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In our time, the only challenge for someone who’s peddling nonsense is to keep up a steady supply for the public’s insatiable appetite. Not that our most powerful citizens aren’t happy to satisfy the national hunger. Thus, on July 8 in D.C., at the annual gathering of Christians United for Israel, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo gave a characteristically manipulative religious speech in order to inspire fellow Christians to go to war with Iran, one of Israel’s many enemies. Speeches were also given by televangelist blowhard John Hagee, by Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu, by Vice President Pence, and by National Security Advisor John Bolton. In other words, by every member of Trump’s inner chamber of Zionist hawks.

Cue the conservative nationalists, Yoram Hazony & Co., their purpose being to provide an ideological superstructure for American-Israeli Power. That is to say, the conservative country club is to support, or at least not question, the prevailing assumption that American foreign policy in the Middle East should be Zionist in character. Here Hazony & Co. can rely on men like Daniel McCarthy, who helped Hazony organize the national conservatism conference, and whose altogether positive write up on it is a perfect example of why he is widely known as a company man in right-wing media[1]It’s well known that the politically correct McCarthy, as editor of The American Conservative, ran Ron Unz out of that publication, even though Unz was the magazine’s publisher. McCarthy’s writings themselves over the years also attest to his careerism. In a 2001 piece at LewRockwell.com, “The Cult of Father Abraham,” McCarthy was fiercely critical of the Claremont Institute, and of the tireless Lincoln idolater Ken Masugi in particular. Having risen through the ranks of Conservatism Inc., McCarthy has nothing negative to say about Claremont today, but rather is a frequent contributor to its two publications, of which he speaks very highly. Again, in “Make-Believe Conservatism” and other earlier writings, McCarthy was quite harsh on National Review: “From the very beginning National Review was an imposture,” he said among other things. Last November, on a panel (sponsored by The National Review Institute) with former National Review editor John O’Sullivan, McCarthy was all praise for the magazine’s work through the years. Once anti-state and pretty libertarian, McCarthy now takes populist and nationalist positions that one won’t find at, say, Reason magazine. Of course, a man has a right to change his mind, and a man who hasn’t done so over the years has probably been dogmatic, intellectually lazy, or both; but in McCarthy’s case, one has the distinct impression of a professional conservative—as opposed to a principled intellectual—whose writing and editing conform to the agendas of donors and to the interests of the moment. In a 2003 article on H.L. Mencken, McCarthy asked: “If Mencken were alive today, who would publish him? For all the acknowledged power of his style, Mencken’s politics wouldn’t make the grade for the New Criterion or the American Spectator, or presumably any of the other major (neo)conservative publications that toe the same line.” And yet the editor of Modern Age—the former defender of H.L Mencken against his neocon critics, formerly so contemptuous of the National Review purges, and about as polemical as Paul Gottfried or Peter Brimelow—doesn’t publish anything remotely dissident right. McCarthy selling out, as it were, is disappointing in itself, but especially unfortunate since, unlike Jonah Goldberg, David French, and other mainstream conservatives, he’s a very capable writer and editor..

More central to the Zionist cause, though, are the useful Christian idiots. Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, and John Hagee—men whose Christianity is perpetually for sale, like a whore on the corner—keep the gullible evangelical crowd in its subservient, “philo-Semitic” place. An easy task, that, as these persons believe the recreation of Israel is part of biblical prophecy that will lead to Armageddon and the second coming of Christ.

The Christian intellectual right, too, is transcendentally dim. Far from seeing the Zionist problem, far from understanding politics in a coldly rational and strategic sense, one whose only goal is victory, the Christian intellectual right is now diverted by a vague Catholic integralist fantasy, the more diverse and inclusive the better. For instance, Matthew Schmitz, a senior editor at First Things, writing contra Amy Wax in The Catholic Herald, declares: “Cultural distance nationalism, rightly understood, should lead to something like Hazony’s multi-racial, pan-Christian vision.” Having, as he often does, made a positive reference to Martin Luther King Jr., one of Conservatism Inc.’s most cherished idols, Schmitz goes on:

Catholic migrants from Central America now have more in common with our Puritan forebears than do most Europeans. Their Church still proclaims the bodily resurrection of Christ, still believes in original sin and predestination, still opposes the evil of contraception. These are things the Puritans professed but many Protestant bodies, and many residents of formerly Protestant states – including Wax’s favoured “First World” countries – no longer believe. Central Americans should be favoured over Europeans under any immigration policy based on cultural distance.

This is a perfect example of the liability that is the Christian right. Schmitz envisions a nation where “Catholic migrants from Central America” will further a Christian revival. That most of those immigrants would likely vote for the anti-white left—as they’ve long done—escapes Schmitz in his enthusiasm. What matters is that they “proclaim the bodily resurrection of Christ, still believe in original sin and predestination, [and] still oppose the evil of contraception.” The evil of contraception! Which poor blacks also need to recognize, to be sure. After all, what America needs is another 40 million minority children for the welfare state and the vexed healthcare system to support.

Notice that Schmitz has no interest in importing French traditional Catholics or pious Bavarians, let alone Poles or Ukrainians. He is comfortable, in other words, with eradicating the vestiges of earlier American Catholic culture. A blueblood groomed to submit to groupthink, Schmitz is trying to make Catholicism safe for contemporary liberalism, so that he and his friends don’t get exiled from the ACELA corridor cocktail party circuit, where Russell Reno and the like moneygrubbers can ask the well-healed to pledge their “higher allegiance,” that is, to donate money to the “non-profit” that publishes First Things, a magazine that is hardly less “inclusive” than the progressive Catholic magazine Commonweal.

Still, Schmitz’s approach would eventually turn our country into a third-world dump. Wax understands this, and it’s not irrelevant here that, like me, she is secular, for her take on immigration isn’t answerable to any a priori agenda, in contrast to Schmitz, who is in the grip of his Catholic bias. Like David French, Schmitz conceives of culture mainly in terms of religion, but there is much more to culture than that. Besides, how effective has multi-racial, multi-cultural Christianity been at opposing the left’s seemingly inexorable cultural hegemony? Worse than useless. Although Schmitz and the others at First Things have been highly critical of French’s myopic moralism of late, his criticism of Wax is fundamentally the same as French’s, as should only be expected from such a weak type, who is no more serious about “political enmity” than the other PC pretenders at First Things.

* * *

To return to Zionism, Christion Zionists see themselves in a holy war against Muslims, allied with Jews for the sake of what they weirdly call “Judeo-Christianity.” We encounter this phrase often on the right, and as with the celebrated “permanent things,” it’s not at all clear what it refers to. Indeed, for the powerful, it seems to be little more than a convenient political construct, while the unthinking, largely Christian public goes along for the ride, like sentimental liberals who cannot but root for Black Lives Matter. Although Islam, in many ways, is quite incompatible with the modern West, we shouldn’t overlook the significance of the fact that the principal Christian beliefs—namely, that God became man in Christ and substitutionary atonement—are blasphemy from a Jewish or Muslim perspective. Accordingly, there are Rabbinic attacks on Jesus and Christians in the Talmud. In contrast to the Christian Trinitarian concept of God, both Judaism and Islam insist on God’s absolute unity. Islam is closer to the truth than Christianity, according to Moses Maimonides, who said that Jews may pray to Allah because the Muslim and Jewish conceptions of the Deity are the same.

Throughout history, Jews and Christians have not been friends so much as enemies. Although many on the dissident right may be reluctant to concede the point, there was a lot of Christian persecution of Jews in European history, particularly by Catholics, and today Jews tend to equate gentile nationalism with the Holocaust. From a historical point of view, then, it’s hardly surprising that Yoram Hazony wants American nationalism to be essentially Zionist, and that he is so anxious regarding white ethnocentrists like Peter Brimelow and Jared Taylor, though of course neither is anti-Semitic. As a rule, Jews are wary of gentile cultures, and Hazony seems no different.

Given Israel’s many enemies and its precarious state, Zionists may gain from vague, quasi-moral talk about “Judeo-Christianity,” insofar as it advances interests that depend on American wealth and power. But the opposite seems to be true for American Christians. Exactly what benefit do they get from Israel, their so-called greatest ally? On the other hand, that our disappointing President benefits from his Zionism there is no doubt. As Stephen J. Sniegoski recently observed in an acute essay at this webzine, “Last-minute funds from multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson were quite likely the key to Trump’s hairbreadth victory in the 2016 election.” Those crucial donations may have inspired a sense of obligation in Trump the longtime dealmaker, and considering the collective influence of his Jewish family members and his Zionist foreign policy team, it’s little wonder that Trump moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, recognized Syria’s Golan Heights as part of Israel, placed severe sanctions on Iran, and, in a ridiculous gesture, awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Adelson’s wife, Miriam[2]Who, for her vulgar part, wants a “Book of Trump” in the Bible, given how good Trump has been to the Israelis. To be sure, Trump is loyal to them, though not to his white working-class voting base..

To be sure, Zionism, in itself, isn’t a problem for America. Indeed, insofar as it embodies Western values, Israel is a force for good in the Middle East. The problem is that just as from the neoconservative movement to the current nationalism movement Jewish interests[3]By liberalizing the right and keeping white ethnocentrism off the table. have determined how America defines itself, so Zionist interests have determined our foreign policy in the Middle East. Bibi Netanyahu assumes Israeli expansion and aggression in the volatile region will be supported by the U.S. Meanwhile, lobbying groups in D.C. strive to keep the public from perceiving this immense liability, diligently propagating the view that Israel is our friend, while Iran, suffering under sanctions, is “a threat.”

These are talking points that very few conservative journalists dare to question since, like the Republican party, many mainstream right-wing publications receive abundant Zionist funding, many are owned by Zionists, and as a group Zionists, like so many overly sensitive women[4]The excitable character of many Jews, much commented on throughout history, and an object of humor among Jews themselves, may be more than just a reflection of their awareness of their past persecution by gentiles. I suspect that it, like the unusually uxorious nature of Jewish husbands, has something to do with the psychological dominance of mothers in Jewish families, a phenomenon that may make for a rather feminine sort of conditioning, and for a disproportionate number of neurotic characters. Is it merely a rumor that John Podhoretz and David Frum, during their recurring nightmares about “white nationalists,” are given to crying out for “mother dear”?

Christopher DeGroot is the editor of The Agonist. He writes a weekly column for Taki’s Magazine, and his work has also appeared in Spectator USA, The American Spectator, The Daily Caller, American Thinker, Frontpage Magazine, New English Review, Jacobite Magazine, The Unz Review, VoegelinView, Splice Today, Expansive Poetry Online, and Ygdrasil, A Journal of the Poetic Arts. His Twitter handle is @CEGrotius.
, are quick to react to criticism with hysterical charges of “anti-Semitism.” Another apt comparison would be to the Islamic jihadists who, in response to any criticism, think they are justified in murdering the “infidels.”

One of the sharpest comments on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict belongs to Murray Rothbard, who was ethnically Jewish:

On the one hand there are the Palestinian Arabs, who have tilled the soil or otherwise used the land of Palestine for centuries; and on the other, there are a group of external fanatics, who come from all over the world, and who claim the entire land area as “given” to them as a collective religion or tribe at some remote or legendary time in the past. There is no way the two claims can be resolved to the satisfaction of both parties. There can be no genuine settlement, no “peace” in the face of this irrepressible conflict; there can only be either a war to the death, or an uneasy practical compromise which can satisfy no one. That is the harsh reality of the Middle East.

Americans need to ask themselves whether it’s worth being involved with this tragic situation and with Israel’s other enemies. Here, a major problem is the public’s lack of interest in foreign policy, something few people take the trouble to examine in depth. Likewise problematic is the uncritical acceptance of profoundly biased perspectives and opinions—the norm, as it were, in the corrupt and spineless media. In “An American Vulnerability,” an essay at my web journal The Agonist, Nicolas Hausdorf makes some perceptive points on these subjects. It is worth quoting him at length:

Geopolitical knowledge is Herrschaftswissen, or power-knowledge, which elites have an interest in isolating and monopolizing. For in the absence of popular approval, democratic scrutiny, and accountability, backroom deals can be negotiated between trade delegations and a horizon of constraints can be imposed on domestic policy-making. Such constraints usually don’t come to the fore until the promises of newly-elected officials fade away against the inertia of more discrete long-term strategies and obligation. Meanwhile, every deal struck creating de facto conditions beyond the reach of voters becomes further leverage against the public. Want economic independence? Well, those supply chains outsourced to Vietnam just won’t make this easy.

Although the problem of geopolitical ignorance is not specific to the US, but is increasingly common throughout the Western world, it is by far the most consequential in the US. In France, an imperial tradition of explaining politics with maps still persists in an academic discourse traditionally heavily focused on political geography which frequently seeps into public debate. In Russia, Vladmir Putin often speaks publicly in geopolitical categories. Russia’s most prominent intellectual, Alexander Dugin, is the author of a tract on geopolitics (Foundations of Geopolitics). Little wonder that Putin’s realism seems so shocking and hostile to incredulous Western audiences, who are not accustomed to conceiving of politics as primarily a positioning of military bases, fleets, and short-range missiles, and who fail to see what “value-based” interventions are generally all about.

Like the deluge of propaganda that has long facilitated America’s interventions in the Middle East, the political and media rhetoric on Venezuela has exposed this core weakness of US political culture once again: Dishonest media pundits use a simplistic culture-wars binary—socialism versus “free markets”—to reduce the complexity of international politics to a kind of morality play. Policy decisions, moreover, are frequently analyzed in terms of the personalities of politicians, a psychologisation of political discourse that conveniently overlooks the role of powerful networks and their long-term interests and strategic objectives.

It is clear that a citizenry that readily accepts this distorted simulacrum of politics is not capable of issuing a veto against a foreign policy undertaken by elites that have rarely benefited the citizens, even as the latter continue to pay the price for irresponsible elite ambitions. The lack of interest in international affairs must thus be understood as a crucial vulnerability of the democratic system. If America is to emancipate itself from its role as a golem of foreign powers and a spiteful transnational oligarchy, Americans will have to start paying attention to foreign policy. Geopolitics and geography are not exotic fads for map nerds. In an inescapably global world, they must above all be understood as a cultural immune system.

* * *

Again, outside of alternative media, one can hardly criticize Zionism from the right without facing reflexive charges of “anti-Semitism.” Rather strange, this, given Zionism’s left-wing origins. It goes without saying that criticizing Zionism does not entail anti-Semitism—after all, Jews themselves are disproportionately represented among critics of Zionism. Certainly, in criticizing Zionism, one should avoid the paranoid belief that Jews control the entire world. But neither should we be afraid to criticize Zionism just because some may smear us as “anti-Semitic.” Just as many conservatives, worried about being smeared as “racists,” shrink from criticizing black misbehavior and cultural dysfunction, so they lack the integrity to criticize Zionism, lest they be attacked as “anti-Semites.” Yet nothing could be more foolish than failing to identify false friends simply because people may say unpleasant things about you. A man who allows his enemies to decide his fate is a man who deserves defeat. Far better to follow William Blake’s maxim: “Always be ready to speak your mind and a base man will avoid you.”

Many Israeli Jews, a Jewish friend tells me, are baffled by the credulity of American Christian Zionists, and by the unwillingness of American conservatives to resist the Zionist foreign policy status quo. This is a cynically amusing situation, but also a very dangerous one. Oli Smith reports:

In an unprecedented move, Israel has expanded its attacks on Iranian targets, with two bombing strikes on Iran-run bases in Iraq in the space of ten days. The Israeli Air Force carried out the military strikes with F-35 jets, according to Asharq Al-Awsat, an Arabic-language newspaper published in London. News of the attacks comes just a day after the US and Israel tested a missile defence system which used targets “similar to Iranian nuclear missiles.”

Last week, a senior Israeli minister Tzachi Hanegbi boasted that Israel was the only country in the world that has been “killing Iranians.”

He said: “Israel strikes the Iranians hundreds of times in Syria, sometimes admits it and sometimes foreign reports reveal it.

Sometimes the chief of staff reveals it, sometimes the outgoing air force chief reveals it, but it’s all coordinated policy.”

In response to the Israeli-US moves, the head of Iran’s navy announced [a] series of joint military drills with Russia.

The drills will take place in the same waters in which the US has accused Iran of attacking and seizing international vessels.

Concerning these events, Michael Snyder writes:

The reason this is being called “an unprecedented move” is because this is the very first time since 1981 that we have seen Israeli airstrikes inside Iraq.

Needless to say, these latest airstrikes have absolutely enraged the Iranians. It looks like the Israeli government has determined that any Iranian military targets outside of Iran itself are fair game, and it is probably only a matter of time before Iran strikes back in a major way.

And if Iran ultimately decides that one of the best ways to strike back is to start hitting targets inside of Israel, that could be the spark that sets off a major war in the Middle East.

Which is precisely what the world does not need and what the U.S. has no interest in being a part of.

Says Sniegoski,

Given what Trump has already done for Israel and the Adelsons, it would be quite reasonable that the couple would believe that Trump would take a more militant stance toward Iran, even making war, in his second administration when he would not have to worry about re-election. Also, there is no evidence that any Democratic candidate for the presidency would do as much for Israel.

Trump, of course, wants to get re-elected in 2020, but knows that a war with Iran would make that virtually impossible, the public being fed up with our endless military follies abroad. Still, assuming he wins a second term, war with Iran may be a greater possibility than it is at present.

In any event, for its unyielding support for Israel, America has nothing to show but a more unstable Middle East, the resentment of the proud Arab world, and a massive amount of wasted resources. And now, having become more brazen in its expansions, and more insolent toward its neighbors—things it gets away with because it’s protected by American money and power—Israel increasingly finds itself isolated. This situation cannot go on as it is, and it cannot end well, either.

Notes

[1] It’s well known that the politically correct McCarthy, as editor of The American Conservative, ran Ron Unz out of that publication, even though Unz was the magazine’s publisher. McCarthy’s writings themselves over the years also attest to his careerism. In a 2001 piece at LewRockwell.com, “The Cult of Father Abraham,” McCarthy was fiercely critical of the Claremont Institute, and of the tireless Lincoln idolater Ken Masugi in particular. Having risen through the ranks of Conservatism Inc., McCarthy has nothing negative to say about Claremont today, but rather is a frequent contributor to its two publications, of which he speaks very highly. Again, in “Make-Believe Conservatism” and other earlier writings, McCarthy was quite harsh on National Review: “From the very beginning National Review was an imposture,” he said among other things. Last November, on a panel (sponsored by The National Review Institute) with former National Review editor John O’Sullivan, McCarthy was all praise for the magazine’s work through the years. Once anti-state and pretty libertarian, McCarthy now takes populist and nationalist positions that one won’t find at, say, Reason magazine. Of course, a man has a right to change his mind, and a man who hasn’t done so over the years has probably been dogmatic, intellectually lazy, or both; but in McCarthy’s case, one has the distinct impression of a professional conservative—as opposed to a principled intellectual—whose writing and editing conform to the agendas of donors and to the interests of the moment. In a 2003 article on H.L. Mencken, McCarthy asked: “If Mencken were alive today, who would publish him? For all the acknowledged power of his style, Mencken’s politics wouldn’t make the grade for the New Criterion or the American Spectator, or presumably any of the other major (neo)conservative publications that toe the same line.” And yet the editor of Modern Age—the former defender of H.L Mencken against his neocon critics, formerly so contemptuous of the National Review purges, and about as polemical as Paul Gottfried or Peter Brimelow—doesn’t publish anything remotely dissident right. McCarthy selling out, as it were, is disappointing in itself, but especially unfortunate since, unlike Jonah Goldberg, David French, and other mainstream conservatives, he’s a very capable writer and editor.

[2] Who, for her vulgar part, wants a “Book of Trump” in the Bible, given how good Trump has been to the Israelis. To be sure, Trump is loyal to them, though not to his white working-class voting base.

[3] By liberalizing the right and keeping white ethnocentrism off the table.

[4] The excitable character of many Jews, much commented on throughout history, and an object of humor among Jews themselves, may be more than just a reflection of their awareness of their past persecution by gentiles. I suspect that it, like the unusually uxorious nature of Jewish husbands, has something to do with the psychological dominance of mothers in Jewish families, a phenomenon that may make for a rather feminine sort of conditioning, and for a disproportionate number of neurotic characters. Is it merely a rumor that John Podhoretz and David Frum, during their recurring nightmares about “white nationalists,” are given to crying out for “mother dear”?

Christopher DeGroot is the editor of The Agonist. He writes a weekly column for Taki’s Magazine, and his work has also appeared in Spectator USA, The American Spectator, The Daily Caller, American Thinker, Frontpage Magazine, New English Review, Jacobite Magazine, The Unz Review, VoegelinView, Splice Today, Expansive Poetry Online, and Ygdrasil, A Journal of the Poetic Arts. His Twitter handle is @CEGrotius.

 
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  1. Israel is not a force for good in the ME.

    Israel is a force for destruction, death, and mayhem.

    And Mike Pence is a stupid cuck.

    • Agree: Alfred, DESERT FOX, Rurik, GeeBee
  2. ‘…To be sure, Zionism, in itself, isn’t a problem for America. Indeed, insofar as it embodies Western values, Israel is a force for good in the Middle East…’

    That’s where I got off the train.

  3. utu says:

    Confused fool.

    • Agree: Moi
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  4. Excellent article.

    The quote from Nicolas Hausdorf is a particularly good description of how the world works and the manner in which many of us are ignorant of the process. Especially appreciated is the first paragraph, and how it concludes by identifying the insidious binds we are placed in without our knowledge or consent:


    Meanwhile, every deal struck creating de facto conditions beyond the reach of voters becomes further leverage against the public. Want economic independence? Well, those supply chains outsourced to Vietnam just won’t make this easy.

    That describes how Americans have become entangled with East Asian economies and seemingly will never be able to extricate themselves.

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  5. in the context the right word is “discreet”.

  6. and as a group Zionists, like so many overly sensitive women[4], are quick to react to criticism with hysterical charges of “anti-Semitism.”

    Hypersensitivity is part of the explanation. The other part is the knowledge of how spectacularly well the tactic works. They call you an “anti-semite,” you spend the next ten years explaining that you’re not, in the mean time they get their way. Nice.

    None of this would be the case if cuckservatives weren’t such racial pushovers. As long as they’d rather lose an arm than racially stand up for themselves, I wouldn’t expect anything to change.

  7. Lot says:

    More central to the Zionist cause, though, are the useful Christian idiots. Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, and John Hagee

    You sure are smarter than those “idiots,” huh? Oh wait, you’re powerless, on the outside looking in, throwing bomblets that go ping without anyone noticing.

    But the opposite seems to be true for American Christians. Exactly what benefit do they get from Israel, their so-called greatest ally?

    They are just blind idiots, right? You and the “Jews killed JFK and Gen. Patton and did 9/11,” crowd, you all understand what’s what.

  8. “Last-minute funds from multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson were quite likely the key to Trump’s hairbreadth victory in the 2016 election.” Those crucial donations may have inspired a sense of obligation in Trump ….

    More likely Trump got a look at the still classified JFK files and realised what peril he might be in if he crossed Israel.

  9. In any event, for its unyielding support for Israel, America has nothing to show but a more unstable Middle East, the resentment of the proud Arab world, and a massive amount of wasted resources.

    It’s not the support for Israel that has kept the ME in the dust. It is simply the violence of Empire – for whom and why they bomb is secondary. If Israel actually acted as ‘the light unto the nations’ it fantasises about, then perhaps an unyielding support for Israel could have created a stable ME and no resentment. But for that to happen, the cult would have to be willing to engage in self reflection, and massively water down its us and them mentality. This is not historically what cults do.

    In any case – a crusade is a crusade is a crusade, even if this one was more sanctioned by the ‘Judeo’ of the Judeo-Christian lump of mass. Islam has cultural memory too.

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  10. anon[264] • Disclaimer says:

    “That’s where I got off the train.”

    No one’s perfect. Much of the article contained truths that need to be said. Anyway, I really don’t really care what other countries do overseas anyway. Israel can exist or not. My top priority is my own country.

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  11. anon[391] • Disclaimer says:

    Agree, though you got further than I did:

    Throughout history, Jews and Christians have not been friends so much as enemies. Although many on the dissident right may be reluctant to concede the point, there was a lot of Christian persecution of Jews in European history, particularly by Catholics, and today Jews tend to equate gentile nationalism with the Holocaust.

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    , @Oscar Peterson
  12. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:

    > men whose Christianity is perpetually for sale, like a whore on the corner

    True, true! Betrayal of kin and land is the very foundation of Christianity. Rabbi Jewsus offered a “hundredfold” bribe in payment for forsaking your own blood and soil.

    “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.” (((Matthew 19:29)))

  13. Seraphim says:

    When you ask who might be the ‘useful christian idiots’ one may look for answers. I did not waste too much time until I found a satisfactory answer (The Net is a goldmine when you ask the correct question) straight from the horse’s mouth (https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/zion-in-america-this-nations-unique-and-historic-relationship-to-the-jewish-homeland/):

    “Zion in America: This Nation’s Unique and Historic Relationship to the Jewish Homeland”, by Steven Windmueller, Ph.D., March 26, 2017:

    [MORE]

    “As thousands of pro-Israel activists gather this week in Washington, we are reminded of the special relationship that exists between the United States and the Jewish Homeland.
    From the outset of the founding of this nation, the idea of America as “the new Zion” would play a significant role. Following the American Revolution, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson attempted to tie the new nation to the story of the Exodus and more explicitly to the idea of redemption and freedom. “Because of the view that America is ‘a blessed nation on a divine mission,’” the early patriots employed these various Biblical themes. It should come as no surprise to find that American cities are named for biblical sites. Cities such as Bethlehem Pennsylvania, Jericho New York, and Providence Rhode Island represent three of more than one hundred names extracted from Biblical sources.
    Over the course of the past 240 years of America’s history, Jews have been committed to and involved with the political process as voters, commentators, candidates, and funders. The depth of their political participation reflects in no small measure their abiding sense that their religious culture and ethnic heritage has served as a political roadmap for this republic. Indeed, colonial Jews, as an example, would take great pride that their religious history would inform the American revolutionary story…
    Following the Protestant Reformation, Christians began to advocate for the restoration of the Jews to their land. Puritans would frequently pray for a Jewish return to the Holy Land. “They shall receive deliverance from their captivity, restoration unto their own land, with a blessed, flourishing, and happy condition therein.” Indeed, Puritans brought support for Jewish restoration to America. However it was not until the early 19th century that this idea gathered political impetus.
    President Ezra Stiles of Yale was an ardent supporter of Jewish restoration. In 1808, the Presbyterian leader Asa McFarland, proposed that once the Ottoman Empire collapsed, there would be a historic opportunity to permit the return of the Jewish people to their land. In 1825, Mordecai Noah, a leading Jewish figure of this period, wanted to establish a national home for Jews on Grand Island outside of Buffalo New York as a temporary Jewish site in preparation for the eventual return of the community to the Holy Land. This initiative received widespread Christian backing for his project…
    Other Christian traditions in this nation, in particular the Mormons, would define themselves as the “New Israelites,” drawing upon the “Old Testament” to explain their own oppression and historic journey to Utah. Viewing Salt Lake City as the “new Jerusalem,” the Church of Latter Day Saints would adopt much of the “Temple” literature and imagery in their practices…
    John Adams in a letter to his friend Thomas Jefferson would note: “I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize man than any other nation.” In a letter to Mordecai Noah, President Adams would comment: “I wish that you had been at the head of a one thousand Israelites, making a conquest of that country and restoring their nation. For I really wish the Jews again in Judea, as an independent nation, once restored to an independent government and no longer persecuted, they would soon wear away some of the asperities and peculiarities of their character…”
    Abraham Lincoln in an 1864 meeting with Canadian Christian Zionist, Henry Wentworth Monk, expressed the hope that Jews who were suffering oppression in Russia and Turkey be emancipated “by restoring them to their national home in Palestine.” “This was a noble dream,” said Lincoln, “one shared by many Americans.”…

    And it goes on and on and on, but the conclusion is: “The Zion saga is deeply embedded in the American story, in part defining the current relationship of the United States to the Jewish State”.
    It is ‘interesting’ that the great Abe, who owed so much to Russian help in winning his war, could not refrain himself to asperse them with the charge of ‘oppression of the Jews’!

    • Replies: @Anon
  14. GMC says:

    ” Israel has a lot of enemies” – we hear this a lot, especially from the politicians that get a free trip there – every year. Has anybody ever asked the simple question – WHY ? and exactly who is invading and bombing Israel ? The Why, always has fake Answer – unless one looks at the real deal answer – but then those folks are sometimes called – Anti semitic. But then, I would rather be an Anti semitic , than an Anti Christ. And this is what it all boils down to ! Thanks Unz Review

  15. A123 says:

    The real U.S. alliance between Jews and Christians comes from Main Street, not Country Clubs. Muslim violence against Main Street America has forged the two groups together for self defense. How many examples do you need? I list just a few below, but I could provide more if needed. Many, many more, if I include Islamic attacks against the Christian Main Streets of Europe.

    “Judeo-Christianity.” We encounter this phrase often on the right, … it’s not at all clear what it refers to.

    The most common usage of “Judeo-Christianity” refers to the a shared belief in the Old Testament. The two faiths have a common spiritual basis and moral foundation. For example, The Ten Commandments.

    In a futile attempt to break into this bond, Islamic Taqiyya deception falsely claims that that Muslims also believe in the Old Testament. However, facts easily disprove this assertion. The Islamic commandment to Jihad “Thou shall kill the Infidel.” Is in direct opposition to the Sixth Commandment “Thou shalt not kill.” The Quran and the Old Testament are mutually exclusive.

    Throughout history, Jews and Christians have not been friends so much as enemies. Although many on the dissident right may be reluctant to concede the point, there was a lot of Christian persecution of Jews in European history, particularly by Catholics,

    Certainly true. When there is no more Muslim Jihadi Violence binding Christians and Jews together, perhaps the old grudges will return. However, as long as Violent Islam threatens Main Street America the ties between Main Street Christians and Main Street Jews will be strong.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    ____

    Justine Damond, gunned down by a Muslim police officer in Minnesota after she called for help.

    The Pulse Nightclub in Orlando. Regardless of whether Main Street parents approve of the club, kids go where bands are. Their children could have been in the way when Islam killed 39 youths.

    How about the Main Street Christmas party and baby shower thrown for a newly wed Muslim couple in San Bernardino? 14 Dead and 17 Wounded at Muslim hands. An act of Christian generosity met with slaughter.

    https://nypost.com/2015/12/03/muslim-newlyweds-slaughter-coworkers-who-threw-them-a-baby-shower/

    What more needs to be said?

  16. SFG says:

    The only thing I’d point out is that you’re not going to get European Catholics to come here. Why would a Bavarian want to come to a huge country where he doesn’t speak the language and is only mildly wealthier (if at all) and where he runs the risk of getting bankrupt if he loses his job and gets sick?

    White people don’t want to come here anymore, because Europe is better now.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @peterike
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  17. What Mathew Schmitz offers Working Class Native Born White American Males is Cuckholdery…And Cuckholdery is Faggotry….

    LA RAZA Males will not be making arguments to have themselves racially displaced on LIVING AND BREEDING SPACE they have conquered and colonized…not a snow balls chance in hell….AOC would never tolerate that….

  18. Frankie P says:
    @Lot

    Is it just me, or is this Lot troll behaving and responding more and more like someone having a panic attack, an anxiety sufferer. The dam is breached, the goys are catching on, and old Lot has doubled his efforts to either ad hominem critics of Jewish behavior or coopt the alt-right to the cause of “it’s the evil Muslim against ‘Judeo-Christian’ civilization”. News flash: there never was, nor will there ever be, a “Judeo-Christian civilization”. Unless concerned Christians get a clue and take some much-needed action, there will be a “Judeo-destroyed Christian civilization”. Go back to the cave and ***k your daughters, Lot, you sick man.

  19. Hubbub says:

    Just a small editing point:

    … ask the well-healed to pledge… should read …ask the well-heeled to pledge…

    • Replies: @anon
  20. Been waiting for this truck load of truth for a while. Great article which is correct on every point you make.

    • Replies: @anon
  21. @Ilya G Poimandres

    It is simply the violence of Empire – for whom and why they bomb is secondary.

    No, there are definitely reasons why the Empire bombs country A rather than country B — it’s not random. But you’re apparently an example of those who can’t (or just won’t) cultivate a knowledge of geopolitics.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  22. @A123

    The real U.S. alliance between Jews and Christians comes from Main Street, not Country Clubs. Muslim violence against Main Street America has forged the two groups together for self defense.

    Sorry, but ordinary white Christians in this country are about a thousand times more likely to be killed by some black thug than by a Moslem terrorist of any race. So where’s the Main Street ‘Judeo-Christian’ alliance against black thuggery?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Anonymous
  23. @Lot

    Pssst, hey Lot, you mad? Is this the main reason?

    Oh wait, you’re powerless, on the outside looking in, throwing bomblets that go ping without anyone caring beyond laughing at your whining.

    Keep ’em coming! Tsk, tsk.

  24. Overall, this was a good piece. I’m not going to nitpick (though I could), because it seems that–to the extent he hasn’t figured it out already–Christopher DeGroot’s on the verge of figuring out (((the rest of the story))) very soon. Geopolitics is an excellent place to start; now on to high finance and cultural Bolshevism!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. @A123

    Sixth commandment is ‘though shall not commit murder’ – state sanctioned killing was always a-OK. Otherwise how would you get all the stonings and righteous genocides?

    Jihad is the principe of self defence without the need for the part of the Ummah being attacked to invite the defenders. It’s not much different from international law, and certainly no different from what the AnZi Empire has done for decades.

    Islam is mostly violent from 1000 years of foreign attack. Like all religions (other than Jainism and Buddhism to my understanding), they accept violence at some point, which is an error, but hey, then we have to deal with Shimeon bar Yochai too.

    Jews will forever hate Christians, because true Christians are the continuation of the line of Judah after the apocalypse of 70AD. Not that the post-exilic faith was anything more than a cult already, but both the old faith and the bloodline were lost at that date.

    That they insist that there is a new covenant, that God does not keep two covenants, meaning the old one is but a shadow, is irreconcilable.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @A123
  26. anon[368] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh, if only we could hear Revilo Oliver’s response to Schmitz’ blatherings!

  27. @Digital Samizdat

    Sorry – I stated my point badly. The bombed don’t care for the machinations of the bombers. They care for not being bombed. Of course the geopolitics matters when mounting a response, but the initial reaction is simply to the bombing.

    It is not the support of Israel that is the issue – it is Israel’s desire for tyranny that is primary. Though I am splitting hairs!

  28. Catholic migrants from Central America now have more in common with our Puritan forebears than do most Europeans. Their Church still proclaims the bodily resurrection of Christ, still believes in original sin and predestination, still opposes the evil of contraception. These are things the Puritans professed but many Protestant bodies, and many residents of formerly Protestant states – including Wax’s favoured “First World” countries – no longer believe. Central Americans should be favoured over Europeans under any immigration policy based on cultural distance.
     

    Pew economics at play. The RCC is bleeding members especially among the “post-Christian” Generation Z. Miguels, who account for one-third of the membership, are clearly the future.

    To be sure, Zionism, in itself, isn’t a problem for America. Indeed, insofar as it embodies Western values, Israel is a force for good in the Middle East. The problem is that just as from the neoconservative movement to the current nationalism movement Jewish interests have determined how America defines itself, so Zionist interests have determined our foreign policy in the Middle East. Bibi Netanyahu assumes Israeli expansion and aggression in the volatile region will be supported by the U.S. Meanwhile, lobbying groups in D.C. strive to keep the public from perceiving this immense liability, diligently propagating the view that Israel is our friend, while Iran, suffering under sanctions, is “a threat.”

    ‘Western values’ and ‘good’. Really?

    America is the chief guarantor of the ethnostate which wouldn’t be a ‘going concern’ without this prop. This is what motivates Zionists.

  29. anon[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hubbub

    No, actually it is “healed;” they’ve been washed in the blood of the Lamb!

  30. anon[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    “The two faiths have a common spiritual basis and moral foundation. For example, The Ten Commandments.”

    So, you’re one of those useful idiots who thinks the Jews follow the “Old Testament” rather than the Talmud? Goyishe kopf!

  31. Emslander says:

    Your ignorance on the evils of contraception destroys anything else you argue. If German-Americans had continued to have children at normal rates through the latter quarter of the twentieth century, there would be no immigration invasion, leftist fascism or $25T national debt. I suppose there’d be issues, but a bustling, prosperous country would be able to resolve them.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Mount Brainier
  32. A strong Iran is an impediment to Israeli exercise of hegemony over the Near East.

  33. anarchyst says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism is the Ten Commandments–nothing more.

    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.

    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status–not true of judaism.
    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock–subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews.

    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II ecumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ’s murder. As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them–the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way).

    It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jews have no respect, unlike Muslims for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.

    It is time the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
    , @TKK
  34. Jake says:

    Zionist Christians (who are heretics) are not for sale. They cannot be bought by any highest bidder. They are loyal to the heresy and all its fruits. They do what they do because of their religious beliefs and their sense of ethno-culture (English-speaking Protestant).

    And they are perfectly logical fruit of WASP culture, the form that retains deep religious belief. Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. Judaizing heresy is, and always has been, the core of WASP culture’ Judaizing heresy is indispensable to WASP culture.

    You cannot solve the Zionist problem without also solving the WASP problem.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Cleburne
  35. peterike says:
    @SFG

    White people don’t want to come here anymore, because Europe is better now.

    It’s not 1980 anymore.

  36. Alfred says:

    Indeed, insofar as it embodies Western values, Israel is a force for good in the Middle East.

    The writer is surely being sarcastic. What Western Value does he refer to ? The right to wipe out the indigenous populations?

    It is like another favourite phrase of the pundits – “Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East”. Give us a break! If Israel were remotely democratic the religious freaks would have to do their military service like other Jews. Do you think the Palestinians whose land and houses are being continuously stolen and demolished have any say?

  37. @War for Blair Mountain

    Seriously…Mathew Schmitz is a gd faggot….

  38. Jake says:

    Matthew Schmitz is a Catholic who is also a ‘good American.’ For example, every Catholic with some basic knowledge knows, and is willing to assert, that the Puritans were murderous heretics. The WASPed Catholic, the Catholic who has elevated his assimilation to WASP culture to virtual equality with his religion, is the obverse; he wishes to be seen as acceptable to the standards of WASP development, which features the Puritans.

    And because Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy, the WASPed Catholic will bow and scrape to almost all slightly diluted forms of Zionism and the cultural politics of Judaizing: which always are anti-Christ and anti-Christendom and anti-white because whites created and administered Christendom.

    WASP culture is and always has been in rebellion against Christendom, just like Jews, who became the indispensable bankers for WASP culture starting with archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell.

  39. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Scofield didn’t write Zionism into the Bible. Zionism has been on the pages of the Jewish story-tellers’ Holy Hook from the very beginning…

    [MORE]

    • Matthew 21:5 “Say to Daughter Zion, ‘See, your king comes to you.”
    • John 12:15 “Do not be afraid, Daughter Zion; see, your king is coming.”
    • Romans 9:33 “See, I lay in Zion a stone…”
    • Romans 11:26 “The deliverer will come from Zion…”
    • Hebrews 12:22 “Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.”
    • 1 Peter 2:6 “See, I lay a stone in Zion.”
    • Revelation 14:1 “Standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000.”

  40. @A123

    Muslim violence against Main Street America has forged the two groups together for self defense

    LOL

    SPLC:

    September 11th Attacks Cause Anti-Muslim Backlash

    The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 trigger a violent outbreak of American xenophobia against Arab Americans and others perceived to be Arab or Muslim

    ADL:

    Anti-Muslim Activity Escalates in U.S. Following Paris Attacks

    Following the terrorist events in Paris, hostility and attacks against the Muslim community around the country have escalated

    PIECE

  41. A123 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Sorry, but ordinary white Christians in this country are about a thousand times more likely to be killed by some black thug than by a Moslem terrorist of any race. So where’s the Main Street ‘Judeo-Christian’ alliance against black thuggery?

    There are several related reasons. Not comprehensive, but among the larger factors are:

    -1- Media coverage. Your hypothetical black thug is most likely to target another black. Look up the numbers on the black-on-black crime rates in Chicago. However the death toll is rarely covered for political reasons.

    -2- Emotional response. One mass murder of 17 people generates more connection and response than 17 separate and unconnected murders of a single unrelated individuals. Your thug example is more akin to the latter.

    -3- Religion. Religious acts are more charged than the same act with no known motivation. Screaming “Allah Akbar”, while butchering an innocent Christian guarantees an intense religious response from Christian U.S. Main Street.

    -4- Choice of Victim. Killing children or the defenseless, produces a stronger reaction. Killing women generates a stronger reaction than killing men.

    _____

    If you want to say that the reaction is not a 100% ivory tower pure example of rational thought. Feel free. The human condition is not exclusively rational.

    PEACE 😇

  42. A123 says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Jihad is the principe of self defence without the need for the part of the Ummah being attacked to invite the defenders.

    An excellent example of Taqiyya deception. The #1 Muslim lie is, “Islam is a religion of peace.”

    Jihad has nothing to do with self defense. It a religious duty to conquest (1):

    Muslims are not only allowed, but encouraged to lie to kuffar, or non-Muslims, to either defeat or convert them, and take over their lands. These are repeated many times in Quran, Hadith, and Sunnath.

    Follow the link below for many additional examples.

    PEACE 😇

    _________

    (1) http://www.freedompost.org/islam/deception/common-taqiyya-or-islamic-lies-and-deceptions-by-muslims.html

  43. The Christian right is pimping for zionism and the wars of destruction that Israel has the zio/US fighting for zionists in the mideast. The fact is that there will be no peace in the mideast as long as zionist Israel controls the zio/US and zionists have controlled America since 1913 with the zionist banking kabals creation of their privately owned FED and IRS.

    Israel and the zio/US and zio/Britain are under the control of criminals and terrorists who have created AL CIADA aka ISIS and all offshoots thereof and so ask , who is the terrorists , the ones who create them or the puppets used in the killing fields, the answer is both!

    The zionists are using America to destroy the mideast and to create a satanic zionist NWO and when the zionists get done with America we will be destroyed just like the mideast.

    • Agree: GMC, Druid
  44. @SFG

    When Jews resort to repetitive call of term Judeo_ Christianity it is certain indication that Jews worry. So far I do not see any trouble for Jews, (yet), But than I am dumb.
    (Maybe because Iran now seized three Tankers ?)

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Wally
  45. @A123

    Whataboutisms, but how is this different from the history of Judaism and its changing of names in the Talmud to hide their vengeful ideologies?

    Sure, taqiyaa is not beneficial, nor is ghira.

    As for the rest, silence is acquiescence I assume!

    • Replies: @A123
  46. @anarchyst

    I mostly agree, but absolving the Jews of their sin is the definition of turning the other cheek! In the end it was a sin of that generation. That they didn’t learn and only hardened their ideology is a related but different matter.

  47. Many Israeli Jews, a Jewish friend tells me, are baffled by the credulity of American Christian Zionists

    Meaning ‘Evangelists’ – i.e. the most brainwashed idiots on the planet. They’ve been all taught the same blatant misreadings of the Bible to justify their idiotic devotion and cult of slavery to Zionism.

  48. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    “Catholic migrants from Central America now have more in common with our Puritan forebears than do most Europeans. Their Church still proclaims the bodily resurrection of Christ, still believes in original sin and predestination, still opposes the evil of contraception. These are things the Puritans professed but many Protestant bodies, and many residents of formerly Protestant states – including Wax’s favoured “First World” countries – no longer believe.”

    Also, they bring a whole lot more stuff our Puritan forbears believed: witchcraft, bleeding, spontaneous generation of maggots, young-Earth creationism, etc. What a paradise they would build, a true Shining City on the Hill. All they need are buckles for their hats. And hats.

  49. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Emslander

    You sound like Buckley (and that’s not a good thing): the more children we have, the MORE LIKELY some one of them will grow up to be a scientist who can solve all the problems of overpopulation. Genius!

    • Replies: @Emslander
  50. anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    “Judeo-Christianity” gained prominence in USA only in the era of the zionist wars in Europe that Americans were suckered into —
    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=judeo-christian&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cjudeo%20-%20christian%3B%2Cc0

    Muslim migration to USA is a much more recent phenomenon.

    One of Germany’s activities that most enraged zionist Jews was the attempt spearheaded by Walter Grundmann, of Protestant Christians in Germany during the NSDAP era to separate the Hebrew influence from the ways that Germans expressed their Christianity.

  51. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    You assess what people know/think by what they way/publish? Lol.

    DeGroot, I wish we’d get more of him on this site, he’s a singularly truth-daring character, most interesting when he talks about human nature, and women’s nature, at large.

  52. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    “solving the WASP problem.”

    Yeah, yeah. But I want the things WASPs gave us: clean water, hospitals, modern civ. in general. Oh, and no religion, a la the Deists of the Founding. That would suit me just fine.

    “But what did the Romans ever do for us?”

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  53. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    “WASP culture is and always has been in rebellion against Christendom, just like Jews, who became the indispensable bankers for WASP culture starting with archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell.”

    Too right, mate. We should all return to kissing the Pope’s foot. Right after he gets done kissing the Africans’ feet.

  54. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:

    To be sure, Zionism, in itself, isn’t a problem for America. Indeed, insofar as it embodies Western values, Israel is a force for good in the Middle East.

    What?

  55. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    If, like a number of commenters here, you think that Protestantism is some kinda “heresy” that leads to Zionist domination, then I guess you think (or at least imply) that Catholic Christendom circa 1500 was fundamentally OK. If so, then

    1. That’s absurd
    2. A return to that ain’t gonna happen, like all the other LARPing ideas about returning to some “premodern” paradise.
    3. The actual Catholic Church has become Protestantized, so it seems like an inevitable development of some kind of inner logic.
    4.You are as anti-American as any Moslem or African.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  56. TKK says:
    @anarchyst

    Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel.

    You are aware millions of Christians travel to Israel yearly? Visit their holy sites, stay in nice hotels, eat hummus, buy knick knacks and come home happy- spit free?

    It’s the wailing baby that is social media- but aren’t any of you even chagrinned to speak with authority and absolute certainty about a place you’ve never set foot?

    The old fashioned word is “ blow hard”.

    Cliff Clavens Unite!!!

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @David
    , @Druid
  57. Cleburne says:
    @Jake

    Brother Jake, leaving aside the fact that your knowledge of Puritanism and Protestantism is pretty negligible, and likely derived from E Michael Jones, how do you propose to deal with this WASP problem?

    Protestantism has gone badly wrong in the last 175 years or so thanks largely to Yankee Unitarians and the Social Gospel and so on. But in the 16th Century there was no shortage of good reasons — probably just as many as today if not more so — to spurn and reject Popery and all its works. You and E Michael Jones seem to believe that Holy Mommy Church is never wrong.

    Well, guess what. You and E Michael are delusional. Popery is as corrupt and stupid, albeit in a different way, as Protestantism. The only church that can realistically claim to have preserved Tradition is the Orthodox, particularly the Russian Orthodox Church. It sure as hell ain’t you and your lot.

    And just to preempt your next volley: Cromwell did not “allow the Jews” back into England. That was Charles II. There was no shortage of Puritan objections to the readmission. William Prynne, for example. I

    • Replies: @Alden
  58. nsa says:

    “If Mencken were alive today, who would publish him?”
    He would be published everywhere, including the Jew York Times and the Wall Street Urinal, as ole Hank was a jew acolyte of sorts. Mencken was fond of lampooning easy targets like southerners, commies, socialists, liberals, silly college profs, the clergy, Brits, evangelists, etc…..but like his hero, Nietzsche, he knew the exact location of the line across which loomed silencing and literary banishment , and that line even in the early 1900s was the jew. Ole Hank had a go at almost everyone, except the jew, and even made several fawning trips to the Levant where he praised the antics of the jew extravagantly while seriously denigrating the arab. Even when his own teutonic relatives were being butchered in two jew inspired world wars, he never overtly fingered the jew, instead mostly blaming wasps and the Brits. During both world wars, Mencken voluntarily silenced himself and his weekly Baltimore Sun columns just disappeared. Perhaps witnessing the demolition of Henry Ford scared him off, but you can read his complete body of work without finding any serious criticism of the jew. Such was the courage of the great man.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  59. anarchyst says:
    @TKK

    Israeli authorities keep close tabs on the tourist areas in order to avoid “disrespect” to their Christian “guests”. Travel outside the tourist areas as well as to Gaza is discouraged by the authorities who tell insistent visitors that their safety cannot be guaranteed. This discouragement is a part of Israeli policy…
    Your hasbara attitude is showing…

    • Replies: @TKK
  60. anarchyst says:
    @anon

    It’s Catholicism that instituted the first educational systems and hospitals…not protestantism…
    Protestantism instituted the false “judeo-Christian” heresy that continues to this day. The Vatican II “ecumenical council” cemented this false doctrine into modern-day Catholicism.

    • Replies: @Anon
  61. Wally says:
    @Frankie P

    “Is it just me, or is this Lot troll behaving and responding more and more like someone having a panic attack, an anxiety sufferer. ”

    Desperate best describes Lot.

  62. @Robert Dolan

    Yes, I cannot believe that DeGroot said that, and almost stopped reading. When the Zionists were searching for a homeland, other possible sites were mentioned beside Israel, Texas being one of them.

    If the Jews demand for a homeland could not have been stopped as it should have, giving up Texas would have been better than the ticking time bomb we have now. First, Jews have already taken control over the country, so how could giving them Texas be any worse? There are plenty of Christian Zionists living there who would be happy to accommodate them and change their citizenship. They are already Jews in everything but name only anyway. Everyone else living in Texas would be free to emigrate to the remaining 49 states.

    Second, it would end the Mideast problem and Mideast wars, but perhaps I am being naive here. Muslim v Muslim wars hardly matter as long as our country isn’t involved.

    Third, while Americans are unable to build a border wall with Mexico, Jews would not be so squeamish. Just look how they’ve shut down all immigration to Israel with their high walls, and using US tax dollars to do it.

    • Replies: @A123
  63. Wally says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    said:
    “So far I do not see any trouble for Jews, (yet), But then I am dumb.”

    I disagree, there is indeed “trouble for Jews”, at least for those that cling to impossible lies. The “trouble” just beneath the surface is the crumbling “holocaust” narrative (the big enabler) and their desperate attempts to silence free speech which concerns it.
    It isn’t working as more & more people are aware of that fraud and are speaking up. Hence all this Google, YouTube, Twitter censorship and calls for legislative action against “hate speech”. The damn is leaking and cannot be fixed.

    Truth is hate to those who hate the truth.

    And no, you are not dumb, Ilyana. Cheers

    new: Official list of Revisionist scholars persecuted / imprisoned for questioning the “Holocaust” : https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12642

    – Below is where free speech on the truly impossible “holocaust” storyline is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes. Those are obvious admissions that the storyline doesn’t stand up to scientific, logical, & rational scrutiny.

  64. @Colin Wright

    Aside from this sentence, the article overall addresses many relevant issues, though the inclusion of this sentence makes me wonder if any American or Western critic of Israel has to buy an insurance policy against the wrath of world Jewry by mixing such a nonsensical statement in tandem with a critical stand against the nefarious role of Zionism on America’s foreign policy. After all, DeGroot is smart enough to state in which way Israel is a force of good in the Middle East. I hope that Mr. DeGroot does not consider apartheid, mass murder and indiscriminate bombing of civilians and usurpation through sheer might as part of Western Values.

    ‘ Israel is good’ is a blatant oxymoron unless we specify what bad thing Israel is good at.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  65. David says:
    @TKK

    Might he have mistaken slim trails for spit?

    • Replies: @TKK
  66. A123 says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    If you don’t want to go down the terminology route, fair enough.

    Every text has problematic phrases. Christianity has Exodus 22:18 “Thou shalt not suffer the witch to live.” In many ways the various Christian Bibles have some of the worst language because the good book is being perpetually edited. The St. James bible is the most used, but is only one version. The saving grace is that almost every Christian accepts that The Bible is a book translated, retranslated, and edited by multiple generations of fallible humans. Very few Christians take their version of the Bible as absolute truth in every facet.
    _____

    So, if we don’t have text, should we go by violent actions?

    Recent history only. Locations in, primarily Christian countries of Western Europe and the U.S.

    The tiny % of the population that is:

    — MUSLIM — Multiple bombings and shootings of Christians at public places like Pulse Nightclub, The Bataclan, Manchester Arena, etc…

    — JEWISH — No mass murders of Christians.

    So, based on actions which religion should Christians find most worrisome? The one that committed multiple mass murders in Christian lands?

    PEACE 😇

  67. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:

    The article mentions Christian persecution of Jews throughout the years. But the Jews struck first! First when they had Jesus killed. Jesus, whom was sent to them. And then, if you read the book of Acts in the Bible, they immediately started relentlessly persecuting Jesus’s followers – the earliest Christians.

    The Judeo-Christian phrase just causes mass confusion. Because Judaism is one of the most vindictive religions around, whereas Christ taught forgiveness. They are not compatible.

    So the Israelites had a covenant with God thousands of years ago? Maybe they became so arrogant and dogmatic that God sent Jesus to them to correct their ways with his teachings and salvation. And what did they do? Kill him. In my opinion, at that point they broke their covenant with God and ceased being God’s chosen people. Then the Holy Spirit went out into the Gentiles, and the rest is history.

  68. A123 says:
    @follyofwar

    If the Jews demand for a homeland could not have been stopped as it should have, giving up Texas would have been better than the ticking time bomb we have now. First, Jews have already taken control over the country, so how could giving them Texas be any worse?

    If somebody locates a time machine there a number of options.

    Providing just compensation so relocation was honorable, along with making it mandatory, would have done a great deal. If the total number of Muslims occupying Jewish land in Judea and Samaria was near zero we wouldn’t have the powder keg we have today. Unfortunately, there is no way to go back and fix the original separation.

    If we ever have to separate populations in the future, the division of Jews and Muslims is a perfect example of almost EVERY mistake that humankind could be made.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Rurik
  69. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:

    Like the deluge of propaganda that has long facilitated America’s interventions in the Middle East, the political and media rhetoric on Venezuela has exposed this core weakness of US political culture once again: Dishonest media pundits use a simplistic culture-wars binary—socialism versus “free markets”—to reduce the complexity of international politics to a kind of morality play. Policy decisions, moreover, are frequently analyzed in terms of the personalities of politicians, a psychologisation of political discourse that conveniently overlooks the role of powerful networks and their long-term interests and strategic objectives.

    The targets of these deceptions would never bear living without these deceptions (without deceptions, or with deceptions of lesser quality); and that’s what propels one, and nother another one, a group, and not another group, up in the popularity/power ladder.

    The few who don’t find a place in the system (or don’t find any of their liking) may keep highlighting its comedic misery (what from their point of view is comedic misery); it still won’t alter.

  70. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    You mean they should decide what to get outraged over, triggered by, angered at? LOL. That’s not how nature means it. It’s to the leaders to decide such matters.

  71. TKK says:
    @anarchyst

    That’s just not accurate. White Americans can go anywhere in Israel- they shrug if you overstay your visa.

    You’ve never been.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  72. @anon

    I guess you think (or at least imply) that Catholic Christendom circa 1500 was fundamentally OK

    What’s wrong with the Renaissance?

    I have no problem with this:

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  73. I’m sick to death hearing about how the Jews manipulate the U.S.

    • Replies: @Futurethirdworlder
  74. TKK says:
    @David

    Slime?

    That’s a good one.

    The point is, if actual conditions are exaggerated- the actual harm is lost.

    We are all thrown out as histrionic tin foil hat wearers that simply hate Jews.

    Their- American Jews and Democrats- agitation and propaganda to force a non Western, non white boot on our throat is dismissed.

    Are some conclusions about race and culture absolute? Probably not. Every time I write off the whole black race, I met someone black that just wants to work and be left alone. Decent.

    I know distinction and nuance is not what sells today in our fruit fly attention span, but to write off all Jews as inherently malevolent is a doomed strategy.

    Indeed, the owner of this site is a Jew, and has the lightest hand on censorship I have seen. Indeed, he seems to have a steady disdain… contempt…of his own race, which is best left for him to sort out with his own counsel.

    • Agree: David
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  75. Emslander says:
    @anon

    No, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that our population problem is a problem of too few people being born and surviving the glorious adventure of ordering to their good purpose the physical universe we were given to subdue. The greatest error of our time has been the idea that human beings are the problem. I absolutely don’t care which race or races these new people should have come from. Sorry if that’s too Christian an idea for you.

    • Replies: @Mount Brainier
  76. Rurik says:
    @A123

    Muslims occupying Jewish land in Judea and Samaria

    maybe the Holocaust wasn’t history, but prophecy

    hmm..

  77. anarchyst says:
    @TKK

    “You’ve never been.”

    Don’t bet on your assumption…

  78. renfro says:
    @A123

    The real U.S. alliance between Jews and Christians comes from Main Street, not Country Clubs. Muslim violence against Main Street America

    Everyone here knows that if it wasn’t for Jews like you and Israel Muslims would have no resentment toward America.
    So for any acts of Muslim violence, which are very few, you are to blame.

    • Replies: @A123
  79. renfro says:

    To be sure, Zionism, in itself, isn’t a problem for America. Indeed, insofar as it embodies Western values, Israel is a force for good in the Middle East.

    I have two sentences for the author:
    Its the Stupidity Stupid !
    Its the Corruption Stupid !

    The following was written about Israel but also applies to the US under Jewish influence. And while the dim wit natters natter on and go round and round like hamsters on cage wheel nattering about whatever their ‘thing’ is the Mafia Members laugh their asses off.

    Mafia States
    Organized Crime Takes Office

    Moises Naim, a Washington DC-based thinker who penned the watershed essay “Mafia States,” has delineated several stages through which a state descends into mafia statehood.
    *The first is called “criminal penetration,” when a criminal organization is able to place “one of its own” in the state structure.
    *The second is “criminal infiltration,” which Naim defines as “when the infection has spread throughout the state apparatus within the given country, and the linkages to external illicit networks proliferate.”
    *Finally, there is a stage called “criminal capture” which is defined as “the condition of dysfunctional governance in which criminal agents are so sufficiently prominent in positions of state authority that their criminal actions cannot effectively be restrained by the state. At some point, it may become part of state or substate institutional doctrine to engage in illicit activity.”
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2012-04-20/mafia-states

    The US is in the final stage and every American needs to understand that it was and is the Jewish Zionist influence in our governing bodies that made what should be illegal legal, what should be treason anti-Semitism, what should be immoral moral, what should be free speech hate speech.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  80. A123 says:
    @renfro

    So for any acts of Muslim violence, which are very few, you are to blame.

    Yes, I think I understand you logic. Let me rephrase so you can be more clear:

    — Violent Muslims are incapable of self control.
    — When a Muslim commits a violent act it is never the fault of the Violent Religion that teaches Violent Jihad against Infidels.
    — Violence against innocent Infidels is justifiable because a limited number of Infidel government leaders made choices that Violent Islam disagrees with.

    At its simplest your argument boils down to…. Privileged Muslims are above the law and incapable of self control when inflamed by Infidel behavior. What’s next for your “Blame the Victim”, Violent Muslim morality? Let me guess…
    — The woman deserved what the Violent Muslim male did to her because she was wearing a skirt not a Hijab?
    _____

    Christian fears about Muslim behavior are justified. Thank you for helping me prove my point.

    PEACE. 😇

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @renfro
  81. @Jake

    As true about behavior exhibited as widely among American Catholics as it is disgusting. It gives the sense of cowering to intimidation:

    And because Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy, the WASPed Catholic will bow and scrape to almost all slightly diluted forms of Zionism and the cultural politics of Judaizing: which always are anti-Christ and anti-Christendom and anti-white because whites created and administered Christendom.

    WASP culture is and always has been in rebellion against Christendom, just like Jews…

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  82. @TKK

    He (Mr. Unz) “seems to have a steady distain…contempt… of his own race.”

    Judaism is NOT a race. It is a religion, a way at looking at life, even if one is an atheist or agnostic (as most are). For example, even Jews who are atheists, and do not participate in any other religious observances, still believe that they MUST circumcise their 8 day old sons. To not do so means that one is NOT a real Jew, whatever that is.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @TKK
  83. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    That’s interesting. By the population numbers, the United States had and has a much larger relationship with the German Homeland.

  84. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    — Violent Muslims are incapable of self control.

    Islam is a derivative of Judaism. There is no violence in Islam, especially in its ultimate aims, that is not in Judaism.

    Moreover, Judaism is happy to use Islam as its army and tool (see Spain around 700 AD, see the United States, see modern Europe) unless it is trying to justify its presence in the Middle East. Its typical both sides of the mouth Jewish propaganda.

    — When a Muslim commits a violent act it is never the fault of the Violent Religion that teaches Violent Jihad against Infidels.

    Islam is a mirror of Judaism. Nothing more. The world would be extremely lucky and unburdened to be rid of all of these Semitic religions at once.

    — Violence against innocent Infidels is justifiable because a limited number of Infidel government leaders made choices that Violent Islam disagrees with.

    According to the Zohar, Tanakh, and Talmud, violence against gentiles is justified under the same premise.

    At its simplest your argument boils down to…. Privileged Muslims are above the law and incapable of self control when inflamed by Infidel behavior.

    Jew, that’s exactly what your religion says about Jews. I’m not going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are projecting. You are being intentionally deceitful, as usual. The eternal lying Jew. Always fully deserved of his eventual fate.

    What’s next for your “Blame the Victim”, Violent Muslim morality? Let me guess…
    — The woman deserved what the Violent Muslim male did to her because she was wearing a skirt not a Hijab?

    Blame the victim is literally the primary operating procedure of Judaism. See the King David Hotel Bombing. See Israel’s oppression, mass detention, and consistent murder of Palestinian civilians. Which all give Germany much more credibility in terms of what they said about Judaism and Jews.

    Christian fears about Muslim behavior are justified. Thank you for helping me prove my point.

    Our fear of all of the insane Semitic apocalyptic religions is justified: Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. All based on Judaic scheming for murder, national destruction, and world control.

    Take your primitive propaganda to the CNN comments section.

    • Replies: @A123
  85. Mike Hite says:
    @A123

    I get your Taqiyya point.

    But for some reason the jews who are always pushing the muslims are bad for israel are always pushing that muslims are good for America and we should let them all in. Plus the covert alliance between israel and muslim suadi arabia (which funds wahabbi fundamentalism in America and Europe) to destroy iran.

  86. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Judaism is NOT a race.

    Oh shut up with that bullshit. Pry it anywhere else. Jews are a race and that isn’t debatable. They are more prone to inbreeding disease than European gentiles (for whom it isn’t remotely an issue), for pity’s sake. They are a race. A small minority of Ethiopians and a few legitimate show converts doesn’t change that fact. Two Jewish non-relatives most often look more like siblings than me and my brother. And our family is 100% from Northwestern Europe.

    It is a religion, a way at looking at life, even if one is an atheist or agnostic (as most are).

    It is not. It is a mafia couched in religion. The entirety of Jewish texts is geared toward accomplishing political and military aims. Actual religions are concerned with the metaphysical soul. Judaism doesn’t even believe in an afterlife. Its a material strategy for material gain of the entire world. Per the Tanakh. One doesn’t even have to go into the Talmud of Zohar for this information, although in those places those aims are stated in direct, non-coded langauge (though the primary code of the Tanakh is remarkably simplistic).

    For example, even Jews who are atheists, and do not participate in any other religious observances, still believe that they MUST circumcise their 8 day old sons. To not do so means that one is NOT a real Jew, whatever that is.

    No religion has atheists as members. Judaism is a political group (ethnic group) and race. Nothing more. Those atheists are still Jews because they are racial Jews.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  87. Mike Hite says:
    @Lot

    Nice image you posted it looks like some ancient Asian/Chinese army fighting another Asian army. Why not post a description/header for photos because some people do not know that reverse image extensions that find most posted images exist

    • Replies: @Lot
  88. @A123

    Per Zionist Jew Dennis Prager: “The United States of America is the only country in history to have defined itself as Judeo-Christian. While the Western world has consisted of many Christian countries and consists today of many secular countries, only America has called itself Judeo-Christian.” (3-30-2004, Prager U).

    Prager thinks that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Further in the essay he praises America for being so willing to sacrifice its sons to defend the Jewish state. Quote: “It is why those who today most identify with the Judeo-Christian ESSENCE of America are more likely to believe in the moral worthiness of DYING to liberate countries … That is why America stands alone in protecting two little countries threatened with extinction, Israel and Taiwan.”

    Prager concludes thusly: “The battle over whether America remains Judeo-Christian or becomes secular like Europe is what this, The Second American Civil War, is about.”

    IMHO, this country already lost the battle when it began calling itself Judeo-Christian. The fact that Judeo comes before Christian is no accident.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Druid
  89. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @follyofwar

    Judaism is NOT a race. It is a religion, a way at looking at life,

    Here you go. Apparently this “way of looking at life” includes the eventual destruction of Europe the United States under a war with Jewish derived Semitic Islam and one of their Eastern slave nations, complete with mass genocide, leading to Israel being the last government left standing.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/1391003/jewish/Daily-Zohar-Vaeira-Day-5.htm

    You are either a blithering idiot or a subversive with murderous intent. At this point in history, its the difference of no difference.

  90. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @nsa

    You mean he blamed the 80%+ of the populace, instead of the 2%?
    He was a loon, definitely…

  91. A123 says:
    @Anon

    Islam is a derivative of Judaism. There is no violence in Islam, especially in its ultimate aims, that is not in Judaism.

    Ah… Taqiyya at work. When confronted with the truth about Islam, the Muslim is under a religious duty to lie (1).

    I hate to break it to you…. Your lies are pathetic, obvious, and incredibly unconvincing.

    Take your primitive propaganda to the CNN comments section.

    My non-propaganda truths are needed here. Why don’t you go post over at “thesaker.is”? They will love your crude and superficial anti-Semitism over there.

    PEACE 😇
    ____

    (1) http://www.freedompost.org/islam/deception/common-taqiyya-or-islamic-lies-and-deceptions-by-muslims.html

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
  92. anarchyst says:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    The beginning of the end of traditional Catholicism was sealed with the infiltration of the Catholic Church Vatican II Ecumenical Council of the 1960s by Jews and Protestants who were involved in the “modernization” of the Catholic Church.

    Much Catholic ritual and doctrine was discarded or changed, in order to reflect the “age” that we live in, as well as the promotion of the absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity which exists to this day.

    The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) to do their “dirty work” for them…

    Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its universality. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand the meaning of the Mass.

    Prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass (except by special ecclesiastical permission) pushed many Catholics away from the new Modern Mass and the New Church, in general. It took a brave Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X to push back” against Vatican II and re-legitimize the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass and other Catholic rites.

    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest (celebrant of the Mass) was considered to be a part of the congregation, and a representative of the people.
    By turning the priest around to face the congregation, the priest was no longer a representative, but an actor, diminishing his status and importance.

    One area where the Catholic Church could improve itself involves celibacy, which is NOT Church dogma or doctrine. Celibacy was put in place during the middle ages in order to keep Church property from being inherited by family and relatives of priests and bishops. Celibacy was based on purely financial considerations, nothing more.

    It is interesting to note that Episcopal (Anglican) priests who convert to Catholicism can bring their families with them to the Church while Roman Catholic priests are denied marriage.

    It was a grave mistake by the Church to de-legitimize pre-Vatican II principles.
    Fortunately, there are Catholic organizations that subscribe to pre-Vatican II principles, one being the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

  93. renfro says:
    @A123

    — Violent Muslims are incapable of self control.
    — When a Muslim commits a violent act it is never the fault of the Violent Religion that teaches Violent Jihad against Infidels.
    — Violence against innocent Infidels is justifiable because a limited number of Infidel government leaders made choices that Violent Islam disagrees with.

    Violent Israeli Jews are incapable of self control.
    When a Jew commits a violent act it is never the fault of the Jew that teaches Hate of All Non Jews.
    Violence against innocent Non Jews is justifiable because a limited number of Non Jews made choices that Violent Judaism disagrees with.

    There fixed it for you. And you’re a Jew, not a Christian, so spare us your fake tears for Christians.

    • Replies: @A123
  94. renfro says:

    TIME’s new cover: “We are being eaten from within.” Why America is losing the battle against white nationalist terrorism http://mag.time.com/v9xjGsw

    Who benefits from making white nationalist the Number One Enemy of the US?
    The problem with the white nationalist is they are stupid . They evidently cant come up with a campaign rated suitable for all audiences or a reasonable platform that would garner more of middle America to their ranks . And now their crazies have guaranteed the Judeo-Christian Government and their media is going to fall on them like a ton of bricks.

  95. A123 says:
    @follyofwar

    If you listen to Prager, I think you will appreciate this Paul Harvey monologue from 1965:

    Dennis Prager: “The United States of America is the only country in history to have defined itself as Judeo-Christian.

    I don’t know that I would go this far. The U.S. Is a Christian nation, not a Judeo-Christian one. That being said, the fact that Jews believe in The Ten Commandments and other similar values helps them in terms of assimilation and success in this country.

    This is wholly unlike Muslim immigrants who are largely incapable of assimilation or success and thus choose self segregation. A few make it, but that is the exception not the norm.

    The battle over whether America remains Judeo-Christian or becomes secular like Europe is what this, The Second American Civil War, is about.

    Again, not quite right. The battle is between Christians and an unstable coalition of anti-Christian Globalists and anti-Christians Muslims. Given that Violent Islam will invoke a Jihad and exterminate all Infidels if they ever obtain power, essentially all non-Muslims will aid the Christian side even if they do not truly agree with the Christian values or religion.

    … when it began calling itself Judeo-Christian. The fact that Judeo comes before Christian is no accident.

    It is more likely that the sequence is simply because of the natural flow of sound patterns in the English language. If you try to reverse the two, the options are fairly awkward to native English speakers. Christio-Judaic. Christia-Judian. Those are just awful.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Druid
  96. A123 says:
    @renfro

    I am a Christian American….. God Bless President Trump and God Bless the USA.

    PEACE

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  97. Lot says:
    @Mike Hite

    Sorry Mike, that’s Charles Martel defeating the Jihadi army invading France in the battle of Tours in 732.

    My point is: Christians must fight the expansion of Islam everywhere, and there is no need to invent complicated theories of “Zionists” manipulating them.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  98. @A123

    The individual violence is inexcusable – at least for a Buddhist – but cause and effect must be considered.

    You see the Muslim actions as a cause – the murder of innocents, but their actions are also an effect, spurred on by the murder of their innocents.

    It is that ‘→we bomb you →you get angry →you bomb us →we get angry →’ circle jerk.

    I’m not sure you can say ‘their violence is self caused’ alone – that is an ideological extreme. Their violence is implicitly tied to the violence brought to their homelands by the Empire, of which the money and media is mostly Zionist, and the corpses thrown into the fire are mostly Anglo (the seeming historical norm when Jews ‘fight’).

    As for committing mass murder, look at how Jews and Muslims behaved say during the Nakba and during the partition of India. Much the same. Or how Jews now behave towards Palestinians – chey set a fairly low standard for humanity practically (against the ideology of ‘light unto the nations’).

    Their jihad is atm an underdog’s fight – bring the fight to the enemy, and since the populations in representative democracies are by definition political, you can’t really call at least the adults innocents – they vote year in and year out for the people that burn whole continents for a little extra ‘trickle down’ $.

    If the intention of the jihadists (and I’m talking Osama, since he had said this adroitly many times) is to drive out the crusaders from their lands, well their intention is defensive. What is the intention of the AngloZionist with their pre-emptive wars of aggression? The intention to profit from others’ misery is primary.

    And here is the problem: our societies act in aggression, plunder the world’s nations, and when those nations have the insolence to lift a finger against their rape – we suddenly name ourselves the victims.

    This victim mentality is very shortsighted and ignores action and the result of action. This so called Judeo-Christian society (and it certainly is Judeo-Christian at the elite level given the % of Israeli citizens in congress, % of US wealth in Jewish hands etc) is a curse unto other nations. Has been for centuries. And the rate at which our societies murder theirs has never been matched by the rate at which their societies murder ours.

    • Replies: @A123
  99. Anon[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Ah… Taqiyya at work. When confronted with the truth about Islam, the Muslim is under a religious duty to lie (1).

    I’m not a Muslim. Semitic Muslims can burn in hell with you and your attempt at deflection. Your propaganda has failed on these boards. Back to Hasbara reform school with you.

    Any semi-serious study of Judaism and Islam arrives at one conclusion: Islam, as imperialist and deserving of destruction as it is, is a pale reflection of genocidal, imperialist Judaism.

    the Muslim is under a religious duty to lie

    Thank you for providing us with yet another example of Islam’s root in Judaism. You nasty Neanderthals are disgusting in your deception and immorality.

    Let’s review the Jewish Zohar excerpts that reveal the plan for the destruction of the nations and peoples of the West, under Jewish Islam, so that Jews can eventually be the only nation left standing.

    Revealing why Jews are the foremost protectors of Islam in Europe and the United States, both of which you hate as supposed incarnations of Rome.

    Note the apocalyptic similarity and convergence between the Jewish and Islamic faiths (and all Judaic derived faiths). Islam is derived from Judaism, everything in it being derived from Judaism, but the apocalypse is the goal of everything else. So we’ll get to the core of it with the Zohar excerpt and Rabbinical commentary below, straight from Chabad.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/1391003/jewish/Daily-Zohar-Vaeira-Day-5.htm

    And in the future, the children of Ishmael are destined to rule over the Holy Land for a long time when it is empty from anything, like their circumcision which is empty and imperfect. And they will prevent the children of Israel from returning to their place until the reward for the merit of the children of Ishmael reaches completion.

    The children of Ishmael [i.e. the Arab nations] will cause great wars in the world and the children of Edom will gather against them and wage war against them, one on the sea, one on the dry land, and one near Jerusalem. And they [the children of Edom] will rule over them [the children of Ishmael], but the Holy Land will not be given over to the children of Edom. [The children of Edom is the Christian West, for Edom is Rome (see Num. 24:19, Rashi) and Rome signifies Greece-Rome and the Roman Catholic Church, the foundations of Western Civilization]

    At that time, a nation from the end of the earth will be aroused against evil Rome and wage war against it for three months. Nations will gather there, and [Rome] will fall into their hands, until all the children of Edom will gather against it [that nation] from all the corners of the world. Then G‑d will be roused against them. This is the meaning of: “For G‑d has a sacrifice in Botzrah”. (Isaiah 34:6) And afterwards, it is written: “That it might take hold of the ends of the earth…” (Job 38:13) He will destroy the descendants of Ishmael from the land, and break all the powers of [all the nations’ guardian angels] Above. There will not remain any power of any people on earth, except the power of Israel alone. This is the meaning of “G‑d is your shade upon your right hand”. (Psalms 121:5)

    BeRahamim LeHayyim: One cannot ignore the facts. To do so entreats disaster. Read this in terms of the daily news, and substitute Arab nations for Ishmael, and the West and US for Edom.

    With that text alone your deceptions are outed and you are forever discredited on this board. A just God (not your God) will continue your group’s rightful discrediting the world over.

    You are a nasty destroyer and deceiver.

    Lets review some Talmud excerpts, straight from the source, that shows that Jews do not have our interests at heart and that their living among us is a grave injustice and a corruption of civilization.

    We can’t possibly review all of the evil throughout the Torah, which validates all of the historical claims against the Jews, and so I will choose at random. The Tanakh is nastier but told in narrative. The Talmud is more direct.

    Jews are not liable for damage done to gentiles, the money of gentiles belongs to Jews, and gentiles shall be uprooted from their lands:

    [MORE]

    Bava Kamma 38a

    https://www.sefaria.org/Bava_Kamma.38a?lang=bi

    The mishna teaches: With regard to an ox of a Jew that gored the ox of a gentile, the owner of the belligerent ox is exempt from liability; whereas if a gentile’s ox gores a Jew’s ox, the owner is liable to pay the full cost of the damage.

    Rabbi Abbahu said that the reason for this ruling is that the verse states: “He stood and shook the earth; He beheld, and made the nations tremble [vayyatter]” (Habakkuk 3:6). This is homiletically interpreted to mean that God saw the seven mitzvot that the descendants of Noah accepted upon themselves to fulfill, and since they did not fulfill them, He arose and permitted [vehittir] their money to the Jewish people, so that in certain cases Jews are not liable for damage caused to gentiles.

    Rabbi Yoḥanan said that the source for this halakha is from here: It is stated in reference to the giving of the Torah: “The Lord came from Sinai and rose from Seir unto them; He appeared from Mount Paran” (Deuteronomy 33:2), which is homiletically interpreted to mean: From the time God came from Mount Paran, when giving the Torah, the money of the gentile nations appeared, i.e., it was revealed and granted to the Jewish people.

    This is also taught in a baraita: With regard to an ox of a Jew that gored the ox of a gentile, the owner of the belligerent ox is exempt from liability. By contrast, with regard to an ox of a gentile that gored the ox of a Jew, whether it was innocuous or forewarned, the owner of the belligerent ox pays the full cost of the damage, as it is stated: “He stood and shook the earth; He beheld, and made the nations tremble.”

    “He stood and shook the earth.” What did He see? He saw the seven mitzvot that the descendants of Noah were commanded but did not fulfill, and He arose and exiled them from their land on account of their transgressions.

    “And made the nations tremble [vayyatter]” (Habakkuk 3:6), and it is written there: “Lenatter upon the earth” (Leviticus 11:21), which is translated into Aramaic as: “To leap upon the earth.” Apparently, the root nun, tav, reish, common to both words, indicates uprooting from one place to another.

    Jews to use the courts dishonestly to vindicate the Jew over he gentile.

    Proving that you people are not of our nations and have zero business being in them. You are a mafia:

    Bava Kamma 113a

    https://www.sefaria.org/Bava_Kamma.113a.21?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

    Rav Ashi said: The mishna issues its ruling with regard to a gentile customs collector, whom one may deceive, as it is taught in a baraita: In the case of a Jew and a gentile who approach the court for judgment in a legal dispute, if you can vindicate the Jew under Jewish law, vindicate him, and say to the gentile: This is our law. If he can be vindicated under gentile law, vindicate him, and say to the gentile: This is your law. And if it is not possible to vindicate him under either system of law, one approaches the case circuitously, seeking a justification to vindicate the Jew. This is the statement of Rabbi Yishmael.

    No selling a gentile a plot of land adjacent to antoher Jew. If only we had kept up that prohibition on Jews then the world would be a less corrupt, more just place:

    § The Gemara cites another situation where a Jew is excommunicated for causing harm to another Jew. Rav Ashi said: In the case of a Jewish man who sells a gentile a plot of land that is on the border of the property of his fellow Jew, we excommunicate him.

    Rather, it is because we say to him on behalf of the owner of the adjacent field: You have placed a lion, i.e., a dangerous individual, on my border, as the gentile might now cause me harm. Consequently, we excommunicate him until he accepts upon himself responsibility for all harm that comes upon the neighbor due to the gentile’s activities.

    And, of course, the Torah goes on and on about how it is permissible and commanded to cheat, kill, and dispossess gentiles.

    You are a liar and you have no credibility.

    I hate to break it to you…. Your lies are pathetic, obvious, and incredibly unconvincing.

    A Jew tries to call another out on lies? Your peoples lifeblood is lies, you are commanded to lie along with your demon spawn Islamic collaborators, as Europe has long known, and as this entire board knows. I would bet my last dollar that I have infinite more credibility here than the assertions of local hasbara agents.

    Our account for your destruction of Visigoth Spain, your assistance of Islam across our borderlands being well documented, is still open and will be settled with your group. As will the accounts for rest of your murder: past and planned.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain

    With the victory of Tariq ibn Ziyad in 711, the lives of the Sephardim changed dramatically. For the most part, the invasion of the Moors was welcomed by the Jews of Iberia.

    Both Muslim and Catholic sources tell us that Jews provided valuable aid to the invaders. Once captured, the defense of Córdoba was left in the hands of Jews, and Granada, Málaga, Seville, and Toledo were left to a mixed army of Jews and Moors. The Chronicle of Lucas de Tuy records that “when the Catholics left Toledo on Sunday before Easter to go to the Church of the Holy Laodicea to listen to the divine sermon, the Jews acted treacherously and informed the Saracens. Then they closed the gates of the city before the Catholics and opened them for the Moors.”

    More reading on the topic:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190603143516/https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/jewish-collaboration-with-muslims-during-the-siege-of-rhodes/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190603143526/https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2017/04/23/forging-a-new-weapon-against-christendom-jewish-involvement-in-the-emergence-of-islam-the-fall-of-caesarea/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190220160140/http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/09/jewish-collaboration-with-muslims.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190220160140/http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/09/jewish-collaboration-with-muslims.html

    You are the source of and friends of the enemy, liar. You prefer their company to Christian company in Israel. We will not forget. Your entire existence in Europe and the United States today is due to your parasitical, imperialist, genocidal aims. All well documented by you and us, for millenia now.

  100. @anon

    “My top priority is my own country.”

    Correct, I have no use for Israel, Palestine, or the Middle East in General. I’d be happiest if the US pulled the entirety of its military, political, and of course financial presence completely out of the region.

  101. TKK says:
    @follyofwar

    I am not a geneticist- I don’t know.

    But- I have seen the distinctive Jewish nose, which seems to be inherited.

    But you are right, even the agnostic/ atheist Jews have a cultural allegiance to their customs, and tribe. Insular.

  102. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Right

    Oldest universities in the world catholic Europe St Bishop Anselm started a hospital in Milano I think 500AD. About 70 percent of the hospitals and health systems in this country are Catholic.

    Private catholic school system in this country is far. far far superior academically socially and safety wise to the nigger infested Lord of the Flies Gladiator public schools Protestants sacrifice their children too

    Best of all Catholic Church ignores the Bible while Protestants believe that collection of Jewish fairy tales

    And the greatest library museum and observatory in the world are under the direct control of The Scarlet Woman of Rome.

    If this is going to be a religious dispute think I’ll pass UNZ is getting as bad as amren and it’s bible thumping southerners

  103. @silviosilver

    The other part is the knowledge of how spectacularly well the tactic works. They call you an “anti-semite,” you spend the next ten years explaining that you’re not, in the mean time they get their way. Nice.

    Spot on. Where the paranoia stops and the calculation starts is the only hard thing to discern.

  104. Art says:

    To be sure, Zionism, in itself, isn’t a problem for America. Indeed, insofar as it embodies Western values, Israel is a force for good in the Middle East.

    Words fail to describe the stupidity of those sentences. No problem for America, what values, what good?

    What a cacophony of BS. This article is intellectual garbage.

    How has Israel been good for the ME. That is an idiotic statement. How many millions have died? How many tens of millions of people have lost their homes to wars that only benefit Israel?

    Everything that swirls around Israel is negative and destructive. It is a curse on mankind.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  105. @Lot

    So you cited this passage from the article:

    But the opposite seems to be true for American Christians. Exactly what benefit do they get from Israel, their so-called greatest ally?

    Yet you made now attempt to provide an answer. You merely laid down a rhetorical smoke screen. So what DO American Christians get from dear little Israel and the Jews who manipulate them? Do you HAVE an answer?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  106. /Although Islam, in many ways, is quite incompatible with the modern West/

    You would do well to acquaint yourself with the history of the Prophet’s arrival in Medina and the charter that was thereafter ratified with the intent of establishing a federal constitutional republic guaranteeing religious liberty to all living under its aegis. That environment, unfortunately, was short lived, as Jewish tribes quickly proved themselves more willing to wage war than accept it.

    Jefferson owned and studied a copy of George Sale’s translation of The Qur’an. Unlike his copy of the Bible — which was heavily annotated, including Jefferson’s own personal critique and revisions — his Qur’an remains free of such notation. Recent academic analysis draws significant parallels between Islam’s fundamental protection of religious liberty and its American constitutional similitude, suggesting that Jefferson was greatly influenced by his study of the religion.

    It should be remembered that, while not always perfect in its implementation, Islam distinguished itself from the Church in granting unprecedented liberty to non-Muslims living under its reign. It was only after Islam had been introduced to the Iberian Peninsula that the northern Christian kingdoms reciprocated with a similar allowance, thereafter igniting a spark on the continent that would radically alter the course of its history.

    As such, this popular notion of “incompatibility” is one of the worst false dichotomies advanced in our time, lending itself to further incitement of conflict rather than resolution of difference through diplomacy.

    /we shouldn’t overlook the significance of the fact that the principal Christian beliefs—namely, that God became man in Christ and substitutionary atonement—are blasphemy from a Jewish or Muslim perspective/

    There is no word for “blasphemy” in Arabic.

    Kufr has been poorly translated as such, but it doesn’t mean that. It’s more accurately rendered “denial” in the sense of “rejecting what one knows to be true.” There were quite a few who did this during the Prophet’s life, and there are more than a few now, though I personally shy away from applying the term unless absolutely necessary. Otherwise, I’d simply waste my time trying to divine what resides in hearts beyond my own.

    /Accordingly, there are Rabbinic attacks on Jesus and Christians in the Talmud./

    And there is no such slander against Jesus and his mother anywhere in Islam. In fact, Islam is the only religion aside from Christianity that affirms (1) that Jesus was the only individual on earth without sing, (2) that his birth was immaculate and miraculous, (3) that he performed miracles by the will of God, (4) that he was the Messiah, the Word of God promised to the Children of Israel, and (5) that he is utterly free from the slander leveled against him and his blessed mother.

    The significance of these facts should never be understated, as it will inform Christians as to which party between Jews and Muslims they can depend upon to respect their religion.

    /In contrast to the Christian Trinitarian concept of God, both Judaism and Islam insist on God’s absolute unity./

    In Islam, we don’t “insist” on God’s oneness, we simply know it to be true, just as one doesn’t insist that the sun is our nearest star. Since I’ve already covered the topic of Islam’s provision for religious liberty, there’s no need to repeat it here.

    /Islam is closer to the truth than Christianity, according to Moses Maimonides, who said that Jews may pray to Allah because the Muslim and Jewish conceptions of the Deity are the same./

    And yet, throughout the lands where Islam reached centuries ago, the presence of ancient churches and synagogues suggests that both Christians and Jews were protected under the shari’ah, not compelled to change their faith or confine themselves to ghettos, as would have been the case in contemporaneous Europe.

    A return to a European ethos devoid of religious liberty appears to be the fantasy du jour of some self-proclaimed conservatives in the west. It appears evident they haven’t done enough homework to comprehend the actual implications of realizing this dream.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Alden
  107. Wally says: • Website
    @anon

    “Throughout history, Jews and Christians have not been friends so much as enemies. Although many on the dissident right may be reluctant to concede the point, there was a lot of Christian persecution of Jews in European history, particularly by Catholics, and today Jews tend to equate gentile nationalism with the Holocaust.”

    – As for the claimed “Christian persecution of Jews in European history”, Jews were found to be loathsome by everyone, everywhere, long before Christians:

    Complete list of Jewish Expulsions / Jews expelled from over 1,000 places in history: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12596

    Myth and the Russian Pogroms, by Andrew Joyce: http://www.unz.com/article/myth-and-the-russian-pogroms/

    – It’s a proven fact, the claims of the “holocaust” did not, could not have happened:

    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz: http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial

    Nazis Defied Laws of Nature To Gas Millions & Vanish The Bodies! True!: https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/nazis-defied-laws-of-nature-to-gas-millions-vanish-the-bodies-true/

  108. Hibernian says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    That should be “strait,” not “straight.”

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  109. @Anon

    /Oldest universities in the world catholic Europe St Bishop Anselm started a hospital in Milano I think 500AD./

    The oldest existing and continually operating university was established in 859 in Fez, Morocco: the University of Karueein.

    Europe’s oldest wouldn’t be established for another 229 years, in Bologna, Italy.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Alden
    , @Anon
  110. Mike Hite says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Is there some kind of mineral that Vietnam is only in possession of? I hope paul gives us the heads up on this rare natural resource. What the problem is in America is most Americans can’t do shit for themselves like my 20 something year old neighbor who is to lazy to mow his own lawn or paint his own house but is smart enough to deliver packages for FEDEX. My brother in law is another of the idiots who can’t hardly do anything at/on his house but he knows all about which netflix programs are the best.

  111. A123 says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    There is a false equivalency baked into you assertions that leads you to erroneous beliefs. There is no equivalency when the Muslim side is intentionally maximizing harm to civilians while the Israeli side is doing its best to minimize harm to civilians.
    _____

    Muslims *intentionally* target defenseless victims including children. Here is an example (1):

    Tamimi: “For nine days I examined the place very carefully and chose it after seeing the large number of patrons at the Sbarro restaurant…”
    Interviewer: “Didn’t you think about the people who were in the restaurant? The children? The families?”
    Tamimi: “No.”
    Tamimi: “I have no regrets, and no Palestinian prisoner regrets what he or she has done…”
    Interviewer: “Do you know how many children were killed in the restaurant?”
    Tamimi: “Three children were killed in the operation, I think. [Smiles.]”
    Interviewer: “Eight.”
    Tamimi: “Eight?! Eight.” [Smiles more broadly.]

    Among Israelis this smiling face, joyous in the death of children is the true face of Islam. And, this face causes the Israelis to both fear and hate. You can try saying that this smile is not the true face of Islam, but the blood spilled by Islam screams much louder than any words you wish to use.
    ________

    [MORE]

    IDF forces attempt to avoid injuring children and non-combatants. However, they cannot be 100% successful. To illustrate:

    Everyone know knows on Friday, Iranian al’Hamas combat forces are going to conduct military operations against the Israeli-Gaza border. The rules of engagement soldiers follow in military-on-military fights is predefined. It is impossible to tell an unthrown stone from an unthrown grenade. Impossible to tell an unthrown water bottle from an unthrown Molotov cocktail. If someone tries to throw or sling an unknowable object the soldier has a *MORAL DUTY to PROTECT* their fellow soldiers by shooting first to stop the unknown in case it is a grenade or Molotov.

    A grenade thrown by a ten year old or a twelve year old is just as deadly as one thrown by twenty year old. Anyone bringing an object into throwing distance stands a high probability of being shot. And, such a shooting is morally justified and 100% permissible under the common understanding about how wars are fought. So, to every Muslim parent out there — If you love you children keep them out of predictable war zones. Ultimately, it is the parents fault when children are hurt by being at an inappropriate and *avoidable* location.

    Worse yet:
    — There is a great deal of stone in the environment so ricochet fragments can easily hurt those even a considerable distance behind the firing lines. There is no ‘safe’ distance. If you can see it, some stray piece of munitions can reach you.
    — Muslim combat troops breaching the fence line have done so while wearing medical white & Red Crescent garb. This has effectively eliminated the ability of non-combat medics to get wounded off the firing line, because IDF must engage Hamas offensive, white garbed, combat troops.
    _____

    The massive separation barriers are needed to keep the civilian populations apart, because that is what keeps civilian casualties down on *both* sides. However, as violent encounters show, the sides are still too close together.

    Will Islam lose another generation fighting a war they can *never* hope to win?

    Fighting, even resistance style, is expensive. The money for the perpetual conflict is drying up. PA money, U.S. money, Iranian money, UNRWA money (2), even EU money, and Arab money. The most violent and unreasonable Jihadi factions are reaching a breaking point where they cannot afford to continue fighting.

    This gives me some, albeit slim hope. More reasonable Muslim voices could accept a buyout that finally moves Muslim civilians some where safe. Where they can know peace and build things. Not wait for the next intifada that will kill their kids and blow up what they try to build. Without daily and weekly head butting on the fence lines emotions will have a chance to cool and that is good for all civilians on all sides.

    Perhaps the Deal of the Century will offer a buyout and relocation directly to civilians bypassing failed Muslim leaders. That would allow civilians to vote with their feet. The people dislike the PA and Hamas. Giving individuals another choice could work, but this is admittedly difficult to pull off.

    PEACE 😇

    _____

    (1) http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=27784

    (2) http://www.jewishledger.com/2019/08/switzerland-netherlands-suspend-funding-unrwa-palestinians/

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  112. Richard B says:
    @silviosilver

    The accusation of antisemitism is so ignoble and insane the only explanation for its effectiveness is simply that it’s aligned with power.

    Could you imagine a jew calling a Roman an antisemite?

    No need to imagine what the Roman would do.

    Time to start acting like the Romans.

    Seriously though, I’m against any individual or group who demands to be placed above criticism, loved unconditionally and blindly obeyed.

    And I’m most definitely against any individual or group who has the power to effectuate those insane demands.

    Anyone who makes those demands and then accuses those who object of “racism”, etc. is just gaslighting.

    In fact, it’s more of a confession that they’re crazy than it is an accusation that the other person is bad.

    It’s not our fault hate reality so much.

    • Replies: @nsa
  113. @A123

    no mass murders of Christians… that’s rich….no a slow, simmering, sinister, satanic destruction of Christendom using blackmail, pornographic destruction of morals, financial destruction of the masses through usury and manipulation, loss of thousands of American lives through Zionist wars; murder of our president and murder of our citizens (911) and murder of our sailors USS liberty …care to retract your idiotic comment

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @A123
  114. “There is a false equivalency baked into you assertions that leads you to erroneous beliefs. There is no equivalency when . . .”

    As someone who supports Israel’s right to exist, it’s hard to make the above charge with a photo and some commentary supposedly by one Muslim.

    As for the Deal of the Century — it might be a good idea to actually have the money to make a deal before the attempt to make the deal.

    Israel has more than her share of killing civilians.

  115. @Frankie P

    /Is it just me, or is this Lot troll behaving and responding more and more like someone having a panic attack, an anxiety sufferer./

    It’s definitely not just you. The rest of us see the same very clearly.

    /The dam is breached, the goys are catching on, and old Lot has doubled his efforts to either ad hominem critics of Jewish behavior or coopt the alt-right to the cause of “it’s the evil Muslim against ‘Judeo-Christian’ civilization”./

    Well, he was taken to task for his vacuous posts by the moderator of the latest Giraldi thread, which, for a fleeting moment, brought some civility to his comments, but realizing he couldn’t freely attempt to incite a clash of civilizations there with his customary lack of manners, he’s decided to find a new venue for peddling his propaganda.

    He’ll keep coming. Let him. He’s a walking advertisement against his own cause.

  116. @A123

    The Schill cowers when his lies are exposed to the world. The schill cannot argue the point

    • Replies: @A123
  117. @Frankie P

    Is it just me, or is this Lot troll behaving and responding more and more like someone having a panic attack, an anxiety sufferer

    No, it is most certainly not just you who has to say that. We all know, Frankie P. We all know. He’s renowned around these parts as a Jewish hasbarist schill. He likes to pretend he has “german protestant” blood, but that’s a facade which exists to veil his clear jewish background. Like you said, he tries to play it off as a Judeo-Christian thing, but it falls apart on itself

  118. @Anon

    Private catholic school system in this country is far. far far superior academically socially and safety wise to the nigger infested Lord of the Flies Gladiator public schools Protestants sacrifice their children too

    In America, I do tend to agree.

    The reason why I wanted to comment is because in Canada, sure, Christian schools might be better, but the difference is marginal, and many public schools are superior the catholic schools because they have less Negroids within. I visit Toronto a lot for both business and interest, and I can’t help but notice all the negroids in full black formal Catholic school attire roaming through the TTC platforms, or near the school areas.

    • Replies: @Alden
  119. @Oscar Peterson

    Don’t waste your time with the lying devious Jew. He has been deconstructed thoroughly by many on here, including the owner of this site Ron Unz himself. He tries to portray this as a civilizational collision, which is a classic Jewish tactic, from the book itself.

  120. nsa says:
    @Richard B

    “Time to start acting like the Romans”
    If only we had a Titus or a Vespasian instead of a ridiculous traitorous B grade Caligula in an orange wig and reality actor makeup doing the bidding of the enemy, the jew. Ave Titus, Te Salutant!

    • Replies: @Richard B
  121. @A123

    The age of responsibility in Israeli law is 12. They routinely send to military tribunal single digit kids, 4 year olds. People throw stones cause that’s all they have when fighting off a robber the likes of Israel. They can’t leave the war zone because Gaza is a war zone. An open Stanford prison experiment to be exact, but still a war zone.

    Israelis kill in hate a plenty. Slow drip genocide is still genocide, and both the political leadership and their citizens of Israel have stated their hate for Palestinians throughout the state’s history. For FPS gamers, what the IDF does is called camping – sniping from afar – and it is the lowest style of gaming, with such players getting kicked out of games. Israel camps. It never fights. Campers are always opportunistic cowards, and the idea they are there to minimise civilian deaths doesn’t strike with the psychology of their tactics.

    The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies — civilians and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.

    bin Laden

    The intention of Islam is to defend the Ummah.

    The intention of Israel is to rob land.

    The deal of the century, as you put it, is no different than the billionaire settling his claims against his rape victims with an insignificant handout (ring a bell?). This is not justice. Justice is a trial by jury and prison time if guilty. Rehabilitation doesn’t come from secular simony.

    Israel was always a colonial project, even Herzl’s ‘The Jewish State’ said as much. Colonial projects are robbery. Colonizers are less than indifferent and blind to the people whose lands they colonize, and the history of Israel shows itself as no different.

    There is nowhere safe from a robber who has been handed the right to appease his victims with some of the wealth they have robbed off those same victims. Israel will just push further in the knowledge it has established a principle: ‘we will rob, maim, and murder, slowly, then we will pay a pittance to the victims to give them the means to escape’.

    This is reinforcing negative behaviour – you really think the robber will stop right there and then, given the ruling in their favour they have just received? Such a thought can only be entertained in ignorance or delusion.

    • Replies: @A123
  122. Two Unz Review articles per day is not too much, generally, but I couldn’t get through this. Who the hell still cares about Hazony (or his brother), the Christian Zionists, the conservative country club, etc.?

    I know who: the Hasbara Squad is out in force – from Lot to TKK to A123. Have fun!

  123. @A123

    I am a Christian American

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

    Everybody knows you’re lying, Jew.

    How much does the Gatestone Institute pay you by the way?

    Per hour, or per post?

    Your schilling is obvious. You’ve been called out a billion times. Everybody sees through your Zionist lies.

    You don’t fool anyone pretending to be a Christian

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ten+ways+the+israel+lobby+moves+america

  124. A123 says:
    @General Koofta

    no mass murders of Christians… that’s rich….no a slow, simmering, sinister, satanic destruction of Christendom using blackmail, pornographic destruction of morals, financial destruction of the masses through usury and manipulation,

    Go play the Paul Harvey monologue I left up a #95. We Christians can and have done all these things to ouselves. No need for anyone else.

    murder of our sailors USS liberty

    The U.S. Navy sent an unarmed ship into a war zone without an escort even though more than one was available. The primary responsibility for that one belong to the U.S. Navy.

    Was John McCain around then?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  125. A123 says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The Schill cowers when his lies are exposed to the world. The schill cannot argue the point

    I concur Bengali Schill…. No one cowers like you do… How many Ph.D.’s do you have in cowering. It is said in the universe there one is one perfect example of each thing. No mere mortal of any kind could hope to even vaguely approach your ability to cower. I am truly in awe of your cowering skills. You indeed are the touchstone of all measures of the ability to cower.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Druid
  126. Poco says:

    Time to gather all semites, fake semites, pretend semites, blathering semites, brown semites, white semites, black semites, purple semites into a basket, we will call it a deplorable basket, and blast it into outer space. Please, be gone from us gentiles, kill each other, love each other, we do not care, but please at long last fuck off. We do not need you, we do not want you. We don’t want to hate you but you make it impossible not to. My God, My God, remove these constant agitators from among us. They poison religion, they poison culture, they never stop, it never ends!

    • Agree: Richard B
    • Replies: @anonymous taser
  127. Richard B says:
    @nsa

    Exactly!

    And what’s it say about the Chosen that they’re so dependent on such jumped up White Trash like the Orange One and Nancy Pelosi?

    And now with AOC and Omar they’re really scraping the barrel.

    Doesn’t look like their empire is on such solid ground.

    So, in the absence of any Titus or Vaspasian, I guess it’s up to us.

  128. A123 says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    They can’t leave the war zone because Gaza is a war zone.

    So the solution allowing them to relocate to a place that is not a war zone. You just agreed with me, you just don’t realize it.

    The intention of Islam is to defend the Ummah. … The intention of Israel is to rob land.

    A painfully obvious attempt at Taqiyya deception. The intention of Islam is Jihad. The intention of Islam is to steal land. The intention of Islam is elimination or domination of all non-Muslim infidels by forced conversion, execution, or dhimmi slavery.

    Israel was always a colonial project,

    The Muslim invasion of Palestine (530-540 AD) plus additional chunks of the Middle East and Europe. was always a Jihadi colonial project. The hypocrisy of macro colonizers criticizing the Jews for wanting a tiny of fraction of their land back is an open admission of the mind boggling hubris of Islam.

    There is nowhere safe from a robber who has been handed the right to appease his victims …

    What you meant to say is:

    There is nowhere safe from a robber who has been handed the right to appease his victims with some of the wealth they have robbed off those same victims. Violent Islam will just push further in the knowledge it has established a principle: ‘we will rob, maim, murder, *and rape* slowly, then we will pay a pittance to the victims to give them the means to escape’.

    You forgot the rape part in you original quote. Sweden is now the rape capital of Europe due to admitting Rape-ugees. Fortunately, Poland is resisting your Muslim Rape gangs.

  129. @Hibernian

    Cut them some slack. They were at sea for three years. It was more of a situational thing.

  130. The solution is the wrapping up of the AngloZionist Empire as a whole, at which point Israel will wither and the land will come back to those from whom it was stolen, whilst the Israeli population will return to their homelands – yes, Israel should return its stolen lands, then the Palestinians can return to where their ancestors lived before (the ones West of the Jordan back to West of the Jordan).

    You however are asking for this solution: we invaded your home, took half for ourselves, ransacked the other half, and now we will pay you to leave to a safe zone outside of your home.

    This is robbery. No faith deems this acceptable – no matter the yearnings for a lost land. I’m not sure how as a Christian you can justify such possessiveness given Christ specifically instructed the Christians to give up worldly possessions!

    I’m not claiming Islam is non violent – it did Nalanda in, and that was enough of a crime in my mind. But that Islam has shades of violence in its history is no excuse to have shades of violence in one’s own history.

    600AD is only important if the lessons of 600AD are not learnt. In this respect, Judaism certainly has historically shown less self reflection and self improvement – less religion – than all other faiths. As Yehezkel Kaufmann wrote – they became a cult of ritual post exile, and there is no religion in ritual. Islam needs a lot of work too, for which the last paragraph.

    Rape: it is a male issue, more than an ethnic issue. Sure there are cultural differences in erotic play (sex being the intent to make offspring), but in 90% of rape cases, the victim knows the assailant, and most rape cases in Europe are done by Europeans. I was unfortunate (and stupid in my usual extremeness!) enough to hit the porn culture in 2000 as a teenager, and although I always shunned away from violence, I will never agree with such statements as ‘Sweden is the rape capital of Europe’. Men rape, mostly regardless of ethnicity. If you don’t want to take my word for it, dig through the dark web – most rape porn/child porn/bestiality in general is made in the West (maybe 20 years ago they has more access to video tech, but certainly not now). Arab men? Good for videos of themselves jerking off in front of a camera. That’s what I found anyways.

    And their uneducated reaction is at least understandable. When ‘dressing up’ for Western women means putting on skin tight tights on – leaving nothing hidden to the imagination, it makes sense a previous member of a conservative society might mistake that as an open invitation. The issue for this type of rape is education, both in the culture and the law of the new society. But to say just because you are Muslim you lack cognitive empathy is untenable.

    Islam, specifically Sunni Islam, has the problem that it does not recognise Imamism like Shias, meaning the uneducated can make whatever they want of their faith. It also doesn’t do reform as Ijtihad is not favoured, so ritual sets in – just like for Judaism. But the Muslim reaction to 100 years of destruction of their lands, whilst not enlightened, is certainly no different to how Christians, or even Buddhists, would react if their countries were bombed, puppets installed for leaders, and tens of millions were slaughtered.

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  131. WHAT says:
    @Colin Wright

    If you change “western values” for “globohomo rot”, it checks out.

  132. @A123

    “muslim violence against the Main Street”: are you kidding? muslim violence, all over the world, is manufactured in Judeo-Talmudo-Zionist fabric in the City of London & Washington.

  133. Christian zionists might be the dumbest creatures on the planet, left wing white women excepted.

    They are fanatically loyal to a group of people who hate them. List all the things that evangelical (etc) Christians despise… homosexuality, pedophilia, anti-Christian hollywood movies, etc etc. You’ll notice that Jews are behind each and every one. Jettisoning Christian symbols from public places while putting up menorahs.

    The idiots never bother to figure out the story behind their Scofield-edition bibles either.

  134. “The hypocrisy of macro colonizers criticizing the Jews for wanting a tiny of fraction of their land back”

    Their? You mean the Jews who are largely Eastern European, of half Italian ancestry and almost no Middle Eastern blood? It was hardly their land.

    If you restricted your comment to Sephardics from the Middle East, sure, I’d agree with you.

  135. anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Frankie P

    As far as I knew Lot was a part Jewish woman.

  136. anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    University is a concept from the European catholic middle ages.

    Madrassas are not universities.

    • Replies: @Alden
  137. anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    Wow muzzies actually have their own “we are more American than Americans themselves’ lol. Your whole comment was idiotic.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Anon
  138. Moi says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    American Christianity=Judaism Lite, and Jesus is God Jr. No wonder American Christianity is joined at the cranium by ZioIsrael.

    And so we get the nonsense of “Judeo-Christian” even though Jews hurl insult upon insult on Christ. But that’s okay for most Americans.

    Go figure…

  139. alexander says:
    @Colin Wright

    I just found out our “state department” has updated its definition of “antisemitism” to INCLUDE any comparisons made between ISRAEL today, and NAZI GERMANY of the 1940’s.

    Does this mean that if Israels treatment of the Palestinians mimics the Nazi’s treatment of the Jews, no one is permitted to say so ?

    Does this mean that if Israels illegal land grabs mimic the lebensraum of Nazi Germany, no one is allowed to point it out ?

    Does this mean that if Israels occupation of the West Bank mimics Hitlers occupation of Poland or France, one may not mention it ?

    I believe our State department needs to spell out , in exacting detail, the CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS DISTINCTIONS in the two behaviors, so people know exactly why the comparisons are “flawed” and “ill suited”.

    For over 30 years of my life, I was certain, beyond all doubt, that Israel was a “land WITHOUT a people, for a people without a land”, that the brutal expulsion and slaughter of Palestinians during its birth, DID NOT HAPPEN and COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED…That to even suggest it, was the worst form of “antisemitic” blood libel on the planet.

    It was only when I saw the “Democracy Now” debate, between Norman Finkelstein and Allen Dershowitz(on this very subject) ,that my eyes began to be opened.

    I wonder how long it will be before our “state department” issues its first NAKBA DENIAL REPORT, ….ten days…a month ?

    What is happening to us ?

    What is happening to our nation ?

    • Replies: @TimeTraveller
    , @renfro
  140. @Anon

    Judaism is a political system religionized – end of story!

    Politics is, in many respects, the Cinderella of Jewish studies. Much attention has been lavished on the development of Jewish religious, legal, and social practice; probably even more has been written about the history of Jewish Gentile relations. By comparison, the study of the Jewish political tradition — with all that it entails for an understanding of Jewish modes of self-government, Jewish political perceptions, and Jewish political responsibilities — remains an almost uncharted area.

    http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/jewpoltraduses.htm

  141. Weave says:
    @Lot

    Thank you. Most sane response here.

  142. What makes you say that?

  143. @anon

    “there was a lot of Christian persecution of Jews in European history…”

    And a lot of Jewish exploitation of Christian peasantry–especially in Poland and Ukraine as alcohol monopolists, tax farmers, estate managers, and various other parasitic capacities. Also leading to considerable blowback was the tendency of Jews to sneak in in the train of foreign conquerors–with the Muslims into Spain, in the wake of the Drang nach Osten into Eastern Europe, with the Poles into Ukraine and Belarus and of course with the British into Palestine.

    • Replies: @Parbes
  144. @Emslander

    Your ignorance on the evils of contraception destroys anything else you argue. If German-Americans had continued to have children at normal rates through the latter quarter of the twentieth century, there would be no immigration invasion, leftist fascism or $25T national debt.

    Let’s outbreed the wogs! Arm the baby weaponry! No need for intelligent immigration restriction when you can just add more bodies to the earth’s 7.5 billion.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  145. A123 says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    You however are asking for this solution: we invaded your home, took half for ourselves, ransacked the other half, and now we will pay you to leave to a safe zone outside of your home.

    You invaded first. Violent Islamic colonizers took every home by force in ~600 B.C. Muslims only have that stolen property because of Jihadi invasion and colonization.

    So let me rephrase your proposed solution for easy understanding:

    — Muslims get to keep everything they stole, because Jihad displacing Christians and Jews is Inherently RIGHT.
    — Infidels may never reclaim even the tiniest part of what Islam stole, because that would displace Muslims which is inherently WRONG.

    Can you see that there is *NO* chance that Infidels will ever accept your proposed “Infidels Get Nothing” solution?

    Given the facts as they lay now (no time machine after all) there are two foundational stones that have to exist in any comprimise:
    — The original land theft in ~600 AD cannot be allowed to stand. That land must be returned.
    — The people currently on that land did not commit the theft 1,400 years ago. They deserve just and honorable compensation as part of the relocation process needed to return stolen land.

    Muslim leaders want the fight to continue, because that is how they maintain personal power. Muslim extremists like you agitate for the fight to continue out of a sense of religious purity.

    Fortunately, there is still hope for PEACE.

    For every religious extremist and failed leader there are tens of thousands of more reasonable Muslim civilians who are willing to compromise. Muslim civilians on the ground that are suffering with little electricity, minimal employment, and a water supply destroyed by al’Hamas diversion of resources. Muslim parents who want their kids to stop dying. To give their children a shot at a better future, hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) would be happy to voluntarily relocate if they had they means to do so and somewhere to go.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  146. @Emslander

    What I’m saying is that our population problem is a problem of too few people being born …

    Emslander, you are insane. Our population problem is too many people being born — too many in terms of everything from the earth’s resources to the quality of life. But given your values, may I suggest you move to India? No trouble about too few births there. You’ll love it.

    I absolutely don’t care which race or races these new people should have come from. Sorry if that’s too Christian an idea for you.

    Come to think of it, maybe Africa is the place for you. Even faster population growth than India, and you can demonstrate your Christian principles by helping to accelerate it.

  147. @A123

    ‘The U.S. Navy sent an unarmed ship into a war zone without an escort even though more than one was available. The primary responsibility for that one belong to the U.S. Navy.’

    A Zio-classic.

    Don’t forget how 9-11 was our fault as well. We neglected to provide AA defenses for the Twin Towers. Al Qaeda no more bore responsibility for that than Israel bore responsibility for the attempt to sink the Liberty.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @Druid
  148. @alexander

    For me it took deployment to Iraq.

  149. Truth3 says:

    “Judeo-Christian” is an oxymoron.

    Perpetrated by the Orthodox Jews to target Morons of the Christian faith.

    Time that real Christians speak out against those that not only Crucified Jesus Christ, but would do it again in a second.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  150. Truth3 says:

    The Zio-leanings (or just the outright Hasbarite credentials) of specific commenters here get more and more obvious as they continue posting.

    I suggest they be treated like sex criminals… or, the yellow star of 1933 to 1945 in Europe.

    Mr. Unz… suggestion…

    Add a button for “Hasbarite”.

    Once they have been tagged at least three times as such, review their posts, and if appropriate, put the Israeli Flag, or a yellow 6 pointed star near their name on all posts.

    Fair warning that way to all readers.

    • Replies: @A123
  151. @Mount Brainier

    BRAINIER

    I happen to be German-American and most German-Americans unless they are Donald Trump, really don’t have the money to out-breed anyone.

    Africa has a huge population. So does Bangladesh.

    How are they conquering the world?

    And no matter what, immigration will continue.

    • Replies: @Mount Brainier
  152. renfro says:
    @alexander

    I just found out our “state department” has updated its definition of “antisemitism” to INCLUDE any comparisons made between ISRAEL today, and NAZI GERMANY of the 1940’s.

    Who cares……do it anyway.

    Israel is a midget Nazi country.

  153. @Truth3

    Agree, please take a look at trunews.com, they have a lot on this subject.

  154. Alden says:
    @AnonStarter

    Sorry, I must apologize for stating an historical truth.

    The only reason Jefferson bought and read a copy of the Quaran was to understand the enemy. Shortly after the USA became an independent country a letter arrived from the Bey of Algeria

    To America
    From the Pirate Bey of Algeria
    Re: Protection Money

    “ For centuries Britain and other countries have paid the Pirate port of Tripoli and the country of Algeria much protection money aka tribute to protect its Mediterranean and Atlantic shipping form our pirate fleet. America, being a British country was always covered by British protection tribute.

    America is now a separate country and it’s shipping is no longer covered by the protection money aka tribute paid by Britain.

    The Bey of Algeria therefore notifies America that from now on you shall pay $XXX a year.
    Please make arrangements to pay within 3 months or your ships and passengers and personnel on board will be seized, the ship and contents seized and personnel sold as slaves if ransom is not paid.”

    Jefferson wrote the Bey and told him to go to hell. Algerian pirates attacked American shipping in the Mediterranean. Soon a ship was captured by Algerian pirates. The ship and contents were seized. The personnel were imprisoned and a ransom was demanded.

    Instead of paying the ransom, Jefferson send American Marines to Tripoli. They attacked Tripoli, landed, rescued the American prisoners and did enough damage that the Bey rescinded his demands for ransom and protection money and American shipping had no further problems with Algerian pirates.

    That’s where Jefferson’s well known saying
    “ “ thousands for defense, not one cent for tribute” came from. Also the first 2 lines of the well known song of the American Marines

    “ From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli”

    FYI you liar. Jefferson waged war on Algeria and sent our Marines who conquered Tripoli, and rescued the American prisoners. Jefferson informed the Bey that if another act of piracy occurred the marines would invade, conquer again and stay. Bowing to superior force, no Algerian pirates harassed American shipping again.

    Emboldened by Jefferson’s actions, the European powers stopped paying protection money and started fighting back. Deprived of protection money and profits of piracy Algeria suffered an economic depression. Algeria’s economy depended heavily on piracy instead of production.

    Soon Algeria was conquered by France and became an agricultural country prosperous from food exports. And Algeria’s been far more prosperous from food exports ever since than it was from piracy.

    You must be a liberal liar. Only a liberal could turn a defensive invasion into admiration for the ravings of a madmen collected into the Koran.
    Jefferson looked at the Koran hoping to understand what he was fighting against when he sent the American Marines to successfully invade Tripoli.

    Also, Jefferson was involved in the creation of our national library. Naturally, a Koran would be included in the American a national library as it’s included in all national libraries.

    Muslim countries to this day don’t have the great national libraries that Christian countries do.

    Take your propaganda away. We at UNZ aren’t naive high school kids compelled by law and parents to sit through 4 years of liberal indoctrination.

    • Replies: @renfro
  155. Alden says:
    @AnonStarter

    University of Padua centuries earlier. Charlemagne’s fathers monastic college 740’s was a real college for the study of general knowledge not just bible study like the Muslim schools

    Those Muslim institutions weren’t universities or colleges at all. They were religious seminaries for the production of clerics, not for general study.

    The Christian monastic libraries and study groups soon developed into universities with a wide range of studies
    .
    The Muslim libraries and study groups were only for memorizing and discussing the Koran and production of clerics. They still are, 1,400 years later. A library of 40,000 books, everyone a Koran or a study about the Koran. That’s not something to brag about

    Now I suppose you’ll post some falsehoods about superior medieval era Muslim medicine.
    What a load. Medieval muslins used the same ridiculous Galen ideas of the 4 humors. Sickness was caused by unbalanced humors.

    Enjoy your ignorance. Historical truth is foreign to you

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  156. Parbes says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    “Also leading to considerable blowback was the tendency of Jews to sneak in in the train of foreign conquerors…”

    They didn’t just “sneak in in the train of foreign conquerors” – if it had been only that that they did, it would have been no more than merely unpleasant and somewhat reprehensible. No – they actively SUPPORTED, AIDED AND ABETTED the enemy’s invasion and conquest of countries where they were residents, especially when it involved invasion and conquest of a Christian European country by a hostile Muslim force. The two most important examples are Jews in Hungary helping the Ottoman conquest of the Hungarian kingdom in the 16th century; and of course Jews of Visigothic Spain facilitating its conquest by Muslim Arabs. They did that knowing FULL WELL the horrors the conquest of the medieval Christian nation by its medieval Muslim enemy would entail for its people and society.

    From the very start, right from Roman times, Jews had NO BUSINESS AT ALL, being present in any Christian European nation as a separate minority community of significant numbers. They simply should NOT have been permitted to spread all over Europe. They always were a racially-religiously alien, Semitic, parasitic, incompatible subpopulation with a distinct and conflicting identity, ready to turn treasonous or do socially destructive things when the opportunity arose and it suited their own group interests – the archetypal “snake in the bosom” of the host society. They still are so today, in virtually every white-majority country where a “Jewish diaspora” is present – now massively buttressed by the existence of Israel, Anglo-Zionism, and globalist finance capitalism.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  157. A123 says:
    @Truth3

    Mr. Unz… suggestion… Add a button for “Hasbarite”.

    Mr Unz. Even more important, we need a button for “IslamoFacist”.

    That way those who believe in the Box Car Death [BDS] system can proudly display the “Swastika & Crescent” flag by their names.

    Fair warning to all readers.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Anon
  158. Alden says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Maybe the blacks in the catholic schools of Toronto are African Christian alleged refugees?

    I’ve met some Nigerians in America who were Christians who got out because their districts were taken over by Muslim militants.

    What’s Toronto now? Half black and MENA? You must be aware of what happened to American cities when blacks took over. Better leave.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  159. Alden says:
    @anonymous

    Thanks, I should have used the word Madrassas instead of seminaries in my refutation of anonstarter’s anti European Christian propaganda.

  160. @A123

    First, I follow Dhamma, so not Islam. But I consider all faiths (Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc) to have religion (self improvement – for the little of what I know, my definition) – much much more than atheism or secularism.

    Second, you make a good point with respect to Muslim thefts. After all – if I say Israel stole lands 70 years ago and should return them, why not Islam 1400 years ago? Some will say time decay is exponential or whatnot, but that is casuistry. So, using the Buddhist rules of ‘covering over with grass’ (or not fixing an error with another error) in case both parties are in error – allow Israel their 1967 lands, but demand of them permanent, armed, military neutrality (not unlike what a ‘light unto the nations’ would impose on themselves, assuming that war is darkness), with the penalty of loss of sovereignty and nation were the contract to be broken. No second chances.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @A123
  161. @Alden

    Better leave

    I don’t live in Toronto. It’s really not that bad. Scarborough is ok, but the central districts are all totally gone and compromised

    African Christian alleged refugees?

    Yes and no. The Rwandans that Canada let in back during the genocide went to Montreal and other Quebec cities. They are Quebec’s problems. Of course Toronto has some Black Christian and Black Muslim problems in the Somalians, Nigerians, Jamaicans, Haitians, Trinidadians, Ethiopians, Eritreas, Black Guyanese etc

    Seems to me that regardless of religion, negroids are problematic.

    Sorry to dampen your hopes, but the African Christians are just as degenerate.

    I’ve also done a little bit of nitpicking and some minor research with the EQAO assesment scores and the things I got didn’t shock me either. Catholic schools with a HUUUGE population of blacks, and some other whites and filipinos did terribly on these assesments compared to the public school in that area that had whites, east asians and south asians, even though this public school was poor

  162. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    This moron, A123, rants on and on like a mindless slope NAM. Skipping the answers that he doesn’t like and repeating his assertions as if they haven’t already been sufficiently rebutted.

    He keeps paining Islam as everyone’s enemy. However, Islam’s entire theology as well as its apocalyptic (imperialist / mass genocidal) aims are derived from Judaism. As well as most of its law.

    Judaism is best friends with Islam. Islam is Judaism’s “broom” as one Chabad Rabbi put it, which is intended to be used against Europe for Jewish ends:

    https://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=4b2c56491272

    Here is the Zohar text and Rabbinical commentary that admits that Islam will be used to destroy the West, so that only Israel is left standing:

    [MORE]

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/1391003/jewish/Daily-Zohar-Vaeira-Day-5.htm

    The children of Ishmael [i.e. the Arab nations] will cause great wars in the world and the children of Edom will gather against them and wage war against them, one on the sea, one on the dry land, and one near Jerusalem. And they [the children of Edom] will rule over them [the children of Ishmael], but the Holy Land will not be given over to the children of Edom. [The children of Edom is the Christian West, for Edom is Rome (see Num. 24:19, Rashi) and Rome signifies Greece-Rome and the Roman Catholic Church, the foundations of Western Civilization]

    At that time, a nation from the end of the earth will be aroused against evil Rome and wage war against it for three months. Nations will gather there, and [Rome] will fall into their hands, until all the children of Edom will gather against it [that nation] from all the corners of the world. Then G‑d will be roused against them. This is the meaning of: “For G‑d has a sacrifice in Botzrah”. (Isaiah 34:6) And afterwards, it is written: “That it might take hold of the ends of the earth…” (Job 38:13) He will destroy the descendants of Ishmael from the land, and break all the powers of [all the nations’ guardian angels] Above. There will not remain any power of any people on earth, except the power of Israel alone. This is the meaning of “G‑d is your shade upon your right hand”. (Psalms 121:5)

    BeRahamim LeHayyim: One cannot ignore the facts. To do so entreats disaster. Read this in terms of the daily news, and substitute Arab nations for Ishmael, and the West and US for Edom.

    Muslims are Jews’ natural allies in Europe – Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt:

    Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt is a Lithuanian-born Haredi rabbi, with close ties to both Putin and Israeli-Russian oligarch and politician, Arkady Gaydamak. He now serves as president of the Conference of European Rabbis. “There is a clash of civilizations, and we the Jews are in the middle of this clash of civilizations,” Goldschmidt said in an interview on Russia Today’s “Worlds Apart” show in February 2015. Condemning “the reaction of the old Europe,” he noted that while Jews and Muslims fight in the Middle East: “We see ourselves fighting with our Muslim brothers, who want a free Europe, a peaceful Europe, who want to integrate like our forefathers integrated in western Europe 100, 200 years ago, and they are our natural allies.”

    The Proverbial “Rome” as Symbolic Antithesis to Judaism

    In two of the statements above, “Rome” is specifically mentioned as being “destroyed

    The Jews have a long history of working with Islam against Europe and Europeans, in the Islamic invasion and ethnic / cultural devastation of Visigoth Spain for one. We expect them to do the same today, as indicated by their texts quoted above:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain

    With the victory of Tariq ibn Ziyad in 711, the lives of the Sephardim changed dramatically. For the most part, the invasion of the Moors was welcomed by the Jews of Iberia.

    Both Muslim and Catholic sources tell us that Jews provided valuable aid to the invaders. Once captured, the defense of Córdoba was left in the hands of Jews, and Granada, Málaga, Seville, and Toledo were left to a mixed army of Jews and Moors. The Chronicle of Lucas de Tuy records that “when the Catholics left Toledo on Sunday before Easter to go to the Church of the Holy Laodicea to listen to the divine sermon, the Jews acted treacherously and informed the Saracens. Then they closed the gates of the city before the Catholics and opened them for the Moors.”

    More reading on the topic:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190603143516/https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/jewish-collaboration-with-muslims-during-the-siege-of-rhodes/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190603143526/https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2017/04/23/forging-a-new-weapon-against-christendom-jewish-involvement-in-the-emergence-of-islam-the-fall-of-caesarea/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190220160140/http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/09/jewish-collaboration-with-muslims.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190220160140/http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/09/jewish-collaboration-with-muslims.html

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  163. @anonymous

    More American than Americans themselves?

    Well, as a born and raised American, I certainly wouldn’t claim something so absurd. Yet my familiarity with the history of this country allows me to confidently conclude that the liberties embodied in the Bill of Rights, particularly those of the First Amendment, are the best criteria by which to distinguish America from other countries.

    Like you, Degroot is likely familiar with that history of the millennial Muslim world that dovetails nicely with his confirmation bias, one in which terms of the apocryphal Pact of ‘Umar held sway. The difference between us is that I don’t deny the Abbasid tyranny and its parallel deviations while Degroot appears to airbrush entirely such precedents as the Constitution of Medina and the Treaty of Najran from the portrait of our history.

    That you choose to find this “idiotic” doesn’t bother me in the least.

  164. @Lot

    ‘My point is: Christians must fight the expansion of Islam everywhere, and there is no need to invent complicated theories of “Zionists” manipulating them.’

    I think your point is to suborn the alt-right and put it to good use serving Israel.

    Your professed concern about Islam is transparently feigned; but you figure others will buy into it.

    Then they can be turned to serving your nasty little Neo-Nazi statelet in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Lot
  165. @Ilya G Poimandres

    /After all – if I say Israel stole lands 70 years ago and should return them, why not Islam 1400 years ago?/

    A pandora’s box question that will allow every people once historically “dispossessed” to stake territorial claims. Furthermore, such history is irrelevant to the current situation in Palestine, which has remained unresolved since 1948. Israel continues to steal land to this day with the support of western polities, so it’s an offense that has a currently actionable, potentially non-violent solution.

    But “A” himself has made his disdain for the application of international law very clear. As a Zionist, he is, by default, at war with any who would hold Israel accountable to such a standard, one that, by and large, has recognized long-established boundaries of sovereignty for the vast majority of the world’s countries and would never admit the kind of pandora’s box legerdemain that he proposes.

    He depends upon you seeing the world’s history as nothing more than a homogeneous mass of dispossession, with each instance bearing no distinction from the next. That’s how his hasbara works: wear the audience down with just so many logical fallacies until they begin to assimilate them into their own thinking.

    Don’t fall for it.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Ilya G Poimandres
  166. renfro says:
    @Alden

    Chain email about the Barbary pirates and Islam

    This is the full text of the chain email received by PolitiFact about the Barbary pirates and Islam.
    To read our fact check of this email — which we rated False — please use this URL:

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/feb/11/chain-email/barbary-wars-did-us-declare-war-islam/

    And on top of that it is painfully oblivious you have never studied Jefferson. I suggest you get your information from official historical sources not chain emails.

    • Replies: @Alden
  167. @Longfisher

    You’re in luck. There are 100s of websites and the entirety of the MSM that will never mention it.

  168. @Anon

    You ignore the fact that, after the Prophet arrived in Medina, Jewish tribes were the thorn in his side that fought openly for the destruction of Islam. This is well-established history.

    It’s undeniable that Islam did provide for the religious liberty of Jews, which is why Jews supported the Muslims in those conquests to which you allude. It was a far cry easier for them to live under Muslim rule than it was for them to suffer under the yoke of the Church.

    Yet you ignore the fact that the shari’ah also protected the religious liberty of Christians, a liberty that was not accorded to Jews or Muslims under the aegis of the Church.

    Claiming that “Islam is derived from Judaism” places the cart before the horse. “Islam” means submission to God, which is something that all prophets of the House of Israel practiced. Ancient Jews never knew such a term as “Judaism.”

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  169. A123 says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Buddhist rules of ‘covering over with grass’ (or not fixing an error with another error) in case both parties are in error – allow Israel their 1967 lands,

    Unfortunately, the cease fire line in 1967 cannot be militarily secured. It was never meant to be a permanent border. Also, given the water distribution in the area trying to use it as a border would be tantamount to filling the powder kegs that would start the next war.

    A reasonable compromise would be the 1920’s division of the Palestinian Mandate into 3/4+ Muslim Palestine and 1/4 Jewish Palestine. That would allow for a geographically sound nations with viable, defensible borders and minimal overlapping claims to natural resources. On a purely moral basis the over 3:1 ratio gives far too much to the Muslim side. However, there are few other options for sound borders, so it is probably the best that can be achieved.

    The 3/4+ of the Mandate comprising Muslim Palestine could be further subdivided into multiple nations, such as Historic Muslim Palestine (a.k.a. Jordan) and New Muslim Palestine. Where to place these divisions would be an internal matter for Islam to decide.

    … but demand of them permanent, armed, military neutrality (not unlike what a ‘light unto the nations’ would impose on themselves, assuming that war is darkness).

    This would only work if you could prevent hostile nations from attacking Israeli. There are daily provocations by Iranian al’Hezbollah and Iranian al’Hamas combat troops. Thus, all of the nations in the Middle East that threaten the peace would have to be equally bound. Binding only one side so they cannot effectively defend themselves is a non starter.

    with the penalty of loss of sovereignty and nation were the contract to be broken. No second chances.

    — How would charges be reviewed with due process?
    — How would the penalties be enforced?

    Stripping Iran of its sovereignty when it inevitably violates the agreement sounds good on paper, but without enforcement such a finding would be totally ineffectual. Look at the U.N. for a lengthy list of failures where theoretical authority was backed by no enforcement. One does not want to create another helpless, hapless, useless body in a new agreement.

    It is an interesting idea, but I do not believe that enough nations would give up sufficient sovereignty to launch such a regional compact.

    PEACE

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  170. Anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Wow muzzies actually have their own “we are more American than Americans themselves’ lol. Your whole comment was idiotic.

    Again, in this case, Muslims are taking an anti-White propaganda cue from Jews.

    The case of the Orthodox Jews that settled in Postville, Iowa come to mind. They settled in a town in Iowa to open a slaughterhouse. They refused to integrate with the community, even marginally, and instead began agitating it as Jews generally do as a result of their perceived entitlements.

    Steve Sailer covers the conflict in several articles, but I think that this one by Morris V. de Camp covers the meat of it most thoroughly.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/10/the-postville-pogrom-that-nobody-admits-was-a-pogrom/

    Interestingly, the artcile takes the perspective of framing the conflict as a mechanism that may be generally parallel to most historical pogroms.

    I recommend reading the article in full. However, here’s the general gist of the conflict. I circle back to my point about the “More American than American” propaganda at the end:

    [MORE]

    During his investigation, Bloom discovered that the Jews were very rude to Postville’s civic leaders. They often cheated contractors and handymen by spreading out their payments over many months – when they didn’t simply throw away the bill, that is. They drove too fast on the roads and tried to hustle the local merchants. One Jewish woman tried to bribe a policeman, and one Rabbi stole some handmade leather sheaths from a woman, insisting that he’d already paid for them. And they didn’t bother to take care of the yards surrounding their homes – something which may seem trivial on the surface, but which is still a sign of disrespect. In the Midwest, a town displaying bad yards is a town that is dying.

    Another crisis occurred involving Postville’s municipal swimming pool. The Iowans were concerned that the Hasidic Jews would demand “Jews only” hours. Iowans would thus be displaced from an amenity which they had built and paid for.[3] There were also a great many zoning and building use violations. About this, Bloom writes:

    If the city of Postville tried to enforce any ordinance the Jews disagreed with, the immediate cry was anti-Semitism. If a local complained about the noise from the shul, if anyone disagreed about annexation, he or she was quickly branded an anti-Semite. Ultimately, I discovered, carrying on a conversation with any of the Postville Hasidim was virtually impossible. If you didn’t agree, you were at fault, part of the problem. You were paving the way for the ultimate destruction of the Jews, the world’s Chosen People. There was no room for compromise, no room for negotiation, no room for anything but total and complete submission.

    Toward the end of Postville, Bloom’s attitudes grow more hostile to the Lubavitchers. This is particularly noticeable when he describes the September 27, 1991 crime spree of Lubavitchers Pinchas Lew and Phillip Stillman. The pair got drunk, removed the license plate from their car, and robbed two townspeople at gunpoint. They shot one woman – she was able to recover, but the bullet was permanently lodged in her spine, causing her constant pain for the rest of her life. In Brooklyn, Stillman had been part of an Orthodox crime gang, and he left for Iowa after one of his gang’s members was murdered, execution-style.

    Stillman and Lew became bad-optics ambassadors for the Hasidic community in Iowa, and the Lubavitchers’ leadership did not realize the scale of the disaster. None of them checked up on the victims, or made a profession of remorse, or even so much as offered them a free slab of kosher beef. Instead, the Jews loudly supported their criminals, and, as always, ignored those whom they had harmed. In an interesting case of self-imposed blindness, Aaron Rubashkin could only say to Bloom, “No matter what we do, the goyim always find fault with us.”

    By the end of his book, Bloom is clearly thoroughly disgusted by the Lubavitchers’ behavior. Indeed, he ends up coming out in favor of the annexation. The annexation vote was successful, although the story continued, eventually leading to the pogrom.

    The Lubavitch Jews were using the meatpacking plant to launder money.

    By hiring illegal immigrant labor, the Jews imported Mexican and Central American crime into Iowa. Notably, Bloom mostly discusses only the Russian, Ukrainian, and Kazakh workers.

    The Jews engaged in street crime. Stillman and Lew’s crime spree as described above was the event that most seriously damaged relations between the Jews and the Iowans.

    The kosher slaughterhouse methods were sloppy. The plant was a torture center of cruelty towards animals.[6] Apparently, “throat ripping” can be kosher.

    Jewish managers overworked their illegal immigrant employees, didn’t always pay overtime, permitted dangerous working conditions, and employed child labor. The workers were “unionized,” but only in a sham union run by another Orthodox Jew.

    The Jews violated environmental laws. Wastewater from the plant was killing local fish. When the locals complained, the Lubavitchers ignored them.

    In every circumstance, the Lubavitchers hired the best lawyers. After the 2008 raid, many in the US Justice Department protested their treatment, and a great many charges were either dropped or reduced.

    With that background in mind, below is the point of this post. “We’re more American than Americans” is a Jewish propaganda trope. Per usual and as is the case with their religion, Muslims have taken their cue from Jews:

    Postville: When Cultures Collide is interesting in that it uses the normal J-Left methods of evading the truth about what was going on in Postville – namely, an aggressive Jewish sect behaving badly. The documentary uses the standard set of tricks to downplay the concerns of whites. For example, the Jews are shown to be “just like” the Iowans, and we see them playing baseball, having cookouts, and so on. But there is no mention of the 1991 crime spree, the zoning violations, or any of the other problems.

    The documentary is condescending towards the Iowans from the outset. It claims that most of the townspeople didn’t know who its most prominent citizen, Nobel Peace Prizewinner John R. Mott, Jr., was. From this point of view, Iowa might be considered a land without a people for a people without a land. (They have no culture! They don’t even know who their hero, Mott, was!) The town’s whites are shown dressed in work clothes, and they tend to be less than eloquent. When Jews are shown, they are wearing Iowa-style clothing and speak very clearly. These are the same sort of tricks that were used in the 1991 movie, Blood in the Face. Well-spoken whites are never seen, and the less eloquent ones are given plenty of screen time. Illegal immigrant crime is also downplayed. One Mexican activist interviewed claims the Iowans are simply “ignorant.”

  171. Anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    You ignore the fact that, after the Prophet arrived in Medina, Jewish tribes were the thorn in his side that fought openly for the destruction of Islam. This is well-established history.

    I’m not ignoring anything. You are ignoring the meat of my post, which far outclasses your common claim about Jewish and Islamic enmity that is not born out in modern politics in the West (see the videos of Rabbinical allegiance to Islam as one of its tools, which coincides with Jewish scripture that wants the West destroyed for Jewish gain) nor in history when actual physical clashes took place and etnire nations (Spain) were changed forever as a result of Islam and its documented support assistance by Jews toward that end.

    We are beyond conversation here. The evidence proves that the Jewish Nation is guilty of these crimes.

    It’s undeniable that Islam did provide for the religious liberty of Jews, which is why Jews supported the Muslims in those conquests to which you allude. It was a far cry easier for them to live under Muslim rule than it was for them to suffer under the yoke of the Church.

    Not an excuse. You admit Jewish guilt in the destruction of Spain. The Jewish texts plan out the future destruction of Europe and the United States by the same mechanism, as quoted in two of my prior posts in this thread. Jewish self-interest will not have us excuse them for their destruction of our nations. It will have us rightly label them as our mortal enemy. If Jews do not wish to be held accountable for working in their self interest, then they need to work for it only within the confines of the modern borders of Israel.

    Yet you ignore the fact that the shari’ah also protected the religious liberty of Christians, a liberty that was not accorded to Jews or Muslims under the aegis of the Church.

    We do not give a fuck what Moorish invaders allowed or disallowed in our lands. They had and have zero right to Europe, and destroyed Spain’s prior population forever with the help of Jews.

    We should destroy the population of Israel under the same pretense because some foreign nation would help it be more tolerant of us (Israel currently mandating the ejection of all non-Jews from Israel in the Messianic period)? You dolt.

    Claiming that “Islam is derived from Judaism” places the cart before the horse. “Islam” means submission to God, which is something that all prophets of the House of Israel practiced. Ancient Jews never knew such a term as “Judaism.”

    You have not made a point with your unclear gibberish. Islam is derived from and is a subcult of Judaism. Full stop.

    Anyone reading this needs to read my prior post, in full, that AnonStarter has attempted to talk around; in order to attain the full context of what he is attempting to variously rebut and skip over.

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  172. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    /After all – if I say Israel stole lands 70 years ago and should return them, why not Islam 1400 years ago?/

    A pandora’s box question that will allow every people once historically “dispossessed” to stake territorial claims. Furthermore, such history is irrelevant to the current situation in Palestine, which has remained unresolved since 1948. Israel continues to steal land to this day with the support of western polities, so it’s an offense that has a currently actionable, potentially non-violent solution.

    So — Based on your logic — If Jews manage to keep their land free from Muslim Occupiers long enough, the Muslim claims will become ‘historical and therefore void’.

    How many years is that? 100 years? 200 years? I would prefer to see a negotiated settlement that provides more hope to Muslim civilians within a shorter time frame. However, you outline a viable solution.

    It has taken 2,000 years to get Jewish land back. Waiting another 500 years to obtain clear title thus ending Muslim historical dispossession claims … This is a burden, but doable if that is how Islam wishes to go.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  173. “Here a major problem is the (American) public’s lack of interest in foreign policy, something few people take the trouble to examine in depth.”
    Yes, this is a major problem, and one that must be resolved. But will it? I think not. I find it difficult to engage anyone in an intelligent conversation, not only about foreign policy, but about the root cause of public opinion, and this is why. Inevitably any discussion of public opinion must include the psychology of how it’s formed, and who is behind it, which leads to talking about jewish influence including their ownership of the major media corporations, and such a talk leads to accusations of anti-Semitism, or fears of being branded an anti-semite.
    We can no longer fool ourselves; the jew can not be separated from the zionist, nor the misnomered judeao-christian. All are the same, and are anti-Christian.

  174. @Alden

    /University of Padua centuries earlier/

    U of Padua was established in 1222, so … no.

    Now if you’re going to claim that secular subjects were studied intensively in Padua long before its formal establishment as a university, then the Arab Muslim world still precedes Europe in this regard. One need only examine the history of such academic discipline beginning with the Abbasid era.

    /Now I suppose you’ll post some falsehoods about superior medieval era Muslim medicine./

    Well, I invite anyone here to refute the following “falsehoods”:

    * The Comprehensive book of medicine, Continens Liber, The Virtuous Life, authored by Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi (854–925 CE), was regarded in most European universities as the most comprehensive work ever written by a medical scientist for over seven centuries after it was authored.

    * He was the first physician to draw an accurate distinction between smallpox and measles.

    * He was also was the first to apply alcohol and sulfuric acid, among other substances, in medical treatment.

    * He criticized Galen’s theory of four humors, conducting experiments with results that undermined its hypotheses.

    * His text entitled The Diseases of Children was the first of its kind to deal with pediatrics as an independent field of medicine.

    * The Kitab al-Tasrif of al-Zahrawi (936-1013 CE) described methods of treatment for which later European physicians would claim credit, such as “Kocher’s method,” used in treating a dislocated shoulder and the “Walcher position” in obstetrics.

    * His text entitled On Surgery and Instruments is the first illustrated surgical guide ever written. After being translated to Latin in the 12th century, it remained the primary source on surgery in Europe for the next 500 years.

    * He invented an early form of the lithotrite for crushing bladder stones without surgical incision.

    * He invented instruments to scale calculus from teeth in the treatment of peridontal disease.

    * He is the first to use replantation in the history of dentistry.

    * He introduced over 200 surgical instruments never before used by physicians, and innovated the use of catgut for internal stitching in surgery, a method practiced to this day.

    * He described how to ligature blood vessels almost 600 years before Ambroise Paré and was the first to explain the heredity nature of hemophilia.

    * He the first to describe the migraine surgery procedure that is enjoying a revival in the 21st century, spearheaded by Elliot Shevel, a South African surgeon.

    * Ibn Sina (Avicenna) (980-1037 CE) was known for centuries throughout European universities as the “Father of Early Modern Medicine,” and for as much time, his Canon of Medicine was regarded as an authoritative medical text therein.

    * He introduced a radical departure from Aristotle’s Posterior Analytics, asserting that the latter’s method of induction must be replaced by a “method of experimentation as a means for scientific inquiry.”

    * Ibn al-Haytham (965-1040 CE) was the first to explain that vision occurs when light reflects from an object and then passes to one’s eyes, undermining Aristotle’s hypothesis.

    * He was the first to point out that vision occurs in the brain, rather than in the eyes.

    * He was also an early proponent of the concept that a hypothesis must be proved by experiments based on confirmable procedures or mathematical evidence, hence understanding the scientific method five centuries before Renaissance scientists.

    * Ibn al-Nafis (1213-1288 CE) was the first to accurately describe pulmonary circulation of the blood.

    * He was also the first to state that nutrients for the heart are extracted from coronary arteries.

    * His hypothesis that “there must be small communications or pores between the pulmonary artery and vein,” preceded the discovery of the capillary system by more than 400 years.

    * Disagreeing with Galen, he stated that “the pulse was a direct result of the heartbeat.”

    * He is also provided the earliest recorded reference for the concept of metabolism.

    ——-

    All of these men were polymaths, so this is, in fact, a very short list of their actual accomplishments. Muslim hospitals, which predate the first universities, were also de facto medical schools. Basic science preparation was learned through private tutors, self-study and lectures. These were the first hospitals to keep written records of patients and their medical treatment.

    Which brings us to an important distinction between early institutions of learning in the Muslim world and their counterpart in Europe: the granting of degrees, a phenomenon which has its roots in the Muslim world. European universities merely emulated this institution at a later time.

    So your distortion of history simply doesn’t pass close scrutiny. While true that there remained an emphasis upon explicitly Islamic learning in the earliest universities, that curriculum would, in a short period of time, expand to include subjects such as literature, history, politics, ethics, music, metaphysics, medicine, astronomy and chemistry.

    Enjoy your scoffing. It’s really all you’ve got left.

  175. @A123

    /Based on your logic/

    Which you predictably distort. No surprise there.

    It’s really quite simple:

    For the most part, the world recognizes sovereign boundaries of every modern nation-state. Past disputes regarding these boundaries have been largely resolved, with very, very few exceptions. As such, those who want to reclaim territory as “rightfully theirs,” however recent or dated the history of possession, invariably stand in violation of international law (e.g. Israel).

    If you don’t want to accept this standard, then you betray yourself as a scofflaw.

    In which case, you don’t really have any moral high ground upon which to stand, particularly since the Talmud isn’t an internationally recognized foundation of law.

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  176. @Anon

    /We are beyond conversation here./

    Well, then … Have it your way.

  177. @utu

    Not sure about confused, as much as dis-information source. I don’t know about Dumb and Dumber, but Hagee is no Christian. He spews hate. Following his rationale of the chosenites, why would anyone want to be part of a religion, in which they are second (third?) class members.
    As for others quotes, such as:

    Also, there is no evidence that any Democratic candidate for the presidency would do as much for Israel.

    With all respect to Sniegoski, there is no evidence that many of them wouldn’t, either. After all, they all kiss AIPAC’s arse. Recall that part of Trump’s platform was getting out of foreign wars, and even told AIPAC that he didn’t want their money, because they would try to control him, yet he certainly seems to be headed that way.

    The reality is that virtually all politicians are prostitutes doing the walk for funding. Nothing will change until elections are publicly funded, with private income or contributions banned, and a set amount given to each candidate contesting office. Make these corksuckers get out and knock on doors.

  178. @AnonStarter

    Past disputes regarding these boundaries have been largely resolved, with very, very few exceptions.

    For that to happen, Israel would have to declare its borders, which it refuses to do. This in turn highlights the irrelevance of “denying Israel’s right to exist”. If what Israel is, is unknown, how can one confirm or deny whether the unknown has a “right to exist”?

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  179. @Anon

    I realize you won’t benefit from anything I have to say. You’re beyond learning, and I appreciate your candor in making this clear.

    I don’t deny that Jews seek a clash of civilizations between Christians and Muslims, and that some of them interpret what they regard as prophecy to realize this ambition. More recent history, however, demonstrates that they have used America as their “broom” by which to “sweep up” the Muslim world surrounding Israel. Perhaps this is but a preliminary phase in actualizing that prophecy — instigating Muslims to counterattack — though, ultimately, the fault would be ours for failure to oppose this design to the best of our ability, wouldn’t it?

    For the benefit of others who might be interested, I recommend Dr. Thomas F. Glick’s Islamic and Christian Spain in the Early Middle Ages, which provides copious evidence that, far from “destroying” Spain, Muslims brought significant advancements in agriculture, commerce, government and education — among others — to the Iberian Peninsula. Visigoths certainly weren’t very sophisticated in these areas before the advent of al-Andalus and everything presented to “prove” otherwise really doesn’t carry much weight among experts in the field of history.

    Thanks, however, for the opportunity to explain myself. Much appreciated.

  180. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “I think your point is to suborn the alt-right“

    I think you don’t know what “suborn” means.

    “Then they can be turned to serving your nasty little Neo-Nazi statelet in the Middle East”

    This site isn’t one of your BDS protests in Oakland, “neo-nazi” isn’t much of an insult.

    “put it to good use serving Israel.”

    The best thing the Dork Right could do for Israel is stop dragging down Mainstream Patriots like Trump by having the popular cause of immigration reform be associated with mass shooters and Hitler fandom.

  181. mr meener says:
    @silviosilver

    a cuckservative will gleefully give his daughters to kneegrows then raise the mulatto kids. but you better not say anything bad about israel. the only time a cuck wants to fight is to defend israel

  182. @Curmudgeon

    /If what Israel is, is unknown, how can one confirm or deny whether the unknown has a “right to exist”?/

    A wonderfully concise question reaching straight to the essentially fallacy of that demand. Nicely done.

    “A” doesn’t really believe in an international standard of conduct, though. Like a good Zionist, he holds one standard for the Jews, and another for everyone else.

  183. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    /Based on your logic/ … Which you predictably distort. No surprise there.

    No distortion. Here is the logical framework you laid out:

    … A pandora’s box question that will allow every people once historically “dispossessed” to stake territorial claims.
    … such history is irrelevant to the current situation
    … it’s an offense that has a currently actionable, potentially non-violent solution.

    Removing the names of the parties shows your logic framework clearly. You postulate that there is one set of rules for ‘historic’ claims and another set for those that are ‘current’ claims. I simply followed the framework you created. My solution uses your exact logic. All I did was add in enough time to swap the ‘historic’ position from party 1 to party 2, and ‘current’ position from party 2 to party 1.

    You should give Ilya more credit. He realized that a time based approach was going to be unworkable.

    After all – if I say Israel stole lands 70 years ago and should return them, why not Islam 1400 years ago? Some will say time decay is exponential or whatnot, but that is casuistry.

    Let’s look at your new framework:

    For the most part, the world recognizes sovereign boundaries of every modern nation-state. Past disputes regarding these boundaries have been largely resolved, with very, very few exceptions. … If you don’t want to accept this standard, then you betray yourself as a scofflaw.

    Unfortunately, starting here leads almost directly back to the same time based trap in your prior argument. In the 1920’s the fairly modern world recognized the boundaries of Jewish Palestine and Muslim Palestine when the Palestinian Mandate was divided. In the 1940’s the United Nations rejected this standard and stole land that was already allocated Jewish Palestine. Thus to use your phrase, the United Nations betrayed itself as a scofflaw.

    Hopefully, Ilya is getting a laugh because this illustrates “causistry” in action.

    AnonStarter is cherry picking dates that give his cause maximum advantage. My position is somewhat stronger as almost any date other than the cherry picked ones work for my cause. However, any claim based on a single snapshot in time is going to have a problem as things change over time.

    I use the 1920’s division of the Palestinian Mandate as a good reference point and introduction. New visitors to the site and issue may not have any history. And, the 1920’s line is a workable compromise for borders that eliminates many of the flashpoints that would start another war. That being said, it is neither perfect nor the only possible solution.

    PEACE 😇

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  184. Druid says:
    @TKK

    I’ve met a few of those Christians who visit Israel and like it. They’re idiotic morons, who have fallen for the machinations of Talmudic shites like you !

  185. Druid says:
    @follyofwar

    Pager had to add Taiwan. Kin of like whey include the Saudi government in their machinations. It just wouldn’t look good if it was pIsrae alone

  186. A123 says:

    Rather than beating on what doesn’t work.

    Let’s examine what could lead to a solution that does work.

    Any negotiated settlement needs to recognize the decades of bad blood and the competition for scarce resources.

    Giving the sides enough physical separation:
    — Provides for national and physical security concerns.
    — Prevents head butting at the fence lines allowing passions to cool over time (hopefully)
    — Eliminates the cost of daily armed struggle and defense.
    — Allows each population exclusive and sovereign control over their natural resources, thus making each side accountable for the use and protection of those resources.

    Trying to build a solution exclusively in the area West of the Jordan river doesn’t seem to allow for the necessary physical separation and definitely does not allow for separate control of natural resources. Any negotiations that drive towards a WIN-LOSE end state are almost certain to fail.

    Finding additional land and water opens up opportunity for WIN-WIN solutions.

    One of the more promising ideas that has been floated is a Southern Sinai option for a New Palestine that has no physical border with Israel:
    — No attack tunnels.
    — No terror rocket launches.
    — No counterstrikes.
    — No cycle of escalating violence.

    The Gulf of Suez and/or Gulf of Aqaba provides fishing and the ability to develop commercial ports. Being south of the Suez Canal provides immense opportunities for Asian trade. Outside commercial investment and travel would no longer be constrained by violence related security restrictions.

    Needless to say, Egypt would demand and receive a lot for this option. Initial infrastructure and reasonably priced staple goods would have to be guaranteed. Generous compensation would generate all of the necessary relocation for a decade or more as the New Palestine starts to build.

    A government structure that keeps out the hardliner failures from existing Fatah and Hamas bureaucracies would be needed. Certainly the U.N. must be kept out to avoid any dependency traps. Perhaps the launch would allow for an Egyptian governor and policing for a fixed number of years. There would need to be explicit tests and/or time lines to avoid the appearance of an Egyptian colony.

    It could even work as new land for Israel rather than New Palestine. How many young Israeli families are exasperated by the cost of renting or owning in the Tel Aviv to Jerusalem corridor. It would be much harder to kick start, because both employers and employees would have to transition together, but it is something that could be discussed.

    None of this would be easy or guaranteed to work, but it does illustrate that WIN-WIN is possible if the right ingredients can be found.

    PEACE 😇

  187. @Jeff Stryker

    Africa has a huge population. So does Bangladesh.

    How are they conquering the world?

    Who said they were conquering the world? They are just degrading it by irresponsible breeding. If, in your words, “no matter what, immigration will continue” that’s one reason why.

  188. Druid says:
    @A123

    A relentless and lying troll, you surely are!
    And in your hate of muslims you constantly go too far
    You are a zio-semite hiding as a christian white
    Consistent with being a lying pseudo-semite

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  189. Druid says:
    @A123

    Typical Zio- jew reply. It’s so obvious. Liar!

  190. @A123

    Iran has not started an aggressive war since 1798, banging on about them doesn’t change that fact.

    How to enforce neutrality? Simple – if an Israeli soldier is ordered to step their foot outside of the declared nation then neutrality is broken. What Switzerland has. Neutrality is not a guarantee of not being invaded, but it certainly helps. The nukes otherwise would do the rest.

    As for receiving ‘just’ 1/4 of the mandate – see? This is just the continuation of cross-generational theft. Jewish ethnocentrism is commendable in this respect because unlike representative democracies, they can run for a century long goal – sad they choose to set the goal of daylight robbery. Give this and in 50 years more demands will be set. Especially if Israel splinters the nations around it and then plays them off against each other – this is just as the modern history shows, to expect otherwise would be delusional.

    Geography is only important for outdated, 19th century warfare. No mountain stops a bomber or hypersonic missile, and the only real geographical defence lines that are remaining are oceans. There are exceptions, but geographically the closest one is Afghanistan, so this doesn’t apply to the ME.

    So I would say, given the history of aggression by Jews since the first Aalias, given the undefendibility of a strip of the ME in the modern world (this is knowing that Israel is still paranoid about attack, even though it has started all the wars in its short history, and has nukes!), given the fact Israelis will still feel that an ‘injustice had been done’ by being given the right to rob even more (and two parties agreeing on taking the land of others is robbery, you do not address how this is justified from either a Jewish or Christian point of view – only from a-moral, profit seeking, tit-for-tat thinking), given the well known and powerful voices that call for Israeli expansion into the lands ‘from the Red sea to the Euphrares’, to save both Israel and the people of the Middle East the pain, the actual proposition of the final solution – sending all the Jews onto an island (not Madagascar, too big – Reunion, 3x Singapore as a landmass, and has a volcano to boot, so the rediscovery of the old religion of worshipping high places would be possible), is best. Then there would be ocean for defense, and no need to enforce any neutrality, since no more aggression on the part of Israel would be plausible.

    Interesting that Hitler and Stalin actually went for approximately the same solution.

  191. Druid says:
    @Colin Wright

    Idiot, 911 was a mossad/neocon job

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  192. Miggle says:

    exiled from the ACELA corridor cocktail party circuit, where Russell Reno and the like moneygrubbers can ask the well-healed

    It’s a pity this parochial Groot brute never learned to write proper English. Will he ever be heeled? And who outside his ACELA corridor knows what ACELA is?

  193. @AnonStarter

    Agreed on the principle, I was playing Devil’s advocate. Can’t be done to the Devil though! Just push push push, give an inch and a mile will be stolen.

    My preferred method is decolonization – worked perfectly OK for the Whites when they left their colonies in the 20th (other than their then neo-colonization through human rights warring!). But an Island solution is good too – no gray zone to debate there.

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  194. Miggle says:

    More central to the Zionist cause, though, are the useful Christian idiots. Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, and John Hagee—men whose Christianity is perpetually for sale, like a whore on the corner—keep the gullible evangelical crowd in its subservient, “philo-Semitic” place. An easy task, that, as these persons believe the recreation of Israel is part of biblical prophecy that will lead to Armageddon and the second coming of Christ.

    Obviously these idiots are not Christian idiots. Not even Bolton with his Scofield moustache. Nowhere is it recorded that Christ urged war against the Persians. Rather, he said “love your enemy; do good to those who hate you; if someone hits you on one cheek, offer him the other as well”. The Christian heritage is extraordinarily high moral standards which they more than most fail to meet.

    They are idiots yet cunning exploiters of idiots more idiotic than themselves, whom they lead to believe that driving the real Hebrews (who now call themselves Arabs) out of Palestine and putting fake Jews with names like Mileikovski alias Netanyahu in their place, fakes who are European Whites like themselves whom they instinctively support therefore, will lead to the end mentioned.

    Those doubly idiotic ones should open their Scofield bibles at Rev. 19:19 where even Scofield writes notes about of the insensitivity of the professing church, the apostasy of the professing church, the “rapture” of the true church; and should understand that, notwithstanding Scofield’s fake designation “Palestinian Covenant” elsewhere, any of them who supports a “Jewish state” in Palestine is deeply sunk in that apostasy, is not of the true church.

  195. @A123

    That was quite an impressive effort, and you almost had me convinced that I meant something other than what I had written, but then I remembered your singular inability to read minds and thought better of it.

    Now, what I originally wrote was predicated upon the assumption that current international law is the framework from which to proceed. (No need to cherry-pick dates.) That didn’t change from one response to the next and if you read my words with this in mind, it’s easy enough to clear up any confusion, unless, of course, you’re interested in misrepresenting what I said.

    Which, given your particular track record, goes without saying.

    So, for the benefit of others who aren’t interested in so doing, here’s my position:

    Peaceful resolution of the conflict in Palestine won’t happen without an objective criterion by which the contending parties may reach an agreement affecting detente. Thus far, the most practical, readily available criterion by which to do so is current international law. According to this criterion, most territorial disputes that existed prior to the establishment of the United Nations have been resolved. That of Palestine, however, has not.

    Applying this law would allow both parties to reach a peaceful settlement to the conflict. Israel, however, has been and remains the primary violator of UNSC resolutions passed with respect to territorial dispute in Palestine and demonstrates no willingness to abide by international law in order to affect a peaceful settlement.

    This is the well-established, irrefutable, internationally recognized reality on the ground.

    Now, your statement that “the fairly modern world recognized the boundaries of Jewish Palestine and Muslim Palestine when the Palestinian Mandate was divided” is not only misleading, it’s irrelevant, since, in July 1922, when the League of Nations formally confirmed Britain’s mandate over Palestine, Transjordan was excluded from the Palestine mandate and from Britain’s promise to assist in the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

    As such, not even Britain recognized Transjordan as “Muslim Palestine.” There was no such legal mandate for it and, contrary to your claim, no internationally recognized standard for either the League of Nations or United Nations to reject thereafter. Consequently, your entire argument collapses like a house of cards scattered to the four winds by a sudden gale.

    Anyways, it’s been fun. See ya soon.

  196. @Ilya G Poimandres

    /Can’t be done to the Devil though! Just push push push, give an inch and a mile will be stolen./

    [laughing]

    He’s fairly desperate for validation, that ol’ scratch.

    /My preferred method is decolonization – worked perfectly OK for the Whites when they left their colonies in the 20th (other than their then neo-colonization through human rights warring!)/

    Would that Israel itself considered Palestine a mere “colony” …

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  197. @AnonStarter

    Well, Herzl certainly sold it as a colonial enterprise in The Jewish State.

    Should the Powers declare themselves willing to admit our sovereignty over a neutral piece of land, then the Society will enter into negotiations for the possession of this land. Here two territories come under consideration, Palestine and Argentine. In both countries important experiments in colonization have been made, though on the mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration of Jews. An infiltration is bound to end badly. It continues till the inevitable moment when the native population feels itself threatened, and forces the Government to stop a further influx of Jews. Immigration is consequently futile unless we have the sovereign right to continue such immigration.

    The Society of Jews will treat with the present masters of the land, putting itself under the protectorate of the European Powers, if they prove friendly to the plan.

    But yes, it is more than that to them. Incidentally, I wonder if the Roma ever had any movements to go back to Northern India or whether that is all forgotten now.

  198. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Constantinople

    A few scholars have gone so far as calling the Pandidakterion the first “university” in the world, but this view does not take into account that the Byzantine centers of higher learning generally lacked the corporative structure of the medieval universities of Western Europe which were the first to use the Latin term universitas for the corporations of students and masters that came to define the institutional character of the university thereafter.[7][8] Nonetheless, the Dictionnaire encyclopédique du Moyen Âge tentatively identifies the Pandidakterion of 425 AD as a “university institution”.[8]

    Also see https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nalanda

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  199. @Anon

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2650488

    The term jami’ah, meaning ‘universal’, was used to refer to Al-Azhar in the 10th century. The idea of the universitas as the site where universal knowledge is taught, where the branches of knowledge of a universal nature are taught (hence jami’ah, universitas) appeared only after the madrasah and jami’ah had been established in the Muslim world.

    On the institution of the college, the university’s predecessor:

    The earliest record of the employment of the charitable trust in England is 1224,when it was practised by the friars of the Franciscan order (Pollack and Maitland, 1952: 229; Cattan, 1955: 213, both cited in Makdisi, 1980: 39). Makdisi, following Cattan, suggests that the early English use of the charitable trust was derived from the Muslim waqf. This conclusion is based on the similarities between the two systems as well as the fact that the latter predates the former (Makdisi, 1980: 39).

    As far as the internal structure of colleges was concerned, there were also striking similarities with their Islamic counterparts that predate them. Muslim colleges had the sahib (fellow) and mutafaqqih (scholar). The Latin equivalent to sahib, socius, an exact translation of the Arabic, was employed in the colleges (Makdisi, 1980: 40).

    On the granting of degrees:

    The Islamic educational institutions were degree (ijazah) granting. This
    predates degree granting in European medieval universities. … Guillaume suggested that the Latin baccalaureus may have originated from the Arabic bi haqq al-riwiiya (the right to teach on the authority of another) but was unable to go beyond this speculation (Guillaume, 1931: 245). Later, Ebied and Young, aware of Guillaume’s suggestion, discussed the appearance of the exact phrase bi haqq al-riwiiya as a technical term in documents called ijiizah that conferred the right to teach on the recipient (Ebied and Young, 1974: 3-4). The theory is that the phrase bi haqq al-riwiiya was assimilated to baccalaureus.

    Now, to be certain, the comprehensive form of the university as we know it today was likely established in Europe, though it nevertheless owes a great deal to institutions in the Muslim world directly mirrored in its own administrative structure.

  200. @Druid

    Dear Druid, you see
    that this A123
    is a Zionist troll
    with a desperate plea.

    So let’s let him be free
    to embarrassingly
    endorse a course
    with which but fools will agree.

    Then, when the fools
    become nothing but tools,
    slaving for Israel’s
    family jewels,
    burdened like mules,
    yet embittered as ghouls,
    we can give thanks
    for our own set of rules.

  201. This essay shows that even a philo Semite or anti – anti semite like this author can be right once in awhile. Trump probably is in the bag for Addelson and this probably will mean war with Iran if Trump takes 20; the Christian Zionists will support this war with glee as they think it means their salvation.

    That being said, what is so bad about antisemitism? It is simply the age old perception that Jews – all exceptions granted – work as a group or tribe to achieve control over other people’s resources. Once upon a time, this view was just common sense. Then we got sophisticated. Now we don’t control our own foreign policy or domestic policy for that matter. Only the anti semites can explain how that happened and only by explaining how Protestant Christianity was progressively Judaized until it reached the point of the evangelicals’ messianism which could have been invented by Zionist Jews

  202. What an essay!

    Christopher DeGroot is the new Paul Gottfried.

  203. Alden says:
    @Cleburne

    Soooo; you’re Russian Orthodox I presume? At least you decorate your churches beautifully.

  204. Alden says:
    @A123

    Isn’t Exodus in the Jewish part of the collection of myths, fairy tales and mashup of a million legends?????

  205. Alden says:
    @renfro

    What nonsense are you writing about?

    I got this information from the Greene library. Stanford University. I almost never use email. I check about 3 times a month to delete all the garbage. I text friends and relatives.

    When I’m compelled to give online shopping sites an email, I make them up as I don’t want 5 messages a day from whatever store.

    There are other sources of information than the internet you know.

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    , @renfro
  206. @Alden

    /I got this information from the Greene library. Stanford University./

    Well, Stanford can hardly be faulted for your lack of academic diligence.

    Your claim that “The only reason Jefferson bought and read a copy of the Qur’an (sic) was to understand the enemy” — that being what you allege was his view of the Barbary States — is simply false on its face, since he purchased his first copy of Sale’s translation of The Qur’an in 1765, well before Mediterranean privateering became an issue for American vessels.

    What’s more, it would look better if you actually had copied and pasted that chain mail to which renfro’s linked article alluded. Your portrayal of history appears to be influenced less by serious study of the subject than by a poorly written b-movie script, depicting Jefferson as some kind of Enlightenment age Chuck Norris — a caricature most offensive to Jefferson himself.

    Jefferson was wisely diplomatic for years with the Barbary States until he was able to affect an end to their demands with military might. Contrary to what you present, his first correspondence wasn’t with the Dey of Algeria, it was with the Ambassador of Tripoli, ‘Abd al-Rahman, and it occurred not by letter, but in person, with John Adams — then Ambassador to Britain — in London.

    Furthermore, Jefferson did not view America’s problem with them in terms of religion. In spite of a brief qur’anic rationale provided by Tripoli’s ambassador, Jefferson remain convinced the ambassador was driven by monetary incentive.

    North African polities had endured periodic invasions and occupation by Spain since the 16th century. It was as a consequence of this aggression that the institution of privateering developed among the Barbary States, though it had many predecessors throughout Europe. Piracy, as such, was quite commonplace for the age in which it occurred.

    As for Muslim libraries, your statement is about as accurate as most of those you’ve made to date — which is to say, not at all. The Egyptian National Library alone houses several million volumes, most copies of which are not available in America.

    But even if we were to concede that modern American libraries are superior to those in the Muslim world, it appears not to matter much, since most of the American public — such as yourself — doesn’t make very effective use of them. One way you might put your time at Green to good use is by checking out Thomas Jefferson’s Qur’an: Islam and the Founders, which, as a quick search reveals, is currently in circulation there.

    Of course, you’ll have to read and understand it as well. You might even locate some good texts on medieval Islamic developments in the field of medicine, a subject about which you also appear to lack knowledge. Here’s one available at Green right now:

    Medieval Islamic medicine

    Of course, if that’s too “liberal” for you, you can always hit FrontPageMag or Breitbart.

    Your choice.

  207. @Parbes

    Thanks for the good information.

  208. renfro says:
    @Alden

    Sorry, I was replying to someone else, not you ……and opps, made a mistake

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