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The Brawl that Wasn’t

A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

Mark Twain

Sometime a bit over a year ago, I came across an article describing a big brawl that occurred in, of all places, Murmansk, way north in Russia. The story, in the Daily Caller, by one Jacob Boesson, is entitled: Refugees Go Clubbing In Russia, Harass Girls, Wake Up In Hospital The Next Morning. The story is dated February 4, 2016, but the events described would have taken place on the previous weekend, on Friday 29 January.

A group of 51 refugees were brutally assaulted outside a night club in Murmansk, Russia, after they groped and molested women at a night club Saturday.

The story goes on to claim that some of the refugees, eighteen of them, were beaten so badly that they were hospitalized. Well, I read a lot of stuff on any given day, both in the mainstream and alternative media, and I increasingly have a pretty skeptical attitude towards most of it. I was aware from the start that this story gave off a funny smell. The article contains no photographs or video of the (alleged) event and also does not reference any of the Russian news media, which would presumably have been the first ones to report the incident.

Just for starters, let’s consider the setting: Murmansk, Russia. Here:

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A bit of googling confirmed a suspicion that I already held: Murmansk is an extremely cold place — especially in January, especially at night, and especially for somebody who is from a Mediterranean country. Perhaps that alone is not an utterly decisive consideration, but I already had some difficulty visualizing this story. Seeing just how insanely cold Murmansk would be for a Middle Easterner, I just figure that if they had some warm place to stay, they would not venture outside. But no, they all decide to go out and do some “clubbing”. Well, who knows? Maybe they all had arctic parkas that they bought in the Damascus Souq before embarking on their journey north.

So there they were, fifty-one Arab refugees in a nightclub in the tropical paradise of Murmansk, Russia. One would think that this is already such an odd sight that somebody would have pulled out their phone and snapped some photos to share on social media, but apparently not. So we have to visualize it. I guess, if pressed, we could imagine some fifty-one Middle Easterners, variants on Sacha Baron-Cohen’s Borat character, all hoping to score some “sexy time” with a local babe — utterly convinced that their dark, handsome looks make them irresistible to Nordic women. And of course, it does not occur to any of them that their inability to speak a single word of Russian will be any obstacle!

For all my doubts about this story, it was not until some months after it came out in the Western media that it occurred to me to look for it in the Russian media. I had been studying Russian for several years for personal reasons but it did not occur to me immediately to check Russian language sources. So finally, I looked at Yandex News, Yandex being the Russian equivalent of Google. I quickly came across some references to the event in Russian, but noticed that they all used the Western articles as their information source for an event that had presumably happened in their own country! Eventually, I came across this article from a Russian News Agency, Flashnord: В МУРМАНСКОЙ ПОЛИЦИИ ЗАВЕРЯЮТ, ЧТО ДРАКИ С БЕЖЕНЦАМИ НЕ БЫЛО.

“In the Murmansk region, the police assure that there was no altercation with refugees.”

The key paragraph is the second one in the article:

«Полицейскими опрошены работники заведения, изучены записи с камер внутреннего видеонаблюдения, а также записи с камер видеонаблюдения системы „Безопасный город“. В результате комплекса мероприятий информация не нашла своего подтверждения», — говорится в сообщении.

There are several different online translators to run this through and, in no case is the translation anywhere near perfect, but it is good enough for one to verify the basic meaning. Thus, Google Translate provides the following translation:

“The police interviewed the workers of the establishment, studied the recordings from the internal video surveillance cameras, as well as the recordings from the CCTV cameras of the” Safe City “system. As a result of the complex of measures, the information did not find its confirmation,” the message says.

The Russian competitor Yandex Translate generates the following:

“Police interviewed employees of the institution, studied the CCTV internal CCTV and also the CCTV video surveillance system “Safe city”. As a result of complex activities, the information wasn’t confirmed”, — stated in the message.

What this article is saying, in a very dry, matter-of-fact style, is that the local police in the area got wind of this story of the big brawl with refugees and went to investigate. There is some sort of video surveillance system in the establishment called Безопасный город, which means “Safe City”. The cops examined the video surveillance footage and interviewed people who would have been there to see what happened, and they concluded that the whole incident simply never took place.

This article is dated 30 January 2016, one day after the alleged brawl, so clearly the local Russian language news media debunked the story quite quickly.

A day later, on 31 January 2016, there is an article in Komsomolskaya Pravda with a more jocose tone. Thearticleisentitled: “ПРОВЕРКА СЛУХА: В российском Заполярье мигранты приставали к девушкам?” In English: “Rumor Checking: Did Migrants Molest Girls in the Russian Arctic?” And the subtitle is: “Местныетихопобилиарабовзаугломночногоклуба”, i.e. “Locals quietly beat up Arabs in the corner of a nightclub.” (My emphasis.)

Even with my limited Russian language skills, the ironic tone of the article comes through. The subtitle, of course, is sarcastically alluding to the fact that nobody heard or saw any of this, and it does not appear on the CCTV cameras. To be honest, the use of irony and sarcasm by these Russian journalists was mildly surprising to me. I came of age during the Cold War and always thought of the Russians as these dour, humorless people. I don’t know how I got that impression, since, at the time, I had never met any actual Russians. It must have been from Hollywood movies. So, there are many things to take away from this. The brawl did not take place and Russians do have a sense of humor.

This second article includes much more detail than the earlier one. Clearly, the newspaper actually sent somebody to the scene of events to do the fact checking. For example, one of the patrons of the Gandvik nightclub – “Gandvik”, by the way, is the name of the place where this allegedly occurred – is quoted as saying that he was there on Friday night and he did not see any Arabs there. The article provides the man’s full name, Mikhail Arkhagolov.

Another person quoted by name in the article is an employee of Gandvik, one Maxim Tikhonov, who is quoted as saying:

«Полиция бывает сама приезжает без вызова, посмотреть что творится в клубе. В ту ночь в клубе никаких драк я не видел. Не исключаю вариант что кто то плохо себя вел, полиция приехала и забрала. А по поводу что пишут про арабов, их не было в клубе, это точно. »

Here is my own translation:

“The police frequently come to the club without being called, to check out what is going on there. On that night, no fighting took place. I don’t exclude the possibility that somebody behaved badly, and the police came and took the person away. But, as regards what was written about Arabs, there weren’t any in the club, that is certain.”

The article also quotes the local mayor, Maxim Pukhov, by name. Mr. Pukhov, by the way, is not the mayor of Murmansk, but of the town of Polyarnye Zori, which is where Gandvik nightclub is located. Mr. Pukhov is quoted as saying that they received an anonymous phone call telling of the brawl with the refugees, except that, as related already, on investigation, the whole thing turned out to be false.

Stop Making Sense!

Some stories are true that never happened.

Elie Wiesel

”Good grief, Revusky, you’re such a dreadful bore! You’re as bad as that Ronnie Unz with his tedious ‘American Pravda’ shtick! ‘Is this really true?’ …. ‘Is that really what happened?’ How long will it take people like you to realize that nobody cares? Ordinary well-adjusted people in our society do not concern themselves with such trivia!”

“Oh, you mean, trivial little details, like whether something like this really happened or not.”

“Exactly. It’s like Elie said, just because something didn’t exactly happen, doesn’t mean it’s not true!”

“Uhh…. say what?”

“You just don’t get it, Revusky. Look, the story of the manly Russian men beating up those filthy Ay-rabs moved me, in the core of my being. It reflects a profound truth.”

“But it’s bullshit! It didn’t happen!”

“Sheesh, you really are a lost cause, Revusky. You’ll never get it. Whether this exactly happened or not doesn’t matter. That’s for weirdos like you or Unz or the .01% of the population that read articles like this to obsess about… a bunch of geeks and misfits…”

“Hey, there’s no need to insult my readership!”

“You’re right. I’ll just stick to insulting you from here on.”

“Thanks, I appreciate that.”

Though the preceding dialogue is fiction, I think it will ring true to many readers. Been there, done that… Channeling the late Elie Wiesel, we could say that the above conversation didn’t literally happen but it is true nonetheless! It is satirical, I suppose, but it doesn’t even exaggerate the situation that much. In my own experience, people really will tell you pretty much openly that they believe things because it gives them emotional satisfaction to believe them.

So, however infuriating, my obnoxious, fictitious interlocutor has got a point. People fall for these sorts of synthetic narratives because the story resonates with them on some emotional level. Once one understands this, it really should come as no surprise that this fake news story of the big brawl in the Russian Arctic went viral; it entered a sort of right-wing, deeply racist, Islamophobic echo chamber and became a “fact” for very many people. It is not very hard to demonstrate that the whole thing never happened, but that really just does not seem to matter one whole hell of a lot.

The MRA Synthetic Narrative: The Muslim Rape Army is Comin’ to Getcha!

Yo! There’s no place to hide once we step inside da room… ♫
Da M.R.A. ain’t nuttin’ ta fuk wit’, da M.R.A. ain’t nuttin’ ta fuk wit’ …♫

This whole Battle of Murmansk story, in which the manly men of Russia delivered a decisive defeat to the Muslim molesters, is pretty obviously part of some larger synthetic narrative that was already rolled out earlier. Let us call this the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, or MRA for short. It really got going some weeks before, on New Year’s Eve, in Cologne, Germany. There, the Muslim Rape Army had gone unopposed because of the testicular deficiency of the German metrosexual girlie-men, who stood by while the MRA had their way with the local German girls, hundreds of them apparently. Somehow hundreds of young women were sexually assaulted in a wide open public space without anybody getting any clear video or photos of it.

Now, I have been increasingly converging on the view that, when it comes to examining whatever synthetic narrative, the natural starting point in one’s analysis is timeline. Typically, it is of great interest to track how a story evolved over time, when the various memes were introduced. For instance, precisely how long did it take, after the attacks of 9/11, for the entire Western media to be treating the guilt of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda as an absolute certainty? How much evidence for this existed at that point in time?

Also, there is the question of preparing the terrain, i.e. prefiguration. The GWOT narrative was certainly prefigured well in advance, but 9/11 was really when it was rolled out for prime time. So, it could well be worth examining when the Western media started hyping this bogeyman Bin Laden character as some great terrorist mastermind. Or what about the Afghanistan angle? When exactly did the whole subnarrative about the Taliban get introduced into the story? And what about Saddam Hussein? When did they start talking about him in conjunction with the whole terrorism issue? These are questions you could ask when trying to examine this whole Global War on Terror (GWOT) synthetic narrative, how certain things became so firmly established in the public mind – things for which there really was never an iota of proof.

Some More Arctic Drilling

When I revisited this particular Arctic saga recently, looking at the timeline more closely, the first thing that struck me about it was just how quickly the story was debunked – I mean, at the local level, in the Murmansk region. It was never more than an unsubstantiated rumor anyway, but certainly, within 48 hours of the alleged event, anybody who looked at the local area Russian language news would see very quickly that this had never happened.

Now, obviously, the reason that the story was debunked so quickly was because all of the local people involved did exactly what you would expect responsible adults to do in a sane, honest society. The local cops, on hearing this rumor, looked for some actual proof that the alleged incident had occurred. (Wow, dude! Proof! What a concept!) So they looked at the security camera footage, they interviewed people… Of course, there was no proof of any of it, because, as we know, it didn’t happen. So, just a day after the alleged event, the Flashnord news agency corrected their earlier report, and said that the incident never happened. That was on 30 January, and on 31 January, there was the more comprehensive Komsomolskaya Pravda article. That article was pretty damned comprehensive: not only was there no brawl with Arabs in Gandvik nightclub, but it’s pretty clear that there weren’t even any Arabs there! (Maybe the local lads were quietly shadow boxing in the corner with some imaginary Arabs…)

Well, on reflection, I suppose it’s not really that noteworthy that the relevant local people simply did their jobs and thus quashed the fake news story almost immediately. No, what actually is noteworthy is that the local people did their jobs AND it made absolutely no difference! As per Mark Twain, this particular piece of bullshit sprouted wings and flew around the world. And this happened well after the story was comprehensively debunked. The Daily Caller article is from 4 February. Russia Insider, which bills itself as “Your daily reality snack” picked up the story a few days after that, on 7 February – a full week after the local Russian media had thoroughly debunked the rumor. Now, I would say, in particular, that a site called “Russia Insider” that has a mailing address in Moscow really has no business being taken in by something like this. But regardless, it’s all over the place. The story is mirrored in practically any language you look for it. I’ve found it in Spanish, French, German…

The Miracle of the Multiplication of the Muslims (MMM)

Bam! Aw man! We slam! We jam! We scream like Tah-zan!
Da M.R.A. ain’t nuttin’ ta fuk wit’, da M.R.A. ain’t nuttin’ ta fuk wit’ … ♫

Another aspect that I failed to notice the first time I looked at this is the way the story changed from the initial rumor to when it went viral in the Western alt-media – namely, the magical multiplication of the Muslims, MMM for short. The initial rumor that was reported at the end of January did not involve 50+ Muslims, but a smaller number: five. That appeared in English on the Fort-Russ website on 30 January. That is simply the translation of an article in Russian that had appeared on the Flashnord website. Here is some key text:

Several refugees from Arab countries were beaten in the middle of the night of Saturday in the city of Polyarnye Zori (Murmansk oblast), reported a FlashNord source in the law enforcement bodies of the region.

The incident occurred in the nightclub Gandvik.

“According to preliminary data, five refugees were beaten in the entertainment establishment. According to witnesses, they behaved insolently and had been pestering local girls,” — said the Agency’s interlocutor.

For the sake of completeness, I should point out that the above translation, from the Fort-Russ website, contains a significant translation error. The text saying “five refugees” were beaten was mistranslated. It should be “up to five refugees”. The original Russian is “допяти”, which means “up to five” or it could be also be translated as “five or fewer”. I have mixed feelings about harping on this. I used to do translation work (though never from Russian) and I know how easy it is to make mistakes. Still, it seems like a pretty sloppy mistake. “Five or fewer” is not the same as “five”. It doesn’t matter much because the really glaring question is how the hell the story went from five refugees to fifty-one! The stories that went viral a week after this all claimed that 51 (surprisingly precise number) Arabs were beaten up. Also, 18 were hospitalized. (It is quite a feat of fisticuffs to beat up five Arabs and cause 18 of them to be hospitalized!)

More typical Revusky nitpicking! Five, fifty, eighteen…. What’s the difference anyway? When you go on about this stuff, people’s eyes glaze over!”

Well, you’re right in a way. It doesn’t make any difference. The true number is ZERO! Zero Arabs were there in the first place. Zero were beaten up and zero were hospitalized!”

Okay, well, zero is a number too, after all….”

I think it is instructive to drill down into the details. The mistranslation of “up to five” as simply five is sloppy, but it’s easy enough to see how it happened, and we should attribute it to honest error. But how did the five Arabs then turn into fifty-one? How could that be an honest mistake?

My own theory is that the people who decided to push this story may have honestly believed that the story of five Arabs getting beaten up was true, but they also figured that five is really just too chickenshit a number. So it was like: what the heck, let’s say fifty instead. Well, it’s like padding an expense account. If there aren’t really any controls in place and nobody is going to call you on it, then…. But then the problem is that, just as with the padded expense account, if the numbers are too round, it looks suspicious, and that would be why they adjusted fifty up to fifty-one.

That’s my theory of how they got from five to fifty-one. As for how they got the figure of 18 Arabs hospitalized, well, I actually have a separate, independent theory for that: whoever it was pulled it out of his ass. (Well, never mind. If worse comes to worst, maybe they can get laws passed in the various Western countries making it a crime to question any of these numbers.)

Geography is a Bitch

Another aspect of this story that I missed the first time round was the way the alleged scene of the event shifted. The reason this occurred, to put it bluntly, was because of a complete lack of people doing the most basic homework. I shall explain…

The Daily Caller and most of the other new sources (using the term loosely) that reported on this refer to the event having happened simply in “Murmansk” or “Murmansk, Russia”, which anybody would parse as meaning the city of Murmansk. But the original rumor (which also alleged 5 refugees being beaten up as opposed to 51) was about an event alleged to have occurred in Gandvik Nightclub, which is not in the city of Murmansk (population 300,000) but in Polyarnye Zori, a much smaller city (population 15,000) that lies 224 km (139 miles) to the south. The confusion arises from the fact that Polyarnye Zori is still in the administrative region of Murmansk, i.e. Murmansk Oblast.

In any case, make no mistake; this is no nitpicking, trivial detail. The distinction here is just about perfectly analogous to the difference between New York City and New York State. (Coincidentally, Murmansk Oblast is almost exactly the same size as New York State, about 2% larger.) So, it’s as if somebody, reporting on an event alleged to have happened in some small town in upstate New York, then reported it as having happened in New York City, because he doesn’t know the difference! Granted, that’s understandable in a way. Until quite recently, I certainly did not know the difference between the port city of Murmansk and the overall region,Murmansk Oblast. But now I do know. Why is that? Because I looked it up! I guess I’m kind of old school in that way. I think that if you are going to write about stuff like this, and be even halfway credible, you really have to have your shit together on these sorts of basic facts.

You see, also, we are at a stage in history where there really is no excuse. It is so easy to get these things right with a quick google search that, when people get these kinds of very basic things wrong, it is bound to be a red flag. So, if somebody writes about something in Canada and clearly has never figured out the difference between the city of Quebec and the province of Quebec, or the person confuses the city of Vancouver with Vancouver Island, what does this tell you? Maybe it is not absolutely determinate, but if somebody is so careless as to get things like that wrong, it really makes little sense to take that person seriously as an information source.

Taking the Virtual Tour

At this stage of the exposition, it is long established, at about a 1000% level of certainty, that nothing happened in Gandvik Nightclub on 29 January 2016; it is a constructed fiction, a synthetic event. Still, one can take an interest in the setting of a fictional event. For example, countless Sherlock Holmes fans have visited 221 Baker Street in London to see where the great detective shared accommodation with Dr. John Watson, his great friend and straight man. This is not so crazy really, because even though Holmes and Watson are fictitious individuals, the Victorian London of the stories is a real place, or based on a real place anyway.

Gandvik nightclub, in the town of Polyarnye Zori, is also a real place. It is where this more recent fiction, the Great Battle of Murmansk, is set. It can be instructive to look at the setting of the story because a synthetic narrative will typically have some little bits of truth to it. This was what I was getting at in my first article on the Unz Review, where I coined the term Roger Rabbit Narrative. The Roger Rabbit movie is not a straight animation in which everything on the screen is a cartoon. Cartoon elements co-exist on the screen with real people and objects.

After a bit of research, I did conclude that some Arab refugees have passed through the town of Polyarnye Zori. On investigation, it is something of a transit hub. It lies right along the Moscow-Murmansk highway and also has a train station, with connections to both Moscow (28 hours) and St. Petersburg (23 hours). I saw all of this courtesy of Google Maps, and I also see that if one were to drive 20 hours north from Moscow, one could hang a left there and head west towards Finland or Norway. Also, I have come across articles that describe how some Syrian refugees really have taken this circuitous backdoor route into Europe, via the Russian Far North, and thus, they probably really did pass through Polyarnye Zori, this town founded in Soviet times that straddles the Arctic Circle. I assume that this rather sad story really did happen, but, unlike the Battle of Murmansk, received little attention. As I said at the beginning, it is pretty cold up there in January and somebody from a warm country who found himself there would probably not think about going out partying.

The little town of Polyarnye Zori started to intrigue me and I was wondering what the place is like. Well, a picture tells a thousand words. At first blush, it does seem to be a rather grim looking place. It is a compact little town, though I suspect that people could still get lost amidst the monotonous Soviet architecture, which I guess is why the authorities have put out a handy little map, which I found online:

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This should allow us to get the lay of the land. Armed with the above map, let us go on a little virtual tour, shall we? We can stroll around (virtually) and end up at the notorious “Gandvik” night club, the scene of the alleged events.

Scanning down the list of numbered locations on the map…. locations 1, 2, and 3 are bank branches. Makes sense. Anybody passing through might want to find an ATM. Location 4 is the aforementioned train station. Now things get a bit interesting. Location 5 is the Lyokha Cafe-Bar. Well, that’s not Gandvik. But, not to worry. It’s there! The Gandvik bar is location 22 on the map. Maybe Polynarnye Zori is not so bad; it has two bars, two restaurants (locations 8 and 9), three hotels (locations 10, 11, and 12), a Post Office (location 14), two pharmacies (locations 15 and 16). Location 20 is a church (right on the other side of town from Gandvik bar) and location 21 is a supermarket. There is a movie house (location 13) and a post office (location 14) too. Location 6 is a gym/fitness center and 17 is the public swimming pool, which I assume is indoor and heated. Location 19 is the skating rink. So, the town has most everything people need, I suppose, all within walking distance.

Locations A, B, and C on the map are the fire station, militia, and some sort of first aid clinic respectively. I guess the latter is where the 18 refugees in need of medical attention after the brawl would have been taken — assuming anything had actually happened, that is.

But anyway, the focal point of the story is the Gandvik Nightclub. It looks like it’s right next to one of the hotels, Gostinitza Zori, which is number 12 on the map. I’m pretty sure that this hotel and the nightclub are really basically the same business. Given how far north this is, I would bet (though I am not sure) that one could go between locations 12, 22, and 21 (the supermarket) without venturing outdoors.

Despite being located in a grim, freezing cold, Soviet planned city, the Gandvik Night Club looks like a rather gay place actually. (I mean “gay” in the traditional sense, before the word got hijacked.) The establishment has a VKontakte page. (VKontakte is the Russian equivalent of Facebook.) The page’s heading reads: “У нас самые весёлые вечеринки в городе, самая яркая и зажигательная музыка от лучших диджеев, с нами не соскучишься!))”

“We have the most fun parties in town, the most stimulating and provocative music from the best DJ’s, with us you won’t be bored!”

Revuski-1-3 On Gandvik’s VKontakte page, one can see some of the posters they have put out that advertise some of the various thematic parties at Gandvik. On 20 February 2016, not too long after the date of the alleged brawl with the refugees, Gandvik had a military themed party:

It was billed as “самая мужская ночь в году!”, the most manly or macho night of the year! I suppose the Russians could be sincerely celebrating their manliness and martial spirit, but truth told, the whole thing has a rather tongue-in-cheek or even campy feel about it.

“Look, this just goes to show that you don’t get it, Revusky. You never do. You see, when you’re as manly as these Russian dudes are, you can kid around about it, it’s no big deal.”

Uh yeah… okay…”

So, what else? It’s 200 Rubles (currently about $3.35 USD) cover charge but girls get in for free before midnight.

Revuski-1-4 The week before that they had a “Love Party” with a Valentine’s Day theme.

It’s striking how much English the Gandvik club puts on their posters, in a place where most ordinary people would not really know that much English, would they? That’s hardly unique to Russia, of course. Doubtless, people the world over think that using English gives off an impression of cosmopolitan sophistication.

“What you don’t understand, Revusky, is that inside every one of those Russky bastards, there’s an American trying to get out!”

Oh, maybe that’s it…”

Again, at the bottom, it says 200 Rubles entry, which must be the standard cover charge, and girls get in free until midnight. (That information, like anything they really want their customers to understand, is in Russian.)

The Love Party that coincides with Valentine’s Day seems to be a yearly event. One of the photo albums on their Vkontakte site is devoted to the 2014 edition. The scenes are pretty mundane. Here are some of these Russians gettin’ down on the dance floor:

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Photos like this look rather unexceptional and could just be a photo of young people having a good time anywhere in Europe. (Of course, that is because it was taken earlier in the evening, before the bar’s regular patrons all transform into vampires.)

You know, looking at this, I couldn’t help but think that if these people had just a bit of Negro genetic admixture, they might have some better dance moves.

“Ha! You like takin’ chances, dontcha, Revusky?”

“Oh, never mind, I just said that to see if you were still awake…”

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I can only imagine what Polyarnye Zori was like in Soviet times, but nowadays it does not seem to be a particularly prudish place. Gandvik sometimes has some rather raunchier themed parties. For example, they seem to have held a Playboy themed party in which girls played at being Playboy bunnies.

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So there you have it. I trust that the White Nationalists reading this all have a lump in their throat by now. It is surely instructive to take a more up-close look at the scene of the events. We really see what is at stake. If not for those manly menfolk who defended their women’s honor against those marauding Muslim maniacs….

“Proud WHITE men, dammit! Defending the very flower of white womanhood!”
“Exactly! Facing down those stinking swarthy savages…”

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In this photo taken at the same event, we see some of the men in the background. Surely they are among those chivalrous men who defended their women’s virtue against those who would have defiled, degraded, and dishonored them.

“Uhh, aren’t you laying it on a bit thick now, Revusky? What’s next? Bayoneting Belgian babies?”

“Hey, this is MY article! Why don’t you write your own damned article?!”

The World in Front of One’s Nose

To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.

George Orwell, 1946

Increasingly, the entire world is in front of one’s nose.

Jonathan Revusky, 2017

I think everybody knows what I mean here. The convergence of various technological developments – video cameras in everybody’s pocket, mobile internet, social media… – has created a situation where one can see much of the world as if it was in front of one’s nose. I am hardly convinced that this is an unambiguously good thing, but, like any phenomenon, it does have its good side: it can be a very powerful tool in terms of helping one see through bullshit.

You will recall the miracle of the multiplication of the Muslims. (Praise the Lawd!) First they say five (or up to five) Muslims got beaten up and then it somehow jumps to 51. That, in itself, is telling, but consider the fact that it is so easy to find photographs of the place where this allegedly occurred. Now, I find it hard to precisely judge the size of the premises from the photos, because most of the photos on social media focus on the people and don’t pan out to the entire establishment. However, my sense of things, judging from the photos, is that 51 Arabs do not fit in Gandvik nightclub.

Or maybe they do, just barely. I asked a few people to look at various photos and tell me what the maximum capacity of the place is, just guessing roughly. I think the consensus is that fifty is about the upper bound. So, maybe 51 Arabs fit in Gandvik nightclub but there wouldn’t be any space left for anybody else! And then the problem is that, for the entire incident to occur, at least after the miracle of the multiplication of the Muslims (Hallelujah!) you need your 51 Arabs, probably at least as many manly Russian men, and then you also need some of the flower of white womanhood in there to get their pussies grabbed or whatever, and set off the whole incident. So you need well over 100 people in there. Judging from the available photos of Gandvik nightclub. I suspect that the place would most likely end up looking like this:

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I mean to say, it stands to reason that the people who effected the miracle of the multiplication of the Muslims (Allahu Akhbar!) never looked at a photo of where this allegedly happened. Of course, the local cops knew the place intimately, but they were checking out a story in which five (or really, up to five) people got beaten up. If somebody had called them anonymously and said that 51 Arabs were beaten up in this place, the cops, who regularly visit the place, would probably just laugh, because they know that 51 Arabs don’t fit in the place, and furthermore, would also know, from hotel registrations, exactly how many Arabs were currently in the town. It seems highly unlikely that there were even 51 Arabs in Polyarnye Zori in late January!

On the other hand, the original story of five Arabs getting beaten up, from their point of view, could have been true. So they did have to go investigate it.

The important lesson here is not about this event (or non-event) specifically. You see, the world being effectively in front of one’s nose is a game changer. If this were 1987, say, and they told us that 500 Arabs were in Gandvik nightclub, we could even believe that! A few of us might suspect that it is nonsense, but we would still be unable to decisively debunk the story as we can now – instantly, with a quick image search on the internet.

So, the world has changed and this has very real implications that we must ponder. Moreover, the world has changed but the modus operandi of the people behind these synthetic events and narratives has not changed very much; it is still very 20th century, based on 20th century assumptions about people’s access to information. There is a real disturbance in the Matrix and it will be very interesting to see how this plays out over the coming years.

The Culture of Bullshit

The bullshitter (…) does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.

Professor Harry Frankfurt, from “On Bullshit”

In 2005, a surprise bestseller was “On Bullshit”, by Professor Harry Frankfurt, of the philosophy department of Princeton University. It was actually the republication in book form of an essay he had written in 1986, an attempt to explore the phenomenon of “bullshit” in a more rigorous, intellectual way than is customary. The book lasted 27 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list and the author had his Warholian fifteen minutes of fame, being interviewed on Jon Stewart’s Daily Show. Clearly, it did strike some nerve; people had a sense that bullshit was an important topic. Only some people, I suppose. It only takes a small percentage of the population to turn a book into a bestseller; after all, most people do not even read any books at all. Like the proverbial frog that never realizes that it is being boiled alive because the change is gradual, most people would also not realize that their entire society is being gradually smothered in bullshit.

If all of the articles I have published on this website were bundled together in book form, “On Bullshit” would also be an appropriate title. The concepts introduced in these essays all revolve around bullshit. I coined the term High IQ Idiot, HIQI, to refer to the people who, regardless of how high an IQ they possess, are just incapable of seeing through all the bullshit that pervades society. Terms such as “synthetic narrative” or “Roger Rabbit narrative” could, for the most part, be replaced by “bullshit” with little to no loss of meaning. Taboo-Induced tortuous theorizing, or TITT for short, is a certain kind of bullshit, that comes into existence because the correct explanation is a taboo.

Now, in my honest opinion, the Frankfurt book leaves quite a bit to be desired. It is too ivory tower; the author does not really get his hands dirty in the topic. He never does, for example, what I have done here and in some earlier writing, which is to take one concrete piece of horrendous bullshit and carefully analyze it; his writing always stays at a rather abstract level. However, he does make an interesting distinction, between lying and bullshitting. To lie is to know the truth but, for the sake of expediency (or occasionally just for the sheer pleasure of it) to say something other than the truth. To bullshit involves an indifference to truth itself. The good professor goes on to argue that bullshitting is ultimately more insidious, more harmful to society, than lying.

Professor Frankfurt wrote a follow-up book in 2006, entitled “On Truth”, that did not replicate the success of “On Bullshit”. I did not read that, but according to the various reviews, it makes a careful academic philosophical sort of argument for why the truth matters – or in effect, why our society should really try to do something about all the pervasive bullshit. He apparently even says that the disregard for objective truth (i.e. the culture of bullshit) has a tendency to drive people insane.

Fellas, I plead with you. You’re going too far. It’s getting dangerous. All of the bullshit is finally making the goyim meshuga! Oy vey!

My sense of things is that what is noteworthy about this second book is probably not so much anything it says, but that the author feels a need to write it in the first place. In a sane, healthy society, do people really need high-powered philosophical arguments to convince them that the truth matters? Do the local cops in Polyarnye Zori up in the Russian Arctic need some Princeton guy to explain to them why it is important to establish whether the brawl in the nightclub really occurred? I think not. Surely, in a healthy society, that the objective truth matters is axiomatic.

Now, getting back to Harry Frankfurt’s distinction between lying and bullshitting, finally my sense is that the distinction is interesting but also can be blurry in some cases. The story of the brawl in the Russian Arctic begins with people lying. At the very origins of the whole thing, there are people who know perfectly well that it never happened who get the story going. However, after that, when the story goes viral, most of the people propagating the story are not really lying so much as bullshitting. For example, when the Daily Caller reports the event happening in the city of Murmansk, when the original story is a much smaller town in the Murmansk region, this is symptomatic of a culture of bullshitting. It is so easy to get details like this right nowadays, that when they get it wrong, and it is never corrected, it tells you something about the culture from which this whole thing emerges. It is a culture in which there are no particular consequences or stigma to getting very basic things wrong.

Of course, if these people had a culture of being careful about facts, they would have done enough minimal checking to realize that the story wasn’t true in the first place. This is especially true of sites like Russia Insider or Fort Russ, where a large part of the staff are Russians or know Russian. I think the thing to take away from this is that the lying is enabled by the bullshitting. A liar consciously puts out a lie and then all the bullshitters propagate it because of their indifference to factual truth, the culture of bullshit. Otherwise, the lie would be stopped quickly in its tracks.

Towards a Taxonomy of Bullshit

So what begins as a deliberate lie becomes propagated and morphs into bullshit. To be more precise, it becomes first-order bullshit. What then happens, at least sometimes, is that this then spawns higher-order bullshit. Here is a concrete example. The website Russia Insider echoed the fake news story about the Grand Battle of Murmansk on 7 February 2016 and we see at the top of the article now:

For an excellent, thought-provoking essay on this issue, see our article which appeared a few days after this one: Russians Bewildered by Cologne Rapes: ‘Where Were the German Men?!’

This linked article, contrasting the behavior of the manly Russian men in Gandvik nightclub with the girlie men in Cologne, Germany, was written by one Alexander Maistrovoy, a Russian Jewish émigré author. I believe he is a Zionist Jew who currently resides in Israel, but grew up in Russia and would thus speak Russian as his first language. In this article, Mr. Maistrovoy informs us that “postmodern cultural totalitarianism has changed the very nature of man”. (Wow! That’s some profound shit!) Of course, he means in the West, not in Mother Russia, where the men are still men, as evidenced by this Glorious Battle of Murmansk.

Well, since the event in question simply never happened, i.e. is bullshit, that means that any such grand philosophical/cultural analysis of said event is also necessarily bullshit. However, it is a different sort of bullshit. If, as per Professor Frankfurt, we’re going to get serious about understanding bullshit, it looks like we need a whole taxonomy. The original fake news story, we could say that is first-order bullshit, while something like Mr. Maistrovoy’s analysis of how “postmodern cultural totalitarianism” is altering the “very nature of man” – this is derivative or higher-order bullshit, which is what you end up with when you build a whole analysis based on bullshit fake news events.

This is bullshitting with more intellectual pretensions. I suppose you could say that the people who engage in this, sometimes even making a life’s work of it, are higher up on the food chain of the bullshit ecosystem, but it’s all part of a whole, this overall culture of bullshit.

Ron Unz is a Prophet and a Man of God

An interesting thought occurred to me recently about miracles. The supernatural events in sacred writings, like the Bible, all occur in a far-off mythical past. Suppose you were to create a new synthetic religion based on events that (supposedly) occurred very recently. Just for fun, we could say this religion, Unzianity, claims that Ron Unz shook a stick and the sea parted. And this happened, not in ancient times, but some time last year, let’s say. It occurred to me that this new religion would effectively be demanding belief in, not one, but two miracles:

  1. The event itself, the parting of the sea in this case.
  2. That absolutely nobody managed to get it on camera!

I suppose the first miracle is still the higher order one, since it involves a suspension of the laws of physics. However, the second miracle is also quite a tall order in itself. Surely it is impossible, to all intents and purposes, for an extraordinary event of such a scale to occur in the current-day world without people whipping out their smartphones and photographing it or catching it on video. In turn, many would upload the photos and video to Facebook or their blogs…

Well, truth be told, people don’t exactly need Ron Unz to part the sea or any other such earthshattering event, in order to whip out their cameras and take a selfie. They post pictures of any mundane scene – birthday parties, baby pictures, a successfully baked chocolate cake… Not everybody does this, of course, but there are enough people recording every banal detail of their lives that there is a vast photographic record of all sorts of things, and an awful lot of it is publicly visible. So there is nothing extraordinary about my ability to dig up photos of young people partying in Gandvik nightclub. In fact, it would be very surprising if one could not do so. Heck, it might even be a latter-day miracle!

Revusky’s Razor

Above, I made a point of analyzing to death the fake news story in the Russian Arctic. To be clear, it’s not that this story, in itself, is so important as to deserve this level of attention. In practice, we are so inundated with this kind of bullshit that it is not feasible to devote this level of detailed attention to each one. The point of analyzing one very deeply is that we can really use it as a launching point to discuss more general concepts.

Moreover, I don’t think an astute person should need this level of analysis to classify this as a synthetic event. There are really two dead giveaways right from the start:

  • The cartoonish nature of the whole thing.
  • The complete lack of any visuals, i.e. photographic or video evidence.

Using terminology from earlier articles, the whole thing is an RRN, a Roger Rabbit narrative. The Arabs who can’t keep their hands off the local girls and the manly Russian men are all cartoon characters. The violence in the story is cartoon violence. I found it a bit disturbing that we are invited to chuckle at the story of 18 men being beaten so badly they are hospitalized. In a sane world, that is no laughing matter. One could get indignant about this, but then, on the other hand, once you think that it’s really just cartoon characters, why get worked up? After all, we know that none of this ever happened.

A person with a sufficiently high BDQ (Bullshit Detection Quotient) can sense that this is a cartoon, but if all you’ve got is IQ but practically no BDQ – i.e. unfortunately, you are a HIQI – then you need something else to see through it. And that is the second point above, the complete lack of visuals. Do you really think that 51 lecherous Arabs and an equal number of chivalrous Russian men, over a hundred people, can get in a broken down fight like this and absolutely nobody takes a photo or films it? People take photos and film one another blowing out the candles on a birthday cake and nobody is going to film this? C’mon.

In any case, if our goal is to kill Roger Rabbit, I think we have the perfect murder weapon.

Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

There are caveats, but they should be fairly obvious. This only applies to fairly recent events, the last so many years. We have only recently reached the point where just about everybody has a digital video camera in his or her pocket, typically in the form of a smartphone. Also, the penetration of the various electronic gadgets has not been uniform. Obviously, people had them in the richer countries earlier. But my sense is that, when it comes to very recent events, the last couple of years, Revusky’s Razor applies pretty strongly just about anywhere. A friend of mine married a lady from Ethiopia and it came up in conversation that all her relatives in Ethiopia have smartphones and send her photos on WhatsApp and so forth. I initially inferred that her family were all part of the privileged class of people in Ethiopia, but no, not at all. Some of her family are poor people, living in shacks more or less. Yet they still can whip out their Chinese-made knock-off smartphones and take photos or even half-decent video! It really has reached this point.

I initially thought that Revusky’s Razor was just a corollary of Ockham’s Razor, as in: the simplest explanation of the lack of visuals is always going to be that the event never happened. So, by Ockham, that will be the preferred explanation. But actually, I’m going further than Ockham in this case. I’m not saying that the event not having happened is the simpler explanation and thus preferable. No, I’m saying that, at the current stage of history, it is the only explanation.

In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t.

Bullshit is Bipartisan

When I wrote my first contribution to the Unz Review, in which I defined the term HIQI, i.e. High IQ Idiot, Barack Obama was still President. Though I never really thought that HIQI-ness was a left-right issue, probably at that time, my own mental image of the archetypal HIQI would have been a “progressive” Obama supporter. Here we were, after seven years of this disgusting puppet, this Wall Street shill, and these Obama fans were still talking like this was our President and so on. I remember writing private emails to various people, in which I ranted bitterly about this pathetic, desperate need to delude themselves that is so characteristic of left/progressive types.

Of course, as I write these lines, Obama has gone off to his golden (more like platinum…) retirement, and is now receiving his payoff for his 8 years of dedicated service to the banksters. We have a new president, Mr. Trump, and we can see the very same compulsive self-delusion, except now on the political right. This guy is our president, he’s working for us…

Upton Sinclair famously said: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” In other words, people become invested in believing whatever bullshit. He meant they become financially invested in it, i.e. their daily bread depends upon it; their very career is built on it. That is quite real, but I am sure it goes quite beyond that too. People, like in the case of the die-hard Obama supporters, become emotionally invested in whatever bullshit narrative.

I enjoy eating chocolate but I don’t need it the way an alcoholic needs a drink. Now, I could talk jokingly about craving chocolate and needing my “fix” but we know it’s nothing like the craving of a heroin junkie. By the same token, it isn’t just that these people believe whatever bullshit; they have a deep need to believe it. Increasingly, I perceive this as something that is somehow inculcated by society, system, Matrix, whatever you want to call it. This is the real essence of HIQI-ness.

I do not fully understand how all this works by any means, mind you, but it is surely a key phenomenon to understand if one wants to fathom this pervasive culture of bullshit. Somehow the propaganda system cultivates and then taps into this desperate need people have to delude themselves. I earlier mentioned Harry Frankfurt’s essay, “On Bullshit”. Doubtless, Professor Frankfurt is an intelligent man and his heart is in the right place, so he perceives the problem to a large extent. Still, as far as I can see, he does not possess anything like the analytical toolset needed to get very far with the topic.

A serious study of bullshit – bullshitology, if you will – would probably require an interdisciplinary approach, leveraging concepts and knowledge from various fields. There are very basic concepts in psychology, such as cognitive dissonance, that operate heavily. This relates to what George Orwell was getting at when he introduced the term doublethink in Nineteen Eighty-Four. Also, projection: people can be acutely aware of their own faults when they are manifested in other people, yet do not see it in themselves. So, a very prominent liberal/progressive figure like Michael Moore, and his followers, can see (accurately) right-wing Republican bullshit for what it is. Likewise, those very same right-wing Republicans also perceive (accurately) that Michael Moore is largely full of shit. However, neither side of the (largely synthetic) political divide perceives themselves as compulsive, chronic bullshitters. Of course not, that’s always the other side.

Continually, there is the false dichotomy that if you don’t believe whatever bullshit from one side, that you must therefore believe the other side’s bullshit. So, for example, when I make no bones about the fact that the MRA narrative is total bullshit, i.e. there is no Muslim Rape Army, I anticipate that people will then simply assume that I believe in “multiculturalism” and “diversity” and so on. No, not really. In fact, I am somebody who is increasingly sympathetic to the ethno-nationalist position. Certainly, I believe it would be greatly preferable if countries in Europe remain demographically dominated by their founding peoples. I also have little doubt that the left/progressive Germans who are so welcoming of mass immigration are vastly underestimating the cost that it will impose on German society.

While the left progressives are (as usual) deluding themselves, the hysterical, apocalyptic rhetoric of some of the ethno-nationalists is probably even more unhinged from objective reality. Countries like Germany or Sweden are in no real danger of becoming Somalia and I think sane people really know that, so the over-the-top rhetoric probably is counter-productive. The people engaging in that come across as cranks – I suppose that’s mostly because that is what they are.

I sympathize with the ethno-nationalist viewpoint, but the case has to be made honestly. It is simply too self-evident that the MRA is a deranged racist fantasy. I am quite certain that nothing happened in Cologne and there is no Muslim Rape Army. Again, if something had happened, we would have the visuals. And we don’t. It’s that simple.

It’s really a shame. If we didn’t have this culture of pervasive bullshit, the immigration issue could be discussed rationally – discarding all the PC shibboleths, but also without resorting to toxic nonsense about non-existent Muslim rape armies.

What is to be Done?

Imagine there’s no bullshit… ♫
It’s easy if you try… ♫

A lot of political activism is based on the idea that if you could get the other side to stop believing in their bullshit and believe in your bullshit, that the world could then become a much better place. So, the left-wing activist thinks: if only the right-wingers would stop believing in their horrendous right-wing bullshit, and the right-winger reasons the same way in reverse. Increasingly, I tend to think that this is hopeless: my sense is that the only path of meaningful change would be for both sides to stop believing in ALL of the bullshit!

Another way of expressing this is that what is needed is not for the right-wing HIQI to move towards the left and become a more left-wing HIQI, or vice versa. No, what is needed is for people to stop being HIQIs!

At the roots of Western civilization, we have this thing called the Athenian dialectic, which is the idea that opposing viewpoints can meet and debate and, by this process, you converge towards the truth. Our legal system seems to be based on this, which is why we have the prosecution and the defense in a trial and so on. I assume that the two-party “democratic” system is based on the same sort of theory. However, I am quite certain that this theory of the dialectic is based, just for starters, on the assumption that both sides are intellectually honest!

Now, frankly, I don’t see any guarantee that the Athenian dialectic always works even under ideal conditions, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out any rational reason to believe that it can work in a culture of bullshit! In fact, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t. Just as two wrongs do not make a right, confronting left-wing bullshit with right-wing bullshit does not, by some sort of alchemy, produce truth, or sound public policy either. No, you just end up with a huge stinking mass of bullshit. What you end up with is the Monty Python argument shop skit.

Now, as for my adaptation of the sappy John Lennon lyric above, no, it is not easy to imagine a world with no bullshit, no matter how hard you try. It seems to be part of the human condition. But it seems to me that the only real vector of improvement from the current dire straits we are in is to work towards a world with significantly less bullshit. More specifically, to counter the culture of bullshit, we need to foster an intellectual culture, or environment, that is much more bullshit-averse.

That, on its own, would not directly solve any concrete problem, but if we don’t address this very basic problem of all the bullshit, we’re pretty helpless. For example, the refugee crisis in Europe, as dramatic as the situation is, is still but a spillover effect from all these endless wars that have now destabilized a large swathe of the planet. I do not presume to understand fully why all this happened, but at least, I do now see more clearly how the the public justification of these wars was foisted off on the general public (i.e. all the HIQIs out there) by means of a series of synthetic events. Of course, one particularly spectacular synthetic event stands out, that of 9/11/2001, when the big overarching Global War on Terror propaganda narrative was rolled out for prime time. Many people are obsessed with 9/11 and one can hardly blame them, but the point still must be made that it is part of a larger whole.

In short, the whole mess was perpetrated or enabled by means of weaponized bullshit. If more and more people could see through all the various propaganda constructs, that would not get us out of the mess we are now in, but it would, for starters, drastically curtail the ability of the people who got us here to pull off any more of these things. And then we might even start being able to extricate ourselves. (Yes, I know that hope is a dangerous thing)

Sometimes it does look hopeless, but I think there is one thing that can give us, the rebels who want to resist the Empire, some hope. The hoaxsters and propagandists are actually in an ever weaker position because they do not have the visuals that correspond to their phony narratives. That was not so much of a problem in the last century, because they had much more control over information. There is now a kind of cottage industry, if you will, that has sprung up, of blogs and YouTube channels, and these people, whenever one of these bullshit things goes down, they carefully analyze the visuals or lack thereof. Now, as with anything, it is a mixed bag; there is not the filter of people having to get whatever professional qualifications to do this work. Independent researchers into these questions that the mainstream won’t touch are largely autodidacts, but many are nonetheless very competent, intelligent people. This is the case going way back, before the Internet, with the JFK research community and so forth. Regardless, these people are doing what a real independent professional media would be doing if our system really worked as advertised. (To be clear, I mean the ones who are for real. There are surely fakes who work for whatever Deep State faction who are posing as real, honest researchers, but who have a disinformation agenda. They may put out some truthful material but it will be laced with disinfo. So this is a very complex environment to navigate. All this problem also goes back to pre-Internet times.)

The basic defense strategy of the Empire is to try to smear all of the independent researchers as “conspiracy theorists”. That whole order of battle was formed way before the current generation of bloggers and youtubers. They put out this meme about half a century ago in the aftermath of the JFK assassination (and the other murky hits in the sixties, like RFK and MLK…) that anybody who looks into any of this is just a nutcase. And they have been pushing every lever possible, via Hollywood movies and everything else, to plant this idea in people’s minds: “Don’t listen to those people, they’re a bunch of conspiracy theorist whackos”. Surely nobody reading this needs to be told that, to be smeared as a “conspiracy theorist” is a death blow for the career of any of the presstitutes or the rest of the people working in the “intellectual industries”, who want to be considered “respectable”.

Revuski-1-10 So, on the one hand, you have a half century of brainwashing to deal with, when trying to deal with all the HIQIs, but the bullshitters still have one hell of a problem. Just recently, I came across this photo:

This is one of the visuals that was put out right after the alleged 3/22/2017 terrorist attack in London. On Westminster Bridge. I have shown this to various people, most of whom are not so political, and nobody believes that this is a real picture of a woman who was just run over by a double-decker bus. I certainly don’t think so. Granted, I don’t know what that should look like. I’m not a physician or a paramedic or first responder of any sort, but like, what is this? Like, where’s the blood?

There is nothing even that extraordinary about the above photo. You can go find endless examples that are comparable. When you examine these various events, you almost invariably see that they were running some sort of drill almost concurrently with the real event. Or just before. Is it rocket science to figure out that a primary purpose of these drills is so that they have some visuals that they can then pass off as being part of the “real” event? The problem is that careful (not even very careful) inspection typically reveals that there’s something fishy going on.

Once you overcome this endless conditioning of “Don’t listen to those crazy conspiracy whackos” you very quickly see that all of these things are laughably fake. It is a tough battle still, because there is all that brainwashing, there is the HIQI’s desperate need to delude himself, but on the other hand, the people behind this crap are asking you NOT to believe your “lying eyes”! A lot of this is a pure bluff. There is an orange clear as day and they are trying to tell you this is an apple! Once more and more people realize that the world is largely in front of their nose, and they just look, surely even given all the conditioning, many will come to see the extent of the deception. And this is a very, very big problem for the people behind all the fakery.

Some readers may be flabbergasted that I earlier made such an unqualified, categorical statement, that the event in Cologne that provoked so much discussion simply never happened. This would probably be because you find it inconceivable that anybody would attempt to pull off such an audacious hoax. Well, not only that they would attempt it but succeed! I can hardly blame you. I find it pretty hard to conceive of as well, I sometimes have to pinch myself, but people have to understand that there is no other conclusion that can be drawn. Just look at the space, or set of spaces, in which this is alleged to have occurred. Where were the hundreds of women sexually assaulted without anybody managing to get it on camera? Where? Tell me the spot. It’s not just the assaults themselves, but also the immediate aftermath. There should be scenes with females wandering about looking very distraught, sobbing, with torn clothes… And that should be caught on camera too! There is simply nothing.

What we currently have is a public intellectual culture in which there is simply no stigma or embarrassment attached to being duped by these hoaxes time and time again. It doesn’t matter if it’s the 57th time they find the suicide bomber’s passport in immaculate condition on the scene… Not only is there no stigma attached to being duped continually, it is de rigueur! The person who says all this fake crap is fake is smeared as an unserious person. This is largely the case even in the so-called alternative media, let alone the MSM.

We definitely need to develop a public intellectual culture in which being duped by hoaxes is shameful! Consider a relentless meritocracy like professional sports. It is very hard to perform consistently under pressure, so even a top player will occasionally miss a dead-easy shot, but it doesn’t happen very often and it is humiliating and costly for them when it does. A star player who starts dropping the ball too much will be benched and then eventually dropped from the team. In boxing, you f*** up and you get knocked out cold and I hear that’s pretty unpleasant.

In that sort of environment, you screw up too much and you can go from hero to zero pretty fast. That’s just how it works, how it has to work. I put it to people that this is also how a serious public intellectual culture that is bullshit-averse would have to work.

In this essay, I have not, mostly for tactical reasons, chosen to call out people by name. Obviously, I could have. Various prominent people who should know better fell for the Murmansk hoax. And the people who fell for the Cologne hoax (and then wrote higher-order bullshit on the subject) constitute a veritable Who’s Who of the alt-right ethno-nationalist commentariat. In the long run, though, there is just too much at stake here to be playing softball and trying to spare certain people’s ample egos. We are at a crucial stage in history and what is at stake here is reclaiming sanity, basic morality, and some kind of future for our children. And if that requires some people’s egos to be bruised, that ain’t much of a price to pay. The casualties of war are usually far worse.

If you’ve gotten this far, thank you for your attention. Now the time has come to roll the credits and play the closing theme music

Cryin’ won’t help ya, prayin’ won’t do ya no goo-oo-ood…♫
When da Muslim Rape Army comes to yer nay-bor-hoo-ood… ♫

(begin gradual fade-out….)

All last night, I sat in the Gasthaus and moaned….♫
When da Muslim Rape Army comes… I won’t have no home… ♫

(etcetera, etcetera…)

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  1. Ivy says:

    Useful and informative but next time edit down severely.

  2. Thomm says:

    Women voted for this and will continue to vote for this.

    There is no reason to save women from the consequences of their own choices, which they are doubling down on.

    Let the whiteknights and twats bear the brunt.

  3. Even outlets like The Guardian (hardly a bastion of alt-right commentary) acknowledged that rapes had happened in Cologne, and that this was not in quantitative terms a standard occurrence, and that Arabs/non-whites were overwhelming the accused by the victimized women. The number range of the attacks were certainly subject to variation and exaggeration, with tabloids alleging well over 1,000 rapes when the true number was under 500. However, 4 to 500 is far from a hoax.

    There’s plenty of other verifiable stories of exceptionally violent, exceptionally numerous, or unheard of sexual crimes committed by these ‘refugees’ published in papers from across the political spectrum.

    The real synthetic bullshit narrative here is because you found one instance where no refugee criminal behavour occurred, then it occurred nowhere.

    Of course we should not need rapes to justify banning what amounts to migratory colonization of our ethnic European homelands. The well behaved East Asians need to go back too. But to mobilize people, we need propaganda. Propaganda is the application of the question ‘What is to be done?’ to the recognition of a moral and political truth – we have a legitimate right to our homelands. Propaganda is designed to translate truth into emotional appeal, and from thence to political action. Thus, what matters if whether its true in general. Nobody thinks the parables of Christ are untrue simply because the particulars of the story were fictional.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  4. http://www.achgut.com/artikel/der_sommer_der_blinden

    Here also the google translator may provide some insight.

  5. utu says:

    I sympathize with the ethno-nationalist viewpoint, but the case has to be made honestly.

    Why? Why honesty is necessary for achieving goals?

    • Replies: @L.K
  6. 11,300 words to make what appears to be a single and fairly minor point.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  7. Surprisingly sane article for Unz, since the typical response is not only to credit hysterical and malicious reports of “low-IQ Muzzie rape armies” but to assume that only a revival of the Third Reich can serve as a defence.
    Murmansk Oblast. Yes. Their idea of ethnic minorities there would probably be Karelians. And the lily-white, rather raunchy club looks like the sort of hick establishment you might find in a place where people are trying not to die of boredom in the Arctic wastes.

    • Replies: @wow
  8. El Dato says:

    The GWOT narrative was certainly prefigured well in advance, but 9/11 was really when it was rolled out for prime time.

    Not sure about that.

    I don’t remember that it was prefigured, no-one knew about Bin Laden (sure, there was ship bombing in Yemen, Clinton cruise-missiling something, some towers in Malaysia that got bombed, but still). My impression of Afghanistan was that the Taliban were fighting against local warlords from time to time, and terrorism from the ME was not a big concern, except for Israel, who were behaving like fscking idiots as usual.

    Then the ball got rolling and Mr. Hussein suddenly got roped in heavily. But not with 9/11 but with the “Anthrax attacks” a bit later. That REALLY got the ball rolling, and evidence of administrative incompetence was quickly buried under Ricean shrieking.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  9. I trust you will excuse me reading this only once. Of course I may have missed something but I am not sure why you dismiss the (up to) 5 Arabs version as decisively as you rightly dismiss the 50+ version. My long experience of the media suggests to me that there was very likely some altercation between some local soldiers and some ME looking men which neither the night club nor the army would want to acknowledge occurred, possibly starting with slightly drunk young soldiers taking exception to the way they perceived the dark skinned foreigners were looking at Russian girls. Have you ruled that out?

    From that point you (i mean any writer with copy to file or space to fill) have the beginnings of a story which hardly even reaches the dignity of the Bullshit which you (JR) explore at length. You have shrewdly pointed to the absence of pictures as a major item of negative evidence that appies also to Cologne (but what about Tahir Square in Cairo one might object in turn). And it is equally realistic to see the figireof 51 being chosen to give greater verisimilitude than and impression of accuracy than the round number. (Many people would remember filling in tax returns and expense claims with the same thought in mind). What might have informed your article even more realistically is life experience of just how fecklessly irresponsible even supposedly important professional journalists can be. Australia’s ABC has a weekly 20 minute program at 8.30pm called Media Watch in which regional and tabloid newspapers, mostly, but also commercial TV and talk back radio are shown up for shameless carelessness with facts and even inaccuracy in their plagiarism.

    My own certain knowledge can offer you the broadsheet’s principal parliamentary reporter who wrote of a shadow minister’s great gotcha moment about the government’s failure to disclose X and do anything about it, all in the course of the late night adjournment debate. Unfortunately he had written and filed the story given to him by the shadow minister before the adjournment debate and then gone home without waiting to hear it. He therefore missed the fact that the attack fell completely flat and made the opposition shadow minister look silly because the relevant govdrnment minister was able to point to the disclosure of X the previous week and the announcement of action taken shortly afterwards.

    Then, for another typical example, there was the case of a very senior minister being forced to resign by a conscientious MP having done careful homework and then reported his findings to the government leader. An inquiring chief political reporter was given his name but he deflected inquiry by saying that, in the Westminster tradition, the Chief Whip would have marshalled the relevant information and and gone with it to the leader of the government. So a lively positive account appeared in the leading broadsheet that Jack Smith, the Chief Whip (there wasn’t a whip actually known as the “Chief Whip” in that parliament) had done the homework and gone to the leader etc. I remember it well because I knew all the people concerned and remember the report two days later in which the paper apologised to Jack Smith, the government whip, for saying that he had done the whip’s job when he actually hadn’t stirred himself from a golfing weekend!

    I wouldn’t require all journalistic error which is not merely careless to be squeezed into the categories of lies and bullshit. It can be just irresponsible story telling to fill a column or for any number of reasons, like drawing attention to oneself, that don’t impinge on the fabulist’s conscience (maybe because writing a luridly exaggerated story of Aboriginal drunken behaviour or Muslims’ misogynistic behaviour doesn’t deem to the exaggerator to have any conseqiences despite serving to confirm prejudices. That probably makes them think that if that story isn’t precisely true well no doubt one they haven’t reported would be much the same and true enough).

    A thoughtprovoking piece on which you have obviously burned the midnight oil.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  10. Is there a short version of this?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Man, I should have stopped reading when Revusky claimed that vibrants can’t exist in cold climates and clubs. Little did I know that by the end of the novella I’d be staring at the low IQ autism abyss.

    Some readers may be flabbergasted that I earlier made such an unqualified, categorical statement, that the event in Cologne that provoked so much discussion simply never happened.

    No shit, Sherlock. Do a web search for “cologne attacks convicted” and start freeing all those innocents with the strength of your BS detector awesomeness. You do need another hobby, after all.

  12. El Dato says:

    Relevant:

    “Taharrush gamea” and the perils of reasoning from lexicon to culture

    which deconstructs an unjustified linking of a term to culture:

    “Taharrush gamea” and the perils of reasoning from lexicon to culture
    The media was strangely slow to report the shameful and horrible events of New Year’s Day in Cologne, in which organised groups of drunk youths, most of them born in North Africa, systematically surrounded women coming out of the train station in order to sexually harass them and steal their valuables. Once they finally noticed, however, it took over the headlines for days on end. Scrambling to respond, the police issued a long and bureaucratic report including the following:

    So liegen dem Bundeskriminalamt Erkenntnisse dazu vor, dass in arabischen Ländern ein Modus Operandi bekannt ist, der als “taharrush gamea (gemeinsame sexuelle Belästigung in Menschenmengen) bezeichnet wird. Darüber wurde z. B. anlässlich der ägyptischen Revolution von den Medien berichtet.
    [It is thus found by the Bundeskriminalamt that in Arab countries there is known a modus operandi called "taharrush gamea" (group sexual harassment in crowds). This was reported on, for example, by the media on the occasion of the Egyptian revolution. (Update: See comments for a more precise translation.)]

    The term as quoted there, misspelling and all, now gets over 116,000 hits on Google News. Most of these hits seem to take this somewhere the German police prudently did not go, leaping with shock or glee to the conclusion that, if Arabic has a name for this phenomenon, it must be deeply rooted in the Arab world indeed. Indeed, at least one prominent typologist who shall remain nameless followed in the same direction, blithely asserting that “there is nothing racist about saying that taharrush gamea (the Arabic term for the gang sexual assault of women) is an Arab custom, part of Arab culture”. A closer look at the data reveals that this hasty reasoning is not only incorrect, but results in a profound misunderstanding of the problem for which this name was coined.

    But it also links to the “long and bureaucratic report” at http://www.mik.nrw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Redakteure/Dokumente/Themen_und_Aufgaben/Schutz_und_Sicherheit/160111ssia/160111berichtmik.pdf about the Köln events (in german)

    Haven’t read it yet

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    And your point is …?

  14. The Scalpel says: • Website

    Nice argument, but hopeless. But I like your “I love ya, tomorrow!” optimism. I mean, it isn’t as if there is no video evidence of the WTC 7 collapse being “bullshit”. No, you said it yourself. People in general have an innate, likely genetic, need to believe the bullshit. This genetic flaw is so pervasive, that those who seek the objective truth will always be in the minority. It is so oppresive that outside of inellectual niches like physics (and even these are affected) truthseekers will forever be shunned and shouted down.

    Ironically, when the end comes, it will be because the HIQI’s abused the tools given to them by the truthseekers. So, in effect, the truthseekers will bring about their own demise through their ceaseless and hopeless efforts to enlighten the greater mass of bullshit eaters.

    I am beginning to realize that the best course of action is to move to a shack in the woods by a pond and learn to take pleasure in the beauty of nature and of existence as long as one can, and don’t bother writing a book about it. Alternatively, one could take pleasure in tilting at windmills and trying to change the genetic code of bullshit eaters through rhetoric.

  15. Hubbub says:

    “Now, let me see…If I write a really, really long article about bullsh*t, will anyone read it? Why, that’s bullsh*t to think so!”

  16. “Somehow hundreds of young women were sexually assaulted in a wide open public space without anybody getting any clear video or photos of it.”

    I stopped reading there. There are tens of photos, videos and witness testimonies of the Cologne attack, despite the authorities trying to keep it under lid.

    Why is this poor excuse for a worthless piece of shit (the piece of shit is better because it just sits there) writing for UNZ?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  17. I actually finished this superb piece of work, and in it I detect no bullshit and only one flaw.

    The flaw is that you did not consult the King of Bullshitology, me!

    Jacques Sheete, BsD, is the world’s foremost authority on the subject, hence the name, and that’s no B.S.. As proof, how many people have you ever heard of who can wax authoritatively on the god of manure piles, Sterquilinus, and the goddess of sewers, Cloacina? Unfortunately I have no pictures to prove it, but you can always ask me.

    It’s all BS, folks, and that’s no sheete, so as the author suggests, just say “no” to BS and quit believing it.

  18. unit472 says:

    Sorry I wasted my time perusing this but at least I did not waste even more time writing it. That said, the Russian/Norwegian border is a well used entry point for Muslim vagrants seeking a way into Europe. Due to some local quirks in the law you can cross into Norway via bicycle ( but not motor vehicle) and file an asylum claim or so ‘news stories’ have reported. Toss into the mixture translation difficulties, a controlled Russian media and something like what was reported may well have occurred though maybe not in January.

  19. Randal says:

    Lots of good stuff in here, though from my point of view it’s a case of pointing the guns in the wrong direction. (The philosophical/tactical question of whether the anti-mass migration cause is better served by strict honesty or by the use of “bullshit” in response to the progressives’ prolific prior use of it to get us where we are is touched on in the piece but not really resolved, imo.)

    I’ve always just automatically dismissed “muslim rape army” stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media. I clearly recall (though I haven’t dug into it as forensically as you do with the Murmansk story here) that the Cologne stuff was not based on nothing, but upon initial reports of several women being harassed (I don’t recall whether there were any actual rapes), and the story expanded from there, especially in response to attempts by the left and the mainstream media to cover it up. These were exactly the kinds of low level migrant/minority harassments all of us who live in western cities will be familiar with, and the honest amongst us will admit to. I’ve spoken to girls in my city who complain of personal, direct experience of low level harassment in muslim areas. It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing. The Rotherham stories were not nothing (I know Rotherham quite well, as it happens), even if they are often built up into something more than they are by those with an axe to grind. I recently read an interesting piece (in The National Interest, so obviously of questionable loyalties) from a woman linked apparently to some RAND ME program who claims to have worked very extensively with migrants, trying to argue the problem was primarily just with Afghan migrants (but implicitly admitting the existence of a problem).

    Does this kind of propaganda hyperbole help to whip up mass political support and is it a necessary counter to the other side’s lies and suppression of truth, or does it discredit the cause? That’s a hard question to answer imo – presumably it does both, but which does it do more? It’s all very well insisting on the fundamental importance of truth, but the fact is that the liars have been winning for decades.

    It is evident that there have been extremely powerful and well placed liars engaged in imposing mass immigration upon us for decades. It is also evident that there are very powerful and well placed liars trying to whip up anti-muslim feeling for various reasons (this was a favourite tactic of Israel’s partisans for a long time, and still is in many cases).

    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine? I don’t know, but if we don’t end mass immigration there will be no “us” (in the sense of the nations we have grown up with) to worry about the situation anyway.

  20. Johnathan

    You forget to mention that the Rottherdam gang rapes never occured….and Lee Rigby never had his head hacked off by a muslim. Moreover, the photo of the obliterated body of the Swedish preteen girl was fake.

  21. Beckow says:

    My grandma used to say ‘to fight with stupid, you also need to be stupid” – that explains the temptation of people outside of MSM to also exaggerate, lie, or bullshit. The word ‘bullshit’ is by the way a bad term for it, it coarsens the conversation, demeans it, and has unpredictable consequences when transmitted to other languages. One can see proud aspiring semi-English-literate compradors wearing shirts with “I am a bullshitter”. In Murmansk it would be a hit. (I sometimes wonder what it is like to live in countries where almost all T-Shirts are in a foreign language.)

    The article makes valid points, thanks for the analysis. But after ’100,000 dead in a Kosovo mine (or in a stadium, whatever it was)’, the whole ME mayhem with unlugged incubators and tubes from Niger, and Putin somehow convincing the sturdy people of Wisconsin that Hillary was a turd, how is this in the some category? And of course the enterprenurial Eritrean nuclear physicicts with cute families ‘reluctantly’ moving to Europe to save its pensions. How does one match those levels of mendacity?

    Yes – no cause is worth lying about reality. But it takes two to lie – the one who lies, and those willing to be lied to. The current balance is so one-sided, and the waves of glo-baloney nonsense so thick, that for some desperados to dream about a far-away Artic place where justice was served, seems a minor transgression. I guess it depends on whether one sees it all as an amusing game where outcomes don’t really matter, just about different shades of bullshit’, or as a serious inflection point in human history. And we are back to why being a bit stupid sometimes makes sense.

    • Agree: utu
  22. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Using Revusky’s razor, one may see how cartoonish Western values qualify as bullshit. People who missed Soviet system are not familiar with dialectical materialism. Author went a long way to taste some dialectic finally, but still floats among pieces of Western bullshit. The manly men of Russia now perceive modern West, mostly, as a deviation from evolution of human society. Normal Christian humanity goes through Ancient Greece – Rome – Eastern Roman Empire – Eternal Mother Russia (the Third Rome) pathway. We are the only rightful heirs to Antiquity and Keepers of the Christendom. What about westerners? We won’t miss you anymore if something happens to you.

  23. Is Revusky Jewish?

    Save yourselves the task of reading this, I’ve summed it up in just a couple of sentences for you;

    “look stupid goyim, nothing to see here but I think I’ll write this incredibly long, dull, meandering and pedantic article to show you how smart I (we) am and how dumb you are”

    How many other similar tomes have been written by Jews i.e. Capital and The Authoritarian Personality for the same purpose?

  24. David says:

    This is the stupidest article I’ve read here at Unz.com that wasn’t written by a scrabble enthusiast.

    • LOL: Clyde
  25. Esteemed Mr. Revulsky:
    Can you kindly post 200 to 500 words synopsis (abstract) of your article above.
    Or may be some of participants of the discussion would do that.
    Reading your (Mr. R’s) previous articles on “Unz Review”
    I got very positive impression of your writings.

    Respectfully, I.f.f.U.

    • Replies: @Maus
  26. Kirt says:

    It’s rare that I force myself to read an essay this long, but the effort was well rewarded even though I had never heard of the alleged incident to begin with. Now can someone apply this to Orlando and Newton, two events which are widely alleged to either not have occurred or been staged? I’m inclined to believe that both took place, but I’ll listen to evidence to the contrary.

  27. Smoggins hit the nail on the head. I do not blame all Jews for the actions of others (Ron Unz is Jewish and a great American patriot) but it is silly to dismiss the obvious and widespread Jewish hostility to the West, Europe, and white people in general. The author of this nonsense is obviously a Jew, and probably one of Russian origins who hates Russia more than crazy John McCain does. In their minds a Cossack lurks under every bed. The simple truth is that the rape of non-Muslim women is a well-established tradition in Islam and the arrival of these so-called “refugees” has caused an epidemic of rape and other sexual assaults. Anybody who denies this – like the author of this bilge – clearly has an agenda. I am sorry to see the Unz Review giving space to this sick, perverted nut.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @ussr andy
    , @pensword
  28. Joe Hide says:

    Over 11,000 words to introduce derogatory terms like “Bullshit” this and “Bullshit” that on opposite views? When I saw the 11,000 plus words at the top of the page I immediately thought “Bullshit artist” but was polite enough to suppress that thought in my head to, “I should read his article to give him the benefit of a doubt.” That said, he did have some logical insights involving reasoning from evidence…

  29. Jason Liu says:

    “The Outsiders are criminals” is a standard line of rhetoric used all over the world to justify ethnic homogeneity. You hear the same thing in China, Japan, South Africa, everywhere. It’s not supposed to be taken literally (by intelligent analysts, anyway). Even if Muslims weren’t associated with rape/sharia/acid attacks/whatever, ethnic nationalists would still find some fault with them to use as excuse to reject them.

    It would be clearer and more ideologically effective to simply be honest: “I don’t want these people here because I want to live in a relatively homogeneous society. Whether or not the Outsider has negative/criminal traits is irrelevant.”

  30. When I first started visiting the US internet about a dozen years ago, I was shocked by the innumerable inaccuracies concerning Europe. I’ve lived in the US and I know that Americans are woefully ignorant of all things European, so I would politely blog authors pointing out their error. Then, a few months later, the same author would trot out the same misinformation. At that point, I realised that I was dealing with propaganda and disinformation and, as the saying goes, I haven’t looked back since. What I also noticed was that, regardless of the professed ideology of the site, the “party line” always seemed to be the same, the message was merely dressed up in whatever jargon was appropriate to the professed dieology. Example: the rightwing sites would say that the EU had to be destroyed because it was a hotbed of socialism whereas the leftwing sites would say that the EU has to be destroyed bercause it was a hotbed of capitalism! Then there were the “nonentity authors”: “Joe Smith is an activist from Iowa”. And the undisclosed pseudonyms, whether used by one person or several, often identifiable by their odd-sounding biographies. And the sites that were wholly anonymous. And the authors who, when you blogged them, were manifestly unfamiliar with the contents of the articles they were supposed to have written. And, of course, the completey fake stories of the kind Mr Revusky refers to.
    In addition, it is very difficult to identify who actually owns, or more importantly, finances, a website (as distinct from the domain name it uses). Some sites have fund-raising drives, as if they were “user-funded” and tells us that it they don’t raise $X by tomorrow, the site will shut down. They do that year after year but the site never does shut down! Some mysterious (and anonymous!) moneybags always pops up at the last minute to save the day!
    To a very great extent, the American internet has become one enormous fraud and since that is screamingly obvious, it has lost all credibility. The only point of visiting internet sites is to see what propaganda line we are being fed and work out from that what truth they are trying to divert our attention away from! That’s why stories like the Murmansk story no longer “sell”.

    • Replies: @utu
  31. I think Revusky called Muslim violence and rape in Europe psy-ops and lies in the past. The problem exists, whether any on either side of the issue is completely honest in its reporting. FWIW, I’d take the reports of alt-right types over mainstream reports or leftists any day.

    Of course Muslims can commit violence in cold places. In this case the perp was a Somali.

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/oulu_police_describe_suspect_in_pub_hatchet_killings/7738055

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/oulu_pub_owner_refutes_claim_that_door_ban_was_axe_murderers_motive/7743494

    The way the police, media and politicians handle the following events makes it clear who is really reporting fake news or creating a false reality.

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/foreign_nationals_suspects_in_one-fifth_of_sexual_offenses/9252437

    https://www.nyatider.nu/disclosure-the-four-swedes-in-custody-for-gang-rape-are-somali-citizens/

    http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2015/06/24/17880/Conditional-imprisonment-for-3-in-Tapanila-rape-case

    http://tundratabloids.com/2015/03/five-muslims-rape-woman-the-harrassed-and-followed-off-of-helsinki-train/

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/appeal_court_stiffens_sentence_in_tapanila_rape_case/8803380

    It’s obvious that there is a problem, and it is obvious that the media and authorities want to cover it up. From refusing to describe perps, using citizenship status to deflect ethnicity or play with stats, or Using light sentencing to downplay the severity of an attack or problem, it’s obvious who is using psy-ops and dishonesty, and who is distorting reality.

  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    which deconstructs an unjustified linking of a term to culture

    Except that it doesn’t – at all.

    Taharrush was unknown in Europe until the Muslim garbage got introduced into the ecosystem. I’m not going to spontaneously decide to rape a woman in public – and even if I did, there’s no way in hell I’d get my buddies and random onlookers to eagerly join in. This is clearly “cultural”.

    The Arabic gang-rape ‘Taharrush’ phenomenon which sees women surrounded by groups of men in crowds and sexually assaulted… and has now spread to Europe

    http://archive.is/8aKy5

  33. Avery says:
    @Chris Bridges

    Well said.

    The agenda as always is to flood Europe with more Islamists: “Nothing happened. Bring in more Islamists. It is quite safe.”
    The agenda is erasure of nation-states and erasure of nationalities: no more Germans, or French, or Italians,…..one large unrecognizable blob.
    The agenda is de-Christianization of Europe and the West …whatever is left of Christianity after decades of relentless assaults by Globalists.

    The article is a classic magician’s trick: while the right hand misdirects with some shiny object, the left lifts your wallet.

  34. wow says:
    @Uebersetzer

    I know eh…Muslims are benign peace loving migrants who want to be Westernized. They don’t rape, pillage or assault anyone….I want more Muslims!!!!

    Kill yourself!

    • Replies: @Uebersetzer
  35. You doubt these news reports that mention Muslims so far north.

    Just google mosque Anchorage (there are 3).
    Mosque Yellowknife (1)
    Mosque Fairbanks (1)
    Mosque Reykjavik (1)

  36. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s good to expose hoaxes, frauds and propaganda. Unfortunately pernicious lies can be generated at lightning speed while debunking them takes time. As soon as one lie is exposed ten have taken it’s place. The kind of people who visit this website or do some worthwhile reading are a minority of the population. All that’s required is to get a bare majority of the population to get hyped up about something and get them into mob mentality mode. They’ll shout down any dissenting voices and go charging in. This is how they get the masses to volunteer to get themselves killed for whatever war that gets cooked up. It’s been going on for a long time and examples go back as far as one wants to look. Deception of the public is the rule. PT Barnum’s line about a sucker being born every minute is as true today as it was then.

  37. mobi says:

    One is too many, Jonathan.

  38. I’ll buy that the Murmansk story is BS for two reasons:

    1) The Russian border force is more discerning in who they let into the country than their Euro counterparts, and the Russian police take far less shit from immigrant offenders than their Euro counterparts; and

    2) The MRA are too busy in places like Malmo, Stockholm, Cologne, etc. to be bothered to even attempt to get to Murmansk, though the local girls look like they are worth the trip.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  39. @wow

    That’s more like the Unz Review I know.
    You first.

  40. Randal says:
    @Jason Liu

    It would be clearer and more ideologically effective to simply be honest: “I don’t want these people here because I want to live in a relatively homogeneous society. Whether or not the Outsider has negative/criminal traits is irrelevant.”

    That’s an implausible assertion that needs support, imo.

    From my point of view, I would certainly endorse your suggested statement (a relatively homogeneous society is certainly preferable to the alternative, imo). But the assertion that confining the political argument to just that would be as effective as utilising the power of the “outsider as criminal etc” trope (which also of course has the advantage of often being substantially true) seems highly questionable to me.

    It’s a bit like criticising weaker peoples for resorting to “terrorism” in the face of overwhelmingly superior force. How dare those Palestinians not line up in smart red uniformed lines, to be mown down by US-subsidised Israeli high tech weaponry?

    What is the benefit to being ideologically pure if you no longer exist as a sovereign nation?

  41. Revusky is a 9/11 Truther who believes that the Charlie Hebbo massacre was a hoax.

    At the core of the 9/11 Truther Cabal are race-replacement enthusiasts who want to import the Mohammadan Gang Rape Army into Minnesota….

  42. Should we take this seriously?

    Somalia: Women Shouldn’t Live in Fear of Rape According to this HRW report published last month, ” The UN reported nearly 800 cases of sexual and gender-based violence in Mogadishu alone for the first six months of 2013, although the actual number is likely much higher. Many victims will not report rape and sexual assault because they lack confidence in the justice system, are unaware of available health and justice services or cannot access them, and fear reprisal and stigma. When Human Rights Watch asked one survivor why she did not report being raped, she shrugged: “Rape is a frequent occurrence in Somalia. Here, rape is normal.

    https://fqdayib.com/2014/03/07/rape-is-a-frequent-occurrence-in-somalia-here-rape-is-normal/

    Say what you want about the conditions in these countries, or why they are in such condition, these are the people that are flooding the West. I don’t think the citizens of Europe and North America deserve to be subjected to the violence and dysfunction brought by the refugees. Apparently, some people think otherwise. Isn’t that what it all really boils down to?

  43. @TelfoedJohn

    Is there a short version of this?

    Yes.

    The media is a huge source of lies. Question everything.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    , @OilcanFloyd
  44. utu says:

    The Murmansk story was a hoax. Its point was not that Muslims were rapist, because the audience to which the hoax was directed at already believed the Muslims-are-rapist men. The main point was to boost the image of Russian people by showing their prowess that they would not put up with what allegedly people in the West put up with daily.

    This is an example of a very inexpensive psy-op propaganda and to some extent successful, but only because the targeted audience is not very sophisticated. This case also exemplifies a typical crudeness of Russian propaganda machine.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  45. utu says:
    @Michael Kenny

    To a very great extent, the American internet has become one enormous fraud and since that is screamingly obvious, it has lost all credibility.

    Exactly my feelings.

  46. utu says:
    @Randal

    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine?

    Very good question. History teaches us that if you want to mobilize masses you need to lie to them. If you want to turn regular into killers you have vilify and dehumanize the enemy.

  47. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @jacques sheete

    Hi jacques sheete,

    The alternative media is also filled with liars and bullshitters, of course. I just got this email:

    I read Jeffrey St Clair and could not believe how stupid the standard bearers of the Left are these days. Here it is:

    For the conspiratorial Left, the Deep Staters seem to have eclipsed the 9/11 Truthers as the heralds of a new political Theory-0f-Everything. This is a welcome shift of emphasis as far as I’m concerned. Who really needs to read yet another belabored story on the demolition of WTC 7?

    I first encountered the phrase “Deep State” in the writings of the Canadian Peter Dale Scott (a fellow Eng. Lit major), though the predicate of the theory far predates Scott’s relatively docile explorations of the dark forces manipulating the secret management of the Empire. The origin myth of leftwing Deep State theory is, of course, the assassination of JFK, an act of internal regime change by a CIA hit-team orchestrated by Allen Dulles in retaliation for the president’s alleged plan to break-up the agency and yank US troops out of Vietnam. From that moment on, according Deep State theorizers, the secret government was firmly in control and no political transgressions against its agenda would be tolerated. As an omnipotent force, the existence of a Deep State satisfies the Left’s desire to rationalize its own sense of perennial powerlessness.

    Of course, I remain an unrepentant Magic Bullet man, fully persuaded that Lee Harvey Oswald, as an ardent devotee of the Cuban Revolution, had a more personal motive to kill the anti-communist Kennedy (the first neoliberal) than did fussy old Allen Dulles. With a couple miraculous shots from his Carcano Rifle, Oswald demonstrated that regime change could be a two-way street.

    Does he not know of JFK´s speech at American University in June? Does he not know Oswald´s history and his last words “I am just the patsy”? Does he not know that Building 7 fell at free fall speed for 2.5 seconds and that that can only have happened if the vertical columns were simultaneously take out by controlled demolition? Has he not read or heard the testimonies of First Responders who heard multiple explosions?

    Or is he really in on it, being financially supported be nefarious forces to destroy anti-war, anti-imperialist thought in the U.S.? Is this guy just stupid or is he paid to write this shit and hold these opinions? That is my question. Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.

    Linh

  48. @Lemurmaniac

    acknowledged

    hahahahahahahahahaaaa thinking that any or all newspapers got any authority over facts. the problem with all media was and is that the readers can never tell which is real or fake(propaganda). this has been true since the invention of newspapers, radio, tv and internet. even a place like 4chan got taken over. that means any and all news can be taken over. it is just that some of us has finally woken up to this fact. even unz review can become a target for take over once it gets popular enough.

    • Replies: @Lemurmaniac
  49. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jonathan Revusky

    Let’s see… This guy that believes that no planes hit the twin towers, believes that Betty Ong never existed, and will uncritically characterizes anyone who doesn’t share his views (such as Fred Reed) as a lying shit-eater. He comes here after EVERY terrorist attack in Europe to say that he firmly believes it to be yet another false-flag event to make people hate muslims. He also believes a bunch of other crazy stuff, as well. He is an apologist for muslims. He is indifferent about the future of Europeans like 99% of the rest of the world, ect…

    • Replies: @Alden
  50. @jacques sheete

    The media is a huge source of lies. Question everything.

    I agree. But what if the media and elites are downplaying the problem because they supported and caused the problem in the first place? What purpose would it serve for Germans in the media and political class to make up the Koln attacks? The political and media class in Germany is hardly alt-Right, and they are the ones who support immigration and put the speech codes and hate laws in place. At first, they tried to ignore the event! Wouldn’t they lose all credibility if they completely ignored what is going on?

  51. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Is Revusky Jewish?

    Yes and No. He doesn’t identify as a Jew (although he has admitted to being 1/4 Jewish by ancestry, as well as being otherwise racially mixed). Strangely, he is also very pro-Holocaust revisionism.

    In short, he’s just another kooky subversive of actual native European causes.

    • Agree: German_reader
  52. @utu

    Of course, some people are trying to exploit the problem, which is evident in the many reports with obvious links to Israeli or pro-Zionist sites. The problem still exists. Most people would just like to turn back the immigration, and likely have no desire for more war in the Middle East, or anywhere else, and no amount of propaganda is going to change things. We’re already at war! How popular has official propaganda made immigration?

  53. In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened.

    You’re scum. I already suspected that given your hysterical “Holocaust revisionism” comments, but this confirms it beyond doubt.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  54. Randal says:
    @utu

    Well if it’s national survival as (actual) fascists or national extinction, any decent man would choose the former in a heartbeat. Of course some would argue the Germans made the same choice in the 1930s and it didn’t end well for them, but that doesn’t mean the issue is closed for other times and places.

    (I’m not saying we necessarily do face that choice today, not yet at any rate).

    History teaches us that if you want to mobilize masses you need to lie to them. If you want to turn regular into killers you have vilify and dehumanize the enemy.

    Wanting the former does not imply wanting the latter, of course.

  55. @utu

    I think you’ve got the causality backwards. As Steve Sailer has pointed out, the disastrous, socially, culturally, and economically destructive influx of unassimalable immigrants into the USA and Europe is part of a tripartite globalist establishment plan: “Invade the world, invite the world, in debt to the world.” It is precisely the genocidal warfare spearheaded by the USA in Africa and across the Middle East that has created the chaos which is causing and enabling this uncontrolled flow. That the USA’s insane belligerence has been largely instigated by Israeli pressure on internal US politics is something best left to another discussion.

  56. @Randal

    (I don’t recall whether there were any actual rapes)

    There were at least several confirmed digital rapes (that is with fingers); later media reports also mentioned a few cases in which actual intercourse had happened, though iirc that supposedly wasn’t reported to the police at the time due to the victims being too traumatized.
    But it’s beyond doubt that some very serious assaults happened in Cologne…and that the perpetrators will never be punished.
    Revusky in his article is really just using classic disinformation tactics of the sort commonly used by pro-immigrationist journalists: they focus all their attention on some ridiculous, irrelevant story (the supposed Murmanks riots in this case) that is easy to refute…and then claim there is nothing, nothing at all to reports about severe crimes committed by Muslim immigrants, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

    • Replies: @Randal
  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The jooies push their agenda through the media, so I have learned not to trust them.

    Look at all the stories of N Korea and Iran that are hyped up. Most of them are probably bullshit.

  58. KenH says:

    I couldn’t get through it all but it sounds like Revusky is saying that because the Murmansk incident (which I’ve never even heard of until now) is “bullshit”, all stories involving Muslim sexual predation of non-Muslim women in the West must be as well. Ergo, let millions more in because any concerns about their barbarism are unfounded.

    If that’s the case then he should petition his fellow Jew Benji Netanyahu to allow huge numbers of them into Israel, so they can marry Jewish women and finally solve the intractable Jew vs. Arab racial problem once and for all!

  59. MBlanc46 says:
    @Hairway To Steven

    I was going to say, “Very much about very little”, but you’ve said it better.

  60. @Linh Dinh

    I completely agree with Jeffrey Sinclair on this point.

    I don’t like the term “DEEP STATE”…for this term reeks of a hidden super-intelligent Cabal(The Fart Joke loving Bush Family…”250 Fart Jokes” to be specific and exact…) What is called the “DEEP STATE” is just the usual suspects:Military Industrial Complex+Israeli Firsters taking advantage of the Patriotards who are looking forward to the upcommimg NCAA Div 1 Football Season….the upcoming NFL season….and Fantasy Football 2017.

    In other words, the Deep State is just another upcomming year of Mega-Corporate Power colluding with the Neocon-Israeli Firsters mixed into the rancid toilet of Cornball Americana….

    • Replies: @edNels
  61. utu says:

    Revusky is a lover of abstract purity. He likes to create mathematical like notions and propositions in areas that unfortunately are not suited for such reductionism and simplification. It comes all the way from Hegel. It was in vogue among many thinkers of 19 c. and early 20 c. in the “soft fields” of science and pseudo-science who to some extent were driven by physics and mathematics envy. Otto Weininger with his calculus of feminine and masculine elements is a good example or Charles Spearman with his general intelligence factor g is another prominent example who unlike Weininger dd not have decency to commit suicide. All of them followed Hegel’s dictum that if their theorizing did not fit the facts it was “the worst for the facts.”

  62. ussr andy says:
    @Chris Bridges

    The author of this nonsense is obviously a Jew,

    nope, not obvious at all. He’s a bit to preoccupied with Muzzie apologism. I mean there are sh*tlib Jews who defend Muslims for SJW reasons, but for this guy it’s clearly something personal. And, of course, the whole ZOG and Holocaust denialism stuff is pretty mainstream in the Muslim world.

    A second David Cole who also, for some reason, happens to love Muslims veddy veddy much? Nah, probably not.

  63. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Brilliant — Again!

  64. @Johnny Smoggins

    ” Das Kapital”

    Damn if this is not the maddening, nonsensical, conglomeration of lunacy ever produced on planet mirth, than I do not know what is.

    Marx was totally nuts, and the results of his rube-goldberg “Teachings” are still reverberating to this day, as the complete US edumacation system is populated by professor loonies who propagate this shiot, and as with the Kaiser’s neue Kleidung, they are assuming that because this abberation is beyond their own comprehension, it THEREFORE must be valid and true.

    They are then pushing out thousands of newly ordained marxist SJWs, semester by semester, who will automatically support such demogogues as BC, HRC, BO, AG, GS, etc, etc etc.

    If the dilema of crazy-ass leftist marxist professors is not finally addressed there will be a total collapse of society, basta

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro ajzz artist.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  65. Randal says:
    @German_reader

    But it’s beyond doubt that some very serious assaults happened in Cologne…and that the perpetrators will never be punished.

    Nor imo is there any doubt that sections of the media/political elite actively tried to cover it up – it, together with some similar cases around the same time, sparked an extensive discussion on the establishment left at the time, iirc, between those who wanted to pretend it hadn’t happened in order to avoid having immigrants criticised and those whose feminist dogmas made that difficult for them to swallow.

    Revusky in his article is really just using classic disinformation tactics of the sort commonly used by pro-immigrationist journalists: they focus all their attention on some ridiculous, irrelevant story (the supposed Murmanks riots in this case) that is easy to refute…and then claim there is nothing, nothing at all to reports about severe crimes committed by Muslim immigrants, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

    Yes, his neat segue from debunking a trivial piece of propaganda to writing as though he had debunked the much larger Cologne story leaves him wide open to that accusation.

    On the other hand he’s certainly correct that there are many pushing dishonestly exaggerated propaganda about muslims and islam, and some of those doing so certainly have extremely noxious motivations (the US/Israeli neocon crew in particular).

    As is often the case, the truth is somewhere in the middle (the mainstream, establishment position pushed here by Revusky – “there’s nothing to see here, move on citizen” – being one extreme), but for me the priority is somehow ending mass immigration, not catching out some particular propagandists overstepping the bounds in their zeal for the cause. As I’ve noted before, 9/11 dissenters, “anti-Semites”, “islamophobes”, “homophobes” and immigration dissenters are in the end all deplorables as far as the elites are concerned, and it’s rather comical when they scratch and scrabble at each other as though they won’t all finish up in the same pot at the end.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  66. @utu

    ” It come all the way from Hegel”

    Hegel was insane and full of shit, and I could relate an incident regarding the validity of his ramblings, however don’t have the patience at this moment.
    N. was on the money.
    Authenticjazman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    PS , it means nothing , but I did at one time live five minutes from his, Hegel’s, last residence in Heidelberg

  67. @El Dato

    I don’t remember that it was prefigured,

    Well, there was an earlier incident involving the bombing of the very same target, the WTC. In 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

    If that’s not prefiguration, then what is? The narrative about cartoonists that culminated in the Charlie Hebdo thing was also prefigured well in advance with this strange synthetic event revolving around some cartoons in a Danish newspaper. Remember that?

    As for when they started introducing the Bin Laden bogeyman, it’s true that most people had not heard of him until the day of 9/11, but then they were broadcasting his image immediately pretty much. Nonstop. But I think the real news junkies who follow all the stuff would have been presented with this particular villain character already. But I’m not sure when he was introduced to the public. One would have to look back.

    In any case, this is not a 9/11 article. I was just making the general point that, to carefully examine the timeline of these things is a natural starting point if you want to look at any of these synthetic narratives. That’s all.

    • Replies: @utu
  68. Sparkon says:

    Any media can be faked, including video and photography, and of course, the TV. Because cameras, smart phones can be confiscated, or blocked, lack of photos or video by itself doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

    Anyway, as I’m sure you know, neither a video nor a photo is 100% iron-clad proof of anything. Both are routinely faked, or misattributed — using a photo of one thing to represent something else — but doing it perfectly may be difficult.

    Almost from the beginning, artists and photographers developed ways to create fake photographs, using paint and/or cut-outs — sometimes called “paste-ups” — and multiple negatives, and/or exposures, sometimes working on oversize enlargements.

    After the work, the photograph may be put on a copy-stand, and photographed again, usually being reduced, or “sized down” in the process. Before the digital era, this is the general way “camera-ready” art was prepared for the copy camera to create plates for offset printing.

    Now in the digital era many of these old techniques have their modern equivalents within the editing environment of such familiar applications as GIMP.

    Certainly, there should be no doubt about what Hollywood can do, if you’ve seen the top-down destruction of the Empire State Building by the hovering flying saucer in Independence Day, or the billowing dust-clouds when the onion spaceship trying to escape crashed after being shot down by a bunch of sky zappers which suddenly had it surrounded in Clone Wars, or finally — I can’t resist mentioning again — Major Kong’s ride on the bomb in Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.

    That Kubrick was quite a card, but today, even hack artists have the power to create fake imagery, sometimes called CGI, and make Porky’s pixels fly, propelled by pearls powering out the poor pig’s posterior.

    Pearls after swine, so to say.

  69. Jonathan,

    Thanks for working to “reclaim reality.”

    We must never forget the Mossad motto, “By way. of deception thou shalt do war.”

    One matter, I did as Christopher Bollyn recommended & read Le Carre’s novel, “The Little Drummer Girl.” The book illustrates that reclaiming reality is mankind’s greatest challenge ever.

    The majority.of what Americans perceive as news is THEATER.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @iffen
  70. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Was it that Osama bin Laden was introduced in the morning on NBC by the future pro consul of Iraq Paul Bremer and in UK by Ehud Barak on BBC?

    However Osama bin Laden was really know in MSM already during Clinton presidency.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  71. @Randal

    On the other hand he’s certainly correct that there are many pushing dishonestly exaggerated propaganda about muslims and islam, and some of those doing so certainly have extremely noxious motivations (the US/Israeli neocon crew in particular).

    That’s not really my impression tbh. There is propaganda against certain majority-Islamic countries…most obvious is the anti-Iranian hysteria widespread in the US that is full of bizarre misrepresentations. On the other hand, opposition to Islam and immigration of Muslims per se is a marginalized fringe position and declared to be “racist” often by exactly the same kind of people who are agitating for military interventions in the Islamic world.
    If anything, crimes committed by Muslims and other non-European immigrants are under-reported and covered up by mainstream media in Western Europe (some American outlets like Breitbart may exaggerate). The idea that there is some media campaign to vilify innocent Muslim immigrants is simply grotesque.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Randal
  72. @Linh Dinh

    Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.

    Hi Linh. You know, the above is really a kind of money quote. I mean, the dude says: “I’m an unrepentant magic bullet man”. So, the guy says openly he believes in magic, in a miracle, he is tacitly accepting the sheer implausibility (or downright impossibility) of the official story and PROUDLY proclaims that he believes it anyway.

    I mean, that’s so Orwellian doublethink-ish, you know? I mean, on one level, he all but admits that he kinda knows that it’s not true, but then says that he is a proud believer! This kind of thing is really an insight into that sort of left gatekeeper mentality, I think. He takes his capacity to do the Orwellian doublethink and delude himself and vaunts it as some kind of great virtue!

    I have made a mental note to use that in a future follow-up article. It’s an incredible insight into these people, not just that line either, but the whole passage you quoted.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  73. Rurik says: • Website

    well, well..

    this is a continuation of a debate I was involved with JR in on another one of his articles

    it descended into a farce where JR was demanding that I provide proof of the Cologne rapes- and if I couldn’t, then it meant that all of the (often well-documented rapes and murders of Westerners by non-Westerners, including occasionally Muslims) were all synthetic/fake news.

    I would engage with JR and anyone else regarding the merits of this debate, but then a little history is in order here…

    when I first encountered JR on Unz, I was impressed by his intelligence and skeptical bent, and I guess you could say we often agreed. So that when JR was relentless about communicating outside of Unz, I very reluctantly obliged after relentless solicitations to do so.

    But then when I openly disagreed with Jonathan, and used the kind of language he’s so fond of, he threated to ‘dox’ me (publish my private info online). It is for that reason that I will desist from this thread, as I’d prefer not to have every lunatic that reads this forum outside my front door.

    It’s all part of the record on Unz, so you can take my word for it or do the research yourself.

    regards

    • Replies: @Anon
  74. Alden says:
    @anonymous

    Is he the guy who claims the Nicole Simpson Ron Goldman murders were total fakes arranged by deep state to distract the masses from whatever evil deeds the deep state was doing at the time?

    Betty Ong is from San Francisco. She had 2 parents and 3 siblings, lived in the Sunset, went to Washington high. I suppose the parents and sibs were actors and the WTC fraudsters created Betty Ong birth certificate, grade. and high school transcripts and employment records knowing that one day they would need a fake flight attendant named Betty Ong.

    From fraudulent birth certificate to fake death, a 45 year old fraud by deep state.

  75. @utu

    Revusky is a lover of abstract purity. (blah blah)

    Uhh… I don’t think so. I’m certainly not conscious of being a “lover of abstract purity”. Though, OTOH, I I have to admit that I’m not 100% sure what you even mean by that. To be honest, that sounds like what I referred to in the article as “higher order bullshit”.

    I certainly don’t see how “Revusky’s Razor” emerges from some kind of abstract pure conception of the world. The problem is that if you’ve got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It’s obviously impossible. I mean, it’s not a question of even catching a rape on camera. I mean, there should be some sort of images of some distraught women with torn clothes just after being raped or assaulted. There is simply NOTHING. It’s such a pure baldfaced hoax, it’s ridiculous. Here is a youtube commenter who put up a video about it and it’s quite extraordinary to look at the comment stream under it.

    Everybody screams and hollers but it doesn’t occur to anybody that there is a need to find some actual evidence! The discussion under the video is just extraordinary. The video creator just keeps asking these people: like, where’s the evidence? And they obviously have none and just get ever more incensed at him, insisting that the event happened.

    It provides an amazing insight into the HIQI mentality — well, just as much of the discussion right here does! This desperate need to believe something…

    But that guy put out the video a week after the event. Well over a year has gone by and no video or photos have ever become available. The reasoning of the guy in the video is completely correct. In the space where they claim this happened, it is simply impossible for there to be no photographic evidence.

    So it simply did not happen. It has nothing to do with wanting immigration or loving Muslims. The event simply did not happen. It’s a purely factual question and there’s nothing abstract or theoretical about it.

  76. Avery says:

    [The Muslim Rape Army Is Coming to Getcha!]

    An old story about one Muslim Rape Army ‘soldier’, but very apropos.

    {‘He didn’t know the boy didn’t want to be raped’ court throws out migrant child sex charge}*
    {AN IRAQI asylum seeker who confessed to raping a 10-year-old boy in a swimming pool, claiming it was a “sexual emergency”, has had his conviction overturned}
    {In a truly shocking twist the Suptreme Court decided the grown Iraqi man may not have realised the 10-year-old did not want to be sexually abused by him.
    Amir A, 20, was visiting the Theresienbad pool in the Austrian capital of Vienna last December as part of a trip to encourage integration. }

    That’s what was reported. However the real reason the conviction was overturned was because there was no video nor pictures of the actual sexual assault. So it never happened.
    I mean, these days everybody and his brother has smartphones: how come there was no video?

    Nothing to see here: move along.

    ___________
    *

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723868/Migrant-jailed-Austria-attack-boy-10-sexual-emergency-has-conviction-OVERTURNED

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Avery
  77. @threestars

    I stopped reading there. There are tens of photos, videos and witness testimonies of the Cologne attack, despite the authorities trying to keep it under lid.

    Okay, well, the normal thing to do would be to ask you to produce some of these photos or videos, or give us a link to them. I’m going to skip that intermediate step because I know you’re just bullshitting. I’ve investigated this fully and know that the are no photos or videos.

    Sometimes, you find something where they say they have something and it’s just more bullshit. Especially if you watch the video with the sound off (so they can’t snow you with sound effects) you just see there’s nothing that shows what they say happened. Nothing.

    As for witness testimonies, there is a segment of the population that will say anything for a few bucks. There’s one girl who said she was raped and it was horrible and blah blah…. that skank wasn’t even in Cologne at the time, like was hundreds of miles away, and later admitted it.

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    Woman says she was gang-raped, got pregnant, had an abortion blah blah, is traumatized, needs help, oy vey, but she wasn’t even in Cologne on the day in question. Just bullshit.

    You see, this stuff eventually comes out, and somehow people like you manage never to know it. And then you are here claiming that photos exist without providing any link…

    The whole thing is just a cartoon. If you look into it in any serious manner, you see that it just never happened.

    • Replies: @Selvar
  78. Alden says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    IN his foreword LeCarre wrote he spent months working with Israelis, Palestinians and German police for authenticity. The movie had the Israelis luring the girl to Greece supposedly for a well paid job in a commercial. That sounded exactly what the Israelis would do.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    The idea that there is some media campaign to vilify innocent Muslim immigrants is simply grotesque.

    Exactly. The pro-immigrant lemmings have noticed that the public doesn’t trust the (former) MSM so now they’re trying to scatter that distrust everywhere. “Everyone is doing it” is a misdirection. The truth is not in the middle. It almost never is.

  80. @Wizard of Oz

    Of course I may have missed something but I am not sure why you dismiss the (up to) 5 Arabs version as decisively as you rightly dismiss the 50+ version.

    There is testimony from a couple of people, who were pretty clearly willing to be quoted by their full names, who said there were simply no Arabs in the club, i.e. ZERO. So the earlier version with 5 beaten up or the later version with 50 beaten up…. it doesn’t matter really. There were no Arabs in the bar.

    The route up through the Arctic apparently costs about $5000 USD. These are not the dregs of society because the dregs don’t have that kind of money. It’s middle-class people desperate to get out. I came across other articles where people are quoted as saying that these people keep to themselves but in whatever interactions they have with the local people, they are very polite and cultured. These people never go into a bar there and start grabbing pussies. It’s just a lie. It’s not a question of being a Muslim lover or anything. The whole story is just a complete calumny from start to finish.

    You have shrewdly pointed to the absence of pictures as a major item of negative evidence that appies also to Cologne (but what about Tahir Square in Cairo one might object in turn).

    Well, uh, I’m a simple-minded guy. When I looked for proof of what they say happened in Cologne, I wanted visuals from Cologne, not from Cairo or from… Timbuktu. I figure that only photos from Cologne can prove something happened in Cologne. I have seen, at times, that you make some strange arguments, but I assumed even you knew that only photos taken in Cologne could be proof of whatever they say happened in Cologne, no?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  81. Randal says:
    @German_reader

    Yes, I agree it’s not in the mainstream (the closest it gets to that is amongst the US neocons and militarists who have access to the media, and borderline outlets like Breitbart).

  82. @utu

    Was it that Osama bin Laden was introduced in the morning on NBC by the future pro consul of Iraq Paul Bremer and in UK by Ehud Barak on BBC?

    Well, tracing the timeline on this whole OBL narrative is of some interest, of course, but it’s off-topic. The article isn’t really about 9/11 per se. It’s more about this deranged “Muslim Rape Army” nonsense.

    But this did remind me that I have some interesting timeline-related info regarding the origin of the term “rapefugee”. Actually, you can dig it up yourself. Go on twitter and find the first usages of it and it’s quite interest. You can do an advanced search and you can identify exactly when the meme was rolled out. Social engineering…

  83. @The Alarmist

    The MRA are too busy in places like Malmo, Stockholm, Cologne, etc.

    Dude, I can imagine this is going to come as a great disappointment to you, perhaps even exceeding when you learned that there was no Santa Claus, but….

    THERE IS NO MUSLIM RAPE ARMY!!!!

    Okay? It doesn’t exist! It’s just a cartoon. It’s a deranged racist fantasy. You really think that there are mobs of Muslim males in wide open public spaces with CCTV all over the place dragging off women and raping them?

    And that this is some part of Muslim culture, rape as some sort of exhibitionist display there… I see that you guys exist in an echo chamber where everybody repeats this nonsense and it becomes “true” but it’s just nonsense. Breitbart and Pamela Geller and all the rest of it..

    For example, look…. this last New Year’s, I had dinner with some people I know, a family, a middle-aged couple with a teenage daughter. The man said he had a job opportunity in Germany, was possibly moving there for a couple of years. His wife is still fairly attractive…. his daughter is teenaged. Hey, if the MRA stories were all true, he himself should worry… but nobody mentioned it…

    “Oh, I got a job possibility, but I’m so worried that we’ll all run into the Muslim Rape Army”.

    “Yeah, man, that sounds like a real pain in the ass…”

    You can go to any travel agency here, near where I live (in Spain) and shop for a trip to Germany for a holiday and I am pretty sure that the travel agent never says: “Germany is a nice country but watch out for the MUSLIM RAPE ARMY”.

    The government has never given a travel advisory, as far as I know, telling people here not to visit Germany because there’s a MUSLIM RAPE ARMY running around.

    The whole thing only exists in a racist right-wing echo chamber that you guys have collectively constructed. Monsters from the id…

    Now, there are crimes, sure. Even some rapes happen, but not en masse in wide open spaces like the main train station of a major city! There are 80 million people in Germany, sure, there are crimes, but it’s also not a dangerous country. You would have to be pretty unlucky for very much to happen to you in Germany.

    This is all just complete bullshit, guys. Get a f***ing grip.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  84. Maus says:
    @Immigrant from former USSR

    My professor of the history of modern philosophy (roughly Descartes to Kant) required students to write no more than 200 words about any particular concept. It is surprisingly difficult to write a cogent essay of 200 words unless you have an excellent grasp of the materials.
    Here we have 11,000+ words. One is tempted to apply Ockham’s razor to conclude that more blather indicates less insight. I was willing to credit the “pictures or it didn’t happen” argument; but to then push the line that pictures are routinely faked or doctored undercuts it.
    The author used too many words to beat this donkey into doing more than he was willing or able. Sad.

  85. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    The problem is that if you’ve got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It’s obviously impossible.

    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I’d take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his “if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos” argument about any violent event.

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    During violent events that are unexpected, most people are probably too flustered to whip out their smartphones, press all the right buttons, and begin filming away. I certainly would be.

    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I’d guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public. I’m not sure that more than a tiny handful are videoed and put up on YouTube, except, sometimes, by the foolishly vainglorious (and prepared) killers who want their fame on WorldStarHipPop. So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.

    Here’s a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?…

  86. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Hi– could you or perhaps preferably someone else post the thread where this occurred, please?

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  87. @Jonathan Revusky

    There are 80 million people in Germany, sure, there are crimes, but it’s also not a dangerous country.

    It’s admittedly true that some reporting, especially on US sites like Breitbart, about the situation in Germany is exaggerated…compared to high-crime areas in the US Germany is indeed not a “dangerous country”. However, even the official crime statistics for 2016 show a rise in crime, and asylum seekers are disproportionately criminal. And yes, this includes sex crimes, including especially vicious forms like random assaults in public areas and gang rapes. The absolute number of such extreme crimes is of course still comparatively low, but then it should be noted that those crimes wouldn’t have happened if their perpetrators had been kept out of the country.
    Regarding Cologne: Admittedly you’re right about one single allegation of rape that has been disproven (and I admit I had missed this specific story)…but such events always attract a certain amount of compulsive liars and attention-seekers who claim to have been involved even when they weren’t. That still leaves hundreds of women who state they were assaulted that night (ranging from “mild” cases like groping or verbal harassment to confirmed cases of digital rape).
    And mainstream media in Germany definitely wasn’t interested in exaggerating this incident (indeed they tried covering it up for a few days, and only changed course when that clearly didn’t work).

  88. @Jonathan Revusky

    Dude, I live in the heart of central Europe, and while there is no officially organised MRA, there has been a distinct uptick in crime, including a lot of serious sexual offenses against women and children. Many of these have been unreported in the national press or reported with very minimal identifying detail to ostensibly protect the alleged offenders, not to mention keeping an unwanted spotlight off the growing problems created by a misguided policy of opening borders to the third world. I know people who have been victims of this crime. No, that does not prove there is an army, but it is evidence of a problem of crime that was relatively unknown when I came here twenty years ago. My wife is always amazed when, in America, the evening local news has reports of three or four murders every day. The other day she noticed more reports of murders here. There is a distinct correlation with the recent migrant wave … that might not be evidence of causation, but you shouldn’t wave it away as fantasy because it might have been misreported in one town at the end of the earth.

    BTW, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Your logic is flawed, and also, it seems, your sentiments.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  89. Avery says:
    @Avery

    neo-Nazi Schweinhund.
    Stalingrad Schweinhunden Fertilizer Factory calling.

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

  90. Selvar says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    There were hundreds of reports filed with the police. Were all those people in on the conspiracy as well? I swear, sometimes this website publishes absurd conspiracy theories. I mean, Cologne denial. Really? That’s a new one.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  91. @Anon

    It’s under my last article. http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/

    Read through it and you’ll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @anonymous
  92. @Randal

    I’ve always just automatically dismissed “muslim rape army” stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media.

    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?

    It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing.

    They are “not based on nothing”. Double negative. So I parse that to mean that they “are based on something”.

    Specifically Cologne. What is it based on? I cannot find the slightest bit of credible evidence that anything happened. And I tried. What is the evidence that anything happened?

    This is not a question of whether you want immigration or not, or any of that. I said in the article that my general sympathies were with the anti-immigration position. BUT something like this fantastical Cologne story is a straight factual issue.

    Why are there no visuals?

    Why is it that a local English teacher (from Ontario, Canada) walked through the area where supposedly all this was happening and SAW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    Why is that?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax? https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    How come, if you try to figure out even where specifically any of this happened, you fail? It really can’t be visualized. Look at the space, or overall set of spaces, where it happened:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Tell me, where did all this raping take place? AND not any visuals? I tried my best to find the answer to these various questions and I ended up concluding that this was a hoax. I do not believe that there is any other conclusion that an intellectually honest person would draw.

    The Rotherham stories were not nothing

    Look, Rotherham is about a relatively small set of criminals of Pakistani descent in a completely different country. But that is an underage prostitution ring. I assume that all the sex in question occurred behind closed doors in seedy motels and so forth. And that is something that, unfortunately does happen. I have problem believing this.

    There would be a point of comparison if the Rotherham thing had happened right there in the middle of the nearest train station within clear view of hundreds of people. That is what is claimed with Cologne.

    The Cologne story is an entirely different thing. Just prima facie, this is a completely fantastical narrative. Gangs of Arabs just sexually assaulting women in a wide open public space with CCTV everywhere and everybody has a video camera in his pocket and there are ZERO visuals!

    The basic features of the Cologne story that make it so implausible are are not present with Rotherham. So I have no problem believing that Rotherham happened. It has very little to do with accepting refugees, since the people weren’t even refugees. They were a reduced group of criminals who, yes, were of Pakistani background. It’s a completely different narrative and this kind of intellectually squalid thing of saying that because Rotherham happened, that Cologne happened, conflating such two completely different things.

    But this is symptomatic of a culture of bullshit. Unfortunately, you’re bullshitting. The tortuous double-negative sentences and so on are, I think, somewhat symptomatic of it.

    Anyway, the problem with Cologne is that any serious attempt to prove to oneself that anything happened just ends up in a total dead end. Nobody in any of this discussion thread has produced any evidence for it whatsoever. And I am quite confident that they never will. They just keep claiming that it was reported by the media so it must be true. If it was not reported by the media, it would still be true because the media was covering it up presumably. You have to recognize when people have built an unfalsifiable narrative, right? If the authorities say it happened, it happened, and if they say it didn’t happen, it still happened, because the authorities are covering it up…. there is evidence, there are visuals, but the authorities aren’t letting us see them…. Bullshit…

    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I’ve looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    , @Randal
    , @Dissident
  93. @The Alarmist

    Dude, I live in the heart of central Europe, and while there is no officially organised MRA, there has been a distinct uptick in crime,

    You’re trying to shift the goalposts here. Nobody is saying there is no crime or even that there could have been some “uptick”.

    The Muslim Rape Army narrative, specifically in Cologne, is hundreds of women being sexually assaulted in a wide open space with CCTV everywhere and hundreds of people around. The whole story appears to be a hoax.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  94. @Selvar

    The only surprise about Cologne was that those reporting the assaults and sexual battery were themselves not prosecuted for causing distress to the new visitors, who clearly can’t be expected to know how to behave in Western culture. They come from an eye-for-an-eye world, and we’re expecting them to behave “do unto others” and “turn the other cheek.”

  95. @Jonathan Revusky

    The CCTV cameras are controlled by those who have a vested interest in killing the story.

    Again, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  96. @Astuteobservor II

    You’re missing the point. This guy was trying to dismiss what happened simply because far right people/outlets talked about it alot. Well, if that were true, why did liberal outlets?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  97. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron,

    Revusky is not talking about “any violent event” but an alleged series of sexual assaults taking place in and around a very busy train station and in front of the cathedral, all during New Year’s Eve, when there were thousands of revelers all over. These marauding Muslims bring to mind the violent flash mobs of ghetto youths that have appeared in various American cities, including Philadelphia, and there are many photos of the flash mobs.

    If there were up to a thousand sexual assaults that night, in the most public places of a city during a massive celebration, then surely there would have been photos or videos of at least a few incidents or victims, no? And what about the thousands of German men who were on the streets that night? Why didn’t they do anything? Didn’t any of the victims had her boyfriend or husband with her? Are we to believe that Germans are so passive, they won’t even intervene to an active rape in front of them?

    Linh

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Avery
  98. Even if the German government wanted to exaggerate the attacks, would evidence of rapes be made public? My guess is that the rapists didn’t film themselves, and I wouldn’t think that many people who weren’t involved would stand around and gather evidence. The women who were raped and accosted where probably picked because they were easy to isolate, and anyone trying to film or photograph would have been in a similarly vulnerable situation. Otherwise, the main evidence would be in the hands of the Koln police/government, which was in denial mode from the beginning.

  99. @Linh Dinh

    Revusky is not talking about “any violent event”…

    He sure isn’t. I’m amazed that someone would think that some random, isolated murder or rape, even in a public place, would in any way be productive of the documentation that would likely occur with a mass incident these days.

    JR is definitely on target with this one, and this is a well written piece that in many ways was quite clever and highly readable despite the length. However, he should have provided an abstract tho for those who were disinclined to read such a long piece.

  100. I don’t much care about whether Muslims are rapists or not.

    I think there are some Muslim men who act unruly, but THAT is not the main issue.

    Even if every Muslim guy was totally well-behaved, they are where they don’t belong.

    If I barge onto your property, my behavior is irrelevant. The fact is I trespassed into your turf and am effectively laying claim as a squatter.

    So, the very presence of large number of foreigners is a threat. It doesn’t matter whether they raped or not.

    This is where the Right has failed. They oppose Muslim Migration on the basis that Muslims are rapist or terrorist. Some are, but most are not. The real threat is demographic, racial, and cultural.
    Too many of these buggers will change the West.

    So, the main argument against immigration must be nationalist and race-ist(meaning the patriotic right to preserve homelands for their native ethnic groups), not behaviorist. It is their intrusive presence, not their behavior, that is the key issue.

    After all, using the terrorist-and-rapist argument, limitless numbers of Chinese should enter since they don’t blow things up or commit lots of sex crimes. But too many Chinese will turn UK into Chinatown, not Britain. Chinese said Brits had to leave Shanghai and then Hong Kong. OKAY. Then, foreigners must leave UK too.

    As for sexual threat, it is black Africans who pose main threat. And even though there are rapes and assaults, the much bigger threat is Jungle Fever among white women and ACOWW.

  101. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron,

    For a comparison to Cologne, consider the annual bull runs in Pamplona, where each year, many women are groped. If you google San Fermin agresion sexual, many lurid photos of women being groped (or flashing) will turn up, and if you go here, there’s a video of an assault from this year.

    Linh

  102. @Linh Dinh

    Is this guy just stupid or is he paid to write this shit and hold these opinions?

    Could be both. I’m convinced that most of those goons just write anything that they think will sell. It really doesn’t matter what they write since in this idiot society garbage sells.

    Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.

    No pride, no brains, complete moron in wacko world. And the beat goes on…

  103. @Ron Unz

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    Unpersuasive regarding what point? I assume that you mean the alleged events in Cologne of the New Years before last. I will compose the rest of my response based on the assumption that this is what you mean.

    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I’d guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public.

    Ron, from the article:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    I worded this quite carefully. I said specifically “in a wide open space full of people”. I have no idea how many of the 15,000 annual homicides in the USA meet those conditions. So you are pretty clearly engaging in spurious reasoning.

    But also, the question of having visuals consistent with the event does not relate solely to capturing the murder itself on film. If somebody walked into Grand Central Station and shot some people, I can conceive of the possibility that this is not caught on camera. However, the event does not end there. The police come. It is not certain they are all dead so the ambulances arrive with paramedics. There is some widow wailing… the whole scene….

    So the real proposition is that, also, none of that ancillary activity is caught on camera either. Nothing. It is not solely that no actual raping is caught on the camera in the Cologne event, but there is no visual of any distraught women going about with their clothes torn off, anybody showing up and trying to comfort them…

    Even just looking at the overall set of spaces where this could have happened causes very great doubts:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Where specifically did all the raping happen? Do you think any of these people insisting that this happened can even tell you where?

    A previous commenter, one “German Reader” claims that various women were “digitally raped”. I guess that means somebody put a finger in the vagina. I read that somewhere too. I was thinking about it. This allegedly happened on NYE in Germany, at night. What is the average temperature at midnight, say, on New Year’s in Cologne? So what is the typical attire of a German girl in the middle of the winter? How many layers of clothes is she wearing?

    I mean, just try to visualize this…. I cannot visualize the crime. It’s a summer crime, Ron. The girls now where I am are all wearing very skimpy clothing. If one were that way inclined, one could get close and do a “digital rape”. Almost all the girls in Cologne on a New Year’s eve are wearing blue jeans, I think, jeans of some sort… And they’ve got layers on top, like an overcoat and so on. It’s very hard to get your finger in… you-know-where.. I mean, seriously, it’s a real production!

    Look, maybe you’ve been busy and not paying attention, but I don’t think you have a grasp of the level of Islamophobic hoaxes going on. There are a couple of friends, two women in Germany, who have a hobby documenting them all. It’s called hoaxmap.org. The site is in German, but just look at the main page of the site with the map. It’s really very illuminating. Here are a couple of articles about it in English:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hoax-map-germany-refugees-1.3444503

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35542304

    Some of these false stories are absolutely extraordinary. One of them is that some migrant threw a toilet out the window because a “nonbeliever” sat on it. Just think about that…

    I mean, they are testing the limits of what people will believe. Just think about what a typical toilet weighs, even leaving aside what it is connected to! Think about how strong you would have to be to pick up a toilet and throw it out the window! And then where are you going to take a dump after that!!?? LOL!!!!

    I am wondering how much of your readership would believe a story of that nature? I dunno… a significant percentage. Needless to say, it is a hoax! :-)

    So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.

    Well, c’mon, Ron. You know, sometimes you talk down to people in an absolutely extraordinary way. You’re a smart guy, I know, but you aren’t the only person with a brain in his head. I know perfectly well that, of all crime statistics, homicide totals are likely to be pretty accurate, because you need a body and the body is unambiguously alive or dead and that’s that. Well, unless the victim’s name is Osama bin Laden, or a case like that, then I guess you don’t need a body! LOL.

    So, okay, exactly how many people were murdered is not very much in dispute, give or take a handful. I understand that, of course, so, for you to represent that you think I don’t understand that, is a bit silly, I find. It’s very intellectually arrogant on your part. Yes, you’re smarter than most people, okay, but the gap is probably not quite as big as you think it is.

    Anyway, the total number of rapes is another kettle of fish because there are enough dubious cases. Also, you can falsely claim somebody was raped but you can’t really falsely claim they were murdered. And many rapes can go unreported, so it’s very problematic. So you might find me arguing that the true numbers on rapes are different from the official numbers. But not homicides.

    And, then you have things like so-called “hate crimes”, which is a very nebulous concept from the get-go…

    Here’s a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?…

    Ron, the question is a complete non-sequitir and merely shows that you have not given the matter enough thought. You would first have to say how many murders took place in a setting equivalent to Cologne’s main railway station on a New Year’s Eve. That is obviously a much, much lower number.

    Also, as I pointed out earlier, the question is not solely catching the crime on film, but the aftermath as well. We should have at least have visuals of police showing up, paramedics…. If there was a mass shooting event in Grand Central Station, but zero film of police and paramedics showing up afterwards, then what? Would you think that was strange?

    With Cologne, not only is no raping caught on camera, but there is no video consistent with the immediate aftermath, some hysterical female being comforted or something like that. There is absolutely nothing.

    ANd there’s other stuff that makes one tend to think it’s a hoax.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    One of the most egregious cases in Cologne turned out to be a false accusation:

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    This was echoed all over the place. I had reports of this woman’s rape in my facebook feed. I noticed some months afterwards that it had come out that it was a total hoax. The woman was not even in Cologne.

    Also, it appears that some elements were trying to perpetrate a similar hoax the following New Year’s in Frankfurt but the authorities there squashed that:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    Now, finally, for a meta point, Ron. I have provided various different links above that anybody can look at and draw whatever conclusions. Has anybody debating with me here ever provided any evidence at all? Any link? One guy screams hysterically that I am “scum” because I am skeptical of this. Scum? At worst, I’m just wrong, that’s all. But what does all this suggest to a third party observer about what is going on in this debate?

    • Agree: L.K
  104. @The Alarmist

    The CCTV cameras are controlled by those who have a vested interest in killing the story.

    First, could you explain to me why the above is not a “conspiracy theory”?

    Second of all, what are they to do about all the people around who can film it on their cell phones?

    Third of all, don’t you see any problem with erecting some argument that is unfalsifiable? You know, there is CCTV footage so it happened. There is no CCTV footage, so the authorities are suppressing it for some nefarious reason, but the shit happened…

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  105. Avery says:
    @Linh Dinh

    {….and there are many photos of the flash mobs. }

    Really?

    Let’s see you produce pics or vids of the 40-60 teenagers who swarmed* the BART train and robbed the passengers. Obviously, BART CCTV captured the robbery, but for political reasons, the vids of the perps are being suppressed.

    I imagine the same thing goes on in Germany. Even worse.
    German government wants to maintain the fiction that Islamist invaders are not criminals. Wouldn’t they do everything they can to suppress any vids of sexual molestation or assaults?

    OK, then how come there are no vids from private smartphones uploaded to Youtube of the BART robbery?
    How do you explain that?
    The BART robbery obviously took place: right?
    So where are the vids?

    ____________
    *

    http://kron4.com/2017/04/24/hoards-of-crazed-teens-beat-rob-oakland-bart-passengers-in-apparent-orchestrated-attack/

  106. Daniel H says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    The video images of Lara Logan covering the mass mob in Tahrir Square do not indicate that anything was amiss. Out of view of the camera her body was being digitally penetrated, serially by many men in the mob. If this incident had happened in America, and the only evidence available was the video footage, a jury at trial would probably acquit. But tell Lara Logan that she wasn’t raped. After the Tahrir Square incident she spent 4 days in the hospital, and as far as I know she has been deeply traumatized and has not retuned to her job.

    Most of the alleged sexual assaults in Cologne on that New Year’s eve were alleged to be of the hand groping type. Such assaults don’t rise to the level of rape but they are traumatic, terroristic, criminal and offensive. And such attacks, like the attack on Lara Logan, will not be evinced by video evidence, shot from cell phones in the dark.

    Also check out this story reported in The National Interest, an established foreign policy journal.http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506

    The author, Cheryl Benard, went to lengths to interview and verify the stories of the victims of a wave of rape attacks committed by Afghan refugees in Austria. And yes, these attacks are occurring in broad daylight with citizens around who have intervened and prevented rapes from happening.

  107. @Jonathan Revusky

    One of them is that some migrant threw a toilet out the window because a “nonbeliever” sat on it.

    Yeah, that’s just the usual shit mainstream journos in Germany like to bring as well…”OMG, look at those dumb racists on their social media networks – they’re actually claiming refugees are stealing horses to butcher them!” (or some similarly ridiculous nonsense). Or at least they liked to do that in late 2015/early 2016 – since then the rise in crime clearly connected to the “refugee” influx has been somewhat too obvious (and confirmed by crime statistics as well) for such tactics to work. In any case it’s a transparent attempt to delegitimize criticism of mass immigration by selectively focusing on a few dumb or easily refuted claims by anti-immigrationists.
    Regarding Cologne: Why should this “Marcia Adair” person considered to be more credible than the hundreds of witnesses testifying to the reality of assaults in Cologne? Who knows, maybe she’s just an attention-seeking “antiracist” leftie and wasn’t even there. As for that lying 18-year old whose rape allegations have been disproven: It should be noted that the claims by that woman only came up months later, and were quickly shown to be false by police…the same obviously isn’t true for the hundreds of reports to police filed in the first days of January. Unless you can show that all of those reports, witness statements etc. are lies, you don’t have much of an argument.
    And all your ranting about “Islamophobia” really makes me wonder about your motivation…Holocaust denial, 9/11 trutherism, now claiming nothing happened at Cologne…maybe “USSR Andy” above was on to something. Someone should investigate your background, maybe you’re a Saudi agent of influence who’s trying to spread disinformation.

  108. John I says:

    There was a video released at the time of the Cologne rapes on Liveleak. The article is still available on Liveleak https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=afb_1452550701 also https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d72_1452603086&comments=1

    The video on youtube is unavailable now. I downloaded the video at the time it was released and still have it on my hard-drive.
    Is the video bogus in some way and not a video of Cologne but some other incident that took place at another train station in an Arab country? It is too bad that I cannot reproduce a link to the video but it shows a lady being attacked by a group of men and led down some stairs to be gang-raped. The walls of the building are grimy with graffiti and there is a sign partly in English and partly in Arabic. I don’t think that this scene in in Cologne because the railroad stations there are undoubtedly spotless and wall messages would be in German and maybe English. It seems that this scene while obviously terrifying and evil seems not to have happened in Cologne Germany.
    Who would have been responsible for the dissemination of this video and what purpose would this serve? There are massive numbers of rapes in Sweden and Germany committed by immigrants. I have read the reports on the Swedish news sites so I do believe that they are real.
    Then who is responsible for this apparently false information being released?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  109. @utu

    This case also exemplifies a typical crudeness of Russian propaganda machine.

    I don’t see this as having much to do with Russian government propaganda. The hoax did not have any cooperation from the local authorities or media. The local cops just went there, on the basis of some anonymous phone call, checked it out, and said: this is bullshit. A news agency, Flashnord, that ran the story initially (and that was 5, or up to 5 people getting beat up) ran a correction very quickly and then the other newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda pretty obviously sent a couple of reporters down there from Murmansk to check out the story. And they just wrote a sarcastic report saying that it was bullshit.

    Another thing I didn’t mention in the article was that there was also an article in TASS debunking the whole narrative:

    http://tass.ru/proisshestviya/2627076

    For example, read the last paragraph. It says that the Arabs pass through basically just keep to themselves, but any interactions with them are культурно, cultured or civilized, right? That’s the TASS news agency. All the respectable or official Russian news sources etcetera were mostly interested in just debunking the whole thing.

    Now, you had these various dodgy right-wing Russky sites spreading the story somewhat and then after it went viral in the western alt-media, some of those rabid Russian sites started quoting Daily Caller as the source for an incident that had happened in their own country! Somehow Daily Caller was a better source for what was going on in Murmansk region than Tass or Komsomolskaya Pravda.

    Somehow in the Russian nut-sphere, the number of victims went from 5 to 51 and they never batted an eyelid. That’s what I mean by the “Culture of Bullshit”.

    But finally, I see the main target audience for this as being Westerners. I think the manly Russians versus the girlie man Germans does create emotional satisfaction in a certain Russian audience though. Dmitry Orlov fell for this, ate it up with a spoon.

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com.es/2016/06/negative-interest-rates-are-coming-to.html?m=1

    Pretty inexcusable to fall for this when you’re a native speaker of Russian. But I think the target audience is still mainly the western audience, but they knew that the Russians out there would mirror it a lot because it has that manly Russian men thread running through it. But I think this whole notion of the Germans (as compared to the Russians) being a bunch of metrosexual faggots who would not protect their women — this gets a lot of uptake from the anti-PC alt-right types.

    People say I wrote too much, but there is a lot unsaid. You really take one of these synthetic bullshit events and really put it under the microscope and it’s got all these little subnarratives running through it…

    Maybe this could be a foundational paper in the emerging field of Bullshitology…

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  110. iffen says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck!

    Is it really the woodchuck?

    I thought you were in a decade hibernation.

    How’re those bus wheels? Still round?

  111. @John I

    iirc that video was from events in Cairo (Tahrir square?), it wasn’t from Cologne, and was quickly debunked at the time.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  112. @Maus

    Thank you. I agree with your professor.
    I.f.f.U.

  113. @German_reader

    it wasn’t from Cologne, and was quickly debunked at the time.

    If they’re trying to pass off things that happened in Cairo, or somewhere else, as being video of what happened in Cologne, doesn’t that kind of suggest that they don’t have any visuals of what allegedly happened in Cologne?

    Did you see this? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    If refugees are really assaulting women right left and center, why is there a need to perpetrate hoaxes like the above?

    Maybe you should think about that, though I suppose you think that only people who are “scum” ask themselves such questions…

    • Replies: @German_reader
  114. The whole thing is nothing special. In my young years and my dad told me about his there were a lot of things like this. I have no doubt that those strangers were beaten because it is always was this way in Russia. Actually, there was similar case in my life involving my buddies beating up Uzbeks coming to pick our girl with one of those Uzbeks later staying in hospital for 4 months.
    going to other guys place and picking their girls there and especially behaving the way those Muslims do in Germany.,… Bad, very bad move. Hell, one was risking a lot just going and dancing at other guys local disco. Picking local girls ??? Those guys must have been suicidal.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Bernardista
  115. @Jonathan Revusky

    Maybe you should think about that, though I suppose you think that only people who are “scum” ask themselves such questions…

    No, people who believe in delusional conspiracy theories ask such questions.
    You still haven’t explained the hundreds of reports filed to police for assaults in Cologne. Is this all the result of some extraordinary mass delusion or some deliberate conspiracy?
    This whole “Oh, why isn’t there video of the assaults?” argument doesn’t convince at all…if you’re the victim of such a situation you try to get out as fast as possible, you don’t stay to record it on your phone; also many people actually had their mobile phones stolen during the assaults (it wasn’t just sexual assaults, there was also a lot of theft). And it’s not even clear to me there aren’t any recordings of the events, they may just not have been released (I can think of many reasons for that, like not wanting to inflame tensions, protecting the rights of victims etc.).
    And once again: The fact that attention-seekers, compulsive liars and the occasional dumb right-winger perpetrate hoaxes doesn’t mean there isn’t a serious problem with crimes, including sex crimes, committed by “refugees”.
    e.g see here:

    https://www.tichyseinblick.de/gastbeitrag/von-der-relativitaet-der-kriminalitaetsstatistik/

    https://www.tichyseinblick.de/gastbeitrag/wenig-bekannte-fakten-zur-auslaenderkriminalitaet-in-deutschland/

    Or numbers for 2016 in the state of Baden-Württemberg:

    https://www.welt.de/politik/fluechtlinge/article166743220/Zahl-sexueller-Straftaten-durch-Migranten-gestiegen.html

    Are some reports about a “Muslim rape army” hyperbolic? Probably. But there is certainly a serious problem…claiming this is all made up by some conspiracy is absurd.

  116. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    By deception we shall wage war…

    Mossard or Islam?

    Correct answer is both do it. Check the Qur’an.

    All is fair is life and war.

    *ThatDamnGood

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  117. It was all going so well: the author debunked the Murmansk (Oblast) story. I was anticipating a conclusion about how the Russian story had been invented shortly after the Cologne attacks, describing a place on the known migrant trail, in order to compare the virtues of Russian men with their less manly German counterparts.

    But having debunked the Russian story, the author declared that by doing so he had also debunked the German one!

    A quick search on YouTube finds many uploads of the events in Cologne on New Year 2015/16, most of them copies of one or two originals. The quality of the film is severely limited by the lighting and the scene (even before faces were blurred for legal reasons). The people are in low light, but there is bright, often dazzling, light from shop windows and fireworks. There is a dense crowd, so it is difficult to see what is happening among people who are not in the first row in front of the camera. Typical mobile phone footage is here:

    The contemporary reports of sexual assault typically describe a group of men surrounding the victim and groping her, in a few cases proceeding to rape. The latter might include assault by digital penetration while the victim is standing.

    With the best will in the world, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above, that such attacks were not taking place within the field of view of the camera; or that detection would have been possible even if 100 people had been filming from different places in the crowd. This indicates a problem with Revusky’s Razor:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    “Wide open” must be qualified so it does not include “overcrowded”. The possible spectators must not have their view obstructed and must also have acceptable lighting conditions.

    With additions in bold, I suggest:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people but not overcrowded, with adequate lighting conditions and no fog, mist or smoke, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    or simply:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a public space within plain sight of a large number of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    There may well be a story about the exaggeration, even the non-occurrence, of the events in Cologne on New Year 2015/16, but Revusky’s Razor has not revealed it. I invite the author to conduct as thorough an analysis of the media reports of Cologne as he has done for those of Polyarnye Zori.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  118. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Sergey Krieger

    going to other guys place and picking their girls there and especially behaving the way those Muslims do in Germany.,… Bad, very bad move.

    Yes, and the fact the police said the incident did not occur may mean only that they shared the feelings of the alleged perpetrators — as seems entirely probable.

    And the idea that Mediterranean types would not be out and about in Murmansk in the winter is simply inane. There are plenty of Mediterranean types to be seen at Canadian ski resorts when the chill factor is 30 below.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  119. THERE IS NO MUSLIM RAPE ARMY!!!!

    Okay? It doesn’t exist! It’s just a cartoon. It’s a deranged racist fantasy.

    Of course there isn’t. It’s an utterly jejune concept no doubt designed to take the drooling classes’ attention away from the fact that the Bankster Armies are raping us daily, often in ways we couldn’t dream of in our wildest nightmares.

    While the fools get their tutus in twists over yet another fake threat, the usual schmucks keep hosing the rest of us as they’ve always done and as they always will.

    There are no pictures, but an excellent intro to how the goon classes operate can be found in Yanis Varoufakis’ excellent, page turner, Adults in the Room. For those who pan the idea of a Deep State, he calls it a Deep Establishment and describes its tactics well.

    https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/books/adults-in-the-room/

  120. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?

    I think the sentence is pretty clear. There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents. Is that really difficult for you to understand?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax?

    Women falsely alleging rape is a pretty commonplace event, sadly. Fantasists, paranoia and delusions, malicious attacks on particular men, blackmail attempts … It’s hardly surprising that this kind of news story would attract such.

    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I’ve looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn’t happen.

    Odd, because I did a quick search just now for “cologne sexual assault convictions” and came up with plenty of supporting evidence. Now I’m not interested in wasting a lot of time forensically examining the details of every story, because I clearly remember the reports at the time and I’m not yet old enough to doubt my memory that easily, and because it really isn’t at all surprising that immigrants, especially muslims, will tend to engage in this kind of behaviour.

    Here, for instance, is a Reuters report on the convictions of two men, an Iraqi and an Algerian, last July:

    German court issues first convictions in Cologne mob sex attacks

    Presumably these convictions were false, in your view, because you haven’t seen any video or photographic evidence of the crimes in question?

    From the Reuters report:

    The Cologne police chief was forced to resign and women’s rights activists launched the “no means no” awareness campaign after the attacks, which prompted a debate about problems arising from trying to integrate the new arrivals.

    The court said the two men along with a group of 10 to 15 other men separated two victims from one another. It added that the Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.

    The Algerian prevented a man accompanying the victim from intervening to stop the attack and asked him if he would “abandon the girl for 5,000 euros.” He was found guilty of being an accessory to the sexual assault crime.”

    Your contention is presumably then that such well known bastions of the Alt Right as Reuters, German women’s rights activists and the Cologne police chief all colluded in a plot to try to make immigrants look bad?

    And here, from the Guardian, is a report of a case where (unsurprisingly) the victims and witnesses were unable to confidently identify the alleged perpetrators (a pair of Algerian brothers allegedly part of a mob of ten who perpetrated the assault and theft, who had been caught with the victims’ mobile phones in their possession – clearly not enough in itself to convict them of any crime other than handling stolen goods, but there seems no particular reason to doubt the testimony of the victims as to the events in general, though you will presumably just say “pictures, or it didn’t happen”).

    Cologne sexual assault case collapses

    Here’s Breitbart, admittedly not the most reliable source in general, quoting some detailed statistics on the event in question which are sourced via a German webpage (I have no idea how reliable it is) to the prosecutor’s office. The linked German story (here translated by Google) also mentions the obvious reason why so few of the recorded complaints would be likely to give rise to successful prosecutions:

    Cologne Sex Attacks One Year On: 1300 Victims, Just 18 Convictions

    On New Year’s Eve, women in Cologne were massively harassed, robbed and sexually harassed. From the very beginning, legal processing had been difficult – the conditions on the square in front of the main station were chaotic. Often victims could not identify the perpetrators.

    By December, according to the prosecutor’s office 1222 criminal charges were investigated in the investigation complex, 513 of which refer to the allegation of a sexual assault. These include sexual coercion, rape and “sexually motivated” insults. 1310 people claim to have become a crime at New Year’s Eve victims, at 662 it is about sexual assaults. In 28 cases, an attempted or completed rape was displayed.”

    And especially for you, here’s a quote on Wikipedia (again a notoriously unreliable source, but hardly a famous bastion of the Alt Right, and far more likely to be covering up such events than needlessly giving them credibility), in which the new police chief of Cologne specifically refers to the video evidence you claim doesn’t exist (and its limited use in these kinds of situation):

    Questioned as to why the most perpetrators in Cologne are not accused of sexual offences but of robbery and theft, Mathies replied, “It is easier to determine on the basis of video images: That person just took a cell phone away. Than: He has fingered a woman. These pictures are indeed anything but good.”[47]

    It really is not remotely surprising that some young men in a foreign country and at the bottom of the social heap would engage in this kind of activity, nor that those from a muslim cultural background with very different public mores would be more likely to do so. It takes a determined ideological motivation to insist on ignoring evidence that corroborates such common sense in favour of pretending it’s all some kind of propaganda lie (and supposedly perpetrated by racists and nationalists, of all people, by far the most marginalised and excluded political grouping in the countries of western Europe and the US) just because you spot some exaggerations and lies.

  121. Who actually claimed that there is a Muslim Rape Army? I’ve often heard the refugees called invaders, and it is an invasion, but a Rape Army? I don’t think I’ve heard that one before. Even if there is no Rape Army, it’s obvious that there is a problem. The immigrants are unable and unwilling to assimilate, and there is some real animosity towards the West on the part of many immigrants.

    Also, if the U.S. government could cloud the issue of what actually happened on 9-11, I think that the Germans could also obscure what happened in Koln, or elsewhere. They certainly have reason to do so.

  122. @Jonathan Revusky

    As I’ve indicated in my first post I would allow for the characterisation “bullshitting” as something potentially damaging enough to object to but don’t think the Murmansk beat-up necessarily qualifies, given the idle irresponsibility of many journalists and waanabes on many occasions in many circumstances. Actually I think the best support for your BS classification here may be the plausible speculation that the reporting was non-government but not entirely random Russian jeering at non Russian gorlie-men by contrast with the macho Russians they were giving a boost to.

    Let me take the opportunity to suggest that you introduced your own counterproductive red herring and straw man in the expression “Muslim Rape Army”. Convenient and concise perhaps but it invites the response “Do you really think anyone outside the writers of tabloid headlines finds a place in their brains for “Muslim Rape Army” given all the connotations and implications of “army”? Essays on the use of inflammatory exaggeration and dishonestly distorting symbols and metaphors to enhance attention to a real issue are surely being written in many schools of media and journalism. Your essay makes valid points (particularly that absence of viseos and other electronic records should now arouse suspicion of fabrication or, as others have emphasised, intervention) but perhaps mistakes the true aiming points in setting up a straw man as central to the article’s theme and purpose.

    In the end your essay might best claim an honourable place in a school for journalists (and now of course Internet Journalism and other fashionable novelties) as a model of a careful combination of logic, evidence and imagination applied to a surprising story which could be important if true.

  123. geokat62 says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Read through it and you’ll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.

    No, Rurik is telling the truth. You’re the one who is full of shit. You actually owe Rurik an apology for threatening to dox him after he stooped to your level and gave you a taste of your own medicine. But you’re not man enough to admit it. You’re a pathetic liar.

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  124. @OilcanFloyd

    I was about to click on “Agree” but witheld it entirely because of your reference to 9/11.

    I came to look at the multitude of different highly assertive truther positions very late, and still without emotion, except rising derision and wry puzzlement. Like nearly all truthers I haven’t read much of the official commission report but I have learned the probable truth on key points from the absurdities of the truthers.

    Your post suggests non paranoid realism and rationality so, in the hope of finding just one UR commentator who enjoys changing his mind or at least entertaining possibilities I proffer

    1. Set aside the possibility of Mossad prior information and Saudi money adding to ObL’s own to provode the modest fonance needed for 19 volunteer highjackers because that, while maybe true, doesn’t matter one way or the other.
    2. Ask “who had far the biggest motive- perhaps the only motive – to get the US involved in a war in Afghanistam?” Clearly ObL, , who remembered what happened to the Soviets there and to Americans in Vietnam: by a margin of 10 to 1. (And the one could be the arms industry that just wants its products to be used up somewhere. Those wanting war in Iraq are hardly on the rationally discerned horizon).
    By the way ObL was the big winner.

    3. Wasn’t 9/11 ‘s multiple simultaneous attacks just an upgrade on established Al Qaeda tactica? Wasn’t the WTC already in Al Qaeda’s sights as a symbolic target (since 1993 or earlier)?

    4. If there was a problem about the weight of floors above a heat weakened set of relatively novel lightweight steel structures being enough to bring down the towers (and WTC7) wouldn’t the obvious person to say so be the structuaral engineer Robertson who designed the WTC structures in anticipation of aircraft strike but not for the effects of consequent high temperature fires? He didn’t but pointed out the architects were responsible for fire protection.

    5. Why did WTC2 take so much less time to collapse after the impact than WTC1? Obviously (mostly) because the weight of floors 87 to 110 is much greater than floors 100 to 110! Consider the alternative nonsensical beliefs required if demolition by explosives is one’s supposition…

    6. The clever plotters are so clever they can, with total confidence, defeat human error and arrange
    (a) for the demolition charges to be concealed in WTCs 1 and 2 (and 7!!! but that is loony toon stuff) at floors 78 to 86 in WTC2 and 95 to 99 in WTC so as to be undetected while being installed and afterwards, and so no compelling evidence of demolition or failed attempt at it is found after the demolition of at least one tower (NB they have of course mastered the technical complexities in demolition fromupper floors rather than the basement ;
    (b) for the highjackings to take place and both flights to reliably continue under whatever kind of control so precisely that both towers would actually be struck and in each case at exactly the right levels;
    (c) find a reason why it was necessary for the towers to have to be destroyed rather than just have a few floors destroyed and a few hundred lives lost if the aim was to start a war centred on ObL (not forgetting all round risk assessment);
    (d) be sure that no Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning or Russian or other hacker isn’t going to preserve and make public credible evidence of the plot especially since they have not taken the precaution of crashing into the buildings at weekends or maybe 7.30 am before many people are at work.

    Enough to be going on with…..Remember that the only alternative to the truth that Osama bin Laden scored a huge victory, magnified by the unforseeable monatrous folly and hubris of those who took advantage of one arena for folly to create a greater one in Iraq, is that someone or more plotters picked up on the need, courtesy of PNAC, for “a Pearl Harbor event” to somehow persuade others to produce the wholly incredible scenario I have derided above.

    Alternatively I would like to see more attention to studying individuals and small groups who have got very close to power without being elected president or inheriting a throne. Rumsfeld equals Rasputin? Maybe but Thomas Cromwell is closer (and eventually Henry retired him in the customary contemporary manner). Mrs Woodrow Wilson? Actually she provides the contrast with Rumsfeld as she had not held positions of power and influence from a young age and wouldn’t have been brimming with the sense of potency and rightness that Rumsfeld exhibited. Here’s a passage from Rumsfeld’s dream diary: “Frankly who needs to be elected as the pretty face without an idea in his head that matters , and programmed eliciter of standing ovations? Give me a mate like Dick Cheney, a VP with clout, access on demand, and the Defence Department: look out unfinished business, here I come. Who is going to be rembered from the George the Less’ years as the remaker of the ME with all that will have flowed from that?”.

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  125. edNels says:

    @JR
    I for one really applaud your version of BS… I mean especially with your …”short hand” .

    Revuski, please do more of this [short hand means to designate] from the crap.

    Believe you me Revuski, you are just scratching a surface.

  126. @Randal

    Very good stuff compellingly presented. Perhaps I allowed myself to give JR too much credit for drawing attention to the relatively new consideration that what one can often expect to support 21st centtury stories is the product of the ubiquitous smartphone. Odd that he missed some older presumptions that should apply in assessing events such as those in Murmansk Oblast. For example the motives of nightclub owner, local authorities and army to deny the truth if there was some sort of altercation involving young soldiers that got a bit out of hand. Plus “no smoke without fire” which applies for two reasons. First it is a reasonably accurate generalisation about observed reality. Second, fabulists know it is better not to rely on creating stories out of whole cloth when some existing truth can be pointed to or relied on as having laid down some preconception in readers’ minds.

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  127. @Sergey Krieger

    I think Sergey’s explanation is the most likely scenario, and CanSpeccy’s observation that the police probably were sympathetic to those who attacked the strangers is probably correct.

    It sounds to me that the denial was just a case of ‘What happens in Murmansk stays in Murmansk.’

  128. edNels says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Hi Blair Mt.

    I liked what you said:

    In other words, the Deep State is just another upcomming year of Mega-Corporate Power colluding with the Neocon-Israeli Firsters mixed into the rancid toilet of Cornball Americana

    Oh by the way I agree with the concept that: Let’s not us Nordic/Germanic/be further used or abusused… but let’s not continue to be… TROUNCED! TROUNCED!

    GET real shit heads! They will kill kill kill… your little ones…. / and other’s one’s too! no problem. Because them’s are ugly.. black and brown… ugly too? Get Real Bitch’s.

    I believe that most normal folks know that so much is done that is terrible,and we won’t support that, but that is fine and dandy… hey they don’t give a shit.. hence/ HENCE:

  129. For what might be thought of as a shorter, sharper and perhaps more sophisticated version of JR’s long essay this could be the alternative:

    Want to change the media? Don’t get mad — get even – https://www.ft.com/content/2ba2f132-6c18-11e7-bfeb-33fe0c5b7eaa via @FT

    It is by Gillian Tett in the FT weekend edition

  130. @CanSpeccy

    Yes, and the fact the police said the incident did not occur may mean only that they shared the feelings of the alleged perpetrators — as seems entirely probable.

    First of all, many of you would do well to read some of these web pages out there that outline the major logical fallacies — straw man, ad hominem, beg the question…

    The one you’re engaging in is called “Morton’s Fork”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton%27s_fork

    The original Morton’s fork is the tax collector, who, when he sees somebody living in a lavish style, figures the guy should pay a lot of taxes, because obviously he’s loaded. If the same person is observed to be living an extremely frugal life, he surely should pay a lot of taxes, because, look at how frugally the guy is living, so he must have a lot of money socked away.

    If somebody tells you that the police say this happened, then you’ll say: “Yeah, the police say this happened” and then if somebody says that the police say it didn’t happen, you say: “Look at how the police are covering things up.” This is typical of highly ideological people, whether on the right or the left. You end up creating a completely unfalsifiable belief system.

    As for this Murmansk story, it very very clearly did not happen. In particular, the version with 51 people and 18 of them hospitalized is likely physically impossible simply because the Gandvik bar does not even hold more than 50 people. Bringing up visuals of the site tells you this.

    The main phone numbers are right there on the little map embedded in the article. Anybody who can speak Russian can call the local hospital there and see whether 18 (or any!) Arabs were hospitalized on the night of 29 January 2016. I have not done that, by the way, but I am utterly confident that you could call any of those phone numbers, like the hospital, or Gandvik bar itself, and ask people about Arabs getting beaten up and they would not know WTF you are talking about. I am sure of this. I did enough work verifying that there is no need for me to go from 1000% certainty to 10,000% certainty.

    But hey, if you think I’m wrong about this, you can do the work and prove me wrong. Or try to… I know that you never will do that, because you’re a bullshitter and bullshitters will never make any effort to verify facts, but nonetheless, I point that you could do that. There are phone numbers and so on. These people only speak Russian, of course, but you just need to find somebody who is a Russian speaker to help you out. That is not an insuperable problem.

    There are plenty of Mediterranean types to be seen at Canadian ski resorts when the chill factor is 30 below.

    I never said that this was a decisive consideration. I simply said that it was just one aspect that caused me to doubt the story. I concluded that the story was false at a 1000% level of confidence by systematically researching it.

    In any case, your comparison is obtuse. The Arab refugees passing through the Russian North are not on a damned skiing holiday, for crying out loud!

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  131. @Jonathan Revusky

    As I now have to note in another reply to you your confidence is betrayed by a lack of attention to detail that is at odds with your intellectual pretensions.

    You have left out the caps from “Magic Bullet” without even considering (I say confidently as you don’t mention it) its evidence of his subtle self-deprecation. Clearly he wasn’t asserting “of course I know Kennedy just couldn’t have been shot by Oswald but believe it anyway”. That would have been idiotic and it takes a fair amount of idiocy or something comparable to suppose he was. More likely he was saying something like “I acknowledge all the controversy from self-proclsimed experts and the pathologically certain about it not being possible that Oswald shot Kennedy but kindly accept that what you call the Magic Bullet theory is, in the end, the most likely explanation and only possible one still standing in my honest opinion”. I would indulge the light ironic touch of his shorter version.

  132. @Anonymous

    Mossard or Islam?

    Correct answer is both do it. Check the Qur’an.

    Dude, Islam is a major religious tradition, with different strands and substrands. Sunni, Shia, all that — broadly analogous to Catholics and Protestants and so forth.

    Mossad is an actual organization, an arm of the Israeli State. It’s a real, organized entity that…. does shit. You could compare Mossad to the Saudi Secret Services or Pakistani ISI, or another organization, but with “Islam” in its entirety!!??

    I mean, only a profoundly stupid, ignorant person would make this kind of false equivalence.

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  133. @Jonathan Revusky

    If you wrote less and took more time and care to read, understand, and think about what you presume to criticise your posing as an intellectual whose superciliously expressed view that another’s arguments are at times “strange* would not seem as ridiculous as your errors make it.

    Your obvious misreading or misrepresentation in this case can only have proceeded from your egotistic presumption that you are right and everyone uttering something which doesn’t flatter that view deserves only your patronising disdain. After all it should not be difficult to understand that

    1. I was acknowledging not only that your “no visuals” point had merit in the Russian case but could have wider validity as evidenced (scil. on your say so) of the lack of visuals from Cologne ;

    2. I was qualifying that by suggesting that there might have been an equivalent lack of visual evidence for the attacks which undoubtedly occurred in Tahrir Square so that lack of visuals might not be as strong evidence of there being no attack as it might at first sight appear to be.

    3. I said absolutely nothing which could justify your twisting of my words to mean that what went on in Tahrir Square or pictures of it could have any bearing on what happened in Cologne or its visual representation.

  134. @James N. Kennett

    I was anticipating a conclusion about how the Russian story had been invented shortly after the Cologne attacks, describing a place on the known migrant trail, in order to compare the virtues of Russian men with their less manly German counterparts.

    Well, the whole “manly Russian men” versus the German girlie men subnarrative is very clearly inserted into this thing and its presentation. As for that being the main purpose of the thing, I kind of doubt that. But look, when you examine any of these synthetic events closely, you invariably see that there are these various narrative strands running through it.

    Like, with Orlando, it’s amazing. There’s the whole gay thing, there’s the whole Muslims hate gays thing, there’s ISIS, there’s Afghanistan, there’s gun control. I mean, you look at that, and you wonder what the likelihood that all these talking points would really intersect in one organically occurring event. The probability must be infinitesimal.

    But one does not know what the main purpose is. Always, there’s the negative portrayal of Muslims. That’s a constant now. But then this thing about the manly Russian men… well, they are hyping the Russians as some kind of threat, so maybe there’s a bit of that. I mean, the whole thing is silly. The reason to worry about Russia is that they have a massive nuclear arsenal, for example, not that they are manly men who beat up people in bars. That’s just silly. But there’s something about this, the PC metrosexual Germans as the flipside of that subnarrative… they must know that this is the kind of thing that Alt-Right people will just eat up.

    But having debunked the Russian story, the author declared that by doing so he had also debunked the German one!

    Well, that’s just a lame straw-man. I never said that. If you sincerely think that I said that, go back and look at what I wrote.

    What I did say was that both of these synthetic events share a common issue, which is the sheer cartoonishness of them. And the lack of visuals available.

    There is a general point running through various things I’ve written, which is the recognition of patterns in synthetic events. So, you can see that, with the JFK assassination, they have their patsy and the media is saying he did it from the get-go and so on. And then you can see that same pattern in plenty of other events and have an Aha moment, but that’s not at all the same as saying that the JFK hit being a Deep State operation proves that RFK or MLK were as well. (Though they were, obviously.:-) I’m saying that recognizing patterns really is a tip-off but I’m not saying it’s definitive proof.

    As for the video you embed, just watch it with the sound off and tell me what you see. Do you see anything that looks like a sexual assault? This is a classic trick. You post a video and you say it portrays something and a lot of people, I guess, will just believe you without even checking.

    With the best will in the world, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above, that such attacks were not taking place within the field of view of the camera; (blah blah)

    Uhh…. by the same token, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above that, somewhere nearby, I was having sex with Julia Roberts but that this was not taking place within the field of view of the camera…

    I mean, this is just vacuous, man. Sure, the video doesn’t provide any proof regarding what the video did not capture! The point is that the video simply DOES NOT SHOW WHAT IT IS PURPORTED TO SHOW.

    It’s a fraud and the whole synthetic event of the Muslim Rape Army descending on Cologne is just a fraud.

    I invite the author to conduct as thorough an analysis of the media reports of Cologne as he has done for those of Polyarnye Zori.

    LOL. How do you know I haven’t? Why do you think I say with such confidence that the Cologne incident never happened?

    Are you saying that I should have written, say, a 20,000 word essay?

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  135. @OilcanFloyd

    Who actually claimed that there is a Muslim Rape Army?

    Sheesh, only an utterly dishonest or profoundly stupid person would start with this kind of nonsense. OBVIOUSLY, when I refer to the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, I am not suggesting that anybody is saying that there is literally an army with uniforms, ranks, and insignia!

    … The immigrants are unable and unwilling to assimilate, and there is some real animosity towards the West on the part of many immigrants.

    Yeah, I understand that this is one of the talking points you are supposed to insert into any discussion about this, but the thing is that I made absolutely clear in the essay that I am not an advocate of mass immigration at all. So the above is just a straw-man, arguing with me as if I am a mass immigration advocate, when I’m not.

    I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year’s eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?

    NONE. I investigated the question and that means that I tried to find some real convincing proof and every path you go down just leads to a dead end, nowhere. It is impossible to convince oneself that this really happened.

    I believe that any intellectually honest person who investigated this alleged incident, as I have, would come to the conclusion that it is a hoax.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  136. @Jonathan Revusky

    Dude, your logic is really all over the place. Just because something is a conspiracy theory does not mean it can’t be fact.

  137. @Ron Unz

    Oh, here’s a separate question that is only peripherally related, but I thought would interest you. You earlier said that people (particularly blacks themselves) tend to drastically overestimate how many blacks there are in the U.S.

    I was wondering the same sort of question about this issue. How many Muslims do these white nationalists here think there are in Europe? The way they talk, they must think that the Muslims are close to becoming a majority or something, no? Here is a very interesting article on the estimates that people in various countries give of their own country’s Muslim population:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/12/14/most-countries-hugely-overestimate-their-muslim-population-infographic/#2a0dada04112

    Isn’t that something? A typical Frenchman thinks that his country is 31% Muslim and the real figure is apparently 7.5%. I mean, that’s nearly a 4x overestimate. The average German thinks that Germany is 21% Muslim, when it’s 5%. Again, a 4x overestimate.

    The average American thinks that the USA is 16% Muslim when it’s 1%. That’s a 16-fold overestimate!

    I mean, my feeling of the people I’m talking to here is that they are pretty deranged. I mean, okay, if you project existing trends forward a couple of decades, say…. but a lot of the rhetoric in the articles that you have been hosting would make a lot more sense if the Muslim populations were really far far higher than they really are. I mean, how many Muslims do the various ethno-nationalists think there are in Europe currently?

    I don’t know, but in casual observation, these are not very fact-oriented people. They have a culture of just repeating things and never verifying facts, and that is one of the main real points of this article. So maybe some of them think that France is 31% Muslim currently or something?

  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    lies

    This is what bugs me. The author is either clinically, genuinely delusional or he’s deliberately lying and insulting our intelligence in the process. Could be both, really.

    And he’s still doing it deep in the comment section. Unreal.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Randal
  139. Che Guava says:

    The article was so very long, so full of set-up dialogues with an imaginary friend, so full of your ‘I am so clever’ poor wordplay, a few about the town in the Murmansk Oblast, only that part is any good. and then you set it up to deny the rapefugee attacks, including in Cologne, sorry, your writing is full of shit, personal boasting, I have a good idea why it is, you are utterly smug as a Jewish person.

    Your writing is bad, you tracked one falsehood down through the ‘net, then you extrapolate it to say another among many others is untrue.

    Almost 12,000 words. What a waste of space and time to reading it. ‘Your’ concept of ‘synthetic reality’ is in no way new.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  140. @Jonathan Revusky

    Man, you are a verbose MRA-denier.

    First of all, point a camera at a group of rambunctious migrant youth anywhere in the world and see what happens to you. If they are comitting sexual battery, they’re almost certainly going to keep cameras out of range, which is why you don’t see videos of a full-on act, but you do hear from a distance the shouts of women screaming “No” and “You can’t touch me like that!” Again, not explicit evidence of a crime, much less a MRA, but a strong indicator that something is not quite right. You do see videos of migrants acting in concert in a number of acts, but no, not the specific offence you claim is a hoax.

    You are quite quick to call me a conspiracy theorist, but you have essentially said that several hundred women acted in concert to report sexual assaults by the MRA … sorry, the alleged offending guests. That strikes me as the mother of all conspiracy theories.

    The average temperature that time of year is about 4 degrees C, or about 39F … not bikini weather, but short skirts wouldn’t be out of order in a first-world city on New Years eve. Most western men would enjoy the show, but would play by western rules and only touch with consent, implied or otherwise.

    As for your conjecture that surely German men wouldn’t stand by and merely watch, enjoy this little gem ….

    I really enjoy the term MRA … it might not actually exist as a cohesive fighting unit, but the term pithily captures the spirit of the movement it describes. Well done, Revusky!

  141. Che Guava says:

    Tried to re-edit my post, interrupted by a phone call, but just want to re-emphasise that your article was so full of your overblown sense of how clever you are, and sickening repetition, the main points lost any sympathy.

    You also made a nasty comment about the lily-white crowd you found in photos in the nightclub. Why shouldn’t they be? They are living there. Find a photo of a nightclub in Nigeria, comment on how they are soot-black. Etc. You have a really bad case of false consciousness, both re. your own self-importance, and the lives of other people.

  142. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Revusky is a liar and this entire article is bullshit. I cut the image off his article and reverse image searched it through Google. The image that was supposedly a good example of a widely distributed but fake image of the London Bridge attacks. In reality the only results were from Indian and Turkish z grade sites. In reality the image is as likely a photoshop from a silly Revusky-like conspiracy site that has been picked up by incompetent third world hacks as anything else. Which is a good way to describe the journalist himself….

    It is pretty clear that Revusky’s main interest is more Muslim immigrants. Why?

    The link below may have expired, so anyone interested in proof may need to do it themselves. But just in case.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZis2WJU5bDakSmMXq5lu4Dya-dLbceKFw8bt_1OoT107429xhBThc0J5SzyBBT99pW9LnhWiZubdcWahXfWpLqBaJeMCHlBH69n9guwBubFwtvuhgcpoFElvQYoVxw3qHdooKTovRpeZ55tN2R8qzvthIDFStV377HMCiiAc0d6bwGz9Irg1YEe63Os88nmmano_1n9vpZJ1O6NCo5XVguLZOY-3tIeWXZBIPbKgm4ZJtjpd3EG8Yjrj9jF64yc_1aS7r1vt9rqZhClWTNbOF8bGAo1haz5tRo7QwsTHMw1PZDo-0pNA281jdAusd4V1CT77wVm8JdQ&gws_rd=cr&ei=L5F0WcLIDIOPgAbhipfIBA

  143. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Randal

    There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents.

    That sums it up. There is a German website, Hoax Map, that debunks wild rumors about Muslim immigrants, but it is true that Muslims are greatly over-represented in German prisons.

    Similarly, in France, Muslims make up less than 10% of the population but over half of its prison inmates.

    In England and Wales, Muslims are 5% of the population but 15% of its prisoners.

    In Spain, Moroccans are 1.5% of the population but 10% of its prisoners. They commit 18% of the murders. [Source.]

    These alarming statistics bring to mind the situation with American blacks, for they are 13.3% of the population yet 37.7% of the prisoners.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
    , @Randal
  144. @Anonymous

    JR seems to be clearly deluded, quite possibly mentally ill…total conspiracy theory nutcase (Holocaust, 9/11, Sandy Hook shooting and now the Cologne assaults as well…all made up according to him). There’s probably no point in having a discussion with such a person. Still, it’s interesting to see something like this on Unz review, just to see how deranged some people can be.

  145. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Linh Dinh

    P.S. As with American blacks, Muslims are tools of the ruling class. Their transgressions, real or hyped, serve this ruling class.

  146. We have a large percentage of Somali where I live. A car full of young men once followed me, creeping along until I cut into a one-way lane.

    I am neither young nor beautiful, and since I was out grocery-shopping, I was hardly dressed to thrill. These guys will attack ANY female who isn’t Muslim. If you are not Muslim, in their eyes, you are a whore. It is really that simple.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  147. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Mr. Revusky, I just spent considerable time doing just that. But despite the length of those exchanges, they shed no light on this portion of Rurik’s comment here:

    “when I first encountered JR on Unz, I was impressed by his intelligence and skeptical bent, and I guess you could say we often agreed. So that when JR was relentless about communicating outside of Unz, I very reluctantly obliged after relentless solicitations to do so.

    But then when I openly disagreed with Jonathan, and used the kind of language he’s so fond of, he threat[en]ed to ‘dox’ me (publish my private info online). ..”

    Nasty, if true. I would like to know whether, in fact, you solicited private correspondence and then indicated to Rurik that you might “dox” him.

    I, too, have valued some of what you have contributed here. But based solely on your articles and how you then engage with commenters (including Mr. Unz in this current thread), you have impressed me as vain and combative. You complain about people not focusing on the articles, yet you foment and prolong vulgar, needlessly personal arguments about who has mischaracterized what, ad nauseum. Does it seem odd that so few who engage substantially can seem to stay on your side for long?

    Please reflect on whether too much of your energy here feeds a need for attention, winning arguments, and creating and hurting enemies. By addressing the “doxing” accusation, you will help me to make up my own mind.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  148. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava

    so full of set-up dialogues with an imaginary friend

    I’ve noticed that too and my armchair psychologist persona is making faces and fidgeting in his… armchair. Let’s just say I’m not convinced that the author had an opportunity to bounce these ideas with too many flesh and blood people. Half the article (50000 words) reads like someone monologuing in front of his indoor plants and pet iguanas.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  149. @Wizard of Oz

    I only brought up 9/11 because it’s in the article. If one believes that the hijackers were patsies and the U.S. government covered for the real culprits (which is what most hard-core truthers believe), then one should also see it as possible that the German government would be able obscure what happened in Koln, which would be a much easier task that the German government would have every reason to perform.

    There is no way that I could know exactly what happened on 9/11, but I suspect that the media/official story is manipulated, at the very least. When I watched the first building fall on television, my immediate thought was that it looked like demolitions that I have seen. I know that doesn’t mean that there was a demolition, but I can see how the claim can be made. The Israeli movers and art students were also very suspicious, and the fact that groups of pilots, architects and structural engineers also question the official story, gives lots of ammo to anyone else who wishes to do so. I get why there is a truther movement, but it would probably make more sense to concentrate on the lies that were told to involve the U.S. in two Iraq wars, which would be an easier case to prove, and the cast of villains would be the same.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  150. @Jonathan Revusky

    Sheesh, only an utterly dishonest or profoundly stupid person would start with this kind of nonsense. OBVIOUSLY, when I refer to the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, I am not suggesting that anybody is saying that there is literally an army with uniforms, ranks, and insignia!

    I’ve never heard the term Muslim Rape Army before, which is why I stated as much. There obviously isn’t an army, but there is a very large, and very real problem.

    The fact that there are mosques and Muslims all over Europe means that the people coming to Europe are not assimilating, and have no desire to do so. I’m not sure what definition of assimilation you are using but I see lots of people who are not assimilating when I go to Europe. If they were assimilating, they would take on the culture and customs of Europeans, and live indistinguishably among their hosts, which is not happening in many cases. That’s a factual observation, not a talking point.

    I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year’s eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?

    It’s been pointed out quite a few times that there have been convictions, so something obviously happened. My guess is that the case files haven’t been opened for you, so you haven’t really investigated much. Have you been to Cologne to interview witnesses? My guess is that you haven’t.

  151. Erebus says:

    Having scanned the comments, I’m a little surprised that apparently no-one has suggested that the Murmansk story may have been planted by Russians themselves (not necessarily the Kremlin) to discourage migrants, or by a competing human smuggling mob who didn’t like the competition they were getting from the northern route.
    Those were my first thoughts when the veracity of the story was cast in doubt. It’s rather difficult for me to see any profit in making the distinction between the girlie-men Europeans and the manly Russkies, except to impress the migrants themselves.

  152. @anonymous

    It’s comment 363 in that thread:

    First of all, if you continue to insult me personally like this from behind the cloak of anonymity, I will probably out your name, since we have had private correspondence.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  153. Randal says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I think he makes some good observations about the impact of the modern ubiquity of cameras and video recording equipment and how this should affect our analysis of reported events, and also about the resources the internet provides for investigation of news stories, although he overstates his case. And of course he is right about bullshit, but misses the point that one man’s bullshit is often another’s clever and important analysis.

    And then he dives right in to provide his own portion of bullshit by insisting that “nothing happened in Cologne” when, evidently, something did.

    From my pov, he touches on the interesting issues when he asserts that the exaggerations to which he draws attention (and himself exaggerates) discredit the cause they purport to serve, and presumably therefore this effect outweighs any motivational effects the propaganda itself might generate for the cause it is intended to serve. He does not explore the issue, however, and I’m not convinced this is the case – as I observed above, as far as I can see the liars have been winning for decades at least (particularly ironic that a Holocaust/9/11 dissenter should fail to see this), and maybe the Straussians are right as to the means, and as to the end justifying the means.

    Odd that he missed some older presumptions that should apply in assessing events such as those in Murmansk Oblast. For example the motives of nightclub owner, local authorities and army to deny the truth if there was some sort of altercation involving young soldiers that got a bit out of hand. Plus “no smoke without fire” which applies for two reasons. First it is a reasonably accurate generalisation about observed reality. Second, fabulists know it is better not to rely on creating stories out of whole cloth when some existing truth can be pointed to or relied on as having laid down some preconception in readers’ minds.

    Yes, it’s certainly still possible that there was some minor incident that was exaggerated beyond credibility.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  154. Randal says:
    @Anonymous

    In his determination to insist that there is “nothing” at the root of the warnings about muslim immigrant behaviour and his use of the term “racist” as a insult, his writings reek of antiracist ideology being the motivating factor, though he is careful to explicitly deny this. I don’t know – the impression is that perhaps he doth protest too much, on that score.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  155. Randal says:
    @Linh Dinh

    That sums it up.

    So why is Revusky, totally implausibly, trying to pretend that there were no incidents, when patently there were?

    All he achieves is to set himself against those whose political priority is opposition to immigration (with whom he claims to sympathise) and ensure their hostility to his own causes when he tries to put them forward. Imo any deplorable going out of his way to attack the core issues of other deplorables is pointing his guns the wrong way. Time enough to argue about the details when we are not all facing criminalisation and exclusion from the workplace and from “polite” society.

    P.S. As with American blacks, Muslims are tools of the ruling class. Their transgressions, real or hyped, serve this ruling class.

    Immigrants (en masse) in general, and muslims in particular, are a battering ram being used to corrode the societies they are targeted at and make them more vulnerable to exploitation and radicalism.

    But that doesn’t make them collectively innocent, any more than exploitation of black criminality by elites makes Black Lives Matter the good guys.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  156. @Alden

    Alden

    Thanks for paying attention tm my comment on Le Carre” book, “The Little Drummer Girl.” To reiterate an important point, Christopher Bollyn discussed this book in his work, “Solving 9/11.”

    Author Le Carre frequently mentioned the Zionist intelligence operative code used against top level Palestnian resistance leaders. It is, “To catch the Lion, we first must tether the goat.”

    At present, the mighty U.S. Empire’s military is the planet’s primary predator. Such happened because Zionists “tethered” the American mind to THEATRICAL lies.

    • Agree: edNels
  157. @Randal

    Yes, exactly. Even more telling is his use of the term “Islamophobia”. Now there certainly is a lot of dumb criticism of Muslims (e.g. the whole “taqqiya” accusation which seems to be nonsense) and that can legitimately be criticized…but still, how could anybody who is supposedly opposed to mass immigration deny that there are very real and very serious problems with Muslim immigrant communities in Europe?
    So yes, just more of the usual “antiracist” idiocy (as if there wasn’t enough of that around already).

    • Replies: @Randal
  158. @OilcanFloyd

    Good to find someone who is willing to entertain weighty suspicions of wrongdoing by governments and powerful or influential people (which I by no means sneer at) and is still willing to keep an open mind on the big and small things that truthers seem so certain about.

    Your observation about immediately thinking it iooked like a demolition is doubly interesting. It is like prosecutions having the enormous advantage with a jury of fixing one story in their heads to organise their thoughts. First impressions can be so important and many people would be primed by spectacular pictures of building demolitions to see 9/11 as the same. But… ordinary demolitions are not in fact done by explosions on the 90th floor!

    Also it was the immediate first impression of the CEO of Controlled Demolitions Inc as related in a New Yorker story that year, as soon as WTC1 was hit and started to burn inside, that it was going to collapse even though he could see no evidence of demolition.

    It is hard to get at the truth of the Israeli art student story and, admittedly, I have chosen to take a conspiratorial view of it for my draft screenplay but that involves the art students being involved as a complete smokescreen for something (maybe some Israeli involvement relevant to 9/11 in e.g. recommending flying schools or giving advice on visa applications albeit just about untraceably) by being so clearly unconnected with whatever the smokescreen was willing to cover that in the end the FBI can only shrug its connected shoulders. But I suspect the stories are in fact exaggerated.

    It is when you try to piece together what clever careful plotters might have plotted and planned with the major facts that only loons deny that the various extreme truther cases fall apart. That is so even if the Israelis knew a fair bit about what was going to happen and lots of Saudis assisted Al Qaeda, not just ObL

    Indeed, I agree, the plotting to get Ametica to go to war against Iraq is the big subject for continued investigation even if it proves to turn mostly on Rumsfeld’s past experience, hubris and ambition, especially with Cheney to back him in madness that now seems equal to that of the German General Staff in 1914.

  159. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @German_reader

    Thank you. I quit before that point, thinking that I had reached the end of their exchange. The threat then seems to have ended the coda.

    I still would like to hear from Mr. Revusky, particularly as to whether he repeatedly sought the private correspondence.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  160. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Randal

    Hi Randal,

    I don’t think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.

    Linh

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @Randal
    , @L.K
  161. @Linh Dinh

    I think his point is that nothing happened. Isn’t he saying that it was all a hoax?

    “I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year’s eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?

    NONE. I investigated the question and that means that I tried to find some real convincing proof and every path you go down just leads to a dead end, nowhere. It is impossible to convince oneself that this really happened.

    I believe that any intellectually honest person who investigated this alleged incident, as I have, would come to the conclusion that it is a hoax.”

  162. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    Hi OilcanFloyd,

    Jon is saying there is no evidence of rape.

    In July of 2017, Reuter reported that an “Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.” That is repulsive and certainly a crime, but it is not rape.

    If there has been a conviction for rape from New Year’s Eve in Cologne, please let us all know.

    Linh

  163. @anonymous

    I still would like to hear from Mr. Revusky, particularly as to whether he repeatedly sought the private correspondence.

    I’ll answer your question, but first of all, I am curious as to why you think this is any of your damned business. Who cares?

    Do you think that Rurik or any other anonymous dipshit really has some sort of god-given right to be here under my article insulting me, calling me “idiotic cunt” and stuff like that?

    It’s a lot of work to write an article. Anybody can see that there is a lot of work in this one and the ones before it. Do you have any idea how tiresome it is to deal with cowardly little dipshits who show up and insult you like that from behind a veil of anonymity?

    Is that manly behavior? Does a man behave like that?

    You can note that I did not even complain particularly that he was insulting me, calling me things like “idiotic cunt”, but that he was such a little sniveling coward as to do it anonymously. So I said that, since I knew who he was, I would out him if he continued.

    Because that’s a big threat to a guy like that. He writes his passionate rants about whatever, but is terrified of having his actual name attached to anything controversial so he has to maintain his anonymity. Little sniveling coward. So it’s a big threat to him. He’s a total nobody, of course, so it doesn’t matter anyway, but he’s said some things about 9/11 and the Fed and stuff and is terrified of having his name associated with his own words, right?

    So the little coward ran away. Now he’s back telling bullshit about what happened.

    Now, to answer your question, the private correspondence with the guy dated back nearly a year earlier to just after my first article. I encouraged him to write me because I thought (mistakenly) he was a good guy. (In general, I encourage people to write me, if they seem interesting to talk to.) But none of that occurred with any idea that I would get the ability to threaten to doxx him. It didn’t occur to me that later the little bastard would be insulting me from his anonymous handle right under my article.

    I completely misjudged that person, thought he was a good guy. But then, you know, in private correspondence, I started realizing how limited his intelligence was. No understanding of the most basic things and seemingly no capacity to learn either. There are just a couple of things he understands, like 9/11, but he somehow doesn’t understand that if 9/11 was perpetrated to demonize Muslims, then there are a lot of other things perpetrated to demonize Muslims, so he believes all that shit. I had a moment of shock a few months after my correspondence with him began because I realized that he believed the whole Muslim Rape Army narrative. I previously thought that anybody who saw through 9/11 would see throught that.

    But then, you know, you see him linking Breitbart and all these other Zionist-controlled fake news entities that disseminate all this garbage. But then he is really against the Zionists supposedly…

    The guy is a complete brainfucked idiot. But anyway, since I answered your question, please answer mine above. It doesn’t matter and it’s all off-topic, but I just want to know what kind of assholes I’m dealing with here. Do you really believe that some little shit like that and the other little shits here have some sort of “right” to show up here and just insult me, an identifiable person, while maintaining their anonymity? Like that’s some kind of basic right on the internet?

    I don’t think so. Actually, Ron Unz seems to think so, but Ron, for all his intelligence, believes a lot of weird things, it turns out…

  164. L.K says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    J.R:

    Ron, the question is a complete non-sequitir and merely shows that you have not given the matter enough thought. You would first have to say how many murders took place in a setting equivalent to Cologne’s main railway station on a New Year’s Eve. That is obviously a much, much lower number.

    Also, as I pointed out earlier, the question is not solely catching the crime on film, but the aftermath as well.

    This is just part of the problem with Unz’s straw man challenge;
    The alleged mass sexual assaults taking place in Cologne’s main railway station on New Year’s Eve, in terms of the chances of it being captured on cell phones cameras, is a lot more similar with large scale street brawls or looting, than shootings.

    I mean, if you are nearby with your cell and bullets start flying, one is indeed less likely to stick around & film, even from a distance, given that bullets have a tendency to hit people even if they not so close to the shootout;

    If I’m close to a large brawl, I’m likely to stick around and watch or film it, as I have done before, but if a shootout occurs, no way…

    So, the thing in Cologne is more like if you said that there had been major brawls in public places during the Euro 16, but could find no footage to confirm it.
    Obviously, there is plenty, including cell phone made, such as

  165. Randal says:
    @Linh Dinh

    I don’t think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.

    Like all the best straw men, his target is nicely flexible so that however many examples are found of actual assaults by muslims at the time, he can always say “ah but that isn’t as many as the examples I’m criticising were claiming”.

    See the numbers I quoted previously from the prosecutor’s office: 513 specific allegations of sexual assaults. Undoubtedly some number of those will have been made up in the subsequent publicity, but neither you nor I nor Revusky has any plausible justification for estimating how many. His argument that “it can’t be that many or there’d be pictures” was weak from the start for the reasons pointed out, and has been effectively refuted by several posts on the thread. This was a huge outdoor event, with crowds milling everywhere, all sorts of things going on , and all the usual disorder created by mobs of youths in cities, especially immigrant and minority youths. According to the police chief quoted in my earlier post, there is video evidence, but it’s not clear enough to support convictions for sexual assaults. As has been pointed out, pointing your mobile phone at a crowd of rowdy youths in any situation is a good way to get beaten up and your phone stolen, and indeed thefts of mobiles seem to have been a large part of the general mob criminality in Cologne that New Year’s Eve.

    The fact is that there was clearly an incident in Cologne at that time that involved large numbers of criminal assaults, including sexual assaults, by, in particular, muslim immigrants. And it’s further clear that this is merely part of a wider problem throughout Europe where there is substantial mass immigration of, especially, muslims. Revusky’s assertions are (with emphasis added):

    Let us call this the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, or MRA for short. It really got going some weeks before, on New Year’s Eve, in Cologne, Germany. There, the Muslim Rape Army had gone unopposed because of the testicular deficiency of the German metrosexual girlie-men, who stood by while the MRA had their way with the local German girls, hundreds of them apparently. Somehow hundreds of young women were sexually assaulted in a wide open public space without anybody getting any clear video or photos of it.
    ….
    In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t.
    ….
    It is simply too self-evident that the MRA is a deranged racist fantasy. I am quite certain that nothing happened in Cologne and there is no Muslim Rape Army. Again, if something had happened, we would have the visuals. And we don’t. It’s that simple.
    ….
    And the people who fell for the Cologne hoax (and then wrote higher-order bullshit on the subject) constitute a veritable Who’s Who of the alt-right ethno-nationalist commentariat.

    He’s not remotely accepting that this was an exaggeration of underlying truth. He’s smearing the whole thing as a malicious “racist” fantasy.

    It’s hardly surprising he’s going to seriously piss off a lot of people who’ve seen that kind of lying smear regularly put about by the mainstream media in the service of the elites who want to promote mass immigration and cover up the costs it imposes on society (as he even comes close to admitting to being aware of in the piece, when he mentions “PC shibboleths”, presumably in an attempt to distance himself from said elite manipulation).

    Perhaps he thinks if he ingratiates himself enough with the goodthinkers by demonstrating his antiracist credentials he will be allowed to write in respectable publications. If so then he’s delusional. The elites despise “Holocaust deniers” and 9/11 dissenters like him even more than they despise the “racists” and nationalists he’s pointed his guns at with this piece.

  166. Randal says:
    @German_reader

    Now there certainly is a lot of dumb criticism of Muslims (e.g. the whole “taqqiya” accusation which seems to be nonsense) and that can legitimately be criticized

    Indeed, and most of the worst stuff seems to come from the US neocon groups and individuals, which clearly have a pro-Israeli and militarist agenda of their own.

    But even with their stuff, imo it’s not usually worth challenging these days, unless it’s too obviously serving the warmongering interests of the militarists and Israeli-loyalists.

    Wherever possible nowadays I prefer to let the pc fanatics and the neocon liars exhaust themselves fighting each other’s lies.

    So yes, just more of the usual “antiracist” idiocy (as if there wasn’t enough of that around already).

    Exactly. Revusky has chosen here to make himself part of the problem instead of being part of any solution.

    • Agree: German_reader
  167. L.K says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Hey Linh,

    I don’t think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.

    That’s my take as well. I believe someone like the journalist Marcia Adair, who was there, could certainly miss some relatively small scale groping, muggings, etc, but not anything on the huge scale that has been reported. Same with the lack of visual evidence.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  168. Randal says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Jon is saying there is no evidence of rape.

    He quietly slips back and forth between referring to “rape” and to “sexual assaults” (see for instance the extracts quoted in my previous reply to you).

    Another example of the convenient flexibility of his straw man.

  169. @Linh Dinh

    In July of 2017, Reuter reported that an “Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.” That is repulsive and certainly a crime, but it is not rape.

    The thing is that drunken Germans do shit like that on NYE. But it’s not a rape. But looking for visuals leads to some really funny things because they put up this chickenshit stuff and then label it as if some serious shit happened, like look at this one:

    “TV reporter is sexually assaulted live on air”. You look for visuals and get all these hits and you look at what comes up and it’s stuff like the thing above! Or it’s just this stuff of a crowd there and some people shouting but especially if you watch with the sound off, you see that the video just shows nothing of what it purports to show.

    Anyway, my view on Cologne NYE 2015/2016 is just that it probably wasn’t very different from the previous New Year’s or the ones before that. I mean some stuff happened but the whole notion that something extraordinary happened that was very different from any other NYE celebration in Cologne — I think that’s just a synthetic hoax really. In the discussion under my last article, half a year ago, I wrote the following:

    What I think happened via the New Years Eve allegations is that this is a very rowdy time in Cologne and other cities in Germany. There are drunken crowds out and there may well be some professional thieves working the crowds and a lot of various shit typically happens. Okay, probably some drunks do get obnoxious with the women and shit like this, but it’s all just various chickenshit stuff and probably no more or less of it happened last New Years than any previous New Years. So what they did is they took a set of basically organic events of the sort that always happen on New Years Eve and they wove a synthetic narrative about Muslim refugees going on a raping spree. They also sprinkled it with some actual synthetic events, like girls being encouraged to make fake rape accusations. Only one girl got busted for specifically saying she was raped in Cologne (when she wasn’t even in Cologne) but surely there are more. I strongly suspect that nobody really got raped — at least by any sane definition of the term “rape”. And if they did, it wasn’t right there in a wide open space like the main train station!

    That was my view half a year ago, and my view has not changed significantly. The above is part of a comment I wrote here: http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/#comment-1729338

    A few things happened organically because the NYE celebrations are raucous and there are drunk crowds. For whatever political reasons, the authorities had to pretend that some extraordinary thing had happened and they did a “Casablanca” type “Round up the usual suspects” and convicted some people of something or other and said that they had convicted people for this extraordinary thing that happened on NYE at Cologne.

    My guess, if you looked at it, is that most of the people convicted, where they say it was related to this Cologne New Year’s Eve synthetic narrative, it was criminal elements known to the police that were already in Germany. Principally North Africans. Just about none of them were Middle Eastern Arab refugees. You know the line from the Bogart film “Casablanca” where Inspector Reynaud says: ‘A crime has been committed. Round up the usual suspects.’ That’s one of the greatest lines in film history and probably says a lot about how police work really happens.

    And another thing that came out in the later months is that the authorities in Frankfurt stymied some similar hoax that they had mounted for the following NYE in Frankfurt:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    So if you read that article and you’re capable of connecting the dots minimally…

    • Replies: @Dissident
  170. L.K says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    J.R:

    “There are just a couple of things he understands, like 9/11, but he somehow doesn’t understand that if 9/11 was perpetrated to demonize Muslims, then there are a lot of other things perpetrated to demonize Muslims, so he believes all that shit. I had a moment of shock a few months after my correspondence with him began because I realized that he believed the whole Muslim Rape Army narrative. I previously thought that anybody who saw through 9/11 would see throught that.”

    That is all part of the bounded reality thing we once talked about.
    So, truth is, one cannot assume anything… like, I have this friend, who has a good eye for technical stuff & all, and re the holohoax, he figured it out it was largely a fraudulent story long b4 me, because, to a large extent, the technical issues pertaining to the gas chamber hoax just don’t make any sense from the official BS narrative perspective. So far, so good. Last time I talked to him about 9-11 though, he still believed the official story. Re 9-11, it is not only technical issues of course, there are many other angles that prove the story is false, but given my friend’s inclination towards tech issues, I thought he would see through the BS. He refused to even look into it! He is an American I have to add. It’s not even that he buys into the war on terror, he sees right through that as the fraud it is… but he seems to go along with the notion of blowback re 9-11, I think.

    Anyway, there are 2 basic strands of Muslim demonization going on;
    1. Muslim terrorism
    2. Muslim are rapists, aka, M.R.A

    Now, obviously there are Muslims who are terrorists and Muslims who are rapists but the way the whole thing is sold is complete BS, and there is a clear agenda behind that.

    In regards to the alt right, you are totally correct. They accuse the left/ liberals of dishonesty, many times correctly, but engage in the same practices themselves.

    For them, and i ain’t even talkin’ about the foot soldiers, but about those who are supposedly scholars, the “Muslims are an army of rapists meme” is just too good a story to be bothered by facts.

  171. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @L.K

    Hi LK,

    Now, metropolitan Cologne has 3,573,500 people, so at any city-wide event, there are bound to be incidents, but a sexual rampage with 500 victims, and all in a very concentrated area?! Besides the absence of visual evidence, where were the German men and cops?!

    I was in Leipzig at the same time, and between the Christmas Market and New Year’s celebration, it was a festival every night for over a month, with thousands of people clogging the city center. With many cops around, it was perfectly safe for all the drunken revelers, there was no crime spree, so the Germans are quite adept at handling large crowds.

    Also, every Monday in Leipzig, radical leftists tried to attack the anti-immigrant demonstrators, and the cops were excellent at keeping the two sides apart, with rarely a flareup of violence. German cops are tops, in short.

    Suddenly, we were told that Muslims sexually assaulted hundreds of women in Cologne, with all the German men and cops completely impotent to do anything about it.

    Linh

  172. @Randal

    See the numbers I quoted previously from the prosecutor’s office: 513 specific allegations of sexual assaults

    Look, what you and that other idiot German Reader do not understand is the most basic epistemological issue that there is:

    If something is impossible, then it did not happen.

    Look, let’s just break it down with a simple example, okay?

    If 500 people are willing to solemnly swear before God that they saw Frau Merkel walking on water, do you believe it?

    No, right?

    So why don’t you believe it?

    (a) I don’t believe it because 500 people is not enough. Find 5000 people and then maybe I’ll believe it.
    (b) I don’t believe it because I really just hate Angela Merkel.
    (c) I don’t believe it because it’s physically IMPOSSIBLE.

    Okay? Full points for answer (c). Negative infinity points for either a or b.

    Very basic epistemological question.

    So, it doesn’t matter if 5 people or 5000 say that Angela Merkel walked on water, because it’s simply IMPOSSIBLE, right? And it doesn’t matter if you hate Merkel or love her, because regardless, it’s physically IMPOSSIBLE.

    Get it? So now we can apply the same basic epistemological principle to the case at hand.

    If it is claimed that hundreds of women were sexually assaulted in a wide open space like Cologne rail station and there is ZERO visual evidence and I say I don’t believe it, why don’t I believe it?

    (a) I don’t believe it because there aren’t enough people who say they saw it.
    (b) I don’t believe it because I love Muslims so much.
    (c) I don’t believe it because the narrative, to all intents and purposes is IMPOSSIBLE.

    Again, full points for answer (c) and negative infinity for the other two answers.

    You see, if what is being claimed is impossible, then it doesn’t matter how many people say they saw it or whatever. There is a significant segment of the population that will say ANYTHING for a few bucks. So you have some woman claiming that she was gang raped by Arabs in Cologne and finally admitting she was not even in Cologne, right?

    Or you have this little Jezebel in training, 13 year old girl says she was kidnapped by dirty Ay-rabs, raped for 30 hours straight, because those Ay-rabs are big consumers of viagra… it was a total pain in the ass….

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/31/teenage-girl-made-up-migrant-claim-that-caused-uproar-in-germany

    BUT…. it was bullshit….

    What I am saying in the article is that this Revusky’s Razor thing is a well motivated tool to slice through bullshit. It is a simple application really of the most basic epistemological issue enunciated above, that if something is impossible, it simply did not happen. So it doesn’t matter if 534 people claim they saw a flying pig. It really just does not matter.

    An event of the scale claimed in a wide open space at the beginning of 2016 simply cannot produce ZERO VISUALS. Okay?

    You guys have to deal with this basic aspect of reality. This is what my article was about: RECLAIMING REALITY.

    This should not be an ideological question. If something is not possible, it did not happen and you guys can insult me and call me “scum” from behind a veil of anonymity and do all the other despicable shit you do, but it doesn’t change reality one bit. Things that are simply impossible DID NOT HAPPEN!

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @Erebus
  173. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    any of your damned business
    anonymous dipshit
    cowardly little dipshits
    Is that manly behavior
    Does a man behave like that
    little sniveling coward
    I would out him if he continued.
    Little sniveling coward
    He’s a total nobody
    little coward
    little bastard
    how limited his intelligence was
    no capacity to learn
    a complete brainfucked idiot
    I just want to know what kind of assholes I’m dealing with here
    little shit
    little shits

    Is this a meltdown? I think it’s a meltdown.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @Rurik
  174. pensword says:
    @Chris Bridges

    The simple truth is that the rape of non-Muslim women is a well-established tradition in Islam

    Liar.

  175. @Randal

    He’s not remotely accepting that this was an exaggeration of underlying truth.

    Well, okay, this is the Elie Wiesel “There are true stories that didn’t happen” shtick.

    He’s smearing the whole thing as a malicious “racist” fantasy.

    Well, whatever. You guys desperately want to believe this story. Why? One might think you’d be relieved to learn that hundreds of German girls were not sexually assaulted on New Year’s Eve in Cologne. But no, you absolutely need to believe it and become enraged if somebody just points out to you that there is ZERO real evidence that any of it happened. So WTF?

    It is obvious that you believe it because you want to believe it. As for that being “racism”, well, I think it is. Your desire to believe this story is based in a mindset that really is traditionally known as RACISM. I cannot state with absolute certainty what goes on in another person’s mind, but that’s the most basic explanation.

    Anyway, as for the notion that something of much smaller scale happened, well, I don’t even see much grounds for that even. I looked into the Murmansk story and noted that the story started with 5 Arabs getting beaten up and got blown up into 51, a number that is not even feasible given the physical size of the place it was supposed to happen.

    One could think that 5 people were really beaten up and some over-eager person blew it up to 50, but I investigated it and established to a pretty high level of confidence that the true number is ZERO.

    Your idea is that if there is smoke, there must be some fire, except that could be true or not. In that case of Murmansk, there was not any fire at all. There were simply no Arabs in the club on the night in question. Period. End of story. There are people giving their full names going on record, who have no conceivable motive to lie.

    It is not that there are no visuals for hundreds of women being assaulted in Cologne on NYE. There are not visuals for even a single woman being assaulted, so there is no particular reason to believe that even a single woman was sexually assaulted. The only reason to think so is simply that there is a baseline of organic sort of stuff that happens every NYE and so one would think that about the average amount of it happened, that’s all.

    But regardless, the whole story that some massive, extraordinary event, with mass sexual assaults happened there — this is clearly false and you guys really ought to get a grip and realize that.

    Also, you frequently talk as if the onus is on me to prove the negative. But no, the onus is on you guys to prove that something happened!

    And what you have is this trick being used, where they embed a video and claim that the video shows something and then you watch the video, in particular with the sound off, so there’s no distraction, and you just see that they’re trying to pull a snow job.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4036668/No-touch-New-footage-Cologne-sex-attacks-reveals-women-screamed-attackers-police-realise-powerless-stop-them.html

    Just watch the video in that article. It shows absolutely nothing. This is a clear attempt to hoax the public.

    This article is from nearly a year after the alleged event, so there was nearly an entire year for some video that was on somebody’s cell phone to come to light. And this is what they have to show us. So they have nothing. It’s a hoax.

    I know you guys so much want to believe that there’s a Muslim Rape Army, but sorry, there is none, okay? And then resorting to the pathetic straw-man that I am claiming that no Muslim ever commits a crime, that just pathetic. The point is that the Muslim Rape Army narrative is bullshit. Moreover, it is such total bullshit that, once I realize that somebody believes that, it is practically impossible to take the person seriously intellectually afterwards. This is people in serious need of some reality reclamation.

    • Replies: @Randal
  176. @Randal

    Yes, it’s certainly still possible that there was some minor incident that was exaggerated beyond credibility.

    Uhh, actually it is NOT possible. There was no major OR minor incident. It is completely clear that absolutely nothing happened.

    Given the information that I have outlined in the above article, the only reason to believe that anything happened up there in Polyarnye Zori on the night in question is because one wants to believe it.

    • Replies: @utu
  177. @Lemurmaniac

    what point? it is just a single point out of this entire super long article :)

    you are missing all other points. you went emo the moment he mentioned far right :)

  178. RobinG says:
    @Linh Dinh

    “……licking her on her face against her will.”

    Dankheart: Trump vs CNN Braveheart Meme

  179. @Rosamond Vincy

    A car full of young men once followed me, creeping along until I cut into a one-way lane.

    Holy shit! A genuine close encounter with the dreaded Muslim Rape Army!!!!

    From your description, it sounds to me like one of the elite units, made up of young men who are specially selected for a certain… ahem… physical characteristic…

    These guys will attack ANY female

    Holy shit! And then what?!

    Oh, nothing happened, eh?

    Well, my take on this is that they were going to grab your pussy but then had second thoughts because they feared that they might end up grabbing onto something else instead…

    • LOL: L.K
    • Replies: @Rosamund Vincy
    , @Rurik
  180. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    If something is impossible, then it did not happen.

    Hopefully you are in reality capable of understanding, or will be when you calm down perhaps, that just because in your opinion it’s unlikely that 500 people could be sexually assaulted, amongst rowdy crowds of tens or hundreds of thousands of people in a big city over the course of an evening, without clear pictures emerging, that doesn’t make it impossible. That’s, to use your phrase, a very basic epistemological question.

    We aren’t talking about gangs of men holding women at gunpoint and leading them off to be raped, or about women being thrown down and mounted on the pavement. Here’s an example of the kind of event that probably makes up the vast majority of the incidents that gave rise to those criminal allegations, reported in the Guardian a few days later:

    Among the increasing number of victims who came forward to tell their accounts of what had happened to them, Michelle, 18, told the station NTV how she had suddenly been surrounded by 20 to 30 men.

    “We were a group of 11 people. We held hands – simply desperate that none of us would get torn away – the men were in front of us. They groped us and we tried our best to get away as soon as possible.” Only afterwards did some of them realise their mobile phones had been stolen.

    That’s potentially 11 criminal sexual assaults right there – all over in a few seconds, in the midst of huge milling crowds, probably looking like a bit of harmless fun to bystanders unless they were paying close attention, and not showing up clearly as anything special on the cctv systems, as the new police chief explained in the quote referred to you above.

    Other incidents were doubtless more serious, like the ones quoted previously, such as face licking, or the references in police reports described here:

    In most cases, there were groups of more than nine perpetrators, in one case even 100 men. The procedure was the same everywhere. Single women were encircled and joined to breasts, buttocks, and between the legs. In several cases, fingers were inserted into the vagina. In Hamburg, especially women with skirt were victimized; Partly pantyhose and panties were torn. The offenses are about sexual coercion, rape, insult, and partly about theft mainly of mobile phones.

    Of the 62 offenders known at the end of February, “mostly refugees / asylum seekers and persons with migration background” were identified as suspects.

    That’s from a Google translation of a Die Welt story quoting a Bundeskriminalamt report in June 2016 on the events in Cologne and in several other German cities:

    Polizeiversagen bestärkte die Kölner Sex-Täter

    It’s not in the slightest implausible imo that a thousand or more such events could occur over a long evening in a crowded city centre without clear video evidence emerging.

    These are certainly the kinds of events that can occur with groups of rowdy youths anywhere, but the point is that the perpetrators on this occasion were overwhelmingly muslim immigrants, and the numbers were high enough to be regarded by the victims and by the citizens as unusually and unacceptably high, to the extent that the Cologne police chief was suspended a few days afterwards because the scale of criminal activity and police loss of control there was regarded as having been unacceptable.

    My guess, if you looked at it, is that most of the people convicted, where they say it was related to this Cologne New Year’s Eve synthetic narrative, it was criminal elements known to the police that were already in Germany. Principally North Africans. Just about none of them were Middle Eastern Arab refugees.

    The vast majority were never convicted or even prosecuted because it’s very difficult to identify the perpetrators and convict in these kinds of events, unless they are apprehended immediately. I don’t know why you think the distinction between North Africans and ME immigrants is suddenly important (they’re almost all muslims), but Wikipedia reports:

    On 8 January, the Federal Ministry of the Interior acknowledged that two-thirds of the suspects checked by the Federal Police—who are responsible for the railways and railway stations in Germany—in Cologne were asylum seekers. The same report stated that 31 suspects were identified by name, including 18 asylum seekers. In total, the suspects were nine Algerians, eight Moroccans, four Syrians, five Iranians, two Germans, an Iraqi, a Serb, and an American.

    As for where you get this literally delusional idea that it could be some kind of organised attempt to smear muslims, are you really totally ignorant of the reality that:

    The government of Germany is desperate to smooth over mass immigration to Germany and the reports of migrant misbehaviour were a disaster for them

    The opposition in Germany is even more desperate to cover up these kinds of events

    The local government in Cologne was and is likewise pro-immigration and desperately politically correct

    The mainstream media is so desperate to cover up these kinds fo reports that, as the Guardian report I linked previously notes: “Germany’s public broadcaster, ZDF, was forced to apologise for its decision not to report on the attacks until Tuesday, four days after they had occurred”

    Just who do you imagine somehow orchestrated this event and its coverage so cunningly that Germany’s government, political opposition, and the local government in Cologne have been unable, with all the resources of the state and intelligence organs together with an enthusiastically compliant media at their disposal, to catch them at it?

    The truth is that there has been a consistent establishment attempt to cover up and downplay these events, for reasons of political correctness, antiracist ideology and the desperate protection of mass immigration to maintain short term corporate profits, which you for whatever reason have chosen to try to assist.

    Presumably you are proud of yourself, but hopefully you aren’t foolish enough to expect any favours in return from the said establishment.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  181. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So, why is Unz tolerating Jonathan Revusky?

    Leaving aside the obvious mental instability, Revusky has used a threat of doxing to intimidate a commenter into silence. What am I missing? This was clearly immoral (and likely illegal).

    Didn’t CNN do the same recently:

    • Agree: German_reader
  182. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You have turned out to be a great disappointment, Revusky. When I read your first article I was enthused but every subsequent article was reducing the credit of trust I gave you until it ended up in red. I still can’t put a finger on what is actually wrong with you. It seems that you lack some faculty that is responsible for the sense of proportion and harmony. I still give you a benefit of doubt that you do what you do in a good faith and not because there are, as some here think, some hidden motives and agendas though I am wondering how come an intelligent and articulate man like yourself can be such an idiot.

    Don’t you have any friends who you could use to bounce off your ideas from? You badly need an editor. And what about Linh Dinh? Where was he? Why did he permit you publishing this 11,300 words long piece self indulgent masturbation?. Perhaps he is not really your friend.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Dissident
  183. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Well, okay, this is the Elie Wiesel “There are true stories that didn’t happen” shtick.

    No, it isn’t. It’s the “there is a problem with the behaviour of muslim immigrants which is sometimes exaggerated by opponents of muslim immigration” shtick.

    Do you really not understand the point?

    Your idea is that if there is smoke, there must be some fire

    That was Wizard of Oz’s idea, not mine, so I’ll let him take that up with you. Personally I’m not interested in the Murmansk story, but in your attempt to pretend that the story of Cologne somehow isn’t the establishment covering up for the mass immigration it profits from and/or sees as ideologically or politically useful, but rather some kind of magical plot by the marginalised, politically excluded and powerless “racists” and nationalists of Germany.

    It is not that there are no visuals for hundreds of women being assaulted in Cologne on NYE. There are not visuals for even a single woman being assaulted, so there is no particular reason to believe that even a single woman was sexually assaulted. The only reason to think so is simply that there is a baseline of organic sort of stuff that happens every NYE and so one would think that about the average amount of it happened, that’s all.

    So there’s a “baseline of organic stuff that happens every NYE” which you are prepared to accept happens without any video evidence of it, but you think that the absence of video evidence makes it “impossible” (no, I think you wrote IMPOSSIBLE) that there were larger numbers of similar events perpetrated by muslim immigrants in 2015.

    And you think the numbers were no different from previous years, despite the suspension of the Cologne police chief a few days afterwards precisely because the disorder and lack of police control on this occasion was regarded as unacceptable? No, wait a minute, it must be that there were much greater numbers than usual, but they were perpetrated by indigenous Germans, and the victims just lied that they were African/ME immigrants because they are racists. Yes, that might do it, eh?

  184. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    “I am curious as to why you think this is any of your damned business. Who cares?”

    Don’t you remember? Back upthread (#93), you invited the readership to review a previous volume of your interactions with Rurik: “Read through it and you’ll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.” Having (eventually, with another reader’s assistance) done so, it is my interpretation of that record that he did no such thing.

    Please do consider my other points about your behavior and motives here.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  185. Eagle Eye says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Marx was totally nuts, and the results of his rube-goldberg “Teachings” are still reverberating to this day, as the complete US edumacation system is populated by professor loonies who propagate this shiot,

    The real aim and genius of Marx was that he invented a RELIGION dressed up as pseudo-scientific theory. Karl’s RELIGION weaponized existing malcontents into a powerful global CULT by latching onto subconscious longings and emotions.

    In time, Karl’s cult acquired a multi-national, closely networked higher priesthood as superstructure, a lower, localized priesthood of mainly female busybodies, and the usual vast herd of rank-and-file religious adepts who prize mental and emotional comfort above all.

    they are assuming that because this abberation is beyond their own comprehension, it THEREFORE must be valid and true.

    Excellent point. The motto of the boob-tube watcher: “I can’t make head nor tail of it, so it must be true.” In fact, this may not be a bad survival heuristic if one’s IQ is 90 (and for many of us in some situations – do you really want to learn and UNDERSTAND the ins and outs of IRS rules before you file your tax return? Basic aerodynamics before you fly the next time?)

  186. @anonymous

    Hey, I answered your question even though, come to think of it, I have no obligation to, or any reason to….

    Yet, I ask you my question, which is whether you think that some anonymous commenter has some sort of god-given right to call me or any identifiable person things like “idiotic cunt” and so forth?

    How do you have the nerve to demand answers to questions and then refuse to answer my perfectly reasonable question?

    Please do consider my other points about your behavior and motives here.

    But… who the hell do you think you are, making comments about MY behavior and blah blah. You’re quite literally a NOBODY.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  187. @Randal

    in your opinion it’s unlikely that 500 people could be sexually assaulted, amongst rowdy crowds of tens or hundreds of thousands of people in a big city over the course of an evening, without clear pictures emerging, that doesn’t make it impossible.

    Well, okay, fine, and maybe Frau Merkel can walk on water. I don’t think so but that’s just my opinion, okay.

    We can’t keep going on like this because it goes nowhere. You keep insisting: “all these people say this happened” and my response is always going to be the same, which is that there is ZERO visual evidence that corresponds to what they are saying happened.

    A key point in the article is that the world, due to all the technological developments, is increasingly “in front of one’s nose”, and you will more and more often be faced with this fundamental dilemma: do you believe what is in front of your nose, or do you believe the narrative that they are offering you?

    The utter lack of any visual evidence for what they are saying happened is what is in front of my nose. And I have made the decision to go with that.

    You can, if you want, keep believing what they tell you. If they tell you something happened and all the visuals available on the internet say that it didn’t happen basically, just keep believing them. Your choice…

    The hope I expressed in the article is that people will, more and more, choose to believe in what they see (or don’t see). That is the only hope maybe. And that has nothing to do with liking Muslims or not, which is still just a more peripheral issue for me. I’m not an advocate of mass immigration, but I don’t share the primal fear and loathing of Muslims that you guys have.

    And, for you, that makes me scum or whatever. I have to hate Muslims as much as you do. And I have to believe these silly hoax stories, even believe in an absurd Muslim Rape Army, hoaxes that even a child ought to be able to see through.

    You and the German Reader guy, and unfortunately utu, you guys are just head cases finally and I think any sane third party reading my exchanges with you guys would end up drawing that conclusion.

    • LOL: German_reader
    • Replies: @Randal
    , @Dissident
  188. If they tell you something happened and all the visuals available on the internet say that it didn’t happen basically, just keep believing them.

    Is there actually visual proof on the internet that you exist? How can we know that you’re not a hoax yourself? Given your “unorthodox” views and your rather odd behaviour in the comments sections, it could well be that “Jonathan Revusky” is just some elaborate prank, or intentional disinformation.

    You and the German Reader guy, and unfortunately utu, you guys are just head cases finally and I think any sane third party reading my exchanges with you guys would end up drawing that conclusion.

    I think that’s rather unlikely.

  189. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Mr. Revusky,

    You asked me several questions; I answered the first, as those which followed seemed more rhetorical.

    But if you now want to know “whether [I] think that some anonymous commenter has some sort of god-given right to call [you] or any identifiable person things like “idiotic cunt” and so forth?”, my answer is: no, I don’t think that. Nor do I think that you have any converse right. Standards of civility (and intellectual honesty) are the same for authors and commenters, whether known or anonymous.

    It’s sad that your insights can’t be shared graciously. As Linh Dinh and others here try to help you do that, you spin more wildly out of control, now having arrived at the point past parody:

    “But… who the hell do you think you are, making comments about MY behavior and blah blah. You’re quite literally a NOBODY.”

    Please have SOMEBODY qualified to diagnose megalomania whom you trust read this, and tell you what they think.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  190. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    The main phone numbers are right there on the little map embedded in the article. Anybody who can speak Russian can call the local hospital there and see whether 18 (or any!) Arabs were hospitalized on the night of 29 January 2016. I have not done that …

    There’s no obligation on anyone to do the work to disprove an implausible thesis.

    And when the author says he’s “utterly confident” that if the reader did the work that the author should have done (if he wished to be believed), they’d be convinced of what the author claims is “very very clear,” we know we are dealing with someone who has yet to adopt a professional approach to journalism.

  191. @anonymous

    It’s sad that your insights can’t be shared graciously.

    Yeah, it’s so sad. Cry us a river, baby.

    Okay, let’s get back to first principles here. I’m a simple-minded guy actually and I tend to think that the purpose of the comment section under an article is to discuss the article.

    Do you have a critique of the article? You know what I’m referring to, right? The text up top there?

    Do you have some comment about the actual article? I doubt it, but I give you a chance and ask. As far as I can see, you’re just a troll with a disruptive agenda and you want to turn this into a discussion about my personality or something, except you don’t even know me.

    So, if you have some specific thing to say about the article, you can make a comment, but if you want to continue the discussion about my deplorable personality, I’m not interested in discussing my personality with somebody who has never met me and never will. So, if you have nothing to say about the article, then please, pretty please… just fuck off. Okay?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  192. @Jonathan Revusky

    Your language makes you beneath argument.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  193. @Jonathan Revusky

    That’s why you are Islamist hasbara with your disinformation piece above. So what brought you over to that side? The Idries Shah from the last century?

    *ThatDamnGood

  194. @Jonathan Revusky

    As for the video you embed, just watch it with the sound off and tell me what you see. Do you see anything that looks like a sexual assault? This is a classic trick. You post a video and you say it portrays something and a lot of people, I guess, will just believe you without even checking.

    With the best will in the world, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above, that such attacks were not taking place within the field of view of the camera; (blah blah)

    Uhh…. by the same token, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above that, somewhere nearby, I was having sex with Julia Roberts but that this was not taking place within the field of view of the camera…

    I mean, this is just vacuous, man. Sure, the video doesn’t provide any proof regarding what the video did not capture! The point is that the video simply DOES NOT SHOW WHAT IT IS PURPORTED TO SHOW.

    Never mind the headline attached to the video; or your false assertion that I said it portrayed a sexual assault; you seem to have agreed with me on my main point.

    Your article argues that if the sexual assaults happened, there should be pictures or video footage. I am pointing out that this opinion is not compatible with the quality of images that can be recorded in a dense crowd at night under adverse lighting conditions.

    At one point in the film a woman shouts “du sollst mich nicht anfassen” (“don’t touch me”). Can you see the woman who is shouting, or what is happening to her? The answer is “no”, and even if you had footage from other people in the crowd, that would most likely be equally unhelpful.

    I am sorry to say that Revusky’s Razor is not as sharp as you think.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  195. utu says:

    The following is from an article written by pro refugee Dutch journalists who try to do the damage control and who probably would be very happy with Revusky, however even their research shows that many assaults against women took place in Cologne:

    Based on what we know so far, a more accurate description of what happened last New Year’s Eve might be: several dozen young men, many of North African origin, are suspected of sexually assaulting and robbing hundreds of women in the crowd. The crimes were made possible by the crowded New Year’s Eve conditions in and around Cologne’s main train station. They appear to have been further facilitated by poor coordination among the different police forces responsible for responding to the situation.

    News after the fact. Reporting on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, with hindsight

    https://thecorrespondent.com/4403/news-after-the-fact-reporting-on-new-years-eve-in-cologne-with-hindsight/740954526851-d527a047

    At least 130 young men robbed and assaulted hundreds of women during a busy, turbulent New Year’s Eve in Cologne. So far, 31 suspects have been identified in connection with sexual assaults. An understaffed, uncoordinated collection of law enforcement agencies failed to provide an adequate response.

    A total of 1,252 victims have come forward, according to Cologne public prosecutor Ulrich Bremer. Of these, 492 reported acts of sexual assault, which can include sexual harassment, assault, or rape.

    Most of the 149 suspects arrived in Germany in 2015. They include 47 men from Morocco, 46 from Algeria, 18 from Iraq, 11 from Syria, seven from Germany, three from Tunisia, two from Lebanon, Libya, and Albania, and one each from Afghanistan, Montenegro, Iran, Eritrea, India, Egypt, Hungary, and Spain. One suspect’s nationality is unknown.

    Time for the facts. What do we know about Cologne four months later?

    https://thecorrespondent.com/4401/time-for-the-facts-what-do-we-know-about-cologne-four-months-later/1073698080444-e20ada1b

    “Around midnight, things took a turn for the worse,” Aljork says. “Some men trapped one or two women between them and started touching them all over. Some of them were stealing money, phones, or other things.”

    According to Aljork, the perpetrators were organized in groups of approximately 8 to 10 men. He heard some speaking Arabic with a North African accent, and he saw a group of North African men surrounding a woman.

    “First, I felt something on my buttocks, and I thought, What’s that?” she says. “I tried to push it away, and then I realized it was a hand. But it was so crowded, I couldn’t even tell who was touching me. A few minutes later, the same thing happened again, but this time, a hand touched me right on the genitals. It wasn’t accidental. It went under my skirt, and that was deliberate. Somebody really groped me.”

    Kirsten tried to move, but she could barely raise her elbows, much less get her phone out of her purse. Around her, young men – according to Kirsten, they looked like “refugees who’d just arrived in Germany” – were giving her “dirty looks that were obviously sexually intended.” Kirsten started sweating profusely. She could see police on the stairs but had no way of reaching them.

    “I can’t remember how many times I was touched,” Kirsten says. “I felt a hand between my legs at least four times, but I have no idea who was doing it. Since there was a big clock on the wall, I was able to see exactly how long I was standing there, which was 45 minutes. I was extremely scared and kept telling myself, ‘Keep calm. Don’t cry.’ There was nothing else I could do.”

    At last the crowd began to move, and Kirsten was able to make her way to the platform. She took the first train she saw, even though it was going the wrong way. The next day, she went to the police to report what had happened.

  196. @James N. Kennett

    you seem to have agreed with me on my main point.

    It is hard to determine whether I agree with you on your main point, because I do not even quite grasp what your point is. Frankly, I do not think you have one. What you are saying just seems idiotic. I mean, the video does not portray anything, so now you say that we can’t exclude the possibility that somewhere not captured by that video, something really did happen.

    But the point is that if this, of all the video available, is what they have to show us, it means that they don’t have anything. It’s all a bluff!

    Presumably, if they really did have something to show us, they would show it to us, no? So they don’t. And so there is no visual evidence of anything and I fall back on the same arguments I have made about this ad nauseam.

    At one point in the film a woman shouts “du sollst mich nicht anfassen” (“don’t touch me”). Can you see the woman who is shouting, or what is happening to her?

    James, I cannot even understand what argument you are making. No, I cannot see the woman who is shouting. She is not in any of the video. You have a voice-over that does not correspond to anything being shown in the video. It’s obviously an attempt to snow the viewer. Maybe you hear this and you are supposed to imagine that you actually saw something in the video. I dunno. That is why I suggested that you watch the video with the sound off.

    But look, this is what they have to show us. That’s it. This came out in December, almost a full year after the alleged event, and they are saying that this is harrowing new footage that has come out. And it does not show anything! There is clear intent to deceive, given how the thing is labeled. Can’t you see that?

    I don’t trust wikipedia, but the Wikipedia page on the Cologne incident claims that the authorities pored over 1100 hours of CCTV video. Okay, there’s the theory (somehow it’s NOT a conspiracy theory :-)) that the authorities have really incriminating stuff but aren’t letting us see it…

    But finally, look, if that video is what they’ve got, that’s the single most harrowing thing they can show us… this is total BULLSHIT.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  197. @Rosamund Vincy

    Your language makes you beneath argument.

    Sheesh, that’s lame. Don’t I deserve better quality trolls than this? I mean, surely, a good quality troll could come up with some witty repartee from here.

    But no, it’s just this feigning that you are such a prim, proper lady, and are so shocked by my “foul language” or something. Of course, it’s now the night shift in Tel Aviv, so I’m not getting the A team.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    , @annamaria
  198. L.K says:
    @utu

    J.R: “I sympathize with the ethno-nationalist viewpoint, but the case has to be made honestly.”

    Utu to J.R : “Why? Why honesty is necessary for achieving goals?

    Right. IOW, lying & bullshitting is ok, if it furthers one’s goals… okay.

    Reading the above tells me all I need to know about you.

    It also makes your recent criticism of Stalinist propagandist, Andrei Martyanov/Smoothie, as well as Soviet media, ring very hollow.

    After all, “Why honesty is necessary for achieving goals?” :-)

    BTW, Martyanov is correct about Iran, you are wrong & too pig headed to concede a point.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  199. Erebus says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Get it? So now we can apply the same basic epistemological principle to the case at hand.

    Well, no you can’t. As you say, Merkel walking on water is physically impossible, at least without extraordinary assistance in overcoming the displacement-buoyancy principles known since Archimedes. This is very different than claiming that Merkel can’t walk on water because no-one has seen her do it.
    Neither the Murmansk, nor the Cologne cases, especially unembellished variants thereof, are not physically impossible at all.

    That is a qualitative difference. You lose a lot of steam when you ignore that difference and barrel headlong into claims that something is “IMPOSSIBLE!” when it does not violate a physical law.
    Neither the Murmansk, nor the Cologne cases, especially unembellished variants thereof, are not physically impossible at all.
    Those of us who worship at the altar of Saint Isaac know that the only laws humans wouldn’t violate are those they can’t.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  200. edNels says:

    Another great essay from JR!

    I really appreciate Jonathan’s efforts to quantify” or whatever stuff like Over Educated Idiots and all that kind of shit!

  201. @utu

    the author should respond to this.

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  202. anon • Disclaimer says:

    There’s another, more recent case crying out for “Revusky’s Razor”: media liars ranging from Russia Today to the Daily Mail are spreading police disinformation about supposed disorder and sexual assaults by migrants in the little German town of Schorndorf last weekend.

    Since no video showing actual penetration has yet emerged, these reports are clearly false.

    Strangely enough, the authorities in Schorndorf held a press conference downplaying the alleged violence and accusing the small AfD party of trying to politicize the issue. Obviously this was a sham, trying to throw clear thinkers like Revusky off the scent. Only a liar or an idiot would refuse to see that the German authorities are really all in league together, trying to demonize Muslim migrants!

    But these authorities are diabolically clever: they realize that the vast majority of the public are liars and/or idiots, and that a few lonely voices crying in the wilderness like Jonathan Revusky cannot hope to prevail against their insidious propaganda.

    Google “Schorndorf sexual assaults” for details.

  203. @Erebus

    That is a qualitative difference. You lose a lot of steam when you ignore that difference and barrel headlong into claims that something is “IMPOSSIBLE!” when it does not violate a physical law.

    Well, of course, you’re right, strictly speaking, Erebus. However, as a practical matter, there are things that are so unlikely that we could say they are impossible without much consequence. What is funny is that utu up in #63 wrote: “Revusky is a lover of abstract purity.” and all of this subdiscussion shows that this is not true. You, for example, are a real lover of abstract purity, and are a bit miffed that I’m cutting corners here… If the roles were reversed, I wouldn’t make any big deal about it, because, even if I was aware that there was some cutting of corners, I would figure it doesn’t matter all that much…

    For example, say the story was not Merkel walking on water, but rather, she goes into a casino, sits at the blackjack table, and wins 100 hands in a row. Anybody of moderate intelligence/education who observed this and somehow managed to believe that there was no cheating involved, it would only be out of some desperate need to believe that, right? You’d have to be a bloody fool to believe that somebody won 100 coin flip propositions in a row in an honest game, wouldn’t you?

    (Of course, if there was some arrangement to have somebody win at gambling, obviously, they would never do it like that. They would just tilt the odds in her favor enough so that she was guaranteed to come off a winner, but she would still be observed to win some hands and lose others.)

    Of course, the probability of winning 100 hands of blackjack in a row in an honest game can be precisely calculated, (something on the order of 1/100000000000000000000000000000 I think). If we told a story in which an elephant escapes from the zoo and is wandering around the center of a major city in broad daylight for several hours, and then somehow nobody caught this on camera, my intuition is that this, in the current-day environment, is, if anything, more unlikely than the above gambling analogy. So, my view would again be that it really doesn’t matter how many hundreds of people claim they saw the elephant if there were no visuals. And in this case, the elephant story does not violate Saint Isaac either.

    In the article, I jokingly referred to a latter-day miracle requiring belief in two miracles, the first is the miracle itself and the second is that nobody caught it on camera, so maybe the first miracle is something of a true zero probability and the second miracle is 1/10^30, let’s say, about like 100 consecutive heads on a coin flip.

    But, look, the only reason that my interlocutors in this “debate” (using the term loosely) insist so much that this ridiculous narrative is true is because they have a deep need to believe it. It so illustrates some of the basic concepts in the article, it’s uncanny. The other funny thing is the way they always burn the candle on both ends. So, they take official statements as fact, if it supports what they want to believe, but if there are other official statements that don’t support their beliefs, they argue that this is because there is a cover-up and the pussies in charge of the government in Germany really want to enable those Muslim rapists. Somehow that does not constitute a “conspiracy theory”! So the same idiots will still whip out this stuff of “You’re a conspiracy theorist!”

  204. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    OK, here’s what this NOBODY thinks of the article.

    You have valid insights about how propaganda works today in the context of the people who have been coming to Europe from MENA. While most here already know that The Daily Caller, like many other ad-laden online publications, is trashy, your dissection of the Russian nightclub story proves that. And I agree that any account of an event (Cologne, etc.) that can likewise be used to stereotype negatively in service of a divide-and-conquer agenda should be treated skeptically.

    But I would hesitate to use your article in attempting to convince anyone of these points. As utu and others have noted, you need a severe editor. The redundancy and self-obsession are glaring. The so-called Revusky’s Razor and other hyperbole aren’t just a waste of time, they discredit your efforts — these aren’t apple trees, and you’re not Newton. As I said back upthread, the article (as amplified in your comments) suggests a need for attention, winning arguments, and creating and hurting enemies.

  205. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Well, okay, fine, and maybe Frau Merkel can walk on water. I don’t think so but that’s just my opinion, okay.

    Do you really not understand the difference between physical impossibility and mere unlikelihood?

    That seems unlikely, but remarkably you keep doubling down on your error.

    The utter lack of any visual evidence for what they are saying happened is what is in front of my nose. And I have made the decision to go with that.

    And it’s far too weak an argument to sustain the weight you are trying to place upon it, as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, with supporting argument, in many comments here. You have largely failed to deal with those arguments.

    In the end (assuming you do not lack the basic intelligence to grasp the points made, which seems unlikely) it’s clear you have a need to hold onto your opinion that transcends the arguments and evidence, which seems to manifest in hypersensitivity and hostility to criticism. Whether it is just the understandable defensiveness of the author for his writing, or antiracist ideology, only you could probably say for sure.

    I’m not an advocate of mass immigration, but I don’t share the primal fear and loathing of Muslims that you guys have.

    This kind of dishonest hyperbole and smearing is characteristic of the antiracist ideologue – disapproval of foreigners or of the consequences of mass immigration becomes “fear and loathing” and is conceptualised into a smear term – “racism” or “islamophobia”. It’s also typical of the related political correctness ideologies – disapproval of the impact of jewish lobby influence on society becomes hatred of jews – “anti-Semitism”, and disapproval of homosexual behaviour and its consequences becomes hatred of homosexuals – “homophobia”.

    And, for you, that makes me scum or whatever. I have to hate Muslims as much as you do.

    I didn’t call you “scum”, that was German Reader. Unwarranted abuse imo but understandable emotion in response to your attempt, in effect, to assist in the ongoing elite destruction of his nation by covering up for the consequences of mass immigration and denying emotionally powerful crimes against his people without any sufficient justification for doing so.

    Nor, of course, do I “hate muslims” – that’s just more characteristically antiracist smearing as discussed above. It’s absolutely not necessary to “hate” any particular foreign group to not want large numbers of them transforming your own society out of recognition.

    You and the German Reader guy, and unfortunately utu, you guys are just head cases finally and I think any sane third party reading my exchanges with you guys would end up drawing that conclusion.

    Well that’s fine, then. What are you getting so emotional about?

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  206. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Jonathan, I am a somewhat infrequent commentor here, but I am familiar with both your and Rurik’s comments. I think you are both intelligent men. I think you are a good writer. Nonetheless, you lost a lot of people with this last reply of yours. There are many good reasons to have an anonymous message board. I am sure you can think of many. Anonymity has its downsides, but it allows people to freely post their thoughts without fear for their personal safety, job security, etc.

    On this message board, nobody knows much about you personally or Rurik personally. For all I know, and I tend to believe this until proven otherwise, Rurik is a fine upstanding man. He could be someone I highly respect. I know that he’s very intelligent. You have just repeatedly insulted him in a very harsh manner.

    This is your article, and by social convention, you are something like the “President” of this thread. You are not acting presidential it all. There is no law about this, it is just good manners. But when you violate social convention you will lose a lot of people. There is no need for this. You can make your case just as well without ranting or insults.

    Another social convention is the sanctity of anonymity on anonymous message boards. Sure, there is no law against that. But if you violate that social custom, again there is no need for this to make your argument, you will lose almost everyone. That is just a fact

    Again, you are very intelligent, so I am surprised, very surprised, to see your reaction here. Either you do not understand social convention, or you do not care. Maybe you are just socially awkward like a character on the Big Bang Theory. But if you don’t care, you really should. You can treat people with respect and still make the argument you are trying to make. Acting like you are acting only hurts your cause, and is not necessary.

    Honestly, from a professional point of view, this last reply of yours sounds a little bit paranoid, and makes me a little bit worried about you.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  207. @Jonathan Revusky

    I’m in the midwest, not Tel Aviv (which I have never visited, although I should certainly like to see the Tomb in Jerusalem and the Manger in Bethlehem some day), and your language is inappropriate not because it is foul but because it is Argumentum ad Feminam–a poor argument at best.
    Had you wished to to bring a valid criticism against my post, you might have pointed out that it was Anecdotal Evidence and could not be used to make generalizations about an entire population. In scientific terms, a sample of n=1 is insufficient to prove anything. Unfortunately, the sample is far larger than 1.
    Is there a Muslim Rape Army? Not here, although that is exactly what Boko Haram was in Nigeria. What we do have, and what they have in Cologne, Birmingham, Rotherham, Bradford, and other places, are a bunch of thugs who have rightly decided that they can follow their impulses with little fear of consequences.
    BTW, not being female doesn’t always protect kids. The Rapefugees have been known to go after little boys at public swimming pools.

    • Troll: Jonathan Revusky
  208. @Jonathan Revusky

    I do not even quite grasp what your point is.

    Let me repeat it.

    Your article argues that if the sexual assaults happened, there should be pictures or video footage. I am pointing out that this opinion is not compatible with the quality of images that can be recorded in a dense crowd at night under adverse lighting conditions.

  209. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @James N. Kennett

    Your article argues that if the sexual assaults happened, there should be pictures or video footage.

    And if you were a witness to a sexual assault, would video the incident for the gratification of the general public, or intervene with the object of repelling, or rendering incapable, the criminal assailant? To me, Revusky’s assumption that people would merely record the event for later review seems totally bizarre.

  210. Avery says:
    @James N. Kennett

    {…the quality of images…..}

    How would it even be possible to take _any_ pics or vids of the sexual assaults (e.g. ‘fingering’) or molestation. From the description of the victims, they were tightly surrounded by groups of guys, and felt being pawed.

    • Replies: @Avery
  211. @James N. Kennett

    Your article argues that if the sexual assaults happened, there should be pictures or video footage. I am pointing out that this opinion is not compatible with the quality of images that can be recorded in a dense crowd at night under adverse lighting conditions.

    First of all, I simply do not believe that this is true. All you have to do is bring up general visuals of the area in which this is alleged to have occurred.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizhOy4mKLVAhVPOMAKHQd-CsMQ_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    This is the main train station of a major city. It is night time but it is not poorly lit. Anyway, I assume you would be aware of what the space looks like, no?After all, it’s so easy to bring up some visuals and have look, no? Or, for example, it is easy enough to find a map of the overall place, things like this:

    So, where did all these sexual assaults take place, where it is so dark and so forth that nothing clear could be seen on camera. The place can be crowded at times, but it is a very large space, so it’s not densely packed like a rock concert either…

    Okay, that’s just for starters…. Now, let’s consider this. Suppose you’re a schoolteacher and little Johnny, not a very good pupil, who has a history of not doing his homework, shows up and has not done his homework.

    Little Johnny tells you, the English teacher, that he does not have his English homework done because there was a death in the family.

    Apparently, little Johnny later in the day tells the Math teacher that he did his homework, but unfortunately, the dog ate it.

    Is there any reason to believe ANYTHING that little Johnny says?

    Now, here we have a situation where people, when asked why there are no visuals, they will say that there are none because it was dark or whatever. That’s your theory.

    Then, on a separate occasion, they will say that there are no visuals because the SJW-dominated authorities are suppressing them somehow. This, for example, is what Anatoly Karlin said on 18 January 2016. He wrote:

    From the Polish media we learn that German authorities ordered the destruction of CCTV evidence of the Cologne attacks.

    That was here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/poland-can-into-putinization/

    So, Anatoly Karlin apparently believes that there is (or was) video evidence of all this but the authorities ordered it destroyed. This, apparently, is not a conspiracy theory, because Anatoly Karlin is a serious person, very opposed to conspiracy theories. Note that his source for this information is the “Polish media”. There is video, it shows clearly what happened, but these cucks in power there won’t let us see it.

    Do you see any contradiction in all of this? I mean, different people are giving different explanations for the lack of visual evidence. Meanwhile, they simply NEVER consider the simplest the simplest explanation of the lack of any visual evidence.

    IT NEVER HAPPENED.

    Isn’t that the simplest explanation? Why do these people never consider that possibility? Instead, they construct tortuous explanations where the events happened, but for some reason, no visuals, too dark, the authorities destroyed the evidence, the authorities have the evidence but are suppressing it…

    Anybody should be able to see that this is all bullshit.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  212. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    The author should go away and seek mental help. He thinks that the convictions are fake and that the pro-immigrant German establishment (Merkel included) is working for the White Supremacists and slandering the vibrants.

    Merkel voices outrage over ‘disgusting’ outbreak of mass sex attacks in Cologne on New Year’s Eve http://archive.is/pcb8y

    Cologne New Year gang assaults: Mayor says women should have code of conduct to prevent future assault http://archive.is/9b5u5

    Cologne police chief removed from post after New Year’s Eve attacks http://archive.is/Z6eUY

    Why? Because he couldn’t find juicy Cologne rape/sex attack footage on Youtube. Fuck me sideways. He must believe that all worldwide rapes are faked since you can’t find those videos either. Only a 0.0000000000000000000000001% will be found in the darkest corners of the Web and the Darknet. Here’s why:

    - Victims don’t film their own rapes

    - Perpetrators don’t do it either
    - If they try the accomplices will stop them
    - If they manage they won’t upload the evidence to the WWW
    - If they do upload the cops will get them and confiscate

    - Witnesses will run
    - Witnesses will call the police instead of filming
    - If they film before calling they’re in deep trouble and the cops will arrest them and confiscate
    - If they film after calling the cops will confiscate
    - If they film without calling they’ll keep it to themselves or get arrested
    - If they film at all the perpetrators will likely attack them

    So, only a super-tiny fraction might end up on the Web – before it gets scrubbed forever.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  213. Avery says:
    @Avery

    from the link in #197 above.

    [Around the same time, Kirsten managed to catch a train out of the packed station. She was relieved to escape, but she didn’t really understand what had just happened to her.
    .....
    But on New Year’s Eve, trying to get a train home, she felt cornered and helpless. The police had blocked the stairs, leaving her stuck in the middle of a mob.
    ......
    “First, I felt something on my buttocks, and I thought, What’s that?” she says. “I tried to push it away, and then I realized it was a hand. But it was so crowded, I couldn’t even tell who was touching me. A few minutes later, the same thing happened again, but this time, a hand touched me right on the genitals. It wasn’t accidental. It went under my skirt, and that was deliberate. Somebody really groped me.”
    ......
    Kirsten tried to move, but she could barely raise her elbows, much less get her phone out of her purse. Around her, young men – according to Kirsten, they looked like “refugees who’d just arrived in Germany” – were giving her “dirty looks that were obviously sexually intended.” Kirsten started sweating profusely. She could see police on the stairs but had no way of reaching them.]

  214. @Jonathan Revusky

    Several people have already pointed out to you that the nature of the attacks (women being surrounded by large groups of men, then groped or assaulted in other ways) and the chaotic nature of the situation make it unlikely that high-quality video of the events could have been taken.
    Also who should have taken such videos? Anybody who could potentially have become a victim, would have tried to get out there as fast as possible and certainly not stood around filming groups of aggressive young men who might react violently. It’s of course possible that the perpetrators themselves would have filmed their actions, to keep videos as trophies, but obviously it wouldn’t be in their interest to bring such material to the attention of the police or the media since it might be used against them in court.
    And you still haven’t explained the hundreds of reports to police for assaults and the hundreds of witness statements to that effect. Apparently you believe those people were all bribed and/or are intentionally lying. But then a single “antiracist” Canadian journalist who claims to have been there and seen nothing, becomes a star witness for your case (because Canadian journalists are more credible than hundreds of Germans, or what?).
    But ultimately it’s of course wasted effort to have a discussion with you. You’re quite simply an obsessive nutcase who believes himself to be in possession of some ultimate truth (“Zionists” being behind every evil in the world) and tries to make every single fact conform to his grand narrative.

    • Replies: @Avery
  215. Avery says:
    @German_reader

    {You’re quite simply an obsessive nutcase who believes himself to be in possession of some ultimate truth }

    On a side note, this thread demonstrated Ron Unz’s high level of tolerance and commitment to providing a forum for wildly disparate viewpoints.

    I doubt _any_ other web site would give the individual in question such an unfettered platform. Particularly one who disagrees with the site owner so vehemently.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  216. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Revusky – Read through it and you’ll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.

    geokat62 – No, Rurik is telling the truth. You’re the one who is full of shit. You actually owe Rurik an apology for threatening to dox him after he stooped to your level and gave you a taste of your own medicine. But you’re not man enough to admit it. You’re a pathetic liar.

    I, for one, am very disappointed that our host, Ron Unz, would allow an individual who threatened to dox another commenter to continue to be a contributor on his fine site. This type of behaviour should be frowned upon. If Ron continues to allow this character to post articles, those of us who find his threat of doxing someone repugnant should simply boycott him, by refusing to read or comment on any of his future articles, unless and until he formally apologizes to Rurik for making such an unacceptable threat.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  217. Rurik says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    anonymous dipshit
    cowardly little dipshits
    Is that manly behavior
    Does a man behave like that
    little sniveling coward
    I would out him if he continued.
    Little sniveling coward
    He’s a total nobody
    little coward
    little bastard
    how limited his intelligence was
    no capacity to learn
    a complete brainfucked idiot
    I just want to know what kind of assholes I’m dealing with here
    little shit

    With Jonathan Revusky’s permission…

    I would like to say I’m grateful and humbled by the support from some of the commenters here, even if I’m not allowed to defend myself or my positions on Revusky’s privately owned thread- here on Unz Review.

    and indeed, I actually agree wholeheartedly with this part of JR’s essay

    In the long run, though, there is just too much at stake here to be playing softball and trying to spare certain people’s ample egos. We are at a crucial stage in history and what is at stake here is reclaiming sanity, basic morality, and some kind of future for our children. And if that requires some people’s egos to be bruised, that ain’t much of a price to pay.

    [my emphasis]

    it’s sort of ironic in a way, I went from being JR’s most adamant defender, (sometimes being the only one) to being the most maligned object of his (considerable) wrath.

    and all because we seem to disagree on the respective wisdom of massive and transformational immigration of non-Westerners (including Muslims) into all Western nations and lands.

    I guess we’re just ideologically incompatible vis-a-vis our respective agendas having to do with massive immigration (of Muslims and everyone else) and its (very real) and myriad manifestations.

    (also just for the record, I never personally stated that there were any rapes per se of German girls in Cologne on NYE, but rather its seems probable that many girls were groped and/or disrespected by foreigners who were taking advantage of the spiritually emasculated German male. It was because I never claimed there were rapes, and was in agreement with JR on the subject, that I considered his relentless badgering for me to find videos of these rapes [that I never even suggested had happened] that I eventually snapped from the barrage of abuse and personal attack and called him an ‘idiotic cunt’. In fact, I don’t consider JR to be idiotic at all)

    that’s all

    I harbor no ill-will towards Mr. Revusky, we just happen to disagree on what’s the best solution going forward for the “future for our children”.

    cheers and thanks again to all who took the time and effort to point out that what ever else I may be, I am honest and always have been here on the Unz Review

  218. I managed to stomach about 4,000 words of this garbage. This heeb wants yt dead, and will turn a blind eye to moslem barbarism to get it. Of course Cologne happened you swine. Rotterham is real. These “people” have absolutely brought their savagery to Europe. Look in any European prison.

  219. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Avery

    On a side note, this thread demonstrated Ron Unz’s high level of tolerance and commitment to providing a forum for wildly disparate viewpoints.

    That’s perfect for the comment section but the published articles should probably contain at least one semi-defensible argument per 20 000 words. Personally, I’ve enjoyed Revusky’s meltdown in the comments (for a while – stubborn stupidity gets old) but the article was a massive waste of time.

    And it’s not fair that Revusky can enjoy his free speech while blackmailing someone else into silence (#183).

  220. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    When I read your first article I was enthused but every subsequent article was reducing the credit of trust I gave you until it ended up in red.

    My own trajectory was somewhat similar. For me, a central turning point was when Revusky firmly claimed—on the basis of zero evidence—that 9/11 victim Betty Ong had never actually existed, despite all the published descriptions of her life and background by her (alleged) siblings, parents, and husband.

    I think he also claimed that no 747s had hit the WTC and the videos had been “faked.” If so, then he surely would have similarly denounced any much less explicit video evidence from Cologne…

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Wizard of Oz
  221. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    I, for one, am very disappointed that our host, Ron Unz, would allow an individual who threatened to dox another commenter to continue to be a contributor on his fine site…until he formally apologizes to Rurik for making such an unacceptable threat.

    I think that’s a very reasonable position to take, and since I’m very busy with my own software work and rarely follow comment-threads, I hadn’t been aware of this earlier “doxxing” controversy.

    It seems to me that publishing (extremely long and quite implausible) featured articles on this webzine is a privilege rather than a right, and if Revusky wants any such future opportunities, he definitely owes Rurik a clear apology.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Linh Dinh
  222. Rurik says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Revusky wants any such future opportunities, he definitely owes Rurik a clear apology

    Thank you Mr. Unz (and Geo!) for your concerns and taking the time to point out it’s wrong to threaten to dox people because you don’t agree with them or because they return (a tiny fraction) of the abuse they’ve had hurled their way.

    But I really don’t feel JR needs to apologize to me personally at all. Just honor the principle among people of good will on the Internet not to divulge our (my) private information to the world. Information that I trusted him with, and would hate to think that trust was misplaced.

    BTW, I love your site sir!

    (and I also love that you publish all manner of writers with wide-ranging views. I’d hate to think that I got in the way of that in any way. Like you, I abhor censorship)

  223. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron,

    Ad hominem attacks from anyone shouldn’t be allowed in any discussion, even an online, anonymous one. We should be here to talk about issues, not to call anyone names, but the comments at Unz have often degenerated into that.

    As the editor and moderator, you can put a stop to this by reminding people that posting comments at Unz Review is also a privilege, and a basic standard of civility should be adhered to at all times.

    Linh

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Randal
  224. @Anonymous

    I can kinda, sorta understand a couple of his points though. I don’t agree with most of it. wish there were more visual evidence. and the exaggeration doesn’t help either. exaggerations and estimates should be noted as such in something as serious as this.

    lets take the year 2000 puerto rican day parade in nyc as an example. that was 6 years before the first iphone made it to market. 10 years later in 2016, almost all of us were walking around with mini HD cameras. the groups of young men groping and sexually assaulting women were easily caught on videos or photos in year 2000. some of the guys in the parade were even caught by news cameras. why are there no videos or photos for the hundreds of cases in germany? a possibility could be the german police/govt suppressed them.

    was there any cctv footage? I know the british love their cctvs, does germany have them?

    I wish the author could just take it easy and answer the questions in the comments. never understand why ppl engage in shouting matches on the internet :/ when all else fails, can always agree to disagree.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  225. Does this a*shole think I’m going to read this entire thing?! F*ck off m8.

  226. @The Scalpel

    Nonetheless, you lost a lot of people with this last reply of yours.

    Oh really? A lot of people? How many is that? Five? Fifty-one? And how do you know this?

    Of course, also, why do you think I care? I “lost” people? What is this? Am I running for political office or something?

    Now, my sense of things is that you are not a shill here trying to make trouble, like the anonymous guy who dredged up my harsh words to Rurik from half a year ago. That guy is obviously some sort of professional troll. But the problem is that that kind of thing becomes enabled by people engaging in useful idiocy, which is what you are doing here. Let me suggest a golden rule for you:

    Though shalt not be a useful idiot.

    For all I know, and I tend to believe this until proven otherwise, Rurik is a fine upstanding man. He could be someone I highly respect. I know that he’s very intelligent.

    Look, you earlier expressed some appreciation for my writing, but you should know then that I am not into bullshit. I’ve become hypersensitized to it. I loathe it. And the above is bullshit. You don’t even know the person. Why be here vouching for the character and intelligence of somebody you don’t even know? Why are you doing this? I don’t even think you know why you’re doing this. My sense is that it’s all part and parcel of a kind of totally bullshitty culture that I despise. It’s this sort of “I’m OK, you’re OK” kind of bullshit.

    In any case, WTF do you think this discussion forum is? What would be its purpose? Is this some kind of high society tea party? Is this Lake Wobegon, where all the children are above average? All the women are beautiful, all the men are intelligent…

    Please stop already.

    But when you violate social convention

    What “social convention”? That you don’t respond harshly to anonymous dipshit commenters on an internet forum? That’s the social convention? If that’s it, its certainly not very widely followed…

    But look, real social conventions establish themselves over time because they’re stable and typically stability means balance, which in turn means some amount of symmetry. So if another couple invites you and your wife for dinner, at a later point you invite them. Right? I buy you a beer and later you buy me a beer…

    Or, there is also pot luck. Various people have a dinner party and everybody brings something. My view currently is that an intellectual forum is something like a pot luck. Obviously, some people are bringing much more to the table than others. Some person is a fantastic cook and cooks really great Italian food from fresh ingredients. Another person just brings something way inferior but at least brought something.

    But the social convention would be that everybody is supposed to bring something to the table. A legitimate participant is somebody who, at least tries to bring something worthwhile to the table. Now, here we have a situation where the person who brought just about everything to the table in this exact case is ME! I wrote the article up top, right?

    So, the whole idea that people can show up to the party empty-handed and just insult me is not a very stable situation, because it’s something very asymmetrical and really, fundamentally unjust. (Of course, it occurs to me that social conventions need not be just, look at slavery, but unjust situations like that have an inherent tension, right?)

    So this is an inherently unbalanced, unjust situation and people get sick of it. Linh Dinh has complained bitterly to me in private about having to put up with the anonymous dipshits under his articles. (I don’t think I’m betraying any great confidence saying that.) Professor Paul Craig Roberts just finally got tired of the situation and doesn’t have comments under his articles. He just got so tired of yahoos insulting him from behind a cloak of anonymity that he just said… fuck it, no more comments. You saw that, right?

    Another social convention is the sanctity of anonymity on anonymous message boards.

    Well, you see, this is is a singularly obtuse statement. That can only apply in a context where everybody is anonymous. I’ve had situations here where somebody fishes up my facebook and points to the photos and says “Revusky is one ugly fucker”. And the person is doing this while maintaining his own anonymity!!! My position is that if I had the goods on somebody doing that, I have every right to doxx him.

    Think about. Because you obviously never have thought about it.

    Really, I find your moralizing tone deeply offensive and I would like an apology. I doubt I’ll get one but it would impress me very favorably if I did.

    You can treat people with respect and still…

    Look, I really must make something clear to you and to anybody of your mindset who happens to be reading this.

    On an internet discussion forum, respect is not really owed anybody. Respect is earned. The various dipshits here, including you, owe me respect because I bring something to the table, but I do not owe you any.

    In fact, I do not owe you anything.

    Period.

    Now, okay, I have no reason to go out of my way to gratuitously disrespect you, no. But I do not owe you respect because you have done absolutely nothing to earn any respect from me. If you want respect, do something to earn it. Certainly, you do not earn any respect by writing some moralistic nonsense to me. Don’t just show up here, a place where I’m the person who has put everything on the table, and then start demanding respect like some kind of little pussy. Because if you keep doing this, I will not respect you. I will despise you.

    Now, I would suggest that, assuming you are intelligent, that you just use your intelligence, think about what I am saying to you. Don’t write a hot-headed immediate reply. Give yourself a few days to think about what I have said above. I believe that if you think about it dispassionately, you will realize that what I am saying is right. In fact, you might conclude that you owe me an apology. But I’m of course not really demanding one. The social convention on the Internet seems to be that nobody ever apologizes. :-)

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @The Scalpel
    , @anonymous
  227. Dissident says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Look, Rotherham is about a relatively small set of criminals of Pakistani descent in a completely different country. But that is an underage prostitution ring. I assume that all the sex in question occurred behind closed doors in seedy motels and so forth. And that is something that, unfortunately does happen. I have problem believing this.

    (It appears that the final sentence above was meant to have read, “I have no problem believing this.”)

    Haven’t you missed what was the aspect of the Rotherham affair that made it particularly remarkable and indeed egregious? Was it not fairly widely reported that the authorities-in-question were urged, lest they would appear to be “racist” or “culturally insensitive”, to turn a blind eye to what were rank atrocities being perpetrated upon children? And when at least one individual was decent and brave enough to take action based upon the evidence that was before her, she was castigated and punished for doing so?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  228. Rurik says: • Website
    @Linh Dinh

    posting comments at Unz Review is also a privilege, and a basic standard of civility should be adhered to at all times.

    wow

    I suppose that is a thinly veiled reverence to my relatively mild name-calling at JR

    wow, just f’n WOW!

    Mr. Dinh, do you have any idea how much over-the-top personal abuse I suffered from that guy before I reciprocated? On this thread alone, as someone has already pointed out, he has referred to me as

    cowardly little dipshits
    Is that manly behavior
    Does a man behave like that
    little sniveling coward
    I would out him if he continued.
    Little sniveling coward
    He’s a total nobody
    little coward
    little bastard
    how limited his intelligence was
    no capacity to learn
    a complete brainfucked idiot
    I just want to know what kind of assholes I’m dealing with here
    little shit

    this is from the thread where I called him an “idiotic cunt”

    like Rurik that is the case. However, if one is not a brainfucked idiot…

    he is doing the intellectual equivalent of dropping his pants and bending over and requesting to be roughly sodomized.

    that’s because you’re an idiot.

    complete and utter pussy-whipped idiot.

    and why was I subjected to such abuse?

    because I wouldn’t admit that the dearth of videos showing German girls being raped proved that all (or certainly almost all) the talk of sexual assaults in Cologne on NYE were all lies.

    Because I didn’t go along with his, well, quite honestly .. idiotic theory, I was a %[email protected]*&%@!!!+*&!!!

    and then when I respond in kind, you, Mr. Dinh have the nads to say I should be reminded of the rules of civility?!

    just look at the way this man has conducted himself on this thread, for God’s sake!

    agenda driven myopia sir, pure and plain hypocrisy most foul

  229. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Hi rurik,

    I wasn’t talking about you specifically. Please reread my comment in its entirety.

    Linh

    • Replies: @Rurik
  230. Rurik says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    this is a comment section to your article JR, but it’s also obviously a continuation of the conversation we last enjoyed previously, when you threatened to dox(x) me for disagreeing with you.

    I’ve had situations here where somebody fishes up my facebook and points to the photos and says “Revusky is one ugly fucker”. And the person is doing this while maintaining his own anonymity!!! My position is that if I had the goods on somebody doing that, I have every right to doxx him.

    by suggesting a completely alternative scenario where you feel justified in ‘using the goods’ on someone as a revenge of sorts, you’re blurring the lines between ‘using the goods’ on someone because they wronged you vs. ‘using the goods’ on someone because you became wrathful when they didn’t fall in line for your patently idiotic theory of ‘no videos = no groping’.

    now, if you’ll kindly desist from any further malicious references to moi, then I’ll gladly desist from posting on your thread.

    I wonder how Fred Reed feels about your demands for homage and groveling ‘civility’ towards writers published on Unz? I really liked your one-way demands about respect you just showed The Scalpel, who has been nothing but a net boon to this site from his every post, as far as I’ve read, and if you had a tiny shred of his integrity, you’d have clicked on his website and discovered that he had indeed brought quite a bit to the table, for those not so blinded by their hubris and high esteem of themselves to even bother taking a look.

    So no, Mr. Unz, I don’t want an apology from JR here. Just a promise that he won’t ‘use the goods’ I trusted him with, for simply pointing out how inane (some of) his theories are.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  231. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Jonathan,

    Of the two of us, there is one here that writes hotheaded replies, and it is not me! Since that is a subjective assessment, I suggest you take a poll and study the results closely.

    You should know that you “lost” people here because you have read all the comments. Please add up the percentage of negative comments about you personally, and about your article to the percentage of positive comments. Now multiply that by the total number of readers and you will find that about the only thing you have convinced a good number of people of is that you are grandiose, narcissistic, and very thin-skinned. You are very likely to fit DSM-5 criteria for diagnosis 301.81. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20025568.

    You should care that you “lost” people because, presumably, you are trying to convince people of your point of view. That is the reason you put so much effort into writing your article. I was trying to help you by pointing this fact out to you. Now there are other reasons to write an article. Most of them are not good reasons. Perhaps, you are writing it as a school assignment. That would be a good reason, I suppose. Most of the other reasons would go back to DSM diagnosis 301.81.

    Social conventions such as being polite and respecting other people, at least initially, are valuable because they tend to put other people on your side, at least until they have reason to do otherwise. I never said that anyone owes anyone respect. I said that if you respect other people you will be more likely to convince them of your point of view. The same goes for doxxing. Again, I was trying to help you.

    The “balance” here is plain to see, though you don’t seem to recognize it. People are taking the time to read your article, consider your point of view, and respond to it. Life is short. That is a donation on their part to you. You have the privilege of receiving well considered feedback from many intelligent people regarding your pet theories and made up words. The “balance” is obvious, but someone who suffers from diagnosis 301.81 would not recognize it. Mr. Unz is donating his website so that you may express your opinion to the world, etc.

    I think you have an interesting, readable style of writing. Your argument has some flaws, which others have pointed out. But that’s not really the issue now, is it? You personally are the issue. Is that what you intended when you wrote the article? I don’t think it is. Most of this came about because you could not be polite or respectfull of others. Of course you are not required to do this, but I predict that if you continue to act the way you are acting, you will lose your privileges on this website and end up, more or less, shouting your essays into the mirror at yourself because you will be the only one who has the patience to put up with you.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Wizard of Oz
  232. JR being simply an ignorant, low IQ, leftist fool without the powers of imagination required to envision crowds/mobs of, thanks to the net, wound-up, sex-obcessed young males who, in their homes of birth, had never encountered a live female in a public setting, and now they are viewing them, young females, moving around freely on new-years eve.
    Then add to this the explosive element of passive german guys and the german mind-set of non-violence, meaning the german males will not dare to engage in the action of kicking deservedly the asses of the perpertrators, and then after the initial action of one of the barbarians putting his hands where they don’t belong then all hell breaks loose, and there are then young women pleading for help and nobody, not the cops or their so-called boyfriends respond, a pandemonia indeed, although I can somehow understand reluctance of the the young german guys to take action, in light of the lunatic PC german legal system, which is not hesitant to tranform victims into perpertrators.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

  233. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Personally, I like a free speech (uncivil) environment. It’s the way of the future and it gives unz.com a distinct competitive advantage. Uncensored articles and uncensored comments – perfect.

    Also – judging from this thread only – Linh Dinh doesn’t strike me as someone who can be fully objective.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  234. If you want to draw conclusions from the absence of evidence, think about this.

    Consider the attitudes of Germans. Many, perhaps the majority, would be delighted to discover that there is not a problem with sex crimes committed by Muslim immigrants – that it was an exaggeration or even a complete fiction perpetrated by foolish people, perhaps even by the “far right”.

    If the police who are investigating the large numbers of reported crimes came to believe that most of them had never happened, we would have heard about it by now. For anyone who had evidence of this, it would be a career-enhancing move to make it public. There are journalists on the left-leaning press who would be eager to print the news. The politicians who helped or welcomed the immigration would benefit greatly from publicizing the story.

    Instead, we hear silence. The likely reason is that most of the reported crimes did indeed take place.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Jonathan Revusky
  235. Rurik says: • Website
    @Linh Dinh

    I wasn’t talking about you specifically.

    Thank you Mr. Dinh.

    I’ve enjoyed your efforts here on UR and occasionally have commented on your articles, (always with civility I might add ; )

    And I imagine what JR said about your exasperation with gratuitously vulgar comments is valid and understandable, and would have made a lot of sense had it not been on a thread by this particular persona, who more so than anyone I can think of, uses ad hominem taunts and underhanded personal attacks as his debating technique.

    It just seemed an odd place to ask for civility, and more to the point, what Mr. Unz was saying JR should apologize for had nothing to do with civility per se, but rather another underhanded technique of his to “win” the debate – doxing (after having [relentlessly] solicited the personal info in the first place)

    Cheers, and I look forward to more of your insightful and well-written articles

  236. Randal says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Isn’t it better to cultivate an approach of thick skinned disregard, and a personal pride in successfully inhabiting a rough but free area, than to seek heavy handed comment censorship in a political discussion forum?

    The rules already require basic courtesy:

    Comments Policy

    The Unz Review intends to moderate comments with a relatively light hand, believing that knowledge is best obtained through the open clash of conflicting ideas. However, comments and commentators that focus on topics unrelated to the article in question, who substantially indulge in profanities or personal attacks, who advocate illegal activity, or whose grammar or spelling constitutes an embarrassment will not be tolerated.

    But politics is an emotive area and a full contact sport, and feelings often run high. In my experience, going back decades, heavy handed moderation becomes a time sink as the rules are abused to suppress unpopular views and people devote considerable resources to trying to provoke those advocating positions they don’t like into breaking the rules so as to get them banned, etc.

    More than minimal courtesy might be in practice unachievable in an anonymous forum, but anonymity is ever more necessary as our societies become ever less tolerant of dissent.

  237. Dissident says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Linh Dinh had written,

    In July of 2017, Reuter [sic] reported that an “Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.” That is repulsive and certainly a crime, but it is not rape.

    What about sexual assault? Is sexual assault a legitimate characterization of the act of kissing and licking the face of someone against her (or his) will?
    ————–

    Can you, in the context that you use the term, (a) define “racism” and, (b) articulate exactly why you consider it reprehensible and reprobate?

    Whatever the word may have originally meant (which is itself not at all clear), it could hardly be any clearer that “racism” now has little meaning beyond being a highly useful and convenient means of discrediting, /a priori/, dissent from entrenched doctrinaire orthodoxies.

    Additionally, you have apparently used “racism” a number of times here for instances where a more careful “Goodwhite” (J. Derbyshire) would have used “Islamophobia” [sic]. You are aware, I would assume, that Islam is not a race but a religion, one with adherents of all races?

  238. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Personally I have no problem exploring possibilities that Betty Ong did not exist or that no planes hit WTC. Hypotheses like these are actually very elegant and satisfying for their purity and even on empirical level can’t be dismissed out of hand. Possibly Revusky got seduced by this elegance and purity, that he succumbed to a meta-hypothesis view that nothing out there is really real (kind of like in Berkeley’s subjective idealism). Then the reality is no longer messy, complex and complicated. One no longer have to struggle how to discern facts from fiction because there are no facts – everything is a fiction of sort. One just applies the Revusky’s razor and voilà, you do not have to think and wonder anymore – you know. You have arrived to the most desired state for a searching human mind, i.e, the state of knowing. Intellectual satori. But the devil is in the details and approaching knowledge requires lot of work and effort and most of all courage and honesty of admitting to yourself that you simply do not really know, that your knowledge is incomplete, that some proposition are really not decidable within a given set of data. A true state of agnosticism is really a state of constant pain therefore humans easily fall in either of the two states: (1) A is true or (2) A is false but rarely they say I do not know whether A is true or not and if they do, it usually is because they do not care for the answer. Coming up with some meta-rule like the Revusky’s razor is just a cop out and an excuse for not doing a hard work and not admitting to yourself you do not know.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Anon
  239. Dissident says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You and the German Reader guy, and unfortunately utu, you guys are just head cases finally and I think any sane third party reading my exchanges with you guys would end up drawing that conclusion.

    I’m afraid the reality, as I am clearly far from alone in noticing, is quite the reverse.

  240. @Rurik

    when you threatened to dox(x) me for disagreeing with you.

    Well, this is the problem with talking to you. You continually misrepresent what the other person says. You are simply not a truthful person. This is what I wrote:

    First of all, if you continue to insult me personally like this from behind the cloak of anonymity, I will probably out your name, since we have had private correspondence. It’s improper for you to insult me personally like this when I am open about who I am and you are hiding behind an alias. So do stop doing that. It is absolutely improper.

    That is right here: http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/#comment-1728389

    Read it. Understand it. Where do I say that I would out your name for disagreeing with me?

    Clearly, I never threatened to out you for disagreeing with me. You could disagree with me until the cows come home.

    Nowhere! I specifically objected to your insulting me anonymously with things like “idiotic cunt” and “fuckhead”. So, when you claim above that I threatened to dox you for disagreeing with you, that is really quite disgustingly dishonest.

    And really, I don’t like that kind of dishonesty. It is continual with you and I got tired of it generally. The whole idea that you have some grievance against me is preposterous. The guy who started this and fished up this stuff from 6 months ago is probably some sort of hasbara troll trying to make trouble.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  241. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Personally I have no problem exploring possibilities that Betty Ong did not exist or that no planes hit WTC.

    I’m also quite open to “shocking” theories. Except in these cases, I don’t recall any serious evidence being offered, except that e.g. the few paragraphs of text on Betty Ong’s tribute website supposedly seemed suspiciously vague. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    Maybe Wyoming doesn’t really exist. But if someone tries to persuade me the state’s existence is just a concocted hoax, they’ll really need to offer me some pretty strong evidence…

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  242. Dissident says:
    @utu

    Why did he permit you publishing this 11,300 words long piece self indulgent masturbation?

    If only such writing and the thinking it represents would be no more harmful than the subject of your (gratuitously prurient and puerile) metaphor. Does (discreet) auto-eroticism impose upon anyone? Does it advance a false narrative or a pernicious agenda?

  243. utu says:
    @James N. Kennett

    From the articles linked in my comment #197 I got the impression that there was an interesting and subtle spin in German media in writing about the Cologne event. They had to acknowledge that something happened there, however they were stressing out that the perpetrators were not the refugees from war torn countries like Syria who were admitted to Germany by Merkel in September 2015, but mostly immigrants from North African countries like Morocco who apparently are known for antisocial behaviors. The bottom line point was that Merkel’s September 2015 decision was not responsible for the Cologne event.

  244. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    ” .. a shill here trying to make trouble, like the anonymous guy who dredged up my harsh words to Rurik from half a year ago. That guy is obviously some sort of professional troll.”

    Please, this is becoming pitiful. You, sir, in #93 did the dredging, provided a hyperlink, and invited review of that exchange in attacking the credibility of Rurik, a valuable commenter. After that backfired, I honored your next request (#193) to comment on your article. Giving some measured support to your insights along with criticism of your argumentation (#206), I get nothing back but this sniper fire hidden in your reply to someone else.

    This whole thing has grown so over-the-top that I wonder whether, unwilling or unable to concede anything, you’re now striving to lose your publication privilege. You could then claim martyrdom to anyone left in your life who can stand to listen.

    I hope you’re soon happier and more effective in your efforts to make this a better world.

  245. @Rurik

    Rurik, why are you trying to misrepresent what happened in a discussion thread when there is a clear electronic record of it?

    The comment where you called me an “idiotic cunt” was #361, here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/#comment-1727590

    The comment where I casually referred to you as a “brainfucked idiot” was #365, here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/#comment-1729338

    So, obviously, you were not calling me an “idiotic cunt” in response to my calling you a “brainfucked idiot” because that precedes me calling you that.

    In any case, the whole thing is a false equivalence. I did not object to you calling me names. I specifically objected to you doing it from behind a mask of anonymity when I was forthrightly showing my face to the world. I felt and consider to feel that this kind of thing is very improper.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Rurik
    , @Ron Unz
  246. @utu

    Yes, that’s true, they tried to pin it all on criminal North Africans who supposedly had already been in Germany for a few years (so nothing, nothing to do at all with the recent wave of “refugees”!). Later it did emerge though that many of the suspects whose papers had been controlled by police that night were asylum seekers who had arrived only weeks or months before, and included (real or fake) Syrians as well. So Merkel’s open borders policy from September 2015 onwards was a very large factor in creating the preconditions for this incident.

    • Replies: @utu
  247. @Ron Unz

    I’m also quite open to “shocking” theories. Except in these cases, I don’t recall any serious evidence being offered,

    Ron, no such claims were ever made in any of my articles. They were things that came up in discussion threads and they were things about which I did not express absolute certainty either.

    I specifically did not express absolute certainty about Betty Ong. I said at one point that I was about 80% sure that this is a synthetic constructed identity. But, again, this was just something that came up in discussion threads. I never mentioned it in an article.

    The things I put in articles I am typically sure of them at very close to the 100% level. Anybody who looks at the first part of this article, where I exhaustively analyze the Murmansk thing can see how meticulously I will research something for an article. In fact, I do not recall anything I have said in an article coming under any serious attack logically or factually. I am quite careful.

    The only aspect of 9/11 I mentioned in articles is WTC 7, which should be an open and shut case. Obviously it is a controlled demolition. There is nothing visually identical to a controlled demolition that is not, in fact, a controlled demolition. We have the visuals on that and it is clear what it is. This is an example of how visuals can be such a problem for people constructing a phony narrative. This could also be called the “This is an orange” problem.

    Getting back to Betty Ong, the vagueness of any text that describes her is not the only problem with Betty Ong. As little as a few days ago, you casually asked me in email whether I had made any progress on Betty Ong. I replied and this is part of my reply:

    BTW, did you ever track down the debunking info on that Asian flight attendant who graduated HS in SF,

    Well, if I knew anything more, I would have told you. I am completely open about it, including if I had convinced myself that Betty Ong really existed, I would have told you, but…. I have basically given up on this topic. I can’t make any progress whatsoever. (snip) Maybe you could go up to San Francisco and see if you can find an original yearbook. I live in Spain, you know. It’s hard for me to get my hands on a yearbook. The person I was talking to there said there was something afoot to digitalize the yearbooks or something, but of course, that’s double-edged, since falsification is then possible. Better to find an original….

    But every other path just goes cold. I scoured social media and I cannot find anybody who has ever described Betty Ong in such a way that you would believe that this person really knew her. Never. It’s all stuff like the eulogy of the rebbe who obviously never knew the guy, you know what I mean? I can’t get anywhere with Betty Ong. I tend to think she’s a fake. But it’s very hard to prove that. But nothing in particular really hinges on Betty, anyway.

    (snip irrelevant stuff)
    Look at the photos page: http://www.bettyong.org/photos.htm

    This is somebody who became a flight attendant so she could travel the world. She loved travel, they say. Why is there not a single photo of her in front of some recognizable landmark, like the Eiffel Tower? Is Betty Ong the first Asian ethnic female to travel around the world and never take a single photo of herself in front of a famous place? All the photos on the gallery page are phony, I think. They’re photoshopped. A correspondent who wrote me when that whole discussion was going on told me that. Look at the photos closely. They’re pretty weird. Like Betty’s head is copy-pasted into some scene… just look… It’s not certain it’s the same woman in all the photos, but just observe Asian tourists at any landmark snapping photos. Go to Golden Gate Bridge. This woman fulfilled her dream of traveling the the world as a flight attendant and this is what there is? Isn’t that strange, Ron?

    and whom you were sure never really existed, despite all their friends and relatives and alleged spouse

    (snip irrelevant bit here)

    what spouse? Betty Ong was never married, never had any children. Never had any verifiable hobby, just collected barbie dolls or something.

    She did have a live-in boyfriend in an earlier stage of the story, but then they wrote him out and he was kind of disappeared. The story changed. I notice these things when the story changes. In this Murmansk thing, the story changes from 5 Arabs beaten up to 51, even though probably 51 Arabs don’t even fit in the bar where it was supposed to happen… interesting things…

    Anyway, there is no particular reason to believe that Betty Ong is a real person, Ron. But it’s very hard to prove she isn’t. So I’m stymied on the question, and it’s not worth any more of my time. Your idea seems to be that if I can’t prove her non-existence, she must have existed. That’s an interesting idea epistemologically, but…

    So you’re misrepresenting things to say that it was only the text description. However, yeah, there is the problem that there is no description of this person, including from her close family members, that sound as if they were written by someone who actually knew her. However, the paucity of photos of this woman and that what few photos exist seem to be photoshopped, that is also cause for suspicion.

    However, I would never offer that up as proof in an actual article. I was simply sharing why I held these strong suspicions, that’s all. I invite anybody to look into Betty Ong and try to convince themselves that this is a real person.

    Meanwhile, your regular columnists, like Sailer, say… how often does he ever make any concrete effort to fact-check anything? As far as I can tell, he will run with any tabloid story as long as it is ideologically convenient. I believe that if I made a point of documenting all the hoaxes Sailer and others here are taken in by, I would have a full-time job like the German ladies who maintain hoaxmap.org.

    A man for whom I have quite a bit of respect fell for the Murmansk hoax hook line and sinker. Paul Craig Roberts: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/10/16/the-difference-between-russians-and-germans/

    Nobody has pointed out some egregious problem with anything I wrote in an article, where I was taken in by some hoax. So, are you not trying to apply outrageously high standards to me that you apply to nobody else? Moreover, on things that were not even in an article! Just things I wrote in comments!

    It’s very strange. You express now that you are upset about my flaming an anonymous poster six months ago. You say that I assert strange beliefs about Betty Ong, despite that not even being part of any article. Yet you do not apply these standards to anybody else? Why is that?

    In private and public, I sense this seething anger towards me, but I cannot figure out why. I cannot figure out in what way I have wronged you? What is your real grievance against me?

    • Replies: @L.K
  248. @Anonymous

    Does the U.S. Senate like free speech?

    At last tally, 41 U.S. Senators favor outlawing B.D.S.

    Any objective insight on this travesty, Mr. anonymous?

  249. utu says:
    @German_reader

    Glad that you confirm what I just get a hint of in two articles I read.

  250. @utu

    Yes, they are informative articles, and they make it quite clear that the events really did happen.

    Although the perpetrators were mainly from Algeria and Morocco, the articles state that they arrived in Germany in 2015, though it is not clear whether they were part of “Merkel’s Million” – most of whom were not Syrian.

  251. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    In your conflict with Rurik I am closer to siding with you than him probably because he bores me much more than you. When the blow up occurred between him and you, I think, I was somewhat involved. Is it possible it was me who called Rurik on his islamic rape fantasies rant first? I think I used some epithet as well but now do not remember what? Do not get me wrong. I do not agree with all of your analyses and think you lost control of common sense but as far as Rurik persona there is something heavy and repulsive about it while you are silly but can be fun.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Jonathan Revusky
  252. @James N. Kennett

    Consider the attitudes of Germans….

    Well, all of that is such a speculative line of reasoning. If speculating about the motives and psychology of different people in German politics is your proof of whether HUNDREDS of women were sexually assaulted in or around the main train station, you’re tacitly accepting that THERE IS NO REAL PROOF.

    The other problem is that there are people continually putting out stuff that is self-evidently designed to dupe people. For example, that Daily Mail article from nearly a year after the alleged events, saying that they had harrowing footage. Obviously, they have nothing. Why are they claiming that they are presenting video evidence when they are not?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4036668/No-touch-New-footage-Cologne-sex-attacks-reveals-women-screamed-attackers-police-realise-powerless-stop-them.html

    Obviously, some political configuration with the power to insert that kind of “news” story in the media is very intent on having the public believe that this actually happened, no?

    In any case, regarding the debate even on this very page, little Johnny has to say whether (a) he did not do his homework because there was a death in the family or (b) he did do his homework but the dog ate it.

    So somebody has to figure out why there are no visuals; (a) It was too dark, blah blah or (b) the authorities have it but destroyed it or are suppressing it…

    The fact that they’re presenting different contradictory explanations for the lack of visuals and then trying to pass off things as visuals of the event that obviously are not — all of this demonstrates obvious dissembling. Why is that?

  253. Rurik says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Where do I say that I would out your name for disagreeing with me?

    Clearly, I never threatened to out you for disagreeing with me. You could disagree with me until the cows come home.

    it was because I disagreed with your theory, that you became impertinent and abusive, demanding that I provide some evidence of rapes that I had gone on the record and stated might not have even happened, yet the (sorry - idiotic) badgering for the videos kept up until I confess I broke, and called you a cunt. (You were acting like one ; )

    as far as dishonesty goes, as I mentioned to Alexander at the time, your attempts to pretend that Rotherham and all the other acts of Muslim savagery and rape are isolated and have nothing to do with a Civilizational transformation from Sweden to Australia, where the girls are treated to it “Leb style”;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes

    is in my opinion grossly dishonest. The problem is that you’d have to be a ragging moron not to comprehend that the problem is civilizational, and not isolated incidents, as you’d like to (dishonestly) pretend. But admitting that there is a civilizational problem in the West with non-Western men raping and assaulting Western citizens doesn’t suit your (obvious) agenda, so therefor you prefer to cling to your (obviously) dishonest tripe = that there is no problems and no rapes or assaults (except for isolated incidents that have nothing to do with anything).

    so, it was because I disagreed with you, (as I am now), that you lost it and started with your (by now notorious) abuse. And it was because of that abuse that I called you an “idiotic cunt”.

  254. @Astuteobservor II

    I can kinda, sorta understand a couple of his points though. I don’t agree with most of it.

    Well, that’s a really useful critique, isn’t it? What precisely is your point of disagreement?

    why are there no videos or photos for the hundreds of cases in germany? a possibility could be the german police/govt suppressed them.

    Well, isn’t another explanation simply that it didn’t happen? The police can confiscate CCTV video, I suppose, but how do they confiscate ALL of the video taken on people’s cell phones?

    Consider another case. Osama Bin Laden was buried at sea on the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson. There are like 5000 crew members aboard or something. Apparently nobody got that on camera. I don’t think any of them even claim they saw it!

    So you can come up with all kinds of explanation for the lack of visuals, but maybe one should at least consider is the simplest explanation: it did not happen!

    Actually, the simplest explanation for the lack of visuals is always going to be that the event simply didn’t happen, isn’t it? At least, if it’s recent and there are thousands of people around?

    was there any cctv footage? I know the british love their cctvs, does germany have them?

    UH, no, of course not. Germany is a backward third-world country.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  255. Rurik says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    The comment where I casually referred to you as a “brainfucked idiot” was #365,

    in the context that I posted those quotes, it was specifically intended to show to Mr. Dinh examples of incivility. Not a sequential causality for any comment in particular- and it wasn’t characterized as such.

    I did not object to you calling me names. I specifically objected to you doing it from behind a mask of anonymity

    Ok then. Let’s get this out in the open.

    Do you think it’s fair and proper for you, posting as yourself, using your real name, to be abusive and disrespectful as you please, to others who’re using a pseudonym, because they’re posting anonymously?

    And that if they return your vitriol, then you have the right to threaten to betray the trust they put in you and publish their private information?

    If that’s how you feel, then by all means lay it on the line

  256. Rurik says: • Website
    @utu

    Rurik I am closer to siding with you than him probably because he bores me much more than you.

    charming ethos you have for criteria utu

    it possible it was me who called Rurik on his islamic rape fantasies rant

    likely it was utu, since you’re not above being an agenda-driven liar, huh?

    or, you can post a link to these “rape fantasies” you’re projecting

    or would that be too much to ask of a puffed up, self-aggrandizing nob who reeks of pseudo-intellectualism and an obvious craving for validation

    heavy and repulsive

    what is heavy and repulsive is watching your precious delusions systematically shattered by the hard truth.

  257. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    In any case, the whole thing is a false equivalence. I did not object to you calling me names. I specifically objected to you doing it from behind a mask of anonymity when I was forthrightly showing my face to the world.

    Here’s the problem, Jonathan…

    Something like 99% of the commenters on this webzine maintain “a mask of anonymity” and given the social constraints of our society (not to mention the criminal laws in some other countries) I can certainly understand why.

    Offhand, I think you tend to personally insult and crudely vilify other commenters here more than just about anyone else who comes to mind. But since you supposedly use your own name, you claim that you should have that right, but almost nobody else should. I really don’t consider that the sort of attitude that makes for an equitable discussion of ideas.

    From my perspective, everyone here should be on a level playing field, and if you go around insulting them, they should feel free to insult you right back. Your name and their “handles” are equally valid personal identifiers.

    If I strictly followed a rule of “no personal insults” I’d probably trash 5% of the other comments, but maybe 60% of yours.

    When you submitted your piece, I candidly told you that although I thought it contained some useful information, it was probably at least 3x too long and partly for that reason, generally not very good. You strongly disagreed and suggested that the commenters would prove your evaluation was correct. I’m not sure that most of them have.

    The main reason I published your piece is that I felt since you’d obviously spent a great deal of time writing the 11,000 words, I might as well provide a few dozen KB of temporary RAM so that other people could read it. I do hope you won’t make me regret my decision.

  258. @Jonathan Revusky

    Well, that’s a really useful critique, isn’t it? What precisely is your point of disagreement?

    I am not 100% sure I agree with your no video = it didn’t happen. police reports? how many victims came forward? that can also shed light on the events right? videos are not the end all be all. videos will help, but are you saying if 50+ women reporting being groped and molested are all fake? I honestly haven’t check into this matter much before this article, just a smattering of news articles when it happened. I have no idea about the number of police reports about this very topic.

    I am not trying to explain it away. just thinking about what really happened one way or another.

    UH, no, of course not. Germany is a backward third-world country.

    see this is where attitudes come in :) for investigative journalism. you will check the police reports. find out the locations of the reported gropes and molestation. and try to find if there are any cctv covering the area where the suppose crime happened. not whole sale dismissal. there is no need be snide in your responses :) that is why you caught so much ill will.

  259. Rurik says: • Website

    For the record, I consider JR to be a valuable contributor to this site.

    I’ve enjoyed his work with 9/11 and his assorted memes regarding people’s self (and otherwise)-imposed delusions.

    I just happen to disagree with him vis-a-vis his theory of ‘no videos = no groping’

    for my entire life all I’ve seen from the ((media)) and my ((government)) and the ((PTB)), is a relentless campaign to demonize any white man’s objection to his marginalization and disenfranchisement and ethnic replacement, up to and including the relentless moral and spiritual assaults upon his dignity, his heritage, his ancestry, indeed, his very right to exist. And especially if he objects to mass-immigration and other outrages upon his nations and any hope for his children to grow up in countries that don’t end up like Zimbabwe or South Africa, (where Sweden and France seem to be headed fast)- where I’m sure there are people who will dismiss any Muslim or African or Asian rapes that happened there, because news of them doesn’t suit The Agenda.

    and that agenda has been to ethnically cleanse white people out of white lands. Duh!

    and make them pay for the trouble. I’ve seen it up close and personal in places like Miami, where white folks have been run out on a rail, and if anyone complained they’d be hounded and scourged as a “racist!” So, like in Rotherham, they simply put their heads down and shuffle off with their tails between their legs, rather than be called a ‘racist!’.

    ~so~

    when someone tries to tell me that the ((PTB)) are now all in the sudden making up stories of Muslim rapists, that they’ve been systematically suppressing and making excuses for for years, it just doesn’t’ pass the straight-face test.

    that’s like saying that the American media are now only reporting crimes committed by blacks against whites, and are suppressing all stories of the reverse. I’d think I’d imagine that I woke up in the Twilight Zone, and everything I’d known about the media and PTB for my entire life, were all reversed 180° just like that.

    here’s news for JR ~ the PTB and the ((media)) *want* to flood all white, Western nations with non-white, non-Western people. Duh! They want them to blend and breed out the whites for their myriad and obvious reasons of resentment and tribal hegemony. [see MacDonald, Kevin]

    And they use their media to lie about or suppress the negative consequences of this transformation with every agenda-driven, lying breath that they take. OK?

    that’s the OBVIOUS truth of it, and any who can’t see that are either blind or beyond stupid, or.. more likely agenda-driven themselves, and want for that transformation to happen. (all non-White people and most Jews, and the homosexuals and all the ugly feminists and deluded white liberals and the hoards and throngs of third world people who would understandably want to come here for all the opportunities and/or freebies)

    So what is going on, I think, is that JR and I simply don’t see eye to eye in this ideological battle for the heart and soul (and future existence) of the Western world in the 21st century and beyond. That’s all.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  260. @Ron Unz

    Ron, I may (or may not) later take the time to write a point-by-point rebuttal to what you’re saying here. But now I’m tired and want to get some sleep.

    Right now, I’d like to just ask you one question:

    Do you believe that there is a Muslim Rape Army (obviously not literally with ranks and insignia, but you know what I mean…) raping women right, left, and center in Germany and other European countries?

    Is there a “Muslim rape crisis”? Or is this just a monumental case of what I have called in my writing a “synthetic narrative”?

    I am very interested to know your opinion on this.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  261. @Dissident

    (It appears that the final sentence above was meant to have read, “I have no problem believing this.”)

    Correct.

    Haven’t you missed what was the aspect of the Rotherham affair that…

    But I thought we were talking about the alleged incident in Cologne? I already explained that I believe that the events in Rotherham occurred as described. Or, at least, I assume that. I have not investigated it that much.

    As I said, the problem that I have with Cologne is not an issue with Rotherham. Nobody is alleging that all the crimes occurred in the middle of the train station or somewhere like that.

    The issue wrt key points in my article is lack of visual evidence. That is simply not an issue with Rotherham. It’s easy to understand why there is no visual evidence.

    In any case, it’s a completely different sort of thing, in a completely different country as well! The fact that when you talk about Cologne, they want to shift over to Rotherham or something else, this reinforces my sense that people kinda know that they are on very shaky ground with Cologne. There really should be some visual evidence given the nature of what they claim happened.

    • Replies: @utu
  262. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Right now, I’d like to just ask you one question:

    Do you believe that there is a Muslim Rape Army (obviously not literally with ranks and insignia, but you know what I mean…) raping women right, left, and center in Germany and other European countries?

    Well, I’m busy with my own work and don’t have too much more time to waste on your nonsense, but I’ll respond to this particular question…

    I think the first time I ever heard of a “Muslim Rape Army” was in your absurdly long article, and since I didn’t find it persuasive, I’d have to answer No.

    On the other hand, although I’ve never investigated the issue, I do think it’s pretty likely that many, many hundreds of German women in Cologne were sexually assaulted by Muslim immigrant men at the incident under discussion, with the assaults ranging from groping and pawing to probably a few outright rapes of various sorts. Some of the news stories cited in this comment-thread seem pretty persuasive.

    I also have the impression there’s been an outpouring of other sexual assaults by Muslim immigrant men against European women in Sweden, Germany, and various other Northern European countries over the last few years. Unless you can produce some plausible evidence to the contrary, the MSM accounts I’ve seen here and there carry the day. Given the influx of millions of unattached youthful immigrant men from societies with radically different social norms and war-torn conditions, I hardly find this development very surprising. Personally, I don’t have a clue about the actual numbers.

    The central goal of your article was refuting some propagandistic/exaggerated piece appearing in a smallish rightwing webzine, perhaps written by some ignorant intern in his early twenties, and I think you effectively accomplished that task. But as I told you a few days ago, I can’t see why you wasted 11,000 words on attacking such a petty target, or what you hoped to achieve by that “victory.”

    My suspicion is that there was indeed some sort of minor brawl between a few Russians and a few foreigners at that Murmansk-area nightclub, and the story got exaggerated and later spread in certain circles. I’d imagine that a dozen such similar brawls happen in nightclubs around the world each and every day, though they are usually ignored by the media.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Jonathan Revusky
  263. @Rurik

    Rurik,,

    Agreed —
    It s good now to turn eyes to how the Enemy is in an advanced stage of implementing an attack on Iran.

    I am sad when brilliant commenters at Unz Review get their reasoning reduced by abdication of instinctive INTUITION. Thank you

    P.S. I miss the appearance of Paul Craig Roberts here.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @L.K
    , @NoseytheDuke
  264. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Is “satori” a commonly used word in the US these days? I personally never came across it until my mother used it in a novel; she asked me my opinion on a passage and I expressed surprise at the apparently unnecessary use of obscure Japanese terminology in what seemed like an inappropriate context, but if the word is really in common use, then this objection of course doesn’t stand.

    • Replies: @utu
  265. utu says:
    @Anon

    I think that anybody who flirted with Buddhism knows what does satori mean. It is in all dictionaries.

  266. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    When you submitted your piece, I candidly told you that although I thought it contained some useful information, it was probably at least 3x too long and partly for that reason, generally not very good. You strongly disagreed and suggested that the commenters would prove your evaluation was correct. I’m not sure that most of them have.

    Are you candidly connecting readership reception with inherent quality of a piece?…

    You should then insistently invite people to stop reading your site and look to the Guardians, Posts, Times’es, …

    Revusky is a socially unintelligent person, which equates to a very sincere, impassioned one.
    He is a feeling type, you are a rational type. The “3x length” thing stems from that difference.

    I am glad that you have offered him a platform so far, and really think you should keep doing so — while maybe reminding to yourself a bit less often to make it clear to Jonathan what the power hierarchies at this site are.

    • Agree: utu
  267. Logan says:

    Fake but accurate.

  268. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    I felt since you’d obviously spent a great deal of time writing the 11,000 words, I might as well provide a few dozen KB of temporary RAM

    Hey, Ron, if you still have a few KB of temporary RAM to spare, you might reconsider my reply to Fred Reed’s nonsensical piece on evolution, to which I emailed you the link on October 3. I received no acknowledgement, which seemed odd since it was a well informed and reasonably well written article. But perhaps, for some reason, it didn’t gain your attention.

  269. TWS says:
    @Ron Unz

    Regret it. He is reliably one of your worst submitters. The point of this article was so short that two sentences could have sufficed.

    Ignoring the fact that this is a mendacious, poorly written, and edited diatribe, it is so full of strawmen and false assumptions it might as well be the Rotherham police reports that said no children were raped and blamed the parents for trying to bring justice to the Muslims. Ignoring all that, it is simply too long.

    I’m done reading this guy. Just because you can host someone doesn’t mean you should.

  270. denk says:

    At least I know this is real, no argument about it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  271. Good grief, I couldn’t finish this article from sheer boredom.

    Next time drop the “humor” and cut down the needless filler material. I’m here for facts, not stories about how you found the facts.

    • Troll: L.K
  272. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @denk

    I see no rapes, bro. Remember: pics or it didn’t happen.

    As a punishment for failing the Revusky’s Razor test, you must read the article again. Post a video of you reading it for confirmation.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
    , @denk
  273. L.K says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I had noticed Unz’s outrageous double standards even before you mentioned it, it is so obvious.

    As for his grievance against you; I would imagine that it might have something to do with the fact you go places nobody goes and it pisses a lot of folks off… including Unz himself. The fact that you point out the contradictions and double standards employed by several of the writers who are published here, like you just mentioned Karlin, probably does not help either. It cannot be because of alleged inaccuracies or falsehoods in your articles, since, for one thing, there is plenty of that in perhaps a majority of articles published in this webzine, and it does not seem to be a problem for Unz.

    My feeling is Unz has probably been looking for a pretext to axe you… and he may have found one with this rurik brouhaha…

    Keep writing, man, if not here, consider starting a small blog or something.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rurik
  274. L.K says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey Chuck,

    Good to see you back!

  275. @Anonymous

    Post a video of you reading it for confirmation.

    I suppose the video could confirm that he read the article because we could see his lips moving. However, how would the video show that he understood it?

  276. L.K says:
    @Ron Unz

    Unz:

    “Well, I’m busy with my own work and don’t have too much more time to waste on your nonsense, but I’ll respond to this particular question…”

    Really? So why is it that I nearly only ever see you pop up in the comment sections – besides under your own articles – under Revusky’s & then only to attack the guy with your eye pokes and knees to the groin type of stuff? Plenty of the people you publish are intellectual frauds, some are outright liars. You don’t seem to have a problem with any of that.

    Unz:

    I think the first time I ever heard of a “Muslim Rape Army” was in your absurdly long article, and since I didn’t find it persuasive, I’d have to answer No.

    Uh, This is just disingenuous. While MRA is just an acronym R came up with, the notion of hordes of Muslims raping left and right in Europe is very easy to spot in right wing circles.
    That is obviously what R is referring to and you know it.
    As for your “long article” complaint, I don’t get it… first, bc R rarely posts and second… not long ago you were complaining people would not read books anymore & you have a prob with longer articles? doesn’t make sense.

    Unz:

    On the other hand, although I’ve never investigated the issue, I do think it’s pretty likely that many, many hundreds of German women in Cologne were sexually assaulted by Muslim immigrant men at the incident under discussion, with the assaults ranging from groping and pawing to probably a few outright rapes of various sorts. Some of the news stories cited in this comment-thread seem pretty persuasive.

    So, given you have conceded to have never investigated the issue, your opinion does not carry much weight. Obviously, there is clearly a problem in several countries with Muslim migrants & various types of crime, rape included, and clearly taking in 100s of thousands in short order is an idiotic idea that only aggravates the situation.

    Germany is at the epicenter of this, and key to understand why, is to understand Germany is not a sovereign country. But the types here ain’t interested in talking about that. As for the Cologne situation, having investigated it somewhat, my ‘impression’ – don’t really know of course – is that something did happen but that it has been exaggerated & distorted. Sort of like the 5 guys who were allegedly beat up becoming 51. Point is, a lot of what is reported re Muslims in Europe & elsewhere, particularly concerning terrorism & the mass rape meme, is pretty fraudulent.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Randal
  277. @Ron Unz

    Okay, well, thank you for answering my question. Based on your answer, I think your understanding of the overall situation is pretty superficial, but I know from experience that a point-by-point answer on my part will be a waste of time. I know from experience that you would then just walk away from the conversation.

    So I’ll take a different tack now and see if that works better. I’ll just pose a scenario, a parable if you will, and ask your opinion on what it means, how you react to it. Here goes…

    Let’s say that you have a distinct memory of a news story that came out about a year ago. The story is that an elephant escaped from the local zoo. It was wandering around the city center of San Francisco for several hours in broad daylight, before being recaptured and taken back to the zoo. This was in July of 2016, let’s say. This was a story that was reported in various newspapers and various people are quoted that this happened, they saw it. One Mrs. Ong (hey, maybe related to Betty!) is interviewed and says that the elephant trampled all over her vegetable garden. Other stuff like this…

    Apparently, hundreds of people say they saw this as well. It has entered into the popular lore of weird shit that has happened in San Francisco. Ripley’s Believe it or Not material. (You gonna believe it, I wonder?)

    It occurs to you now, a year later, that a picture of an elephant walking through downtown San Francisco could be a great visual to accompany an article you are going to publish. So you figure you’ll find a good photo of this on the internet that you can use.

    Well, you know how to use google like the best of them, no? You look and look. No photos, no videos of an elephant walking around in downtown San Francisco can be found.

    That’s odd, huh?

    What do you conclude from this? This isn’t just for Ron Unz. Anybody can think about the above scenario and weigh in. Hopefully, you can share your thoughts honestly, at least.

    The central goal of your article was refuting some propagandistic/exaggerated piece appearing in a smallish rightwing webzine,

    LOL! Ron, that was obviously NOT the central goal of the article. The above demonstrates that you read it (most likely speed-read it) but did not understand it. Maybe if you seriously consider the above parable, you will come to understand the article better.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  278. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @L.K

    You’re either Revusky’s alt or his mother. There’s no other explanation for your posting history in this thread.

    • Troll: Jonathan Revusky
  279. Ron Unz says:
    @L.K

    So, given you have conceded to have never investigated the issue, your opinion does not carry much weight.

    Well, actually a somewhat pro-Revusky commenter posted upthread a lengthy excerpt from an extremely detailed account of the Cologne attacks, allegedly based on first-hand interviews:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-muslim-rape-army-is-coming-to-getcha/#comment-1944185

    Is it correct? Who knows—I wasn’t there. But I’d give it much more credit than Revusky’s few sentences of hand-waving denial. Plus there are a vast number of other roughly similar claims floating around. Anyway, despite my harsh criticism of the MSM, one needs to provide at least a certain amount of hard evidence to overcome MSM presumption.

    And Revusky’s only real argument is that he can’t find any Cologne videos. But doesn’t Revusky also claim that all the very famous videos showing 747s hitting the WTC were faked? If he doesn’t believe anything without videos but also says that videos he doesn’t agree with are faked, hasn’t he retreated into pure solipsism?

    He also has a bad tendency of endlessly accusing lots of other commenters of being Deep State agents or shills or something. Well, who knows? When Revusky sent me his enormously long piece I was joking with him that I thought there was probably a greater likelihood that he was actually a Cass Sunstein agent, working very hard to discredit “conspiracy theorists” or “9/11 Truthers.”

  280. Avery says:
    @Ron Unz

    {the very famous videos showing 747s hitting the WTC were faked?}

    There were no 747s involved in 9/11: the airplanes were 2 767s and 2 757s.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  281. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    one needs to provide at least a certain amount of hard evidence to overcome MSM presumption.

    Not to mention the motive. He was carefully tiptoeing around that elephant in the room.

    If both the pro-immigrant establishment and the anti-immigrant opposition hate the invaders – how did they end up there? Was it the lizard species from outer space? Do we have videos?

  282. Randal says:

    Uh, This is just disingenuous. While MRA is just an acronym R came up with, the notion of hordes of Muslims raping left and right in Europe is very easy to spot in right wing circles.
    That is obviously what R is referring to and you know it.

    It’s clearly a usefully flexible straw man for Revusky. Of course, for any widely supported political cause you can always find someone somewhere who is extreme or dishonest enough to put forward any exaggerated lunacy you want to use to discredit it.

    If he had picked some of the genuinely nasty types pushing obsessively overstated exaggerations (these are mostly found in the Israeli and American Israeli-sympathising neocon right, since fomenting conflict between Islam and the US/Europe – above and beyond their obsessively dishonest targeting of Iran in particular – has been a longstanding objective of the Israeli regime and its backers) as his target and given examples of specific gross exaggerations that could honestly be portrayed as claiming the existence of a “muslim rape army” (and I don’t doubt he could find such examples), then at least his Aunt Sally might have had some relevance.

    But he didn’t do that, he tried to use it as a straw man to make it easy to criticise those who express reasonable concern about the undoubted criminality issues relating to mass muslim immigration and in particular the Cologne incident.

    His argument that the desperately pro-immigration and politically correct German government, opposition, local government and mainstream media could somehow have been part of, or victims of, a wholesale manufactured incident on the scale of the Cologne event is absurd on its face. As was mentioned above, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to back them up. And what evidence does he rely on? Merely a personal opinion that “there would be videos” if anything significant had happened. And despite all the people pointing out the perfectly valid reasons why such videos might not exist or be in the public domain if they do exist, he has desperately clung to his assertion that nothing out of the ordinary happened on New Year’s Eve in Cologne in 2015 – despite the undoubted fact that the police chief was suspended and forced to resign precisely because the disorder that year was regarded as unacceptable.

    Under pressure he conceded that some background level of criminality might have been present, the same as there presumably is every year. Presumably he will claim that this background level was conveniently low enough so as not to require videos of it to exist for him to believe in it.

    All this leaves the presumption that he has both a tin ear for European politics and social trends, and a desperate personal need to join in the establishment attacks on “racists” and nationalists, for whatever reason. If he chooses to do so, he deserves all the hostility he receives from them in return, and he deserves to be laughed at in future should he ever seek support from his fellow deplorables in the face of the similar attacks on him as a “Holocaust denier” and 9/11 dissenter.

    Those for whom mass immigration, and in particular mass muslim immigration, is a primary concern should have been left in no doubt of his contempt both for them, as mere “racists”, and for their concerns (notwithstanding his contradictory claims to have “sympathy” for their positions in the piece, which ring entirely hollow in view of his gratuitous choice to point his guns at them and blaze away).

    Obviously, there is clearly a problem in several countries with Muslim migrants & various types of crime, rape included, and clearly taking in 100s of thousands in short order is an idiotic idea that only aggravates the situation.

    ….

    As for the Cologne situation, having investigated it somewhat, my ‘impression’ – don’t really know of course – is that something did happen but that it has been exaggerated & distorted.

    So in other words your opinion as to the likely truth of the situation is pretty much exactly the same as that of those here arguing against Revusky’s repeated insistence that “nothing” happened in Cologne in 2015 – certainly your characterisation is almost word for word the same as both mine and Unz’s above.

    That’s reassuring I suppose, but in that case you clearly disagree fundamentally with Revusky’s core application of his argument to Cologne: that the absence of video evidence in the public domain makes it impossible – IMPOSSIBLE, even – that anything out of the ordinary happened in Cologne.

    I’m sure somewhere above you’ve pointed out to him your fundamental disagreement with him on this.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Rurik
  283. Randal says:
    @L.K

    Comment 284 above was intended as a reply to your comment 278. Not sure why it came out as a post to the general thread rather than a reply.

  284. Rurik says: • Website
    @L.K

    Keep writing, man,

    I agree

    I don’t always agree with JR’s theories (no planes for instance), but his skepticism and keen insights are an important part of our evolving collective lexicon.

    I was thinking I consider him sort of like that character from the X-men movies,

    where he has all this potentially destructive energy, but unless it’s focused, it just annihilates all in its path.

    JR is an important contributor, and there is no “rurik brouhaha…”

    water under the bridge

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  285. @Randal

    these are mostly found in the Israeli and American Israeli-sympathising neocon right, since fomenting conflict between Islam and the US/Europe – above and beyond their obsessively dishonest targeting of Iran in particular – has been a longstanding objective of the Israeli regime and its backers

    I’m not even sure that’s absolutely true (though of course there are some examples, e.g. the neocon-affiliated Gatestone Institute might be such a case)…there are some strange alliances nowadays, and you’ve got pro-Israel journalists who are pushing a positive view even of Saudi-Arabia, due to Israel’s and Saudi-Arabia’s alliance of convenience against Iran (e.g. in German “conservative” media there’s a mendacious Jewish journalist Rafael Seligman who rolls out the usual line of Iranian “expansionism” and peaceful Saudi-Arabia feeling “threatened” by it…that guy is also in favour of Merkel’s open borders policy, bashes the right-wing AfD and is leading member of some “antiracist” group).
    In any case, I’m deeply suspicous of people using terms like “Islamophobia”, as if Muslims were always poor persecuted victims or manipulated pawns without agency of their own…in the European context this is definitely not the case.

    • Replies: @Randal
  286. Rurik says: • Website
    @Randal

    Hey Randal,

    personal need to join in the establishment attacks on “racists” and nationalists, for whatever reason. If he chooses to do so, he deserves all the hostility he receives from them in return, and he deserves to be laughed at in future should he ever seek support from his fellow deplorables in the face of the similar attacks on him as a “Holocaust denier” and 9/11 dissenter.

    I’ve sort of learned to pick and choose the salient gems people offer up, even it they’re sometimes covered in quag.

    There are many commenters here with whom I disagree on many issues. – I suspect most of the fairer contributors here consider me an irredeemable racist and a coarse lout, for some of my views and language. But then occasionally I’ll say something one of them will agree with, and they’ll take it for what it’s worth.

    I don’t always agree with LK or JR or even their gentle uncle, or, really anyone all the time. But some of even the most intractable people make worthy contributions. There’s a guy otherwise known as RTW who I suspect hates my (white) guts, but often has something to contribute that’s interesting and informative. So I like to see and read all sides of people’s issues and opinions, and sift for the gems.

    I don’t need to belabor my disagreements with JR vis-a-vis this particular thread, but JR has also written some very worthy tomes, and has contributed much.

    • Replies: @Randal
  287. @utu

    In your conflict with Rurik

    I’m wondering…. how many people realize that the fictitious interlocutor in the dialogue under “Stop making sense” is largely based on Rurik? I don’t suppose Rurik has realized it! Self-observation is difficult for everybody, but for an entity like Rurik, the capacity for self-awareness like that is non-existent.

    Of course, to be fair, that was not exclusively based on him either, because the phenomenon certainly transcends him, but this whole kind of blithe attitude towards facts is so typical of certain people. The guy in the dialogue says: “What does it matter if this really happened or not? I get emotional satisfaction out of it, dammit!”

    This is one aspect of what I call the “Culture of Bullshit” and it’s really something pretty toxic, this kind of indifference to facts and that facts are flexible depending on how they make you feel and… it’s the absolute enemy of any serious intellectual conversation, of course, because any serious intellectual conversation has to be built on a foundation of a reverence for factual truth!

    So this is the kind of toxic shit that Rurik was engaging in under my last article and I just finally said: “look, I’ve had enough of this crap.” I’d ask him to consider whether it is possible for hundreds of women to get sexually assaulted in a wide open space and for there to be no visual evidence and he’d just ignore the question and resume his rant about the “suicide of the white race”.

    Just this kind of typical crank behavior that, unfortunately, pervades this space. It’s like when you read some long rant by “Priss Factor” and he even makes some sense for a while but you know he’s going to start talking about the Big Black C*** and what a threat it is. You know, the BBC. The British Broadcasting Corporation. The guy is totally obsessed with the British Broadcasting Corporation. What a great glorious whack job Priss Factor is! Right?

    The thing is that Rurik is now here claiming that I threatened to “dox” him for disagreeing with him! That is so clearly false that I initially thought he must be consciously lying, but then I realized that, since that is the interpretation of things that gives him emotional satisfaction, that is what he believes, I guess. Clearly, I provided the quote and the link, where I said to him specifically that he could even insult me personally if he wants, but I wasn’t going to let him do it anonymously. Keep calling me “idiotic cunt” and stuff like that anonymously and you won’t be anonymous any more!

    What on earth is unreasonable about my position? I never complained that he disagreed with me really. But there is this blithe attitude towards facts, a refusal to focus on any factual question. It’s like you’re talking about an incident in Cologne and then he replies by ranting about something that happened in an entirely different country. Rotherham, which is in England… or what happened to the whites in Zimbabwe!

    And then I’d just answer that these things have nothing to do with Cologne. And then he’d answer that the problem was that I didn’t agree with him about Zimbabwe, when I had not even expressed any opinion ever about Zimbabwe! When have I ever said anything about Zimbabwe??? That was just something off-topic that he was ranting about.

    This kind of crank behavior… Well, you were there and anybody can go look at it. It’s all under my last article. The idea that I, somebody who has contributed real articles and signs his name to them here, am supposed to apologize to an anonymous crank, that has got to be an all time first in internet history, no?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  288. Randal says:
    @German_reader

    The tactical alliances with Saudi Arabia, and with Al Qaeda etc in Syria, are shorter term opportunist issues for Israel. The longer term aim of fomenting a civilizational war between Islam and Christianity is so they can secure US/European acquiescence in their most extreme dreams of annihilation of their regional enemies.

    In any case, I’m deeply suspicious of people using terms like “Islamophobia”, as if Muslims were always poor persecuted victims or manipulated pawns without agency of their own…in the European context this is definitely not the case.

    Absolutely – it’s another smear term like “racist”, “homophobe” and “antisemite” and nobody who uses such terms without careful qualification should be trusted when they do so – they’re usually used dishonestly.

  289. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    an elephant escaped from the local zoo

    Stop. Just stop. It’s not the same. Real rape footage barely exists on the Clearnet. Your whole point – which you’re using to claim that Merkel is complicit (!?) – rests on a massively faulty assumption.

    Please reignite your “investigation” and find

    any

    German rape videos (V) for the year 2016 and the number of reported rapes (R) for that same period. Then cut down R to only include reports where witnesses were present and find the percentage of reported rapes you were able to confirm on Youtube (X).

    100/R * V = X

    Next: calculate how many Cologne rape videos (CV) you “should” have found from the Cologne rape reports (CR) if the story is not a hoax.

    X/100 * CR = CV

    Is it zero?

  290. @Ron Unz

    But I’d give it much more credit than Revusky’s few sentences of hand-waving denial.

    Well, you know better than I, I suppose. 5 minutes of your thinking is worth 5 months of me grappling with a question…. researching it thoroughly…

    One thing.. Are you aware of this?

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    What is the explanation of how Marcia Adair walked through the area about the time that this allegedly happened, yet saw absolutely nothing of it? Rather odd, no? This Marcia Adair woman is definitely real. For example, here is her facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/marciaadair

    Why is it that the most scandalous story that emerged from the whole thing later turned out to be a hoax?

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    In general, why do so many of these things later turn out to be hoaxes?

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/berlin-girl-13-admits-making-claims-she-was-raped-by-migrants-germany-1541242

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/police-say-13-year-old-girl-made-up-refugee-sex-attack-at-swimming-pool-in-austria-a7120556.html

    I mean to say, if all this stuff is happening organically in Europe anyway, why the need to mount all these hoaxes? And you run into things like this…

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    Why on earth the need to mount that hoax if refugees are doing this anyway?

    Anyway, just wondering what you think of this. Also, do you intend to answer my comment above, #279?

    Oh and I was wondering? What on earth do you think happened with the planes on 9/11? You believe that passenger jets flew into buildings, right?

    So you also believe they were hijacked by the 19 Arabs? Is that your belief or do you have some other interesting theory? You have never been clear on what you actually believe happened, just that whatever I say is self-evidently absurd. So what do you think happened?

    • Replies: @Randal
  291. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I believe that the events in Rotherham occurred as described.

    Why? What about the Revusky razor? Did you see visuals from Rotherham?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  292. Sparkon says:
    @Avery

    Don’t be too hard on Mr. Unz.

    After all, even the aforementioned Betty Ong herself must have thought for a moment she was on a 747 that fateful day, as she chatted away for 25 minutes with American Airlines Reservations:

    “On number one, he stood upstairs…”

    Indeed, 747s have an “upstairs,” but 767s don’t.

    747s are easy to distinguish from both 767s and 757s — at least for airplane nuts — not only because the 747 has four engines, while 767s and 757s have only two engines, but mostly because of the 747′s very distinctive profile.

    Shhh…also, the 747 didn’t offer the Ginsu Steel Steak Knife Leading Edge option for the wings, so they weren’t nearly as good for slicing through steel walls.

    Entire Flight 11 Folder

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  293. Randal says:
    @Rurik

    There are many commenters here with whom I disagree on many issues…..But some of even the most intractable people make worthy contributions.

    Of course. You and I have had a good go at each other before now (on the culpability of the American people. mainly, iirc), but that doesn’t mean I don’t agree with some of your contributions and find some I don’t agree with interesting.

  294. @Randal

    The longer term aim of fomenting a civilizational war between Islam and Christianity is so they can secure US/European acquiescence in their most extreme dreams of annihilation of their regional enemies.

    That’s certainly possible, a major international crisis might give the Israelis the opportunity to expel the Palestinians from the occupied territories, maybe annex even more territory. Still, a civilizational conflict between post-Christian Europe and Islam might be happening anyway, even without any Israeli/Zionist input, if current trends aren’t forcefully stopped; Turkey, the gulf states, organisations like the Muslim brotherhood etc. don’t have friendly intentions towards Europe.

  295. RodW says:

    Just some thoughts on video from someone who sometimes makes them.

    Here’s a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?…

    Just by glancing through Google news in the morning before starting work, I’ve seen videos of more than five homicides taken on mobile phones and security cameras. Several of them were police shooting people to death. Just the other day there was a video of a white alleged junkie stabbing a black loafer in the chest.

    So public video of mayhem isn’t that unusual. The important caveat is that most of this video was shot in daytime. The only exception I can think of was taken by a security camera.

    Anyone who has tried to use a smartphone to take video knows that while the quality is very good in daylight, it’s generally unusable when taken at night. So to argue that there should have been video proof if the molestation happened is to ignore the crucial issue of the capabilities of phone video.

    The video shown in the Daily Mail link purports to have been taken by a ‘specially trained’ police videographer. The quality of the video is very poor, but still better than what a mobile phone would take. Visually it’s not adequate to judge whether molestation is happening or not, although the sound does tend to suggest that. For reasons that aren’t adequately explained, we’re invited to discount the sound.

    So it seems reasonable to suppose that even if people had taken footage with phones, its quality would have been too poor to bother a) keeping and b) publishing (both equally important considerations). As for the police footage, its late emergence might well have been prompted by criticism of the police, whereupon they leaked or provided something that they thought was compelling. It’s a pattern that we see around the world with footage.

    So to conclude, given the nature of video technology, the relative but not complete paucity of video evidence of molestations in Cologne is not sufficient to rule it out, and the existing video evidence supports the official narrative quite well.

    As for Muslim immigrants molesting white women, I have the experience of my girlfriend 30 years ago in the UK to judge by. I don’t need any media to tell me what to think on the matter. Since the number of Muslim immigrants has increased drastically since then, I don’t doubt that the situation has got worse.

    • Agree: German_reader
  296. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    What is the explanation of how Marcia Adair walked through the area about the time that this allegedly happened, yet saw absolutely nothing of it? Rather odd, no? This Marcia Adair woman is definitely real. For example, here is her facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/marciaadair

    I hadn’t bothered to read this when you linked it before, because I just assumed it would be the usual goodthinking establishment journo type absolutely determined to see no evil in relation to immigrants in case it might encourage badthoughts, and political shifts she desperately doesn’t want to see, and sure enough that’s pretty much what it is.

    But having looked at it now, are you even aware that it directly contradicts your own position and actually supports what seems to be the general view opposed to your “nothing could possibly have happened”: that things happened and things were also exaggerated?

    She actually states it outright in the middle of the article:

    “That’s not to say that nothing happened. Something clearly did.”

    And she further even points out when most of it probably happened:

    “Police are still working out whether there was an organized attack or not. It seems unlikely, if only because it was unnecessary. For thieves, pickings don’t get much easier than loads of drunk people in a confined space.

    Where the night seems to have taken on another dimension is when people returned to the station to catch a train home. The main square in front of the station forms a natural kettle and when it is packed with people, as it was on New Year’s Eve, the only way out is on a train. And when the normally every-10-minute local trains stop running, as they did because people were walking on the tracks, the crowd can quickly become a festering mob.”

    Which is of course exactly consistent with the numerous quotes given above about robberies and sexual assaults by gangs of immigrants.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  297. @utu

    “First, I felt something on my buttocks, and I thought, What’s that?” she says. “I tried to push it away, and then I realized it was a hand. But it was so crowded, I couldn’t even tell who was touching me. A few minutes later, the same thing happened again, but this time, a hand touched me right on the genitals. It wasn’t accidental. It went under my skirt, and that was deliberate. Somebody really groped me.”

    Anyone ever ride a NYC subway? The MRA may have learned the arts of frottage, groping, etc., there. Then again, they could’ve learned the finer techniques of exposing themselves and mounting animals just about anywhere in Amerika. I recall one person who was convicted of unseemly acts with a mare protesting his sentence because he only did it to one!

    Ain’t Amerika great?

  298. Rurik says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I don’t suppose Rurik has realized it!

    duh

    the whole idiotic screed was a continuation of our conversation

    I’d ask him to consider whether it is possible for hundreds of women to get sexually assaulted in a wide open space and for there to be no visual evidence and he’d just ignore the question

    because I never said I considered it any kind of certainty that there were any rapes at all, fool. I simply stated that I considered it likely that there were some women who were possibly groped or disrespected, and left it at that. But you, being the obnoxious cunt that you obviously are, kept hounding and badgering me for your videos, that I never claimed existed in the first place, so why should you demand of me something that I never said existed or even that any rapes necessarily happened. It was utter nonsense. And you still don’t get it.

    The thing is that Rurik is now here claiming that I threatened to “dox” him for disagreeing with him!

    this from post 255

    Clearly, I never threatened to out you for disagreeing with me. You could disagree with me until the cows come home.

    it was because I disagreed with your theory, that you became impertinent and abusive, demanding that I provide some evidence of rapes that I had gone on the record and stated might not have even happened, yet the (sorry – idiotic) badgering for the videos kept up until I confess I broke, and called you a cunt.

    so even when I write it in plain English that it wasn’t for disagreeing with you, but because disagreeing with you caused you to become a cunt, which then caused me to return the attitude, which caused you to threaten to dox me. Duh.

    How many times must it be spelled out to you Revusky? Or is that cognitive dissonance I smell?

    anonymously and you won’t be anonymous any more!

    boy you really are a pathetic soul

    you solicited my personal info like no person alive. Relentless, relentless and more relentless. And then you introduced me to a colleague of yours who was even planning a trip to where you suspected I was living! Of course I got creeped out. Who wouldn’t. And then this!

    I’m sorry, but you are one vile scumbag sir.

    What on earth is unreasonable about my position?

    just about everything you could imagine

    but there again, you live in your own, private little narcissistic world, doncha? Just as someone correctly pointed out.

    It’s like you’re talking about an incident in Cologne and then he replies by ranting about something that happened in an entirely different country. Rotherham, which is in England

    I really don’t know if it’s because you’re that fucking stupid or just dishonest. I suspect the latter.

    Several people here have brought up Rotherham because anyone with the brains of a ten year old can see that the problems in Germany are the exact same problems in England, and for the exact same reasons.

    Is it possible that an otherwise intelligent person can be this fucking stupid?

    or is he dishonest (a liar)?

    That’s my question

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Anonymous
  299. Avery says:
    @Rurik

    {…you solicited my personal info like no person alive. Relentless, relentless and more relentless}

    Why would you give personal info to someone you don’t know who ‘relentlessly’ solicited same. Didn’t the ‘relentlessness’ raise any alarms in your mind?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  300. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    The lunatic will dox you sooner or later. Count on it. He’s incapable of absorbing reason.

  301. Rurik says: • Website
    @Avery

    Didn’t the ‘relentlessness’ raise any alarms in your mind?

    yes, but I didn’t really give any private info except for my email and my name, Bob (my original posting ‘name’, until another Bob used it and I changed it to Rurik)

    I figured I was safe enough, but then I found out that with the info I provided and a determination to use it to research more info, I might have reason to worry. And I never figured I was dealing with someone unethical enough to betray my trust. In fact I still feel that way, because not only would it be legally questionable to dox people, it would also cement a person’s fate in the known cyber world for being an irredeemable scumbag and threat.

    For all JR’s obvious pathologies, I don’t consider him that unhinged. He likes having his (relative) fame, and wouldn’t want to be eternally scourged as a notorious scumbag.

    and if he calls this his thread again, I’d like to remind him that he has overtly stated his screed was based in part on me.

    and I’ve had to take a moment to wonder at just how taken it’s current path

    I suppose I should have known something was amiss when I read the length and tenor of the article, knowing it was obviously based on my refusal to admit to JR that the dearth of videos meant anything of consequence. Clearly he is emotionally and psychologically fixated on this lack of video evidence validating something very important to him. As I sort of have just been thinking is the way he pretends in his mind that Cologne and Rotherham are absolutely unrelated, when any idiot can see that they’re very much related indeed.

    I’ve been trying to cypher what it all means. I never gave it that much thought before.

  302. @Rurik

    anyone who seriously believes in the no planes theory is simply

    a Cass Sunstein agent, working very hard to discredit “conspiracy theorists” or “9/11 Truthers.”

    I had no idea that was his position. just lost all credibility.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  303. @Linh Dinh

    Linh,

    From my understanding, there have been several convictions for sexual assault, and the Germans did change their rape laws after Cologne. From what I have read, some women claimed to have been raped, but there were no convictions for rape. Obviously there could have been rapes without convictions, especially if the rapist wasn’t found. In a crowd the size of the one in Cologne, with the chaos present, I can believe that many women were fondled and assaulted. That’s believable, especially in the climate of culture clash and hostility that exists in Europe. The mayor of Cologne was obviously trying to play down what happened, and there is a reason that the police chief of Cologne resigned and the rape laws were changed. All of that happened for a reason, and the crime stats all over Europe show that there is a problem with immigrants and rape, which the elites and media want to keep a lid on. The links from my first post in the thread show as much.

    There is a very real problem, and it doesn’t matter if there wasn’t an orgy of rape outside the Cologne railway station, or if the Murmansk story were a hoax. There are plenty of real stories to report. What happened, and what is happening all over Europe, is bad enough by itself. It’s kind of like black on white rape and violence in the U.S. The media and elites don’t want to touch it because they don’t care, and they are largely responsible for the situation.

    FWIW, when I was in college, a girl was dragged into a dark area after classes one night, physically assaulted and raped. According to the media reports and flyers on campus, it happened near an area, at a time, where many students (me included) would have walked right by the scene, but nobody heard or saw a thing. The police and school treated the incident like a rape, but nobody was ever caught. In an area the size of a major European rail station, with the type of crowd and chaos going on, I can see rapes happening without witnesses. Add the old German laws and official attitude, and nothing happened officially. Either way, the problem of rape among immigrants and culture clash still exists.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  304. @ChuckOrloski

    Hi Chuck, PCR is still here, it’s just that he has requested that comments be closed due to being bothered by the level of abuse he was receiving. I would hope those commenters who really dislike a certain contributor would just move on and read other articles, there seems to be a pretty broad selection to chose from.

    The sad part for me with this comment thread is that I really think JR has raised some thought provoking points in his various articles and I’m grateful to him for that and to Ron Unz for giving him this forum to use. I look forward to more (preferably shorter) articles from JR in the future. I don’t think it’s a good idea to expend too much time or vitriol with commenters in disagreement other than to establish facts or correct errors.

    I also really appreciate Rurik’s comments , along with many others from the many valuable commenters here and I have learned a lot since first visiting The Unz Review.

    Best wishes to you, Chuck.

  305. @Randal

    “The longer term aim of fomenting a civilizational war between Islam and Christianity is so they can secure US/European acquiescence in their most extreme dreams of annihilation of their regional enemies.”

    I’ve always thought that it went quite beyond that, that it would ultimately serve as the reason the common people living in the West would give up their liberties and accept a totalitarian police state over them for their own protection. I do hope I’m wrong.

  306. @Sparkon

    Brilliant comment, and not just for the humour! Cheers.

  307. @OilcanFloyd

    In an area the size of a major European rail station, with the type of crowd and chaos going on, I can see rapes happening without witnesses.

    Oh really? I have a hard time with it, frankly. Here are the images that come up when you do a google image search of the main train station in Cologne.

    https://www.google.es/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-i4TepKbVAhVlF8AKHZH3BJ4Q_AUICygC&biw=1536&bih=774

    Where do you think the raping took place that nobody saw it? Or here’s a map that’s available online:

    Where do you think all these sexual assaults happened with no witnesses? Tell us the spot.

    • Replies: @Randal
  308. @utu

    I believe that the events in Rotherham occurred as described.

    Why? What about the Revusky razor?

    Well, here is Revusky’s Razor again:

    If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    You see that part about that I bolded above?

    Is anybody alleging that the prostitution with underaged girls in Rotherham occurred in a wide open public space full of people? Like right there in the lobby of the train station or something?

    You earlier wrote things saying that “Revusky’s Razor” was idiotic and so forth. But did you make even the most minimal effort to understand the idea? It doesn’t seem like it.

    • Replies: @utu
  309. @Randal

    I hadn’t bothered to read this when you linked it before, because I just assumed…

    Yeah, this provides more insight into the HIQI mentality.

    it would be the usual goodthinking establishment journo type absolutely determined to see no evil in relation to immigrants in case it might encourage badthoughts, and political shifts she desperately doesn’t want to see, and sure enough that’s pretty much what it is.

    Right, so there was all these poor women around her getting sexually assaulted and she just managed not to see it because she’s just such an SJW.

    Well, that’s a possibility, but the other possibility is that she didn’t see anything going on because nothing was going on. I know that’s a farfetched explanation, but still, I don’t quite see how it can be dismissed out-of-hand.

    Actually, I realized that the late Muhammad Ali may have offered the best explanation of this. Here, he explains the so-called “phantom punch” in his second fight against Sonny Liston.

    I think this could be an explanation of why Marcia Adair did not see it. The MRA, man, those guys are pro rapists, I mean, there’s so damned fast, it’s like Ali’s “anchor punch”.

    Wham, bam, thnank you, ma’am. So if you’re actually there and you just blink at the wrong moment, you just completely miss it. The CCTV cameras have a fairly low FPS, I see that typically it’s something like between 7.5 and 15 frames per second, so there could be like a whole 100 ms in which to get in and get out. For a real MRA pro, that’s like an eternity. These guys have top training.

    • Replies: @Randal
  310. I find it amusing that so many people get their panties in a twist about alleged immigrant sexual crimes, yet no doubt give free passes to rich white rapists.

    How many who’re whining about the supposed events plastered all over the propaganda organs went ahead and voted for the rich white married buffoon who bragged in public with a smirk that he gets away with grabbing women’s pussies?

    What ever happened to the stories about the pedo rings and the Lolita express? Are immigrants responsible for the sex traffic rings? Why has our attention been diverted from those old and on going crimes and breaches of civility?

    Oh, I forgot, it’s OK because if you have tons of cash, they agree to the groping and fondling. Yeah, dat’s da ticket!

    …a tape emerged of the Republican candidate bragging about using his fame to try and “fuck” women and groping them without waiting for their consent.

    “When you’re a star they let you do it,” Trump says in the recording, which was obtained by the Washington Post and released on Friday. “You can do anything.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/07/donald-trump-leaked-recording-women

    • Replies: @helena
  311. @Jason Liu

    Mr. Liu’s comment is laughable. Nobody complains about Chinese or Polish rapidts, do they? The ugly truth – which he will not admit – is that Muslims view non-Muslim women as human garbage and fit subjects for rape. I am vastly amused by the ifea of a Chinese snorting at the idea of people “wanting to live” with their own kind.

  312. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Brilliant. You are a genius. You have thought of everything.

    Now only tell us how the Revusky’s razor can be applied to the elephant in San Francisco? Clearly San Francisco can be considered a wide open space but was it full of people? How many people per sq.ft we need to be within the range of applicability of the Revusky’s razor?

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  313. @Jason Liu

    Mr. Liu’s comment is laughable. Nobody complains about Chinese or Polish rapidts, do they? The ugly truth – which he will not admit – is that Muslims view non-Muslim women as human garbage and fit subjects for rape. I am vastly amused by the ifea of a Chinese snorting at the idea of people “wanting to live” with their own kind.

    • Replies: @Jason Liu
  314. Incitatus says:

    What’s all the fuss? The alleged behavior laboriously doubted by the author is clearly endorsed by the President of the United States. A perk of celebrity, best exercised after a Tic-Tac.

    “I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it…I did try and f— her. She was married…I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping…I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there…And she was married…Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look…Whoa! Whoa! I’ve got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything…Grab them by the p—y…You can do anything.”
    -Donald J. Trump 2005
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?postshare=3561475870579757&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.913dacc3764e

    QED the only possible sin in cases mentioned rises from the Muslim lack of celebrity and shortage of breath mints. Leave it to Revusky to make a mountain out of a molehill.

  315. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    HIQI

    HIQI = someone who doesn’t agree with Revusky.

    Of course, I didn’t bother reading the piece because I was quite willing to concede that you had found a journo who claimed to have seen nothing and whose opinion therefore backed up yours. Clearly I overestimated you in that, and I was rather surprised to find, when I actually bothered to read it, that it did just the opposite.

    As for the rest, it’s characteristic of your approach that you ignore the significant part of my comment which was actually damaging to your argument (the fact that even the journalist whose personal opinion you were relying on as evidence that nothing happened explicitly states that something happened), and instead launch into an irrelevant repetition of your own previously stated opinion.

    What she saw, or at any rate by her own account was aware of, was the formation of a “festering mob” outside the station, in which, given the kind of noisy disorder evident in the video that has been posted of events, it would clearly have been impossible to see the kinds of assaults described in the several victim and police accounts given above.

    But rather than addressing that point, you yet again seek to evade it by ridiculing the idea that she could have seen nothing, as though that adds anything to the discussion.

    It does rather appear as though you’ve given up even trying to seriously back up your original assertion.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  316. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Where do you think the raping took place that nobody saw it? Or here’s a map that’s available online:

    Plenty of people saw (or rather, perhaps, experienced, given the crowded circumstances) the sexual assaults. Your case seems to be that all the people who claimed to have done so were lying for some reason. The events are described in the numerous witness and victim statements and police reports quoted above in various comments. They seem to have occurred in the crowds that formed around the front of the station, as confirmed by your own journalist “witness”.

    Where do you think all these sexual assaults happened with no witnesses?

    Again, there were plenty of witnesses, as pointed out to you above, repeatedly.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  317. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Randal

    Marcia Adair is a Canadian journalist living and working in Cologne, Germany:

    I was at the main station, alone after midnight, as I often am, happy to have had a lovely night watching fireworks at the Rhine. Imagine my surprise, six days later, to discover I had been within 100 metres of a roving gang of rapists without noticing that anything was amiss.

  318. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh

    What does it say about this site and its audience when Ms. Adair’s article – being picked over here like a Dead Sea scroll – appears to have received exactly zero comments at the National Post website?

    I suggest that Mr. Revusky take up The Battle of Cologne directly with her, and then get back to the rest of us.

  319. @Linh Dinh

    Is there any independent proof Marcia Adair was there on New Year 15/16? Why exactly is she supposed to be more credible than the hundreds of witnesses testifying to the reality of the assaults?
    Has she actually written anything about at all about those events apart from this single article, published a few days after the events became big news? If she was sure nothing happened, why didn’t she set out to prove it? Would have been a major success for a journalist after all.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  320. Randal says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Marcia Adair is a Canadian journalist living and working in Cologne, Germany:

    I was at the main station, alone after midnight, as I often am, happy to have had a lovely night watching fireworks at the Rhine. Imagine my surprise, six days later, to discover I had been within 100 metres of a roving gang of rapists without noticing that anything was amiss.

    Marcia Adair goes on, in the same piece, to write:

    That’s not to say that nothing happened. Something clearly did.

    And she further even points out when most of it probably happened:

    Police are still working out whether there was an organized attack or not. It seems unlikely, if only because it was unnecessary. For thieves, pickings don’t get much easier than loads of drunk people in a confined space.

    Where the night seems to have taken on another dimension is when people returned to the station to catch a train home. The main square in front of the station forms a natural kettle and when it is packed with people, as it was on New Year’s Eve, the only way out is on a train. And when the normally every-10-minute local trains stop running, as they did because people were walking on the tracks, the crowd can quickly become a festering mob.

    So it appears Marcia Adair directly refutes the Revusky theory as set out above, that it is IMPOSSIBLE that anything out of the ordinary happened because there are no video pictures in the public domain.

    Did Revusky actually bother to read the whole piece, before deciding to adduce it in support of his already threadbare case? Or did he just glance at the first two paragraphs?

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  321. Randal says:

    Right, so there was all these poor women around her getting sexually assaulted and she just managed not to see it because she’s just such an SJW.

    One of the comedy highlights of the thread. Revusky, whose entire argument is based upon dismissing as lies the witness evidence of hundreds of victims and supporting witnesses, as reported by numerous journalists and police and other officials, balks at the very idea that one SJW journalist might try to downplay events that are potentially hugely damaging to her politically correct causes.

    As though it’s unheard of for such a thing to happen.

    I diagnose chronic wilful ignorance probably based upon a desperate desire to make reality conform to ideological comfort, a potentially terminal condition for the patient’s grasp of reality. The prognosis is poor, but I prescribe regular heavy doses of Steve Sailer’s blog, which has been known in some such cases to have a beneficial effect.

  322. Jason Liu says:
    @Chris Bridges

    No. My comment is in support of homogeneity. You interpreted it as criticism of homogeneity because you instinctively believe it’s a bad thing. Read again.

    If white society was being inundated by Chinese immigrants, and only Chinese immigrants, you would be fine with it then? Or would your people start finding criminal flaws in Chinese to justify rejecting us? In fact, this happens already.

    “Oh, they eat dogs, they cheat on tests, they’re unscrupulous businessmen, let’s deport the Chinese criminals!”

  323. Avery says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Mr. Dinh:

    Why didn’t you also include the other sentence that Adair wrote, and _only_ bolded the one that supports your contention as poster [Randal] pointed out?
    Why would you _deliberately_ ignore that sentence?
    Is it because it does not support your agenda?

    This is a more complete picture:

    [Linh Dinh]: {to discover I had been within 100 metres of a roving gang of rapists without noticing that anything was amiss.}

    AND

    {Marcia Adair goes on, in the same piece, to write:
    That’s not to say that nothing happened. Something clearly did.}

    And isn’t it elementary logic that if you _didn’t_ see something does not necessarily mean it did not happen? Can one see everything every minute of the day at all times?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
    , @L.K
  324. utu says:
    @Jason Liu

    It would be clearer and more ideologically effective to simply be honest: “I don’t want these people here because I want to live in a relatively homogeneous society. Whether or not the Outsider has negative/criminal traits is irrelevant.”

    I agree. It is interesting that people are afraid to talk in favor of homogeneity itself and always have to bring up other issue like too low IQ or too high IQ or tendency to be a rapist..

    Swedes for several generations were propagandized that homogeneity is bad itself for genetic reasons. I think, we know who was doing the propaganda.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @Anonymous
  325. @Randal

    Again, there were plenty of witnesses, as pointed out to you above, repeatedly.

    Can you name any of them?

    • Replies: @Randal
  326. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    That’s not the first time he was dishonest in this thread. Comment #103:

    Hi Ron,

    For a comparison to Cologne, consider the annual bull runs in Pamplona, where each year, many women are groped. If you google San Fermin agresion sexual, many lurid photos of women being groped (or flashing) will turn up, and if you go here, there’s a video of an assault from this year.

    Linh

    I couldn’t find the video of the “assault” on that page. I only found 8 images clearly showing girls getting groped voluntarily. Everyone is grinning ear to ear so it’s obviously part of the festival custom for girls to play out their exhibitionist fantasies. It was very dishonest to compare that with the Cologne situation. Rape victim videos are completely different from Girls Gone Wild footage. It’s basically illegal to post them or share.

    Here’s the link he provided: https://www.orgullodeser.com/mujer/videos-agresiones-sexuales-san-fermin-2017/

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  327. @German_reader

    Is there any independent proof Marcia Adair was there on New Year 15/16? Why exactly is she supposed to be more credible than the hundreds of witnesses testifying to the reality of the assaults?

    Well, she is more credible to me, since she wrote her article and signed her name to it.

    You say lots of people claim they saw this? Can you name any of them? Is there an equivalent article written by somebody who says that they walked through the area and saw something?

    And there is the fact that Ms. Adair’s statements are consistent with what all the visuals available show us. Some mayhem, I suppose, but ZERO sexual assaults.

    In any case, what do you make of this?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    If this kind of thing were really happening all over the place, why would there be a need to mount a hoax?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  328. @Avery

    {Marcia Adair goes on, in the same piece, to write:
    That’s not to say that nothing happened. Something clearly did.}

    Well, frankly, this is a perfect example of Orwell’s dictum that to see what is in front of one’s nose requires a constant struggle. She herself saw nothing, but she heard from so many sources that something did happen that she finally concedes… okay, something must have happened.

    BUT the central fact here is that she was there and did not herself see anything. For example, this victim says she was raped, the whole nine yards, but then later had to admit that she was not even in Cologne at the time.

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

  329. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    It is interesting that people are afraid to talk in favor of homogeneity itself and always have to bring up other issue like too low IQ or too high IQ or tendency to be a rapist.

    It’s not necessarily that one prefers homogeneity. Here in Victoria, British Columbia, I find it very pleasant to walk down Government St. at noon on a sunny day and see the pretty women from all over the world in their summer dresses.

    Thing is though, I’m not for the extinction of the European people, which is happening wherever they live by virtue of the fact that there fertility has been repressed while their numbers are continually made up by people from elsewhere—mostly good people, smart people, no doubt, but they’re not European.

    Now what Canadians do about immigration is not something I worry about. I am a citizen but only by immigrantion and I truly believe the basic political issues of a democratic nation must be settled by the native-born (which in Canada includes, of course, the first nations), not the newcomers.

    What I do care about very much, however, is that in my native land a treasonous elite are committing genocide against their own people by promoting mass replacement immigration.

    And it’s the replacement I object to not the immigrants to England who may very well be brighter than the English. Indeed, you’d expect that they’d be among the brighter half of the native population from which they come, and the more energetic and more ambitious half too.

    What that means is that the English won’t have a chance once these people become the majority as they already are in London, Birmingham, Leicester (my father’s home town), Luton, etc. Already foreign born mothers account for 28% of births in England. And Thereason May has now agreed to keep the borders open for another 5 years (then they’ll have another vote on the EU and the immigrant vote will reverse Brexit and the borders will remain open for ever).

    So, no, it’s not that the English are better than anyone else. I’ve always thought that among the common people of England are a good many dorks, although mostly they’re genuinely good-hearted people. But they’re surely good enough. I mean, they produced Shakespeare, Newton, Johnson, and Darwin, and while their neighbors the Scotch produced the most astonishing geniuses including Hume, Smith, and Clerk Maxwell. Why should these nations be destroyed? The genocide of the British people is, indeed a hideous crime for which its perpetrators will forever rot in Hell, although first one hopes they will be hanged from lampposts.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @NoseytheDuke
  330. Randal says:
    @utu

    It is interesting that people are afraid to talk in favor of homogeneity itself and always have to bring up other issue like too low IQ or too high IQ or tendency to be a rapist..

    I’ve never been afraid to talk in favour of homogeneity itself, but such talk is not exactly a stirring, politically motivating battlecry. The liars (whom you yourself refer to) have long held the cultural, social and political high ground and are not in the slightest threatened by talk of that kind – they mostly can deal with it very effectively just by ignoring it.

    Other issues – criminality, especially – are far more emotive and far harder to just ignore. Which is, of course, precisely why far greater efforts are undertaken to suppress and, ideally, criminalise them.

    Issues of the kind you mention (criminality, IQ etc) are sometimes true as raised, or at any rate plausibly argued for. Sometimes they are grossly exaggerated, or defended beyond any plausibility in the evidence for them. (Regardless, they are suppressed by the powers that be and the ideological promoters of mass immigration either way, of course).

    There is a legitimate question imo as to whether the false bits do more to promote the cause by their generally more inflammatory nature, or tend more to hinder it by being open to being discredited. It’s overly simplistic to just declare, as Jason Liu does, in effect, that “truth is better”.

    I’d say the evidence of the past few decades of human history at least is that the liars are winning. By observation, the optimal strategy would seem to be to have a division of labour between those who act as careful truth tellers to maintain credibility, and those who tell the most outrageous lies to stir up the masses, and simply to ensure the former never attack the latter.

    • Replies: @Linh Dinh
  331. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    It is interesting that people are afraid to talk in favor of homogeneity itself and always have to bring up other issue like too low IQ or too high IQ or tendency to be a rapist..

    I don’t think we’re afraid. It’s just a stronger argument. People care if their new neighbour is a low IQ rapist believe it or not.

    I wouldn’t mind having 2-3% high IQ East Asians in my European country (if the unemployment numbers ever hit 2%). It’s the hostile, 81 IQ, Muslim breeder hordes that will have to go back to the last man. They don’t want to integrate, they can’t integrate and their numerous children will be even worse. It’s a soft invasion and most of them know it on some level.

  332. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Hi all,

    This “anonymous” who is accusing me of lying is a bald-faced liar, except he has no face. There are two videos at the bottom of the page showing sexual assaults. The article itself is called “Vídeos: primeras agresiones sexuales en San Fermín 2017″ [Videos: First Sexual Assaults in San Fermin 2017"].

    The article begins:

    No hay forma de solucionarlo: primer día de fiestas en Pamplona y ya tenemos varios vídeos con agresiones sexuales en San Fermín. Te traemos un par de vídeos que se están haciendo virales durante las últimas horas: primeras agresiones sexuales en San Fermín 2017.

    [There is no way to solve it: first day of the festivity in Pamplona and we already have several videos of sexual assaults in San Fermín. We bring you a couple of videos that have become viral during the last hours: first sexual assaults in San Fermín 2017.]

    This is a problem with allowing anonymous posters to say anything. Any idiot or hasbara agent can show up, spread disinformation then disappear.

    Linh

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  333. @Jonathan Revusky

    You say lots of people claim they saw this? Can you name any of them?

    There were hundreds of reports to police which obviously must have included hundreds of witness statements (plus the statements by police forces which were there). And no, of course I don’t know the full name of any of the witnesses, since such information is confidential. But you know, if you really were interested in serious research and wanted to refute the official story, you’d try to track down some of those witnesses (maybe contact journalists who have covered the events), see what they say and if they’re credible. But as it is, you haven’t even read any of the official documents relating to the incident,
    e.g. there was an Untersuchungsausschuss about this in the state legislature of North-Rhine-Westphalia. You can read its final report (more than 1000 pages) here:

    https://www.landtag.nrw.de/Dokumentenservice/portal/WWW/dokumentenarchiv/Dokument/MMD16-14450.pdf

    Now maybe you’ll find inconsistencies in that and can indeed prove it was some grand conspiracy. But your entire style of reasoning in this thread (“It’s IMPOSSIBLE because I say so!”) is just silly.
    As for the events in Frankfurt (which were quickly shown to be fraudulent), they’re totally irrelevant to what happened in Cologne (same with the woman who made up a fake rape allegation). Are there attention-seeking people who make fraudulent claims, or people who launch unfounded rumours for some personal or political agenda? Of course there are. But that’s not a refutation of other similar incidents for which there is a large amount of evidence, nor does it show there is some grand hoax-generating conspiracy.

  334. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Randal

    the optimal strategy would seem to be to have a division of labour between those who act as careful truth tellers to maintain credibility, and those who tell the most outrageous lies to stir up the masses, and simply to ensure the former never attack the latter.

    Randal and others are admitting that it’s OK to lie outrageously to serve their aim of having a whiter country.

    Unless I’m mistaken, I think Unz Review has been set up to uncover obscured truths, and not to spread misperceptions and lies to serve any agenda.

    • Replies: @Randal
  335. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Well, maybe it’s due to my browser filters but I can’t see the videos – so I wasn’t lying.

    The point is that the images from the page clearly show what kind of behaviour is expected there. It’s basically Girls Gone Wild summer break behaviour which can, occasionally, go too far. You can’t, possibly, compare it to the Cologne attacks. That’s just dishonest.

  336. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You could start with Dilara Zajarskaite:

    Dozens of victims have bravely come forward to tell of their horror, including 17-year-old studnet Dilara Zajarskaite, who waived her anonymity to tell MailOnline she was attacked on five separate occasions

    Revealed: 1,200 women were sexually assaulted by 2,000 men in German cities on New Year’s Eve

    Most names of victims of sexual assaults tend to be protected, of course, but you could speak to all the reputable journalists who have interviewed them and told their stories and ask them if they made up the people whose names they protected by giving just as first names, either as interviewed witnesses/victims or as Court plaintiffs.

    Of course, you’d have to be interested in actually finding out the truth rather than just finding selected evidence to back up your argument that nothing happened.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  337. @utu

    Brilliant. You are a genius. You have thought of everything.

    Well, not of everything, but I have thought at times, yes. You should try it. It can be very illuminating.

    Now only tell us how the Revusky’s razor can be applied to the elephant in San Francisco?

    Well, I posed the question so that Ron Unz or you or anybody else can think about it, no? Have you thought about it? In the scenario I posited, would you believe that the incident of the elephant walking around downtown San Francisco had really happened?

    Yes or no?

    Explain your reasoning.

    Clearly San Francisco can be considered a wide open space but was it full of people?

    Well, no, there was hardly anybody there. Obviously, I was referring to San Francisco after a nuclear apocalypse and there are only a handful of mutants wandering around.

    How many people per sq.ft we need to be within the range of applicability of the Revusky’s razor?

    Gee, I don’t know exactly. Why don’t you use this as an opportunity to think about something? I think you should try this thinking thing soon. I hear they may be about to make it illegal.

    • Replies: @utu
  338. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Linh Dinh

    This “anonymous” who is accusing me of lying is a bald-faced liar

    My God, that’s a vicious ad hominem. What gives this Linh Dinh character the right to call me, an anonymous poster, a liar? This is shocking! I demand an apology!

    If you fail to apologize, you should face banishment from the enchanted land of Unzistan.

    This is a problem with allowing anonymous posters to say anything. Any idiot or hasbara agent can show up, spread disinformation then disappear.

    In Unzistan, we uphold basic human rights and freedoms and there is no more basic human right or freedom in Unzistan than the right to say whatever you want to anybody anonymously with no accountability whatsoever.

    The blood of our forefathers was shed to defend this sacred principle!

    Now we all rise for the Unzistani national anthem….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  339. Randal says:
    @Linh Dinh

    Randal and others are admitting that it’s OK to lie outrageously to serve their aim of having a whiter country.

    I didn’t actually write that, I merely queried what the optimal strategy would be, in response to an unsupported assertion that “truth is most effective”.

    If you are asking what my view is on that question, the answer is I’m not sure, though as noted it does appear that so far the liars have been winning hands down.

    If you are asking me now whether I think it’s “ok to lie” for a political cause, then I suppose my response would be that I wouldn’t do it myself. Both because I regard it as morally questionable and because of the limited benefit and the likelihood of getting caught out. But I wouldn’t usually go out of my way to expose lies that serve what I see as good causes, until all the lies serving bad causes have been rooted out first. That’s just a matter of tactics, timing and economy of effort.

    Those who claim to be principled seekers of truth equally committed to exposing lies serving purposes of which they approve as lies they see as serving harmful causes are mostly (though not all, perhaps) liars, imo. But then I’ve been around a few decades and I’m pretty cynical.

    Unless I’m mistaken, I think Unz Review has been set up to uncover obscured truths, and not to spread misperceptions and lies to serve any agenda.

    Doubtless.

    I look forward to Revusky’s blistering expose of the lies told to cover up for mass immigration. Oh, I forgot – he’s on the side of the angels, none of whom would ever stoop to dishonesty, eh, not like those nasty “racist” and nationalist deplorables?

    • Agree: utu
  340. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Hey, why are you stealing my anonymous identity? I’ve worked hard to built this reputation.

  341. L.K says:
    @Avery

    Avery is not European nor of European descent.

    This sad little liar is an Armenian who lives in the Zio USA.

    What is the motivation behind this person’s posts here?

    One could think that any human being, independent of ethnicity or race, could be appalled by the alleged mass sexual assaults in Germany…

    But, this is NOT the case. Not long ago, this avery pest casually dismissed the absolutely well documented mass rapes of German women by his Red Army heroes.
    I’m talking about mass hard core rapes – and murder – of huge numbers of German females ranging from girls to old women.
    Various Soviet sources confirm the fact, besides the testimonies from victims, etc.

    In the case of Cologne though, the alleged rapists happen to be Muslims whom Avery very much dislikes…

    In the Red Army case, there is no doubt as to what happened but for demented little avery, there is no emotional satisfaction, to the contrary, the facts make his red army heroes look bad…

    In Cologne, on the other hand…

    • Disagree: German_reader
  342. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Revusky, it seems you need a good cleansing trip. You can’t snap out form the cul-de-sac you drove yourself into. You need some distance from yourself and from your own thoughts with which you identify way too much as if they are you. Believe me, they are not you. I hope there is Revusky with some sense of humor somewhere out there. Are you still in Spain? You can get good mushrooms or LSD there, right?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  343. @L.K

    Oh shut up, whatever the Red army did in 1944/45, is now more than 70 years in the past, most of those involved are dead, there’s no point in endlessly bringing up those issues again. And your entire act of “I’m defending Germany against unfair slander” (and calling me a Nestbeschmutzer, lol) is totally ridiculous, given your support for JR’s conspiracy theory which amounts in effect to claiming that hundreds of German women in 2016 (not in 1945 or whatever year it is you’re mentally stuck in) were deliberately lying and invented accusations of assault against innocent Muslim immigrants.
    Btw, something I’ve wanted to ask you: Do you actually consider yourself to be a National Socialist, and do you think Nazism should be tried again?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Jonathan Revusky
    , @L.K
  344. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @L.K

    That’s a classic white flag. You can’t refute his arguments but you can dredge up ad hominems, irrelevant personal details and irrelevant former discussions. What a champ. Life must be like a box of chocolates for you.

  345. Avery says:
    @L.K

    {…. this avery pest ……}

    This neo-Nazi Schweinhund.

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

  346. utu says:
    @German_reader

    Oh shut up, whatever the Red army did in 1944/45, is now more than 70 years in the past

    What an argument on your part? I wonder if you dare to use it when you will have to listen to some Holocaust stories for the n-th time:

    Oh shut up, whatever SS and Wehrmacht did in 1939/45, is now more than 70 years in the past

    I doubt it. You wouldn’t because you are a cuck. I know that being a German is not very easy after 1945, however I want to think that if it was me I could find a more dignified options of dealing with the past. I hope your cuckhood is not representative of all Germans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @German_reader
  347. utu says:
    @CanSpeccy

    It’s not necessarily that one prefers homogeneity.

    Yes there is something to it. But if you let nice looking Chinese girls in at which point you say it is too much. When your England cease to be England? Genocide by sexy Chinese girls?

    BTW, I do not think that the term genocide as you use it is appropriate.

    Anyway, you did not make a good case for homogeneity. But I am sure the case can be made. And forget Canada or the US. They started on different trajectories and they are beyond repair. But UK and Germany and Poland do not have to follow these trajectories. One would thin, right? Nonetheless even Swedes who had no colonies, who did not commit crimes against Jews were guilted and convinced into following the trajectory that will destroy their homogeneity.

    Perhaps you could write something about benefits of homogeneity. Should the argument be along the lines that culture and ethnic groups must be preserved for their own sake just like white rhinos or Bengal tigers.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  348. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    He’s right. What happened in Germany 70 years ago is completely off topic and unrelated to any discussion in the comments.

    • Replies: @utu
  349. @utu

    I’m not a cuck, I just care about the issues that are relevant today. If this thread has proven anything, it’s that “revisionists” like L.K. are utterly useless for dealing with those issues. They’re gullible and dumb enough to actually become apologists for a clear case of immigrant misbehaviour, and to actually agree with the pro-mass immigration left on this. That’s beyond pathetic.

    • Agree: Randal
    • Replies: @utu
  350. utu says:
    @German_reader

    What L.L thinks and says I really do not care. However I do not think that he is an apologist as you state. He is on the side of Revusky who claims that the event in Cologne probably did not happen. I am not with Revusky 100% but I can see a possibility that the scale of the event was much smaller than as subsequently reported. Also, it has not been proven that Revusky is an apologist just like it has not been proven that some revisionist historian who minimize the scale of Holocaust are apologists of Hitler and Nazism. They might but it does not matter to the integrity of their arguments. Randal above in fairly nuanced argument wrote that sometimes one must condone lies if exposing them would lower your chances of success mostly because the other side lies all the time. I asked Revusky similar question in comment #5 because he just like Lingh Dingh and L.K. later got on the high horse of absolute honesty and blah, blah.

    I just care about the issues that are relevant today.

    Why then you tried to slander Revusky with accusation of Holocaust denial? So you care about Holocaust more than some other things that happened in the past. And you certainly would never dare to say to a Jew to shut up and stop talking about what SS and Wehrmacht did because it was 70 years ago.

    As far as the cuck label I would like to oblige and find something else, but I can’t and you keep making very cucky comments. Let me think, what about opportunist German coward?

  351. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    But if you let nice looking Chinese girls in at which point you say it is too much.

    Well it would be a tough decision, but no lovely Chinese girls should be allowed to migrate to England, although there are a lot of ugly brutes I’d exclude first before turning my attention to the Chinese.

    And anyhow, the English, though a pretty mixed and lumpy lot, still produce the occasional rose. And in order that Shakespeare’s wish:

    …that fairest creatures do increase
    that thereby nature’s beauty may not die.

    continues to come true, England must once again be only for the English.

    My point was that you don’t have to hate other people to wish to maintain the continued existence of your own gene pool. You just have to hate the traitors among your own elite who are destroying your gene pool to gratify the globalists corporations that want to offshore your manufacturing base, while bringing in a bunch of cheap labor to do what jobs can’t be offshored.

    And indeed the more you love diversity, the more important it is to maintain your own and the other national gene pools separate. Everyone but the PC-stupified Europeans knows this. Just as the South Africans are purging the whites, the Muslims are slaughtering heretics, so the English should be spending billions to repatriate the enormous settler population that the depraved, indeed criminal elite has allowed into the country.

    In addition you have to reverse the catastrophic consequences of existing dysgenic welfare programs that promote reproduction of the least fit while using very large tax incentives and all other means to induce intelligent couples to have more children rather than pursuing more income and professional status.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  352. @CanSpeccy

    Och mon, spoken like a true sassenach. I think you meant the Scots. Scotch is a drink and a bloody great one too. I totally agree with you about the destruction of formally good British cities though. Many are totally unrecognisable today from what they were just a generation ago. That it is by design and the British people have largely gone along with it is tragic.

  353. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    He’s [German_reader] right. What happened in Germany 70 years ago is completely off topic and unrelated to any discussion in the comments.

    I would like to agree but Holocaust was already brought into the discussion early in the comment #53 by anonymous (perhaps it was you) and by German_reader in comment #55.

  354. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    I think you meant the Scots.

    No bloody way, mate. I’m an Englishman and I speak the English language. If I were in Scotland I might defer to Scotch usage. However, since the Scotch, meaning of the people of Scotland, was good enough for Robbie Burns, why not for me?

    Of course, like any Sassenach, I’m partly Scotch. My father’s mother was a pure-blooded Highlander, although the Scots, I mean Scotch, understanding little of genetics don’t count female descent, which raises the interesting question of how Scotch Jews rate descent via the male versus the female line.

    But yes, much of England as a home of the English has been destroyed by mass immigration (Londonistan, under the Leadership of a Muslim mayor has threatened cecession from England), but the Scots must not be complacent. The immigrant population of Edinburgh and Glasgow is rising fast and if the Nats have their way, Scotland will be embedded in the EU with an open border for ever more.

  355. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    Oops. That last paragraph is a regrettable muddle. The tax incentives etc. were supposed to be in addition to the reversal of the the dysgenic welfare programs, not themselves something to be reversed.

  356. @utu

    I hope there is Revusky with some sense of humor somewhere out there.

    Ah, my lack of a sense of humor. The people who read my articles all note how utterly dry and humorless they are. I’m aware of this problem and I am working on it. Meanwhile, why don’t you work on this?

    In the scenario I posited, would you believe that the incident of the elephant walking around downtown San Francisco had really happened?

    Is this question above your pay grade? Or is it that you refuse to engage in this conceptual experiment because to do so honestly is rather devastating….

    Anyway, you seem to be evading the question. I see no legitimate reason for you not to answer.

    • Replies: @utu
  357. @German_reader

    given your support for JR’s conspiracy theory which amounts in effect to claiming that hundreds of German women in 2016 (not in 1945 or whatever year it is you’re mentally stuck in) were deliberately lying and invented accusations of assault against innocent Muslim immigrants.

    Well, the problem is that you just have to go where the facts lead you. Since it is clearly impossible, to all intents and purposes, for hundreds of sexual assaults to occur in the Cologne train station and for there to be absolutely no visual evidence, I conclude that it did not happen. This further leads me to conclude that the women saying that they were assaulted and/or anybody who say they saw it (and you can’t name any of them apparently, but they exist, you say, everybody says it…) simply must not be telling the truth.

    If several hundred people say they saw Angela Merkel walking on the water, I would conclude that these people were not telling the truth. As for the lying part, well, maybe some of them somehow convinced themselves they saw it, so, strictly speaking, they are not lying. But, since it is impossible, it did not happen. And, since it is impossible for hundreds of sexual assaults to happen in the Cologne rail station without there being a single photo or video consistent with that narrative, that means it didn’t happen.

    This is simply where logic leads one. It is not that I get any emotional satisfaction out of believing that these various people are lying. You, on the other hand, seem to get massive emotional satisfaction out of believing that these Muslims are all a bunch of rapists, to the extent that you get infuriated when anybody questions this narrative.

    Anyway, you say that my views are a “conspiracy theory”. Various people have said that there is no visual evidence because the authorities have it but are suppressing it, or destroyed it already… I guess because they really love the idea of Muslim migrants raping German girls.

    Why on earth is THAT not a conspiracy theory? Whatever you want to believe and whatever tortuous theories you come up with to support your belief system, when there’s no evidence for it, that’s somehow NOT a conspiracy theory.

    My idea that the reason there is no visual evidence is because the event did not happen, THAT is a conspiracy theory! The little boy in the Emperor’s New Clothes story who sees a naked man and says he’s not wearing any clothes, that’s a conspiracy theorist for you!

  358. @Randal

    Most names of victims of sexual assaults tend to be protected, of course, but you could speak to all the reputable journalists

    Reputable journalists? Sheesh, sounds like “virtuous whores”…

    Of course, it’s up to me to find these virtuous whores… I mean reputable journalists. I mean, you’re not going to give me any contact info or do any research or anything. The entire onus on me is to prove something.

    It doesn’t occur to you that if you say this crime (or this set of crimes) took place, the onus is on you to prove it. That’s how it always works.

    Of course, you’d have to be interested in actually finding out the truth rather than just finding selected evidence to back up your argument that nothing happened.

    It’s fascinating how the onus is always on me to prove something. So, basically, here we have a situation where there is this fantastical narrative. It really is fantastical. You have hundreds, maybe thousands of Muslim rapists, the Muslim Rape Army there in the Cologne railway station. They just love raping women so much that they go to the equivalent of Grand Central Station to go do their raping, where everybody can see them and there are all these CCTV cameras and everything.

    You have this fantastical narrative, ZERO visual evidence when there should be and then you say: well, all these people (whom I can’t name) say this happened.

    So it’s all just story-telling really. That’s really all it is.

    It’s as if I told you that I had sex with Julia Roberts and you don’t believe it and I now demand that you prove that I didn’t.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Randal
  359. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    I heard Indian troops took pictures , videos of their crimes and keep for private collection.
    Otherwise, The only videos available on the net merely recorded the aftermath, the protest.

    No matter, there are practically millions of victims who’d testify …..if only they are allowed to. !

    Very graphic details,
    WARNING

    NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED !

    https://www.quora.com/Will-Nagaland-and-Manipur-get-freedom-from-India

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  360. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I watched an interview with Krzysztof Kieslowski in which he told of a memory he had that once in some town in Poland when he was a kid he saw an elephant on a street but everybody, including his mother who was him at that time, claimed it was impossible. But through all of his life he believed he saw an elephant on that day.

    But seriously, you must snap out of it.

  361. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You are creating straw men all the time. It is chiefly about sexual assaults and not about actual rapes, though Assange was accused of rape in Sweden because he did not use a condom, so what is rape nowadays I am not sure anymore. So perhaps there were rapes too. I haven’t heard of any.

    You create concepts and phrases and acronyms and you fall in love with them. You create a dragon that later you slay with tools you invented for the sake of dragon killing. And then you want us here to appreciate how clever you are that you have killed a dragon. But we did not see any dragons. Your dragon is like that elephant that Krzysztof Kieslowski saw when he was s a child. His elephant might be more real than your dragon. But we believe there were packs of rats and few wolves that did molesting, sexually assaulting and robbing and stealing.

    I know you do not trust newspapers and media but here is an article from July 2016

    Revealed: 1,200 women were sexually assaulted by 2,000 men in German cities on New Year’s Eve

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3684302/1-200-German-women-sexually-assaulted-New-Year-s-Eve-Cologne-elsewhere.html

    Few people were convicted; few victims spoke to media. Most victims opted for anonymity but allegedly they were in courts during trials. Is it not true? All made up fake news because there are no visuals publicly available? Come on, Revusky. I know you have invested your ego too much to back off now but please give us a break.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  362. denk says:

    Is there a muslim ‘rape army’ ?

    Some body is using manufactured refugees as
    WEAPON OF MASS MIGRATION
    Thats beyond doubt.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/10/26/strategic-engineered-migration-as-weapon-of-war.html

  363. helena says:
    @jacques sheete

    Imagine the crowd in Cologne was sprinkled with about 8 gangs each made up of 10 Trump clones. Now do you see the problem?

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  364. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Reputable journalists? Sheesh, sounds like “virtuous whores”…

    Indeed. Like the one (Marcia Adair) on whose report you selectively rely to support your rather remarkable speculation.

    Of course, it’s up to me to find these virtuous whores… I mean reputable journalists. I mean, you’re not going to give me any contact info or do any research or anything. The entire onus on me is to prove something.

    Obviously. You’re the one who’s just written and published a lengthy essay arguing for a very remarkable and speculative reinterpretation of events, that if accepted would require us to accept a bizarrely counter-intuitive reinterpretation of the world into one in which the notoriously pro-immigration and politically correct German government, North Rhine-Westphalia and Cologne local government, Cologne police administration and German and European mainstream establishment media all for some bizarre reason collaborated to advance a massive, complex lie that benefited “racists” and nationalists and was perhaps the biggest political disaster for their pro-immigration agenda for years.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, not just “I think there should be video evidence” and “I found this SJW journo who said she didn’t see anything bad happen [but don't read her piece beyond the first two paragraphs]“.

    If you want to make such an extraordinary claim and not get laughed at, then yes, the onus is on you to do the research. Speak to some of the BBC, Guardian, Spiegel etc reporters who reported that they’d spoken to victims and who quoted them. Ask them if they made up these supposed victims or if they were duped by clever “racists” making stuff up – put them on the spot. And while you are at it, find out how these rampantly leftist bastions of political correctness came to be successfully penetrated by such agents of the deplorable “racist” right. Now there would be a real story for you. Good luck with that one.

    It’s fascinating how the onus is always on me to prove something. So, basically, here we have a situation where there is this fantastical narrative. It really is fantastical. You have hundreds, maybe thousands of Muslim rapists, the Muslim Rape Army there in the Cologne railway station. They just love raping women so much that they go to the equivalent of Grand Central Station to go do their raping, where everybody can see them and there are all these CCTV cameras and everything.

    Yes, you keep repeating this “muslim rape army” straw man of yours, but in fact all but the most extreme accounts refer mostly to robberies, harassment and sexual assaults, plus perhaps rapes in the form of “technical” rapes (finger penetration). And there’s nothing fantastical or even particularly remarkable in the idea of a big crowd of rowdy mostly muslim immigrant youths going feral in that way (as witnessed by the numerous similar events on a smaller scale caused by mass immigration across Europe), except for the rather shocking scale of the event.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  365. Sam Shama says:
    @The Scalpel

    Crikey, I’ve missed reading UR regularly for the past few weeks and look what I missed; another insult-fest, courtesy of Jonathan Revusky!

    Scalpel, I must claim first place in diagnosing Revusky to be mental. I did so last year I think. And you are far too kind. The diagnosis of Narcissism is certainly appropriate, but it is also liberally accompanied by shades of Delusional psychopathy.

    [I think you have an interesting, readable style of writing.]

    Once again, you are too kind. He does not have an interesting writing style: every piece is suited to bore a snail to its death.

    • Troll: L.K
  366. @helena

    Okay your DT nightmare will only last another seven and a half years, so take your pills and calm down til your next therapy session.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro Jazz musiciana.

  367. @L.K

    Utu to J.R : “Why? Why honesty is necessary for achieving goals?”

    Right. IOW, lying & bullshitting is ok, if it furthers one’s goals… okay.

    Reading the above tells me all I need to know about you.

    Well, yeah, it’s pretty much impossible to avoid drawing some pretty negative conclusions about this person. He was talking in this vein under my last article and it really kinda freaked me out, but I sort of decided to let it slide and to still consider him a legitimate sort of person to be talking to. I’m sometimes very slow to realize the truth about people.

    But what is the agenda of this utu entity anyway? Now, twice, he has advocated vicious smear tactics as a political tool. I mean, obviously, when somebody is asking you what the point of basic morality is, an adult anyway, you know it’s probably a waste of time to even try to formulate an answer. If somebody is a moral degenerate, then, there’s no known cure, is there?

    It finally dawned on me today that utu understands as well as either of us that the Cologne thing is basically a hoax. You can’t have an event where hundreds of women are sexually assaulted in that space and have it produce ZERO visuals! That was a year and a half ago. Something would have come out. We’d have something to look at. It’s just too obviously a hoax at this point.

    So utu knows it’s a hoax but wants to keep insisting it’s not. And then he all but says that, even if it isn’t true, it’s politically useful to keep pretending it’s true. So, yeah, let’s just accuse all these young men of being rapists when they’re not, that’s okay…. they’re just a bunch of dirty Ay-rabs anyway.

    So now I finally do not give him any more benefit of the doubt. I see the utter mendacity and thuggish nature of this person. Well, not just him, some of the other people here. Though it is a bit unfair to call them thugs, because genuine thuggery, though hardly a good thing, does require a certain element of physical courage. In this disembodied contact, one doesn’t know who one is dealing with, but I visualize these people as a bunch of sniveling cowards, brave when they can be anonymous behind a keyboard.

    I really don’t know what do about all this now. When my last article came out, I asked Unz for moderation powers because I anticipated how much of an attack the article was going to come under and didn’t want to deal with it. Unz refused in a rather snotty tone really. So somebody like Karlin can ban me from his blog but any anonymous whack job can just show up and deface my article.

    If I did have moderation capability, I’d just dump utu and Rurik and a bunch of these other gits into a killfile and that’s that. I don’t have to deal with their BS anymore. I certainly can’t continue in this vein, even if Ron wants to accept any more articles. I’d have to have moderation power.

    But the whole thing, demanding that I apologize to an anonymous crank. That’s like demanding that a human being apologize to an animal. And not even a noble animal like a thoroughbred race horse or Simba the lion king, but something more like a rat or a cockroach. Obviously out of the question…

  368. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Sam Shama

    He does not have an interesting writing style: every piece is suited to bore a snail to its death.

    Poor Johnathan. But that is wonderful analogy.

    And unless Revusky’s aim is to generate the longest possible comment thread by insulting his critics, I suggest he would do well to be ready more often to roll with the punch and, with good grace, give a little ground here and there, while seeking common ground with those of differing views.

    Of course one should not abandon solid evidence of objective reality, but there seems little of that in the present discussion.

    • Agree: utu
    • Troll: Jonathan Revusky
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  369. @Sam Shama

    Scalpel, I must claim first place in diagnosing Revusky to be mental.

    Sammy Boy, you have a history of showing up under my articles and writing all kinds of off-topic crap and then eventually having to admit that you didn’t even read the article.

    You’re not the only one. There was this other guy, one Mr. Anon, who wrote 62(!) comments under my last article, and openly admitted he had never read the article.

    My position is that, given your history, if you want to stay here, you need to write a precis of the article to demonstrate that you actually read it and understood it. In fact, there was one guy (I guess reading aint his thnig) who wanted a precis of the article, and maybe some other people wanted it. If it’s a really good precis, maybe I could ask Ron Unz to insert it up top.

    But if you won’t write a precis of the article, then do just bugger off, okay? I know you haven’t read the article, so…

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  370. @Randal

    The entire onus on me is to prove something.

    Obviously.

    Well, okay, at least you admit that this is your position. Only the other person needs to prove anything. You never need to prove anything.

    You’re the one who’s just written and published a lengthy essay arguing for a very remarkable and speculative reinterpretation of events,

    What is that remarkable and speculative reinterpretation? That the media is constantly lying about all sorts of things? And this is one more thing they are lying about? That’s something remarkable at this juncture of history?

    I’m the one making remarkable claims? So you believe that hundreds of women can be sexually assaulted in the middle of Cologne train station or just outside and there is absolutely ZERO visual evidence. That is not a remarkable claim, eh?

    Speak to some of the BBC, Guardian, Spiegel etc reporters who reported that they’d spoken to victims and who quoted them.

    Hold on, aren’t all these same publications the ones who said that Putin invaded Ukraine? That Putin shot down that airliner?

    Aren’t these the same people who are perfectly willing to tell you that Bruce Jenner is a woman?

    Yet now, the fact that some of these people (you can’t name them, the virtuous whores…) say that they interviewed some other people (whom you also cannot name) who told them in turn some story, this is incontrovertible proof of whatever story.

    Your position, which is, of course, the classic HIQI position, is that the official story put out there is true because it’s the official story. This is a variant on the religious person who says that the truth of the Bible story is that it is, in fact, in the Bible. This is the intellectual level on which you operate.

    I obviously can’t continue much with this. A debate is still a situation where both sides have to bring something into the debate. I mean, you’re not even attempting to bring anything to the table. Note also that you’re not providing a single link for me to look at. It’s just the official story is true because it’s the official story.

    Okay, you’ve obviously conceded the debate, but I did find some other stuff too, which I’ll write about separately.

    • LOL: German_reader
    • Replies: @Randal
  371. @Astuteobservor II

    I had no idea that was his position. just lost all credibility.

    I’m completely certain that you know nothing about the topic and are just bullshitting.

    But just to give you a chance to demonstrate something, why specifically is it crazy to suspect that no Boeing airliners hit any buildings on 9/11? Explain your reasoning.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  372. L.K says:
    @German_reader

    Listen, I say you are a miserable Nestbeschmutzer, bc that is exactly what you are.
    I just tell it like it is.

    You are also a complete intellectual fraud, & this has been well established.

    For example, your little hypocritical tirade “whatever the Red army did in 1944/45, is now more than 70 years in the past”…

    This further demonstrates what an intellectual fraud & coward you are.
    Utu already took you to the woodshed over this one but there is more to be said on the matter;

    You cannot possibly be so stupid as to pretend that all that happened to Germany – i.e. the past – the destruction of it as a sovereign nation in 1945, split into 2 rump puppet states, then reunited under ZUS hegemony, its people brainwashed by “re-education” programs, has nothing or little to do with what the country is going through right now.

    You must understand all this, but you are too much of a pussy to talk about the bigger issues.

    For ex, back in the days of West Germany, how did the Gastarbeiterprogramm, which was basically for Europeans, get extended to accept so many from Turkey?
    Bc the ZUSA put political pressure on its German puppet for its own reasons, to accept large numbers of Turks.
    Diplomatische Tauschgeschäfte: Gastarbeiter in der westdeutschen Diplomatie und Beschäftigungspolitik 1953-1973

    https://www.amazon.de/Diplomatische-Tauschgesch%C3%A4fte-Gastarbeiter-westdeutschen-Besch%C3%A4ftigungspolitik/dp/3412200743/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501175028&sr=8-1&keywords=Diplomatische+Tauschgesch%C3%A4fte.+%22Gastarbeiter%22+in+der+westdeutschen+Diplomatie+und+Besch%C3%A4ftigungspolitik+1953-1973

    So the issue of national sovereignty is a CRUCIAL one, for it determines foreign and domestic policies, yes, dear Nestbeschmutzer, immigration policies included.
    As another poster once stated;
    Germany is not a sovereign country. It is still under American direction. A secret agreement guarantees American control.
    Die deutsche Karte: Das verdeckte Spiel der geheimen Dienste. Ein Amtschef des MAD berichtet von Gerd H Komossa.
    RT piece on the book

    A vid re another book(Die Souveränitätslüge) which covers the same terrain, by Heiko Schrang, with statements from various German politicians, etc:

    • Replies: @Randal
  373. @denk

    I heard Indian troops took pictures , videos of their crimes and keep for private collection.

    Holy shit! The Indian army was in Cologne railway station raping women too?!

    That’s the first I heard of that! Or hey… maybe they were raping the Arab rapists. So first the Arab rapist would rape a German girl and then an Indian soldier would jump on top of the Ay-rab and rape him.

    And nobody got that on camera! Damn! I sure would have liked to have seen that…

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @denk
  374. @Jonathan Revusky

    I’d have to have moderation power.

    lol, is that an admission that your entire line of argument regarding the Cologne assaults was destroyed in this thread by the many commenters who pointed out the flaws in your reasoning? Pretty weak reaction if your way of coping with that criticism is demanding that it shouldn’t be allowed under future articles.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
    , @Randal
  375. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Okay, you’ve obviously conceded the debate

    Since you are just repeating points which have already been thoroughly discredited and refusing to admit defeat on them, it’s you who has “conceded the debate”. Other than that, you’re just misrepresenting what other people wrote so that you can pretend to score points against them, as follows:

    Well, okay, at least you admit that this is your position. Only the other person needs to prove anything. You never need to prove anything.

    Obviously that isn’t my position, still less is it “admitted” as such. My position is that you are the one making the remarkable assertion, so you need to find sufficient evidence to back it up. It’s hardly a controversial or unusual position.

    You do understand the difference between that and what you assert is my “admitted” position, don’t you?

    What is that remarkable and speculative reinterpretation? That the media is constantly lying about all sorts of things? And this is one more thing they are lying about? That’s something remarkable at this juncture of history?

    I set out what the “remarkable and speculative reinterpretation” is in the comment to which you are replying, so why do you think it’s useful to make up a different meaning for it, which you can more easily attack? The question answers itself, of course.

    I’m the one making remarkable claims? So you believe that hundreds of women can be sexually assaulted in the middle of Cologne train station or just outside and there is absolutely ZERO visual evidence. That is not a remarkable claim, eh?

    For the many very reasonable reasons pointed out to you above, based upon the conditions (dark, crowded and rowdy) and the nature of the crimes described (crowds surrounding women, thefts and assaults carried out quickly), it’s not at all remarkable that there should be no clear video evidence in the public domain. That’s been explained to you at length but you are just too proud and pig-headed to admit that it defeats your entire argument.

    Hold on, aren’t all these same publications the ones who said that Putin invaded Ukraine? That Putin shot down that airliner?

    Aren’t these the same people who are perfectly willing to tell you that Bruce Jenner is a woman?

    That the media regularly lie is not remotely in question, but that of course is not in itself evidence that any particular story is a lie. If you are going to hypothesise a lie by parts of the media that directly harms some of their most cherished political and ideological objectives then you need to present some pretty convincing evidence that the story was false, even before you go on to at least hypothesise as to why they might suddenly have chosen to act so directly against their own interests and causes. As pointed out above, you certainly haven’t begun to do that.

    Yet now, the fact that some of these people (you can’t name them, the virtuous whores…)

    Of course I can, just as you named Marcia Adair, since in most of the stories referenced or linked above there is a clear byline.

    Your position, which is, of course, the classic HIQI position, is that the official story put out there is true because it’s the official story.

    Again, of course this is not my position, as is perfectly clear from the comment to which you are replying. You just choose to rewrite it to make it easy for you to attack it and declare victory for yourself.

    Well done.

    I mean, you’re not even attempting to bring anything to the table. Note also that you’re not providing a single link for me to look at. It’s just the official story is true because it’s the official story.

    Again, you assert that black is white with blithe disregard for the fact that the contrary is clearly the case in the thread above, where you will find numerous relevant links posted for you by me and by others.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  376. @utu

    It is chiefly about sexual assaults and not about actual rapes,

    You’re pretty much cornered in the debate but you won’t concede it. The above is pointless quibbling really. My position is that, to all intents and purposes, nothing happened. It is impossible for hundreds of sexual assaults to occur in that space without there being some visual evidence. I am certain that anybody who engages in this question in an honest manner would draw the same conclusion.

    Of course, it’s even harder with full-blown rapes because you need the clothes to really be torn off, I suppose, which is a major problem in wintertime. So, if it was just pussy grabbing type stuff, through the clothes, then there is no need to tear any clothes off, but I am satisfied that, with hundreds of incidents of even that nature, some would be caught on camera.

    The last thing Randal said, he said that the reason that one had to believe this story is because there were these super-professional presstitutes (who work for BBC and Spiegel and…) who he didn’t name, who apparently interviewed other people who were victims or saw something (who also remain unnamed)… it’s all just storytelling with no serious evidence behind it but since it’s the official story it must be true!!! (It’s bullshit, but it’s the official bullshit, so we must eat it up and say it tastes sooooo goooood.)

    So, this kind of stuff, when you say that the official story is proof of the official story, that is tantamount to admitting there is no real evidence. So he basically sang the HIQI national anthem and conceded the debate.

    Krzysztof Kieslowski

    Ah, yes, Polish film director born in 1941. So the story with an elephant that he was sure he saw as a child. That would have been 1951 at the latest, no? Did everybody have a smartphone in their pockets back then in Poland?

    Oh, so I guess the story of that guy as a child is competely meaningless, isn’t it? You just put it out there as a kind of bizarre distraction to avoid answering the more relevant question I posed in #279.

    So why are you talking such obvious nonsense to create a distraction and then getting into this inappropriate insolent tone with me???


    OH, I KNOW, IT’S BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT LEFT. YOU ARE COMPLETELY CORNERED! TOTALLY TAPPED OUT!!!!!

    So, I dance my victory dance, I sing my victory song and I fart in your general direction, okay?

    But, you see, it finally occurred to me today that you know perfectly well that this is a hoax. This is all a game to you, right? Just a silly little game. Why are you doing this? What is your agenda?

    Revealed: 1,200 women were sexually assaulted by 2,000 men in German cities on New Year’s Eve

    All made up fake news because there are no visuals publicly available? Come on, Revusky.

    Well, all I can say is that if you can visualize 2000 men assaulting 1200 women across Germany in wide open spaces like that and nobody managing to get even a blurry photo, you have a fantastic imagination.

    You are a better man than I, Gunga Dinn….. Or a bigger clown anyway…

  377. Randal says:
    @L.K

    Listen, I say you are a miserable Nestbeschmutzer, bc that is exactly what you are.

    I’ve said before that I don’t agree with German Reader on his overly conventional views on “Holocaust deniers”, but for you to spend as much time as you have here trying to apologise for Revusky’s unsupported fantasy about hundreds of German women lying about immigrant crimes against them and then have the cheek to call him a “nestbeschmutzer” rather beggars belief.

    Revusky here is actively trying to subvert and overturn one of the biggest political setbacks of recent years for the establishment program of imposing mass immigration on Germany and on Europe in general, and to smear those genuinely concerned about the criminality on display in Cologne and elsewhere as contemptible “racists” and dupes. In doing that, he’s promoting the objectives of the very same establishment that criminalises and excludes the very Holocaust and 9/11 dissenters he and you identify with. And he’s doing it without more than the barest shreds of any valid argument.

    It’s far worse than a crime. It’s a self-sabotaging blunder of the most egregious kind, and if there is anything more deserving of the term “nestbeschmutzer” than what Revusky is attempting here and you are acting as an apologist for, then it’s certainly a close call.

    • Agree: utu
  378. @German_reader

    lol, is that an admission that your entire line of argument regarding the Cologne assaults was destroyed

    No, it’s just because I have a lot better things to do with my time than argue with a bunch of dishonest people who will never concede a point. It just goes around and around in circles.

    pointed out the flaws in your reasoning?

    The basic reasoning was presented in the article. It is impossible for hundreds of women to be sexually assaulted in the middle of (or just outside of) Cologne railway station without there being visual evidence of a SINGLE one of these assaults!

    Since it is impossible, it did not happen.

    Nobody has ever pointed out any real flaw in that reasoning. By the way, today I found another comically fake witness, some guy who, unlike the girl who says she was gang-raped but wasn’t even in Cologne, actually testified on a video. This is some dude by name of Ivan Jurcevic. He was doorman at the Excelsior Hotel in Cologne. Here is his testimony:

    He apparently faced down the Muslim Rape Army and there were some of the flower of white womanhood who wanted to be protected by this 7-foot-tall giant manly man. He beat up a bunch of these Muslim rapists and… if you believe anything that Ivan says, there is definitely something wrong with you…

    His exploits were written up uncritically in that great beacon of journalistic truth, the Daily Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3395967/The-Hero-Cologne-7ft-tall-hotel-doorman-ex-kickboxing-champ-saved-two-women-New-Year-s-sex-mob.html

    Look at the photos of this guy:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ivan+jurcevic+cologne&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX78jZ9anVAhUGLVAKHcneCYMQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=629

    What a manly dude, huh? (Actually, the guy looks like a total puto to me…)

    Except where are the photos or video of him protecting the flower of white womanhood against the Muslim Rape Army, just outside the lobby of the Excelsior Hotel?

    Not to be found, again. I think it all took place only in Ivan’s mind. Ivan got his ass fired by the Excelsior Hotel, I think pretty obviously because he is a major-league bullshitter.

    And I think any of your witnesses to all this would also turn out to be bullshitters. Anyway, when you drill down and look for any proof of any of this, you come up with nothing. I knew that perfectly well before this discussion. I would not have affirmed unequivocally that the Cologne thing never happened in an article if I did not feel I was on very strong ground.

    I really did look hard for proof and knew there was none. You see, somebody who is a product of the culture of Bullshit, like you and your buddy Randal, you cannot conceive of what it is not to be a bullshitter, so you think that I say something in an article without having pretty thoroughly investigated it. Except that, unlike you guys, I’m NOT a bullshitter, so I had already investigated the question, capisce?

    I know it’s a disappointment, but life is full of disappointments, man. There is no Muslim Rape Army. Big bad Ivan Jurcevic fought an imaginary Muslim Rape Army in his own mind. Probably had a session of gay sex with them too…. in his own mind….

  379. Randal says:
    @German_reader

    Suggests good judgement on Unz’s part, if as suggested he declined to give moderating authority to Revusky.

    • Agree: German_reader
  380. @Randal

    Hold on, aren’t all these same publications the ones who said that Putin invaded Ukraine? That Putin shot down that airliner?

    Aren’t these the same people who are perfectly willing to tell you that Bruce Jenner is a woman?

    That the media regularly lie is not remotely in question, but that of course is not in itself evidence that any particular story is a lie.

    But dude, the argument you were making was that we have to believe it because these virtuous whores were saying it! But if you accept that they’re constantly saying things that ain’t so, well, you just conceded that your argument is simply NOT an argument!

    Yet now, the fact that some of these people (you can’t name them, the virtuous whores…)

    Of course I can, just as you named Marcia Adair, since in most of the stories referenced or linked above there is a clear byline.

    But Marcia Adair was somebody I brought up, not you! And her testimony is that she walked through that area and did not see any of this. I never, by the way, was relying on this as the sole proof of my position. I was just saying that it does support my view of things, that’s all.

    But again, that was a link I brought into the discussion. My point that you never brought anything similar in, that stands.

    Anyway, I had seen it before, this Ivan Jurcevic guy, the boxer, who claims he fought off Muslim rapists. I came across it today again and looked at this again and my impression is that if you believe anything this guy says, there is really something wrong with you.

    I mentioned all that in a separate response to German Reader.

    In any case, the original argument that I made does stand. When you drill down into any of this, there is not a single real reason to believe anything really happened. It’s a well constructed mediatic hoax that is quite worthy of study, that is true, but if you investigate it seriously, you see that it’s pure unadulterated bullshit. Just is.

    And this business that it’s too dark to get ANYTHING…. lame handwaving… There is various video footage where you see people pretty clearly. The problem is that none of it is consistent with this mass sexual assault narrative. Just isn’t. THe guy in this video expressed it very well and his argument stands:

    OH, also, this logical debunking from just a couple of weeks after the event is pretty good, I think:

    http://avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/questioning-the-rape-narrative-in-cologne-germany/

    • Replies: @German_reader
  381. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I really don’t know what do about all this now. When my last article came out, I asked Unz for moderation powers because I anticipated how much of an attack the article was going to come under and didn’t want to deal with it. Unz refused in a rather snotty tone really. So somebody like Karlin can ban me from his blog but any anonymous whack job can just show up and deface my article.

    If I did have moderation capability, I’d just dump utu and Rurik and a bunch of these other gits into a killfile and that’s that. I don’t have to deal with their BS anymore. I certainly can’t continue in this vein, even if Ron wants to accept any more articles. I’d have to have moderation power.

    Forget it, Mr. Razor. Those philistines will never listen and most of them are probably sent by your enemies anyway. The only solution is your own blog where we can all receive your pearls with no swines being present.

    I’m humbly submitting my suggestion for the banner. It will be much improved if you can grant me access to the inner sanctum, Mr. Razor:

    • LOL: Rurik
  382. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You lost it. Now you vilify me. It clearly is an indication that in partisan fights trying to be objective w/o taking sides usually does not pay. In the end one ends up being attacked by both sides.

    Ron Unz have noticed that I was not your opponent in his comment #281:

    Well, actually a somewhat pro-Revusky commenter posted upthread a lengthy excerpt from an extremely detailed account of the Cologne attacks, allegedly based on first-hand interviews

    But it went over your head. Your eyes got filled up with blood and you have stopped seeing clearly. Now you can only see enemies. All of us are your enemies because we do not agree with you 100%. You apply some trunc function that turns any number less than 100% into 0%. The enemies are of your creation.

    And now you got on the high horse and from that high position you see this:

    I see the utter mendacity and thuggish nature of this person.

    and this

    he has advocated vicious smear tactics as a political tool.

    and even allude to physical violence

    because genuine thuggery, though hardly a good thing, does require a certain element of physical courage.

    just because in comment # 5 I asked an innocuous question (which later was elaborated eloquently by Randal) which you have ignored until now:

    Why honesty is necessary for achieving goals?

    You still haven’t answered the questions though. If you decide to answer it read first Randal’s comments starting with #332.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  383. @Jonathan Revusky

    But Marcia Adair was somebody I brought up, not you! And her testimony is that she walked through that area and did not see any of this.

    Are you really so f***ing dumb that you don’t get Randal’s point? You write that journalists are often manipulative liars (and I actually agree with that)…and then you base your argument about Cologne on what a journalist writes (one whose “antiracist” SJW agenda is clearly discernible in her article), as if that would refute hundreds of witness statements.
    But obviously there’s no point to arguing with you…like talking to a brick wall.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  384. @Randal

    hundreds of German women lying about immigrant crimes against them

    Strictly speaking, I don’t know if hundreds of German women were lying. Maybe the media was just lying when they said that there were hundreds who had made this claim.

    But, as I already explained ad nauseam, the whole thing is ridiculous. If something is impossible, that means it didn’t happen. If hundreds of German women say they saw Angela Merkel walking on the water, I do not believe that it’s true, because for me, that is clearly impossible. It could thousands of women saying it, they could all be catholic nuns, it doesn’t matter….

    In my considered view, it is impossible for hundreds of women to be sexually assaulted in that space without there being at least some visuals.

    THEREFORE, IT DID NOT HAPPEN!

    overturn one of the biggest political setbacks of recent years for the establishment program of imposing mass immigration on Germany and on Europe in general,

    You are projecting your own obsessions on me. I am not at all concerned with whether the truth about this incident (i.e. that it did NOT happen) supports the immigration cause or not.

    I speak the truth, as I see it, simply because it is the TRUTH, not because it is expedient for whatever political agenda.

    As I said in the very article, I am NOT an advocate of high immigration. But, as I also went on to say, if you guys can’t make your case honestly, without inventing imaginary Muslim rape armies, you’ve got a problem!

    Well, maybe you do have a problem, because you’re so invested in this bullshit MRA narrative that, to admit that it’s bullshit is a major loss of face. But you might as well take the hit now and get your shit together in terms of making an honest anti-immigration case. I think this MRA thing has got a certain half-life and people are wising up to the fact that it’s just bullshit.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  385. Sam Shama says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    [I know you haven’t read the article, so…]

    As I noted earlier, molluscs wouldn’t read your article on the prospect of death through boredom, so why should I?

    The comments section otoh sheds much light on your character. For example, I had missed your creepy threat to doxx Rurik previously, but made aware of it here.

    Look at it this way. The fact your own identity is disclosed, yet you indulge in despicable behaviour, is ample testament that your identity is insignificant, that of an inconsequential, narcissistic, foul-mouthed idiot, as opposed to, as you think, a mark of your courage.

    You don’t own this space. Do you realise that?

    Begone. Or not, since the comments under your pieces are great.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  386. @German_reader

    and then you base your argument about Cologne on what a journalist writes

    First of all, Marcia Adair is primarily an English teacher. She just does some freelance journalism on the side.

    Second of all, my argument is not really based on Marcia Adair. It’s based on the lack of any visual evidence. That is the main point.

    The fact that somebody who looks credible to me, she walked through the area at the time and saw nothing, that only is some datum that tends to reinforce my view, but my argument is not based primarily on that, no.

    The problem is that the available visuals simply are not consistent with the mass sexual assault story. It’s that simple.

    as if that would refute hundreds of witness statements.

    This is all just story telling, as I said before. In past centuries, hundreds of people could claim that Jews drank the blood of Christian children, or they saw some people practicing witchcraft. And now it’s hundreds of people claiming that young Arab men go raping (or assaulting or whatever) women right, left, and center in the main train station.

    The story does not make any sense! Why would any real rapists go do their raping right there at the train station in full sight of hundreds of people, with CCTV all over the place and…? It’s such a deranged racist fantasy.

    It reminds me of these phony terrorist incidents that all occur at airports. Would a real terrorist ever go to the airport to do something? It’s the worst possible place. So obviously, you know the terrorist incident is some sort of hoax or false flag if its at an airport!

  387. @Jonathan Revusky

    Maybe the media was just lying when they said that there were hundreds who had made this claim.

    It’s not just the media reporting this, it’s based on official statements by the police; in an earlier post I linked to the official report by the state legislature of North-Rhine-Westphalia about those incidents. Your theory would mean this “hoax” was concocted by the German state apparatus…which is totally absurd since the German establishment does everything it can to cover up the crimes of the “refugees” they let into the country.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  388. @Sam Shama

    [I know you haven’t read the article, so…]

    As I noted earlier, molluscs wouldn’t read your article on the prospect of death through boredom, so why should I?

    Okay, so you’re openly admitting that you are here commenting under an article that you have not read.

    I mean to say, you do not even pretend that you are not a troll…. Obviously, if I knew who you were, I would expose you immediately, simply because people have to have some sort of defense against this kind of bullshit, where people only admit that they have a disruptive agenda and that’s that. They aren’t here to discuss the article, they openly admit they never read it!

    I did nothing wrong wrt Rurik. He was completely out of line and I warned him. WTF is one supposed to do? It’s crazy… And in the end, it worked, but now he’s here lying, saying that I threatened to doxx him because he disagreed with me about something. I threatened to doxx him because he was calling me “idiotic cunt” and “fuckhead” from behind an alias!

    Yet he keeps repeating that I threatened to doxx him for disagreeing with me…. After I provided everybody the link to the exchange so that they could see for themselves. Amazing…

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Rurik
    , @Sam Shama
  389. @Jonathan Revusky

    my sister worked at downtown(just in the area not in the buildings) Manhattan 3 months before 9/11 her company moved to mid town. she saw the 2nd plane before it hit the 2nd building. just like thousands and thousands of other people that day in Manhattan. the only questions(there has been alot of discussions on this) remaining are how the buildings went down, if the planes caused the buildings to go down, if not, what did. not if planes hit the twin towers.

    do you know how many ppl in Manhattan that day saw the 2nd plane hit that 2nd building?

    Cologne attack, no video!!! it didn’t happen!!! police reports be damned!!! all those girls are lying!!!

    9/11 attack, thousands of witnesses, and live video feeds = no planes.

    you are a

    Cass Sunstein agent, working very hard to discredit “conspiracy theorists” or “9/11 Truthers.”

    you would have a leg to stand on if you were talking about the pentagon or the other plane. but just appear like a crazy if talking about the nyc planes.

    • Troll: Jonathan Revusky
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  390. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    “After I provided everybody the link to the exchange so that they could see for themselves. Amazing…”

    The same exchange that you had said I “dredged up”? That would be a concession- amazing!

  391. Rurik says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    That’s like demanding that a human being apologize to an animal. And not even a noble animal like a thoroughbred race horse or Simba the lion king, but something more like a rat or a cockroach.

    what, what what drives this pathological hatred?

    “a human being apologize to an animal”

    that sounds like the Chabad Lubavitches talking about Gentiles like they’re soulless insects.

    this hatred and wrath is otherworldly, no? It was even the motivation for this entire idiotic manure pile of an article.

    obviously there are some very deep, very disturbing things going on with this poor fellow

    I almost wonder if his angst over the missing videos isn’t motivated by a prurient desire to watch them (does anyone doubt that he’d like to see such things?)

    JR, if you’re that tormented by this craving, I’m sure there’s some porn sites that will give you release

    God knows, and everyone reading this, can see that you need it bad dude

    Personally I suspect that Mr. Unz suggestion that JR apologize, was because he knew JR didn’t have the strength of character to do so, and so Mr. Unz figured it was the best way to get Revusky to stop badgering him to publish his crap in Ron’s otherwise excellent webzine.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  392. Rurik says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Arab rapist would rape a German girl and then an Indian soldier would jump on top of the Ay-rab and rape him.

    And nobody got that on camera! Damn! I sure would have liked to have seen that

    for the first time I feel absolutely certain that you’re telling the truth here JR!

  393. Rurik says: • Website
    @Randal

    Revusky here is actively trying to subvert and overturn one of the biggest political setbacks of recent years for the establishment program of imposing mass immigration on Germany and on Europe in general, and to smear those genuinely concerned about the criminality on display in Cologne and elsewhere as contemptible “racists” and dupes. In doing that, he’s promoting the objectives of the very same establishment that criminalises and excludes the very Holocaust and 9/11 dissenters he and you identify with. And he’s doing it without more than the barest shreds of any valid argument.

    It’s far worse than a crime. It’s a self-sabotaging blunder of the most egregious kind, and if there is anything more deserving of the term “nestbeschmutzer” than what Revusky is attempting here and you are acting as an apologist for, then it’s certainly a close call.

    I have to agree with Randal here LK

  394. Rurik says: • Website
    @Jonathan Revusky

    because he was calling me “idiotic cunt”

    well…?

    that I threatened to doxx him for disagreeing with me

    and… a lying POS !

    kudos for your accomplishments

    not everyone can achieve that remarkable level of notoriety

    I did nothing wrong wrt Rurik. He was completely out of line and I warned him. …… And in the end, it worked,

    yep, a low life POS

    you’re bragging about threatening to dox someone (and betray the trust they put in you) in order to silence me from pointing out how idiotic your thoughts ultimately are, and that you’re obviously a raging cunt

    I suspect that you’re going to go away from this not only with zero credibility, but that there won’t be one honest person on this planet that doesn’t consider you a dangerous scumbag

  395. Sam Shama says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Here is a precis for your piece:

    The entire West is involved in an elaborate conspiracy to malign Muslims. These rape stories are entirely fabricated and did not occur since no videos of any of these episodes have surfaced. There is simply no proof.

    Of course, in the process of so many commentators striving to get through to you re: your obtuse inability to accept their various arguments, you simply keep reiterating your default position as if it were a wholly self-sufficient counter argument. Lack of video graphic proof is not proof of absence of said crimes. Only a mind deluged with conspiracies is incapable of grasping that.

    For example, you had nothing of meaning to say to the investigative official report produced by German_reader. You ignore there are scores of complaints/reports made to the German police. Many of these women, I can only imagine, do not wish to speak openly about their horrid experiences.

    You keep accusing others of not possessing any self-awareness. If that is not the most glaring example of projection I don’t know what projection is!

    In every instance, it is you that starts foul mouthing and then complains when you receive it back in kind.

    You lie with a blitheness rarely seen. The exchange between you and Rurik was exactly that which Geokat and Rurik recounted them to be. You attack with foul words first, and when given back in kind, respond in the lowest manner possible; by threatening to betray a trust of privacy afforded to you.

    In closing, I can only hope for two things: First, that you seek professional help for your mental condition, which if you receive already, observe the medication protocol zealously; and second, that Ron Unz does not gift you with the power of moderation. You have not earned it.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @Erebus
  396. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    Yes, I’m pretty sure Revusky is trolling his own readers as well as annoying non-readers like Sam, in order to generate more comments on his thread.

    I think there’s been enough of it. We should tell Revusky to drop dead and convert this into an open thread to discuss anything whatever.

    Well, anything except 9/11, which was obviously an inside job since there was no forensic investigation, no proper judicial inquiry but only a fake commission of inquiry set up to fail, as its Chair, Vice Chair and Legal Council all stated after completing their “work.” And anyway everyone who understands basic physics knows that no building collapses even for 2.4 seconds at the acceleration of gravity unless explosives are used to blow away the support beneath the falling part of the building. And since Donald Trump was there on 9/13 to tell a German TV station that the fires, at 1600 degrees, were simply too hot for the buildings to withstand, we can be pretty sure that he was fronting then, and therefore now, for some faction of the Deep State: the military presumably, fed-up with being restrained from killing as many people as they need to get the job done.

    And “Crikey” Sam, where did you get that expression from. Are you English, or what?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  397. Sam Shama says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I think the penny just dropped; for me at least. You are right, Revusky is trying to generate comments. Yet I stand by my diagnosis that he is off kilter mentally. I am stopping after this.

    And yes, crikey is an expression I still cling to after more than a decade away from England. Born, raised and nostalgic often. You sound a Brit as well?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Talha
  398. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Sam Shama

    You sound a Brit as well?

    Yes, I suppose I still am, although by next year, I will have been away (mostly) for more than 50 years.

    Although Revusky calls me a troll for saying it, I do feel at least a little sorry for him. One article of his that I read here, I thought was very good (I think I said at the time it was brilliant), but judging by this piece, he would benefit, I think, from the firm hand of a good editor, which is not available to him here. Instead, he is being flayed publicly, which I don’t like to see, however, intemperate and disproportionate his reaction to his critics. Better had the article in its current form never seen the light of day.

  399. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Crickey!!! 400 posts!!!

    Heavens to Mergatroid…

    Ducking now!

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  400. denk says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You didnt bother to read the post, thats in India.
    A bit OT I admit tho.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  401. annamaria says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    “…that you are such a prim, proper lady, and are so shocked by my “foul language” or something.”

    You are a villain. A banal villain. By the way, your article is verbose and boring; it is consumed by narcissism.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  402. @annamaria

    You are a villain.

    Oh really? What is the most vile, villainous act that you are aware of my having committed?

  403. @denk

    You didnt bother to read the post, thats in India.

    Phew, that’s a relief. I really got the impression that the Indian army was there raping people in Cologne railway station. After all, that is what the conversation was about, no? The alleged incident in Cologne.

    A bit OT I admit tho.

    Nah, not really. Germany…. India…. Rotherham…. Zimbabwe… Cologne…. It’s all the same thing.

    It’s the Lord of the Rings. The Orcs are invading the Shire. They are ravaging the local maidens…

  404. @Talha

    Oh, good grief. If it ain’t Omar Sharif with his “I’m a sweet Muzzie” shtick.

    Out of curiosity, do you think it is possible for hundreds of women to be sexually assaulted in or around the Cologne Railway station without there being any visual evidence?

    I know you try very hard to believe any calumny against Muslims. But it surely must be hard for you to believe this one.

    Also, you’re here commenting without having read the article, right?

    • Replies: @Talha