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The Church of England, whose supreme governor is the Queen, and is represented in the House of Lords, nevertheless has supported the World Council of Churches’ Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme in Palestine and Israel (EAPPI) since its inception, and in 2012 their General Synod overwhelmingly voted in favor of a private members motion on Palestine/Israel, in spite of pressure from pro-Israel organisations. I saw no good reason not to hire a room from one of their churches in London for a talk by Miko Peled on ‘Journey of an Israeli in Palestine’.

My group, Keep Talking, was set up in 2010 in order to maintain a presence in London of the 9/11 Truth movement, following its rapid decline and in-fighting over allegations of ‘antisemitism’. Since then we have held meetings every month, with just three being cancelled because of interventions by the Israel lobby. However, we had subsequently had two talks by Israeli-born Gilad Atzmon, who had renounced his Jewishness and called into question the concept of Jewish identity. These meetings passed off without incident, and so I was emboldened to invite Miko Peled to give a talk about his experiences. He too had been born an Israeli Jew, but when his ten-year-old sister was killed in a Palestinian suicide bombing he started to find out what could induce his Palestinian neighbours to act so desperately. He subsequently wrote books on the subject, most notably ‘The General’s Son’.

The meeting passed off without incident in October 2019 in a packed room for 40 at St Anne’s Church in Soho, London. I counted 55. The staff were very helpful. They even drew up a poster announcing for the meeting, with a photo of Miko Peled as if he were directing people. There really was a good relationship between us, and I felt that we would be welcome to book the room on future occasions, especially on the Palestinian topic.

Miko Peled told us that he had just attended the Labour Party conference, where he had given a talk at a fringe meeting. The main topic of conversation had been Palestine. But he did say that he had been described as “the most antisemitic person in the Labour Party”. That was so ridiculous, since he was an Israeli Jew, that he gained a round of applause. This was clearly fake antisemitism. At the end of his talk, when thanking him, I felt that the initial round of applause could possibly be used against him, so I told him that he had competition in the “Patron Saint of Israel”, Theodor Herzl, whose diaries show him to be the most antisemitic person in history. He had advocated the transfer of ‘poor Jews’ from Europe to Palestine in a military operation at the behest of the ‘rich Jews’. I had written that up in my article ‘UK’s Labour Antisemitism Split: Just what the Doctor Prescribed’, which had appeared in March 2019 in the Unz Review.

An apology

In view of the welcome we had felt on the evening of Miko Peled’s talk, we were amazed the following Monday to be alerted to an ‘apology’ posted by the rector of St Anne’s Church on their website, stating:

St Anne’s Church, Soho allows its Hall and Allen Room to be used for a variety of events for the benefit of our diverse community. It was in this spirit that we accepted a room booking from an organisation called ‘Keep Talking’ for them to hold an evening entitled ‘Journey of an Israeli in Palestine’. Unfortunately, this event, which was entirely separate from the church, may not have accurately reflected our values or those of our community.

The church was neither organising nor promoting the event, and it did not appear in any of our publicity. However, I regret that we inadvertently gave a platform, however small, to anyone whose words on the night, or reputation from the past, had the potential to cause offense. That was not our intention. St Anne’s absolutely opposes any form of hatred: be it racism, homophobia or antisemitism. We apologise for the offence that has been caused to members of the Jewish Community and will be donating the room hire fee to Community Security Trust. This is the first time a situation like this has arisen here, but as a result we will also be reviewing our booking procedure with the aim of ensuring it does not happen again.

That text was posted on Sunday, 6 October. I first heard about it the following day. We had received no communication from St Anne’s church, let alone the opportunity to comment. The ‘apology’ stayed on their website for a fortnight or so, before being taken down.

In the meantime, a group called ‘Hope not Hate’ had posted a series of tweets about our meeting. This was a group that had played a leading role in closing down previous meetings, which had not been about Palestine, Israel, Zionism or even 9/11. As had happened before, they had no word of criticism of the contents of the talk, but they wrote only of people in attendance, accusing them of being ‘far-right’ or ‘Holocaust deniers’. They even posted an old picture of one of them at an event hosted by Jeremy Corbyn, which appeard in the Daily Mail to incriminate Jeremy Corbyn. These tweets demonstrate how a vilification campaign can be built up from very little. This campaign is clearly part of the same campaign of innuendo that has been raging within the Labour Party since Jeremy Corbyn became leader.

Nick Kollerstrom wrote a courteous and well-reasoned letter to the church. He didn’t receive a reply. My own approach was harder, because I had recognised the very careful wording in the ‘apology’, as gaslighting. I wrote at some length to the Parish Administrator, saying that I was astounded that St Anne’s Church, having been such a sympathetic host, could now turn round and denounce such a person as Miko Peled.

I then referred to the vile insinuations about out meeting that Hope not Hate had been putting out, and pointing out that they are a political campaigning group and a registered charity, which is not allowed under English charity law. My letter continued:

Hope not Hate claim to be standing up against hatred, but the means by which they operate are by naming people as ‘Fascists’, ‘Holocaust Deniers’ and ‘antisemites’. That is a hate campaign. I know good Christians who feel very, very strongly about that, and very strongly, too, about Christian churches who go along with that sort of skulduggery.

I was therefore perturbed this morning to receive a link to your statement at https://stannes-soho.org.uk/an-apology/ . I am therefore asking for an explanation from St Anne’s Church about this statement. Your statement apologises to ‘the Jewish community’. I would like to ask which Jewish community, because Jews are very divided on this issue. I think most Orthodox Jews would be very supportive of Miko Peled’s stand.

My letter then elaborated on the points made above about Miko Peled, and the fake antisemitism campaign in the Labour Party. “There are two Jewish organisations in the Labour Party, one that is critical of Zionism and one that is supportive of Zionism, and is behind much of the false allegations of antisemitism directed at Jeremy Corbyn, one of the most fair-minded people I have ever met. That is why our speaker was applauded for that. The reason Jeremy Corbyn has been targeted is that he has in the past spoken out in support of the Palestinians. Our speaker explained how anyone who is supportive of the plight of the Palestinians gets branded by the Zionist lobby as ‘antisemitic’, even Jews like himself. There is much disquiet amongst many Jews at what is going on”.

I requested a meeting with the rector so that he could “explain the church’s statement, which I regard as defamatory and un-Christian. But in the meantime I request a written reply to this letter”.

The rector replied:

As promised here is the written reply to your letter that you requested in your email to our administrator on Monday.

You misquote my apology by stating that I said that it apologised ‘to the Jewish community’, which you rightly queried as the Jewish ‘Community’, just like the ‘Christianity community’ is made up of many communities. It is for that reason my apology is specifically made to ‘members of the Jewish Community’ i.e. a number of individuals rather than any one group.

Amongst the things we have learned from this experience is that there will always be people who will be unhappy with any position that we take or comment that we make. Just as you are unhappy that I should have apologised to those who were offended by either the content or reputation of anyone who spoke at your meeting, so I have received several emails from those who still feel my apology does not go far enough.

I have sought to be careful in this matter as I was not at the meeting to defend what you (if you spoke) or Miko Peled said, nor have I been able to confirm with those who phoned or emailed to complain that any accusation made against anyone who was present is correct. But I recognise that a talk from someone who has clearly provoked controversy in the past is enough to cause reasonable offence to people. I am fully supported by senior members of the Diocese that a church in Soho- a place which cherishes peaceful diversity rather than courting controversy- should apologise in this instance.

I do not accept your accusation of our apology being defamatory.

I had not made an accusation of their apology being defamatory; I, too, had chosen my words carefully. However, the reverend does make it clear that he is referring to Miko Peled and unconfirmed accusations. He had stated in the apology text that they regretted giving “a platform”, and the only people on the platform – figuratively, because there was no physical platform – were Miko Peled and myself, and he didn’t know whether I spoke. I replied:

Yes, you wrote ‘members of the Jewish community’, not ‘some members of the Jewish community’. That would imply to most people ‘all members of the Jewish community’. That is just as bad as condemning ‘Jews’ instead of ‘some Jews’. I note that you admit to very careful wording. We have ‘members of the Jewish community’ in our group, and that includes our speaker for the evening Miko Peled, whom you have implicitly accused of antisemitism. Miko Peled is an honorable man.

I pointed out that no-one had criticised Miko Peled’s talk, and that it therefore was not controversial, and added: “You have implicitly, with your very careful wording, endorsed Hope not Hate’s lies and innuendos, with ‘plausible denial’. To attack someone on the basis that he has been attacked is immoral. What you say in your email suggests that you are in favour of sending people to Coventry on the basis of them having been criticised. Your statement, together with this email, is outrageous”. I requested a meeting.

The rector replied: “In response to your email I am not willing to meet with you and Miko next Wednesday as I do not believe this would be a productive conversation. You have made your feelings very clear and I am unable to engage in further dialogue over this matter. I wish you both well and hope that we can move on peacefully and respectfully.” That is a technique I am familiar with: to implicitly cause offence, and then when the person replies talk about moving on peacefully and respectfully, as if it’s the other person’s fault. Miko Peled replied to him:

This is very disappointing. We will not be able to move on because your apology has emboldened the people to whom you apologized and they are now terrorizing other groups and demanding an apology quoting your apology as a precedent.

You have placed others who agree with me on the issue of Palestine in a very difficult position. If you will not meet with us please put out a public statement and clarify your position so that it is clear you are [words missing?]

It giving license to the Zionist groups to pressure others to issue an apology.

Discussion with a parishioner

One of our attendees then wrote to me saying that he had visited the church for Morning Prayer, and that he had a long chat with the rector. “His difficulty”, he wrote, “arose from the reputation of your organisation and its involvement with people who embrace seemingly nutty conspiracy ideas amongst which is holocaust denial”.

That explanation from the Reverend was at odds with the one he gave to me, which was clearly targeting the speaker, as “someone who has clearly provoked controversy in the past”. Clearly, the presence of certain people in the audience was only an excuse. Our meeting didn’t “fuel the activities of the Israel lobby”, and nor did it “prejudice the defence of the interests of the Palestinians”. The plain fact is that the Israel lobby can target anyone who in any way defends the interests of the Palestinians. As regards “nutty conspiracy ideas”, I searched the Authorised King James version of the Bible for the letters ‘conspir’, and retrieved 30 mentions. The Israel lobby could do to the Church of England exactly what it did to us, or to Jeremy Corbyn, and for the same reason, because the Church of England, too, supports the defence of the people of Palestine.

The Church of England is clearly split over Palestine, with the leadership under pressure from the Israel lobby. The issue of the redefinition of ‘antisemitism’ affected the Church of England, too, and was hugely controversial. “The House of Bishops formally adopted the IHRA document without any of the usual detailed and lengthy debate that normally takes place before the Church of England makes changes to any aspect of its ways of working”, wrote one reporter, who accused the Church of England of stifling Palestinian solidarity. Interestingly, the World Council of Churches in 2012 published a report ‘Faith Under Occupation: The Plight of Indigenous Christians in the Holy Land’. According to this report, “in 1948, the Christian population of the Holy Land was more than 18 percent, and today it is less than 2 percent. Once Bethlehem was more than 90% Christian; now Christians are a mere 15% there.” They point out: “Many people in the West tend to view the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict as a Muslim-Jewish one, and unless they belong to either of these faiths, they often find it difficult to relate to the conflict and those who are affected by it”, and they conclude, “The clearest conclusion that we gathered from these case studies is that Palestinian Christians are disproportionately affected by the occupation”. Yet the top echelons of the Church of England seem to take more notice of the Israel lobby than they do of the rank-and-file Christians.

In Miko Peled’s subsequent talk in Hastings, he talked during the question and answer session about the plight of the large community of ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel, who are consciencious objectors and as such are regarded as deserters. The police, he said, “go into the neighbourhood and they look for deserters, and they grab them by the beards, and yank them, and beat the hell out of these guys, at two o’clock in the morning – very similar to what they do to the Palestinians. … These guys by their thousands are being persecuted by the Israeli police and I swear to you, if you look at – if you see the videos of what goes on when the mounted police on horseback come into those neighbourhoods and start smashing skulls, it’s beyond belief. OK?”. Clearly, there’s no such thing as ‘the Jewish community’, and Jews do not constitute ‘a people’. Orthodox Jews in Israel and in London burn the Israeli flag on Independence Day. So why did the Reverend apologise to secular apologists for the world’s only pogrom state?

We’re all Palestinians now

Meanwhile, I came across an article by pro-Israeli activist Jonathan Hoffman, who had recently been convicted of disorderly behaviour. At the end of his article was a photo of a man holding an Israeli flag at the entrance to St Anne’s Church, under which were the words: “At our protest outside the Church on 6 October, the Rector promised to publish this apology on the Church website and the Bishop of London undertook to remind all London Clergy that bookings for meetings must be properly checked”. The guy in that picture looks like Jonathan Hoffman.

I wrote back to my informer: “Whilst I can sympathise with your rector in the face of such intimidation, I do feel he should have been more honest with us”.

So how can the Church of England be held to ransome by a violent thug posing as a gatekeeper and holding an Israeli flag? This case illustrates the techniques of gaslighting, gatekeeping and mob rule, in taking control of organisations. I gain some inspiration from this case, because our meeting brought together ordinary people from various interest groups, who are facing common adversaries. Activists from these groups need to work more together. We are all Palestinians now.

 
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  1. It all sounds like the usual viciously dishonest Zionist bullshit.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, The Shadow
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @RadicalCenter
  2. renfro says:

    You have to expect vile accusations and a flood of complaints from Jewish groups.

    But who cares…..my church has finally seen the light.

    Episcopal Church officially bars investments in companies benefitting from the Israeli occupation
    Randall Heyn-Lamb on October 24, 2019….mondoweiss

    This week, the Executive Council of the Episcopal Church adopted a human rights investment screen related to Israel and Palestine and will sell its holdings in Motorola Solutions, Caterpillar, Inc., and the Israel Discount Bank.
    This is the latest step in response to a July 2018 General Convention Resolution (B016) which committed the Episcopal Church to a similar process taken by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America two years earlier. The action also follows steps previously taken by the Presbyterian Church (USA), the United Methodist Church and the United Church of Christ.

    More will follow.

    • Agree: Druid, Richard P
    • Replies: @anon
    , @anonymous
  3. Sheesh. Has apologizing to Yinon-ists become a global pastime in the West?

    • Replies: @Anon
  4. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    The Episcopal Church has been excellent. The National Cathedral in DC hosts an annual Holy Land film festival devoted to Palestinian rights and Israeli abominations. This year Miko Peled was one of the featured discussants after a film.

    • Agree: The Shadow
  5. Exile says:

    Even declared anti-Zionists have to wear the camouflage of representing part of the “Jewish Community” to protest their un-personing?

    Such delicate wordsmithing to avoid offending the sensibilities of a foreign faith held by less than 1% of the UK’s population. It’s almost as if these interloping outsiders have disproportionate influence or something.

    This speaks volumes about the Absolute State of (((Occupied))) Britain.

    • Agree: Alfred, The Shadow
  6. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    A guy’s sister is killed by a jihadi suicide bomber, he undertakes a journey about “understanding” them.

    Labour led by a jihadi-loving communist nut with sub-20% approval ratings

    9-11 Truther nut ranting about Zionists and Israeli police brutality against the ultra orthodox Jews (that’s a new one at least!)

    They can all cry together as BoJo sweeps to victory in a few weeks!

    Some quotes:

    “I am a passionate Zionist. I am a supporter of Israel. I believe in its existence. I’ve been on a kibbutz for heaven’s sake.”

    In 2015, on a visit to Israel, he praised the country for “the audacity, the bravery, the willingness to take risks with feats of outrageous derring-do.”

    I believe that the Balfour Declaration paved the way for the birth of a great nation. The State of Israel has prevailed over every obstacle, from the harshness of nature to the visceral hostility of its enemies, to become a free society with a thriving and innovative economy and the same essential values that we in Britain hold dear.”

  7. God forgives.

    I don’t.

  8. Miro23 says:

    Rector of St Annes Church, Soho, London:

    “But I recognize that a talk from someone who has clearly provoked controversy in the past is enough to cause reasonable offence to people. I am fully supported by senior members of the Diocese that a church in Soho- a place which cherishes peaceful diversity rather than courting controversy.”

    This person is a cowardly worm – totally unfit to be a Christian. He no doubt disapproves of the way that Jesus and the early Christians “provoked controversy”.

  9. I have always wondered about The Episcopalians.

    Time to go to church Sunday and see what else they are preaching.

  10. gotmituns says:

    Every so often a Christian church show signs of sanity.

  11. Roughing up the Orthodox for resisting conscription, eh?

    Is this the fulfillment of God’s promise, or just a meaningless exception to the general, paradisiacal ethos so pervasive throughout the Promised Land?

    Inquiring minds, and all that.

  12. El Dato says:

    At the end of his article was a photo of a man holding an Israeli flag at the entrance to St Anne’s Church

    In more normal times, there would have been an immediate removal from premises by concerned onlookers (and possibly worse).

    Imagine someone holding a vigil with a flag of Italy in front of a church a bit earlier in the last century, let’s say so around ’38?

    Not only does it make any sense, it is very distasteful.

  13. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:

    The existence of blacks makes me seriously doubt that there is any God, at least in the Christian sense. What sort of sick God would create creatures like blacks and inflict all the suffering upon white people that “he” has?

    If God exists then he must be anti-White to allow what is happening to white people, there’s just no other way of explaining it. In my experience the only devout white Christians left seem to be naive, sheltered people who have never had to live in a multi-racial society, like Greeks and Slavs, basically people who have no comprehension of what the real world is like outside their own cultural and racial bubble. Once a people are faced with the real world, such as mass immigration and multi-racialism, belief in naive bullshit like Christianity quickly dies.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
    , @Kiel
  14. @Lot

    Gosh. Those quotes you provided make Miko Peled seem like such a stand-up zionist.

    Enough to make you think there’d be no good reason to prevent his speaking at St. Anne’s, isn’t it?

    Hmm …

  15. @Lot

    /A guy’s sister is killed by a jihadi suicide bomber, he undertakes a journey about “understanding” them./

    In the parlance of most Christians, that’s an example of “loving your enemies” as per Matthew 5: 43-48.

    You know … Christianity? That religion you profess you follow?

    Now why would a self-professed Christian be so snidely dismissive of such a journey?

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    , @RadicalCenter
  16. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    My group, Keep Talking, was set up in 2010 in order to maintain a presence in London of the 9/11 Truth movement, following its rapid decline and in-fighting over allegations of ‘antisemitism’

    That is the MO of the Zionists and their Shabbos Goy flunkies. They don’t want to discuss the brutal Israeli Apartheid that is slowly killing off the native Palestinians, so they hurl baseless accusations at those brave enough to look behind the MSM curtain to see the horrible reality of what those fake Israeli Jews are doing. I say “fake” because DNA testing has shown the majority of Israeli’s proclaiming to be Jews are actually from Europe and their ancestors have NEVER been in Palestine.

    The Zionists have the anti-Semitism and holocaust denial verbal grenades in their arsenal, and don’t hesitate to hurl them at anyone who dare question their savagery.

    One would think a church would be immune to these attacks, but most churches know that to question Zionist orthodoxy is to risk stopping the flow of shekels to their churches.

    The Zionists also have a military arm, the JDL or Jewish Defense League, which has been labeled a terrorist group by the FBI for their attempted murders and killings, but still are able to operate in the USA with impunity, as one can see the Jew terrorists attacking people on the streets of DC while the cops look in the other direction.

  17. G. Poulin says:
    @AnonStarter

    The word “enemies” in Matthew 5 should be translated properly as “opponents”. Jesus is clearly not speaking about mortal enemies who want to kill you, but rather about people who engage in such petty offences as stealing your coat or slapping your cheek. The passage has no bearing on questions of ethnic conflict or other serious matters.

  18. Anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Disagree.

    National Cathedral created teams to conduct BLM “sensitivity trainings” where whites were called upon and emotionally manipulated to efface and demean themselves.

    In addition, Episcopal Diocese DC has allowed itself to become beholden to ADL and acted as ADL’s sheep-dog in herding Episcopal parishes as well as other denominations to shut down protest rallies in DC, actively suppressing free speech.

    An appearance by Peled is well in line with hasbara practice — Peled is used to demonstrate, See how open we are to criticism of Israel!
    Episcopal church DC goes as far as ADL permits. Would they permit a talk by David Irving?

  19. Herald says:
    @G. Poulin

    The word “enemies” in Matthew 5 should be translated properly as “opponents”. Jesus is clearly not speaking about mortal enemies who want to kill you, but rather about people who engage in such petty offences as stealing your coat or slapping your cheek.

    Very kind of you to tell us what the obviously confused Jesus had been trying to say. I’m sure, that watching from his lofty perch, he will be just as grateful to you as the rest of us.

  20. annamaria says:
    @Lot

    “A great nation” is a zionist toy supported by the mythology-loving banksters and religious fanatics.

    The obnoxious chosen have created a replica of Warsaw Ghetto in the Middle East to feel good about Jewish might. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/israel-50-years-occupation-abuses#

    At least five categories of major violations of international human rights law and humanitarian law characterize the [Israeli] occupation: unlawful killings; forced displacement; abusive detention; the closure of the Gaza Strip and other unjustified restrictions on movement; and the development of settlements, along with the accompanying discriminatory policies that disadvantage Palestinians. …

    Unlawful Killings & War Crimes
    Israeli troops killed well over 2,000 Palestinian civilians in the last three Gaza conflicts (2008-09, 2012, 2014) alone. Many of these attacks amount to violations of international humanitarian law due to a failure to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians. Some amount to war crimes, including the targeting of apparent civilian structures. …

    Illegal Settlements
    Israeli authorities have since 1967 facilitated the transfer of its civilians to the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention. …

    Forced Displacement
    Israeli authorities have expropriated thousands of acres of Palestinian land for settlements and their supporting infrastructure. …

    http://itisapartheid.org/Documents_pdf_etc/IsraelViolationsInternationalLaw.pdf

    The state of Israel has violated many international laws, including United Nations Resolutions and the Laws of War and Occupation as stated in the Fourth Geneva Convention.

    At the same time, the tribe of Sharon, Epstein, Wexner, Kohane, and ridiculous Bibi is always ready to quetch about incomparable Jewish sufferings, while making money by exploiting other peoples’ decency. See holo-biz.

    Would not it be great if Eretz Israel project never existed and the world never knew the “humanitarian interventions” waged there by the zionized politicians?

    • Agree: Druid
  21. @G. Poulin

    /Jesus is clearly not speaking about mortal enemies who want to kill you, but rather about people who engage in such petty offences as stealing your coat or slapping your cheek./

    In Jesus’s time, the Pharisees routinely inculcated in their community a demonstrably racist worldview, which explains his repeated condemnations of their hypocrisy and wickedness. The parable of the Good Samaritan is instructive in this regard, as Samaritans were then regarded as “impure” Jews. Jesus presented this figure as a protagonist deliberately, with the intent to shame his people.

    The Pharisees and their followers often saw goyim as both impure and inherently inimical to Jews (e.g. enemies). Jesus struggled to purify his people of this disposition in order to prepare them for a superior perspective, one in which all — not merely the House of Israel — would be able to enjoy the fruits of God’s Kingdom.

    That said, Jesus could have been speaking about mortal enemies who want to kill you, and there’s nothing in Matthew 5 that precludes that possibility.

  22. If you want to know who runs the UK have a look at this link: https://cst.org.uk/news/blog/2019/02/27/cst-annual-dinner-2019
    Each year our top politicians, police and judges are patted on the head and told what a good job they are doing for the “Jewish community”. The MC of this is obscene treasonous spectacle is non other than convicted fraudster, Gerald Ronson.

  23. Pelosi missed her chance to gush to her AIPAC contributors for sure.

  24. London Bridge is falling down
    Falling down, falling down
    London Bridge is falling down
    My fair lady…

    And here are two goys (goyim if you like) fighting over the Palestinians but don’t count on the queenie and her church because she knows that her sumptuous bread is buttered by the City of London and she doesn’t want the repeat of loss of one billion pounds (does anyone remember the Berrings Bank?). She knows the real sovereign when she sees one!

  25. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Don’t know about the others, but at the Presbyterian conference when Divestment was finally pushed to a favorable vote, a large number of Jews were in the hall twisting arms of Presbyterian voters. Presbyterians made several attempts over years to get this vote, and the final vote barely squeaked through.

    It was not a one-off that Jews make large appearances at Christian meetings; in this instance, Jews comply with New Testament: “Where two or three gentiles are gathered, there I, a Jew, will make an appearance in their midst.” I’ve been in meetings and conferences of Christians of various stripe from NYC to Richmond to Chicago to Orlando & places in between: somehow, a Jew is always in the midst. At one such meeting the Jew was there first, dominated the meeting, and — gawd help us, by the end of the meeting had the rest of the group kissing his feet.

    How many Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc. attend meetings of the Council of 52, or of AIPAC management, or even attend synagogue “services” (in scare quotes because from the little information I’ve gleaned, Jewish services are loaded with political exhortations).

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  26. Anonymous[246] • Disclaimer says:

    The C of E is not a real church. I’ve never met a devout English Christian who was a member of a C of E congregation, not that there are many devout English Christians for that matter but the few there are are mostly not C of E members.

    The C of E can be best described as a sort of elite social club for the upper middle to upper classes in rural areas of England in particular. It’s difficult to explain to foreigners who probably don’t have an equivalent in their own countries, but for the most part the activities of the C of E has very little to do with actual religion and much more to do with “Who’s who” in the village. Not many working class or lower middle class people would attend a C of E church, most wouldn’t feel they would be welcome, it’s seen as very “snobby”.

  27. @Colin Wright

    Oh to scrape and bow and kowtow to both Jews and Muslims! What a joy to be modern “Britons.”

    • Replies: @Z-man
  28. @anon

    Might they find time to focus on helping persecuted or merely impoverished Christians in the region as well? Perhaps they do. Would be glad to hear it.

    • Replies: @anon
  29. @AnonStarter

    Because many self-professed Christians, thankfully, just choose not to follow the material in the bible that seems absurd, self-destructive, or perverse.

    And there’s a wee bit of such material in there alright … amidst the abundant sound advice, prescient observations about human nature and the world, and moral and ethical rules that promote solid close families, harmony, peace, prosperity.

    Why? Because not all the twisted or ridiculous material in the Bible cannot be explained away by resort to “mistranslation” and “taken out of context”, despite the herculean efforts of its apologists.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  30. A123 says:

    There is a bit on the CoE from Yes Minister

    It is comedy, not documentary. But sometimes comedians can get away with saying things that would otherwise be sanctioned.

    PEACE 😇

  31. bcos says:

    “I regret that we inadvertently gave a platform, however small, to anyone whose words on the night, or reputation from the past, had the potential to cause offense…”

    Jesus “caused offense” to the rabbis/Pharisees of his time by speaking truth. Should he have shut up?
    Would this rector apologize to the rabbis for Jesus’ words, and de-platform him? What a complete coward, he isn’t strong enough to stand up for truth. Truth DOES hurt those who are spewing lies. Quit capitulating, weak rector.

  32. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @RadicalCenter

    How to understand your question? Do you mean Christians in the ME but outside Israel/Palestine?

  33. Harbinger says:

    The question, about this article, really should be – “who cares?”

    Let me remind you of the letter written by the Chief Rabbi of Spain (Chemor) to the Satraps of the Grand Sanhedrin of Constantinople, in 1492, when the Jews were faced with expulsion:

    “‘Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great a pain to hear it as yourselves.’

    The advice of the Elders of Zion is the following:

    1. As for what you say that the king of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.
    2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.
    3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christian’s lives.
    4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches. [emphasis mine]
    5. As for the other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.

    Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.
    ‘Prince of the Jews of Constantinople’

    (Julio-Inigrez de Medrano – ‘La Silva Curiosa’)
    (L. Fry, Waters Flowing Eastward: The War Against the Kingship of Christ. TBR Books, Washington, D. C., (2000), pp. 51-52)”
    https://cintayati.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/1492-letter-from-grand-sanhedrin/

    Let me also remind you of what General Cornwallis stated to General Washington upon the surrender of British forces to the US forces at Yorktown (Oct. 17, 1781):

    “Your churches will be used to teach the Jew’s religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses [emphasis mine], and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry.

    ‘LEGIONS OF SATAN’ by John Williams
    https://www.henrymakow.com/nwo_introduced_under_masonic_g.html,”

    There is nothing Christian about the Christian church, whatsoever. The fact that people think it still is run by Christians, proves just how ignorant people truly are. Every institution, in the west has been infiltrated and taken under the complete control of Jewry. The sooner people realise this, the sooner they can begin to take active measures to rectify the situation and remove the Jews, from their stranglehold over the west. It’s really that simple. “Know they enemy, know thyself” as Sun Tsu stated.

    The western peoples have been CONTINUALLY warned of what would happen if they allow Jews influence and power. They ignored them and it’s no wonder the western civilisation is the way it is and on its way to imminent collapse, civil war and massive bloodshed. The west has cast out goodness and exchanged it for evil. Stupid is what stupid does and they will pay a heavy price for doing so, most with their lives.

  34. Mr. Grey says:

    The Palestinians chose violence starting in the 1920’s to drive the Jews into the sea. Wars have consequences.

  35. Polemos says:
    @G. Poulin

    Do you smile at how clever you are? 🙂

  36. @anonymous

    The central question remains:

    Why do White men allow these people in their lands?

    • Replies: @Wally
  37. @Anonymous

    Dear, dear racist person, do you know anything about “Karma?”

  38. It is so ridiculous. After six thousand years still all word is preoccupied with the fight for that shitty
    little peace of land.
    Lets get rid of this preoccupation. Lets nuke the place to smithereens with Palestinians and Jews altogether, and make it inhabitable for the rest of times of this earth.

    • Replies: @The Shadow
  39. skopros says:

    What an incredible, pathetic surfeit of words over a subject for which spineless, hand-wringing goyim respond to implacable zio-nazis…I have heard two of Peled’s talks, both laudable, eminently fair & empathetic; he is indeed an honorable man. Peled and his father are testaments to ideals Israel has abandoned. When can we stop whining that the zionist schoolyard bully is “unfair” and just kick him in the nuts?

    • Agree: Fool's Paradise
  40. Blake says:

    Jonathan Hoffman – the rabid zionist in the image – has a criminal record for public offence harassment and disorder. He also has a restraining order against 3 people. An assault charge was dropped only because he pleaded guilty to the above. You may mention that in your next letter.

  41. Kiel says:
    @Anonymous

    You may enjoy:

    Yes, it’s written by the usual suspects, but it does a wonderful job of dismantling the bullshit of the Old Testament and its ‘god’ piece by piece, based on the archaeological evidence contrasted with the text.

    I’ve been awake for 30 years, but it took this (and actually reading the Old Testament in sequence), to begin deprogram myself of the brainwashing of my youth.

    Is there a loving God? I hope so, but I’ve never had a burning bush experience, so I don’t know. What I do know is the ‘god’ of that book (much less his faux chosen) aren’t worth a shit.

    • Replies: @Alden
  42. Cowardice is what empowers organized Jewry.

    I am no fan of the British politician George Galloway but he didn’t back down when he was hauled before the U.S. Senate in 2005 over Iraq. Galloway actually humiliated Senator Norman Coleman (Goldman).

    • Replies: @Saggy
  43. Alden says:

    OT

    Dr Michael Baden foremost forensic autopsy expert is on Fox News right now. He claims Epstein’s injuries consistent with homicide not suicide. He notes 3 homicide consistent fractures. Left and right side of the larynx and fractured hyoid bone under the tongue.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  44. Alden says:
    @Mr. Grey

    The Palestinians chose to drive the invaders out. Read Zionist history. The Zionists invaded under the cover of, and with massive military support of the then most powerful British Empire. Even the most rabidly racist Zionists admit it was British troops and British Colonial administrators that secured Palestine for the Bolshevik Jews.

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
  45. Mr. Grey says:
    @Alden

    Up through the 1920s and later, no Jews invaded or conquered anyone. They bought land from landowners- Ottomans and local Arabs. The British didn’t secure anything, they only created the idea of the nation of Palestine, which was what the British called their part of Syria and it included present-day Jordan. The Arabs saw the whole area as Syria and identified as muslims and arabs, not as a nation. They had little tolerance for non-muslims, especially Jews who were growing in numbers and chose to wage war against them, rejecting a deal by the British in 1939 which would have guaranteed a Palestinian nation. Wars have consequences.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
    , @DaveE
  46. Miko Peled, a Man of Honor, and the Zionist Israel Lobby is a Bunch of Cons

    What Ian Fantom describes in his article about the speech by Miko Peled, an Israeli who expresses empathy about the oppressed Palestinians, has become the norm in Europe, not to speak of the U. S. His book, The General’s Son, made headlines. The German Protestant Church behaves as shameful as the Church of England.
    The honorable Jeremy Corbyn is a case in point whose support for Palestine or other suppressed peoples made him a scapegoat of the wicked Israel Lobby.
    In Germany, we experience the same phenomenon. German or Israeli Jews who the Zionist Israel Lobby doesn’t like are slandered as “anti-Semites” self-hating Jews” or even “Nazis.” This infamous Israel Lobby puts pressure on the government at all levels or organizers not to rent or revoke the already rented rooms for these Jews.
    The German publisher (The Semite) and author, Abraham Melzer, can tell you a thing or two about it. Melzer published the book “Die Antisemitenmacher” (The Anti-Semitic Doer), describing how the Israel Lobby and their German willing executioners (Philo-Semites) fabricate Anti-Semitism or Anti-Semites. It is also impossible to get a room for Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, or even Rolf Verleger, who once belonged to the Central Council of Jews in Germany till he was mobbed out from this right-wing organization.
    The worst sort of the Zionist lobbyists is Charlotte Knobloch, the 87-year-old President of the Jewish Religious Community of Munich and Upper Bavaria. She holds this post since 1985. Behind the scene, she puts pressure on the City Council of Munich or other organizations to block all lecturers who are supposed to be critical of the Zionist regime or support the BDS movement. To support BDS in anathema in Germany!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  47. Harbinger says:
    @Mr. Grey

    Up until the rise of Herzl Zionism (Zionism has always been around), Jews lived in peace with Palestinians, Muslims and Christians alike. When the Ashkenazi, the Eastern European Jews started moving en mass into Palestine was when the trouble began. The Jews created the violence. The Palestinians merely acted towards the threat of invasion upon their land. Your reply either shows you to be one of the many indoctrinated, of Jewish propaganda or a hasbara troll.

    • Replies: @Alden
  48. @G. Poulin

    The word [] in [] should be translated properly as [].

    This hackneyed trope again. I’m more than happy to start down that road, so long as the process doesn’t stop when shit starts to get messy … like when you get to ‘almah‘ (עַלְמָה→ παρθένος? Yeah, nope.)

    Which words would you replace in

    he that hath no sword, let him sell his garments, and buy one

    Let me guess…

    The word “sword” in Luke 22:36 should be translated properly as “flowers”.

    I’m tempted to post some lengthy bit of Deuteronomy and Joshua to see how the process would work for the bits where the invisible Sky Maniac appears to exhort his Chosen to commit genocide … you know, stuff like –

    But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth…

    But of course the trope-y pat answer there is “We got a mulligan on the OT because Jesus“… in which case

    The words “Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” in Matthew 5:18 should be translated properly as “Just look at the whole shebang as a pick’n’mix – pick the bits you like, and fuck the rest, amirite?.”

    That’s how you get to a situation where the stupid story about an Invisible Sky Maniac is the source of the land title to Palestine, but for some reason nobody’s required to “stone their disobedient children to death with stones”.

    • Replies: @Nick Kollerstrom
  49. Z-man says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Sad but true and another embarrassment for the Church of England. But the power of the Cabal is more pernicious than the power of the Muslim rabble.

  50. Mr. Grey says:

    Yes Jews and Christians lived as second-class citizens under the Caliphate, and had to be quiet to survive in their conquered homeland. Are you seriously claiming that Jews created the violence, when they were a minority amongst an Arab muslim population and a hostile Ottoman government? Calling me indoctrinated or a troll is a pretty weak way to argue your point. Present your facts or go read up on the subject matter.

  51. Harbinger says:
    @Mr. Grey

    You are clearly a Zionist troll. I have read up on the subject matter. I never get involved in discussions I am ignorant on. You, to quote Mel Gibson, “have a dog in this fight”.
    Now, let’s get real here shall we?
    Ever heard of the Haganah?
    What about the offshoot Irgun?
    What about the Lehi, also known as the Stern Gang?

    Seriously, I strongly suggest you don’t continue with your diatribe of Zionist propaganda. The trouble started in Palestine when Polish, Russian and other Jews, from Europe (ancestry from Khazaria) piled into Palestine and started colonising the country. The fact that the Palestinians and other Islamic nations had no doubt cottoned onto the fact that the World Zionist Congress was planning to take Palestine, kick out the Palestinians and make it a homeland for invading Jews, obviously got their heckles up. And of course, they were right. All one has to do is look at the difference between Palestine in 1920 and 100 years later.
    Again, the Jews INVADED Palestine, murdered the inhabitants, murdered the British who were the controlling power and set about stealing it for themselves as an invading force, with no rights, whatsoever to that land.

    I’m not going to suggest anything else to you, because you’re clearly a Jew, who just like other Jews on this forum, will flat out deny the truth being told to them.
    The Jews have no right to Palestine, whatsoever.
    The Balfour Declaration is an unlawful and illegal piece of paper that needs to be destroyed.
    The majority of Jews in Palestine have absolutely no right being there, whatsoever.
    Only die hard, Zionists, arrogant, deceitful people like you believe otherwise.

    Best solution for Israel – move the non Jews out, about 50 miles in radius and then drop a couple of nukes on the place. Turn the whole place into a crater. As for the dead Jews? Well, as far as I’m concerned, 6 million Jews aren’t worth a Palestinian’s fingernail.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @The Shadow
    , @Mr. Grey
    , @Anon
  52. @Ludwig Watzal

    No worries, once the MUSLIMS in Germany grow sufficiently numerous, they will successfully demand that German governments and corporations boycott and sanction Israel. One of the only good things likely to come out of the Islamic colonization of Europe.

    Moreover, sadly, BDS may no longer be the biggest concern of Israelis, or Jewish people in the forthcoming Islamic “Europe.”

  53. @RadicalCenter

    That Barbara Spectre woman was espousing multiculturalism run by Jews!

  54. @Harbinger

    Bravo, some facts in a sea of Hasbara waffle!

  55. Wally says:
    @Lot

    LOL

    “That shitty little country” wouldn’t last a week without US taxpayers cash.*

    “We reached the [Balfour] Declaration not by miracles, but through persistent propaganda, through unceasing demonstration of the life force of our people. We told the responsible authorities: We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not. You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.”

    – World Zionist leader [1st President of Israël] Chaim Weizmann, speech in Jerusalem, December 1919.

    * The True Cost of Parasite Israel, Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    America or Israel? Quislings in Congress and the Media need to decide which comes first:
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/america-or-israel/

    Israel First or America First, Pat Buchanan: http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/israel-first-or-america-first/

  56. Alden says:
    @Kiel

    The OT. All it took for me was a few months of Sunday school at age 6 or 7. Cain kills Abel for no good reason, some sort of temper tantrum. Then Abraham, the original dead beat Dad kicks his baby boy Ishmael and the mother, the raped slavery Hagar out into the desert to die.

    Then Abraham hears a voice telling him to kill his other son Issac. Before he did the deed another voice in his head tells him not to kill the son. Strange voices from nowhere are signs of schizophrenia.

    Kill all the baby and toddler boys of the entire country of Egypt. Rob the treasury of Egypt and embark on a40 year killing spree of amakelites people of Jericho Assyrians Canaanites philistines/Palestine’s everybody within 800 miles.

    Note the Phoenicians Philistines Palestinians are the same people. Going by the Jewish bible, the Cannanites and philistines were there first.

    Recent DNA research of Lebanese, Syrians and Palestines has proved they have the same DNA as 40,000 year old corpses who had enough tissue left to obtain DNA samples.

    And, there is no archeological evidence whatsoever that any of the Jewish bible events happened. And the Zionists worship a Roman retaining wall built around 10 AD to strengthen the plateau on which the city administrative, commercial and religious district was built

    In an area with voluminous written records, there is no evidence at all the Jews ever lived in Egypt as slaves, killed every Egyptian baby and toddler boy looted the treasury and escaped with the army after them. No Sumerian Mesopotamia records either

    Too bad Christianity didn’t stick to it’s Zoroastrian, Manichaeism and Mithraism roots instead of the story of Jesus Christ.

    • Replies: @Kiel
  57. Harbinger says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “Moreover, sadly, BDS may no longer be the biggest concern of Israelis, or Jewish people in the forthcoming Islamic “Europe.””

    WW1 couldn’t move the Jews out of Europe.
    WW2 also couldn’t move the Jews out of Europe.
    Both wars were created, amongst other reasons, to move Jews out of Europe.
    Now, the Zionists realise the only way they’re going to make Jews leave Europe is to turn it into a constant war zone, destroy the indigenous who created laws to protect peoples and turn it into a combination of a caliphate and a communist state.
    And while this is all going on, Zionists are busy invading Islamic lands to bring about the needed lands for the creation of Greater Israel and their future world government there. I should no doubt imagine that Israel will, by that time, be rather cosy with China, who will most certainly be a super-power by then, courtesy of Jews destroying the US through their proxy wars with Islam. Israel will continually look to China to keep the peace, by successfully having turned the west into the new boogeyman, that threatens world peace.
    Greater Israel is being built to house Jews living in the soon-to-be demolished western civilisation.

  58. Wally says:
    @Bill Jones

    “Why do White men allow these people in their lands?”

    Simple.

    The fake ‘holocau$t’ is what enables all of this. The preposterous narrative was invented for this purpose and to extract trillions of dollars for Jews Only.

    The scientifically impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ nonsense silences white gentiles and enables Jews & their leftists to push their violence inciting hatred down everyone’s throat.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @NobodyKnowsImADog
  59. Alden says:
    @Mr. Grey

    Straight out of the Leon Uris novel Exodus. It’s a nice fictions story. But fiction nevertheless.

    Gone With The Wind, a novel about the American Civil War is much more historically accurate than Exodus.

    We at UNZ have been reading and hearing your points and lies since high school. Best that you join ADL and give presentations at some interfaith BS session at the local Jewish community center.

    I am offended that you expect me to believe your nonsense I’ve heard a thousand times before.

  60. Mr. Grey says:
    @Harbinger

    I actually have zero jewish ancestry, all 100% Euro, mostly British and Slavic. I get it though, you hate Jews and this informs your thinking. So you are saying during the Ottoman Empire, from roughly 1880-1918, the Jews invaded and murdered Arabs? How did this occur? Jews purchased land from landowners, Arab and Ottoman Turk- there was no way they had the numbers or military to invade. Stop reading my mind as to my intentions and read some history.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
    , @AnonStarter
  61. Alden says:
    @Harbinger

    Mr Grey’s just a brain washed Jew who thinks we dumpkopf goyim will believe him because he’s an oh soo superior Jew.

  62. renfro says:
    @Mr. Grey

    Present your facts or go read up on the subject maitter

    Stupidity has consequences
    You have no facts, just the typical zio troll making hot air statements with no creditable sources or backup.

    *For any interested in the ME history …instead of ordering the books below you can go to the Britsh National Archives online and order reports on whatever subjects interest you and they will email you the link to them for a small charge. …well worth it to see what was actually happening on the ground in any country at any given time.

    Minorities in the Middle East
    Jewish Communities in Arab Countries 1841–1974
    https://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/archive-editions/history/middle-east-history/minorities-middle-east-jewish-communities-arab-countries-18411974?format=WX

    This group of six volumes covers the arrangements and conditions for Jewish communities living under Islam, throughout the Arab world, from 1840 to 1974. The situation of Jewish communities has varied according to the country of habitation and the particular time period although it is thought generally to have deteriorated from 1800 with the decline of the Ottoman Empire. Up to 1948 more than a million Jews lived in the Muslim countries of the Middle East. By 1992, excluding the non-Arab states of Turkey and Iran, the number was only c. 20,000

    Minorities in the Middle East
    Christian Minorities 1838–1967
    10 Volume Hardback Set
    https://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/archive-editions/history/middle-east-

    history/minorities-middle-east-christian-minorities-18381967?format=WX
    Minorities in the Middle East ‘
    Treatment of ethic minorities is a key concern in international politics Shows how ethnicity crosses physical and state boundaries over the past 150 years Covers Christian minorities in the Arab Middle East, Turkey and Iran.

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
  63. Alden says:
    @Mr. Grey

    The Jews of Amsterdam conquered England in 1688, drive out the King of England, put their puppets William 3 and Mary on the throne, and a year later took over the finances of England

    They had 40,000 Dutch soldiers and 20,000 Dutch sailors under their command. The Jews of Amsterdam used several highly placed English traitors to convince the English nobility and Gentry to keep their armies at home.

    England has no standing army under command of the sovereign at the time. Unlike most countries, England still used the out dated medieval system of aristocratic and Gentry private armies at the time.

    Using the Dutch army and navy to conquer England was a conquest similar to the way the Zionists conquered Palestine using the English in the early 20 th century.

    Puleeeze. Your middle school comments are just out of place here.

  64. Blake says:

    This comes at a time when the American Branch of the Church of England (Episcopalian Church) has approved BDS as has the South African branch (The Anglican Church).

  65. Mr. Grey says:
    @renfro

    Throwing out some links isn’t much of an argument, which is basically calling me a zionist troll. How woke of you. I will be happy to read something about how Jews invaded the Ottoman Empire and ethnically cleansed Arab lands before WWI. One factoid I will offer (again), is that Jews purchased land legally from Arab and Ottoman landowners. There was resistance from local Arabs because they couldn’t stomach the idea of a large Jewish population that couldn’t be relegated to 2nd class status.

    • Troll: renfro
    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Antares
    , @Alden
  66. @Mr. Grey

    Mr Grey. Who was it that introduced car and bus bombs to the ME? Who was using 12 year old schoolgirls as suicide bombers, who was using acid attacks to persuade non Zionists to the cause? Hagana, Jews!
    Historical documents will always win over jaundiced hysteria.

  67. The Israel lobby believes Palestinians can make astonishingly dramatic improvements in their personal character, simply by moving to Western countries.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Z-man
  68. Harbinger says:
    @Mr. Grey

    Oh geez…..

    Yep, I saw that Zionist propaganda film on YT as well. You know, believe it or not, when I used to write on my then blog, back in 2007 named ‘The Destruction of Britain’, under the pseudonym ‘Winston the Smithy’, which predominantly ripped apart the msm’s propaganda, I used to actually be a supporter of the Israeli state.
    Why?
    Because I, like the overwhelmingly majority of Britons (and westerners) believed the lies, we’d been fed all of our lives on Jews and Judaism. I had a lot of Jewish followers of my website. It wasn’t that I hated Islam, but I saw the threat that Islam posed towards the people of Britain and the rest of the western civilisation. It was then, however I asked the simple question: “if we are at war with Islam and it poses such a deadly threat to the stability of the west, who on earth is letting them in?” I then sadly discovered the overwhelming truth that Jews were. Forget about the label of Zionist Jews and Jews as they’re all the same and I found that out after more research.

    Sadly, this woke me up. I found out the truth. This then led me to go back into history, every major event of this and the last century and further. It led me to understand what Judaism was really all about and I was utterly shocked at my discovery.
    At the start of the process, I wrote a piece on my blog calling out the Jews and instantly, the Zionist Jews attacked, saying I’d got it all wrong, but the bottom line was simple – I’d just smashed the mirrors, blown away the smoke and ripped down the facade that Jews had created to deceive, something I learned, they’d turned into an art-form.
    Not long after, with quite a large following, my blog was deleted from Blogger. I’d hit the truth and I wasn’t allowed to post no more.
    I then became Harbinger and began ‘Harbinger’s Journal’ and this went into even more depth at Jewish deception and destruction of the west. I gained a lot of followers and this blog, too, was shut down by blogger. That was my last blog, some 9 years ago now.

    You’re probably wondering why I’ve just written all the aforementioned. I’ve written it for one reason and that is to make you realise that I, was where you were at 12 years ago. I was seeing the rise of Islam. I was seeing what they were wanting me to see. I was panicking at all the fires (Islam) all around me and ignoring who was starting the fires – Jews.
    You have swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker. You see Jews how they want to see you, not how they are. You are one of the public shouting at how wonderful the emperor’s new clothes are.

    If you truly want to understand the truth, you’ll search for it. You’ll dig deep and deeper and deeper still and you will uncover the truth, the Jews want to remain hidden.

    The Jews INVADED Palestine. They may have purchased land, they may not have, but regardless it’s irrelevant. They had already decided, in Europe, that Palestine was to become their land, that they would colonise Palestine, section of a part and call it Israel. That they would name Jerusalem their capital, knock down the Al Aqsa mosque and build their Greater Israel between the Nile and the Euphrates, as their flag depicts. This was their plan from the beginning. They wanted know peaceful co-existence with the Muslims, the Christians and other religions. They wanted the land for Jews and Jews only.
    When you wake up you’ll understand this. It’s entirely up to you. The truth is out there and it’s not the truth you believe to be the truth. There is the truth and there are Jew lies. You live in the world of Jew lies and your enemies are the enemies of the Jews. And that is why your nations are ending, your civilisation is being destroyed and your race becoming extinct.
    Know the truth and truth shall set you free, or continue as you are, promoting the lies you do and watch as you, your civilisation and race become nothing more than a memory, in the mind of the Jew, as he gives a wry smile at how successfully they destroyed it all, destroyed it by completely indoctrinating people like you to believe their lies.

  69. renfro says:
    @Mr. Grey

    You are a factfree troll.

    There was resistance from local Arabs because they couldn’t stomach the idea of a large Jewish population that couldn’t be relegated to 2nd class status.

    How far sighted of them…..we Americans , having had no experience with Jews before the 20th century are now seeing why we shouldn’t stomach a large Jewish population either.

    99.99% of the universe despises you, its silly to ask when will you ever learn…..you’ll never learn so there’s another big fall awaiting you.

  70. Saggy says: • Website
    @Amerimutt Golems

    Great vid. Unfortunately we’re all anonymous cowards, and even Galloway bows to the holohoax.

    • Replies: @anon
  71. lavoisier says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    Moreover, sadly, BDS may no longer be the biggest concern of Israelis, or Jewish people in the forthcoming Islamic “Europe.”

    This is true and the alarm bells are sounding throughout the Jewish world. Muslims are unlikely to be as easily silenced given their strong religious faith and general solidarity with each other.

    The well known but misguided Jewish push for massive third world immigration into Western nations is not only going to harm the Gentile, it will also harm the Jew.

    Jewish control of the host population has likely reached its zenith in the West.

  72. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:

    Considering that Anglos have been the most loyal servants of jewish power for over 200 years, I can’t help but laugh at the current dystopian state of the UK where they are now a third world island dominated by blacks and Muslims. I’m pretty sure nationalistic Germans and Russians feel no sympathy for you jew and money worshipping Anglo cucks, after constant attempts at sabotaging powerful continental rivals.

  73. 4justice says:
    @Mr. Grey

    Too bad Palestinian Christians and Muslims are not allowed to simply be quiet and live in ’48 Israel or Occupied Palestine. They continue to pushed off their land, have their crops ruined, their children arrested, face all manner of torture and even organ harvesting of their martyrs and have their homes demolished whether they speak out or not. The village of Deir Yasin was targeted for massacre by Jewish terrorists precisely for its peaceful cooperative reputation as part of the carefully planned genocide meant to found Israel on the emptied houses and lands of Palestinians. I know we are not supposed to learn these historical facts, but the truth has gotten out, Mr. Grey. You will not be able to keep covering over all of the lies about Israel’s founding and nature. The truth has gotten out. Better luck next time.

  74. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Saggy

    No longer anonymous my friend. They know who we all are, despite our cute little online names.

  75. @RadicalCenter

    /Because many self-professed Christians, thankfully, just choose not to follow the material in the bible that seems absurd, self-destructive, or perverse./

    Well, I was referring specifically to Lot’s snarky comment about Miko Peled’s characteristically “Christian” journey to understand the rationale of those who killed his sister rather than retaliate in kind. I suppose I could conclude that Peled is pursuing an “absurd, self-destructive, or perverse” course, but I’m confident his outlook is a far cry more effective in promoting harmony and peace than is that of your garden variety zionist.

    Loving one’s enemies doesn’t necessitate giving them the gun with which to kill you, but it certainly wouldn’t prevent you from treating them as human beings — a perception that was clearly alien to the lost sheep of Israel whom Jesus addressed.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  76. @Mr. Grey

    /The Palestinians chose violence starting in the 1920’s/

    Actually, Jewish immigrants were inciting violence against Palestinians as early as the late nineteenth century. In 1898, Ahad Ha’am, the founder of cultural zionism, wrote:

    We must surely learn, from both our past and present history, how careful we must be not to provoke the anger of the native people by doing them wrong, how we should be cautious in our dealings with a foreign people among whom we returned to live, to handle these people with love and respect and, needless to say, with justice and good judgment. And what do our brothers do? Exactly the opposite! They were slaves in their Diasporas, and suddenly they find themselves with unlimited freedom, wild freedom that only a country like Turkey [the Ottoman Empire] can offer. This sudden change has planted despotic tendencies in their hearts, as always happens to former slaves [‘eved ki yimlokh – when a slave becomes king – Proverbs 30:22]. They deal with the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly, beat them shamefully for no sufficient reason, and even boast about their actions. There is no one to stop the flood and put an end to this despicable and dangerous tendency. …

    So much for that hasbara.

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
  77. Mr. Grey says:
    @Curmudgeon

    This article doesn’t follow that narrative:
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-this-day-zionism-s-first-political-assassination-1.5288744

    I disagree. Of course there were hardline Zionists. There were jews who tried to work with the Arabs and their were hardliners who believed the Arabs would never accept the Jews. But it all stems from the intolerance of Islam. By the time of this article, 1924, the Arabs were already attempting to drive out the Jews, which escalated into the 1930’s.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
    , @Alden
  78. @Mr. Grey

    /I actually have zero jewish ancestry, all 100% Euro, mostly British and Slavic./

    We get this a lot around here: fellas who walk, talk, and quack like zionists, yet profess to be non-Jews.

    You’ll fit right in with the rest of them, no doubt.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
  79. Kiel says:
    @Alden

    You got there before me, but at least I made it. I was sent to Christian school, an hour of religion everyday, an hour of chapel on Friday, church & Sunday School on Sunday, and lots of homework – it takes a bit of doing for some of us to finally surface for air. I always wondered why we skipped around the Bible so much in class. It was apparently to miss the stories for which there are NO apologetics. I shoved it all to the back burner for a few decades, thinking that with so much classroom time, I’d actually read the damn thing.

    . . . better late then never, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Alden
  80. annamaria says:
    @Mr. Grey

    “Are you seriously claiming that Jews created the violence…?”

    — What are you trying to imply — that Jews are not able to be violent? Then you missed the story of the Bolshevik Revolution/GULAG in Russia and the role of Jews in the mass slaughter of the native populations.

  81. Antares says:
    @Mr. Grey

    One factoid I will offer (again), is that Jews purchased land legally from Arab and Ottoman landowners.

    If you buy a piece of land in my country than it is still my country. You can’t raise your own flag and found a ministery of defence, a ministery of foreign affairs, a ministery of justice and, finally, a ministery of hasbara to make it all look good.

  82. Harbinger says:
    @Mr. Grey

    “I disagree. Of course there were hardline Zionists. There were jews who tried to work with the Arabs and their were hardliners who believed the Arabs would never accept the Jews. But it all stems from the intolerance of Islam. By the time of this article, 1924, the Arabs were already attempting to drive out the Jews, which escalated into the 1930’s.”

    It appears you like to just pick and choose what you want to believe doesn’t it? You haven’t bothered answering, or trying to refute (because you can’t as it’s not possible) anything that I’ve written.
    The Jews had been living in Palestine for hundreds of years, since their return from Babylon after exile. There were no problems. They just got on with it. Then along come the KIKELS, that is the Jews who lived in Europe, of the Ashkenazi, who decided – “we’ll invade and colonise Palestine and create our Israel.”
    You are just so incredibly indoctrinated that you will not see past your hatred of Islam. It’s understandable. You’re a nationalist, seeing your country being invaded by Muslims, who talk of it coming under Sharia Law and they won’t be stopped. Your anger is in every nationalist in the west. But what you COMPLETELY fail to see is that the Jews you so love and respect, fighting the war against the Muslims in Palestine, have DELIBERATELY created the problem there and worse, brought THEIR war into your lands.
    If you really wish to find out the truth, stay the heck away from Robert Spencer’s ‘Jihad Watch’, Pamela Gellar’s ‘Atlas Wept’, David Horowitz’s ‘Front Page’, Daniel Pipes’ ‘Middle East Quarterly’ and a host of other Zionist, anti Muslim websites. I know, I used to read them. I thought they spoke the truth. Their job is to stir up hatred for Muslims and support for Israel. Your problems in the west are for one reason and one reason only – JEWS!

    And as for Jews, read some E Michael Jones. He’ll tell you all about ‘The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit’ in his book of the same name. He’ll tell you how they’ve been behind every turmoil and upheaval in the west throughout the last millennium and that they been revolutionaries since Calgary and the execution of Christ, when they chose Barabas. You really are utterly indoctrinated by Jewish propaganda. Yes, Islam is a threat, I won’t deny that, but the Jews are 100% responsible for their presence in the west and the subsequent demolition of it throughout the last three and half centuries!

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
  83. @Alden

    Dr Michael Baden foremost forensic autopsy expert is on Fox News right now. He claims Epstein’s injuries consistent with homicide not suicide.

    Mr. Baden also believes in JFK’s magic bullet theory…

    No pictures of Epstain’s body on an autopsy table? No DNA samples proving beyond reasonable doubt the body is indeed that of Epstain? Malfunctioning CCTV cameras aimed at Epstain’s cell?

    Still an open case [imho].

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Alden
  84. anarchyst says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Betcha it wasn’t epstein’s body that Baden autopsied. It was probably some poor “schmuck” prisoner with no family or relatives.
    epstein is in israel, having plastic surgery and living in tel aviv…

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Daniel Rich
  85. Alden says:
    @Mr. Grey

    Good for the Arabs. That’s what people do to invaders.

    Celtic French resisted first the Romans, then the German Franks. Celtic British resisted first the Romans then the Angles and Saxons. Christian Spain resisted the Muslim and Jewish invaders for 800 years. American Indians resisted the European invaders.

    Every nation, and tribe on earth resists invaders.

    Read the Jewish bible.

    Jews only ruled Palestine for about 150 years, 1,000 BC to 850BC . That is not any historic claim. Before that it belonged to the Canaanites. After about 850BC it belonged to Assyria, then Babylonia, then Greece, then the western Roman Empire, then the eastern Roman Empire Byzantium, and from about 650AD to 1922 AD belonged to various Muslims, first Arabs then Seljuk then Ottoman Turks.

    1918 WW1 ended. 1922 Turkish administrators left and English administrators moved in.

    150 out of 3,00o years is nothing.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Lot
  86. Alden says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Baden’s an old publicity hound; a celebrity coroner LOL. That’s what he said on Fox today. Who knows?

  87. Alden says:
    @anarchyst

    I believe Baden just reads autopsy reports and makes conclusions from what he read.

  88. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    When no-one who’s supposed to have your back, stand beside you, be a supporter of yours, and see you as an in-group with shared interests does any co-operation; when actually they join opponents to sink you… what is left to do except apologize?

  89. Alden says:
    @Mr. Grey

    Jews purchased land. BFD. About 30% or more of the real estate in my home town is owned by Chinese both non citizen, citizen and overseas Chinese. That doesn’t make it part of China.

    You need to meet some of the Mizrahi jews who’ve immigrated to America because in Palestine they’re treated as badly and discriminated against as much by the Russians and German jews as the Palestinians are.

  90. Mr. Grey says:
    @AnonStarter

    Actually, Jewish immigrants were inciting violence against Palestinians as early as the late nineteenth century.

    The quote refers to individuals causing trouble with the local Arab population. Ahad Ha’am was worried about it precisely because the Jews were a small minority surrounded by hostile muslims and ruled by a unfriendly Ottoman government. He was frightened to provoke the Arabs into more violence than they had already experienced.

  91. DaveE says:
    @Mr. Grey

    Even if, for the sake of argument, an idiot is dumb enough to accept that Palestine was legally purchased by Jews (only VERY slightly true, the Jewish National Fund was a Rothschild scam-on-a-scam-on-top-of-total-fraud) it still papers over the Jewish crime of hijacking the banking system of almost every Western country. We Goyim can’t take a dump without an interest payment going to the Diabolical Jew Usury Machine. Let alone buy entire countries………

    Yeah, that’s Jewish Genius, I know, I know……..

    The Most Brilliant and Diabolical Ethnic Mafia of all time. I’ll give you that.

  92. Mr. Grey says:
    @Harbinger

    There were no problems. They just got on with it. Then along come the KIKELS, that is the Jews who lived in Europe, of the Ashkenazi, who decided – “we’ll invade and colonise Palestine and create our Israel.”

    I like how you capitalize words for dramatic effect. Yes Jews just got on with it, living under the boot of Islam. Nothing more to say here. You’re right that I’m not into the “blame Jews for everything” thinking.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  93. @Alden

    ‘…Jews only ruled Palestine for about 150 years, 1,000 BC to 850BC …’

    Jews didn’t exist in 1000 BC to 850 BC.

    A group recognizable as Jews begins to appear around 500 BC — arguably.

    • Agree: Kiel
    • Replies: @Alden
  94. @anarchyst

    Betcha it wasn’t epstein’s body that Baden autopsied. It was probably some poor “schmuck” prisoner with no family or relatives. epstein is in israel, having plastic surgery and living in tel aviv…

    If/when possible, I prefer to draw conclusions based on verifiable evidence.

    Given the lack thereof, I have two options:

    1) Speculate

    2) Disbelieve

    In this case, I disbelieve the nonsense I’m told [based on the lack of verifiable evidence], but don’t speculate on Epstain’s whereabouts, as they are [up till now] unverifiable possibilities/speculations.

    However, this case, like too many others, stinks to high heaven.

  95. @Mr. Grey

    ” a unfriendly Ottoman government. He was frightened to provoke the Arabs into more violence than they had already experienced.”

    That may have been true of Ahad Ha’am, who never lived in Palestine but only visited and reported on his visits — often glumly:

    They reported on hunger, on Arab dissatisfaction and unrest, on unemployment, and on people leaving Palestine. In an essay soon after his 1891 journey to the area he warned against the ‘great error’, noticeable among Jewish settlers, of treating the fellahin with contempt, of regarding ‘all Arabs a(s) savages of the desert, a people similar to a donkey’.

    Arthur Ruppin actually lived in Palestine; in fact, by 1910 Ruppin had arranged for the construction of Tel Aviv nearby to Arab ports at Jaffa,

    “to create a market for the agriculture produce of the Jewish agriculture sector, and would also divert the flow of capital from the Arabs of Jaffa (who profited from the rent of apartments), into Jewish hands” [Etan Bloom; Arthur Ruppin and the Production of Hebrew Culture]

    Why ever were nasty Islamic Arabs so pissy toward those nice Jews, who only wanted to undermine their long-established ways of earning a living and in other ways treat them with contempt.

    But it all stems from the intolerance of Islam.”

    • Agree: chris
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  96. Harbinger says:
    @Mr. Grey

    The Jew, projects their wrong onto others. This is what they’ve done since time immemorial. I capitalised the word ‘kikel’ on purpose.
    Do you know why Jews of Khazaria are called kikes?
    When the Jews, came over the US and landed in the Port Authority, they were of course, like all immigrants checked for diseases and told to sign documents upon entry into the US. The definition, really, of one who calls themself Jew, is one who hates Jesus Christ. There’s really no arguing this, whatsoever. Anyway, when they were asked to sign their name, on the paper, because many couldn’t read or write, they were told to mark the paper with a cross. However, that was such an affront to them, because to them it signified Jesus Christ, they signed, instead, with a circle. Circle in Yiddish, their language, is KIKEL. So with all the Jews, signing their name with a circle, they were referred to, obviously as kikels – circles. They created that name through their actions. It was their showing of their hatred for Christ and Christianity and yet, even after this, the Christians allowed them into their lands.

    I have argued my point, in every reply to you. I have tried to help you understand the reality, by stating that I was exactly where you are today, 12 years ago. I did go on a ‘Stop the Islamisation of the UK’ march. I was with fellow Jews. I did laugh and have a joke and attack Islam, believing in the right for Israel to exist – BECAUSE I BELIEVED ALL THE PROPAGANDA THAT I’D READ!

    This is your reality. You are angry due to your country changing because of Islamic immigration. Yes, I want them out. I want only a very small percentage to remain, that is those who respect Britain, her people and her cultures and choose to contribute to society instead of turn it into part of the Ummah. However, unlike you, I chose to educate myself as to why Muslims were continuing to pile into the UK and there was no attempts to quell the massive onslaught of immigration.

    And you are not into the ‘blame Jews for everything’ train of thought because you are utterly ignorant to Judaism and Jewry, due to believing the propaganda you’ve been fed all of your life. I know. I was there, where you are. I know how easily it is to miss the wood for the trees. However you can understand the reality if you only begin to look outside the box, instead of continuing to look in. Jews want you to parrot their lies. They want you to fight their wars. They want you to die. They don’t care one hoot for you, your nation, your civilisation and your race. They want you gone. They want this earth for themselves and enough non Jews left over to be their slaves. Again, all of this is documented in their religious texts. The Jew is not what you think he/she is.

  97. @Mr. Grey

    /Ahad Ha’am was worried about it precisely because the Jews were a small minority surrounded by hostile muslims and ruled by a unfriendly Ottoman government./

    Nonsense.

    Had Palestine been as “hostile” and “unfriendly” to Jews as you would like us to believe, Ha’am would never have described it as one that offered “unlimited freedom” to his people. Your spin simply doesn’t withstand close scrutiny.

    Fact is, it didn’t take too long for Palestine’s Arabs to understand the intent of zionists to displace them — an intent that has been thoroughly documented in the statements of Herzl, Jabotinsky, Ben Gurion, et al. The zionist project recognized such displacement as a necessity from the onset. Once we understand this, the source of conflict becomes obvious.

  98. @SolontoCroesus

    Nice post.

    /Ahad Ha’am, who never lived in Palestine/

    He moved there in 1922 and passed away five years later, but he had spent enough time in Palestine beforehand that he knew the situation on the ground rather well. Would that Ha’am’s perspective prevailed …

  99. The existence of blacks makes me seriously doubt that there is any God, at least in the Christian sense. What sort of sick God would create creatures like blacks and inflict all the suffering upon white people that “he” has?

    If God exists then he must be anti-White to allow what is happening to white people, there’s just no other way of explaining it.

    Well it was White people that took them from their environment and brought them over as slaves.

    Then White people fought a war over slavery instead of finding a peaceful resolution..

    In the 60s it was White people that decreed Black poverty to be the fault of White people and passed all kinds of laws including the creation of the welfare state.

    And today you can’t even discuss certain issues related to race because certain facts aren’t tolerable to various types of White egalitarians (including conservatives).

    So I would take the opposite view in that I don’t see how God is to blame at all.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  100. Eric135 says:

    I can’t think of any large “Christian” church that doesn’t bow down to the Jews (who rejected and continue to reject Jesus Christ).

    There is no such thing as a Christian church in the west — apart from a handful of dissident parishes — and I am not sure about the Christian churches in the east — Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Coptic, etc.

    At least the Orthodox churches are organized on national lines — which would naturally lead them to resist outside influence, including possibly Jewish influence. In the meantime, Christians won’t find Christianity in their own churches here in the west.

    A lot of the hatred of Russia in the west is based on the fact that it has changed from a communist to a Christian nation. That’s right. “Anti-communism” in the west was merely a pose. When Hitler arose and really opposed communism, we attacked him.

    So, contrary to the rhetoric that the “Christian West” opposed the “Communist East,” the fact is that the West created communism and imposed it on the East, destroying Christianity in Russia, China, Cuba, etc.

    George Lincoln Rockwell describes how this was accomplished during and after WW II in his book “White Power”.

    Other books describe the process as it took place before, during and after WW I (M.S. King: “Planet Rothschild” vols. 1 and 2; Douglas Reed: “The Controversy of Zion”; Docherty and Macgregor: “Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War”).

    This is just another example of how people in the west have been lied to by their lapdog (to the Jews) governments and media

  101. Lot says:
    @Alden

    How many years have there been an independent Arab Palestinian state?

    Your history is also just wrong. What you ignorantly call Greek and Roman rule was actually, between the Maccabean revolt and the final Roman victory in the Third Jewish War, a period that included long periods of hands-off autonomy and sometimes formal and complete independence.

    • Replies: @Alden
  102. @Lot

    Your comments show how myopic Zionists really are. The Balfour Declaration (deal) was crafted in 1916 (made public in late 1917) by Zionists together with Lord Balfour on behalf of the British. At the time, the Zionist money lords in Europe had been bankrolling both sides in that world war. In exchange for Palestine they promised to cease bankrolling Germany, which they did, and to bring the US into the war on the side of the Allies, which they did in 1917.

    In 1916 the Germans had the upper hand, but they proposed peace with each nation returning to their own borders. The Zionist seeing their opportunity with a down and out Britain, crafted the deal with Balfour. Sure, that was great for the Zionists, at war with everyone in the world anyway. However, the war was prolonged until November 1918 with hundreds of thousands more casualties. Germany felt it was betrayed by the “Jews”, and if the Zionists are identical with Jews, as people like Lot want us to believe, then the Germans did lose that war because of their betrayal.

    Then we have the very ugly history were after WWI the mainly Zio financiers demanded repayment of all their loans to both sides, from Germany. They called it “reparations”. In the 1920’s all nations in western Europe except Germany flourished. Germany suffered miserably in poverty because of reparations. In Germany during the 1920’s, Jewish businesses could get all the bank credit they wanted. While the non-Jewish German people suffered in poverty, the Jewish Germans prospered in an exclusive material and cultural superiority. And what do you think that led to? Hitler. And what did you think Hitler led to? WWII and the persecution of millions of Jews.

    You think that the Balfour Declaration was a great thing? Great for who? Certainly not for the Jews if you are into propagating the story that the only evil in WWII was killing Jews. If not for the Declaration (the Rothschild’s together with the Zionist), WWI likely would have ended in peace in 1916. If not for the Declaration there would have been no extreme resentment in Germany against the Jews, and their would have been no Nazi Party, or Führer Hitler as a result. There would likely not have been any WWII or persecution and killing of Jews or anyone else. The Belfour Declaration & Zionist betrayal of Germany ended up costing the world over 80 million human lives.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Lot
  103. Christian church show signs of sanity but to forget everything is not easy

  104. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    The war wasn’t over slavery. It was just that the South of the USA had to obey to the North of the USA.
    The Anglos started bullying among themselves. Then they went on to export the same attitude to the world, bullying other nations.

  105. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harbinger

    Again, the Jews INVADED Palestine, murdered the inhabitants, murdered the British who were the controlling power and set about stealing it for themselves as an invading force, with no rights, whatsoever to that land.

    Were all other nations in the world founded otherwise? With nice, amicable talks and agreements between previous occupants, newcomers, …? Lol.

    All nations have been founded, and “unified”, the same way as Israel was. Why so many people are troubled only by how Israel was founded though?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @annamaria
  106. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Why would God create these violent, low IQ creatures in the first place, what purpose do they serve? Also, the bible arguably encourages whites to see blacks as part of their follow humanity so it could be argued that the ethics of the bible itself is responsible for whites thinking it’s a good idea to bring blacks to Europe, etc. Also even if whites had nothing to do with Africa it’s very naive to assume that they wouldn’t have eventually got to Europe themselves, they are very aggressive and entitled in their mentality.

    It also contradicts the “man is made in God’s image” thing when there are two vastly different forms of humanity like whites and blacks that you would have to be a fool to believe both are “made in God’s image”.

  107. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Because in the post-WW2 era people are supposed to know better. The founding of Israel was an exercise in pure colonialism of its most brutal form. Countries like Britain and France today are endlessly chastised for colonialism, but not Israel for some reason.

    You can’t compare how nations were founded 1,000+ years ago with how Israel was founded.

  108. @Fred Baggins

    In Germany during the 1920’s, Jewish businesses could get all the bank credit they wanted. While the non-Jewish German people suffered in poverty, the Jewish Germans prospered in an exclusive material and cultural superiority. And what do you think that led to? Hitler. And what did you think Hitler led to? WWII and the persecution of millions of Jews.

    “Persecution of millions of non-German Jews;” — look at the statistics: the vast majority of Jews allegedly holocausted were from Poland & other East European countries; relatively few German Jews were killed by Germans: Louis Brandeis spent five years making sure as many German Jews as possible were gotten out of Germany.

    from Rabbi Stephen Wise, The Challenging Years, quoted in Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement:

    “Within a fortnight of Der Fuhrer’s January 30 appointment, Justice Brandeis shocked Stephen Wise by candidly declaring, “The Jews must leave Germany. There is no other way.” An astonished Rabbi Wise asked, “How can five-hundred eighty-five thousand* people be taken out of Germany?” Brandeis interrupted, “I would have the Jews out of Germany. They have been treated with deepest disrespect. I urge that Germany shall be free of Jews. Let Germany share the fate of Spain. No Jew must live in Germany.” “

    * Wise’s interjection, “five-hundred eighty-five thousand people” is significant: there were at least 100,000 Russian and Polish Jews also in Germany.
    Brandeis was not concerned with them; in a letter to his wife in (probably May) 1933, Wise wrote that Brandeis “was most bitter about the boycott, saying the economic extermination of 600,000 is worse than Pogroms involving 60 lives.” [Letters, p. 220]
    (Recall that the German boycott of Jewish businesses lasted one day, April 1, 1933, and was in (truncated) retaliation to the economic war that “international Jewry” declared against Germany and pursued until 1941.)

    Fred Baggins wrote:

    You think that the Balfour Declaration was a great thing? Great for who? Certainly not for the Jews if you are into propagating the story that the only evil in WWII was killing Jews.

    “Certainly not for East European Jews” who were a blight on the zionist eugenic utopia; their deaths were at very least foreseen or certainly should have been expected, and not at all implausibly, planned.
    The WWII ‘holocaust’ of ‘6 million’ was a culling of the herd, removing from the gene pool of “human material” of the “new Jew” the inbred and degenerated Jews that evoked revulsion in Jabotinsky when he encountered “my people” in Prague, equal to the revulsion evoked in Hitler when he encountered them in Vienna.
    (That the zionist project in Palestine had profound eugenic agenda is explicit in Etan Bloom’s Arthur Ruppin and the Production of Hebrew Culture in Palestine, dissertation for PhD at TelAviv University).

    Jews captured the majority of German documents (that Wm. Shirer spoke of in opening of Rise & Fall of Third Reich), and Jews have had control of those documents since they left Germany. Jews under the direction of Gerhard Weinberg oversaw the sorting, copying, and return to Germany of those documents.

    It is not unreasonable to believe that the documents were purged of any and every record that Germans were paid to move Jews, or even to kill them.

    The strict sanction against holocaust denial exists for many reasons, not least to keep little Jews in the dark about how Big Jews carried out a Levitic operation on surplus Jews.

    • Agree: Kiel
  109. @Kratoklastes

    “the invisible Sky Maniac” – hey, I like that! I tend to allude to the Vampire Archfiend or the Anti-god from hell, but yours is better!

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  110. ​Christianity is about credo.

    Judaism is about Covenant.

    Christians believe they chose God.

    Jews believe God chose them.

    That difference in mindset makes all the difference.

    Credo is ideological. Covenant is Identitarian.

    Identity > Ideology.

    Notice how Jews used to be so divided along ideological lines. But World Jewry became one people via identity of Holocaust and Zionism.

  111. @Nick Kollerstrom

    I used to have a hotkey set up that expanded “YHWH[space]” to

    Yahweh the foreskin-obsessed, genocidal Invisible Sky Maniac

    Yahweh’s bizarre OCD about child genital mutilation is something that should be brought up any time anyone makes a positive mention of the Abrahamic traditions.

    That, and the fact that Abraham was fucking his [half-]sister, and then pimped her out. Some patriarch!

    • Agree: anarchyst
  112. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    I was referring to the Jewish bible known as the Old Testament which tells the tales of wandering into Egypt, then leaving and ending up with David 1,000 BC then Solomon Saul etc then the Assyrian conquest cerca 850BC

    The Jewish calendar claims this is the year 5,779. Five thousand seven hundred and seventy nine years since Abraham and God spoke with each other and Judaism began. That’s the Jewish version

    So going by their own version of history, the Jews only had an independent kingdom for about 150 years, 2,850 years ago. This gives them no historical claim to Palestine

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  113. Alden says:
    @Lot

    You’re the ignorant one. Read some history other than that book of fairy tales and lies you learned at Jewish camp and Hebrew school.

    • Replies: @Lot
  114. Alden says:
    @Kiel

    My brothers are 3 and 5 years younger than I. The older one was my main playmate. Younger one toddling around with his big blue eyes.
    All that killing of baby boys beginning with Ismael ending with King Herod appalled me. Ishmael I thought the absolute worst.

    Then all that about the Jericho Harlot Rehab Judith and Jael who went into the enemy camp posing as prostitutes and killed the generals. Story of Dinah That’s just pornography

    • Agree: Kiel
    • Replies: @Kiel
  115. UK or cuck island.

    We’ve heard of populism and Brexit, but nothing changes. UK is still inundated with tons of foreigners.

    It ain’t populism but Globopulism. Morons like Johnson and Corbyn don’t stand for national populism but pander to the global masses. They are really globopulists.

  116. annamaria says:
    @Anon

    Because the holobiz puts all Jews on a pedestal as the most moral and most victimized, and even makes a profitable business on this claim by using and abusing shamelessly the rules of the civilized world.
    The zionist toy of a country is an abnormality in many respects including the abnormal case of hypocrisy.

  117. Kiel says:
    @Alden

    Hagar and Ishmael really got to me as well. Abraham was a pussy that couldn’t handle his bitch of a wife, Sarah. Mister rich patriarch sent Hagar and their young child off into the desert with a fucking canteen (ALONE!) to die.

    Who the fuck does that???

    He could have at least given her some money and an escort back to her home tribe.

    Reading through Judges 19 a few months back really did it for me, however.

    They’re a scum people of a scum god.

    It took me 40 years of struggle, trying to hang-on – but Mark Twain was right, the cure is in actually READING the damn book.

    I still hold out hope for a loving worthwhile god, but that one sure as hell isn’t worth a shit – nothing but half-assed mythology, mostly ripped-off from neighboring civilizations because they weren’t smart enough to create their own.

  118. What was the point of creating Israel 2 again when the USA is Israel 1?

    #110

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  119. Lot says:
    @Alden

    Nothing I said relies on the Bible, though Maccabees is the best source for the details of the Maccabean Revolt that started the independent and later semi-independent Hellenic Jewish states.

    This is just basic accepted history of Israel during Classical Antiquity.

    • Replies: @Alden
  120. Lot says:
    @Fred Baggins

    You mixed in a few points I agree with about WWI and II with nutty Jewspiracies.

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  121. augusto says: • Website

    I read the whole book by Miko Peled -”The General’ s Son”.

    It is a fact describing book, a family, a jewish family report within historical bounderies and perfectly clear. Miko is jew, wilfully remains as a jew and I Didnot find out any anti semitism in the publicaçtion.
    His father is a jewish war hero, he himself was a soldier – a tremendously courageous israeli soldier who dared search and find out WHY the jewish state, as dominated by the RIGHT radicals, chose to crush and smash palestinian people, palestiniand boys and girls and palestinian rights every single day. This is true since the day where the far right conservatives and Likudists took over the state.
    He is a political dissenter not an enemy.
    He says at the end that the present Likudism and its allies are wrong by any angle you look at. And that the two state solution is an error – only a one state solution has a chance to suceed.
    Calling him anti semitic is a rabid and racist lie.

  122. Lot says:
    @Lot

    By the way, even Ron Unz recently said he thinks the various WWI Jew conspiracies are stupid and the mainstream history is correct.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  123. Alden says:
    @Lot

    It’s the Jewish version which is completely contradicted by every other version of history. BTW. Masada is another myth.

    Who do you think you’re responding too? Some garishly bejeweled cheap face lifted Hadassah ladies?

    • LOL: Kiel
  124. @Wally

    While that is an important part of the current narrative, they had disproportionate influence long before that. They never could have made WWII (or WWI) work out as it did if they didn’t have massive influence.

    I’d say the more important part of their rise is from Mayer Rothschild’s rise and his son’s buyout of the Bank of England in the aftermath of Waterloo. In America it really kicked off after the McKinley assassination and the Federal Reserve Act.

  125. dufrianord says: • Website

    This is not good I have noticed an rise in anti-Christian behavior and the anger seems to be behavior as Church of England did here. Shameful

  126. annamaria says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    “What was the point of creating Israel 2 again when the USA is Israel 1?”

    — Israel 2 is a refuge for Jewish criminals worldwide

  127. annamaria says:
    @Lot

    Do you also write for Adam Schiff and the DNC?

    • LOL: Kiel
    • Replies: @Kiel
  128. Kiel says:
    @annamaria

    No reason to go below the belt there – judging from his username, you’re dealing with someone that fathered his own grandchildren.

    ;o)

  129. journey80 says:

    We probably have Prince Andrew’s Epstein videotapes to thank for that …

  130. The CofE is clearly under Jewish siege, and its senior clergy is demanding that parish priests beat their breasts about how much they love this. The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby (who spent most of his life thinking he is a half Jew because his father is a Jew, only to find out that the Jew is not his father) is heard all to often to rhapsodise about how much he loves being in Israel. But he has not once mentioned the hideous treatment by Israelis of the Christian Orthodox priests in the Holy Land. So, as far as the Archbishop is concerned, it’s fine for Israelis to spit on Christian clergy, and otherwise humiliate them.

    And Justin Welby voted in the Synod against further financial help to the Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme in Palestine, because, he sad, that ‘gives the wrong impression of Israel’. I wonder if the Church is still giving that help?

    Some of you will have heard of Reverend Dr Stephen Sizer, once the very popular vicar at the Anglican parish of Christ Church, Virginia Water, in Surrey. Exemplary Christian, Dr Sizer served his ministry not only in his parish, but also in Palestine. And he turned his impressive intellect to the rigorous unmasking of the Scofield bible as the heretical Zionist fodder of Christion Zionists. (Look up his two works on this subject, which was the theme of his doctoral thesis.)

    Enter the Board of Deputies of British Jews. First they tried to get the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) to charge him with heinous antisemitic things. The CPS shrugged this off, pointing out that Dr Sizer has no case to answer. The Board of Deputies of British Jews then came knocking on the door of Dr Sizer’s bishop. An upright man, that bishop was politely accommodating, but declined to see Dr Sizer as a wrong-doer in any way. But this decent, dignified bishop retired. The Church replaced him with a piece of s**t who immediately went for Dr Sizer’s throat. The outcome was that Dr Sizer found that he could not pursue his ministry because the s**t-bishop had gagged and otherwise encumbered him. He resigned his ministry.

    So: The CofE is in a state where a brilliant priest is thrown by his s**t-bishop into the Jewish maw if that is what pleases the Jews, never mind the dire shortage of Anglican priests. Lesser priests, or rather, dishonest little shysters like your ducking-and-diving St Anne’s Soho rector would never risk displeasing the Jews. He knows he must love them if he is to keep his job safe, particularly those of them who pollute this world in the repulsive form of Jonathan Hoffman. And the Christian flock to whom this seedy rector is supposed to be ministering? ‘Bugger them!’ I hear him shrug as he gives Dr Sizer the finger: ‘Sucker!’

    Very, very sad business, this. Mrs Alison Chabloz has been getting the Jewish treatment for almost three years now, under the blinded eyes of the CPS and the courts. And what does Archbishop Justin Welby do when someone calls his attention to her – seek her out for priestly counselling, perhaps? Nuh! He says: ‘Why does someone not stop this woman?’ This be the Anglican Christianity of our times!

  131. @Alden

    ‘…So going by their own version of history, the Jews only had an independent kingdom for about 150 years, 2,850 years ago. This gives them no historical claim to Palestine’

    The thing of it is, the bulk of ‘the Jews’ in question stayed right in Palestine, where the bulk of them seem to have converted to Islam around the eighth or ninth century AD, becoming what are today known as ‘Palestinians.’

    That whole aspect of things is simply irrelevant to the rationale for modern Israel. The logic there is such that you, I, or some random Malaysian Muslim could as reasonably claim Palestine as Lot can. It’s about as much the birthright of a Western Jew as the Philippines belongs to Ireland on the grounds that they’re both Catholic.

    But there. Thousands have to die, millions have to suffer deprivation and humiliation, and billions have to spend trillions — all on behalf of this nonsensical charade.

    • Agree: Alden
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