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An interesting niche in the political Left has appeared over the last 18 months. They are a segment of the Bernie Sanders wing of the Left, socialists who oppose racial identity politics generally and the shaming of poor whites in particular. I call them the anti-anti-white Left. They are vehemently opposed to the Clinton family and mainstream Democratic figures such as Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid—whom they consider part of the exploiting class—and they attack capitalism, war, and almost every liberal pundit.

Needless to say, they are not race realists or white advocates, and they openly abhor what they call “racism.” However, they are so preoccupied with economics and class that they have little respect for theories about “white privilege,” or “authoritarian personalities.” Anti-anti-white socialists despise elite whites who live in “whiteopias” but call working class whites “racists,” and who promote economic programs like NAFTA that benefit them but hurt the working class.

Here is a statement of their worldview, taken from the essay, “Burying the White Working Class,” on the anti-anti-white socialist website, Jacobin:

[W]hy do elite liberals seem to focus so particularly on white wage-earners?

Part of the explanation is that unlike with the white working class, many of the hardships workers of color face fit neatly within an acceptable liberal narrative about what’s wrong with our society: racism. And when racism can be blamed, capitalism can be exonerated.

Liberals can delude themselves into believing that it is nothing more than the accumulation of individual prejudices stashed away in the minds of powerful white people that has destroyed black and brown communities in Detroit, Ferguson, and Chicago’s South Side.

Class stratification, capital flight, and the war against organized labor are thus sidestepped completely. The liberal elite is spared from having to question the fundamental injustices of capitalism.

Unfortunately, the miseries, hardships, and exploitation of white workers don’t fit into an easy capital-friendly framework. Liberals then have two options: blame the individual moral failings of white workers or call into question the very nature of capitalism itself.

Guess which one they choose. More and more, liberals just point and scream: “racist.”

The author’s hyperlink on “individual moral failings” points to a piece from National Review vilifying poor whites who support Donald Trump. Let it be remembered that in 2016, a socialist criticized National Review for its dismissiveness of poor white Americans.

This essay is not unique. Jacobin regularly argues against the anti-white posturing of pundits in such places as Slate and Vox. And like every political faction these days, they fight their battles on Twitter. AmRen readers may be surprised to know that there is a near constant and often heated Twitter war between anti-anti-white socialists, and anti-white liberals. Some samples:

The debate is mainly about the question Bhaskar Sunkara, the non-white founder and editor of Jacobin, posed a week before the election:

Those who cannot imagine Trump supporters ever joining any kind of leftwing movement see them as irredeemable, deplorable, and inherently racist. That is the view of liberal pundits such as Joy-Ann Reid, Joan Walsh, Jamelle Bouie, etc.

Some socialists, on the other hand, think Trump supporters can move to the Left because they see them first and foremost as proletarians, not as whites. In the Marxist mind, proletarians are not just redeemable; they will eventually redeem the world.

Mr. Sunkara has explicitly said he doesn’t think much of the Frankfurt School (the founders of “cultural Marxism”) and prefers the earlier and more orthodox Marxists who focused on economics and politics without dabbling in psychology, “anti-racism,” and esoteric cultural critiques. The non-Marxist Left of Slate, The New York Times, Vox, etc, is the opposite. They have rejected Marxist economics for Keynesianism, but socially and culturally, they are direct descendants of Theodor Adorno and Herbert Marcuse.

The tension between these two camps can be seen, albeit to a lesser extent, between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Mrs. Clinton infamously said half of a all Trump supporters are deplorable, while Mr. Sanders has refused to condemn them. In private, Mrs. Clinton has yearned for open borders, while Mr. Sanders publicly spoke out against them. On the campaign trail, Mrs. Clinton engaged in an unprecedented amount of groveling ethnomasochism, while Mr. Sanders largely mostly about economic issues.

Any resistance to the dogma of inherent white evil is good. Leftist opposition to anti-white thinking could be the first step for young whites towards developing a racial consciousness. On the other hand, this might just be rhetorical bluster. These socialists hate Donald Trump, and largely back Keith Ellison to head the Democratic National Committee. Is taking their rhetoric at face value today like taking President Bill Clinton seriously when he talked about securing the southern border? What I’m asking is the inverse of Mr. Sunkara’s question: Is it reasonable to think that around one in four of these anti-anti-white socialists could become white advocates?

Let me know what you think in the comments, especially if you who consider yourself liberal.

(Republished from American Renaissance by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Hepp says:

    The tension between these two camps can be seen, albeit to a lesser extent, between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Mrs. Clinton infamously said half of a all Trump supporters are deplorable, while Mr. Sanders has refused to condemn them. In private, Mrs. Clinton has yearned for open borders, while Mr. Sanders publicly spoke out against them. On the campaign trail, Mrs. Clinton engaged in an unprecedented amount of groveling ethnomasochism, while Mr. Sanders largely mostly about economic issues.

    As soon as he was chastised by Black Lives Matter, Sanders went ahead and appointed an activist that is just as crazy and anti-white as anybody embraced by Hillary

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/23/cnns_symone_sanders_we_dont_need_white_people_leading_the_democratic_party_right_now.html

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/dem-strategist-mocks-trump-supporter-beat-up-by-mob-oh-my-goodness-poor-white-people/

    The man is so disconnected from reality on racial issues, that during a debate in the primaries he promised that by the end of his first administration the black-white incineration gap would be ended.

    http://www.vox.com/2016/2/8/10937468/bernie-sanders-mass-incarceration

    There was a difference in style between Hillary and Bernie, for sure. He’s older and less connected to mainstream discourse, so he’s not as crude in his anti-white bigotry. But I tend to think that the main problem with liberals isn’t that they have bad intentions, but that they’re living in a fantasy world when it comes to race, in that they believe that crime and education gaps are due to discrimination and can be fixed by white people behaving more virtuously. On that score, it’s hard to find an issue where Bernie wasn’t just as bad as Hillary.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The man is so disconnected from reality on racial issues...
     
    I-VT.

    ...by the end of his first administration the black-white incineration gap would be ended.
     
    Are blacks incinerated at a significantly different rate than are whites? I thought those church-burning stories were debunked. Or at least buried, once the other side realized that the whites with the biggest problem with black churches were gay activists.
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  2. Polls showed that Sanders would have beat Trump by 10 percentage points. It would have been more if he stuck to his principles. Early in his campaign, Sanders spoke out against open borders, but then dropped that issue for unknown reasons. From my blog:

    Aug 1, 2015 – Sanders for President!

    Most readers would be shocked to learn they support most views of Senator Bernie Sanders, who our TV tells us is an evil socialist. Spend a few minutes to watch this recent interview to discover the truth, which includes:

    The interviewer suggests that Sanders’ espousal of democratic socialism entails putting certain international concerns before national ones with policies like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. Sanders responds:

    “Open borders? No. That’s a Koch brothers proposal; a right-wing proposal, which would make everybody in America poorer—you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.

    You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?

    I think from a moral responsibility we’ve got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don’t do that by making people in this country even poorer.”

    The corporate sponsored Democrat Party must keep this madman out of any debates. He’ll stomp Hillary.

    __________________________

    Whatever one think about this issue, the rich Democrat elites put an illegal alien on stage to give a speech on the opening night of their convention. Given the polls showing the American working class angry about mass illegal immigration, this was just stupid, evidenced by the light applause, and a good example of why Clinton loss.

    Once again, nothing has robbed poor blacks, latinos, and whites of economic opportunities more than mass illegal immigration. They may not speak about it in public, but they know it’s true. It hurts healthcare for everyone too, as a visit to the waiting room of any American hospital ER will demonstrate.

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    • Replies: @Kyle a
    Bernie wouldn't have won the general election. He didn't beat Clinton in the primaries even if you removed the superdelegate count.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    It is all about Racial Tribalism. I d0n't care if young Hispanics and Blacks are economically undermined by illegal aliens. The Historic Native Born White American Majority has been, and continues to be voted into a violently persecuted racial minority by nonwhite Legal Immigrants and their US born nonwhite geneline.


    Your altruistic sewage is the kind of sewage that can be found at all the parasitical Immigration Reform Organizations in DC.


    Nonwhite Legal Immigrants and their US born nonwhite geneline are a way bigger problem than nonwhite illegal aliens.


    F Americanism!!!....which is what you are pushing.
    , @CK
    " Polls showed ..." Clinton beating Trump right up until she lost at 9pm election day.
    This election has showed polls to be less than worthy, and pollsters more than a little agenda driven.
    , @Alden
    And nothing has destroyed prospects for well educated American STEM grads than mass Asian and Indian legal immigrants.

    Been to a hospital lately? Nothing but legal immigrant Asians and Indians. Silicon Valley and Redmond Wa? It's nothing but legal Asian and Indian legal immigrants. Accountants, Americans are laid off and replaced by Phillipino legal immigrant women.
    Check out the science and engineering campus of the nearest college. You will find nothing but Asian and Indian legal immigrants.

    And don't argue that Anericans don't want to study STEM subjects. They are not admitted to colleges due to affirmative action for anything but White.
    I used to work at a major university. The medical school classes were half women, mostly Chinese, mostly not immigrants but Chinese nationals. The 50 % male group was about 45% non White. Again mostly Chinese nationals, not immigrants with maybe one or two American blacks and only a very few White American men. Most of the White men were Armenians and Persians whose wealthy families had the money to file a racial discrimination law suit. Because California law, Prop 209 forbids affirmative action a racial discrimination lawsuit is just about the only way a White can get into that medical school.
    Naturally every California college and employer totally ignores The Prop 209 law unless a White sues on the grounds of racial discrimination.

    All American workers are discriminated against by affirmative action immigrants from Drs to dishwashers.
    , @CraigAustin
    "Polls say" , the most laughable quote of 2016!
    , @Tabasco Jack
    I agree with every thing you stated. I supported Sanders until I discovered he was pro-Zionist and pro-war. I did not bother to vote and was not disappointed when the DNC stabbed him in the back. It rankles me that I have to write this but here it is. If I am perceived as being an anti-Semite then I am the strangest anti-Semite that has crawled from under a rock. Back in the day in 1973, I was drinking at the University of Saarbrucken, at a bar (cavernous) called the Canosa. I had to use the bathroom. This incident occurred during the war between Israel and Arab countries. Next to my urinal was a young man, he was slight of build and maybe five and one-half foot tall.
    I myself am not an imposing physical specimen; I am five feet, ten inches tall and at that time weighed one-hundred, forty-five pounds.
    As the both of us were relieving ourselves, four Saudis came into the bathroom and confronted that young man. They asked him if he was Jewish and he said that he was. I could tell from the timbre of his voice that he was frightened. I knew that these Saudis were going to stomp him. The smallest of the Saudis was taller than I was. As I pulled up my zipper I faced them and said that I was a Jew also (I am not.) I then faced them and was ready to die and die. The ball was in their court and they chose not to serve, instead they turned around and walked out. Punks. All I can say is thank God for PTSD (Vietnam) and I was ready for the Twilight of the Gods. They weren't.
  3. This tension has existed since at least the 1960s. They used to call it the New Left vs. the Old Left. Richard Rorty, an Old Leftist and a postmodernist, wrote a very interesting book called Achieving Our Country. It is a very illuminating read, even prescient of issues that have arisen today.

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  4. utu says:

    “I’m asking is the inverse of Mr. Sunkara’s question: Is it reasonable to think that around one in four of these anti-anti-white socialists could become white advocates?”

    They are onto something. Class, capitalism have explanatory power. On the other race itself intellectually is the dead end. Nothing would be gained if they became white advocates. Instead Mr. Chris Roberts could start looking critically at capitalism and abandon futile racial fantasies.

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  5. Alden says:

    Just how many pro White liberals are there in the entire country? 500? 1000? There can’t be more than that. I know a woman who majored in Marxist not anti White studies in college. She blathers about pure economic Marxism and was a Sanders fan but she voted for Hildabeast because she could not just bring herself to vote for a pro capitalist Republican.

    I’ll believe there are pro White liberals when I see some. There can’t be more than 1000 of them in the entire country. They probably have some ulterior motive.
    One thing liberals are too dumb and brainwashed to realize. Massive immigration was an anti worker measure that capitalists and employers created. So was affirmative action for anything and everything but White men.

    Liberals are the useful idiots of both capitalists and Marxists. Maybe if we had a productive rather than a non profit do gooder economy liberals would produce things rather than running around creating causes and grievances so their non profits can get funding.

    That’s how liberals make a living, it’s called grant hustling or schnorring, schnorrers, professional beggars.

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  6. Anonymous says:

    I’m a white liberal who sympathizes with most of what I read on Unz.com. So I guess I’ll comment.

    You’re definitely on to something here. Identifying the two groups as mostly clinton-supporters and sanders-supporters works too. I was struck plenty of times during 2016 how Sanders and Trump speeches sounded very much alike (to my ears). Yes, there is definitely potential for people in this group to gain a racial conciousness… but also for them to recruit from trump-supporter ranks; it goes both ways.

    You need to find a different name for this group, though, something with no ‘anti’ in it, let alone two. They don’t see themselves as anti-anyone-at-all. They are actually trying to be good allies to the other liberals, just disagreeing on the best way to help them.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    So you're a White liberal who doesn't hate Whites? You must be the only one in the country. I bet that when your children are turned down for college you will rejoice that your family has a chance to make restitution for centuries of slavery and bigotry and the immigration restriction laws that prevented America from being swamped with affirmative action non Whites.

    Liberalism is defined by hatred of Whites and love of any and all non Whites.
    , @Joshua

    You need to find a different name for this group, though, something with no ‘anti’ in it, let alone two. They don’t see themselves as anti-anyone-at-all.
     
    Green-Nationalists.
  7. matt says:

    I’m shocked that anyone would be shocked that socialists are advocates for the working class, white or otherwise.

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  8. Anon says:

    As Sanders proved, the white-hating left currently controls the Democrats, and I don’t see the antis gaining any future traction among the leftists. The Browns and Blacks must have a mark to work their gimmedat con on, and working whites are the designated victim. Browns and Blacks know they have no hope of replacing the upper-middle white intelligensia at their jobs, but they can successfully kick the white working class out of theirs, as long as B & Bs can continue to guilt trip/hector the intelligensia into arranging the defenestration. Unfortunately for America, the B & Bs have found that chasing after their economic interests dovetails perfectly with the class and cultural warfare the intelligensia is furiously practicing against working class whites. A classic pro-worker Marxist would have shot our entire intelligensia, although the latter would be stunned to realize that.

    The antis work against Identity Politics with their traditional pro-labor stance. They will be either purged or discouraged into leaving the Democrats, and I predict they’ll be voting Republican in 2020. The rump of the Democrat party isn’t getting more tolerant or saner. Those people who were sane are leaving or have already left.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " The rump of the Democrat party isn't getting more tolerant or saner. Those people who were sane are leaving or have already left".

    And these wise words just about sum it all up, and reflect that which I have been saying for decades : They, most hard core Democrats including wackos such as BS, are crazy, and until we view them as such we cannot begin to straighten things out.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    , @the esoteric kekist
    They will learn, by ultimatum if need be: Abandon anti-white identity politics, or be condemned to irrelevance in the absence of our support, You still need us, tie your panties in as many knots as you need to, but thems the facts. Be thankful we haven't joined the right wholesale, you pricks deserve it.

    --Regards

    Whitey.
  9. AKAHorace says:

    Yes there is a Social Democratic version of much of what the Alt righters want. In central Europe this group can form governments. In the west though there are about four of us per country. The educational effects of communism ?

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  10. If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed, and if a National Origins Immigration Policy that excluded all nonwhite Legal Immigrants had been implemented:

    1)America in 2016=90 percent Native Born White American majority…

    2)In 2016….a high wage Economy for The Native Born White American Working Class…

    The Historic Native Born White American Working Class is under no obligation to commit racial suicide within the borders because the Asian Fifth Column in the US and a certain narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foriegner War Criminal demands it. And it now looks like the narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foriegner is willing to instigate-ignite Thermonuclear WW3 if he isn’t able to homo and pedophile norm Conservative Orthodox Christian World. The Conservative Christian Vladimir Putin will not let the narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foreigner comet pizza Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia.

    Racial Tribalism was hard wired into the Human Brain over several million years of Primate evolution. This is why Noam Chomsky does not support the right of return for Palestinians to Israel.

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    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @anon
    1) Agree

    2) Disagree; All evidence points to the plutocrats who offshored manufacturing jobs and outsourced service jobs are nearly 100% white. Blaming non-whites for destruction of white working class is delusional and ludicrous. There was probably not a single nonwhite in the board rooms when they decided to close the U.S. facilities and offshore/outsource their production to get a few $ extra profit so that they will get a bonus based on higher stock price. If there were any nonwhites, they would have easily anticipated the tragedy their communities would fall into and opposed the move.
  11. Anti-anti-whiteism strikes me as a good thing, and I hope it gains traction.
    “Race realism” also strikes me as a good thing, but only insofar as it is actually realism, and does not become an ideology in its own right, an ideology that serves to obfuscate individual differences.
    “White nationalism” strikes me as confused and misguided. Much of what is great about Western civilization, and especially the European/”white” phase of Western civilization, seems to hinge on the openness to universality, even when there is also an awareness of rootedness and contingency. (That said, I think “white nationalism” is just wrong, not evil incarnate.)
    “White advocacy” strikes me as what you are left with when civilization goes to all hell. We might end up there, but we ought to fight it.

    I used to consder myself more or less a leftist, but now I realize that a good part of this was thinking that “of course” I was a leftist because I was not a “racist”. I still find vulgar “racism” quite distasteful and often morally wrong (although having thrown off the shackles of “anti-racism” it is easy to be tempted by it). But ideological “anti-racism”, which in practice is “anti-whiteism”, now strikes me as something worse, and it is worse because it is inherently ideological.

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    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Robert Hume
    "I used to consder myself more or less a leftist, but now I realize that a good part of this was thinking that “of course” I was a leftist because I was not a “racist”. I still find vulgar “racism” quite distasteful and often morally wrong (although having thrown off the shackles of “anti-racism” it is easy to be tempted by it). But ideological “anti-racism”, which in practice is “anti-whiteism”, now strikes me as something worse, and it is worse because it is inherently ideological."

    When I was young, in the 1940s,I was upset by my upper class parents distaste for "white trash". Apparently being anti-white working-class goes way back, and so does being instinctively anti-anti-white among a few.
  12. Let’s not call it socialism, Marxism, whatever. I don’t think folks who have worked hard and want to work, are too concerned with the finer academic points. The reality is that you know you are being sold down the river, and it really is that this includes any ethnic person who does the same sort of work and has to compete for the shrinking share as the plutocrats game the system to enrich themselves. I don’t think any of those elitists are about to check the privilege they’ve wrested from the rest of us anytime soon.

    The racial hype being proffered as identity politics is a fancy way of hiding that old standby of the exploiter class, divide and rule. There are new words under every sun, but nothing new in human character, of which these elites are a very bad example of, displaying all the attributes that a common humanity has always condemned in its various religions from time immemorial.

    When it can’t go on any longer, it won’t. Obama may have feared to do anything he promised about economic policy because as he excused himself, “it would have pissed off too many powerful people.” That failure of will leads us further along to where we will find out just how powerful the reaction to pissing off too many people will become.

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    • Replies: @JackOH
    "The reality is that you know you are being sold down the river . . .". Yep, agree.

    I sometimes think we'd have a better politics if our onetime engineers, IT guys, middle managers, et. al., who've been kicked to the curb would quit clinging to the hope of regaining their former respectability, and admit, "I've been friggin' used".

    , @animalogic
    I'm not totally against race as a concept, where it basically used as a synonym for "culture".
    But -- it is a dangerous concept. As other commenters have pointed out race is part of the standard divide & rule tactics elites have been using for centuries. Race is a great channel for resentment, a great by-pass around real issues of economic injustice.
    Not that I'm saying that race is not a legitimate issue of discussion on such topics as affirmative action, criminal justice & immigration etc ....keeping in mind how explosive it may easily become....
  13. @BucephalusXYZ
    Anti-anti-whiteism strikes me as a good thing, and I hope it gains traction.
    "Race realism" also strikes me as a good thing, but only insofar as it is actually realism, and does not become an ideology in its own right, an ideology that serves to obfuscate individual differences.
    "White nationalism" strikes me as confused and misguided. Much of what is great about Western civilization, and especially the European/"white" phase of Western civilization, seems to hinge on the openness to universality, even when there is also an awareness of rootedness and contingency. (That said, I think "white nationalism" is just wrong, not evil incarnate.)
    "White advocacy" strikes me as what you are left with when civilization goes to all hell. We might end up there, but we ought to fight it.

    I used to consder myself more or less a leftist, but now I realize that a good part of this was thinking that "of course" I was a leftist because I was not a "racist". I still find vulgar "racism" quite distasteful and often morally wrong (although having thrown off the shackles of "anti-racism" it is easy to be tempted by it). But ideological "anti-racism", which in practice is "anti-whiteism", now strikes me as something worse, and it is worse because it is inherently ideological.

    “I used to consder myself more or less a leftist, but now I realize that a good part of this was thinking that “of course” I was a leftist because I was not a “racist”. I still find vulgar “racism” quite distasteful and often morally wrong (although having thrown off the shackles of “anti-racism” it is easy to be tempted by it). But ideological “anti-racism”, which in practice is “anti-whiteism”, now strikes me as something worse, and it is worse because it is inherently ideological.”

    When I was young, in the 1940s,I was upset by my upper class parents distaste for “white trash”. Apparently being anti-white working-class goes way back, and so does being instinctively anti-anti-white among a few.

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    • Replies: @BucephalusXYZ
    Interesting. I am decades younger, at least, but it seems we are playing the long game.
  14. Steps says:

    Over the last year or so I’ve been increasingly of the view that the changes happening across the liberal democracies are best explained with Marxist analysis. At the moment the media is spinning the changes as democrat vs republican or one color vs another color, but scratch the surface and it all comes down to capital vs labor .

    While Marxist analysis explains why the electorate is so unsettled, you need to then look at Leninist philosophies to figure out why Mr Trump is the logical choice to fix the problem. Trump was selected to unwittingly break the system that produced him.

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  15. SFG says:

    I support a lot of left-wing positions like national health insurance, controlling carbon emissions, and increasing taxes on the wealthy, and have no openly Republican friends IRL, so I’ll shoot.

    You’re not going to turn them into white advocates. They have sympathy for poor whites, yes, but they see them as ultimately victims, like poor nonwhites, of capitalism. They’re not going to join with other whites *against* poor nonwhites; their principal concern is class and they find the whole idea of advocating against poor nonwhites disgusting. They want poor whites to join poor nonwhites against the rich.

    You might be able to include them in attempts to attack certain facets of globalization like the TPP. You might be able to get them to oppose immigration but you’d have to avoid any taint of racial rhetoric and focus only on the economic effects on the working class of all colors.

    This particular slice of lefties thinks race is a tool used by the upper class to divide the middle and working classes so they don’t unite against it. To be honest, I kind of agree with them–every time we see mass immigration support for the welfare state drops, and the USA is both one of the few democracies with a long history of a racial divide and no real socialism. Sweden was pretty homogeneous until lately.

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  16. Kyle a says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Polls showed that Sanders would have beat Trump by 10 percentage points. It would have been more if he stuck to his principles. Early in his campaign, Sanders spoke out against open borders, but then dropped that issue for unknown reasons. From my blog:

    Aug 1, 2015 - Sanders for President!

    Most readers would be shocked to learn they support most views of Senator Bernie Sanders, who our TV tells us is an evil socialist. Spend a few minutes to watch this recent interview to discover the truth, which includes:

    The interviewer suggests that Sanders’ espousal of democratic socialism entails putting certain international concerns before national ones with policies like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. Sanders responds:

    “Open borders? No. That’s a Koch brothers proposal; a right-wing proposal, which would make everybody in America poorer—you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.

    You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?

    I think from a moral responsibility we’ve got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don’t do that by making people in this country even poorer.”

    The corporate sponsored Democrat Party must keep this madman out of any debates. He’ll stomp Hillary.

    __________________________

    Whatever one think about this issue, the rich Democrat elites put an illegal alien on stage to give a speech on the opening night of their convention. Given the polls showing the American working class angry about mass illegal immigration, this was just stupid, evidenced by the light applause, and a good example of why Clinton loss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8IfRNwyfaM

    Once again, nothing has robbed poor blacks, latinos, and whites of economic opportunities more than mass illegal immigration. They may not speak about it in public, but they know it's true. It hurts healthcare for everyone too, as a visit to the waiting room of any American hospital ER will demonstrate.

    Bernie wouldn’t have won the general election. He didn’t beat Clinton in the primaries even if you removed the superdelegate count.

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  17. @Anon
    As Sanders proved, the white-hating left currently controls the Democrats, and I don't see the antis gaining any future traction among the leftists. The Browns and Blacks must have a mark to work their gimmedat con on, and working whites are the designated victim. Browns and Blacks know they have no hope of replacing the upper-middle white intelligensia at their jobs, but they can successfully kick the white working class out of theirs, as long as B & Bs can continue to guilt trip/hector the intelligensia into arranging the defenestration. Unfortunately for America, the B & Bs have found that chasing after their economic interests dovetails perfectly with the class and cultural warfare the intelligensia is furiously practicing against working class whites. A classic pro-worker Marxist would have shot our entire intelligensia, although the latter would be stunned to realize that.

    The antis work against Identity Politics with their traditional pro-labor stance. They will be either purged or discouraged into leaving the Democrats, and I predict they'll be voting Republican in 2020. The rump of the Democrat party isn't getting more tolerant or saner. Those people who were sane are leaving or have already left.

    ” The rump of the Democrat party isn’t getting more tolerant or saner. Those people who were sane are leaving or have already left”.

    And these wise words just about sum it all up, and reflect that which I have been saying for decades : They, most hard core Democrats including wackos such as BS, are crazy, and until we view them as such we cannot begin to straighten things out.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  18. @Carlton Meyer
    Polls showed that Sanders would have beat Trump by 10 percentage points. It would have been more if he stuck to his principles. Early in his campaign, Sanders spoke out against open borders, but then dropped that issue for unknown reasons. From my blog:

    Aug 1, 2015 - Sanders for President!

    Most readers would be shocked to learn they support most views of Senator Bernie Sanders, who our TV tells us is an evil socialist. Spend a few minutes to watch this recent interview to discover the truth, which includes:

    The interviewer suggests that Sanders’ espousal of democratic socialism entails putting certain international concerns before national ones with policies like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. Sanders responds:

    “Open borders? No. That’s a Koch brothers proposal; a right-wing proposal, which would make everybody in America poorer—you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.

    You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?

    I think from a moral responsibility we’ve got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don’t do that by making people in this country even poorer.”

    The corporate sponsored Democrat Party must keep this madman out of any debates. He’ll stomp Hillary.

    __________________________

    Whatever one think about this issue, the rich Democrat elites put an illegal alien on stage to give a speech on the opening night of their convention. Given the polls showing the American working class angry about mass illegal immigration, this was just stupid, evidenced by the light applause, and a good example of why Clinton loss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8IfRNwyfaM

    Once again, nothing has robbed poor blacks, latinos, and whites of economic opportunities more than mass illegal immigration. They may not speak about it in public, but they know it's true. It hurts healthcare for everyone too, as a visit to the waiting room of any American hospital ER will demonstrate.

    It is all about Racial Tribalism. I d0n’t care if young Hispanics and Blacks are economically undermined by illegal aliens. The Historic Native Born White American Majority has been, and continues to be voted into a violently persecuted racial minority by nonwhite Legal Immigrants and their US born nonwhite geneline.

    Your altruistic sewage is the kind of sewage that can be found at all the parasitical Immigration Reform Organizations in DC.

    Nonwhite Legal Immigrants and their US born nonwhite geneline are a way bigger problem than nonwhite illegal aliens.

    F Americanism!!!….which is what you are pushing.

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  19. The Alt-Left are class realists. If “left” is an ideology, class realists are the only left there is. Clinton Democrats hate the working class and love the ruling class while pandering to their coalition of the fringes. For Class realists the Centrist (read Corporatist) D’s and R’s are largely one and the same. Class realists will not be drawn into racial politics because they seek solidarity among the working classes. The Republicans have nominated and the country has elected a populist in Donald Trump. Populism exists in left and right flavors. I am a class realist myself and I much prefer Trump’s right flavored populism to the corporatism of the Bushes and Clintons.

    Working class Mexicans, Blaxx, Whites, Feminists and Queers have much more in common with the each other than with the .01%. Given a choice most of us would choose peace over war and prosperity over welfare.

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    Working class Mexicans, Blaxx, Whites, Feminists and Queers have much more in common with the each other than with the .01%.
     
    Working class Mexicans, Blacks, Whites - yes I agree with you there. Although I have no idea what blaxx are!

    We part company when it comes to the Feminists and the Queers - feminism and LGBT activism are tools used by the ruling class as part of their divide and rule strategy. Feminism is pure unadulterated evil and it's also pure misogyny. And moral degeneracy has never been good for working class people. Like it or not the traditional family is the core of working class strength. That's why the .01% wants to destroy it.

    If you reject racial identity politics then you have to reject the identity politics of feminism and LGBT activism.
    , @Agent Commie
    Class realist? I like that. Perhaps we know each other?
  20. iffen says:

    Is it reasonable to think that around one in four of these anti-anti-white socialists could become white advocates?

    No.

    I consider myself to be an anti-anti-white pragmatic progressive who is race aware and there is zero chance of me throwing in with Amren types. Anyone with socialist type ideas or views will not be interested in giving up a class and economic analysis in favor of a made up white class ideology. What you will get, and got, is/was massive racial resentment on the part of the white working class that translated into political support for Trump.

    iffen, 67 long years and still not Mensa qualified.

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    • Replies: @Bill

    Anyone with socialist type ideas or views will not be interested in giving up a class and economic analysis in favor of a made up white class ideology.
     
    I've heard that it's possible to be both a racial nationalist and a socialist at the same time. There may even have been someone famous like that once. Also, LOL at the idea that nationalism is made up, but socialism isn't.
  21. biz says:

    One obscure website that hardly anyone has ever heard of aside, I see no evidence that Bernie Sanders or his supporters are any less in the ‘politically correct’ camp than Clinton or her supporters.

    During the course of the campaign Sanders flip-flopped on open borders, endorsed Black Lives Matter More, and allowed two obese black lesbians to forcibly take over one of his rallies. Then Sanders gave Cornell West of all people one of his seats on the platform committee. The contention that he was not knee-deep in identity politics is frankly laughable.

    To partially answer the question at the end, I would be considered a liberal on a few issues, but I detest both identity politics and Marxism equally. Actually, both of those ideologies are strikingly similar in that they erroneously and simplistically view citizens’ primary socio/economic/political role as being part of categories (races, genders, or classes) rather than as individuals that in our society have at least some ability to control their destiny in life.

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    • Replies: @dfordoom

    During the course of the campaign Sanders flip-flopped on open borders, endorsed Black Lives Matter More, and allowed two obese black lesbians to forcibly take over one of his rallies. Then Sanders gave Cornell West of all people one of his seats on the platform committee. The contention that he was not knee-deep in identity politics is frankly laughable.
     
    I'm inclined to think he was just gutless. That's why he isn't POTUS and Trump is.
  22. JackOH says:
    @Fran Macadam
    Let's not call it socialism, Marxism, whatever. I don't think folks who have worked hard and want to work, are too concerned with the finer academic points. The reality is that you know you are being sold down the river, and it really is that this includes any ethnic person who does the same sort of work and has to compete for the shrinking share as the plutocrats game the system to enrich themselves. I don't think any of those elitists are about to check the privilege they've wrested from the rest of us anytime soon.

    The racial hype being proffered as identity politics is a fancy way of hiding that old standby of the exploiter class, divide and rule. There are new words under every sun, but nothing new in human character, of which these elites are a very bad example of, displaying all the attributes that a common humanity has always condemned in its various religions from time immemorial.

    When it can't go on any longer, it won't. Obama may have feared to do anything he promised about economic policy because as he excused himself, "it would have pissed off too many powerful people." That failure of will leads us further along to where we will find out just how powerful the reaction to pissing off too many people will become.

    “The reality is that you know you are being sold down the river . . .”. Yep, agree.

    I sometimes think we’d have a better politics if our onetime engineers, IT guys, middle managers, et. al., who’ve been kicked to the curb would quit clinging to the hope of regaining their former respectability, and admit, “I’ve been friggin’ used”.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    I sometimes think we’d have a better politics if our onetime engineers, IT guys, middle managers, et. al., who’ve been kicked to the curb would quit clinging to the hope of regaining their former respectability, and admit, “I’ve been friggin’ used”.

    Having been one and knowing how profoundly stupid and gullible these people are when it comes to labor politics, I would have no hope of that. You can't imagine how many times I was told when I commented on H-1B visas, guest worker and immigrants that "I can compete with anybody" or "We do better on our own" when talking about some kind of professional organization like a guild or union.
  23. CK says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Polls showed that Sanders would have beat Trump by 10 percentage points. It would have been more if he stuck to his principles. Early in his campaign, Sanders spoke out against open borders, but then dropped that issue for unknown reasons. From my blog:

    Aug 1, 2015 - Sanders for President!

    Most readers would be shocked to learn they support most views of Senator Bernie Sanders, who our TV tells us is an evil socialist. Spend a few minutes to watch this recent interview to discover the truth, which includes:

    The interviewer suggests that Sanders’ espousal of democratic socialism entails putting certain international concerns before national ones with policies like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. Sanders responds:

    “Open borders? No. That’s a Koch brothers proposal; a right-wing proposal, which would make everybody in America poorer—you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.

    You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?

    I think from a moral responsibility we’ve got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don’t do that by making people in this country even poorer.”

    The corporate sponsored Democrat Party must keep this madman out of any debates. He’ll stomp Hillary.

    __________________________

    Whatever one think about this issue, the rich Democrat elites put an illegal alien on stage to give a speech on the opening night of their convention. Given the polls showing the American working class angry about mass illegal immigration, this was just stupid, evidenced by the light applause, and a good example of why Clinton loss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8IfRNwyfaM

    Once again, nothing has robbed poor blacks, latinos, and whites of economic opportunities more than mass illegal immigration. They may not speak about it in public, but they know it's true. It hurts healthcare for everyone too, as a visit to the waiting room of any American hospital ER will demonstrate.

    ” Polls showed …” Clinton beating Trump right up until she lost at 9pm election day.
    This election has showed polls to be less than worthy, and pollsters more than a little agenda driven.

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  24. An interesting niche in the political Left has appeared over the last 18 months.

    I guess you didn’t notice us when we were supporting Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich. I didn’t support Bernie or Obama because I could see both were loyal to the deep state. I supported Ron Paul and then Donald Trump in the absence of any honest candidate on the left. The Alt Left gets sucked in by the D’s like the Religious Right gets sucked in by the R’s.

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    WorkingClass, I vote Libertarian out of habit, but mention Nader and Kucinich and you're talking my language. BTW-Nader and Pat Buchanan met some years back and found much to agree on. Anything to grab our controlling, smother State from the hands of our corporate masters.
  25. JackOH says:
    @WorkingClass

    An interesting niche in the political Left has appeared over the last 18 months.
     
    I guess you didn't notice us when we were supporting Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich. I didn't support Bernie or Obama because I could see both were loyal to the deep state. I supported Ron Paul and then Donald Trump in the absence of any honest candidate on the left. The Alt Left gets sucked in by the D's like the Religious Right gets sucked in by the R's.

    WorkingClass, I vote Libertarian out of habit, but mention Nader and Kucinich and you’re talking my language. BTW-Nader and Pat Buchanan met some years back and found much to agree on. Anything to grab our controlling, smother State from the hands of our corporate masters.

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  26. They hate whites because they’re zionists, not left wingers. The anti Zionist left is the same as the old left. Zion took over the left and cucked out the dems, just like the repubs many years earlier.

    Zion always wins.

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  27. Until very recently, I would have considered myself to be an ‘anti-anti-White socialist’ as well. But now, more and more, I simply consider myself to be a White socialist. I spent many a year caucusing with the sort of people described in this article, but ultimately I found their movement (if I may call it that) wanting, for 3 main reasons:

    1.) They are at an inherent disadvantage vis-a-vis the pro-Clinton anti-working class ‘left’, largely because they lack any institutional support and recognition. All that Soros money, for example, goes to race-huslters like BLM and overseas ‘color revolutions’. And apart from a few websites, they lack any real media presence at all anymore. People like Jeff Bezos and Carlos Slim see no interest in promoting a worker’s revolution … can’t imagine why!

    2.) Perhaps more damningly, most of the anti-anti-Whites, however much they may whine about ‘identity politics’, are themselves, to some extent, infected by the exact same PC virus, which prevents them from ever effectively opposing today’s establishment. As in the case of Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn, if you want to render them completely harmless and ineffective, all you have to do is have your media lob baseless charges of sexism (‘Bernie Bros.’), racism (BLM) or anti-semetism (meaning anti-Zionism), and people like that will fall all over themselves trying to prove–to their own enemy’s satisfaction!–that the charges are untrue. In so doing, they completely lose their original message and focus, and allow their enemy to continue to monopolize the discourse. Now contrast their reaction with that of Trump, who, whenever his was accused of something like that, would simply lay his enemies low with a tweet, and then get back to his basic message. That is why the establishment media hated Trump so: he wouldn’t play the same game with them as their enemies on the left.

    To be sure, I haven’t severed all links to the alt-left, but for now, I’m caucusing more with the alt-right.

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    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " I consider myself to be a white socialist

    Have you ever been inside of a "Socialist" workers paradise? Nope, well I have and this long before the wall fell, and the morbid memories of downtrodden lifeless people with dead eyes and their last years breakfast upon their shirts remain with me to this day.

    The morgue atmosphere of the cities , and empty shop shelves cannot be accurately described to people who have not witnessed it with their own two eyes.

    Of course each new generation of socialist/communists claim that they : the Russians and Chinese, Cubans, etc, that they were the "Wrong" ones and they did not understand true communism, and they really did not want to create true communism, and WE are the "Right" ones and we will get it right this time.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
    , @Corvinus
    "Until very recently, I would have considered myself to be an ‘anti-anti-White socialist’ as well."

    Except that is another useless meme concocted by the Coalition of the Right Fringe groups.
  28. KenH says:

    Call me a cynic, but I think the anti-anti-white rhetoric of Jacobin and other like lefty sources is calculated to stop the hemorrhaging of white moral support at least until we are a politically disenfranchised minority. It’s finally dawned on them that the implacable racial hatred of whites that has so defined the Jewish led left, especially under the reign of Hussein O, is alienating whites to the point where they are finally becoming racially conscious and adopting an “us vs. them” attitude that non-whites have traditionally had towards whites. If this trend continues it doesn’t bode well for the multiracial Marxism (e.g., races can peacefully coexist under true Marxism) that the Jacobin socialists/leftists are selling.

    Just focusing on economic Marxism while jettisoning anti-white cultural Marxism won’t really cut it either. Marxism failed in the multiethnic Soviet Union and multiethnic and multifaith Yugoslavia and each were only held together for so long and ethnic and religious passions held in check by a gun toting and truncheon wielding police and surveillance state.

    Besides, not only has economic determinism (whether liberal or conservative) failed miserably in America and everywhere but Marxists are trying to compete with an indomitable force of nature called ethnonationalism.

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    Marxism didn't fail in the Soviet Union because of ethnonationalism; it failed because of corruption and lack of systemically-supported accountability. When everything is determined by where you stand in the party-state power structure, accountability breaks down. Interestingly, it was the KGB that recognized corruption as a threat to national security and their anti-corruption campaign weakened the Brezhnocracy to the point that they couldn't suppress reformers starting with Andropov. As it turned out, corruption adapted to the reforms and won anyway towards the end of Gorbachev's tenure with profound implications for the security of Russia and the other former SSRs. What might be called ethnonationalist conflicts between the SSRs were simply conflicts of interest defined by political and economic geography, not ethnicity. The Ukrainian and other SSRs were successful at wheeling and dealing with the central Soviet government to get their hands deeper into the cookie jar, to the detriment of the ability of the central government to function, but in their interests as political and economic, not ethnic, units. Ethnic Russians were as much a part of that game within the non-Russian SSRs as were other ethnicities. Ethnonationalism has seen a resurgence in the former SSRs mainly as a tool of western-supported political factions.

    Multiethnic Yugoslavia had a lot of outside help in failing. Whether its breakup without outside interference would have been a certainty is in the realm of imponderables. But no objective measure would indicate that they are better off as a series of ethno-statelets. The selling point for the breakup, self-determination, turned out to be a false promise.
  29. anonymous says:

    The old left, which had class consciousness at it’s center, was infiltrated and coopted by the government acting on behalf of the upper economic classes. Thus identity politics were substituted for class awareness, a real neat trick. In this way greedy elitist moneybags who wouldn’t even spit on the average minimum wage worker can posture as being some sort of people’s champions. The media is owned by the billionaire-corporate class so of course they’re able to keep up the total spectrum propaganda environment 24/7. It’s also spawned the religion of PC-cult-think which is impervious to reason and has unleashed all these Red Guards upon us. Keep all the little people fighting amongst each other, divert them with hot-buttton issues, divide and rule.
    Of course what Sanders and Trump spoke out on overlap quite a bit, adjusting for style and delivery. Average people don’t want all these wars of aggression; they gain nothing by them but pay the endless bills and some see their children go off to them. The American ideal is good wages and available jobs. Take that away and what’s left, a drive toward third-worldism. People want work and income, not Food Stamps. This entails running America for the benefit of the majority of Americans. There’s already 330M people here; we don’t need to have 1B and become some anthill of a country. Clinton was a war-monger and globalist, a sleazy and crooked puppet of the .1% whose only loyalty is to their bank accounts, exactly the opposite of what the majority of people want for the country they live in.

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    First paragraph, excellent.

    Second paragraph closer to Little Red Riding Hood on her way to grandma's house.

    The only thing that might be added to the first paragraph is that the "Conservatives" practiced the very same deceptions with "social conservatism", with and without the NeoCons.

    It is all a show on both sides, which are actually one.

    Moreover, in regard to the second paragraph, Trump and Sanders are both decoys of the duoply, like Obama was. Sanders is about as much a Socialist or Marxist as Hollande. His purpose was to defuse the anti-war vote that appeared under Kucinich and herd it into the tent of the greater and lesser evil, the latter being the Democrat party. If he had won, fine--he is still Capitalist, Imperialist and so forth, much more than Kucinich, who was just naivety walking.

    Trump is the anti-Obama, looking completely novel and the working man's hero to boot. But at best he is the billionaires deciding to cut out the middleman and become the government rather than just owning it.

    So the Magic Negro followed by the Magic White Man and, if the show lasts that long, the Magic White Man challenged by the Magic White Woman, the faux reformer Warren.

    As for the media's supposed reaction to Trump, that deserves an extensive footnote somewhere, but was exactly that--"supposed", that is, consummately engineered to look glaring but in reality over very small and mainly rhtetorical disagreements.

    Enjoy the show, suckers--the illusions are the only reality in it all.

  30. The non-racial Left has a much better history of progress than the current Capitalist-Identity Alliance. The Great Society / War on Poverty in the first half on the 20th century actually changed things for the better. Now the capitalist Democrat elite just pay for the identity-obsessed fringes to squabble among each other. Ironically, the obsession with these identities caused the Whites to think – “Hey, I have an identity too. I’m voting Trump”.

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  31. @Seamus Padraig
    Until very recently, I would have considered myself to be an 'anti-anti-White socialist' as well. But now, more and more, I simply consider myself to be a White socialist. I spent many a year caucusing with the sort of people described in this article, but ultimately I found their movement (if I may call it that) wanting, for 3 main reasons:

    1.) They are at an inherent disadvantage vis-a-vis the pro-Clinton anti-working class 'left', largely because they lack any institutional support and recognition. All that Soros money, for example, goes to race-huslters like BLM and overseas 'color revolutions'. And apart from a few websites, they lack any real media presence at all anymore. People like Jeff Bezos and Carlos Slim see no interest in promoting a worker's revolution ... can't imagine why!

    2.) Perhaps more damningly, most of the anti-anti-Whites, however much they may whine about 'identity politics', are themselves, to some extent, infected by the exact same PC virus, which prevents them from ever effectively opposing today's establishment. As in the case of Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn, if you want to render them completely harmless and ineffective, all you have to do is have your media lob baseless charges of sexism ('Bernie Bros.'), racism (BLM) or anti-semetism (meaning anti-Zionism), and people like that will fall all over themselves trying to prove--to their own enemy's satisfaction!--that the charges are untrue. In so doing, they completely lose their original message and focus, and allow their enemy to continue to monopolize the discourse. Now contrast their reaction with that of Trump, who, whenever his was accused of something like that, would simply lay his enemies low with a tweet, and then get back to his basic message. That is why the establishment media hated Trump so: he wouldn't play the same game with them as their enemies on the left.

    To be sure, I haven't severed all links to the alt-left, but for now, I'm caucusing more with the alt-right.

    ” I consider myself to be a white socialist

    Have you ever been inside of a “Socialist” workers paradise? Nope, well I have and this long before the wall fell, and the morbid memories of downtrodden lifeless people with dead eyes and their last years breakfast upon their shirts remain with me to this day.

    The morgue atmosphere of the cities , and empty shop shelves cannot be accurately described to people who have not witnessed it with their own two eyes.

    Of course each new generation of socialist/communists claim that they : the Russians and Chinese, Cubans, etc, that they were the “Wrong” ones and they did not understand true communism, and they really did not want to create true communism, and WE are the “Right” ones and we will get it right this time.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    • Replies: @Tulip
    Plenty of Scandinavian and Northern European countries that are much more socialist than the US but very livable. Further, get rid of the people who don't belong there and ditch feminism and get your tfr's up to replacement on the native side, and they would only be more livable.

    The question is whether "socialism" can be severed from the multi-kulturkampf and and the sterile diktats of the feminist commissars, that is to say can socialism be pro-national heritage and pro-natalist? I think it can, the only problem in the Anglosphere is branding.

    The closest thing to an ethnonationalist movement is, of course, a labor movement.

  32. @anonymous
    The old left, which had class consciousness at it's center, was infiltrated and coopted by the government acting on behalf of the upper economic classes. Thus identity politics were substituted for class awareness, a real neat trick. In this way greedy elitist moneybags who wouldn't even spit on the average minimum wage worker can posture as being some sort of people's champions. The media is owned by the billionaire-corporate class so of course they're able to keep up the total spectrum propaganda environment 24/7. It's also spawned the religion of PC-cult-think which is impervious to reason and has unleashed all these Red Guards upon us. Keep all the little people fighting amongst each other, divert them with hot-buttton issues, divide and rule.
    Of course what Sanders and Trump spoke out on overlap quite a bit, adjusting for style and delivery. Average people don't want all these wars of aggression; they gain nothing by them but pay the endless bills and some see their children go off to them. The American ideal is good wages and available jobs. Take that away and what's left, a drive toward third-worldism. People want work and income, not Food Stamps. This entails running America for the benefit of the majority of Americans. There's already 330M people here; we don't need to have 1B and become some anthill of a country. Clinton was a war-monger and globalist, a sleazy and crooked puppet of the .1% whose only loyalty is to their bank accounts, exactly the opposite of what the majority of people want for the country they live in.

    First paragraph, excellent.

    Second paragraph closer to Little Red Riding Hood on her way to grandma’s house.

    The only thing that might be added to the first paragraph is that the “Conservatives” practiced the very same deceptions with “social conservatism”, with and without the NeoCons.

    It is all a show on both sides, which are actually one.

    Moreover, in regard to the second paragraph, Trump and Sanders are both decoys of the duoply, like Obama was. Sanders is about as much a Socialist or Marxist as Hollande. His purpose was to defuse the anti-war vote that appeared under Kucinich and herd it into the tent of the greater and lesser evil, the latter being the Democrat party. If he had won, fine–he is still Capitalist, Imperialist and so forth, much more than Kucinich, who was just naivety walking.

    Trump is the anti-Obama, looking completely novel and the working man’s hero to boot. But at best he is the billionaires deciding to cut out the middleman and become the government rather than just owning it.

    So the Magic Negro followed by the Magic White Man and, if the show lasts that long, the Magic White Man challenged by the Magic White Woman, the faux reformer Warren.

    As for the media’s supposed reaction to Trump, that deserves an extensive footnote somewhere, but was exactly that–”supposed”, that is, consummately engineered to look glaring but in reality over very small and mainly rhtetorical disagreements.

    Enjoy the show, suckers–the illusions are the only reality in it all.

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  33. Alden says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Polls showed that Sanders would have beat Trump by 10 percentage points. It would have been more if he stuck to his principles. Early in his campaign, Sanders spoke out against open borders, but then dropped that issue for unknown reasons. From my blog:

    Aug 1, 2015 - Sanders for President!

    Most readers would be shocked to learn they support most views of Senator Bernie Sanders, who our TV tells us is an evil socialist. Spend a few minutes to watch this recent interview to discover the truth, which includes:

    The interviewer suggests that Sanders’ espousal of democratic socialism entails putting certain international concerns before national ones with policies like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. Sanders responds:

    “Open borders? No. That’s a Koch brothers proposal; a right-wing proposal, which would make everybody in America poorer—you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.

    You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?

    I think from a moral responsibility we’ve got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don’t do that by making people in this country even poorer.”

    The corporate sponsored Democrat Party must keep this madman out of any debates. He’ll stomp Hillary.

    __________________________

    Whatever one think about this issue, the rich Democrat elites put an illegal alien on stage to give a speech on the opening night of their convention. Given the polls showing the American working class angry about mass illegal immigration, this was just stupid, evidenced by the light applause, and a good example of why Clinton loss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8IfRNwyfaM

    Once again, nothing has robbed poor blacks, latinos, and whites of economic opportunities more than mass illegal immigration. They may not speak about it in public, but they know it's true. It hurts healthcare for everyone too, as a visit to the waiting room of any American hospital ER will demonstrate.

    And nothing has destroyed prospects for well educated American STEM grads than mass Asian and Indian legal immigrants.

    Been to a hospital lately? Nothing but legal immigrant Asians and Indians. Silicon Valley and Redmond Wa? It’s nothing but legal Asian and Indian legal immigrants. Accountants, Americans are laid off and replaced by Phillipino legal immigrant women.
    Check out the science and engineering campus of the nearest college. You will find nothing but Asian and Indian legal immigrants.

    And don’t argue that Anericans don’t want to study STEM subjects. They are not admitted to colleges due to affirmative action for anything but White.
    I used to work at a major university. The medical school classes were half women, mostly Chinese, mostly not immigrants but Chinese nationals. The 50 % male group was about 45% non White. Again mostly Chinese nationals, not immigrants with maybe one or two American blacks and only a very few White American men. Most of the White men were Armenians and Persians whose wealthy families had the money to file a racial discrimination law suit. Because California law, Prop 209 forbids affirmative action a racial discrimination lawsuit is just about the only way a White can get into that medical school.
    Naturally every California college and employer totally ignores The Prop 209 law unless a White sues on the grounds of racial discrimination.

    All American workers are discriminated against by affirmative action immigrants from Drs to dishwashers.

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    For what it is worth, Asians usually don't get any advantage from affirmative action programs. We're not counted as "disadvantaged" minority and actually have quotas against us. If we overtake STEM classes, its largely because we've found out how to game the system - specifically exam cut-offs.
  34. Corvinus says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Until very recently, I would have considered myself to be an 'anti-anti-White socialist' as well. But now, more and more, I simply consider myself to be a White socialist. I spent many a year caucusing with the sort of people described in this article, but ultimately I found their movement (if I may call it that) wanting, for 3 main reasons:

    1.) They are at an inherent disadvantage vis-a-vis the pro-Clinton anti-working class 'left', largely because they lack any institutional support and recognition. All that Soros money, for example, goes to race-huslters like BLM and overseas 'color revolutions'. And apart from a few websites, they lack any real media presence at all anymore. People like Jeff Bezos and Carlos Slim see no interest in promoting a worker's revolution ... can't imagine why!

    2.) Perhaps more damningly, most of the anti-anti-Whites, however much they may whine about 'identity politics', are themselves, to some extent, infected by the exact same PC virus, which prevents them from ever effectively opposing today's establishment. As in the case of Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn, if you want to render them completely harmless and ineffective, all you have to do is have your media lob baseless charges of sexism ('Bernie Bros.'), racism (BLM) or anti-semetism (meaning anti-Zionism), and people like that will fall all over themselves trying to prove--to their own enemy's satisfaction!--that the charges are untrue. In so doing, they completely lose their original message and focus, and allow their enemy to continue to monopolize the discourse. Now contrast their reaction with that of Trump, who, whenever his was accused of something like that, would simply lay his enemies low with a tweet, and then get back to his basic message. That is why the establishment media hated Trump so: he wouldn't play the same game with them as their enemies on the left.

    To be sure, I haven't severed all links to the alt-left, but for now, I'm caucusing more with the alt-right.

    “Until very recently, I would have considered myself to be an ‘anti-anti-White socialist’ as well.”

    Except that is another useless meme concocted by the Coalition of the Right Fringe groups.

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  35. mtn cur says:

    Once most humans become satisfied with the position of their clan of savages versus other tribes they will immediately upgrade their war of position against the swine of their own tribe. It is unfortunate that training children in pragmatic self interest must itself include training and discipline that smacks of savagery.
    Defending yourself in a society where most think and act like hogs at the trough very often requires ugly words and actions, but when it becomes a permanent condition, we become one more corn fed hog fattening for the slaughter, rather than conscious humans.
    See “White Trash” by Isenberg

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    See “White Trash” by Isenberg

    It's worth the price of the book just to see 101 names that have been used to describe white trash.

  36. MJMD says:

    I wouldn’t consider myself a “liberal” at this point (maybe a classical liberal, almost), although you probably would. I began writing this response to be dismissive of your suggestion: but, thinking about it as I write, I suppose it’s possible. You stand little chance of bringing them over into your camp through your own efforts, though: either the war with anti-white racists will induce some of them to bolt from the herd to an isolated racist reactionary position or they will become disillusioned with Marxism while remaining unmotivated re racial issues. One in four? Maybe, but none of the thoughtful, articulate ones. “White advocacy” doesn’t have the intellectual heft to convince anyone.

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  37. Tulip says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    " I consider myself to be a white socialist

    Have you ever been inside of a "Socialist" workers paradise? Nope, well I have and this long before the wall fell, and the morbid memories of downtrodden lifeless people with dead eyes and their last years breakfast upon their shirts remain with me to this day.

    The morgue atmosphere of the cities , and empty shop shelves cannot be accurately described to people who have not witnessed it with their own two eyes.

    Of course each new generation of socialist/communists claim that they : the Russians and Chinese, Cubans, etc, that they were the "Wrong" ones and they did not understand true communism, and they really did not want to create true communism, and WE are the "Right" ones and we will get it right this time.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    Plenty of Scandinavian and Northern European countries that are much more socialist than the US but very livable. Further, get rid of the people who don’t belong there and ditch feminism and get your tfr’s up to replacement on the native side, and they would only be more livable.

    The question is whether “socialism” can be severed from the multi-kulturkampf and and the sterile diktats of the feminist commissars, that is to say can socialism be pro-national heritage and pro-natalist? I think it can, the only problem in the Anglosphere is branding.

    The closest thing to an ethnonationalist movement is, of course, a labor movement.

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    Yes, it seems such an obvious point, but the Soviet model isn't the only model of socialism. A mixed economy in many ways would probably be better. The main thing is, we need to put the collective interests of our people first, and not get so hung up on abstract ideology and theory--whether capitalist or communist.
  38. Tulip says:

    I think it would bear noticing the ways in which FDR’s New Deal was explicitly white nationalist, and the ways in which Southern Progressives (e.g. white nationalists) were instrumental in bringing about the New Deal.

    You will never get popular support for socialism in the US unless the benefits are distributed in such a way that the relative power of various ethnic groups is unaffected (e.g. disproportionately benefit whites). Great Society was a total loser because it helped the bottom disproportionately, threatening the White Working Class’s relative power and status in society, ergo Wallace and Reagan.

    This is the problem with the “Progressive Left”. If they propose a program that will disproportionately help whites, then working class whites get on board, but then out come the minorities to torpedo it for racism. If you placate the minorities, then the white working class jumps off the train.

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  39. iffen says:
    @mtn cur
    Once most humans become satisfied with the position of their clan of savages versus other tribes they will immediately upgrade their war of position against the swine of their own tribe. It is unfortunate that training children in pragmatic self interest must itself include training and discipline that smacks of savagery.
    Defending yourself in a society where most think and act like hogs at the trough very often requires ugly words and actions, but when it becomes a permanent condition, we become one more corn fed hog fattening for the slaughter, rather than conscious humans.
    See "White Trash" by Isenberg

    See “White Trash” by Isenberg

    It’s worth the price of the book just to see 101 names that have been used to describe white trash.

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  40. Tulip says:

    What unites white nationalism and revolutionary socialism is that they are both ideologies which conceive of a group unified in solidarity, banding together to throw off the chains of their oppressors. [They are both deeply identitarian at heart.]

    Further, a non-country club white nationalism that focused on class struggle as much as ethnic struggle could organize the white working class and the lost souls into an effective movement which could upset the status quo. It would scare everyone, and it could attack both the Left and the Right as cuckservatives, the Left for selling out its people in the class struggle, and the Right for selling out its people in the ethnic struggle. The MSM would really love it!

    I think it could be very appealing to right-sort of young man.

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  41. Mark Green says: • Website

    This is a muddled and confusing article. Leftists do not eschew racial identity politics. Absurd. Leftists abhor racial identity politics for whites.

    Among the Left, racial identity politics is perfectly OK for blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, Jews/Israelis and Asians.

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    There is no "Left" in the United States. The duopoly is divided into two parties: (1) The Right Wing (Democrats); (2) The Even More Right Wing (Republicans).

    They are both hyper-Capitalist and Imperialist, with different rhetoric.

    They are both owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Finance Capitalists and the Corporations.

    Trump and Sanders are new series offered by the producers of the reality show, "GADZOOKS! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!"

  42. @Alden
    And nothing has destroyed prospects for well educated American STEM grads than mass Asian and Indian legal immigrants.

    Been to a hospital lately? Nothing but legal immigrant Asians and Indians. Silicon Valley and Redmond Wa? It's nothing but legal Asian and Indian legal immigrants. Accountants, Americans are laid off and replaced by Phillipino legal immigrant women.
    Check out the science and engineering campus of the nearest college. You will find nothing but Asian and Indian legal immigrants.

    And don't argue that Anericans don't want to study STEM subjects. They are not admitted to colleges due to affirmative action for anything but White.
    I used to work at a major university. The medical school classes were half women, mostly Chinese, mostly not immigrants but Chinese nationals. The 50 % male group was about 45% non White. Again mostly Chinese nationals, not immigrants with maybe one or two American blacks and only a very few White American men. Most of the White men were Armenians and Persians whose wealthy families had the money to file a racial discrimination law suit. Because California law, Prop 209 forbids affirmative action a racial discrimination lawsuit is just about the only way a White can get into that medical school.
    Naturally every California college and employer totally ignores The Prop 209 law unless a White sues on the grounds of racial discrimination.

    All American workers are discriminated against by affirmative action immigrants from Drs to dishwashers.

    For what it is worth, Asians usually don’t get any advantage from affirmative action programs. We’re not counted as “disadvantaged” minority and actually have quotas against us. If we overtake STEM classes, its largely because we’ve found out how to game the system – specifically exam cut-offs.

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    Is that true? I know Reagan added people from Pakistan and India as Asians and made them disadvantaged which made them eligible for contracting set-asides and small business loan priority. This why you see them in every 7-11 and motels. Koreans used to have a lot of small markets in the inner city and I assume that was due to loans from the government.
    , @anon
    Your humility is appreciated; but Pitchai and Nadella (just examples) did not succeed by "gaming exam cut-offs", whatever that phrase means. Pitchai helped create Chrome browser that is #1 in market share and ChromeOS that is disrupting Apple, Intel and Microsoft via Chromebooks. Nadella has greatly stabilized Microsoft after the crazy regime of Steve Ballmer.
    , @anon
    You wouldn't believe there may be other factors too? Like how Toyota and Honda have been able to lay to waste the U.S. big three?
    , @Alden
    I know how Asians get accepted to college. But why does a major American med school accept mostly Chinese citizens instead of Anerican Chinese American citizens

    As far as hospital and tech industry employment goes, employers just don't want Whites. Employing Asians and even technically White Indians satisfied affirmative action so the tech companies don't have to employ blacks and Hispanics

    Every race but Whites can network. A Phillipinos nurse gets a job. Because she is not White she gets into management And pretty soon every nurse in the hospital is a Phillipino with connections to the Philkipino managing nurse

    As for the California universities like UCLA, USC, Cal tech, cal Berkeley it's just Asians Asians Asians
  43. @Mark Green
    This is a muddled and confusing article. Leftists do not eschew racial identity politics. Absurd. Leftists abhor racial identity politics for whites.

    Among the Left, racial identity politics is perfectly OK for blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, Jews/Israelis and Asians.

    There is no “Left” in the United States. The duopoly is divided into two parties: (1) The Right Wing (Democrats); (2) The Even More Right Wing (Republicans).

    They are both hyper-Capitalist and Imperialist, with different rhetoric.

    They are both owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Finance Capitalists and the Corporations.

    Trump and Sanders are new series offered by the producers of the reality show, “GADZOOKS! THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!”

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  44. All those little conflicting identities gathered under the parasol of the Great White or Coffee-Colored Father or Mother (eventually) in Washington, DC, jeje.

    Well, with Trump, the billionaires have decided to become the govenrment rather than to own it.

    Most of them, like Trump himself, are nouveaux riches.

    If they are anything more than ephemeral, don’t expect anything as civilized as the Venetian Republic, jo, jo, jo.

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  45. @Tulip
    Plenty of Scandinavian and Northern European countries that are much more socialist than the US but very livable. Further, get rid of the people who don't belong there and ditch feminism and get your tfr's up to replacement on the native side, and they would only be more livable.

    The question is whether "socialism" can be severed from the multi-kulturkampf and and the sterile diktats of the feminist commissars, that is to say can socialism be pro-national heritage and pro-natalist? I think it can, the only problem in the Anglosphere is branding.

    The closest thing to an ethnonationalist movement is, of course, a labor movement.

    Yes, it seems such an obvious point, but the Soviet model isn’t the only model of socialism. A mixed economy in many ways would probably be better. The main thing is, we need to put the collective interests of our people first, and not get so hung up on abstract ideology and theory–whether capitalist or communist.

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  46. MarkinLA says:
    @JackOH
    "The reality is that you know you are being sold down the river . . .". Yep, agree.

    I sometimes think we'd have a better politics if our onetime engineers, IT guys, middle managers, et. al., who've been kicked to the curb would quit clinging to the hope of regaining their former respectability, and admit, "I've been friggin' used".

    I sometimes think we’d have a better politics if our onetime engineers, IT guys, middle managers, et. al., who’ve been kicked to the curb would quit clinging to the hope of regaining their former respectability, and admit, “I’ve been friggin’ used”.

    Having been one and knowing how profoundly stupid and gullible these people are when it comes to labor politics, I would have no hope of that. You can’t imagine how many times I was told when I commented on H-1B visas, guest worker and immigrants that “I can compete with anybody” or “We do better on our own” when talking about some kind of professional organization like a guild or union.

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    "You can't imagine . . .". I can imagine. Professional pride turned to vanity? Willful blindness? Political naivete? Something keeps that cohort of well-educated but downscale Americans from seeing reality.

    Affirmative action, gamed to favor White women, plus the H1B-immigration hustle are making ambitious, talented White American guys . . . redundant. I'll guess the thought of a corporate-directed American government working actively against you for its own reasons is pretty horrific to think about. Thanks.
  47. Alden says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm a white liberal who sympathizes with most of what I read on Unz.com. So I guess I'll comment.

    You're definitely on to something here. Identifying the two groups as mostly clinton-supporters and sanders-supporters works too. I was struck plenty of times during 2016 how Sanders and Trump speeches sounded very much alike (to my ears). Yes, there is definitely potential for people in this group to gain a racial conciousness... but also for them to recruit from trump-supporter ranks; it goes both ways.

    You need to find a different name for this group, though, something with no 'anti' in it, let alone two. They don't see themselves as anti-anyone-at-all. They are actually trying to be good allies to the other liberals, just disagreeing on the best way to help them.

    So you’re a White liberal who doesn’t hate Whites? You must be the only one in the country. I bet that when your children are turned down for college you will rejoice that your family has a chance to make restitution for centuries of slavery and bigotry and the immigration restriction laws that prevented America from being swamped with affirmative action non Whites.

    Liberalism is defined by hatred of Whites and love of any and all non Whites.

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  48. MarkinLA says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    For what it is worth, Asians usually don't get any advantage from affirmative action programs. We're not counted as "disadvantaged" minority and actually have quotas against us. If we overtake STEM classes, its largely because we've found out how to game the system - specifically exam cut-offs.

    Is that true? I know Reagan added people from Pakistan and India as Asians and made them disadvantaged which made them eligible for contracting set-asides and small business loan priority. This why you see them in every 7-11 and motels. Koreans used to have a lot of small markets in the inner city and I assume that was due to loans from the government.

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  49. anon says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed, and if a National Origins Immigration Policy that excluded all nonwhite Legal Immigrants had been implemented:

    1)America in 2016=90 percent Native Born White American majority...



    2)In 2016....a high wage Economy for The Native Born White American Working Class...


    The Historic Native Born White American Working Class is under no obligation to commit racial suicide within the borders because the Asian Fifth Column in the US and a certain narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foriegner War Criminal demands it. And it now looks like the narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foriegner is willing to instigate-ignite Thermonuclear WW3 if he isn't able to homo and pedophile norm Conservative Orthodox Christian World. The Conservative Christian Vladimir Putin will not let the narcissistic homosexual Kenyan Foreigner comet pizza Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia.


    Racial Tribalism was hard wired into the Human Brain over several million years of Primate evolution. This is why Noam Chomsky does not support the right of return for Palestinians to Israel.

    1) Agree

    2) Disagree; All evidence points to the plutocrats who offshored manufacturing jobs and outsourced service jobs are nearly 100% white. Blaming non-whites for destruction of white working class is delusional and ludicrous. There was probably not a single nonwhite in the board rooms when they decided to close the U.S. facilities and offshore/outsource their production to get a few $ extra profit so that they will get a bonus based on higher stock price. If there were any nonwhites, they would have easily anticipated the tragedy their communities would fall into and opposed the move.

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    Anon

    Thanks for responding. What you wrote is true....but what you leave out makes it a half-truth.

    The Chinese Fifth Column and Hindu Fifth Column are a very powerfull highly racialized Asian Fifth Column within the borders of the US. The Hindu Fifth Column in the US....India Policy Group owns over 3/4 of the US C0ngress. Everytime there has been serious discussion in the US C0ngress to restrict the number of Chinese Nationals c0mmint to the US to study, The Chinese Fifth Column organizes over the internet to block any legislation to cut back on importing Chinese Nationals studying in the US.


    Everytime there has been discussion in the US Congress to lower the number of Hindu doctors entering the US, the Hindu physicians organize and make issue hyper-racial Hindu political threats.


    Asians are the Academic-Silicon Valley Gate Keepers in the Tech World....This is nothing less than a genocidal extermination of The Native Born White American Scientific...Medical...Engineering Workforce-the present one...and the future one that will never be developed.Yet the White Cuck DC Immigration Reform Organizations yap on for years about how post-1965 immigration harms Asian Americans....N0 mention of Whitey-to quote that well known Clancy Brothers song:''
    NO....NAY....NEVER"...F the DC White Cuck Immigration Reform Organizations!!!
  50. A lot of people on the right tend to think of the modern left as collectivist because it promotes identity politics. However, the modern left, like much of the modern right, is premised on personal autonomy. It doesn’t really care about economic fairness in the way the old-left did, but is focused on removing barriers (real or imagined) that are stopping various individuals from maximising their personal autonomy.

    The reason the liberal-left pushes identity politics is simply a feature of how politics works in a highly urbanised society. In the atomised world of big cities people form social cliques, and campaign for greater individual rights using their cliques as something to organise around. For example, there was no such things as a gay rights movement until there was a critical mass of gays in big cities who could form organised interest groups.

    The liberal-left’s focus on personal autonomy also explains why it doesn’t care that much about economic inequality. People have lots of personal goals, and becoming wealthier is just one of them. Hence, the modern liberal-left pushes for a wide range of causes popular among urban people from legalising drugs to supporting third world refugees to gay marriage.

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  51. anon says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    For what it is worth, Asians usually don't get any advantage from affirmative action programs. We're not counted as "disadvantaged" minority and actually have quotas against us. If we overtake STEM classes, its largely because we've found out how to game the system - specifically exam cut-offs.

    Your humility is appreciated; but Pitchai and Nadella (just examples) did not succeed by “gaming exam cut-offs”, whatever that phrase means. Pitchai helped create Chrome browser that is #1 in market share and ChromeOS that is disrupting Apple, Intel and Microsoft via Chromebooks. Nadella has greatly stabilized Microsoft after the crazy regime of Steve Ballmer.

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  52. anon says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    For what it is worth, Asians usually don't get any advantage from affirmative action programs. We're not counted as "disadvantaged" minority and actually have quotas against us. If we overtake STEM classes, its largely because we've found out how to game the system - specifically exam cut-offs.

    You wouldn’t believe there may be other factors too? Like how Toyota and Honda have been able to lay to waste the U.S. big three?

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    We Asians might lack something in the creativity department, but we're pretty strong at the bloody-minded department. For example, when people say that 99.999% defect-free rate is impossible, we decided to put that theory to the test.
  53. Thirdeye says:
    @KenH
    Call me a cynic, but I think the anti-anti-white rhetoric of Jacobin and other like lefty sources is calculated to stop the hemorrhaging of white moral support at least until we are a politically disenfranchised minority. It's finally dawned on them that the implacable racial hatred of whites that has so defined the Jewish led left, especially under the reign of Hussein O, is alienating whites to the point where they are finally becoming racially conscious and adopting an "us vs. them" attitude that non-whites have traditionally had towards whites. If this trend continues it doesn't bode well for the multiracial Marxism (e.g., races can peacefully coexist under true Marxism) that the Jacobin socialists/leftists are selling.

    Just focusing on economic Marxism while jettisoning anti-white cultural Marxism won't really cut it either. Marxism failed in the multiethnic Soviet Union and multiethnic and multifaith Yugoslavia and each were only held together for so long and ethnic and religious passions held in check by a gun toting and truncheon wielding police and surveillance state.

    Besides, not only has economic determinism (whether liberal or conservative) failed miserably in America and everywhere but Marxists are trying to compete with an indomitable force of nature called ethnonationalism.

    Marxism didn’t fail in the Soviet Union because of ethnonationalism; it failed because of corruption and lack of systemically-supported accountability. When everything is determined by where you stand in the party-state power structure, accountability breaks down. Interestingly, it was the KGB that recognized corruption as a threat to national security and their anti-corruption campaign weakened the Brezhnocracy to the point that they couldn’t suppress reformers starting with Andropov. As it turned out, corruption adapted to the reforms and won anyway towards the end of Gorbachev’s tenure with profound implications for the security of Russia and the other former SSRs. What might be called ethnonationalist conflicts between the SSRs were simply conflicts of interest defined by political and economic geography, not ethnicity. The Ukrainian and other SSRs were successful at wheeling and dealing with the central Soviet government to get their hands deeper into the cookie jar, to the detriment of the ability of the central government to function, but in their interests as political and economic, not ethnic, units. Ethnic Russians were as much a part of that game within the non-Russian SSRs as were other ethnicities. Ethnonationalism has seen a resurgence in the former SSRs mainly as a tool of western-supported political factions.

    Multiethnic Yugoslavia had a lot of outside help in failing. Whether its breakup without outside interference would have been a certainty is in the realm of imponderables. But no objective measure would indicate that they are better off as a series of ethno-statelets. The selling point for the breakup, self-determination, turned out to be a false promise.

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    "Interestingly, it was the KGB that recognized corruption as a threat to national security and their anti-corruption campaign weakened the Brezhnocracy to the point that they couldn’t suppress reformers starting with Andropov."

    Not the whole story but a good part of it right there. Also on the nose about Yugoslavia, though that is a bit more complex.
  54. @anon
    1) Agree

    2) Disagree; All evidence points to the plutocrats who offshored manufacturing jobs and outsourced service jobs are nearly 100% white. Blaming non-whites for destruction of white working class is delusional and ludicrous. There was probably not a single nonwhite in the board rooms when they decided to close the U.S. facilities and offshore/outsource their production to get a few $ extra profit so that they will get a bonus based on higher stock price. If there were any nonwhites, they would have easily anticipated the tragedy their communities would fall into and opposed the move.

    Anon

    Thanks for responding. What you wrote is true….but what you leave out makes it a half-truth.

    The Chinese Fifth Column and Hindu Fifth Column are a very powerfull highly racialized Asian Fifth Column within the borders of the US. The Hindu Fifth Column in the US….India Policy Group owns over 3/4 of the US C0ngress. Everytime there has been serious discussion in the US C0ngress to restrict the number of Chinese Nationals c0mmint to the US to study, The Chinese Fifth Column organizes over the internet to block any legislation to cut back on importing Chinese Nationals studying in the US.

    Everytime there has been discussion in the US Congress to lower the number of Hindu doctors entering the US, the Hindu physicians organize and make issue hyper-racial Hindu political threats.

    Asians are the Academic-Silicon Valley Gate Keepers in the Tech World….This is nothing less than a genocidal extermination of The Native Born White American Scientific…Medical…Engineering Workforce-the present one…and the future one that will never be developed.Yet the White Cuck DC Immigration Reform Organizations yap on for years about how post-1965 immigration harms Asian Americans….N0 mention of Whitey-to quote that well known Clancy Brothers song:”
    NO….NAY….NEVER”…F the DC White Cuck Immigration Reform Organizations!!!

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    The Chinese Fifth Column organizes over the internet to block any legislation to cut back on importing Chinese Nationals studying in the US.
     
    Such amazing prowess we have. Inside every Chinese restaurant, behind every mahjong table, is a spy ring with deep connections to our academic elite. Within ourselves, we have no splits among politics, none of us are Taiwanese, or mainlander, and we love the Japanese and the Vietnamese, which is why we've all invaded each other.

    Never change, War for Blair Mountain.

    I love you and your wild paranoid fantasies.
  55. @Thirdeye
    Marxism didn't fail in the Soviet Union because of ethnonationalism; it failed because of corruption and lack of systemically-supported accountability. When everything is determined by where you stand in the party-state power structure, accountability breaks down. Interestingly, it was the KGB that recognized corruption as a threat to national security and their anti-corruption campaign weakened the Brezhnocracy to the point that they couldn't suppress reformers starting with Andropov. As it turned out, corruption adapted to the reforms and won anyway towards the end of Gorbachev's tenure with profound implications for the security of Russia and the other former SSRs. What might be called ethnonationalist conflicts between the SSRs were simply conflicts of interest defined by political and economic geography, not ethnicity. The Ukrainian and other SSRs were successful at wheeling and dealing with the central Soviet government to get their hands deeper into the cookie jar, to the detriment of the ability of the central government to function, but in their interests as political and economic, not ethnic, units. Ethnic Russians were as much a part of that game within the non-Russian SSRs as were other ethnicities. Ethnonationalism has seen a resurgence in the former SSRs mainly as a tool of western-supported political factions.

    Multiethnic Yugoslavia had a lot of outside help in failing. Whether its breakup without outside interference would have been a certainty is in the realm of imponderables. But no objective measure would indicate that they are better off as a series of ethno-statelets. The selling point for the breakup, self-determination, turned out to be a false promise.

    “Interestingly, it was the KGB that recognized corruption as a threat to national security and their anti-corruption campaign weakened the Brezhnocracy to the point that they couldn’t suppress reformers starting with Andropov.”

    Not the whole story but a good part of it right there. Also on the nose about Yugoslavia, though that is a bit more complex.

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  56. Thirdeye says:

    We’re seeing the markers of “left” and “right” that have held sway over the past 50 years or so become meaningless, and that’s a good thing. Nationalism was “right” in the developed world but “left” in the emerging post-colonial world. Ho Chi Minh was more of a nationalist than a Communist. In the corporate globalist world, where virtually everyone other than those serving finance capital is treated as a colonial subject, nationalism is moving from “right” to “left.” The neocons are old-style “right” nationalists. The dissident right touting economic nationalism is laying the foundations of “left” nationalism; self-determination of nation-states is the foundation of elevating the commonweal, the highest principle of socialists and other true leftists. Identity politics has found a powerful niche as a lapdog of corporate globalism. Its various forms are all about procuring short-term advantages based on group membership. It measures success by its ability to attain privilege for some members of certain groups, while conditions worsen for most members of those groups. That is a very “right” measure of success. But the identity politics power structures rely on that deterioration, with its real and imaginary components, to lend moral authority to their quest for more identity-based power. Divide and rule at its finest, with multiple permutations.

    Despite AmRen’s prognosis of an anti-identitarian nationalist left providing a recruiting ground for the white-identitarian fringe of the dissident right, the prospect of open conversation between commonweal-oriented, anti-identitarian leftists and dissident nationalist “rightists,” freed from the conventions of “left”-liberal identity politics, means that the influence of the white-identitarians would be greatly diminished. The white-identitarian right already has its recruiting ground within the anti-globalist dissident right. Common ground between anti-identitarian, commonweal-oriented leftists and anti-globalist, economic nationalist rightists would leave the white-identitarian right in the dust.

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    In the corporate globalist world, where virtually everyone other than those serving finance capital is treated as a colonial subject, nationalism is moving from “right” to “left.”
     
    That's insightful. The corporate, globalist world hates any source of solidarity. Anything you would be willing to sacrifice for is something in their way. "Sorry, I won't constantly travel to Swaziland for this job, I have a community obligations here." Not cool with Lloyd Blankfein. Nationalism is one source of solidarity (though a kind of crappy ersatz one), so they hate it.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    Third eye

    White "anti-globalist" leftists want to flood the US with an unbounded number of nonwhite scab workers. This is both a demographic-and economic death sentence for Native Born White American Males.

    There will be no merging solidarity between the The Native Born White American Working Class and the wierdos and freaks who hang out at CounterPunch.

    Jeffrey Sinclair is a Globalist Scum as is the multimillionaire Noam Chomsky with a mansion on Wellsfleet Cape Code.
  57. It’s funny: I lean left on many issues but would likely have voted for Trump because Hillary simply alienated me as a white, male voter. Her rhetoric is too idiotic, divisive, and plutocratic; she is the embodiment of the top and bottom against the middle. I also acknowledge human biodiversity, namely a difference among races, but I do not think one is inherently superior to the other. Rather, I think the first step to eliminating societal inequities is to first acknowledge the differences and then develop systems that can be tailored to different groups of people. If some are naturally aggressive, that aggression can lead to criminality under some conditions but can lead to entrepreneurship under other conditions.

    The tendency of many on the right at Unz to stereotype leads them to making idiotic generalizations. They take statistical averages to be categorical truths. When one group has a lower IQ than another, they believe this means that all members of that group are dumber than all of the other. Rather, we should acknowledge that societal disparities may be borne out from the statistical inequities, but still give everyone a fair shot and the benefit of the doubt.

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    No one believes that just because the average IQ of race A is 85 all members of race A have low IQs Or that because the average IQ of race B is 103 all members of race B are of average IQ
  58. KenH says:

    Marxism didn’t fail in the Soviet Union because of ethnonationalism;

    Perhaps it wasn’t the single greatest cause but there were definite ethnic fault lines in the old Soviet Union that was tearing at its fabric for decades. The Baltic states were not happy living under the yoke of Soviet Russian domination and yearned for independence. Then there was the Armenian – Azerbaijani conflict over the territory of Nagorno – Karabakh. These are just some of the many examples.

    The bottom line and the point I think you’re purposely missing is that disparate ethnic groups had to be held together by force and fear of the central state and when that state collapsed the Soviet Union broke up along racial and ethnic lines. People are more loyal to their ethnic and racial kith and kin than dialectical materialism and other Marxist principles.

    Regarding Yugoslavia, are you saying that it would be better off if Croats, Serbs and Slavic Muslims forcibly lived together under a Tito like police state with a socialist economy? The rancor and hatred between these groups precludes this from happening. It wouldn’t be fair or wise to force Christian Serbs to live under the heel of KLA Muslim fanatics.

    They were each given their respective etho-statelets via the Dayton Accords. I’m not sure what standards you’re applying to assert they are actually worse off under this arrangement but it did quell the blood letting. How would you go about reconstituting Yugoslavia as a multiethnic socialist utopia without a police state to hold things together and prevent a resumption of the throat cutting among these three groups?

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  59. Bill says:
    @iffen
    Is it reasonable to think that around one in four of these anti-anti-white socialists could become white advocates?

    No.

    I consider myself to be an anti-anti-white pragmatic progressive who is race aware and there is zero chance of me throwing in with Amren types. Anyone with socialist type ideas or views will not be interested in giving up a class and economic analysis in favor of a made up white class ideology. What you will get, and got, is/was massive racial resentment on the part of the white working class that translated into political support for Trump.

    iffen, 67 long years and still not Mensa qualified.

    Anyone with socialist type ideas or views will not be interested in giving up a class and economic analysis in favor of a made up white class ideology.

    I’ve heard that it’s possible to be both a racial nationalist and a socialist at the same time. There may even have been someone famous like that once. Also, LOL at the idea that nationalism is made up, but socialism isn’t.

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    Also, LOL at the idea that nationalism is made up, but socialism isn’t.

    I see your point.

    The rough outlines of socialism have been around for a while. Adaptation for current time and place are all that are needed. It is a political grouping.

    White identity is a failed project in the making. Races have been around forever. Trying to make an ill-defined race into a political grouping in the US has no chance of success. People want to define themselves politically for political purposes. You will not be able to get a sufficient number of people to go back to the old naturally occurring fault lines of race, religion or ethnic group.

    it’s possible to be both a racial nationalist and a socialist at the same time.

    I suppose it would work if the nation state was racially homogeneous, but we don't have that in the US.

    There may even have been someone famous like that once.

    Yes, and he made very quick work of the real socialist faction in the NSDAP.
  60. Bill says:
    @Thirdeye
    We're seeing the markers of "left" and "right" that have held sway over the past 50 years or so become meaningless, and that's a good thing. Nationalism was "right" in the developed world but "left" in the emerging post-colonial world. Ho Chi Minh was more of a nationalist than a Communist. In the corporate globalist world, where virtually everyone other than those serving finance capital is treated as a colonial subject, nationalism is moving from "right" to "left." The neocons are old-style "right" nationalists. The dissident right touting economic nationalism is laying the foundations of "left" nationalism; self-determination of nation-states is the foundation of elevating the commonweal, the highest principle of socialists and other true leftists. Identity politics has found a powerful niche as a lapdog of corporate globalism. Its various forms are all about procuring short-term advantages based on group membership. It measures success by its ability to attain privilege for some members of certain groups, while conditions worsen for most members of those groups. That is a very "right" measure of success. But the identity politics power structures rely on that deterioration, with its real and imaginary components, to lend moral authority to their quest for more identity-based power. Divide and rule at its finest, with multiple permutations.

    Despite AmRen's prognosis of an anti-identitarian nationalist left providing a recruiting ground for the white-identitarian fringe of the dissident right, the prospect of open conversation between commonweal-oriented, anti-identitarian leftists and dissident nationalist "rightists," freed from the conventions of "left"-liberal identity politics, means that the influence of the white-identitarians would be greatly diminished. The white-identitarian right already has its recruiting ground within the anti-globalist dissident right. Common ground between anti-identitarian, commonweal-oriented leftists and anti-globalist, economic nationalist rightists would leave the white-identitarian right in the dust.

    In the corporate globalist world, where virtually everyone other than those serving finance capital is treated as a colonial subject, nationalism is moving from “right” to “left.”

    That’s insightful. The corporate, globalist world hates any source of solidarity. Anything you would be willing to sacrifice for is something in their way. “Sorry, I won’t constantly travel to Swaziland for this job, I have a community obligations here.” Not cool with Lloyd Blankfein. Nationalism is one source of solidarity (though a kind of crappy ersatz one), so they hate it.

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  61. @Thirdeye
    We're seeing the markers of "left" and "right" that have held sway over the past 50 years or so become meaningless, and that's a good thing. Nationalism was "right" in the developed world but "left" in the emerging post-colonial world. Ho Chi Minh was more of a nationalist than a Communist. In the corporate globalist world, where virtually everyone other than those serving finance capital is treated as a colonial subject, nationalism is moving from "right" to "left." The neocons are old-style "right" nationalists. The dissident right touting economic nationalism is laying the foundations of "left" nationalism; self-determination of nation-states is the foundation of elevating the commonweal, the highest principle of socialists and other true leftists. Identity politics has found a powerful niche as a lapdog of corporate globalism. Its various forms are all about procuring short-term advantages based on group membership. It measures success by its ability to attain privilege for some members of certain groups, while conditions worsen for most members of those groups. That is a very "right" measure of success. But the identity politics power structures rely on that deterioration, with its real and imaginary components, to lend moral authority to their quest for more identity-based power. Divide and rule at its finest, with multiple permutations.

    Despite AmRen's prognosis of an anti-identitarian nationalist left providing a recruiting ground for the white-identitarian fringe of the dissident right, the prospect of open conversation between commonweal-oriented, anti-identitarian leftists and dissident nationalist "rightists," freed from the conventions of "left"-liberal identity politics, means that the influence of the white-identitarians would be greatly diminished. The white-identitarian right already has its recruiting ground within the anti-globalist dissident right. Common ground between anti-identitarian, commonweal-oriented leftists and anti-globalist, economic nationalist rightists would leave the white-identitarian right in the dust.

    Third eye

    White “anti-globalist” leftists want to flood the US with an unbounded number of nonwhite scab workers. This is both a demographic-and economic death sentence for Native Born White American Males.

    There will be no merging solidarity between the The Native Born White American Working Class and the wierdos and freaks who hang out at CounterPunch.

    Jeffrey Sinclair is a Globalist Scum as is the multimillionaire Noam Chomsky with a mansion on Wellsfleet Cape Code.

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    White “anti-globalist” leftists want to flood the US with an unbounded number of nonwhite scab workers. This is both a demographic-and economic death sentence for Native Born White American Males.
     
    That would be the globalist, identitarian liberal "left" that dominates the Democratic Party. They're the ones with the media and other corporate resources behind them, looking to essentially shout down anyone who threatens their narratives.

    Someone adhering to to the pre-Gramscian, pre-Frankfurt School principles of the left, which place the highest value on the commonweal, can find a lot more robust and fertile discussion with certain elements of the dissident right than with the identitarian "left," whose main tactics are throwing tantrums and trotting out their highly embroidered versions of history. The most serious issues between anti-identitarian left and dissident right are on approaches to economic issues. Neither one is 100% correct. The white-identitarians are like annoying flies buzzing around, distracting from the discussion.
  62. @Hepp

    The tension between these two camps can be seen, albeit to a lesser extent, between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Mrs. Clinton infamously said half of a all Trump supporters are deplorable, while Mr. Sanders has refused to condemn them. In private, Mrs. Clinton has yearned for open borders, while Mr. Sanders publicly spoke out against them. On the campaign trail, Mrs. Clinton engaged in an unprecedented amount of groveling ethnomasochism, while Mr. Sanders largely mostly about economic issues.
     
    As soon as he was chastised by Black Lives Matter, Sanders went ahead and appointed an activist that is just as crazy and anti-white as anybody embraced by Hillary

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/23/cnns_symone_sanders_we_dont_need_white_people_leading_the_democratic_party_right_now.html

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/dem-strategist-mocks-trump-supporter-beat-up-by-mob-oh-my-goodness-poor-white-people/

    The man is so disconnected from reality on racial issues, that during a debate in the primaries he promised that by the end of his first administration the black-white incineration gap would be ended.

    http://www.vox.com/2016/2/8/10937468/bernie-sanders-mass-incarceration

    There was a difference in style between Hillary and Bernie, for sure. He's older and less connected to mainstream discourse, so he's not as crude in his anti-white bigotry. But I tend to think that the main problem with liberals isn't that they have bad intentions, but that they're living in a fantasy world when it comes to race, in that they believe that crime and education gaps are due to discrimination and can be fixed by white people behaving more virtuously. On that score, it's hard to find an issue where Bernie wasn't just as bad as Hillary.

    The man is so disconnected from reality on racial issues…

    I-VT.

    …by the end of his first administration the black-white incineration gap would be ended.

    Are blacks incinerated at a significantly different rate than are whites? I thought those church-burning stories were debunked. Or at least buried, once the other side realized that the whites with the biggest problem with black churches were gay activists.

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    I wanted to just press the 'LOL' button, but noting the witless 'incinerated' for 'incarcerated' deserves a congratulatory comment. Wanted to mention it, too, until I saw you already had.

    Still, LOL, ROFL, ROFLMAO.

    ... and merry Christmas to you, Reg.
  63. Alden says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    For what it is worth, Asians usually don't get any advantage from affirmative action programs. We're not counted as "disadvantaged" minority and actually have quotas against us. If we overtake STEM classes, its largely because we've found out how to game the system - specifically exam cut-offs.

    I know how Asians get accepted to college. But why does a major American med school accept mostly Chinese citizens instead of Anerican Chinese American citizens

    As far as hospital and tech industry employment goes, employers just don’t want Whites. Employing Asians and even technically White Indians satisfied affirmative action so the tech companies don’t have to employ blacks and Hispanics

    Every race but Whites can network. A Phillipinos nurse gets a job. Because she is not White she gets into management And pretty soon every nurse in the hospital is a Phillipino with connections to the Philkipino managing nurse

    As for the California universities like UCLA, USC, Cal tech, cal Berkeley it’s just Asians Asians Asians

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    Our scores are really good and we have an extremely high motivation to get into medical school - it is considered one of the only three valid professions when I was growing up, I know. And honestly, we really do work very hard at academics as from in East Asia, it determines your status in life. Status is everything for us. Killing yourself if you fail at academics can be seen as honorable as killing yourself for example, losing a battle.

    As far as networking, my white wife agrees with you. "Every race looks out for their own except whites." This isn't 100% true, mind you, I feel, but I can see what she says.

    I helped a Vietnamese friend and all, but I don't go out of my way to assist others of my race just because. Nonetheless, that willingness to nudge and try a little bit further to help someone because I feel kinship to them probably does amount to something in the long run.

    But this also comes with strong expectations of each other. I've often had Chinese coworkers expect me to give up weekends, etc "because you know that you should. We're not like the others, you know. We're Chinese and work hard." We stereotype each other, make demands that seem unreasonable, and would be pretty cruel if one of us rejected said expectations.

    I've had the fortune or otherwise of being around various other races, and I've not seen the same dynamic at all. American Blacks seem to believe that they are owed something, Hispanics tend to assume clannishness out of default expectations, not because of some unspoken creed and African Blacks seem to want to avoid being associated with American Blacks.

    , @War for Blair Mountain
    Alfden


    Asian "Americans" are a highly racialized Democratic Voting Bloc that is knowingly and enthusiastically voting the Historic Native Born White American Majority into a violently persecuted racial minority within the borders of America on Nov 8 2020...Nov 8 2024......


    Post-WW2 a National Origins Immigration Policy should have been implemented that excluded all Asian and Muslim Legal Immigrants.

    There is 0 benefit to The Historic Native Born White American Working Class having Chinese and Hindu Nationals c0lonize California.

    Perhaps you have heard of the 1882 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act?...A wonderfull pro-White Policy!!!....MAGA!!!
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    Alden,

    This is simple. The Chinese nationals are paying cash money, and lots of it, particularly in high-quality state universities in contrast to the far lower in-state tuition paid by American students. As always, follow the money. These "non-profit" institutions are cash cows for the ever growing administrative personnel (perish the thought that the instructors, increasingly low-paid freelancers should be compensated fairly). These administrators are smelling the money.
  64. @anon
    You wouldn't believe there may be other factors too? Like how Toyota and Honda have been able to lay to waste the U.S. big three?

    We Asians might lack something in the creativity department, but we’re pretty strong at the bloody-minded department. For example, when people say that 99.999% defect-free rate is impossible, we decided to put that theory to the test.

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  65. @Alden
    I know how Asians get accepted to college. But why does a major American med school accept mostly Chinese citizens instead of Anerican Chinese American citizens

    As far as hospital and tech industry employment goes, employers just don't want Whites. Employing Asians and even technically White Indians satisfied affirmative action so the tech companies don't have to employ blacks and Hispanics

    Every race but Whites can network. A Phillipinos nurse gets a job. Because she is not White she gets into management And pretty soon every nurse in the hospital is a Phillipino with connections to the Philkipino managing nurse

    As for the California universities like UCLA, USC, Cal tech, cal Berkeley it's just Asians Asians Asians

    Our scores are really good and we have an extremely high motivation to get into medical school – it is considered one of the only three valid professions when I was growing up, I know. And honestly, we really do work very hard at academics as from in East Asia, it determines your status in life. Status is everything for us. Killing yourself if you fail at academics can be seen as honorable as killing yourself for example, losing a battle.

    As far as networking, my white wife agrees with you. “Every race looks out for their own except whites.” This isn’t 100% true, mind you, I feel, but I can see what she says.

    I helped a Vietnamese friend and all, but I don’t go out of my way to assist others of my race just because. Nonetheless, that willingness to nudge and try a little bit further to help someone because I feel kinship to them probably does amount to something in the long run.

    But this also comes with strong expectations of each other. I’ve often had Chinese coworkers expect me to give up weekends, etc “because you know that you should. We’re not like the others, you know. We’re Chinese and work hard.” We stereotype each other, make demands that seem unreasonable, and would be pretty cruel if one of us rejected said expectations.

    I’ve had the fortune or otherwise of being around various other races, and I’ve not seen the same dynamic at all. American Blacks seem to believe that they are owed something, Hispanics tend to assume clannishness out of default expectations, not because of some unspoken creed and African Blacks seem to want to avoid being associated with American Blacks.

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    Well, physician is no longer what it was. In fact, a nurse who becomes a nurse anesthetist or nurse practitioner has better life long earnings than most physicians simply because starting a career at 23 instead of 33 just means longer time to earn Plus the cost of 8 instead of 4 years of education and relocating to the most expensive cities for internship and residency.
    Nursing instead of med school is the choice a White/Asian nephew made.

    The worst competition California Whites face from Asians is housing. The wealthy arrive with several million to buy a house for cash. The middle class crowds 20 people into a 1,300 sw ft house with an illegal chicken slaughter house in the garage. I've seen plenty of those illegal chicken slaughter houses all over the Subset and Richmond districts of San Francisco.

    But Whites just don't live like that. I remember looking at a house in San Francisco. It was a glorious 1900s house on Nob Hill. The living room had 6 sets of triple bunks in it. That's 18 people. Each bedroom had a double bed and 2 sets of bunk beds. The dining room and library had bunk beds as well. There were beds for 42 people in the house and beds for 16 more in the basement. I think that's why the Chinese like the old houses in Sanfrancisco so much. Old houses have 12 and 14 ft ceilings that can accommodate triple bunk beds.
    That was in 1977 or 78 just a few years after Nixon's opening to China.

    American Chinese don't live like that. But the endless immigrants pouring in think it's normal. And even if 30 people living in one house are indentured servants in a Chinese sweatshop or restaurants they can contribute $200 a month per person for $6,000 a month rent.

    Of course such crowding is completely against the law. But building codes have never been enforced against Chinese or other Asians in San Francisco.

    San Francisco neighborhoods look nice on the outside, but go into any Chinese immigrant house and that's what you will find unbelievable crowding.
  66. @Alden
    I know how Asians get accepted to college. But why does a major American med school accept mostly Chinese citizens instead of Anerican Chinese American citizens

    As far as hospital and tech industry employment goes, employers just don't want Whites. Employing Asians and even technically White Indians satisfied affirmative action so the tech companies don't have to employ blacks and Hispanics

    Every race but Whites can network. A Phillipinos nurse gets a job. Because she is not White she gets into management And pretty soon every nurse in the hospital is a Phillipino with connections to the Philkipino managing nurse

    As for the California universities like UCLA, USC, Cal tech, cal Berkeley it's just Asians Asians Asians

    Alfden

    Asian “Americans” are a highly racialized Democratic Voting Bloc that is knowingly and enthusiastically voting the Historic Native Born White American Majority into a violently persecuted racial minority within the borders of America on Nov 8 2020…Nov 8 2024……

    Post-WW2 a National Origins Immigration Policy should have been implemented that excluded all Asian and Muslim Legal Immigrants.

    There is 0 benefit to The Historic Native Born White American Working Class having Chinese and Hindu Nationals c0lonize California.

    Perhaps you have heard of the 1882 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act?…A wonderfull pro-White Policy!!!….MAGA!!!

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    I'm proud to say I'm related To Dennis Kearney.
  67. JackOH says:
    @MarkinLA
    I sometimes think we’d have a better politics if our onetime engineers, IT guys, middle managers, et. al., who’ve been kicked to the curb would quit clinging to the hope of regaining their former respectability, and admit, “I’ve been friggin’ used”.

    Having been one and knowing how profoundly stupid and gullible these people are when it comes to labor politics, I would have no hope of that. You can't imagine how many times I was told when I commented on H-1B visas, guest worker and immigrants that "I can compete with anybody" or "We do better on our own" when talking about some kind of professional organization like a guild or union.

    “You can’t imagine . . .”. I can imagine. Professional pride turned to vanity? Willful blindness? Political naivete? Something keeps that cohort of well-educated but downscale Americans from seeing reality.

    Affirmative action, gamed to favor White women, plus the H1B-immigration hustle are making ambitious, talented White American guys . . . redundant. I’ll guess the thought of a corporate-directed American government working actively against you for its own reasons is pretty horrific to think about. Thanks.

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  68. @War for Blair Mountain
    Anon

    Thanks for responding. What you wrote is true....but what you leave out makes it a half-truth.

    The Chinese Fifth Column and Hindu Fifth Column are a very powerfull highly racialized Asian Fifth Column within the borders of the US. The Hindu Fifth Column in the US....India Policy Group owns over 3/4 of the US C0ngress. Everytime there has been serious discussion in the US C0ngress to restrict the number of Chinese Nationals c0mmint to the US to study, The Chinese Fifth Column organizes over the internet to block any legislation to cut back on importing Chinese Nationals studying in the US.


    Everytime there has been discussion in the US Congress to lower the number of Hindu doctors entering the US, the Hindu physicians organize and make issue hyper-racial Hindu political threats.


    Asians are the Academic-Silicon Valley Gate Keepers in the Tech World....This is nothing less than a genocidal extermination of The Native Born White American Scientific...Medical...Engineering Workforce-the present one...and the future one that will never be developed.Yet the White Cuck DC Immigration Reform Organizations yap on for years about how post-1965 immigration harms Asian Americans....N0 mention of Whitey-to quote that well known Clancy Brothers song:''
    NO....NAY....NEVER"...F the DC White Cuck Immigration Reform Organizations!!!

    The Chinese Fifth Column organizes over the internet to block any legislation to cut back on importing Chinese Nationals studying in the US.

    Such amazing prowess we have. Inside every Chinese restaurant, behind every mahjong table, is a spy ring with deep connections to our academic elite. Within ourselves, we have no splits among politics, none of us are Taiwanese, or mainlander, and we love the Japanese and the Vietnamese, which is why we’ve all invaded each other.

    Never change, War for Blair Mountain.

    I love you and your wild paranoid fantasies.

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    Mr. Chieh

    I never mentioned anything about Chinese Spying. But, since you mentioned it... behold Chinese Spy, USS Navy Commander Edward C Linn now sitting in a Federal Prison for spying for China. Commander Linn was the poster boy for Diversity in the US Military.

    My point was about Asian "American" poloitical power which is wielded to economically and racially disposses The Historic Native Born White American Majority.
  69. Yeah says:

    The current establishment “left” is making enemies where there isn’t any, and succeeding.

    The anti-anti – are just those who: think that’s dumb, and remember what they are actually fighting for. The anti-anti’s understand the simple premise that left-side identity politics have that nasty side effect: right-side identity politics – especially when you’ve neutered the other means of effective political representation by the economically vulnerable in the majority (the prol’s – of the right). Where else are they gonna go?

    And: if they go there – how do you keep that country together? Like, hasn’t Europe shown us how that goes, several times?

    Anti anti’s get this. The other left doesn’t.

    Some attribute the existence of the establishment left to the Frankfurt school. Meh.
    Look : Anderson Cooper and Wolf Blitzer and … they all have class interests – and my money says they know their money, and they know their class interests, and 2 of 3 haven’t ever heard of the FS.
    It’s about coalitions, and “whose ox shall we gore?”

    Coalition forming tends to devolve to the least common denominator. The elite white establishment has an ox to gore, they feel sure an ox needs to be gored and lack leadership and imagination to figure out how to share the dilemma, and, well: they’ll be damned if it’s their ox that gets gored. You do the calculus from there.

    Sadly: despite the anti-anti ‘s – they may be right.
    If Steve Bannon is right and Trump can win 40% of minority votes by 2020 – then: there’s a bright day ahead – it means that someone can reach through the false-promises of the elite white establishment to minorities to offer them a better deal which: puts them on the same team with working class whites.

    That: is a country with a future.
    But: the kind of talk we see all over the comments on Unz doesn’t make me hopeful. If I were an elite white establishment, I’d read these comments and think “Bannon, you’re smokin’ crack. Ain’t no way this side of hell those folks are gonna make common cause. Kick the tires, and light the fires, dial-up the identity politics and give me a bigger popular vote victory next time. We all know how this ends.”

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    Every cause needs a positive and a negative the government and elites of the United States use the Whites as an enemy to rally the minorities.
  70. @Alden
    I know how Asians get accepted to college. But why does a major American med school accept mostly Chinese citizens instead of Anerican Chinese American citizens

    As far as hospital and tech industry employment goes, employers just don't want Whites. Employing Asians and even technically White Indians satisfied affirmative action so the tech companies don't have to employ blacks and Hispanics

    Every race but Whites can network. A Phillipinos nurse gets a job. Because she is not White she gets into management And pretty soon every nurse in the hospital is a Phillipino with connections to the Philkipino managing nurse

    As for the California universities like UCLA, USC, Cal tech, cal Berkeley it's just Asians Asians Asians

    Alden,

    This is simple. The Chinese nationals are paying cash money, and lots of it, particularly in high-quality state universities in contrast to the far lower in-state tuition paid by American students. As always, follow the money. These “non-profit” institutions are cash cows for the ever growing administrative personnel (perish the thought that the instructors, increasingly low-paid freelancers should be compensated fairly). These administrators are smelling the money.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    You are absolutely right but it is still wrong to discriminate against Whites.
    Maybe if the people's Republicans went home it wouldn't be so bad but they stay and now dominate STEM jobs especially in medicine
    The endless growth of the women and minority counselors and analysts and consultants costs a fortune. I remember when a huge grad student dorm, Mira Hershey Hall was converted from administrative offices.
    But the non state universities and colleges have the same tuition for everyone and they still massively discriminate against Whites. It's been the law for 49 years and Whites just have to take it.
    There is an entire research department at UCLA employing about 2,000 people and everyone is a Chinese national.
  71. Alden says:
    @LegioXIIIGemina
    It's funny: I lean left on many issues but would likely have voted for Trump because Hillary simply alienated me as a white, male voter. Her rhetoric is too idiotic, divisive, and plutocratic; she is the embodiment of the top and bottom against the middle. I also acknowledge human biodiversity, namely a difference among races, but I do not think one is inherently superior to the other. Rather, I think the first step to eliminating societal inequities is to first acknowledge the differences and then develop systems that can be tailored to different groups of people. If some are naturally aggressive, that aggression can lead to criminality under some conditions but can lead to entrepreneurship under other conditions.

    The tendency of many on the right at Unz to stereotype leads them to making idiotic generalizations. They take statistical averages to be categorical truths. When one group has a lower IQ than another, they believe this means that all members of that group are dumber than all of the other. Rather, we should acknowledge that societal disparities may be borne out from the statistical inequities, but still give everyone a fair shot and the benefit of the doubt.

    No one believes that just because the average IQ of race A is 85 all members of race A have low IQs Or that because the average IQ of race B is 103 all members of race B are of average IQ

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  72. Yeah says:

    or: the TL;DR of above:

    The anti anti’s , think the establishment white left … caused the alt right.

    And they think that was a miserably stupid thing to do, and something that should be reversed ASAP.

    The establishment white left – either doesn’t get it, or doesn’t care.

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  73. dfordoom says: • Website
    @WorkingClass
    The Alt-Left are class realists. If "left" is an ideology, class realists are the only left there is. Clinton Democrats hate the working class and love the ruling class while pandering to their coalition of the fringes. For Class realists the Centrist (read Corporatist) D's and R's are largely one and the same. Class realists will not be drawn into racial politics because they seek solidarity among the working classes. The Republicans have nominated and the country has elected a populist in Donald Trump. Populism exists in left and right flavors. I am a class realist myself and I much prefer Trump's right flavored populism to the corporatism of the Bushes and Clintons.

    Working class Mexicans, Blaxx, Whites, Feminists and Queers have much more in common with the each other than with the .01%. Given a choice most of us would choose peace over war and prosperity over welfare.

    Working class Mexicans, Blaxx, Whites, Feminists and Queers have much more in common with the each other than with the .01%.

    Working class Mexicans, Blacks, Whites – yes I agree with you there. Although I have no idea what blaxx are!

    We part company when it comes to the Feminists and the Queers – feminism and LGBT activism are tools used by the ruling class as part of their divide and rule strategy. Feminism is pure unadulterated evil and it’s also pure misogyny. And moral degeneracy has never been good for working class people. Like it or not the traditional family is the core of working class strength. That’s why the .01% wants to destroy it.

    If you reject racial identity politics then you have to reject the identity politics of feminism and LGBT activism.

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  74. dfordoom says: • Website
    @biz
    One obscure website that hardly anyone has ever heard of aside, I see no evidence that Bernie Sanders or his supporters are any less in the 'politically correct' camp than Clinton or her supporters.

    During the course of the campaign Sanders flip-flopped on open borders, endorsed Black Lives Matter More, and allowed two obese black lesbians to forcibly take over one of his rallies. Then Sanders gave Cornell West of all people one of his seats on the platform committee. The contention that he was not knee-deep in identity politics is frankly laughable.


    To partially answer the question at the end, I would be considered a liberal on a few issues, but I detest both identity politics and Marxism equally. Actually, both of those ideologies are strikingly similar in that they erroneously and simplistically view citizens' primary socio/economic/political role as being part of categories (races, genders, or classes) rather than as individuals that in our society have at least some ability to control their destiny in life.

    During the course of the campaign Sanders flip-flopped on open borders, endorsed Black Lives Matter More, and allowed two obese black lesbians to forcibly take over one of his rallies. Then Sanders gave Cornell West of all people one of his seats on the platform committee. The contention that he was not knee-deep in identity politics is frankly laughable.

    I’m inclined to think he was just gutless. That’s why he isn’t POTUS and Trump is.

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  75. Alden says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian
    Alden,

    This is simple. The Chinese nationals are paying cash money, and lots of it, particularly in high-quality state universities in contrast to the far lower in-state tuition paid by American students. As always, follow the money. These "non-profit" institutions are cash cows for the ever growing administrative personnel (perish the thought that the instructors, increasingly low-paid freelancers should be compensated fairly). These administrators are smelling the money.

    You are absolutely right but it is still wrong to discriminate against Whites.
    Maybe if the people’s Republicans went home it wouldn’t be so bad but they stay and now dominate STEM jobs especially in medicine
    The endless growth of the women and minority counselors and analysts and consultants costs a fortune. I remember when a huge grad student dorm, Mira Hershey Hall was converted from administrative offices.
    But the non state universities and colleges have the same tuition for everyone and they still massively discriminate against Whites. It’s been the law for 49 years and Whites just have to take it.
    There is an entire research department at UCLA employing about 2,000 people and everyone is a Chinese national.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    It isn't about policy, though, its about the fact that Chinese nationals have cash and pay for tuition in full rather than via loans. In a free market, getting money now is always better than getting money later. If you need policy to favor the native population - which is completely sensible - then that's probably what needs to be looked into.

    Asians already have a quota in a lot of places that we struggle against , though. Affirmative action usually works against us.
    , @anon
    I think it is not discriminating against Whites as much as discriminating in favor of green. Almost everything in America is explained by discrimination in favor of green above all else.
  76. Alden says:
    @Yeah
    The current establishment "left" is making enemies where there isn't any, and succeeding.

    The anti-anti - are just those who: think that's dumb, and remember what they are actually fighting for. The anti-anti's understand the simple premise that left-side identity politics have that nasty side effect: right-side identity politics - especially when you've neutered the other means of effective political representation by the economically vulnerable in the majority (the prol's - of the right). Where else are they gonna go?

    And: if they go there - how do you keep that country together? Like, hasn't Europe shown us how that goes, several times?

    Anti anti's get this. The other left doesn't.

    Some attribute the existence of the establishment left to the Frankfurt school. Meh.
    Look : Anderson Cooper and Wolf Blitzer and ... they all have class interests - and my money says they know their money, and they know their class interests, and 2 of 3 haven't ever heard of the FS.
    It's about coalitions, and "whose ox shall we gore?"

    Coalition forming tends to devolve to the least common denominator. The elite white establishment has an ox to gore, they feel sure an ox needs to be gored and lack leadership and imagination to figure out how to share the dilemma, and, well: they'll be damned if it's their ox that gets gored. You do the calculus from there.

    Sadly: despite the anti-anti 's - they may be right.
    If Steve Bannon is right and Trump can win 40% of minority votes by 2020 - then: there's a bright day ahead - it means that someone can reach through the false-promises of the elite white establishment to minorities to offer them a better deal which: puts them on the same team with working class whites.

    That: is a country with a future.
    But: the kind of talk we see all over the comments on Unz doesn't make me hopeful. If I were an elite white establishment, I'd read these comments and think "Bannon, you're smokin' crack. Ain't no way this side of hell those folks are gonna make common cause. Kick the tires, and light the fires, dial-up the identity politics and give me a bigger popular vote victory next time. We all know how this ends."

    Every cause needs a positive and a negative the government and elites of the United States use the Whites as an enemy to rally the minorities.

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  77. Alden says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Alfden


    Asian "Americans" are a highly racialized Democratic Voting Bloc that is knowingly and enthusiastically voting the Historic Native Born White American Majority into a violently persecuted racial minority within the borders of America on Nov 8 2020...Nov 8 2024......


    Post-WW2 a National Origins Immigration Policy should have been implemented that excluded all Asian and Muslim Legal Immigrants.

    There is 0 benefit to The Historic Native Born White American Working Class having Chinese and Hindu Nationals c0lonize California.

    Perhaps you have heard of the 1882 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act?...A wonderfull pro-White Policy!!!....MAGA!!!

    I’m proud to say I’m related To Dennis Kearney.

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  78. Thirdeye says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    Third eye

    White "anti-globalist" leftists want to flood the US with an unbounded number of nonwhite scab workers. This is both a demographic-and economic death sentence for Native Born White American Males.

    There will be no merging solidarity between the The Native Born White American Working Class and the wierdos and freaks who hang out at CounterPunch.

    Jeffrey Sinclair is a Globalist Scum as is the multimillionaire Noam Chomsky with a mansion on Wellsfleet Cape Code.

    White “anti-globalist” leftists want to flood the US with an unbounded number of nonwhite scab workers. This is both a demographic-and economic death sentence for Native Born White American Males.

    That would be the globalist, identitarian liberal “left” that dominates the Democratic Party. They’re the ones with the media and other corporate resources behind them, looking to essentially shout down anyone who threatens their narratives.

    Someone adhering to to the pre-Gramscian, pre-Frankfurt School principles of the left, which place the highest value on the commonweal, can find a lot more robust and fertile discussion with certain elements of the dissident right than with the identitarian “left,” whose main tactics are throwing tantrums and trotting out their highly embroidered versions of history. The most serious issues between anti-identitarian left and dissident right are on approaches to economic issues. Neither one is 100% correct. The white-identitarians are like annoying flies buzzing around, distracting from the discussion.

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  79. @Daniel Chieh

    The Chinese Fifth Column organizes over the internet to block any legislation to cut back on importing Chinese Nationals studying in the US.
     
    Such amazing prowess we have. Inside every Chinese restaurant, behind every mahjong table, is a spy ring with deep connections to our academic elite. Within ourselves, we have no splits among politics, none of us are Taiwanese, or mainlander, and we love the Japanese and the Vietnamese, which is why we've all invaded each other.

    Never change, War for Blair Mountain.

    I love you and your wild paranoid fantasies.

    Mr. Chieh

    I never mentioned anything about Chinese Spying. But, since you mentioned it… behold Chinese Spy, USS Navy Commander Edward C Linn now sitting in a Federal Prison for spying for China. Commander Linn was the poster boy for Diversity in the US Military.

    My point was about Asian “American” poloitical power which is wielded to economically and racially disposses The Historic Native Born White American Majority.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    We actually voted Republican until relatively recently for what it is worth. I still do, but for a long time, there was an anticommunist legacy such that most Asian immigrants came from countries that suffered from communism and tended to vote against the Coalition of the Fringes.

    This does seem to have changed lately, tragically.
  80. Alden says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Our scores are really good and we have an extremely high motivation to get into medical school - it is considered one of the only three valid professions when I was growing up, I know. And honestly, we really do work very hard at academics as from in East Asia, it determines your status in life. Status is everything for us. Killing yourself if you fail at academics can be seen as honorable as killing yourself for example, losing a battle.

    As far as networking, my white wife agrees with you. "Every race looks out for their own except whites." This isn't 100% true, mind you, I feel, but I can see what she says.

    I helped a Vietnamese friend and all, but I don't go out of my way to assist others of my race just because. Nonetheless, that willingness to nudge and try a little bit further to help someone because I feel kinship to them probably does amount to something in the long run.

    But this also comes with strong expectations of each other. I've often had Chinese coworkers expect me to give up weekends, etc "because you know that you should. We're not like the others, you know. We're Chinese and work hard." We stereotype each other, make demands that seem unreasonable, and would be pretty cruel if one of us rejected said expectations.

    I've had the fortune or otherwise of being around various other races, and I've not seen the same dynamic at all. American Blacks seem to believe that they are owed something, Hispanics tend to assume clannishness out of default expectations, not because of some unspoken creed and African Blacks seem to want to avoid being associated with American Blacks.

    Well, physician is no longer what it was. In fact, a nurse who becomes a nurse anesthetist or nurse practitioner has better life long earnings than most physicians simply because starting a career at 23 instead of 33 just means longer time to earn Plus the cost of 8 instead of 4 years of education and relocating to the most expensive cities for internship and residency.
    Nursing instead of med school is the choice a White/Asian nephew made.

    The worst competition California Whites face from Asians is housing. The wealthy arrive with several million to buy a house for cash. The middle class crowds 20 people into a 1,300 sw ft house with an illegal chicken slaughter house in the garage. I’ve seen plenty of those illegal chicken slaughter houses all over the Subset and Richmond districts of San Francisco.

    But Whites just don’t live like that. I remember looking at a house in San Francisco. It was a glorious 1900s house on Nob Hill. The living room had 6 sets of triple bunks in it. That’s 18 people. Each bedroom had a double bed and 2 sets of bunk beds. The dining room and library had bunk beds as well. There were beds for 42 people in the house and beds for 16 more in the basement. I think that’s why the Chinese like the old houses in Sanfrancisco so much. Old houses have 12 and 14 ft ceilings that can accommodate triple bunk beds.
    That was in 1977 or 78 just a few years after Nixon’s opening to China.

    American Chinese don’t live like that. But the endless immigrants pouring in think it’s normal. And even if 30 people living in one house are indentured servants in a Chinese sweatshop or restaurants they can contribute $200 a month per person for $6,000 a month rent.

    Of course such crowding is completely against the law. But building codes have never been enforced against Chinese or other Asians in San Francisco.

    San Francisco neighborhoods look nice on the outside, but go into any Chinese immigrant house and that’s what you will find unbelievable crowding.

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    Well, as they say, generals are always fighting the last war. Our culture is particularly hidebound in that sense and while there's more flexibility these days, that general perception of engineer, lawyer, and doctor remains.

    As to crowding, etc. That I'm not familiar with, but I wouldn't be enormously surprised by - I didn't participate in that, but I won't deny that some degree of "legal flexibility" is built into our culture. That said, everyone should be enforced with the same law and building codes should be pursued then.
  81. @Alden
    You are absolutely right but it is still wrong to discriminate against Whites.
    Maybe if the people's Republicans went home it wouldn't be so bad but they stay and now dominate STEM jobs especially in medicine
    The endless growth of the women and minority counselors and analysts and consultants costs a fortune. I remember when a huge grad student dorm, Mira Hershey Hall was converted from administrative offices.
    But the non state universities and colleges have the same tuition for everyone and they still massively discriminate against Whites. It's been the law for 49 years and Whites just have to take it.
    There is an entire research department at UCLA employing about 2,000 people and everyone is a Chinese national.

    It isn’t about policy, though, its about the fact that Chinese nationals have cash and pay for tuition in full rather than via loans. In a free market, getting money now is always better than getting money later. If you need policy to favor the native population – which is completely sensible – then that’s probably what needs to be looked into.

    Asians already have a quota in a lot of places that we struggle against , though. Affirmative action usually works against us.

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  82. @War for Blair Mountain
    Mr. Chieh

    I never mentioned anything about Chinese Spying. But, since you mentioned it... behold Chinese Spy, USS Navy Commander Edward C Linn now sitting in a Federal Prison for spying for China. Commander Linn was the poster boy for Diversity in the US Military.

    My point was about Asian "American" poloitical power which is wielded to economically and racially disposses The Historic Native Born White American Majority.

    We actually voted Republican until relatively recently for what it is worth. I still do, but for a long time, there was an anticommunist legacy such that most Asian immigrants came from countries that suffered from communism and tended to vote against the Coalition of the Fringes.

    This does seem to have changed lately, tragically.

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    If Asian "Americans" voted en masse on Nov 8 2020 for Donald Trump it will be because Donald Trump has promised to increase Asian Legal Immigration when in fact he should be shutting it down to 0 forever. I could care less if the Asians go for Trump in 2020. I can already hear Alex Jones ranting "AMERICA NEEDS MORE ASIAN IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUMP VOTERS!!!"


    Trump's cabinet picks have made it very clear that POTUS Trump will not start reversing the open and deliberate policy of reducing The Historic Native Born White American Majority to a violently persecuted racial minority in post-White Toilet "America".
    , @Reg Cæsar

    We actually voted Republican until relatively recently for what it is worth. I still do...
     
    That's what a selective immigration policy will lead to.

    The good ones will still get in. The rest can campaign for benefits back home.
  83. anon says:
    @Alden
    You are absolutely right but it is still wrong to discriminate against Whites.
    Maybe if the people's Republicans went home it wouldn't be so bad but they stay and now dominate STEM jobs especially in medicine
    The endless growth of the women and minority counselors and analysts and consultants costs a fortune. I remember when a huge grad student dorm, Mira Hershey Hall was converted from administrative offices.
    But the non state universities and colleges have the same tuition for everyone and they still massively discriminate against Whites. It's been the law for 49 years and Whites just have to take it.
    There is an entire research department at UCLA employing about 2,000 people and everyone is a Chinese national.

    I think it is not discriminating against Whites as much as discriminating in favor of green. Almost everything in America is explained by discrimination in favor of green above all else.

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  84. @Alden
    Well, physician is no longer what it was. In fact, a nurse who becomes a nurse anesthetist or nurse practitioner has better life long earnings than most physicians simply because starting a career at 23 instead of 33 just means longer time to earn Plus the cost of 8 instead of 4 years of education and relocating to the most expensive cities for internship and residency.
    Nursing instead of med school is the choice a White/Asian nephew made.

    The worst competition California Whites face from Asians is housing. The wealthy arrive with several million to buy a house for cash. The middle class crowds 20 people into a 1,300 sw ft house with an illegal chicken slaughter house in the garage. I've seen plenty of those illegal chicken slaughter houses all over the Subset and Richmond districts of San Francisco.

    But Whites just don't live like that. I remember looking at a house in San Francisco. It was a glorious 1900s house on Nob Hill. The living room had 6 sets of triple bunks in it. That's 18 people. Each bedroom had a double bed and 2 sets of bunk beds. The dining room and library had bunk beds as well. There were beds for 42 people in the house and beds for 16 more in the basement. I think that's why the Chinese like the old houses in Sanfrancisco so much. Old houses have 12 and 14 ft ceilings that can accommodate triple bunk beds.
    That was in 1977 or 78 just a few years after Nixon's opening to China.

    American Chinese don't live like that. But the endless immigrants pouring in think it's normal. And even if 30 people living in one house are indentured servants in a Chinese sweatshop or restaurants they can contribute $200 a month per person for $6,000 a month rent.

    Of course such crowding is completely against the law. But building codes have never been enforced against Chinese or other Asians in San Francisco.

    San Francisco neighborhoods look nice on the outside, but go into any Chinese immigrant house and that's what you will find unbelievable crowding.

    Well, as they say, generals are always fighting the last war. Our culture is particularly hidebound in that sense and while there’s more flexibility these days, that general perception of engineer, lawyer, and doctor remains.

    As to crowding, etc. That I’m not familiar with, but I wouldn’t be enormously surprised by – I didn’t participate in that, but I won’t deny that some degree of “legal flexibility” is built into our culture. That said, everyone should be enforced with the same law and building codes should be pursued then.

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  85. @Fran Macadam
    Let's not call it socialism, Marxism, whatever. I don't think folks who have worked hard and want to work, are too concerned with the finer academic points. The reality is that you know you are being sold down the river, and it really is that this includes any ethnic person who does the same sort of work and has to compete for the shrinking share as the plutocrats game the system to enrich themselves. I don't think any of those elitists are about to check the privilege they've wrested from the rest of us anytime soon.

    The racial hype being proffered as identity politics is a fancy way of hiding that old standby of the exploiter class, divide and rule. There are new words under every sun, but nothing new in human character, of which these elites are a very bad example of, displaying all the attributes that a common humanity has always condemned in its various religions from time immemorial.

    When it can't go on any longer, it won't. Obama may have feared to do anything he promised about economic policy because as he excused himself, "it would have pissed off too many powerful people." That failure of will leads us further along to where we will find out just how powerful the reaction to pissing off too many people will become.

    I’m not totally against race as a concept, where it basically used as a synonym for “culture”.
    But — it is a dangerous concept. As other commenters have pointed out race is part of the standard divide & rule tactics elites have been using for centuries. Race is a great channel for resentment, a great by-pass around real issues of economic injustice.
    Not that I’m saying that race is not a legitimate issue of discussion on such topics as affirmative action, criminal justice & immigration etc ….keeping in mind how explosive it may easily become….

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    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    People who shrieks "DIVIDE AND CONQUER"...."RULING ELITES"....are CUCKS who are actually aiding and abetting the Ruling Elites...for what always comes along with the "DIVIDE AND CONQUER!!!" shrieks is the loathsome and repellant concept of "Americanism". And the lie of "Americanism" is this:"Everyone can be an American as long as they their taxes and abides by the Constitution...MUH CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES!!!.


    Well, this intellectual sewage has allowed a demographically anihilating legal immigration policy to be implemented and enforced for 52 years that has allowed a highly racialized Chinese-Hindu-Sikh-Korean-Pakistani Voting Bloc to implant itself on American soil where it will be happily vote for the racial and economic dispossession of the Historic Native Born White American Majority on Nov 8 2020...2024....2028....


    Racial Tribalism is very real...just ask the Asian "Americans".
  86. iffen says:
    @Bill

    Anyone with socialist type ideas or views will not be interested in giving up a class and economic analysis in favor of a made up white class ideology.
     
    I've heard that it's possible to be both a racial nationalist and a socialist at the same time. There may even have been someone famous like that once. Also, LOL at the idea that nationalism is made up, but socialism isn't.

    Also, LOL at the idea that nationalism is made up, but socialism isn’t.

    I see your point.

    The rough outlines of socialism have been around for a while. Adaptation for current time and place are all that are needed. It is a political grouping.

    White identity is a failed project in the making. Races have been around forever. Trying to make an ill-defined race into a political grouping in the US has no chance of success. People want to define themselves politically for political purposes. You will not be able to get a sufficient number of people to go back to the old naturally occurring fault lines of race, religion or ethnic group.

    it’s possible to be both a racial nationalist and a socialist at the same time.

    I suppose it would work if the nation state was racially homogeneous, but we don’t have that in the US.

    There may even have been someone famous like that once.

    Yes, and he made very quick work of the real socialist faction in the NSDAP.

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  87. @Carlton Meyer
    Polls showed that Sanders would have beat Trump by 10 percentage points. It would have been more if he stuck to his principles. Early in his campaign, Sanders spoke out against open borders, but then dropped that issue for unknown reasons. From my blog:

    Aug 1, 2015 - Sanders for President!

    Most readers would be shocked to learn they support most views of Senator Bernie Sanders, who our TV tells us is an evil socialist. Spend a few minutes to watch this recent interview to discover the truth, which includes:

    The interviewer suggests that Sanders’ espousal of democratic socialism entails putting certain international concerns before national ones with policies like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. Sanders responds:

    “Open borders? No. That’s a Koch brothers proposal; a right-wing proposal, which would make everybody in America poorer—you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.

    You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?

    I think from a moral responsibility we’ve got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don’t do that by making people in this country even poorer.”

    The corporate sponsored Democrat Party must keep this madman out of any debates. He’ll stomp Hillary.

    __________________________

    Whatever one think about this issue, the rich Democrat elites put an illegal alien on stage to give a speech on the opening night of their convention. Given the polls showing the American working class angry about mass illegal immigration, this was just stupid, evidenced by the light applause, and a good example of why Clinton loss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8IfRNwyfaM

    Once again, nothing has robbed poor blacks, latinos, and whites of economic opportunities more than mass illegal immigration. They may not speak about it in public, but they know it's true. It hurts healthcare for everyone too, as a visit to the waiting room of any American hospital ER will demonstrate.

    “Polls say” , the most laughable quote of 2016!

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  88. @animalogic
    I'm not totally against race as a concept, where it basically used as a synonym for "culture".
    But -- it is a dangerous concept. As other commenters have pointed out race is part of the standard divide & rule tactics elites have been using for centuries. Race is a great channel for resentment, a great by-pass around real issues of economic injustice.
    Not that I'm saying that race is not a legitimate issue of discussion on such topics as affirmative action, criminal justice & immigration etc ....keeping in mind how explosive it may easily become....

    People who shrieks “DIVIDE AND CONQUER”….”RULING ELITES”….are CUCKS who are actually aiding and abetting the Ruling Elites…for what always comes along with the “DIVIDE AND CONQUER!!!” shrieks is the loathsome and repellant concept of “Americanism”. And the lie of “Americanism” is this:”Everyone can be an American as long as they their taxes and abides by the Constitution…MUH CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES!!!.

    Well, this intellectual sewage has allowed a demographically anihilating legal immigration policy to be implemented and enforced for 52 years that has allowed a highly racialized Chinese-Hindu-Sikh-Korean-Pakistani Voting Bloc to implant itself on American soil where it will be happily vote for the racial and economic dispossession of the Historic Native Born White American Majority on Nov 8 2020…2024….2028….

    Racial Tribalism is very real…just ask the Asian “Americans”.

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  89. @Daniel Chieh
    We actually voted Republican until relatively recently for what it is worth. I still do, but for a long time, there was an anticommunist legacy such that most Asian immigrants came from countries that suffered from communism and tended to vote against the Coalition of the Fringes.

    This does seem to have changed lately, tragically.

    If Asian “Americans” voted en masse on Nov 8 2020 for Donald Trump it will be because Donald Trump has promised to increase Asian Legal Immigration when in fact he should be shutting it down to 0 forever. I could care less if the Asians go for Trump in 2020. I can already hear Alex Jones ranting “AMERICA NEEDS MORE ASIAN IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUMP VOTERS!!!”

    Trump’s cabinet picks have made it very clear that POTUS Trump will not start reversing the open and deliberate policy of reducing The Historic Native Born White American Majority to a violently persecuted racial minority in post-White Toilet “America”.

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    I don't really think I have been feeling a life and death urge against the Historic Native Born White American Majority, but okay. Merry Christmas, Witch from Blair Mountain.
  90. Che Guava says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The man is so disconnected from reality on racial issues...
     
    I-VT.

    ...by the end of his first administration the black-white incineration gap would be ended.
     
    Are blacks incinerated at a significantly different rate than are whites? I thought those church-burning stories were debunked. Or at least buried, once the other side realized that the whites with the biggest problem with black churches were gay activists.

    I wanted to just press the ‘LOL’ button, but noting the witless ‘incinerated’ for ‘incarcerated’ deserves a congratulatory comment. Wanted to mention it, too, until I saw you already had.

    Still, LOL, ROFL, ROFLMAO.

    … and merry Christmas to you, Reg.

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  91. @War for Blair Mountain
    If Asian "Americans" voted en masse on Nov 8 2020 for Donald Trump it will be because Donald Trump has promised to increase Asian Legal Immigration when in fact he should be shutting it down to 0 forever. I could care less if the Asians go for Trump in 2020. I can already hear Alex Jones ranting "AMERICA NEEDS MORE ASIAN IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUMP VOTERS!!!"


    Trump's cabinet picks have made it very clear that POTUS Trump will not start reversing the open and deliberate policy of reducing The Historic Native Born White American Majority to a violently persecuted racial minority in post-White Toilet "America".

    I don’t really think I have been feeling a life and death urge against the Historic Native Born White American Majority, but okay. Merry Christmas, Witch from Blair Mountain.

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  92. Che Guava says:

    Mr. Roberts is posing a direct question, most commentors (I read half) are not answering it.

    I will answer ‘No’.

    It is refreshing to me that a tiny minority of leftists are trying to do a little better, but the lines you quote would give little hope. No point quoting them, they are in the brief article.

    It took Stalin years to control the murderous Jewish Bolsheviks. After he managed to, he was soon dead. I am not saying the ‘Doctor’s Plot’ was true, I am saying that it it can never be discounted as false.

    The Jewish Bolshevik style was repeated in many, but not most, of the eastern-European ‘people’s republics’, notoriously so in Hungary and East Germany.

    Mao did a pretty great job of mass-slaughter with no Jewish Bolshevik influence.

    Laos is the only really communist nation in the east, Belarus the only true inheritor of the best of the USSR to the west. They have similarities.

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  93. Anti-anti-white socialists despise elite whites who live in “whiteopias” but call working class whites “racists,”

    what am I?

    I hate the current elites of both sides. supports all working classes. but also know the realities of the current world. manufacturing jobs are not coming back. maybe to robot filled factories, maybe. not to blue collar workers. this isn’t the immediate aftermath of ww2. the world is no longer our oyster.

    earn your monies, invest. dunno how? find a company that does. take your own life into your own hands. if immigrants can make a living in the usa, why can’t the “former” blue collar class? change with the times or be left in the dust. 1950s is not coming back.

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  94. Demontage says: • Website

    In a certain way, the liberal media have a point about Trump’s appeal bearing similarity to Germany’s national socialist movement of the 1930s. National socialism was a specific mix of right (private enterprise) and left (distribution of wealth for citizens). Without using the tainted label, it is a mix which has always implicitly appealed to Reagan Democrats and Trump voters.

    I am a white male Gen-Xer and lifelong Democrat, until recently. I grew up in a white working-class family in the northeast, among Reagan Democrat types who vote for Republicans locally (for lower taxes in tax-heavy blue states). Yet they voted for Obama twice. First because of their disappointment in Bush, Iraq, and the financial crisis in 2008; the second time because of their distrust of the corporate globalist shill Romney in 2012. They also liked Obama for appearing, as Joe Biden famously noted, ‘bright, clean, and articulate’, i.e., assimilated to white norms.

    Many, if not most, American voters are not ideological. They are attracted to ‘common sense’ appeals, spoken in plain language. This is why they like Trump. I believe they are also generally race realists, not by studying statistics or evolution, but by simple, direct observation of behavior in their localities and local news.

    The name of “national socialism” is unfortunately tainted by the Nazi era, but in fact, the basic theory explains much of the instincts of these voters: They dislike elite Reublicans who want to dismantle Social Security, etc., but they also dislike Democrats who seek special benefits for minorities and immigrants, against the national majority interests of citizens.

    There is a wide opening for politicians like Jim Webb to expand on the Trump coalition, but with a left-of-center slant. The message needs to implicitly affirm the normativity of a white majority, with tolerance, but not special treatment, for racial minorities.

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    The name of “national socialism” is unfortunately tainted by the Nazi era, but in fact, the basic theory explains much of the instincts of these voters...
     
    True. The original DAP was formed by leftists who were disillusioned with the SPD in the aftermath of WWI and weren't crazy about the anti-nationalist stance of the Bolsheviks. Their racial ideology came largely due to the influence of ethnic Germans from the eastern diaspora who came to Germany proper (e.g. Alfred Rosenberg) and the association of Bolshevism with Russian jews. And of course the socialist aspects of their ideology were dropped in order to cut the deals with those who financed their rise to power.
    , @KenH

    They also liked Obama for appearing, as Joe Biden famously noted, ‘bright, clean, and articulate’, i.e., assimilated to white norms.
     
    During Obama's first campaign white voters perceived him as a "good" black person and someone who was above the race baiting of Al Sharpton and his ilk and who would govern in good faith. They badly miscalculated as once Obama assumed office the mask dropped. The speech and demeanor Obama adopted during the campaign was calculated to disarm whites and it worked to perfection. He and his campaign knew that he would carry almost the entire black vote and a supermajority of Latinos.

    I believe they are also generally race realists, not by studying statistics or evolution, but by simple, direct observation of behavior in their localities and local news.
     
    Whites tend to be the least race realist/race conscious as evidenced by their voting patterns (they vote for non-whites in greater percentages than the reverse). They do have a race conscious but it's shallow in comparison to every other racial group and they have a religious faith in assimilation. Most whites still don't realize that racial differences in intelligence, temperament and worldview make for the irreconcilable political differences that are now front and center in American life.
  95. “The message needs to implicitly affirm the normativity of a white majority”.

    Hilarious!

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  96. Thirdeye says:
    @Demontage
    In a certain way, the liberal media have a point about Trump's appeal bearing similarity to Germany's national socialist movement of the 1930s. National socialism was a specific mix of right (private enterprise) and left (distribution of wealth for citizens). Without using the tainted label, it is a mix which has always implicitly appealed to Reagan Democrats and Trump voters.

    I am a white male Gen-Xer and lifelong Democrat, until recently. I grew up in a white working-class family in the northeast, among Reagan Democrat types who vote for Republicans locally (for lower taxes in tax-heavy blue states). Yet they voted for Obama twice. First because of their disappointment in Bush, Iraq, and the financial crisis in 2008; the second time because of their distrust of the corporate globalist shill Romney in 2012. They also liked Obama for appearing, as Joe Biden famously noted, 'bright, clean, and articulate', i.e., assimilated to white norms.

    Many, if not most, American voters are not ideological. They are attracted to 'common sense' appeals, spoken in plain language. This is why they like Trump. I believe they are also generally race realists, not by studying statistics or evolution, but by simple, direct observation of behavior in their localities and local news.

    The name of "national socialism" is unfortunately tainted by the Nazi era, but in fact, the basic theory explains much of the instincts of these voters: They dislike elite Reublicans who want to dismantle Social Security, etc., but they also dislike Democrats who seek special benefits for minorities and immigrants, against the national majority interests of citizens.

    There is a wide opening for politicians like Jim Webb to expand on the Trump coalition, but with a left-of-center slant. The message needs to implicitly affirm the normativity of a white majority, with tolerance, but not special treatment, for racial minorities.

    The name of “national socialism” is unfortunately tainted by the Nazi era, but in fact, the basic theory explains much of the instincts of these voters…

    True. The original DAP was formed by leftists who were disillusioned with the SPD in the aftermath of WWI and weren’t crazy about the anti-nationalist stance of the Bolsheviks. Their racial ideology came largely due to the influence of ethnic Germans from the eastern diaspora who came to Germany proper (e.g. Alfred Rosenberg) and the association of Bolshevism with Russian jews. And of course the socialist aspects of their ideology were dropped in order to cut the deals with those who financed their rise to power.

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    The original DAP was formed by leftists who were disillusioned with the SPD in the aftermath of WWI and weren’t crazy about the anti-nationalist stance of the Bolsheviks.
     
    That's just false. The founders of the DAP weren't former members of the SPD or in any way associated with the SPD. Anton Drexler was a member of the right-wing volkisch Vaterlandspartei, Karl Harrer was a member of the esoteric racialist-mystic Thule Society, Paul Tafel was a member of the ultranationalist Pan-German League and the Thule Society, and so on. I'm not aware of a single founding member who was at all affiliated with the SPD. The origins of the DAP were in German ultranationalism and racial mysticism, not socialism or social democracy.

    And of course the socialist aspects of their ideology were dropped in order to cut the deals with those who financed their rise to power.
     
    Big capital didn't "finance" the NSDAP's "rise to power", but Hitler certainly did seek their support and, once he was in power, big business got along swimmingly with Nazi regime, as unions were crushed, and profits and the share of the national income going to capital shot through the roof. And yes, the "socialists" (and they weren't really socialists, either) either left the party (Otto Strasser), or were murdered (Gregor Strasser, Ernst Röhm, etc.).
  97. Joshua says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm a white liberal who sympathizes with most of what I read on Unz.com. So I guess I'll comment.

    You're definitely on to something here. Identifying the two groups as mostly clinton-supporters and sanders-supporters works too. I was struck plenty of times during 2016 how Sanders and Trump speeches sounded very much alike (to my ears). Yes, there is definitely potential for people in this group to gain a racial conciousness... but also for them to recruit from trump-supporter ranks; it goes both ways.

    You need to find a different name for this group, though, something with no 'anti' in it, let alone two. They don't see themselves as anti-anyone-at-all. They are actually trying to be good allies to the other liberals, just disagreeing on the best way to help them.

    You need to find a different name for this group, though, something with no ‘anti’ in it, let alone two. They don’t see themselves as anti-anyone-at-all.

    Green-Nationalists.

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  98. KenH says:
    @Demontage
    In a certain way, the liberal media have a point about Trump's appeal bearing similarity to Germany's national socialist movement of the 1930s. National socialism was a specific mix of right (private enterprise) and left (distribution of wealth for citizens). Without using the tainted label, it is a mix which has always implicitly appealed to Reagan Democrats and Trump voters.

    I am a white male Gen-Xer and lifelong Democrat, until recently. I grew up in a white working-class family in the northeast, among Reagan Democrat types who vote for Republicans locally (for lower taxes in tax-heavy blue states). Yet they voted for Obama twice. First because of their disappointment in Bush, Iraq, and the financial crisis in 2008; the second time because of their distrust of the corporate globalist shill Romney in 2012. They also liked Obama for appearing, as Joe Biden famously noted, 'bright, clean, and articulate', i.e., assimilated to white norms.

    Many, if not most, American voters are not ideological. They are attracted to 'common sense' appeals, spoken in plain language. This is why they like Trump. I believe they are also generally race realists, not by studying statistics or evolution, but by simple, direct observation of behavior in their localities and local news.

    The name of "national socialism" is unfortunately tainted by the Nazi era, but in fact, the basic theory explains much of the instincts of these voters: They dislike elite Reublicans who want to dismantle Social Security, etc., but they also dislike Democrats who seek special benefits for minorities and immigrants, against the national majority interests of citizens.

    There is a wide opening for politicians like Jim Webb to expand on the Trump coalition, but with a left-of-center slant. The message needs to implicitly affirm the normativity of a white majority, with tolerance, but not special treatment, for racial minorities.

    They also liked Obama for appearing, as Joe Biden famously noted, ‘bright, clean, and articulate’, i.e., assimilated to white norms.

    During Obama’s first campaign white voters perceived him as a “good” black person and someone who was above the race baiting of Al Sharpton and his ilk and who would govern in good faith. They badly miscalculated as once Obama assumed office the mask dropped. The speech and demeanor Obama adopted during the campaign was calculated to disarm whites and it worked to perfection. He and his campaign knew that he would carry almost the entire black vote and a supermajority of Latinos.

    I believe they are also generally race realists, not by studying statistics or evolution, but by simple, direct observation of behavior in their localities and local news.

    Whites tend to be the least race realist/race conscious as evidenced by their voting patterns (they vote for non-whites in greater percentages than the reverse). They do have a race conscious but it’s shallow in comparison to every other racial group and they have a religious faith in assimilation. Most whites still don’t realize that racial differences in intelligence, temperament and worldview make for the irreconcilable political differences that are now front and center in American life.

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    Most whites still don’t realize that racial differences in intelligence, temperament and worldview make for the irreconcilable political differences that are now front and center in American life.
     
    But there are irreconcilable political differences between whites. Liberals might as well be a different species.

    And there are irreconcilable political differences between the globalist elites (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be) and everyone else (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be).
  99. anon says:
    @Joshua

    You need to find a different name for this group, though, something with no ‘anti’ in it, let alone two. They don’t see themselves as anti-anyone-at-all.
     
    Green-Nationalists.

    The WIIFM Party (What’s In It For Me Party).

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    The WIIFM Party (What’s In It For Me Party).
     
    The HIHAP (How It Helps America's People) Party.
  100. Joshua says:
    @anon
    The WIIFM Party (What's In It For Me Party).

    The WIIFM Party (What’s In It For Me Party).

    The HIHAP (How It Helps America’s People) Party.

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    • Replies: @anon
    I don't think HIHAP is accurate; Many more oppose Obamacare, than, say, the F-35 program.

    Why?

    Obamacare helps too many "wrong" kind of people; F-35 program helps mostly "right" kind of people.

    Trump wants to start a nuke modernization program. It is estimated to be $1T over lifetime. Watch carefully, it will get considerable support. It will attract far less opposition, than, say a High Speed Rail program.
  101. anon says:
    @Joshua

    The WIIFM Party (What’s In It For Me Party).
     
    The HIHAP (How It Helps America's People) Party.

    I don’t think HIHAP is accurate; Many more oppose Obamacare, than, say, the F-35 program.

    Why?

    Obamacare helps too many “wrong” kind of people; F-35 program helps mostly “right” kind of people.

    Trump wants to start a nuke modernization program. It is estimated to be $1T over lifetime. Watch carefully, it will get considerable support. It will attract far less opposition, than, say a High Speed Rail program.

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  102. dfordoom says: • Website
    @KenH

    They also liked Obama for appearing, as Joe Biden famously noted, ‘bright, clean, and articulate’, i.e., assimilated to white norms.
     
    During Obama's first campaign white voters perceived him as a "good" black person and someone who was above the race baiting of Al Sharpton and his ilk and who would govern in good faith. They badly miscalculated as once Obama assumed office the mask dropped. The speech and demeanor Obama adopted during the campaign was calculated to disarm whites and it worked to perfection. He and his campaign knew that he would carry almost the entire black vote and a supermajority of Latinos.

    I believe they are also generally race realists, not by studying statistics or evolution, but by simple, direct observation of behavior in their localities and local news.
     
    Whites tend to be the least race realist/race conscious as evidenced by their voting patterns (they vote for non-whites in greater percentages than the reverse). They do have a race conscious but it's shallow in comparison to every other racial group and they have a religious faith in assimilation. Most whites still don't realize that racial differences in intelligence, temperament and worldview make for the irreconcilable political differences that are now front and center in American life.

    Most whites still don’t realize that racial differences in intelligence, temperament and worldview make for the irreconcilable political differences that are now front and center in American life.

    But there are irreconcilable political differences between whites. Liberals might as well be a different species.

    And there are irreconcilable political differences between the globalist elites (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be) and everyone else (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be).

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    But there are irreconcilable political differences between whites. Liberals might as well be a different species.
     
    Hard to disagree with that statement, but it's mostly due to the brainwashing whites receive when they go to college and sometimes even before. Several of my previously normal high school friends became bat shit insane liberals once they went to college. One guy I knew was fond of saying the dreaded "n" word but when I saw him his junior year in college he had turned into a total anti-racist and must have called me a racist at least 15 times (sometimes jokingly, sometimes not) over the course of the two hours we spent together.

    And there are irreconcilable political differences between the globalist elites (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be) and everyone else (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be).
     
    Sounds like the Alex Jones narrative whereby the "globalist elites" and "illuminati" are opposed by a rag tag band of rainbow populists. Trump ran on a populist, anti-globalist platform and 80% of the votes he received came from whites. The "global elite" now speak derisively of populism and use it in a pejorative manner to mean racist, intolerant white people who are resisting attempts to turn their nations into global plantations and third world dung heaps via mass immigration.
  103. matt says:
    @Thirdeye

    The name of “national socialism” is unfortunately tainted by the Nazi era, but in fact, the basic theory explains much of the instincts of these voters...
     
    True. The original DAP was formed by leftists who were disillusioned with the SPD in the aftermath of WWI and weren't crazy about the anti-nationalist stance of the Bolsheviks. Their racial ideology came largely due to the influence of ethnic Germans from the eastern diaspora who came to Germany proper (e.g. Alfred Rosenberg) and the association of Bolshevism with Russian jews. And of course the socialist aspects of their ideology were dropped in order to cut the deals with those who financed their rise to power.

    The original DAP was formed by leftists who were disillusioned with the SPD in the aftermath of WWI and weren’t crazy about the anti-nationalist stance of the Bolsheviks.

    That’s just false. The founders of the DAP weren’t former members of the SPD or in any way associated with the SPD. Anton Drexler was a member of the right-wing volkisch Vaterlandspartei, Karl Harrer was a member of the esoteric racialist-mystic Thule Society, Paul Tafel was a member of the ultranationalist Pan-German League and the Thule Society, and so on. I’m not aware of a single founding member who was at all affiliated with the SPD. The origins of the DAP were in German ultranationalism and racial mysticism, not socialism or social democracy.

    And of course the socialist aspects of their ideology were dropped in order to cut the deals with those who financed their rise to power.

    Big capital didn’t “finance” the NSDAP’s “rise to power”, but Hitler certainly did seek their support and, once he was in power, big business got along swimmingly with Nazi regime, as unions were crushed, and profits and the share of the national income going to capital shot through the roof. And yes, the “socialists” (and they weren’t really socialists, either) either left the party (Otto Strasser), or were murdered (Gregor Strasser, Ernst Röhm, etc.).

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  104. @Daniel Chieh
    We actually voted Republican until relatively recently for what it is worth. I still do, but for a long time, there was an anticommunist legacy such that most Asian immigrants came from countries that suffered from communism and tended to vote against the Coalition of the Fringes.

    This does seem to have changed lately, tragically.

    We actually voted Republican until relatively recently for what it is worth. I still do…

    That’s what a selective immigration policy will lead to.

    The good ones will still get in. The rest can campaign for benefits back home.

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  105. @WorkingClass
    The Alt-Left are class realists. If "left" is an ideology, class realists are the only left there is. Clinton Democrats hate the working class and love the ruling class while pandering to their coalition of the fringes. For Class realists the Centrist (read Corporatist) D's and R's are largely one and the same. Class realists will not be drawn into racial politics because they seek solidarity among the working classes. The Republicans have nominated and the country has elected a populist in Donald Trump. Populism exists in left and right flavors. I am a class realist myself and I much prefer Trump's right flavored populism to the corporatism of the Bushes and Clintons.

    Working class Mexicans, Blaxx, Whites, Feminists and Queers have much more in common with the each other than with the .01%. Given a choice most of us would choose peace over war and prosperity over welfare.

    Class realist? I like that. Perhaps we know each other?

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  106. “Is it reasonable to think that around one in four of these anti-anti-white socialists could become white advocates?”

    I admin and moderate multiple alt-left groups on Facebook, and I also do a blog and YouTube channel devoted to what this article calls anti-anti-white leftism. So I am deep in this movement. I can assure you that there is little interest in white advocacy among this group overall, but it has some adherents, especially among the early alt-leftists (think Beyond Highbrow or AltLeft.com). But even that is sketchy. The tendency, however, is towards class rather than race realism. The two are very hard to reconcile naturally.

    Our dislike of cultural Marxism lies in the fact that it detracts from the economic basis of classic Marxist thought. The kind of anti white, anti male thinking prevalent on the left today is as a result of an erosion of class consciousness and a gradual invisiblizing of relations of production as a source of inequality and privilege. As a result, the postmodern left attributes inequality to cultures promoting racism and discrimination because they’re without any other explanation once political economy is factored out. We oppose anti-white leftism, but for very different reasons than AmRen would – because it promotes a false consciousness and false understanding of the real nature of privilege. We think this kind of “leftism” enjoys corporate backing in mainstream media for largely this reason.

    The tendency at AmRen would be to attribute inequality across racial demographics to innate genetic differences between the races. Personally, I would not rule this out, but it’s generally outside the scope of our main concern, which is economic relations.

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  107. KenH says:
    @dfordoom

    Most whites still don’t realize that racial differences in intelligence, temperament and worldview make for the irreconcilable political differences that are now front and center in American life.
     
    But there are irreconcilable political differences between whites. Liberals might as well be a different species.

    And there are irreconcilable political differences between the globalist elites (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be) and everyone else (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be).

    But there are irreconcilable political differences between whites. Liberals might as well be a different species.

    Hard to disagree with that statement, but it’s mostly due to the brainwashing whites receive when they go to college and sometimes even before. Several of my previously normal high school friends became bat shit insane liberals once they went to college. One guy I knew was fond of saying the dreaded “n” word but when I saw him his junior year in college he had turned into a total anti-racist and must have called me a racist at least 15 times (sometimes jokingly, sometimes not) over the course of the two hours we spent together.

    And there are irreconcilable political differences between the globalist elites (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be) and everyone else (regardless of what colour, race or ethnicity they happen to be).

    Sounds like the Alex Jones narrative whereby the “globalist elites” and “illuminati” are opposed by a rag tag band of rainbow populists. Trump ran on a populist, anti-globalist platform and 80% of the votes he received came from whites. The “global elite” now speak derisively of populism and use it in a pejorative manner to mean racist, intolerant white people who are resisting attempts to turn their nations into global plantations and third world dung heaps via mass immigration.

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  108. […] We’re speaking, of course, of Corbynism and Sanderism: […]

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  109. @Carlton Meyer
    Polls showed that Sanders would have beat Trump by 10 percentage points. It would have been more if he stuck to his principles. Early in his campaign, Sanders spoke out against open borders, but then dropped that issue for unknown reasons. From my blog:

    Aug 1, 2015 - Sanders for President!

    Most readers would be shocked to learn they support most views of Senator Bernie Sanders, who our TV tells us is an evil socialist. Spend a few minutes to watch this recent interview to discover the truth, which includes:

    The interviewer suggests that Sanders’ espousal of democratic socialism entails putting certain international concerns before national ones with policies like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. Sanders responds:

    “Open borders? No. That’s a Koch brothers proposal; a right-wing proposal, which would make everybody in America poorer—you’re doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don’t think there’s any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don’t believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.

    You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you’re a white high school graduate, it’s 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?

    I think from a moral responsibility we’ve got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don’t do that by making people in this country even poorer.”

    The corporate sponsored Democrat Party must keep this madman out of any debates. He’ll stomp Hillary.

    __________________________

    Whatever one think about this issue, the rich Democrat elites put an illegal alien on stage to give a speech on the opening night of their convention. Given the polls showing the American working class angry about mass illegal immigration, this was just stupid, evidenced by the light applause, and a good example of why Clinton loss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8IfRNwyfaM

    Once again, nothing has robbed poor blacks, latinos, and whites of economic opportunities more than mass illegal immigration. They may not speak about it in public, but they know it's true. It hurts healthcare for everyone too, as a visit to the waiting room of any American hospital ER will demonstrate.

    I agree with every thing you stated. I supported Sanders until I discovered he was pro-Zionist and pro-war. I did not bother to vote and was not disappointed when the DNC stabbed him in the back. It rankles me that I have to write this but here it is. If I am perceived as being an anti-Semite then I am the strangest anti-Semite that has crawled from under a rock. Back in the day in 1973, I was drinking at the University of Saarbrucken, at a bar (cavernous) called the Canosa. I had to use the bathroom. This incident occurred during the war between Israel and Arab countries. Next to my urinal was a young man, he was slight of build and maybe five and one-half foot tall.
    I myself am not an imposing physical specimen; I am five feet, ten inches tall and at that time weighed one-hundred, forty-five pounds.
    As the both of us were relieving ourselves, four Saudis came into the bathroom and confronted that young man. They asked him if he was Jewish and he said that he was. I could tell from the timbre of his voice that he was frightened. I knew that these Saudis were going to stomp him. The smallest of the Saudis was taller than I was. As I pulled up my zipper I faced them and said that I was a Jew also (I am not.) I then faced them and was ready to die and die. The ball was in their court and they chose not to serve, instead they turned around and walked out. Punks. All I can say is thank God for PTSD (Vietnam) and I was ready for the Twilight of the Gods. They weren’t.

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  110. joef says:

    Its about time that the sincere well meaning liberals challenge the race baiting false narrative of the elitist libs, new left fanatics, and radicalized afro americans. A balkanized American narrative of constant racial grievances is not good for anyone involved. The elitist/academics/MSM like to pontificate from afar about things that they do not have any substantial personal experience in (yet calling others with substantial personal experiences as merely anecdotal).

    We already have the economic burden of a huge national debt, coupled with limited savings rate, which erodes our ability to invest (that includes govt bonds). We shouldn’t add racial balkanization to the problem. But for the new left, it is the only way they can get useful idiots to follow their own destructive agenda, while the rest of us suffer for it.

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  111. Eee says:

    A few “leftists” have already made some good comments here, but I’ll chime in as well:
    No, there is not much chance of making them “white advocates”.

    Here’s what the Sanders (your “anti-anti-white”) people have in common with the Trump people: they like the idea of everyone, including themselves, having the option to be paid well for doing a good job. (Trump didn’t talk about race; he talked about jobs for legal American citizens, regardless of race)

    Here’s what unites these “Sanders” people, and where they differ from the “Trump” people: they believe that enormous and ever-increasing income inequality (remember the statistics that Sanders constantly quoted?) is the primary reason why that’s not happening. They see all other issues (both “left” and “right”, both “pro-white” and “anti-white”) as a distraction.

    So even if some of them WERE sympathetic to *ahem* “white advocate” arguments that “white culture” must be protected, they’d point out that over the last 40 years, the richest 0.1% of the US population has taken a much greater % of per capita US GDP from other “whites” than all the other races and cultures combined have done, and that reversing that would be the quickest way to improve the lot of these “whites”, who could then use the money to promote their traditional culture if they wanted, but that would come AFTER income inequality was reversed to the levels of at least 1980.

    If there was a candidate who was BOTH a “white advocate” AND credibly promised to bring income inequality back to 1980 levels, though? Well… I suspect it would depend a lot on how much finesse that candidate had. I don’t think it would fly if the candidate actually called him/herself a “white advocate”. It might if the candidate spoke of “creating more trust-filled communities” (because studies show immigration increases distrust), studying what works best for different cultures, of using patient genes to improve health treatments, all consensual and data-based of course; that sort of thing. It would be more likely to work if the candidate was an “America advocate” like Trump, rather than a “white advocate”, who promised to make the US economy less outsourced, to rely more on its own people (that would actually be one way of reducing the income inequality).

    As for myself, although I didn’t vote (because I’m Canadian), the fact that Trump talked fairly sensibly on foreign policy and Hillary was a mainstream neoconservative would have been enough for me to cast my vote for him if I had been able to.

    That was even a bigger issue for me this time than the environment (putting global warming aside, I really don’t like the polluted air and water that our current energy sources cause and hope they find a way to replace them in my lifetime, though I fear they never will).

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  112. @Anon
    As Sanders proved, the white-hating left currently controls the Democrats, and I don't see the antis gaining any future traction among the leftists. The Browns and Blacks must have a mark to work their gimmedat con on, and working whites are the designated victim. Browns and Blacks know they have no hope of replacing the upper-middle white intelligensia at their jobs, but they can successfully kick the white working class out of theirs, as long as B & Bs can continue to guilt trip/hector the intelligensia into arranging the defenestration. Unfortunately for America, the B & Bs have found that chasing after their economic interests dovetails perfectly with the class and cultural warfare the intelligensia is furiously practicing against working class whites. A classic pro-worker Marxist would have shot our entire intelligensia, although the latter would be stunned to realize that.

    The antis work against Identity Politics with their traditional pro-labor stance. They will be either purged or discouraged into leaving the Democrats, and I predict they'll be voting Republican in 2020. The rump of the Democrat party isn't getting more tolerant or saner. Those people who were sane are leaving or have already left.

    They will learn, by ultimatum if need be: Abandon anti-white identity politics, or be condemned to irrelevance in the absence of our support, You still need us, tie your panties in as many knots as you need to, but thems the facts. Be thankful we haven’t joined the right wholesale, you pricks deserve it.

    –Regards

    Whitey.

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  113. I probably passed through something like the “anti-anti-white left” stage you describe on my way out of the left entirely. (Although some online political quiz I took disagrees with me and calls me an “authoritarian leftist” like Stalin.) I’m still a trade unionist, but I can’t read Jacobin anymore. For every decent piece, they’ve got 10 pieces about the plight of the female Guatemalan stoop laborer or whatever.

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  114. @Robert Hume
    "I used to consder myself more or less a leftist, but now I realize that a good part of this was thinking that “of course” I was a leftist because I was not a “racist”. I still find vulgar “racism” quite distasteful and often morally wrong (although having thrown off the shackles of “anti-racism” it is easy to be tempted by it). But ideological “anti-racism”, which in practice is “anti-whiteism”, now strikes me as something worse, and it is worse because it is inherently ideological."

    When I was young, in the 1940s,I was upset by my upper class parents distaste for "white trash". Apparently being anti-white working-class goes way back, and so does being instinctively anti-anti-white among a few.

    Interesting. I am decades younger, at least, but it seems we are playing the long game.

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  115. The hatred of white people is the Left’s raison d’etre. Imagining a Leftist who doesn’t hate white people is like imagining an ISIS fighter who hates Huhammed. Since 1965 and the introduction of systematic genocide against American whites, it is the glue that holds the Left together. In the great, bloated flowchart of Leftist outrage, the hatred of white people will always be number one on the list, and will be the filter through which all things are passed: immigration, the environment, the economy, whatever. So calling them anti-white Socialists or whatever is a misnomer. They are Socialist anti-whites.

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