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In the department of What Might Have Been, we find a car almost no one who isn’t a car industry insider has ever heard of – but which very nearly was.

You haven’t heard of it for good reason.

Well, good reason . . . from the point of view of other insiders. The ones inside the government.

It is a car VW briefly brought out to show what could be done – and just as quickly withdrew. Probably because it showed what could be done.

This car was powered by a 1 liter diesel engine and achieved a verified 170 miles-per-gallon. With its hybrid drive engaged, the mileage rose to an incredible 235 MPG. Put another way, on about two gallons of diesel, this VW could go almost 500 miles before it needed more diesel. And it would only need two more gallons to travel another almost 500 miles.

How long does it take to pump 2 gallons of diesel? Not much longer than it took you to read this article so far.

How long does it take to recharge an electric car? At least as long as it takes to read a couple of chapters of Moby Dick.

How much does two gallons of diesel cost? About six bucks at current prices – to go about 500 miles. Free transportation, almost – and with almost no emissions produced, including the new “emission” (carbon dioxide). When you burn almost no fuel, you emit almost no emissions.

Fewer emissions than electric cars – which require a lot more energy to go 500 miles than that contained in two gallons of diesel.

It is probably beginning to occur to you whyyou never heard about the L1 – the name VW gave to its diesel-hybrid prototype, which has gone the way of the 100 MPG carburetor.

Except the VW was real.

VW had publicly stated its intention to get a production car based on the L1 to market by 2013. This was the apogee of VW’s diesel engine juggernaut, which had expanded to include compression-ignition offerings of almost every car it made. These were not expensive cars; they were cars almost anyone who could afford a new car could afford.

You could buy TDI-powered Golfs and Beetles and Jettas for about $22K that could peg 50-plus on the highway, which was (and still is) nearly as good as the hyper-miling plug-in Prius but much less expensive and without the battery pack and motors.

These cars were also about half the price of the least expensive electric cars then (and still) available and came without the range limitations or the recharge hassles.

Something had to be done.

It was.

VW found itself the focus of a curiously severe inquisition over picayune – almost unmeasurable – variances in exhaust emissions. Nothing that made any measurable difference in terms of air quality, at any rate.

Such variances happen often – federal regulatory rigmarole being recondite rigmarole – but these discrepancies are usually – actually, always – sorted out between the government regulators and the car companies without the severe inquisition.

Except this time.

In a historically unprecedented action, VW executives were criminally charged – and frog-marched in irons before judges, who bore down on them with the threat of hard time harder than that given to murderers – over angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin regulatory infractions which have caused no demonstrable harm to anyone.

But the L1 – and VW’s diesel engine program – threatened a great deal of harm to the then-nascent electrification putsch which was just getting under way in 2013 and which – six years later – is now ready to seize power, literally.

 

VW’s diesel program had to be stopped. And was.

The L1 and production car derivates were aborted;the L1 itself has been memory holed; it is so unknown it might as well never have existed.

This memory immolation was absolutely necessary in order to avoid the problem of unhappy comparisons between what was possible – what was on the verge of becoming available . . . and what is being forced down our throats.

While the L1 was a very small car intended as a commuter car, one can extrapolate from the capability of a 1 liter diesel to the likely capabilities of a 1.4 or so liter diesel in a subcompact car one notch smaller than the current Golf – which, recall, could get 50 on the highway with a 2.0 TDI diesel.

Maybe not 170 MPG. But probably at least 70 MPG – and for a lot less than the cost of an electric-powered mobility-reducer such as VW’s eGolf – which costs time as well as money.

It goes about 120 miles on a charge – and costs $31,000 to start.

It doesn’t take less time than it took you to read this article to recharge. It makes you sweat – literally – whether to use the AC on a hot day. And shiver as you ponder whether to turn on the heat on a cold day.

The L1 and VW’s now-defunct line of diesel-powered cars let you run the AC full blast all the time with no appreciable effect on the range. You stayed cozy on cold days – because it costs nothing, energy-wise, to run the heat as high as you liked.

Most ironically of all, VW’s ultra-efficient diesels were environmentally sounder than the electric cars being foisted upon us, if only because almost everyone could afford to drive one while most people cannot afford to drive an electric car.

What is the benefit of a “zero emissions” electric car if it’s too expensive for all but a small handful of people with the means to buy one?

Wouldn’t it be more “environmentally sound” to reduce the emissions of the cars driven by average people by whole numbers via double-digit gains in MPGs as opposed to curb-stomping VW over fractions of whole numbers differences on some arcane federal test?

Such questions don’t bear asking – because of the answers which might be forthcoming.

They must be memory-holed.

Along with the L1.

(Republished from Eric Peters Autos by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Biff says:

    Did VW get Tuckered?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_48

    Speculation exists that the Big Three automakers and Michigan Senator Homer S. Ferguson also had a role in the Tucker Corporation’s demise.

    Success can be just as frightening as failure.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @RobRich
  2. AaronB says:

    Car had only 75 horse power and retailed for $140,000.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @RadicalCenter
    , @Alfred
  3. Biff says:

    VW found itself the focus of a curiously severe inquisition over picayune – almost unmeasurable – variances in exhaust emissions. Nothing that made any measurable difference in terms of air quality, at any rate.

    So VW got punked on a technicality. That’s when you know someone has it in for you. Sucks because they make fantastic cars, and I’m a big believer in Diesel engines. My niece still drives a diesel golf that is flawless. I used to drive a Ford F-250 7.3 liter diesel, and I loved that thing – freaking front end was so heavy it had an iron grip on snow and ice – now I’m back down to a little 2.0 liter Toyota hybrid in SE Asia that can fit in a tiny parking garage(because it has to). I’d love to own that VW L1 around here – it was just too good to be true.

    • Replies: @anon
  4. Generally…..Vdubs are junk, and Audis are junk too.

    After 50K they fall apart, transmissions blow, etc.

  5. onebornfree says: • Website

    Yay! Thank you Unz.com for an article by the great libertarian Eric Peters! A joy to read – and I don’t even own a car 🙂 .

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @MEFOBILLS
  6. Electric cars are not really zero emission unless the electricity is provided by non-fossil fuel zero-emission power stations.

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Per/Norway
  7. anon[252] • Disclaimer says:

    > picayune – almost unmeasurable – variances in exhaust emissions

    Since when can “40 times higher” be honestly construed as “almost unmeasurable?”

    While this mode likely delivers higher mileage and power, it also permits heavier nitrogen-oxide emissions (NOx)—a smog-forming pollutant linked to lung cancer—up to 40 times higher than the federal limit.

    Everything You Need to Know about the VW Diesel-Emissions Scandal
    Car and Driver | January 11, 2019
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15339250/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-vw-diesel-emissions-scandal/

    Eric Peters is as believable as a typical used car salesman—which he is—not surprisingly.

  8. JackOH says:

    Eric, thanks.

    America’s car culture is a pet peeve of mine. Herewith, a few comments:

    (1) The Suzuki-built Geo Metro (GM). I had a relative who owned one. Routinely got 45-50 mpg in highway driving. Interior layout was efficient, and fold-flat rear seat and passenger seat allowed for very occasional hauling of large stuff.

    (2) Sixty years ago my local investor-owned bus company operated 22 of 24 hours a day on major routes. Adult bus fare was 15 cents when minimum wage was about a dollar an hour. How did low income folks’ lives get better with low-density housing and retail development that pretty much demanded costly privately owned motor vehicles?

    (3) Pick-up trucks. Even car enthusiasts’ magazines are noticing the pick-ups of today are kind of removed from utility. Truck beds too high to reach over, unusable jump seats, very long turning radii requiring a left jerk before turning right, step-up heights that have some older folks pulling themselves into the truck with the grab bar, parking problems.

    My 1970s Ford Pinto was rusting through and losing compression badly after 70,000 miles. Been driving Toyota ever since.

  9. anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Biff

    > punked on a technicality.

    Only if you consider lying with two sets of books—or two sets of software—a mere “technicality.”

    > That’s when you know someone has it in for you.

    Only a narcissistic psychopath would equivocate getting caught in a blatant lie with others who “have it in” for them.

    > I’m a big believer in Diesel engines

    Others of us are big believers in not getting cancer from the shit spewing out the ass end of your tailpipe at levels about which you have to construct elaborate deceptions.

    IARC classifies diesel engine exhaust as “carcinogenic to humans,” based on sufficient evidence that it is linked to an increased risk of lung cancer.

    Diesel Exhaust and Cancer
    American Cancer Society
    https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/diesel-exhaust-and-cancer.html

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  10. Amon says:

    I’d blame big oil just as fast as I would blame the electric sector.

    A wunder car like that would be a nuclear bomb to their income. And nothing makes a company move faster than a threat to its income.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  11. Clyde says:

    I really liked the VW diesel Rabbit I drove back in the early 1990s. I always figured VW got screwed with its diesel cars a few years ago. That whole blowup on cheating on emissions.

  12. Cars are a personal lifestyle statement first, transportation second. Despite all the pressure put on them by the green gangsters they wisely nixed it. People don’t like driving tinny economy cars when they can afford large, safe, quite and comfortable SUV’s. Besides, diesel engines are expensive and not suited to repeated stops and cold starts required by hybrids. Highly efficient direct injection gasoline engines also suffer from major carbon build up issues from repeated cold starts. The old carburator dripping a little gas in the manifold is actually the best solution for longevity in a hybrid.

    The take down of VW was extremely crass, but over the decades we have become desensitized to ZOG empire bullying. Crass because BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Ford and GM all had the same issues, but VW was singled out.

    We can see the exact same thing going on with Huawei today. The entire Swiss banking system based on financial privacy was taken down and the wealth forced into US and UK tax haves. Nordstream II and the entire Ukrainian orange revolution were to a large degree a take down of Gazprom. The list goes on and on. Zionist gangsters create their policies in Israel and then use US muscle to enforce it.

  13. Technological stagnation case study.

    Counterinsurgency

  14. Parfois1 says:

    What is the benefit of a “zero emissions” electric car if it’s too expensive for all but a small handful of people with the means to buy one?

    You answered the question. Would it be the case that what it is intended is to have fewer cars on the road? You know, less pollution, less infrastructure, less mobility, etc. Maybe there is a time to come when owning a car will be a prerogative of the well-off… a privilege like in the good old days.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Amon
  15. refl says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The great thing about electric cars: When they catch fire in an accident, you cannot extingish the fire, because the whole chemical stuff in the batteries keeps reacting. I would not really call the black smoke from a burning car zero emnission.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  16. polistra says: • Website

    Well, if the author thinks a high-priced and totally useless car is a good thing, Tesla can give him just what he wants.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  17. @Parfois1

    Parfois 1,

    I don’t know much about it but off the cuff I would have thought that electric cars should be much cheaper than engine cars, just a battery and a motor, and that they would make cleaner and cheaper private transport even more affordable for the masses. Diesel and petrol engine driven cars seem to be much more elaborate affairs, and after all electric cars were the first ones around before the petrol fuel industry came on the scene. They’ve probably purposely marked up electric cars to rip off rich snobs instead of pricing them appropriately so that every Joe could own one.

  18. Amon says:
    @Parfois1

    I think its more likely a means of forcing a greater number of people into debt slavery to the global banking cartels than creating a blatant class divide symbol. Our current social setup requires a highly mobile public to follow the flow of jobs as they shuffle around the nation.

    What I do find odd, is that this time around Big Oil is not getting their hands dirty like they did nearly thirty years ago when they helped kill off the General Motors EV1.

    On a different note, expect the push towards electric cars to follow the script that Obama care came with. A demand to obtain such a car under threat of economic punishment for refusing or failing to do so coupled with a demand to buy specific brands.

    It will fit in nicely with the unspoken off brand of corruption that all government are so good at, that is, the promotion and protection of corporations that government members own shares of or stocks in regardless of their ability to actually deliver.

  19. What happened to the idea of the quickly replaceable battery which began to get off the ground in Israel, and, I think, Denmark. I think the company was called Better Place (it’s Australian subsidiary was anyway). It’s founding CEO was, from memory, Shai Agassi. Why didn’t it succeed? It’s big idea was solving the problem the gasoline fuelled motor vehicle faced in the early 1900s, namely, where could you buy fuel?

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  20. onebornfree says: • Website

    Eric Peters says: “….In a historically unprecedented action, VW executives were criminally charged – and frog-marched in irons before judges, who bore down on them with the threat of hard time harder than that given to murderers – over angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin regulatory infractions which have caused no demonstrable harm to anyone….”

    I’m sorry to have to inform you, Mr Peters, but this point is way, way, way over the heads of most of the brainwashed, statist, “green” [ in more ways than one] proto- zombie commie/nazi morons both here and elsewhere. They usually relish such actions, as long as they are implemented against somebody else [ ie “evil capitalists”], and not themselves. “Stoopid is as stoopid does” , as they say 🙂

    Eric Peters says: “…Wouldn’t it be more “environmentally sound” to reduce the emissions of the cars driven by average people by whole numbers via double-digit gains in MPGs as opposed to curb-stomping VW over fractions of whole numbers differences on some arcane federal test?…..”

    First: logic and “environmental sound[ness]”[ let alone lower costs for consumers], is not what drives these EPA nazis and their minions. You need to get that notion out of your head, and pronto! Their continued existence is largely dependent on being bribed/ bought off by the highest bidder, in this case most likely inefficient car and gas companies, both of whom always need to eliminate anything resembling free- market competition for the consumer by “any means necessary”, and who know full well that they could not survive in the market without bribing the EPA etc.

    Second: you’re forgetting to mention that the EPA is an entirely unconstitutional [and entirely criminal] subset of the larger, entirely criminal, federal government .

    Third : the EPA has NO authority to make/enforce ANY laws, which is the sole responsibility of the criminal org called Congress [as you well know], so it euphemistically and conveniently makes what is known as”rules” instead. Except that its “rules” somehow are “laws”, even though they are not, and never can be.

    The EPA, like the FBI, CIA, SEC, FDA, NSA, Dept. of Transport, Homeland Security etc etc etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum, are all fully criminal scams; that is: unconstitutional expansions of the main scam known as the US federal government, and all need to be eliminated as quickly as possible, if not sooner!

    Great article, thanks. Regards onebornfree

    • Replies: @anon
    , @JP
  21. Mike P says:
    @AaronB

    Car had only 75 horse power and retailed for $140,000.

    It was only to be built in some 100 copies or so – that explains the price tag. A large production run would have brought down the price considerably.

  22. @Wizard of Oz

    They went bust, it turns out nobody wants to swap out major parts of their car on a regular basis, Tesla tried something similar, same result, people are just not interested in battery swapping

  23. unit472 says:

    Interesting problem in Sweden’s cities that is going to affect EV’s. Sweden has plentiful electric power generation but high carbon taxes so Swedish electric utilities are shutting down their fossil fuel generating plants. Because of grid constraints in getting hydro electric and wind power into Stockholm and Malmo new hookups are being rationed and factory expansions are being banned. Just how in the hell people are supposed to charge mandated EVs in such energy constrained cities is something the Greens have not explained. I just bet the same problem will hit Germany when Merkel shuts down Germany’s nuclear power plants in 2022.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    , @SteveK9
  24. Aptera was a company I really wanted to succeed, they had a strange looking but IMO cool car which was even more efficient than the VW L1, but due to internal sabotage they never made it to production

  25. VW, like several other German companies, has been actively targetted by the US to pave the way for better connected US interests. They could open all the US factories they might find possible to build, but without an appropriate level of K-Street lobbying and palm-greasing in the Capitol, they never stood a chance.

    BTW, my diesel SUV gets somewhat in excess of 50-mpg at French Autoroute speeds (circa , 110kph/70mph) and even a respectable 40-mpg or so doing 180kph/110mph on German Autobahns, wind cross-section being the primary limiting factor. Joule for joule, especially when all externalities are considered, diesel is superior to electric.

  26. @anon

    Since when can “40 times higher” be honestly construed as “almost unmeasurable?”

    Narrative Clingers. Of course this lie was endlessly drilled into the minute remaining brains of the sheeple, just like the fable of Al Gore and the disappearing polar bears.

    The defeat software was provided by Bosch, part of the Common Rail tool kit. Most diesel manufacurers are using Bosch injection and had access to the exact same tools, any many others used them. Only VW got nailed.

    Second of all, the defeat was only activated under certain circumstances, not when the automobile is in a steady state at one speed. The EPA never would have found it it hadn’t been pointed out, and VW would have been allowed a pay off or small penalty if there wasn’t a bigger purpose. The “40 times higher” is the same kind of garbage Al Gore is claiming in Milwaukee at merely one of the worlds “Climate Conferences” going on right now:

    https://news.yahoo.com/al-gore-visits-minneapolis-climate-232143033.html

    The energy trapped by man made global warming pollution is now equivalent to 500,000 Hiroshima atom bombs per day 365 days per year

    Please note that even today Al Gore and his sycophants are still bitterly clinging to the global warming narrative. Meanwhile, back in Pedoland we have:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7311015/Google-splashes-20million-Italian-climate-change-party.html

    114 private jets, plus who knows how many mega-yachts, yet schmucks like the Gillet Jaune are driven to bankruptcy by ever increasing carbon taxes on their small ultra efficient Renault, Citroens and Peugeot diesels.

    Clearly concern for pollution or emissions is totally irrelevant when it comes to compromises in the personal lifestyles of the elite, and hence we can logically assume that they are irrelevant for everyone else too because it is the elites who create the policy to change these things. Their solution is PC indulgences based on carbon “credits”.

    What is very disconcerting about the VW witch hunt is how they personally hounded the VW executives. Of course they did exactly the same thing when they extradited Swiss UBS bankers for violating US tax law in 2008 while letting the far worse Macotta/Panama scandal go completely uninvestigated. It’s like the passports and manifestos found at all these “terrorist” events. A repeating pattern of truth rippling through to the surface of all their lies.

    Right now the focus of their scorn is Huawei, whose chief executive is sitting in a Canadian jail waiting extradition to the US for what? Defying ZOG. It happened to Libya, UBS, VW and now Huawei.

    • Agree: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Leo
    , @anon
  27. @refl

    This happens often where you live? Time to move.

    I’m just hassling you. You make a fair point. But a car catching on fire would seem to be a very rare occurrence, compared to the net pollution reduction that’s possible with plugins and plugin hybrids overall.

    Nicht wahr?

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Wally
  28. @AaronB

    If that is true, it was Kinda convenient for Peters to leave that fact out.

    Do you have a link?
    Thank you —

    On the other hand, price could well come down a lot as volume of production increases.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  29. @Amon

    That was my first thought, too. I guess you could say the article had a ‘surprise ending’.

  30. George says:

    “How long does it take to pump 2 gallons of diesel? Not much longer than it took you to read this article so far.” You have to add the time to get to and from the gas station and figure on the annoyance of pumping your own fuel or dealing with a third world pump-person. Pet auto peeve, why can’t they design a better pumping system?

    “How long does it take to recharge an electric car? At least as long as it takes to read a couple of chapters of Moby Dick.” About as long as it takes to browse the latest fashion Crocs at the premium outlet mall while your Tesla is parked at the supercharger next to the mall entrance (Bentley parking is with the peons, up to a quarter mile away). Alternatively, about as long as it takes to watch a movie while your car is parked in your garage. The charging issue here is the mall is in a more robust electric grid than your home so it can handle people showing up randomly with empty Teslas, mass home charging may be a fantasy.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  31. Sparkon says:

    As a bicycle rider, I can tell you that all diesels blow dead bears.

    It’s an absolute gag attack to be behind a diesel of any kind while on a bicycle. At least in some municipalities, the diesel buses have their exhausts elevated toward the top of the vehicle, so it doesn’t blow directly in your face.

    That VW L1 somehow reminds me a little of that dinky car Sam Lowry drove in Brazil

    I’d rather be on a motorcycle than crammed into that little thing, except on rainy days, when I’d probably take the bus, or just drive.

    In addition to my nice hybrid bicycle, I also have an SUV that doesn’t get very good mileage, but which accepts my bike intact into the rear area with the seats folded down so I don’t even have to remove the handlebars or front wheel either one to get my bike into my SUV. Most of the time I use the vehicle to haul groceries. Previously, I lived in a neighborhood where I could do most of my shopping at a nearby market, and could haul groceries simply by hanging them off the front handlebars in the neat little lightweight plastic bags the idiots have now banned.

    Many electric and hybrid-vehicle enthusiasts buy into the entirely idiotic idea that electric vehicles are cleaner or somehow better for “the environment” than a traditional ICE-powered car.

    We can thank Bonehead Barry for his war on fossil fuels that has succeeded in driving up the cost of everything — just as he promised it would — and which must be playing some role in the increasing homelessness in the USA.

    In Los Angeles, the city council just renewed the ban on sleeping in vehicles because it’s much better to have those homeless folks sleeping on the sidewalks. Or something.

  32. I wonder if our guest-author would care to explain if/how this is related to the VW emissions scandal a few years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

    • Replies: @razzle
  33. @polistra

    Tesla vehicles are indeed still too expensive for our family. But they are coming down substantially from the stratosphere. From $100 k to $78 k to $48 k and still declining.

    Such a vehicle would be far from useless for us. Depends where you live, of course, especially in these early years with a dearth of charging stations (or battery-swap stations).

    We live in LA. Consistently among the highest gas prices in the mainland US, and a good and expanding charging network. Including chargers in our building and on the streets all around us at home, at work, and the places we go on the weekends. So we will seriously consider a Tesla or other plugin vehicle if they can get the price of the base model down a bit more.

    Never having to maintain or repair any internal-combustion engine parts,

    never having to buy gas (at $3.00 to $4.25 per gallon in the past decade or so, with prices up to $5 if you get stuck in a place without many stations and/or an especially wealthy neighborhood).

    That’s worth a lot to us, though of course the calculation will be different if gas prices are lower where you are or if you don’t have enough charging or swapping stations near you yet, as most people don’t.

    Also, not having tailpipes spewing poison directly into our children’s lungs on every street should be worth something too. Is it better to have somewhat less emission of poisons, starting at the electric-power plants, or slightly (or much) more emissions right in our faces where we work, live, and walk? There is no nonpolluting option, and “less bad” is progress.

  34. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    If only. Three wheeled micro cars were a thing in Europe after WW 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isetta

    People ditched them as soon as they could afford to.

    Meanwhile, a barrel of oil can be cracked to produce varying amounts of particular distilliates, but only up tp a limit. Diesel is heavier than gasoline, so there are more hydrocarbons per gallon than gasoline. Thats where most of the improved milage comes from.

    Its dirtier stuff, so it needs more complicated stuff to clean up the emissions.

    European tax schemes tax cars by engine size, so diesels are cheaper there. As well as fuel tax differences.

    Hey, I’m all for micro/bubble cars. But there isn’t much new here.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  35. refl says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Es kommt nicht oft vor, solange es wenig entsprechende Fahrzeuge gibt. But that will change, when there are more.
    For the rest, to obtain the material necessary for the construction of the batteries, the effort is so enormous and so outright dirty and lethal for the workers, that the overall balance is negative.
    When I drove VW diesel cars, the consunption was always a third lower then with petrol.

    • Replies: @Fox
  36. AFAIK the replaceable battery idea was quickly found to be a non-starter, because it would necessarily demand the production of a multiple number of batteries than actually required for the global fleet of electric cars. As things stand today, the major obstacle to the large-scale introduction of electric cars are the various problems (scarcity, cost, environmental, political/strategic) associated with the supply of the raw materials required for the manufacturing process of the batteries (most particularly lithium, whose market is nearly completely controlled by China), as well as the similar problems linked to the disposal of exhausted batteries than cannot be recharged. Aiming at a gigantic inventory of replaceable batteries (I’ll say, at least 10 times the number of electric cars around would be required), would exacerbate the severity of these problems by at least an order of magnitude.

  37. refl says:
    @Sparkon

    That car in the film is the famous Messerschmidt Kabinenroller of which I still saw very few on the street as a child. It was a symbol of German reconstruction after the war. Even when I saw it, the enterprise that built it had long since gone down.
    If you own an SUV, you are no bicycle rider. Myself, I have never owned a car and spent some 25 years with my driving licence nicely stored at home.
    Only with my family, I have taken to occasionly rent cars of any type. And I can tell you, that with a Diesel you have by far the lowest consumption.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  38. And lovers of zero emission electric cars will have no problem with this:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/seriously-you-just-couldnt-make-this-up/

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  39. @Sparkon

    It’s an absolute gag attack to be behind a bicycle of any kind while driving a diesel.

    FIFY.

    I assume that you live in the US, Sparkon. Diesel in the US has such a high sulfur content that most European diesels cannot function there. One problem with sulfur is that it wears out injectors quickly, especially high pressure common rail injectors. When this happens, diesels produce soot.

    In Europe, where cars are regularly inspected and diesel has little or no sulfur, these sooty diesel incidents are as few and far between as smokey gasoline cars spewing oil-laced smoke.

    This entire VW set up was never about soot anyway, it was always about NoX. These are two different pollution issues.

    Finally, as a country dweller who despises LA and everything to do with it, we are constantly being bullied by city dwellers who don’t like the high density life style that they have chosen for themselves. If a city dweller doesn’t like tailpipe emissions, then ban cars in YOUR CITY. Don’t force expensive, ever changing pointless pollution policies on country people who don’t have the same problems. This happens everywhere, especially in Europe. All of England has to live with London’s lunatic pollution solutions, just like all of Europe is forced to kowtow to self hating green city dwellers in Brussels.

    • Agree: bomag, Clyde
  40. Maxi says:

    Here in Germany, this project is known by anyone interested in automobiles. People who want something like it by the Twike.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twike
    These can be encountered sometimes, but these exist.
    I like vehicles like this, but if you do serious business, you will find out the limitations fast.

    • Replies: @Kartoffelstampfer
  41. @JackOH

    “(2) Sixty years ago my local investor-owned bus company operated 22 of 24 hours a day on major routes. Adult bus fare was 15 cents when minimum wage was about a dollar an hour. How did low income folks’ lives get better with low-density housing and retail development that pretty much demanded costly privately owned motor vehicles?”

    Look at the cause. I don’t want to steer the topic of course but suburban development was the result of white flight, which was the result of southern blacks taking up residence (backed by threat of government force) in northern cities and bringing their issues with them.

    So your point about quality of life is granted, but the alternative was close proximity and higher probability of being subjected to criminality, much of that violent.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @MEFOBILLS
  42. razzle says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    He updated the article just for you.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  43. @anon

    If you liked the Istta take a look at the Microlino

    I’m not sure if the Microlino would sell well in the US but depending on price it might be a success in Europe and Asia

    • Replies: @George
  44. Alfred says:
    @AaronB

    Car had only 75 horse power and retailed for $140,000.

    The car, as can be seen from the photo, is small and extremely simple. No new technology. It could have been retailed at half the price of a VW Golf.

    All the laws about “pollution” and car efficiency are made by politicians. We should all know by now that politicians are for sale.

    I really cannot wait for this electric-car nonsense to come to its natural end. I guess it will happen when the grid collapses somewhere like California – which is hugely dependent on importing electricity from Canada and other states.

  45. @RadicalCenter

    R.C.
    I will step out of “character” for this comment. (Instead of mocking G.W. Bush)

    Honest questions, not trying to snark –
    What are the electricity rates in CA?
    What is the electricity cost portion of EV ownership/operation in dollars?
    I understand a significant percentage of CA electricity is imported from neighboring states. Some of that electricity generation is from King Coal. With CA restricting electricity generation to only methods deemed renewable by TPTB, CA will likely import more out-of-state electricity. How will that impact TPTB and their carbon-reduction plans? Winds drift wherever.

    Personally, I think we should let the engineers cooperate with the accountants to figure out an economical “all of the above” solution that keeps moving the ball toward ever-lesser pollution. Instead of mandates and subsidies written by politician-lawyers who probably did not major in science or engineering for their undergrad.

    Now, back to “character”:
    Hey there buddy – mah Daddy’s buddys at The Carlisle Group got this here electron car thang covered – they done went and bought up most o’ them lithium minds and will make out like bandits when they create a battery shortage! Like they always done with these new-fangled thangs!
    Signed, “W”

  46. Sparkon says:
    @refl

    If you own an SUV, you are no bicycle rider.

    Wrong!

    I just purchased a new Trek Verve 2, to replace my worn-out 2003 Trek 7100 hybrid which easily had 1000s of miles on it, perhaps more, and it had replaced my previous Trek ’97 Trek 700 Hybrid, which I had worn out, as well.

    I grew up riding a bike, 24″ and 26″ heavyweights with balloon tires and coaster brakes. I rode a Schwinn 10-speed in college, and have been riding a bike for most of my life. I’ve got the powerful thighs to prove it.

    Now I live in the mountains. There is no way I can feed myself without a vehicle. So kindly eat crap and howl at the Moon with your arbitrary pronouncements.

    • Replies: @refl
    , @Alfred
  47. Many electric and hybrid-vehicle enthusiasts buy into the entirely idiotic idea that electric vehicles are cleaner or somehow better for “the environment” than a traditional ICE-powered car.

    Plenty of people have looked into this and ran the numbers, and yes EVs have less emissions than ICE. how much all depends on where you live, in Norway where the grid is close to 100% Hydro then an EV really does have zero emissions, even if your grid is 100% coal powered an EV works out better than ICE. As cheap natural gas kills coal EVs will have less emissions as the grid gets cleaner

  48. @anon

    Eric isn’t a used car salesman. He’s a veteran professional car reviewer who has been writing car reviews for a living for 25+ years. You’re a liar. No wonder you don’t have a screen name. Shill.

    • Replies: @mark green
    , @anon
  49. @Commentator Mike

    they are not zero emission even when their power is provided by non-fossil fuel either🤔😉 how do the batteries get their raw material?
    how do bodypanels get built and where do the raw material come from?
    You clearly have not thought this trough..

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  50. @anon

    the wokeness and status quo shilling in your comment gave me goosebumps. not the positive kind

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Herald
  51. germanguy says:

    you could also point out the 2014 VW XL1, the follow up model of the L1. similar in terms of efficiency but much better design wise.

  52. @Maxi

    “People who want something like it buy the Twike.”

    LOL. Try pedalling over the Alps to Italy with your family and all your holiday equipment on a Twike, or even a L1.

    Take the Train? Transfer at Frankfurt, Milan and Rome with your tired grouchy children through multiple Gypsy and Somali infested, disease ridden train stations known for child kidnapping? Get your privacy intruded and your children bio-stamped by flying through airports and then have to deal with local public transport in Southern Italy?

    Or drive your multipurpose 50mpg VW Passat 2.0 diesel with a great entertainment system and have safe, clean transportation for the entire family when you arrive.

    • Replies: @Maxi
  53. Bubba says:
    @unit472

    EV’s are are bankrupting pipe dream. Household and small commercial electric ratepayers will fund those who can afford EV’s.

    Our currently exploding electric costs (thanks to Wall St. billionaires funding their ‘Green Gestapo”) will continue into the stratosphere because more power plants, transmission and distribution lines must be built to support EV’s. Building a combustion turbine power plant (forget coal and nuclear) ain’t cheap even if you can get the air permits (and have the water). And sorry, solar and wind can’t do it despite all the hyperventilating cheerleading and tax subsidies. The electric grid must be supported 24 X 7 X 365, not intermittently by unpredictable solar and wind.

    The North American grid would most likely collapse if 10% of the cars on the road were to go EV. Good luck getting new high voltage transmission lines built especially after the PG&E bankruptcy. And EV’s are also a tremendous load on local distribution systems especially during peak demand (but I’m sure the elites will keep their charging stations, air-conditioning and heat during rolling blackouts).

    Our national grid is already is a disastrous mess …

  54. @Bubba

    On a micro level, imagine the electric infrastructure required when a large multi-unit building has to support 20 EV’s that all plug in their 1000 Amp chargers when they get home at 6pm?

    Every apartment building will be an EV gas station.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
    , @SteveK9
  55. SteveK9 says:
    @unit472

    Nuclear Power. EVs need to be paired with Nuclear Power to make sense. And, they do. Battery technology only needs to get somewhat better (faster charging) and cheaper for EVs to be practical. The other side of the equation … nuclear power is going to take longer, but it will happen. 2+2 = 4 and in the end nuclear is the rational choice.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  56. @Kartoffelstampfer

    Its not a big issue, in Norway EVs are over 50% of the new car market, so by now they must have apartment buildings with 20+ EVs charging

    • Replies: @Kartoffelstampfer
  57. SteveK9 says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    It’s not a problem, demand drops at night, for obvious reasons … people are in the dark, asleep.

    • Replies: @Kartoffelstampfer
  58. @anon

    Here’s how the scam works:
    In 1974, I had been out of the country long enough to buy a car and ship it back duty free. I had a used Mini that was plenty zippy, and got over 50mpg (Imperial). I went to a Mini dealer, in Britain, and asked about buying one. The savings were significant, but I was floored when I was told that I couldn’t get one that I wanted, because the emissions were about 4% over the EPA. I would get one “tuned” for North America and the EPA, which had about 42mpg (Imperial) rating, or 16% more fuel consumed. To play the EPA emissions game, the car polluted more.

    As for Diesel engines, they were originally designed to run on vegetable oil, and there are a couple in my city that are run on “refined” vegetable oil from restaurant deep fryers, and have virtually no emissions. We are supposed to believe that the failure of them becoming popular is due to Rudolf Diesel becoming so depressed on his way to England to cut a deal for his engine with a car manufacturer, that he jumped off the ferry and drowned.

    The EPA ratings were put in place as trade barriers as much as environmental protection.

  59. @Twodees Partain

    Thank you for setting the record straight. Eric Peters is always worth reading.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  60. @George

    I still haven’t figured out how the mass charging will work in Florida when a hurricane evacuation notice is given for Southern Florida.

    • Replies: @George
  61. @(((They))) Live

    Its not a big issue, in Norway EVs are over 50% of the new car market, so by now they must have apartment buildings with 20+ EVs charging

    lol. 50% of new car market does not mean that 50% of the cars in the garage are electric, let alone that they are charging. What is proportion of electrics that are second cars? Has Norway handed out massive subsidies for new infrastructure from its >$1Trillion gas and oil “trust fund”?

    Clearly, idiotic self-hating, self-genociding Scandanavians can offer no leadership on realistic transportation solutions for the US.

    • Replies: @(((The))) Live
  62. @Bubba

    If you’re betting against EVs what you’re really betting against is future improvements in battery technology

    Almost every person alive now owns at least one electronic gadget with a battery, and we all want better batteries, every major electronics company in the world is pouring billions into battery research, so IMO batteries will continue to get better in every way, AND the cost per kWh will keep falling. The idea that EVs are some passing fad is foolish

  63. @SteveK9

    Get home at 6pm. Turn on the lights. Turn on the TV. Turn up the heat. Heat water after shower. Turn on the oven and the stove and other appliances. After dinner have a coffee and start the dishwasher. Start a load of laundry. Go to bed at 11pm.

    5 hours of peak consumption before counting “super charging”. Greenies are such idiots.

  64. @Kartoffelstampfer

    I know, it takes more than a decade for a country to change its fleet of cars, I’m not claiming that 50% of cars in Norway are electric, I’m saying that if EVs are over 50% or the new car market then there most be large apartment buildings with multiple EVs charging at night. think about it

    I know a few people with EVs they all charge them at night, after midnight electricity is cheaper, I assume its the same in Norway, its clearly not a big problem

    • Replies: @Kartoffelstampfer
  65. @(((The))) Live

    you’re really betting against is future improvements in battery technology

    No, I am betting on the inability of the planet to deliver enough rare earth elements and metals to even start to electrify a fraction of the planets internal combustion powered fleets of transport.

    And No, I am betting that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was not a forgery, and that the long term plan is for me any my entire family to either be eliminated or enslaved and the elites to become transhuman demi-gods. The idea that the elites are simply going to replace billions of combustion engined automobiles with billions of heavy metal laced massive battery powered cars is absurd.

    Sure, the (((1%))) may end up driving electrics, and we might manage to beat an AI robot for the job of chauffeur for Mr. Rosenberg based on personality, but otherwise the fantasy of an all electric future is just millennial rainbows and unicorns pablum.

    • Agree: Poco, Bubba
    • Replies: @Bubba
  66. – The Russians have a saying to the effect the Germans have even invented the devil 😀

    This cute little bastard of a Porsche and a Messerschmitt Kabinenroller is the future, but it is a design study; their first real 3-liter car, the Lupo, was already in production (translating to 78.4 US mpg; would you deign to adopt the metric system already … pretty please? 😛 ) meaning 200 mpg are within easy reach for personal transport.

    – The nitrogen oxides are actually a sign of how clean and efficient the combustion is by now – no more soot and polyaromates, the actual carcinogens in Diesel exhaust. Sure, in higher concentrations they affect the mucous membranes (acid) but so does carbon dioxide; anyone for banning that? They do not accumulate but are washed out by the next rain and gobbled up by plants – if anything they aid in denitrification of surface water.
    The level of discussion reminds me of the great dihydrogen monoxide scare (“[] one of the most potent solvents known to man – every single year, hundreds of thousands of humans perish from dihydrogen monoxide aspiration … to illustrate how dangerous it is, anyone holding his head in a bucket of dihydrogen monoxide is dead in less than five minutes etc”)
    IIRC one community in California is on record banning the use of dihydrogen monoxide within their jurisdiction 😛

    – China does not control the lithium (that would be Chile and Colombia), just the rare earths – it´s not the batteries, it´s the motors (and a host of other electronics).

    – Apart from short-range city-shuttling (which is quite a fraction), e-cars are energetic and environmental seppuku. Electricity is way more energy intensive to produce, transport and especially store – and much of it is then wasted hauling the battery around, which lasts about 1000 cycles, is a fire hazard and not spectacularly healthy to produce or inhale either.
    Fuel cells sound good but safe hydrogen tanks weigh as much as batteries (and use more rare metals) and the cells last about 100 hours at best. Plus none of the above address fine and nanodust, which would remain the same.

    The entire Diesel hysteria has all the trappings of an orchestrated witch hunt, and it is obvious from (((whence))).
    Is it against Diesel per se? Not likely – there is no substitute whatsoever in trucking and shipping.
    So it´s against the German automobile industry? Pleeez. Who could possibly have an interest in THAT?! 😉
    My guess, as good as anyone else´s, is (((they))) are sitting on mounds of worthless Tesla paper.
    If they could start a war in Sierra Leone just to keep diamond prices up this shouldn´t be beyond them either.

    • Agree: Kartoffelstampfer
  67. Fox says:
    @refl

    In addition, where would the electricity to replace the enormous amount of energy used daily by cars come from? Furthermore, power lines the capacity of which are suited for today’s needs would have to be expanded to carry this extra load, and electric motors require copper, bearing metals, batteries other materials such as lithium salts, etc.
    As regards Wind Power, the propeller blades are made of aluminum or titanium, materials which are mad by electrolysis, i.e., through a very substantial consumption of electricity.
    Diesel engines have both theoretically as well as practically a higher efficiency (extract more energy from fuel) than four-stroke Otto engines, hence switching to Diesel immediately reduces fuel needs and emissions.
    All of this has to considered if one wants to make a fair comparison of the new technology with the old one.
    The point made in the article is a good one, namely to have motors with a much improved fuel consumption will immediately reduce emissions and production needs substantially, while replacing existing, proven-to-work, reliable technology with an entirely new product “electrical car” will at best in the long term accomplish reductions in emissions.

    The whole anti-combustion engine campaign reminds me of the formerly laughed-about public work programs in the Eastern Bloc, but legislating new technologies and forbidding old ones is just the same thing, a laughable measure by green “experts” to jack up the economy and very likely to serve special interests. These people are not beyond being venable.
    These green “experts” have variously shown that in their youth they forewent attending school and job training, or obtaining a Ph.D. degree by honest means, but they are big at knowing best.

    • Replies: @refl
  68. @(((The))) Live

    I’m saying that if EVs are over 50% or the new car market then there most be large apartment buildings with multiple EVs charging at night. think about it

    You are saying electric cars ==> updated infrastructure.

    Sorry, you have presented zero evidence to support this conjecture. First of all how many electric car owner currently charge their car in the basement of high rises? Please provide some statistics.

    I know a few people with EVs they all charge them at night, after midnight electricity is cheaper,I assume its the same in Norway

    What country are you in? What is the proportion of the fleet that is currently electric, and what proportion are charged in underground parking garages at night?

    I’ll bet these “they all charge them at night” are in single family homes with independent power connections to the grid that don’t need to be fortified, and I will further bet that the owners have no clue how their new energy consumption habits may have negatively affected the power supplies. Germany and all of the Nordic countries have massively invested in Solar. Solar doesn’t work when you come home after work, especially in winter. So Germany and others are forced to buy electricity to fill the void created by ridiculously subsidized electric vehicles. So Germany is forced to create millions of tons of carbon pollution by burning loads of Natural Gas, imported from eeeevil Russia in order to charge the heavy metal loaded batteries of electric cars that would never be economic without massive forced transfers of wealth to socialist voting leftist greenies.

    This is not evidence of economic viability.

  69. Skeptikal says:
    @anon

    I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Diesel technology had taken quantum leaps in the direction of radically increased efficiency and reducing exhaust.

    One of the hits resulting from a search of “Most advanced diesel technology”:

    https://www.fleetequipmentmag.com/diesel-technology-climate-benefits/

    • Replies: @Alfred
  70. Skeptikal says:

    On the topic of burying promising technology that threatens entrenched interests,
    don’t forget “Who Killed the Electric Car?”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

    Like in Murder on the Orient Express,
    a whole cast of characters had a hand in the hit.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  71. refl says:
    @Fox

    These green “experts” have variously shown that in their youth they forewent attending school and job training,

    The chairman of the German Green Party just went viral with an interview where she talks about new batteries that can function without cobalt – and she constantly calls it Kobold, which is a goblin. This woman, whom I would call cute if she wasn’t so stupid that it turns one off immediately, is quite likely to end up as a minister in the federal government in the very next years.
    The same person already a year ago in an interview said that the storage problem for renewable electric energy would be resolved by ‘using the grid for storage’ – and she continued that she ‘did not want to hear again that this does not work’.

    If you believe that the current German government is composed of idiots, you have no clue of what still is in store. The German Green Party is basically a CIA creation. I have to marvel at their creativity and even their nerve to inflict idiots as politicans on their satrapy.

  72. refl says:
    @Sparkon

    You are right. I would not suggest the way I live to anyone, and away from the population centers it is simply impossible.
    My point was that SUVs are the most deadly thing to encounter in an accident, as the front is to high for a pedestrian or cyclist to roll over it.
    It has its merits for people living in the countryside or even mountains. I meet them mostly with helicopter parents as drivers in front of inner city primary schools.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  73. @(((The))) Live

    I´d be interested in ideas …

    battery power density cannot be raised further – they are at the end of the periodic tether.
    (unless they go flywheel, something I do not wish to contemplate)
    Theoretical motor efficiency is approaching 60% – no room for improvement.
    High-temperature superconductors might increase energy density and save weight somewhat as well as obviate the need for Co, Sm, Nd and Dy.
    Carbon nanotubes or polyenes might still save some weight on the chassis.

    And that´s it 🙁

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Drizzt Do'Urden
  74. The Volkswagen L1 had a 39 horsepower engine in a tandem two-seat body with a curb weight of 839 pounds.

    This is not a practical vehicle that would ever see mass sales in the absence of regulatory mandates or massive subsidies.

    It also cost more than €100,000.

    So it’s actually quite similar to EVs, though even less viable.

    That said it is true that with present manufacturing technology EVs are a poor value proposition suited only to high-income consumers who take no long trips and prefer the driving characteristics of EVs for whatever reason (more low-end torque, quieter operation, etc). Subsidizing or mandating them is mostly irrational.

    The maintenance advantages of an electric powertrain exist, but are overblown. Modern internal combustion engines need very little service beyond oil changes in their first 100,000 miles of operation, which is a longer distance than the typical consumer owns a new car.

    It’s true that EVs have no tailpipe emissions (or tail pipe at all), but the tailpipe emissions of modern cars are already extremely low. Carbon emissions are admittedly a more serious problem, and on that basis there’s a case for systematically promoting transit electrification globally.

    But in light of the high manufacturing costs of EVs and their operational limitations, it should be remembered that there is much lower-hanging fruit to pick in the battle against carbon. Atomophobia for instance must be globally suppressed, and all atomophobes must be sent to concentration camps–or executed by the state. And we certainly cannot have zero emissions transportation as long as atomophobia remains a force in this world.

    I also see some people citing Norway as an example of EV success.

    This is in fact a failure of irrational government policy. Norway is a sparsely populated country which is a net exporter of oil and has a current account surplus. Promoting EVs is objectively not in the interests of Norway, and the promotion policy is typical Nordicuck virtue-signaling. Norwegians should be outraged at their government about this.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  75. @obwandiyag

    Are you an atomophobe?

    If so you should be shot, or at least interred at a nuclear “waste” storage site.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  76. Agent76 says:

    October 12, 2018 The Electric Revolution: Move Aside Lithium, Vanadium Is the New Super-Metal for Bigger Batteries

    Vanadium is lithium on steroids—wildly bigger and the only way forward from here. We may have already reached the peak of our electric revolution through batteries with lithium.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-electric-revolution-move-aside-lithium-vanadium-is-the-new-super-metal-for-bigger-batteries/5656719

    Feb 8, 2016 Are Electric Cars Really Green?

    Are electric cars greener than conventional gasoline cars? If so, how much greener? What about the CO2 emissions produced during electric cars’ production? And where does the electricity that powers electric cars come from?

    Apr 21, 2016 Fossil Fuels: The Greenest Energy

    To make earth cleaner, greener and safer, which energy sources should humanity rely on? Alex Epstein of the Center for Industrial Progress explains how modern societies have cleaned up our water, air and streets using the very energy sources you may not have expected–oil, coal and natural gas.

    • Replies: @anon
  77. Voltara says:

    Are there any independent tests of the 170MPG claim? VW has form when it comes to misreporting engine performance

  78. @obwandiyag

    ‘Evil shill. Monster.’

    How can you be so consistently idiotic?

    I mean, I’ve got some fairly dim-witted neighbors. Just by the luck of the draw, they make a fair number of perfectly valid observations I agree with.

    You? Never. It’s amazing. It’s a gift — if a perverse one.

  79. @Thorfinnsson

    Are you an atomophobe?

    If so you should be shot, or at least interred at a nuclear “waste” storage site.

    Now then. I’m sure there’s an appropriate place for Owandiyag somewhere. Perhaps loading large orders of sacks of concrete at Home Depot or something.

  80. The blueprints for that engine should be made open-source.

  81. PeterMX says:

    No wonder Germany doesn’t lead in anything anymore and no wonder Europe continuously gets their pants beaten off them by Asia. I recall a few situations over the years that provides evidence that they don’t want to lead in anything, as strange as it sounds.

  82. Maxi says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    I mentioned these vehicles are not for everyone and purpose. Ever really left the Internet? I traveled Italy by train, it’s safe. Rail is even faster and better than in Germany. Law enforcement is present, even military. Chances for a catastrophe to happen are higher driving xx hours.

  83. George says:
    @Curmudgeon

    How will mass charging will work in Florida

    Are the power plants offline or are the power lines offline? If the powerplants are functioning then the possibility of recharge is possible. In NJ hurricane Sandy took most gas stations off line so IC is dependent on electricity than is thought.

  84. @Sparkon

    Electric would be a lot cheaper than any petrol car if only we started producing Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors (LFTRs). Of course they could produce petrol (gas or diesel) using the CO2 in sea water. But until we learn that we developed an entirely different kind of nuclear power at Oak Ridge which never made it to commercial production because we wanted the twofer of bombs and energy, which we could get with uranium and not with thorium, we lost the promise of atomic power. But not to worry. China is making a LFTR using the Oak Ridge plans, and will probably have one operational in 4 or 5 years, maybe less.

    A LFTR is 200 times as efficient as a light water cooled reactor. Using thorium is the first truly genius aspect of it. Using molten salt as a coolant is the second. Using molten salt as a coolant the reactors run at about 1000 C. And if there is an issue of any kind, the reactor shuts down automatically and the molten salt fuel drains to a tank where the salt freezes up. Meltdowns are impossible. The reactor operates at the highest possible temperature and only cools down; never gets hotter.

    Learn more:

    • Replies: @anon
    , @obwandiyag
    , @nokangaroos
  85. @mark green

    Yes, he is. I’ve been reading his blog regularly since about 2010, though he has been blogging longer than that and writing reviews and books for decades. Eric’s also a decent human being.

    Shills like anon who post outright lies like that get on my nerves.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  86. @obwandiyag

    Damn, obbie. That just triggered your ass off, didn’t it?

  87. @refl

    That’s true. SUVs are so popular in the US because the classic full sized station wagon was eliminated from production by CAFE standards. At the time it happened, station wagons were at their peak in design for ease of driving, passenger capacity and safety.

    The only vehicles currently available with the passenger capacity of a station wagon is a full size SUV.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  88. anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain

    You’re saying “Eric Peters Autos” is false advertising.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  89. anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Per/Norway

    Quoting Car and Driver is what? If Car and Driver is wrong on the facts…oh right, you can’t discuss facts.

  90. Herald says:
    @Per/Norway

    So all change, including change for the worse, is good?

  91. @Twodees Partain

    I’m not a libertarian but I am a gearhead. Eric Peters is always worth reading.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  92. Leo says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    Huawei, whose chief executive is sitting in a Canadian jail

    she’s NOT in a jail

  93. anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    > the fable of Al Gore and the disappearing polar bears.

    When you start out spouting bullshit in your first sentence, I simply don’t read the rest of what you wrote. I assume you conjured the subject of polar bears because you don’t know the first thing about diesels. Typical distraction tactic.

    A new U.S.-Canada study says a key polar bear population fell nearly in half in the past decade…
    https://phys.org/news/2014-11-polar-key-region.html

    • Replies: @Kartoffelstampfer
  94. Skeptikal says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I am not a car guy, but SUVs may be safe for those inside them (if they can lift their noses out of their devices and also see through the tinted windows), but they are murder for anyone in a normal car. For example, at a T junction.

    Most SUV drivers do not seem to know how to park.

    Furthermore, I think the Volvo and Subaru station wagons are perfectly safe.

    You just have to know how to drive . . .

    The reason SUVs became so popular was because they chassis was a pickup truck chassis and this affected the sales tax that was charged.

    • Replies: @Pontius
  95. My first reaction back in 2000, to the news that heavy truck manufacturers were able to program the engine management computers to detect when they were in test mode, was “shows that the government tests do not resemble the real world.”

    I had the same reaction with the VW news.

    Everybody loves AI, well VW is an example of an artificial intelligence defeating human (well, government) intelligence.

  96. You could buy an Elio three wheeler enclosed cab vehicle, whenever they get around to actually delivering the vehicles. They no longer seem to be taking more deposits for a vehicle at some point in the future.
    I see that they added an electric version to their future lineup.
    I’m surprised they still have a web presence.

  97. JackOH says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Try Morris de Camp’s “The American Race War of 1968” under race-ethnicity articles on these pages. Strong, thoughtful post and comments.

    Yeah, I don’t want to go OT. In my area, from 1966 on, race was a driver of White relocation (“flight”), which I guess can be thought of arguably as an unrecognized “tax” imposed by civil rights laws.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  98. Bubba says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    Awesome post! Great to read and thank you for writing it!

  99. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    > Electric would be a lot cheaper

    Where have we heard that science fiction phrase before?

    It is not too much to expect that our children will enjoy in their homes electrical energy too cheap to meter

    Lewis Strauss, chairman of the United States Atomic Energy Commission, 1954 speech to the National Association of Science Writers

    Nuclear power is cheap when everybody else has to pick up the bill.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  100. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    > government, and all need to be eliminated as quickly as possible, if not sooner!

    Marxists do promise to wither away the state.

  101. @anon

    Atomophobes like you were responsible for wrecking the economics of nuclear construction with endlessly ratcheting “safety” regulations and public hearings. In South Korea the cost nuclear construction has dropped 50% in the past 30 years.

    You should be sent to a concentration camp.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @anon
  102. @davidgmillsatty

    Stupid cheesy liar. Shill. Monster from hell.

  103. @Thorfinnsson

    Ass. Liar. Imbecile. Consult an actuary dumbbell. You will be proven categorically an ass. A liar. An imbecile.

  104. Wally says:
    @RadicalCenter

    said: “… compared to the net pollution reduction that’s possible with plugins and plugin hybrids overall.”

    That’s just more leftist nonsense.

    facts:

    Electric car battery, like in a Tesla, production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of gasoline driving: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/20/tesla-car-battery-production-releases-as-much-co2-as-8-years-of-gasoline-driving/
    Study: Driving A Tesla (or any electric car) Produces More CO2 Than Diesel Cars
    https://principia-scientific.org/study-driving-a-tesla-produces-more-co2-than-diesel-cars/
    – The lie of ‘electric cars are the onrushing future’ demolished here:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/11/the-art-of-the-deal-saving-the-u-s-auto-industry-from-a-planet-saving-agreement/
    Swedish & Chinese engineers that found electric vehicles, because of battery manufacturing and charging by fossil-fueled electricity, still emit-50 per cent more carbon than internal-combustion engines”: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-28/electric-vehicles-no-threat-oil-prices-anytime-soon
    Why Electric Vehicles are Not Renewable, Clean or Green: .
    https://principia-scientific.org/why-electric-vehicles-are-not-renewable-clean-or-green/

  105. Pontius says:
    @Skeptikal

    They also have much superior head room and outward visibility than cars, which are hobbled by more stringent rollover requirements. I can barely get into a new car without smacking my head on the edge of the roof.

  106. Alfred says:
    @Sparkon

    And what proportion of SUV owners live like you do?

    1%?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  107. Alfred says:
    @Skeptikal

    I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Diesel technology had taken quantum leaps in the direction of radically increased efficiency and reducing exhaust.

    A great many years ago, I worked for Lucas/CAV in London. They were the inventors of the much cheaper rotary fuel injection pump for diesel engines. They were bought up by America’s Delphi.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Industries#CAV

    Your statement is largely correct. However, it has led to an unintended side effect. The particles of carbon that leave the exhaust are much smaller than they used to be. This means that they get further into the lungs. They are much more dangerous than the larger particles that older diesel engines produced.

    These nano-particles are so small that they can move from the lungs into the blood. I will let you imagine what that may accomplish.

    Effects of Diesel Exhaust on the Lung – Influence of Particle Size and Composition

  108. Alfred says:
    @Skeptikal

    Who killed the streetcar/tram is another interesting line of research.

    The real story behind the demise of America’s once-mighty streetcars

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  109. SafeNow says:

    I remember reading a few essays speculating who, from our time, will still be remembered long into the future. Darwin, Einstein, Freud, and similar breakthrough figures were discussed in the essays and comments. What surprised me was that Elon Musk was frequently mentioned in the literate comment trail. I guess I missing something. Perhaps in 500 years history will record that the Musk cave submarine rescued those trapped kids, and that’s part of the explanation. Anyway, I still haven’t forgiven Volvo for reinforcing its roof and weakening the competitor roofs for the big-tire pickup truck roof-ride commercial many years ago.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  110. China is now leading the world in the manufacturing of electric cars. It aims to abolish all petro/diesel driven cars in the years to come. In several of their bigger cities it has now operating electric busses. The first electric bus for NY is planned for 2040!! It costs about 32c to fully charge an electric car at home with a range of 500km. Set back is that more electricity has to be generated by coal plants. China is now working on solving that problem.

  111. niceland says:

    This is weird article and mostly worthless.

    VW and many others heave for years been making full size family sedans powered by common rail diesels with excellent fuel economy. It’s hardly a great secret if you downsize both car and engine enough and slap on some hybrid tech you get even better fuel economy. What’s the story here?

    And then comes this:

    The L1 and VW’s now-defunct line of diesel-powered cars let you run the AC full blast all the time with no appreciable effect on the range. You stayed cozy on cold days – because it costs nothing, energy-wise, to run the heat as high as you liked.

    This is misleading.
    Modern family diesel sedans come with 4-6 kw diesel heater for low power and idling conditions in cold weather. The engines run so lean they don’t produce enough waste heat for the engine to stay at operating temperature – and heat the passenger compartment. The L1 with it’s small engine would need such extra heater and it’s likely you would notice it’s fuel consumption.

    AC has never been free. You won’t notice difference in fuel consumption using it in a 16 MPG vehicle, but you probably would in a 170 MPG Vw L1. It would probably drop several miles of the MPG number.

    Claiming VW was attacked because of this car is quite steep and requires some reliable sources and numbers. Does it mean the author thinks all car manufactures does the same and only VW was singled out?

    VW was caught cheating pollution tests. Using software produced by Bosch for testing purposes in production vehicles. It detected when the car was being tested and switched the engine control to different settings. Perhaps this doesn’t mean a lot for pollution in the big scheme of things but this is a fraud and violates regulations and even laws. Hardly fair to the competitors either.

    https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/volkswagen-diesel-scandal-explained-ar171326.html

    • Replies: @anon
  112. anon[258] • Disclaimer says:

    Hybrid’s have been more or less perfected by Toyota and now America is bored to tears with them. They only cost $1-$2,000 more, and you get about 60% of the benefits of full electric.

    What it means is that the electric dream doesn’t have much traction. If people cared and there was at least some subsidy, they could get 60% electric today. Mostly people don’t care.

  113. @anon

    Your virtue signaler propaganda was from 2014. Here is the newest “science”:

    https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/03/05/study-polar-bear-numbers-reach-new-highs-population-increases-to-the-highest-levels-in-decades/

    Far from the 2007 predictions of a 67% decline in global polar bear numbers, the new report reveals that numbers have risen to the highest levels in decades.

    The US Geological Survey estimated the global population of polar bears at 24,500 in 2005. In 2015, the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group estimated the population at 26,000 (range 22,000–31,000)7 but additional surveys published 2015–2017 brought the total to near 28,500. However, data published in 2018 brought that number to almost 29,5009 with a relatively wide margin of error. This is the highest global estimate since the bears were protected by international treaty in 1973.

    • Replies: @anon
  114. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    If a car like that came out, it would eat into the profits of the oil companies enormously, damaging their bottom line. Electric cars are a dream come true for the energy companies because the increased demand for energy to charge them means more gas-fired power plants will be built and the demand for oil, gas and coal will go up. Big American industry has always been resistant to change and will do anything to either ignore or destroy people or companies that are too “radical”. See Tucker or notice how American big industry ignored W. Edwards Deming. W. Edwards Deming’s “radical” ideas were accepted by the Japanese and these ideas were part of the reason that the Japanese technology lead the world from the 1960’s to the present day. American industry only accepted many of his ideas after they were proven by the Japanese.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Tucker

    https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/w-edwards-deming

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  115. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Homer Simpsons like you know safety! In reality, South Korea’s new president has introduced a new policy to completely phase out nuclear in 40 years. Because of fake parts with FAKE SAFETY certificates:

    Asia’s fourth-largest economy has been under pressure to curb its use of nuclear power in the wake of a safety scandal that led to the shutdown of some nuclear reactors to replace parts supplied with fake safety certificates.

    South Korea Cuts Future Reliance on Nuclear Power
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/south-korea-cuts-future-reliance-on-nuclear-power/

    > You should be sent to a concentration camp.

    Who knew Homer Simpson was also a Stalinist? But it’s not surprising that you try to compensate for your incompetence with totalitarianism. DOH!

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  116. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @niceland

    Eric Peters is a radical LoLbertarian, so everything he writes is crafted towards the agenda to “Wither Away the State,” much like the radical Alexandria Ocasio- Cortez and the feminine Squad is trying to “Wither Away” our borders, another LoLbertarian goal. Marx and Engels would be proud.

  117. The only thing more fake than ‘climate change’ is those combatting it with ‘EV’ technology.

    • Replies: @anon
  118. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    If climate change is fake, then why is the Trump Administration actively touting global warming as something wonderful?

    Pompeo: Melting sea ice presents ‘new opportunities for trade’
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/politics/pompeo-sea-ice-arctic-council

    Are you saying the Trump Administration is pushing fake news?

    The Trump Administration Forecasts 7 Degrees Fahrenheit of Global Warming by 2100
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a23516268/trump-nhtsa-global-warming-2100/

  119. @anon

    Yes, South Korea’s new President is an atomophobe who bowed to irrational public opposition to the safest source of electricity generation ever devised by man.

    Park (the real one) would’ve known how to deal with these atomophobic cowards.

    • Replies: @anon
  120. @JackOH

    Minor quibble, Jack, but I think you know the answer to this one:

    “How did low income folks’ lives get better with low-density housing and retail development that pretty much demanded costly privately owned motor vehicles?”

    By white-flighting to the suburbs they got away from the destructive demographic that was inundating them in the urban core.

    Just another example of how the technical/economic is downstream from the political/cultural.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  121. @davidgmillsatty

    Grau, mein Freund, ist alle Theorie 😛
    (it goes on about something green but can´t remember)

    Sure, thorium is 10X more abundant than uranium and being a pure element (232) it need not be enriched either, making it another 50X cheaper. A core no bigger than a foty that need not be tampered with for the lifetime of the plant (40 years). Great, right?
    As usual, the devil is in the details.
    Our best minds have been futzing around with the idea for 70 years, and they have not even got a plutonium breeder to work (the Japanese closed theirs down years ago).
    – It is impossible to achieve a bimodal neutron spectrum, fast for breeding
    Th-232 –(n,ß,ß)–> U-233 AND thermal for fission at the same time.
    IOW you can EITHER make bomb material OR produce energy.
    – There is nothing molten halogenide coupled with radiation will not eat.
    – It is impossible to suppress the formation of eddies that focus the corrosion.

    And even free electricity wouldn´t solve a thing; but one can dream, right?

    • Replies: @SongYong
  122. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    > irrational public opposition

    Fake parts with fraudulent safety certificates are completely rational to psychopaths.

    > safest source of electricity generation

    “One in 37.6” (nearly 3%) of nuclear power plants around the world have experienced a melt-down, many of them tragically. What sort of person calls that safe? A psychopath?

    […] we have experienced three meltdowns in Japan, all at Fukushima Daiichi; at least one meltdown in the Soviet Union, at Chernobyl (though given the Soviet inclination to cover things up, there might have been others); one in Scotland, at Chapelcross; two in France, both at Saint-Laurent, but on different occasions; one in Czechoslovakia, at Jaslovské Bohunice; and three meltdowns in the United States, one each at Three Mile Island (Pennsylvania), Fermi (Michigan), and SRE (California) […] based on experience, the likelihood that any randomly chosen nuclear plant will have melted down when its time is up is 2.66%, or one in about 37.6.

    Nuclear Power Is Not Safe
    https://cleantechnica.com/2019/05/13/nuclear-power-is-not-safe/

    Why are so many unz readers contemptuous against those opposed to fraud and fakery, whether it be diesel or nuclear related? Do you have a serious moral issue that has been uncovered in this comment thread?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  123. @Alfred

    I remember that one …
    Whoever killed public transport, along came Rosa Parks and made sure it goddamn well stayed dead.
    GM should have her cast in bronze.

    Never mind it is a national economic disaster …

  124. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    The source your science-denying website is “quoting,” or rather cherry-picking data from—IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group—actually shows polar bears declining. So you’re lying. (Per your usual in this comment thread.) I’ll quote the IUCN directly from their own website:

    The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species assesses Polar Bears (Ursus maritimus) as Vulnerable, with trends that suggest the population is decreasing.
    https://www.iucn.org/content/action-now-save-polar-bears-0

    IUCN says “the population is decreasing.” If you actually read the study, in some of the 19 different regions in which they study polar bears, some of the regions have increased in population. But overall, as IUCN states, “the population is decreasing.” So when are you going to stop lying?

  125. @anon

    Nuclear power has killed fewer people per kilowatt hour of energy produced than any other generating technology, period. And that’s including Chernobyl.

    Stating this simple fact does not mean I endorse fraud and fakery, which should of course be harshly punished regardless of what industry it takes place in.

    This does not change that fact that atomophobes are statistically illiterate cowards whose pathological hysteria has robbed mankind of glorious atomofuturism.

    All atomophobes should be executed, preferably by lethal doses of radiation.

    • Replies: @anon
  126. Sparkon says:
    @Alfred

    It doesn’t matter. Perhaps this is a difficult concept for some of the wags here, but people drive SUVs for a variety of reasons. Some people still have several children, other people need to haul things, or pull a trailer. Some people like to travel, or go fishing or hunting, and have room in the vehicle for bikes, camping gear, and such.

    Perhaps some people want an SUV just for the hell of it. Good for them, and I say go for it. So far at least, it’s still a free country, so drive whatever you want, and tell all the control freaks to take a hike, jump in a lake, or go fly a kite.

    Control freaks include those fanatics who think they know how to live your life better than you do, or what kind of car you should drive.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    , @anon
  127. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Being killed by something isn’t the sole safety measure of a technology. Only an intellectual fraud like you would suggest so.

    Photograph source:
    Birth Defects Related to Chernobyl | Business Insider
    https://www.businessinsider.com/birth-defects-related-to-chernobyl-2016-4

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  128. @Sparkon

    One reason people drive SUVs is because femoids are irrational cowards who incorrectly believe that an elevated driving position increases safety. Thus many femoids now refuse to drive anything but SUVs and claim to feel unsafe otherwise.

    While the ultimate solution is of course the systemic execution of all femoids, as an intermediate measure I propose the passage of a federal law to be called the Automotive Integrity Restoration Act.

    This law would require any passenger motor vehicle with a certain minimum ground clearance and total height to employ body-on-frame construction. It would also be mandated for vehicles in this regulated class to meet or exceed minimum levels of payload capacity, towing capacity, and suspension travel length.

    In order to prevent femoids from buying this class of vehicles (as many did prior to the development of crossovers), operating such a vehicle would require a motorist to obtain an elevated driver license proving that one is capable of parallel parking, using turn signals, using the passing lane properly, and refilling a the windshield fluid reservoir.

    Federal fuel economy and “safety” regulations would simultaneously be adjusted to restore the full size sedan and station wagon so that those requiring or simply desiring ample interior volume could purchase proper cars with such characteristics instead of inappropriately driving unneeded trucks.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Anonymous
  129. @anonymous

    I don’t think you understand the issue, watch the video below and you might start to get it, EVs are not good for the oil industry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bIBs8GuUYY&frags=pl%2Cwn

    It will take a while but EVs will cause an oil price crash in a few years

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwHN6QQWv2g&frags=pl%2Cwn

    • Replies: @anonymous
  130. @SafeNow

    Unless Musk gets hit by a bus, SpaceX are about 5 years away from sending people to Mars, if they do that his place in history is assured

  131. JackOH says:
    @Almost Missouri

    AM, thanks. See my #102 reply to Mike—.

    I wasn’t thinking White flight when I commented. But, yeah, it may be worth thinking how many Whites would have remained in relatively high-density cities in sufficient numbers to maintain investor-owned public transit had it not been for civil rights laws, such as fair housing, and Black rioting. Likewise, it may be worth thinking about the extraordinary costs, such as privately owned motor vehicles, borne by Whites who felt compelled to “self-displace” from the cities.

    But, the embargo on asking questions like those is mostly impermeable. Steve Levitt got away with it when he linked declining crime to legalization of abortion, but that’s an exception.

  132. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon

    Perhaps some people want to be a TV just for the hell of it….Tell all the control freaks to take a hike, jump in a lake, or go fly a kite. See where that LoLbertarian freedom shtick that Eric Peters pushes gets ya? Automobiles and transvestites go hand in hand.

  133. Sparkon says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    My SUV is built on a sedan chassis, and your argument is built on a false premise.

    I do enjoy the elevated driving position in my SUV compared to the very low driving positions I’ve had in the good-handling, fuel-efficient compact cars I’ve driven most of my life — one Toyota, and two Hondas that both went well over 120,000 miles without any mechanical problems, and both of which could get near 30 mpg in town, and 40 mpg on the road, but it is true almost all traffic towered over those small cars. In a small car, driving in a canyon of semis obstructs vision to all the road signs, not that the situation is improved much in an SUV, but the heavier vehicle might improve your chances a bit in a crash, and most sensible people, men and women both, might take safety into consideration when making a choice of vehicle. And if you’ve got kids, all the more so.

    In the future, I will be downsizing to another compact hatchback with ICE, something like a Honda Fit, but for now the SUV suits my purposes.

    Incidentally, humans are a carbon-based life form, so think about what a war on carbon really means. Like a lot of people, you’re probably mixed up about the difference between Carbon (C), which is a solid, and Carbon dioxide (CO₂), which is a gas, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your hyperbole.

    Finally, people opposed to nuclear power are not atomophobes, but atomophiles, because we like our atoms intact, not smashed.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  134. @anon

    Chernobyl caused some birth defects and cancers, news at 11.

    Compare the number of respiratory ailments caused by fossil fuel thermal power generation.

    Or the number of people injured and killed in motor vehicle accidents in the “renewables” industry.

    • Replies: @anon
  135. @Sparkon

    Low driving positions are superior as the result is a chassis with a lower center of gravity, which greatly improves handling characteristics.

    You can’t see over tractor trailers in a light truck anyway, not even a lifted super-duty pickup. The road sign thing is sort of true in metro areas with overhead signs I suppose. I’ve never thought about it.

    It’s true that increased mass, all else equal, improves your odds in an accident. But this has turned into a vehicular arms race in which many people feel the need to increase vehicle size because other people already did so. Furthermore there are a number of smaller vehicles with very good safety ratings.

    I’m well aware that carbon dioxide and carbon are not the same thing, but “carbon” has become shorthand for carbon dioxide in discussions about the climate. I’m willing to admit that the AGW hypothesis could be false and that the “scientific consensus” does not mean the AGW hypothesis is necessarily correct. It is also very suspicious that many of the “solutions” proposed entail simply reducing people’s standard of living.

    That said the hypothesis has an inherent logic, and provided one doesn’t embrace absurd solutions which throw the baby out with the bathwater then reducing CO2 emissions (or absorbing them into the soil) is desirable simply on a precautionary basis. A number things that do this also have other benefits.

    At least your position of opposing atomic energy AND efforts to CO2 emissions reduction are logically consistent, unlike so-called greens who oppose atomic energy but demand we cut CO2 emissions…somehow. Usually these goons also oppose the construction of dams for hydroelectric power. I suppose the plan is to freeze in the dark and worship Gaia.

  136. RobRich says: • Website
    @Biff

    Another gem of an article from the ‘libertarian mechanic.’

  137. anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    The Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant Zone of Alienation alienated humans from 1000 square miles of the earth’s surface. There is also a Zone of Absolute (Mandatory) Resettlement and a Zone of Guaranteed Voluntary Resettlement, but you’re as flippant about causing others harm and pain as any psychopath.

    Psychopaths like you need confined to the Sarcophagus, where you’ll be closest to what you profess to love as an atomophile. But you probably have all the ethics of Hillary Clinton, and don’t want to live anywhere near what you advocate.

  138. Hans609 says:

    Developing cars with piston enginges took more than a hundred years. Porsche´s frist car was electric too, but never went into serial production. Electrical cars like the cars we know are only available since Tesla started this. In the meantime the batteries have been developed pretty rapidly. One example Formula E started with two cars in one race because the battery would not last the whole race. Two years later they run the whole race with one car. Same with the serial cars. Charging of the batteries will not last as it is at the moment. Tesla has charging stations with 100 kW and is coming up with 150 kW charging stations. The future will bring 200 kW and more, which brings down the charging time to less then 10 min.
    On a German highway it takes 15 – 20 min to fill the car up and pay. So pretty soon it is probably better to charge an electric car.
    One very essential thing is. That Volkswage was only a prototype and very small too and so expensive that nobody could ever buy. A Tesla, which is a high consuming car uses about 1/3 of the actual energy consumption of a low consuming gasoil car.
    The electric car is and will be the most efficient, produced now. Diesel Engines have an efficiency of around 57%. Gas engines a lot less. Affordable electric cars are coming
    The speed of battery development is pretty high. In a couple of years, they will outrun any prototype

  139. @anon

    The area around Chernobyl is mostly habitable today and has seen an explosion of wildlife. Humans could return to the area, but don’t owing to irrational atomophobia.

    And this was the only catastrophic nuclear accident ever.

    Likewise there was no need to even evacuate the Fukushima area, let alone scrape up the soil. Typical atomophobic hysteria.

    Meanwhile over 100,000 people are dying every year in the USA from respiratory ailments caused by thermal fossil generation. I can only imagine how much worse that figure is in the PRC.

    • Replies: @anon
  140. Like mah fambly and our buddies in the private equity world always says:

    He who makes the rules,
    rules the gold

    Wait . . . is that how that goes ?
    hmm.
    Well, close enough for hand grenades or Ford Grenadas

  141. @anon

    Anybody supporting the building of more Nuclear power plants does not want to build Soviet era Chernobyl reactors. its dishonest to try to win an argument by distorting what the other side wants

    • Replies: @anon
  142. anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    The wildlife in the Alienation Zone is plagued by sickness from the nuclear disaster; one example follows:

    “Animals living in areas contaminated by radioactive material from Chernobyl suffer from increased oxidative stress and low levels of antioxidants. Therefore, normal development of the nervous system is jeopardized as reflected by high frequencies of developmental errors, reduced brain size and impaired cognitive abilities in humans.”

    Chernobyl Birds Have Smaller Brains
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016862

    Although you might feel right at home with the abnormally developed bird-brains, since you yourself exhibit impaired cognitive abilities. You been sucking on some Caesium-137 gumdrops, atomophile?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  143. anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((They))) Live

    What is truly dishonest is to suggest that Soviet era Chernobyl reactors are the only nuclear power plants to melt-down. Fact: “One in 37.6” (nearly 3% – see comment #127) nuclear power plants built in the world have experienced a meltdown.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  144. @anon

    Based on the journal article the obvious solution for any humans living in the area would be supplementation with potassium iodide, liposomal glutathione, n-acetyl cyestine, and alpha lipoic acid.

    Truly an insurmountable tragedy…

    • Replies: @anon
  145. @anon

    And these meltdowns harmed almost (small amount of harm at Fukushima) no one.

    Meanwhile all other forms of electricity generation, including renewables, have inflicted massively more harm. Coal power kills more people than the two atomic bombings of Japan every month globally.

    • Replies: @anon
  146. anon[677] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    By golly, all Pripyat needed was a health food store! LOL Like I said, you’re as flippant as any psychopath. Neat thing was, early on in this conversation, you psychologically projected your own need to be locked up and/or shot.

  147. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((They))) Live

    That video is comparing the up front consumer price for gasoline and electricity to the home. Most of the price of a gallon of gas is taxes, enviro fees, etc. Consumer electricity has a different pricing system depending on where you live also. Electric cars use 90 plus percent of their electricity to go to the motion of the wheels depending on which model you use and cars are somewhere around 25 percent efficiency. It’s hard to make such a clear comparison, but if the electric cars became 90 percent of the cars on the road, the electrical grid would need to be modernized and increased in capacity (increased profits for the companies who make transformers, switchgear, wiring etc.). As 81 percent of American power comes from either coal, gas or oil, there would be a substantial increase in the consumption of those three fuels by the power plants resulting in increased profit for the energy companies that sell these materials to the power plants. Now if the increased demand for power by electric cars would be less than the profits gained through the sales of gasoline to the consumer, I don’t know because I don’t have the figures in front of me. Gasoline profits are quite slim and a substantial part of the profits made by oil companies are through the retail sales of the stores that are attached to most gas stations. The oil companies will simply start selling electricity at their energy stations and will make money as you while away the time in their lounges and continue to buy items in their stores. One thing I do know, I wouldn’t want to run out of electricity anywhere in Detroit!

    • Replies: @Bubba
  148. anon[677] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    154,000 people evacuated from their homes for the triple Fukushima reactor meldowns, among other harms, but you ignore them all. “Aw shucks, them meltdowns ain’t nuthin!” Shill.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  149. anon[677] • Disclaimer says:
    @Agent76

    You have no desire to make earth cleaner, greener and safer, let’s just be up front with that, ok?

  150. @anon

    154,000 were evacuated owing to the excessive, hysterical government response. There was no need to evacuate so many people.

    Hysterical atomophobes at work again.

    Japanese government ministers and the imperial family should’ve relocated to Fukushima to make a strong stand against atomophobia.

    • Replies: @anon
  151. Bubba says:
    @anonymous

    One thing I do know, I wouldn’t want to run out of electricity anywhere in Detroit!

    LOL!

    And you are 100% correct.

    There are approximately 270 million registered vehicles in the U.S. with less than 1 million registered as EV’s (about 750,000).

    There is absolutely no way that the U.S. grid (generation, transmission and distribution) could support 27 million EV’s (just 10% of the total registered vehicles).

    EV’s are a total fraudulent pipe dream for delusional do-gooders being taken advantage by the financial scam artists.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
  152. anon[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Excellent, Mr. Burns.

  153. @anon

    It’s the name of his blog. The blog is for car reviews and articles on automotive news, primarily, with political commentary as well. You don’t know enough about it to even have an opinion. Maybe you could do with a nice cup of STFU.

    • Replies: @anon
  154. @Bubba

    There is absolutely no way that the U.S. grid (generation, transmission and distribution) could support 27 million EV’s (just 10% of the total registered vehicles).

    This is not true, if EVs are charged at night, and this is what happens close to 100% of the time then the grid in most cases can today support up to 25% of cars being electric, beyond that yes new generating capacity is needed, it will take years before we reach 25% EVs so its something that can be planned for

    And since EVs use less energy than ICE in the long run consumers save money

    • Replies: @Bubba
  155. MEFOBILLS says:
    @onebornfree

    Yay! Thank you Unz.com for an article by the great libertarian Eric Peters! A joy to read – and I don’t even own a car

    https://prisonplanets.wordpress.com/tag/brenton-sanderson/

    You do know that libertarianism is shit-tier drivel? Everything has hierarchy.

    Quote from above link:

    The massive extent of Jewish nepotism in their business dealings is so exhaustively documented (very frequently by Jews themselves) as to be beyond dispute. Such is the rarity of instances where Jews use other Jews in a purely instrumental manner that they are cause for great shock and trauma within the Jewish community (witness the Madoff affair). Given this, it seems to me that while, as Friedman, von Mises and Rand assert, the free market may work efficiently to hinder ethnocentric discrimination among Whites (a group that MacDonald characterizes as, owing to their evolutionary history, strongly predisposed to individualism), the hyper-ethnocentrism of the Jews (and the Chinese) predispose them to transcend this “rational” discipline imposed by the free market.

    With regards to diesel cars, that is not free-dumb markets. It is existing infrastructure of diesel gas stations and distribution networks, which in turn are part of government – meaning government regulation.

    As it turns out, the Mazda gas compression engine (Skyactive X) overcomes a lot of diesel issues.

    https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2019/07/toyota-teaming-up-with-mazda-on-i-6-skyactiv-engine/

  156. MEFOBILLS says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Look at the cause. I don’t want to steer the topic of course but suburban development was the result of white flight, which was the result of southern blacks taking up residence (backed by threat of government force) in northern cities and bringing their issues with them.

    Slaughter of the Cities.

    If you have a foreign elite running your country, it is all bad.

  157. SongYong says:
    @nokangaroos

    Why not put your money where your mouth is? You can go to India, use your superior knowledge to convince them that their Thorium reactor program is BS, earn trillions in the process, will you?

    India’s Thorium-based fast breeder is slated to go critical next year.

    And why are atomophobes still fretting about Chernobyl? This type of reactor is of a very special, high-risk design that makes it easy to remove material for bomb production. No one, not even the Russians or the Ukrainians for that matter, is building these reactors anymore.

    Atomophobes want us to transition to a planned economy to satisfy their bogus utopism. Then why not improve the planning processes already in place in connection with nuclear? Very simple measures like not building reactors of the Chernobyl type or keeping the backup Diesel generators at Fukushima safe from tsunami flooding would have prevented both disasters.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Sparkon
  158. anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain

    You’re re-confirming that this business named Eric Peters Autos—which by common nomenclature implies a fellow with a car lot with actual automobiles for sale—has absolutely no autos. But why would a fellow advertise a car lot that is empty of autos? Is it an inside joke hinting at the deceitful advertising and intellectual emptiness of lolbertarian politics?

    • Replies: @anon
  159. @SongYong

    India is in the peculiar situation of sitting on vast amounts of easily mined Th (monazite sands of Kerala), so it makes sense that they would try; my best wishes are with them 😀

    Australia, with comparable deposits along the east coast, gives no such indication.

  160. Sparkon says:
    @SongYong

    Why not just burn coal?

    We’ve got mountains of coal, enough to last for several centuries, and it should be our most inexpensive fuel if not for the idiotic restrictions on new coal fired power plants in the United States based on the scary-sounding but entirely unproven conjecture of Runaway Man-made Global Warming.

    China, meanwhile is building a host of new coal-fired power plants.

    Simple, inexpensive solutions are always preferable to expensive, complicated solutions, whether it is to generate electricity, or to propel a vehicle.

    Reinventing the car makes no more sense than reinventing the wheel. The ICE has been under development and constant technological improvement for well over a century. There are few things more reliable than an ICE on this entire planet.

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

    But if it is…

    According to reports from workers on the site Reactor #1 at Fukushima Dai-Ichi was smoking already before the tsunami hit, and several workers saw burst cooling pipes.

    The reason for official reluctance to admit that the earthquake did direct structural damage to reactor one is obvious. Katsunobu Onda, author of TEPCO: The Dark Empire (東京電力・暗黒の帝国), who sounded the alarm about the firm in his 2007 book explains it this way: “If TEPCO and the government of Japan admit an earthquake can do direct damage to the reactor, this raises suspicions about the safety of every reactor they run. They are using a number of antiquated reactors that have the same systematic problems, the same wear and tear on the piping.”

    In a previous story, Kei Sugaoka, a Japanese engineer who worked at the Unit 1 site, says that he wasn’t surprised that a meltdown took place after the earthquake. He sent the Japanese government a letter, dated June 28, 2000, warning them of the problems there. It took the Japanese government more than two years to act on that warning. Mr. Sugaoka has also said he saw yakuza tattoos on many of the cleanup crew staff. When interviewed on May 23 he stated, “The plant had problems galore and the approach taken with them was piecemeal. Most of the critical work: construction work, inspection work, and welding were entrusted to sub-contracted employees with little technical background or knowledge of nuclear radiation. I can’t remember there ever being a disaster drill. The TEPCO employees never got their hands dirty.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/meltdown-what-really-happened-fukushima/352434/

    As for Thorium reactors… Sure, they’ll be coming on line “real soon now,” the same story we’ve been hearing for 50 years. There have been few money pits deeper than than this one —

    Thorium all the way down.

    • Replies: @SongYong
  161. Rurik says:

    Very glad to see Eric Peters published here at Unz.

    Excellent addition!

    Btw, why ‘clovers’?

    I was telling an Irish dude I know about Peters’ site, and mentioned the ‘clovers’ who drive like jerks.

    My Irish friend wasn’t amused, as he wondered if ‘clovers’ wasn’t some kind of slight.

    Anyways, Peters has a great site.

    https://www.ericpetersautos.com/

  162. Mike P says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    The Volkswagen L1 had a 39 horsepower engine in a tandem two-seat body with a curb weight of 839 pounds.

    This is not a practical vehicle that would ever see mass sales in the absence of regulatory mandates or massive subsidies.

    It also cost more than €100,000.

    It was a concept car, never intended (or priced) for mass production. It was probably meant to demonstrate to regulators what was possible. If the German government had managed to bully the EU regulators into carving out a cozy niche for cars like this with subsidies and tax breaks, VW would have been happy to deliver.

  163. SongYong says:
    @Sparkon

    But all the other reactors that were hit by the earthquake got away without any meltdowns occurring. A somewhat newer plant close to Fukushima even got hit by the tsunami just like Fukushima and did not go into a meltdown either.

    As for burning coal, yes why not? But it is still polluting.

    The best way to proceed might consist of coal burning accompanied by massive investments in nuclear fusion. Besides all other advantages, nuclear fusion has the advantage that fuel availability is basically the same for everyone. You take it from seawater, maybe even surface water, or you take it from the moon. That lessens the permanent geopolitical competition for energy sources.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  164. Sparkon says:
    @SongYong

    But all the other reactors that were hit by the earthquake got away without any meltdowns occurring

    Not exactly. There were three meltdowns at Fukushima Dai-ichi. What happened at Fukushima Dai-ni is not clear, but the earthquake shock at Dai-ni, about 11 kilometers to the south, was 1/2 that experienced near Dai-ichi, and the Dai-ni site experienced a close call rather than any meltdowns.

    Nevertheless, damage at Dai-ni must have been substantial because Tepco recently announced plans to decommission all four reactors at Fukushima Dai-ni, a task that Tepco estimates will take over 40 years. All 10 reactors in Fukushima prefecture will be decommissioned.

    Modern coal-fired power plants scrub almost all real pollution from their emissions, and of course no educated, clear thinking person really believes that CO₂ is pollution.

    In my view, TPTB’s goal is not inexpensive, reliable energy at all, but rather expensive, unreliable energy.

    In the same way the TPTB’s goal is not available affordable housing, but rather available expensive housing that is beyond the reach of the average Joe.

    California lawmakers weaken plans to protect tenants from big rent hikes and evictions

    The cynical observer might well think there is a concerted plan underway to force more and more people out of their homes and onto the streets.

    Greedy landlords would be happy to oblige, I’m sure.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @SongYong
  165. anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You’re confirming that this blog named Eric Peters Autos—which in some anonymous fellow’s head implies [etc. etc. etc.]

    FTFY

  166. I find a sad correlation between VW’s 1 liter car, which sounds very practical, and Boeings 737 Max. Both have a software problem. VW’s software killed no one, yet criminal charges have been filed. In the findings I still can’t find evidence of a conspiracy to defraud the public or the EPA. And it seems a simple fix would right the ship. On the other hand there’s Boeing with their $15 per hour off shore software engineers trying desperately to fix a seemingly unfixable problems, one which killed almost 800. No criminal charges here. Yes there’s an imbalance in justice, and it ain’t good.

  167. anon[570] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon

    > no educated, clear thinking person really believes that CO₂ is pollution

    You’re a moron.

    While there are direct ways in which CO2 is a pollutant (acidification of the ocean), its primary impact is its greenhouse warming effect…

    Is CO2 a pollutant?
    https://skepticalscience.com/co2-pollutant.htm

    The greenhouse warming effect of CO2 is something which scientists have known now for two centuries, discovered by Jean Baptiste Joseph Fourier (1768–1830). You’re that far behind, retard. Clearly, no educated person would be 200 years behind on simple scientific principles.

    • Troll: Kartoffelstampfer
    • Replies: @SongYong
  168. Bubba says:
    @(((They))) Live

    … if EVs are charged at night, and this is what happens close to 100% of the time then the grid in most cases can today support up to 25% of cars being electric,…

    Sadly not even close. No solar at night and wind power diminishes. The margin between generating capacity available and load demand has shrunk to less than 5% on more than 100 days a year in the U.S. and I speak with panicked traders at least 2 days a week. Wait until we get a 1930’s type heat wave or worse, a cold wave due to sun spot inactivity.

    Our grid is a disaster in the making.

    Your local power company will still have to buy more MW’s and build more transmission and distribution lines to support a 1% increase of EV’s even if they charge exclusively at night – there’s no way around it.

    And only the elite communities with influential, highly connected members on the Board of Directors of electric companies can afford to hire lawyers to dump these costs on to other less influential municipalities, towns, counties and cities.

  169. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Yes, the demise of the full size sedan and station wagon is a tragedy. They are the best combination of power, handling, space, safety, and efficiency, and should be the main vehicles on the road like they used to be. The cars on the road today are mainly either compacts, crossovers, or oversized pickups and SUVs primarily used as commuter cars, most of which are deficient compared to the classic full size sedan and wagon. Nowadays, to get 8 cylinders or more in a full size, rear wheel drive sedan, you’re restricted to dropping more than a $100K on a 7 series or S-class.

  170. SongYong says:
    @Sparkon

    You can argue about whether the glas was half full or half empty. Nobody claimed that the earthquake and the tsunami at Dai-ni were of the same magnitude as at Dai-chi. It’s still the case that Dai-ni was hit by a major earthquake and tsunami and survived. The point is that nuclear power is pretty safe even today as shown by Dai-ni. Dai-chi would have made it if somebody had made those damn backup generators tsunami proof. So, whatever planning and modifications of political processes is required to make nuclear even safer, it would be less than the planning and modifications of political processes that would be required to make renewables viable, if renewables are viable in principle, which is highly doubtful.

    Yes, coal is pretty clean but is it clean enough to make the public happy? The public does not seem to know what it really wants but nuclear fusion seems to fill the bill. The way forward would consist of ramping up clean coal, ramping down fission somewhat by closing down reactors that are old or located in geologically active zones, ramping up fission in the longer run by investing massively in Thorium, and investing even more massively in fusion.

    But one might have to agree fully as regards TPTB. There is so much irrationality going on, you cannot but think that it’s intentional.

  171. SongYong says:
    @anon

    Where does the green line come from? There is a HadCRUT4 median that shows

    a peak 1878 at 0.035C,
    a trough in 1911 at -0.544C,
    a peak in 1944 at 0.144C,
    a slight decrease and increase again until 0.140C were reached in 1981,
    and an increase to 0.595C in 2018.

    The period since 1981 first saw an increase, then the pause beginning ca. 2000,
    then the end of the pause beginning ca. 2017 that coincided with a relatively
    strong el Nino.

    If you attribute the spike in 2017 and 2018 to el Nino, then the pause is still ongoing.

    IPCC models are based on a highly dubious feedback assumption whereby CO2 controls water vapor. Concentrations and absolute amounts of water vapor in the atmosphere are orders of magnitude bigger than those of CO2, a trace gas. Why should CO2 be the ingredient that controls H2O? And these models failed to predict the pause. Now everybody is fretting out assuming the pause has ended, although there is just two years of data to support that. Madness.

    Classifying CO2 as a pollutant is madness too, of course. Pollutants are substances that do direct harm in concentrations that can be encountered in daily life. Just about every substance can be encountered in dangerous concentrations somewhere. If CO2 is a pollutant, then everything is.

    • Replies: @anon
  172. anon[570] • Disclaimer says:
    @SongYong

    The only “madness” is your blatant dishonesty. Your alleged “pause” in global warming is false.

    The speed bump only applies to surface temperatures, which only represent about 2 percent of the overall warming of the global climate. Can you make out the tiny purple segment at the bottom of the above figure? That’s the only part of the climate for which the warming has ‘paused’.

    The global climate continues to warm rapidly
    https://skepticalscience.com/ipcc-global-warming-pause.htm

    > Pollutants are substances that do direct harm…

    Correct, and acidification of the ocean from increasing carbon being absorbed into the ocean causes direct harm that is easily observable and measurable by anybody.

    Ocean acidification refers to a reduction in the pH of the ocean over an extended period of time, caused primarily by uptake of carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere.
    https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/acidification.html

    Your madness is not knowing what pH means.

    • Replies: @SonYong
  173. SonYong says:
    @anon

    Climate-marxist scaremongering. You, and nobody but you is the one who is lying here, like Marxists always do.

    The models were about land temperatures, and they failed to predict the pause. Even if the sea temperature curves are assumed to be correct (notice the huge degree of uncertainty), the models did include sea temperatures, and they still failed to predict the pause.

    So the models are wrong.

    And of course little is known about deep sea temperatures prior to recent measurements.

    “Your madness is not knowing what pH means.”

    Your madness consists of speaking of acidification although, if anything, the oceans are becoming less alkaline. That’s totally unscientific. The fact is this. Marine life requires CO2 just like terrestrial life. The planet surface is already becoming more green, and so will the oceans. Classifying CO2 as a pollutant is nothing but a death cult.

  174. anon[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Science is all the sudden “Marxist” when you don’t agree with facts? Now we know who is psychologically projecting about “scare-mongering.” You, liar. Let’s take a closer look at your lies:

    > The models were about land temperatures…

    Liar.

    The main climate system components treated in a climate model are…The atmospheric component…The land surface component…The ocean component, which simulates current movement and mixing, and biogeochemistry, since the ocean is the dominant reservoir of heat and carbon in the climate system.
    https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/climate-modeling/

    > …and they failed to predict the pause.

    Liar.

    The so-called ‘pause’ in the rate of global warming is false and distracting. It is a politically engineered excuse…
    https://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-pause-more-politics-than-science.html

    > So the models are wrong.

    Liar.

    The models are highly accurate, as this chart shows:

    Source: How reliable are climate models?
    https://skepticalscience.com/climate-models-intermediate.htm

    > the oceans are becoming less alkaline

    Correct. That is called acidification. Duh!

    The lower the pH, the more acidic the solution.
    https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/invertebrates/ocean-acidification

    > life requires CO2

    No shit, sherlock. And you require water, but that doesn’t mean you can’t get water intoxication. Regarding plants, an example of too much CO2:

    Too high a concentration of CO2 causes a reduction of photosynthesis in certain of plants.

    Plants cannot live on CO2 alone
    https://skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm

    > …and so will the oceans.

    Algae blooms don’t do anybody any good, they cause Dead Zones in the ocean.

    > a death cult.

    Again, you project. At least you’re consistent.

    • Replies: @Yawrate
    , @SonYong
  175. JP says:
    @onebornfree

    I’m sorry to have to inform you, Mr Peters, but this point is way, way, way over the heads of most of the brainwashed, statist, “green” [ in more ways than one] proto- zombie commie/nazi morons both here and elsewhere.

    The Commies produced the Trabant, possibly the worst car of all time. It was made in Germany.

    The Nazis produced VW, a company so iconic and innovative it required an EPA takedown.

    Stop conflating the two.

    • Replies: @Kartoffelstampfer
  176. Interesting thread, could the anti EV people predict when EV sales will drop, because since Tesla started selling the Roadster in 2008, EV sales have increased every year and the number of new models on the market has only increased, Toyota who AFAIK were the last hold out are now working on pure battery EVs

    So when will EV sales drop and when will the first major car maker announce they will no longer produce and sell EVs, five years ? ten years ? what will the first sign be ? Tesla going bust, Tesla bought by GM ?

    The libertarian types like Eric Peters will eventually prefer EVs over high MGP Diesel/petrol because its possible to charge an EV your own PV set up, the ultimate FU to big oil

  177. @JP

    The VW actually made significant contributions to the second worldwide conflict against communist jews:

    The Kübelwagen was so cool that Werner von Braun forced Disney to include a fake Kübelwagen on the fake third moon landing:

    As if the VW Kübelwagen wasn’t cool enough, no one has matched the utter coolishness of the VW Schwimmwagen:

    The only amercian vehicle that comes close would be Patton’s Command Car:

  178. Yawrate says:

    It turns out that VW really did cheat on US EPA tests. EU vehicle emission standards are more lax than US standards. A car company only needs to meet the lowest standard of the member countries. This is one of the reasons European cities are so smoggy.

    Anyway, VW made plenty of diesels that met EU standards but not US standards. To meet US standards they would have to rework all the emissions hardware. So when they wanted to bring those models to the US they chose to create software that recognized that an emissions test was happening and lean out their emissions for that test. They couldn’t just permanently change calibrations to meet the US standard because the emissions components were not designed for meeting that standard and would prematurely fail and create warranty costs.

    I know all this because a friend was involved in the scandal working for a non profit that independently verifies that vehicles meet emissions regulations.

    So, not obscure, not a technicality and not insignificant.

  179. Sparkon says:

    A car that was for a while.


    1954 Nash Metropolitan

    image: Hemmings dot com

    Shorter wheelbase than VW bug, but severely handicapped by its 3-speed gearbox which made the engine spin at a busy 4300 rpm at 60 mph in third gear, while the VW’s engine spun at a more leisurely 3000 rpm in 4th gear at 60 mph.

    Automotive industry veteran and the largest publisher of automotive books at the time, Floyd Clymer, took several Metropolitans through his tests. He “abused” a 1954 Metropolitan convertible and “got the surprise of my life” with its “performance was far better than I expected”, that he “felt very safe in the car”, and that “it may well be that Nash has started a new trend in American motoring. Perhaps the public is now getting ready to accept a small car”. Clymer also took a 1957 Metropolitan hardtop through a grueling 2,912 mi (4,686 km) road test that even took him 14,100 ft (4,300 m) up Pikes Peak. He summed up his experience that “I can not praise the Metropolitan too highly. It is a fascinating little car to drive, its performance is far better than one would expect, and the ride is likewise more than expected”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_Metropolitan

  180. Yawrate says:
    @anon

    For best effect don’t post that AR4 Model graph…it disproves your point.

  181. @RadicalCenter

    You neglected to mention the freedom-infringing tracking devices standard on all Tesla cars. When enough people voluntarily accept such tracking tech, it makes it much easier for the criminal Gov to make it a LAW that ALL personal transport have that tracking tech installed in it. Before you spout-off about how we are already tracked by our smart phones, etc., remember that there is no law that says we must own a smart phone or even have one with us wherever we go-YET!
    Remember, America is not a Country, it’s a CORPORATION, and Americans are the commodity.

  182. SonYong says:
    @anon

    There is no credibility to a graph showing the collective effort of climate fascists to adjust their models to past measurements. The public was presented with models that

    – purported to predict a rise in atmospheric temperatures,
    – at a time when ocean temperatures were being measured on a wide scale, so that they could be taken account of in the models,

    – and . the . rise . in . atmospheric . temperatures . did . not . happen – aka . the . pause.

    And what pause to the pause there is has coincided with el Nino. There is nothing more to the present panic.

    And of course you would expect ocean temperatures to rise if there is warming due to natural causes. A rise in ocean temperatures in and of itself does not show anything.

    And how can temperatures across all oceans and across all depths be measured reliably anyway? Moored buoys cover only a small part of the oceans, non-moored buoys are not fixed in place, and calibration measurements from ships cannot be made everywhere – otherwise, non-moored buoys wouldn’t be needed in the first place. So we are back to, drum roll…, models.

    And no, the process of becoming less alkaline is not called acidification, just like global warming is not called climate change. There is a reason why scientific terminology has to be descriptive, not just in a very narrow sense technically correct, a point that evades you and your fellow climate totalitarians completely and consistently.

  183. @nokangaroos

    This article is about the oil cartels suppressing a technology that could take money out of their pockets. Do you honestly believe that they are not also suppressing battery technology that could likewise take profits out of their pockets? The kind of battery tech that could do away with gasoline already exists. It’s being suppressed until the population is sufficiently conditioned to accept being tracked everywhere that they drive, just as a Tesla car currently does. Once a sufficient amount of the American population has been conditioned to accept being tracked everywhere that they go, then a law will be passed requiring that all personal transport have real-time GPS installed. This will allow the criminal powers-that-be to track and tax you for every mile that you drive, and THEN gasoline powered personal transport will start going away.

  184. The situation gets more embarassing when you consider a lot of military equipment uses highly tuned electric generators powered by diesel, gasoline, … then feed eletric drivetrains with the output energy.

    This eliminates the need for gears, reduces noise and emissions, increases efficient by a huge factor without the gains in weight, price or environmental harm Lithium-ion batteries have.

    With hub motors you can eliminate most of the moving parts of the car gaining a massive boost in reliability while decreasing weight and increasing MPG ratings.

    Other suppressed innovations like airless tires, cameras for side mirrors, magnetic suspensions… also come to mind. Regulations require cars to be heavy and full of nonsensical adjustments. It’s an industry that needs planned obsolescence and products that requires constant maintenance to keep their growth projections. Also the oil lobby demands it to be inefficient and locked down to its derivatives to guarantee demand.

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