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Editor’s Note: This is the transcript of my speech delivered at the 2018 League of the South National Conference.

I would like think I stand before you today older and wiser than I was three years ago. I want to talk to you today about my experience as a member of the League of the South: where it was when I joined, where it stands today and where it is going.

Public Activism

Since 2013, I have been a strong advocate of public activism. I have argued that public activism is necessary to erode the dominant taboos which have marginalized our community. While I still believe the League should engage in public activism, I now believe that we must be much more prudent in doing so in the current political climate.

When Barack Obama was president, I believe that public activism worked well for the League of the South. It was a net positive that attracted new members to our organization. The average, rightwing Southerner was alienated from Barack Obama’s America. We held public rallies about a series of neglected, hot button populist issues – immigration, refugee resettlement, free trade, Confederate heritage – which resonated with the public.

The mainstream Left was content so long as Barack Obama was president and as a result radical, violent Antifa groups failed to gain traction. In the Obama years, we became accustomed to seeing these people as a joke. We held nearly 20 rallies between 2013 and 2017 which never attracted more than a small, motley crew of mostly non-violent liberal counter-protesters. The Radical Left withered in the Obama years because the mainstream Left was satisfied, asleep and disengaged from participating in public activism.

Throughout the Obama years, the League of the South hosted our own public events. We tightly controlled our own members. We controlled our own message. We were careful to control our public image. There were no violent confrontations with the Radical Left in the Obama years and we were able to engage extensively with the public. In 2013, we held a rally against refugee resettlement in Shelbyville, TN and distributed hundreds of Free Magnolias. In 2017, when we went back to Shelbyville, TN and were treated like caged animals.

I believe this change in public perception and crowd control at our rallies is entirely due to the Trump presidency and the radicalization of the Left that followed in its wake. In the Trump era, the mainstream Left, which was traumatized by the shock of Trump’s surprise victory in the 2016 election, began to openly endorse political violence. Mainstream leftwing publications have defended “punching Nazis” in the name of “the Resistance.” We saw early in 2017 how leftwing bastions on the West Coast like Portland, OR and Berkeley, CA were failing to uphold law and order. They looked the other way while anarchists rioted and engaged in violence against even mainstream conservatives and libertarians.

As a result of the Trump presidency, public rallies, protests and demonstrations organized by the League of the South have been used as a foil by violent Antifa to harness the energy of the traumatized “Resistance” to recruit new members. Many of our public events, which used to attract little attention from these fanatics, have become a public stage for acting out the violent, leftwing backlash against the Trump presidency. Meanwhile, the conservatives who have reaped all the benefits of the Trump presidency have been content to ignore all their violence, the erosion of free speech and the censorship of social media.

In the current political climate, I believe it is necessary to reevaluate the prudence and wisdom of public activism and change our tactics. For starters, I don’t believe it is necessary or wise to announce public events in advance. This only gives our opposition advance notice and time to mobilize their radicalized supporters to engage in violence and create a climate of fear in the communities in which we are attempting to organize. It is not in our interest to absorb the costs of the anti-Trump backlash.

Insofar as we continue to engage in public activism during the Trump presidency, I believe that future events ought to be invitation only, unannounced and privately coordinated. This change in tactics will prevent violent Antifa from mobilizing to oppose our activists. We will have the opportunity to actually engage the public which we didn’t have when we were treated like caged animals in Pikeville, KY, New Orleans, LA and Shelbyville, TN. The costs of painting a target on our backs outweigh the benefits.

I believe everyone in the League of the South will agree that we need to adjust our tactics. The easiest way to fight Antifa is to deny them intelligence and targets to mobilize against. We should steer clear of violent leftists and cut them out of our events so that they will be forced to redirect their harassment to mainstream conservative targets.

Charlottesville

The League of the South’s experience in Charlottesville shows why this is necessary. We announced that we were participating in a public rally months in advance. This gave violent Antifa groups from across the country months to organize and mobilize their supporters to come to Charlottesville to attack our group with all kinds of weapons. It also gave Charottesville officials the excuse they needed to cancel the rally.

In hindsight, I think we failed to appreciate that Charlottesville was demographically the most radically leftwing city in the South. We couldn’t have picked a worse place to hold such a large event in all of Dixie. We failed to anticipate that elected officials in Charlottesville were cowed and hostage to violent Antifa groups. We failed to anticipate that the Charlottesville Police Department and Virginia State Police would stand behind barricades and give violent Antifa a free hand to incite a riot. We failed to anticipate that the corruption in Charlottesville had extended its tentacles into all public institutions.

In Charlottesville, we assumed that with a federal court order we would be allowed to exercise our constitutional right to free assembly as American citizens. We failed to anticipate the degree to which the radicalization of the Left under the Trump presidency meant that the norms of law and order had been suspended in some places. Nothing symbolizes this misconception more than how the Alt-Right cheered in Charlottesville when riot police marched into Lee Park. They assumed that the riot police were being sent in to quell the Antifa engaging in street violence, but instead they were used to clear Lee Park by pushing out the peaceful Alt-Right demonstrators into the crowd of Antifa. The police on duty in Charlottesville were ordered to escalate the violence.

While several League of the South members were returning to their vehicles in the Market Street Parking Garage, they were pursued and assaulted in front of the Charlottesville Police Department in full view of Charlottesville Police Officers. These police officers failed to arrest the suspects which they had witnessed engaging in aggravated assault on their own doorstep. DeAndre Harris raised over $160,000 on GoFundMe. He walked away from that incident scot free while our brother Tyler Davis now faces being sent to prison.

Charlottesville illustrated in vivid detail the folly of trusting the ability of law enforcement in leftwing strongholds to maintain the peace at these events. We can’t trust elected officials in super leftwing cities to respect our constitutional rights. We can’t trust the judicial system in these cities to be fair and impartial. We’ve been taking for granted our constitutional rights as American citizens which violent leftwing gangs have been given the green light to nullify by sympathetic Democratic local officials.

There is nothing for the League of the South to gain from hosting public events in such demographically hostile cities which are announced months in advance. We can’t win in such places. We are only putting ourselves at risk by going there under those unfavorable conditions. It is neither prudent or wise for the League of the South to participate in public rallies in cities like Charlottesville, VA where few of our people even live.

I believe there is a consensus now in the League of the South that we should only hold public rallies in cities where we can recruit and organize potential sympathizers. If we are going to invest time and resources in public activism, we should go to where those people live.

Alliances

From 2013 to 2016 the League of the South steered clear of forming alliances with other groups, but in 2017 at Pikeville we joined the Nationalist Front. In hindsight, I believe we did this out of a spirit of solidarity in a climate of rising leftwing political violence. In such a hostile environment, we began to see the value of strength in numbers and the ugly face of a violent, deranged common enemy.

In 2017, we began to participate in demonstrations with other groups who have different ideologies and agendas, but the price of the greater security at our public demonstrations was the costs of guilt by association. The implosion of the Traditionalist Worker Party in a sordid public sex scandal was one of the things which illustrated the costs of this alignment. We have paid a heavy price for ceding control of our public image.

Is there anything to be gained by participating in these public rallies where we are treated like caged animals and prevented from interacting with the public? I don’t think so. I believe we should discontinue this type of public activism. For the time being, I believe we should host our own private, invitation-only, unannounced public events. We need to reassert control over the messaging and images of our public events. James Fields, Jr., a young man from Ohio who none of us knew, showed the negative impact that unvetted people who aren’t under our control can have on our public events.

The last year has shown that we would be better off just showing up unannounced in cities like Shelbyville, TN and Newnan, GA. We could spend the whole day interacting with the public in cities across a region like Middle Tennessee or North Georgia which would be much more receptive to our message without violent Antifa tagging along and creating a siege mentality in the communities in which we are organizing.

The Alt-Right

In 2017, we aligned ourselves with the Alt-Right, and I now believe that those who had misgivings about this alignment were justified.

The fallout from the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville illustrated the lack of solidarity and cohesion in the Alt-Right movement. Many of our allies in the Alt-Right scapegoated the League of the South for the “bad optics” of Charlottesville. They announced that they were rebranding themselves as American Nationalists.

In the months after Charlottesville, many prominent voices in the Alt-Right have embraced the incel and MGTOW movement. Some have embraced miscegenation out of hatred and loathing of White women. They sneer about the bad optics of the White working class, denigrate Christianity and show contempt for their elders while wrapping themselves in the flag of the US federal government. They have publicly rejected the estate of marriage and discourage young men from starting their own families.

In short, many prominent voices in the Alt-Right showed how much they reject our faith-centered, family-centered, folk-centered worldview. In light of these developments, I have since come to regret jumping on that bandwagon. While I still believe we share some common beliefs on race, I am much more aware now of our cultural differences.

I don’t think we should continue to stray from our identity as Southern Nationalists. I believe we were more successful in appealing to our own people when we presented ourselves as purely Southern and nothing else. I believe we should return to what works and leave the baggage of internet trolls and nihilists to their own corners of the internet.

Donald Trump

In hindsight, I consider supporting Donald Trump another one of my regrets, and now believe the League was correct not to support his candidacy.

While I was right that the Trump presidency would be intensely polarizing, I was wrong that the average Southerner would undergo a political awakening. According to the latest polls, 90% of Republicans support the Trump presidency and that was before the announcement this week that Justice Anthony Kennedy is retiring from the Supreme Court. The average Southern Republican has dozed off and gone back to sleep while his heritage is being systematically destroyed and the First Amendment is being eroded.

President Trump has failed to build his wall which was his signature campaign issue. He has failed to make any meaningful changes to our immigration system. He used populist rhetoric about immigration and trade in order to push the standard conservative agenda of tax cuts and greater military spending through Congress. He has succeeded in deregulating banks for donors who are now fully invested in his presidency. He has done countless things for Israel, but our own borders remain porous.

While I am happy about some aspects of the Trump presidency (for instance, peace with North Korea), I believe he has been far more devastating for our Confederate monuments and free speech than Barack Obama. I don’t believe we have reaped any benefits that are worth the costs. As I predicted at the Arkansas State Conference, we have been absorbing the costs of this political polarization at our demonstrations. We need to make long overdue adjustments to this new reality.

Social Media and Crowdfunding Websites

The precarious foothold we had established on social media and crowdfunding platforms came to a crashing end in 2017.

This is another cost to our movement of the anti-Trump backlash. It was going on long before Charlottesville too. I’m going to count our demise on Facebook as a hidden blessing. I gave an entire speech at last year’s conference in which I lamented how that platform has been misused to sow division and foster in infighting. Facebook was also an invaluable tool that our enemies used to engage in data mining and doxing.

We should be thankful that Mark Zuckerberg has kicked us out of his community. I would argue that the costs of remaining on Facebook outweighed the benefits. We continue to think of ourselves as normal, ordinary people when we should be thinking ourselves as political dissidents. Discord was an even worse and insecure platform than Facebook, but thankfully we never made much use of it.

The loss of access to crowdfunding platforms has been a real financial blow. It ought to teach us a lesson in free-market economics. In the contemporary United States, the free-market consists of two or three leftwing controlled corporate monopolies which are more than willing to use their concentrated economic power in order to harm our community to virtue signal to their to their fellow leftists. We can count on the U.S. Post Office, but not on private crowdfunding platforms like PayPal or Stripe.

What Now?

I used to believe that had to get out there and “do something.”

I believed we had to go into the public square and assert our identity and values. We had to break these evil taboos. We had to defiantly assert our will as a nation to continue to exist as a distinct people on this earth. As a nation, we are headed toward the abyss and those of us who love our people are desperate to change this suicidal course.

Lately, I have been having some second thoughts about this noble, but naive worldview. I’ve begun to wonder if this dystopia we are living through is the just chastisement of an angry, righteous Almighty God. I look at our people who have forsaken their God, who no longer honor their mothers and fathers, who murder their own children and call it “liberty,” who would be proud, patriotic citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah, which they would toast for being “free” and “tolerant” and “modern” and “progressive.” Have you ever wondered if people who are so indifferent to the fate of their own children and their own folk deserve this punishment because of their own wickedness?

In its final days, the degenerate Roman Empire deserved to fall to the barbarians. Now it is America’s turn to lay on its own funeral pyre, a victim of its own ideology, liberal democracy. If ever there was a nation in history which deserved to fall, it is this one, which defies natural law by calling “good” by the name evil and “evil” by the name of good, and which justifies every sin under the cloak of “individual freedom.” The country in which we live holds up moral degenerates as role models. These celebrities have millions of social media followers and set the tone of America’s debased popular culture. Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, not people like us, have the ear of the President of the United States.

We are a hated, besieged minority in this dying country – no more than 3% of the population. A common theme that runs through our misfortunes is our failure to recognize how we are strangers in this land. We want to think of ourselves as normal people with all the rights of other American citizens, but we are no longer the mainstream. Instead, it is evil, perversion and injustice that is normal and flourishes in this country, which if our religion is true must be an abomination in God’s eyes. Have you ever thought about what America must look like in God’s eyes? Is there anything we can do to forestall God’s damning judgment?

I believe we should repent, and try to separate ourselves as far as possible from the abomination that is modern America. We’ve tried voting. We’ve tried protesting. This system isn’t going to be reformed and it has never listened to us. When we protest something, we operate on the assumption that American politicians care about what we think, which isn’t true. They only care about serving their donors. The Southern people are sunk in their own personal lives and try to avoid thinking about their future. We’re never going to rouse them to action with a Republican in the White House who is perceived to be successful.

We still have a great task before us, but it involves returning to our roots. We need to become an intellectual movement again. We need to offer our people an alternative vision and way of life. I believe that we have neglected that due to our singleminded focus on public activism. I think we need to emulate the church and focus on morality and education. We’re not producing nearly as much Southern Nationalist content as we need to be. A lost generation is growing up that has been severed from its roots and lacks moral guidance. It doesn’t even know what morality is anymore because it has never been exposed to it.

I don’t think we have taken advantage of all the activities we can hold on private property. It would be nice to have other buildings like this one in other Southern states. We’ve been too focused on forcing the world to change and not enough on developing and articulating our own beliefs and making a persuasive case for them. While I believe we should still hold public events, I don’t believe that public activism should be our primary focus. I’ve found that private family gatherings are the most enjoyable activities I engage in these days. We have sons and daughters to raise and they need to be brought up among peers.

I think we have been putting the cart before the horse. Southern identity is extremely weak and our people lack the strength and will to rise up. They lack a sense of national consciousness. They have too much faith in the system. They lack a sense of moral urgency. They even believe Trump is Making America Great Again. It isn’t true. Nothing about our fate has really changed, but normal people will grasp that comfort blanket to shield themselves from having to face hard truths. These things have to change before we can start to accomplish our goals.

It is the responsibility of the League to articulate and nurture our Southern identity and to show why Americanism has failed and is doomed in the long run. We have to show our fellow Southerners that a better world is possible than this one to entice them to move into a new paradigm. We have to be able to clearly explain to them what is the right way to live and what is the wrong to live and why this is the case. Finally, we have to create an atmosphere that will make more people comfortable and willing to join us. We always have to keep in mind that we are a hated, stigmatized minority.

We’re not accomplishing this by being locked behind steel cages and metal detectors, fighting off frivilous lawsuits or by wrestling with violent leftwing fanatics in the streets. I believe that offering a sense of identity and place, deep roots, new ideas, a new ethos, content and fellowship is a better alternative for our people who are trying to untangle their lives from the abomination. In the year ahead, I believe we should focus more on ourselves and less on the world.

Thank you.

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  1. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Nice to see that Giffin has returned from the wilderness. Unfortunately, he didn’t bring a plan along with him.

    Randomly protesting in obscure rural areas isn’t going to do anything; why does he not understand this? He’s been advocating this “protest” nonsense for years and not only has it had no impact at all, it has done tremendous harm. Lives have been destroyed and your movement discredited. Is this a ploy to solicit donations from supporters or a real effort?

    You need to win the hearts and minds of a broad coalition. The best way to do that? A Southern independence movement. Form a political party and use it to organize and build an alternate governing apparatus. Use that apparatus to secede.

    This has the following advantages:

    1. Purges the spergs. Too many neo-Nazi, autistic dorks hang around the fringes of the far right. They need to be diluted out with a higher class supporter. You don’t do that with appeals to the kinds of things that neo-Nazis and spergs like to do: march around and make fools of themselves.

    2. Gives cover for organizing a resistance. People naturally form groups and group loyalties. It is easier to withstand social pressure if you have a set of easily identified supporters along with you. The way things sit now, it is easy to dox and destroy individuals. It’s harder to destroy a group than a person, and individuals are more willing to sacrifice for groups than they are for single individuals or a nebulous ideology.

    3. An explicit Southern independence movement will be harder to attack than the alt-right, white nationalists or neo-Nazis in general because any attack on self-styled Southern patriots will be construed by a lot of fence sitters as a subtle attack on them personally. Each attack by outsiders will draw in more supporters.

    Everyone wants to think of himself as a “good guy.” Hence, any movement incorporating elements of Nazis will fail. Good to see that Griffin has taken this to heart, purging his website of some Nazi imagery in the comments. Like I said, too many spergs.

    Portraying yourselves as the “good guys” (victims of oppression by outsiders) is a great way to attract normies. Make your enemies the bad guys and make sure your audience knows you are the good guys fighting the good fight against oppression.

    4. Lends credibility. People want to see competence before they hand over the keys to power. Sticking to alt-right websites will not inspire confidence. Something similar is seen with Washington think tanks. Creating a party of smart, dedicated people is a good place to start.

    5. Creates a welcoming refuge for outcasts, making it more likely that people join, rather than defect, to your movement upon attack.

    6. Divides the republican party and sets you up to become the de facto resistance. Eventually in this rigged two-party system, people will have to start choosing between the GOP and your independence party. Once the GOP can never win the White House again, there will be nothing stopping Southerners from supporting you over people who can’t win anyway. You should see that in advance and plan accordingly.

    7. The promise of reform. The government is extremely corrupt; the media is extremely corrupt. So much so that only fundamental reform – a new country – can change it. This will attract some additional supporters.

    8. A future of our own. White suicide is at all time highs, mainly because your people have no future in the Empire. Give them an alternative option where they do, and they will flock to your banner. A new independent country explicitly based on your ethnicity – perhaps with promises to let other European Americans move there after independence – will give people something to fight for. If Israel can have a home land, why can’t you?

    9. Funding and support will come. Eventually, foreign governments will find a way to clandestinely back you. Before then, a political party will make it easier to raise money domestically for various reasons.

    10. Safety from oppression. The alt-left will inevitably strike back against Trump and his supporters in vile, illegal ways. People will look for defenders from this attack, drawing in more supporters to you.

    …I could go on. This well is potentially very deep, but your side lacks the intellectual depth to go after it.

    What I am advocating is EXACTLY what the Zionists of the 1920s – 40s advocated, and look how that worked out for them; they have a home of their own now! Why are you any different? Again, is this a ploy for donations or something actually serious?

    The point is that Trump has proved that there is still fight left in core America. Channel it, use it. Continue with this delusion that you’re going to take back America and you will lose everything. Cut your loses and win at least something. Don’t give up either and live like the whites do in South Africa.

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    Again, is this a ploy for donations or something actually serious?
     
    Former.

    B.T.W. wouldn't attempt to organize a party with secession as platform be illegal?
    Usually is.

    If that's the case, feels suicidal.

    For now.

    , @Saxon
    Highly naive and optimistic. Any white resistance period to these programs can and will simply be branded as "neo-nazi" by the media propaganda monopoly. Plenty of intellectual arguments have been made for decades which you dismiss out of hand but the public never gets to hear them and your perception of everyone thus far as "neo-nazi spergs and goons" are formed, and government force against such people has consent manufactured and legitimated. What makes you think it would be any different here until genuine whites are a low enough percentage of the population to simply be mass exterminated with direct violence.
    , @Echoes of History
    Purges the spergs...autistic dorks...

    In other words, you want to purge Systemizing (as opposed to Empathizing) White Males.

    Baron-Cohen and associates say the E-S theory is a better predictor than gender of who chooses STEM subjects (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics).[2] The E-S theory has been extended into the 'Extreme Male Brain' (EMB) theory of autism and Asperger syndrome, which are associated in the E-S theory with below-average empathy and average or above-average systemizing.[3]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathizing–systemizing_theory
     
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  2. David JW says:

    A really bad idea to devote this article to attacking the AltRight and falsely claiming the AltRight supports MiGTOWs and Incels. The League of the South are just cucks.

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    If you actually sit down and read, say, Anglin, you immidiately see that he is openly sympathetic to the incels and their problems. Mingtao bullshit(or whatever this attention seeking form is called) was made fun of from the beginning on the AR.
    , @FKA Max

    A really bad idea to devote this article to attacking the AltRight and falsely claiming the AltRight supports MiGTOWs and Incels.

     

    I highly respect Hunter Wallace/Brad Griffin, that being said I agree with your sentiment and observation, except for the "cucks" part.

    The implosion of the Traditionalist Worker Party in a sordid public sex scandal was one of the things which illustrated the costs of this alignment.
     
    This is what I wrote about TWP and the Alt Right a few months ago:

    I believe that the unraveling of the Traditionalist Worker Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_Worker_Party is a positive development for the movement, a much-needed “cleansing”, so to speak. I commented a few months ago that I thought that “the movement is in a better place and shape than it has ever been in before”, and I specifically identified the Traditionalist Worker Party as one of the biggest liabilities to the movement back then:


    To me personally, groups like the “Traditionalist Worker Party” are the most unhelpful faction within the movement…
     
    – http://www.unz.com/video/ramzpaul_8-questions-answered-sargon-of-akkads-survey/#comment-2143506

    What, logically, follows from this, I believe, is that the movement is in an even better place and in better shape than it was earlier this year (I wrote the comment on January 4, 2018).
     

    - https://www.unz.com/article/alt-right-not-self-destructing-its-just-been-mugged-by-government-antifa-alliance/#comment-2281296

    And I believe I'm correct.

    The Alt Right message has gone mainstream, and I believe Brad Griffin has not realized that yet.

    This does not mean however that people like himself or Richard Spencer have gone mainstream or will ever go mainstream. They and we are and were just the first wave of messengers of white European empowerment and then others we inspired took on the message and carried it forward to bigger, receptive audiences of whites of European descent.

    The best example of this mainstreaming of the Alt Right worldview is the example of Lauren Southern. Her reporting and activism on the European immigration invasion and the struggle of South African whites has brought white advocacy and nationalism into the mainstream by way of Fox News, Tucker Carlson in particular, the Donald Trump administration and other nationalist parties in Europe and elsewhere, etc.

    FARMLANDS (2018) Official Documentary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_bDc7FfItk

    Vindicated! Europe Stops Migrant Boats.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WppMC8jgFE


    My suggestion to Brad Griffin and associates is to disband the League of the South. It is an outdated model, won't succeed in any meaningful way to effect societal change and will likely end up like the Traditionalist Worker Party sooner or later.

    This video was the moment when I knew the Alt Right had gone mainstream:

    Donald Trump Will Stop Zionism and Immigration | TYT Politics

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMLg_0vAefo

    The Young Turks
    Published on Nov 2, 2016

    Happy Fourth!

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  3. peterAUS says:
    @Anon
    Nice to see that Giffin has returned from the wilderness. Unfortunately, he didn't bring a plan along with him.

    Randomly protesting in obscure rural areas isn't going to do anything; why does he not understand this? He's been advocating this "protest" nonsense for years and not only has it had no impact at all, it has done tremendous harm. Lives have been destroyed and your movement discredited. Is this a ploy to solicit donations from supporters or a real effort?

    You need to win the hearts and minds of a broad coalition. The best way to do that? A Southern independence movement. Form a political party and use it to organize and build an alternate governing apparatus. Use that apparatus to secede.

    This has the following advantages:

    1. Purges the spergs. Too many neo-Nazi, autistic dorks hang around the fringes of the far right. They need to be diluted out with a higher class supporter. You don't do that with appeals to the kinds of things that neo-Nazis and spergs like to do: march around and make fools of themselves.

    2. Gives cover for organizing a resistance. People naturally form groups and group loyalties. It is easier to withstand social pressure if you have a set of easily identified supporters along with you. The way things sit now, it is easy to dox and destroy individuals. It's harder to destroy a group than a person, and individuals are more willing to sacrifice for groups than they are for single individuals or a nebulous ideology.

    3. An explicit Southern independence movement will be harder to attack than the alt-right, white nationalists or neo-Nazis in general because any attack on self-styled Southern patriots will be construed by a lot of fence sitters as a subtle attack on them personally. Each attack by outsiders will draw in more supporters.

    Everyone wants to think of himself as a "good guy." Hence, any movement incorporating elements of Nazis will fail. Good to see that Griffin has taken this to heart, purging his website of some Nazi imagery in the comments. Like I said, too many spergs.

    Portraying yourselves as the "good guys" (victims of oppression by outsiders) is a great way to attract normies. Make your enemies the bad guys and make sure your audience knows you are the good guys fighting the good fight against oppression.

    4. Lends credibility. People want to see competence before they hand over the keys to power. Sticking to alt-right websites will not inspire confidence. Something similar is seen with Washington think tanks. Creating a party of smart, dedicated people is a good place to start.

    5. Creates a welcoming refuge for outcasts, making it more likely that people join, rather than defect, to your movement upon attack.

    6. Divides the republican party and sets you up to become the de facto resistance. Eventually in this rigged two-party system, people will have to start choosing between the GOP and your independence party. Once the GOP can never win the White House again, there will be nothing stopping Southerners from supporting you over people who can't win anyway. You should see that in advance and plan accordingly.

    7. The promise of reform. The government is extremely corrupt; the media is extremely corrupt. So much so that only fundamental reform - a new country - can change it. This will attract some additional supporters.

    8. A future of our own. White suicide is at all time highs, mainly because your people have no future in the Empire. Give them an alternative option where they do, and they will flock to your banner. A new independent country explicitly based on your ethnicity - perhaps with promises to let other European Americans move there after independence - will give people something to fight for. If Israel can have a home land, why can't you?

    9. Funding and support will come. Eventually, foreign governments will find a way to clandestinely back you. Before then, a political party will make it easier to raise money domestically for various reasons.

    10. Safety from oppression. The alt-left will inevitably strike back against Trump and his supporters in vile, illegal ways. People will look for defenders from this attack, drawing in more supporters to you.

    ...I could go on. This well is potentially very deep, but your side lacks the intellectual depth to go after it.

    What I am advocating is EXACTLY what the Zionists of the 1920s - 40s advocated, and look how that worked out for them; they have a home of their own now! Why are you any different? Again, is this a ploy for donations or something actually serious?

    The point is that Trump has proved that there is still fight left in core America. Channel it, use it. Continue with this delusion that you're going to take back America and you will lose everything. Cut your loses and win at least something. Don't give up either and live like the whites do in South Africa.

    Again, is this a ploy for donations or something actually serious?

    Former.

    B.T.W. wouldn’t attempt to organize a party with secession as platform be illegal?
    Usually is.

    If that’s the case, feels suicidal.

    For now.

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    "B.T.W. wouldn’t attempt to organize a party with secession as platform be illegal?"

    Actually, no. That's NATO propaganda, don't fall for it. All you have to do - first you might have to deal with the reflex indoctrinated into the old timers - is distinguish between municipal law and jus cogens.

    The US government might cite US municipal law to prohibit secession. But the ICJ's Kosovo advisory opinion of 22 July 2010 held that national self-determination accords with customary and conventional international law. The former is US state and federal common law. The latter is equivalent to federal statute. (That is the Supreme Court's The Paquete Habana decision.) In particular, self-determination of peoples is supreme law of the land with which domestic law at all levels must come into conformity.

    All you need to do to be a sovereign state is accept the concomitant responsibility. Sovereignty is nothing more than responsibility - that is the consensus of the entire world, affirmed by acclamation. The US government has failed to accept responsibility and forfeited its sovereignty. Just pick up the mantle the US government dropped, and the whole world will be with you. You have to do it anyway, or no country is going to recognize you and you'll never get loose of the US parasite state.

    How? Easy. You accede to the Rome Statute, the UN Charter, and the International Bill of Human Rights. Write them into your constitution by reference. Now before everybody backs up and makes a crucifix with your fingers, take a look. It's a much better deal than your obsolete crap bill of rights. It's the only way you can protect your cultural rights.

    https://ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/UniversalHumanRightsInstruments.aspx

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  4. Saxon says:
    @Anon
    Nice to see that Giffin has returned from the wilderness. Unfortunately, he didn't bring a plan along with him.

    Randomly protesting in obscure rural areas isn't going to do anything; why does he not understand this? He's been advocating this "protest" nonsense for years and not only has it had no impact at all, it has done tremendous harm. Lives have been destroyed and your movement discredited. Is this a ploy to solicit donations from supporters or a real effort?

    You need to win the hearts and minds of a broad coalition. The best way to do that? A Southern independence movement. Form a political party and use it to organize and build an alternate governing apparatus. Use that apparatus to secede.

    This has the following advantages:

    1. Purges the spergs. Too many neo-Nazi, autistic dorks hang around the fringes of the far right. They need to be diluted out with a higher class supporter. You don't do that with appeals to the kinds of things that neo-Nazis and spergs like to do: march around and make fools of themselves.

    2. Gives cover for organizing a resistance. People naturally form groups and group loyalties. It is easier to withstand social pressure if you have a set of easily identified supporters along with you. The way things sit now, it is easy to dox and destroy individuals. It's harder to destroy a group than a person, and individuals are more willing to sacrifice for groups than they are for single individuals or a nebulous ideology.

    3. An explicit Southern independence movement will be harder to attack than the alt-right, white nationalists or neo-Nazis in general because any attack on self-styled Southern patriots will be construed by a lot of fence sitters as a subtle attack on them personally. Each attack by outsiders will draw in more supporters.

    Everyone wants to think of himself as a "good guy." Hence, any movement incorporating elements of Nazis will fail. Good to see that Griffin has taken this to heart, purging his website of some Nazi imagery in the comments. Like I said, too many spergs.

    Portraying yourselves as the "good guys" (victims of oppression by outsiders) is a great way to attract normies. Make your enemies the bad guys and make sure your audience knows you are the good guys fighting the good fight against oppression.

    4. Lends credibility. People want to see competence before they hand over the keys to power. Sticking to alt-right websites will not inspire confidence. Something similar is seen with Washington think tanks. Creating a party of smart, dedicated people is a good place to start.

    5. Creates a welcoming refuge for outcasts, making it more likely that people join, rather than defect, to your movement upon attack.

    6. Divides the republican party and sets you up to become the de facto resistance. Eventually in this rigged two-party system, people will have to start choosing between the GOP and your independence party. Once the GOP can never win the White House again, there will be nothing stopping Southerners from supporting you over people who can't win anyway. You should see that in advance and plan accordingly.

    7. The promise of reform. The government is extremely corrupt; the media is extremely corrupt. So much so that only fundamental reform - a new country - can change it. This will attract some additional supporters.

    8. A future of our own. White suicide is at all time highs, mainly because your people have no future in the Empire. Give them an alternative option where they do, and they will flock to your banner. A new independent country explicitly based on your ethnicity - perhaps with promises to let other European Americans move there after independence - will give people something to fight for. If Israel can have a home land, why can't you?

    9. Funding and support will come. Eventually, foreign governments will find a way to clandestinely back you. Before then, a political party will make it easier to raise money domestically for various reasons.

    10. Safety from oppression. The alt-left will inevitably strike back against Trump and his supporters in vile, illegal ways. People will look for defenders from this attack, drawing in more supporters to you.

    ...I could go on. This well is potentially very deep, but your side lacks the intellectual depth to go after it.

    What I am advocating is EXACTLY what the Zionists of the 1920s - 40s advocated, and look how that worked out for them; they have a home of their own now! Why are you any different? Again, is this a ploy for donations or something actually serious?

    The point is that Trump has proved that there is still fight left in core America. Channel it, use it. Continue with this delusion that you're going to take back America and you will lose everything. Cut your loses and win at least something. Don't give up either and live like the whites do in South Africa.

    Highly naive and optimistic. Any white resistance period to these programs can and will simply be branded as “neo-nazi” by the media propaganda monopoly. Plenty of intellectual arguments have been made for decades which you dismiss out of hand but the public never gets to hear them and your perception of everyone thus far as “neo-nazi spergs and goons” are formed, and government force against such people has consent manufactured and legitimated. What makes you think it would be any different here until genuine whites are a low enough percentage of the population to simply be mass exterminated with direct violence.

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  5. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    “Former.”

    Unfortunately, I have to agree. Hence, their insistence on this stupid and unproductive marching thing. It’s just a way to get attention, and therefore, donations from readers.

    “B.T.W. wouldn’t attempt to organize a party with secession as platform be illegal?
    Usually is.”

    Not quite. There is a lot of legal room there. For example, lots of voter oaths state that citizens may not overthrow the government using “illegal”means. Interpret that as you will.

    In any case, it would be very good for the government to crack down on such an effort as it would completely delegitimize their authority and expose them as the authoritarians they are; this would further radicalize things.

    Further, Cal-Exit types have already set the precedent; there is even a left wing comic book with that title floating around. Until they are hauled away to prison, you can’t really lecture anyone about not doing the same.

    If Yugoslavia can break apart with US help, what legal justification could the Empire really use to keep a couple of Southern states from doing the same?

    “If that’s the case, feels suicidal.”

    There is a way to get it done peacefully. Just take over a state government, organize the military to support only that government and people, put secession on the ballot, use the military and police to enforce it when you win (and encourage the public to fight in the streets if necessary, offer full pardons to those who do). In other words, use the political party to take over the levers of government and cultural power, then use them against your enemy.

    This is EXACTLY what the radical left has done.

    They control the media and use them to brainwash people for their ends (see late night propaganda shows on network), they have a suite of control organizations dedicated to shutting down free speech and later justifying it using legal technicalities (ADL, SPLC, etc.), they use lawfare to shut down dissidents, they purge wrong thinkers from social media, they dox and purge dissidents (sometimes with corporate help), they ban websites they don’t like (Daily Stormer – yeah, you can hate Anglin’s guts but the guy should have a right to express himself; how many BLM websites have been shut down?), they promote intimidation rallies against our people by attacking our monuments, they get people fired for exercising their constitutionally protected speech while defending their side when others want to do the same to them (Samantha Bee), they attack us as racists while forbidding us to even point out their hypocrisy on the subject….

    The whole system is geared towards making people think they have freedoms that they really do not have. If the wrong people express themselves, they are mercilessly destroyed. Meanwhile, leftist racists run wild doing the same with no consequences or national media attention. See Evergreen State as an example.

    The whole corrupt system is geared toward allowing some people to discriminate against others while forbidding their victims from doing the same in turn.

    Has any leftist been fired for those hateful statue riots? Lots of right wingers have.

    Has any leftist been fired for advocating Cal-Exit? Has corporate America boycotted leftwing racist websites for their role in the Ferguson Effect, now basically proved true along with another study proving white cops do not target blacks? They boycotted Breitbart. Have they boycotted Huffington Compost, Salon, or the Young Turks?

    The right lost the culture war because they face an enemy that has done exactly this to them while they sat crowing about “muh freedoms” and “private enterprise.” You can’t win a war with one hand tied behind your back; you can’t be a good guy if your enemy is determined to be the bad guy.

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    In theory, you are correct.

    Me, personally, I'll start believing into slim chance of a secession when see ex US Military flag officers, in favor of secession, writing articles, essays, creating think tanks and stuff like that.
    Flag.

    Your Yugoslavia example is actually a good one. Secession was supported, ultimately, by US Government and, more importantly, by US Military.
    Kosovo would never have seceeded without aggression on Yugoslavia.

    So, I've been reading, on Internet, ex-NCOs, some Lieutenants, a couple of Captains, a Major here and there, even a couple of Lt Cols and full birds. Even they don't mention that word in their critiques of Empire.

    When you/we see former Joint Chiefs of Staff writing position papers supporting secession then I'll buy that the game could...could...become serious.
    When they organize a think tank I'd even try apply for a position of a very small analyst in that outfit. Very low level, for a matter or two.

    Till then just a good science fiction.

    , @dfordoom

    There is a way to get it done peacefully. Just take over a state government, organize the military to support only that government and people, put secession on the ballot, use the military and police to enforce it when you win (and encourage the public to fight in the streets if necessary, offer full pardons to those who do).
     
    Wow, I never realised it would be so easy. Just take over a state government? That should be dead simple. I'm sure lots of state governments would be willing to just hand over power. And then effectively taking over the military. Just too easy.
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  6. Anonymous[104] • Disclaimer says:

    “In the months after Charlottesville, many prominent voices in the Alt-Right have embraced the incel and MGTOW movement. Some have embraced miscegenation out of hatred and loathing of White women. They sneer about the bad optics of the White working class, denigrate Christianity and show contempt for their elders while wrapping themselves in the flag of the US federal government. They have publicly rejected the estate of marriage and discourage young men from starting their own families.

    In short, many prominent voices in the Alt-Right showed how much they reject our faith-centered, family-centered, folk-centered worldview. In light of these developments, I have since come to regret jumping on that bandwagon. While I still believe we share some common beliefs on race, I am much more aware now of our cultural differences.

    I don’t think we should continue to stray from our identity as Southern Nationalists. I believe we were more successful in appealing to our own people when we presented ourselves as purely Southern and nothing else. I believe we should return to what works and leave the baggage of internet trolls and nihilists to their own corners of the internet.”

    Ignoring a problem does not make it go away. When it comes to race, we all understand this. The defining feature of mainstream conservatism is a belief that by ignoring race, by being “colorblind,” the problem will go away. It only gets worse. But a lot of WNs behave the same way toward the Woman Question. They think if they just ignore White women’s bad behavior, it’ll go away, that the problem is not with women but with those evil sexists non-family-oriented men who notice the problem. But it won’t. In fact, the only way to restore patriarchy is to understand that the modern system of marriage is not traditional, but explicitly anti-traditional, and that this is just as much the case within Christianity as without.

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    "...They think if they just ignore White women’s bad behavior, it’ll go away,..."

    Definitely true. A lot of the criticism of MGTOW is that you should be strong Men, game your wife so on and so forth but...why? Why should you have to constantly be on edge in what, marriage, was supposed to be a system for both Men and Women to raise a family in. If the system is broken where Men have no "legal" control over their lives and their offspring then maybe we ought to change the system or refuse to participate in it. Men have enough problems we don't need any more burdens placed on us. Originally Men exchanged excess labor for offspring and taking care of the wife and kids. If the wife left he got the kids. If Men lose the kids and still have to maintain the finances of the family, assuming no fault, then this is bum deal and shouldn't be entered in to.

    Now there is a solution. Instead of working within the system go around it. Get a law passed to have more than one kind of marriage. Call it the super duper Platinum marriage or whatever and make it the same as the old marriage where the husband can't be thrown to the wolves and if there's a divorce the husband gets the kids. No divorce without fault. Most important charge more for it. Leave the old no-fault courthouse wedding in place and see just how many people pick the the no-fault walk away marriage as opposed to the new forever marriage. Best of all no one can bitch about people choosing what type marriage they want.
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  7. WHAT says:
    @David JW
    A really bad idea to devote this article to attacking the AltRight and falsely claiming the AltRight supports MiGTOWs and Incels. The League of the South are just cucks.

    If you actually sit down and read, say, Anglin, you immidiately see that he is openly sympathetic to the incels and their problems. Mingtao bullshit(or whatever this attention seeking form is called) was made fun of from the beginning on the AR.

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  8. I am reading
    Herwich Wolfram, ‘History of the Goths’, Berkeley 1988, München 1979
    How the Roman empire was unable to withstand the barbarians.
    I wonder if right now the western cultures are unable to withstand today’s barbarians.
    There indeed is a consolation, the Roman culture did not perish.

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    There indeed is a consolation, the Roman culture did not perish.
     
    Yeah, but barbarians were whites.
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  9. Sounds Mormon.

    I know, it sounds like I’m making a joke, and I am… but also consider the relatively widespread power that the LDS Church has grown – with a comparable population and dedication to moral and intellectual fitness. Whatever you may think of their theology (and certain practices), they’re largely characteristic of the exact ideals that Mr. Griffin is promoting.

    How long would it take for the League to go from being politically shunned outcasts and targets of violence to having a state and a major university? At which point, mutually beneficial support would be a natural consideration. Perhaps by that time, other movements will have developed along similar lines.

    Long-term ain’t exciting, and it sounds like speculative fiction right now, but that’s one way that a politically viable, individually healthy, and principled conservative bloc could arise.

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    Good point making a parallel to the Mormons. In my own state I have always been astonished at how the Amish have flourished by following the basics: strong family bonds, hard work, a rigid moral code (all the things the left tries to destroy in modern America).
    , @anonymous
    I/We have written extensively about the Latter Day Saints - Mormon church at Occidental Dissent. I've been a part of the LDS church for 20 years, definitely have their strengths and weaknesses.

    Strengths - good organizations, have resisted most of the cultural/political plagues of the late 1960s - dodged the bullet of feminism. LDS doesn't have full time political priesthood, local church leaders were chosen by the local congregation so there isn't the huge problem of seminaries being taken over by cultural marxists, liberation theology, sexual degenerates as has happened with Catholic church and all mainline protestant churches.

    LDS are good at sports and music - they are terrible, god awful public speakers, extremely boring and this translates in to political leaders like Orin Hatch.

    If you are having problems with insomnia, problems sleeping go for a hike, drink some good red wine then put on a video of Orin Hatch speaking on and on about....

    Nothing.

    LDS Mormon pols are the ultimate cuckservatives - they go along to get along with the system. They would rather get caught in bed with a young boy then ever publicly oppose Neo Conservative Zionist wars.

    LDS Mormons political leaders are God awful - terrible on the lie or die issue of mass non European immigration in to the USA/the West - LDS Mormon pols are really as bad as the Jews on immigration.

    The original LDS Mormons like Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and especially Porter Rockwell were bad asses and pro White racial separatists. But that is now all in the past.

    The LDS Mormon Church is now mostly a club of nice, neat, well dressed people who will tent to agree with whomever is in the room with them at the time.

    The LDS Mormons are really the only American White christians left who are trying to convert every last single non White, non European on planet earth to their Christian faith/denomination which translates on the ground that every single Ameri Indian in Central America, every single Somoan, every single Black African in the Congo wants to join the LDS Mormon Church with the idea that they get to move to the United States and live the life of Donny and Marie Osmond family in Utah or Suburban Chicago.

    Who keeps re-electing John McCaine in Arizona?

    Answer idiot LDS Mormons.

    Who pushed through the Matthew Shepherd Federal Hate Crime/Thought Crime bill?

    Answer: LDS Sen. Harry Reid

    These LDS Mormons now worship Martin Luther King Jr as a saint and I have to hear the Black National Anthem in LDS Church in Obama's Chicago University community.

    Tax exempt organized Christian (in name only) religion isn't working for us these days.
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  10. Brad still exhibits “some” faith in the American people. I wish I could say the same. Orwell warned us of an all-encompassing police state in his novel(road map for The Comintern)1984. Personally I think we are there. Bread and circuses are all that matter to ALL Americans, and any “movement” to awaken the sleeping masses is bound to be penetrated if not completely controlled by the intelligence agency’s. Tell me that these word’s do not describe the path of present day America:

    . . . orthodoxy in the full sense demands a control over one’s own mental processes as complete as that of a contortionist over his body. . . . Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink. The alteration of the past is necessary for two reasons, one of which is subsidiary and, so to speak, precautionary. The subsidiary reason is that the Party member, like the proletarian, tolerates present-day conditions partly because he has no standards of comparison. He must be cut off from the past, just as he must be cut off from foreign countries, because it is necessary for him to believe that he is better off than his ancestors and that the average level of material comfort is constantly rising. But by far the more important reason for the readjustment of the past is the need to safeguard the infallibility of the Party. It is not merely that speeches, statistics, and records of every kind must be constantly brought up to date in order to show that the predictions of the Party were in all cases right. It is also that no change in doctrine or in political alignment can ever be admitted. For to change one’s mind, or even one’s policy, is a confession of weakness. If, for example, Eurasia or Eastasia (whichever it may be) is the enemy today, then that country must always have been the enemy. And if the facts say otherwise, then the facts must be altered. Thus history is continuously rewritten. This dayto- day falsification of the past, carried out by the Ministry of Truth, is as necessary to the stability of the regime as the work of repression and espionage carried out by the Ministry of Love.

    The mutability of the past is the central tenet of Ingsoc [English Socialism, as fully developed in the "Nineteen Eighty-Four" regime]. Past events, it is argued, have no objective existence, but survive only in written records and in human memories. The past is whatever the records and the memories agree upon. And since the Party is in full control of all records, and in equally full control of the minds of its members, it follows that the past is whatever the Party chooses to make it. It also follows that though the past is alterable, it never has been altered in any specific instance. For when it has been recreated in whatever shape is needed at the moment, then this new version is the past, and no different past can ever have existed. This holds good even when, as often happens, the same event has to be altered out of recognition several times in the course of a year. At all times the Party is in possession of absolute truth, and clearly the absolute can never have been different from what it is now. It will be seen that the control of the past depends above all on the training of memory. To make sure that all records agree with the orthodoxy of the moment is merely a mechanical act. But it is also necessary to remember that events happened in the desired manner. And if it is necessary to rearrange one’s memories or to tamper with written records, then it is necessary to forget that one has done so. . .

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  11. “While I am happy about some aspects of the Trump presidency (for instance, peace with North Korea), I believe he has been far more devastating for our Confederate monuments and free speech than Barack Obama. I don’t believe we have reaped any benefits that are worth the costs. As I predicted at the Arkansas State Conference, we have been absorbing the costs of this political polarization at our demonstrations. We need to make long overdue adjustments to this new reality.”

    Whether or not demonstrations by anyone on the right under Trump are less obstructed is irrelevant at this point in time. Obama’s reign in large part led to Trump’s presidency. It had to end after eight years, and only two scenario were possible: Hillary as POTUS, replacing Scalia, Ginsburg, and perhaps two more Justices on the SCOTUS turning it into a Marxist Dinner Club and a rubber stamp for her depredations, nation-wide gun confiscation supported by Conservative Inc. and a ramping up of the third world invasion to make the entire country into California; Or, Trump (white backlash), whose surprise victory may have been (subliminally) welcomed by the Left since it confirms their delusional view of a white America forever ripe for Fascism and gives them license to act out their fantasies of armed resistance to the Brown Shirts running the show. Neither scenario has a happy ending, but I think the most significant post-2016 election event (getting about 24 hours of attention from the MSM) was James Hodgkinson’s attempted mass murder of a couple of dozen Republican Congressmen. This would have been unthinkable even a few short years ago, but with the left at the helm it’s ho-hum-dee-dum. More of this is on the way and not for just the boys on the top. Traditional Americans (not just Southerns) are on their own.

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/09/post-charlottesville-we-are-on-our-own.html

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  12. If ever there was a nation in history which deserved to fall, it is this one, which defies natural law by calling “good” by the name evil and “evil” by the name of good,…

    I think that the author has correctly identified the core problem, and which takes precedence over much of what is written in the remainder of the article.

    Copied below is a cut-and-paste of several linked concepts along the same lines. We are not ever going to be able solve anything if we do not start with the cogno-linguistic manipulation of language.

    The material is focused on the finance business and on the nature of corporations, but it should become increasingly obvious that our world has become virtually saturated with deceitful language in all areas that are truly important.

    Any viable organized resistance to the evils described by Mr. Griffen throughout the article must begin with an understanding of language and its role in our perception of reality. Hope it helps. Tim.
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    1. Humans are highly cogno-linguistic. We perceive reality very largely as a function of the language that we use to describe it. Most everyone inherently believes or assumes that you have to be able to think something before you can say it. The greater reality is that, above a certain base level of perception and communication, you have to have the words and language by which to say something before you can think it.

    2. The world is controlled and administered by people who genuinely believe whatever is necessary for the answer they need. Administrative agents of the entrenched-money-power have solved the criminal-law enigma of mens rea or guilty mind by evolving or devolving (take your pick) into professional schizophrenics who genuinely believe whatever they need to believe for the answer they need, and who communicate among themselves subconsciously by how they name things. They suffer a cogno-linguistically-induced diminished capacity that renders them incapable of perceiving reality beyond labels.

    3. Their core business model or modus operandi is the systematized delusion:

    “A “systematized delusion” is one based on a false premise, pursued by a logical process of reasoning to an insane conclusion ; there being one central delusion, around which other aberrations of the mind converge.” Taylor v. McClintock, 112 S.W. 405, 412, 87 Ark. 243. (West’s Judicial Words and Phrases (1914)).

    The primary false premise and central delusion of the broadly-defined global financial system is that falsifying financial securities (e.g., mortgages and other evidence of debt) to overstate the nominal creditor’s underwriting or nominal investment, and to conceal by omission rebates and other forms of kick-back to the nominal creditors and their solicitors, is not wrongful if the nominal debtor is required to consent to it as a condition of the credit transaction which is itself both funded and secured by the falsified securities; all of which fuels an ever-more-ballooning and ever more massively fraudulent global falsified-security-feed-back-loop.

    Lender (e.g., typical second-mortgage lender): “I will loan you $10,000 at 20% per annum provided that you sign and give to me a marketable security that claims or otherwise purports to evidence that I have loaned you $15,000 at 10% per annum, plus an undisclosed and unregistered side-agreement and cheque (check) back to me for a bonus or credit / loan fee of $5,000 as a payment from the nominal proceeds.”

    To qualify as a professional schizophrenic in the world of finance, you must have at least one personality that is incapable of understanding why that foundational business model – and one essential element of all money-increment / ponzi / kiting schemes in practice – is wrongful and criminal in and of itself. One personality knows and can see that it is obviously wrongful and objectively criminal, while the other must genuinely believe that it is not.

    [Footnote: I am using the term “lender” (and “borrower”) here to demonstrate the fraudulent nature of the process even where the lender is actually loaning pre-existing money. Later I will show that the fraud is compounded again in the case of a “creditor” who is merely insuring or reinsuring the credit that it itself receives from the nominal debtor.]

    [Footnote: In the real world the nominal creditors do not tell you the real interest rate. You have to figure out that part by yourself.]
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    Oscillating contradictions and cogno-linguistic manipulation

    The primary means by which corporate supremacy is achieved and maintained in practice is via the maintenance and use of a small arsenal of about two dozen critical counter-sense or yo-yo-like words / terms that are asserted or claimed to mean either “X” or “Minus-X” at the option of the decision-maker.

    Among the most important and sui generis (in a class of its own) is the word person which is held to mean a living, breathing being of conscience (literally a being of equity) with the rights, powers and privileges of such being (“X”), or else it can mean a corporate entity which is a notional / inanimate item of property to be bought and sold and otherwise traded for profit in the stock and financial markets (“Minus-X”).

    By way of example / demonstration of the ongoing cognitive manipulation process, if someone had managed to hit the judges of the U.S. Supreme Court with a blast of truth-ray just before they announced their decision in Citizens United, here is what we may have got instead:

    [Footnote: Citizens’ United is the U.S. case that decided that corporate political donations are protected free speech under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution because corporations are deemed to be persons in law. The Court ruled that corporate persons have to have the same 1st Amendment rights as their shareholders. But all shareholders are themselves corporate persons (i.e., you cannot own shares as a natural person or living being of conscience). And even if they were not, the vast majority of shares are owned by other conventional corporations. For whatever reason the Court did not address that technicality. Nor, critically, did the Court deal with the impossibility of maintaining shareholder immunity. If a corporation has a right of free speech as an extension of the shareholder, then the shareholder must be held personally liable for the consequences of that speech.]

    We here at the Supreme Court are part of what can be fairly and broadly referred to as an arm of the entrenched-money-power. 

    At certain times and under certain circumstances it is to our enormous advantage over you the masses that corporations be natural-persons-in-law with the rights, powers and privileges of a natural person or living being of conscience. 

    At other times and other circumstances it is to our enormous advantage over you the masses that corporations be items of property that can be actively bought and sold and traded for profit in the stock and financial markets.

    Your laughable naiveté is manifest in your expectation that you are going to receive a definitive answer from this Court, or even that it is possible for us to give you one. Among the foundational purposes of this Court is to actively prevent that question from being answered definitively at all. The instant we give a definitive answer, the game is over.

    Whatever answer we give you must perpetuate the systematized delusion that the same concept (corporate personhood) can mean either X (a living being of conscience), or minus-X (an item of property), depending on the ever-changing needs of the decider. 

    So our current answer is that a corporation is a natural-person-in-law with the rights, powers and privileges of a natural person, except when it isn’t. We’ll let you know next time whether that situation has changed in the meantime.

    Essentially all counter-sense words / terms follow that same template. Notwithstanding that the respective concepts are logically and objectively mutually exclusive, the judges of the Courts (and the broadly-defined financial-world / social-control-structure) maintain that it can be either or both, and we’ll let you know if and when it becomes important.

    So a corporate person has a right of free speech when giving money to influence political parties, but not to object to itself being sold as a piece of property in the stock and financial markets or when it is acquired in a merger or takeover financed by its own assets. If a corporation has the legal capacity and rights of a natural person, then how can it be owned as the legal property of another? The purpose of the Courts is to ensure that that question is never presented in that way.

    But to truly appreciate what happened in Citizens United, we have to go at least one level deeper into the rabbit hole.

    The judges of the Supreme Court effectively ruled that corporations have the same legal status and capacity as natural persons, but conveniently neglected to ask / mention: What kind of natural persons?

    [Footnote: A “natural person” is a contradiction in terms because all “persons” are created by law and not otherwise. But I will play along with the fiction here and for the time being.]

    In law, corporations have the legal capacity of mentally-incompetent (non compos mentis) natural-persons (like a small child / infant or a man or woman in a coma). That is why they have directors and executive officers, and can only be represented in Court by attorneys who are themselves members and representatives of the private for-profit corporation known as the BAR ASSOCIATION(S) whose corporate HQ is the City of London.

    Nelson Rockefeller spelled-it-out for us: “Own nothing. Control everything”.

    With one fell swoop (Citizens United) the judges of the Supreme Court captured a measure of legal control of all corporate assets throughout much of the world on behalf of the BAR ASSOCIATION (or at least whatever remained that was not already under its control). In an ever increasing number of jurisdictions and/or venues even the 100% sole owner and shareholder of a corporation cannot represent the corporation (their own property) in Court.

    Whatever you may believe and whatever your true position, if your attorney is prohibited by the policy of the controlling-minds-in-fact behind the BAR ASSOCIATION from taking such a position, then it cannot even be given voice in Court.

    The controlling-minds-in-fact behind the private business entity known as the BAR ASSOCIATION now ultimately control all corporate assets throughout much of the world, and even the wealthy owners of the corporations have nothing to say about it if and when there arises a conflict between the policy of the owners and the policy of the said controlling minds behind the BAR ASSOCIATION.

    Citizens United was misdirection, where the true rulers got exactly what they wanted without the broader audience even cluing in to what was really going on.

    Cogno-linguistic manipulation for fun and profit

    After person, the remaining most significant counter-sense or yo-yo-like words are (surprise surprise) essentially all money-and-finance-based, and the most important among these is the word principal and its role in facilitating illegal front-loading or ex-temporal fraud (interest illegally and unlawfully compounded in advance).

    Is the amount of principal the actual or net amount advanced by the creditor and received by the debtor for their own use and control? Or is it the amount that the debtor agrees that they owe regardless of the amount received? Is the amount of principal a question of fact? Or of the agreement of parties?

    In the process example used above, what is the principal amount of the loan? Is it $10,000 because that is the factual net amount invested by the creditor and received by the debtor for their own use? Or is it $15,000 because that is the amount that the debtor is required to falsely agree that they have received and owe as a condition of the loan? Or is it $20,000 because that is the total cash-equivalent / money assets ($15,000 mortgage + $5,000 cheque) that the debtor has to give to the creditor?

    Is it a noun / fact? Or is it an adjective / opinion merely pretending to be a noun? All debt and therefore money in the world today depends on the answer to that question that theoretically cannot exist.

    Principal is a special type (and most significant form) of counter-sense word or oscillating contradiction where dictionaries normally only give one sense, while commercial practice defines the contrary. It would be very difficult to put the Whatever-the-debtor-agrees-that-they-owe sense into a dictionary, because the fraud against meaning (as well as the criminal law) is manifest in spelling it out, and ever more so in more specialized financial dictionaries.

    So virtually every legal, financial, accounting, and ordinary English dictionary and/or regulation defines it to the effect “The actual amount invested, loaned or advanced to the debtor / borrower net of any interest, discount, premium or fees”, while virtually every financial security in the real world at least implicitly incorporates the fraudulent alternative / contrary meaning. This in turn allows the academic world to function on the rational / factual definition, while the markets maintain a wholly contradictory deemed or pretended reality, while both remain oblivious to the contradiction.

    Thus principal means the nominal creditor’s actual and net investment, unless it doesn’t. With this class of counter-sense word where there is a necessary and definitive answer, the real job of the judges of the Courts becomes to make certain that the question is never officially asked, and under no circumstances is it to be definitively answered.

    With just one of these words you can theoretically steal the Earth. With a financial system that is relatively saturated with them, such becomes child’s play. With these rules a group of competently-trained chimpanzees otherwise pulling levers at random could do as well as the so-called wizards of Wall Street.

    And significantly, these oscillating contradictions enable the judges to be self-righteous in the extreme on behalf of the entrenched-money-power, while looting the little people of the product of their labour. As in: You have received the principal amount ($10,000) and you are going to pay back the principal amount ($15,000) plus the ever-accumulating (and super-leveraged) interest upon it according to your contract, while the meaning of the word oscillates between fact and opinion – between a noun and an adjective – according to what the judge needs it to mean (or accommodate) at any given instant in time. It seems impossibly obvious in this simple example, but with several of them orchestrated simultaneously or sequentially, anything can truly be made to mean anything.

    As I progress I will cover the major counter-sense words and terms such as loan, credit, discount, interest, rate-of-interest, agreement, contract, security, repay, restitution, etc., all of which mean either “X” or its conceptual opposite “Minus-X” at the option of the entrenched-money-power whose vast financial fortunes are founded on such cogno-linguistic arbitrage.

    Linguistic anthropologists refer to the language-based perception-shift in general terms as the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis, which can be summarized as follows with respect to the financial world:

    Human beings do not live in the objective world alone, nor alone in the world of social activity as ordinarily understood, but are very much at the mercy of the particular [e.g., finance-business] language which has become the medium of expression for their society. It is quite an illusion to imagine that one adjusts to reality essentially without the use of language and that language is merely an incidental means of solving specific problems of communication or reflection. The fact of the matter is that the “real world” is to a large extent unconsciously built up on the language habits of the groupWe see and hear and otherwise experience very largely as we do because the language habits of our [finance] community predispose certain choices of interpretation.

    [Footnote: Edward Sapir, as cited by Benjamin Lee Whorf as a headnote to Whorf’s The Relation Of Habitual Thought and Behavior To Language (from pp. 75-93, Language, culture, and personality, essays in memory of Edward Sapir, edited by Leslie Spier (Menasha, Wis.: Sapir Memorial Publication Fund, 1941)). The article was written in the summer of 1939.]

    George Orwell would later at least implicitly incorporate a more sinister variation of it into his definition of doublethink:

    Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them [e.g., principal amount is a question of fact, principal amount is by agreement of parties]. The Party intellectual [banker/finance-lawyer] knows in which direction his memories must be altered; he therefore knows that he is playing tricks with reality; but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself that reality is not violated. The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious or it would bring with it a sense of falsity and hence of guilt. Doublethink lies at the very heart of [the financial world], since the essential act of the Party [bankers and finance-lawyers] is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary.

    [Footnote: George Orwell Anthology, Pub. by Secker & Warburg (UK) 1976 edition, p. 865. (Orig. pub. in 1949).]

    Counter-sense words or oscillating contradictions are thus the tools or basic-building-blocks that gives an administrative superstructure comprised of professional schizophrenics its power of holding multiple sets of two contradictory beliefs in the mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them, and all of them, respectively.

    It is therefore also important to be ever vigilant. If you catch a banker or solicitor in the principal deception, for example, they are trained to reply to the effect: “Oh that is just the difference between the “principal amount” advanced and the “principal amount” secured, which of course is just begging the question and which renders the word principal redundant and therefore meaningless.

    More generally, the minds of bankers and finance solicitors are trained according to the format of this joke:

    I asked my father for fifty dollars. He replied: “Forty dollars!!! I don’t have thirty dollars!! What do you want twenty dollars for!?”

    More visually, the same cognitive association / disassociation process followed by bankers and solicitors is closely analogous to the late Michael Jackson doing his moonwalk where he appears to be walking in one direction while actually / physically moving in the opposite direction (or not moving at all).

    The upside is that once you figure out what they are doing, then it becomes almost impossible to deny, and their situation flips from having no problem to suddenly having two problems.

    But again, our most immediate concern is that since 1990, all of it, domestic and international, has been and remains to protect the legal profession and its malpractice insurance / bonding underwriters from the legal and financial consequences of engaging in prima facie (and constructive strict-liability) racketeering activities, primarily creating and trafficking in falsified-securities / constructive-forgeries.

    [Footnote: Strict liability in this sense means upon establishment of the facts and does not depend on actual mens rea or guilty mind. The primary consequence is that a corporation, with no mind in fact, is convicted in its own right on the facts and regardless of the state of mind of any given employee, officer or other agent of the corporation. But if and when that should happen, the directors and / or executive officers of the corporation become both culpable and liable and in their personal / equity capacity and not in their official capacity. Again, a corporation, per se, is no more capable of committing a mens rea criminal offence than an innocent child or man or woman in a coma.]

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  13. Sam J. says:
    @Anonymous
    "In the months after Charlottesville, many prominent voices in the Alt-Right have embraced the incel and MGTOW movement. Some have embraced miscegenation out of hatred and loathing of White women. They sneer about the bad optics of the White working class, denigrate Christianity and show contempt for their elders while wrapping themselves in the flag of the US federal government. They have publicly rejected the estate of marriage and discourage young men from starting their own families.

    In short, many prominent voices in the Alt-Right showed how much they reject our faith-centered, family-centered, folk-centered worldview. In light of these developments, I have since come to regret jumping on that bandwagon. While I still believe we share some common beliefs on race, I am much more aware now of our cultural differences.

    I don’t think we should continue to stray from our identity as Southern Nationalists. I believe we were more successful in appealing to our own people when we presented ourselves as purely Southern and nothing else. I believe we should return to what works and leave the baggage of internet trolls and nihilists to their own corners of the internet."

    Ignoring a problem does not make it go away. When it comes to race, we all understand this. The defining feature of mainstream conservatism is a belief that by ignoring race, by being "colorblind," the problem will go away. It only gets worse. But a lot of WNs behave the same way toward the Woman Question. They think if they just ignore White women's bad behavior, it'll go away, that the problem is not with women but with those evil sexists non-family-oriented men who notice the problem. But it won't. In fact, the only way to restore patriarchy is to understand that the modern system of marriage is not traditional, but explicitly anti-traditional, and that this is just as much the case within Christianity as without.

    “…They think if they just ignore White women’s bad behavior, it’ll go away,…”

    Definitely true. A lot of the criticism of MGTOW is that you should be strong Men, game your wife so on and so forth but…why? Why should you have to constantly be on edge in what, marriage, was supposed to be a system for both Men and Women to raise a family in. If the system is broken where Men have no “legal” control over their lives and their offspring then maybe we ought to change the system or refuse to participate in it. Men have enough problems we don’t need any more burdens placed on us. Originally Men exchanged excess labor for offspring and taking care of the wife and kids. If the wife left he got the kids. If Men lose the kids and still have to maintain the finances of the family, assuming no fault, then this is bum deal and shouldn’t be entered in to.

    Now there is a solution. Instead of working within the system go around it. Get a law passed to have more than one kind of marriage. Call it the super duper Platinum marriage or whatever and make it the same as the old marriage where the husband can’t be thrown to the wolves and if there’s a divorce the husband gets the kids. No divorce without fault. Most important charge more for it. Leave the old no-fault courthouse wedding in place and see just how many people pick the the no-fault walk away marriage as opposed to the new forever marriage. Best of all no one can bitch about people choosing what type marriage they want.

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    "...get a law passed..." Yeah, that'll be so easy!
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  14. @peterAUS

    Again, is this a ploy for donations or something actually serious?
     
    Former.

    B.T.W. wouldn't attempt to organize a party with secession as platform be illegal?
    Usually is.

    If that's the case, feels suicidal.

    For now.

    “B.T.W. wouldn’t attempt to organize a party with secession as platform be illegal?”

    Actually, no. That’s NATO propaganda, don’t fall for it. All you have to do – first you might have to deal with the reflex indoctrinated into the old timers – is distinguish between municipal law and jus cogens.

    The US government might cite US municipal law to prohibit secession. But the ICJ’s Kosovo advisory opinion of 22 July 2010 held that national self-determination accords with customary and conventional international law. The former is US state and federal common law. The latter is equivalent to federal statute. (That is the Supreme Court’s The Paquete Habana decision.) In particular, self-determination of peoples is supreme law of the land with which domestic law at all levels must come into conformity.

    All you need to do to be a sovereign state is accept the concomitant responsibility. Sovereignty is nothing more than responsibility – that is the consensus of the entire world, affirmed by acclamation. The US government has failed to accept responsibility and forfeited its sovereignty. Just pick up the mantle the US government dropped, and the whole world will be with you. You have to do it anyway, or no country is going to recognize you and you’ll never get loose of the US parasite state.

    How? Easy. You accede to the Rome Statute, the UN Charter, and the International Bill of Human Rights. Write them into your constitution by reference. Now before everybody backs up and makes a crucifix with your fingers, take a look. It’s a much better deal than your obsolete crap bill of rights. It’s the only way you can protect your cultural rights.

    https://ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/UniversalHumanRightsInstruments.aspx

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  15. Pennsy says:
    @Sollipsist
    Sounds Mormon.

    I know, it sounds like I'm making a joke, and I am... but also consider the relatively widespread power that the LDS Church has grown - with a comparable population and dedication to moral and intellectual fitness. Whatever you may think of their theology (and certain practices), they're largely characteristic of the exact ideals that Mr. Griffin is promoting.

    How long would it take for the League to go from being politically shunned outcasts and targets of violence to having a state and a major university? At which point, mutually beneficial support would be a natural consideration. Perhaps by that time, other movements will have developed along similar lines.

    Long-term ain't exciting, and it sounds like speculative fiction right now, but that's one way that a politically viable, individually healthy, and principled conservative bloc could arise.

    Good point making a parallel to the Mormons. In my own state I have always been astonished at how the Amish have flourished by following the basics: strong family bonds, hard work, a rigid moral code (all the things the left tries to destroy in modern America).

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  16. KenH says:

    There’s definitely some high points and good things in this speech, but Brad Griffin has always had a tendency to lash out and punch right when there’s setbacks and this speech unfortunately is no different. Throwing James Fields Jr. under the bus as an unvetted liability when he was just trying to get to his car to leave the area but was forced to make split second life or death decisions in fleeing a howling left wing mob threatening to kill him? Really?

    How is James Fields Jr. any different from the “vetted” LotS members who got into fisticuffs with leftist scum?

    Had the Charlottesville fuzz done their job we never would have heard about James Fields, Jr. and Heather Heyer would be happily wolfing down twinkies and ding dongs and packing on more pounds. But they didn’t and Chartlottesville proved that the left has now become so radical and criminal that the Constitution is inapplicable to whites who don’t hate themselves in cities under their control. And mac daddy Trump, “our guy” and his AG are letting the get away with it.

    I’m not an activist nor do I hobnob with movement luminaries, so I’m not attuned to all the gossip, drama and politics. But I don’t recall any alt-right group trashing League of the South specifically on any of their platforms for the supposedly “bad optics” at the UtR rally in Charlottesville. If some did then they were only speaking for themselves and not the entire alt-right.

    LotS is really just a conservative organization some of whose members still seem to be refighting the civil war. It doesn’t even appear to place very much if any emphasis on race, but I could be wrong. As such it doesn’t possess the ideological mettle to do battle with the radical left and their revolutionary agenda of white dispossession and genocide.

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    I found a very good 2017 article (pre-Charlottesville) from League president Michael Hill discussing both the Jewish role in leftist movements and black racial radicalism, so I'm glad they are aware of and do discuss these topics in their organization. Apparently I did not look long enough or hard enough the first time I went to their website.
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  17. This guy needs to choose between religion and politics. I recommend the former. What he really wants is a revival.

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    Do you advocate a revival of traditional European religion?

    Or the more recent Jew-worshiping cult that considers White Patriarchy as evil (Matthew 20:25, Mark 10:42, Luke 22:25), Whites as second-raters (Romans 1:16), a foreign people as chosen (Romans 9:4), a foreign Rabbi as king (John 1:49), and a foreign capital city as holy (Revelation 21:2)?

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  18. Iberiano says:

    “Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, not people like us, have the ear of the President of the United States.”

    That’s a bitter red pill to swallow, but a verbal meme that should be repeated to every “republican” normie that walks the lands of this nation.

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  19. polistra says:

    Protesting never achieves anything. Protests never cause a change.

    Protests organized by Deepstate are used by other parts of Deepstate as “opinion polls” to reinforce what Deepstate was planning to do anyway.

    Protests organized by non-Deepstate groups are either ignored or brutally squashed. When ignored, nothing happens at all. When squashed, Deepstate uses the incident to justify more power and budget for the squashers.

    This was true in the hippie era and still true now. Everyone has to learn it the hard way.

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    Protesting never achieved anything? I wonder what Martin Luther would say to that, with 900 Protest-ants successfully established around the globe now. Protesting is more effective than prayer, at least compared to Pope Leo X's Exsurge Domine ("Arise, O Lord") imprecatory prayer of 1520 against the Prime Protestant.
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  20. nickels says:

    I’ve begun to wonder if this dystopia we are living through is the just chastisement of an angry, righteous Almighty God.

    That’s exactly my opinion. We need to keep praying for God to show us a path to resist and fight back.
    He either will; or he won’t.

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  21. Mr Brad Griffin is a national, or even international, treasure. Even as someone who is neither a Southerner, nor even an American, there is much wisdom to gather in his words. Thanks for bringing this text to a wider audience.

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  22. @jilles dykstra
    I am reading
    Herwich Wolfram, 'History of the Goths', Berkeley 1988, München 1979
    How the Roman empire was unable to withstand the barbarians.
    I wonder if right now the western cultures are unable to withstand today's barbarians.
    There indeed is a consolation, the Roman culture did not perish.

    There indeed is a consolation, the Roman culture did not perish.

    Yeah, but barbarians were whites.

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  23. FKA Max says: • Website
    @David JW
    A really bad idea to devote this article to attacking the AltRight and falsely claiming the AltRight supports MiGTOWs and Incels. The League of the South are just cucks.

    A really bad idea to devote this article to attacking the AltRight and falsely claiming the AltRight supports MiGTOWs and Incels.

    I highly respect Hunter Wallace/Brad Griffin, that being said I agree with your sentiment and observation, except for the “cucks” part.

    The implosion of the Traditionalist Worker Party in a sordid public sex scandal was one of the things which illustrated the costs of this alignment.

    This is what I wrote about TWP and the Alt Right a few months ago:

    I believe that the unraveling of the Traditionalist Worker Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_Worker_Party is a positive development for the movement, a much-needed “cleansing”, so to speak. I commented a few months ago that I thought that “the movement is in a better place and shape than it has ever been in before”, and I specifically identified the Traditionalist Worker Party as one of the biggest liabilities to the movement back then:

    To me personally, groups like the “Traditionalist Worker Party” are the most unhelpful faction within the movement…

    http://www.unz.com/video/ramzpaul_8-questions-answered-sargon-of-akkads-survey/#comment-2143506

    What, logically, follows from this, I believe, is that the movement is in an even better place and in better shape than it was earlier this year (I wrote the comment on January 4, 2018).

    https://www.unz.com/article/alt-right-not-self-destructing-its-just-been-mugged-by-government-antifa-alliance/#comment-2281296

    And I believe I’m correct.

    The Alt Right message has gone mainstream, and I believe Brad Griffin has not realized that yet.

    This does not mean however that people like himself or Richard Spencer have gone mainstream or will ever go mainstream. They and we are and were just the first wave of messengers of white European empowerment and then others we inspired took on the message and carried it forward to bigger, receptive audiences of whites of European descent.

    The best example of this mainstreaming of the Alt Right worldview is the example of Lauren Southern. Her reporting and activism on the European immigration invasion and the struggle of South African whites has brought white advocacy and nationalism into the mainstream by way of Fox News, Tucker Carlson in particular, the Donald Trump administration and other nationalist parties in Europe and elsewhere, etc.

    FARMLANDS (2018) Official Documentary

    Vindicated! Europe Stops Migrant Boats.


    My suggestion to Brad Griffin and associates is to disband the League of the South. It is an outdated model, won’t succeed in any meaningful way to effect societal change and will likely end up like the Traditionalist Worker Party sooner or later.

    This video was the moment when I knew the Alt Right had gone mainstream:

    Donald Trump Will Stop Zionism and Immigration | TYT Politics

    The Young Turks
    Published on Nov 2, 2016

    Happy Fourth!

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  24. peterAUS says:
    @Anon
    "Former."

    Unfortunately, I have to agree. Hence, their insistence on this stupid and unproductive marching thing. It's just a way to get attention, and therefore, donations from readers.

    "B.T.W. wouldn’t attempt to organize a party with secession as platform be illegal?
    Usually is."

    Not quite. There is a lot of legal room there. For example, lots of voter oaths state that citizens may not overthrow the government using "illegal"means. Interpret that as you will.

    In any case, it would be very good for the government to crack down on such an effort as it would completely delegitimize their authority and expose them as the authoritarians they are; this would further radicalize things.

    Further, Cal-Exit types have already set the precedent; there is even a left wing comic book with that title floating around. Until they are hauled away to prison, you can't really lecture anyone about not doing the same.

    If Yugoslavia can break apart with US help, what legal justification could the Empire really use to keep a couple of Southern states from doing the same?

    "If that’s the case, feels suicidal."

    There is a way to get it done peacefully. Just take over a state government, organize the military to support only that government and people, put secession on the ballot, use the military and police to enforce it when you win (and encourage the public to fight in the streets if necessary, offer full pardons to those who do). In other words, use the political party to take over the levers of government and cultural power, then use them against your enemy.

    This is EXACTLY what the radical left has done.

    They control the media and use them to brainwash people for their ends (see late night propaganda shows on network), they have a suite of control organizations dedicated to shutting down free speech and later justifying it using legal technicalities (ADL, SPLC, etc.), they use lawfare to shut down dissidents, they purge wrong thinkers from social media, they dox and purge dissidents (sometimes with corporate help), they ban websites they don't like (Daily Stormer - yeah, you can hate Anglin's guts but the guy should have a right to express himself; how many BLM websites have been shut down?), they promote intimidation rallies against our people by attacking our monuments, they get people fired for exercising their constitutionally protected speech while defending their side when others want to do the same to them (Samantha Bee), they attack us as racists while forbidding us to even point out their hypocrisy on the subject....

    The whole system is geared towards making people think they have freedoms that they really do not have. If the wrong people express themselves, they are mercilessly destroyed. Meanwhile, leftist racists run wild doing the same with no consequences or national media attention. See Evergreen State as an example.

    The whole corrupt system is geared toward allowing some people to discriminate against others while forbidding their victims from doing the same in turn.

    Has any leftist been fired for those hateful statue riots? Lots of right wingers have.

    Has any leftist been fired for advocating Cal-Exit? Has corporate America boycotted leftwing racist websites for their role in the Ferguson Effect, now basically proved true along with another study proving white cops do not target blacks? They boycotted Breitbart. Have they boycotted Huffington Compost, Salon, or the Young Turks?

    The right lost the culture war because they face an enemy that has done exactly this to them while they sat crowing about "muh freedoms" and "private enterprise." You can't win a war with one hand tied behind your back; you can't be a good guy if your enemy is determined to be the bad guy.

    In theory, you are correct.

    Me, personally, I’ll start believing into slim chance of a secession when see ex US Military flag officers, in favor of secession, writing articles, essays, creating think tanks and stuff like that.
    Flag.

    Your Yugoslavia example is actually a good one. Secession was supported, ultimately, by US Government and, more importantly, by US Military.
    Kosovo would never have seceeded without aggression on Yugoslavia.

    So, I’ve been reading, on Internet, ex-NCOs, some Lieutenants, a couple of Captains, a Major here and there, even a couple of Lt Cols and full birds. Even they don’t mention that word in their critiques of Empire.

    When you/we see former Joint Chiefs of Staff writing position papers supporting secession then I’ll buy that the game could…could…become serious.
    When they organize a think tank I’d even try apply for a position of a very small analyst in that outfit. Very low level, for a matter or two.

    Till then just a good science fiction.

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  25. Thim says:

    Very sad screed from a real loser. He takes any constructive criticism as a personal insult, and he has no inkling of what it takes to make success full propaganda. His comments on James Fields, a man who was just chased by a gun wielding thug and surrounded by a mob of crazed communists, who was simply trying to stay alive….well those comments by the author reveal his vile detestable soul.

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  26. Tyrion 2 says: • Website

    Chin up Brad, America may have many problems and it clearly does not live up to your high moral standards, but that’s life. It may seem awful that you won’t find many better places but it is the strong man who can embrace the tragedy of humanity and be calm.

    Let me outline some lessons from history. Social movements need to help with both spiritual and material needs. The medieval church certainly did. Even the freemasons did. In this materialist era, wouldn’t it be great if your organisation was also a jobs network? Or helped to aggregate child care? Or whatever you can imagine.

    As for spiritual stuff: learn how to talk to people to find out what it is they need. I’m happy to skype with you for 45 minutes to pass on exactly how to do it. You can then pass that on. The point is not to be an acitivist (i.e from the top down) but to organise (that is from the bottom up.) Again, in our materialist times this might sound wishy washy but nothing is more meaningful. It is amazing how quick people are to cry to a total stranger merely because they are listened to properly.

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    It is amazing how quick people are to cry to a total stranger merely because they are listened to properly.
     
    They do. Cry I mean.
    Would they follow you into a direction which could be dangerous is another matter.

    Do a test.

    In any working environment a popular pastime, today, is to talk shit about company in general and bosses in particular. Pay too, of course. If willing you can listen to that for hours.....
    I do contracts here and there, so, as an "outsider" I am an easy "confessional".
    Now, try to tell these people that 'something' could be done. Something, anything.
    Write a letter, organize a meeting, whatever.
    No chance.
    And that's, of course, because of a risk of getting on the management bad side, even losing a job.

    In THIS case the risks are much higher. Going against, in fact, Federal Goverment is definitely much more serious then going against own mis-management.

    Hell, imagine a restructure coming and people knowing that 50 % will lose job.
    Try to organize something. Nope.....
    They'll become even more meek and docile hoping they will be those remaining.
    Till the next cull.

    Let's face it. People, today, are comfortable enough not to risk a serious confrontation.
    And, maybe....just maybe....they've been comfortable long enough to become soft and weak.
    Soft........and....weak.

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  27. I think hunter is putting forth a valid strategy here…I have been following him for some time now….and he always makes some good points…and more than that, I think that he among the dissident Right leaders maybe best understands (along with a very few others) that our enemy is big business, and the economy is the lifeblood of our enemies…

    that said, I am now of the opinion that white americans have lost this war..too late now…all we can do is hope that we can somehow help to precipitate an economic collapse, which might allow for some sort of secession for some few white states in the union…

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  28. renfro says:

    I would say he’s 90% right.

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  29. @Sam J.
    "...They think if they just ignore White women’s bad behavior, it’ll go away,..."

    Definitely true. A lot of the criticism of MGTOW is that you should be strong Men, game your wife so on and so forth but...why? Why should you have to constantly be on edge in what, marriage, was supposed to be a system for both Men and Women to raise a family in. If the system is broken where Men have no "legal" control over their lives and their offspring then maybe we ought to change the system or refuse to participate in it. Men have enough problems we don't need any more burdens placed on us. Originally Men exchanged excess labor for offspring and taking care of the wife and kids. If the wife left he got the kids. If Men lose the kids and still have to maintain the finances of the family, assuming no fault, then this is bum deal and shouldn't be entered in to.

    Now there is a solution. Instead of working within the system go around it. Get a law passed to have more than one kind of marriage. Call it the super duper Platinum marriage or whatever and make it the same as the old marriage where the husband can't be thrown to the wolves and if there's a divorce the husband gets the kids. No divorce without fault. Most important charge more for it. Leave the old no-fault courthouse wedding in place and see just how many people pick the the no-fault walk away marriage as opposed to the new forever marriage. Best of all no one can bitch about people choosing what type marriage they want.

    “…get a law passed…” Yeah, that’ll be so easy!

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  30. There is only one possible effective approach to this whole conundrum , and which I have been advocating for years on end, even though it has met with only ridicule and scepticism , and now low and behold DT himself has picked up on it himself with his media-wise labeling of MW as “crazy” and that now leading to : Label them all publically and loudly as CRAZY.
    Do this relentlessly with no let up and intensify it with actual examples one such being that 98% of nose-ringed, blue-haired nut cases sitting in the waiting rooms of shrinks identify as : Democrats.

    DT’s public twitter employment of the expression “crazy” pertaining to MW, was a stroke of pure genius, which til now every other white politico would have never engaged considering the terrifying responce of “racist”, and it must be continued and accelerated to the point at which they , the crazies, begin to realize that they have been exposed and uncovered for what they are, namely insane communists who will lose the warfare they are instigating and persuing.

    This specific action will also have the effect of driving millions of unthinking borderline democrat voters away from them and over to the “sane” side.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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    Who or what is MW? Municipal Water?
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  31. peterAUS says:
    @Tyrion 2
    Chin up Brad, America may have many problems and it clearly does not live up to your high moral standards, but that's life. It may seem awful that you won't find many better places but it is the strong man who can embrace the tragedy of humanity and be calm.

    Let me outline some lessons from history. Social movements need to help with both spiritual and material needs. The medieval church certainly did. Even the freemasons did. In this materialist era, wouldn't it be great if your organisation was also a jobs network? Or helped to aggregate child care? Or whatever you can imagine.

    As for spiritual stuff: learn how to talk to people to find out what it is they need. I'm happy to skype with you for 45 minutes to pass on exactly how to do it. You can then pass that on. The point is not to be an acitivist (i.e from the top down) but to organise (that is from the bottom up.) Again, in our materialist times this might sound wishy washy but nothing is more meaningful. It is amazing how quick people are to cry to a total stranger merely because they are listened to properly.

    It is amazing how quick people are to cry to a total stranger merely because they are listened to properly.

    They do. Cry I mean.
    Would they follow you into a direction which could be dangerous is another matter.

    Do a test.

    In any working environment a popular pastime, today, is to talk shit about company in general and bosses in particular. Pay too, of course. If willing you can listen to that for hours…..
    I do contracts here and there, so, as an “outsider” I am an easy “confessional”.
    Now, try to tell these people that ‘something’ could be done. Something, anything.
    Write a letter, organize a meeting, whatever.
    No chance.
    And that’s, of course, because of a risk of getting on the management bad side, even losing a job.

    In THIS case the risks are much higher. Going against, in fact, Federal Goverment is definitely much more serious then going against own mis-management.

    Hell, imagine a restructure coming and people knowing that 50 % will lose job.
    Try to organize something. Nope…..
    They’ll become even more meek and docile hoping they will be those remaining.
    Till the next cull.

    Let’s face it. People, today, are comfortable enough not to risk a serious confrontation.
    And, maybe….just maybe….they’ve been comfortable long enough to become soft and weak.
    Soft……..and….weak.

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  32. @WorkingClass
    This guy needs to choose between religion and politics. I recommend the former. What he really wants is a revival.

    Do you advocate a revival of traditional European religion?

    Or the more recent Jew-worshiping cult that considers White Patriarchy as evil (Matthew 20:25, Mark 10:42, Luke 22:25), Whites as second-raters (Romans 1:16), a foreign people as chosen (Romans 9:4), a foreign Rabbi as king (John 1:49), and a foreign capital city as holy (Revelation 21:2)?

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  33. @polistra
    Protesting never achieves anything. Protests never cause a change.

    Protests organized by Deepstate are used by other parts of Deepstate as "opinion polls" to reinforce what Deepstate was planning to do anyway.

    Protests organized by non-Deepstate groups are either ignored or brutally squashed. When ignored, nothing happens at all. When squashed, Deepstate uses the incident to justify more power and budget for the squashers.

    This was true in the hippie era and still true now. Everyone has to learn it the hard way.

    Protesting never achieved anything? I wonder what Martin Luther would say to that, with 900 Protest-ants successfully established around the globe now. Protesting is more effective than prayer, at least compared to Pope Leo X’s Exsurge Domine (“Arise, O Lord”) imprecatory prayer of 1520 against the Prime Protestant.

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  34. anarchyst says:

    Yes, Martin Luther did protest against the excesses of the Catholic Church (rightly so) but did not want to establish a “breakaway” Church. It was the royalty of the day that saw the wealth that the Catholic Church possessed and the opportunity to acquire it. Hence, it was those that possessed “the divine right of kings” that took advantage of the situation.
    How many Protestant denominations founded and established hospitals, universities, and other institutions that were dedicated to the betterment of humankind?
    It was the Catholic Church that did all of these tings and more…

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    How many Protestant denominations founded and established hospitals, universities, and other institutions that were dedicated to the betterment of humankind?
     
    Many...

    Religious Competition and Reallocation:
    The Political Economy of Secularization in the Protestant Reformation

    http://www.jeremiahdittmar.com/files/RRR_20170919.pdf Cantoni et al. (2017)

    Our findings indicate that the Reformation played an important causal role in the secularization of the West.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/libertarianism-the-alt-right-and-antifa/#comment-2052485


    https://twitter.com/whyvert/status/921920931315851265

    Merton thesis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merton_thesis
    [...]
    Luther wanted women as well as men to be able to read the Bible, he points out. Not only did his followers set out to establish church schools in every parish, but girls went there as well as boys, he says. “We looked into the records of school building in the German federal state of Brandenburg in the 16th century, and discovered that there were disproportionately more girls in school than boys. Protestantism, it seems, was an early driver of emancipation. At that time, remember, Catholic areas didn’t even have any boys’ schools.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/jthompson/scrabbling-for-excellence/#comment-1911398

    Incidentally, I just found this video by an Alt Righter on strategy, etc.

    The Alt-Right Reformation Against Liberal Theocracy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZC3tL1vSu4

    And then I found this video by Charles Koch, and I actually don't disagree with all of it, surprisingly. He praises the Reformation, etc.

    Charles G. Koch On The History of Freedom

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhtxATOrlI

    , @Alden
    You are right, but why did someone bring Luther into the conversation?

    Luther was backed by Charles 1 King of Spain who was also Charles 5 of the Holy Roman Hapsburg Empire. As such he ruled all of continental Europe but Scandinavia, Poland, France, and the Venetian Republic and the Pope’s territory in Italy.

    As King of Spain and overlord of Portugual the gold and silver of S America and the riches of the Portuguese posts in India Africa China and Japan poured in.

    Without Charles backing, Luther would have ended up

    One of the numerous Saint whatever the reformer or exiled to some frozen monastery to spend his life translating texts.

    Charles 5&1 wanted to break the power of the Papacy and rule supreme in Europe. That’s why he backed Luther. That’s why Lutheranism succeeded. Charles used his German Lutheran and Spanish Catholics to conquer and occupy Rome for years

    The religious bigot FKA MAX is an ignoramus whose never heard of Charles 5$1 and his conquest of Rome and his use of Luther to create a great empire in Europe.

    FKA MAX has been banned from most conservative and pro White sites because he insisted on inserting his anti Catholic bigotry and ignorance into every discussion.

    Maybe Catholics donate more than anti Catholic bigots. Maybe the owners of the websites got tired of his off topic anti Catholicism.

    Because Unz doesn’t censor, FKA MAX can still post his bigotry here. And knowledgeable historians can refute his bigotry.

    Catholics don’t have schools? The catholic parish school system is miles above the public school system. And there’s are thousands more Catholic schools than Lutheran schools.

    Even the poorest little southern Protestant churches have more Christian schools than the atheist gay clergy African Muslim importing Lutherans have schools.

    Sorry for the diatribe but just when I think FKA MAX has disappeared he pops up again.

    He should set up an anti Catholic site instead of inserting his bigotry on other sites.
    Again, sorry
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  35. FKA Max says: • Website
    @anarchyst
    Yes, Martin Luther did protest against the excesses of the Catholic Church (rightly so) but did not want to establish a "breakaway" Church. It was the royalty of the day that saw the wealth that the Catholic Church possessed and the opportunity to acquire it. Hence, it was those that possessed "the divine right of kings" that took advantage of the situation.
    How many Protestant denominations founded and established hospitals, universities, and other institutions that were dedicated to the betterment of humankind?
    It was the Catholic Church that did all of these tings and more...

    How many Protestant denominations founded and established hospitals, universities, and other institutions that were dedicated to the betterment of humankind?

    Many…

    Religious Competition and Reallocation:
    The Political Economy of Secularization in the Protestant Reformation

    http://www.jeremiahdittmar.com/files/RRR_20170919.pdf Cantoni et al. (2017)

    Our findings indicate that the Reformation played an important causal role in the secularization of the West.

    http://www.unz.com/article/libertarianism-the-alt-right-and-antifa/#comment-2052485

    Merton thesis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merton_thesis

    [...]
    Luther wanted women as well as men to be able to read the Bible, he points out. Not only did his followers set out to establish church schools in every parish, but girls went there as well as boys, he says. “We looked into the records of school building in the German federal state of Brandenburg in the 16th century, and discovered that there were disproportionately more girls in school than boys. Protestantism, it seems, was an early driver of emancipation. At that time, remember, Catholic areas didn’t even have any boys’ schools.

    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/scrabbling-for-excellence/#comment-1911398

    Incidentally, I just found this video by an Alt Righter on strategy, etc.

    The Alt-Right Reformation Against Liberal Theocracy

    And then I found this video by Charles Koch, and I actually don’t disagree with all of it, surprisingly. He praises the Reformation, etc.

    Charles G. Koch On The History of Freedom

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    Wrong as usual. Every Catholic Church in Europe had a school for boys and girls even the tiniest.

    What are the Lutherans doing today? They have disappeared in atheist Europe. In America they can no longer survive in donations so they’re reduced into begging the US government for money to resettle African Muslim immigrants into the formerly Lutheran heartland of America.

    Reading the Bible? Protestants dove into the sex perversion genocide invest and slaughter of the Jewish bible and ignored the Christian part of the Bible.

    Are you aware of what Old Testament reading did to Europe? Ever heard of the Ababaptist takeover of Munster Germany, Calvin’s jihad in Geneva the 30 years war in which Lutherans slaughtered other Lutherans until N East Germany was depopulated, the witch burnings, the American Puritans?

    After a few years of Old Testament lunatics howling and yowling in the streets and trying to destroy his new religion Henry 8 removed the public bibles from churches and forbade any but scholars and clergy from reading the Bible

    And exactly what does the 500 year old reformation have to do with survival of White Americans today?

    Absolutely totally nothing.

    Plus, Bible reading is a black thing. They are the ones who read Bibles at lunch and go around asking people to read with them. I think of Bible readers as blacks, not Whites.

    You’re all over the internet always bringing your bigoted 500 years out of date anti Catholicism into every thread.

    Lutherans are marrying gays and allowing gay clergy. A Swedish Lutheran lesbian Bishop, the top ruling Bishop of the Swedish Lutheran Church removed crosses and Christian imagery from her Church and installed Muslim writings

    When the last Lutheran Church in Germany, Scandinavia and America has been converted to a Mosque by the legally elected government, the Vatican and the glorious Orthodox churches will still be there.

    All the American religions are doing fake refugee scammer resettlement and putting them on life long welfare.

    The Lutheran Church is the absolute worst for bringing black African Muslim immigrants to live of welfare and replace Whites.

    Fast forward 500 years. And look at what the Lutheran Church is doing to replace White Lutherans with African Muslims.
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  36. Alden [AKA "Vera Figner"] says:
    @Authenticjazzman
    There is only one possible effective approach to this whole conundrum , and which I have been advocating for years on end, even though it has met with only ridicule and scepticism , and now low and behold DT himself has picked up on it himself with his media-wise labeling of MW as "crazy" and that now leading to : Label them all publically and loudly as CRAZY.
    Do this relentlessly with no let up and intensify it with actual examples one such being that 98% of nose-ringed, blue-haired nut cases sitting in the waiting rooms of shrinks identify as : Democrats.

    DT's public twitter employment of the expression "crazy" pertaining to MW, was a stroke of pure genius, which til now every other white politico would have never engaged considering the terrifying responce of "racist", and it must be continued and accelerated to the point at which they , the crazies, begin to realize that they have been exposed and uncovered for what they are, namely insane communists who will lose the warfare they are instigating and persuing.

    This specific action will also have the effect of driving millions of unthinking borderline democrat voters away from them and over to the "sane" side.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    Who or what is MW? Municipal Water?

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  37. Alden [AKA "Vera Figner"] says:
    @FKA Max

    How many Protestant denominations founded and established hospitals, universities, and other institutions that were dedicated to the betterment of humankind?
     
    Many...

    Religious Competition and Reallocation:
    The Political Economy of Secularization in the Protestant Reformation

    http://www.jeremiahdittmar.com/files/RRR_20170919.pdf Cantoni et al. (2017)

    Our findings indicate that the Reformation played an important causal role in the secularization of the West.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/article/libertarianism-the-alt-right-and-antifa/#comment-2052485


    https://twitter.com/whyvert/status/921920931315851265

    Merton thesis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merton_thesis
    [...]
    Luther wanted women as well as men to be able to read the Bible, he points out. Not only did his followers set out to establish church schools in every parish, but girls went there as well as boys, he says. “We looked into the records of school building in the German federal state of Brandenburg in the 16th century, and discovered that there were disproportionately more girls in school than boys. Protestantism, it seems, was an early driver of emancipation. At that time, remember, Catholic areas didn’t even have any boys’ schools.
     

    - http://www.unz.com/jthompson/scrabbling-for-excellence/#comment-1911398

    Incidentally, I just found this video by an Alt Righter on strategy, etc.

    The Alt-Right Reformation Against Liberal Theocracy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZC3tL1vSu4

    And then I found this video by Charles Koch, and I actually don't disagree with all of it, surprisingly. He praises the Reformation, etc.

    Charles G. Koch On The History of Freedom

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XhtxATOrlI

    Wrong as usual. Every Catholic Church in Europe had a school for boys and girls even the tiniest.

    What are the Lutherans doing today? They have disappeared in atheist Europe. In America they can no longer survive in donations so they’re reduced into begging the US government for money to resettle African Muslim immigrants into the formerly Lutheran heartland of America.

    Reading the Bible? Protestants dove into the sex perversion genocide invest and slaughter of the Jewish bible and ignored the Christian part of the Bible.

    Are you aware of what Old Testament reading did to Europe? Ever heard of the Ababaptist takeover of Munster Germany, Calvin’s jihad in Geneva the 30 years war in which Lutherans slaughtered other Lutherans until N East Germany was depopulated, the witch burnings, the American Puritans?

    After a few years of Old Testament lunatics howling and yowling in the streets and trying to destroy his new religion Henry 8 removed the public bibles from churches and forbade any but scholars and clergy from reading the Bible

    And exactly what does the 500 year old reformation have to do with survival of White Americans today?

    Absolutely totally nothing.

    Plus, Bible reading is a black thing. They are the ones who read Bibles at lunch and go around asking people to read with them. I think of Bible readers as blacks, not Whites.

    You’re all over the internet always bringing your bigoted 500 years out of date anti Catholicism into every thread.

    Lutherans are marrying gays and allowing gay clergy. A Swedish Lutheran lesbian Bishop, the top ruling Bishop of the Swedish Lutheran Church removed crosses and Christian imagery from her Church and installed Muslim writings

    When the last Lutheran Church in Germany, Scandinavia and America has been converted to a Mosque by the legally elected government, the Vatican and the glorious Orthodox churches will still be there.

    All the American religions are doing fake refugee scammer resettlement and putting them on life long welfare.

    The Lutheran Church is the absolute worst for bringing black African Muslim immigrants to live of welfare and replace Whites.

    Fast forward 500 years. And look at what the Lutheran Church is doing to replace White Lutherans with African Muslims.

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    Catholic Charities has been providing assistance to immigrants and refugees for more than 100 years. Our agencies help them adjust to life in the United States by offering a wide range of social and legal services that help them get established in the community.
    catholiccharitiesusa.org/our-ministry/immigration-refugee-services/

    Bannon on Catholic Church's DACA support: 'They need illegal aliens to fill the churches'
    cnn.com/2017/09/07/politics/bannon-catholic-church/index.html

    So Catholics are a huge problem too. But like Clint Eastwood observed:

    "Everybody blames the Lutherans."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFojSHIpeZs
     
    , @FKA Max
    Was Weber Wrong?
    A Human Capital Theory of Protestant Economic History

    https://sites.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG07-04_Becker_Woessmann.pdf

    Max Weber attributed the higher economic prosperity of Protestant regions to a Protestant work ethic. We provide an alternative theory, where Protestant economies prospered because instruction in reading the Bible generated the human capital crucial to economic prosperity. County-level data from late 19th-century Prussia reveal that Protestantism was indeed associated not only with higher economic prosperity, but also with better education. We find that Protestants’ higher literacy can account for the whole gap in economic prosperity. Results hold when we exploit the initial concentric dispersion of the Reformation to use distance to Wittenberg as an instrument for Protestantism.
    [...]
    The same pattern is underscored by special tables in the 1871 Population Census which report literacy rates by religious denomination within each county. The descriptive evidence reveals that the literacy gap between Protestants and Catholics is smaller in predominantly Protestant counties, suggesting that Catholics profit from the supply effect of higher school
    density in Protestant counties. At the same time, the fact that Catholic literacy still significantly lags behind Protestant literacy even in the face of the same (better) school infrastructure points to an additional demand effect. p. 29
    [...]
    Appendix B: The Spread of Literacy from Lutheran Times to 1871
    [...]
    And in line with the preaching of Luther and Melanchthon, it was the Protestant churches which tried to advance matters of schooling, to a much larger extent than the limited attempts within the Catholic church. Schleunes (1989) points out that quite generally, when comparing the politics of Protestant-led Prussia and Catholic Bavaria over 1750-1900, it has always been Prussia that led school reforms and Bavaria that followed. - p. A5

    , @FKA Max
    By the way,

    Hunter Wallace/Brad Griffin is a Lutheran:


    I am not anti-Christian. I’m a Lutheran,” says Hunter Wallace, an alt-right blogger cited in Matthew Rose’s essay from our March issue, “The Anti-Christian Alt-Right.”
     
    - https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/02/the-impossibility-of-alt-right-christianity

    Religion and Economic Growth in Western Europe: 1500-2000.

    https://web.stanford.edu/~cy10/public/Religion_and_Economic%20Growth_Western_Europe.pdf

    III. Education
    [...]
    Scotland is a great example of this. A founding principle of the Scottish Reformation (1560) was free education for the poor. Perhaps the world’s first local school tax was established in 1633 (strengthened in 1646). In this environment grew the Scottish Enlightenment: David Hume, Francis Hutcheson, Adam Ferguson, and the godfather of modern economics, Adam Smith. By this time, Scottish scholarship stood so far above that of other nations that Voltaire wrote, “we look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilization”.
    An attractive feature of this thinking about Protestantism is its amenability to quantitative empirical testing. Did Protestant countries invest more heavily in education? (This takes us away from seemingly intractable debates over what the theologians were saying.) Easterlin reports that at least in 1830, Protestant countries had much higher primary school enrollment: 17% in Germany, 15% in the US, 9% in the UK, 7% in France, and only about 3% or 4% in Italy and Spain (Easterlin 1981:18). - pp. 14-15

    The Growth of Literacy in Western Europe from 1500 to 1800

    By Dr. Robert A. Houston / 11.28.2011
    Professor of Modern History
    University of St. Andrews


    The Swedish literacy campaign was designed to consolidate the Lutheran Reformation in that country and many of the advances in reading and writing stemmed from the religious battles of the early modern period. It is commonly asserted that Protestantism is the religion of the Book and most early educational movements came out of evangelical needs. The Duchy of Württemberg had 89 schools in 1520 compared with over 400 by 1600 and across Germany in this period many rulers issued ordinances providing for or regulating elementary education.7 Indeed, Protestant countries tended to be more literate than Catholic ones and where the faiths co-existed, as in France, Ireland and the Low Countries, Calvinists were usually more educated than Catholics.8
    [...]
    Around 1900, Western Europe was divided between a literate, economically developed and largely Protestant north, a centre with pronounced regional variations, notably France, and a less literate, underdeveloped south, notably Italy. Vast areas of Eastern Europe, furthermore, resembled the far south. The sometimes painfully slow pace of change and the late arrival of mass literacy find their most extreme example in Portugal. Of those inhabitants over seven years of age in 1890, 76% were illiterate, falling only slightly to 74% in 1900 and 70% in 1911. The figure was still 68% in 1930 and it was not until the 1940s that more than half of Portugal’s population could read and write – more than a century after England and one and a half centuries after north-west Germany and lowland Scotland had reached that threshold.
     
    - http://brewminate.com/the-growth-of-literacy-in-western-europe-from-1500-to-1800/ Archived link: http://archive.is/4t1Vz

    Very good graphs and figures in the following linked and archived forum post:

    Economic growth in the Early Modern Europe

    Source: http://historum.com/european-history/44491-economic-growth-early-modern-europe.html Archived link: http://archive.is/DwJmp

    Figure 8.3. European literacy levels per occupation, c. 1750-1800.

    As evident from figure 8.3 reformed German groups also had high rates of literacy. On the other hand, nearby Catholic groups had very 47 low literacy rates, just as the East Prussian peasants did.

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jelle_Lottum/publication/267391510/figure/fig4/AS:[email protected]/European-literacy-levels-per-occupation-c-1750-1800.png

    Source: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/European-literacy-levels-per-occupation-c-1750-1800_fig4_267391510

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  38. Alden [AKA "Vera Figner"] says:
    @anarchyst
    Yes, Martin Luther did protest against the excesses of the Catholic Church (rightly so) but did not want to establish a "breakaway" Church. It was the royalty of the day that saw the wealth that the Catholic Church possessed and the opportunity to acquire it. Hence, it was those that possessed "the divine right of kings" that took advantage of the situation.
    How many Protestant denominations founded and established hospitals, universities, and other institutions that were dedicated to the betterment of humankind?
    It was the Catholic Church that did all of these tings and more...

    You are right, but why did someone bring Luther into the conversation?

    Luther was backed by Charles 1 King of Spain who was also Charles 5 of the Holy Roman Hapsburg Empire. As such he ruled all of continental Europe but Scandinavia, Poland, France, and the Venetian Republic and the Pope’s territory in Italy.

    As King of Spain and overlord of Portugual the gold and silver of S America and the riches of the Portuguese posts in India Africa China and Japan poured in.

    Without Charles backing, Luther would have ended up

    One of the numerous Saint whatever the reformer or exiled to some frozen monastery to spend his life translating texts.

    Charles 5&1 wanted to break the power of the Papacy and rule supreme in Europe. That’s why he backed Luther. That’s why Lutheranism succeeded. Charles used his German Lutheran and Spanish Catholics to conquer and occupy Rome for years

    The religious bigot FKA MAX is an ignoramus whose never heard of Charles 5$1 and his conquest of Rome and his use of Luther to create a great empire in Europe.

    FKA MAX has been banned from most conservative and pro White sites because he insisted on inserting his anti Catholic bigotry and ignorance into every discussion.

    Maybe Catholics donate more than anti Catholic bigots. Maybe the owners of the websites got tired of his off topic anti Catholicism.

    Because Unz doesn’t censor, FKA MAX can still post his bigotry here. And knowledgeable historians can refute his bigotry.

    Catholics don’t have schools? The catholic parish school system is miles above the public school system. And there’s are thousands more Catholic schools than Lutheran schools.

    Even the poorest little southern Protestant churches have more Christian schools than the atheist gay clergy African Muslim importing Lutherans have schools.

    Sorry for the diatribe but just when I think FKA MAX has disappeared he pops up again.

    He should set up an anti Catholic site instead of inserting his bigotry on other sites.
    Again, sorry

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    This is off-topic.

    FKA MAX has been banned from most conservative and pro White sites because he insisted on inserting his anti Catholic bigotry and ignorance into every discussion.
    [...]
    Because Unz doesn’t censor, FKA MAX can still post his bigotry here. And knowledgeable historians can refute his bigotry.
     
    I might be wrong, but this sure reads and sounds like you, Alden.

    FKA MAX has been banned from s lot of sites because of his more insane anti Catholic ideas.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1634065

    I thought that you had switched to commenting anonymously a few months ago:


    This is you, Alden, right?
     
    - https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-well-tempered-clavichord/#comment-2335964

    Are you aware that you are breaking the Unz Review rules by not sticking to one username/handle?


    Given the wide-ranging discussion, often on highly controversial topics, the overwhelming majority of commenters prefer to maintain their anonymity behind a personal “handle,” and this is perfectly acceptable. However, commenters are absolutely prohibited from using multiple handles, which would allow them to engage in “sock-puppetry” and mislead others as to the widespread nature of their views.
    [...]
    However, any commenter may also freely leave comments under the Anonymous/Anon handles, which are absolutely anonymous.
     
    - https://www.unz.com/masthead/#comments-policy

    If I'm correct, I hope that the Unz Review moderators investigate this case and merge your new Vera Figner handle with your established Alden username.

    If I'm wrong and this is not the case, please, just disregard this comment.

    And no, I have not been "banned from most conservative and pro White sites".

    I choose to almost exclusively comment on the Unz Review because of its superior commenting software and comments moderation speed and policy, etc.

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  39. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:

    “Highly naive and optimistic. Any white resistance period to these programs can and will simply be branded as “neo-nazi” by the media propaganda monopoly.”

    My suggestion is neither. It solves your “neo-Nazi” objection by personalizing the attack in the hearts of minds of ordinary fence sitters. Southerners don’t consider themselves “Nazis” so any attack on them as such by a hostile foreign press will galvanize public opinion against those making such a claim. It will drive people right into the secessionist camp.

    Case in point: a large majority of Americans now support Confederate statues. Attacks by your media did NOTHING to change that; in fact, governors of several Southern states have changed their minds, now publicly supporting protecting their culture. Exactly what I said would happen did happen in that case. Why not take that logic and run with it?

    Besides, revolutions have to start somewhere. Remember that the next time you celebrate another July 4th. Or was that hopeless, too?

    “Plenty of intellectual arguments have been made for decades which you dismiss out of hand but the public never gets to hear them”

    The public will never accept Nazi screeching, regardless of whether or not they hear the idea. If there was any chance of that, we’d already see it because we now have an internet that lets people explore any idea they want.

    The arguments that have “been made for decades” have had zero impact thus far. Perhaps it is time to make a few new arguments.

    “and your perception of everyone thus far as “neo-nazi spergs and goons” are formed, and government force against such people has consent manufactured and legitimated.”

    My perception is based on evidence. I’ve seen the websites, and I’ve read the comments. Most of these people are just spergs. They lack any notion of how ordinary people think, have no social skills, and they have no conception of how to organize a real resistance against anything. They are mostly useless.

    “What makes you think it would be any different here until genuine whites are a low enough percentage of the population to simply be mass exterminated with direct violence.”

    Uh, my suggestion is meant at avoiding that possibility.

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  40. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:

    “Ignoring a problem does not make it go away. … It only gets worse. But a lot of WNs behave the same way toward the Woman Question. They think if they just ignore White women’s bad behavior, it’ll go away, that the problem is not with women but with those evil sexists non-family-oriented men who notice the problem. But it won’t. In fact, the only way to restore patriarchy is to understand that the modern system of marriage is not traditional, but explicitly anti-traditional, and that this is just as much the case within Christianity as without.”

    Like I said, spergs.

    Using phrases like “restore patriarchy”, “traditional marriage”, “bad white women”, and “Christianity” is a doomed crusade. In our increasingly divorce-prone, freedom-loving, feminist, and secular societies, none of that will attract a broad coalition. In fact, it will turn off a lot of people.

    What white girl wants to be put under the yoke of some incel loser? They aren’t attracted to that crap. You know what they are attracted to? Violent males with a vision. Hence, they admire serial killers, criminals, and flock to the M.E. to join up with terrorists. Screeching like a beta over “family values” is a big turn off to half the population. Already, you’ve defeated yourself with this rhetoric.

    The secessionist paradigm, however, doesn’t require talking about any of that. It allows you to attract a broad coalition of whites who, at the end of the day, will end up passively accomplishing much in the way of restoring traditional institutions by way of independence. An independent South would nearly automatically be more traditional without interference from the outside.

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  41. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    “Throwing James Fields Jr. under the bus as an unvetted liability when he was just trying to get to his car to leave the area.”

    Griffin is directly responsible for Charlottesville, or at least a large part of it. He publicly encouraged this protest nonsense, wrote about Charlottesville endlessly, and he defended various members on his website who had been arrested and charged with crimes.

    It was obvious that Griffin didn’t know what he was doing by encouraging these idiots to get out on the streets and publicly dox themselves as white nationalists and neo-Nazis. All these people did was ruin their own lives; several have committed suicide in the aftermath. Fool.

    The logic of the Southern secession idea is so clear that it makes me think Griffin is on the FBI’s take as a disinformation agent: “you’ll get a nice check if you get idiots to expose themselves and discredit your movement by encouraging people to do stupid things in public while we then use the media to send a message to fellow dissidents.”

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  42. Anon[149] • Disclaimer says:

    “This guy needs to choose between religion and politics. I recommend the former. What he really wants is a revival.”

    That’s probably the best take on Griffin I’ve seen. It also neatly explains why he will ultimately fail at anything he does: his movement lacks a broadly agreed upon ideology in our increasingly secular societies. Appealing to religious Southern Baptist dogma is a big turnoff for the youth. Roy Moore was contentious even in the Deep South with that nonsense, child sex thing aside.

    They need to find something that is broadly appealing and makes supporters and potential recruits feel like victims of outside oppression. That’s basically how all revolutions get started in earnest.

    Overt white nationalism isn’t going to work because no one wants to think of themselves as racists – even black nationalism has few adherents among blacks. However…an independence movement could be the broad ideology that might just work: it’s implicitly white, it will attract dispossessed whites (just take a look at all the anti-SJW hate on YouTube), it isn’t overtly racist, it could attract both religious and secular whites, it stands a fair chance of working, and if it does work the resultant society would nearly automatically be more traditional and conservative. Seems like the perfect solution.

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  43. Anon[239] • Disclaimer says:

    “When you/we see former Joint Chiefs of Staff writing position papers supporting secession then I’ll buy that the game could…could…become serious.”

    It only takes one to get it started. What’s the harm in floating the idea? So far, these guys haven’t even done that. I say put it out there, give it a shot and see what happens. Discuss the issue, have public debates. Isn’t the US supposed to be some kind of democracy? The worst case scenario is that you are back to where you started – where you are now. But the best case scenario…

    Start a party, run for office in areas of the South where you are nearly assured to be victorious (some offices run without opposition), write position papers, run an advocacy website, take over local and state governments, use the power of the government to enhance your power and destroy your enemies. Isn’t that what the left has done?

    Drop the Nazi crap, too, and you might even receive clandestine foreign support. Even Anglin has been smart enough to drop a lot of overt neo-Nazi imagery. Same words and articles as before, but now even more popular. Optics do matter.

    If Griffin really wants attention, that would be a tremendous way to get it. I can just imagine all the reporters who’d want to interview him should he win state or federal office – or even if he just put his name on the ballot. It makes a lot more sense than that marching crap.

    Honestly, what sense does it make to protest on Civil Rights monuments like the EP bridge? What kind of supporters does he really think he’s going to get with that nonsense? Ordinary people see that and see a hick who’s punching down on poor blacks. Even some extremely right wing people like Ann Coulter would denounce that. Dummie.

    So…is he serious or is he simply after donations from gullible internet spergs?

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    It only takes one to get it started.
     
    Agree.
    It does.

    What’s the harm in floating the idea?
     
    None. Actually, it is very good, even necessary, to float that idea.

    So far, these guys haven’t even done that. I say put it out there, give it a shot and see what happens. Discuss the issue, have public debates. Isn’t the US supposed to be some kind of democracy? The worst case scenario is that you are back to where you started – where you are now. But the best case scenario…
     
    Agree.

    You want to talk serious? Let’s try.
    YOU appear to be a “political thinker”. I am just an ex-soldier. Now, I have some experience re secession (or so I say….Internet blabbing and such). So, I could, probably, say how a two star General would see all that (I worked, in a very small capacity, of course, for such types, or so I say....).
    Extremely simplified:
    The General isn’t happy with his society. But, he isn’t a politician, can’t do much about it. He’ll try to get his pension and live his years. But, he’ll constantly WATCH and wait for an opportunity. He’ll be able to seize it if/when he sees it.
    He reads a material put together by some people. Key expression: some people. It resonates. Feels right. A vision for a new society.
    Then, the General does his own, personal, feasibility study. In essence, can that vision be implemented. And, make no mistake, violence will be required. What type, who knows? Maybe just some fisticuffs in streets. Or, maybe, a full blown conventional warfare.
    In US case, perhaps even with (tactical) nukes.
    Or, maybe escalating in MAD because external parties get involved.

    Anyway….the General believes it can be done; feasibility study proves that.

    Then, the General contacts some of his people and they do that study again.
    When all of them are on the same page you can expect them to do something.

    Start getting public, making contacts and alliances with those people who produced that starting material etc.

    The game starts…..


    Start a party, run for office in areas of the South where you are nearly assured to be victorious (some offices run without opposition), write position papers, run an advocacy website, take over local and state governments, use the power of the government to enhance your power and destroy your enemies. Isn’t that what the left has done?
     
    Agree with position papers. The rest flows from it.
    And, those papers should state the vision first and foremost. And,then, how to implement that vision.

    Drop the Nazi crap, too, and you might even receive clandestine foreign support.
     
    Agree.

    So…is he serious or is he simply after donations from gullible internet spergs?
     
    Later.
    , @peterAUS
    And....hehehe...........as you can see, that topic of yours, "secession", isn't quite popular around.
    Like nobody, even on this site, cares about it.
    Or, maybe does care but there is that feeling of fear when starting to contemplate that.

    I've come, ages ago, to conclusion that, save some miracle, secession isn't happening in USA.

    It's like those nice ideas which just can't be done.

    Now, why it can't be done could be an interesting conversation, one day. For you, me and maybe two-three guys on this site.
    I have a theory, based on late Roman Republic/early Empire.

    You know, next time when you mention "secession" maybe you could mix, in that post, keywords: "JFK", "Liberty", "9/11", "Hitler", "Holocaust tm" and last, but definitely not least "Jews".
    That would increase number of posts/replies; not necessarily the quality. On the contrary most likely.

    But, miracles do happen.
    We just need to be patient.

    One day........
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  44. @Alden
    Wrong as usual. Every Catholic Church in Europe had a school for boys and girls even the tiniest.

    What are the Lutherans doing today? They have disappeared in atheist Europe. In America they can no longer survive in donations so they’re reduced into begging the US government for money to resettle African Muslim immigrants into the formerly Lutheran heartland of America.

    Reading the Bible? Protestants dove into the sex perversion genocide invest and slaughter of the Jewish bible and ignored the Christian part of the Bible.

    Are you aware of what Old Testament reading did to Europe? Ever heard of the Ababaptist takeover of Munster Germany, Calvin’s jihad in Geneva the 30 years war in which Lutherans slaughtered other Lutherans until N East Germany was depopulated, the witch burnings, the American Puritans?

    After a few years of Old Testament lunatics howling and yowling in the streets and trying to destroy his new religion Henry 8 removed the public bibles from churches and forbade any but scholars and clergy from reading the Bible

    And exactly what does the 500 year old reformation have to do with survival of White Americans today?

    Absolutely totally nothing.

    Plus, Bible reading is a black thing. They are the ones who read Bibles at lunch and go around asking people to read with them. I think of Bible readers as blacks, not Whites.

    You’re all over the internet always bringing your bigoted 500 years out of date anti Catholicism into every thread.

    Lutherans are marrying gays and allowing gay clergy. A Swedish Lutheran lesbian Bishop, the top ruling Bishop of the Swedish Lutheran Church removed crosses and Christian imagery from her Church and installed Muslim writings

    When the last Lutheran Church in Germany, Scandinavia and America has been converted to a Mosque by the legally elected government, the Vatican and the glorious Orthodox churches will still be there.

    All the American religions are doing fake refugee scammer resettlement and putting them on life long welfare.

    The Lutheran Church is the absolute worst for bringing black African Muslim immigrants to live of welfare and replace Whites.

    Fast forward 500 years. And look at what the Lutheran Church is doing to replace White Lutherans with African Muslims.

    Catholic Charities has been providing assistance to immigrants and refugees for more than 100 years. Our agencies help them adjust to life in the United States by offering a wide range of social and legal services that help them get established in the community.
    catholiccharitiesusa.org/our-ministry/immigration-refugee-services/

    Bannon on Catholic Church’s DACA support: ‘They need illegal aliens to fill the churches’
    cnn.com/2017/09/07/politics/bannon-catholic-church/index.html

    So Catholics are a huge problem too. But like Clint Eastwood observed:

    “Everybody blames the Lutherans.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFojSHIpeZs

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  45. @Anon
    Nice to see that Giffin has returned from the wilderness. Unfortunately, he didn't bring a plan along with him.

    Randomly protesting in obscure rural areas isn't going to do anything; why does he not understand this? He's been advocating this "protest" nonsense for years and not only has it had no impact at all, it has done tremendous harm. Lives have been destroyed and your movement discredited. Is this a ploy to solicit donations from supporters or a real effort?

    You need to win the hearts and minds of a broad coalition. The best way to do that? A Southern independence movement. Form a political party and use it to organize and build an alternate governing apparatus. Use that apparatus to secede.

    This has the following advantages:

    1. Purges the spergs. Too many neo-Nazi, autistic dorks hang around the fringes of the far right. They need to be diluted out with a higher class supporter. You don't do that with appeals to the kinds of things that neo-Nazis and spergs like to do: march around and make fools of themselves.

    2. Gives cover for organizing a resistance. People naturally form groups and group loyalties. It is easier to withstand social pressure if you have a set of easily identified supporters along with you. The way things sit now, it is easy to dox and destroy individuals. It's harder to destroy a group than a person, and individuals are more willing to sacrifice for groups than they are for single individuals or a nebulous ideology.

    3. An explicit Southern independence movement will be harder to attack than the alt-right, white nationalists or neo-Nazis in general because any attack on self-styled Southern patriots will be construed by a lot of fence sitters as a subtle attack on them personally. Each attack by outsiders will draw in more supporters.

    Everyone wants to think of himself as a "good guy." Hence, any movement incorporating elements of Nazis will fail. Good to see that Griffin has taken this to heart, purging his website of some Nazi imagery in the comments. Like I said, too many spergs.

    Portraying yourselves as the "good guys" (victims of oppression by outsiders) is a great way to attract normies. Make your enemies the bad guys and make sure your audience knows you are the good guys fighting the good fight against oppression.

    4. Lends credibility. People want to see competence before they hand over the keys to power. Sticking to alt-right websites will not inspire confidence. Something similar is seen with Washington think tanks. Creating a party of smart, dedicated people is a good place to start.

    5. Creates a welcoming refuge for outcasts, making it more likely that people join, rather than defect, to your movement upon attack.

    6. Divides the republican party and sets you up to become the de facto resistance. Eventually in this rigged two-party system, people will have to start choosing between the GOP and your independence party. Once the GOP can never win the White House again, there will be nothing stopping Southerners from supporting you over people who can't win anyway. You should see that in advance and plan accordingly.

    7. The promise of reform. The government is extremely corrupt; the media is extremely corrupt. So much so that only fundamental reform - a new country - can change it. This will attract some additional supporters.

    8. A future of our own. White suicide is at all time highs, mainly because your people have no future in the Empire. Give them an alternative option where they do, and they will flock to your banner. A new independent country explicitly based on your ethnicity - perhaps with promises to let other European Americans move there after independence - will give people something to fight for. If Israel can have a home land, why can't you?

    9. Funding and support will come. Eventually, foreign governments will find a way to clandestinely back you. Before then, a political party will make it easier to raise money domestically for various reasons.

    10. Safety from oppression. The alt-left will inevitably strike back against Trump and his supporters in vile, illegal ways. People will look for defenders from this attack, drawing in more supporters to you.

    ...I could go on. This well is potentially very deep, but your side lacks the intellectual depth to go after it.

    What I am advocating is EXACTLY what the Zionists of the 1920s - 40s advocated, and look how that worked out for them; they have a home of their own now! Why are you any different? Again, is this a ploy for donations or something actually serious?

    The point is that Trump has proved that there is still fight left in core America. Channel it, use it. Continue with this delusion that you're going to take back America and you will lose everything. Cut your loses and win at least something. Don't give up either and live like the whites do in South Africa.

    Purges the spergs…autistic dorks…

    In other words, you want to purge Systemizing (as opposed to Empathizing) White Males.

    Baron-Cohen and associates say the E-S theory is a better predictor than gender of who chooses STEM subjects (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics).[2] The E-S theory has been extended into the ‘Extreme Male Brain‘ (EMB) theory of autism and Asperger syndrome, which are associated in the E-S theory with below-average empathy and average or above-average systemizing.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathizing–systemizing_theory

    Mr. McFeely, are you bitter that you got purged from admission into the engineering department?

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  46. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Alden
    You are right, but why did someone bring Luther into the conversation?

    Luther was backed by Charles 1 King of Spain who was also Charles 5 of the Holy Roman Hapsburg Empire. As such he ruled all of continental Europe but Scandinavia, Poland, France, and the Venetian Republic and the Pope’s territory in Italy.

    As King of Spain and overlord of Portugual the gold and silver of S America and the riches of the Portuguese posts in India Africa China and Japan poured in.

    Without Charles backing, Luther would have ended up

    One of the numerous Saint whatever the reformer or exiled to some frozen monastery to spend his life translating texts.

    Charles 5&1 wanted to break the power of the Papacy and rule supreme in Europe. That’s why he backed Luther. That’s why Lutheranism succeeded. Charles used his German Lutheran and Spanish Catholics to conquer and occupy Rome for years

    The religious bigot FKA MAX is an ignoramus whose never heard of Charles 5$1 and his conquest of Rome and his use of Luther to create a great empire in Europe.

    FKA MAX has been banned from most conservative and pro White sites because he insisted on inserting his anti Catholic bigotry and ignorance into every discussion.

    Maybe Catholics donate more than anti Catholic bigots. Maybe the owners of the websites got tired of his off topic anti Catholicism.

    Because Unz doesn’t censor, FKA MAX can still post his bigotry here. And knowledgeable historians can refute his bigotry.

    Catholics don’t have schools? The catholic parish school system is miles above the public school system. And there’s are thousands more Catholic schools than Lutheran schools.

    Even the poorest little southern Protestant churches have more Christian schools than the atheist gay clergy African Muslim importing Lutherans have schools.

    Sorry for the diatribe but just when I think FKA MAX has disappeared he pops up again.

    He should set up an anti Catholic site instead of inserting his bigotry on other sites.
    Again, sorry

    This is off-topic.

    FKA MAX has been banned from most conservative and pro White sites because he insisted on inserting his anti Catholic bigotry and ignorance into every discussion.
    [...]
    Because Unz doesn’t censor, FKA MAX can still post his bigotry here. And knowledgeable historians can refute his bigotry.

    I might be wrong, but this sure reads and sounds like you, Alden.

    FKA MAX has been banned from s lot of sites because of his more insane anti Catholic ideas.

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1634065

    I thought that you had switched to commenting anonymously a few months ago:

    This is you, Alden, right?

    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-well-tempered-clavichord/#comment-2335964

    Are you aware that you are breaking the Unz Review rules by not sticking to one username/handle?

    Given the wide-ranging discussion, often on highly controversial topics, the overwhelming majority of commenters prefer to maintain their anonymity behind a personal “handle,” and this is perfectly acceptable. However, commenters are absolutely prohibited from using multiple handles, which would allow them to engage in “sock-puppetry” and mislead others as to the widespread nature of their views.
    [...]
    However, any commenter may also freely leave comments under the Anonymous/Anon handles, which are absolutely anonymous.

    https://www.unz.com/masthead/#comments-policy

    If I’m correct, I hope that the Unz Review moderators investigate this case and merge your new Vera Figner handle with your established Alden username.

    If I’m wrong and this is not the case, please, just disregard this comment.

    And no, I have not been “banned from most conservative and pro White sites”.

    I choose to almost exclusively comment on the Unz Review because of its superior commenting software and comments moderation speed and policy, etc.

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  47. peterAUS says:
    @Anon
    "When you/we see former Joint Chiefs of Staff writing position papers supporting secession then I’ll buy that the game could…could…become serious."

    It only takes one to get it started. What's the harm in floating the idea? So far, these guys haven't even done that. I say put it out there, give it a shot and see what happens. Discuss the issue, have public debates. Isn't the US supposed to be some kind of democracy? The worst case scenario is that you are back to where you started - where you are now. But the best case scenario...

    Start a party, run for office in areas of the South where you are nearly assured to be victorious (some offices run without opposition), write position papers, run an advocacy website, take over local and state governments, use the power of the government to enhance your power and destroy your enemies. Isn't that what the left has done?

    Drop the Nazi crap, too, and you might even receive clandestine foreign support. Even Anglin has been smart enough to drop a lot of overt neo-Nazi imagery. Same words and articles as before, but now even more popular. Optics do matter.

    If Griffin really wants attention, that would be a tremendous way to get it. I can just imagine all the reporters who'd want to interview him should he win state or federal office - or even if he just put his name on the ballot. It makes a lot more sense than that marching crap.

    Honestly, what sense does it make to protest on Civil Rights monuments like the EP bridge? What kind of supporters does he really think he's going to get with that nonsense? Ordinary people see that and see a hick who's punching down on poor blacks. Even some extremely right wing people like Ann Coulter would denounce that. Dummie.

    So...is he serious or is he simply after donations from gullible internet spergs?

    It only takes one to get it started.

    Agree.
    It does.

    What’s the harm in floating the idea?

    None. Actually, it is very good, even necessary, to float that idea.

    So far, these guys haven’t even done that. I say put it out there, give it a shot and see what happens. Discuss the issue, have public debates. Isn’t the US supposed to be some kind of democracy? The worst case scenario is that you are back to where you started – where you are now. But the best case scenario…

    Agree.

    You want to talk serious? Let’s try.
    YOU appear to be a “political thinker”. I am just an ex-soldier. Now, I have some experience re secession (or so I say….Internet blabbing and such). So, I could, probably, say how a two star General would see all that (I worked, in a very small capacity, of course, for such types, or so I say….).
    Extremely simplified:
    The General isn’t happy with his society. But, he isn’t a politician, can’t do much about it. He’ll try to get his pension and live his years. But, he’ll constantly WATCH and wait for an opportunity. He’ll be able to seize it if/when he sees it.
    He reads a material put together by some people. Key expression: some people. It resonates. Feels right. A vision for a new society.
    Then, the General does his own, personal, feasibility study. In essence, can that vision be implemented. And, make no mistake, violence will be required. What type, who knows? Maybe just some fisticuffs in streets. Or, maybe, a full blown conventional warfare.
    In US case, perhaps even with (tactical) nukes.
    Or, maybe escalating in MAD because external parties get involved.

    Anyway….the General believes it can be done; feasibility study proves that.

    Then, the General contacts some of his people and they do that study again.
    When all of them are on the same page you can expect them to do something.

    Start getting public, making contacts and alliances with those people who produced that starting material etc.

    The game starts…..

    Start a party, run for office in areas of the South where you are nearly assured to be victorious (some offices run without opposition), write position papers, run an advocacy website, take over local and state governments, use the power of the government to enhance your power and destroy your enemies. Isn’t that what the left has done?

    Agree with position papers. The rest flows from it.
    And, those papers should state the vision first and foremost. And,then, how to implement that vision.

    Drop the Nazi crap, too, and you might even receive clandestine foreign support.

    Agree.

    So…is he serious or is he simply after donations from gullible internet spergs?

    Later.

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  48. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Alden
    Wrong as usual. Every Catholic Church in Europe had a school for boys and girls even the tiniest.

    What are the Lutherans doing today? They have disappeared in atheist Europe. In America they can no longer survive in donations so they’re reduced into begging the US government for money to resettle African Muslim immigrants into the formerly Lutheran heartland of America.

    Reading the Bible? Protestants dove into the sex perversion genocide invest and slaughter of the Jewish bible and ignored the Christian part of the Bible.

    Are you aware of what Old Testament reading did to Europe? Ever heard of the Ababaptist takeover of Munster Germany, Calvin’s jihad in Geneva the 30 years war in which Lutherans slaughtered other Lutherans until N East Germany was depopulated, the witch burnings, the American Puritans?

    After a few years of Old Testament lunatics howling and yowling in the streets and trying to destroy his new religion Henry 8 removed the public bibles from churches and forbade any but scholars and clergy from reading the Bible

    And exactly what does the 500 year old reformation have to do with survival of White Americans today?

    Absolutely totally nothing.

    Plus, Bible reading is a black thing. They are the ones who read Bibles at lunch and go around asking people to read with them. I think of Bible readers as blacks, not Whites.

    You’re all over the internet always bringing your bigoted 500 years out of date anti Catholicism into every thread.

    Lutherans are marrying gays and allowing gay clergy. A Swedish Lutheran lesbian Bishop, the top ruling Bishop of the Swedish Lutheran Church removed crosses and Christian imagery from her Church and installed Muslim writings

    When the last Lutheran Church in Germany, Scandinavia and America has been converted to a Mosque by the legally elected government, the Vatican and the glorious Orthodox churches will still be there.

    All the American religions are doing fake refugee scammer resettlement and putting them on life long welfare.

    The Lutheran Church is the absolute worst for bringing black African Muslim immigrants to live of welfare and replace Whites.

    Fast forward 500 years. And look at what the Lutheran Church is doing to replace White Lutherans with African Muslims.

    Was Weber Wrong?
    A Human Capital Theory of Protestant Economic History

    https://sites.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG07-04_Becker_Woessmann.pdf

    Max Weber attributed the higher economic prosperity of Protestant regions to a Protestant work ethic. We provide an alternative theory, where Protestant economies prospered because instruction in reading the Bible generated the human capital crucial to economic prosperity. County-level data from late 19th-century Prussia reveal that Protestantism was indeed associated not only with higher economic prosperity, but also with better education. We find that Protestants’ higher literacy can account for the whole gap in economic prosperity. Results hold when we exploit the initial concentric dispersion of the Reformation to use distance to Wittenberg as an instrument for Protestantism.
    [...]
    The same pattern is underscored by special tables in the 1871 Population Census which report literacy rates by religious denomination within each county. The descriptive evidence reveals that the literacy gap between Protestants and Catholics is smaller in predominantly Protestant counties, suggesting that Catholics profit from the supply effect of higher school
    density in Protestant counties. At the same time, the fact that Catholic literacy still significantly lags behind Protestant literacy even in the face of the same (better) school infrastructure points to an additional demand effect. p. 29
    [...]
    Appendix B: The Spread of Literacy from Lutheran Times to 1871
    [...]
    And in line with the preaching of Luther and Melanchthon, it was the Protestant churches which tried to advance matters of schooling, to a much larger extent than the limited attempts within the Catholic church. Schleunes (1989) points out that quite generally, when comparing the politics of Protestant-led Prussia and Catholic Bavaria over 1750-1900, it has always been Prussia that led school reforms and Bavaria that followed. – p. A5

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    Let's not forget, that in many Protestant countries, Catholics were (and still are) marginalized. Success in business and employment quite often depends on "connections"...If you are a Protestant who is looking to hire someone, wouldn't you rather hire someone belonging to your own religion or church? Northern Ireland comes to mind, with blatant discrimination against Catholics, with Protestant parade organizers purposely routing their "orange parades" through Catholic neighborhoods, for spite perhaps?
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  49. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Alden
    Wrong as usual. Every Catholic Church in Europe had a school for boys and girls even the tiniest.

    What are the Lutherans doing today? They have disappeared in atheist Europe. In America they can no longer survive in donations so they’re reduced into begging the US government for money to resettle African Muslim immigrants into the formerly Lutheran heartland of America.

    Reading the Bible? Protestants dove into the sex perversion genocide invest and slaughter of the Jewish bible and ignored the Christian part of the Bible.

    Are you aware of what Old Testament reading did to Europe? Ever heard of the Ababaptist takeover of Munster Germany, Calvin’s jihad in Geneva the 30 years war in which Lutherans slaughtered other Lutherans until N East Germany was depopulated, the witch burnings, the American Puritans?

    After a few years of Old Testament lunatics howling and yowling in the streets and trying to destroy his new religion Henry 8 removed the public bibles from churches and forbade any but scholars and clergy from reading the Bible

    And exactly what does the 500 year old reformation have to do with survival of White Americans today?

    Absolutely totally nothing.

    Plus, Bible reading is a black thing. They are the ones who read Bibles at lunch and go around asking people to read with them. I think of Bible readers as blacks, not Whites.

    You’re all over the internet always bringing your bigoted 500 years out of date anti Catholicism into every thread.

    Lutherans are marrying gays and allowing gay clergy. A Swedish Lutheran lesbian Bishop, the top ruling Bishop of the Swedish Lutheran Church removed crosses and Christian imagery from her Church and installed Muslim writings

    When the last Lutheran Church in Germany, Scandinavia and America has been converted to a Mosque by the legally elected government, the Vatican and the glorious Orthodox churches will still be there.

    All the American religions are doing fake refugee scammer resettlement and putting them on life long welfare.

    The Lutheran Church is the absolute worst for bringing black African Muslim immigrants to live of welfare and replace Whites.

    Fast forward 500 years. And look at what the Lutheran Church is doing to replace White Lutherans with African Muslims.

    By the way,

    Hunter Wallace/Brad Griffin is a Lutheran:

    I am not anti-Christian. I’m a Lutheran,” says Hunter Wallace, an alt-right blogger cited in Matthew Rose’s essay from our March issue, “The Anti-Christian Alt-Right.”

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/02/the-impossibility-of-alt-right-christianity

    Religion and Economic Growth in Western Europe: 1500-2000.

    https://web.stanford.edu/~cy10/public/Religion_and_Economic%20Growth_Western_Europe.pdf

    III. Education
    [...]
    Scotland is a great example of this. A founding principle of the Scottish Reformation (1560) was free education for the poor. Perhaps the world’s first local school tax was established in 1633 (strengthened in 1646). In this environment grew the Scottish Enlightenment: David Hume, Francis Hutcheson, Adam Ferguson, and the godfather of modern economics, Adam Smith. By this time, Scottish scholarship stood so far above that of other nations that Voltaire wrote, “we look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilization”.
    An attractive feature of this thinking about Protestantism is its amenability to quantitative empirical testing. Did Protestant countries invest more heavily in education? (This takes us away from seemingly intractable debates over what the theologians were saying.) Easterlin reports that at least in 1830, Protestant countries had much higher primary school enrollment: 17% in Germany, 15% in the US, 9% in the UK, 7% in France, and only about 3% or 4% in Italy and Spain (Easterlin 1981:18). – pp. 14-15

    The Growth of Literacy in Western Europe from 1500 to 1800

    By Dr. Robert A. Houston / 11.28.2011
    Professor of Modern History
    University of St. Andrews

    The Swedish literacy campaign was designed to consolidate the Lutheran Reformation in that country and many of the advances in reading and writing stemmed from the religious battles of the early modern period. It is commonly asserted that Protestantism is the religion of the Book and most early educational movements came out of evangelical needs. The Duchy of Württemberg had 89 schools in 1520 compared with over 400 by 1600 and across Germany in this period many rulers issued ordinances providing for or regulating elementary education.7 Indeed, Protestant countries tended to be more literate than Catholic ones and where the faiths co-existed, as in France, Ireland and the Low Countries, Calvinists were usually more educated than Catholics.8
    [...]
    Around 1900, Western Europe was divided between a literate, economically developed and largely Protestant north, a centre with pronounced regional variations, notably France, and a less literate, underdeveloped south, notably Italy. Vast areas of Eastern Europe, furthermore, resembled the far south. The sometimes painfully slow pace of change and the late arrival of mass literacy find their most extreme example in Portugal. Of those inhabitants over seven years of age in 1890, 76% were illiterate, falling only slightly to 74% in 1900 and 70% in 1911. The figure was still 68% in 1930 and it was not until the 1940s that more than half of Portugal’s population could read and write – more than a century after England and one and a half centuries after north-west Germany and lowland Scotland had reached that threshold.

    http://brewminate.com/the-growth-of-literacy-in-western-europe-from-1500-to-1800/ Archived link: http://archive.is/4t1Vz

    Very good graphs and figures in the following linked and archived forum post:

    Economic growth in the Early Modern Europe

    Source: http://historum.com/european-history/44491-economic-growth-early-modern-europe.html Archived link: http://archive.is/DwJmp

    Figure 8.3. European literacy levels per occupation, c. 1750-1800.

    As evident from figure 8.3 reformed German groups also had high rates of literacy. On the other hand, nearby Catholic groups had very 47 low literacy rates, just as the East Prussian peasants did.

    Source: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/European-literacy-levels-per-occupation-c-1750-1800_fig4_267391510

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  50. Dr. Doom says:

    Brad seems to be applying for a job with National Review. The fake “conservative” neocons aren’t hiring anymore, Brad.

    First, Charlottesville. The Dead Air Media prtrayed them as neo-nazis and racists. They were peacefully holding up signs and were attacked by Antifa terrorists. The police arrested people who defended themselves. Some went to jail.

    You won that battle, and LOST THE WAR.

    Any pretensions of equal justice are GONE. Your media now CENSORS. This is hardly a sign of strength. You won’t weather The Storm. Uncle Sham HAS NO SUPPORT. Just people wanting paychecks. The money is running out.

    Existential threats make namecalling ineffective. The Anti-White Hatred called opinion is digging your graves. Keep doubling down. Its all you have. You CANNOT walk it back.

    NEVER AGAIN. It will NEVER go back. Those dark skinned people DO NOT SERVE YOU. Their lack of loyalty outside of “tribe” CANNOT BE BRAINWASHED OUT. Tribe is all they know.

    YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO CONTROL THEM OR US.

    BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

    WAR IS HERE.

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  51. anarchyst says:
    @FKA Max
    Was Weber Wrong?
    A Human Capital Theory of Protestant Economic History

    https://sites.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG07-04_Becker_Woessmann.pdf

    Max Weber attributed the higher economic prosperity of Protestant regions to a Protestant work ethic. We provide an alternative theory, where Protestant economies prospered because instruction in reading the Bible generated the human capital crucial to economic prosperity. County-level data from late 19th-century Prussia reveal that Protestantism was indeed associated not only with higher economic prosperity, but also with better education. We find that Protestants’ higher literacy can account for the whole gap in economic prosperity. Results hold when we exploit the initial concentric dispersion of the Reformation to use distance to Wittenberg as an instrument for Protestantism.
    [...]
    The same pattern is underscored by special tables in the 1871 Population Census which report literacy rates by religious denomination within each county. The descriptive evidence reveals that the literacy gap between Protestants and Catholics is smaller in predominantly Protestant counties, suggesting that Catholics profit from the supply effect of higher school
    density in Protestant counties. At the same time, the fact that Catholic literacy still significantly lags behind Protestant literacy even in the face of the same (better) school infrastructure points to an additional demand effect. p. 29
    [...]
    Appendix B: The Spread of Literacy from Lutheran Times to 1871
    [...]
    And in line with the preaching of Luther and Melanchthon, it was the Protestant churches which tried to advance matters of schooling, to a much larger extent than the limited attempts within the Catholic church. Schleunes (1989) points out that quite generally, when comparing the politics of Protestant-led Prussia and Catholic Bavaria over 1750-1900, it has always been Prussia that led school reforms and Bavaria that followed. - p. A5

    Let’s not forget, that in many Protestant countries, Catholics were (and still are) marginalized. Success in business and employment quite often depends on “connections”…If you are a Protestant who is looking to hire someone, wouldn’t you rather hire someone belonging to your own religion or church? Northern Ireland comes to mind, with blatant discrimination against Catholics, with Protestant parade organizers purposely routing their “orange parades” through Catholic neighborhoods, for spite perhaps?

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    James Alex Fields pleads not guilty:

    Charlottesville Car Attack Suspect Pleads Not Guilty to Federal Hate Crimes

    Ms. Heyer’s mother, Susan Bro, was in the courtroom when Mr. Fields announced his plea. She said in a phone interview on Thursday that Mr. Fields hardly showed any emotion in the courtroom. When he pleaded not guilty, she said, she stayed silent amid gasps from victims who had been injured in the attack and who were in the courtroom.

    Ms. Bro said that although she had expected the not guilty plea, “it was still sort of a punch to the gut.”

    She said she planned to attend every court appearance until the trial is over, even if it takes years.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/us/charlottesville-plea-hate-crimes.html

    Charlottesville suspect charged with hate crimes – Daily Mail

    Jason Kessler on Unite the Right 2 : Antifa & other Groups Already Trying to Sabotage the Event

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    And when a Muslim drives a car into a crowd of people on a sidewalk, it's dismissed as accidental and no charge is brought. We need to prosecute Muslims the same as others, right here in the USA.
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  53. peterAUS says:
    @Anon
    "When you/we see former Joint Chiefs of Staff writing position papers supporting secession then I’ll buy that the game could…could…become serious."

    It only takes one to get it started. What's the harm in floating the idea? So far, these guys haven't even done that. I say put it out there, give it a shot and see what happens. Discuss the issue, have public debates. Isn't the US supposed to be some kind of democracy? The worst case scenario is that you are back to where you started - where you are now. But the best case scenario...

    Start a party, run for office in areas of the South where you are nearly assured to be victorious (some offices run without opposition), write position papers, run an advocacy website, take over local and state governments, use the power of the government to enhance your power and destroy your enemies. Isn't that what the left has done?

    Drop the Nazi crap, too, and you might even receive clandestine foreign support. Even Anglin has been smart enough to drop a lot of overt neo-Nazi imagery. Same words and articles as before, but now even more popular. Optics do matter.

    If Griffin really wants attention, that would be a tremendous way to get it. I can just imagine all the reporters who'd want to interview him should he win state or federal office - or even if he just put his name on the ballot. It makes a lot more sense than that marching crap.

    Honestly, what sense does it make to protest on Civil Rights monuments like the EP bridge? What kind of supporters does he really think he's going to get with that nonsense? Ordinary people see that and see a hick who's punching down on poor blacks. Even some extremely right wing people like Ann Coulter would denounce that. Dummie.

    So...is he serious or is he simply after donations from gullible internet spergs?

    And….hehehe………..as you can see, that topic of yours, “secession”, isn’t quite popular around.
    Like nobody, even on this site, cares about it.
    Or, maybe does care but there is that feeling of fear when starting to contemplate that.

    I’ve come, ages ago, to conclusion that, save some miracle, secession isn’t happening in USA.

    It’s like those nice ideas which just can’t be done.

    Now, why it can’t be done could be an interesting conversation, one day. For you, me and maybe two-three guys on this site.
    I have a theory, based on late Roman Republic/early Empire.

    You know, next time when you mention “secession” maybe you could mix, in that post, keywords: “JFK”, “Liberty”, “9/11″, “Hitler”, “Holocaust tm” and last, but definitely not least “Jews”.
    That would increase number of posts/replies; not necessarily the quality. On the contrary most likely.

    But, miracles do happen.
    We just need to be patient.

    One day……..

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  54. KenH says:
    @KenH
    There's definitely some high points and good things in this speech, but Brad Griffin has always had a tendency to lash out and punch right when there's setbacks and this speech unfortunately is no different. Throwing James Fields Jr. under the bus as an unvetted liability when he was just trying to get to his car to leave the area but was forced to make split second life or death decisions in fleeing a howling left wing mob threatening to kill him? Really?

    How is James Fields Jr. any different from the "vetted" LotS members who got into fisticuffs with leftist scum?

    Had the Charlottesville fuzz done their job we never would have heard about James Fields, Jr. and Heather Heyer would be happily wolfing down twinkies and ding dongs and packing on more pounds. But they didn't and Chartlottesville proved that the left has now become so radical and criminal that the Constitution is inapplicable to whites who don't hate themselves in cities under their control. And mac daddy Trump, "our guy" and his AG are letting the get away with it.

    I'm not an activist nor do I hobnob with movement luminaries, so I'm not attuned to all the gossip, drama and politics. But I don't recall any alt-right group trashing League of the South specifically on any of their platforms for the supposedly "bad optics" at the UtR rally in Charlottesville. If some did then they were only speaking for themselves and not the entire alt-right.

    LotS is really just a conservative organization some of whose members still seem to be refighting the civil war. It doesn't even appear to place very much if any emphasis on race, but I could be wrong. As such it doesn't possess the ideological mettle to do battle with the radical left and their revolutionary agenda of white dispossession and genocide.

    I found a very good 2017 article (pre-Charlottesville) from League president Michael Hill discussing both the Jewish role in leftist movements and black racial radicalism, so I’m glad they are aware of and do discuss these topics in their organization. Apparently I did not look long enough or hard enough the first time I went to their website.

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  55. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon
    "Former."

    Unfortunately, I have to agree. Hence, their insistence on this stupid and unproductive marching thing. It's just a way to get attention, and therefore, donations from readers.

    "B.T.W. wouldn’t attempt to organize a party with secession as platform be illegal?
    Usually is."

    Not quite. There is a lot of legal room there. For example, lots of voter oaths state that citizens may not overthrow the government using "illegal"means. Interpret that as you will.

    In any case, it would be very good for the government to crack down on such an effort as it would completely delegitimize their authority and expose them as the authoritarians they are; this would further radicalize things.

    Further, Cal-Exit types have already set the precedent; there is even a left wing comic book with that title floating around. Until they are hauled away to prison, you can't really lecture anyone about not doing the same.

    If Yugoslavia can break apart with US help, what legal justification could the Empire really use to keep a couple of Southern states from doing the same?

    "If that’s the case, feels suicidal."

    There is a way to get it done peacefully. Just take over a state government, organize the military to support only that government and people, put secession on the ballot, use the military and police to enforce it when you win (and encourage the public to fight in the streets if necessary, offer full pardons to those who do). In other words, use the political party to take over the levers of government and cultural power, then use them against your enemy.

    This is EXACTLY what the radical left has done.

    They control the media and use them to brainwash people for their ends (see late night propaganda shows on network), they have a suite of control organizations dedicated to shutting down free speech and later justifying it using legal technicalities (ADL, SPLC, etc.), they use lawfare to shut down dissidents, they purge wrong thinkers from social media, they dox and purge dissidents (sometimes with corporate help), they ban websites they don't like (Daily Stormer - yeah, you can hate Anglin's guts but the guy should have a right to express himself; how many BLM websites have been shut down?), they promote intimidation rallies against our people by attacking our monuments, they get people fired for exercising their constitutionally protected speech while defending their side when others want to do the same to them (Samantha Bee), they attack us as racists while forbidding us to even point out their hypocrisy on the subject....

    The whole system is geared towards making people think they have freedoms that they really do not have. If the wrong people express themselves, they are mercilessly destroyed. Meanwhile, leftist racists run wild doing the same with no consequences or national media attention. See Evergreen State as an example.

    The whole corrupt system is geared toward allowing some people to discriminate against others while forbidding their victims from doing the same in turn.

    Has any leftist been fired for those hateful statue riots? Lots of right wingers have.

    Has any leftist been fired for advocating Cal-Exit? Has corporate America boycotted leftwing racist websites for their role in the Ferguson Effect, now basically proved true along with another study proving white cops do not target blacks? They boycotted Breitbart. Have they boycotted Huffington Compost, Salon, or the Young Turks?

    The right lost the culture war because they face an enemy that has done exactly this to them while they sat crowing about "muh freedoms" and "private enterprise." You can't win a war with one hand tied behind your back; you can't be a good guy if your enemy is determined to be the bad guy.

    There is a way to get it done peacefully. Just take over a state government, organize the military to support only that government and people, put secession on the ballot, use the military and police to enforce it when you win (and encourage the public to fight in the streets if necessary, offer full pardons to those who do).

    Wow, I never realised it would be so easy. Just take over a state government? That should be dead simple. I’m sure lots of state governments would be willing to just hand over power. And then effectively taking over the military. Just too easy.

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  56. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sollipsist
    Sounds Mormon.

    I know, it sounds like I'm making a joke, and I am... but also consider the relatively widespread power that the LDS Church has grown - with a comparable population and dedication to moral and intellectual fitness. Whatever you may think of their theology (and certain practices), they're largely characteristic of the exact ideals that Mr. Griffin is promoting.

    How long would it take for the League to go from being politically shunned outcasts and targets of violence to having a state and a major university? At which point, mutually beneficial support would be a natural consideration. Perhaps by that time, other movements will have developed along similar lines.

    Long-term ain't exciting, and it sounds like speculative fiction right now, but that's one way that a politically viable, individually healthy, and principled conservative bloc could arise.

    I/We have written extensively about the Latter Day Saints – Mormon church at Occidental Dissent. I’ve been a part of the LDS church for 20 years, definitely have their strengths and weaknesses.

    Strengths – good organizations, have resisted most of the cultural/political plagues of the late 1960s – dodged the bullet of feminism. LDS doesn’t have full time political priesthood, local church leaders were chosen by the local congregation so there isn’t the huge problem of seminaries being taken over by cultural marxists, liberation theology, sexual degenerates as has happened with Catholic church and all mainline protestant churches.

    LDS are good at sports and music – they are terrible, god awful public speakers, extremely boring and this translates in to political leaders like Orin Hatch.

    If you are having problems with insomnia, problems sleeping go for a hike, drink some good red wine then put on a video of Orin Hatch speaking on and on about….

    Nothing.

    LDS Mormon pols are the ultimate cuckservatives – they go along to get along with the system. They would rather get caught in bed with a young boy then ever publicly oppose Neo Conservative Zionist wars.

    LDS Mormons political leaders are God awful – terrible on the lie or die issue of mass non European immigration in to the USA/the West – LDS Mormon pols are really as bad as the Jews on immigration.

    The original LDS Mormons like Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and especially Porter Rockwell were bad asses and pro White racial separatists. But that is now all in the past.

    The LDS Mormon Church is now mostly a club of nice, neat, well dressed people who will tent to agree with whomever is in the room with them at the time.

    The LDS Mormons are really the only American White christians left who are trying to convert every last single non White, non European on planet earth to their Christian faith/denomination which translates on the ground that every single Ameri Indian in Central America, every single Somoan, every single Black African in the Congo wants to join the LDS Mormon Church with the idea that they get to move to the United States and live the life of Donny and Marie Osmond family in Utah or Suburban Chicago.

    Who keeps re-electing John McCaine in Arizona?

    Answer idiot LDS Mormons.

    Who pushed through the Matthew Shepherd Federal Hate Crime/Thought Crime bill?

    Answer: LDS Sen. Harry Reid

    These LDS Mormons now worship Martin Luther King Jr as a saint and I have to hear the Black National Anthem in LDS Church in Obama’s Chicago University community.

    Tax exempt organized Christian (in name only) religion isn’t working for us these days.

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  57. artichoke says:

    I appreciate the writer’s frustration, but Trump is doing his best to accomplish the border wall, a pro-life agenda, and promoting family values. But the way our system works, Congress has to give him money, and district judges are obstructing him in a historically unprecedented way. He’s fighting many enemies. The writer could have done no better (and likely much worse) in enacting his desired agenda.

    The desecration of monuments and invigoration of the left may have been slightly less under Hillary, but there would have been no light at the end of that tunnel. With Trump, there’s a chance. Those were the two choices. I do think there’s hope now.

    The writer doesn’t take on the challenge of stating what Trump should have done differently.

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  58. artichoke says:
    @FKA Max
    James Alex Fields pleads not guilty:

    Charlottesville Car Attack Suspect Pleads Not Guilty to Federal Hate Crimes


    Ms. Heyer’s mother, Susan Bro, was in the courtroom when Mr. Fields announced his plea. She said in a phone interview on Thursday that Mr. Fields hardly showed any emotion in the courtroom. When he pleaded not guilty, she said, she stayed silent amid gasps from victims who had been injured in the attack and who were in the courtroom.

    Ms. Bro said that although she had expected the not guilty plea, “it was still sort of a punch to the gut.”

    She said she planned to attend every court appearance until the trial is over, even if it takes years.
     
    - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/us/charlottesville-plea-hate-crimes.html

    Charlottesville suspect charged with hate crimes - Daily Mail

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBEzuHcGp6c

    Jason Kessler on Unite the Right 2 : Antifa & other Groups Already Trying to Sabotage the Event

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_XHiAGX-QQ

    And when a Muslim drives a car into a crowd of people on a sidewalk, it’s dismissed as accidental and no charge is brought. We need to prosecute Muslims the same as others, right here in the USA.

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  59. Anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    “The writer doesn’t take on the challenge of stating what Trump should have done differently.”

    That’s because he doesn’t have a plan himself. Otherwise, he’d present it. He doesn’t because he doesn’t know what to do or he’s afraid people will rip apart his dumb ideas as soon as they are presented. Those who can’t do criticize.

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  60. Anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    “Wow, I never realised it would be so easy. Just take over a state government? That should be dead simple. I’m sure lots of state governments would be willing to just hand over power. And then effectively taking over the military. Just too easy.”

    Lol, STFU. Tell that to George Washington and Ben Franklin: “Hey guys…yeah, we’re gonna have to pack it up; just heard from some future internet sperg that resistance is futile. Just stay in your basements and keep preaching. Any day now the economy will collapse and superman will arrive to save us. Until then, we’ve got those heroes at Occidental Dissent…yeah, just donate right here…right there. Yes, we take bitcoin.”

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  61. Anon[409] • Disclaimer says:

    “And….hehehe………..as you can see, that topic of yours, “secession”, isn’t quite popular around.
    Like nobody, even on this site, cares about it. … I’ve come, ages ago, to conclusion that, save some miracle, secession isn’t happening in USA. … It’s like those nice ideas which just can’t be done.”

    Sad, but true. Whites aren’t particularly intelligent or creative. Otherwise, they never would have gotten us into this situation (or they’d at least be willing to do what it takes to get us out of it). The future of the country is Venezuela…or worse. We’re just a single presidential election away from meltdown, from the election of some socialist Chavez type (and with the Democrat’s automatic lock on the White House post 2020, that will become more likely quicker than anyone things).

    “Now, why it can’t be done could be an interesting conversation, one day. For you, me and maybe two-three guys on this site. I have a theory, based on late Roman Republic/early Empire.”

    I’d love to hear it, actually.

    My theory:

    People don’t change their beliefs after about the age of 30, regardless of fact or circumstance. Since the country has changed so dramatically so quickly, there hasn’t been time enough for a new generation to come to power – one that has experienced a taste of what’s to come. You see hints of the younger generation getting panicked you Youtube over SJWs…but not so much for older types raised in American patriotism. That’s why you don’t see this idea on Unz: the average commenter is probably 45-55 y.o.

    Add that to all the creature comforts and mass social media brainwashing, and the people are just too comfortable to make drastic changes. Only when the water starts boiling will they – too late – try to do anything about it.

    That may have something to do with the theory you spoke of. Rome ceased to be Rome long before it collapsed. People learned to keep their heads down and became unwilling to fight for something they felt wasn’t representative of their close circle. Nations are basically extended families. People will fight for it and sacrifice for it when they feel that they are doing themselves – their genes – a favor. When that ceases to be the case, the motivation to sacrifice and fight for it vanishes. People keep their heads down and go along to get along.

    I think it’s maybe time we start considering other countries to move to.

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    I guess we agree here.

    (Un)fortunately, serious conversation about the topic isn't possible here.
    We could probably have a long chat over drinks and compare notes. We'd, likely, find those notes quite similar.

    It is what it is.

    Having said that, well, humans are interesting species. Things could easily go as you said, but, something else could happen too.

    Often, more TPTBs feel more power and control they have, closer the tipping/breaking point is. Who knows those things?

    There is that simmering rage, impossible to measure and quantify. Sometimes it takes just a little spark, coming out of nowhere to start the fire.
    Humans.......
    And when the fire starts it consumes.........

    As for

    I think it’s maybe time we start considering other countries to move to.

     

    it's not a bad option.

    Or, keep low profile, go along to get along, and WATCH.

    The trick is to recognize the spark.

    Maybe it will come, maybe not.
    But, should it come, one has to be as ready as possible for it.
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  62. Anon[409] • Disclaimer says:

    “You know, next time when you mention “secession” maybe you could mix, in that post, keywords: “JFK”, “Liberty”, “9/11″, “Hitler”, “Holocaust tm” and last, but definitely not least “Jews”.
    That would increase number of posts/replies; not necessarily the quality. On the contrary most likely.”

    Ironically, that makes me less supportive of secession than I was previously. What’s the point of having a new country if it is filled with imbeciles?

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  63. Having followed Hunter’s work for some time, and being a Brit living in America, I feel obligated to point out an uncomfortable fact:

    The average White American can’t be saved.

    Now before people get angry with me for being the bearer of bad news, please try to look at this logically. The rate of inter-racial marriage in America is much higher than in Europe and most White Americans have zero conception of ‘blood & soil.’ America lacks the critical mass necessary to create a successful racialist movement.

    The solution is to leave the nation. You want your own ethno-state? Well you are not going to build it inside the USA. The Union is one of the most powerful nations in the world and it will not let you secede. You would need far higher quality people than what you have to work with. So my advice is to stop trying to fight the inevitable and instead adapt to the circumstances you find yourself in:

    1. Begin petitioning nations such as New Zealand and Russia to allow you to settle there.

    2. Begin building American communities abroad.

    That is what I would do if I were you.

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    Begin petitioning nations such as New Zealand.....
     
    You serious ?!?..........
    I mean petitioning Kiwis, from position of white racialists/whatever, to allow you to settle there?

    Cancel the question. I should've asked "are you insane"?

    Anyway, why don't you spend, say, 3 months in NZ and then see will you write something like that again?
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  64. peterAUS says:
    @Anon
    "And….hehehe………..as you can see, that topic of yours, “secession”, isn’t quite popular around.
    Like nobody, even on this site, cares about it. ... I’ve come, ages ago, to conclusion that, save some miracle, secession isn’t happening in USA. ... It’s like those nice ideas which just can’t be done."

    Sad, but true. Whites aren't particularly intelligent or creative. Otherwise, they never would have gotten us into this situation (or they'd at least be willing to do what it takes to get us out of it). The future of the country is Venezuela...or worse. We're just a single presidential election away from meltdown, from the election of some socialist Chavez type (and with the Democrat's automatic lock on the White House post 2020, that will become more likely quicker than anyone things).

    "Now, why it can’t be done could be an interesting conversation, one day. For you, me and maybe two-three guys on this site. I have a theory, based on late Roman Republic/early Empire."

    I'd love to hear it, actually.

    My theory:

    People don't change their beliefs after about the age of 30, regardless of fact or circumstance. Since the country has changed so dramatically so quickly, there hasn't been time enough for a new generation to come to power - one that has experienced a taste of what's to come. You see hints of the younger generation getting panicked you Youtube over SJWs...but not so much for older types raised in American patriotism. That's why you don't see this idea on Unz: the average commenter is probably 45-55 y.o.

    Add that to all the creature comforts and mass social media brainwashing, and the people are just too comfortable to make drastic changes. Only when the water starts boiling will they - too late - try to do anything about it.

    That may have something to do with the theory you spoke of. Rome ceased to be Rome long before it collapsed. People learned to keep their heads down and became unwilling to fight for something they felt wasn't representative of their close circle. Nations are basically extended families. People will fight for it and sacrifice for it when they feel that they are doing themselves - their genes - a favor. When that ceases to be the case, the motivation to sacrifice and fight for it vanishes. People keep their heads down and go along to get along.

    I think it's maybe time we start considering other countries to move to.

    I guess we agree here.

    (Un)fortunately, serious conversation about the topic isn’t possible here.
    We could probably have a long chat over drinks and compare notes. We’d, likely, find those notes quite similar.

    It is what it is.

    Having said that, well, humans are interesting species. Things could easily go as you said, but, something else could happen too.

    Often, more TPTBs feel more power and control they have, closer the tipping/breaking point is. Who knows those things?

    There is that simmering rage, impossible to measure and quantify. Sometimes it takes just a little spark, coming out of nowhere to start the fire.
    Humans…….
    And when the fire starts it consumes………

    As for

    I think it’s maybe time we start considering other countries to move to.

    it’s not a bad option.

    Or, keep low profile, go along to get along, and WATCH.

    The trick is to recognize the spark.

    Maybe it will come, maybe not.
    But, should it come, one has to be as ready as possible for it.

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  65. peterAUS says:
    @Arthur Vickstrom
    Having followed Hunter's work for some time, and being a Brit living in America, I feel obligated to point out an uncomfortable fact:

    The average White American can't be saved.

    Now before people get angry with me for being the bearer of bad news, please try to look at this logically. The rate of inter-racial marriage in America is much higher than in Europe and most White Americans have zero conception of 'blood & soil.' America lacks the critical mass necessary to create a successful racialist movement.

    The solution is to leave the nation. You want your own ethno-state? Well you are not going to build it inside the USA. The Union is one of the most powerful nations in the world and it will not let you secede. You would need far higher quality people than what you have to work with. So my advice is to stop trying to fight the inevitable and instead adapt to the circumstances you find yourself in:

    1. Begin petitioning nations such as New Zealand and Russia to allow you to settle there.

    2. Begin building American communities abroad.

    That is what I would do if I were you.

    Begin petitioning nations such as New Zealand…..

    You serious ?!?……….
    I mean petitioning Kiwis, from position of white racialists/whatever, to allow you to settle there?

    Cancel the question. I should’ve asked “are you insane”?

    Anyway, why don’t you spend, say, 3 months in NZ and then see will you write something like that again?

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    New Zealand has a retarded government (and lots of diversity in the North Island) but from what I've heard the South Island is something like 90% White, is more conservative, and has a small total population (less than 2 million).

    If we could meme 'South Island Independence' into becoming a mainstream thing then we could cleave NZ in half and begin moving like minded ethnic Britons from across the Anglosphere to the South Island. Within a few years we could have a self-sufficient ethno-state.

    Btw, what's the alternative? If we move to Eastern Europe we will be assimilated into the Slavic masses (which I would be happy to do if I were a Slav). I want my co-ethnics to have a future and to preserve our unique traits.
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  66. @peterAUS

    Begin petitioning nations such as New Zealand.....
     
    You serious ?!?..........
    I mean petitioning Kiwis, from position of white racialists/whatever, to allow you to settle there?

    Cancel the question. I should've asked "are you insane"?

    Anyway, why don't you spend, say, 3 months in NZ and then see will you write something like that again?

    New Zealand has a retarded government (and lots of diversity in the North Island) but from what I’ve heard the South Island is something like 90% White, is more conservative, and has a small total population (less than 2 million).

    If we could meme ‘South Island Independence’ into becoming a mainstream thing then we could cleave NZ in half and begin moving like minded ethnic Britons from across the Anglosphere to the South Island. Within a few years we could have a self-sufficient ethno-state.

    Btw, what’s the alternative? If we move to Eastern Europe we will be assimilated into the Slavic masses (which I would be happy to do if I were a Slav). I want my co-ethnics to have a future and to preserve our unique traits.

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    Well....

    New Zealand has a retarded government (and lots of diversity in the North Island) but from what I’ve heard the South Island is something like 90% White, is more conservative, and has a small total population (less than 2 million).

    If we could meme ‘South Island Independence’ into becoming a mainstream thing then we could cleave NZ in half and begin moving like minded ethnic Britons from across the Anglosphere to the South Island. Within a few years we could have a self-sufficient ethno-state.
     

    you do have sort of a point there.
    A very little point I am afraid.

    I just don't think that approach will work in the current paradigm.
    Emphasize on "current".

    Simple reason: the might of US military will squash any such attempt, anywhere in the world. It keeps squashing nationalist countries; what it would do to a "Nazi" state.........let's not even think about it.


    Btw, what’s the alternative?
     
    Carving that entity out from the current USA. Accomplishes several things. Big topic.
    All academic for the moment.

    The alternative is the same subjugated people/classes faced during any Empire.
    From Rome to the current one.

    Keep low profile, go along to get along, create own "cubicle" in this reality, and be ready to jump should the opportunity present itself. Maybe it will, maybe it will not.

    The key is weakening of the state's capability to deliver violence, for any reason imaginable.
    When/if that happens you/we will have our chance.

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  67. peterAUS says:
    @Arthur Vickstrom
    New Zealand has a retarded government (and lots of diversity in the North Island) but from what I've heard the South Island is something like 90% White, is more conservative, and has a small total population (less than 2 million).

    If we could meme 'South Island Independence' into becoming a mainstream thing then we could cleave NZ in half and begin moving like minded ethnic Britons from across the Anglosphere to the South Island. Within a few years we could have a self-sufficient ethno-state.

    Btw, what's the alternative? If we move to Eastern Europe we will be assimilated into the Slavic masses (which I would be happy to do if I were a Slav). I want my co-ethnics to have a future and to preserve our unique traits.

    Well….

    New Zealand has a retarded government (and lots of diversity in the North Island) but from what I’ve heard the South Island is something like 90% White, is more conservative, and has a small total population (less than 2 million).

    If we could meme ‘South Island Independence’ into becoming a mainstream thing then we could cleave NZ in half and begin moving like minded ethnic Britons from across the Anglosphere to the South Island. Within a few years we could have a self-sufficient ethno-state.

    you do have sort of a point there.
    A very little point I am afraid.

    I just don’t think that approach will work in the current paradigm.
    Emphasize on “current”.

    Simple reason: the might of US military will squash any such attempt, anywhere in the world. It keeps squashing nationalist countries; what it would do to a “Nazi” state………let’s not even think about it.

    Btw, what’s the alternative?

    Carving that entity out from the current USA. Accomplishes several things. Big topic.
    All academic for the moment.

    The alternative is the same subjugated people/classes faced during any Empire.
    From Rome to the current one.

    Keep low profile, go along to get along, create own “cubicle” in this reality, and be ready to jump should the opportunity present itself. Maybe it will, maybe it will not.

    The key is weakening of the state’s capability to deliver violence, for any reason imaginable.
    When/if that happens you/we will have our chance.

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