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At this point I want everybody to forget the assassination of JFK because it’s too far back in time for even Boomers to remember many of the details.

Forget 9/11 because we’ll never see the documents highlighting the entire story for decades to come.

And pretty much forget the Michael Brown saga (just put it in the back of your mind for possible future use) because we’re now at a stage in which those sorts of incidents mean little in the grand scheme of things.

Instead, I want you to focus on the disgusting slob that was Heather Heyer, for her death at the hands of morbid obesity and general unhealthiness formed the casus belli for the Judeo-Bolshevik total war against our rights to free speech and free expression.

https://twitter.com/occdissent/status/905119989677654016

Think about that for a moment:

It wasn’t the hilarious trolling missions against cretins like (((Luciana Berger))) that got us attacked like we’ve been attacked recently – I and several others were actually denounced on the floor of the British Parliament for mean tweets and articles back in 2014.

It wasn’t our dedicated activism on behalf of President Donald Trump that got us shut down – remember that we pushed The Don over the top, #NewRight cucks.

And it wasn’t even The Daily Stormer‘s super-troll involving a Hezbollah and Hamas-attended armed March on Whitefish that got us torn into by the entire internet maintenance structure – all it did was provoke a ridiculous lawsuit by the (((SPLC))).

No, at the end of the day it was attacks on menthol-smoking, fist-waving, Antifa terrorist Heather Heyer that got us slammed from all sides by registrars, anti-denial of service companies, and search engines.

Hell, even a fat joke meme was enough to produce threats of seizing Gab.ai’s domain, and would probably be enough to provoke the companies maintaining this site into trying to shut us down.

The funny thing about that whole thing is the fact that the migrating land-whale in green wasn’t even Heyer – it’s some other unidentified creature that may be of interest to scientists and biologists specializing in rare specimens.

Now you may be wondering why Heather Heyer – truly an insignificant individual when compared to others – became such an important figure for the Left and the pozzed right.

Well, while the answer may still be up in the air to some degree, I would like to think that it is because at last the Left had somebody they could truly call a martyr – a reason for them to clamp down on the growing menace (to them) that is the Alt-Right.

Blacks like Deandre Harris don’t work like they used to – mainly because they are usually guilty by default of criminal activities that can be nullifying, and also due to the fact that even among the American Left there is some semblance of Negro fatigue (with them it’s more subconscious than anything else).

Homosexuals and other deviants don’t work because most average Whites from across the political spectrum still cannot establish a connection with such sexually-vibrant men, women, and/or trannies (they would deny this wholeheartedly in public).

So why not prop up a White woman (dolled up as much as possible in all released official photos) in order to draw sympathy from those who might otherwise wonder at the destruction of the First Amendment?

Make it look like that we as a collective acted as domestic terrorists by extinguishing the life of a kindhearted heifer with the business end of a Dodge Challenger.

The perfect storm was set, witnesses were gathered, (((mainstream media))) ran with the story in a way that really formed perfect fodder for the normies, and all was done confidently due to the fact that nobody thought further footage existed to contradict the official narrative.

But oh how we can see that these Jews and Marxists are less shrewd than their subversive parents and grandparents.

They thought they had us dead to rights, and thought they could justify their obliteration of our most important right by pointing to the poor mangled jelly rolls of Heyer in a way meant to conjure up images of Christ on the cross (Jews hate our Savior, but still take advantage of the emotional impact of His suffering).

But at the final moment, they forgot that this is the age of the smartphone and of all-encompassing social media – almost nothing can remain buried for long.

And boy do we have some fun things to stir the pot with now, don’t we?

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  1. FKA Max says:

    Making of a Murderer: Charlottesville

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYBIaKWef3U

    Published on Aug 27, 2017

    TLDR: USA government and media are full of shit, again. It’s time for shitlibs who love submitting to them to have one nation, and the white people they hate to have another nation.

    The Cathedral Stands Up

    Millennial Woes
    Published on Sep 5, 2017

    [This video is not intended to condone violence or hate.]

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @FKA Max
    , @FKA Max
  2. not my savior jew worshiper

  3. utu says:

    I thought that you would show a definitive proof of the hoax but you are just venting.

  4. Alden says:

    Coroner determined Heyer’s cause of death was a heart attack not trauma and car accident injuries.

    I can’t figure out what the author wrote. Is the fat women pictured actually Heather Hyer? If she isn’t Heyer, why is she pictured? Were the pictures taken at the Charlottsville demonstration?

    This article is incoherent and pointless. I know what point he wants to make, but the article needs to scrapped and totally written.

  5. wayfarer says:

    At a recent false-flag film production in Charlottesville Virginia, a troupe of intern crisis-actors and b-list drama queens utilized a genre of melodramatic performance art, in an attempt to convince the world that a public display of three confederate and two nazi flags represented more than just 0.0000015% of the 326,625,791 people in America.

    An especially privileged 2.2% caste in America is working overtime to build an imaginary nazi-mountain out of an infinitesimal nazi-molehill, in an effort to ignite a lucrative “War on Hate!”

    USHMM, donate and never forget hate.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170905105133/https://www.ushmm.org

    SPLC, neo-carpetbaggers still milking the U.S. South, 152 years later.

    https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/990_103116.pdf

    • Agree: Alden, AndrewR
  6. Another perspective on removing monuments.

  7. Steve L says:

    Ron Unz is a disgrace. I used to respect him. No more.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
  8. @Alden

    That’s already more information than can be found in the article, but do you have a source? Did it not start out as speculation, and is now spread as fact? I have not found anything about what the coroner found. Is there a source at all?

    • Replies: @Oliver Revilo
    , @Alden
  9. edNels says:

    jeesus chistopher what a gaddamned fat mfr… that is so wtf, let me figure for a while…

  10. edNels says:
    @Alden

    hey, hi Alden, i like some of your takes on stuff, I agree with some of your statements.

    One thing that I would question you on is: are you male or female, I think you are female because of some time that you made that a factoid, but some kind of way I wonder if you are a he or a she…

    Not that it would matter, but you seem to be a female in someway… to me you have those features like empathy and stuff… tell me/

    • Replies: @Alden
  11. Wally says:

    concerning Charlottesville:

    “We have been working on the ground and behind the scenes leading up to, during, and after the rally.”
    - Zionist Jew Anita Gray, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League.
    must read: http://www.unz.com/article/how-the-jews-won-the-battle-of-charlottesville/

  12. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Judeo-Bolshevik total war

    Care to justify this claim?

    • Replies: @Wally
  13. Amasius says:

    Heather would have celebrated if Richard Spencer had been assassinated and she had lived. They all would have danced in the streets. I don’t know why we’re supposed to care about an enemy who wanted us dead dying (assuming this was a real person who actually died and it wasn’t all a false-flag psyop).

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Anonymous
  14. Amasius says:
    @Alden

    The one in black (and on the gurney) actually is Big Heather and the big one in green is a big green herring. I think.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Anonymous
  15. El Dato says:
    @Alden

    Agree, we demand fresh, supported information.

  16. I had no idea at all what this was about. It has been a long time since I encountered such an inane article on a site that I most often respect.

  17. This article and its comments section is a total shambles. I’m glad the principle of free speech is being exercised but this is still low quality speech. Unz.com is worth visiting because quality control is exercised, not because it publishes a discount bin full of whatever can’t be sold elsewhere.

  18. Excellent article! But go edit out every instance of “due to the fact”. It’s retarded and what nogs say to sound smart. Cary on.

  19. Che Guava says:
    @Alden

    I agree that the writing is confused and confusing, but the writer does say:

    The funny thing about that whole thing is the fact that the migrating land-whale in green wasn’t even Heyer – it’s some other unidentified creature that may be of interest to scientists and biologists specializing in rare specimens.

    Having been admin. on a site that helped to popularise the land whale idea, ‘Man the harpoons’, etc., when I see these grossly obese creatures in company, I am calling them 河馬、kaba, literally river horse, meaning hippopotamus. Usually raises a laugh.

    a kindhearted heifer with the business end of a Dodge Challenger

    More like a hippo than a whale.

    Since he would knowing that Ron Unz republished the article, replying to clarify what was intended would be a good idea for the pretentious pseudonym, Marcus Cicero.

  20. Can anyone give us a source as to what the coroner found? What is this article based on? Other than hot air?

    I’d love this to be true, but absent any hard information I’m inclined to disbelieve.

  21. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Well said.

    I am anxious to learn more about how the Establishment has distorted another incident, a la the deaths of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, to fit whatever people must be made to believe. But all I learned from this article is that the author lacks the ability or is too lazily disrespectful of those not already in his camp to compose an essay. The writing is so poor that I am now more skeptical of the thesis.

  22. @Cagey Beast

    It publishes that which the MSM WON’T publish. Who KNEW from WashPost that this (as originally depicted) tender waif of a lass was actually 400 pounds of violent SJW leftist-Democrat Antifa blubber? The original story was a group of Pretty Little Lies. Stunning to you that the truth of this ham-planet should come out, but there we have it. Never get that truth from WashPost or your beloved NYTimes.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Sean
    , @anonymous
  23. @reiner Tor

    As far as I know, no coroner’s report has yet been made public, but Heyer’s mother blurted out on camera that Heyer died from a heart attack and did not suffer. If I am not mistaken, Heyer’s mother was saying that the coroner told her this info. I guess we’ll have to wait until Field’s trial, unless more info is leaked.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  24. So, St. Heather Heyer died of a heart attack. Unusual in a 32-year-old, but she may have had a bad heart due to morbid obesity.

    It’s one thing to criticize Jews and I have done that. There are many legitimate criticisms and negative observations of Jews and their actions. But this article goes overboard and seems to have been written by a neo-Nazi. I think that Unz, of all people, should avoid that. It’s a splendid website that I visit everyday and I don’t want it taken off the net.

    • Agree: German_reader
  25. Jason Liu says:

    Simpler explanation: Unattractive white women are often the most extreme SJWs, and feminists are arguably the largest SJW faction, even more so than minority groups. The media knows this.

    This is a pretty fashy article for Unz though, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  26. Jake says:

    It worked well. ‘Compassionate’ conservatives immediately turned to destroy everyone they assumed to be on their right. Rod Dreher was so horrified he went on a tirade damning all the right wing racism that he knows keeps blacks from embracing conservative ideas.

    I have no idea if the idiot intended to run over an antifa terrorist or two. I do know that the situation was volatile to the point of being life-threatening, because the police refused to do their job to protect those whose free speech offends cultural Marxists and anarchists.

    I do assume that the Deep State is ready to pounce. It was beyond weird that the acceptable press after Berkeley 2.0 attacked the violence of the Left. That is classic Gramscian weaving strategy. Push hard against the traditional values and identity right, as many dirty blows as possible, and then quickly weave back out and act against the part of the Left that you find most expendable. That movement convinces the middle of the road types that the Left is reasonable, if a bit slow to show it. And that gives the Left its necessary cover to strike next.

    It is a never ending game: until there is a Robespierre system of terror as justice and justice as terror.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  27. I have to wonder why the Dodge Challenger’s airbags didn’t deploy, even after it rear ended the stationary car in front of it? If the airbags had been deliberately disabled beforehand then the case for premeditation becomes rock solid.

    • Replies: @VICB3
  28. StephenC says:

    Very poor article on a potentially interesting matter. I’m generally sympathetic to the Alt-right and the Unite-the-Right crowd but they need to do better than post a few greedy merchant pics and Anglin-esque digs when given the opportunity.

  29. Shaun says:
    @Steve L

    I do not know if I would go that far yet but I here you and understated. It seems like Israel Shamir is running this website now and thats a darn shame. So many good alternative writers out there that are being ignored for this dumpster garbage. Unz really needs to change this website.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
  30. @Jim Christian

    Pointing out the media’s manipulative techniques is fine but so much else in this article is just Daily Stormer level jabbering. Listen, I read alt-right stuff daily — and I’m sympathetic to about half of it — but this combo platter of gripes and memes is not a solid piece of reporting. This is the kind of stuff I have to look past to get the solid facts and arguments the alt-right has to offer right now.

  31. n230099 says:

    Well, that was a wild ride through ‘WTF’ land. I hadn’t paid much attention to Charlottesville in the first place as I assumed it was a manufactured media circus. But, if any truth exists in the above, it makes it a tad more interesting.

  32. Heather Hyer is nearly as disgusting looking as that rotting piece of Irish Catholic cornbeef naked on a coroners table….Ted Kennedy. But Ted Kennedy was by many orders of magnitude…as is the filthy treasonous Irish Catholic Cockroach Congressman Peter King…..a greater force of destruction than Heather Hyer was in her brief appearance in this world.

    Heather Hyer was a victim of 52 years of post-1965 policy of destroying the Native Born White American Working Class. Nonwhite LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and their US born nonwhite geneline are an alternative source of labor for the Greedy Cheating White Liberal MEGA-CEO CLASS. Heather Heyer was economically redundant White Working Class as a consequence…

  33. Avery says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    {….seems to have been written by a neo-Nazi.}

    Most certainly.
    If you go to the original article (Republished from Occidental Dissent by permission of author or representative), you’ll see the standard-issue Nazi caricature of a Jewish man: dead giveaway.

    Also at the top of OCCIDENTAL DISSENT web site there is a depiction of Stars & Bars, which is fine. But to the right of it is what appears to be most likely a fragment of Nazi swastika.

    {… and I don’t want it taken off the net.}

    Ron is wealthy enough and savvy enough to take care of that sort of thing, if it ever comes to that.
    Nobody can block him: he has the means and technical background to set up his own service provider if he has to.

    {. I think that Unz, of all people, should avoid that. }

    As another poster put it so well at #24.
    Reason enough for Ron to hold his nose and publish it.

  34. The first (((white))) lies is that imbecility call “creeptianism”. While you don’t wipe out from “white” minds that, not, that Jewish X-man from “Palestine” wasn’t their “savior” whites will continue intellectually immature.

    Yes, transcendence is fundamental. But I think “white creativity” can re-create a new religion/artistic escape or protection from full blown existential uncertainty, isn’t??

  35. Logan says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Agreed. What’s with the stupid cartoon of a Jew?

    Reads like it was written by someone trying to discredit the cause it is theoretically promoting.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    , @Giuseppe
  36. From the appearance of this festering turd of an article on Unz’s site, I can only conclude that either Ron Unz has been hitting the sauce too hard and decided to troll his readers, or that Ron is a disinformation agent, or that the Unz Review has been hacked by Antifa and they are posting this tripe in an effort to smear us.

    Why else would you put this here? Are you trying to get the site Shoah’d? Are you trying to make us look like idiots?

    • Agree: Vinteuil
  37. Che Guava says:
    @Steve L

    Tell us why, both your former respect, and losss now. I would guessing that you are just a randnm bs. person, trnll. It is you first post here.

  38. ziel says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Agree, this article really stretches the ‘alternative voices’ mission of Unz.com . I’m all for honest discussions about the roles and influences of Jews in our society, but this gross anti-semitism I find simply unseemly and unhelpful.

    • Replies: @Wally
  39. Randal says:
    @Steve L

    Ron Unz is a disgrace. I used to respect him. No more.

    Because he published something you dislike that has been specifically targeted for suppression by the internet powers, on a website specifically dedicated to publishing what is generally suppressed elsewhere? Seems like you are not anyone whose respect should be desired or sought.

    Unpleasant it might be, and not particularly informative, but as a middle finger raised to the censors it’s fairly effective, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  40. I’m sure Unz could have found a better author and outlet to get this news out from…

    A bit OT, but I used to have a lot of respect for Hunter Wallace but frankly I think he’s gone nuts now.

  41. RW says:

    This article is incoherent and bigoted. What is it doing here on unz.com?

  42. I really do believe Heather Hyer was the victim of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act.

    And without a doubt what happened in Charlottesville is a direct consequence and response to the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act which very highly likely launched post-1965 America into a state of violent race war with great international consequences…..think about it.

    And what is driving the US into break-up along Race…is 52 years of low wage-wage slave policy of the Democratic Party and the Ronnie Reagan pickled corpse Republican Party…

    The Cold War was always about…ultimately…economic redundancy-wage slavery for the Native Born White American Working Class..

  43. This may be the single worst article I’ve ever read on Unz.com. It repels me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  44. I really do believe Heather Heyer was a victim of the economic…political…social….and cultural forces unleashed by the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act.

    When you think about the scab labor impact of the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…it is really quite staggering. The total amount of nonwhite scab labor imported into America=Nonwhite LEGAL IMMIGRANTS+THE US BORN NONWHITE GENELINE OF POST-1965 NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

    US Labor Markets have had to swallow the equivalent of the labor force the size of a very large nonwhite Nation. And the consequence of importing such a mind boggling amount of nonwhite scab labor is this:Native Born White American Labor in the American South has become unimportant to the Nation…that is to say:Southern Labor became economically redundant to the Nation. There was no incentive to develope the Southern White Working Class for skilled labor work in the US Economy. Heather Heyer’s fate was to be a low skilled…low wage…..economically redundant worker. And this is one of these reasons why I have violent hatred of giving IQ tests to Native Born White American Children…post-1965..it’s a way of tracking the children of the Native Born White American Working Class into a career as canon foder for The Military Industrial Complex and Greater Israel……I really do hope this comment of mine gets through and posted for it goes to the fundamental core of what Charlottesville was all about….

  45. Like other commenters above, I visit this site every day and respect its administrator for offering widely differing points of view by contributors, but this one is over the top and I hope to see no more of such vile writing and illustrations. This site has been a fine forum for a long time now, but a featured post such as this one… IMHO, it has no place here.

    • Replies: @fenster
  46. Rich says:
    @Steve L

    I respect him more than ever. Mr Unz is a true champion of free speech, willing to let a wide spectrum of ideas be debated openly. Intelligent people can read this and other articles and make up their own minds on the various issues. We don’t need a Zuckerberg or a Pichal or a Wojcicki censoring what we are allowed to read.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @prusmc
  47. @Alden

    A couple of video clips on YouTube demonstrate that Heather Heyer’s mother has an exact twin who is a Sandy Hook victim’s mother. Some coincidence.

  48. No, at the end of the day it was attacks on menthol-smoking, fist-waving, Antifa terrorist Heather Heyer that got us slammed from all sides by registrars, anti-denial of service companies, and search engines.

    Menthol? Either she was a hell of a lot older than she looked, or else she was a mud-shark.

  49. VICB3 says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Per Google and the NHTSA:

    “Frontal air bags are generally designed to deploy in “moderate to severe” frontal or near-frontal crashes, which are defined as crashes that are equivalent to hitting a solid, fixed barrier at 8 to 14 mph or higher. (This would be equivalent to striking a parked car of similar size at about 16 to 28 mph or higher.

    While James Alex Fields rear ended a car, he evidently wasn’t going that fast.

    Alternately, I’d be interested to know the year of the Dodge Charger and if it were purchased used, stolen, towed and/or had ever been in a body shop. In some cases, disreputable used dealers, impound lots or body shop have been known to remove airbags for resale. Having been removed in these ways, non-deployment could be the result to theft, nothing more.

    As for the rest of the article, I’m interested in facts. If in fact that is not Heather Heyer in the green shirt, and if in fact she did indeed die as a result of a heart attack, then that changes the whole narrative quite a bit

    Regardless, the MSM seems hell bent on creating the most sympathetic narrative possible. One need only witness the close-up photo of an attractive woman in her early twenties, and then compare it to the photos of the morbidly obese smoker in her early thirties to realize that somebody is trying to spin the truth. The repeated and inflammatory use of the term “NAZI” in any MSM narrative, let alone the ones about this incident, to me at least is a red flag that you’re not being given the truth.

    (His politics aside, I’m of the mind that the Dodge driver, James Alex Fields, either from happenstance or stupidity, found himself surrounded by violent ANTIFA protesters hell bent on sending him to the hospital or morgue. He made the rational decision to try and get himself out of there rather than just sit passively. One need only consider the fate of Reginald Denny in the L.A. Riots to see what the alternatives might have been.)

    As for the readers who are upset about the source of the article being from a “White Supremacist” site, attacking the writer and his style on that basis alone, I’d point out that just because you don’t like the messenger doesn’t mean that he’s lying to you. If this guy has hit upon some otherwise hidden truths of the incident, then he should be given credit where credit is due, and with thanks.

    Ditto, the attacks on Unz for publishing it. Unz’s stock in trade is to publish articles from clear across the political spectrum. Left, Right and Center. It’s why it’s a daily stop for quite a few readers I suppose. It even tells you what you’re in for on the header: A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media. To those people who complain, they ought to be reminded that they come here to explore a range of perspectives, and not for confirmation bias. That means that you’re exposed to writers and ideas that you might not like on a regular basis vs only the comfortable fairy tales and pablum you can easily find elsewhere.

    In short, grow up, deal with or go elsewhere.

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  50. Articles like this will ultimately be used by the MSM to attack and discredit this website. This is a low point.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @MarkinLA
  51. @Logan

    I don’t understand the Nazi support by some in the alt-right.

    They ignore the fact that Nazis invaded the Soviet Union not to liberate the captive peoples of the Soviet empire, but for lebensraum and intended to exterminate, enslave or expel the Slavic inhabitants. Millions of people throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East, mostly white, suffered and died due to the actions of Adolf Hitler and his thugs. Those minor details of history go down the memory hole.

    Nazi symbolism is still toxic in the West. They’re alienating potential supporters by waving their banners around and heil hitlering. There are other forms of national socialism, such as Arab baathism. Create a new form, but lay off the swastikas. Sheesh.

  52. @Oliver Revilo

    Heyer’s mother blurted out on camera that Heyer died from a heart attack and did not suffer

    Is a video of it available anywhere?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  53. @reiner Tor

    Sorry, I just saw the video. Maybe it didn’t load the first time…

  54. Awful says:

    What a horrible and disgusting article. And the people who want to promote this at the top of their page are reveal themselves to be horrible and disgusting as well.

  55. @Jason Liu

    You put your finger on something that I noticed, too.

    Rush Limbaugh pointed out that “feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.”

    On one of the pix, she is carrying a pack of Newport Menthols, a brand and kind popular with blacks. For some reason, she turned “wigger” and antifa.

    I wonder if black men were more likely to be romantically interested in her than white men. On the attached NY Times article, the black manager who hired her said that a fellow that Ms. Heyer dated objected to her friendship with him. I find it difficult to believe that someone would object to her friendship, unless there was something more going on.

    The manager said that she would cry if she read that someone had been mistreated. I wonder if she ever wept for a white victim.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/heather-heyer-charlottesville-victim.html

    On another note, pretty fashy, indeed.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  56. Heather says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Cigarette smoking also makes heart attack more likely.

    My sticking point was: There were people freaking stupid enough to believe the idea of a Hezbollah/Hamas March in WHITEFISH??? Seriously?? I live in Montana. Even with refugee resettlers active in Missoula, there aren’t a significant number of Muslims in the entire state, let alone Muslims that would take part in such a march. Such marches are done for the media attention. Which we do not get in Montana. The state has been ON FIRE for over a month, and the media are barely beginning to notice, for Pete’s sake!

  57. Giuseppe says:
    @Logan

    Reads like it was written by someone trying to discredit the cause it is theoretically promoting.

    The conclusion I came to, and what I assume is the point of bothering to publish such an offensive screed.

  58. Wally says: • Website
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Yawn.

    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    [MORE]

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    tax exempt cash taken in by USHMM
    $151,826,695.00

    https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/042717-IRS-Form-990-FY16.pdf

    US Taxpayers money to to USHMM:
    56,999,500.00
    source: https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20160209-fy17-pres-budget-request.pdf

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  59. You are correct about cigarette smoking.

    The poster refers to a planned march in Whitefish in January 2017 in support of Richard Spencer’s mom. Geez. With friends like those ….

    • Replies: @Simon in London
  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A concerted attack on so-called ‘fake news’ sites has been in preparation since the election. The death of this woman is only a pretext. If it hadn’t been her it would have been something else.

  61. Wally says:
    @ziel

    Wow, the Jews First hasbarists are going wild today.

    fact:
    Creepy Zionist Jews support strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while they demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe?

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  62. biz says:

    If I wanted to discredit the legitimate slippery slope arguments for preserving Confederate statues, I would write and publish an article full of straight up Nazi imagery.

    • Agree: Simon in London
    • Replies: @Wally
  63. KenH says:

    The left has their share of large Marge’s and Heather and the oversize female in green hugging the hood of the car are but two examples. They’re usually Wal-Mart shopper types with a couple of tats on their lower back or fat rolls and two or three mulatto children in tow.

  64. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Here’s one reason why it’s important for alt-right to raise the issue of “Nazism” in as intelligent a way as can be created –

    https://www.ushmm.org/confront-antisemitism/origins-of-neo-nazi-and-white-supremacist-terms-and-symbols

    The U S holocaust museum has taken charge of the narrative; that tax-payer funded freak-show slash propaganda outlet is defining the terms, taking charge of the history.

    Americans (and Germans) ought not allow that to happen.

    If Jews feel compelled to lie and to masturbate in public teach their children to do the same, they should be the ones to be made to look evil.

    The American people have a right to their own history, they have a right to teach their children the reality of their own history, and it’s for damn sure they should not be compelled to allow their tax dollars to be used to further the truly evil lies of the Jewish museum / freak show.

    If any ‘monuments’ in the USA should be torn down, it should be the holocaust trojan horses. They are monuments to lies and to the subjugation of the American Constitution and the American people.

    That’s why I think “Nazism” has to be an essential part of the alt-right: the demonization of National Socialism, and the mountain of lies and propaganda we’ve been fed about the entire era of wars in Europe has got to be confronted and redressed.

    The above link to the USHMM ‘explanation’ of ‘Nazi symbols and glossary’ is self-serving and dishonest in the extreme. It reeks of desperation: Why are Jews rolling out Nazism, 70 years after Germany was reduced to a smoldering pile of rubble? Is it because the fear runs deep in the heart of Jewdom that their lies are being exposed?

    What are they afraid of, that they go to such extraordinary lengths to perpetuate one of the biggest lies in history?

    Isn’t it a good thing when history is told accurately?

    The emanations of the monument to lies about Germany demand to be refuted; they demand the counter- narrative. We need to supply that narrative.

    • Agree: Stonehands
  65. utu says:

    This article was written so no genuine article about the making of the hoax in Charlottesville will be written. So for ever the Charlottesville events will be linked to Nazis and Anti-Semites and not to the fact that they were very well organized and well funded psy-ops. This may explain why the article is promoted and publish also here at unz.com.

    On the YT there are many analyses of the crash based on several publicly available videos. Sadly almost all of them are trash made by by Youtube Yahoos who either lack professional software to analyze videos or lack brain to conduct logical analysis. I am aware that the really good ones are kicked out form the YT. But where do they go?

    • Replies: @Issac
  66. Denis Kearney….Samuel Gompers…..Denis and Sam gave us the WONDERFULL!!! 1888 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act=MAGA!!!=90 percent White Folks only America…

    Denis Kearny+Samuel Gompers=Irish-Jewish cooperation….

  67. The only other people I’ve encountered who are this triggered by fat women are thin women and gay men.

  68. I think the info in this article re Heyer could have been presented without an actual Neo-Nazi article on Unz.com – and it was badly written. This is not the place for it. So put me with the antis.

  69. Alden says:
    @reiner Tor

    Sorry, heart attack was on Freerepublic last week.

  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @IndieRafael

    I don’t get the point of the article. Is it suggesting that Heather Heyer died from a heart attack and was not hit by the car ramming into the crowd? And there is complicity among the media to hide this? And this was part of a overall plot? Sounds kind of crazy, but if that’s the case it should have been stated matter-of-factly without the disjointed invectives. Ron Unz’s articles have made me question the official narrative on everything I hear, read, and think that I know. As far as the other stuff in this article, a lot of us have no clue about it (white nationalist websites shutdown), as they are just not within our sphere of life.

    • Replies: @IndieRafael
  71. Alden says:
    @edNels

    I’m a woman a very antifeminist White Nationalist woman.

  72. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    That was the moment Spencer definitively allied with the Neo-Nazis. He had been saying Neo-Nazis hated him at the very moment an Antifa punched him at the Inauguration. Then when he was feeling vulnerable some bad actors went after his mother, the Nazis offered to help him out, and he went for it.

    I’d say both the Nazis and Antifa got exactly what they wanted, and the broader Alt Right (Identitarianism without the Swastikas) lost out.

  73. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Yeah, I prefer the Baath to the Nazis any day. Never mind the Jewish genocide, the Nazis also tried to wipe out a sizable fraction of the white Indo-European/Aryan race, the dwellers in the Ur-Heimat – the Slavs. They did more harm to whites than anyone in history.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  74. Alden says:
    @Amasius

    Really, I assume you’re correct. I knew a woman who had a disabling heart attack in her early 40′s. She had severe diabetes from age 6 on. 5’3 325 pds.

    She was hospitalized 2 years had to learn to talk all over again. She still can’t read. She can think pretty wel and drive well. She has a caretaker who also does all the bills, dr apts etc.

    She uses a wheel chair she puts in her car. She’s very proud she can make her bed every day. It’s a king size and she holds on to it and staggers around it. She does a good job of bed making, spread very smooth, decorative cushions arranged just so.

    So a fatal heart attack at 35 is possible I suppose. I wonder what the horrible hag Heather’s underlying causes were?

  75. Logan says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Agree 100% about the evil of the Nazis. One of their most obvious idiocies in racial theory was that the Slavs aren’t Aryan. Doesn’t work on ethnic, linguistic or genetic levels. Just stupid.

    But it was of course necessary because it was the Slavs, primarily, they intended to dispossess and eventually exterminate. They were inconvenient, particularly the Poles, who were too numerous and advanced to tolerate.

    However, don’t necessarily agree that America should become national socialist in any sense of the word. Anyway, that phrase has become utterly toxic and should be avoided if only for that reason.

    It’s like telling someone you’re peddling the good cancer.

    Also, I found the contempt expressed for a large woman disturbing. Is she any less a human being because the author doesn’t find her sexually appealing?

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  76. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    As Jordan Peterson would say the Word is best and only way to steer us back to sanity.

    Everyone can go insane. Let everyone speak so as to diagnose and treat better.

    It is actually why post modernism refuses to reason or debate at all. Banning the word yields disease and death.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  77. This was an entertaining article. Sure, it was a crude, slightly confusing at times, and insulting, but so what? Leftists, (((pundits))) and the MSM hurl hate-filled junk like this at white America each and every day. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.

    As a long-term critic of our bomb-dropping, Zionist establishment, I am dismayed at the chorus of hand-wringers on this Comments thread who are calling for, in effect, censorship. What a bunch of alt-right snowflakes you are. (Or are you actually Zions in disguise?)

    This was a snarky but amusing article. Nothing more. Nobody got punched or even screamed at. And nobody got killed. If this article turns you off, simply stop reading it.

    Unlike rhetoric from the Left, there was no advocacy for political violence contained within this essay. It was merely satire.

    I’m grateful to the author for pointing out that this latest antifa ‘martyr’ was an obese smoker, not a slim, attractive ‘idealist’ antifa justice-seeker as depicted in one widely-circulated old photo. (Or this claim not accurate?). Anyway, it was an amusing read.

    So let’s continue to unmask mainstream deceptions. And mock them as we do it. But we must reject all calls for political censorship.

    Indeed, let’s enjoy the freedom to hurl unvarnished contempt and disdain at the dark forces that seek to 1) dominate, control and manage political discourse as they 2) unleash self-righteous violence upon their fellow-citizens whom they hatefully smear as Nazis, ‘white supremacists’ and fascists. These incendiary terms are fighting words. Liberal hate speech is still hate speech.

    Thank you, Ron Unz, for pushing the envelope on this one.

    • Agree: Alden
  78. @Anonymous

    Yes. Ron Unz, please unfeature this terrible article. Maybe you wish to run it as an exercise of free speech, but featuring it is inexplicable.

    • Replies: @Alden
  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    The point of Nazi LARPing is simply to get noticed. There’s a method to the madness. The ‘respectable’ right can hold all the meetings, speeches and conferences it wants, but nobody who isn’t there in person will ever know about it, because of the media blackout. Add Nazis however and your meeting is nationwide front page news.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
    , @Sean
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  80. Tyrion says:

    I started reading this article full of hope. The by-line makes quite a claim.

    Yet all I learned was that Heather Heyer was fat, which I could tell by how she had posed for her media-distributed selfie, and that the specific cause of death was her heart stopping.

    The latter fact does not mean James Fields is innocent, and the former observation just seems mean-spirited. What can I do with it? Explain when someone who knows my support for Trump and tries to gotcha me with Charlottesville that she was actually unattractive and therefore imply that somehow she deserved it? Goodness, nobody would ever talk to me ever again! It would be a monstrous comment.

    Also, why all the cartoonish anti-Semitism? It doesn’t bother me directly as I’m Jewish and feel no guilt from not being bothered by it and viewing it merely as a bit sad but how on earth does it help?

    On the other hand, the utter incoherence of this article appalls me. Is this just published as a fishing piece for the censors? Has Mr Unz gotten bored with the site and decided it would be most fun, and productive for him to be a free speech martyr? To be fair, if so, this is a clever plan and I very much hope he succeeds. Sites like the Daily Stormer should not need to resort to the Dark Net, obviously. It is entirely against the spirit of the free exchange of ideas to ban them.

    As for Charlottesville, I hope the schizophrenic internet Nazi James Fields is not successfully charged for second degree murder. The extenuating circumstances are strong and more evidence may yet emerge that he was less than fully responsible for Heather Heyer’s death. Nonetheless it seems his car did hit Ms Heyer so he is not without guilt and a lesser charge should be applied. This article would need to supply evidence to the contrary were it to justify its by-line.

    Or maybe that Fields only happened to be driving that street and that he only accelerated his vehicle because he genuinely thought his life was in immediate danger. It is very difficult to disprove those two contentions should Mr Fields be well-advised enough to rigidly stick to them.

    As for Charlottesville, Trump was sort of wrong stating that there was an equivalence between the two groups of protesters. There is no equivalence between a legal group of protesters and those who illegally assembled to infringe the first group’s civil rights. Regardless of what anybody thinks of the relative merits of their causes.

    That is the right ground to stand on in this argument. It is impossible to deny after all. What can someone say but wobble their lips and blubber “but they were Nazis.”

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Randal
    , @Olorin
  81. Have to agree with a lot of the sentiments here. Ron Unz is truly heroic in embracing open debate from a wide range of viewpoints, but this article seems counterproductive.

  82. Alden says:

    I asked Mr Google about coroner’s reports. They are public property EXCEPT in criminal litigation. So we’ll have to wait till the trial.

    I’m retired. I should stop bitching on the Internet. I could go to the trial. I should make plans. I could probably get a press credential from my Local Jewish Journal. Then I could go undercover and spy on the ADL/SPLC.

    If she died of a heart attack and no contributing trauma from being hit by the car,
    he might not even be charged.

    400 pounds, had he been driving one of those tiny little cars the car would have been crushed, not her.

    Is there a legal fund for his defense?

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  83. @Wally

    That’s debatable. There was a plan to invade the Soviet Union in July 1940, Operation Otto. Hitler also wrote about conquering the Soviet Union in Mein Kampf. To be fair, the concept of lebensraum predated Hitler.

  84. @Simon in London

    I think that you are right. It’s doesn’t help our glorious cause when a prominent alt-righter does, indeed, align himself with the Nazis. It only confirms what the libs and mass media says about us – that we’re Nazis.

  85. @Wally

    Jews play the card

    Racism is evil
    Religiogism is not

    … as criteria for immigration.

    As Judaism is not universalistic…

  86. Sean says:
    @Tyrion

    Agree with most of your comment, but not

    I hope the schizophrenic internet Nazi James Fields is not successfully charged for second degree murder.

    Oh, I think he would do well to get only second degree. He did something that he knew could easily result in serious injury and someone died of it. That is wide open to a murder charge.

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @Alden
    , @Alden
  87. @Anon

    I hope go sanity don’t mean go Christianism.

    • Replies: @Anon
  88. Tyrion says:
    @Anonymous

    The point of Nazi LARPing is simply to get noticed. There’s a method to the madness. The ‘respectable’ right can hold all the meetings, speeches and conferences it wants, but nobody who isn’t there in person will ever know about it, because of the media blackout. Add Nazis however and your meeting is nationwide front page news.

    But it only gets you noticed because you are doing the stupidest thing possible. How else to describe aligning your historically reasonable political platform with an utterly discredited foreign movement which your nation’s soldiers died defeating?

    It isn’t even like the actual Nazis were stupid enough to do this. They weren’t LARPing about as Louis Napoleon’s French soldiers or something.

    And no, denying the Holocaust is not going to stem the immigrant flow. The Holocaust may be grossly mis-used as a tool of convenience by those pushing white guilt and demographic transformation but it is hardly necessary. There are plenty of others that will do and do in fact make do. The Holocaust isn’t even why Hitler is so utterly discredited when compared to say Stalin. Stalin did, after all, kill more. It was Hitler’s total defeat and the fact that an entire generation of Western men went out to fight him that has led to his low status.

    Indeed, before whining that more attention is given to the Holocaust than the Holodomor, perhaps consider that it is precisely the Holocaust’s association with the utter loser Hitler that makes it so.

    Or to spell it out simply – that the Nazis were total losers is what really gives power to the Holocaust as a historical tragedy. And now you want to identify your movement with the Nazis? Madness!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  89. @Simon in London

    Yes, the Nazis literally put their fellow Europeans into slavery* as soon as they had the chance. On top of that their race laws were idiotic and patently unfair to anyone non-Nazi who looked at them. One could make a long list of people who considered Jews their political enemies but who nevertheless thought the Nazi race laws were crass and unnecessarily cruel.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  90. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    The FBI controllers of Nazi organisations’ like them to get plenty of publicity.It means the Special Agent’s department gets more resources.

  91. @Simon in London

    I think Richard Spencer and the rest of the alt-right can move on from being entangled with internet neo-Nazis but the need for unsavoury allies will continue to exist. Spencer has his wife and kid safely set up in Montana (I think) but other people don’t have his resources. We have to admit the golden age of deracinated, post-tribal liberalism is coming to a close. We’re going to need to become okay with White guys who aren’t afraid to take politics outdoors or show up in force. Apparently the Traditionalist Workers’ Party guys saved a lot of people’s asses in Charlottesville.

    Our nice, broad-minded and liberal predecessors left us with one hell of a tough hand to play and I’m afraid we’re going to have to recognize that we will need some muscle on our side in the years to come. Look at how rough & tumble politics was through most of the last three centuries if you doubt me.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
  92. classy web site. a place for the tuxedo & fedora crowd.

  93. nsa says:

    Take a long careful look at the headline pic of 4 sturdy lads and a white chick (and that’s just the front of the stretcher) toting what looks to be a giant mound of kosher cottage cheese…….a snapshot of the modern compassionate welfare state. Also note that Fields is going to need a sharp jooie attorney to skate on this one. FELONY MURDER DOCTRINE: “any death that occurs during the commission of a felony is first degree murder, and all participants in that felony or attempted felony can be charged with and found guilty of murder”.

    • Replies: @Alden
  94. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    German plans re. the SU in the summer of 1940 took place in the context of Soviet annexations of the Baltics (in effective abrogation of the Nazi-Soviet Pact) and Romanian territory in June and July. The decision to actually follow through with an attack took place after further Soviet ultimatums in December, and of course the massing of forces on the border which clearly had an aggressive intent. (At a minimum the oil fields at Ploesti could have been easily taken, thus strangling the Wehrmacht while Britain remained hostile.). You are right about the basic irrelevance of Lebensraum in all of this.

    • Replies: @Anon
  95. What we have here is a modern day Horst Wessel…..

    Who will write the song , Bono, Bruce?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  96. The only effective method for handling this pandemonia is to start labeling them, the leftists, SJWs, politicians, the BS artist “Perfessers” , the activist “Judges”, is to begin labeling them :

    RACIST

    24/7, in the very same manner as they have been bludgeoning everyone who is not one of them with this label.

    In other words take their main weapon away from them and turn it around.

    And I know this seems simplistic and trivial, but it is the only possible effective approach and it WILL work.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

  97. Man, someone left the monkey cage open in this comments section. I’m expecting to soon see an ad in bold type about making money online while working from home.

  98. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion

    Any publicity is good publicity. It’s better to be denounced by the media than ignored by it.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  99. Hrw-500 says:
    @Shaun

    The strange thing, almost as if we wonder if we had fallen in The Twilight Zone was some scans of a Captain America comic, Vol 1 #275 published in 1982 with scans posted at http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1285965-2017-unite-the-right-rally who seems to have predicted the Charlottesville events with one panel where Steve Rogers/Captain America rant about free speech. http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1217123-marvel-comics

    It’s doubful then any Marvel Comics writers would try to do that one today.

    Even if that article is deleted. Someone on the Wayback Machine or any other archives sites like Archive.is might already archived a copy.

  100. Sean says:
    @Jim Christian

    Knowing how unlike his initially circulated photo Trayvon Martin looked at the time of his death, who in the Alt-Right could be surprised at Heather Heyer looking different from the photo used on MSM. Even if they are not publicly dying in humiliating dishabille, everyone is a lot worse in real life and natural light that in their mother’s favorite photo, their social media profile, or the image beside their NYT column. I bet you are more of a thug and a lot closer to 400lbs that she was.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  101. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    The occupation of the Baltics was not an abrogation of the 1939 nonaggression pact. Far from it, it was the culmination of the pact. Germany refused to intervene and in fact withdrew from territory in eastern Poland and Lithuania under terms of the pact.

    And what power would not have moved forces to its new borders? There was a war going on, remember?

  102. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    The Virgin’s messages had been to induce the Pope to bring about “the consecration of the World to her Immaculate Heart,” to be followed by “the consecration of Russia.” “Russia will be converted,” she foretold. “The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me.” But, she warned, should this not be accomplished, “her (Russia’s) errors will spread throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions . . . different nations will be destroyed . . .” In the end however, the Virgin promised by way of consolation, that the Catholic Church would triumph, after which “the Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me. Thereupon she (Russia) shall be converted and a period of peace will be granted to the world.

    These quotations are from the authenticated messages of the Virgin Mary herself, as related to one of the children and fully accepted by the Catholic Church as a genuine revelation by the “Mother of God.”[2]

    Within a few years the cult of Fatima had grown to great proportions. The number of pilgrims multiplied from sixty on June 13, 1917 to 60,000 in October of that same year. From 144,000 in 1923, to 588,000 in 1928. The total for six years: two millions.[3]

    http://www.reformation.org/chapter3.html

    [MORE]

    Vietnam why did we go?

    By Avro Manhattan

    CHAPTER 3

    Fatimaization of the West
    [...]
    The first was a vision of Hell (something well known to the modern world).
    The second was more to the point: a reiteration that Soviet Russia would be converted to the Catholic Church.
    The third was sealed in an envelope and put in custody of the ecclesiastical authority not to be revealed until 1960.
    [...]
    The dramatic reiteration of the revelation of the second secret about Soviet Russia immediately assumed a tremendous religious and political significance. The timing of the “disclosure” could not have been better chosen. The Fascist dictatorships were talking the same language: the annihilation of Soviet Russia.
    [...]
    Pius XII encouraged Catholics to volunteer for the Russian front. Catholics—most of them devotees of the Virgin of Fatima —joined the Nazi armies, from Italy, France, Ireland, Belgium, Holland, Latin America, the U.S. and Portugal. Spain sent a Catholic Blue Division.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1843877

    Avro Manhattan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Manhattan

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-little-cucks-national-review-kevin-d-williamson-and-the-pointless-persuasion/#comment-1990640

    Joe McCarthy’s Jesuit
    Mark Judge
    [...]
    This no doubt has much to do with the fact that Edmund Walsh was arguably the first American anti-communist (not to mention the fact that Walsh’s preached preemptive strikes against aggressors decades before the word neoconservative existed).
    https://spectator.org/48284_joe-mccarthys-jesuit/

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-reality-of-red-subversion/#comment-1697822

    WALSH WAS ORDAINED A PRIEST on June 28, 1916. In 1919, after the first World War, he founded the Georgetown School of Foreign Service. In February 1922, Walsh went to Rome, where he was assigned the papal relief Mission to Russia. Russia, having just undergone a revolution five years earlier, was in the midst of a famine. It would claim over five million victims by the end of 1922. Russia was also in the midst of a purge against the religious, and the Holy See gave Walsh authority to negotiate on behalf of clerical prisoners.

    • Replies: @Alden
  103. Death by heart attack does not automatically clear the driver of the car. Much will depend on the laws in Virgina and if the driver committed a negligent or criminal act.

    “Justice Cooper also noted that nearly every jurisdiction in the United States has upheld convictions predicated upon death by heart attack. In 1986, the Kentucky Supreme Court upheld a murder conviction where the defendant raped and assaulted an eighty-year old woman who died twenty-nine days later from a heart attack. In that case, there was evidence that the victim, aside from her advanced age, had previously suffered a heart attack and suffered from severe coronary disease. Nevertheless, a jury could properly consider whether her death was attributable to the defendant’s acts and that the injuries “hastened her death”. Other states have upheld convictions where death by heart attack resulted from “emotional stress” rather than physical injuries suffered during a crime.

    Reasoning that it would not be apparent to most jurors that a heart attack was the result of the physical altercation between Binta and Brutus, the Kentucky Court determined that expert medical testimony was necessary. Since manslaughter in the second-degree requires proof that the defendant wantonly disregarded a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the altercation would result in her father’s death, the medical examiner’s opinion was not tantamount to telling the jury that a crime had occurred.

    By permitting his testimony, the medical examiner was not being permitted to testify whether Binta was acting wantonly, recklessly or accidentally. That question was only for the jury and the decision would ultimately determine whether Binta had actually committed a crime.

    Often times, unintended consequences result from what might only constitute minor criminal activity. ”

    http://www.somerset-kentucky.com/homicide-by-heart-attack/article_fc80082a-c73d-58d1-b350-2a944bbbb868.html

  104. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    part of the problem — a major part of the problem w/ alt-right is it has no firm intellectual grounding and has zero zip zilch effective spokesmen.

    “Cathedral” is a tendentious and loaded way to refer to the “deep state”.

    “Synagogue” or “Temple” would be more appropriate.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Santoculto
  105. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tradecraft46

    totally disagree.

    Horst Wessel was not a fat blob.

  106. Mark Caplan says: • Website

    On NBC News, Heather’s mother said paramedics revived Heather briefly at the scene, but then her heart stopped and they couldn’t revive her a second time, so, in that sense, she died of a heart attack. The impact of the car on heather’s body might still have been the primary cause of death.

    • Replies: @Randal
  107. FKA Max says:
    @VICB3

    Great comment!

    You are pretty much indispensable, in my opinion.

    This is how I see Mr. Unz; he is one of the few elites/institutional guardians who thinks for himself:

    The key to throwing off these chains of mental immaturity is reason. There is hope that the entire public could become a force of free thinking individuals if they are free to do so. Why? There will always be a few people, even among the institutional “guardians,” who think for themselves. They will help the rest of us to “cultivate our minds.”

    http://www.unz.com/article/trumps-warsaw-speech-and-the-real-clash-of-civilizations/#comment-1947233

    Does The Unz Review stand behind all the controversial claims made in the articles it publishes?

    Absolutely not! In any event, that would be a logical impossibility, since so many of the writers and their arguments directly contradict one another. Each reader must carefully weigh the logic and evidence backing the viewpoint of each author and decide for himself how much—or how little—of the material to accept. Thinking for yourself is difficult but necessary.

    http://www.unz.com/masthead/#frequently-asked-questions-faq

    http://www.unz.com/announcement/new-software-releaseopen-thread/#comment-1949325

    Thank you, Mr. Unz, from the bottom of my heart. You and Peter Thiel are true American Patriots.

    http://www.unz.com/pgottfried/yes-virginia-dare-there-are-righteous-jews-for-trump/#comment-1642432

    A Reformation is coming, and its message will be the same as it was 500 years ago: Don’t outsource your future to a big institution. You need to figure it out for yourself.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/peter-thiel-thinking-too-highly-of-higher-ed/2014/11/21/f6758fba-70d4-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html?utm_term=.b4eb7c1e501e

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/intercept-harvard-westlake-school-is-alt-right-madrassa/#comment-1863780

    I think you need to read or re-read the two following articles by Mr. Unz to understand where he is coming from:

    American Pravda: How the CIA Invented “Conspiracy Theories”

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-the-cia-invented-conspiracy-theories/

    [...]
    American Pravda: Breaching the Media Barrier

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-breaching-the-media-barrier/

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1711304

    I believe, investigating and debating Pizzagate “stretches” people’s thinking and broadens their horizons, Rigour Rod. That is why I encourage and participate in the Pizzagate investigation and debate.
    [...]
    There is a mythical place, Rigour Rod, known as Silicon Valley, I believe Mr. Unz lives in that legendary place
    [...]
    To succeed here, one needed to tap into this vibe. Unlike the keep-your-head-down mentality of Washingtonians, strangers in Silicon Valley are inclined to interact based on a common mission to design the next great thing. [...]
    To understand what a pro-entrepreneur policy might look like, one must first understand what it means to be a tech startup. These hyper-caffeinated folks think of themselves as “great disrupters,” tearing down the establishment and building back the world in their vision.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/halsinger/2013/06/26/the-great-disrupters-of-silicon-valley/#5d4a66486916

    I understand and see the Unz Review as a journalistic extension and projection of this innovative Silicon Valley “disrupter” vibe and spirit beyond the physical/geographical borders of the Silicon Valley

    http://www.unz.com/article/precedents-for-pizzagate/#comment-1719199

  108. @anonymous

    Yes, “the Cathedral” is based on a very stupid understanding of both cathedral building and modern political structures. I’d honestly have a hard time coming up with a worse metaphor for defiantly eurocentric anti-globalists to use. It would be like back to the land socialists calling the the global capitalist elite “the Commune”.

  109. @Tony Vodvarka

    Crisis actors are the same in each fake crisis. It helps keep the people in the know to a minimum.

  110. Wally says:
    @anon

    Your petty little Zionist mind is confused again.

  111. Tyrion says:
    @Anonymous

    Any publicity is good publicity. It’s better to be denounced by the media than ignored by it.

    That simply isn’t true. It is just something people say when they overstate the point that infamy and bad publicity can sometimes be helpful.

    You need to understand that Jewish activists associate Hitler with the persecution of Jews to discredit the persecution of Jews. Only internet idiots think they associate Hitler with the persecution of Jews to discredit Hitler. Hitler, because he was the enemy in a war and was defeated, was what made persecuting the Jews taboo not the other way around.

    Associating anything with Hitler discredits that thing, and activist Jews’ job is to discredit the persecution of Jews. Duh…

    If you need further proof just think: Hitler gets more publicity than any 20th Century leader and yet is the most unpopular. Publicity is not always helpful.

    Furthermore, there are lots of other ways to generate publicity…

    1. Find high profile people who might hold anti-white or whatever beliefs. Pretend to support them, provoke them into saying something that crosses the line. Make sure you secretly film it and post it to the internet. There are lines that prestigious organisations or people can’t cross even when it comes to white people and insulting the group. Look at the formerly very prestigious PR firm Bell Pottinger for a clear example.

    2. Provoke the most combustible and least disciplined elements of your opposition’s coalition. That Pastor who burnt the Qur’an was famous around the world. There are an infinite number of ways which you can quite harmlessly cause mass chimpouts among different parts of the progressive coalition.

    3. Do something weird. People like weird shit and newspapers will always publish it. Hundreds engaging in actual physical self-flagellation to satirise what is expected of white people today would do it. You’ll suffer pain but that will just make your cause look more real in today’s victim culture.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
  112. Wally says:
    @biz

    Juvenile argument.

    [MORE]

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @biz
  113. Randal says:
    @Tyrion

    As for Charlottesville, Trump was sort of wrong stating that there was an equivalence between the two groups of protesters. There is no equivalence between a legal group of protesters and those who illegally assembled to infringe the first group’s civil rights. Regardless of what anybody thinks of the relative merits of their causes.

    That is the right ground to stand on in this argument.

    This is entirely correct imo.

    The left has tried to conflate aggressive and actively violent intimidation with the exercise of free speech and assembly rights, whilst trying to deny those rights to dissenting opinions, and that is the most active front today in the eternal war against liberty. That is, or should be, the overriding concern today.

    Other issues, such as the one about Nazis and associating with Nazis are, or should be, entirely tactical by contrast, and reasonable people can legitimately disagree upon it (though not all people who adopt positions on it are reasonable or honest – some are minority identity lobbyists seeking to pursue the sectarian interests of their favoured identity lobby). I disagree with your stance, because I see the anti-Nazi and anti-racist taboos as the most disabling cultural weapons in the anti-free speech and anti-liberty arsenal. And that in full knowledge that Nazism is not in any way compatible with liberty in its implementation.

    So long as those associations are so toxic that people defending liberty are constantly forced to defend themselves against “when did you stop beating your wife”-style questions about it, there is no hope of any progress imo.

    So will we break those taboos by banishing anyone even suspected of verboten sympathies, and endlessly squabbling amongst ourselves about who might be a dangerous Nazi or racist? Well, that’s been the mainstream right approach for decades and far from solving anything it’s pretty much left the left in complete control of everything that matters (even when the leftists in question are supposedly, nominally “right-wing”, such as pro-immigration, pro-social liberal, pro-interventionist “conservative” party elected representatives in government and controlling “conservative” party hierarchies and media sinecures). People identifying as “Nazi” etc will never disappear, because the more you make it a forbidden, shocking transgression, the more you will make it attractive to the excluded, the marginalised and the rebellious. People with “racist” views will never disappear for the same reason, and because those views speak to fundamental truths that are actively denied by the Official Truth of our modern cultures.

    I have a dream, that one day leftists and identity lobbies will no longer be able to destroy careers and livelihoods, and to defeat sound intellectual positions and arguments, by smears and guilt by association and by censorship, that one day the right will become more like the left has been in its march to triumph over the past few decades, in being more disciplined in not “punching right” except grudgingly and where absolutely necessary to survive. That those with extreme right-wing views will be as free as those with extreme leftist radical positions have been to have cosy establishment sinecures and cultural propaganda pulpits.

    That dream is unlikely to come true, but I still think the only way to discredit these taboos is to defy them and to ridicule them, not to appease them. That’s how religious taboos were destroyed in Europe and the US, by and large.

    On the other hand, the utter incoherence of this article appalls me. Is this just published as a fishing piece for the censors? Has Mr Unz gotten bored with the site and decided it would be most fun, and productive for him to be a free speech martyr? To be fair, if so, this is a clever plan and I very much hope he succeeds. Sites like the Daily Stormer should not need to resort to the Dark Net, obviously. It is entirely against the spirit of the free exchange of ideas to ban them.

    This particular article appears to me to be incoherent, nasty (in its ridiculing of the recently dead) and gratuitously provocative (but see the above on ridiculing the taboos that control opinion). Nevertheless there are arguably good reasons for publishing it. It is addressing the specific issue that was used as the pretext for the recent corporatist crackdown on political liberty. Its provocative nature draws attention to serious questions over the incident it is addressing (though it does not address those issues at all forensically – that’s for another article on another day).

    As for why Ron Unz chose to publish it despite those attributes, that’s a matter for speculation, obviously, as neither of us (presumably) know him well enough to know his mind or to have discussed it with him. It could be, as I described it above, his way of raising a middle finger to the censors, and, as you put it, to take a stand as a potential free speech martyr, if he considers that an appropriate strategy.

    Or it could be, as others have implied, that Ron Unz is seeking to discredit white nationalism and Nazi sympathising and publishes such material in order to do so, having adopted your evident position that the correct way to address the taboos is to reinforce them and that letting these people discredit themselves is a way to do that.

    Or it could even be that he was busy and not paying close attention to the content that was published and would rather it had not been published, though my impression is that he keeps a close eye on what is published on his site.

    For me, fwiw, I would have published it as a raised middle finger to the censors.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  114. Randal says:
    @Sean

    Oh, I think he would do well to get only second degree. He did something that he knew could easily result in serious injury and someone died of it. That is wide open to a murder charge.

    Wide open to such a charge perhaps, but not necessarily a conviction if he was, in fact, acting in the heat of the moment and in fear for his life with no intent to harm, as can easily be speculated (and seems to me to be much the most likely situation). In that case lesser charges of manslaughter or motoring offences could easily be appropriate, or even an acquittal. We will not have the information necessary to assess that issue probably until after a full trial. Which is of course the whole purpose of such a trial.

    As to whether a fair and honest trial will be allowed to occur, given the political stakes involved, depends a lot upon individuals involved in the investigation and trial process and their personal integrity, and the honesty of the jury members, all of which must surely be in doubt on an inflamed issue like this.

  115. Randal says:
    @Mark Caplan

    On NBC News, Heather’s mother said paramedics revived Heather briefly at the scene, but then her heart stopped and they couldn’t revive her a second time, so, in that sense, she died of a heart attack. The impact of the car on heather’s body might still have been the primary cause of death.

    Absolutely, and if that were the case a murder/manslaughter charge might still be appropriate.

    This article makes no attempt to clarify what it means in that regard despite its dramatic headline, and therefore makes no sense as a standalone piece. it reads as though it is written for insiders already in the midst of an ongoing conversation about the incident.

    (That doesn’t mean it was necessarily wrong to publish it, for the reasons I’ve outlined separately above).

  116. fnn says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    There are always plans to accommodate a wide variety of contingencies. Some years ago it was revealed that US had a plan to invade Canada-just in case something or other unexpected happened.

    It should also be remembered that Hitler met with Molotov in Nov. 1940 to try to get the Sovs to become full members of the Axis. But Molotov made what Hitler deemed to be outrageous demands and the whole thing was dropped. IIRC, AH made the decision to invade the USSR the next month.

  117. @Tyrion

    These are good suggestions, certainly a lot more constructive than what the morons using Nazi symbols are doing.

  118. @Alden

    I asked Mr Google about coroner’s reports. They are public property EXCEPT in criminal litigation. So we’ll have to wait till the trial.

    I’ve been wondering why Fields’ arrest report (the kind of thing you usually see on The Smoking Gun site) or the public prosecutor’s documents aren’t publicly available. Are these all embargoed? Is anything known about the prosecution schedule?

  119. Jim Given says:

    I greatly respect this site for content not available in the Ruling Class media-stream.

    No content in this article! Just ugly invective. Too bad this article is featured on this site.

  120. 2Mintzin1 says:
    @Steve L

    By publishing this vicious, incoherent crap, Unz is inviting condemnation of this entire website and anyone who writes for it.

    This article, well, more of a rant than anything else, really sounds like it was written by a troll SJW.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Ace
  121. geokat62 says:
    @Randal

    As for why Ron Unz chose to publish it despite those attributes, that’s a matter for speculation, obviously, as neither of us (presumably) know him well enough to know his mind or to have discussed it with him.

    Given the apparent storm of controversy generated by this article, it perhaps behooves our host to provide us with his rationale for choosing to publish this sort of article. Doing so might dampen all the wild speculation in which some are engaging.

  122. This article doesn’t really fit well with the rest of unz.com. It’s just dribble. What’s the motivation for having it here? Is it kicking back at the censors after the Daily Stormer and Stormfront were knocked off the Internet?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  123. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Santoculto

    Former Harvard PHD and Professor of Clinical Psychology. Very Darwinian.

    I do not think that will be any worry at all.

    • Replies: @Santoculto
  124. @Cagey Beast

    I don’t necessarily disagree, but at the very least the TWP, Defend Evropa et al would have to not associate with actual swastika-flying Nazi LARPers and Internet trolls if they’re to be an asset rather than a liability. The Left can afford to associate with murderous Maoist scum, black race-hate terrorists et al. The Right cannot afford to associate with guys waving swastikas.

    I would like the cut off to be there – between the hard Right and the loony Right. As it is the hard Right has chosen to cuddle up with the loonies and the effective cut-off is much further left, between Libertarian Nationalists and hard-Right Identitarians. And Antifa wants to kill everyone – I was just reading the free bits of ‘The Anti-Fascist Handbook’ (Sept 2017) – in their world Milo, Gavin McInnes, Lauren Southern and Nigel Farage are just as much Nazis as Andrew Anglin and just as marked for slaughter.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  125. Avery says:
    @geokat62

    When you (generic ‘you’) start explaining why you did this or that in this context, you open the door to more and more questions and speculation.

    No matter what rationale Ron gives, there will be many posters who find fault with it, will want further clarification…..and the cycle of speculations will start new.
    Ad infinitum.

    Why bother?
    What’s the actionable, tangible downside for Ron? (…in not explaining anything).
    I don’t see any.

  126. @geokat62

    No I think it would be entirely valid for a strong believer in free speech to throw something like this on the table and leave the rest of us to sort it out. There’s no reason Mr Unz has to justify making that call. I do think though that if too many of these dog’s breakfast articles are posted at this site, the overall quality will inevitably drop.

  127. @Logan

    We live in a socialist country with a 20 trillion federal debt. A retired financial adviser friend said that the dirt will hit the fan, so to speak, around 2032. I’ve read that elsewhere, too.

    The Nazis indulged in deficit spending before WWII, too. That’s one of the reasons they went to war. As my financial adviser remarked, nations don’t go bankrupt, they go to war.

    The only system that works long term is living within one’s means. That applies to an individual, a family and a country.

    • Replies: @Logan
  128. @anonymous

    Cathedral is not deep state, it’s about outer state, the educated/doctrinated classes of privileged slave house. (((deep state))).

  129. @Anon

    Because it’s”Darwinian” don’t mean it’s good and I don’t understood your reply.

    Any “religion” tend to mean apophenia as the rule…just like leftism.

  130. @TelfoedJohn

    Is it kicking back at the censors after the Daily Stormer and Stormfront were knocked off the Internet?

    That’s most likely it. This article serves a useful purpose if that was the goal. People who aren’t paedophiles or designer party drug users can see some Daily Stormer content without installing a Tor browser to visit the “dark web”. Druggies and paedos can use their existing Tor set-up as is.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    , @Dr. X
  131. AndrewR says:
    @Amasius

    I haven’t seen enough about Heyer to know whether she was just naïve or if she was malicious. But in general, I concur with your sentiment. The left has shown it will stop at nothing to crush anyone who opposes their neocommunist, anti-white agenda. I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve been insulted and threatened simply for asserting that whites have the same right to identity politics as any other group.

  132. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    “…seems to have been written by a neo-Nazi”…

    “…I don’t want it taken off the net…”

    Well then, you better make sure you only think correcthought…

    ‘Cause you are a goodwhite, hmm?

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  133. @Anon

    That’s why I spoke of “effective” abrogation. Lithuania was initially in the German sphere of influence, and before the fighting in Poland was even over the Soviets pressured the Germans for revisions, swapping strategically important Lithuania for worthless Polish territory. The Germans were clearly in a weaker position and the Soviets gave them every reason to be suspicious.

  134. @Anonymous

    I think that there are different reasons for different people. All stupid reasons.

    Some want attention, like you wrote.

    I think that some are so eaten up with hatred of Jews that they willfully ignore the non-Jewish victims of the Nazis. Many of the victims were Germans, Aryans as they would have it.

  135. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Amasius

    She was old, childless and ugly. Women in this condition are often twisted and malevolent, and filled with hatred towards wholesome and beautiful things. Our ancestors may have been simple-minded and superstitious people, but they understood better than we do the diabolical urges of such females, and disposed of them accordingly.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  136. @Stonehands

    The Nazis were mass murdering bastards. The commies killed more, but that doesn’t absolve the Nazis of their atrocities.

    The Nazi brand is toxic and most white Americans are turned off by them. Many Americans had relatives in the war who fought them, including me.

    I would be called a Nazi by an Antifa simply for voting for Trump.

    • Agree: Simon in London
    • Replies: @Stonehands
  137. Alden says:

    Just looked at the picture again. Is the picture photoshopped? Usually patients on gurneys are covered with a blanket. Why did they take her pants off? Her left arm looks as though it’s holding a cell phone.

  138. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    Wasn’t she only about 35? Not exactly old.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  139. Alden says:
    @2Mintzin1

    Liberals hate the most polite, PC well written articles that disagree with the latest cause.

    I’m sure if liberals read the 1965 civil rights act and the 1968 non discrimination civil rights act* they would start screaming about White supremacy and Nazis and that equal rights means Whites have better outcomes than minorities and LBGTRQs
    No matter how well written liberals don’t approve of anything Whites do. So why bother being nice, they’ll hate us anyway
    * aka affirmative action discrimination act

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    , @Wizard of Oz
  140. I am not sure that the ‘heart attack’ idea may matter as much as people here think.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

  141. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Hairway To Steven

    So we should start self-censoring ahead of time? Fuck that.

    If unz.com gets taken offline, perhaps Run Unz will be able to re-launch it on an .onion

  142. Wally says:
    @wayfarer

    Jew as staged ‘Nazi’.
    LOL

    • Replies: @Anon
  143. Alden says:
    @Sean

    But she was in the middle of the street. Double standards. What ever happened to the Somalian Muslim cop who murdered Justine Dimomd in Minneapolis?

    All it will take is one decent White on the jury. Participation in a felony? Unless the street was blocked off by police, not just liberals, Fields was lawfully driving down the street. They were jaywalking whatever the legal term is.
    What is the law in that state ?

    driver who drives within the law
    within the speed limit not speeding,
    stops at stop signs and lights,
    in the proper lane,
    not weaving or going over the middle line
    doing everything according to the DMV code.

    And that driver who is committing no driving violations or misdemeanor or felony hits a person who is jaywalking, not even in an intersection.

    Were he black or a liberal he’d get off easily. But he’s a White man, lowest of the low and not under civil rights protection.

  144. fenster says:
    @Montefrío

    totally agree. article is not worthy of the site.

  145. RobinG says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    “On the attached NY Times article, the black manager who hired her said that a fellow that Ms. Heyer dated objected to her friendship with him.”

    If that’s really what the NYTimes said, that’s too bad. (The ‘paper of record’ shouldn’t be so sloppy.) Heather worked for a black attorney. Speaking at her funeral, he said that Heather’s white boyfriend had objected to her working for a black man. (And that she had terminated that relationship.)

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  146. Alden says:
    @Sean

    I know a man who was driving home west on Manchester Blvd Los Angeles the day the Rodney King riot began.

    Blacks were loitering around but they always were. He stopped at a stop sign. A black charged with a 2 by 4. He hit the gas, hit the black and got out of the area. That’s near where Reginald Denny and Fidel Lopez were dragged out of their cars and beaten, Denny almost to death.

    Fields has no money , not worth litigation. But Hyer’s family should sue the Police, highway patrol and the city for wrongful death due to the willful negligence of allowing an out of control mob to block the street.

  147. @Alden

    But still fat and ugly, with no prospects for motherhood. The connection between unattractive women and feminism (and leftist agitation in general) is pretty well-established, even cucks like Rush Limbaugh discuss it.

    • Replies: @Alden
  148. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    “..,I would be called a Nazi by an Antifa simply for voting for Trump…”

    You win the Hand Wringer of the Month award at the intellectual POW camp formerly known as the interwebs…

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  149. Dr. X says:
    @Alden

    If you guys read the Daily Stormer you’d recognize the style. The author is almost certainly Andrew Anglin, whose stuff is often rambling and unsourced. It’s intended to be very provocative, hot-button-pushing, no-holds-barred propaganda. It’s not highbrow, it’s pro-white yellow journalism.

    But it’s also usually insightful — and sometimes brilliant. And he’s right about more than his enemies would like to admit. That’s precisely why they tried to shut him down — but only with partial success. His site is still up on an -onion.link address on the darkweb if you search for it.

  150. Dr. X says:
    @Cagey Beast

    “Is it kicking back at the censors after the Daily Stormer and Stormfront were knocked off the Internet?”

    That’s most likely it. This article serves a useful purpose if that was the goal. People who aren’t paedophiles or designer party drug users can see some Daily Stormer content without installing a Tor browser to visit the “dark web”. Druggies and paedos can use their existing Tor set-up as is.

    You don’t need to install a Tor browser to read Daily Stormer. Just google “Daily Stormer onion link” and you’ll find the address easily.

  151. Stealth says:

    Unless it’s to show readers how unhinged the writer is, I don’t see the point of putting this kind of stuff on Unz.com. This was chock full of genuine anti-Semitism.

    • Replies: @Randal
  152. @Dr. X

    His site is still up on an -onion.link address on the darkweb if you search for it.

    And while you’re there, feel free to enjoy the wide selection of kiddie porn, credit card numbers and party drugs.

    • Replies: @Anon
  153. @Hippopotamusdrome

    So what? I’m not Jewish or Israeli so what they do or don’t do has nothing to do with what I think of NS Germany’s race laws. You might as well show me a map of the Buenos Aires Metro.

    No, the NS regime’s race laws seemed stupid and unfair even to those who were unapologetically anti-Jewish but not on pseudo-scientific grounds. Check out Hilaire Belloc on this:

    https://archive.org/details/IntroductoryChapterToThe3rdEdtionOfTheJewsByHilaireBelloc

  154. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Amasius

    So to summarize, a morbidly obese Heyer died in Charlottesville, not from the car crash, but from a heart attack. The leftist media and other leftist organizations, doctor the story up as a clear cut murder case and by extension condemn every person there who was on the same side of the protests as the driver. The left, ever searching for it’s great white defendant, gleefully seized upon the excuse to carry out a purge and silencing campaign against anyone they can track down on the non-Establishment Right, and effect a chilling campaign against anyone who would dare question the Narrative, as a desperate attempt to regain absolute control over Information which they have been steadily losing due to the internet.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
    , @Henry's Cat
    , @Randal
  155. I clicked on this article because I hadn’t heard anything about this incident. After I finished reading, I still didn’t know anything about what happened. The only information I was able to glean from the article is that the author is clearly in a manic state.

    • Troll: Stonehands
  156. 2Mintzin1 says:
    @Alden

    I do not understand your point. I am not saying there isn’t one, but: What is it?

    • Replies: @Alden
  157. Alden says:
    @IndieRafael

    Totally disagree. It wasn’t written very well but we should give liberals back what they give us.

    I remember when a liberal told me”Every bite of food that goes in your children’s mouth is stolen from a third world child”

    They hate me. I hate them.

  158. Alden says:
    @nsa

    But was Fields commiting a felony by driving down a street that was suddenly
    blocked?

    There’s lots of case law on pedestrians running into streets and getting hit by cars whose drivers were driving according to state vehicle code.

    None of us work for the local DA.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  159. Mr. Anon says:

    That was a really trashy article. It’s too bad that Occidental Dissent seems to be embracing the viewpoint and aesthetics of the repellant “Daily Stormer” website. Heyer’s mother said she died of a heart attack. That doesn’t mean that she wasn’t killed by the car. Trauma caused by the car hitting her could have led to heart failure. In some jurisdictions, if you rob a bank, and a bystander dies of a heart-attack during the robbery, you can be deemed guilty of murder.

    Other than that one lone fact, of no importance itself without more context, the article contained nothing of value. If it had been designed to bring the alt-right into disrepute, it would have looked much the same. Alt-right sites like OD and TRS have not exactly covered themselves in glory after Charlotte. Instead they seem to have embraced the Nazi label, which is a really stupid thing to do. Even Richard Spencer (who himself has not been very smart about curating his brand) condemned the callous and derogatory things said about the dead woman.

    The (formerly) alt-right internet personality RamZPaul has publicly speculated that Andrew Anglin is an agent provocateur who is consciously trying to derail the alt-right.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @AndrewR
    , @Anon
  160. Alden says:
    @RobinG

    IN this day and age he objected to her working for a black attorney?

    It’s either a total lie or Heather had a little office romance going on with a fellow worker.

    I think it’s a lie.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  161. Mr. Anon says:

    Alt-right sites like OD and TRS have not exactly covered themselves in glory after Charlotte.

    Make that Charlottesville.

  162. Alden says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Anyone under 40 can easily get pregnant. Remember, she had a boyfriend. How do you know she had no prospects of getting pregnant? Ever heard of birth control? Just because you don’t find her appealing doesn’t mean no one does. I will skip the last call lay and beer glasses jokes. But there are plenty of men in the world who like sex and don’t care what the woman looks like.

    And who cares what liberals look like? It’s what they do that is harmful.

    Senator Dianne Feinstein is a democrat married to a multi billionaire liberal. I saw her a lot when I lived near her in San Francisco when she was young.
    Drop dead beautiful, much prettier than she photographed. Nancy Pelosi was just cute. Barbara Boxer an ugly midget who many people assumed was a lesbian at first glance.

    Feminazis, like conservative men are mostly average with some good looking some ugly. Rush Limbaugh is about her size. Yet conservatives admire him.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  163. Alden says:
    @2Mintzin1

    Sorry I couldn’t express myself well. I just meant that liberals want to end equal rights for Whites. And give privileged status to minorities and the varieties of gays

  164. Issac says:
    @utu

    It’s almost as if the only people brave enough to point out the inconsistent narrative are also fed up enough with diaspora gatekeepers that they’re willing to don a very frightening face. G-d only knows how mad I’d be if a cabal of Scots controlled the Israeli media and used an event like this to throw Likud supporters in jail and throw open the borders for every arab shitbag in the West Bank. I can hardly claim to sympathize, but I do understand their logic.

  165. Wally says:
    @Anon

    You are clearly ignorant about everything you say.

  166. Wally says: • Website
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Every major country has a ‘plan’ to invade every other country. Their military would be remiss if they didn’t.

    The USSR’s offensive positioning of men & materials gave their real and actual plan away.

    Not to mention Stalin’s own speech shortly after their timeline for invading Germany was set.

    Not to mention the Allies declaration of war against Germany for ‘invading’ Poland, but no such declaration against the communist USSR who really did invade Poland

    Disagree? Then debate at The Forum here.

    http://www.codoh.com

    Thanks.

  167. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    It’s too bad that Occidental Dissent seems to be embracing the viewpoint and aesthetics of the repellant “Daily Stormer” website

    Cry more. :)

  168. AndrewR says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Anglin’s style is crass but TDS objectively is really no worse than Salon or HuffPo or any explicitly anti-white sites. Leftists never condemn those sites so I don’t care what Anglin does. That horrific Gersh demon in Whitefish deserved everything she got and more.

  169. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    That was a really trashy article. It’s too bad that Occidental Dissent seems to be embracing the viewpoint and aesthetics of the repellant “Daily Stormer” website.

    Boo Hoo you little baby. Want me to call the Waaambulance?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  170. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast

    feel free to enjoy the wide selection of kiddie porn, credit card numbers and party drugs.

    You seem very familiar with these things.

  171. Tyrion says:
    @Anonymous

    Here is an article which pulls apart an SJW victim narrative. Compare and contrast it to the one above.

    Which one do you think is more effective?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/26/the-truth-behind-americas-most-famous-gay-hate-murder-matthew-shepard

    • Replies: @Randal
    , @Alden
  172. @RobinG

    Thanks for the clarification. The NY Times article said “friendship.” I didn’t read the article that you referenced. Either way, I find it odd that her boyfriend objected. If anything, he should have been grateful that she worked as a paralegal despite lacking a college degree or even a paralegal certificate. I worked at a law firm and paralegals needed both.

  173. @Alden

    I thought the same thing. It’s either a lie or there’s something more.

  174. @Anonymous

    Why does this comment (and a couple of others) have a golden border? Is it a mark of distinction?

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  175. Randal says:
    @Stealth

    This was chock full of genuine anti-Semitism.

    Yes. It came from a genuinely anti-Semitic site. It’d be a bit surprising if it didn’t contain at least some anti-Semitic material.

    So what?

  176. Randal says:
    @Anonymous

    So to summarize, a morbidly obese Heyer died in Charlottesville, not from the car crash, but from a heart attack.

    That she died from a heart attack does not mean she did not die as a result of the car crash. Outcomes can have more than one cause. Though it’s theoretically possible the whole thing was made up and she was not involved in the car crash at all, the article in question puts forward no evidence to support such a dramatic suggestion (which I, for one, would absolutely love to be true). Most likely, she was involved in the car crash, but received injuries that were not immediately fatal and quite possibly even not life threatening in themselves to somebody in a less unhealthy condition, and subsequently died as a result of a heart attack brought on by the stress and trauma of the incident.

    That would not probably help the driver of the car, who would still be held culpable for killing her if the crash were held to have been culpable, but it does help to indicate circumstantially that the car crash itself was not as high speed as people naturally assume given that someone was killed by it.

    A video posted previously showed the car’s brake lights were on as he approached the crowd, suggesting strongly that he was trying to avoid the collision and refuting the idea put about by the media that this was a deliberate murder attack of the kind popularised by muslim terrorists recently, for instance. The fact that the dead woman died of a heart attack most likely because of her evidently extremely unhealthy condition and not directly as a result of trauma injuries sustained in the collision itself helps there.

    The leftist media and other leftist organizations, doctor the story up as a clear cut murder case and by extension condemn every person there who was on the same side of the protests as the driver.

    Yes, they did, because they are a bunch of lying propagandists who cannot be trusted to tell the truth about anything connected to the antiracist and anti-Nazi taboos. Rather, the safe assumption is that anything reported by the mainstream media or written in discussion pieces by mainstream media and establishment political commentators, whether leftist or establishment right, about any such matters, is deliberately deceptive in the direction detrimental to the conservative/nativist/racist/traditionalist side, until proven otherwise.

    The left, ever searching for it’s great white defendant, gleefully seized upon the excuse to carry out a purge and silencing campaign against anyone they can track down on the non-Establishment Right, and effect a chilling campaign against anyone who would dare question the Narrative, as a desperate attempt to regain absolute control over Information which they have been steadily losing due to the internet.

    Yes, they did, and that is what needs to be kicked back against in the strongest possible terms. The whole concept collection of “hate speech”, of offence or theoretical fear as harm, of racism/sexism/antisemitism/homophobia/islamophobia etc as taboo, needs to be derided and attacked wherever it is found.

  177. Randal says:
    @Tyrion

    Look at this apple. Now look at this orange.

    See how different they are!

  178. prusmc says:
    @Rich

    Rich:

    Roger on your support of Ron Unz! Having said that the article is incoherient; however, that does not mean it is without some testable strand of validity. It is evident that the modern day left has its’ Horst Wessel (better that it is a she). Where is a serious investigator like Jack Cashill, Jerome Corsi or a domestic version of the Saker going to put the facts out and weave a logical scenario of what went down. The truth ultimately came out about Trevon Martin and Michael Brown fake hate crimes. Most people just ignore it but it was published. Informative data by reporters helped tarnish the images of both John Kerry and John McCain. They were shown to be less heroic than the PR image that had cultivated portrayed them to be.

  179. Thanks, Ron. Didn’t realise till you published this article how much of a bigot I’d become.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  180. @Alden

    Fair enough re. Heyer, but I think it’s pretty clear most feminists resemble Andrea Dworkin more than Dianne Feinstein (young or old). And the more general point (mentioned earlier) refers to the potential for destructiveness by the female character when divorced (pardon the pun) from human nature.

    • Replies: @Anon
  181. Tyrion says:
    @NeoNaziCuck

    Cuck doesn’t work as an insult for people who frequently say and read things that would get them fired from work…they just remember that there are crazy people to the right as well.

  182. @Alden

    There’s lots of case law on pedestrians running into streets and getting hit by cars whose drivers were driving according to state vehicle code.

    Yes, the commies were breaking the law. But this was not a person running into the street in front of a car. There was a large mob. I am not saying the driver committed a felony, but he was responsible for controlling his vehicle. A good case could be made for negligent homicide in this matter.

    • Replies: @Alden
  183. biz says:
    @Wally

    Ok, that was incoherent, but here’s something I’m wondering:

    Let’s say that we were in an alternate unverse and it turned out that the Holocaust is actually a hoax. No mass genocide of Jews by the Nazi regime. Would that a) raise or b) lower Nazis in your esteem?

    • Replies: @Wally
  184. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Joseph Saladino (guy wearing swastika armband in pic) isn’t Jewish.

    • Replies: @Wally
  185. We can’t judge articles like these based on what the legacy media or academia will think simply because they call everyone Nazis, racists and misogynists. The last few decades have proven we can try to play nicely inside the boundaries they impose and the only reward we’ll get is even tighter boundaries. That being said, we have to judge this piece by our own criteria. I say it’s trash.

  186. Wally says:
    @Anon

    But that is not Saladino ….. per Saladino and the retractions by those that said it was.

    Ouch!!

    You dumb hick Zionist.

    • Replies: @Anon
  187. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Left has all this ass-backwards.

    “Nazis” don’t stop being “nazis” because they’re threatened, harassed, silenced, and banned from employment and promotion.

    They become “nazis” because they’re threatened, harassed, silenced, and banned from employment and promotion for being white.

  188. Wally says:
    @biz

    Anon,
    Dumb question.
    It raises the esteem of Germans by everyone, including the Germans.

    • Replies: @Anon
  189. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    He didn’t ask about Germans. He asked about Nazis.

  190. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Yes it is.

    • Replies: @Wally
  191. fnn says:
    @Dr. X

    DS is now allegedly coming out of Austria (I doubt it).

    https://dailystormer.at/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.at

    Many Austrian domain names were registered for English words that end with “at”. Domain hacks treating “at” as a word in its own right (such as arrive.at) are widespread. As of today, there are very few such domain names left available on the domain prime market as the result of the domain name speculation. Most of them can be bought on the domain secondary market.

  192. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Nonsense. The Soviets demanded revision because the Nazis had already crossed the Vistula before the Soviets could invade. If the Nazis withdrew from territory already taken, except in a minimal fashion, it would indicate to everyone that they were colluding. As a result, the Nazis withdrew from part of NE Poland and amended the annex of the pact to apportion Lithuania to the Soviet sphere of influence.

    To suggest the Nazis were in the weaker position is to deny everything we know about the war to that point.

  193. Wally says:
    @Anon

    https://www.inquisitr.com/4429456/youtube-joey-salads-charlottesville-rally-photo/

    “A controversial YouTube personality named Joey Salads was incorrectly identified by Twitter as participating in Saturday’s disturbing Charlottesville rally.”

    Salads, born Joseph Saladino.

    You lose again.

    concerning Charlottesville:
    “We have been working on the ground and behind the scenes leading up to, during, and after the rally.”
    - Zionist Jew Anita Gray, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League.
    must read: http://www.unz.com/article/how-the-jews-won-the-battle-of-charlottesville/

    • Replies: @Anon
  194. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    I think your 14 is tripping over your 88, nincompoop.

  195. Olorin says:
    @Tyrion

    Also, why all the cartoonish anti-Semitism?

    Not sure what the “-ish” in “cartoonish” is there.

    A. Wyatt Mann’s Le Happy Merchant as depicted above IS a cartoon. Period.

    Created, what, 13 years ago (early Aughts–can’t recall now)?

    By Nick Bougas. A former comrade-in-zinepranking of Jim Goad.

    It’s a cartoon.

    And it seems the only people who seem to take it seriously are people who are mad to the point of frenzy that the rest of us don’t. (Since it’s a cartoon and all.)

    Which has to raise the question of who the real “anti-Semites” are: those who laugh off/ignore such an image, or those who assert it is a representational totem with huge power to cause harm (i.e., idolatry of graven images).

    And given that it’s been a robust netmeme for over a decade now, I’m finding it hard to figure out why so many Unz.com commenters are getting their jocks in a twist about it.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  196. Olorin says:
    @Simon in London

    the TWP, Defend Evropa et al would have to not associate with actual swastika-flying Nazi LARPers and Internet trolls if they’re to be an asset rather than a liability. The Left can afford to associate with murderous Maoist scum, black race-hate terrorists et al. The Right cannot afford to associate with guys waving swastikas.

    If what I’m hearing from Portland and Berkeley is accurate, the Left dispatches these LARPers to undermine any resistance to their narrative control and scare awakening normies back into narrative compliance.

    Down on the campus of The Evergreen State College, it’s the leftist and BLM parties who are spray painting swastikas.

    Until people liberate their minds and knees from programmed tetanic reactions to these matters, the Left (and the larger Establishment) will continue to assert control with these 20th century memes that caused such devastation of peoples, nations, and the planet.

    • Replies: @Wally
  197. Olorin says:
    @geokat62

    it perhaps behooves our host to provide us with his rationale for choosing to publish this sort of article.

    How about:

    It’s his GD magazine and he can publish anything he wants, at whim. And he appears to adhere to an editorial position of Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.

    Anyone wanting to be spoon-fed editorial positions, to spare themselves the rigors of information hunting-and-gathering, and the experience of encountering unfamiliar or disagreeable items, well…

    …we have CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, HuffPo, NYT, and countless other media outlets for that. They are also all too happy to supply narrative that short-cuts reader/viewer speculation of any sort. For your own good, of course.

  198. I only read a smattering of replies to this post, but I did take the time to view many of the videos in the article. From close observation, which you can do yourself, it is plain to see that at one point in time, just before the gray car rams the protesters, Heather is at the end of the bed of a black pickup truck. Then, just seconds later, the gray car smashes through, and Heather is twenty feet behind the same pickup on the ground. The only way for her to travel 30 or 40 feet in seconds would be if she was hit by the moving car and moved from her original location to the spot where she ended up. Any such contact could be seriously damaging to a person, especially a person who was not in very good physical shape. Receiving a serious injury could lead to the onset of a heart attack as serious physical trauma often has such consequences. So, while Heather may not have died form direct internal or external injuries from being hit by a car, it is likely that she suffered a heart attack as a direct result of being hit and injured by the car.

    • Replies: @utu
  199. MarkinLA says:
    @Hairway To Steven

    Isn’t Unz.com already on one of those so-called hate site lists?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  200. FKA Max says:

    Off-topic:

    Yesterday, I left a comment reporting a bug in the Unz Review software system (funnily, coincidentally, and impressively enough it was comment #2,000,000 on the Unz Review), which is still in moderation or got caught in the spam filter:

    [MORE]

    FKA Max says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    September 9, 2017 at 7:06 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Ron Unz

    Hopefully, a quick, easy bug to fix…

    When I go into my archives and search within the authors section, e.g., http://www.unz.com/comments/author/john-derbyshire/?commenterfilter=FKA+Max

    and then try to “Switch Ascending/Descending Order” no results show up: http://www.unz.com/comments/author/john-derbyshire/?CommentOrder=ASC&commenterfilter=FKA%2BMax

    Thank you very much.

    http://www.unz.com/announcement/new-software-releaseopen-thread/#comment-2000000

    Could the moderators, please, let Mr. Unz know about this bug, because it seems to be more widespread than I first thought it to be; it does not just affect the authors section of commenters’ archives, but the entirety of the archive, it appears.

    Thank you very much.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  201. utu says:
    @Objective Observer

    Prove you are not a troll. Give links to the videos and times in them that one can verify your “objective observations.”

    • Replies: @Objective Observer
  202. Wally says:
    @Olorin

    “… it’s the leftist and BLM parties who are spray painting swastikas. ”
    As do Jews.

    And of course the the Jew dominated media then reports those fake ‘hate crime’ incidents as fact.

    Jew stages fake antisemitic crime:

    https://newtownbee.com/first-degree-arson-arrest-police-allege-package-store-owner-faked-crime/

    &

    https://newtownbee.com/police-chief-investigators-tirelessley-working-first-ever-robbery-hate-crime/

    Jews Promote Homosexual Marriage in America but Outlaw it in Israel

    http://newobserveronline.com/jews-promote-homosexual-marriage-in-america-but-outlaw-it-in-israel/

    Bomb threats to Jewish centers & schools were really a dark web moneymaking scheme ? FBI

    https://www.rt.com/usa/399027-bomb-jcc-kadar-warrant-alphabay/

    JCC bomb hoaxer charged with vast list of offenses, including threats to execute children, blow up planes
    US-Israeli teen hacker accused in Israeli court of making over 2,000 intimidating calls to Jewish institutions, malls, schools, airlines and police in US and worldwide; threatening US senator and top defense official

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-files-massive-indictment-against-jcc-bomb-hoaxer-for-thousands-of-counts-of-threats-extortion-fraud/

    Jewish suspects arrested over swastika graffiti on synagogues

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-suspects-arrested-over-swastika-graffiti-on-synagogues/

    Jew arrested for dozens of fake ‘hate crimes’

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/23/israeli-jew-19-arrested-antisemitic-hate-crime-hoax-spree/

    excerpt: “last month concerned a suspect who allegedly vandalized Chicago’s Loop Synagogue and was apparently caught on surveillance video camera. The man, already facing a March trial on unrelated charges, was charged with a hate crime.

    n December, a synagogue was vandalized with feces in Santa Monica, California. No arrest has yet been made in that case.

    Almost all of the other hate crimes in recent weeks and months have been false bomb threats. Now, Israeli police believe they have identified the person responsible for most of those threats, which sparked panic worldwide.”

    Staged ‘antisemitic’ crimes are the rule, not the exception.
    As a rule, these are never ‘crimes’ that are tried in courts of law.

    These are only what some people ‘report’ as ‘hate crimes’, not what was actually charged against someone & tried in court.
    IOW, if someone doesn’t like what someone said, they then report it as ‘racist, antisemitic, anti-whomever’ and voila! … instant ‘hate crime’ statistics.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  203. @MarkinLA

    Exactly. The political establishment makes no real distinction between Peter Brimelow or Steve Sailer’s work and an article such as this. Because its judgement is so faulty, we just have to try and save our own civilization, despite resistance from both the Swamp and the Daily Stormer clown show.

  204. I was interested to see what the Unz.com readership felt about publishing this article so read through about 1/2 the comments. I understand that some people found it inappropriate. Well, this is a website for dissident writing, perhaps more of a “platform for the alt-right” than Breitbart ever was but also a platform for some dissident thinking on the left, which Breitbart surely is not. In fact, save the comments section, Breitbart avoids alt-right themes entirely. As to the content of the article, was it any more obscene than what the mainstream media had to say about the Heather Heyer incident? The media painted Heather as a saint, even though she showed up at a protest that the governor (or was it the mayor) warned people to STAY AWAY from because of the potential for violence. The rightists got blamed for the violence which was 100% initiated AGAINST THEM. So the MSM told a bunch of obscene lies (for days on end) instead of reporting what happened, making the above accounting in fact more truthful by comparison. For the MSM, the whole thing boiled down to Fields and his Dodge Challenger, and, even there, dishonesty prevailed as there was zero credence given to the possibility that Fields was not out to murder, but to escape a mob. Neither did the MSM criticize the censorship that followed. So, I’m MORE likely to check out Unz.com now because it has balls and continues to seek out dissident writing and humor.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  205. @utu

    Fair enough. My reference to videos earlier was not to videos from the Unz.com article. Some of the links are on a different website, which I did not accurately describe. Check out the links below:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/09/05/heather-heyer-died-of-a-heart-attack/ (this link has numerous video links including the one below – go to the 11th or 12th video on the website)
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a0_1504662541 (this video shows where Heather was prior to being hit)

    Not a troll. Just trying to ascertain the facts as accurately as possible.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @utu
  206. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    The picture is from a different rally. Read the very source you posted.

    • Replies: @Wally
  207. @Alden

    To me it seems odd that you write of liberals as if they are by definition not whites. Would you care to clarify that?

    Assuming you accept that there are lots of white liberals how do you characterise their intellectual and psychological syndromes and how they got to be liberals (usually or typically and/or frequently)?

    • Replies: @Alden
  208. Alden says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Liberals are of all races. Their unifying causes change with the times. In the 1930′s it was the FDR social welfare net and government assistance to business and job creation. Not so bad. Then WW2 1950′s liberals attacked the south in the media and courts for segregation. 1960-70 black special privileges. 1970, 1990special privileges for Hispanics, Asians and gays.

    1990 to the present hate and exterminate Whites, lower wages and raise housing costs as part of their exterminate Whites. Liberal is my term for anything I dislike, such as the colors orange, maroon and mud green.

    Latest liberal cause is transgender.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  209. FKA Max says:
    @Objective Observer

    Thank you very much for providing and pointing us to this video footage. You are correct.

    Just trying to ascertain the facts as accurately as possible.

    I think this is what we all want and are here for.

    Judging from the video it appears that Heather Heyer was exactly in the location to have caused the extensive damage to James Fields’ windshield:

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  210. @Alden

    Good to find that someone one may sometimes disagree with has a sense of humour :-)

  211. Tyrion says:
    @Olorin

    I called the article ‘cartoonish’ and you are haranguing me for taking it all too seriously…

    • Replies: @Olorin
  212. Tyrion says:
    @Wally

    Jews Promote Homosexual Marriage in America but Outlaw it in Israel

    Why do you think this is?

    Also, gay marriage is not ‘outlawed’ in Israel. That is certainly a weird word to use.

    The Israeli state only recognises religious marriages. And the religious institutions of all official faith groups don’t do gay marriage. Ipso facto no gay marriage on Israeli soil. However gays can have their marriages that are conducted abroad recognised in Israel.

  213. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    I want to add one more observation, that might be crucial for James Fields’ defense, and which, in my opinion, seriously puts in doubt that he either pre-planned or intended at all to crash his car or harm anyone, especially with/in that particular car.

    It seems to me that the Dodge Challenger was James Fields’ pride and joy (see picture below), plus, he, most likely, bought it with money that he inherited from his late father, who was killed in a car accident, which probably makes/made the car be of an even higher sentimental value to him than it already ordinarily would have been.

    I am pretty sure, that if James Fields had intended to kill as many people as possible and had terroristic intent, that he would have likely rented a car, and it would have probably been some type of big van to inflict as much damage as possible, like the Islamic terrorists in Europe usually use and do, not a fancy, pimped-out American sports car that reminded him of and he associated with his late father.

    According to Cincinnati.com, the Challenger was purchased by its latest owner in June 2015 in Florence, Kentucky, from Kerry Toyota. One month later the title was updated in Maumee. The vehicle was not stolen.

    Fields does not appear to have a previous criminal history. He last lived in Maumee, Ohio, about 15 miles southwest of Toledo. He was working as a security officer for Securitas Security Services USA and was on previously requested vacation time when the crash occurred. Securitas said in a brief statement that he has since been fired.

    Fields worked for Securitas from May 5, 2016 to July 5, 2016 and then from November 23, 2016 to Monday, when he was fired. He had a security officer license from Ohio and “performed his duties satisfactorily.”
    [...]
    Fields’ father was killed by a drunk driver just a few months after he was born, an uncle told The Washington Post. His father left Fields money that his uncle had kept in a trust until Fields was 18.

    When he turned 18, he demanded his money, and that was the last I had any contact with him.

    http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/james-alex-fields-jr-charlottesville-suspect-arrested-driver-crashed-rally-republican-age-bio-video/

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  214. Wally says:
    @Anon

    Read the caption of the photo:
    “An image of Joey Salads at the Charlottesville rally ….”

    Ouch!!

    One they realized it was not him they tried to spin it.

    Doesn’t even look like him anyway, looks more like …… you. LOL

  215. Wally says:
    @Tyrion

    So, IOW, gay marriage is banned in Israel.

    Spin, spin, spin.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
    , @Anon
  216. @Tyrion

    I think it’s safe to say that Jewish liberals in America would be in great opposition if any American jurisdiction (federal, state, local) adopted a similar marriage policy as the Israeli government’s. I suppose you could say these liberals would oppose Israel’s policy if they lived there, and maybe you’re right, but I doubt it (since most American Jews would probably fit in the political right in Israel), and at any rate it’s hardly necessary at this stage to point out the enormous double standards American Jews have when it comes to Israel.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
    , @Anon
  217. Tyrion says:
    @Frank Walus

    The article is very poorly written and makes no substantive points. Surely you can ascertain that yourself?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  218. Tyrion says:
    @Wally

    No, gay marriage is not banned or outlawed. It is just not a state-backed institution. Hairdressers aren’t banned in America, yet you have no state hairdressers. Don’t be silly.

    Anyway, ignoring your semantic surrender to the progressive lobby, why do you think Jews in Israel have not instituted state-administered gay marriage in Israel yet Jews in America tend to be supportive of it in America?

    I am very interested in what reasoning you might give.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  219. FKA Max says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thank you very much, Mr. Unz!

    I think I just experienced my own personal Unz Review “C2MIL” computer glitch moment, ha, ha, ha ;-)

    The Year 2000 problem, also known as the Y2K problem, the Millennium bug, the Y2K bug, or Y2K, is a class of computer bugs related to the formatting and storage of calendar data for dates beginning in the year 2000.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem

  220. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion

    The article says that Heyer died of a heart attack. I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere in the MSM. If it’s not true let’s hear them deny it.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
    , @woodNfish
  221. Tyrion says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    and at any rate it’s hardly necessary at this stage to point out the enormous double standards American Jews have when it comes to Israel.

    In Bangladesh homosexuality is punished by death.

    American Jews don’t spend any time criticising Bangladesh over this, but I bet I can find plenty of American Jews wringing their hands over Israel’s very moderate attitude to the matter.

    I also note that Tel Aviv is the only city I’ve ever been to where most men seem to be somewhat bisexual. The place is extremely tolerant of homosexual behaviour and it is all very open.

    I put it down to an almost Ancient Greek like culture born of military necessity and high-learning. Camille Paglia’s theory on contemporary male homosexuality being a redoubt of Apollonian values was my inspiration. Though I imagine it is as much a sexual self-sorting effect by city. Israel is small so cities are almost like neighbourhoods in New York.

    My point in bringing this up, is that clearly the OP for this was alleging something. I just don’t know what exactly and I imagine it would betray a great many of the OP’s psycho-sexual worries were they to explain it. Yours to. Which would be funny.

    That you both ignored my question confirms this.

  222. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    You don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  223. @Tyrion

    Uh, sorry, what question?

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  224. Tyrion says:
    @Anonymous

    The article says that Heyer died of a heart attack. I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere in the MSM. If it’s not true let’s hear them deny it.

    No-one is denying it. Her mother said it on NBC. In other words, NBC broadcast it. The mainstream media is not trying to keep it a secret.

    Why would they? It has no direct bearing on whether James Fields was responsible for Ms Heyer’s death or not. It is no more news than saying that some of the police shot at Dallas by the BLM guy died of a heart attack. Getting shot can cause heart failure. Being hit by a car can cause heart failure. Something has to fail for you to die! Have we had an influx of Daily Stormer idiots who can’t do basic comprehension?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  225. @Frank Walus

    I don’t object to the article per se, I do think that the Jewish caricature is inappropriate, as well as the silly term “Judeo-Bolshevik.”

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  226. @Anon

    You mean about Jewish double standards, or something else?

    • Replies: @Anon
  227. @Tyrion

    No, but apparently there’s an influx of concern trolls and cucks (and not a few hasbara).

  228. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Why is Judeo-Bolshevik silly? You mean in the current context?

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  229. @Tyrion

    The topic is a fatal car crash in Charlottesville, Virginia and you’re off talking about anti-sodomy laws in Bangladesh? This is what I hate about the web.

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @Tyrion
  230. Tyrion says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Why do you think Jews in Israel have not instituted state-administered gay marriage in Israel yet Jews in America tend to be supportive of it in America?

  231. Tyrion says:
    @Cagey Beast

    It wasn’t me who took it on this diversion. I should learn to ignore silliness but the OP’s telegraphing of their sexual psychoses was too funny to not dig at. I do apologise for encouraging them though.

  232. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Israeli rabbis refusing to marry homosexuals would be analogous to (say) the Catholic church in Italy refusing to marry homosexuals.

  233. @Tyrion

    Ah ok, sorry, found it a bit too obvious to require commenting on. Standard, culture-of-critique stuff, the basic difference between Jews in a host society vs. their own nation.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  234. utu says:
    @Objective Observer

    Thanks for the videos. W/o proper software that would allow me to slow down the videos and do frame by frame to get timing and the estimate of the 3D location I can’t make much sense form them. It seems however there were more people who were in harms way more than her including the person who took this video:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a0_1504662541

  235. nsa says:
    @Tyrion

    There is another possible explanation for all the homo stuff in Tel Aviv, New York, Los Angeles, etc. Maybe jooies just have an extra faggot gene……..

  236. Tyrion says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Beefcake The Mighty, (-;

    You are going to have to do better than buzzwords. Address my question properly. It referred to gay marriage specifically.

    I get that you have a confused sexuality and to cope with the shame you blame Jews, but don’t you think the fact that you can’t admit this out loud shows the insanity of your notion?

    You know, a lot of people have a lot of weird sexual hang-ups. Yours looks quite vanilla when seen from some perspectives, like that of today’s society! Sex is the most the daemonic things humans do. It isn’t really worth obsessing over occasional compulsive thoughts. Indeed that will just leave you all strung out.

    • Troll: Randal
  237. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I’ve pointed out that Jews were in the forefront of political radicalism and cultural subversion going back to the 19th Century. An Austrian Army veteran from WWI rose to prominence pointing out that fact. Nowaday, there are plenty of gentile turncoats involved, such as the WASPs Bill and Hill Clinton.

    I don’t like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I’m conscious of turning off the “normies.” I want them on our side.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  238. @Tyrion

    Marriage is under the control of the Orthodox rabbinate in Israel. It’s also illegal for people to marry someone of a different faith. One way around this is to get married overseas. A popular marriage destination is Cyprus.

    I’m sure that secular Jews in Israel don’t have a problem with gay marriage. It’s just the power of the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox blocks it.

  239. @Sean

    I bet you are more of a thug and a lot closer to 400lbs that she was.

    Actually, A-Hole, no I’m not. But I am 6’1′, around 190 these days. Look me up in Boston Facebook. My profile pic, leaning up against a NASCAR stocker in an unnamed garage down in Charlotte last year, is the real deal. But you can defend the obese land whale contributing to the chaos who died a deserved death in Charlottesville. Heyer, that wouldn’t make her a Jew-ess, would it? I hear around these parts that they are a chaotic and murderous and thuggish lot themselves, capable of much destruction. Heyers however, mostly destroyed cheesecake from the look of it.

    If I could, I’d piss on her grave. She’s contributory. That’s her legacy. It’s UVA’s legacy, too. A lot of Pretty Little Lies come out of Charlottesville these days. A consequence of a college pushing the Diversity Agenda and the self-immolating Whites who make it all possible..

    • Replies: @Sean
  240. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Most American Jews are far to the left of Israeli Jews, and as the oldest American Jews die, the divide gets larger. Remember that most American Jews, eg, support a two state solution, which was roundly rejected by Israel in electing Netanyahu three times how. So your assumption about where American Jews stand on Israel is dead wrong.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  241. @Dr. X

    Anglin is not “insightful” at all. It’s just garbage writing to push his narrative. It’s even worse when he talks about science.

    And I agree with the other user. Andre Anglin definitely wrote this. His writing style is noticed from a mile away.

  242. fnn says:

    No, the NS regime’s race laws seemed stupid and unfair even to those who were unapologetically anti-Jewish but not on pseudo-scientific grounds. Check out Hilaire Belloc on this

    Belloc was a Catholic apologist. Pre-Vatican II, the Catholic solution to the JQ was conversion. Catholicism is of course inherently universalistic and non-racialist. The objections to the Nuremberg Laws were on theological and humanitarian grounds and had nothing to do with “science.” Read the relevant Papal encyclical, MIT BRENNENDER SORGE:

    http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html

    • Replies: @Dissident
  243. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Most American Jews are far to the left of Israeli Jews

    Not really. Both are being ethnocentric within specific contexts.

    In Israel where Jews are the majority, it is in their interest to be nationalist.

    In the US where Jews are the minority(elites), it is in their interest to undermine majority gentile power with ‘progressivism’.

    Surely, even the most rightist white person would prefer liberalism in a society that is 95% blacks. Would he want blacks to be filled with black national pride.. potentially against whitey?

  244. Was Heyer ((()))? I am completely confused. Thought she was a Blue Ridge Mountain Wilhelmina.

  245. @Tyrion

    Hairdressers aren’t banned in America, yet you have no state hairdressers. Don’t be silly.

    I would guess that all 50 states require hairdressers and barbers to be licensed in order to sell their services. (I don’t care enough to research all of the 50 state’s laws on the matter.) So it could very will be argued that we do have state endorsed hairdressers.

  246. woodNfish says:

    Personally, when I read that a car had driven into a group of antifa and some human piece of shit had been killed I was okay with there being one less violent fascist in the world. Nothing has changed my mind since that time either.

  247. woodNfish says:
    @Anon

    Hey dumbass what part of “nationalism” has anything to do with race you F’ing moron.

    • Replies: @Anon
  248. Alden says:
    @FKA Max

    FKA Max

    Sure you’re on the right site??? What do the above clip and pastes from religious history sites have to do with this article or anything going on in this century? There are plenty of anti Catholic sites where the lunatics can hoot and holler about the Whore of Babylon and the Scarlet Woman Rome

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  249. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    She was 32, not 25, still a young adult. Are to assume that every woman you have been involved with is a lovely Goddess? What do you look like?

  250. @Anon

    So, not about Jewish double standards?

  251. @Anon

    Exactly. Do American Jews support an Israeli state that does not self-identify as Jewish? Obviously not. (Ditto for any claims of broad support for a two state solution that leaves Israel on equal terms with the Palestinians.)

  252. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Alden

    Just some context for new readers and commenters. Alden and I have somewhat of a history together here in the Unz Review comment threads/sections:

    [MORE]

    Indeed, I am just a humble copier and paster. And you are most definitively the World’s greatest defender of free speech, bar none. That. Is. A. Fact.

    You have been surprisingly congenial lately, Alden. You are not going soft on us and me, are you?

    No hellfire and brimstone and no demands for a speech/commenting ban for me anymore?

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1842889

    The reason I copy and paste so much and extensively is two-fold: firstly, I am not a very good and eloquent writer myself and I want to give proper credit to much better writers and researchers than myself; secondly, I never know if the articles, blogs and websites, I link to, will still be available and in existence online a week from now or not, with all the censorship that is going online and in general. By copying and pasting the most essential core ideas and information of these other people’s research and writings, and sharing them here at the Unz Review they will at least be partly archived/available for future reference, in case their writings, research and their websites and blogs get censored or deleted. I try to copy and paste as efficiently and minimally as I can, but sometimes more lengthy copy-&-pastes are required to maintain the context, integrity etc. of the information/idea.

    Also again, on one of my favorite pet peeves, the Catholic Church
    [...]
    Would America have the Free Speech battles and see the rise of White Nationalism in California and all over the country if the Catholic Church had not gotten its way on immigration, etc.? I don’t think so.
    [...]
    The chaos and violence we are now witnessing in California and in Berkeley is most definitely the result of [a] long-standing Catholic Church conspiracy against the traditional and historic American culture (Protestant) and peoples (North-West Europeans), in my opinion. Yes with some help from the Jewish community, but the Catholic Church was/is the main driver behind this pro-mass-immigration and pro-open borders policy and propaganda, in my opinion.

    This is why I keep banging on about this, because if Americans do not understand the root cause of these problems they are facing, they will not be able to fix this mess, and we will see more and more “Battles of Berkeley.”

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-battles-of-berkeley-someone-is-going-to-get-killed-where-is-trump/#comment-1843877

    I believe, speaking about the crucial role the Catholic Church plays and has played when it comes to U.S. immigration policy, etc. and how this ties into the attacks on Americans’ First Amendment rights, etc. we are witnessing now, is more relevant and important than it has ever been after Steve Bannon “mainstreamed” this issue in his recent “60 Minutes” interview:

    [...] he is speaking the truth in this CBS “60 Minutes” interview:

    Steve Bannon on Trump’s DACA decision, Catholic church

    http://www.unz.com/article/steve-bannon-and-trumps-populist-victory/#comment-1997511

    Catholic Church Reacts To Bannon’s Comments On Immigration

    CBS New York
    Published on Sep 7, 2017
    Steve Bannon caused a stir with comments about the Catholic Church. In a “60 Minutes” interview, the former chief strategist to President Donald Trump said the church has an “economic interest” in illegal immigration. CBS2′s Tony Aiello with more.

    The Cathedral Stands Up

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-1999343

  253. MEH 0910 says:
    @SteveRogers42

    Here ya go:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/09/07/charlottesville-reconstructing-heather-heyer-movements/

    Thank you for the link to the informative Hunter Wallace piece. If Unz was going to feature a piece from Occidental Dissent, why wasn’t it that Wallace piece instead of this mess from Marcus Cicero?

    • Replies: @Randal
  254. Olorin says:
    @Tyrion

    I was pointing out that Le Happy Merchant–something a surprising (IME) number of people haven’t encountered on the Internet–is a rather old meme.

    You chose to take it personally. Also to ignore my main point:

    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  255. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    “…I don’t like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I’m conscious of turning off the “normies….”

    The “normies” are only turned off by losers...meaning… that they will fall in line with whomever is able to assume/assert power.

    Engaging them in abstract reasoning is a waste of time.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  256. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    It was Hitler’s German chauvinism that discredited racial science. It’s obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  257. Tyrion says:
    @Olorin

    I was pointing out that Le Happy Merchant–something a surprising (IME) number of people haven’t encountered on the Internet–is a rather old meme.

    You chose to take it personally. Also to ignore my main point:

    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off

    Could I have been clearer in saying that I did not take it personally? Well without writing exactly those words?

    Here is what I wrote – which amounts to the same thing.

    Also, why all the cartoonish anti-Semitism? It doesn’t bother me directly as I’m Jewish and feel no guilt from not being bothered by it and viewing it merely as a bit sad but how on earth does it help?

    Furthermore, I am of the mind that it should be impossible to take anti-Semitism of any kind personally. Or racism or sexism or any other of these group-based insults. I mean what could be less personal than a group and therefore non-individual insult?

    Now the fat stuff about Heather Heyer was a personal insult about her, and I didn’t love the insulting mocking tone to the innocent dead.

    As for your supposed main point:

    It is more anti-Semitic to take this sort of thing seriously than to merely shrug it off.

    Is is more anti whatever you are that I am taking your obvious stupidity seriously rather than merely shrugging it off? See above for evidence.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  258. Tyrion says:
    @Stonehands

    “…I don’t like recycling Nazi language, as well, because I’m conscious of turning off the “normies….”

    The “normies” are only turned off by losers…meaning… that they will fall in line with whomever is able to assume/assert power.

    Engaging them in abstract reasoning is a waste of time.

    So your plan is to recycle the language of the most despised losers of the last century?

    Brilliant. You are a Machiavellian mastermind…

  259. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    I did some more digging because I was confused about a discrepancy in the photo and video evidence just before James Fields drove into the crowd of protestors.

    This photo clearly shows the Dodge’s brake lights flashing:

    What confused me was that the brake lights did not seem to flash in the following video of James Fields driving down 4th Street in Charlottesville towards the crowd of protesters:

    Video shows car crashing into Charlottesville protest

    Then I found the following image, whose caption reads: “If the Brake lights are Lit, You must Acquit! This is what the video doesn’t Show, The Cameraman was panned down at the Moment!

    Then I actually saw that in the very first moment/second of the above video the flashing brake lights can be seen, but after that, as stated above, the cameraman panned down and missed the rest of brake light action:

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  260. Randal says:
    @MEH 0910

    If Unz was going to feature a piece from Occidental Dissent, why wasn’t it that Wallace piece instead of this mess from Marcus Cicero?

    If we are going to speculate on his motivation, my view is as set out above – it was a deliberate middle finger to the censors amongst Ron’s peers. After all, it was precisely this “insulting the saintly victim Heyer” stuff that was supposedly the trigger for the banishing of TDS (?) to the outer darkness.

    And good for him, imo. As a fringe benefit, sometimes nasty “shock jock” stuff can be a useful trigger for productive discussion of issues that are otherwise left in the closet, as in this case. If nothing else, it helps to break up the media canonisation of the victim, as with the portrayal of dead black thugs by whitewashing (sic) their appearance and past history.

  261. fnn says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s obvious just from looking at them that Germans and Slavs are closely related, yet the Nazis used ostensibly scientific arguments to deny this and justify their conquest and enslavement of their eastern neighbors.

    Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs. Likely The primary motivation for the intense economic exploitation of the Eastern Slavs was the desperate situation they found themselves in facing the North American economic Colossus.


    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/13/racial-studies-of-jews-in-national-socialist-germany/

    The recently published book Race and the Third Reich by the Britisher Christo­pher M. Hutton is an excellent companion to Steinweis’ work. Hutton broadly agrees with Steinweis on the harmful content of Nazi racial studies, but he differs from Steinweis’ in several ways. First, Hutton makes a sharper dichotomy between National Socialist ideology and the scientific, non political, research done in racial studies in German and other European universities of the time. Hutton distinguishes between early ideologically-driven (1930–35) racial tracts when the NSDAP was seeking power and not yet firmly entrenched, and the later (1936-44) racial studies in Germany after the Party had secured its power. Aside from the Germans’ politically mandated application of their theories to the Jews, the techniques used in their racial studies were quite similar to those employed outside Germany.

    Hutton notes that official publications on race in the later years of Nazi rule actually emphasized that the term “Aryan” belonged to linguistics and was not a racial category at all. Influenced by Mendelian genetics, German racial anthropologists recognized that there was no necessary link between ideal physical appearance and ideal character. Eventually, Hutton states, when World War II threatened and Germany needed allies, terms such as “Nordi cism,” “Germanism,” and “Aryanism” that suggested exclusivity and elitism were discarded as a political liability. Indeed, near the end of the war many SS units were made up of Slavs, French, Belgians, Scandinavians, and even Arabs.

  262. Avery says:
    @fnn

    {Nazi racial scientists saw no racial differences between Germanics and Slavs.}

    Are you serious?

    [On the infinite a steppes of Russian territory lay Eastern Europe. A sharp contrast is noticed when comparing central Europe with this enormous space. On both sides of the border is the same earth but not the same man.
    It is the man who makes his mark on the landscape, while on the German side is planned orderly fields yielding abundant harvests; the other side is only impenetrable forests, vast and unkempt, miles of uninhabited steppes where even the rivers wind endlessly through the nothingness.
    This poorly kept land which hides fertile soil could be a paradise for man, a potential "California of Europe" alive with fields and fruit, but instead it lies neglected and wasted, lost to the abyss of cultural nihilism.
    This land cries out against the subhuman (Russian/Slav) and his wasteful ways!] (Der Untermensch: Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler 1935)

    • Replies: @fnn
  263. Sean says:
    @Jim Christian

    Nothing she was, did or failed to do was/ is remotely contributory compared to your counter productive writing.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  264. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @fnn

    “near the end of the war”. Well yes, it took until 1944 for the Germans to change policy on this issue, by which time it was too little too late.

    I think it’s fair to distinguish between two different kinds of Nazism, the early German chauvinist type and the later pan-European type (exemplified by the multinational Waffen SS.) Modern neo-Nazism traces its lineage to the latter phase of the movement.

  265. @Tyrion

    Where in the comments of mine that you block- posted did I advocate recycling “language”?

    The topic of this thread is the physical mincing of fat Heather the society destroyer…

    Aww…but l am so sorry if l upset you-snowflake- conjuring up “feelings” of those ebil Nazis who were soooo, so cruel to homo and commie Jews of your ilk.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  266. Tyrion says:
    @Stonehands

    Faking a ZFG attitude is effective when it is combined with a base minimum competency in whatever it is you are doing. In a bar, with girls, you need to dress in reasonable clothes or be reasonable looking, for example.

    The problem is that whay you are doing is faking a ZFG attitude while howling at the moon, covered in your own sick and smelling so bad that chicks retch as you approach them.

    Therefore you come across as a lunatic, or, at best, an object of pity.

    I am a nice guy so I feel towards you as the latter. I pity you and am actually sort of on your team. Sadly for me.

    So please, please take my advice. Stop stinking. Clean the sick off you and be coherent.

    Or in prose terms, try to not to write like a satire of a mentally deranged moron. It does not help. Spewing shit will only attract flies.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
    , @Jim Christian
  267. @Sean

    Spoken like the Heyer you are.

    • Replies: @Sean
  268. Olorin says:
    @Tyrion

    Well, you just started commenting at Unz, so which leftist/Democrat PR firm do YOU work or more likely intern or contract for?

    PorterNovelli?

    Buying Time?

    AKPD?

    MWW Group?

    SKD Knickerbocker? That’s my guess since I know you guys are sockpuppeting Terry McAuliffe and paving the way for his 2020 POTUS run.

    • Replies: @Tyrion
  269. fnn says:
    @Avery

    Himmler was no academic.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Authenticjazzman
  270. Logan says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    “As my financial adviser remarked, nations don’t go bankrupt, they go to war.”

    The theory behind that was to loot the enemy to revive the State. Worked for the Romans, the French revolutionaries, Napoleon and (in the early days of the war) the Nazis.

    Doesn’t work anymore. Wealth does not really consist mostly anymore of physical stuff like gold and silver you can steal.

    War does of course still make a great distraction.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  271. Ace says:
    @2Mintzin1

    Oh, no! Not condemnation. Say it isn’t so.

  272. Ace says:
    @geokat62

    Ron Unz is a conscious agent of The Dark Force. That is why he published this here. What other explanation makes any sense?

  273. @Anonymous

    You are exactly right. German, Slavs, Celts, Italians, etc., are a part of the great Indo-European f/k/a Aryan family tree. This includes the “Aryan” conquerors of India and Persia.

  274. @Tyrion

    “So your plan is to recycle the language of the most despised losers of the last century?”

    Great point, Tyrion! Another historical fact that the Neo-Nazis, aka Alt-Retards, choose to ignore.

  275. @fnn

    Eventually, the Nazis dropped the master race propaganda garbage in favor of a holy war against godless Communism. Men from all over Europe, even Polish Galicians, served in the SS.

  276. @Logan

    She’s a good friend and I’ll raise the issue.

    The “Merchants of Death” make money off of war – manufacturing guns, planes, uniforms, etc., and providing jobs to both service personnel and people in the defense industry.

    War makes for good movies and tv shows. As a late boomer, I grew up on WWII programs.

  277. Avery says:
    @fnn

    {Himmler was no academic.}

    Academic shmacademic.
    Himmler was Reichsführer.
    You can be an ‘academic‘ all you want: when a genocidal Nazi murders a ‘subhuman’ , it makes no difference. The victim of Nazis is still dead.

    If the effing so-called ‘academics’ had any influence on Hitler and his genocidal gang, then millions of Slavs would not have been murdered by the so-called Master Race.

    Academic Sh____heads had no say who Nazis murdered.
    Useless, irrelevant pieces of Sh___.

    • Replies: @fnn
  278. fnn says:
    @Avery

    “Himmler was Reichsführer.”

    Himmler was a chicken farmer turned bureaucrat who got lucky for a while. If David Irving lives long enough to finish his biography of Himmler maybe we’ll find he had some yet undiscovered genius. Until then, I’ll think of him as a Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi who found himself in a very unusual and powerful position. Himmler was a such a distasteful, uninteresting yet bizarre figure I couldn’t bear to seek out any standard academic work on him. I read the Padfield biography many years ago and much of it seemed fictional or speculative. A Chinese historian fluent in German would be the best fit for the Himmler story.

    • Replies: @Avery
  279. Avery says:
    @fnn

    Enough of academic, theoretical BS: Did Nazis in practice murder – murder – Slavs as Untermenschen.

    Yes or No?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @fnn
  280. Avery says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    You again, Dr.Bovine, M.D.

    And……Yes: your Nazi forebears did murder about 15 million Slavic citizens of USSR.
    Also about 3 million ethnic Polish Christians (….aside from Polish Jews).
    I probably missed some other Slavic peoples that Nazis subjected to Genocide, but I am sure somebody will fill in what I missed.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  281. Tyrion says:
    @Olorin

    If I was to work for a PR company it would be Teneo and if I were to shill for a Democrat politician it would be Kamala Harris. She seems genuinely lovely.

  282. @Avery

    You asked a question (not to me, admittedly), I answered it. Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of the word “murder”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Avery
  283. @fnn

    ” Himmler was no academic”

    You mean like the Professors at the university of Heidelberg who participated in the book burnings and were the most fervent supporters of the Nazi party. ( and the communist party in Russia)

    Academics have always been a troublesome lot of mostly idiots and nut-cases.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    • Replies: @fnn
  284. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Killing without justification.

    How’d I do?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  285. Where is the proff? Sounds like you’re just raging against people you don’t like. If you say you have proof, then fail to provide it, my only option is to believe you are lying. Which it certainly sounds like you are. Also, saying deandre harris is criminal by default because he’s black is insane and you should really get out im the world and meet people. Im now never reading anything your stupid ass writes again. goodbye.

  286. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    We had a productive and entertaining comment discussion over in the other comment thread, which might be of interest to the readers and commenters of this article and comment thread.

    It started off here:

    What do you make of this picture just moments before the ramming of a “peaceful” protestor swinging at Fields’ Dodge?

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431

    and then escalated fast with me being called “human scum” by one of the astute observers in that comment thread:

    you were trying to mislead with that bullshit screen cap. for that I deem you human scum.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003901

    oh look, the human scum couldn’t spin it any longer.

    goodbye scum.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004307

    These are excerpts from my reply to the last comment:

    The city block the accident/attack happened on is about +/- 220 feet long. I used Google Maps to roughly calculate the distance.
    [...]
    Per the Fox News Youtube video it took James Fields’ Dodge about 6 seconds to travel that distance.

    If you use the following miles-per-hour to feet-per-second converter, 220 / 6 = 36.7 feet-per-second, which translates to about a speed of 25 miles-per-hour:

    http://www.kylesconverter.com/speed-or-velocity/miles-per-hour-to-feet-per-second

    This is way below the speed of 40 mph that was suggested and claimed, by one of the eye witnesses of the accident/attack, Fields’ car was supposed to have traveled at ( see video “charlottesville car attack debunked from victims with footage” for that eye witness account http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431 )

    Not exactly a speed I personally would travel at to commit “attempted vehicular mass murder”, but that is just me, what do I know, I am just “human scum” according to the most astutest of observers.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    I hope you enjoy it and can learn and take away some useful information from it.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @Logan
  287. Avery says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    {….. (not to me, admittedly), I answered it}

    Right. You decided to stick your bovine snout into a ‘conversation’ between two other posters.
    No problem: it’s an open forum.
    Anybody and everybody can join in the fun&games.
    But if you stick your bovine snout in, then your beef can get seared.
    Yes?

    { Apparently you don’t understand the meaning of the word “murder”.}

    Apparently I do.
    Because I am a humanoid and you are a beef.
    A ruminant.
    An ungulate.
    A beef.

    I also know the difference between killing, murder, war crimes, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and……Genocide.

    PS: poster [Cyrano] said you are a (yawn) ‘Ape’ in another comment.
    He was either mistaken or he was being overly generous.
    Apes have _some_ intelligence.
    They are known to have used primitive tools, such as sticks, to obtain food.
    Beef, on the other, only know how to chew hay.
    Moo.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  288. Sean says:
    @Jim Christian

    Why can’t you see that this kind of mad dog trolling, enjoyable though it may be, can be counterproductive? American Renaissance says or said that their moderators reserved the right to hold opponents to lower standards. Freedom of expression is giving you enough rope to besmirch your people.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  289. @Avery

    Well, maybe you two can share meds, you’re both clearly in need. It’s starting to become clear why Turks don’t care much for Armenians.

    • Replies: @Avery
  290. @Tyrion

    My Polish genetics make me yearn for a chance to wipe the enemy from the face of the earth.

    The second coming of Christ can’t come soon enough, hasbara troll.

  291. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    The following is important information to take into account as well in this investigation.

    The fact that Fields was not driving at a very high rate of speed and that the crowd of protestors was mostly young people very likely significantly reduced the number of deaths and serious injuries in this accident/crash:

    The death rate more than doubles for pedestrians when speed increases from 25 to 35 m.p.h., said Kissinger. “That’s a big number. That’s something we hope all drivers will think about.”

    Pedestrian deaths from vehicle crashes “are still unacceptably high” even though they have gone down in recent years, he said. But with the country’s strong focus on exercise and environmental issues that encourage people to walk and bike more, and a growing population that is aging, pedestrian injury and death will likely increase, he said. Older people, who may walk more when they are no longer able to drive, are particularly vulnerable.

    The study estimated that the risk of death for a 70-year-old pedestrian struck at any given speed is roughly equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck by the same vehicle traveling 10 m.p.h. faster. For example, the risk of death for 70-year-old struck at 25 m.p.h. is approximately equal to the risk of death for a 30-year-old struck at 35 m.p.h..

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/tanyamohn/2011/09/30/low-driving-speed-can-cause-serious-pedestrian-injury-and-death-report-finds/#6761a09857ff

    If my calculations are correct, Fields was actually driving at the Charlottesville city speed limit for most or all of the time he was traveling down 4th Street:

    City not ready to raise speed limits despite recommendations

    Charlottesville has no plans to increase the speed limits on several busy roads, despite recommendations from the city’s new traffic engineer that the posted limits on some streets are too low.

    Traffic engineer Rashad M. Hanbali counted traffic volumes at several locations across the city and concluded that limits on Brandywine Drive, Elliott Avenue, Greenbrier Drive and Locust Avenue should be higher than the posted 25 mph limit.

    http://www.cvilletomorrow.org/news/article/25027-no-charlottesville-speed-limit-increases/

    Here another bird’s eye view angle of 4th Street:

    • Replies: @Logan
    , @FKA Max
    , @Jim Christian
  292. @Sean

    What’s mad dog about it? Truth-telling hurt you? Where is anything I said not true? Besides, the besmirching we White guys get up to and including their wish that we all die, do you chastise them? Oprah? Black celebrities? Feminists? Did you mention your reservations to THEM? I suspect not, given you’re one of them. Wish for all the White guys gone. WHO is to service and support the world after that, I know not, nor do you. It’s the little things. Lights, electricity, water, food. No Blacks on the trucks restoring power I notice. No women, either.

    As we say in Boston, Screw.

    • Replies: @Logan
    , @Sean
  293. Logan says:
    @FKA Max

    War is by definition not good for the production of wealth. Borrow large sums of money, use it to build stuff that you ship to the other side of the world and then destroy.

    Not a recipe for long-term financial advancement.

  294. Logan says:
    @FKA Max

    Here’s the problem. He apparently stopped at the stoplight for the pedestrian mall, crossed it and drove down 4th into the crowd. There are photos of his brake lights on partway down the block. Had he braked hard he probably would have stopped before entering the crowd. But he at minimum took his foot off the brake and quite possibly accelerated.

    His Challenger probably had a good bit of power, so acceleration would get him up to a high speed quickly if he punched it.

    IOW, average speed down the block tells us nothing about speed at impact.

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It’s also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn’t exactly a life-threatening situation.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @Sean
  295. Logan says:
    @Jim Christian

    Drove past a convoy of power company trucks headed into FL yesterday. Nine of them. Two female drivers, three blacks. FWIW

  296. Sean says:
    @Jim Christian

    It’s mad dog because it can’t be reasoned with. Truth may be a complete defence on a higher plain, but we are down here with the filth , worms and MSM.

    Many white women struggle with their weight and are sensitive to people making remarks about any females weight, either positive or negative.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  297. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    This study examined drivers and not pedestrians, but its findings can probably be generally applied to all types of physical trauma and accidents, etc.:

    Motorists with morbid obesity were found to be at a 52% greater risk of mortality compared to motorists with no morbid obesity when involved in a MVC. This risk increased to 84% in the motorists with morbid obesity but without protective equipment. The association between morbid
    obesity and mortality differed by severity of injury, driver age, and protective device. However,
    regardless of safety device use, motorists with morbid obesity remained at greater risk of death.
    Our findings support previous studies that reported obesity to be a risk factor for trauma
    mortality. Choban et al., first examined the association between obesity and trauma outcomes,
    and found patients with obesity experienced greater mortality compared with patients with no
    obesity [9].
    These initial findings have been corroborated by Neville et al., who reported the odds of death in
    blunt trauma was 5.7 (95%CI,1.9—1.96) times higher in patients with obesity compared to patients
    with no obesity [10]. Furthermore, Brown et al., examined the effects of obesity on trauma outcomes in severely injured patients and reported patients with obesity experienced longer hospitalisation, more complications, and increased risk of mortality (OR 1.6; 95%CI, 1.0—2.3)[11].
    Other than mortality, studies have also reported that trauma patients with morbid obesity are at greater risk of acute respiratory failure, acute renal failure, multiple organ failure, pneumonia,
    thrombosis and urinary tract infections [12].

    Obesity and trauma mortality:
    Sizing up the risks in motor vehicle crashes
    Joseph et al. (2016) http://www.obesityresearchclinicalpractice.com/article/S1871-403X(16)00022-3/pdf

    Even though Heather Heyer had the advantage of younger age (she was 32 years old I believe) and the accident (or intentional attack?) was a “low-to-moderate speed” impact crash, her being severely overweight probably put her at a much higher risk of mortality in this situation than other participants in the protest:

    “Low-speed” impact refers to 1-2 miles per hour and goes up to 20-25 mph. “Moderate speeds” are 25-40 mph and “high speeds” are 40 mph and over.

    http://www.dynamicchiropractic.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=40251

  298. FKA Max says:
    @Logan

    Thank you for your feedback and participation in this investigation and discussion, Logan.

    The young person swiping at his car is using a flag or sign of some type, not exactly a club. It’s also unclear whether he/she actually makes contact. In any case, having somebody whack your car with a flag isn’t exactly a life-threatening situation.

    He definitely made impact. I commented on this with the following comment, which, incidentally, for whatever reason??, was also the comment which triggered one of the other commenters in the other comment thread so badly that he deemed me “human scum”:

    You can clearly hear the guy hit Fields’ car at about 16.5 sec into the Fox News Youtube video, and I am sure Fields might have perceived and heard that noise of the wooden flag pole hitting his car even more intensely inside the car, which quite possibly and naturally could have startled, distracted, and/or scared/angered him

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003714

    Experts will analyze the footage frame by frame, and the amount of impact damage will also provide evidence about speed.

    I briefly touched up on this here, quoting other Unz Review commenters:

    I have to wonder why the Dodge Challenger’s airbags didn’t deploy, even after it rear ended the stationary car in front of it?
    [...]
    “Frontal air bags are generally designed to deploy in “moderate to severe” frontal or near-frontal crashes, which are defined as crashes that are equivalent to hitting a solid, fixed barrier at 8 to 14 mph or higher. (This would be equivalent to striking a parked car of similar size at about 16 to 28 mph or higher.”

    While James Alex Fields rear ended a car, he evidently wasn’t going that fast.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-1999737

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2004451

    Another indication that the impact was not at a very high speed (40+ mph), in my opinion, is that Fields was actually able to drive away from the scene of the accident/crime.

    Here is video of a Dodge Challenger fixed barrier crash test at 40 mph, which leaves the car pretty much undriveable afterwards, it looks like it to me.

    2016 Dodge Challenger moderate overlap IIHS crash test

    2016 Dodge Challenger 40 mph moderate overlap IIHS crash test Overall evaluation: Good

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    , @FKA Max
  299. Sean says:

    Steve Sailer wrote about a case in his area in which a student who drove at some biker types in a car park (who unbeknownst to him were plain clothes federal agents) far more slowly that the car in this incident–was shot dead.

  300. Sean says:
    @Logan

    The kid Steve wrote about a while back was actually shot dead through the back of the vehicle as he was very slowly driving away.

  301. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    Here is a collision at 40 km/h which is 25 mph:

    Rear impact crash test

    Rear impact crash test of a Toyota Camry impacting the rear of a stationary Hyundai Accent at 40km/h. The impact was offset such that the force of the impact would travel through the passenger side of the vehicle and not the driver. The change in velocity (delta v) of the Toyota in the impact was calculated to be approximately 22km/h. Testing conducted by Delta-V Experts for AILA at the 2012 National AILA Conference.

    The front end damage to the Toyota Camry looks similar to that of Fields’s Dodge.

    The rear end damage to the Hyundai Accent does not look as extensive as on the sliver car (a Toyota?) Fields rear ended, but this could be explained by the Charlottesville accident being a three car pile up, whereas this crash test is just two cars, plus the Dodge Challenger is probably a pretty heavy car and the crash happened on an incline. I imagine, that the middle car in a three car pile up usually has the most extensive rear end damage, because it gets sandwiched between the first and third car. The third car (Fields’ Dodge) has in most cases probably the most extensive front end damage:

    Rear end damage to the middle silver car (possibly a Toyota?):

    Front end damage to Fields’ Dodge:

  302. @Sean

    “It’s mad dog because it can’t be reasoned with. Truth may be a complete defence on a higher plain, but we are down here with the filth , worms and MSM.”

    Fair enough. But you don’t see that the truth of all this IS down with the filth, worms and the MSM. As far as the obese? Please, growing up Sean, every public school had a fattie in every grade. ONE. She was mercilessly fat-shamed and don’t tell me you never did it. Girls just weren’t fat then. Too bad for the fatty that had a “problem”, but that shaming of one was a good reminder to all the other little girls to keep up the struggle to stay thin.

    Women were once beautiful and thin, had class, were kept in line by their men. The occasional rogue attitude was still beautiful. Look at them now, the average woman in her 20s is a dumpster-fire. And you defend that? What, you have obese daughters” You a chubby chaser? I’m searching for a reason for your tolerance and defense of the degradation of thought and condition of this age.

    We bitch and complain that men are soft, fat and lazy, the youth. What are they to get hard-working-tough for? THESE girls? Ha!

  303. @Tyrion

    In a bar, with girls, you need to dress in reasonable clothes or be reasonable looking, for example. I am a nice guy so I feel towards you as the latter. I pity you and am actually sort of on your team. Sadly for me.

    Well, that explains it, White Knight, errr, Tyrion. Nice guys get no pussy. Instead of taking the blame, you try to get all the others to join you in your niceties and no-pussy-gittin’ ways.

    Pass.

    Now go take a fat chick to dinner. At her natural grazing ground. MacDonalds.

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  304. @FKA Max

    Hey, my folks retired to Lake Monticello near there. When Pop’s club was too busy, we’d go play Birdwood. What a goat’s path. A real dog of a course. Not the sort of course I’d wanna crash and burn on. Poor bastards.

  305. Avery says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Wow, the worn out ‘meds’ prescription trope again by Dr. Bovine, M.D.
    How original.

    { It’s starting to become clear why Turks don’t care much for Armenians.}

    Did it become clear before or after you had your daily ration of nutritious hay?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  306. @Avery

    If the prescription is worn out, it’s only because the behavior is repeated over and over again. Hey, don’t shoot the messenger (shoot something, I guess, given Armenian military prowess; are any Turks at hand?).

    • Replies: @Avery
  307. Avery says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Bovines are not shot: they end up in the abattoir; when they are nicely marbled and ready. Then the ungulate becomes beefsteak.
    Keep chewing that cud, bovine: you might get lucky some day.

    {shoot something, I guess,….}

    No thanks.

  308. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    The creator of the “Making of a Murderer: Charlottesville” video issued a correction and update today, since he had claimed and assumed in several of his videos, that Heather Heyer was never hit by James Fields’ car:

    UPDATE & CORRECTION! Heather Heyer WAS apparently hit by the car. @BrockenJr at Gab.ai & Hunter Wallace of OccidentalDissent found her. The vid is apparently AFTER she rolled off hood. https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY

    Archived link: http://archive.is/4Ss0X

    Picture origin:

    The source seems credible and legit:
    [...]
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-car-photo/index.html

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599

    This fact was actually discussed in this comment thread a couple of days ago already, see here:

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a0_1504662541 (this video shows where Heather was prior to being hit)

    Not a troll. Just trying to ascertain the facts as accurately as possible.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001310

    From close observation, which you can do yourself, it is plain to see that at one point in time, just before the gray car rams the protesters, Heather is at the end of the bed of a black pickup truck. Then, just seconds later, the gray car smashes through, and Heather is twenty feet behind the same pickup on the ground. The only way for her to travel 30 or 40 feet in seconds would be if she was hit by the moving car and moved from her original location to the spot where she ended up. Any such contact could be seriously damaging to a person, especially a person who was not in very good physical shape. Receiving a serious injury could lead to the onset of a heart attack as serious physical trauma often has such consequences.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001166

    Furthermore, Brown et al., examined the effects of obesity on trauma outcomes in severely injured patients and reported patients with obesity experienced longer hospitalisation, more complications, and increased risk of mortality (OR 1.6; 95%CI, 1.0—2.3)[11].
    Other than mortality, studies have also reported that trauma patients with morbid obesity are at greater risk of acute respiratory failure, acute renal failure, multiple organ failure, pneumonia,
    thrombosis and urinary tract infections [12].
    [...]
    Even though Heather Heyer had the advantage of younger age (she was 32 years old I believe) and the accident (or intentional attack?) was a “low-to-moderate speed” impact crash, her being severely overweight probably put her at a much higher risk of mortality in this situation than other participants in the protest

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2006690

    I am trying to get to the bottom of this case, see here:

    Thank you very much for providing and pointing us to this video footage. You are correct.

    Just trying to ascertain the facts as accurately as possible.

    I think this is what we all want and are here for.

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001359

    I am above all else interested in the Truth, and I am perfectly alright if in the end the Alt Right or I get proven wrong.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003978

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  309. fnn says:
    @Avery

    History is full of pointless killing (but if there’s money to be made or some invented justification there’s always a point of some kind ) , you hysterical bitch. Brits did plenty of it against the Boers, the Kikuyus, the Tibetans and others that get little publicity or sympathy. I don’t who you’re performing fellatio on, but the Soviets, the Soviet Jews and the Israelis have plenty of nasty stuff as well. You need a strong butt to the head to clam you down.

    • Replies: @Avery
  310. Avery says:
    @fnn

    {….. hysterical bitch.}

    Stop gloating about yourself.

    { I don’t who you’re performing fellatio on,}

    No doubt speaking from extensive personal experience…….Yes?

    {You need a strong butt to the head to clam you down.}

    You are most welcome to try.
    I live in the Los Angeles area.
    Let me know when you’ll be at LAX, with a sign that says ‘FNN”, and we’ll meet you.

    ‘We’ being my attorney, local police, private detectives, other friends.
    As soon as you administer your ‘strong butt to the head‘ to , quote, ‘clam’ (calm)
    me down, you’ll be arrested for assault and battery.
    You will be taken to LA Central jail for processing.

    Who knows what will happen to you there, while you are waiting to see the judge in a few days. LA central jail is full of nasty criminals.
    We have lots friends and connections in various strata of local society.

    Looking forward to your visit to our lovely Los Angeles, California.

  311. fnn says:

    Unlike faggot Amery,the Israelis are a lot more relaxed about all this stuff:

    • Replies: @Avery
  312. Avery says:
    @fnn

    ‘ faggot’, ‘bitch’, ‘fellatio’,……

    You seem to have an obsession with homosexual sex.
    Had an adventurous childhood, did you?
    And didn’t I already tell you not to gloat about your sexual experiences?
    It isn’t polite and nobody is really interested @UNZ: we try to discuss serious and interesting issues here.

  313. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Doing so might dampen all the wild speculation in which some are engaging

    And you had me suckered into believing that you were all in on that shining a bright light routine.

  314. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    You can clearly hear the guy hit Fields’ car at about 16.5 sec into the Fox News Youtube video, and I am sure Fields might have perceived and heard that noise of the wooden flag pole hitting his car even more intensely inside the car, which quite possibly and naturally could have startled, distracted, and/or scared/angered him

    This is also important information to consider in this context, in my opinion:

    Distracted Driving Awareness

    Distracted driving is anything that takes your hands off the wheel, your eyes off the road or mind off driving. It is extremely risky behavior that puts everyone on the road in danger.
    [...]
    Other common distractions include: tending to kids or passengers in the back seat, eating, watching an event outside of the vehicle, interacting with passengers, unsecured pets, putting on makeup or grooming, adjusting radio or climate controls, checking your GPS app or system and even daydreaming.
    [...]
    To successfully avoid a crash, a driver must perceive a hazard, react and give the vehicle time to stop. Driver perception distance, or the distance a vehicle travels from the time a driver sees a hazard until the brain recognizes it, and reaction distance, the distance a car will continue to travel after seeing a hazard until the driver physically hits the brakes, dramatically affects a vehicle’s stopping distance. Even a focused driver going 50 mph will travel nearly the length of a football field before coming to a complete stop.

    When a driver is not focused on the road, it limits their ability to come to a stop and avoid a crash.

    https://www.flhsmv.gov/safety-center/driving-safety/distracted-driving/

    So even if Fields was only driving at a speed of 25 to 30 mph, as I suspect he did after I did my, admittedly, very rough distance measurements and (average) speed calculations, and was focused and calm, it would still take him up to 44 ft. to 66 ft. just to perceive and react, let alone initiate brake action, to any obstacles and people in his way, and he definitely, in my opinion, was not focused and calm in this situation, as most people can probably agree with, especially after his vehicle was loudly struck with that wooden flag pole.

    Two days ago, after I fully got into and somewhat obsessed about this investigation, I actually tested how much more or less loudly and intensely I would perceive the bumper of our car being struck from outside and then from inside the car.

    I, being outside the vehicle, hit the driver side back bumper of our car with a rubber mallet, just like it happened in Fields’ case, to see how intensely I would perceive and how loudly I would hear that noise. Then I sat in the driver seat inside the car with all windows and doors closed and had my wife strike the bumper with the rubber mallet, with same intensity and in the same location as I did before.

    I actually perceived the noise much more intensely and loudly inside the car than outside the car. I assume this is caused by the sound traveling through and being amplified by the car’s metal frame.

    Again, this is just my highly amateurish investigation of what could have happened during those few fateful and tragic moments on that day in Charlottesville. But I believe it is extremely important and worth it to look into and consider all of these details and possibilities, since so much is at stake, e.g., possibly the First Amendment.

    A Toyota Tundra pickup is about 20 feet long, per Google, and the silver car Fields rear ended http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2007082 was just a couple of feet (maybe 5 to 10 ft.?) below that parked Toyota Tundra pickup on 4th Street. So my guess would be that in the above picture I shared the silver car is about 50 ft. ahead and in the picture in comment #51 when the guy hits/makes contact with Fields’ bumper http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2003431 the distance is maybe 65 ft. from the silver convertible.

    But I could be wrong and several feet off with this semi-educated guesstimate.

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  315. Alden says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Negligent homicide requires 2 things.

    1 Should have known in advance.
    ( advance is not a mob running into the street in front of your car which is already legally driving in the street) more than a minute or 2 is required for negligence.

    2 Known in advance and not rectified the dangerous situation which caused a death.

    Standard negligent homicide is a dangerous situation, usually real property or premises situation that causes a death.

    Generally dangerous construction site not properly locked up someone wanders in, falls and gets killed.

    Typical example swimming pool in a yard with neither fence around yard or around swimming pool. Neighbors have called building department. Inspectors order proper fencing according to pertinent code. Property owner doesn’t put in fence. Neighbor drowns. That’s negligence.

    A couple minutes to react to a mob violating jay walking law by jumping in front of your car is not negligence if you hit someone.

    A minute on wikepedia does not an attorney make.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  316. FKA Max says:
    @Alden

    Alden,

    our past kerfuffles aside, since you seem to have a background in the law, what do you make of the following:

    In court Wednesday, a judge explained to Fields that Weber had a conflict of interest in the case, and that he would now be represented by former Albemarle County Commonwealth’s Attorney Denise Lunsford, a Democrat.

    Weber is one of 13 plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the city over its decision to remove the statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from the park [...]
    http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/former-albemarle-prosecutor-lunsford-appointed-to-fields-case/article_e1810bee-829b-11e7-9b65-5b503c6f69d2.html

    Sealed search warrants shield details in Charlottesville case

    Details about any evidence found in James Alex Fields Jr.’s Dodge Challenger have been secreted for the time being by a Charlottesville judge, WTOP has learned.
    [...]
    http://wtop.com/virginia/2017/08/sealed-search-warrants-shield-details-charlottesville-case/

    http://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2009515

  317. Alden says:
    @Tyrion

    The Guardian tells the truth about a liberal propaganda lie???? What happened????? It’s a miracle, a miracle.

    Too bad it took that commie propaganda rag 20 years to acknowledge a few of the thousands of Muslim rapes of very young White British girls.

  318. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max

    Holy Moly,

    I just struck gold!

    I was doing some more research on James Fields and came across the following video (which has 223 views currently):

    I knew James Fields Jr….

    Llama Bandit
    Published on Aug 24, 2017
    This is a quick video addressing all questions, people have had for Elliott about his communication with James Fields when they went to school together.

    The video is pretty boring and not many new insights about James Fields are revealed… but then, luckily enough, I decided to check out the comment section, which has/had 15 comments, that was when I struck gold in the form of this comment!

    Occam’s Router
    1 week ago
    It was not under acceleration until the impact though. I pointed out the exact moment as James brakes for a pedestrian, and continues rolling forward. Average speed of 18MPH at that middle stretch. After being struck the first time, he hits the gas.
    I made measurements based on the footage, and calculated speed against time. He wasn’t going fast enough to deploy the airbag.

    With the crowd already rushing in behind him, before any pedestrian injuries, it is not hard to imagine that James was under fight-or-flight instinct already. Smacking his car would have added to it exponentially.

    Then I saw that this Youtube commenter had made a video about his research, which only has 52 views (!?!?!?) so far.

    Occam’s Router
    2 weeks ago
    Definitely – especially if he was prescribed a benzo-based drug, which you cannot just stop taking cold turkey…by design. I’m willing to bet many of the domestic shooting spree crimes involve medication of some sort, but not focused on in the reporting.

    I am about to release a video that breaks down the footage of the ramming, and it demonstrates the flaws of assuming it was an intentional attack. After the hours of research so far, I can see nothing except a manslaughter charge.

    Everyone interested in this case needs to watch this video:

    What Happened to Due Process in the US?
    52 views

    Occam’s Router
    Published on Sep 3, 2017
    A few amateur video clips are not enough to determine guilt, and you would demand your right to a fair trial if necessary.

    This demand for instant justice trend needs to stop!

    Basically this person did the same research and came to the same conclusions that I did in this comment thread, he just did it a week or two before me, ha, ha, ha, ha ;-)

    Absolutely fantastic work!

  319. FKA Max says:
    @wayfarer

    The Charlottesville incident was not a False Flag!

    Here a much better analysis, which has only 52 views so far, I wonder why?

    Everyone interested in this case needs to watch this video:

    What Happened to Due Process in the US?
    52 views

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2010014

  320. Dissident says:
    @fnn

    Belloc was a Catholic apologist. Pre-Vatican II, the Catholic solution to the JQ was conversion

    .

    I have a memory of Belloc, in The Jews, explicitly stating that the Jewish problem cannot be solved by Jews converting but I am unable to find it now.

  321. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    Disagree. It may well be used one day soon to discredit the entire website. It is ammunition for all of our enemies, the provision of which violates the first rule of combat.

    Ron, please remove this article.

  322. fnn says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    But you have to assume that Nazi racial scientists had some strong connection to the Nazi regime, which was totalitarian. Likely they were sometimes (or often) ignored for pragmatic reasons, not ideological ones. Also, some Ukrainians think that Erich Koch (a known former KPD member) was a secret Red agent. He was allowed to live a very long life in captivity, despite all his crimes.

  323. Tyrion says:
    @Jim Christian

    I can afford to be a nice guy. My other qualities more than allow me. That isn’t the same as having no boundaries though. No one can afford that.

  324. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    UPDATE & CORRECTION! Heather Heyer WAS apparently hit by the car. @BrockenJr at Gab.ai & Hunter Wallace of OccidentalDissent found her. The vid is apparently AFTER she rolled off hood. https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY

    Archived link: http://archive.is/4Ss0X

    VDare just published a good update on the Charlottesville incident and event, but they are making/repeating the false claim in it that Heather Heyer was not hit by the car:

    Anarcho-Tyranny Update: Mounting Proof That The Charlottesville Five Are Political Prisoners

    Given Heather Heyer’s mother’s revelation that her (morbidly obese) daughter had died, not of blunt force trauma but from a heart attack [NBC interview, August 19, 2017] find out what Heyer’s autopsy determined, and what effect that would have on the charges against car driver James Alex Fields Jr. (whom VDARE.com’s James Kirkpatrick has already suggested may be the next George Zimmerman. Subsequent video evidence appears to show that Heyer was not hit by the car at all).

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/anarcho-tyranny-update-mounting-proof-that-the-charlottesville-five-are-political-prisoners

    If anyone associated with VDare is reading this comment, please let them know about this error/mistake, because this could be damaging to their reputation and credibility if they keep repeating this false claim.

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  325. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    I just left a comment on Mr. Stix’s blog http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2017/09/riding-whirlwind-in-world-of-breaking.html quoting and linking to this comment. It is currently still in the moderation stage:

    Your comment has been saved and will be visible after blog owner approval.
    Post a Comment On: Nicholas Stix, Uncensored
    “Riding the Whirlwind, in a World of Breaking Fake News, and Fake Law: My New Report on the Charlottesville Five is Up!”
    No comments yet. – Show Original Post

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=24200494&postID=5602803964146233400&page=0&token=1506796728192&bpli=1

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  326. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Comment was approved by Mr. Stix:

    FKA Max said…

    Mr. Stix,

    I just commented on your article over at Unz.com:
    [...]
    Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 2:38:00 PM EDT

    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2017/09/riding-whirlwind-in-world-of-breaking.html?showComment=1506796728192#c3994226027780176084

  327. I looked at your photo. I assume you’re claiming Heyer was hit directly by the car, rather than by intervening people.

    https://imgur.com/a/ycWgY

    I see a plump white face over what appears to be a black shirt. There are no glasses, ponytail, or indication of gender. It may or may not be Heyer. Over the black shirt I see what looks like a flying white water bottle. Just under that is what appears to be a patch of very light blue cloth that can only be another person, perhaps their back or rear end (blue jeans?). That person is clearly between the black shirt and the Challenger. Directly in front of the black clad person is an airborne man with a tattoo on his back.

    - I suggest that your black clad person was hit by the person in blue jeans and the tattooed man, not by the Challenger. Note that camera perspective in your photo may give an illusion of closeness.

    Check out this photo. I counted at least twenty white people wearing black shirts, many of them quite large. Black was popular that day.

    Check out this video.

    The first frame is key. You can see the tattooed man directly to the right of the car, rolling on the ground. His tattoo is faintly visible on his back. There is a person with blue jeans and a black top rolling on the street about six feet further down. I think they’re too slender to be the black clad person in your photo, but may be the owner of the light blue jeans.

    The red circle highlights a large white person in a black top falling to the ground just after the initial impact. They are at least ten feet further forward and considerably to the front and right of the Challenger. The first frame shows a large gap in front of the Challenger, you can see light and shadows under the bumper.

    - In order for the black clad person to fly so far, they must have been lifted into the air by the feet of the tattooed man and/or the jean clad person. That’s hard to imagine. Either way, they were not hit directly by the car.

    But I agree it’s important to avoid final conclusions.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  328. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Simple Joe

    Thank you very much for your feedback.

    What convinced me were the two comments in this comment thread by commenter “Objective Observer”, here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001166

    and here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-fat-heather-heyer-hoax/#comment-2001310

    I looked at your photo. I assume you’re claiming Heyer was hit directly by the car, rather than by intervening people.

    Yes that is my claim and conclusion, but the photos were only a confirmation of what I had already concluded before her location had been when she was hit by the Dodge from watching the video that “Objective Observer” had shared.

    Here in this photo you can see the top part of her head/face looking right at the Dodge just before impact, and she is wearing glasses, etc. More details here: https://www.unz.com/article/anarchotyrannys-unequal-justice/#comment-2008599

    Also, another important article and comments thread on the Charlottesville incident and event, for any new readers of this comments thread: http://www.unz.com/article/anarcho-tyranny-update/#comment-2027101

    I hope this information can assist you in gaining more clarity and understanding for yourself on what exactly transpired during those tragic and fateful seconds on that day in Charlottesville.

  329. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Suspect in Charlottesville car attack faces new first-degree murder charge

    Young also testified that he was among the first officers to respond to the scene where Fields pulled over. No weapon was found in the car, he said.

    Lunsford asked the detective what Fields said as he was being detained.

    Fields said he was sorry and asked if people were OK, according to Young. When Fields was told someone had died, he appeared shocked and sobbed, Young said.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-james-alex-fields-charlottesville-20171214-story.html

    James Fields is Innocent!

    Jason Kessler
    Published on Dec 14, 2017
    I was in court for all the Fields, Goodwin, Preston & Ramos cases from Unite the Right. With new details about the car accident never released anywhere else.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  330. Louie says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    “Neo-nazis” are a Jewish invention.
    EVERYBODY on both sides in Charlottesville was drawing a Jew paycheck.
    Let’s be more concerned about Neo-soviets, who continue to be the great murderers of the world.

    • Agree: Byrresheim
  331. Pat_HInes says:

    Like Marcus Cicero, I was at the Charlottesville rally. There were no known “crisis actors” there.

    I’m an RN, and a League of the South member and officer. I treated the rally participant on the good side for his serious head wound caused by the negro thug, DeAndre Harris. Harris was stopped by courageous men, who have been charged with a crime. Self defense and defense of others isn’t a crime in most places, but in the neo-bolshevik government of Charlottesville, defense of others is apparently a crime.

    Despite the fact that Heather Heyer was an active participant of ANTIFA criminality, the driver of the car that never touched her has been charged with first degree murder for her death by natural causes. The real facts are that Heather Heyer was one nasty piece of work.

    Such is the bizarre actions of the neo-bolsheviks.

  332. MrDoodles says:

    A group of agressive leftfashist with baseball bats attacked the driver of the car, who was driving in self defence through the leftist terrorist mob.

    As you can see in many videos on youtube showing different viewpoints, there was a thin little lesbian in short skirt weaponed with a baseball bat trying to attack the car driver along with other left terrorist scumbags. The sexual frustrated abortion loving lesbian was hit by the car her vagina was squeezed a little bit between a standing car nearby.

    Anyway, Next time it should be a Scania Truck

    If you wanna kill leftfashist do it like ISIS

  333. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Christian

    not 400 pounds.

    265 to 290, 325 tops (Take Off Pounds Safely :) ) is closer to reality.

  334. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    I sure as hell hope James Field is not relying on Jason Kessler as a witness to keep him out of prison for the rest of his life, because Kessler is an incoherent loser.

    btw, keep that waving hand out of the frame. It looks like you are swatting flies.

  335. LoLCamper says:

    This article is trash. Very disappointing.

  336. FKA Max says: • Website
    @wayfarer

    Updated video on the Heather Heyer-James Fields incident/tragedy by Youtuber “Occam’s Router”, highly recommended:

    The Charlottesville Incident and the Court of Public Opinion

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