The Unz Review - Mobile
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 James Kirkpatrick Archive
Sure, Establishment Ed Gillespie Didn’t Run On Trump’s Agenda. But Trump Isn’t Enacting His Agenda Either
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>
GeneralLeePopular

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New Reply
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

For immigration patriots, there’s a Narrative in place to explaining the crushing defeat of the GOP throughout Virginia on Tuesday night. “Establishment Ed” Gillespie, whose entire life story is a kind of Pilgrim’s Progress illustrating the utter pointlessness of the Beltway Right, didn’t push the Donald Trump agenda and so Trump’s voters didn’t turn out. True—but insufficient. A more disturbing explanation must be faced: President Trump has energized the Left but he’s not energizing the working-class voters who gave him victory—because he is not sufficiently delivering for them.

This is not to say Trump is responsible for Gillespie’s defeat. True, Gillespie, incredibly in view of his record, did flirt with immigration patriotism by highlighting opposition to Sanctuary Cities and MS-13. But even the victorious Democrat Ralph Northam was declaring he was opposed to Sanctuary Cities by the end of the campaign. And a half-hearted stab in the Culture Wars isn’t unusual for Gillespie: he declared his support for keeping the “Washington Redskins” logo in his doomed Senate run. But in general, Gillespie ran a typical GOP Establishment campaign.

The results were not surprising. Gillespie lost by a far greater margin than Ken Cuccinelli did in his achingly close 2013 effort, as well as by more than Trump did in 2016 [GOP Establishment Failure: Gillespie Lost By More Points Than Trump, Cuccinelli in Virginia Elections, by Sean Moran, Breitbart, November 8, 2017]. Trump won 1,769,443 votes in Virginia, while Hillary Clinton had 1,981,473. Gillespie only took 1,174,650 votes compared to Northam’s 1,407,829, bleeding far more Trump voters than Northam lost Clinton voters. Gillespie lost 594,793 Trump votes; Northam only lost 573,644 votes from a higher number.

As the Washington Post gloated, Northam even managed to surpass Clinton’s vote in Hampton Roads and Central Virginia, and he won Northern Virginia by a greater margin than did President Barack Obama in either of his presidential campaigns [An enthusiastic, more polarized electorate gave Northam the win, by Dan Keating and Kevin Uhrmacher, November 8, 2017]. The same Post article showed the Republicans continue to win rural areas of the state by ever greater margins.

However, as Vox’s Seth Masket documents, the numbers of white, rural votes were not anything close to what President Trump was able to achieve [Rural white voters didn’t show up for Virginia’s election, November 9, 2017]. Turnout in rural Southwest Virginia, a GOP stronghold, was poor compared to the rest of the state [SW. Va turnout trails much of state, by David McGee, Bristol Herald Courier, November 8, 2017].

Further support for pinning the defeat on “Establishment Ed”: Lieutenant Governor candidate Jill Vogel and Attorney General candidate John Adams both did better than Gillespie, and about as well as Trump [5 Takeaways On Virginia’s Election Sweep For Democrats, by Mollie Hemingway, The Federalist, November 8, 2017].

(It should also be noted a solid majority want to keep Confederate monuments in place. General Lee is still more popular than the GOP in Virginia.) [Early Exit Polls: Virginia Voters Favor Keeping Confederate Monuments, NBC, November 7, 2017]

Patrick J. Buchanan, in his autopsy of the GOP race, declared Republicans can’t afford to move away from President Trump both because his voters are “indispensable” and because “a house divided cannot stand.” Yet Buchanan also said Trump’s voters are insufficient to win a statewide race, especially as the Democrats are now focusing more technology, logistical support and GOTV efforts on local races.

The bottom line: Donald Trump has energized and united Democrats. The recent Pew breakdowns of the two major political parties showed an astonishing 99% of “Solid Liberals,” by far the largest component of the Democrat Party, are opposed to President Trump. Northern Virginia is no longer competitive for Republicans. Southside Virginia was not motivated enough to make up the difference.

Some Republicans are shrugging that Virginia is now a “blue state,” largely thanks to immigration, and therefore, Gillespie’s defeat was basically expected [Bannon warns GOP fight for country far from over, WND, November 9, 2017].

But this is a simplification. Hispanics were only 6% of the electorate. Northam’s increasing his share of the female vote even above what Hillary Clinton was able to win was far more significant and the usual monolithic black vote indispensable to the Democratic victory [Exit poll results: How different groups of Virginians voted, Washington Post, November 8, 2017].

The GOP’s real problem is the white vote (as in California). Gillespie got a 57% share, which while a solid victory is low for a Southern state—for example, Trump got 63% in neighboring North Carolina—and in fact is about what Trump got nationwide in 2016.

And two major points in the Virginia exit polls should be keeping Republicans up at night:

  • First, a sizable plurality of those polled, almost forty percent, identified healthcare as the most important issue in determining how they voted [Decision 2017 Virginia Results Exit Polls, NBC News, November 10, 2017].

The Congressional GOP’s master strategy of trying to destroy Obamacare by letting premiums increase, is, not surprisingly, tearing down statewide and local candidates who have almost no control over this policy.

  • Second, almost a majority “strongly” disapproved of President Trump’s job performance (with a solid majority disapproving if you count those who “somewhat” disapproved.

Twice as many people said expressing opposition to Donald Trump was a reason for voting as did those who said they were voting to support the president. Thus, those opposed to Trump are turning out while the rural voters he won over in 2016 are not.

Lip service to immigration patriotism and Culture War gestures such as defending Confederate monuments are not enough to combat these trends. (For those who identified “immigration” as the most important issue, presumably either for or against, Gillespie won decisively, for all the good it did him). Trump has been delivering, at least somewhat, on immigration. But that isn’t enough for his voters.

What Trump has really been executing is something like “Conservatism Plus.” It’s the Paul Ryan agenda, only with more emphasis on immigration enforcement, a greater willingness to take on the Culture Wars and violate PC taboos and a combative attitude towards the Main Stream Media. This is all very well, but it doesn’t really provide working class voters a reason to turn out enthusiastically. The Conservative Establishment’s insistence that “tax cuts” will solve these problems is also a pipe dream [Taxes won’t work for Trump. Trade and Immigration Will, by Peter Brimelow, Daily Caller, April 4, 2017]

As the Pew analysis of the GOP shows, “Market Skeptical Republicans” are now one of the largest factions in the GOP. This is not the time to double down on making sure the likes of George Soros and Mark Zuckerburg have more money to donate to far-Left causes.

Instead, President Trump and the Republican Party need to start breaking up the Democrats’ unwieldly Coalition of the Fringes and giving their own supporters reasons to turn out.

Some things they could do tomorrow:

These are issues which would not divide the party and simply require a modicum of courage and political skill. (Of course, I expect nothing from The Stupid Party, but one can dream.)

The larger problems surround trade, and, above all, health care. President Trump has actually delivered, to some extent, on the economy, which is booming. Manufacturing is up [U.S. Manufacturing Powering Up, Regional Report Cards Show, by Vince Golle, Bloomberg, October 31 2017].

But the GOP has already failed repeatedly to repeal Obamacare. This is because the approach was, as Ann Coulter memorably observed, not by allowing a free market in health care, but by trying to tinker with an inherently flawed system.

Though most conservatives disagree with me, I believe even a single-payer system would be preferable to what exists now. A free market approach would also be better. Doing nothing, admitting defeat, and fully funding subsidies until circumstances wouldn’t even be a bad idea politically.

But what is certain is that the current approach of bragging about “letting Obamacare implode” and allowing premiums to increase is a recipe for political disaster. The inability of Republican leaders to see this beggars belief.

“Trumpism” can’t simply be mild restrictions on immigration, trash-talking on Twitter, and business as usual when it comes to taxes. It has to be a concerted effort to support the American working class and to dismantle multiculturalism, pushing policies majorities of Americans agree with and that Democrats can’t afford to oppose.

The elections in Virginia are a wake-up call. The GOP needs to act with a sense of urgency. Telling Republicans to stick by President Trump is a start, but it is not enough.

It’s time for President Trump to stick by his voters in rural America and the Rust Belt who put their faith in him.

James Kirkpatrick [Email him] is a Beltway veteran and a refugee from Conservatism Inc.

(Republished from VDare.com by permission of author or representative)
 
Hide 68 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
    []
  1. Biden probably would have defeated Trump had he been allowed to run in 2016, and he will defeat him if he runs in 2020, if Trump does not do some serious swamp draining and pronto.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Biden will be 78 in 2020. Trump will be 74. So Trump might have a chance. But your overall point is valid: unless Donald Trump starts acting more like the 2016 presidential candidate and less like the 2017 tool of the Deep State, his reelection prospects are dismal. As the James Kirkpatrick article says, Trump has energized the Democrats without doing much to energize the people who put him in office.

    Biden might have been a decent Democratic candidate in 2016 if he had selected Elizabeth Warren as his VP and promised to serve only one term as a caretaker, Obama third term, transition president. Hillary Clinton was a dreadful candidate and yet she almost won.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc.
    AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
    These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used once per hour.
    Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
    Sharing Comment via Twitter
    /article/sure-establishment-ed-gillespie-didnt-run-on-trumps-agenda-but-trump-isnt-enacting-his-agenda-either/#comment-2073384
    More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  2. For a very long time it was an enigma to me what the difference was between democrats and republicans in the USA.
    A USA correspondent explained it ‘democrats is new money, republicans is old money’.
    I just finished Howard Zinn, A Peoples History of the USA,

    Read More
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Did something stupid, but I continue.
    Alas my already existing idea that the USA is ruled by money has been strenghtened.
    And, also alas, my suspicion that the Islamisation of Europe has as objective to create opposing groups, as in the USA, divide and rule.
    The USA's 'elite's' problem with Trump seems to me that he was not part of the political elite, and was elected by the USA underclass.
    Zinn at the end hints that just a revolution can change the USA, I fear he's right.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  3. @jilles dykstra
    For a very long time it was an enigma to me what the difference was between democrats and republicans in the USA.
    A USA correspondent explained it 'democrats is new money, republicans is old money'.
    I just finished Howard Zinn, A Peoples History of the USA,

    Did something stupid, but I continue.
    Alas my already existing idea that the USA is ruled by money has been strenghtened.
    And, also alas, my suspicion that the Islamisation of Europe has as objective to create opposing groups, as in the USA, divide and rule.
    The USA’s ‘elite’s’ problem with Trump seems to me that he was not part of the political elite, and was elected by the USA underclass.
    Zinn at the end hints that just a revolution can change the USA, I fear he’s right.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anonymous
    Fear?
    , @D. K.
    Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton among both White women and Whites with a college education. The base of the Democratic Party, in the 21st Century, is comprised of Blacks and Hispanics. The latter have a (sinking) median IQ that is now (thanks to the mass immigration of Latin America's surplus peasant population) just south of 90, while the former have a median IQ of about 85. If you need to be told other indicia of whose partisans comprise America's underclass, in the 21st Century, you have even bigger issues than your reliance on an America-hating academic Leftist, now thankfully deceased. The bottom half of our non-Hispanic White population, by itself, has a higher median IQ than that of all of our Blacks and Hispanics, combined!
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  4. Brabantian says: • Website

    In another heated US southern state election contest, still ongoing, there is some notable pushback against the possibly-manipulated sexual-molestation accusations against Steve Bannon favourite Roy Moore of Alabama

    The Washington Post reporter who wrote the Roy Moore sexual allegation story, Stephanie McCrummen, has been convicted of financial fraud for writing a bad cheque. She has previously published quite oily political material supporting Hillary.

    It is unexplained how Ms McCrummen was able to quickly ‘find’ 4 separate accusers of Roy Moore who did not know each other & whose accusations were not public before then

    Retired US Secret Service agent Doug Lewis, says Washington Post staff have been offering people thousands in cash to accuse Roy Moore

    “One of Moore’s accusers, Debbie Gibson, worked as a sign language interpreter for Hillary Clinton & Joe Biden, & is actively campaigning for Moore’s Democrat opponent, Doug Jones”, & is in photos with Hillary … grabby Joe Biden himself a subject of underage-sexual-interest accusation hints

    Facebook posts linking the accusers to Hillary etc are being deleted

    Another Moore accuser, Leigh Corfman, 3 times divorced & in frequent financial difficulty, has a history of making a series of similar accusations, claiming “several pastors at various churches made sexual advances at her”.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-10/roy-moore-story-unraveling-one-accuser-worked-hillary-another-claims-several-pastors

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  5. It’s time for President Trump to stick by his voters in rural America and the Rust Belt who put their faith in him.

    Now that’s funny.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  6. Z-man says:

    Trump is being hijacked by the Republitard/Neocohen party that he attacked in the campaign. Whether it’s a personal flaw or out of expediency it’s a lose-lose for Donald. 1st health care, his rhetoric and the following GOP plan fell flat on it’s ass. 2nd, the tax morass, repeat after me Republitards, TAX RELIEF TO THE MIDDLE CLASS NOT THE RICH! And 3rd, foreign policy more and more controlled by the globalist/neokhan cabal. His almost psychotic hatred for Iran, almost blind support for Israel and his backtracking on NATO fending for itself adds to the betrayal of his words that he wants to bring American troops back home.
    He’s under a lot of pressure from the 4th Estate, the MSM, about Russia and other things. A pox on them.
    He’s got to get back to where he came from! Get Back JoJo!

    Read More
    • Replies: @anonymous
    Have you considered whether he even believed (or understood) those Bannon/Miller speeches?

    Someone posted here in the comments on a post with pictures of Mrs. Clinton in a rainbow of pantsuits a video from the Trump/Pence campaign (!) in which an impassioned man over a series of sympathetic working class photos says, in so many words, that although Mr. Trump may be misleading them, these voters should still vote for him to send the message, “F**k you!” I had not previously seen this very cynical ad, but it restored my faith in not voting.

    Linh Dinh here at UR called the whole thing months before the election.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  7. I suspect that the economy is not booming. That the stock market is a refection of the stockmarket and not what is really happening on the ground. And as for those employment numbers, deeply doubtful – I would have to see their modeling and the definitions.

    All Pres Trump had to do was weather the storm and avoid the machination of his enemies. Avoid anything drastic such as an unnecessary war. Stay focused on the economy, actually build a wall — a real wall and employ thousands of actual citizen to do it – if we’re going to deficit spend, let’s at least spend on citizens.

    A single payer system is no guarantee of reducing healthcare costs. And in my view the current system was a mercantilists dream. But not a dime should be spent on killing children in the womb. I would agree with Miss Coulter, they did attempt to tweek instead of repeal or even overhaul. Good ave even enacted caps on premiums, a liberal move, but it would have curbed the the increases, which are only going to continue. They ignored the real issue — increasing price of care.

    I have no idea why anyone would want to continue to alienate 40 million voters, white, including asians are the largest recipients of AA. It was Pres Trump who advocated revitalizing cities, where most of those 40 million plus live. I suggest he get on with it. And he did so with in-conjunction with hi trade review advocacy — still waiting.

    No. He should embrace the already diverse cultures that exists and pres for increased melting that pot. English as a national language would be a fine start.

    \

    Read More
    • Replies: @Silverwolf888
    The economy is doing very well. Just look at all the trucks on the road. Truck freight is up 4% over last year, and that is your surefire gauge of economic activity.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  8. iffen says:

    President Trump has energized the Left

    Terry McAuliffe’s engineering of the fatality producing clash in Charlottesville didn’t hurt.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  9. “Just imagine the horror of another Clinton Presidency!” is no longer enough.
    President Trump simply isn’t getting the job done for us, his supporters.

    Build the wall – nope, barely even started. Still no word on taxing remittances.
    Drain the swamp – nope, if anything it’s worse than ever.
    Lock her up – nope, President Trump betrayed us on that one the very first week.

    Neil Gorsuch on the SCOTUS bench is also not enough. Jeff Sessions has shriveled up and died. Inadequately-vetted Moslems continue to enter our Homeland, and totally-unvetted Mexican and other invaders continue to pour across our Southern border.

    I sure as Hell don’t see America being made great again – it’s still the same shithole Obama left us.

    Growing up in the 1960′s, I was proud to be an American. Today, I can find little to be proud of.
    What a difference 50 years makes.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  10. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @jilles dykstra
    Did something stupid, but I continue.
    Alas my already existing idea that the USA is ruled by money has been strenghtened.
    And, also alas, my suspicion that the Islamisation of Europe has as objective to create opposing groups, as in the USA, divide and rule.
    The USA's 'elite's' problem with Trump seems to me that he was not part of the political elite, and was elected by the USA underclass.
    Zinn at the end hints that just a revolution can change the USA, I fear he's right.

    Fear?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  11. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Z-man
    Trump is being hijacked by the Republitard/Neocohen party that he attacked in the campaign. Whether it's a personal flaw or out of expediency it's a lose-lose for Donald. 1st health care, his rhetoric and the following GOP plan fell flat on it's ass. 2nd, the tax morass, repeat after me Republitards, TAX RELIEF TO THE MIDDLE CLASS NOT THE RICH! And 3rd, foreign policy more and more controlled by the globalist/neokhan cabal. His almost psychotic hatred for Iran, almost blind support for Israel and his backtracking on NATO fending for itself adds to the betrayal of his words that he wants to bring American troops back home.
    He's under a lot of pressure from the 4th Estate, the MSM, about Russia and other things. A pox on them.
    He's got to get back to where he came from! Get Back JoJo!

    Have you considered whether he even believed (or understood) those Bannon/Miller speeches?

    Someone posted here in the comments on a post with pictures of Mrs. Clinton in a rainbow of pantsuits a video from the Trump/Pence campaign (!) in which an impassioned man over a series of sympathetic working class photos says, in so many words, that although Mr. Trump may be misleading them, these voters should still vote for him to send the message, “F**k you!” I had not previously seen this very cynical ad, but it restored my faith in not voting.

    Linh Dinh here at UR called the whole thing months before the election.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Z-man
    He knew what he was talkin' about. He just doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to follow up at this time with 40% of the Republitards, 80% of the media and 90% of the Dumbocratz being against him. And don't forget the 'Deep State'.
    Hopefully he'll get some in the next year but as I said when he was elected, even if he does 10% of what he blabbed about it's still better than nothing or SHillary! Steve Bannon, even though he can be a Neocoon at times, is being mostly helpful on the outside. S. Miller is useful but it would be nice if he was found to be in a Hollywood sex scandal. LOL!
    Build The Wall!
    Be friends with Putin.
    Fuck the Chinese on trade and my favorite, fuck Israel*.
    *The last one highly unlikely but more realistic than if Satan, i.e., Rodham-Clinton was in there.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  12. D. K. says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Did something stupid, but I continue.
    Alas my already existing idea that the USA is ruled by money has been strenghtened.
    And, also alas, my suspicion that the Islamisation of Europe has as objective to create opposing groups, as in the USA, divide and rule.
    The USA's 'elite's' problem with Trump seems to me that he was not part of the political elite, and was elected by the USA underclass.
    Zinn at the end hints that just a revolution can change the USA, I fear he's right.

    Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton among both White women and Whites with a college education. The base of the Democratic Party, in the 21st Century, is comprised of Blacks and Hispanics. The latter have a (sinking) median IQ that is now (thanks to the mass immigration of Latin America’s surplus peasant population) just south of 90, while the former have a median IQ of about 85. If you need to be told other indicia of whose partisans comprise America’s underclass, in the 21st Century, you have even bigger issues than your reliance on an America-hating academic Leftist, now thankfully deceased. The bottom half of our non-Hispanic White population, by itself, has a higher median IQ than that of all of our Blacks and Hispanics, combined!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  13. The word not spoken. Suddenly, there’s nothing about capitulating to Putin.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  14. Ron Unz says:

    Well, I didn’t pay much attention to the VA election, but near the end the newspapers and the web were filled with stories about the extremely “racially divisive” TV commercials both for and against Gillespie…

    Apparently, his campaign ran commercials on the terrible, deadly threat from the Salvadoran M-13 gang, and implied that his opponent was soft on them.

    Not long afterwards, some Democratic group ran a commercial on the terrible, deadly threat from the KKK, and implied that Gillespie was soft on them.

    Over the last decade, I think there have been close to 200,000 murders across America. I’d be surprised if even 20 of them were committed by M-13 members, and I’d guess that the body-count due to members of the KKK/Neo-Nazis/Skinheads was roughly in the same range.

    So the Republicans accused the Democrats of being Martians, and the Democrats accused the Republicans of being Venusians. Politics as usual in America these days….

    Read More
    • Replies: @D. K.
    From the Wikipedia.org entry on MS-13:

    "According to New York's 2nd district representative Peter King[,] MS-13 were responsible for 17 murders between January 2016 and April 2016 in Long Island.[31]"

    Would you care to amend your comment, at all, Mr. Unz?
    , @Rich
    Nisa Mickens, Kayla Cuevas, Michael Banegas, Jefferson Villalobos, Justin Llivicura, Jorge Tigre, Kerin Pineda, Angel Soler, Javier Castillo. There's nine who were murdered by MS-13 on Long Island in 2017 alone. If I can find nine murders in 2017 on Long Island I'll bet we can get past 20 in the last decade fairly easily. But even if it was just one murder, isn't that enough? Why should even one family have to suffer the murder of their loved ones, so that rich folks can have cheap labor?
    , @hooodathunkit

    "Not long afterwards, some Democratic group ran a commercial on the terrible, deadly threat from the KKK, and implied that Gillespie was soft on them.
     
    The ad graphically showed Gillespie supporters as the KKK trying to run over innocent (!) immigrant children. The ad was only pulled after the NYC truck attacks, which turned the premise of the ad upside-down.

    This ad aside, the campaign replayed 1990s or early 2000's politics. Think Bush-vs-Kerry with both candidates entirely uninspiring; the uniparty at its most depressing.

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  15. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz
    Well, I didn't pay much attention to the VA election, but near the end the newspapers and the web were filled with stories about the extremely "racially divisive" TV commercials both for and against Gillespie...

    Apparently, his campaign ran commercials on the terrible, deadly threat from the Salvadoran M-13 gang, and implied that his opponent was soft on them.

    Not long afterwards, some Democratic group ran a commercial on the terrible, deadly threat from the KKK, and implied that Gillespie was soft on them.

    Over the last decade, I think there have been close to 200,000 murders across America. I'd be surprised if even 20 of them were committed by M-13 members, and I'd guess that the body-count due to members of the KKK/Neo-Nazis/Skinheads was roughly in the same range.

    So the Republicans accused the Democrats of being Martians, and the Democrats accused the Republicans of being Venusians. Politics as usual in America these days....

    From the Wikipedia.org entry on MS-13:

    “According to New York’s 2nd district representative Peter King[,] MS-13 were responsible for 17 murders between January 2016 and April 2016 in Long Island.[31]”

    Would you care to amend your comment, at all, Mr. Unz?

    Read More
    • Replies: @iffen
    Most of us are impervious to facts that run contrary to our ideology and political values.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  16. Rich says:
    @Ron Unz
    Well, I didn't pay much attention to the VA election, but near the end the newspapers and the web were filled with stories about the extremely "racially divisive" TV commercials both for and against Gillespie...

    Apparently, his campaign ran commercials on the terrible, deadly threat from the Salvadoran M-13 gang, and implied that his opponent was soft on them.

    Not long afterwards, some Democratic group ran a commercial on the terrible, deadly threat from the KKK, and implied that Gillespie was soft on them.

    Over the last decade, I think there have been close to 200,000 murders across America. I'd be surprised if even 20 of them were committed by M-13 members, and I'd guess that the body-count due to members of the KKK/Neo-Nazis/Skinheads was roughly in the same range.

    So the Republicans accused the Democrats of being Martians, and the Democrats accused the Republicans of being Venusians. Politics as usual in America these days....

    Nisa Mickens, Kayla Cuevas, Michael Banegas, Jefferson Villalobos, Justin Llivicura, Jorge Tigre, Kerin Pineda, Angel Soler, Javier Castillo. There’s nine who were murdered by MS-13 on Long Island in 2017 alone. If I can find nine murders in 2017 on Long Island I’ll bet we can get past 20 in the last decade fairly easily. But even if it was just one murder, isn’t that enough? Why should even one family have to suffer the murder of their loved ones, so that rich folks can have cheap labor?

    Read More
    • Replies: @KenH
    The other problem is the estimated 20 thrown out is probably understated since MS-13 is well known for killing, intimidating and threatening witnesses to their crimes. So I reckon that there's many more MS-13 related murders that are in the cold case files.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  17. Z-man says:
    @anonymous
    Have you considered whether he even believed (or understood) those Bannon/Miller speeches?

    Someone posted here in the comments on a post with pictures of Mrs. Clinton in a rainbow of pantsuits a video from the Trump/Pence campaign (!) in which an impassioned man over a series of sympathetic working class photos says, in so many words, that although Mr. Trump may be misleading them, these voters should still vote for him to send the message, “F**k you!” I had not previously seen this very cynical ad, but it restored my faith in not voting.

    Linh Dinh here at UR called the whole thing months before the election.

    He knew what he was talkin’ about. He just doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude to follow up at this time with 40% of the Republitards, 80% of the media and 90% of the Dumbocratz being against him. And don’t forget the ‘Deep State’.
    Hopefully he’ll get some in the next year but as I said when he was elected, even if he does 10% of what he blabbed about it’s still better than nothing or SHillary! Steve Bannon, even though he can be a Neocoon at times, is being mostly helpful on the outside. S. Miller is useful but it would be nice if he was found to be in a Hollywood sex scandal. LOL!
    Build The Wall!
    Be friends with Putin.
    Fuck the Chinese on trade and my favorite, fuck Israel*.
    *The last one highly unlikely but more realistic than if Satan, i.e., Rodham-Clinton was in there.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anonymous
    I hope you’re right. And I was surprised and delighted just now to read of how he engaged Mr. Putin and then the press.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  18. Joe Hide says:

    Mr. Kirkpatrick,
    I found much of your analysis and solutions reasonably thought out. A much bigger game is going on here than many political analysts seem to fathom. It is much bigger than the Virginia elections, or those in other states. It is more than 2017, 2018, or even the next decade. Trump is being used to play out this out to a game winning solution by the Good Guys behind the curtain. This era is one of the few in human history where humanity has been given a choice of futures that can lead to a domination by its highest traits for millennia.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  19. KenH says:

    I figured that if 4-5% more whites voted for Gillespie that he could have won and that illustrates the problem with mass immigration. Twenty years ago 57% of the white vote would have been good enough to win the gubernatorial race in Virginia and almost every other state but not today.

    If whites voted as a bloc like every other group we’d still have time but we’re reaching the point in national elections where 60% of the white vote for the Republicans just isn’t good enough anymore.

    Trump hasn’t been a total bust but progress on his signature issues like immigration and refugee resettlement, trade and Obamacare has been too slow and incremental for the first two and non-existent on the third. His campaign promises and rhetoric caused us all to dream big and expect results that we aren’t getting.

    It looks to me like he’s taken his foot off the gas pedal and his new DHS pick is a supporter of DACA and opponent of the proposed border wall so many of his supporters should rightly be asking, WTF?? It does look like things are settling back down to business as usual in Trump land which will guarantee that enough independents and Reagan Democrats will sit out 2020 delivering the election to a white geriatric like Biden or Obama 2.0 in the form of Kamala Harris or Deval Patrick.

    The fact that he’s surrounded himself with neocons, RINOs and Manhattan liberals makes me wonder if the fix is already in and that MAGA was just a cheap campaign slogan to energize us flyover rubes.

    Read More
    • Replies: @renfro
    '' The fact that he’s surrounded himself with neocons, RINOs and Manhattan liberals makes me wonder if the fix is already in and that MAGA was just a cheap campaign slogan to energize us flyover rubes"">>>

    Looks like doesn't it?

    Trump now is nothing but a honking mule pulling the plow for the same WS filth and same Jews & Israel in the same old DC swamp.

    He should shut his f***ing twitter mouth and grow some balls and get rid of his 'advisors'.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  20. KenH says:
    @Rich
    Nisa Mickens, Kayla Cuevas, Michael Banegas, Jefferson Villalobos, Justin Llivicura, Jorge Tigre, Kerin Pineda, Angel Soler, Javier Castillo. There's nine who were murdered by MS-13 on Long Island in 2017 alone. If I can find nine murders in 2017 on Long Island I'll bet we can get past 20 in the last decade fairly easily. But even if it was just one murder, isn't that enough? Why should even one family have to suffer the murder of their loved ones, so that rich folks can have cheap labor?

    The other problem is the estimated 20 thrown out is probably understated since MS-13 is well known for killing, intimidating and threatening witnesses to their crimes. So I reckon that there’s many more MS-13 related murders that are in the cold case files.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  21. iffen says:
    @D. K.
    From the Wikipedia.org entry on MS-13:

    "According to New York's 2nd district representative Peter King[,] MS-13 were responsible for 17 murders between January 2016 and April 2016 in Long Island.[31]"

    Would you care to amend your comment, at all, Mr. Unz?

    Most of us are impervious to facts that run contrary to our ideology and political values.

    Read More
    • Replies: @D. K.
    "A man has got to know his limitations." --Detective Inspector Harold Callahan, S.F.P.D. (ret.)
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  22. “But what is certain is that the current approach of bragging about “letting Obamacare implode” and allowing premiums to increase is a recipe for political disaster. The inability of Republican leaders to see this beggars belief.”

    It goes well beyong beggaring belief: It assumes people won’t hold Republicans responsible for breaking America’s healthcare system when it implodes on their watch. People might hate “Obamacare” now, but when it breaks, they’re going to say, “It was bad before, but at least it worked and was almost affordable before the Republicans took control.”

    The GOP really is the Stupid Party.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  23. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Z-man
    He knew what he was talkin' about. He just doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to follow up at this time with 40% of the Republitards, 80% of the media and 90% of the Dumbocratz being against him. And don't forget the 'Deep State'.
    Hopefully he'll get some in the next year but as I said when he was elected, even if he does 10% of what he blabbed about it's still better than nothing or SHillary! Steve Bannon, even though he can be a Neocoon at times, is being mostly helpful on the outside. S. Miller is useful but it would be nice if he was found to be in a Hollywood sex scandal. LOL!
    Build The Wall!
    Be friends with Putin.
    Fuck the Chinese on trade and my favorite, fuck Israel*.
    *The last one highly unlikely but more realistic than if Satan, i.e., Rodham-Clinton was in there.

    I hope you’re right. And I was surprised and delighted just now to read of how he engaged Mr. Putin and then the press.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Z-man
    Putin-Trump Axis 2017-2025! '17 is almost gone, pity, but I pray the Cabal is destroyed by 2025! Then it will be the Moscow-DC Axis for a century!!! I know it's only a pipe dream and thank God I don't smoke! (Grin)
    ...beware the power of the Cabal.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  24. lavoisier says: • Website

    Trump has been an incredible disappointment.

    Much was expected of him and promised by him.

    Little or nothing has been done.

    Business as usual in what we used to call our Republic.

    His betrayal may turn out to be the worst betrayal since he was elected on a promise to put Americans first.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  25. Z-man says:
    @anonymous
    I hope you’re right. And I was surprised and delighted just now to read of how he engaged Mr. Putin and then the press.

    Putin-Trump Axis 2017-2025! ’17 is almost gone, pity, but I pray the Cabal is destroyed by 2025! Then it will be the Moscow-DC Axis for a century!!! I know it’s only a pipe dream and thank God I don’t smoke! (Grin)
    …beware the power of the Cabal.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Z-man
    Just when I was getting a little disgusted with Donald he came back with a flourish in defending his pal and our friend Vlad at the Hanoi Hilton!
    Viva Trump and Viva the Moscow-Washington Axis!!
    A pox on Neocohens!
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  26. Trump is a Zionist puppet who sold out long ago to the Zionist bankers who hold up his house of cards and he is compromised to the max to those warmongers and so he is what he is, that being a tool of Israel.

    The only difference between Trump and Helliary is their plumbing.

    Read More
    • Agree: renfro
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  27. @Intelligent Dasein
    Biden probably would have defeated Trump had he been allowed to run in 2016, and he will defeat him if he runs in 2020, if Trump does not do some serious swamp draining and pronto.

    Biden will be 78 in 2020. Trump will be 74. So Trump might have a chance. But your overall point is valid: unless Donald Trump starts acting more like the 2016 presidential candidate and less like the 2017 tool of the Deep State, his reelection prospects are dismal. As the James Kirkpatrick article says, Trump has energized the Democrats without doing much to energize the people who put him in office.

    Biden might have been a decent Democratic candidate in 2016 if he had selected Elizabeth Warren as his VP and promised to serve only one term as a caretaker, Obama third term, transition president. Hillary Clinton was a dreadful candidate and yet she almost won.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  28. bjondo says:

    ed gill nothin’ but a repub swamp rat

    most virginians and americans are sick of these weasel liars (repub-demos)
    one’s gotta win but neither worth piss

    if eddie swamp boy had supported pres trump, eddie weasel would have won

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  29. schrub says:

    The health system will continue to be the Republican’s major Achilles heel .

    Want a solution? Here it is. Why continue trying to reinvent the wheel? This systems combines the best of both public and private medicine.

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/singapores-health-care-system-holds-lessons-for-u-s/

    Otherwise, we will ultimately get a single payer, labor union dominated plan from Democrats that will resemble what our Canadian neighbors “enjoy.”

    Read More
    • Replies: @FKA Max

    Northam’s increasing his share of the female vote even above what Hillary Clinton was able to win was far more significant
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/sure-establishment-ed-gillespie-didnt-run-on-trumps-agenda-but-trump-isnt-enacting-his-agenda-either/#p_1_11:13-33

    I identified the following as their Achilles heel:

    This is the GOP’s and Trump’s Achilles heel:
    [...]
    Trump needs to side with the Moderate/Liberal Republicans on Planned Parenthood funding, and not try to pander to the (socially) Conservative Republicans. (socially) Conservative Republicans will vote for him even if he funds Planned Parenthood, etc., due to the political/racial polarization in the country. But by indulging (socially) Conservative Republicans on Planned Parenthood funding, etc. Trump will likely alienate Liberal/Moderate Republicans and Reagan/Trump Democrats, who might decide not to give him their vote again, if he becomes and acts too “theocratic”.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/pew-research-report-suggests-a-strategy-for-securing-gopgap/#comment-2062343

    Mr. Sailer had an open thread with many interesting takes on the outcome of the election in Virginia on his blog a few days ago:

    I did a lengthy analysis, a couple of days ago, what, in my opinion, the GOP and Trump should and must do to stay nationally, electorally relevant and competitive
    [...]
    If [Trump] can bring back that “Planned Parenthood does some very good work” talking point, I believe, it can really win him back a lot of the support that he has lost over the last several months, due to him giving into the demands of the Mike Pence — social conservative, pro-big donor — wing of the party.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/election-open-thread-7/#comment-2069914

    And Ed Gillespie just lost the gubernatorial race in Virginia. He wanted to defund Planned Parenthood if elected https://www.bustle.com/p/ed-gillespie-would-defund-planned-parenthood-in-virginia-74391
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/pew-research-report-suggests-a-strategy-for-securing-gopgap/#comment-2069158

    Get the Facts: Gillespie on Abortion and Planned Parenthood

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_3jJxB680k

    Poll: Most Americans oppose defunding Planned Parenthood

    The poll from Quinnipiac University suggests that women are more opposed to the idea of defunding Planned Parenthood than men, 69 percent to 55 percent. By party 63 percent of Republicans support defunding the organization, compared with 7 percent of Democrats and 31 percent of independents.
     
    - https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/acts-of-faith/live-coverage-of-the-march-for-life/poll-most-americans-oppose-defunding-planned-parenthood/?utm_term=.861f4944c2d2

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/arc-washpost-wordpress-uploads/primetime/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/01/27131548/2300-52-1024x420.jpg
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  30. Kirkpatrick is a rising star. But he’s made two mistakes among his proposals for Trump.

    Among his otherwise sound suggestions about what Trump should do RIGHT NOW is Kirkpatrick’s advice that Trump should take away “tax exemptions” from professional sports teams. This would be seen as entirely political (which it is) and even ‘racist’. Whatever. But this gambit would not be successful and it would be needlessly divisive since it would punish even the innocent.

    But Kirkpatrick overlooks (yet again) the elephant in the room: Mideast wars.

    Trump was elected in part to put America First. Waging immoral and expensive wars for the benefit of Israel does not put America First. When will Kirkpatrick rise up and face this urgent issue?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  31. Excellent point. The enthusiasm for Trump is gone. He needs to fire Jeff Sessions and his deputy Rod Rosenstein ASAP, install Giuliani or someone who will not recuse himself from the Russia investigation, who will fire Robert Mueller and stop this whole Russian collusion bullshit witch hunt, so he can actually get something done. And stop letting Mike Pence, Jared Kushner and John Kelly pick people, they just keeps picking establishment swamp creatures for every post.

    So far Trump’s been a disappointment on practically all major fronts that he campaigned on:

    On immigration: he has managed to staff the DHS, Labor dept. etc. with people who are actually friendly to immigration. While illegal immigration and refugee admission have gone down slightly, he’s done nothing on H1b, building the wall or reducing legal immigration. He is simply not pushing hard enough for the RAISE act. If he caves on DACA and gives it away for nothing, he’s toast.

    On foreign policy: what a disaster. He’s completely cucked out to the Zionist cabal. His son-in-law is running his admin straight into the arms of Israel. No more wars has become wars everywhere.

    On tax reform: a nothing burger. Not sure how it’ll actually help small business and the middle class.

    On healthcare: perhaps his biggest failure. Self-employed families on individual family plans are getting killed since he removed the subsidies. Our monthly premium will go up by 50% next year, from $1,600 per month for a family of 4 to $2,400 per month, without the HSA deduction!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  32. Breitbart is such a joke. Prior to the election they were all gungho about Gillespie, as soon as he lost they immediately turned on him, calling him an establishment swamp. If he had won I’m sure they would’ve given all the credit to Trump.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  33. The Deep State is simply too powerful. The Deep State is run by Jews, just like Hollywood, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, the media, academia. Trump made the mistake of picking Pence as VP, then let him be in charge of the transition team that picked the original cabinet members. Pence turns out to be part of the deep state, a neocon, establishment RINO, all the people he picked are swamp creatures. Remember during the VP debate he said he would bomb Russia over Syria, Trump came out and refuted him in the next debate.

    I can still remember the words from Trump’s inauguration, “I will never lie to you…”

    Sad. No matter who gets elected to the WH, the traitorous Jews and WASP elites will always win.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  34. FKA Max says: • Website
    @schrub
    The health system will continue to be the Republican's major Achilles heel .

    Want a solution? Here it is. Why continue trying to reinvent the wheel? This systems combines the best of both public and private medicine.

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/singapores-health-care-system-holds-lessons-for-u-s/

    Otherwise, we will ultimately get a single payer, labor union dominated plan from Democrats that will resemble what our Canadian neighbors "enjoy."

    Northam’s increasing his share of the female vote even above what Hillary Clinton was able to win was far more significant

    http://www.unz.com/article/sure-establishment-ed-gillespie-didnt-run-on-trumps-agenda-but-trump-isnt-enacting-his-agenda-either/#p_1_11:13-33

    I identified the following as their Achilles heel:

    This is the GOP’s and Trump’s Achilles heel:
    [...]
    Trump needs to side with the Moderate/Liberal Republicans on Planned Parenthood funding, and not try to pander to the (socially) Conservative Republicans. (socially) Conservative Republicans will vote for him even if he funds Planned Parenthood, etc., due to the political/racial polarization in the country. But by indulging (socially) Conservative Republicans on Planned Parenthood funding, etc. Trump will likely alienate Liberal/Moderate Republicans and Reagan/Trump Democrats, who might decide not to give him their vote again, if he becomes and acts too “theocratic”.

    http://www.unz.com/article/pew-research-report-suggests-a-strategy-for-securing-gopgap/#comment-2062343

    Mr. Sailer had an open thread with many interesting takes on the outcome of the election in Virginia on his blog a few days ago:

    I did a lengthy analysis, a couple of days ago, what, in my opinion, the GOP and Trump should and must do to stay nationally, electorally relevant and competitive
    [...]
    If [Trump] can bring back that “Planned Parenthood does some very good work” talking point, I believe, it can really win him back a lot of the support that he has lost over the last several months, due to him giving into the demands of the Mike Pence — social conservative, pro-big donor — wing of the party.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/election-open-thread-7/#comment-2069914

    And Ed Gillespie just lost the gubernatorial race in Virginia. He wanted to defund Planned Parenthood if elected https://www.bustle.com/p/ed-gillespie-would-defund-planned-parenthood-in-virginia-74391

    http://www.unz.com/article/pew-research-report-suggests-a-strategy-for-securing-gopgap/#comment-2069158

    Get the Facts: Gillespie on Abortion and Planned Parenthood

    Poll: Most Americans oppose defunding Planned Parenthood

    The poll from Quinnipiac University suggests that women are more opposed to the idea of defunding Planned Parenthood than men, 69 percent to 55 percent. By party 63 percent of Republicans support defunding the organization, compared with 7 percent of Democrats and 31 percent of independents.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/acts-of-faith/live-coverage-of-the-march-for-life/poll-most-americans-oppose-defunding-planned-parenthood/?utm_term=.861f4944c2d2

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  35. Sean says:

    The corporations used to lose when people with insurance actually needed treatment, now they profit by it. The costs for people who get sick are going to go up, and the Trump base are the least healthy people.

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    The Trump base is the least healthy group of people? They may be the least healthy group of people that actually pay for their own insurance, but who knows? The libertine lifestyle of many on the left isn't exactly healthy, and neither are many of the fad diets popular among the non-deplorables.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  36. Trump is probably better than Hillary, but that’s about all I can say for him. His campaign promises were all calculated lies that he started to walk back as soon as his campaign started to gain traction, which didn’t hurt him against anyone running from either party, since being half a traitor appears novel at this point.

    If the Republicans wanted an issue that would be wildly popular among all Americans, and one that would likely steal voters from the Democrats, they could hit the credit card companies with anti-usury laws that would cap interest rates at something realistic, while disallowing arbitrary rate hikes. Many Americans are being bled to death by these vultures, and both parties pretend that a few dollars here or there in tax refunds would make a difference.

    It’s also worth mentioning that many people who have credit card debt have taken on the debt to pay for college and medical expenses. The cost of medical care and education for the middle class have both risen dramatically over the last several decades, and I suspect that this is due to subsidizing both for people who aren’t entitled to either, for the benefit of the same vultures who are making fortunes from mass credit card debt.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  37. Z-man says:
    @Z-man
    Putin-Trump Axis 2017-2025! '17 is almost gone, pity, but I pray the Cabal is destroyed by 2025! Then it will be the Moscow-DC Axis for a century!!! I know it's only a pipe dream and thank God I don't smoke! (Grin)
    ...beware the power of the Cabal.

    Just when I was getting a little disgusted with Donald he came back with a flourish in defending his pal and our friend Vlad at the Hanoi Hilton!
    Viva Trump and Viva the Moscow-Washington Axis!!
    A pox on Neocohens!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  38. @Sean
    The corporations used to lose when people with insurance actually needed treatment, now they profit by it. The costs for people who get sick are going to go up, and the Trump base are the least healthy people.

    The Trump base is the least healthy group of people? They may be the least healthy group of people that actually pay for their own insurance, but who knows? The libertine lifestyle of many on the left isn’t exactly healthy, and neither are many of the fad diets popular among the non-deplorables.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Michelle
    It all depends, non Asian minorities, especially Blacks, live very unhealthy lifestyles, and yes, they vote for Democrats. White leftists, however, do tend to eat healthy, hike and ride bikes. I live amongst almost totally leftist people and strangely enough, many of the liberal girls are the most feminine and supportive of their husbands and are in shape, kind of like Mormon girls.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  39. The Alt Right reminds me of the Deep Ecology Movement…perhaps I am wrong about this……

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  40. Art says:

    It’s time for President Trump to stick by his voters in rural America and the Rust Belt who put their faith in him.

    It is time for the Department of Justice to give Trump’s voters some red meat – in the form of major attacks on the on the Clintons, the DNC, and their Russian connections.

    They must take these people down – and make the Jew controlled media defend clear wrong doing.

    If they do not do this – the MSM will continue to attack and attack and attack – they will manufacture something and control the narrative.

    Truly, the Republicans need some gonads. On TV, they need to go on the offensive focusing on Clinton wrong doing and the economy.

    Read More
    • Replies: @El Dato
    Frankly, for that a new party would be needed,

    Republicans are festering, bloated corpses swimming in a toxic sea of vested interests, quid-pro-quos, mob connections, confusion, pavlovian responses and mental disorders.

    Caligula would be laughing at them, collect them in the amphiteatre, then let in the wild animals.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  41. El Dato says:
    @Art
    It’s time for President Trump to stick by his voters in rural America and the Rust Belt who put their faith in him.

    It is time for the Department of Justice to give Trump’s voters some red meat – in the form of major attacks on the on the Clintons, the DNC, and their Russian connections.

    They must take these people down - and make the Jew controlled media defend clear wrong doing.

    If they do not do this – the MSM will continue to attack and attack and attack – they will manufacture something and control the narrative.

    Truly, the Republicans need some gonads. On TV, they need to go on the offensive focusing on Clinton wrong doing and the economy.

    Frankly, for that a new party would be needed,

    Republicans are festering, bloated corpses swimming in a toxic sea of vested interests, quid-pro-quos, mob connections, confusion, pavlovian responses and mental disorders.

    Caligula would be laughing at them, collect them in the amphiteatre, then let in the wild animals.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  42. D. K. says:
    @iffen
    Most of us are impervious to facts that run contrary to our ideology and political values.

    “A man has got to know his limitations.” –Detective Inspector Harold Callahan, S.F.P.D. (ret.)

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  43. @Ron Unz
    Well, I didn't pay much attention to the VA election, but near the end the newspapers and the web were filled with stories about the extremely "racially divisive" TV commercials both for and against Gillespie...

    Apparently, his campaign ran commercials on the terrible, deadly threat from the Salvadoran M-13 gang, and implied that his opponent was soft on them.

    Not long afterwards, some Democratic group ran a commercial on the terrible, deadly threat from the KKK, and implied that Gillespie was soft on them.

    Over the last decade, I think there have been close to 200,000 murders across America. I'd be surprised if even 20 of them were committed by M-13 members, and I'd guess that the body-count due to members of the KKK/Neo-Nazis/Skinheads was roughly in the same range.

    So the Republicans accused the Democrats of being Martians, and the Democrats accused the Republicans of being Venusians. Politics as usual in America these days....

    “Not long afterwards, some Democratic group ran a commercial on the terrible, deadly threat from the KKK, and implied that Gillespie was soft on them.

    The ad graphically showed Gillespie supporters as the KKK trying to run over innocent (!) immigrant children. The ad was only pulled after the NYC truck attacks, which turned the premise of the ad upside-down.

    This ad aside, the campaign replayed 1990s or early 2000′s politics. Think Bush-vs-Kerry with both candidates entirely uninspiring; the uniparty at its most depressing.

    Read More
    • Replies: @KenH

    The ad graphically showed Gillespie supporters as the KKK trying to run over innocent (!) immigrant children.
     
    (((Shitlib, inc.))), always inverts reality and hopes that they can convince their stupid, unthinking, bigoted supporters that their "art" imitates real life. And it almost always works.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  44. KenH says:
    @hooodathunkit

    "Not long afterwards, some Democratic group ran a commercial on the terrible, deadly threat from the KKK, and implied that Gillespie was soft on them.
     
    The ad graphically showed Gillespie supporters as the KKK trying to run over innocent (!) immigrant children. The ad was only pulled after the NYC truck attacks, which turned the premise of the ad upside-down.

    This ad aside, the campaign replayed 1990s or early 2000's politics. Think Bush-vs-Kerry with both candidates entirely uninspiring; the uniparty at its most depressing.

    The ad graphically showed Gillespie supporters as the KKK trying to run over innocent (!) immigrant children.

    (((Shitlib, inc.))), always inverts reality and hopes that they can convince their stupid, unthinking, bigoted supporters that their “art” imitates real life. And it almost always works.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  45. Michelle says:

    Expound upon Obamacare, por favor. I argue with my Libertarian ex boyfriend all the time about this, why are you so mean as to not want people to have health care?? Billions of dollars are going to wars in various and sundry Middle Eastern countries, so why can’t some of those dollars go towards health care for Americans?

    Read More
    • Replies: @Rod1963
    Obamacare will consume most of the GDP in 4 years at which point it collapses. Though I suspect costs will be so exorbitant in another two years that most companies will not be able to afford it without mass layoffs. Which kills it and the country.

    IOW it's cost is so great that it will bankrupt the country. And no you can't print your way out of it,

    And that's the point all whiners miss. It's the medical costs that are killing us. The examples of price gouging are legion. $20 tylenol, $800 bags of saline. $20,000 for using a surgical unit for outpatient surgery. BTW the rates hospitals charge depends on what sort of insurance or lack of that you have. Which is illegal, same with them refusing to post prices for their procedures. By law they are supposed to but don't.So they can f**k you over.
    , @anonymous
    You might want to learn more about the "people" whose mercantilist racket you're unwittingly defending. Search "Liz Fowler Obamacare revolving door" and go from there.

    Those billions shouldn't have been extracted from us by our rulers to begin with. I don't want Uncle Sam caring for my health or keeping me safe and free.
    , @Joe Franklin

    Expound upon Obamacare, por favor. I argue with my Libertarian ex boyfriend all the time about this, why are you so mean as to not want people to have health care?? Billions of dollars are going to wars in various and sundry Middle Eastern countries, so why can’t some of those dollars go towards health care for Americans?

     

    The US constitution says that health care is a state-people issue, not a federal issue.

    Democrats and neocons turn health care into a federal issue because they want to buy the votes of disabled (people with pre-existing conditions) and corrupt people (victim identity cultist).

    The middle east wars you mentioned are pro-Zionist wars, and Zionist people are a federally recognized victim identity cult too.
    , @KenH
    It isn't about not wanting people not to have healthcare. I wince when I hear people claim that Obamacare is a win-win for everyone because it isn't and it has created new winners and losers by redistributing healthcare access among the general population while soaking the predominantly white middle class in the form of exploding premiums, deductibles and out of pocket expenses to pay for it all. Trump and a Republican controlled Congress are the only thing standing in the way of a massive tax increase to save the misguided and foundering Obamacare system.

    Non-white minorities have been the prime beneficiaries of Obamacare through Medicaid expansion and this was by design and admitted by architects like (((Ezekial Emmanuel))):
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/health/immigrants-the-poor-and-minorities-gain-sharply-under-health-act.html
    Of courses, there's corresponding cuts to Medicare which disproportionately affects elderly whites to help pay for the Medicaid expansion. So elderly whites lose while poor and working poor non-white minorities gain.

    Then you had (((Jonathan Gruber))) admitting they had to lie about and exaggerate the benefits of Obamacare so the stupid voter (his words) would support it.

    Obamacare can't be characterized as a fair and benevolent system when it's created far more problems that it's solved.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  46. Michelle says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    The Trump base is the least healthy group of people? They may be the least healthy group of people that actually pay for their own insurance, but who knows? The libertine lifestyle of many on the left isn't exactly healthy, and neither are many of the fad diets popular among the non-deplorables.

    It all depends, non Asian minorities, especially Blacks, live very unhealthy lifestyles, and yes, they vote for Democrats. White leftists, however, do tend to eat healthy, hike and ride bikes. I live amongst almost totally leftist people and strangely enough, many of the liberal girls are the most feminine and supportive of their husbands and are in shape, kind of like Mormon girls.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I live amongst almost totally leftist people and strangely enough, many of the liberal girls are the most feminine and supportive of their husbands and are in shape, kind of like Mormon girls.
     
    This comports with my general experience as well. The individual kindnesses I have received from professedly liberal people outweigh those I have received from any other group.

    I think that, in the main, liberals are very well grounded and well-adjusted to life at the individual and local level. Their free-floating sense of altruism, placid demeanor, and enhanced instinct for civic responsibility work well in that domain. They are comfortable with themselves and hence willing to extend a hand to any stranger or take up the part of any underdog. Not discerning any need for conflict, they readily adopt a "live and let live" attitude.

    It's just that this mindset, being the naive and luxurious byproduct of safe living conditions, does not scale up to the level of politics, the chief concern of which is the survival of the state in its conflicts with other states. "Conservatives," who alone are equipped to constitute the true political class, talk openly about the necessity of state violence and coercive social controls. Thus, to liberals they come across as prudish, frosty, narrow-minded thugs and psychopaths.

    And perhaps the liberals have a bit of a point here. You have to stand a little outside and above the human community to adopt the outlook of the statesman. You have to leave the high-trust environment of ordinary social life and be suspicious, calculating, exploitative, and ruthless---all traits which will get you shunned and criminalized if practiced against your neighbor and fellow man.

    Liberalism is the default state of most of mankind; it is the virtue of ordinary social existence. It feels good being liberal, while being "conservative" is hard, thankless toil and not very conducive to individual happiness.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  47. @EliteCommInc.
    I suspect that the economy is not booming. That the stock market is a refection of the stockmarket and not what is really happening on the ground. And as for those employment numbers, deeply doubtful - I would have to see their modeling and the definitions.

    All Pres Trump had to do was weather the storm and avoid the machination of his enemies. Avoid anything drastic such as an unnecessary war. Stay focused on the economy, actually build a wall -- a real wall and employ thousands of actual citizen to do it - if we're going to deficit spend, let's at least spend on citizens.

    A single payer system is no guarantee of reducing healthcare costs. And in my view the current system was a mercantilists dream. But not a dime should be spent on killing children in the womb. I would agree with Miss Coulter, they did attempt to tweek instead of repeal or even overhaul. Good ave even enacted caps on premiums, a liberal move, but it would have curbed the the increases, which are only going to continue. They ignored the real issue -- increasing price of care.

    I have no idea why anyone would want to continue to alienate 40 million voters, white, including asians are the largest recipients of AA. It was Pres Trump who advocated revitalizing cities, where most of those 40 million plus live. I suggest he get on with it. And he did so with in-conjunction with hi trade review advocacy -- still waiting.

    No. He should embrace the already diverse cultures that exists and pres for increased melting that pot. English as a national language would be a fine start.

    \

    The economy is doing very well. Just look at all the trucks on the road. Truck freight is up 4% over last year, and that is your surefire gauge of economic activity.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anonymous
    How many are hauling the latest gadget, made in Asia, and purchased online through Amazon?
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  48. Rod1963 says:
    @Michelle
    Expound upon Obamacare, por favor. I argue with my Libertarian ex boyfriend all the time about this, why are you so mean as to not want people to have health care?? Billions of dollars are going to wars in various and sundry Middle Eastern countries, so why can't some of those dollars go towards health care for Americans?

    Obamacare will consume most of the GDP in 4 years at which point it collapses. Though I suspect costs will be so exorbitant in another two years that most companies will not be able to afford it without mass layoffs. Which kills it and the country.

    IOW it’s cost is so great that it will bankrupt the country. And no you can’t print your way out of it,

    And that’s the point all whiners miss. It’s the medical costs that are killing us. The examples of price gouging are legion. $20 tylenol, $800 bags of saline. $20,000 for using a surgical unit for outpatient surgery. BTW the rates hospitals charge depends on what sort of insurance or lack of that you have. Which is illegal, same with them refusing to post prices for their procedures. By law they are supposed to but don’t.So they can f**k you over.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  49. @Michelle
    It all depends, non Asian minorities, especially Blacks, live very unhealthy lifestyles, and yes, they vote for Democrats. White leftists, however, do tend to eat healthy, hike and ride bikes. I live amongst almost totally leftist people and strangely enough, many of the liberal girls are the most feminine and supportive of their husbands and are in shape, kind of like Mormon girls.

    I live amongst almost totally leftist people and strangely enough, many of the liberal girls are the most feminine and supportive of their husbands and are in shape, kind of like Mormon girls.

    This comports with my general experience as well. The individual kindnesses I have received from professedly liberal people outweigh those I have received from any other group.

    I think that, in the main, liberals are very well grounded and well-adjusted to life at the individual and local level. Their free-floating sense of altruism, placid demeanor, and enhanced instinct for civic responsibility work well in that domain. They are comfortable with themselves and hence willing to extend a hand to any stranger or take up the part of any underdog. Not discerning any need for conflict, they readily adopt a “live and let live” attitude.

    It’s just that this mindset, being the naive and luxurious byproduct of safe living conditions, does not scale up to the level of politics, the chief concern of which is the survival of the state in its conflicts with other states. “Conservatives,” who alone are equipped to constitute the true political class, talk openly about the necessity of state violence and coercive social controls. Thus, to liberals they come across as prudish, frosty, narrow-minded thugs and psychopaths.

    And perhaps the liberals have a bit of a point here. You have to stand a little outside and above the human community to adopt the outlook of the statesman. You have to leave the high-trust environment of ordinary social life and be suspicious, calculating, exploitative, and ruthless—all traits which will get you shunned and criminalized if practiced against your neighbor and fellow man.

    Liberalism is the default state of most of mankind; it is the virtue of ordinary social existence. It feels good being liberal, while being “conservative” is hard, thankless toil and not very conducive to individual happiness.

    Read More
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    Maybe, but only if it is easy and convenient for them to help, and only if you fit their view of someone that should be helped.

    Leftists/liberals are more than willing to silence opposing views and use the force of government to foward their views and objectives. Many of their political views are very undemocratic, such as immigration, and their allied groups such as current antifa, and earlier radical groups, are very violent.

    I don't buy the happy, live and let live, high-trust view that many have of these people. In many cases, they can be outright vicious towards those that they view as enemies or others, which is why conservatives haven't walked all over them. I'd even say that it's not conservatives who wish to mind other people's business, at least not as much.

    If my mother's car is broken down at night in an unfamiliar area, if anyone stopped at all, I would bet that the helper would be more likely to be a deplorable.
    , @anonymous
    "Not discerning any need for conflict, they readily adopt a “live and let live” attitude."

    I appreciate the thoughtfulness, but that's ultimately not characteristic of most self-described liberals, aka "progressives." Yes, one-on-one they will often be pleasant, interested, interesting, and -- to a degree -- tolerant people. But they also tend to be statists, authoritarians who vote on their feelings to empower the politicians that push others around. The type that went to Sanders rallies, saw their candidate get screwed, but let NPR and its ilk lead them to vote for Clinton. People who teared up when every baseball team retired #42 decades after the passing of Jackie Robinson, but shut their traps about current wrongs, like Gitmo, Libya, and Wall Street, during the eight year run of President Obama because, well, at least he's not another white man.

    Most of my friends and neighbors are of this GoodSheep type. I'm happy to have them in my life, so I deflect any discussion of politics and other manufactured issues of controversy in order not to damage relations.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  50. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Michelle
    Expound upon Obamacare, por favor. I argue with my Libertarian ex boyfriend all the time about this, why are you so mean as to not want people to have health care?? Billions of dollars are going to wars in various and sundry Middle Eastern countries, so why can't some of those dollars go towards health care for Americans?

    You might want to learn more about the “people” whose mercantilist racket you’re unwittingly defending. Search “Liz Fowler Obamacare revolving door” and go from there.

    Those billions shouldn’t have been extracted from us by our rulers to begin with. I don’t want Uncle Sam caring for my health or keeping me safe and free.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Michelle
    I do not disagree with what you are saying, Obamacare is far from ideal, but, I, as a government employee, enjoy many benefits. I had a kidney stone in May and "enjoyed", (I kid, I kid) 2 free (for me) ambulance rides worth nearly 4,000.00. I felt sure that I would have to pay for the rides and any medication, so I refused some drugs. Once I got to the hospital, I received much needed pain medication. Other people may work harder than I do on a daily basis and yet, they would have had to pay for all that I received, which was paid for by taxpayers. I believe that you object to Obamacare on principle, and tend to disregard your fellow humans to do so.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  51. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Silverwolf888
    The economy is doing very well. Just look at all the trucks on the road. Truck freight is up 4% over last year, and that is your surefire gauge of economic activity.

    How many are hauling the latest gadget, made in Asia, and purchased online through Amazon?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  52. @Michelle
    Expound upon Obamacare, por favor. I argue with my Libertarian ex boyfriend all the time about this, why are you so mean as to not want people to have health care?? Billions of dollars are going to wars in various and sundry Middle Eastern countries, so why can't some of those dollars go towards health care for Americans?

    Expound upon Obamacare, por favor. I argue with my Libertarian ex boyfriend all the time about this, why are you so mean as to not want people to have health care?? Billions of dollars are going to wars in various and sundry Middle Eastern countries, so why can’t some of those dollars go towards health care for Americans?

    The US constitution says that health care is a state-people issue, not a federal issue.

    Democrats and neocons turn health care into a federal issue because they want to buy the votes of disabled (people with pre-existing conditions) and corrupt people (victim identity cultist).

    The middle east wars you mentioned are pro-Zionist wars, and Zionist people are a federally recognized victim identity cult too.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  53. @Intelligent Dasein

    I live amongst almost totally leftist people and strangely enough, many of the liberal girls are the most feminine and supportive of their husbands and are in shape, kind of like Mormon girls.
     
    This comports with my general experience as well. The individual kindnesses I have received from professedly liberal people outweigh those I have received from any other group.

    I think that, in the main, liberals are very well grounded and well-adjusted to life at the individual and local level. Their free-floating sense of altruism, placid demeanor, and enhanced instinct for civic responsibility work well in that domain. They are comfortable with themselves and hence willing to extend a hand to any stranger or take up the part of any underdog. Not discerning any need for conflict, they readily adopt a "live and let live" attitude.

    It's just that this mindset, being the naive and luxurious byproduct of safe living conditions, does not scale up to the level of politics, the chief concern of which is the survival of the state in its conflicts with other states. "Conservatives," who alone are equipped to constitute the true political class, talk openly about the necessity of state violence and coercive social controls. Thus, to liberals they come across as prudish, frosty, narrow-minded thugs and psychopaths.

    And perhaps the liberals have a bit of a point here. You have to stand a little outside and above the human community to adopt the outlook of the statesman. You have to leave the high-trust environment of ordinary social life and be suspicious, calculating, exploitative, and ruthless---all traits which will get you shunned and criminalized if practiced against your neighbor and fellow man.

    Liberalism is the default state of most of mankind; it is the virtue of ordinary social existence. It feels good being liberal, while being "conservative" is hard, thankless toil and not very conducive to individual happiness.

    Maybe, but only if it is easy and convenient for them to help, and only if you fit their view of someone that should be helped.

    Leftists/liberals are more than willing to silence opposing views and use the force of government to foward their views and objectives. Many of their political views are very undemocratic, such as immigration, and their allied groups such as current antifa, and earlier radical groups, are very violent.

    I don’t buy the happy, live and let live, high-trust view that many have of these people. In many cases, they can be outright vicious towards those that they view as enemies or others, which is why conservatives haven’t walked all over them. I’d even say that it’s not conservatives who wish to mind other people’s business, at least not as much.

    If my mother’s car is broken down at night in an unfamiliar area, if anyone stopped at all, I would bet that the helper would be more likely to be a deplorable.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Michelle
    I disagree with you, I know many Liberals who quite literally would not hurt a fly. Many of these Liberals were raised by Republicans. They love their Republican parents, though ruefully shaking their heads at the fact their fathers quit the Elk's Club after it decided to allow women to become members.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  54. Wouldn’t it be great if Native Born White American Trump Voters were out in the street holding signs calling for the immediate pull-out of the US Military…..out of Syria…out of Iraq….out of Afghanistan…..and, off of Conservative Christian Russia’s borders….and for WAR CRIME INDICTMENTS….

    Since, 1991…at least 5.2 f……g trillion dollars…..

    I can not believe how close the humpbacks have come into towards the shore….and doing belly flops…..is this a sign from the Universe about something rilly big about to happen?…Is the RILLY BIG SHEW about to arrive?..

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  55. KenH says:
    @Michelle
    Expound upon Obamacare, por favor. I argue with my Libertarian ex boyfriend all the time about this, why are you so mean as to not want people to have health care?? Billions of dollars are going to wars in various and sundry Middle Eastern countries, so why can't some of those dollars go towards health care for Americans?

    It isn’t about not wanting people not to have healthcare. I wince when I hear people claim that Obamacare is a win-win for everyone because it isn’t and it has created new winners and losers by redistributing healthcare access among the general population while soaking the predominantly white middle class in the form of exploding premiums, deductibles and out of pocket expenses to pay for it all. Trump and a Republican controlled Congress are the only thing standing in the way of a massive tax increase to save the misguided and foundering Obamacare system.

    Non-white minorities have been the prime beneficiaries of Obamacare through Medicaid expansion and this was by design and admitted by architects like (((Ezekial Emmanuel))):

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/health/immigrants-the-poor-and-minorities-gain-sharply-under-health-act.html

    Of courses, there’s corresponding cuts to Medicare which disproportionately affects elderly whites to help pay for the Medicaid expansion. So elderly whites lose while poor and working poor non-white minorities gain.

    Then you had (((Jonathan Gruber))) admitting they had to lie about and exaggerate the benefits of Obamacare so the stupid voter (his words) would support it.

    Obamacare can’t be characterized as a fair and benevolent system when it’s created far more problems that it’s solved.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Michelle
    Millions of people, formerly lacking healthcare disagree with you, and so do I. Those who have their panties in a twist over it probably have good coverage through their employers, already.
    , @renfro
    I laugh when I hear people praise Obama care...they never did 'get it'.
    All Obama did was set up a plan where everyone had to buy insurance FROM A FOR PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANY.....and then he GUARENTEED the INSURANCE COMPANIES PREMIUMS WOULD BE PAID BY USING TAX DOLLARS TO SUPPLEMENT THE ENROLLES PREMIUN COST.

    I am beginning to think people get what they deserve for being stupid...they never pay attention to the big picture or the DETAILS....they just hear they're gonna be given something and they roll over and pee themselves like puppies.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  56. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I live amongst almost totally leftist people and strangely enough, many of the liberal girls are the most feminine and supportive of their husbands and are in shape, kind of like Mormon girls.
     
    This comports with my general experience as well. The individual kindnesses I have received from professedly liberal people outweigh those I have received from any other group.

    I think that, in the main, liberals are very well grounded and well-adjusted to life at the individual and local level. Their free-floating sense of altruism, placid demeanor, and enhanced instinct for civic responsibility work well in that domain. They are comfortable with themselves and hence willing to extend a hand to any stranger or take up the part of any underdog. Not discerning any need for conflict, they readily adopt a "live and let live" attitude.

    It's just that this mindset, being the naive and luxurious byproduct of safe living conditions, does not scale up to the level of politics, the chief concern of which is the survival of the state in its conflicts with other states. "Conservatives," who alone are equipped to constitute the true political class, talk openly about the necessity of state violence and coercive social controls. Thus, to liberals they come across as prudish, frosty, narrow-minded thugs and psychopaths.

    And perhaps the liberals have a bit of a point here. You have to stand a little outside and above the human community to adopt the outlook of the statesman. You have to leave the high-trust environment of ordinary social life and be suspicious, calculating, exploitative, and ruthless---all traits which will get you shunned and criminalized if practiced against your neighbor and fellow man.

    Liberalism is the default state of most of mankind; it is the virtue of ordinary social existence. It feels good being liberal, while being "conservative" is hard, thankless toil and not very conducive to individual happiness.

    “Not discerning any need for conflict, they readily adopt a “live and let live” attitude.”

    I appreciate the thoughtfulness, but that’s ultimately not characteristic of most self-described liberals, aka “progressives.” Yes, one-on-one they will often be pleasant, interested, interesting, and — to a degree — tolerant people. But they also tend to be statists, authoritarians who vote on their feelings to empower the politicians that push others around. The type that went to Sanders rallies, saw their candidate get screwed, but let NPR and its ilk lead them to vote for Clinton. People who teared up when every baseball team retired #42 decades after the passing of Jackie Robinson, but shut their traps about current wrongs, like Gitmo, Libya, and Wall Street, during the eight year run of President Obama because, well, at least he’s not another white man.

    Most of my friends and neighbors are of this GoodSheep type. I’m happy to have them in my life, so I deflect any discussion of politics and other manufactured issues of controversy in order not to damage relations.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  57. Well Fitzie, he is not the Pope. He has to work through frenemies of his own party and there are many who want him to fail under a veneer of their own righteousness.

    You are way to Roman Church.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  58. Michelle says:
    @anonymous
    You might want to learn more about the "people" whose mercantilist racket you're unwittingly defending. Search "Liz Fowler Obamacare revolving door" and go from there.

    Those billions shouldn't have been extracted from us by our rulers to begin with. I don't want Uncle Sam caring for my health or keeping me safe and free.

    I do not disagree with what you are saying, Obamacare is far from ideal, but, I, as a government employee, enjoy many benefits. I had a kidney stone in May and “enjoyed”, (I kid, I kid) 2 free (for me) ambulance rides worth nearly 4,000.00. I felt sure that I would have to pay for the rides and any medication, so I refused some drugs. Once I got to the hospital, I received much needed pain medication. Other people may work harder than I do on a daily basis and yet, they would have had to pay for all that I received, which was paid for by taxpayers. I believe that you object to Obamacare on principle, and tend to disregard your fellow humans to do so.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anonymous
    Rather than address my point -- that most of the friends you feel compelled to defend in this thread are deluded or too cowardly, perhaps because it bears the name of their clay footed hero, to address this racket for what it is -- you dismiss me as someone with less regard for humanity.

    How Liberal!
    , @renfro
    If you are a government employee that explains your attitude. You get a lot for nothing and the private sector workers are paying for it.
    Have you no shame? Government employees are another 'entitled class' we need to get rid of.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  59. Michelle says:
    @KenH
    It isn't about not wanting people not to have healthcare. I wince when I hear people claim that Obamacare is a win-win for everyone because it isn't and it has created new winners and losers by redistributing healthcare access among the general population while soaking the predominantly white middle class in the form of exploding premiums, deductibles and out of pocket expenses to pay for it all. Trump and a Republican controlled Congress are the only thing standing in the way of a massive tax increase to save the misguided and foundering Obamacare system.

    Non-white minorities have been the prime beneficiaries of Obamacare through Medicaid expansion and this was by design and admitted by architects like (((Ezekial Emmanuel))):
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/health/immigrants-the-poor-and-minorities-gain-sharply-under-health-act.html
    Of courses, there's corresponding cuts to Medicare which disproportionately affects elderly whites to help pay for the Medicaid expansion. So elderly whites lose while poor and working poor non-white minorities gain.

    Then you had (((Jonathan Gruber))) admitting they had to lie about and exaggerate the benefits of Obamacare so the stupid voter (his words) would support it.

    Obamacare can't be characterized as a fair and benevolent system when it's created far more problems that it's solved.

    Millions of people, formerly lacking healthcare disagree with you, and so do I. Those who have their panties in a twist over it probably have good coverage through their employers, already.

    Read More
    • Replies: @KenH

    Millions of people, formerly lacking healthcare disagree with you, and so do I.
     
    And millions of people who've seen their employer sponsored health insurance premiums increase 2-4 times, had their coverage scaled back or been thrown off their old plans as a result of Obamacare provisions disagree with you. Many of those supposed millions are illegal aliens and others are people who don't want/need health insurance but are forced to buy it owing to the individual mandate under Obamacare.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/03/25/because-of-federal-health-law-illegal-immigrants-get-care/#2facf1142139

    But if it makes you feel like a better person to ignore evidence in favor of all the bleeding heart leftist and Democrat talking points then be my guest.
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  60. Michelle says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Maybe, but only if it is easy and convenient for them to help, and only if you fit their view of someone that should be helped.

    Leftists/liberals are more than willing to silence opposing views and use the force of government to foward their views and objectives. Many of their political views are very undemocratic, such as immigration, and their allied groups such as current antifa, and earlier radical groups, are very violent.

    I don't buy the happy, live and let live, high-trust view that many have of these people. In many cases, they can be outright vicious towards those that they view as enemies or others, which is why conservatives haven't walked all over them. I'd even say that it's not conservatives who wish to mind other people's business, at least not as much.

    If my mother's car is broken down at night in an unfamiliar area, if anyone stopped at all, I would bet that the helper would be more likely to be a deplorable.

    I disagree with you, I know many Liberals who quite literally would not hurt a fly. Many of these Liberals were raised by Republicans. They love their Republican parents, though ruefully shaking their heads at the fact their fathers quit the Elk’s Club after it decided to allow women to become members.

    Read More
    • Replies: @anonymous
    ".. ruefully shaking their heads at the fact their fathers quit the Elk’s Club after it decided to allow women to become members."

    They bravely hate slavery, too, don't they?
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  61. Donald Trump…like Hillary Clinton…is a GD FUCKING WAR CRIMINAL….Every hour of the US Military occupation in Afghanistan increases his criminality…..

    Donald Trump is using the NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS TEENAGE MALE POPULATION as cannon fodder in Afghanistan for his billionaire friends-fiends…

    The US Military prescence in Afghanistan increases the scale of enthusiasm among young Afghan boys for a career as a Taliban fighter…

    So fuck all you Boomer Normie Trump Voters…

    And fuck all you Boomer Normie Hillary Clinton Voters

    A fucking pox on both Voting Blocs…..

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
  62. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Michelle
    I disagree with you, I know many Liberals who quite literally would not hurt a fly. Many of these Liberals were raised by Republicans. They love their Republican parents, though ruefully shaking their heads at the fact their fathers quit the Elk's Club after it decided to allow women to become members.

    “.. ruefully shaking their heads at the fact their fathers quit the Elk’s Club after it decided to allow women to become members.”

    They bravely hate slavery, too, don’t they?

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  63. renfro says:
    @KenH
    I figured that if 4-5% more whites voted for Gillespie that he could have won and that illustrates the problem with mass immigration. Twenty years ago 57% of the white vote would have been good enough to win the gubernatorial race in Virginia and almost every other state but not today.

    If whites voted as a bloc like every other group we'd still have time but we're reaching the point in national elections where 60% of the white vote for the Republicans just isn't good enough anymore.

    Trump hasn't been a total bust but progress on his signature issues like immigration and refugee resettlement, trade and Obamacare has been too slow and incremental for the first two and non-existent on the third. His campaign promises and rhetoric caused us all to dream big and expect results that we aren't getting.

    It looks to me like he's taken his foot off the gas pedal and his new DHS pick is a supporter of DACA and opponent of the proposed border wall so many of his supporters should rightly be asking, WTF?? It does look like things are settling back down to business as usual in Trump land which will guarantee that enough independents and Reagan Democrats will sit out 2020 delivering the election to a white geriatric like Biden or Obama 2.0 in the form of Kamala Harris or Deval Patrick.

    The fact that he's surrounded himself with neocons, RINOs and Manhattan liberals makes me wonder if the fix is already in and that MAGA was just a cheap campaign slogan to energize us flyover rubes.

    ” The fact that he’s surrounded himself with neocons, RINOs and Manhattan liberals makes me wonder if the fix is already in and that MAGA was just a cheap campaign slogan to energize us flyover rubes””>>>

    Looks like doesn’t it?

    Trump now is nothing but a honking mule pulling the plow for the same WS filth and same Jews & Israel in the same old DC swamp.

    He should shut his f***ing twitter mouth and grow some balls and get rid of his ‘advisors’.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  64. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Michelle
    I do not disagree with what you are saying, Obamacare is far from ideal, but, I, as a government employee, enjoy many benefits. I had a kidney stone in May and "enjoyed", (I kid, I kid) 2 free (for me) ambulance rides worth nearly 4,000.00. I felt sure that I would have to pay for the rides and any medication, so I refused some drugs. Once I got to the hospital, I received much needed pain medication. Other people may work harder than I do on a daily basis and yet, they would have had to pay for all that I received, which was paid for by taxpayers. I believe that you object to Obamacare on principle, and tend to disregard your fellow humans to do so.

    Rather than address my point — that most of the friends you feel compelled to defend in this thread are deluded or too cowardly, perhaps because it bears the name of their clay footed hero, to address this racket for what it is — you dismiss me as someone with less regard for humanity.

    How Liberal!

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  65. renfro says:
    @KenH
    It isn't about not wanting people not to have healthcare. I wince when I hear people claim that Obamacare is a win-win for everyone because it isn't and it has created new winners and losers by redistributing healthcare access among the general population while soaking the predominantly white middle class in the form of exploding premiums, deductibles and out of pocket expenses to pay for it all. Trump and a Republican controlled Congress are the only thing standing in the way of a massive tax increase to save the misguided and foundering Obamacare system.

    Non-white minorities have been the prime beneficiaries of Obamacare through Medicaid expansion and this was by design and admitted by architects like (((Ezekial Emmanuel))):
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/health/immigrants-the-poor-and-minorities-gain-sharply-under-health-act.html
    Of courses, there's corresponding cuts to Medicare which disproportionately affects elderly whites to help pay for the Medicaid expansion. So elderly whites lose while poor and working poor non-white minorities gain.

    Then you had (((Jonathan Gruber))) admitting they had to lie about and exaggerate the benefits of Obamacare so the stupid voter (his words) would support it.

    Obamacare can't be characterized as a fair and benevolent system when it's created far more problems that it's solved.

    I laugh when I hear people praise Obama care…they never did ‘get it’.
    All Obama did was set up a plan where everyone had to buy insurance FROM A FOR PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANY…..and then he GUARENTEED the INSURANCE COMPANIES PREMIUMS WOULD BE PAID BY USING TAX DOLLARS TO SUPPLEMENT THE ENROLLES PREMIUN COST.

    I am beginning to think people get what they deserve for being stupid…they never pay attention to the big picture or the DETAILS….they just hear they’re gonna be given something and they roll over and pee themselves like puppies.

    Read More
    • Agree: KenH
    • Replies: @Joe Franklin
    Obama's taxpayer subsidies for ACA insurance carriers are not legal, as the subsidies were never initiated and approved by congress.

    Without the subsidies, ACA will fail.

    It was probably the intention of ACA architects for ACA to fail, so that they could implement a single payer system as a emergency rescue plan.

    ACA requires that all compliant insurance policies include coverage for things many people don't want to pay for, including:

    Elective Abortion
    Tran-sexual surgeries
    AIDS treatments
    STD treatment
    Recreational Drug Abuse Treatment
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  66. renfro says:
    @Michelle
    I do not disagree with what you are saying, Obamacare is far from ideal, but, I, as a government employee, enjoy many benefits. I had a kidney stone in May and "enjoyed", (I kid, I kid) 2 free (for me) ambulance rides worth nearly 4,000.00. I felt sure that I would have to pay for the rides and any medication, so I refused some drugs. Once I got to the hospital, I received much needed pain medication. Other people may work harder than I do on a daily basis and yet, they would have had to pay for all that I received, which was paid for by taxpayers. I believe that you object to Obamacare on principle, and tend to disregard your fellow humans to do so.

    If you are a government employee that explains your attitude. You get a lot for nothing and the private sector workers are paying for it.
    Have you no shame? Government employees are another ‘entitled class’ we need to get rid of.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  67. KenH says:
    @Michelle
    Millions of people, formerly lacking healthcare disagree with you, and so do I. Those who have their panties in a twist over it probably have good coverage through their employers, already.

    Millions of people, formerly lacking healthcare disagree with you, and so do I.

    And millions of people who’ve seen their employer sponsored health insurance premiums increase 2-4 times, had their coverage scaled back or been thrown off their old plans as a result of Obamacare provisions disagree with you. Many of those supposed millions are illegal aliens and others are people who don’t want/need health insurance but are forced to buy it owing to the individual mandate under Obamacare.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/03/25/because-of-federal-health-law-illegal-immigrants-get-care/#2facf1142139

    But if it makes you feel like a better person to ignore evidence in favor of all the bleeding heart leftist and Democrat talking points then be my guest.

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
  68. @renfro
    I laugh when I hear people praise Obama care...they never did 'get it'.
    All Obama did was set up a plan where everyone had to buy insurance FROM A FOR PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANY.....and then he GUARENTEED the INSURANCE COMPANIES PREMIUMS WOULD BE PAID BY USING TAX DOLLARS TO SUPPLEMENT THE ENROLLES PREMIUN COST.

    I am beginning to think people get what they deserve for being stupid...they never pay attention to the big picture or the DETAILS....they just hear they're gonna be given something and they roll over and pee themselves like puppies.

    Obama’s taxpayer subsidies for ACA insurance carriers are not legal, as the subsidies were never initiated and approved by congress.

    Without the subsidies, ACA will fail.

    It was probably the intention of ACA architects for ACA to fail, so that they could implement a single payer system as a emergency rescue plan.

    ACA requires that all compliant insurance policies include coverage for things many people don’t want to pay for, including:

    Elective Abortion
    Tran-sexual surgeries
    AIDS treatments
    STD treatment
    Recreational Drug Abuse Treatment

    Read More
    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
Current Commenter says:

Leave a Reply -


 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments become the property of The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS
PastClassics
The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.
What Was John McCain's True Wartime Record in Vietnam?
The evidence is clear — but often ignored
Are elite university admissions based on meritocracy and diversity as claimed?
A simple remedy for income stagnation