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The Third World child soldier is a familiar image—a young boy (usually aged 14 or younger), dressed in ill-fitting fatigues, frequently smoking a cigarette and totting an AK-47. These soldiers are widely condemned and banned by international treaty, and for obvious reasons. Do these youngsters really grasp what they are fighting for? Are they sufficiently mature to make quick life or death choices during combat? Most of all, their recruitment obviously exploits gullible youngsters, an exploitation comparable to child prostitution or using children to run drugs or shoplift since authorities are reluctant to punish the very young. Put in legal terms, by virtue of their youth they are unable to give informed consent to their military enlistment.

Let me suggest that comparable element exist in the recent media-soaked mobilization of youngsters to score points against “the gun interests,” particularly the NRA to protest the shooting at Parkland, Florida. To be sure, the US is not the Central African Republic where armed boys really kill civilians, but the underlying moral issues are, sad to say, comparable. America has their child soldiers albeit unarmed ones. To use a term made famous by Vladimir Lenin, these kids are useful idiots.

It is unlikely that these pre-teens or teenagers have a minimal understanding of gun control, the Second Amendment, what due process means in this debate, the legal options schools have in protecting students, the relationship between mental illnesses and criminality, among other critical, inescapable gun-violence related issues. How many can accurately define “assault weapon”? Though liberal commentators will insist that as potential victims these youngsters possess a right to speak out, is this message sufficiently informed to justified public attention? Most adults are, no doubt, also ill-informed, but is public debate governed by the principle that adding yet more voices, regardless of cogency, elicits more intelligent discussions? Babble is not necessary a good guide to wise policy. Imagine a public debate over drunk driving and inviting eight-graders to suggest changes in DUI laws? Recall Art Linkletter’s Children Say the Darndest Things where tots offered their often screwball comical take on life for the amusement of adults.

Secondly, a situation where teachers bring their students to rallies should properly be classified as involuntary exposure to non-school sanctioned propaganda, not school-based civics. Insisting that “democracy requires citizens to be politically engaged, so QED, democracy requires dragging third-graders to an anti-gun rally” is sophistry. Concerned teachers could easily devise lesson plans that lay out multiple sides of this controversy, providing their students with pro and con materials all the while encouraging a frank classroom give and take. Students might even be assigned a paper evaluating both sides. How about if youngsters wrote letters to the NRA asking their side of the story? They might even learn about cities with extensive gun ownership that never had a school shooting.

Compare this in-class balanced format with the typical rally where countless speakers, all sharing identical views, without any rejoinders, pound away at the evil NRA etc. etc. while offering empty banalities about school shootings. How could any kid escape this one-side, hyperbole? For many youngsters, the likely take-away is that manufacturers of “assault” weapons want more school shooting to boost profits and the NRA is in cahoots with them. The familiar merchants of death argument “teaching” kids that guns, not people, kill people.

The tip-off to this fake “spontaneous” groundswell is that somebody must organize and pay for this “voice” while ensuring that the media is alerted to this “news.” Do dozens of school buses magically appear for free to transport these pint-sized activists and their teachers to a spot where somebody has arranged for bus parking, a sea of “handmade” signs, security to direct traffic, microphones, speaker lecterns and portable toilets? It exaggerates only slightly to compare these “impromptu” rallies to the well-scripted outpouring of popular support for Third World dictators when a BBC filming crew “suddenly” appears.

To be fair, these anti-gun rallies with their placard carrying child-soldiers are hardly new and are certainly not exclusively left-wing tactics. I have seen swarms of kids at pro-life demonstrations and elsewhere “demanding” school choice. It’s all about generating eye-catching publicity. Recall the old Vaudeville adage about never following an animal or children’s act—hard to top it.

The true culprit of these events are the rating-obsessed mass media that drives political strategy. What if a demonstration occurred without TV coverage? Would it still count as civic activism? Remember the days when TV loved rallies protesting the Vietnam war thanks to bizarre costumes, weird people and, with any luck, some carefully edited shots of bare-breasted female hippies? Anti-war activists quickly figured things out. A manual on how to generate free media coverage surely must exist.

When all is said and done, a reasonable case can be made for government and school policies, to curtail the political exploitation of children. At a minimum, those who drag junior to such events should be made aware of potential dangers–foul language, graphic images (aborted fetuses, dead bodies) and, increasingly, genuine violence. Conceivably, exposure to over-heated rhetoric might traumatize youngsters who cannot grasp the infinitesimal odds of them being killed in a school shooting. I personally would not take my grand-daughter to a campus forum involving Charles Murray or Heather MacDonald. Who knows what awaits innocent bystanders—tear gas? Being trampled? Seeing fist fights and clubbing’s? What will be learned at such raucous events? Something about the First Amendment?

ORDER IT NOW

The parallel are the ratings for movies (G to X) and video games that alert parents of content unsuitable for children of various ages. Going one step further, there should be tangible costs for parents and teachers who believe that having junior “speak out” on some injustice outshines more humdrum school work. (Some school have done this.) Moreover, many black and Hispanic students need all the classroom they can get without achieving their fifteen seconds of TV fame to advance some celebrity-endorsed trendy causes. As for teachers who cannot control their activism urges, just dock them a day’s pay unless they can demonstrate that attending the rally out-performed anything that could be accomplished in the classroom. Better yet, have the state withhold money from the school for these exercises in propaganda.

All in all, time to declare those under aged 18 (or perhaps 16) as non-combatants. This is a policy equivalent to not permitting children to smoke, see X-rate films or otherwise engage in “adult” activities. Perhaps we should assign social workers to monitor political rallies to ensure that youngsters are not at risk when they venture into activities demanding adult judgement.

 
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  1. The government schools have proven to be a far too powerful tool for eroding our republic from within.

    Not only are these kids stupid, performing far below their academic potential given their raw IQ, but they are more than useless as far as productivity is concerned.

    In the 1700′s or 1800′s kids this age could do trades and speak like adults. They had responsibility and accountability.

    Another reason to homeschool. That does it for us. But we are outnumbered 50:1.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  2. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This column is afflicted with Mr. Weissberg’s typical typos, but much better than his recent run of whack-a-blackery. Acknowledging the exploitation of children by abortion opponents indicates that he is sincere and principled about the topic.

    But why the clumsy, needless focus on “many black and Hispanic students” near the end? This isn’t only off-putting to so-called “normies,” but something that makes the sentence less true. Here, try it this way:

    “Moreover, many students need all the classroom [time] they can get without achieving their fifteen seconds of TV fame to advance some celebrity-endorsed trendy causes.”

    I guess it wouldn’t be a Weissberg column without a kibble for those who enjoy being reassured that they’re racially superior. Or maybe he’s troling.

  3. Useful idiots. Babble. Pretty much sums them up.

  4. Randal says:
    @anonymous

    It’s good to slip in, wherever possible, bits of the truths that are actively and deliberately suppressed by the mainstream medias of the US sphere.

    Those who, as you advocate, fail to do so in order to achieve greater respectability become part of the problem.

  5. Those kids in Florida are being told that the NRA killed their friends and teachers. Public schools do not educate. They only indoctrinate. Good mourning children and welcome to the coalition of the fringes. Today we will discuss the problem of whiteness.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  6. @WorkingClass

    Good mourning children and welcome to the coalition of the fringes. Today we will discuss the problem of whiteness.

    By the way, kids? When the product of our education and psychiatry and the M&Ms of the depressed fail, may the victims Rest In Pieces, but don’t blame US.

  7. This children’s protest was a new low in political discourse. The schools are funded by everybody and cannot serve to push one particular controversial political viewpoint. And the children are there to learn, not posture. There is a reason why young people can’t drive, drink, vote, or marry.

    • Replies: @VICB3
  8. turtle says:

    https://marchforourlives.com/faq/

    This movement is for kids and by kids. March For Our Lives organizers are the kids themselves.

    Sure.

    If you believe this:

    https://everytown.org/documents/2018/03/march-for-our-lives-toolkit.pdf

    was written by “kids,” I have several bridges you might like to purchase.

    This is a well organized effort, evidently based in Encino, CA, which is cynically exploiting people’s sympathies for children in order to push an agenda.

    I have no doubt that what they describe as “comprehensive gun safety legislation” will be more like “comprehensive firearm prohibition and confiscation.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  9. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The whole thing was too good to be true. It’s all obviously staged and coordinated from behind the scenes. The people pulling the strings are of course adults who calculated that a children’s crusade would be great theater and photogenic for the waiting media cameras. The media was in on the scam, presenting it all as being an authentic voice of the youth. Everything nowadays is just fake, it seems. These people are just shameless.

  10. Corvinus says:
    @Backwoods Bob

    “The government schools have proven to be a far too powerful tool for eroding our republic from within.”

    That’s not entirely accurate. Hundreds of thousands of white parents have faith in our public schools. Are they anti-white for making this educational decision?

    “Not only are these kids stupid, performing far below their academic potential given their raw IQ…”

    You are making a sweeping generalization here.

    • Replies: @David Davenport
  11. Corvinus says:

    “It is unlikely that these pre-teens or teenagers have a minimal understanding of gun control, the Second Amendment, what due process means in this debate, the legal options schools have in protecting students, the relationship between mental illnesses and criminality, among other critical, inescapable gun-violence related issues.”

    Actually, it is quite likely that these adolescents, a number of them white, have a clear comprehension of the issues of their own volition.

    • Replies: @WHAT
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  12. Corvinus says:
    @turtle

    “This is a well organized effort, evidently based in Encino, CA, which is cynically exploiting people’s sympathies for children in order to push an agenda.”

    Code for “I can’t give credit where credit is due. There a number of teenagers–white, black, Hispanic, Asian–from the SJW to the Alt Right crowd, from “normies” and from the “fringes” who today are hooked into the issues of our nation.”

    • Replies: @fish
    , @CCZ
  13. Do public school students still read The Scarlet Letter?

    Shouldn’t the issues Hawthorne explored — adultery, promiscuity-irresponsible sex, the shame of adultery, the impact of reckless sex on the child of an adulterous union, the difficulty of raising a child in a fractured family, irresponsible parents, vindictive parents, vindictive surrounding culture, — be far more important and to the point re Nikolas Cruz’s behavior, its causes and consequences, than the gun he used?

    • Replies: @joe webb
  14. Do these youngsters really grasp what they are fighting for? Are they sufficiently mature to make quick life or death choices during combat?

    Laughable. Due to the fact that youth below the age of 21 have not yet developed a sense of self preservation explains why all militaries, including the US, target them as recruits.

  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Brilliant column, but the proposed countermeasures do not go far enough. Identifying the ringleaders is definitely possible in the internet age. As for punishing them, 6 months in the cooler would have a salutary deterrent effect, with the additional bonus of creating a few ‘martyrs’ for the left to squeal about and alienate everyone else.

    By the time the protesting and squealing is done with, even the dimmer bulbs in education will have figured out that these stunts are not a good idea.

  16. Grumbler says:

    If people under 21 are not mature and responsible enough to own a gun then they are also not mature and responsible enough to dictate policy on such important matters.

  17. Tbbh says:

    If they want to not be allowed owning arms, how do their views matter?

  18. wayfarer says:

    Too bad these naive children aren’t speaking out against war, or even America’s soaring drug overdose death rates.

    source: https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  19. CCZ says:
    @Corvinus

    The Gabby Gifford anti-gun organization also appears to be sponsoring, coordinating, facilitating, and supplying logistical support for the “childrens’ crusade” as in the below video.

  20. WHAT says:
    @Corvinus

    Gen. Zyklon is very much aware, /pol/, TRS, Anglin and company made sure of it. Let leftists gather and screech all they want, it will be easier to cull that way too.

    • Replies: @JustJeff
  21. My estimate is that the USA has more firearms among citizens than there are citizens.
    Then there is the culture of owning firearms, even in the Constitution.
    Large parts of the USA are suitable for hunting.
    Many USA citizens do not trust the government.
    So I wonder how to solve an obvious problem.

    School and other shooting also occur in the Netherlands and Germany, shooting not by ‘terrorists’.
    This despite strict gun laws.
    Terrorist shootings invariably are done with Kalashnikovs, easily transported from the former Yougoslav area.
    Journalists had little trouble buying one in Brussels for € 150.

  22. @wayfarer

    In my opinion drugs are not the problem, it is the people using them, without being able to handle them.
    The big question is ‘why does the USA have so many citizens unable to handle drugs ?’.
    The Netherlands is a small country, and I’m too lazy to calculate, find the data, but I suppose that relatively we have far less overdose cases.
    Addicts are helped with methadon, etc.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    , @t-gordon
  23. Some leftist wag tried to start a “Children’s Crusade” meme on Twitter … it stopped very quickly when it was pointed out that the original Children’s Crusade was believed to have ended with the Children being sold into slavery by the ostensibly friendly Italians before the crusade could even reach the Holy land.

    • Agree: Cortes
  24. utu says:

    Americans do not need that many weapons. One pistol or revolver and max two hunting guns with license should be enough. Nobody needs semi automatic rifles. And pls do not bring up the 2nd amendment or whatever on this over fetishized piece of paper. It so low class.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    , @thor47
    , @Liljoe
  25. Golobki says:

    Those Fla kids are dead because a corrupt political hack sheriff Scott Israel and an Obama clone Supt of Schools Runcie (who just received a massive salaty and bonus increase) refused to address the warning signals the shooter displayed.

    Israel always boasts about falling crime rates. Easy to do when you stop arresting criminals

  26. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Americans are under attack by a group that is wanting to take away our guns and freedom of speech. The entire Parkland massacre was–and still is–a slickly coordinated psyop to get Americans to give up their guns. Even though it was proven to be a LIE, the ADL immediately jumped on the shooting, claiming the alleged shooter, Cruz, was a white nationalist, except that Cruz has a Jewish mother, making him Kosher certified.

    At the same time, Israeli lackeys in Congress are close to passing the anti-BDS bill which will make VERBOTEN any criticism of Israel, with huge fines and jail time for merely expressing an opinion about that Apartheid nightmare.

    Since Cruz’s gun jammed, who did all the killing at Parkland?

    Parkland Shooting Suspect Nikolas Cruz’s Gun Reportedly Jammed With 150 Ammo Rounds Left, Official Says

    http://www.newsweek.com/nikolas-cruz-guns-assault-rifles-parkland-florida-823091

    Mossad-Chabad-Deep State Behind “Operation Parkland

    “Far from being a victim, David Hogg was one of the forward observers of the joint Israeli-CIA death squad sent to Parkland, ensuring that sufficient numbers of his classmates were killed. “The Jewish-born Cruz was likely recruited by the Shomrim secret society to be a patsy for the commando raid and was brainwashed at Chabad House.

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/02/Mossad-Chabad-Deep-State%20.html

    CONFIRMED: Broward County deputies were *ORDERED* to stand down… then all radio communications were cut off while the shooting continued

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/bombshell-confirmed-broward-county-deputies-were-ordered-to-stand-down-then-all-radio-communications-were-cut-off-while-the-shooting-continued/

    Shouldn’t the kids be talking about why FOUR Broward County cops were hiding outside the school when the kids inside were getting slaughtered?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  27. MAWA says:

    Please STFU with your overfetishised free speech.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  28. When all is said and done, a reasonable case can be made for government and school policies, to curtail the political exploitation of children.

    Not exactly.

    When all is said and done, a reasonable case can be made for curtailing the political victimization of children by government.

    The US government as an agent of the MIC is the most foul exploiter and victimizer of children on the planet, and people would be well advised to keep their children free of its influences.

    Also, so called “adults” in this country, brainwashed as they’ve long been, have no better clue than children do about why they’re fighting.

    [Big]Wealth saw to it that the conditions would be created that would make it practically impossible for us to keep out of the war …

    It was the demand of wealth that we should prepare a great Navy and a great Army in order to enforce the existing political and economic system not only upon ourselves, but upon all the world — present and future.

    -Charles A. Lindbebgh, Why is your country at war and what happens to you after the war, and related subjects,”p32 (1917)

    https://archive.org/stream/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog_djvu.txt

  29. n230099 says:

    “To use a term made famous by Vladimir Lenin, these kids are useful idiots.”

    More like the kids let themselves become props in a media freak show.

  30. anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t have kids, but I do know that I would never subject my kid to this sort of thing. What are these parents thinking? The answer is that they are thinking solely about themselves, with no consideration towards the effect it could have on their offspring. The word “irresponsible” comes to mind.

  31. CCZ says:
    @utu

    Very interesting that a Democratic member of the House of Representatives (from New York) suggested that civilians possessing and using weapons to resist government tyranny, an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment derided by liberals as insanity when expressed by gun-rights advocates, might be necessary to resist the tyranny of Trump.

    Roll Call reports that Representative Tom Suozzi talked of putting pressure on Trump, saying, “This is where the Second Amendment comes in, quite frankly. Because you know, what if the president was to ignore the courts? What would you do? What would we do?”

    An audience member responded by asking the essence of the Second Amendment and Suozzi said, “The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms. That’s why we have it. That’s why we have it.” (33 seconds into video)

    The Suozzi campaign responded to criticism by rejecting claims that he was suggesting “armed insurrection.” At the same time, they forwarded a statement from Thomas Jefferson, which said, “What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”

    So, he endorses the concept of an armed citizenry as a defense against tyranny, but only because he would use it against a president that he opposes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Trolls need to be fed. A good columnist brings the comments section to life by using logical fallacy. He’s failed to equate dissent with pedophilia or underage sexual exploitation but he’ll keep trying. lolz

  33. wayfarer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    In my opinion drugs are not the problem, it is the people using them, without being able to handle them. The big question is ‘why does the USA have so many citizens unable to handle drugs?

    I witnessed the illicit drug trade as a seaman aboard a USCGC, boarding and searching pirate ships in the Eastern Pacific Ocean off the U.S. and Mexican coasts. At the time my conclusion was that dark elements within the U.S. government had a vested interest in facilitating this trade, as we were often ordered to stand down or back off. This was the same time period in which LAPD narcotics detective Mike Ruppert was experiencing a similar phenomenon.

    Over a forty year period, I witnessed communities within Los Angeles and San Diego, routinely being saturated with heroin, cocaine, meth, ecstasy, etc. Continually the surplus would be so large, that street prices became dirt cheap. One generation of American kids after another, got strung out on these poisons, and for many it became a way of life.

    Deaths, overdoses, suicides, squandered life savings, broken homes and families, irreversible health effects, a steady increase in crimes – you name it, they all became commonplace and eventually epidemic.

    “U.S. Coast Guard offloads 36,000 lbs. of cocaine seized in Pacific Ocean”
    source: http://fox5sandiego.com/2018/03/20/coast-guard-to-offload-36000-lbs-of-contraband-seized-from-eastern-pacific-ocean/

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  34. Che Guava says:
    @MAWA

    Err, to whom you address your commemt is not at all clear, certainly not moi.

    Why do you hate free speech so much?

  35. The poor French, too bad they can’t have guns, “ISIS” just got them again.

    and this isn’t a “childrens crusade”, the kids and their parents are just dupes, theres big money and organization behind this, I suspect the same goons that are behind all of the made for tv fake outrage protests.

    I still say the shootings are false flags, psyops, whatever you want to call it. People die, but the ones doing the shooting is in doubt. Most likely CIA, Mossad, “deep state”, the ones who would like to kill us. Same ones that did 9/11, Las Vegas, Lavon affrair, USS Liberty, yeah they need to find some new hobbies, this crap is getting old…….

    Please refer to US Constitution kids. Its non-negotiable. Go protest the police who stood outside picking their nose or the FBI who totally ignored you, as always.

  36. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @CCZ

    If guns were any real threat they would have been outlawed.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  37. Someone who is standing with his back to a large glass window while talking about armed insurrection is not the guy to lead that insurrection.

  38. Joe Hide says:

    To Robert Weissberg,
    Another great article.

  39. The Zionists are behind the gun control agenda and the push has been ramped up via having school kids protesting guns and if and when the Zionists get America disarmed we patriots will be put into concentration camps and purged from society.

    The school shooting in Florida was a false flag by the deep state and nothing about this school shooting happened as stated by the so called authorities and Nicholas Cruz was a patsy as proven by one student Alexa Miednik who said she was walking down the hall with Cruz while the shooting was taking place !!!

    The whole deal is a lie from start to finish, and if anyone does some research on this school shooting they will realize it was a false flag.

  40. JustJeff says:
    @WHAT

    Right wing generation Z is like Prestor John for the 21st century: they’ll come rescue us but they don’t actually exist.

    • Replies: @t-gordon
  41. This was a promising headline, but the article falls flat.

    To be sure, the US is not the Central African Republic where armed boys really kill civilians,

    That is exactly what has happened in these school shootings. They were boys, they were armed, they killed, the people they killed were civilians. So the US IS like the Central African Republic, only with less Africans.

    I also think you should consider the Second Amendment in the light of Federalist Paper #29, which makes it pretty clear that the Second Amendment is as obsolete as the question of whether a slave was equal to 1/3 or 2/3 of a person, and has nothing to do with personal ownership of non-militia weapons, which should be regulated by the states.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._29

    A generation of children is growing up who have been subjected to regular school “crazy shooter” drills. ( I have children in Florida schools). Each year another generation of these children will graduate and each year they will become more numerous and more of a political force.

    The current generation of Supreme Court justices who were born around the time of the Civil War will soon die off and be replaced by people more in touch with reality.

    If my kids and/or their teachers wanted to participate in demonstrations on gun laws, I would have no objection if that is what they wanted to do.

    I don’t think most of these kids want to repeal the Second Amendment, for what it is worth, because the Second Amendment is an obsolete fossil relating to a time when there was no standing army or police force. You can keep your Second Amendment. What is needed are sensible laws regarding who is allowed to buy guns and ammunition, and the type of guns and ammunition they can buy.

    OF COURSE these kids get support from adults who want gun reform. That is how our country works. A teenager is currently suing the State of Florida for restricting his right to buy a rifle. Do you seriously think a teenager is suing the State of Florida on his own without help from adults?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  42. The familiar merchants of death argument “teaching” kids that guns, not people, kill people.

    This is just semantics.

    People with guns use guns to kill people without guns.

    People with guns use guns to kill other people with guns.

    People with guns use guns to kill themselves with guns in large numbers. Sometimes they kill other people with guns and then they kill themselves with guns.

    Does this make it clearer for you?

  43. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greg Bacon

    At the same time, Israeli lackeys in Congress are close to passing the anti-BDS bill which will make VERBOTEN any criticism of Israel, with huge fines and jail time for merely expressing an opinion

    Yet more comment section mythology that can be falsified with two seconds of Google searching. But nobody seems to have two seconds.

    • Replies: @Greg Bacon
  44. @wayfarer

    Even if drugs are abundant and cheap, why are people unable to handle them ?
    Writing this what comes to mind is Midsummer Day in Sweden, a day of festivities.
    I was flabbergasted to see youngsters already quite drunk, flask in hand, before noon.
    This in a rich country, at the time, seventies, completely white, with a long history of combating alcohol misuse.

    Finns are no better, as I saw on a camping near Riga, the capital of Letland, early this century, so drunk before two in the afternoon that they’d gone to bed, leaving a table full of empty bottles in full sight for anyone passing.

    The British introduced opium in China, from India, to pay for their tea, against what the Chinese government wanted, therefore the opium wars.
    But, in what was called opium kits, a kind of opium bar, people that could not handle the drug were despised.

    Countries like Sweden and Finnland, despite high, and, in Sweden, very expensive, alcohol consumption never had or have alcohol deaths in great numbers, as far as I know.
    Alas here in the Netherlands hospitals complain about the number of always young lives they have to save, having drunk far too much.
    There is talk of charging them the costs, alas most of the time they have no money.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  45. @Anonymous

    Can we also outlaw fighter jets, tanks and nuclear submarines ?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  46. Th reality is that children in the US as a whole are safe from gun violence. It is a non factor for nearly every child in very school. I think the author is correct when he contends that these students are being used.

    But there’s a reason for that. Our educational system is the farm by which we produce our future generations. And that farm is being cultivated by liberals and democrats and intimidated others. I don’t think Pres Trump is anywhere close to being as maladjusted as is touted by his enemies or those in the party he represents. But for the last twenty years, they have been nothing but negatives about the GOP, conservatives and Christianity. I don’t think it would have mattered which GOP member would have won the WH, the vitriol would have been the same.

    How silly it was for conservatives and Republicans to have spent thirty years bastardizing the educational system instead of flooding its fields with conservative thinkers to balance or minimize the waves to come.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  47. gwynedd1 says:

    I have a simple rule. I consider that all political movements that use children as hood ornaments are hiding great evil in the trunk that is the real agenda.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  48. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @gwynedd1

    That includes the babies? The voting class universally believes they have the right to murder babies and villages to defeat “terrorism,” never once thinking the same word might better apply to them. The author admits the reconstructionists rape the volition out of their own children, but these folks typically believe it’s ok to shoot, stone or burn people for a whole lot of reasons.

  49. @Corvinus

    ” … these adolescents, a number of them white, have a clear comprehension of the issues of their own volition.”

    No they don’t. Kids can be smart, but not wise. Adults seeking wisdom from kids are intellectually lazy. The infantilization of our culture continues.

  50. wayfarer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I don’t have a definitive answer to your question.

    America has its inherent problems, some of these difficulties are self-inflicted while others are no doubt coerced.

    A part of America’s spirit is a beautiful free-wheeling disposition.

    But somewhere deep in her soul, there’s a foolish notion of invincibility.

    This may be true for all of humanity, I really don’t know.

    But here, it’s definitely a combination that leads some to trouble.

    Fuck the “government,” as it could do a much better job addressing these hard-drug issues along with so many other dark issues, but then that wouldn’t be in its self-interest.

    I do love this country and all of its dopey diverse people, so it does hurt watching her go down.

  51. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Wealthy, educated men and women have deliberately curtailed educational opportunities . They come in two flavors to confuse you. The ideological handmaidens of the Christian Reich are easy to see, they want total war against reason so they have their own Universities for the aspiring American Taliban. The neoliberals poke fun at the hicks but they too believe in imperialism just like their friends on the more obvious right. Both love the guns issue and write all about it.

    Most of the country is worried about paying their bills or whether they’ll get fired from their jobs – better to keep them preoccupied with guns.

    Here’s where an alternative education would help the country immensely. I don’t hold out much hope for social media. That’s already a bought and sold cesspool of propaganda and intelligence gathering by the previously described elite assholes.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  52. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Anon, since you’re browser is apparently broken, here’s the anti-BDS bill that is close to passing.

    Time to break out that bottle of Manischewitz wine and start singing “Hava Nagila!”

    Israel anti-boycott bill inches closer to passing Senate after revisions

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/03/israel-anti-boycott-bill-closer-passing-senate-revisions.html

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  53. wayfarer says:
    @Greg Bacon

    It may be about time for an, American graffiti renaissance revolution!

  54. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:

    It is unlikely that these pre-teens or teenagers have a minimal understanding of gun control, the Second Amendment, what due process means in this debate, the legal options schools have in protecting students, the relationship between mental illnesses and criminality, among other critical, inescapable gun-violence related issues. How many can accurately define “assault weapon”?

    It is unlikely that most US citizens of any age have a minimal understanding of gun control!

  55. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The voters voted so only the police should be allowed to be an army with military equipment. If that doesn’t work the more real military can be rolled out.

    Nothing quite says freedom like heavily armed cops in armor with shields and military weapons driving tanks by a camp of homeless people.

  56. mcohen says:

    Great photo in article above.a generation is finally rising to challenge a sick society.may it grow from strength to strength.

  57. @Anonymous

    Hmmmmm . . .

    I am not sure that I am on board with your comments. I was focused on two primary views:

    1. schools are in the hands of liberals and there are few challengers that counter the views seeded throughout the education system as result.

    2. Students tend to view the world from an a priori view of liberals

    Long term negative consequences for conservatives. The unrestrained of attack on public education has actually backfired. Home schooling may grow, school choice and charter schools may increase. But more than 80+% of the nations students will be educated in the public school system. Since most of what the country holds as to objective truth and reasoning was founded on the ideas of christians of varying dogmas, I have to reject the advance that christians are at war with reason. The body critical thinking analysis founded by believers in Christ is just to overwhelming .

    I think if Sec Clinton had lost the election to anyone else, there would have other accusations of conspiracies. And those suspicions would have gone unabated. The only difference has been that Pres Trump was for many so unexpected a victor that the accusations are unmoored from normal political wranglings.

    Caveat: I would take a slight step back from the harshness of “bastardized” But neither republicans or conservatives have done themselves a huge disservice attacking public education in the manner they have. And the liberal victories reflect as much — liberal failures in my view.

  58. Renoman says:

    It’s the stupidity and gullibility of the adults that worries me. Something very wrong with people that think automatic weapons and hand guns are a good idea, maybe the new generation will come to their senses.

  59. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    Outstanding post.

    These Old Believers, Constitutionalists 2nd amendment true believers really have no clue about the modern world.

    There are 30 million people in the State of California.

    The entire Muslim world, Haiti, Sub Sahara Black Africa is trying to migrate here. It’s insane to think that we can ignore 2018 realities and just let anything goes, where everything goes.

    Let’s have sane:

    Gun control
    Birth Control
    Immigration Control

    Mogadeshu Somalia is nothing we should be aiming to bring here.

  60. I’m convinced. We should ban guns, school, and bedtimes, and replace the RDA with three meals a day of ice cream and candy.

  61. wayfarer says:

    “Armed Citizens: Fight Crime by Fighting Back.”

    “Gun Grabbing City Councilman vs Armed Citizen.”

  62. gp says:

    Headline at abcnews.go.com today: “Will current leaders believe gun lobby fiction or the truth of youth?”

    False premises, false dichotomy, redefinition of “truth.” The news media just _shovels_ this crap at us. They don’t care if it even makes sense or not. They don’t care what we think of their disingenuous illogic. They are as contemptuous of us as they are of liberty itself.

  63. wayfarer says:

    “Mysterious ‘Broward Coward’ Posters Plastered All Over Sheriff’s HQ”

    source: https://www.infowars.com/mysterious-broward-coward-posters-plastered-all-over-sheriffs-hq/

  64. joe webb says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    So, Solon, have you read Scarlet Letter lately? Hawthorne was profoundly conservative. Ann Hutchinson was some kind of real life model for Hester Prynne. Ann got into trouble for her views and was banned…something to do with Grace as opposed to Works.

    Hester Prynne clearly is graced, both in my view and in Hawthorne’s. Of note is that Hester did works as well as enjoying grace. Everybody ultimately came round to admiring her. As for her child, she was remarkable. I wanted more…tell me about this wonderful child. No such luck.

    So in plain speech, you are way off base here. Hester was no inner-city idiot or her child a juvenile delinquent.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  65. @Corvinus

    That’s not entirely accurate. Hundreds of thousands of white parents have faith in our public schools. Are they anti-white for making this educational decision?

    Corvinus is a schoolmarm and a very typical specimen of today’s K-12 yeachers.

  66. @Jonathan Mason

    “What is needed are sensible laws regarding who is allowed to buy guns and ammunition, and the type of guns and ammunition they can buy.”

    Why? Who are you to say what someone else can or can’t have?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  67. t-gordon says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I’m just guessing here, I’m too lazy to calculate, but I’m positing the assumption that you may have less Despair in the Netherlands. In a nutshell, it’s Despair! These American overdoses are not rock stars. The spiritual evisceration of Middle America in one word, Despair!

  68. t-gordon says:
    @JustJeff

    Prescient and hilarious comment. I’ve seen this “Generation Zyklon” right wing groundswell “meme” recently and my knee jerk reaction has been, “I’ll believe it when I see it.” The evidence as I’m able to interpret it points to the contrary. The Prestor John allusion is the perfect analogy. Still chuckling.

  69. @joe webb

    So in plain speech, you are way off base here. Hester was no inner-city idiot or her child a juvenile delinquent.

    My error was in failing to spend more time to carefully articulate the point I was trying to make; I’m still not sure I can articulate it fully, but it’s closer to your understanding than to any implication that “Hester was an inner-city idiot . . .” — exactly the opposite.

    Nikosas Cruz’s mother was sexually promiscuous and abandoned her child. She did nothing to attempt to redeem herself, and Cruz’s mother’s surrounding culture did not do anything to either shame her as a means of signaling that she had offended against community mores, or provide some level of support and then acceptance back into the community as she acknowledged and dealt with her offense against the community, repented, and amended her life.

    Hester did all of those things, and her daughter came through the ordeal OK.
    Cruz’s mother did none of those things, and the result was an apparently irredeemably damaged child/man.

    Hester healed herself and her community by acknowledging her sin; the Cruz family did the opposite.

    The Parkland children, their parents and their manipulators/puppet masters acknowledge none of these factors (– instead they blamed someone/something else), which are, imo, the primary cause of “gun violence.” Instead, the children’s crusade is making political points to enable Democrats and Oprah to triumph in the next election; to turn schools into extensions of neo-liberal concentration/indoctrination camps; and to expand ever-increasing incursions on American privacy rights.

  70. @Harold Smith

    Why? Who are you to say what someone else can or can’t have?

    The formation of laws, rules, and regulations in a democracy is not the work of one person, but the effect of many people combining to influence legislators by whatever means they can–for example reasoned argument or cash payments.

    Checks and balances, Harold, checks and balances. A psychiatrist can order someone to be committed, which would lead to loss of their gun ownership rights, but the person has the right to a hearing before a judge, who may reverse the decision, and failing that the individual has the right of appeal to a higher court. Checks and balances.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  71. Instead, the children’s crusade is making political points to enable Democrats and Oprah to triumph in the next election

    No reason why the children’s crusade would not support a progressive Republican versus a gun-toting Democrat who takes money from the NRA. It is not as if there is much difference between the parties anyway.

  72. @Jonathan Mason

    Constitutional issues notwithstanding, it’s simply not “sensible” to demand the banning of semi-automatic rifles in the name of “public safety” when there are so many other things that cause so much more death. For example, according to the FBI, 374 people were killed by “rifles” in the U.S. in 2016 (this includes all kinds of rifles, not just semi-automatic rifles), while pharmaceutical drugs kill somewhere between 20,000 and 30,000 people annually.

    Can you imagine such nonsense in any other context? Imagine dropping a bag full of money outside and concentrating on collecting all the $1 dollar bills on the ground while the $100 dollar bills are blown away by the wind. The “public safety” argument is laughably absurd.

    “The formation of laws, rules, and regulations in a democracy is not the work of one person, but the effect of many people combining to influence legislators by whatever means they can–for example reasoned argument or cash payments.”

    Alas you’ve discovered “government”! But here’s the thing: Any “government” that goes all over the world senselessly mass-murdering people, for example (as does the U.S. government), has no moral authority to disarm anybody.

    The lawless, mass-murdering, U.S. “government” that seeks to arm itself with the most destructive, most deadly weapons ever invented including nuclear, chemical and biological weapons; the lawless, mass-murdering U.S. “government” that presently threatens us all with planetary extinction because of its heinous crimes against humanity and its threats against other nuclear powers – simply has no moral or constitutional “right” to take anyone else’s weapons away, especially those belonging to righteous people.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  73. anarchyst says:

    The environmentalist movement was quite successful in infantilizing the general public by making outlandish claims, giving animals “rights, among other things…
    I call it the “disneyfication” of animals, raising animals up to the status of humans, imbuing human qualities on them…Walt Disney and his animal cartoons, “Bambi” among others, is responsible for turning adult humans into animal-worshiping crazies…the roots of rabid environmentalism also has its start with disney cartoons…
    The “disneyfication” of animals has done more to damage the concept of man having dominion over other living things and has contributed greatly to our present crop of anti-hunters and pro-animal activists.
    If civilization collapses, you can bet that this “disneyfication” of animals along with “gun control” (actually people control) will go away… people will be too busy looking for their next meal.
    PETA=people eating tasty animals…

  74. As I recall, the last Children’s Crusade didn’t end well at all.

  75. thor47 says:
    @utu

    Please stop embarrassing yourself with the ” Americans do not need ” foolishness. No one needs two pairs of shoes. No one needs two pairs of jeans, or two shirts. No one needs two Picasso paintings or two Rolex watches. In fact, no one needs a Rolex watch at all. I have a Timex which keeps perfectly good time, and has for seven years now, without a battery change. What I spend my legally earned money on that is legally available is none of your business.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  76. VICB3 says:
    @jimbojones

    My mom – who has a PhD in Education and run entire state school systems if anybody wants to know – predicts that there will be a huge backlash by the parents against the various School Boards and Administrators for actively aiding and abetting these (idiot) children in their narcissistic acting out.* Call it a wake-up call for anybody with a kid in a public school. Watch funding get cut and people replaced or voted out. That and an uptick in private school placements.

    But then again, very possibly the Parents are idiots as well and approve of these activities. Stupid Mothers have stupid children after all.

    Just a (wondrously disgusted) thought.

    Vicb3

    *It’s been shown that it’s in part indirectly funded by the DNC. Here’s the document:

    http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/proof-these-kids-are-pawns-for-the-dnc-their-march-is-being-organized-by-everytown-for-gun-safety-they-are-directly-funded-by-actblue-which-is-thew-dnc/

    Assuming it’s accurate, more proof the DNC has been co-opted.

    • Replies: @VICB3
  77. VICB3 says:
    @VICB3

    “ran” not “run.” Guess the education only sort of took.

  78. Liljoe says:
    @utu

    Yeah? Why don’t you come by and take mine…

  79. Former CIA Intelligence Officer Dr. Michael Scheuer, says Florida school shooting and Las Vegas were false flags, FBI is covering up.
    Also urges every American to buy weapons and stockpile ammo.

    Former CIA Intelligence Officer Dr. Michael Scheuer

  80. wayfarer says:

    “David Hogg Caught Lying About Where He Was During Parkland Shooting.”

    “Anti-Gun Activist Told CBS He Was at Home During Massacre.”

    source: https://www.infowars.com/david-hogg-caught-lying-about-where-he-was-during-parkland-shooting/

  81. Truth says:
    @anonymous

    LOL, I was cheering for Bobby until the very end. Kind of like your mom, standing at the finish line for five hours when you make it through your first marathon. Alas, he couldn’t make it through a full article without referencing blacks!

  82. Gleimhart says:
    @anonymous

    Thank you for that, Hall Monitor. Your moral superiority is awesome to behold. I look forward to your next instance of virtue signaling.

  83. @thor47

    What I spend my legally earned money on that is legally available is none of your business.

    As long as you agree to stick to what is legal even if the law changes from what you think it should be, then no one would disagree with you. But these matters are rarely completely clear cut. For example in some states it is legal to buy and smoke pot, and in others you could be sent to prison for it, so people have a right to campaign to change laws.

    When I lived overseas, pot smokers were often in court and claimed as a defense that they were smoking for religious reasons as they were Rastafarians. My view was that they should not practice their religion in secret, but have a mass ceremony in a public place, like in front of the Town Hall, and be open about it even if they risked prison. Early Christians were eaten by lions at the Colosseum, but eventually they took over the Roman Empire.

  84. @Harold Smith

    Constitutional issues notwithstanding, it’s simply not “sensible” to demand the banning of semi-automatic rifles in the name of “public safety” when there are so many other things that cause so much more death. For example, according to the FBI, 374 people were killed by “rifles” in the U.S. in 2016 (this includes all kinds of rifles, not just semi-automatic rifles), while pharmaceutical drugs kill somewhere between 20,000 and 30,000 people annually.

    The drugs that kill many people are already classified as “controlled drugs” and further regulations are being introduced to prevent promiscuous prescribing.

    I am glad that you agree that the same thing should be done with guns.

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