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Australian-American former Ambassador Martin Indyk is the lead negotiator for Secretary of State John Kerry’s Israeli-Palestinian peace initiative. He heads a nearly all-Jewish American negotiating team, including David Makovsky, a “mapping expert” from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) spin-off Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP). Indyk is currently briefing an array of Jewish leaders in the US about his plans while keeping them secret from everyone else. Scott McConnell has observed that the Israelis are characteristically screaming about being forced into an agreement even though they will get nearly everything they want.

As if to demonstrate that no good deed goes unrewarded, Israeli politicians have reviled Kerry in personal terms, leading to a rare rebuke by the White House, while a group of conservative rabbis has warned that God will destroy him. Meanwhile the corrupt Palestinian leaders will likely cave to US pressure in anticipation of the personal rewards they will receive when the donor cash begins to flow after an agreement is signed. The Palestinian people will get the sharp end of the stick.

Make no mistake, Kerry’s objective from the start has been to get the maximum possible for Israel while enticing the Palestinians to accept the barest minimum that will get them to agree to sign on to something. Even if Kerry wanted to be an honest broker he knows he can’t go that route because the Israel Lobby is so powerful and pro-Palestinian sentiment means nothing in terms of American elections. Kerry’s boss President Obama is looking at congressional elections later this year and would be extremely reluctant to antagonize Israel’s friends. So it is better to let the process limp along until the end of the year. If Kerry is very fortunate he might be able to give Israel a lopsided deal that would at least limit the incessant settlement expansion and just might create a modus vivendi that would not threaten to explode every couple of years. But more probably the peace process will again die a natural death, linked inexorably to the US two year election cycle.

There have been some suggestions regarding what the Kerry “framework” proposal might look like. In his secret talks with Jewish American leaders, Martin Indyk has indicated that three quarters of Israeli settlers would be able to stay on the West Bank, which is, in rough terms, 400,000 people. There would be swaps of land to accommodate the settlements by giving the Palestinians parcels of land that are currently regarded as part of Israel. The transfer of population would take place over a period of from three to five years.

Another key feature of the Kerry plan is to give money to Palestinians who were displaced by the Israelis in 1948 and 1967 in exchange for their giving up their right to return to their homes at some future point. Interestingly, money would also be given to Jews who fled their homes in Arab countries, not because they are now lacking homes, but to build political support inside Israel for some kind of agreement. Likewise settlers who are forced to leave their homes on the West Bank will be compensated. The possibly tens of billions of dollars needed will presumably come from Washington.

The Israelis are also insisting that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a “Jewish state,” a demand which Kerry and the president, at least rhetorically, appear to be supporting. They are also demanding that they exercise military control of the Jordan River Valley in any future arrangement, which is surely a deal breaker, but which might be parlayed into a joint US-NATO force providing security.

If it all sounds like a reasonable enough tit-for-tat arrangement that would serve as a jumping off point for further discussions, that is clearly the intention, but the devil is in the details. If Israel is a Jewish state then Muslims and Christians are only citizens or residents by sufferance, meaning that they have only limited rights in obtaining redress for actions undertaken by the Israeli government, including eventual expulsion if Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman has his way. Ongoing negotiations from the “framework” would also prevent the Palestinians from going to the UN in September, an option feared by both Tel Aviv and Washington as overwhelming worldwide support for the Palestinian cause would be evident, fueling new demands for divestment and boycotts of Israel.

The Palestinians would also in principle be conceding control over the major settlement blocs that together cut them off from Jerusalem and also divide the West Bank nearly in quarters, bisecting the West Bank both to the north and south and also to the east and west. The Israeli intention to tighten its grip by expanding the key settlements was made clear last week when it announced approval for 558 new housing units in East Jerusalem, a sharp rebuff for Kerry and the Palestinians even as a framework agreement appears to be imminent.

If the Palestinians are allowed to declare part of East Jerusalem as their capital, it will be surrounded by Israel and possibly only accessible by Israeli military controlled roads. The settlements outside Jerusalem itself are largely built on good, arable land which is why they are located as they are, with access to water. In return the Palestinians will get unproductive land that that the Israelis do not want, carefully mapped out by David Makovsky.

Other possible details to be resolved along the way demonstrate that a Palestinian state would only have limited sovereignty. They include Israeli demands for the complete demilitarization of Palestine and possible control of its borders, Israeli management of scarce water resources, and Tel Aviv’s refusal to permit a Palestinian controlled airport. Jewish-only roads might also survive to link the settlements.

So it is a very bad deal for the Palestinians, but given the lack of effective leadership they have few options apart from a new resort to violence, and Kerry just might be able to convince them to take what they can get. I should think that if I were a Palestinian I would be throwing rocks and graduating up to hand grenades, if I could get hold of any. Living under any government requires an abridgement of freedom, something which we Americans have learned to our chagrin over the past thirteen years as we have watched our constitution shredded and our rights curtailed. But I think the measure of a tolerable arrangement between rulers and ruled is a situation in which there is at least a modicum of democratic self-determination. If you can push back against the government or vote to throw the bums out, even if you know it won’t change anything, it at least permits some self-respect.

Palestinians have nothing like that to fall back on. They are helpless in a confrontation with a ruthless and powerful enemy backed by the world’s only superpower. They have become the victims of the Israeli occupiers and also of their own leaders and an essentially indifferent United States. As an American I am ashamed of Washington’s role in the suppression of the Palestinian people. We too should be throwing rocks, but directed at Congress, the White House and the mainstream media, which have together caused our country to become a true heart of darkness.

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  1. It seems that either way, by Palestinians formally agreeing to become a Bantustan, or by there being no agreement at all, with continued Jewish settlement expansion, that Israel’s fate is to either become a real apartheid state or to engage in ethnic cleansing, something it is morally difficult for it to do outright, given the Jewish people’s own Holocaust experience and the conscience of worldwide Jewry.

    In Australia, Canada, the United States and New Zealand, the settler paradigm worked for those nominally “Christian” nations of colonizers, because disease and sheer numbers of immigrants decimated the number of natives to a tiny minority. Racism and religious discrimination played their part, but in today’s world that colonial mentality of the past is anathema. Even at the height of conquest, none of those countries were officially Christian. Demographically, Palestinians in Israel represent not a tiny minority, but one whose population is so large that the notion of allowing democratic equality would mean the end of either Jewish hegemony, that is, the ending the exclusively Jewish monopoly of the state’s identity, or minority rule Afrikaaner South Africa style.

    The contradictions inherent in an apartheid state in the modern world, based as it is on medieval notions of racial, ethnic and religious exclusion from full civic rights, will eventually overwhelm such a state and its viability.

    It is a tragedy that the aspirations of a people who have given the western world so many of its better attributes, contributing mightily to notions of liberty and equality, have paradoxically led down a blind ally, due to the perennial human mistake of trying to use bad means to achieve good aims.

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  2. The Palestinians have three other options in my opinion. 1. They can emigrate to Western Europe (that is what I would do if I were Palestinian and if it were possible). 2. Peacefully record and share what Israel does to them without raising arms against Israel, and hopefully the international community will be shamed into putting pressure on Israel like the BDS movement. If not then it will continue to fuel the last option. 3. If violence is the only resort for them then it would be in their interest to figure out how to get the mujahedin out of Syria and into the occupied territories and Israel. The Palestinians just need to figure out how to make themselves a priority. Could they win?

    I don’t think option 1 is going to happen. If option 2 works then everyone wins. Option 3 is the just deserts Israel will receive if it doesn’t make peace now. I wish the US would stay out of it and stop enabling this immoral train wreck. If Israel lost support it would make peace wouldn’t it?

    Forgive me (and sorry for helping drag that other thread out so long), but I saw this quote from Abe Foxman:
    “Can you be anti-Zionist and not be an anti-Semite? Almost never. Unless you can prove to me you’re against nationalism. If you’re one of those unique individuals in this world that’s opposed to American nationalism, French nationalism, Palestinian nationalism, then you can be opposed to Jewish nationalism. Is it racist? You bet it is. Every nationalism is racist. It sets its laws of citizenship, it sets its own capital… It sets its songs, it sets its values. It is, if you will, exclusive, and you can even call it racist. But if the only nationalism in the world that is racist is Jewish nationalism, then you’re an anti-Semite.. I don’t want to make any apologies for it. ”

    I thought it was interesting on multiple levels. Does that work for Palestinians? They are Semites too.

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  3. Fran Macadam Wrote: “The contradictions inherent in an apartheid state in the modern world, based as it is on medieval notions of racial, ethnic and religious exclusion from full civic rights, will eventually overwhelm such a state and its viability.”

    Not to quibble, but European Medieval governance was far less racial in character than that common in modern nation states. The Crusaders who we are all meant to hate, were remarkably open handed regarding their Muslim subjects. There was relatively little European immigration into the Crusader Kingdoms. This was their ultimate undoing. They had no large Christian manpower reserves to defend against a Muslim reconquest. Medieval Europeans could be cruel and yet chivalrous by turns.

    Perhaps the Israeli’s have an eye to this history in their increasingly racial policies. And it hardly needs saying that the Israelis are not noted for their chivalry.

    Personally, I can’t bring myself to give a damn about whether The Jews create a little pure heimat for themselves. I do protest our paying for its defense and I object to the efforts of Jews here, who choose not to live in the land of the Jews, to subvert my country to their little heimat’s ends.

    This endless charade about peace between Israelis and Palestinians could be solved by an American administration easily. Since Israel lives off us, we should call the shots about her borders. A map and a red grease pencil are all that is required. Some future version of Kerry merely needs to delineate what we recognize as Israel’s borders. Any Israeli activity outside those lines will result in a cutoff of funding.

    AIPAC and sister organizations must be forced to register an agent of a foreign power. The slightest violation on their part must be prosecuted and violators get very high bails. Holders of dual citizenship with Israel must be required to chose their allegiance.

    Oh, and before brokering any pact requiring Palestinians to recognize Israel as a “Jewish state,” the Israeli’s must recognize us as a Christian state. It’s only fair.

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  4. “If you’re one of those unique individuals in this world that’s opposed to American nationalism, French nationalism, Palestinian nationalism, then you can be opposed to Jewish nationalism. Is it racist? You bet it is. Every nationalism is racist.” – Abe Foxman, ADL.

    Foxman seems to be calling nationalism xenophobic jingoism. That says more about how he sees his own support for Zionism and I guess that’s the way he sees support for Israel’s government, or that of any other nation, as a zero sum game.

    Ironically, this is a definition of nationalism that resembles that of the last-century persecutors of the Jews.

    I’m for nations, if the alternative is an unaccountable one world government. But I’m not for national governments that are more than organizational entities that serve narrow common interests, which instead wield overarching power to infringe upon others’ freedoms at home or abroad.

    So yeah, I’m opposed to the kind of patriotism Foxman describes, which sounds to me to resemble much more Dr. Johnson’s last refuge of scoundrels. My country right or wrong? No.

    That quintessential American, Mark Twain, observed that it was too bad that in order to love his own country, he was required to despise everyone else’s.

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  5. Good article Phil. It seems SO many people recognise the injustice to Palestinians (at least here in Australia and Europe) but nothing ever changes and Israel is happy to stall while gradually expanding. I wonder where the sympathies of people in the US lie. Of course the American “people” and “congress” are very different entities with different motives and incentives.

    I also believe guilt for Jewish victims of WWII is a big part of why Israel is able to get away with so much, but that will wither away as the older generations who lived through WWII die and only Hollywood can keep pushing that sentiment. And today, there are even movies showing the Palestinian situation (although no blockbusters of course). Anyway, from time to time I think something is about to change but surely it is inevitable as more people have better access to information such as your articles. Thank you.
    ps. I always enjoy your interviews on Scott Horton’s show so pls keep doing him a favour by appearing

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  6. Then there is the option available to Palestinians that everyone shudders to think about. Intifada!

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  7. Johnny Ive.
    Let the Jewish people accept the terms and conditions inherent in current Jewish nationalism and apply that to France,US ,and Australia and Canada ( the respective nationalism) . Abe Foxman should lead the charge . He should not accuse or curse any American nationalist if for the sake of US interest, US enters into deals with any country or groups that Jewish leader may not like., Christian holidays to be celebrated out in the open in public offices and places, no rest day for Jewish employees on Saturday, no holiday on Yom Kippur, no more forced education about Holocaust, no more homeland security money for the security of the Jewish establishment, no more allowing of election of Jewish faith in congress and Senate , no more Jewish charter school in NY and NJ supported by tax payer, removal of different and myriad arrangements between Israel and US in intelligence , no more choosing of Jewish faith in any offices who are dual citizen .and end of the yearly pilgrimage by lawmakers to Israel ,end of yearly donations and grants to Israel. Let take the money ( since land is not owned by Jewish people but we can include the Manhattan real estates) from rich Jewish people nd give it too or Christian white American from Kansas or Missouri and allow segregated banking and roads and school for the a jewish people . Lets encourage the Jewish people leave the country with financial compensation
    Let Abe practice what he preaches before comparing boar to the deer or mixing apple to rotten figs.

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  8. @Johnny F. Ive quoting Abe Foxman:

    “Can you be anti-Zionist and not be an anti-Semite? Almost never. … But if the only nationalism in the world that is racist is Jewish nationalism, then you’re an anti-Semite.”

    This is fallacious, “on multiple levels.”

    There’s a possibly more famous quote:

    “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism!”
    ~Martin Luther King, Jr.


    1. Racism: Js are *not* a race, but a religion – which, by allowing converts, continuously dilutes any genetic J-ness (but whoever Js may be, IF they want something THEN they may purchase it in free & fair exchanges – or not, just like everyone else has to).

    2. Anti-Semite: Js do *not* have a monopoly on Semitism – in fact the opposite; stay-put natives are more likely to be more Semitic than any wanderers ever could be, see ‘dilution’ above.

    3. Anti-nationalism: Anti-Zionism is *not* anti-nation, anti-people nor anti-religion; the problem is what Zionists *do* = murder for spoil = the Zionists of Israel illegally squat on improperly dispossessed land/property = stolen from hapless native ELO/Os (erstwhile legal owner/occupiers).

    It’s the Z-crimes = ethnic cleansing by genocidal methods that count.

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  9. The greatest threat to many are the consequences of their own actions. The Israelis do not recognise this concept but as their situation becomes increasingly compromised (as a result of blowback), in time it will likely be their undoing. They should have pursued a genuine peace deal. Instead, they continue to employ a disingenuous ‘peace process’ that facilitates the effective annexation of ever more occupied territory. Unfortunately, a lasting peace agreement is almost unachievable recognising that a viable Palestinian state is arguably not possible due to the partitioning of any potential Palestinian state by settlements, connecting roads and chokepoints/checkpoints.

    Israeli assets within the U.S. government and U.S. officials will almost certainly continue to issue unreasonable demands and employ deceit/manipulation to engineer support for their position but deceit and manipulation will not save them from coming events. Other events are likely to render this issue mute. Far larger conflagrations are approaching.

    Many wars of lower intensity are globally expanding however this is a relative calm before a coming storm. Already, Israel is preparing for a multi-front regional conflagration. But such a conflagration is merely part of a larger picture. Unfortunately history is largely repeating. Another military bloc has embraced militarism. This militarism is unlikely to cease. Even as this militarism is globally expanding, they do not yet understand what is occurring. In time they will. Ut sementem feceris ita metes.

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  10. Just imagine if Israel reverts back to the Palestinians? Be prepared for these Israelies to settle mostly in USA. God help us :^(

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  11. “Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs… Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home” Mahatma Gandhi.

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  12. “1. Racism: Js are *not* a race, but a religion”

    That’s not how anti-semites have historically persecuted Jews. Regardless of religious conversion away from Judaism or even to agnosticism or atheism, the genocidal persecutors from the Spanish Inquisition to the Nazis and their sympathizers have universally determined Jewishness to be racially inherent.

    Nor is it how many Jewish groups argue about who is Jewish. Converts to Judaism don’t enjoy full Jewish status conferred by blood.

    Most Christians converts from religious Judaism still say they are Jewish, as do the many irreligious Jews.

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  13. Palestinians or Arabs will get nothing thre is a revolt in America to facilitate Palestinians and is not possible. American policy can,t change and is only for Isreal and Arabs will be only killed or tortured by America.

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  14. Based on rumors about what Kerry’s framework proposal looks like (rumors which are likely false, as I doubt Israel will annex settlements that would bisect the West Bank), Giraldi advises Palestinians to walk away and appears to call for a Third Intifada. Giraldi is director of the Council for the National Interest, which states that it “advocates for Middle East policies that serve the national interest.” How would Palestinians walking away from a US-brokered peace proposal (based on mere rumors of what it entails) and greatly escalated violence in Israel/West Bank serve the US national interest?

    Rex in Aust asks, “I wonder where the sympathies of people in the US lie.
    “Americans’ sympathies lean heavily toward the Israelis over the Palestinians, 64% vs. 12%.”

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  15. Thousands of young Israelis march to E-1 to protest talks with Palestinians
    Israeli rightists and members of Netanyahu’s cabinet march between Ma’ale Adumim in the West Bank and the contested E-1 area, also in protest of PM’s decision to block construction there.
    By Chaim Levinson | 19:15 13.02.14 | 0
    Few days ago the Rabbi got together and prayed against peace
    Knesset members denounced EU representative as antisemite for pointing to the Palesstinian sufferings and accused him of inciting violence!

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  16. @Fran Macadam: “… or to engage in ethnic cleansing, something it is morally difficult for it to do outright, given the Jewish people’s own Holocaust experience and the conscience of worldwide Jewry.”

    Me: No; ethnic cleansing was planned from the start, proof:

    Herzl, 1897: “… Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.”

    Jabotinsky, 1923: “Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach.”

    Ben-Gurion(1936-39): “We must see the situation for what it is. … But in the political field we are the attackers and the Arabs are those defending themselves. They are living in the country and own the land, …”

    Note the dates. Then review King David Hotel bombing, Plan Dalet, Deir Yassin massacre etc. = continuous/intermittent atrocities down to the ‘current moment.’

    Me: The Zs make exaggerated claims re democracy; IF there was any effective “conscience of worldwide Jewry” THEN the Z-project could be stopped in favour of justice for the hapless victims – but the Z-crimes against humanity continue.

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  17. Aletheia, the government of Israel hasn’t gone so far as to engage in outright mass liquidation of the Palestinians, as some German leaders planned for and tried to carry out on the Jewish people with partial success. They do wish they would just somehow disappear on their own and be encouraged through oppression to do so. It is true the potential is present in any subset of human beings – Jewish scripture gives precedent even for the smashing of babies’ heads against the rocks and leaving not a single one of “the other” alive in the land. How the government of Israel is acting now is well within the dismal standards of domination, violence and discrimination practiced by just about all governments from time to time. That is to say, without moral justification.

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  18. @Fran Macadam: “the government of Israel hasn’t gone so far as to engage in outright mass liquidation of the Palestinians, as some German leaders planned for and tried to carry out on the Jewish people with partial success.”

    Me#1: I think this is called “moral relativism,” aka: What the Zs are doing to the Ps is not as bad as the Gs did to the Js – so that’s OK?

    Well it’s not, and absolutely not, no relativity-escape.

    Me#2: I think this is also called the “holocaust gambit,” but note,

    Me#3: Most of the Z-planning was done *before* WW2 = 1897++.

    How the government of Israel is acting now is how the Zs have acted since they aggressively invaded Palestine (by stealth, or calling it ‘immigration’ disguises neither the act nor its intent) – then attacking mostly unarmed native civilians – the Zs were careful to arm themselves appropriately before Plan Dalet (and all Z-atrocities before, during and since), thanks partly to G.Meir raising $50mio in the US for arms.

    Since you raise the holocaust, be advised that the Nuremberg courts sentenced perpetrators to hanging, for *exactly* the same type of offences that the Zs are now actively engaged in, namely seeking Lebensraum by aggressive invasion and murdering force.

    Q: Why are you trying minimise the offences, excuse the perpetrators?

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  19. Aletheia:

    It’s possible to criticize a government’s policies without impugning every one of its people or that of every member of a political movement associated with it, or even everyone with relatives there.

    It’s a fact there is no cause so just, that it does not have some scurrilous adherents.

    Not everyone who criticizes current Israeli policies is antisemitic, but there are some who are.

    For better or worse to do with what happened in the past, to do good now, we have to deal with situations as they exist, not how we wish they were. That means taking into account the well-being and safety of all human beings, not just those recently aggrieved.

    Zionism’s arc didn’t happen in a vacuum; if not for the trauma of Nazi genocide, abetted or ignored by too many other gentile nations, what played out in Palestine post-1945 would certainly not have occurred in just this way. The unforeseen consequences of war from World War I have had a pernicious and poisoning effect on all developments since; violence begets violence as it always does. The vile treatment of the Jews has a long pedigree; it was Martin Luther who called for their being burned out of Germany centuries before for failure to accept Christ, which he had excused when it was Catholics so exhorting.

    In America, genocidal policies were used to establish the settler government and to decimate and displace the aboriginal population, to which my family belongs. But there never have been any meaningful prosecutions by those who conducted the Nuremberg trials against a defeated enemy, in the matter of any depredations and atrocities directed by American authorities here at home, up to those of this very day.

    Let him who is without sin, cast the first stone.

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  20. This reminds me of the observation by Vincent Sheean
    ” how idealism goes hand in hand with the most terrific cynicism ….how they are fascist in their own affairs,with regard to Palestine, and internationalists in every thing else ” that was 1930′s conclusion.

    Nowadays the epithet ” Progressive except for Palestine ” captures the efforts of western countries in helping Syrians, Libyans, Ukrainians while ignoring the Palestinians despite having the economic power to impose a solution on intransigent Israel.
    But this blind spot is not genetic or moral or developmental. It has been created and sustained by imposed ignorance and by silencing the voices of the other party in the public domains . The knee jerk support to Israel stems from this one sided repeated distorted misrepresented story told by the politicians,Hollywood,media,and by the Zionist lobbies camouflaging as all American quintessential Judeo Christian expression of divinity,secularism,democracy,and fight against authoritarianism of Islamic ideology.
    This state of affairs has also created the moral and cognitive dissonance in every issue that surface in relation to Israel and Palestine conflict. It is so ingrained and default position for the unthinking leaders that the blue becomes red and water becomes mirage to these solution seeking leaders in the desert of intellectual – moral landscape that they enter anytime to maintain the Israeli position under the umbrella of peace process. The very ideas that the west have disowned ,becomes the pivot and the fulcrum on which they rotate their moral and political compass.

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  21. ‘Historical revisionism and actual events that preceded World War 2′
    Unfortunately, many do not understand key political events that preceded WW2 and how they relate to what is occurring. Indeed, many are unaware of these events in recent history. It is however of significant importance to recognise interesting parallels between current events that will almost certainly end in horror and events in recent history that did. Only now it is occurring in a nuclear era.

    ‘The agitation for successive wars by various Jewish organisations/lobby groups’
    Besides the globally expanding militarism of another military bloc (evident by the successive wars/regime change operations of the U.S./NATO/Israel/Partnership member alliance), it is important to recognise the role of Israel (and its global network of assets) in these operations (that include destabilisation/ partition/ regime change operations, economic warfare, containment strategies, the pursuit of primacy/full spectrum dominance, etc.) and the likely outcome based on similar events in recent history. Various Jewish organisations/activists again play a key role in advocating/agitating for wars and regime change operations. We need only consider events in recent history and parallels with current developments:

    - ‘Judea Declares War on Germany!’, Daily Express, March 24, 1933.
    - “This declaration called the war against Germany, which was now determined on, a ‘holy war’. This war was to be carried out against Germany to its conclusion, to her destruction” (Dr. Franz J. Scheidl)
    - “For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community, at each conference, in all our syndicates, and by each Jew all over the world… We will trigger a spiritual and material war of all the world against Germany’s ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand the complete destruction of Germany” (Vladimir Jabotinsky, January, 1934)
    - “Hitler will have no war [does not want war], but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon.” (Emil Ludwig Cohn, June, 1934)
    - “We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany.” (David A. Brown, United Jewish Campaign, 1934)
    - “Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war without mercy against her.” (Bernard Lecache, 9 November, 1938)

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  22. P2. – “The war now proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish hegemony throughout the world.” (Brigadier General George Van Horn Mosely, The New York Tribune, March 29, 1939)
    - “The millions of Jews who live in America, England and France, North and South Africa, and, not to forget those in Palestine, are determined to bring the war of annihilation against Germany to its final end.” (Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederland, September 13, 1939)
    - “The Jews, taken collectively, view this war as a holy war.” (The Daily Herald, 1939)
    - “The World Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years.” (Rabbi M. Perlzweig, February 26, 1940)
    - “we are the Trojan horses in the enemy’s fortress. Thousands of Jews living in Europe constitute the principal factor in the destruction of our enemy.” (Chaim Weizmann, President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later President of Israel, in a Speech on December 3, 1942, in New York)
    - “It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was wanted and provoked solely by international statesmen either of Jewish origin or working for Jewish interests. Nor had I ever wished that after the appalling first World War, there would ever be a second against either England or America.” (Adolf Hitler, April, 1945)
    - Review of ‘Germany Must Perish!’, by Theodore N. Kaufman, Newark, N.J., Argyle press, 1941: “Kaufman’s fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman’s plan a sensational idea.”

    Shortly after these declarations of war (including total war) against Germany were made, the holocaust occurred. Without understanding events that occurred before Hitler’s murderous Holocaust, no lessons will have been learned. The Holocaust was an atrocity but the declaration of war (including total war) by numerous Jewish organisations played no insignificant role leading up to these events.

    Just as the economic and holy war (declared before World War 2) by numerous Jewish organisations around the world against the Nazi German government (including publications such as ‘Germany must Perish’ ie. the advocacy of Total War) occurred before the holocaust, similarly it is a matter of significance to recognise the agitation for war/warmongering by various Jewish lobbyists/ organisations/ activists/ ideologues around the world that unfortunately will almost certainly eventually result in another far larger holocaust.

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  23. Impressive post, Fran Macadam; my interpretation of each paragraph:

    accusation by innuendo (impugning all Js)

    ‘bad apple’ pretext (some scurrilous adherents)

    accusation by innuendo (antisemitic)

    ‘facts on the ground’ pretext

    ‘blaming others’ pretext

    ‘poor little me’ (appeal for sympathy)

    direct accusation (outrageous biblical reference)

    IF we could restrict the exchange only to facts THEN the most amazing fact is that the Z-project is based on a ‘big lie,’ namely that the Z-actions were all justified, or defensive, but in any case somehow legal and not so BTW, moral – when the actual facts on the ground are ~94% otherwise.

    In the beginning was coveting; the Zs tried to buy their way in, but almost immediately ran into resistance. By 1948, they had managed to ‘legally’ acquire a whopping ~6% of Mandate Palestine, often sub-standard land, often for outrageous prices.

    “A fair exchange is no robbery.”

    All the rest is history; outside of the ~6%, whatever else they occupy they did *not* acquire it in ‘free&fair’ voluntary exchanges but rather premeditated armed theft, aka ethnic cleansing via genocidal methods = murder for spoil.

    Proof (repeat); Ben-Gurion(1936-39): “We must see the situation for what it is. … But in the political field we are the attackers and the Arabs are those defending themselves. They are living in the country and own the land, …” Emphasis: Zs = attackers, Ps = owners.

    IF any further arguments THEN kindly stick to provable facts.

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  24. I am sorry, but expressing my opinions are not subject to prior approval by anyone, except the moderators of this forum, though I certainly recognize logical critiques and consider modification of them, if demonstrably provable.

    I think Phil Giraldi’s well-reasoned and mostly-well stated positions have become such a threat to the status quo of an unproductive and very damaging foreign policy, that now the comments section is being inundated, since reasonably-stated opposition failed to discredit him, with highly irrational and inflammatory comments designed to tar him by association with rabid antisemitism.

    I know there is no monolithic exclusive Jewish conspiracy in the world, though no doubt conspiracies abound among all the duplicitous power-seekers and wielders of every ethnicity united by those lusts alone, all of which are notable for there being no honor among thieves to such an extent that they continually back stab and betray one another for advantage.

    There is such a thing as a paranoid and deranged hatred of Jews (that is, with significant aspects of it relying upon the improbable or unprovable, such as in the past or in the Mideast the false flag of the scurrilous Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or the sorts of Zundel-speak that fabricate Nazi Germans as the victims at the hands of Jews, supposedly forcing their hand, as above.)

    Please cease the false flag operation of planting overt George Lincoln Rockwell Skokie marches in Phil Giraldi territory.

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  25. Fran Macadam,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    Hitler’s willing executioners were no different from that of Lenin and Stalin. Someone could argue despite Lenin never endorsing though.
    Stalin purges after Cheka had evisecrated common folks affected Jewish group disproportionately for the Jewish were disproportionately represented in security and administrative branches locally and centrally . It was not antisemitism. But the Jewish power wielding the lever of Cheka mostly eliminated the gentile religious and cultural identities but managed to spare Jewish group and the Jewish institutions.

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  26. Don’t forget Stalin’s last aborted purge, which threatened to be the most terrible of all, driven by the paranoia of the “Doctors’ Plot,” which was focused on Jewish people. The crime of Jewishness wasn’t ameliorated by being an atheist or Communist, only by the dictator’s death. Antisemitism had became a factor in the hatred for schismatic Lev Bronstein, AKA Trotsky. Antisemitism became a feature of Soviet life, hence the push for the Soviet Union to allow Jewish emigration, either to the west or Israel. Ironically, some former Soviet dissident Israelis are among the most intolerant in Israel today.

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  27. @Fran Macadam: “… comments section is being inundated, … with highly irrational and inflammatory comments designed to tar him by association with rabid antisemitism.”

    Me: Not nice.

    @Fran Macadam: “… false flag operation of planting overt George Lincoln Rockwell Skokie marches …”

    Me: Even less nice.

    My quest is for truth + justice = peace.

    I put a lot of effort into validating any material I may deploy; here is a source for my BG-quote; google this: “They are living in the country and own the land, the village.”

    unispal A/68/L.15
    19 November 2013:
    “22. Also stresses the need for a just resolution of the problem of Palestine refugees in conformity with its resolution 194 (III) of 11 December 1948;”

    “11. Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible;”

    My summary: return, revest &/ recompense = the improperly dispossessed Palestinians *still* have a valid claim on their improperly alienated land/property.

    No peace without justice; my call is for the aggressors to justly settle their victims’ valid claims. That’s all. An apology would be nice.

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  28. Fran M
    The Jewish immigration out of Soviet was blocked by Soviet and was encouraged by Israel which in turn was pressurized by US through Vanik -Jacksonn laws . Jackson Scoop saw the opportunity in supporting this endeavor for his presidential ambition. His office wash populated by
    Perle and his ilk who left Democratic Party for Reagan when he could not gain traction in nomination.
    Why did US end up encouraging and settling so many Jews out of Soviet and so few other ethnic and religious minorities ( settling in US ) when the vast number of those persecuted involved non a jewish non Russian ethnic blocks? Reason is they had no lobby here in US.

    Soviet did not want Jews to leave for many reasons common to similar attitude to other groups . Jews in addition was encouraged to settle in occupied territories that was not supported by Soviet. The reason Jewish people wanted to leave was for better opportunity as they are doing now – moving to Germany. The economic movement was seen after the economic free fall of Argentina when Jewish people moved out and relocated to US and Spain in large numbers in

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  29. Don’t forget the Lautenberg amendment, forcing the US to grant a quota of Russian Jews even after the extinction of the USSR.

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  30. Thomas Meehan
    I read somewhere that Latunberg supplied the most incredulous reason one come up with while legislating this . He informed the public how the history of parental persecution or of some other relatives could support an admission to US as refugee escaping from persecution.

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