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“Love is civilization’s miracle”, wrote Stendhal in his insightful essay on Love.[1]Stendhal, Love, Penguin Classics, 2000, p. 83. He was talking about the high ideal of love elaborated in Western Europe, from twelfth-century courtly love to nineteenth-century romanticism. That ideal is pretty much dead, buried under the heaps of obscenities produced industrially every day by our degenerate sub-culture. As the fish stinks by the head, so is the Jeffrey Epstein scandal a good indicator of the current state of rot of the Western Eros.

It is also emblematic of the role of Israel (I mean International Jewry) in the moral corruption of our once Christian civilization. Jews have always excelled as sex trafficking. As documented by Hervé Ryssen in “Israel and the White Slave Trade,” it was not a “Russian Mafia” that lured about 500,000 young women from Eastern Europe into worldwide prostitution networks during the 1990s, but ethnic Jews with Israeli citizenship. A 2000 Amnesty International report identified Israel as the central hub of this traffic, in which unsuspecting young girls were sequestrated, beaten, raped, enslaved and mentally destroyed.

Pornography, a specialization of prostitution, is almost a Jewish monopoly. Professor Nathan Abrams of the University of Aberdeen broke the taboo in 2004 with an article in the Jewish Quarterly (reprinted in a collection of essays titled Jews and Sex):

“there’s no getting away from the fact that secular Jews have played (and still continue to play) a disproportionate role throughout the adult film industry in America. Jewish involvement in pornography has a long history in the United States, as Jews have helped to transform a fringe subculture into what has become a primary constituent of Americana.”[2]“Triple exthnics: Nathan Abrams on Jews in the American Porn Industry,” Jewish Quarterly, vol 51, n°4 (2004), pp. 27-31.

The expression “secular Jews” is a convenient euphemism. Porn journalist Luke Ford, author of A History of X: 100 Years of Sex in Film, likewise insists that the business is run by “non-Jewish Jews,” by which he means “Jews alienated from Judaism.” He writes in his essay “Jews in Porn”:

“Jews participating in the sex trade are not behaving Jewishly. They’re acting in a manner contrary to everything Jewish—the Torah, Israel, God, synagogue and everything the Jewish tradition considers holy.”

We’ve heard that line before: Jewish Bolsheviks were not Jews either, because they didn’t behave Jewishly. In this article, I will try to show that, just like Jewish Bolsheviks, Jews who abduct, enslave, sell, torture, or even sacrifice ritually Gentile girls are behaving much in accordance with the Torah. I insist: with the Torah, not just with the Talmud.

32,000 shikses and other biblical stories

The Torah forbids the Israelites, under penalty of death, to “have intercourse with an animal” (Exodus 22:18)—although I’ve heard the Talmud is more lenient—but there is not a trace of a prohibition to exploit sexually young Gentile girls. On the contrary, there is Moses’ blessing upon it.

In Numbers 31, Moses ordered his men to slaughter all the Midianites, because they had persuaded the Israelites to intermarry with the Moabites. Moses’s soldiers killed all the men but took “the Midianite women and their little ones captive.” Moses “was enraged with the officers of the army” and rebuked them: “Why have you spared the life of all the women? They were the very ones who […] caused the Israelites to be unfaithful to Yahweh.” He compromised: “So kill all the male children and kill all the women who have ever slept with a man; but spare the lives of the young girls who have never slept with a man, and keep them for yourselves.” At the end of the day, the booty amounted to thousands of sheep, goats, cattle, donkeys, “and in persons, women who had never slept with a man, thirty-two thousand in all.” Since no age is specified, and since girls were married very young in nomadic societies, we can guess that the 32,000 girls taken as human booty were mostly children. Nothing is said of their fate, but the very criterion of their selection (having never slept with a man) leaves us in no doubt about their utility. They were certainly not taken as wives, since the whole story is about the prohibition of marrying non-Jews. So we have here, I think, an unmistakable biblical precedent for the sexual enslavement of Gentile girls on a massive scale.

Incidentally, such narrative informs us on the logic behind the rule of transmission of Jewishness by the mother. This rule, never explicit in the Torah, has nothing to do with any particular respect for women. It follows directly from the fact that sex with foreign girls is lawful, as long as any bastard thus conceived is kept outside of the community (Deuteronomy 23:3). The opposite situation needed not be considered: by biblical standards, a Jewish woman having sex with a Gentile would be stoned to death, before giving birth.

Unless, of course, she was acting for a higher purpose. Wealthy Jews such as the Rothschilds, although highly endogamous, have often married their daughters into aristocratic families.[3]According to Hilaire Belloc, “with the opening of the twentieth century those of the great territorial English families in which there was no Jewish blood were the exception” (The Jews, Constable & Co., 1922, archive.org, p. 223). The biblical prototype, in this case, is Mordecai’s niece Esther, who, by marrying the Persian king, saved the Jews from Haman’s evil scheme. The story—Netanyahu’s favorite—ends happily with the Jews slaughtering 75,000 Persians, men, women and children, after which “the various peoples were now all afraid of the Jews” (9:2), and “Mordecai the Jew was next in rank to King Ahasuerus” (10:3). Esther is the archetypal Jewish heroin who marries a Goy for the sake of the Jews.

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Some rabbinical tradition claims that Esther was not only Mordecai’s niece, but also his wife, whom he had sent into the bed of the king of kings. In that case, Mordecai was following the example of Abraham. Married to his half-sister Sarah (his father’s daughter), Abraham introduced her as his sister to Pharaoh who took her as a concubine, then compensated Abraham with “flocks, oxen, donkeys, men and women slaves, she-donkeys and camels” (Genesis 12:16). Abraham repeated the trick with the Philistine king Abimelech and got again “sheep, cattle, men and women slaves” (Genesis 20:14).

Such stories do not convey much reverence for women, but rather betray a utilitarian and mercantile view of women. The story of how Jacob married the two daughters of his uncle Laban (Genesis 29) is also representative. Jacob asks for Rachel as “wages” for seven years of work for Laban. But he is duped by Laban who slips Leah into his bed at night instead of Rachel. Jacob has to work seven more years to get Rachel too.

One story that shows an even more sinister view of women is found in Judges 19. A Levite from the highlands of Ephraim travels to Bethlehem in Judah with his concubine, and stops in the Benjaminite city of Gibeah, where he receives the hospitality of an old native from Ephraim.

“While they were enjoying themselves, some townsmen, scoundrels, came crowding round the house; they battered on the door and said to the old man, master of the house, ‘Send out the man who went into your house, we should like to have intercourse with him!’ The master of the house went out to them and said, ‘No, brothers, please, do not be so wicked. Since this man is now under my roof, do not commit such an infamy. Here is my daughter; she is a virgin; I shall bring her out to you. Ill-treat her, do what you please with her, but do not commit such an infamy against this man.’ But the men would not listen to him. So the Levite took hold of his concubine and brought her out to them. They had intercourse with her and ill-treated her all night till morning; when dawn was breaking they let her go. At daybreak the girl came and fell on the threshold of her husband’s host, and she stayed there until it was light. In the morning her husband got up and, opening the door of the house, was going out to continue his journey when he saw the woman, his concubine, lying at the door of the house with her hands on the threshold. ‘Get up,’ he said, ‘we must leave!’ There was no answer. He then loaded her on his donkey and began the journey home. Having reached his house, he took his knife, took hold of his concubine and cut her, limb by limb, into twelve pieces.” (19:22-29).

The Levite sent the pieces to different Israelite towns with a call for vengeance against Gibeah. The Israelites slaughtered everyone in Gibeah and set the city on fire, while six hundred Benjaminite warriors had escaped into the desert. Then, as a token of reconciliation, they decided to provide these Benjaminites with new wives. For this, they attacked the town of Jabesh in Gilead, where they killed “all males and all those women who have ever slept with a man,” but gathered four hundred virgins to offer the Benjaminites (21:10-24 ).

The way the Levite and his host offer their concubine and daughter for rape is reminiscent of the story of the two daughters of Lot (Abraham’s nephew), who are also proposed by their father (Genesis 19) to the Sodomites who wanted to “have intercourse” with the two “messengers of Yahweh” accommodated by Lot. “Look,” said Lot, “I have two daughters who are virgins. I am ready to send them out to you, for you to treat as you please, but do nothing to these men since they are now under the protection of my roof’” (Genesis 19:8). The Hebrew for “messengers” is malachim in Hebrew, translated as angeloi in Greek, and although these “messengers of Yahweh” are understood as “angels,” they might have been Levites in the original story. In this case, Lot’s daughters were saved by the “angels” miraculously blinding the Sodomites so that “they could not find the doorway” (double meaning?).

Later on, Lot’s daughters got their father drunk to conceive with him Moab and Ben-Ammi, ancestors of the Moabites and Ammonites (Genesis 19:31–38). That brings us to the main purpose of Israelite women: provide male heirs to their husbands. There are numerous examples in the Bible highlighting this absolute imperative. For instance, when Rachel found herself barren while her elder sister Leah had already given Jacob four sons, Rachel asked Jacob to unite with her servant Bilha, who gave him two sons as Rachel’s substitute. Then “Leah, seeing that she had ceased to bear children, took her slave-girl Zilpah and gave her to Jacob as concubine” (Genesis 30:9).

In biblical anthropology, there is no other immortality for a man than through his male offspring. From that derives a man’s duty to substitute for a brother who died without a son. In Genesis 38, after the death of his son Er, Judah asked his other son Onan to sleep with his sister-in-law Tamar “to maintain your brother’s line” (Genesis 38:8). Onan was reluctant to do so—he gave his name to “onanism”. Finally, Tamar dressed as a prostitute and slept with her father-in-law. Without her, there would have been no tribe of Judah. Tamar and Ruth exemplify the second type of Jewish heroin, who commits incest or adultery to save the clan or the tribe from extinction.

All these stories are pretty consistent in their representation of women and sexuality. Women have two functions: sex slaves if they are non-Jewish, and reproductive mates if they are Jewish. It would be hard to find any exception. The only biblical book that strikes a different note is the Song of Songs; but it is probably not of Israelite origin, and was only adopted in the Hebrew corpus in the first century of our era, due to an allegorical interpretation of Rabbi Akiva, who sees in it a symbolic declaration of the love between God and his people, although God is never mentioned. At any rate, its poetic eroticism does not rise above the comparison of love with drunkenness.

The Queen of Heaven

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Having outlined the “anthropology of Eros” implicit in the Tanakh, we can turn to its theology, with the understanding that theology and anthropology mirror each other. The general mentality and attitude to love, sex and women in any given civilization is reflected in—and influenced by—its mythology. India, for example, has a rich erotic mythology: the Kalika Purana tells how Brahma created Dawn, radiant of youth and vitality, and himself succumbed to her charms.[4]Heinrich Zimmer, The King and the Corpse: Tales of the Soul’s Conquest of Evil, 1948.

Nothing of that sort can be found in the Bible. Yahweh is a male god who abhors not only every other god, but goddesses as well. His feminine nemesis is Asherah. Her name appears forty times in the Tanakh, either to designate and curse the goddess, or to designate her symbol in the form of “sacred poles”. The Books of Kings report that Asherah was sometimes worshipped alongside Yahweh in Judea, and there is corroborating archeological evidence: inscriptions asking the blessing of “Yahweh and his Asherah,” dating from the eighth century BCE, were found in the ruins of Kuntillet Ajrud (the Sinai Peninsula).[5]Raphael Patai, The Hebrew Goddess, 3rd ed., Wayne State University Press, 1990, p. 34. But from the point of view adopted by the scribes, Asherah worship is an unbearable abomination. The Judean king Manasseh is loathed for having “set up altars to Baal and made an Asherah [sacred pole] … in the two courts of the Temple of Yahweh” (2 Kings 21:2–5), whereas his grandson Josiah is praised for having removed Asherah’s symbol from the temple and “burnt it, reducing it to ashes and throwing its ashes on the common burial-ground” (23:6).

Throughout Antiquity, most civilized peoples worshipped a great goddess, and generally agreed to identify her with the great goddesses worshipped under other names by other peoples. From the third millennium BCE, the Sumerians had worshipped the goddess Inanna, whose name may mean “Lady of Heaven”. She was associated to the planet Venus, the morning star, whom Greeks would call lightbearer, which, very significantly, was latinized as Lucifer. She became known to the Assyrians as Ishtar, who was herself known as Astarte in the Phoenician city states of Sidon, Tyre, and Byblos, and identified with the other Syrian goddess Asherah. No cult was more syncretic, and all these goddesses merged under the title of “Queen of Heaven”. It can be argued that the worship of the great motherly Goddess fostered the sense of the universal brotherhood of men, in a way that no male divinity could do. Perhaps that is why Yahweh hated Asherah so much.

The Birth of Venus, by Botticelli (1485)
The Birth of Venus, by Botticelli (1485)

Under King Josiah, Yahweh complains to his prophet Jeremiah that the Israelites continue to worship the “Queen of Heaven”: “The children collect the wood, the fathers light the fire, the women knead the dough, to make cakes for the Queen of Heaven; and, to spite me, they pour libations to alien gods” (Jeremiah 7,18). We read in Jeremiah 44 that, after the Babylonians took Jerusalem, Judeans who had fled to Egypt persisted in their abominable worship of the Queen of Heaven. Yahweh tells them that the destruction of Jerusalem was their punishment for these “wicked deeds … offering incense and serving other gods” (44:2-3). He threatens them with complete extermination if they persist: “Why bring complete disaster on yourselves … by provoking my wrath by your actions, … as though bent on your own destruction and on becoming a curse and a laughing-stock for all the nations of the earth?” (44:7-8). Unimpressed, the rebellious Jews respond to Jeremiah:

“We have no intention of listening to the word you have just spoken to us in Yahweh’s name, but intend to go on doing all we have vowed to do: offering incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring libations in her honour, as we used to do, we and our ancestors, our kings and our chief men, in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem: we had food in plenty then, we lived well, we suffered no disasters. But since we gave up offering incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring libations in her honour, we have been destitute and have perished either by sword or by famine” (44:16-18).

True to the jealous god he is serving, Jeremiah claims that it is precisely for having sacrificed to the Queen of Heaven that the Judeans were punished with the Babylonian army. But history proves him wrong: Manasseh’s 55-year reign, when Asherah was worshipped inside the Jerusalem temple, was an exceptionally long period of peace and prosperity, while Josiah brought disaster to Judea by his policy of exclusivism and provocation toward Babylon.

In the Hellenistic period, most great goddesses were identified to the Egyptian Isis, whose cult radiated from Alexandria across the Mediterranean Basin. Isis became known as the “myrionyme” goddess (“of ten thousand names”). In Apuleius’s novel The Golden Ass, she calls herself “Queen of Heaven” and “the natural mother of all things,” and declares: “my divinity is adored throughout the world, in divers manners, in variable customs, and by many names.”

Isis is a nourishing mother, for she taught the cultivation of wheat and the making of bread to the Egyptians, who taught it to the Greeks.[6]George Foucart, Les Mystères d’Éleusis, Picard, 1914 (on archive.org). Joseph Campbell notes that the Goddess is specially dear to sedentary agrarian societies, but not so to pastoral nomads, probably because “life in the desert doesn’t leave you feeling terribly grateful toward the Mother Goddess.”[7]Joseph Campbell, Goddesses, “Chapter 1: Myth and the Feminine Divine”. As a matter of fact, Yahweh doesn’t like vegetal offerings, and rejected Cain’s offering for that very reason. He also finds the incense offered to the Queen of Heaven “repellent” (Jeremiah 44:21). What he liked was the “pleasing smell” of animal and human holocausts.

Isis is also the goddess of love. After her husband Osiris was murdered and dismembered by his jealous younger brother Seth, she gathered the pieces and, through her lamentations and prayers, brought Osiris back to life. She then conceived with the revived Osiris a son, Horus, who would return as an adult to complete the deliverance of Osiris by taking vengeance on Seth and reign over Egypt. This is the timeless story of love’s triumph over death—the only love story worth telling. It is akin to the tale type known to folklorists as “Beauty and the Beast”, in which the sacrificial love of a woman heals the heart of a dead man, or breaks the spell put upon him.[8]Laurent Guyénot, La Mort féerique. Anthropologie du merveilleux, Gallimard, 2011, p. 318. But it also incorporates the redemptive virtue of vengeance, found for instance in Shakespeare’s Hamlet, in which the king is murdered by his brother and avenged by his son.

The Virgin Mother Mary

In the early centuries CE, Artemis was the name of the universal goddess in Ephesus (now in Turkey), where her gigantic temple was considered one of the Seven Wonders of the World. She was referred to as “the Mother of the gods”, although Christians called her “mother of the demons”. We read in the Acts of the Apostles (19:23-28) of a “serious disturbance” in Ephesus, when “a silversmith called Demetrius, who provided work for a large number of craftsmen making silver shrines of Artemis,” complained about Paul’s preaching:

“‘This threatens not only to discredit our trade, but also to reduce the sanctuary of the great goddess Artemis to unimportance. It could end up by taking away the prestige of a goddess venerated all over Asia, and indeed all over the world.’ This speech roused them to fury, and they started to shout, ‘Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!’” (Acts 19:23-28)[9]As usual, I quote the New Jerusalem Bible, but here, I have restored the name of Artemis, whom the translators had replaced by Diana.

Although the author of Acts belittles the Ephesians’ concern as purely economic, this was a religious conflict. It lasted several centuries, and in 401 the Temple of Artemis was burned by Christians. Thirty years later, the Eastern Roman emperor Theodosius II convened at Ephesus a council, at which the title Theotokos was officially bequeathed to the Virgin Mary. And so Artemis was given back to the Ephesians, only under a different identity. The pilgrims who had converged to Ephesus for centuries to pay homage to Artemis could now pray in front of the same statues and walk the same torchlight processions. Mary naturally became known as the Queen of Heaven, an attribute symbolized by her crown of twelve stars, recalling the zodiac which Artemis wore as a necklace.

Madonna del Granduca, by Raphael (1505)
Madonna del Granduca, by Raphael (1505)

In Egypt, Libya, Italy and Gaul, Mary merged perfectly with Isis, and the figure of Mary shedding tears at the foot of the cross echoed the lamentations of Isis. The crucified and resurrected Jesus made an excellent avatar of Osiris, who was used to absorbing other heroes and gods—for instance Antinous in the 2nd century CE. As for Horus, known to the Greeks as Harpocrates (from the Egyptian Har pa khrad, “Horus the child”), he was transformed into the figure of the Infant Jesus. In the Egyptian myth, Horus is conceived at the spring equinox, the time of harvest, and his birth is celebrated every year at the winter solstice. Isis hid Horus to protect him from the evil uncle whom he was destined to overthrow as king of Egypt, just as Mary hid Jesus—in Egypt precisely—to save him from King Herod who feared for his throne (Matthew 2). The representations of Isis with little Horus on her knees are believed to have influenced Christian art.

Isis lactans
Isis lactans

In a mostly illiterate society, it may seem fairly simple to convince a majority of people that the Mother of God and Queen of Heaven that their ancestors had worshipped was in fact the mother of a Jewish Messiah. Syncretism was, after all, in the very nature of the Goddess. But Christianization met strong resistance, among the aristocratic elite especially. The Christian version of the Goddess was frustratingly reductive: her exclusive human incarnation restricted her universal significance, and she lacked some aspects of femininity. Although Mary is “full of grace”, there is a limit to Marian mysticism: Eros is out of the question. Finally, the Virgin Mary is hardly a nurturing mother in the agrarian sense.

At any rate, it was not before the 12th century that the cult of Mary was firmly established in Western Europe. Bernard de Clairvaux (1090–1153) was the main promoter of this cult in France, and the first to call her “Our Lady” (“Notre Dame”). All the Gothic cathedrals from then on were consecrated to her. Yet in the South of France, many “Black Madonnas” produced as late as the 13th centuries are thought to have been made for Isis, rather than Mary. And even after the triumph of the Gregorian Reform in 1215 (Fourth Council of the Lateran), the ancient cult of Isis seems to have continued to irrigate secretly Western civilization, as an underground stream. We are now going to follow this stream until its resurgence in the romantic movement of the 19th century.

The courtly tradition of fin’amor

We should not imagine Western medieval society as immersed in a homogeneous Catholic faith, with only a few heretical groups at the fringe. As I have argued in a book based on my doctoral thesis, we get a more accurate idea of ​​medieval civilization if we consider that it has two distinct and antagonistic cultures: there is on one side the Latin culture of the clerics, with a near monopoly on the written word, and on the other, a rich culture in vernacular languages, mainly oral but leaving us enough written material from the 12th century. Unlike clerical culture, which is written in prose and concerned with doctrinal orthodoxy, lay culture is mostly narrative and poetic. It is of aristocratic origin, but permeates popular layers. In its highest expressions, such as Chrétien de Troyes’s masterpieces, it excels in polysemy and symbolism. Although we may call it “secular”, it possesses its own religiosity, which includes ideas about the world of the dead completely at odds with Christian doctrine.

Aristocratic non-clerical culture values love as the source of the greatest spiritual joy, and therefore cannot conceive of Paradise without it. Some poems sarcastically reject the loveless Christian Paradise: the male protagonist of the 12th century poem Aucassin et Nicolette, threatened with Hell by a cleric if he persists in loving Nicolette, answers that he prefers Hell, if that is where those who value love, chivalry and poetry are destined to go. In Guillaume de Lorris’s Roman de la Rose (1225-1230), the narrator dreams himself in a wonderful garden with a Fountain of Love and the most beautiful woman he has ever seen. According to specialist Jean Dufournet, we find in this work “the elements of a very strong spiritual current that make the protagonist an emulator of the mystics.” The god Amor who strikes the narrator’s heart may be a poetic hypostasis, but he poses as a competitor of the Catholic God of asceticism and virginity; incidentally, Amor is Roma in reverse.

These notions played a crucial role in the tradition known today as “courtly love”, first formalized in the troubadours’ poetry in Aquitaine, where the duchess Alienor (1122-1204), granddaughter of the first troubadour, introduced it to the court of her first husband, the King of France, then to that of her second husband, the King of England, where it combined harmoniously with the Celtic traditions of Wales and Britain, to produce for example the fairy lays of Marie de France or the Arthurian romances of Chrétien de Troyes.

As its name indicates, the fin’amor required the refinement or the crude sexual impulse. In the central episode of Chrétien de Troyes’s Erec and Enide, Erec meets a lovely damsel in a paradisiac garden magically protected, but must fight the terrible red knight who keeps her prisoner. Erec wins the fight, and learns that it is in fact the red knight who was prisoner of his lady, and is now free. Erec also learns that the lady was Enide’s cousin, and he can now celebrate with Enide the “Joy of the Court” (La Joie del Cort). When we know the cryptic codes of Chrétien de Troyes, and particularly his taste for puns and his habit of duplicating characters as brothers or cousins, we understand that, not only the two women are one, but the red knight is also the double of Erec himself, his dark, impulsive, side. It is therefore against himself that Erec must fight in order to experience the “Joy of the Heart” (La Joie del Cor in Old French) with his lady.

In his memorable essay Love in the Western World (originally published in French in 1938, revised in 1952, and followed in 1961 by Essays on the Myths of Love), French author Denis de Rougemont sought to understand the intricate relationship between the erotic and the religious in the tradition of the troubadours and their romantic heirs. He recognizes that this poetry is fundamentally religious, but foreign and opposed to Christianity. Because it developed at the same time (12th century) and in the same region (Occitania) as Catharism—sometimes even the same castles[10]Denis de Rougemont, Love in the Western World, Princeton UP, 1983, p. 84.—De Rougemont tried to link the two, but most historians have rejected his hypothesis of the troubadours’ secret Catharism. A simpler explanation for the proximity of the two traditions is the climate of religious tolerance that existed in the South of France before the Albigensian Crusades (1209-1229).

Whatever the case may be, De Rougemont has highlighted the fact that the Dame of the troubadours often appears an ideal, distant, almost intangible figure. Her name is generally kept secret, and when it is not, it suggests an allegorical fiction rather than a historical person: a good example is Geoffrey Rudel (12th century), who, “after long being in love with the image of a woman he has never seen, beholds her at last after a sea passage and dies in the arms of the Countess of Tripoli as soon as she has bestowed upon him a single kiss of peace and a greeting.” De Rougemont also notes that the stereotyped character of the troubadours’ poetry gives the impression that they all love the same Lady.[11]Denis de Rougemont, Love in the Western World, Princeton UP, 1983, pp. 91, 97.

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De Rougemont finds here an argument in support of his thesis that the Western experience of passionate love, “invented” by the troubadours, is an illusion, a lie: when the lover thinks he is loving a woman, he is, in fact, loving an ideal woman that doesn’t exist. But perhaps that ideal woman did exist, in the troubadours’ mind. Perhaps they believed that to love a woman perfectly is to perceive and worship the immaterial Goddess through her. From a Platonic perspective, the Idea is more real than its manifestations on earth, and for the medieval poet, as for the medieval philosopher, visible realities are always the symbol and the sign of more essential, invisible truths (Étienne Gilson, The Spirit of Mediaeval Philosophy, 1922). From that perspective, the psychological phenomenon that Stendhal called “crystallization”, which makes the beloved appear glowing with all perfections, takes on a very different meaning. Love does not lie; simply, its truth is not of this world.

Dante and the Fedeli d’Amore

Our fragmentary knowledge of the troubadours’ tradition does not allow any certainty about their underlying philosophy. There is no conclusive evidence of a religion of the Goddess encrypted in their art. But the love poetry of their immediate successors, namely Dante Alighiery (1265-1321), Petrarch (1304-1374) and Boccaccio (1313-1375), is much more illuminating. All are from Florence, a city where many Occitans took refuge after fleeing the Frankish crusaders and the Roman Inquisition.[12]Philippe Guiberteau, “Dante, Guido Cavalcanti et les Épicuriens de Florence,” Bulletin de l’Association Guillaume Budé, n°3, octobre 1969, pp. 349-368, www.persee.fr/doc/bude_0004-5527_1969_num_1_3_3070 Literary critics have often wondered if the ladies to whom they addressed their most beautiful verses (respectively Beatrix, Laura and Fiametta) were real or archetypal women. Each of them was allegedly encountered during Holy Week, and died shortly after, so that the poet addresses her as a disembodied creature, living in Paradise where she transforms herself into Divine Light. Her lover then takes the title of pilgrim, and undertakes a spiritual journey to reach her.

What we think we know about Dante’s Beatrice comes exclusively from Boccaccio, who wrote fifty years later a commentary on the Divine Comedy. But Boccaccio had his own reason for claiming that Beatrice was a real woman. Dante’s poems are enigmatic, and the poet urges his readers to find the hidden meaning in his verses: “Men of sound intellect and probity, weigh with good understanding what lies hidden behind the veil of my strange allegory” (Inferno, IX, 61-63). Luigi Valli published in 1928 a book that made a great impression on thinkers like René Guénon, Julius Evola or Henri Corbin: Il linguaggio segreto di Dante e dei “Fedeli d’amore”.[13]Valli’s research was extended by Alfonso Ricolfi in Studi sui “Fedeli d’amore”, Soc. Anonima Dante Alighieri, 1933-1940. Formerly had appeared an article by Gabriele Rossetti (1832) discussed by Étienne-Jean Délécluze, in “Dante était-il hérétique ?” Revue des Deux Mondes, tome 1, 1834, pp. 370-405, on fr.wikisource.org. Also worth reading in French is Philippe Guiberteau, “Dante entre l’Église et l’hérésie,” Bulletin de l’Association Guillaume Budé, n°21, déc. 1962, pp. 460-489, on www.persee.fr, and Eugène Aroux, Dante, hérétique, révolutionnaire et socialiste, 1854. The “faithful of love” mentioned by Dante may have been a circle of poets, artists and philosophers, mainly Florentines, sharing highly heterodox religious conceptions, and a hostility to the new world order imposed by the Roman Church. These poets, writes Valli, made their love feelings “a material for expressing mystical and initiatory thoughts […] in a symbolic love language.”

The key to Beatrice’s cryptic identity in the Divine Comedy is provided by Dante in an earlier book titled Vita Nuova (The New Life). Here Dante first introduces “my mind’s glorious lady, … she who was called by many Beatrice, by those who did not know what it meant to so name her” (the name Beatrice means “she who confers blessing”). Nine times in his life, Beatrice appeared to him, Dante says. The first time, Beatrice “greeted me so virtuously, so much so that I saw then to the very end of grace.” For Beatrice’s “greeting”, Dante uses the Italian word saluto, which is close to salute, “salvation”. Beatrice’s saluto, says Dante, fills men with repentance, humility, forgiveness, and charity—hardly the qualities of the ordinary lover.

“In her eyes my lady bears Love,
by which she makes noble what she gazes on:
where she passes, all men turn their look on her,
and she makes the heart tremble in him she greets,
so that, all pale, he lowers his eyes,
and sighs, then, over all his failings:
anger and pride fleeing before her.
All sweetness, all humble thought
are born in the heart of him who hears her speak,
and he who first saw her is blessed.”

Beatrice is the essence of feminine grace and virtues, manifested in all women: “my lady came into such grace that not only was she honoured and praised, but through her many were also honoured and praised.” In several passages, Dante indicates that when he is sensitive to the charm of real women (Beatrice’s friends, for example), it is Beatrice that he sees through them: “They have seen perfection of all welcome / who see my lady among the other ladies.”

Dante seeing Beatrice through other women, as painted by Marcel Rieder in 1895
Dante seeing Beatrice through other women, as painted by Marcel Rieder in 1895

We need not take the cryptic nature of Dante’s message as a form of “esotericism”, as did René Guénon (The Esoterism of Dante, 1925). In those times, crypsis was necessary for any non-suicidal heterodox thinker. A close friend of Dante, Cecco d’Ascoli (1269-1327), was accused by the Inquisition of “speaking badly” of the Catholic faith and burnt at the stake, and Dante himself came under suspicion.

With some exaggeration perhaps, Robert Graves wrote that, “The purpose of poetry is religious invocation of the Muse,” whom he also called the White Goddess and the Mother of All Living.[14]Robert Graves, The White Goddess: A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth (1948), Farrar Strauss Giroux, 1966 , pp. 4, 24. Painters and sculptors have also devoted much effort to capturing and communicating the essence of feminine grace. The aesthetic experience, according to Schopenhauer, means getting lost in the contemplation of the Platonic Idea behind the phenomenon, thus escaping the cycle of unfulfilled desires. Surely Yahweh’s second commandment not to make “any image of anything” (Exodus 20:4) has much to do with the absence in Hebrew culture of any reverence for woman.

Two centuries after Dante, another Florentine genius, Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519), would give us a portrait of the Goddess under the name Mona Lisa. Just like for Dante’s Beatrice, scholars say they know her identity. Lady Lisa (Mona is a diminutive of Madonna, or Ma Donna) is said to have been the wife of a rich merchant who commissioned her portrait to the painter, who was then at the height of his glory. But the painting respects none of the codes of the portrait of the time (lack of jewelry, for example). And Leonardo worked on it uninterruptedly for ten years, with extraordinary devotion, religiously superimposing thousands of layers of paints and varnish of extreme thinness. He never parted from it until his death at the court of François 1st. Many have suspected, correctly I believe, that this painting is not the portrait of a lady, but the icon of the Lady, Donna l’Isa (Isa being a variant of Isis). The black veil that can be seen rejected on her left shoulder is a reference to the famous veil of Isis that “no mortal ever raised,” mentioned by Plutarch.

Romanticism and the Divine Sophia

According to Julius Evola (Metaphysics of Sex, 1934), Dante’s Beatrice, Petrarch’s Laura and Boccaccio’s Fiametta all symbolize Wisdom or Gnosis, the divine source of enlightenment. This is consistent with Dante’s admiration for Boethius, whom he places in Paradise. In his Consolation of Philosophy (524), Boethius told how, while awaiting death in the jails of King Theodoric, he had been visited by Philosophia in the form of a majestic woman, and entrusted his soul to her, without a hint of Christian faith.

Technically, philosophia is the love of Sophia, Wisdom. The divinization of Sophia is a very ancient tradition. It survived in Christian Byzantium, as the very name of the basilica Hagia Sophia (Holy Wisdom) bears witness. The tradition has even persisted in the fringe of Russian Orthodoxy. Philosopher and poet Vladimir Solovyov (1853-1900) experienced mystically the divine Sophia in the form of a celestial female being who made him feel that “All was one, a single image of womanly beauty” (Three meetings). Unfortunately, Solovyov’s attempt to reconcile the Trinitarian doctrine with the platonic notion of Divine Wisdom met with opposition in the Orthodox hierarchy.

Why would Wisdom be a woman? From a theological viewpoint, if God is seen as masculine, it makes sense that Wisdom, the intermediary principle that brings the world into being, be viewed as feminine. But from a psychological viewpoint, the question is: why would the Goddess, as the idealization of femininity, be associated to Wisdom? Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard has an answer: he saw a connection between the birth of nascent love in the heart of the adolescent and the blossoming of what he calls “Ideality”. This is one of Kierkegaard’s central insights, and it could be formulated in the following way: Sophia touches a man’s soul at the same time as Eros touches his heart. Both are complementary aspects of the same divine grace. If one is not sown, the other cannot blossom to its full potential. It follows that to defile the image of woman in the mind of adolescents through mass pornography, is to raise generations of men devoid of ideality.

Kierkegaard, who renounced marrying the woman he loved in order to cultivate his genius, wrote in In Vino Veritas (1845):

“It is through woman that ideality is born into the world and—what were man without her! There is many a man who has become a genius through a woman, many a one a hero, many a one a poet, many a one even a saint; but he did not become a genius through the woman he married, for through her he only became a privy councilor; he did not become a hero through the woman he married, for through her he only became a general; he did not become a poet through the woman he married, for through her he only became a father; he did not become a saint through the woman he married, for he did not marry, and would have married but one—the one whom he did not marry; just as the others became a genius, became a hero, became a poet through the help of the woman they did not marry.”

This dilemma is at the heart of the romantic or heroic conception of love. Love aspires to fusion and permanence, but only survives through separation and instability, and sometimes reaches perfection and immortality through death. This is best illustrated by the German poet Novalis (1772-1801), who first coined the term “romanticism.” In his Hymns to the Night, Novalis evokes his young fiancée Sophie von Kühn, whose death triggered his poetic gift, exactly as Beatrice did for Dante. As he was shedding tears on Sophie’s tomb, she appeared to him:

“through the cloud I saw the glorified face of my beloved. In her eyes eternity reposed. I laid hold of her hands, and the tears became a sparkling bond that could not be broken. Into the distance swept by, like a tempest, thousands of years. On her neck I welcomed the new life with ecstatic tears. It was the first, the only dream, and just since then I have held fast an eternal, unchangeable faith in the heaven of the Night, and its Light, the Beloved.”

Scene from Romeo and Juliet, by Lucy Madox Brown (c. 1880)
Scene from Romeo and Juliet, by Lucy Madox Brown (c. 1880)

“I have for Sophie religion, not love,” commented Novalis. Sophie became for him the Goddess. Gérard de Nerval (1808-1855), the emblematic French romantic poet, gave another beautiful expression of this theme in his last novel Aurélia (he was found dead soon after finishing it). As the narrator gets convinced by some sign that his death is near, he falls sick and, in his delirium, sees a woman of supernatural beauty, whose body grows until embracing the whole cosmos. She bears the features of Aurelia, the love of his youth, whom he had lost by some tragic misunderstanding and who, he will learn later, had just died. In another dream, she tells him she has been with him all the time: “I am the same as Mary, the same as your mother, the same as all the forms you have always loved.” And so the narrator concludes:

“I set my thoughts on the eternal Isis, the mother and the sacred wife; all my aspirations, all my prayers were confounded in this magical name, I felt reviving in her, and sometimes she appeared to me under the figure of the ancient Venus, sometimes also in the features of the Virgin of the Christians.”

Conclusion

The romantic ideal of love as a mystical encounter with the eternal feminine, or the Goddess, has had a very profound influence on European culture. Naturally, an ideal is never fully attained. Perhaps it is only approached by a blessed few, an aristocracy of love. Yet it glitters in the sky for all to see, and it attracts like a magnet the collective soul. Certainly, the ideal is the source of much disillusion and suffering, as De Rougemont insisted and as the romantic poets knew. But, as Byron said, “sorrow is knowledge.”

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Conversely, the absence of ideality in relationship to love in the Hebrew tradition has had a profound influence on the Jewish mind. The main reason why romanticism is foreign to Jewish culture is that there can be no truly romantic conception of love without faith in the immortality of the soul, and Jewish anthropology is fundamentally materialistic (read my article “Israel as One Man”). It is therefore no surprise that romanticism has been regarded with contempt by most Jewish intellectuals. Moses Hess judged it “decadent,” preferring Jewish novels, since “the Jews alone had the good sense to subordinate sexual to maternal love.”[15]Moses Hess, Rome and Jerusalem: A Study in Jewish Nationalism, 1918 (archive.org), pp. 82, 86. He admits, however, that Jewish writers are perfectly capable of imitating romanticism, like anything else.

The enthusiasm of the Jewish cultural elites for Freud’s theory may be seen in the light of this “clash of cultures”. Kevin MacDonald (A Culture of Critique, ch. 4) explains it by an inherited Jewish culture where love was seen “as an invention of the alien gentile culture and thus morally suspect.”[16]Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: Toward an Evolutionary Theory of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, Praeger, 1998, p. 125. Otto Rank’s idea that Jews had a more primitive, and therefore healthier sexuality (“The Essence of Judaism,” 1905) was widely shared among Freud’s disciples. Which makes John Murray Cuddihy argue, in his very insightful essay The Ordeal of Civility, that Freud’s theory of sublimation resulting from repression came straight from the shtetl Jews’ inner struggle over integration: “In psychoanalysis, the ‘id’ is the functional equivalent of the ‘Yid’ in social intercourse.”[17]John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility: Freud, Marx, Lévi-Strauss, and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity, Delta Book, 1974 (on archive.org), p. 23. Sexual liberation became a new version of the messianic ideal of universal redemption by the Jews, the “light of the nations.” And as we know, in practice, the Jewish way to save the nations is to defile their most sacred values—their gods, and, above all, the Goddess.

From the 1930s, American Jewish authors found in the theories of Freud and his Jewish disciples the justification for assaulting the romantic ideal and challenging the obscenity laws, as Josh Lambert shows in Unclean Lips: Obscenity, Jews, and American Culture (I quote from the free pdf of his doctoral dissertation, of which the book is a rewriting). Ludwig Lewisohn, “the most prominent Jewish writer in interwar America,” is a case in point. He had been analyzed briefly by Freud, and was a close friend of Otto Rank. Like Rank, Lewisohn liked to “portray traditional, unassimilated Jewish sexuality as uniquely healthy.” He also shared Wilhelm Reich’s ideas (The Mass Psychology of Fascism, 1934), that anti-Semitism is a symptom of sexual frustration and can be cured by liberating the Gentiles’ libido (a message echoed in Herbert Marcuse’s Eros and Civilization, 1955 , as well as in Theodor Adorno’s The Authoritarian Personality, 1950). So did Isaac Rosenfeld, who said: “I regard anti-Semitism as a symptom of a serious, underlying psycho-sexual disease of epidemic proportion in our society.” According to Josh Lambert,

“Much of the sexual utopianism and amateur sexology that appeared in the fiction and essays of Norman Mailer, Saul Bellow, Allen Ginsberg, and Isaac Rosenfeld in the 1940s and 1950s elaborated upon Reich’s attempt to cure the sexual ills of all of Western civilization, and, in so doing, to relieve Jews of their role as scapegoats.”

In their endeavor to elevate obscenity to the status of art, Jewish authors received the active support of Jewish lawyers and judges. “Jews participated in these obscenity trials not only as defendants, but also in key juridical roles,” writes Lambert, citing Jewish Supreme Court justices Benjamin Cardozo, Louis Brandeis, Felix Frankfurter, Arthur Goldberg, and Abe Fortas.[18]Joshua Lambert, Unclean Lips: Obscenity and Jews in American Literature, University of Michigan,
2009, pp. viii, 67-68, 166, 20.

In 1969 Philip Roth unleashed his novel, Portnoy’s Complaint, the confession of a sex-obsessed American Jew, who lusted after the shikses as a teenager (“My circumcised little dong is simply shriveled up with veneration. . . . How do they get so gorgeous, so healthy, so blond?”), before securing a blond shiksa for himself, whom he nicknamed The Monkey. “Hating Your Goy and Eating One Too,” is how the narrator describes the experience, making the following confession to his psychiatrist:

“What I’m saying, Doctor, is that I don’t seem to stick my dick up these girls, as much as I stick it up their backgrounds — as though through fucking I will discover America. Conquer American — maybe that’s more like it.”

For Roth/Portnoy, “America is a shiksa nestling under your arm whispering love love love love love!”[19]Philip Roth, Portnoy’s Complaint, Random House, 1969, p. 235, 146, quoted in Lambert, Unclean Lips, op. cit., pp. 190-192. Roth is not the only American-Jewish novelist sharing this vision of American society as the shiksa, in other words, a sexual object to be screwed .[20]Leslie Fiedler, “The Jew in the American Novel,” in The Collected Essays of Leslie Fiedler, vol. 2, Stein and Day, 1971, pp. 76, 83, quoted in John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility, op. cit., p. 62.

And this should not be mistaken as the traditional Jewish resentment against Christianity. It is not “Christian values” that are attacked with extreme violence by hollywoodism, pornography, psychoanalysis, feminism, homosexualism and anti-LGBTQphobia, not forgetting modern art; it is the Western tradition of love, the miracle of our civilization. This cultural assault is the enduring manifestation of Yahweh’s ancient rage against the Queen of Heaven. Blessed are those Jews who turned their back on Jeremiah’s sociopathic god and found comfort in the Goddess instead. We need them more than ever.

Modern art in Place Vendôme, Paris, 2014
Modern art in Place Vendôme, Paris, 2014

Laurent Guyénot, Ph.D., is the author of From Yahweh to Zion: Jealous God, Chosen People, Promised Land … Clash of Civilizations, 2018, and JFK-9/11: 50 years of Deep State, Progressive Press, 2014.

Notes

[1] Stendhal, Love, Penguin Classics, 2000, p. 83.

[2] “Triple exthnics: Nathan Abrams on Jews in the American Porn Industry,” Jewish Quarterly, vol 51, n°4 (2004), pp. 27-31.

[3] According to Hilaire Belloc, “with the opening of the twentieth century those of the great territorial English families in which there was no Jewish blood were the exception” (The Jews, Constable & Co., 1922, archive.org, p. 223).

[4] Heinrich Zimmer, The King and the Corpse: Tales of the Soul’s Conquest of Evil, 1948.

[5] Raphael Patai, The Hebrew Goddess, 3rd ed., Wayne State University Press, 1990, p. 34.

[6] George Foucart, Les Mystères d’Éleusis, Picard, 1914 (on archive.org).

[7] Joseph Campbell, Goddesses, “Chapter 1: Myth and the Feminine Divine”.

[8] Laurent Guyénot, La Mort féerique. Anthropologie du merveilleux, Gallimard, 2011, p. 318.

[9] As usual, I quote the New Jerusalem Bible, but here, I have restored the name of Artemis, whom the translators had replaced by Diana.

[10] Denis de Rougemont, Love in the Western World, Princeton UP, 1983, p. 84.

[11] Denis de Rougemont, Love in the Western World, Princeton UP, 1983, pp. 91, 97.

[12] Philippe Guiberteau, “Dante, Guido Cavalcanti et les Épicuriens de Florence,” Bulletin de l’Association Guillaume Budé, n°3, octobre 1969, pp. 349-368, www.persee.fr/doc/bude_0004-5527_1969_num_1_3_3070

[13] Valli’s research was extended by Alfonso Ricolfi in Studi sui “Fedeli d’amore”, Soc. Anonima Dante Alighieri, 1933-1940. Formerly had appeared an article by Gabriele Rossetti (1832) discussed by Étienne-Jean Délécluze, in “Dante était-il hérétique ?” Revue des Deux Mondes, tome 1, 1834, pp. 370-405, on fr.wikisource.org. Also worth reading in French is Philippe Guiberteau, “Dante entre l’Église et l’hérésie,” Bulletin de l’Association Guillaume Budé, n°21, déc. 1962, pp. 460-489, on www.persee.fr, and Eugène Aroux, Dante, hérétique, révolutionnaire et socialiste, 1854.

[14] Robert Graves, The White Goddess: A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth (1948), Farrar Strauss Giroux, 1966 , pp. 4, 24.

[15] Moses Hess, Rome and Jerusalem: A Study in Jewish Nationalism, 1918 (archive.org), pp. 82, 86.

[16] Kevin MacDonald, The Culture of Critique: Toward an Evolutionary Theory of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, Praeger, 1998, p. 125.

[17] John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility: Freud, Marx, Lévi-Strauss, and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity, Delta Book, 1974 (on archive.org), p. 23.

[18] Joshua Lambert, Unclean Lips: Obscenity and Jews in American Literature, University of Michigan,
2009, pp. viii, 67-68, 166, 20.

[19] Philip Roth, Portnoy’s Complaint, Random House, 1969, p. 235, 146, quoted in Lambert, Unclean Lips, op. cit., pp. 190-192.

[20] Leslie Fiedler, “The Jew in the American Novel,” in The Collected Essays of Leslie Fiedler, vol. 2, Stein and Day, 1971, pp. 76, 83, quoted in John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility, op. cit., p. 62.

 
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  1. Rational says:

    THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE MOST PORNOGRAPHIC BOOK EVER FABRICATED.

    Thanks for the excellent article, Sir. Great work, indeed.

    That is why Dr. Samuel Benjamin Harris said the following:

    “There is no text more barbaric than the Old Testament….–books like Deuteronomy and Leviticus and Exodus*. The Quran pales in comparison.”–Jewish author Dr. Samuel Benjamin Harris.

    *i.e. Torah

    What a gutter people, these Judaists, to sit around this piece of filth and read it in their synagogues on sabbath and even kiss it and prance with it on Simchat Torah. Only a criminal cult like that will flood its own country (US/EU) with 3rd world aliens who rape, like they do.

  2. renfro says:

    It is not “Christian values” that are attacked with extreme violence by hollywoodism, pornography, psychoanalysis, feminism, homosexualism and anti-LGBTQphobia, not forgetting modern art; it is the Western tradition of love, the miracle of our civilization. This cultural assault is the enduring manifestation of Yahweh’s ancient rage against the Queen of Heaven.

    It is both Christian values and the tradition of love that Jews attack in every venue. I think it has something to do with our ruined society and messed up younger people also.

    Consider Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, the US celebrity Rabbi and a freaky looking and sounding midget of a man who says marriage is failing because it is based on Christian love instead of Jewish lust .

    He wrote a book ‘Jewish Lust vr Christian Love.’…naturally his book declared Jewish lust to be superior to Christian love….lol

    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/No-Holds-Barred-Kosher-lust-346358

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  3. A well researched piece. Everything the Jews touch they will destroy. They for the most part have one “God” and it is money. To a Jew everything has a price. They have no noble virtues. Their sole purpose on earth is to accumulate wealth at the expense of peoples where ever they live.

    The women’s movement was started and funded by Jews. Almost all the female leaders were sick Jewish Women like Bella Abzug and her mentally ill friends. The purpose was to destroy the family. Jews are afraid of families especially Christians because they have a value and moral system which is the antithesis of Jewish Philosophy. They believe if they could destroy the family they could destroy white Western Civilization and they appear to have succeeded.

    Most of these women are the opposite of femininity. The are ugly, obnoxious pigs. Many are “butch” lesbians and are pushing to destroy children with their transgender nonsense. They have taken over school boards and have infiltrated the system trying to change education with their sick ideas. Since Jews own the Media and Hollywood this is a 24 hour nonstop agenda. Anyone who doesn’t buy it or believe is homophobic or racist. This is right out of Communist Manifesto playbook on how a very small minority can take over a nation.

    It is noted that this inclusivity and diversity doesn’t seem to apply to them. Ashkenazi Jews have the highest rates of mental illness (30 to 40% above the general population according to their own genetic studies and must practice a form of selective breeding to try and eliminate their other genetic problems which is actually a type of Eugenics). Freud and the rest of Psycho nutbags were just Charlatans to abuse the goy.

    American women are some of the least feminine on the planet. They have been convinced by their Jewish Masters that they can have it all. They are superwomen and if they don’t succeed it’s because of White Males and Western Civilization. American men have been cucked into buying this bullshit because they are hapless wimps. The average American women is an obeasticon with tattoos and mental awareness of chipmunk waiting for their cucked Knight in Shining Armor to pick them up and take them away because the world is too tough for them on any given day. Too bad the Knight couldn’t pick up most these “beauties” with a crane!

    The idea of “Romantic Love” has always been a bit of a pipe dream but at one time in this country it was available for many men and women who wanted to stay together and make things work. Now it’s verse in some long forgotten song or poem thanks to Jews who can only be happy by making the rest of the world miserable.

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  4. Dear M. Guyenot,

    Let me be clear that I respect the scholarship and time you invested in this essay. However, your conclusion is much too simplistic—and I say this as somebody who bears no goodwill whatsoever to Jewish power.

    Consider somebody like Felix Mendelssohn. How does your theses about the corruptive power of Jewish culture upon Christian Europe hold up when one recalls that Mendelssohn was, arguably, single-handedly responsible for the flourishing of musical Romanticism in England and Scandinavia? Without Mendelssohn there would have been no Niels W. Gade, no Franz Berwald, no Arthur Sullivan, no Charles Villiers Stanford; consequently there would have been no Late Romantic geniuses from these regions like Edward Elgar, Carl Nielsen, Jean Sibelius, Rued Langaard, Frederick Delius, Gustav Holst, Frank Bridge, et al. Nor would the great British conductors of that era have existed had Mendelssohn’s oratorios not given them the traning grounds to rise up through (British oratorio societies in the 19th century existed mainly to perform Elias, Paulus, Christus, etc.). The careers of diverse podium lions such as Henry Wood, Hamilton Harty, Thomas Beecham, Adrian Boult, et al would have been vastly different—had they existed at all.

    It is also important to remember that Mendelssohn exercised an incalculable influence upon German musical pedagogy for at least a half century. Aside from inspiring Romantics such as Johannes Brahms, Max Bruch, Karl Goldmark, Joachim Raff, and Felix Draeseke, it is quite possible that Wagner himself would have been a vastly different composer had Mendelssohn not served as a negative catalyst, goading him into developing the unique art he ultimately cultivated. Recall that Wagner’s early work (pre-

    Rienzi

    ) was essentially warmed-over Weber and (surprise!) Mendelssohn.

    At the same time, consider the morbid, decadent, pornographic art cultivated by Gentile artists such as Edgar Allan Poe, Charles Baudelaire, Alexander Scriabin, and Pierre Louÿs. Or the Marquis de Sade, for that matter. Each one of these artists contributed to the eventual downfall of Romanticism (which was practically spent even before the first bullet was shot in World War I).

    Returning to musical Romanticism, I find it interesting to recall that Jewish composers were among the most doggedly conservative in style at the beginning of the 20th century. As a result, they were also the ones that lost the most in the new world of Modernism post-Versailles: Erich Wolfgang Korngold, Alexander von Zemlimsky, Franz Schreker, Maximilian Steinberg, Reinhold Glière, Samuil Goldberg, Leopold Godowsky, Paul Dukas, et al. Meanwhile, most of the extreme musical modernists of the immediate post-Versailles era were Gentiles: Paul Hindemith, Edgard Varèse, Charles Ives, Igor Stravinsky, Henry Cowell, Carl Ruggles, Gavriil Popov, Anton von Webern, Silvestre Revueltas, Dmitri Shostakovich (at least up until 1930), Ernst Krenek, et al.

    Again, with all due respect for your scholarship and spirit of inquiry, it seems to me that you arrived at a pre-determined conclusion before examining the actual evidence itself.

    Respectfully,

    Nicolás Palacios Navarro

  5. Excellent essay. All we need is love…

  6. cranc says:

    Probably the most clarifying essay I have ever read in my life.

  7. gotmituns says:

    The Germans had it right from the beginning. Arian Christianity was/is the only way to practice Christianity. Roman Christianity is a plague set on Europe by the Jews/Paul. Read Alfred Rosenberg’s “Myth of the Twentieth Century.”

  8. It seems that I have failed to “show that … Jews who … sacrifice ritually Gentile girls are behaving much in accordance with the Torah.” That’s because I have inadvertantly cut out the following passage, regarding the Numbers 31 episode (It will fit nicely in my next article):
    Yahweh told Moses to split “the spoils and captives, human and animal”: half for the combatants, half for the others. From the combatants’ half, he was to “set aside one out of every five hundred persons, oxen, donkeys and sheep as Yahweh’s portion.” Yahweh’s portion, including 32 girls, was entrusted to the priest Eleazar. How did Eleazar offer them to Yahweh? The Good Book doesn’t say. We know they were not for the personal consumption of the priestly cast of the Levites, because the Levites’ portion is also mentioned as “one out of every fifty, human and animal,” of the share given to the non-combatants (31:47). So what happened to Yahweh’s portion? Well, we do know that animals were always offered to Yahweh as holocausts, completely carbonized so as to produce the “pleasant smell” that appeased his volcanic temper. And the wording of Numbers 31 makes no distinction between human and animal spoils, but rather insists on putting them in the same bag. So there is no reason to suppose that “Yahweh’s portion” of virgin girls were offered to Yahweh in any other way than Yahweh’s portion of oxen, donkeys and sheep.
    Yahweh would never ask for human holocausts, you say? It is a matter of biblical record that he did, as I will show later. Israelite leaders sometimes sacrificed their own children as burnt offering to Yahweh: Jephthah in Judges 11:29-40, Hiel in 1Kings 16:34, King Azaz in 2Kings 16:3, and King Manasseh in 2Kings 21:6. What’s 32 shikses compared to the sons and daughters of Jewish kings?

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    , @K. W.
  9. Franz says:

    And this should not be mistaken as the traditional Jewish resentment against Christianity. It is not “Christian values” that are attacked with extreme violence by hollywoodism, pornography, psychoanalysis, feminism, homosexualism and anti-LGBTQphobia, not forgetting modern art; it is the Western tradition of love, the miracle of our civilization.

    Splendid essay. Years best!

    It was Robert Graves (hardly alone) who mourned the “long nightmare of Western Civilization” not because it was Western but because of what it gave up. Our original spiritual legacy and its central, non-exempt direction to our lives.

    Mary Magdalene might have been mentioned, but only in support. When the Jewish Canaanite cast-off called Christianity waddled into our lives, the young pagan girls were stiffed by the ghastly presence of Mary “virgin and mother” and put off by the thought.

    For them. the reaffirmation of Isis came in the form of the Magdalene, who came with the price of being a “penitent” for centuries. Only the original Isis was virgin, wife and mother but not at the same time, a distinction Rome forgot. The Magdalene was a stopgap that lasted for twenty centuries but Europe is running out of time.

    Graves, and only he, knew the facts. White Goddess the key, and can lead us out. When the lie of Canaan dies, we can be ourselves again. Graves thought the price was going to be very high — higher, he thought, than what Germany paid in 1945.

    But the truth might beat 5G and all our toys and distractions. Either way it’s coming.

    • Agree: GeeBee
    • Disagree: Malacaay
  10. Toy says:

    It’s funny how an article like this can receive so much praise, and yet people carry on being Christians as if nothing’s wrong.

    I stopped being a Christian precisely because I so carefully read the Old Testament, even going to all manner of Bible study groups across all different denominations, watching hours of YouTube videos on Biblical topics, and even consulting religious and Jewish encyclopedias.

    All this just to make sure I got it right. And I did read it right first time around: the Old Testament is a story about a bunch of filthy, lying, thieving, murdering, extorting, lecherous sub-human Semite goatherders wandering around the Levant looking for gentile nations to enslave and genocide. Sounds familiar.

    And these are god’s chosen people?
    The people from which god’s own son descends.
    The Jesus who was genitally mutilated, taught in synagogues, and celebrated the Passover?
    Lol nah, I’m not worshipping a jew.

    This god makes terrible choices.
    So I found a new God.
    Om.

  11. @Franz

    Mary Magdalene might have been mentioned, but only in support.

    Indeed. I could actually have mentionned it in connection to De Rougemont’s thesis of a connection between courtly love and catharism. Some Cathar writings openly speak of a love relationship between Jesus with Mary Magdalene, the first person to whom the risen Christ appeared according to the Gospels, which is very romantic. This theme goes back to the Gnostics of the first centuries: the heresiologists tell us that they considered Mary Magdalene as the “concubine” of Christ, but perhaps they conceived this relation as platonic. Some Gnostic sects claimed to be guardians of a tradition secretly transmitted by Mary Magdalene, and the theme of her opposition to Peter (the first “Pope”) is widespread in Gnostic literature (Pistis Sophia, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Philip, Gospel of Thomas). This is explained by Elaine Pagels in her remarkable The Gnostic Gospels. Probably to neutralize this heterodoxe magdalenian tradition, Catholicism normalized the cult of Mary Magdalene, whose body was officially discovered in Vézelay in 1279.

    • Replies: @Franz
  12. Seraphim says:
    @gotmituns

    It was precisely the Arian heresy (not ‘Aryan’ of course, as per the ignorant confusion of Arianism and ‘Aryanism’) which ‘judaized’ Christianity. Rosenberg’s ‘Myth’ is an almost unbearable galimatias that even Hitler was scoffing at (“written in a style too difficult to understand”), notwithstanding his own dislike of the Church.

  13. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    your conclusion is much too simplistic

    It is, always, because I try to keep such articles short, by focusing on the point I’m making, and keeping my conclusion short so that everyone can make their own.
    But my last sentence was in itself an invitation for your valuable clarification. Blessed be Felix Mendelsshon (and other Romantic Jews you mentionned), “who turned their back on Jeremiah’s sociopathic god and found comfort in the Goddess instead.”
    Thank you for your well-informed comment. I’ll meditate on it and do some research. But I don’t think it will change fundamentally my general assessment. A distinction could perhaps be made, and has been made often by German Jews themselves, between German Jews of Sepharadic descent, on the way to complete assimilation, and the more recently immigrated Eastern European shtetl Jews.
    Perhaps a whole article on this subject is needed.

  14. The author could have done better had he not intentionally engaged in an anti-Jewish polemic, the result being a profoundly slanted text.

    It is impossible to address all issues he’s raised, so just a few comments….

    Treatment of women is more or less the same in all traditional societies- they are meant for marriage & motherhood or prostitution. Women are goods. Adoration of Goddess in all those societies (Greece, Babylon, India, China, ….) did not reflect on their societal status. Ancient Hebrews were not different in that respect. Although too New-Agey for my taste, Richard Tarnas’ “The Passion of the Western Mind” shows that in most cultures, male principle somehow defeats or subdues female principle (or substitute for it).

    LG addresses two themes: love & females. But, these were sometimes separated. In our Western world, the most famous exposition of Love is Plato’s “Symposion”, where the great daemon Eros influences men so that it all begins with love of boys & ascends up the ladder of Love to the Love of the idea/form of the Good. No girls & women need apply.

    The other cultural strain we can follow is in works of great Athenian tragedians where we, for the first time in human history, are given representation of full-blooded women who are fascinating human beings, brimming with passions & divided heart; they are not equal to men, but their powerful personalities clearly transcend sexual appeal or function.

    This is, I think, crucial difference between West & the rest: women are full human beings- although different from us, men.

    The author has addressed a few other themes which would be impossible to comment upon extensively: his treatment of troubadours & courtly love is mostly correct, although he could have mentioned that the most important “love story” among all, Tristan & Iseult, is a Western reformulation & enrichment of Islamic representation of mad love between Layla and Majnun (there are other, perhaps now dominant opinions that similarity is purely circumstantial). Anyway, courtly love is not about fertility; it is, mostly, a projection of sublimated male sex drive & has almost nothing to do with actual women.

    As for Jews- the author had not mentioned that there is also a strong current in Kabbalah- which was mysticism for masses, not just some dry esoteric circle- where divine principle, Shekhinah, female in nature, is the primary power “operating” in this world. Shekhinah is basically Sophia of ancient Greeks as well as Psykhe Kosmou/Anima Mundi of later Neoplatonism, (Kundalini) Shakti of Shaivism, or divine creative power- which is, traditionally- (although not always) frequently female.

    So, there is not so complete absence of archaic female adoration in classical Judaism. Folksy religiosity survives.

    What is wrong here is, in my opinion, that author conflates Romanticism’s elevation of women with notion of Courtly Love, and those two with ancient fertility cults. These are three separate phenomena.

    Romanticism indeed was something new: there we can see, for the first time in human history, blending of physical/sexual, emotional & spiritual in both sexes.

    Having overlooked not few things & writing clearly with misojudaist tendency, LG has written in many ways erudite & entertaining article- but heavily tendentious.

    • Replies: @sarz
    , @Alden
    , @Skeptikal
  15. Ber says:
    @Toy

    All religions are madness

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  16. gotmituns says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Wagner told Mendelsohn to stop trying to write Germanic music.

  17. It is not “Christian values” that are attacked with extreme violence by hollywoodism, pornography, psychoanalysis, feminism, homosexualism and anti-LGBTQphobia, not forgetting modern art; it is the Western tradition of love, the miracle of our civilization. This cultural assault is the enduring manifestation of Yahweh’s ancient rage against the Queen of Heaven.

    This flies in the face of statements made by the Jews themselves which indicate that, yes, it is Christian values they hold in contempt.

    “The only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks. Catholicism sucks. We don’t believe in authoritarianism.” – Al Goldstein

    You can prattle on about “love” and “goddess worship” like some hippie dyke at Lillith Fair, but the jews have never had a problem with Roman Paganism, not since Julian the Apostate agreed to rebuild the temple to curry favor with the them and spite the Christians. Jewish media constantly promotes paganism through shows like “The Last Kingdom” and “Vikings”, as well as goddess worship through wicca and witchcraft, and feminist revisionism which gives a preference to certain goddesses that they did not attain in their heyday.

    The idea that the veneration of Mary is warmed-over goddess worship is long-discredited Pagan revisionism as well.
    https://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/mary-a-pagan-goddess.php

    Another thing Pagans and Jews have in common is sentimentality. That’s how the Jews manipulated you into thinking “love” and not reason was the bedrock of the west.

    • Replies: @Macon Richardson
  18. @Toy

    The Old Testament has those stories to let you know WHY the Jews were no longer the chosen people by the time of Christ, you retard.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
    , @Toy
    , @anon
  19. Svevlad says:

    When you combine Middle Eastern sexual depravities with a skill in trading and services can’t end well

  20. This is another example,e of an imaginative Post hoc ergo propter hoc
    fallacy.

    Did King Solomon enthrone a queen?

    Instead of these insane rantings, consider a serious view of the Old Testament as TYPOLOGY.

    Lord have Mercy. This would have to have 100 weather balloons attached to it to rise to the level of psychosis.

    https://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/Mary%20The%20Queen%20Mother%20of%20the%20New%20Davidic%20Kingdom.htm

  21. Here is an excellent piece of the Queenship of Mary and int has aught to do with any paganism

    https://www.catholicconvert.com/wp-content/uploads/Documents/AssumptionAndQueen2.pdf

  22. @gotmituns

    Respectfully, the Pharisee, Paul (Saul of Tarsus), is a good guy and should not, in my view, be accused of bringing a plague of Christianity to Europe. An interesting lineage of transmission is:

    Our Heavenly Father; then to

    The amazing Nazarean; then to

    St. Paul (Heaven had to enlist his help since the other Apostles were misinterpreting the Gospel.); then to

    Bishop Marcion of Sinope, who flourished in the 2nd century. (You can read his “Antitheses” (reconstructed) online.)

    Please read Harnack, “The Gospel of the Alien God”, for a good start into this most important issue.
    Then, perhaps, “Gnosticism” by Hans Jonas, for some broader context. Then reflect on The Lord’s Prayer. This effort has the potential to pay substantial dividends.

  23. cranc says:

    A point not emphasised in Guyenot’s article is that Isis/ Venus as well as being the Goddess of Love, was/is considered the Goddess of the Earth. What aspects of Judaic thought have played into our culture’s obsession with defiling the natural world?
    There appear now in liberal publications, a number of articles proclaiming a new phenomenon of ‘ecofascism’ emerging on social media and in the ‘nativist alt right’. Anyone who believes that our technophilic industrial society is heading for the buffers must surely have pondered how humanity’s habit of ‘looking for someone to blame’ might pan out in the medium to long term.

    Tribal supremacism combined with a religiously condoned rape culture is arguably intrinsic to the destructive drive to exploit (and ultimately, destroy) the living planet around us.

  24. Svevlad says:

    There’s a solution to this – going back to the old style is nigh-impossible (it’s very possible, but requires gratuitous violence and mass murder w/ torture), and the jewish style simply isn’t made for the soft-hearted western male.

    So what to do? Go inbetween, and eliminate both, which seems to be the default m.o. of the Balkans – no crybabyish idealizations, and no oversexualisation. As a matter of fact, probably stemming from some primordial belief (these get weird in these parts) beautiful women are considered cursed and draw bad luck, in order to restore the balance of the universe which is threatened by their extreme beauty.

  25. Saggy says: • Website

    The opposite situation needed not be considered: by biblical standards, a Jewish woman having sex with a Gentile would be stoned to death, before giving birth.

    Great article, the OT is now my favorite subject. However, a claim like the above needs a reference.

  26. sarz says:

    The author wanders all over the place but never bumps into Islam. The Troubadours are mentioned but not their Sufi forebears.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  27. sarz says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Do a search for Shekinah at Brother Nathaniel’s website. “Female adoration” in Judaism? Jews bump and grind while davaning, imaging themselves to be humping Shekinah.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  28. GeeBee says:
    @Pierre Papier

    Nice try. But the Jesus figure came straight out of that world – and as a ‘rabbi’ at that – and those OT Jews were praised by their disgusting Yahweh for doing exactly as ‘Toy’ suggests: he adjured them to commit the most horrible acts against the ‘mere’ gentiles, on his say so.

    Now any god (they exist, of course, merely in the collective mind of their adherents) that ‘changes its mind’ so spectacularly as does this Yahweh, when after goading the Jews to exploit and ‘smite’ the gentiles, suddenly wakes up one morning and smites its own forehead, crying “Oy vey! I have made a terrible mistake! I must incarnate myself immediately and let all those goyim know that I loved them all along really” is pushing credulity in itself far beyond the limits of tolerance for anyone with that rather too rare combination of integrity, objectivity and lack of credulity. Of course, we know from experience just how adept are the poor dupes who cling to this nonsense at inventing spurious arguments in its defence.

    At bottom, we ought all to do as ‘Toy’ did, and have the courage and fortitude to let reason win the day.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  29. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @gotmituns

    Again germans despising south Europe ( and the world ) , poor germans .

    No wonder you vote for “women” like Merkel , and for ” men ” like Adolf ( criptorchidia , one testicle , hypospadia , small penis ) , you surely identify with them .

    • Replies: @Ber
  30. Toy says:
    @Pierre Papier

    No, those stories are included to demonstrate (allegedly) why Jesus is the Messiah of these disgusting desert merchants.
    If you paid close attention to these stories you wpukd realize that the same god who sent the jews Jesus is the same deity who takes pleasure in all the aforementioned carnage in this article.

  31. @sarz

    I do not need Br. Nathanael’s “expertise”. I’ve read essential works by Gershom Scholem, Mircea Eliade, Moshe Idel, Raphael Patai, Joe Campbell (Masks of God), Henry Corbin, …

    Generally, re this & similar topics I avoid two camps:

    1. professional antisemites
    2. crackpot Jewish New-Agey feminists

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @sarz
  32. Richard B says:
    @Rational

    Agreed. It’s also why Schopenhauer said that nothing about Judaism can be confused with Reason.

  33. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    How many lifetimes the same story plays out in all around the world? Isis alluded to it in one of your quotes to her. How many different names over all those lifetimes and where will she show up from one lifetime to the next, calendars can no longer predict the dates accurately because they have changed so many times so sometimes people look for other events to foretell the arrival. But who is it?
    As for the treatment of women, well you have to think of the times, there was no cure for disease and they spread easily. Once a woman, mother sacrifices herself for her children there really is no choice because she could be carrying a disease after being raped. The men were told not to go with those other women but they did, so they got rid of the non-virgin women and instead of killing all the men they gave them the virgin girls it keeps them from spreading disease by taking a wife. I’m not saying these are good things just that I understand why people may have done them. Diversity wasn’t anyone’s friend. Keeping your people was important.You could find stories like this in any ancient society.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  34. Richard B says:
    @niteranger

    Don’t sugar coat it Niteranger. Just give it to us straight 🙂

    Seriously though, Great comment. Couldn’t agree more.

    Unfortunately, the opposite of Jewish Supremacy Inc. is Gullible Goys Unlimited.
    That’s one marriage made a little lower than Heaven. Ok, a lot lower.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that happiness in life depends in large measure on avoiding both groups.

    That certainly widdles social-interaction down to a happy few. But at least they’re happy.

  35. @Seraphim

    Wow, only 12 comments before the Christians start tearing themselves apart:

    My sect will save us from the Jews!
    No, YOUR sect is a Jewish plot! MY sect will save us!

    Christianity is the best weapon the Jews ever devised.

  36. You know, for an supposed explanation of why Jews (supposedly) promote “homosexualism” (a new word on me, is it related to Gore Vidal’s ‘homosexualist’?) — because they hate the Goddess — this Goddess stuff sure sounds pretty gay.

    You also forgot to add how Catholic priests are celibate because they’re “married to the Church,” all nice and romantic-like. How’s that working out?

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  37. @Toy

    The article neglects to mention all the human sacrifice that was offered as tribute to these sky goddesses. It’s typical new age “Blame the Christians” revisionism.

    • Replies: @Toy
  38. schrub says:

    Am I the only one here who is continually offended by the author’s continuing use of the terms BCE and CE for dates?

    Weren’t these two new terms specifically promoted by Jews as a way to both assault and obscure the Christian origins of the west’s culture.

    Repeat after me a hundred times: the correct terms to be used for dates in the future are BC and AD.

    The terms BCE and CE are henceforth to be considered nothing more than particularly insidious propaganda terminology and therefore forbidden.

    The first thing we must do to recapture our culture is to recapture our language. We should do this before the entire New Testament is forbidden for being antisemitic.

  39. @James J. O'Meara

    Christianity is the best weapon the Jews ever devised.

    Says the faggot.

  40. @GeeBee

    You need only read Daniel to understand that God had planned for Salvation to extend to the gentiles. And why do you people keep forgetting about all the human sacrifices those poor, misunderstood pagans performed?
    http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teaching/documents/articles/125/125.htm?x=x
    Then there are all those verses which state specifically that Salvation will be given to the gentiles because the Jews abused the privilege.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  41. @James J. O'Meara

    You also forgot to add how Catholic priests are celibate because they’re “married to the Church,” all nice and romantic-like. How’s that working out?

    Pretty good until fags like you started infiltrating the seminaries.

  42. anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @schrub

    No you are not the only one I think it is a disgrace.

  43. anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘although he could have mentioned that the most important “love story” among all, Tristan & Iseult, is a Western reformulation & enrichment of Islamic representation of mad love between Layla and Majnun (there are other, perhaps now dominant opinions that similarity is purely circumstantial). Anyway, courtly love is not about fertility; it is, mostly, a projection of sublimated male sex drive & has almost nothing to do with actual women.’

    Its a retelling of an old Irish love story. It has nothing to do with Islamic ‘love poetry’ which were little more than dehumanising peans to their sex slaves no matter how much resentful quasi-‘assimilated’ Jews try to pretend they made savages more noble.

  44. anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Try Michael Hoffman’s Judaism’s strange gods.

  45. Yahweh originally was one of the 70 sons of El or El Elyon and his wife, the lovely and gracious Asherah. He was given the Hebrews as his people. Early Hebrews were polytheistic, though Yahweh eventually merged with his father El and became the national god of the Hebrews. At that point, the Hebrews were henotheistic. No one denied the existence of other deities, but Hebrews were not supposed to worship them. The Hebrews only became officially monotheistic in the post-exilic era, though belief in and the worship of other deities continued.

    Christianity originated as an end-of-the-world cult. John the Baptist, Jesus and Paul (at least at first) believed that the end of the world was near. Jesus was a Jew and message was for his fellow Jews and the lost sheep of the house of Israel only.

    Christianity should properly be called Paulianity – for an unknown reason, Paul created a religion that appealed to polytheists. Jesus’ religion can be found in the Book of James, the Didache and among the Ebionites.

    Mary is Christianity’s Goddess. She is the merger of all of the mighty goddesses of the ancient world – Isis, Hera, Demeter, etc. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that no religion devoid of the female principle produced great religious art.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  46. Alden says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    So medieval renaissance and early modern Europe with its millions of Catholic nuns who were neither wives and mothers nor prostitutes was not a traditional society?

  47. @Pierre Papier

    My now-deceased WWII vet Catholic father once told me that, as a boy, his two parish priests would don their “go to hell” garb and travel to Atlantic City to whoop it up. Didn’t ask for details.

  48. Alden says:
    @schrub

    I too find BCE and CE offensive. Common era is a ridiculous term. And it’s just another jewish attack on western civilization and the European people.

  49. @sarz

    To make it short: I believe that whatever is considered “Islamic influence” on the Western love tradition is, in reality, Persian, and therefore Indo-European rather than Semitic (and I think Sufi scholars like Henri Corbin would agree). It might have travelled with Arabs merchants or conquerors, but owe nothing to Arabian culture, which views women and cattle alike as transportable merchandize, objects of razzia and commerce, and never had any acquaintance with the Goddess.

  50. @Pierre Papier

    Peter Damian diagnosed “sodomy” as the chief sin of the clergy in the 9th century. How’s that fit your post-war faggot conspiracy, eh Mandrake?

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  51. @anon

    You could find stories like this in any ancient society.

    No other ancient society bragged about them and included them in their Holy Book, or claimed that the order came directly from the God of the Universe. That’s the point. Even the Assyrians, whose god Assur was no angel, do not have such episode proudly recorded in their chronicles, and even the Bible admits that they deported rather than exterminated their captives. More in my next article.

    • Replies: @anon
  52. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    This is New Age revisionism with no archaeological support.

  53. Durruti says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Everytime I read your essays, I learn.

    Love is the key.

    I love my family, wife, children, grandchildren, some of my neighbors, all my Comrades, and my Country.

    I wear the Cross as a message, commitment, identity, and proof of my Liberty.

    Durruti

  54. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Très interesant , Guyènot , merci .

    Could you say something about the Holy Mary in Orthodoxy ? , about the Teothokos : the Mother of God ?

    I understand that orthodoxs are close to catholics , practically the same , but closer physically to the middle east sources of Christianity . Greek and roman mythology is similar .

    Surprisingly orthodoxy is alive after comunism , while catholicism in the democratic west is dying , how can this be ?

    Protestants are not christians , they are heretics , they adore Mammon .

  55. Durruti says:
    @schrub

    schrub

    The first thing we must do to recapture our culture is to recapture our language. We should do this before the entire New Testament is forbidden for being antisemitic.

    As a History Professor, I agree with your corrective comment. I continue to use BC, AD.

    However, you should take some of your own medicine. You misuse the term “antisemitic.” Repeat after Me: I am not an anti-Semite. I like Arabs.

    The overwhelming majority of Jews are not Semites (Semites are Peoples from the Middle East).

    George Orwell also made your point in his famous Novel, 1984.

    The term -anti-Semitism- the Jewish claim to being Semites- is utilized as a cynical misdirection by the Zionist Mainstream Media, from Hollywood to the Education establishment, in order to imply that Jews, as Semites, have a right to seize Palestine (apparently, regardless of the wishes of its indigenous inhabitants).

    Please comment on whether or not you agree with my correction.

    God Bless!

  56. AaronB says:

    Its true that Northern European barbarians suffer from too much masculinity, and the modern secular world – the creation of northern Europeans – is too masculine and needs to embrace the feminine principle more.

    Laurent has the right instincts on this.

    Of course, in typical stupid Germanic fashion, he wishes to swing to the opposite extreme, rather than achieve integrated wholeness. Don’t get your spirituality from a Germanic, lol, as Nietzsche said somewhere or other.

    Judaism provides an excellent template for integrating the feminine and masculine in a healthy fashion. Women are highly respected and have an important place in society, but Jews don’t worship Goddesses, Heaven forbid.

    God in Judaism is completely beyond gender and beyond sex or corporeality – a Being so vast, majestic, and awesome, that our physical categories cannot come close to containing him, and the puny categories of our mind cannot come close to conceiving him. Although he has both masculine and feminine aspects, he transcends both.

    Only such a God is worth worshipping – I confess I never understood those who want to worship pagan style gods, who are merely superior humans. Only a God who is a Mystery seems worthy of our worship. Worshipping pagan Gods is merely slavishness.

    The great contribution of Judaism is to introduce humanity to the true conception of God as an unimaginably awesome and vast and mysterious Being – a conception so radically above the conception of pagan gods as to scarcely belong in the same class of ideas.

    Such an awesome God can only be one – the very conception requires it.

    What is interesting is that many northern Europeans today positively wish to revert to a puny conception of God – their minds can no longer rise to the height of the true conception of God. There has been a massive collapse of dimension. Another such case is Bruce Charlton, who frankly claims Christianity is polytheistic, and God just a superior man.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  57. @James J. O'Meara

    How does that explain away how abuse rates coincide with an increase in faggots in the seminaries in the 1920’s to 1960’s. We all know how much you and your faggot buddy Grindr Greg like grooming children.

  58. AaronB says:

    Incidentally, this essay gives a little hint of the mystery of why Jews survived and flourished for so many thousands of years while pagan culture after pagan culture vanished.

    The Jewish conception of the Divine is so much more majestic, glorious, and awe inspiring than anything conceived of by the pagan imagination.

    A people who worship the Divine conceived in such a manner – as the very foundation of Reality itself – will endure, because it binds itself to Reality rather than just a fragment of it, as represented by any given pagan deity.

    Christianity, with its implicit polytheism and saint worship, while definitely a step in the right direction towards Judaism and away from paganism, was ultimately too pagan to survive – it lost sight of the true God who alone is worthy of worship, and its descent into modern materialism – idol worship – was perhaps inevitable.

    • Replies: @PPB
    , @Sic Semper
    , @Vinteuil
    , @Alden
  59. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    The Old Testament holds more lessons than the others. Some try to be truthful even in their treachery and learn something while others try to hide their inner feelings of pride and joy over mass brutality. Some refuse to own it even to this day. Yes those are horrors, but just because you haven’t found the text of some Roman or Aztec joy over killing and raping doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. But too, are you so sure that back then they were gloating and not full of sorrow but only today in this time that people revel in the atrocities of the past , because without them they wouldn’t be so fortunate today? Was the time of the writing the present or the past it may make a difference in how it is interpreted. But then mine is an unqualified opinion.
    How’s the worldwide prosperity working?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  60. TGD says:

    Lust (love) is a trick of the hypothalamus to effect reproduction. Romanticism is puerile silliness- a product of “arrested development.”

    Love is the most overused word in the English language. It has so many meanings, it is essentially meaningless.

    Here is the definition of romantic love as formulated by a conference of sociologists in 1977 as quoted by Bill Bryson in his book, “The Mother Tongue (1990):”

    “The cognitive-affective state characterized by intrusive and obsessive fantasizing concerning reciprocity of amorant feelings by the object of the amorance.”

    Get that?

    I love my dog.

  61. Al Liguori says: • Website

    The Blessed Virgin Mary is NOT a “goddess.” We honor her, but do not worship her. We worship only God.

    Mimicking the talmudic hatred of the Mother of God (see Jesus in the Talmud http://judaism.is/jesus-in-the-talmud.html ), the most Biblically ignorant and vicious of Protestants insist that Catholics “worship” the Blessed Virgin Mary. We do not worship her, we honor her exactly as the Bible honors Mary in Luke 1:26-55, the source of her titles, our “Hail Mary,” and Magnificat: http://judaism.is/hating-mary.html

  62. Mother Goddess gets raped by the Desert God… wasn’t it inevitable after the Goy surrendered his bank to the Jew?

  63. @Laurent Guyénot

    Don’t you mean to say, pre-islamic, indo-iranians, Laurent?

  64. I favor a non-deistic transcendentalism that I’ve chosen to label the “Six-S Way”

    The Six-S Way is not a religion. It does not recognize an individuated, self-conscious and willful deity or deities. Like Taoism and Zen Buddhism, the Six-S Way is atheistic but not secular materialist in nature. It is a way of living that is motivated by a conviction that sentient life transcends individuated material existence and that this belief can be experienced during one’s material existence.
    The Six-S are as follows:

    1. Study
    2. Simplicity
    3. Silence
    4. Solitude
    5. Spontaneity
    6. Simultaneity

    Each is a continuing process from the moment it becomes a conscious process. The core beliefs that emerge from the practice are as follows:

    Human beings are in fact simultaneously manifested materialized energy packets and discrete aggregated wave entities interconnected with IS, the all-encompassing energy that is the sole reality of the cosmos/universe.

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    1. These aggregated wave entities (quantum packets) disaggregate during the process of dying and death until the matter (the corpse) remains inanimate and begins to decompose. The essence of the human being (the wave aggregate) eventually returns to the “ocean” of IS as disaggregated waves that eventually re-aggregate unless they are consciously and constantly directed to remain in a state of constant and total connection with IS.

    2. The process of “enlightenment” can be likened to all the bits of binary, polarized energy (“on-off”) becoming illuminated simultaneously and remaining in a steady state in the underlying ground of IS as opposed to returning to wave status and re-aggregating.

    3. The human consciousness can be trained to effect the process of enlightenment for brief intervals during existence in the materialized aggregate that is the human being and can concentrate and maintain intact its non-reflective dualistic (I-other) essence while simultaneously becoming co-terminus with IS, the steady state that is simultaneously Being and Existence in a state beyond special and temporal experience once the process of dying/death of the material aggregate has run its course..

    4. Through an understanding, internalization and practice of the above principles on a repeated basis, the individual can be freed from the endless round of re-existent experience and abide in IS as a fully aware but non-reflective, non-individuated consciousness.

    5. By placing this intention above all others during existence on the material plane, through diligent practice once understanding and internalization is complete, the individual can and will experience a foreshadowing of the simultaneity that is the incomparable bliss beyond understanding, the “Beatific Vision” of the monotheistic religions that posit an individuated state of “adoration” of a “Creator” that they fail to realize is none other than the IS of which they are simultaneously part and whole during material existence but is in actuality a steady state incomprehensible to the cognitive mind but entirely consistent with the True Nature of Being/Existence as non-dualistic.

    6. There exists a means of directing and focusing the energy aggregate that is individuated as a materialized human entity so that the energy “filaments” that form the aggregate can be slowly but surely concentrated into a constant state of conscious “illumination” and cease to be “switched on and off” in the binary phase state of flux that creates the cognitive illusion of duality and discrimination between the individuated energy packet (the human being) and the phenomena it observes and perceives as separate from itself, whereas in reality there exists a simultaneity between phenomena as waves in the unified field that manifests from the underlying ground of IS, beyond which nothing has an actual essence or existence.

    7. The inability to comprehend, internalize and execute the consciousness transformation process described above invariably leads to a re-aggregation of awareness waves into individuated energy packets (quanta) that bring about an intermediate non-material state of awareness leading to a rebirth in an individuated state of being/existence that must once again find its way back to spontaneity.

    8. Absence of intention to comprehend, internalize and practice the awakening and direction of concentrated consciousness will inevitably lead to re-aggregation as a discrete entity subject to the suffering that being/existence in dualistic consciousness invariably generates.

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  65. “Christianity originated as an end-of-the-world cult.”

    There are several arguments going on here at once.

    But none are actually direct links to either a jewishish scriptural tradition or Christian tradition of romance.

    The story one might point to for this is that of Jacob, who labored some fourteen years for his love. The western tradition of romance, much to the feminist chagrin is really one of sacrificial love. That the man risks or give of himself to win her favors. In my view Jacob’s story is the most profound example of just that.

    The other and more impactful is embedded in the christian tradition: Christ giving himself up for his bride. But that is metaphor for a spiritual relationship. But all throughout scripture the metaphor of grooms love for bride is constant and consistent.

    So one might challenge that western romance is unique to western thought.

    ————————————————-

    “Christianity originated as an end-of-the-world cult.”

    Nonsense. You might want to actually read the NT before making such claims. Hyperfocusing on “endtimes” theories as though they represent the purpose of faith is a mistake.

  66. Talha says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Sigh…the most prominent deities among the pagan Arabs were the three female goddesses. There was even a cult of Christians in Arabia that used to worship Mary as a goddess.

    Furthermore, you really need to acquaint yourself with pre-Islamic poetry like that of Imr ul-Qays and Labid, etc. and love stories like Antar and Abla before making off the cuff remarks like this.

    Your point about Persian influence on Sufism is duly noted – and I agree there.

    Peace.

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  67. Mulegino1 says:

    Incidentally, this essay gives a little hint of the mystery of why Jews survived and flourished for so many thousands of years while pagan culture after pagan culture vanished.

    The Jews survived and flourished because their nature, as a collective, has historically been one of parasitism and piggy backing off of their host cultures. The latter followed the laws of organic development which apply to all great cultures and civilizations: birth, youth, flourishing, decline and death. On the other hand, the Jewish counter-culture thrives at the periphery and in the underground of its host cultures until their death and decline. The Jews have no great culture to speak of. There is no Jewish architecture, no Jewish sculpture, painting or music worth speaking of. Sure, individual Jews have made contributions to the arts- but not as Jews per se, i.e., only via appropriation from their cultural hosts.

    God in Judaism is completely beyond gender and beyond sex or corporeality – a Being so vast, majestic, and awesome, that our physical categories cannot come close to containing him, and the puny categories of our mind cannot come close to conceiving him. Although he has both masculine and feminine aspects, he transcends both.

    You are conflating intimations of God from the Old Testament’s prophetic and sapiential literature with that of Talmudism’s “Ha shem”- a totally inferior being. Judaism is merely a rejectionist cult which actually post-dates both the Christian Church and the New Testament by centuries. Given the subterranean nature of Rabbinism or Talmudism and its concept of a god (certainly not the transcendent God of Christianity) who can be outwitted by a rabbinical consensus it is no wonder why the Rabbis excluded the Book of Wisdom from the Old Testament canon. One will find nothing as sublime as “In the beginning was the Word (Logos), and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God” in the Talmud.

  68. For some reason, over the years the tastes have gotten both finer and coarser.

    We have people who now only consume ‘artisanal’ beer, fancy coffee, haute chocolate, high-priced sushi, and organic foods at specialty stores. But our culture is also about tattoos, green hair, piercing, ‘pussy marches’, twerking, and homo-tranny exhibitionism.

    It’s the Age of (Lena)Dunham and Sushi.

    But then, maybe this makes sense. When elites have too much wealth, privilege, and freedom, they don’t want to be restrained by anything. They want to indulge all they want, and this means they are attracted to Low Culture for its shameless licentiousness. So, we have Ivy League and Oxford educated elites whose preferred music is reggae that is about pot and taking it easy. And once the elites adopt such ‘anything goes’ sensibility, it spreads far and wide as a norm and even ideal.

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  69. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    You should consider the arab influence in Al-Andalus ( present Spain and Portugal ) , during arab occupation (invasion 711 – last zone liberated Granada in 1492 ) , influence coming from Siria , Irak , Iran , Lebanon, Egypt , certainly areas much more advanced than than desertic Arabia , and which maintained some greek culture .The inmense majority of the Iberian peninsula was peopled by hispanoromans plus tribes of invaders fron the north like the Visigohts . Al-Andalus was very advanced and traded with the islamic world and with the Byzantine Empire . You can see the arab influence in architecture , agriculture , philosophy , science … Many books from clasical greek authors , and from arab and jewish authors were tranlated in Spain to latin , and re -sent to Europe . Europe was quite backwarded till the xi century .

    https://cvc.cervantes.es/ensenanza/biblioteca_ele/aepe/pdf/revista_38-39_21-22_91/revista_38-39_21-22_91_05.pdf

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  70. Skeptikal says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    “between German Jews of Sepharadic descent, on the way to complete assimilation, and the more recently immigrated Eastern European shtetl Jews.
    Perhaps a whole article on this subject is needed.”

    I would welcome such an article.

  71. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    The Nose must be laughing its ass off reading stuff like this.

    What you call “materialism” is just biological reality, as promoted elsewhere here by Steve Sailer and others. The purpose of women is reproduction, full stop.

    All this “idealization” and “romanticism” was made up by Plato and other queers to explain their, ah, disinterest in females. Imagine mooning over some 12 year old girl you saw two or three times and never even spoke to; what a fag!

    Greece, Rome, “Renaissance” Italy, all DEAD, while the Jew continues to thrive and expand.

    Oh, but you’ve got some pretty pictures and statues! Enjoy it while it lasts, goy.

  72. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    I’m curious as to how you reconcile this grand conception of God with what is presumably the same God’s petty and brutal vindictiveness as illustrated so frequently in the Hebrew Bible– to my mind an almost schizophrenia-inducing disparity, at least in the case of any individual or culture that tries to internalize both those poles. The One and Only transcendent, all-encompassing and unfathomable Divinity acting like one among a slew of rivals, obsessed with protecting and expanding his own turf? I’m not trying to deny the genius of the original Judaic vision in its own right, but I’m also wondering how much of that original impulse still survives among the broader Jewish population today– not merely as an article of loosely-held faith, but as a living reality. Not that sizeable strains within other cultures and religious traditions haven’t experienced a similar trajectory into either insipidness or outright degradation.

  73. What better way to destroy a superior society built upon romantic love, ideals and trust than to subvert every aspect held dearly. Turn women into loose whores while convincing them that the men who would have held them holy, worshiped them and died a thousand times for them “oppressed” them. Turning four generations now of women into hateful banshees convinced that their father, brothers and would be husbands and sons enslaved them. Ahh cursing that Betty Friedan should be the morning prayer of every modern European man and especially divorced husband.

    The jewification of our society has rendered the ideal vulgar, the pure base, paradise into hell.

    The Old Testament one day will provide the historical evidence at the final trial and execution of jews across the globe. It is a despicable document in itself chronicling five Millenia of genocide, war crime, rape, incest and murder that is called “holy.”

    Only men who have dealt with jews at length can understand the horrific nature and their all encompassing need to do harm to their neighbors can appreciate these articles for their truth and illumination.

    Those brainwashed by talmudic media really do not understand that kidnapping, raping, beating and ultimately murdering hundreds of thousands of young shiksa girls – especially blonde ones, is a widely practiced custom everywhere of a jewish enclave to this day. In NY’s especially jewish areas it is know that these gentile victims occasionally escape the demon’s layer where they are kept – they are seen running in the streets of Brighton Beach begging bystanders (jewish ones) for help – they are of course ignored, the secular police no where to be found – soon after several large kosher looking men appear and drag the young girl back to her captor. No one says anything and the girl is never seen again.

    These things happen in the open right now in America’s largest city. But hey the phantom “white” nationalists are occupying the imaginations of “America’s” law enforcers.

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  74. @AaronB

    Cancer survives in such ways, long after its victims have perished, cancer continues on. The basest and lowest that prey upon other organisms tend to survive as their hosts succumb as long as new hosts can be infected.

  75. Pornography, a specialization of prostitution, is almost a Jewish monopoly.

    That per se isn’t the problem. Rather, it’s that pornography in the West is about Jews using white women as sex meat for the Negroes. Imagine if porn in Israel were controlled by Arabs and used mostly Jewish women as sex meat for Arab men. Jews would be in an uproar.
    Also, problem of interracism isn’t just about sex entertainment. It’s in mainstream culture. Recently, Julie Roberts was in a movie where she was married to a Negro. Natalie Portman was doing it with a Negro in Annihiliation. And Laura Dern was in bed with a Negro in some indie movie. And there was UNITED KINGDOM that says Britain as female must now merge with Africa as male. And there is MOUNTING BETWEEN US where Kate Winslet climbs a mountain to do it with a Negro. It’s like BrokeBlack Mountain. And Obama was the product of Afro-Colonization of White Wombs, and 80% of Germans love him, and they push ACOWW all around EU.

    Anyway, Jewish control of pornography wouldn’t matter so much if Jews exploited fellow Jews. Pornography is big in Japan, but it’s Japanese exploiting Japanese, so it at least lacks the tribal element in degradation. Japanese just shi* on themselves.

    We’ve heard that line before: Jewish Bolsheviks were not Jews either, because they didn’t behave Jewishly. In this article, I will try to show that, just like Jewish Bolsheviks, Jews who abduct, enslave, sell, torture, or even sacrifice ritually Gentile girls are behaving much in accordance with the Torah. I insist: with the Torah, not just with the Talmud.

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    But this has to be seen in context of the times. In the Iliad, wars are genocidal and winner takes all. Trojan women are to be raped, killed, or taken as slaves. Romans enslaved the vanquished and carried out horrific gladiatorial fights with 1000s of animals. Before them, Assyrians could be cruel as hell. Spartans enslaved and exploited fellow Greeks. Were the Jews worse? In some ways, yes, in some ways, no. I will grant it’s wrong to take some parts of the Torah and pretend Jews were noble moralists all through the ages, but it’s also wrong to take some other parts of the Torah and say Jews were only about exploitation. There was a lot of contradiction within Judaism, and one strain led to the rise of Christianity. Perhaps, if Christianity hadn’t emerged, Judaism would have become more open and conciliatory. But because Christianity emerged as a universalized version of Jewish theology, Judaism henceforth developed in opposition to Christianity universalism, thereby becoming even more tribal.

    Anyway, when we consider the behavior of the Mongols, Vikings, Huns, Turks, and the rest of them, it’s obvious brutality and exploitation were always part of human behavior among all races. Why would it have been any different with Jews?

    The problem is not that Jews were worse than other groups. The problem is Jews now act like they were BETTER than other groups. Such conceit is dangerous especially because Jews are the most powerful people in the world in our times. So, our point shouldn’t be that Jews have been worse but they’ve hardly been better.

    Now, there were elements in Jewish Thought(that via Christianity and Islam) spread a deeper understanding of spirituality and morality, not least because (1) Jews believed in One God of Total Truth and Justice whereas pagans believed in fickle gods of vanity and self-interest; Jewish monotheism could induce arrogance, intolerance, and totalitarian mindset, but it could foster moral reflection and prophetic seeking of truth AND (2) Judaism created a shared identity where all Jews, top to bottom, were part of the same Tribe and equally loved by God.

    In contrast, among the pagans, class or caste often overrode identity, and this meant that the elites were more likely to betray their own kind for class interests. We see this today among white cuck elites who will readily and gladly betray their own racial brethren to either maintain their privilege or to vape on instant-virtue as ‘good whites’. In contrast, Jews mainly identity with all members of the Tribe. In some ways, white people never developed an identity like that of Jews. White people were often tribal, but their tribal identity wasn’t spiritualized like the Jewish identity via the Covenant or Hindu identity via Dharma. Thus, white tribal identity was weaker and more fluid, at the whims of political shifts and fortunes. There was the spread of Christianity, but as a universal religion, it could never offer any group a solid identity unique to it.

    This is why Hindus and Jews with their stronger/deeper identities are gaining over whites with weak and fluid identities. There was ‘racism’ among whites, but it’s been vilified to the extent of being the worst sin in the world. Also, whereas Jewish identity and Hindu identity have spiritual as well as tribal roots and therefore have an element of warmth, white ‘racism’ was based on ‘scientific’ reasoning that felt both cold and cold-blooded. Science wins in labs and technology, but it can’t be the basis of rationalizing identity. Identity must be founded on a sense of myth, spirituality, deep history.

    As for Jewish Bolsheviks, it’s fair to say many of them were sincere communists committed to creating a new kind of world. While vestiges of Jewishness remained among them, they were true radicals hellbent on creating a Marxist order. Subconscious impulses notwithstanding, I don’t doubt that many, even most, Russian Communist Jews truly devoted themselves to the ideology. Sure, there was the added benefit that Bolshevism was against Christianity and the Old Order and rather protective of Jews, but Jewish Bolsheviks, at least in the first stages of communism, were communists first and Jews second. Now, this can’t be said for Neocons who were clearly Jewish-centrists first and whatever else second.

  76. @Sic Semper

    What better way to destroy a superior society built upon romantic love, ideals and trust than to subvert every aspect held dearly.

    Canterbury Tales have lots of unromantic interludes.

    Also, the problem isn’t romance vs anti-romance. After all, even interracism can be romanticized. The recent movie UNITED KINGDOM is in romantic mode, a beauty and beast story of a privileged white woman who finds Mr. Right in some princely Negroid. It’s still path to racial suicide.

  77. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    Well, Jewish tradition has always interpreted the Bible as having many levels of meaning. In fact, the Talmud says that anyone who studies the Torah for its literal meaning alone is worse than an irreligious person.

    Every Jewish bible today comes with extensive commentary by classic authors – you will see a few biblical verses, surrounded by reams of commentary. The Torah is never studied on its own.

    In fact, on its own the Bible is full of not only contradictions, but strange interpolations – like the random listing of the kings of Edom in Genesis – as well as things that cannot be understood on its own.

    For instance, the Song of Songs, which on the surface seems to be sublime erotic love poetry, was never interpreted by Jews as anything other than a mystical text describing man’s union with God.

    In the Psalms, the meek and humble man is repeatedly praised, and the man of violence and warlike stratagem repeatedly denounced, while at the same time, God is described as a man of war who teaches the Psalmists hands to war, etc.

    These are only “problems” to the modern mentality, which sees only the literal meaning of texts – what Jews might call Level 1, the literal surface meaning.

    Western civilizations today seems unfortunately to be stuck on a Level 1 level of analysis. This is useful for engineering, but not when it comes to plumbing the depths of man’s soul or understanding the religious masterpieces of mankind’s past.

    There is a very real danger, that with our Level 1 engineering mindset, we are literally losing our ability not only to understand spiritual classics, but communicate spiritual ideas – which cannot be done literally, but only by symbols and analogy, as spirituality does not deal with perceptible objects.

    Watching Guyenot apply a Level 1 analysis to spiritual classics that deal with non perceptible realms would be funny if it didn’t reflect a very real tragedy for Western man. The grotesque caricatures he produces reflects the loss of dimension.

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  78. Hossein says:
    @Rational

    But most of the dumb stupid Goys follow it and happily offer their taxes and national treaures to the chosen ones who use it to butcher Arab children.

    In all honesty the old testament is not the real problem but the dumb Goys are,

  79. PPB says:

    Another way of looking at our current episode of cultural degradation would be to see it as a recurring phase in an eternal cycle, in which destruction inevitably follows creation, no matter who, or which group, is viewed as the primary perpetrator(s) of that destruction– if an instrument is needed, an instrument will be found. M. Guyenot’s title for this essay, The Crucifixion of the Goddess, is illustrative in this regard, for it epitomizes the fragmentation of celestial archetypes in the domain of human affairs– the same archetypes which serve as the integrative “glue” of human culture and society, and absent the dominant influence of which the “center will no longer hold”. So it looks like we’re in for a continued fun ride … although it is said in the Indian literature pertaining to the Kali Yuga that the present era provides us with certain oppurtunities that are lacking in less centrifugally-dominated times. So in that vein, Carpe Diem, y’all.

  80. Mulegino1 says:
    @Al Liguori

    There is a lack of understanding of the development (not progress) of Christian doctrine, liturgy, and the appropriation of pagan symbols and art which, once “baptized” were able to be incorporated into Christendom, which, as Cardinal Newman points out, in its age of chronic vigor had the power of assimilation.

    The idea that the appropriation of this pagan symbolism and art is somehow contrary to “Biblical” Christianity is nonsensical, since the authors of the Old Testament also incorporated myths of symbols of non-Hebrew or Israelite origin, e.g., circumcision from Egypt and apocalyptic themes from Persia.

    The early Church fathers (even the rigorous St. Augustine) realized that not all of the pre-Christian pagan world was evil or demonic, and spoke about the “Proto-evangelion” which foreshadowed – in many of its symbols and myths- the definitive revelation of the Divine Logos in Christ, and His life, death and resurrection.

  81. @schrub

    This complaint comes up, copied and pasted, under each of my articles. It is simply ridiculous. I am just following an academic standard. I wouldn’t mind using BC at all, but using AD (Anno Domini) sounds like a confession of faith (and a Roman Catholic one), and I don’t want to pretend to be a Christian. If that is what “offends” you, mark my name in your black list and skip my articles.

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  82. anon[226] • Disclaimer says:

    This article is just a pseudo-scholarship exercise to promote anti-semitic garbage.

  83. wayfarer says:

    In an observable universe, with a diameter of 90 billion light years and containing at least 2 trillion galaxies – humanity’s “God” is more than likely just some competing and/or cooperating local entities of ancient extraterrestrial origin.

    IMHO.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe

  84. @Anon

    I acknowledge that the debate on Arab influences is still open (and my earlier was reductive). But the point is that every cultural contribution of Islam (except for the Koran, hadiths, etc) have been made by Persians, Turks, Berbers, Egyptians, Syrians, etc, not Arabs. “Arabs” and “Islamic” are not synonymous!

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @anon
  85. @PPB

    The God of the OT, circa 1000 BC, was different than the God of Jesus’ day. The petty, brutal and vindictive deity of early Judaism gradually evolved into a deity that was all-good. With this, Satan, who originated as God’s prosecuting attorney was blamed for evil.

    A similar situation occurred with the Gods and Goddess of Mount Olympus, at least among the philosophers – they were all perfect and wise, responsible for good but not evil.

  86. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    “Well, Jewish tradition has always interpreted the Bible as having many levels of meaning. In fact, the Talmud says that anyone who studies the Torah for its literal meaning alone is worse than an irreligious person”

    OK, all good and well. But in that case, why are these subtler truths couched in such crude and barbaric metaphors? Is there some kind of logical necessity and lack of sufficient alternatives at play here? And if so, what does that say about the adequacy of human (or even Divine) modes of communication in general? I’m not trying to single out Judaism here, as the same issue applies to Christianity and Islam, and perhaps other religions traditions to a greater or lesser degree as well.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  87. @Priss Factor

    Perhaps, if Christianity hadn’t emerged, Judaism would have become more open and conciliatory. But because Christianity emerged as a universalized version of Jewish theology, Judaism henceforth developed in opposition to Christianity universalism, thereby becoming even more tribal.

    Quite true, I guess.

    Jewish Bolsheviks, at least in the first stages of communism, were communists first and Jews second.

    May I suggest “communists consciously, and Jews subconsciously”, or, perhaps: “communists by choice, and Jews by an irresistible transgenerational determinism.” Understanding such duality is understanding Jewishness. Freud made an enlightning statement in a speech to the B’nai Brith in 1926, 30 years after joining, which, I believe, could be transposed to many sincere communists:
    “Whenever I have experienced feelings of national exaltation, I have tried to suppress them as disastrous and unfair, frightened by the warning example of those nations among which we Jews live. But there remained enough to make the attraction of Judaism and the Jews irresistible, many dark emotional powers all the stronger the less they could be expressed in words, as well as the clear consciousness of an inner identity, the familiarity of the same psychological structure. … So I became one of you.”

    • Replies: @AaronB
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  88. @anon

    Ridiculous statement. Greeks are still alive otherwise I would not be typing right now.

  89. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    I also want to add that I find the Old Testament God awe inspiring and that one of the reasons I returned to Judaism was that I found the grandeur in the Old Testament unmatched anywhere else.

    The language is like a force of nature, a craggy mountain range, something primordial, carved out of “chaos and Old Night” – it is easy to believe these words were divinely inspired.

    The New Testament and the Koran seems the work of mere humans in contrast, although this is not to disparage the spirituality of Christianity or Islam, which can reach a high level.

    • Replies: @PPB
    , @SeekerofthePresence
  90. Vinteuil says:
    @AaronB

    The Jewish conception of the Divine is so much more majestic, glorious, and awe inspiring than anything conceived of by the pagan imagination.

    Plato’s Form of the Good? Aristotle’s Unmoved Mover? Cleanthes’ Zeus?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Talha
  91. Vinteuil says:
    @AaronB

    …Jewish tradition has always interpreted the Bible as having many levels of meaning…

    I.e., Jewish tradition is dominated by legalistic bullshitters who are the eternal enemies of simplicity & clarity in reasoning & expression.

    In fact, the Talmud says that anyone who studies the Torah for its literal meaning alone is worse than an irreligious person.

    I.e., such a person threatens the position of legalistic bullshitters.

  92. gotmituns says:
    @Seraphim

    A couple of things sir. Number one, Hitler could have understood the book. But he was a man of action and didn’t have time to get into it. But if you study the Germanic tribes, they had the concept of Christianity built into their culture. They didn’t accept the concept of the Trinity and meekness was just unacceptable to the Germanic mind. Have you ever noticed a certain aggressiveness of Germans over the years?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  93. @Ber

    I don’t think all of them are. The “Big-3” are, though: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I grew up in Christian faith, was confirmed and baptized in both the Lutheran and Catholic churches. Spent years reading the “holy” book and other years reading Nag Hammadi, other gnostic literature, Elaine Pagels & other knowledgeable authors.

    I could never synchronize Christianity and Spirituality, or with nature. Can’t do it because Christianity, like it’s parent, Judaism, and it’s brother, Islam, see “God” as something outside ourselves, instead of right here in front of us and inside us. Salvation is always something that comes after life instead of Now.

    I have only ran into one author who stated it just like I felt the church growing up and that was Alan Watts. He said he never felt Christianity except inside a church. It doesn’t fit with nature. MAN IS nature and that cannot be reconciled in the Christian church.

    Eastern philosophy does, though.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @SeekerofthePresence
  94. Robjil says:
    @anon

    World wide prosperity? For who? A few billionaires who mop everything for themselves?

    Many of the recent wars in the Middle East are related to OT fantasies.

    1991 war on Iraq ended on Purim.

    2003 war on Iraq started on Purim.

    2011 war on Libya started on Purim.

    Seven Nations to Destroy concept comes from the OT – Deut. 7.1-2

  95. @Al Liguori

    Mimicking the talmudic hatred of the Mother of God (see Jesus in the Talmud http://judaism.is/jesus-in-the-talmud.html ), the most Biblically ignorant and vicious of Protestants insist that Catholics “worship” the Blessed Virgin Mary. We do not worship her, we honor her exactly as the Bible honors Mary in Luke 1:26-55, the source of her titles, our “Hail Mary,” and Magnificat

    Al, great clarification! Laurent, as a Frenchman and as someone with dizzying intellect, you should know this.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  96. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    Yes, I think spiritual communication is inherently difficult – necessarily so, because we are dealing with imperceptible realities, and language is designed for physical objects in space and time.

    That being said, the picture of reality presented in scripture is vivid and real – I am not so sure a more sanitized version would be preferable.

    On the one hand, the form of communication had to be appropriate to a Bronze Age culture – on the other hand, I am not sure that we effere moderns do not benefit from a reminder of the realities of life.

    The key thing is that a spiritual text – unlike an engineering text – is designed to function on multiple levels of meaning. That is one reason why they are repeatedly studied by members of that religion.

  97. AaronB says:
    @Vinteuil

    More than a thousand years after Judaism.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    , @Vinteuil
  98. @Priss Factor

    That per se isn’t the problem. Rather, it’s that pornography in the West is about Jews using white women as sex meat for the Negroes.

    Don’t flatter yourself, porn is mostly white male + asian, latina black and white females.

    Besides, white women are not attractive:

    • Replies: @Alden
  99. @anon

    The pictures aren’t even pretty, the women look like ghouls with neanderthal bodies and male pattern baldness.

  100. AaronB says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I find that in any discussion of Judaism, the truth is almost perfectly inverted.

    Judaism is significantly more universal than Christianity or Islam.

    Jesus explicitly says that there is no way to salvation except through belief in him, and that non believers will be cast aside as burnt and withered branches. And both Christianity and Islam have traditionally held that non believers go to hell.

    By contrast, the “evil” Pharisee rabbis of the Talmud explicitly say that righteous gentiles go to heaven, and that anyone, Jew or gentile, can call down Gods presence to him through good deeds and kindness, and that a gentile who studies the Torah is the same as the High Priest.

    Somehow, though, the considerably harsher attitude of Christianity is glossed over and Judaism is branded with the exact opposite attributes.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Saggy
  101. Skeptikal says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Treatment of women is more or less the same in all traditional societies- they are meant for marriage & motherhood or prostitution.”

    Yah, but . . .
    The point is the Jesus of Nazareth challenged this, you retard.

    Another typical know-it-all comment from Bardian the Pompous.

    • LOL: kikz
    • Replies: @Toy
  102. Toy says:
    @Pierre Papier

    So you worship a semitic deity who takes pleasure in human sacrifices, suddenly changed his mind coz his chosen swindlers were sacrificing to other semitic deities, and now you’re his proud sloppy seconds?
    And that’s all fine coz Canaanite goddesses?
    Lmfao, who’s retarded now genius.

  103. Skeptikal says:
    @Pierre Papier

    The Jews are the first pagans.

    I don’t give a crap that htey think their god was better than the other pagans’ gods.

    That is what it comes down to, and they offered up human sacrifices to propitiate their terrifying god just like the other pagans.

    That we should regard th em as anything else, and even “take over” their god and make him out to be something more to our liking, is pathetic.

    Death to the Jewish God. Ritually burn him to ashes for once and for all.

    • Replies: @Warner
  104. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sic Semper

    And Jesus died on a cross for who? Somehow I don’t think Mary, was sitting around thinking that. I can’t imagine how she would feel that some would walk around with her child’s image as a mutilated dead white man on a cross, dragging him out year after year to nail him to it again, every spring.

    • Replies: @Sic Semper
  105. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    A major, major part of the reformation was getting rid of the saints especially Mary the Mother of Jesus and worshipping the old man in the sky Jewish Yahweh Christian God the Father. “ There is but one God and that is the God of Israel “ proclaimed Calvin and Knox. Like the Jews, the reformation worshipped the one old man up in the sky not Jesus Mary or any other.

    All the reformers from Henry 8 to the austere Luther Calvin Knox Amish Mennonite and American Puritans proudly emphasized the Jewish Old testament, not the Christian New Testament. Like modern Jews who endlessly file law suits against public displays of Christmas and even the very word Christmas, the reformation Puritan sects led by Calvin Knox and other banned Christmas services and celebrations

    The Puritan wing is gone in Europe but flourishes in the southern United States and among American blacks. It’s a very strong movement. They control elections.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Achilles Wannabe
  106. Alden says:
    @S. M. Coulton

    Another 90 year old sad old virgin bachelor heard from. Why post your personal frustrations on this website? . There are plenty of sites where sad old virgin bachelors can get together and hate women.

    • Replies: @S. M. Coulton
  107. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    So a few people of Jewish descent didn’t go along with the flow, what does that prove? The fact is that as a people they have destroyed western civilization. We can’t let our attention be diverted from that reality by looking at exceptions.

  108. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    I suppose there is a reason why the early churches and priests didn’t want the lay person to try and read the Bible.

  109. Toy says:
    @schrub

    I’m white of Anglo descent, and I do not worship an alleged jewish rabbinical messiah, so I prefer not to use antiquated terminology that implies obeisance to such a deity. I’m offended by that jewish gaslighting. I choose to use BCE and CE.
    Try to stop me lol

  110. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    Didn’t you go to Hebrew school? Jews don’t believe in heaven or hell.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  111. The Big-3 religions of the West, with their bachelor God, have done enormous damage to Females over the last 2600 or so years. But little is said on the damage the One-God bachelor has done to Males.

    Imagine if the West never succumbed to any of the 3 Jewish religions. A world where the man-god was represented by a strong, yet loving, male protector-type and his female counterpart, a goddess, who represented the fertility of the earth and more. A God and Goddess, representing the most fundamental foundations of existence.

    Like night and day, black and white, hot and cold, everything has an opposite. You can’t have one side without the other. Totally impossible. Yet, Western man has tried with all his might to create just that. A One God system (a male with no female), evolution without spirit, science to conquer nature. While there is much to celebrate, there is also much to learn from.

    The article is both painful to read and hopeful at the same time.

    Perhaps, without the totalitarian church, there would be no Mona Lisa, Divine Comedy, idealized ladies such as Beatrice. The Church degraded females so badly and you risked being burned at the stake if you openly idolized a goddess figure. The consequence was the age of troubadours and literary allegories of love for the Ideal woman. A creative reaction to a totalitarian situation. Pretty impressive. But will it hold up in modern times?

    The problems for our current generations comes down to men idealizing women to an extent that they put women “on a pedestal”, in which 100% failure rate is assured because no woman can remain on a pedestal.

    This crisis has been incubating for a long time for Europeans. It is now culminating in millions of Whites literally aiding in their own destruction.

    Most of the current White Identitarian movements will not make it because, like the Christian religion with it’s male god, there is no voice for females. Plus, Many of them Laud Israel and profess Old Testament nonsense when needed. The Old Testament is clear in it’s hate towards gentiles, so why quote from it? It is simply a man’s club with no real “Vision” of what they really want to do. That is why these groups are so easily attacked by the Jewish media. With Charlottesville, everyone watched a bunch of young men walked around with torches. Woo-wee!! They literally hurt whites more than anything.

  112. @Montefrío

    Thank you. Much to contemplate!

    At dawn began prayer–
    A deer leapt out of the hedge
    And didn’t have a care.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  113. Toy says:
    @Skeptikal

    But Jesus said he came not to change the law, but to fulfil it.
    > Matthew 5:18, not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law.
    > Modaic law states adultress should be stoned.
    > Jesus saves an adultress from being stoned.
    Lmfao!

    • Replies: @RI
  114. Skeptikal says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    ““Arabs” and “Islamic” are not synonymous!”

    Bears repeating, often.
    Not only in historical sense but also in the context of “current events.”
    Item: Turks are not Arabs.
    Item: Kurds are not Arabs.
    Item: Bosnians are not Arabs.
    Item: Indians (in India) are not Arabs.
    Item: Indonesians are not Arabs.
    Item: Iranians are not Arabs.
    Etc. All are Muslims (that is, large percentages of them).

    I believe that the core Arab nations are Syria, Egypt, [Saudi] Arabia, and Iraq.
    All of these countries contain other, historically important religious minorities.

  115. @Laurent Guyénot

    Freud made an enlightning statement in a speech to the B’nai Brith in 1926, 30 years after joining, which, I believe, could be transposed to many sincere communists

    True, very revealing, and I’m sure many Jewish communists felt a strong pull of Judaism(but then, this can be said for many kinds of communists: Chinese, Vietnamese, Cuban, Serbian, etc; they were national communists).

    We must also keep in mind that Freud was a doctor and academic than an ideologue. So, even though his calling in science or scientism may have been odds with tradition and custom, it didn’t directly negate it. In other words, even though scientists, whether Jewish or Christian, had to be scientists first and foremost on the job, they were free to be something else at home: nationalist, religious, or whatever ideology. Science and medicine mattered while one was on duty as a practitioner. Away from the lab, one could have a very different personal life. So, I don’t find it particularly strange that Freud could feel one thing as a scientist and another thing as a Jew with private life.

    In contrast, communist ideology permeated everything in one’s life. It was science, philosophy, religion, politics, and culture all rolled into one. Thus, it made far greater intellectual demands on Jews than, say, the field of psychology.
    For that reason, at least during the fervently idealistic phase of early Bolshevism, many communists of all stripes were deeply and sincerely committed to the movement. Though there were plenty of Russian Bolsheviks, at the elite level much of Bolshevism was like the revenge of the Coalition of the Fringes that had been under Russian Imperial rule. As the communists of each minority background hadn’t the numbers or power to take over Russia on their own, they had to make common cause with other minorities, and the binding glue was passion for communism that held out a place for Russians as well. If the coalition had been brazenly anti-Russian, they might have met with greater resistance from Russians, but communism offered land, bread, and peace to Russians as well IF they were willing to side with the non-Russian radicals against the Russian national system, be it the Tsar or the Provisional Government under Kerensky.
    So, Jews, Poles, Latvians, Georgians, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, and many others were able to pool their talents to take over Russia. And there were many disgruntled Russians who were with the cause, especially after the disaster of Russia’s tragedy in World War I and Tsar Nicholas’ embarrassing incompetence.
    And even though Russia was vast, it was relatively easy to take it over once central authority imploded because most Russians had long been acculturated to obeying orders from the Boss, Old or New. So, the Bolsheviks needed to take over the key organs of the main city, and they were in power.

    • Replies: @kikz
  116. Toy says:
    @anon

    > Enjoy it while it lasts, goy.
    You too, jew.
    Because a world without us is a world not even a jew wants to live in. Look at what happened to you clowns under Stalin: you got eaten by the beast you created. And that’s a norm for jews. Not very smart.

    • Agree: freedom-cat
  117. @Anon

    Thank you for the lovely hymn.

    An Orthodox reflection on Mary…

    Mary Mother blessed!
    Gives birth to God’s Son and Church.
    In pure love we nest.

  118. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    And? They are now.

  119. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    Hi Aaron–

    I get that. The language is truly powerful and evocative in that respect, and perhaps even more resonant in Hebrew, although I can’t read a word of it. My own receptivity may slant in a somewhat different direction, but reality hardly revolves around my own personal inclinations, even though it may speak to them as deeply and lucidly as it does to yours.

  120. Isabella says:
    @renfro

    It’s unfortunate that writings like this one – an excellent piece of literary analysis as it is – isn’t more specific about the terms it uses.
    I get tired, commenting in modern Anglo based Alternative sites, of having to point out the meaningless these days of the word “Jews”>
    Who are “the Jews”?. I’ve researched and there is not one piece of evidence for any genetic difference in the DNA and genotype of the Jews and the Arabs that surround them, right up to the Caucasian ‘Stans.
    Are they followers of a religion, because many are descended from such yet follow no religion?.
    Are they those who practise the Judaic faith and are also Zionists, destroy Palestine with a satanic fervour – because there are many who look like them, traditional long hair, hat and garb too, who demonstrate holding signs saying “Zionism is against Judaism” and “No to Israel – not in my name”?
    The Nobel Prize winning physicist Richard Feynman was descended from Lithuanian “Jews”.
    He rejected all religion, never practised any, never followed a single “Jewish” precept, and was happily married of normal parents.
    Soo — throwing this “all Jews are Evil” around is going to lead to exactly where it led before – and on several occasions.
    Time for a little more care and definition of terms methinks.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @renfro
  121. Slightly OT: the author refers to various scholars (and writers) in this article. I would just tackle one issue, the so-called Perennial school.

    Although they differ in some respects, these people are often grouped together: Fritjof Schuon, Rene Guenon, Titus Burckhardt, Martin Lings, Sayyed Hossein Nasr, Marco Pallis, Ananda Coomarswamy, Julius Evola & some others. I’ve read many of their stuff – and would advise anyone who has spare time on his hands to do so – but I must admit I am highly critical of the whole group.

    Good things about them all: they’re polyglot erudites; artistically sensitive, cultured & cosmopolitan; mostly, know their stuff & won’t misrepresent a tradition they expatiate upon (Islamic Sufism, Vedanta, Christian medieval art, …).

    Bad things: most of these guys (though not all) are Islamic converts, therefore I am not persuaded by their supposed universalism; they are crackpot political reactionaries without elementary knowledge of the world’s realities; they are basically – obscurantists, even the best among them like Burckhardt (while Guenon & Evola could be considered psychos by any sane-minded shrink). They, virtually all of them, are very uneasy with our Greco-Roman heritage of individualism, rationality, skepticism & Prometheanism; they abhor the Renaissance & all artistic & scientific development after the Middle Ages, including Copernicus & the rest (Darwin is also an ogre, while 20th C physics is, I suppose, something they hadn’t heard of). Heliocentric system is – bad. Enlightenment – bad. No further comments.

    They should not be confused with, I would call them- Eranos circle. I won’t delve into technical & organizational elements, but they were frequently supposed to be Jungians, after the most influential member, Swiss psychologist C.G.Jung. Well, they were not, although some were, to a degree, influenced by his ideas (although not much). The most read & notable people from that circle were Henry Corbin, Mircea Eliade, Heinrich Zimmer, Gilles Quispel, Gershom Scholem, Joseph Campbell, Erich Neumann, Herbert Read & some other guys (Karl Kereny is also a famous attendant, but I haven’t read him because he seemed to offer not much).

    Unlike Perennialists, the Eranos bunch were true scholars of myth, esoterica, philosophy & culture. True, they also share a streak of obscurantism with the Perennialists, but were far from aggressiveness & anti-modernity of the Guenon-Evola axis. Corbin is sometimes funny with his high rhetoric & lapses into obscurantism (he praises “Goethean science”), but these are minor transgressions.

    True, Eliade & Corbin sometimes refer to Guenon and his flock, but they should not be confused with the Perennialist gang.

    • Replies: @kikz
  122. I’m not sure, but I think someone (the author?) has mentioned loony Rabbi Shmuel. Well …

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/kosher-sex-store-in-tel-aviv-run-by-rabbis-daughter-sells-spice-for-marriages/

    Kosher sex store in Tel Aviv run by rabbi’s daughter sells spice for marriages

  123. AaronB says:
    @Alden

    Then I must have grown up in the only Jewish community for whom the afterlife was a key tenet of their faith.

  124. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @freedom-cat

    Alan Wats ….. come on !

    Read and meditate ” The Imitation of Christ” , by Thomas a Kempis , more than 600 years old , collons .

    http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/1380-1471,_Kempis._Thomas,_The_Imitation_Of_Christ,_EN.pdf

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  125. Alden says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Refusing to use BC and AD is just submitting to Jewish communist anti Christianity anti European civilization and anti the White European people.

    Many always assumed BC meant before Christ and AD meant after death. So it was just a historical fact not the catholic view that Jesus was our lord and savior.

    I personally don’t believe a word of any of it. I don’t call myself an atheist because atheism is anti Christian European civilization anti the White European peoples and a tool of the Jewish communist liberal war against us, the White European peoples.

    BCE and CE is just one more tool in the war against the White European people be they liberal atheist agnostic or any Christian sect.

    I gather you’re one of those ultra secular anti RC French men. Jews communists and liberals hate you because you’re a White man as much as they hate the priests saying mass every Sunday. Your laicism won’t help when they come for us.

    I enjoy saying before Christian Era and Christian Era instead of common era and love, just love the way jews freak out.

    We Americans who live in Jewish dominated states and cities are more aware of the Jewish communist liberal desire to genocide all Whites than Europeans are.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  126. AaronB says:
    @Alden

    The puritans seem to have been a grim and joyless lot, and rather unspiritual – the reason to insist on one God is so that you can connect to the true source of all spirituality in a better way, but for the puritans it was more about morally condemning people and an obsessive focus on sin.

    Once you see God as the ultimate source of all existence, and as by definition the greatest, then oneness is implied.

    The idea of the greatest goes together with the idea of there being only one such being – pagans worship many beings, so naturally none is so magnificent.

    But for anyone who craves to go beyond partial principles as represented by pagan deities, and go directly the source and root of everything, from the partial to the whole, then Oneness – or Wholeness, Completeness, etc – is implied.

    • Replies: @anon
  127. renfro says:
    @Isabella

    Soo — throwing this “all Jews are Evil” around is going to lead to exactly where it led before – and on several occasions.

    Perhaps.
    I am fairly sure that in every century that Jews were tossed out of countries or persecuted the populace was saying the same things about them that is said today.
    I am also pretty certain that that Jews in past centuries were doing many of the same things they are doing today that the populace(s) objects to.

    I think after all the centuries of the same Jewish “pattern” in all the countries they inhabited Never Again will be Always Again because they Never Learn.

    • Replies: @kikz
  128. Agent76 says:

    Aug 16, 2019 THIS Changed Him from Catholic to Agnostic!

    Ray Comfort shares the gospel with a man who went to Catholic school for 14 years, but no longer believes in God. He’s agnostic…but Ray exposes the real reason why he won’t believe in God.

  129. Art says:

    The golden age of Hollywood film making, was when the Catholic Legion of Decency set the standards. The end prize of films was the love of a good woman. Heroes where men who succumb to the moderation of womanly love. To the benefit of culture and art, the Hollywood Jews had to produce interesting quality moral stories.

    That all died in the sixties – titillation replaced art. Selfish personal identity replaced community and the common good. Now a days, Hollywood gives us comic book characters, who speak comic book dialog. Conflict and blood, where the “good” guy must kill the bad guy in a gruesome manner, is the story. All films are tainted and constrained by feminism and political identity.

    Christian idealistic love must return to its beneficial place in culture.

  130. renfro says:
    @Isabella

    “No to Israel – not in my name”?

    It is unfortunate that the world practices ‘collective punishment’ and innocents also are harmed.
    But that has been the way it works since mankind went to wars.

  131. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Are you sure God wants to be one with you? Your not talking about the God that let you die in a flood are you? Maybe that’s why the puritans decided to not be so spiritual and decided maybe it’s best if they focus on not sinning instead. I guess maybe the Puritans were waiting to see if God even liked them. Unlike some who feel they can decide for God what God will think.

  132. Hhsiii says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Not a troll at all, Fuerchtegott. A respectful response. And although beyond me, seemingly a fairly learned response. A new Unz writer.

  133. @Al Liguori

    Amen!!!

    Catholics do not worship God and that false accusation was dealt with a LONG time ago by Saint Augustine in “City of God” (ppg 340, 341, 342 and 376, 377)

    Frankly, posting this idiotic and insane crap does nothing positive for the reputation of Mr. Unz.

  134. @Alden

    I’m 30 years old and a non-virgin. I also said nothing in that post that was even remotely anti-woman.

    • Replies: @Alden
  135. Seraphim says:
    @gotmituns

    The ‘concept’ of Christianity is the Trinity and meekness, right. The German tribes (in their state of barbarism, that’s it) had neither the Trinity nor meekness (they were ‘heroes’, i.e. savage berserk), therefore Christianity was not ‘built’ into their ‘Kultur’. They have been christianized and remained Christians until they rejected Christianity with Luther, sliding or if you prefer, reverting to their ancestral ‘paganism’.

  136. @Laurent Guyénot

    Sir, I kindly disagree, or at least I THINK I do:

    “Kaaba: Shrine of the sacred stone of Mecca, formerly dedicated to the pre-Islamic Triple Goddess (virgin, mother, crone–my explanation) Manat, Al-Lat (Allah), and Al-Uzza, the “Old Woman” worshipped by Mohammed’s tribesmen the Koreshites. The stone was also called Kubaba, Kuba, or Kube, and has been linked with the name of Cybele (Kybela), the Great Mother of the Gods.

    The stone bore the emblem of the yoni like the black stone worshipped by votaries of Artemis. Now it is regarded as the holy center of patriarchal Islam, and its feminine symbolism has been lost, though priests of the Kaaba are still known as Sons of the Old Woman.”

    Barbara M. Walker–“The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets”. Sorry, I don’t know how to do fonts and styles in reply.

    I’d love your take on this, Sir, since for the past few years I’ve learned that everything I ever thought I knew was lies.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  137. @AaronB

    Don’t content and thoughts matter, or only language?

    Does not the grandeur of Paul’s “Ephesians” and John’s Gospel Chap 1 equal that of Moses and Isaiah?
    Even the theist Voltaire said Paul’s was some of the sublimest writing he had read.

    What is more important, that language be “like a force of nature,”
    Or like the power and grace of God?

    I, too, love the primordial quality of Hebrew writing, but that is by no means the whole story.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @AaronB
  138. Guyenot is an example of a cucked Western male who blames Joooooz for his problems.

    He scribbles about the Old Testament and the lying and cheating in it. He should know that the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. The Old Testament and what happened in it cannot be separated from the New Testament. When a person does this, he commits the Marcionism heresy. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches condemn Marcionism.

    He scribbles about Jewish men and their shiksa fixation. That’s over with. Male Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians. Philip Roth is irrelevant.

    Guyenot is French. He should focus on saving France. France likes to call itself the Eldest Daughter of the RCC. France is a salope. He should focus on starting a political party that calls for the repatriation of blacks/Asians/Muslims/Jews from France. He should be with working with Marine LePen and the Yellow Vests. Instead he wastes his time on criticizing Jews and Christianity.

  139. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    You would be better off asking an Orthodox about the Theotokos. Orthodox are not only physically closer to the sources of Christianity, but spiritually. You can ‘navigate’ through a number of Orthodox sites on the net, which will give you a more precise account of the Mother of God than Dr. Guyenot can possibly give. His knowledge of Orthodoxy is limited to the poncifs current in the West.

  140. Wally says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    said:
    “Mendelssohn was, arguably, single-handedly responsible for the flourishing of musical Romanticism in England and Scandinavia?” …..

    LOL

    Says who?

    He was a compete mediocrity of flashy, teen-boy embellishment with little or no substance even when he matured.
    You obvious know little about music and the truly great composers.

    Of course he does get good PR from his brethren just like theirs frauds Einstein, Freud, on & on. That’s how it works, and you buy it.
    And no doubt the even worse Leonard Bernstein is also a big deal to you.

  141. Ber says:
    @Anon

    Here we go again, Christianity deep into sex and size of organs.

  142. @Talha

    Wow, Talha, you got there before I did, but give him a break–aside from the Arab stuff, he was pretty spot-on.

  143. Seraphim says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    It is exceedingly sad when you see that “As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool repeats his folly” (Proverbs 26:11). This is the relapse into Judaism after it was superseded by the New Law given by God Incarnate. But “Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding them like grain with a pestle, you will not remove their folly from them”(Proverbs 27:22).

    “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire” (2 Peter 2:20-22).

  144. @freedom-cat

    Christ within, grace unfurl
    As Spirit we reach through child’s faith.
    “Spill the wine, take the Pearl.”

  145. Saggy says: • Website
    @AaronB

    The great contribution of Judaism is to introduce humanity to the true conception of God as an unimaginably awesome and vast and mysterious Being – a conception so radically above the conception of pagan gods as to scarcely belong in the same class of ideas.

    You’ve got to be joking, the ‘God’ of the OT is a lunatic bent on destroying the enemies of the Jews and the Jews themselves if they don’t follow his every idiotic whim.

    No rational person can read that drivel and have any regard whatever for the Jewish ‘God’.

    • Agree: Robjil
  146. Alden says:
    @S. M. Coulton

    So you’re a gay who hates women. Lots of women hating sexually frustrated men on UNZ Welcome to the sad old bachelor site of women haters.

  147. Saggy says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Judaism is significantly more universal than Christianity or Islam.

    You are perfectly insane, or joking, or lying ….. or a true believer, but my own mind cannot comprehend how anyone can be a true believer, …. but… to the original point …

    I think this quote applies …..

    The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid

    I think you are assuming we’re all perfectly stupid.

    • Replies: @Poco
  148. K. W. says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Laurent, thank you so much for your excellent work and insight. Do you have an email address I could correspond with?
    Thank you!

  149. @SeekerofthePresence

    Another good one! Very good one!

    And thank you. I’m working on developing the Six-S Way into a full blown book.

    Here are two reading suggestions: The Zen Teachings of Huang Po, John Blofeld translation; Wholeness and the Implicate Order by David Bohm. The latter is heavy on quantum physics, but the narrative is sufficient without the mathematical expansion geared toward a professional readership.

    Should you wish further info, I’ll provide my email. Best wishes!

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  150. AaronB says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    I don’t think anything can equal Isaiah or the Psalms, but there are certainly good things in the Gospels, Paul, and countless Christian writers.

    But maybe because its closer in time to us, it feels more human and familiar and contemporary. But certainly there are very good things in Christian writings.

    Incidentally, in Christian monasteries the Pslams were the main liturgical service – the monks clearly considered it the most sublime religious devotional poetry available.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  151. Vinteuil says:
    @AaronB

    More than a thousand years after Judaism.

    K.

  152. Vinteuil says:
    @AaronB

    More than a thousand years after Judaism.

    So show me your work, dude.

  153. Vinteuil says:
    @attilathehen

    France is a salope.

    I.e., a bitch.

    Shouldn’t you be over on the Derb’s latest thread, kvetching about his Asian wife & half Asian children?

    • LOL: Talha
  154. @anon

    George Carlin had a routine about that. If Christ had been executed in the 20th Century everyone would be wearing a dead man sitting in an electric chair around their neck.

    The older I grow, Christianity becomes more of an abomination and a hinderance to the self preservation of its adherents in the face of a mounting racial genocide.

    A dozen years of catholic schooling, the years of hypocrisy I witnessed and the twist and suspensions of logic that are necessary to have a perpetual Schrodinger’s cat in your head all the while being told you are unworthy and must repent.

    I have seen things of the next world, I do not doubt that there was powerful medium who had abilities and tapped into greater truths that he shared with his followers. His teachings break down into doing no harm and attempting to show bronze age man the existence of higher realities in a language that they could understand – everything after that becomes a labyrinthine of twisted logic used to control populations that our worst enemy has seized the reins of.

    Assuming the consciousness of the Christ continues to exist – What does he think of his church on earth now? I assume he would have fury at the failure of mankind to evolve at all in 2000 years. Read Cicero, we have not changed at all, still petty, narcissistic, opportunistic hairless apes. He surely would rage at the victimization of those who try to heed his basic lessons. He would rage most at those who use his teachings and name to perpetuate lies and harm the innocent.

  155. Talha says:
    @Vinteuil

    Honestly, Xenophanes does not get the credit he deserves:
    “Xenophanes of Colophon was a philosophically-minded poet who lived in various parts of the ancient Greek world during the late 6th and early 5th centuries BCE He is best remembered for a novel critique of anthropomorphism in religion, a partial advance toward monotheism, and some pioneering reflections on the conditions of knowledge. Many later writers, perhaps influenced by two brief characterizations of Xenophanes by Plato (Sophist 242c–d) and Aristotle (Metaphysics 986b18-27), identified him as the founder of Eleatic philosophy (the view that, despite appearances, what there is is a changeless, motionless, and eternal ‘One’).”
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/xenophanes/

    He may well have been one of the prophets sent to the Greeks.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  156. baythoven says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    You are correct that Mendelssohn is an example of Jewish genius that was contributive, rather than corruptive, of Christian European culture. Oddly, considering the length of your post, you fail to state his greatest cultural contribution, which is that he was a great champion of Bach and did much to revive many Bach masterworks such as the Passions, etc.

    You do however greatly, even absurdly, exaggerate his prominence and influence as a composer. I’m not going to pick apart your whole exposition, but just to make the essential points…

    Elgar, Sibelius, Holst, etc. would not have been because…What? English oratorio societies, which — Correction — existed to perform Handel, liked also to perform Elijah and St. Paul? As if England and Scandinavia would have fallen into some musical dark ages otherwise. And again, curiously, you do not cite the only well-known composer of this region with whom one might argue a musical link to Mendelssohn — that is Grieg, certainly not Elgar, Sibelius, etc.

    The great inspiration for Brahms was not Mendelssohn, but Beethoven and Schumann. Beethoven and Schumann were indeed the greatest lights of the Romantic movement in music. (As an aside, Tchaikovsky loved Schumann, and there is a clear musical link between them.) Other great lights in musical Romanticism — Chopin, Berlioz, Wagner. Especially Wagner. (I won’t even bother to refute the idea that Wagner was inspired by Mendelssohn.)

    The last Great Romantic was Richard Strauss. I like Korngold very much, but he was clearly a copier, and an unprolific one, of R. Strauss. (The other 20th century Jewish composers that you cite are too unknown to comment on.)

    Lastly, I want to say that there is a great legacy of Romanticism, not in the academic term but in the spirit of this column, to be found in classical music prior to Beethoven…in the two final great operas of Monteverdi, in the operas of Handel and Rameau, in operas of Gluck, Haydn’s celebrated song cycles (his operas too were they to be revived?), Mozart’s operas. (Let’s take the arias of Ferrando in Cosi fan Tutte as particular examples.)

    • Replies: @Jerome
  157. Seraphim says:
    @AaronB

    Psalms are extensively recited in all services of the ordinary Churches, not exclusively in monasteries and by monks. To wit: Vespers services contain obligatorily lectures of Psalms, Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, Prophets (especially Isaiah), Proverbs, Wisdom of Solomon, Epistles, Gospels (not Revelation). The text of the antiphones (short chants sung as a refrain) are the Psalms. Not to mention that the New Testament is suffused with quotations from the Psalms and the Prophets.
    Recitation of Psalms is an essential part of personal devotions.
    And they are as beautiful and awe inspiring in any language as in Hebrew.
    You shot in the air.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  158. @Anon

    I have already read reams about “Christ”. But I came to the conclusion that the resurrection is just an allegory and Jesus was an Imitator. Nothing wrong with him imitating other work, except when it gets turned into a religion that ended up oppressing the entire West for 1600 years. At least he didn’t advocate for the murder of people as does the old testament and Islamic writings.

    The term “Christ” is a principle not just about Jesus. It pre-dates Jesus. Jesus was likely highly involved in Occult and much of the Gnostic texts seem to point to that direction. He was A son of god, not THE son of god. Big difference.

    Sorry, I just don’t think Jesus was unique in his teaching. He is just another Jewish copy cat.

    Eastern Philosophy suits me much better.

  159. Seraphim says:

    Fred Katz masquerading as ‘guru’.

  160. @Rational

    NO not the Torah, there is very little ‘pornography’ as it migjt be termed in the Old Testament as such. You are thinking about the Talmud which is indeed the only pornographic scripture I believe.

  161. @Jon Baptist

    As a Frenchman, the nuance escaped me. But if they were still around, the Egyptians could equally claim that didn’t worship Isis, but honored her. Taking no pleasure in offending anyone, I take note of the precision.

  162. @Alden

    Get over it, Alden. I find this issue insignificant and your obsession with it childish. When writing in French, I use “av. J.-C.” and “ap. J._C.”, since it is still the common habit, although unconveniantly heavy. I have no problem with it. When I read recent English book, I notice that most of them use BCE and CE, so I adopted it. That’s it. When you write that, just because I made this choice, I am “submitting to Jewish communist anti Christianity anti European civilization and anti the White European people,” you sound weird, as if gone into an hypnotic transe triggered by those letters. You say “Many always assumed BC meant before Christ and AD meant after death.” I don’t think so. Maybe you did. Never heard that before. I agree that “before Christian Era and Christian Era” would be the perfect alternative. Why then, don’t we both agree that BCE and CE means just that?

    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
  163. @Pissedoffalese

    Unlike what I write in my articles, my comments are not always very well researched. So, in view of your comment (and Talha’s comment 67), I take back “and never had any acquaintance with the Goddess.” More research is needed. Thanks.

  164. @attilathehen

    “Guyenot is French. He should focus on saving France. Blablabla”

    I am actively supporting and contributing to Alain Soral’s movement, working to save France. France has many problems, but her deadly illness is called Zionism. Zion’s French headquarter, the CRIF, controls France politically and mentally to a point you can hardly imagine. It is worse than in the US. Exposing this reality, and getting to the bottom of it, is the most important thing to do. Jean-Marie Le Pen (fully supported by Soral) was the chance that France missed. He has publicly endorsed my book JFK-11 Septembre, which has contributed significantly to raise French awareness. His daughter Marine, who stabbed him in the back, is another story.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  165. sarz says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    …Arabian culture, which views women and cattle alike as transportable merchandize, objects of razzia and commerce, and never had any acquaintance with the Goddess.

    Since we are talking off the top of our heads here, let me mention Hazrat Khadija, the prophet’s first wife. She, rather than her brother, was selected as their merchant father’s successor, and she made a big success of the business. She was quite a bit older than the prophet and had had two husbands before him who had died. She was the first or second covert to Islam. They were married for twenty five years, until her death and the prophet had no other wife till then. Does that fit your vulgar, lazy summary?

    About the ‘Goddess’. The basic concept of not just Islam but any genuine spritual pathway is the affirmation of the unity of truth-being. So there is no goddess besides God, but maternity is a Name of God. You might have heard that Jesus is a presence in the Quran, referred to as the breath or spirit of God. And so is his virgin birth, from the ideal of womanhood, Mary.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
    , @PPB
    , @kikz
  166. utu says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    “…AD (Anno Domini) sounds like a confession of faith (and a Roman Catholic one)…” – Wow, and idiot came out of Laurent Guyénot.

  167. @Anon

    My knowledge of Orthodoxy is indeed limited. But, having read quite a lot on the conflict between Rome and Constantinople (Steven Runciman, for example), which ended up by Rome murdering her elder sister, I have much more sympathy for Orthodoxy than for Catholicism. The Roman Church is totally fraudulent in its schismatic claims, and its medieval tyranny is a satanic betrayal of the Gospel. It now pays the price (karma), whereas Orthodoxy, under communism, has paid a price for its resurrection. Orthodoxy appears to me far heathier, spiritually, aesthetically, socially (married priests, doesn’t forbid divorce, etc.). It is certainly the most legitimate, the only legitimate Christian church. I have an ambivalent relationship with my Christian heritage; I am grateful for having been raised a Christian, and the life of Jesus, including anastasis, resonates deeply in me, but theology doesn’t make much sense to me (the very name of it is an absurdity), and I wouldn’t be able to comment more.
    Thanks for sharing.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Anon
  168. RI says:
    @Toy

    Which law Jesus meant?

    • Replies: @Toy
  169. Jerome says:
    @baythoven

    I totally agree. Mendelssohn and Mahler were mediocrities who are now being pushed on us as geniuses, by usual suspects, for obvious reasons. The same was story with Einstein – a psychopathic plagiarist, whom they managed to turn into a symbol of high intelligence.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  170. @sarz

    Does that fit your vulgar, lazy summary?

    You’re right, it doesn’t.

  171. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    It would be interesting to know what irks you about ‘theology’. Why is it an ‘absurdity’?
    “Theology is derived from the Greek theologia (θεολογία), which derived from theos (Θεός), meaning “god”, and -logia (-λογία), meaning “utterances, sayings, or oracles” (a word related to logos [λόγος], meaning “word, discourse, account, or reasoning”) which had passed into Latin as theologia and into French as théologie”. The utterances of the Christ are ‘theologia’.

    • Replies: @PPB
  172. Toy says:
    @RI

    Leviticus 20:10

    • Replies: @RI
  173. kikz says:
    @Rational

    don’t forget the ‘blockhead’ or the ‘western wall’ air hump…………………..

  174. … the Eastern Roman emperor Theodosius II convened at Ephesus a council, at which the title Theotokos was officially bequeathed to the Virgin Mary. And so Artemis was given back to the Ephesians, only under a different identity. The pilgrims who had converged to Ephesus for centuries to pay homage to Artemis could now pray in front of the same statues and walk the same torchlight processions.

    The church teaches that Mary retired to Ephesus in her later years. The little house there where she was said to have lived is now a popular pilgrimage destination for both Catholic and Orthodox Christians. (I visited it myself while vacationing in Turkey a few years ago.)

  175. anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pierre Papier

    Pierre Papier–Jews were no longer the chosen people by the time of Christ
    • Romans 9:4–The people of Israel, chosen.

    Hmm, who is retarded now, Jew-worshiper?

  176. kikz says:
    @Priss Factor

    “We must also keep in mind that Freud was a doctor and academic than an ideologue”

    Freud was a sexcrazed cokehead.

  177. PPB says:
    @Seraphim

    Theology is no doubt inevitable— the human thought process seems compelled to wrap itself around as much as it possibly can, which certainly has its positive consequences. But when our minds strain too far beyond their inherent capacity, they either sensibly give up, or elase get more and more caught up in their own convolutions, which they then commonly mistake for the contours of reality itself. An analogy to the theological enterprise might be the useful but necessarily flawed attempt to project a 3-dimensional surface onto a sheet of paper. I suspect that the Mercator projection may have inspired Trump to make an offer for Greenland– the island is just so irresistibly Yuuge.

    “I can write no more. I have seen things that make my writings like straw.”

    – Thomas Aquinas

  178. kikz says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon…

    May I suggest that you expand your encyclopedic *eyeroll* knowledge of Perennialist thought to include something other than the ‘new kids on the block’ you mentioned….

    Doc Livergood, although a bit too xtian for my tastes, would be a good place to begin. no doubt you’ll turn up your nose at it…

    But for others who may have an interest in Perennialism ….

    Although the wonderful ‘sorting hat’ website (wherein if you searched for crap, that’s where it dumped you, offsite) that once existed, is now gone…. however, the book remains.

    https://www.amazon.com/Perennial-Tradition-Legacy-Initiatory-Mysticism/dp/1893302482

    i think there is also a dwnld avail on scribd.

    • Replies: @kikz
  179. kikz says:
    @renfro

    well stated renfro….

    it’s amazing that it never occurs to anyone to inquire…. what is about all those different peoples in different countries across time………….. that just one day… simply snapped/ lost their collective minds and decided jooz needed to leave, some more than once?

    what exactly is the constant in that equation? them, joos.

    the ‘culture of critique’ has made weapon/ industry/hobby of deconstructing every Gentile breath, thought/deed as psychopathy…. yet no such introspection on the micro/nanoscopic level is EVER applied to their own kind. gee, wonder why? *snark*

  180. PPB says:
    @sarz

    Does Islam ever view the Christian concept of the Trinity in this same light? Namely, that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are “Names” of a single God rather than separate individuals? I have heard Muslims using the tripartite Christian notion of Divinity as a rhetorical point in asserting the superiority of Islam, but I’m wondering if the the trinitarian concept has ever been reconciled in Islamic theology with the fundamental Islamic principle of Divine Unity?

    I also find it curious, though perhaps not determinative, that the 99 Names of God in Islam are a perfect multiple of the 3 primary aspects of God per Christianity.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AaronB
    , @sarz
    , @Seraphim
  181. It’s just a piece of ass after all. You just have to figure out the price in terms of diamonds, marriage, or just a night. Plenty to go around, the hassle they used to go through with nonsense like romance strikes me as hilarious today. The world is overflowing with pooze, everyone can have some, more than you can shake a dick at. Just another easily-found commodity.

    • Replies: @PPB
  182. This is an excellent article. One can analyze the Jewish problem either on the base of religion as you have done here, Laurent, or on the base of psychology. The Jungian model of psychology introduces the notion of Self as a counterpart to the Ego in a bipolar relationship. Ego-individuals are at the mercy of their unconscious. Their thoughts and actions are determined by the inputs of the unconscious into their mind. One can say “They don’t know what they do”. In this state, they live under permanent existential anxiety. For Self-determined individuals, the unconscious becomes partially transparent. They can recognize the evil elements and start the work of neutralizing them. The result is inner peace. Unfortunately, the acces to the self is a “grace of God”. Jesus wanted to introduce the Self into religion in the form of “access to God”. This is the important step, the Christian religion has done. It is a well-known phenomenon that Ego-people envy Self-determined people. The Jews envyed, and continue to envy, the Christians because they saw their pretension of being the people chosen by God fly away. It seems that for Jews the access to the Self is a problem. They feel the lack but are not able to find the way out of their psychical imprisonment. Therefore, they become destructive and that to such an extent that they expose humanity to the danger of extinction. In my eyes, this is “the Jewish Question”. More about this theme on my website indicated above. I look forward with interest to comments from you, Laurent, and others, perhaps a dialogue.

    • Replies: @PPB
    , @Laurent Guyénot
  183. PPB says:
    @Jim Christian

    “Just another easily-found commodity.”

    True enough, with sex as well as with the plethora of other goodies that our current-day world offers. But all of that eventually leads to satiety, and to a higher regard for what nobody can just pull off the shelf. If you’re speaking of “romance” as a body of stylized mannerisms and rituals, a masquerade of formalized mating dances, then I would pretty much agree with your assessment of it. However, there’s also something real behind those masks, a purity left uncolored and untouched by all the conventional nonsense.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  184. Talha says:
    @PPB

    the 99 Names of God in Islam

    These are Divine Attributes, like; the Creator, the Provider, the Merciful, etc.

    a perfect multiple of the 3

    Imam Ghazali (ra) has a tract on the 99 names and mentions that these are the ones used due to convention have based upon certain hadith and certain Quranic verses. He also has a chapter in that tract mentioning how the Divine Names/Attributes are not limited to just 99. He concludes the chapter by offering as proof, the supplication recorded in Imam Ahmad’s Musnad that has been taught to dispel distress and grief:
    “O Allah, I am Your servant, son of Your servant, son of Your maidservant, my forelock is in Your hand, Your command over me is forever executed and Your decree over me is just. I ask You by every name belonging to You which You named Yourself with, or revealed in Your Book, or You taught to any of Your creation, or You have preserved in the knowledge of the unseen with You, that You make the Quran the life of my heart and the light of my breast, and a departure for my sorrow and a release for my anxiety.”

    Namely, that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are “Names” of a single God rather than separate individuals?

    I thought this was an official heresy, no?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @PPB
  185. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    That is the interesting point. It seems, as far as I can tell, that Christianity has remained deliberately ambiguous on this point.

    In Judaism also the ‘aspects’ and attributes of God are listed – and they are many more than 3 (however, the highest 3 aspects of God are divided into 3 and set apart from the rest, and the motif of the trinity appears in Hinduism and Buddhism and many other cultures). But the texts are constantly on guard against interpreting this in a physical sense, as distinct persons – whereas it seems that in Christianity, there is deliberate ambiguity here.

    Gandhi mentioned the 99 names of God in Islam as similar to Hinduism many Gods – and Hinduism also, at its highest level, is monotheism, as Gandhi insisted.

    Buddhism is also a very unusual kind of implicit monotheism – and later in its development, became explicit monotheism (Pure Land).

    All high religious culture must eventually become monotheistic, for the simple reason that it is a higher development of spirituality to worship and seek to connect with the ‘highest Being’, the All, the foundation of reality. As mans religiosity develops, he naturally is no longer satisfied with a part but seeks the Highest, the Whole.

    But I too am curious about how Islamic Oneness dealt with the Christian trinity.

    The Christian ambiguity regarding the physicality of the trinity has led to modern efforts by people who call themselves Christian to revert from worshipping the Whole towards only connecting to a part, like ancient polytheism.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @PPB
    , @anon
    , @Bassarab
  186. PPB says:
    @Christophorus

    Interesting analysis. Perhaps the predominantly positive interactions I’ve had with the Jews I’ve known as friends and acquaintances has been due to the fact that they haven’t remained captives to the strain within Judaic culture that you mentioned here. This could also reflect one of the positive consequences of the general dilution of religion and culture that we’ve experienced on a near global scale during the past century, not that there haven’t also been negative consequences. But the iron grip of tradition has released itself to a great degree, allowing individuals of all cultures and ethnicities to grow into their own natural dimensions instead of continuing as what narrow tradition would have coerced them to remain. Perphaps this global tendency has also been in part responsible for the resurgence of fundamentalism in various quarters, as a reaction to this unmooring (in both its positive and negative aspects).

    • Replies: @Christophorus
  187. PPB says:
    @Talha

    “I thought this was an official heresy, no?”

    Maybe it is, but I never equated dogma with truth.

  188. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    But I too am curious about how Islamic Oneness dealt with the Christian trinity.

    It’s a mistake as far as we’re concerned (then there are epistemic issues about reliability of source material that it’s based on, etc.); it’s really about as simple as that.

    It’s actually been a great selling point for us. We get plenty of converts to Islam from Christianity (in fact most of our converts are from that tradition). They leave aside the Trinity, which they simply couldn’t reconcile with and get to keep the Son of Mary (pbuh).

    Peace.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  189. kikz says:
    @kikz

    apologies, only meant to include the link frm scribd for dwnld.. have no idea how the graphics attached??? beg pardon, to site/author.

  190. kikz says:
    @sarz

    um… some… goddesses… *shrugs*

    Pre-Islamic ‘Daughters of Allah’ Lât, `Uzzâ, and Manât;

  191. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    “All high religious culture must eventually become monotheistic, for the simple reason that it is a higher development of spirituality to worship and seek to connect with the ‘highest Being’, the All, the foundation of reality. As mans religiosity develops, he naturally is no longer satisfied with a part but seeks the Highest, the Whole.”

    Yes, and even from a purely logical perspective, the mere givenness of multiplicity implicitly entails an underlying and encompassing unity. Which of course doesn’t preclude a genuine appreciation and reverence for multiplicity and its individual expressions. Maybe the latter is much of what we really mean by “romance”, getting back to the original theme of this thread.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  192. @Digital Samizdat

    Interesting. Is it from there that she is supposed to have ascended bodily to heaven?

    • Replies: @sarz
    , @Digital Samizdat
  193. RI says:
    @Toy

    “Know ye not, brethren, for I speak to them that know the law….
    …But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
    Romans 7

    • Replies: @Toy
  194. @Christophorus

    Thanks, I’ll go visit your site. Basically, from my viewpoint, spirituality and psychology are one and the same (or should be), just different languages. And it is always interesting to look at some questions from different angles, with different conceptual tools. What separates psychology from the religious outlook is the question of the afterlife, which normally doesn’t concern psychology. But if we are ready to consider that the integrated Self can survive death (unlike the ego), then what you are saying fits my impression that the metaphysical foundation of Judaism, the core ideology of the Hebrew Bible, is materialism, the denial of any kind of otherworld and the denial of the individual soul, compensated by the belief in some kind of collective immortality for the Jewish people as a whole (my article “Israel as One Man” (http://www.unz.com/article/israel-as-one-man/). Physical immortality through genetic descendance is the only immortality. The fathers live eternally through their sons only, that is why Jews are literally possessed by their dead ancestors and cannot become fully individualized. The Self is somehow inhabited by a kind of collective soul. Just a few thought. More later perhaps.

    • Replies: @Christophorus
  195. sarz says:
    @PPB

    You ask my presumably Muslim views of the Christian concept of the Trinity. Let me respond askance, and not as a Muslim (my family tradition) and not as a Christian (my school upbringing), but rather as a disciple of Jesus. Where in the world did this trinity idea spring up from, and what is its utility? When I talk to Christians about Jesus, they seem to know so little of his life. My view on Jesus is that he was not a one-time irreproducible phenomenon but a prime example of sacred being, among others. And that there is a science or proto-science of the sacred.

    I have brought up with Christian friends the case of the woman whose menstruation was ceaseless, and who touched Jesus’ garment. Not one remembered it. He asked, Who touched me? And the crowd around thought, Whatever could he mean? All sorts of people are bumping into him. But he asked again, saying, I felt the power go out of me. Then the woman confessed that it was her, that she had been suffering from ceaseless menstruation, and she thought in desperate hope that if she but touched Jesus’ garment she would be cured. Jesus said , Go, your faith has made you whole.

    There is a sanskrit word, shaktipaat, to cover phenomena such as this. It is the involuntary blessing bestowed by a great soul on a supplicant. It is God’s grace, operating involuntarily through some realized being, in answer to a prayer

    There is a map and even a science of miracles. One can know, if lucky, with hypothetico-deductive testing, that there are indeed miracles. Once the general topic is won, then one can entertain the Annunciation and virgin birth as real possibilities. (And how astonishingly beautiful they are. Fra Angelico’s Annunciation in the Prado is almost worthy of that vision. But the real treasures of piety are older, such as in that ruin of a church in Istanbul, on the Bosphorus.)

    Now to return to your question. The Islamic position on the status of Jesus could not be more reverent. The epithet for Jesus, Ruh Allah, the breath or spirit of God, is unsurpassable. But to speak of Jesus as the son of God, is no more sensible than speaking of him as a debit in one’s bank account. Its not that it’s false. It doesn’t rise to that. It just doesn’t make any sense.

    Many of the concepts one needs to talk about Jesus and in general the sacred, to answer one’s curiosity and to focus one’s being, are ready to hand. The notion of the Trinity is not among them.

    A personal view, not part of any organized religion, but I hope it helps.

    • Replies: @PPB
  196. anon[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    > All high religious culture must eventually become monotheistic…

    If so, then scientific pantheism is the best religion of all, with no false dichotomy between natural and supernatural, because every allegedly “monotheistic” religion has to have a Great Satan deity, often portrayed as only slightly less powerful than the main deity, ruling over the natural world. It’s silly to call oneself a monotheist and believe in Old Scratch too.

    And true monotheism is embedded in America’s founding document, so it’s already traditional for the traditionalists who rightly like their religion as properly aged as their whiskey. Time to throw away old wineskins and break open this cask:

    • “Deus, sive Natura” (God, or Nature) –Spinoza
    • “Nature’s God” –Declaration of Independence

    “The Declaration of Independence, that extraordinary document first drafted by Thomas Jefferson, softly echoes Spinoza. John Locke, Spinoza’s contemporary — both were born in 1632 — is a more obvious influence on Jefferson than Spinoza was. But Locke had himself been influenced by Spinoza’s ideas…Locke’s library not only included all of Spinoza’s important works…Spinoza’s collected works were also in Jefferson’s library, so Spinoza’s impact may not just have been by way of Locke.”

    Reasonable Doubt | The New York Times, 2006

    • Replies: @AaronB
  197. @Jerome

    Listen to the Octet Mendelssohn wrote at the age of 17, tell me still that he is a mediocrity, and you will have condemned yourself out of your own mouth.

    As for Mahler though, I am with you 100%.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    , @Jerome
  198. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    Thanks. That makes sense.

    The issue of Oneness is not a trivial point. It goes to the very root of the spiritual quest.

    I can understand that many converts find this one issue decisive. Its no accident that the theme of Oneness was central to all of the higher religions East or West.

    To be fair to Christians, in their great days the best Christians also emphasized the Oneness of God, and it seems that only these days has that emphasis weakened.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Bassarab
  199. PPB says:
    @sarz

    Thank you, Sarz–

    As someone who doesn’t follow any particular religion, but admires and respects the essence of all genuine religion regardless of its outward expression, I always found the Christian doctrine of the Trinity to be somewhat rigid and contrived, and ultimately unnecessary– a weak point in Christian doctrine, and much narrower and therefore less powerful than your conception of Jesus as “a prime example of sacred being”. I can see that the Trinity might be one among several possible mythopoetic ways of highlighting different dimensions of divine activity, expression and transcendence as seen from a human perspective— and accordingly somewhat analogous to, or loosely congruent with, the Islamic paradigm of the Names of Allah— but not as something that is done justice by its fossilization into institutional dogma as an objective reality, or one that consists of separate persons (if “persons” means individuals instead of transparent masks).

  200. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    I agree.

    Multiplicity implies unity, and vice versa. Concepts exist as dyads.

    But I also think there is hierarchy. Romance, back to the theme here, seems to me a quest for Oneness – a quest to transcend duality.

    • Replies: @PPB
  201. Toy says:
    @RI

    Written by Saul of Tarsus, a pharisee.
    And what did Jesus say about the pharisees?
    “Beware the leaven of the pharisees.”
    Matthew 16:6.
    Would you like to know more?

  202. AaronB says:
    @anon

    Nature and the supernatural are terms that help us order our lives here in earth – ultimately, all is God’s creation.

    As I mentioned above, concepts exist as dyads – pantheism is true, but it is also true that God exists apart from creation.

    God is in all, but also outside.

    Similarly, the Eastern religions are not wrong when they describe God as the impersonal absolute – in Judaism, the highest level of God is also described as Nothing.

    But just as God must be beyond our conception in his essence, eternal and unchanging, he also must have a personal aspect that relates to us and is concerned with us.

    The East forgot to apply its own conception of non-duality – and stressed only one side of the dyad, the Nothing. Although in later Buddhism, this was corrected somewhat, and the personal was reintroduced in Tibetan Buddhism and Pure Land.

    Similarly with your pantheism. You have got hold of a part of Gods garment, and think you have it all. That’s a mistake. You have missed true Wholeness.

    So too with Satan and evil in general. They have no independent reality, and are not forces in their own right, opposing God. They exist as part of Gods plan, and it is our task to fight it and choose good.

    • Replies: @anon
  203. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    “But I also think there is hierarchy.”

    Certainly. There is that which exists autonomously and ab origine (if “exists” is even the right word in this context), and that which exists on a contingent and dependent basis.

    “Romance, back to the theme here, seems to me a quest for Oneness – a quest to transcend duality.”

    Could we say that it’s a quest, either conscious or unconscious, and instinctually driven in either event, to invoke and commune with Oneness through a particularized medium/media of that same Oneness? Maybe what I’m saying is that I’m not sure what anyone would call the “relationship” with that Oneness in its pure immediacy. Thus we have in these words a confession of ignorance playfully masquerading as pseudo-knowledge, and then resolving the pretense in a declaration of bankruptcy.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  204. PPB says:

    “Maybe what I’m saying is that I’m not sure what anyone would call the “relationship” with that Oneness in its pure immediacy.”

    This comment caused me to flash upon the possibility that the Christian doctrine of the Trinity may have been an attempt to “explicate this inexplicable”. But methinks they went a bridge too far.

  205. Franz says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Some Gnostic sects claimed to be guardians of a tradition secretly transmitted by Mary Magdalene, and the theme of her opposition to Peter (the first “Pope”) is widespread in Gnostic literature

    I actually knew one of them, a modern day gnostic. An Australian chief, about to retire when I was in the navy barely a year.

    His take was unique. Especially in the Pistes Sophia when Peter says, “Christ, tell this woman (Magdeline) to shut up, we can no longer endure her!”

    The idea is that there were two Christianities at war in the beginning, one Peter/Paul, the corrupt and infiltrated one, in full accord with Hebrew ideology in its hatred of the feminine. The other was a Magdelinian Christianity — a wisdom tradition, not a faith, and full of both love and techniques to activate and perfect it.

    So much would be explained if early “Christianity” could be seen as a hijacked sect, polluted by Roman power and custom made to allow Jewish infiltration into Europe.

    We can recover our souls now, because as of our century all the texts have been rediscovered.

  206. Vinteuil says:
    @Talha

    We know so little of Xenophanes (and all that we know is second hand) that it’s impossible to tell whether he belongs in the company of the immortals.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @PPB
  207. PPB says:
    @Vinteuil

    “it’s impossible to tell whether he belongs in the company of the immortals.”

    Which may be a good reason for asserting that he does. The less you can pin something down, the more likely it is to float 🙂

    At any rate, I suspect that many of the hoary “immortals” were mythical figures to begin with, or possibly individuals or composites who became legendary through the echo chamber of tradition and ensuing stream of collective projection, and by association and merging with preexisting archetypes. Not that any of the foregoing lessens the substance and value of what these myths and legends might have embodied and are still able to communicate.

    However, as far as I know, the existence of Mendelssohn and Mahler is well-documented, whether anyone wants to add them to the list of immortals or not, and whether or not Elvis’s perceived status as an immortal is now rapidly declining.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  208. @Laurent Guyénot

    Monsieur Guyenot, you really are a cuck. Support Alain Soral!!! Soral is very good friends with the black Dieudonne.

    France’s deadly illness is Zionism!!! No, France and the West’s deadliest illness is the cucked Western male (who is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim/gay) who allows Jews to live rent free in his kopf.

    Zionism means that the Jews want to have their own state. Fine, they have it. Now it is up to the West to take away citizenship from any Jews in the West so they will have to move to Israel.

    The supposed power Jews have comes from the insane anti-Semitism of cucks like you. Do you know who created the West? Caucasoids. Mongoloids and Negroids had nothing to do with the development of the West. Dieudonne is not a Western male. Jews and Muslims had nothing to do with the development of the West.

    Any nationalist party in any Western nation must state what and what the West is not.

    You will never do this. The Jews are an easy target. Have you ever told Muslims in France that Islam is a Christian heresy?

  209. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    > Satan and evil…exist as part of [Yahweh]’s plan

    So Yahweh is evil. We already knew that! And the Hebrew Bible admits it too. “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7) Hebrew theodicy solved!

    > it is our task to fight it

    Who are you to fight the Hebrew Yahweh’s plans for evil?

    p.s. I’m using the more proper term Yahweh for your Hebrew deity, instead of the Teutonic name Gawd-Gad-God-Gott-Gotin-Godin-Odin-Woden, since Yahweh despises God. (“But you who forsake Yahweh, who forget my holy mountain, who prepare a table for God…” Isaiah 65:11)

    • Replies: @AaronB
  210. Seraphim says:
    @PPB

    Trinity is a ‘mystery of faith’ revealed in the Scriptures (“all Scriptures are inspired by God”) and not a ‘contrived’ mental construct.

    Three is the first expression of ‘multiplicity in unity’ or ‘unity in multiplicity’. It is a ‘magic number’. The exponents of 3 treated ‘numerologically’ would give invariably 9, e.g. 3×3=9, 3x3x3=27 (2+7=9), 3x3x3x3=81 (8+1=9), 3x3x3x3x3=243 (2+4+3=9) and so on. 99 (9+9=18, 1+8=9).
    Nine is the number of fullness. Added or multiplied (9+9… or 9×9..) would give the same result 9.
    Same for the exponents of 6. Result 9.
    So, there is something about Trinity. Some don’t ‘get it’ and it doesn’t make sense to them (Jews, Muslims and their pseudo-Christian counterpart, the Unitarians) because they reject the Scriptures and their revelation that Jesus is God: “When the fullness of God’s self-revelation in Scripture is not taken into account, heresy is the result”.

    See how St. Gregory of Nazianzus (Gregory the Theologian) talks about Trinity:
    “This I commit unto you to-day; with this I will baptize you and make you grow. This I give you to share, and to defend all your life, the One Godhead and Power, found in the Three in Unity, and comprising the Three separately, not unequal, in substances or natures, neither increased nor diminished by superiorities or inferiorities; in every respect equal, in every respect the same; just as the beauty and the greatness of the heavens is one; the infinite conjunction of Three Infinite Ones, Each God when considered in Himself; as the Father so the Son, as the Son so the Holy Ghost; the Three One God when contemplated together; Each God because Consubstantial; One God because of the Monarchia. No sooner do I conceive of the One than I am illumined by the Splendor of the Three; no sooner do I distinguish them than I am carried back to the One. When I think of any One of the Three I think of Him as the Whole, and my eyes are filled, and the greater part of what I am thinking of escapes me. I cannot grasp the greatness of that One so as to attribute a greater greatness to the Rest. When I contemplate the Three together, I see but one torch, and cannot divide or measure out the Undivided Light”.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @SeekerofthePresence
  211. AaronB says:
    @anon

    We Jews refer to God as “the Name”, or sometimes just “The Holy One Blessed is He”, but God is English usage.

    Of course God created evil. Who else could have? Were you there when the foundations of the earth were laid, to contend with the Creator with your human understanding?

    According to Jewish tradition, God created evil so we humans could choose good and thus become worthy of dwelling with Him eternally.

    If you prefer Odin, you must realize that the Giants and the forces of evil and chaos will win in the end. Evil, in this system, is not only fully real and independent, but assured of ultimate victory. A grim lot, those old Goths.

    In Judaism, evil and chaos are not only not independent forces, but are assured of ultimate defeat in the end, and the world will be renewed entirely on the basis of good.

    Which will you choose – evil as provisional and temporary, serving a limited purpose, and ultimately defeated completely? Or evil as real and independent, serving no purpose at all but purely destructive, and ultimately assured of victory?

    Is it really any wonder that Christianity won out over Norse mythology?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Seraphim
  212. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    I do think romance is related to the spiritual quest, and mystics always used erotic symbolism. The Song of Songs in the OT uses romantic imagery symbolically.

    And yes, language isn’t really adequate to express the immediate experience, and at best, we can only use symbols.

    Also in a sense romance and spirituality are, at the highest levels, competitors, although at lower levels, they may, if done properly through marriage , strengthen each other.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  213. AaronB says:
    @Seraphim

    Interesting, I did not know so much OT was used in Orthodox service, thanks . And I certainly agree the Psalms are impressive in any and every language.

  214. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    > magic number

    Tada! Just like Mickey Mouse’s Kingdom!

    > the Scriptures and their revelation

    Good grief, it is no wonder there are so many atheists; you’re the one making them!

    “Indeed I think that every Christian sect gives a great handle to Atheism by their general dogma that, without a revelation, there would not be sufficient proof of the being of a god.” –Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, from Monticello, April 11, 1823

    > that Jesus is God

    Do tell where; that Popeye Passage? I Yam What I Yam and Dats What I Yam! Can’t deny the deity of Popeye either.

    “During his lifetime, Jesus himself didn’t call himself God and didn’t consider himself God, and … none of his disciples had any inkling at all that he was God.” –Bart Ehrman

    If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?
    Heard on Fresh Air | April 7, 2014
    https://www.npr.org/2014/04/07/300246095/if-jesus-never-called-himself-god-how-did-he-become-one

  215. Bassarab says:
    @AaronB

    The lonely god of unitarianism is devoid of love and community. It’s an aberrant form of existence.

  216. PPB says:

    “Three is the first expression of ‘multiplicity in unity’ or ‘unity in multiplicity’. It is a ‘magic number’.”

    That makes sense in its own way, although some might say that the number 1 is the first expression of multiplicity in unity, given that the Absolute is unquantifiable, and that once quantity exists, even as its most basic unit (1, signifying the self-recognition of the unquantifiable) all other quantities are implied thereby and therein. However, I don’t see fit to argue that either of these paradigms is the exclusively valid one.

    Regarding the quotation from St. Gregory— while I dimly intuit the truth behind his statements, they sound veiled in a peculiar way, as though they were directed at a small set of initiates who had the training to decipher them and render them transparent. For me there’s a cultural disconnect there, which doesn’t invalidate St. Gregory’s message by any means, but simply means that he and I have different native tongues, and that much gets lost in translation. I have the much the same challenge reading from the Koran, by the way.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  217. Vinteuil says:
    @PPB

    The less you can pin something down, the more likely it is to float

    Pretty much sums up continental “philosophy” after Kant.

  218. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    > Of course [Yahweh] created evil.

    Who else but a Jewish deity could have?

    > If you prefer Odin

    Odin, Godin, God, Gotin, Wotan, are just regional variations of the same name. Which variation do you prefer for common usage? I figure God, but, as I pointed out, and you totally ignored, your Yahweh hates God, and for that matter, so do you, as evidenced by your sneer, as follows:

    > Christianity won out over Norse mythology?

    Odd’n that you say that, since tomorrow the name of God/Odin/Wotan/etc. is honored on Woden’s Day, and the Nordern variation of his hallowed name is going to be spoken with your lips. And guess what? Yahweh’s gonna be pissed! “Thou shalt have no other Elohimz before me!” Wait….Elohim? Isn’t Elohim plural? Isn’t Elohim the plethora of Jewish deities in Genesis 1 who did the magic creation story to which you deceitfully referred to in the singular? Where is this monotheism that you speak of, anyway?

  219. Bassarab says:
    @AaronB

    How can a monopersonal god love from all eternity?

    As an eminent 20th century Orthodox theologian put it:

    “A monopersonal god would be neither a person nor God. He would lack perfection, for his omnipotence would not be united with goodness or with love. Would it even still be omnipotence once he became a despot who was incapable of loving relationship with other forms of existence? In this case, what would lead him to create another form of existence from nothing, and would he even be able to create? For why would he want to commune with an existence created in time? A monopersonal god would be like an impersonal essence subordinated to laws of evolution or emanation, laws inexplicable in their origin or their results.”

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @AaronB
  220. Hhsiii says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    Ha, y’all sound like Keaton in Manhattan. The Academy of the Overrated.

    But yup, Mendelssohn was pretty damn good. De gustibus non disputandum Est, yada yada, but let’s be serious.

    Who remembers that commercial with the actor from Dial M For Murder? “I’m sure you remember this lovely melody, Stranger in Paradise.but did you know it is actually from the Polovetsian Dance No.2 by Borodin?”

    I played a bunch of snippets for my 10 year old daughter tonight, and she recognizes many classics from cartoons and figure skating.

  221. Jerome says:
    @Old Palo Altan

    Mendelssohn is laughable. Ask any serious musician or music critique. But I understand where you’re coming from: in a cultural desert called Palo Alto, Mendelssohn may impress an uprooted American mind. And I applaud you for it: he’s still better than Prince or Lady Gaga.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  222. Seraphim says:
    @PPB

    The quotation is from the ‘Theological Orations’ preached publicly to all and sundry by Saint
    Gregory when he was Archbishop of Constantinople (379-381), in defense of the Nicaean Creed against the Arian, Eunomian and Macedonian heresies. That gained for their author the title of ‘The Theologian’, which he shares with S. John the Evangelist alone (and later on with Symeon the ‘New Theologian’, the great spiritual of the early 11th century). They were preached in Greek, of course, but that was the common language of all people in the Eastern parts of the Roman Empire, besides being the language of philosophy and culture for thousands of years, not of ‘initiates’.
    You are disconnected with Church History and cultural history of Europe, of course, but that is only partly your fault. American mindset is not conducive to culture.

    • Replies: @PPB
  223. Seraphim says:
    @AaronB

    You waste your time engaging in conversation with the ‘Anon’ troll. He is obviously mentally deranged.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @AaronB
  224. @PPB

    Well, you learn to work with it, women make the rules after all, but I liked it better the old way, let a chick in the car first, hold her coat, chair, my old man raised us gentlemen. And the women went and ruined it. More guys get laughed at, mocked, for sending flowers than are appreciated for it. For twenty years I’ve been hearing these broads in the offices I travel when they get flowers from some sap. They all have a good laugh. It’s a commodity, the pooze, and every chick is playing the game today.

    Romance? Dead. Chivalry? Don’t be a fool. And never, ever send flowers, heh.

  225. Seraphim says:
    @Bassarab

    Father Stăniloae?

    • Replies: @Bassarab
  226. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    You’re psychologically projecting again; only mentally deranged coons make claims like you have:

    Seraphim says:
    October 23, 2018 at 7:10 pm GMT

    The irony is that the ‘white’ people ar [sic] actually blacks discolored. It is a genetical defect which affects their brain too, whence their limited capacity of comprehension of the world surrounding them.

  227. PPB says:
    @Seraphim

    Will my status as an uncultured American give me the authority to state that being informed by culture may be admirable and enviable, but remaining embedded within culture might be less so?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  228. Bassarab says:
    @Seraphim

    Yes, from his book on the Trinity. A holy man and a great mind. Hopefully to be canonized soon.

  229. Seraphim says:
    @AaronB

    It should be stressed that the Song of Songs is the only book that has been consistently interpreted allegorically and the notion that the Song of Songs should be understood in its plain normal sense has been firmly resisted throughout most of history, both in the Hebrew and Christian traditions. In the Christian Church the stand of Theodore of Mopsuestia that the Song of Songs should be read in its plain sense as an erotic song was roundly condemned as heresy by the Second Council of Constantinople in A.D. 553. It has a special place in the hermeneutics of the Scriptures.
    The ‘Commentary on the Song of Songs’ of Saint Gregory of Nyssa, the brother of Sait Basil the Great and one of the ‘Fathers of the Church’ (as his ‘The Life of Moses’) is a ‘manual of spiritual life’, describing the ascent of the soul to God. They are a set of 15 homilies delivered “in the presence of the assembly” (ἐπ’ ἐκκλησίας) and “during the days of fasting” (κατὰτὰςἡμέραςτῶννηστειῶν) i.e. originally addressed to the regular congregation at Nyssa in the season of Lent, to give direction “to more fleshly folk for the sake of the spiritual and immaterial welfare of their souls.” The “way” that his homilies discern as the theme of the Song of Songs is not a way reserved for the “advanced” but one that is meant to be trodden by all serious Christians.

    • Replies: @anon
  230. Seraphim says:
    @PPB

    I was unable to decipher your riddle.

  231. niceland says:

    If you consider yourself Christian , you are already waste deep in the ideological Jewish swamp. You lend credibility to ancient fairy tales supporting their narrative of history. By discussing it, criticizing some aspects of it you are indicating some other areas (what you agree with) are relevant, true or even factual. You are buying into the very same ideas, only slightly differently. And by doing so you are supporting the whole narrative.

    The problem is – it’s all bullshit. Organized religion is clearly just another tool to control the masses. It’s been used to justify atrocities, usury, slavery, murders and land grab ad infinitum.

    The whole Christian nonsense probably stagnated Europe for centuries and only after the enlightenment it managed to break down religious power and the continent took off and started to blossom. In spite of – not because – of Christianity!

    The more I read about the Mediterranean religions, Christianity, Judaism and Islam – the more I like what little is known about the Nordic/German pagan way of life. Much of today’s current wisdom about them is clearly wrong. Propaganda made up by christian bullshitters.

    Needless to say I avoid religion like the plague.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  232. Precious says:

    In Numbers 31, Moses ordered his men to slaughter all the Midianites, because they had persuaded the Israelites to intermarry with the Moabites.

    I respectfully disagree with everything you read and inferred about the Numbers passage you discuss. First, the slaughter of the Midianites was not due to intermarriage of Moabites.

    Numbers chapter 25
    While Israel was staying in Shittim, the men began to indulge in sexual immorality with Moabite women, 2 who invited them to the sacrifices to their gods. The people ate the sacrificial meal and bowed down before these gods. 3 So Israel yoked themselves to the Baal of Peor. And the Lord’s anger burned against them.

    It was the breaking of the first commandment that angered God. This is re-iterated…

    16 The Lord said to Moses, 17 “Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them. 18 They treated you as enemies when they deceived you in the Peor incident

    The women used seduction to get Israelite men to have sex with them and then worship other gods. Not just Moabite women either, Midianite women were involved as well:

    6 Then an Israelite man brought into the camp a Midianite woman right before the eyes of Moses…8 and followed the Israelite into the tent. He drove the spear into both of them, right through the Israelite man and into the woman’s stomach. Then the plague against the Israelites was stopped;

    “Why have you spared the life of all the women? They were the very ones who […] caused the Israelites to be unfaithful to Yahweh.” He compromised: “So kill all the male children and kill all the women who have ever slept with a man; but spare the lives of the young girls who have never slept with a man, and keep them for yourselves.” At the end of the day, the booty amounted to thousands of sheep, goats, cattle, donkeys, “and in persons, women who had never slept with a man, thirty-two thousand in all.” Since no age is specified, and since girls were married very young in nomadic societies, we can guess that the 32,000 girls taken as human booty were mostly children. Nothing is said of their fate, but the very criterion of their selection (having never slept with a man) leaves us in no doubt about their utility. They were certainly not taken as wives, since the whole story is about the prohibition of marrying non-Jews. So we have here, I think, an unmistakable biblical precedent for the sexual enslavement of Gentile girls on a massive scale.

    The phrase “keep them for yourselves” is understood as a contrast to what they did to the rest of the captives, killing them was offering them to YHWH. The women are taken captive but as Moses points out the women are guilty. All the women are slaughtered except for those young girls who were obviously not involved because they were too young (aka prepubescent). This would be easy to do since ancient cultures would have virgins wear certain clothing or other adornments.

    Quoting Carol Meyers on this topic…This incident is hardly an expression of lascivious male behavior; rather, it reflects the desperate need for women of childbearing age, a need so extreme that the utter destruction of the Midianite foes—and the prevention of death by plague—as required by the law of the herem could be waived in the interest of sparing the young women. The Israelites weighed the life-death balance, and the need for females of childbearing age took precedence.

    The girls were forcibly adopted into families but are too young to be married off…so they were raised in the families they were adopted into until they were old enough to be married off within Israelite society.

  233. sarz says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    …[Mary] is supposed to have ascended bodily to heaven…

    Oh, thanks for this little note. It completes something for me.

    A certain sect of Tibetan buddhists aspire to a form of bodhisattva-hood called taking rainbow body. Their passing is affirmed by a rainbow in a cloudless sky. In an instance I heard of, the great soul had instructed his associates to wrap up his body and store it away for two months. When they opened the wrappings, there was only hair and fungernails. It is called “going back into the light.” Those who take rainbow body are different from other enlightened spirits in that they can appear to people without being asked. (Among the other sorts of saints there are those whose bodies are put away in a state of ‘samadhi’. As some people are allowed to see, saints who go into ‘samadhi’ are undecomposed after hundreds of years, very very thin, but with long hair and fingernails.)

    Jesus is supposed, to mention but one instance, to have thus appeared in medieval Japan to someone who had never heard of him. I asked the Dalai Lama if he thought the disappearance of Jesus’s body and then his appearance on the road to Emmaus and the evidence of the Turin shroud pointed to rainbow body. But he said, sadly, he was not expert in the subject and referred me on to someone in the Nyingma sect, whose belief and practice this is. (The question got lost somewhere.)

    Mary means so much to so many that it is a real blessing to get your note.

    “When I find myself in times of trouble…”

  234. Precious says:

    Although the author of Acts belittles the Ephesians’ concern as purely economic, this was a religious conflict. It lasted several centuries, and in 401 the Temple of Artemis was burned by Christians. Thirty years later, the Eastern Roman emperor Theodosius II convened at Ephesus a council, at which the title Theotokos was officially bequeathed to the Virgin Mary. And so Artemis was given back to the Ephesians, only under a different identity. The pilgrims who had converged to Ephesus for centuries to pay homage to Artemis could now pray in front of the same statues and walk the same torchlight processions.

    I also respectfully take issue with the italics section as well as the implication that this was done to just placate the pagans.

    I went and looked up the first time in the historical record that Mary was called “God-bearing”, “God-bearer” or “Mother of God” which is what theotokos means. There is one reference dating back to late 2nd century AD, and plenty of references in the third century. So over 200 years before a Roman emperor convened a council, Mary was “officially” being referred to as God-bearer.

    So no, Christians were not planning in advance how to placate pilgrims to Ephesus nine or ten generations before it was necessary.* Instead, Christians were actually taking their claim that Jesus was God very seriously, and to take it very seriously they had to address the questions of just how exactly God becomes a man. They came up with answers including the answer that Jesus was God but he was also a man like all others. And as a man he was born of a woman and that woman was a God-bearer. Artemis was a non-factor in all of this reasoning.

    *And why exactly would they think it was necessary? They were perfectly willing to have a civil war over Arianism.

  235. Malacaay says:

    First thing you must know is that you are no Westerners. The West fell in 476 AD. The East in 1453 AD. We are talking about Roman Imperium which was divided into western and eastern halves by some imperators, while some other imperators removed that administrative division before the 5th century. Whoever has been telling you that you are westerners, has been lying to you, like this le French person.

  236. Malacaay says:
    @Rational

    You have no idea what you are talking about, you fake amero clown. There is not a single instance of pornographic display in whole of Old Testament.

  237. Malacaay says:
    @Franz

    Wanted to commend your many lucid thoughts, but it ended up as on the opposite end somehow. Christianity is degeneracy. It is no solution to anything.

    • Replies: @Franz
  238. Malacaay says:
    @Toy

    You ignorant clown, the Old Testament is the only thing of worth in all of the Bible. It’s not only repository of ancient knowledge which goes back thousands of years, probably the world’s oldest, but it is also a testament of common sense thinking. You can stick to your “turn the other cheek” morality of New Testament. Smart people will stick to “an eye for an eye” morality of the Old Testament, and we shall in the end of the day which ones will stand upright as free men with free mind and which ones will be slaves; and also whose constructs of social standings will endure and stay standing, and whose will crumble under the weight of degeneracy, inherent contradiction and spawned anti-natural order of things like a tower of cards before a mild gust of wind. Clown, your world is crumbling after mere 60 years, and it would have collapsed completely by now if not for currency conjuring of which you can purchase goods and resources all around the world. That is the only reason you have not collapsed totally yet. Remove exploitation and ruin of nature to fuel your comforting mods of life, and all fake western societies collapse instantly. Ask yourself then how long can the masonic order really endure and how much ruin, destruction and wreckage will leave behind when it does. New Testament is a collection of lies, deceits, forgeries and contradictions written centuries after fictional character Jesus had apparently died.

    • Replies: @Toy
    , @Robjil
  239. Malacaay says:
    @gotmituns

    Arian Christianity is no way to practice Christianity. And you mean Germanics, some Germanic tribes in the ancient time adopted that Arian teachings then they adopted Christianity. Not Germans. Germans 70 years ago in Nazi time were atheists. Arianism is a theological doctrine that Jesus was created by the God. Simpleton, the Trinity in Christianity was derived from the ancient Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian and other pagan beliefs by the Christian followers centuries after Jesus’ death.

    In the ancient Sumer, the universe was divided into three regions each of which became the domain of a god. Anu’s share was the sky. The earth was given to Enlil. Ea became the ruler of the waters. Together they constituted the triad of the great gods.

    The ancient Babylonians recognized the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god, as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity.

    The Hymn to Amun decreed that ‘No god came into being before him (Amun)’ and that ‘all gods are three: Amun, Re and Ptah, and there is no second to them. Hidden is his name as Amon, he is Re in face, and his body is Ptah.’ . . . This is a trinity: the three chief gods of Egypt subsumed into one of them, Amon.

    In the Fourth Century B.C. Aristotle wrote: ‘All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity.”

    The Puranas from 3,000 years ago contain the following passage, “O ye three Lords! know that I recognize only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.” The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva.

    This is where Trinity came from. Now if you want to really practice Christianity, you practice Christianity by stating which teachings do you follow: Old Testament ones or the New Testament one. They are in contradiction with each other. I prefer the Old Testament. Libtards would be crucified for their sins against God and crimes against nature.

  240. Seraphim says:
    @niceland

    The ‘Nordic/German pagan way of life’ was a religion too! Avoid it.

    • Replies: @anon
  241. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Toy

    Have you ever read the Manu?? How do you reconcile with a supposed religion that categorizes people into castes and sub castes with the lowest ones barely human. They were shat on (quite literally) for many many centuries and we’re treated worse than cattle

    It’s precisely why dot Indians are so scheming, highly collectivist believing in collective punishment and their priestly caste so very similar to the jews with their extreme love of money, extreme clannishness, high IQ and high corrupt ability with a thin veneer of pretense to hide the dirty underbelly

    • Replies: @Toy
  242. sarz says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    It’s not at all credible that you avoid professional antisemites. So what are you doing here? Or are you trying to say we should be working harder?

    Let me put in my mite. “Antiphariseeite” gets my considered professional aporoval as the improved label.

  243. Toy says:
    @Malacaay

    Bla bla bla thanks rabbi.
    But even the Old Testament is a cum cocktail comprising cheap jewish knock offs of older and better Indo-European legends, myths, and theology.
    I’d rather stick with the originals you imitation kike. Shalom.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  244. Ber says:

    The Bible is not real history: Israeli Founder Contests Founding Myths

    The Torah (or Old Testament) is a master work of literature and faith, but it tells many mythological tales that have little or no basis in real history, as Uri Avnery, one of Israel’s founders, has had the courage to declare, with an introduction from retired U.S. diplomat William R. Polk.

    By William R. Polk

    [MORE]

    January 03, 2015 “ICH” – The speech below is from the great Israeli commentator Uri Avnery, a former Irgun terrorist who fought for the creation of Israel; he also was a member of the Israeli parliament. What he has to say is not exactly new. Much of it has been pointed out by many of us historians for a long time and by other Israeli scholars.

    The political effects of the myth on the creation of Israel are laid out by Shlomo Sand in his The Invention of the Jewish People and On the Nation and the Jewish People. But since neither the reality nor the critique of the myth is known to many, even practicing Jews, and what we know to be factual is firmly disbelieved by many, even practicing Christians, and because, like many religious myths, it can be lethal, the story deserves attention.

    We are having enough trouble trying to make peace without being blindsided by myths. So I welcome having the myths treated as they should be treated, as myths, openly by a hero of the Israeli nation. Only if much of the imagination about the past and much of the basis of current ideology can be cleared away do we have a chance.

    Uri Avnery’s keynote speech at Israel’s Kinneret College conference on “the Rock of our Existence – the connection between Archeology and Ideology”:

    First of all, let me thank you for inviting me to address this important conference. I am neither a professor nor a doctor. Indeed, the highest academic title I ever achieved was SEC (Seventh Elementary Class). But like many members of my generation, from early youth I took a profound interest in archeology. I shall try to explain why.

    When asking themselves about my connection with archeology, some of you will think about Moshe Dayan. After the June 1967 war, Dayan was a national – even international – idol. He was also known for his obsession with archeology.

    My magazine, “Haolam Hazeh,” investigated his activities and found that they were highly destructive. He started digging alone and collecting artifacts all over the country. Since the primary aim of archeology is not simply to discover artifacts but also to date them, and thus to put together a picture of the consecutive history of the site, Dayan’s uncontrolled digging created havoc. The fact that he used army resources only worsened matters.

    Then we discovered that not only did Dayan expropriate the artifacts which he found (which by law belonged to the state) and stock them at his home, but he had also become an international dealer, getting rich by selling articles “from the personal collection of Moshe Dayan.”

    Publishing these facts and speaking about them in the Knesset bestowed on me a singular distinction. At the time, a public opinion institute identified every year the “most hated person” in Israel. That year, I attained that honor.

    However, the important question does not concern Dayan’s morals but a much more profound matter: Why were Dayan and so many of us at the time concerned with archeology, a science considered by many people as a rather dreary business? It held for us a profound fascination.

    That Zionist generation was the first one born in the country (though I myself was born in Germany). For their parents, Palestine was an abstract homeland, a land they had dreamed about in the synagogues of Poland and Ukraine. For their native-born sons and daughters it was a natural homeland. They were yearning for roots. They trekked to every corner, spent nights around a campfire, came to know every hill and valley.

    For them, the Talmud and all the religious texts were a bore. The Talmud and other scriptures had sustained the Jews in the Diaspora for centuries, but evoked no interest here. The new generation embraced the Hebrew Bible with unbounded enthusiasm, not as a religious book (almost all of us were atheists) but as an unequalled masterpiece of Hebrew literature.

    Since they were also the first generation for whom the rejuvenated Hebrew was their mother tongue, they fell in love with the lively, concrete Biblical Hebrew language. The much more sophisticated, abstract language of the Talmud and other later books repelled them.

    The Biblical events had taken place in the country they knew. The Biblical battles had been fought in the valleys they knew, the kings had been crowned and buried in the localities they knew intimately.

    They had looked at night at the stars of Megiddo, where the Egyptians had fought the first recorded battle in history (and where, according to the Christian New Testament, the last battle – the battle of Armageddon – will take place). They stood on Mount Carmel, where the prophet Elias had slaughtered the priests of Baal. They had visited Hebron, where Abraham had been buried by his two sons, Ishmael and Isaac, fathers of the Arabs and the Jews.

    This passionate attachment to the country was by no means preordained. Indeed, Palestine played no role in the birth of modern political Zionism. As I have mentioned before, the founding father, Theodor Herzl, did not think about Palestine when he invented what became known as Zionism. He hated Palestine and its climate. Especially he hated Jerusalem, which to him was a foul and dirty town.

    In the first draft of his idea, which was addressed to the Rothschild family, the land of his dream was Patagonia, in Argentina. There, in recent times, a genocide had taken place, and the land was almost empty. It was only the sentiments of the Jewish masses in Eastern Europe that compelled Herzl to redirect his efforts towards Palestine. In his founding book, Der Judenstaat (“the Jewish State”), the relevant chapter is less than a page long and entitled “Palestine or Argentina.” The Arab population is not mentioned at all.

    Once the Zionist movement directed its thoughts towards Palestine, the ancient history of this country became a hot issue. The Zionist claim to Palestine was solely based on the Biblical history of the Exodus, the conquest of Canaan, the kingdoms of Saul, David and Solomon and the events of those times. Since almost all the founding fathers were avowed atheists, they could hardly base themselves on the “fact” the God had personally promised the land to the seed of Abraham.

    So, with the coming of the Zionists to Palestine, a frantic archeological search started. The country was combed for real, scientific proof that the Biblical story was not just a bunch of myths, but real honest-to-God history. (Pun intended.) Christian Zionists came even earlier.

    There started a veritable attack on archeological sites. The upper layers of Ottoman and Mamelukes, Arabs and Crusaders, Byzantines and Romans and Greeks and Persians were uncovered and removed in order to lay bare the ancient layer of the Children of Israel and to prove the Bible right.

    Huge efforts were made. David Ben-Gurion, a self-appointed Biblical scholar, led the effort. The Chief of Staff of the army, Yigael Yadin, the son of an archeologist, and himself a professional archeologist, searched ancient sites to prove that the Conquest of Canaan really happened. Alas, no proof.

    When remnants of the bones of Bar Kochba’s fighters were discovered in Judean desert caves, they were buried on Ben-Gurion’s orders in a big military ceremony. The uncontested fact that Bar Kochba had caused perhaps the greatest catastrophe in Jewish history was glossed over.

    And the result? Incredible as it sounds, four generations of devoted archeologists, with a burning conviction and huge resources, did produce exactly: Nothing.

    From the beginning of the effort to this very day, not a single piece of evidence of the ancient history was found. Not a single indication that the exodus from Egypt, the basis of Jewish history, ever happened. Nor of the 40 years of wandering in the desert. No evidence of the conquest of Canaan, as described at length in the Book of Joshua. The mighty King David, whose kingdom extended – according to the Bible – from the Sinai peninsula to the north of Syria, did not leave a trace. (Lately an inscription with the name David was discovered, but with no indication that this David was a king.)

    Israel appears for the first time in sound archeological findings in Assyrian inscriptions, which describe a coalition of local kingdoms which tried to stop the Assyrian advance into Syria. Among others, King Ahab of Israel is mentioned as the chief of a considerable military contingent. Ahab, who ruled today’s Samaria (in the north of the occupied West Bank) from 871 BC until 852 BC was not beloved by God, though the Bible describes him as a war hero. He marks the beginning of the entry of Israel into proven history.

    All these are negative pieces of evidence suggesting that the early Biblical story is invented. Since practically no trace whatsoever of the early Biblical story has been found, does this prove that it is all fiction? Perhaps not. But real proof does exist.

    Egyptology is a scientific discipline that is separate from Palestinian archeology. But Egyptology proves conclusively that the Biblical history until King Ahab is indeed fiction.

    Up to now, many tens of thousands of Egyptian documents have been deciphered, and the work is still going on. After the Hyksos from Asia invaded Egypt in 1730 BC, the Pharaohs of Egypt took very great pains to watch the happenings in Palestine and Syria. Year after year, Egyptian spies, traders and soldiers reported in great detail on events in every town of Canaan. Not a single item has been found, telling of anything remotely resembling Biblical events. (A single mention of “Israel” on an Egyptian stele is believed to refer to a small territory in the south of Palestine.)

    Even if one would like to believe that the Bible only exaggerates real events, the fact is that not even a tiny mention of the exodus, the conquest of Canaan or King David has been found. They just did not happen.

    Is this important? Yes and no. The Bible is not real history. It is a monumental religious and literary document, that has inspired untold millions throughout the centuries. It has formed the minds of many generations of Jews, Christians and Muslims.

    But history is something else. History tells us what really happened. Archeology is a tool of history, an invaluable tool for the understanding of what took place. These are two different disciplines, and never the twain shall meet.

    For the religious, the Bible is a matter of belief. For non-believers, the Hebrew Bible is a great work of art, perhaps the greatest of all. Archeology is something entirely different: a matter of sober, proven facts.

    Israeli schools teach the Bible as real history. This means that Israeli children learn only its chapters, true or fictitious. When I once complained about this in a Knesset speech, demanding that the full history of the country throughout the ages be taught, including the chapters of the Crusades and the Mamelukes, the then minister of education started to call me “the Mameluke.”

    I still believe that every child in this country, Israeli and Palestinian, should learn its full history, from the earliest days to this day, with all its layers. It is the basis of peace, the real Rock Of Our Existence.

  245. Toy says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s because you got Indians running the show. Yes, I know India is a shambolic rubbish dump of a country. My Ayran cousins are to blame. They just couldn’t keep it in their pants.
    Decadent civilizations in their downfall create huge plumes of karmic pollution. These wicked souls create a demand for fitting vessels to house them. That is why God created tbe darker races. The more you sin the darker humanity becomes.
    I’m sorry. We Whites should really know better. We are the standard bearers of morality and empathy. The more we exemplify it, the more we, and others reincarnate white. I predict a massive wave of darkies as boomers reincarnate.
    But don’t lose hope. In the Bhagavad Gita it says that no one who does good will ever come to a bad end. God is watching you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  246. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    You’re the typical Jew-worshiper seething with hatred of indigenous European culture.

  247. Robjil says:
    @Malacaay

    The Tanakh is the reason for the endless wars in the last 100 years.

    For that reason alone, it should be hidden away on a high shelf.

    Purim

    1917-1st Russian Revolution happened on Purim

    1946- hanging of ten National Socialists- represent ten sons of Haman

    1953- Stalin poisoned on Purim

    1991- War on Iraq ended on Purim

    2003- War on Iraq started on Purim

    2011- War on Libya started on Purim

    Seven Nations to Destroy from Deut. 7.1-2

    WWI to get the Balfour Declaration

    WWII to get Israel

    WWIII to get Eretz Yisrael

    Nothing related to the New Testament in these wars. The New Testament is obviously a better book, a new improved book. The Tanakh/ OT should be keep under lock and key on a high shelf to stop warmongering on our beautiful planet.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  248. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    > the notion that the Song of Songs should be understood in its plain normal sense

    It’s funny how quickly the biblebangers abandon the plain meaning of the word when it goes against their anti-reality, make-believe notions.

    My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my (•)(•)
    Your two (o)(o) are like twin fawns
    My beloved thrust his hand through the ({}); my heart began to pound for him
    We have a young sister, and her \· · / are not yet grown
    I am a wall, and my ( >Y>) are like towers

    –Song of Songs 1:13, 4:5, 5:4, 8:8, and 8:10

    A better understanding of Song of Songs comes from Paul Haupt, a Semitic scholar and a pioneer of Assyriology at John Hopkins University, as follows:

    The Song of Songs is neither allegorical, nor typical, nor dramatic; indeed, it is not the work of one poet but a collection of popular love-songs, probably made in the neighborhood of Damascus, after the beginning of the Seleucidan era (312 B.C.)…

    Difficult Passages in the Song of Songs
    Author(s): Paul Haupt
    Source: Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 21, No. 1 (1902), pp. 51-73
    Published by: The Society of Biblical Literature
    https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/jbl/1902_haupt.pdf

    And you’re still trying to crucify the goddess, Jew-worshiper.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  249. @PPB

    I agree with you that generalizations are not allowed. It is not allowed to curse a social group as a whole, because there are always differences at the individual level, but as readers of Unz Review or Mintpress we should know what is going on in the world at the moment, a world which is – I use your words – “under the grip” of… I need not finish the sentence. By the way, isn’t that grip the cause of the revival of outdated religious traditions and even power which otherwise would have disappeared long ago?

  250. Malacaay says:
    @Toy

    Old Testament is describing history which predates the birth of Habirus or Apirus or Jews as you know them. Jews must have gotten it from somewhere… from other people who lived nearby and enlisted it in their book. Stories of Old Testament are not Jewish, fake amero clown. Not the old ones for sure, and I reckon many other things parading as Jewish there are not of Jewish origin.

  251. @anon

    The Song of Songs is a racy love poem, nothing else.

    The Catholic Church exalts celibacy to the point that in its early years it encouraged married couples to be celibate. The supposed perpetual virginity of the very married Mary is a reflection of their obsession.

  252. Malacaay says:
    @Robjil

    The reason for the wars was the creation of masonic world order. As for New Testament, as I said, clown, it is a collection of lies, forgeries, myths and other stories born centuries after death of fictional character Jesus. Something of fiction can only be an “improvement” over something real in the heads of imbeciles. Old Testament is describing some major events covering thousands of years. New Testament is covering fictional stories written by low IQ Christers who couldn’t even keep their lies from contradicting themselves over and over again. New Testament is no better than Song of Ice and Fire. Christers destroyed that religion. Good riddance.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  253. GGH says:

    So Epstein is following in a noble tradition it seems.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  254. @Laurent Guyénot

    Regarding the relation between psychology and spirituality: For me, spirituality is the Self-determined inner voice. It is the complement to rationality. Its role is to control rationality, because rationality is value-neutral and therefore prone to error and lack of ethics. The role of psychology is to pave the way to spirituality.

    Regarding the relation between psychology and religion: For me, another element of religion, Christian religion, is relevant: forgiveness, pardon. This morning, my wife detected the following sentence from Madame de Staël on the leaflet of her calender: To understand is to pardon. Psychology helps us to understand, or at lest to guess, the psychic constraints to which a person is exposed and to react with restraint to her attacks or to pardon her (see the angel of Delacroix on my website or directly in St Sulpice).

    “…the denial of the individual soul” – Yes, I agree absolutely. That is the problem.

    “…collective immortality..” – This is an interesting remark. For lack of time, I must stop here for today. I shall come back on this remark tomorrow. I like very much this discussion.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  255. Malacaay says:
    @GGH

    Epstein would be executed in the manner which most of people would consider repulsive for their liberal snowflake-like feelings and unbalanced emotions if Old Testament would be applied in judgement of that pedophile’s crimes. So would the liberals presenting themselves as “Jews” inhabiting Israel. This is according to Jewish law: Leviticus.20:13: “And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination:they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” This is observed: “Tel Aviv’s gay community stands at about 25%, meaning that out of the 400,000 people in the city, over 100,000 identify as homosexuals. A survey published the day before Tel Aviv’s 2017 Pride parade revealed that 79% of Israelis support same-sex marriage or civil unions.”

    https://theculturetrip.com/middle-east/israel/articles/why-tel-aviv-is-one-of-the-most-lgbt-friendly-cities-in-the-world/

  256. Vive la France!

    Rodin, Study for “La France”

    France–fertile land of noble beauty.

    May her spirit live on.

  257. @Laurent Guyénot

    Oh, come on Laurent. There is nothing “academic” about CE/BCE: it’s pure PC, not a shred of logic. If people want to use Jewish or Aztec time counting, let them. But to use a system based on Christ’s birth (even if fictional) and change verbiage to pretend it’s not, is pure bullshit. “AD” is just as much acceptable convention as is “CE”. Rejecting the former betrays political preference, so Alden’s got a point.

    • Replies: @anon
  258. Robjil says:
    @Malacaay

    The world wishes it was so, that it was only the masonic world order. Then there would be no censorship mania at all about that and the world could easily solved that problem.

    In the real world, there is massive censorship mania going on because it is the J? Zion world order that is at the top of the human species at this moment of time. Sun Tzu’s Art of War would have never thought of this war policy – “make it a “crime” to notice what the biggies ruling us are doing and who they are”.

    Aldous Huxley mentioned that Darwin said the following: The human species is led by top humans who are wild. They need to be tamed by an alien species. They will always remain wild as they go to top unless tamed.

    We have the internet to tame our top people. Yet, they cry out in pain. “We do not want to be tamed. We want to be wild forever”. This policy of “No see-um or talk about-um” at the top of human species is destroying our planet faster than Climate Change.

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4764706

    Here a bit about the top of human species promoting wars like wild creatures that they are.

    In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history. They believe that the

  259. AaronB says:
    @Bassarab

    I don’t want to criticize Christianity too much, but I will note there is a basic qualitative difference between the Trinity and the conception of God I am describing.

    A relationship between three distinct personalities is good, but it isn’t the awe inspiring, majestic conception of the All, the ultimate and mysterious foundation of Reality, that I believe alone should be the object of our worship.

    To limit and delimit the Divine in this fashion – or to say he is lonely, or that he “is” Love – seems, to me, to fall short of the true conception of the full majesty of the Divine.

    This is why the great mystics of Christianity described the Divine as Nothing, because to limit him in any fashion seems like sacrilege. In the OT God is left as utterly mysterious in his essence, and as all encompassing and the very foundation of everything. His relations with humans are indeed described, but no limits are set upon him.

    It is hard to talk about God in positive fashion – Faith and connection are what are required.

    I wonder if the greater specificity of the Christian conception of God, the greater physicality, paved the way to materialism in an unforeseen and tragic fashion.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Seraphim
  260. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Parsnipitous

    > Rejecting the former betrays political preference

    What a delicate snowflake you are, melting at the slightest PC offense. Meanwhile, in reality land, the astronomer Johannes Kepler first used the term in 1615. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era#Vulgar_Era

    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
  261. AaronB says:
    @Seraphim

    Someone has to reconvert the pagans 🙂

    It is interesting that a pagan shows up here and naturally defines evil as an independent and truly existing force, that actually has a chance of winning, and celebrates a mythology that depicts the final triumph of evil.

    In a sense, to see evil as an independent force not subject to God is to suspect it may actually finally win out in the end.

    These poor pagans need rescuing from this despairing belief.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @anon
  262. @Jerome

    Well, you’ve condemned yourself out of your own mouth, and I’ll bet you didn’t even bother to listen to that wonderful work. I suspect that you are simply incapable of admitting that a Jew (which Mendelssohn was by blood only) can possess true genius. Ignoble of you.

    Where are you from I wonder? Palo Alto a cultural desert? It may possibly be so now, like most of the cucked West, European or American, but it certainly wasn’t when I last lived there, which was over fifty years ago (I have lived in Europe since 1979). You might have heard of Stanford University and its Hoover Institution (my haunt even as a boy of 12) and perhaps even of San Francisco and its excellent orchestra, in my day under the magisterial baton of Josef Krips (oops, another Jew)?
    Some culture, some desert.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  263. @Montefrío

    Thanks so much again. Love the Six-S Way.
    And easier to remember than the Eight-Fold Path.
    The Six-S Way actually played an essential role in my search for God.
    A favorite movie scene is the “Life of Musashi,” where he is locked in an attic full of books which lead him to devotion to Amida Buddha. Hence #1, Study.

    Will be ordering Bohm and “Huang Po” today.
    Suspect Bohm would have been a favorite pupil of the latter, as both were known for breaking down barriers. “Break on through to the other side.”
    Have always been interested in quantum theory; phenomena like entanglement and tunneling suggest the dualism which has characterized Western philosophy, religion, and science may be false, or at least greatly lacking.

    Huang Po, “Mind is the Buddha.”
    Paul, “But we have the mind of Christ.” 1Cor. 2:16 NKJV

    Very much look forward to publication of the Six-S Way.
    It will be a blessing to many readers.

    Hope the plum trees are fine!

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  264. Franz says:
    @Malacaay

    Christianity is degeneracy. It is no solution to anything.

    As it is, you are most correct.

    Never forget Augustine’s pertinent quote: “Christianity is the oldest religion in the world. There was never a time it did not exist.”

    Even granting Augustine was a bit of a loose cannon, what in blazes did he mean?

    Easy: Augustine wrote, taught and lived when Christ mattered, and Canaan did not factor into the story in any way. All the tales of the Hebrew prophets and “heroes” was not in there yet. Even centuries later they were ignored. Rome never made the Hebrew “old testament” part of the mix until very. very late. Even then it took generations to penetrate. When Cecil B. De Mille made Samson and Delilah in 1949, it was still news to most Christians. Although CB was good at his craft; it was the highest grossing film of ’49.

    Magdalene was always seen as a red-headed Greek, which made her an obvious sectarian leader of a Greco-Roman cult. Peter came late, and it shows in his temper. Add his stupidity to Saul/Paul’s perfidy and the European Christ (“king”) became compromised. But it didn’t take very quickly, not for many centuries.

    George Ivanovic Gurdjieff noted that “Christians took all their good ideas from Greek gods and then spoiled the lot.” It can still be unspoiled. After the plutocrats were evicted, many Orthodox Russians reverted to calling Christ their “White Czar” — a strong step in the right direction. Make Christ local, relevant, and European.

    Augustine was right. Christ is the perfect European man, and recovering him from the Zionist occupation faith will make him useful again. And sever our ties to the anus of the world.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  265. @anon

    Reply to Bart Ehrman,

    ‘And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”’ John 20:28 NKJV

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  266. @anon

    You’re an idiot. I was making a logical point, not melting. So Kepler is ultimate authority? Again, political preference, Mr. “anon”.

  267. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    > described the Divine as Nothing

    That’s not hard to argue, and certainly takes no mystic to come to that conclusion. Thing is, it’s masked atheism.

    “To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But a heresy it certainly is.”

    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820
    https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/98-01-02-1458

    > the way to materialism in an unforeseen and tragic fashion

    Oh, the tragedy. You would be just the fellow to tear down a statue of Jefferson because he offended your mystical non-senses.

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    , @Bliss
  268. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    You obviously can’t read, because Bart Ehrman addresses that in the article referenced, thusly:

    These are all statements you find only in the Gospel of John, and that’s striking because we have earlier gospels and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things.

    I think it’s completely implausible that Matthew, Mark and Luke would not mention that Jesus called himself God if that’s what he was declaring about himself. That would be a rather important point to make. This is not an unusual view amongst scholars; it’s simply the view that the Gospel of John is providing a theological understanding of Jesus that is not what was historically accurate.

    But thanks trying.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  269. AaronB says:
    @anon

    Thing is, it’s masked atheism.

    This is a typical Western European perspective that began in the modern period – the idea is, if our senses and intellect can’t grasp it, it doesn’t exist. This attitude – aside from its astonishing and characteristically Western lack of humility – developed into science and materialism, and the death of religion in the West.

    And yet, this is a central idea in all of the world beyond Western Europe, including Orthodoxy, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, etc.

    I have had theological conversations with Westerners who profess to be religious, and they have all had a curious inability – a real mental block – to understand the concept of the Nothing that is nevertheless Everything – it is as if the modern Western mind simply cannot conceived of anything not graspable by his senses – i.e not physical and bound by space and time – or, even worse, beyond his intellectual comprehension.

    That is of course the true atheist position, and the road to a shrunken and small spiritual world – the modern West.

    And thanks for that Jefferson quote – I did not realize American materialism began so early! Truly, where America is today is just a development of its founding principles.

  270. Seraphim says:
    @AaronB

    Everyone has to try ‘reconvert’ the pagans. It is a duty of charity. But alas, there are people
    “who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears [and] are always resisting the Holy Spirit, doing just as their fathers did.” There is not much hope with them, they will only become more abusive. So, what should be your attitude?

    “If your brother sins against you, go and confront him privately. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector” (Matthew 18:15-17).
    “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces” (Matthew 7:6).

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
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  271. @Anonymous

    Argument from absence and from personal expectation are both logical fallacies.

    • Replies: @anon
  272. @anon

    Reply re Jefferson:

    Jefferson made many brilliant statements (I am a fan).
    This not one of them.

    Apostle Paul says God is clearly seen in nature prior to revelation.

    “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse….” Romans 1:20 NKJV

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  273. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    How does using the name of God, and differentiating it from Yahweh, make one a “pagan?” Oh right, you’re humiliated by contradictions that I exposed, and now you’re reduced to name-calling. Anyway, do explain how Elohim (plural) in Genesis 1 equates to Hebrew monotheism (singular.) Can’t wait to see!

    p.s. Mark Smith (2001) The Origins of Biblical Monotheism: Israel’s Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts. Oxford University Press.

  274. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Wrong.

    Professors of history Martha Howell and Walter Prevenier thus state that an argument from silence can act as presumptive evidence only if the person failing to mention the information was in a position to have the information, and was purporting to be giving a complete account of the story in question.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence

    Which is the case in the Gospels. Try again! 🙂

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  275. @AaronB

    This is a good point.

    The Western “Exclusionary Principle”–if it isn’t material or mathematical, it doesn’t exist–is a crippling limitation on spirituality and theology.

    A consequence, I believe in many cases, is the mad-hatter pursuit of wealth and war.

    • Agree: AaronB
  276. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Without Mendelssohn there would have been no Niels W. Gade, no Franz Berwald, no Arthur Sullivan, no Charles Villiers Stanford; consequently there would have been no Late Romantic geniuses from these regions like Edward Elgar, Carl Nielsen, Jean Sibelius, Rued Langaard, Frederick Delius, Gustav Holst, Frank Bridge, et al. Nor would the great British conductors of that era have existed had Mendelssohn’s oratorios not given them the traning grounds to rise up through (British oratorio societies in the 19th century existed mainly to perform Elias, Paulus, Christus, etc.). The careers of diverse podium lions such as Henry Wood, Hamilton Harty, Thomas Beecham, Adrian Boult, et al would have been vastly different—had they existed at all.

    I wonder about this assertion. Not being familiar with this range of music at all, this statement is very broad and exclusionary. There is the old saw, “correlation is not causation”. And antecedent is not causative either, certainly not absolutely or necessarily in the majority.

    Some other commenter of the musicology vein might shed some illumination here. Perhaps, Señor, you might have meant catalyzed?

    I find it interesting to recall that Jewish composers were among the most doggedly conservative in style at the beginning of the 20th century.

    Mahler, Schoenberg?

    Also, do we presume that these Jewish composers produced their music because they subscribed with their being and existence or could they have been pandering, in effect, making a living and gaining status and money-and greater access to upscale shiksas?

    Anything and everything the Jews do is suspect for hidden motives and reasons and various forms of lying-including omissions. Exceptions of course. My two Jewish doctors, and Mr. Unz, etc, etc.

    Stupendously well done article. A masterwork.

    Sigh…..Christianity is so much window dressing and chantilly lace and a pretty face.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  277. @Seraphim

    Excellent statement. Amen.

    All glory, honor, and praise to the Undivided Trinity!

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @Seraphim
  278. @Franz

    Uh, Christianity is part merchandising with mannequins, part corporate planing, part advertising, and very external. In a word: mottled.

    Buddhism is the finely tuned machine, precisely interworking, designed meticulously. Christianity backfires, misfires, and burns oil and excessive fuel. The open wound, the intravenous catheter open to infuse whatever by convenience into Corpus Indo-Europeanus, which is in intensive care, caused in part by what Christianity DID NOT DO AND WHAT IT DID DO/DOES.

    That is, in my humble opinion.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  279. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Who cares what some Jewish band of dupes and imposters led by Paul said?

    “of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great Coryphaeus…”

    –Thomas Jefferson
    https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/98-01-02-1218

    Still a fan? 🙂

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  280. @Old Palo Altan

    Richard Wagner did not like Mendohlson, considered his music not German. I think he meant it was ornamental, pretty, fluffy, not the stout, straight malt he was producing which had so many connections to collective psyche, soul, essence, and character of a people.

    Mendohlson’s music is feminine compared to a masculine Wagner.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  281. @SeekerofthePresence

    the “Holy Trinity”, i.e., Father, Son, and Holy Ghost-no offense intended-seems like a marketing ploy or strategy to me. What is it based on? What founding necessity? Revelation? Someone’s word, “Trust me, The Divine revealed this to me?”

    Only The Buddha melded the Natural World, The Supernatural World and in the process set the markers and indications of the Scientific Method.

  282. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Who’s the pagan? Not me! You’re reduced to name-calling to deflect from my pointing out in comment 243 that song of songs is nothing else but an erotic ditty. You have no argument against that. And frankly, you’re projecting with your pagan name-calling. You’re afraid that it is you who is the pagan, and for good reason, much of Christianity is of pagan origin.

    Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth
    http://pocm.info/

    Yep, it’s you who is the pagan. Not that I’d want to convert you to anything else, those who mix paganism with warmed-over Judaism make good entertainment on a cool Woden’s Day evening. Woden’s name was on your lips several times today, wasn’t it, pagan Seraphim? 🙂 That Jewish Yahweh you worship isn’t going to let you into Jew-heaven, you know, since you have other Elohim before him. He claims to be more Jewishly Jealous than Overprotective Girlfriend, and tomorrow, you’ll be honoring Thor on Thor’s Day, and making your Overprotective Jewish Boyfriend even more jealous. He might not even want you to be his bride. Eww, that’s really perverted anyway.

  283. Anonymous[301] • Disclaimer says:
    @Toy

    Self hating white spotted or perhaps you are one of those fellow (((white men))). Blaming the poisonous culture of the Hindus (having worked with this h1b pagan horde on a day to day basis for more than a decade, I know them well) on the invading aryans, who by the way we’re most likely Persians from present day Iran and the adjoining locales, so most likely “pagan” themselves.

    Secondly, having lived in a place for 4000+ years surely makes those aryans just as much “Indian” as their darker compatriots??

    Your hatred of whites in general and white Christians in particular is showing through this comment

    • Replies: @Toy
  284. @anon

    One wonders if you know either logic or Scripture.

    Please show me from Scripture where Matthew, Mark, Luke, of John
    “was purporting to be giving a complete account of the story in question.”

    On the contrary, John suggests a complete account would be impossible:

    “And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.” John 21:25 NKJV

    The truth of the Apostles stands forever.

    The argument from silence collapses like the Philistine temple.

    • Replies: @anon
  285. @Poupon Marx

    White Buddhists are the most pretentious fucking faggots in the world. Christianity propelled European civilization to unheard of height while Buddhist societies stagnated, and far from being “designed meticulously”, Buddhism is a contradictory mess.
    https://www.jashow.org/articles/contradictory-teachings-in-zen-buddhism/

  286. @Poupon Marx

    Exceptions of course. My two Jewish doctors, and Mr. Unz, etc, etc.

    So you’re only suspicious of Jews when they don’t validate your opinions? You’re a fucking retard.

    Sigh…..Christianity is so much window dressing and chantilly lace and a pretty face.

    What’s the point of this statement other than to make you look like a preening, superfluous faggot?

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  287. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    I have had theological conversations with Westerners who profess to be religious, and they have all had a curious inability – a real mental block – to understand the concept of the Nothing that is nevertheless Everything.

    You’re selling exactly the same thing as your fellow Jewish merchant Bernie Madoff, nothing that is nevertheless everything.

    > That is of course the true atheist position

    Engage in all the name calling you want, I’m not buying your Bernie Maddoff confidence-game. Got any more pejorative terms to toss off, Happy Merchant?

    P.S. Nice try attempting to misconstrue Jefferson’s philosophical materialism with modern consumerism, but it just demonstrated how intellectually shallow you are.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
  288. @AaronB

    to understand the concept of the Nothing that is nevertheless Everything

    Because such a concept is ridiculous, which is why the Taoist, the Buddhist, and the other savages stagnated while Christian societies prospered. You may fetishize lesser people all you like, but you only have the benefit of doing so because you live off of the fruits of Christian glory.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @AaronB
  289. Toy says:
    @Anonymous

    What exactly is hateful in what I said?

  290. @anon

    Apparently Jefferson did, for he flattered Paul with a stinging witticism.

    Coryphaeus (chorus leader in Greek), Paul led the ignorant to the love, praise, and knowledge of the one true living God.

    He led those duped by the world’s material conceptions and pleasures to faith in God.

    He led the impostors who falsely preached salvation by man’s works to salvation by faith in Christ.

    Yes, still a fan.

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  291. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    You’re quite the sophist. But, but, but…Jesus had to call himself God some time–even though it’s completely missing! LOL Well, he did say one thing that is correct, to believe, his followers had to retard their intellect to that of a child. (Matthew 18:3) That part, I fully believe.

    You called yourself a fanatic of Jefferson’s work, so I’m wondering if there’s anything he said you actually like.

    “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”

    Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Adrian Van der Kemp, July 30, 1816
    https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-10-02-0167

    Still a fan?

  292. @Pierre Papier

    This presumption that Christianity was a causative, major, and seminal factor of the Rise of the West is sloppy thinking. Not rigorous. Parallel scenario: what would have happened in the absence of Christianity, i.e., the predominance of “pagan” {LOL}, “heathen” {LOL} religions??

    Was Christianity a coincidence, an attendant, a correlation? Huh? I hear this palaver a lot. What about Christianity spurred the West on? Pacifism? What debt is owed to Christianity by the West? Subjects and objects of art forms? Would Greek Gods have done the same or better? How many mountains of skulls are there based on Christianity’s hegemonic actions, sectarian killing, torture, land grabs, labeling whole populations as sub human and Hell bound for not “accepting Jesus Christ”??

    Let’s put Christianity to the test, on the test bench, like machinery or circuitry. Well, well, what do we have here? It fails at low rpm, can’t take the heat, low stress-strain threshold, vibration causes parts to fall off, etc, etc.

    Got a girlfriend you are thinking of making your bride. Put her through the Hard Test. See what happens and if she breaks down and fails.

    If you want to juxtapose Christianity and Buddhism, side by side, lay down the challenge. Bring some soothing ointment and bandages

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  293. AaronB says:
    @Pierre Papier

    You are, of course , 100% correct.

    It is because the West rejected this idea and embraced materialism that it achieved such material success – and lost its soul.

    The question is,is soul or body more important. The West made its choice long ago.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  294. @Poupon Marx

    The only statement you made that could even be considered an argument is the assertion that Christianity has caused violence, though you rely more on generalities than any actual figures. That can easily be dispatched. Rodney Stark has written numerous books on how Christianity civilized and lessened ancient violence, in addition to many other innumerable social benefits.
    https://strangenotions.com/how-religion-benefits-everyone/

    Buddhism, by contrast has a checked history of sectarian violence, and no shortage of anecdotes of monks pillaging local villages.
    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/astagnaro/a-short-history-of-buddhist-violence-against-christians

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  295. @AaronB

    Materialism is a late development that came after the West achieved it’s success. Arguably, pure materialism is the cause of our current travails as a society. It was specifically Catholic metaphysics that made the west great. Not a belief in a vague spiritual “nothing”, but a real, God-given order.

    https://www.catholicity.com/commentary/jaki/05497.html

  296. Seraphim says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Amen!
    “For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known”. When we will be in the Presence of the Lord.

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  297. Seraphim says:
    @AaronB

    The way to materialism was paved when God was severed from the world and relegated to unattainable spheres only to be feared, a sanguinary whimsical tyrant, and autonomized the ‘world’. When people negated and started to fight the no less awesome mystery of the Incarnation: “All the angelic world was amazed at Thine Incarnation, for they saw God, Whom none can approach, as a Man approachable by all, dwelling among us and hearing from all: Alleluia”.
    Yes, God is also Love:
    ” Jesus answered and said unto him [Nicodemus], Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God” (John 3: 10-21).

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  298. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    > he flattered Paul

    Wrong. You’re just ineptly twisting what Jefferson said into the opposite of what he said; calling somebody a leader of dupes and imposters is clearly not flattery in anybody’s book but the desperate. Although such desperation is amusing, so try to twist this quote around to your side:

    “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter.” ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

    Still a devoted fan? 🙂

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  299. @Pierre Papier

    It stuns the imagination that you would use Al Goldstein as a reference.

  300. @Toy

    If you paid close attention to these stories you would realize that the same god who sent the Jews Jesus is the same deity who takes pleasure in all the aforementioned carnage in this article.

    [spelling and orthography corrected]

    Actually, not true at all. There are two Gods in the Bible, El and YHWH. El is the God of Genesis, which speaks of God walking in his garden. That God is called Elohim, the plural form of El. Later, Jacob, the grandson of Abraham, wrestles with God and God renames him as Israel, One Who Wrestles with God (el). At the end of his life, Jesus cries out, not to YHWH, but to El.

    Moses’ YHWH is a vengeful volcano god. To get to Sinai, the Hebrews followed a pillar of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night. That’s who Jews worship, not El.

    Note: The “Mount Sinai” in the, er, Sinai desert is not a volcano, nor is it the real Mount Sinai. When Moses fled Egypt as a young man, he went to the land of the Midianites which is on the eastern side of the Gulf of Aqaba in what is now north-west Saudi Arabia. There are several volcanoes just south of Midia and at least one of them shows signs of Bronze Age ritual artifacts. Someone was worshiping a volcano god there.

    Further note: The NIV translation of the Bible uses the word God wherever El is mentioned in the original texts. It uses the word Lord wherever the original text speaks of YHWH.

    • Replies: @Toy
  301. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    You seem to have forgotten about Arnold Schoenberg, whose unlistenable 12-tone system basically nuked modernist classical music and still pollutes the music conservatories to this day.

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  302. @Christophorus

    To understand is to pardon

    Very true. That is why the Christian idea of forgiveness is very limited, precisely because Christian psychology is very limited, almost non-existent. With its emphacis on individual salvation, Christianity has never developped any depth of thinking on ancestral determinism or transgenerational subconscious influences for example. It is almost as if you cannot think deeply about psychology while being a consistent Christian.

  303. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    You also leave out the fact that Mendelssohn was baptized a Christian at the age of seven, after an early childhood with no religious instruction whatsoever.

  304. Toy says:
    @Macon Richardson

    Interesting.
    But that argument doesn’t really help Christians as they are the ones who insist on referencing the Old Testament as definitive proof of Jesus’ divine lineage and muh monotheism. Yet they can’t get their narrative straight between a holy garden stroller and a volcano demon.

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  305. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nosquat Loquat

    Thank you for that comment. Now I don’t feel so bad not listening to the Left side of the Radio dial. It is often god-awful unlistenable garbage, like this:

  306. @Pierre Papier

    Your first link is peripheral to the locus of points made. The benefits of religion are indeed manifold, good and bad. For Islam, there is a lot of bad. For Christianity, it is extremely mottled, and has deteriorated to a diseased and rotting monstrosity.

    Your pitiable second link to link Buddhism to large scales of violence is hasty pudding and is simply in the category of propaganda and systematic distortions. Slanderous and sloppy. When commenters or people extol an author as part of their argument, it weakens it. This logical fallacy is called “Appeal To Authority”. It is for people who need a prop.

    From https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/buddhism-on-peace-and-violence

    The Buddhist tradition is most clearly associated with non-violence and the principle of ahimsa (“no harm”). By eliminating their attachments to material things, Buddhists try to combat covetousness, which in itself has the potential to become a source of anger and violence against others. By tradition, the Buddha himself prevented a war between the Sakyas, his own clan, and the Koliyas. When the Buddha went to the battlefield and discovered the reason for the war was a dispute over water, he immediately engaged the opposing rulers in conversation. He questioned them about whether water was more worthy than the blood of fellow human beings. Another paradigmatic example is the Emperor Ashoka, who ruled the Indian subcontinent during the third century BCE and, after his conversion to Buddhism, felt remorse for the death and suffering caused by his military campaigns and embraced the dharma (Buddhist teaching). Some Buddhist texts do sanction taking human lives in exceptional cases to protect the sangha or defend the innocent. However, most Theravada and Mahayana Buddhists today reject even these exceptional justifications of killing. Influential proponents of an engaged Buddhism committed to non-violence include Thich Nhat Hanh (Vietnam) and Maha Ghosananda (Cambodia).

    This link https://aeon.co/essays/buddhism-can-be-as-violent-as-any-other-religion

    is an essay from an NGO and a professorial academic in which, in pedestrian and contradiction, opens that Buddhism has a reputation for peace and pacifism and then makes the sweeping statement that it can be as violent as any religion. Then he makes a fool of himself, citing the reaction of Buddhists from Muslim extremists in the South of Thailand, where Buddhists are killed including monks as Jihand victims. Buddha said violence is the last resort, but can be used if it must for defense.

    Like anything, a movement based on doctrine, etc, religion can be misused. Thus Buddhism in some nations became more secular and tied to aspirations of the state-especially in Japan, as Zen. In other cases, the offensive action was seen as preemptive against an ethnic enemy.

    Your problem with this thesis is that this is a deviation from the teachings of Buddha. Unlike Christianity, that sponsored and encouraged wars of conversion and proselytizing, no such phenomenon exists in Buddhism. It has never sought converts, as Christianity does, resembling a marketing organization of a corporation.

    You line of argument seeks to conflate both Christianity and Buddhism as somehow implicitly similar in violence but that falls apart. This is because the level and constancy of violence in Christianity is so much greater and continuous. I need only mention the Huguenots of France, the Pilgrims of America, enslavement of aboriginal peoples, and the widespread acceptance of Christian clergy that the slaughter of the Native American-many time shot from moving trains, like buffalo-were acceptable, because they “had no souls”. You will not see the tools of Popes’ Bulls and directives instructing kings to kill all who do not submit to the One Holy Church, being outside God’s grace, heathens, and apostates, who deserve torture and torment.

    Your superficial treatment here and the logical fallacy of characterizing the whole from a sparse examination of the part shows the inadequacy of your position. You’ve been suckered to support the unsupportable. Today’s Christian denominations lead the way of the decimation of the Caucasian and Indo-European peoples are dissembled and displaced.

    Where are the Christian martyrs in the public places, standing athwart the evil psychopathy and Satanic forces in free rein in the West and the World? They are hiding and fearful, entreating the Lord to “do something”. Inferior goods, shoddy material. Machines that do not perform, and the field representatives are in hiding and refuse responsibility or remedy.

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  307. @SeekerofthePresence

    Thanks again! Don’t know if I’ll ever finish “Six-S Way” or try to publish. I’m glad you enjoyed what I sent. I have some more book suggestions, as you’re obviously a reader. One novel that captures pretty well the “Simultaneity” experience I’ve had after years of zazen (meditation) and now have with some frequency can be found in chapters 16 and 17 of Kim Stanley Robinson’s Galileo’s Dream. It also appears in a short story (“The Aleph”) by Jorge Luis Borges. A personal account can be found in Philip Kapleau’s Three Pillars of Zen on pages 279-80, the statement of “a Canadian housewife”, in fact Kapleau’s wife. This latter as well expresses very closely what I experienced with respect to the underlying geometry of energy that exists simultaneously with matter and is to me the ground state of IS, or the Tao, or…

    The plum trees (bueno, the flowering buds) survived the other night, but (forgive the pun) we’re not out of the woods quite yet. The weather is misbehaving!

    Be well!

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  308. @Laurent Guyénot

    You obviously are referring to CG Jung and the inclusion of the Eastern religions.. Orthodoxy incorporates the mystical aspects of the Divine, unlike the Western Church that is anthropomorphic, legalized coding and overly materialistic with objects, matter and things to which God seems like a CEO of a corporation.

    But there are enumerations and then there are summations. One has but to look at Christianity as inanity today. That is the only conclusion. Dopey Popes, Protestant hucksters and con men, and the ABSENCE of those who martyr and put it all on the line against Mammon and the State.

    The State ALWAYS has the seeds and components of the Devil and Evil. The question is whether it can be held in check by the Good, Holy, and Exalted.

    “A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: “I, the state, am the people.”
    It is a lie! Creators were they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life.
    Destroyers, are they who lay snares for many, and call it the state: they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them.
    Where there is still a people, there the state is not understood, but hated as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.”- Friedrich Nietzsche

    The Catholic religion has acted as just another state, an imperial power.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/craziest-popes

  309. @Toy

    Toy, the people you refer to are not Christians in my estimation. And consider the time and place. Jesus was a marginal Jew from the far north in Galilee. He hung out in Capurnaum at the northern end of the Sea of Galilee. Capurnaum was an outlaw town, a rebel town. Just below the Golan Heights, it has a wealth of gulleys, arroyos, draws in which to hide from Roman or Judean troops. His disciples had interesting names like Simon the Terrorist (Zealot), Simon called Rocky (Simon Peter), Judas the Assassin (Iscariot = a curved knife used for slitting throats. The doodlers who whipped up the final “official” version of the New Testament didn’t get that sorted until 325 CE. There was a time period of almost three hundred years in which hand-copied New Testament books could be modified, some by error, some by design. Let’s scratch the magic tricks like walking on water and turning water into Manischewitz or curing the blind or rising from the dead. You want a rootin’-tootin’ savior-God, write some magic tricks into the script later on. Oh, yeah, and make sure he was born in Nazareth because that’s in Judea not in Galilee.

    Jesus wasn’t trying to convert die-hard Judeans. He was trying to give a new message to all those disaffected from Judean cultural, political and religious domination. And yeah, all those crypto-Jews who call themselves Christians try to pack all this together into one sandwich, a grape jelly and sardine hoagy. Of course it doesn’t fit. Jesus called his God “Abba” which is Aramaic for “daddy”. Think he was speaking of old fire-belching YHWH? I doubt it.

    Interesting side note. When Pilote asked which of the three prisoners should be set free, the Jewish crowd shouted, “Free Barrabbas!” Free Barrabbas! bar Abbas, son of daddy. “Free Daddy’s son.” There are some quite intricate word playing going on in the New Testament. Not like the Old Testament where they’re either begetting or smiting, with very little else going on in between. But volcano gods are a cranky lot. Lots of violence and lots of porn. What more does a volcano god need.

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  310. @Poupon Marx

    You seem to be under the impression that adjectives are arguments. They are not. I’ll grant you the courtesy of a terse response. I’ll start with the irony of you accusing me of appealing to authority and then assuring everyone that your article is better because it comes from an “NGO and a professorial academic”.

    Yes, fashionable proponents like to talk about how Buddhism is pacifist and what not, and yet sectarian Buddhist violence continues as it has since that fat Indian fellow sat under a tree. A cheery example is when the 13th Dalai Lama ordered his monks to slaughter 500 Tibetan Catholic families and raze churches, orphanages, schools and hospitals in March 1905. Tibetan Christian families were gunned down after refusing to give up their religion at Yanjing at the hands of the 13th Dalai Lama’s messengers at the same time during the 1905 rebellion when Father Dubernard was beheaded and all the French missionaries were slaughtered by the Tibetan Buddhist Lamas. The name “Field of Blood” was given to the place where the slaughter happened.

    The next part of your argument relies on historical caricatures. I can think of no theologian who argues that Indians have no souls. If they thought they didn’t, they wouldn’t have bothered trying to convert them, would they?

    And how can Christianity be the cause of decline when they decline only started with the advancement of secularism?

    The only ones putting up any resistance to the decline are Catholics in Poland, Hungary, and Italy.

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  311. @Poupon Marx

    The Catholic religion has acted as just another state, an imperial power.

    As opposed to the Buddhist Lamas?

  312. @Poupon Marx

    Ornamental, pretty, fluffy?

    Stout, straight malt?

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  313. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Macon Richardson

    > Jesus was a marginal Jew from the far north in Galilee.

    Not really. He was an extremely popular Rabbi with “every” Jew when he taught in their many “Synagogues.” Says so right in the Bible.

    > Jesus wasn’t trying to convert die-hard Judeans.

    Jesus himself said those are the “only” folks he came for, and anybody else gets just table scraps from the Jewish dinner table. Says so right in the Bible.

    > crypto-Jews who call themselves Christians

    Aren’t they all? “Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.” Who else celebrates Passover but Jews? “It is we who are the Circumcision.” Again, who else identifies as that but Jews?

  314. @Poupon Marx

    You obviously are referring to CG Jung and the inclusion of the Eastern religions.

    Although I find great value in Jung, I was actually referring rather to an approach which seems to be particularly developped in France, sometimes called psychogenealogy, integrating some elements of psychoanalysis, of systemic psychotherapy, and some more anthropological approaches such as Ivan Boszormenyi-Nagy’s concept of “invisible loyalties”. He wrote: “The development of loyalty is determined by the history of the family, by the type of justice that the family practices, and by family myths. It finds resonance in each member of the family. Upon each one falls on the one hand, obligations, according to position and role; and on the other hand, a sense of debts and merits, along with a personal style and manner of compliance.” The notion of the transmission over several generations of unsolved traumas or “family secrets” is getting quite popularized in France. Perhaps I should check what exists in terms of books in English on these questions, and do an article on it, because I find it very useful in trying to understand Jewishness.

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  315. @Laurent Guyénot

    Mister Guyénot, thank you for the reply. I find this is very Jungian and quite overlapping. I think perhaps Jung’s work is more unified and concise, therefore more accessible. Jung opened many doors for me, personally, in my attempt to understand myself, vague feelings and perceptions, discomforts with accepted ideas, etc. I have a recognized personality type that makes it hard to disengage from what I perceive as incomplete formulations, and a difficulty of separating past from present, INTP on the Meyer-Briggs Scale. You might find this scale and its sub-types useful in your endeavors.

    I would not over analyze Jews in order to understand the geist that motivates them and drives their peculiar and unique sets of behavior. They have bred very selectively, and have had the advantages of PROFITING form wars, conflicts and civil strife, whereas the Gentiles have lost genetically high end material. Simply put, Western Christian man has had too many choices, and they seem to him, as of equal valence, equivocal, and disposable. We are easy prey.

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  316. @Pierre Papier

    So many lies of omission

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Dalai_Lama

    The Dalai Lama in Tibet is also the head of state. Tibet has had many troubles with foreign powers interfering and invading. The context of the peccadillo that you refer to above is at the time of British invasion, Chinese hegemony, and those pesky CatheterLick missionaries trying to convert them heathens. Such chutzpah!! Coming in with money and promised of eternal Elysian Fields IF they would only give themselves to Cheeses Gripes. Distasteful. The real game is to obliterate the native culture and colonize these outlying areas into European copies. You are a deceiver and close to outright liar. And a bit of a dunce. You should grow up before you reply again.

    “No theologian who argues Indians had no souls”. No, only that’s what they practiced, as padres in the missions in the New World followed and extended the conquistadores brutality and domination. The Catheter Church gave the blessing to the Conquistodores and mass genocide, you imbecile!!

    Your intellectual dishonesty and tawdry, scata polemic is odious. Get lost.

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  317. @Old Palo Altan

    Felix’s organ work sounded kind of pop like to me. Like an engine idling, but when is it going to engage and do some work?

    Wagner’s piece, remember, is musical drama and is set for the visual and visceral.

    But I enjoy the repartee and thank you for the interesting reply. Both pieces are high art.

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  318. @anon

    You are right on this one.

    To deny the Incarnation is flat-out heresy, as is his denial of the Trinity and the Resurrection. It shows the perils of a mind overly wedded to rationalism.

    Nonetheless, Jefferson revered Jesus and His ethical teachings:

    “[T]he Christian religion when divested of the rags in which they [the clergy] have inveloped it, and brought to the original purity & simplicity of its benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, & the freest expression of the human mind…. inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude and love of man, acknowledging and adoring an overruling providence.”

    For thus honoring God, even in his limited fashion, and teaching love of neighbor, I give him much credit.

    ‘“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment.

    And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”’ Matt. 22:36-40 NKJV

  319. AaronB says:
    @Seraphim

    I think the way to materialism is seeing God as completely remote and inaccessible, like the Stoics and Eoicureans, or as physical, limited, and defined.

    God certainly is infinitely loving, but to say he “is” Love is to limit and define him.

    Incidentally, one of the Stoic criticisms of Judaism was the day of Sabbath, a day for spiritual pursuits entirely and the putting aside of mundane affairs, because it wasn’t “useful”.

    One sees the incipient materialism in Stoicism.

  320. @Seraphim

    How precious a gift that we, fallen man, can draw near to the God of glory.

    “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 NKJV

  321. @AaronB

    Does it not –hate to use the phrase– depend on what the meaning of “is” is?
    Dozens of meanings of “is” in the dictionary.

    “The Lord is my shepherd;
    I shall not want.” Ps. 23:1 NKJV
    Surely no limitation here.

    Aren’t David’s words like saying God is love?
    “He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.” 1John 4:8 NKJV
    And none here.

    The fullness of love is manifest in the Incarnate Son, who took on flesh for our salvation,
    eternally begotten of His invisible, ineffable Father,
    abiding in the heart of all believers in the power and light of His Holy Spirit.

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  322. @Poupon Marx

    I am glad that you liked the discussion, as did I.

    But of course Wagner is far and away the greater composer.

  323. AaronB says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Absolutely. Words just have the meaning we give them, and are qualified or modified by other words.

    The problems begin when we fasten on any one phrase, or take things too literally.

    For instance, the illusory problem of theodicy. If God is love, how can there be suffering?

    The problem comes from taking the phrase too literally, and focusing only on it. If you “expand” the meaning of God, and add that He is also a mystery, and we cannot fully understand him, then the problem vanishes.

    So God is Love can be benign or harmful depending on the total system of thought its embedded in.

    Christianity in the West became too rational, too literal, and too precise, and I suspect this happened because there was this tendency in Christianity embedded in it from the beginning.

    I mean, already in medieval times a thinker like Meister Eckhardt was hugely problematic for the Church and was practically declared a heretic – whereas in Judaism, Buddhism, etc, similar ideas were widely accepted and integrated into the tradition.

    Another interesting fact about Christianity is that it has been growing steadily more rationalistic and literal over time, whereas Judaism for instance has been growing steadily more mystical.

  324. @AaronB

    Very illuminating and incisive observations. I learned that something is given more meaning when in relation to something else. Hence my forays and excursions-literally, spiritually, etc-into the East. One must approach the Other with an open mind, as neutral as possible. Comparison can then be made.

    Insular types who are bound by their own boundaries of thought and knowledge carry a burden, as if living in a walled garden. Trust that voice that whispers, “Something seems missing or incomplete”.

    Please continue commenting.

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  325. Seraphim says:
    @AaronB

    “The problems begin when we fasten on any one phrase (in that case one word), or take things too literally”.
    I can’t think that you haven’t noticed that I said: “God is ALSO Love”. Love is one of God’s Names. He is also Being, Good, Beauty, Truth, Wisdom, Life, Light, etc. But of course “as Cause of all and as transcending all, he is rightly nameless and yet has the names of everything that is. Truly he has dominion over all and all things revolve around him, for he is their cause, their source,and their destiny. He is ‘all in all’ (Saint Dionysius the Areopagite ‘The Divine Names’).
    God also hates: “16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren” (Proverbs 6:16).
    “For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You. 5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity. 6 You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man” (Psalm 5:4-6).

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  326. @Poupon Marx

    He didn’t like foreigners, so that made it okay for him to kill non-aggressive, non-combatant native converts wholesale? You’re a naive faggot who’s swallowed Marxist anti-colonial propaganda.
    The only thing the new world missionaries are guilty of is turning a bunch of savages into a productive society. See the Guaraní missions of South America. But this isn’t about actual history, this is about you being a hysterical cunt.

  327. @AaronB

    Christianity in the West became too rational, too literal, and too precise, and I suspect this happened because there was this tendency in Christianity embedded in it from the beginning.

    You speak as though this isn’t the strength of Christianity. It gives a practical, tangible metaphysics that isn’t obfuscated by spiritualist abstractions or Eastern mumbo jumbo, while also recognizing that a higher order exists than that which can be determined by pure materialism.

    https://www.catholicity.com/commentary/jaki/05497.html

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  328. @Poupon Marx

    I enjoyed reading your comment. Since Jung’s psycholgy is designed for the personal use, one can talk about it only from personal experience in order to be credible. Your description of your experience corresponds very nearly to the mine. Jung calls this experience individuation. Only one remark: You say that you have a difficulty to separate past from present. It is a typical characteristic of the individuation process, that you have your whole life here and now around you and your life forms
    a whole. This is a marvellous experience. Thank you for offering me the opportunity to speak it out here in the context of this high level discussion.

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  329. @Laurent Guyénot

    I fully agree with your statements. Christianity took the rationalistic rail very early probably because the apostles and other thinkers who have shaped the Christian religion had to flee to the Greek cities in Asia Minor and there they came under the influence of Greek rationalistic thinking. It is a paradox and a tragedy as well that a religion which fosters spirituality teaches spirituality in terms of rationalistic appeals to the will. This cannot work and has produced all the aberrations (crusades, inquisition, abuse of “customers”, discovered only in recent time at full extent) which have cost all credibility to the Roman Church. Religiosity is a personal affair and does not tolerate an intermediary. Jung was the son of a protestant pastor. Without making much noise about it, he tried to reform the Christian religion.
    His model of psychology is open to self-therapy and that is how it works best (see also Poupon Marx, blog 322 and my reply to it).

    I promised to finish my comment regarding your comment 198: You say “The Self is somehow inhabited by a kind of collective soul”. This collective soul has replaced the Self in the Jewish mind. Each social system (or culture) needs an overarching symbolic value to keep it together. The Jewish symbolic value is still alive while the Christian one is weakened.

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  330. @Mulegino1

    Every Christian should maintain the awareness that theirs is the faith of truth in exclusive Divinity while the Jews are merely an ethnicity which has embraced self worship sometimes as a religion but always as militant ethno-supremacy which drives them to proactively seek genocide of those who embrace the truth or had ancestors who did so so in what was once called “Christendom”:

    Judaism is merely a rejectionist cult which actually post-dates both the Christian Church and the New Testament by centuries. Given the subterranean nature of Rabbinism or Talmudism and its concept of a god (certainly not the transcendent God of Christianity) who can be outwitted by a rabbinical consensus it is no wonder why the Rabbis excluded the Book of Wisdom from the Old Testament canon. One will find nothing as sublime as “In the beginning was the Word (Logos), and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God” in the Talmud.

  331. AaronB says:
    @Pierre Papier

    I consider modern materialism and rationalism, the creation of the West, to be a tragedy and a catastrophe.

    The material development of the West seems trivial and unimportant at best, destructive at worst – it has not made mankind happier or better.

    To the extent that Western Christianity contributed to this, I would like to understand it.

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  332. AaronB says:
    @Seraphim

    I agree with this comment.

    St Dionysius represents the good, mystical side of Christianity that was increasingly forgotten in the West. Had it not been, things would be much better now.

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  333. AaronB says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Thanks. Yes, ideas gain in depth when placed in proper context. And we certainly must study the Other.

    When spiritual ideas receive the unanimous consent of the sages of mankind, then deviating from them must be done with extreme caution.

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  334. @Montefrío

    Hello Montefrío, hope you and your trees are well.

    Just ordered Bohm’s “Wholeness” and Huang Po’s “Teaching”.
    One of Huang’s first lines picks up on two themes that have come up on this thread:

    “Yet sentient beings, attached to characteristics, seek outwardly [for this mind].”

    1) How often in Western Christianity do people define God by outward “characteristics” like power, strength, creation, mighty deeds, judgment and so on. He thus seems many times more like a divine Mighty Man than an infinite, ineffable Person who embraces each individual.

    2) In Western faiths we often grow up thinking God is out there–in space, heaven, or anywhere but within us. We do not know Him as Lord who lives within us and we in communion with him in joy. We are taught to “seek outwardly.”

    So I believe we will have plenty to talk about when the books arrive. Thanks also for the other book leads. Kapleau may have been my intro to Eastern thought years ago.

    All the best in rough weather.

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  335. Warner says:
    @Skeptikal

    “Death to the Jewish God.”

    That’s literally called Christianity.

  336. Seraphim says:
    @AaronB

    Saint Dionysius was not only forgotten in the West. It was the subject of a veritable campaign of denigration and falsification initiated by Luther for whom the saint was ‘plus platonizans quam christianizans’ (directed actually at the whole Christian-Platonic ‘scholastic philosophy’ inspired by ‘dionysism’), and carried further by the ponderous German Biblical High Criticism, which invented the ‘Pseudo’ appellative, making out of him a ‘pagan’ impostor who falsified the ‘simple, pure christian message’ by mixing it with the ‘idolatrous’ Hellenic philosophy. Actually a pagan philosopher who ‘colored’ his philosophy with some perfunctory ‘biblical’ quotations to avoid the wrath of the Christian ‘inquisitors’. In short a curious ‘anomaly’, a “lonely meteorite” which sought to introduce things novel and foreign to the tradition.
    In the East, in Orthodoxy that is, he remains pivotal, fundamentally faithful to prior currents of patristic thought and a significant contributor to those who came after him, such as SS Maximus Confessor, Symeon New Theologian, Nicetas Stethatos, and Gregory Palamas. New studies have revealed the profound Scripturalism of the writings of St. Dionysius and the flimsiness of his (really ‘pseudo’) Neoplatonism.
    I recommend the site: “Jewish Roots of Eastern Christian Mysticism”@https://www.marquette.edu/maqom/. You will be surprised.
    Of course, the problem of the rapports between Hellenic ‘philosophy’ and Hebrew Scriptures (and Christianity) is a vast one and its study is clouded by strong emotional partisanship. You can’t expect the ‘West’, which construed itself as a fortress against spirituality, nay, as an active fighter against it, to be able to break the gates of the mental prison in which it locked itself (and threw out the keys).

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    , @Seraphim
  337. @AaronB

    I consider modern materialism and rationalism, the creation of the West, to be a tragedy and a catastrophe.

    Modern materialism and rationalism are just revived Greek Epicureanism. The genius of Christianity was that it gave a rational metaphysics that was more efficient than Greek materialism. Greek philosophy alone ended up being inconsistent, which is why Neoplatonism quickly turned to witchcraft. Sorcery and pure materialism are both errors, and errors can accommodate each other quite well. That’s why the jews, whose Talmud is little more than Babylonian witchcraft, have no problems promoting both atheism and occultism, like Sam Harris shilling his “mindfulness” app.

    The Jews know that Western success is a function of Christianity, and that is why they despise it and promote materialism and primitiveness to undo it, and most of the time, they have willing accomplices.

    Pagans will always be the willing whores of the Jew. Look at Guyenot. He never criticizes the Talmud, even though the Talmud is the root of Jewish duplicity. He always goes after the Old Testament, despite the Jews themselves ignoring it and giving preference to their backwards Talmudic witchcraft. He’s also always careful to make the Jews look like the victims and not the perpetrators. He willingly deflects blame from the Talmud and directs it towards the Bible, the book that made the West great in the first place. he’s nothing but a good goy charlatan faggot.

    The material development of the West seems trivial and unimportant at best

    He typed on his computer.

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  338. @Christophorus

    The pleasure is mine. Nothing in my life has given me the degree and completeness of satisfaction of this process and the other “connectedness”of Jung’s ideas and methodology. The Buddha said to work on your own completeness and enlightenment. Compassion and empathy toward others is to help them achieve enlightenment and completeness, as well. A restatement of that old saying of teaching a man to fish instead of just giving him fish.

    Freud is a dwarf compared to Jung. Jung stands athwart East and West.

  339. If it was up to Guyenot we’d all return to the days of human sacrifice and temple prostitution while the Talmudic Jews continued to subvert the West.

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  340. @Seraphim

    Eloquently expressed why I felt outside the Western Faith tradition. One must feel and perceive what is missing, not there, not whole. And not deny or repress it.

    Personally, finding and filling in the missing pieces was able when I became more fully aware of reincarnation and the journey of the soul. Very briefly, this relates to Jung’s Archetypes.

  341. @AaronB

    Every person must seek his own path. Perceiving nothingness is perceiving substance and something-ness. These must be your experiences that have relations and agency inside of you in order to be of real meaning and value. What is eternal you will find within. One might BEGIN to call them “realizations”.

  342. @Christophorus

    Interestingly, I have read that Alexander’s Army having reached India came into contact with Buddhism and there was not only no conflict, but mutual acceptance. Alexander was a cultivated and educated man. His scholars saw much to admire in Buddhism and The Teachings and practices were accepted, and certainly not rejected.

    This is a direct quote from an article by Guillaume Durocher in The Occidental Observer,

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/05/17/what-the-west-can-learn-from-the-buddha-and-gandhi/

    Writing during the Second World War, Julius Evola observed: “If one day normal conditions were to return, few civilizations would seem as odd as the present one, in which every form of power and dominion over material things is sought, while mastery over one’s own mind, one’s own emotions and psychic life in general is entirely overlooked.”[1] He who wishes to change the world should first of all start with himself: the insight may seem trivial, but we should bear this in mind in all our pursuits.

    Evola made this comment in a ground-breaking work on Buddhism, a spiritual path which he believed had much to teach the West. Actually, there is nothing particularly Eastern about the ideal of self-mastery through a disciplined daily spiritual life. There are clear Western analogues in the Greco-Roman philosophical tradition to many Buddhist insights and practices. From Socrates onwards, the ancient philosophical tradition recognized that the first good was that of our own soul, the state of one’s psyche. The Stoics in particular seem similar to the Buddhists, emphasizing our relative impotence over the world’s constant flux, and that the only thing we should rightly seek to control is our own mind.

    The French academic Pierre Hadot has emphasized that ancient Greco-Roman philosophy, unlike its modern Western counterpart, was not a purely intellectual or theoretical enterprise. Rather, the ancient philosophers practiced spiritual exercises and a particular way of life in order to train and transform their minds, and to prepare themselves for the acquisition of wisdom. Typical practices included physical austerities, a frugal lifestyle, contempt for material possessions, living in a community of like-minded philosophers, disinterested dialogue, mathematical abstraction, prolonged meditation, and the contemplation of death. Many of the basic insights and practices of late Hellenistic philosophy would be codified by and live on in Christianity.

    Today however, Buddhism has an enormous advantage over Greco-Roman philosophy: it is a living spiritual tradition, rather than reduced to dusty books, however valuable they might be. There’s no comparing fossil bones with a live-and-kicking dinosaur. The teaching and law given by the mysterious Prince Siddhārtha Gautama, the Buddha, some 2,500 years ago has stood the test of time. Buddhism, unlike Greco-Roman philosophy, was institutionalized in a large monastic community, the sangha, which explicitly and systematically enjoined a particular spiritual way of life. Through the practice of contemplating the workings of the mind and the world in a spirit of detachment, the Buddha claimed we could learn to see existence as it truly is.

    and

    The way of the Buddha has fascinated Westerners in both ancient and modern times. Ancient Buddhism flourished under the Greek monarchs who ruled in the wake of Alexander’s armies in northern India and Gandhara. The Greeks began the practice of portraying the Buddha in statues, these beautiful works presenting him as a cross between a philosopher and a demigod, sometimes protected by a club-wielding Heracles.

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  343. Seraphim says:
    @Pierre Papier

    Actually, Guyenot attacks Christianity (in the manner of ‘La Nouvelle Droite’ of Alain de Benoist) under the guise of denouncing ‘Zionism’. “Is the Church the whore of Yahweh?” which ‘crucified’ the ‘Goddess’ of the ‘pagans’ (The ‘Queen of Heaven’, ‘Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and all abominations of the earth, drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus’). “Blessed are those Jews who turned their back on Jeremiah’s sociopathic god and found comfort in the Goddess instead. We need them more than ever”!?

    Let’s make a thing clear. ‘Sophia’, the Wisdom, to whom the Hagia Sophia Church is dedicated, is NOT a ‘survival in Christian Byzantium’ of a ‘tradition of the divinization of Sophia (the Gnostic Goddess), neither is it ‘in the fringe of Russian Orthodoxy’. In Orthodoxy the Holy Wisdom is understood as the Divine Logos who became incarnate as Jesus! Vladimir Solovyov’s Gnostico-Cabbalistic ‘Sophianism’ (which survived in France among the Russian emigrees who founded the “Institut de théologie orthodoxe Saint-Serge” in Paris) had nothing whatsoever to do with genuine Russian Orthodoxy (which is Orthodoxy pure and simple), reason why it was roundly condemned as heresy both by the ‘Soviet’ Church and the Russian Church Outside Russia in 1935, but it lurks in the French mind as the real expression of ‘Russian Orthodoxy’, repressed by the ‘Orthodox hierarchy’, ‘unfortunately’.

  344. Seraphim says:
    @Seraphim

    I should have added a historical point. The Protestant attack against ‘Dionysism’ was an attack directed at the French Church. A venerated tradition of the French Church was that Saint Denys, the “apostle to the Gauls” and regarded as the ‘patron saint of the French people’, was the same as Saint Dionysius the Areopagite, the Athenian disciple of Saint Paul. The Basilica of the Abbey of Saint-Denis, the first gothic church and the necropolis of the Kings of France was vandalized by the revolutionaries in 1792.

  345. AaronB says:
    @Pierre Papier

    The Jews that are contributing to the destruction of Western civilization, along with whites, are not traditional Jews – they have been corrupted by the European Enlightenment, which is the source of these ideas.

    The Enlightenment, also, is the movement that initiated the attack on Christianity in the West, not the Jews.

    The traditional Jewish desire for mankind is that all the nations of the earth serve God and rejoice in him – i.e, that some form of Judaism will prevail everywhere. Christianity is seen as far from perfect, but a step in the right direction away from paganism.

    The OT is central to Judaism. About 60% of the three daily prayers that Jews do every day, are passages from the OT – Psalms, Prophets, but also Genesis, etc.

    On the Sabbath services, the central act is reading from a Torah scroll – it must be a handwritten scroll written on calf parchment according to strict and ancient rules, not a modern book – and the OT is extensively studied.

    The Talmud discusses the OT extensively, constantly citing its verses, and elucidating its laws and concepts.

    Central to Jewish study, also, are books on ethics, conduct, and spirituality written by great masters from the 10th century onwards, generally with a mystical bent. These books are perhaps most widely studied.

    The Talmud itself forms only one part of Jewish study, and many religious Jews do not make it the focus of their study. Its considered difficult.

    Kabbalah – Jewish mysticism – also comes in for study and permeates the entire tradition – so much so, that some have called it the heart of Judaism.

  346. The Jews that are contributing to the destruction of Western civilization, along with whites, are not traditional Jews – they have been corrupted by the European Enlightenment, which is the source of these ideas.

    The Enlightenment, also, is the movement that initiated the attack on Christianity in the West, not the Jews.

    I cannot agree on this, without further qualification and elucidation. Intrinsically, it is false, a priori.
    A more than critical mass of Jews were hostile to Christianity and the the Other long before the Enlightenment, aka, The Age of Reason.

    The Enlightenment can be thought of as a catalyst. or leverage, but not as a cause or initiator.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  347. You need to consider the BNIT or Butt-Naked Island Theory. That explains a lot of things.

  348. @Laurent Guyénot

    Yes, please do give us an article on Ashkenazi German Jews and the Sephardic. Understanding what jews in the Weimar were like is so key to understanding this crucial period of history. It seems as if all the books on the Weimar have been written by Jews. We all know how that works

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  349. @James J. O'Meara

    Yes but some forms are worse than others. Trad Catholics are the least semitic. Protestants are wannabe Jews and Evangelicals are the Orthodox version. I understand that the Reverend Hagey’s version of Evangelicals actually admits Jews qua Jews to salvation. Another generation and the fundies will simply give it up and declare Jesus a loon.

    Don’t let these fag comments bother you They are simply showing their Christophilia which, as you know, helped get us into this mess to begin with

    • Replies: @Pierre Papier
  350. @Alden

    You got that. Trad Catholics are the least semitic. Protestants are wannabe Jews and Evangelicals are the Orthodox version. I understand that the Reverend Hagey’s version of Evangelicalism actually admits Jews qua Jews to salvation. Another generation and the fundies will simply give it up and declare Jesus a loon.

  351. Seraphim says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    But they do it already. Most comments are dedicated exclusively to saying it in a vengeful tone.

  352. @Achilles Wannabe

    The present decline started because Judaised deists and freemasons tried to undermine Christianity and the social order that the church built. Funny how you people always blame Christianity for the problems caused by atheists. By the way, Homosexuality and faggotry have always almost been exclusively promoted by Jews. Faggotry has always been a sign of a dying society.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  353. @AaronB

    Read E. Michael Jones and Ted Pike. The Talmud is the root of Jewish subversion.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  354. @SeekerofthePresence

    Howdy!

    Yes, thanks, we seem to have survived (ojalá!) the cold snap, but it’s still too soon to tell.

    You’re quite right about the inherent dualism in Western faiths, although in what I think of as “popular” Buddhism it exists as well. Is it sensible? I don’t believe so, but I always keep in mind Pascal’s Wager, given that I don’t believe myself to be omniscient.

    I’m very grateful to you, as I’ve begun working on my little book once more in large measure thanks to you and Linh Dinh. Said gratitude will grow as it progresses and I’d greatly enjoy interchanging ideas with you, so I’ll give you my email and if you choose to begin a correspondence, I’ll be glad to send you parts of the work-in-progress as it goes along, bibliography included. You can reach me at teejaysee46 “at” gmail-dot you-know-what.

    Kapleau is a handy, practical book for folks new to zen, particularly Soto Zen, which was the school to which I adhered and to a certain extent still do. I always recommend it to beginners. Kapleau was of the Rinzai school, but even so… A handy short reference to Soto Zen is Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind, a collection of talks by Shunryu Suzuki. More “in depth” commentary is to be found in Dogen’s work.

    Thanks again and let’s hear from you!

    Best wishes!

  355. @Laurent Guyénot

    The use of “CE” and “BCE” is not “academic usage.” It is propaganda to subvert Western Christian civilization. Those who use “CE” and “BCE” are attacking that civilization consciously or unconsciously, willingly or unwillingly, even if they claim that they are defending it. If you are using the Christian Calendar to date something, then it is correct to say BC and AD, but do not insult it by stooping to a typical Bolshevik trick like “Common Era.” It is really mean spirited and disrespectful to object to the convention “AD.” If you feel you cannot use the Christian calendar because you have some well founded objections to Jesus Christ and Christianity, why not use the Hijri, the Alexandrine, or the French Revolutionary Calendar? Or the Hebrew, if that is really where your heart lies. But to object to the use of “AD” under any pretense is actually “pride.” And you know where pride comes from. It is a spiritual question. “How can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house. He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.…”

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  356. @AaronB

    The Gods of the Old and New Testament and Koran are colossal narcissists. The Christian God is nicer and the Moslem God is a control freak par excellence, but they all demand that everyone in the world singing their praises or else.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  357. @Poupon Marx

    You could say that The Enlightenment and with it the emancipation of the Jews and greater political and religious liberty was the leverage. The gate was opened.

  358. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Maybe you would like Ganesha. Easygoing, sleeps a lot, and only requires one hundred pounds of hay a day.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  359. @Achilles Wannabe

    Jesus is no loon, but the Lion of the tribe of Judah:

    Genesis 49:8
    “Judah, you are he whom your brothers shall praise;
    Your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies;
    Your father’s children shall bow down before you.
    9
    Judah is a lion’s whelp;
    From the prey, my son, you have gone up.
    He bows down, he lies down as a lion;
    And as a lion, who shall rouse him?
    10
    The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
    Nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
    Until Shiloh comes;
    And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.
    11
    Binding his donkey to the vine,
    And his donkey’s colt to the choice vine,
    He washed his garments in wine,
    And his clothes in the blood of grapes.
    12
    His eyes are darker than wine,
    And his teeth whiter than milk.” Gen. 49:8-12 NKJV

    How many prophecies of Christ are fulfilled in these glorious words of Jacob!

  360. Seraphim says:
    @ploni almoni

    Why not? In some Yoga practices Ganesha is associated to the bowel and its movements. Meditating on it helps eliminate constipation (Ganesha is ‘the remover of obstacles’), lifts the spirits and opens us to ‘love’, “the miracle of our [Western] civilization”, stifled by the anal-retentive ‘sociopathic’ Yahve.

  361. @ploni almoni

    I got your point. You do have a point, I don’t deny. And thanks for the lesson on humility. I wonder, though, if it doesn’t betray the kind of pride that you suspect me of, and that I often detect in Christians (the “I’m-better-than-you-because-I-can-believe-absurdities-and-quote-the-bible-to-back-them” kind). What was that that Jesus said about the straw in your brother’s eye?

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  362. @Laurent Guyénot

    I’m not sure exactly where the Assumption occurred. All I know about the house is what was written on a little monument in front of it in a couple of languages. According to Wikipedia, the Catholic Church has never definitively taken a stand on whether the Assumption occurred there, but seems to lean in favor of the idea:

    The Roman Catholic Church has never pronounced on the authenticity of the house, for lack of scientifically acceptable evidence. It has, however, from the blessing of the first pilgrimage by Pope Leo XIII in 1896, taken a positive attitude towards the site. Pope Pius XII, in 1951, following the definition of the dogma of the Assumption in 1950, elevated the house to the status of a Holy Place, a privilege later made permanent by Pope John XXIII … A liturgical ceremony is held here every year on August 15 to commemorate the Assumption of Mary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Virgin_Mary#Position_of_the_Roman_Catholic_Church

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  363. @Laurent Guyénot

    I am no better than you, I do confess it.

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  364. @Achilles Wannabe

    Actually, I recently read a great book shedding light on that subject: John Murray Cuddihy, The Ordeal of Civility: Freud, Marx, Lévi-Strauss, and the Jewish Struggle with Modernity, Delta Book, 1974 (available on archive.org). The part on Freud, son of a shtetl Jew, is fascinating.

  365. @ploni almoni

    When I say that you have a point, I mean that you may be right about the original intent of those who started using BCE and CE–although I’d like to see the evidence. But whether you like it or not, it has now become academic standard. And I want to play by the academic rule. (Is is pride, or humility?) What should I do, then, when almost all the scholars I quote use BCE and CE. Since it is of no real importance to me, I think I will stick to it. I’m sorry if it offends you.

    • Replies: @lysias
  366. @Poupon Marx

    Your reply to mine is very interesting and I want to reply to it, but I must be absent for week and after my return I shall still need a moment to formulate my reply. I ask for your patience.

  367. Seraphim says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    The Tradition of the Orthodox Church(which is the only authoritative one) as well as the traditions of the ‘Oriental Orthodox Churches’ (so-called non-Chalcedonian) consistently asserts that the ‘Dormition’ of the Mother of God occurred in Jerusalem, where her Tomb is a place of pilgrimage to our days. She died a natural death (the Dormition of the Theotokos, the falling asleep), like any human being, her soul was received by Christ upon death (as depicted in the icons of the Feast). Her body was resurrected on the third day after her repose, at which time she was taken up, soul and body, into heaven in anticipation of the general resurrection. Her tomb, according to this teaching, was found empty on the third day, only her veil (maforion) and belt left behind, which were later on transferred to the ‘Church of Our Lady of Blachernae’ in Constantinople. Part of the veil was transferred to Russia in the 14th century. The belt is kept in the Monastery of Vatopedi on Mount Athos.
    The RC strange dogmatic innovations of the ‘Assumption’ and ‘Immaculate Conception’ deny the natural death and birth of Mary, indeed introducing surreptitiously the cult of the ‘Goddess’, ‘the Queen of Heaven’, equal with (if not superior to) the Christ, the ‘Virgin Mary’, no more the ‘Mother of God’. The development of ‘Mariology’ coincided with the development of feminism and its increasing hatred of ‘socio/psychopatic male’ gods. One can say that ‘Artemis was given back to the Ephesians, only under a different identity’, but which is not Mary “Mother of God” proclaimed by the Council of Ephesus, but the ‘Virgin’ Artemis rebranded ‘Mary’.

  368. lysias says:

    O/T: Mr. Guyenot, I think you should be aware of the 2018 book “The Inheritance,” by Christopher Fulton. If true, it contains lots of new information about the Kennedy assassinations, including that of JFK Jr. The last 100 or so pages consist of photographs of documents which appear to support the truth of Fulton’s account.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  369. lysias says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I’m a Harvard Ph.D. in Classics, and I use BC and AD. Everybody did when I got my degrees. My reaction to the use of the new standard is that it amounts to a public distancing from Christianity, something I have no desire to do.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
    , @Ron Unz
  370. @lysias

    Thanks. I wasn’t aware. After reading the Amazon reviews I’m definitely gonna buy it, though I’m skeptical, as one should be.

  371. @lysias

    Thanks. Your simple comment is much more helpful than those loaded with suspicions, accusations, and insults on the same topic. Now, I’ll think about it (I hadn’t really thought much when I switched from BC/AD to BCE/CE, can’t even remember when).

  372. Ron Unz says:
    @lysias

    I’m a Harvard Ph.D. in Classics, and I use BC and AD. Everybody did when I got my degrees. My reaction to the use of the new standard is that it amounts to a public distancing from Christianity, something I have no desire to do.

    Exactly. It’s roughly the equivalent of the growing practice of referring to people of self-proclaimed “gender fluidity” using forms of the pronoun “They” or maybe “Xe.”

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  373. Anounder says:
    @AaronB

    The problem Jews are indeed Reform/”secular.” And yes, the poison we deal with today can be traced as early as the 1400s.

  374. Anounder says:
    @Pierre Papier

    More or less everyone crying about Christianity are one of the following:

    A. Liberals.

    B. Dawkinsites who babble his talking points yet haven’t read any non-polemic history books ever.

    C. LARPagans ala Varg.

    They are all degenerates who can’t be trusted. All accept fags and racemixing.

    • Replies: @anon
  375. Seraphim says:
    @Pierre Papier

    The root of Jewish subversion is their rejection of the divinity of Jesus Christ which they did from the very beginning:
    ” I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God” (John 10:30-33).

    “Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:22-36).
    “Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. 54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep” (Acts 7:51-60).
    “For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost” (1 Thess. 2:14-16).

    It was not the Jews ‘corrupted by the European Enlightenment’ who contributed ‘to the destruction of Western (Christian) civilization’, but the most ‘traditional’ ones in the name of their ‘tradition’.

  376. @Ron Unz

    Thanks Ron. As a Frenchman, I had no idea of this controversy, inexistant in France, where “av. J.-C.” and “ap. J.-C.” is still standard.

  377. @Seraphim

    Profound verses.

    He will be as a sanctuary, But a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense To both the houses of Israel, As a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Is. 8:14 NKJV

    “A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense.” They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed. 1 Peter 2:8 NKJV

    As it is written: “Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” Rom. 9:33 NKJV

    The martyrdom of Stephen reminds me of the war being prepared to destroy Russia and the Russian Orthodox Church. Спаси и сохрани.

    Her doctrine is like the Raven at the door of the conscience of Western degeneracy.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  378. AaronB says:
    @Seraphim

    There is a big difference between not accepting Jesus, and seeking to destroy the traditional moral order and religion in the West.

    In general, Judaism is more universal and tolerant than Christianity and Islam – we do not think everyone must serve God as a Jew, and accept that Christians and Muslims may serve God in their own way.

    So Jesus may not be for us, but if he helps you be moral and serve God, he is good for you.

    No traditional Jew would ever try to undermine the moral order or belief in God – The Jewish conception of the role of Israel is precisely to spread morality and belief in God. That is the raison d’etre of Israel.

    The ideology that seeks to undermine traditional morality and belief in God is clearly the Enlightenment – in its own words.

    The Enlightenment is the classic enemy of Israel and Judaism. Greece vs Judah. Materialism vs spirituality. Ego vs submission to God. This world vs next world.

    It is an ancient fight, and it is far from over. Each generation fights it.

    Modern Jews who undermine belief in God and morality are Hellenistic apostates who have abandoned Judaism for Greek culture. They have been corrupted by Europe. And they are in the company of the far larger majority of whites who also adhere to enlightenment values and also destroy traditional values.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  379. Seraphim says:
    @AaronB

    Jews are always in denial when it comes to acknowledging their share of responsibility in the ills that afflict the world. They constantly blame only the Christians, precisely because in their view Christianity is an accursed ‘Hellenistic Apostasy’ (the source of ‘anti-semitism’) to be anathematized and destroyed. This is not just ‘not accepting Jesus’ but actively cursing his name. What is Birkhat ha-Minim?

    “For after that you had crucified Him, the only blameless and righteous Man,– through whose swipes those who approach the Father by Him are healed,–when you knew that He had risen from the dead and ascended to heaven, as the prophets foretold He would, you not only did not repent of the wickedness which you had committed, but at that time you selected and sent out from Jerusalem chosen men through all the land to tell that the godless heresy of the Christians had sprung up, and to publish those things which all they who knew us not speak against us. So that you are the cause not only of your own unrighteousness, but in fact of that of all other men… Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put light for darkness, and darkness for light; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Accordingly, you displayed great zeal in publishing throughout all the land bitter and dark and unjust things against the only blameless and righteous Light sent by God…
    Moreover, you accuse Him of having taught those godless, lawless, and unholy doctrines which you mention to the condemnation of those who confess Him to be Christ, and a Teacher from and Son of God. Besides this, even when your city is captured, and your land ravaged, you do not repent, but dare to utter imprecations on Him and all who believe in Him. Yet we do not hate you or those who, by your means, have conceived such prejudices against us; but we pray that even now all of you may repent and obtain mercy from God, the compassionate and long-suffering Father of all…
    For you slew the just one (Jesus) and his prophets before him, and now you . . . dishonour those that set their hope on him, and God Almighty and Maker of the Universe that sent him, cursing in your synagogues them that believe in Christ…
    “Cursing even them who prove that he who was crucified by you is the Christ… As the rulers of your synagogues teach you, after the prayer [Amidah]”.
    (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho).

    “The Jews . . . after having been invited by the Lord to do penitence . . . up to the present day persevere in blasphemy and three times a day in all their synagogues they anathemize the Christian name.” (Saint Jerome -342-420)
    “Not only do Jewish people have a hatred of their enemies; they even stand up at dawn, at midday, and toward evening, three times a day when they recite their prayers in the synagogue, and curse and anathemize them. Three times a day they say, ‘God curse the Nazoreans.’ For they harbor an extra grudge against them . . . because, despite their Jewishness, they preach that Jesus is the Christ, the opposite of those who are still Jews, for they have not accepted Jesus.” (Epiphanius of Salamina 315-403).
    “Three times every day in a prayer [Amidah] they consider more important than others, the Jews curse the clergy of the Church, the kings, and all other people. This prayer is in the Talmud and must be recited with feet together and one should not speak of anything else nor interrupt it even if a serpent is wrapped around one’s ankle. This [prayer] men and women recite in a whisper. The priest then recites it twice in a loud voice and all respond ‘Amen’ to every such curse.” (Nicholas Donin, the ‘apostate’, 13th century).

    Quite a long time before the Enlightenment! Taught by the ‘rulers of the synagogue’.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  380. Seraphim says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    WHO is the stone that the builders (the ‘free-builders’ of the [third] Temple, that’s it) rejected?

    “Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, ‘The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes’ [Ps. 117- Septuagint]? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet” (Matthew 21:42-46).
    And Jesus said this parable to explain the previous one:
    “Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: 34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons” (Matthew 21:33-41).

    They thought they killed and buried Christianity in Russia. How would they feel seeing that it rose again?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  381. Anon[861] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Donin, of course, was the key to the Church’s understanding of the post-Temple jewish “religion”. The Talmud does not stand for Abraham, it stands against Christendom. Jews were not recalcitrant in accepting Jesus, they were political enemies of throne and altar.

    Would you have a link or a book to support :
    “Three times every day in a prayer [Amidah] they consider more important than others, the Jews curse the clergy of the Church, the kings, and all other people. This prayer is in the Talmud and must be recited with feet together and one should not speak of anything else nor interrupt it even if a serpent is wrapped around one’s ankle. This [prayer] men and women recite in a whisper. The priest then recites it twice in a loud voice and all respond ‘Amen’ to every such curse.” (Nicholas Donin, the ‘apostate’, 13th century).

  382. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Donin, of course, was the key to the Church’s understanding of the post-Temple jewish “religion”. The Talmud does not stand for Abraham, it stands against Christendom. Jews were not recalcitrant in accepting Jesus, they were political enemies of throne and altar.

    Would you have a link or a book to support :
    “Three times every day in a prayer [Amidah] they consider more important than others, the Jews curse the clergy of the Church, the kings, and all other people. This prayer is in the Talmud and must be recited with feet together and one should not speak of anything else nor interrupt it even if a serpent is wrapped around one’s ankle. This [prayer] men and women recite in a whisper. The priest then recites it twice in a loud voice and all respond ‘Amen’ to every such curse.” (Nicholas Donin, the ‘apostate’, 13th century).

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Seraphim
  383. AaronB says:
    @Seraphim

    I’m sorry you feel that way.

    Even though you cannot accept that we practice our religion and insist that only yours is the correct one, we Jews accept that you do not practice our religion and do not condemn you for it.

    Good luck.

  384. AaronB says:
    @Anon

    Wikipedia provides a complete breakdown of the Amidah prayer, which obviously contains nothing of what you describe.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amidah

    It is truly unfortunate that so many in the Church hate Judaism.

    Judaism condemns Jews who turn apostate and follow Jesus, but has no problem with gentile Christians, provided they don’t slander and hate Jews.

    Unfortunately, the Church does not live up to the teaching of Christ.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  385. Seraphim says:
    @AaronB

    Jews have an uncanny capacity to delude themselves, no less in believing that they can forever delude us with sophistic tricks to deny evidence and compromise the witnesses. We feel sorry for you.

  386. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    There are of course numerous books about the thirty-five articles of accusations of Donin against the Talmud and the Jewish-Christian polemics in the Middle Ages. I quoted for convenience:
    “Do Jews Curse Christians?”, by Allan Nadler • Tuesday, July 17, 2012
    @http://www.jewishideasdaily.com/4489/features/jews-curse-christians/

    That was what Jews were already doing in the time of Christ:

    “These words spake his parents [of the blind man], because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue… Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses’ disciples. 29 We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is. 30 The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes. 31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. 32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind. 33 If this man were not of God, he could do nothing. 34 They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out. 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. 39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. 40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? 41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth” (John 9:22; 9:28-41).

    • Replies: @Anon
  387. Anon[538] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Thank you. Yes, the blind man’s cure tells the very beginning. It was either Augustine or Chrysostom who recommended praying “for your enemy, so that he would convert, and become your brother in Christ”. A tall order.

  388. anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anounder

    > All accept fags and racemixing.

    So do Christians, and race-mixing with Africans is promoted twice in the New Testament.

    • Replies: @Nalca
  389. Nalca says:
    @anon

    And what are Africans at the time of the New Testament ?
    Romans, Greeks, Egyptians and Former Phoenicians (of Semitic origin).
    And everyone is in the Roman Empire and willing to emulate the Romans (Except Jews, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt).

    Not a lot of black people, the Sahara is here as a barrier.
    Also, no Arabs. They are in their own (Asian) peninsula and didn’t expand before the rise of Islam.

    And look at the reconstitution of a world map according to Ptolemy ~AD 150 ).This is Africa for a famous geographer. Imagine what is Africa for the others.

    So much for race mixing with Africans. It’s more race mixing with Romans / Greeks.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @anon
    , @Bliss
  390. Talha says:
    @Nalca

    Point taken, however – are you saying that the Bible (and Christian doctrine) prevents race-mixing? If so, is there a particular Christian authority you can cite for this?

    Sure, I think it doesn’t necessarily encourage race-mixing, but does is it discourage or prohibit it?

    Peace.

  391. Seraphim says:

    Christian ‘doctrine’ does neither encourage nor discourage race-mixing. Race became irrelevant for those baptized in Christ Jesus “who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit”.

    ‘Race’ is a thing of the flesh. “For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you, Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” (Romans 8:5-8).

    “But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:22-29).

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Bliss
  392. I read with interest the article by Durocher which you cite at length. But the text does not hide that Buddhism had also his periods of violence and exclusion. Likewise, I see the antique Greece rather rationalistic than spiritually minded: Plato was elitarian and lived his moment of truth in Syracuse. Aristotle was the father of causality, the paradigm which still dominates our minds. Rome became the model of imperialism as it is still practiced today.

    Laurent‘s article has triggered a healthy discussion not only on the conflict between Judaism and Christianism, but on the role of the religions in general. To some extent these institutions have provided an unifying umbrella for their believers during two thousand years or more, but they missed the goal which they aimed for: a non-violent society. On the contrary, religions became themselves the cause of war and genocide and are it still today. The fundamental reason for this failure is the fact, that they overlooked the reality of the human psyche. The arrival of the scientific methodology and its application to the fallow land of psychology by Freud and Jung has opened the opportunity to overcome this stumbling block. Easier said than done: the key to the solution is the Jungian Self. It is active at the individual level, but it will be a long walk for the human society to raise it to the collective level.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  393. Seraphim says:
    @Christophorus

    Religions did not miss ‘the goal which they aimed for: a non-violent society’, because it is not that that is their goal. Their ultimate goal is beyond this perishable earth, in Heavens, it is salvation from this world, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianism alike. They did not overlook the ‘reality of the human psyche’ in search of material satisfactions, they try to overcome it. They did not promise what the Tempter wanted the Christ to promise the world, a society of perpetual gorging and merriment in a future in which we won’t exist anymore! Salvation is individual.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Christophorus
  394. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    > this perishable earth

    That’s one opinion, rather fantastical; however, “The Earth abides forever.”

    > they try to overcome it

    So do Transgenders and Queers try to overcome nature; your motto is “Be ye trannyformed!”

    > perpetual gorging and merriment

    What else is there to do, other than “eat, drink, and enjoy life?” (Eccl. 2:24, 3:12, 5:8, 8:15)

    > a future in which we won’t exist anymore!

    Correct, your fate is the same as a dead raccoon; “Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both.” (Eccl. 3:19)

    > Salvation is individual.

    Come on, “Be not overly righteous.”

  395. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    > Race became irrelevant

    Nature is never irrelevant. Your Jew-worship cult is a revolt against nature.

  396. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nalca

    > And what are Africans at the time of the New Testament ?

    Nigger is the specific term used in Acts 13:1 KJV; Ethiopian is used in Acts 8.

    > It’s more race mixing with Romans / Greeks.

    Wrong. Globalist Christianity was founded on Race-mixing with Niggers and Ethiopians.

  397. @Seraphim

    I don’t contest your comment. I just establish that our worldviews are diametrally opposed. My goal is not Heaven, but Earth. My thinking and publishing is directed to promote a new approach to solving the global crisis in which humanity is entrapped. This approach comprises also to say goodby to “gorging and merriment” and strives for salvation, but on Earth, not in Heaven. Nevertheless, thank you, I learned something important. This is my last entry into this thread.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  398. Seraphim says:
    @Christophorus

    That is the ideal of ‘Communism, the golden future of humanity’ born from the Utopian messianic-millenarist ‘Kingdom of God on Earth’. Those who lived through the stage of ‘building the Communist society’ had enough of it, thank you. Anyway, ‘My Kingdom is not of this world’.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  399. Bliss says:
    @Seraphim

    ‘Race’ is a thing of the flesh. “For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace

    Exactly right. Racism can not be reconciled with Spirituality.

    Race is biology, it is material, it has an origin and an end; a vanishingly short life span. But Spirit is non-material, it is uncreated, it is eternal.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  400. Bliss says:
    @Nalca

    And what are Africans at the time of the New Testament ?
    Romans, Greeks, Egyptians and Former Phoenicians (of Semitic origin).

    And what are Egyptians if not africans related to subsaharans?

    No other foreign nation is mentioned more often in the Bible than this civilization of native africans. Greeks had only been in Africa for a little over 3 centuries at the time of Jesus. Romans for just 3 decades.

    • Replies: @anon
  401. Bliss says:
    @anon

    “To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise” (Thomas Jefferson)

    Too bad your reason made you deny your own consciousness Tom. Did that actually make sense to you?

    Is consciousness immaterial or not? Of course it is. If consciousness was material it could be observed and measured. And science could have a clue about it. But science remains clueless about consciousness, because scientists can not observe or measure it. No one can observe consciousness.

    Yet you can’t deny it’s existence, can you?

    • Replies: @anon
  402. Seraphim says:
    @Bliss

    “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness [and not for bread and wine and endless copulation with virgins], for they will be filled.
    “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
    Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you”.

    • Replies: @anon
  403. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    > If consciousness was material

    Not “if.” It is.

    What we’re being asked to consider is that you damage one part of the brain, and something about the mind and subjectivity is lost, you damage another and yet more is lost, but you damage the whole thing at death, we can rise off the brain with all our faculties intact, recognizing grandma and speaking English!

    Neuroscience vs. Afterlife

    > But science remains clueless about consciousness

    Wrong! LOL! You’re just an idiotic Jew-worshiper, clinging to Jewish storytelling fables, who is totally clueless about scientific studies about consciousness, of which there are plenty. I’d suggest this text:

    Abstract: In this stunningly original exploration of human consciousness, philosopher and scientist Thomas Metzinger provides fascinating evidence that the “self” does not really exist. Highlighting a series of groundbreaking experiments in neuroscience, virtual reality, and robotics, and his own pioneering research into the phenomenon of the “out-of-body” experience, Metzinger reveals how our brain constructs our reality—our deepest sense of self is completely dependent on our brain functioning.

    Metzinger, T. (2009). The ego tunnel: The science of the mind and the myth of the self. New York, NY, US: Basic Books.

  404. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    You’re just another coal-burner trying to justify your race-mixing with Niggers and Ethiopians (terms used in the book of Acts to describe the race-mixing early church.) You’re spreading your legs for that Alabama black snake, aren’t ya?

    Just remember, burn the coal, pay the toll.

    • Replies: @jay
  405. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Let’s break out the violin while you’re pleading how persecuted you are, “It’s Annuddah Shoah!” Do you remember writing about your hatred of Whites, you little Jew-worshiping nigger?

    Seraphim says:
    October 23, 2018 at 7:10 pm GMT

    The irony is that the ‘white’ people ar actually blacks discolored. It is a genetical defect which affects their brain too, whence their limited capacity of comprehension of the world surrounding them.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  406. Seraphim says:
    @anon

    Yes, I do remember and I stick to it. You are a perfect illustration.

    • Replies: @anon
  407. jay says:
    @anon

    Ah the inbred moron who lives in sweet home alabama.

  408. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    The pretentious stink of piety act is finally dropped, and we find you’re knee deep in a fetid cesspool of Hate Whitey! Thanks for answering my question, “What’s that smell?”

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