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Ta-Nehisi Coates: My President Was Black
Ta-Nehisi Coates.  Credit: Occidental Dissent.
Ta-Nehisi Coates. Credit: Occidental Dissent.

If you have a good 45 minutes to waste on a long-winded Ta-Nehisi Coates think piece navel-gazing over his blackness in the final days of Black Run America (BRA), you will not want to miss “My President Was Black”:

“In the waning days of President Barack Obama’s administration, he and his wife, Michelle, hosted a farewell party, the full import of which no one could then grasp. It was late October, Friday the 21st, and the president had spent many of the previous weeks, as he would spend the two subsequent weeks, campaigning for the Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton. Things were looking up. Polls in the crucial states of Virginia and Pennsylvania showed Clinton with solid advantages. The formidable GOP strongholds of Georgia and Texas were said to be under threat. The moment seemed to buoy Obama. He had been light on his feet in these last few weeks, cracking jokes at the expense of Republican opponents and laughing off hecklers. At a rally in Orlando on October 28, he greeted a student who would be introducing him by dancing toward her and then noting that the song playing over the loudspeakers—the Gap Band’s “Outstanding”—was older than she was. “This is classic!” he said. Then he flashed the smile that had launched America’s first black presidency, and started dancing again. Three months still remained before Inauguration Day, but staffers had already begun to count down the days. They did this with a mix of pride and longing—like college seniors in early May. They had no sense of the world they were graduating into. None of us did. …”

It begins with a BET hosted cocktail party with the Obamas on the South Lawn of the White House in late October and ends with Trump’s unexpected victory.

Highlights include:

  • “Usher led the crowd in a call-and-response: “Say it loud, I’m black and I’m proud.”
  • “It was the feeling that this particular black family, the Obamas, represented the best of black people, the ultimate credit to the race, incomparable in elegance and bearing.”
  • “Whiteness in America is a different symbol—a badge of advantage.”
  • “But Obama appealed to a belief in innocence—in particular a white innocence—that ascribed the country’s historical errors more to misunderstanding and the work of a small cabal than to any deliberate malevolence or widespread racism. America was good. America was great.”
  • “For most African Americans, white people exist either as a direct or an indirect force for bad in their lives.”
  • “African Americans typically raise their children to protect themselves against a presumed hostility from white teachers, white police officers, white supervisors, and white co-workers.”
  • “That lens, born of literally relating to whites, allowed Obama to imagine that he could be the country’s first black president.”
  • “The national anthem was played first, but then came the black national anthem, “Lift Every Voice and Sing.” As the lyrics rang out over the crowd, the students held up the black-power fist—a symbol of defiance before power. And yet here, in the face of a black man in his last year in power, it scanned not as a protest, but as a salute.”

Poor Ta-Nehisi Coates … he just doesn’t get it. He is utterly blind to how his own Black Nationalist identitarianism and racial grievance politics inexorably leads to Richard Spencer’s White Nationalist identitarianism:

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So, I’m a White male. I’ve heard about this “Alt-Right.”

I’m sitting here wondering why Ta-Nehisi Coates is considered legitimate and is a celebrated public intellectual, but Richard Spencer is demonized as a hateful extremist. Why is Ta-Nehisi Coates railing against “white supremacy” when he is feted by the black president of the United States at a cocktail party on the South Lawn of the White House? Why is Ta-Nehisi Coates writing for The Atlantic? Why does he have his own “Black Panther” comic book? Why is Ta-Nehisi Coates teaching a course at MIT?

It’s because Richard Spencer is White, isn’t it?

Obviously, The Atlantic doesn’t have a problem with hail victories so long as it is the black power salute. They don’t have a problem with blacks nurturing racial grievances. They don’t have a problem with “extremist groups” like the Black Panthers. They don’t have any objection to black identity politics or racial animosity toward Whites. Their sole objection is to White identity and White interest group politics.

What would they say if a White musician was on the South Lawn of the White House leading an overwhelmingly White crowd in a call-and-response: “Say it loud, I’m White and I’m proud.” Hell, we all know that would be a “story about race in America,” wouldn’t it? That would be a story about “hate” or something.

The real story here is how that doesn’t work anymore like it used to.

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  1. Poor Ta-Nehisi Coates … he just doesn’t get it. He is utterly blind to how his own Black Nationalist identitarianism and racial grievance politics inexorably leads to Richard Spencer’s White Nationalist identitarianism:

    Well, it doesn’t lead to it, it’s just the same thing. Both are race-mongers, identically confused and misguided. You’re right: if one is despised, so should be the other.

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    • Replies: @Lemurmaniac
    i get that blacks don't feel at home in a predominantly non-black country though, whether or no it is explicitly racist. People want to be round people who are like them. Spencer and Coates are the vanguard of where general sentiment in America is heading. Most blacks approve of Dindu Lives Matters. Most whites vote Republican(the implicitly rapidly becoming explicitly white party), and this trend intensified as Trump drew ALL classes of whites. Proximity + difference = conflict on a long enough time scale. What you view as a cause of 'divisiveness' is actually a symptom.
    , @Maj. Kong
    Conservatism Inc. has failed to morally shame the left into abandoning identity politics. And thus, they lost their role as gatekeepers for the Right.

    Leftists see no immediate self-interest in stopping the demographic invasion, and they see no moral principle in supporting anything that is good for the West's Ancien Regime.

    For dissidents like myself, I cannot contemplate a return to the mainstream center-right, until they are able to get the left to promote their own Buckley.

    As long as ethnic and religious disparities continue, so will the tension of identity politics. The haze of the postwar consensus is in its death throes.

    The bad old men are coming back.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    They're not identical at all. Most of Spencer's points that I've ever heard are entirely rational and backed by robust arguments. Coates often lapses into blackademic word salad. I've read a few of his pieces and even where cogent, I can't really summarize what his position is. With Spencer, as I understand it, it's simple: separate land for whites.

    Think what you want of that but it's both coherent and backed by logical conclusions based on reams of data and libraries of written history. And maybe part of your screen name's charm is writing such things from the ostensible vantage point of the purest monoracial state on earth, but it does come off as a bit unseemly.

    , @jb
    The problem with Spencer is that he is not merely a white nationalist, he is a white separatist. That of course is a total non-starter, which is why the mainstream media loves him. What we need are white nationalists that the average white American can identify with. Such people already exist, but the MSM media is not at all interested in publicizing them

    Coates at least pretends that he isn't a black nationalist. It's a this pretense, but since the MSM is on his side it's good enough.
    , @Olorin
    I agree that one doesn't lead to the other. But it's not "the same thing."

    T. Genius Coates constantly signals that he wants to live among white people while getting money and status for hating them, claiming fragility, and projecting beta male sissiness. He comes across as a fraud who wants to blame whitey for his character.

    Richard Spencer admits wanting to live among white people. Loving them comes naturally to him, and those who victimize him for this simply offer him opportunities to assert his strength of character in standing firm.

    Coates comes across as a bloviating dimwit who hates his own skin and experience, and who chirps whatever his billionaire-foundation funders are throwing money at this year.

    (Do a bit of reading on the family history of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation--and how John D.'s hippie son Rod wrested the foundation from his parents' vision, then handed his leftist obsessions down to Rick, his son--who is BTW the president of Harper's Magazine. THAT is the sort of person who designates the Coateses of the world as "geniuses.")

    Spencer comes across as a rational, articulate, intelligent guy whether you agree with him or not on the specific issue of white separatism. But I've noticed that the whites who seem to disagree with him most fervently live and work in the most white-separatist spaces in the nation.

    Ditto the blacks. TN Coates, remember, bought a vast and posh $2+ million historic brownstone in Brooklyn earlier this year...then backed out of the sale claiming he didn't feel safe there. Weeks later had it relisted at $300,000 more than he paid for it--close to $2.4m IIRC.

    Now THAT's what I call easy money and gentrification.

    Daniel Greenfield had a nice piece on Coates's victimization minstrel show last spring:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262872/victimhood-black-millionaires-daniel-greenfield

    , @SMK
    Spencer and Coates are antipodes. And even more so, with Jared Taylor and other race realists and white advocates/identitarians. The latter are honest and realistic, comprehending and telling the truth about average negro intelligence, rampant black criminality, pandemic black-on-white violence, the invasion of tens of millions of legal and illegal aliens from the Third-World that will soon transform the U.S. into a nonwhite-majority country in which European-Americas will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority; the pernicious influence of Muslim immigration in Western Europe and, to a lesser degree, the United States and Canada, etc.

    Coates and his ilk are liars and psychotics. When Coates isn't lying, outright, as with many if not most of his anecdotes, he's delusional, completely impervious to and estranged from objective reality in his fantasies of systemic and ubiquitous white "racism" and black victimization.

    Finally, Spencer and Taylor and their allies want to conserve the historic white-majority country. Coates and a majority of blacks and "Hispanics" and white left-liberals and "truconservatives"/libertarians want to destroy it.

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  2. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Poor Ta-Nehisi Coates … he just doesn’t get it. He is utterly blind to how his own Black Nationalist identitarianism and racial grievance politics inexorably leads to Richard Spencer’s White Nationalist identitarianism:
     
    Well, it doesn't lead to it, it's just the same thing. Both are race-mongers, identically confused and misguided. You're right: if one is despised, so should be the other.

    i get that blacks don’t feel at home in a predominantly non-black country though, whether or no it is explicitly racist. People want to be round people who are like them. Spencer and Coates are the vanguard of where general sentiment in America is heading. Most blacks approve of Dindu Lives Matters. Most whites vote Republican(the implicitly rapidly becoming explicitly white party), and this trend intensified as Trump drew ALL classes of whites. Proximity + difference = conflict on a long enough time scale. What you view as a cause of ‘divisiveness’ is actually a symptom.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    People want to be round people who are like them.
     
    I don't know if this is true (it's not true for me), but if it is, assuming that 'being like me' translates into 'similar skin color' seems extremely weird...
    , @CCZ
    But, even for Ta-Nehisi and spouse, “people who are like them” also means, MONEY, even if they are mean white people. He sold “over safety,” but the expensive Brooklyn brownstone was no temple of African-American Black Nationalist architecture. Link to photographs below.

    Ta-Nehisi Coates Selling Brooklyn Brownstone Over Safety Concerns
    Jennifer Gould and Lorena Mongelli
    May 31, 2016
    New York Post

    Writer Ta-Nehisi Coates is selling the pricey Brooklyn brownstone he bought just last month — because The Post and other media outlets published his address (207 Lincoln Road, Brooklyn).

    The Prospect-Lefferts Gardens home has been put on the market for $2.395 million — $300,000 more than Coates paid for it in April, according to city property records.

    Coates, one of the country’s most prominent writers on race, said in a magazine article earlier this month that he couldn’t move into the home now because he would fear for his family’s safety.

    “You can’t really be a black writer in this country, take certain positions and not think about your personal safety,” the “Between the World and Me” author wrote.
     
    http://tour.vht.com/433382676/207-lincoln-road-brooklyn-ny-11225/photos
  3. Interesting how Ta-Nehisi Coates has avoided writing about this moment in racial history:

    On Sunday, June 30, 1974, church service was being held at historic Ebenezer Baptist Church. Mrs. Alberta King (the mother of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.) was acting as the church organist and had just finished playing “The Lord’s Prayer,” and all heads were bowed when a young black man identified as Marcus Wayne Chenault Jr., 21, yelled out “I’m taking over here.”

    Chenault then ran to the pulpit of the church and pulled out two guns. He emptied the pistols into Alberta King, Edward Boykin, and congregation member Jimmie Mitchell. As the congregation erupted in chaos, he ran from the church.

    Marcus Wayne Chenault Jr., died in August 1995 at a hospital in the Atlanta suburb of Riverdale. He was 44 and serving a life sentence at the state prison in Jackson, Ga., when he suffered a stroke.

    Mr. Chenault, the son of a middle-class black family in Dayton, Ohio, had just been welcomed to the church for a morning service when he rose from his seat in the front pew, drew two pistols and started firing.

    At his arraignment, Mr. Chenault told a magistrate that he had come to Atlanta “on a mission,” and said he decided months earlier that black ministers were a menace to black people and must be killed.

    He also told the police that his mission was to kill the Rev. Martin Luther King Sr., but he shot Mrs. King instead because she was close to him.

    Sources NY Times and

    http://rollingout.com/2015/02/05/forgotten-assassination-dr-kings-mother/

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    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    The fact that I have never before learned of this event says a lot about the anti-White bias among those who control the dissemination of information in the United States.

    Non-White crime is covered up -- historically significant non-White crime even more so. This is done to protect the pre-determined conclusion that Whites of Christian European descent are the most guilty of common human sins. This is done to protect The Big Lie of non-Christian people of at-least-partly non-European descent who live among us. They control the discussion.

    Coates and our outgoing president are hateful racists. Most of those who control discourse in our country are the same, though they enjoy quiet camouflage inside our UNIQUELY TOLERANT society.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS. Enjoy this American holiday, no matter what your religion, because this is a simple, winter holiday that is traditionally enjoyed in America by Americans of all kinds.

    , @Bobzilla

    Chenault then ran to the pulpit of the church and pulled out two guns. He emptied the pistols into Alberta King, Edward Boykin, and congregation member Jimmie Mitchell.

     

    Thanks for bringing this up. Rather timely and relevant given the recent sentencing of Dylan Roof. While Marcus Chenault is mentioned in Alberta King's Wikipedia entry, I found it odd that Chenault had no entry of his own.
  4. “It was the feeling that this particular black family, the Obamas, represented the best of black people, the ultimate credit to the race, incomparable in elegance and bearing.”

    I never had that feeling once. Bearing? Think Obama, going Ghetto on the trail for Hillary, losing every state he spoke in, not necessarily on his own. Did Hillary win any in which he spoke? Oh, he was full-on Ghetto talking to the Blacks as if the Whites weren’t watching? Gave me the heebie-jeebies. Bearing? Elegance? Think Obama and his bicycles, Michelle and her complaining and whining, even as she vacuumed up the percs and took ALL the vacations she could. Elegance? Think muscular, fat-ass, garden-variety hoochie-coohie Michelle on Oprah, complaining about her own slavery in being First Lady. Rappers in the White House, supporting thugs who killed cops, the Black Baby-Mamas who mothered criminals that got shot by cops. Because when I think elegance, grace, beauty, class, bearing or any other platitudes, oh YEAH! I think Obama. Did they really think THEY were only watching themselves? Did they not think to think WE also were watching and were repelled? Did the press really THINK Trump voters by the tens of millions weren’t watching? Man, that’s arrogant!

    By the way, the Atlantic is a piece of shit, read by fewer than one percent, Coates is a fucking retard that only speaks to his own kind (although I doubt even 5% of Blacks ever heard of him, either). What’s the hub-bub with The Atlantic and Coates? Oprah and her daily racist horseshit ought to be more like the grist for public milling.

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    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
    Well that's over the top.
    , @Jefferson
    "By the way, the Atlantic is a piece of shit, read by fewer than one percent, Coates is a fucking retard that only speaks to his own kind (although I doubt even 5% of Blacks ever heard of him, either)."

    People on the Right often joke that the majority of Ta-Nehisi Coates biggest fans are actually White liberals not other Blacks.
    , @Connecticut Famer
    The Atlantic used to be a good, middle-to-highbrow magazine. Now it's in the toilet. Why? Genius T. Coates is Exhibit One. As something of an aside it's amusing, if pathetic, to observe well-heeled, Ivy-educated whites kiss up to people like Genius Coates, assuaging their collective consciences, all the while simultaneously engaging in such as wholesale gentrification of formerly poor neighborhoods and sending the former inhabitants elsewhere with Section-8 vouchers (Steve S. has written elsewhere about this phenomenon).
    , @gustafus
    If Barry and Michael are the best they have to offer.. they are in more trouble than we thought.

    It does appear that Putin does not share many American's appreciation for melanin as an arbiter of achievement.

    Barry is and was affirmative action cliche. The defiant upturned chin and rising intonation betrayed the "homey" in Obomy.

    Yet Americans, so proud of "how far we've come" ...made excuses for the black faced emperor dressed only in a hoodie.

    He will embarrass us and himself in the coming months, unless somebody takes him aside and persuades him to retreat to the canopy.
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    I suspect the title is more important than the content in this case. Saying it to try to make it true.

    Obama self-identifies as black, and many black groups want to count him as one of theirs, especially right now near the end of his term. But it’s not at all clear that he’ll be remembered as black in a few centuries. There’s just too many reasons to call him mixed, bi-racial, mulatto, non-white, or even Irish-American.

    The title is a nice try… but I’m not at all sure that it’ll work.

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    • Replies: @Richard Whitney
    In black neighborhoods, children of mixed parents are called 'half-breed'. Even light-skinned blacks with two black parents are called 'half-breed'. So the mulatto Jimmy Carter is a half-breed by their standards.
  6. @Lemurmaniac
    i get that blacks don't feel at home in a predominantly non-black country though, whether or no it is explicitly racist. People want to be round people who are like them. Spencer and Coates are the vanguard of where general sentiment in America is heading. Most blacks approve of Dindu Lives Matters. Most whites vote Republican(the implicitly rapidly becoming explicitly white party), and this trend intensified as Trump drew ALL classes of whites. Proximity + difference = conflict on a long enough time scale. What you view as a cause of 'divisiveness' is actually a symptom.

    People want to be round people who are like them.

    I don’t know if this is true (it’s not true for me), but if it is, assuming that ‘being like me’ translates into ‘similar skin color’ seems extremely weird…

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    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Where do you think "diversity" comes from?
    , @D. K.
    It has been demonstrated by both (a) virtually the entirety of the social sciences, and (b) virtually the entirety of human history; but, yes, aside from those remote indices, it obviously remains an entirely open question....
    , @Lemurmaniac
    The modern man has degenerated to a place in which he thinks he can form himself apart from higher principle and superordinate structures. In a traditional society you wouldn't even have standing.

    The individual produced by the modern liberal world pays lip service to diversity, but this is an appeal to distinction without difference. Perhaps you like black metal and your friends like indie rock. My god you special snowflake.

    Social liberals like being around other social liberals. Why? Because that is the idea they have in common mediating their identities - or more accurately degrading and negating them.
    , @Wally
    Is that why limousine leftists live as far away from blacks & browns as possible?
    , @Wally
    I see your Chinese name.

    Ever wonder why Chinese enclaves outside of China are usually referred to as 'China Town'?

    How about those Indians / Hawaiians Only reservations?

    'Similar skin colors' indeed.

    , @Harold
    If you had a strong position you wouldn’t have to use such rhetorical tricks as making your opponent’s arguments sound inherently ridiculous by equating race with skin colour.
  7. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    You, I find it funny that liberals will often say that white nationalists should never “take credit for other people’s work” yet I wonder how many of them will make fun of Coates for taking credit for Obama and saying it was “a credit to the race”.

    This searing hypocrisy is one of many symptoms of the left’s intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

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    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    " This searing hypocrisy is one of the many symptoms of the Left's intellectual and moral bankruptcy".

    True however they don't sense any contradiction within this depraved mindset, rather they consider it a normal mental stance for an "Intellectual", meaning you can never approach them with this issue as they simply do not give a shit as to whether non-leftists see them as Hypocrites or not, their bottom line axiom being : " Don't do as I do , do as I say".

    Perfect example being all of the multi-culti liberals sending their kids to private all-white schools.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
  8. Sounds like a glorified “f%ck whitey” party. And on the white house lawn no less!! No doubt the media was tickled pink over this display of black racial pride.

    In “free and equal” America radical blacks aren’t subjected to punitive measures for expressing racial pride and viewing current events through the prism of race like Richard Spencer and other alt-rightists and white nationalists are for adopting a pro-white perspective. It might have a thing or two to do with Hebrew power and influence.

    Obama was never forced to disavow black nationalism but Trump, after endless media hectoring, finally disavowed the alt-right and any white person who doesn’t hate themselves. Order has been partially restored and the hateful gods of multiculturalism are smiling again. This disavowal came from a man (Trump) who pleaded with blacks to vote for him so he could be their champion.

    Ta Nehisi is one of those hypocritical blacks who are so revolted by imaginary white racism that he fled one majority white devil country (America) for a country with an even larger white devil majority (France). This is just like Obama’s minister Jeremiah Wright who currently resides in a neighborhood of 95% white devils. And Obama himself will live in a wealthy neighborhood full of white devils upon leaving office.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "And Obama himself will live in a wealthy neighborhood full of white devils upon leaving office."

    When Barack Hussein Obama leaves The White House he sure as hell is not moving to nearby majority Black PG County.
  9. @Mao Cheng Ji

    People want to be round people who are like them.
     
    I don't know if this is true (it's not true for me), but if it is, assuming that 'being like me' translates into 'similar skin color' seems extremely weird...

    Where do you think “diversity” comes from?

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  10. Could someone pls moderate these comments?

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    • Replies: @nabucco
    Why?
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Most people know and understand that The Unz Review is a free speech website. The website itself proudly proclaims that fact. Which part of "free speech" is too complicated for you to grasp?
  11. @Mao Cheng Ji

    People want to be round people who are like them.
     
    I don't know if this is true (it's not true for me), but if it is, assuming that 'being like me' translates into 'similar skin color' seems extremely weird...

    It has been demonstrated by both (a) virtually the entirety of the social sciences, and (b) virtually the entirety of human history; but, yes, aside from those remote indices, it obviously remains an entirely open question….

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    You're entitled to your opinion. And, I suppose, to your own sciences and history, why not.
  12. This is just pathetic

    I had never seen so many white people cheer on a black man who was neither an athlete nor an entertainer. And it seemed that they loved him for this, and I thought in those days, which now feel so long ago, that they might then love me, too, and love my wife, and love my child, and love us all in the manner that the God they so fervently cited had commanded.

    There are no higher principles or ideals here. Just me and muh feeling and all the mean white people. What a sad sad man.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    His made up name always makes me think of nehi sodas. He wrote an article for The Atlantic rejoicing that OJ killed 2 White people and got away with it

    He's incredibly ugly as well. The Atlantic is a parody of Jewish Anti White liberalism.
  13. @D. K.
    It has been demonstrated by both (a) virtually the entirety of the social sciences, and (b) virtually the entirety of human history; but, yes, aside from those remote indices, it obviously remains an entirely open question....

    You’re entitled to your opinion. And, I suppose, to your own sciences and history, why not.

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    • Replies: @D. K.
    That is damn white of you, Mao! I only know what I have lived, observed, or otherwise learned, over the previous six decades (although, to be perfectly honest, my personal memories, as far as what have been verified and dated, by my elders, only stretch back to the Fourth of July in 1959), including my formal education in History (B.A.) and the Social Sciences (M.S., in Personality & Social Psychology), inter alia (i.e., a J.D., in Law, and an M.B.A., with dual concentrations within the area of Management & Organization), during my ill-spent youth. How about you?
  14. @Mao Cheng Ji
    You're entitled to your opinion. And, I suppose, to your own sciences and history, why not.

    That is damn white of you, Mao! I only know what I have lived, observed, or otherwise learned, over the previous six decades (although, to be perfectly honest, my personal memories, as far as what have been verified and dated, by my elders, only stretch back to the Fourth of July in 1959), including my formal education in History (B.A.) and the Social Sciences (M.S., in Personality & Social Psychology), inter alia (i.e., a J.D., in Law, and an M.B.A., with dual concentrations within the area of Management & Organization), during my ill-spent youth. How about you?

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    Not much bookish liberal education here, but I have lived in 4 different countries (for many years each), some with different political and socioeconomic systems. Often in radically multi-cultural environments (with people from many different parts of the world). So, I speak from my life experience, and I'm telling you that your skin color doesn't concern me at all. YMMV, and, like I said, I accept that.
    , @Anonymous

    including my formal education in History (B.A.) and the Social Sciences (M.S., in Personality & Social Psychology), inter alia (i.e., a J.D., in Law, and an M.B.A., with dual concentrations within the area of Management & Organization), during my ill-spent youth. How about you?
     
    Ah .... dicksizing... equally enjoyed by educated and uneducated alike.
    , @Wally
    That's damn ghetto black of you.

    Social "Sciences"?
    Don't make me laugh, there is no science in social.

    You're a pretender wannabe.

    BTW, Hillary lost.
  15. @Mao Cheng Ji

    People want to be round people who are like them.
     
    I don't know if this is true (it's not true for me), but if it is, assuming that 'being like me' translates into 'similar skin color' seems extremely weird...

    The modern man has degenerated to a place in which he thinks he can form himself apart from higher principle and superordinate structures. In a traditional society you wouldn’t even have standing.

    The individual produced by the modern liberal world pays lip service to diversity, but this is an appeal to distinction without difference. Perhaps you like black metal and your friends like indie rock. My god you special snowflake.

    Social liberals like being around other social liberals. Why? Because that is the idea they have in common mediating their identities – or more accurately degrading and negating them.

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  16. “For most African Americans, white people exist either as a direct or an indirect force for bad in their lives.”

    After laughing out loud as a result of reading that humdinger, I recalled hearing that this imbecile moved from the United States to another, whiter, country.

    If I wrote for the Atlantic, or worked for them in any other capacity, I would be embarrassed by Coates. His content is ridiculous, which leads me to wonder what his articles look like before being corrected by someone else.

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    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    He lived in France for a year or so, and said he found the French language difficult.
    , @Clyde

    “For most African Americans, white people exist either as a direct or an indirect force for bad in their lives.”
     
    Then why the heck does he not move his family to the best African nation he can find. No whites to bug him and hold him back. What confused Ta-Nisi Coates actually did was to spend the past year living in Paris w his family as kind of a sabbatical. He had his $600,000 in MacArthur money to do this.
  17. @Jim Christian

    “It was the feeling that this particular black family, the Obamas, represented the best of black people, the ultimate credit to the race, incomparable in elegance and bearing.”
     

    I never had that feeling once. Bearing? Think Obama, going Ghetto on the trail for Hillary, losing every state he spoke in, not necessarily on his own. Did Hillary win any in which he spoke? Oh, he was full-on Ghetto talking to the Blacks as if the Whites weren't watching? Gave me the heebie-jeebies. Bearing? Elegance? Think Obama and his bicycles, Michelle and her complaining and whining, even as she vacuumed up the percs and took ALL the vacations she could. Elegance? Think muscular, fat-ass, garden-variety hoochie-coohie Michelle on Oprah, complaining about her own slavery in being First Lady. Rappers in the White House, supporting thugs who killed cops, the Black Baby-Mamas who mothered criminals that got shot by cops. Because when I think elegance, grace, beauty, class, bearing or any other platitudes, oh YEAH! I think Obama. Did they really think THEY were only watching themselves? Did they not think to think WE also were watching and were repelled? Did the press really THINK Trump voters by the tens of millions weren't watching? Man, that's arrogant!

    By the way, the Atlantic is a piece of shit, read by fewer than one percent, Coates is a fucking retard that only speaks to his own kind (although I doubt even 5% of Blacks ever heard of him, either). What's the hub-bub with The Atlantic and Coates? Oprah and her daily racist horseshit ought to be more like the grist for public milling.

    Well that’s over the top.

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  18. “Obama self-identifies as black, and many black groups want to count him as one of theirs … But it’s not at all clear that he’ll be remembered as black in a few centuries.”

    Certainly not the first “Black” President. I recall that was Bill Clinton.

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  19. @Stealth

    “For most African Americans, white people exist either as a direct or an indirect force for bad in their lives.”
     
    After laughing out loud as a result of reading that humdinger, I recalled hearing that this imbecile moved from the United States to another, whiter, country.

    If I wrote for the Atlantic, or worked for them in any other capacity, I would be embarrassed by Coates. His content is ridiculous, which leads me to wonder what his articles look like before being corrected by someone else.

    He lived in France for a year or so, and said he found the French language difficult.

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  20. @Lemurmaniac
    i get that blacks don't feel at home in a predominantly non-black country though, whether or no it is explicitly racist. People want to be round people who are like them. Spencer and Coates are the vanguard of where general sentiment in America is heading. Most blacks approve of Dindu Lives Matters. Most whites vote Republican(the implicitly rapidly becoming explicitly white party), and this trend intensified as Trump drew ALL classes of whites. Proximity + difference = conflict on a long enough time scale. What you view as a cause of 'divisiveness' is actually a symptom.

    But, even for Ta-Nehisi and spouse, “people who are like them” also means, MONEY, even if they are mean white people. He sold “over safety,” but the expensive Brooklyn brownstone was no temple of African-American Black Nationalist architecture. Link to photographs below.

    Ta-Nehisi Coates Selling Brooklyn Brownstone Over Safety Concerns
    Jennifer Gould and Lorena Mongelli
    May 31, 2016
    New York Post

    Writer Ta-Nehisi Coates is selling the pricey Brooklyn brownstone he bought just last month — because The Post and other media outlets published his address (207 Lincoln Road, Brooklyn).

    The Prospect-Lefferts Gardens home has been put on the market for $2.395 million — $300,000 more than Coates paid for it in April, according to city property records.

    Coates, one of the country’s most prominent writers on race, said in a magazine article earlier this month that he couldn’t move into the home now because he would fear for his family’s safety.

    “You can’t really be a black writer in this country, take certain positions and not think about your personal safety,” the “Between the World and Me” author wrote.

    http://tour.vht.com/433382676/207-lincoln-road-brooklyn-ny-11225/photos

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  21. Either way, Barack Obama embodied and practiced political thought that came from white minds without even the slightest modification or addition. A black leader in touch with his heritage should at least question whether or not the ways of European are appropriate for his own people, and act accordingly.

    Coates’ commentary relies solely on Obama’s appearance and Racism!, rendering his thoughts shallow and pointless — perfect for the white cat ladies who consume his work.

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  22. @D. K.
    That is damn white of you, Mao! I only know what I have lived, observed, or otherwise learned, over the previous six decades (although, to be perfectly honest, my personal memories, as far as what have been verified and dated, by my elders, only stretch back to the Fourth of July in 1959), including my formal education in History (B.A.) and the Social Sciences (M.S., in Personality & Social Psychology), inter alia (i.e., a J.D., in Law, and an M.B.A., with dual concentrations within the area of Management & Organization), during my ill-spent youth. How about you?

    Not much bookish liberal education here, but I have lived in 4 different countries (for many years each), some with different political and socioeconomic systems. Often in radically multi-cultural environments (with people from many different parts of the world). So, I speak from my life experience, and I’m telling you that your skin color doesn’t concern me at all. YMMV, and, like I said, I accept that.

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    Wager that you didn't live in Japan, which is roughly ca.97-98% racially/ethnically Japanese, and few non-Japanese residents.

    D.K. is correct: Most people in the world prefer to live in close proximity among people who are like them (from a racial and/or ethnic standpoint).

    If it is ok for Coates to be publicly celebrated, it should also be fine for Spencer to be celebrated in much the same manner from a public intellectual standpoint.

  23. @Anon
    You, I find it funny that liberals will often say that white nationalists should never "take credit for other people's work" yet I wonder how many of them will make fun of Coates for taking credit for Obama and saying it was "a credit to the race".

    This searing hypocrisy is one of many symptoms of the left's intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

    ” This searing hypocrisy is one of the many symptoms of the Left’s intellectual and moral bankruptcy”.

    True however they don’t sense any contradiction within this depraved mindset, rather they consider it a normal mental stance for an “Intellectual”, meaning you can never approach them with this issue as they simply do not give a shit as to whether non-leftists see them as Hypocrites or not, their bottom line axiom being : ” Don’t do as I do , do as I say”.

    Perfect example being all of the multi-culti liberals sending their kids to private all-white schools.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  24. If you have a good 45 minutes to waste on a long-winded Ta-Nehisi Coates think piece navel-gazing over his blackness in the final days of Black Run America (BRA), you will not want to miss “My President Was Black”:

    Apparently you did, Old Sport.

    Ron, who are these new clowns you have writing for the site? Are they paying you?

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  25. @Truth

    If you have a good 45 minutes to waste on a long-winded Ta-Nehisi Coates think piece navel-gazing over his blackness in the final days of Black Run America (BRA), you will not want to miss “My President Was Black”:
     
    Apparently you did, Old Sport.

    Ron, who are these new clowns you have writing for the site? Are they paying you?

    Fo shizzle he did……

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  26. @Jim Christian

    “It was the feeling that this particular black family, the Obamas, represented the best of black people, the ultimate credit to the race, incomparable in elegance and bearing.”
     

    I never had that feeling once. Bearing? Think Obama, going Ghetto on the trail for Hillary, losing every state he spoke in, not necessarily on his own. Did Hillary win any in which he spoke? Oh, he was full-on Ghetto talking to the Blacks as if the Whites weren't watching? Gave me the heebie-jeebies. Bearing? Elegance? Think Obama and his bicycles, Michelle and her complaining and whining, even as she vacuumed up the percs and took ALL the vacations she could. Elegance? Think muscular, fat-ass, garden-variety hoochie-coohie Michelle on Oprah, complaining about her own slavery in being First Lady. Rappers in the White House, supporting thugs who killed cops, the Black Baby-Mamas who mothered criminals that got shot by cops. Because when I think elegance, grace, beauty, class, bearing or any other platitudes, oh YEAH! I think Obama. Did they really think THEY were only watching themselves? Did they not think to think WE also were watching and were repelled? Did the press really THINK Trump voters by the tens of millions weren't watching? Man, that's arrogant!

    By the way, the Atlantic is a piece of shit, read by fewer than one percent, Coates is a fucking retard that only speaks to his own kind (although I doubt even 5% of Blacks ever heard of him, either). What's the hub-bub with The Atlantic and Coates? Oprah and her daily racist horseshit ought to be more like the grist for public milling.

    “By the way, the Atlantic is a piece of shit, read by fewer than one percent, Coates is a fucking retard that only speaks to his own kind (although I doubt even 5% of Blacks ever heard of him, either).”

    People on the Right often joke that the majority of Ta-Nehisi Coates biggest fans are actually White liberals not other Blacks.

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  27. @KenH
    Sounds like a glorified "f%ck whitey" party. And on the white house lawn no less!! No doubt the media was tickled pink over this display of black racial pride.

    In "free and equal" America radical blacks aren't subjected to punitive measures for expressing racial pride and viewing current events through the prism of race like Richard Spencer and other alt-rightists and white nationalists are for adopting a pro-white perspective. It might have a thing or two to do with Hebrew power and influence.

    Obama was never forced to disavow black nationalism but Trump, after endless media hectoring, finally disavowed the alt-right and any white person who doesn't hate themselves. Order has been partially restored and the hateful gods of multiculturalism are smiling again. This disavowal came from a man (Trump) who pleaded with blacks to vote for him so he could be their champion.

    Ta Nehisi is one of those hypocritical blacks who are so revolted by imaginary white racism that he fled one majority white devil country (America) for a country with an even larger white devil majority (France). This is just like Obama's minister Jeremiah Wright who currently resides in a neighborhood of 95% white devils. And Obama himself will live in a wealthy neighborhood full of white devils upon leaving office.

    “And Obama himself will live in a wealthy neighborhood full of white devils upon leaving office.”

    When Barack Hussein Obama leaves The White House he sure as hell is not moving to nearby majority Black PG County.

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    @D. K.
    That is damn white of you, Mao! I only know what I have lived, observed, or otherwise learned, over the previous six decades (although, to be perfectly honest, my personal memories, as far as what have been verified and dated, by my elders, only stretch back to the Fourth of July in 1959), including my formal education in History (B.A.) and the Social Sciences (M.S., in Personality & Social Psychology), inter alia (i.e., a J.D., in Law, and an M.B.A., with dual concentrations within the area of Management & Organization), during my ill-spent youth. How about you?

    including my formal education in History (B.A.) and the Social Sciences (M.S., in Personality & Social Psychology), inter alia (i.e., a J.D., in Law, and an M.B.A., with dual concentrations within the area of Management & Organization), during my ill-spent youth. How about you?

    Ah …. dicksizing… equally enjoyed by educated and uneducated alike.

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    . . . circa 7 inches, when it needs to be; much shorter, otherwise. Anything else...?
  29. @Stealth

    “For most African Americans, white people exist either as a direct or an indirect force for bad in their lives.”
     
    After laughing out loud as a result of reading that humdinger, I recalled hearing that this imbecile moved from the United States to another, whiter, country.

    If I wrote for the Atlantic, or worked for them in any other capacity, I would be embarrassed by Coates. His content is ridiculous, which leads me to wonder what his articles look like before being corrected by someone else.

    “For most African Americans, white people exist either as a direct or an indirect force for bad in their lives.”

    Then why the heck does he not move his family to the best African nation he can find. No whites to bug him and hold him back. What confused Ta-Nisi Coates actually did was to spend the past year living in Paris w his family as kind of a sabbatical. He had his $600,000 in MacArthur money to do this.

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  30. I’m sitting here wondering why Ta-Nehisi Coates is considered legitimate and is a celebrated public intellectual, but Richard Spencer is demonized as a hateful extremist.

    What would they say if a White musician was on the South Lawn of the White House leading an overwhelmingly White crowd in a call-and-response: “Say it loud, I’m White and I’m proud.” Hell, we all know that would be a “story about race in America,” wouldn’t it? That would be a story about “hate” or something.

    Even better, what would happen if White “racists” went after Ta’s MOTHER and tried to shake her down and run her out of town?

    Would the media go after the blacks who stood up for her and side with the extortionists? I suppose not.

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  31. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Poor Ta-Nehisi Coates … he just doesn’t get it. He is utterly blind to how his own Black Nationalist identitarianism and racial grievance politics inexorably leads to Richard Spencer’s White Nationalist identitarianism:
     
    Well, it doesn't lead to it, it's just the same thing. Both are race-mongers, identically confused and misguided. You're right: if one is despised, so should be the other.

    Conservatism Inc. has failed to morally shame the left into abandoning identity politics. And thus, they lost their role as gatekeepers for the Right.

    Leftists see no immediate self-interest in stopping the demographic invasion, and they see no moral principle in supporting anything that is good for the West’s Ancien Regime.

    For dissidents like myself, I cannot contemplate a return to the mainstream center-right, until they are able to get the left to promote their own Buckley.

    As long as ethnic and religious disparities continue, so will the tension of identity politics. The haze of the postwar consensus is in its death throes.

    The bad old men are coming back.

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    There's no 'left' (that's a thing from the 20th century), and there's definitely no place for any "moral principles" in any of this. This is politics, a way of organizing masses around simple (no matter how meaningless) concepts. Skin pigmentation is one of these concepts.

    The way I see it, so far the essence of the 21st century politics has been about one thing only: pro- vs anti-globalism. This Coates guy is worshiping Obama for his skin pigmentation, which sounds incredibly stupid, but in the end he's essentially just a garden-variety demagogue for the pro-neoliberal, pro-globalization side.
  32. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4057906/Verdict-expected-case-American-woman-slain-Florence.html

    Looks like white women feel ‘my god is afro-dong.’

    Even though black men are known to be wild and violent, white women just gotta worship the negro dong even at the risk of life & limb and the disgrace of cheating on white husband/boyfriend.

    This is globalism. it is what the EU elites promote as ‘liberal western values’.

    The West will be destroyed by white worship of the afro-dong. Sounds ridiculous, but when people are reduced to trashy jungle-hedonists, this is what they live for and die for.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Looks like white women feel ‘my god is afro-dong.’

    Even though black men are known to be wild and violent, white women just gotta worship the negro dong even at the risk of life & limb and the disgrace of cheating on white husband/boyfriend.

    This is globalism. it is what the EU elites promote as ‘liberal western values’.

    The West will be destroyed by white worship of the afro-dong. Sounds ridiculous, but when people are reduced to trashy jungle-hedonists, this is what they live for and die for."

    Anon you cuck the vast majority of White women do not prefer Black men.
  33. Obama was just a tool to re-colonise Africa. !
    Africans are so smitten with this ‘son of Africa made good’, they dont even know it while being penetrated. !
    hehehehe

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-son-of-africa-claims-a-continents-crown-jewels

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  34. Have we ever seen as fine a behind-the-curtain, Wizard of Oz act, as performed by Barack Obama for the past eight years? Lyndon Johnson did more for blacks with a stroke of the pen (and the sacrifice of his own Democratic Party in the South) than Obama has done in 8 years.

    http://robertmagill.wordpress.com

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  35. Well, the writing of Coates is so poor, it is only appealing to that portion of Jewish people who want punish ‘white people’, and to their stupid followers among people with European descent.

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  36. @Mao Cheng Ji
    Not much bookish liberal education here, but I have lived in 4 different countries (for many years each), some with different political and socioeconomic systems. Often in radically multi-cultural environments (with people from many different parts of the world). So, I speak from my life experience, and I'm telling you that your skin color doesn't concern me at all. YMMV, and, like I said, I accept that.

    Wager that you didn’t live in Japan, which is roughly ca.97-98% racially/ethnically Japanese, and few non-Japanese residents.

    D.K. is correct: Most people in the world prefer to live in close proximity among people who are like them (from a racial and/or ethnic standpoint).

    If it is ok for Coates to be publicly celebrated, it should also be fine for Spencer to be celebrated in much the same manner from a public intellectual standpoint.

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    Well, if you really believe that the (alleged) Japanese ethnic homogeneity somehow proves your assertion that "most people in the world prefer to live in close proximity among people who are like them (from a racial and/or ethnic standpoint)", then logic is obviously is not your strong suit. And since we are not in the realm of logic here, I completely trust you that this is your strong gut-feeling. But then my own gut-feeling is quite the opposite: I don't believe for a moment that most people care about the skin color of their neighbors.

    But I see you're also trying switch from the skin color (which is what I said was weird to pay attention to) to ethnicity? Part of 'ethnicity' is culture, and yes, I agree that most people feel comfortable in their own (or similar) cultural environment - but that's different.
  37. @Anonymous
    I suspect the title is more important than the content in this case. Saying it to try to make it true.

    Obama self-identifies as black, and many black groups want to count him as one of theirs, especially right now near the end of his term. But it's not at all clear that he'll be remembered as black in a few centuries. There's just too many reasons to call him mixed, bi-racial, mulatto, non-white, or even Irish-American.

    The title is a nice try... but I'm not at all sure that it'll work.

    In black neighborhoods, children of mixed parents are called ‘half-breed’. Even light-skinned blacks with two black parents are called ‘half-breed’. So the mulatto Jimmy Carter is a half-breed by their standards.

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  38. @Maj. Kong
    Conservatism Inc. has failed to morally shame the left into abandoning identity politics. And thus, they lost their role as gatekeepers for the Right.

    Leftists see no immediate self-interest in stopping the demographic invasion, and they see no moral principle in supporting anything that is good for the West's Ancien Regime.

    For dissidents like myself, I cannot contemplate a return to the mainstream center-right, until they are able to get the left to promote their own Buckley.

    As long as ethnic and religious disparities continue, so will the tension of identity politics. The haze of the postwar consensus is in its death throes.

    The bad old men are coming back.

    There’s no ‘left’ (that’s a thing from the 20th century), and there’s definitely no place for any “moral principles” in any of this. This is politics, a way of organizing masses around simple (no matter how meaningless) concepts. Skin pigmentation is one of these concepts.

    The way I see it, so far the essence of the 21st century politics has been about one thing only: pro- vs anti-globalism. This Coates guy is worshiping Obama for his skin pigmentation, which sounds incredibly stupid, but in the end he’s essentially just a garden-variety demagogue for the pro-neoliberal, pro-globalization side.

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  39. I can hardly believe that anybody takes this mumbling jive ass seriously. Another example of the left propping up a nobody and pretending he is a “great artist” or whatever. Ho hum.

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    " Another example of the Left proping up a nobody and pretending he is a "Great Artist" or whatever"
    Brilliant observation, and they do this with untold numbers of talentless charlatans as long as they spout off leftist platitudes, starting with B Springsteen, Madonna, Cher, J Baez, the screamer B Streisand, etc etc.,
    And then we have the horrid L Dunham, the absolute epitome of everything that has gone wrong with society as of today.
    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
  40. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Wager that you didn't live in Japan, which is roughly ca.97-98% racially/ethnically Japanese, and few non-Japanese residents.

    D.K. is correct: Most people in the world prefer to live in close proximity among people who are like them (from a racial and/or ethnic standpoint).

    If it is ok for Coates to be publicly celebrated, it should also be fine for Spencer to be celebrated in much the same manner from a public intellectual standpoint.

    Well, if you really believe that the (alleged) Japanese ethnic homogeneity somehow proves your assertion that “most people in the world prefer to live in close proximity among people who are like them (from a racial and/or ethnic standpoint)“, then logic is obviously is not your strong suit. And since we are not in the realm of logic here, I completely trust you that this is your strong gut-feeling. But then my own gut-feeling is quite the opposite: I don’t believe for a moment that most people care about the skin color of their neighbors.

    But I see you’re also trying switch from the skin color (which is what I said was weird to pay attention to) to ethnicity? Part of ‘ethnicity’ is culture, and yes, I agree that most people feel comfortable in their own (or similar) cultural environment – but that’s different.

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    I see. So when we Chinese say things like "[sacrifice] for your country, race and blood" - 民族, we actually mean something besides country, race and blood? Come on. By your name, I assume you're Asian, so its really weird by some of your assumptions. Sure, we're not all of the same and of course there's subdivisions, but that appeal to action wouldn't work if it didn't resonate and it resonates because we clearly have some faith that the Han heritage implies unique bonds.

    And its far from outdated, it was just invoked less than a few months ago among Huawei executive meetings. And we continue to say this, in spite of the fact that you know the Party would rather we alter it to "for the Party."

  41. Trump expresses white pride by just standing up and speaking…he’s accomplished and so are his children. He and his family are everything black people should aspire to be.

    Instead, most blacks tether themselves to government largess and wallow in dysfunction.

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  42. @Jim Christian

    “It was the feeling that this particular black family, the Obamas, represented the best of black people, the ultimate credit to the race, incomparable in elegance and bearing.”
     

    I never had that feeling once. Bearing? Think Obama, going Ghetto on the trail for Hillary, losing every state he spoke in, not necessarily on his own. Did Hillary win any in which he spoke? Oh, he was full-on Ghetto talking to the Blacks as if the Whites weren't watching? Gave me the heebie-jeebies. Bearing? Elegance? Think Obama and his bicycles, Michelle and her complaining and whining, even as she vacuumed up the percs and took ALL the vacations she could. Elegance? Think muscular, fat-ass, garden-variety hoochie-coohie Michelle on Oprah, complaining about her own slavery in being First Lady. Rappers in the White House, supporting thugs who killed cops, the Black Baby-Mamas who mothered criminals that got shot by cops. Because when I think elegance, grace, beauty, class, bearing or any other platitudes, oh YEAH! I think Obama. Did they really think THEY were only watching themselves? Did they not think to think WE also were watching and were repelled? Did the press really THINK Trump voters by the tens of millions weren't watching? Man, that's arrogant!

    By the way, the Atlantic is a piece of shit, read by fewer than one percent, Coates is a fucking retard that only speaks to his own kind (although I doubt even 5% of Blacks ever heard of him, either). What's the hub-bub with The Atlantic and Coates? Oprah and her daily racist horseshit ought to be more like the grist for public milling.

    The Atlantic used to be a good, middle-to-highbrow magazine. Now it’s in the toilet. Why? Genius T. Coates is Exhibit One. As something of an aside it’s amusing, if pathetic, to observe well-heeled, Ivy-educated whites kiss up to people like Genius Coates, assuaging their collective consciences, all the while simultaneously engaging in such as wholesale gentrification of formerly poor neighborhoods and sending the former inhabitants elsewhere with Section-8 vouchers (Steve S. has written elsewhere about this phenomenon).

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  43. This is the closest this thick skulled Negroid has ever come to ever speaking the truth. He’s only off by about 25 days or so; then “was” will be operative.

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  44. @CCZ
    Interesting how Ta-Nehisi Coates has avoided writing about this moment in racial history:

    On Sunday, June 30, 1974, church service was being held at historic Ebenezer Baptist Church. Mrs. Alberta King (the mother of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.) was acting as the church organist and had just finished playing “The Lord’s Prayer,” and all heads were bowed when a young black man identified as Marcus Wayne Chenault Jr., 21, yelled out “I’m taking over here.”

    Chenault then ran to the pulpit of the church and pulled out two guns. He emptied the pistols into Alberta King, Edward Boykin, and congregation member Jimmie Mitchell. As the congregation erupted in chaos, he ran from the church.

    Marcus Wayne Chenault Jr., died in August 1995 at a hospital in the Atlanta suburb of Riverdale. He was 44 and serving a life sentence at the state prison in Jackson, Ga., when he suffered a stroke.

    Mr. Chenault, the son of a middle-class black family in Dayton, Ohio, had just been welcomed to the church for a morning service when he rose from his seat in the front pew, drew two pistols and started firing.

    At his arraignment, Mr. Chenault told a magistrate that he had come to Atlanta "on a mission," and said he decided months earlier that black ministers were a menace to black people and must be killed.

    He also told the police that his mission was to kill the Rev. Martin Luther King Sr., but he shot Mrs. King instead because she was close to him.

    Sources NY Times and
    http://rollingout.com/2015/02/05/forgotten-assassination-dr-kings-mother/

     

    The fact that I have never before learned of this event says a lot about the anti-White bias among those who control the dissemination of information in the United States.

    Non-White crime is covered up — historically significant non-White crime even more so. This is done to protect the pre-determined conclusion that Whites of Christian European descent are the most guilty of common human sins. This is done to protect The Big Lie of non-Christian people of at-least-partly non-European descent who live among us. They control the discussion.

    Coates and our outgoing president are hateful racists. Most of those who control discourse in our country are the same, though they enjoy quiet camouflage inside our UNIQUELY TOLERANT society.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS. Enjoy this American holiday, no matter what your religion, because this is a simple, winter holiday that is traditionally enjoyed in America by Americans of all kinds.

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  45. @Mao Cheng Ji
    Well, if you really believe that the (alleged) Japanese ethnic homogeneity somehow proves your assertion that "most people in the world prefer to live in close proximity among people who are like them (from a racial and/or ethnic standpoint)", then logic is obviously is not your strong suit. And since we are not in the realm of logic here, I completely trust you that this is your strong gut-feeling. But then my own gut-feeling is quite the opposite: I don't believe for a moment that most people care about the skin color of their neighbors.

    But I see you're also trying switch from the skin color (which is what I said was weird to pay attention to) to ethnicity? Part of 'ethnicity' is culture, and yes, I agree that most people feel comfortable in their own (or similar) cultural environment - but that's different.

    I see. So when we Chinese say things like “[sacrifice] for your country, race and blood” – 民族, we actually mean something besides country, race and blood? Come on. By your name, I assume you’re Asian, so its really weird by some of your assumptions. Sure, we’re not all of the same and of course there’s subdivisions, but that appeal to action wouldn’t work if it didn’t resonate and it resonates because we clearly have some faith that the Han heritage implies unique bonds.

    And its far from outdated, it was just invoked less than a few months ago among Huawei executive meetings. And we continue to say this, in spite of the fact that you know the Party would rather we alter it to “for the Party.”

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    What do Huawei executive meetings (or the Party meetings) have to do with anything? We are talking about human nature, not government and corporate propaganda.

    The German government used to talk a lot about their 'race', and then, within a few months period, they stopped talking about it completely. If government propaganda is a manifestation of human nature, should we take at face value German propaganda before May 9 1945, or after?
  46. @Mao Cheng Ji

    People want to be round people who are like them.
     
    I don't know if this is true (it's not true for me), but if it is, assuming that 'being like me' translates into 'similar skin color' seems extremely weird...

    Is that why limousine leftists live as far away from blacks & browns as possible?

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    Is that why limousine leftists live as far away from blacks & browns as possible?
     
    They are not 'leftists', they are liberals - and they don't. They live among other upper-middle class liberals: for sure they wouldn't mind Coats or Obama or Oprah in their neighborhood.
  47. @Mao Cheng Ji

    People want to be round people who are like them.
     
    I don't know if this is true (it's not true for me), but if it is, assuming that 'being like me' translates into 'similar skin color' seems extremely weird...

    I see your Chinese name.

    Ever wonder why Chinese enclaves outside of China are usually referred to as ‘China Town’?

    How about those Indians / Hawaiians Only reservations?

    ‘Similar skin colors’ indeed.

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    Ever wonder why Chinese enclaves outside of China are usually referred to as ‘China Town’?
     
    Poor uneducated Chinese immigrants live in China towns. Those who learn English, assimilate, and manage to get a middle-class job -- they move out, and buy a house among other middle-class people, of all backgrounds. You know this, right?
  48. @D. K.
    That is damn white of you, Mao! I only know what I have lived, observed, or otherwise learned, over the previous six decades (although, to be perfectly honest, my personal memories, as far as what have been verified and dated, by my elders, only stretch back to the Fourth of July in 1959), including my formal education in History (B.A.) and the Social Sciences (M.S., in Personality & Social Psychology), inter alia (i.e., a J.D., in Law, and an M.B.A., with dual concentrations within the area of Management & Organization), during my ill-spent youth. How about you?

    That’s damn ghetto black of you.

    Social “Sciences”?
    Don’t make me laugh, there is no science in social.

    You’re a pretender wannabe.

    BTW, Hillary lost.

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    ***

    'Roger Thornhill': "How do we know it's not a fake? It looks like a fake."

    'Bidder': "Well, one thing we know. You're no fake. You are a genuine idiot."

    ["North by Northwest" (1959)]

    ***

    N.B.: I voted for Trump. (Feel free to tell 'the Beaver.')
  49. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    The article mentioned appeared in The Atlantic Magazine which is edited by none other than Jeffrey Goldberg.

    From Wikipedia:

    “Goldberg was born in Brooklyn, New York, the son of Ellen and Daniel Goldberg,[2] who he describes as “very left-wing.”[3] He grew up in in suburban Malverne on Long Island, where he recalled being one of the few Jews in a largely Irish-American area. During his first trip to Israel as “a powerless 13-year-old boy suffering at the hands of Irish pogromists, juvenile pogromists,” he found the Jewish empowerment embodied by Israeli soldiers exciting, “So, I became deeply enamored of Israel because of that.”[3]

    He attended the University of Pennsylvania, where he was editor-in-chief of The Daily Pennsylvanian.[4] While at Penn he worked at the Hillel kitchen serving lunch to students. He left college to move to Israel, where he served in the Israeli Defense Forces as a prison guard during the First Intifada at Ktzi’ot Prison, a prison camp set up to hold arrested Palestinian participants in the uprising. ”

    The first editor of The Atlantic was none other than the major literary light James Russell Lowell and its early supporters included Longfellow and Whitman. They must be spinning in their graves like clothes in a clothes drier considering that one of the major qualifications of its present editor seems to have been his employment as a concentration camp guard. I guess this rather odious bit of employment was overlooked because of Goldberg’s prior treatment at the hands of those of “Irish pogromists.”

    Rumor is that Goldberg wasn’t the first choice for this editorship. He only got it only when the publisher found that his favored candidate, Lazar Kaganovich, was “unavailable” (i.e. dead).

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  50. @Daniel Chieh
    I see. So when we Chinese say things like "[sacrifice] for your country, race and blood" - 民族, we actually mean something besides country, race and blood? Come on. By your name, I assume you're Asian, so its really weird by some of your assumptions. Sure, we're not all of the same and of course there's subdivisions, but that appeal to action wouldn't work if it didn't resonate and it resonates because we clearly have some faith that the Han heritage implies unique bonds.

    And its far from outdated, it was just invoked less than a few months ago among Huawei executive meetings. And we continue to say this, in spite of the fact that you know the Party would rather we alter it to "for the Party."

    What do Huawei executive meetings (or the Party meetings) have to do with anything? We are talking about human nature, not government and corporate propaganda.

    The German government used to talk a lot about their ‘race’, and then, within a few months period, they stopped talking about it completely. If government propaganda is a manifestation of human nature, should we take at face value German propaganda before May 9 1945, or after?

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    Because its an attitude and a feeling that persists in spite of, not because of, the government. The Party would like to and has tried to replace all loyalty any ethnic concept to loyalty to itself instead, and yet in spite of its informational apparatus control, cannot change the essential philosophy of ethnic kinship.

    The same attitude is found on both sides the ROC as well as mainland side, and I've had it told to me even in the US randomly by other Chinese colleagues. I can't speak to "all human nature", but if the same attitude is found in places as diverse as Taiwanese classrooms, Party echelon meetings, and random Chinese corporate meetings, then if it not a racial inclination, it is at least an extremely strong cultural meme.

  51. @Wally
    Is that why limousine leftists live as far away from blacks & browns as possible?

    Is that why limousine leftists live as far away from blacks & browns as possible?

    They are not ‘leftists’, they are liberals – and they don’t. They live among other upper-middle class liberals: for sure they wouldn’t mind Coats or Obama or Oprah in their neighborhood.

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    Every white liberal I've ever known or heard of lives in a white neighborhood.
  52. @Wally
    I see your Chinese name.

    Ever wonder why Chinese enclaves outside of China are usually referred to as 'China Town'?

    How about those Indians / Hawaiians Only reservations?

    'Similar skin colors' indeed.

    Ever wonder why Chinese enclaves outside of China are usually referred to as ‘China Town’?

    Poor uneducated Chinese immigrants live in China towns. Those who learn English, assimilate, and manage to get a middle-class job — they move out, and buy a house among other middle-class people, of all backgrounds. You know this, right?

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    Mao - I am white and live in small town America. There are several dozen ethnically Chinese families among about 10 thousand locals. With no exceptions known to me, the Chinese do buy a home in a white neighborhood; never black.

    However they do not associate much with their white neighbors. They are the best neighbors to have as far as keeping their homes and yards neat, rarely - never cause domestic problems. When their children intermarry with whites then assimilation occurs.

    But I see a revealed preference among them to remain socially isolated. They buy in the white areas as a protection to their assets.
  53. isn’t obama’s mom white? this black bs is just stupid. I hate all racial and identity politics equally.

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    Why does it revolve around his mother? Obama changed his name not to a white, or American sounding Fred Smith, name but something that represents him and his ideals and thoughts about the country that needed hope and CHANGE because he liked it so much.
    Most people who come here have no respect for this country or our Constitution and they don't represent me. Mexicans, Israeli's, Cubans, Blacks, Africans, Muslims, Hindus, Gays, Socialists and more all on the same team don't represent me.
    Ghandi, had non-violent opposition to the oppression of those who didn't represent him or his people, so why can't non-hyphenated Americans do the same? Why would people around the world support an Indian Hindu Nationalist in India but not a white Christian American, or a German, French, Dutch, Greek or Italian in Europe?
    People support Black Nationalism, but this isn't Africa. They support Mexican and Cuban and Jew, but no one supports the white non-hyphenated American, most of whose family have fought for this country.
    Why can't the British tell the Muslims to get our and they don't want their foreign rule?
  54. @Mao Cheng Ji
    What do Huawei executive meetings (or the Party meetings) have to do with anything? We are talking about human nature, not government and corporate propaganda.

    The German government used to talk a lot about their 'race', and then, within a few months period, they stopped talking about it completely. If government propaganda is a manifestation of human nature, should we take at face value German propaganda before May 9 1945, or after?

    Because its an attitude and a feeling that persists in spite of, not because of, the government. The Party would like to and has tried to replace all loyalty any ethnic concept to loyalty to itself instead, and yet in spite of its informational apparatus control, cannot change the essential philosophy of ethnic kinship.

    The same attitude is found on both sides the ROC as well as mainland side, and I’ve had it told to me even in the US randomly by other Chinese colleagues. I can’t speak to “all human nature”, but if the same attitude is found in places as diverse as Taiwanese classrooms, Party echelon meetings, and random Chinese corporate meetings, then if it not a racial inclination, it is at least an extremely strong cultural meme.

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    There are over 1.5 billion of East Asians, who usually are classified as a separate 'race' by those who are into this sort of things. That's a hell of a lot of people. Great people, nice people, rotten people, boring people, unpleasant people, weird people -- just like in any other 'race'. If you have managed to train yourself to experience such a warmth towards them all, it shouldn't be too difficult, I think, to make a small effort, and become a humanist. That would seem like a far more logical philosophy, if you insist on emotional involvement with individuals you will never meet or hear of. Or, alternatively, you could limit your fondness to only those who you know and like, regardless of their 'race', and ignore (equally) the rest. That's an even more reasonable approach, imo. But to love a subset of 1.5 billion strangers just because their skin pigmentation is similar to yours? That's weird, man.
  55. @Chris Bridges
    I can hardly believe that anybody takes this mumbling jive ass seriously. Another example of the left propping up a nobody and pretending he is a "great artist" or whatever. Ho hum.

    ” Another example of the Left proping up a nobody and pretending he is a “Great Artist” or whatever”
    Brilliant observation, and they do this with untold numbers of talentless charlatans as long as they spout off leftist platitudes, starting with B Springsteen, Madonna, Cher, J Baez, the screamer B Streisand, etc etc.,
    And then we have the horrid L Dunham, the absolute epitome of everything that has gone wrong with society as of today.
    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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    I agree with almost every word you say. But I don't think it's fair to say B. Springsteen has no talent. Though I'm not really a fan of his music, I do believe he's a talented musician or used to be. Of course not everything he's written or recorded is pure gold but there are some nuggets.
  56. @Daniel Chieh
    Because its an attitude and a feeling that persists in spite of, not because of, the government. The Party would like to and has tried to replace all loyalty any ethnic concept to loyalty to itself instead, and yet in spite of its informational apparatus control, cannot change the essential philosophy of ethnic kinship.

    The same attitude is found on both sides the ROC as well as mainland side, and I've had it told to me even in the US randomly by other Chinese colleagues. I can't speak to "all human nature", but if the same attitude is found in places as diverse as Taiwanese classrooms, Party echelon meetings, and random Chinese corporate meetings, then if it not a racial inclination, it is at least an extremely strong cultural meme.

    There are over 1.5 billion of East Asians, who usually are classified as a separate ‘race’ by those who are into this sort of things. That’s a hell of a lot of people. Great people, nice people, rotten people, boring people, unpleasant people, weird people — just like in any other ‘race’. If you have managed to train yourself to experience such a warmth towards them all, it shouldn’t be too difficult, I think, to make a small effort, and become a humanist. That would seem like a far more logical philosophy, if you insist on emotional involvement with individuals you will never meet or hear of. Or, alternatively, you could limit your fondness to only those who you know and like, regardless of their ‘race’, and ignore (equally) the rest. That’s an even more reasonable approach, imo. But to love a subset of 1.5 billion strangers just because their skin pigmentation is similar to yours? That’s weird, man.

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    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I primarily limit my activity to doing what will help me accumulate more money. Maybe its weird, man, but somehow this methodology seems to have helped me accumulate a heck of a lot of capital.

    The way you're arguing is very ideological, fitting into the entire "we should love everyone" or alternatively, "well, then treat everyone exactly the same." For me, from a realistic point of view, I make the stereotypes which seem to work best for me, and then see if I profit or not.

    Since its been helping me so far, it means that its overall working. Empiricism and all that. I just feel its silly to push to the extremes just to make a point - obviously I don't feel kinship toward all of "East Asians" but yet obviously, there's no denying that there's some degree of cultural(or hereditary) meme of kinship amongst the Han.

    Its a powerful, extensive, and useful meme.

  57. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Ever wonder why Chinese enclaves outside of China are usually referred to as ‘China Town’?
     
    Poor uneducated Chinese immigrants live in China towns. Those who learn English, assimilate, and manage to get a middle-class job -- they move out, and buy a house among other middle-class people, of all backgrounds. You know this, right?

    Mao – I am white and live in small town America. There are several dozen ethnically Chinese families among about 10 thousand locals. With no exceptions known to me, the Chinese do buy a home in a white neighborhood; never black.

    However they do not associate much with their white neighbors. They are the best neighbors to have as far as keeping their homes and yards neat, rarely – never cause domestic problems. When their children intermarry with whites then assimilation occurs.

    But I see a revealed preference among them to remain socially isolated. They buy in the white areas as a protection to their assets.

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    With no exceptions known to me, the Chinese do buy a home in a white neighborhood; never black.
     
    They buy homes in middle-class neighborhoods, according to their socioeconomic status, same as everybody else. I'm sure you realize that Oprah doesn't live in a ghetto: she lives where other billionaires live. Similarly, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, etc. etc. etc. all live in communities suitable to their sociol-economic status and income, not according to their skin pigmentation.
  58. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Astuteobservor II
    isn't obama's mom white? this black bs is just stupid. I hate all racial and identity politics equally.

    Why does it revolve around his mother? Obama changed his name not to a white, or American sounding Fred Smith, name but something that represents him and his ideals and thoughts about the country that needed hope and CHANGE because he liked it so much.
    Most people who come here have no respect for this country or our Constitution and they don’t represent me. Mexicans, Israeli’s, Cubans, Blacks, Africans, Muslims, Hindus, Gays, Socialists and more all on the same team don’t represent me.
    Ghandi, had non-violent opposition to the oppression of those who didn’t represent him or his people, so why can’t non-hyphenated Americans do the same? Why would people around the world support an Indian Hindu Nationalist in India but not a white Christian American, or a German, French, Dutch, Greek or Italian in Europe?
    People support Black Nationalism, but this isn’t Africa. They support Mexican and Cuban and Jew, but no one supports the white non-hyphenated American, most of whose family have fought for this country.
    Why can’t the British tell the Muslims to get our and they don’t want their foreign rule?

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  59. @Anonymous

    including my formal education in History (B.A.) and the Social Sciences (M.S., in Personality & Social Psychology), inter alia (i.e., a J.D., in Law, and an M.B.A., with dual concentrations within the area of Management & Organization), during my ill-spent youth. How about you?
     
    Ah .... dicksizing... equally enjoyed by educated and uneducated alike.

    . . . circa 7 inches, when it needs to be; much shorter, otherwise. Anything else…?

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  60. @Wally
    That's damn ghetto black of you.

    Social "Sciences"?
    Don't make me laugh, there is no science in social.

    You're a pretender wannabe.

    BTW, Hillary lost.

    ***

    ‘Roger Thornhill’: “How do we know it’s not a fake? It looks like a fake.”

    ‘Bidder’: “Well, one thing we know. You’re no fake. You are a genuine idiot.”

    ["North by Northwest" (1959)]

    ***

    N.B.: I voted for Trump. (Feel free to tell ‘the Beaver.’)

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  61. @Mao Cheng Ji
    There are over 1.5 billion of East Asians, who usually are classified as a separate 'race' by those who are into this sort of things. That's a hell of a lot of people. Great people, nice people, rotten people, boring people, unpleasant people, weird people -- just like in any other 'race'. If you have managed to train yourself to experience such a warmth towards them all, it shouldn't be too difficult, I think, to make a small effort, and become a humanist. That would seem like a far more logical philosophy, if you insist on emotional involvement with individuals you will never meet or hear of. Or, alternatively, you could limit your fondness to only those who you know and like, regardless of their 'race', and ignore (equally) the rest. That's an even more reasonable approach, imo. But to love a subset of 1.5 billion strangers just because their skin pigmentation is similar to yours? That's weird, man.

    I primarily limit my activity to doing what will help me accumulate more money. Maybe its weird, man, but somehow this methodology seems to have helped me accumulate a heck of a lot of capital.

    The way you’re arguing is very ideological, fitting into the entire “we should love everyone” or alternatively, “well, then treat everyone exactly the same.” For me, from a realistic point of view, I make the stereotypes which seem to work best for me, and then see if I profit or not.

    Since its been helping me so far, it means that its overall working. Empiricism and all that. I just feel its silly to push to the extremes just to make a point – obviously I don’t feel kinship toward all of “East Asians” but yet obviously, there’s no denying that there’s some degree of cultural(or hereditary) meme of kinship amongst the Han.

    Its a powerful, extensive, and useful meme.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    I think we feel more comfortable around people of familiar culture, simply because we understand them better; we don't (usually) need to consciously analyze their words and body language, and calculate and produce appropriate reaction. That's tiring. Within our native culture we can just act natural. That's comforting.
  62. @workforlivn
    Mao - I am white and live in small town America. There are several dozen ethnically Chinese families among about 10 thousand locals. With no exceptions known to me, the Chinese do buy a home in a white neighborhood; never black.

    However they do not associate much with their white neighbors. They are the best neighbors to have as far as keeping their homes and yards neat, rarely - never cause domestic problems. When their children intermarry with whites then assimilation occurs.

    But I see a revealed preference among them to remain socially isolated. They buy in the white areas as a protection to their assets.

    With no exceptions known to me, the Chinese do buy a home in a white neighborhood; never black.

    They buy homes in middle-class neighborhoods, according to their socioeconomic status, same as everybody else. I’m sure you realize that Oprah doesn’t live in a ghetto: she lives where other billionaires live. Similarly, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, etc. etc. etc. all live in communities suitable to their sociol-economic status and income, not according to their skin pigmentation.

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  63. @Daniel Chieh
    I primarily limit my activity to doing what will help me accumulate more money. Maybe its weird, man, but somehow this methodology seems to have helped me accumulate a heck of a lot of capital.

    The way you're arguing is very ideological, fitting into the entire "we should love everyone" or alternatively, "well, then treat everyone exactly the same." For me, from a realistic point of view, I make the stereotypes which seem to work best for me, and then see if I profit or not.

    Since its been helping me so far, it means that its overall working. Empiricism and all that. I just feel its silly to push to the extremes just to make a point - obviously I don't feel kinship toward all of "East Asians" but yet obviously, there's no denying that there's some degree of cultural(or hereditary) meme of kinship amongst the Han.

    Its a powerful, extensive, and useful meme.

    I think we feel more comfortable around people of familiar culture, simply because we understand them better; we don’t (usually) need to consciously analyze their words and body language, and calculate and produce appropriate reaction. That’s tiring. Within our native culture we can just act natural. That’s comforting.

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    But the contemporary twist to this is that the 'familiar culture' for anyone who does a high level professional job, has a PhD, or attended an elite university, is indeed a transnational, multi racial, multi ethnic culture, albeit extremely homogeneous in taste, beliefs, ideology, income and conversational style. An IIT graduate from India will feel much more comfortable around an East Asian or white Ivy League management consultant than around even a middle-middle class person from urban India.
  64. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Poor Ta-Nehisi Coates … he just doesn’t get it. He is utterly blind to how his own Black Nationalist identitarianism and racial grievance politics inexorably leads to Richard Spencer’s White Nationalist identitarianism:
     
    Well, it doesn't lead to it, it's just the same thing. Both are race-mongers, identically confused and misguided. You're right: if one is despised, so should be the other.

    They’re not identical at all. Most of Spencer’s points that I’ve ever heard are entirely rational and backed by robust arguments. Coates often lapses into blackademic word salad. I’ve read a few of his pieces and even where cogent, I can’t really summarize what his position is. With Spencer, as I understand it, it’s simple: separate land for whites.

    Think what you want of that but it’s both coherent and backed by logical conclusions based on reams of data and libraries of written history. And maybe part of your screen name’s charm is writing such things from the ostensible vantage point of the purest monoracial state on earth, but it does come off as a bit unseemly.

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  65. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Poor Ta-Nehisi Coates … he just doesn’t get it. He is utterly blind to how his own Black Nationalist identitarianism and racial grievance politics inexorably leads to Richard Spencer’s White Nationalist identitarianism:
     
    Well, it doesn't lead to it, it's just the same thing. Both are race-mongers, identically confused and misguided. You're right: if one is despised, so should be the other.

    The problem with Spencer is that he is not merely a white nationalist, he is a white separatist. That of course is a total non-starter, which is why the mainstream media loves him. What we need are white nationalists that the average white American can identify with. Such people already exist, but the MSM media is not at all interested in publicizing them

    Coates at least pretends that he isn’t a black nationalist. It’s a this pretense, but since the MSM is on his side it’s good enough.

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    The problem with Spencer is that he is not merely a white nationalist, he is a white separatist.
     
    There's no such thing as "white nationalist"; it's an oxymoron. The concept of a 'nation' doesn't entail classification of the nationals as 'white' or 'black'; in fact, this sort of classification is in direct contradiction with the concept of a 'nation'.

    Both Spencer (of whom I know almost nothing) and Coats (I've read a couple of his pieces) are racialists, who view the human society as the field where mythical 'races' operate and interact with each-other. Which is an obsolete and long-discredited view, as far as I know. They're just dead-enders, a curiosity. Sorta like the modern flat earth societies...

  66. @justice4all
    Could someone pls moderate these comments?

    Most people know and understand that The Unz Review is a free speech website. The website itself proudly proclaims that fact. Which part of “free speech” is too complicated for you to grasp?

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  67. @Authenticjazzman
    " Another example of the Left proping up a nobody and pretending he is a "Great Artist" or whatever"
    Brilliant observation, and they do this with untold numbers of talentless charlatans as long as they spout off leftist platitudes, starting with B Springsteen, Madonna, Cher, J Baez, the screamer B Streisand, etc etc.,
    And then we have the horrid L Dunham, the absolute epitome of everything that has gone wrong with society as of today.
    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

    I agree with almost every word you say. But I don’t think it’s fair to say B. Springsteen has no talent. Though I’m not really a fan of his music, I do believe he’s a talented musician or used to be. Of course not everything he’s written or recorded is pure gold but there are some nuggets.

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  68. @Anon
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4057906/Verdict-expected-case-American-woman-slain-Florence.html

    Looks like white women feel 'my god is afro-dong.'

    Even though black men are known to be wild and violent, white women just gotta worship the negro dong even at the risk of life & limb and the disgrace of cheating on white husband/boyfriend.

    This is globalism. it is what the EU elites promote as 'liberal western values'.

    The West will be destroyed by white worship of the afro-dong. Sounds ridiculous, but when people are reduced to trashy jungle-hedonists, this is what they live for and die for.

    “Looks like white women feel ‘my god is afro-dong.’

    Even though black men are known to be wild and violent, white women just gotta worship the negro dong even at the risk of life & limb and the disgrace of cheating on white husband/boyfriend.

    This is globalism. it is what the EU elites promote as ‘liberal western values’.

    The West will be destroyed by white worship of the afro-dong. Sounds ridiculous, but when people are reduced to trashy jungle-hedonists, this is what they live for and die for.”

    Anon you cuck the vast majority of White women do not prefer Black men.

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    I was in a band with a black American Tenor Saxophone player in the late sixties ( He was studying medicine at the time and he retired as an MD a few years ago) he told me that the white women who made a cult out of black guys were all nut-cases, and that you could screw them but you couldn't talk to them.
    Now lets see if this post gets through the censors, bet it doesn't.

    Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

  69. Admiral Harry Harris , Pacom CiC is a very busy man, hopping around Asia from Oz to Delhi to Tokyo to ramp up Washington’s China encirclement project.
    Pacific fleet is the USN navy’s spear in Asia, it was used against Jp in WW2, now its directed at China.

    Harry doesnt look very hairy…. prolly cuz he’s half Jp.
    Thats why he’s promoted to be Washington’s point man in Asia.

    The Wasps/Jews controlled ‘deep state’ like to play their race card.
    Obama to seduce the Africans, Harry to charm the Jp.
    These are then touted as proof of ‘equal opportunity’ in ‘land of the free’ and the sheeples are so proud of it.
    hehehehe

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  70. Ta-Nehisi Coates extreme hatred of White people started when some White woman on an elevator told his Black son to get out of her way.

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    • Replies: @Dave
    No, it actually began when he spent his youth getting his ass kicked by his black nationalist father and all the neighborhood thugs he faced in the street everyday.
    He could not reconcile that reality with the fantasies of black power and pride he believed in and therefore resorted to the default position of many black people in the West... hate whitey and never stop hating him.
  71. @Jefferson
    Ta-Nehisi Coates extreme hatred of White people started when some White woman on an elevator told his Black son to get out of her way.

    No, it actually began when he spent his youth getting his ass kicked by his black nationalist father and all the neighborhood thugs he faced in the street everyday.
    He could not reconcile that reality with the fantasies of black power and pride he believed in and therefore resorted to the default position of many black people in the West… hate whitey and never stop hating him.

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  72. @Lemurmaniac
    The modern man has degenerated to a place in which he thinks he can form himself apart from higher principle and superordinate structures. In a traditional society you wouldn't even have standing.

    The individual produced by the modern liberal world pays lip service to diversity, but this is an appeal to distinction without difference. Perhaps you like black metal and your friends like indie rock. My god you special snowflake.

    Social liberals like being around other social liberals. Why? Because that is the idea they have in common mediating their identities - or more accurately degrading and negating them.

    Now here is a man who has read his Evola!

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  73. @Hepp
    This is just pathetic

    I had never seen so many white people cheer on a black man who was neither an athlete nor an entertainer. And it seemed that they loved him for this, and I thought in those days, which now feel so long ago, that they might then love me, too, and love my wife, and love my child, and love us all in the manner that the God they so fervently cited had commanded.
     
    There are no higher principles or ideals here. Just me and muh feeling and all the mean white people. What a sad sad man.

    His made up name always makes me think of nehi sodas. He wrote an article for The Atlantic rejoicing that OJ killed 2 White people and got away with it

    He’s incredibly ugly as well. The Atlantic is a parody of Jewish Anti White liberalism.

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  74. He’s incredibly ugly as well. The Atlantic is a parody of Jewish Anti White liberalism.

    I think that’s the source of his anger. He looks very primitive, but is really sort of an introverted, sensitive nerd. So he can’t be an alpha guy and he doesn’t have the look of an intellectual, hence all the rage.

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  75. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Is that why limousine leftists live as far away from blacks & browns as possible?
     
    They are not 'leftists', they are liberals - and they don't. They live among other upper-middle class liberals: for sure they wouldn't mind Coats or Obama or Oprah in their neighborhood.

    Every white liberal I’ve ever known or heard of lives in a white neighborhood.

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  76. @Jefferson
    "Looks like white women feel ‘my god is afro-dong.’

    Even though black men are known to be wild and violent, white women just gotta worship the negro dong even at the risk of life & limb and the disgrace of cheating on white husband/boyfriend.

    This is globalism. it is what the EU elites promote as ‘liberal western values’.

    The West will be destroyed by white worship of the afro-dong. Sounds ridiculous, but when people are reduced to trashy jungle-hedonists, this is what they live for and die for."

    Anon you cuck the vast majority of White women do not prefer Black men.

    I was in a band with a black American Tenor Saxophone player in the late sixties ( He was studying medicine at the time and he retired as an MD a few years ago) he told me that the white women who made a cult out of black guys were all nut-cases, and that you could screw them but you couldn’t talk to them.
    Now lets see if this post gets through the censors, bet it doesn’t.

    Authenticjazzman, “Mensa” Society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.

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  77. @Mao Cheng Ji
    I think we feel more comfortable around people of familiar culture, simply because we understand them better; we don't (usually) need to consciously analyze their words and body language, and calculate and produce appropriate reaction. That's tiring. Within our native culture we can just act natural. That's comforting.

    But the contemporary twist to this is that the ‘familiar culture’ for anyone who does a high level professional job, has a PhD, or attended an elite university, is indeed a transnational, multi racial, multi ethnic culture, albeit extremely homogeneous in taste, beliefs, ideology, income and conversational style. An IIT graduate from India will feel much more comfortable around an East Asian or white Ivy League management consultant than around even a middle-middle class person from urban India.

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  78. @jb
    The problem with Spencer is that he is not merely a white nationalist, he is a white separatist. That of course is a total non-starter, which is why the mainstream media loves him. What we need are white nationalists that the average white American can identify with. Such people already exist, but the MSM media is not at all interested in publicizing them

    Coates at least pretends that he isn't a black nationalist. It's a this pretense, but since the MSM is on his side it's good enough.

    The problem with Spencer is that he is not merely a white nationalist, he is a white separatist.

    There’s no such thing as “white nationalist”; it’s an oxymoron. The concept of a ‘nation’ doesn’t entail classification of the nationals as ‘white’ or ‘black’; in fact, this sort of classification is in direct contradiction with the concept of a ‘nation’.

    Both Spencer (of whom I know almost nothing) and Coats (I’ve read a couple of his pieces) are racialists, who view the human society as the field where mythical ‘races’ operate and interact with each-other. Which is an obsolete and long-discredited view, as far as I know. They’re just dead-enders, a curiosity. Sorta like the modern flat earth societies…

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  79. @Mao Cheng Ji

    The problem with Spencer is that he is not merely a white nationalist, he is a white separatist.
     
    There's no such thing as "white nationalist"; it's an oxymoron. The concept of a 'nation' doesn't entail classification of the nationals as 'white' or 'black'; in fact, this sort of classification is in direct contradiction with the concept of a 'nation'.

    Both Spencer (of whom I know almost nothing) and Coats (I've read a couple of his pieces) are racialists, who view the human society as the field where mythical 'races' operate and interact with each-other. Which is an obsolete and long-discredited view, as far as I know. They're just dead-enders, a curiosity. Sorta like the modern flat earth societies...

    “. . . as far as I know.”

    Precisely….

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  80. @Mao Cheng Ji

    People want to be round people who are like them.
     
    I don't know if this is true (it's not true for me), but if it is, assuming that 'being like me' translates into 'similar skin color' seems extremely weird...

    If you had a strong position you wouldn’t have to use such rhetorical tricks as making your opponent’s arguments sound inherently ridiculous by equating race with skin colour.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    If you had a strong position you wouldn’t have to use such rhetorical tricks as making your opponent’s arguments sound inherently ridiculous by equating race with skin colour.
     
    I don't know if I have a "strong position", but I don't believe physical 'races'. If it's not the skin color, then why all that talk about 'blacks' and 'whites'?
  81. If I were black (I’m not, and neither am I white), I’d cringe with embarrassment to be identified as belonging to the same mindset as Mr Coates. Not In My Name, that’s what I’d say.

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  82. @Harold
    If you had a strong position you wouldn’t have to use such rhetorical tricks as making your opponent’s arguments sound inherently ridiculous by equating race with skin colour.

    If you had a strong position you wouldn’t have to use such rhetorical tricks as making your opponent’s arguments sound inherently ridiculous by equating race with skin colour.

    I don’t know if I have a “strong position”, but I don’t believe physical ‘races’. If it’s not the skin color, then why all that talk about ‘blacks’ and ‘whites’?

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Deriving from the most obvious difference, and the lack of any other term, "Negro" or some variant thereof having been used for several centuries and "white" being its opposite.

    In the US there have been since the Civil War in the broadest sense three main cultures: blacks, white Protestants, and white Catholics. Obviously there are also geographical groupings. As a matter of my opinion and perception (so you may well disagree), since the sixties the white Catholic culture has been eroding and mixing in with the white Protestant culture, leaving the "whites" as a general category opposed to the "blacks". The fact that these cultural lines track racial lines merely deepens the gulf.

    I don't think, in an ideal world, that either "race" or "class" would divide us in our pursuit of universal justice, but we don't live in such a world.
  83. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    If you had a strong position you wouldn’t have to use such rhetorical tricks as making your opponent’s arguments sound inherently ridiculous by equating race with skin colour.
     
    I don't know if I have a "strong position", but I don't believe physical 'races'. If it's not the skin color, then why all that talk about 'blacks' and 'whites'?

    Deriving from the most obvious difference, and the lack of any other term, “Negro” or some variant thereof having been used for several centuries and “white” being its opposite.

    In the US there have been since the Civil War in the broadest sense three main cultures: blacks, white Protestants, and white Catholics. Obviously there are also geographical groupings. As a matter of my opinion and perception (so you may well disagree), since the sixties the white Catholic culture has been eroding and mixing in with the white Protestant culture, leaving the “whites” as a general category opposed to the “blacks”. The fact that these cultural lines track racial lines merely deepens the gulf.

    I don’t think, in an ideal world, that either “race” or “class” would divide us in our pursuit of universal justice, but we don’t live in such a world.

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    So, to you 'black' identifies a culture? That would make more sense, but I don't think commenters here would agree. And then it would probably make sense to call it something else ('urban' vs 'suburban', or something), just to avoid the confusion...
  84. @Anon
    Deriving from the most obvious difference, and the lack of any other term, "Negro" or some variant thereof having been used for several centuries and "white" being its opposite.

    In the US there have been since the Civil War in the broadest sense three main cultures: blacks, white Protestants, and white Catholics. Obviously there are also geographical groupings. As a matter of my opinion and perception (so you may well disagree), since the sixties the white Catholic culture has been eroding and mixing in with the white Protestant culture, leaving the "whites" as a general category opposed to the "blacks". The fact that these cultural lines track racial lines merely deepens the gulf.

    I don't think, in an ideal world, that either "race" or "class" would divide us in our pursuit of universal justice, but we don't live in such a world.

    So, to you ‘black’ identifies a culture? That would make more sense, but I don’t think commenters here would agree. And then it would probably make sense to call it something else (‘urban’ vs ‘suburban’, or something), just to avoid the confusion…

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    And then it would probably make sense to call it something else (‘urban’ vs ‘suburban’, or something), just to avoid the confusion…
     
    No, because the cultural identity is tied in with (genetic) race. I agree it's an artificial classification, but it has become established through the course of American history. Sort of as though the Nordic Race nonsense had come to have any actual relevance, and people with straight noses had organized themselves into a cultural grouping.
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    @Mao Cheng Ji
    So, to you 'black' identifies a culture? That would make more sense, but I don't think commenters here would agree. And then it would probably make sense to call it something else ('urban' vs 'suburban', or something), just to avoid the confusion...

    And then it would probably make sense to call it something else (‘urban’ vs ‘suburban’, or something), just to avoid the confusion…

    No, because the cultural identity is tied in with (genetic) race. I agree it’s an artificial classification, but it has become established through the course of American history. Sort of as though the Nordic Race nonsense had come to have any actual relevance, and people with straight noses had organized themselves into a cultural grouping.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    No, because the cultural identity is tied in with (genetic) race.
     
    There's no such thing as "genetic race", as far as I can tell. I think a distinct culture (determined by a combination of geography and socioeconomic status) is perceived as a 'race' (or 'ethnicity'), and that's all there is to it.
  86. @CCZ
    Interesting how Ta-Nehisi Coates has avoided writing about this moment in racial history:

    On Sunday, June 30, 1974, church service was being held at historic Ebenezer Baptist Church. Mrs. Alberta King (the mother of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.) was acting as the church organist and had just finished playing “The Lord’s Prayer,” and all heads were bowed when a young black man identified as Marcus Wayne Chenault Jr., 21, yelled out “I’m taking over here.”

    Chenault then ran to the pulpit of the church and pulled out two guns. He emptied the pistols into Alberta King, Edward Boykin, and congregation member Jimmie Mitchell. As the congregation erupted in chaos, he ran from the church.

    Marcus Wayne Chenault Jr., died in August 1995 at a hospital in the Atlanta suburb of Riverdale. He was 44 and serving a life sentence at the state prison in Jackson, Ga., when he suffered a stroke.

    Mr. Chenault, the son of a middle-class black family in Dayton, Ohio, had just been welcomed to the church for a morning service when he rose from his seat in the front pew, drew two pistols and started firing.

    At his arraignment, Mr. Chenault told a magistrate that he had come to Atlanta "on a mission," and said he decided months earlier that black ministers were a menace to black people and must be killed.

    He also told the police that his mission was to kill the Rev. Martin Luther King Sr., but he shot Mrs. King instead because she was close to him.

    Sources NY Times and
    http://rollingout.com/2015/02/05/forgotten-assassination-dr-kings-mother/

     

    Chenault then ran to the pulpit of the church and pulled out two guns. He emptied the pistols into Alberta King, Edward Boykin, and congregation member Jimmie Mitchell.

    Thanks for bringing this up. Rather timely and relevant given the recent sentencing of Dylan Roof. While Marcus Chenault is mentioned in Alberta King’s Wikipedia entry, I found it odd that Chenault had no entry of his own.

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  87. @Anon

    And then it would probably make sense to call it something else (‘urban’ vs ‘suburban’, or something), just to avoid the confusion…
     
    No, because the cultural identity is tied in with (genetic) race. I agree it's an artificial classification, but it has become established through the course of American history. Sort of as though the Nordic Race nonsense had come to have any actual relevance, and people with straight noses had organized themselves into a cultural grouping.

    No, because the cultural identity is tied in with (genetic) race.

    There’s no such thing as “genetic race”, as far as I can tell. I think a distinct culture (determined by a combination of geography and socioeconomic status) is perceived as a ‘race’ (or ‘ethnicity’), and that’s all there is to it.

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    • Replies: @gustafus
    thousands of years of hard wiring.... is racism. ethnocentricity....

    Hamilton's Rule.... we identify with and advance the interests of those who look and act like we do.

    end of discussion.... you don't erase this with a few decades of Kumbaya and pot smoke
  88. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Poor Ta-Nehisi Coates … he just doesn’t get it. He is utterly blind to how his own Black Nationalist identitarianism and racial grievance politics inexorably leads to Richard Spencer’s White Nationalist identitarianism:
     
    Well, it doesn't lead to it, it's just the same thing. Both are race-mongers, identically confused and misguided. You're right: if one is despised, so should be the other.

    I agree that one doesn’t lead to the other. But it’s not “the same thing.”

    T. Genius Coates constantly signals that he wants to live among white people while getting money and status for hating them, claiming fragility, and projecting beta male sissiness. He comes across as a fraud who wants to blame whitey for his character.

    Richard Spencer admits wanting to live among white people. Loving them comes naturally to him, and those who victimize him for this simply offer him opportunities to assert his strength of character in standing firm.

    Coates comes across as a bloviating dimwit who hates his own skin and experience, and who chirps whatever his billionaire-foundation funders are throwing money at this year.

    (Do a bit of reading on the family history of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation–and how John D.’s hippie son Rod wrested the foundation from his parents’ vision, then handed his leftist obsessions down to Rick, his son–who is BTW the president of Harper’s Magazine. THAT is the sort of person who designates the Coateses of the world as “geniuses.”)

    Spencer comes across as a rational, articulate, intelligent guy whether you agree with him or not on the specific issue of white separatism. But I’ve noticed that the whites who seem to disagree with him most fervently live and work in the most white-separatist spaces in the nation.

    Ditto the blacks. TN Coates, remember, bought a vast and posh $2+ million historic brownstone in Brooklyn earlier this year…then backed out of the sale claiming he didn’t feel safe there. Weeks later had it relisted at $300,000 more than he paid for it–close to $2.4m IIRC.

    Now THAT’s what I call easy money and gentrification.

    Daniel Greenfield had a nice piece on Coates’s victimization minstrel show last spring:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262872/victimhood-black-millionaires-daniel-greenfield

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    It doesn't matter what you feel about these characters, that you despise one and valorize the other. That's your personal emotional response. The point is that they represent the same phenomenon: identitarianism. In abstract (from a systemic point of view), it doesn't make sense to denounce one form of identitarianism and prase another. And as soon as you accept one, you accept them all...
  89. @Olorin
    I agree that one doesn't lead to the other. But it's not "the same thing."

    T. Genius Coates constantly signals that he wants to live among white people while getting money and status for hating them, claiming fragility, and projecting beta male sissiness. He comes across as a fraud who wants to blame whitey for his character.

    Richard Spencer admits wanting to live among white people. Loving them comes naturally to him, and those who victimize him for this simply offer him opportunities to assert his strength of character in standing firm.

    Coates comes across as a bloviating dimwit who hates his own skin and experience, and who chirps whatever his billionaire-foundation funders are throwing money at this year.

    (Do a bit of reading on the family history of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation--and how John D.'s hippie son Rod wrested the foundation from his parents' vision, then handed his leftist obsessions down to Rick, his son--who is BTW the president of Harper's Magazine. THAT is the sort of person who designates the Coateses of the world as "geniuses.")

    Spencer comes across as a rational, articulate, intelligent guy whether you agree with him or not on the specific issue of white separatism. But I've noticed that the whites who seem to disagree with him most fervently live and work in the most white-separatist spaces in the nation.

    Ditto the blacks. TN Coates, remember, bought a vast and posh $2+ million historic brownstone in Brooklyn earlier this year...then backed out of the sale claiming he didn't feel safe there. Weeks later had it relisted at $300,000 more than he paid for it--close to $2.4m IIRC.

    Now THAT's what I call easy money and gentrification.

    Daniel Greenfield had a nice piece on Coates's victimization minstrel show last spring:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262872/victimhood-black-millionaires-daniel-greenfield

    It doesn’t matter what you feel about these characters, that you despise one and valorize the other. That’s your personal emotional response. The point is that they represent the same phenomenon: identitarianism. In abstract (from a systemic point of view), it doesn’t make sense to denounce one form of identitarianism and prase another. And as soon as you accept one, you accept them all…

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    • Replies: @gustafus
    Identitarianism?....no, Hamilton's Rule. We identify with and advance the interests of those who look and act like we do.

    End of discussion. You do not erase thousands of years of hard wiring with Kumbaya nonsense.

    Latinos in Southern California lament the invasion of El Salvadorean gangs.. from which they fled.

    Yet when it came time to vote... they voted the interests of 600 million Latino peasants to the south... in what could be a murder suicide pact with their genetic heritage.

    To hell with the Gringos who created a culture they could thrive in.... to hell with the White Man.

    Ditto for Blacks, Muslims, ... er, Swedes not so much. Scandinavians are in a murder suicide pact with everyone else's genetic heritage.

  90. @Jim Christian

    “It was the feeling that this particular black family, the Obamas, represented the best of black people, the ultimate credit to the race, incomparable in elegance and bearing.”
     

    I never had that feeling once. Bearing? Think Obama, going Ghetto on the trail for Hillary, losing every state he spoke in, not necessarily on his own. Did Hillary win any in which he spoke? Oh, he was full-on Ghetto talking to the Blacks as if the Whites weren't watching? Gave me the heebie-jeebies. Bearing? Elegance? Think Obama and his bicycles, Michelle and her complaining and whining, even as she vacuumed up the percs and took ALL the vacations she could. Elegance? Think muscular, fat-ass, garden-variety hoochie-coohie Michelle on Oprah, complaining about her own slavery in being First Lady. Rappers in the White House, supporting thugs who killed cops, the Black Baby-Mamas who mothered criminals that got shot by cops. Because when I think elegance, grace, beauty, class, bearing or any other platitudes, oh YEAH! I think Obama. Did they really think THEY were only watching themselves? Did they not think to think WE also were watching and were repelled? Did the press really THINK Trump voters by the tens of millions weren't watching? Man, that's arrogant!

    By the way, the Atlantic is a piece of shit, read by fewer than one percent, Coates is a fucking retard that only speaks to his own kind (although I doubt even 5% of Blacks ever heard of him, either). What's the hub-bub with The Atlantic and Coates? Oprah and her daily racist horseshit ought to be more like the grist for public milling.

    If Barry and Michael are the best they have to offer.. they are in more trouble than we thought.

    It does appear that Putin does not share many American’s appreciation for melanin as an arbiter of achievement.

    Barry is and was affirmative action cliche. The defiant upturned chin and rising intonation betrayed the “homey” in Obomy.

    Yet Americans, so proud of “how far we’ve come” …made excuses for the black faced emperor dressed only in a hoodie.

    He will embarrass us and himself in the coming months, unless somebody takes him aside and persuades him to retreat to the canopy.

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  91. @Mao Cheng Ji
    It doesn't matter what you feel about these characters, that you despise one and valorize the other. That's your personal emotional response. The point is that they represent the same phenomenon: identitarianism. In abstract (from a systemic point of view), it doesn't make sense to denounce one form of identitarianism and prase another. And as soon as you accept one, you accept them all...

    Identitarianism?….no, Hamilton’s Rule. We identify with and advance the interests of those who look and act like we do.

    End of discussion. You do not erase thousands of years of hard wiring with Kumbaya nonsense.

    Latinos in Southern California lament the invasion of El Salvadorean gangs.. from which they fled.

    Yet when it came time to vote… they voted the interests of 600 million Latino peasants to the south… in what could be a murder suicide pact with their genetic heritage.

    To hell with the Gringos who created a culture they could thrive in…. to hell with the White Man.

    Ditto for Blacks, Muslims, … er, Swedes not so much. Scandinavians are in a murder suicide pact with everyone else’s genetic heritage.

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  92. @Mao Cheng Ji

    No, because the cultural identity is tied in with (genetic) race.
     
    There's no such thing as "genetic race", as far as I can tell. I think a distinct culture (determined by a combination of geography and socioeconomic status) is perceived as a 'race' (or 'ethnicity'), and that's all there is to it.

    thousands of years of hard wiring…. is racism. ethnocentricity….

    Hamilton’s Rule…. we identify with and advance the interests of those who look and act like we do.

    end of discussion…. you don’t erase this with a few decades of Kumbaya and pot smoke

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  93. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Poor Ta-Nehisi Coates … he just doesn’t get it. He is utterly blind to how his own Black Nationalist identitarianism and racial grievance politics inexorably leads to Richard Spencer’s White Nationalist identitarianism:
     
    Well, it doesn't lead to it, it's just the same thing. Both are race-mongers, identically confused and misguided. You're right: if one is despised, so should be the other.

    Spencer and Coates are antipodes. And even more so, with Jared Taylor and other race realists and white advocates/identitarians. The latter are honest and realistic, comprehending and telling the truth about average negro intelligence, rampant black criminality, pandemic black-on-white violence, the invasion of tens of millions of legal and illegal aliens from the Third-World that will soon transform the U.S. into a nonwhite-majority country in which European-Americas will be an increasingly dispossessed and persecuted minority; the pernicious influence of Muslim immigration in Western Europe and, to a lesser degree, the United States and Canada, etc.

    Coates and his ilk are liars and psychotics. When Coates isn’t lying, outright, as with many if not most of his anecdotes, he’s delusional, completely impervious to and estranged from objective reality in his fantasies of systemic and ubiquitous white “racism” and black victimization.

    Finally, Spencer and Taylor and their allies want to conserve the historic white-majority country. Coates and a majority of blacks and “Hispanics” and white left-liberals and “truconservatives”/libertarians want to destroy it.

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