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The Magnitsky Hoax?
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Sergei Magnitsky was a Russian lawyer hired by an Anglo-American investment fund operating in Moscow to investigate the apparent diversion of as much as $230 million in taxes due to the government. He became a whistleblower after discovering that the money had been stolen by the police, organized crime figures and other government officials. After he went to the authorities to complain he was unjustly imprisoned for eleven months. When he refused to recant he was both beaten and denied medical treatment to coerce him into cooperating, resulting in his death in jail at age 37 in November 2009. He has become something of a hero for those who have decried official corruption in Russia.

The Magnitsky case is of particular importance because both the European Union and the United States have initiated sanctions against the Russian officials who were allegedly involved. In the Magnitsky Act, sponsored by Russia-phobic Senator Ben Cardin and signed by President Barack Obama in 2012, the U.S. asserted its willingness to punish foreign governments for violations of human rights. Russia reacted angrily, noting that the actions taken by its government internally, notably the operation of its judiciary, were being subjected to outside interference. It reciprocated with sanctions against U.S. officials as well as by increasing pressure on foreign non-governmental pro-democracy groups operating in Russia. Tension between Moscow and Washington increased considerably as a result and Congress will likely soon approve a so-called Global Magnitsky Act as part of the current defense appropriation bill. It expands the use of sanctions and other punitive measures against regimes guilty of egregious human rights abuses though it is unlikely to be applied to U.S. friends like Saudi Arabia and Israel. It is also sponsored by Senator Ben Cardin and is clearly intended to intimidate Russia.

The tit-for-tat that has severely damaged relations with Russia is based on the standard narrative embraced by many regarding who Magnitsky was and what he did, but is it true? I had the privilege of attending the first by invitation only screening of a documentary “The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes,” produced by Russian filmmaker Andrei Nekrasov. The documentary had been blocked in Europe through lawsuits filed by some of the parties linked to the prevailing narrative but the Newseum in Washington eventually proved willing to permit rental of a viewing room in spite of threats coming from the same individuals to sue to stop the showing.

Nekrasov by his own account had intended to do a documentary honoring Magnitsky and his employers as champions for human rights within an increasing fragile Russian democracy. He had previously produced documentaries highly critical of Russian actions in Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine, and also regarding the assassinations of Russian dissident Alexander Litvinenko in London as well as of journalist Anna Politkovskaya in Moscow. He has been critical of Vladimir Putin personally and was not regarded as someone who was friendly to the regime, quite the contrary. Some of his work has been banned in Russia.

After his documentary was completed using actors to play the various real-life personalities involved and was being edited Nekrasov returned to some issues that had come up during the interviews made during the filming. The documentary records how he sought clarification of what he was reading and hearing but one question inevitably led to another.

The documentary began with the full participation of American born UK citizen William Browder, who virtually served as narrator for the first section that portrayed the widely accepted story on Magnitsky. Browder portrays himself as a human rights campaigner dedicated to promoting the legacy of Sergei Magnitsky, but he is inevitably much more complicated than that. The grandson of Earl Browder the former General Secretary of the American Communist Party, William Browder studied economics at the University of Chicago, and obtained an MBA from Stanford.

From the beginning, Browder concentrated on Eastern Europe, which was beginning to open up to the west. In 1989 he took a position at highly respected Boston Consulting Group dealing with reviving failing Polish socialist enterprises. He then worked as an Eastern Europe analyst for Robert Maxwell, the unsavory British press magnate and Mossad spy, before joining the Russia team at Wall Street’s Salomon Brothers in 1992.

He left Salomons in 1996 and partnered with the controversial Edmond Safra, the Lebanese-Brazilian-Jewish banker who died in a mysterious fire in 1999, to set up Hermitage Capital Management Fund. Hermitage is registered in tax havens Guernsey and the Cayman Islands. It is a hedge fund that was focused on “investing” in Russia, taking advantage initially of the loans-for-shares scheme under Boris Yeltsin, and then continuing to profit greatly during the early years of Vladimir Putin’s ascendancy. By 2005 Hermitage was the largest foreign investor in Russia.

Browder had renounced his U.S. citizenship in 1997 and became a British citizen apparently to avoid American taxes, which are levied on worldwide income. In his book Red Notice: A True Story of High Finance, Murder and One Man’s Fight for Justice he depicts himself as an honest and honorable Western businessman attempting to function in a corrupt Russian business world. That may or may not be true, but the loans-for-shares scheme that made him his initial fortune has been correctly characterized as the epitome of corruption, an arrangement whereby foreign investors worked with local oligarchs to strip the former Soviet economy of its assets paying pennies on each dollar of value. Along the way, Browder was reportedly involved in making false representations on official documents and bribery.

As a consequence of what came to be known as the Magnitsky scandal, Browder was eventually charged by the Russian authorities for fraud and tax evasion. He was banned from re-entering Russia in 2005, even before Magnitsky died, and began to withdraw his assets from the country. Three companies controlled by Hermitage were eventually seized by the authorities, though it is not clear if any assets remained in Russia. Browder himself was convicted of tax evasion in absentia in 2013 and sentenced to nine years in prison.

Browder has assiduously, and mostly successfully, made his case that he and Magnitsky have been the victims of Russian corruption both during and since that time, though there have been skeptics regarding many details of his personal narrative. He has been able to sell his tale to leading American politicians like Senators John McCain, Ben Cardin and ex-Senator Joe Lieberman, always receptive when criticizing Russia, as well as to a number of European parliamentarians and media outlets. But there is, inevitably, another side to the story, something quite different, which Andrei Nekrasov presents to the viewer.

Nekrasov has discovered what he believes to be holes in the narrative that has been carefully constructed and nurtured by Browder. He provides documents and also an interview with Magnitsky’s mother maintaining that there is no clear evidence that he was beaten or tortured and that he died instead due to the failure to provide him with medicine while in prison or treatment shortly after he had a heart attack. A subsequent investigation ordered by then Russian President Dimitri Medvedev in 2011 confirmed that Magnitsky had not received medical treatment, contributing to this death, but could not confirm that he had been beaten even though there was suspicion that that might have been the case.

Nekrasov also claims that much of the case against the Russian authorities is derived from English language translations of relevant documents provided by Browder himself. The actual documents sometimes say something quite different. Magnitsky is referred to as an accountant, not a lawyer, which would make sense as a document of his deposition is apparently part of a criminal investigation of possible tax fraud, meaning that he was no whistleblower and was instead a suspected criminal.

Other discrepancies cited by Nekrasov include documents demonstrating that Magnitsky did not file any complaint about police and other government officials who were subsequently cited by Browder as participants in the plot, that the documents allegedly stolen from Magnitsky to enable the plotters to transfer possession of three Hermitage controlled companies were irrelevant to how the companies eventually were transferred and that someone else employed by Hermitage other than Magnitsky actually initiated investigation of the fraud.

In conclusion, Nekrasov believes there was indeed a huge fraud related to Russian taxes but that it was not carried out by corrupt officials. Instead, it was deliberately ordered and engineered by Browder with Magnitsky, the accountant, personally developing and implementing the scheme used to carry out the deception.

To be sure, Browder and his international legal team have presented documents in the case that contradict much of what Nekrasov has presented in his film. But in my experience as an intelligence officer I have learned that documents are easily forged, altered, or destroyed so considerable care must be exercised in discovering the provenance and authenticity of the evidence being provided. It is not clear that that has been the case. It might be that Browder and Magnitsky have been the victims of a corrupt and venal state, but it just might be the other way around. In my experience perceived wisdom on any given subject usually turns out to be incorrect.

Given the adversarial positions staked out, either Browder or Nekrasov is essentially right, though one should not rule out a combination of greater or lesser malfeasance coming from both sides. But certainly Browder should be confronted more intensively on the nature of his business activities while in Russia and not given a free pass because he is saying things about Russia and Putin that fit neatly into a Washington establishment profile. As soon as folks named McCain, Cardin and Lieberman jump on a cause it should be time to step back a bit and reflect on what the consequences of proposed action might be.

One should ask why anyone who has a great deal to gain by having a certain narrative accepted should be completely and unquestionably trusted, the venerable Cui bono? standard. And then there is a certain evasiveness on the part of Browder. The film shows him huffing and puffing to explain himself at times and he has avoided being served with subpoenas on allegations connected to the Magnitsky fraud that are making their way through American courts. In one case he can be seen on YouTube running away from a server, somewhat unusual behavior if he has nothing to hide.

A number of Congressmen and staffers were invited to the showing of the Nekrasov documentary at the Newseum but it is not clear if any of them actually bothered to attend, demonstrating once again how America’s legislature operates inside a bubble of willful ignorance of its own making. Nor was the event reported in the local “newspaper of record” the Washington Post, which has been consistently hostile to Russia on its editorial and news pages.

A serious effort that a friend of mine described as “hell breaking loose” was also made to disrupt the question and answer session that followed the viewing of the film, with a handful of clearly coordinated hecklers interrupting and making it impossible for others to speak. The organized intruders, who may have gained entry using invitations that were sent to congressmen, suggested that someone at least considers this game being played out to have very high stakes.

The point is that neither Nekrasov nor Browder should be taken at their word. Either or both might be lying and the motivation to make mischief is very high if even a portion of the stolen $230 million is still floating around and available. And by the same measure, no Congressman or even the President should trust the established narrative, particularly if they persist in their hypocritical conceit that global human rights are best judged from Washington. They should in particular hesitate if they are considering tying policy towards Russia based on a presumption of guilt on the part of Moscow without really knowing what actually did occur. That could well be a decision that will bring with it tragic consequences.

 
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  1. It’s a pity that doublespeak and doublethink rule the world. Every time you read something you now must decipher.

    “Foreign non-governmental pro-democracy groups” means absolutely different things than it is stated. We must read “foreign” as “American”, “non-governmental” as “uncontroled by the Russian government, but sponsored by the US government”, and “pro-democracy” as “pro-US”.

    There is nothing democratic in these groups. Everything they say is a lie. They do not want at all democracy for Russians. Because if there were democracy in Russia, then Browder and other foreign carpetbaggers were shot dead by popular vote. Or at least they could never come to Russia and rob it as they have been doing. And they all know it. They do not want freedom and human right for Russians. By “freedom” these groups understand the freedom for THEM and THEIR friends, and by “human right” they understand the rights for THEM and THEIR friends.

    But the real problem is the Russian government do not want good for Russians as well. This entire conflict is between the native colonial administration and the foreign carpetbaggers. And the main point is who’ll get the cash, either Browder and his friends or some unknown Russian oligarchs and corrupt officials. But both the results are bad for Russians.

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    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Rurik
    Hello Boris,

    But the real problem is the Russian government do not want good for Russians as well.
     
    in your opinion, is the Putin government just as corrupt as the Zio-West?

    from here in the (dying and looted) West, it looks like Russia's middle class is ascendant, while ours is being systematically murdered off

    personally, for me, what it feels like is that the worst elements in the population that were in Russia (and Eastern Europe) during the 20th century have now emigrated over to the West. And that just as Russia and Eastern Europe suffered unimaginable horrors during the last century, under cruel and sadistic Bolsheviks (and the Cheka and NKVD), they are now over here, fomenting genocide and looting the place blind.

    It's as if when Putin came to power, the Fiend slithered over the Berlin wall into the West, where it now molders in the assorted banking houses and think tanks plotting its next iniquitous atrocity, whether financial or military or social/cultural.

    That's how it seems to me anyways.


    (thank you PG for your superlative and informative articles. They're very much appreciated)
    , @Eileen Kuch
    I agree with you wholeheartedly, Boris, with the comments you made on democracy in Russia, as well as the role the foreign (US) carpetbaggers had played in Russian society.
    However, you failed to mention Russian President Vladimir Putin, who had succeeded the drunken, incompetent Boris Yeltsin, who had been installed by the Jewish Oligarchs, who were - during his Presidency - looting the Russian Treasury and bleeding the nation dry. It was Putin who salvaged the Russian economy by imprisoning and/or exiling these Oligarchs and seizing all of their assets. He also restored Orthodox Christianity in Russia after 70 years of it being underground under Bolshevik Communism. The magnificent Cathedral of Christ the Redeemer, which had been built in the 19th Century, then demolished by Lazar Kaganovich under Josef Stalin's orders, was restored (rebuilt) after Yeltsin became President in the 1990's.
    Democracy also came to Russia under Putin, along with the revival of Orthodox Christianity. As a result, the Russian people are experiencing more freedom than people are in Western countries, including the US. In a way, these two nations - Russia and the US - have switched ideologies. Even as I type this reply, Boris, Christianity in the US has just come under attack by the Federal Courts which, btw, is a gross violation of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution, which guarantees, along with freedoms of speech, press and peaceable assemply, freedom of religion.
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  2. the Short Version: Putin’s Russia is a large White pebble in the open-borders Judeo-globalist shoe. The Zionists/neo-conz/cucks will do anything – even upbrink to a nuclear WW III – to destroy Nationalist Russia

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    • Replies: @Quartermaster
    Putin is the man rattle the nuclear sabers, not the west. The west has called Putin on his neo-Tsarist activities and he's responded with a threat of nuclear war.

    No one in the west has to do a thing to destroy Russia. Putin is doing a very good job all by his lonesome. He learned his lessons well while at the KGB.
  3. And something else about democracy, freedom, human rights and so on hypocritical demagogy of the West.

    I’ve been reading the Western press for many years now, and when they write about Russia or the above-mentioned holy things, I constantly read only less than a dozen of names. Namely: Politkovskaya, Litvinenko, Magnitsky, Khodorkovsky and a couple of others. Everything that concerns the human rights violations in Russia is just about that privileged dozen of people. Nothing else bad happens in Russia with anybody else. Believe me if all the problems with human rights in Russia were only with that dozen of people I would be really happy. But the fact is that everyday for the last 25 years thousands of common Russians are faced with the violations of their rights. But nobody in the West worry about them, nobody mention them, they simply do not exist for the West. The only people that exist are those who are directly or indirectly connected with the Western establishment. That is the Western establishment and their tame press are concerned only about their personal interests.

    And when another Western (or Russian) journalist or human rights “activist”, while writing another article about Russia, mention again and again just only that half a dozen of the names, I just cannot help but despise those hypocrites.

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  4. The yankee imperium has evolved into the inverted totalitarianism structure. The mainstream press and those inside the beltway are no more free agents than politburo members were during the Soviet era. Why would Nekrasov, prior to this film a known enemy of the Russian state, change his views unless he was an honourable man convinced by the evidence? The treatment of this film reveals the true nature of the contemporary yankee power structure.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You omit taking notice of the author's shrewd observation that there might still be available some large amount of money that even Nekrasov might find irresistable as way to quickly achieved financial independence. Even if he is basically an honest man he might be able to rationalise selling out if he knows that Browder is, anyway, a crook.
  5. Sergei Magnitsky like the US and EU was a Zionist clown whose strings were held by the Organized Jewry.

    In November 2015, in an interview with UK’s No.1 Israeli propaganda media outlet, ‘Jewish Chronicle’, William Browder, the American-born Jewish tycoon who describes himself as Putin’s “number one enemy” in his book: Red Notice, claimed that though Putin had met Netanyahu, Avigdor Lieberman, and local Jewish leaders; supports Israel and donated $1 million to Moscow’s Holocaust Museum – his heart is filled with hatred towards Jews. Why? Because he tortured and killed Magnitsky and supports Iran’s ally Assad.

    Madeleine Albright, who found her Jewish family roots while holding post of US secretary of state, in a recent interview she gave to Austrian newspaper DiePress.com called Russian president Vladimir Putin “a smart but a truly evil man.” She claimed that Putin is trying his best to destroy European Union and NATO, two of Israel’s allies.

    “He is smart but truly an evil man. An officer of KGB, who wants to exercise power and believes that every body has come together to conspire against Russia. This is not true. Putin is playing bad cards well, for the time being at least. I believe his goal is to undermine and split EU. He want NATO to disappear from his sphere of influence,” She said.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/04/24/madeleine-albright-putin-is-an-evil-man/

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    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
    Thanks. The latest neocon line is to use Brexit as an excuse to (a) blame Putin even more (b) expand NATO. Today's Washington Post had an editorial demanding that NATO be strengthened to ward off the enhanced Russian threat now that Britain will be leaving the EU.
    , @bunga
    I guess he doesn't have to be anti Jewish ,but being a proponent of prosperity at home and peace abroad does create a monster out of a decent man in today's garbage land which defines the western minds . It sure doesn't help the warmongering war readiness war friendly Zio
    In some way Zio are doing what they did to other peace makers through the ages Being against war and being for peace automatically ensures extended definition of antisemitism will be attached

    Here is the perfect moment to remember that it was antisemitism to question the western narrative on Iran nuclear program .
    David Brooks will conform if his mind is still sharp enough that he once suggested attacking George Bush war of 2003 was a also antisemitic .

    WTF with these shitheads

  6. @Rehmat
    Sergei Magnitsky like the US and EU was a Zionist clown whose strings were held by the Organized Jewry.

    In November 2015, in an interview with UK's No.1 Israeli propaganda media outlet, 'Jewish Chronicle', William Browder, the American-born Jewish tycoon who describes himself as Putin's "number one enemy" in his book: Red Notice, claimed that though Putin had met Netanyahu, Avigdor Lieberman, and local Jewish leaders; supports Israel and donated $1 million to Moscow's Holocaust Museum - his heart is filled with hatred towards Jews. Why? Because he tortured and killed Magnitsky and supports Iran's ally Assad.

    Madeleine Albright, who found her Jewish family roots while holding post of US secretary of state, in a recent interview she gave to Austrian newspaper DiePress.com called Russian president Vladimir Putin “a smart but a truly evil man.” She claimed that Putin is trying his best to destroy European Union and NATO, two of Israel’s allies.

    “He is smart but truly an evil man. An officer of KGB, who wants to exercise power and believes that every body has come together to conspire against Russia. This is not true. Putin is playing bad cards well, for the time being at least. I believe his goal is to undermine and split EU. He want NATO to disappear from his sphere of influence,” She said.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/04/24/madeleine-albright-putin-is-an-evil-man/

    Thanks. The latest neocon line is to use Brexit as an excuse to (a) blame Putin even more (b) expand NATO. Today’s Washington Post had an editorial demanding that NATO be strengthened to ward off the enhanced Russian threat now that Britain will be leaving the EU.

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    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
    ... and yet Putin counseled Britain to say with the E.U. Hey, that's why he did it, smart but evil fella that "baby killer" Albright claims he is: he knew they hate him so much, they'll do the opposite of anything he advises!

    Never thought I'd be defending a Russian leader against Pravda-style leaden dissembling, redolent of late Soviet mendacity, in American media, of all places. But I guess that somewhere along the line, after Solzhenitsyn ended his exile, the threat of godless Soviet communism was replaced by our own homegrown godless Americanism!
  7. Who is the cutie in the pic?

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    • Replies: @dahoit
    I guarantee she will look like her mother in 20 years,if not already.
    Exactly why women are the determining factor in a relationship,as anything looks good to some guys.:)
    , @Bob Arctor
    Elena Servattaz
  8. @exiled off mainstreet
    The yankee imperium has evolved into the inverted totalitarianism structure. The mainstream press and those inside the beltway are no more free agents than politburo members were during the Soviet era. Why would Nekrasov, prior to this film a known enemy of the Russian state, change his views unless he was an honourable man convinced by the evidence? The treatment of this film reveals the true nature of the contemporary yankee power structure.

    You omit taking notice of the author’s shrewd observation that there might still be available some large amount of money that even Nekrasov might find irresistable as way to quickly achieved financial independence. Even if he is basically an honest man he might be able to rationalise selling out if he knows that Browder is, anyway, a crook.

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    Q: Who is guilty of lying, Nekrasov or Browder?

    A: Which one is the Jew?

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    • Replies: @Sam J.
    As Anonymous says,"
    Q: Who is guilty of lying, Nekrasov or Browder?

    A: Which one is the Jew?"

    Agreed. Frequently you will find that to find the truth just see what the Jew is saying and the opposite will be the truth or what they say will be so convoluted as to twist the truth into a blaspheme of some sort.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Are you just idly polluting UR with your prejudices or do you have some faintly relevant information?

    The Browders who are descended from (non-Jewish) Communist Earl Browder seem to have good mathematical brains which may be inherited from Earl Browder's Russian Jewish wife. But it appears the Jewishness ended with her. The younger Bill Browder (who has a mathematician uncle also called Bill) is the son of mathematician Felix who doesn't appear to have married a Jew. Over to you to research Nekrasov. Will your brain suffer spasms or paraysis if you find that neither of them are Jews.
  10. @Haxo Angmark
    the Short Version: Putin's Russia is a large White pebble in the open-borders Judeo-globalist shoe. The Zionists/neo-conz/cucks will do anything - even upbrink to a nuclear WW III - to destroy Nationalist Russia

    Putin is the man rattle the nuclear sabers, not the west. The west has called Putin on his neo-Tsarist activities and he’s responded with a threat of nuclear war.

    No one in the west has to do a thing to destroy Russia. Putin is doing a very good job all by his lonesome. He learned his lessons well while at the KGB.

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    • Replies: @dahoit
    Quartermaster;Northrup Grumman?Lockheed?Raytheon?
    Yankee come home,damn it!
    Someone tried to assassinate a political candidate for POTUS the other day,but if one slept late the following day,one wouldn't know it.
    I say it again;Imagine the outpouring of sympathy and concern trolling for Hillaryous is it was she.
    Trump has no MSM in his corner whatsoever.Has there ever been such a colossal exhibition of media collusion in American history?
    The Zionists,it should be obvious,countenance no nationalism but their own.
    , @White Nationalist
    "Putin is the man rattle the nuclear sabers..."

    _____


    Which clown school did you attend? Hopefully they're no longer in business.
    , @Orville H. Larson
    "Putin is the man rattle the nuclear sabers, not the west. The West has called Putin on his neo-Tsarist activities and he's responded with a threat of nuclear war."

    Huh? Say what?

    You've got it ass-backwards, lad. The U.S. Government and its puppet NATO are the biggest warmongers on the planet, not to mention a certain pantsuited shrew who's running for President. . . .
  11. @Boris N
    It's a pity that doublespeak and doublethink rule the world. Every time you read something you now must decipher.

    "Foreign non-governmental pro-democracy groups" means absolutely different things than it is stated. We must read "foreign" as "American", "non-governmental" as "uncontroled by the Russian government, but sponsored by the US government", and "pro-democracy" as "pro-US".

    There is nothing democratic in these groups. Everything they say is a lie. They do not want at all democracy for Russians. Because if there were democracy in Russia, then Browder and other foreign carpetbaggers were shot dead by popular vote. Or at least they could never come to Russia and rob it as they have been doing. And they all know it. They do not want freedom and human right for Russians. By "freedom" these groups understand the freedom for THEM and THEIR friends, and by "human right" they understand the rights for THEM and THEIR friends.

    But the real problem is the Russian government do not want good for Russians as well. This entire conflict is between the native colonial administration and the foreign carpetbaggers. And the main point is who'll get the cash, either Browder and his friends or some unknown Russian oligarchs and corrupt officials. But both the results are bad for Russians.

    Hello Boris,

    But the real problem is the Russian government do not want good for Russians as well.

    in your opinion, is the Putin government just as corrupt as the Zio-West?

    from here in the (dying and looted) West, it looks like Russia’s middle class is ascendant, while ours is being systematically murdered off

    personally, for me, what it feels like is that the worst elements in the population that were in Russia (and Eastern Europe) during the 20th century have now emigrated over to the West. And that just as Russia and Eastern Europe suffered unimaginable horrors during the last century, under cruel and sadistic Bolsheviks (and the Cheka and NKVD), they are now over here, fomenting genocide and looting the place blind.

    It’s as if when Putin came to power, the Fiend slithered over the Berlin wall into the West, where it now molders in the assorted banking houses and think tanks plotting its next iniquitous atrocity, whether financial or military or social/cultural.

    That’s how it seems to me anyways.

    (thank you PG for your superlative and informative articles. They’re very much appreciated)

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    • Replies: @Druid
    Absolutely
    , @Boris N

    in your opinion, is the Putin government just as corrupt as the Zio-West?
     
    Yes, absolutely. It is not just my mere assumption, and it is not a conspiracy either, but clear open facts that anybody can see if one wants to see. It is not "as corrupt as", it IS controled by the West. We must not be deceived by the trickery red herring play of the official Kremlin (I do not like the cliche "Kremlin propaganda", but this is exactly it; unfortunately the Western MSM use this term for absolutely different things; the Western MSM play in the same duo, by the way).

    Who is Putin and where has he come from in the first place? Apart from that he is a former KGB officer, and, as they say, "there aren't former KGB officers" (and this is important as a great deal of Russian oligarchs came from that organization), he has not come from anywhere and suddenly but fairly won the presidential campaign in 2000. During the 1990s he was moving around in the Russian oligarchic and Kremlin circles, in fact he once was the right hand of the first mayor of St.-Petersburg Sobchak, which in turn was a friend of Yeltsin. You think Putin is different, but he is the same, he is from the same circles, you has been tricked by the made-up image of Putin, a fiend for oligarchs and a friend of people, whereas he is, in fact, a friend of oligarchs, literally.

    Then, what is more important. Even if we know little about Putin's life in the 1990s (everything is deliberately hidden), we know, hey, the entire world knows, how Putin has come to power. Putin was a protege of Yeltsin, and this Yeltsin's protectionism was not hidden, but absolutely public and official. Putin is the successor of Yeltsin, directly appointed by Yeltsin, a "legacy president" whose main goal is to maintain the status quo from the 1990s. I would rater call him a CEO under the control of the real masters, than an independent leader of the state. How can one at all believe "Putin is not Yeltsin", when it is contrary to the facts. And again we know which circles Yeltsin represented, and we know that those circles have had close connections with the West if not controled by the West, and here we've come to the most interesting part.

    The entire post-Soviet Russian elite (oligarchs and government officials) has come come from the Communist nomenklatura, from the KGB and from the Soviet black market mafia structures (usually run by Jews, Ukrainians and Asiatics like Georgians, Armenians, Azeris and Uzbeks). And everybody of them have had many connections with the West, particularly with London, thousands of Russian oligarchs, higher officials or at least their families live in London, London is a second (true?) capital of Russia.

    So there is no reason, why we must take the Kremlin and the West at face value. Why must we believe there is a conflict of the planetary scale, when there is none.

    Well, I've said much enough (I hope MI6 will not find me; joke), but you can dig further yourself, everything is in open, the Russian ruling clique does not much hide itself, you do not need to be a secret agent trying to acquire the secret Kremlin (or rather Westminster?) documents, you just need to know the right directions of your searches. Just don't allow them to confuse yourself with the information noise, both from the Kremlin and the West. Sift attentively thousands of articles about a good Putin and a bad Putin from both the direction, because their real goal is just to hide the real truth.
    , @Boris N

    from here in the (dying and looted) West, it looks like Russia’s middle class is ascendant, while ours is being systematically murdered off
     
    As for the Russian middle class. Of course, since 2000 the living standards of Russians have improved greatly. We could argue if it is due magical Putin or high prices of natural resources. But this only if we compare it with the Sovet pitiful existence and the extreme poverty of the 1990s. But Even if Russians have now more money, cars, things and all, Russia outside of Moscow and St.-Petersburg is still and will be for many decades a Second Word country, in many places even a Third World one. I lived in Western Europe and I can tell the difference. This is absolutely another different planet. Every bit there is better than in Russia, so Russia seems quite backward. It is just simply pleasant to live in a First World country. You constantly complain how bad the life in the West is, but you do not understand your luck that you were born or live there.

    And nothing much have changed since the 1990s, if not since the Soviet times. The entire country is still ruled by the former Soviet nomenklature, the oligarchs of the 1990s and Western companies still own and pwn Russia, gigantic bulks of the Russian wealth flow to off-shore havens, the state budget still consist of >60% of the "natural rent", the high level corruption is flourishing, a great deal of the budget is embezzled by officials. Maybe the reason why the average Russians still live decent lives is Russia's wealth so immense, that even if half of it is stolen by the upper 5-10%, the remaining half is enough for the well-being of the other 90%. But imagine how well the Russians would live without the robbery by the Kremlin oligarchic clique.

    And don't take official Russian statistics at face value. The Russian middle class hardly exists. And after 2014 the income of people has been dropping steadily. For the most provincial cities the picture is following (at 70 roubles per USD):

    Lowest 30% earn below $200 per month
    Low Middle 40% - $200-$400
    High Middle 20% - $400-$600
    Upper 5% - $600-$1200
    In Moscow, St.-Petersburg and some northern regions these number are 2 times higher, but they comprise barely 15% of the population.

    And we're left with 5%, the clique and their servants.

    I can hardly name the people who earns under $400 the "middle class", and the country where 70% earns below that can hardly be called rich (though it is quite developed, comparing with the Third World). So there are just 5%, max 25%, of the real middle class. And the average pensions are around $200/month, so no less than 40 mln of senior Russians live for that small amount of money, and with constantly rising prices it is very difficult to make both ends meet.

    And the last. You will complain that Europe is being flooded with immigrants, but Russia is a last stronghold. But I'll tell you what. Russia is on the second place by immigrant population after the USA! And they are coming in. Russia has officially 10 mln and unofficially close to 25 mln of immigrants from Asia. Moscow, in fact, must compete with London by the percentage of Asiatic immigrants. The Muslim population is rising and the Kremlin openly favours Muslims and Muslim immigrants.
  12. @Rehmat
    Sergei Magnitsky like the US and EU was a Zionist clown whose strings were held by the Organized Jewry.

    In November 2015, in an interview with UK's No.1 Israeli propaganda media outlet, 'Jewish Chronicle', William Browder, the American-born Jewish tycoon who describes himself as Putin's "number one enemy" in his book: Red Notice, claimed that though Putin had met Netanyahu, Avigdor Lieberman, and local Jewish leaders; supports Israel and donated $1 million to Moscow's Holocaust Museum - his heart is filled with hatred towards Jews. Why? Because he tortured and killed Magnitsky and supports Iran's ally Assad.

    Madeleine Albright, who found her Jewish family roots while holding post of US secretary of state, in a recent interview she gave to Austrian newspaper DiePress.com called Russian president Vladimir Putin “a smart but a truly evil man.” She claimed that Putin is trying his best to destroy European Union and NATO, two of Israel’s allies.

    “He is smart but truly an evil man. An officer of KGB, who wants to exercise power and believes that every body has come together to conspire against Russia. This is not true. Putin is playing bad cards well, for the time being at least. I believe his goal is to undermine and split EU. He want NATO to disappear from his sphere of influence,” She said.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/04/24/madeleine-albright-putin-is-an-evil-man/

    I guess he doesn’t have to be anti Jewish ,but being a proponent of prosperity at home and peace abroad does create a monster out of a decent man in today’s garbage land which defines the western minds . It sure doesn’t help the warmongering war readiness war friendly Zio
    In some way Zio are doing what they did to other peace makers through the ages Being against war and being for peace automatically ensures extended definition of antisemitism will be attached

    Here is the perfect moment to remember that it was antisemitism to question the western narrative on Iran nuclear program .
    David Brooks will conform if his mind is still sharp enough that he once suggested attacking George Bush war of 2003 was a also antisemitic .

    WTF with these shitheads

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  13. @Greasy William
    Who is the cutie in the pic?

    I guarantee she will look like her mother in 20 years,if not already.
    Exactly why women are the determining factor in a relationship,as anything looks good to some guys.:)

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  14. i’m happy we have a comments section to help separate the wheat from the chaff in all these “articles” that more and more just seem to be propaganda.

    the truth always seems to be the first casualty.

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  15. @Quartermaster
    Putin is the man rattle the nuclear sabers, not the west. The west has called Putin on his neo-Tsarist activities and he's responded with a threat of nuclear war.

    No one in the west has to do a thing to destroy Russia. Putin is doing a very good job all by his lonesome. He learned his lessons well while at the KGB.

    Quartermaster;Northrup Grumman?Lockheed?Raytheon?
    Yankee come home,damn it!
    Someone tried to assassinate a political candidate for POTUS the other day,but if one slept late the following day,one wouldn’t know it.
    I say it again;Imagine the outpouring of sympathy and concern trolling for Hillaryous is it was she.
    Trump has no MSM in his corner whatsoever.Has there ever been such a colossal exhibition of media collusion in American history?
    The Zionists,it should be obvious,countenance no nationalism but their own.

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  16. @Rurik
    Hello Boris,

    But the real problem is the Russian government do not want good for Russians as well.
     
    in your opinion, is the Putin government just as corrupt as the Zio-West?

    from here in the (dying and looted) West, it looks like Russia's middle class is ascendant, while ours is being systematically murdered off

    personally, for me, what it feels like is that the worst elements in the population that were in Russia (and Eastern Europe) during the 20th century have now emigrated over to the West. And that just as Russia and Eastern Europe suffered unimaginable horrors during the last century, under cruel and sadistic Bolsheviks (and the Cheka and NKVD), they are now over here, fomenting genocide and looting the place blind.

    It's as if when Putin came to power, the Fiend slithered over the Berlin wall into the West, where it now molders in the assorted banking houses and think tanks plotting its next iniquitous atrocity, whether financial or military or social/cultural.

    That's how it seems to me anyways.


    (thank you PG for your superlative and informative articles. They're very much appreciated)

    Absolutely

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  17. A question. Before we murdered Qadaffi, he and his family were reputed to have socked away in European banks some $60 billion. What happened to all that money when he and his family were killed off or imprisoned?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The Swiss and other European governments and banks froze Gaddafi's assets shortly before he was eliminated.
  18. Dr. Giraldi, do you know there is a Jewish organization in UK, which gives “Sergei Magnitsky Human Rights Awards”? Last year, it awarded the honor on Israel-First Rep. Jim McGovern. Jim McGovern, a Democrat who co-chairs the influential ‘Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission’ – named after Jewish Rep. Tom Lantos (d. 2008).

    During his acceptance speech Jim McGovern said that he was a staunch supporter of Israel and supported the US-Iran nuclear agreement because it would be good for Israel in long-term.

    During his stay in London, Jim McGovern was interviewed by Israeli mouthpiece, Jewish Chronicle – published on November 27.

    “I understand the security concerns, but I also believe that ultimately, the way forward in Israel is for there to be real negotiations with the Palestinians — a two-state solution. People need to learn to live with each other — that’s the solution all over the world,” McGovern said.

    When asked does that include Hamas? McGovern replied: “I don’t need to negotiate with my friends. I need to negotiate with the people I consider my adversaries and my enemies.”

    He also criticized Israel’s human rights abuses and warned such actions are isolating Israel from the international community. “I think Israel does not have a perfect human rights record. I think the settlement policies are very troublesome,” he said.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/11/28/rep-mcgovern-only-hamas-can-guarantee-israels-security/

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    • Replies: @Art

    Last year, it awarded the honor on Israel-First Rep. Jim McGovern. Jim McGovern, a Democrat who co-chairs the influential ‘Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission’ – named after Jewish Rep. Tom Lantos (d. 2008).
     
    God help us, that Jew jerk Lantos is still screwing over America.

    Wonder how many Palestinians he is responsible for murdering?
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    @rod1963
    A question. Before we murdered Qadaffi, he and his family were reputed to have socked away in European banks some $60 billion. What happened to all that money when he and his family were killed off or imprisoned?

    The Swiss and other European governments and banks froze Gaddafi’s assets shortly before he was eliminated.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Scotland the Brave


    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/scotland-the-brave/?highlight=pan+am+103+lockerbie
  20. @Quartermaster
    Putin is the man rattle the nuclear sabers, not the west. The west has called Putin on his neo-Tsarist activities and he's responded with a threat of nuclear war.

    No one in the west has to do a thing to destroy Russia. Putin is doing a very good job all by his lonesome. He learned his lessons well while at the KGB.

    “Putin is the man rattle the nuclear sabers…”

    _____

    Which clown school did you attend? Hopefully they’re no longer in business.

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  21. @Anonymous
    Q: Who is guilty of lying, Nekrasov or Browder?

    A: Which one is the Jew?

    As Anonymous says,”
    Q: Who is guilty of lying, Nekrasov or Browder?

    A: Which one is the Jew?”

    Agreed. Frequently you will find that to find the truth just see what the Jew is saying and the opposite will be the truth or what they say will be so convoluted as to twist the truth into a blaspheme of some sort.

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  22. @Rehmat
    Dr. Giraldi, do you know there is a Jewish organization in UK, which gives "Sergei Magnitsky Human Rights Awards"? Last year, it awarded the honor on Israel-First Rep. Jim McGovern. Jim McGovern, a Democrat who co-chairs the influential 'Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission' – named after Jewish Rep. Tom Lantos (d. 2008).

    During his acceptance speech Jim McGovern said that he was a staunch supporter of Israel and supported the US-Iran nuclear agreement because it would be good for Israel in long-term.

    During his stay in London, Jim McGovern was interviewed by Israeli mouthpiece, Jewish Chronicle – published on November 27.

    “I understand the security concerns, but I also believe that ultimately, the way forward in Israel is for there to be real negotiations with the Palestinians — a two-state solution. People need to learn to live with each other — that’s the solution all over the world,” McGovern said.

    When asked does that include Hamas? McGovern replied: “I don’t need to negotiate with my friends. I need to negotiate with the people I consider my adversaries and my enemies.”

    He also criticized Israel’s human rights abuses and warned such actions are isolating Israel from the international community. “I think Israel does not have a perfect human rights record. I think the settlement policies are very troublesome,” he said.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/11/28/rep-mcgovern-only-hamas-can-guarantee-israels-security/

    Last year, it awarded the honor on Israel-First Rep. Jim McGovern. Jim McGovern, a Democrat who co-chairs the influential ‘Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission’ – named after Jewish Rep. Tom Lantos (d. 2008).

    God help us, that Jew jerk Lantos is still screwing over America.

    Wonder how many Palestinians he is responsible for murdering?

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Can you stand it Art? That awful (dead) Jew Tom Lantos, still screwing America, has two Mormon daughters (his only children), a Mormon convert widow and 18 Mormon grandchildren. There could be a Lantos family production of that marvellous musical send-up "The Book of Mormon".
  23. @Anonymous
    Q: Who is guilty of lying, Nekrasov or Browder?

    A: Which one is the Jew?

    Are you just idly polluting UR with your prejudices or do you have some faintly relevant information?

    The Browders who are descended from (non-Jewish) Communist Earl Browder seem to have good mathematical brains which may be inherited from Earl Browder’s Russian Jewish wife. But it appears the Jewishness ended with her. The younger Bill Browder (who has a mathematician uncle also called Bill) is the son of mathematician Felix who doesn’t appear to have married a Jew. Over to you to research Nekrasov. Will your brain suffer spasms or paraysis if you find that neither of them are Jews.

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    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
    According to Israel Shamir, both Browder himself and the Jewish community consider him to be Jewish. http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-good-fortune-of-mr-browder/
    , @peterike

    The Browders who are descended from (non-Jewish) Communist Earl Browder seem to have good mathematical brains which may be inherited from Earl Browder’s Russian Jewish wife. But it appears the Jewishness ended with her.

     

    Oh, one Russian Jew in the lineage is quite enough to poison the well for several generations.
  24. @Philip Giraldi
    Thanks. The latest neocon line is to use Brexit as an excuse to (a) blame Putin even more (b) expand NATO. Today's Washington Post had an editorial demanding that NATO be strengthened to ward off the enhanced Russian threat now that Britain will be leaving the EU.

    … and yet Putin counseled Britain to say with the E.U. Hey, that’s why he did it, smart but evil fella that “baby killer” Albright claims he is: he knew they hate him so much, they’ll do the opposite of anything he advises!

    Never thought I’d be defending a Russian leader against Pravda-style leaden dissembling, redolent of late Soviet mendacity, in American media, of all places. But I guess that somewhere along the line, after Solzhenitsyn ended his exile, the threat of godless Soviet communism was replaced by our own homegrown godless Americanism!

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  25. A famous quote springs to mind:
    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American people believe is false.” CIA director William Casey (CIA director, 1981-1987)

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    Carroll,

    If this is an accurate quote, and I assume that it is,....what is the point of it?

    I mean what goals should the CIA have ?

    Shouldn't OUR CIA be doing everything in its power, (like every other government agency which we employ) to shore up the health ,wealth and security of our nation.?

    Every action it takes, clandestine or otherwise, should be designed to ensure the safety, freedom , and prosperity of our nation and its citizens .

    Period.

    End of story.

    If they are not doing that....Fire the bums.
  26. @Wizard of Oz
    Are you just idly polluting UR with your prejudices or do you have some faintly relevant information?

    The Browders who are descended from (non-Jewish) Communist Earl Browder seem to have good mathematical brains which may be inherited from Earl Browder's Russian Jewish wife. But it appears the Jewishness ended with her. The younger Bill Browder (who has a mathematician uncle also called Bill) is the son of mathematician Felix who doesn't appear to have married a Jew. Over to you to research Nekrasov. Will your brain suffer spasms or paraysis if you find that neither of them are Jews.

    According to Israel Shamir, both Browder himself and the Jewish community consider him to be Jewish. http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-good-fortune-of-mr-browder/

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    Well I've done a search for something more reliable than Israel Shamir and, apart from the one use of "Jewish" applied to him in Jewish Chronicle online I can't see any evidence. Of course there were times when it might well have suited him to be regarded as Jewish in his dealings with Russia, by the Kremlin, other oligarchs and by Americans like Larry Summers. And Jewish media and organisations frequently seem to like claiming distinguished or merely rich or powerful people as Jews. I would, in any event, be reluctant to class him as amongst the Jews what anti-Semites (and some Jews) would regard as "typically Jewish". A bit like Disraeli I guess.

    I suppose he might have had some Jewish cousins in Russia who could be helpful.....
  27. @Carroll Price
    A famous quote springs to mind:
    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American people believe is false.” CIA director William Casey (CIA director, 1981-1987)

    Carroll,

    If this is an accurate quote, and I assume that it is,….what is the point of it?

    I mean what goals should the CIA have ?

    Shouldn’t OUR CIA be doing everything in its power, (like every other government agency which we employ) to shore up the health ,wealth and security of our nation.?

    Every action it takes, clandestine or otherwise, should be designed to ensure the safety, freedom , and prosperity of our nation and its citizens .

    Period.

    End of story.

    If they are not doing that….Fire the bums.

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  28. After extensive research, my suspicions were confirmed by none other than Anna Servattaz herself. Who in the below article, How To Be a Jew In France, reveals her hateful ethnic roots by taking a vicious stab at Marina Le Pen, whom she apparently considers an enemy of the Chosen. https://groups.google.com/d/topic/blissnotes/NYwSsTPzyCw

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    It seems like she blames Marina for the fact that Algerians don't like Jews.
  29. @Philip Giraldi
    According to Israel Shamir, both Browder himself and the Jewish community consider him to be Jewish. http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-good-fortune-of-mr-browder/

    Well I’ve done a search for something more reliable than Israel Shamir and, apart from the one use of “Jewish” applied to him in Jewish Chronicle online I can’t see any evidence. Of course there were times when it might well have suited him to be regarded as Jewish in his dealings with Russia, by the Kremlin, other oligarchs and by Americans like Larry Summers. And Jewish media and organisations frequently seem to like claiming distinguished or merely rich or powerful people as Jews. I would, in any event, be reluctant to class him as amongst the Jews what anti-Semites (and some Jews) would regard as “typically Jewish”. A bit like Disraeli I guess.

    I suppose he might have had some Jewish cousins in Russia who could be helpful…..

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    @Wizard of Oz

    Don't be ridiculous, Bill Browder is Jewish and has always strongly identified as such. He has a mezuzah on his office door and only hires Jewish employees. I knew him personally back in the 90s and 00s.
    , @helena
    "as amongst the Jews what anti-Semites (and some Jews) would regard as “typically Jewish”."

    Don't be ridiculous. Jewish people define themselves as an ethnic group. The fact that the ethnic group has considerably admixed is not the fault of those who merely observe that fact.
  30. @Art

    Last year, it awarded the honor on Israel-First Rep. Jim McGovern. Jim McGovern, a Democrat who co-chairs the influential ‘Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission’ – named after Jewish Rep. Tom Lantos (d. 2008).
     
    God help us, that Jew jerk Lantos is still screwing over America.

    Wonder how many Palestinians he is responsible for murdering?

    Can you stand it Art? That awful (dead) Jew Tom Lantos, still screwing America, has two Mormon daughters (his only children), a Mormon convert widow and 18 Mormon grandchildren. There could be a Lantos family production of that marvellous musical send-up “The Book of Mormon”.

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    Tom Lantos was a loser
    , @Art
    That awful (dead) Jew Tom Lantos, still screwing America, has two Mormon daughters (his only children), a Mormon convert widow and 18 Mormon grandchildren.

    Gee Wiz --- you forgot to mention how many Palestinian women and children are dead because of Lantos - you must be an anti-Semite - Art
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    Isn't Tom Lantos that guy who never passed up an opportunity to remind everyone that he was a "Holocaust survivor"?
    , @KA
    From Asia Times Sept 10 ,2003. By R . Maitra " Palestinian Pay for India's Ambition"--

    Tom Lantos summarized the binding issue of the evening thus ," We are bound together by mindless vicious ,fanatic,Islamic terrprism"
    Congremmen Ackerman said that Israel was " surrounded by 120 millions Muslims while " India has 120 million Muslims"
    in the first ever Joint Capitol Hill forum that was held on July 16 between US Indian Political Action Committee ,the American Jewish Committee ,and AIPAC.

    Tom Lntos hatred filled foul language against Chirac and Schreder because their failure to support Iraq war 2003 ,his silence on Israeli massacre of Gazan or attack on Lebanon
    only prove that the DNA doesn't fail even when your loved one offer a different world views .
    Lantos can't hide behind Mormon. His heart s trumped the human right and conscience everytime Israel became an issue
  31. @Wizard of Oz
    Can you stand it Art? That awful (dead) Jew Tom Lantos, still screwing America, has two Mormon daughters (his only children), a Mormon convert widow and 18 Mormon grandchildren. There could be a Lantos family production of that marvellous musical send-up "The Book of Mormon".

    Tom Lantos was a loser

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  32. I still don’t get what the cute girl in the pic is all about? She doesn’t look Jewish or anything. Is she supposed to represent Global Capitalism or the West? Is this Philip experimenting with some avant garde approach to articles? What’s the deal?

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    I still don’t get what the cute girl in the pic is all about? She doesn’t look Jewish or anything.

     

    That cute girl is Elena Servettaz who edited the book, the cover of which is behind her.

    Here's a lot more photos of her for your viewing pleasure. Including one with her and Crazy John McCain, which probably tells you all you need to know.

    http://magnitskybook.com/?page_id=29
    , @Carroll Price
    Without going into a lot of unnecessary detail, Elena Servettaz is a Russian Jew who serves basically the same role in the international journalistic world as Pamela Gellar serves in the right-wing talk-show host/U-tube world based in Jew York City.
    http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/Elena_Servettaz
    , @flankerbandit
    You think this harpy is cute???

    Well, maybe in a kind of Shylockian way...
  33. @Wizard of Oz
    Are you just idly polluting UR with your prejudices or do you have some faintly relevant information?

    The Browders who are descended from (non-Jewish) Communist Earl Browder seem to have good mathematical brains which may be inherited from Earl Browder's Russian Jewish wife. But it appears the Jewishness ended with her. The younger Bill Browder (who has a mathematician uncle also called Bill) is the son of mathematician Felix who doesn't appear to have married a Jew. Over to you to research Nekrasov. Will your brain suffer spasms or paraysis if you find that neither of them are Jews.

    The Browders who are descended from (non-Jewish) Communist Earl Browder seem to have good mathematical brains which may be inherited from Earl Browder’s Russian Jewish wife. But it appears the Jewishness ended with her.

    Oh, one Russian Jew in the lineage is quite enough to poison the well for several generations.

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  34. @Greasy William
    I still don't get what the cute girl in the pic is all about? She doesn't look Jewish or anything. Is she supposed to represent Global Capitalism or the West? Is this Philip experimenting with some avant garde approach to articles? What's the deal?

    I still don’t get what the cute girl in the pic is all about? She doesn’t look Jewish or anything.

    That cute girl is Elena Servettaz who edited the book, the cover of which is behind her.

    Here’s a lot more photos of her for your viewing pleasure. Including one with her and Crazy John McCain, which probably tells you all you need to know.

    http://magnitskybook.com/?page_id=29

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  35. @Greasy William
    I still don't get what the cute girl in the pic is all about? She doesn't look Jewish or anything. Is she supposed to represent Global Capitalism or the West? Is this Philip experimenting with some avant garde approach to articles? What's the deal?

    Without going into a lot of unnecessary detail, Elena Servettaz is a Russian Jew who serves basically the same role in the international journalistic world as Pamela Gellar serves in the right-wing talk-show host/U-tube world based in Jew York City.

    http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/Elena_Servettaz

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  36. She looks pretty Russian to me. There are self hating Russians, ya know. Her wiki doesn’t say she’s Jewish.

    You guys think everybody you don’t like is a Jew.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    See my earlier post at #35.

    https://groups.google.com/d/topic/blissnotes/NYwSsTPzyCw
    , @peterike

    You guys think everybody you don’t like is a Jew.

     

    Completely untrue. It just turns out about 90% of the time that they are.
  37. @Quartermaster
    Putin is the man rattle the nuclear sabers, not the west. The west has called Putin on his neo-Tsarist activities and he's responded with a threat of nuclear war.

    No one in the west has to do a thing to destroy Russia. Putin is doing a very good job all by his lonesome. He learned his lessons well while at the KGB.

    “Putin is the man rattle the nuclear sabers, not the west. The West has called Putin on his neo-Tsarist activities and he’s responded with a threat of nuclear war.”

    Huh? Say what?

    You’ve got it ass-backwards, lad. The U.S. Government and its puppet NATO are the biggest warmongers on the planet, not to mention a certain pantsuited shrew who’s running for President. . . .

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  38. @Wizard of Oz
    Can you stand it Art? That awful (dead) Jew Tom Lantos, still screwing America, has two Mormon daughters (his only children), a Mormon convert widow and 18 Mormon grandchildren. There could be a Lantos family production of that marvellous musical send-up "The Book of Mormon".

    That awful (dead) Jew Tom Lantos, still screwing America, has two Mormon daughters (his only children), a Mormon convert widow and 18 Mormon grandchildren.

    Gee Wiz — you forgot to mention how many Palestinian women and children are dead because of Lantos – you must be an anti-Semite – Art

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  39. @Wizard of Oz
    Well I've done a search for something more reliable than Israel Shamir and, apart from the one use of "Jewish" applied to him in Jewish Chronicle online I can't see any evidence. Of course there were times when it might well have suited him to be regarded as Jewish in his dealings with Russia, by the Kremlin, other oligarchs and by Americans like Larry Summers. And Jewish media and organisations frequently seem to like claiming distinguished or merely rich or powerful people as Jews. I would, in any event, be reluctant to class him as amongst the Jews what anti-Semites (and some Jews) would regard as "typically Jewish". A bit like Disraeli I guess.

    I suppose he might have had some Jewish cousins in Russia who could be helpful.....

    Don’t be ridiculous, Bill Browder is Jewish and has always strongly identified as such. He has a mezuzah on his office door and only hires Jewish employees. I knew him personally back in the 90s and 00s.

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    That sounds like genuine testimony though I wonder (as a peripheral question) whether he has done what it takes to become Jewish according to the Iraeli religious gatekeepers or even engages in enough observance to be regarded as authentically Reform or Liberal Jewish.

    I might hatbour a suspicion if I was a Jew, at least an Orthodox Jew, that his Judaism is basically opportunistic for the business advantages. Do you know?

    I have a Jewish born friend who is now worldwide head of a well known Jewish founded company whose children with a Jewish mother went to C of E schools with young relations of mine and who has a second wife who converted to Judaism! Shades of the Rhineland 2000 years ago?? His children turn up from time to time at Friday night's dinner open house though at least one brings his non-Jewish wife. (In contrast a very nice Jewish woman I know from her work in an Arts charity says her sons wouldn't be welcome at Shabat dinner if they had married out!)

    Some non-identifying friends with Jewish mothers (and even fathers) are decidedly not supporters of Israel, indeed one lawyer belongs to the prosecute-Kissinger as a war criminal persuasion who has a similar attitude to the Wall.

    So, I shall be interested in more nuance while accepting your comment as a very good start. Not that I am all that interested!!☺
  40. @Greasy William
    She looks pretty Russian to me. There are self hating Russians, ya know. Her wiki doesn't say she's Jewish.

    You guys think everybody you don't like is a Jew.
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  41. @Boris N
    It's a pity that doublespeak and doublethink rule the world. Every time you read something you now must decipher.

    "Foreign non-governmental pro-democracy groups" means absolutely different things than it is stated. We must read "foreign" as "American", "non-governmental" as "uncontroled by the Russian government, but sponsored by the US government", and "pro-democracy" as "pro-US".

    There is nothing democratic in these groups. Everything they say is a lie. They do not want at all democracy for Russians. Because if there were democracy in Russia, then Browder and other foreign carpetbaggers were shot dead by popular vote. Or at least they could never come to Russia and rob it as they have been doing. And they all know it. They do not want freedom and human right for Russians. By "freedom" these groups understand the freedom for THEM and THEIR friends, and by "human right" they understand the rights for THEM and THEIR friends.

    But the real problem is the Russian government do not want good for Russians as well. This entire conflict is between the native colonial administration and the foreign carpetbaggers. And the main point is who'll get the cash, either Browder and his friends or some unknown Russian oligarchs and corrupt officials. But both the results are bad for Russians.

    I agree with you wholeheartedly, Boris, with the comments you made on democracy in Russia, as well as the role the foreign (US) carpetbaggers had played in Russian society.
    However, you failed to mention Russian President Vladimir Putin, who had succeeded the drunken, incompetent Boris Yeltsin, who had been installed by the Jewish Oligarchs, who were – during his Presidency – looting the Russian Treasury and bleeding the nation dry. It was Putin who salvaged the Russian economy by imprisoning and/or exiling these Oligarchs and seizing all of their assets. He also restored Orthodox Christianity in Russia after 70 years of it being underground under Bolshevik Communism. The magnificent Cathedral of Christ the Redeemer, which had been built in the 19th Century, then demolished by Lazar Kaganovich under Josef Stalin’s orders, was restored (rebuilt) after Yeltsin became President in the 1990′s.
    Democracy also came to Russia under Putin, along with the revival of Orthodox Christianity. As a result, the Russian people are experiencing more freedom than people are in Western countries, including the US. In a way, these two nations – Russia and the US – have switched ideologies. Even as I type this reply, Boris, Christianity in the US has just come under attack by the Federal Courts which, btw, is a gross violation of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution, which guarantees, along with freedoms of speech, press and peaceable assemply, freedom of religion.

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    A friend who ran a very big charity funded by Khodorkovsky told me that he is not Jewish but Russian Orthodox and, indeed, his mother Marins seems to be Orthodox Christian, so why would the Jerusalem Post online refer to him as Jewish?

    Did he convert?

    I guess its just that, on balance, any group likes to claim the rich unless they are too disreputable.

    A related question is whether people with Jewish fathers, like K, got into the habit of associating with others who were at least part Jewish because of the viciousness or at least weight of anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union. After all one can get an idea of what it was like from the mad snti-Semitism in UR comments where even Rupert Murdoch can be called Jewish out of spite and envy even though he doesn't have a drop of known Jewish ancestry - pure Anglo-Celt it seems in case some twisted mind picks on that "known".

    , @Boris N
    You just reproduce the idealized image (either good or bad) of Putin that has been created by the propaganda machine from both the sides during the past 15 years. As I said above, Putin is hardly a threat to the oligarchs. Putin hardly persecute any oligarch. There are up to 100 Russian billionaires, and some thousands of millionaires, but only Khodorkovsky, Lebedev and maybe a couple of others were really imprisoned. No any other oligarchs have been persecuted. Never the privatisation of the 1990s was questioned. Never the legacy of Yeltsin was questioned, rather he is a "hero", an entire Yeltsin museum has been built. The very same oligarchs from the 1990s, except for maybe some outcasts, are continuing to loot and rob Russian wealth. They buy entire castles somewhere in England or France, they buy enormous luxury yachts, they have bought a great deal of the London luxury realty, etc., etc. They roll in money, Russian money. The only reason the average Russians still live decent is the enormous size of the Russian wealth, that even scraps are enough for the entire nation to live.

    And I'm not that religious, I do not think that the renaissance of religiosity in Russia is any good, I rather agree with (a rare case) the Marx's opinion about "opium for the people". It just makes Russian people stupid, superstitious and easy to manipulate. We live in the 21th century, we do not need 2000-year old fairy tales to be good. Anyway, I have a great respect for the PAST Russian Christian tradition, I think it is an important part of the Russian culture and mentality, so I'm strongly against any destruction of it.

    However, with both the economics and the culture you seem to present a false dilemma. You imply that the only alternative to Yeltsin and Putin are Kaganovich and Stalin, whereas I strongly believe there are many better alternatives.
  42. @Greasy William
    I still don't get what the cute girl in the pic is all about? She doesn't look Jewish or anything. Is she supposed to represent Global Capitalism or the West? Is this Philip experimenting with some avant garde approach to articles? What's the deal?

    You think this harpy is cute???

    Well, maybe in a kind of Shylockian way…

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  43. @Wizard of Oz
    Well I've done a search for something more reliable than Israel Shamir and, apart from the one use of "Jewish" applied to him in Jewish Chronicle online I can't see any evidence. Of course there were times when it might well have suited him to be regarded as Jewish in his dealings with Russia, by the Kremlin, other oligarchs and by Americans like Larry Summers. And Jewish media and organisations frequently seem to like claiming distinguished or merely rich or powerful people as Jews. I would, in any event, be reluctant to class him as amongst the Jews what anti-Semites (and some Jews) would regard as "typically Jewish". A bit like Disraeli I guess.

    I suppose he might have had some Jewish cousins in Russia who could be helpful.....

    “as amongst the Jews what anti-Semites (and some Jews) would regard as “typically Jewish”.”

    Don’t be ridiculous. Jewish people define themselves as an ethnic group. The fact that the ethnic group has considerably admixed is not the fault of those who merely observe that fact.

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    I am not quite sure what you think you are contradicting. Would you care to elucidate? And perhaps enlarge a bit on your exclusive and inclusive definition of ethnic group and what precisely it means to say Jews (?all) define themselves as such.

    I still suspect that, if I were a rich Jew who had, for example, been a scholar at Groton, or Eton, I might well be asking with a smile whether Browder wasn't best described as a cheque book Jew (my ad hoc coinage) while it suited.....
  44. @Greasy William
    She looks pretty Russian to me. There are self hating Russians, ya know. Her wiki doesn't say she's Jewish.

    You guys think everybody you don't like is a Jew.

    You guys think everybody you don’t like is a Jew.

    Completely untrue. It just turns out about 90% of the time that they are.

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  45. @JL
    @Wizard of Oz

    Don't be ridiculous, Bill Browder is Jewish and has always strongly identified as such. He has a mezuzah on his office door and only hires Jewish employees. I knew him personally back in the 90s and 00s.

    That sounds like genuine testimony though I wonder (as a peripheral question) whether he has done what it takes to become Jewish according to the Iraeli religious gatekeepers or even engages in enough observance to be regarded as authentically Reform or Liberal Jewish.

    I might hatbour a suspicion if I was a Jew, at least an Orthodox Jew, that his Judaism is basically opportunistic for the business advantages. Do you know?

    I have a Jewish born friend who is now worldwide head of a well known Jewish founded company whose children with a Jewish mother went to C of E schools with young relations of mine and who has a second wife who converted to Judaism! Shades of the Rhineland 2000 years ago?? His children turn up from time to time at Friday night’s dinner open house though at least one brings his non-Jewish wife. (In contrast a very nice Jewish woman I know from her work in an Arts charity says her sons wouldn’t be welcome at Shabat dinner if they had married out!)

    Some non-identifying friends with Jewish mothers (and even fathers) are decidedly not supporters of Israel, indeed one lawyer belongs to the prosecute-Kissinger as a war criminal persuasion who has a similar attitude to the Wall.

    So, I shall be interested in more nuance while accepting your comment as a very good start. Not that I am all that interested!!☺

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    @Wizard of Oz

    My relationship with Bill was limited to the sphere of commerce, thankfully, so I never had the chance to see his circumcised penis or listen to him sing Hava Nagila. Perhaps the situation is different where you live, but in the US your definition of being Jewish would make many self-indentifying Jews into goys. Admittedly, Jewish identity is a sticky issue. My guess, though, is that Browder could get Israeli citizenship without a hitch and that the orthodox would also call him one of their own.

    Frankly, I don't understand why you are so hung up on this question and I find the theory that he was pretending to be Jewish rather implausible and far fetched. Bill was the absolute personification of greed (think Gordon Gekko, but too cheap to even buy a decent suit), so I wouldn't put anything by him for a buck or two. Still, if he was pretending, he did a damn good job of it, fooling me and pretty much everyone I knew who worked for, or with, him.
  46. @helena
    "as amongst the Jews what anti-Semites (and some Jews) would regard as “typically Jewish”."

    Don't be ridiculous. Jewish people define themselves as an ethnic group. The fact that the ethnic group has considerably admixed is not the fault of those who merely observe that fact.

    I am not quite sure what you think you are contradicting. Would you care to elucidate? And perhaps enlarge a bit on your exclusive and inclusive definition of ethnic group and what precisely it means to say Jews (?all) define themselves as such.

    I still suspect that, if I were a rich Jew who had, for example, been a scholar at Groton, or Eton, I might well be asking with a smile whether Browder wasn’t best described as a cheque book Jew (my ad hoc coinage) while it suited…..

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    Make of it what you will. A friend of mine standing in the Oz election against the sitting Labor (and Jewish) MP has made a nice point out of pointing to different How to Vote cards handed out to Jews - Greens preferenced last - and to non-Jews because of the Labor-Green deal to exchange preferences. With luck it will defeat both and allow in the Liberal who would be elected easily on a first past the post system which, generally, I deplore.
    , @helena
    "And perhaps enlarge a bit on your exclusive and inclusive definition of ethnic group "

    An ethnic group is a gene pool.
  47. @Wizard of Oz
    I am not quite sure what you think you are contradicting. Would you care to elucidate? And perhaps enlarge a bit on your exclusive and inclusive definition of ethnic group and what precisely it means to say Jews (?all) define themselves as such.

    I still suspect that, if I were a rich Jew who had, for example, been a scholar at Groton, or Eton, I might well be asking with a smile whether Browder wasn't best described as a cheque book Jew (my ad hoc coinage) while it suited.....

    Make of it what you will. A friend of mine standing in the Oz election against the sitting Labor (and Jewish) MP has made a nice point out of pointing to different How to Vote cards handed out to Jews – Greens preferenced last – and to non-Jews because of the Labor-Green deal to exchange preferences. With luck it will defeat both and allow in the Liberal who would be elected easily on a first past the post system which, generally, I deplore.

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  48. @Carroll Price
    After extensive research, my suspicions were confirmed by none other than Anna Servattaz herself. Who in the below article, How To Be a Jew In France, reveals her hateful ethnic roots by taking a vicious stab at Marina Le Pen, whom she apparently considers an enemy of the Chosen. https://groups.google.com/d/topic/blissnotes/NYwSsTPzyCw

    It seems like she blames Marina for the fact that Algerians don’t like Jews.

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    Among other things, Servetazz hates Marina and her dad because both have publicly stated that the holocaust is an obvious fraud. In fact, her dad was recently prosecuted and fined for stating this obvious fact.
  49. @Wizard of Oz
    Can you stand it Art? That awful (dead) Jew Tom Lantos, still screwing America, has two Mormon daughters (his only children), a Mormon convert widow and 18 Mormon grandchildren. There could be a Lantos family production of that marvellous musical send-up "The Book of Mormon".

    Isn’t Tom Lantos that guy who never passed up an opportunity to remind everyone that he was a “Holocaust survivor”?

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    Isn’t Tom Lantos that guy who never passed up an opportunity to remind everyone that he was a “Holocaust survivor”?

    Just like Gee Wiz - Lantos played the Jew card 24/7/365.

  50. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Isn't Tom Lantos that guy who never passed up an opportunity to remind everyone that he was a "Holocaust survivor"?

    Isn’t Tom Lantos that guy who never passed up an opportunity to remind everyone that he was a “Holocaust survivor”?

    Just like Gee Wiz – Lantos played the Jew card 24/7/365.

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  51. @Wizard of Oz
    Can you stand it Art? That awful (dead) Jew Tom Lantos, still screwing America, has two Mormon daughters (his only children), a Mormon convert widow and 18 Mormon grandchildren. There could be a Lantos family production of that marvellous musical send-up "The Book of Mormon".

    From Asia Times Sept 10 ,2003. By R . Maitra ” Palestinian Pay for India’s Ambition”–

    Tom Lantos summarized the binding issue of the evening thus ,” We are bound together by mindless vicious ,fanatic,Islamic terrprism”
    Congremmen Ackerman said that Israel was ” surrounded by 120 millions Muslims while ” India has 120 million Muslims”
    in the first ever Joint Capitol Hill forum that was held on July 16 between US Indian Political Action Committee ,the American Jewish Committee ,and AIPAC.

    Tom Lntos hatred filled foul language against Chirac and Schreder because their failure to support Iraq war 2003 ,his silence on Israeli massacre of Gazan or attack on Lebanon
    only prove that the DNA doesn’t fail even when your loved one offer a different world views .
    Lantos can’t hide behind Mormon. His heart s trumped the human right and conscience everytime Israel became an issue

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  52. @Greasy William
    It seems like she blames Marina for the fact that Algerians don't like Jews.

    Among other things, Servetazz hates Marina and her dad because both have publicly stated that the holocaust is an obvious fraud. In fact, her dad was recently prosecuted and fined for stating this obvious fact.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/06/jean-marie-le-pen-fined-again-dismissing-holocaust-detail
  53. @Carroll Price
    Among other things, Servetazz hates Marina and her dad because both have publicly stated that the holocaust is an obvious fraud. In fact, her dad was recently prosecuted and fined for stating this obvious fact.
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  54. @Eileen Kuch
    I agree with you wholeheartedly, Boris, with the comments you made on democracy in Russia, as well as the role the foreign (US) carpetbaggers had played in Russian society.
    However, you failed to mention Russian President Vladimir Putin, who had succeeded the drunken, incompetent Boris Yeltsin, who had been installed by the Jewish Oligarchs, who were - during his Presidency - looting the Russian Treasury and bleeding the nation dry. It was Putin who salvaged the Russian economy by imprisoning and/or exiling these Oligarchs and seizing all of their assets. He also restored Orthodox Christianity in Russia after 70 years of it being underground under Bolshevik Communism. The magnificent Cathedral of Christ the Redeemer, which had been built in the 19th Century, then demolished by Lazar Kaganovich under Josef Stalin's orders, was restored (rebuilt) after Yeltsin became President in the 1990's.
    Democracy also came to Russia under Putin, along with the revival of Orthodox Christianity. As a result, the Russian people are experiencing more freedom than people are in Western countries, including the US. In a way, these two nations - Russia and the US - have switched ideologies. Even as I type this reply, Boris, Christianity in the US has just come under attack by the Federal Courts which, btw, is a gross violation of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution, which guarantees, along with freedoms of speech, press and peaceable assemply, freedom of religion.

    A friend who ran a very big charity funded by Khodorkovsky told me that he is not Jewish but Russian Orthodox and, indeed, his mother Marins seems to be Orthodox Christian, so why would the Jerusalem Post online refer to him as Jewish?

    Did he convert?

    I guess its just that, on balance, any group likes to claim the rich unless they are too disreputable.

    A related question is whether people with Jewish fathers, like K, got into the habit of associating with others who were at least part Jewish because of the viciousness or at least weight of anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union. After all one can get an idea of what it was like from the mad snti-Semitism in UR comments where even Rupert Murdoch can be called Jewish out of spite and envy even though he doesn’t have a drop of known Jewish ancestry – pure Anglo-Celt it seems in case some twisted mind picks on that “known”.

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    Oh, this would be your Ukropithecan friend, nutty Wiz, no doubt. One can imagine what sort of "charity" he was running and Moishe Khodorkovsky was funding.
    , @bunga
    An atheist could be a Jeiwsh guy .That is in addition to the myriad unrecognizable to one another branches of JUDAISM . This is a complex issue and can confound rest. I understand it this way -it is like the puzzling color shape height and ritual based differences of human races that confuse the non human beings of the animal kingdom . The space between the two is unbridgeable and the relation is often exploitative .

    We may wonder at the differences of ethnic religious political sexual ,ideological economic geographical differences among various Jewish leaders ,rabbis,scholars and philanthropist but when the animal like us question the purpose scrutinize the behaviors,point to the inconsistencies,try to roll back influences,expose the illegal behaviors,and bring attention to distortions of the realities, we get ridiculed silences punished and also be told that this guy or that guy was not Jewish because he is gay,or he hates going to Synagogues or he exposed the dark money of Sheldon ,or he is married to a Catholic or Hindu or he has converted to Buddhism . It is like the cow anticipating a different fate after being sounded on the ethnic differences of the purchaser ( in vegan hand the cow still be exploited)
    We human also fall for additional brainwashing like Israelis love us ( re India, or USA-Australia ) what has Arab done for us . We often narrate the personal experiences of how the Jewish boss was so genteel and good with me or how Israelis set up tents in Haiti after earthquake and ignore the universal pictures that emanate from historical and political Judiasim
    This resultant psychological tapestry of inconsistencies and paradoxes of people among us create block This what possibly happened in the mind of those western leaders like Truman,Roosevelt,Churchill and later among the church leaders,academics and labor movements and is happening now among the Saudi and Gulf royals . They were offered the individual honesty,pragmatism,scholarly activities,insight,insider knowledge,money of Jewish leaders In exchange those gentiles opened the one way door of the higher echelon of the power to the entire tribe and to every field without monitoring or vetting or processing .
  55. @Wizard of Oz
    That sounds like genuine testimony though I wonder (as a peripheral question) whether he has done what it takes to become Jewish according to the Iraeli religious gatekeepers or even engages in enough observance to be regarded as authentically Reform or Liberal Jewish.

    I might hatbour a suspicion if I was a Jew, at least an Orthodox Jew, that his Judaism is basically opportunistic for the business advantages. Do you know?

    I have a Jewish born friend who is now worldwide head of a well known Jewish founded company whose children with a Jewish mother went to C of E schools with young relations of mine and who has a second wife who converted to Judaism! Shades of the Rhineland 2000 years ago?? His children turn up from time to time at Friday night's dinner open house though at least one brings his non-Jewish wife. (In contrast a very nice Jewish woman I know from her work in an Arts charity says her sons wouldn't be welcome at Shabat dinner if they had married out!)

    Some non-identifying friends with Jewish mothers (and even fathers) are decidedly not supporters of Israel, indeed one lawyer belongs to the prosecute-Kissinger as a war criminal persuasion who has a similar attitude to the Wall.

    So, I shall be interested in more nuance while accepting your comment as a very good start. Not that I am all that interested!!☺

    My relationship with Bill was limited to the sphere of commerce, thankfully, so I never had the chance to see his circumcised penis or listen to him sing Hava Nagila. Perhaps the situation is different where you live, but in the US your definition of being Jewish would make many self-indentifying Jews into goys. Admittedly, Jewish identity is a sticky issue. My guess, though, is that Browder could get Israeli citizenship without a hitch and that the orthodox would also call him one of their own.

    Frankly, I don’t understand why you are so hung up on this question and I find the theory that he was pretending to be Jewish rather implausible and far fetched. Bill was the absolute personification of greed (think Gordon Gekko, but too cheap to even buy a decent suit), so I wouldn’t put anything by him for a buck or two. Still, if he was pretending, he did a damn good job of it, fooling me and pretty much everyone I knew who worked for, or with, him.

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  56. FYI, in Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union, “Jewish” is a nationality and completely divorced from any religious connotation. As such, it is not at all unusual for Jews to be practicing Russian Orthodox.

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    FYI, in Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union, “Jewish” is a nationality and completely divorced from any religious connotation. As such, it is not at all unusual for Jews to be practicing Russian Orthodox.
     
    JL,


    This makes much sense - a Jew is an ethnic national identity - regardless of religious affiliation.

    We should use this in America.

    Thanks -- Art
    , @Immigrant from former USSR
    Well-known example is great Russian poet and writer,
    Nobel Prize in Literature winner,
    Boris Leonidovich Pasternak,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Pasternak
    Genetically he was 100% Jewish. He became
    (and stayed util his death) very deeply Russian Orthodox Christian.
    Среди стихотворений Юрия Живаго, венчающих роман Пастернака, есть одно, о котором бы хотелось сейчас поговорить. Это – «Рождественская звезда». Вот оно.
    Стояла зима.
    Дул ветер из степи.
    И холодно было младенцу в вертепе
    На склоне холма.
    Его согревало дыханье вола,
    Домашние звери
    Стояли в пещере,
    Над яслями теплая дымка плыла. [...]
  57. @Wizard of Oz
    A friend who ran a very big charity funded by Khodorkovsky told me that he is not Jewish but Russian Orthodox and, indeed, his mother Marins seems to be Orthodox Christian, so why would the Jerusalem Post online refer to him as Jewish?

    Did he convert?

    I guess its just that, on balance, any group likes to claim the rich unless they are too disreputable.

    A related question is whether people with Jewish fathers, like K, got into the habit of associating with others who were at least part Jewish because of the viciousness or at least weight of anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union. After all one can get an idea of what it was like from the mad snti-Semitism in UR comments where even Rupert Murdoch can be called Jewish out of spite and envy even though he doesn't have a drop of known Jewish ancestry - pure Anglo-Celt it seems in case some twisted mind picks on that "known".

    Oh, this would be your Ukropithecan friend, nutty Wiz, no doubt. One can imagine what sort of “charity” he was running and Moishe Khodorkovsky was funding.

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  58. @Wizard of Oz
    I am not quite sure what you think you are contradicting. Would you care to elucidate? And perhaps enlarge a bit on your exclusive and inclusive definition of ethnic group and what precisely it means to say Jews (?all) define themselves as such.

    I still suspect that, if I were a rich Jew who had, for example, been a scholar at Groton, or Eton, I might well be asking with a smile whether Browder wasn't best described as a cheque book Jew (my ad hoc coinage) while it suited.....

    “And perhaps enlarge a bit on your exclusive and inclusive definition of ethnic group ”

    An ethnic group is a gene pool.

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  59. @Wizard of Oz
    A friend who ran a very big charity funded by Khodorkovsky told me that he is not Jewish but Russian Orthodox and, indeed, his mother Marins seems to be Orthodox Christian, so why would the Jerusalem Post online refer to him as Jewish?

    Did he convert?

    I guess its just that, on balance, any group likes to claim the rich unless they are too disreputable.

    A related question is whether people with Jewish fathers, like K, got into the habit of associating with others who were at least part Jewish because of the viciousness or at least weight of anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union. After all one can get an idea of what it was like from the mad snti-Semitism in UR comments where even Rupert Murdoch can be called Jewish out of spite and envy even though he doesn't have a drop of known Jewish ancestry - pure Anglo-Celt it seems in case some twisted mind picks on that "known".

    An atheist could be a Jeiwsh guy .That is in addition to the myriad unrecognizable to one another branches of JUDAISM . This is a complex issue and can confound rest. I understand it this way -it is like the puzzling color shape height and ritual based differences of human races that confuse the non human beings of the animal kingdom . The space between the two is unbridgeable and the relation is often exploitative .

    We may wonder at the differences of ethnic religious political sexual ,ideological economic geographical differences among various Jewish leaders ,rabbis,scholars and philanthropist but when the animal like us question the purpose scrutinize the behaviors,point to the inconsistencies,try to roll back influences,expose the illegal behaviors,and bring attention to distortions of the realities, we get ridiculed silences punished and also be told that this guy or that guy was not Jewish because he is gay,or he hates going to Synagogues or he exposed the dark money of Sheldon ,or he is married to a Catholic or Hindu or he has converted to Buddhism . It is like the cow anticipating a different fate after being sounded on the ethnic differences of the purchaser ( in vegan hand the cow still be exploited)
    We human also fall for additional brainwashing like Israelis love us ( re India, or USA-Australia ) what has Arab done for us . We often narrate the personal experiences of how the Jewish boss was so genteel and good with me or how Israelis set up tents in Haiti after earthquake and ignore the universal pictures that emanate from historical and political Judiasim
    This resultant psychological tapestry of inconsistencies and paradoxes of people among us create block This what possibly happened in the mind of those western leaders like Truman,Roosevelt,Churchill and later among the church leaders,academics and labor movements and is happening now among the Saudi and Gulf royals . They were offered the individual honesty,pragmatism,scholarly activities,insight,insider knowledge,money of Jewish leaders In exchange those gentiles opened the one way door of the higher echelon of the power to the entire tribe and to every field without monitoring or vetting or processing .

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  60. @Rurik
    Hello Boris,

    But the real problem is the Russian government do not want good for Russians as well.
     
    in your opinion, is the Putin government just as corrupt as the Zio-West?

    from here in the (dying and looted) West, it looks like Russia's middle class is ascendant, while ours is being systematically murdered off

    personally, for me, what it feels like is that the worst elements in the population that were in Russia (and Eastern Europe) during the 20th century have now emigrated over to the West. And that just as Russia and Eastern Europe suffered unimaginable horrors during the last century, under cruel and sadistic Bolsheviks (and the Cheka and NKVD), they are now over here, fomenting genocide and looting the place blind.

    It's as if when Putin came to power, the Fiend slithered over the Berlin wall into the West, where it now molders in the assorted banking houses and think tanks plotting its next iniquitous atrocity, whether financial or military or social/cultural.

    That's how it seems to me anyways.


    (thank you PG for your superlative and informative articles. They're very much appreciated)

    in your opinion, is the Putin government just as corrupt as the Zio-West?

    Yes, absolutely. It is not just my mere assumption, and it is not a conspiracy either, but clear open facts that anybody can see if one wants to see. It is not “as corrupt as”, it IS controled by the West. We must not be deceived by the trickery red herring play of the official Kremlin (I do not like the cliche “Kremlin propaganda”, but this is exactly it; unfortunately the Western MSM use this term for absolutely different things; the Western MSM play in the same duo, by the way).

    Who is Putin and where has he come from in the first place? Apart from that he is a former KGB officer, and, as they say, “there aren’t former KGB officers” (and this is important as a great deal of Russian oligarchs came from that organization), he has not come from anywhere and suddenly but fairly won the presidential campaign in 2000. During the 1990s he was moving around in the Russian oligarchic and Kremlin circles, in fact he once was the right hand of the first mayor of St.-Petersburg Sobchak, which in turn was a friend of Yeltsin. You think Putin is different, but he is the same, he is from the same circles, you has been tricked by the made-up image of Putin, a fiend for oligarchs and a friend of people, whereas he is, in fact, a friend of oligarchs, literally.

    Then, what is more important. Even if we know little about Putin’s life in the 1990s (everything is deliberately hidden), we know, hey, the entire world knows, how Putin has come to power. Putin was a protege of Yeltsin, and this Yeltsin’s protectionism was not hidden, but absolutely public and official. Putin is the successor of Yeltsin, directly appointed by Yeltsin, a “legacy president” whose main goal is to maintain the status quo from the 1990s. I would rater call him a CEO under the control of the real masters, than an independent leader of the state. How can one at all believe “Putin is not Yeltsin”, when it is contrary to the facts. And again we know which circles Yeltsin represented, and we know that those circles have had close connections with the West if not controled by the West, and here we’ve come to the most interesting part.

    The entire post-Soviet Russian elite (oligarchs and government officials) has come come from the Communist nomenklatura, from the KGB and from the Soviet black market mafia structures (usually run by Jews, Ukrainians and Asiatics like Georgians, Armenians, Azeris and Uzbeks). And everybody of them have had many connections with the West, particularly with London, thousands of Russian oligarchs, higher officials or at least their families live in London, London is a second (true?) capital of Russia.

    So there is no reason, why we must take the Kremlin and the West at face value. Why must we believe there is a conflict of the planetary scale, when there is none.

    Well, I’ve said much enough (I hope MI6 will not find me; joke), but you can dig further yourself, everything is in open, the Russian ruling clique does not much hide itself, you do not need to be a secret agent trying to acquire the secret Kremlin (or rather Westminster?) documents, you just need to know the right directions of your searches. Just don’t allow them to confuse yourself with the information noise, both from the Kremlin and the West. Sift attentively thousands of articles about a good Putin and a bad Putin from both the direction, because their real goal is just to hide the real truth.

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  61. @Rurik
    Hello Boris,

    But the real problem is the Russian government do not want good for Russians as well.
     
    in your opinion, is the Putin government just as corrupt as the Zio-West?

    from here in the (dying and looted) West, it looks like Russia's middle class is ascendant, while ours is being systematically murdered off

    personally, for me, what it feels like is that the worst elements in the population that were in Russia (and Eastern Europe) during the 20th century have now emigrated over to the West. And that just as Russia and Eastern Europe suffered unimaginable horrors during the last century, under cruel and sadistic Bolsheviks (and the Cheka and NKVD), they are now over here, fomenting genocide and looting the place blind.

    It's as if when Putin came to power, the Fiend slithered over the Berlin wall into the West, where it now molders in the assorted banking houses and think tanks plotting its next iniquitous atrocity, whether financial or military or social/cultural.

    That's how it seems to me anyways.


    (thank you PG for your superlative and informative articles. They're very much appreciated)

    from here in the (dying and looted) West, it looks like Russia’s middle class is ascendant, while ours is being systematically murdered off

    As for the Russian middle class. Of course, since 2000 the living standards of Russians have improved greatly. We could argue if it is due magical Putin or high prices of natural resources. But this only if we compare it with the Sovet pitiful existence and the extreme poverty of the 1990s. But Even if Russians have now more money, cars, things and all, Russia outside of Moscow and St.-Petersburg is still and will be for many decades a Second Word country, in many places even a Third World one. I lived in Western Europe and I can tell the difference. This is absolutely another different planet. Every bit there is better than in Russia, so Russia seems quite backward. It is just simply pleasant to live in a First World country. You constantly complain how bad the life in the West is, but you do not understand your luck that you were born or live there.

    And nothing much have changed since the 1990s, if not since the Soviet times. The entire country is still ruled by the former Soviet nomenklature, the oligarchs of the 1990s and Western companies still own and pwn Russia, gigantic bulks of the Russian wealth flow to off-shore havens, the state budget still consist of >60% of the “natural rent”, the high level corruption is flourishing, a great deal of the budget is embezzled by officials. Maybe the reason why the average Russians still live decent lives is Russia’s wealth so immense, that even if half of it is stolen by the upper 5-10%, the remaining half is enough for the well-being of the other 90%. But imagine how well the Russians would live without the robbery by the Kremlin oligarchic clique.

    And don’t take official Russian statistics at face value. The Russian middle class hardly exists. And after 2014 the income of people has been dropping steadily. For the most provincial cities the picture is following (at 70 roubles per USD):

    Lowest 30% earn below $200 per month
    Low Middle 40% – $200-$400
    High Middle 20% – $400-$600
    Upper 5% – $600-$1200
    In Moscow, St.-Petersburg and some northern regions these number are 2 times higher, but they comprise barely 15% of the population.

    And we’re left with 5%, the clique and their servants.

    I can hardly name the people who earns under $400 the “middle class”, and the country where 70% earns below that can hardly be called rich (though it is quite developed, comparing with the Third World). So there are just 5%, max 25%, of the real middle class. And the average pensions are around $200/month, so no less than 40 mln of senior Russians live for that small amount of money, and with constantly rising prices it is very difficult to make both ends meet.

    And the last. You will complain that Europe is being flooded with immigrants, but Russia is a last stronghold. But I’ll tell you what. Russia is on the second place by immigrant population after the USA! And they are coming in. Russia has officially 10 mln and unofficially close to 25 mln of immigrants from Asia. Moscow, in fact, must compete with London by the percentage of Asiatic immigrants. The Muslim population is rising and the Kremlin openly favours Muslims and Muslim immigrants.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    The overall quality of life in any country and in any generation depends on much more than annual income, reflected in the amount of money people have at their disposal. In fact, it's becoming increasingly evident that the more money people have to spend on "toys" and other unnecessary items, leads to major social problems including atomized families, wide-spread drug addiction, high suicide rates, mental problems, obesity, and homelessness. Not to speak of a lowering of moral standards that's simply off the charts - in the wrong direction. It's obvious that rural Americans (in particular) in the 1920s and 30s, although having little money at their disposal, enjoyed a much higher quality of life including extended and close knit families, than the majority of Americans today. I could be mistaken, but I suspect the same would be true for the average Russian today.
    , @Rurik
    Thank you for your reply Boris.

    We all know Putin plays footsie with the oligarchs. We all know he pretends to like Bibi and is a master at realpolitik. But the impression I get is of a man who wrested control of Russia away from the worst of the oligarchs, while playing nice with the rest of them. That's how it looked to us from thousands of miles away in the dying West, and firmly under the Zio/Rothschild boot, that this was/is a great man. A world-class statesman and nationalist who crushed the fanatical terrorists in Chechnya and mollified the moderate ones with reasonable policies, and he returned the resources of Russia back the Russian state.

    Sure there is massive corruption, and other problems, but considering what the Russian people have endured with decades of (Jewish imposed) genocidal commie slavery, and then having it all do a 180 and then being impoverished even worse under the cruel destitution of crony Jewish 'capitalism' that simply handed Russia over to a few Jewish and Russian minions of Rothschild- to lord it over the dying and starving Russian people- for Putin to have turned this around is incomprehensible. It's nothing less than an historic accomplishment of a truly great man. A giant on the world's stage.

    He has, it seems to me, nearly single handedly reined in the drooling, frothing Fiend, ripping to shreds everything it could get its blood dripping teeth on. Libya was the final straw for Putin, and he alone stood up to the beast when all of Europe were counting their shekels and tossing their citizens and their nation's dignity onto the Moloch's pyres of war and slaughter and cowardly appeasement of the Fiend.

    Putin said 'enough!'

    And has stopped them in Syria (for now)

    when everyone else was wringing their hands, Putin showed them all how a man with integrity must act, when faced with a thug and a bully. You stand up to them. Or you cower, and place your fate in their hands, as Gadhafi had done.

    That's sort of how I see it. Yes, he plays ball with some very unsavory types, and corruption is rampant. But he has done something wonderful Boris.. he has given the Russian people back their dignity. They have something today that I don't think they've had for generations.. Hope. A shred of pride at being who and what they are; Russians.

    How do you put a price on that? How do you quantify that kind of thing. Sure, Americans may be able to afford more flat screen TVs, with which to watch their culture and heritage being relentlessly maligned, their identities excoriated as evil, and their culture turned into a sewer. Oh joy. But how do you put a value on giving to your people a quiet sense of personal dignity? Vs. pitting them endlessly against each other with raging identity politics and a race down to the moral abyss of spiritual feculence, writ large.

    That is our lot over here in the West Boris, and the SUVs and flat screen TVs just aren't all that, when you consider the soul and the doomed future of your people.
  62. @Eileen Kuch
    I agree with you wholeheartedly, Boris, with the comments you made on democracy in Russia, as well as the role the foreign (US) carpetbaggers had played in Russian society.
    However, you failed to mention Russian President Vladimir Putin, who had succeeded the drunken, incompetent Boris Yeltsin, who had been installed by the Jewish Oligarchs, who were - during his Presidency - looting the Russian Treasury and bleeding the nation dry. It was Putin who salvaged the Russian economy by imprisoning and/or exiling these Oligarchs and seizing all of their assets. He also restored Orthodox Christianity in Russia after 70 years of it being underground under Bolshevik Communism. The magnificent Cathedral of Christ the Redeemer, which had been built in the 19th Century, then demolished by Lazar Kaganovich under Josef Stalin's orders, was restored (rebuilt) after Yeltsin became President in the 1990's.
    Democracy also came to Russia under Putin, along with the revival of Orthodox Christianity. As a result, the Russian people are experiencing more freedom than people are in Western countries, including the US. In a way, these two nations - Russia and the US - have switched ideologies. Even as I type this reply, Boris, Christianity in the US has just come under attack by the Federal Courts which, btw, is a gross violation of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution, which guarantees, along with freedoms of speech, press and peaceable assemply, freedom of religion.

    You just reproduce the idealized image (either good or bad) of Putin that has been created by the propaganda machine from both the sides during the past 15 years. As I said above, Putin is hardly a threat to the oligarchs. Putin hardly persecute any oligarch. There are up to 100 Russian billionaires, and some thousands of millionaires, but only Khodorkovsky, Lebedev and maybe a couple of others were really imprisoned. No any other oligarchs have been persecuted. Never the privatisation of the 1990s was questioned. Never the legacy of Yeltsin was questioned, rather he is a “hero”, an entire Yeltsin museum has been built. The very same oligarchs from the 1990s, except for maybe some outcasts, are continuing to loot and rob Russian wealth. They buy entire castles somewhere in England or France, they buy enormous luxury yachts, they have bought a great deal of the London luxury realty, etc., etc. They roll in money, Russian money. The only reason the average Russians still live decent is the enormous size of the Russian wealth, that even scraps are enough for the entire nation to live.

    And I’m not that religious, I do not think that the renaissance of religiosity in Russia is any good, I rather agree with (a rare case) the Marx’s opinion about “opium for the people”. It just makes Russian people stupid, superstitious and easy to manipulate. We live in the 21th century, we do not need 2000-year old fairy tales to be good. Anyway, I have a great respect for the PAST Russian Christian tradition, I think it is an important part of the Russian culture and mentality, so I’m strongly against any destruction of it.

    However, with both the economics and the culture you seem to present a false dilemma. You imply that the only alternative to Yeltsin and Putin are Kaganovich and Stalin, whereas I strongly believe there are many better alternatives.

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  63. @Boris N

    from here in the (dying and looted) West, it looks like Russia’s middle class is ascendant, while ours is being systematically murdered off
     
    As for the Russian middle class. Of course, since 2000 the living standards of Russians have improved greatly. We could argue if it is due magical Putin or high prices of natural resources. But this only if we compare it with the Sovet pitiful existence and the extreme poverty of the 1990s. But Even if Russians have now more money, cars, things and all, Russia outside of Moscow and St.-Petersburg is still and will be for many decades a Second Word country, in many places even a Third World one. I lived in Western Europe and I can tell the difference. This is absolutely another different planet. Every bit there is better than in Russia, so Russia seems quite backward. It is just simply pleasant to live in a First World country. You constantly complain how bad the life in the West is, but you do not understand your luck that you were born or live there.

    And nothing much have changed since the 1990s, if not since the Soviet times. The entire country is still ruled by the former Soviet nomenklature, the oligarchs of the 1990s and Western companies still own and pwn Russia, gigantic bulks of the Russian wealth flow to off-shore havens, the state budget still consist of >60% of the "natural rent", the high level corruption is flourishing, a great deal of the budget is embezzled by officials. Maybe the reason why the average Russians still live decent lives is Russia's wealth so immense, that even if half of it is stolen by the upper 5-10%, the remaining half is enough for the well-being of the other 90%. But imagine how well the Russians would live without the robbery by the Kremlin oligarchic clique.

    And don't take official Russian statistics at face value. The Russian middle class hardly exists. And after 2014 the income of people has been dropping steadily. For the most provincial cities the picture is following (at 70 roubles per USD):

    Lowest 30% earn below $200 per month
    Low Middle 40% - $200-$400
    High Middle 20% - $400-$600
    Upper 5% - $600-$1200
    In Moscow, St.-Petersburg and some northern regions these number are 2 times higher, but they comprise barely 15% of the population.

    And we're left with 5%, the clique and their servants.

    I can hardly name the people who earns under $400 the "middle class", and the country where 70% earns below that can hardly be called rich (though it is quite developed, comparing with the Third World). So there are just 5%, max 25%, of the real middle class. And the average pensions are around $200/month, so no less than 40 mln of senior Russians live for that small amount of money, and with constantly rising prices it is very difficult to make both ends meet.

    And the last. You will complain that Europe is being flooded with immigrants, but Russia is a last stronghold. But I'll tell you what. Russia is on the second place by immigrant population after the USA! And they are coming in. Russia has officially 10 mln and unofficially close to 25 mln of immigrants from Asia. Moscow, in fact, must compete with London by the percentage of Asiatic immigrants. The Muslim population is rising and the Kremlin openly favours Muslims and Muslim immigrants.

    The overall quality of life in any country and in any generation depends on much more than annual income, reflected in the amount of money people have at their disposal. In fact, it’s becoming increasingly evident that the more money people have to spend on “toys” and other unnecessary items, leads to major social problems including atomized families, wide-spread drug addiction, high suicide rates, mental problems, obesity, and homelessness. Not to speak of a lowering of moral standards that’s simply off the charts – in the wrong direction. It’s obvious that rural Americans (in particular) in the 1920s and 30s, although having little money at their disposal, enjoyed a much higher quality of life including extended and close knit families, than the majority of Americans today. I could be mistaken, but I suspect the same would be true for the average Russian today.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Yesterday I went to cemetery where grandparents, parents & uncles are buried.
    This cemetery, like many, I guess, puts American flags on graves of war veterans.

    Grandparents died in 1935 and 1937; they're buried in one of the earliest parts of the cemetery. Almost no flags on graves in that entire section -- a major part of the cemetery.

    Parents & uncles/aunts are in somewhat newer part: as you approach that part, the numbers of American flags increase hugely -- clusters of maybe 300 graves, all with American flags, and a couple dozen of those clusters -- as far as the eye can see.

    The tombstones say "World War I," "Korean War," "World War II." I didn't see Viet Nam tombstones, nor any of the Bush wars, but I didn't go into the very newest parts of the cemetery.

    The graphic message of those flags I interpreted as, USA was a lot more peaceful place before USA got into the international war enterprise.

    Also a lot more prosperous place.

    The people buried around my grandparents are the ones who built the town -- laborers dug the ditches for the water systems, and plumbers who laid the pipes; entrepreneurs established the industries that made the town prosperous. There's a whole section for priests and other religious leaders -- the men & women who built the churches & schools in the town. (Now, many of the Catholic & Episcopal schools are closed and many of the public schools that used to be the pride of the entire county are boarded up -- beautiful buildings, rotting in place.)

    If the decline in the town's prosperity were charted in correlation with the increase in the number of flags on veterans' graves, what a story that would tell.
    , @Boris N
    I will strongly disagree. We have a lot of examples all around the world where the lack of money and low living standards lead to the same bad things that you have listed. You do not need to go far, just look at your neighbour countries in Central America, or else you even might go to your own American poor minority (Black or Hispanic) neighbourhood, where the people will strongly disagree with you that their living on $10,000/year gives them a great virtue, like if they have no money to buy "toys" (in fact, first-necessity goods) then they live better "spiritual" lives. When the poor speak about the spirituality of poverty, this usually means a getaway from the harsh reality with the help of self-illusion. When the rich speak about the spirituality of poverty, this usually means they try to cheat the poor.
  64. @JL
    FYI, in Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union, "Jewish" is a nationality and completely divorced from any religious connotation. As such, it is not at all unusual for Jews to be practicing Russian Orthodox.

    FYI, in Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union, “Jewish” is a nationality and completely divorced from any religious connotation. As such, it is not at all unusual for Jews to be practicing Russian Orthodox.

    JL,

    This makes much sense – a Jew is an ethnic national identity – regardless of religious affiliation.

    We should use this in America.

    Thanks — Art

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  65. @Carroll Price
    The overall quality of life in any country and in any generation depends on much more than annual income, reflected in the amount of money people have at their disposal. In fact, it's becoming increasingly evident that the more money people have to spend on "toys" and other unnecessary items, leads to major social problems including atomized families, wide-spread drug addiction, high suicide rates, mental problems, obesity, and homelessness. Not to speak of a lowering of moral standards that's simply off the charts - in the wrong direction. It's obvious that rural Americans (in particular) in the 1920s and 30s, although having little money at their disposal, enjoyed a much higher quality of life including extended and close knit families, than the majority of Americans today. I could be mistaken, but I suspect the same would be true for the average Russian today.

    Yesterday I went to cemetery where grandparents, parents & uncles are buried.
    This cemetery, like many, I guess, puts American flags on graves of war veterans.

    Grandparents died in 1935 and 1937; they’re buried in one of the earliest parts of the cemetery. Almost no flags on graves in that entire section — a major part of the cemetery.

    Parents & uncles/aunts are in somewhat newer part: as you approach that part, the numbers of American flags increase hugely — clusters of maybe 300 graves, all with American flags, and a couple dozen of those clusters — as far as the eye can see.

    The tombstones say “World War I,” “Korean War,” “World War II.” I didn’t see Viet Nam tombstones, nor any of the Bush wars, but I didn’t go into the very newest parts of the cemetery.

    The graphic message of those flags I interpreted as, USA was a lot more peaceful place before USA got into the international war enterprise.

    Also a lot more prosperous place.

    The people buried around my grandparents are the ones who built the town — laborers dug the ditches for the water systems, and plumbers who laid the pipes; entrepreneurs established the industries that made the town prosperous. There’s a whole section for priests and other religious leaders — the men & women who built the churches & schools in the town. (Now, many of the Catholic & Episcopal schools are closed and many of the public schools that used to be the pride of the entire county are boarded up — beautiful buildings, rotting in place.)

    If the decline in the town’s prosperity were charted in correlation with the increase in the number of flags on veterans’ graves, what a story that would tell.

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  66. @Boris N

    from here in the (dying and looted) West, it looks like Russia’s middle class is ascendant, while ours is being systematically murdered off
     
    As for the Russian middle class. Of course, since 2000 the living standards of Russians have improved greatly. We could argue if it is due magical Putin or high prices of natural resources. But this only if we compare it with the Sovet pitiful existence and the extreme poverty of the 1990s. But Even if Russians have now more money, cars, things and all, Russia outside of Moscow and St.-Petersburg is still and will be for many decades a Second Word country, in many places even a Third World one. I lived in Western Europe and I can tell the difference. This is absolutely another different planet. Every bit there is better than in Russia, so Russia seems quite backward. It is just simply pleasant to live in a First World country. You constantly complain how bad the life in the West is, but you do not understand your luck that you were born or live there.

    And nothing much have changed since the 1990s, if not since the Soviet times. The entire country is still ruled by the former Soviet nomenklature, the oligarchs of the 1990s and Western companies still own and pwn Russia, gigantic bulks of the Russian wealth flow to off-shore havens, the state budget still consist of >60% of the "natural rent", the high level corruption is flourishing, a great deal of the budget is embezzled by officials. Maybe the reason why the average Russians still live decent lives is Russia's wealth so immense, that even if half of it is stolen by the upper 5-10%, the remaining half is enough for the well-being of the other 90%. But imagine how well the Russians would live without the robbery by the Kremlin oligarchic clique.

    And don't take official Russian statistics at face value. The Russian middle class hardly exists. And after 2014 the income of people has been dropping steadily. For the most provincial cities the picture is following (at 70 roubles per USD):

    Lowest 30% earn below $200 per month
    Low Middle 40% - $200-$400
    High Middle 20% - $400-$600
    Upper 5% - $600-$1200
    In Moscow, St.-Petersburg and some northern regions these number are 2 times higher, but they comprise barely 15% of the population.

    And we're left with 5%, the clique and their servants.

    I can hardly name the people who earns under $400 the "middle class", and the country where 70% earns below that can hardly be called rich (though it is quite developed, comparing with the Third World). So there are just 5%, max 25%, of the real middle class. And the average pensions are around $200/month, so no less than 40 mln of senior Russians live for that small amount of money, and with constantly rising prices it is very difficult to make both ends meet.

    And the last. You will complain that Europe is being flooded with immigrants, but Russia is a last stronghold. But I'll tell you what. Russia is on the second place by immigrant population after the USA! And they are coming in. Russia has officially 10 mln and unofficially close to 25 mln of immigrants from Asia. Moscow, in fact, must compete with London by the percentage of Asiatic immigrants. The Muslim population is rising and the Kremlin openly favours Muslims and Muslim immigrants.

    Thank you for your reply Boris.

    We all know Putin plays footsie with the oligarchs. We all know he pretends to like Bibi and is a master at realpolitik. But the impression I get is of a man who wrested control of Russia away from the worst of the oligarchs, while playing nice with the rest of them. That’s how it looked to us from thousands of miles away in the dying West, and firmly under the Zio/Rothschild boot, that this was/is a great man. A world-class statesman and nationalist who crushed the fanatical terrorists in Chechnya and mollified the moderate ones with reasonable policies, and he returned the resources of Russia back the Russian state.

    Sure there is massive corruption, and other problems, but considering what the Russian people have endured with decades of (Jewish imposed) genocidal commie slavery, and then having it all do a 180 and then being impoverished even worse under the cruel destitution of crony Jewish ‘capitalism’ that simply handed Russia over to a few Jewish and Russian minions of Rothschild- to lord it over the dying and starving Russian people- for Putin to have turned this around is incomprehensible. It’s nothing less than an historic accomplishment of a truly great man. A giant on the world’s stage.

    He has, it seems to me, nearly single handedly reined in the drooling, frothing Fiend, ripping to shreds everything it could get its blood dripping teeth on. Libya was the final straw for Putin, and he alone stood up to the beast when all of Europe were counting their shekels and tossing their citizens and their nation’s dignity onto the Moloch’s pyres of war and slaughter and cowardly appeasement of the Fiend.

    Putin said ‘enough!’

    And has stopped them in Syria (for now)

    when everyone else was wringing their hands, Putin showed them all how a man with integrity must act, when faced with a thug and a bully. You stand up to them. Or you cower, and place your fate in their hands, as Gadhafi had done.

    That’s sort of how I see it. Yes, he plays ball with some very unsavory types, and corruption is rampant. But he has done something wonderful Boris.. he has given the Russian people back their dignity. They have something today that I don’t think they’ve had for generations.. Hope. A shred of pride at being who and what they are; Russians.

    How do you put a price on that? How do you quantify that kind of thing. Sure, Americans may be able to afford more flat screen TVs, with which to watch their culture and heritage being relentlessly maligned, their identities excoriated as evil, and their culture turned into a sewer. Oh joy. But how do you put a value on giving to your people a quiet sense of personal dignity? Vs. pitting them endlessly against each other with raging identity politics and a race down to the moral abyss of spiritual feculence, writ large.

    That is our lot over here in the West Boris, and the SUVs and flat screen TVs just aren’t all that, when you consider the soul and the doomed future of your people.

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    I can understand why you have a distorted view of Putin and the Russian life. Because Westerners simply lack important sources of information about the reality in Russia, you simply do not live in Russia, do not meet and hear the people everyday, you are not insiders. This is why I always say that the voice for Russia in the Western media (at least in the non-mainstream one, because I have no illusion about the MSM) must be given not to West-based either Russophobes or Russophiles, who practically know nothing, but to middle-aged, middle-class Russians, who love and understand best their own home. But even in such a case we must have many voices because no two Russians have a similar point of view, for example, even if I become one of the voices (I've written quite much here, that many of my comments deserve to become articles on their own, ha-ha) many Russians will agree with me, many will disagree, and many may have totally different third, forth, and so on views. The Russian political spectrum is much diverse, there is no false dichotomy like in the West.

    And from that you all have a problem. You get information about Russia either from the Washington-centric quasi-independent ("independent" in the American political doublespeak always means independent from everyone but Washington) outlets, like NYT, WP, Fox, CNN, you name it, and their view of Russia for the past 90 years is quite predictable if not annoying, and I understand why you do not believe them and interpret everything they say in the opposite way, so you have formed a habit that when they say something is black you understand it as something is white.

    On the other hand you have the Kremlin propaganda state machine like RT who obviously do the same thing as the Washington propaganda machine, but in the opposite direction; or Russophilic individuals (usually emigres with nostalgia), lone wolf voices like the Saker or Karlin, but whose voice anyway is irrelevant and illusional because, as I've said, they are outsiders and know little about the actual Russian life, but they rather might be characterized as positive interpreters of open sources (and neither the sources nor their interpretations ought to be true).

    Also we have local "opposition" outlets either in Russian like the radio station "Ekho Moskvy", the TV station "Dozhd", "Novaya Gazeta" and so on, or in English like "The Moscow Times", but I do not even take them seriously, I consider them as virtually subsidiaries of the Western MSM (though there is one irony that furiously anti-government "Ekho Moskvy" is owned by Gazprom).

    What I wanted to say, that even if many who are not hopelessly brainwashed understand that the demonizing of Russia is a lie, it does not make the opposite view automatically right, and your over-positive opinion is generally illusional. I tried to bring you around, but seemed to fail, though to change anybody's opinion was not my goal, I was just trying to say my opinion, be it right or wrong.

    Maybe our opinions are heavily influenced by our lives, both you and I may have been disappointed by our lives in our respective countries, but you believe that there is somewhere a better land, and it's Russia, while I, in turn, believe the life in the West is better. But there is one distinction. I've been in both the places and I can compare, but I bet if you come to Russia and do not become one of the high-paid Western expats who live luxury lives in Moscow, you'll very soon run off home and your Putinism will fade immediately (though your love to Russia itself may strengthen, as it has been with many Westerners).
  67. @Carroll Price
    The overall quality of life in any country and in any generation depends on much more than annual income, reflected in the amount of money people have at their disposal. In fact, it's becoming increasingly evident that the more money people have to spend on "toys" and other unnecessary items, leads to major social problems including atomized families, wide-spread drug addiction, high suicide rates, mental problems, obesity, and homelessness. Not to speak of a lowering of moral standards that's simply off the charts - in the wrong direction. It's obvious that rural Americans (in particular) in the 1920s and 30s, although having little money at their disposal, enjoyed a much higher quality of life including extended and close knit families, than the majority of Americans today. I could be mistaken, but I suspect the same would be true for the average Russian today.

    I will strongly disagree. We have a lot of examples all around the world where the lack of money and low living standards lead to the same bad things that you have listed. You do not need to go far, just look at your neighbour countries in Central America, or else you even might go to your own American poor minority (Black or Hispanic) neighbourhood, where the people will strongly disagree with you that their living on $10,000/year gives them a great virtue, like if they have no money to buy “toys” (in fact, first-necessity goods) then they live better “spiritual” lives. When the poor speak about the spirituality of poverty, this usually means a getaway from the harsh reality with the help of self-illusion. When the rich speak about the spirituality of poverty, this usually means they try to cheat the poor.

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    Moral always come first, with money being secondary. Of course It takes a certain amount of money for people to live, but in practically every case, the more money immoral people have at their disposal the lower they sink and the sorrier they get. With Hollywood pukes being living examples of what money without morals produces. I'm surprised you haven't figured this out.
  68. We all know he pretends to like Bibi and is a master at realpolitik.

    1. He’s not pretending. There is a reason that Russian nationalists absolutely despise him. He completely betrayed Iran when he refused to sell them the s-300 until they accepted Obama’s deal.

    2. He is extremely conscious of Russian public opinion, and yet still has no problem having publicly good relations with Netanyahu. That tells you all you need to know about how indifferent the Russian people are towards the Palestinians. Contrary to your delusions, Russia is not some sort of alt right paradise as any of the nationalists who actually live in Russia would be quick to tell you.

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    I do not know what sort of Russian nationalists you are speaking about, simply because there are not THE Russian nationalists, but one or two dozens of diffused different small groups with different if not opposite views, who may call themselves or other may call them "Russian nationalists". Not to mention thousands of common non-partisan Russians who may call themselves nationalists as well but as well may have thousands of different personal opinions about the past and the current affairs.

    Among those nationalists I know personally, most of them absolutely do not care about Iran, Israel and Palestine and about the Middle East in general. The interest has only aroused since the Syrian intervention, but the general opinion about it is negative, because many think that the war in Syria is utterly inappropriate, when just at the border there is an ongoing unfinished war with Ukraine. And some nationalists even have a positive view of both Israel and Iran as good examples of national states, of what Russia must become. And unlike many commenters here, most (with some exemptions) are not so much obsessed with Israel and Jews, and they do not care if Putin loves either Israel or Iran, they dislike Putin not for that, but for other mostly internal problems.
  69. He completely betrayed Iran when he refused to sell them the s-300 until they accepted Obama’s deal.

    Jesus Greasy, that the realpolitik I was talking about that you even highlighted in your quote!

    What he doesn’t want is an all out war with the Zio-West!

    2. He is extremely conscious of Russian public opinion, and yet still has no problem having publicly good relations with Netanyahu.

    again, he’s pretending to like Bibi because Bibi is the king of the Jews and therefor the default king of the West today. He’s Rothschild’s number one stooge. Of course Putin has to play nice with him. But be honest Greasy, no one on this planet actually likes Bibi. That’s like saying you like hemorrhoids. You deal with things like hemorrhoids or Bibi, as the case may be, but sure as shit don’t like them.

    Russia is not some sort of alt right paradise as any of the nationalists

    no, certainly not

    but it’s also not a cultural sewer of the Jewish id, that we in the West all have to marinate in, thankyouverymuch.. not

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    Bibi is the king of the Jews
     
    Bibi rules purely by default. He's not the king of anything. Nasrallah knew what he was talking about when he said that Sharon was the last King of Israel.

    Jesus Greasy, that the realpolitik I was talking about that you even highlighted in your quote!
     
    But Putin is democratically elected. The only reason he can engaged in realpolitik in the middle east is because the Russia public doesn't give a rat's ass what happens to the Iranians or Palestinians. The only people in Russia who care about those groups are the nationalists, who, as I have said, hate Putin's guts.
  70. @Rurik

    He completely betrayed Iran when he refused to sell them the s-300 until they accepted Obama’s deal.
     
    Jesus Greasy, that the realpolitik I was talking about that you even highlighted in your quote!

    What he doesn't want is an all out war with the Zio-West!

    2. He is extremely conscious of Russian public opinion, and yet still has no problem having publicly good relations with Netanyahu.
     
    again, he's pretending to like Bibi because Bibi is the king of the Jews and therefor the default king of the West today. He's Rothschild's number one stooge. Of course Putin has to play nice with him. But be honest Greasy, no one on this planet actually likes Bibi. That's like saying you like hemorrhoids. You deal with things like hemorrhoids or Bibi, as the case may be, but sure as shit don't like them.

    Russia is not some sort of alt right paradise as any of the nationalists
     
    no, certainly not

    but it's also not a cultural sewer of the Jewish id, that we in the West all have to marinate in, thankyouverymuch.. not

    Bibi is the king of the Jews

    Bibi rules purely by default. He’s not the king of anything. Nasrallah knew what he was talking about when he said that Sharon was the last King of Israel.

    Jesus Greasy, that the realpolitik I was talking about that you even highlighted in your quote!

    But Putin is democratically elected. The only reason he can engaged in realpolitik in the middle east is because the Russia public doesn’t give a rat’s ass what happens to the Iranians or Palestinians. The only people in Russia who care about those groups are the nationalists, who, as I have said, hate Putin’s guts.

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    The only reason he can engaged in realpolitik in the middle east is because the Russia public doesn’t give a rat’s ass what happens to the Iranians or Palestinians.
     
    I think they do care what happens to Iran, since it's a close trading partner. And the Palestinians are just a distant, tragic people to the Russians. Why should they wring their hands, it isn't them who're foisting the evils upon the Pals, it's us Americans that are doing that.

    The only people in Russia who care about those groups are the nationalists, who, as I have said, hate Putin’s guts.
     
    how many Russian nationalists do you know or speak to who are not Jewish, Greasy?

    From what I understand, the IDF is chock full of Russian émigrés, and their take on things must be skewed by Putin's thwarting of Israel's designs on the Golan.

    here's a forum run by an ultra-Russian nationalist

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/84302

    another

    http://slavija.proboards.com/

    here's the Pravda main forum

    http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/forum/3-main-forum/

    lot's of chafe on that one but you can at least glimmer a nuanced inkling of what the Russian nationalists are on about

    (they love Putin ; )
    , @NoseytheDuke
    I would say that Putin certainly does care about Iran. It doesn't take a genius to know which nations have been declared evil and targeted by the US, they are frequently named by traitorous whores like Hillary, Obuma, Biden etc, along with the treacherous neo-cons who bear responsibility for fomenting wars in the ME.

    Putin is smart enough to know that if any nation sits back and waits its turn to be attacked it will surely be destroyed. He went out on a limb to arrest the destruction of Syria and it has paid off. He appears to have played his cards remarkably well to date. I can't imagine that the stratospheric level of approval and support that he receives in Russia is fictional.

    I would believe RT News before I would the BBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, DW, Fox and all the other discredited western "news" outlets.
  71. @Boris N
    I will strongly disagree. We have a lot of examples all around the world where the lack of money and low living standards lead to the same bad things that you have listed. You do not need to go far, just look at your neighbour countries in Central America, or else you even might go to your own American poor minority (Black or Hispanic) neighbourhood, where the people will strongly disagree with you that their living on $10,000/year gives them a great virtue, like if they have no money to buy "toys" (in fact, first-necessity goods) then they live better "spiritual" lives. When the poor speak about the spirituality of poverty, this usually means a getaway from the harsh reality with the help of self-illusion. When the rich speak about the spirituality of poverty, this usually means they try to cheat the poor.

    Moral always come first, with money being secondary. Of course It takes a certain amount of money for people to live, but in practically every case, the more money immoral people have at their disposal the lower they sink and the sorrier they get. With Hollywood pukes being living examples of what money without morals produces. I’m surprised you haven’t figured this out.

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    I do not deny the need and the role of good moral, but I have a more materialistic view of the world, an important if not the fundamental condition for good moral is the full stomach. Again no need to go far for examples, there is Latin America where people theoretically have good moral, they all are devouted Catholics, but they live in a chaotic criminal frenzy, when Detroit would look like a safe haven compared to San Salvador. Do you really think that if the USA will be as poor as but as "spiritual" as Latin America, the US life will improve?
  72. but in practically every case, the more money immoral people have at their disposal the lower they sink and the sorrier they get.

    Without spiritual health, economic health is not only meaningless, it’s unsustainable. As we here in America are about to learn the hard way.

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    It works in the opposite direction as well. When people have not enough means, they have no much time left to think about and to follow good moral, they are simply surviving as they can, often doing very ugly things. In most cases a society in strong need ends up in a chaos as we can see it in Africa, the Middle East and Latin America.

    In both the cases wealth does not guarantee good moral, but good moral is not an inevitable result of poverty. Where do you choose to live, in wealthy but "immoral" Geneva or in poor but "spiritual" San Salvador?
    , @Rurik

    Without spiritual health, economic health is not only meaningless, it’s unsustainable. As we here in America are about to learn the hard way.
     
    having linked to the Pravda forum, I just took a moment to peruse the Pravda front page.

    This from an article on Russia today:

    Putin has saved the country before and he is saving the country now. We despise all the fifth column "dissent" that is based on your taxpayer money. Russia will never behave like Soros, who maintains institutions to overthrow governments, because our leaders are Orthodox Christians. Capitalism is not our religion. You are addicted to a beautiful body, and we are addicted to a beautiful soul.

    more:

    Our aggressiveness exists only in your imagination. The reunification of the Russian people with the Crimea passed without one single shot, because Russia is more than just a country. Russia is a territory, which shares a common language, history and culture. We see any attempt to "reprogram" Russians in Ukraine as a hybrid warfare against us. One can welcome the Scottish Premier and discuss the likelihood for the UK to fall apart, but one can not support the population of southern lands of the former Russian Empire in their aspiration to withdraw from Ukraine? Is this not a double standard?

    .. we do not like your determination to make us be like you. We change. Moscow has become one of the most beautiful capitals in Europe. We do not live up to Western lifestyles, and we do not "give a damn" if you do not like our way.

    http://www.pravdareport.com/society/stories/04-07-2016/134920-russians_foreigners-0/
  73. @Rurik
    Thank you for your reply Boris.

    We all know Putin plays footsie with the oligarchs. We all know he pretends to like Bibi and is a master at realpolitik. But the impression I get is of a man who wrested control of Russia away from the worst of the oligarchs, while playing nice with the rest of them. That's how it looked to us from thousands of miles away in the dying West, and firmly under the Zio/Rothschild boot, that this was/is a great man. A world-class statesman and nationalist who crushed the fanatical terrorists in Chechnya and mollified the moderate ones with reasonable policies, and he returned the resources of Russia back the Russian state.

    Sure there is massive corruption, and other problems, but considering what the Russian people have endured with decades of (Jewish imposed) genocidal commie slavery, and then having it all do a 180 and then being impoverished even worse under the cruel destitution of crony Jewish 'capitalism' that simply handed Russia over to a few Jewish and Russian minions of Rothschild- to lord it over the dying and starving Russian people- for Putin to have turned this around is incomprehensible. It's nothing less than an historic accomplishment of a truly great man. A giant on the world's stage.

    He has, it seems to me, nearly single handedly reined in the drooling, frothing Fiend, ripping to shreds everything it could get its blood dripping teeth on. Libya was the final straw for Putin, and he alone stood up to the beast when all of Europe were counting their shekels and tossing their citizens and their nation's dignity onto the Moloch's pyres of war and slaughter and cowardly appeasement of the Fiend.

    Putin said 'enough!'

    And has stopped them in Syria (for now)

    when everyone else was wringing their hands, Putin showed them all how a man with integrity must act, when faced with a thug and a bully. You stand up to them. Or you cower, and place your fate in their hands, as Gadhafi had done.

    That's sort of how I see it. Yes, he plays ball with some very unsavory types, and corruption is rampant. But he has done something wonderful Boris.. he has given the Russian people back their dignity. They have something today that I don't think they've had for generations.. Hope. A shred of pride at being who and what they are; Russians.

    How do you put a price on that? How do you quantify that kind of thing. Sure, Americans may be able to afford more flat screen TVs, with which to watch their culture and heritage being relentlessly maligned, their identities excoriated as evil, and their culture turned into a sewer. Oh joy. But how do you put a value on giving to your people a quiet sense of personal dignity? Vs. pitting them endlessly against each other with raging identity politics and a race down to the moral abyss of spiritual feculence, writ large.

    That is our lot over here in the West Boris, and the SUVs and flat screen TVs just aren't all that, when you consider the soul and the doomed future of your people.

    I can understand why you have a distorted view of Putin and the Russian life. Because Westerners simply lack important sources of information about the reality in Russia, you simply do not live in Russia, do not meet and hear the people everyday, you are not insiders. This is why I always say that the voice for Russia in the Western media (at least in the non-mainstream one, because I have no illusion about the MSM) must be given not to West-based either Russophobes or Russophiles, who practically know nothing, but to middle-aged, middle-class Russians, who love and understand best their own home. But even in such a case we must have many voices because no two Russians have a similar point of view, for example, even if I become one of the voices (I’ve written quite much here, that many of my comments deserve to become articles on their own, ha-ha) many Russians will agree with me, many will disagree, and many may have totally different third, forth, and so on views. The Russian political spectrum is much diverse, there is no false dichotomy like in the West.

    And from that you all have a problem. You get information about Russia either from the Washington-centric quasi-independent (“independent” in the American political doublespeak always means independent from everyone but Washington) outlets, like NYT, WP, Fox, CNN, you name it, and their view of Russia for the past 90 years is quite predictable if not annoying, and I understand why you do not believe them and interpret everything they say in the opposite way, so you have formed a habit that when they say something is black you understand it as something is white.

    On the other hand you have the Kremlin propaganda state machine like RT who obviously do the same thing as the Washington propaganda machine, but in the opposite direction; or Russophilic individuals (usually emigres with nostalgia), lone wolf voices like the Saker or Karlin, but whose voice anyway is irrelevant and illusional because, as I’ve said, they are outsiders and know little about the actual Russian life, but they rather might be characterized as positive interpreters of open sources (and neither the sources nor their interpretations ought to be true).

    Also we have local “opposition” outlets either in Russian like the radio station “Ekho Moskvy”, the TV station “Dozhd”, “Novaya Gazeta” and so on, or in English like “The Moscow Times”, but I do not even take them seriously, I consider them as virtually subsidiaries of the Western MSM (though there is one irony that furiously anti-government “Ekho Moskvy” is owned by Gazprom).

    What I wanted to say, that even if many who are not hopelessly brainwashed understand that the demonizing of Russia is a lie, it does not make the opposite view automatically right, and your over-positive opinion is generally illusional. I tried to bring you around, but seemed to fail, though to change anybody’s opinion was not my goal, I was just trying to say my opinion, be it right or wrong.

    Maybe our opinions are heavily influenced by our lives, both you and I may have been disappointed by our lives in our respective countries, but you believe that there is somewhere a better land, and it’s Russia, while I, in turn, believe the life in the West is better. But there is one distinction. I’ve been in both the places and I can compare, but I bet if you come to Russia and do not become one of the high-paid Western expats who live luxury lives in Moscow, you’ll very soon run off home and your Putinism will fade immediately (though your love to Russia itself may strengthen, as it has been with many Westerners).

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    Hey Boris,

    The Russian political spectrum is much diverse, there is no false dichotomy like in the West.
     
    well from what I can glimmer, the 'dichotomy' in Russia seems to go something like either 'we/I like Putin', or 'we/I don't like Putin'.

    Perhaps it has something to do with hard politics on the ground, and the reality that it's this guy that is running things today in Russia, for better or worse.

    I understand why you do not believe them and interpret everything they say in the opposite way, so you have formed a habit that when they say something is black you understand it as something is white.
     
    I wouldn't quite characterize it in this way. It's true I never believe them, but that doesn't mean they never tell the truth. Sometimes they mix a little truth in with the lies, and sometimes they say what's really going on, because by doing so it suits their agenda(s).

    When they say the Olympics are happening in Sochi, I believe them. When they say Putin shot down MH17, I think they're lying. And then with most things in between, I think it's a combination of lies and truth, always with an agenda in mind. If Putin were assisting with the destruction of Syria today, like they (the occupied West) did to Iraq and Libya, I think they'd be calling him a great statesman, and partner in freedom and democracy. It all depends on if he toes the line.

    but you believe that there is somewhere a better land, and it’s Russia, while I, in turn, believe the life in the West is better. But there is one distinction. I’ve been in both the places and I can compare
     
    It's true I've never been to Russia, at least not yet. The closest I've came is Slovakia and Hungary, (but I did meet a beautiful Russian girl when I visited Cuba a few years ago!)

    I've never thought life was better in Russia. We do have many blessings in the West. But today I consider the government of Russia (with all of it's well known corruption and chicanery) as hands down a thousand times better than what we now have in the West. And the trajectory of Putin's Russia vs. the US or Germany for instance, I consider as like a country on the rise, vs. a civilization in rapid (free-fall) decline.

    My short take is that after the revolution and the murder of the Tsar and his family, the Fiend took control of Russia, and set about slaughtering the best of the Russians (and everyone else they could get their feculent hands on), and imposing a genocidal slavery on those people for generations. And then one day when they (Rothschild) decided that commie slavery was too expensive (you had to feed and house the people), they decided to impose a system even more cruel and fiendish. They'd simply use their puppet, quisling government in Moscow to loot the wealth and resources of Russia outright, and make Rothschild's minions some of the richest men in the world overnight, while impoverishing the Russian people to the point of near starvation. (it's what the do ; )

    And then out of the blue came Putin, who wrested Russia away from the Fiend, and gave her hope, (and an ascendant middle class and pride in Russia's heritage). For the Fiend, this was an abomination, and ironically enough; Putin was now a new Hitler - especially when he jailed on of their own (and for hard labor! It was another Holocaust!). But as long as he played ball with the West by letting most of the Jewish oligarchs keep their ill-gotten billions, and went along with atrocities like the savage rape of Iraq, the oligarchs were willing to ignore what Putin had done to their designs and fun up to a degree.

    But then came Libya, and Putin saw that the Fiend was in absolute control of the West, and must not be fed anymore, lest the Fiend grow and fester and become a dire threat to Russia itself, (again). So Putin put the kibosh on Syria, and now he's locked in a death struggle with the Fiend, who is insane with power-lust.

    It's a difficult situation to be sure. And that's how I see the West vs. Putin's Russia, and why I like Putin even with all his warts and faults. At least he's trying to make Russia great again, and that's why there are many of us in the West who pine for a man like him to take on the Fiend that has its fangs locked deeply into the jugular of the West.

    For what it's worth.

    cheers
  74. @Greasy William

    We all know he pretends to like Bibi and is a master at realpolitik.
     
    1. He's not pretending. There is a reason that Russian nationalists absolutely despise him. He completely betrayed Iran when he refused to sell them the s-300 until they accepted Obama's deal.

    2. He is extremely conscious of Russian public opinion, and yet still has no problem having publicly good relations with Netanyahu. That tells you all you need to know about how indifferent the Russian people are towards the Palestinians. Contrary to your delusions, Russia is not some sort of alt right paradise as any of the nationalists who actually live in Russia would be quick to tell you.

    I do not know what sort of Russian nationalists you are speaking about, simply because there are not THE Russian nationalists, but one or two dozens of diffused different small groups with different if not opposite views, who may call themselves or other may call them “Russian nationalists”. Not to mention thousands of common non-partisan Russians who may call themselves nationalists as well but as well may have thousands of different personal opinions about the past and the current affairs.

    Among those nationalists I know personally, most of them absolutely do not care about Iran, Israel and Palestine and about the Middle East in general. The interest has only aroused since the Syrian intervention, but the general opinion about it is negative, because many think that the war in Syria is utterly inappropriate, when just at the border there is an ongoing unfinished war with Ukraine. And some nationalists even have a positive view of both Israel and Iran as good examples of national states, of what Russia must become. And unlike many commenters here, most (with some exemptions) are not so much obsessed with Israel and Jews, and they do not care if Putin loves either Israel or Iran, they dislike Putin not for that, but for other mostly internal problems.

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  75. @Carroll Price
    Moral always come first, with money being secondary. Of course It takes a certain amount of money for people to live, but in practically every case, the more money immoral people have at their disposal the lower they sink and the sorrier they get. With Hollywood pukes being living examples of what money without morals produces. I'm surprised you haven't figured this out.

    I do not deny the need and the role of good moral, but I have a more materialistic view of the world, an important if not the fundamental condition for good moral is the full stomach. Again no need to go far for examples, there is Latin America where people theoretically have good moral, they all are devouted Catholics, but they live in a chaotic criminal frenzy, when Detroit would look like a safe haven compared to San Salvador. Do you really think that if the USA will be as poor as but as “spiritual” as Latin America, the US life will improve?

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  76. @Greasy William

    but in practically every case, the more money immoral people have at their disposal the lower they sink and the sorrier they get.
     
    Without spiritual health, economic health is not only meaningless, it's unsustainable. As we here in America are about to learn the hard way.

    It works in the opposite direction as well. When people have not enough means, they have no much time left to think about and to follow good moral, they are simply surviving as they can, often doing very ugly things. In most cases a society in strong need ends up in a chaos as we can see it in Africa, the Middle East and Latin America.

    In both the cases wealth does not guarantee good moral, but good moral is not an inevitable result of poverty. Where do you choose to live, in wealthy but “immoral” Geneva or in poor but “spiritual” San Salvador?

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  77. Where do you choose to live, in wealthy but “immoral” Geneva or in poor but “spiritual” San Salvador?

    But San Salvador is just as spiritually sick as the West, just in a different way. A spiritually healthy society will have low corruption, low violence, respect for women’s rights and concern for the welfare of the weak (the poor, the disabled, the sick).

    Poverty *can* breed evil, but evil always ultimately breeds poverty.

    I do not know what sort of Russian nationalists you are speaking about

    The one’s who show off their gorgeous girlfriends who have “88″ and bladed swastikas tattooed on their asses.

    And some nationalists even have a positive view of both Israel and Iran as good examples of national states, of what Russia must become.

    They want Russia to become multi culture, failing states, with grinding poverty where the different factions of the population hate each other while a corrupt and incompetent elite rules over them? That is what they want Russia to become?

    Have you ever read the Kreutzer Sonata? It is the only piece of Russian literature I have ever read and I really liked it a lot.

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    The one’s who show off their gorgeous girlfriends who have “88″ and bladed swastikas tattooed on their asses.
     
    If you speaking seriously, what I doubt, then they are a very small, marginal minority. Since the 2000s being 1488 is a mauvais ton in the Russian national circles, nobody take those Racial Holy Warriors and fans of Hitler seriously, they are just nutheads.

    They want Russia to become multi culture, failing states, with grinding poverty where the different factions of the population hate each other while a corrupt and incompetent elite rules over them? That is what they want Russia to become?
     
    Actually, for the past 25 years Russia is becoming "a multi-culture, failing state, with grinding poverty where the different factions of the population hate each other while a corrupt and incompetent elite rules over them". I will add that that elite is in the West in their minds, and they have to be physically located in Russia just for the sake of "earning" money.

    Of course, no Russian nationalists want this, even the Nazi nuthead minority.

    When I said Israel was taken as an example I meant something like that.
  78. @Boris N
    I can understand why you have a distorted view of Putin and the Russian life. Because Westerners simply lack important sources of information about the reality in Russia, you simply do not live in Russia, do not meet and hear the people everyday, you are not insiders. This is why I always say that the voice for Russia in the Western media (at least in the non-mainstream one, because I have no illusion about the MSM) must be given not to West-based either Russophobes or Russophiles, who practically know nothing, but to middle-aged, middle-class Russians, who love and understand best their own home. But even in such a case we must have many voices because no two Russians have a similar point of view, for example, even if I become one of the voices (I've written quite much here, that many of my comments deserve to become articles on their own, ha-ha) many Russians will agree with me, many will disagree, and many may have totally different third, forth, and so on views. The Russian political spectrum is much diverse, there is no false dichotomy like in the West.

    And from that you all have a problem. You get information about Russia either from the Washington-centric quasi-independent ("independent" in the American political doublespeak always means independent from everyone but Washington) outlets, like NYT, WP, Fox, CNN, you name it, and their view of Russia for the past 90 years is quite predictable if not annoying, and I understand why you do not believe them and interpret everything they say in the opposite way, so you have formed a habit that when they say something is black you understand it as something is white.

    On the other hand you have the Kremlin propaganda state machine like RT who obviously do the same thing as the Washington propaganda machine, but in the opposite direction; or Russophilic individuals (usually emigres with nostalgia), lone wolf voices like the Saker or Karlin, but whose voice anyway is irrelevant and illusional because, as I've said, they are outsiders and know little about the actual Russian life, but they rather might be characterized as positive interpreters of open sources (and neither the sources nor their interpretations ought to be true).

    Also we have local "opposition" outlets either in Russian like the radio station "Ekho Moskvy", the TV station "Dozhd", "Novaya Gazeta" and so on, or in English like "The Moscow Times", but I do not even take them seriously, I consider them as virtually subsidiaries of the Western MSM (though there is one irony that furiously anti-government "Ekho Moskvy" is owned by Gazprom).

    What I wanted to say, that even if many who are not hopelessly brainwashed understand that the demonizing of Russia is a lie, it does not make the opposite view automatically right, and your over-positive opinion is generally illusional. I tried to bring you around, but seemed to fail, though to change anybody's opinion was not my goal, I was just trying to say my opinion, be it right or wrong.

    Maybe our opinions are heavily influenced by our lives, both you and I may have been disappointed by our lives in our respective countries, but you believe that there is somewhere a better land, and it's Russia, while I, in turn, believe the life in the West is better. But there is one distinction. I've been in both the places and I can compare, but I bet if you come to Russia and do not become one of the high-paid Western expats who live luxury lives in Moscow, you'll very soon run off home and your Putinism will fade immediately (though your love to Russia itself may strengthen, as it has been with many Westerners).

    Hey Boris,

    The Russian political spectrum is much diverse, there is no false dichotomy like in the West.

    well from what I can glimmer, the ‘dichotomy’ in Russia seems to go something like either ‘we/I like Putin’, or ‘we/I don’t like Putin’.

    Perhaps it has something to do with hard politics on the ground, and the reality that it’s this guy that is running things today in Russia, for better or worse.

    I understand why you do not believe them and interpret everything they say in the opposite way, so you have formed a habit that when they say something is black you understand it as something is white.

    I wouldn’t quite characterize it in this way. It’s true I never believe them, but that doesn’t mean they never tell the truth. Sometimes they mix a little truth in with the lies, and sometimes they say what’s really going on, because by doing so it suits their agenda(s).

    When they say the Olympics are happening in Sochi, I believe them. When they say Putin shot down MH17, I think they’re lying. And then with most things in between, I think it’s a combination of lies and truth, always with an agenda in mind. If Putin were assisting with the destruction of Syria today, like they (the occupied West) did to Iraq and Libya, I think they’d be calling him a great statesman, and partner in freedom and democracy. It all depends on if he toes the line.

    but you believe that there is somewhere a better land, and it’s Russia, while I, in turn, believe the life in the West is better. But there is one distinction. I’ve been in both the places and I can compare

    It’s true I’ve never been to Russia, at least not yet. The closest I’ve came is Slovakia and Hungary, (but I did meet a beautiful Russian girl when I visited Cuba a few years ago!)

    I’ve never thought life was better in Russia. We do have many blessings in the West. But today I consider the government of Russia (with all of it’s well known corruption and chicanery) as hands down a thousand times better than what we now have in the West. And the trajectory of Putin’s Russia vs. the US or Germany for instance, I consider as like a country on the rise, vs. a civilization in rapid (free-fall) decline.

    My short take is that after the revolution and the murder of the Tsar and his family, the Fiend took control of Russia, and set about slaughtering the best of the Russians (and everyone else they could get their feculent hands on), and imposing a genocidal slavery on those people for generations. And then one day when they (Rothschild) decided that commie slavery was too expensive (you had to feed and house the people), they decided to impose a system even more cruel and fiendish. They’d simply use their puppet, quisling government in Moscow to loot the wealth and resources of Russia outright, and make Rothschild’s minions some of the richest men in the world overnight, while impoverishing the Russian people to the point of near starvation. (it’s what the do ; )

    And then out of the blue came Putin, who wrested Russia away from the Fiend, and gave her hope, (and an ascendant middle class and pride in Russia’s heritage). For the Fiend, this was an abomination, and ironically enough; Putin was now a new Hitler – especially when he jailed on of their own (and for hard labor! It was another Holocaust!). But as long as he played ball with the West by letting most of the Jewish oligarchs keep their ill-gotten billions, and went along with atrocities like the savage rape of Iraq, the oligarchs were willing to ignore what Putin had done to their designs and fun up to a degree.

    But then came Libya, and Putin saw that the Fiend was in absolute control of the West, and must not be fed anymore, lest the Fiend grow and fester and become a dire threat to Russia itself, (again). So Putin put the kibosh on Syria, and now he’s locked in a death struggle with the Fiend, who is insane with power-lust.

    It’s a difficult situation to be sure. And that’s how I see the West vs. Putin’s Russia, and why I like Putin even with all his warts and faults. At least he’s trying to make Russia great again, and that’s why there are many of us in the West who pine for a man like him to take on the Fiend that has its fangs locked deeply into the jugular of the West.

    For what it’s worth.

    cheers

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    the ‘dichotomy’ in Russia seems to go something like either ‘we/I like Putin’, or ‘we/I don’t like Putin’.
     
    To like/dislike Putin is not a political stance but rather a personal opinion. But it does not explain nor imply any other view. To be precise, several persons can dislike Putin, but one may be a pro-Western ultra-liberal, another a Stalinist, other a National-Bolshevik, other a Christian Monarchist, other a racist Nazi, other a pro-Ukrainian Nazi, and so on. It is difficult to list them all. And they all may have totally different views on many subjects, but just one thing in common, as you said, a dislike to Putin.

    I cannot say for sure for the Western public but I hardly saw such a variety of views. Maybe the reason why Russians cannot unite and change something, because they are so disintegrated on many issues.

    It’s true I never believe them, but that doesn’t mean they never tell the truth.
     
    OK, I did not mean that. Of course, when they say that somewhere there has been a tornado, or, as in your example, a sporting event, or some other trivial factual thing they simply cannot not to say truth. But when they are trying to create some sort of analysis about hot global political affairs they usually back up the agenda of their Washington-Brussels masters. But the agenda of the Kremlin is hardly better. The best option is not to listen them both.

    But today I consider the government of Russia (with all of it’s well known corruption and chicanery) as hands down a thousand times better than what we now have in the West.
     
    Again, you say this because you simply has a very limited range of sources of information. You just repeat a made-up image of the Russian government or, precisely, of just one person, Putin. But this is just an image for the outside (non-Russian) public. You need know more, much more, form a variety of Russian sources, for a long period of time, and then you might have not the right, but at least a less distorted view. The actual Russian government, if we put Putin (pun) aside, is comprised of very ugly, greedy, treacherous, hypocritical people, I simply cannot find the right words for those bastards. They are utterly disgusting. They have been ruining the country for the past 25 years.

    And the trajectory of Putin’s Russia vs. the US or Germany for instance, I consider as like a country on the rise, vs. a civilization in rapid (free-fall) decline.
     
    Russia is on the fall. The crisis of the past two years has just nullified any achievements of the previous 2004-2014 decade. Russia has practically returned to its starting position. And nothing says about its rise, everything says the contrary. Russians have entered a difficult time. They will be remembering 2000-2014 with bitter nostalgia.

    And then out of the blue came Putin, who wrested Russia away from the Fiend, and gave her hope,
     
    Putin did not turn out of blue, he was a member of the 1990s robbing elite, he is a continuation of Yeltsin, I explained it in my other comments colourfully. Not to mention Putin's "team" are the very same people from the 1990s. Take anybody and they all were doing some ugly things in the 1990s, but now they are "respected" officials and "businessmen". The only thing he has done is to hide this ugly truth under the cover. And millions around the world believe his deceit, how naive.
  79. @Greasy William

    Bibi is the king of the Jews
     
    Bibi rules purely by default. He's not the king of anything. Nasrallah knew what he was talking about when he said that Sharon was the last King of Israel.

    Jesus Greasy, that the realpolitik I was talking about that you even highlighted in your quote!
     
    But Putin is democratically elected. The only reason he can engaged in realpolitik in the middle east is because the Russia public doesn't give a rat's ass what happens to the Iranians or Palestinians. The only people in Russia who care about those groups are the nationalists, who, as I have said, hate Putin's guts.

    The only reason he can engaged in realpolitik in the middle east is because the Russia public doesn’t give a rat’s ass what happens to the Iranians or Palestinians.

    I think they do care what happens to Iran, since it’s a close trading partner. And the Palestinians are just a distant, tragic people to the Russians. Why should they wring their hands, it isn’t them who’re foisting the evils upon the Pals, it’s us Americans that are doing that.

    The only people in Russia who care about those groups are the nationalists, who, as I have said, hate Putin’s guts.

    how many Russian nationalists do you know or speak to who are not Jewish, Greasy?

    From what I understand, the IDF is chock full of Russian émigrés, and their take on things must be skewed by Putin’s thwarting of Israel’s designs on the Golan.

    here’s a forum run by an ultra-Russian nationalist

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/84302

    another

    http://slavija.proboards.com/

    here’s the Pravda main forum

    http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/forum/3-main-forum/

    lot’s of chafe on that one but you can at least glimmer a nuanced inkling of what the Russian nationalists are on about

    (they love Putin ; )

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    Why should they wring their hands, it isn’t them who’re foisting the evils upon the Pals, it’s us Americans that are doing that.
     
    Because the Palestinians are the #1 issue for the Russian nationalist groups, and the nationalists can't take power if the public doesn't give a shit about their message. This is the same reason the BNP failed, Golden Dawn is going nowhere and the Front National was a total failure until Marine kicked out her old man and changed to parties message from Palestine/Iran towards stopping immigration. The only nationalist group that has had even a modicum of success is Jobbik and even they can't break out of 3rd place in Hungary which is total Nazi-land.

    And again, this is pretty simple stuff: The Arab Islamic world is not strong enough to defeat Israel. It isn't and never will be. The only way to get rid of Israel is for nationalists groups to take power in the West or Russia.

    how many Russian nationalists do you know or speak to who are not Jewish, Greasy?
     
    I don't speak to any Russian nationalists. However the way Russian Jews love Putin should tell you something.

    You are acting like the WNs who have decided that Trump is one of them when he obviously isn't.
    , @Boris N

    lot’s of chafe on that one but you can at least glimmer a nuanced inkling of what the Russian nationalists are on about

    (they love Putin ; )
     
    No, you cannot accidentally pick up some obscure bulletin boards, hosted on a free-hosting site, which boards nobody knows and cares about.

    The actual whole Russian national movement has been being thought through, discussed and constructed for many years entirely in Russian, in the Russian part of the internet, and not in English by some pro-Russian foreigners or Russian emigres.
  80. @Greasy William

    but in practically every case, the more money immoral people have at their disposal the lower they sink and the sorrier they get.
     
    Without spiritual health, economic health is not only meaningless, it's unsustainable. As we here in America are about to learn the hard way.

    Without spiritual health, economic health is not only meaningless, it’s unsustainable. As we here in America are about to learn the hard way.

    having linked to the Pravda forum, I just took a moment to peruse the Pravda front page.

    This from an article on Russia today:

    Putin has saved the country before and he is saving the country now. We despise all the fifth column “dissent” that is based on your taxpayer money. Russia will never behave like Soros, who maintains institutions to overthrow governments, because our leaders are Orthodox Christians. Capitalism is not our religion. You are addicted to a beautiful body, and we are addicted to a beautiful soul.

    more:

    Our aggressiveness exists only in your imagination. The reunification of the Russian people with the Crimea passed without one single shot, because Russia is more than just a country. Russia is a territory, which shares a common language, history and culture. We see any attempt to “reprogram” Russians in Ukraine as a hybrid warfare against us. One can welcome the Scottish Premier and discuss the likelihood for the UK to fall apart, but one can not support the population of southern lands of the former Russian Empire in their aspiration to withdraw from Ukraine? Is this not a double standard?

    .. we do not like your determination to make us be like you. We change. Moscow has become one of the most beautiful capitals in Europe. We do not live up to Western lifestyles, and we do not “give a damn” if you do not like our way.

    http://www.pravdareport.com/society/stories/04-07-2016/134920-russians_foreigners-0/

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  81. @Rurik

    The only reason he can engaged in realpolitik in the middle east is because the Russia public doesn’t give a rat’s ass what happens to the Iranians or Palestinians.
     
    I think they do care what happens to Iran, since it's a close trading partner. And the Palestinians are just a distant, tragic people to the Russians. Why should they wring their hands, it isn't them who're foisting the evils upon the Pals, it's us Americans that are doing that.

    The only people in Russia who care about those groups are the nationalists, who, as I have said, hate Putin’s guts.
     
    how many Russian nationalists do you know or speak to who are not Jewish, Greasy?

    From what I understand, the IDF is chock full of Russian émigrés, and their take on things must be skewed by Putin's thwarting of Israel's designs on the Golan.

    here's a forum run by an ultra-Russian nationalist

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/84302

    another

    http://slavija.proboards.com/

    here's the Pravda main forum

    http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/forum/3-main-forum/

    lot's of chafe on that one but you can at least glimmer a nuanced inkling of what the Russian nationalists are on about

    (they love Putin ; )

    Why should they wring their hands, it isn’t them who’re foisting the evils upon the Pals, it’s us Americans that are doing that.

    Because the Palestinians are the #1 issue for the Russian nationalist groups, and the nationalists can’t take power if the public doesn’t give a shit about their message. This is the same reason the BNP failed, Golden Dawn is going nowhere and the Front National was a total failure until Marine kicked out her old man and changed to parties message from Palestine/Iran towards stopping immigration. The only nationalist group that has had even a modicum of success is Jobbik and even they can’t break out of 3rd place in Hungary which is total Nazi-land.

    And again, this is pretty simple stuff: The Arab Islamic world is not strong enough to defeat Israel. It isn’t and never will be. The only way to get rid of Israel is for nationalists groups to take power in the West or Russia.

    how many Russian nationalists do you know or speak to who are not Jewish, Greasy?

    I don’t speak to any Russian nationalists. However the way Russian Jews love Putin should tell you something.

    You are acting like the WNs who have decided that Trump is one of them when he obviously isn’t.

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    Because the Palestinians are the #1 issue for the Russian nationalist groups
     
    It's simply not true. The Russian nationalist groups, any of them, could care less about the Palestinians. I simply have not met a single Russian nationalist who cared about the Palestinians, and I met them in their thousands. Maybe I do not know every group, and maybe there is indeed one such, pro-Palestinian (how bizarre for Russian nationalists), but for the whole movement the Palestinian conflict is the #100 issue.
  82. Because the Palestinians are the #1 issue for the Russian nationalist groups

    this is silly

    and the nationalists can’t take power if the public doesn’t give a shit about their message.

    more silliness

    when it comes to Israel Greasy, you know your shit (not that you’re right ; )

    but it seems when it comes to Russia, you’re a little (lot) myopic (dunderheaded)

    no offence ;)

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  83. @Rurik

    Because the Palestinians are the #1 issue for the Russian nationalist groups
     
    this is silly

    and the nationalists can’t take power if the public doesn’t give a shit about their message.
     
    more silliness

    when it comes to Israel Greasy, you know your shit (not that you're right ; )

    but it seems when it comes to Russia, you're a little (lot) myopic (dunderheaded)

    no offence ;)

    no offence

    none taken

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  84. @Greasy William

    Bibi is the king of the Jews
     
    Bibi rules purely by default. He's not the king of anything. Nasrallah knew what he was talking about when he said that Sharon was the last King of Israel.

    Jesus Greasy, that the realpolitik I was talking about that you even highlighted in your quote!
     
    But Putin is democratically elected. The only reason he can engaged in realpolitik in the middle east is because the Russia public doesn't give a rat's ass what happens to the Iranians or Palestinians. The only people in Russia who care about those groups are the nationalists, who, as I have said, hate Putin's guts.

    I would say that Putin certainly does care about Iran. It doesn’t take a genius to know which nations have been declared evil and targeted by the US, they are frequently named by traitorous whores like Hillary, Obuma, Biden etc, along with the treacherous neo-cons who bear responsibility for fomenting wars in the ME.

    Putin is smart enough to know that if any nation sits back and waits its turn to be attacked it will surely be destroyed. He went out on a limb to arrest the destruction of Syria and it has paid off. He appears to have played his cards remarkably well to date. I can’t imagine that the stratospheric level of approval and support that he receives in Russia is fictional.

    I would believe RT News before I would the BBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, DW, Fox and all the other discredited western “news” outlets.

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  85. @Rurik
    Hey Boris,

    The Russian political spectrum is much diverse, there is no false dichotomy like in the West.
     
    well from what I can glimmer, the 'dichotomy' in Russia seems to go something like either 'we/I like Putin', or 'we/I don't like Putin'.

    Perhaps it has something to do with hard politics on the ground, and the reality that it's this guy that is running things today in Russia, for better or worse.

    I understand why you do not believe them and interpret everything they say in the opposite way, so you have formed a habit that when they say something is black you understand it as something is white.
     
    I wouldn't quite characterize it in this way. It's true I never believe them, but that doesn't mean they never tell the truth. Sometimes they mix a little truth in with the lies, and sometimes they say what's really going on, because by doing so it suits their agenda(s).

    When they say the Olympics are happening in Sochi, I believe them. When they say Putin shot down MH17, I think they're lying. And then with most things in between, I think it's a combination of lies and truth, always with an agenda in mind. If Putin were assisting with the destruction of Syria today, like they (the occupied West) did to Iraq and Libya, I think they'd be calling him a great statesman, and partner in freedom and democracy. It all depends on if he toes the line.

    but you believe that there is somewhere a better land, and it’s Russia, while I, in turn, believe the life in the West is better. But there is one distinction. I’ve been in both the places and I can compare
     
    It's true I've never been to Russia, at least not yet. The closest I've came is Slovakia and Hungary, (but I did meet a beautiful Russian girl when I visited Cuba a few years ago!)

    I've never thought life was better in Russia. We do have many blessings in the West. But today I consider the government of Russia (with all of it's well known corruption and chicanery) as hands down a thousand times better than what we now have in the West. And the trajectory of Putin's Russia vs. the US or Germany for instance, I consider as like a country on the rise, vs. a civilization in rapid (free-fall) decline.

    My short take is that after the revolution and the murder of the Tsar and his family, the Fiend took control of Russia, and set about slaughtering the best of the Russians (and everyone else they could get their feculent hands on), and imposing a genocidal slavery on those people for generations. And then one day when they (Rothschild) decided that commie slavery was too expensive (you had to feed and house the people), they decided to impose a system even more cruel and fiendish. They'd simply use their puppet, quisling government in Moscow to loot the wealth and resources of Russia outright, and make Rothschild's minions some of the richest men in the world overnight, while impoverishing the Russian people to the point of near starvation. (it's what the do ; )

    And then out of the blue came Putin, who wrested Russia away from the Fiend, and gave her hope, (and an ascendant middle class and pride in Russia's heritage). For the Fiend, this was an abomination, and ironically enough; Putin was now a new Hitler - especially when he jailed on of their own (and for hard labor! It was another Holocaust!). But as long as he played ball with the West by letting most of the Jewish oligarchs keep their ill-gotten billions, and went along with atrocities like the savage rape of Iraq, the oligarchs were willing to ignore what Putin had done to their designs and fun up to a degree.

    But then came Libya, and Putin saw that the Fiend was in absolute control of the West, and must not be fed anymore, lest the Fiend grow and fester and become a dire threat to Russia itself, (again). So Putin put the kibosh on Syria, and now he's locked in a death struggle with the Fiend, who is insane with power-lust.

    It's a difficult situation to be sure. And that's how I see the West vs. Putin's Russia, and why I like Putin even with all his warts and faults. At least he's trying to make Russia great again, and that's why there are many of us in the West who pine for a man like him to take on the Fiend that has its fangs locked deeply into the jugular of the West.

    For what it's worth.

    cheers

    the ‘dichotomy’ in Russia seems to go something like either ‘we/I like Putin’, or ‘we/I don’t like Putin’.

    To like/dislike Putin is not a political stance but rather a personal opinion. But it does not explain nor imply any other view. To be precise, several persons can dislike Putin, but one may be a pro-Western ultra-liberal, another a Stalinist, other a National-Bolshevik, other a Christian Monarchist, other a racist Nazi, other a pro-Ukrainian Nazi, and so on. It is difficult to list them all. And they all may have totally different views on many subjects, but just one thing in common, as you said, a dislike to Putin.

    I cannot say for sure for the Western public but I hardly saw such a variety of views. Maybe the reason why Russians cannot unite and change something, because they are so disintegrated on many issues.

    It’s true I never believe them, but that doesn’t mean they never tell the truth.

    OK, I did not mean that. Of course, when they say that somewhere there has been a tornado, or, as in your example, a sporting event, or some other trivial factual thing they simply cannot not to say truth. But when they are trying to create some sort of analysis about hot global political affairs they usually back up the agenda of their Washington-Brussels masters. But the agenda of the Kremlin is hardly better. The best option is not to listen them both.

    But today I consider the government of Russia (with all of it’s well known corruption and chicanery) as hands down a thousand times better than what we now have in the West.

    Again, you say this because you simply has a very limited range of sources of information. You just repeat a made-up image of the Russian government or, precisely, of just one person, Putin. But this is just an image for the outside (non-Russian) public. You need know more, much more, form a variety of Russian sources, for a long period of time, and then you might have not the right, but at least a less distorted view. The actual Russian government, if we put Putin (pun) aside, is comprised of very ugly, greedy, treacherous, hypocritical people, I simply cannot find the right words for those bastards. They are utterly disgusting. They have been ruining the country for the past 25 years.

    And the trajectory of Putin’s Russia vs. the US or Germany for instance, I consider as like a country on the rise, vs. a civilization in rapid (free-fall) decline.

    Russia is on the fall. The crisis of the past two years has just nullified any achievements of the previous 2004-2014 decade. Russia has practically returned to its starting position. And nothing says about its rise, everything says the contrary. Russians have entered a difficult time. They will be remembering 2000-2014 with bitter nostalgia.

    And then out of the blue came Putin, who wrested Russia away from the Fiend, and gave her hope,

    Putin did not turn out of blue, he was a member of the 1990s robbing elite, he is a continuation of Yeltsin, I explained it in my other comments colourfully. Not to mention Putin’s “team” are the very same people from the 1990s. Take anybody and they all were doing some ugly things in the 1990s, but now they are “respected” officials and “businessmen”. The only thing he has done is to hide this ugly truth under the cover. And millions around the world believe his deceit, how naive.

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  86. @Greasy William

    Where do you choose to live, in wealthy but “immoral” Geneva or in poor but “spiritual” San Salvador?
     
    But San Salvador is just as spiritually sick as the West, just in a different way. A spiritually healthy society will have low corruption, low violence, respect for women's rights and concern for the welfare of the weak (the poor, the disabled, the sick).

    Poverty *can* breed evil, but evil always ultimately breeds poverty.


    I do not know what sort of Russian nationalists you are speaking about
     
    The one's who show off their gorgeous girlfriends who have "88" and bladed swastikas tattooed on their asses.

    And some nationalists even have a positive view of both Israel and Iran as good examples of national states, of what Russia must become.
     
    They want Russia to become multi culture, failing states, with grinding poverty where the different factions of the population hate each other while a corrupt and incompetent elite rules over them? That is what they want Russia to become?


    Have you ever read the Kreutzer Sonata? It is the only piece of Russian literature I have ever read and I really liked it a lot.

    The one’s who show off their gorgeous girlfriends who have “88″ and bladed swastikas tattooed on their asses.

    If you speaking seriously, what I doubt, then they are a very small, marginal minority. Since the 2000s being 1488 is a mauvais ton in the Russian national circles, nobody take those Racial Holy Warriors and fans of Hitler seriously, they are just nutheads.

    They want Russia to become multi culture, failing states, with grinding poverty where the different factions of the population hate each other while a corrupt and incompetent elite rules over them? That is what they want Russia to become?

    Actually, for the past 25 years Russia is becoming “a multi-culture, failing state, with grinding poverty where the different factions of the population hate each other while a corrupt and incompetent elite rules over them”. I will add that that elite is in the West in their minds, and they have to be physically located in Russia just for the sake of “earning” money.

    Of course, no Russian nationalists want this, even the Nazi nuthead minority.

    When I said Israel was taken as an example I meant something like that.

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  87. @Rurik

    The only reason he can engaged in realpolitik in the middle east is because the Russia public doesn’t give a rat’s ass what happens to the Iranians or Palestinians.
     
    I think they do care what happens to Iran, since it's a close trading partner. And the Palestinians are just a distant, tragic people to the Russians. Why should they wring their hands, it isn't them who're foisting the evils upon the Pals, it's us Americans that are doing that.

    The only people in Russia who care about those groups are the nationalists, who, as I have said, hate Putin’s guts.
     
    how many Russian nationalists do you know or speak to who are not Jewish, Greasy?

    From what I understand, the IDF is chock full of Russian émigrés, and their take on things must be skewed by Putin's thwarting of Israel's designs on the Golan.

    here's a forum run by an ultra-Russian nationalist

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/84302

    another

    http://slavija.proboards.com/

    here's the Pravda main forum

    http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/forum/3-main-forum/

    lot's of chafe on that one but you can at least glimmer a nuanced inkling of what the Russian nationalists are on about

    (they love Putin ; )

    lot’s of chafe on that one but you can at least glimmer a nuanced inkling of what the Russian nationalists are on about

    (they love Putin ; )

    No, you cannot accidentally pick up some obscure bulletin boards, hosted on a free-hosting site, which boards nobody knows and cares about.

    The actual whole Russian national movement has been being thought through, discussed and constructed for many years entirely in Russian, in the Russian part of the internet, and not in English by some pro-Russian foreigners or Russian emigres.

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  88. @Greasy William

    Why should they wring their hands, it isn’t them who’re foisting the evils upon the Pals, it’s us Americans that are doing that.
     
    Because the Palestinians are the #1 issue for the Russian nationalist groups, and the nationalists can't take power if the public doesn't give a shit about their message. This is the same reason the BNP failed, Golden Dawn is going nowhere and the Front National was a total failure until Marine kicked out her old man and changed to parties message from Palestine/Iran towards stopping immigration. The only nationalist group that has had even a modicum of success is Jobbik and even they can't break out of 3rd place in Hungary which is total Nazi-land.

    And again, this is pretty simple stuff: The Arab Islamic world is not strong enough to defeat Israel. It isn't and never will be. The only way to get rid of Israel is for nationalists groups to take power in the West or Russia.

    how many Russian nationalists do you know or speak to who are not Jewish, Greasy?
     
    I don't speak to any Russian nationalists. However the way Russian Jews love Putin should tell you something.

    You are acting like the WNs who have decided that Trump is one of them when he obviously isn't.

    Because the Palestinians are the #1 issue for the Russian nationalist groups

    It’s simply not true. The Russian nationalist groups, any of them, could care less about the Palestinians. I simply have not met a single Russian nationalist who cared about the Palestinians, and I met them in their thousands. Maybe I do not know every group, and maybe there is indeed one such, pro-Palestinian (how bizarre for Russian nationalists), but for the whole movement the Palestinian conflict is the #100 issue.

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  89. It’s simply not true. The Russian nationalist groups, any of them, could care less about the Palestinians

    Well I’ll defer to your knowledge on this topic. In the West, our Nationalist groups and nazi sympathizers (they call themselves “Paleoconservatives”) primarily focus on the Palestinians and Iran. The most successful Nationalists parties in the West are Jobbik in Hungary and Golden Dawn in Greece and their primary issue by far is the Israeli Palestinian conflict. In fact, the Palestinians might be their *only* issue because they certainly never talk about anything else.

    It is certainly possible that Russian Nationalism is different from conventional European Nationalism.

    As for whether Putin really is bad and/or corrupt, the fact is that we here in the West need his help to get rid of our own leaders. After they are gone you are free to remove Putin from power.

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  90. […] and Other Fables.”   Dr. Giraldi’s post for The Unz Review on June 28th, “The Magnitsky Hoax?  Who Stole the Money?” adds to the mix. Finally, Robert Parry at Consortium News has an article out July 14. See […]

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  91. […] and Other Fables.”   Dr. Giraldi’s post for The Unz Review on June 28th, “The Magnitsky Hoax?  Who Stole the Money?” adds to the mix. Finally, Robert Parry at Consortium News has an article out July 14. See […]

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  92. […] Harassment and Other Fables.”   Dr. Giraldi’s post for The Unz Review on June 28th, “The Magnitsky Hoax?  Who Stole the Money?” adds to the mix. Finally, Robert Parry at Consortium News has an article out July 14. See […]

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  94. @JL
    FYI, in Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union, "Jewish" is a nationality and completely divorced from any religious connotation. As such, it is not at all unusual for Jews to be practicing Russian Orthodox.

    Well-known example is great Russian poet and writer,
    Nobel Prize in Literature winner,
    Boris Leonidovich Pasternak,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Pasternak

    Genetically he was 100% Jewish. He became
    (and stayed util his death) very deeply Russian Orthodox Christian.
    Среди стихотворений Юрия Живаго, венчающих роман Пастернака, есть одно, о котором бы хотелось сейчас поговорить. Это – «Рождественская звезда». Вот оно.
    Стояла зима.
    Дул ветер из степи.
    И холодно было младенцу в вертепе
    На склоне холма.
    Его согревало дыханье вола,
    Домашние звери
    Стояли в пещере,
    Над яслями теплая дымка плыла. [...]

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  95. Sorry but I cannot possibly read all 100 comments. And I have only been researching this topic for a short time. Here is my current position to Mr. Browder’s claims.

    I think Mr. Browder in his speeches makes a compelling arguement regarding his honest history of investing in Russia. He may even have, at some point, cooperated with western intelligence services who are always in the need for good information. But I doubt Mr. Browder was an economic hitman out to destroy Russia.

    I am interested in the information of filmmaker Andrei Nekrasov, but I do not think one can call it Magnitsky Hoax, yet. The information given by Mr. Giraldi and the commenters does not convince me so far. And Nekrasov’s movie being blocked in Europe is no proof that his information is correct. It may just be EU-politics.

    I am not surprised that American politicians jumped on sanctions against the Russian state mafia. I am more surprised that the Americans actually can get something done.

    By the way, I am actually shocked by so many anti-jewish comments. As a German, let me tell you, that when you kick out smart and educated people you will lose in the long run. Your enemies are not wealthy Jews who see investments opportunities first. At the most, your enemies might be radical leftists in the media and academia. And most of them are not Jews.

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