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The Brawl that Wasn’t

A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

Mark Twain

Sometime a bit over a year ago, I came across an article describing a big brawl that occurred in, of all places, Murmansk, way north in Russia. The story, in the Daily Caller, by one Jacob Boesson, is entitled: Refugees Go Clubbing In Russia, Harass Girls, Wake Up In Hospital The Next Morning. The story is dated February 4, 2016, but the events described would have taken place on the previous weekend, on Friday 29 January.

A group of 51 refugees were brutally assaulted outside a night club in Murmansk, Russia, after they groped and molested women at a night club Saturday.

The story goes on to claim that some of the refugees, eighteen of them, were beaten so badly that they were hospitalized. Well, I read a lot of stuff on any given day, both in the mainstream and alternative media, and I increasingly have a pretty skeptical attitude towards most of it. I was aware from the start that this story gave off a funny smell. The article contains no photographs or video of the (alleged) event and also does not reference any of the Russian news media, which would presumably have been the first ones to report the incident.

Just for starters, let’s consider the setting: Murmansk, Russia. Here:

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A bit of googling confirmed a suspicion that I already held: Murmansk is an extremely cold place — especially in January, especially at night, and especially for somebody who is from a Mediterranean country. Perhaps that alone is not an utterly decisive consideration, but I already had some difficulty visualizing this story. Seeing just how insanely cold Murmansk would be for a Middle Easterner, I just figure that if they had some warm place to stay, they would not venture outside. But no, they all decide to go out and do some “clubbing”. Well, who knows? Maybe they all had arctic parkas that they bought in the Damascus Souq before embarking on their journey north.

So there they were, fifty-one Arab refugees in a nightclub in the tropical paradise of Murmansk, Russia. One would think that this is already such an odd sight that somebody would have pulled out their phone and snapped some photos to share on social media, but apparently not. So we have to visualize it. I guess, if pressed, we could imagine some fifty-one Middle Easterners, variants on Sacha Baron-Cohen’s Borat character, all hoping to score some “sexy time” with a local babe — utterly convinced that their dark, handsome looks make them irresistible to Nordic women. And of course, it does not occur to any of them that their inability to speak a single word of Russian will be any obstacle!

For all my doubts about this story, it was not until some months after it came out in the Western media that it occurred to me to look for it in the Russian media. I had been studying Russian for several years for personal reasons but it did not occur to me immediately to check Russian language sources. So finally, I looked at Yandex News, Yandex being the Russian equivalent of Google. I quickly came across some references to the event in Russian, but noticed that they all used the Western articles as their information source for an event that had presumably happened in their own country! Eventually, I came across this article from a Russian News Agency, Flashnord: В МУРМАНСКОЙ ПОЛИЦИИ ЗАВЕРЯЮТ, ЧТО ДРАКИ С БЕЖЕНЦАМИ НЕ БЫЛО.

“In the Murmansk region, the police assure that there was no altercation with refugees.”

The key paragraph is the second one in the article:

«Полицейскими опрошены работники заведения, изучены записи с камер внутреннего видеонаблюдения, а также записи с камер видеонаблюдения системы „Безопасный город“. В результате комплекса мероприятий информация не нашла своего подтверждения», — говорится в сообщении.

There are several different online translators to run this through and, in no case is the translation anywhere near perfect, but it is good enough for one to verify the basic meaning. Thus, Google Translate provides the following translation:

“The police interviewed the workers of the establishment, studied the recordings from the internal video surveillance cameras, as well as the recordings from the CCTV cameras of the” Safe City “system. As a result of the complex of measures, the information did not find its confirmation,” the message says.

The Russian competitor Yandex Translate generates the following:

“Police interviewed employees of the institution, studied the CCTV internal CCTV and also the CCTV video surveillance system “Safe city”. As a result of complex activities, the information wasn’t confirmed”, — stated in the message.

What this article is saying, in a very dry, matter-of-fact style, is that the local police in the area got wind of this story of the big brawl with refugees and went to investigate. There is some sort of video surveillance system in the establishment called Безопасный город, which means “Safe City”. The cops examined the video surveillance footage and interviewed people who would have been there to see what happened, and they concluded that the whole incident simply never took place.

This article is dated 30 January 2016, one day after the alleged brawl, so clearly the local Russian language news media debunked the story quite quickly.

A day later, on 31 January 2016, there is an article in Komsomolskaya Pravda with a more jocose tone. Thearticleisentitled: “ПРОВЕРКА СЛУХА: В российском Заполярье мигранты приставали к девушкам?” In English: “Rumor Checking: Did Migrants Molest Girls in the Russian Arctic?” And the subtitle is: “Местныетихопобилиарабовзаугломночногоклуба”, i.e. “Locals quietly beat up Arabs in the corner of a nightclub.” (My emphasis.)

Even with my limited Russian language skills, the ironic tone of the article comes through. The subtitle, of course, is sarcastically alluding to the fact that nobody heard or saw any of this, and it does not appear on the CCTV cameras. To be honest, the use of irony and sarcasm by these Russian journalists was mildly surprising to me. I came of age during the Cold War and always thought of the Russians as these dour, humorless people. I don’t know how I got that impression, since, at the time, I had never met any actual Russians. It must have been from Hollywood movies. So, there are many things to take away from this. The brawl did not take place and Russians do have a sense of humor.

This second article includes much more detail than the earlier one. Clearly, the newspaper actually sent somebody to the scene of events to do the fact checking. For example, one of the patrons of the Gandvik nightclub – “Gandvik”, by the way, is the name of the place where this allegedly occurred – is quoted as saying that he was there on Friday night and he did not see any Arabs there. The article provides the man’s full name, Mikhail Arkhagolov.

Another person quoted by name in the article is an employee of Gandvik, one Maxim Tikhonov, who is quoted as saying:

«Полиция бывает сама приезжает без вызова, посмотреть что творится в клубе. В ту ночь в клубе никаких драк я не видел. Не исключаю вариант что кто то плохо себя вел, полиция приехала и забрала. А по поводу что пишут про арабов, их не было в клубе, это точно. »

Here is my own translation:

“The police frequently come to the club without being called, to check out what is going on there. On that night, no fighting took place. I don’t exclude the possibility that somebody behaved badly, and the police came and took the person away. But, as regards what was written about Arabs, there weren’t any in the club, that is certain.”

The article also quotes the local mayor, Maxim Pukhov, by name. Mr. Pukhov, by the way, is not the mayor of Murmansk, but of the town of Polyarnye Zori, which is where Gandvik nightclub is located. Mr. Pukhov is quoted as saying that they received an anonymous phone call telling of the brawl with the refugees, except that, as related already, on investigation, the whole thing turned out to be false.

Stop Making Sense!

Some stories are true that never happened.

Elie Wiesel

”Good grief, Revusky, you’re such a dreadful bore! You’re as bad as that Ronnie Unz with his tedious ‘American Pravda’ shtick! ‘Is this really true?’ …. ‘Is that really what happened?’ How long will it take people like you to realize that nobody cares? Ordinary well-adjusted people in our society do not concern themselves with such trivia!”

“Oh, you mean, trivial little details, like whether something like this really happened or not.”

“Exactly. It’s like Elie said, just because something didn’t exactly happen, doesn’t mean it’s not true!”

“Uhh…. say what?”

“You just don’t get it, Revusky. Look, the story of the manly Russian men beating up those filthy Ay-rabs moved me, in the core of my being. It reflects a profound truth.”

“But it’s bullshit! It didn’t happen!”

“Sheesh, you really are a lost cause, Revusky. You’ll never get it. Whether this exactly happened or not doesn’t matter. That’s for weirdos like you or Unz or the .01% of the population that read articles like this to obsess about… a bunch of geeks and misfits…”

“Hey, there’s no need to insult my readership!”

“You’re right. I’ll just stick to insulting you from here on.”

“Thanks, I appreciate that.”

Though the preceding dialogue is fiction, I think it will ring true to many readers. Been there, done that… Channeling the late Elie Wiesel, we could say that the above conversation didn’t literally happen but it is true nonetheless! It is satirical, I suppose, but it doesn’t even exaggerate the situation that much. In my own experience, people really will tell you pretty much openly that they believe things because it gives them emotional satisfaction to believe them.

So, however infuriating, my obnoxious, fictitious interlocutor has got a point. People fall for these sorts of synthetic narratives because the story resonates with them on some emotional level. Once one understands this, it really should come as no surprise that this fake news story of the big brawl in the Russian Arctic went viral; it entered a sort of right-wing, deeply racist, Islamophobic echo chamber and became a “fact” for very many people. It is not very hard to demonstrate that the whole thing never happened, but that really just does not seem to matter one whole hell of a lot.

The MRA Synthetic Narrative: The Muslim Rape Army is Comin’ to Getcha!

Yo! There’s no place to hide once we step inside da room… ♫
Da M.R.A. ain’t nuttin’ ta fuk wit’, da M.R.A. ain’t nuttin’ ta fuk wit’ …♫

This whole Battle of Murmansk story, in which the manly men of Russia delivered a decisive defeat to the Muslim molesters, is pretty obviously part of some larger synthetic narrative that was already rolled out earlier. Let us call this the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, or MRA for short. It really got going some weeks before, on New Year’s Eve, in Cologne, Germany. There, the Muslim Rape Army had gone unopposed because of the testicular deficiency of the German metrosexual girlie-men, who stood by while the MRA had their way with the local German girls, hundreds of them apparently. Somehow hundreds of young women were sexually assaulted in a wide open public space without anybody getting any clear video or photos of it.

Now, I have been increasingly converging on the view that, when it comes to examining whatever synthetic narrative, the natural starting point in one’s analysis is timeline. Typically, it is of great interest to track how a story evolved over time, when the various memes were introduced. For instance, precisely how long did it take, after the attacks of 9/11, for the entire Western media to be treating the guilt of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda as an absolute certainty? How much evidence for this existed at that point in time?

Also, there is the question of preparing the terrain, i.e. prefiguration. The GWOT narrative was certainly prefigured well in advance, but 9/11 was really when it was rolled out for prime time. So, it could well be worth examining when the Western media started hyping this bogeyman Bin Laden character as some great terrorist mastermind. Or what about the Afghanistan angle? When exactly did the whole subnarrative about the Taliban get introduced into the story? And what about Saddam Hussein? When did they start talking about him in conjunction with the whole terrorism issue? These are questions you could ask when trying to examine this whole Global War on Terror (GWOT) synthetic narrative, how certain things became so firmly established in the public mind – things for which there really was never an iota of proof.

Some More Arctic Drilling

When I revisited this particular Arctic saga recently, looking at the timeline more closely, the first thing that struck me about it was just how quickly the story was debunked – I mean, at the local level, in the Murmansk region. It was never more than an unsubstantiated rumor anyway, but certainly, within 48 hours of the alleged event, anybody who looked at the local area Russian language news would see very quickly that this had never happened.

Now, obviously, the reason that the story was debunked so quickly was because all of the local people involved did exactly what you would expect responsible adults to do in a sane, honest society. The local cops, on hearing this rumor, looked for some actual proof that the alleged incident had occurred. (Wow, dude! Proof! What a concept!) So they looked at the security camera footage, they interviewed people… Of course, there was no proof of any of it, because, as we know, it didn’t happen. So, just a day after the alleged event, the Flashnord news agency corrected their earlier report, and said that the incident never happened. That was on 30 January, and on 31 January, there was the more comprehensive Komsomolskaya Pravda article. That article was pretty damned comprehensive: not only was there no brawl with Arabs in Gandvik nightclub, but it’s pretty clear that there weren’t even any Arabs there! (Maybe the local lads were quietly shadow boxing in the corner with some imaginary Arabs…)

Well, on reflection, I suppose it’s not really that noteworthy that the relevant local people simply did their jobs and thus quashed the fake news story almost immediately. No, what actually is noteworthy is that the local people did their jobs AND it made absolutely no difference! As per Mark Twain, this particular piece of bullshit sprouted wings and flew around the world. And this happened well after the story was comprehensively debunked. The Daily Caller article is from 4 February. Russia Insider, which bills itself as “Your daily reality snack” picked up the story a few days after that, on 7 February – a full week after the local Russian media had thoroughly debunked the rumor. Now, I would say, in particular, that a site called “Russia Insider” that has a mailing address in Moscow really has no business being taken in by something like this. But regardless, it’s all over the place. The story is mirrored in practically any language you look for it. I’ve found it in Spanish, French, German…

The Miracle of the Multiplication of the Muslims (MMM)

Bam! Aw man! We slam! We jam! We scream like Tah-zan!
Da M.R.A. ain’t nuttin’ ta fuk wit’, da M.R.A. ain’t nuttin’ ta fuk wit’ … ♫

Another aspect that I failed to notice the first time I looked at this is the way the story changed from the initial rumor to when it went viral in the Western alt-media – namely, the magical multiplication of the Muslims, MMM for short. The initial rumor that was reported at the end of January did not involve 50+ Muslims, but a smaller number: five. That appeared in English on the Fort-Russ website on 30 January. That is simply the translation of an article in Russian that had appeared on the Flashnord website. Here is some key text:

Several refugees from Arab countries were beaten in the middle of the night of Saturday in the city of Polyarnye Zori (Murmansk oblast), reported a FlashNord source in the law enforcement bodies of the region.

The incident occurred in the nightclub Gandvik.

“According to preliminary data, five refugees were beaten in the entertainment establishment. According to witnesses, they behaved insolently and had been pestering local girls,” — said the Agency’s interlocutor.

For the sake of completeness, I should point out that the above translation, from the Fort-Russ website, contains a significant translation error. The text saying “five refugees” were beaten was mistranslated. It should be “up to five refugees”. The original Russian is “допяти”, which means “up to five” or it could be also be translated as “five or fewer”. I have mixed feelings about harping on this. I used to do translation work (though never from Russian) and I know how easy it is to make mistakes. Still, it seems like a pretty sloppy mistake. “Five or fewer” is not the same as “five”. It doesn’t matter much because the really glaring question is how the hell the story went from five refugees to fifty-one! The stories that went viral a week after this all claimed that 51 (surprisingly precise number) Arabs were beaten up. Also, 18 were hospitalized. (It is quite a feat of fisticuffs to beat up five Arabs and cause 18 of them to be hospitalized!)

More typical Revusky nitpicking! Five, fifty, eighteen…. What’s the difference anyway? When you go on about this stuff, people’s eyes glaze over!”

Well, you’re right in a way. It doesn’t make any difference. The true number is ZERO! Zero Arabs were there in the first place. Zero were beaten up and zero were hospitalized!”

Okay, well, zero is a number too, after all….”

I think it is instructive to drill down into the details. The mistranslation of “up to five” as simply five is sloppy, but it’s easy enough to see how it happened, and we should attribute it to honest error. But how did the five Arabs then turn into fifty-one? How could that be an honest mistake?

My own theory is that the people who decided to push this story may have honestly believed that the story of five Arabs getting beaten up was true, but they also figured that five is really just too chickenshit a number. So it was like: what the heck, let’s say fifty instead. Well, it’s like padding an expense account. If there aren’t really any controls in place and nobody is going to call you on it, then…. But then the problem is that, just as with the padded expense account, if the numbers are too round, it looks suspicious, and that would be why they adjusted fifty up to fifty-one.

That’s my theory of how they got from five to fifty-one. As for how they got the figure of 18 Arabs hospitalized, well, I actually have a separate, independent theory for that: whoever it was pulled it out of his ass. (Well, never mind. If worse comes to worst, maybe they can get laws passed in the various Western countries making it a crime to question any of these numbers.)

Geography is a Bitch

Another aspect of this story that I missed the first time round was the way the alleged scene of the event shifted. The reason this occurred, to put it bluntly, was because of a complete lack of people doing the most basic homework. I shall explain…

The Daily Caller and most of the other new sources (using the term loosely) that reported on this refer to the event having happened simply in “Murmansk” or “Murmansk, Russia”, which anybody would parse as meaning the city of Murmansk. But the original rumor (which also alleged 5 refugees being beaten up as opposed to 51) was about an event alleged to have occurred in Gandvik Nightclub, which is not in the city of Murmansk (population 300,000) but in Polyarnye Zori, a much smaller city (population 15,000) that lies 224 km (139 miles) to the south. The confusion arises from the fact that Polyarnye Zori is still in the administrative region of Murmansk, i.e. Murmansk Oblast.

In any case, make no mistake; this is no nitpicking, trivial detail. The distinction here is just about perfectly analogous to the difference between New York City and New York State. (Coincidentally, Murmansk Oblast is almost exactly the same size as New York State, about 2% larger.) So, it’s as if somebody, reporting on an event alleged to have happened in some small town in upstate New York, then reported it as having happened in New York City, because he doesn’t know the difference! Granted, that’s understandable in a way. Until quite recently, I certainly did not know the difference between the port city of Murmansk and the overall region,Murmansk Oblast. But now I do know. Why is that? Because I looked it up! I guess I’m kind of old school in that way. I think that if you are going to write about stuff like this, and be even halfway credible, you really have to have your shit together on these sorts of basic facts.

You see, also, we are at a stage in history where there really is no excuse. It is so easy to get these things right with a quick google search that, when people get these kinds of very basic things wrong, it is bound to be a red flag. So, if somebody writes about something in Canada and clearly has never figured out the difference between the city of Quebec and the province of Quebec, or the person confuses the city of Vancouver with Vancouver Island, what does this tell you? Maybe it is not absolutely determinate, but if somebody is so careless as to get things like that wrong, it really makes little sense to take that person seriously as an information source.

Taking the Virtual Tour

At this stage of the exposition, it is long established, at about a 1000% level of certainty, that nothing happened in Gandvik Nightclub on 29 January 2016; it is a constructed fiction, a synthetic event. Still, one can take an interest in the setting of a fictional event. For example, countless Sherlock Holmes fans have visited 221 Baker Street in London to see where the great detective shared accommodation with Dr. John Watson, his great friend and straight man. This is not so crazy really, because even though Holmes and Watson are fictitious individuals, the Victorian London of the stories is a real place, or based on a real place anyway.

Gandvik nightclub, in the town of Polyarnye Zori, is also a real place. It is where this more recent fiction, the Great Battle of Murmansk, is set. It can be instructive to look at the setting of the story because a synthetic narrative will typically have some little bits of truth to it. This was what I was getting at in my first article on the Unz Review, where I coined the term Roger Rabbit Narrative. The Roger Rabbit movie is not a straight animation in which everything on the screen is a cartoon. Cartoon elements co-exist on the screen with real people and objects.

After a bit of research, I did conclude that some Arab refugees have passed through the town of Polyarnye Zori. On investigation, it is something of a transit hub. It lies right along the Moscow-Murmansk highway and also has a train station, with connections to both Moscow (28 hours) and St. Petersburg (23 hours). I saw all of this courtesy of Google Maps, and I also see that if one were to drive 20 hours north from Moscow, one could hang a left there and head west towards Finland or Norway. Also, I have come across articles that describe how some Syrian refugees really have taken this circuitous backdoor route into Europe, via the Russian Far North, and thus, they probably really did pass through Polyarnye Zori, this town founded in Soviet times that straddles the Arctic Circle. I assume that this rather sad story really did happen, but, unlike the Battle of Murmansk, received little attention. As I said at the beginning, it is pretty cold up there in January and somebody from a warm country who found himself there would probably not think about going out partying.

The little town of Polyarnye Zori started to intrigue me and I was wondering what the place is like. Well, a picture tells a thousand words. At first blush, it does seem to be a rather grim looking place. It is a compact little town, though I suspect that people could still get lost amidst the monotonous Soviet architecture, which I guess is why the authorities have put out a handy little map, which I found online:

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This should allow us to get the lay of the land. Armed with the above map, let us go on a little virtual tour, shall we? We can stroll around (virtually) and end up at the notorious “Gandvik” night club, the scene of the alleged events.

Scanning down the list of numbered locations on the map…. locations 1, 2, and 3 are bank branches. Makes sense. Anybody passing through might want to find an ATM. Location 4 is the aforementioned train station. Now things get a bit interesting. Location 5 is the Lyokha Cafe-Bar. Well, that’s not Gandvik. But, not to worry. It’s there! The Gandvik bar is location 22 on the map. Maybe Polynarnye Zori is not so bad; it has two bars, two restaurants (locations 8 and 9), three hotels (locations 10, 11, and 12), a Post Office (location 14), two pharmacies (locations 15 and 16). Location 20 is a church (right on the other side of town from Gandvik bar) and location 21 is a supermarket. There is a movie house (location 13) and a post office (location 14) too. Location 6 is a gym/fitness center and 17 is the public swimming pool, which I assume is indoor and heated. Location 19 is the skating rink. So, the town has most everything people need, I suppose, all within walking distance.

Locations A, B, and C on the map are the fire station, militia, and some sort of first aid clinic respectively. I guess the latter is where the 18 refugees in need of medical attention after the brawl would have been taken — assuming anything had actually happened, that is.

But anyway, the focal point of the story is the Gandvik Nightclub. It looks like it’s right next to one of the hotels, Gostinitza Zori, which is number 12 on the map. I’m pretty sure that this hotel and the nightclub are really basically the same business. Given how far north this is, I would bet (though I am not sure) that one could go between locations 12, 22, and 21 (the supermarket) without venturing outdoors.

Despite being located in a grim, freezing cold, Soviet planned city, the Gandvik Night Club looks like a rather gay place actually. (I mean “gay” in the traditional sense, before the word got hijacked.) The establishment has a VKontakte page. (VKontakte is the Russian equivalent of Facebook.) The page’s heading reads: “У нас самые весёлые вечеринки в городе, самая яркая и зажигательная музыка от лучших диджеев, с нами не соскучишься!))”

“We have the most fun parties in town, the most stimulating and provocative music from the best DJ’s, with us you won’t be bored!”

Revuski-1-3 On Gandvik’s VKontakte page, one can see some of the posters they have put out that advertise some of the various thematic parties at Gandvik. On 20 February 2016, not too long after the date of the alleged brawl with the refugees, Gandvik had a military themed party:

It was billed as “самая мужская ночь в году!”, the most manly or macho night of the year! I suppose the Russians could be sincerely celebrating their manliness and martial spirit, but truth told, the whole thing has a rather tongue-in-cheek or even campy feel about it.

“Look, this just goes to show that you don’t get it, Revusky. You never do. You see, when you’re as manly as these Russian dudes are, you can kid around about it, it’s no big deal.”

Uh yeah… okay…”

So, what else? It’s 200 Rubles (currently about $3.35 USD) cover charge but girls get in for free before midnight.

Revuski-1-4 The week before that they had a “Love Party” with a Valentine’s Day theme.

It’s striking how much English the Gandvik club puts on their posters, in a place where most ordinary people would not really know that much English, would they? That’s hardly unique to Russia, of course. Doubtless, people the world over think that using English gives off an impression of cosmopolitan sophistication.

“What you don’t understand, Revusky, is that inside every one of those Russky bastards, there’s an American trying to get out!”

Oh, maybe that’s it…”

Again, at the bottom, it says 200 Rubles entry, which must be the standard cover charge, and girls get in free until midnight. (That information, like anything they really want their customers to understand, is in Russian.)

The Love Party that coincides with Valentine’s Day seems to be a yearly event. One of the photo albums on their Vkontakte site is devoted to the 2014 edition. The scenes are pretty mundane. Here are some of these Russians gettin’ down on the dance floor:

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Photos like this look rather unexceptional and could just be a photo of young people having a good time anywhere in Europe. (Of course, that is because it was taken earlier in the evening, before the bar’s regular patrons all transform into vampires.)

You know, looking at this, I couldn’t help but think that if these people had just a bit of Negro genetic admixture, they might have some better dance moves.

“Ha! You like takin’ chances, dontcha, Revusky?”

“Oh, never mind, I just said that to see if you were still awake…”

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I can only imagine what Polyarnye Zori was like in Soviet times, but nowadays it does not seem to be a particularly prudish place. Gandvik sometimes has some rather raunchier themed parties. For example, they seem to have held a Playboy themed party in which girls played at being Playboy bunnies.

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So there you have it. I trust that the White Nationalists reading this all have a lump in their throat by now. It is surely instructive to take a more up-close look at the scene of the events. We really see what is at stake. If not for those manly menfolk who defended their women’s honor against those marauding Muslim maniacs….

“Proud WHITE men, dammit! Defending the very flower of white womanhood!”
“Exactly! Facing down those stinking swarthy savages…”

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In this photo taken at the same event, we see some of the men in the background. Surely they are among those chivalrous men who defended their women’s virtue against those who would have defiled, degraded, and dishonored them.

“Uhh, aren’t you laying it on a bit thick now, Revusky? What’s next? Bayoneting Belgian babies?”

“Hey, this is MY article! Why don’t you write your own damned article?!”

The World in Front of One’s Nose

To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.

George Orwell, 1946

Increasingly, the entire world is in front of one’s nose.

Jonathan Revusky, 2017

I think everybody knows what I mean here. The convergence of various technological developments – video cameras in everybody’s pocket, mobile internet, social media… – has created a situation where one can see much of the world as if it was in front of one’s nose. I am hardly convinced that this is an unambiguously good thing, but, like any phenomenon, it does have its good side: it can be a very powerful tool in terms of helping one see through bullshit.

You will recall the miracle of the multiplication of the Muslims. (Praise the Lawd!) First they say five (or up to five) Muslims got beaten up and then it somehow jumps to 51. That, in itself, is telling, but consider the fact that it is so easy to find photographs of the place where this allegedly occurred. Now, I find it hard to precisely judge the size of the premises from the photos, because most of the photos on social media focus on the people and don’t pan out to the entire establishment. However, my sense of things, judging from the photos, is that 51 Arabs do not fit in Gandvik nightclub.

Or maybe they do, just barely. I asked a few people to look at various photos and tell me what the maximum capacity of the place is, just guessing roughly. I think the consensus is that fifty is about the upper bound. So, maybe 51 Arabs fit in Gandvik nightclub but there wouldn’t be any space left for anybody else! And then the problem is that, for the entire incident to occur, at least after the miracle of the multiplication of the Muslims (Hallelujah!) you need your 51 Arabs, probably at least as many manly Russian men, and then you also need some of the flower of white womanhood in there to get their pussies grabbed or whatever, and set off the whole incident. So you need well over 100 people in there. Judging from the available photos of Gandvik nightclub. I suspect that the place would most likely end up looking like this:

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I mean to say, it stands to reason that the people who effected the miracle of the multiplication of the Muslims (Allahu Akhbar!) never looked at a photo of where this allegedly happened. Of course, the local cops knew the place intimately, but they were checking out a story in which five (or really, up to five) people got beaten up. If somebody had called them anonymously and said that 51 Arabs were beaten up in this place, the cops, who regularly visit the place, would probably just laugh, because they know that 51 Arabs don’t fit in the place, and furthermore, would also know, from hotel registrations, exactly how many Arabs were currently in the town. It seems highly unlikely that there were even 51 Arabs in Polyarnye Zori in late January!

On the other hand, the original story of five Arabs getting beaten up, from their point of view, could have been true. So they did have to go investigate it.

The important lesson here is not about this event (or non-event) specifically. You see, the world being effectively in front of one’s nose is a game changer. If this were 1987, say, and they told us that 500 Arabs were in Gandvik nightclub, we could even believe that! A few of us might suspect that it is nonsense, but we would still be unable to decisively debunk the story as we can now – instantly, with a quick image search on the internet.

So, the world has changed and this has very real implications that we must ponder. Moreover, the world has changed but the modus operandi of the people behind these synthetic events and narratives has not changed very much; it is still very 20th century, based on 20th century assumptions about people’s access to information. There is a real disturbance in the Matrix and it will be very interesting to see how this plays out over the coming years.

The Culture of Bullshit

The bullshitter (…) does not reject the authority of the truth, as the liar does, and oppose himself to it. He pays no attention to it at all. By virtue of this, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.

Professor Harry Frankfurt, from “On Bullshit”

In 2005, a surprise bestseller was “On Bullshit”, by Professor Harry Frankfurt, of the philosophy department of Princeton University. It was actually the republication in book form of an essay he had written in 1986, an attempt to explore the phenomenon of “bullshit” in a more rigorous, intellectual way than is customary. The book lasted 27 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list and the author had his Warholian fifteen minutes of fame, being interviewed on Jon Stewart’s Daily Show. Clearly, it did strike some nerve; people had a sense that bullshit was an important topic. Only some people, I suppose. It only takes a small percentage of the population to turn a book into a bestseller; after all, most people do not even read any books at all. Like the proverbial frog that never realizes that it is being boiled alive because the change is gradual, most people would also not realize that their entire society is being gradually smothered in bullshit.

If all of the articles I have published on this website were bundled together in book form, “On Bullshit” would also be an appropriate title. The concepts introduced in these essays all revolve around bullshit. I coined the term High IQ Idiot, HIQI, to refer to the people who, regardless of how high an IQ they possess, are just incapable of seeing through all the bullshit that pervades society. Terms such as “synthetic narrative” or “Roger Rabbit narrative” could, for the most part, be replaced by “bullshit” with little to no loss of meaning. Taboo-Induced tortuous theorizing, or TITT for short, is a certain kind of bullshit, that comes into existence because the correct explanation is a taboo.

Now, in my honest opinion, the Frankfurt book leaves quite a bit to be desired. It is too ivory tower; the author does not really get his hands dirty in the topic. He never does, for example, what I have done here and in some earlier writing, which is to take one concrete piece of horrendous bullshit and carefully analyze it; his writing always stays at a rather abstract level. However, he does make an interesting distinction, between lying and bullshitting. To lie is to know the truth but, for the sake of expediency (or occasionally just for the sheer pleasure of it) to say something other than the truth. To bullshit involves an indifference to truth itself. The good professor goes on to argue that bullshitting is ultimately more insidious, more harmful to society, than lying.

Professor Frankfurt wrote a follow-up book in 2006, entitled “On Truth”, that did not replicate the success of “On Bullshit”. I did not read that, but according to the various reviews, it makes a careful academic philosophical sort of argument for why the truth matters – or in effect, why our society should really try to do something about all the pervasive bullshit. He apparently even says that the disregard for objective truth (i.e. the culture of bullshit) has a tendency to drive people insane.

Fellas, I plead with you. You’re going too far. It’s getting dangerous. All of the bullshit is finally making the goyim meshuga! Oy vey!

My sense of things is that what is noteworthy about this second book is probably not so much anything it says, but that the author feels a need to write it in the first place. In a sane, healthy society, do people really need high-powered philosophical arguments to convince them that the truth matters? Do the local cops in Polyarnye Zori up in the Russian Arctic need some Princeton guy to explain to them why it is important to establish whether the brawl in the nightclub really occurred? I think not. Surely, in a healthy society, that the objective truth matters is axiomatic.

Now, getting back to Harry Frankfurt’s distinction between lying and bullshitting, finally my sense is that the distinction is interesting but also can be blurry in some cases. The story of the brawl in the Russian Arctic begins with people lying. At the very origins of the whole thing, there are people who know perfectly well that it never happened who get the story going. However, after that, when the story goes viral, most of the people propagating the story are not really lying so much as bullshitting. For example, when the Daily Caller reports the event happening in the city of Murmansk, when the original story is a much smaller town in the Murmansk region, this is symptomatic of a culture of bullshitting. It is so easy to get details like this right nowadays, that when they get it wrong, and it is never corrected, it tells you something about the culture from which this whole thing emerges. It is a culture in which there are no particular consequences or stigma to getting very basic things wrong.

Of course, if these people had a culture of being careful about facts, they would have done enough minimal checking to realize that the story wasn’t true in the first place. This is especially true of sites like Russia Insider or Fort Russ, where a large part of the staff are Russians or know Russian. I think the thing to take away from this is that the lying is enabled by the bullshitting. A liar consciously puts out a lie and then all the bullshitters propagate it because of their indifference to factual truth, the culture of bullshit. Otherwise, the lie would be stopped quickly in its tracks.

Towards a Taxonomy of Bullshit

So what begins as a deliberate lie becomes propagated and morphs into bullshit. To be more precise, it becomes first-order bullshit. What then happens, at least sometimes, is that this then spawns higher-order bullshit. Here is a concrete example. The website Russia Insider echoed the fake news story about the Grand Battle of Murmansk on 7 February 2016 and we see at the top of the article now:

For an excellent, thought-provoking essay on this issue, see our article which appeared a few days after this one: Russians Bewildered by Cologne Rapes: ‘Where Were the German Men?!’

This linked article, contrasting the behavior of the manly Russian men in Gandvik nightclub with the girlie men in Cologne, Germany, was written by one Alexander Maistrovoy, a Russian Jewish émigré author. I believe he is a Zionist Jew who currently resides in Israel, but grew up in Russia and would thus speak Russian as his first language. In this article, Mr. Maistrovoy informs us that “postmodern cultural totalitarianism has changed the very nature of man”. (Wow! That’s some profound shit!) Of course, he means in the West, not in Mother Russia, where the men are still men, as evidenced by this Glorious Battle of Murmansk.

Well, since the event in question simply never happened, i.e. is bullshit, that means that any such grand philosophical/cultural analysis of said event is also necessarily bullshit. However, it is a different sort of bullshit. If, as per Professor Frankfurt, we’re going to get serious about understanding bullshit, it looks like we need a whole taxonomy. The original fake news story, we could say that is first-order bullshit, while something like Mr. Maistrovoy’s analysis of how “postmodern cultural totalitarianism” is altering the “very nature of man” – this is derivative or higher-order bullshit, which is what you end up with when you build a whole analysis based on bullshit fake news events.

This is bullshitting with more intellectual pretensions. I suppose you could say that the people who engage in this, sometimes even making a life’s work of it, are higher up on the food chain of the bullshit ecosystem, but it’s all part of a whole, this overall culture of bullshit.

Ron Unz is a Prophet and a Man of God

An interesting thought occurred to me recently about miracles. The supernatural events in sacred writings, like the Bible, all occur in a far-off mythical past. Suppose you were to create a new synthetic religion based on events that (supposedly) occurred very recently. Just for fun, we could say this religion, Unzianity, claims that Ron Unz shook a stick and the sea parted. And this happened, not in ancient times, but some time last year, let’s say. It occurred to me that this new religion would effectively be demanding belief in, not one, but two miracles:

  1. The event itself, the parting of the sea in this case.
  2. That absolutely nobody managed to get it on camera!

I suppose the first miracle is still the higher order one, since it involves a suspension of the laws of physics. However, the second miracle is also quite a tall order in itself. Surely it is impossible, to all intents and purposes, for an extraordinary event of such a scale to occur in the current-day world without people whipping out their smartphones and photographing it or catching it on video. In turn, many would upload the photos and video to Facebook or their blogs…

Well, truth be told, people don’t exactly need Ron Unz to part the sea or any other such earthshattering event, in order to whip out their cameras and take a selfie. They post pictures of any mundane scene – birthday parties, baby pictures, a successfully baked chocolate cake… Not everybody does this, of course, but there are enough people recording every banal detail of their lives that there is a vast photographic record of all sorts of things, and an awful lot of it is publicly visible. So there is nothing extraordinary about my ability to dig up photos of young people partying in Gandvik nightclub. In fact, it would be very surprising if one could not do so. Heck, it might even be a latter-day miracle!

Revusky’s Razor

Above, I made a point of analyzing to death the fake news story in the Russian Arctic. To be clear, it’s not that this story, in itself, is so important as to deserve this level of attention. In practice, we are so inundated with this kind of bullshit that it is not feasible to devote this level of detailed attention to each one. The point of analyzing one very deeply is that we can really use it as a launching point to discuss more general concepts.

Moreover, I don’t think an astute person should need this level of analysis to classify this as a synthetic event. There are really two dead giveaways right from the start:

  • The cartoonish nature of the whole thing.
  • The complete lack of any visuals, i.e. photographic or video evidence.

Using terminology from earlier articles, the whole thing is an RRN, a Roger Rabbit narrative. The Arabs who can’t keep their hands off the local girls and the manly Russian men are all cartoon characters. The violence in the story is cartoon violence. I found it a bit disturbing that we are invited to chuckle at the story of 18 men being beaten so badly they are hospitalized. In a sane world, that is no laughing matter. One could get indignant about this, but then, on the other hand, once you think that it’s really just cartoon characters, why get worked up? After all, we know that none of this ever happened.

A person with a sufficiently high BDQ (Bullshit Detection Quotient) can sense that this is a cartoon, but if all you’ve got is IQ but practically no BDQ – i.e. unfortunately, you are a HIQI – then you need something else to see through it. And that is the second point above, the complete lack of visuals. Do you really think that 51 lecherous Arabs and an equal number of chivalrous Russian men, over a hundred people, can get in a broken down fight like this and absolutely nobody takes a photo or films it? People take photos and film one another blowing out the candles on a birthday cake and nobody is going to film this? C’mon.

In any case, if our goal is to kill Roger Rabbit, I think we have the perfect murder weapon.

Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

There are caveats, but they should be fairly obvious. This only applies to fairly recent events, the last so many years. We have only recently reached the point where just about everybody has a digital video camera in his or her pocket, typically in the form of a smartphone. Also, the penetration of the various electronic gadgets has not been uniform. Obviously, people had them in the richer countries earlier. But my sense is that, when it comes to very recent events, the last couple of years, Revusky’s Razor applies pretty strongly just about anywhere. A friend of mine married a lady from Ethiopia and it came up in conversation that all her relatives in Ethiopia have smartphones and send her photos on WhatsApp and so forth. I initially inferred that her family were all part of the privileged class of people in Ethiopia, but no, not at all. Some of her family are poor people, living in shacks more or less. Yet they still can whip out their Chinese-made knock-off smartphones and take photos or even half-decent video! It really has reached this point.

I initially thought that Revusky’s Razor was just a corollary of Ockham’s Razor, as in: the simplest explanation of the lack of visuals is always going to be that the event never happened. So, by Ockham, that will be the preferred explanation. But actually, I’m going further than Ockham in this case. I’m not saying that the event not having happened is the simpler explanation and thus preferable. No, I’m saying that, at the current stage of history, it is the only explanation.

In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t.

Bullshit is Bipartisan

When I wrote my first contribution to the Unz Review, in which I defined the term HIQI, i.e. High IQ Idiot, Barack Obama was still President. Though I never really thought that HIQI-ness was a left-right issue, probably at that time, my own mental image of the archetypal HIQI would have been a “progressive” Obama supporter. Here we were, after seven years of this disgusting puppet, this Wall Street shill, and these Obama fans were still talking like this was our President and so on. I remember writing private emails to various people, in which I ranted bitterly about this pathetic, desperate need to delude themselves that is so characteristic of left/progressive types.

Of course, as I write these lines, Obama has gone off to his golden (more like platinum…) retirement, and is now receiving his payoff for his 8 years of dedicated service to the banksters. We have a new president, Mr. Trump, and we can see the very same compulsive self-delusion, except now on the political right. This guy is our president, he’s working for us…

Upton Sinclair famously said: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” In other words, people become invested in believing whatever bullshit. He meant they become financially invested in it, i.e. their daily bread depends upon it; their very career is built on it. That is quite real, but I am sure it goes quite beyond that too. People, like in the case of the die-hard Obama supporters, become emotionally invested in whatever bullshit narrative.

I enjoy eating chocolate but I don’t need it the way an alcoholic needs a drink. Now, I could talk jokingly about craving chocolate and needing my “fix” but we know it’s nothing like the craving of a heroin junkie. By the same token, it isn’t just that these people believe whatever bullshit; they have a deep need to believe it. Increasingly, I perceive this as something that is somehow inculcated by society, system, Matrix, whatever you want to call it. This is the real essence of HIQI-ness.

I do not fully understand how all this works by any means, mind you, but it is surely a key phenomenon to understand if one wants to fathom this pervasive culture of bullshit. Somehow the propaganda system cultivates and then taps into this desperate need people have to delude themselves. I earlier mentioned Harry Frankfurt’s essay, “On Bullshit”. Doubtless, Professor Frankfurt is an intelligent man and his heart is in the right place, so he perceives the problem to a large extent. Still, as far as I can see, he does not possess anything like the analytical toolset needed to get very far with the topic.

A serious study of bullshit – bullshitology, if you will – would probably require an interdisciplinary approach, leveraging concepts and knowledge from various fields. There are very basic concepts in psychology, such as cognitive dissonance, that operate heavily. This relates to what George Orwell was getting at when he introduced the term doublethink in Nineteen Eighty-Four. Also, projection: people can be acutely aware of their own faults when they are manifested in other people, yet do not see it in themselves. So, a very prominent liberal/progressive figure like Michael Moore, and his followers, can see (accurately) right-wing Republican bullshit for what it is. Likewise, those very same right-wing Republicans also perceive (accurately) that Michael Moore is largely full of shit. However, neither side of the (largely synthetic) political divide perceives themselves as compulsive, chronic bullshitters. Of course not, that’s always the other side.

Continually, there is the false dichotomy that if you don’t believe whatever bullshit from one side, that you must therefore believe the other side’s bullshit. So, for example, when I make no bones about the fact that the MRA narrative is total bullshit, i.e. there is no Muslim Rape Army, I anticipate that people will then simply assume that I believe in “multiculturalism” and “diversity” and so on. No, not really. In fact, I am somebody who is increasingly sympathetic to the ethno-nationalist position. Certainly, I believe it would be greatly preferable if countries in Europe remain demographically dominated by their founding peoples. I also have little doubt that the left/progressive Germans who are so welcoming of mass immigration are vastly underestimating the cost that it will impose on German society.

While the left progressives are (as usual) deluding themselves, the hysterical, apocalyptic rhetoric of some of the ethno-nationalists is probably even more unhinged from objective reality. Countries like Germany or Sweden are in no real danger of becoming Somalia and I think sane people really know that, so the over-the-top rhetoric probably is counter-productive. The people engaging in that come across as cranks – I suppose that’s mostly because that is what they are.

I sympathize with the ethno-nationalist viewpoint, but the case has to be made honestly. It is simply too self-evident that the MRA is a deranged racist fantasy. I am quite certain that nothing happened in Cologne and there is no Muslim Rape Army. Again, if something had happened, we would have the visuals. And we don’t. It’s that simple.

It’s really a shame. If we didn’t have this culture of pervasive bullshit, the immigration issue could be discussed rationally – discarding all the PC shibboleths, but also without resorting to toxic nonsense about non-existent Muslim rape armies.

What is to be Done?

Imagine there’s no bullshit… ♫
It’s easy if you try… ♫

A lot of political activism is based on the idea that if you could get the other side to stop believing in their bullshit and believe in your bullshit, that the world could then become a much better place. So, the left-wing activist thinks: if only the right-wingers would stop believing in their horrendous right-wing bullshit, and the right-winger reasons the same way in reverse. Increasingly, I tend to think that this is hopeless: my sense is that the only path of meaningful change would be for both sides to stop believing in ALL of the bullshit!

Another way of expressing this is that what is needed is not for the right-wing HIQI to move towards the left and become a more left-wing HIQI, or vice versa. No, what is needed is for people to stop being HIQIs!

At the roots of Western civilization, we have this thing called the Athenian dialectic, which is the idea that opposing viewpoints can meet and debate and, by this process, you converge towards the truth. Our legal system seems to be based on this, which is why we have the prosecution and the defense in a trial and so on. I assume that the two-party “democratic” system is based on the same sort of theory. However, I am quite certain that this theory of the dialectic is based, just for starters, on the assumption that both sides are intellectually honest!

Now, frankly, I don’t see any guarantee that the Athenian dialectic always works even under ideal conditions, but for the life of me, I cannot figure out any rational reason to believe that it can work in a culture of bullshit! In fact, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t. Just as two wrongs do not make a right, confronting left-wing bullshit with right-wing bullshit does not, by some sort of alchemy, produce truth, or sound public policy either. No, you just end up with a huge stinking mass of bullshit. What you end up with is the Monty Python argument shop skit.

Now, as for my adaptation of the sappy John Lennon lyric above, no, it is not easy to imagine a world with no bullshit, no matter how hard you try. It seems to be part of the human condition. But it seems to me that the only real vector of improvement from the current dire straits we are in is to work towards a world with significantly less bullshit. More specifically, to counter the culture of bullshit, we need to foster an intellectual culture, or environment, that is much more bullshit-averse.

That, on its own, would not directly solve any concrete problem, but if we don’t address this very basic problem of all the bullshit, we’re pretty helpless. For example, the refugee crisis in Europe, as dramatic as the situation is, is still but a spillover effect from all these endless wars that have now destabilized a large swathe of the planet. I do not presume to understand fully why all this happened, but at least, I do now see more clearly how the the public justification of these wars was foisted off on the general public (i.e. all the HIQIs out there) by means of a series of synthetic events. Of course, one particularly spectacular synthetic event stands out, that of 9/11/2001, when the big overarching Global War on Terror propaganda narrative was rolled out for prime time. Many people are obsessed with 9/11 and one can hardly blame them, but the point still must be made that it is part of a larger whole.

In short, the whole mess was perpetrated or enabled by means of weaponized bullshit. If more and more people could see through all the various propaganda constructs, that would not get us out of the mess we are now in, but it would, for starters, drastically curtail the ability of the people who got us here to pull off any more of these things. And then we might even start being able to extricate ourselves. (Yes, I know that hope is a dangerous thing)

Sometimes it does look hopeless, but I think there is one thing that can give us, the rebels who want to resist the Empire, some hope. The hoaxsters and propagandists are actually in an ever weaker position because they do not have the visuals that correspond to their phony narratives. That was not so much of a problem in the last century, because they had much more control over information. There is now a kind of cottage industry, if you will, that has sprung up, of blogs and YouTube channels, and these people, whenever one of these bullshit things goes down, they carefully analyze the visuals or lack thereof. Now, as with anything, it is a mixed bag; there is not the filter of people having to get whatever professional qualifications to do this work. Independent researchers into these questions that the mainstream won’t touch are largely autodidacts, but many are nonetheless very competent, intelligent people. This is the case going way back, before the Internet, with the JFK research community and so forth. Regardless, these people are doing what a real independent professional media would be doing if our system really worked as advertised. (To be clear, I mean the ones who are for real. There are surely fakes who work for whatever Deep State faction who are posing as real, honest researchers, but who have a disinformation agenda. They may put out some truthful material but it will be laced with disinfo. So this is a very complex environment to navigate. All this problem also goes back to pre-Internet times.)

The basic defense strategy of the Empire is to try to smear all of the independent researchers as “conspiracy theorists”. That whole order of battle was formed way before the current generation of bloggers and youtubers. They put out this meme about half a century ago in the aftermath of the JFK assassination (and the other murky hits in the sixties, like RFK and MLK…) that anybody who looks into any of this is just a nutcase. And they have been pushing every lever possible, via Hollywood movies and everything else, to plant this idea in people’s minds: “Don’t listen to those people, they’re a bunch of conspiracy theorist whackos”. Surely nobody reading this needs to be told that, to be smeared as a “conspiracy theorist” is a death blow for the career of any of the presstitutes or the rest of the people working in the “intellectual industries”, who want to be considered “respectable”.

Revuski-1-10 So, on the one hand, you have a half century of brainwashing to deal with, when trying to deal with all the HIQIs, but the bullshitters still have one hell of a problem. Just recently, I came across this photo:

This is one of the visuals that was put out right after the alleged 3/22/2017 terrorist attack in London. On Westminster Bridge. I have shown this to various people, most of whom are not so political, and nobody believes that this is a real picture of a woman who was just run over by a double-decker bus. I certainly don’t think so. Granted, I don’t know what that should look like. I’m not a physician or a paramedic or first responder of any sort, but like, what is this? Like, where’s the blood?

There is nothing even that extraordinary about the above photo. You can go find endless examples that are comparable. When you examine these various events, you almost invariably see that they were running some sort of drill almost concurrently with the real event. Or just before. Is it rocket science to figure out that a primary purpose of these drills is so that they have some visuals that they can then pass off as being part of the “real” event? The problem is that careful (not even very careful) inspection typically reveals that there’s something fishy going on.

Once you overcome this endless conditioning of “Don’t listen to those crazy conspiracy whackos” you very quickly see that all of these things are laughably fake. It is a tough battle still, because there is all that brainwashing, there is the HIQI’s desperate need to delude himself, but on the other hand, the people behind this crap are asking you NOT to believe your “lying eyes”! A lot of this is a pure bluff. There is an orange clear as day and they are trying to tell you this is an apple! Once more and more people realize that the world is largely in front of their nose, and they just look, surely even given all the conditioning, many will come to see the extent of the deception. And this is a very, very big problem for the people behind all the fakery.

Some readers may be flabbergasted that I earlier made such an unqualified, categorical statement, that the event in Cologne that provoked so much discussion simply never happened. This would probably be because you find it inconceivable that anybody would attempt to pull off such an audacious hoax. Well, not only that they would attempt it but succeed! I can hardly blame you. I find it pretty hard to conceive of as well, I sometimes have to pinch myself, but people have to understand that there is no other conclusion that can be drawn. Just look at the space, or set of spaces, in which this is alleged to have occurred. Where were the hundreds of women sexually assaulted without anybody managing to get it on camera? Where? Tell me the spot. It’s not just the assaults themselves, but also the immediate aftermath. There should be scenes with females wandering about looking very distraught, sobbing, with torn clothes… And that should be caught on camera too! There is simply nothing.

What we currently have is a public intellectual culture in which there is simply no stigma or embarrassment attached to being duped by these hoaxes time and time again. It doesn’t matter if it’s the 57th time they find the suicide bomber’s passport in immaculate condition on the scene… Not only is there no stigma attached to being duped continually, it is de rigueur! The person who says all this fake crap is fake is smeared as an unserious person. This is largely the case even in the so-called alternative media, let alone the MSM.

We definitely need to develop a public intellectual culture in which being duped by hoaxes is shameful! Consider a relentless meritocracy like professional sports. It is very hard to perform consistently under pressure, so even a top player will occasionally miss a dead-easy shot, but it doesn’t happen very often and it is humiliating and costly for them when it does. A star player who starts dropping the ball too much will be benched and then eventually dropped from the team. In boxing, you f*** up and you get knocked out cold and I hear that’s pretty unpleasant.

In that sort of environment, you screw up too much and you can go from hero to zero pretty fast. That’s just how it works, how it has to work. I put it to people that this is also how a serious public intellectual culture that is bullshit-averse would have to work.

In this essay, I have not, mostly for tactical reasons, chosen to call out people by name. Obviously, I could have. Various prominent people who should know better fell for the Murmansk hoax. And the people who fell for the Cologne hoax (and then wrote higher-order bullshit on the subject) constitute a veritable Who’s Who of the alt-right ethno-nationalist commentariat. In the long run, though, there is just too much at stake here to be playing softball and trying to spare certain people’s ample egos. We are at a crucial stage in history and what is at stake here is reclaiming sanity, basic morality, and some kind of future for our children. And if that requires some people’s egos to be bruised, that ain’t much of a price to pay. The casualties of war are usually far worse.

If you’ve gotten this far, thank you for your attention. Now the time has come to roll the credits and play the closing theme music

Cryin’ won’t help ya, prayin’ won’t do ya no goo-oo-ood…♫
When da Muslim Rape Army comes to yer nay-bor-hoo-ood… ♫

(begin gradual fade-out….)

All last night, I sat in the Gasthaus and moaned….♫
When da Muslim Rape Army comes… I won’t have no home… ♫

(etcetera, etcetera…)

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  1. Ivy says:

    Useful and informative but next time edit down severely.

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  2. Thomm says:

    Women voted for this and will continue to vote for this.

    There is no reason to save women from the consequences of their own choices, which they are doubling down on.

    Let the whiteknights and twats bear the brunt.

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  3. Even outlets like The Guardian (hardly a bastion of alt-right commentary) acknowledged that rapes had happened in Cologne, and that this was not in quantitative terms a standard occurrence, and that Arabs/non-whites were overwhelming the accused by the victimized women. The number range of the attacks were certainly subject to variation and exaggeration, with tabloids alleging well over 1,000 rapes when the true number was under 500. However, 4 to 500 is far from a hoax.

    There’s plenty of other verifiable stories of exceptionally violent, exceptionally numerous, or unheard of sexual crimes committed by these ‘refugees’ published in papers from across the political spectrum.

    The real synthetic bullshit narrative here is because you found one instance where no refugee criminal behavour occurred, then it occurred nowhere.

    Of course we should not need rapes to justify banning what amounts to migratory colonization of our ethnic European homelands. The well behaved East Asians need to go back too. But to mobilize people, we need propaganda. Propaganda is the application of the question ‘What is to be done?’ to the recognition of a moral and political truth – we have a legitimate right to our homelands. Propaganda is designed to translate truth into emotional appeal, and from thence to political action. Thus, what matters if whether its true in general. Nobody thinks the parables of Christ are untrue simply because the particulars of the story were fictional.

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    acknowledged
     
    hahahahahahahahahaaaa thinking that any or all newspapers got any authority over facts. the problem with all media was and is that the readers can never tell which is real or fake(propaganda). this has been true since the invention of newspapers, radio, tv and internet. even a place like 4chan got taken over. that means any and all news can be taken over. it is just that some of us has finally woken up to this fact. even unz review can become a target for take over once it gets popular enough.
  4. utu says:

    I sympathize with the ethno-nationalist viewpoint, but the case has to be made honestly.

    Why? Why honesty is necessary for achieving goals?

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    J.R: "I sympathize with the ethno-nationalist viewpoint, but the case has to be made honestly."

    Utu to J.R : "Why? Why honesty is necessary for achieving goals?"

    Right. IOW, lying & bullshitting is ok, if it furthers one's goals... okay.

    Reading the above tells me all I need to know about you.

    It also makes your recent criticism of Stalinist propagandist, Andrei Martyanov/Smoothie, as well as Soviet media, ring very hollow.

    After all, "Why honesty is necessary for achieving goals?" :-)

    BTW, Martyanov is correct about Iran, you are wrong & too pig headed to concede a point.
  5. 11,300 words to make what appears to be a single and fairly minor point.

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    I was going to say, "Very much about very little", but you've said it better.
  6. Surprisingly sane article for Unz, since the typical response is not only to credit hysterical and malicious reports of “low-IQ Muzzie rape armies” but to assume that only a revival of the Third Reich can serve as a defence.
    Murmansk Oblast. Yes. Their idea of ethnic minorities there would probably be Karelians. And the lily-white, rather raunchy club looks like the sort of hick establishment you might find in a place where people are trying not to die of boredom in the Arctic wastes.

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    I know eh...Muslims are benign peace loving migrants who want to be Westernized. They don't rape, pillage or assault anyone....I want more Muslims!!!!

    Kill yourself!
  7. El Dato says:

    The GWOT narrative was certainly prefigured well in advance, but 9/11 was really when it was rolled out for prime time.

    Not sure about that.

    I don’t remember that it was prefigured, no-one knew about Bin Laden (sure, there was ship bombing in Yemen, Clinton cruise-missiling something, some towers in Malaysia that got bombed, but still). My impression of Afghanistan was that the Taliban were fighting against local warlords from time to time, and terrorism from the ME was not a big concern, except for Israel, who were behaving like fscking idiots as usual.

    Then the ball got rolling and Mr. Hussein suddenly got roped in heavily. But not with 9/11 but with the “Anthrax attacks” a bit later. That REALLY got the ball rolling, and evidence of administrative incompetence was quickly buried under Ricean shrieking.

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    I don’t remember that it was prefigured,
     
    Well, there was an earlier incident involving the bombing of the very same target, the WTC. In 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

    If that's not prefiguration, then what is? The narrative about cartoonists that culminated in the Charlie Hebdo thing was also prefigured well in advance with this strange synthetic event revolving around some cartoons in a Danish newspaper. Remember that?

    As for when they started introducing the Bin Laden bogeyman, it's true that most people had not heard of him until the day of 9/11, but then they were broadcasting his image immediately pretty much. Nonstop. But I think the real news junkies who follow all the stuff would have been presented with this particular villain character already. But I'm not sure when he was introduced to the public. One would have to look back.

    In any case, this is not a 9/11 article. I was just making the general point that, to carefully examine the timeline of these things is a natural starting point if you want to look at any of these synthetic narratives. That's all.

  8. I trust you will excuse me reading this only once. Of course I may have missed something but I am not sure why you dismiss the (up to) 5 Arabs version as decisively as you rightly dismiss the 50+ version. My long experience of the media suggests to me that there was very likely some altercation between some local soldiers and some ME looking men which neither the night club nor the army would want to acknowledge occurred, possibly starting with slightly drunk young soldiers taking exception to the way they perceived the dark skinned foreigners were looking at Russian girls. Have you ruled that out?

    From that point you (i mean any writer with copy to file or space to fill) have the beginnings of a story which hardly even reaches the dignity of the Bullshit which you (JR) explore at length. You have shrewdly pointed to the absence of pictures as a major item of negative evidence that appies also to Cologne (but what about Tahir Square in Cairo one might object in turn). And it is equally realistic to see the figireof 51 being chosen to give greater verisimilitude than and impression of accuracy than the round number. (Many people would remember filling in tax returns and expense claims with the same thought in mind). What might have informed your article even more realistically is life experience of just how fecklessly irresponsible even supposedly important professional journalists can be. Australia’s ABC has a weekly 20 minute program at 8.30pm called Media Watch in which regional and tabloid newspapers, mostly, but also commercial TV and talk back radio are shown up for shameless carelessness with facts and even inaccuracy in their plagiarism.

    My own certain knowledge can offer you the broadsheet’s principal parliamentary reporter who wrote of a shadow minister’s great gotcha moment about the government’s failure to disclose X and do anything about it, all in the course of the late night adjournment debate. Unfortunately he had written and filed the story given to him by the shadow minister before the adjournment debate and then gone home without waiting to hear it. He therefore missed the fact that the attack fell completely flat and made the opposition shadow minister look silly because the relevant govdrnment minister was able to point to the disclosure of X the previous week and the announcement of action taken shortly afterwards.

    Then, for another typical example, there was the case of a very senior minister being forced to resign by a conscientious MP having done careful homework and then reported his findings to the government leader. An inquiring chief political reporter was given his name but he deflected inquiry by saying that, in the Westminster tradition, the Chief Whip would have marshalled the relevant information and and gone with it to the leader of the government. So a lively positive account appeared in the leading broadsheet that Jack Smith, the Chief Whip (there wasn’t a whip actually known as the “Chief Whip” in that parliament) had done the homework and gone to the leader etc. I remember it well because I knew all the people concerned and remember the report two days later in which the paper apologised to Jack Smith, the government whip, for saying that he had done the whip’s job when he actually hadn’t stirred himself from a golfing weekend!

    I wouldn’t require all journalistic error which is not merely careless to be squeezed into the categories of lies and bullshit. It can be just irresponsible story telling to fill a column or for any number of reasons, like drawing attention to oneself, that don’t impinge on the fabulist’s conscience (maybe because writing a luridly exaggerated story of Aboriginal drunken behaviour or Muslims’ misogynistic behaviour doesn’t deem to the exaggerator to have any conseqiences despite serving to confirm prejudices. That probably makes them think that if that story isn’t precisely true well no doubt one they haven’t reported would be much the same and true enough).

    A thoughtprovoking piece on which you have obviously burned the midnight oil.

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    Of course I may have missed something but I am not sure why you dismiss the (up to) 5 Arabs version as decisively as you rightly dismiss the 50+ version.
     
    There is testimony from a couple of people, who were pretty clearly willing to be quoted by their full names, who said there were simply no Arabs in the club, i.e. ZERO. So the earlier version with 5 beaten up or the later version with 50 beaten up.... it doesn't matter really. There were no Arabs in the bar.

    The route up through the Arctic apparently costs about $5000 USD. These are not the dregs of society because the dregs don't have that kind of money. It's middle-class people desperate to get out. I came across other articles where people are quoted as saying that these people keep to themselves but in whatever interactions they have with the local people, they are very polite and cultured. These people never go into a bar there and start grabbing pussies. It's just a lie. It's not a question of being a Muslim lover or anything. The whole story is just a complete calumny from start to finish.


    You have shrewdly pointed to the absence of pictures as a major item of negative evidence that appies also to Cologne (but what about Tahir Square in Cairo one might object in turn).
     
    Well, uh, I'm a simple-minded guy. When I looked for proof of what they say happened in Cologne, I wanted visuals from Cologne, not from Cairo or from... Timbuktu. I figure that only photos from Cologne can prove something happened in Cologne. I have seen, at times, that you make some strange arguments, but I assumed even you knew that only photos taken in Cologne could be proof of whatever they say happened in Cologne, no?
  9. Is there a short version of this?

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    Is there a short version of this?
     
    Yes.

    The media is a huge source of lies. Question everything.
  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Man, I should have stopped reading when Revusky claimed that vibrants can’t exist in cold climates and clubs. Little did I know that by the end of the novella I’d be staring at the low IQ autism abyss.

    Some readers may be flabbergasted that I earlier made such an unqualified, categorical statement, that the event in Cologne that provoked so much discussion simply never happened.

    No shit, Sherlock. Do a web search for “cologne attacks convicted” and start freeing all those innocents with the strength of your BS detector awesomeness. You do need another hobby, after all.

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  11. El Dato says:

    Relevant:

    “Taharrush gamea” and the perils of reasoning from lexicon to culture

    which deconstructs an unjustified linking of a term to culture:

    “Taharrush gamea” and the perils of reasoning from lexicon to culture
    The media was strangely slow to report the shameful and horrible events of New Year’s Day in Cologne, in which organised groups of drunk youths, most of them born in North Africa, systematically surrounded women coming out of the train station in order to sexually harass them and steal their valuables. Once they finally noticed, however, it took over the headlines for days on end. Scrambling to respond, the police issued a long and bureaucratic report including the following:

    So liegen dem Bundeskriminalamt Erkenntnisse dazu vor, dass in arabischen Ländern ein Modus Operandi bekannt ist, der als “taharrush gamea (gemeinsame sexuelle Belästigung in Menschenmengen) bezeichnet wird. Darüber wurde z. B. anlässlich der ägyptischen Revolution von den Medien berichtet.
    [It is thus found by the Bundeskriminalamt that in Arab countries there is known a modus operandi called "taharrush gamea" (group sexual harassment in crowds). This was reported on, for example, by the media on the occasion of the Egyptian revolution. (Update: See comments for a more precise translation.)]

    The term as quoted there, misspelling and all, now gets over 116,000 hits on Google News. Most of these hits seem to take this somewhere the German police prudently did not go, leaping with shock or glee to the conclusion that, if Arabic has a name for this phenomenon, it must be deeply rooted in the Arab world indeed. Indeed, at least one prominent typologist who shall remain nameless followed in the same direction, blithely asserting that “there is nothing racist about saying that taharrush gamea (the Arabic term for the gang sexual assault of women) is an Arab custom, part of Arab culture”. A closer look at the data reveals that this hasty reasoning is not only incorrect, but results in a profound misunderstanding of the problem for which this name was coined.

    But it also links to the “long and bureaucratic report” at http://www.mik.nrw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Redakteure/Dokumente/Themen_und_Aufgaben/Schutz_und_Sicherheit/160111ssia/160111berichtmik.pdf about the Köln events (in german)

    Haven’t read it yet

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    which deconstructs an unjustified linking of a term to culture
     
    Except that it doesn't - at all.

    Taharrush was unknown in Europe until the Muslim garbage got introduced into the ecosystem. I'm not going to spontaneously decide to rape a woman in public - and even if I did, there's no way in hell I'd get my buddies and random onlookers to eagerly join in. This is clearly "cultural".



    The Arabic gang-rape 'Taharrush' phenomenon which sees women surrounded by groups of men in crowds and sexually assaulted... and has now spread to Europe

    http://archive.is/8aKy5
  12. The Scalpel says: • Website

    Nice argument, but hopeless. But I like your “I love ya, tomorrow!” optimism. I mean, it isn’t as if there is no video evidence of the WTC 7 collapse being “bullshit”. No, you said it yourself. People in general have an innate, likely genetic, need to believe the bullshit. This genetic flaw is so pervasive, that those who seek the objective truth will always be in the minority. It is so oppresive that outside of inellectual niches like physics (and even these are affected) truthseekers will forever be shunned and shouted down.

    Ironically, when the end comes, it will be because the HIQI’s abused the tools given to them by the truthseekers. So, in effect, the truthseekers will bring about their own demise through their ceaseless and hopeless efforts to enlighten the greater mass of bullshit eaters.

    I am beginning to realize that the best course of action is to move to a shack in the woods by a pond and learn to take pleasure in the beauty of nature and of existence as long as one can, and don’t bother writing a book about it. Alternatively, one could take pleasure in tilting at windmills and trying to change the genetic code of bullshit eaters through rhetoric.

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  13. Hubbub says:

    “Now, let me see…If I write a really, really long article about bullsh*t, will anyone read it? Why, that’s bullsh*t to think so!”

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  14. “Somehow hundreds of young women were sexually assaulted in a wide open public space without anybody getting any clear video or photos of it.”

    I stopped reading there. There are tens of photos, videos and witness testimonies of the Cologne attack, despite the authorities trying to keep it under lid.

    Why is this poor excuse for a worthless piece of shit (the piece of shit is better because it just sits there) writing for UNZ?

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    I stopped reading there. There are tens of photos, videos and witness testimonies of the Cologne attack, despite the authorities trying to keep it under lid.
     
    Okay, well, the normal thing to do would be to ask you to produce some of these photos or videos, or give us a link to them. I'm going to skip that intermediate step because I know you're just bullshitting. I've investigated this fully and know that the are no photos or videos.

    Sometimes, you find something where they say they have something and it's just more bullshit. Especially if you watch the video with the sound off (so they can't snow you with sound effects) you just see there's nothing that shows what they say happened. Nothing.

    As for witness testimonies, there is a segment of the population that will say anything for a few bucks. There's one girl who said she was raped and it was horrible and blah blah.... that skank wasn't even in Cologne at the time, like was hundreds of miles away, and later admitted it.

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    Woman says she was gang-raped, got pregnant, had an abortion blah blah, is traumatized, needs help, oy vey, but she wasn't even in Cologne on the day in question. Just bullshit.

    You see, this stuff eventually comes out, and somehow people like you manage never to know it. And then you are here claiming that photos exist without providing any link...

    The whole thing is just a cartoon. If you look into it in any serious manner, you see that it just never happened.
  15. I actually finished this superb piece of work, and in it I detect no bullshit and only one flaw.

    The flaw is that you did not consult the King of Bullshitology, me!

    Jacques Sheete, BsD, is the world’s foremost authority on the subject, hence the name, and that’s no B.S.. As proof, how many people have you ever heard of who can wax authoritatively on the god of manure piles, Sterquilinus, and the goddess of sewers, Cloacina? Unfortunately I have no pictures to prove it, but you can always ask me.

    It’s all BS, folks, and that’s no sheete, so as the author suggests, just say “no” to BS and quit believing it.

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  16. unit472 says:

    Sorry I wasted my time perusing this but at least I did not waste even more time writing it. That said, the Russian/Norwegian border is a well used entry point for Muslim vagrants seeking a way into Europe. Due to some local quirks in the law you can cross into Norway via bicycle ( but not motor vehicle) and file an asylum claim or so ‘news stories’ have reported. Toss into the mixture translation difficulties, a controlled Russian media and something like what was reported may well have occurred though maybe not in January.

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  17. Randal says:

    Lots of good stuff in here, though from my point of view it’s a case of pointing the guns in the wrong direction. (The philosophical/tactical question of whether the anti-mass migration cause is better served by strict honesty or by the use of “bullshit” in response to the progressives’ prolific prior use of it to get us where we are is touched on in the piece but not really resolved, imo.)

    I’ve always just automatically dismissed “muslim rape army” stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media. I clearly recall (though I haven’t dug into it as forensically as you do with the Murmansk story here) that the Cologne stuff was not based on nothing, but upon initial reports of several women being harassed (I don’t recall whether there were any actual rapes), and the story expanded from there, especially in response to attempts by the left and the mainstream media to cover it up. These were exactly the kinds of low level migrant/minority harassments all of us who live in western cities will be familiar with, and the honest amongst us will admit to. I’ve spoken to girls in my city who complain of personal, direct experience of low level harassment in muslim areas. It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing. The Rotherham stories were not nothing (I know Rotherham quite well, as it happens), even if they are often built up into something more than they are by those with an axe to grind. I recently read an interesting piece (in The National Interest, so obviously of questionable loyalties) from a woman linked apparently to some RAND ME program who claims to have worked very extensively with migrants, trying to argue the problem was primarily just with Afghan migrants (but implicitly admitting the existence of a problem).

    Does this kind of propaganda hyperbole help to whip up mass political support and is it a necessary counter to the other side’s lies and suppression of truth, or does it discredit the cause? That’s a hard question to answer imo – presumably it does both, but which does it do more? It’s all very well insisting on the fundamental importance of truth, but the fact is that the liars have been winning for decades.

    It is evident that there have been extremely powerful and well placed liars engaged in imposing mass immigration upon us for decades. It is also evident that there are very powerful and well placed liars trying to whip up anti-muslim feeling for various reasons (this was a favourite tactic of Israel’s partisans for a long time, and still is in many cases).

    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine? I don’t know, but if we don’t end mass immigration there will be no “us” (in the sense of the nations we have grown up with) to worry about the situation anyway.

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    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine?

    Very good question. History teaches us that if you want to mobilize masses you need to lie to them. If you want to turn regular into killers you have vilify and dehumanize the enemy.
    , @German_reader

    (I don’t recall whether there were any actual rapes)
     
    There were at least several confirmed digital rapes (that is with fingers); later media reports also mentioned a few cases in which actual intercourse had happened, though iirc that supposedly wasn't reported to the police at the time due to the victims being too traumatized.
    But it's beyond doubt that some very serious assaults happened in Cologne...and that the perpetrators will never be punished.
    Revusky in his article is really just using classic disinformation tactics of the sort commonly used by pro-immigrationist journalists: they focus all their attention on some ridiculous, irrelevant story (the supposed Murmanks riots in this case) that is easy to refute...and then claim there is nothing, nothing at all to reports about severe crimes committed by Muslim immigrants, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    I’ve always just automatically dismissed “muslim rape army” stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media.
     
    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?


    It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing.
     
    They are "not based on nothing". Double negative. So I parse that to mean that they "are based on something".

    Specifically Cologne. What is it based on? I cannot find the slightest bit of credible evidence that anything happened. And I tried. What is the evidence that anything happened?

    This is not a question of whether you want immigration or not, or any of that. I said in the article that my general sympathies were with the anti-immigration position. BUT something like this fantastical Cologne story is a straight factual issue.

    Why are there no visuals?

    Why is it that a local English teacher (from Ontario, Canada) walked through the area where supposedly all this was happening and SAW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    Why is that?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax? https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    How come, if you try to figure out even where specifically any of this happened, you fail? It really can't be visualized. Look at the space, or overall set of spaces, where it happened:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Tell me, where did all this raping take place? AND not any visuals? I tried my best to find the answer to these various questions and I ended up concluding that this was a hoax. I do not believe that there is any other conclusion that an intellectually honest person would draw.

    The Rotherham stories were not nothing
     
    Look, Rotherham is about a relatively small set of criminals of Pakistani descent in a completely different country. But that is an underage prostitution ring. I assume that all the sex in question occurred behind closed doors in seedy motels and so forth. And that is something that, unfortunately does happen. I have problem believing this.

    There would be a point of comparison if the Rotherham thing had happened right there in the middle of the nearest train station within clear view of hundreds of people. That is what is claimed with Cologne.

    The Cologne story is an entirely different thing. Just prima facie, this is a completely fantastical narrative. Gangs of Arabs just sexually assaulting women in a wide open public space with CCTV everywhere and everybody has a video camera in his pocket and there are ZERO visuals!

    The basic features of the Cologne story that make it so implausible are are not present with Rotherham. So I have no problem believing that Rotherham happened. It has very little to do with accepting refugees, since the people weren't even refugees. They were a reduced group of criminals who, yes, were of Pakistani background. It's a completely different narrative and this kind of intellectually squalid thing of saying that because Rotherham happened, that Cologne happened, conflating such two completely different things.

    But this is symptomatic of a culture of bullshit. Unfortunately, you're bullshitting. The tortuous double-negative sentences and so on are, I think, somewhat symptomatic of it.

    Anyway, the problem with Cologne is that any serious attempt to prove to oneself that anything happened just ends up in a total dead end. Nobody in any of this discussion thread has produced any evidence for it whatsoever. And I am quite confident that they never will. They just keep claiming that it was reported by the media so it must be true. If it was not reported by the media, it would still be true because the media was covering it up presumably. You have to recognize when people have built an unfalsifiable narrative, right? If the authorities say it happened, it happened, and if they say it didn't happen, it still happened, because the authorities are covering it up.... there is evidence, there are visuals, but the authorities aren't letting us see them.... Bullshit...

    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I've looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn't happen.
  18. Johnathan

    You forget to mention that the Rottherdam gang rapes never occured….and Lee Rigby never had his head hacked off by a muslim. Moreover, the photo of the obliterated body of the Swedish preteen girl was fake.

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  19. Beckow says:

    My grandma used to say ‘to fight with stupid, you also need to be stupid” – that explains the temptation of people outside of MSM to also exaggerate, lie, or bullshit. The word ‘bullshit’ is by the way a bad term for it, it coarsens the conversation, demeans it, and has unpredictable consequences when transmitted to other languages. One can see proud aspiring semi-English-literate compradors wearing shirts with “I am a bullshitter”. In Murmansk it would be a hit. (I sometimes wonder what it is like to live in countries where almost all T-Shirts are in a foreign language.)

    The article makes valid points, thanks for the analysis. But after ’100,000 dead in a Kosovo mine (or in a stadium, whatever it was)’, the whole ME mayhem with unlugged incubators and tubes from Niger, and Putin somehow convincing the sturdy people of Wisconsin that Hillary was a turd, how is this in the some category? And of course the enterprenurial Eritrean nuclear physicicts with cute families ‘reluctantly’ moving to Europe to save its pensions. How does one match those levels of mendacity?

    Yes – no cause is worth lying about reality. But it takes two to lie – the one who lies, and those willing to be lied to. The current balance is so one-sided, and the waves of glo-baloney nonsense so thick, that for some desperados to dream about a far-away Artic place where justice was served, seems a minor transgression. I guess it depends on whether one sees it all as an amusing game where outcomes don’t really matter, just about different shades of bullshit’, or as a serious inflection point in human history. And we are back to why being a bit stupid sometimes makes sense.

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  20. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Using Revusky’s razor, one may see how cartoonish Western values qualify as bullshit. People who missed Soviet system are not familiar with dialectical materialism. Author went a long way to taste some dialectic finally, but still floats among pieces of Western bullshit. The manly men of Russia now perceive modern West, mostly, as a deviation from evolution of human society. Normal Christian humanity goes through Ancient Greece – Rome – Eastern Roman Empire – Eternal Mother Russia (the Third Rome) pathway. We are the only rightful heirs to Antiquity and Keepers of the Christendom. What about westerners? We won’t miss you anymore if something happens to you.

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  21. Is Revusky Jewish?

    Save yourselves the task of reading this, I’ve summed it up in just a couple of sentences for you;

    “look stupid goyim, nothing to see here but I think I’ll write this incredibly long, dull, meandering and pedantic article to show you how smart I (we) am and how dumb you are”

    How many other similar tomes have been written by Jews i.e. Capital and The Authoritarian Personality for the same purpose?

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    Is Revusky Jewish?
     
    Yes and No. He doesn't identify as a Jew (although he has admitted to being 1/4 Jewish by ancestry, as well as being otherwise racially mixed). Strangely, he is also very pro-Holocaust revisionism.

    In short, he's just another kooky subversive of actual native European causes.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Das Kapital"

    Damn if this is not the maddening, nonsensical, conglomeration of lunacy ever produced on planet mirth, than I do not know what is.

    Marx was totally nuts, and the results of his rube-goldberg "Teachings" are still reverberating to this day, as the complete US edumacation system is populated by professor loonies who propagate this shiot, and as with the Kaiser's neue Kleidung, they are assuming that because this abberation is beyond their own comprehension, it THEREFORE must be valid and true.

    They are then pushing out thousands of newly ordained marxist SJWs, semester by semester, who will automatically support such demogogues as BC, HRC, BO, AG, GS, etc, etc etc.

    If the dilema of crazy-ass leftist marxist professors is not finally addressed there will be a total collapse of society, basta

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro ajzz artist.

  22. David says:

    This is the stupidest article I’ve read here at Unz.com that wasn’t written by a scrabble enthusiast.

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  23. Esteemed Mr. Revulsky:
    Can you kindly post 200 to 500 words synopsis (abstract) of your article above.
    Or may be some of participants of the discussion would do that.
    Reading your (Mr. R’s) previous articles on “Unz Review”
    I got very positive impression of your writings.

    Respectfully, I.f.f.U.

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    My professor of the history of modern philosophy (roughly Descartes to Kant) required students to write no more than 200 words about any particular concept. It is surprisingly difficult to write a cogent essay of 200 words unless you have an excellent grasp of the materials.
    Here we have 11,000+ words. One is tempted to apply Ockham's razor to conclude that more blather indicates less insight. I was willing to credit the "pictures or it didn't happen" argument; but to then push the line that pictures are routinely faked or doctored undercuts it.
    The author used too many words to beat this donkey into doing more than he was willing or able. Sad.
  24. Kirt says:

    It’s rare that I force myself to read an essay this long, but the effort was well rewarded even though I had never heard of the alleged incident to begin with. Now can someone apply this to Orlando and Newton, two events which are widely alleged to either not have occurred or been staged? I’m inclined to believe that both took place, but I’ll listen to evidence to the contrary.

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  25. Smoggins hit the nail on the head. I do not blame all Jews for the actions of others (Ron Unz is Jewish and a great American patriot) but it is silly to dismiss the obvious and widespread Jewish hostility to the West, Europe, and white people in general. The author of this nonsense is obviously a Jew, and probably one of Russian origins who hates Russia more than crazy John McCain does. In their minds a Cossack lurks under every bed. The simple truth is that the rape of non-Muslim women is a well-established tradition in Islam and the arrival of these so-called “refugees” has caused an epidemic of rape and other sexual assaults. Anybody who denies this – like the author of this bilge – clearly has an agenda. I am sorry to see the Unz Review giving space to this sick, perverted nut.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    Well said.

    The agenda as always is to flood Europe with more Islamists: "Nothing happened. Bring in more Islamists. It is quite safe."
    The agenda is erasure of nation-states and erasure of nationalities: no more Germans, or French, or Italians,.....one large unrecognizable blob.
    The agenda is de-Christianization of Europe and the West ...whatever is left of Christianity after decades of relentless assaults by Globalists.

    The article is a classic magician's trick: while the right hand misdirects with some shiny object, the left lifts your wallet.
    , @ussr andy

    The author of this nonsense is obviously a Jew,
     
    nope, not obvious at all. He's a bit to preoccupied with Muzzie apologism. I mean there are sh*tlib Jews who defend Muslims for SJW reasons, but for this guy it's clearly something personal. And, of course, the whole ZOG and Holocaust denialism stuff is pretty mainstream in the Muslim world.

    A second David Cole who also, for some reason, happens to love Muslims veddy veddy much? Nah, probably not.

    , @pensword
    The simple truth is that the rape of non-Muslim women is a well-established tradition in Islam

    Liar.
  26. Joe Hide says:

    Over 11,000 words to introduce derogatory terms like “Bullshit” this and “Bullshit” that on opposite views? When I saw the 11,000 plus words at the top of the page I immediately thought “Bullshit artist” but was polite enough to suppress that thought in my head to, “I should read his article to give him the benefit of a doubt.” That said, he did have some logical insights involving reasoning from evidence…

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  27. Jason Liu says:

    “The Outsiders are criminals” is a standard line of rhetoric used all over the world to justify ethnic homogeneity. You hear the same thing in China, Japan, South Africa, everywhere. It’s not supposed to be taken literally (by intelligent analysts, anyway). Even if Muslims weren’t associated with rape/sharia/acid attacks/whatever, ethnic nationalists would still find some fault with them to use as excuse to reject them.

    It would be clearer and more ideologically effective to simply be honest: “I don’t want these people here because I want to live in a relatively homogeneous society. Whether or not the Outsider has negative/criminal traits is irrelevant.”

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    • Replies: @Randal

    It would be clearer and more ideologically effective to simply be honest: “I don’t want these people here because I want to live in a relatively homogeneous society. Whether or not the Outsider has negative/criminal traits is irrelevant.”
     
    That's an implausible assertion that needs support, imo.

    From my point of view, I would certainly endorse your suggested statement (a relatively homogeneous society is certainly preferable to the alternative, imo). But the assertion that confining the political argument to just that would be as effective as utilising the power of the "outsider as criminal etc" trope (which also of course has the advantage of often being substantially true) seems highly questionable to me.

    It's a bit like criticising weaker peoples for resorting to "terrorism" in the face of overwhelmingly superior force. How dare those Palestinians not line up in smart red uniformed lines, to be mown down by US-subsidised Israeli high tech weaponry?

    What is the benefit to being ideologically pure if you no longer exist as a sovereign nation?
    , @Chris Bridges
    Mr. Liu's comment is laughable. Nobody complains about Chinese or Polish rapidts, do they? The ugly truth - which he will not admit - is that Muslims view non-Muslim women as human garbage and fit subjects for rape. I am vastly amused by the ifea of a Chinese snorting at the idea of people "wanting to live" with their own kind.
    , @Chris Bridges
    Mr. Liu's comment is laughable. Nobody complains about Chinese or Polish rapidts, do they? The ugly truth - which he will not admit - is that Muslims view non-Muslim women as human garbage and fit subjects for rape. I am vastly amused by the ifea of a Chinese snorting at the idea of people "wanting to live" with their own kind.
    , @utu
    It would be clearer and more ideologically effective to simply be honest: “I don’t want these people here because I want to live in a relatively homogeneous society. Whether or not the Outsider has negative/criminal traits is irrelevant.”

    I agree. It is interesting that people are afraid to talk in favor of homogeneity itself and always have to bring up other issue like too low IQ or too high IQ or tendency to be a rapist..

    Swedes for several generations were propagandized that homogeneity is bad itself for genetic reasons. I think, we know who was doing the propaganda.
  28. When I first started visiting the US internet about a dozen years ago, I was shocked by the innumerable inaccuracies concerning Europe. I’ve lived in the US and I know that Americans are woefully ignorant of all things European, so I would politely blog authors pointing out their error. Then, a few months later, the same author would trot out the same misinformation. At that point, I realised that I was dealing with propaganda and disinformation and, as the saying goes, I haven’t looked back since. What I also noticed was that, regardless of the professed ideology of the site, the “party line” always seemed to be the same, the message was merely dressed up in whatever jargon was appropriate to the professed dieology. Example: the rightwing sites would say that the EU had to be destroyed because it was a hotbed of socialism whereas the leftwing sites would say that the EU has to be destroyed bercause it was a hotbed of capitalism! Then there were the “nonentity authors”: “Joe Smith is an activist from Iowa”. And the undisclosed pseudonyms, whether used by one person or several, often identifiable by their odd-sounding biographies. And the sites that were wholly anonymous. And the authors who, when you blogged them, were manifestly unfamiliar with the contents of the articles they were supposed to have written. And, of course, the completey fake stories of the kind Mr Revusky refers to.
    In addition, it is very difficult to identify who actually owns, or more importantly, finances, a website (as distinct from the domain name it uses). Some sites have fund-raising drives, as if they were “user-funded” and tells us that it they don’t raise $X by tomorrow, the site will shut down. They do that year after year but the site never does shut down! Some mysterious (and anonymous!) moneybags always pops up at the last minute to save the day!
    To a very great extent, the American internet has become one enormous fraud and since that is screamingly obvious, it has lost all credibility. The only point of visiting internet sites is to see what propaganda line we are being fed and work out from that what truth they are trying to divert our attention away from! That’s why stories like the Murmansk story no longer “sell”.

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    To a very great extent, the American internet has become one enormous fraud and since that is screamingly obvious, it has lost all credibility.

    Exactly my feelings.
  29. I think Revusky called Muslim violence and rape in Europe psy-ops and lies in the past. The problem exists, whether any on either side of the issue is completely honest in its reporting. FWIW, I’d take the reports of alt-right types over mainstream reports or leftists any day.

    Of course Muslims can commit violence in cold places. In this case the perp was a Somali.

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/oulu_police_describe_suspect_in_pub_hatchet_killings/7738055

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/oulu_pub_owner_refutes_claim_that_door_ban_was_axe_murderers_motive/7743494

    The way the police, media and politicians handle the following events makes it clear who is really reporting fake news or creating a false reality.

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/foreign_nationals_suspects_in_one-fifth_of_sexual_offenses/9252437

    https://www.nyatider.nu/disclosure-the-four-swedes-in-custody-for-gang-rape-are-somali-citizens/

    http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2015/06/24/17880/Conditional-imprisonment-for-3-in-Tapanila-rape-case

    http://tundratabloids.com/2015/03/five-muslims-rape-woman-the-harrassed-and-followed-off-of-helsinki-train/

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/appeal_court_stiffens_sentence_in_tapanila_rape_case/8803380

    It’s obvious that there is a problem, and it is obvious that the media and authorities want to cover it up. From refusing to describe perps, using citizenship status to deflect ethnicity or play with stats, or Using light sentencing to downplay the severity of an attack or problem, it’s obvious who is using psy-ops and dishonesty, and who is distorting reality.

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  30. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @El Dato
    Relevant:

    "Taharrush gamea" and the perils of reasoning from lexicon to culture

    which deconstructs an unjustified linking of a term to culture:


    "Taharrush gamea" and the perils of reasoning from lexicon to culture
    The media was strangely slow to report the shameful and horrible events of New Year's Day in Cologne, in which organised groups of drunk youths, most of them born in North Africa, systematically surrounded women coming out of the train station in order to sexually harass them and steal their valuables. Once they finally noticed, however, it took over the headlines for days on end. Scrambling to respond, the police issued a long and bureaucratic report including the following:

    So liegen dem Bundeskriminalamt Erkenntnisse dazu vor, dass in arabischen Ländern ein Modus Operandi bekannt ist, der als "taharrush gamea (gemeinsame sexuelle Belästigung in Menschenmengen) bezeichnet wird. Darüber wurde z. B. anlässlich der ägyptischen Revolution von den Medien berichtet.
    [It is thus found by the Bundeskriminalamt that in Arab countries there is known a modus operandi called "taharrush gamea" (group sexual harassment in crowds). This was reported on, for example, by the media on the occasion of the Egyptian revolution. (Update: See comments for a more precise translation.)]

    The term as quoted there, misspelling and all, now gets over 116,000 hits on Google News. Most of these hits seem to take this somewhere the German police prudently did not go, leaping with shock or glee to the conclusion that, if Arabic has a name for this phenomenon, it must be deeply rooted in the Arab world indeed. Indeed, at least one prominent typologist who shall remain nameless followed in the same direction, blithely asserting that "there is nothing racist about saying that taharrush gamea (the Arabic term for the gang sexual assault of women) is an Arab custom, part of Arab culture". A closer look at the data reveals that this hasty reasoning is not only incorrect, but results in a profound misunderstanding of the problem for which this name was coined.
     

    But it also links to the "long and bureaucratic report" at http://www.mik.nrw.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Redakteure/Dokumente/Themen_und_Aufgaben/Schutz_und_Sicherheit/160111ssia/160111berichtmik.pdf about the Köln events (in german)

    Haven't read it yet

    which deconstructs an unjustified linking of a term to culture

    Except that it doesn’t – at all.

    Taharrush was unknown in Europe until the Muslim garbage got introduced into the ecosystem. I’m not going to spontaneously decide to rape a woman in public – and even if I did, there’s no way in hell I’d get my buddies and random onlookers to eagerly join in. This is clearly “cultural”.

    The Arabic gang-rape ‘Taharrush’ phenomenon which sees women surrounded by groups of men in crowds and sexually assaulted… and has now spread to Europe

    http://archive.is/8aKy5

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  31. Avery says:
    @Chris Bridges
    Smoggins hit the nail on the head. I do not blame all Jews for the actions of others (Ron Unz is Jewish and a great American patriot) but it is silly to dismiss the obvious and widespread Jewish hostility to the West, Europe, and white people in general. The author of this nonsense is obviously a Jew, and probably one of Russian origins who hates Russia more than crazy John McCain does. In their minds a Cossack lurks under every bed. The simple truth is that the rape of non-Muslim women is a well-established tradition in Islam and the arrival of these so-called "refugees" has caused an epidemic of rape and other sexual assaults. Anybody who denies this - like the author of this bilge - clearly has an agenda. I am sorry to see the Unz Review giving space to this sick, perverted nut.

    Well said.

    The agenda as always is to flood Europe with more Islamists: “Nothing happened. Bring in more Islamists. It is quite safe.”
    The agenda is erasure of nation-states and erasure of nationalities: no more Germans, or French, or Italians,…..one large unrecognizable blob.
    The agenda is de-Christianization of Europe and the West …whatever is left of Christianity after decades of relentless assaults by Globalists.

    The article is a classic magician’s trick: while the right hand misdirects with some shiny object, the left lifts your wallet.

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  32. wow says:
    @Uebersetzer
    Surprisingly sane article for Unz, since the typical response is not only to credit hysterical and malicious reports of "low-IQ Muzzie rape armies" but to assume that only a revival of the Third Reich can serve as a defence.
    Murmansk Oblast. Yes. Their idea of ethnic minorities there would probably be Karelians. And the lily-white, rather raunchy club looks like the sort of hick establishment you might find in a place where people are trying not to die of boredom in the Arctic wastes.

    I know eh…Muslims are benign peace loving migrants who want to be Westernized. They don’t rape, pillage or assault anyone….I want more Muslims!!!!

    Kill yourself!

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    That's more like the Unz Review I know.
    You first.
  33. You doubt these news reports that mention Muslims so far north.

    Just google mosque Anchorage (there are 3).
    Mosque Yellowknife (1)
    Mosque Fairbanks (1)
    Mosque Reykjavik (1)

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  34. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s good to expose hoaxes, frauds and propaganda. Unfortunately pernicious lies can be generated at lightning speed while debunking them takes time. As soon as one lie is exposed ten have taken it’s place. The kind of people who visit this website or do some worthwhile reading are a minority of the population. All that’s required is to get a bare majority of the population to get hyped up about something and get them into mob mentality mode. They’ll shout down any dissenting voices and go charging in. This is how they get the masses to volunteer to get themselves killed for whatever war that gets cooked up. It’s been going on for a long time and examples go back as far as one wants to look. Deception of the public is the rule. PT Barnum’s line about a sucker being born every minute is as true today as it was then.

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  35. I’ll buy that the Murmansk story is BS for two reasons:

    1) The Russian border force is more discerning in who they let into the country than their Euro counterparts, and the Russian police take far less shit from immigrant offenders than their Euro counterparts; and

    2) The MRA are too busy in places like Malmo, Stockholm, Cologne, etc. to be bothered to even attempt to get to Murmansk, though the local girls look like they are worth the trip.

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    The MRA are too busy in places like Malmo, Stockholm, Cologne, etc.
     
    Dude, I can imagine this is going to come as a great disappointment to you, perhaps even exceeding when you learned that there was no Santa Claus, but....

    THERE IS NO MUSLIM RAPE ARMY!!!!

    Okay? It doesn't exist! It's just a cartoon. It's a deranged racist fantasy. You really think that there are mobs of Muslim males in wide open public spaces with CCTV all over the place dragging off women and raping them?

    And that this is some part of Muslim culture, rape as some sort of exhibitionist display there... I see that you guys exist in an echo chamber where everybody repeats this nonsense and it becomes "true" but it's just nonsense. Breitbart and Pamela Geller and all the rest of it..

    For example, look.... this last New Year's, I had dinner with some people I know, a family, a middle-aged couple with a teenage daughter. The man said he had a job opportunity in Germany, was possibly moving there for a couple of years. His wife is still fairly attractive.... his daughter is teenaged. Hey, if the MRA stories were all true, he himself should worry... but nobody mentioned it...

    "Oh, I got a job possibility, but I'm so worried that we'll all run into the Muslim Rape Army".

    "Yeah, man, that sounds like a real pain in the ass..."

    You can go to any travel agency here, near where I live (in Spain) and shop for a trip to Germany for a holiday and I am pretty sure that the travel agent never says: "Germany is a nice country but watch out for the MUSLIM RAPE ARMY".

    The government has never given a travel advisory, as far as I know, telling people here not to visit Germany because there's a MUSLIM RAPE ARMY running around.

    The whole thing only exists in a racist right-wing echo chamber that you guys have collectively constructed. Monsters from the id...

    Now, there are crimes, sure. Even some rapes happen, but not en masse in wide open spaces like the main train station of a major city! There are 80 million people in Germany, sure, there are crimes, but it's also not a dangerous country. You would have to be pretty unlucky for very much to happen to you in Germany.

    This is all just complete bullshit, guys. Get a f***ing grip.
  36. @wow
    I know eh...Muslims are benign peace loving migrants who want to be Westernized. They don't rape, pillage or assault anyone....I want more Muslims!!!!

    Kill yourself!

    That’s more like the Unz Review I know.
    You first.

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  37. Randal says:
    @Jason Liu
    "The Outsiders are criminals" is a standard line of rhetoric used all over the world to justify ethnic homogeneity. You hear the same thing in China, Japan, South Africa, everywhere. It's not supposed to be taken literally (by intelligent analysts, anyway). Even if Muslims weren't associated with rape/sharia/acid attacks/whatever, ethnic nationalists would still find some fault with them to use as excuse to reject them.

    It would be clearer and more ideologically effective to simply be honest: "I don't want these people here because I want to live in a relatively homogeneous society. Whether or not the Outsider has negative/criminal traits is irrelevant."

    It would be clearer and more ideologically effective to simply be honest: “I don’t want these people here because I want to live in a relatively homogeneous society. Whether or not the Outsider has negative/criminal traits is irrelevant.”

    That’s an implausible assertion that needs support, imo.

    From my point of view, I would certainly endorse your suggested statement (a relatively homogeneous society is certainly preferable to the alternative, imo). But the assertion that confining the political argument to just that would be as effective as utilising the power of the “outsider as criminal etc” trope (which also of course has the advantage of often being substantially true) seems highly questionable to me.

    It’s a bit like criticising weaker peoples for resorting to “terrorism” in the face of overwhelmingly superior force. How dare those Palestinians not line up in smart red uniformed lines, to be mown down by US-subsidised Israeli high tech weaponry?

    What is the benefit to being ideologically pure if you no longer exist as a sovereign nation?

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  38. Revusky is a 9/11 Truther who believes that the Charlie Hebbo massacre was a hoax.

    At the core of the 9/11 Truther Cabal are race-replacement enthusiasts who want to import the Mohammadan Gang Rape Army into Minnesota….

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  39. Should we take this seriously?

    Somalia: Women Shouldn’t Live in Fear of Rape According to this HRW report published last month, ” The UN reported nearly 800 cases of sexual and gender-based violence in Mogadishu alone for the first six months of 2013, although the actual number is likely much higher. Many victims will not report rape and sexual assault because they lack confidence in the justice system, are unaware of available health and justice services or cannot access them, and fear reprisal and stigma. When Human Rights Watch asked one survivor why she did not report being raped, she shrugged: “Rape is a frequent occurrence in Somalia. Here, rape is normal.

    https://fqdayib.com/2014/03/07/rape-is-a-frequent-occurrence-in-somalia-here-rape-is-normal/

    Say what you want about the conditions in these countries, or why they are in such condition, these are the people that are flooding the West. I don’t think the citizens of Europe and North America deserve to be subjected to the violence and dysfunction brought by the refugees. Apparently, some people think otherwise. Isn’t that what it all really boils down to?

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  40. @TelfoedJohn
    Is there a short version of this?

    Is there a short version of this?

    Yes.

    The media is a huge source of lies. Question everything.

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    Hi jacques sheete,

    The alternative media is also filled with liars and bullshitters, of course. I just got this email:


    I read Jeffrey St Clair and could not believe how stupid the standard bearers of the Left are these days. Here it is:

    For the conspiratorial Left, the Deep Staters seem to have eclipsed the 9/11 Truthers as the heralds of a new political Theory-0f-Everything. This is a welcome shift of emphasis as far as I’m concerned. Who really needs to read yet another belabored story on the demolition of WTC 7?

    I first encountered the phrase “Deep State” in the writings of the Canadian Peter Dale Scott (a fellow Eng. Lit major), though the predicate of the theory far predates Scott’s relatively docile explorations of the dark forces manipulating the secret management of the Empire. The origin myth of leftwing Deep State theory is, of course, the assassination of JFK, an act of internal regime change by a CIA hit-team orchestrated by Allen Dulles in retaliation for the president’s alleged plan to break-up the agency and yank US troops out of Vietnam. From that moment on, according Deep State theorizers, the secret government was firmly in control and no political transgressions against its agenda would be tolerated. As an omnipotent force, the existence of a Deep State satisfies the Left’s desire to rationalize its own sense of perennial powerlessness.

    Of course, I remain an unrepentant Magic Bullet man, fully persuaded that Lee Harvey Oswald, as an ardent devotee of the Cuban Revolution, had a more personal motive to kill the anti-communist Kennedy (the first neoliberal) than did fussy old Allen Dulles. With a couple miraculous shots from his Carcano Rifle, Oswald demonstrated that regime change could be a two-way street.

    Does he not know of JFK´s speech at American University in June? Does he not know Oswald´s history and his last words "I am just the patsy"? Does he not know that Building 7 fell at free fall speed for 2.5 seconds and that that can only have happened if the vertical columns were simultaneously take out by controlled demolition? Has he not read or heard the testimonies of First Responders who heard multiple explosions?

    Or is he really in on it, being financially supported be nefarious forces to destroy anti-war, anti-imperialist thought in the U.S.? Is this guy just stupid or is he paid to write this shit and hold these opinions? That is my question. Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.
     

    Linh
    , @OilcanFloyd

    The media is a huge source of lies. Question everything.
     
    I agree. But what if the media and elites are downplaying the problem because they supported and caused the problem in the first place? What purpose would it serve for Germans in the media and political class to make up the Koln attacks? The political and media class in Germany is hardly alt-Right, and they are the ones who support immigration and put the speech codes and hate laws in place. At first, they tried to ignore the event! Wouldn't they lose all credibility if they completely ignored what is going on?
  41. utu says:

    The Murmansk story was a hoax. Its point was not that Muslims were rapist, because the audience to which the hoax was directed at already believed the Muslims-are-rapist men. The main point was to boost the image of Russian people by showing their prowess that they would not put up with what allegedly people in the West put up with daily.

    This is an example of a very inexpensive psy-op propaganda and to some extent successful, but only because the targeted audience is not very sophisticated. This case also exemplifies a typical crudeness of Russian propaganda machine.

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    This case also exemplifies a typical crudeness of Russian propaganda machine.
     
    I don't see this as having much to do with Russian government propaganda. The hoax did not have any cooperation from the local authorities or media. The local cops just went there, on the basis of some anonymous phone call, checked it out, and said: this is bullshit. A news agency, Flashnord, that ran the story initially (and that was 5, or up to 5 people getting beat up) ran a correction very quickly and then the other newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda pretty obviously sent a couple of reporters down there from Murmansk to check out the story. And they just wrote a sarcastic report saying that it was bullshit.

    Another thing I didn't mention in the article was that there was also an article in TASS debunking the whole narrative:

    http://tass.ru/proisshestviya/2627076

    For example, read the last paragraph. It says that the Arabs pass through basically just keep to themselves, but any interactions with them are культурно, cultured or civilized, right? That's the TASS news agency. All the respectable or official Russian news sources etcetera were mostly interested in just debunking the whole thing.

    Now, you had these various dodgy right-wing Russky sites spreading the story somewhat and then after it went viral in the western alt-media, some of those rabid Russian sites started quoting Daily Caller as the source for an incident that had happened in their own country! Somehow Daily Caller was a better source for what was going on in Murmansk region than Tass or Komsomolskaya Pravda.

    Somehow in the Russian nut-sphere, the number of victims went from 5 to 51 and they never batted an eyelid. That's what I mean by the "Culture of Bullshit".

    But finally, I see the main target audience for this as being Westerners. I think the manly Russians versus the girlie man Germans does create emotional satisfaction in a certain Russian audience though. Dmitry Orlov fell for this, ate it up with a spoon.

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com.es/2016/06/negative-interest-rates-are-coming-to.html?m=1

    Pretty inexcusable to fall for this when you're a native speaker of Russian. But I think the target audience is still mainly the western audience, but they knew that the Russians out there would mirror it a lot because it has that manly Russian men thread running through it. But I think this whole notion of the Germans (as compared to the Russians) being a bunch of metrosexual faggots who would not protect their women -- this gets a lot of uptake from the anti-PC alt-right types.

    People say I wrote too much, but there is a lot unsaid. You really take one of these synthetic bullshit events and really put it under the microscope and it's got all these little subnarratives running through it...

    Maybe this could be a foundational paper in the emerging field of Bullshitology...

  42. utu says:
    @Michael Kenny
    When I first started visiting the US internet about a dozen years ago, I was shocked by the innumerable inaccuracies concerning Europe. I've lived in the US and I know that Americans are woefully ignorant of all things European, so I would politely blog authors pointing out their error. Then, a few months later, the same author would trot out the same misinformation. At that point, I realised that I was dealing with propaganda and disinformation and, as the saying goes, I haven't looked back since. What I also noticed was that, regardless of the professed ideology of the site, the "party line" always seemed to be the same, the message was merely dressed up in whatever jargon was appropriate to the professed dieology. Example: the rightwing sites would say that the EU had to be destroyed because it was a hotbed of socialism whereas the leftwing sites would say that the EU has to be destroyed bercause it was a hotbed of capitalism! Then there were the "nonentity authors": "Joe Smith is an activist from Iowa". And the undisclosed pseudonyms, whether used by one person or several, often identifiable by their odd-sounding biographies. And the sites that were wholly anonymous. And the authors who, when you blogged them, were manifestly unfamiliar with the contents of the articles they were supposed to have written. And, of course, the completey fake stories of the kind Mr Revusky refers to.
    In addition, it is very difficult to identify who actually owns, or more importantly, finances, a website (as distinct from the domain name it uses). Some sites have fund-raising drives, as if they were "user-funded" and tells us that it they don't raise $X by tomorrow, the site will shut down. They do that year after year but the site never does shut down! Some mysterious (and anonymous!) moneybags always pops up at the last minute to save the day!
    To a very great extent, the American internet has become one enormous fraud and since that is screamingly obvious, it has lost all credibility. The only point of visiting internet sites is to see what propaganda line we are being fed and work out from that what truth they are trying to divert our attention away from! That's why stories like the Murmansk story no longer "sell".

    To a very great extent, the American internet has become one enormous fraud and since that is screamingly obvious, it has lost all credibility.

    Exactly my feelings.

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  43. utu says:
    @Randal
    Lots of good stuff in here, though from my point of view it's a case of pointing the guns in the wrong direction. (The philosophical/tactical question of whether the anti-mass migration cause is better served by strict honesty or by the use of "bullshit" in response to the progressives' prolific prior use of it to get us where we are is touched on in the piece but not really resolved, imo.)

    I've always just automatically dismissed "muslim rape army" stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media. I clearly recall (though I haven't dug into it as forensically as you do with the Murmansk story here) that the Cologne stuff was not based on nothing, but upon initial reports of several women being harassed (I don't recall whether there were any actual rapes), and the story expanded from there, especially in response to attempts by the left and the mainstream media to cover it up. These were exactly the kinds of low level migrant/minority harassments all of us who live in western cities will be familiar with, and the honest amongst us will admit to. I've spoken to girls in my city who complain of personal, direct experience of low level harassment in muslim areas. It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing. The Rotherham stories were not nothing (I know Rotherham quite well, as it happens), even if they are often built up into something more than they are by those with an axe to grind. I recently read an interesting piece (in The National Interest, so obviously of questionable loyalties) from a woman linked apparently to some RAND ME program who claims to have worked very extensively with migrants, trying to argue the problem was primarily just with Afghan migrants (but implicitly admitting the existence of a problem).

    Does this kind of propaganda hyperbole help to whip up mass political support and is it a necessary counter to the other side's lies and suppression of truth, or does it discredit the cause? That's a hard question to answer imo - presumably it does both, but which does it do more? It's all very well insisting on the fundamental importance of truth, but the fact is that the liars have been winning for decades.

    It is evident that there have been extremely powerful and well placed liars engaged in imposing mass immigration upon us for decades. It is also evident that there are very powerful and well placed liars trying to whip up anti-muslim feeling for various reasons (this was a favourite tactic of Israel's partisans for a long time, and still is in many cases).

    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine? I don't know, but if we don't end mass immigration there will be no "us" (in the sense of the nations we have grown up with) to worry about the situation anyway.

    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine?

    Very good question. History teaches us that if you want to mobilize masses you need to lie to them. If you want to turn regular into killers you have vilify and dehumanize the enemy.

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    Of course, some people are trying to exploit the problem, which is evident in the many reports with obvious links to Israeli or pro-Zionist sites. The problem still exists. Most people would just like to turn back the immigration, and likely have no desire for more war in the Middle East, or anywhere else, and no amount of propaganda is going to change things. We're already at war! How popular has official propaganda made immigration?
    , @Randal
    Well if it's national survival as (actual) fascists or national extinction, any decent man would choose the former in a heartbeat. Of course some would argue the Germans made the same choice in the 1930s and it didn't end well for them, but that doesn't mean the issue is closed for other times and places.

    (I'm not saying we necessarily do face that choice today, not yet at any rate).

    History teaches us that if you want to mobilize masses you need to lie to them. If you want to turn regular into killers you have vilify and dehumanize the enemy.
     
    Wanting the former does not imply wanting the latter, of course.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I think you've got the causality backwards. As Steve Sailer has pointed out, the disastrous, socially, culturally, and economically destructive influx of unassimalable immigrants into the USA and Europe is part of a tripartite globalist establishment plan: "Invade the world, invite the world, in debt to the world." It is precisely the genocidal warfare spearheaded by the USA in Africa and across the Middle East that has created the chaos which is causing and enabling this uncontrolled flow. That the USA's insane belligerence has been largely instigated by Israeli pressure on internal US politics is something best left to another discussion.
  44. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @jacques sheete

    Is there a short version of this?
     
    Yes.

    The media is a huge source of lies. Question everything.

    Hi jacques sheete,

    The alternative media is also filled with liars and bullshitters, of course. I just got this email:

    I read Jeffrey St Clair and could not believe how stupid the standard bearers of the Left are these days. Here it is:

    For the conspiratorial Left, the Deep Staters seem to have eclipsed the 9/11 Truthers as the heralds of a new political Theory-0f-Everything. This is a welcome shift of emphasis as far as I’m concerned. Who really needs to read yet another belabored story on the demolition of WTC 7?

    I first encountered the phrase “Deep State” in the writings of the Canadian Peter Dale Scott (a fellow Eng. Lit major), though the predicate of the theory far predates Scott’s relatively docile explorations of the dark forces manipulating the secret management of the Empire. The origin myth of leftwing Deep State theory is, of course, the assassination of JFK, an act of internal regime change by a CIA hit-team orchestrated by Allen Dulles in retaliation for the president’s alleged plan to break-up the agency and yank US troops out of Vietnam. From that moment on, according Deep State theorizers, the secret government was firmly in control and no political transgressions against its agenda would be tolerated. As an omnipotent force, the existence of a Deep State satisfies the Left’s desire to rationalize its own sense of perennial powerlessness.

    Of course, I remain an unrepentant Magic Bullet man, fully persuaded that Lee Harvey Oswald, as an ardent devotee of the Cuban Revolution, had a more personal motive to kill the anti-communist Kennedy (the first neoliberal) than did fussy old Allen Dulles. With a couple miraculous shots from his Carcano Rifle, Oswald demonstrated that regime change could be a two-way street.

    Does he not know of JFK´s speech at American University in June? Does he not know Oswald´s history and his last words “I am just the patsy”? Does he not know that Building 7 fell at free fall speed for 2.5 seconds and that that can only have happened if the vertical columns were simultaneously take out by controlled demolition? Has he not read or heard the testimonies of First Responders who heard multiple explosions?

    Or is he really in on it, being financially supported be nefarious forces to destroy anti-war, anti-imperialist thought in the U.S.? Is this guy just stupid or is he paid to write this shit and hold these opinions? That is my question. Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.

    Linh

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    I completely agree with Jeffrey Sinclair on this point.

    I don't like the term "DEEP STATE"...for this term reeks of a hidden super-intelligent Cabal(The Fart Joke loving Bush Family..."250 Fart Jokes" to be specific and exact...) What is called the "DEEP STATE" is just the usual suspects:Military Industrial Complex+Israeli Firsters taking advantage of the Patriotards who are looking forward to the upcommimg NCAA Div 1 Football Season....the upcoming NFL season....and Fantasy Football 2017.


    In other words, the Deep State is just another upcomming year of Mega-Corporate Power colluding with the Neocon-Israeli Firsters mixed into the rancid toilet of Cornball Americana....

    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.
     
    Hi Linh. You know, the above is really a kind of money quote. I mean, the dude says: "I'm an unrepentant magic bullet man". So, the guy says openly he believes in magic, in a miracle, he is tacitly accepting the sheer implausibility (or downright impossibility) of the official story and PROUDLY proclaims that he believes it anyway.

    I mean, that's so Orwellian doublethink-ish, you know? I mean, on one level, he all but admits that he kinda knows that it's not true, but then says that he is a proud believer! This kind of thing is really an insight into that sort of left gatekeeper mentality, I think. He takes his capacity to do the Orwellian doublethink and delude himself and vaunts it as some kind of great virtue!

    I have made a mental note to use that in a future follow-up article. It's an incredible insight into these people, not just that line either, but the whole passage you quoted.
    , @jacques sheete

    Is this guy just stupid or is he paid to write this shit and hold these opinions?
     
    Could be both. I'm convinced that most of those goons just write anything that they think will sell. It really doesn't matter what they write since in this idiot society garbage sells.

    Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.
     
    No pride, no brains, complete moron in wacko world. And the beat goes on...
  45. @Lemurmaniac
    Even outlets like The Guardian (hardly a bastion of alt-right commentary) acknowledged that rapes had happened in Cologne, and that this was not in quantitative terms a standard occurrence, and that Arabs/non-whites were overwhelming the accused by the victimized women. The number range of the attacks were certainly subject to variation and exaggeration, with tabloids alleging well over 1,000 rapes when the true number was under 500. However, 4 to 500 is far from a hoax.

    There's plenty of other verifiable stories of exceptionally violent, exceptionally numerous, or unheard of sexual crimes committed by these 'refugees' published in papers from across the political spectrum.

    The real synthetic bullshit narrative here is because you found one instance where no refugee criminal behavour occurred, then it occurred nowhere.

    Of course we should not need rapes to justify banning what amounts to migratory colonization of our ethnic European homelands. The well behaved East Asians need to go back too. But to mobilize people, we need propaganda. Propaganda is the application of the question 'What is to be done?' to the recognition of a moral and political truth - we have a legitimate right to our homelands. Propaganda is designed to translate truth into emotional appeal, and from thence to political action. Thus, what matters if whether its true in general. Nobody thinks the parables of Christ are untrue simply because the particulars of the story were fictional.

    acknowledged

    hahahahahahahahahaaaa thinking that any or all newspapers got any authority over facts. the problem with all media was and is that the readers can never tell which is real or fake(propaganda). this has been true since the invention of newspapers, radio, tv and internet. even a place like 4chan got taken over. that means any and all news can be taken over. it is just that some of us has finally woken up to this fact. even unz review can become a target for take over once it gets popular enough.

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    You're missing the point. This guy was trying to dismiss what happened simply because far right people/outlets talked about it alot. Well, if that were true, why did liberal outlets?
  46. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Jonathan Revusky

    Let’s see… This guy that believes that no planes hit the twin towers, believes that Betty Ong never existed, and will uncritically characterizes anyone who doesn’t share his views (such as Fred Reed) as a lying shit-eater. He comes here after EVERY terrorist attack in Europe to say that he firmly believes it to be yet another false-flag event to make people hate muslims. He also believes a bunch of other crazy stuff, as well. He is an apologist for muslims. He is indifferent about the future of Europeans like 99% of the rest of the world, ect…

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    Is he the guy who claims the Nicole Simpson Ron Goldman murders were total fakes arranged by deep state to distract the masses from whatever evil deeds the deep state was doing at the time?

    Betty Ong is from San Francisco. She had 2 parents and 3 siblings, lived in the Sunset, went to Washington high. I suppose the parents and sibs were actors and the WTC fraudsters created Betty Ong birth certificate, grade. and high school transcripts and employment records knowing that one day they would need a fake flight attendant named Betty Ong.

    From fraudulent birth certificate to fake death, a 45 year old fraud by deep state.

  47. @jacques sheete

    Is there a short version of this?
     
    Yes.

    The media is a huge source of lies. Question everything.

    The media is a huge source of lies. Question everything.

    I agree. But what if the media and elites are downplaying the problem because they supported and caused the problem in the first place? What purpose would it serve for Germans in the media and political class to make up the Koln attacks? The political and media class in Germany is hardly alt-Right, and they are the ones who support immigration and put the speech codes and hate laws in place. At first, they tried to ignore the event! Wouldn’t they lose all credibility if they completely ignored what is going on?

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  48. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Johnny Smoggins
    Is Revusky Jewish?

    Save yourselves the task of reading this, I've summed it up in just a couple of sentences for you;

    "look stupid goyim, nothing to see here but I think I'll write this incredibly long, dull, meandering and pedantic article to show you how smart I (we) am and how dumb you are"

    How many other similar tomes have been written by Jews i.e. Capital and The Authoritarian Personality for the same purpose?

    Is Revusky Jewish?

    Yes and No. He doesn’t identify as a Jew (although he has admitted to being 1/4 Jewish by ancestry, as well as being otherwise racially mixed). Strangely, he is also very pro-Holocaust revisionism.

    In short, he’s just another kooky subversive of actual native European causes.

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  49. @utu
    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine?

    Very good question. History teaches us that if you want to mobilize masses you need to lie to them. If you want to turn regular into killers you have vilify and dehumanize the enemy.

    Of course, some people are trying to exploit the problem, which is evident in the many reports with obvious links to Israeli or pro-Zionist sites. The problem still exists. Most people would just like to turn back the immigration, and likely have no desire for more war in the Middle East, or anywhere else, and no amount of propaganda is going to change things. We’re already at war! How popular has official propaganda made immigration?

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  50. In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened.

    You’re scum. I already suspected that given your hysterical “Holocaust revisionism” comments, but this confirms it beyond doubt.

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  51. Randal says:
    @utu
    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine?

    Very good question. History teaches us that if you want to mobilize masses you need to lie to them. If you want to turn regular into killers you have vilify and dehumanize the enemy.

    Well if it’s national survival as (actual) fascists or national extinction, any decent man would choose the former in a heartbeat. Of course some would argue the Germans made the same choice in the 1930s and it didn’t end well for them, but that doesn’t mean the issue is closed for other times and places.

    (I’m not saying we necessarily do face that choice today, not yet at any rate).

    History teaches us that if you want to mobilize masses you need to lie to them. If you want to turn regular into killers you have vilify and dehumanize the enemy.

    Wanting the former does not imply wanting the latter, of course.

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  52. @utu
    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine?

    Very good question. History teaches us that if you want to mobilize masses you need to lie to them. If you want to turn regular into killers you have vilify and dehumanize the enemy.

    I think you’ve got the causality backwards. As Steve Sailer has pointed out, the disastrous, socially, culturally, and economically destructive influx of unassimalable immigrants into the USA and Europe is part of a tripartite globalist establishment plan: “Invade the world, invite the world, in debt to the world.” It is precisely the genocidal warfare spearheaded by the USA in Africa and across the Middle East that has created the chaos which is causing and enabling this uncontrolled flow. That the USA’s insane belligerence has been largely instigated by Israeli pressure on internal US politics is something best left to another discussion.

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  53. @Randal
    Lots of good stuff in here, though from my point of view it's a case of pointing the guns in the wrong direction. (The philosophical/tactical question of whether the anti-mass migration cause is better served by strict honesty or by the use of "bullshit" in response to the progressives' prolific prior use of it to get us where we are is touched on in the piece but not really resolved, imo.)

    I've always just automatically dismissed "muslim rape army" stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media. I clearly recall (though I haven't dug into it as forensically as you do with the Murmansk story here) that the Cologne stuff was not based on nothing, but upon initial reports of several women being harassed (I don't recall whether there were any actual rapes), and the story expanded from there, especially in response to attempts by the left and the mainstream media to cover it up. These were exactly the kinds of low level migrant/minority harassments all of us who live in western cities will be familiar with, and the honest amongst us will admit to. I've spoken to girls in my city who complain of personal, direct experience of low level harassment in muslim areas. It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing. The Rotherham stories were not nothing (I know Rotherham quite well, as it happens), even if they are often built up into something more than they are by those with an axe to grind. I recently read an interesting piece (in The National Interest, so obviously of questionable loyalties) from a woman linked apparently to some RAND ME program who claims to have worked very extensively with migrants, trying to argue the problem was primarily just with Afghan migrants (but implicitly admitting the existence of a problem).

    Does this kind of propaganda hyperbole help to whip up mass political support and is it a necessary counter to the other side's lies and suppression of truth, or does it discredit the cause? That's a hard question to answer imo - presumably it does both, but which does it do more? It's all very well insisting on the fundamental importance of truth, but the fact is that the liars have been winning for decades.

    It is evident that there have been extremely powerful and well placed liars engaged in imposing mass immigration upon us for decades. It is also evident that there are very powerful and well placed liars trying to whip up anti-muslim feeling for various reasons (this was a favourite tactic of Israel's partisans for a long time, and still is in many cases).

    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine? I don't know, but if we don't end mass immigration there will be no "us" (in the sense of the nations we have grown up with) to worry about the situation anyway.

    (I don’t recall whether there were any actual rapes)

    There were at least several confirmed digital rapes (that is with fingers); later media reports also mentioned a few cases in which actual intercourse had happened, though iirc that supposedly wasn’t reported to the police at the time due to the victims being too traumatized.
    But it’s beyond doubt that some very serious assaults happened in Cologne…and that the perpetrators will never be punished.
    Revusky in his article is really just using classic disinformation tactics of the sort commonly used by pro-immigrationist journalists: they focus all their attention on some ridiculous, irrelevant story (the supposed Murmanks riots in this case) that is easy to refute…and then claim there is nothing, nothing at all to reports about severe crimes committed by Muslim immigrants, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

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    But it’s beyond doubt that some very serious assaults happened in Cologne…and that the perpetrators will never be punished.
     
    Nor imo is there any doubt that sections of the media/political elite actively tried to cover it up - it, together with some similar cases around the same time, sparked an extensive discussion on the establishment left at the time, iirc, between those who wanted to pretend it hadn't happened in order to avoid having immigrants criticised and those whose feminist dogmas made that difficult for them to swallow.

    Revusky in his article is really just using classic disinformation tactics of the sort commonly used by pro-immigrationist journalists: they focus all their attention on some ridiculous, irrelevant story (the supposed Murmanks riots in this case) that is easy to refute…and then claim there is nothing, nothing at all to reports about severe crimes committed by Muslim immigrants, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
     
    Yes, his neat segue from debunking a trivial piece of propaganda to writing as though he had debunked the much larger Cologne story leaves him wide open to that accusation.

    On the other hand he's certainly correct that there are many pushing dishonestly exaggerated propaganda about muslims and islam, and some of those doing so certainly have extremely noxious motivations (the US/Israeli neocon crew in particular).

    As is often the case, the truth is somewhere in the middle (the mainstream, establishment position pushed here by Revusky - "there's nothing to see here, move on citizen" - being one extreme), but for me the priority is somehow ending mass immigration, not catching out some particular propagandists overstepping the bounds in their zeal for the cause. As I've noted before, 9/11 dissenters, "anti-Semites", "islamophobes", "homophobes" and immigration dissenters are in the end all deplorables as far as the elites are concerned, and it's rather comical when they scratch and scrabble at each other as though they won't all finish up in the same pot at the end.

  54. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The jooies push their agenda through the media, so I have learned not to trust them.

    Look at all the stories of N Korea and Iran that are hyped up. Most of them are probably bullshit.

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  55. KenH says:

    I couldn’t get through it all but it sounds like Revusky is saying that because the Murmansk incident (which I’ve never even heard of until now) is “bullshit”, all stories involving Muslim sexual predation of non-Muslim women in the West must be as well. Ergo, let millions more in because any concerns about their barbarism are unfounded.

    If that’s the case then he should petition his fellow Jew Benji Netanyahu to allow huge numbers of them into Israel, so they can marry Jewish women and finally solve the intractable Jew vs. Arab racial problem once and for all!

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  56. MBlanc46 says:
    @Hairway To Steven
    11,300 words to make what appears to be a single and fairly minor point.

    I was going to say, “Very much about very little”, but you’ve said it better.

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  57. @Linh Dinh
    Hi jacques sheete,

    The alternative media is also filled with liars and bullshitters, of course. I just got this email:


    I read Jeffrey St Clair and could not believe how stupid the standard bearers of the Left are these days. Here it is:

    For the conspiratorial Left, the Deep Staters seem to have eclipsed the 9/11 Truthers as the heralds of a new political Theory-0f-Everything. This is a welcome shift of emphasis as far as I’m concerned. Who really needs to read yet another belabored story on the demolition of WTC 7?

    I first encountered the phrase “Deep State” in the writings of the Canadian Peter Dale Scott (a fellow Eng. Lit major), though the predicate of the theory far predates Scott’s relatively docile explorations of the dark forces manipulating the secret management of the Empire. The origin myth of leftwing Deep State theory is, of course, the assassination of JFK, an act of internal regime change by a CIA hit-team orchestrated by Allen Dulles in retaliation for the president’s alleged plan to break-up the agency and yank US troops out of Vietnam. From that moment on, according Deep State theorizers, the secret government was firmly in control and no political transgressions against its agenda would be tolerated. As an omnipotent force, the existence of a Deep State satisfies the Left’s desire to rationalize its own sense of perennial powerlessness.

    Of course, I remain an unrepentant Magic Bullet man, fully persuaded that Lee Harvey Oswald, as an ardent devotee of the Cuban Revolution, had a more personal motive to kill the anti-communist Kennedy (the first neoliberal) than did fussy old Allen Dulles. With a couple miraculous shots from his Carcano Rifle, Oswald demonstrated that regime change could be a two-way street.

    Does he not know of JFK´s speech at American University in June? Does he not know Oswald´s history and his last words "I am just the patsy"? Does he not know that Building 7 fell at free fall speed for 2.5 seconds and that that can only have happened if the vertical columns were simultaneously take out by controlled demolition? Has he not read or heard the testimonies of First Responders who heard multiple explosions?

    Or is he really in on it, being financially supported be nefarious forces to destroy anti-war, anti-imperialist thought in the U.S.? Is this guy just stupid or is he paid to write this shit and hold these opinions? That is my question. Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.
     

    Linh

    I completely agree with Jeffrey Sinclair on this point.

    I don’t like the term “DEEP STATE”…for this term reeks of a hidden super-intelligent Cabal(The Fart Joke loving Bush Family…”250 Fart Jokes” to be specific and exact…) What is called the “DEEP STATE” is just the usual suspects:Military Industrial Complex+Israeli Firsters taking advantage of the Patriotards who are looking forward to the upcommimg NCAA Div 1 Football Season….the upcoming NFL season….and Fantasy Football 2017.

    In other words, the Deep State is just another upcomming year of Mega-Corporate Power colluding with the Neocon-Israeli Firsters mixed into the rancid toilet of Cornball Americana….

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    Hi Blair Mt.

    I liked what you said:

    In other words, the Deep State is just another upcomming year of Mega-Corporate Power colluding with the Neocon-Israeli Firsters mixed into the rancid toilet of Cornball Americana
     
    Oh by the way I agree with the concept that: Let's not us Nordic/Germanic/be further used or abusused... but let's not continue to be... TROUNCED! TROUNCED!

    GET real shit heads! They will kill kill kill... your little ones.... / and other's one's too! no problem. Because them's are ugly.. black and brown... ugly too? Get Real Bitch's.

    I believe that most normal folks know that so much is done that is terrible,and we won't support that, but that is fine and dandy... hey they don't give a shit.. hence/ HENCE:
  58. utu says:

    Revusky is a lover of abstract purity. He likes to create mathematical like notions and propositions in areas that unfortunately are not suited for such reductionism and simplification. It comes all the way from Hegel. It was in vogue among many thinkers of 19 c. and early 20 c. in the “soft fields” of science and pseudo-science who to some extent were driven by physics and mathematics envy. Otto Weininger with his calculus of feminine and masculine elements is a good example or Charles Spearman with his general intelligence factor g is another prominent example who unlike Weininger dd not have decency to commit suicide. All of them followed Hegel’s dictum that if their theorizing did not fit the facts it was “the worst for the facts.”

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    " It come all the way from Hegel"

    Hegel was insane and full of shit, and I could relate an incident regarding the validity of his ramblings, however don't have the patience at this moment.
    N. was on the money.
    Authenticjazman " Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    PS , it means nothing , but I did at one time live five minutes from his, Hegel's, last residence in Heidelberg
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Revusky is a lover of abstract purity. (blah blah)
     
    Uhh... I don't think so. I'm certainly not conscious of being a "lover of abstract purity". Though, OTOH, I I have to admit that I'm not 100% sure what you even mean by that. To be honest, that sounds like what I referred to in the article as "higher order bullshit".

    I certainly don't see how "Revusky's Razor" emerges from some kind of abstract pure conception of the world. The problem is that if you've got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It's obviously impossible. I mean, it's not a question of even catching a rape on camera. I mean, there should be some sort of images of some distraught women with torn clothes just after being raped or assaulted. There is simply NOTHING. It's such a pure baldfaced hoax, it's ridiculous. Here is a youtube commenter who put up a video about it and it's quite extraordinary to look at the comment stream under it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXf6wVpF1UU

    Everybody screams and hollers but it doesn't occur to anybody that there is a need to find some actual evidence! The discussion under the video is just extraordinary. The video creator just keeps asking these people: like, where's the evidence? And they obviously have none and just get ever more incensed at him, insisting that the event happened.

    It provides an amazing insight into the HIQI mentality -- well, just as much of the discussion right here does! This desperate need to believe something...

    But that guy put out the video a week after the event. Well over a year has gone by and no video or photos have ever become available. The reasoning of the guy in the video is completely correct. In the space where they claim this happened, it is simply impossible for there to be no photographic evidence.

    So it simply did not happen. It has nothing to do with wanting immigration or loving Muslims. The event simply did not happen. It's a purely factual question and there's nothing abstract or theoretical about it.

    , @Ron Unz

    The problem is that if you’ve got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It’s obviously impossible.
     
    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I'd take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his "if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos" argument about any violent event.

    Well, I'm skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    During violent events that are unexpected, most people are probably too flustered to whip out their smartphones, press all the right buttons, and begin filming away. I certainly would be.

    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I'd guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public. I'm not sure that more than a tiny handful are videoed and put up on YouTube, except, sometimes, by the foolishly vainglorious (and prepared) killers who want their fame on WorldStarHipPop. So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.

    Here's a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?...
  59. ussr andy says:
    @Chris Bridges
    Smoggins hit the nail on the head. I do not blame all Jews for the actions of others (Ron Unz is Jewish and a great American patriot) but it is silly to dismiss the obvious and widespread Jewish hostility to the West, Europe, and white people in general. The author of this nonsense is obviously a Jew, and probably one of Russian origins who hates Russia more than crazy John McCain does. In their minds a Cossack lurks under every bed. The simple truth is that the rape of non-Muslim women is a well-established tradition in Islam and the arrival of these so-called "refugees" has caused an epidemic of rape and other sexual assaults. Anybody who denies this - like the author of this bilge - clearly has an agenda. I am sorry to see the Unz Review giving space to this sick, perverted nut.

    The author of this nonsense is obviously a Jew,

    nope, not obvious at all. He’s a bit to preoccupied with Muzzie apologism. I mean there are sh*tlib Jews who defend Muslims for SJW reasons, but for this guy it’s clearly something personal. And, of course, the whole ZOG and Holocaust denialism stuff is pretty mainstream in the Muslim world.

    A second David Cole who also, for some reason, happens to love Muslims veddy veddy much? Nah, probably not.

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  60. @Johnny Smoggins
    Is Revusky Jewish?

    Save yourselves the task of reading this, I've summed it up in just a couple of sentences for you;

    "look stupid goyim, nothing to see here but I think I'll write this incredibly long, dull, meandering and pedantic article to show you how smart I (we) am and how dumb you are"

    How many other similar tomes have been written by Jews i.e. Capital and The Authoritarian Personality for the same purpose?

    ” Das Kapital”

    Damn if this is not the maddening, nonsensical, conglomeration of lunacy ever produced on planet mirth, than I do not know what is.

    Marx was totally nuts, and the results of his rube-goldberg “Teachings” are still reverberating to this day, as the complete US edumacation system is populated by professor loonies who propagate this shiot, and as with the Kaiser’s neue Kleidung, they are assuming that because this abberation is beyond their own comprehension, it THEREFORE must be valid and true.

    They are then pushing out thousands of newly ordained marxist SJWs, semester by semester, who will automatically support such demogogues as BC, HRC, BO, AG, GS, etc, etc etc.

    If the dilema of crazy-ass leftist marxist professors is not finally addressed there will be a total collapse of society, basta

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro ajzz artist.

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    Marx was totally nuts, and the results of his rube-goldberg “Teachings” are still reverberating to this day, as the complete US edumacation system is populated by professor loonies who propagate this shiot,
     
    The real aim and genius of Marx was that he invented a RELIGION dressed up as pseudo-scientific theory. Karl's RELIGION weaponized existing malcontents into a powerful global CULT by latching onto subconscious longings and emotions.

    In time, Karl's cult acquired a multi-national, closely networked higher priesthood as superstructure, a lower, localized priesthood of mainly female busybodies, and the usual vast herd of rank-and-file religious adepts who prize mental and emotional comfort above all.


    they are assuming that because this abberation is beyond their own comprehension, it THEREFORE must be valid and true.
     
    Excellent point. The motto of the boob-tube watcher: "I can't make head nor tail of it, so it must be true." In fact, this may not be a bad survival heuristic if one's IQ is 90 (and for many of us in some situations - do you really want to learn and UNDERSTAND the ins and outs of IRS rules before you file your tax return? Basic aerodynamics before you fly the next time?)
  61. Randal says:
    @German_reader

    (I don’t recall whether there were any actual rapes)
     
    There were at least several confirmed digital rapes (that is with fingers); later media reports also mentioned a few cases in which actual intercourse had happened, though iirc that supposedly wasn't reported to the police at the time due to the victims being too traumatized.
    But it's beyond doubt that some very serious assaults happened in Cologne...and that the perpetrators will never be punished.
    Revusky in his article is really just using classic disinformation tactics of the sort commonly used by pro-immigrationist journalists: they focus all their attention on some ridiculous, irrelevant story (the supposed Murmanks riots in this case) that is easy to refute...and then claim there is nothing, nothing at all to reports about severe crimes committed by Muslim immigrants, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

    But it’s beyond doubt that some very serious assaults happened in Cologne…and that the perpetrators will never be punished.

    Nor imo is there any doubt that sections of the media/political elite actively tried to cover it up – it, together with some similar cases around the same time, sparked an extensive discussion on the establishment left at the time, iirc, between those who wanted to pretend it hadn’t happened in order to avoid having immigrants criticised and those whose feminist dogmas made that difficult for them to swallow.

    Revusky in his article is really just using classic disinformation tactics of the sort commonly used by pro-immigrationist journalists: they focus all their attention on some ridiculous, irrelevant story (the supposed Murmanks riots in this case) that is easy to refute…and then claim there is nothing, nothing at all to reports about severe crimes committed by Muslim immigrants, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

    Yes, his neat segue from debunking a trivial piece of propaganda to writing as though he had debunked the much larger Cologne story leaves him wide open to that accusation.

    On the other hand he’s certainly correct that there are many pushing dishonestly exaggerated propaganda about muslims and islam, and some of those doing so certainly have extremely noxious motivations (the US/Israeli neocon crew in particular).

    As is often the case, the truth is somewhere in the middle (the mainstream, establishment position pushed here by Revusky – “there’s nothing to see here, move on citizen” – being one extreme), but for me the priority is somehow ending mass immigration, not catching out some particular propagandists overstepping the bounds in their zeal for the cause. As I’ve noted before, 9/11 dissenters, “anti-Semites”, “islamophobes”, “homophobes” and immigration dissenters are in the end all deplorables as far as the elites are concerned, and it’s rather comical when they scratch and scrabble at each other as though they won’t all finish up in the same pot at the end.

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    On the other hand he’s certainly correct that there are many pushing dishonestly exaggerated propaganda about muslims and islam, and some of those doing so certainly have extremely noxious motivations (the US/Israeli neocon crew in particular).
     
    That's not really my impression tbh. There is propaganda against certain majority-Islamic countries...most obvious is the anti-Iranian hysteria widespread in the US that is full of bizarre misrepresentations. On the other hand, opposition to Islam and immigration of Muslims per se is a marginalized fringe position and declared to be "racist" often by exactly the same kind of people who are agitating for military interventions in the Islamic world.
    If anything, crimes committed by Muslims and other non-European immigrants are under-reported and covered up by mainstream media in Western Europe (some American outlets like Breitbart may exaggerate). The idea that there is some media campaign to vilify innocent Muslim immigrants is simply grotesque.
  62. @utu
    Revusky is a lover of abstract purity. He likes to create mathematical like notions and propositions in areas that unfortunately are not suited for such reductionism and simplification. It comes all the way from Hegel. It was in vogue among many thinkers of 19 c. and early 20 c. in the "soft fields" of science and pseudo-science who to some extent were driven by physics and mathematics envy. Otto Weininger with his calculus of feminine and masculine elements is a good example or Charles Spearman with his general intelligence factor g is another prominent example who unlike Weininger dd not have decency to commit suicide. All of them followed Hegel's dictum that if their theorizing did not fit the facts it was "the worst for the facts."

    ” It come all the way from Hegel”

    Hegel was insane and full of shit, and I could relate an incident regarding the validity of his ramblings, however don’t have the patience at this moment.
    N. was on the money.
    Authenticjazman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    PS , it means nothing , but I did at one time live five minutes from his, Hegel’s, last residence in Heidelberg

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  63. @El Dato

    The GWOT narrative was certainly prefigured well in advance, but 9/11 was really when it was rolled out for prime time.
     
    Not sure about that.

    I don't remember that it was prefigured, no-one knew about Bin Laden (sure, there was ship bombing in Yemen, Clinton cruise-missiling something, some towers in Malaysia that got bombed, but still). My impression of Afghanistan was that the Taliban were fighting against local warlords from time to time, and terrorism from the ME was not a big concern, except for Israel, who were behaving like fscking idiots as usual.

    Then the ball got rolling and Mr. Hussein suddenly got roped in heavily. But not with 9/11 but with the "Anthrax attacks" a bit later. That REALLY got the ball rolling, and evidence of administrative incompetence was quickly buried under Ricean shrieking.

    I don’t remember that it was prefigured,

    Well, there was an earlier incident involving the bombing of the very same target, the WTC. In 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

    If that’s not prefiguration, then what is? The narrative about cartoonists that culminated in the Charlie Hebdo thing was also prefigured well in advance with this strange synthetic event revolving around some cartoons in a Danish newspaper. Remember that?

    As for when they started introducing the Bin Laden bogeyman, it’s true that most people had not heard of him until the day of 9/11, but then they were broadcasting his image immediately pretty much. Nonstop. But I think the real news junkies who follow all the stuff would have been presented with this particular villain character already. But I’m not sure when he was introduced to the public. One would have to look back.

    In any case, this is not a 9/11 article. I was just making the general point that, to carefully examine the timeline of these things is a natural starting point if you want to look at any of these synthetic narratives. That’s all.

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    Was it that Osama bin Laden was introduced in the morning on NBC by the future pro consul of Iraq Paul Bremer and in UK by Ehud Barak on BBC?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrv4f6P_Ig

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRA5dgI4NJA

    However Osama bin Laden was really know in MSM already during Clinton presidency.
  64. Sparkon says:

    Any media can be faked, including video and photography, and of course, the TV. Because cameras, smart phones can be confiscated, or blocked, lack of photos or video by itself doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

    Anyway, as I’m sure you know, neither a video nor a photo is 100% iron-clad proof of anything. Both are routinely faked, or misattributed — using a photo of one thing to represent something else — but doing it perfectly may be difficult.

    Almost from the beginning, artists and photographers developed ways to create fake photographs, using paint and/or cut-outs — sometimes called “paste-ups” — and multiple negatives, and/or exposures, sometimes working on oversize enlargements.

    After the work, the photograph may be put on a copy-stand, and photographed again, usually being reduced, or “sized down” in the process. Before the digital era, this is the general way “camera-ready” art was prepared for the copy camera to create plates for offset printing.

    Now in the digital era many of these old techniques have their modern equivalents within the editing environment of such familiar applications as GIMP.

    Certainly, there should be no doubt about what Hollywood can do, if you’ve seen the top-down destruction of the Empire State Building by the hovering flying saucer in Independence Day, or the billowing dust-clouds when the onion spaceship trying to escape crashed after being shot down by a bunch of sky zappers which suddenly had it surrounded in Clone Wars, or finally — I can’t resist mentioning again — Major Kong’s ride on the bomb in Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.

    That Kubrick was quite a card, but today, even hack artists have the power to create fake imagery, sometimes called CGI, and make Porky’s pixels fly, propelled by pearls powering out the poor pig’s posterior.

    Pearls after swine, so to say.

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  65. Jonathan,

    Thanks for working to “reclaim reality.”

    We must never forget the Mossad motto, “By way. of deception thou shalt do war.”

    One matter, I did as Christopher Bollyn recommended & read Le Carre’s novel, “The Little Drummer Girl.” The book illustrates that reclaiming reality is mankind’s greatest challenge ever.

    The majority.of what Americans perceive as news is THEATER.

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    IN his foreword LeCarre wrote he spent months working with Israelis, Palestinians and German police for authenticity. The movie had the Israelis luring the girl to Greece supposedly for a well paid job in a commercial. That sounded exactly what the Israelis would do.
    , @iffen
    Chuck!

    Is it really the woodchuck?

    I thought you were in a decade hibernation.

    How're those bus wheels? Still round?

  66. utu says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I don’t remember that it was prefigured,
     
    Well, there was an earlier incident involving the bombing of the very same target, the WTC. In 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

    If that's not prefiguration, then what is? The narrative about cartoonists that culminated in the Charlie Hebdo thing was also prefigured well in advance with this strange synthetic event revolving around some cartoons in a Danish newspaper. Remember that?

    As for when they started introducing the Bin Laden bogeyman, it's true that most people had not heard of him until the day of 9/11, but then they were broadcasting his image immediately pretty much. Nonstop. But I think the real news junkies who follow all the stuff would have been presented with this particular villain character already. But I'm not sure when he was introduced to the public. One would have to look back.

    In any case, this is not a 9/11 article. I was just making the general point that, to carefully examine the timeline of these things is a natural starting point if you want to look at any of these synthetic narratives. That's all.

    Was it that Osama bin Laden was introduced in the morning on NBC by the future pro consul of Iraq Paul Bremer and in UK by Ehud Barak on BBC?

    However Osama bin Laden was really know in MSM already during Clinton presidency.

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    Was it that Osama bin Laden was introduced in the morning on NBC by the future pro consul of Iraq Paul Bremer and in UK by Ehud Barak on BBC?
     
    Well, tracing the timeline on this whole OBL narrative is of some interest, of course, but it's off-topic. The article isn't really about 9/11 per se. It's more about this deranged "Muslim Rape Army" nonsense.

    But this did remind me that I have some interesting timeline-related info regarding the origin of the term "rapefugee". Actually, you can dig it up yourself. Go on twitter and find the first usages of it and it's quite interest. You can do an advanced search and you can identify exactly when the meme was rolled out. Social engineering...
  67. @Randal

    But it’s beyond doubt that some very serious assaults happened in Cologne…and that the perpetrators will never be punished.
     
    Nor imo is there any doubt that sections of the media/political elite actively tried to cover it up - it, together with some similar cases around the same time, sparked an extensive discussion on the establishment left at the time, iirc, between those who wanted to pretend it hadn't happened in order to avoid having immigrants criticised and those whose feminist dogmas made that difficult for them to swallow.

    Revusky in his article is really just using classic disinformation tactics of the sort commonly used by pro-immigrationist journalists: they focus all their attention on some ridiculous, irrelevant story (the supposed Murmanks riots in this case) that is easy to refute…and then claim there is nothing, nothing at all to reports about severe crimes committed by Muslim immigrants, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
     
    Yes, his neat segue from debunking a trivial piece of propaganda to writing as though he had debunked the much larger Cologne story leaves him wide open to that accusation.

    On the other hand he's certainly correct that there are many pushing dishonestly exaggerated propaganda about muslims and islam, and some of those doing so certainly have extremely noxious motivations (the US/Israeli neocon crew in particular).

    As is often the case, the truth is somewhere in the middle (the mainstream, establishment position pushed here by Revusky - "there's nothing to see here, move on citizen" - being one extreme), but for me the priority is somehow ending mass immigration, not catching out some particular propagandists overstepping the bounds in their zeal for the cause. As I've noted before, 9/11 dissenters, "anti-Semites", "islamophobes", "homophobes" and immigration dissenters are in the end all deplorables as far as the elites are concerned, and it's rather comical when they scratch and scrabble at each other as though they won't all finish up in the same pot at the end.

    On the other hand he’s certainly correct that there are many pushing dishonestly exaggerated propaganda about muslims and islam, and some of those doing so certainly have extremely noxious motivations (the US/Israeli neocon crew in particular).

    That’s not really my impression tbh. There is propaganda against certain majority-Islamic countries…most obvious is the anti-Iranian hysteria widespread in the US that is full of bizarre misrepresentations. On the other hand, opposition to Islam and immigration of Muslims per se is a marginalized fringe position and declared to be “racist” often by exactly the same kind of people who are agitating for military interventions in the Islamic world.
    If anything, crimes committed by Muslims and other non-European immigrants are under-reported and covered up by mainstream media in Western Europe (some American outlets like Breitbart may exaggerate). The idea that there is some media campaign to vilify innocent Muslim immigrants is simply grotesque.

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    The idea that there is some media campaign to vilify innocent Muslim immigrants is simply grotesque.
     
    Exactly. The pro-immigrant lemmings have noticed that the public doesn't trust the (former) MSM so now they're trying to scatter that distrust everywhere. "Everyone is doing it" is a misdirection. The truth is not in the middle. It almost never is.
    , @Randal
    Yes, I agree it's not in the mainstream (the closest it gets to that is amongst the US neocons and militarists who have access to the media, and borderline outlets like Breitbart).
  68. @Linh Dinh
    Hi jacques sheete,

    The alternative media is also filled with liars and bullshitters, of course. I just got this email:


    I read Jeffrey St Clair and could not believe how stupid the standard bearers of the Left are these days. Here it is:

    For the conspiratorial Left, the Deep Staters seem to have eclipsed the 9/11 Truthers as the heralds of a new political Theory-0f-Everything. This is a welcome shift of emphasis as far as I’m concerned. Who really needs to read yet another belabored story on the demolition of WTC 7?

    I first encountered the phrase “Deep State” in the writings of the Canadian Peter Dale Scott (a fellow Eng. Lit major), though the predicate of the theory far predates Scott’s relatively docile explorations of the dark forces manipulating the secret management of the Empire. The origin myth of leftwing Deep State theory is, of course, the assassination of JFK, an act of internal regime change by a CIA hit-team orchestrated by Allen Dulles in retaliation for the president’s alleged plan to break-up the agency and yank US troops out of Vietnam. From that moment on, according Deep State theorizers, the secret government was firmly in control and no political transgressions against its agenda would be tolerated. As an omnipotent force, the existence of a Deep State satisfies the Left’s desire to rationalize its own sense of perennial powerlessness.

    Of course, I remain an unrepentant Magic Bullet man, fully persuaded that Lee Harvey Oswald, as an ardent devotee of the Cuban Revolution, had a more personal motive to kill the anti-communist Kennedy (the first neoliberal) than did fussy old Allen Dulles. With a couple miraculous shots from his Carcano Rifle, Oswald demonstrated that regime change could be a two-way street.

    Does he not know of JFK´s speech at American University in June? Does he not know Oswald´s history and his last words "I am just the patsy"? Does he not know that Building 7 fell at free fall speed for 2.5 seconds and that that can only have happened if the vertical columns were simultaneously take out by controlled demolition? Has he not read or heard the testimonies of First Responders who heard multiple explosions?

    Or is he really in on it, being financially supported be nefarious forces to destroy anti-war, anti-imperialist thought in the U.S.? Is this guy just stupid or is he paid to write this shit and hold these opinions? That is my question. Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.
     

    Linh

    Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.

    Hi Linh. You know, the above is really a kind of money quote. I mean, the dude says: “I’m an unrepentant magic bullet man”. So, the guy says openly he believes in magic, in a miracle, he is tacitly accepting the sheer implausibility (or downright impossibility) of the official story and PROUDLY proclaims that he believes it anyway.

    I mean, that’s so Orwellian doublethink-ish, you know? I mean, on one level, he all but admits that he kinda knows that it’s not true, but then says that he is a proud believer! This kind of thing is really an insight into that sort of left gatekeeper mentality, I think. He takes his capacity to do the Orwellian doublethink and delude himself and vaunts it as some kind of great virtue!

    I have made a mental note to use that in a future follow-up article. It’s an incredible insight into these people, not just that line either, but the whole passage you quoted.

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    As I now have to note in another reply to you your confidence is betrayed by a lack of attention to detail that is at odds with your intellectual pretensions.

    You have left out the caps from "Magic Bullet" without even considering (I say confidently as you don't mention it) its evidence of his subtle self-deprecation. Clearly he wasn't asserting "of course I know Kennedy just couldn't have been shot by Oswald but believe it anyway". That would have been idiotic and it takes a fair amount of idiocy or something comparable to suppose he was. More likely he was saying something like "I acknowledge all the controversy from self-proclsimed experts and the pathologically certain about it not being possible that Oswald shot Kennedy but kindly accept that what you call the Magic Bullet theory is, in the end, the most likely explanation and only possible one still standing in my honest opinion". I would indulge the light ironic touch of his shorter version.
  69. Rurik says: • Website

    well, well..

    this is a continuation of a debate I was involved with JR in on another one of his articles

    it descended into a farce where JR was demanding that I provide proof of the Cologne rapes- and if I couldn’t, then it meant that all of the (often well-documented rapes and murders of Westerners by non-Westerners, including occasionally Muslims) were all synthetic/fake news.

    I would engage with JR and anyone else regarding the merits of this debate, but then a little history is in order here…

    when I first encountered JR on Unz, I was impressed by his intelligence and skeptical bent, and I guess you could say we often agreed. So that when JR was relentless about communicating outside of Unz, I very reluctantly obliged after relentless solicitations to do so.

    But then when I openly disagreed with Jonathan, and used the kind of language he’s so fond of, he threated to ‘dox’ me (publish my private info online). It is for that reason that I will desist from this thread, as I’d prefer not to have every lunatic that reads this forum outside my front door.

    It’s all part of the record on Unz, so you can take my word for it or do the research yourself.

    regards

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    Hi-- could you or perhaps preferably someone else post the thread where this occurred, please?

    Thanks.
  70. Alden says:
    @anonymous
    Jonathan Revusky

    Let's see... This guy that believes that no planes hit the twin towers, believes that Betty Ong never existed, and will uncritically characterizes anyone who doesn't share his views (such as Fred Reed) as a lying shit-eater. He comes here after EVERY terrorist attack in Europe to say that he firmly believes it to be yet another false-flag event to make people hate muslims. He also believes a bunch of other crazy stuff, as well. He is an apologist for muslims. He is indifferent about the future of Europeans like 99% of the rest of the world, ect...

    Is he the guy who claims the Nicole Simpson Ron Goldman murders were total fakes arranged by deep state to distract the masses from whatever evil deeds the deep state was doing at the time?

    Betty Ong is from San Francisco. She had 2 parents and 3 siblings, lived in the Sunset, went to Washington high. I suppose the parents and sibs were actors and the WTC fraudsters created Betty Ong birth certificate, grade. and high school transcripts and employment records knowing that one day they would need a fake flight attendant named Betty Ong.

    From fraudulent birth certificate to fake death, a 45 year old fraud by deep state.

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  71. @utu
    Revusky is a lover of abstract purity. He likes to create mathematical like notions and propositions in areas that unfortunately are not suited for such reductionism and simplification. It comes all the way from Hegel. It was in vogue among many thinkers of 19 c. and early 20 c. in the "soft fields" of science and pseudo-science who to some extent were driven by physics and mathematics envy. Otto Weininger with his calculus of feminine and masculine elements is a good example or Charles Spearman with his general intelligence factor g is another prominent example who unlike Weininger dd not have decency to commit suicide. All of them followed Hegel's dictum that if their theorizing did not fit the facts it was "the worst for the facts."

    Revusky is a lover of abstract purity. (blah blah)

    Uhh… I don’t think so. I’m certainly not conscious of being a “lover of abstract purity”. Though, OTOH, I I have to admit that I’m not 100% sure what you even mean by that. To be honest, that sounds like what I referred to in the article as “higher order bullshit”.

    I certainly don’t see how “Revusky’s Razor” emerges from some kind of abstract pure conception of the world. The problem is that if you’ve got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It’s obviously impossible. I mean, it’s not a question of even catching a rape on camera. I mean, there should be some sort of images of some distraught women with torn clothes just after being raped or assaulted. There is simply NOTHING. It’s such a pure baldfaced hoax, it’s ridiculous. Here is a youtube commenter who put up a video about it and it’s quite extraordinary to look at the comment stream under it.

    Everybody screams and hollers but it doesn’t occur to anybody that there is a need to find some actual evidence! The discussion under the video is just extraordinary. The video creator just keeps asking these people: like, where’s the evidence? And they obviously have none and just get ever more incensed at him, insisting that the event happened.

    It provides an amazing insight into the HIQI mentality — well, just as much of the discussion right here does! This desperate need to believe something…

    But that guy put out the video a week after the event. Well over a year has gone by and no video or photos have ever become available. The reasoning of the guy in the video is completely correct. In the space where they claim this happened, it is simply impossible for there to be no photographic evidence.

    So it simply did not happen. It has nothing to do with wanting immigration or loving Muslims. The event simply did not happen. It’s a purely factual question and there’s nothing abstract or theoretical about it.

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  72. Avery says:

    [The Muslim Rape Army Is Coming to Getcha!]

    An old story about one Muslim Rape Army ‘soldier’, but very apropos.

    {‘He didn’t know the boy didn’t want to be raped’ court throws out migrant child sex charge}*
    {AN IRAQI asylum seeker who confessed to raping a 10-year-old boy in a swimming pool, claiming it was a “sexual emergency”, has had his conviction overturned}
    {In a truly shocking twist the Suptreme Court decided the grown Iraqi man may not have realised the 10-year-old did not want to be sexually abused by him.
    Amir A, 20, was visiting the Theresienbad pool in the Austrian capital of Vienna last December as part of a trip to encourage integration. }

    That’s what was reported. However the real reason the conviction was overturned was because there was no video nor pictures of the actual sexual assault. So it never happened.
    I mean, these days everybody and his brother has smartphones: how come there was no video?

    Nothing to see here: move along.

    ___________
    *

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723868/Migrant-jailed-Austria-attack-boy-10-sexual-emergency-has-conviction-OVERTURNED

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    neo-Nazi Schweinhund.
    Stalingrad Schweinhunden Fertilizer Factory calling.

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!
  73. @threestars
    "Somehow hundreds of young women were sexually assaulted in a wide open public space without anybody getting any clear video or photos of it."

    I stopped reading there. There are tens of photos, videos and witness testimonies of the Cologne attack, despite the authorities trying to keep it under lid.

    Why is this poor excuse for a worthless piece of shit (the piece of shit is better because it just sits there) writing for UNZ?

    I stopped reading there. There are tens of photos, videos and witness testimonies of the Cologne attack, despite the authorities trying to keep it under lid.

    Okay, well, the normal thing to do would be to ask you to produce some of these photos or videos, or give us a link to them. I’m going to skip that intermediate step because I know you’re just bullshitting. I’ve investigated this fully and know that the are no photos or videos.

    Sometimes, you find something where they say they have something and it’s just more bullshit. Especially if you watch the video with the sound off (so they can’t snow you with sound effects) you just see there’s nothing that shows what they say happened. Nothing.

    As for witness testimonies, there is a segment of the population that will say anything for a few bucks. There’s one girl who said she was raped and it was horrible and blah blah…. that skank wasn’t even in Cologne at the time, like was hundreds of miles away, and later admitted it.

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    Woman says she was gang-raped, got pregnant, had an abortion blah blah, is traumatized, needs help, oy vey, but she wasn’t even in Cologne on the day in question. Just bullshit.

    You see, this stuff eventually comes out, and somehow people like you manage never to know it. And then you are here claiming that photos exist without providing any link…

    The whole thing is just a cartoon. If you look into it in any serious manner, you see that it just never happened.

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    There were hundreds of reports filed with the police. Were all those people in on the conspiracy as well? I swear, sometimes this website publishes absurd conspiracy theories. I mean, Cologne denial. Really? That's a new one.
  74. Alden says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Jonathan,

    Thanks for working to "reclaim reality."

    We must never forget the Mossad motto, "By way. of deception thou shalt do war."

    One matter, I did as Christopher Bollyn recommended & read Le Carre's novel, "The Little Drummer Girl." The book illustrates that reclaiming reality is mankind's greatest challenge ever.

    The majority.of what Americans perceive as news is THEATER.

    IN his foreword LeCarre wrote he spent months working with Israelis, Palestinians and German police for authenticity. The movie had the Israelis luring the girl to Greece supposedly for a well paid job in a commercial. That sounded exactly what the Israelis would do.

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    Alden

    Thanks for paying attention tm my comment on Le Carre" book, "The Little Drummer Girl." To reiterate an important point, Christopher Bollyn discussed this book in his work, "Solving 9/11."

    Author Le Carre frequently mentioned the Zionist intelligence operative code used against top level Palestnian resistance leaders. It is, "To catch the Lion, we first must tether the goat."

    At present, the mighty U.S. Empire's military is the planet's primary predator. Such happened because Zionists "tethered" the American mind to THEATRICAL lies.
  75. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @German_reader

    On the other hand he’s certainly correct that there are many pushing dishonestly exaggerated propaganda about muslims and islam, and some of those doing so certainly have extremely noxious motivations (the US/Israeli neocon crew in particular).
     
    That's not really my impression tbh. There is propaganda against certain majority-Islamic countries...most obvious is the anti-Iranian hysteria widespread in the US that is full of bizarre misrepresentations. On the other hand, opposition to Islam and immigration of Muslims per se is a marginalized fringe position and declared to be "racist" often by exactly the same kind of people who are agitating for military interventions in the Islamic world.
    If anything, crimes committed by Muslims and other non-European immigrants are under-reported and covered up by mainstream media in Western Europe (some American outlets like Breitbart may exaggerate). The idea that there is some media campaign to vilify innocent Muslim immigrants is simply grotesque.

    The idea that there is some media campaign to vilify innocent Muslim immigrants is simply grotesque.

    Exactly. The pro-immigrant lemmings have noticed that the public doesn’t trust the (former) MSM so now they’re trying to scatter that distrust everywhere. “Everyone is doing it” is a misdirection. The truth is not in the middle. It almost never is.

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  76. @Wizard of Oz
    I trust you will excuse me reading this only once. Of course I may have missed something but I am not sure why you dismiss the (up to) 5 Arabs version as decisively as you rightly dismiss the 50+ version. My long experience of the media suggests to me that there was very likely some altercation between some local soldiers and some ME looking men which neither the night club nor the army would want to acknowledge occurred, possibly starting with slightly drunk young soldiers taking exception to the way they perceived the dark skinned foreigners were looking at Russian girls. Have you ruled that out?

    From that point you (i mean any writer with copy to file or space to fill) have the beginnings of a story which hardly even reaches the dignity of the Bullshit which you (JR) explore at length. You have shrewdly pointed to the absence of pictures as a major item of negative evidence that appies also to Cologne (but what about Tahir Square in Cairo one might object in turn). And it is equally realistic to see the figireof 51 being chosen to give greater verisimilitude than and impression of accuracy than the round number. (Many people would remember filling in tax returns and expense claims with the same thought in mind). What might have informed your article even more realistically is life experience of just how fecklessly irresponsible even supposedly important professional journalists can be. Australia's ABC has a weekly 20 minute program at 8.30pm called Media Watch in which regional and tabloid newspapers, mostly, but also commercial TV and talk back radio are shown up for shameless carelessness with facts and even inaccuracy in their plagiarism.

    My own certain knowledge can offer you the broadsheet's principal parliamentary reporter who wrote of a shadow minister's great gotcha moment about the government's failure to disclose X and do anything about it, all in the course of the late night adjournment debate. Unfortunately he had written and filed the story given to him by the shadow minister before the adjournment debate and then gone home without waiting to hear it. He therefore missed the fact that the attack fell completely flat and made the opposition shadow minister look silly because the relevant govdrnment minister was able to point to the disclosure of X the previous week and the announcement of action taken shortly afterwards.

    Then, for another typical example, there was the case of a very senior minister being forced to resign by a conscientious MP having done careful homework and then reported his findings to the government leader. An inquiring chief political reporter was given his name but he deflected inquiry by saying that, in the Westminster tradition, the Chief Whip would have marshalled the relevant information and and gone with it to the leader of the government. So a lively positive account appeared in the leading broadsheet that Jack Smith, the Chief Whip (there wasn't a whip actually known as the "Chief Whip" in that parliament) had done the homework and gone to the leader etc. I remember it well because I knew all the people concerned and remember the report two days later in which the paper apologised to Jack Smith, the government whip, for saying that he had done the whip's job when he actually hadn't stirred himself from a golfing weekend!

    I wouldn't require all journalistic error which is not merely careless to be squeezed into the categories of lies and bullshit. It can be just irresponsible story telling to fill a column or for any number of reasons, like drawing attention to oneself, that don't impinge on the fabulist's conscience (maybe because writing a luridly exaggerated story of Aboriginal drunken behaviour or Muslims' misogynistic behaviour doesn't deem to the exaggerator to have any conseqiences despite serving to confirm prejudices. That probably makes them think that if that story isn't precisely true well no doubt one they haven't reported would be much the same and true enough).

    A thoughtprovoking piece on which you have obviously burned the midnight oil.

    Of course I may have missed something but I am not sure why you dismiss the (up to) 5 Arabs version as decisively as you rightly dismiss the 50+ version.

    There is testimony from a couple of people, who were pretty clearly willing to be quoted by their full names, who said there were simply no Arabs in the club, i.e. ZERO. So the earlier version with 5 beaten up or the later version with 50 beaten up…. it doesn’t matter really. There were no Arabs in the bar.

    The route up through the Arctic apparently costs about $5000 USD. These are not the dregs of society because the dregs don’t have that kind of money. It’s middle-class people desperate to get out. I came across other articles where people are quoted as saying that these people keep to themselves but in whatever interactions they have with the local people, they are very polite and cultured. These people never go into a bar there and start grabbing pussies. It’s just a lie. It’s not a question of being a Muslim lover or anything. The whole story is just a complete calumny from start to finish.

    You have shrewdly pointed to the absence of pictures as a major item of negative evidence that appies also to Cologne (but what about Tahir Square in Cairo one might object in turn).

    Well, uh, I’m a simple-minded guy. When I looked for proof of what they say happened in Cologne, I wanted visuals from Cologne, not from Cairo or from… Timbuktu. I figure that only photos from Cologne can prove something happened in Cologne. I have seen, at times, that you make some strange arguments, but I assumed even you knew that only photos taken in Cologne could be proof of whatever they say happened in Cologne, no?

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    If you wrote less and took more time and care to read, understand, and think about what you presume to criticise your posing as an intellectual whose superciliously expressed view that another's arguments are at times "strange* would not seem as ridiculous as your errors make it.

    Your obvious misreading or misrepresentation in this case can only have proceeded from your egotistic presumption that you are right and everyone uttering something which doesn't flatter that view deserves only your patronising disdain. After all it should not be difficult to understand that

    1. I was acknowledging not only that your "no visuals" point had merit in the Russian case but could have wider validity as evidenced (scil. on your say so) of the lack of visuals from Cologne ;

    2. I was qualifying that by suggesting that there might have been an equivalent lack of visual evidence for the attacks which undoubtedly occurred in Tahrir Square so that lack of visuals might not be as strong evidence of there being no attack as it might at first sight appear to be.

    3. I said absolutely nothing which could justify your twisting of my words to mean that what went on in Tahrir Square or pictures of it could have any bearing on what happened in Cologne or its visual representation.

  77. Randal says:
    @German_reader

    On the other hand he’s certainly correct that there are many pushing dishonestly exaggerated propaganda about muslims and islam, and some of those doing so certainly have extremely noxious motivations (the US/Israeli neocon crew in particular).
     
    That's not really my impression tbh. There is propaganda against certain majority-Islamic countries...most obvious is the anti-Iranian hysteria widespread in the US that is full of bizarre misrepresentations. On the other hand, opposition to Islam and immigration of Muslims per se is a marginalized fringe position and declared to be "racist" often by exactly the same kind of people who are agitating for military interventions in the Islamic world.
    If anything, crimes committed by Muslims and other non-European immigrants are under-reported and covered up by mainstream media in Western Europe (some American outlets like Breitbart may exaggerate). The idea that there is some media campaign to vilify innocent Muslim immigrants is simply grotesque.

    Yes, I agree it’s not in the mainstream (the closest it gets to that is amongst the US neocons and militarists who have access to the media, and borderline outlets like Breitbart).

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  78. @utu
    Was it that Osama bin Laden was introduced in the morning on NBC by the future pro consul of Iraq Paul Bremer and in UK by Ehud Barak on BBC?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYrv4f6P_Ig

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRA5dgI4NJA

    However Osama bin Laden was really know in MSM already during Clinton presidency.

    Was it that Osama bin Laden was introduced in the morning on NBC by the future pro consul of Iraq Paul Bremer and in UK by Ehud Barak on BBC?

    Well, tracing the timeline on this whole OBL narrative is of some interest, of course, but it’s off-topic. The article isn’t really about 9/11 per se. It’s more about this deranged “Muslim Rape Army” nonsense.

    But this did remind me that I have some interesting timeline-related info regarding the origin of the term “rapefugee”. Actually, you can dig it up yourself. Go on twitter and find the first usages of it and it’s quite interest. You can do an advanced search and you can identify exactly when the meme was rolled out. Social engineering…

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  79. @The Alarmist
    I'll buy that the Murmansk story is BS for two reasons:

    1) The Russian border force is more discerning in who they let into the country than their Euro counterparts, and the Russian police take far less shit from immigrant offenders than their Euro counterparts; and

    2) The MRA are too busy in places like Malmo, Stockholm, Cologne, etc. to be bothered to even attempt to get to Murmansk, though the local girls look like they are worth the trip.

    The MRA are too busy in places like Malmo, Stockholm, Cologne, etc.

    Dude, I can imagine this is going to come as a great disappointment to you, perhaps even exceeding when you learned that there was no Santa Claus, but….

    THERE IS NO MUSLIM RAPE ARMY!!!!

    Okay? It doesn’t exist! It’s just a cartoon. It’s a deranged racist fantasy. You really think that there are mobs of Muslim males in wide open public spaces with CCTV all over the place dragging off women and raping them?

    And that this is some part of Muslim culture, rape as some sort of exhibitionist display there… I see that you guys exist in an echo chamber where everybody repeats this nonsense and it becomes “true” but it’s just nonsense. Breitbart and Pamela Geller and all the rest of it..

    For example, look…. this last New Year’s, I had dinner with some people I know, a family, a middle-aged couple with a teenage daughter. The man said he had a job opportunity in Germany, was possibly moving there for a couple of years. His wife is still fairly attractive…. his daughter is teenaged. Hey, if the MRA stories were all true, he himself should worry… but nobody mentioned it…

    “Oh, I got a job possibility, but I’m so worried that we’ll all run into the Muslim Rape Army”.

    “Yeah, man, that sounds like a real pain in the ass…”

    You can go to any travel agency here, near where I live (in Spain) and shop for a trip to Germany for a holiday and I am pretty sure that the travel agent never says: “Germany is a nice country but watch out for the MUSLIM RAPE ARMY”.

    The government has never given a travel advisory, as far as I know, telling people here not to visit Germany because there’s a MUSLIM RAPE ARMY running around.

    The whole thing only exists in a racist right-wing echo chamber that you guys have collectively constructed. Monsters from the id…

    Now, there are crimes, sure. Even some rapes happen, but not en masse in wide open spaces like the main train station of a major city! There are 80 million people in Germany, sure, there are crimes, but it’s also not a dangerous country. You would have to be pretty unlucky for very much to happen to you in Germany.

    This is all just complete bullshit, guys. Get a f***ing grip.

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    • Replies: @German_reader

    There are 80 million people in Germany, sure, there are crimes, but it’s also not a dangerous country.
     
    It's admittedly true that some reporting, especially on US sites like Breitbart, about the situation in Germany is exaggerated...compared to high-crime areas in the US Germany is indeed not a "dangerous country". However, even the official crime statistics for 2016 show a rise in crime, and asylum seekers are disproportionately criminal. And yes, this includes sex crimes, including especially vicious forms like random assaults in public areas and gang rapes. The absolute number of such extreme crimes is of course still comparatively low, but then it should be noted that those crimes wouldn't have happened if their perpetrators had been kept out of the country.
    Regarding Cologne: Admittedly you're right about one single allegation of rape that has been disproven (and I admit I had missed this specific story)...but such events always attract a certain amount of compulsive liars and attention-seekers who claim to have been involved even when they weren't. That still leaves hundreds of women who state they were assaulted that night (ranging from "mild" cases like groping or verbal harassment to confirmed cases of digital rape).
    And mainstream media in Germany definitely wasn't interested in exaggerating this incident (indeed they tried covering it up for a few days, and only changed course when that clearly didn't work).
    , @The Alarmist
    Dude, I live in the heart of central Europe, and while there is no officially organised MRA, there has been a distinct uptick in crime, including a lot of serious sexual offenses against women and children. Many of these have been unreported in the national press or reported with very minimal identifying detail to ostensibly protect the alleged offenders, not to mention keeping an unwanted spotlight off the growing problems created by a misguided policy of opening borders to the third world. I know people who have been victims of this crime. No, that does not prove there is an army, but it is evidence of a problem of crime that was relatively unknown when I came here twenty years ago. My wife is always amazed when, in America, the evening local news has reports of three or four murders every day. The other day she noticed more reports of murders here. There is a distinct correlation with the recent migrant wave ... that might not be evidence of causation, but you shouldn't wave it away as fantasy because it might have been misreported in one town at the end of the earth.

    BTW, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Your logic is flawed, and also, it seems, your sentiments.

  80. Maus says:
    @Immigrant from former USSR
    Esteemed Mr. Revulsky:
    Can you kindly post 200 to 500 words synopsis (abstract) of your article above.
    Or may be some of participants of the discussion would do that.
    Reading your (Mr. R's) previous articles on "Unz Review"
    I got very positive impression of your writings.

    Respectfully, I.f.f.U.

    My professor of the history of modern philosophy (roughly Descartes to Kant) required students to write no more than 200 words about any particular concept. It is surprisingly difficult to write a cogent essay of 200 words unless you have an excellent grasp of the materials.
    Here we have 11,000+ words. One is tempted to apply Ockham’s razor to conclude that more blather indicates less insight. I was willing to credit the “pictures or it didn’t happen” argument; but to then push the line that pictures are routinely faked or doctored undercuts it.
    The author used too many words to beat this donkey into doing more than he was willing or able. Sad.

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  81. Ron Unz says:
    @utu
    Revusky is a lover of abstract purity. He likes to create mathematical like notions and propositions in areas that unfortunately are not suited for such reductionism and simplification. It comes all the way from Hegel. It was in vogue among many thinkers of 19 c. and early 20 c. in the "soft fields" of science and pseudo-science who to some extent were driven by physics and mathematics envy. Otto Weininger with his calculus of feminine and masculine elements is a good example or Charles Spearman with his general intelligence factor g is another prominent example who unlike Weininger dd not have decency to commit suicide. All of them followed Hegel's dictum that if their theorizing did not fit the facts it was "the worst for the facts."

    The problem is that if you’ve got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It’s obviously impossible.

    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I’d take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his “if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos” argument about any violent event.

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    During violent events that are unexpected, most people are probably too flustered to whip out their smartphones, press all the right buttons, and begin filming away. I certainly would be.

    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I’d guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public. I’m not sure that more than a tiny handful are videoed and put up on YouTube, except, sometimes, by the foolishly vainglorious (and prepared) killers who want their fame on WorldStarHipPop. So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.

    Here’s a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?…

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    Hi Ron,

    Revusky is not talking about "any violent event" but an alleged series of sexual assaults taking place in and around a very busy train station and in front of the cathedral, all during New Year's Eve, when there were thousands of revelers all over. These marauding Muslims bring to mind the violent flash mobs of ghetto youths that have appeared in various American cities, including Philadelphia, and there are many photos of the flash mobs.

    If there were up to a thousand sexual assaults that night, in the most public places of a city during a massive celebration, then surely there would have been photos or videos of at least a few incidents or victims, no? And what about the thousands of German men who were on the streets that night? Why didn't they do anything? Didn't any of the victims had her boyfriend or husband with her? Are we to believe that Germans are so passive, they won't even intervene to an active rape in front of them?


    Linh

    , @Linh Dinh
    Hi Ron,

    For a comparison to Cologne, consider the annual bull runs in Pamplona, where each year, many women are groped. If you google San Fermin agresion sexual, many lurid photos of women being groped (or flashing) will turn up, and if you go here, there's a video of an assault from this year.


    Linh

    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.
     
    Unpersuasive regarding what point? I assume that you mean the alleged events in Cologne of the New Years before last. I will compose the rest of my response based on the assumption that this is what you mean.


    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I’d guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public.
     
    Ron, from the article:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    I worded this quite carefully. I said specifically "in a wide open space full of people". I have no idea how many of the 15,000 annual homicides in the USA meet those conditions. So you are pretty clearly engaging in spurious reasoning.

    But also, the question of having visuals consistent with the event does not relate solely to capturing the murder itself on film. If somebody walked into Grand Central Station and shot some people, I can conceive of the possibility that this is not caught on camera. However, the event does not end there. The police come. It is not certain they are all dead so the ambulances arrive with paramedics. There is some widow wailing... the whole scene....

    So the real proposition is that, also, none of that ancillary activity is caught on camera either. Nothing. It is not solely that no actual raping is caught on the camera in the Cologne event, but there is no visual of any distraught women going about with their clothes torn off, anybody showing up and trying to comfort them...

    Even just looking at the overall set of spaces where this could have happened causes very great doubts:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Where specifically did all the raping happen? Do you think any of these people insisting that this happened can even tell you where?

    A previous commenter, one "German Reader" claims that various women were "digitally raped". I guess that means somebody put a finger in the vagina. I read that somewhere too. I was thinking about it. This allegedly happened on NYE in Germany, at night. What is the average temperature at midnight, say, on New Year's in Cologne? So what is the typical attire of a German girl in the middle of the winter? How many layers of clothes is she wearing?

    I mean, just try to visualize this.... I cannot visualize the crime. It's a summer crime, Ron. The girls now where I am are all wearing very skimpy clothing. If one were that way inclined, one could get close and do a "digital rape". Almost all the girls in Cologne on a New Year's eve are wearing blue jeans, I think, jeans of some sort... And they've got layers on top, like an overcoat and so on. It's very hard to get your finger in... you-know-where.. I mean, seriously, it's a real production!

    Look, maybe you've been busy and not paying attention, but I don't think you have a grasp of the level of Islamophobic hoaxes going on. There are a couple of friends, two women in Germany, who have a hobby documenting them all. It's called hoaxmap.org. The site is in German, but just look at the main page of the site with the map. It's really very illuminating. Here are a couple of articles about it in English:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hoax-map-germany-refugees-1.3444503
    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35542304

    Some of these false stories are absolutely extraordinary. One of them is that some migrant threw a toilet out the window because a "nonbeliever" sat on it. Just think about that...

    I mean, they are testing the limits of what people will believe. Just think about what a typical toilet weighs, even leaving aside what it is connected to! Think about how strong you would have to be to pick up a toilet and throw it out the window! And then where are you going to take a dump after that!!?? LOL!!!!

    I am wondering how much of your readership would believe a story of that nature? I dunno... a significant percentage. Needless to say, it is a hoax! :-)


    So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.
     
    Well, c'mon, Ron. You know, sometimes you talk down to people in an absolutely extraordinary way. You're a smart guy, I know, but you aren't the only person with a brain in his head. I know perfectly well that, of all crime statistics, homicide totals are likely to be pretty accurate, because you need a body and the body is unambiguously alive or dead and that's that. Well, unless the victim's name is Osama bin Laden, or a case like that, then I guess you don't need a body! LOL.

    So, okay, exactly how many people were murdered is not very much in dispute, give or take a handful. I understand that, of course, so, for you to represent that you think I don't understand that, is a bit silly, I find. It's very intellectually arrogant on your part. Yes, you're smarter than most people, okay, but the gap is probably not quite as big as you think it is.

    Anyway, the total number of rapes is another kettle of fish because there are enough dubious cases. Also, you can falsely claim somebody was raped but you can't really falsely claim they were murdered. And many rapes can go unreported, so it's very problematic. So you might find me arguing that the true numbers on rapes are different from the official numbers. But not homicides.

    And, then you have things like so-called "hate crimes", which is a very nebulous concept from the get-go...


    Here’s a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?…
     
    Ron, the question is a complete non-sequitir and merely shows that you have not given the matter enough thought. You would first have to say how many murders took place in a setting equivalent to Cologne's main railway station on a New Year's Eve. That is obviously a much, much lower number.

    Also, as I pointed out earlier, the question is not solely catching the crime on film, but the aftermath as well. We should have at least have visuals of police showing up, paramedics.... If there was a mass shooting event in Grand Central Station, but zero film of police and paramedics showing up afterwards, then what? Would you think that was strange?

    With Cologne, not only is no raping caught on camera, but there is no video consistent with the immediate aftermath, some hysterical female being comforted or something like that. There is absolutely nothing.

    ANd there's other stuff that makes one tend to think it's a hoax.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    One of the most egregious cases in Cologne turned out to be a false accusation:

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    This was echoed all over the place. I had reports of this woman's rape in my facebook feed. I noticed some months afterwards that it had come out that it was a total hoax. The woman was not even in Cologne.

    Also, it appears that some elements were trying to perpetrate a similar hoax the following New Year's in Frankfurt but the authorities there squashed that:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    Now, finally, for a meta point, Ron. I have provided various different links above that anybody can look at and draw whatever conclusions. Has anybody debating with me here ever provided any evidence at all? Any link? One guy screams hysterically that I am "scum" because I am skeptical of this. Scum? At worst, I'm just wrong, that's all. But what does all this suggest to a third party observer about what is going on in this debate?
    , @Jonathan Revusky
    Oh, here's a separate question that is only peripherally related, but I thought would interest you. You earlier said that people (particularly blacks themselves) tend to drastically overestimate how many blacks there are in the U.S.

    I was wondering the same sort of question about this issue. How many Muslims do these white nationalists here think there are in Europe? The way they talk, they must think that the Muslims are close to becoming a majority or something, no? Here is a very interesting article on the estimates that people in various countries give of their own country's Muslim population:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/12/14/most-countries-hugely-overestimate-their-muslim-population-infographic/#2a0dada04112

    Isn't that something? A typical Frenchman thinks that his country is 31% Muslim and the real figure is apparently 7.5%. I mean, that's nearly a 4x overestimate. The average German thinks that Germany is 21% Muslim, when it's 5%. Again, a 4x overestimate.

    The average American thinks that the USA is 16% Muslim when it's 1%. That's a 16-fold overestimate!

    I mean, my feeling of the people I'm talking to here is that they are pretty deranged. I mean, okay, if you project existing trends forward a couple of decades, say.... but a lot of the rhetoric in the articles that you have been hosting would make a lot more sense if the Muslim populations were really far far higher than they really are. I mean, how many Muslims do the various ethno-nationalists think there are in Europe currently?

    I don't know, but in casual observation, these are not very fact-oriented people. They have a culture of just repeating things and never verifying facts, and that is one of the main real points of this article. So maybe some of them think that France is 31% Muslim currently or something?

  82. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik
    well, well..

    this is a continuation of a debate I was involved with JR in on another one of his articles

    it descended into a farce where JR was demanding that I provide proof of the Cologne rapes- and if I couldn't, then it meant that all of the (often well-documented rapes and murders of Westerners by non-Westerners, including occasionally Muslims) were all synthetic/fake news.

    I would engage with JR and anyone else regarding the merits of this debate, but then a little history is in order here...

    when I first encountered JR on Unz, I was impressed by his intelligence and skeptical bent, and I guess you could say we often agreed. So that when JR was relentless about communicating outside of Unz, I very reluctantly obliged after relentless solicitations to do so.

    But then when I openly disagreed with Jonathan, and used the kind of language he's so fond of, he threated to 'dox' me (publish my private info online). It is for that reason that I will desist from this thread, as I'd prefer not to have every lunatic that reads this forum outside my front door.

    It's all part of the record on Unz, so you can take my word for it or do the research yourself.

    regards

    Hi– could you or perhaps preferably someone else post the thread where this occurred, please?

    Thanks.

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    It's under my last article. http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/

    Read through it and you'll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.
  83. @Jonathan Revusky

    The MRA are too busy in places like Malmo, Stockholm, Cologne, etc.
     
    Dude, I can imagine this is going to come as a great disappointment to you, perhaps even exceeding when you learned that there was no Santa Claus, but....

    THERE IS NO MUSLIM RAPE ARMY!!!!

    Okay? It doesn't exist! It's just a cartoon. It's a deranged racist fantasy. You really think that there are mobs of Muslim males in wide open public spaces with CCTV all over the place dragging off women and raping them?

    And that this is some part of Muslim culture, rape as some sort of exhibitionist display there... I see that you guys exist in an echo chamber where everybody repeats this nonsense and it becomes "true" but it's just nonsense. Breitbart and Pamela Geller and all the rest of it..

    For example, look.... this last New Year's, I had dinner with some people I know, a family, a middle-aged couple with a teenage daughter. The man said he had a job opportunity in Germany, was possibly moving there for a couple of years. His wife is still fairly attractive.... his daughter is teenaged. Hey, if the MRA stories were all true, he himself should worry... but nobody mentioned it...

    "Oh, I got a job possibility, but I'm so worried that we'll all run into the Muslim Rape Army".

    "Yeah, man, that sounds like a real pain in the ass..."

    You can go to any travel agency here, near where I live (in Spain) and shop for a trip to Germany for a holiday and I am pretty sure that the travel agent never says: "Germany is a nice country but watch out for the MUSLIM RAPE ARMY".

    The government has never given a travel advisory, as far as I know, telling people here not to visit Germany because there's a MUSLIM RAPE ARMY running around.

    The whole thing only exists in a racist right-wing echo chamber that you guys have collectively constructed. Monsters from the id...

    Now, there are crimes, sure. Even some rapes happen, but not en masse in wide open spaces like the main train station of a major city! There are 80 million people in Germany, sure, there are crimes, but it's also not a dangerous country. You would have to be pretty unlucky for very much to happen to you in Germany.

    This is all just complete bullshit, guys. Get a f***ing grip.

    There are 80 million people in Germany, sure, there are crimes, but it’s also not a dangerous country.

    It’s admittedly true that some reporting, especially on US sites like Breitbart, about the situation in Germany is exaggerated…compared to high-crime areas in the US Germany is indeed not a “dangerous country”. However, even the official crime statistics for 2016 show a rise in crime, and asylum seekers are disproportionately criminal. And yes, this includes sex crimes, including especially vicious forms like random assaults in public areas and gang rapes. The absolute number of such extreme crimes is of course still comparatively low, but then it should be noted that those crimes wouldn’t have happened if their perpetrators had been kept out of the country.
    Regarding Cologne: Admittedly you’re right about one single allegation of rape that has been disproven (and I admit I had missed this specific story)…but such events always attract a certain amount of compulsive liars and attention-seekers who claim to have been involved even when they weren’t. That still leaves hundreds of women who state they were assaulted that night (ranging from “mild” cases like groping or verbal harassment to confirmed cases of digital rape).
    And mainstream media in Germany definitely wasn’t interested in exaggerating this incident (indeed they tried covering it up for a few days, and only changed course when that clearly didn’t work).

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  84. @Jonathan Revusky

    The MRA are too busy in places like Malmo, Stockholm, Cologne, etc.
     
    Dude, I can imagine this is going to come as a great disappointment to you, perhaps even exceeding when you learned that there was no Santa Claus, but....

    THERE IS NO MUSLIM RAPE ARMY!!!!

    Okay? It doesn't exist! It's just a cartoon. It's a deranged racist fantasy. You really think that there are mobs of Muslim males in wide open public spaces with CCTV all over the place dragging off women and raping them?

    And that this is some part of Muslim culture, rape as some sort of exhibitionist display there... I see that you guys exist in an echo chamber where everybody repeats this nonsense and it becomes "true" but it's just nonsense. Breitbart and Pamela Geller and all the rest of it..

    For example, look.... this last New Year's, I had dinner with some people I know, a family, a middle-aged couple with a teenage daughter. The man said he had a job opportunity in Germany, was possibly moving there for a couple of years. His wife is still fairly attractive.... his daughter is teenaged. Hey, if the MRA stories were all true, he himself should worry... but nobody mentioned it...

    "Oh, I got a job possibility, but I'm so worried that we'll all run into the Muslim Rape Army".

    "Yeah, man, that sounds like a real pain in the ass..."

    You can go to any travel agency here, near where I live (in Spain) and shop for a trip to Germany for a holiday and I am pretty sure that the travel agent never says: "Germany is a nice country but watch out for the MUSLIM RAPE ARMY".

    The government has never given a travel advisory, as far as I know, telling people here not to visit Germany because there's a MUSLIM RAPE ARMY running around.

    The whole thing only exists in a racist right-wing echo chamber that you guys have collectively constructed. Monsters from the id...

    Now, there are crimes, sure. Even some rapes happen, but not en masse in wide open spaces like the main train station of a major city! There are 80 million people in Germany, sure, there are crimes, but it's also not a dangerous country. You would have to be pretty unlucky for very much to happen to you in Germany.

    This is all just complete bullshit, guys. Get a f***ing grip.

    Dude, I live in the heart of central Europe, and while there is no officially organised MRA, there has been a distinct uptick in crime, including a lot of serious sexual offenses against women and children. Many of these have been unreported in the national press or reported with very minimal identifying detail to ostensibly protect the alleged offenders, not to mention keeping an unwanted spotlight off the growing problems created by a misguided policy of opening borders to the third world. I know people who have been victims of this crime. No, that does not prove there is an army, but it is evidence of a problem of crime that was relatively unknown when I came here twenty years ago. My wife is always amazed when, in America, the evening local news has reports of three or four murders every day. The other day she noticed more reports of murders here. There is a distinct correlation with the recent migrant wave … that might not be evidence of causation, but you shouldn’t wave it away as fantasy because it might have been misreported in one town at the end of the earth.

    BTW, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Your logic is flawed, and also, it seems, your sentiments.

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    Dude, I live in the heart of central Europe, and while there is no officially organised MRA, there has been a distinct uptick in crime,
     
    You're trying to shift the goalposts here. Nobody is saying there is no crime or even that there could have been some "uptick".

    The Muslim Rape Army narrative, specifically in Cologne, is hundreds of women being sexually assaulted in a wide open space with CCTV everywhere and hundreds of people around. The whole story appears to be a hoax.
  85. Avery says:
    @Avery
    [The Muslim Rape Army Is Coming to Getcha!]

    An old story about one Muslim Rape Army 'soldier', but very apropos.

    {‘He didn’t know the boy didn’t want to be raped’ court throws out migrant child sex charge}*
    {AN IRAQI asylum seeker who confessed to raping a 10-year-old boy in a swimming pool, claiming it was a "sexual emergency", has had his conviction overturned}
    {In a truly shocking twist the Suptreme Court decided the grown Iraqi man may not have realised the 10-year-old did not want to be sexually abused by him.
    Amir A, 20, was visiting the Theresienbad pool in the Austrian capital of Vienna last December as part of a trip to encourage integration. }

    That's what was reported. However the real reason the conviction was overturned was because there was no video nor pictures of the actual sexual assault. So it never happened.
    I mean, these days everybody and his brother has smartphones: how come there was no video?

    Nothing to see here: move along.

    ___________
    *
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723868/Migrant-jailed-Austria-attack-boy-10-sexual-emergency-has-conviction-OVERTURNED

    neo-Nazi Schweinhund.
    Stalingrad Schweinhunden Fertilizer Factory calling.

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

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  86. Selvar says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I stopped reading there. There are tens of photos, videos and witness testimonies of the Cologne attack, despite the authorities trying to keep it under lid.
     
    Okay, well, the normal thing to do would be to ask you to produce some of these photos or videos, or give us a link to them. I'm going to skip that intermediate step because I know you're just bullshitting. I've investigated this fully and know that the are no photos or videos.

    Sometimes, you find something where they say they have something and it's just more bullshit. Especially if you watch the video with the sound off (so they can't snow you with sound effects) you just see there's nothing that shows what they say happened. Nothing.

    As for witness testimonies, there is a segment of the population that will say anything for a few bucks. There's one girl who said she was raped and it was horrible and blah blah.... that skank wasn't even in Cologne at the time, like was hundreds of miles away, and later admitted it.

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    Woman says she was gang-raped, got pregnant, had an abortion blah blah, is traumatized, needs help, oy vey, but she wasn't even in Cologne on the day in question. Just bullshit.

    You see, this stuff eventually comes out, and somehow people like you manage never to know it. And then you are here claiming that photos exist without providing any link...

    The whole thing is just a cartoon. If you look into it in any serious manner, you see that it just never happened.

    There were hundreds of reports filed with the police. Were all those people in on the conspiracy as well? I swear, sometimes this website publishes absurd conspiracy theories. I mean, Cologne denial. Really? That’s a new one.

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    The only surprise about Cologne was that those reporting the assaults and sexual battery were themselves not prosecuted for causing distress to the new visitors, who clearly can't be expected to know how to behave in Western culture. They come from an eye-for-an-eye world, and we're expecting them to behave "do unto others" and "turn the other cheek."
  87. @Anon
    Hi-- could you or perhaps preferably someone else post the thread where this occurred, please?

    Thanks.

    It’s under my last article. http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/

    Read through it and you’ll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.

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    Read through it and you’ll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.
     
    No, Rurik is telling the truth. You're the one who is full of shit. You actually owe Rurik an apology for threatening to dox him after he stooped to your level and gave you a taste of your own medicine. But you're not man enough to admit it. You're a pathetic liar.
    , @anonymous
    Mr. Revusky, I just spent considerable time doing just that. But despite the length of those exchanges, they shed no light on this portion of Rurik's comment here:

    "when I first encountered JR on Unz, I was impressed by his intelligence and skeptical bent, and I guess you could say we often agreed. So that when JR was relentless about communicating outside of Unz, I very reluctantly obliged after relentless solicitations to do so.

    But then when I openly disagreed with Jonathan, and used the kind of language he’s so fond of, he threat[en]ed to ‘dox’ me (publish my private info online). .."

    Nasty, if true. I would like to know whether, in fact, you solicited private correspondence and then indicated to Rurik that you might "dox" him.

    I, too, have valued some of what you have contributed here. But based solely on your articles and how you then engage with commenters (including Mr. Unz in this current thread), you have impressed me as vain and combative. You complain about people not focusing on the articles, yet you foment and prolong vulgar, needlessly personal arguments about who has mischaracterized what, ad nauseum. Does it seem odd that so few who engage substantially can seem to stay on your side for long?

    Please reflect on whether too much of your energy here feeds a need for attention, winning arguments, and creating and hurting enemies. By addressing the "doxing" accusation, you will help me to make up my own mind.
  88. @Randal
    Lots of good stuff in here, though from my point of view it's a case of pointing the guns in the wrong direction. (The philosophical/tactical question of whether the anti-mass migration cause is better served by strict honesty or by the use of "bullshit" in response to the progressives' prolific prior use of it to get us where we are is touched on in the piece but not really resolved, imo.)

    I've always just automatically dismissed "muslim rape army" stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media. I clearly recall (though I haven't dug into it as forensically as you do with the Murmansk story here) that the Cologne stuff was not based on nothing, but upon initial reports of several women being harassed (I don't recall whether there were any actual rapes), and the story expanded from there, especially in response to attempts by the left and the mainstream media to cover it up. These were exactly the kinds of low level migrant/minority harassments all of us who live in western cities will be familiar with, and the honest amongst us will admit to. I've spoken to girls in my city who complain of personal, direct experience of low level harassment in muslim areas. It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing. The Rotherham stories were not nothing (I know Rotherham quite well, as it happens), even if they are often built up into something more than they are by those with an axe to grind. I recently read an interesting piece (in The National Interest, so obviously of questionable loyalties) from a woman linked apparently to some RAND ME program who claims to have worked very extensively with migrants, trying to argue the problem was primarily just with Afghan migrants (but implicitly admitting the existence of a problem).

    Does this kind of propaganda hyperbole help to whip up mass political support and is it a necessary counter to the other side's lies and suppression of truth, or does it discredit the cause? That's a hard question to answer imo - presumably it does both, but which does it do more? It's all very well insisting on the fundamental importance of truth, but the fact is that the liars have been winning for decades.

    It is evident that there have been extremely powerful and well placed liars engaged in imposing mass immigration upon us for decades. It is also evident that there are very powerful and well placed liars trying to whip up anti-muslim feeling for various reasons (this was a favourite tactic of Israel's partisans for a long time, and still is in many cases).

    Can we end mass immigration without collaborating with the anti-muslim sentiment and risking that agenda becoming the next disastrous pretext for the war machine? I don't know, but if we don't end mass immigration there will be no "us" (in the sense of the nations we have grown up with) to worry about the situation anyway.

    I’ve always just automatically dismissed “muslim rape army” stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media.

    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?

    It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing.

    They are “not based on nothing”. Double negative. So I parse that to mean that they “are based on something”.

    Specifically Cologne. What is it based on? I cannot find the slightest bit of credible evidence that anything happened. And I tried. What is the evidence that anything happened?

    This is not a question of whether you want immigration or not, or any of that. I said in the article that my general sympathies were with the anti-immigration position. BUT something like this fantastical Cologne story is a straight factual issue.

    Why are there no visuals?

    Why is it that a local English teacher (from Ontario, Canada) walked through the area where supposedly all this was happening and SAW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    Why is that?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax? https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    How come, if you try to figure out even where specifically any of this happened, you fail? It really can’t be visualized. Look at the space, or overall set of spaces, where it happened:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Tell me, where did all this raping take place? AND not any visuals? I tried my best to find the answer to these various questions and I ended up concluding that this was a hoax. I do not believe that there is any other conclusion that an intellectually honest person would draw.

    The Rotherham stories were not nothing

    Look, Rotherham is about a relatively small set of criminals of Pakistani descent in a completely different country. But that is an underage prostitution ring. I assume that all the sex in question occurred behind closed doors in seedy motels and so forth. And that is something that, unfortunately does happen. I have problem believing this.

    There would be a point of comparison if the Rotherham thing had happened right there in the middle of the nearest train station within clear view of hundreds of people. That is what is claimed with Cologne.

    The Cologne story is an entirely different thing. Just prima facie, this is a completely fantastical narrative. Gangs of Arabs just sexually assaulting women in a wide open public space with CCTV everywhere and everybody has a video camera in his pocket and there are ZERO visuals!

    The basic features of the Cologne story that make it so implausible are are not present with Rotherham. So I have no problem believing that Rotherham happened. It has very little to do with accepting refugees, since the people weren’t even refugees. They were a reduced group of criminals who, yes, were of Pakistani background. It’s a completely different narrative and this kind of intellectually squalid thing of saying that because Rotherham happened, that Cologne happened, conflating such two completely different things.

    But this is symptomatic of a culture of bullshit. Unfortunately, you’re bullshitting. The tortuous double-negative sentences and so on are, I think, somewhat symptomatic of it.

    Anyway, the problem with Cologne is that any serious attempt to prove to oneself that anything happened just ends up in a total dead end. Nobody in any of this discussion thread has produced any evidence for it whatsoever. And I am quite confident that they never will. They just keep claiming that it was reported by the media so it must be true. If it was not reported by the media, it would still be true because the media was covering it up presumably. You have to recognize when people have built an unfalsifiable narrative, right? If the authorities say it happened, it happened, and if they say it didn’t happen, it still happened, because the authorities are covering it up…. there is evidence, there are visuals, but the authorities aren’t letting us see them…. Bullshit…

    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I’ve looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn’t happen.

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    The video images of Lara Logan covering the mass mob in Tahrir Square do not indicate that anything was amiss. Out of view of the camera her body was being digitally penetrated, serially by many men in the mob. If this incident had happened in America, and the only evidence available was the video footage, a jury at trial would probably acquit. But tell Lara Logan that she wasn't raped. After the Tahrir Square incident she spent 4 days in the hospital, and as far as I know she has been deeply traumatized and has not retuned to her job.

    Most of the alleged sexual assaults in Cologne on that New Year's eve were alleged to be of the hand groping type. Such assaults don't rise to the level of rape but they are traumatic, terroristic, criminal and offensive. And such attacks, like the attack on Lara Logan, will not be evinced by video evidence, shot from cell phones in the dark.

    Also check out this story reported in The National Interest, an established foreign policy journal.http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506

    The author, Cheryl Benard, went to lengths to interview and verify the stories of the victims of a wave of rape attacks committed by Afghan refugees in Austria. And yes, these attacks are occurring in broad daylight with citizens around who have intervened and prevented rapes from happening.
    , @Randal

    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?
     
    I think the sentence is pretty clear. There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents. Is that really difficult for you to understand?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax?
     
    Women falsely alleging rape is a pretty commonplace event, sadly. Fantasists, paranoia and delusions, malicious attacks on particular men, blackmail attempts ... It's hardly surprising that this kind of news story would attract such.


    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I’ve looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn’t happen.
     
    Odd, because I did a quick search just now for "cologne sexual assault convictions" and came up with plenty of supporting evidence. Now I'm not interested in wasting a lot of time forensically examining the details of every story, because I clearly remember the reports at the time and I'm not yet old enough to doubt my memory that easily, and because it really isn't at all surprising that immigrants, especially muslims, will tend to engage in this kind of behaviour.

    Here, for instance, is a Reuters report on the convictions of two men, an Iraqi and an Algerian, last July:

    German court issues first convictions in Cologne mob sex attacks

    Presumably these convictions were false, in your view, because you haven't seen any video or photographic evidence of the crimes in question?

    From the Reuters report:

    "The Cologne police chief was forced to resign and women's rights activists launched the "no means no" awareness campaign after the attacks, which prompted a debate about problems arising from trying to integrate the new arrivals.

    The court said the two men along with a group of 10 to 15 other men separated two victims from one another. It added that the Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.

    The Algerian prevented a man accompanying the victim from intervening to stop the attack and asked him if he would "abandon the girl for 5,000 euros." He was found guilty of being an accessory to the sexual assault crime.
    "

    Your contention is presumably then that such well known bastions of the Alt Right as Reuters, German women's rights activists and the Cologne police chief all colluded in a plot to try to make immigrants look bad?

    And here, from the Guardian, is a report of a case where (unsurprisingly) the victims and witnesses were unable to confidently identify the alleged perpetrators (a pair of Algerian brothers allegedly part of a mob of ten who perpetrated the assault and theft, who had been caught with the victims' mobile phones in their possession - clearly not enough in itself to convict them of any crime other than handling stolen goods, but there seems no particular reason to doubt the testimony of the victims as to the events in general, though you will presumably just say "pictures, or it didn't happen").

    Cologne sexual assault case collapses

    Here's Breitbart, admittedly not the most reliable source in general, quoting some detailed statistics on the event in question which are sourced via a German webpage (I have no idea how reliable it is) to the prosecutor's office. The linked German story (here translated by Google) also mentions the obvious reason why so few of the recorded complaints would be likely to give rise to successful prosecutions:

    "Cologne Sex Attacks One Year On: 1300 Victims, Just 18 Convictions"

    "On New Year's Eve, women in Cologne were massively harassed, robbed and sexually harassed. From the very beginning, legal processing had been difficult - the conditions on the square in front of the main station were chaotic. Often victims could not identify the perpetrators.

    By December, according to the prosecutor's office 1222 criminal charges were investigated in the investigation complex, 513 of which refer to the allegation of a sexual assault. These include sexual coercion, rape and "sexually motivated" insults. 1310 people claim to have become a crime at New Year's Eve victims, at 662 it is about sexual assaults. In 28 cases, an attempted or completed rape was displayed.
    "

    And especially for you, here's a quote on Wikipedia (again a notoriously unreliable source, but hardly a famous bastion of the Alt Right, and far more likely to be covering up such events than needlessly giving them credibility), in which the new police chief of Cologne specifically refers to the video evidence you claim doesn't exist (and its limited use in these kinds of situation):

    Questioned as to why the most perpetrators in Cologne are not accused of sexual offences but of robbery and theft, Mathies replied, "It is easier to determine on the basis of video images: That person just took a cell phone away. Than: He has fingered a woman. These pictures are indeed anything but good."[47]

    It really is not remotely surprising that some young men in a foreign country and at the bottom of the social heap would engage in this kind of activity, nor that those from a muslim cultural background with very different public mores would be more likely to do so. It takes a determined ideological motivation to insist on ignoring evidence that corroborates such common sense in favour of pretending it's all some kind of propaganda lie (and supposedly perpetrated by racists and nationalists, of all people, by far the most marginalised and excluded political grouping in the countries of western Europe and the US) just because you spot some exaggerations and lies.
    , @Dissident

    Look, Rotherham is about a relatively small set of criminals of Pakistani descent in a completely different country. But that is an underage prostitution ring. I assume that all the sex in question occurred behind closed doors in seedy motels and so forth. And that is something that, unfortunately does happen. I have problem believing this.
     
    (It appears that the final sentence above was meant to have read, "I have no problem believing this.")

    Haven't you missed what was the aspect of the Rotherham affair that made it particularly remarkable and indeed egregious? Was it not fairly widely reported that the authorities-in-question were urged, lest they would appear to be "racist" or "culturally insensitive", to turn a blind eye to what were rank atrocities being perpetrated upon children? And when at least one individual was decent and brave enough to take action based upon the evidence that was before her, she was castigated and punished for doing so?
  89. @The Alarmist
    Dude, I live in the heart of central Europe, and while there is no officially organised MRA, there has been a distinct uptick in crime, including a lot of serious sexual offenses against women and children. Many of these have been unreported in the national press or reported with very minimal identifying detail to ostensibly protect the alleged offenders, not to mention keeping an unwanted spotlight off the growing problems created by a misguided policy of opening borders to the third world. I know people who have been victims of this crime. No, that does not prove there is an army, but it is evidence of a problem of crime that was relatively unknown when I came here twenty years ago. My wife is always amazed when, in America, the evening local news has reports of three or four murders every day. The other day she noticed more reports of murders here. There is a distinct correlation with the recent migrant wave ... that might not be evidence of causation, but you shouldn't wave it away as fantasy because it might have been misreported in one town at the end of the earth.

    BTW, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Your logic is flawed, and also, it seems, your sentiments.

    Dude, I live in the heart of central Europe, and while there is no officially organised MRA, there has been a distinct uptick in crime,

    You’re trying to shift the goalposts here. Nobody is saying there is no crime or even that there could have been some “uptick”.

    The Muslim Rape Army narrative, specifically in Cologne, is hundreds of women being sexually assaulted in a wide open space with CCTV everywhere and hundreds of people around. The whole story appears to be a hoax.

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    The CCTV cameras are controlled by those who have a vested interest in killing the story.

    Again, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
  90. @Selvar
    There were hundreds of reports filed with the police. Were all those people in on the conspiracy as well? I swear, sometimes this website publishes absurd conspiracy theories. I mean, Cologne denial. Really? That's a new one.

    The only surprise about Cologne was that those reporting the assaults and sexual battery were themselves not prosecuted for causing distress to the new visitors, who clearly can’t be expected to know how to behave in Western culture. They come from an eye-for-an-eye world, and we’re expecting them to behave “do unto others” and “turn the other cheek.”

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  91. @Jonathan Revusky

    Dude, I live in the heart of central Europe, and while there is no officially organised MRA, there has been a distinct uptick in crime,
     
    You're trying to shift the goalposts here. Nobody is saying there is no crime or even that there could have been some "uptick".

    The Muslim Rape Army narrative, specifically in Cologne, is hundreds of women being sexually assaulted in a wide open space with CCTV everywhere and hundreds of people around. The whole story appears to be a hoax.

    The CCTV cameras are controlled by those who have a vested interest in killing the story.

    Again, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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    The CCTV cameras are controlled by those who have a vested interest in killing the story.
     
    First, could you explain to me why the above is not a "conspiracy theory"?

    Second of all, what are they to do about all the people around who can film it on their cell phones?

    Third of all, don't you see any problem with erecting some argument that is unfalsifiable? You know, there is CCTV footage so it happened. There is no CCTV footage, so the authorities are suppressing it for some nefarious reason, but the shit happened...
  92. @Astuteobservor II

    acknowledged
     
    hahahahahahahahahaaaa thinking that any or all newspapers got any authority over facts. the problem with all media was and is that the readers can never tell which is real or fake(propaganda). this has been true since the invention of newspapers, radio, tv and internet. even a place like 4chan got taken over. that means any and all news can be taken over. it is just that some of us has finally woken up to this fact. even unz review can become a target for take over once it gets popular enough.

    You’re missing the point. This guy was trying to dismiss what happened simply because far right people/outlets talked about it alot. Well, if that were true, why did liberal outlets?

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    what point? it is just a single point out of this entire super long article :)

    you are missing all other points. you went emo the moment he mentioned far right :)
  93. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    The problem is that if you’ve got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It’s obviously impossible.
     
    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I'd take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his "if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos" argument about any violent event.

    Well, I'm skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    During violent events that are unexpected, most people are probably too flustered to whip out their smartphones, press all the right buttons, and begin filming away. I certainly would be.

    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I'd guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public. I'm not sure that more than a tiny handful are videoed and put up on YouTube, except, sometimes, by the foolishly vainglorious (and prepared) killers who want their fame on WorldStarHipPop. So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.

    Here's a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?...

    Hi Ron,

    Revusky is not talking about “any violent event” but an alleged series of sexual assaults taking place in and around a very busy train station and in front of the cathedral, all during New Year’s Eve, when there were thousands of revelers all over. These marauding Muslims bring to mind the violent flash mobs of ghetto youths that have appeared in various American cities, including Philadelphia, and there are many photos of the flash mobs.

    If there were up to a thousand sexual assaults that night, in the most public places of a city during a massive celebration, then surely there would have been photos or videos of at least a few incidents or victims, no? And what about the thousands of German men who were on the streets that night? Why didn’t they do anything? Didn’t any of the victims had her boyfriend or husband with her? Are we to believe that Germans are so passive, they won’t even intervene to an active rape in front of them?

    Linh

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    Revusky is not talking about “any violent event”...
     
    He sure isn't. I'm amazed that someone would think that some random, isolated murder or rape, even in a public place, would in any way be productive of the documentation that would likely occur with a mass incident these days.

    JR is definitely on target with this one, and this is a well written piece that in many ways was quite clever and highly readable despite the length. However, he should have provided an abstract tho for those who were disinclined to read such a long piece.
    , @Avery
    {....and there are many photos of the flash mobs. }

    Really?

    Let's see you produce pics or vids of the 40-60 teenagers who swarmed* the BART train and robbed the passengers. Obviously, BART CCTV captured the robbery, but for political reasons, the vids of the perps are being suppressed.

    I imagine the same thing goes on in Germany. Even worse.
    German government wants to maintain the fiction that Islamist invaders are not criminals. Wouldn't they do everything they can to suppress any vids of sexual molestation or assaults?

    OK, then how come there are no vids from private smartphones uploaded to Youtube of the BART robbery?
    How do you explain that?
    The BART robbery obviously took place: right?
    So where are the vids?

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    http://kron4.com/2017/04/24/hoards-of-crazed-teens-beat-rob-oakland-bart-passengers-in-apparent-orchestrated-attack/
  94. Even if the German government wanted to exaggerate the attacks, would evidence of rapes be made public? My guess is that the rapists didn’t film themselves, and I wouldn’t think that many people who weren’t involved would stand around and gather evidence. The women who were raped and accosted where probably picked because they were easy to isolate, and anyone trying to film or photograph would have been in a similarly vulnerable situation. Otherwise, the main evidence would be in the hands of the Koln police/government, which was in denial mode from the beginning.

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  95. @Linh Dinh
    Hi Ron,

    Revusky is not talking about "any violent event" but an alleged series of sexual assaults taking place in and around a very busy train station and in front of the cathedral, all during New Year's Eve, when there were thousands of revelers all over. These marauding Muslims bring to mind the violent flash mobs of ghetto youths that have appeared in various American cities, including Philadelphia, and there are many photos of the flash mobs.

    If there were up to a thousand sexual assaults that night, in the most public places of a city during a massive celebration, then surely there would have been photos or videos of at least a few incidents or victims, no? And what about the thousands of German men who were on the streets that night? Why didn't they do anything? Didn't any of the victims had her boyfriend or husband with her? Are we to believe that Germans are so passive, they won't even intervene to an active rape in front of them?


    Linh

    Revusky is not talking about “any violent event”…

    He sure isn’t. I’m amazed that someone would think that some random, isolated murder or rape, even in a public place, would in any way be productive of the documentation that would likely occur with a mass incident these days.

    JR is definitely on target with this one, and this is a well written piece that in many ways was quite clever and highly readable despite the length. However, he should have provided an abstract tho for those who were disinclined to read such a long piece.

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  96. I don’t much care about whether Muslims are rapists or not.

    I think there are some Muslim men who act unruly, but THAT is not the main issue.

    Even if every Muslim guy was totally well-behaved, they are where they don’t belong.

    If I barge onto your property, my behavior is irrelevant. The fact is I trespassed into your turf and am effectively laying claim as a squatter.

    So, the very presence of large number of foreigners is a threat. It doesn’t matter whether they raped or not.

    This is where the Right has failed. They oppose Muslim Migration on the basis that Muslims are rapist or terrorist. Some are, but most are not. The real threat is demographic, racial, and cultural.
    Too many of these buggers will change the West.

    So, the main argument against immigration must be nationalist and race-ist(meaning the patriotic right to preserve homelands for their native ethnic groups), not behaviorist. It is their intrusive presence, not their behavior, that is the key issue.

    After all, using the terrorist-and-rapist argument, limitless numbers of Chinese should enter since they don’t blow things up or commit lots of sex crimes. But too many Chinese will turn UK into Chinatown, not Britain. Chinese said Brits had to leave Shanghai and then Hong Kong. OKAY. Then, foreigners must leave UK too.

    As for sexual threat, it is black Africans who pose main threat. And even though there are rapes and assaults, the much bigger threat is Jungle Fever among white women and ACOWW.

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  97. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    The problem is that if you’ve got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It’s obviously impossible.
     
    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I'd take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his "if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos" argument about any violent event.

    Well, I'm skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    During violent events that are unexpected, most people are probably too flustered to whip out their smartphones, press all the right buttons, and begin filming away. I certainly would be.

    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I'd guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public. I'm not sure that more than a tiny handful are videoed and put up on YouTube, except, sometimes, by the foolishly vainglorious (and prepared) killers who want their fame on WorldStarHipPop. So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.

    Here's a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?...

    Hi Ron,

    For a comparison to Cologne, consider the annual bull runs in Pamplona, where each year, many women are groped. If you google San Fermin agresion sexual, many lurid photos of women being groped (or flashing) will turn up, and if you go here, there’s a video of an assault from this year.

    Linh

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  98. @Linh Dinh
    Hi jacques sheete,

    The alternative media is also filled with liars and bullshitters, of course. I just got this email:


    I read Jeffrey St Clair and could not believe how stupid the standard bearers of the Left are these days. Here it is:

    For the conspiratorial Left, the Deep Staters seem to have eclipsed the 9/11 Truthers as the heralds of a new political Theory-0f-Everything. This is a welcome shift of emphasis as far as I’m concerned. Who really needs to read yet another belabored story on the demolition of WTC 7?

    I first encountered the phrase “Deep State” in the writings of the Canadian Peter Dale Scott (a fellow Eng. Lit major), though the predicate of the theory far predates Scott’s relatively docile explorations of the dark forces manipulating the secret management of the Empire. The origin myth of leftwing Deep State theory is, of course, the assassination of JFK, an act of internal regime change by a CIA hit-team orchestrated by Allen Dulles in retaliation for the president’s alleged plan to break-up the agency and yank US troops out of Vietnam. From that moment on, according Deep State theorizers, the secret government was firmly in control and no political transgressions against its agenda would be tolerated. As an omnipotent force, the existence of a Deep State satisfies the Left’s desire to rationalize its own sense of perennial powerlessness.

    Of course, I remain an unrepentant Magic Bullet man, fully persuaded that Lee Harvey Oswald, as an ardent devotee of the Cuban Revolution, had a more personal motive to kill the anti-communist Kennedy (the first neoliberal) than did fussy old Allen Dulles. With a couple miraculous shots from his Carcano Rifle, Oswald demonstrated that regime change could be a two-way street.

    Does he not know of JFK´s speech at American University in June? Does he not know Oswald´s history and his last words "I am just the patsy"? Does he not know that Building 7 fell at free fall speed for 2.5 seconds and that that can only have happened if the vertical columns were simultaneously take out by controlled demolition? Has he not read or heard the testimonies of First Responders who heard multiple explosions?

    Or is he really in on it, being financially supported be nefarious forces to destroy anti-war, anti-imperialist thought in the U.S.? Is this guy just stupid or is he paid to write this shit and hold these opinions? That is my question. Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.
     

    Linh

    Is this guy just stupid or is he paid to write this shit and hold these opinions?

    Could be both. I’m convinced that most of those goons just write anything that they think will sell. It really doesn’t matter what they write since in this idiot society garbage sells.

    Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.

    No pride, no brains, complete moron in wacko world. And the beat goes on…

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  99. @Ron Unz

    The problem is that if you’ve got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It’s obviously impossible.
     
    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I'd take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his "if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos" argument about any violent event.

    Well, I'm skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    During violent events that are unexpected, most people are probably too flustered to whip out their smartphones, press all the right buttons, and begin filming away. I certainly would be.

    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I'd guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public. I'm not sure that more than a tiny handful are videoed and put up on YouTube, except, sometimes, by the foolishly vainglorious (and prepared) killers who want their fame on WorldStarHipPop. So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.

    Here's a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?...

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    Unpersuasive regarding what point? I assume that you mean the alleged events in Cologne of the New Years before last. I will compose the rest of my response based on the assumption that this is what you mean.

    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I’d guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public.

    Ron, from the article:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    I worded this quite carefully. I said specifically “in a wide open space full of people”. I have no idea how many of the 15,000 annual homicides in the USA meet those conditions. So you are pretty clearly engaging in spurious reasoning.

    But also, the question of having visuals consistent with the event does not relate solely to capturing the murder itself on film. If somebody walked into Grand Central Station and shot some people, I can conceive of the possibility that this is not caught on camera. However, the event does not end there. The police come. It is not certain they are all dead so the ambulances arrive with paramedics. There is some widow wailing… the whole scene….

    So the real proposition is that, also, none of that ancillary activity is caught on camera either. Nothing. It is not solely that no actual raping is caught on the camera in the Cologne event, but there is no visual of any distraught women going about with their clothes torn off, anybody showing up and trying to comfort them…

    Even just looking at the overall set of spaces where this could have happened causes very great doubts:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Where specifically did all the raping happen? Do you think any of these people insisting that this happened can even tell you where?

    A previous commenter, one “German Reader” claims that various women were “digitally raped”. I guess that means somebody put a finger in the vagina. I read that somewhere too. I was thinking about it. This allegedly happened on NYE in Germany, at night. What is the average temperature at midnight, say, on New Year’s in Cologne? So what is the typical attire of a German girl in the middle of the winter? How many layers of clothes is she wearing?

    I mean, just try to visualize this…. I cannot visualize the crime. It’s a summer crime, Ron. The girls now where I am are all wearing very skimpy clothing. If one were that way inclined, one could get close and do a “digital rape”. Almost all the girls in Cologne on a New Year’s eve are wearing blue jeans, I think, jeans of some sort… And they’ve got layers on top, like an overcoat and so on. It’s very hard to get your finger in… you-know-where.. I mean, seriously, it’s a real production!

    Look, maybe you’ve been busy and not paying attention, but I don’t think you have a grasp of the level of Islamophobic hoaxes going on. There are a couple of friends, two women in Germany, who have a hobby documenting them all. It’s called hoaxmap.org. The site is in German, but just look at the main page of the site with the map. It’s really very illuminating. Here are a couple of articles about it in English:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hoax-map-germany-refugees-1.3444503

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35542304

    Some of these false stories are absolutely extraordinary. One of them is that some migrant threw a toilet out the window because a “nonbeliever” sat on it. Just think about that…

    I mean, they are testing the limits of what people will believe. Just think about what a typical toilet weighs, even leaving aside what it is connected to! Think about how strong you would have to be to pick up a toilet and throw it out the window! And then where are you going to take a dump after that!!?? LOL!!!!

    I am wondering how much of your readership would believe a story of that nature? I dunno… a significant percentage. Needless to say, it is a hoax! :-)

    So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.

    Well, c’mon, Ron. You know, sometimes you talk down to people in an absolutely extraordinary way. You’re a smart guy, I know, but you aren’t the only person with a brain in his head. I know perfectly well that, of all crime statistics, homicide totals are likely to be pretty accurate, because you need a body and the body is unambiguously alive or dead and that’s that. Well, unless the victim’s name is Osama bin Laden, or a case like that, then I guess you don’t need a body! LOL.

    So, okay, exactly how many people were murdered is not very much in dispute, give or take a handful. I understand that, of course, so, for you to represent that you think I don’t understand that, is a bit silly, I find. It’s very intellectually arrogant on your part. Yes, you’re smarter than most people, okay, but the gap is probably not quite as big as you think it is.

    Anyway, the total number of rapes is another kettle of fish because there are enough dubious cases. Also, you can falsely claim somebody was raped but you can’t really falsely claim they were murdered. And many rapes can go unreported, so it’s very problematic. So you might find me arguing that the true numbers on rapes are different from the official numbers. But not homicides.

    And, then you have things like so-called “hate crimes”, which is a very nebulous concept from the get-go…

    Here’s a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?…

    Ron, the question is a complete non-sequitir and merely shows that you have not given the matter enough thought. You would first have to say how many murders took place in a setting equivalent to Cologne’s main railway station on a New Year’s Eve. That is obviously a much, much lower number.

    Also, as I pointed out earlier, the question is not solely catching the crime on film, but the aftermath as well. We should have at least have visuals of police showing up, paramedics…. If there was a mass shooting event in Grand Central Station, but zero film of police and paramedics showing up afterwards, then what? Would you think that was strange?

    With Cologne, not only is no raping caught on camera, but there is no video consistent with the immediate aftermath, some hysterical female being comforted or something like that. There is absolutely nothing.

    ANd there’s other stuff that makes one tend to think it’s a hoax.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    One of the most egregious cases in Cologne turned out to be a false accusation:

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    This was echoed all over the place. I had reports of this woman’s rape in my facebook feed. I noticed some months afterwards that it had come out that it was a total hoax. The woman was not even in Cologne.

    Also, it appears that some elements were trying to perpetrate a similar hoax the following New Year’s in Frankfurt but the authorities there squashed that:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    Now, finally, for a meta point, Ron. I have provided various different links above that anybody can look at and draw whatever conclusions. Has anybody debating with me here ever provided any evidence at all? Any link? One guy screams hysterically that I am “scum” because I am skeptical of this. Scum? At worst, I’m just wrong, that’s all. But what does all this suggest to a third party observer about what is going on in this debate?

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    One of them is that some migrant threw a toilet out the window because a “nonbeliever” sat on it.
     
    Yeah, that's just the usual shit mainstream journos in Germany like to bring as well..."OMG, look at those dumb racists on their social media networks - they're actually claiming refugees are stealing horses to butcher them!" (or some similarly ridiculous nonsense). Or at least they liked to do that in late 2015/early 2016 - since then the rise in crime clearly connected to the "refugee" influx has been somewhat too obvious (and confirmed by crime statistics as well) for such tactics to work. In any case it's a transparent attempt to delegitimize criticism of mass immigration by selectively focusing on a few dumb or easily refuted claims by anti-immigrationists.
    Regarding Cologne: Why should this "Marcia Adair" person considered to be more credible than the hundreds of witnesses testifying to the reality of assaults in Cologne? Who knows, maybe she's just an attention-seeking "antiracist" leftie and wasn't even there. As for that lying 18-year old whose rape allegations have been disproven: It should be noted that the claims by that woman only came up months later, and were quickly shown to be false by police...the same obviously isn't true for the hundreds of reports to police filed in the first days of January. Unless you can show that all of those reports, witness statements etc. are lies, you don't have much of an argument.
    And all your ranting about "Islamophobia" really makes me wonder about your motivation...Holocaust denial, 9/11 trutherism, now claiming nothing happened at Cologne...maybe "USSR Andy" above was on to something. Someone should investigate your background, maybe you're a Saudi agent of influence who's trying to spread disinformation.
    , @The Alarmist
    Man, you are a verbose MRA-denier.

    First of all, point a camera at a group of rambunctious migrant youth anywhere in the world and see what happens to you. If they are comitting sexual battery, they're almost certainly going to keep cameras out of range, which is why you don't see videos of a full-on act, but you do hear from a distance the shouts of women screaming "No" and "You can't touch me like that!" Again, not explicit evidence of a crime, much less a MRA, but a strong indicator that something is not quite right. You do see videos of migrants acting in concert in a number of acts, but no, not the specific offence you claim is a hoax.

    You are quite quick to call me a conspiracy theorist, but you have essentially said that several hundred women acted in concert to report sexual assaults by the MRA ... sorry, the alleged offending guests. That strikes me as the mother of all conspiracy theories.

    The average temperature that time of year is about 4 degrees C, or about 39F ... not bikini weather, but short skirts wouldn't be out of order in a first-world city on New Years eve. Most western men would enjoy the show, but would play by western rules and only touch with consent, implied or otherwise.

    As for your conjecture that surely German men wouldn't stand by and merely watch, enjoy this little gem ....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aW8pa1Ocps


    I really enjoy the term MRA ... it might not actually exist as a cohesive fighting unit, but the term pithily captures the spirit of the movement it describes. Well done, Revusky!

    , @L.K
    J.R:

    Ron, the question is a complete non-sequitir and merely shows that you have not given the matter enough thought. You would first have to say how many murders took place in a setting equivalent to Cologne’s main railway station on a New Year’s Eve. That is obviously a much, much lower number.

    Also, as I pointed out earlier, the question is not solely catching the crime on film, but the aftermath as well.
     
    This is just part of the problem with Unz's straw man challenge;
    The alleged mass sexual assaults taking place in Cologne’s main railway station on New Year’s Eve, in terms of the chances of it being captured on cell phones cameras, is a lot more similar with large scale street brawls or looting, than shootings.

    I mean, if you are nearby with your cell and bullets start flying, one is indeed less likely to stick around & film, even from a distance, given that bullets have a tendency to hit people even if they not so close to the shootout;

    If I'm close to a large brawl, I'm likely to stick around and watch or film it, as I have done before, but if a shootout occurs, no way...

    So, the thing in Cologne is more like if you said that there had been major brawls in public places during the Euro 16, but could find no footage to confirm it.
    Obviously, there is plenty, including cell phone made, such as
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l3ZSppq6fg
  100. @The Alarmist
    The CCTV cameras are controlled by those who have a vested interest in killing the story.

    Again, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    The CCTV cameras are controlled by those who have a vested interest in killing the story.

    First, could you explain to me why the above is not a “conspiracy theory”?

    Second of all, what are they to do about all the people around who can film it on their cell phones?

    Third of all, don’t you see any problem with erecting some argument that is unfalsifiable? You know, there is CCTV footage so it happened. There is no CCTV footage, so the authorities are suppressing it for some nefarious reason, but the shit happened…

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    Dude, your logic is really all over the place. Just because something is a conspiracy theory does not mean it can't be fact.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scaSu1CvHhU
  101. Avery says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Hi Ron,

    Revusky is not talking about "any violent event" but an alleged series of sexual assaults taking place in and around a very busy train station and in front of the cathedral, all during New Year's Eve, when there were thousands of revelers all over. These marauding Muslims bring to mind the violent flash mobs of ghetto youths that have appeared in various American cities, including Philadelphia, and there are many photos of the flash mobs.

    If there were up to a thousand sexual assaults that night, in the most public places of a city during a massive celebration, then surely there would have been photos or videos of at least a few incidents or victims, no? And what about the thousands of German men who were on the streets that night? Why didn't they do anything? Didn't any of the victims had her boyfriend or husband with her? Are we to believe that Germans are so passive, they won't even intervene to an active rape in front of them?


    Linh

    {….and there are many photos of the flash mobs. }

    Really?

    Let’s see you produce pics or vids of the 40-60 teenagers who swarmed* the BART train and robbed the passengers. Obviously, BART CCTV captured the robbery, but for political reasons, the vids of the perps are being suppressed.

    I imagine the same thing goes on in Germany. Even worse.
    German government wants to maintain the fiction that Islamist invaders are not criminals. Wouldn’t they do everything they can to suppress any vids of sexual molestation or assaults?

    OK, then how come there are no vids from private smartphones uploaded to Youtube of the BART robbery?
    How do you explain that?
    The BART robbery obviously took place: right?
    So where are the vids?

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  102. Daniel H says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I’ve always just automatically dismissed “muslim rape army” stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media.
     
    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?


    It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing.
     
    They are "not based on nothing". Double negative. So I parse that to mean that they "are based on something".

    Specifically Cologne. What is it based on? I cannot find the slightest bit of credible evidence that anything happened. And I tried. What is the evidence that anything happened?

    This is not a question of whether you want immigration or not, or any of that. I said in the article that my general sympathies were with the anti-immigration position. BUT something like this fantastical Cologne story is a straight factual issue.

    Why are there no visuals?

    Why is it that a local English teacher (from Ontario, Canada) walked through the area where supposedly all this was happening and SAW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    Why is that?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax? https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    How come, if you try to figure out even where specifically any of this happened, you fail? It really can't be visualized. Look at the space, or overall set of spaces, where it happened:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Tell me, where did all this raping take place? AND not any visuals? I tried my best to find the answer to these various questions and I ended up concluding that this was a hoax. I do not believe that there is any other conclusion that an intellectually honest person would draw.

    The Rotherham stories were not nothing
     
    Look, Rotherham is about a relatively small set of criminals of Pakistani descent in a completely different country. But that is an underage prostitution ring. I assume that all the sex in question occurred behind closed doors in seedy motels and so forth. And that is something that, unfortunately does happen. I have problem believing this.

    There would be a point of comparison if the Rotherham thing had happened right there in the middle of the nearest train station within clear view of hundreds of people. That is what is claimed with Cologne.

    The Cologne story is an entirely different thing. Just prima facie, this is a completely fantastical narrative. Gangs of Arabs just sexually assaulting women in a wide open public space with CCTV everywhere and everybody has a video camera in his pocket and there are ZERO visuals!

    The basic features of the Cologne story that make it so implausible are are not present with Rotherham. So I have no problem believing that Rotherham happened. It has very little to do with accepting refugees, since the people weren't even refugees. They were a reduced group of criminals who, yes, were of Pakistani background. It's a completely different narrative and this kind of intellectually squalid thing of saying that because Rotherham happened, that Cologne happened, conflating such two completely different things.

    But this is symptomatic of a culture of bullshit. Unfortunately, you're bullshitting. The tortuous double-negative sentences and so on are, I think, somewhat symptomatic of it.

    Anyway, the problem with Cologne is that any serious attempt to prove to oneself that anything happened just ends up in a total dead end. Nobody in any of this discussion thread has produced any evidence for it whatsoever. And I am quite confident that they never will. They just keep claiming that it was reported by the media so it must be true. If it was not reported by the media, it would still be true because the media was covering it up presumably. You have to recognize when people have built an unfalsifiable narrative, right? If the authorities say it happened, it happened, and if they say it didn't happen, it still happened, because the authorities are covering it up.... there is evidence, there are visuals, but the authorities aren't letting us see them.... Bullshit...

    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I've looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn't happen.

    The video images of Lara Logan covering the mass mob in Tahrir Square do not indicate that anything was amiss. Out of view of the camera her body was being digitally penetrated, serially by many men in the mob. If this incident had happened in America, and the only evidence available was the video footage, a jury at trial would probably acquit. But tell Lara Logan that she wasn’t raped. After the Tahrir Square incident she spent 4 days in the hospital, and as far as I know she has been deeply traumatized and has not retuned to her job.

    Most of the alleged sexual assaults in Cologne on that New Year’s eve were alleged to be of the hand groping type. Such assaults don’t rise to the level of rape but they are traumatic, terroristic, criminal and offensive. And such attacks, like the attack on Lara Logan, will not be evinced by video evidence, shot from cell phones in the dark.

    Also check out this story reported in The National Interest, an established foreign policy journal.http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ive-worked-refugees-decades-europes-afghan-crime-wave-mind-21506

    The author, Cheryl Benard, went to lengths to interview and verify the stories of the victims of a wave of rape attacks committed by Afghan refugees in Austria. And yes, these attacks are occurring in broad daylight with citizens around who have intervened and prevented rapes from happening.

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  103. @Jonathan Revusky

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.
     
    Unpersuasive regarding what point? I assume that you mean the alleged events in Cologne of the New Years before last. I will compose the rest of my response based on the assumption that this is what you mean.


    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I’d guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public.
     
    Ron, from the article:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    I worded this quite carefully. I said specifically "in a wide open space full of people". I have no idea how many of the 15,000 annual homicides in the USA meet those conditions. So you are pretty clearly engaging in spurious reasoning.

    But also, the question of having visuals consistent with the event does not relate solely to capturing the murder itself on film. If somebody walked into Grand Central Station and shot some people, I can conceive of the possibility that this is not caught on camera. However, the event does not end there. The police come. It is not certain they are all dead so the ambulances arrive with paramedics. There is some widow wailing... the whole scene....

    So the real proposition is that, also, none of that ancillary activity is caught on camera either. Nothing. It is not solely that no actual raping is caught on the camera in the Cologne event, but there is no visual of any distraught women going about with their clothes torn off, anybody showing up and trying to comfort them...

    Even just looking at the overall set of spaces where this could have happened causes very great doubts:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Where specifically did all the raping happen? Do you think any of these people insisting that this happened can even tell you where?

    A previous commenter, one "German Reader" claims that various women were "digitally raped". I guess that means somebody put a finger in the vagina. I read that somewhere too. I was thinking about it. This allegedly happened on NYE in Germany, at night. What is the average temperature at midnight, say, on New Year's in Cologne? So what is the typical attire of a German girl in the middle of the winter? How many layers of clothes is she wearing?

    I mean, just try to visualize this.... I cannot visualize the crime. It's a summer crime, Ron. The girls now where I am are all wearing very skimpy clothing. If one were that way inclined, one could get close and do a "digital rape". Almost all the girls in Cologne on a New Year's eve are wearing blue jeans, I think, jeans of some sort... And they've got layers on top, like an overcoat and so on. It's very hard to get your finger in... you-know-where.. I mean, seriously, it's a real production!

    Look, maybe you've been busy and not paying attention, but I don't think you have a grasp of the level of Islamophobic hoaxes going on. There are a couple of friends, two women in Germany, who have a hobby documenting them all. It's called hoaxmap.org. The site is in German, but just look at the main page of the site with the map. It's really very illuminating. Here are a couple of articles about it in English:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hoax-map-germany-refugees-1.3444503
    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35542304

    Some of these false stories are absolutely extraordinary. One of them is that some migrant threw a toilet out the window because a "nonbeliever" sat on it. Just think about that...

    I mean, they are testing the limits of what people will believe. Just think about what a typical toilet weighs, even leaving aside what it is connected to! Think about how strong you would have to be to pick up a toilet and throw it out the window! And then where are you going to take a dump after that!!?? LOL!!!!

    I am wondering how much of your readership would believe a story of that nature? I dunno... a significant percentage. Needless to say, it is a hoax! :-)


    So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.
     
    Well, c'mon, Ron. You know, sometimes you talk down to people in an absolutely extraordinary way. You're a smart guy, I know, but you aren't the only person with a brain in his head. I know perfectly well that, of all crime statistics, homicide totals are likely to be pretty accurate, because you need a body and the body is unambiguously alive or dead and that's that. Well, unless the victim's name is Osama bin Laden, or a case like that, then I guess you don't need a body! LOL.

    So, okay, exactly how many people were murdered is not very much in dispute, give or take a handful. I understand that, of course, so, for you to represent that you think I don't understand that, is a bit silly, I find. It's very intellectually arrogant on your part. Yes, you're smarter than most people, okay, but the gap is probably not quite as big as you think it is.

    Anyway, the total number of rapes is another kettle of fish because there are enough dubious cases. Also, you can falsely claim somebody was raped but you can't really falsely claim they were murdered. And many rapes can go unreported, so it's very problematic. So you might find me arguing that the true numbers on rapes are different from the official numbers. But not homicides.

    And, then you have things like so-called "hate crimes", which is a very nebulous concept from the get-go...


    Here’s a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?…
     
    Ron, the question is a complete non-sequitir and merely shows that you have not given the matter enough thought. You would first have to say how many murders took place in a setting equivalent to Cologne's main railway station on a New Year's Eve. That is obviously a much, much lower number.

    Also, as I pointed out earlier, the question is not solely catching the crime on film, but the aftermath as well. We should have at least have visuals of police showing up, paramedics.... If there was a mass shooting event in Grand Central Station, but zero film of police and paramedics showing up afterwards, then what? Would you think that was strange?

    With Cologne, not only is no raping caught on camera, but there is no video consistent with the immediate aftermath, some hysterical female being comforted or something like that. There is absolutely nothing.

    ANd there's other stuff that makes one tend to think it's a hoax.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    One of the most egregious cases in Cologne turned out to be a false accusation:

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    This was echoed all over the place. I had reports of this woman's rape in my facebook feed. I noticed some months afterwards that it had come out that it was a total hoax. The woman was not even in Cologne.

    Also, it appears that some elements were trying to perpetrate a similar hoax the following New Year's in Frankfurt but the authorities there squashed that:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    Now, finally, for a meta point, Ron. I have provided various different links above that anybody can look at and draw whatever conclusions. Has anybody debating with me here ever provided any evidence at all? Any link? One guy screams hysterically that I am "scum" because I am skeptical of this. Scum? At worst, I'm just wrong, that's all. But what does all this suggest to a third party observer about what is going on in this debate?

    One of them is that some migrant threw a toilet out the window because a “nonbeliever” sat on it.

    Yeah, that’s just the usual shit mainstream journos in Germany like to bring as well…”OMG, look at those dumb racists on their social media networks – they’re actually claiming refugees are stealing horses to butcher them!” (or some similarly ridiculous nonsense). Or at least they liked to do that in late 2015/early 2016 – since then the rise in crime clearly connected to the “refugee” influx has been somewhat too obvious (and confirmed by crime statistics as well) for such tactics to work. In any case it’s a transparent attempt to delegitimize criticism of mass immigration by selectively focusing on a few dumb or easily refuted claims by anti-immigrationists.
    Regarding Cologne: Why should this “Marcia Adair” person considered to be more credible than the hundreds of witnesses testifying to the reality of assaults in Cologne? Who knows, maybe she’s just an attention-seeking “antiracist” leftie and wasn’t even there. As for that lying 18-year old whose rape allegations have been disproven: It should be noted that the claims by that woman only came up months later, and were quickly shown to be false by police…the same obviously isn’t true for the hundreds of reports to police filed in the first days of January. Unless you can show that all of those reports, witness statements etc. are lies, you don’t have much of an argument.
    And all your ranting about “Islamophobia” really makes me wonder about your motivation…Holocaust denial, 9/11 trutherism, now claiming nothing happened at Cologne…maybe “USSR Andy” above was on to something. Someone should investigate your background, maybe you’re a Saudi agent of influence who’s trying to spread disinformation.

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  104. John I says:

    There was a video released at the time of the Cologne rapes on Liveleak. The article is still available on Liveleak https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=afb_1452550701 also https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d72_1452603086&comments=1

    The video on youtube is unavailable now. I downloaded the video at the time it was released and still have it on my hard-drive.
    Is the video bogus in some way and not a video of Cologne but some other incident that took place at another train station in an Arab country? It is too bad that I cannot reproduce a link to the video but it shows a lady being attacked by a group of men and led down some stairs to be gang-raped. The walls of the building are grimy with graffiti and there is a sign partly in English and partly in Arabic. I don’t think that this scene in in Cologne because the railroad stations there are undoubtedly spotless and wall messages would be in German and maybe English. It seems that this scene while obviously terrifying and evil seems not to have happened in Cologne Germany.
    Who would have been responsible for the dissemination of this video and what purpose would this serve? There are massive numbers of rapes in Sweden and Germany committed by immigrants. I have read the reports on the Swedish news sites so I do believe that they are real.
    Then who is responsible for this apparently false information being released?

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    iirc that video was from events in Cairo (Tahrir square?), it wasn't from Cologne, and was quickly debunked at the time.
  105. @utu
    The Murmansk story was a hoax. Its point was not that Muslims were rapist, because the audience to which the hoax was directed at already believed the Muslims-are-rapist men. The main point was to boost the image of Russian people by showing their prowess that they would not put up with what allegedly people in the West put up with daily.

    This is an example of a very inexpensive psy-op propaganda and to some extent successful, but only because the targeted audience is not very sophisticated. This case also exemplifies a typical crudeness of Russian propaganda machine.

    This case also exemplifies a typical crudeness of Russian propaganda machine.

    I don’t see this as having much to do with Russian government propaganda. The hoax did not have any cooperation from the local authorities or media. The local cops just went there, on the basis of some anonymous phone call, checked it out, and said: this is bullshit. A news agency, Flashnord, that ran the story initially (and that was 5, or up to 5 people getting beat up) ran a correction very quickly and then the other newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda pretty obviously sent a couple of reporters down there from Murmansk to check out the story. And they just wrote a sarcastic report saying that it was bullshit.

    Another thing I didn’t mention in the article was that there was also an article in TASS debunking the whole narrative:

    http://tass.ru/proisshestviya/2627076

    For example, read the last paragraph. It says that the Arabs pass through basically just keep to themselves, but any interactions with them are культурно, cultured or civilized, right? That’s the TASS news agency. All the respectable or official Russian news sources etcetera were mostly interested in just debunking the whole thing.

    Now, you had these various dodgy right-wing Russky sites spreading the story somewhat and then after it went viral in the western alt-media, some of those rabid Russian sites started quoting Daily Caller as the source for an incident that had happened in their own country! Somehow Daily Caller was a better source for what was going on in Murmansk region than Tass or Komsomolskaya Pravda.

    Somehow in the Russian nut-sphere, the number of victims went from 5 to 51 and they never batted an eyelid. That’s what I mean by the “Culture of Bullshit”.

    But finally, I see the main target audience for this as being Westerners. I think the manly Russians versus the girlie man Germans does create emotional satisfaction in a certain Russian audience though. Dmitry Orlov fell for this, ate it up with a spoon.

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com.es/2016/06/negative-interest-rates-are-coming-to.html?m=1

    Pretty inexcusable to fall for this when you’re a native speaker of Russian. But I think the target audience is still mainly the western audience, but they knew that the Russians out there would mirror it a lot because it has that manly Russian men thread running through it. But I think this whole notion of the Germans (as compared to the Russians) being a bunch of metrosexual faggots who would not protect their women — this gets a lot of uptake from the anti-PC alt-right types.

    People say I wrote too much, but there is a lot unsaid. You really take one of these synthetic bullshit events and really put it under the microscope and it’s got all these little subnarratives running through it…

    Maybe this could be a foundational paper in the emerging field of Bullshitology…

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    As I've indicated in my first post I would allow for the characterisation "bullshitting" as something potentially damaging enough to object to but don't think the Murmansk beat-up necessarily qualifies, given the idle irresponsibility of many journalists and waanabes on many occasions in many circumstances. Actually I think the best support for your BS classification here may be the plausible speculation that the reporting was non-government but not entirely random Russian jeering at non Russian gorlie-men by contrast with the macho Russians they were giving a boost to.

    Let me take the opportunity to suggest that you introduced your own counterproductive red herring and straw man in the expression "Muslim Rape Army". Convenient and concise perhaps but it invites the response "Do you really think anyone outside the writers of tabloid headlines finds a place in their brains for "Muslim Rape Army" given all the connotations and implications of "army"? Essays on the use of inflammatory exaggeration and dishonestly distorting symbols and metaphors to enhance attention to a real issue are surely being written in many schools of media and journalism. Your essay makes valid points (particularly that absence of viseos and other electronic records should now arouse suspicion of fabrication or, as others have emphasised, intervention) but perhaps mistakes the true aiming points in setting up a straw man as central to the article's theme and purpose.

    In the end your essay might best claim an honourable place in a school for journalists (and now of course Internet Journalism and other fashionable novelties) as a model of a careful combination of logic, evidence and imagination applied to a surprising story which could be important if true.
  106. iffen says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Jonathan,

    Thanks for working to "reclaim reality."

    We must never forget the Mossad motto, "By way. of deception thou shalt do war."

    One matter, I did as Christopher Bollyn recommended & read Le Carre's novel, "The Little Drummer Girl." The book illustrates that reclaiming reality is mankind's greatest challenge ever.

    The majority.of what Americans perceive as news is THEATER.

    Chuck!

    Is it really the woodchuck?

    I thought you were in a decade hibernation.

    How’re those bus wheels? Still round?

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  107. @John I
    There was a video released at the time of the Cologne rapes on Liveleak. The article is still available on Liveleak https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=afb_1452550701 also https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d72_1452603086&comments=1

    The video on youtube is unavailable now. I downloaded the video at the time it was released and still have it on my hard-drive.
    Is the video bogus in some way and not a video of Cologne but some other incident that took place at another train station in an Arab country? It is too bad that I cannot reproduce a link to the video but it shows a lady being attacked by a group of men and led down some stairs to be gang-raped. The walls of the building are grimy with graffiti and there is a sign partly in English and partly in Arabic. I don't think that this scene in in Cologne because the railroad stations there are undoubtedly spotless and wall messages would be in German and maybe English. It seems that this scene while obviously terrifying and evil seems not to have happened in Cologne Germany.
    Who would have been responsible for the dissemination of this video and what purpose would this serve? There are massive numbers of rapes in Sweden and Germany committed by immigrants. I have read the reports on the Swedish news sites so I do believe that they are real.
    Then who is responsible for this apparently false information being released?

    iirc that video was from events in Cairo (Tahrir square?), it wasn’t from Cologne, and was quickly debunked at the time.

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    it wasn’t from Cologne, and was quickly debunked at the time.
     
    If they're trying to pass off things that happened in Cairo, or somewhere else, as being video of what happened in Cologne, doesn't that kind of suggest that they don't have any visuals of what allegedly happened in Cologne?

    Did you see this? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    If refugees are really assaulting women right left and center, why is there a need to perpetrate hoaxes like the above?

    Maybe you should think about that, though I suppose you think that only people who are "scum" ask themselves such questions...
  108. @Maus
    My professor of the history of modern philosophy (roughly Descartes to Kant) required students to write no more than 200 words about any particular concept. It is surprisingly difficult to write a cogent essay of 200 words unless you have an excellent grasp of the materials.
    Here we have 11,000+ words. One is tempted to apply Ockham's razor to conclude that more blather indicates less insight. I was willing to credit the "pictures or it didn't happen" argument; but to then push the line that pictures are routinely faked or doctored undercuts it.
    The author used too many words to beat this donkey into doing more than he was willing or able. Sad.

    Thank you. I agree with your professor.
    I.f.f.U.

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  109. @German_reader
    iirc that video was from events in Cairo (Tahrir square?), it wasn't from Cologne, and was quickly debunked at the time.

    it wasn’t from Cologne, and was quickly debunked at the time.

    If they’re trying to pass off things that happened in Cairo, or somewhere else, as being video of what happened in Cologne, doesn’t that kind of suggest that they don’t have any visuals of what allegedly happened in Cologne?

    Did you see this? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    If refugees are really assaulting women right left and center, why is there a need to perpetrate hoaxes like the above?

    Maybe you should think about that, though I suppose you think that only people who are “scum” ask themselves such questions…

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    Maybe you should think about that, though I suppose you think that only people who are “scum” ask themselves such questions…
     
    No, people who believe in delusional conspiracy theories ask such questions.
    You still haven't explained the hundreds of reports filed to police for assaults in Cologne. Is this all the result of some extraordinary mass delusion or some deliberate conspiracy?
    This whole "Oh, why isn't there video of the assaults?" argument doesn't convince at all...if you're the victim of such a situation you try to get out as fast as possible, you don't stay to record it on your phone; also many people actually had their mobile phones stolen during the assaults (it wasn't just sexual assaults, there was also a lot of theft). And it's not even clear to me there aren't any recordings of the events, they may just not have been released (I can think of many reasons for that, like not wanting to inflame tensions, protecting the rights of victims etc.).
    And once again: The fact that attention-seekers, compulsive liars and the occasional dumb right-winger perpetrate hoaxes doesn't mean there isn't a serious problem with crimes, including sex crimes, committed by "refugees".
    e.g see here:
    https://www.tichyseinblick.de/gastbeitrag/von-der-relativitaet-der-kriminalitaetsstatistik/
    https://www.tichyseinblick.de/gastbeitrag/wenig-bekannte-fakten-zur-auslaenderkriminalitaet-in-deutschland/

    Or numbers for 2016 in the state of Baden-Württemberg:
    https://www.welt.de/politik/fluechtlinge/article166743220/Zahl-sexueller-Straftaten-durch-Migranten-gestiegen.html

    Are some reports about a "Muslim rape army" hyperbolic? Probably. But there is certainly a serious problem...claiming this is all made up by some conspiracy is absurd.
  110. The whole thing is nothing special. In my young years and my dad told me about his there were a lot of things like this. I have no doubt that those strangers were beaten because it is always was this way in Russia. Actually, there was similar case in my life involving my buddies beating up Uzbeks coming to pick our girl with one of those Uzbeks later staying in hospital for 4 months.
    going to other guys place and picking their girls there and especially behaving the way those Muslims do in Germany.,… Bad, very bad move. Hell, one was risking a lot just going and dancing at other guys local disco. Picking local girls ??? Those guys must have been suicidal.

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    going to other guys place and picking their girls there and especially behaving the way those Muslims do in Germany.,… Bad, very bad move.
     
    Yes, and the fact the police said the incident did not occur may mean only that they shared the feelings of the alleged perpetrators — as seems entirely probable.

    And the idea that Mediterranean types would not be out and about in Murmansk in the winter is simply inane. There are plenty of Mediterranean types to be seen at Canadian ski resorts when the chill factor is 30 below.

    , @Bernardista
    I think Sergey's explanation is the most likely scenario, and CanSpeccy's observation that the police probably were sympathetic to those who attacked the strangers is probably correct.

    It sounds to me that the denial was just a case of 'What happens in Murmansk stays in Murmansk.'
  111. @Jonathan Revusky

    it wasn’t from Cologne, and was quickly debunked at the time.
     
    If they're trying to pass off things that happened in Cairo, or somewhere else, as being video of what happened in Cologne, doesn't that kind of suggest that they don't have any visuals of what allegedly happened in Cologne?

    Did you see this? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    If refugees are really assaulting women right left and center, why is there a need to perpetrate hoaxes like the above?

    Maybe you should think about that, though I suppose you think that only people who are "scum" ask themselves such questions...

    Maybe you should think about that, though I suppose you think that only people who are “scum” ask themselves such questions…

    No, people who believe in delusional conspiracy theories ask such questions.
    You still haven’t explained the hundreds of reports filed to police for assaults in Cologne. Is this all the result of some extraordinary mass delusion or some deliberate conspiracy?
    This whole “Oh, why isn’t there video of the assaults?” argument doesn’t convince at all…if you’re the victim of such a situation you try to get out as fast as possible, you don’t stay to record it on your phone; also many people actually had their mobile phones stolen during the assaults (it wasn’t just sexual assaults, there was also a lot of theft). And it’s not even clear to me there aren’t any recordings of the events, they may just not have been released (I can think of many reasons for that, like not wanting to inflame tensions, protecting the rights of victims etc.).
    And once again: The fact that attention-seekers, compulsive liars and the occasional dumb right-winger perpetrate hoaxes doesn’t mean there isn’t a serious problem with crimes, including sex crimes, committed by “refugees”.
    e.g see here:

    https://www.tichyseinblick.de/gastbeitrag/von-der-relativitaet-der-kriminalitaetsstatistik/

    https://www.tichyseinblick.de/gastbeitrag/wenig-bekannte-fakten-zur-auslaenderkriminalitaet-in-deutschland/

    Or numbers for 2016 in the state of Baden-Württemberg:

    https://www.welt.de/politik/fluechtlinge/article166743220/Zahl-sexueller-Straftaten-durch-Migranten-gestiegen.html

    Are some reports about a “Muslim rape army” hyperbolic? Probably. But there is certainly a serious problem…claiming this is all made up by some conspiracy is absurd.

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  112. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    By deception we shall wage war…

    Mossard or Islam?

    Correct answer is both do it. Check the Qur’an.

    All is fair is life and war.

    *ThatDamnGood

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    Mossard or Islam?

    Correct answer is both do it. Check the Qur’an.
     
    Dude, Islam is a major religious tradition, with different strands and substrands. Sunni, Shia, all that -- broadly analogous to Catholics and Protestants and so forth.

    Mossad is an actual organization, an arm of the Israeli State. It's a real, organized entity that.... does shit. You could compare Mossad to the Saudi Secret Services or Pakistani ISI, or another organization, but with "Islam" in its entirety!!??

    I mean, only a profoundly stupid, ignorant person would make this kind of false equivalence.
  113. It was all going so well: the author debunked the Murmansk (Oblast) story. I was anticipating a conclusion about how the Russian story had been invented shortly after the Cologne attacks, describing a place on the known migrant trail, in order to compare the virtues of Russian men with their less manly German counterparts.

    But having debunked the Russian story, the author declared that by doing so he had also debunked the German one!

    A quick search on YouTube finds many uploads of the events in Cologne on New Year 2015/16, most of them copies of one or two originals. The quality of the film is severely limited by the lighting and the scene (even before faces were blurred for legal reasons). The people are in low light, but there is bright, often dazzling, light from shop windows and fireworks. There is a dense crowd, so it is difficult to see what is happening among people who are not in the first row in front of the camera. Typical mobile phone footage is here:

    The contemporary reports of sexual assault typically describe a group of men surrounding the victim and groping her, in a few cases proceeding to rape. The latter might include assault by digital penetration while the victim is standing.

    With the best will in the world, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above, that such attacks were not taking place within the field of view of the camera; or that detection would have been possible even if 100 people had been filming from different places in the crowd. This indicates a problem with Revusky’s Razor:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    “Wide open” must be qualified so it does not include “overcrowded”. The possible spectators must not have their view obstructed and must also have acceptable lighting conditions.

    With additions in bold, I suggest:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people but not overcrowded, with adequate lighting conditions and no fog, mist or smoke, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    or simply:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a public space within plain sight of a large number of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    There may well be a story about the exaggeration, even the non-occurrence, of the events in Cologne on New Year 2015/16, but Revusky’s Razor has not revealed it. I invite the author to conduct as thorough an analysis of the media reports of Cologne as he has done for those of Polyarnye Zori.

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    I was anticipating a conclusion about how the Russian story had been invented shortly after the Cologne attacks, describing a place on the known migrant trail, in order to compare the virtues of Russian men with their less manly German counterparts.
     
    Well, the whole "manly Russian men" versus the German girlie men subnarrative is very clearly inserted into this thing and its presentation. As for that being the main purpose of the thing, I kind of doubt that. But look, when you examine any of these synthetic events closely, you invariably see that there are these various narrative strands running through it.

    Like, with Orlando, it's amazing. There's the whole gay thing, there's the whole Muslims hate gays thing, there's ISIS, there's Afghanistan, there's gun control. I mean, you look at that, and you wonder what the likelihood that all these talking points would really intersect in one organically occurring event. The probability must be infinitesimal.

    But one does not know what the main purpose is. Always, there's the negative portrayal of Muslims. That's a constant now. But then this thing about the manly Russian men... well, they are hyping the Russians as some kind of threat, so maybe there's a bit of that. I mean, the whole thing is silly. The reason to worry about Russia is that they have a massive nuclear arsenal, for example, not that they are manly men who beat up people in bars. That's just silly. But there's something about this, the PC metrosexual Germans as the flipside of that subnarrative... they must know that this is the kind of thing that Alt-Right people will just eat up.

    But having debunked the Russian story, the author declared that by doing so he had also debunked the German one!
     
    Well, that's just a lame straw-man. I never said that. If you sincerely think that I said that, go back and look at what I wrote.

    What I did say was that both of these synthetic events share a common issue, which is the sheer cartoonishness of them. And the lack of visuals available.

    There is a general point running through various things I've written, which is the recognition of patterns in synthetic events. So, you can see that, with the JFK assassination, they have their patsy and the media is saying he did it from the get-go and so on. And then you can see that same pattern in plenty of other events and have an Aha moment, but that's not at all the same as saying that the JFK hit being a Deep State operation proves that RFK or MLK were as well. (Though they were, obviously.:-) I'm saying that recognizing patterns really is a tip-off but I'm not saying it's definitive proof.

    As for the video you embed, just watch it with the sound off and tell me what you see. Do you see anything that looks like a sexual assault? This is a classic trick. You post a video and you say it portrays something and a lot of people, I guess, will just believe you without even checking.

    With the best will in the world, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above, that such attacks were not taking place within the field of view of the camera; (blah blah)
     
    Uhh.... by the same token, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above that, somewhere nearby, I was having sex with Julia Roberts but that this was not taking place within the field of view of the camera...

    I mean, this is just vacuous, man. Sure, the video doesn't provide any proof regarding what the video did not capture! The point is that the video simply DOES NOT SHOW WHAT IT IS PURPORTED TO SHOW.

    It's a fraud and the whole synthetic event of the Muslim Rape Army descending on Cologne is just a fraud.


    I invite the author to conduct as thorough an analysis of the media reports of Cologne as he has done for those of Polyarnye Zori.
     
    LOL. How do you know I haven't? Why do you think I say with such confidence that the Cologne incident never happened?

    Are you saying that I should have written, say, a 20,000 word essay?
  114. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Sergey Krieger
    The whole thing is nothing special. In my young years and my dad told me about his there were a lot of things like this. I have no doubt that those strangers were beaten because it is always was this way in Russia. Actually, there was similar case in my life involving my buddies beating up Uzbeks coming to pick our girl with one of those Uzbeks later staying in hospital for 4 months.
    going to other guys place and picking their girls there and especially behaving the way those Muslims do in Germany.,... Bad, very bad move. Hell, one was risking a lot just going and dancing at other guys local disco. Picking local girls ??? Those guys must have been suicidal.

    going to other guys place and picking their girls there and especially behaving the way those Muslims do in Germany.,… Bad, very bad move.

    Yes, and the fact the police said the incident did not occur may mean only that they shared the feelings of the alleged perpetrators — as seems entirely probable.

    And the idea that Mediterranean types would not be out and about in Murmansk in the winter is simply inane. There are plenty of Mediterranean types to be seen at Canadian ski resorts when the chill factor is 30 below.

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    Yes, and the fact the police said the incident did not occur may mean only that they shared the feelings of the alleged perpetrators — as seems entirely probable.
     
    First of all, many of you would do well to read some of these web pages out there that outline the major logical fallacies -- straw man, ad hominem, beg the question...

    The one you're engaging in is called "Morton's Fork". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton%27s_fork

    The original Morton's fork is the tax collector, who, when he sees somebody living in a lavish style, figures the guy should pay a lot of taxes, because obviously he's loaded. If the same person is observed to be living an extremely frugal life, he surely should pay a lot of taxes, because, look at how frugally the guy is living, so he must have a lot of money socked away.

    If somebody tells you that the police say this happened, then you'll say: "Yeah, the police say this happened" and then if somebody says that the police say it didn't happen, you say: "Look at how the police are covering things up." This is typical of highly ideological people, whether on the right or the left. You end up creating a completely unfalsifiable belief system.

    As for this Murmansk story, it very very clearly did not happen. In particular, the version with 51 people and 18 of them hospitalized is likely physically impossible simply because the Gandvik bar does not even hold more than 50 people. Bringing up visuals of the site tells you this.

    The main phone numbers are right there on the little map embedded in the article. Anybody who can speak Russian can call the local hospital there and see whether 18 (or any!) Arabs were hospitalized on the night of 29 January 2016. I have not done that, by the way, but I am utterly confident that you could call any of those phone numbers, like the hospital, or Gandvik bar itself, and ask people about Arabs getting beaten up and they would not know WTF you are talking about. I am sure of this. I did enough work verifying that there is no need for me to go from 1000% certainty to 10,000% certainty.

    But hey, if you think I'm wrong about this, you can do the work and prove me wrong. Or try to... I know that you never will do that, because you're a bullshitter and bullshitters will never make any effort to verify facts, but nonetheless, I point that you could do that. There are phone numbers and so on. These people only speak Russian, of course, but you just need to find somebody who is a Russian speaker to help you out. That is not an insuperable problem.

    There are plenty of Mediterranean types to be seen at Canadian ski resorts when the chill factor is 30 below.
     
    I never said that this was a decisive consideration. I simply said that it was just one aspect that caused me to doubt the story. I concluded that the story was false at a 1000% level of confidence by systematically researching it.

    In any case, your comparison is obtuse. The Arab refugees passing through the Russian North are not on a damned skiing holiday, for crying out loud!
  115. THERE IS NO MUSLIM RAPE ARMY!!!!

    Okay? It doesn’t exist! It’s just a cartoon. It’s a deranged racist fantasy.

    Of course there isn’t. It’s an utterly jejune concept no doubt designed to take the drooling classes’ attention away from the fact that the Bankster Armies are raping us daily, often in ways we couldn’t dream of in our wildest nightmares.

    While the fools get their tutus in twists over yet another fake threat, the usual schmucks keep hosing the rest of us as they’ve always done and as they always will.

    There are no pictures, but an excellent intro to how the goon classes operate can be found in Yanis Varoufakis’ excellent, page turner, Adults in the Room. For those who pan the idea of a Deep State, he calls it a Deep Establishment and describes its tactics well.

    https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/books/adults-in-the-room/

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  116. Randal says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I’ve always just automatically dismissed “muslim rape army” stuff as just understandable hyperbolic propaganda (albeit perhaps believed to be fact by many of those putting it forward) based upon a core of truth that is covered up by the mainstream media.
     
    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?


    It might well be the case that in the Murmansk story there was nothing at its base, but the Cologne and related stories elsewhere in the north are certainly not based upon nothing.
     
    They are "not based on nothing". Double negative. So I parse that to mean that they "are based on something".

    Specifically Cologne. What is it based on? I cannot find the slightest bit of credible evidence that anything happened. And I tried. What is the evidence that anything happened?

    This is not a question of whether you want immigration or not, or any of that. I said in the article that my general sympathies were with the anti-immigration position. BUT something like this fantastical Cologne story is a straight factual issue.

    Why are there no visuals?

    Why is it that a local English teacher (from Ontario, Canada) walked through the area where supposedly all this was happening and SAW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    Why is that?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax? https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    How come, if you try to figure out even where specifically any of this happened, you fail? It really can't be visualized. Look at the space, or overall set of spaces, where it happened:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Tell me, where did all this raping take place? AND not any visuals? I tried my best to find the answer to these various questions and I ended up concluding that this was a hoax. I do not believe that there is any other conclusion that an intellectually honest person would draw.

    The Rotherham stories were not nothing
     
    Look, Rotherham is about a relatively small set of criminals of Pakistani descent in a completely different country. But that is an underage prostitution ring. I assume that all the sex in question occurred behind closed doors in seedy motels and so forth. And that is something that, unfortunately does happen. I have problem believing this.

    There would be a point of comparison if the Rotherham thing had happened right there in the middle of the nearest train station within clear view of hundreds of people. That is what is claimed with Cologne.

    The Cologne story is an entirely different thing. Just prima facie, this is a completely fantastical narrative. Gangs of Arabs just sexually assaulting women in a wide open public space with CCTV everywhere and everybody has a video camera in his pocket and there are ZERO visuals!

    The basic features of the Cologne story that make it so implausible are are not present with Rotherham. So I have no problem believing that Rotherham happened. It has very little to do with accepting refugees, since the people weren't even refugees. They were a reduced group of criminals who, yes, were of Pakistani background. It's a completely different narrative and this kind of intellectually squalid thing of saying that because Rotherham happened, that Cologne happened, conflating such two completely different things.

    But this is symptomatic of a culture of bullshit. Unfortunately, you're bullshitting. The tortuous double-negative sentences and so on are, I think, somewhat symptomatic of it.

    Anyway, the problem with Cologne is that any serious attempt to prove to oneself that anything happened just ends up in a total dead end. Nobody in any of this discussion thread has produced any evidence for it whatsoever. And I am quite confident that they never will. They just keep claiming that it was reported by the media so it must be true. If it was not reported by the media, it would still be true because the media was covering it up presumably. You have to recognize when people have built an unfalsifiable narrative, right? If the authorities say it happened, it happened, and if they say it didn't happen, it still happened, because the authorities are covering it up.... there is evidence, there are visuals, but the authorities aren't letting us see them.... Bullshit...

    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I've looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn't happen.

    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?

    I think the sentence is pretty clear. There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents. Is that really difficult for you to understand?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax?

    Women falsely alleging rape is a pretty commonplace event, sadly. Fantasists, paranoia and delusions, malicious attacks on particular men, blackmail attempts … It’s hardly surprising that this kind of news story would attract such.

    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I’ve looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn’t happen.

    Odd, because I did a quick search just now for “cologne sexual assault convictions” and came up with plenty of supporting evidence. Now I’m not interested in wasting a lot of time forensically examining the details of every story, because I clearly remember the reports at the time and I’m not yet old enough to doubt my memory that easily, and because it really isn’t at all surprising that immigrants, especially muslims, will tend to engage in this kind of behaviour.

    Here, for instance, is a Reuters report on the convictions of two men, an Iraqi and an Algerian, last July:

    German court issues first convictions in Cologne mob sex attacks

    Presumably these convictions were false, in your view, because you haven’t seen any video or photographic evidence of the crimes in question?

    From the Reuters report:

    The Cologne police chief was forced to resign and women’s rights activists launched the “no means no” awareness campaign after the attacks, which prompted a debate about problems arising from trying to integrate the new arrivals.

    The court said the two men along with a group of 10 to 15 other men separated two victims from one another. It added that the Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.

    The Algerian prevented a man accompanying the victim from intervening to stop the attack and asked him if he would “abandon the girl for 5,000 euros.” He was found guilty of being an accessory to the sexual assault crime.”

    Your contention is presumably then that such well known bastions of the Alt Right as Reuters, German women’s rights activists and the Cologne police chief all colluded in a plot to try to make immigrants look bad?

    And here, from the Guardian, is a report of a case where (unsurprisingly) the victims and witnesses were unable to confidently identify the alleged perpetrators (a pair of Algerian brothers allegedly part of a mob of ten who perpetrated the assault and theft, who had been caught with the victims’ mobile phones in their possession – clearly not enough in itself to convict them of any crime other than handling stolen goods, but there seems no particular reason to doubt the testimony of the victims as to the events in general, though you will presumably just say “pictures, or it didn’t happen”).

    Cologne sexual assault case collapses

    Here’s Breitbart, admittedly not the most reliable source in general, quoting some detailed statistics on the event in question which are sourced via a German webpage (I have no idea how reliable it is) to the prosecutor’s office. The linked German story (here translated by Google) also mentions the obvious reason why so few of the recorded complaints would be likely to give rise to successful prosecutions:

    Cologne Sex Attacks One Year On: 1300 Victims, Just 18 Convictions

    On New Year’s Eve, women in Cologne were massively harassed, robbed and sexually harassed. From the very beginning, legal processing had been difficult – the conditions on the square in front of the main station were chaotic. Often victims could not identify the perpetrators.

    By December, according to the prosecutor’s office 1222 criminal charges were investigated in the investigation complex, 513 of which refer to the allegation of a sexual assault. These include sexual coercion, rape and “sexually motivated” insults. 1310 people claim to have become a crime at New Year’s Eve victims, at 662 it is about sexual assaults. In 28 cases, an attempted or completed rape was displayed.”

    And especially for you, here’s a quote on Wikipedia (again a notoriously unreliable source, but hardly a famous bastion of the Alt Right, and far more likely to be covering up such events than needlessly giving them credibility), in which the new police chief of Cologne specifically refers to the video evidence you claim doesn’t exist (and its limited use in these kinds of situation):

    Questioned as to why the most perpetrators in Cologne are not accused of sexual offences but of robbery and theft, Mathies replied, “It is easier to determine on the basis of video images: That person just took a cell phone away. Than: He has fingered a woman. These pictures are indeed anything but good.”[47]

    It really is not remotely surprising that some young men in a foreign country and at the bottom of the social heap would engage in this kind of activity, nor that those from a muslim cultural background with very different public mores would be more likely to do so. It takes a determined ideological motivation to insist on ignoring evidence that corroborates such common sense in favour of pretending it’s all some kind of propaganda lie (and supposedly perpetrated by racists and nationalists, of all people, by far the most marginalised and excluded political grouping in the countries of western Europe and the US) just because you spot some exaggerations and lies.

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    Very good stuff compellingly presented. Perhaps I allowed myself to give JR too much credit for drawing attention to the relatively new consideration that what one can often expect to support 21st centtury stories is the product of the ubiquitous smartphone. Odd that he missed some older presumptions that should apply in assessing events such as those in Murmansk Oblast. For example the motives of nightclub owner, local authorities and army to deny the truth if there was some sort of altercation involving young soldiers that got a bit out of hand. Plus "no smoke without fire" which applies for two reasons. First it is a reasonably accurate generalisation about observed reality. Second, fabulists know it is better not to rely on creating stories out of whole cloth when some existing truth can be pointed to or relied on as having laid down some preconception in readers' minds.
    , @Anonymous

    lies
     
    This is what bugs me. The author is either clinically, genuinely delusional or he's deliberately lying and insulting our intelligence in the process. Could be both, really.

    And he's still doing it deep in the comment section. Unreal.
    , @Linh Dinh

    There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents.
     
    That sums it up. There is a German website, Hoax Map, that debunks wild rumors about Muslim immigrants, but it is true that Muslims are greatly over-represented in German prisons.

    Similarly, in France, Muslims make up less than 10% of the population but over half of its prison inmates.

    In England and Wales, Muslims are 5% of the population but 15% of its prisoners.

    In Spain, Moroccans are 1.5% of the population but 10% of its prisoners. They commit 18% of the murders. [Source.]

    These alarming statistics bring to mind the situation with American blacks, for they are 13.3% of the population yet 37.7% of the prisoners.

  117. Who actually claimed that there is a Muslim Rape Army? I’ve often heard the refugees called invaders, and it is an invasion, but a Rape Army? I don’t think I’ve heard that one before. Even if there is no Rape Army, it’s obvious that there is a problem. The immigrants are unable and unwilling to assimilate, and there is some real animosity towards the West on the part of many immigrants.

    Also, if the U.S. government could cloud the issue of what actually happened on 9-11, I think that the Germans could also obscure what happened in Koln, or elsewhere. They certainly have reason to do so.

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    I was about to click on "Agree" but witheld it entirely because of your reference to 9/11.

    I came to look at the multitude of different highly assertive truther positions very late, and still without emotion, except rising derision and wry puzzlement. Like nearly all truthers I haven't read much of the official commission report but I have learned the probable truth on key points from the absurdities of the truthers.

    Your post suggests non paranoid realism and rationality so, in the hope of finding just one UR commentator who enjoys changing his mind or at least entertaining possibilities I proffer

    1. Set aside the possibility of Mossad prior information and Saudi money adding to ObL's own to provode the modest fonance needed for 19 volunteer highjackers because that, while maybe true, doesn't matter one way or the other.
    2. Ask "who had far the biggest motive- perhaps the only motive - to get the US involved in a war in Afghanistam?" Clearly ObL, , who remembered what happened to the Soviets there and to Americans in Vietnam: by a margin of 10 to 1. (And the one could be the arms industry that just wants its products to be used up somewhere. Those wanting war in Iraq are hardly on the rationally discerned horizon).
    By the way ObL was the big winner.

    3. Wasn't 9/11 's multiple simultaneous attacks just an upgrade on established Al Qaeda tactica? Wasn't the WTC already in Al Qaeda's sights as a symbolic target (since 1993 or earlier)?

    4. If there was a problem about the weight of floors above a heat weakened set of relatively novel lightweight steel structures being enough to bring down the towers (and WTC7) wouldn't the obvious person to say so be the structuaral engineer Robertson who designed the WTC structures in anticipation of aircraft strike but not for the effects of consequent high temperature fires? He didn't but pointed out the architects were responsible for fire protection.

    5. Why did WTC2 take so much less time to collapse after the impact than WTC1? Obviously (mostly) because the weight of floors 87 to 110 is much greater than floors 100 to 110! Consider the alternative nonsensical beliefs required if demolition by explosives is one's supposition...

    6. The clever plotters are so clever they can, with total confidence, defeat human error and arrange
    (a) for the demolition charges to be concealed in WTCs 1 and 2 (and 7!!! but that is loony toon stuff) at floors 78 to 86 in WTC2 and 95 to 99 in WTC so as to be undetected while being installed and afterwards, and so no compelling evidence of demolition or failed attempt at it is found after the demolition of at least one tower (NB they have of course mastered the technical complexities in demolition fromupper floors rather than the basement ;
    (b) for the highjackings to take place and both flights to reliably continue under whatever kind of control so precisely that both towers would actually be struck and in each case at exactly the right levels;
    (c) find a reason why it was necessary for the towers to have to be destroyed rather than just have a few floors destroyed and a few hundred lives lost if the aim was to start a war centred on ObL (not forgetting all round risk assessment);
    (d) be sure that no Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning or Russian or other hacker isn't going to preserve and make public credible evidence of the plot especially since they have not taken the precaution of crashing into the buildings at weekends or maybe 7.30 am before many people are at work.

    Enough to be going on with.....Remember that the only alternative to the truth that Osama bin Laden scored a huge victory, magnified by the unforseeable monatrous folly and hubris of those who took advantage of one arena for folly to create a greater one in Iraq, is that someone or more plotters picked up on the need, courtesy of PNAC, for "a Pearl Harbor event" to somehow persuade others to produce the wholly incredible scenario I have derided above.

    Alternatively I would like to see more attention to studying individuals and small groups who have got very close to power without being elected president or inheriting a throne. Rumsfeld equals Rasputin? Maybe but Thomas Cromwell is closer (and eventually Henry retired him in the customary contemporary manner). Mrs Woodrow Wilson? Actually she provides the contrast with Rumsfeld as she had not held positions of power and influence from a young age and wouldn't have been brimming with the sense of potency and rightness that Rumsfeld exhibited. Here's a passage from Rumsfeld's dream diary: "Frankly who needs to be elected as the pretty face without an idea in his head that matters , and programmed eliciter of standing ovations? Give me a mate like Dick Cheney, a VP with clout, access on demand, and the Defence Department: look out unfinished business, here I come. Who is going to be rembered from the George the Less' years as the remaker of the ME with all that will have flowed from that?".
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Who actually claimed that there is a Muslim Rape Army?
     
    Sheesh, only an utterly dishonest or profoundly stupid person would start with this kind of nonsense. OBVIOUSLY, when I refer to the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, I am not suggesting that anybody is saying that there is literally an army with uniforms, ranks, and insignia!


    ... The immigrants are unable and unwilling to assimilate, and there is some real animosity towards the West on the part of many immigrants.
     
    Yeah, I understand that this is one of the talking points you are supposed to insert into any discussion about this, but the thing is that I made absolutely clear in the essay that I am not an advocate of mass immigration at all. So the above is just a straw-man, arguing with me as if I am a mass immigration advocate, when I'm not.

    I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year's eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?

    NONE. I investigated the question and that means that I tried to find some real convincing proof and every path you go down just leads to a dead end, nowhere. It is impossible to convince oneself that this really happened.

    I believe that any intellectually honest person who investigated this alleged incident, as I have, would come to the conclusion that it is a hoax.
  118. @Jonathan Revusky

    This case also exemplifies a typical crudeness of Russian propaganda machine.
     
    I don't see this as having much to do with Russian government propaganda. The hoax did not have any cooperation from the local authorities or media. The local cops just went there, on the basis of some anonymous phone call, checked it out, and said: this is bullshit. A news agency, Flashnord, that ran the story initially (and that was 5, or up to 5 people getting beat up) ran a correction very quickly and then the other newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda pretty obviously sent a couple of reporters down there from Murmansk to check out the story. And they just wrote a sarcastic report saying that it was bullshit.

    Another thing I didn't mention in the article was that there was also an article in TASS debunking the whole narrative:

    http://tass.ru/proisshestviya/2627076

    For example, read the last paragraph. It says that the Arabs pass through basically just keep to themselves, but any interactions with them are культурно, cultured or civilized, right? That's the TASS news agency. All the respectable or official Russian news sources etcetera were mostly interested in just debunking the whole thing.

    Now, you had these various dodgy right-wing Russky sites spreading the story somewhat and then after it went viral in the western alt-media, some of those rabid Russian sites started quoting Daily Caller as the source for an incident that had happened in their own country! Somehow Daily Caller was a better source for what was going on in Murmansk region than Tass or Komsomolskaya Pravda.

    Somehow in the Russian nut-sphere, the number of victims went from 5 to 51 and they never batted an eyelid. That's what I mean by the "Culture of Bullshit".

    But finally, I see the main target audience for this as being Westerners. I think the manly Russians versus the girlie man Germans does create emotional satisfaction in a certain Russian audience though. Dmitry Orlov fell for this, ate it up with a spoon.

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com.es/2016/06/negative-interest-rates-are-coming-to.html?m=1

    Pretty inexcusable to fall for this when you're a native speaker of Russian. But I think the target audience is still mainly the western audience, but they knew that the Russians out there would mirror it a lot because it has that manly Russian men thread running through it. But I think this whole notion of the Germans (as compared to the Russians) being a bunch of metrosexual faggots who would not protect their women -- this gets a lot of uptake from the anti-PC alt-right types.

    People say I wrote too much, but there is a lot unsaid. You really take one of these synthetic bullshit events and really put it under the microscope and it's got all these little subnarratives running through it...

    Maybe this could be a foundational paper in the emerging field of Bullshitology...

    As I’ve indicated in my first post I would allow for the characterisation “bullshitting” as something potentially damaging enough to object to but don’t think the Murmansk beat-up necessarily qualifies, given the idle irresponsibility of many journalists and waanabes on many occasions in many circumstances. Actually I think the best support for your BS classification here may be the plausible speculation that the reporting was non-government but not entirely random Russian jeering at non Russian gorlie-men by contrast with the macho Russians they were giving a boost to.

    Let me take the opportunity to suggest that you introduced your own counterproductive red herring and straw man in the expression “Muslim Rape Army”. Convenient and concise perhaps but it invites the response “Do you really think anyone outside the writers of tabloid headlines finds a place in their brains for “Muslim Rape Army” given all the connotations and implications of “army”? Essays on the use of inflammatory exaggeration and dishonestly distorting symbols and metaphors to enhance attention to a real issue are surely being written in many schools of media and journalism. Your essay makes valid points (particularly that absence of viseos and other electronic records should now arouse suspicion of fabrication or, as others have emphasised, intervention) but perhaps mistakes the true aiming points in setting up a straw man as central to the article’s theme and purpose.

    In the end your essay might best claim an honourable place in a school for journalists (and now of course Internet Journalism and other fashionable novelties) as a model of a careful combination of logic, evidence and imagination applied to a surprising story which could be important if true.

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  119. geokat62 says:
    @Jonathan Revusky
    It's under my last article. http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/

    Read through it and you'll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.

    Read through it and you’ll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.

    No, Rurik is telling the truth. You’re the one who is full of shit. You actually owe Rurik an apology for threatening to dox him after he stooped to your level and gave you a taste of your own medicine. But you’re not man enough to admit it. You’re a pathetic liar.

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    Revusky - Read through it and you’ll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.

    geokat62 - No, Rurik is telling the truth. You’re the one who is full of shit. You actually owe Rurik an apology for threatening to dox him after he stooped to your level and gave you a taste of your own medicine. But you’re not man enough to admit it. You’re a pathetic liar.
     

    I, for one, am very disappointed that our host, Ron Unz, would allow an individual who threatened to dox another commenter to continue to be a contributor on his fine site. This type of behaviour should be frowned upon. If Ron continues to allow this character to post articles, those of us who find his threat of doxing someone repugnant should simply boycott him, by refusing to read or comment on any of his future articles, unless and until he formally apologizes to Rurik for making such an unacceptable threat.
  120. @OilcanFloyd
    Who actually claimed that there is a Muslim Rape Army? I've often heard the refugees called invaders, and it is an invasion, but a Rape Army? I don't think I've heard that one before. Even if there is no Rape Army, it's obvious that there is a problem. The immigrants are unable and unwilling to assimilate, and there is some real animosity towards the West on the part of many immigrants.

    Also, if the U.S. government could cloud the issue of what actually happened on 9-11, I think that the Germans could also obscure what happened in Koln, or elsewhere. They certainly have reason to do so.

    I was about to click on “Agree” but witheld it entirely because of your reference to 9/11.

    I came to look at the multitude of different highly assertive truther positions very late, and still without emotion, except rising derision and wry puzzlement. Like nearly all truthers I haven’t read much of the official commission report but I have learned the probable truth on key points from the absurdities of the truthers.

    Your post suggests non paranoid realism and rationality so, in the hope of finding just one UR commentator who enjoys changing his mind or at least entertaining possibilities I proffer

    1. Set aside the possibility of Mossad prior information and Saudi money adding to ObL’s own to provode the modest fonance needed for 19 volunteer highjackers because that, while maybe true, doesn’t matter one way or the other.
    2. Ask “who had far the biggest motive- perhaps the only motive – to get the US involved in a war in Afghanistam?” Clearly ObL, , who remembered what happened to the Soviets there and to Americans in Vietnam: by a margin of 10 to 1. (And the one could be the arms industry that just wants its products to be used up somewhere. Those wanting war in Iraq are hardly on the rationally discerned horizon).
    By the way ObL was the big winner.

    3. Wasn’t 9/11 ‘s multiple simultaneous attacks just an upgrade on established Al Qaeda tactica? Wasn’t the WTC already in Al Qaeda’s sights as a symbolic target (since 1993 or earlier)?

    4. If there was a problem about the weight of floors above a heat weakened set of relatively novel lightweight steel structures being enough to bring down the towers (and WTC7) wouldn’t the obvious person to say so be the structuaral engineer Robertson who designed the WTC structures in anticipation of aircraft strike but not for the effects of consequent high temperature fires? He didn’t but pointed out the architects were responsible for fire protection.

    5. Why did WTC2 take so much less time to collapse after the impact than WTC1? Obviously (mostly) because the weight of floors 87 to 110 is much greater than floors 100 to 110! Consider the alternative nonsensical beliefs required if demolition by explosives is one’s supposition…

    6. The clever plotters are so clever they can, with total confidence, defeat human error and arrange
    (a) for the demolition charges to be concealed in WTCs 1 and 2 (and 7!!! but that is loony toon stuff) at floors 78 to 86 in WTC2 and 95 to 99 in WTC so as to be undetected while being installed and afterwards, and so no compelling evidence of demolition or failed attempt at it is found after the demolition of at least one tower (NB they have of course mastered the technical complexities in demolition fromupper floors rather than the basement ;
    (b) for the highjackings to take place and both flights to reliably continue under whatever kind of control so precisely that both towers would actually be struck and in each case at exactly the right levels;
    (c) find a reason why it was necessary for the towers to have to be destroyed rather than just have a few floors destroyed and a few hundred lives lost if the aim was to start a war centred on ObL (not forgetting all round risk assessment);
    (d) be sure that no Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning or Russian or other hacker isn’t going to preserve and make public credible evidence of the plot especially since they have not taken the precaution of crashing into the buildings at weekends or maybe 7.30 am before many people are at work.

    Enough to be going on with…..Remember that the only alternative to the truth that Osama bin Laden scored a huge victory, magnified by the unforseeable monatrous folly and hubris of those who took advantage of one arena for folly to create a greater one in Iraq, is that someone or more plotters picked up on the need, courtesy of PNAC, for “a Pearl Harbor event” to somehow persuade others to produce the wholly incredible scenario I have derided above.

    Alternatively I would like to see more attention to studying individuals and small groups who have got very close to power without being elected president or inheriting a throne. Rumsfeld equals Rasputin? Maybe but Thomas Cromwell is closer (and eventually Henry retired him in the customary contemporary manner). Mrs Woodrow Wilson? Actually she provides the contrast with Rumsfeld as she had not held positions of power and influence from a young age and wouldn’t have been brimming with the sense of potency and rightness that Rumsfeld exhibited. Here’s a passage from Rumsfeld’s dream diary: “Frankly who needs to be elected as the pretty face without an idea in his head that matters , and programmed eliciter of standing ovations? Give me a mate like Dick Cheney, a VP with clout, access on demand, and the Defence Department: look out unfinished business, here I come. Who is going to be rembered from the George the Less’ years as the remaker of the ME with all that will have flowed from that?”.

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    I only brought up 9/11 because it's in the article. If one believes that the hijackers were patsies and the U.S. government covered for the real culprits (which is what most hard-core truthers believe), then one should also see it as possible that the German government would be able obscure what happened in Koln, which would be a much easier task that the German government would have every reason to perform.

    There is no way that I could know exactly what happened on 9/11, but I suspect that the media/official story is manipulated, at the very least. When I watched the first building fall on television, my immediate thought was that it looked like demolitions that I have seen. I know that doesn't mean that there was a demolition, but I can see how the claim can be made. The Israeli movers and art students were also very suspicious, and the fact that groups of pilots, architects and structural engineers also question the official story, gives lots of ammo to anyone else who wishes to do so. I get why there is a truther movement, but it would probably make more sense to concentrate on the lies that were told to involve the U.S. in two Iraq wars, which would be an easier case to prove, and the cast of villains would be the same.
  121. edNels says:

    @JR
    I for one really applaud your version of BS… I mean especially with your …”short hand” .

    Revuski, please do more of this [short hand means to designate] from the crap.

    Believe you me Revuski, you are just scratching a surface.

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  122. @Randal

    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?
     
    I think the sentence is pretty clear. There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents. Is that really difficult for you to understand?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax?
     
    Women falsely alleging rape is a pretty commonplace event, sadly. Fantasists, paranoia and delusions, malicious attacks on particular men, blackmail attempts ... It's hardly surprising that this kind of news story would attract such.


    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I’ve looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn’t happen.
     
    Odd, because I did a quick search just now for "cologne sexual assault convictions" and came up with plenty of supporting evidence. Now I'm not interested in wasting a lot of time forensically examining the details of every story, because I clearly remember the reports at the time and I'm not yet old enough to doubt my memory that easily, and because it really isn't at all surprising that immigrants, especially muslims, will tend to engage in this kind of behaviour.

    Here, for instance, is a Reuters report on the convictions of two men, an Iraqi and an Algerian, last July:

    German court issues first convictions in Cologne mob sex attacks

    Presumably these convictions were false, in your view, because you haven't seen any video or photographic evidence of the crimes in question?

    From the Reuters report:

    "The Cologne police chief was forced to resign and women's rights activists launched the "no means no" awareness campaign after the attacks, which prompted a debate about problems arising from trying to integrate the new arrivals.

    The court said the two men along with a group of 10 to 15 other men separated two victims from one another. It added that the Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.

    The Algerian prevented a man accompanying the victim from intervening to stop the attack and asked him if he would "abandon the girl for 5,000 euros." He was found guilty of being an accessory to the sexual assault crime.
    "

    Your contention is presumably then that such well known bastions of the Alt Right as Reuters, German women's rights activists and the Cologne police chief all colluded in a plot to try to make immigrants look bad?

    And here, from the Guardian, is a report of a case where (unsurprisingly) the victims and witnesses were unable to confidently identify the alleged perpetrators (a pair of Algerian brothers allegedly part of a mob of ten who perpetrated the assault and theft, who had been caught with the victims' mobile phones in their possession - clearly not enough in itself to convict them of any crime other than handling stolen goods, but there seems no particular reason to doubt the testimony of the victims as to the events in general, though you will presumably just say "pictures, or it didn't happen").

    Cologne sexual assault case collapses

    Here's Breitbart, admittedly not the most reliable source in general, quoting some detailed statistics on the event in question which are sourced via a German webpage (I have no idea how reliable it is) to the prosecutor's office. The linked German story (here translated by Google) also mentions the obvious reason why so few of the recorded complaints would be likely to give rise to successful prosecutions:

    "Cologne Sex Attacks One Year On: 1300 Victims, Just 18 Convictions"

    "On New Year's Eve, women in Cologne were massively harassed, robbed and sexually harassed. From the very beginning, legal processing had been difficult - the conditions on the square in front of the main station were chaotic. Often victims could not identify the perpetrators.

    By December, according to the prosecutor's office 1222 criminal charges were investigated in the investigation complex, 513 of which refer to the allegation of a sexual assault. These include sexual coercion, rape and "sexually motivated" insults. 1310 people claim to have become a crime at New Year's Eve victims, at 662 it is about sexual assaults. In 28 cases, an attempted or completed rape was displayed.
    "

    And especially for you, here's a quote on Wikipedia (again a notoriously unreliable source, but hardly a famous bastion of the Alt Right, and far more likely to be covering up such events than needlessly giving them credibility), in which the new police chief of Cologne specifically refers to the video evidence you claim doesn't exist (and its limited use in these kinds of situation):

    Questioned as to why the most perpetrators in Cologne are not accused of sexual offences but of robbery and theft, Mathies replied, "It is easier to determine on the basis of video images: That person just took a cell phone away. Than: He has fingered a woman. These pictures are indeed anything but good."[47]

    It really is not remotely surprising that some young men in a foreign country and at the bottom of the social heap would engage in this kind of activity, nor that those from a muslim cultural background with very different public mores would be more likely to do so. It takes a determined ideological motivation to insist on ignoring evidence that corroborates such common sense in favour of pretending it's all some kind of propaganda lie (and supposedly perpetrated by racists and nationalists, of all people, by far the most marginalised and excluded political grouping in the countries of western Europe and the US) just because you spot some exaggerations and lies.

    Very good stuff compellingly presented. Perhaps I allowed myself to give JR too much credit for drawing attention to the relatively new consideration that what one can often expect to support 21st centtury stories is the product of the ubiquitous smartphone. Odd that he missed some older presumptions that should apply in assessing events such as those in Murmansk Oblast. For example the motives of nightclub owner, local authorities and army to deny the truth if there was some sort of altercation involving young soldiers that got a bit out of hand. Plus “no smoke without fire” which applies for two reasons. First it is a reasonably accurate generalisation about observed reality. Second, fabulists know it is better not to rely on creating stories out of whole cloth when some existing truth can be pointed to or relied on as having laid down some preconception in readers’ minds.

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    I think he makes some good observations about the impact of the modern ubiquity of cameras and video recording equipment and how this should affect our analysis of reported events, and also about the resources the internet provides for investigation of news stories, although he overstates his case. And of course he is right about bullshit, but misses the point that one man's bullshit is often another's clever and important analysis.

    And then he dives right in to provide his own portion of bullshit by insisting that "nothing happened in Cologne" when, evidently, something did.

    From my pov, he touches on the interesting issues when he asserts that the exaggerations to which he draws attention (and himself exaggerates) discredit the cause they purport to serve, and presumably therefore this effect outweighs any motivational effects the propaganda itself might generate for the cause it is intended to serve. He does not explore the issue, however, and I'm not convinced this is the case - as I observed above, as far as I can see the liars have been winning for decades at least (particularly ironic that a Holocaust/9/11 dissenter should fail to see this), and maybe the Straussians are right as to the means, and as to the end justifying the means.

    Odd that he missed some older presumptions that should apply in assessing events such as those in Murmansk Oblast. For example the motives of nightclub owner, local authorities and army to deny the truth if there was some sort of altercation involving young soldiers that got a bit out of hand. Plus “no smoke without fire” which applies for two reasons. First it is a reasonably accurate generalisation about observed reality. Second, fabulists know it is better not to rely on creating stories out of whole cloth when some existing truth can be pointed to or relied on as having laid down some preconception in readers’ minds.
     
    Yes, it's certainly still possible that there was some minor incident that was exaggerated beyond credibility.
  123. @Sergey Krieger
    The whole thing is nothing special. In my young years and my dad told me about his there were a lot of things like this. I have no doubt that those strangers were beaten because it is always was this way in Russia. Actually, there was similar case in my life involving my buddies beating up Uzbeks coming to pick our girl with one of those Uzbeks later staying in hospital for 4 months.
    going to other guys place and picking their girls there and especially behaving the way those Muslims do in Germany.,... Bad, very bad move. Hell, one was risking a lot just going and dancing at other guys local disco. Picking local girls ??? Those guys must have been suicidal.

    I think Sergey’s explanation is the most likely scenario, and CanSpeccy’s observation that the police probably were sympathetic to those who attacked the strangers is probably correct.

    It sounds to me that the denial was just a case of ‘What happens in Murmansk stays in Murmansk.’

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  124. edNels says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    I completely agree with Jeffrey Sinclair on this point.

    I don't like the term "DEEP STATE"...for this term reeks of a hidden super-intelligent Cabal(The Fart Joke loving Bush Family..."250 Fart Jokes" to be specific and exact...) What is called the "DEEP STATE" is just the usual suspects:Military Industrial Complex+Israeli Firsters taking advantage of the Patriotards who are looking forward to the upcommimg NCAA Div 1 Football Season....the upcoming NFL season....and Fantasy Football 2017.


    In other words, the Deep State is just another upcomming year of Mega-Corporate Power colluding with the Neocon-Israeli Firsters mixed into the rancid toilet of Cornball Americana....

    Hi Blair Mt.

    I liked what you said:

    In other words, the Deep State is just another upcomming year of Mega-Corporate Power colluding with the Neocon-Israeli Firsters mixed into the rancid toilet of Cornball Americana

    Oh by the way I agree with the concept that: Let’s not us Nordic/Germanic/be further used or abusused… but let’s not continue to be… TROUNCED! TROUNCED!

    GET real shit heads! They will kill kill kill… your little ones…. / and other’s one’s too! no problem. Because them’s are ugly.. black and brown… ugly too? Get Real Bitch’s.

    I believe that most normal folks know that so much is done that is terrible,and we won’t support that, but that is fine and dandy… hey they don’t give a shit.. hence/ HENCE:

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  125. For what might be thought of as a shorter, sharper and perhaps more sophisticated version of JR’s long essay this could be the alternative:

    Want to change the media? Don’t get mad — get even – https://www.ft.com/content/2ba2f132-6c18-11e7-bfeb-33fe0c5b7eaa via @FT

    It is by Gillian Tett in the FT weekend edition

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  126. @CanSpeccy

    going to other guys place and picking their girls there and especially behaving the way those Muslims do in Germany.,… Bad, very bad move.
     
    Yes, and the fact the police said the incident did not occur may mean only that they shared the feelings of the alleged perpetrators — as seems entirely probable.

    And the idea that Mediterranean types would not be out and about in Murmansk in the winter is simply inane. There are plenty of Mediterranean types to be seen at Canadian ski resorts when the chill factor is 30 below.

    Yes, and the fact the police said the incident did not occur may mean only that they shared the feelings of the alleged perpetrators — as seems entirely probable.

    First of all, many of you would do well to read some of these web pages out there that outline the major logical fallacies — straw man, ad hominem, beg the question…

    The one you’re engaging in is called “Morton’s Fork”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton%27s_fork

    The original Morton’s fork is the tax collector, who, when he sees somebody living in a lavish style, figures the guy should pay a lot of taxes, because obviously he’s loaded. If the same person is observed to be living an extremely frugal life, he surely should pay a lot of taxes, because, look at how frugally the guy is living, so he must have a lot of money socked away.

    If somebody tells you that the police say this happened, then you’ll say: “Yeah, the police say this happened” and then if somebody says that the police say it didn’t happen, you say: “Look at how the police are covering things up.” This is typical of highly ideological people, whether on the right or the left. You end up creating a completely unfalsifiable belief system.

    As for this Murmansk story, it very very clearly did not happen. In particular, the version with 51 people and 18 of them hospitalized is likely physically impossible simply because the Gandvik bar does not even hold more than 50 people. Bringing up visuals of the site tells you this.

    The main phone numbers are right there on the little map embedded in the article. Anybody who can speak Russian can call the local hospital there and see whether 18 (or any!) Arabs were hospitalized on the night of 29 January 2016. I have not done that, by the way, but I am utterly confident that you could call any of those phone numbers, like the hospital, or Gandvik bar itself, and ask people about Arabs getting beaten up and they would not know WTF you are talking about. I am sure of this. I did enough work verifying that there is no need for me to go from 1000% certainty to 10,000% certainty.

    But hey, if you think I’m wrong about this, you can do the work and prove me wrong. Or try to… I know that you never will do that, because you’re a bullshitter and bullshitters will never make any effort to verify facts, but nonetheless, I point that you could do that. There are phone numbers and so on. These people only speak Russian, of course, but you just need to find somebody who is a Russian speaker to help you out. That is not an insuperable problem.

    There are plenty of Mediterranean types to be seen at Canadian ski resorts when the chill factor is 30 below.

    I never said that this was a decisive consideration. I simply said that it was just one aspect that caused me to doubt the story. I concluded that the story was false at a 1000% level of confidence by systematically researching it.

    In any case, your comparison is obtuse. The Arab refugees passing through the Russian North are not on a damned skiing holiday, for crying out loud!

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    The main phone numbers are right there on the little map embedded in the article. Anybody who can speak Russian can call the local hospital there and see whether 18 (or any!) Arabs were hospitalized on the night of 29 January 2016. I have not done that ...
     
    There's no obligation on anyone to do the work to disprove an implausible thesis.

    And when the author says he's "utterly confident" that if the reader did the work that the author should have done (if he wished to be believed), they'd be convinced of what the author claims is "very very clear," we know we are dealing with someone who has yet to adopt a professional approach to journalism.
  127. @Jonathan Revusky

    Imagine! Someone describing themselves as an unrepentant magic bullet man.
     
    Hi Linh. You know, the above is really a kind of money quote. I mean, the dude says: "I'm an unrepentant magic bullet man". So, the guy says openly he believes in magic, in a miracle, he is tacitly accepting the sheer implausibility (or downright impossibility) of the official story and PROUDLY proclaims that he believes it anyway.

    I mean, that's so Orwellian doublethink-ish, you know? I mean, on one level, he all but admits that he kinda knows that it's not true, but then says that he is a proud believer! This kind of thing is really an insight into that sort of left gatekeeper mentality, I think. He takes his capacity to do the Orwellian doublethink and delude himself and vaunts it as some kind of great virtue!

    I have made a mental note to use that in a future follow-up article. It's an incredible insight into these people, not just that line either, but the whole passage you quoted.

    As I now have to note in another reply to you your confidence is betrayed by a lack of attention to detail that is at odds with your intellectual pretensions.

    You have left out the caps from “Magic Bullet” without even considering (I say confidently as you don’t mention it) its evidence of his subtle self-deprecation. Clearly he wasn’t asserting “of course I know Kennedy just couldn’t have been shot by Oswald but believe it anyway”. That would have been idiotic and it takes a fair amount of idiocy or something comparable to suppose he was. More likely he was saying something like “I acknowledge all the controversy from self-proclsimed experts and the pathologically certain about it not being possible that Oswald shot Kennedy but kindly accept that what you call the Magic Bullet theory is, in the end, the most likely explanation and only possible one still standing in my honest opinion”. I would indulge the light ironic touch of his shorter version.

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  128. @Anonymous
    By deception we shall wage war...

    Mossard or Islam?

    Correct answer is both do it. Check the Qur'an.

    All is fair is life and war.

    *ThatDamnGood

    Mossard or Islam?

    Correct answer is both do it. Check the Qur’an.

    Dude, Islam is a major religious tradition, with different strands and substrands. Sunni, Shia, all that — broadly analogous to Catholics and Protestants and so forth.

    Mossad is an actual organization, an arm of the Israeli State. It’s a real, organized entity that…. does shit. You could compare Mossad to the Saudi Secret Services or Pakistani ISI, or another organization, but with “Islam” in its entirety!!??

    I mean, only a profoundly stupid, ignorant person would make this kind of false equivalence.

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    That's why you are Islamist hasbara with your disinformation piece above. So what brought you over to that side? The Idries Shah from the last century?

    *ThatDamnGood
  129. @Jonathan Revusky

    Of course I may have missed something but I am not sure why you dismiss the (up to) 5 Arabs version as decisively as you rightly dismiss the 50+ version.
     
    There is testimony from a couple of people, who were pretty clearly willing to be quoted by their full names, who said there were simply no Arabs in the club, i.e. ZERO. So the earlier version with 5 beaten up or the later version with 50 beaten up.... it doesn't matter really. There were no Arabs in the bar.

    The route up through the Arctic apparently costs about $5000 USD. These are not the dregs of society because the dregs don't have that kind of money. It's middle-class people desperate to get out. I came across other articles where people are quoted as saying that these people keep to themselves but in whatever interactions they have with the local people, they are very polite and cultured. These people never go into a bar there and start grabbing pussies. It's just a lie. It's not a question of being a Muslim lover or anything. The whole story is just a complete calumny from start to finish.


    You have shrewdly pointed to the absence of pictures as a major item of negative evidence that appies also to Cologne (but what about Tahir Square in Cairo one might object in turn).
     
    Well, uh, I'm a simple-minded guy. When I looked for proof of what they say happened in Cologne, I wanted visuals from Cologne, not from Cairo or from... Timbuktu. I figure that only photos from Cologne can prove something happened in Cologne. I have seen, at times, that you make some strange arguments, but I assumed even you knew that only photos taken in Cologne could be proof of whatever they say happened in Cologne, no?

    If you wrote less and took more time and care to read, understand, and think about what you presume to criticise your posing as an intellectual whose superciliously expressed view that another’s arguments are at times “strange* would not seem as ridiculous as your errors make it.

    Your obvious misreading or misrepresentation in this case can only have proceeded from your egotistic presumption that you are right and everyone uttering something which doesn’t flatter that view deserves only your patronising disdain. After all it should not be difficult to understand that

    1. I was acknowledging not only that your “no visuals” point had merit in the Russian case but could have wider validity as evidenced (scil. on your say so) of the lack of visuals from Cologne ;

    2. I was qualifying that by suggesting that there might have been an equivalent lack of visual evidence for the attacks which undoubtedly occurred in Tahrir Square so that lack of visuals might not be as strong evidence of there being no attack as it might at first sight appear to be.

    3. I said absolutely nothing which could justify your twisting of my words to mean that what went on in Tahrir Square or pictures of it could have any bearing on what happened in Cologne or its visual representation.

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  130. @James N. Kennett
    It was all going so well: the author debunked the Murmansk (Oblast) story. I was anticipating a conclusion about how the Russian story had been invented shortly after the Cologne attacks, describing a place on the known migrant trail, in order to compare the virtues of Russian men with their less manly German counterparts.

    But having debunked the Russian story, the author declared that by doing so he had also debunked the German one!

    A quick search on YouTube finds many uploads of the events in Cologne on New Year 2015/16, most of them copies of one or two originals. The quality of the film is severely limited by the lighting and the scene (even before faces were blurred for legal reasons). The people are in low light, but there is bright, often dazzling, light from shop windows and fireworks. There is a dense crowd, so it is difficult to see what is happening among people who are not in the first row in front of the camera. Typical mobile phone footage is here:

    https://youtu.be/yK3CvoJS6rI

    The contemporary reports of sexual assault typically describe a group of men surrounding the victim and groping her, in a few cases proceeding to rape. The latter might include assault by digital penetration while the victim is standing.

    With the best will in the world, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above, that such attacks were not taking place within the field of view of the camera; or that detection would have been possible even if 100 people had been filming from different places in the crowd. This indicates a problem with Revusky's Razor:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.
     
    "Wide open" must be qualified so it does not include "overcrowded". The possible spectators must not have their view obstructed and must also have acceptable lighting conditions.

    With additions in bold, I suggest:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people but not overcrowded, with adequate lighting conditions and no fog, mist or smoke, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.
     
    or simply:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a public space within plain sight of a large number of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.
     
    There may well be a story about the exaggeration, even the non-occurrence, of the events in Cologne on New Year 2015/16, but Revusky's Razor has not revealed it. I invite the author to conduct as thorough an analysis of the media reports of Cologne as he has done for those of Polyarnye Zori.

    I was anticipating a conclusion about how the Russian story had been invented shortly after the Cologne attacks, describing a place on the known migrant trail, in order to compare the virtues of Russian men with their less manly German counterparts.

    Well, the whole “manly Russian men” versus the German girlie men subnarrative is very clearly inserted into this thing and its presentation. As for that being the main purpose of the thing, I kind of doubt that. But look, when you examine any of these synthetic events closely, you invariably see that there are these various narrative strands running through it.

    Like, with Orlando, it’s amazing. There’s the whole gay thing, there’s the whole Muslims hate gays thing, there’s ISIS, there’s Afghanistan, there’s gun control. I mean, you look at that, and you wonder what the likelihood that all these talking points would really intersect in one organically occurring event. The probability must be infinitesimal.

    But one does not know what the main purpose is. Always, there’s the negative portrayal of Muslims. That’s a constant now. But then this thing about the manly Russian men… well, they are hyping the Russians as some kind of threat, so maybe there’s a bit of that. I mean, the whole thing is silly. The reason to worry about Russia is that they have a massive nuclear arsenal, for example, not that they are manly men who beat up people in bars. That’s just silly. But there’s something about this, the PC metrosexual Germans as the flipside of that subnarrative… they must know that this is the kind of thing that Alt-Right people will just eat up.

    But having debunked the Russian story, the author declared that by doing so he had also debunked the German one!

    Well, that’s just a lame straw-man. I never said that. If you sincerely think that I said that, go back and look at what I wrote.

    What I did say was that both of these synthetic events share a common issue, which is the sheer cartoonishness of them. And the lack of visuals available.

    There is a general point running through various things I’ve written, which is the recognition of patterns in synthetic events. So, you can see that, with the JFK assassination, they have their patsy and the media is saying he did it from the get-go and so on. And then you can see that same pattern in plenty of other events and have an Aha moment, but that’s not at all the same as saying that the JFK hit being a Deep State operation proves that RFK or MLK were as well. (Though they were, obviously.:-) I’m saying that recognizing patterns really is a tip-off but I’m not saying it’s definitive proof.

    As for the video you embed, just watch it with the sound off and tell me what you see. Do you see anything that looks like a sexual assault? This is a classic trick. You post a video and you say it portrays something and a lot of people, I guess, will just believe you without even checking.

    With the best will in the world, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above, that such attacks were not taking place within the field of view of the camera; (blah blah)

    Uhh…. by the same token, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above that, somewhere nearby, I was having sex with Julia Roberts but that this was not taking place within the field of view of the camera…

    I mean, this is just vacuous, man. Sure, the video doesn’t provide any proof regarding what the video did not capture! The point is that the video simply DOES NOT SHOW WHAT IT IS PURPORTED TO SHOW.

    It’s a fraud and the whole synthetic event of the Muslim Rape Army descending on Cologne is just a fraud.

    I invite the author to conduct as thorough an analysis of the media reports of Cologne as he has done for those of Polyarnye Zori.

    LOL. How do you know I haven’t? Why do you think I say with such confidence that the Cologne incident never happened?

    Are you saying that I should have written, say, a 20,000 word essay?

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    As for the video you embed, just watch it with the sound off and tell me what you see. Do you see anything that looks like a sexual assault? This is a classic trick. You post a video and you say it portrays something and a lot of people, I guess, will just believe you without even checking.

    With the best will in the world, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above, that such attacks were not taking place within the field of view of the camera; (blah blah)
     
    Uhh…. by the same token, it is not possible to declare, by examining the film linked above that, somewhere nearby, I was having sex with Julia Roberts but that this was not taking place within the field of view of the camera…

    I mean, this is just vacuous, man. Sure, the video doesn’t provide any proof regarding what the video did not capture! The point is that the video simply DOES NOT SHOW WHAT IT IS PURPORTED TO SHOW.
     

    Never mind the headline attached to the video; or your false assertion that I said it portrayed a sexual assault; you seem to have agreed with me on my main point.

    Your article argues that if the sexual assaults happened, there should be pictures or video footage. I am pointing out that this opinion is not compatible with the quality of images that can be recorded in a dense crowd at night under adverse lighting conditions.

    At one point in the film a woman shouts "du sollst mich nicht anfassen" ("don't touch me"). Can you see the woman who is shouting, or what is happening to her? The answer is "no", and even if you had footage from other people in the crowd, that would most likely be equally unhelpful.

    I am sorry to say that Revusky's Razor is not as sharp as you think.

  131. @OilcanFloyd
    Who actually claimed that there is a Muslim Rape Army? I've often heard the refugees called invaders, and it is an invasion, but a Rape Army? I don't think I've heard that one before. Even if there is no Rape Army, it's obvious that there is a problem. The immigrants are unable and unwilling to assimilate, and there is some real animosity towards the West on the part of many immigrants.

    Also, if the U.S. government could cloud the issue of what actually happened on 9-11, I think that the Germans could also obscure what happened in Koln, or elsewhere. They certainly have reason to do so.

    Who actually claimed that there is a Muslim Rape Army?

    Sheesh, only an utterly dishonest or profoundly stupid person would start with this kind of nonsense. OBVIOUSLY, when I refer to the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, I am not suggesting that anybody is saying that there is literally an army with uniforms, ranks, and insignia!

    … The immigrants are unable and unwilling to assimilate, and there is some real animosity towards the West on the part of many immigrants.

    Yeah, I understand that this is one of the talking points you are supposed to insert into any discussion about this, but the thing is that I made absolutely clear in the essay that I am not an advocate of mass immigration at all. So the above is just a straw-man, arguing with me as if I am a mass immigration advocate, when I’m not.

    I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year’s eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?

    NONE. I investigated the question and that means that I tried to find some real convincing proof and every path you go down just leads to a dead end, nowhere. It is impossible to convince oneself that this really happened.

    I believe that any intellectually honest person who investigated this alleged incident, as I have, would come to the conclusion that it is a hoax.

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    Sheesh, only an utterly dishonest or profoundly stupid person would start with this kind of nonsense. OBVIOUSLY, when I refer to the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, I am not suggesting that anybody is saying that there is literally an army with uniforms, ranks, and insignia!
     
    I've never heard the term Muslim Rape Army before, which is why I stated as much. There obviously isn't an army, but there is a very large, and very real problem.

    The fact that there are mosques and Muslims all over Europe means that the people coming to Europe are not assimilating, and have no desire to do so. I'm not sure what definition of assimilation you are using but I see lots of people who are not assimilating when I go to Europe. If they were assimilating, they would take on the culture and customs of Europeans, and live indistinguishably among their hosts, which is not happening in many cases. That's a factual observation, not a talking point.

    I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year’s eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?
     
    It's been pointed out quite a few times that there have been convictions, so something obviously happened. My guess is that the case files haven't been opened for you, so you haven't really investigated much. Have you been to Cologne to interview witnesses? My guess is that you haven't.
  132. @Jonathan Revusky

    The CCTV cameras are controlled by those who have a vested interest in killing the story.
     
    First, could you explain to me why the above is not a "conspiracy theory"?

    Second of all, what are they to do about all the people around who can film it on their cell phones?

    Third of all, don't you see any problem with erecting some argument that is unfalsifiable? You know, there is CCTV footage so it happened. There is no CCTV footage, so the authorities are suppressing it for some nefarious reason, but the shit happened...

    Dude, your logic is really all over the place. Just because something is a conspiracy theory does not mean it can’t be fact.

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  133. @Ron Unz

    The problem is that if you’ve got a wide open space like that with hundreds of people around and pretty much every last person there has a video camera in his pocket, how can there be absolutely no visuals that correspond to what they say happened?

    It’s obviously impossible.
     
    Well, I managed to get some very troublesome software work finished, so I thought I'd take a look at this amusing thread. And sure enough, Revusky is repeating his "if it had happened, there would be hundreds of videos and photos" argument about any violent event.

    Well, I'm skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.

    During violent events that are unexpected, most people are probably too flustered to whip out their smartphones, press all the right buttons, and begin filming away. I certainly would be.

    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I'd guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public. I'm not sure that more than a tiny handful are videoed and put up on YouTube, except, sometimes, by the foolishly vainglorious (and prepared) killers who want their fame on WorldStarHipPop. So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.

    Here's a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?...

    Oh, here’s a separate question that is only peripherally related, but I thought would interest you. You earlier said that people (particularly blacks themselves) tend to drastically overestimate how many blacks there are in the U.S.

    I was wondering the same sort of question about this issue. How many Muslims do these white nationalists here think there are in Europe? The way they talk, they must think that the Muslims are close to becoming a majority or something, no? Here is a very interesting article on the estimates that people in various countries give of their own country’s Muslim population:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/12/14/most-countries-hugely-overestimate-their-muslim-population-infographic/#2a0dada04112

    Isn’t that something? A typical Frenchman thinks that his country is 31% Muslim and the real figure is apparently 7.5%. I mean, that’s nearly a 4x overestimate. The average German thinks that Germany is 21% Muslim, when it’s 5%. Again, a 4x overestimate.

    The average American thinks that the USA is 16% Muslim when it’s 1%. That’s a 16-fold overestimate!

    I mean, my feeling of the people I’m talking to here is that they are pretty deranged. I mean, okay, if you project existing trends forward a couple of decades, say…. but a lot of the rhetoric in the articles that you have been hosting would make a lot more sense if the Muslim populations were really far far higher than they really are. I mean, how many Muslims do the various ethno-nationalists think there are in Europe currently?

    I don’t know, but in casual observation, these are not very fact-oriented people. They have a culture of just repeating things and never verifying facts, and that is one of the main real points of this article. So maybe some of them think that France is 31% Muslim currently or something?

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  134. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Randal

    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?
     
    I think the sentence is pretty clear. There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents. Is that really difficult for you to understand?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax?
     
    Women falsely alleging rape is a pretty commonplace event, sadly. Fantasists, paranoia and delusions, malicious attacks on particular men, blackmail attempts ... It's hardly surprising that this kind of news story would attract such.


    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I’ve looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn’t happen.
     
    Odd, because I did a quick search just now for "cologne sexual assault convictions" and came up with plenty of supporting evidence. Now I'm not interested in wasting a lot of time forensically examining the details of every story, because I clearly remember the reports at the time and I'm not yet old enough to doubt my memory that easily, and because it really isn't at all surprising that immigrants, especially muslims, will tend to engage in this kind of behaviour.

    Here, for instance, is a Reuters report on the convictions of two men, an Iraqi and an Algerian, last July:

    German court issues first convictions in Cologne mob sex attacks

    Presumably these convictions were false, in your view, because you haven't seen any video or photographic evidence of the crimes in question?

    From the Reuters report:

    "The Cologne police chief was forced to resign and women's rights activists launched the "no means no" awareness campaign after the attacks, which prompted a debate about problems arising from trying to integrate the new arrivals.

    The court said the two men along with a group of 10 to 15 other men separated two victims from one another. It added that the Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.

    The Algerian prevented a man accompanying the victim from intervening to stop the attack and asked him if he would "abandon the girl for 5,000 euros." He was found guilty of being an accessory to the sexual assault crime.
    "

    Your contention is presumably then that such well known bastions of the Alt Right as Reuters, German women's rights activists and the Cologne police chief all colluded in a plot to try to make immigrants look bad?

    And here, from the Guardian, is a report of a case where (unsurprisingly) the victims and witnesses were unable to confidently identify the alleged perpetrators (a pair of Algerian brothers allegedly part of a mob of ten who perpetrated the assault and theft, who had been caught with the victims' mobile phones in their possession - clearly not enough in itself to convict them of any crime other than handling stolen goods, but there seems no particular reason to doubt the testimony of the victims as to the events in general, though you will presumably just say "pictures, or it didn't happen").

    Cologne sexual assault case collapses

    Here's Breitbart, admittedly not the most reliable source in general, quoting some detailed statistics on the event in question which are sourced via a German webpage (I have no idea how reliable it is) to the prosecutor's office. The linked German story (here translated by Google) also mentions the obvious reason why so few of the recorded complaints would be likely to give rise to successful prosecutions:

    "Cologne Sex Attacks One Year On: 1300 Victims, Just 18 Convictions"

    "On New Year's Eve, women in Cologne were massively harassed, robbed and sexually harassed. From the very beginning, legal processing had been difficult - the conditions on the square in front of the main station were chaotic. Often victims could not identify the perpetrators.

    By December, according to the prosecutor's office 1222 criminal charges were investigated in the investigation complex, 513 of which refer to the allegation of a sexual assault. These include sexual coercion, rape and "sexually motivated" insults. 1310 people claim to have become a crime at New Year's Eve victims, at 662 it is about sexual assaults. In 28 cases, an attempted or completed rape was displayed.
    "

    And especially for you, here's a quote on Wikipedia (again a notoriously unreliable source, but hardly a famous bastion of the Alt Right, and far more likely to be covering up such events than needlessly giving them credibility), in which the new police chief of Cologne specifically refers to the video evidence you claim doesn't exist (and its limited use in these kinds of situation):

    Questioned as to why the most perpetrators in Cologne are not accused of sexual offences but of robbery and theft, Mathies replied, "It is easier to determine on the basis of video images: That person just took a cell phone away. Than: He has fingered a woman. These pictures are indeed anything but good."[47]

    It really is not remotely surprising that some young men in a foreign country and at the bottom of the social heap would engage in this kind of activity, nor that those from a muslim cultural background with very different public mores would be more likely to do so. It takes a determined ideological motivation to insist on ignoring evidence that corroborates such common sense in favour of pretending it's all some kind of propaganda lie (and supposedly perpetrated by racists and nationalists, of all people, by far the most marginalised and excluded political grouping in the countries of western Europe and the US) just because you spot some exaggerations and lies.

    lies

    This is what bugs me. The author is either clinically, genuinely delusional or he’s deliberately lying and insulting our intelligence in the process. Could be both, really.

    And he’s still doing it deep in the comment section. Unreal.

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    JR seems to be clearly deluded, quite possibly mentally ill...total conspiracy theory nutcase (Holocaust, 9/11, Sandy Hook shooting and now the Cologne assaults as well...all made up according to him). There's probably no point in having a discussion with such a person. Still, it's interesting to see something like this on Unz review, just to see how deranged some people can be.
    , @Randal
    In his determination to insist that there is "nothing" at the root of the warnings about muslim immigrant behaviour and his use of the term "racist" as a insult, his writings reek of antiracist ideology being the motivating factor, though he is careful to explicitly deny this. I don't know - the impression is that perhaps he doth protest too much, on that score.
  135. Che Guava says:

    The article was so very long, so full of set-up dialogues with an imaginary friend, so full of your ‘I am so clever’ poor wordplay, a few about the town in the Murmansk Oblast, only that part is any good. and then you set it up to deny the rapefugee attacks, including in Cologne, sorry, your writing is full of shit, personal boasting, I have a good idea why it is, you are utterly smug as a Jewish person.

    Your writing is bad, you tracked one falsehood down through the ‘net, then you extrapolate it to say another among many others is untrue.

    Almost 12,000 words. What a waste of space and time to reading it. ‘Your’ concept of ‘synthetic reality’ is in no way new.

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    so full of set-up dialogues with an imaginary friend
     
    I've noticed that too and my armchair psychologist persona is making faces and fidgeting in his... armchair. Let's just say I'm not convinced that the author had an opportunity to bounce these ideas with too many flesh and blood people. Half the article (50000 words) reads like someone monologuing in front of his indoor plants and pet iguanas.
  136. @Jonathan Revusky

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.
     
    Unpersuasive regarding what point? I assume that you mean the alleged events in Cologne of the New Years before last. I will compose the rest of my response based on the assumption that this is what you mean.


    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I’d guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public.
     
    Ron, from the article:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    I worded this quite carefully. I said specifically "in a wide open space full of people". I have no idea how many of the 15,000 annual homicides in the USA meet those conditions. So you are pretty clearly engaging in spurious reasoning.

    But also, the question of having visuals consistent with the event does not relate solely to capturing the murder itself on film. If somebody walked into Grand Central Station and shot some people, I can conceive of the possibility that this is not caught on camera. However, the event does not end there. The police come. It is not certain they are all dead so the ambulances arrive with paramedics. There is some widow wailing... the whole scene....

    So the real proposition is that, also, none of that ancillary activity is caught on camera either. Nothing. It is not solely that no actual raping is caught on the camera in the Cologne event, but there is no visual of any distraught women going about with their clothes torn off, anybody showing up and trying to comfort them...

    Even just looking at the overall set of spaces where this could have happened causes very great doubts:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Where specifically did all the raping happen? Do you think any of these people insisting that this happened can even tell you where?

    A previous commenter, one "German Reader" claims that various women were "digitally raped". I guess that means somebody put a finger in the vagina. I read that somewhere too. I was thinking about it. This allegedly happened on NYE in Germany, at night. What is the average temperature at midnight, say, on New Year's in Cologne? So what is the typical attire of a German girl in the middle of the winter? How many layers of clothes is she wearing?

    I mean, just try to visualize this.... I cannot visualize the crime. It's a summer crime, Ron. The girls now where I am are all wearing very skimpy clothing. If one were that way inclined, one could get close and do a "digital rape". Almost all the girls in Cologne on a New Year's eve are wearing blue jeans, I think, jeans of some sort... And they've got layers on top, like an overcoat and so on. It's very hard to get your finger in... you-know-where.. I mean, seriously, it's a real production!

    Look, maybe you've been busy and not paying attention, but I don't think you have a grasp of the level of Islamophobic hoaxes going on. There are a couple of friends, two women in Germany, who have a hobby documenting them all. It's called hoaxmap.org. The site is in German, but just look at the main page of the site with the map. It's really very illuminating. Here are a couple of articles about it in English:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hoax-map-germany-refugees-1.3444503
    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35542304

    Some of these false stories are absolutely extraordinary. One of them is that some migrant threw a toilet out the window because a "nonbeliever" sat on it. Just think about that...

    I mean, they are testing the limits of what people will believe. Just think about what a typical toilet weighs, even leaving aside what it is connected to! Think about how strong you would have to be to pick up a toilet and throw it out the window! And then where are you going to take a dump after that!!?? LOL!!!!

    I am wondering how much of your readership would believe a story of that nature? I dunno... a significant percentage. Needless to say, it is a hoax! :-)


    So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.
     
    Well, c'mon, Ron. You know, sometimes you talk down to people in an absolutely extraordinary way. You're a smart guy, I know, but you aren't the only person with a brain in his head. I know perfectly well that, of all crime statistics, homicide totals are likely to be pretty accurate, because you need a body and the body is unambiguously alive or dead and that's that. Well, unless the victim's name is Osama bin Laden, or a case like that, then I guess you don't need a body! LOL.

    So, okay, exactly how many people were murdered is not very much in dispute, give or take a handful. I understand that, of course, so, for you to represent that you think I don't understand that, is a bit silly, I find. It's very intellectually arrogant on your part. Yes, you're smarter than most people, okay, but the gap is probably not quite as big as you think it is.

    Anyway, the total number of rapes is another kettle of fish because there are enough dubious cases. Also, you can falsely claim somebody was raped but you can't really falsely claim they were murdered. And many rapes can go unreported, so it's very problematic. So you might find me arguing that the true numbers on rapes are different from the official numbers. But not homicides.

    And, then you have things like so-called "hate crimes", which is a very nebulous concept from the get-go...


    Here’s a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?…
     
    Ron, the question is a complete non-sequitir and merely shows that you have not given the matter enough thought. You would first have to say how many murders took place in a setting equivalent to Cologne's main railway station on a New Year's Eve. That is obviously a much, much lower number.

    Also, as I pointed out earlier, the question is not solely catching the crime on film, but the aftermath as well. We should have at least have visuals of police showing up, paramedics.... If there was a mass shooting event in Grand Central Station, but zero film of police and paramedics showing up afterwards, then what? Would you think that was strange?

    With Cologne, not only is no raping caught on camera, but there is no video consistent with the immediate aftermath, some hysterical female being comforted or something like that. There is absolutely nothing.

    ANd there's other stuff that makes one tend to think it's a hoax.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    One of the most egregious cases in Cologne turned out to be a false accusation:

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    This was echoed all over the place. I had reports of this woman's rape in my facebook feed. I noticed some months afterwards that it had come out that it was a total hoax. The woman was not even in Cologne.

    Also, it appears that some elements were trying to perpetrate a similar hoax the following New Year's in Frankfurt but the authorities there squashed that:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    Now, finally, for a meta point, Ron. I have provided various different links above that anybody can look at and draw whatever conclusions. Has anybody debating with me here ever provided any evidence at all? Any link? One guy screams hysterically that I am "scum" because I am skeptical of this. Scum? At worst, I'm just wrong, that's all. But what does all this suggest to a third party observer about what is going on in this debate?

    Man, you are a verbose MRA-denier.

    First of all, point a camera at a group of rambunctious migrant youth anywhere in the world and see what happens to you. If they are comitting sexual battery, they’re almost certainly going to keep cameras out of range, which is why you don’t see videos of a full-on act, but you do hear from a distance the shouts of women screaming “No” and “You can’t touch me like that!” Again, not explicit evidence of a crime, much less a MRA, but a strong indicator that something is not quite right. You do see videos of migrants acting in concert in a number of acts, but no, not the specific offence you claim is a hoax.

    You are quite quick to call me a conspiracy theorist, but you have essentially said that several hundred women acted in concert to report sexual assaults by the MRA … sorry, the alleged offending guests. That strikes me as the mother of all conspiracy theories.

    The average temperature that time of year is about 4 degrees C, or about 39F … not bikini weather, but short skirts wouldn’t be out of order in a first-world city on New Years eve. Most western men would enjoy the show, but would play by western rules and only touch with consent, implied or otherwise.

    As for your conjecture that surely German men wouldn’t stand by and merely watch, enjoy this little gem ….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aW8pa1Ocps

    I really enjoy the term MRA … it might not actually exist as a cohesive fighting unit, but the term pithily captures the spirit of the movement it describes. Well done, Revusky!

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  137. Che Guava says:

    Tried to re-edit my post, interrupted by a phone call, but just want to re-emphasise that your article was so full of your overblown sense of how clever you are, and sickening repetition, the main points lost any sympathy.

    You also made a nasty comment about the lily-white crowd you found in photos in the nightclub. Why shouldn’t they be? They are living there. Find a photo of a nightclub in Nigeria, comment on how they are soot-black. Etc. You have a really bad case of false consciousness, both re. your own self-importance, and the lives of other people.

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  138. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Revusky is a liar and this entire article is bullshit. I cut the image off his article and reverse image searched it through Google. The image that was supposedly a good example of a widely distributed but fake image of the London Bridge attacks. In reality the only results were from Indian and Turkish z grade sites. In reality the image is as likely a photoshop from a silly Revusky-like conspiracy site that has been picked up by incompetent third world hacks as anything else. Which is a good way to describe the journalist himself….

    It is pretty clear that Revusky’s main interest is more Muslim immigrants. Why?

    The link below may have expired, so anyone interested in proof may need to do it themselves. But just in case.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZis2WJU5bDakSmMXq5lu4Dya-dLbceKFw8bt_1OoT107429xhBThc0J5SzyBBT99pW9LnhWiZubdcWahXfWpLqBaJeMCHlBH69n9guwBubFwtvuhgcpoFElvQYoVxw3qHdooKTovRpeZ55tN2R8qzvthIDFStV377HMCiiAc0d6bwGz9Irg1YEe63Os88nmmano_1n9vpZJ1O6NCo5XVguLZOY-3tIeWXZBIPbKgm4ZJtjpd3EG8Yjrj9jF64yc_1aS7r1vt9rqZhClWTNbOF8bGAo1haz5tRo7QwsTHMw1PZDo-0pNA281jdAusd4V1CT77wVm8JdQ&gws_rd=cr&ei=L5F0WcLIDIOPgAbhipfIBA

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  139. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Randal

    The above is a very twisted sort of sentence. Are you saying that there is no Muslim Rape Army, but the story is true even if it never happened, à la Elie Wiesel?
     
    I think the sentence is pretty clear. There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents. Is that really difficult for you to understand?

    How come the one most scandalous incident turned out to be a hoax?
     
    Women falsely alleging rape is a pretty commonplace event, sadly. Fantasists, paranoia and delusions, malicious attacks on particular men, blackmail attempts ... It's hardly surprising that this kind of news story would attract such.


    There is not a shred of proof for the Cologne thing. I’ve looked and looked. The only explanation broadly consistent with the available facts on Cologne is that it simply didn’t happen.
     
    Odd, because I did a quick search just now for "cologne sexual assault convictions" and came up with plenty of supporting evidence. Now I'm not interested in wasting a lot of time forensically examining the details of every story, because I clearly remember the reports at the time and I'm not yet old enough to doubt my memory that easily, and because it really isn't at all surprising that immigrants, especially muslims, will tend to engage in this kind of behaviour.

    Here, for instance, is a Reuters report on the convictions of two men, an Iraqi and an Algerian, last July:

    German court issues first convictions in Cologne mob sex attacks

    Presumably these convictions were false, in your view, because you haven't seen any video or photographic evidence of the crimes in question?

    From the Reuters report:

    "The Cologne police chief was forced to resign and women's rights activists launched the "no means no" awareness campaign after the attacks, which prompted a debate about problems arising from trying to integrate the new arrivals.

    The court said the two men along with a group of 10 to 15 other men separated two victims from one another. It added that the Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.

    The Algerian prevented a man accompanying the victim from intervening to stop the attack and asked him if he would "abandon the girl for 5,000 euros." He was found guilty of being an accessory to the sexual assault crime.
    "

    Your contention is presumably then that such well known bastions of the Alt Right as Reuters, German women's rights activists and the Cologne police chief all colluded in a plot to try to make immigrants look bad?

    And here, from the Guardian, is a report of a case where (unsurprisingly) the victims and witnesses were unable to confidently identify the alleged perpetrators (a pair of Algerian brothers allegedly part of a mob of ten who perpetrated the assault and theft, who had been caught with the victims' mobile phones in their possession - clearly not enough in itself to convict them of any crime other than handling stolen goods, but there seems no particular reason to doubt the testimony of the victims as to the events in general, though you will presumably just say "pictures, or it didn't happen").

    Cologne sexual assault case collapses

    Here's Breitbart, admittedly not the most reliable source in general, quoting some detailed statistics on the event in question which are sourced via a German webpage (I have no idea how reliable it is) to the prosecutor's office. The linked German story (here translated by Google) also mentions the obvious reason why so few of the recorded complaints would be likely to give rise to successful prosecutions:

    "Cologne Sex Attacks One Year On: 1300 Victims, Just 18 Convictions"

    "On New Year's Eve, women in Cologne were massively harassed, robbed and sexually harassed. From the very beginning, legal processing had been difficult - the conditions on the square in front of the main station were chaotic. Often victims could not identify the perpetrators.

    By December, according to the prosecutor's office 1222 criminal charges were investigated in the investigation complex, 513 of which refer to the allegation of a sexual assault. These include sexual coercion, rape and "sexually motivated" insults. 1310 people claim to have become a crime at New Year's Eve victims, at 662 it is about sexual assaults. In 28 cases, an attempted or completed rape was displayed.
    "

    And especially for you, here's a quote on Wikipedia (again a notoriously unreliable source, but hardly a famous bastion of the Alt Right, and far more likely to be covering up such events than needlessly giving them credibility), in which the new police chief of Cologne specifically refers to the video evidence you claim doesn't exist (and its limited use in these kinds of situation):

    Questioned as to why the most perpetrators in Cologne are not accused of sexual offences but of robbery and theft, Mathies replied, "It is easier to determine on the basis of video images: That person just took a cell phone away. Than: He has fingered a woman. These pictures are indeed anything but good."[47]

    It really is not remotely surprising that some young men in a foreign country and at the bottom of the social heap would engage in this kind of activity, nor that those from a muslim cultural background with very different public mores would be more likely to do so. It takes a determined ideological motivation to insist on ignoring evidence that corroborates such common sense in favour of pretending it's all some kind of propaganda lie (and supposedly perpetrated by racists and nationalists, of all people, by far the most marginalised and excluded political grouping in the countries of western Europe and the US) just because you spot some exaggerations and lies.

    There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents.

    That sums it up. There is a German website, Hoax Map, that debunks wild rumors about Muslim immigrants, but it is true that Muslims are greatly over-represented in German prisons.

    Similarly, in France, Muslims make up less than 10% of the population but over half of its prison inmates.

    In England and Wales, Muslims are 5% of the population but 15% of its prisoners.

    In Spain, Moroccans are 1.5% of the population but 10% of its prisoners. They commit 18% of the murders. [Source.]

    These alarming statistics bring to mind the situation with American blacks, for they are 13.3% of the population yet 37.7% of the prisoners.

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    P.S. As with American blacks, Muslims are tools of the ruling class. Their transgressions, real or hyped, serve this ruling class.
    , @Randal

    That sums it up.
     
    So why is Revusky, totally implausibly, trying to pretend that there were no incidents, when patently there were?

    All he achieves is to set himself against those whose political priority is opposition to immigration (with whom he claims to sympathise) and ensure their hostility to his own causes when he tries to put them forward. Imo any deplorable going out of his way to attack the core issues of other deplorables is pointing his guns the wrong way. Time enough to argue about the details when we are not all facing criminalisation and exclusion from the workplace and from "polite" society.

    P.S. As with American blacks, Muslims are tools of the ruling class. Their transgressions, real or hyped, serve this ruling class.
     
    Immigrants (en masse) in general, and muslims in particular, are a battering ram being used to corrode the societies they are targeted at and make them more vulnerable to exploitation and radicalism.

    But that doesn't make them collectively innocent, any more than exploitation of black criminality by elites makes Black Lives Matter the good guys.
  140. @Anonymous

    lies
     
    This is what bugs me. The author is either clinically, genuinely delusional or he's deliberately lying and insulting our intelligence in the process. Could be both, really.

    And he's still doing it deep in the comment section. Unreal.

    JR seems to be clearly deluded, quite possibly mentally ill…total conspiracy theory nutcase (Holocaust, 9/11, Sandy Hook shooting and now the Cologne assaults as well…all made up according to him). There’s probably no point in having a discussion with such a person. Still, it’s interesting to see something like this on Unz review, just to see how deranged some people can be.

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  141. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Linh Dinh

    There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents.
     
    That sums it up. There is a German website, Hoax Map, that debunks wild rumors about Muslim immigrants, but it is true that Muslims are greatly over-represented in German prisons.

    Similarly, in France, Muslims make up less than 10% of the population but over half of its prison inmates.

    In England and Wales, Muslims are 5% of the population but 15% of its prisoners.

    In Spain, Moroccans are 1.5% of the population but 10% of its prisoners. They commit 18% of the murders. [Source.]

    These alarming statistics bring to mind the situation with American blacks, for they are 13.3% of the population yet 37.7% of the prisoners.

    P.S. As with American blacks, Muslims are tools of the ruling class. Their transgressions, real or hyped, serve this ruling class.

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  142. We have a large percentage of Somali where I live. A car full of young men once followed me, creeping along until I cut into a one-way lane.

    I am neither young nor beautiful, and since I was out grocery-shopping, I was hardly dressed to thrill. These guys will attack ANY female who isn’t Muslim. If you are not Muslim, in their eyes, you are a whore. It is really that simple.

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    A car full of young men once followed me, creeping along until I cut into a one-way lane.
     
    Holy shit! A genuine close encounter with the dreaded Muslim Rape Army!!!!

    From your description, it sounds to me like one of the elite units, made up of young men who are specially selected for a certain... ahem... physical characteristic...

    These guys will attack ANY female
     
    Holy shit! And then what?!

    Oh, nothing happened, eh?

    Well, my take on this is that they were going to grab your pussy but then had second thoughts because they feared that they might end up grabbing onto something else instead...
  143. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Revusky
    It's under my last article. http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/

    Read through it and you'll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened.

    Mr. Revusky, I just spent considerable time doing just that. But despite the length of those exchanges, they shed no light on this portion of Rurik’s comment here:

    “when I first encountered JR on Unz, I was impressed by his intelligence and skeptical bent, and I guess you could say we often agreed. So that when JR was relentless about communicating outside of Unz, I very reluctantly obliged after relentless solicitations to do so.

    But then when I openly disagreed with Jonathan, and used the kind of language he’s so fond of, he threat[en]ed to ‘dox’ me (publish my private info online). ..”

    Nasty, if true. I would like to know whether, in fact, you solicited private correspondence and then indicated to Rurik that you might “dox” him.

    I, too, have valued some of what you have contributed here. But based solely on your articles and how you then engage with commenters (including Mr. Unz in this current thread), you have impressed me as vain and combative. You complain about people not focusing on the articles, yet you foment and prolong vulgar, needlessly personal arguments about who has mischaracterized what, ad nauseum. Does it seem odd that so few who engage substantially can seem to stay on your side for long?

    Please reflect on whether too much of your energy here feeds a need for attention, winning arguments, and creating and hurting enemies. By addressing the “doxing” accusation, you will help me to make up my own mind.

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    It's comment 363 in that thread:

    First of all, if you continue to insult me personally like this from behind the cloak of anonymity, I will probably out your name, since we have had private correspondence.
     
  144. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Che Guava
    The article was so very long, so full of set-up dialogues with an imaginary friend, so full of your 'I am so clever' poor wordplay, a few about the town in the Murmansk Oblast, only that part is any good. and then you set it up to deny the rapefugee attacks, including in Cologne, sorry, your writing is full of shit, personal boasting, I have a good idea why it is, you are utterly smug as a Jewish person.

    Your writing is bad, you tracked one falsehood down through the 'net, then you extrapolate it to say another among many others is untrue.

    Almost 12,000 words. What a waste of space and time to reading it. 'Your' concept of 'synthetic reality' is in no way new.

    so full of set-up dialogues with an imaginary friend

    I’ve noticed that too and my armchair psychologist persona is making faces and fidgeting in his… armchair. Let’s just say I’m not convinced that the author had an opportunity to bounce these ideas with too many flesh and blood people. Half the article (50000 words) reads like someone monologuing in front of his indoor plants and pet iguanas.

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  145. @Wizard of Oz
    I was about to click on "Agree" but witheld it entirely because of your reference to 9/11.

    I came to look at the multitude of different highly assertive truther positions very late, and still without emotion, except rising derision and wry puzzlement. Like nearly all truthers I haven't read much of the official commission report but I have learned the probable truth on key points from the absurdities of the truthers.

    Your post suggests non paranoid realism and rationality so, in the hope of finding just one UR commentator who enjoys changing his mind or at least entertaining possibilities I proffer

    1. Set aside the possibility of Mossad prior information and Saudi money adding to ObL's own to provode the modest fonance needed for 19 volunteer highjackers because that, while maybe true, doesn't matter one way or the other.
    2. Ask "who had far the biggest motive- perhaps the only motive - to get the US involved in a war in Afghanistam?" Clearly ObL, , who remembered what happened to the Soviets there and to Americans in Vietnam: by a margin of 10 to 1. (And the one could be the arms industry that just wants its products to be used up somewhere. Those wanting war in Iraq are hardly on the rationally discerned horizon).
    By the way ObL was the big winner.

    3. Wasn't 9/11 's multiple simultaneous attacks just an upgrade on established Al Qaeda tactica? Wasn't the WTC already in Al Qaeda's sights as a symbolic target (since 1993 or earlier)?

    4. If there was a problem about the weight of floors above a heat weakened set of relatively novel lightweight steel structures being enough to bring down the towers (and WTC7) wouldn't the obvious person to say so be the structuaral engineer Robertson who designed the WTC structures in anticipation of aircraft strike but not for the effects of consequent high temperature fires? He didn't but pointed out the architects were responsible for fire protection.

    5. Why did WTC2 take so much less time to collapse after the impact than WTC1? Obviously (mostly) because the weight of floors 87 to 110 is much greater than floors 100 to 110! Consider the alternative nonsensical beliefs required if demolition by explosives is one's supposition...

    6. The clever plotters are so clever they can, with total confidence, defeat human error and arrange
    (a) for the demolition charges to be concealed in WTCs 1 and 2 (and 7!!! but that is loony toon stuff) at floors 78 to 86 in WTC2 and 95 to 99 in WTC so as to be undetected while being installed and afterwards, and so no compelling evidence of demolition or failed attempt at it is found after the demolition of at least one tower (NB they have of course mastered the technical complexities in demolition fromupper floors rather than the basement ;
    (b) for the highjackings to take place and both flights to reliably continue under whatever kind of control so precisely that both towers would actually be struck and in each case at exactly the right levels;
    (c) find a reason why it was necessary for the towers to have to be destroyed rather than just have a few floors destroyed and a few hundred lives lost if the aim was to start a war centred on ObL (not forgetting all round risk assessment);
    (d) be sure that no Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning or Russian or other hacker isn't going to preserve and make public credible evidence of the plot especially since they have not taken the precaution of crashing into the buildings at weekends or maybe 7.30 am before many people are at work.

    Enough to be going on with.....Remember that the only alternative to the truth that Osama bin Laden scored a huge victory, magnified by the unforseeable monatrous folly and hubris of those who took advantage of one arena for folly to create a greater one in Iraq, is that someone or more plotters picked up on the need, courtesy of PNAC, for "a Pearl Harbor event" to somehow persuade others to produce the wholly incredible scenario I have derided above.

    Alternatively I would like to see more attention to studying individuals and small groups who have got very close to power without being elected president or inheriting a throne. Rumsfeld equals Rasputin? Maybe but Thomas Cromwell is closer (and eventually Henry retired him in the customary contemporary manner). Mrs Woodrow Wilson? Actually she provides the contrast with Rumsfeld as she had not held positions of power and influence from a young age and wouldn't have been brimming with the sense of potency and rightness that Rumsfeld exhibited. Here's a passage from Rumsfeld's dream diary: "Frankly who needs to be elected as the pretty face without an idea in his head that matters , and programmed eliciter of standing ovations? Give me a mate like Dick Cheney, a VP with clout, access on demand, and the Defence Department: look out unfinished business, here I come. Who is going to be rembered from the George the Less' years as the remaker of the ME with all that will have flowed from that?".

    I only brought up 9/11 because it’s in the article. If one believes that the hijackers were patsies and the U.S. government covered for the real culprits (which is what most hard-core truthers believe), then one should also see it as possible that the German government would be able obscure what happened in Koln, which would be a much easier task that the German government would have every reason to perform.

    There is no way that I could know exactly what happened on 9/11, but I suspect that the media/official story is manipulated, at the very least. When I watched the first building fall on television, my immediate thought was that it looked like demolitions that I have seen. I know that doesn’t mean that there was a demolition, but I can see how the claim can be made. The Israeli movers and art students were also very suspicious, and the fact that groups of pilots, architects and structural engineers also question the official story, gives lots of ammo to anyone else who wishes to do so. I get why there is a truther movement, but it would probably make more sense to concentrate on the lies that were told to involve the U.S. in two Iraq wars, which would be an easier case to prove, and the cast of villains would be the same.

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    Good to find someone who is willing to entertain weighty suspicions of wrongdoing by governments and powerful or influential people (which I by no means sneer at) and is still willing to keep an open mind on the big and small things that truthers seem so certain about.

    Your observation about immediately thinking it iooked like a demolition is doubly interesting. It is like prosecutions having the enormous advantage with a jury of fixing one story in their heads to organise their thoughts. First impressions can be so important and many people would be primed by spectacular pictures of building demolitions to see 9/11 as the same. But... ordinary demolitions are not in fact done by explosions on the 90th floor!

    Also it was the immediate first impression of the CEO of Controlled Demolitions Inc as related in a New Yorker story that year, as soon as WTC1 was hit and started to burn inside, that it was going to collapse even though he could see no evidence of demolition.

    It is hard to get at the truth of the Israeli art student story and, admittedly, I have chosen to take a conspiratorial view of it for my draft screenplay but that involves the art students being involved as a complete smokescreen for something (maybe some Israeli involvement relevant to 9/11 in e.g. recommending flying schools or giving advice on visa applications albeit just about untraceably) by being so clearly unconnected with whatever the smokescreen was willing to cover that in the end the FBI can only shrug its connected shoulders. But I suspect the stories are in fact exaggerated.

    It is when you try to piece together what clever careful plotters might have plotted and planned with the major facts that only loons deny that the various extreme truther cases fall apart. That is so even if the Israelis knew a fair bit about what was going to happen and lots of Saudis assisted Al Qaeda, not just ObL

    Indeed, I agree, the plotting to get Ametica to go to war against Iraq is the big subject for continued investigation even if it proves to turn mostly on Rumsfeld's past experience, hubris and ambition, especially with Cheney to back him in madness that now seems equal to that of the German General Staff in 1914.

  146. @Jonathan Revusky

    Who actually claimed that there is a Muslim Rape Army?
     
    Sheesh, only an utterly dishonest or profoundly stupid person would start with this kind of nonsense. OBVIOUSLY, when I refer to the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, I am not suggesting that anybody is saying that there is literally an army with uniforms, ranks, and insignia!


    ... The immigrants are unable and unwilling to assimilate, and there is some real animosity towards the West on the part of many immigrants.
     
    Yeah, I understand that this is one of the talking points you are supposed to insert into any discussion about this, but the thing is that I made absolutely clear in the essay that I am not an advocate of mass immigration at all. So the above is just a straw-man, arguing with me as if I am a mass immigration advocate, when I'm not.

    I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year's eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?

    NONE. I investigated the question and that means that I tried to find some real convincing proof and every path you go down just leads to a dead end, nowhere. It is impossible to convince oneself that this really happened.

    I believe that any intellectually honest person who investigated this alleged incident, as I have, would come to the conclusion that it is a hoax.

    Sheesh, only an utterly dishonest or profoundly stupid person would start with this kind of nonsense. OBVIOUSLY, when I refer to the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, I am not suggesting that anybody is saying that there is literally an army with uniforms, ranks, and insignia!

    I’ve never heard the term Muslim Rape Army before, which is why I stated as much. There obviously isn’t an army, but there is a very large, and very real problem.

    The fact that there are mosques and Muslims all over Europe means that the people coming to Europe are not assimilating, and have no desire to do so. I’m not sure what definition of assimilation you are using but I see lots of people who are not assimilating when I go to Europe. If they were assimilating, they would take on the culture and customs of Europeans, and live indistinguishably among their hosts, which is not happening in many cases. That’s a factual observation, not a talking point.

    I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year’s eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?

    It’s been pointed out quite a few times that there have been convictions, so something obviously happened. My guess is that the case files haven’t been opened for you, so you haven’t really investigated much. Have you been to Cologne to interview witnesses? My guess is that you haven’t.

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  147. Erebus says:

    Having scanned the comments, I’m a little surprised that apparently no-one has suggested that the Murmansk story may have been planted by Russians themselves (not necessarily the Kremlin) to discourage migrants, or by a competing human smuggling mob who didn’t like the competition they were getting from the northern route.
    Those were my first thoughts when the veracity of the story was cast in doubt. It’s rather difficult for me to see any profit in making the distinction between the girlie-men Europeans and the manly Russkies, except to impress the migrants themselves.

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  148. @anonymous
    Mr. Revusky, I just spent considerable time doing just that. But despite the length of those exchanges, they shed no light on this portion of Rurik's comment here:

    "when I first encountered JR on Unz, I was impressed by his intelligence and skeptical bent, and I guess you could say we often agreed. So that when JR was relentless about communicating outside of Unz, I very reluctantly obliged after relentless solicitations to do so.

    But then when I openly disagreed with Jonathan, and used the kind of language he’s so fond of, he threat[en]ed to ‘dox’ me (publish my private info online). .."

    Nasty, if true. I would like to know whether, in fact, you solicited private correspondence and then indicated to Rurik that you might "dox" him.

    I, too, have valued some of what you have contributed here. But based solely on your articles and how you then engage with commenters (including Mr. Unz in this current thread), you have impressed me as vain and combative. You complain about people not focusing on the articles, yet you foment and prolong vulgar, needlessly personal arguments about who has mischaracterized what, ad nauseum. Does it seem odd that so few who engage substantially can seem to stay on your side for long?

    Please reflect on whether too much of your energy here feeds a need for attention, winning arguments, and creating and hurting enemies. By addressing the "doxing" accusation, you will help me to make up my own mind.

    It’s comment 363 in that thread:

    First of all, if you continue to insult me personally like this from behind the cloak of anonymity, I will probably out your name, since we have had private correspondence.

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    Thank you. I quit before that point, thinking that I had reached the end of their exchange. The threat then seems to have ended the coda.

    I still would like to hear from Mr. Revusky, particularly as to whether he repeatedly sought the private correspondence.
  149. Randal says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Very good stuff compellingly presented. Perhaps I allowed myself to give JR too much credit for drawing attention to the relatively new consideration that what one can often expect to support 21st centtury stories is the product of the ubiquitous smartphone. Odd that he missed some older presumptions that should apply in assessing events such as those in Murmansk Oblast. For example the motives of nightclub owner, local authorities and army to deny the truth if there was some sort of altercation involving young soldiers that got a bit out of hand. Plus "no smoke without fire" which applies for two reasons. First it is a reasonably accurate generalisation about observed reality. Second, fabulists know it is better not to rely on creating stories out of whole cloth when some existing truth can be pointed to or relied on as having laid down some preconception in readers' minds.

    I think he makes some good observations about the impact of the modern ubiquity of cameras and video recording equipment and how this should affect our analysis of reported events, and also about the resources the internet provides for investigation of news stories, although he overstates his case. And of course he is right about bullshit, but misses the point that one man’s bullshit is often another’s clever and important analysis.

    And then he dives right in to provide his own portion of bullshit by insisting that “nothing happened in Cologne” when, evidently, something did.

    From my pov, he touches on the interesting issues when he asserts that the exaggerations to which he draws attention (and himself exaggerates) discredit the cause they purport to serve, and presumably therefore this effect outweighs any motivational effects the propaganda itself might generate for the cause it is intended to serve. He does not explore the issue, however, and I’m not convinced this is the case – as I observed above, as far as I can see the liars have been winning for decades at least (particularly ironic that a Holocaust/9/11 dissenter should fail to see this), and maybe the Straussians are right as to the means, and as to the end justifying the means.

    Odd that he missed some older presumptions that should apply in assessing events such as those in Murmansk Oblast. For example the motives of nightclub owner, local authorities and army to deny the truth if there was some sort of altercation involving young soldiers that got a bit out of hand. Plus “no smoke without fire” which applies for two reasons. First it is a reasonably accurate generalisation about observed reality. Second, fabulists know it is better not to rely on creating stories out of whole cloth when some existing truth can be pointed to or relied on as having laid down some preconception in readers’ minds.

    Yes, it’s certainly still possible that there was some minor incident that was exaggerated beyond credibility.

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    Yes, it’s certainly still possible that there was some minor incident that was exaggerated beyond credibility.
     
    Uhh, actually it is NOT possible. There was no major OR minor incident. It is completely clear that absolutely nothing happened.

    Given the information that I have outlined in the above article, the only reason to believe that anything happened up there in Polyarnye Zori on the night in question is because one wants to believe it.
  150. Randal says:
    @Anonymous

    lies
     
    This is what bugs me. The author is either clinically, genuinely delusional or he's deliberately lying and insulting our intelligence in the process. Could be both, really.

    And he's still doing it deep in the comment section. Unreal.

    In his determination to insist that there is “nothing” at the root of the warnings about muslim immigrant behaviour and his use of the term “racist” as a insult, his writings reek of antiracist ideology being the motivating factor, though he is careful to explicitly deny this. I don’t know – the impression is that perhaps he doth protest too much, on that score.

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    Yes, exactly. Even more telling is his use of the term "Islamophobia". Now there certainly is a lot of dumb criticism of Muslims (e.g. the whole "taqqiya" accusation which seems to be nonsense) and that can legitimately be criticized...but still, how could anybody who is supposedly opposed to mass immigration deny that there are very real and very serious problems with Muslim immigrant communities in Europe?
    So yes, just more of the usual "antiracist" idiocy (as if there wasn't enough of that around already).
  151. Randal says:
    @Linh Dinh

    There were incidents and there has also been exaggeration of those incidents.
     
    That sums it up. There is a German website, Hoax Map, that debunks wild rumors about Muslim immigrants, but it is true that Muslims are greatly over-represented in German prisons.

    Similarly, in France, Muslims make up less than 10% of the population but over half of its prison inmates.

    In England and Wales, Muslims are 5% of the population but 15% of its prisoners.

    In Spain, Moroccans are 1.5% of the population but 10% of its prisoners. They commit 18% of the murders. [Source.]

    These alarming statistics bring to mind the situation with American blacks, for they are 13.3% of the population yet 37.7% of the prisoners.

    That sums it up.

    So why is Revusky, totally implausibly, trying to pretend that there were no incidents, when patently there were?

    All he achieves is to set himself against those whose political priority is opposition to immigration (with whom he claims to sympathise) and ensure their hostility to his own causes when he tries to put them forward. Imo any deplorable going out of his way to attack the core issues of other deplorables is pointing his guns the wrong way. Time enough to argue about the details when we are not all facing criminalisation and exclusion from the workplace and from “polite” society.

    P.S. As with American blacks, Muslims are tools of the ruling class. Their transgressions, real or hyped, serve this ruling class.

    Immigrants (en masse) in general, and muslims in particular, are a battering ram being used to corrode the societies they are targeted at and make them more vulnerable to exploitation and radicalism.

    But that doesn’t make them collectively innocent, any more than exploitation of black criminality by elites makes Black Lives Matter the good guys.

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    Hi Randal,

    I don't think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year's Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.


    Linh

  152. @Alden
    IN his foreword LeCarre wrote he spent months working with Israelis, Palestinians and German police for authenticity. The movie had the Israelis luring the girl to Greece supposedly for a well paid job in a commercial. That sounded exactly what the Israelis would do.

    Alden

    Thanks for paying attention tm my comment on Le Carre” book, “The Little Drummer Girl.” To reiterate an important point, Christopher Bollyn discussed this book in his work, “Solving 9/11.”

    Author Le Carre frequently mentioned the Zionist intelligence operative code used against top level Palestnian resistance leaders. It is, “To catch the Lion, we first must tether the goat.”

    At present, the mighty U.S. Empire’s military is the planet’s primary predator. Such happened because Zionists “tethered” the American mind to THEATRICAL lies.

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  153. @Randal
    In his determination to insist that there is "nothing" at the root of the warnings about muslim immigrant behaviour and his use of the term "racist" as a insult, his writings reek of antiracist ideology being the motivating factor, though he is careful to explicitly deny this. I don't know - the impression is that perhaps he doth protest too much, on that score.

    Yes, exactly. Even more telling is his use of the term “Islamophobia”. Now there certainly is a lot of dumb criticism of Muslims (e.g. the whole “taqqiya” accusation which seems to be nonsense) and that can legitimately be criticized…but still, how could anybody who is supposedly opposed to mass immigration deny that there are very real and very serious problems with Muslim immigrant communities in Europe?
    So yes, just more of the usual “antiracist” idiocy (as if there wasn’t enough of that around already).

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    Now there certainly is a lot of dumb criticism of Muslims (e.g. the whole “taqqiya” accusation which seems to be nonsense) and that can legitimately be criticized
     
    Indeed, and most of the worst stuff seems to come from the US neocon groups and individuals, which clearly have a pro-Israeli and militarist agenda of their own.

    But even with their stuff, imo it's not usually worth challenging these days, unless it's too obviously serving the warmongering interests of the militarists and Israeli-loyalists.

    Wherever possible nowadays I prefer to let the pc fanatics and the neocon liars exhaust themselves fighting each other's lies.

    So yes, just more of the usual “antiracist” idiocy (as if there wasn’t enough of that around already).
     
    Exactly. Revusky has chosen here to make himself part of the problem instead of being part of any solution.
  154. @OilcanFloyd
    I only brought up 9/11 because it's in the article. If one believes that the hijackers were patsies and the U.S. government covered for the real culprits (which is what most hard-core truthers believe), then one should also see it as possible that the German government would be able obscure what happened in Koln, which would be a much easier task that the German government would have every reason to perform.

    There is no way that I could know exactly what happened on 9/11, but I suspect that the media/official story is manipulated, at the very least. When I watched the first building fall on television, my immediate thought was that it looked like demolitions that I have seen. I know that doesn't mean that there was a demolition, but I can see how the claim can be made. The Israeli movers and art students were also very suspicious, and the fact that groups of pilots, architects and structural engineers also question the official story, gives lots of ammo to anyone else who wishes to do so. I get why there is a truther movement, but it would probably make more sense to concentrate on the lies that were told to involve the U.S. in two Iraq wars, which would be an easier case to prove, and the cast of villains would be the same.

    Good to find someone who is willing to entertain weighty suspicions of wrongdoing by governments and powerful or influential people (which I by no means sneer at) and is still willing to keep an open mind on the big and small things that truthers seem so certain about.

    Your observation about immediately thinking it iooked like a demolition is doubly interesting. It is like prosecutions having the enormous advantage with a jury of fixing one story in their heads to organise their thoughts. First impressions can be so important and many people would be primed by spectacular pictures of building demolitions to see 9/11 as the same. But… ordinary demolitions are not in fact done by explosions on the 90th floor!

    Also it was the immediate first impression of the CEO of Controlled Demolitions Inc as related in a New Yorker story that year, as soon as WTC1 was hit and started to burn inside, that it was going to collapse even though he could see no evidence of demolition.

    It is hard to get at the truth of the Israeli art student story and, admittedly, I have chosen to take a conspiratorial view of it for my draft screenplay but that involves the art students being involved as a complete smokescreen for something (maybe some Israeli involvement relevant to 9/11 in e.g. recommending flying schools or giving advice on visa applications albeit just about untraceably) by being so clearly unconnected with whatever the smokescreen was willing to cover that in the end the FBI can only shrug its connected shoulders. But I suspect the stories are in fact exaggerated.

    It is when you try to piece together what clever careful plotters might have plotted and planned with the major facts that only loons deny that the various extreme truther cases fall apart. That is so even if the Israelis knew a fair bit about what was going to happen and lots of Saudis assisted Al Qaeda, not just ObL

    Indeed, I agree, the plotting to get Ametica to go to war against Iraq is the big subject for continued investigation even if it proves to turn mostly on Rumsfeld’s past experience, hubris and ambition, especially with Cheney to back him in madness that now seems equal to that of the German General Staff in 1914.

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  155. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @German_reader
    It's comment 363 in that thread:

    First of all, if you continue to insult me personally like this from behind the cloak of anonymity, I will probably out your name, since we have had private correspondence.
     

    Thank you. I quit before that point, thinking that I had reached the end of their exchange. The threat then seems to have ended the coda.

    I still would like to hear from Mr. Revusky, particularly as to whether he repeatedly sought the private correspondence.

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    I still would like to hear from Mr. Revusky, particularly as to whether he repeatedly sought the private correspondence.
     
    I'll answer your question, but first of all, I am curious as to why you think this is any of your damned business. Who cares?

    Do you think that Rurik or any other anonymous dipshit really has some sort of god-given right to be here under my article insulting me, calling me "idiotic cunt" and stuff like that?

    It's a lot of work to write an article. Anybody can see that there is a lot of work in this one and the ones before it. Do you have any idea how tiresome it is to deal with cowardly little dipshits who show up and insult you like that from behind a veil of anonymity?

    Is that manly behavior? Does a man behave like that?

    You can note that I did not even complain particularly that he was insulting me, calling me things like "idiotic cunt", but that he was such a little sniveling coward as to do it anonymously. So I said that, since I knew who he was, I would out him if he continued.

    Because that's a big threat to a guy like that. He writes his passionate rants about whatever, but is terrified of having his actual name attached to anything controversial so he has to maintain his anonymity. Little sniveling coward. So it's a big threat to him. He's a total nobody, of course, so it doesn't matter anyway, but he's said some things about 9/11 and the Fed and stuff and is terrified of having his name associated with his own words, right?

    So the little coward ran away. Now he's back telling bullshit about what happened.

    Now, to answer your question, the private correspondence with the guy dated back nearly a year earlier to just after my first article. I encouraged him to write me because I thought (mistakenly) he was a good guy. (In general, I encourage people to write me, if they seem interesting to talk to.) But none of that occurred with any idea that I would get the ability to threaten to doxx him. It didn't occur to me that later the little bastard would be insulting me from his anonymous handle right under my article.

    I completely misjudged that person, thought he was a good guy. But then, you know, in private correspondence, I started realizing how limited his intelligence was. No understanding of the most basic things and seemingly no capacity to learn either. There are just a couple of things he understands, like 9/11, but he somehow doesn't understand that if 9/11 was perpetrated to demonize Muslims, then there are a lot of other things perpetrated to demonize Muslims, so he believes all that shit. I had a moment of shock a few months after my correspondence with him began because I realized that he believed the whole Muslim Rape Army narrative. I previously thought that anybody who saw through 9/11 would see throught that.

    But then, you know, you see him linking Breitbart and all these other Zionist-controlled fake news entities that disseminate all this garbage. But then he is really against the Zionists supposedly...

    The guy is a complete brainfucked idiot. But anyway, since I answered your question, please answer mine above. It doesn't matter and it's all off-topic, but I just want to know what kind of assholes I'm dealing with here. Do you really believe that some little shit like that and the other little shits here have some sort of "right" to show up here and just insult me, an identifiable person, while maintaining their anonymity? Like that's some kind of basic right on the internet?

    I don't think so. Actually, Ron Unz seems to think so, but Ron, for all his intelligence, believes a lot of weird things, it turns out...
  156. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @Randal

    That sums it up.
     
    So why is Revusky, totally implausibly, trying to pretend that there were no incidents, when patently there were?

    All he achieves is to set himself against those whose political priority is opposition to immigration (with whom he claims to sympathise) and ensure their hostility to his own causes when he tries to put them forward. Imo any deplorable going out of his way to attack the core issues of other deplorables is pointing his guns the wrong way. Time enough to argue about the details when we are not all facing criminalisation and exclusion from the workplace and from "polite" society.

    P.S. As with American blacks, Muslims are tools of the ruling class. Their transgressions, real or hyped, serve this ruling class.
     
    Immigrants (en masse) in general, and muslims in particular, are a battering ram being used to corrode the societies they are targeted at and make them more vulnerable to exploitation and radicalism.

    But that doesn't make them collectively innocent, any more than exploitation of black criminality by elites makes Black Lives Matter the good guys.

    Hi Randal,

    I don’t think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.

    Linh

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    I think his point is that nothing happened. Isn't he saying that it was all a hoax?

    "I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year’s eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?

    NONE. I investigated the question and that means that I tried to find some real convincing proof and every path you go down just leads to a dead end, nowhere. It is impossible to convince oneself that this really happened.

    I believe that any intellectually honest person who investigated this alleged incident, as I have, would come to the conclusion that it is a hoax."
    , @Randal

    I don’t think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.

     

    Like all the best straw men, his target is nicely flexible so that however many examples are found of actual assaults by muslims at the time, he can always say "ah but that isn't as many as the examples I'm criticising were claiming".

    See the numbers I quoted previously from the prosecutor's office: 513 specific allegations of sexual assaults. Undoubtedly some number of those will have been made up in the subsequent publicity, but neither you nor I nor Revusky has any plausible justification for estimating how many. His argument that "it can't be that many or there'd be pictures" was weak from the start for the reasons pointed out, and has been effectively refuted by several posts on the thread. This was a huge outdoor event, with crowds milling everywhere, all sorts of things going on , and all the usual disorder created by mobs of youths in cities, especially immigrant and minority youths. According to the police chief quoted in my earlier post, there is video evidence, but it's not clear enough to support convictions for sexual assaults. As has been pointed out, pointing your mobile phone at a crowd of rowdy youths in any situation is a good way to get beaten up and your phone stolen, and indeed thefts of mobiles seem to have been a large part of the general mob criminality in Cologne that New Year's Eve.

    The fact is that there was clearly an incident in Cologne at that time that involved large numbers of criminal assaults, including sexual assaults, by, in particular, muslim immigrants. And it's further clear that this is merely part of a wider problem throughout Europe where there is substantial mass immigration of, especially, muslims. Revusky's assertions are (with emphasis added):

    Let us call this the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, or MRA for short. It really got going some weeks before, on New Year’s Eve, in Cologne, Germany. There, the Muslim Rape Army had gone unopposed because of the testicular deficiency of the German metrosexual girlie-men, who stood by while the MRA had their way with the local German girls, hundreds of them apparently. Somehow hundreds of young women were sexually assaulted in a wide open public space without anybody getting any clear video or photos of it.
    ....
    In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t.
    ....
    It is simply too self-evident that the MRA is a deranged racist fantasy. I am quite certain that nothing happened in Cologne and there is no Muslim Rape Army. Again, if something had happened, we would have the visuals. And we don’t. It’s that simple.
    ....
    And the people who fell for the Cologne hoax (and then wrote higher-order bullshit on the subject) constitute a veritable Who’s Who of the alt-right ethno-nationalist commentariat.
     
    He's not remotely accepting that this was an exaggeration of underlying truth. He's smearing the whole thing as a malicious "racist" fantasy.

    It's hardly surprising he's going to seriously piss off a lot of people who've seen that kind of lying smear regularly put about by the mainstream media in the service of the elites who want to promote mass immigration and cover up the costs it imposes on society (as he even comes close to admitting to being aware of in the piece, when he mentions "PC shibboleths", presumably in an attempt to distance himself from said elite manipulation).

    Perhaps he thinks if he ingratiates himself enough with the goodthinkers by demonstrating his antiracist credentials he will be allowed to write in respectable publications. If so then he's delusional. The elites despise "Holocaust deniers" and 9/11 dissenters like him even more than they despise the "racists" and nationalists he's pointed his guns at with this piece.
    , @L.K
    Hey Linh,


    I don’t think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.
     
    That's my take as well. I believe someone like the journalist Marcia Adair, who was there, could certainly miss some relatively small scale groping, muggings, etc, but not anything on the huge scale that has been reported. Same with the lack of visual evidence.
  157. @Linh Dinh
    Hi Randal,

    I don't think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year's Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.


    Linh

    I think his point is that nothing happened. Isn’t he saying that it was all a hoax?

    “I am just an opponent of bullshit, okay? We have here a purely factual question about whether anybody was really raped in Cologne rail station on New Year’s eve. That is a purely factual question. What real evidence exists for this?

    NONE. I investigated the question and that means that I tried to find some real convincing proof and every path you go down just leads to a dead end, nowhere. It is impossible to convince oneself that this really happened.

    I believe that any intellectually honest person who investigated this alleged incident, as I have, would come to the conclusion that it is a hoax.”

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  158. Linh Dinh says: • Website

    Hi OilcanFloyd,

    Jon is saying there is no evidence of rape.

    In July of 2017, Reuter reported that an “Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.” That is repulsive and certainly a crime, but it is not rape.

    If there has been a conviction for rape from New Year’s Eve in Cologne, please let us all know.

    Linh

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    Jon is saying there is no evidence of rape.
     
    He quietly slips back and forth between referring to "rape" and to "sexual assaults" (see for instance the extracts quoted in my previous reply to you).

    Another example of the convenient flexibility of his straw man.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    In July of 2017, Reuter reported that an “Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.” That is repulsive and certainly a crime, but it is not rape.
     
    The thing is that drunken Germans do shit like that on NYE. But it's not a rape. But looking for visuals leads to some really funny things because they put up this chickenshit stuff and then label it as if some serious shit happened, like look at this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FlF4YBDvE

    "TV reporter is sexually assaulted live on air". You look for visuals and get all these hits and you look at what comes up and it's stuff like the thing above! Or it's just this stuff of a crowd there and some people shouting but especially if you watch with the sound off, you see that the video just shows nothing of what it purports to show.

    Anyway, my view on Cologne NYE 2015/2016 is just that it probably wasn't very different from the previous New Year's or the ones before that. I mean some stuff happened but the whole notion that something extraordinary happened that was very different from any other NYE celebration in Cologne -- I think that's just a synthetic hoax really. In the discussion under my last article, half a year ago, I wrote the following:


    What I think happened via the New Years Eve allegations is that this is a very rowdy time in Cologne and other cities in Germany. There are drunken crowds out and there may well be some professional thieves working the crowds and a lot of various shit typically happens. Okay, probably some drunks do get obnoxious with the women and shit like this, but it’s all just various chickenshit stuff and probably no more or less of it happened last New Years than any previous New Years. So what they did is they took a set of basically organic events of the sort that always happen on New Years Eve and they wove a synthetic narrative about Muslim refugees going on a raping spree. They also sprinkled it with some actual synthetic events, like girls being encouraged to make fake rape accusations. Only one girl got busted for specifically saying she was raped in Cologne (when she wasn’t even in Cologne) but surely there are more. I strongly suspect that nobody really got raped — at least by any sane definition of the term “rape”. And if they did, it wasn’t right there in a wide open space like the main train station!
     
    That was my view half a year ago, and my view has not changed significantly. The above is part of a comment I wrote here: http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/#comment-1729338

    A few things happened organically because the NYE celebrations are raucous and there are drunk crowds. For whatever political reasons, the authorities had to pretend that some extraordinary thing had happened and they did a "Casablanca" type "Round up the usual suspects" and convicted some people of something or other and said that they had convicted people for this extraordinary thing that happened on NYE at Cologne.

    My guess, if you looked at it, is that most of the people convicted, where they say it was related to this Cologne New Year's Eve synthetic narrative, it was criminal elements known to the police that were already in Germany. Principally North Africans. Just about none of them were Middle Eastern Arab refugees. You know the line from the Bogart film "Casablanca" where Inspector Reynaud says: 'A crime has been committed. Round up the usual suspects.' That's one of the greatest lines in film history and probably says a lot about how police work really happens.

    And another thing that came out in the later months is that the authorities in Frankfurt stymied some similar hoax that they had mounted for the following NYE in Frankfurt:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    So if you read that article and you're capable of connecting the dots minimally...

    , @RobinG
    "......licking her on her face against her will.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-hEKgyeSAg
    Dankheart: Trump vs CNN Braveheart Meme

    , @OilcanFloyd
    Linh,

    From my understanding, there have been several convictions for sexual assault, and the Germans did change their rape laws after Cologne. From what I have read, some women claimed to have been raped, but there were no convictions for rape. Obviously there could have been rapes without convictions, especially if the rapist wasn't found. In a crowd the size of the one in Cologne, with the chaos present, I can believe that many women were fondled and assaulted. That's believable, especially in the climate of culture clash and hostility that exists in Europe. The mayor of Cologne was obviously trying to play down what happened, and there is a reason that the police chief of Cologne resigned and the rape laws were changed. All of that happened for a reason, and the crime stats all over Europe show that there is a problem with immigrants and rape, which the elites and media want to keep a lid on. The links from my first post in the thread show as much.

    There is a very real problem, and it doesn't matter if there wasn't an orgy of rape outside the Cologne railway station, or if the Murmansk story were a hoax. There are plenty of real stories to report. What happened, and what is happening all over Europe, is bad enough by itself. It's kind of like black on white rape and violence in the U.S. The media and elites don't want to touch it because they don't care, and they are largely responsible for the situation.

    FWIW, when I was in college, a girl was dragged into a dark area after classes one night, physically assaulted and raped. According to the media reports and flyers on campus, it happened near an area, at a time, where many students (me included) would have walked right by the scene, but nobody heard or saw a thing. The police and school treated the incident like a rape, but nobody was ever caught. In an area the size of a major European rail station, with the type of crowd and chaos going on, I can see rapes happening without witnesses. Add the old German laws and official attitude, and nothing happened officially. Either way, the problem of rape among immigrants and culture clash still exists.
  159. @anonymous
    Thank you. I quit before that point, thinking that I had reached the end of their exchange. The threat then seems to have ended the coda.

    I still would like to hear from Mr. Revusky, particularly as to whether he repeatedly sought the private correspondence.

    I still would like to hear from Mr. Revusky, particularly as to whether he repeatedly sought the private correspondence.

    I’ll answer your question, but first of all, I am curious as to why you think this is any of your damned business. Who cares?

    Do you think that Rurik or any other anonymous dipshit really has some sort of god-given right to be here under my article insulting me, calling me “idiotic cunt” and stuff like that?

    It’s a lot of work to write an article. Anybody can see that there is a lot of work in this one and the ones before it. Do you have any idea how tiresome it is to deal with cowardly little dipshits who show up and insult you like that from behind a veil of anonymity?

    Is that manly behavior? Does a man behave like that?

    You can note that I did not even complain particularly that he was insulting me, calling me things like “idiotic cunt”, but that he was such a little sniveling coward as to do it anonymously. So I said that, since I knew who he was, I would out him if he continued.

    Because that’s a big threat to a guy like that. He writes his passionate rants about whatever, but is terrified of having his actual name attached to anything controversial so he has to maintain his anonymity. Little sniveling coward. So it’s a big threat to him. He’s a total nobody, of course, so it doesn’t matter anyway, but he’s said some things about 9/11 and the Fed and stuff and is terrified of having his name associated with his own words, right?

    So the little coward ran away. Now he’s back telling bullshit about what happened.

    Now, to answer your question, the private correspondence with the guy dated back nearly a year earlier to just after my first article. I encouraged him to write me because I thought (mistakenly) he was a good guy. (In general, I encourage people to write me, if they seem interesting to talk to.) But none of that occurred with any idea that I would get the ability to threaten to doxx him. It didn’t occur to me that later the little bastard would be insulting me from his anonymous handle right under my article.

    I completely misjudged that person, thought he was a good guy. But then, you know, in private correspondence, I started realizing how limited his intelligence was. No understanding of the most basic things and seemingly no capacity to learn either. There are just a couple of things he understands, like 9/11, but he somehow doesn’t understand that if 9/11 was perpetrated to demonize Muslims, then there are a lot of other things perpetrated to demonize Muslims, so he believes all that shit. I had a moment of shock a few months after my correspondence with him began because I realized that he believed the whole Muslim Rape Army narrative. I previously thought that anybody who saw through 9/11 would see throught that.

    But then, you know, you see him linking Breitbart and all these other Zionist-controlled fake news entities that disseminate all this garbage. But then he is really against the Zionists supposedly…

    The guy is a complete brainfucked idiot. But anyway, since I answered your question, please answer mine above. It doesn’t matter and it’s all off-topic, but I just want to know what kind of assholes I’m dealing with here. Do you really believe that some little shit like that and the other little shits here have some sort of “right” to show up here and just insult me, an identifiable person, while maintaining their anonymity? Like that’s some kind of basic right on the internet?

    I don’t think so. Actually, Ron Unz seems to think so, but Ron, for all his intelligence, believes a lot of weird things, it turns out…

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    J.R:

    "There are just a couple of things he understands, like 9/11, but he somehow doesn’t understand that if 9/11 was perpetrated to demonize Muslims, then there are a lot of other things perpetrated to demonize Muslims, so he believes all that shit. I had a moment of shock a few months after my correspondence with him began because I realized that he believed the whole Muslim Rape Army narrative. I previously thought that anybody who saw through 9/11 would see throught that."
     
    That is all part of the bounded reality thing we once talked about.
    So, truth is, one cannot assume anything... like, I have this friend, who has a good eye for technical stuff & all, and re the holohoax, he figured it out it was largely a fraudulent story long b4 me, because, to a large extent, the technical issues pertaining to the gas chamber hoax just don't make any sense from the official BS narrative perspective. So far, so good. Last time I talked to him about 9-11 though, he still believed the official story. Re 9-11, it is not only technical issues of course, there are many other angles that prove the story is false, but given my friend's inclination towards tech issues, I thought he would see through the BS. He refused to even look into it! He is an American I have to add. It's not even that he buys into the war on terror, he sees right through that as the fraud it is... but he seems to go along with the notion of blowback re 9-11, I think.

    Anyway, there are 2 basic strands of Muslim demonization going on;
    1. Muslim terrorism
    2. Muslim are rapists, aka, M.R.A

    Now, obviously there are Muslims who are terrorists and Muslims who are rapists but the way the whole thing is sold is complete BS, and there is a clear agenda behind that.

    In regards to the alt right, you are totally correct. They accuse the left/ liberals of dishonesty, many times correctly, but engage in the same practices themselves.

    For them, and i ain't even talkin' about the foot soldiers, but about those who are supposedly scholars, the "Muslims are an army of rapists meme" is just too good a story to be bothered by facts.
    , @Anonymous

    any of your damned business
    anonymous dipshit
    cowardly little dipshits
    Is that manly behavior
    Does a man behave like that
    little sniveling coward
    I would out him if he continued.
    Little sniveling coward
    He’s a total nobody
    little coward
    little bastard
    how limited his intelligence was
    no capacity to learn
    a complete brainfucked idiot
    I just want to know what kind of assholes I’m dealing with here
    little shit
    little shits
     
    Is this a meltdown? I think it's a meltdown.
    , @anonymous
    "I am curious as to why you think this is any of your damned business. Who cares?"

    Don't you remember? Back upthread (#93), you invited the readership to review a previous volume of your interactions with Rurik: "Read through it and you’ll see that Rurik is completely misrepresenting what happened." Having (eventually, with another reader's assistance) done so, it is my interpretation of that record that he did no such thing.

    Please do consider my other points about your behavior and motives here.
    , @The Scalpel
    Jonathan, I am a somewhat infrequent commentor here, but I am familiar with both your and Rurik's comments. I think you are both intelligent men. I think you are a good writer. Nonetheless, you lost a lot of people with this last reply of yours. There are many good reasons to have an anonymous message board. I am sure you can think of many. Anonymity has its downsides, but it allows people to freely post their thoughts without fear for their personal safety, job security, etc.

    On this message board, nobody knows much about you personally or Rurik personally. For all I know, and I tend to believe this until proven otherwise, Rurik is a fine upstanding man. He could be someone I highly respect. I know that he's very intelligent. You have just repeatedly insulted him in a very harsh manner.

    This is your article, and by social convention, you are something like the "President" of this thread. You are not acting presidential it all. There is no law about this, it is just good manners. But when you violate social convention you will lose a lot of people. There is no need for this. You can make your case just as well without ranting or insults.

    Another social convention is the sanctity of anonymity on anonymous message boards. Sure, there is no law against that. But if you violate that social custom, again there is no need for this to make your argument, you will lose almost everyone. That is just a fact

    Again, you are very intelligent, so I am surprised, very surprised, to see your reaction here. Either you do not understand social convention, or you do not care. Maybe you are just socially awkward like a character on the Big Bang Theory. But if you don't care, you really should. You can treat people with respect and still make the argument you are trying to make. Acting like you are acting only hurts your cause, and is not necessary.

    Honestly, from a professional point of view, this last reply of yours sounds a little bit paranoid, and makes me a little bit worried about you.
  160. L.K says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Well, I’m skeptical and explained why when he submitted his long article, which I found quite unpersuasive.
     
    Unpersuasive regarding what point? I assume that you mean the alleged events in Cologne of the New Years before last. I will compose the rest of my response based on the assumption that this is what you mean.


    Consider that there are something like 15,000 annual murders in the U.S., and I’d guess that a reasonable fraction of them are out occur in public.
     
    Ron, from the article:

    Revusky’s Razor: If an event of sufficiently large scale is alleged to have taken place in a wide open public space full of people, yet there is no corresponding video or photographic evidence, then it must be fake news.

    I worded this quite carefully. I said specifically "in a wide open space full of people". I have no idea how many of the 15,000 annual homicides in the USA meet those conditions. So you are pretty clearly engaging in spurious reasoning.

    But also, the question of having visuals consistent with the event does not relate solely to capturing the murder itself on film. If somebody walked into Grand Central Station and shot some people, I can conceive of the possibility that this is not caught on camera. However, the event does not end there. The police come. It is not certain they are all dead so the ambulances arrive with paramedics. There is some widow wailing... the whole scene....

    So the real proposition is that, also, none of that ancillary activity is caught on camera either. Nothing. It is not solely that no actual raping is caught on the camera in the Cologne event, but there is no visual of any distraught women going about with their clothes torn off, anybody showing up and trying to comfort them...

    Even just looking at the overall set of spaces where this could have happened causes very great doubts:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6ln+hauptbahnhof&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHv-ep8J3VAhWUF8AKHS12CZ4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1280&bih=629

    Where specifically did all the raping happen? Do you think any of these people insisting that this happened can even tell you where?

    A previous commenter, one "German Reader" claims that various women were "digitally raped". I guess that means somebody put a finger in the vagina. I read that somewhere too. I was thinking about it. This allegedly happened on NYE in Germany, at night. What is the average temperature at midnight, say, on New Year's in Cologne? So what is the typical attire of a German girl in the middle of the winter? How many layers of clothes is she wearing?

    I mean, just try to visualize this.... I cannot visualize the crime. It's a summer crime, Ron. The girls now where I am are all wearing very skimpy clothing. If one were that way inclined, one could get close and do a "digital rape". Almost all the girls in Cologne on a New Year's eve are wearing blue jeans, I think, jeans of some sort... And they've got layers on top, like an overcoat and so on. It's very hard to get your finger in... you-know-where.. I mean, seriously, it's a real production!

    Look, maybe you've been busy and not paying attention, but I don't think you have a grasp of the level of Islamophobic hoaxes going on. There are a couple of friends, two women in Germany, who have a hobby documenting them all. It's called hoaxmap.org. The site is in German, but just look at the main page of the site with the map. It's really very illuminating. Here are a couple of articles about it in English:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hoax-map-germany-refugees-1.3444503
    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35542304

    Some of these false stories are absolutely extraordinary. One of them is that some migrant threw a toilet out the window because a "nonbeliever" sat on it. Just think about that...

    I mean, they are testing the limits of what people will believe. Just think about what a typical toilet weighs, even leaving aside what it is connected to! Think about how strong you would have to be to pick up a toilet and throw it out the window! And then where are you going to take a dump after that!!?? LOL!!!!

    I am wondering how much of your readership would believe a story of that nature? I dunno... a significant percentage. Needless to say, it is a hoax! :-)


    So perhaps 99% of those murders never actually took place and the police are just hoaxing us to boost their budgets. Probably a similar ratio applies to most other violent crimes.
     
    Well, c'mon, Ron. You know, sometimes you talk down to people in an absolutely extraordinary way. You're a smart guy, I know, but you aren't the only person with a brain in his head. I know perfectly well that, of all crime statistics, homicide totals are likely to be pretty accurate, because you need a body and the body is unambiguously alive or dead and that's that. Well, unless the victim's name is Osama bin Laden, or a case like that, then I guess you don't need a body! LOL.

    So, okay, exactly how many people were murdered is not very much in dispute, give or take a handful. I understand that, of course, so, for you to represent that you think I don't understand that, is a bit silly, I find. It's very intellectually arrogant on your part. Yes, you're smarter than most people, okay, but the gap is probably not quite as big as you think it is.

    Anyway, the total number of rapes is another kettle of fish because there are enough dubious cases. Also, you can falsely claim somebody was raped but you can't really falsely claim they were murdered. And many rapes can go unreported, so it's very problematic. So you might find me arguing that the true numbers on rapes are different from the official numbers. But not homicides.

    And, then you have things like so-called "hate crimes", which is a very nebulous concept from the get-go...


    Here’s a challenge to Revusky. Can he locate 5 public videos among the 150,000 murders committed in America during the last 10 years?…
     
    Ron, the question is a complete non-sequitir and merely shows that you have not given the matter enough thought. You would first have to say how many murders took place in a setting equivalent to Cologne's main railway station on a New Year's Eve. That is obviously a much, much lower number.

    Also, as I pointed out earlier, the question is not solely catching the crime on film, but the aftermath as well. We should have at least have visuals of police showing up, paramedics.... If there was a mass shooting event in Grand Central Station, but zero film of police and paramedics showing up afterwards, then what? Would you think that was strange?

    With Cologne, not only is no raping caught on camera, but there is no video consistent with the immediate aftermath, some hysterical female being comforted or something like that. There is absolutely nothing.

    ANd there's other stuff that makes one tend to think it's a hoax.

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/i-was-in-cologne-on-new-years-theres-a-reason-to-be-afraid-and-its-because-of-other-peoples-fear/wcm/38a55b60-7bd1-4385-8a35-8c58278c0235

    One of the most egregious cases in Cologne turned out to be a false accusation:

    https://www.rt.com/news/353911-cologne-woman-rape-allegations/

    This was echoed all over the place. I had reports of this woman's rape in my facebook feed. I noticed some months afterwards that it had come out that it was a total hoax. The woman was not even in Cologne.

    Also, it appears that some elements were trying to perpetrate a similar hoax the following New Year's in Frankfurt but the authorities there squashed that:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    Now, finally, for a meta point, Ron. I have provided various different links above that anybody can look at and draw whatever conclusions. Has anybody debating with me here ever provided any evidence at all? Any link? One guy screams hysterically that I am "scum" because I am skeptical of this. Scum? At worst, I'm just wrong, that's all. But what does all this suggest to a third party observer about what is going on in this debate?

    J.R:

    Ron, the question is a complete non-sequitir and merely shows that you have not given the matter enough thought. You would first have to say how many murders took place in a setting equivalent to Cologne’s main railway station on a New Year’s Eve. That is obviously a much, much lower number.

    Also, as I pointed out earlier, the question is not solely catching the crime on film, but the aftermath as well.

    This is just part of the problem with Unz’s straw man challenge;
    The alleged mass sexual assaults taking place in Cologne’s main railway station on New Year’s Eve, in terms of the chances of it being captured on cell phones cameras, is a lot more similar with large scale street brawls or looting, than shootings.

    I mean, if you are nearby with your cell and bullets start flying, one is indeed less likely to stick around & film, even from a distance, given that bullets have a tendency to hit people even if they not so close to the shootout;

    If I’m close to a large brawl, I’m likely to stick around and watch or film it, as I have done before, but if a shootout occurs, no way…

    So, the thing in Cologne is more like if you said that there had been major brawls in public places during the Euro 16, but could find no footage to confirm it.
    Obviously, there is plenty, including cell phone made, such as

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l3ZSppq6fg

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  161. Randal says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Hi Randal,

    I don't think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year's Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.


    Linh

    I don’t think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.

    Like all the best straw men, his target is nicely flexible so that however many examples are found of actual assaults by muslims at the time, he can always say “ah but that isn’t as many as the examples I’m criticising were claiming”.

    See the numbers I quoted previously from the prosecutor’s office: 513 specific allegations of sexual assaults. Undoubtedly some number of those will have been made up in the subsequent publicity, but neither you nor I nor Revusky has any plausible justification for estimating how many. His argument that “it can’t be that many or there’d be pictures” was weak from the start for the reasons pointed out, and has been effectively refuted by several posts on the thread. This was a huge outdoor event, with crowds milling everywhere, all sorts of things going on , and all the usual disorder created by mobs of youths in cities, especially immigrant and minority youths. According to the police chief quoted in my earlier post, there is video evidence, but it’s not clear enough to support convictions for sexual assaults. As has been pointed out, pointing your mobile phone at a crowd of rowdy youths in any situation is a good way to get beaten up and your phone stolen, and indeed thefts of mobiles seem to have been a large part of the general mob criminality in Cologne that New Year’s Eve.

    The fact is that there was clearly an incident in Cologne at that time that involved large numbers of criminal assaults, including sexual assaults, by, in particular, muslim immigrants. And it’s further clear that this is merely part of a wider problem throughout Europe where there is substantial mass immigration of, especially, muslims. Revusky’s assertions are (with emphasis added):

    Let us call this the Muslim Rape Army synthetic narrative, or MRA for short. It really got going some weeks before, on New Year’s Eve, in Cologne, Germany. There, the Muslim Rape Army had gone unopposed because of the testicular deficiency of the German metrosexual girlie-men, who stood by while the MRA had their way with the local German girls, hundreds of them apparently. Somehow hundreds of young women were sexually assaulted in a wide open public space without anybody getting any clear video or photos of it.
    ….
    In particular, the only feasible explanation of why there is no video of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne inside or outside the train station on New Year’s Eve is that it never happened. A tree can still fall in the forest without it being caught on camera, but hundreds of women cannot be assaulted in public in the middle of Cologne in 2016 without there being any photos or video. If this had happened, we would have the corresponding visuals and we just don’t.
    ….
    It is simply too self-evident that the MRA is a deranged racist fantasy. I am quite certain that nothing happened in Cologne and there is no Muslim Rape Army. Again, if something had happened, we would have the visuals. And we don’t. It’s that simple.
    ….
    And the people who fell for the Cologne hoax (and then wrote higher-order bullshit on the subject) constitute a veritable Who’s Who of the alt-right ethno-nationalist commentariat.

    He’s not remotely accepting that this was an exaggeration of underlying truth. He’s smearing the whole thing as a malicious “racist” fantasy.

    It’s hardly surprising he’s going to seriously piss off a lot of people who’ve seen that kind of lying smear regularly put about by the mainstream media in the service of the elites who want to promote mass immigration and cover up the costs it imposes on society (as he even comes close to admitting to being aware of in the piece, when he mentions “PC shibboleths”, presumably in an attempt to distance himself from said elite manipulation).

    Perhaps he thinks if he ingratiates himself enough with the goodthinkers by demonstrating his antiracist credentials he will be allowed to write in respectable publications. If so then he’s delusional. The elites despise “Holocaust deniers” and 9/11 dissenters like him even more than they despise the “racists” and nationalists he’s pointed his guns at with this piece.

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    See the numbers I quoted previously from the prosecutor’s office: 513 specific allegations of sexual assaults
     
    Look, what you and that other idiot German Reader do not understand is the most basic epistemological issue that there is:

    If something is impossible, then it did not happen.

    Look, let's just break it down with a simple example, okay?

    If 500 people are willing to solemnly swear before God that they saw Frau Merkel walking on water, do you believe it?

    No, right?

    So why don't you believe it?

    (a) I don't believe it because 500 people is not enough. Find 5000 people and then maybe I'll believe it.
    (b) I don't believe it because I really just hate Angela Merkel.
    (c) I don't believe it because it's physically IMPOSSIBLE.

    Okay? Full points for answer (c). Negative infinity points for either a or b.

    Very basic epistemological question.

    So, it doesn't matter if 5 people or 5000 say that Angela Merkel walked on water, because it's simply IMPOSSIBLE, right? And it doesn't matter if you hate Merkel or love her, because regardless, it's physically IMPOSSIBLE.

    Get it? So now we can apply the same basic epistemological principle to the case at hand.

    If it is claimed that hundreds of women were sexually assaulted in a wide open space like Cologne rail station and there is ZERO visual evidence and I say I don't believe it, why don't I believe it?

    (a) I don't believe it because there aren't enough people who say they saw it.
    (b) I don't believe it because I love Muslims so much.
    (c) I don't believe it because the narrative, to all intents and purposes is IMPOSSIBLE.

    Again, full points for answer (c) and negative infinity for the other two answers.

    You see, if what is being claimed is impossible, then it doesn't matter how many people say they saw it or whatever. There is a significant segment of the population that will say ANYTHING for a few bucks. So you have some woman claiming that she was gang raped by Arabs in Cologne and finally admitting she was not even in Cologne, right?

    Or you have this little Jezebel in training, 13 year old girl says she was kidnapped by dirty Ay-rabs, raped for 30 hours straight, because those Ay-rabs are big consumers of viagra... it was a total pain in the ass....

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/31/teenage-girl-made-up-migrant-claim-that-caused-uproar-in-germany

    BUT.... it was bullshit....

    What I am saying in the article is that this Revusky's Razor thing is a well motivated tool to slice through bullshit. It is a simple application really of the most basic epistemological issue enunciated above, that if something is impossible, it simply did not happen. So it doesn't matter if 534 people claim they saw a flying pig. It really just does not matter.

    An event of the scale claimed in a wide open space at the beginning of 2016 simply cannot produce ZERO VISUALS. Okay?

    You guys have to deal with this basic aspect of reality. This is what my article was about: RECLAIMING REALITY.

    This should not be an ideological question. If something is not possible, it did not happen and you guys can insult me and call me "scum" from behind a veil of anonymity and do all the other despicable shit you do, but it doesn't change reality one bit. Things that are simply impossible DID NOT HAPPEN!
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    He’s not remotely accepting that this was an exaggeration of underlying truth.
     
    Well, okay, this is the Elie Wiesel "There are true stories that didn't happen" shtick.

    He’s smearing the whole thing as a malicious “racist” fantasy.
     
    Well, whatever. You guys desperately want to believe this story. Why? One might think you'd be relieved to learn that hundreds of German girls were not sexually assaulted on New Year's Eve in Cologne. But no, you absolutely need to believe it and become enraged if somebody just points out to you that there is ZERO real evidence that any of it happened. So WTF?

    It is obvious that you believe it because you want to believe it. As for that being "racism", well, I think it is. Your desire to believe this story is based in a mindset that really is traditionally known as RACISM. I cannot state with absolute certainty what goes on in another person's mind, but that's the most basic explanation.

    Anyway, as for the notion that something of much smaller scale happened, well, I don't even see much grounds for that even. I looked into the Murmansk story and noted that the story started with 5 Arabs getting beaten up and got blown up into 51, a number that is not even feasible given the physical size of the place it was supposed to happen.

    One could think that 5 people were really beaten up and some over-eager person blew it up to 50, but I investigated it and established to a pretty high level of confidence that the true number is ZERO.

    Your idea is that if there is smoke, there must be some fire, except that could be true or not. In that case of Murmansk, there was not any fire at all. There were simply no Arabs in the club on the night in question. Period. End of story. There are people giving their full names going on record, who have no conceivable motive to lie.

    It is not that there are no visuals for hundreds of women being assaulted in Cologne on NYE. There are not visuals for even a single woman being assaulted, so there is no particular reason to believe that even a single woman was sexually assaulted. The only reason to think so is simply that there is a baseline of organic sort of stuff that happens every NYE and so one would think that about the average amount of it happened, that's all.

    But regardless, the whole story that some massive, extraordinary event, with mass sexual assaults happened there -- this is clearly false and you guys really ought to get a grip and realize that.

    Also, you frequently talk as if the onus is on me to prove the negative. But no, the onus is on you guys to prove that something happened!

    And what you have is this trick being used, where they embed a video and claim that the video shows something and then you watch the video, in particular with the sound off, so there's no distraction, and you just see that they're trying to pull a snow job.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4036668/No-touch-New-footage-Cologne-sex-attacks-reveals-women-screamed-attackers-police-realise-powerless-stop-them.html

    Just watch the video in that article. It shows absolutely nothing. This is a clear attempt to hoax the public.

    This article is from nearly a year after the alleged event, so there was nearly an entire year for some video that was on somebody's cell phone to come to light. And this is what they have to show us. So they have nothing. It's a hoax.

    I know you guys so much want to believe that there's a Muslim Rape Army, but sorry, there is none, okay? And then resorting to the pathetic straw-man that I am claiming that no Muslim ever commits a crime, that just pathetic. The point is that the Muslim Rape Army narrative is bullshit. Moreover, it is such total bullshit that, once I realize that somebody believes that, it is practically impossible to take the person seriously intellectually afterwards. This is people in serious need of some reality reclamation.

  162. Randal says:
    @German_reader
    Yes, exactly. Even more telling is his use of the term "Islamophobia". Now there certainly is a lot of dumb criticism of Muslims (e.g. the whole "taqqiya" accusation which seems to be nonsense) and that can legitimately be criticized...but still, how could anybody who is supposedly opposed to mass immigration deny that there are very real and very serious problems with Muslim immigrant communities in Europe?
    So yes, just more of the usual "antiracist" idiocy (as if there wasn't enough of that around already).

    Now there certainly is a lot of dumb criticism of Muslims (e.g. the whole “taqqiya” accusation which seems to be nonsense) and that can legitimately be criticized

    Indeed, and most of the worst stuff seems to come from the US neocon groups and individuals, which clearly have a pro-Israeli and militarist agenda of their own.

    But even with their stuff, imo it’s not usually worth challenging these days, unless it’s too obviously serving the warmongering interests of the militarists and Israeli-loyalists.

    Wherever possible nowadays I prefer to let the pc fanatics and the neocon liars exhaust themselves fighting each other’s lies.

    So yes, just more of the usual “antiracist” idiocy (as if there wasn’t enough of that around already).

    Exactly. Revusky has chosen here to make himself part of the problem instead of being part of any solution.

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  163. L.K says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Hi Randal,

    I don't think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year's Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.


    Linh

    Hey Linh,

    I don’t think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.

    That’s my take as well. I believe someone like the journalist Marcia Adair, who was there, could certainly miss some relatively small scale groping, muggings, etc, but not anything on the huge scale that has been reported. Same with the lack of visual evidence.

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    Hi LK,

    Now, metropolitan Cologne has 3,573,500 people, so at any city-wide event, there are bound to be incidents, but a sexual rampage with 500 victims, and all in a very concentrated area?! Besides the absence of visual evidence, where were the German men and cops?!

    I was in Leipzig at the same time, and between the Christmas Market and New Year's celebration, it was a festival every night for over a month, with thousands of people clogging the city center. With many cops around, it was perfectly safe for all the drunken revelers, there was no crime spree, so the Germans are quite adept at handling large crowds.

    Also, every Monday in Leipzig, radical leftists tried to attack the anti-immigrant demonstrators, and the cops were excellent at keeping the two sides apart, with rarely a flareup of violence. German cops are tops, in short.

    Suddenly, we were told that Muslims sexually assaulted hundreds of women in Cologne, with all the German men and cops completely impotent to do anything about it.

    Linh
  164. Randal says:
    @Linh Dinh
    Hi OilcanFloyd,

    Jon is saying there is no evidence of rape.

    In July of 2017, Reuter reported that an "Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will." That is repulsive and certainly a crime, but it is not rape.

    If there has been a conviction for rape from New Year's Eve in Cologne, please let us all know.


    Linh

    Jon is saying there is no evidence of rape.

    He quietly slips back and forth between referring to “rape” and to “sexual assaults” (see for instance the extracts quoted in my previous reply to you).

    Another example of the convenient flexibility of his straw man.

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  165. @Linh Dinh
    Hi OilcanFloyd,

    Jon is saying there is no evidence of rape.

    In July of 2017, Reuter reported that an "Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will." That is repulsive and certainly a crime, but it is not rape.

    If there has been a conviction for rape from New Year's Eve in Cologne, please let us all know.


    Linh

    In July of 2017, Reuter reported that an “Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.” That is repulsive and certainly a crime, but it is not rape.

    The thing is that drunken Germans do shit like that on NYE. But it’s not a rape. But looking for visuals leads to some really funny things because they put up this chickenshit stuff and then label it as if some serious shit happened, like look at this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FlF4YBDvE

    “TV reporter is sexually assaulted live on air”. You look for visuals and get all these hits and you look at what comes up and it’s stuff like the thing above! Or it’s just this stuff of a crowd there and some people shouting but especially if you watch with the sound off, you see that the video just shows nothing of what it purports to show.

    Anyway, my view on Cologne NYE 2015/2016 is just that it probably wasn’t very different from the previous New Year’s or the ones before that. I mean some stuff happened but the whole notion that something extraordinary happened that was very different from any other NYE celebration in Cologne — I think that’s just a synthetic hoax really. In the discussion under my last article, half a year ago, I wrote the following:

    What I think happened via the New Years Eve allegations is that this is a very rowdy time in Cologne and other cities in Germany. There are drunken crowds out and there may well be some professional thieves working the crowds and a lot of various shit typically happens. Okay, probably some drunks do get obnoxious with the women and shit like this, but it’s all just various chickenshit stuff and probably no more or less of it happened last New Years than any previous New Years. So what they did is they took a set of basically organic events of the sort that always happen on New Years Eve and they wove a synthetic narrative about Muslim refugees going on a raping spree. They also sprinkled it with some actual synthetic events, like girls being encouraged to make fake rape accusations. Only one girl got busted for specifically saying she was raped in Cologne (when she wasn’t even in Cologne) but surely there are more. I strongly suspect that nobody really got raped — at least by any sane definition of the term “rape”. And if they did, it wasn’t right there in a wide open space like the main train station!

    That was my view half a year ago, and my view has not changed significantly. The above is part of a comment I wrote here: http://www.unz.com/article/faith-reason-fanaticism-and-the-deeper-meaning-of-the-donald/#comment-1729338

    A few things happened organically because the NYE celebrations are raucous and there are drunk crowds. For whatever political reasons, the authorities had to pretend that some extraordinary thing had happened and they did a “Casablanca” type “Round up the usual suspects” and convicted some people of something or other and said that they had convicted people for this extraordinary thing that happened on NYE at Cologne.

    My guess, if you looked at it, is that most of the people convicted, where they say it was related to this Cologne New Year’s Eve synthetic narrative, it was criminal elements known to the police that were already in Germany. Principally North Africans. Just about none of them were Middle Eastern Arab refugees. You know the line from the Bogart film “Casablanca” where Inspector Reynaud says: ‘A crime has been committed. Round up the usual suspects.’ That’s one of the greatest lines in film history and probably says a lot about how police work really happens.

    And another thing that came out in the later months is that the authorities in Frankfurt stymied some similar hoax that they had mounted for the following NYE in Frankfurt:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/frankfurt-mass-sexual-assault-refugees-fake-made-up-bild-germany-cologne-new-year-allegations-a7581291.html

    So if you read that article and you’re capable of connecting the dots minimally…

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    Linh Dinh had written,

    In July of 2017, Reuter [sic] reported that an “Iraqi was found guilty of kissing one of the victims and licking her on her face against her will.” That is repulsive and certainly a crime, but it is not rape.
     
    What about sexual assault? Is sexual assault a legitimate characterization of the act of kissing and licking the face of someone against her (or his) will?
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    Can you, in the context that you use the term, (a) define "racism" and, (b) articulate exactly why you consider it reprehensible and reprobate?

    Whatever the word may have originally meant (which is itself not at all clear), it could hardly be any clearer that "racism" now has little meaning beyond being a highly useful and convenient means of discrediting, /a priori/, dissent from entrenched doctrinaire orthodoxies.

    Additionally, you have apparently used "racism" a number of times here for instances where a more careful "Goodwhite" (J. Derbyshire) would have used "Islamophobia" [sic]. You are aware, I would assume, that Islam is not a race but a religion, one with adherents of all races?
  166. L.K says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I still would like to hear from Mr. Revusky, particularly as to whether he repeatedly sought the private correspondence.
     
    I'll answer your question, but first of all, I am curious as to why you think this is any of your damned business. Who cares?

    Do you think that Rurik or any other anonymous dipshit really has some sort of god-given right to be here under my article insulting me, calling me "idiotic cunt" and stuff like that?

    It's a lot of work to write an article. Anybody can see that there is a lot of work in this one and the ones before it. Do you have any idea how tiresome it is to deal with cowardly little dipshits who show up and insult you like that from behind a veil of anonymity?

    Is that manly behavior? Does a man behave like that?

    You can note that I did not even complain particularly that he was insulting me, calling me things like "idiotic cunt", but that he was such a little sniveling coward as to do it anonymously. So I said that, since I knew who he was, I would out him if he continued.

    Because that's a big threat to a guy like that. He writes his passionate rants about whatever, but is terrified of having his actual name attached to anything controversial so he has to maintain his anonymity. Little sniveling coward. So it's a big threat to him. He's a total nobody, of course, so it doesn't matter anyway, but he's said some things about 9/11 and the Fed and stuff and is terrified of having his name associated with his own words, right?

    So the little coward ran away. Now he's back telling bullshit about what happened.

    Now, to answer your question, the private correspondence with the guy dated back nearly a year earlier to just after my first article. I encouraged him to write me because I thought (mistakenly) he was a good guy. (In general, I encourage people to write me, if they seem interesting to talk to.) But none of that occurred with any idea that I would get the ability to threaten to doxx him. It didn't occur to me that later the little bastard would be insulting me from his anonymous handle right under my article.

    I completely misjudged that person, thought he was a good guy. But then, you know, in private correspondence, I started realizing how limited his intelligence was. No understanding of the most basic things and seemingly no capacity to learn either. There are just a couple of things he understands, like 9/11, but he somehow doesn't understand that if 9/11 was perpetrated to demonize Muslims, then there are a lot of other things perpetrated to demonize Muslims, so he believes all that shit. I had a moment of shock a few months after my correspondence with him began because I realized that he believed the whole Muslim Rape Army narrative. I previously thought that anybody who saw through 9/11 would see throught that.

    But then, you know, you see him linking Breitbart and all these other Zionist-controlled fake news entities that disseminate all this garbage. But then he is really against the Zionists supposedly...

    The guy is a complete brainfucked idiot. But anyway, since I answered your question, please answer mine above. It doesn't matter and it's all off-topic, but I just want to know what kind of assholes I'm dealing with here. Do you really believe that some little shit like that and the other little shits here have some sort of "right" to show up here and just insult me, an identifiable person, while maintaining their anonymity? Like that's some kind of basic right on the internet?

    I don't think so. Actually, Ron Unz seems to think so, but Ron, for all his intelligence, believes a lot of weird things, it turns out...

    J.R:

    “There are just a couple of things he understands, like 9/11, but he somehow doesn’t understand that if 9/11 was perpetrated to demonize Muslims, then there are a lot of other things perpetrated to demonize Muslims, so he believes all that shit. I had a moment of shock a few months after my correspondence with him began because I realized that he believed the whole Muslim Rape Army narrative. I previously thought that anybody who saw through 9/11 would see throught that.”

    That is all part of the bounded reality thing we once talked about.
    So, truth is, one cannot assume anything… like, I have this friend, who has a good eye for technical stuff & all, and re the holohoax, he figured it out it was largely a fraudulent story long b4 me, because, to a large extent, the technical issues pertaining to the gas chamber hoax just don’t make any sense from the official BS narrative perspective. So far, so good. Last time I talked to him about 9-11 though, he still believed the official story. Re 9-11, it is not only technical issues of course, there are many other angles that prove the story is false, but given my friend’s inclination towards tech issues, I thought he would see through the BS. He refused to even look into it! He is an American I have to add. It’s not even that he buys into the war on terror, he sees right through that as the fraud it is… but he seems to go along with the notion of blowback re 9-11, I think.

    Anyway, there are 2 basic strands of Muslim demonization going on;
    1. Muslim terrorism
    2. Muslim are rapists, aka, M.R.A

    Now, obviously there are Muslims who are terrorists and Muslims who are rapists but the way the whole thing is sold is complete BS, and there is a clear agenda behind that.

    In regards to the alt right, you are totally correct. They accuse the left/ liberals of dishonesty, many times correctly, but engage in the same practices themselves.

    For them, and i ain’t even talkin’ about the foot soldiers, but about those who are supposedly scholars, the “Muslims are an army of rapists meme” is just too good a story to be bothered by facts.

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  167. Linh Dinh says: • Website
    @L.K
    Hey Linh,


    I don’t think Jon is saying there was no crime at all committed by any Muslim on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, but the sensational story of up to a 1,000 sexual assaults committed by Muslims, with nearly 500 victims, could not have happened without any visual evidence.
     
    That's my take as well. I believe someone like the journalist Marcia Adair, who was there, could certainly miss some relatively small scale groping, muggings, etc, but not anything on the huge scale that has been reported. Same with the lack of visual evidence.

    Hi LK,

    Now, metropolitan Cologne has 3,573,500 people, so at any city-wide event, there are bound to be incidents, but a sexual rampage with 500 victims, and all in a very concentrated area?! Besides the absence of visual evidence, where were the German men and cops?!

    I was in Leipzig at the same time, and between the Christmas Market and New Year’s celebration, it was a festival every night for over a month, with thousands of people clogging the city center. With many cops around, it was perfectly safe for all the drunken revelers, there was no crime spree, so the Germans are quite adept at handling large crowds.

    Also, every Monday in Leipzig, radical leftists tried to attack the anti-immigrant demonstrators, and the cops were excellent at keeping the two sides apart, with rarely a flareup of violence. German cops are tops, in short.

    Suddenly, we were told that Muslims sexually assaulted hundreds of women in Cologne, with all the German men and cops completely impotent to do anything about it.

    Linh

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