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The more dangerous America’s crackpot President becomes, the saner the world believes him to be. Just look back at the initial half of his first 100 days: the crazed tweeting, the lies, the fantasies and self-regard of this misogynist leader of the Western world appalled all of us. But the moment he went to war in Yemen, fired missiles at Syria and bombed Afghanistan, even the US media Trump had so ferociously condemned began to treat him with respect. And so did the rest of the world.

It’s one thing to have a lunatic in the White House who watches late night television and tweets all day. But when the same lunatic goes to war, it now emerges, he’s a safer bet for democracy, a strong President who stands up to tyrants (unless they happen to be Saudis, Turks or Egyptians) and who acts out of human emotion rather than cynicism.

How else can one account for the extraordinary report in The New York Times which recorded how Trump’s “anguish” at the film of dying Syrian babies had led him to abandon “isolationism”?

Americans like action, but have typically confused Trump’s infantile trigger finger with mature decision-making. What else is there to think when a normally sane US columnist like David Ignatius suddenly compares Trump to Harry Truman and praises his demented President for his “flexibility” and “pragmatism”?

This is preposterous. A madman who goofs off at something he doesn’t like on CNN is just plain wacky. A man of unsound mind who attacks three Muslim countries – two of which were included in his seven Muslim nation refugee ban – is a danger to the world. Yet the moment he fires 59 missiles at Syria after more than 60 civilians die in an apparent chemical attack which he blames on Assad – but none after far more are massacred by a Syrian suicide bomber – even Angela Merkel takes leave of her senses and praises Trump, along with the Matron of Downing Street, Signora Mogherini and sundry other potentates. Hasn’t someone cottoned on to the fact that Trump is now taking America into a shooting war?

Handing more power to the Pentagon – about the most perilous act of any US President – means that Defence Secretary James “Mad Dog” Mattis is now encouraging the head-chopping Saudis to bomb Yemen – adding even more American intelligence “assets” to this criminal enterprise — and encouraging the Gulf Arabs’ delusional idea that Iran wants to conquer the Arab world. “Everywhere you look,” Mattis told his Saudi hosts this month, “if there’s trouble in the region, you find Iran.”

Is that the case with Egypt, then, now under Isis attack as its President “disappears” thousands of his own people? Is that the case in Turkey whose even more crazed President has now locked up tens of thousands of his own people while turning himself into a dictator-by-law?

Let’s just briefly take a look at Trump’s reaction to Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s dodgy referendum, which has given him a Caliph’s power over Turkey. A round-up of the latest figures from Turkey by the French newspaper Liberation show that there have been 47,000 arrests since last year’s attempted coup, 140,000 passports revoked, 120,000 men and women fired from their jobs (including 8,000 military officers, 5,000 academics, 4,000 judges and lawyers, 65 mayors and 2,000 journalists). One thousand two hundred schools and 15 universities have been closed down, 170 newspapers, television and radio stations shut.

And after the referendum which gave Erdogan a narrow (if very dubious) majority to legitimise these outrages, Trump called the Turkish President to congratulate him on his victory. Just as he continues to congratulate Egyptian President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi in his “battle” against “terror”, a war which al-Sisi – whose coup d’etat against Egypt’s first elected president originally brought him to power – appears to be losing. Al-Sisi, Trump enthused, would be someone “very close to him”.

We know that the US Special Forces raid on Yemen, in which Navy Seal William Owens died, killed more civilians than al-Qaeda members. We don’t know (or, I suspect, care) very much what the “mother of all bombs” did in the Nangahar province of Afghanistan. First it killed 60 Isis fighters. Then it killed 100 Isis fighters and not a single civilian – surely a first in US military history? But then, weirdly, nobody has been allowed to go to the site of this monster bomb’s explosion. Because civilians were indeed killed? Or because – and this is a fact – Isis survivors went on fighting American ground troops after the bombing?

Now Trump is sending a naval battle group to threaten North Korea, a past master at childish threats itself. Ye gods! And this is a man who is now “flexible” and “pragmatic”? It’s instructive to note that after its first edition, The New York Times changed its headline about Trump’s Syrian “anguish” to “Trump Upends His Own Foreign Policy”, still gifting him with a “foreign policy” (which doesn’t exist) while cutting out the “anguish”. I am told the first original edition headline read: “On Syria Attack, Trump’s Heart Came First”. Intriguing. If that is correct, you can see how The New York Times slowly – far too slowly – realised it had itself started to fall in love with its shooting-from-the-hip President.

Now we await the battle for Korea, forgetting that earlier war which drowned the peninsula in blood, American and British as well as Korean and Chinese. Maybe Trump, in his vague, frightening way, has decided that Southeast Asia will be his real war. And there, of course, the comparison with Truman gets rather too close to home. For Truman only came in at the end of the Second World War, after Roosevelt’s death, and his crowning wartime achievement was also in Southeast Asia: the atom-bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Heaven spare us the next 100 days.

Robert Fisk writes for the Independent, where this column originally appeared.

(Republished from The Independent by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    “…even Angela Merkel takes leave of her senses…”

    What senses? Surely you jest!

  2. Alas, Trump is not a statesman but a salesman.

    A real pisser.

  3. Actually its the British!….well they are bloody insane!
    Anyone who says they reserve the right to make a thermonuclear “First Strike” is totally mad.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @englishmike
  4. Gleimhart says:

    The Trump Derangement Syndrome at Unz has gotten really tiring.

    And no, not everyone gives the least crap about his “misogyny.” Not me, anyway.

    This site gets more anti-American by the day. Screw you leftwing dirtbags.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @woodNfish
  5. I still do not see Trump as a crackpot.
    Though I’m not sure about his ideas I still hope that he will end USA militarism, not because out of moral ideas, but because he sees, and his rich friends, that pursuing the goal of USA world hegemony will, or has already, ruined the USA.

    The attack on Syria, and his warlike talk about N Korea, hogwash to confuse Deep State, and to satisfy his voters.
    The Dutch professor Laslo Maracs, university of Amsterdam, explains all this eloquently, alas only in Dutch, as far as I know.

    And my hope still is that Trump will prevent NATO and EU war on Russia, the war that indeed will end al wars, as already Wilson wanted, because this war will end all human life.
    How it then ends is well described in the novel On the Beach, Neville Shute, 1953, the New Zealand government distributing suicide pills when the radio active dust reaches the island.

  6. Just sometimes Robert Fisk says something interesting and convincing, or at least, believable. But what is one to make of his expert knowledge if he thinks Hiroshima and Nagasaki are in SE Asia?

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @Logan
  7. Trump got elected by declaring himself the enemy of international Zionist globalist bankers.

    Once in the White House he folded to their demands.
    He is now Clinton/Obama Mk 3.

    Ignatius (not “normally sensible” but normally a blood-sucking Zionist warmonger) applauds Trump for his betrayal of those who elected him, for his submission to the usual suspects …. by the way … this guy (see below) explains what the power is that obedience-monkeys like Trump (and, more importantly, the rest of us) actually serve:

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  8. Art says:

    Trump underestimated the problems he was going to have in government.

    It is true – he is a good business negotiator – he has proven himself at making business deals. The goal of the participants in a business deal is to create an ongoing business.

    The all-encompassing goal of government is to maintain power – second is getting things done.

    Trump must learn a new game – he must learn the game power.

    The first rule of power is you need to instill fear – you need to take someone out!

    Trump must use government power to crush someone (not twitter). Trump must take one of those jerk judges immediately to the supreme court. Trump needs to stick something that Schumer really wants, right where the sun don’t shine. Using government power, Trump needs to make an example of some media person.

    Trump dropped some bombs and the world now has respect – that’s power politics.

    He needs to do the same domestically.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Moi
  9. Art says:

    Trump deeds good advice on running the government – he has some light weights working for him now. Trump deeds a grownup running things.

    If I were Trump I would get off the twitter and call James Baker for advice. The twitter worked for getting to the voters – clearly it is not working when it comes to running the government.

    Baker was the most competent politician in the last 35 years. Whatever he ran worked smoothly. He ran the White House for Reagan and the State Department for papa Bush. And did a fine job at both.

    Baker knows government – a phone call a day will make the White House work.

    Peace — Art

    (How dumb is it having Kushner running the government – he knows NOTHING!)

    (Wake up – having 100 senators to the White House is amateur stuff – period.)

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  10. Zogby says:

    Trump is not a mysogynist, just a straight horny male. With the rest I agree.

  11. @ThereisaGod

    It is not easy, if that is what Trump wants, to turn around the policy of a country, that has been followed since Pearl Harbour.
    The one and only period that the USA was not imperialistic was from 1919, when the American people discovered why their sons had died in Europe, until 1933, when Roosevelt got power.

    • Replies: @Sean
  12. Donald Trump evokes in us the same distortion of reality as a funhouse mirror at an amusement park.
    Apparently no one is immune to the phenomenon. Maybe it’s black magic. Maybe it’s Jungian.

    Whatever it is; it’s pretty dark. In fact, the Trump effect on us has become a Litmus Test of more

  13. dearieme says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “what is one to make of his expert knowledge if he thinks Hiroshima and Nagasaki are in SE Asia?”

    Maybe they were in 1945. Plates drift.

    Or maybe he’s just woefully ignorant of the meaning of South East? That’s what my money’s on.

  14. naro says:

    Robert Fisk the Iranian shill, and secret Shiia convert, doesn’t even know that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are NOT in Southeast Asia. Thank God that Trump and Israel are a lot smarter than this turd.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  15. Sean says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The last American occupation troops did not leave Germany until the 1930’s.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Rurik
    , @Alden
  16. Logan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    SE, NE, at this point in time what difference does it make?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  17. Trump, the malleable Chimp, is just the latest iteration of Cleopatra’s monkeys, and the mask is off.

    It’s now reported that Trump just did a NAFTA flip-flop.

    But at least the boob isn’t Hillary, and maybe his simian antics will awaken a few more people to the reality of the futility of our political systems.

    All the dreamers ought to wake up to the fact that the Amerika of their fantasies has been dead for some time, and will never be resurrected.

    Somewhat different circumstances, but the idea is the same:

    22 1 Scipio, when he looked upon the city as it was utterly perishing and in the last throes of its complete destruction, is said to have shed tears and wept openly for his enemies. 2 After being wrapped in thought for long, and realizing that all cities, nations, and authorities must, like men, meet their doom; that this happened to Ilium, once a prosperous city, to the empires of Assyria, Media, and Persia, the greatest of their time, and to Macedonia itself, the brilliance of which was so recent, either deliberately or the verses escaping him, he said:
    A day will come when sacred Troy shall perish,
    And Priam and his people shall be slain.1

    1 Iliad VI.448 9.

    -POLYBIUS , THE HISTORIES,Fragments of Book XXXVIII, p389*.html

    Me? I ain’t shedding any tears for any stinking state!

  18. Sean says:
    @Abdul Alhazred

    Anyone who wants to stage a preemptive nuclear attack wouldn’t say so beforehand. No-one can come up with a scenario in which Britain would ever first use nukes, so refusing to rule it out is simply the practice of confronting potential aggression with uncertain consequences though being slow to say what you will do, and never saying what you won’t.

    Lets be clear: the British nukes are out in subs and if they got the coded order to fire off a first use strike (for some reason we cannot yet imagine) the Trident captain and crew would obey the command. Any statement to the contrary made by some politician on BBC radio years before is going to be bloody irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Abdul Alhazred
  19. Sean says:

    Fisk writes as if the current US president’s puny actions are the cause of wars and despotism all around the globe, although many like the Yemen have seen the same sides fighting for five decades, wich an altered cast of outside help. They are are rooted in local conditions, all these things Fisk is complaining about. He sometime talks as if the Middle east would settle down in a trice without the US. But America is just a country, big and strong, but still in need of allies.Even if America decided to withdraw from all involvement, It cannot halt others’ interventions in local conflicts by washing US hands clean. Fisk implies otherwise.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Bill
    , @annamaria
  20. I must disagree with Fisk on a number of his statements and to my surprise and chagrin he sounds almost unhinged in his article. Excuse me, but the misogynist claim is just too juvenile and so terribly, terribly boring. And those admittedly predominately Muslim countries from whom Trump wishes to ban immigration — they are also countries (with the exception of Iran, and we all know why it is on the list) which have no effective governments (thanks in good measure to policies of these United States), as a result there is very little background information available to our immigration officials for anyone wishing to come here from one of those countries. Wanting to find an improved ‘vetting’ process for such an individuals is prudent.

    I found Trump’s rhetoric about the ‘alleged’ chemical weapons use in Syria troubling to say the least. His authorization to bomb that airport though seemed like a pinprick action (to my delight) and appeared to be an action to shut up his critics. I’m unsure if that is so, of course.

    Trump’s tweeting is not ‘crazed’. It is his only means to get out his own message as an extremely hostile and biased news media is not going to do it.

    It is very hard to know what is true and what is not true anymore. I don’t think Fisk in this possesses the truth anymore than the rest of us.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  21. @Gleimhart

    This site gets more anti-American by the day.

    Which America you talkin about? The one it’s become or the one in your dreams?

    If you loved what America is supposed to stand for, you’d also be against what it’s become.

    You want a pity party er sumpin? Go elsewhere.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  22. I’m looking forward to seeing the cockroach Ivanka Trump being prosecuted for War Crimes…

    • Agree: Stephen R. Diamond
  23. @Logan

    Indeed, why not the North Pole if you are aspiring to be an obscurely oracular pundit.

  24. Agent76 says:

    Apr 22, 2017 How Reality Is Being Manufactured

    Apr 9, 2017 No More

  25. nsa says:

    Good to see the vile jooie trolls (((naroberg, seanstein, gleimowitz))) showing up early today to defend their butt boy, Der Swampster. You lads ever worry about the white and black trash masses catching on to you IzzyFirster traitors?

  26. Crackpot?


    Where am I? The Guardian? What is this leftist trash? What has happened to Unz? This place was one of the last ones.

    • Replies: @Anonymous White Male
  27. Moi says:

    C’mon, Trump filed for bankruptcy FOUR times!

  28. Rurik says:

    Yet the moment he fires 59 missiles at Syria after more than 60 civilians die in an apparent chemical attack which he blames on Assad – but none after far more are massacred by a Syrian suicide bomber – even Angela Merkel takes leave of her senses and praises Trump, along with the Matron of Downing Street, Signora Mogherini and sundry other potentates. Hasn’t someone cottoned on to the fact that Trump is now taking America into a shooting war?

    Well Fisk, having been pontificating about Middle Eastern issues for quite a long time, haven’t you cottoned to the fact that Merkel and the “Matron of Downing Street” and all the rest of these whores of the Zio-West are nothing more than quislings for the international PTB (Rothschild/Soros, et al)?

    I mean how ******** dumb can you be not to know that it’s Israel that wants Assad out, and that just like with Saddam and Gadhafi and all the rest, it is Israel’s bidding that is getting done here with all these serial and myriad atrocities and war crimes. Duh fucking duh!

    And if Merkel and May and the entire length and breath of the CIA controlled msm are finally happy about something Trump did, then it’s only because what he did pleases the Likudicks in Israel. Duh.

    For a man of Fisk’s stature in the realm of journalism to pretend that Merkel and May are acting the way they are independent of nefarious banking/war mongering/Zio-forces in the Western world is what is truly preposterous. Note to Fisk, Merkel and May are controlled, just like that other little bitch of Zion, Toady Blair.

    What would Mr. Fisk make of this video I wonder. A remarkable coincidence?!

    When Fisk pretends that there’s no comprehensible reason for why the NYT all in the sudden gushes over Trump once he starts bombing Israel’s foes, then you know it’s all just dishonest blather.

    Perhaps Mr. Fisk is simply ‘smart’ enough to understand the score, and like all intellectual whores, use his pen to obscure the truth, and please the PTB, rather than tempt them like Dr. Udo Ulfkotte did. Eh Robert?

    As for N. Korea, whenever you want to understand the id of the Zio-Fiend, just look to this guy

    “The North Koreans — this very erratic, unstable regime — may soon have the capability to harm us directly,” Bolton said in an interview with John Catsimatidis that aired Sunday on New York’s AM 970

    when Bolton says “harm *us* directly”, he isn’t talking about the US now is he?

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  29. @Sean

    The WWII occupation troops never left.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  30. @quercusalba

    I speak four languages, it is amazingly simple in these internet times, by comparing ‘news’, to find out, not always dead sure, what the truth is.

    On MH370 I still do not have more than suspicion, the USA again, the plane carried two groups of Chinese technicians experts in making planes invisible for radar.
    The control of the plane was taken from the crew, from the outside, this is nowadays possible with any modern plane, on sept 11 there was a problem.
    I suppose this failure led to some improvements.

    MH17, someone leaked a secret Australian report, Ukraine used passenger jet flights as human shields for their bombers.
    A BUK was nevertheless fired, dit not hit an Ukrainian bomber, but a passenger flight.
    Dutch prime minister the afternoon of the carnage made a very secret phone call to his vice prime minister, the call had to be over a land line, the vice was so stupid to state in public, ‘because the Russians should not be able to listen to the call’.
    At that moment officially Rutte, prime minister, knew nothing about the cause.
    The only conclusion possible for me is that he did know, and told Asscher, vice, that the Russians should be blamed.

    Once one has understood who perpetrated sept 11, resulting in a very cynical view on politics, Ockam’s Razor often gives the truth.

  31. Rurik says:

    The last American occupation troops did not leave Germany until the 1930′s.

    they never left..

    they’re still there

    how many US military bases are there on German soil today?

  32. Rurik says:

    Even if America decided to withdraw from all involvement, It cannot halt others’ interventions in local conflicts by washing US hands clean. Fisk implies otherwise.

    as an American, I’m worried about our hands (souls) being clean

    if you want to go suit up for the IDF and get involved with interventions, then be my guest, but America needs to come home (like Trump promised)

    no more wars for Israel

    wouldn’t you agree Sean?

    • Replies: @Sean
  33. Sam Shama says:

    Although some of Trump’s actions appear erratic, the much loftier and worthy goal of fixing and rebuilding the world remains intact.

    Trump and Pence are good men, their qualities, underestimated by many.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Druid
  34. Che Guava says:

    battle for Korea … Trump, in his vague, frightening way, has decided that Southeast Asia will be his real …

    [Truman’s] crowning wartime achievement was also in Southeast Asia: the atom-bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    I never knew that Japan and the Koreas were in south-east Asia.

    Are the winters a collective delusion? Does it mean that parts of Russia and China are the only places in north-east Asia or even that there *is* no north-east Asia?

    Oh no!

  35. Biff says:

    Little geography lesson for Fisk – Hiroshima is not in Southeast Asia.

  36. Mark Green says: • Website

    Fisk should have mentioned Trump’s special affection for Israel and his unconditional support of Israeli militarism and Israeli brutality. This is key.

    Zio-Washington’s double-standards vis-a-vis Israel are at the root of ongoing US lawlessness. No bilateral arrangement in our nation’s history epitomizes this moral/political fraud better. Washington’s ‘unshakable’ alliance with the Zionist entity is artificial. Americans do not benefit by this arrangement. In fact, the opposite is true. Yet no one says a word. It’s taboo.

    Fragile, dubious myths involving US (and Israeli) exceptionalism endure and in plain view; this despite the fact that America (the ‘proposition nation’) is wedded to the ideas of ‘Equality’ and ‘Freedom’.

    Sure we are–except when it doesn’t suit us; except when it doesn’t suit Israel.

    Thus, enforced inequality is just peachy in Israel. And American supremacism is how Washington implements its foreign policies. Zio-Washington decides.

    Thus, when it comes to defending the rights and interests of Palestine or Iran or Syria, principles involving freedom, equality and sovereignty are sidelined. And any references to ‘existential threats’ are reserved for you-know-who. It’s a one-way street.

    Lesser peoples and ‘bad’ countries are not entitled to invoke their own interests and entitlements. Israel on the other hand, always is.

    Indeed, Trump’s preemptive missile attack on Syria is a great example of Zio-American privilege and Zio-American lawlessness. Legal restraints are for other nations. Not Zio-America. When Zio-Washington gets upset, Zio-Washington gets to invade and bomb sovereign states, even though these same states have not attacked us.

    Washington has not only become ‘the world’s policeman’, but the world’s judge and jury.

    Both the UN Charter and the Geneva Convention however identify aggressive war (including a ‘first strike’) as the supreme international crime. Shouldn’t this matter?

    Double-standard are nevertheless used routinely by Israel and Washington. This allows them to initiate serial warfare that lacks a clear legal foundation. It’s all ad hoc. It subverts the rule of law.

    And our pro-Zionist MSM sanitizes this conduct and worldview.

    Special counties (and we know who they are) are therefore not bound by cumbersome restrictions that were designed to prevent war, expansion and aggression. Feelings and ‘outrage’ now matter more. This is part and parcel of Zio-American exceptionalism. Laws and ethics have been downgraded to accommodate political objectives and feelings.

    This is why Trump’s anti-Assad ‘outrage’ (and subsequent missile attack) did not focus on aggressive war or the unjustified killing of civilians. Because if it did, Zio-Washington would be caught with its own pants down.

    Instead, Trump got weepy over the type of weapons used to kill civilians–not the slaughter itself.

    After all, we ‘good guys’ kill civilians all the time. And in massive quantities.

    The flimsy moral principle underlying Trump’s strike on Syria strike is this:

    Gas is uncool. But missiles are perfectly fine.

    Gas, remember, is reminiscent of the Holocaust. And that’s a no-no!

    Hidden within this fake moral paradigm is the message to always respect Jewish taboos (!) when initiating violence. Kill properly.

    These ethical distinctions however are politicized and empty. Murder is still murder. Aggression is still aggression. When will Zio-Washington take a look in the mirror?

    This declining level of moral thinking undermines real legal principles. Possessing nuclear weapons (and threatening to use them) has become ‘OK’ for exceptional nations but ‘evil’ when bad (anti-Israel) nations follow suit. And it’s Zio-Washington alone that gets to decide which is which and who is who.

    This chicanery confers unique privilege. Our Zionized media gives cover to this fraud.

    Fisk does correctly note that Trump is being steered into a pattern of malevolent neoconservatism. This means war. Ironically, as Trump reverses the stated policies and goals that got him elected (and in the direction of neocon aggression) the MSM has done a similar about-face (supporting Trump).

    Trump is finally ‘acting presidential’!

    These deceptions and grotesque fairy tales benefit global militarists, government careerists, and of course, Zionists.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Rurik
  37. Che Guava says:
    @jilles dykstra

    . . . and ROFL at Sean’s

    did not leave Germany until the 1930′s.

    That is so strange, a typo can’t explain it.

    Alternative reality?

  38. The NeoCohen Spherial Cow Symmetrical Implosion Orange Head Glow Suicide Club!!!!

    How do you day this in Russian?

  39. Che Guava says:


    I was just going to press ‘Agree’, but your last sentence mystifies me.

    Bolton was, as usual, talking out of his arse, but assuming sincerity on his part (with great strain), which *us* do you think he meant?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @S2
  40. @War for Blair Mountain

    The NeoCohen Fat Boy Trump Spherical Cow Symmetrical Explosion Orange Day Glow Shockwave Suicide Club!!!!…topped off with the Slovenian Slut’s SCRUMPTIOUS CHOCOLATE CAKE!!!!

  41. @Antonin Chigurh

    Since I have been reading Utz, there have always been articles posted by leftist authors. I don’t think Steve Sailer or the others agree with them. I think it is a know your enemy kind of thing.

  42. @jacques sheete

    What is America “supposed” to stand for and when was this agreed upon by anyone? Facts, remember. Not your “opinion”.

    • Troll: jacques sheete
  43. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    Although some of Trump’s actions appear erratic, the much loftier and worthy goal of fixing and rebuilding the world remains intact.

    tikkun olam = stealing the Golan Heights?

    who knew?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  44. Rurik says:
    @Che Guava

    which *us* do you think he meant?

    Hey Che,

    when someone like Bolton says ‘they directly threaten us’

    you can take it to the bank that the “us” he’s referring to is Israel

    us, the Jews 😉

    he purports to mean the American people, but anyone on the planet who knows the first thing about Ziocons like Bolton, know damn well he’d see virtually every single American goyim ground up into the dirt rather that see one fingernail on one Jewish hand suffer harm.

    N. Korea does not threaten America or our interests. If anything, it threatens its neighbors. And if so, then our trading partner China could effectively deal with it.

    the only reason N. Korea is in the crosshairs is because somehow Israel considers it a threat

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  45. Syria and Hizbollah represent resistance to Israel and its client state, the USA. So when Trump attacked Syria he was immediately praised by the ziocohen controlled American media and Congress who have consistently placed Israeli interests ahead of American interests. This is by no means a new development in world affairs and I am surprised that Fisk is surprised. I’m guessing that the only folks who were really shocked were the people who believed what Trump said during his campaign about the uselessness of US intervention in the Middle East and how he was going to change US policy….

  46. Sam Shama says:

    Why spew the common nonsense?

  47. Socrates says:

    American slaves, wake up and run for the mountains!

  48. Rurik says:
    @Mark Green

    Fisk should have mentioned Trump’s special affection for Israel and his unconditional support of Israeli militarism and Israeli brutality. This is key.

    it isn’t only ‘key’ Mark. It’s the frothing, slathering gorilla in the living room tossing hand grenades and breaking bones.

    And yet Fisk, whose very identity is undistinguishable from Western (British) based, Middle Eastern journalism ~ can not mention it.

    How the f are people supposed to get a glimmer of the things you (heroically) write about when the very people who are trusted to keep the West informed- would rather use their skills and position to specifically and methodically mislead and dissemble and obscure- by design?

    You’re too kind to these intellectual whores Mark, imho.

    When Fisk writes about Trump’s, (and Merkel’s and May’s) murderous treachery and folly in the Middle East by not mentioning *why* any of it is happening, he reminds me of Walter Duranty writing about the Soviet Union, and the ornery resistance to the agricultural reforms by certain classes of well-to-do peasants, who were just too greedy to understand the greatness of Stalin and his vision.

    IOW they’re nothing but professional liars and shills for the PTB. Period. And should be called out as such. No?

  49. Fuzzy says:

    My hopes for détente under Trump were obviously a pipe dream. He folded like a cheap lawn chair.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @jacques sheete
  50. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    Why spew the common nonsense?

    you mean how the whole nightmarish holocaust of Eternal War and strife and horrors writ large in the Middle East today are mostly a consequence of Zionist $ubversion of our governments and media?

    and that destroying Iraq and Libya and Syria (eventually Iran, Lebanon, etc..) are all part of a transparent agenda to remake the greater Levant into a giant concentration camp a la Palestine?

    that ‘common nonsense’?

    or is it common knowledge?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  51. I really doubt whether seeing pictures of dead Syrian children had anything to do with the decision to bomb the Syrian airfield.

    Fake news is at its best when it seems almost plausible. In reality no candidate for leader of the free world since the time of King Herod would lose a moment of sleep over killing a few Syrian children. Remember Trump even succeeded in killing an American child in Yemen.

    Trumpie, you’re doing a heckuva job.

  52. wayfarer says:

    Not a peep out of turncoat traitor Trump regarding “9/11 truth.” The deafening silence on this matter as-well-as other harsh issues facing rank-and-file Americans and the western world, speaks volumes.

    Now we’ve got masked gangs of ANTIFA punks running roughshod like spoiled brats and being handled with kid gloves, as law enforcement is ordered by owned politicians, to stand down.

    The self-serving globalist “elite” (~0.01%) and their Zionist trust fund baby financiers continue to engineer civil war, as revolutionary war would be their worst nightmare.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  53. @Rurik

    Not a concentration camp, just a gigantic destabilised region.
    There access to oil and gas is simple and cheap.
    And as anyone leaves they try to go to Europe, destroy the cultures of the European countries, so that Europe becomes a USA clone, where money reigns.
    One just has to be enough cynical to see it all.

    With me this cynicism began three years after sept 11, when I could no longer fool myself.
    Then the question came ‘how became our saviour of WWII become a rogue state ?’.
    The answer was simple but shocking, Roosevelt was brought into politics in 1932 to wage war for USA world supremacy.

    Charles A Beard published his book on Roosevelt politics in 1946, also the year where the Pearl Harbour investigation took place.
    According to the democrats there had been no Roosevelt conspiracy, the republicans had other ideas.

    Roosevelt needed an attack, he had promised his voters in 1940 ‘that USA boys would nog be sent overseas, unless the USA was attacked’.
    His oil boycott succeeded, Japan attacked when it had oil left for three months.
    The republican ideas have many times been confirmed since then.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  54. @wayfarer

    Warren Buffett, eine der reichsten Personen auf dieser Welt, war es, der den Begriff ?„Finanzielle Massenvernichtungswaffen“ prägte. ??In einem Interview mit der New York Times am 26. November 2006 erklärte er zudem freimütig:

    „Es herrscht Krieg Reich gegen Arm. Es ist meine Klasse, die Klasse der Reichen, ?die den Krieg begonnen hat ?und wir werden diesen Klassenkampf gewinnen“

    Warren Bufett in 2006 ‘there is war between the rich and the poor, we, the rich, will win’.
    Finanzielle Massenvernichtungswaffen: financial WMD’s.
    English is great in short expressions.

    Since the rich buy farms all over the world, especially New Zealand, with own runways, long enough for private jets, one wonders if the rich are sure now about winning.

  55. peterike says:

    Stopped reading at the idiot word “misogynist.” Anyone who uses that word seriously is too pozzed to be trusted on anything, even the time of day.

  56. map says:

    The litmus test for a Trump foreign policy is not disengagement and isolation from the rest of the world.

    It is whether or not such foreign policy is calibrated to undermine the United States from within. Policies like rules of engagement and “war crimes” legal action designed to demoralize and kill US soldiers needlessly or refugee resettlement programs designed to give non-white enemies a fighting chance to kill Americans on their own soil.

    The US projecting power around the world is something that it has always done since WWII. The difference of late, starting under Bill Clinton, was utilizing foreign interventions in a way that deliberately blow back on the United States and are designed to hurt it or the West in general from within.

    So far, we have seen a pivot away from the anti-American foreign interventions of the recent past. Trump has pivoted to Asia which all but guarantees there won’t be any boots-on-the-ground in North Korea. He has attempted to stem the flow of immigrants and refugees, so far, unsuccessfully, but it is still early in the game. Syria has not amounted to anything of note, but at least Trump is not propping up ISIS the way the Obama administration did.

    Remember, that, for America, the enemy is here. It is the Left and its anti-White policies that are the real enemy. So far, I have seen Trump slowly rolling back this anti-Whitism.

  57. Sean says:

    If you want to have clean hands then spend the money you don’t need to live on global famine relief, like Peter Singer the philosopher does and talks about. Individually few do that and I suspect even Singer doesn’t to the extent his ethics would suggest. people die of famine and poverty and we live in luxury in the West : deal with that before droning on a bout some careful military operations. Dropping a few bombs on the airdrome facilities of Assad’s baby killer pilots is hardly dirty war.

    Assad is 100% responsible for this rebellion which started basically because his family had ran the country into the ground,and failing to see that his people really don’t like him very much, he put up the price of basic necessities like fuel. Then he ignored the warnings of Obama’s abortive bombing attempt, and brought in Russia (the Russians only came in after the US seemed impotent) to blast his unmotivated minority army to victory.

    The idea of Israel / US subversion of Syria is a joke. If Israel wanted to oust Assad it could have done it with a mere maneuver within territory Israel already controls: a build up on the Golan , which Assad would have had to match by transferring his army away from fighting the rebels. The US could have overthrown Assad with one air raid on a manufactured pretext at any time.

    Killing killers who hide among the innocent always involves collateral damage so American hands may be less than white, but America hands are clean by comparison with Assad’s hands, which are dripping with the blood of Syrians.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @Rurik
  58. Sean says:

    A lawn chair cannot collapse like that, obviously it was the result of a controlled demolition

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  59. Rurik says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Hallo Jilles,

    what a treat it is to see people from Europe here at the inimitable Unz Review!

    Not a concentration camp, just a gigantic destabilised region.

    well, I guess it’s just a matter of perspective. What Libya or Iraq (or the Palestinian occupied territories) seem like to me are one big open air prison of hopelessness and despair. Wrought with daily horrors and death. At least in a concentration camp the young women might be able to walk the streets without being raped by savages unleashed upon the people, as it seems is the case in Libya. Or blown to bits by CIA/Mossad car bombs like Iraq. Or subjected to random torture, white phosphorous or having their organs harvested like in Gaza.

    But then I guess it depends on the “concentration camp”, since the ones Eisenhower ran for teenage German boys after the war was over are probably as bad as it gets. So perspective in all things, I suppose.

    And as anyone leaves they try to go to Europe, destroy the cultures of the European countries, so that Europe becomes a USA clone,

    that’s what you call a twofer for the Zionists. Such a deal!

    ‘how became our saviour of WWII become a rogue state ?’.


    the US was never your savior Jilles. That’s just the propaganda speaking that all German (and American) children were/are marinated in following that evil war.

    when a nation like America does to a people what American bombers did to cities like Dresden, it’s hardly fitting to refer to such people as saviors. I read accounts where fighter pilots said that after the bombing, when the survivors were fleeing the holocaust, that they’d strafe anything with blonde hair, men women or children. That’s not the talk of a savior, but of a race-hate crazed murderous demon. Remember, at the time Dresden was bombed, the war was effectively already over. They were unleashing genocidal hatred on the German people, not saving them.

    The answer was simple but shocking, Roosevelt was brought into politics in 1932 to wage war for USA world supremacy.

    it goes back farther than that, to Woodrow Wilson’s I.
    and the point was always to secure the founding of the state of Israel.

    he had promised his voters in 1940 ‘that USA boys would nog be sent overseas, unless the USA was attacked’.
    His oil boycott succeeded, Japan attacked when it had oil left for three months.

    you really do have an excellent handle on things Jilles. But you’re not cynical enough yet. 😉

    the fount of treachery starts with the charter of the Federal Reserve Bank, the original treason and betrayal of biblical enormity that has set in motion all of these wars and assorted horrors and atrocities. And threatens to make this century just as bloody and Satanic as the last one, unless we can somehow collectively manage to waylay these Fiends.

    Prost !

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  60. woodNfish says:

    Trump is not a misogynist. He loves and desires women as does any normal man. Mysogynists hate women. “Feminists” are misogynists. Stop buying into the Left’s narration. It is a lie. It is always a lie. That is what they are best at.

  61. woodNfish says:

    This “article” is just more leftist crap from the crappy leftists. There is no truth in it. It is leftist opinion masquerading as fake news.

  62. bluedog says:

    Hmm Assad has a looong way to go to catch up with us, Nam Cambodia Thailand Philippines South America Iran Iraq Libya Syria and all other points on the compass, my your an ass for you don’t even know your own history as you always try to blame others, the mark I presume of a real troll.

    • Replies: @Sean
  63. @Dan Hayes

    I find it interesting that people from America think that Merkel is some sort of crazed loon.

    She’s an incredibly astute, conservative, pious Lutheran politician.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  64. Rurik says:

    The idea of Israel / US subversion of Syria is a joke.

    golly Sean

    you could use that same argument with so many conflicts eh?

    The idea of Israel / US subversion of Iraq is a joke.

    The idea of Israel / US subversion of Libya is a joke.

    it works just the same with them all, huh?

    but then the notorious cowards in the IDF never like to get in harms way now do they, so just like with your hero general Ariel Sharon, they always prefer to stay in safety and get other goons to do their fighting for them, huh?

    Killing killers who hide among the innocent always involves collateral damage so American hands may be less than white

    isn’t that pretty much what Sharon said about the Sabra and Shatila massacre?

    funny how that’s always your modus operendi.. to use false flags to get others to do your fighting for you?

    like the Syrian false flag chemical attacks

    or 9/11

    or getting Druze Phalangist militia to slaughter women and children, lest one of them have a sharp object to fight back with, and pose a threat to a brave IDF soldier, huh?

    I suspect Robert Fisk may even know a little about that proud episode in chronicles of Zio-brave warrior-history.

    • Replies: @Sean
  65. @Rurik

    Had you read earlier posts by me then you would have known that the Balfour declaration was the price Britain had to pay in 1917 in order to avoid capitulation in november 1917.
    You then also would have known that I know that
    Henry Morgenthau, ‘Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story’, New York, 1918
    was just war propaganda.
    Morgenthau’s hatred of Germany I attribute to the German antisemitism that began after the unification in 1870.
    An anti semitism about which one Rothschildt wrote to another ‘the only enemy of jews is jews’.
    ‘From prejudice to destruction’, Jacob Katz, 1980, Cambridge MA says about the same in softer words.
    The Federal Reserve just is an institution.
    What matters is who runs it with what purpose.
    This brings us back to the root of all evil in the USA, the country is still in the second half of the 19th century, it never became democratic, money still rules the USA.
    That this was and is possible I attribute to the lack of any culture in the USA, except hamburgers and oversized cars.
    The USA is not a melting pot, it is stew, all the ingredients still are there.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @jacques sheete
  66. @jilles dykstra

    Don’t be too sure that Trump voters favor this kind of mindless and dangerous violence abroad. On the contrary, for me, my family, and many Trump voters of our acquaintance.

    Many of us voted for trump in part because he was proposing a less belligerent, less unreasonable attitude towards Russia, if not towards Iran. We voted for him because he continually lambasted the US invasions of Iraq and said that the US should stop invading and trying to dictate how other peoples should operate in their countries.

    I don’t think a majority of people who voted Trump OR a majority of people who voted Clinton favors attacking Syria or Iran or Russia. Yet here we are threatening each of them, attacking Assad’s regime to the benefit of Islamists, and encircling& sanctioning & trying to humiliate and impoverish Russia.

    Will check out the Kiwi book you mentioned. Man, that will be some cheerful beach reading 😉

  67. @The White Muslim Traditionalist

    Sure, because she’s such a pious woman, Kohl today got one million euro’s in damages, because the ghost writer of his memoirs published volume four without his permission, with his statements about Merkel like ‘she put the dagger in my back and turned it’.

    In 2001 or so there was a financial scandal in Kohl’s party, Merkel made it public knowledge.
    The other remark was ‘she just has lust for power’, or something like that.
    I suppose now millions of copies of volume four will be sold.

    I also like to recall Merkel’s statement about the huge numbers of immigrants ‘wird Deutschland für immer ändern’, ‘will change Germany forever’.
    As if any German asked for this change, change for which Sarrazin already warned in 2010:
    Thilo Sarrazin, ‘Deutschland schafft sich ab, Wie wir unser Land aufs Spiel setzen’, München 2010

    Sarrazin warned that Germany is destroying itself through the immigration of large numbers of immigrants with low IQ.
    Merkel fired him immediately.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  68. Sean says:

    The US isn’t as moral as it claim but who is? There is a thing called cognitive dissonance .Sounds like you believe the US should stay at home for ever after, because it was solely responsible for all deaths those conflicts, though many had started before US involvement. The lesson of US failure in Vietnam was that military strength was not enough against a opponent that was politically strong, Assad is not strong politically, the majority in Syria opposed him and dispute his inherited police state and even more ruthless army facing a rag tag piecemeal rebellion he would have lost by now without the Russians . The US is supposed to stay out and look on as Russia turns the rebels the US tried to protect into mincemeat and Assad sprays entire villages with poison gas like they were bugs, is it?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  69. @jilles dykstra

    Bro, how did that contradict anything that I just said?

    All the Christian churches advocate taking in migrants, it’s literally in the Bible. In the Qur’an and Hadith we have similar obligations, but they’re more measured.

    • Replies: @Talha
  70. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The more dangerous America’s crackpot President becomes, the saner the world believes him to be.

    What does this mean? That the world is insane and that as Trump spins into greater insanity he becomes more in sync with the prevailing insanity? Prior to the election he seemed to be the peace candidate which is a major reason why he won. Therefore not everyone out there is insane, least of all “the world”. The war hounds are a minority of people who are in a position to publicly lobby for war through their mass media and spread fear and hysteria. The leaders of various countries have more in common with each other than with their own citizens and trade notes on how to keep their rabble in line. This sudden turn towards belligerence and war has taken people by surprise and everyone is puzzled as to what’s really going on.
    The author’s book “Pity the Nation” was a good read.

  71. Rurik says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The Federal Reserve just is an institution.
    What matters is who runs it with what purpose.
    This brings us back to the root of all evil in the USA, the country is still in the second half of the 19th century, it never became democratic, money still rules the USA.

    all too true

    That this was and is possible I attribute to the lack of any culture in the USA, except hamburgers and oversized cars.

    I can’t argue with that too much, and I fully understand the hostility of so many people towards the US of A.

    what’s good about it? Not too much, but there are a few things that are worth mentioning. We still have the First Amendment and free speech. Something most of Euopre are sadly lacking, as you can be tossed in jail for saying 5,999,999 Jews died in gas chambers during the Holocaust, and not the holy number of six million. Here in the states we’re allowed to say it’s 5,999,999 Jews.

    Also we still have the Second Amendment, that is the protector and guarantor of the First.

    Sure, our culture is a open pipe of spiritual sewage gushing out into the rest of the world, but that’s all being done by Hollywood types. Not traditional Americans, who simply want to be left alone.

    most egregious however is the war mongering, and as you mentioned with FDR, (and Wilson and Obama and Trump, etc…) we always vote against the wars, but then always have it foisted upon us by the tribe. (as you mentioned, it’s who owns the Fed).

    Anyways God bless and please keep commenting..

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @jilles dykstra
  72. Talha says:
    @The White Muslim Traditionalist

    Salaam Bro,

    Welcome to UNZ! Are you in the US or Germany? It sounded like you might be German.

    Wa salaam

  73. @Sam Shama

    Why spew the common nonsense?

    You mean like this?

    Sam Shama says: Next New Comment
    April 27, 2017 at 2:19 pm GMT

    Although some of Trump’s actions appear erratic, the much loftier and worthy goal of fixing and rebuilding the world remains intact.

    Trump and Pence are good men, their qualities, underestimated by many.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  74. @Fuzzy

    He folded like a cheap lawn chair.

    Or a really cheap camping toilet.

    • LOL: Talha
  75. @Sean

    A lawn chair cannot collapse like that, obviously it was the result of a controlled demolition

    Which is pretty good evidence that Trump’s collapse was controlled if not altogether pre-determined.

    Gee, I wonder who would do something like that.

  76. bluedog says:

    You have to be nuts the only ones we tried to protect are the head choppers our creation and the sooner the Russians turn them into dog meat the better off the world will be,as far as Assad using gas on his own people post the proof chapter and verse and no bullshit from either the CIA or white helmets will be accepted for none exist, except for propaganda for we have prevented anyone from investigating it or where it came from…

  77. @Talha

    Wa alaikum as-salaam, I’m from a country called the Netherlands, but I’m currently a postgraduate in the United States. Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it.

  78. Sean says:

    Israel would hardly put effort into overthrowing Libyan or Egyptian governments without believing their replacement would be an improvement from Israel’s point of view. It wouldn’t because everyone in those counties hates Israel. I don’t think there is any evidence at all that Israel wants Assad to be overthrown. No Syrian government is going to be anything but hostile to Israel and Syria has nothing Israel wants. Yes Israel would use a wedge on Arabs fighting one another to keep them at it, but it cannot create divisions within a country of between countries out of nothing. For example Iran and Iraq were at war in the 80s and Israel supplied both with arms to keep the war going, but it didn’t create the conflict, which was a Persian versus Arab one with very ancient hational roots- just like the Iranian-Saudi proxy war playing out in Syria.

    As for false flags, as I said it does seem insane for Assad to gas kids right now but Assad and his tiny leadership are very isolated from good advice and they have a proven ability to make incredibly bad decisions. One thing that weighs heavily against a false flag is that the US intelligence could have very professionally faked an attack last year and got a major US airstrike to break the back of Assad before the rebels had been virtually annihilated in the cities. So why a why would Assad use nerve gas now argument cuts both ways.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Sam Shama
  79. @Abdul Alhazred

    Actually its the British!….well they are bloody insane!

    “Muhammed really is most popular baby name in the UK – as is Mohammed, Muhammad…”
    (Reported in The Independent, Monday 1 December 2014).

    So do me a favour, Abdul, old chap: do stop blaming “the British” for what some of their politicians say. You wouldn’t like them to make sweeping generalisations about British people called Mohammed being “bloody insane”, now would you!

    • Replies: @Druid
  80. @jilles dykstra

    An anti semitism about which one Rothschildt wrote to another ‘the only enemy of jews is jews’.
    ‘From prejudice to destruction’, Jacob Katz, 1980, Cambridge MA says about the same in softer words.

    I’d appreciate a source for that quote.

    This brings us back to the root of all evil in the USA, the country is still in the second half of the 19th century,


    Politically that’s probably close to true except for the fact that back then we had at least a few politicians with spines and gonads. Now we just have slithering grubs and the intestinal parasites of swine, e.g. the Swine Large Roundworm, Ascaris suum.

    Morally, it hasn’t even left the Stone Age.

    it never became democratic,

    True and you obviously know more than most Americans do about that. Democracy, in this country, is nothing more than a deeply ingrained fetish. As you probably know, democracy only works in small, homogeneous, MORAL groups otherwise it’s simply mob rule.

    money still rules the USA.

    More precisely, money is the main idol that’s worshipped. The rulers are vicious, sociopathic, corrupt, insatiable, moneyed hyenas and jackals. And they are completely incorrigible.

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  81. Alden says:

    The last American troops left Germany in 1923. The French stayed until 1935 when Hitler forced them out.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Sean
  82. Alden says:

    A French Mayor of a medium sized town was just fined € 2,000 for noting that some of the schools in town are 90% Muslim immigrants. He’s a supporter of Le Pen.

  83. @Rurik

    I have no hostility whatsoever against the USA people in general.
    Several offered me hospitality in their homes.

    What struck me each time was the igorance, the lack of information.
    Local tv is just stupid advertising.
    None of my hosts watched serious tv news, nowhere did I see a serious paper, just something local about engagements, weddings and funerals.

    One of my hosts I presented with the book of Anne Applebaum From West to East, I think the title was, she travelled from the Baltic sea to the Black see.
    He read it, had never realised about so many peoples.
    Even a well traveled more or less well known American I found very ignorant, who reads Readers Digest ?

    A Berkeley assistant professor asked me what I knew about the Civil War, at the time, end of the seventies, very little, but when I explained to him that Europe had been wars galore, so why would I know much about an American war, he was shocked.

    My strong objections are against USA society as a system, that allows a tiny minority to run foreign policy at their pleasure, at the cost, expense and blood of others, USA citizens and far more foreign citizens.
    The death rate American soldiers against foreign casualties was calculated by Anatol Lieven as one to fifty.

    On Okinawa is was 7000 USA soldiers against 100.000 Japanese soldiers and 40.000 civilians.

    Being a social democrat it abhors me that the USA always has abundant money for death and destruction but seems incapable of providing decent affordable health care for all its citizens;

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  84. @jacques sheete

    The Rothschildt letter,
    in one of the two following books.
    Both books now are not where I am right now.
    In about three weeks time I could check.

    Ismar Schorsch, ‘Jewish Reactions to German Anti-Semitism, 1870 – 1914’, New York 1972

    Fritz Stern, ‘Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire’, New York, 1977.

    Both are written by jews, you should read both in order to understand the emergence of anti semitism in Germany after 1870.
    Who morally is to blame, one can debate for a very long time.

    In any case my idea is that jews behaved stupidly, the Schorsch book explains abundantly how jews in articles, books and creating organisations tried to show they were not to blame.

    That agreement among jews, even that was not realised, about the blame, would change nothing about the feelings of ‘real’ Germans, never seems to have occurred to them.

    One sees the same attitude now when Israel is critisized.

  85. @Alden

    If you refer to the occupation of the Ruhr area by Belgian and French troops, as far as I know they left in 1925.
    Rhineland and Saar is another matter.
    Saar, maybe just after the 1936 election there.
    Rhineland, maybe 1938.

  86. @jilles dykstra

    Many thanks to you, fine sir!

    You appear to be one of the few who seems to have a grip on reality and I find your comments and insights informative and refreshing.

    Please continue to comment here even though the place is sometimes polluted by a few of the usual supercilious state worshiping trolls with trailer park opinions who obviously feel compelled to parrot the usual tiresome propaganda, and who have never learned to question anything.

    • Agree: bluedog
  87. @jilles dykstra

    What struck me each time was the igorance, the lack of information.

    I’m a native, and agree with that. What’s even more shocking is the smug, even hostile resistance to learning anything beyond the National Anthem and such.

    It’s a continuous struggle especially when you’re dealing with people such as you describe such as “professors.”

    There is a locally well known personality, a “professor” of history, who is in great demand here for his presentation of the American Civil War ( poor label that), who disgorges”patriotic” nonsense as nauseating as it is mythical. Listening to one of his talks is as much an exercise of extreme self flagellation on my part as it is mental masturbation on his part yet people practically worship the sappy stuff he spews. There is no point in even attempting to counter what he sez.

    His audiences are completely deaf to anything but self (national) praise. It’s as if nearly the whole nation positively delights in wallowing in prideful ignorance and they turn to the tube for their daily doses of it.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  88. @jilles dykstra

    Both are written by jews, you should read both…

    Orders placed.


    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  89. Bill says:

    Indeed. Nobody ever does anything wrong. How could they?

  90. Rurik says:

    I don’t think there is any evidence at all that Israel wants Assad to be overthrown.


  91. annamaria says:

    Why don’t you simply praise Trump for being obedient to Israel? “Never again,” naro? You should have already noticed that the ordinary Americans are getting to realize that the US has been used as a living host by the paraziotid Israel that needs the US to implement the Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel. It also obvious that the implementation could end up with a glassy Middle East, where Israel would become a heap of ashes. Or you are ready to cry antisemitism, Holocaust, and special victimhood, despite your bloody subhuman ziocons that have arranged the slaughter of millions of human beings in the Middle East?
    Your people are collaborating with ISIS in the struggling Syria and with neo-Nazis in the deteriorating Ukraine. The Israel-firsters have “convinced” the US government to channel the country’ resources towards the wars of aggression in the Middle East – all in the name of Eretz Israel (and war profits). Very moral.

  92. @jacques sheete

    First time in maybe ten years that anyone really wants to read books.
    The wonderful thing about old books is that they’re cheap, easy to get these days, and, most important ‘often history books tell more about the time they’re written than about the time they describe’.
    In other words, they carry the old bias, not the bias of today.

    If you’re interested in Islam
    Reuben Levy, ‘The social structure of Islam’, London, New York, 1931, 1932, 1957, 1971
    Richard Fletcher, ‘Moorish Spain’, Berkeley 1992

    And if you’re interested in other writing about Islam, especially Bernard Lewis, try to find ‘ Lewis dissected’, Sephardic Newsletter.
    Do hope I remember the title well.
    If rabbi David Shasha still runs the site, you can ask him.

  93. annamaria says:

    Lets be precise: the ongoing wars in the Middle East have been planned and pushed by the US/UK ziocons to protect and enlarge the territory of Israel. Both Libya and Syria were doing quite well (particularly Libya) until the ziocon “ameliorators” came to fix the situation in the Middle East. The “big and strong” America and her resources have been used by the tribe to protect their supremacist home of shameless colonizers. Instead of developing trade and cooperation, the US came to the Midde East with weapons of mass destruction. The Israel-firsters cooked the plan for the interventions. Millions died as a result.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  94. annamaria says:
    @Sam Shama

    Well, why don’t you explain the UNZ readers the rationale for Israelis’ collaboration with ISIS? This collaboration is well-documented and it has been discussed in Israeli press.
    So, why does Israel help to and protect ISIS?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Sam Shama
  95. annamaria says:

    China and Russia:
    “…regardless of the circumstances, we will not change our policy of deepening and developing our strategic partnership and cooperation; our policy, based on joint development and prosperity, will not change; and our joint efforts to defend peace and justice and promote cooperation in the world will not change. These were the words of President Xi Jinping.”
    Imagine: crazy US brass wielding various weapons of mass destruction over Europe, Middle East, and Asia. Versus the Silk Road – a net of trade connections between Asia and Europe.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  96. Rurik says:
    @jilles dykstra

    My strong objections are against USA society as a system, that allows a tiny minority to run foreign policy at their pleasure, at the cost, expense and blood of others, USA citizens and far more foreign citizens.

    I can’t argue with that Jilles

    and you’re right about the general ignorance and bovine stupidity of most Americans, but that has been very carefully created by the PTB, who don’t want an educated, thinking populace.

    what was it papa Bush said?

    “if the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts”

    if the American people could think, the results would be the same. If the American people could think and were in possession of a moral soul, then they’d know that wars based on lies should be repudiated and the war criminals brought to justice. But the American sheople have been systematically dumbed down to the point of zombies, infatuated with Kim Kardashian’s ass. Today Idiocracy is a reality. It’s true.

    But, let me just say on behalf of Americans, that I don’t really see it any better across the pond. Sure, the Europeans are better educated, and generally speak at least two languages, and have heard of Yalta and Copernicus, but with all that education, they just don’t seem to me to be any more principled or moral than the zombified Americans.

    Sure, it is the US military that is the biggest bully on the block, but does that excuse the other little bullies that stand behind him and give him moral support? There were French jets bombing Libya just as ferociously as any American ones. The Brits have never seen an act of aggression from the US military that they don’t reverently applaud. And the Germans, whose government goes along with every war crime America commits in principle, are today complicit in a racial supremacist, genocidal holocaust against a completely innocent victim whose only crime is that they existed – in Palestine, on land that some Jewish supremacist coveted for themselves.

    The irony? That these very same Germans feel excruciating and debilitating guilt for a crime that they had nothing to do with, while at the same time facilitating the same crime of genocide today, in their names, by funding and arming and providing “moral” cover for the Zionists.

    So sure, Europeans are far more educated, but seem to fall very short when it comes to using that education to augment a moral foundation for their actions and the actions of their respective governments. There seems to me to be a sort of all-pervasive cowardice in Western Europe, and a Pavlovian, knee-jerk propensity to wallow in prostrate abasement and self-flagellate as soon as anyone says “Holocaust”. Sort of what they used to be able to bludgeon Americans with by the pejorative “racist”, until it became a joke.

    Anyways, yes, we’re ignorant, and bovine and dangerous, but morally, I just don’t see too many paragons of virtue or honor to hold up as examples today. Uruguay perhaps, and I would include Putin’s Russia insofar as he’s trying to put out the fires the Zio-Western-fiend is lighting all over the place, but then he too bolsters their agenda by antagonizing the former Soviet satellite states with ultra-nationalistic chest thumping over the “great war”, (that the Bolsheviks in Russia were mainly responsible for). Note to Putin, let it rest! The great victory that you celebrate in May was a catastrophe for Eastern Europe (and millions of Russians too)

    sorry, I tend to rant at times..

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  97. @jacques sheete

    Houston Stewart Chamberlain, ‘Die Grundlagen des Neunzehnten Jahrhunderts’, 1898- 1907, München

    If you can read German, I can recommend it.
    He was the brother of the 1938 Chamberlain, had a strange youth, attended gymnasia in different European countries.
    He was flabbergasted how the same history was taught differently in different countries.

    I long ago wrote a USA correspondent how European countries considered waging war over the Monroe Doctrine.
    The reply was ‘it is still taught here in glowing terms’, well, in Europe it was seen as colonialism, as many in S America feel they’re still under the USA colonial yoke.
    Eduardo Galeano, ‘Open Veins of Latin America’, Five centuries of the pillage of a continent’, 1971, 2009, Londen.

    Your Civil War, for the liberation of slaves.
    My knowledge is from different books, and of course there were people concerned with slavery.
    But the real reasons were quite different, destroying a cosmopolitan culture in the south, quite different from the NE, for NE hegemony over the whole USA, and demand for industrial labour, slavery does not work in factories.
    The liberated slaves soon found out that they often were worse off, especially in old age, at the plantations they could stay until their deaths.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Sam Shama
  98. @annamaria

    There were allegations that Hillary was prepared to wage an atomic war in Europe.

    • Replies: @Sean
  99. @annamaria

    I was in Syria, 1987 or so.
    Of course it was dictatorial, secret services galore, five it was said.
    But the country was peaceful, not rich, but also not as poor as I experienced India some ten years before.
    Aleppo was the most cosmopolitan city I ever visited, anything accepted, from miniskirts to burka’s.
    The sukh, now destroyed, was wonderful, medieval, happy looking people.

  100. @annamaria

    Maybe already 20 years ago studies appeared in Israel, stating that the destabilisation of the ME was the goal.

  101. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    No. Like these ones:

    jacques sheete says:
    April 27, 2017 at 11:46 am GMT • 200 Words

    Trump, the malleable Chimp, is just the latest iteration of Cleopatra’s monkeys, and the mask is off.

    All the dreamers ought to wake up to the fact that the Amerika of their fantasies has been dead for some time, and will never be resurrected.

    Me? I ain’t shedding any tears for any stinking state!

    Bitterness of such intensity is impossible to miss. If you ain’t shedding tears for no stinkin’ state, you must consider yourself stateless. Who did you support in the last POTUS elections? Are you a communist anarchist?

  102. @jilles dykstra

    Rereading, I do not want to defend slavery, not even in the USA, where it seems to have been far better for slaves than in Brazil

    Herbert Aptheker, ‘Negro Slave Revolts in the United States 1526 – 1860 ‘, New York 1939

    Giorgio Marotti, ‘Black Characters in the Brazilian Novel, Afro-American culture & society monograph series CAAS’, 1987 Los Angelos

  103. Sam Shama says:

    Very good comment, Sean

    • LOL: Rurik
  104. Sean says:

    Thank you for taking the trouble to point out my error, Most embarrassing.

  105. Sean says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The US has contingency plans for nuking in almost every scenario without ever intending to do it. Very different from intending to carry out a nuclear first strike. I would not be surprised if the US has the targeting dating for a nuclear strike on Britain, just in case there was a need someday. But no way would the US ever dream of actually using nuclear weapons in Europe, because no ally country would agree to be a nuclear battlefield and hitting the enemy homeland would mean a nuclear strike on the US mainland in response.

  106. Sam Shama says:

    Israel has a free press in which a great deal of speculation is tolerated, even welcomed. I haven’t seen any articles in any of the major journals, or even in the smaller ones, where Daesh is described as a collaborator.

    To Israeli society’s credit, humour is a normal and common enjoyment, in which spirit, some skits produced – Eretz Nehderet being the most prominent one – portray a darkly humourous relationship between Israeli doctors [and IDF medical corps] and Daesh operating in the Golan.

    So, Israeli med corps will, as modern protocol demands, aid any and all injured.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Druid
  107. Sam Shama says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Egad! Houston Stewart Chamberlain was a neurotic character. I haven’t read his Grundlagen, but Shirer’s description of it is sufficient. Chamberlain wrote in spurts, gripped by a demonic fervour; he says so in his autobiography, Lebenswege, that he was often unable to recognise them as his own work because they surpassed his expectations!

    French scholar of Germanism Edmond Vermeil said Chamberlain’s ideas were essentially ”shoddy.”

    Here is Shirer:


    This son of an English admiral, nephew of a British field marshal, Sir Neville Chamberlain, and of two British generals, and eventually son-in-law of Richard Wagner, was born at Portsmouth in 1855. He was destined for the British Army or Navy, but his delicate health made such a calling out of the question and he was educated in France and Geneva, where French became his first language.

    Between the ages of fifteen and nineteen fate brought him into touch with two Germans and thereafter he was drawn irresistibly toward Germany, of which he ultimately became a citizen and one of the foremost thinkers and in whose language he wrote all of his many books, several of which had an almost blinding influence on Wilhelm II, Adolf Hitler and countless lesser Germans.

    In 1870, when he was fifteen, Chamberlain landed in the hands of a remarkable tutor, Otto Kuntze, a Prussian of the Prussians, who for four years imprinted on his receptive mind and sensitive soul the glories of militant, conquering Prussia and also – apparently unmindful of the contrasts – of such artists and poets as Beethoven, Goethe, Schiller andWagner. At nineteen Chamberlain fell madly in love with Anna Horst, also a Prussian, ten years his senior and, like him, highly neurotic. In 1882, at the age of twenty-seven, he journeyed from Geneva, where he had beer, immersed for three years in studies of philosophy, natural history, physics, chemistry and medicine, to Bayreuth. There he met Wagner who, as he says, became the sun of his life, and Cosima, the composer’s wife, to whom he would remain passionately and slavishly devoted all the rest of his days. From 1885, when he went with Anna Horst, who had become his wife, to live for four years in Dresden, he became a German in thought and in language, moving on to Vienna in 1889 for a decade and finally in 1909 to Bayreuth, where he dwelt until his death in 1927.

    He divorced his idolized Prussian wife in 1905, when she was sixty and even more mentally and physically ill than he (the separation was so painful that he said it almost drove him mad) and three years later he married Eva Wagner and settled down near Wahnfried, where he could be near his wife’s mother, the revered, strong-willed Cosima.

    Hypersensitive and neurotic and subject to frequent nervous breakdowns, Chamberlain was given to seeing demons who, by his own account, drove him on relentlessly to seek new fields of study and get on with his prodigious writings. One vision after another forced him to change from biology to botany to the fine arts, to music, to philosophy, to biography to history. Once, in 1896, when he was returning from Italy, the presence of a demon became so forceful that he got off the train at Gardone, shut himself up in a hotel room for eight days and, abandoning some work on music that he had contemplated, wrote feverishly on a biological thesis until he had the germ of the theme that would dominate all of his later works: race and history.

    Whatever its blemishes, his mind had a vast sweep ranging over the fields of literature, music, biology, botany, religion, history and politics. There was, as Jean Real has pointed out, a profound unity of inspiration in all his published works and they had a remarkable coherence. Since he felt himself goaded on by demons, his books (on Wagner, Goethe, Kant, Christianity and race) were written in the grip of a terrible fever, a veritable trance, a state of self-induced intoxication, so that, as he says in his autobiography, Lebenswege, he was often unable to recognize them as his own work, because they surpassed his expectations.

    Minds more balanced than his have subsequently demolished his theories of race and much of his history, and to such a French scholar of Germanism as Edmond Vermeil Chamberlain’s ideas were essentially ”shoddy.” Yet to the anti-Nazi German biographer of Hitler, Konrad Heiden, who deplored the influence of his racial teachings, Chamberlain ”was one of the most astonishing talents in the history of the German mind, a mine of knowledge and profound

    The book which most profoundly influenced that mind, which sent Wilhelm II into ecstasies and provided the Nazis with their racial aberrations, was Foundations of the Nineteenth Century (Grundlagen des Neunzehnten Jahrhunderts) a work of some twelve hundred pages which Chamberlain, again possessed of one of his ”demons,” wrote in nineteen months between April 1, 1897, and October 31, 1898, in Vienna, and which was published in 1899.

    As with Gobineau, whom he admired, Chamberlain found the key to history, indeed the basis of civilization, to be race. To explain the nineteenth century, that is, the contemporary world, one had to consider first what it had been bequeathed from ancient times. Three things, said Chamberlain: Greek philosophy and art, Roman law and the personality of Christ. There were also three legatees: the Jews and the Germans, the ”two pure races,” and the half-breed Latins of the Mediterranean – ”a chaos of peoples,” he called them. The Germans alone deserved such a splendid heritage. They had, it is true, come into history late, not until the thirteenth century. But even before that, in destroying the Roman Empire, they had proved their worth, ”It is not true,” he says, ” that the Teutonic barbarian conjured up the so-called ’Night of the Middle Ages’; this night followed rather upon the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the raceless chaos of humanity which the dying Roman Empire had nurtured; but for the Teuton, everlasting night would have settled upon the world.” At the time he was writing he saw in the Teuton the only hope of the world. Chamberlain included among the ”Teutons” the Celts and the Slavs, though the Teutons were the most important element. However, he is quite woolly in his definitions and at one point declares that ”whoever behaves as a Teuton is a Teuton whatever his racial origin.” Perhaps here he was thinking of his own non-German origin. Whatever he was, the Teuton, according to Chamberlain, was ”the soul of our culture. The importance of each nation as a living power today is dependent upon the proportion of genuinely Teutonic blood in its population. . . True history begins at the moment when the Teuton, with his masterful hand, lays his grip upon the legacy of antiquity.”

    And the Jews? The longest chapter in Foundations is devoted to them. As we have seen, Chamberlain claimed that the Jews and the Teutons were the only pure races left in the West. And in this chapter he condemns ”stupid and revolting anti-Semitism.” The Jews, he says, are not ”inferior” to the Teuton, merely ”different.” They have their own grandeur; they realize the ”sacred duty” of man to guard the purity of race. And yet as he proceeds to analyze the Jews, Chamberlain slips into the very vulgar anti-Semitism which he condemns in others and which leads, in the end, to the obscenities of Julius Streicher’s caricatures of the Jews in Der Stuermer in Hitler’s time. Indeed a good deal of the ”philosophical” basis of Nazi anti-Semitism stems from this chapter.

    The preposterousness of Chamberlain’s views is quickly evident. He has declared that the personality of Christ is one of the three great bequests of antiquity to modern civilization. He then sets out to ”prove” that Jesus was not a Jew. His Galilean origins, his inability to utter correctly the Aramaic gutturals, are to Chamberlain ”clear signs” that Jesus had ”a large proportion of non-Semitic blood.” He then makes a typically fiat statement: ”Whoever claimed that Jesus was a Jew was either being stupid or telling a lie .. . Jesus was not a Jew.”

    What was he then?

    Chamberlain answers: Probably an Aryan!

    To take Chamberlain’s ideas seriously today is to indulge in a dangerous delusion. On balance, I prefer the refreshing American attitude you call “uninformed” over this all too perilous European “wisdom”. 1939 anyone?

  108. anarchyst says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Your conception of American health care is incorrect. Yes, there are flaws, but ANYONE can walk into an American hospital emergency room and they will be treated REGARDLESS OF ABILITY TO PAY. Even illegal aliens will be treated…
    Patients in countries with “socialized medicine” quite often, have interminable wait times for procedures that are routine here in the USA. Even Canada, our neighbor to the north, has problems with timely availability of services. Canada has first-rate medical personnel, who have to work under the constraints of a public system.
    It is interesting to note, that in most countries with “socialized medicine” there is a two-tier system of treatment…those with private health insurance (or money) can (and do) get better treatment than those who depend on the “public system”.
    In addition, there are life saving drugs that are unavailable in the public system as they are considered “too expensive”…
    Witness Great Britain’s “National Health Service” (NHS) with its NICE (National Institute for Health and Care Excellence), which refuses to pay for certain breast cancer drugs, deeming them to be “too expensive”. One could argue that NICE is a “death panel” relegating those who are unfortunate enough to need care relegated to death.
    Go outside the NHS system to pay for your own care, and the door closes and locks behind you. “NHS has invoked a policy of refusing care altogether to patients who, often upon physician recommendation, choose to pay out-of-pocket for best-available drug treatments”.
    A breast cancer patient in the UK “Found that out the hard way when she tried to buy Avastin out of her own pocket, only to have her doctor inform her that if she did so, she would have to pay for all her treatment.” Yet she has been paying income taxes of 20 to 45 percent for her “government provided free healthcare”.
    American health care needs improvement, but socializing it is not the answer…

  109. Why can’t Trump be more like Putin?

  110. Gleimhart says:
    @jacques sheete

    You haven’t the least clue of my assessment of America. I already DO hate what it has become.

    And where did I ask for a pity party? Show me.

    Your problem is that you read into my comment things I did not say.

    jacques sheete, you are the dictionary definition of presumptuous.

    Don’t ever address me again unless you have something intelligent to offer. Okay?

  111. annamaria says:
    @Sam Shama

    You should be more diligent in your search. Israel has been cooperating with ISIS and the Israeli generals have loudly proclaimed their preference for ISIS over sovereign Syria.

    And please spare us your lecturing on special moral qualities of IDF and Israelis at large. Listen to your bloody Shaked; she is a Minister of Justice in your morally-lost lands:
    “Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza:”
    The ongoing blood bath in the Middle East (millions died) is directly related to Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel:

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  112. @Sean

    I think you are underestimating the utter evil and horror of such a pronouncement which is an act of war and terrorism that is and has been standard operating practice of the British Empire. There are two operative words at play “Gunboat Diplomacy” where the emphasis is upon a canon in the face. Boom Baboom, but that’s not gunpowder, nor iron ball, but a big flash of a sun exploding…

    But there are those who think they can have a limited nuclear war
    And “The Bitch Set Him Up!”

    Yeah its LaRouche, he is the only one who called this, Donny doing the 180, and why because Trump invoked the American System of Economics and was ready for peace with Russia and China and because the DEAL, the real deal, the only Deal is the invitation by the The Chinese and Russians as concerns the New Silk Road and One Belt Initiatives, which Lyndon and Helga Zepp LaRouche and associates are noted architects of this strategic move that would end British Empire Geopolotics

  113. Sam Shama says:

    You remind me of someone I can’t quite remember this moment, flitting hither and thither, the busy little bee, nary a thought to what they are actually reading.

    Take e.g., the Daily Mail article you deposited, apparently a bolster for you claim. The Mail piece headlines say:

    Saving their sworn enemy: Heartstopping footage shows Israeli commandos rescuing wounded men from Syrian warzone – but WHY are they risking their lives for Islamic militants?
    ++ Elite Israeli troops rescue wounded Syrians from the world’s worst war almost every night

    ++They have saved more than 2,000 people since 2013, at a cost of 50 million shekels (£8.7million)

    ++Many are enemies of Israel and some may even be fighters for groups affiliated to Al Qaeda

    ++MailOnline embedded with Israeli commandos stationed on the border between Israel and Syria

    ++Dramatic video filmed by MailOnline and the Israeli army shows these operations taking place

    ++Israel says that the operation is purely humanitarian but analysts believe Israel also has strategic reasons

    Go on, read the whole damned article. Take it from one of the victims, Ahmed, treated by IDF medical corps:

    The casualties lavished praise on Israel:

    ‘I will not fight against Israel in the future. Israel looks after wounded people better than the Arabs. The Arabs are dogs,’ said a wiry rebel fighter who gave his name as Ahmed, 23, who was recovering from a gunshot wound to the groin.

    This is overwhelmingly what Israel is doing there. At most, what you twist and label a collaboration, is the realpolitik behind Israel’s work in this regard, to form an alliance of convenience, such that rockets are not launched into Israel, especially in the North. And why shouldn’t she?

    You start your post, as usual, by instructing me to be more diligent in my readings. As I note that proposal with the seriousness it deserves, I take the occasion to remind you that you adopt the same attitude more broadly, as exempli gratia, when you bake goods, not inflict your male relatives with cordite when the bite was expectant of a sweet morsel.

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  114. S2 says:
    @Che Guava

    “which *us* do you think he meant?”

    So if you meet me
    Have some courtesy
    Have some sympathy, and some taste
    Use all your well-learned politesse
    Or I’ll lay your soul to waste, mm yeah

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, mm yeah

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  115. annamaria says:
    @Sam Shama

    “This is overwhelmingly what Israel is doing there.”
    Then why had not the Israelis’ medics followed their “moral values” and rushed to save Palestinian children when the “most moral “ IDF had been slaughtering the tightly-packed civilian population in Israel-occupied Gaza?
    “Of the Palestinian fatalities, 551 were children and 299 women. 11,231 Palestinians were injured including 3,436 children and 3,540 women, 10 percent of whom suffer permanent disability.” Again, why the Israelis risk their lives to save ISIS “freedom fighters?”
    As for Israel’s collaboration with ISIS, there are other links:
    The collaboration explains this revelation: “ISIS Apologized To Israel For Attacking IDF Soldiers”
    “You can assume that these terrorists are fighting for Israel. If they aren’t part of the regular Israeli army, they’re fighting for Israel. Israel has common goals with Turkey, the United States, France, Britain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other countries,” Ynet quoted Assad…” Sounds logical.

    On your sweet morsel of moral relativism: “…what you twist and label a collaboration, is the realpolitik behind Israel’s work in this regard…”
    For some time, the state of Israel was hailed as a “moral” project. Here is one of the minor facts to dispel the nonsense:
    “Israelis sit on a hill to watch air strikes on Gaza, some bring drinks and snacks as they cheer the explosions a few miles away.” Never again, in short.
    Meanwhile the warmongering Kagans’ clan has got into collaboration with neo-Nazis:
    Here is an Israeli citizen who was involved in financing the neo-Nazis thugs that burned the scores of civilians alive in Odessa. The ziocons-run Wall Street Journal wrote a flattering article on the bloody Kolomojsky who also used to be a leader of Jewish community in Ukraine:
    Not a peep from Israel and the “righteous” Jewish organizations, which invoke the memory of Holocaust to nick any criticism of Israel, but which are dead silent in the case of ziocons’ collaboration with neo-Nazis. Your post calls this “realpolitic.” Nothing to look at… Though, how much have Jewish victims of WWII extracted from Germany for “moral sufferings and more?”

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Druid
  116. Che Guava says:

    Hello Rurik.

    Having thought about it, there are a few, but I will not list the others.

    The real and plausible threat (anybody knowing about the effects of nuclear weapons will know about the effects of US stratospheric tests of megaton weapons in the early ’60s and understand) is beyond the technical capabilities of the DPRK.

    Their atomic bombs, on seismic data, are all damp fizzers. They don’t have the lift to do maximum economic damage, either.

    They do seem to have the capacity to sink an attacking carrier battle group or two with conventional weapons.

    I would assign the highest probability, for ZOG USA, to the confrontation with Nth. Korea just being a shadow-play aimed at Iran.

    I vaguely recall the Izzy government being good buddies with DPRK.

    Will add one digression that is of interest, in old, turn-of-last century photos of party conferences in the DPRK, several officials in military uniform are cleary from former Warsaw Pact places, or from the USSR, but I have never seen an article to mention it.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  117. annamaria says:

    “Wikileaks Founder and Editor-in-Chief Julian Assange joins the Liberty Report [with Ron Paul] to discuss the latest push by the Trump Administration to bring charges against him and his organization for publishing US Government documents:”

  118. Sam Shama says:

    The usual dribblings.

    You manage to get the Kagans inserted in there somehow, although miss Nudelman (is that it?).

    Reading your posts are similar to tolerating the tiresome, repetitive adverts which plague television these days, mostly peddling shaky pharmaceuticals. You ought to end or preface each with the usual disclaimers on side effects, which in this case are mostly benign and somnambulic in effect.

    As to Gaza, I only remark that rocket attacks on Sderot will elicit a response; so that the cure is simple: stop the rockets.

    As to realpolitik, my comment pertained to ISIS in Syria; that Israel does what she can to prevent the lunatics from sending rockets to Northern Israel. But feel free to twist it to your heart’s content and somehow link it to ….Gaza!! There are no realpolitik interests in Gaza; do get that through your head.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @annamaria
  119. Rurik says:
    @Che Guava

    Hey Che,

    I would assign the highest probability, for ZOG USA, to the confrontation with Nth. Korea just being a shadow-play aimed at Iran.

    I just read something from one of the commenters here (Kiza) that the saber-rattling at DPRK is a less than oblique threat to Russia and China, as the need for Rothschild, et al- to exercise absolute and unilateral domination of the entire planet is growing to an event horizon type imperative. (I’m not quoting, but I think that’s the gist)

    and that’s as good of an analysis as I’ve seen yet, and it’s consistent with everything I know about human nature and history and everything I know about Rothschild, et al

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  120. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    stop the rockets.

    then stop the occupation

    – and murder and theft and oppression and torture and daily horrors and humiliations

    simple it’z Sammy ; )

    just join the human race!

  121. Caterina says:

    Fisk = another idiot looking for relevance.

    These people need to shut their pie holes and stop seeking to be lauded by the masses.

  122. annamaria says:
    @Sam Shama

    “There are no realpolitik interests in Gaza…”
    Because the illegally occupied Gazans are defenseless, like dwellers of the former ghettos in Europe?
    By the way, why are you taking everything personally in my posts and then insert some cheap childish insults into every response-comment, instead of answering point by point to the documented facts?
    One of the main points of my posts is the congruence of ziocons’ policies in the Middle East with Oded Yinon plan. Another point is the incongruence of Israelis’ pretense on being in possession of superior morality (this one always goes with references to Holocaust) in the context of the extraordinary influence of Israel-firsters on making military decision by the US/NATO in the Middle East. You have been steadily avoiding these two points, as if you have some case of cognitive blindness. Though to be fair, you did utter something about realpoitic (moral relativism, in other words) being factored in Israel’s policies. But if you recognize this relativism, then your tribe should stop pestering Germans, reminding them again and again about their guilt. It is over. Israel’s policies, beginning with the open terrorism in the 30-s and 40-s and up to the promoting the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East, have already concealed any pretense on victimhood. Whether in Europe, damaged by the influx of refugees from the ME and of low-IQ migrants from sub-Saharan Africa, or in the US, irritated by the price for the illegal wars in the ME, the citizenry is taking on a rather sour attitude towards the Lobby and other Friends of Israel. The floods of refugees (of various kinds) make a point for the populace. The cause of the wars and the Israel-firsters’ efforts towards initiating these wars have been under discussion. The Israel-firsters love their mythological fatherland so much that they put the well-being of their countries of residence second to Israel. Not good for national policies.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  123. Che Guava says:

    Thanks for the link and amusing comment.

  124. Druid says:
    @Sam Shama

    You Ziofascists are so predictable!

  125. Druid says:
    @Sam Shama

    It also has apartheid, land theft, a large concentration camp called Gaza, extrajudicial murders, crazy fundamentalist psycho settlers, supporters like you, amoral gambler supporters all over the US, etc., etc.

  126. Druid says:

    What do you expect from Ziofascists like Sam et al

  127. Druid says:

    Rant away. Makes complete sense!

  128. Che Guava says:

    Hello Rurik.

    Have you read the Illuminatus! trilogy? I have, twice, once before and once after struggling through Anna Rosenbaum’s Atlas Shrugged.

    It was better the second time, because it is partly a parody of Ayn Rand.

    It is dirty hippy material, but it is fun.

    All of these ideas, the Rothschilds, the Brit. Royal family, etc. do it all, they work even less than the Protocols of the Elders, which seems to be a template for reality, and the claims for it to just to being malicious fake are on very shallow foundations.

    Sure, I have no doubt that the Rothschild clan is mainly evil, but I do not see any sense in ideas that they have some solo supevillain role.

    If you have not read the book(s), it was originally published in three, I recommend, it should make you laugh at times.

  129. Sam Shama says:

    There are no points in this post I haven’t rapiered in the past, and they are in the archives; the only novelty, pitiable and new-found, in the form of a pseudo-knowledgeable assertion of “low IQ sub-Saharan immigrants” doesn’t deserve any lengthy rejoinder, only laughter.

  130. Rurik says:

    Hey Che,

    It is dirty hippy material, but it is fun.

    sounds good to me

    I took a quick look at it- sounds like a cross between Hunter Thompson’s Fear and Loathing.. with something from David Icke.

    I’ve read most of Rand’s stuff when I was young, and I confess to liking some of it, but I was never a ‘Randian’ or ‘Objectivist’, as I found her philosophy flawed and contradictory.

    But there were some things she said that I did like very much.

    “Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked: ‘Account Overdrawn.’”

    Protocols… …malicious fake are on very shallow foundations.

    I agree Che. I don’t think it matters much whether or not the Protocols were a fraud. When you read them, they read like a template that has been in effect for at least a century now. Perhaps much longer. What I find particularly troubling about them is the way they speak so contemptuously about the ‘beast-like minds of the goyim’ never really being capable of comprehending the Elder’s treachery. Like the goyim are too thick and bovine to see what’s right in front of their faces. That part I struggle with because it just seems too true for comfort.

    but I do not see any sense in ideas that they have some solo supevillain role.

    the supper-villain role boils down to control of the money. By being in control of the money (credit, interest rates, supply, etc..), they’re able to control just about everything else. And then you combine that with their (Khazar / Judaism) ancient proclivities towards uber-tribalism, ethnocentrism and Old Testament hatred for surrounding tribes and the mandate to suppress, loot, enslave and then genocide them all, and you get what we’ve got today. Jews are not an evil people, but they’re all raised to always consider ‘what’s best for the Jews’. And so they don’t get memos about ‘don’t encourage conspiracies about what happened on 9/11, because it might not be ‘good for the Jews’, rather they just intuitively know things. Like the destruction of Saddam’s Iraq was ‘good for the Jews’, because they allow men like Bibi to act as sort of ‘king of the Jews, and they all fall in line. Ask most Jews if getting rid of Saddam Hussein was a good thing, and most of them (even the liberals and reform Jews) will answer in the affirmative.


    thanks for the heads up on the books. I’ll look for them now.

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  131. Sam Shama says:

    [Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced]

    Prove it.

    They pain me, these accidental encounters with Randism!

    In a famine, you have all the gold and I have all the grain. Which one is wealth?

    In a digital economy, you have all the gold and I have all microchips which run the computers. Which one is wealth?

    Gold is intrinsically a worthless metal; valuable as a policy instrument only when a sufficiently large populace considers it so. As a monetary standard, it is insufficient; even Murray Rothbard, notable economist of the Austrian school understood this, leading him to endorse monetary expansion independent of gold, as the appropriate policy for the 1920s economy.

    Rand’s work? As frugally one needs speak of it, the less intense pain from boredom.

  132. Rurik says:

    [Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced]

    Prove it.

    I don’t have to Sam. Any idiot can tell you that gold has an objective value. Has since the beginning of time. Duh.

    In a famine, you have all the gold and I have all the grain. Which one is wealth?

    that’s a lifeboat hypothetical. You could take it one further and include guns and ammunition. If you have all the grain, but I have all the guns and ammo, when which one is wealth?
    {ask the Kulaks about that one Sam}

    Gold is intrinsically a worthless metal;

    Jesus Christ Sam, thou doth protest too much. Gold has been of coveted value for thousands upon thousands of years. It’s even been worshiped for its unique and beautiful characteristics.

    Even today, in spite of relentless efforts of Rothschild and co. (the Fed) to use ETFs to short its value on the commodity exchanges, it still will cost you over a thousand Fecal Reserve Notes to purchase an ounce.

    valuable as a policy instrument only when a sufficiently large populace considers it so.

    and the Fecal Reserve Note? That piece of intrinsically worthless paper, (unless you’re out camping and forgot the TP) has a value other than what people are fooled into thinking it does?

    And it doesn’t have to be gold Sam. Just a commodity that Rothschild can’t conjure into existence on a whim. Something that controls for the inflation of its proliferation and the deflation of its value. Back in the day, the alchemists tried to turn lead into gold. Today Rothschild has managed to turn paper into gold. Or, even better yet, digital binary bits on his computer- into gold. All he has to do is hit a few keys on his computer, and *poof*, there’s three trillion dollars to loan out to his buddies in the ECB or Asian central banks on a whim.

    And he’s unaccountable to every branch of our fecal government, from the president to congress. He does whatever he likes with our money, and creates as much as he feels is necessary to impose his id upon the planet, and that’s that.

    We should coin our own money and tell the private bankers to fuck off. We owe them nothing, and if they don’t slink away quietly, then we’ll use more drastic measures to exact justice for a hundred years of theft, treachery and perfidy.

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  133. Sam Shama says:

    [And he’s unaccountable to every branch of our fecal government, from the president to congress. ]

    Who is this ‘he?’ Any sources?

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  134. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    Who is this ‘he?’ Any sources?

    the ‘he’ is metaphorical, but you can call it the House of Rothschild.

    but it encompasses all the class-A stockholders of the Fecal Reserve Bank.

    they’re not all Jewish to be sure, but Rothschild is their patron saint

    for instance, when Russia was looted during the 90s by the “Russian” (mostly Jewish) oligarchs during the Yeltsin debacle, someone pointed out that the oligarchs who had looted Russia were Rothschild agents, and Rothschild sued in court and lost.

    Here’s a short video, (I normally can’t listen to this guy, but he spells it out succinctly here). just listen from 55 seconds in to about 1:30

    You can research this all and check it all out Sam

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  135. Sam Shama says:

    Oh, it is Alex Jones explaining it “succinctly”!

    Why of course no need for further explanations. I mean how does one refute a man who “proved” the CA drought an EPA hoax with farmers pumping out good water into the ocean, and Sandy Hook a govt conspiracy.

    Thank you indeed.

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  136. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    Now Sam, while I do agree that Sandy Hook was a ruse, just like the Boston bombing and 9/11 and 7/7 (and every other false flag where they were running drills for just such an event at the time of the “attack”) I will agree that Jones is a bit of a charlatan and hyperbolic, but that doesn’t mean that just because it’s Jones saying it, that it’s prima facie wrong.

    are you suggesting that Rothschild had nothing to do with the Jewish oligarchs that looted Russia’s wealth and then turned them into some of the wealthiest men in the world overnight?

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  137. ScuzzaMan says:

    I tire of effete snobs adopting the manner of disapproving old women scolding men for misogyny; by which they mean doing things of which unhappy women disapprove.

    I have news; women for whom disapproving is a way of life disapprove of everything men do. Try to fuck them; they disapprove. Don’t try to fuck them; they disapprove.

    Thing is, men don’t work for the approval of women who give out participation trophies.

  138. Sam Shama says:

    Sorry Rurik, the avenue for rational discussion closes rapidly when credence is extended to conspiracy theories. The reason is simple; you can shape the conspiracy (e.g. Sandy, Boston or Rothschild) to suit any fable you wish to promote.

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  139. Rurik says:
    @Sam Shama

    Oh, I see Sam

    You’re just way too morally impeccable to engage with anyone who claims a government conspiracy to use lied-about acts of terror to start wars.

    the sinking of the Main and the Gulf of Tonkin were one-offs, and anyone who believes that our CIA would lie!!! about a chemical attack by Assad, is.. well, just too far beyond the Pale for our Sammy here, eh?

    The idea that there exists a powerful London banker named Rothschild whose minions disavailed the Russian people of the burdens of her wealth and institutions- is simply such a humbug of delusion as to be beneath the irreproachable eminence of Sam Shama.

    I gotcha 😉

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  140. @jilles dykstra

    Wat is de bron van:
    What’s your source of:

    The Dutch professor Laslo Maracs, university of Amsterdam, explains all this eloquently, alas only in Dutch, as far as I know.

  141. Sam Shama says:

    “Moral impeccability” or “eminence”, both cheap digs, have no bearing here, but, as I wrote, rational discussion is the point. Involvement of conspiracy theories simply unmoors any and all reason.

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    , @From The Hague
  142. @Sam Shama

    Yes, conspiracy is nonexistent.
    Everybody and his neighbour is just plain open and honest.
    And reasonable (of course).

  143. Skeptikal says:

    Good advice.
    Get Baker on board.
    At least Baker won’t start WW3.

  144. Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un are like two peas in a pod. Fortunately in the US we have checks and balances.

  145. joe webb says:

    any and all jews hate Trump cuz he is soft on Russia. Fisk is a jew and a zioniist. Joe Webb

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