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When Yahweh resided in an Arabian volcano

“Yahweh came from Sinai” (Deuteronomy 33:2; Psalms 68:18). It is in Sinai that Moses first encounters Yahweh; it is back to Sinai that Moses leads Yahweh’s people from Egypt; and it is from Sinai that, two years later, on Yahweh’s order again, Moses sets off with them to conquer a piece of the Fertile Crescent.

But where is Sinai, with its Mount Horeb? Exodus unequivocally places it in the land of Midian. After fleeing “into Midianite territory,” Moses is hosted by “a priest of Midian with seven daughters” (2:15-16). He “agreed to stay on there with the man, who gave him his daughter Zipporah in marriage” (2:21). Moses’ father-in-law is named Reuel in Exodus 2:18, but Jethro in Numbers 3:1, “Hobab son of Reuel the Midianite” in Numbers 10:29, and “Hobab the Kenite” in Judges 1:16. We’ll call him Jethro, his most popular name. His daughter Zipporah gave Moses two sons: Gershom (2:22) and Eliezer (18:4). It is while grazing his father-in-law’s flocks that Moses finds himself near Mount Horeb, “to the far side of the desert” (3:1), where he hears Yahweh call his name. By implication, Sinai is in Midian.

And where is Midian? Greek authors unanimously place it in northwestern Arabia, on the eastern shore of the Gulf of Aqaba. Even Paul the Apostle, who spent three years in Arabia, knew that “Sinai is a mountain in Arabia” (Galatians 4:25). It was not before the 4th century that the biblical Sinai was misplaced in the Egyptian peninsula, probably for geopolitical reasons (Egypt was within the control of the Roman Empire, unlike Arabia, under Persian influence). But placing the biblical Sinai west of the Gulf of Aqaba didn’t make any sense, since that region had always belonged to Egypt (archeology has confirmed it). Why would the Israelites have settled there when chased by the Egyptian army? The same goes for Moses’ earlier flight from Egypt as a wanted murderer. Never mind if these stories are true or not: the point is that their authors could not possibly have placed Sinai and Mount Horeb within Egyptian territory.

Where, then, did the Israelites cross the Red Sea? They probably didn’t: the biblical “Red Sea” is a mistranslation originating from the Greek Septuagint. These waters are simply referred to in Hebrew as Yam Suph (23 times), which means “Sea of Reeds,” and suggests a body of shallow fresh water, which Yahweh simply “dried up” before the Israelites, according to Joshua 2:10. It could be anywhere, in this land of ephemeral wadis.

The precise location of Mount Horeb or Mount Sinai (both names are used interchangeably) can be deduced from the phenomena witnessed by the Israelites there:

“there were peals of thunder and flashes of lightning, dense cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast; and, in the camp, all the people trembled. Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet God; and they took their stand at the bottom of the mountain. Mount Sinai was entirely wrapped in smoke, because Yahweh had descended on it in the form of fire. The smoke rose like smoke from a furnace and the whole mountain shook violently. Louder and louder grew the trumpeting. Moses spoke, and God answered him in the thunder” (Exodus 19:16-19).

If Mount Horeb shakes like a volcano, rumbles like a volcano, smokes like a volcano, and spits fire like a volcano, then it should be a volcano. The region of Midian in Northwestern Arabia happens to be a volcanic area, unlike the Egyptian Sinai. Volcanic activity was still reported there in the Middle Ages.[1]Colin Humphreys, The Miracles of Exodus: A Scientist’s Discovery of the Extraordinary Natural Causes of the Biblical Stories, HarperOne, 2003. One likely candidate is Jabal Maqla, which is part of the Jabal al-Lawz mountain range in northwestern Saudi Arabia. Its summit, reaching almost 8500 feet, consists of metamorphic rocks of volcanic origin.

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Explorer Charles Beke was one of the first modern scholars to point out that Mount Sinai must be a volcano (Mount Sinai a Volcano, 1873), and to place it in Arabia (Sinai in Arabia and of Midian, 1878). New arguments were added in 1910 by Czech orientalist and explorer Alois Musil, who in turn inspired other investigators and scholars.[2]Jean Kœnig, “Le Sinaï, montagne de feu dans un désert de ténèbres,” in Revue de l’histoire des religions, tome 167, n°2, 1965, pp. 129-155, on www.persee.fr The Jabal al-Lawz candidacy has gained the support of a growing number of scholars, including Hershel Shanks, editor of the Biblical Archaeology Review, and Frank Moore Cross, professor of Hebrew at Harvard. What was originally a confidential scholarly debate began to be popularized in the 1990s, in books by adventurers such as Larry Williams,[3]Larry Williams, The Mountain of Moses, The Discovery of Mount Sinai, Wynwood Press, 1990, republished under the title The Mount Sinai Myth. or Howard Blum,[4]Howard Blum The Gold of Exodus: The Discovery of the True Mount Sinai, Simon & Schuster, 1998. and documentary films such as “Searching for the real Mt Sinai,” or “Search for Mt. Sinai-Mountain of Fire”).

Two new books appeared recently, one by a Christian Evangelical, Joel Richardson (Mount Sinai in Arabia), and the other by a Jewish rabbi, Alexander Hool (Searching for Sinai). And in 2018, the Doubting Thomas Research Foundation has launched a couple of websites, SinaiInArabia.com and jabalmaqla.com, dedicated to present the complete evidence for the Arabian Sinai. It has produced the best documentary so far, “Finding the Mountain of Moses: The Real Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia.”

NEOM and the Saudi-Israeli secret deal

So far, the Saud royal clan, while well aware of possessing the true Sinai and the archeological remnants surrounding it, have prohibited its access to foreign adventurers and archeologists. But it may soon become an issue in the war of holy places in the Middle East. During their occupation of the Egyptian Sinai between 1967 and 1982, the Israelis had engaged in intense but fruitless archaeological search there; the Arabian alternative for the Mountain of God cannot leave them indifferent. Huge symbolic power is at stake. As everything biblical, the issue has far-reaching geopolitical implications in the eyes of the lords of Zion. Not to mention the financial prospect. Joel Richardson’s introduction to his Mount Sinai in Arabia sounds like a touristic pamphlet targeting Yahweh worshippers worldwide:

“This was the very place where God Himself ‘came down’. […] This is a mountain that is literally drenched with divine history. […] Visiting Jebel al-Lawz […] was the single most soul-stirring and faith-building experience of my life. […] The time is ripe. Within the sovereignty of God, I fully believe that the season has come in which Jebel al-Lawz will finally be fully opened not only to archeologists but to the whole world.”

The growing popularization of the Arabian Sinai cannot be unrelated to the NEOM project announced in October 2017 by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman: a high-tech, ultra-connected, transnational mega city and economic zone, covering 10,230 square-miles (about the size of Massachusetts), which happens to correspond roughly to ancient Midian. Operating under a specific legal regime geared for a Western lifestyle and insulated from Islamic law, NEOM will also target luxury tourism. Richardson hopes that Jebel al-Lawz will be part of the attraction:

“If current plans continue, the Saudi Kingdom will soon be opening to tourism for the first time in its history. Is the sovereign hand of God at work? […] In the current atmosphere of increasing unbelief, the same God who descended upon the mountain before multitudes has ordained that it now emerge from the relative shadows to be marveled upon by an even greater multitude.”[5]Joel Richardson, Mount Sinai in Arabia, WinePress Media, 2019.

Israel, whose city of Eilat will be just a few kilometers away with direct access by boat, is a major—although discreet—stakeholder in the mega-project. A Jerusalem Post reporter claims to have seen

“correspondence between Arab diplomats and Israeli businessmen confirming that talks are ongoing over economic cooperation, and a number of Israeli companies are already selling cybersecurity tools to the Saudi government.”

This joint venture, comments the Israeli reporter, is “a blow to the decades-long Arab League boycott of the Jewish state.” Indeed, the legendary Saudi-Israeli enmity is rapidly morphing into an overt alliance for the control of the Middle East at the expense of Iran. MBS may now be reversing 70 years of Saudi boycott of Israel, saying, “Jews has a right to their own land.”

What sparked this romance was love potion # 9/11. This sophisticated false flag operation orchestrated by the crypto-Zionist neocons had an inbuilt device to blackmail Saudi Arabia into alignment (or, let’s say, force the Sauds to purge their anti-Israeli elements): besides Osama bin Laden, 15 of the 19 alleged hijackers were Saudis. That was a message in itself, and David Wurmser hammered it with an article in the Weekly Standard of October 29, 2001, entitled: “The Saudi Connection: Osama bin Laden’s a Lot Closer to the Saudi Royal Family Than You Think.” Many books and articles were written with the same line.[6]Dore Gold, Hatred’s Kingdom: How Saudi Arabia Supports the New Global Terrorism, Regnery Publishing, 2004. Pressure increased when the New York Times, July 26, 2003, revealed that a 28-page section detailing possible involvement of specific Saudi officials had been censored from the 9/11 Commission Report. One of the key men in this blackmailing operation was Senator Bob Graham, brother-in-law of Washington Post owner Katharine Graham (born Meyer), with his book[7]Bob Graham, Intelligence Matters: The CIA, the FBI, Saudi Arabia, and the Failure of America’s War on Terror, Random House , 2004. and interviews, notably on Democracy Now. To anyone aware that bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, it should be obvious that the 28 “censored” pages of the 9/11 Commission report are a sham like the rest of it, an integral part of the false flag to blackmail Saudi Arabia into a new Israel-friendly policy.

It was effective, judging from the good job the Saudis have done for Israel in the last decade, by directing their jihadists against Libya and Syria. “Israel is said to be working with Saudi Arabia on Iran strike plan,” according to The Times of Israel, November 17, 2013. The Saud’s war in Yemen, directed against the Houthi Ansarullah movement, mostly Shiite and Israelophobic (“Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews,” says their slogan), is another proof of their readiness to serve Zion. On October 26, 2017, Mohammad bin Salman declared that his war against Yemen is about preventing the creation of another Hezbollah in the Middle East. Iran is justifiably worried about this new alliance, as you can see in this 2017 Press TV debate.

Some believe that the Saudi-Israeli secret alliance actually goes back to the very foundation of Saudi Arabia. At least, a strong argument can be made that the creation of Saudi Arabia by Great Britain in the early 20th century fitted the Zionist agenda (read “How Zionism helped create the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia”). Made and maintained by the same Anglo-Zionist forces, both States are destined to disappear together, Sheikh Imran Hosein believes. But the Zionist plan is to fulfill Yahweh’s promise to Abraham (which Jews generally consider a promise to the Jews): “To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates” (Genesis 15:18-21). Which, of course, means that northern Arabia must one day fall under Israeli control. Which is what NEOM may really be about. The signs of a “Greater Israel” hidden agenda are everywhere, including in such headlines as Haaretz’s “Before Islam: When Saudi Arabia Was a Jewish Kingdom,” a perfect example of Israelis’ propensity to use insignificant or fraudulent archeological findings to support their imperial hubris.

Greater Israel, “from the Nile to the Euphrates”
Greater Israel, “from the Nile to the Euphrates”

There are actually rumors that both Muhammad ibn Saud (1710-1765), founder of the Saud dynasty, and his partner Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab (1703-1792), founder of Wahhabism, were Jews of ancient stock. The Memoirs of a British spy named Hempher, made known in 1888 by Ottoman admiral Ayyub Sabri Pasha, claims that Abd-al-Wahab was from a family of Dönmeh, and that his reform was covertly supported by the British as part of a strategy to foment division within Islam and destabilize Ottoman rule. This source is taken seriously in an Iraqi Military Intelligence report dated 2002 and entitled “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots”, translated by the U.S. Department of Defense. The Iraqi report also refers to other Arabian sources claiming that ibn Saud was descended from a Jewish merchant from Basra. These claims receive a lot of echo in the Islamic world. It is especially common among Iranian Shiites to consider that “Wahhabism has its roots in Judaism,” as an Iranian top general recently stated.[8]Seth Frantzman, “IRGC General Soleimani says roots of Wahhabism are Jewish, linked to ISIS,” Jerusalem Post, February 22, 2019. Wahhabis do indeed seem to be driven by the same bloodthirsty demon that spoke to Moses, Joshua and Elijah, a point appropriately illustrated by their fury against Baal, Yahweh’s biblical nemesis, whose ancient temple in Palmyra the Islamic State blew up in 2015.

Although the crypto-Jewish origins of Wahhabism and/or the Saud dynasty seem impossible to authenticate, they are not implausible. There have been powerful Jewish communities in Arabia from very ancient times. At the time of the prophet Muhammad, writes Gordon Newby in A History of the Jews of Arabia, “Jews were present in all areas of Arabian society. There were Jewish merchants, Jewish bedouins, Jewish farmers, Jewish poets, and Jewish warriors. Jews lives in castles and in tents. They spoke Arabic as well as Hebrew and Aramaic.”[9]Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, From Ancient Times to Their Ecclipse under Islam, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, p. 49. They bore Arab names and their tribal organization was no different from that of other Arabs. Many converted to Islam over the centuries but some may have maintained some secret Jewishness. The most powerful Jewish community that Muhammad had to deal with was that of Khaybar, a hundred miles north of Medina. In the 12th century, there were still 50,000 Jews in that region, according to Jewish traveller Benjamin of Tuleda. They “go forth to pillage and to capture booty from distant lands in conjunction with the Arabs, their neighbors and allies.”[10]The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tuleda, critical text, translation and commentary by Marcus Nathan Adler, London, 1907, p. 47-48, on www.teachittome.com/seforim2/seforim/masaos_binyomin_mitudela_with_english.pdf In 1875, Charles Montagu Doughty found that they had become “Moslems outwardly, but, in secret, cruel Jews that will suffer no stranger to enter among them.”[11]Ibid, footnote by Marcus Nathan Adler, p. 47.
(The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tuleda, critical text, translation and commentary by Marcus Nathan Adler, London, 1907, p. 47-48, on www.teachittome.com/seforim2/seforim/masaos_binyomin_mitudela_with_english.pdf)
Itzhak Ben-Zvi postulates a form of crypto-Judaism to explain the simultaneity of the decline of north Arabian Jewry and the rise of the Wahhabis.[12]Itzhak Ben-Zvi, The Exiled and the Redeemed, Jewish Publication Society, 1957, p. 193, quoted in Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, From Ancient Times to Their Ecclipse under Islam, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, p. 104.

The Arabian cradle of Judaism

The question of the Jewish origins of the Sauds belongs to the larger issue of the ties between Judaism, Islam, and Arabia. In the rest of this article, I will present the overwhelming evidence for the Arab origin of the Israelites, then the equally overwhelming evidence for the Jewish origin of Islam and the Mosaic pattern of its conquest of Syria. By connecting these two pictures, we’ll get a broader perspective on the deep cultural current that has kept spreading from the Arabian desert since Moses’ time.

First, let’s get back to Moses’ story. As I have said in an earlier article, the general scholarly consensus is that the first compilation of the Tanakh dates from the exilic period. But the Exodus story itself is much older and, apart from miracles and revelations, it has the ring of historical plausibility. The name “Israelites” must be anachronistic, though, since the kingdom named Israel existed long before being converted to Yahwism by Judeans. The Bible indicates that the “Israelites” were called “Hebrews” by the Egyptians (14 times in Exodus) and by the Philistines (8 times in 1Samuel), a term also employed with the vulgar meaning of “bandits” or “robbers” in Isaiah 1:23 and Hosea 6:9.[13]Niels Peter Lemche, The Israelites in History and Tradition, John Knox Press, 1998, pp. 58-60. That name may be identical to the Habirus mentioned in the Amarna tablets discovered in Middle Egypt, sent from Canaan some time during the second millennium BCE to implore the speedy aid of the Pharaoh against the nomadic tribes of Habirus.[14]Karl Budde, Religion of Israel to the Exile, New York, 1899 (archive.org), pp. 5-11. Moses’ throng of migrants was probably not the first wave of Habirus to covet Canaan , and certainly not the last.

Canaan was a prosperous region, unlike the poorer lands of its southern fringe. Its inhabitants, whom the Bible portrays as detestable idolaters, were members of a technologically and culturally advanced civilization, organized in city-states, producing wheat, wine, oil, and other valuable products in large quantities. According to the report of the tribal chiefs sent by Moses in reconnaissance, “It does indeed flow with milk and honey. […] At the same time, its inhabitants are a powerful people; the towns are fortified and very big” (Numbers 13:27-28).

It is commonly held that the biblical paradigm for the relationship between Jews and Arabs is encapsulated in the Genesis story of the half-brothers Isaac and Ishmael. But in fact, a more revealing background is provided by the Exodus story of the Israelis’ interaction with the Midianites, a semi-nomadic people known for their advanced skill in domesticating camels, and for their extensive commercial activity.[15]Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard UP, 2016, p. 57.

As in a palimpsest, the narrative presenting Moses as the true discoverer of Yahweh seems to be written over an older story presenting Yahweh as a Midianite god adopted by Moses from his father-in-law, who is said to be a “priest” (kohen). Exodus hints that Mount Horeb was already known “holy ground” (3:5) when Moses approached it. And the Bible so much emphasizes that marrying a non-Israelite woman leads to adopting her gods that we may apply it to Moses, especially since it is Moses’ Midianite wife who, “taking up a flint, […] cut off her son’s foreskin” in order to appease Yahweh’s anger toward her husband (Exodus 4:24-26).

In Exodus 18, after leading his people from Egypt and establishing his camp in the Midianite desert, “Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, bowed to him and kissed him.” Then Jethro “offered a burnt offering and other sacrifices to God; and Aaron and all the elders of Israel came and ate with Moses’ father-in-law in the presence of God” (18:7-12). Here it is Jethro who acts as a priest of Yahweh, while Moses and Aaron are merely guests in the ceremony. Soon after, when Moses feels overwhelmed by the task of governing alone a great number of people, it is Jethro who, again with the authority of a priest of Yahweh, advises him to institute the Judges; “Moses took his father-in-law’s advice and did just as he said” (18:19-25). Moses then needs his father-in-law to guide him to Canaan, telling him: “You know where we can camp in the desert, and so you will be our eyes. If you come with us, we shall share with you whatever blessings Yahweh gives us” (Numbers 10:31-32). From Judges 1:16, we understand that Moses’s father-in-law agreed and “marched up with the sons of Judah.”

The sum of all these stories suggests that the cult of Yahweh originated with the Midianites. This hypothesis was first formulated in German by Friedrich Wilhelm Ghillany in 1863,[16]In his Theologische Briefe an die Gebildeten der deutschen Nation, under the pseudonym of Richard von der Alm (Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard UP, 2016, p. 67). then in English by Karl Budde in 1899.[17]Karl Budde, Religion of Israel to the Exile, Lowrie Press, 2008, p. 19. The theory has gained wide support, and is today convincingly presented by Swiss scholar Thomas Römer.[18]Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard University Press, 2016. It doesn’t necessarily imply that the Hebrews only adopted Yahweh under Moses’ guidance: when Yahweh mandates Moses to tell his people in Egypt, “Yahweh, the god of your ancestors, has appeared to me” (3:16), the implication is rather that he is talking to Midianites. The situation is historically plausible, since nomadic tribes are known to have migrated into the pastureland of the border-districts of Egypt, from where they could be put to contribution for any great building operations.[19]Karl Budde, Religion of Israel to the Exile, p. 12.

Moses’ most significant innovation to the Midianite cult, apparently, was to provide Yahweh with mobility, thanks to the Ark and the Tabernacle, a luxurious gold-plated tent (using the gold stolen from the Egyptians), the detailed specifications of which are given in Exodus, chapters 25 to 31. Henceforth, it is in in this tent that Moses—believe it or not—would talk to Yahweh “face to face, as a man talks to his friend” (33:11). That delocalization of Yahweh can be regarded as the first stage in the long process that will ultimately turn Yahweh from a volcano-dwelling deity into the omnipresent “God of Heaven and Earth.”

Yet Yahweh would long remain attached to the volcanic crater from which it first emerged into this world. He had guided the Israelites from Egypt, “by day in a pillar of cloud to show them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light” (13:21), as if by a vision of himself as volcano. On the eve of the migration from Sinai to Canaan, there is a vague notion that he wouldn’t really leave his mountain, but will “send an angel” to guide Moses (Exodus 23:20).[20]In Judge 4:8, “the Angel of Yahweh,” rather than Yahweh himself, gives victory to the Israelites. Centuries after the Exodus, the prophet Elijah walks 40 days on a pilgrimage to “the mount of God, to Horeb,” where, after a hurricane, an earthquake and a fire eruption, he received God’s word (1Kings 19). Yahweh continues to be called El Shaddai, possibly meaning “the god from the mountain” (Genesis 17:1, Exodus 6:2–3).[21]Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard UP, 2016, p. 108. His addiction to the “pleasant smell” of carbonized flesh, known as holocausts (Genesis 8:21) can be ascribed to his volcanic genes. And he definitely keeps a volcanic character throughout: he is “a consuming fire” (Deuteronomy 4:24), expected in prophetic visions to “glow like a furnace,” and “set ablaze” all evil-doers (Malachi 3:19).

Other Abrahamic peoples

According to Genesis 25:2-4, the Midianites are descendants of Abraham by his second wife Keturah. They are therefore heirs of the Abrahamic covenant, just like the Ishmaelites, descendants of Abraham by his servant Agar. Midianites and Ishmaelites are actually more or less confused in Genesis 37, where it is said that Joseph was sold by Midianites to Ishmaelites who took him to Egypt (37:28), then that “the Midianites had sold him in Egypt” (37:36).

In addition to the Midianites, the Israelites interact with a series of peoples on their way to Canaan, notably the Moabites, the Edomites (or Idumeans), and the Amalekites. Although they practice agriculture around urbanized crossroads, all these peoples are mostly semi-nomadic pastors and merchants. They are all given as descendants of Abraham in Genesis: Moab is Abraham’s nephew (19:31-38), Edom or Esau is Abraham’s grandson (25:25), and Amaleq is Esau’s grandson (36:12). Kinship doesn’t necessarily rhyme with friendship. The Israelites are told in Deuteronomy, “You must not regard the Edomite as detestable, for he is your brother” (23:8), but Moabites must be excluded from the community to the tenth generation (23:4-5). As for the Amalekites, who “occupy the Negeb area” according to Numbers 13:29, they deserve to be eradicated from the face of the earth according to 1Samuel 15:2.

In Judges 1:16, Moses’s father-in-law is called a Kenite rather than a Midianite. It is generally assumed that the Kenites were a tribe among the larger nation of the Midianites, and that the Israelites had a special alliance with the Kenites, rather than with the Midianites as a whole. The name of the Kenites actually means “blacksmiths” or “iron-workers”, and it makes sense for such people to worship a volcano. Tribes of blacksmiths were nomadic because their skills were required over a very wide area. They were the objects of superstitious fears, because the art of metalworking is associated with magic. Strangely, the name of the Kenites (Qayn in Hebrew) is identical to the name of Cain, whose descendants are described in Genesis 4 as “restless wanderers” living in tents, inventors of ironwork, makers of metallic musical instruments, and protected from harm by a mysterious mark. The original Cain and Abel story must have originated from a people who claimed Cain as their ancestors,[22]There are other examples of nomadic people attributing their way of life to an ancestor’s transgression. Yuri Slezkine remarks that before the modern era, some ethnic groups of wanderers conceived their mode of existence “as divine punishment for an original transgression” (Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century, Princeton UP, 2004, pp. 22-23). since the third brother Seth appears to be a secondary addition (his children’s names in Genesis 5:6-32 are a copy of Cain’s children’s names in Genesis 4:17-18). Other biblical traditions may be derived from Kenite folklore, according to Hyam Maccoby.[23]Hyam Maccoby, The Sacred Executioner: Human Sacrifice and the Legacy of Guilt, Thames & Hudson, 1982, pp. 13–51.

According to 1Chronicles 2:55, the Kenites are “descended from Hammath, father of the House of Rechab.” This makes the Kenites identical or kindred to the Rechabites. Jonadab the son of Rechab stands at the side of the Judean Yahwist general Jehu when he exterminates the priests of Baal in the northern kingdom of Israel (2Rois 10). The prophet Jeremiah commends the Rechabites for their fidelity to Yahweh and to their ancestor who ordered them not to “drink wine, build houses, sow seed, plant vineyards or own them, but [to] live in tents all your lives” (Jeremiah 35:6-7). Benjamin of Tuleda mentions Rechabites in Arabia in the 12th century, and several explorers still find them there in the early 19th century.[24]Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, From Ancient Times to Their Ecclipse under Islam, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, pp. 100, 103.

The Kenites and Rechabites are the only peoples besides the Israelites who are presented systematically in benevolent terms in the bible. Saul spares the Kenites when he exterminates the Amalekites among whom they dwell, because, he tells them, “you acted with faithful love towards all the Israelites when they were coming up from Egypt” (1Samuel 15:6). When David “sent parts of the booty to the elders of Judah, town by town,” some of it goes to “the towns of the Kenites” (1Samuel 30:26-29).[25]See also Numbers 24:21 and Judges 5:24. In contrast, the rest of the Midianites are presented negatively from the beginning of the conquest of Canaan. In Numbers 31, Midianites dwelling in the land of Moab are blamed for inciting the Israelites to intermarry with the Moabites, bringing on them “the vengeance of Yahweh.” Moses formed an army to slaughter all the Midianites. (Yet in Judges 6, the Midianites are still a powerful people, allied with the Amalekites to oppress the Israelites.)

Finally, we need to mention the Benjaminites. Although they are presented as one of the twelve tribes, the last chapters of Judges (19 to 21) show them at war with the other eleven tribes. Benjamin means Ben Yamin, or “son of Yemen.” Does that mean they came from Yemen, the south-western part of Arabia? It is not certain, since Yemen actually means “South”. But it is a strong possibility. There is a very ancient Jewish presence in Yemen, going back at least to the Himyarite Kingdom that controlled Arabia from the beginning of our era or earlier. It is believed that the king of Himyar converted to Judaism in 380 and that in the 6th century, the last Jewish king, Yûsuf Dhû Nuwâs, unleashed a great massacre of Christians, but fell in his turn when the Ethiopian Christian king invaded Yemen. The dates and details of this story are uncertain, and the origin of the Yemenite Jews (most of them relocated in Israel in 1949-50) remains partly mysterious. According to one of their legends, they were descended from the union of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. According to another, they had migrated from Israel before the destruction of the First Temple, and had refused to return from exile at the time of Ezra.[26]Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, pp. 18, 33-34. Genetic studies show that they are closely related to other Jewish groups, and linguistic studies show that Yemenite Hebrew is archaic.[27]Gordon D. Newby, “The Jews of Arabia at the Birth of Islam,” in Abdelwahab Meddeb and Benjamin Stora (eds), A History of Jewish–Muslim Relations – From the Origins to the Present Day, Princeton UP, 2013, pp. 39-57 (40).

In conclusion, we have found an abundance of biblical evidence that Yahweh was originally a Midianite god, perhaps specially worshipped by the Kenites and the Rechabites, and that those presented as “Israelites” originate from Arabia (whether or not they had spent time in eastern Egypt). There is also extra-biblical evidence of a very ancient connection between Jews and Arabs. The three Jewish tribes residing in Yathrib (Medina) at the time of Muhammad claimed they had been living in the Hijaz since the time of Moses. Orientalist David Samuel Margoliouth believed their presence may very well be that ancient. He also argued that many Hebrew names, including that of Yahweh, were Arabic, and that the Book of Job, among other biblical stories, “ostensibly comes from Arabia.”[28]David Samuel Margoliouth, Relations Between Arabs and Israelites Prior to the Rise of Islam: The Schweich Lectures 1921, Oxford UP, 1924 (archive.org).

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The story of Joseph looks totally Arabian to Kamal Salibi, professor of history and archeology in Beirut. In The Bible Came from Arabia (1985), he proposes a radical hypothesis: he relocates in Western Arabia all biblical place names and therefore all biblical history, from Abraham to Solomon through Moses. Egyptian researcher Ashraf Ezzat comes to a similar conclusion in his book Egypt Knew no Pharaohs nor Israelites. I do not find those theories very strong, but the evidence of the Arabic origin of Yahwism, the matrix of Jewish culture, is overwhelming.

The Judaic cradle of Islam

I mentioned earlier the thesis that Wahhabism is a Jewish creation. But was not Islam itself a Jewish creation from the beginning? The influence of Judaism on Muhammad is beyond question. It is reflected in many Koranic references to Moses (Musa), Abraham (Ibrahim), Joseph, David, Jonah, Solomon, and other biblical figures. Whole surahs are devoted to biblical legends, “often with postbiblical midrashic embellishments presumably gathered from local Jewish oral traditions,” writes professor Mark Cohen in the A History of Jewish-Muslim Relations. “At the outset, most scholars agree, Muhammad assumed the Jews would flock to his preaching and recognize him as their own prophet—indeed, the final, or ‘seal’ of the prophets.”[29]Mark R. Cohen, “Islamic Policy toward Jews from the Prophet Muhammad to the Pact of ‘Umar,” in Abdelwahab Meddeb and Benjamin Stora (eds), A History of Jewish–Muslim Relations – From the Origins to the Present Day, Princeton UP, 2013, pp. 58-70 (59). He prayed toward Jerusalem, adopted the Jews’ prohibitions, and fasted on the same days. He married a woman from the Banu an-Nadir, one of the two wealthiest Jewish tribes of Yathrib (Medina), considered to be of priestly origin, which puts him in a position strikingly reminiscent of Moses marrying the daughter of a Midianite priest.

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The Jewish tribes of Yathrib “were supposed to have derived from a migration of priests to Arabia some time after the destruction of the Second Temple,” explains Gordon Newby, author of a respected History of the Jews of Arabia. “The presence of a [Jewish] priestly influence in Arabia will help account for the plethora of eschatological traditions ascribed to Jews in Islamic literature or utilized by Muslim exegetes based on Jewish writings”.[30]Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, pp. 17 and 47. According to Newby, “Islam developed against the background of an Arabia strongly under the influence of Judaism.”

“Islam and Judaism in Arabia during Muhammad’s lifetime were operating in the same sphere of religious discourse: the same fundamental questions were discussed from similar perspectives; moral and ethical values were similar; both religions shared the same religious characters, stories, and anecdotes. We can see this when we look at the implied context of the Qur’ânic message. There is no expectation that the stories we call biblical are anything but familiar to the Arabian listeners. […] Muhammad’s expectations that he might convert the Jews to his view were not unreasonable. It is clear that Muhammad did not think that he was starting a ‘new’ religion but, rather, restoring and reforming the Abrahamic heritage among the Jews and Christians of Arabia.”[31]Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, pp. 105, 84-85.

According to French historian of Islam Alfred-Louis de Prémare, all information available, from every origin (Syriac, Armenian or Greek), indicates that Muhammad was the initiator of the Arab conquest of Palestine. The initial orientation of the prayer towards the Holy City bears witness to this (it was redirected toward Mecca in the 8th century).[32]Alfred-Louis de Prémare, Les Fondations de l’islam, Seuil, 2002, pp. 131-135. Like the Israelite conquest ten centuries before, the Arab conquest was a form of razzia. It “appealed to the greed for booty of ever larger circles of Arabs,” in the words of historian of Islam Hichem Djait. “Almost all Arabs who participated in the wars of conquest found themselves enriched by booty, to the point that we can say that booty became the incentive for the conquest.”[33]Hichem Djaït, La Grande Discorde. Religion et politique dans l’islam des origines, Gallimard, 1989, pp. 70-71, 96. Like the Israelites, they had a strong ethnic consciousness: the Prophet and most of his companions, as well as all the caliphs up to the 13th century, came from a single Arab tribe, the Quraych, who already controlled the sanctuary of Mecca in pre-Islamic times.

The context was strikingly similar to that of the biblical conquest of Canaan. Moses had taken advantage of the centuries-long struggle between Egypt and Assyria for the control of Syria. Muhammad and his successors took advantage of the war between the Persian and the Byzantium empires for the control of the very same territory. These Byzantine-Sasanian wars had exhausted both empires’ military resources, and revived among Jewish communities the messianic hope of seizing power over the ancient land of Israel. Around 612, the 4,000 Jews living in the city of Tyre secretly conspired with Jews from Jerusalem, Cyprus, Damascus, Tiberias and Galilee, to seize their city during the Christian holiday of Easter, then march together to drive the Christians out of Jerusalem. The plot was discovered and the Jewish army of 26,000 found Tyre well prepared to receive them. But when in 614 the Persians besieged Jerusalem, they were assisted from within by the Jews, who then received governorship over the city and permission to build a temple. The Jews then committed one of the largest massacres of Christians in history (read “Mamilla Pool,” by Israel Shamir). The Persians changed their policy within three months and expelled the Jews from Jerusalem.

When the Byzantines took back Palestine in 628, and their emperor Heraclius made a triumphal entry into Jerusalem in 630, many Jews took refuge to Arabia, Persia or Egypt. More fled when, two years later, weary of his Jewish subjects’ betrayals, Heraclius published an unprecedented decree compelling all the Jews and Samaritans of his empire to become Christians. Although the decree was not systematically enforced, it intensified the Jews’ anti-Byzantine messianic fever. Several Jewish apocalyptic and prophetic texts were written in that period, some promissing that “the Empire will soon pass to Israel.” The Sefer Zerubavel (or Apocalypse of Zerubbabel) announced the restoration of Israel and the establishment of the Third Temple, designating Heraclius (under the cryptogram Armilius) as the Antichrist. It is quite remarquable that the Islamic conquest of Syria followed within a few years of the proclamation by Heraclius of his “final solution” to the Jewish question.[34]Gilbert Dagron and Vincent Déroche, Juifs et chrétiens en Orient byzantin, Centre de recherche d’histoire et civilization de Byzance, 2010, p. 41.

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I recommand on the subject the first two chapters of the groundbreaking book by professors Patricia Crone and Michael Cook, Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World (available on archive.org). Drawing from non-Islamic sources of the 7th century, the authors find the origin of Islam in a form of Jewish messianism assigning to the Ishmaelites (or Hagarenes, from the name of Ishmael’s mother Hagar) a share in God’s promise to Abraham and the divinely ordained mission to take possession of the Promised Land in cooperation with the sons of Israel who have lost it.[35]Patricia Crone and Michael Cook, Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World, Cambridge UP, 1977. The following summary is based on pp. 6-30.

The sources used by the authors are not many, but they are very consistent in their accounts of “a wider intimacy in the relations of Arabs and Jews” at the time of Muhammad, and “the warmth of the Jewish reaction to the Arab invasion,” as well as “a marked hostility towards Christianity on the part of the invaders.” For example, the Doctrina Jacobi is a book written in Palestine in the 630s, in the form of a dialogue taking place in Carthage, between a sincerely converted Jew named Jacob and other Jews, either baptized by force or non-baptized. It mentions Muhammad as a prophet from the Saracens who is proclaiming “the advent of the anointed one who is to come” and the redemption of the Promised Land for all children of Abraham. The Secrets of Rabbi Simon ben Yohay is a Jewish apocalypse of the mid-eighth century. It asserts that God “brings the kingdom of Ishmael” in order to save the Jews from the wickedness of Byzantium. “He raises up over them a Prophet according to His will and will conquer the land for them and they will come and restore it in greatness, and there will be great terror between them and the sons of Esau.” Another important source is an Armenian Chronicle written in the 660s and ascribed to Bishop Sebeos. According to Crone and Cook, it presents the Islamic conquest as “an irredentism directed to the recovery of a divinely conferred birthright to the Promised Land,” in a partnership between the Sons of Ishmael and the Sons of Israel exiled in Arabia. It begins with the exodus of Jewish refugees from Edessa following its recovery by Heraclius from the Persians towards 628.

“They set out into the desert and came to Arabia, among the children of Ishmael; they sought their help, and explained to them that they were kinsmen according to the Bible. Although the Ishmaelites were ready to accept this close kinship, the Jews nevertheless could not convince the mass of the people, because their cults were different. At this time there was an Ishmaelite called Mahmet, a merchant; he presented himself to them as though at God’s command, as a preacher, as the way of truth, and taught them to know the God of Abraham, for he was very well-informed, and very well-acquainted with the story of Moses. As the command came from on high, they all united under the authority of a single man, under a single law, and, abandoning vain cults, returned to the living God who had revealed Himself to their father Abraham. Mahmet forbade them to eat the flesh of any dead animal, to drink wine, to lie or to fornicate. He added: ‘God has promised this land to Abraham and his posterity after him forever; he acted according to His promise while he loved Israel. Now you, you are the sons of Abraham and God fulfills in you the promise made to Abraham and his posterity. Only love the God of Abraham, go and take possession of your country which God gave to your father Abraham, and none will be able to resist you in the struggle, for God is with you.’ […] All that remained of the peoples of the children of Israel came to join them, and they constituted a mighty army. Then they sent an embassy to the emperor of the Greeks, saying: ‘God has given this land as a heritage to our father Abraham and his posterity after him; we are the children of Abraham; you have held our country long enough; give it up peacefully, and we will not invade your territory; otherwise, we will retake with interest what you have taken.’”

The general picture drawn from non-Islamic sources finds confirmation in a few fossilized elements within the Islamic tradition, such as the “Constitution of Medina,” “a patently anomalous and plausibly archaic element of the Islamic tradition,” that documents the alliance between Muhammad and the powerful Jewish tribes of Yathrib.

It was only after the Arab conquest of Jerusalem that a break appeared between Jews and Arabs, leading to a rewriting of their relationship in Islamic sources. Crone and Cook find evidence of “an overt quarrel between Jews and Arabs over the possession of the site of the Holy of Holies, in which the Arabs frustrate a Jewish design to restore the Temple and build their own oratory there instead.” Simultaneously, “as the Hagarenes broke with their erstwhile Jewish protégés and acquired large numbers of Christian subjects, their initial hostility to Christianity was clearly liable to erosion.” The messianic significance of the conquest was toned down, and Jesus was recognized as Messiah—but the hatred of the cross was maintained through a clever invocation of Docetism. “In the figure of Jesus Christianity offered a messiah fully disengaged from the political fortunes of the Jews. All the Hagarenes had to do to rid themselves of their own messianic incubus was to borrow the messiah of the Christians.”

However, “The harder they leant on Christianity to dissociate themselves from the Jews, the greater the danger that they would simply end up by becoming Christians like the majority of their subjects.” Hence the development in the Koran of a specific “religion of Abraham,” which consisted mainly of circumcision and sacrifice—in reality “the perpetuation of pagan practice under a new Abrahamic aegis.” At this stage Samaritanism provided a model of dissociation from Judaism, with their alternative sanctuary of Shechem, supposedly founded by Abraham; when the Ishmaelites disengaged from Jerusalem, they likewise chose of a sanctuary of their own, namely Mecca’s Kaaba—a pre-islamic pagan shrine—, and claimed it had been founded by Abraham. Islam also agreed with Samaritans that the Jewish Torah has been corrupted over time. Yet despite the schism, Islam never lost contact with its Jewish origin, and even “acquired its classical rabbinic form in the shadow of Babylonian Judaism, probably in the aftermath of the transfer of power from Syria to Iraq in the middle of the eighth century.”

Some scholars see Islam as rooted in Judeo-Christian heresies, rather than in Judaism stricto sensu.[36]Karl-Heinz Ohlig and Gerd-Rudiger Puin (dir.), The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History, Prometheus Books, 2010. The arguments include a hadith about Waraka ibn Nawfal, a relative of Muhammad’s first wife Khadija, presented as a priest of the “Nazarenes” and the first believer in Muhammad’s calling (Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith, 1.3). When Muhammad told him about the angel’s visit, Waraka told him this was the same angel that God had sent to Moses. Waraqa “knew both the Torah and the Gospel,” and “copied in Hebrew all the part of the Gospel that God wanted him to transcribe.” Clearly, Waraqa is more Jewish than Christian, as were “Nazarenes” in general, a term refering generally to Jewish believers in the messiahship of Jesus who kept loyal to the Torah and circumcision. So the thesis of the origin of Islam in Judaizing Christian heresy is not contradictory with the thesis of its Jewish origin; but it is too narrow.

What did the Muslims do for the Jews?

By combining what we have learnt about the Arab origin of Mosaic Judaism, on the one hand, and about the Jewish origin of Islam, on the other, we get a very broad historical perspective. The conquest of Canaan launched by Moses and achieved by Joshua, which gave birth to Judaism, and the conquest of Syria launched by Muhammad and achieved by Abu Bakr, which gave birth to Islam, appear as two tidal waves of the same irresistible drive of Arabs and other Habirus to leave their inhospitable deserts and conquer the weakest and closest part of the Fertile Crescent.

Each wave is supported by the previous one and contributes to empower it. In all their conquests, the Arabs were favorably received by the Jews, who helped them overthrow Byzantine power. When Syria fell into Arab hands after the decisive battle of Yarmouk against the Byzantines in 636, the Holy City, from where the Jews had been banned since 135, became open to them again, and they rushed in. Although Islam then took some distance from Judaism, Jews assisted the Arabs in their subsequent conquest of Persia. And nowhere was the cooperation between Jews and Muslims more intimate than in the conquest of Catholic Visigothic Spain in 711. Muslim and Catholic sources agree that the conquering army, composed mostly of Berbers, included also many Jews, and that Iberian Jews provided valuable aid to the invaders. They were so trusted that conquered cities were left under the control of Jews.[37]Norman Roth, Jews, Visigoths and Muslims in medieval Spain: Cooperation and Conflict, Brill, 1994, pp. 79-90.

In return, the Islamic conquest remained a godsend for Jewish communities everywhere, even though their messsianic expectations were not fully realized. Previously, the Jews were divided into two empires at war with each other; the Jews of the Byzantine Empire were cut off from the intellectual center of Babylon, under Persian rule. A century after Muhammad’s death, virtually every Jew in the world lived in a unified political space. As dhimmis, they were still second-class citizens, but that was preferable to the status of non-citizens they had previously. In a world where, for two centuries, Muslims remained a minority, Jews were now equal to Christians, and enjoyed a very broad social autonomy. Arab conquerors, who needed skilled administrators, opened up for the Jews unexpected prospects for social advancement.

Jews no longer had to fear forced conversions. In fact, they were not even encouraged to convert by their Muslim masters. For in the ideology of the early conquerors, says Hichem Djait, “​​converting other peoples was not part of the agenda.” The aim was to rule over them and live off their work through heavy tax (the jizyah).[38]Hichem Djaït, La Grande Discorde, Gallimard, 1989, p. 70. Unlike the Christians, who for a long time remained attached to their Coptic, Syriac or Greek languages, the Jews quickly adopted Arabic, a Semitic language close to Aramaic and Hebrew, while developing, for internal use, a Judeo-Arabic language that allowed them to maintain a separation. Hebrew, which had been dead, was revived as a sacred language. “the Hebrew language developed its grammar and vocabulary on the model of the Arab language. The revival of Hebrew in our own times would be entirely unthinkable without the services rendered to it by Arabic in various ways a thousand years ago,” wrote S. D. Goitein.[39]S. D. Goitein, Jews and Arabs: Their Contacts through the Ages, Schocken Books, 1970, pp. 7-8. After the end of the Islamic conquest of Persia in the mid-8th century, the Talmudic institutions (Yeshiva) of Babylonia became the supreme spiritual authorities of the Jewish world, serving as centers of knowledge and organs of world government. Still in the 16th century, Jewish communities as far away as Spain sought guidance from Baghdad. “Islamic rule not only transformed Judaism but enabled its consolidation and diffusion,” writes historian Marina Rustow.[40]Marina Rustow, “Jews and Muslims in the Eastern Islamic World,” in Abdelwahab Meddeb and Benjamin Stora (eds), A History of Jewish–Muslim Relations – From the Origins to the Present Day, Princeton UP, 2013, pp. 75-96 (77-78).

Considering all this, David Wasserstein states in an article published in the Jewish Chronicle, entitled “So, what did the Muslims do for the Jews?”:

“Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth. The argument for it is double. First, in 570 CE, when the Prophet Mohammad was born, the Jews and Judaism were on the way to oblivion. And second, the coming of Islam saved them, providing a new context in which they not only survived, but flourished, laying foundations for subsequent Jewish cultural prosperity— also in Christendom—through the medieval period into the modern world. […] Had Islam not come along, Jewry in the west would have declined to disappearance and Jewry in the east would have become just another oriental cult.[41]David J Wasserstein, “So, what did the Muslims do for the Jews?” Jewish Chronicle, May 24, 2012, on www.thejc.com/comment/comment/so-what-did-the-muslims-do-for-the-jews-1.33597

Today, Israel benefits from Islam in different ways. First, it can use Islam to defuse the only real threat it faces in the Middle East: Arab nationalism. Arab secular states, such as those of Nasser, Saddam, Gaddaffi or al-Assad, have been the most dangerous enemies of the State of Israel, while political Islam has been Israel’s de facto ally in the weakening or the destruction of these states. It started with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. More recently, Israel has been supporting financially, militarily, and even medically, the jihadists who have plunged Syria into chaos. In Europe also, “Islam is the broom of Israel,” says French rabbi David Touitou.

Notes

[1] Colin Humphreys, The Miracles of Exodus: A Scientist’s Discovery of the Extraordinary Natural Causes of the Biblical Stories, HarperOne, 2003.

[2] Jean Kœnig, “Le Sinaï, montagne de feu dans un désert de ténèbres,” in Revue de l’histoire des religions, tome 167, n°2, 1965, pp. 129-155, on www.persee.fr

[3] Larry Williams, The Mountain of Moses, The Discovery of Mount Sinai, Wynwood Press, 1990, republished under the title The Mount Sinai Myth.

[4] Howard Blum The Gold of Exodus: The Discovery of the True Mount Sinai, Simon & Schuster, 1998.

[5] Joel Richardson, Mount Sinai in Arabia, WinePress Media, 2019.

[6] Dore Gold, Hatred’s Kingdom: How Saudi Arabia Supports the New Global Terrorism, Regnery Publishing, 2004.

[7] Bob Graham, Intelligence Matters: The CIA, the FBI, Saudi Arabia, and the Failure of America’s War on Terror, Random House , 2004.

[8] Seth Frantzman, “IRGC General Soleimani says roots of Wahhabism are Jewish, linked to ISIS,” Jerusalem Post, February 22, 2019.

[9] Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, From Ancient Times to Their Ecclipse under Islam, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, p. 49.

[10] The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tuleda, critical text, translation and commentary by Marcus Nathan Adler, London, 1907, p. 47-48, on www.teachittome.com/seforim2/seforim/masaos_binyomin_mitudela_with_english.pdf

[11] Ibid, footnote by Marcus Nathan Adler, p. 47.

[12] Itzhak Ben-Zvi, The Exiled and the Redeemed, Jewish Publication Society, 1957, p. 193, quoted in Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, From Ancient Times to Their Ecclipse under Islam, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, p. 104.

[13] Niels Peter Lemche, The Israelites in History and Tradition, John Knox Press, 1998, pp. 58-60.

[14] Karl Budde, Religion of Israel to the Exile, New York, 1899 (archive.org), pp. 5-11.

[15] Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard UP, 2016, p. 57.

[16] In his Theologische Briefe an die Gebildeten der deutschen Nation, under the pseudonym of Richard von der Alm (Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard UP, 2016, p. 67).

[17] Karl Budde, Religion of Israel to the Exile, Lowrie Press, 2008, p. 19.

[18] Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard University Press, 2016.

[19] Karl Budde, Religion of Israel to the Exile, p. 12.

[20] In Judge 4:8, “the Angel of Yahweh,” rather than Yahweh himself, gives victory to the Israelites.

[21] Thomas Römer, The Invention of God, Harvard UP, 2016, p. 108.

[22] There are other examples of nomadic people attributing their way of life to an ancestor’s transgression. Yuri Slezkine remarks that before the modern era, some ethnic groups of wanderers conceived their mode of existence “as divine punishment for an original transgression” (Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century, Princeton UP, 2004, pp. 22-23).

[23] Hyam Maccoby, The Sacred Executioner: Human Sacrifice and the Legacy of Guilt, Thames & Hudson, 1982, pp. 13–51.

[24] Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, From Ancient Times to Their Ecclipse under Islam, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, pp. 100, 103.

[25] See also Numbers 24:21 and Judges 5:24.

[26] Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, pp. 18, 33-34.

[27] Gordon D. Newby, “The Jews of Arabia at the Birth of Islam,” in Abdelwahab Meddeb and Benjamin Stora (eds), A History of Jewish–Muslim Relations – From the Origins to the Present Day, Princeton UP, 2013, pp. 39-57 (40).

[28] David Samuel Margoliouth, Relations Between Arabs and Israelites Prior to the Rise of Islam: The Schweich Lectures 1921, Oxford UP, 1924 (archive.org).

[29] Mark R. Cohen, “Islamic Policy toward Jews from the Prophet Muhammad to the Pact of ‘Umar,” in Abdelwahab Meddeb and Benjamin Stora (eds), A History of Jewish–Muslim Relations – From the Origins to the Present Day, Princeton UP, 2013, pp. 58-70 (59).

[30] Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, pp. 17 and 47.

[31] Gordon Darnell Newby, A History of the Jews of Arabia, The University of South Carolina Press, 1988, pp. 105, 84-85.

[32] Alfred-Louis de Prémare, Les Fondations de l’islam, Seuil, 2002, pp. 131-135.

[33] Hichem Djaït, La Grande Discorde. Religion et politique dans l’islam des origines, Gallimard, 1989, pp. 70-71, 96.

[34] Gilbert Dagron and Vincent Déroche, Juifs et chrétiens en Orient byzantin, Centre de recherche d’histoire et civilization de Byzance, 2010, p. 41.

[35] Patricia Crone and Michael Cook, Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World, Cambridge UP, 1977. The following summary is based on pp. 6-30.

[36] Karl-Heinz Ohlig and Gerd-Rudiger Puin (dir.), The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History, Prometheus Books, 2010.

[37] Norman Roth, Jews, Visigoths and Muslims in medieval Spain: Cooperation and Conflict, Brill, 1994, pp. 79-90.

[38] Hichem Djaït, La Grande Discorde, Gallimard, 1989, p. 70.

[39] S. D. Goitein, Jews and Arabs: Their Contacts through the Ages, Schocken Books, 1970, pp. 7-8.

[40] Marina Rustow, “Jews and Muslims in the Eastern Islamic World,” in Abdelwahab Meddeb and Benjamin Stora (eds), A History of Jewish–Muslim Relations – From the Origins to the Present Day, Princeton UP, 2013, pp. 75-96 (77-78).

[41] David J Wasserstein, “So, what did the Muslims do for the Jews?” Jewish Chronicle, May 24, 2012, on www.thejc.com/comment/comment/so-what-did-the-muslims-do-for-the-jews-1.33597

 
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  1. Paw says:

    Well done . One chapter about what No any certified ,hysterical historical scientist never can say,
    even if you smack his perfidios Doubleface.

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  2. AaronB says:

    As far as I’m concerned, Europe and Arabia were Jewish for the past two millenia.

    In modern times, Europe ceased being Jewish and reverted to a very primitive, materialistic form of paganism, where it is now, and of which Laurent Guyenot is a good example – which is why its losing its power and destroying itself.

    Europeans appear to be a people that struggle to achieve a high spiritual level, and can only attain it for a short time before reverting to cruder forms of life, as they are today (en masse, there have always been individual Europeans who have shown extraordinary capacity for spirituality. But they are Jews in spirit, and often in name).

    The concept of the Dark Ages seems unknown outside of Europe, and seems to reflect the fact that Europeans cannot attain a high spiritual level for very long, but exhibit a pattern of repeated spiritual collapse and backsliding. And many people agree today that Europe is entering its third Dark Age of crude pagan materialism.

    But Arabs remain Jewish, for the most part, so perhaps there is a natural seed of unity there.

    The obvious path back to health for Europe is to become Jewish once again, in some form, although it is not yet clear what form that will take – the only clear thing is that any European spiritual recovery will, as always, have a Jewish source, as God did not give them the ability to spiritually rehabilitate themselves on their own.

    Nevertheless, God does not neglect even the least of his children, and Europeans will be given the opportunity to rejoin the Family of God.

    After the stereotypical and by now expected European Dark Age, they will rejoin the House of Israel, along with our Muslim brothers.

    Already many Europeans are converting to Islam and Judaism, but I am curious as to what way the mass of Europe and will find their way back to Jewiahness and the Family of God.

    Time will tell, I suppose.

  3. In the bible you will find that Abraham’s mother was Syrian.

  4. anon19 says:

    Without its Jewish population and lobby, the whole of the middle east would be as important to America as Fiji is.

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    , @J
  5. Talha says:

    Another very interesting and entertaining read by this author. Some theories I had come across before (like those of the late Patricia Crone), bit some were quite new and unique.

    Peace.

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  6. Ghali says:

    For me, it is all mythology. I do not buy into what is called “Jewish History”. It is a fabricated lie.

  7. Antares says:

    Assuming the thunder of a vulcano being the voice of a Divine God is very similar to the believe that the future can be read from tea leaves.

    If it looks like a vulcano, sounds like a vulcano and smells like a vulcano, then it propably is a vulcano.

    The article, although I read it in its entirity, reminds me of the words: “All civilisations have left all religions behind, except the last one.”

  8. Re what Laurent Guyénot describes as

    the same bloodthirsty demon that spoke to Moses, Joshua and Elijah

    Ashraf Ezzat – whom Guyénot also mentions above – has spoken of how the three cruel Abrahamic religions, of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – are all products of the same cultural environment, all founded within a few hundred kilometres of each other –

    All of them the product of the same kind of society, from tribals who are extremist, belligerent, and of low culture, where life or death turns on who owns a watering hole

    Religions of torture and terror, with their focus on barbaric infant genital mutilation, i.e., circumcision, as a ‘core concept’ and continuing practice … the terrorising concept of ‘eternal hell’ … the ‘my way is the only way’ fanaticism … slavery & genocide, massacres of women & children & animals, all allegedly ‘ordered by God’

    Arguably, the biblical god was indeed actually a demon, selling his fake cruel ‘religion’ to savour the pain and terror it caused and continues to cause

    This ‘desert bloc’ of religious extremism, has been a horrid wrong turn for all of humanity … Abrahamic religions need to go into the dustbin, replaced by an Asian-type spirituality, with the mutliple pathways to the divine, the meditation and other routes to spiritual ecstasy, and the freedom to contemplate eternal life without fearing that some mis-step will lead to eternal torture hell

    And re historical matters, there is a good argument that the Jewish bible as a whole was a fabrication hoax by Greek-speaking Jews in Alexandria, given that the oldest text we have is the Greek Septuagint from the 3rd century BCE, the ‘Hebrew’ versions coming later

    The official story is that the Septuagint is a Greek ‘translation’ of now-lost ‘Hebrew’ texts, but that may well be a fraud … Jews writing themselves up a grand fable to portray themselves as defeating the greatest known civilisation of their region, that of Egypt … which seems to have no records of this Jewish story, amidst troves of ancient Egyptian texts

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  9. @AaronB

    If defining the aspects of a faith as:

    Religion – that which aims for change of one’s internal self;
    Ideology – that which aims for the change of an external other;
    Ritual – repetition of thoughts, speech, or actions, uncorrelated to directly observable (scientific) benefits. (say, throwing salt behind your back when you spill it. Or, stating ‘one is chosen by God’.)

    How much of each aspect would you assign for Jewish faith, as it stands today? (Yes, I am kettleing a little, tell me why I am wrong if you think so! 😉 )

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  10. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Just like the Karaites restarted the practice, at that time, they were patrilineal.

  11. Miggle says:

    Laurent Guyénot, thanks. It would take me a long time to digest your long essay. A couple of points, though:

    (1) If I understand correctly, Islam and its Koran (which I haven’t looked at for years) hold that Jesus of Nazareth is a prophet, requiring great respect; but according to the Talmud, Jesus, being non-Pharisaic, is condemned to forever boil in a vat of excrement in Hell.

    So it appears that Islam and Christianity are closer to each other than Islam and Judaism.

    (2) Your citation of Shamir’s Mamilla Pool is not a genuine reference, unless there is an update of the version in in Galilee Flowers that I don’t know of. The latter book, while deserving high praise in many directions, is a work of journalism rather than of a professional historian. Its essays are undated and without references. He tells us what he knows, but not how he knows it.

    There is a brief description of the 614 massacres in Steven Runciman’s The First Crusade. I knew it happened:

    The [Persian] invaders occupied Antioch in 611 and Damascus in 163. Only at Jerusalem, a centre of [Christian] Orthodoxy, did they meet with opposition; but, with the help of the Jews within the wall the holy city was stormed in April 614. There followed a terrible massacre of Christians, and […]

    He doesn’t assign blame, doesn’t explain why the Christians of Antioch and Damascus were not massacred by the Persians, doesn’t say the Jews perpetrated the terrible massacre. Shamir’s work tells us the rest, but as journalism rather than history: he doesn’t tell us how he knows this.

    • Replies: @Miggle
    , @Miggle
    , @Moi
  12. bollverk says:
    @AaronB

    Your comment is Jewish hubris at its worst.

    You have no idea of the pagan traditions that need not be kept written, but were kept orally. If you are interested in a comparison with a pagan cult, then please compare your cherished Tanakh with the spiritual wisdom found for example in the Bhagavad Gita.

    The metaphysical and spiritual conceptions of Judaic monotheism reads like Hindu non-dualism, but explained for morons.

    The European decline is a symptom of its Jewishness, not lack thereof.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  13. Miggle says:
    @Miggle

    Oops! Sorry! Your article itself contains the Mamilla Pool link. I forgot.

  14. onebornfree says: • Website

    Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration – courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth. H. L. Mencken

    I believe that religion, generally speaking, has been a curse to mankind. H. L. Mencken

    It is often argued that religion is valuable because it makes men good, but even if this were true it would not be a proof that religion is true. That would be an extension of pragmatism beyond endurance. Santa Claus makes children good in precisely the same way, and yet no one would argue seriously that the fact proves his existence. The defense of religion is full of such logical imbecilities. ― H.L. Mencken

    God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find not only sanctuary in his arms, but also kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated egos: He will set them above their betters. ― H.L. Mencken

    “One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected. …[This] convention protects them, and so they proceed with their blather unwhipped and almost unmolested, to the great damage of common sense and common decency. That they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly. Nor is there any visible intellectual dignity in theologians. Few of them know anything that is worth knowing, and not many of them are even honest.” ― H.L. Mencken,

    “For men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt. The more stupid the man, the larger his stock of adamantine assurances, the heavier his load of faith.” ― H.L. Mencken

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @another fred
  15. Mulegino1 says:
    @AaronB

    Judaism is a false, rejectionist cult which postdates Christianity by centuries. If you mean that Europe should return to the religion of the Old and superseded covenant, you are dead wrong. As wrong as if you insisted that the butterfly on the wing return to the chrysalis. Christianity is the total fulfillment of the Old Testament religion of the patriarchs and prophets and its acceptance and growth has resulted in the greatest flourishing of art, architecture, literature, music and organic development in recorded history, while all Judaism and Jews have done is either piggy backed on the accomplishments of Christian civilization or served as subversive agents contributing to its corruption.

    It is now apparent that Islam was founded by Messianic Jews who rejected the Divinity of Christ while accepting His role as true messiah of Israel. Talmudism is the enemy of both Christianity and Islam.

    • Agree: ploni almoni
    • Replies: @anon
    , @ploni almoni
  16. dimples says:

    Mr Guyenot’s typically French elaborate 911 conspiracy theories I leave to others to bother with.

    He claims that the prayer direction of the early mosques point to the Holy City (not Mecca) which I presume from the context he means Jerusalem. There is a fascinating documentary on Youtube on this subject. Search for:

    ‘The Sacred City (Religious Documentary) Timeline’

    In fact the early mosques point to……well you’ll have to watch the doco to find out but it is not Jerusalem.

    • Replies: @Assad al-Islam
  17. Miggle says:
    @Miggle

    Sorry again. I’m wrong in every way. Israel Shamir does refer to his sources in the Galilee Flowers version. My apologies to him.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  18. Robjil says:
    @AaronB

    Jewish culture has been extremely violent for the past hundred years. The top Jews I talking about. Little Jews don’t allow any bad talk about the top Jews. This is destroying Jewish culture and the world at the same time.

    Seven nations to destroy comes Deuteronomy 7. 1-2. Six nations were already destroyed. Iran is the last and not yet destroyed. So, it is in the Zion destruction “news” all the time.

    1991 war on Iraq ends on Purim. 175000 fleeing Iraqis troops firebombed from the air. Purim was a celebration of the killing of 75000 Persians. Was the 75000 number in the 17500 related to this Purim destruction game?

    2003 war on Iraq starts on Purim.

    2011 war on Libya starts on Purim.

    2019 Trump “gives” Golan Heights to Israel on Purim.

    Israelis regularly bomb Syria, often, killing civilians. Israelis regularly shoot and kill civilians in Gaza like it is nothing.

    Israel invades Lebanon in 2006. Destroying the infrastructure and killing many civilians. Mel Gibson gets angry about that. He is “anti- Semitic” for being angry at what Israel did.

    Larry Silverstein buys the WTC a few weeks before the nine eleven false flag. He gets billions for his 100 million dollar investment. No one can say anything about this because it would be anti- S to say so.

    Aldous Huxley says that humans are a wild species. We need an alien culture to tame us. Jewish culture has been acting like a wild species for too long. It needs to be tamed by freedom of speech.

    The total protection of Jewish culture by our Zion media is destroying Jewish culture and the world. At least in Russia, there is an attempt to tame Jewish culture.

    In the US, we get Vicky Nuland, Bill Krystol, Robert Kagan, Paul Wolfowitz, Larry Silverstein, Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle, etc. These characters need to be tamed by freedom of speech. There is not one attempt to tame the top Jews in the US. It destroying the US and this planet since the US is the top gun on this planet.

  19. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    In the bible you will find that Abraham’s mother was Syrian.

    Excellent find, can you please quote the relevant chapter?

    According to Judaism, Sarah was the real sister of Abraham. Go figure!

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  20. This joint venture, comments the Israeli reporter, is “a blow to the decades-long Arab League boycott of the Jewish state.”

    Israel wants to eat it cake and at the same time look at it. Don’t underestimate the Arabs. The late King Abdullah of KSA, offered full peace and diplomatic relations with all Muslims countries, provided if Israel move back to 1967 borders. Neither is Israel going to move back to 1967 borders nor the Arabs are willing to recognize Israel. Jared is a baby, and he is being easily molded by MBS.

  21. Robjil says:

    At the 9:38 point, Aldous Huxley talks about humans as being a wild species that needs to be tamed. He mentions that Darwin first thought of this concept. Jewish culture needs be tamed by freedom of speech. Total protection for any culture creates this extreme violent wildness we now seeing in top Jewish culture for past hundred years. This total protection of Jewish culture, especially the top Jewish advisors, who have the power to do all things with impunity on this planet, is destroying our planet faster than Climate Change.

  22. Anonymous[526] • Disclaimer says:

    “Progressivism” is probably the best religion for whites. It is the one that best accommodate their vanity, their status-mongering, their constant need to feel superior to those in the lower classes, their need to feel virtuous without any actual effort, their preference for appearances over reality, for fake politeness over actual warmth, friendship and a sense community, their shallowness, their lack of feeling of brotherhood with other whites, their lack of actual freedom of thought (not speech, thought), their apparent need to blindly follow the latest fashion or ideology (usually created by Jews), their total incapacity to deal with psychopaths and snake-oil salesmen, their sheep-like acceptance of anything that is popular or considered right by the powers that be from “multiculturalism” to “gay marriage”, their complete lack of understanding, particularly by women, that genes for blond hair or higher creativity are special and rare and are not transmitted to future generations if they copulate with Blacks or Arabs, their total ignorance of how other tribes or races think, their constant assumption that everyone is just like them and all they need is “education” or “assimilation”, their paternalism, their feminism, all their isms.
    Christianity tried to fix whites for two thousand years, but it failed. Nietzschean-Darwinian neo-paganism also failed, in an even shorter time (~100 years). Progressivism is the best religion for Whites, it’s the religion that makes them happier. It will probably turn them into a very small minority, but who cares. It’s what they want. “Fewer but better whites.”

    An Ex-White.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  23. I’ve spent all day mulling over this article. Literally. It’s been open on my laptop for 9 hours as I’ve come and gone through the day and been on my mind in between.

    I’m a convert (I am disinclined to refer to myself as “revert” given I’m a white anglo celtic who became Muslim in 2011). I also began as a Sunni via the Hanafi school, by default since my earliest experiences which led to my conversion involved my wife and her family who are Pakistani Sunnis, of the Hanafi madhab.

    That said I did not know anything relatively speaking about the sectarian divisions within Islam despite having taken roughly ten years of slowly approaching the mountain. As I experienced more of Islam I soon had questions about some distinct disagreements which become obvious to any new Muslim unless heor she is in exclusively sectarian company. This led to research and I soon found that the Shia viewpoint on any disagreements was the simplest, most logical and ‘instinctively’ right viewpoint. It was a further vindication when I then realised the specific examples of Islam which led to my initial respect, then eventual admiration and desire to join were Shia always. Hezbollah and Iran were examples of total commitment and complete devotion to a code other than the one which by default is human. I am still mostly of the Hanafi school of thought but have great empathy with Sufism and as am said Shia by identification. My wife who remains Sunni is yet greatly empathic of Shias also and it is fascinating to watch her born and bred Sunni culture having to deal with issues such as the “Incident of the Pen” or “Tragic Thursday” which I admit as with many others was the singular piece of history which decided me from Sunni to Shia. No matter what you want to believe, that thing happened and NOTHING about it is right or explainable by any amount of prevarication and guesswork by anyone since.

    Indeed not only the facts as established, which are damning but also the way in which the respective sides to this issue conducted themselves in the many decades of debate which led up to the final established fact that it DID HAPPEN! No matter how many other obvious signs warn of what was to come, what was happening and what happened, this one event is paramount. The disingenuous and frankly dishonest and eventually un-Islamic and extremist/violent expressions of the Sunni side as their own argument collapsed in the face of their own preferred hadiths was informative. The much more brief, simple and completely Quranic respinses of the Shia side (repfresented by the current Ayatollah) were refreshingly familiar and the same message of islam which attracted me in the first place. The increasingly obtuse and verbose reactions of numerous Sunni scholasr to the simple few paragraphs long response of the Ayatollah were the best lesson I needed in the difference between the “democratic” and therefore manipulable Sunni outlook and the simple, verifiable and quite specific Shia one which whilst leaving room for democracy, doesn’t allow DEMOCRACY to interpret the scriptures. It is fascinating to see how Sunnis actually changed Quranic teachings early on, anf then eventually created new teachings which in essense replaced the ones they’d cast aside centuries earlier only to adopt a new and much less proper;ly defined version wehn they felt it appropriate. For example Shias practice “temporary marriage” to this day which is in the Quran but they do so to allow engaged couples to date without chaperones, rather than to permit promni seem to be more scuity which is abhorrent to any Muslim. Sunnis removed this teaching under Umar, only to later CREATE a thing called “Travellers marriage” which has no other purpose obviously than to permit promiscuity. Allah is most wise. His teachings can override our ages and supposed stages of “Enlightenment”.

    So anyway. I began as a Christian. A priesthood holder actually. I spent 4 years in seminary and after rising through the Aaronic and Melchezidek priesthoods and a bit of life including 2 marriages and 3 kids raised to adults, I moved on and after ten years of Buddhism I found Islam. Nobody was more surprised than me to find me back within an Abrahamic religious perspective. Oddly enough (or so it might seem to the uninformed) it restored albeit with reservations, my former faith in the Biblical narrative. Indeed the islamic perspective easily over rode any former doubts regarding science or reason or experience. Islam is less specific about certain factors which in the absence of cultural interpretations are left to be fitted into the current understanding of the day. For example it is not surprising that a majority of Muslims believe in extraterrestrial life, even more highly evolved and intelligent than us. The very idea if anathema to Judaism and Christianity yet Muslims embrace as logical and obvious the concept that we are not the most intelligent or evolved of species in Allah’s creation. For the record this one fact is enough for me to choose Islam over the other two. Neither of them even permit of certain experiences which I have had and which have a profound effect on my outlook about reality, let alone life.

    Back to the sectarian thing. Wahhabis and the House of Saud are exactly as this article details. To the best of my research they are former Jews. Yes Turkish Donmeh Jews are mentioned. The actual link between the British SS and Saudi Arabia is the gay cross dressing colonel “Lawrence of Arabia” whose pareticular sexual fetishes matched his Saudi accolytes’ predilections and by bringing the condemned (by all 5 Islamic Madhab’s) Wahhabis together with the Saudi pervert sand pirates and giving them the money (10,000 pounds a year I believe was the stipend) and weapons (40,000 Lee Enfield rifles) to talke and hold the land known today as Saudi Arabia he did the devils work. The Rothschilds for whom Lawrence was of course a front man, a bumboy for the Jews was he, already knew of the oil beneath this land and the value it would soon have.

    • Replies: @Hossein
    , @Curmudgeon
  24. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Wow! An almost perfect inversion of truth. We’re witnessing the levels of jewing that shouldn’t even be possible. Congratulations.

    • Agree: freedom-cat
    • Disagree: Rabbitnexus
    • Replies: @Assad al-Islam
  25. Made and maintained by the same Anglo-Zionist forces, both States are destined to disappear together, Sheikh Imran Hosein believes.

    Sheikh Imran Hosein is cuckoo. Sheikh Imran Hosein has same amount of credibility as John Hagee. Both have prophesied about the End of World several times and failed. Sheikh Imran Hosein predicted the End of World last year, but we are still here.

    Some scholars see Islam as rooted in Judeo-Christian heresies, rather than in Judaism stricto sensu. The arguments include a hadith about Waraka ibn Nawfal, a relative of Muhammad’s first wife Khadija, presented as a priest of the “Nazarenes” and the first believer in Muhammad’s calling (Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith, 1.3). When Muhammad told him about the angel’s visit, Waraka told him this was the same angel that God had sent to Moses.

    According to the same Sheikh Imran Hosein, the Sahih al-Bukhari should be in trash can. Sahih al-Bukhari is full of lies and falsehood. According to Muslims, Only God has the Hidden Knowledge (ilum al-ghayb) and no one else. Do the Muslims really believe that Waraka has Hidden Knowledge?

    If they do, then they call Quran into question. This hadith is nothing but to demean Mohammad’s beloved wife Khadija of 27 years and only wife that she is Jewish descended. In this case all Mohammad’s children are Jews, especially his daughter Fatima. Mohammad was 52 years old when Khadija died, and in his last 10 years he married and kept minimally 14 wives at the same time and not the usual 4.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
    , @ploni almoni
  26. In the Islamic context, al-Ghaib refers to transcendental or divine secrets. It is mentioned in sixty different places in the Qu’ran, in six different forms. It has three primary meanings:

    Absent – “That is so al-‘Azeez will know that I did not betray him in [his] absence and that Allah does not guide the plan of betrayers.” (12:52)

    The Unknown or Hidden – “[Allah is] Knower of the unseen and the witnessed, the Grand, the Exalted.”(13:9)

    The Future – “Say, “I hold not for myself [the power of] benefit or harm, except what Allah has willed. And if I knew the unseen, I could have acquired much wealth, and no harm would have touched me. I am not except a warner and a bringer of good tidings to a people who believe.” ”(7:188)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ghaib

  27. All these people wasting their time pursuing nonsense. Makes about as much sense as hunting for the Tooth Fairy’s magic castle, or the Easter Bunny’s chocolate-lined burrow.

    The vast bulk of humans are cognitively infantile, and there is always a small clique of half-smart grifters (from the bottom of the second decile) who are sufficiently lacking in scruples that they will live parasitically on the dummies by arrogating to themselves the role of favoured intermediary (or even more betterer, claiming the the magic sky maniac saw to it that their family has to be in charge).

    There really does appear to be no bottom bound on human gullibility. I wonder how that confers an evolutionary advantage?

  28. Hibernian says:
    @anon19

    Sure, just leave the oil in the ground.

  29. @dimples

    He claims that the prayer direction of the early mosques point to the Holy City (not Mecca) which I presume from the context he means Jerusalem.

    Later at the end of Mohammad’s life, when all the idols were destroyed in Kabba, then the Muslims were commanded to pray towards Kabba. Some Muslims objected and then the following verse was descended.

    Sahih International : Chapter 2, verse 177

    Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.

    https://quran.com/2/177

    The above verse is one of the last verse of the Quran.

    • Replies: @dimples
    , @Moi
  30. AmRusDebate says: • Website

    Breathtaking.

    Kuddos for the head’s up on the NEOM project…but as for the rest…

    Breathtaking bullshit.

    Disinformation. Lies. Are you fooling your readers deliberately, or vous croyez vos délire?? How much are you being paid by MbS (Master of BS?)

    Benjamin = Ben Yemen.

    In. your. dreams! You’re creating a false cognate. Mangling ancient Hebrew with a modern Southern Arabic toponym. I understand why you are making this claim, and many a googler will make it, but a scholar would know why it is amateurish and a falsehood.

    According to Genesis 25:2-4, the Midianites are descendants of Abraham by his second wife Keturah. They are therefore heirs of the Abrahamic covenant, just like the Ishmaelites, descendants of Abraham by his servant Agar.

    In Rotwelsch (which you claim to decode like a Type B Cipher Machine):

    וְאֶת־בְּרִיתִ֖י אָקִ֣ים אֶת־יִצְחָ֑ק אֲשֶׁר֩ תֵּלֵ֨ד לְךָ֤ שָׂרָה֙ לַמּוֹעֵ֣ד הַזֶּ֔ה בַּשָּׁנָ֖ה הָאַחֶֽרֶת

    I need not translate, indicate source, explain, etc, you’re a linguist, historian, archeologist, a Yemenite to boot. The world is flat you know it all.

    To anyone aware that bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, it should be obvious that the 28 “censored” pages of the 9/11 Commission report are a sham like the rest of it, an integral part of the false flag to blackmail Saudi Arabia into a new Israel-friendly policy.

    How many people are there, aware Bin Laden had “nothing” to do with 9/11?
    From which you magically conclude that the 28 pages are fake? Graham was a Washington Post psy-op.

    Back to logic 101. Syllogism, obviously nothing you studied. Pace Obama Bin Ladin, Saudi link to 9/11 far more real, far better documented, than garbage speculation about Israelis, and don’t you or anyone else paid by the hairy cammel-shagers try to deny it.

    There are actually rumors that both Muhammad ibn Saud (1710-1765), founder of the Saud dynasty, and his partner Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab (1703-1792), founder of Wahhabism, were Jews of ancient stock.

    Yes, and it’s appalling how you can turn a known forgery, used by Saddam Hussein to attack Saudi legitimacy into pro Saudi sycophancy. Memoirs of Mr. Hempher are the Muslim equivalent of the Protocols of Elders of Zion, where the term yehudi is an epithet used systematically and deliberately to discredit this or that monarch,imam, or mufti in the Arabs perpetual struggle for top dog in the Islamic world. It’s the equvalent of saying someone’s mother is a whore, therefore everything they say is illegitimate, because they are bastards?

    Again, how much are you paid by MbS to carry his water? Do you just fall for it because you are an Arabophile or a Sorelite?

    Although the crypto-Jewish origins of Wahhabism and/or the Saud dynasty seem impossible to authenticate, they are not implausible.

    Not only are they implausible, they are irrelevant, a distraction, and inane. Whatever coincidence of interestes may or may not

    The signs of a “Greater Israel” hidden agenda are everywhere, including in such headlines as Haaretz’s “Before Islam: When Saudi Arabia Was a Jewish Kingdom,” a perfect example of Israelis’ propensity to use insignificant or fraudulent archeological findings to support their imperial hubris

    .

    Why so cavil? If archeology of Aramaic inscriptions were “fraudulent” or “false,” then why are you talking about the Himyarite Kingdom to begin with? How dare you mention so much as a word about the role of Jews in such a kingdom? You have five paragraphs dedicaed to the topic, and suddenly, the fount of all such knowledge, you discredit as “fradulent” and “false”. Maybe it’s linekd to your insipid partiality to quacks, such as Sheikh Imran Hosein, who according to the FBI, is an active supporter of Al Qaeda?

    Maybe that’s what you should do. Since you are already shilling for Master of BS , just copy and paste “Inspire” articles wholesale instead of peddling loony Ishmaelite ideas as the work of a decent Frenchman.

    I was about to comment on your facile interpretation of the Tetragrammaton, but I’m not a paid Unz contributor and don’t have the time or interest. I’ll let readers do their own homework when it comes to the academically dated Midiniate angle.

    I’m shocked by how well your article serves the interests of those you claim to criticize. The camelidophiles and a handful of the more ignorant Likkudniks will read your bloviation and agree with with 90% of it. They’ll plagiarize it and spread it as proof…

    • Troll: Digital Samizdat
  31. Now here we have the real truth. Jews stole and still keep steeling everything. That is the base of Jewish culture, They even stole God from Medianities. (Poor God!! You must have sympathy for him.)
    Now here is only foot note.
    When Jews left Egypt (or they were kicked out) they were wandering 40 years in the wilderness.
    Please note wilderness (wilderness is not a desert)
    I was always wandering about God sending them manna from heaven, Manna was sweet.
    I finally did figure it out. It was not a lie. It was coconuts falling from coconut trees.

  32. @Larchmonter420

    I do have several bibles. I do not remember in which bible it was. Every bible is different. But I do thing that was in Jehovah witnesses bible. There you can find it if you read the fairy tale of Abraham.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  33. Benjamin means Ben Yamin, or “son of Yemen.” Does that mean they came from Yemen, the south-western part of Arabia? It is not certain, since Yemen actually means “South”. But it is a strong possibility.

    Duh, Yemen and Yamin are two different words. Yamin means Right, basically the right hand. Good and Halal property is considered, Property of the Right Hand. Bad and Haram property is considered, Property of the Left Hand. Quranic references.

    So, duh Ben Yamin means, “Son of Righteous”. Or, Son of Halal and not a Bastard child.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
    , @Moi
  34. @Assad al-Islam

    It is late, I’m half watching a movie as well as taking care of dinner, so my response may not reflect my usual intensive consideration and attention to the nuances and subtleties of human communication.

    Sheikh Imran Hossein didn’t predict the end of the world in any specific year. You are a grovelling lying piece of shit. to put it politely. Give me a direct quote, and I will be glad to apologise. Given the remaining poaragraph you’d surely DESIRE this. Come then dooba head. His lectures are inspirational and despite the evident hysteria they cause among your foul type, indeed partly because of it, his outlook is gaining in popularity. I say this as a Shia and remind you, assuming you actually know as much, that he is NOT sympathetic towards our outlook. That bespeaks the tolerance and open mindedness which is Islam and in particular Shia Islam. Further destroying any argument somebody who was NOT actually just a floating turd in the toilet bowl on the day might have. Bukhari was a senile confused old man when he spewed forth or was mis interpreted as having said half of what he did. Furthermore much of what he said was directly contradictory to Quran. As a Shia I reject everything such a false witness says.

    Not that a HASBARAT would have clue of this, but I shall end this by pointing out that ONLY Allah has authority. It is clearly written in the Noble Quran that ONLY teachings it contains which cannot be debated are Islam and that any which are open to debate are NOT essential Islamic teachings. THIS verse in the first 3 books of the Quran ENDS the entire sectarian debate even before it bagan!!! ONLY the enemies of Islam would ignore this! Would you defy Quran? If it is NON DEBATABLE as such will you deny it? The first NON debatable COMMAND in Quran is THIS! You are a fool if you would deny it.
    Hadiths have NO authority in relation to Quran. Sorry to disabuse you of your delusions My Jewboy Hasbarat. If you think you’re a Muslim, then no doubt you’re a Salafi type in which case you are no Muslim. I declare you as Kharajite and NOT of us.

    • Replies: @Hossein
    , @Simple Pseudonym
  35. @AmRusDebate

    Lots of denials of information, but no further explanation for what the truth is from your frame of reference. Dismissively nihilistic much?

    • Replies: @AmRusDebate
  36. @Anonymous

    Wow! An almost perfect inversion of truth. We’re witnessing the levels of jewing that shouldn’t even be possible. Congratulations.

    WOW, dig the sarcasm!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. Hossein says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    Shiism, like Zionism, is a cult . I am not a fan of any religion but Shiism is a life line for Persianism for without it the Persian regime and the country of Iran as it is known would cease to exist.

    Shiism is a tool for the Imperialist wannabe persians who dream of conquring the entire middle east subjugating the Arabs and establishing the IRAN BOZORG, greater IRAN , on ruins of Arab land. Even the communist party of Tudeh, and other off shoots of the left support Shiism for ethnocentric and chauvinistic reasons and as a tool to control and subjugate the ethnic minorities.

    The Persians stick to Shiism, strengthen it not for the love of Islam but to save their own asses.
    Iran’s Achilles heel is the ethnic minorities who despise the Persians and make up more than 40% of the country and if it were not for Shiism they adhere to, Iran would blow up to pieces,like the Balkans.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
    , @Jake
    , @S
    , @Moi
  38. Poco says:
    @AaronB

    Ridiculous garbage.

  39. @AmRusDebate

    A lot of denials but not much meat behind it brother,

  40. The Persians stick to Shiism, strengthen it not for the love of Islam but to save their own asses.

    Majority of the Arabs are Shia and not Persian. Yes, places like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Malaysia are mostly Sunni and are non-Arabs. The Arabs know the language of Quran and umpteen numbers of books written on Islam in Arabic.

    Iraq, Lebanon, Bahrain, Kuwait, a good number in KSA are Arab and Shia. The whole of Egypt was Shia and by sword they were converted to Sunni. The Al-Azhar University is named after Fatima the daughter of Mohammad.

    Know your history, before you spout Judaism!

    • Replies: @Assad al-Islam
  41. @Hossein

    Sorry old boy but Shias follow all the basic principles of Islam. As such they conform to Islam and you by denying they do so, do not. There is nothing further to be said. You are unworthy of debate. You are a Kharajite or Kafir at best. Typical Salafi outlook. Horrible, ignorant, backwards and intolerant filth which have defamed Islam since 1000 plus years.

    Your imaginined beliefs of Shias remain your own. I have no interest in giving credibility to your hateful projections, since I believe they speak for themselves. Your own desires of our beliefs. but total rubbish in fact. From your heart, to your mouth to your own ears. I am not Persian. I am a Celt, with crusaders in my lineage. The poor bastard Sunni version of Islam, deformed and perverted as it is would NEVER have inspired me to convert you sad freak. Greedy, ambitious scumbags are NOTHING new and Sunni Islam is based on greedy, amobitious scumbags! A PERFECT match for JEWS and the modern West.

    SURPRISE, SURPRISE, the very same as get along with each other today! So Sunni boy, do you think your Western Zionist allies (WALLI) are what God was all about? Or is it just possible that the allies you have, and therefore according to nothng less than the Noble Quran — YOU, YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW — ar actually the predicted AGREEMENT WITH SATAN?

    Have we forgotten the most basic of the prophecies of all the religions? That literally MOST would be deceived? Well you brain dead clown…as a member of the large minority and with the aforesaid included, I laugh in your confused face. WAKE UP YOU CRETIN!

    • Replies: @Hossein
    , @Hossein
  42. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Jehovah’s Witnesses are a ridiculous CULT. There aremore than a dozen versions of the Bible I would eecognise as more or less worthy of study but there’s does NOT even count.

    I’m a priesthood holder despite being a Muslim today. In case that seems strange, understand that no man can remove the priesthood even if as I am one is excommunicated from the Church. Both the Aaronic and Melchizedik priesthoods predate “Jews” (a modern invented name and identity), Christians and obviously Muslims.

    • Replies: @Antares
  43. @Ghali

    Isn’t it true of all religions? They are all just fabricated stories.

    What is interesting is that house of Saud was founded by a Jew. Doesn’t that connect the Saudis in the 911 to Jews? :P. Just an observation based on this article.

  44. Jake says:

    Of course Mohammedanism owes its existence to Judaism. Specifically, Mohammedanism owes most of its existence to Jewish Gnosticism and to ethnically Jewish Christian heretics who were Gnostic at least in the main.

    Mohammad took the ideas of those people and mixed them with common northern Arabic pagan ideas, and over time he created Islam, which he rightly assumed would be the linking device that would bring unity to Arabs, allowing their natural state of being desert pirates to flourish on a grand scale.

    Mohammed the Arabic desert pirate, a thief and murderer and rapist, created a religion for Arabs that fit perfectly with the national character.

  45. dimples says:
    @Assad al-Islam

    Yes I agree, God is only interested in peace and goodness. The rest is just verbiage.

  46. Jake says:
    @Hossein

    ‘Shiism is a life line for Persianism for without it the Persian regime and the country of Iran as it is known would cease to exist.’

    Islam in any form would have ruined Persia, over time turning a rather grand high culture into something aping Semitic bedouin low culture.

    When Iranians remake themselves into Parsis, rather than being the Farsis that Mohammedanism of any type requires them to be, then they will become overlords of the Middle East, because they will produce grand high culture.

    Jews know that, as do Saudis. That is one of the greatest fears of each.

  47. Antares says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    “Jehovah’s Witnesses are a ridiculous CULT. There aremore than a dozen versions of the Bible I would eecognise as more or less worthy of study but there’s does NOT even count.”

    Although I am not interested in bibles myself, it is noteworthy that the Jehovah’s Witnesses have calculated that the descending of Satan on earth would happen in 1914. They have no clue what that means however.

  48. Svevlad says:

    Judaism doesn’t exist. It changed it’s name a long time ago.

    What calls itself Judaism now is blatant Satanism.

    Anyways, the Bible can be an excellent archaeoethnologic book, if you have a good translation.

  49. @Assad al-Islam

    Yemen is mostly Shia!

    • Replies: @Hossein
  50. AaronB says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Well, there’s the Jewish religion, and there’s the way Judaism as practiced by individuals.

    The religion itself is very mystical with a deep focus on spiritual and moral self perfection and beyond – elevating the entire world spiritually, repairing Adam’s original sin.

    It is not merely centered on individual salvation or salvation of the Jewish nation, except instrumentally. It is centred on salvation of a fundamentally broken creation in its entirety and uniting it with God, a vision of breathtaking metaphysical sweep.

    I do not know enough about Christianity or Islam to say with confidence if these religions are centred primarily on individual salvation – can anyone contribute? – but the other tradition I know of which rejects a concern with merely personal salvation and aims at saving the world is Mahayana Buddhism, where a concern with merely personal salvation is considered small minded, as it is in Judaism.

    The rituals play many roles, including social, and are of deep mystical significance – and indeed, we see that as Christianity lost the mystery of its rituals it lost its mystic soul and went dead.

    As for individual Jews practicing, you are correct that many have degenerated into a sterile formalism without soul, where doing the rituals is all that matters, and into a narrow ethnic chauvinism that is a deep misinterpretation of the concept if the chosen people.

    Bit such, such is human nature.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Ilya G Poimandres
  51. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    And there is also the Hasidic movement, which is basically an order of Jewish Sufis, and very large today – but I do not know how corrupt or faithful they are to the original mystic vision of their order, and to what extent they have or have not degenerated.

  52. AaronB says:
    @bollverk

    The Bhagavad Gita is indeed an impressive spiritual document, and Hindu non dualism in general is as well.

    However, they suffer from certain limitations with regard to mans role in the world and his relationship to the Absolute.

    Mankind has no other purpose than to pierce the veil of illusion, rather than being instrumental and central in the spiritual elevation of creation – a much more dignified and important role.

    Further, man does not spiritually develop – he merely must see through illusion.

    The world degrades and deteriorates, and mans task is no other than to pierce the veil of illusion individually until Brahman renews the world again at the end of the cosmic cycle.

    It is obviously an impressive vision with much truth, but suffers from internal contradictions, fails to appreciate the centrality of man’s role, lays too much stress on passivity, and depicts mans relationship to God as static and without a dynamic element.

    Still, obviously a high level of spirituality there.

    In Jewish tradition, the wisdom of the East derives from the sake source and wellspring as Judaism.

    • Replies: @Iranian
  53. J says: • Website
    @anon19

    No. The largest deposits of easily extractable oil are here. Oil is the main commodity, its price rules the prosperity or depression of world’s economy. Not for nothing America invests so much military resources to secure the Persian gulf.

  54. @Assad al-Islam

    Duh, Yemen and Yamin are two different words.

    Wrong. Same word, meaning “right”, and therefore “south”, since in Antiquity, south is right when you look at sunrise.

    duh Ben Yamin means, “Son of Righteous”

    So you say. Do you know any other Arab name beginning with Ben ou Bin followed by an abstract concept? I’m willing to be contradicted, especially on that point, which I suggested as a simple hypothesis, but you did not convince me.

  55. @Miggle

    Great video. Must see! I was aware that the Koran doesn’t mention Mecca, and that there are inconsistencies with the actual Mecca (archeology). I didn’t get into that because I am trying to be synthetic and cannot engage in every issue. However, I now realize that this issue is actually a great piece in the puzzle, since it makes islam’s cradle much closer to Judaism’s cradle, in North-West Arabia (Midian). I have heard also the thesis that Medina might be the capital of Midian.
    Thanks for that contribution.

    • Replies: @Assad al-Islam
    , @Talha
    , @Moi
  56. @Laurent Guyénot

    So you say. Do you know any other Arab name beginning with Ben ou Bin followed by an abstract concept? I’m willing to be contradicted, especially on that point, which I suggested as a simple hypothesis, but you did not convince me.

    Bin (son), you are clutching straws!

  57. @Laurent Guyénot

    Great video. Must see! I was aware that the Koran doesn’t mention Mecca, and that there are inconsistencies with the actual Mecca (archeology).

    LOL! Quran does not mention Mecca. Yes, Mohammad was born in Becca Valley in Syria and you are allowed to partake milk from sheep roaming over the stone and pebbles. You must be a disciple of Rashad Khalifa! (sarcasm intended).

    Read Quran and read then Safa and Marwa!

    And, Medina was not called, Yatrib! (another sarcasm)

    Like I said, son you are clutching straws.

  58. Hossein says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    Shiat tolerance? How nonosensical and hypocritycal of you to make such declaration. In the Shia ruled Persian dump the Sunnis barely allowed to practice their faith and many of their followers and leaders are either in dreadful prisons, exiled or simply murdered.

  59. Hossein says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    I never said you were a Persian nor did i say that i was a Sunni. My comment reflected my understanding and goals of Persian neo imperialism in the middle east targeting neighboring countries . I deplore and abhore the Salfists and Wahabi and other rubbish tainted ideologies and that includes the cultish Shiism as well.

    If you really want to know what the Shiat little emperors and their desciples have done then you should take a trip to your dreamland of Shiism and see the racism, the cultural and economical assault on the helpless ethnic monrities and their dreadful treatment by the racist Persian regime that you are so proud of.

    The disgusting mullas are sectarians and have spread sectarianism ,for the sake of their own interests, to neghboring countries wreaking havoc on once tolerant and inclusive communities. The case of savagery and barbarity of Persian backed Shia militias and their horriffic treatment of people in Falluja speaks volums of barbarity and savagery of this dreadful cult whose aim is to delare a Persian Mulla to be the Vali Faghih of middle east thus turning those countries into subjugated enclaves .

    BTW your grand Mulla, Khomeini, was brought to power by the very same imperialist and Zionists that you bark about.

    I have nothing against anyone being of whatever religion but truth about the cultish Persian shiism and it’s expansionist ,sectarian and imperialist ambitions need to be told.

    Wa Alsalam aleykum

    Peace

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  60. Harbinger says:
    @AaronB

    Well, Aaron B, no guessing what his religion is eh?

    “He who controls the past, controls the future; and he who controls the present, controls the past.” – George Orwell ‘1984’.
    And this is what Judaism is all about – promoting their deceitful ways through changing the past to control the present and the future.
    Jew is another name for Judean. At the time in Judea the peoples who lived there were as diverse as New York and London, all worshipping many different deities. The Jews never worshipped the bible, or the God of the Israelites, far from it. They were too busy with their pagan belief systems, Cabalas and Traditions of the Elders. Moloch, Samael, Remphan, just some of the many Gods the Jews worshipped. The Israelites were pre Christians, not Jews.
    All bibles from KJV onwards have deliberately altered history to fit in with their brainwashing and indoctrination agenda of what was and thus is. There was no Star of David. It’s a laughable joke. The Star is that of Remphan.
    It is the much older bibles that tell the truth of history and most certainly the Jews are doing their utmost best in retrieving them and if not destroying them, at least locking them away from the eyes of the public, hence the incredibly high costs in their bookstores, should people wish to purchase them.

    It’s completely laughable to talk about Jews in Europe and Europe being Judean. The first poisoning of Europe happened with William the Conqueror bringing Jews to the UK for the first time in 1066, to be his money men. Two centuries later they were evicted, the people having had enough of their despicable ways.

    If you’re a degenerate, a depraved individual who has no morals, no ethics, a racist and hateful supremacist then you’re a Jew. If you’re not, you’re of the other religions that exist – Christianity, Hinduism, Islam etc.

    Your number’s up Mr Judaism. People are now, thankfully seeing what you and your religion is all about. Another mass exile and genocide of Jews is on its way, yet again, but I have a feeling this time around, they won’t make the same mistakes they have done in the past. Those of you who are left to survive will be locked away on an island, heavily guarded so you can’t communicate with the rest of the world and left to parasite off of one another. It will be mandatory that all peoples of this worlds, none more so in the west, will be taught about the Jews, who they were and how they tried to enslave humanity under a totalitarian world government. With no Jewish control over the msm and government, articles will appear daily, telling the world of just what you evil people are all about, so much so that I should imagine the hatred will grow, so extreme, that the island you are all imprisoned on will be invaded and every, last one of you will be butchered to the last man, woman and child, wiping you and your devil seed off of the face of this earth once and for all. Judaism will cease to exist. Judaism, Jew, the Cabala and Talmud will simply become a description in a dictionary. The word Jew will become a curse word.

    You really haven’t the foggiest just how universally loathed Jews and Judaism truly are.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Joe Levantine
  61. Talha says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I agree with your assessment here of the meaning of Yemen, this is pretty well known – it also contrasts with Greater Syria known as Bilaad ush-Shaam which also has indications of the left in the etymology (being associated with the word for omen, bad luck – i.e. left) and is the opposite of Yemen when a person in the Hijaaz faces the rising sun.

    However…you have some problems of epistemology in your thesis.

    For instance, you mention the late Patricia Crone’s theory. You do know that as time has progressed and more evidence has been discovered that nobody really gives it the time of day, right? You can read a good refutation here (by Prof. Bo Holmberg):
    https://journal.fi/store/article/view/41583/10676

    Also, her protege, Prof. Robert Hoyland (cited in the above paper), also eventually rejected the thesis and mentions in the intro to his work (a translation of the earliest non-Muslim source texts referencing Islam):
    “…non-Muslim sources cannot provide a complete and coherent account of Early Islam, even less can it support an alternative version of its development…”
    https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Islam-Others-Saw-Zoroastrian/dp/0878501258

    Furthermore, you cite a single hadith in Bukhari to make your point about Lady Khadijah (ra) being a Jewess. The problem is:
    1) There is absolutely no indication that she or her family were Jews, nor that there were any Jews in Makkah at all.
    2) The text of the hadith itself refutes your claims.

    You can read the text of the full hadith here:
    https://sunnah.com/bukhari/1/3

    It mentions two important things:
    1) Waraqah bin Nawfal’s lineage which is stated as:
    “…Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin ‘Abdul ‘Uzza…” – there is no way a Jew would have had an ancestor named Abdul ‘Uzza (Servant of ‘Uzza – a pre-Islamic pagan goddess with her cult cenetered around the city of Ta’if) a few generations ago.
    2) The hadith itself states that he converted to Christianity (not that he was born into it) – even if you were to claim it was a heretical sect:
    “…who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian…” – there is no other way to interpret the word tanaSSara (تَنَصَّرَ) in that context

    Hanging a large part of your thesis on a single hadith that contradicts your claims is simply not a good approach. I do commend you however in trying to cite a hadith from at least a sound source and not attempting to use unreliable maghazi literature or such.

    I’m not going to get into Donmeh stuff, because I haven’t read much into that subject and I can’t say it isn’t plausible. I know for certain that Wahhabis brought random ideas into the mix (not that differences of opinion aren’t allowed, but to demand everyone adhere to their conclusions of these weird minutiae) that had never been an issue prior to their coming along and starting debates about them. There really does seem to be something sinister in their approach, like it is something external trying to undermine certain core spiritual aspects of the religion (as Sh. Habib Ali al-Jifri points out):

    I enjoy revisionist history as anyone else, but you’ve got to try to make it more plausible and less speculative based on discredited theories or misinterpretations of source texts – just some advice.

    I share your concern about Saudi getting closer to the Israelis, not the least of which seems to be part of trends congruent with crap like this:
    “Nicki Minaj concert shows Saudi Arabia ‘accepts everyone’, say organisers: Rapper will headline the Jeddah World Fest on July 18”
    https://www.arabianbusiness.com/culture-society/423430-nicki-minaj-concert-shows-saudi-arabia-accepts-everyone-say-organisers

    I did not know the proposed NEOM was going to be so close to Israel.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Hossein, Moi
  62. @Assad al-Islam

    Safa and Marwa

    Sahih International : Chapter 2, verse 158

    Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah . So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs ‘umrah – there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good – then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safa_and_Marwa

    Safa (Arabic: الصّفا‎, romanized: Aṣ-Ṣafā) and Marwa (Arabic: المروة‎, romanized: Al-Marwah) are two small hills now located in the Great Mosque of Mecca in Saudi Arabia named the Masjid Al-Haram. Muslims travel back and forth between them seven times, during the ritual pilgrimages of Hajj and Umrah.

    The Great Mosque houses the Ka’bah, the focal point of prayer for all Muslims. Safa—from which the ritual walking or Sa’i begins—and Marwa are located approximately 100 m (330 ft) and 350 m (1,150 ft) from the Ka’bah respectively. The distance between Safa and Marwa is approximately 450 m (1,480 ft), so that seven trips back and forth amount to roughly 3.2 km (2.0 mi). The two points and the path between them are now inside a long gallery that forms part of the mosque.

    Didn’t I say to stop clutching straws!

  63. Hossein says:
    @Assad al-Islam

    40% but their shiism is different from that of Persians . The Zeidi do not believe in the dumb concept of Vali Faghih which is a Persian concept, imperialist one, where A Persian from Qom would rule over the Shiats .

    Sheikh Hassan fadlullah of lebanon , a famous Shia Arab leader also opposed the ridiculous idea of Vali Faghih which is creation of Persian Mullas .

    Shiism has been tainted and bastardized by the Persians for sake of expansionism and other regional goals .

    • Replies: @Talha
  64. Hossein says:
    @Rabbitnexus

    https://www.quora.com/How-is-racism-in-Iran

    This should give you a synopsis of what those racist persian Mullas have done.

    Wa alsalam

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  65. Ibn Issam says:
    @Talha

    As you are surely aware, the book on “Hagarism” by Patricia Crone and Michael Cook is a revisionist history which relies heavily on sources hostile to the traditional Islamic historical accounts. Their theories are tentative arguments and generalizations and conjectural interpretations based on false assumptions. Crone and Cook have actually disavowed much of their own work, as their theories have been universally rejected by mainstream scholars. I would reject any argument on the origins of Islam that relies on Crone and Cook as a foundational work to base theories on.

    I have read Kamal Salibi’s work, “The Bible came from Arabia” in which he correlates place names in the Hebrew Bible with place names in Southwest Arabia. According to his theory, the origin of the Israelites was in Southwest Arabia, which not only brings into question the legitimacy of the modern state of Israel, but also other theologically related issues. For instance, if the Israelite stories in Genesis actually occurred in southern Arabia, this would lend credence to the Islamic narrative that the Abrahamic sacrifice actually occurred in the area of Mecca and not Palestine. This would also make it easier to understand how Ishmael ended up in Mecca after leaving with his mother Hagar, and how his father Abraham made trips back and forth to visit him from his home in South west Arabia (rather than Canaan). Salibi’s theory is very interesting indeed and his book is worth the read.

    I agree that the original Mt. Sinai is in Northern Arabia, and this was changed in Biblical accounts for political purposes.

  66. Mulegino1 says:

    As the Russian philosopher Chadaaev observed, Islam has provided a useful function to large swathes of the Middle East, North Africa and many other parts of the world in the sense of providing them with a modicum of civilization and a moral code, as well as some profound developments of Aristotelian metaphysics. Since most Muslims believe Jesus to be the Messiah (while not believing in His Divinity) it is likely that Islam is actually an early Christian heresy, founded by Messianic Judeans.

    The Semitic role in the formation of Christianity and Christian civilization via the Patriarchs and Prophets is a preparatory and ancillary one, not overarching and dominant. The real world historical moment is, of course, the Incarnation of Christ and the fusion of Christian belief with Greek philosophy and Greco-Roman culture and law. Europe as we knew it yesterday (and it is sadly disappearing today) would not have been possible without Christianity. As Hillaire Belloc put it: “Europe is the Church, and the Church is Europe.” The Church only appropriated a few Aramaic or Hebrew loan words for its liturgical rites, and the primary scriptural source for its Old Testament was the Greek Septuagint.

    The dry husk of Talmudic Judaism plays no role in the development of Christianity, seeing as it is a cult of Pharisaical rejection of Christ and the final canonization of its authoritative text, the Babylonian Talmud, postdates the authentic New Testament by centuries.

  67. Hossein says:
    @AaronB

    Rubbish. Only a tiny bit, few tribes, were Jewish . They tried to destroy Islam but were crushed during Khyber war under the command of great future Khalifs of Islam Omar Ibn Khattab and Ali Ibn Abi Taleb.

    • Replies: @Talha
  68. Talha says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Sigh…you’ve really got to get closer to the academic working at the forefront of archaeology coming out of Saudi proper (and the greater area) within the last couple of decades:

    They are finding more and more stone inscriptions attesting to the early history (not to mention even non-Muslim sources). And even early history regarding how that land was verdant and full of various fauna.

    It is easy enough to self-publish, but would this stand up to scrutiny in a serious academic institution?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  69. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harbinger

    AaronB is delusional if he really believes his own narrative.

    If he doesn’t, on the other hand, he’s also delusional for hoping that anyone would buy what he’s selling. Either way – he’s fucked.

    • Agree: Harbinger
  70. kikz says:
    @Brabantian

    golfclap ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

  71. The House of Saud was enabled by Franklin D. Roosevelt who was acting behalf of Standard Oil derivatives that wanted to keep the Brits out of the oilfields.

    T. Boone Pickens has called it the largest wealth transfer in history.

  72. Harbinger says:
    @Hossein

    https://www.quora.com/How-is-racism-in-Iran

    This should give you a synopsis of what those racist persian Mullas have done.

    Why should Persians accept a foreign people into their lands?
    Why should any peoples accept a foreign people into their lands?
    Common sense dictates that when those foreign peoples start growing in number they start making demands, like living by their own cultural ways and promoting their traditions. As their population continues to grow they start entering politics in order to enforce their way of life upon the majority. And eventually when they are large enough they push for dominance, which is their way of life as the cultural norm, along with their religious beliefs. And voila, this is all Islamic nations in a nutshell today.
    The Persians were conquered by Islam. Goodness knows how many the Muslims murdered, but yet again, one of the many nations and civilizations taken over by Muhammadism, I’m clearly beginning to see was very possibly a Jewish plot to bring about a future conflict between Christians and Muslims. They’ll then just wait until they’ve almost destroyed one another then pick up the pieces.

    Immigration in a nutshell is cultural, national and racial suicide in any land. Muslims are exceptionally good at immigration and upon arrival in those lands, other than most being unemployed, living on benefits and pumping out sprogs like frogs, they become illegal taxi drivers and mini mart owners. They off no benefit, whatsoever to any host nation, nothing more than sleepers, slowly fighting womb Jihad.

    Why on earth would any nation be happy with Arab invaders, other than Arab lands?

    • Replies: @Talha
  73. Talha says:
    @Hossein

    Vali Faghih

    Honestly, not even many of the Iraqi Shiah scholars (like Sistani) are fully down with that concept. It is really a pretty late development in Shiah thought actually.

    creation of Persian Mullas

    There are still some Persian Shiah scholars that are not down with and publicly opposed the concept when Khomenei proposed it. There was a debate and the ones supporting Khomenei’s position won. Certain Shiah marja’s that are dissdents have been known to be put under house arrest; Hossein-Ali Montazeri being probably the best known example.

    Wa salaam.

  74. @Ibn Issam

    For instance, if the Israelite stories in Genesis actually occurred in southern Arabia, this would lend credence to the Islamic narrative that the Abrahamic sacrifice actually occurred in the area of Mecca and not Palestine.

    How true!

    There is a place in Yemen where Moses struck the stone for water. Also, Prophet Job is buried in Yemen too. Also, Thamud was in Yemen too!

    The Thamūd is an ancient civilization in the Hejaz known from the 8th century BCE to near the time of Muhammad. The Thamud civilization was located in the north of the peninsula. Although they are thought to have originated in Southern Arabia, Arabic tradition has them moving north to settle on the slopes of Mount Athlab near Mada’in Saleh.

    Numerous Thamudic rock writings and pictures have been found on Mount Ath-lab and throughout central Arabia. The oldest known reference to Thamud is a 715 BC inscription of the Assyrian king Sargon II, which mentions them as being among the people of eastern and central Arabia subjugated by the Assyrians. According to Islamic tradition, the Thamūdi existed much earlier than this, whose ancestors are said to be Iram and Ars (identified as the Biblical Aram and Uz).

    The Qur’an

    Like the ʿĀd, the Qur’an mentions the Thamud in Surah Al-A’raf in the context of several prophets who warned their people of coming judgment.The verses advise Thamud to take warning from the destruction of ʿĀd.

    To the Thamud people (We sent) their brother Salih. He said, “O my people! worship Allah: you have no other deity other than Him. There has come to you clear evidence from your Lord. This is the she-camel of God sent to you as a Sign. So leave her to eat within God’s land, and do not touch her with harm, lest there seize you a painful punishment.

    And remember when He made you successors after ʿAd and settled you in the land, and you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. Then remember the favors of God and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption.”
    — Qur’an, Surah 7 (Al-A’raf), ayat 73-74

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamud

  75. anon[272] • Disclaimer says:

    As does Israel , so does the author . Both are guilty of connecting distant unrelated or vaguely related points and come to earth shifting conclusion .

    It is like claiming that Buddhist and atheists are sane because none of the believe in God .

    Evolution of ideas leave lower branches , Ape and human aren’t sane . Islam and Judaism are familiar to each other . Have a lot in common . But Islam applies humane rules , ethics , morality , privileges and rights to all . It doesn’t discriminate between the 2 . Judaism is a religion for the exclusive It offers rights privileges and freedom only to the members of the Judaism . It discriminates those who are not Cohen or Benjamin or similar priestly origin Jews .

  76. Anonymous[481] • Disclaimer says:
    @Assad al-Islam

    You see if you are going to pretend to be an Arab/muslim you need to realise for the most part they are humourless. Do not focus on the sarcasm they would not understand it. Of course everyone here knows you are a hasbara but anyway…

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  77. kikz says:

    dogma.. an affront to Reason, Deity’s greatest gift to Man…………………..what a waste of mental effort.. what a waste of life……………

    zoom out to ‘pale blue dot’ perspective………..free your mind, your ass will follow.

    miss you, Carl.


    Pale Blue Dot

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  78. Talha says:
    @Hossein

    They tried to destroy Islam

    I wouldn’t necessarily state they tried to destroy Islam as such – that seems a little too black and white.

    If you read the source texts you see that what happened in Madinah has to be put into the greater context. The Jews of Madinah really didn’t see a big problem with Islam and signed up under the confederation agreements in the charter of Madinah (the SaHifah). They were eventually perturbed by the Islamic prohibitions on usury since they had attained considerable influence over the Arab tribes in the area due to financial lending and such.

    However the bigger problem was the larger civil war in the Hijaz between the city-states of Makkah and Madinah. There was constant pressure by the pagan Arabs of Makkah coming (militarily and politically to side with them) and the Jews had to decide (like practically all of the tribes in that region) whether to throw in their lot with the pagan Quraysh or the Muslims (if they were on the losing side, it was not going to be good). Unfortunately, the majority of those tribes and their leadership – minus some dissidents – picked the wrong horse; a rather stupid mistake (given their own theological background) in backing pagans against monotheists – or at least assuming the pagans would come out on top once the dust settled.

    Picking the wrong side in war has serious consequences, as they eventually learned.

    Peace.

  79. Talha says:
    @Ibn Issam

    the book on “Hagarism” by Patricia Crone and Michael Cook is a revisionist history which relies heavily on sources hostile to the traditional Islamic historical accounts.

    Yup – see my subsequent posts.

    Nevertheless, I do appreciate the late Prof. Crone – a feisty lady that was a maverick in her field and willing to push the limits of discourse. The fact that she may have overreached shouldn’t detract from her being commended for trying to give a different angle to assumed history. The debate/discussion happened – and her theory eventually lost out.

    I agree that the original Mt. Sinai is in Northern Arabia, and this was changed in Biblical accounts for political purposes.

    This may well be one of the greatest turn-arounds in historical narrative within my lifetime. It is a great time to be alive – alhamdulillah.

    Thanks for the book reference.

    Wa salaam.

  80. I absolutely Love your book, which I am now on 4th chapter. I go slow because I have to work at a job a hate which takes my precious reading time away from me!! I bought the kindle version, but when I have the money I’m getting the hard copy as well.

    The book links the ancient history of “Israel”, which was expropriated by the priestly class of scribes, to the current events that are now happening. It is a 5+ star out of 5 star book for sure. Read it!!

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  81. Talha says:
    @Harbinger

    Why should Persians accept a foreign people into their lands?

    That’s not the problem. The problem is Iran sits on the footprint of ancient Persian empires that expanded into other people’s lands – like Kurds and Turks for instance. Now, I’m not for rolling back current national boundaries, but one must recognize

    The Persians themselves are a (possibly “the”) bedrock of Islamic civilization, nobody contributed as much as they did to the development of Islam – nobody:

    There contribution can only possibly be compared to that of the Greeks to Christianity.

    I know of plenty of Persians (Sunni and Shiah) who love Islam, but aren’t too hot about the clerics running the country. Political dissidence against a theocratic-run government should not be automatically be mistaken for dislike of the religion; I can think of plenty of Christians (right here on UNZ) that wouldn’t like the Pope in control of the US government, but are church-attending Christians.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  82. @onebornfree

    Mencken not withstanding, I find it hard to believe that a rational man can read the wildly varied comments to this thread and not realize that civilization (such as it is) cannot stand without some set of organizing principles.

    This lack of rationality is quite widespread among the learned, however, and I believe it is based on two errors:

    1. an overestimation of the intellect of the typical human, and

    2. an overestimation of our state of understanding of the human condition.

    The most destabilizing aspect of our ignorance of the human condition is the lack of acceptance that natural selection applies to our species as ruthlessly as to others.

    I believe that most established religions make, or attempt to make, Darwinian sense, otherwise they would not survive (as opposed to Dawkins, who thinks they are memes serving themselves). That they espouse cruel gods is a reflection of the true state of nature.

  83. @Anonymous

    You see if you are going to pretend to be an Arab/muslim you need to realise for the most part they are humourless. Do not focus on the sarcasm they would not understand it. Of course everyone here knows you are a hasbara but anyway…

    LOL!

  84. @AaronB

    I doubt you have read his book. And if so, you are either a backwards Zionist Christian or a fanatical Jew.

  85. @Ibn Issam

    Crone and Cook have actually disavowed much of their own work,

    Have they? Where can I read this?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @ploni almoni
    , @Seraphim
  86. S says:
    @Hossein

    ..the Imperialist wannabe persians who dream of conquring the entire middle east subjugating the Arabs and establishing the IRAN BOZORG, greater IRAN , on ruins of Arab land.

    I’ve heard it suggested that the Shah could have stayed in power indefinitely, but that the US/UK (with France) deliberately undermined the Shah and ‘allowed’ for Khomeini to return to Iran for the specific purpose of abetting the Iranian Revolution. After the fall of the Shah, Iran would act as a linchpin, and breath new life into Islamic fundamentalism until the time of the also ‘allowed’ and fostered ‘Arab Springs’.

    The overall idea being that Islamics would get their hopes up, possibly re-establishing a Caliphate for a time, and then deliberately have their dreams thoroughly crushed by the US/UK and ‘allies’ in WWIII.

    If that has been the plan, it would not be dissimilar to how some allege Hitler was ‘allowed’ and ‘fostered’ in Germany by the US and UK, ‘allowed’ to rise up for a time, getting much of Europe’s hopes up, only to be crushed by the US/UK and ‘allies’ in WWII.

    Hope that’s not the case.

    • Replies: @refl
  87. @Talha

    You can read a good refutation here (by Prof. Bo Holmberg):
    https://journal.fi/store/article/view/41583/10676

    I’ll do it!

    You can read the text of the full hadith here:
    https://sunnah.com/bukhari/1/3

    I’ll do that too. But I was just documenting the thesis of the Christian heretic origin of Islam, to which I don’t subscribe: I did not infer that Khadijah was Jew. (In fact, I don’t take hadiths very seriously as historical source)

    Hanging a large part of your thesis on a single hadith that contradicts your claims is simply not a good approach.

    You are misunderstanding my approach. But I take note of the misunderstanding.

    I enjoy revisionist history as anyone else, but you’ve got to try to make it more plausible and less speculative based on discredited theories or misinterpretations of source texts – just some advice.

    I like advice. Thanks. But some amount of speculation is unavoidable, when dealing with religious history, which is the most fraudulent domain (same with Jewish or Christian history), because it is intended to indoctrinate, not inform.

    • Replies: @Talha
  88. @Talha

    Sigh…you’ve really got to get closer to the academic working at the forefront of archaeology coming out of Saudi proper (and the greater area) within the last couple of decades:

    I’ll take a close look at this. Thanks. I do not pretend to have the whole picture, and I appreciate informative comments like yours.

  89. @Assad al-Islam

    another sarcasm

    Your sarcasm is not very informative. By the way, have you watch the video in question? Perhaps you should. I haven’t watched it entirely myself. I will.

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  90. Noman says:

    Islam, like Christianity, is a construct of Zionist intelligence operatives.

    “Allah” revealed his teachings to a desert pirate, who specialized in attacking caravans that did not have Medina’s protection. “All about the Benjamins, baby.”

    Christ in Heaven revealed Christianity to a counter intelligence agent working to destroy the Jesus following movement centered on Judea and the Disciples. The agent becomes the expert behind Christianity. The new religion becomes the Church of Rome by the dictate of a pagan emperor.

    Islam and Christianity are used to divide the world, as is Marxism/Communism.

    The Hidden Hand with the always winning hand.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
    , @ploni almoni
  91. Noman says:

    Who rules Iran and has through the centuries.

    http://mileswmathis.com/iran.pdf

    A good resource on how to create and co-opt a religious movement:

    Christ’s Ventriloquists: The Event that Created Christianity, by Eric Zuesse

    Jewish Pirates in History.

    http://mileswmathis.com/pirate.pdf

  92. Talha says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    You are misunderstanding my approach.

    OK – sorry about misconstruing things.

    In fact, I don’t take hadiths very seriously as historical source.

    Good, all I ask is that someone remain consistent in their approach – not that the come to the same conclusions I have. Sloppy epistemology is my biggest pet peeve. For instance, if you were going to cite that hadith (in Bukhari) as definitive, then your later claim about the qiblah being changed to Makkah in the 8th century is simply false since both Bukhari and Muslim cite a hadith about when the qiblah was changed and even what time of day it occurred. In which case if you deny one, but not the other, you are simply cherry-picking – again, that is if you used that approach (which you clarified that you do not).

    If I started from your same a priori assumptions (religious claims are false and their source texts cannot be trusted as historical information), I would likely come to at least some similar conclusions you have.

    I appreciate informative comments like yours.

    No problem, sir. Thanks for considering them.

    Peace.

  93. Talha says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Just a bit from her obituary of a few years ago:
    “The authors later distanced themselves from some of the book’s more speculative arguments. But that was the result of conviction, not compromise.”
    https://www.economist.com/obituary/2015/08/01/a-scholar-in-the-desert

    Again, you should really read up on Prof. Robert Hoyland’s works – he did a much more thorough work in looking at and translating the earliest non-Muslim source texts. Unfortunately, even those are of a religious (and sometimes polemical) bent – you simply cannot escape that tendency in world of Late Antiquity…

    Peace.

  94. Moi says:
    @Miggle

    Islam is closer to Judaism than is Christianity, and Islam is closer to Christianity than is Judaism.

  95. @Ghali

    There has been a minor industry since the Enlightenment got grabby in Germany around de-mythologizing. Old Testament / Jewish Bible online lecture series from Yale University with all the essential True Facts and all Fake News expunged.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNeyuvTEbD-Ei0JdMUujXfyWi

    The later episodes are too crammed and the Psalms episode is crap but the first few are as good a source as can be found on the internet if you are interested in knowing what is contained in the Party Line.

  96. Moi says:
    @Assad al-Islam

    The straight path to God is Islam.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  97. Moi says:
    @Assad al-Islam

    You are probably right, except that the man is a total bastard 🙂

  98. Moi says:
    @Hossein

    Shia are as Muslim as any Sunni. The Prophet was neither Sunni nor Shia. Stop this stupid squabbling–all Muslims are brothers and one community.

    • Replies: @Rich
  99. Moi says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Islam’s “cradle” is God (the Source), or one might argue Adam or Gabriel. But it is NOT Judaism. Islam does not claim to be a new “religion” but the same message given to all prophets (and not just the OT prophets)–which is that God is one and to obey God.

    What Islam shares with Judaism and Christianity is that all three are Abrahamic religions.

  100. Moi says:
    @Talha

    I no longer bother reading what non-Muslims say about Islam–I prefer to get that knowledge from Muslim authorities.

    • Replies: @Talha
  101. @Moi

    Fine. But tell me, what makes you think that God, or his angel, spoke to Muhammad? I’m interested.

  102. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    If Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees, maybe his mother was an American Indian.

  103. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Moi

    Moi says: “The straight path to God is Islam.”

    “God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find not only sanctuary in His arms, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated egos. He will set them above their betters.”
    H.L. Mencken

    ” People crave certainties in this world, and are hostile to ifs and buts. The chief strength of organized religion lies in the fact that it provides plain and positive assurance for poor souls who find the mysteries of this earthly existence an intolerable headache, and are uneasy about their prospects post-mortem.” H.L. Mencken

    Regards, onebornfree

  104. @AaronB

    It is funny you mention materialism because Judaism isn’t very concerned about the afterlife because of Jewish contrarianism towards the popular religions of its day: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/afterlife-in-judaism

    The Dark Ages was coined by a propagandist for the Medici banker family. The ignorant Western Europeans were being reintroduced (or first time introduced) to classical thought like an innocent child finds a loaded gun. The politically correct belief enforcers (the inquisition) of that day didn’t like it because their ridiculous religion couldn’t stand up to the Western science and philosophy of the Greeks and Romans. There was an explosion of invention that continues to this day because Western science and philosophy won over oriental superstition. Science will always grow but the Bible is a decaying artifact of a time long gone. There is no place for tribalism in our mega cities. Pagan means country dwelling hick in Latin, what do you think Christian and Muslim mean now? It isn’t flattering.

    I agree Europeans have a spirituality problem. They wouldn’t have ended up worshiping a son of an Arabian volcano spirit otherwise.

    If the bible is true then who is “us” which Yahweh speaks about in Genesis 3:22? Did he murder his brothers and sisters to become the only god? Why have a rule about worshiping other gods if they aren’t real? Maybe they offer a better deal than the volcano god? How do you know the violent volcano god isn’t lying to you because you only know what it told you? Also where is this tree of life? It has to be growing somewhere. It is guarded by a cherub with a flaming sword so it would be sort of hard to miss (Genesis 3:24).

  105. @Laurent Guyénot

    Your sarcasm is not very informative. By the way, have you watch the video in question? Perhaps you should. I haven’t watched it entirely myself. I will.

    I briefly watched the video after your following erroneous quote to Miggle in your post #55 that Mecca is not mentioned in the Quran:

    Great video. Must see! I was aware that the Koran doesn’t mention Mecca, and that there are inconsistencies with the actual Mecca (archeology). I didn’t get into that because I am trying to be synthetic and cannot engage in every issue. However, I now realize that this issue is actually a great piece in the puzzle, since it makes islam’s cradle much closer to Judaism’s cradle, in North-West Arabia (Midian). I have heard also the thesis that Medina might be the capital of Midian.

    If you had taken the time and read both my posts #57 and #62, that Becca (Mecca) is mentioned in the Quran, just like Yatrib (Medina) is mentioned in the Quran too. I quoted you the Quranic verse about Safa and Marwa being in Mecca and gave you references in my post #62.

    Almost all Pakistanis don’t know Arabic, but they act they do. They are mostly Quran Only Muslim and followers of late Rashad Khalifa, who is an Egyptian Coptic. He claimed that since Quran mentions Becca, therefore Mohammad was born in Becca, Syria. In his translation of Quran, which has now been amended, he called Safa and Marwa as rocks and peebles, so to confuse further the Pakistani chaps. Both Safa and Marwa are in the Kabba, Mecca.

  106. Talha says:
    @Moi

    Well, like I said – it’s certainly “interesting and entertaining”…

    As I mentioned in my post #93, if I started out with the assumption; “The Islamic claims are false and source texts suspect, no how do I explain the historical phenomenon?”…

    …I would likely come to some very similar conclusions as the author, but that is because of an axiomatic position I chose to start with. Why a believing Muslim would simply buy into that, I have no clue.

    The major problem with that approach is as Prof. Patricia Crone (how many times can we cite this lady in this same discussion?) herself stated; the Hijaz (and much of Arabia at the time) was simply “terra incognita”. It was a relative backwater with rampant illiteracy and no one else (like the Romans or Persians) even cared to observe it such that there is a reliable and strong counter-narrative. If you simply reject what the Arabs themselves say happened, well good luck pinning anything down; where else do you find the strongest support for Jewish presence (even down to the names of tribes and cities they inhabited) other than in the Islamic source texts??!! The story of early Islam (including the Qur’an and hadith) is really a self-disclosure narrative of the peoples of the Hijaz and the civil war that was fought between them in the aftermath of the birth of a new religion (or ideology, if you like).

    Again – a sloppy epistemic approach just makes me cringe. Stuff like the below makes me want to vomit:
    “So we have a choice. We can believe Holland’s claim, based on an unreliable nineteenth-century forgery of a supposedly twelfth-century work from France quoting an eleventh-century rabbi in Baghdad quoting an eighth century rabbi from near Kufa, that, because Zoroastrian converts to Islam still liked to drink wine, that therefore the Muslim practice of praying five times a day, which, like wine drinking, Zoroastrians also did, must also have been imported into Islam from Zoroastrianism by Zoroastrian converts.

    That, or, we can believe, based on historically attested Muslim and non-Muslim sources, which paint a reliable overall picture of Muslim practice in Kufa and Medina decades before Rav Yehudai supposedly made his observation, that the five daily prayers were widely accepted as a core practice of Islam by at least the early 700’s, only seventy or so years after the death of the Prophet Muhammad.”
    http://drjonathanbrown.com/2015/tom-holland-the-five-daily-prayers-and-they-hypocrisy-of-revisionism/

    I guess to a certain degree, I should be happy that non-Muslim researchers make these mistakes or attempt stretches of the imagination because it makes our narrative that much simpler and appealing (even if not for non-Muslims, at least for Muslims themselves) once you point out flagrant problems in their foundational approach.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  107. @Moi

    “…Islam’s “cradle” is God (the Source)…”

    Unfortunately that “cradle” (God) was pretty ignorant about his supposed “former revelations” in the OT and the NT. He mixed them all up, showing rather the confused ideas of an illiterate 7th century Arab than of an “omniscient” Deity :

    See : Why the Quran is not from Allah : 10 reasons.

    thereligionofpeace.com

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Moi
  108. @Talha

    For instance, you mention the late Patricia Crone’s theory. You do know that as time has progressed and more evidence has been discovered that nobody really gives it the time of day, right? You can read a good refutation here (by Prof. Bo Holmberg):
    https://journal.fi/store/article/view/41583/10676

    I took a glance over this text reccomended by you searching for something substantial that could refute Patricia Crone’s theories which I also didn’t know before I read Guyenot’s text. Maybe I didn’t notice the important passage, but I simple didn’t see anything ressembling a refutation in this text by Prof. Holmberg. He seems to be critical about her work, but he doesn’t say anything concrete – in case I didn’t miss something important. I don’t think that it’s enough to say that she pays too much attention to non-Muslim sources and too little to Muslim sources. I’d like to see him quoting a passage by Crone and showing concretely what’s wrong with it. But I didn’t see anything like that. Gueynot used several sources to paint a picture that seems coherent and reasonable for a person who isn’t an expert.

    • Agree: Laurent Guyénot
    • Replies: @Talha
  109. @Paw

    The official Zionist Narrative DOES not stand to Scholarly, archeological, antropolical, Genetic, research. Its ALL jewish MYTHOLOGY fictional accounts a made up “reality” to produce a synthetic fabricated Israel. This myths had been impose upon the NON jews historically relentlessly in schools, Movies, academic (fake) research. Altered, false fake biblical passages, texts,…Why should NON jews believe the Torah, The Talmud since they are all INhuman monstruosities. I DONT BELIEVE ANY OF IT…(Zionist)…why this psychopathic, paranoid, insane obsession with THE PAST??? the 3th Temple..it will start WW III..LET it GO. GET over it…NO one can violate (buy) the laws of HISTORY… no one…

    • Replies: @Druid
  110. Harbinger says:
    @Talha

    “The Persians themselves are a (possibly “the”) bedrock of Islamic civilization, nobody contributed as much as they did to the development of Islam – nobody:”

    I’d have to disagree. Without Arabia, there would be no Islam. Had they not spread Islam and Muhammad hadn’t decided to launch wars on lands to enforce Islamic doctrine upon them, there would be no Islam.

    ” I can think of plenty of Christians (right here on UNZ) that wouldn’t like the Pope in control of the US government, but are church-attending Christians.”

    Anyone with any common sense should never want a Theocracy. The pope is a puppet, under the control of the Sanhedrin as has been the case for a while now. The Catholic Church’s wealth is controlled by the Rothschilds. Need I say more?

    One man (or woman’s) relation with God is their own and no one else, just as an individual’s choices in society are their own and should that involve altercation between another/s then that’s between them and NOT a state, who hire thugs (police) to enforce their will upon them. The minute the majority (one more) impose their will upon another, you’ve moved into tyranny. I do not believe in religion in the least. It’s simply a way for people to profit off of others, promising them an entrance into heaven. It’s utter bollox.

    • Replies: @Talha
  111. cretino says:

    nuke them all, jews and muslims, they’re like giant leeches, nobody need these scum

  112. Talha says:
    @UncommonGround

    I don’t think that it’s enough to say that she pays too much attention to non-Muslim sources and too little to Muslim sources.

    Possibly because you are not Muslim.

    He’s talking about its assumptions as a faulty methodological approach (because that is indeed what was proposed by Crone and Cook, a new methodological approach). He compares and contrasts it with a sounder approach like that of her protege, Prof. Robert Hoyland. In fact, Hoyland actually carried the approach out from a mere theoretical standpoint to actualization (gathering and translating the earliest non-Muslim source material on the subject of Islam – as per the book I cited). His own conclusion, after doing the actual legwork that Crone had suggested, was to conclude that there wasn’t much to speak of in terms of hard new results in following that trajectory.

    My further comments mention that there is indeed much more archeological evidence (and I cited just a fraction of the researchers involved) that keeps on getting discovered (especially since the Saudi authorities have slowly been relaxing the rules to allow this kind of research to occur in their country) that lends more credence to the original Islamic narrative. Remember, when Crone’s thesis came out, it was in the late 70’s – it’s been over 40 years since then and a lot has been discovered and translated. You can follow accounts like this (even though in Arabic, Twitter has a translate option) to see the work in real time:

    Peace.

  113. Talha says:
    @Harbinger

    Without Arabia, there would be no Islam.

    That’s a given – that’s like saying without Jews, there would be no Christianity. We are talking about level/volume of contribution and nothing approaches the level of what the Persians did.

    The minute the majority (one more) impose their will upon another, you’ve moved into tyranny.

    OK – but that’s literally how democracy works (whether premised on religion or otherwise). If you want to claim democracy is tyranny (or at least tyranny of the majority) – that’s fine if you are consistent.

    I do not believe in religion in the least.

    That’s fine – in a democracy, your voice counts just the same as the guy with a Bible in one hand and a snake in the other.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
    , @Art
  114. Rich says:
    @Moi

    That may be the funniest comment I’ve ever read. Visit the Middle East. When you come back you will have lost all illusions about any “brotherhood”, even of Muslims of the the same sect.

    • Replies: @Talha
  115. Can one of you write about Petra being the real birthplace of Islam?

  116. This is an unfortunate hodge-podge. Has Mr Guyenot been kidnapped and replaced by a Mossad spokesman? On the one hand, he implies that Moses is imaginary, which is obvious, on the other that “Moses had taken advantage of the ‘centuries-long struggle between Egypt and Assyria for the control of Syria.’” Yes, the Assyrians had taken control of Syria in 722 BC. The Northern Kingdom of Israel dissolved itself and the “Ten Lost Tribes” became Syrians. Judah retained its “Jewish” identity, whatever that was then, and became an Assyrian vassal until it was conquered by Babylonia. The Assyrian empire was not around Canaan “for centuries,” but only at its brief height, and the imaginary Moses was never around at all. He was never around, at any time, except in the imagination, because he was created around 621 BC as a purely mythological and political creation, augmented into a super hero by Ezra the Scribe in 398 BC. Then Mr Guyenot, or someone pretending to be Mr Guyenot, says “The conquest of Canaan launched by Moses and achieved by Joshua, which gave birth to Judaism.” Previously, Mr Guyenot seemed to be aware that the Torah is bunk and there never was an exodus out of Egypt. Has he been made an offer that he could not refuse? Modern Judaism, that is Pharisaism, was indeed launched by Ezra, and it is Ezra who is Moses. And Ezra just rode to Jerusalem from Babylon after Cyrus conquered Babylon and the Persians gave Ezra support and a military escort.

    Then “Mr Guyenot” has fallen into bad company, namely, the ongoing Jewish operation to destroy its competition, Christianity and Islam. On the Islamic front, Patricia Crone and Michael Cook, “Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World” were the avant-garde of the Jewish war on the People of the Book. Despite the fact that they have the mark of the beast all over them, he draws from them that the “Constitution of Medina” is a “fossilized” element within the Islamic tradition, “a patently anomalous and plausibly archaic element of the Islamic tradition,” that documents “the alliance between Muhammad and the powerful Jewish tribes of Yathrib.” First of all, this is sheer double talk. And it ignores the fact that, shortly thereafter, Muhammad kicked the “Powerful” Jewish tribes out of Medina for multiple betrayals.

    Crone and Cook don’t believe there ever was a Muhammad. This “patently anomalous” and at the same time “plausibly archaic element,” the so-called “Constitution of Mecca” is an agreement documented in the Koran. Crone and Cook claim that the Koran is a forgery written by “Hagarenes” an apparently sub-human goyish group, a hundred or more years after the actual dates of the perfectly historical figure known as Muhammad. The “Constitution of Mecca” is a modern name for a simple political agreement defining the relations between the Jews of Medina, the pagan Arabs of Medina, and the Muslims of Medina, an agreement which Muhammad instituted as head of state around 624. But the authors of Hagarism want you to think that the Koran was made up a hundred years or so after the time of Muhammad by a political governor of the Umayyads named al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, according to his “tastes.” Well, oddly, his tastes ran to the Apocrypha and the Dead Sea Scrolls. They call Muslims “Hagarenes” which could be translated as “rag heads.” Would the real Mr Guyenot use such a source?

    The original direction of prayer of Muhammad was Jerusalem. This is indeed true and it is in the Koran. This is because Muhammad and his people were Ebionites or “Jewish Christians” who fled from the oppression of the Christian takeover of the Roman Empire. The Ebionites (“The Poor Ones”) were the followers of James of Jerusalem “the brother of Jesus” (meaning that “James was like Jesus”). These scattered Ebionites flocked to Islam when it came out of the desert, and then recoiled from `Ali the Fourth Caliph when he embraced the Manicheans of Kufah as his support against the Umayyad takeover. `Ali was already spurned by the original Muslims, first by the Companions who revolted against him immediately when he became Caliph, the first revolt, and then by the “Kharijites,” who were also Ebionites, those scattered elsewhere than the Hejaz. After he was finally assassinated `Ali became the stand-in figurehead for Mani in Shi`ism and the fountain of wisdom for the Manichean clones known as Sufis. Thus the original Ebionites, who flocked to Islam from all corners became “Kharijites” or “those who left” after `Ali’s betrayal of Muhammad’s accomplishments by his alliance with the Manichean Kufans. The Kharijites went back into exile in the desert and are found today in Oman, Libya, Tunisia, and Algeria. In the New Testament Epistle of James, James says, like Muhammad, that one must “submit to God” and turn away from the world. (For Ebionites and Islam see Roncaglia: “Ebionite and Elkhasite Elements in the Koran.”)

    Muhammad, after five hundred and sixty five years of exile, changed the prayer direction from Jerusalem to Mecca in 624 as a political stratagem to remove the objections of the Quraysh of Mecca to the new religious development, Islam. The Quraysh feared that the new development among the Ebionites would destroy their economy which was in part based upon Mecca as a pagan religious center and a pagan pilgrimage destination. Muhammad first co-opted Mecca as the prayer direction to show his flexibility, and then in 628 he co-opted the Meccan pilgrimage for his religion transforming, the pagan pilgrimage into something “Abrahamic.” Actually, the Meccan pilgrimage was only a few hundred years old and a commercial copy of an earlier commercial pilgrimage to the “oaks of Abraham” in Hebron. These were bold moves, the kind you could expect only from a prophet. He was compromising with the Meccan Arabs since the surrounding Pharisee Jews were hostile anyway, and the Karaite Jews of Iraq, who could have been sympathetic, were far away. The Karaites, original Jews, were chased out by the Pharisees in 762, and have been reduced to only thirty thousand today, while in the middle ages they were 40% of all Jews. These concessions of Muhammad to the Meccans brought about the collapse of Meccan resistance to Muhammad and to Islam in 630 and resulted in the sudden phenomenal expansion of Islam thereafter. The change of prayer direction is documented in the Koran and since now copies of the Koran have been found in Yemen which pre-date the eighth century, there is new proof to nullify the Hagarism psy-op. Of course, the damage has been done.

    The “return of the prayer direction to Mecca in the eighth century” which is cited by Mr Premaire is a confused reference to the fact that ʿAbd al-Malik, the fifth Umayyad Caliph ruling in Damascus from 685 to 705 may have built the Dome of the Rock as a substitute for the Kaʿba in Mecca in an attempt to relocate the Muslim pilgrimage from Mecca to Jerusalem because Mecca was then under the control of “rebels” led by Ibn al-Zubayr. Ibn al- Zubayr was, like Muhammad, an Ebionite, a child of the first followers, and was attempting to protect the religion from worldly carpet baggers like the Umayyads, who had originally been the enemies of Islam in Mecca. Since the Dome of the Rock contains all the Koranic verses about Jesus on its walls, it was also a good will gesture to the Christians.

    Then Mr Guyenot says “Crone and Cook find evidence of ‘an overt quarrel between Jews and Arabs over the possession of the site of the Holy of Holies, in which the Arabs frustrate a Jewish design to restore the Temple and build their own oratory there instead.’ ” He says Simultaneously, as the Hagarenes [“Rag heads”] broke with their erstwhile Jewish protégés and acquired large numbers of Christian subjects, their initial hostility to Christianity was clearly liable to erosion. The messianic significance of the conquest was toned down, and Jesus was recognized as Messiah—but the hatred of the cross was maintained through a clever invocation of Docetism.” This is a tissue of lies by guess who. The Ebionites always recognized Jesus as a Messiah, it is right there in the Book of Acts, but they just could not accept him as “a son of God” and they could not give up the Mosaic law (as “James told Paul”). The Mosaic law is largely found in the Koran, along with circumcision, but without any Talmudic elements. There are, of course some fringe Talmudic elements such as stories proudly brought in later by Jewish converts, as the idea that Omar walked around with whip to punish Sabbath breakers or that Islam punishes adulterers with stoning which is a Jewish practice. Stoning is not in the Koran at all and is a Jewish practice which both Jesus and the Ebionites repudiated.

    These are insane ravings which come from bad company. Docetism is an alternative, heretical shadow Gnostic doctrine that arose contemporaneously with the Gospels. Since the Gnostics think that Jesus was 100% divine, they conclude that he could not have been crucified because this would be impossible to do to God, and so, they present their explanation which is that the crucifixion of Jesus was a hallucination, an appearance only. This docetism was a tenet of the well meaning but block headed Marcion in the second century. Marcion was indeed the Christian forerunner of Protestantism, and of Mani, everybody’s favorite heretic. Mani, as St Ephrem of Syria said, went through the door that Marcion and Bardesane, both Gnostics, opened. Manicheism from the Lakhmid kingdom in Iraq attempted to take over the Ebionites of Mecca around 612 and was successfully fought off by Muhammad, but some wounds remained, namely Docetism and not drinking wine.

    The Muslims, when they conquered Jerusalem in 636 under Omar allowed thirty Jewish families to resettle in Jerusalem, overturning the bans of the Romans and the Christians. From that time until now, there was no question of Jews building a new temple on the “Temple Mount.” Firstly, because the Temple Mount was not the site of the temple. What is today called the “Temple Mount” only became identified, mistakenly, as the site of Solomon’s, Zerubbable’s, and Herod’s Temple by the Crusaders and then by Benjamin of Tudela. The original temple was so thoroughly destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 that Josephus said if he had not seen it before the war, he would not believe it had ever existed. Over a thousand years the location of the Temple was completely forgotten, and even Omar the Caliph could not find it when he went looking for it with the Christian Bishop Sophronius in 636. The Knights Templar turned the Dome of the Rock into their headquarters. But even they were not so sure what the site was since they seem to have thought that it was a shrine connected with one of the “Johns.” (See Masonic rituals.) Then, around 1167, a Pharisee named Benjamin of Tudela, as Jewish plenopotentiary from Jewish controlled Spain, officially designated the Temple Mount as the site of the Jewish Temples, ignoring all the descriptions in the Bible and in Josephus. The Pharisees of Spain, through such missionaries as Benjamin of Tudela, were overseeing how the Khazars were coming along. The Khazars, Turkic pagans, had first been converted to Karaite Judaism starting in 732, under military pressure from the Umayyads, and, when the Pharisee headquarters of Toledo became alarmed at such a startling development on the part of a rival form of Judaism, the Khazars were re-converted by Toledan firemen around 850. This re-conversion is the so-called “Obadiah reforms.” By being converted to Pharisee Judaism the Khazars were promised to be made the adopted descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and given a genuine Jewish soul. This is documented in the “Khazar Correspondence” an “exchange of letters” in the 950s or 960s between Hasdai ibn Shaprut, foreign secretary to the Caliph of Cordoba, and Joseph the Kagan of the Khazars, and especially in the “Kuzari” of Yehudah Halevi. The “Correspondence” is phony as is Yehudah Halevi himself, but the story they tell is true.

    The Temple Mount which Benjamin of Tudela announced as the site of the Jewish Temples was actually the Antonia Fortress, and after 135, the site of a Temple to Jupiter built by Hadrian. Yes, “the Wailing Wall” in front of which the Jews have been praying was actually a Temple to Jupiter and the headquarters of a Roman Legion, Legio X Fretensis. The actual Jewish Temples were near the Gihon spring on the Ophel ridge six hundred feet away. For the real location of the Temple of Solomon see George Wesley Buchanan and now Ernest L. Martin in “The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot.” There is no need to destroy the Dome of the Rock, the al-Aqsa Mosque, Notre Dame de Paris, to build a third Temple. The real site is available. Yahweh may love the smell of burning flesh, but the Temple can be rebuilt without destroying the patrimony of the rest of humanity.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  117. Talha says:
    @Rich

    When you come back you will have lost all illusions about any “brotherhood”, even of Muslims of the the same sect.

    I think as far as unity is concerned, we are kind of in a sucky stage – not fun.

    I think it’s probably best to not view it in a vacuum. I think we might be doing relatively well in unity or brotherhood or common purpose comparatively to others…take Whites, for instance.

    I mean, one of the main reasons Europeans lost all their overseas territories was that they reminded themselves how much more they like killing each other rather than other people. Hell, that last big one was such a doozy, they were inviting darkies from all over the place to help out:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  118. interesting…the dissident Right is now mostly anti-jew, but we have a lot to learn from them

  119. refl says:
    @S

    The late Robert Parry at his site consortiumnews.com had numerous articles on it. One realization that got him started as a dissident journalist was when he found out about the rabbit hole behind Iran-Contra, how the arms deliveries from the US to Iran were actually orchestrated by Israel (among other things). It was about letting Muslims kill Muslims. If that was a replay of the Let Christians kill Christians affair that were the World Wars, well it would be worth a thought.

    I am not into religious issues, so I have to accept what I am told here and somehow find reasonable conclusions, but I am quite sure that the Sunni/Shia divide only became such a deadly force rather recently and it certainly was a motive behind the assault on Irak that in that country the divide was not quite that extreme.
    Iran certainly has the advantage that they can use Shia Islam as sort of a national religion. When I see the Ajatollahs and compare them to the gulf Sunni princes, Ii know where my synpathies lie.

  120. Art says:

    Kudos to Ron Unz – another great article.

    The Unz Review is the most intellectually stimulating blog on the net.

    There is one timely article after another – on culture, nationhood, religion, philosophy, race, and tribe.

    UR attracts many interesting commenters of all stripes. It is judiciously monitored.

    Thanks — Art

    • Agree: Talha
  121. Harbinger says:
    @Talha

    “..that’s like saying without Jews, there would be no Christianity.”

    On the contrary, not at all.
    The biggest lie, again perpetuated by the Jews is the fact that they are the Israelites and Hebrews of old. They are not. They never have been. The bible is the journey of the Israelites, not the Jews, which is a word that came into beign in the 16th century, as there was no ‘J’ in the alphabet. The word Jew, back then, was collectively used, by Christians as to mean of the land of Judea, again a false translation. Christ was not a Jew. He was an Israelite. The word Jew DOES NOT come from Judah or relates to any of the 12 tribes. It is a colossal lie, promoted by the Jews, who ironically are the very peoples GOD told the Israelites to destroy, in the many lands they existed, worshipping their many different deities.

    http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/TruthPage/the_word_jew.html

    I am 100% polarly opposed to any form of democracy, whatsoever. Firstly democracy is the road to socialism which is the road to tyranny. No one should be under the control of authority of another, period, unless of course they give their consent. If they wish to be slaves to a tyrant and authoritarian system, that’s entirely their choice. The true life, of man is anarchy – without rule, rulers.
    In an anarchy the Jew and his infested world wouldn’t exist. They’d all be gutted like pigs. No feminism, no communism, no socialism, no pedophilia, no LGBTQ, no transgender madness….the list goes on and on. It is the very reason that EVERY single movie, from Jewwood portrays anarchy as post apocalyptic wastegrounds where everyone is eating one another. The last thing a Jew wants is an anarchy because without the ability to control they are brown bread.

    Again, I don’t vote. I do not believe in any democracy, not only for what I’ve already stated, but because in a democracy politicians are bought, just as every politician was bought by the wealthiest from the whence politicians started to walk the earth. They are lobbyists for corporations, Jews, bankers, aristocracies and nothing more. The last thing they are is representatives of the people, which ironically is what people actually think they are.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
    , @Talha
    , @anon
  122. @Franklin Ryckaert

    It is a pity isn’t it, that people prefer to wallow in filth and propaganda rather than truth.

    • Replies: @Talha
  123. @Talha

    Brotherhood is where you find it.

    • Replies: @Talha
  124. Talha says:
    @refl

    I am quite sure that the Sunni/Shia divide only became such a deadly force rather recently

    Good, then you know your history.

    I’m just the last few decades, before the invasion of Iraq and destabilization of Syria, there was actually quite a bit of Sunni/Shiah cooperation. For instance there were Shiah fighters and assistance in Bosnia and there were Sunni fighters and assistance to Azerbaijan in its war against Armenia.

    Furthermore, Iran has issued stamps of Pan-Islamic Sunni thinkers like Iqbal:

    Jamal ud-Deen al-Afghani:

    Even Syed Qutb:

    And, of course:

    Peace.

  125. S says:
    @refl

    Thanks for the input.

    Behind the crazy surface events there does seem to be a perverse logic behind the scenes.

    I have to say the US has been quite aware with its support of these ‘Arab Springs’ that once these countries are unleashed that not surprisingly there may well be a turn by them towards what is sometimes termed ‘Islamic fundamentalism’. Cynically, on the US/UK’s part they have aided this process only with the intention to later crush them.

    Not dissimilarly the mass migration of Islamics into Europe is being deliberately pushed to create as much friction as possible and get everyone at each other’s throat so people will be motivated to go fight when WWIII comes about.

    One of the grossest things of all though was when the Christchurch massacre took place and seeing these various Euro leaders come out (in particular the Anglosphere ones) and claim compassion for Islamics, all while their countries are making war on Islam in the Middle East to destroy it.

    These ‘leaders’ for the most part don’t care about Islamics, or Europeans, or anyone, only themselves as individuals, and that’s about it.

    • Replies: @refl
  126. @Assad al-Islam

    White man speaks with forked tongue.

  127. Art says:

    Unraveling history is an interesting endeavor. But when it comes to the Jews – it has a very dark side.

    Clearly the Jew rabbinic is seeking power over humanity. Read the Talmud. The rabbinic have no empathy for humanity. Jew history is replete with killing and death. Israel is the prime example of their power seeking. It does not have one neighbor that it is not coercing.

    This very day the rabbinic is getting more fanatical about a new temple. Christians and Muslims will suffer.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

  128. @Assad al-islam

    Why don’t you write in Hebrew to make less mistakes?

  129. Talha says:
    @ploni almoni

    Indeed. Disunity in our ranks is one of the heights of ingratitude to our Mawla (Guardian Lord):
    “And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you – when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided.” (3:103)

    And He has every right to humiliate us at the hands of others until we remember our lesson and rectify ourselves.

    Peace.

  130. @onebornfree

    It is not that simple, is it?

  131. Art says:
    @Talha

    Without Arabia, there would be no Islam.

    That’s a given – that’s like saying without Jews, there would be no Christianity. We are talking about level/volume of contribution and nothing approaches the level of what the Persians did.

    Two points – the Persians were from Eastern Europe – and intellectually and philosophically Christianity is more Greek then Jewish. (Jesus lived in Alexandria.)

    Think Peace — Art

  132. Talha says:
    @ploni almoni

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com is another one of those dime-a-dozen Zionist propaganda sites you find everywhere. The easiest way to figure that out is to figure out their position on the “Palestinian” (they love to use those quotes) issue.

    Here they are arguing how Gaza is like some beautiful beach-front resort…those ungrateful Muzzies!:
    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/Life-in-Gaza.htm

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  133. @Laurent Guyénot

    you will know a tree by its fruits.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  134. The opening premise discredits the whole.

    Why plow through this when the Hebrew captivity in Egypt, the alleged Exodus never happened?

    In Alaska, we have 12,000 year old fleeting seasonal camps of a dozen people being unearthed by teenagers in college classes, analyzing their poop, the tools and detrius of their existence…

    And far less long ago, over a million people migrated and wandered 40 years eating magic food from the sky, and left no trace?

    It’s fiction for Christ’s sake, and in that time when almost nobody read or wrote, it was trivial controlling the narrative.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  135. Cleburne says:
    @kikz

    (((Sagan)))

    Sorry, couldn’t resist.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @kikz
  136. Cleburne says:
    @onebornfree

    Yeah, well, ya know… that’s just Mencken’s opinion, man.

    I’m always amused when “brights” like you (to use Dan Dennett’s ridiculous word) lob dear old HL (or George Carlin, the HL for lazy boomers) at believers. It’s about as intellectually compelling as farting in an elevator.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Seraphim
  137. Cleburne says:
    @Noman

    I wasn’t aware Zionist operatives were around in 30 AD. Can you provide a source for this?

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @anon
  138. Cleburne says:
    @Talha

    I’ve greatly enjoyed and learned from your comments here.

    • Replies: @Talha
  139. Talha says:
    @Cleburne

    My gratitude to you for taking the time to read them.

    Peace.

  140. @Cleburne

    The Book of Daniel; the Book of Ezekiel; Maccabees; etc etc. Also the Book of Revelations in the New Testament is a Zealot forgery. Ezra is a Zionist.

  141. @Noman

    And Noman is an honest man.

  142. @Laurent Guyénot

    Don’t get excited. They have disavowed their work only to write more stupid things. It is as obvious as the day is long that they knew what they were doing; serve Satan and he will reward you. In fact, if you serve Satan today, countless riches will be yours.

  143. Tsigantes says:
    @AaronB

    This is clearly your fantasy….as it is just as clear that you don’t live in Europe and know nothing about it. But please, dream on….

  144. @Talha

    If I remember correctly, the Koran mentions three prayers a day which would correspond to the practices of the Essenes and the Sabians. The fact that Islam actually has five is due to the result of Manichaean influence.

    • Replies: @Talha
  145. “If the bible is true then who is “us” which Yahweh speaks about in Genesis 3:22? Did he murder his brothers and sisters to become the only god?”

    No. There are generally three perspectives here.

    1. He is talking about himself and his angels — spiritual the knowledge of good and evil

    2. Some think he is speaking of the duality of being male and female

    3. aliens
    —————————————–
    To the article,

    I appreciated the discussion on Islam.

  146. Talha says:
    @ploni almoni

    It’s all outlined in the various hadith collections and including the sayings and actions of the Companions (ra) and (importantly for the Maliki school) the practice of the people of Madinah.

    I follow the Hanafi school in praxis which is basically derived from the specific opinions and teachings of the Companion, Ibn Mas’ud (ra) who settled in Kufa.

    Peace.

  147. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    They actually did not ‘disavowed’ their work, they just ‘distanced themselves from some of the book’s more speculative arguments’ but not from the main results of their research which remain valid:
    The historicity of Islamic sources on Islam’s beginnings has to be fundamentally questioned.
    Islam has deep roots in Judaism, and Arabs and Jews were allies.
    Not Mecca but a different place in north-west Arabia was the cradle of Islam.
    Of course their work “came under immediate attack, from Muslim and non-Muslim scholars alike, for its heavy reliance on ‘hostile sources’” (i.e. contemporary non-islamic sources in Muslim parlance), the default line of defense of Muslim ‘scholarship’.
    But the genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back.

    For a sketch of the stage of the research of debunking Islam you may consult:
    http://www.rootsofislamtruehistory.com/
    and in French:
    http://www.lemessieetsonprophete.com/
    Very useful for the ‘polemic’ is the book of Raymond Ibrahim, “Sword and Scimitar”. Also his blog https://www.raymondibrahim.com/

  148. Druid says:
    @Ali Ishmael

    Agree, I don’t believe in Torah, Talmud, Mishnah, kabala,or crapola, yet I veer towards Islam

  149. Tsigantes says:
    @Anonymous

    Please define ‘white’ and where this is located.

  150. @Assad al-islam

    If you had taken the time and read both my posts #57 and #62, that Becca (Mecca) is mentioned in the Quran,

    The point, as I understand, is that the Koran’s Beccas cannot be located in today’s Mecca. Maybe you should watch the video.

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  151. @Backwoods Bob

    Why plow through this when the Hebrew captivity in Egypt, the alleged Exodus never happened?

    Good question! I wondered myself, being convinced by the scholarship consensus that the Tanakh was compiled in Babylon during the exile. However, I do think very likely that the Exodus story is much older and carries the memory of ancient migrations of habirus from Arabia (habirus who may been used as forced laborers in Egypt before coming back to Midian). It is rather difficult to imagine that this story has no historical basis. The point is that Yahweh was not born in Babylon, and the Exodus story testities rather clearly its origin in Arabia, among Arabs craving for a piece of the Fertile Crescent, as they have always done.

  152. What an amazing article. Chapeau bas, Laurent Guyénot! The author has answered many questions and suspicions I’ve held for years. Mount Sinai in KSA’s Neom, a self-fulfilling prophecy!

  153. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    • Mulegino1: “Judaism is a false, rejectionist cult which postdates Christianity”
    • Christianity: “The Jew First!” (Romans 1:16)

    And don’t forget, “Christ, our ✡Passover✡ lamb, has been sacrificed,” as 1 Corinthians 5:7 states. Who else celebrates Passover but Jews and Jew-worshipers like you? Rabbi Jewsus is Jew, through and through.

    Stop outsourcing your salvation to the Middle East. If you imagine your “soul” need “saved” from something, find a good European to do it for you.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  154. @Laurent Guyénot

    The point, as I understand, is that the Koran’s Beccas cannot be located in today’s Mecca. Maybe you should watch the video.

    I didn’t think that you will be sooo thick. Becca is not inside Mecca nor is Yatrib inside Medina. Mecca used to be called, “Becca” just like Medina used to be called, “Yatrib”.

    Inside Becca (Mecca) are two hills called, “Safa and Marwa” where Lady Hajjar ran with Ismael from one hill (Safa) to the another hill (Marwa). She did this seven times looking for food and water. Both Safa and Marwa used to be outside the Kaaba. Muslims going to Hajj used to go from one hill to another for seven times as a ritual. Now Kaaba is grown and it encompass the two hills. Once, again the Quranic verse about Safa and Marwa:

    Sahih International : Quran Chapter 2, Verse 158

    Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah . So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs ‘umrah – there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good – then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing.

    I also gave a link to Wikipedia which expains the significance to the two hills called, “Safa and Marwa”.

    Be a good reader!

    BTW, the only human being buried in Kaaba is the so called, Slave Hajjar. Where her tomb is the area is narrow and small that one has to bow while going through this area from one side to another. While bowing to go through basically one is touching and kissing the tomb. What a honor for a so called, Slave. This honor belongs to women and not men.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  155. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cleburne

    At least Carlin or Mencken isn’t a Jew, like the Rabbi you worship. Your Jew-worship is nowhere near as intellectually compelling as farting in an elevator. The Jew Testament admits that you Jew-worshiping dupes who swallowed Jewish nonsense are ignoble and stupid.

    1 Corinthians 1.18-26 “For the message about the cross is nonsense…the nonsense of our preaching…Not many of you were wise by human standards…not many were noble…”

  156. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cleburne

    Zionism is all through the Jew Testament in the Holy Hook. Apparently, you’ve never read it.

    • Matthew 21:5 “Say to Daughter Zion, ‘See, your king comes to you.”
    • John 12:15 “Do not be afraid, Daughter Zion; see, your king is coming.”
    • Romans 9:33 “See, I lay in Zion a stone…”
    • Romans 11:26 “The deliverer will come from Zion…”
    • Hebrews 12:22 “Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.”
    • 1 Peter 2:6 “See, I lay a stone in Zion.”
    • Revelation 14:1 “Standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000.”

  157. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cleburne

    (((Jewsus)))

    Sorry, couldn’t help but notice you worship a filthy Rabbi who was quite popular among the Jews in the Synagogue of Satan.

    • He [Jewsus] taught regularly in their Synagogues and was praised by everyjew. Luke 4:15

    Can you find a White man to meet your salvation needs instead of some damned kike? Why are you outsourcing your most intimate needs to the Jews, anyway?

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  158. @Laurent Guyénot

    The point is that Yahweh was not born in Babylon,

    1. Where was Yahweh born?
    2. Who are its father and mother (BTW, Yahweh is a feminine noun, just like Eloh is a feminine noun too)?
    3. Did her parents name her Yahweh?
    4. Did she name herself Yahweh?
    5. What other names she contemplated before deciding on Yahweh?
    6. Did she call a meeting of elders to discuss her name and/or names.
    7. On and on, the questions are endless.

  159. @anon

    Yes! Try Scientology!

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @anon
  160. @Laurent Guyénot

    Fine. But tell me, what makes you think that God, or his angel, spoke to Muhammad? I’m interested.

    1. I am interested that what makes you think Yahweh spoke to Moses?
    2. Do/does Yahweh has vocal cords, tongue and so forth.
    3. Do/does Yahweh has sexual organs.
    4. Since Yahweh and Eloh are feminine, does she had/has female sexual organs?
    5. The questions are endless?

  161. @Ilya G Poimandres

    I agree, but will anyone peruse a sustained critique?

  162. @Laurent Guyénot

    I do think very likely that the Exodus story is much older and carries the memory of ancient migrations of habirus from Arabia (habirus who may been used as forced laborers in Egypt before coming back to Midian).

    No sir. Both Adam and Eve were created at the most 8,000 years ago, and “In Alaska, we have 12,000 year old fleeting seasonal camps of a dozen people being unearthed by teenagers in college classes, analyzing their poop, the tools and detrius of their existence…” is much older.

    A monk did take begat and begat from the Bible and arrived at about 8000.

  163. @Rabbitnexus

    And the Pope is infallible in matters of Faith and Morals.
    Why? Because a Pope said so, back in the 19th Century.
    Neat trick. Just like the Qur`an.

  164. @Laurent Guyénot

    The Exodus story is universal code. It is Ezra getting out of Babylon, but not to insult the Persians who are helping him, and who are still rulers, he calls it getting out of Egypt and exalts himself while building a new business. It is also getting out of Europe, where the Jews have suffered so much at the hands of the Russians, the French, the Germans, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Romans, the Italians, the Montenegrins, it is getting out of America which is Ghalut that destroys the Yiddish soul, it is Superman getting out of the planet Krypton before it explodes. It is Ahriman getting out of nowhere, finding a perfect creation of Ahura Mazda to destroy.

    And as for the Habiru, it was Abraham the War Lord getting out of Iraq when there was a drought and then attacking everyone else while paying 10 % tax to the Egyptian Tax Collector. And Abraham came out of Ur of the Chaldees, following the northern route.

    There is not just one evil in the world. His name is Legion, and he cannot be traced to one people, but to the nothingness from which he came.

  165. @Harbinger

    Wow! If you are a Westerner then I disparage those who claim that for the West it all lost.
    To your bold comment I can only add one word: AMEN. BTW maybe you can borrow something from Theodore Kaufman’s ” Germany Must Perish”.

  166. Seraphim says:
    @Cleburne

    Agreed that Mencken was an idiot.

  167. @ploni almoni

    Thank you for you substantial comment. You have a pretty consistent picture, and obviously much confidence in it: more than I have in mine, being always eager to learn. My short answers: Yes, I am Laurent Guyénot, and have not yet been kidnapped or brainwashed by Mossad. Regarding Moses, his existence is dubious, but I take the story as most probably founded on a historical tradition of a confederation of Arabian habirus trying to carve for themselves a piece of the Fertile Crescent; the idea that they had a leader is rather reasonable.
    About Assyria: I’ll have to do some research to check the dates, but I think it is common knowledge that Syria has always been coveted by both Egypt and Assyrians or Mesopotamians, and never fully independent. I don’t think your point is a valid criticism of my thesis.
    About the role of the Ebionites (or Nazarenes): that is a possibility, and I mentioned that thesis too. But I haven’t found convincing scholarship. Ebionites were Jews anyway.
    I cannot have the same confidence as you on the Koran’s authenticity as Muhammad’s “revelation” (not to mention that, having read it, I was appalled by its lack of spirituality and its repetitive call to kill the infidels and mecreans). Crone & Cook are not the only one to argue for its late edition.
    You say Docetism didn’t interfere with Islam. Maybe you are right. That is a minor point. But then, where does the Islamic idea that Jesus didn’t die on the cross come from? Not from the Ebionites, obviously.
    Regarding the Temple Mount, I think you are probably right. So what?
    The Khazar hypothesis may be right, but it is very uncertain, and is anyway irrelevant to my article.

  168. @Harbinger

    ” I am 100% polarly opposed to any form of democracy, whatsoever. Firstly democracy is the road to socialism which is the road to tyranny. No one should be under the control of authority of another, period, unless of course they give their consent. If they wish to be slaves to a tyrant and authoritarian system, that’s entirely their choice. The true life, of man is anarchy – without rule, rulers.”

    Wonderfully said. I have loved Michail Bakunin whom I consider not only the father of anarchism but one of the few true revolutionaries. No wonder his brief association with Carl Marx ended in outright hostility. Your assessment of democracy is spot on even though most Westerners and their imitators still believe in this farcical trend whose only purpose is to give legitimacy to the kleptocracy. Hitler put his finger on the wound when he claimed in his book Mein Kampf that the system of representative democracy caters to the worst of mankind, the so called politician whose careers are based on lying, deception, corruption, cowardice and opportunism. Contrast that with a rising China where Confucian meritocracy is the way to climb the ladder of power and one could sense how the Chinese are able to move forward with such a sense of purpose while our democratic societies are floundering economically and culturally.

    I would appreciate your take on Noam Chomsky claim of being an anarchist; does his actions speak louder than his words?

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  169. @Assad al-islam

    Mecca used to be called, “Becca”

    That is what is here under question: I think you are thicker than me:

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  170. @refl

    but I am quite sure that the Sunni/Shia divide only became such a deadly force rather recently and it certainly was a motive behind the assault on Irak that in that country the divide was not quite that extreme.

    Excellent Post, though I disagree with your above statement. Egypt used to be all Shia but by Sword there were converted to Sunni. Where as Iran used to be all Sunni and they voluntary become Shia.

    Islam was spread with Sword and this Sword throughout the 1500 years of Islam, didn’t spare any Shia. However, Christians were able to regroup and they came back with force, but the Shia couldn’t even complain to anybody. After the Iraq/Iran war of 7 years, Saddam with the help of surrounding Sunni States became very powerful. He stabbed back the same States by taking Kuwait.

    During Saddam’s reign the Shia were always mowed down. They were not allowed to practice their own religion. The father Bush, after the first Gulf war, he promised Shia, if they rise up against Saddam, USA will help them. They did, and they were again brutally mowed down by Saddam, while father Bush reneged on his promise.

    Now Shia are empowered in Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Lebanon, Bahrain, Kuwait and so forth. They are still being persecuted in KSA. The Hajj pilgrimage accommodates about 3.5 million and they had a stamped about 3 years ago, which killed about 2000 people. Now Shia are allowed to practice their religion in Iraq, and every year about 20 million pilgrimage go to Karbala, a small city. People all over Iraq, Syria and Kuwait walk to Karbala days in advanced. Iraqis are lined up both side of the streets, begging you to eat their food, drink their water, to stay in their house for the next day journey, giving you full body message or just foot message. Google it and you will be amazed, and all this is all recent and after the fall of Saddam.

    The very first time the Shia have the freedom of religion!

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    , @ploni almoni
  171. @Assad al-islam

    Do you really think I believe Yahweh spoke to Moses? Yahweh is a fiction, that is the starting point for any scholarly research. You are a hopeless reader: go back to the Koran.

  172. @Laurent Guyénot

    That is what is here under question: I think you are thicker than me:

    And, where do you think Safa and Marwa which in mentioned in the Quran?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  173. @refl

    Wahhabi sack of Karbala

    The Wahhabi sack of Karbala occurred on 21 April 1802 (1216 Hijri) (1801), under the rule of Abdul-Aziz bin Muhammad the second ruler of the First Saudi State. Approximately 12,000 Wahhabis from Najd attacked the city of Karbala. The attack coincided with the anniversary of Ghadir Khum event, or 10th Muharram.[2]:74

    Wahhabis killed 2,000–5,000 of the inhabitants and plundered the tomb of Husayn ibn Ali, grandson of Prophet Muhammad and son of Ali ibn Abi Talib, and destroyed its dome, seizing a large quantity of spoils, including gold, Persian carpets, money, pearls, and guns that had accumulated in the tomb, most of them donations. The attack lasted for eight hours, after which the Wahhabis left the city with more than 4,000 camels carrying their plunder.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala

    And,

    Among the most atrocious acts committed in modern Islamic history has been the sack of Karbala in 1802. Unfortunately, this remains a little known fact to most Muslims. However, at a time when the cultural and religious heritage of the Muslim world is once against under severe threat, when shrines and mosques are bulldozed by the self-styled holy warriors and caliphs of our time, it remains more essential than ever to familiarize ourselves with these historical events.

    https://ballandalus.wordpress.com/2014/08/02/the-wahhabi-sack-of-karbala-1802-a-d/

  174. @Assad al-islam

    I do believe in God, though, the unmanifested principle of all manifestation, but my God doesn’t speak. Sorry.

  175. Seraphim says:
    @ploni almoni

    He is doing Scatology! Scatophagy afects the brain, it is well known.

    • Replies: @anon
  176. @Laurent Guyénot

    Do you really think I believe Yahweh spoke to Moses? Yahweh is a fiction, that is the starting point for any scholarly research. You are a hopeless reader: go back to the Koran.

    Yahweh is fiction but Exodus is real. But there is no proof, there is only conjecture. What have you been smoking son!

  177. kikz says:
    @Cleburne

    i know..i’m no fan of them. to date… if i’d ever heard/read anything from him that even bent in that direction, i’d of withdrawn my fond regard.

  178. @Laurent Guyénot

    I do believe in God, though, the unmanifested principle of all manifestation, but my God doesn’t speak. Sorry.

    My God doesn’t speak either. It neither has body, shape, form, spirit….. He created Time, Space, Quran and everything you see around. She neither has a name, ilah which is the same word as eloh is feminine noun. And, allah is two words and it is not a name.

    A Creator cannot be creation. Shia are still murdered today by Sunni, because they consider Quran to be created.

    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    “Whether the Koran is of eternity?
    I don’t question that!…
    That it is the book of books
    I believe out of the muslim’s duty.”

  179. @Laurent Guyénot

    go back to the Koran.

    Thanks, I will:

    Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    Book of Parables: In the Koran with strange delight.
    IN the Koran with strange delight
    A peacock’s feather met my sight:
    Thou’rt welcome in this holy place,
    The highest prize on earth’s wide face!
    As in the stars of heaven, in thee,
    God’s greatness in the small we see;
    For he whose gaze whole worlds bath bless’d
    His eye hath even here impress’d,
    And the light down in beauty dress’d,
    So that e’en monarchs cannot hope
    In splendour with the bird to cope.
    Meekly enjoy thy happy lot,
    And so deserve that holy spot!

  180. @Laurent Guyénot

    I cannot have the same confidence as you on the Koran’s authenticity as Muhammad’s “revelation” (not to mention that, having read it, I was appalled by its lack of spirituality and its repetitive call to kill the infidels and mecreans).

    Hasbara Speak and Bullshit. If you are so truthful, then bring the relevant passages from the Quran.

  181. @Laurent Guyénot

    To Laurent Guyenot

    Thank You for your fabulous research on the topic of the JEWS ! It is most helpfull !
    I have myself studied this Tribe for 20 Years and I am in complete agreement on most things You say…. but not all .
    My inquiry started many years ago , when i was working in Saudi Arabia and had read a small introduction to Islam , published by the University of Cairo , the oldest university in Islam . The most interesting part was the part in short describing the Culture and Religions of the Bedouines BEFORE Muhammed.
    I immediately understood that the Jews were just another Bedouine tribe, albeit a powerfull one with some highly pathological traits and a religion bordering on a Psychosis. I was helped in this realisation by some revelations by people close to the Royal family who had been on a desert tour visiting old jewish dwellings , usually forbidden for all people without special permission… I worked in Rhiyadh at that time on a very peculiar Hospital and have treated several of the Royal Family some of which I even established a friendly relation with and was often invited to their homes , They trusted me .. which they could ..:) … and I never took any Bribe or sought any privilege … the standard ( and shamefull ) behaviour of most sc Expats in these parts of the World.
    My own investigations have primarily focused on the Financial and Trading part ie the Jewish machinations to amass that overwhelming Wealth of this Earth , which is the basis of their power and without which NOBODY would spare a second thought on this Tribe.. just like nobody , except Excentrics would spend much time speculating about the Arabs without their Oil riches. A part of the picture , which You have not focused on .. but a part which I think is essential in order to grasp the full substance of their being …
    If You read this, You will know my private E-mail address . I have tried to reach You in a more discreete way , but have not been successfull ..I would value to receive Your E mail in order to be able to communicate in private with such a learned and highly intelligent authority ..like You.
    I have researched HOW it could be that the Jewish Tribe succeeded in BUYING first England , subsequently UK and in extenso USA , their current PROXY Enforcers … like the pattern has been for this tribe as we can observe during all known history .. and i think I have reached a conclusion on this little known facet , which i even think i can prove … in spite of this legend being thouroughly burried … by Media and printing presses in foggy shrouds of Desinformation .. As said I would be gratefull for Your private E mail..in order to be able to ask questions ad hoc and discuss some of my theories .. Yours faithfull etc etc

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  182. Moi says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    One cannot convince anyone who does not believe in God that there is a God. “Belief” in God comes from both the rational self and from deep within one’s soul–i.e. left/right brain working in conjunction.

    Aside from that, this is why I believe/know the Quran was revealed to Muhammad:

    *Muhammad is referred to as the unlettered prophet. While that has more than one meaning other than not knowing how to read or write, the fact remains that Muhammad was not known to ever recite poetry or write anything of import. Yet the Quran is the standard for Arabic language/grammar.

    *Putting aside the bs from non-Muslims, there are no contradictions in the Quran despite the fact that it was revealed over a 23-year period. (How many people can remember what they said last week, last year or 10 years ago?)

    *Although it is not a book of numerology, numerologists have found some fascinating and remarkable things in the Quran (lots of Youtube videos on that).

    *I not aware of any other religious text of equal/comparable length as the Quran which has been and is memorized–word perfect–my probably a few thousand people, including very young children.

    *How is the Quran able to talk about things that were not known at the time? For example, it uses different words for “light” when referring to sun as a source of light and the moon as reflecting (the sun’s) light.

    *It talks of God having put a barrier between bodies of water so that even when these waters meet they do not mix–e.g. Mediterranean sea/Atlantic ocean.

    Thanks for your question. I would suggest you read (or watch some of his talks on Youtube) Dr. S.H. Nasr, probably the foremost living Muslim thinker and a recognized philosopher.

    I believe Dr. Nasr entered the physics program at MIT at the age of 16. Aside from his native Persian, he knows several other languages, including English, Latin, Greek, French and (i think) German.

    All the best!

  183. @Ibn Issam

    You’re all wrong – Jews (of whatever flavour, crypto- or otherwise), Muslims (Shia, Sunni, Salafi, Wahhabi, Sufi), and all of the gajillion flavours of the Jeebus torture-porn cult, all jointly baying at the wrong moon/s.

    All of the central events in the Qu’ran, the Torah, and the New Nonsense, unfolded at Hogwarts. FACT. (Or no further from fact, than all the bullshit about which you’re arguing).

    We all had quite the time of it, during the Hogwarts days. I remember this one time, Spider-Man got drunk, and he dared Bilbo Baggins to repeat what Baggins said about spiderwebs basically being arse-snot. Darth Vader and Wolverine were trying to out-do each other, telling tall tales in their best “Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven” voices, and Lois Griffin was having lesbo thoughts about Betty Rubble. Then that other fictional character did some other made-up shit.

    Maybe a hundred years from now some enterprising charlatan who wasn’t there, will write an authoritative-but-entirely-fabricated version of events, and gullible fuckwits will think it’s an insight into the things that they don’t understand about how the 7niverse works. In reality, we were all just trying to get laid (successfully,, for more than one of us – wink wink!)

    (The actual way the 7niverse works is pretty interesting: it involves steamed dim-sims, hippopotamus shit, and an understanding of conditional probability).

  184. Moi says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    No recognized expert (including non-Muslim expert) on the Quran has made the nonsensical statement that you’ve made.

  185. @AaronB

    Ok, so is it the case that if Jews degenerate down into something chauvinistic, it is always the fault of the individual? Are the passed down books never the cause? Wouldn’t celebrating the death of children, or the destruction of a whole tribe push some towards a superiority complex, and crime?

    How does the Jewish religion consider errors within it? It certainly isn’t the worship of high places like 3000 years ago – reform occurs with respect to the religion, self improvement. But has there been much reform with respect to the ideology? Not a line has ever been struck from the Talmud, even the ones that call for genocides of Gentile nations. Surely removing the directive to harm others is a necessary first step to have a universal religion.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  186. Yahweh was a minor god in the Canaanite religion; worshipped by the Canaanites long before any “Hebrew” did. The difference is that the “Hebrew” Yahweh is violent, revengeful and murderous.

    Ugarit and the Bible
    http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Doc6/

    The mythical story of Moses is plagiarized from the historical Akhenaten with a touch of Sargon of Akkad. Like Sargon, Moses was put in a basket in a river stream. Like Akhenaten, Moses rebelled against polytheism, received God’s word on a mount, wrote down God’s words on tablets, sojourned with his followers in the desert, crossed a sea (in reality the Sea of Reeds where a natural phenomenon involving heavy winds slip the water) to walk to a “Promised Land”.

    Moses and Akhenaten one and the same person
    https://grahamhancock.com/moses-akhenaten-same-person-osman/

    The invasion of the “Fertile Crescent” (aka Canaan) never happened:

    Also archaeological evidence contradicts the picture in Joshua. In the Ancient Near East, destroyed cities tended to be leveled, and then a new city would just be built on top of the ruins, and you would have these slowly rising mounds–each one of those is called a tell (so you may have heard of Tell Dor?). These are mounds which represent the successive layers of destroyed and rebuilt cities. And excavations will reveal the destruction layers under the floor of new cities.

    So following the biblical account, we would expect evidence of a thirteenth century destruction of Canaanite cities. And archaeologists for a long time were convinced that they would find these destruction layers. But they were disappointed.

    They have found really no evidence of extensive conquest and destruction in thirteenth and twelfth century archaeological layers. Some of the sites that are said to be destroyed by Joshua and the Israelites weren’t even occupied in this period, the late Bronze Age, beginning of the Iron Age; the Iron Age begins around 1200.

    Excavations at Jericho and Ai indicate that both of these towns were laid waste at least 200 years before the probable time of Joshua; so there weren’t even any walls in Jericho at the time of Joshua. Of 20 identifiable sites that were said to be conquered or captured by Joshua and the next generations, only two show destruction layers for this time, Hazor and Beth-el. And yet interestingly enough, Hazor’s capture described in Joshua is contradicted elsewhere in the Bible, because in Judges 4 and 5, it is still a Canaanite city. It is said there that it is still a Canaanite city and Joshua failed to take it.”

    Dr. Christine Hayes, “Introduction to the Old Testament”, Yale University

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    , @S
    , @Seraphim
  187. Violetta says:

    Excellent article.

    I recommand on the subject the first two chapters of the groundbreaking book by professors Patricia Crone and Michael Cook, Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World (available on archive.org).

    Highly recommended. Quite dense and scholarly, but the evidence for this article’s thesis is indeed
    astonishing.

  188. @Laurent Guyénot

    Day unto day uttereth speech
    Night unto night showeth knowledge

    If that were not so we would know nothing

    • Replies: @anon
  189. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    A half-wit Jew-worshiper like you accusing one of scatology and scatophagy is the epitome of psychological projection.

    “Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.”
    (Malachi 2:3)

    Jew worshipers always project.

  190. Talha says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I’m sorry, just a clarification; so your concept of God precludes the Divine attribute of speech and thus the capability of communication? Or your version of God chooses not to communicate?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  191. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @ploni almoni

    Whiskey is a cheaper method than either Jewsus-worship or Hubbard-worship to assuage mortality salience, and requires no embarrassing belief in an Arabian or Alien volcano deity. But even better than ethanol is a little humility.

  192. Talha says:
    @Harbinger

    I am 100% polarly opposed to any form of democracy, whatsoever.

    OK – well, I guess you’re consistent at least.

    Peace.

  193. Malla says:
    @OLAVLEIVAR

    I was wondering if you ever came across information/ rumours of secret pagan (Hindu Shiva) worship/ black magic among the Saudi ruling royal class.

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  194. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @ploni almoni

    > If that were not so

    Must you believe everything a Jewish storyteller writes?

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  195. @Laurent Guyénot

    My radar blinks red when I see that code word “scholarship consensus” applied to religious doctrine.

    Thank you for responding, but I spent a lot of time on early message boards with a mix of apologists and real scientists (linguists, archaeologists, historians, genetecists, etc.) and this was an instant “tell”.

    It is obvious the Hebrews copied from earlier source material in writing and practice.

    Before writing, oral history and cultural practices. Circumcision goes waaay back, Sub Equatorial Africa, and carried Out of Africa with the Australian Aborigenes in an earlier version of Homo Sapiens. Many tens of thousands of years old, at least.

    It is nearly tautological there is a “historical basis” for anything biblical. It floods everywhere, so there are universal flood stories. Slave-taking is ubiquitous worldwide for the entire span of human existence. Great migrations, pestilence, plague, etc.

    So in that sense sure, it is reasonable to look for proximate source material. But for me that begins by first being honest about what informs my thinking. I do not call religious doctrine “scholarship consensus”.

    Just as I would not call the red light district a Church community.

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  196. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harbinger

    > Christ was not a Jew.

    [MORE]

    • New International Version: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • New Living Translation: Salvation comes through the Jews.
    • English Standard Version: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • Berean Study Bible: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • Berean Literal Bible: Salvation is of the Jews.
    • New American Standard Bible: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • King James Bible: Salvation is of the Jews.
    • Christian Standard Bible: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • Good News Translation: It is from the Jews that salvation comes.
    • Holman Christian Standard Bible: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • International Standard Version: Salvation comes from the Jews.
    • NET Bible: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • New Heart English Bible: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • Aramaic Bible in Plain English: The Life is of the Jews.
    • GOD’S WORD® Translation: Salvation comes from the Jews.
    • New American Standard 1977: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • Jubilee Bible 2000: Saving health is of the Jews.
    • King James 2000 Bible: Salvation is of the Jews.
    • American King James Version: Salvation is of the Jews.
    • American Standard Version: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • Douay-Rheims Bible: Salvation is of the Jews.
    • Darby Bible Translation: Salvation is of the Jews.
    • English Revised Version: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • Webster’s Bible Translation: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • Weymouth New Testament: Salvation comes from the Jews.
    • World English Bible: Salvation is from the Jews.
    • Young’s Literal Translation: Salvation is of the Jews.

    SuperJewsus Worshipers (SJWs) always lie. But thanks for confirming that, in your observation, there is not a single honest translation of the Holy Hook available to the English Speaking Peoples. But we already knew that.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  197. Is there any evidence that Moses actually existed? Wasn’t the story of the baby found in the reeds the same as Sargon? One film shows a mountain with blackened peak. Really? The old testament is just a bunch of myths intermingled with historical events that may or may not have ever happened, but continually used for political reasons to control the herd.

  198. @Assad al-islam

    I have no idea, but I’m glad you start asking the right questions. Keep questionning, this is the way to freedom.

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  199. @Moi

    One cannot convince anyone who does not believe in God that there is a God.

    It’s funny, when I express doubt that God spoke to Muhammad, you think I’m stating that I don’t believe in God! Christians are like that too, as if there were two kinds of people: people who believe in God like you, and people who don’t believe in God. That’s extraordinary!
    Belief in a Creator is natural to man, as is the belief in a survival of the spirit after death. No need for a revelation!

    • Replies: @Moi
    , @AnonStarter
  200. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Fomenko is great at asking the good questions, but his answers are often … farfetched.
    Thanks for the link anyway. I’ll read it.

  201. @Laurent Guyénot

    Ebionites “were Jews” the way Christians “are Jews.” Docetism did “interfere” in the Koran. Docetism is a Christian Gnostic heresy, most notably in Marcionism. And the Lutheran theologian Adolf von Harnack thought that Marcion was the forerunner of Luther. He was certainly right about that. And from Marcionism it was a necessary cornerstone of any Gnostic doctrine of Jesus Christ. And so Docetism is a cornerstone of Manichaeism, which is where Islam got it. Manichaeism is a designer virus which attempted to infect all religions and in the beginning attempted right away to take over Christianity, as well as Zoroastrianism. What does Augustine have to say about Manichaeism? He was one, after all. And it did take over a number of Christian sects outright, such as the Bogomils, and the nunnery of the Port-Royal, and the Jansenists. It took over Buddhism in Afghanistan creating Lamaism in the process. You could sort of call it “a plot against civilization,” the way Augustin Berruel did in the French Revolution. Say, didn’t he describe the Illuminati? Well, there you have pure Dualists, like the American Revolutionaries, like George Washington, and certainly Thomas Jefferson. Or, if not them, then certainly that nut, Ethan Allen.

    As you know, the Catholics have always said that Martin Luther was a Manichaean. And he certainly was, or, if you prefer, “he was Jewish.” Because the essence of Judaism is Dualism, and the most refined Dualism is Manichaeism, or was, until Shabbatai Zevi and the Hassids came in and perfected Lurianic Kabbalah. One is the other and vice versa, in essence.

    As Manichaeism infiltrated Judaism as Kabbalah, so it infiltrated Islam as Sufism. But before it made a breakthrough within Islam as Sufism, via the Persian Manichaeans, at the time of Muhammad it was trying to impose itself upon the pagan Arabs who were ripe for a more sophisticated form of modern thinking. And Muhammad the Meccan (or, if you prefer, Beccan) Ebionite got involved in that struggle. He was successful in that it was Islam that took over the Arabs and not Manichaeism. But since Islam is a form of Gnosticism (secret doctrine and the man—or in the case of Mary Baker Eddy, the woman— who is the door to the truth and the life), Docetism and many other aspects of Manichaeism flowed into Islam anyway, the way Communism (a natural Manichaean social system) still flows into the Jews as neo-Trotskyites. (Remember, Communism has the Chosen, the Elect, the nomenklatura, and the masses are the proletariat, or beasts of burden, just as in the Talmud.) However, in Islam, the doctrine of Jesus is a special form of Docetism which says that Jesus, right now, is not dead and will return. You could call it a “provisional Docetism.” This aspect of Islam necessarily involves a large span of time to be accomplished. There is no resurrection, but there was no death either. There is, however, a return. Which will be spectacular.

    The moral of the story is that the natural form of religion, the natural form of thought, is Dualism, since it is natural for any man in the street, even the worthy contributors to UNZ, including the armies of Trolls, to think that Evil “exists” and therefore has an essence. So, for them, there is an Evil God. Remember Sartre? Existence precedes essence? What is Existentialism? All a reformer can hope to do is modify the thinking so that a person is not a complete Satanist. That is success. That is a vaccine. But all vaccines are effective for a while only, because the influenza comes back in new form every year. And all vaccines involve a mild form of the disease, don’t they?

    It was quite an achievement for Muhammad to avoid total takeover of the Arabs since Manichaeism was already the religion of the Iraqi Kingdom of nearby Hirah (today Kufa) and Afghanistan, the Uyghur Kingdoms in Mongolia, and had large followings in North Africa, and Spain, in Central Asia, and in China, with missionaries in Italy and Germany, and, of course, the Balkans. The Jewish academy of Sura that wrote the Talmud was located right smack in the center of Arabic/Aramaic speaking Manichaeism in Hirah which became the Shi`ite center of Kufah, naturally. Could the Talmudists, poor things, quarantine themselves? Or did they just go insane? Wherever the Manichaeans went in the Middle Ages they created Kibbutzes, because Communism is the natural social system of totalitarianism.

    Mani grew up in a “Jewish Christian sect,” the Elkhasites, a big Kibbutz in Iraq, in which he was not fully accepted because he had a club foot, since everyone knew that this club foot was the sign of the devil. Freud was ecstatic that Jacob limped after trying to kill the Angel. But since the Kibbutz practiced Mosaic Law and circumcision, you could say that Mani was Jewish. But since the basis of “Mosaic Law” is the Code of Hammurabi which was copyrighted by the Bible, you could also say he was just a Babylonian. He called himself a Babylonian, “a doctor from Babylon” but then he could just as easily have been Parthian. So, really, he was a rootless cosmopolitan, and even made India his first missionary trip, where he was, by the way, quite successful. Look at the Aga Khan. Everybody thought his ancestors were Jewish, but he also has Hindu Vishnuite followers. Did you know that `Ali is an incarnation of Vishnu? In any case, Mani left his original Kibbutz, in which he was an outcast anyway, to start his own business. But if Mani the Elkhasite and Muhammad the Ebionite were Jewish, you can also say that about the Pope, can’t you? After all, he wears a yarmulke, doesn’t he? So who does that leave?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  202. @Hiram of Tyre

    The conquest of Canaan never happened the way it is described in Joshua. That’s clear. But migrations of Semitic Arabs into Canaan happened all the time. And the biblical evidence for the origin of Yahweh in Midian is, I think, very strong: why would the Judeans and their god feel so attached to their Mount Horeb, if it didn’t come from there. I do think they brought their Yahweh with them from Arabia. I see no reason to believe they found him in Canaan.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  203. @anon

    No. But there is truth. And some know what it is. You don’t and never will.

  204. @anon

    When your parents come home they will give you a good spanking and wash your mouth out with soap.

    • Replies: @anon
  205. @Backwoods Bob

    I understand your reaction to “scholarly consensus”! But in the present case, you agree with it don’t you? I mean, the Tanakh being compiled in Babylone, probably in the Persian period (and some of it much later). For the rest, I struggle to follow your argument. What is your theory then? Jews appeared out of nowhere in Babylone, where they invented Yahweh, Moses, and the rest of it? For my part, I believe they invented much then (Joseph, for example, is the archetypal Jewish hero from that period, as is Esther), but not all. Don’t forget: they are good at Memory (not to be confused with history).

  206. @Talha

    Hum… I like to think that the philosophers had it right when they considered that is the unknowable, the Great mystery. The only think we can know is his Divine Wisdom, or his Logos, the platonic world of Ideas, etc. Surely some Islamic philosophers said the same. The notion that God speaks in a particular language, and does so to edict laws about how to eat, how to shit (Deuteronomy 23:14), not to fuck goats (Exodus 22:18), is an insult to man’s intelligence. So is the notion that he threatens to destroy unbelievers in his ridiculous laws. My next article will begin like this: “When Charles Baudelaire wrote in Paris Spleen, “The finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist,” he was wrong. The devil’s cleverest trick, rather, is to persuade you that he is God.” Don’t miss it!

  207. @ploni almoni

    the essence of Judaism is Dualism

    In my earlier article, I argued exactly the opposite: http://www.unz.com/article/israel-as-one-man/
    The essence of Judaism is materialism.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  208. AaronB says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Yes, Jews don’t do reformations – that’s a rationalist project. To think one can perfect a religion through reason is to kill it.

    Instead, we include all opinions and ideas in our sacred scriptures, often without deciding between them. “This and also this is the word of the living God”.

    There certainly is no commandment in the Talmud to kill the gentile nations – rather, the nations of the world are supposed to be blessed through us.

    And considering that Islam and Christianity derive from Judaism, I would say a considerable portion of mankind has been lifted out of pagan darkness through us.

    The Talmud also says that the reason we were exiled was to make converts – and I think the time is coming again when you poor European whites need to be lifted out of pagan darkness once again through us Jews.

    And we Jews will be there for you – you can join us by converting, or develop spiritually in some other way through us, as you have in the past.

    But it is obvious that on your own, you are not getting very far spiritually. Left to yourselves, you will just produce an endless stream of crude pagan materialists like Laurent Guyenot, Steve Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.

    You guys need an intervention 🙂

    And don’t feel so bad about your constant backsliding into crude pagan materialism – the Bible shows that we Jews have a tendency to do the exact same thing, and even in the modern world we have allowed ourselves to become corrupted by you.

  209. @AaronB

    And considering that Judaism derives from the Babylonians, the Egyptians, and the Canaanites, it is amazing that it has remained such a primitive, subjective, tribal superstition that no amount of reason has been able to cure.

  210. @Laurent Guyénot

    The essence of Dualism is materialism. If you believe that good and evil are gods, then, as Manichaeism says, the physical world is the two gods intertwined. If you believe that only the physical world is real, you naturally extrapolate two gods, dialectical materialism, or thesis and antithesis. What ever made you think that Dualism is spiritual? Did not Teilhard de Chardin advise Jesus to dive deep into the world of matter?

  211. @Moi

    1) “…Muhammad is referred to as the unlettered prophet. While that has more than one meaning other than not knowing how to read or write, the fact remains that Muhammad was not known to ever recite poetry or write anything of import. Yet the Quran is the standard for Arabic language/grammar…”

    The Arabic of the Qur’an became the standard language because it was believed to be “Allah’s Word”. You are reversing cause and effect. The Arabic of the Qur’an was simply the daily language of Muhammad’s time and place.

    There are however a lot of Aramaic and even Persian words in the Qur’an. For example the word qur’an comes from Aramaic qeryan-a. The word din (“religion”) comes from Avestan daena. For the 275 foreign words in the Qur’an, see : Lexical Borrowing in the Qur’an -OpenEdition Journal,

    2) “…Puttting aside the bs from non-Muslims, there are no contradictions in the Quran despite the fact that it was revealed over a 23-year period. (How many people can remember what they said last week, last year or 10 years ago?)…”

    For contradictions in the Qur’an, see : Contradictions in the Qur’an – CARM.org
    https://carm.org/contradictions-quran

    3) “…I not aware of any other religious text of equal/comparable length as the Quran which has been and is memorized–word perfect–my probably a few thousand people, including very young children…”

    That only proves that such a text is considered sacred. It does not prove that it is infallible. In India there are people who have memorized the Bhagavad Gita, a religious text of similar length.

    4) “…How is the Quran able to talk about things that were not known at the time? For example, it uses different words for “light” when referring to sun as a source of light and the moon as reflecting (the sun’s) light…”

    Wrong! See, Wikiislam : Scientific Errors in the Qur’an : 1.9 The Moon’s light.

    I don’t think these remarks will change your faith. You are a “true believer” and such people don’t change, no matter how much cognitive dissonance they are confronted with.

    • Replies: @Moi
  212. Talha says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I like to think that the philosophers had it right when they considered that is the unknowable, the Great mystery.

    OK – but that wasn’t really my question.

    The question I had was two part:
    1) Logical – if God precludes the attribute of speech/communication, then does this conform with the idea of perfection? For instance, is a mute person or one who is able to communicate in the more imperfect category?
    2) Axiomatic – if you say, yes He can communicate (as per the above), but He simply decides not to – well that just seems to be an axiomatic position to take (simply opinion), which is fine.

    Now, you might say – as you have – that in your opinion, He doesn’t tell people not to screw goats (I personally don’t see why not; since all sorts of humans have all sorts of proclivities to screw anything and everything*) – which is fine, but that simply is another opinion. That doesn’t really mean He doesn’t communicate, only that you haven’t found any evidence that He has communicated to your particular standards or expectations.

    If you say it’s all just a big mystery, I respect that – plenty of religions take that route with a lot of core doctrines.

    Peace.

    *See for instance:
    “‘Divine or monstrous love’: Alexandridis on bestiality in ancient Greek art”
    https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2011/09/annetta-alexandridis-lectures-bestiality

  213. Harbinger says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Yes, Bakunin had a lot to say on anarchy and naturally, when he realized what Marxism was all about and how it lied to the people, to seek total control over them, when he was trying to set them all free, it’s understandable why it was a brief relationship with Marx. Then again, Marx was clearly a deranged moron, a hypocrite of the highest order and hack journalist. I don’t even think he wrote what we are told he did.
    Kropotkin and Tolstoy were two other anarchists I enjoyed reading. Kropotkin with his anarcho communism, where people lived in communes and ruled their own lives was pretty much anarchy working with other people to a common goal, with no state to control them. I also found Lysander Spooner very interesting, especially (even though I am not American) his dissection of the American constitution proving it to be another piece of controlled authoritarianism. For example, people scream ‘liberty’ when few realize that liberty is granted ‘freedom’ BUT with restrictions. It comes from ship captains giving sailors the liberty to go ashore and enjoy themselves. I don’t want liberty. I want freedom.

    People are just utterly ignorant on democracy. Then again, they’re ignorant on most because they choose to watch TV, films, sport, listen to moronic popstars, unable to see they’re all being programmed.
    Hitler was a great man. He pulled Germany out of a living hell. He gave the German people hope. He pissed off 1% of the population, parasites and because of these evil bastards, Hitler is viewed as he is today, the ultimate evil, when the crimes of Stalin remain silent. And worse, Churchill was far more an evil bastard than Stalin. You find out, as you get older, everything you are told is good, is actually bad and everything done for right was in fact a great wrong. The sad thing is though that most people end up never realizing this, dying utterly ignorant and blissfully unaware they’ve been used and abused all their days by a system that hates them. I want to vomit when I see stupid English (and Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish) people wave their union Jacks while the Queen passes by, with her inbred brood in tow, waving at the proles and no doubt thinking _”God, how they repulse me.”_

    Finally, as for Noam Chomsky, do I think he’s an anarchist? Hell no! If anything Chomsky is a liberal, that is in the classic British sense, leaning to the left. I read a few of his books, before realising he’s just another of the controlled paradigm. Everyone would harp on and on about Chomsky, about how brilliant he was. When I realized that he remains silent on Judaism and Jewry and doesn’t blame Jews, one bit for the chaos in this world, it was clear to see he was just another Jew, playing good cop, bad cop. I try to avoid him as much as I can. Jordan Peterson seems to be taking over from Chomsky, another puppet of the Jews.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  214. @Laurent Guyénot

    Hum… I like to think that the philosophers had it right when they considered that is the unknowable, the Great mystery. The only think we can know is his Divine Wisdom, or his Logos, the platonic world of Ideas, etc. Surely some Islamic philosophers said the same.

    Not some philosophers but it is the belief of 300 million Shia from gitgo. This is what Imam Ali the first cousin of Mohammad and his son-in-law too wrote!

    He is a Being, but not through phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not in physical separation. He acts but without connotation of movements and instruments. He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence.

    Late Mohammad Ali was a Shia too and therefore he chose his name as Ali. Below is 1:36 min video of him, watch him at 54 min to the end of 1:36, explaining God does not speak:

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  215. Harbinger says:
    @anon

    It’s understandable why so many ‘Christians’ worship the Jews, because they’ve been utterly indoctrinated into thinking that Christ was one and would come back for his ‘flock’. The Jews, changed the word Judean, an inhabitant of Judea, with someone of the Jewish religion (Cabala & Talmud).
    And yes, there’s really no point in reading anything from KJV bible onwards. Most of it’s been changed. Put it this way, there’s a massive difference between “Jesus Christ King of the Jews” and “Jesus Christ King of the Judeans.”

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Tsigantes
  216. @Laurent Guyénot

    I have no idea, but I’m glad you start asking the right questions. Keep questionning, this is the way to freedom.

    LOL! I didn’t question you about Safa and Marwa, I gave you the Quranic proof that Becca is Mecca as the hills of Safa and Marwa are in Mecca (Becca).

  217. Moi says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Thanks. But I don’t waste my time arguing about this subject with non-Muslims. Bye!

    ps: but feel free to worship your man-god/god jr.

  218. refl says:
    @Assad al-islam

    I am reminded of the story, how my grandmother was forbidden to marry a catholic by her father in the 1920s, because some ancestors were expelled from imperial catholic Austria 250 years earlier for being protestants.
    Religious violence is a powerful force that resonates through the ages. Nontheless, Father Bush was taking Iraki Shias for a ride, when he promised to help them. It was always about divide and conquer (or rather even divide and destroy). I also wonder, how Sunni Muslims feel about the religious leadership that the Saudis have inflicted on them.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Assad al-islam
  219. refl says:
    @S

    Not dissimilarly the mass migration of Islamics into Europe is being deliberately pushed to create as much friction as possible

    Indeed, I am quite desperate to see how Muslims are being turned into the bogey man in Europe as we speak. The best and most honest talks I have had about the current development were with well integrated German Turks. I have met enough of them to know that integration never needed to be an issue, if these peoples’ efforts just were appreciated.

    But instead of relying on the positive examples that have been there for decades, newcomers are dumped into European societies in quantities, who have the word “terrorist” written plainly across their forehead. This is so stupid that it has to be deliberate. And the worst is that alternative media here is strictly pro Israel (probably it would be in trouble instantly, if it was not).
    You can see this as a longterm proyect of population engineering: 1) pump Jews out of Europe into the Middle East, 2) pump Muslims out of the Middle East into Europe. 3) Don’t let neither of them settle down in peace and accomodate themselves, lest they develop social consciousness and live at peace with their new neighbours.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  220. Moi says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Good to know you are a fellow theist. Yes, belief in God is innate in humans–the Quran actually says that. However, we do need revelation from prophets (and not just the OT/NT prophets) to give us some sense of who God is (The Throne Verse of Quran does this beautifully). Without revelation (whether this is from the Bible, Quran, Torah, the Vedas, etc.) we could wind up worshiping something that is not worthy of worship–such as fire, thunder, animals, another human, something ancient humans did. Also, revelation gives direction to a large number of human beings who might otherwise individually worship different gods–in other words, each having a personal god. The Arabs had many gods (more than 350 idols of god in the Kaaba), until Islam came and bound them in the worship of a single God. When all believe in the same god, there should be no reason to argue/fight–although it does not seem to have worked for a lot of Muslims 🙂

    Interestingly, almost all Muslims pray almost exactly the same way and recite the same two verses of the Quran. They would not be doing this unless Mohammad had shown them what and how to pray to God. Same with revelation–it binds people together.

    BTW, according to Islam, prophets have only been sent from time to time because humans are FORGETFUL of God.

    Peace, shalom and salaam

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  221. Talha says:
    @refl

    I also wonder, how Sunni Muslims feel about the religious leadership that the Saudis have inflicted on them.

    Sucks that they are in charge of the Haramain, but in all honesty, most Sunni Muslims don’t follow the rulings of Saudi (especially Wahhabi) scholars. Most of us are thinking along these lines:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  222. S says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    A bit OT. I’ve read some of your past entries regarding the British Empire which are intriguing.

    In that regard, if you’re not already familiar with the specific material, you might find the links below of some interest. Cheers!

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

    https://archive.org/details/politicalprophec00goeb/page/n3

    http://www.belcherfoundation.org/trilateral_governor.htm

    http://www.belcherfoundation.org/trilateral_center.htm

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  223. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harbinger

    Jew = Joo =Jood = Juden = Jude-ean. You’re desperately confabulating—from slight variances in spelling and pronunciation—differences in meaning where there are none, because you’re trying to weasel out of the plain fact that you worship a Jewish Rabbi character created by Jewish storytellers.

    And who gives a rat’s ass if Jewsus was a Judean or a Martian or Chinese and not a damned Jew? Isn’t Judea still a foreign land in the Middle East? Why are you outsourcing your spiritual needs to foreigners? Why can’t you find your spiritual needs from your own blood and soil, instead of somebody else’s?

    P.S. It’s OK to be White.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  224. @refl

    [Too much off-topic Shia/Sunni disputation. Stop this if you want your future comments published.]

  225. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @ploni almoni

    Spoken like a true middle-eastern cult fanatic who can contemplate nothing but violence when they lose an argument.

  226. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moi

    > belief in God is innate

    Same lame argument the faggots make: “I was born this way!”

    • Replies: @Moi
  227. But the Exodus story itself is much older and, apart from miracles and revelations, it has the ring of historical plausibility.

    It seems more plausible that the Moses and his Hebrews were expelled from Egypt in what was actually a second “exodus,” with one account suggesting Moses was a heretic Egyptian priest who was expelled with his followers for practising a strange, undesirable belief system.

    But Moses and his followers were not fleeing from an Egyptian army, rather they were were instead moving into territory already conquered by and occupied by the Egyptian army: It is even more plausible that Moses cut a deal with Thutmose III to resettle and pacify the Levant as a satellite state. This is supported by region-wide famine that strained the whole population of Egypt, Hebrews included, making re-settlement a worthwhile objective. Accounts that there were still 1m jews in Egypt centuries later and evidence of bidirectional traffic between Egypt and the Levant tend to support this alternative view.

  228. Moi says:
    @anon

    You know more about those dudes than I do. Bye!

    • Replies: @anon
  229. @Moi

    The throne verse (ayat al-kursi) is exactly a proof that Islam is an illusion. It is based on the illusory idea that “the universe” exists of a flat earth with a dome like heaven above it and “Allah” “sitting on his throne” “above in heaven”. Unfortunately the universe does not exist of “heaven-and-earth”, but of billions of galaxies, with billions of stars. Our earth in not important in this immense universe, and if there would be a “God” he certainly would not reside in the sky above our insignificant planet. Islamic cosmology is of the illusory “heaven-and-earth” kind. The flat disc of the earth is surrounded by a wall called Qaf, and “Allah” sits on his throne above in heaven. How childish. Here is that “throne verse” deluded Muslims still believe in :

    “…In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
    Allah! There is no God but He,
    the Living, the Self-subsisting, the Eternal.
    No slumber can seize Him, nor sleep.
    All things in heaven and earth are His.
    Who could intercede in His presence without His permission?
    He knows what appears in front of and behind His creatures.
    Nor can they encompass any knowledge of Him except what he wills.
    His throne extends over the heavens and the earth,
    and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them,
    for He is the Highest and Most Exalted…”

    The whole of Islam is based on this childish illusion.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Moi
  230. @AaronB

    /As far as I’m concerned, Europe and Arabia were Jewish for the past two millenia./

    I can certainly appreciate this perspective, particularly considering its source.

    I don’t wish to diminish the significance of your other statements, dear Aaron, though I’d like to point out what might not seem so obvious to most people about your first statement.

    You see, what the Children of Israel received from Moses was never called “Judaism.” Pragmatically, it was a religion, a means to submit oneself to God, and, as such, Islam by definition. The very term “Judaism” unavoidably connotes tribal primacy, whereas Islam denotes a way of life as ancient as Adam himself, one that inherently transcends time, space and tribal affiliation.

    Get on board, my man. What you want is pure submission to God, no personal or tribal intermediaries need apply.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  231. @AaronB

    How would you know what the religion of the indigenous Europeans was prior to the arrival of Christianity? All that was eradicated.

    What we do know is that the esoteric Euro tradition would have been some variation of Siberian shamanism, possibly with mystery rituals centered around ecstatic visions induced by the consumption of sacred mushrooms. This would put them in territory akin to the profound sense of the Divine as expressed by Harvard Divinity School students who consumed LSD in the early 1960’s.

    In other words, pre-Jewish/Christian Europe attained a far higher level of sacred wisdom than that achieved by volcano-worshipping goat herders. Face it, Jews are very primitive, low-minded people. To the extent that they can participate in higher culture at all, is exactly that to which they are genetically descended from Europeans.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @anon
    , @Seraphim
    , @AaronB
  232. @Laurent Guyénot

    /Belief in a Creator is natural to man/

    I would abridge this only slightly, exchanging the indefinite for a definite article.

    Belief in a multiplicity of “gods” isn’t as “natural” as it seems, particularly when one is quite sufficient for meeting one’s needs.

    /as is the belief in a survival of the spirit after death/

    Surely.

    /No need for a revelation!/

    Well, here’s a thought …

    If belief in The Creator is natural to man, then so is a desire to know Him. And why would The Creator of all that is leave that desire unfulfilled? And if it remains unconscionable that He would leave that desire unfulfilled, then He must make Himself known. And the best way to make Himself known is by the most magnificent — yet most terrifying — medium in His creation, which is man. Men are the most sublime of His creation by which He is known, though only the best of men reflect the light of The Creator.

    And other men, wanting to understand what God wants from them, look to these men, these Messengers of God, as exemplars of how to live respectfully in the eyes of their Creator. All of this is only natural.

    As is living by the Word that God sends down to His Messengers, what you call “revelation.”

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @anon
    , @Laurent Guyénot
  233. Not Hempher again! I stopped reading at that point. Who he?

  234. Harbinger says:
    @anon

    We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. Your opinion will not be swayed. It’s a lesson in futility trying to do so. Therefore nothing more need be written.

    • Replies: @anon
  235. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moi

    Yeah, you’re running like a pansy because you’d also assert that Muhammad was innately a child molester. “I was born this way!”

    • Troll: AnonStarter
  236. @Laurent Guyénot

    /The notion that God speaks in a particular language, and does so to edict laws about how to eat, how to shit (Deuteronomy 23:14), not to fuck goats (Exodus 22:18), is an insult to man’s intelligence./

    If God is The Creator of all that is, would He fail to provide us with any guidance as to how we should most wisely administer our affairs? When you speak of Divine Wisdom, would this not include such guidance?

    You cite only the most seemingly absurd examples, though whatever exists in creation is, quite obviously, the result of His will. Is it unreasonable to consider that dinner table etiquette, proper hygiene and avoiding depravity are part of that Divine Wisdom that may appear condescending to the contemporary ivory tower set, yet were not at all common sense to men who were, at the time of its revelation, hardly civilized?

    More insulting to man’s intelligence is the notion that God would create all that is, yet inexplicably create no objective, easily accessible means by which to be heard.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @ploni almoni
  237. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    revelation

    Yeah but revelation is quite inconvenient in that it doesn’t let me live my life as I want to and still claim “muh spirituality” while keeping God conveniently in the friend-zone – you know; “Don’t call me, bro – I’ll call you.”

    And revelation also seems to get in the way of the Poz, which is highly inconvenient for butt-sex enthusiasts that want to have public parades.

    So…you gotta look at it from other peoples’ perspectives too, walk a mile in their high-platform shoes, etc. – half empty, half full.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @anon
  238. @Assad al-islam

    Three hundred million Shi`ites only have one hundred brains: the Ayatollahs. And the one hundred Ayatollahs listen to one Marja at-Taqlid. So it comes down to one brain for the whole Shi`ite world. And that one brain cannot think for itself either; it is waiting for the return of the Twelfth Imam who went into the cellar of his house in Samarra in 864. Good luck.

  239. @AnonStarter

    Incidentally, you mean to cite Deuteronomy 23: 13, not 23: 14, and Exodus 22: 19, not 22: 18.

  240. Talha says:
    @ThreeCranes

    possibly with mystery rituals centered around ecstatic visions induced by the consumption of sacred mushrooms.

    Peppered with sacrificing people (usually slaves are volunteered for this kind of thing) for large penis statues for a good harvest:
    “Close to one hundred stone phalluses have been found in Norway. They are symbolic representations of the penis, representing male potency and fertility. Animal and human sacrifices made to a symbolic phallus were thought to ensure a successful new crop among people, animals and nature.
    http://sciencenordic.com/stone-phalluses-and-ancient-fertility-cults

    “The broken, battered bones of children, teenagers and women discovered at the newly excavated ‘German Stonehenge’ may be evidence of ancient human sacrifice, a new study finds. Archaeologists found the fractured skulls and rib bones buried in pits alongside axes, drinking vessels, butchered animal bones and querns (stone mills) at an archaeology site near Pömmelte, a village in Germany about 85 miles (136 kilometers) southwest of Berlin.”
    https://www.livescience.com/62939-german-stonehenge-human-sacrifices.html

    “Viking graves in Norway contain a grisly tribute: slaves who were beheaded and buried along with their masters, new research suggests.”
    https://www.livescience.com/40792-viking-slaves-sacrified-burial.html

    Also, from the previous post (in case you missed it):
    “‘Divine or monstrous love’: Alexandridis on bestiality in ancient Greek art”
    https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2011/09/annetta-alexandridis-lectures-bestiality

    Just sayin’…I mean the speculation you are engaging is great (I’d like to think the Vikings were all sea-faring, weed-toking hippies), but evidence can be inconvenient.

    Just a hint on what the pagans in the Americas were up to:
    “Exclusive: Ancient Mass Child Sacrifice May Be World’s Largest
    More than 140 children were ritually killed in a single event in Peru more than 500 years ago. What could possibly have been the reason?”
    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/04/mass-child-human-animal-sacrifice-peru-chimu-science/

    Furthermore, there is the very real fact that – as an organizing principle with purpose and something one is willing to give one’s life for (as opposed to something one is willing to sacrifice some hapless bound slave for) – monotheism literally kicks the crap out of paganism:
    Otherwise, Europe simply would have remained pagan and those giant church spires might instead be huge phallus structures where they would be pushing off slaves to their death in order to appease the deity in charge of better cell-phone coverage. Who knows…just speculating.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @ThreeCranes
  241. @Talha

    /So…you gotta look at it from other peoples’ perspectives too/

    Should ownership of property remained undetermined between two parties, it is removed from the custody of both and held in that of a third party.

    And that is where faith goes when one allows contention for it: beyond the grasp of its owner and into hands other than God’s.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  242. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    Since our Creator is bacteria, who reproduce by fission and not sexually, gender oriented pronouns are not appropriate.

    > Men are the most sublime

    You’re joking, right? The Jew-worship cult you belong to specifically states not many of its dupes are noble or exalted. And doesn’t the Jew Testament say “We were by nature objects of wrath.” Oops, you’re talking out your ass as far as your officially recognized cult beliefs are concerned. Besides, whales are a much more sublime species, by several metrics.

    > All of this is only natural.

    “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 2:14) “Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature.” (Colossians 3:5) “Your original evil nature.” (Ephesians 4:22) Your middle-eastern human sacrifice cult (1 Corinthians 5:7) is a revolt against nature.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  243. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    > And revelation also seems to get in the way of the Poz

    Evidently not, the Middle-Eastern revelator Paul penned a ribald innuendo using a play on words about how Useful a slave-boy was to both himself and his Master He-Who-Kisses. No doubt it was the same sort of pederastic relationship as between Rabbi Jewsus and his boyish lover John. Catholic priests receive their corn-holing perversion straight from the Middle-eastern founders of their cult.

    Get a semen-arian at a semen-ary drunk enough some evening to admit it.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  244. The story of Moses was first made up by the priests of ha-Shem in 621 and was based upon Sargon of Akkad. (You know, the child of a priestess sent down the Euphrates in a reed boat and picked up by a gardener. The child who became King.) The Levite priests knew they had a hillbilly religion without anyone who gone up to heaven to get some written documents from God. So they had to play catch up to the real Semites. But their work was interrupted because they could not get along with other people, and those classic Antisemites, the Babylonians, destroyed the Temple of Solomon in 587 BC, and took the gang leaders away to Babylon so they could not cause more trouble. About 40 years later, Cyrus the Persian conquered Babylon in 539 BC and let the trouble makers go back. (That became, you know. the forty years in the desert.) Well, as they say, no good deed goes unpunished so now the Persians have to get what they deserve for letting the Jews go back. First was Zerubbabel who went back to Jerusalem in 516 BC and opened up another temple and hired a poor-white Levite as High Priest to slaughter the animals. This priest was named Joshua.
    Ezra, who was born 100 years later, too late to be the first to lead people back to the promised land, picked up the story of Moses where Deuteronomy left off. Ezra loved to read novels. He loved Egyptian and Assyrian novels. And Ezra took the hero of an Egyptian novel named Sinuhe, from the year 2000 BC and adapted his story to the first draft of Moses in Deuteronomy.

    Sinuhe the Egyptian was obliged to run away from Egypt and went to the Arabs of, Canaan, or Midian, and married the daughter of the Arab Chieftain. He fathered tribes. He killed a giant and cut off his head with the giant’s axe. This part of the story of Sinuhe was already used in the story of David, wasn’t it? In the end, Sinuhe went back to his homeland, Egypt, in honor.

    In the story of Sinuhe, which is in various museums, Sinuhe said: “I am a bull in a strange herd.” So Ezra, who loved novels, copies of which survived from the library of Assurbanipal, had Moses say: “I am a stranger in a strange land” And Moses named his son Gershom, which means “stranger.” And by golly, who did Ezra have reclaim the promised land? Why Joshua, who was the High Priest of Zerubbabel. And how many years did the Jews spend in the desert? Why forty, about the same time they stayed in Babylon. And Moses led the people, about a million or so, away from the crematoriums in Egypt, just like Ezra led a hundred or so back from Babylon in 398 BC, and that with the protection of the Persian army.
    And because the Jews of Jerusalem during the Assyrian period lost faith in ha-Shem as a loser, they turned to other gods to see if they were better. Manassah the King brought in the mother goddess Asherah. This period Ezra cleverly allegorized as the Jews worshiping the golden calf while Moses was away on business, busy getting the paperwork done and copying other novels and revelations.

    Ezra identified with Sinuhe, the hero of his novel, in more ways than one. But since Moses was a new invention, of whom there was not trace, Ezra had to have Moses die alone, and God did not want anyone to know where Moses died. No. Nobody. And that is why nobody had ever heard of Moses before. And Moses’ two sons? Well they went away with the Ten Lost Tribes, so there are no descendants of Moses around, except those who are behind the rainbow and the river Sambatyon.

    But the descendants of Ezra are the the Rabbis, the Farsis, who were in like Flynn with the Persians. And now they run the show since there is no temple for the moment.

    Now, just before the evil Antisemite Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem in 587 BC, there was a “tophet” where the Jews, the light of the nations, used to immolate children. But then the Persians came to power in Babylon, and everything changed. The Persians did not even sacrifice dumb animals, not to mention dumb goyim, so the Jews had to be on their good behavior, and if they continued to sacrifice children they did it in secret.

    The Torah of Ezra is a roman a clef, because he really liked the novels in Assurbanipal’s library. In fact Ezra said Assurbanipal the Assyrian was the “great and mighty.” But the Torah is really transparent. If you know the keys anyway. The real mystery is where the ten lost tribes went? South America? Mars? Brooklyn?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  245. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    > All that was eradicated.

    Not hardly. For example, today you honor the Nordic God of War on Teu’s Day, and tomorrow you’ll honor the name of God-Gott-Godin-Wodin-Woden-Wotan on Woden’s Day. You need Red Iced.

    Indigenous European Spirituality Encoded in the Folk Tradition
    https://redice.tv/news/indigenous-european-spirituality-encoded-in-the-folk-tradition

    Myths & Forgotten Traditions of the Winter Solstice
    https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/myths-and-forgotten-traditions-of-the-winter-solstice

  246. Talha says:
    @anon

    pederastic relationship

    Ok, but how is your contention any different than what was already going on in Europe?
    https://www.amazon.com/Images-Ancient-Greek-Pederasty-Classical/dp/0415564042

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  247. Anounder says:
    @Talha

    There is no religion alive that when properly placed within Globohomo can escape modernity’s degeneration. Even if Muslims have high retention rates within countries they migrate to, Islam for them has far more of a racial/ethnic element (see the Nation of Islam) with Islam being treated more or less as a way to “rebel” against Whitey/White Men. Too many Muslims in Globohomoland are scripturally trash.

    • Replies: @Talha
  248. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Alhamdulillah!!! Maybe the Saudis found out she is an Ash’ari in creed…

    “What! Can’t let those mushriks on Saudi soil! We have standards!!!”

    Wa salaam.

  249. Iranian says:
    @AaronB

    You misunderstand the message of Gita, Aaron. (As you must, per your indoctrination.)

    Lord Krishna tells Arjuna to pierce the veils of illusion so that he may fulfill his highest purpose. As you would have it, the piercing is “the instrument”. (That, in continuation of our parenthetical hints to you, dear Aaron, identifies “the illusion” of a “duality” of “an (ethno-centric) Gentile and Lettered creation” via the symetric operator “instrument” as a ‘transition’ to Higher Consciousness of Humanity.)

    As to Judaism and its “spiritual” roots, of course one merely needs to review “Jewish” “spirituality” before and after contact with Yahweh’s very own “Messiah”, Cyrus the Persian.

    Shalom!

    • Replies: @AaronB
  250. Talha says:
    @Anounder

    Too many Muslims in Globohomoland are scripturally trash.

    100% agree – and as I’ve mentioned before; most of our apostates go full on Poz. We are definitely having a tough slog with globo-homo in the West. We’re just doing better relative to others; cannot tell you how many churches I pass by regularly that have a rainbow flag up or on their marquee…very sad.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
  251. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Monotheism literally kicks the crap out of paganism, just like Globohomo literally kicks the crap out of traditional societies.

    Just because it happens doesn’t mean it’s all good. Why are you the sort who glibly goes along with whatever fad is winning at the moment?

    • Replies: @Talha
  252. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    So much for your assertion that make-believe cults from the middle east deter perversion.

    • Replies: @Talha
  253. Talha says:
    @anon

    I don’t, else I’d be cheering on globo-homo and liberalism.

    Peace.

  254. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harbinger

    True, my opinion isn’t swayed by your silly attempts to un-Jew a Rabbi who taught in Synagogues and celebrated Passover. Your stupid games fool no one.

    In order for Jesus to be extricated from his Jewishness…

    Behold! The Jewish Jesus: It’s time Christians faced up to the fact that Jesus was Jewish to the core
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/09/christianity-judaism

    But you still have yet to address the fact that you’re outsourcing your spirituality to a foreign people, even if Jesus wasn’t a Jew but some nonsensical non-Jude “Judean” from the Middle East. Who gives a rat’s ass what he was? He was a foreigner, not of your kind.

    Why can’t you find what spirituality you need from your own blood and soil? You’re worse than a coal-burning slut.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  255. @anon

    /You’re joking, right?/

    Not at all.

    Surely, we created man of the best stature. Then, we reduced him to the lowest of the low, save those who keep faith and do good, and theirs is a reward unfailing. [95: 4-6]

    Man’s nature is dual, bearing the capacity both for good or evil. That he bears the capacity for the latter does not imply that his goodness is anything less than sublime.

    And assuming that I consider Saul of Tarsus to be a Messenger of God would make it appear as if you, not me, are the one “talking out of your ass.” Much as I marvel at the miraculous engineering of whales, I haven’t found a single pod of them, however marvelous, to be capable of providing us with electricity, indoor plumbing, internal combustion engines, agriculture, irrigation, insulated, climate-controlled domiciles, refrigeration, navigation technology and the likeness thereof. Perhaps you’re a Luddite, which I can respect, but do us all a favor and stop pretending that whales bear a greater capacity for good than does man. It just makes you look insipid.

    As do your quotes from the “New Testament,” at least two of which qualify the subject “nature” as “worldly” or “evil,” thereby undermining your own argument.

    But what’s to be expected of someone who imagines that all we behold in existence is the mere byproduct of random interaction among deaf, dumb, and blind bacteria?

    • Replies: @anon
  256. RudyM says:
    @AaronB

    It’s sad for me to realize I used to sometimes take your comments seriously.

  257. Seraphim says:
    @ThreeCranes

    One can hardly say that the hemp fumes inhaling shamans of the hunter-gatherers’ and head-hunters’ pre-Christian ‘Europe’ (which in the minds of the ‘whites’ is the foggy part of the westernmost part of the ‘World Island’ – the prolongation of Siberia) had much to do with the ‘higher culture’ and higher levels of wisdom which, like it or not, emerged around the volcanic belt of the Eastern Mediterranean and beyond (up to the Pacific). In actual fact, that region was Europe (whose name came from a Phoenician Princess as we know).
    Vulcan/Hephaistos, the god of the blacksmiths, metalworking, carpenters, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors, metallurgy, fire, elements of the ‘higher culture’, was born in the Olympus. And the ‘profound sense of Divine’ and ‘beatitude’ was induced by consumption of wine!
    Now, Moses was already trained in the ‘wisdom’ of the Egyptians when he was called by ‘I am who I am’ and spoke to him ‘face to face, as a man speaks with his friend’, first on the ‘Mountain of God Horeb’ (in the ‘burning bush which was not consumed by the fire’) and after in the Tabernacle. Elijah too went to the Mountain of God Horeb (and possibly St. Paul during his three years stay in Arabia – no doubt at Petra).
    The antique Arabia was what became in Hellenistic-Roman times the Kingdom of the Nabataeans (Petra) and the Province of Arabia Petraea which included the Hedjaz and was always in the sphere of the ‘Hellenistic’ high culture as Midian was in the sphere of the Egyptian ‘high culture’. But that’s the region, saturated with Jews and Judeo-Christians (Nazarenes) where Islam was concocted, not Yemen (which was Christian at the time of Mahomed), nor the deserts roamed by the Bedouins.

  258. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Hell yeah, I fly it too. The rainbow flag has new meaning, racial segregation by color, under the motto “A Safe Place for Every Race!” Honk Honk!

    More here:
    https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/210580194/

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  259. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    Man’s alleged “dual” nature does not follow from the capacity both for good or evil. That makes no more sense than saying man’s nature is “dual” because he has both rods and cones in his eyes. You’re still trying to insert your bullshit middle-eastern make-believe Jew-worship cult into reality, via a non-sequitur.

    When are you going to stop worshiping Jews and considering these foreigners as “messengers of God?” When are you going to look for your spiritual identity among your own blood and soil? You’re worse than a coal-burning slut.

  260. @Talha

    possibly with mystery rituals”

    may be evidence”

    “new research suggests

    May Be World’s Largest”

    So, you find mass graves and you immediately assume that the dead were victims of a pagan religious sacrifice?

    They couldn’t have been arch enemies? Or the offspring of a rival clan?

    Always with you simple-minded clones of simple minded clones, everything ancient is of religious significance. Nothing for these intensely practical people, who were able to wrest a living in the most immediate relationship with an unforgiving and harsh Nature, is ever of merely a pragmatic purpose in your assessment.

    Come down from your Ivory Tower. Try living their lifestyle and see how far you get when you let your thinking be as dominated by fantasy as you project their’s to have been. Maybe, with a little real world experience, you will learn to sing a different tune.

    In reality, I don’t expect you to put your ignorance to the test as you’re too meek and cowardly.

    • Replies: @Talha
  261. Seraphim says:
    @ploni almoni

    Indeed it was not ‘God’ who spoke to Mahomed, but a jinn, a demon. The fruit is the religion of ‘Submission’ of the world to the demonic rule.

  262. Talha says:
    @anon

    They do. Did you see Medieval Christians make any public art about diddling little boys’ junk?

    Maybe they were doing it, but at least they were being private about it and there was an issue of being ashamed in public.

    I mean you would agree that there’s a difference between some guy screwing his dog in the confines of his basement versus a guy who makes a video of it and posts it on YouTube, right? Can we at least agree there?

    Peace.

  263. Talha says:
    @ThreeCranes

    So apparently you did not read the articles that state why the archaeologists came to those conclusions rather than these being due to war or famine or other such things.

    Look, I get you want to have an idealistic view of “muh paganism” and that’s fine if you want to simply dismiss the findings and conclusions of multiple, independent research teams – to each his own.

    you’re too meek and cowardly.

    Look, I enjoy ad hominem as much as the next guy, but be a little more creative – put some thought into it. Mention goats and cousins and foreskin mutilation and stuff.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  264. Talha says:
    @anon

    Dude, honestly – if you guys can get them to drop the rainbow flag by getting it associated with Nazism in the public sphere, that would be epic trolling at galactic levels!!! More power to you!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  265. Seraphim says:

    Now, for a fresh look at the apparently intractable questions of the veracity of the Biblical history, it would be worth reading the books of Joseph Davidovits:

    2015 “The secrets of Joseph the Patriarch” (eBook), ed. Geopolymer Institute (Institut Géopolymère), Saint-Quentin, ISBN: 9782951482067
    2015 “The Secrets of the Solomon Temple” (eBook), ed. Geopolymer Institute (Institut Géopolymère), Saint-Quentin, ISBN: 9782954453101
    2015 “The Secrets of the Merneptah-Israel Stele” (eBook), ed. Geopolymer Institute (Institut Géopolymère), Saint-Quentin, ISBN: 9782951482074
    2015 “The Secrets of Moses and Exodus” (eBook), ed. Geopolymer Institute (Institut Géopolymère), Saint-Quentin, ISBN: 9782951482081

    2009 “Why the Pharaohs built the Pyramids with fake stones” (in hard cover and eBook), ed. Geopolymer Institute (Institut Géopolymère), Saint-Quentin, ISBN: 9782951482043
    2008 “They built the Pyramids”, ed. Geopolymer Institute (Institut Géopolymère), Saint-Quentin, ISBN: 2-9514820-2-7
    1988 “The Pyramids, an enigma solved”, ed. Hippocrene Books, New York, ISBN 0-87052-559-X, used book
    1984 “The book of stone”, Vol. 2: Joseph and Solomon, ed. Institute for Applied Archaeological Science, Miami, Fl., ISBN 2-902933-10-X
    1983 “The book of stone, Vol. 1: alchemy and pyramids”, ed. Geopolymer Institute, Saint-Quentin, ISBN 2-902933-09-6 used book

    They are all in French also, so it would be a bonus for Mr. Gueyenot.
    Newest one: “Bâtir les Pyramides sans Pierres ni Esclaves? La science défie les égyptologues, Editions Jean-Cyrille Godefroy, Paris, 2017, en librairie, Amazon, FNAC et autres.

    The conclusion would upset the cohorts of ‘Bible High Criticism’ professors, skeptics, agnostics, atheists, ‘white’ pagans, etc:
    “La Bible avait raison/The Bible was right”!

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
    , @anon
  266. @anon

    Middle-Eastern revelator Paul

    [inserts icon depicting men with brown, curly hair]

  267. Violetta says:
    @AaronB

    A jew admonishing others regarding true religion – quite funny and entertaining. Carry on!

  268. @Talha

    Greeks are European now?

    • Replies: @Talha
  269. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Ha! I actually think Islam is a better word than religion 🙂 I agree.

    Perhaps, then, we can say that I practice the Islam of the Jewish tribe.

    I agree that there should be no intermediaries between us and God, and that true religion – and what I crave – is simple submission to the Most High.

    However, Judaism does not see itself itself as merely the religion of one tribe – rather, people born Jews have a spiritual head start.

    However, everyone is invited to join this lineage through conversion, if he wishes to serve God on a high level.

    Structurally, this is similar to Islam and Christianity – some people are born into these religions, and have a head start. This corresponds to people who are born Jews, and thus have a head start. This is the tribal element, so to speak.

    So all three religions have a so called “ethnic” element, in a manner of speaking, a “birth” element.

    In a sense, God “chose” the Arabs through Mohammed, a particular ethny, but everyone else was invited to join. Buddhism arose among the Indians – so that ethny was “chosen” to be the source from which the message spreads.

    And in all three religions, those who are unfortunate not to be born into the fold have the chance to take the extra step of joining it.

    Finally, while all three religions accept that good people outside the religion can have a share of heaven and will be rewarded (although many forms of Christianity sadly deny this), the highest levels of spirituality are only possible within the religion.

    This is where all the talk about Jewish souls being different than non Jewish souls comes in – a non Jew who converts, acquires a Jewish soul. So too, a born Muslim can be said to have a spiritual head start, that others may acquire by joining.

    Buddhism also believes that the highest levels of spirituality can only be attained within its practices, and a person born a Buddhist obviously starts from a position of advantage.

    So all religions must have this “particularism”, this “select elite”, and in all cases a fortunate group will acquire this by birth.

    This seems to be the deep structure of religion – a spiritual elite, partly determined by birth, but open to all. Universalism within particularism, so to speak.

    So it would seem we cannot get rid of the “birth” element – it is inescapable.

    So it just “starts” with the Jews – but then, all religion must “start” somewhere. Islam started with the Arabs.

    Judaism is a pre-modern phenomenon – that means that boundaries do not have the sharp distinctions characteristic of Enlightenment thinking.

    So the “lineage” of Israel is as much spiritual as it is physical – the two concepts are not separated. Abraham was chosen to be ancestor of a people with a special relationship to God, so this may seem entirely physical.

    But Abraham was chosen because he was alone found spiritually worthy, so it was as much a spiritual lineage, that all could join.

    It just “started” with Abraham.

    Now, part of the confusion has come from the decline in Jewish efforts at proselytizing, which made the religion seem merely ethnic. But in the ancient world, among pagans, Jews heavily proselytized.

    It was only after the rise of Islam and Christianity that these efforts declined, partly because we were no longer dealing with spiritually inferior pagans, and partly because Jewish efforts would not be viewed favorably.

    And, my friend, let us take a lesson from the collapse of religion in Western Europe by overstressing the universal element and forgetting the particular element – their spirituality became too thin and stretched out, less insistent on itself and more accepting of everyone else, till it saw no reason to continue existing at all.

    As for Northern Europeans, its not that Jews must be their intermediaries to God – it is simply that their lineage is spiritually weak, by reason of their ancestors.

    I think history shows that Europeans struggle with spirituality – they have many splendid qualities, but they struggle to maintain a relationship to God, the numinous, and the transcendent, and tend to collapse into crude materialism.

    Judaism believes there was an age in which the nations spiritual “lineages” were established, based on the virtuous character of national ancestors – and that descendents of these lineages will have an easier or harder time establishing a stable relationship with God.

    So they simply need help – God does not abandoning them, and Jews are not intermediaries.

    Finally, I am gratified and appreciate your attempt to convert me 🙂

    And I consider Muslims “fellow travelers” spiritually.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  270. @ploni almoni

    I admit that’s a possibility, worth exploring. There are even wilder theories, such as dating the whole thing around the 6th or 7th century AD. It doesn’t change any of the arguments of my articles, whose purpose is not to clarify such historical datings, but to explore the essence of the Tanakh as a program of world domination and, incidentally, to show that Christianity and Islam are more a part of the problem than a part of the solution.

  271. AaronB says:
    @Iranian

    Correct, my friend, but what about the fact that Hinduism sees all spiritual striving as essentially futile and part of the illusion?

    In other words, the great problem in Indian religion can be described as “correct perception” – action does not actually have real value. It changes nothing.

    Arjuna does not actually kill anyone. There is no one, really, to kill.

    This some what takes the drama out of the drama of life, does it not?

    Now, I would agree that correct perception – seeing the divine everywhere, even in rocks, and seeing humanity’s fundamental underlying connection – is crucially important to the religious life.

    But piercing the veil of illusion of senseless material world without divinity is only the beginning of the drama of religious life, so to speak – then comes the great task of mankind, union with God through his efforts to accord with His will.

    That is the pith and marrow of the religious drama.

    I admit, though, that in practice at the highest levels, some Hindus act as if their religious is much more than mere correct vision, and more actual union.

  272. @AaronB

    I agree religion can’t be perfected through reason, but I think it is a necessary first step, before talk of any religion!

    I follow Dhamma personally, and https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.061.than.html as well as Nagarjuna (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://promienie.net/images/dharma/books/nagarjuna_mulamadhyamakakarika.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiN3_qj16PjAhWGN8AKHce5Bk4QFjABegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw1_Vg2MhsJ45IVq1p_oX_G2) is enough for me to not consider the Metaphysical of any value whatsoever, beyond being a thicket of views through which people – wishing to abandon this world for the next – abandon this world nihilistically, but remain in it practically.

    3 “He abused me, he beat me,
    he defeated me, he robbed me”,
    in those who harbour such thoughts,
    hatred is not appeased.”

    4 “He abused me, he beat me,
    he defeated me, he robbed me”,
    in those who do not harbour such thoughts,
    hatred is appeased.

    , of the Dhammapada is enough for me to avoid Judaism as well, because it simply does not carve out hate in any linear way that I can see.

    All faith that places value in a metaphysical is to me is rooted in the ritualistic and cultic, since such things are not verifiable in the here and now, which is the beauty of the Tathagata’s message.

    All faith that declares a metaphysical is also pagan in my mind, whether that as expressed at its heigh in Islam’s tahlil, or even the Tao’s Mahayanaism. In this respect, only those following Dhamma (and not even ‘Buddhists’, because they commit Avodah Zarah by going to refuge to him first, and not the Dhamma as he asked) are not pagan in my mind, and practice religion without ideology or ritual, as I defined above.

    I don’t agree that ‘pagan is bad’. Pagan metaphysics is just another metaphysics, and what is truly bad in religion is desire to harm, and desire to deceive, as well as any continuation of ritual, in thought, word, or action! At the core of religious morality, there is only non-harm and non-deceit, and everything else follows.

    The crux of the issue is in the above link. I wish I could see in Judaic religion something like https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/pi-tv-bu-vb-pj3

    ‘If a monk intentionally kills a human being or seeks an instrument of death for him or praises death or incites someone to die, saying, “Good man, what’s the point of this wretched and difficult life? Death is better for you than life!”— thinking and intending thus, if he praises death in various ways or incites someone to die— he too is expelled and not in communion.’”

    But I read Deuteronomy, or Leviticus, and I get the opposite. And to say ‘our words and thoughts are unredacted’ is ok – so long as they do not need to be redacted. In the thousands of pages of the tripitaka, there is not one incitation to violence, harm, or vengeance. To believe that the plain meaning must be overlayed with an esoteric and mystical one to get away from the harm espoused by the Torah, is for me to be asked to believe black is white and white is black.

    Personally I think Judaism should take a note out of Islam – which states in a hadith that if the Ummah is 100% in agreement, it can even remove a page of the Quran – and get all the rabbis of the world to go through the Torah and Talmud, line by line, and vote on whether to keep them or not, with only 100% agreement garnering redaction, and following the principle of non-harm, non-deceit, and equanimity (over indifference). Otherwise, whatever the benefits the religion brings to its practitioners, will be weighed down by its ‘history’.

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    , @Talha
  273. AaronB says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I do not understand this goat herder thing. What’s wrong with goats? Their milk makes great cheese.

    Is it the herding? Shepherding always seemed like an idyllic vocation to me, rife with opportunities for spiritual contemplation.

    From a spiritual perspective, it does not surprise that goat herders would attain a high spiritual level. I would expect it from exactly this class of people. And shepherds of sheep, too, of course.

    And the Greeks and Romans also saw the shepherding life as spiritually idyllic.

    My friend, this is not the first time Europe has collapsed into materialism – the late ancient world also suffered from a sterile rationalism, whose highest point was Stoicism, which imagine a world bereft of divine immanence.

    So Europeans struggle to keep a sense of the numinous in clear focus, and need assistance.

    Europeans have many splendid qualities – beauty, intelligence, ingenuity – but they come from a weak spiritual lineage.

    There is no shame in admitting what you don’t have – and for most of history, Europe accepted this with good grace, and got its spirituality from the Jews, and in part from the Greeks.

    That you can no longer accept your need of spiritual assistance shows insecurity that is characteristic of decadence and will impede your recovery.

    And to be honest, most Jews also cannot keep to the spiritual to any great extent – there is merely a “righteous element”. So we are not so very different from you.

  274. @AnonStarter

    I understand you think it is a good idea for God to give some explicit advice, laws, punishments, threats, in Arabic, but that doesn’t prove He/She/It/They did. Again, the question is: what makes you believe God spoke to Mohammed (or Moses for that matter), apart from wishful thinking? Where is the evidence?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AnonStarter
  275. @Harbinger

    Thank you for this elaborate response.

    You are definitely one of the few special commentators whom I perceive to possess a wide grasp of issues with respect to history and the current zeitgeist in a way that truly qualifies you as a leader who could indicate to the sheeple the way out of the matrix of control.

    Your assessment of many historical leaders defies what we were taught at our corrupt and totally subdued educational system to the PTB.

    I look forward to reading more of your comments which should help me explores new venues towards true freedom. Many thanks for the many tips you have mentioned such as Kropotkin and Lysander Spooner whom I intend to explore.

    Cheers to freedom.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  276. @Talha

    Talha,

    This article published recently and the comments it generated may interest you:

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2019/07/a-note-on-the-islamic-question/

  277. A dizzying array of a potent and likely lethal mix of historical conjecture, religious backwardness, identity politics and territorial expansionism. Perfect fodder for empty minds. Meanwhile, let the killings continue. Happy to have bid farewell to religion and all its associated bullshit decades ago.

  278. AaronB says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    I have great respect for Nagarjuna, who I studied

    And yes, the highest level of analysis is beyond metaphysics or thought. In Judaism too, at the highest level God is defined as fundamentally unknowable and unthinkable, as beyond the reach of any metaphysical speculation – this point is actually stressed quite often.

    And while we must always keep this central mystery in our minds, we live in a world of phenomena and thoughts, and metaphysical thinking functions as a bridge between our plane and the unknowable mystery – for beings rooted in the particular as we are, this bridge is needed, although it too should never be taken quite literally and should retain an essentially mythical and mysterious character.

    You will note that Buddhism ultimately could not live without a rather lavish metaphysics, which it developed in great profusion – without ever losing sight of the ultimate reality beyond metaphysics.

    So it too utilized this device.

    You ate no doubt aware of the principle of non-duality? Stated simply, it is the idea that everything appears as a pair. It is not monism – which establishes a duality.

    The very fact that the Absolute has an unknowable dimension, means it must have its opposite and pair – a personal aspect capable of coming into relation with humans.

    By focusing entirely on the unknowable aspect of the Absolute, one establishes a duality – which is why Buddhism ultimately developed a host of helping Buddha’s and millions of Buddha lands, and a set of rituals and devotional practices.

    Buddha himself acquired a metaphysical deity like character in Mahayana – as a bridge figure between man and the Absolute.

    Finally, in Pure Land, a branch of the Mahayana and the one with the most adherents in the Far East, Buddhism became a religion with a saviour God, like Western religions.

    This startling fact might give you pause.

    Getting rid of the ego is, in the end, impossible through our own efforts, and Buddhism finally understood its early mistake – that trying to get rid of ego alone only increases pride. Only by service to a higher power, a God, through submission and devotion, can one even begin to reduce the ego.

    So Pure Land was, in a sense, a true development of Buddhism.

    I would submit that your version of Buddhism is a Western simplification – the modern West has focused on the abstract, impersonal, and philosophical aspect of Buddhism because this is a reflection of the modern mind.

    As for Judaism, the vision of the Prophets is no less lofty than the Buddha – however, Judaism is more anchored in the realities of human life on this earth, human emotion, and human struggle.

    The cruelty and violence of the bible reflects our world, but the ultimate vision is beyond that. The bible, also, has always been regarded by Jews as a vast allegory with layers upon layers of meaning – the literal meaning often the least significant.

    The spiritual vision of Judaism also stresses mans importance and the real – not illusory – significance of his spiritual striving, and it sees the material world as in some sense real but in need of being spiritually transfigured, and an effective method of reducing ego by submission to and service to a higher power, and an involvement of the whole man in his totality – mind, emotions, body.

    There is much that is beautiful and grand in Buddhism, but it is incomplete and one sided, in the end.

    I feel you are too concerned with being ‘rational’ – and so produce a simplified Buddhism that misses out on the most fascinating dimensions of the spiritual life.

    As for removing parts of the tradition, it is unnecessary because our sacred documents are not read the way you think – each viewpoint, even the most objectionable, stands as a record of a particular attitude expressed in a particular place and time, and thus has some validity . It is not meant as a simple binding and literal statement nor need it shape attitudes today. It needs to be interpreted in the context of the whole.

    This goes back to non-duality, or the both/and attitude – to choose one side only is not the spiritual path, it chops up and separates the fundamental unity of the world. In this world, everything has some level of validity.

    This is a well established principle in Buddhism, but for a long time Buddhism did not develop its full implications, and Buddhism was one sided.

  279. AaronB says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Kierkegaard called it a “leap of faith”. Athanasius iirc said I believe because it is absurd.

    It is existential. What is required is a fundamentally different mode of being – that one must “leap into”.

    It’s a transformed way of being that one must choose, not think oneself into. It is a foreign country for the modern mind, utterly against everything we have been taught.

    Asking for reasons functions as a clue to ones current existential mode of being.

    To someone operating from another mode of being, reasons trivialize belief.

    This is what the modern materialist European cannot understand – and the source of his spiritual death.

    Faith vs reason. While faith can be, up to a point, abetted by reason, in the end must make the leap – or not.

    Greece vs Judaea. Talking about it merely shows where one stands.

  280. @Hossein

    “If you really want to know what the Shiat little emperors and their desciples have done then you should take a trip to your dreamland of Shiism and see the racism, the cultural and economical assault on the helpless ethnic monrities and their dreadful treatment by the racist Persian regime that you are so proud of.”

    As someone who is quite acquainted with the Middle East and Iran, I would like to bring to your attention that the Jewish as well as the Christian communities in Iran are practising their religions in full freedom with their synagogues and churches displaying publicly the Star of David and the cross. True, any non Muslim engaging in preaching apostasy in Iran will find himself in big trouble. Not perfect freedom but compared with religious liberties in some of the countries of Arabia, the Iranian Mullahs seem like amazing libertarians. Contrast this state of affairs with what Daesh did to one of the oldest Christian communities in Iraq and then you would realise that he who lives in glass houses does not throw stones.

  281. Anounder says:
    @onebornfree

    All that babble is no surprise from a lolberterian/anarchnigg/liberal. Rousseau, Hobbes, the Founding Fathers, all placing faith in man’s atomized wisdom rather than in what limits him (God, as some call that).

    • Replies: @anon
  282. Talha says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Last time I checked my geography. What about Rome; would you like me to post up the relevant images of Roman pederasty in art?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  283. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    > ‘white’

    Is white in scare quotes because you imagine being white is a genetic defect?

    The irony is that the ‘white’ people ar [sic] actually blacks discolored. It is a genetical [sic] defect which affects their brain too, whence their limited capacity of comprehension of the world surrounding them.

    Seraphim
    October 23, 2018

  284. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anounder

    You’re equivocating, Jew-worshiper. By God, you actually mean the Jewish volcano deity Yahweh, who is on record as hating Gad-Gawd-God-Gott-Gotin-Godin-Odin-Woden-Wotan.

    “But you who forsake Yahweh, who forget my holy mountain, who prepare a table for Gad-Gawd-God…” Isaiah 65:11

    Now stop taking God’s name in vain.

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  285. anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    “Reasons trivialize belief” reminds me of Bernie Madoff, who wanted everybody to make a leap of faith in his Make-Believe finance. You Jews are always at some scam or another.

  286. @AaronB

    I actually think that the religion of Judaism and Dhamma have a lot in common, but I would say mostly the same for Islam, and to a lesser degree Christianity, and other religions striving for self improvement.

    However the belief in Absolutes is not one of them – I follow Dhamma according to the Buddhavacana of the tripitaka, and the Buddha’s starting point is a categorical epistemological determination to only allocate to truth what can be accessed through direct observation – Dhamma is verifiable in the here and now. The Kalama sutta and https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.027.than.html are a scientific method, plain and simple. In this respect, the Buddha and Nagarjuna preempted Rovelli’s relational interpretation of quantum mechanics by millennia. https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9609002

    Nibbana, the unconditioned element, is not dualistic, nor not dualistic, not both, not neither. It is as if though is the x axis, and nibbana lies along the y axis. It is not quite an Absolute though. The Buddha said that the Absolute is unreachable because it is unverifiable directly, and therefore should not be a concern at all – like worrying about your not as yet conceived sister’s senility. Plato’s Parmenides says the same thing about the necessarily categorical separation of One and Man.

    https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/mn22

    “Bhikkhus, you may well acquire that possession that is permanent, everlasting, eternal, not subject to change, and that might endure as long as eternity. But do you see any such possession, bhikkhus?”—“No, venerable sir.”—“Good, bhikkhus. I too do not see any possession that is permanent, everlasting, eternal, not subject to change, and that might endure as long as eternity.”

    The unconditioned element is what other faiths strive for as well, but misinterpret through, imo, Avodah Zarah – calling it Absolute, Soul, or God. But even this unconditioned element is ‘not I, not mine, not Self’ https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.001.than.html

    It is just not this impermanent dualistic experience.

    “There is, bhikkhus, that base where there is no earth, no water, no fire, no air; no base consisting of the infinity of space, no base consisting of the infinity of consciousness, no base consisting of nothingness, no base consisting of neither-perception-nor-non-perception; neither this world nor another world nor both; neither sun nor moon. Here, bhikkhus, I say there is no coming, no going, no staying, no deceasing, no uprising. Not fixed, not movable, it has no support. Just this is the end of suffering.” Ud 8.1

    To the Buddha, the permanent Self – Atman or Brahman – was just an inaccuracy, no thing more. Akin to how Galillean relativity and Newtonian Mechanics are less accurate in describing the world of motion than Einstein’s general relativity. And here the inaccuracies also arise because of Galillean notions of Absolute Time and Absolute Space, as compared to Einstein’s relative time and relative space.

    Which is why in MN22 he clearly states:

    “And how is the bhikkhu a noble one whose banner is lowered, whose burden is lowered, who is unfettered? Here a bhikkhu has abandoned the conceit ‘I am,’ has cut it off at the root …so that it is no longer subject to future arising. That is how the bhikkhu is a noble one whose banner is lowered, whose burden is lowered, who is unfettered.

    “Bhikkhus, when the gods with Indra, with Brahmā and with Pajāpati seek a bhikkhu who is thus liberated in mind, they do not find anything of which they could say: ‘The consciousness of one thus gone is supported by this.’ Why is that? One thus gone, I say, is untraceable here and now.

    “So saying, bhikkhus, so proclaiming, I have been baselessly, vainly, falsely, and wrongly misrepresented by some recluses and brahmins thus: ‘The recluse Gotama is one who leads astray; he teaches the annihilation, the destruction, the extermination of an existing being.’ As I am not, as I do not proclaim, so have I been baselessly, vainly, falsely, and wrongly misrepres ented by some recluses and brahmins thus: ‘The recluse Gotama is one who leads astray; he teaches the annihilation, the destruction, the extermination of an existing being.’”

    The issue is not the destruction of an actually existing ego, but a correction of a psychological misinterpretation that there is an actually existing ego. Once that goes, all that remains is the unconditioned element – because ego, and the desire for ego, is the root condition for this dualistic experience.

    I think Mahayana quickly reverted back to Hinduistic paganism (metaphysics), which is why Dhamma died out in India – why replace what you have with what you already have? Not all of it – Zen casts an excellent reflection on the teachings – but the shades of Absolutes such as Buddhagharba were far from what the Buddha talked about.

    For the most part, the boddhisattva goal of becoming a Buddha in a future arising should be one for the lay people of the faith, and the aim for cessation and nibbana, one for the monks!

    I have gone through a year long tumble with respect to the Jewish faith, but like with all thought, I start from +ive, hit -ive, and am now bouncing back to the centre! My aim is now to consider the Jewish religion aside from its ideology. Certainly there are more religious Jews proportionately than there are religious Christians, and there are no religious Atheists imo since that is just an ideology, so you make sense when you say the Jewish faith is stronger in spirituality. I am certainly looking for pointers to what are seen as interesting sides of the religion, because tackling sefaria.org by myself is pretty daunting now!

    And keeping all the opinions is justifiable, but in a faith where there is no intermediary between Man and God, this leads to collateral damage (hence the relatively more present Sunni violence compared to Shia’s relative calmness – although the Ibadis are an interesting other side of the dice!). And in a faith that does not believe in the possibility of the full perfection of the individual in the here and now (which nibbana can be approximated as), such collateral damage is acceptable – after all, it is human to be imperfect, so why work against it? To a Dhamma follower it is not.

    As a question, would you consider chosenness to incline the Jewish individual to forge a golden calf of themselves, or their faith as a whole? If not, what purpose does it serve for self improvement or abandonment of ego?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  287. @AaronB

    With this leap-of-faith method (also called the “believe-because-it-is-absurd” method), how do I know I leap into the truth? What if I leap into flat earth, or ETs created mankind, or darwinism?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  288. @anon

    @Seraphim

    “…The irony is that the ‘white’ people ar [sic] actually blacks discolored. It is a genetical [sic] defect which affects their brain too, whence their limited capacity of comprehension of the world surrounding them…”

    Read Charles Murray Human Accomplishment and see how little Blacks have contributed to human progress (practically nothing) and how much Whites (practically everything). The lighter skinned races (Caucasoids and Mongoloids) evolved in the colder regions of the earth, which selected for higher intelligence in order to survive. The darker races (Negroids and Australoids) evolved in the hotter regions of the earth, which didn’t select for higher intelligence. Higher intelligence is also always connected with higher impulse control. Nature (or “God”) is racist. Sorry.

  289. @Talha

    SNL Transcripts: … 10/22/88: Vote Bush III

    [ show each President’s head encircled over a North European country ]

    Announcer: Franklin Delano Roosevelt was of white northern European heritage.

    Thomas Jefferson was of white northern European heritage.

    John F. Kennedy was of white northern European heritage.

    George Herbert Walker Bush is of white northern European heritage.
    [ show Dukakis’ encircled just above the Mediterranean Sea ]

    But Michael Dukakis?

    Bush. He’s whiter.

    • Replies: @Talha
  290. I have great respect for most of Laurent Guyénot’s work. But in this article he has been misled by cranks. Patricia Crone ignores the voluminous and credible Islamic sources in favor of a handful of scattered asides from non-Islamic sources, i.e. sources that had no idea what was really going on in the world of Islam. That would be like analyzing the history and culture of the US without using any American sources. (“We can’t trust the Americans to be honest about their own history, so we will only use the dozen or so sources we can find that originate from the island of Zanzibar.”)

    99+% of Islamic Studies scholars agree that Crone is nuts, and that Islam was essentially revealed “in the full light of history.” (Just as most American Studies scholars agree that the American Revolution happened in the late 18th century, not in the 16th as a couple of Zanzibarian sources suggest.)

    As for the Qur’an, it is the most anti-Yahwistic document of all time. It demolishes the Jews’ deceptive claim that their tribal god Yahweh is the one true universal God. It insists that we must treat all people equally and justly, without any favoritism on the basis of tribal or even familial loyalties. It demolishes the rabbinical priesthood, and indeed all priesthoods. It corrects the stories of the Torah to illustrate their real moral and ethical lessons. (For example, the Torah’s distorted story of Joseph makes its hero a swindler and usurer who hoards grain to starve the people into submission and bankruptcy—a perfect role model for the Rothschilds; while the Qur’an’s Yusuf is pure, spotless, saintly, absolutely morally upright, and stores the grain to feed and take care of the people, without any consideration of his own power or position, but instead out of complete reliance on and submission to the one and only universal God.)

    The Qur’an heaps scorn on those Jews (the majority, unfortunately) who persecuted and killed the prophets and distorted their histories in such a way as to promote the self interest of the Jewish elites. Among them were the Jewish tribes of Yathrib/Medina, who treasonously conspired to annihilate the Prophet Muhammad and the Muslim community to which they had sworn allegiance.

    The Qur’an condemns usury in the most extreme terms. This may be the reason why the banking elites orchestrated the 9/11 PR op to launch a permanent war on Islam.

    The Qur’an says that Muslims will find that the people closest to them in love and affection are Christians; while their worst enemies will be Jews and pagans. (5:82). Among those “Jews and pagans” will be the [Jews and Christians] i.e. the Judeo-Christians warned against in 5:51. Those Judeo-Christians are basically the nominal Christians who have been unduly influenced by the Torah or “Old Testament” which they erroneously accept as correct scripture, to the point of becoming Jews in drag. Most contemporary American Christians, especially the Protestants and Evangelicals, fit this description.

    The Saudi rulers are mostly pagans (possibly crypto-Jewish ones) not Muslims. They are interested only in the powers and pleasures of this world, and have no concern for their fate in the next world. This concentration on the material world at the expense of the eternal spiritual world is a hallmark of Judaism. Islam, even more so than Christianity, takes the opposite approach, insisting that life is a moral and spiritual test, and that we will be rewarded in eternity with absolute justice according to our earthly deeds. Islam’s focus on the development of the spirit (ruh) is evident in the five-times-daily salat meditation on God and ritual submission to Him, as well as in the Ramadan fast. Fasting is the best way to learn what it is like to live on as a consciousness without a body, which you are going to learn one way or another when you die—a terrible, shocking experience (“eternal hellfire”) if you die as a greedy egotistical worldly soul, but a paradise for those who have lived justly and practiced for death by praying, fasting, and meditating.

    Finally, and perhaps most importantly in these end times, the Qur’an insists that Jesus, son of Mary, is the one and only true Messiah; and it eloquently defends him against the horrific Jewish calumnies. Today, the world is split between those working to put a worldly Antichrist on the throne in occupied Jerusalem, and those fighting the Antichrist on behalf of Jesus and the reign of the spirit he will inaugurate. The Muslims make up the bulk of Jesus’s army, such as it is.

    In short, in this article Laurent is making the same basic mistake that so many Jews have made: confusing God with Satan.

  291. Talha says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    if the Ummah is 100% in agreement, it can even remove a page of the Quran

    Hmmm…this is a very interesting proposition. It may be indeed a theoretical possibility, but two things need to be kept in mind:
    1) Every page of the Quran is there due to consensus; the 7 variant readings (some of which contain textual differences that are not found in any printed copy) are mass transmitted and agreed upon by consensus.
    2) Can consensus of a prior community (especially like that of the Companions [ra]) ever be overturned by a later community?

    Interesting question to ponder, I’m sure the scholars of usul (foundational principles) have discussed it.

    What you are suggesting for Judaism would likely require a reconstitution of the Sanhedrin – at least from my limited understanding.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  292. @anon

    Your writing exhibits many markers of mental illness. But I am sure sincere prayer would help. So if someone wanted to reach the darkness of your brain he would have to go to insane asylums to preach before the invention of the UNZ report. That is why Jesus went to synagogues to cure the mad. But so the dear readers in Bedlam know, the Passover that Jesus celebrated was not the ersatz “Passover” of Ezra’s Exodus, but the original pesakh, meaning “compassion” that represented the replacement of human sacrifice, in the symbolic shape of Abraham’s son by a ram. The Paschal lamb is still commemorated in the yearly Eid al-Kabir which ends the pilgrimage to Mecca which, of course Muhammad changed to Mecca from Jerusalem in order to “tame” the pagan Quraysh as the Koran says. As Jesus said: John the Baptist came eating locusts and honey and they said “He has a demon.” I came eating with tax collectors and going to wedding parties and they call me a glutton.”

  293. Talha says:
    @Talha

    For the record, my view on the original religion of the various European people is not that it was pagan. This is something that the research of the German linguist/anthropologist, Wilhelm Schmidt, pointed out; that practically all primitive or aboriginal people started out with a very simple monotheistic faith.

    This is also what the Qur’an states when it mentions every nation or people were sent a prophet and that the Semites do not have a monopoly on Divine guidance. The Europeans were no exception to this. There is no reason to believe that blond, blue/green eyed (or even ginger) prophets didn’t walk this earth – and from an Islamic perspective, they are as much a part of our heritage and deserve our love and respect as any other prophets). Unfortunately, religions tend to corrupt towards paganism and it may simply be that the monotheistic message was lost over time. Just as how the pagan Arabs had originally started as monotheistic and Islam came as a reminder and to bring things full circle.

    I remember having and interesting conversation with someone on UNZ a while back where he posited that a figure like Wodan/Wotan/Odin may have been a Divinely sent messenger, but that his original message was lost and that he became deified…certainly a possibility.

    Peace.

  294. AaronB says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    You don’t – life is played for great stakes 🙂

    Nothing great is obtained without risk and courage. Faith means to abandon a mean, calculating mentality.

    Be a spiritual Viking 🙂

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  295. Talha says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Ok, if you want to distinguish between Northern Europeans and Southern ones, don’t know why Southern Europeans are not considered Europeans though.

    I do remember coming across something on Vikings and homosexuality. They didn’t consider it perverted or immoral per se, but because they used it as a manner of humiliation (they would sometimes sodomize male foes vanquished in war), it was not something one would consider doing with someone that one had affection for.

    Peace.

  296. AaronB says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    It is interesting that white converts to Islam seem more anti-semitic than born Muslims.

    We Jews are told to be cautious about converts, because they sometimes have a tendency to carry their old baggage with them into their new faith.

  297. @anon

    Isn’t the irony the fact that humans are only apes with opposable thumbs?

  298. @AaronB

    So not knowing, you say you know?

    An aspect of wrong speech?

    “There is the case where a certain person, abandoning false speech, abstains from false speech. When he has been called to a town meeting, a group meeting, a gathering of his relatives, his guild, or of the royalty, if he is asked as a witness, ‘Come & tell, good man, what you know’: If he doesn’t know, he says, ‘I don’t know.’ If he does know, he says, ‘I know.’ If he hasn’t seen, he says, ‘I haven’t seen.’ If he has seen, he says, ‘I have seen.’ Thus he doesn’t consciously tell a lie for his own sake, for the sake of another, or for the sake of any reward. Abandoning false speech, he abstains from false speech. He speaks the truth, holds to the truth, is firm, reliable, no deceiver of the world…”

    https://suttacentral.net/an10.176/en/sujato

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @AaronB
  299. @Talha

    Yes, the only caveat is that 100% of the Ummah or rabbis are only those here and now. Certainly a big caveat, which would make 100% agreement even to this in spirit challenging!

    • Replies: @Talha
  300. @Mulegino1

    Spot on. The Ebionites (in Hebrew the “Poor” in Arabic the “Misakin” the “Fuqara,”) were that branch of the Essenes (from Aramaic the “Baptists” from “askhain” viz Heinrich Graetz) that could not accept the idea that the head of the Essenes crucified by the Pharisees was God himself and retreated into the deserts, while those Essenes who did accept the crucified leader as God hid themselves in society as missionaries. Both were following, in different ways, the advice “to head for the hills when you see the abomination of desolation standing in the holy places” as a result of what Josephus called the “distemper” that seized the Jews and the Pharisee Zealots to set the fire of Rome in 64 AD.

    The Ebionites of Mecca were awoken from their dormant state by the intrusion of Manichaeism in the year 612, the misbegotten child of the original Deutero-Isaiah founded Baptizing Sect colony in southern Iraq at Dastumisan on the border with Iran. Islam was the result of the fever caused by the virus of Dualism, which could have been fatal if Muhammad did not have strong antibodies. The earliest Muslim texts call the first Muslims, including Muhammad and Omar “Sabians” or “Baptists” as noted by Julius Wellhausen in Reste arabischen Heidentums: Gesammelt und erläutert in 1887.

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  301. @Ilya G Poimandres

    Just so that the dear readers know, this is a paraphrasing of what Aristotle said truth was. It appears in the rhetorical and unanswered question of Pontius Pilate: “What is truth.” And the educated hearer who finished grade school is supposed to know that the answer is in Aristotle and the answer says that if the Gospels express the substance of the story, even if the details are not the same, the story is still true.

  302. @AaronB

    The only Antisemites are Jews themselves posing as Amalek. It is our little inside joke.

  303. @AaronB

    It’s “whom I studied,” schmuck. Nagarjuna is the phony voice of Mani introducing Dualism into Buddhism. Mahayana Buddhism is fake Buddhism. In Dualism God is unknowable, or the “Great Abyss” because God would be the place where impossible opposites would have to be reconciled. If modern physics had a God it would be where “matter” and “anti-matter” are the same. To reconcile a good god and an evil god would produce Absolute Contradiction. That’s why Dualists are forced to resort to the Unknowability of God. This is the case in Twelve Imam Shi`ism but not the case in Sunnism where God is Knowable. The problem in Islam is known as the “Vision of God” in paradise. Non-Dualists “see God” because he is coherent, and Non-Dualists don’t see God because their god is incoherent.

    “Getting rid of the ego is, in the end, impossible through our own efforts, and Buddhism finally understood its early mistake – that trying to get rid of ego alone only increases pride.” This is an inversion of truth and is Satan speaking, through you. That’s how chosen people are chosen. And that is what the essence of Satan would be, if he had an essence, Pure Contradiction. Tough to live with. Drives people insane. As Rabbi Wise said: “Some call it Communism, I call it Judaism.” Well some Jews may like to think of Judaism as non-Dualism because it is obvious to them that Yahweh is evil. Well, think again. You’re Dualists. Satan is a Dualist, obviously.

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  304. Harbinger says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Thank you Joe for your flattery.
    However……

    “that truly qualifies you as a leader who could indicate to the sheeple the way out of the matrix of control.”

    It’s not possible.
    I sadly believe that people are going to have to endure horrific persecution, under the hands of their Jewish overlords to eventually rise up and destroy them, once and for all. I may have mentioned in my first reply that Jews are yet again bringing about a reaction to their despicably behaviour, but I don’t think that’s going to come, not for a long time. I could be wrong, but really, people are utterly oblivious to Jews and their wrongdoing.
    The current topic for conversation is Tommy Robinson’s arrest, most certainly going to go to prison and his video, asking Donald Trump to grant him political asylum. What is this about? Well you know that he’s been banging the anti Islam drum for quite some time, but he’s united the British people over the Rotherham rape scandal and calling out the BBC for their support of pedophiles. None of them realize that he’s a fully confirmed Zionist and is merely doing the will of the Zionists, to bring about hatred of Islam and support for their genocide of the Palestinian peoples. There are LOADS of Jews behind Tommy Robinson, because those Jews are Zionists. You will always see Israeli flags flying on any Tommy Robinson rally.

    The UK, along with most western European lands (France, Germany, Spain, Sweden, Norway, Italy, Portugal etc) will become Islamic states by 2060. That’s a simple reality that people are going to have to face. Feminism has destroyed the family. It has drastically reduced birthrates. Indigenous westerners are having one child on average to Muslims’ 5 or so. It doesn’t take rocket science to see where this is headed. Jewish control of politics has resulted in the death of nationalist parties, which ironically pre WW2 were never needed. Whether you were left, centre or right, as an indigenous of your land, your land and people came first. All were nationalists then. Jewish control of academia means that children are not taught their histories, their myths and legends, folklore, heck even their own language, as is the situation here in Scotland. Jewish control of the msm means that multiculturalism and multiracialism is promoted above all else. Our younger generations are lost, completely and those who are awake, courtesy of parents who have instilled reality into them, face a horrendous time of being ostracised by their peers and victimised by the state for not adhering to political correctness and will most certainly fall prey to hate speech allegation.

    It’s not that we’ve reached the pinnacle Joe, we’ve surpassed it, a long time ago. The indigenous population of London is 44%. How could that ever have happened? Look at the indigenous populations of nation capitals outside the west? At the least they’re around 98%.

    The people have been lied to through the control of politics, the msm and academia, three institutions that Jews KNEW, OVERWHELMINGLY that they needed to control to bring about total control of the land. And they have. Let’s face it, the Jews have won. 350,000 Jews in the UK with total dominance over the 64million non Jews. They’ve got them all whistling their tune, instantly attacking anyone, they deem to be ‘anti Semitic’ which is somewhat ironic considering that not one Jew alive or dead, was ever of Shem. Madaites and Japethites, yes. Shemites, no.
    The minute you discuss the lies of the holocaust you are met with anger by people who have placed the holocaust above the deaths of 80 million non Jews. Ask them of the holodomor or the Armenian genocide and they’ll look at you like a goldfish.

    The Jew has won and the only thing that is going to stop them is total, all out civil war and I mean every man, woman and child arming themselves and just bringing society into chaos. But this isn’t going to happen. People are saying that if Tommy gets sent to prison and/or dies inside the UK will kick off. It won’t. A small handful of people will probably protest but overall, people are not going to move outside their comfort zone, jepordize their career, their mortgage and put their family in harm’s way. This is the reality.

    A second genocide is on its way, this time of the Europeans, following suit from the Russians post 1917 takeover by the Jews. It should have been mandatory, in all schools and colleges, daily programs on the TV, radio and articles in the newspaper of the horrors of Russia, to bang into people’s minds to NEVER let this happen again. It hasn’t been. People are pretty much oblivious to the real horrors of Russia and what happened to the Germans during and after WW2. This is what happens when the Jew has total control of a society – people remain blissfully ignorant.

    And really Joe, I’m always honest in everything I do and say in my life. I think this has to happen. I think people need a serious wake up call and the majority of people, coming under hellish, nightmare conditions will do that to them. People have to stop looking for leaders and lead themselves, instead of behaving as the utterly ignorant and pathetic sheep that they are. After all, a sheep has its shepherd, who will, when the time comes, take them to the slaughter house to make mutton. This is always the end for the sheep.

  305. Talha says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    100% agreement even to this in spirit challenging!

    Damn near impossible at this point. I don’t think we’ve had consensus on anything since about the 8th or 9th century. Even new questions that pop up like organ donation, stem cell research, etc. rarely have consensus.

    Peace.

  306. @ploni almoni

    Correction: In the medieval “vision of God in Paradise question:” Non-Dualists “see God” because he is coherent, and Dualists don’t see God because they cant see God since their god is incoherent.

  307. Talha says:
    @Harbinger

    Hmmm – can’t tell if this is a black pill or a red pill, but…if you’ve got even your Visegrad and Eastern European leaders going to “the wall”, well…

    Putin:

    Orban:

    Salvini:

    Andzrej Duda (Polish President):

    Milos Zeman (Czech President):

    Did earlier European leadership make this pilgrimage? When did this begin – does anyone know?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
    , @Joe Levantine
  308. @Harbinger

    If you bring in a nuclear weapon onto the stage in act II it has to go off in act IV. It will take ten half lives of plutonium to wear off, so thirty thousand years from now, the show will begin again.Formulaic, I know, but the formula is the formula.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Harbinger
  309. AaronB says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    I will try and give you a fuller answer later today, but I wanted to address your question about the concept of being chosen.

    Every religion must believe it has special access to truth. Buddhism is no different in this regard – the Buddhist scriptures explicitly say that true salvation is only within Buddhism, that other methods don’t work.

    Holy and inspired men may arise in other traditions, but they must be in some way inadequate. Other religions may have a portion of the truth, but only ones own tradition can have it in its fullest form.

    A religion that thought other traditions had a full measure of truth would thereby abolish itself.

    So the idea that the Jewish religion is the best road to truth is merely an aspect of the deep structure of religion.

    Now, this idea that each religion thinks it has unique access to truth expresses itself in different ways – in Judaism, it expresses itself as God having a unique relationship to a specific lineage, which all of mankind is invited to join.

    Does it lend itself to making a golden calf of the a Jewish people? For sure, in its corrupted form. But in many ways, it is a broad and tolerant view. For instance, Christians believe no one will be saved except through Jesus – others, even if righteous, will burn in hell. Judaism is not nearly so severe – righteous gentiles have a share in heaven, but if one wishes to truly serve God on the highest level, one must do so from within Judaism.

    Furthermore, every religion arose among a specific ethnic group, from which it spread – so even though other religions don’t articulate that God has a special relationship with a particular lineage, converting to that religion is obviously joining a particular lineage.

    So the Jewish idea here is articulated in a way that is offensive to modern sensibilities – but that is fine. We do not seek to be moderns. We think archaically, and do not seek to pander to fashion .But it is not an idea with no analogue in other religions – it is properly situated within a cluster of ideas that is part of the deep structure of religion, and it is a much more benevolent and tolerant view than might appear from a hasty glance.

    The confusion seems to come from not appreciating the fact of conversion – yes, if Jews thought no one could join them, and only 100% pure people born of that lineage could access Gods unique truth, thus would indeed be inhuman and sinister.

    What purpose does this have for abandoning the self or moral self perfection? Well, Judaism believes that humanity’s task is not to abandon the self – but to spiritually perfect oneself by submission to God’s will, and thus repair Adam’s original sin and elevate the whole of creation, including matter. Matter will be spiritualized and transfigured.

    The specific rituals and attitudes found in Judaism – the specific content of our sacred scriptures – is considered the only true effective path to this end. For instance, the psalms and the Prophets have no precise analogue in other religions, and the idea of repairing creation and elevating the world spiritually likewise.

    But again, this is no different than other religions.

    Thus concept also exerts a strong psychological effect, as it is existential, it involves the whole man, it invokes a personal relationship to God, and a sense of loyalty and devotion, in a way that a more abstract religions even at their best don’t quite hit.

    There is something about being born into, or joining, a lineage that God chose to have a special relationship with that evokes loyalty and devotiin to a high degree. This is no small part of the reason why Jews are still around, when other nations have vanished, and Christianity is dead.

  310. Talha says:
    @ploni almoni

    Unless it is removed (hopefully) from the stage in Act III.

    Peace.

  311. @S

    Hi and thank you for the links. I perused them and the content is familiar to me. I will go over them in detail this weekend.

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  312. AaronB says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    All religions require Faith.

    Have you seen Nirvana? Have you experienced the cessation of suffering? Have you pierced the veil of illusion? Have you seem through the illusion of self?

    Religion is archaic thinking, not rationalist project – intuition, imagination, and faith are as important as reason, or more.

    Only modernity sets up reason as absolute – once you reject that premise, one begins to seek alternatives.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  313. Harbinger says:
    @Talha

    All western leaders are bought and paid for whores of Zion. However I, implicitly, meant eastern European peoples who faced the horrors of communism, who haven’t thrown away their culture will be the ones who’ll survive. All western nations are completely lost. Pretty much 95% of western society is globalist and accepting of depravity and degeneracy. There’s no hope for them. The younger generations are FUBAR. Utterly devoid of common sense. They’ve been failed by the older ones.

    There will be a reset, an Armageddon. It has to happen as society is contaminated. There are artefacts, found by archeologists that have completely baffled them. They predate any time of human and very advanced. What does this imply? We’ve been here before and we’re not learning, most certainly down to history being erased for control purposes, as is what has started happening today. It’s a never ending struggle of good vs evil.

    • Replies: @anon
  314. Harbinger says:
    @ploni almoni

    Yup.
    See my reply to talha above. We’ve been here before. How many times? I don’t know.

  315. @AaronB

    No, I am a Dhamma follower, and a monk on the path to enlightenment would never say ‘I have seen nibbana’ anyways – that would be a step backwards. Sotapanna will take some time for me, I don’t meditate enough for now. But it’s the verifiability of faith that matters. For which I agree with https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.027.than.html.

    Chosenness in either Judaism or any other faith is unverifiable. God, or any other entity assigned permanence, is just as unverifiable.

    This is blind faith, without any hope of knowledge. It doesn’t mean the result is that all unverifiable faiths achieve 0% of what is achievable, just never 100%, because to be certain one must know, and one can’t know through inference – that only offers a statistic with some significance level below 100%.

    Buddhists don’t have chosenness – it is simply ‘treating this as this, and that as that, not this as that and that as this’ – living experience as it is in the here and now, an experience that is impermanent (anicca), not permanently satisfactory, and therefore not one that can be described as one’s true self (anatta). Within a bland world where all entities suffer under these same conditions, there is no space for exceptionalism.

    If the human mind is above the animal mind through access to the abstraction and objectification of experience, then the summation and extrapolation of experience into One term, meaning, explanation, is the categorical limit of abstraction and objectification. The abstract notion of God in this sense, is the peak of materialism.

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  316. @Harbinger

    If Jews have already won will they allow Europe to become Islamic? Some, like those backing Tommy Robinson, may be waking up to the fact that that may not be a good idea as an Islamic Europe will turn against the Jews and Israel. On the Internet we can find quotes to back any theory but are you sure Jews as a whole are for the Islamisation of Europe? And those Europeans who are opposed to that should they not welcome the activism of Islamophobic Jews? Or should Europeans support the Muslims in their anti-Jew activities? Something’s going to have to give at some point. Even if we concede that Jews are leading both camps, the pro-Islamic and the anti-Islamic, what should the whites do? Perhaps doing nothing for the time being while watching how this unfolds may not be such a bad idea.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  317. @Laurent Guyénot

    /I understand you think it is a good idea/

    Mr. Guyénot,

    You are far too intelligent a man to assume this about my thinking.

    I don’t think it’s a “good idea” that The One Who Creates man also provides clear guidance for him. It is the simply the logical conclusion of a Benevolent Creator not wanting to abandon the crown of His creation to the whimsy and caprice of his own feral intellect. The ethics and mores we currently take for granted in the 21st Gregorian calendar century were not so accessible to individuals of the Mosaic era, and those seemingly trivial matters to which you refer did not comprise the foundational perspectives of The Torah.

    Your intelligence is evident in that you understand the natural inclination to affirm God and a spiritual realm. After all, how natural is it to conclude that all we behold in existence is the byproduct of random happenstance among essentially deaf, dumb, blind, lifeless and unconscious particles of matter? Yet, at the end of the day, this remains a matter of faith. We can no more “prove” the existence of God than we can prove the existence of angels or jinn.

    In applying the scientific method to determine the veracity of prophethood, the subject of the experiment must, of necessity, begin with faith therein, adhering to the model of perception and conduct set forth by said prophet. There is no other scientific means by which one may “prove” the prophethood in question, and ultimately, even such a method is not foolproof, since the demands of faith upon a subject predisposed to recalcitrance against it would invariably corrupt the results.

    But it’s still the best method of proof we have. We know the divine wisdom of prayer by praying. We understand the divine wisdom of fasting by fasting, and that of avoiding what covers the intellect (e.g. intoxicants) by avoiding it. In short, we know by doing (or not doing), which is the most straightforward expression of faith.

    This is science, which does not place the cart before the horse, demanding a standard of proof that is impossible to meet as it is when others demand proof for the existence of God or spiritual realms.

    When we apply this …

    Repel the evil act with what is better, then surely, he between whom and you had been enmity becomes as a close friend. [41: 34]

    … we can verify its veracity. Just as we can by applying any other divine wisdom as it is meant to be applied. Of course, one can always reject this as a standard of proof for its divine origin.

    Which means it all comes down to faith, and faith is all it’s ever come to, be one Deist, Jew, Christian, Muslim, or otherwise.

  318. @ploni almoni

    /What a bummer./

    Pardon me, but I admit I don’t get this comment.

    Perhaps you can explain it a bit further.

  319. @Harbinger

    Sadly, what you describe is very true. This is why I have many times thought that a divine intervention is a must if the world is to get a modicum of decency and serenity and relief from the fog of the big lie that has been corrupting morals and pushing humanity into slavery.

    I had posted sometime ago on this site that the beginning of the end of the nightmarish spell that humans are subjected to is to push the mantra that “dignity is more precious than life”. To my disappointment, I did not get any reply for that comment.

    I have tried my best to awaken those who are close to me and I succeeded to create awareness in my kids for which I have been chastised by my entourage as putting them under undue strain with the traditional cowardly and nonchalant popular comment” there nothing we can do”. At moments, I have felt that trying to get awareness into people would make you a social outcast. Yet, this begs the question: are we supposed to simply abandon any resistance to the dark forces encroaching on mankind? The irony of it is that day by day it does look like the Europeans best chance at self preservation was lost with the defeat of Hitler.

    Yes indeed it does look like things have to get much worse until the people will kick aside their trivial pursuits and start fighting for their future and the integrity of the nuclear family which is the basis of a healthy society. But the dark fate of humanity heralded by the Fabian Society member George Orwell aka Eric Blair in his book ‘1984’and Aldous Huxley’s ‘Brave New World’ looks like it is progressing with military accuracy. This is when people of integrity and courage are needed more than ever.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  320. @Talha

    While I consider Putin to be the most qualified leader in the world, I have to admit that he is not God’s gift to humanity. As for the other leaders paying their due respect and kowtowing to their Zionist masters, I could hardly be surprised since Pope John Paul II did exactly the same when he visited Jerusalem. How many of those leaders do realise that this so called Wailing Wall is a vestige of the old Roman fortress of Antonia? Maybe all of them do but there is nothing to stop them from pleasing their masters.

    • Replies: @Talha
  321. @AaronB

    Typical Zionist ad-hominem. Squawking “anti-Semite” like a trained parrot not only fails to refute my argument, but implicitly concedes it. So thank you for the compliment, please keep them coming!

  322. @Rabbitnexus

    The Rothschilds for whom Lawrence was of course a front man, a bumboy for the Jews was he, already knew of the oil beneath this land and the value it would soon have.

    Actually Lawrence was irate that at the Government’s Balfour Declaration. He had promised all Arab lands would be under Arab rule, if they rebelled against the Ottomans. He saw the Declaration as turning him into a liar, and losing credibility with the Arabs. That is the main reason he resigned his commission. He was in no way a Zionist or Judeophile.
    After changing his name he rejoined the Army. He was adamantly opposed to war with Germany. The circumstances around his death have been buried for decades.
    http://www.criminalelement.com/the-murder-of-lawrence-of-arabia-tony-hays/

  323. AaronB says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    100% certainty is impossible in anything. Whatever Buddhist experience you are seeking, you can never be certain you have had it and not been deceived.

    As for my faith claims, I can know after death, or in this life through intuition or imagination or revelation, and the effects on me of adopting the creed.

    But you are right – this is a fundamentally different attitude than the certainty-desiring of modernity, which to me is one of the strange unhealthy aspects of modern.

    Since I see modernity as fundamentally wrong and flawed, I investigate other modes of being – and choose them.

    But others may choose differently, that is fine.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  324. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    This is why Kierkegaard described it as a choice of a mode of being.

    You have chosen the mode of being of modernity, where certainty is desired, and logic rules.

    Since epistemological investigation shoes certainty is impossible and logic is only proximate (nagarjuna), I find this mode of being inadequate.

    Since modernity clearly produces sickness and misery, I find societies based on this mode of being flawed.

    Therefore I chose another mode of being, that is an alternative, and cannot be justified from within the premises of the mode of being of modernity.

    It must seem like foolishness to the Greeks 🙂

    By framing the issue as one of verifiability, certainty, and logic, you merely reveal your choice of mode of being – by framing it as one of Faith, I reveal my choice.

    It is an existential choice, and neither can be justified from within the premises of the other.

    They are stark and naked alternatives forcing us to commit ourselves.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  325. Talha says:
    @Joe Levantine

    How many of those leaders do realise that this so called Wailing Wall is a vestige of the old Roman fortress of Antonia?

    I don’t know. I guess that’s a good point that maybe it did start with Pope John Paul II – I don’t know enough whether this was common before that time.

    I mean, if a bunch of Western leaders were making trips to Saudi to kiss the Black Stone in the Kaa’bah, I’d assume all hell would break loose or at least it would make big news.

    Peace.

  326. Harbinger says:
    @Commentator Mike

    It’s not about whether the Jew will allow Europe to become Islamic or not. It won’t be stopped. Look, you really have to be incredibly stupid if you don’t understand the simple factor at play here. British people are having one 1.4 children per family, IF THAT IS they’re getting married and having families. Marriage has plummeted. Divorce has skyrocketed. Men are going MGTOW. Muslims are having, on average 5+ children per family. Now do the maths. Muslims don’t joke about womb jihad. It’s how every land, now Islamic became Islamic.

    Why isn’t it a good idea for Europe to become Islamic, by Jews? Judaism and Islam are very similar to one another. Both seek total dominance over all the world’s peoples. Both have the same ritualistic slaughter of animals. Both promote circumcision. Both move to the extremes of religious zealotry. Religious leaders rule their flock within Islam and Judaism – Rabbis and Imams. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are religious. Jews see that westerners are vehemently against Kosher slaughter and circumcision. Muslims see this also. Jews came to Europe with the Muslims, bringing with them their Sub Saharan Slave Trade. Their has always been a strong connection between Jews and Muslims.

    Why would I welcome the activism of any Jew? Jews cannot be trusted. They are the definition of deceit. This is what they have been for thousands of years. It is their genetic makeup. They can’t help but be compulsive liars. Added to that chosen belief and goyim sub human indoctrination. Lying to a goy is nothing, for we are animals there to serve Jews. They don’t have to answer to a lower form of life.

    What should the whites do? You can do everything but you won’t as explained in the post. There are very few who are awake. They know what’s going to happen and know that nothing will be done about it. The west will come under Islam. The minute they allowed non Europeans the freedom to become citizens in their lands, buy property, run businesses, live by their cultures and traditions, build their own religious buildings and schools and attain positions of power and influence was the day they effectively cut the throat of their civilisation.

    There is only one way and ONE WAY ONLY that to stop the west from becoming an Islamic state

    THE IMMEDIATE REPATRIATION OF ALL MUSLIMS BACK TO THEIR ISLAMIC LANDS.

    That is never, ever, ever, ever, ever going to happen. Nor would any form of Muslim child restriction to bring down their numbers.
    It’s not a case of ‘perhaps’ doing nothing and watching how all this unfolds because there’s nothing you will do to stop it.
    You need to SERIOUSLY understand the following:

    Indigenous births in the west – 1.4 – 1.6 per couple.
    Islamic births in the west – 5+ per couple.

    You also need to understand that the high majority of Muslim women are having multiple offspring whereas white women have bought into feminism and think that chasing a career, so they can buy their fancy shoes, go away on holidays and sleep with as many men as they want, is a great idea. And of course, they’re not having any children.

    The UK and the rest of the west will be under Islam by 2060. I’ll tell you how it will play out – Democracy:

    1. Muslims will continue to grow.
    2. An Islamic party of the UK (other parties already springing up in Europe. See Netherlands) will be formed pushing Theocracy and Sharia.
    3. Muslims will vote for this party, while the indigenous, that is those who vote will play the usual Jew foolery of voting left, right and centre.
    4. With the vote heavily divided amongst the whites, the Muslims will win. In one fell swoop with a population of around 25% of the UK population, there will be an Islamic Sharia party in government.

    This is how it’s going to play out.
    This is how Europe will become part of the ummah.
    It won’t be stopped.
    People will eventually wake up and realise that the only way to win is repatriation but they’ll be powerless to do anything about it.
    Civil war will ensue, but Muslims will just keep piling in from Islamic lands and overwhelm the small resistance of whites.
    It’s just the way it is. Whites are weak, incredibly weak, wilfully ignorant fools who have bought the Jew indoctrination program hook, line and sinker. They’re too stupid to put the connection to vaccines, another think Jews are tampering with that’s creating a society of autistic children, anti social peoples. More to smash the western civilization.
    The western peoples are contaminated. They’re lost, completely lost. They’re rallying behind Tommy Robinson and not one has even bothered to ask the question: “Why are they letting in all the Muslims, especially from lands we’re at war with?”

    “Know thy enemy, know thyself” – Sun Tzu. They don’t know whom their enemy is and ironically are not only ignorantly fighting wars for them (and dying in due process) they’re also defiantly defending them, when they attack anyone who says anything remotely critical of Jews.

    I’ll be dead by 2060. I’m not really particularly bothered quite frankly. The writing has been on the wall for thousands of years about the Jews and how evil they are. If people are simply not prepared to understand that and act upon it then they deserve whatever hell befalls them.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  327. @AaronB

    Thank you for that thoughtful response, Aaron.

    You must know that one cannot justifiably call himself Muslim without according due respect to the righteous legacy of the House of Israel. I see in you a consciousness of your heritage that is at once inspiring and encouraging to the faithful. It appears my enthusiasm for what you say has given you the impression that I attempted to “convert” you, while my perception of you is colored solely by the light of The Qur’an, which informs me as to the faith you so manifestly possess — a faith so proximate to what we know, it remains virtually indistinguishable from ours.

    In any event, we don’t do conversions. Certainly, all are welcome, independent of ethnic background, nationality, social class, or gender. Were you to accept the invitation, no demand could be placed upon you with respect to your Jewish heritage, nor the traditions inextricably bound to that heritage. You retain full rights to preserve such practice for as long as you and your progeny desire, and our hands cannot reach it. This is the shari’ah as originally sent down.

    /the “birth” element – it is inescapable/

    It is undeniable that one born into a household of God-fearing parents would be expected to accrue advantage therefrom, though even such circumstances do not guarantee good results, and our history is replete with accounts of recalcitrant sons and daughters who failed to inherit the goodness of their parents. Were it otherwise, there’d be no need for Deuteronomy 24: 16, and I feel reasonably certain you are dismayed by many of your bloodline who have so clearly “fallen away from” God.

    The primary obstacle with a “birthright” privilege in religion is that it remains inherently contrary to the understanding of God as One Who Judges us according to our conduct, rather than according to our lineage. The idea is naturally discomfiting, instinctively repellent. We know intuitively that God — being Who He Is — would never ordain something so plainly and oppressively inequitable. It simply flies in the face of reason.

    No path to God “begins” with anyone or any people. It “begins” with God Himself, The Necessarily and Evidently Existent. Indeed, He chooses whom He will to follow that path, and among your ancestors we find inestimable honor in eyes of God, though the path did not begin with Jacob, as Abraham, Noah, and Adam, among others, all Messengers of God, preceded him. There is neither “start” nor “end” to God’s wisdom.

    The moment we incline to any other orientation, we have violated the First Law sent down to Moses ‘alaihis-salaam.

    /I think history shows that Europeans struggle with spirituality/

    Genesis 9: 27, a prayer of Noah for Japheth and his descendants, suggests otherwise.

    To what other people has God promised this “opening”?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  328. Malla says:

    And Islam is one of those ideologies started by Jewie to rile up the Arabs as Cannon fodder to destroy the ancient Persians and Byzantines. One of those ideologies for the goyim.

    Muslims have been used by Zionists for centuries to attain their aims.
    Besides, Islam itself was started by the ancestors of the Zionists to use Arabs as a tool to destroy the Persian and Byzantine Empires. This is the Persian Empire which saved the Jews from Babylon during the reign of Cyrus the Great, the same Persian Empire whose government the Zionists themselves controlled, the same Persian Empire where the Zionists of that time killed the Persian nationalist Haman and his sons. The Byzantines had barred Jews from any position of power or from banking however they were permitted to stay as normal subjects. The Byzantines had to go.

    http://thechristiansolution.com/tcs_book/SupportDocs_TCS/TCS158.htm

    http://www.thechristiansolution.com/Exilarch.html

    https://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-the-origins-and-spread-of-islam-how-the-jews-developed-the-program-of-islam-to-invade-and-destroy-the-east/

    Of course Islam, like Christianity, went out of their control and Islam became an Arab project and then a Muslim project including non Arab Muslims (Ajams) under the Abbasid Caliphate period

  329. Harbinger says:
    @Joe Levantine

    “I have tried my best to awaken those who are close to me and I succeeded to create awareness in my kids for which I have been chastised by my entourage as putting them under undue strain with the traditional cowardly and nonchalant popular comment” there nothing we can do”. At moments, I have felt that trying to get awareness into people would make you a social outcast. Yet, this begs the question: are we supposed to simply abandon any resistance to the dark forces encroaching on mankind? [emphasis mine] The irony of it is that day by day it does look like the Europeans best chance at self preservation was lost with the defeat of Hitler.”

    There will be resistance to whatever happens, but it will be folly.
    Moreso, it really begs the question, just what is there English about England today? The same can be said of Scotland, Ireland and Wales. They are globalist states, where LGBTQ walk down streets scantily clad, promoting their degenerate lifestyle. We have Transgenders reading books to nursery school children. We have schools expelling pupils who state there are only two genders. We no longer have indigenous communities and those that are, are quickly being filled with non whites. We have immigrants in positions of power and authority abusing the system. We have a police force and judiciary that’s anti white. The same with the msm and education systems. We have men not going to university which is leaving the way clear for non whites to enter into even more positions of power and authority. Our children are not taught their culture at school. They know nothing of their history……
    The list goes on and on.
    What is there worth saving in the west today Joe? This really is a question you have to think about. It is a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. To understand what England was, for example, watch Lord of the Rings and the shire. The way people were, how they communicated, the laid back lifestyle. Watch Michael Cain films from the 70’s like Get Carter or the Ipcress Files. Now look at London today? There is nothing English about England. People believe if you’re born in England, no matter where your parents are from you’re English. They have no culture, no traditions. They are no longer English.

    There is nothing and I mean nothing worth saving in the west. It’s a decadent shit-hole of Mammon worshippers and nothing more, ironically run by an anarcho-oligarchy completely free to do whatever they want, to whom, whenever.

    It just saddens me that there will be such a horrific loss of life. I’m also greatly angered at why some people can see reality so clearly, and others are blatantly blind to it. No matter how simply you explain the situation to them, tell them who’s behind it, tell them WHY they’re behind it and for what purpose, they’re not in the least bit interested. Whether Ronaldo scores on the weekend, or who’s shagging who on Eastenders is all they care about. Now ask yourself a question Joe; do you really want to help these idiots who can’t be bothered to actually begin trying to comprehend the hellish future, you’ve just explained to them? I for one certainly don’t.

    As I stated in an above reply; we’ve been here before. I think this game has been played out many, many times over millions of years. We haven’t learned. We’re still losing to evil. For all we know, we could be in hell, living a perpetual cycle of despair.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  330. @AaronB

    100% certainty is not possible for any thing. But nibbana is no thing, so there will be certainty once the conceit of ‘I’ is cut off. That is my faith, and I slowly practice towards it! 🙂

    All good faiths lead away from materialism, and what you describe as modernity I would describe as good ol’ Carvaka level materialism – we’ve seen it all before! I agree more with the Tao Te Ching, which says this world is a spiritual vessel and shouldn’t be grasped, and I would not describe myself as a materialist. For me I want to farm and teach in this life (switching from prop trading), before I retire to monkhood when my kid is independent.

    Sadly the scientific method – I agree with Popper that it is just an effective method of error correction for hypotheses – is slowly becoming Science through society’s materialism and loss of understanding of the old faiths, and really just another ideology. Though one that has no religion, no vector for self caused change. Perhaps this is because it is only a methodology, only acknowledging external data for its conclusions..

    Materialism and religious faith do stand opposed for sure though – the former glorifies this experience, the latter seeks to abandon it for the other side, however the faith defines it!

    It has been an interesting chat, thank you, time for bed! 🙂

  331. @AaronB

    /It is interesting that white converts to Islam seem more anti-semitic than born Muslims./

    I don’t find this to be the case, though it is quite possible that the role which Saul of Tarsus played in deceiving the descendants of Japheth has something to do with it. A mighty golem was unleashed upon Europe to keep it in check, but even its creators couldn’t anticipate what a Frankenstein it would become. Still, it continues to serve its purpose. No nations more obsequiously pledge fealty to Israel than those who continue to labor under the impression that “salvation is from the Jews.”

    When the depth of that deception is first made plain to us, it’s entirely natural to feel deep-seated anger about it. After all, it was intended to disfranchise the Children of Japheth from their rightful inheritance in the Kingdom of God, maintaining their subservience to Israel.

    Yet we are informed: “Don’t be angry.” Anger corrupts our vision, distorts our judgment, and renders us incapable of knowing God. And not only is it entirely possible to comprehend the deception that has been perpetrated against us while avoiding the invidious snares of anger that may arise from such comprehension, it is necessary for us to do so.

    God would not want it any other way.

  332. Anounder says:
    @anon

    When Odin has built a great civilizational chain, give me a call.

    • Replies: @anon
  333. @Kevin Barrett

    Thank you for penning this.

    Douglas Reed has done a fairly good job of distinguishing those Children of Israel who knew God as Muslims do and the latter generations of Judah who deviated from that knowledge. AaronB would likely deny that such deviation ever occurred, and I am remiss to inform any religious adherent about “what they really believe,” since to do so would be tantamount to claiming that I could read his mind. (The anti-Islam brigadiers that infest these kind of threads are legendary for their purported telepathy in this regard.)

    It’s likely that your characterization of his God as “tribal” is what triggered him. Based on our conversation in this thread, he doesn’t appear to believe in such a thing, he speaks highly of Islam and refers to Muslims as “fellow travelers.” Certainly, we’ll have our disagreements, but just as I think it unwarranted for him to call you an “anti-Semite,” it’s only fair to let him to present his understanding of God on his terms.

    And I know that you are a reasonable man.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Malla
  334. @Harbinger

    I’m well aware of the problem of birth rates and where it will lead, but it’s always worth repeating and emphasising.

    Regarding the Jew-Muslim alliance holding out I’m not so sure. There’s always the problem of Palestine but perhaps in Europe where they see whites as a common enemy it could be different. I’ve even had a Palestinian Christian, who should know well, tell me that there’s no difference between Jews and Muslims, and that ultimately they will unite against the Christians, much as you say.

    Regarding what many whites think, a commenter Pierre recently wrote in Morgoth’s Review: “it’s been a few years already since these people have progressed to the stage where they’ll say 1. it’s not happening; 2. if it is it doesn’t matter in the slightest; or 3. it’s happening and it’s wonderful and/or “karma.” without batting an eye.” That’s pretty much my own experience with the usual “there’s nothing you can do about it” thrown in. Quite bleak. Still some are aware and not giving up hope just yet.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  335. Malla says:
    @Harbinger

    ((They)) are more scared of Whites than ((they)) are of Muslims. ((They)) look at you as the descendants of Emperor Titus. The point is with a civil War in Europe between native Europeans and Muslim invaders/infiltrators, Whites will be too busy fighting or full of hate to give a damn about the Greater Israel project. Arabs will be crushed and the remaining ones will become slaves as some Rabbis have been calling for it. Hindu fundamentalist India will be used by the Zionists to neutralize Muslims of South Asia including Pakistan.
    That is what is in the cards, the sudden rise of Hindu fundamentalists in power in India is linked to the whole plan too.
    There is even this theory that the Babri Mosque destruction by Hindu fundamentalists in Ayodhya, North India years ago was a kind of feeler, to see how Muslims throughout the World respond. The eventual goal is to destroy the Al Asqa Mosque. They are just waiting for the right moment. The Al Asqa stands like a thorn for their Third Temple plans. They already have the menorahs for the temples ready. They are waiting for the right moment to bring down the mosque.
    Europe, the Middle East and perhaps South Asia will be in flames.

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Harbinger
  336. Malla says:
    @AnonStarter

    Douglas Reed has done a fairly good job of distinguishing those Children of Israel who knew God as Muslims do and the latter generations of Judah who deviated from that knowledge.

    Some months back there was this series of videos on youtube by a Jewish youth called ‘Not So Chosen People’ but that has been scrubbed clean from youtube by the Google commisars where he explained how Jews are really not chosen people and that Israelites and Judeans are different but related people. Strangely in a video, Sheikh Imran Hosseini said that the early muslim Arabs considered the Jews as ‘Banu Israel’ or the children of Israel but after some bad experiences with the Jews and some research on biblical genealogy, muslims started calling them ‘yehudi’. Did the early Arabs realize this too?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  337. @Assad al-islam

    Shi`ism in Iran was imposed by the Safavids. It is never too late to acquire an objective understanding of what is going on around you. Otherwise you are ruled by illusions; your own and those others impose upon you.

  338. Seraphim says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Fomenko is demented. His place is back in the asylum from which he escaped.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  339. @Laurent Guyénot

    There is nothing strange about God, or, an intermediary such as Gabriel talking to someone. It happens all the time, and it would be strange if He did not. Has not your own life told you that? The Essenes, and others, had schools of prophecy. Those of the Essenes were very good because they were very, very serious people, and had very strict criteria for writing “God’s words” and respected scientific principles. They recorded natural phenomena, the phases of the Moon, the aspects of the planets, looked at actual history for models and patterns, and recorded their observations. It is not that different from the scientific method, but they were not materialists, since their primary subject is man and God, and the man part is only played by a lump of clay. That portion of the Koran which is called the “Meccan Revelations” are texts translated into Arabic from an Aramaic and sometimes Greek original, which are applied to the then current situation, or explain a pertinent tenet of Ebionite doctrine. Obviously Muhammad, who did not compose them, chose them. But the Medinan verses he had a hand in composing and there his character emerges.

    Unfortunately, later Islamic commentators took the ancient passages, the “Meccan revelations” and tried to imply that they were actual events in Muhammad’s career. Perhaps in some sense they were related, since they are in the Koran, but they obviously predate Islam, some by a thousand years, and some by more. The Koran contains psalms of David which are not found in the Bible but are found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. In many cases the Koranic revelations are actually from Zoroastrian prophetic texts and many also figure in the Gospels. The Koran even says “that this was in the old scrolls, the scrolls of Abraham and Moses” but this does not get through people’s skulls. Some verses are completely different to those found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Apocrypha, but many of them actually illuminate the Gospels. For example the verse that says: “Late afternoon, in which man is lost, except those who believe, and do good works, and exhort to truth and to forbearance and endurance.” It is no accident that the Gospels depict the crucifixion as beginning at nine AM with the signs at noon such as the darkness that covered the earth, the ripping apart of the curtain the holy of holies, the earthquake, and ending at 3 PM. The metaphysical significance of these moments are described in the Koran. The verse also repudiates Paul’s claim that man is saved by faith alone since it emphasizes “good works.” This is a reference to the (theoretical) conflict between Paul and James of Jerusalem. (Theoretical because while James actually existed, Paul was only a literary construct, a straw man, like Moses, and the conflict takes place in the Book of Acts, an ideological tract, which nevertheless transmits actual facts, even though it was written long after the events and far from the scene.)

    And so the Koran constitutes a trove like the Dead Sea Scrolls. The blindness of prejudice prevented many people who were well versed in Christianity and the Old Testament from recognizing the very same verses in the Koran as in the Gospels. The Lord’s Prayer, for example, is identical to the Fatihah of the Koran, and yet no churchman has ever realized it, or if they did, had the courage to say it. The fact that it is identical should have been understood as a supernova in the heavens.

    In the Koran there are two obviously student exercises that depict a dead man being awakened from death to face the last judgement, but they must have received good marks from a teacher to be included. Sort of like a doctorate thesis. And when one studies these texts one can appreciate their acute observations and remarkable accuracy. There is a Dead Sea Scroll text from 40 BC which “predicts” what has already happened as what “will happen.” So obviously it is not wrong. But then, among its details it actually predicts correctly what then happened a hundred years later. Scientific method at work.

    The Dead Sea Scrolls predict a conflict between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness at the end of time. Can anyone deny that this is on the horizon? Or, in fact, is actually taking place right now? And the Gospels say: “Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time?”

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  340. @Malla

    /Strangely in a video, Sheikh Imran Hosseini said that the early muslim Arabs considered the Jews as ‘Banu Israel’ or the children of Israel but after some bad experiences with the Jews and some research on biblical genealogy, muslims started calling them ‘yehudi’./

    God refers both to the Banu Israel and yahudi in The Qur’an. Neither reference is implicitly derogatory, so I can’t subscribe to this particular perspective.

    That said, there is an undeniable distinction between the Children of Israel who remained faithful to their original covenant with God and those who pursued alternative designs. The Messiah has already arrived with the Good News of the Messenger of the Covenant, who fulfilled God’s promise to bless all of humankind — rather than a chosen few — with the clear path to salvation.

    The faithful of Israel have already acknowledged the fulfillment of God’s promises with which their forebears were well familiar, but it’s difficult to blame the remainder when the Pharisees wrought deception both against their own people and those of other nations so many generations ago.

    • Replies: @Malla
  341. Seraphim says:
    @ploni almoni

    The so-called conflict James-Paul about justification by ‘faith alone or good works’ is the literary construct, pure fiction concocted in Protestant pseudo-theology.
    The Acts talk about a controversy about the necessity of circumcising the Gentiles. It was not about faith vs ‘good’ works, but about justification through faith vs justification through the ‘works of the Jewish Law’.
    The relevant passages are in Galatians 2:1-21:

    [MORE]

    THEN fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. 2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. 3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised: 4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: 5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. 6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man’s person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. 10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. 11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain”.
    (5:2-6)”Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love…

    It is not the Koran which would reveal the ‘true Christianity’. The Koran is not a trove, rather a trough.

  342. @Malla

    And then is Notre Dame de Paris also a feeler?

    • Replies: @Malla
  343. @Laurent Guyénot

    It is true that Semitic Arabs have always migrated into Canaan and I am aware of the attachment/importance of Mount Horeb in the (Hebrew) Bible. However, I don’t see how either one argument show, conclusively, the origin of Yahweh — at least in name — in the Arabian Peninsula.

    The discovery and deciphering of the Ugaritic tablets in the 1920s/1930s demonstrates that a Yahweh existed as a (minor) God in the Canaanite religion. Ugarit was destroyed by the “Sea People” in 1200 BCE. The chronology of where Yahweh came first (Canaan or the Arabian Peninsula) should be evident.

    Additionally, an equivalent of Yahweh, under different names, existed among the Egyptians and Mesopotamians:

    In antiquity, south-eastern Canaan was a very important centre for copper smelting. While it is likely that there existed a patron deity of metallurgy, the identity of the Canaanite god of smelting remains unknown. Although some biblical writings suggest a south Canaanite origin of Yahweh, no details are provided concerning his worship prior to him becoming the god of Israel. This study explores whether Yahweh was formerly the Canaanite god of metallurgy. The following observations corroborate this hypothesis: (1) Yahweh was worshiped by the Edomites, and especially by the Kenites, a small tribe regarded as the Canaanite smelters; (2) the Israelite cult of Yahweh was associated with copper and with a bronze serpent, a typical symbol of metallurgy; (3) the melting of copper is considered in Exodus 4 as the specific sign of Yahweh; (4) a parallel exists between Yahweh and the god of metallurgy worshiped in Egypt (Ptah), Mesopotamia (Ea/Enki) and Elam (Napir), all of them being a mysterious lonely deity; (5) fighting the (other) gods is common to Yahwism and to ancient metallurgical traditions. These data suggest that, before becoming publicly worshipped in Israel, Yahweh was formerly the god of the Canaanite guild of metallurgists.

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0309089209105686

    That said, and to the best of my knowledge, the Yahweh of the Canaanite religion (and its equivalent in Egypt and Mesopotamia) was not violent, revengeful and murderous like in Judaism. If that nature was created among Semitic Arabs and the name “Yahweh” was apposed to it; then it’s a whole other argument.

    On a side but related note, I remember reading that following the destruction of Jerusalem, the Pharisaic (aka Jewish) library moved to Arabia. We know that the Bible was written by many authors over the course of many centuries — it is possible/likely that Arabs added their touch to what became known as Judaism. The “Seal of Solomon” and other elements found in Judaism today have their roots in that particular region (Arabia). Knowing who the “Hebrews” really were would help shed light on these matters.

  344. @Harbinger

    I have nothing much to add to your realistic assessment of the fate of mankind except to say that you are heralding the end of times. I have listened to an interview with sheikh Omran Hussein, a Muslim scholar, yet he has more integrity in his fingernails than we can hope to get from the heart of our spiritual leaders at the church, in which he forcefully states that we are indeed seeing clear signs of the end of times.

    On a positive note, the Dalai Lama, a man I have often suspected of being a globalist and a CIA asset did make a bold pronouncement that Europe should be for Europeans and that immigrants to Europe should go back to their countries and rebuild them to the consternation of his Liberal supporters.

    As for your stating that we have been here before, I absolutely agree with you that this is the case and I really think that the Anunakis did temper with our genes to lock us into serfdom to the blood lines and their Jewish intermediaries. Jesus Christ was our best hope to free ourselves as England did after it forced the masters of usury to leave in 1291 when thereafter English people managed to live prosperous and free and erected some of the finest cathedrals during their history, and when English workers needed to work on average 14 weeks during a full year to afford decent living. But evil has its ways and when you push it out of the door, it can always find its way in through the window or the chimney. We should never fail to give credit for this sorry state of affairs to English ” heroes” like Oliver Cromwell and the besotted lard ass Winston Churchill and their ilk.

    Cheers to freedom despite the odds.

  345. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anounder

    You’re saying Gott didn’t build a great civilizational chain? What makes you say a thing like that, Jew-worshiper?

  346. Tsigantes says:
    @Harbinger

    Bravo

    Jesus Christ King of the Judeans.

    Absolutely clear in the Greek testament.

  347. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harbinger

    All Christians are bought and paid for whores of Zion. Says so right in the Jew Testament, that you’ve betrayed your own blood and soil for a “hundredfold” bribe from a Magical Rabbi.

  348. Tsigantes says:
    @refl

    1) pump Jews out of Europe into the Middle East

    If only, my dear!
    The jewish press claims that jews live in fear and are fleeing to Israel….this is just *talk* i.e. *noise*.
    Jews are not only staying firmly in place here but using such claims to increase their grip inside “anti-semitic” Europe (see European Jewish Congress / Parliament). And scare little European jews.

    Instead, Israelis are busy buying bolt-hole flats in Greece, Italy etc. This not only provides a sanctuary if ME war breaks out but increases the Israeli / jewish presence in Europe…win-win!

  349. @Kevin Barrett

    Dear Kevin, you deserve more respect than me. You are elder in the quest for 9/11 Truth and for “Zion Truth”, and it is thanks to you and a few others that I could be awakened and gather a bit of courage myself. So I cannot help feeling some kind of Oedipian guilt for hurting your feelings and disappointing you. I therefore take this opportunity to explain why I’m doing it anyway.
    In recent years, as I was digging deeper and deeper into the Jewish Question, I started to face a dilemma, first regarding Christianity, then Islam. I was realizing that the root of the problem was the biblical Matrix, shared partly by Christianity and Islam. Yet, for reasons which are obvious enough, I felt important to avoid criticizing Christianity and Islam, since they are basically on the good side. In Russia, Christianity is definitely a major force for the revival of a healthy civilization which needs our full support. So I made a lot of effort not to hurt Christians’ feelings. To no avail: it became uncomfortably obvious, to me as well as to the editors of the Vineyard Saker and Russia Today, who also have my respect and gratitude, that attacking the Old Testament was undermining a pillar of Christianity. There was no way around it. There came a point when I decided to stop worrying about it and focus on my quest for truth, uncompromisingly, trusting that God’s Holy Wisdom was guiding it, and finding encouragement in Ron Unz’s acceptance of my articles.
    I went through the same process with Islam when I started to think about it seriously. My argument in this article has surely some weak points, but nothing I have read in the comments has changed my view. Most criticisms from Muslims focus on my use of Crone and Cook’s book Hagarism, and point out that they are rejected by a majority of scholars. I do have some respect for the scholarly consensus, but that is not the ultimate criterion for truth, is it? They are honest scholars, I have read their book and found it very convincing. And I have found no evidence that they changed their own mind substantially. Anyway, what Crone and Cook are saying is just a little bit more radical than what many other scholars of Islam have concluded. Gordon Newby is basically mainstream, and his conclusions point in the same direction: Islam is an offshoot of Judaism. At bottom, there are only two ways to look at Islam: either Muhammad got all his revelations directly from God’s angel, or he got them from his Jewish environment (with some Christian influence on the side). I categorically refuse to believe that God speaks as the Koran says he did (I have read the Koran). The notion that God speaks sounds silly to me anyway, and even more the notion that he edicts laws.
    As I see it, we are engaged in a war to death against Zion’s evil empire. I’m not sure how God is planning to get us out of that mess, if He is. And I keep feeling the dilemma: are Islam and Christianity parts of the solution, or parts of the problem? Obviously, both. It depends on the perspective. I write from a particular perspective, as everyone does. And obviously, my job is to analyze the problem. This I know. You are aware of the problem, aren’t you? So perhaps your job is to work on the solution. The “truth Jihad” concept is a great idea. It would be best if the problem could be solved from within Islam. Through engaging seriously with the Jewish Question, Islam will have to evolve into something new, or it will remain part of the Jewish problem. Many philosophers from the Islamic world, mostly Persians, have been working on it, I suppose.

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    , @Seraphim
  350. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Thank you for your kind words, my friend!

    I must say that I too am inspired by your devotion and spirituality, by your effort to maintain a positive, spiritual tone, to avoid petty abuse, and spread amity and a sense of God.

    I thoroughly enjoy the exchanges between you and Talha, when you share aspects of your Faith 🙂 You guys elevate this site, and let’s face it, this is one of the darkest corners of the web.

    Yes, I cannot deny that I am dismayed by the wickedness of many Jews. Jews have a concept of the wicked generation that deserves destruction, and is saved only by a righteous few. We are told that many times in our history we have come close to meriting destruction, for deserting God and indulging in wickedness.

    Alas, I dare not speculate as to what this generation of Jews merits! But there is, thank God, always a righteous remnant, and for the sake of a few holy men the world continues.

    The primary obstacle with a “birthright” privilege in religion is that it remains inherently contrary to the understanding of God as One Who Judges us according to our conduct, rather than according to our lineage. The idea is naturally discomfiting, instinctively repellent. We know intuitively that God — being Who He Is — would never ordain something so plainly and oppressively inequitable. It simply flies in the face of reason.

    This is certainly true, and well said. Which is why the issue is so contentious, and gaining clarity so important 🙂

    A wicked Jew does not have any special privilege, regardless of his conduct. He is most certainly not superior to a righteous gentile!

    The privilege is merely that he was born with a special opportunity – but what’s more, others merely have to take one extra step to gain the exact same opportunity!

    And even further, the Jew was born with this special opportunity not merely for his own selfish and personal ends – but so that all of creation and mankind may be redeemed through his actions, and spiritually elevated, that Adam’s sin may be repaired, and the fundamental rift in creation mended.

    That all the nations of the world may be blessed through him.

    Finally, people who chose not to join the Jews in this holy task, do not burn in hell God forbid – but are judged according to their conduct, and the good among them will join the Jews in heaven and the world to come.

    However, such people will indeed not be on the same level as Jew or non Jewish convert who did choose to participate in the holy task of serving God on the highest level, thus perfecting himself and elevating the world.

    But that is surely only natural, and consistent with our ideas of just reward.

    So the question must be asked, is it “fair” that some are born with a head start, with certain advantages in life?

    For we cannot deny that this is the law of the world in every way. To be born Muslim is to be born privileged. To have been the first people to receive the revelation of Mohammed, is to be born privileged.

    Every religion grapples with this issue, and the general consensus is that some mixture of karma and special testing by God are involved in such cases.

    In Buddhism, it is individual karma. In Judaism, it can be said to be “national karma” – resulting from Abraham showing extraordinary faith and devotion to God.

    However, the non Jew who sincerely converts is considered in some ways exceptionally righteous, and his birth may be considered to have been a great test by God.

    And the wicked Jew, may actually annihilate his soul, and more – lowers the level of creation as a whole.

    Now, granted you do not agree with this vision – but is this the sinister, unjust and inhumane vision of Jewish supremacy regardless of conduct that is the caricature?

    And is it so very different from other religions?

  351. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    I want to add one point.

    The notion of the righteous gentile meriting a portion of heaven, though not quite equal to the Jew who fulfilled his task of rectifying the world, originated at a time when the distinction was between Jews and pagans who practiced the 7 noahide laws.

    The 7 laws are quite basic, and even this is enough to earn a share of the world to cone. But it is not devotion on a high level.

    However, religions like Christianity and Islam add an extra layer – such religions are indeed devotion on a high level, a life centered on God, and not mere observance of the 7 laws.

    The Rabbis began to develop a special taxonomy for them, because people whose lives are centered on God cannot be classed among pagans who merely observe the 7 laws.

    I would include Buddhism etc here too, and in Jewish tradition the eastern religions also have a special position.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  352. Seraphim says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    You surely know better, O, Blest Hiram Abif.

  353. Malla says:
    @ploni almoni

    And then is Notre Dame de Paris also a feeler?

    Could be. ((They)) hate European culture and heritage anyways and will be more than happy for the invader Muslims to destroy all traces of European civilization. Check out Sigmund Freud’s hatred for Rome. BTW when the Notre Dame Cathedral was in flames, the Al Asqa was in flames too at the same time. Makes me wonder who was behind the Notre Dame fires in the first place. Under the cover of barbaric behaviour of Muslim youth was there the hand of some ((other)) people, I do not know that is just speculation.

    Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem catches fire at same time as Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris

    But Muslims youths have been attacking Cathedrals, peeing in churches, breaking idols for some time now.

    https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2019/04/18/video-desecration-of-european-churches/

    “While there is no evidence yet that the fire at Notre Dame Cathedral was deliberately set, Raymond Ibrahim, author of Sword and Scimitar, reports that Christian churches in France are being vandalized at the rate of two per day, often by young men described as “youthful rioters with a migration background.””

    BTW European Churches: Vandalized, Defecated On, and Torched “Every Day”
    https://www.raymondibrahim.com/2019/04/15/european-churches-vandalized-defecated-on-and-torched-every-day/

    These Muslim migrants in their greed and hatred for the West are walking into a Zio trap for which they will have to pay later.

    • Replies: @S
    , @S
  354. Malla says:
    @AnonStarter

    The Jews and their Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel are two different Kingdoms. I guess the earlier Arabs/ Muslims were fooled by confusing the two.

    Better explained in the videos below.


    https://www.bitchute.com/video/VU950U1F8lG7/

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  355. @AaronB

    When does the logical fallacy of “begging the question” or assuming what is to be proved become insanity? Dualism leads to circular reasoning, and finally to a deadly closed circuit.

  356. @Laurent Guyénot

    Crone and Cook are not “honest scholars” any more than Wolf Blitzer or Elie Wiesel are “honest journalists.” When you say “I’m not sure how God is planning to get us out of that mess, if He is” are you part of the problem or part of the solution? Christianity and Islam both say that the way that God is going to get us out of this mess is by destroying the world and starting over.

  357. Malla says:

    White people can defeat the coming Dajjal Satanic Jew World order by a simple action. Get married with other White people and have loads of pure White children and bring them up proper and nationalistic. Keep the kids away from Jew created degenerate culture with its porn, Hollywood, promiscuity and lies. like the Amish just keep the TV away. Simple as that. You will not believe how much this simple action will do to put a spanner in the works of the Satanic New World Order. As those two Rabbis said, Whites have to mix out and become extinct before their Messiah (Anti Christ/Dajjal) comes on earth to bring on the Satanic Order.
    That and keeping the Al Asqa Mosque standing AT ANY COST are the two things I can think of right now to defeat the system.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  358. Harbinger says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The only danger that Jews have, from Muslims, is when their facade is destroyed and Muslims realize that they have absolutely nothing to do with the Bible and the Israelites and that Judaism is, a pagan cult of Talmud and Cabala worship. At the moment, they’re held in high esteem because they’re falsely believed to be the Israelites, that is the ancient Hebrews and the chosen people of God. The Koran states that all infidels are those not of the book (Bible) and therefore it shows respect to Christians and Jews. Woe betide everyone else as far as the Koran dictates.

    People don’t care because they’re not interested. They have created a bubble to live in. Inside that bubble is entertainment. That’s their life. The wanton pursuit of constant pleasure.

  359. Harbinger says:
    @Malla

    They’re more scared of whites because whites have, throughout history been the creators of greatness and more so, not only incredibly strong as warriors, but fierce defenders of freedom. Muslims, on the other hand, aren’t the brightest tool in box. Most Muslims are thicker than dog poo. Combining religion with stupidity creates insane zealotry and fanaticism. Muslims are rather good at that sort of thing. They also like to breed with their cousins, dropping the IQ even more. That said, so do the Jews.

    The Hindus will always be at war with the Muslims because of Islamic teachings to destroy the infidels, that is everyone other than the Jews and the Christians. They’re number one in the sights of Islamic aggression, should it arise.

    Yes, the Al Aqsa mosque is on the Jew hit list as it is, as you correctly state, slap bang in the place where they want the temple to be built. As I’ve stated before, the war is not in Palestine but in London. Destroy the Rothschild banking cabal and you destroy Israel. It’s really that simple but people are incapable of joining the dots.

    Hindu fundamentalism had nothing to do with the Jews. It simply had a lot to do with Islamic wars against India. Now whether the Jews had something to do, with the creation of Islam, then well yes, but the rise of Hindu fundamentalism is not really a problem. The rise of China is. The massive technological and manufacturing base that is China today was built by the west (Jewish bankers and corporatists). The elites see the Chinese as the perfect humans. Why? They don’t ask questions and will work until they drop for extremely low wages. The Chinese are a slave class, as are the Africans. They lack the altruism and compassion of the whites. They can be easily controlled.

    • Replies: @Malla
  360. Harbinger says:
    @Malla

    “White people can defeat the coming Dajjal Satanic Jew World order by a simple action. Get married with other White people and have loads of pure White children and bring them up proper and nationalistic.”

    And this is exactly what the Jews have been attacking since the beginning of the 20th century Malla. Those behind communism realized the 5 years of indoctrination was far more damaging to a society and 50 years of warfare. They were very correct. All it took was for the cultural Marxists of Frankfurt, when they fled Germany in 1933, to set up in western universities and indoctrinate their first generation into their ideology and the rest is history. It was the pupils back then who became the professors in the colleges all across America and the UK that drastically changed the very ethos of society through their programming.

    There isn’t a hope in hell that any nationalist party will get into the UK and the rest of the west for that matter. Take the BNP for example. They dropped their ethno nationalism (the only kind of nationalism) and changed it for civic nationalism. This is an oxymoron. You cannot belong to another group of people and their culture if you are of another people and culture. That stated, they still had some good ideas but were destroyed by Zionists. Take Marine le Penn’s Fronte Nationale in France? The only reason it’s making waves at the moment is because, unlike her father, she’s sold out lock, stock and barrel to the Zionists.
    The only kind of nationalism you’re going to see in the west is civic nationalism that promotes immigration of non whites into it, is VEHEMENTLY anti Islam and PRO Zionism. In other words no change. The Jew will control the nationalist parties turning them into nothing more than Shabbos goy anti Islam parties and nothing more.

    The younger generations are gone. They’re FUBAR. They are totally addicted to TV, pop, sport, MOBILE PHONES, films and celebrities. They have been totally programmed to attack anyone who speaks disparagingly of non whites. They will call anyone a hater, racist, homophobe, transphobe etc should anyone speak out against the official narrative on immigration and LGBTQ. Take the young man, in Aberdeenshire, here in Scotland who was expelled for stating there are only two genders? Heck, when I was at school, back in the 80’s the teacher would have been fired, not the pupil. They are saying it’s because he used his mobile phone, but we know that’s not the case.
    The only thing that will change these people of course is Armageddon, a completely world catastrophe that throws everyone into the dark ages and most, if not all the younger generations are lost and we have to start again. They have already been programmed. They cannot be re-programmed because they don’t want to be.

    The damage to western society has already been done.
    It wouldn’t matter if whites started having more babies, because they’ve already been brainwashed into allowing mass immigration and non whites in positions of power and authority. How on earth, a Muslim could EVER have become the mayor of London is completely beyond me, but I know why he was elected. It was another face palm to the indigenous to simply state – WE OWN YOU.

    2060, the west will be Islamic.
    The Al Aqsa mosque will fall and it will be western forces who will be in Palestine doing all the murder for their Zionist overlords.
    They will eventually destroy one another to being an exceptionally small minority, while Greater Israel rises, as a world power, with submarines strategically placed to blow the crap out of any nation that poses them any threat whatsoever. It will be like one of those old sci-fi movies where everyone lives in shit, other than this paradise, encased in a globe where there is peace and harmony for all those within it – JEWS. The Chinese will be the largest ethnic group in the world, but through the control of money, Jews will also be in control of them. There’s also the aspect of submarines threatening to blow the crap out of them should they even contemplate doing wrong to Zion.
    And anyway, the Jews want rid of the world’s population. They want to bring it down to under 500 million people, in order to control far more easily. So, by the time Greater Israel is built there will be between 20 and 30 million Jews, all in positions of power and authority as well as being exceptionally wealthy and those who are surviving will be those who are their slaves.

    There is everything that CAN be done to stop this. Wiping out the Jews for starters would instantly stop this from happening. If not that, the immediate arrest of all, confiscation of their goods and assets, instant imprisonment on an island in the middle of nowhere, heavily guarded to make sure they don’t get up to mischief, having NO contact with the outside world whatsoever and becoming the forgotten people. Once done, the msm and academia can then start educating the people on just who the Jews are to the point that such hatred is created, eventually the world will just invade that land and butcher everyone living within.
    That, however, isn’t going to happen. Life will go on. People will remain blissfully ignorant. Their lives will get progressively worse. They’ll realize all the ethno-nationalists were right and they should have done what they said but when that time comes, they’ll be a tiny minority just waiting for the call of their genocide by their Jewish overlords.

    Like I stated already. We’ve been here many, many times before. Civilizations have come and fallen we have no idea of, millions upon millions of years ago. The same evil that is the Jew was responsible for their obliteration. They too were obliterated by whom, I don’t know, suffice to say there’s been a reset and here we are again, civilisations built and the same evil is destroying them and in turn will be destroyed. If hell exists, we’re living in it. It’s like Groundhog day, however with no salvation for Bill Murray.

  361. Malla says:
    @Harbinger

    Hindu fundamentalism had nothing to do with the Jews.

    Trust me, it has. I cannot prove it now as there used to be blog called “Wide Awake Gentile” which has been scrubbed clean from WordPress which had loads of evidence in this direction. There is a strong Zionist element behind Hindu fundamentalism in India and Buddhist fundamentalism in Sri Lanka. Sounds strange I know, but the Zios have their fingers in a lot of pies.
    There was this documentary on PressTv (The Iranian TV station) about the Bodu Bala Sena, a Buddhist anti Muslim anti Christian fundamentalist party in Sri Lanka. In one part of the document a Buddhist monk not related to the BBS openly blamed Zionists behind the movement. The Israelis have been involved in India and Sri Lanka for a long time. They were deeply involved in the Tamil Tiger vs Sri Lankan Army wars. A company related to IDF Unit 8200 is responsible for the security of the Indian parliament!! They have their fingers in a lot more pies than you think.

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  362. Malla says:
    @Harbinger

    Agree with you with most of your points. However a lot of White people seem to be waking up. Hope it is not too little too late. I do not know if the BNP sold out but they have been destroyed. Some years back they seemed like a serious party but were destroyed by the Satanic Zio establishment especially the BBC.

  363. @AaronB

    I had a thought – you say converts gain a Jewish soul. So do those Jews who leave the religion, become atheists or what not, lose it?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  364. AaronB says:

    @AnonStarter

    I wanted to clarify my point about whites struggling to establish a stable connection to the transcendent and the numinous, and in need of assistance.

    There is no shame in needing assistance. This isn’t an “indictment” of white people. We are religious men, not racists, and we are not condemning any race. That’s what people who operate from the Darwinian biological perspective do.

    Africans need developmental and technological assistance, and whites graciously offered it. Unless you are a white supremacist, there is no shame in the notion that whites historically, and today, stand in need of spiritual assistance.

    This proud notion that whites do not need help goes together with their decadence. In their great days, whites were happy to admit a debt to foreign cultures and spiritual traditions – they knew very well what they were lacking.

    In fact, their decadence can be dated to this new development of pride, this attempt to go it alone and throw off all yokes, and their recovery will go together with a new humility.

    Nor does this mean that when properly assisted, whites cannot achieve a very high spiritual level, both on an individual and communal level.

    But I do not think any honest person can deny that whites have a “problem” with spirituality, a serious and urgent one, and always have, just as Asians struggle with creativity, and Africans needed help developing.

    But they are Gods children just as we all are, and should not be abandoned to their sad materialism, scientism, Darwinism, and ruthless capitalism.

    Because I can tell you right now they will not get out of this on their own.

    Plenty of honest whites have recognized this about themselves – Nietzsche nearly went mad at the spiritual clumsiness and spiritual inadequacy of the Germanic races.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Poco
  365. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    I thoroughly enjoy the exchanges between you and Talha, when you share aspects of your Faith

    Here’s another one – no charge:

    Follow that account (or check in on it once in a while); the images it posts are just breathtaking…imagine what we have to lose if secular post-modernism takes over (a trip to the Modern/Contemporary Art section in any well-known museum should be enough of a warning).

    Peace.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  366. AaronB says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Will answer a bit later today!

  367. @Malla

    /I guess the earlier Arabs/ Muslims were fooled by confusing the two./

    Well, it wouldn’t have been difficult in the least from them to distinguish between the faithful and the deniers, and the history of the corruption of Israel is laid out quite plainly in The Qur’an.

    So, no … They weren’t fooled at all.

  368. @AaronB

    Deus ex machina, sed sine machina.

  369. Harbinger says:
    @Malla

    I do know, for example that Churchill was responsible with Ghandi for the partition of India, that never should have happened. Churchill, a Jew and a Zionist puppet, Ghandi ‘supposedly’ an MI5 agent segregated the Indian peoples which eventually led to more resentment between Hindus and Muslims. But I stand stating that really, Islam’s teaching on infidels is specific – if you’re not of the ‘book’ you’re dogs and should be executed. I will however look more into it.

    As for ‘too little too late’ well, there’s not nearly enough people who have woken up to make any impact. Like I stated, it’s not that something CAN be done about the situation. Something WON’T be done about the situation.
    As for the BNP selling out, well, there is a video showing Nick Griffin telling the audience that when the BNP started having success at the turn of the millennium, they were approached by Zionists from the USA who told them that if they made their main policies the promotion of hatred towards Islam and to leave the banks alone (The BNP were really going after the banks for destroying the economy, especially through debt) they’d support them, most certainly guaranteeing them much more of a voice and seats in Parliament. They refused and they were destroyed, even though anyone who watched Nick Griffin on Question Time, or speaking in the European Parliament would see and exceptionally polite and well read individual. The same with Andrew Brons. I believe that they most certainly approached Marine Le Penn and she accepted, hence the rise of the Front Nationale in France

    Good interview with Nick Griffin on Red Ice Radio.

    • Replies: @Malla
  370. S says:
    @Malla

    BTW when the Notre Dame Cathedral was in flames, the Al Asqa was in flames too at the same time. Makes me wonder who was behind the Notre Dame fires in the first place.

    Arnon Milchan through the mid 1980’s was involved in Israeli intelligence and in greatly aiding Israel’s nucleur weapons program. He is also a major film producer.

    One of his films, Fight Club, has numerous close parallels with ‘911’. Do a search of ‘Fight Club Twin Towers’ and, in particular, check out the final scene of the movie which has multiple buildings (including the Twin Towers) collapsing into their own footprints due to preset controlled demolitions. The script is linked below.

    The international premier date of Fight Club was Sept 10, 1999.

    Milchan also produced a film in 1978 called The Medusa Touch which centers upon a man, named Morlar, who has the ability to simply imagine destruction and it takes place. Early in the film as a child he is shown praying to Lucifer, and later in the film as an adult he declares everyone is a child of the devil.

    By simply envisioning it Morlar murders his parents, his nanny, his wife, his next door neighbor’s wife, seven hundred people involving an aircrash into an office tower (See pic below from the movie’s actual production), and three US astronauts in orbit around the moon.

    Morlar, realizing he has a problem, reaches out to a psychiatrist. Even while in therapy, though, he is working on his next project. He wishes to destroy an important ancient Gothic cathedral located in the capital city which is undergoing renovation work.

    The specific cathedral is pictured below. No, it’s not Notre Dame, but Bristol Cathedral. In the movie it’s set in London, as is the ‘office’ tower destroyed in the plane crash.

    The therapy doesn’t work, and Morlar survives seemingly unsurviveable multiple assassination attempts. Unstoppable and unkillable, and proceeding on to his next great work, imagining the destruction of a nucleur power site, his last words in the film are:

    ‘I am the man with the power to create catastrophe.’

    ‘Unconfirmed reports say that the plane plunged into an office block and exploded’…’the reality, ruined building, ambulance men, broken bodies..’

    Reports are just coming in that a Jumbo Jet has crashed in Central London. Over 300 people are believed to have been on board the plane. Unconfirmed reports say that the plane plunged into an office block and exploded, falling debris has set fire to a cinema and many people have been killed. Traffic in the West End has been brought to a standstill. It’s not yet known what caused the crash.

    ‘I will bring the whole edifice down
    on their unworthy heads’…’why a Cathedral? Because it’s the Church, the Establishment, everything he hates.’

    We’re getting ready for the Thanksgiving Service tomorrow evening. The Queen, the Commonwealth Prime Ministers, it’s for that…I’ve found a way to do God’s dirty work for him. The Royal Chieftain, the parasites and the whole gang of international rabble rousers, are going to bleat to the Almighty nothing in his great Temple to give praise for 3 million pounds. I promise you, the moment they kneel to pray I will bring the whole edifice down on their unworthy heads.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnon_Milchan

    https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=fight-club

    https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=the-medusa-touch

    • Replies: @Malla
  371. @AaronB

    /You guys elevate this site, and let’s face it, this is one of the darkest corners of the web./

    Thank you once again, Aaron.

    Invariably, toes will be tread here. That’s what a medium of smokeless fire does to many people.

    But “one of the darkest corners of the web”?

    I would think it to be a more honest appraisal of what many would like to say openly, though do not for fear of censure, public or private. In that regard, it serves to give them an outlet for their emotions that does not conclude with them dead or locked away. In one respect, they’re already “locked away,” since the very real threat they face for exercising their liberty offline restricts them much as it would an inmate attempting to exercise his own.

    So I’m going have to agree, but only in part. We make of this corner what we will. Many wish to claim it for themselves, but that is simply not the nature of the forum. It cannot be “owned,” and even the site owner strives to maintain transparency outside an occasional comment, announcement, or the impressive literature he himself has penned.

    Of course, I don’t know why the connection to it isn’t secure, but that’s another matter altogether.

    /Alas, I dare not speculate as to what this generation of Jews merits!/

    Nor do I.

    /But there is, thank God, always a righteous remnant, and for the sake of a few holy men the world continues./

    Alhamdulillah.

    /The privilege is merely that he (a Jew) was born with a special opportunity — but what’s more, others merely have to take one extra step to gain the exact same opportunity!/

    Ah, but that “one extra step” is a lifetime, dear Aaron, which tacitly prejudices the others, for the others will never receive the benefit of having been raised in a Jewish household.

    /And even further, the Jew was born with this special opportunity not merely for his own selfish and personal ends – but so that all of creation and mankind may be redeemed through his actions, and spiritually elevated, that Adam’s sin may be repaired, and the fundamental rift in creation mended.

    That all the nations of the world may be blessed through him./

    Adam’s sin was forgiven by God long ago. God does not hold the son accountable for the sins of the father, and vice versa.

    There have been more Messengers of God occupying more localities and eras of the world than we could shake a staff at, and they were not Jews. The distinction of the Children of Israel lies in the uniqueness of the Covenant they established with their Lord.

    That Covenant required of them an obedience to God which would make them a “light unto the nations.” The most significant aspect of it, however, were prophecies concerning two figures: The Messiah and “That Prophet” (See John 1: 20-25 to understand whom the Levites anticipated during the lifetime of Jesus.) The Messiah would give the Good News that “That Prophet” was next to come.

    Those of the House of Israel who knew Jesus for who he was remained faithful Jews, yet, as per his instruction, prepared their progeny for the arrival of Shiloh, the Messenger of the Covenant, who would herald a new epoch in human history — one wherein the privilege of The Book, once enjoyed uniquely by Israel, would be made available to all.

    /So the question must be asked, is it “fair” that some are born with a head start, with certain advantages in life?/

    The Book was certainly an advantage to the House of Israel, as it allowed them to be what others could not. Jeremiah 8:8, however, indicates a corruption of Scripture, making the Law of “no effect,” so though knowledge of The Book had been advantageous, such advantage need be examined against the historical record of this corruption.

    We can quibble about the advantage of being born into one family or another, but after so many centuries of prophetic admonition gone unheeded, that privilege is no longer guaranteed, neither by birth in nominally Jewish households nor in nominally Muslim ones.

    We have ancestors who took a similarly disoriented path, believing that an Arab birthright accorded them an “edge” above other Muslims. The Prophet himself foretold that this would happen to his people, and many are still waiting in vain for the fulfillment of it.

    /To be born Muslim is to be born privileged./

    We say that all are born Muslim, because all are born in a state of pure submission, pleading for relief from the moment they breathe. It is the parents that either serve to maintain a child’s purity in the eyes of God, or serve to corrupt him, and most parents today, whatever they call themselves, do not know God.

    /is this the sinister, unjust and inhumane vision of Jewish supremacy regardless of conduct that is the caricature?/

    I wouldn’t think so, though I would humbly suggest that perceiving oneself as responsible for “fixing the world” is a burden that God does not expect anyone to bear, Jews included.

    Save yourselves and your family from a Fire whose fuel is men and stones.

    And that’s enough to keep us busy a lifetime.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  372. S says:
    @Malla

    I should clarify regarding my previous post, I’m not saying a particular person or group burned down Notre Dame cathedral. At the same time, the film mentioned (The Medusa Touch) should be noted for its content and context.

    Such films makes one wonder (hypothetically) if there are those who believe, in part, in a type of ‘magick’, where simply acting out and creating the vision of something on film, and then broadcasting it, goes a long way towards actually making it happen in reality.

    • Replies: @Talha
  373. AaronB says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Hey, sorry was having a busy day, and I can’t comment too much now.

    But to answer your question, a Jew certainly can be “cut off” from the nation of Israel for certain severe crimes – i.e, he is no longer considered Jewish – and Jews can corrupt and defile themselves to the point where their souls will be utterly extinguished after death, rather than suffer the refining fires of hell (Jewish hell is not so much a punishment as a place where you are spiritually refined so you can stand before your Creator and endure his Light), however only a minority are considered to achieve this miserable fate.

    But the “karmic fate” of having been born Jewish is not easily cast aside, but it can be, yes.

    BTW, I want to say how much it pleases me that you intend to become a farmer and especially then a monk 🙂 I think its great there are still people like you around, and I wish you luck. This dark world needs as many spiritual people as it can get – and I believe that spiritual activity has reverberations throughout the world, even if it is solitary, individual practice.

    You may wish to revisit the ideal of the Boddisattva, who earns Nirvana but delays it out of love for his fellow suffering creatures, in order to save them.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
    , @Poco
  374. AaronB says:
    @Talha

    Thank you, Talha, much appreciated!

    Islamic art is truly one of the glories of your religion and your civilization, an oasis in the parched desert of the World. You should be deservedly proud.

    Art and music are things we Jews can learn from you and Christians as well, and an area that we are sadly deficient in. The supreme Jewish art form has been literary, as evidenced by the unsurpassed sublimity of the Bible.

    Hopefully the coming generations will rectify this.

    • Replies: @Talha
  375. Talha says:
    @S

    The occult is huge in Hollywood; everything from astrology to numerology to occult rituals and practices and symbolism.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @S
  376. Seraphim says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    People willfully disregard that Crone and Cook’s pioneering work ‘Hagarism’ was published in 1987! It certainly contained some hypotheses that have not been confirmed, but in the thirty two years of continuous research that followed, the basic assumptions have been amply confirmed, notwithstanding the opposition of “99+% of Islamic Studies scholars” who would never accept that Armenian, Coptic, Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, Syriac contemporary historical sources, older than any “Islamic sources’, have any validity since they contradict the Koran and are necessarily ‘biased’ since they were written by ‘enemies’ of Islam (Islamophobes avant la lettre). The attitude of caliph Omar towards the Library of Alexandria “If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them; and if these are opposed to the Quran, destroy them”. See for example the continuous suppression of research regarding the Sana’a manuscript (discovered in 1972!).

    You won’t hear much about the serious research of non-Muslim ‘Islamic Studies scholars’ of the Revisionist school, like Christoph Luxenberg, Günter Lüling, Karl-Heinz Ohlig, Gerd R. Puin, John Wansbrough, Carlos Andrés Segovia, (except for doubts about their scholarly credentials or the standard accusation of ‘Zionist stooges’).

    I add for Mr. Guyenot the name of Antoine Moussali and his bibliography:
    “La croix et le croissant” (prix 1998 de l’Académie des Sciences Sociales de Paris), éditions de Paris, 1997
    “Judaïsme, christianisme, islam”, même éditeur, 2000
    “Sept nuits avec un ami musulman”, même éditeur, 2001
    “Musulmans, Juifs et chrétiens. Au feu de la foi”, même éditeur, 2002.

  377. @AaronB

    Well, Aaron … if Scripture is the lens through which the faithful see the world, then we, being among them, must see what it says.

    The prayer of Noah in Genesis 9: 27 reads:

    May God open to Japheth, and let him dwell in the tents of Shem, and may Cana’an serve him.

    The “tents of Shem” refer necessarily to the refuge that would be established by his descendants Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, all of whom rightfully claim heritage in the legacy of their father Abraham.

    Quite contrary to the “Curse of Ham” narrative advanced in later ages to rationalize the treatment of Africans as chattel, Cana’an’s role as “servant” to Japheth entails exemplification of leadership, illustrated by the following account:

    A man who had never met The Prophet nor knew of his physical characteristics sought him out, having heard good about him. When, after some time, he came upon The Prophet, who was serving water to his companions, he inquired:

    “Who here is the master among you?”

    The Prophet replied:

    “The master is he who serves.”

    And so it is with administration. A genuine leader is he who serves others by a humility, patience and generosity that inspire all to be as him.

    As such, Cana’an, far from acquiring a subordinate role in relation to Shem and Japheth, was destined to serve them by the example of his conduct, just as the slave Bilal had done so in proving his willingness to be crushed beneath the weight of a boulder rather than compromise his faith in God.

    ‘Abd, a common prefix of Muslim names, is honorific, conferring upon the named a title such as “Slave of The Merciful,” “Slave of The Truth,” or more simply, “Slave of God.” Such names are intended as perpetual reminders of the Muslim’s position vis a vis his Lord — one that cannot be any other than that of a slave dependent upon his Master for survival.

    There is great honor in the legacy of Noah and that of his sons. It behooves the faithful to make this legacy known for what it is, that none feel excluded from the Promise of God, nor slighted merely by virtue of their lineage.

  378. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    You should be deservedly proud.

    My teachers would frame it thusly; we should be humbled and grateful that Allah swt would manifest such beauty through the hands of this Ummah despite our shortcomings.

    Peace.

    • Agree: AaronB
  379. astounding read…thank you! We can add to the holocaust of Christians at the Mamilla pool the holocaust of Armenian Christians by the domne Jew Young Turks and their replacement Attaturk. That explains their refusal to acknowledge the Genocide and their support in AngloZionist west of Turkish denials for over a century. These vile Jews are the scourge of the earth; they need to come to Christ, repent and be forgiven, not very likely as they are the seed of their father the slanderer satan; the father of lies and the author of death. As the scripture states we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers from on high. The victory in Christ is sealed; getting to his return and establishment of his just kingdom on earth…not so easy.

  380. Malla says:
    @Harbinger

    I do know, for example that Churchill was responsible with Ghandi for the partition of India, that never should have happened.

    The British Government was in no way involved in the partition of India. The partition of India was a elite Muslim response to growing Hindu fundamentalism within the Indian national Congress as well as a fear of retribution from Hindus for 800 years of Islamic misrule. And if you see what is happening in India right now, Jinnah (the leader of the Muslim League which demanded Pakistan) is vindicated.

    Dr Bhimrao Ambedkar the writer of the Indian Constitution wrote

    “If there is any doubt about her dual personality, it has now been dispelled by the Resolution of the Muslim League demanding the cutting up of India into two, Pakistan and Hindustan, so that these conflicts and convulsions due to a dual personality having been bound in one may cease forever, and so freed from each other, may dwell in separate homes congenial to their respective cultures, Hindu and Muslim.
    It is beyond question that Pakistan is a scheme which will have to be taken into account. The Muslims will insist upon the scheme being considered. The British will insist upon some kind of settlement being reached between the Hindus and the Muslims before they consent to any devolution of political power. There is no use blaming the British for insisting upon such a settlement as a condition precedent to the transfer of power. The British cannot consent to settle power upon an aggressive Hindu majority and make it its heir, leaving it to deal with the minorities at its sweet pleasure. That would not be ending imperialism. It would be creating another imperialism. The Hindus, therefore, cannot avoid coming to grips with Pakistan, much as they would like to do.

    If the scheme of Pakistan has to be considered, and there is no escape from it, then there are certain points which must be borne in mind.

    The first point to note is that the Hindus and Muslims must decide the question themselves. They cannot invoke the aid of anyone else. Certainly, they cannot expect the British to decide it for them. From the point of view of the Empire, it matters very little to the British whether India remains one undivided whole, or is partitioned into two parts, Pakistan and Hindustan, or into twenty linguistic fragments as planned by the Congress, so long as all of them are content to live within the Empire. The British need not interfere for the simple reason that they are not affected by such territorial divisions.

    Further, if the Hindus are hoping that the British will use force to put down Pakistan, that is impossible. In the first place, coercion is no remedy. The futility of force and resistance was pointed out by Burke long ago in his speeches relating to the coercion of the American colonies.”

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    , @Harbinger
  381. Talha says:
    @Malla

    And if you see what is happening in India right now, Jinnah (the leader of the Muslim League which demanded Pakistan) is vindicated.

    Are you sure about this? One of the reasons Hindutva fanatics can do what they are trying to do is because the Muslim population is about 15%. If Pakistan and Bangladesh were still part of India, the Muslim population would be between 40-45% and completely change the parameters of discourse. So I think the jury is still out in this one personally.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Malla
  382. Malla says:
    @S

    Wow thanks for this info. I am not surprised, this is called “Predictive Programming”. Programming us for a future planned event.

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  383. Malla says:

    As for the BNP selling out, well, there is a video showing Nick Griffin telling the audience that when the BNP started having success at the turn of the millennium, they were approached by Zionists from the USA who told them that if they made their main policies the promotion of hatred towards Islam and to leave the banks alone

    I am aware of that. That is what I was talking about, the BNP did not sell out and was thus destroyed. They wanted to turn the BNP into a type of EDL, a Zionist controlled European nationalism.

  384. S says:
    @Talha

    The occult is huge in Hollywood; everything from astrology to numerology to occult rituals and practices and symbolism.

    I have little doubt you’re correct.

    You’re response allows me to sedgeway this about The Medusa Touch which is set in London in the UK.

    I’ve mentioned elsewhere at this site that America and Britain in the mid to latter 19th century experienced what is sometimes referred to as an ‘occult revolution’.

    This occurred roughly as the same time period leading up to the formation of the ‘special relationship’ (circa 1900) between the US/UK, where an almost overwhelming hegemony over the world was created by these two countries.

    It wasn’t everybody, or even a majority, but still, quite a lot of people took part. Occultism was mixed in with Protestant Christianity by the adherents of ‘spiritualism’, who believed they were communicating with unseen ‘entities’ and ‘beings’. It was all quite unorthodox.

    Part of this occult revolution involved the exploration of Theosophy. Theosophist have historically had a particular interest in Lucifer, whom they see as having been (as I understand it) ‘misunderstood’. A modern offshoot of the Theosophist has been Alice Bailey and her Lucis Trust, which (accordingly) was originally called Lucifer Trust.

    Lucis Trust is heavily involved in publishing, is a United Nations recognized NGO, and is very supportive of the UN.

    Anyhow, Lucis Trust maintains their offices at 3 Whitehall Court (pictured below) right in the heart of the UK’ s government and military sector in London. To buy a flat in the building can easily cost 4 – 5 million dollars, and leasing is no doubt incredibly expensive as well.

    Safe to say they’re funding is likely coming from more than just ‘a few little old ladies’ sending in monthly dues.

    Right down the hall from their office is another, possibly associated, U.N. support group. [See link below]

    Back to the film, The Medusa Touch, which is largely set in London. Morlor is shown as a child praying to ‘Lucifer’, and later as an adult, declaring that everyone is a child of the Devil.

    A case of ‘art’ reflecting a bit of reality?

    ‘The Lucis Trust says that the name was probably chosen to honor Lucifer.’

    The Lucis Trust’s publishing company was founded in the early 1920s as the Lucifer Publishing Company. The Lucis Trust says that the name was probably chosen to honor Lucifer. The name was changed in 1925 to the Lucis Publishing Company. In Latin lucem ferre means “to bear light” and lucis means of light. The company has headquarters in New York City, London, and Geneva.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucis_Trust

    https://www.lucistrust.org/contact_us

    https://www.una.org.uk/contact-us

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehall_Court

    https://www.192.com/places/sw/sw1a-2/sw1a-2el/

    https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/property/london/whitehall-court/

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    , @Talha
  385. Malla says:
    @Talha

    If Pakistan and Bangladesh were still part of India, the Muslim population would be between 40-45%

    I agree but what I meant was that Jinnah had foreseen this upcoming Hindu fundamentalism phenomenon and at that time the Muslim population was smaller. I must say he was smart, very smart.
    And that brings me to my next question. If a United Indian Subcontinent would have a population that is 35% (aprox 600 million out of 1.6 billion) then why do the Hindu fundamentalists want and constantly talks about an ‘Akhand Bharat’? Add to that a sizable Buddhist population from Sri Lanka and Myanmar/Burma.

    Akhand Bharat is nothing but British Raj India reunited again but Hindus would lose their numerical dominance if it were to happen. From a pragmatic standpoint Hindus would be shooting themselves in the foot. That is exactly why I look at the Hindu fundamentalist movement with suspicion. Something is not right about them, there is a possible Zionist hand behind them.

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  386. Malla says:
    @S

    art of this occult revolution involved the exploration of Theosophy. Theosophist have historically had a particular interest in Lucifer, whom they see as having been (as I understand it) ‘misunderstood’. A modern offshoot of the Theosophist has been Alice Bailey and her Lucis Trust, which (accordingly) was originally called Lucifer Trust.

    Voala, Theosophy. This is a very shady organization. Indeed it was the Theosophical society which partly implanted the seeds of Hindu fundamentalism (traditional Brahmanism was the other force behind Hindu fundamantalism) and Buddhist fundamentalism in Sri Lanka. And the Theosophical Society had links to Kabbalah and Jewish mysticism, probably really originated out of them. The Theosophical society also planted the seeds of the Indian “Independence” Movement. Check out Annie Besant who was a major freedom fighter against the British Raj. In India they were a major anti Christian movement.

    Rockefeller was into Theosophy from the beginning, and he helped bring Vivekananda from India in 1893.

    Western Intelligence (read Zio Bankers) had been trying to destroy Christianity since at least 1875, when Theosophy was created to help do just that. But they played their hand too far and encountered serious backlash in the US in 1966. Rather than quit, Intelligence decided to re-invent the Beatles, creating a brand new PR push and a total repackaging. To counter Christianity, they used the slightly more subtle approach of pushing Hinduism—as with Theosophy. The Beatles suddenly became Hindus and Eastern mystics and all that. At the same time, Intelligence imported the manufactured drug culture into the Beatles’ regimen, including pushing LSD and other drugs. Many of the 60’s bands were turned into drug pushers on purpose by intelligence. These drugs were one of the top weapons of Intelligence against Traditional Western Society coupled with the Intelligence controlled hippie and the anti-war movement.

    • Replies: @S
  387. Talha says:
    @S

    Very interesting stuff, thanks for pointing it out.

    Peace.

  388. Talha says:
    @Malla

    From a pragmatic standpoint Hindus would be shooting themselves in the foot.

    That Hindutva are aligned with Zionists is of little doubt, but I think much of their miscalculation can be chalked up to incompetence. Extremists and fanatics tends not to be the sharpest knives in the set; just look at ours – they pissed off so many people (Muslims and not) that their pipe-dream caliphate collapsed in record time – hell the Qarmatis and Hashashin lasted longer than them.

    So, you know, don’t expect much in the way of long term vision with these sorts of people.

    Peace.

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    , @Malla
  389. Talha says:

    Ey tu, Brazil?

    Bolsonaro, reaches to make it count for the cameras:

    Peace.

  390. S says:
    @Malla

    I am not surprised, this is called “Predictive Programming”. Programming us for a future planned event.

    YW.

    Relatedly, I think people are being conditioned that WW III and it’s global destruction is unavoidable. It has been ‘foretold’. [WW III is apparently an integral part of this present manufactured dialectic leading to the theoretical final ‘synthesis’ of Capitalism and Communism]

    If a person really wants to see something that will blow their mind, do an image search of ‘Logan’s Run Washington DC ruins’. Logan’s Run was a 1976 movie.

    Unless this course is somehow changed, people who have survived might actually live to see scenes that remarkably look like these images.

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    , @Malla
  391. @AaronB

    Thank you for your kind words 🙂 I agree that the human world mostly tumbles on because the few that are spiritual keep it from turning a darker turn, and it saddens me to see it falling back into materialism again.

    The boddhisattva goal, because it acknowledges ‘I’ within the framework if rebirth, is a layperson’s goal imo. I think Mahayana and Theravada should live together, acknowledging the two different paths for two different shades of spiritualism.

    But I wouldn’t say the monkhood of Dhamma is entirely solitary. Monastery life may have made it more so, and I prefer the resurgent forrest tradition. A monk works primarily to fix themselves, before helping others. Boddhisattvas mainly fix others, before helping themselves. In this respect, given https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.095.than.html, I would say monkhood is superior because it primarily engages in the third and not the second type of change.

    But both monks and boddhisattvas help others and themselves respectively. Monks must be part of a community, receiving charity for spreading Dhamma to others. This is why I prefer the homeless tradition, as the Buddha practiced – less removed. 🙂

    In the end though, both monks and boddhisattvas practice the fourth aspect in the link above, though with different emphasis, so to each their own!

    May I say I am glad to be having this chat as well – I very much like this site because there are people here who are still willing to engage in a meaty exchange of ideas with those they may not fully agree with. Between debate, force, and ignorance, only one doesn’t lead to violence, and we are starting to really lack it within our societies again!

  392. @Harbinger

    What you are stating here should be compared with Albert Pike’s ” Three Wars Letter” written to his Freemasonic pal Juseppe Mazzini in 1871. The only difference is that according to this letter, which up to today has proven exceptionally prophetic, the Zionists and the Jews will ultimately be subjugated along all the people of other religions to the reign of Lucifer after a war that sets the Muslim world against the Zionist one. I wonder if what Pike meant by the Zionist world is actually the current Western world.

    Was in your opinion the extremely powerful high level mason Pike another Zionist stooge unable to guess that the reign of Lucifer is the same as the rein of the Jews? I am asking the question without having an opinion.

    BTW, Deagle.com, which I suspect of being some kind of high level intelligence site, put forward its demographic predictions for all the countries of the world for 2025. And guess who looks like will be destined for the cull: Westerners in the U.K., USA, France, Germany, Italy etc… The figures are frightening and if we are to take them seriously then should we expect this kind of demographic decline in the West to be an economic, social and cultural implosion or a result of a nuclear war.

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  393. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Thank you for your interesting reply.

    Well, my main desire was merely to elucidate the notion of the chosen people, place it in its proper context and show that it has rough analogues in other religions while retaining distinctive features, and strip it of the sinister Darwinian accretions it has acquired at the hands of modern secular materialists.

    I appreciate that many people will still object to it, of course, and I thank you for spelling out your objections lucidity and intelligently.

    Adam’s sin was forgiven by God long ago. God does not hold the son accountable for the sins of the father, and vice versa

    Correct. However, there is an underlying unity beneath all creation. Everything we do has reverberations throughout the world.

    Judaism teaches that Adam did repentance, which should have wiped clear his sin.

    But we learn from this that some things cannot be so easily undone, and our actions have cosmic effects, even if we can save our own souls. This invests our behavior with tremendous significance.

    We are not the insignificant ants of modern secular science. We are cosmic agents, sparks of God Himself.

    We have ancestors who took a similarly disoriented path, believing that an Arab birthright accorded them an “edge” above other Muslims

    But this is something quite different. To become Muslim is to join the Arab people, in a sense. To continue to see the born Arab as superior after that is not the same.

    The convert to Judaism is a fully fledged member of the community with all its rights and responsibilities.

    We can quibble about the advantage of being born into one family or another, but after so many centuries of prophetic admonition gone unheeded, that privilege is no longer guaranteed

    But the Bible teaches that God may scatter and disperse the Jewish people, may chastise them and eradicate the majority, but will never fully abandon them. He will always remain faithful to a remnant, who remain faithful to him.

    Aside from that, birth always conveys advantage – merely being exposed to holy teaching and good people is an advantage that some people lack.

    We must accept this apparent unfairness as part of Gods providence. It is offensive to liberal sensitivities, but we precisely are not liberals.

    There have been more Messengers of God occupying more localities and eras of the world than we could shake a staff at, and they were not Jews

    I accept there have been many holy and inspired people in all the nations of the world, but God chose Jews for a special holy task, and allowed anyone who so wishes to join them in this wonderful work.

    In Judaism, we say God offered the Torah to all the nations first – in other words, Jews shouldn’t feel that God chose them right away because of some innate superiority.

    Only after everyone rejected it did He offer it to the Jews. And lest Jews feel smug about being the only ones perceptive enough to accept it, we are taught that the Jews almost rejected it also, and God, in his exasperation had to threaten us with Mount Sinai over our heads.

    These traditions are obviously allegorical, but they should go some way towards adding nuance to so called Jewish “supremacism”.

    We say that all are born Muslim, because all are born in a state of pure submission, pleading for relief from the moment they breathe. It is the parents that either serve to maintain a child’s purity in the eyes of God, or serve to corrupt him, and most parents today, whatever they call themselves, do not know God

    Interesting. This sounds very much like Rousseau and his idea that society is the primary agent of corruption. There is much truth here, I think.

    However, this does not address the question of cosmic privilege – one born to the wrong parents is obviously at a disadvantage.

    I wouldn’t think so, though I would humbly suggest that perceiving oneself as responsible for “fixing the world” is a burden that God does not expect anyone to bear, Jews included.

    Thank you for agreeing the notion of the chosen people, while something you still object to and cannot accept, is not the sinister caricature people interpreting it in secular Darwinian context make it out to be.

    This is perhaps an interesting difference between us. To me, the notion of focusing entirely on my own salvation seems not quite right. The notion that my efforts at self perfection and uniting myself to God actually helps creation as a whole, that it makes someone 3,000 miles away find it easier to be good and kind and save his soul, more, that my actions actually repair corruption at the basic level of reality, is gratifying, even thrilling.

    On the one hand I am dust beneath my Creator’s feet, but He has willed that my actions also have cosmic significance relating to the very fabric of the world.

    On the hand, uniting with God is my foremost goal, but within that is contained a natural mechanism that assists other suffering humans and unites me to them.

    Quantum mechanics, also, reveals this underlying unity.

    However, I would agree that the emphasis should be on saving our souls, perfecting ourselves, and uniting with God – however, our own self perfection demands we never forget the greater whole of the world and the rest of humanity.

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  394. @Seraphim

    The Library of Alexandria was destroyed when the Christians destroyed the Temples of Alexandria in 392 and Alexander the Great’s tomb had to be disguised as “Saint Mark” to escape the carnage.

    Er scheint mir, mit Verlaub von euer Gnaden,
    Wie eine der langbeinigen Zikaden,
    Die immer fliegt und fliegend springt
    Und gleich im Gras ihr altes Liedchen singt;
    Und läg er nur noch immer in dem Grase!
    In jeden Quark begräbt er seine Nase.

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    , @Seraphim
  395. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @S

    This photo/still isn’t from the Movie Logan’s Run.

    It’s from Planet of the Apes

    The Original One(s) with Charleton Heston.

    • Replies: @S
  396. Talha says:
    @Talha

    I think much of their miscalculation can be chalked up to incompetence.

    I mean, honestly, the stupidest part of that entire proposal is that; a) Afghanis in any shape or form want to be part of some united sooper-India and b) India could actually do anything about it if the Afghans refused to join.

    • Replies: @Malla
  397. S says:
    @anonymous

    Thanks. Yes, I’m aware. It was understood they’re separate movies.

    I was suggesting doing an image search for Logan’s Run movie pics for additional of that type from a wholly different source.

  398. Talha says:
    @ploni almoni

    Yeah, I’m not sure that has real traction any more than the “CAliPh OmAr BuRnED iT!” narrative:
    “These latter two events involving Patriarch Theophilus and Caliph Omar are historically unsubstantiated. Writer Uwe Jochum comments that ‘intead of squeezing the sources in search of absolute truth, we should be aware that both lines are telling a political story reflecting the basic myths of western civilization…’”
    Disaster Theory: An Interdisciplinary Approach to Concepts and Causes

    A great concise article on the subject is here – basically a whole bunch of people want to blame a whole bunch of other people because they are pissed off at them for various reasons. Makes for good fiction, not reliable history though:
    https://ehistory.osu.edu/articles/burning-library-alexandria

    Peace.

  399. Harbinger says:
    @Malla

    Britain controlled India, therefore any partition of it would ultimately be up to them. More so, the British government were puppets of the Crown Corporation of the City of London (Rothshchild). Ghandi was an MI5 spy. Join the dots. There are many websites stating this on the internet, obviously not in the msm.
    https://gandhi-a-big-blunder.blogspot.com/

    • Replies: @Malla
  400. S says:
    @Malla

    Thanks for your insights. I checked out Annie Bessant. It’s a remarkable story and very involved/murky as you allude.

    Yes, the 1960’s had a big push regarding all things India. Nehru jackets were big and ‘spirituality’ too which (at least purportedly) was said to be Indian in origin.

    Regarding the promotion of drug use in the US and the demoralizion due to the perceived defeat of the Vietnam War, stripping things down to their bare essence, it looks like ‘the powers that be’ were simply recreating what was done to China, ie flooded with opium and then crushed militarily in the Opium Wars, all for the purpose of creating societal breakdown and disorder, whilst simultaneously making a pretty penny in profits.

    Unlike with China though, rather than the barrel of a gun being used to promote drugs, much more effective positive reinforcement was used instead via the corporate mass media, ie the ‘rock musicians’, movies, etc. [They found out in China the act of using a gun creates it’s own resistance.]

    I see the quazi and ersatz Hindu spirituality promoted at the time in the US/UK and the West as part of that positive reinforcement effort. It was, as you say, an attack upon Christianity, too, by simple displacement. [I think it’s probably wise to retain a certain leeriness of the more purely Theosophical aspect and their motivations regarding these things as well.]

    Of course, the problem, then as now, within the Anglosphere and the West is (at minimum) to denounce what they’ve been doing, and separate one’s self and people from these corrupt elites and hangers on; better still, remove them from power and stop outright their activities, and then allow for healing of the people’s of the world, and of humanity as a whole.

    Much of that’s easier said than done to be sure.

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    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  401. @Seraphim

    I add for Mr. Guyenot the name of Antoine Moussali and his bibliography

    thanks, I’ll definitely check it out.

  402. Harbinger says:
    @Joe Levantine

    The letter from Pike to Mazzini (the ‘M’ in MAFIA by the way) is incredibly odd. Why? Judaism is Zionism and Freemasonry is Talmudism for the goyim. The ‘end’ game is the building of the Temple of Solomon and crowning of the new world emperor – antichrist. This is what Freemasonry has been working for, from day one. This is all about Judaism, so to state that Zionism will destroy itself against Islam is incredibly odd and confusing. Maybe he meant the ‘Christian’ Zionists would destroy themselves against Islam, protecting Zion perhaps?

    Firstly one has to understand that pre KJV bible the word Jew didn’t exist. Instead the was the word Judean. Judea, was like any western country today – full of people of all races, all nationalities, worshipping many different religions. The Jews are not, nor ever were the Israelites/Hebrews. The bible has nothing to do with them at all. They were simply a powerful priest class, at the time of Christ – Pharisees. Christ ALWAYS spoke in parables around the Jews. When he speaks of coming back for his ‘flock’ he’s speaking of his fellow Israelites, not Jews, (Judeans) who never worshipped his father. There is much belief, that the lost tribes of Israel moved into the west and became the European peoples. The old bibles do speak of the fact that Adam and Eve were technically the first white peoples on this earth. The new bibles say they were the first, which is a lie. Older bibles speak of other peoples at the time.

    Secondly, a Jew is anyone who wants to be a Jew. There is no racialism of Jews. Judaism is simply the worship of the Cabala and the Talmud, nothing more.

    Pike was an incredibly evil man. Was he a Zionist stooge? Well, Freemasonry is Zionism as stated, so it’s very likely that he was.

    Europe will be Islamized by 2060 as I’ve stated and nothing will be done to stop this, that is Muslim procreation rate. Europeans will most certainly be a minority in Europe by the end of this century, if not 20 years before. Again, that won’t be stopped. You need to understand Joe, you are simply living within the pages of a book, you have no control over the epilogue. It’s already been written. Read the Protocols of Zion to understand the end game, or Orwell’s 1984/Huxley’s Brave New World Revisited. The New World Order has been on going now for millennia. We’re simply reaching the end goal of the creation of Greater Israel and the building of the Third Temple.

    Jeffrey Epstein was recently arrested. He’s going to court. They’ve known all along that Epstein was a pedophile and his ‘Lolita Express’ and luxury island home was a playground for the rich and famous. The Clintons were heavily involved with him. But they never brought this out with Hillary. Although they bankrolled Hillary, she couldn’t become president because they knew she was very ill. They wanted her badly, because had she been elected the world would certainly be at war as she’d have bombed Iran within a month of being in office. Instead they put in Trump and now they’re trying to remove him, because although he’s a puppet, that they control, just as they did Clinton and every other politician in the USA, he’s not attacking Iran. They need war with Iran to destabalize the region and to stop them attacking Israel when they destroy the Al Aqsa mosque and start the building of the Third Temple, annexing all of Jerusalem off for Jews and kicking out Muslims. Iran is and always has been a huge problem for Israel, more so also because of history. Read the story of Esther, Haman and the festival of Purim.

    The west, every politician, every msm outlet, every bank, every academic institution is under the control of Jews. The people are utterly oblivious to not realize that the very people who will genocide them are in charge of every piece of information, control and influence in their lands. When I speak of removing the Jews I do so simply because of numbers. Even if 14 million of the 15 million Jews in this world are innocent, it doesn’t matter. Unless they are stopped they WILL destroy 6 billion of the world’s population in their various ways – war, disease, vaccine, starvation…. So on the grand scale of things, what’s more important? The lives of 14 million innocent Jews or the lives of 6 billion innocent non Jews? And anyway, the overwhelming majority of Jews are Zionists. That makes them guilty by default.
    The biggest mistake, the world ever made, other than the Isrealites NOT doing GOD’s bidding and removing the peoples he told them to (who are now incidentally the Jews), was not siding with Hitler in his bid to destroy Russia and Communism, give Europeans their homeland and of course, removing all Jews from positions of power, authority and influence and shipping them off to some island, where they could be locked up and monitored, while the rest of the world lived in harmony with one another. Instead, by fighting Hitler, they destroyed their own future and essentially cut the throat of their own civilisation. Then again, what could they do? They failed to see that the very enemy they should have been fighting, were the ones controlling their politicians, aristocracies and nations.

    Nothing will be done to stop what’s been planned. People will, eventually wake up, but that time will only come when they’re on their knees, about to have their head lopped off with a machete. I think that will really be poetic irony, quite frankly. People have been warned, throughout history of the Jew and they still deny it, even though the evidence of their hatred of non Jews has been on the wall for millennia. If people are going to watch, do nothing, so as not to offend, while their civilisation is ripped apart, foundation by foundation, then they don’t deserve one. And western women have played right into the hands of the Jews. They are so easily controlled, have been given incredible power over man and free reign to murder their offspring, while chasing careers, to make money so they can have their superficial and materialistic lifestyle, having sex with as many men as they want, thus losing all ability to pair bond. They end up growing older, having no children, extremely bitter and hateful, old hasbeens who no man wants, with all moneys they’ve earned and property purchased, eventually taken by the state when they end up in an old folk’s home, with most certainly a mental health condition.
    Feminism, second wave, incidentally was created by men hating, lesbian Jewesses. Feminism is the hatred of men, by women who think their men and can do anything a man can but better. The madness we live in, in the west has very much been down to the legalisation of homosexuality and giving them positions of power, authority and influence. The LGBTQ is the new avant-garde of the Jews. The blacks are still very much one of their tools, but the LGBTQ, they’ve given incredible power to, that anyone who criticises them is destroyed. In other words, they’ve taught the blacks and LGBTQ vicitim mentality and they’re milking the whites and heterosexuals for everything they can get.

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  403. S says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Yes, should you have the time and opportunity, would be glad to hear your thoughts.

    Ought to have included the link below as well.

    [Fon Belcher is an apparent distant relation of Jonathan Belcher, who was a royal governor, founder of Princeton, and ‘first native born’ Freemason in British North America.]

    Cheers!

    http://www.belcherfoundation.org/camerica.htm

  404. Malla says:
    @Talha

    Extremists and fanatics tends not to be the sharpest knives in the set

    Some of the lower level hindutvas are real low IQ brainwashed crackpots. There is really No THREAT to Hinduism in India from any other religion. Hindus are the big majority, we Hindus are free to go to our temples and have our festivals. The whole movement is pointless.

  405. @Harbinger

    I agree with most of what you write but I can’t see an Islamic West being more pro Israeli than the current one. No way would it will allow Jews to destroy the Al Asqa mosque or proceed with their Greater Israel project. And the idea that by then Islamic western soldiers would be going to Palestine to enforce the Jew’s will on the Arabs is far-fetched. I see a greater danger of the Jews then trying to turn the Islamic west against Russia and Easter Europe, and vice versa, to distract from whatever they’ll be up to in Palestine.

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  406. Malla says:
    @Talha

    I mean, honestly, the stupidest part of that entire proposal is that; a) Afghanis in any shape or form want to be part of some united sooper-India a

    I told you they are idiotic crackpots. How are they gonna take Tibet out of China? Will Myanmar, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Nepal give up without a fight? I think this is a long term plan of theirs, they wish to move towards it slowly. But this bullying attitude of the Indian deep state is actually pushing most South Asian countries like Sri Lanka and Nepal into the arms of China.
    The Brahmanical Hindutva Indian deep State is literally merging into the Zionist Western/Israeli deep state, I kid you not.

    Hey BTW did you see this new Hindi series on netflix called Laila. Man ,it is a dystopian 1984 like show about the future of India now renamed Aryavarta. You have big brother and ‘brave new world + 1984’ like future Hindutva Orwellian fundamentalist society.
    And guess what even before I saw this series, I had written on Unz that I fear India is moving towards a Hindutva Soviet Union where instead of Communism they would use Hindutva to control the people to make a slave society. And a few days later, I come across this show called Laila, I fell off my chair.I have a deep feeling, this is the future of India, it looks like some kind of predictive programming. Obviously the Hinduvadi crackpots are all calling for this show to be banned.

    Leila’ Is a Show That Will Force You to Re-Think
    Show review in English (for those who do not understand Hindi)

    Leila trailer in Hindi (English subtitles).
    A 1984 + brave new world dystopian future India. I suspect in the mind of Hindutvas elites this Aryavarth includes all of South Asia, Akhand Bharat.

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  407. Malla says:
    @Harbinger

    Instead, by fighting Hitler, they destroyed their own future and essentially cut the throat of their own civilisation.

    Yes, that was us Goyims best last chance. The Third Reich was definitely one of the best Goyim resistance in human history.

  408. Malla says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I see a greater danger of the Jews then trying to turn the Islamic west against Russia and Easter Europe, and vice versa, to distract from whatever they’ll be up to in Palestine.

    That is a very interesting possibility. It may also happen that most Western European Whites may migrate to Eastern Europe to escape from the Multiracial hellhole of Western Europe. Maybe in the future there might be the need to build a new ‘Berlin Wall’ but this time to keep non White invaders from coming into the East rather than preventing Easterners from escaping to the West.

  409. Malla says:
    @Harbinger

    More so, the British government were puppets of the Crown Corporation of the City of London (Rothshchild).

    The British Empire in India had its good side and bad. The bad was obviously the City of London bankers and their exploitation, the good side was those scores of British men and women of high moral character who helped in the improvement of India.

    And BTW the Zio elites themselves destroyed the Empire.

    In the 1920’s , the Maharajah of Kashmir asked Sir Arthur Lothian, “why the British government was establishing a ‘Yehudi ka Raj’ (Rule of the Jews) in India?”. The Viceroy of India then , Lord Reading, was a Jew, the Secretary of State of India at that period, Mr. Edwin Montague, was a Jew, the High Commissioner, Sir William Meyer, was a Jew.

    When the Jewish Edwin Montague was selected to be the Secretary of State of British India, Harry Mcloed Fraser in his book Truth (1921), said that Montague had created anarchy all over the Indian subcontinent to organise Asia’s mute millions into a human avalanche to overwhelm Western Civilisation. Jews, Fraser maintained, were seeking to discredit and and weaken the British connection under the guise of forwarding Indian Nationalism, merely in order to make Jewish control and dominion more complete. He further added that ‘The British Raj has for a good many years, become less and less British and more a Jew Raj’, and conlcuded that Indian Swaraj (self government) ‘merely means Jewish Raj’

    AND GUESS WHAT. During the reign of Montague we see the Montague Clemsford reforms, where Edwin Montague openly writes that 95% of Indians are happy with British rule but the British givernment will itself create Indian Nationalism!!! It is during his tenure that we see a huge rise in anti British mass movements which led to eventual Indian (and Pakistani) independence in 1947.

    In 1921, Harry Mcloed Fraser warned about Jews organising Asia’s mute millions into a human avalanche to overwhelm Western Civilisation!!!!! In 1921 he was warning about mass migration to Europe which started in practice after WW2 and is now truly an avalanche. In 1921!!!

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  410. Poco says:
    @AaronB

    Man I hate you people’s vain, self righteous, superior guts and liver. Of whatever religion.

  411. Talha says:
    @Malla

    Wow – looks like a very interesting show – quality of cinema in India has really improved. Not surprised Hindutva guys want it banned.

    I might look into it after I wrap up the Ertugrul series (also on Netflix).

    Peace.

  412. Malla says:
    @S

    Thanks for your insights.

    Welcome Bud.

    It’s a remarkable story and very involved/murky as you allude.

    What is even more murky is that the Theosophist (who gave rise to right winged Hindutva in India as well as right winged Buddhism in Sri Lanka) went to the West to become Fabian Socialists. basically spreading Communism slowly, incrementally. They were a type of Frankfurt School before the official Cultural marxist Frankfurt School was even formed. Note, support for the right wing in India but for the Left wing in the West. This is very important. The Zio elites wish to enforce Communism in the West using the non Whites, Homosexuals etc… as the vehicle of revolution (like how the Working Class was used against the Middle Class in the past) against Whites to finally destroy Western Civilization. . But in India they are pushing for Right wing Hindutva. Two opposite seeming ideologies controlled and promoted by the same Globalist elites to attain their own goals.

    be’ were simply recreating what was done to China, ie flooded with opium and then crushed militarily in the Opium Wars, all for the purpose of creating societal breakdown and disorder, whilst simultaneously making a pretty penny in profits.

    Very true, but you forget Vietnam. In Veitnam the CIA had Operation Phoenix where they drugged the Vietnamese society as a pilot test. No wonder one of the biggest producers of opium (and thus heroin) outside Afghanistan is the Golden Triangle in South East Asia encompassing Burma/Myanmar, Thailand and Cambodia. There was this American guy (I forgot how), whose podcast I had heard years ago. His dad was in military intelligence during Vietnam but after retirement he kept the secrets of the war to himself in a professional manner. But one day he calls his son (the guy whose podcast I was listening to) and tells him the truth about Vietnam. His father tells him ‘Communism is one big scam, the Vietnam war was not about fighting Communism, it was about drugs’.
    So after the drugging of Vietnamese people, the Zio elites now pushed drugs on the people of America and the West, pushing LSD during the CIA controlled counter culture movement. And this is not surprising at all if you think about it, these elites are the same guys who made a lot of money in the opium trade with China. The same elite Americans who include the Forbes family (John Kerry is related to them), President FD Roosevelt’s Delano side of his family, Jewish Sassoons who marry into the Rothschilds, Yale university and skull and bones. All were involved. Strangely Skull and Bones and Yale University who made so much money out of the Opium trade later supported Mao (Mao was a Yali) and help install Chairman Mao on the Chinese people. So loot China, and use the looted money to force Communism on the Chinese people. Wow. Even many powerful Indian tycoon families were involved in this opium trade including possibly the ancestors of Gandhi’s family (though this is a bit of speculation yet as I have nothing concrete on this yet). So these families have been drug pushers for centuries but now their new victims were the population of the West. Also in the Middle Ages in Europe, Jews were known to be involved big time in medicine and drugs. Jews were also big in the Sugar plantations of the Caribbean (Bob Marley’s Dad was Jewish and his descendants are settled in Israel). Sugar too is a kind of drug, it has the same effect on the brain as cocaine as seen in fMRI scans. Isn’t the excessive consumption of Sugar (Coca Cola/Pepsi anyone?) destroying the health of millions around the World today?

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  413. Malla says:
    @S

    If a person really wants to see something that will blow their mind, do an image search of ‘Logan’s Run Washington DC ruins’. Logan’s Run was a 1976 movie.

    Thanks I will have a look.

  414. Poco says:
    @AaronB

    Roll your assistance up in a ball. Now, shove it as hard and as far up your posterior fundament as possible. Who asked you? Leave us alone. Be gone. Fookin busybody assholes.Gladys Kravitz wannabes. Abner! The Goy need assistance. Damn!

  415. Malla says:
    @S

    And do not forget all this coincided with Cultural Marxism, most of them cultural Marxists like Theodor Adorno (heavily involved with the Beatles), Marcuse, Hochheimer were all Jews. They ran away from Germany when Hitler came to power and they all ended in the USA. Hitler and the National Socialists were crushing down on degenerate Art and promoting healthy art. The German National Socialists encouraged German workers to go to Operas.
    And how to these Cultural Marxists scumbags repay their gratitude to the USA and UK, the countries that gave them refuge? Why, by working to destroy their traditional culture. So soon you have homo erotic art, modern art where vomit kept in some corner is considered ‘art’, pop music. They had access to television channels (CBS & BBC), universities and were deeply connected to the Rockefellers, CFR in USA and Royal Society/Chatam House in the UK.
    Again this coincides with slimey Hindu conmen ‘gurus’ like Maharishi (transcendental meditation), Osho Rajneesh and a flood of others allowed into the West at the same time. All were linked to the CIA, CFR and the Royal Society in Britain. We also see the coming up of weird cults like Jim Jones, the Korean based Moonies etc… All CIA/MI6 linked. All of them. They wanted to destroy Western Civilization.
    Jews have always hated Western Civilization from the time of Ancient Greece and probably earlier. Check out how the Jew Sigmund Fraud (yes Fraud, that is what he was) hated hated hated Rome. In the historic struggle in between Carthage and Rome, he sides with Carthage and was full of despair that Aryan Rome won. The Carthagians were after all related to the Phoenicians and Moloch worshipers. Destruction of European/ Western civilization is what all this is about. Don’t you see how things have become worse in the West. From Classical Music to the slide to Gangsta Rap. Soon they will promote jungle tribal music. So a deep downward slide from Mozart and Baroque culture to jungle dancing. Wow, what a fall!!!!
    But in the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact Eastern European countries where Jews had lost power (not completely but partially) a movement was spreading which was the mirror opposite to Cultural Marxism, this movement was ‘Social Realism’. See when the Russian Revolution took place the Bolsheviks were forcing on the Russian people (who were quite traditional) all this cubist art, modern art, homo erotic art, destruction of the family, 2nd wave feminism etc…. This caused a great societal destruction of Soviet Society. But since Stalin and his crushing of many powerful jews, Jews were still in power but now they had to share power with others like ethnic Russians etc… These new elites were definitely not interested in homoeoritc art like the Jews. So they promoted healthy art, the message was Communism but the art used was traditional. So there was a complete reversal, Western Europe/North America/ Australia was taking a complete opposite trajectory to what the Warsaw Pact nations were taken. This is a major reason why Eastern Europe even after going through so much in the last century is still healthier culturally then Western Europe and North America. Not surprisingly the CIA was working hard to destroy this Social Realism phenomenon.

  416. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Revilo Oliver does write about Edwin Montagu thus
    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/Enemy_3.html

    “In 1949, Great Britain had already begun to destroy herself, and although some mental and moral deficiency in the English must be regarded as the primary cause, it could be argued that the fatal folly was a consequence of the initial blunder that was made when D’Israeli was injected into the British peerage. A Jew named Samuel, who showed his contempt for the English by assuming the illustrious Norman name of Montagu, so enriched himself by his depredations in banking and international finance that his friend, Kind Edward VII, ennobled him with the good Anglo-Saxon name of Baron Swaythling. (Si quid sentiunt Manes, the ghost of the first King Edward, who had tried to run the Jews out of England in 1290, must have gibbered in fury at the act of his namesake.) The “British” Baron’s son became Secretary of State for India in 1917 and worked, sometimes slyly, sometimes almost openly, to undermine British rule in India and to arouse among the natives discontent that could be used as a pretext for further sabotage of the Empire. In collaboration with Viscount Chelmsford, who was closely tied by marriage to the Goldmans and may have had Jewish genes himself, and who became Viceroy of India in 1916, “Montagu” prepared in the name of the King’s government an official and astounding report on India–astounding because its authors were not attainted for high treason. The crucial section of the long and rambling document is cited by General Hilton in his Imperial Obituary. The report bewailed the deplorable fact that 95% of all the peoples of India were happily content under British rule and hoped for its continuance. It was therefore England’s duty, the titled saboteurs said, to “bring about the most radical revolution” in India to enable the 5% of malcontents to terrorize and suppress the “pathetically contented” 95% and thus prepare India for “nationhood,” i.e., for perpetual rioting, the venomous racial animosities that always accompany multi-racial societies that are not under foreign rule, large-scale massacres, savage atrocities, and contemptuous hatred of white men.
    The work of dismembering the British Empire was carried on by a Jew residing in England, Rufus Isaacs, who was rewarded for his involvement in the malodorous Marconi scandal (18) by being successively created Baron, Viscount Earl, and finally Marquess of Reading, Lord Chief Justice (!) of England, and Viceroy of India, where he made a feint of maintaining British rule while sapping its foundations. (19) His fellow tribesmen ran interference for him in England by a standard ploy, using their increasing control of the English press to publicize shrill protests that he was “brutally” failing to truckle sufficiently to the “aspirations” of babbling babes, whose minds had been stuffed with “democratic” verbiage in British schools. And so, in 1947, the British ignominiously retreated from their largest colonial possession, and the Hindus and Moslems promptly began to massacre each other on a scale that brought joy to the hearts of the apostles of “self-determination.” And the “Republic of India” and Pakistan were created as enemies of our race and civilization.

    (18. A typical financial operation carried out by artfully depressing the value of Marconi stock in both England and the United States to induce its owners to sell for a fraction of its worth and then artfully inflating its value to sell it to the public for more than it was worth. It involved the bribery of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, an unprincipled opportunist named Lloyd George, by the common device of “selling” him at depressed prices stock for which he would not be expected to pay until it greatly increased in value (it soared suddenly to twelve times its former price). English newspapers that were still in English hands sometimes caricatured Lloyd George as a little boy traveling under the escort of his two Jewish tutors, Isaacs and Samuel.)

    (19. See the inadvertent admissions in the laudatory biography by H. Montgomery Hyde, Lord Reading (London, 1967), Chapter 8. For example, he censured and forced the resignation of General Dyer for having restored order in Amritsar after a mob killed five Englishmen, beat an Englishwoman almost to death, looted banks, and otherwise exhibited their idealistic aspiration. The fact that General Dyer had been publicly thanked by the decent Sikhs, who bestowed on him the highest honor in their power, merely proved the need for the “radical revolution” that would teach them “nationhood” and perpetual violence. Another trick was a loud campaign to end “racial discrimination,” an infallible means of stirring up trouble and inciting other races to hate ours.)

    Yockey certainly understood that the “successful Indian Mutiny in 1947,” as he called it in the Proclamation, was a consequence of the First World War, which was itself suicidal and an effect of the “Culture-disease” spread by the Jews, but he does not remark on the curious circumstance that the British retreat from India had been conducted, not by Englishmen, but by aliens with British titles. He comments on the fatal decadence of the British aristocracy and upper class, (20) which he attributed correctly to a spiritual decay, but, perhaps in keeping with the racial theory we noticed above, he does not ask the drastic and fearful question, How British are the British? It is a crucial question that admits of no precise answer, and discussion of it would require an inordinately long excursus.”

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  417. Malla says:
    @Malla

    From the book: The New Unhappy Lords

    https://ia800500.us.archive.org/23/items/TheNewUnhappyLords/TheNewUnhappyLords.pdf

    “As far as is known “America’s” anti-British policy was first given concrete expression in the brief that General Marshall took with him to the Quebec Conference in 1943.
    This was to the effect that the greatest single obstacle to the expansion of America’s export-capitalism after the war would be not the Soviet Union but the British Empire. What this meant, in practical terms, was that as soon as the enemies in the field had been disposed of would come the turn of the British Empire to be progressively destroyed and that means to this end would be shaped even while hostilities raged. The moment they were over the campaign could begin in real earnest, the signal for which was to be Truman’s abrupt dropping of Lend-Lease to an ally whose economy had been so closely geared to war production that many markets for her goods had been systematically referred to U.S producers.
    The British Empire was not the only ally marked down for liquidation. The Dutch Empire in the East Indies and the French Empire in Indo-China and Africa were also high on the list

    What many people do not know is that the after the damage done by the Great Depression (the total Wall Street take over of the US Economy and the looting of independent American business with the help of the private ‘Federal’ reserve ), The British Government put restrictions on trade in between the British Empire and USA to protect the economies of Britain and all of her colonies from the wall street pigs.

    In Page 22 of the book we read

    However, as has happened time and again throughout history, the money-lenders had tended to overplay their hand. The six million German unemployed who were the victims of the “Great Depression” resulted in a formidable revolt against the Money Power—the revolt of Adolf Hitler. There was also a rebellion, although of a much milder kind, in Great Britain and the British nations overseas, whose representatives met in Ottawa in 1932 to hammer out a system of Imperial Preferences calculated to insulate the British world against Wall St. amok-runs. These Preferences, as we shall see, incurred the unrelenting hostility of the New York Money Power and the only reason why a show-down was not forced was the far more serious threat to the international financial system implicit in the econo­mic doctrines of the Third Reich.”

    In other words, the Wall street greedy pigs after devouring American industry came to the conclusion that they faced a major threat from Third Reich Germany (the barter system used by the regime) as well as to a lesser extent from the British Empire (and other Empires). Hence the war to destroy Third Reich Germany, Japanese Empire and Italy and then after the war the eventual slow destruction of the European Empires, especially the British Empire. And hence we suddenly see ‘independence movements’ sprouting all over the world and succeeding. Even before the war we had ‘independence movements’ and ‘communist movements’ all around the world thanks to their pet ‘Soviet Russia’s’ agents going all around and ‘radicalizing the masses’, all with the blessings of Wall Street Banker pigs.

  418. Poco says:

    I sincerely hope these cockroaches eventually get to find out what reactionary really means. The future Orthodox Russian Empire and the Middle Kingdom will hopefully learn from our past mistakes and never allow them positions of any power. They can go wail at the former Roman garrison wall in Israel.

  419. Malla says:
    @S

    In India, Blavatksy’s Theosophical Society evolved into a mixture of Western occultism and Hindu mysticism, and also spread western ideas in the east, aiding a modernization of eastern traditions, and contributing to a growing nationalism in the Asian colonies. The Theosophical Society had a major influence on Buddhist modernism and Hindu reform movements, and the spread of those modernized versions in the west. During the nineteenth century, Hinduism developed a large number of new religious movements, partly inspired by the European Romanticism, nationalism, scientific racism and Theosophy. With the rise of Hindu nationalism, several contemporary Indian movements, collectively termed Hindu reform movements, strove to introduce regeneration and reform to Hinduism.
    The Theosophical Society and the Arya Samaj were united from 1878 to 1882, as the Theosophical Society of the Arya Samaj. And, along with H. S. Olcott and Anagarika Dharmapala, Blavatsky was also instrumental in the Western transmission and revival of Theravada Buddhism. Dharmapala (1864 – 1933) was a pioneer in the revival of Buddhism in India after it had been virtually extinct there for several centuries. Along with Olcott and Blavatsky, Dharmapala was also a major reformer and revivalist of Ceylonese Buddhism and very crucial figure in its Western transmission. Dharmapala also believed that Sinhalese of Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) are a pure Aryan race, and advised that Sinhalese women should avoid miscegenation by refraining from mixing with minority races of the country.[1]
    An important influence on western spirituality was Neo-Vedanta, also called neo-Hinduism, a modern religious movement inspired by the ecstatic visionary experiences of Sri Ramakrishna (1836 – 1886) and his beloved disciple Swami Vivekananda (1863 – 1902). It was Vivekananda who coined the term “Hinduism” to describe a faith of diverse and myriad beliefs of Indian tradition. Also a Freemason, Vivekananda was a key figure in the introduction of Indian philosophies of Vedanta and Yoga to the western world.

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  420. Malla says:
    @Malla

    In addition to Vivekananda, the Parliament of the World’s Religions was dominated by the Theosophists and their counterparts among the representatives of neo-Vedanta and Buddhist Modernism. Several of the World Parliament’s speakers on behalf of international religions had been Theosopphists, such as Dharmapala and Kinza Hirai, who represented Buddhism, Mohammed Webb for Islam, and Chakravarti for the Hindus.
    At the Parliament, Vivekananda’s speech also made a profound impression on Annie Besant (1847 – 1933), who had assumed the leadership of the worldwide theosophical movement when Blavatsky had passed away in 1891. Born in London into a middle-class family of Irish origin, Besant was proud of her heritage, and became involved with Union organizers including the Bloody Sunday demonstration, which she was widely credited for inciting. During 1884, Besant had developed a very close friendship with Edward Aveling, who first translated the works of Marx into English. He eventually went to live with Marx’s daughter Eleanor Marx, whose network was being spied on by Theodor Reuss. Besant was a leading speaker for the Fabian Society. The Fabians were a group of socialists whose strategy differed from that of Karl Marx in that they sought world domination through what they called the “doctrine of inevitability of gradualism.” This meant their goals would be achieved “without breach of continuity or abrupt change of the entire social issue,” and by infiltrating educational institutions, government agencies, and political parties.

    As President of the Theosophical Society, Besant became involved in politics in India, joining the Indian National Congress, and during World War I helped launch the Home Rule League, modeling demands for India on Irish nationalist practices. This led to her election as president of the India National Congress in late 1917. As editor of the New India newspaper, she attacked the colonial government of India and called for clear and decisive moves towards self-rule. In June 1917 Besant was arrested, but the National Congress and the Muslim League together threatened to launch protests if she was not set free. The government was forced to make significant concessions, and it was announced that the ultimate aim of British rule was Indian self-government.
    After the war, a new leadership emerged around Mohandas K. Gandhi, who was inspired by the ideals of Vivekananda, and who was among those who had written to demand Besant’s release, and who had returned from leading Asians in a non-violent struggle against racism in South Africa. In 1888, he had travelled to London, England, to study law at University College London, when he met members of the Theosophical Society. They encouraged him to join them in reading the Bhagavad Gita. As a result, despite not having shown any interest in religion before, Gandhi began his serious study of the text, which was to become his acknowledged guide throughout his life. According to Kathryn Tidrick, Gandhi’s approach to the Gita was theosophical.[5]Gandhi later explained to his biographer, Louis Fischer, “Theosophy… is Hinduism at its best. ”
    Gandhi had met Blavatsky and Besant in 1889.[7] And when Gandhi set up his office in Johannesburg, among the pictures he hung on his walls were those of Tolstoy, Jesus Christ and Annie Besant, and in a letter he wrote to her in 1905 he expressed his “reverence” of her.[8] Besant bestowed on him the title by which he became famous, “Mahatma,” a Hindu term for “Great Soul,” and the same name by which Theosophy called its own masters. Besant’s distinctive influence on Gandhi was through her contribution to theory was the “Law of Sacrifice,” which was set out most fully in Esoteric Christianity. The Law of Sacrifice was derived from a Fabian reading of the Bhagavad Gita, where Krishna’s selfless activity brought the world into existence and continues to sustain it. Action performed in this “sacrificial” spirit, says Krishna, is free from Karma.

    Despite his popular image as holy man, Joseph Lelyveld’s Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi And His Struggle With India, according to his reviewer, reveals Gandhi was a “sexual weirdo, a political incompetent and a fanatical faddist—one who was often downright cruel to those around him. Gandhi was therefore the archetypal 20th-century progressive intellectual, professing his love for mankind as a concept while actually despising people as individuals.”[10] According to Lelyveld, Gandhi also encouraged his seventeen-year-old great-niece to be naked during her “nightly cuddles,” and began sleeping with her and other young women. He also engaged in a long-term homosexual affair with German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder Hermann Kallenbach, for whom Gandhi at one point left his wife in 1908.[11]

  421. Actually Laurent, a far bigger story, and with a lot less to make up, that someone should cover.

    Give a listen to this interviewee here, and then ask yourself.

    Who was at the helm of the French finance ministry crucial to this “take over”.

    ?

    What was the “French” bank which facilitated the “take over”.

    ?

    Connect the dots.
    Obviously there is a huge scandal behind this.

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    , @Laurent Guyénot
  422. @AaronB

    /Thank you for your interesting reply./

    You’re most welcome.

    /Well, my main desire was merely to elucidate the notion of the chosen people, place it in its proper context and show that it has rough analogues in other religions while retaining distinctive features, and strip it of the sinister Darwinian accretions it has acquired at the hands of modern secular materialists./

    And you’ve done it admirably at that, no question. The Islamic analogue of a “chosen people,” however, requires a small amount of elaboration. More in a moment …

    /I thank you for spelling out your objections lucidity and intelligently./

    I object to what you’ve said no more than you object to what I’ve said. Perhaps it’s my response that appears objectionable to you? (smile)

    In any event, we’re here to learn.

    That said, we’re not likely to convince each other about the nature of God. While I agree that actions bear repercussions beyond the reach of our imagination, it does not follow from this that “we are sparks of God Himself.” God empowers man, but this trust of power is just that: a trust. Entrusted property is not property owned.

    //We have ancestors who took a similarly disoriented path, believing that an Arab birthright accorded them an “edge” above other Muslims//
    /But this is something quite different./

    Not practically, it isn’t.

    You assert as much when you ask, “Is it fair?”, then appeal to Divine Will as justification for the apparent lack of equity.

    /To become Muslim is to join the Arab people, in a sense./

    Only in one sense: by tongue.

    By learning to read the Arabic of The Qur’an, all Muslims become Arab, in part, according to the haddith, “Nationality is by the tongue.”

    Oh, it’s highly likely a new Muslim will encounter Arabs at some point in time, but this is not remotely the same as “joining the Arab people.”

    In short, no such union is incumbent upon a new Muslim.

    /But the Bible teaches that God may scatter and disperse the Jewish people, may chastise them and eradicate the majority, but will never fully abandon them. He will always remain faithful to a remnant, who remain faithful to him./

    A faithful remnant of Israel accepted Jesus as the Messiah and worked to spread the Good News that Shiloh was approaching. When Shiloh arrived, ‘Abdullah ibn Salaam, the best and brightest rabbi of Medina, embraced Islam, knowing The Prophet by his description in The Book, and there was a faithful remnant of Jews who succeeded him in becoming Muslim.

    And yet, I do not doubt that among well-meaning Jews who had nothing to do with the corruption of their forebears, there remains a community faithful to God as they understand Him.

    But the remnant faithful are few, almost infinitesimal, not only among Jews, but among humankind.

    Which essentially proves my original point that “after so many centuries of prophetic admonition gone unheeded, that (birthright) privilege is no longer guaranteed.”

    /We must accept this apparent unfairness as part of Gods providence. It is offensive to liberal sensitivities, but we precisely are not liberals./

    You’re conflating God’s Will with a secular political disposition. An appeal to a false dichotomy, such as the “liberal”/”conservative” one, is not appealing to God.

    It’s a bit simpler than you imagine:

    God created all of humankind. Garden variety common sense tells us that, since He did so, and since He is all good, just and merciful, He favors people by virtue of their action, not by their ethnic extraction.

    You might decry this as “liberal,” but it just makes sense for God. Anything else is the advancement of ethnic nationalism shielding itself with religion.

    /These traditions are obviously allegorical, but they should go some way towards adding nuance to so called Jewish “supremacism”./

    And I thank you for presenting them.

    /one born to the wrong parents is obviously at a disadvantage/

    “Wrong parents” are not the same as non-Jewish or non-Muslim parents.

    Not by a long shot.

    /Thank you for agreeing the notion of the chosen people, while something you still object to and cannot accept, is not the sinister caricature people interpreting it in secular Darwinian context make it out to be./

    Well, there’s no need to thank me, that’s my conviction:

    The Children of Israel received a special privilege from God, one that would render them “a light unto the nations” contingent upon their obedience to Him, preparing them for acceptance of the Messiah, who would herald the arrival of Shiloh, the Messenger of the Covevant, destined to lead all of humankind, independent of ethnicity, to salvation in the Kingdom of God.

    That some have yet to accept the Messiah is entirely their choice, and they retain every right to freely hold this conviction (or lack thereof).

    /The notion that my efforts at self perfection and uniting myself to God actually helps creation as a whole, that it makes someone 3,000 miles away find it easier to be good and kind and save his soul, more, that my actions actually repair corruption at the basic level of reality, is gratifying, even thrilling./

    I find that it arrogates to the believer a power he doesn’t actually possess. It is possible, however, to accept an effect such as you describe without attributing it to oneself. Hence …

    /I am dust beneath my Creator’s feet/

    … seems more reasonable, appearances notwithstanding.

    Now, our “chosen people” are the faithful, Arab or otherwise. Piety is what distinguishes one as blessed in the eyes of God. As such, we have nothing but unflagging respect for the Jewish institutions of gender segregation, kosher food industries, and yeshivas, among others. And it is obligatory upon every Muslim to ensure the preservation of these institutions when they are threatened.

    There are certainly distinctions between us, but those may or may not matter in the greater picture. On the ground we lead different lives than we do here, and only God knows where we end. May God make that end a felicitous one.

    And may He make our discourse worthy of His pleasure, and draw us ever closer to Him throughout our time here together.

    Ameen.

  423. S says:
    @Malla

    Interesting about the Leila series.

    Looks to be an Indian version of the Handmaid’s Tale for Hindu consumption.

    It appears they’re attempting to pre-emptively condition people everywhere (ethnicity by ethnicity) against any natural or organic reaction whatsoever to the worldwide push for so called ‘progressivism’.

    The Handmaid’s Tale is an American dystopian drama web television series created by Bruce Miller, based on the 1985 novel of the same name by Margaret Atwood. It was ordered by the streaming service Hulu as a straight-to-series order of 10 episodes, for which production began in late 2016. The plot features a dystopian future following a Second American Civil War wherein a totalitarian society subjects fertile women, called “Handmaids”, into child-bearing servitude.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid%27s_Tale_(TV_series)

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  424. S says:
    @Malla

    No wonder one of the biggest producers of opium (and thus heroin) outside Afghanistan is the Golden Triangle in South East Asia encompassing Burma/Myanmar, Thailand and Cambodia.

    The 19th century opium trade was said to be incredibly profitable. It would be interesting to follow the money trail then to now regarding the international drug trade, to see just who is profiting.

    Ramparts magazine had a real time article on the subject of the South-East Asia drug trade in May, 1971 called ‘The CIA and the New Opium War’.

    The drugs then and now had a terribly destructive effect on the US population. There was an early George Lucas movie made in 1969 called THX-1138 which had seemingly thousands of shaved bald extras in it. A great many of these were California young people who had become addicted to heroin and were undergoing treatment at Synonon, a drug therapy group. Lucas had hired them out for the film.

    About the supporting both ‘sides’ of the dialectic, Capitalism and Communism in China, and elsewhere, I can only suppose they rationalize it away in part as ‘the ends justify the means’. It will all come together, so they tell themselves, in the great ‘synthesis’ of the two systems in a theoretical world peace, so therefore all they do on the way getting there, the world wars, the international drug trade, the mass murder, the assassinations, the self rewarding by economic looting, all is allowed. [Again, so they tell themselves.]

    https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg32780.html

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    , @Malla
  425. S says:

    Thanks for the insightful post regarding Theosophy in India. It adds context to the seemingly low keyed Theosophist based Lucis Trust, their influence with the Anglosphere establishment United Nations, and their offices located at 3 Whitehall Court in the heart of the UK’s government and military sector in London.

    Yes, whatever ‘modernization’ Hindus or Moslems in India engaged in should of been on their own terms, and not at the instigation of outsiders.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucis_Trust

    https://www.lucistrust.org/contact_us

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehall_Court

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  426. Seraphim says:
    @ploni almoni

    Now, it is clear that the story that Theophilus destroyed a library is a fiction created by Edward Gibbon in his “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” out of a concern to clear the Arabs of the responsibility of destroying the library and blame the ‘decline and fall’ on Christianity (which is the underlying motive of all his literary endeavor). It was swallowed by science popularizers like Carl Sagan and film makers like Alejandro Amenabar in his ultra politically correct feminist anti-Christian film ‘Agora’.
    But whereas the sources talk about the destruction of the Serapaeum, which was sheltering a ‘daughter’ library (presumably of the ‘Great Library’ of the Ptolemies, burnt allegedly by Julius Caesar – you forgot that) which they don’t say anything about burning the books, but that the demolishers just emptied the books, the sources said ‘plundered’. The Serapaeum was in fact abandoned.
    The story of Mark/Alexander is another ‘alternative story’, too good to be true.

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  427. @Seraphim

    You’re right. If Israelites originated in Italy, you would expect them to be related genetically to modern Italians.

  428. Malla says:
    @AmRusDebate

    Looks interesting. For us nonFrench speakers, can someone give a basic summary of this controversy? Does it involve Alstom company?

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  429. Malla says:
    @S

    Ramparts magazine had a real time article on the subject of the South-East Asia drug trade in May, 1971 called ‘The CIA and the New Opium War’.

    Yes the CIA is the biggest drug dealer in the World. It is surprising to see the moral difference in between the innocent White populations of the West and their diabolical Satanic elites.

    About the supporting both ‘sides’ of the dialectic, Capitalism and Communism in China, and elsewhere, I can only suppose they rationalize it away in part as ‘the ends justify the means’. It will all come together, so they tell themselves, in the great ‘synthesis’ of the two systems in a theoretical world peace,

    Yes looks like they are pushing Corporate Communism, Big business will eventual merge with Big Government, this system is being tried in China right now. I remember reading somewhere about some American guy meeting some top American official who told him that the establishment wanted to unite the USA and the USSR (he fell off his chair after hearing this). Well this USA coming together with the USSR is happening in the PRC.

  430. Malla says:
    @S

    It adds context to the seemingly low keyed Theosophist based Lucis Trust, their influence with the Anglosphere establishment United Nations, and their offices located at 3 Whitehall Court in the heart of the UK’s government and military sector in London.

    Thanks for the info. I would not be surprised if this New Age Movement is Luciferian.

  431. Malla says:
    @S

    Looks to be an Indian version of the Handmaid’s Tale for Hindu consumption.

    Yes very interesting but there are some differences in between the two however there are similarities also.

    It appears they’re attempting to pre-emptively condition people everywhere (ethnicity by ethnicity) against any natural or organic reaction whatsoever to the worldwide push for so called ‘progressivism’.

    Yup, they are programming the whole world.

  432. @Harbinger

    “Jeffrey Epstein was recently arrested. He’s going to court. They’ve known all along that Epstein was a pedophile and his ‘Lolita Express’ and luxury island home was a playground for the rich and famous. The Clintons were heavily involved with him. But they never brought this out with Hillary.”

    The entirety of your post is a powerful summary of the perversion of society and of history.

    Mike King of Tomatobubble.com put forward the theory that the NSA in America has been behind the pedophile case in a war of agencies against the CIA and the FBI who are owned lock, stock and barrel by the Zionists. It could be wishful thinking, but the slightest grain of truth in this theory can be comforting. However, that Pizzagate involving the Podesta brothers did not lead so far to any indictment makes me sceptical about Mr. King’s analysis. Also, are the White Hats stories that claim a resistance movement flights of fancy? Needless to stress that pedophilia in the U. K. is more prevalent than in America; it is the ultimate manifestation of satanism that has cast its net over the Western world. That the country of Magna Carta where the will of the people managed to turn the law from an instrument of persecution of the commoners to a shield against the abuse of power by the blood lines, thereby granting every dweller on English soil the right to Habea Corpus, is becoming increasingly a police state with most people oblivious of the danger, dashes any hope that the sheeple will stand up to their rights before it is too late.

    Meanwhile, one of the leading intellectuals of Europe Mr. Johan Galtung, who has proven to be a prescient thinker, but who unfortunately is under the thumb of the Zionists, did predict that after the coming big economic collapse of 2020 and the end of the American Empire, the United States will become a dictatorship comparing it to Spain after the collapse of the Spanish Empire. What Galtung did not specify is wether this dictatorship will be Zionist controlled or anti Zionist. At the risk of being overly optimistic, I hope for the latter but expect the former.

    Yesterday, watching the rampage of the Algerians in Paris after Algeria’s triumph in the African cup, lends full credence to your assertion of the slumbering White people in a country that had witnessed Maurice Papon’s brutal crackdown on Algerian demonstrators in Paris in 1961. What a difference half a century makes. It all brings to mind Hitler’s assertion that a race or nation that has lost its will to fight is one that is doomed to disappear. Dmitry Orlov’s theory of an absence of mayhem during interesting times spells the end of the afflicted society.

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  433. @Mulegino1

    TRUTH AND WISDOM ABOUT THE CAUSE:

    The Semitic role in the formation of Christianity and Christian civilization via the Patriarchs and Prophets is a preparatory and ancillary one, not overarching and dominant. The real world historical moment is, of course, the Incarnation of Christ and the fusion of Christian belief with Greek philosophy and Greco-Roman culture and law. Europe as we knew it yesterday (and it is sadly disappearing today) would not have been possible without Christianity.

    The Church only appropriated a few Aramaic or Hebrew loan words for its liturgical rites, and the primary scriptural source for its Old Testament was the Greek Septuagint.

    THE RESULT:

    Europe as we knew it yesterday (and it is sadly disappearing today) would not have been possible without Christianity. As Hillaire Belloc put it: “Europe is the Church, and the Church is Europe.”

    THE DEVIL’S RESPONSE, INEFFECTIVE AS IT CERTAINLY WILL PROVE TO BE:

    The dry husk of Talmudic Judaism plays no role in the development of Christianity, seeing as it is a cult of Pharisaical rejection of Christ and the final canonization of its authoritative text, the Babylonian Talmud, postdates the authentic New Testament by centuries.

  434. Malla says:
    @S

    https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg32780.html

    Wow thanks this is very informative, thanks a lot.

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  435. S says:
    @Malla

    YW. It is an intriguing little article.

    One can see how the many of the same powerful elements involved in the original Opium Wars of the 19th century, were once again found to be involved in opium’s production one hundred years later. [Which begs the question, had they ever really left the international drug trade?]

    Founded just after World War II by General Claire Chennault:

    ..Air America’s chief contract is with the American Central Intelligence Agency.

    Air America brings Brahmin Bostonians and wealthy Wall Streeters who are the
    China Lobby together with some of the most powerful men in Nationalist China’s financial history. One of its principal services has been to fly in support for the “remnant” 93d Division of the KMT, the “opium army” in Burma; another has been as a major carrier of opium itself.

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  436. Harbinger says:
    @Malla

    Very interesting Malla.
    Yes, I do know that many Indians speak highly of the time of the British in India, none more so than those grateful at them destroying the horrific Kali Ma worshipping, Thugee cult (where the name thug comes from). And of course everything else the hard working Brit brought.

    Interestingly enough, it was the migration of Indian peoples, predominantly from Pakistan and Bangladesh to the north of England, to work in the textile industries. More so, when one realizes that before gold, textile was the domain of the Jew, for the cloth industry is always the most basic industry due to an abundance of raw materials. Through the wealth attained from the cloth industry, they moved into further avenues of industrial control. Essentially, the factory owners, in the north of England, paid the workers a pittance, having sacked the indigenous workforce. It was something stupid, but they got far less than the indigenous was getting but still, one week’s work, I believe in the UK was equivalent to a year’s back in the Indian sub continent and more.
    And of course, Enoch Powell warned that “we must be mad bringing in 50,000 immigrants a year” which was at the time of the mass migration of peoples from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. It continued to increase yearly.

    As I continually state, wherever in this world there’s upheavel and strife, you can guarantee there’s a Jew somewhere involved, most probably slap bang centre.

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  437. Harbinger says:
    @Joe Levantine

    The west is truly lost. I think people should really try to find a way to live, the rest of their lives, that is those who know what’s going on, to the best of their ability in finding some kind of happiness, even though they know the future is bleak.

    The Jew essentially moves into every establishment within every country it moves to. It then starts to control by employing more Jews, taking all the top positions and removing anyone contrary to their opinions, beliefs and overall goals. Classic case that the msm and academia are now, completely controlled by the left, whereas once there was a balance, now there is just Marxists running the show.

    Interesting to note, about the USA was when the freemason General Cornwallis, surrendered to freemason General Washington at Yorktown on Oct. 17, 1781 he stated that:

    Your churches will be used to teach the Jew’s religion [emphasis mine] and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry.”

    Notice how he stated churches will teach the Jew religion, clearly proving that Judaism has nothing to do with the bible but instead the Cabala and Talmud?

    You will also know that there are essentially two laws at play in the west – the law of the land and the law of the sea, common law and legal law respectively. The former is fixed, following the commandments, whereas the latter isn’t and follows trade manifests. What they have done is they have combined legality with common law to the complete ignorance of the people, who fail to see that common law deals with the human sole and legality deals with the corporate sole. In other words, we are not looked upon as humans, but as trade commodities to be bought and sold. You guessed it that the Jew is completely behind this. It’s why most become lawyers as it’s an effective way for them to steal from the public.

    All of us are commodities to be bought and sold by the Jew. That’s how they see us. Nearly 240 years have passed since Cornwallis’ warning. America’s first amendment no longer exists courtesy of hate speech, incidentally created by the Anti Defamation League, to stop all criticism of Jewry, more so, Israeli murder of Palestinians and theft of their land.
    The Jews, truly are a vile people, for they care only for themselves and their goals, with not the slightest interest in how many lives they destroy in due process.

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    , @Malla
    , @Joe Levantine
  438. @AmRusDebate

    Merci, très intéressant. J’ai fait passer à Egalité & Réconciliation

  439. AmRusDebate says: • Website
    @Malla

    If no one writes an article, I’ll do it. I think I’ve written the longest article about Macron to date:

    https://bannedfrommedium.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/macronleaks-the-fake-news-about-the-fake-news/

    I specifically stated:

    “A claim that Macron had received a 3.6 million Euro payment while minister of the economy from his former employee Bank of Rothschild as a result of facilitating the purchase of Alstom shares by General Electric. There is no question Macron played a crucial role in the sale, but the email has yet to be sourced in the MacronLeaks package. In any civilized society such a transaction is beyond the pale, and literally makes Fillongate pale in comparison. Not only would it be a significant hit to the reputation of Rothschild and Comp., to engage in such practices in our day and age, it would condemn Macron in the eyes of all those who fear his globalization agenda and espy him of being beholden to a cadre of kleptocrats, fat-cats, and oligarchs. Such information if proven true, is hardly “uninteresting” or “unimportant” as the media have so far characterized the little of MacronLeaks that they purport to have studied.”

    A brief summary. Frederic Pierucci was a high-flying executive in Alstom managing about 700 staff in the USA. On a routine trip between France and America, he got jumped by the FBI. He was given a choice. Become an FBI asset within his native French company or spend seventy years in prison.

    The rest of the ordeal is [email protected]#% shocking…including that the Patriot Act automatically triggers spying on all foreign firms (especially European) with 200,000,000$ in assets or exchange with the USA. This is NSA, Five Eyes , info shared strategically with US businesses (nothing wrong with that, unless you like free markets, honesty, rule-based approach). Pierucci was sent to a high security prison (seriously?), and the rest is ghoulish. Including getting a lawyer working for General Electric, intent on tanking any chances Pierucci would have of getting out. His bail was set at 1,000,000 $. He didn’t make that kind of money (France!) and it was American friends (hats off to our generosity) who posted his bail using their houses as a caution!

    …lots of shocking little facts …the angle I’m bringing up, involves Macron, Patrick Kron, Rothschild (one of whom was also incarcerated!) and my above quote, of which it seems a significant part, is accurate, although I must admit to having perused the MacronLeaks Wikileaks archive superficially, and found no corroboration (so I’m relying on external sources). I encourage others to search the Wikileaks macronleaks archive.

    It’s a scandal of huge proportions, and it’s ultra Jewy to boot.

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  440. Malla says:
    @AmRusDebate

    Thank you very much, this is very fascinating. The elites of most nations really work like a Mafia. Typical Rothschilds and their shenanigans, same as usual for centuries. And Macron was a globalist corporate slime ball from the very beginning. The French people should have voted in Le Pen, or maybe they voted Le Pen and the voting was rigged, who knows?

    One of my cousin worked for Alstom India for many years, they are a big player in India in all the new metro rail projects being constructed in Indian cities.

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  441. Malla says:
    @Harbinger

    none more so than those grateful at them destroying the horrific Kali Ma worshipping, Thugee cult (where the name thug comes from).

    Yes the British did great things for India like stopping Sati, Thugees, Pindaris etc.. The largest irrigation project of its time in the whole world was built in the Punjab, British India by the Government. But most Indians have been brainwashed by our education system to hate the British Raj after 1947 just like how Koreans and Chinese are brainwashed against the Japanese.

    Through the wealth attained from the cloth industry, they moved into further avenues of industrial control. Essentially, the factory owners, in the north of England, paid the workers a pittance, having sacked the indigenous workforce. It was something stupid, but they got far less than the indigenous was getting but still, one week’s work, I believe in the UK was equivalent to a year’s back in the Indian sub continent and more.

    Wow this is very interesting, I had known about the migration of South Asians to work in the mills of Northern England but I had not connected the dots in between textile mills and Jewish owners and South Asian immigration. This is interesting. This migration along with the migration from the Caribbean was what Harry Mcloed Fraser warning about the Jews would do, back in 1921 but many people may not have taken him seriously back then. Britain lost scores of men in WW1 and did not need non White immigration so why did it need immigration suddenly after WW2?

    Even before 1947, Jewish owners of textile mills in British India (Sasoons, Shusters etc…) were undercutting Manchester mills in price. People do not know that by the 1930s, British Indian textiles were taking away market share from British textiles in China. And we were brainwashed with Marxist lies that the ‘British deindustrialised India’. What rubbish.

  442. Malla says:
    @S

    Wow thanks, just as I have been saying, it has been the same people for centuries.

  443. Malla says:
    @Harbinger

    Interesting to note, about the USA was when the freemason General Cornwallis, surrendered to freemason General Washington at Yorktown on Oct. 17, 1781 he stated that:

    This is very interesting. I remember a ‘TruthHertz’ podcast where it was mentioned that Francis Bacon wrote about creating a new nation (the future USA, he called it Beth Salem or something of the kind) to further the cause of Zion, that is to create Israel. I did some some independent research but could not get anything to support this. But if what he says is true than this is a spine chilling realization. That the great nation of the USA was created primarily to one day create the present nation of Israel. The USA was just a project. Crazy when you think about it.

    I wonder which all nations are such projects. Some White South Africans say that South Africa was one such project. Douglas Reed writes about how gold mined in South African was carried off to Fort Knox in USA even in periods when the USA was anti Apartheid South Africa and was putting sanctions on South Africa. It seems Johannesburg is/was South Africa’s New York, full of ((them)). Pushing Mao Zedong to create the Peoples Republic of China and then Deng Xiaoping opening up China, too smells of such a project.
    Makes we wonder if India too was such a project. I suspect, Jews created the independent country of Republic of India for some future purpose. No wonder India is becoming so friendly with Israel with the coming of PM Modi, we are Israel’s biggest military hardware buyer. Some friends I know who work in the Indian government tell me about how the Israelis rip us off all the time (with corrupt Indian bureaucrats). And Goldman Sachs is opening a big huge office in India. I suspect once the USA is destroyed China and India will be the new Jew nests. They are building up China and India. No wonder they have recruited so many Indians in all the Information Technology work and most of the clients of these big Indian IT companies are international banks!!!! They are training us for some future role.