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Everyone should read Henry Siegman’s long piece in the National Interest on the “Implications of President Trump’s Jerusalem Ploy.” Siegman is a great leader because he has bucked the American and Jewish establishment, of which he is a member, to declare that the two-state solution is dead and buried.

He is also a prophet inasmuch as he is counseling American Jewry to give up its attachment to Zionism as a dead letter, no different from a Christian state here, and so prepare itself for a future in which Israel is isolated as a pariah state and there is a “significant exodus of Israel’s Jews.”

His words are astounding because Siegman, a Holocaust survivor now in his late 80s, was himself a Zionist, and head of the World Jewish Congress. His bravery in renouncing the animating political faiths of his life– it’s inspiring.

His intervention is especially meaningful because this week Barack Obama came back for an encore, at a prominent NY synagogue this week, and trotted out his usual b.s. about being Israel’s best friend, and softening his good last blow– allowing the Security Council settlements resolution to pass– by saying that settlement construction had “rocketed,” so he had to do something. No vision at all, from a person who has some high degree of freedom in his life. Siegman knocks Obama hard in his piece.

Here are some crucial passages. Near the end of the piece, Siegman lays out the cruel delusion of Oslo and praises Trump for shattering “the illusion of a two-state outcome,” finally turning the struggle to one of equal rights no statehood. Notice how he aligns himself with young Palestinians’ hopes and idealism.

Nothing has been as harmful to the Palestinian struggle to end Israel’s occupation and unrelenting theft of territory intended for its state as Abbas’ insistence on the preservation of the Palestinian Authority and the myth that it serves as “a state in formation,” when it so clearly allowed Israel to solidify its occupation. Trump’s move on Jerusalem achieved what years of Israel’s settlements failed to do—shatter the illusion of a two-state outcome, and allow the Palestinian national movement to turn into a struggle for rights, which is to say a struggle to end Israel’s de facto apartheid regime, a course I have advocated for over a decade, and now increasingly embraced by younger Palestinians. What is particularly significant is that this younger generation is opting for a struggle for equal rights in a single state not because they despair of achieving a state of their own, but because it is their preferred solution.

Siegman then endorse the struggle for equal rights and the end of Zionism. This is his conclusion. Notice the clarity of his phrasing. There are no evasions here. And: notice the repeated references to an exodus of Jews.

It is the right choice, for their struggle for a state of their own is one Palestinians cannot win, while a struggle to maintain an apartheid regime is one Israel cannot win.

If after what undoubtedly would be a long and bitter anti-apartheid struggle Palestinians prevail, they will be in the clear majority. Having established the principle that the majority can impose on the minority the religious and cultural identity of the State, Israel will not be in a strong position to deny Palestinians that same right. That will lead in time to a significant exodus of Israel’s Jews.

If Palestinians do not prevail, then the undeniable apartheid character of the state and the cost of the ongoing struggle will lead to the same result—an exodus of Israel’s Jews over time, creating an even greater demographic imbalance between the country’s Jewish and Arab populations. Palestinians will not leave because they will have nowhere to go.

Next, no tears for Zionism. And a warning to American Jews to abandon Zionism.

The outcome is therefore likely to be the end of Israel as a Jewish state. If so, it will be an outcome brought about not by BDS movements but by Israelis themselves, not only because of their rejection of the two-state solution, but because of their insistence on defining Israel’s national identity and territorial claims in religious terms. A state that fast-tracks citizenship through government-sponsored religious conversion to Judaism, as Israel’s government now does, cannot for long hide that it privileges its Jewish citizens—just as the United States could not have claimed to be a democracy if conversion to Christianity were a path to U.S. citizenship.

Of course Palestinians have been saying this for a long time, idealistic democracy-loving Palestinians like Ali Abunimah and Omar Barghouti and Linda Sarsour. Yes, but it is meaningful that a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a former Zionist leader is saying so, folks.

Some other bits. The peace process is a lie and a scam.

Critics of Trump’s declaration warned that it will put an end to what prospect there may still have been for a resumption of the peace process. Apparently word that the peace process is dead and buried never reached them. The fiction of its existence served no purpose other than to provide Netanyahu cover for his lie that the reason Israel is not already an apartheid state is that he is waiting for the resumption of the peace process with a more accommodating Palestinian leadership.

The leaders of Western democracies have yet to end their shameful collaboration with this Israeli scam. Not that they ever believed it, but they needed to pretend that they do, for otherwise they would have had to explain why they urged the security council to impose sanctions on Russia for its land grab in the Ukraine but refused to impose sanctions on Israel for its land grabs in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

Obama was part of this longrunning scam:

This pretense was also what led President Obama to say in one of his speeches to the UN Annual Meeting of the General Assembly something that is outrageously untrue—that the UN is not the place to which Palestinians can bring their quest for self-determination and statehood because that can only be resolved in direct negotiations with Netanyahu. No one knew better than Obama that the UN was established exactly for that reason—to help populations under former colonial control achieve self-determination.

Those who tell the Palestinians to negotiate are cruel, and nuts.

It would be madness for Abbas to resume negotiations that both Israel and the self-appointed mediator have publicly declared allow Israel to grab Palestinian territory. For what do the powerless Palestinians have going for them in these negotiations other than international law?

Jewish liberals would not recognize Israel. Its culture is shaped by the brutality of disenfranchising people on a racial basis:

Israel’s dominant political culture is today far more reflective of Trumpian and similar mid-European authoritarian values. It is the predictable by-product of a culture shaped by the unrelenting repression and total disenfranchisement of millions of people under Israel’s military rule that is now in its fiftieth year. Virtually every young Israeli Jewish citizen spends three impressionable years of his young life looking at Palestinians through his rifle’s sights as potential targets to be eliminated.

Lacerating anecdote showing Israeli racism, emphasis mine.

I happened to be in Israel during a launch of a new book by an author and historian, Raphael Israeli, a professor emeritus at the Hebrew University. The event, which drew a large Likud crowd, including government ministers and Knesset members, reminded me—like nothing else ever did in my over sixty years of professional engagement with the Israel-Palestine conflict—of how woefully uninformed not only the American public but our government officials and academics are about the realities on the ground in Israel and in the Palestinian occupied territories.

The central thesis of this new book, titled “The Arab Minority in Israel” (published only in Hebrew), is that Israeli Arabs are a fifth column “who suck from the state’s teats” and cannot be integrated into Israeli society. Expressing admiration for the Americans’ internment of its Japanese citizens during World War II, the author advocates the confinement of Israeli Arabs in concentration camps. The author sees Israel’s failure to have taken such measures as a sign of “an enfeebled Israel that has lost its will to exist.” For “although the Arabs openly identify with our enemy . . . [n]ot only are they not incarcerated in camps, we allow them to stand on our platforms.”

These are not Palestinian residents of the West Bank, but Palestinian citizens of the State of Israel that he is describing.

There is also some excellent religious history about the non-attachment of Jews to Jerusalem as a place.

Muslims actually lived in Jerusalem and worshipped at the Noble Sanctuary for over a millennium. Most Jews did not make their lives in Jerusalem during these past two millenniums, even in times when they were able to do so…

In fact, the Jewish attachment to Jerusalem related not to its status as a capital city but to the location of the Batei Hamikdash, the two ancient Temples; Jerusalem was not known as Yerushalayim Habira (Jerusalem the Capital). When the second Temple was destroyed and the sages deferred its rebuilding and the resumption of its rituals to messianic times, there was no longer a compelling reason to live in Jerusalem. The small Orthodox community that continued to exist in Jerusalem considers Zionism a heresy and to this day does not recognize the religious or political legitimacy of the State of Israel.

The founders of the Zionist movement had little regard for the Messiah, and even less for Jerusalem….

I don’t understand why Siegman is not in all our leading papers and on the cable shows. The New York Times should be interviewing him; Chris Hayes should be hosting him. Because this is news. For the U.S. establishment it’s huge news. The two state solution is an illusion, the peace process is dead and buried, maintaining otherwise is a scam that serves Netanyahu, and Jews should prepare themselves for a “significant exodus of Jews” from Israel as it faces a future of acknowledged apartheid or– democracy.

Thanks to John Whitbeck and James North and Henry Norr.

PS. I originally stated that this piece appeared in the National, not the National Interest. A world of difference there.

(Republished from Mondoweiss by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel’s land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

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    • Replies: @The Defiant Goy
    Jehovah is an imaginary demon.

    He's not going to protect the Jews in the future any more than he helped them when the righteous German rage showed them who's boss if it's a race of workers vs a race of traders and moneylenders.

    I'm sure glad Austrians purged my native Slovenia of the Jewish plague. So praise Jehovah for that, at least.
    , @RobinG
    Why are you here? Zionism is bullshit.

    "....we know that 3,000 years ago the Celtic people resided in places like present-day Switzerland. Just because 3,000 years ago some people believed that God gave Jerusalem specifically to the Jewish people, that doesn’t mean that you ignore the next 3,000 years and the place should become the capital of Israel based on biblical references. The idea that the rights of the Palestinian people can be ignored because of religious text written down thousands of years ago is absolutely ludicrous." CRAIG MURRAY
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/31/former-ambassador-reflects-on-current-events/
    , @Moi
    God is NOT in the real estate business--other than as the Creator of all things.
    , @RealAmerican
    If not in Jordan, then in the Sinai desert, if you wish. But what is to be done with those bloodthirsty Turks and the magnificent Persians presently amassing in Syria? Israel needs her diaspora patriots, such as you are, and the sooner you find your way there, the better for her survival.
    , @Dissident X
    The Zionist enterprise is likely on a path of doom, of their own making.
    Unfortunately, many (comparatively*) good people will be disproportionately targeted because of the ongoing crimes against humanity being committed continually by the zionist leadership of gangsters.

    * comparatively
    any person ascribing to and in any way, supporting an ideology of separation and domination of all humankind, recognizing out-group people as 'beastial' and 'only looking like 'humans' to better serve 'the chosen people' are collaborators, even if only in a small way.
    All people should recognize the inherent anti-social imperative of this Torah-Talmud ideology, those self-recognizing as 'jew' should publicly and definitely renounce this ideology and move on with the rest, and as part of humanity.
    , @Alden
    Abraham, the original dead beat Dad.

    Jacob, the mass murderer who massacred an entire tribe of goyim while the men were all incapacitated.
    , @anon
    Destruction is what Zionism has been seeking in its different reincarnations over the centuries

    http://takimag.com/article/the_kissinger_connection/print#axzz55z4vCEsF--The Kissinger Connection by Patrick Foy shows the calculated premeditated destruction of Iraq despite America's expressed wishes to avoid the debacle . Zio plan was enunciated by Yoded Plan in 1982, by PNAC in 1996 and by M Ledeen in "creative Destruction" There was no creation Only destruction and intentional.


    Follow the trajectory

    1 Bremer said that on 9 May Feith showed him a draft of an order for the
    ‘De-Baathification of Iraqi Society,’ and later that day he received his
    ‘marching orders’ in a final memo from Rumsfeld.
    9
    Feith said that the
    decision had been ‘worked and reworked in interagency meetings, and by
    early May it had interagency clearance’.
    10
    Once in Iraq, Bremer said that
    ‘The White House, DoD, and State all signed off on this’.
    11
    Despite Feith’s
    assertion that the decision had been cleared in an inter-agency process, the
    military had a distinctly different understanding of the policy and the CIA
    was not consulted.
    The military interpretation of the purge was that it would apply to the
    top
    two
    levels of the Baath party, those who were clearly leaders, which

    amounted to perhaps 6,000 people. But Bremer interpreted the de-
    Baathification policy to exclude the top
    four
    levels of the Baath Party as
    well as the top three levels in each government ministry.
    12
    This decision
    effectively eliminated the leadership and top technical capacity for
    universities, hospitals, transportation, electricity and communications


    Intelligence and National Security
    Vol. 25, No. 1, 76–85, February 2010

    http://pfiffner.gmu.edu/files/pdfs/Articles/CPA%20Orders,%20Iraq%20PDF.pdf
    2 Pfiffner wrote in the professional journal Intelligence and National Security in 2010. “When asked in 2006 by his biographer…about the decision, Bush replied ‘Well, the policy was to keep the army intact. Didn’t happen’.”- http://time.com/3900753/isis-iraq-syria-army-united-states-military/

    3
    “The collapse of the Roman Empire ushered in the rise of Ashkenazi Jewry. For the next 500 years Jews had a virtual monopoly on banking and credit. It allowed the formation of a Jewish elite of large scale bankers. Great Jewish merchant families accumulated the capital, commercial capability, and courage to engage in long distance trade. This trade was facilitated by a Jewish network along the shores of the Mediterranean, and into Asia. Jews were the great merchants of the early Middle Ages. They brought Jewels, perfumes, and spices, from around the Mediterranean, and from as far away as India: things the feudal aristocracy of Western Europe wanted "to make their crude lives a little more pleasant and beautiful."

    These Jewish merchants exported furs, swords, and lumber from the great forests of Europe. And slaves. Jews were very much involved in white slave traffic in the early Middle Ages. They provided credit instruments, bridge loans when great lords died (to allow settlement of estates); they funded armed conflict”

    Medieval historian Norman Cantor, from Manitoba, taught at Princeton, Columbia, Tel Aviv, Chicago and many other illustrious places.
    http://rolandnikles.blogspot.com/2017/12/medieval-jewry-in-western-europe.html
    , @grr
    Satire?
    , @Art
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel’s land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob

    The god of the Jews is a puny little one tribe guy – his has an image of being mean, vindictive, unforgiving, and dishonest. His image has brought thousands of years of losing to his little tribe. They practice what he preaches, suffering the consequences, gaining the hate of their neighbors. It is unbelievable, but the Jews cannot give up their mean tribal loser god.

    On the other hand, the image of the Christian God is hopeful, loving, forgiving, and universal. His image is slowly bringing a neighborliness to humanity.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. This negative Jew god persists because Jew elders terrorize their children at a very early stage in their thinking, limiting their options to live a better hopeful more peaceful life.
    , @JosephConrad
    You are like a Black person wearing wightening cream.
    Those who would call themselves Jews, Israelis, etc. are Ashkenazim from Khazakstan.
    Heavy Mafia like influence. Many came to Israel! Peacein Israel = Peace in M.E.
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  2. Who on earth would want Israel’s Jews? Certainly the U.S. is not obligated to take them! We’d be better off without the Jews we already have, Weiss definitely included. Why should Americans care about Zionist or anti-Zionist Jews? Neither group, Weiss included, gives a damn about us.

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    Yup. I can see a future in which they're back knocking on Europe's doors and asking for equal rights and citizenship based because of their human rights.

    At that point I really hope we tell them to go fuck themselves.
    , @Toby Keith
    Elon Musk is talking about travel to Mars, maybe he will be a latter day Moses.
    Maurice Samuel did say that (((they))) need a world of their own.
    , @windwaves
    omg!

    do you actually leave in the USA ? if so, how can you ask such questions ? this country is 100% owned by jews or, even worse, Israel firsties slaves.

    So, doors are always wide open for any of them to come here. They will kick you out if needed to make room for a jew. Sadly, there is no way around it.

    , @Wally
    "Siegman, a Holocaust survivor now in his late 80s,"

    Another of the gazillions of "survivors" which absolutely proves there was no 'holocaust' as alleged.

    Join in:
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are laughable, scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."
    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     
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  3. Malla says:

    The two state solution is an illusion,

    It was always meant to be an illusion.

    The peace process is a lie and a scam.

    That is how it was meant to be from the start.

    However I would go beyond that. Why did the Jews decide to rename Palestine as Israel and not Judah?

    Jews are the descendants of the enemies of the Kingdom of Israel, they are descendants of the historical Kingdom of Judah

    These are a series of videos below by a Jewish guy explaining how Jews are not descendants of the Kingdom of historical Israel but that of historical Judah who had fought wars with Israel in the past. A must Watch!!!!!

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    A must watch!!! Initially I thought it was a White version of the ‘We wuz Kangs’ phenomenon which plaques blacks, but after watching it I am quite convinced, brilliantly explained. Destroys Christian Zionism completely. They should rename their country Judah and stop throwing dust at the eyes of the people’s of the world.

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    However I would go beyond that. Why did the Jews decide to rename Palestine as Israel and not Judah?
     
    Excellent question, the answer to which would undoubtedly reveal some fundamental truths and it should be amusing to read the responses of the hasbara trolls.

    They should rename their country Judah and stop throwing dust at the eyes of the people’s of the world.
     
    The whole enterprise is based on BS, so there's no way they'd engage in anything as honest as you're suggesting, unfortunately.Also, the rest of the world seems to be seeing through their dust. Only they are blinded by it.
    , @Jake
    I haven't watched those videos and may not get around to them.

    Here is what is true about those issues. The one Kingdom of Israel split into two nations. Essentially, 9 tribes (and half of the tribe of Benjamin) made up the larger part of the split and kept the name Israel. The other two tribes and half of Benjamin took the name Judah, from the largest of the tribes, and the tribe of David, as well as the tribe from which the prophesied Messias/Christos would come. In addition to David's tribe and messianic prophecy, Judah had Jerusalem and thus the Temple.

    Because Judah had the Temple, the northern kingdom, which God specifically allowed to come to fruition essentially peacefully, began as religiously schismatic. As Mosaic religion requires the Temple, even devout Abraham/Moses religious Hebrews in Israel were cut off from the religion partly at first and then, after the construction of a non-religiously sanctioned new temple in Israel, totally.

    The people of Judah began calling the people of Israel Samaritans, after the capital, and damned the new temple and everything to do with it as not authorized by God and therefore heretical.

    When the Assyrians conquered Israel, the Judeans said it proved God's fury at the false temple. The Assyrians - true Semites - used a policy of ethnic destruction of those they conquered by castrating most males and forcing the conquered women to marry or be concubines for Assyrians or for men whose people had been pacified under Assyrian rule. Probably all Israelite men who were allowed to keep their testicles would have been forced to marry non-Israelite women.

    So, almost immediately upon being conquered, the people living in Israel/Samaria were made half-breeds. And that is what the Judeans began focusing on: the Samaritans were not racially pure.

    The Chaldean/Neo-Babylonians who conquered Judea much later transported almost all important Judeans eastward, but they did not force everyone to inter-breed with non-Judeans. So when Judeans were allowed to return to Judea by the Persians (who had conquered Babylon), they saw themselves as having been saved genetically, racially, by God, which proved that Samaritans, being all half-breeds at best, were evil and perhaps evil because of being half-breed.

    The Judeans purged mixed marriages among themselves and set a course of equating Jewish pure blood with any chance of being good before God.

    And God Incarnate made that utter perversion of the Law of Moses central to condemning the Pharisees.

    If not earlier, soon after the failure of the false messiah Simon bar Kokhba rebellion against Rome (ended 136 AD), the vast majority of Samaritans would have been Christian.

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  4. 1/ The Jewish population of Israel is about 8 times what it was in 1948. No doubt there were people predicting an exodus then too. And also over the almost 70 years since.

    2/ Apparently I’m the only one here who reads iSteve articles. Like this one:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/jewish-fertility-in-the-jewish-state-continues-to-soar/

    3/ ‘… Jewish liberals would not recognize Israel. ..’ The percentage of Jewish liberals who have not been to Israel/have no relatives or friends living in Israel is very small.

    4/ ‘…Its culture is shaped by the brutality of disenfranchising people on a racial basis…’ Doesn’t Phil Weiss repeatedly refer to Mizrachi Jews as ‘Arab Jews’. If Arabs brutalize Arabs are they doing it on a ‘racial basis’?

    5/ ‘… Siegman is a great leader…’ Doesn’t a leader need folowers? Who are they? What’s the name of the group?

    6/ Phil Weiss is over 60. Siegman is almost 90. Why is it that Unz.com keeps getting old men to write apocalyptic predictions? And not just on this subject. Is this some kind of weird brain problem I’ll have to deal with?

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    "The Jewish population of Israel is about 8 times what it was in 1948. No doubt there were people predicting an exodus then too. And also over the almost 70 years since."

    So much for the 'extermination of Jews' in the "holocau$t"?

    Jews simply poured out of Europe after WWII.
    www.codoh.com

    The '6,000,000 Jews' lie and the laughing Mexican:
    https://youtu.be/nxbV3RsyQwI
    , @anon
    Zionism has hurt the West ( Christianity and the Democracy ) much more than it has or will ever be able to hurt the ME . I am not including the money ( west ) or the deaths ( ME)
    , @anon

    Why is it that Unz.com keeps getting old men to write apocalyptic predictions?
     
    "Apocalyptic predictions" are Weiss's stock in trade. He's in competition with Bibi -- Weiss emotes breathlessly on the latest final solution as often as Bibi says Iran is 2 years away from Da Bomb.

    . Fish gotta swim ---

    PS Nobody wants the Jews today just like nobody wanted the Jews in 1933 when Brandeis & Jabotinsky scared them out of Germany.

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  5. turtle says:

    So, an Israeli Jew advocates putting Arabs in concentration camps?
    Mr. Israeli must be a great admirer of the late Heinrich Himmler.

    Nazis and AshkeNazis seem to be birds of a feather.
    We must now eagerly await the Final Solution to the Arab Question, to prevent those sand nigger parasites from “sucking from the state’s teats.”
    Vernichtung lebensunwerten Lebens, indeed.

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    Nazis and AshkeNazis
     
    Problem here. The most right wing population of Israel are the Arab looking Mizrahi Jews. It is Mizrahis who tend to support more ultra nationalist right winged parties though the leaders of these parties are more Ashkenazi while traditionally Ashkenazis (and probably Sephardis too) supported the more left winged parties which advocated a more kinder relationship with the Palestinians.
    , @Wally
    Yawn. Your propaganda is being exposed as we speak.
    You are relying upon 'garbage in, garbage out'. Your curiously beloved, but fake, '6M' is fraudulent & easily shown as such.
    And why do so many people want 6M Jews to be dead? Revisionists don't.
    Jews should be elated to know that 6M of their brethren were not murdered.

    "I owe my permission to submit the Zionist plan for the final solution of the Jewish Question."
    - 'Father of political Zionism' Theodor Herzl, letter to the Czar, November 22, 1899
     
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ridiculous 'holocaust' storyline is the message.
     
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  6. Vickpm says:

    Siegeman is right that the two state ‘solution’ is dead but his conclusions are foolish. Siegeman has been duped by the anti Netanyahu anti Zionist cult marxist clique that festers in the media and academic dens. They’ve been predicting the demise of the Zionist enterprise since before the establishment of the Jewish state. At the same time the emergence of an ‘enlightened’ arab polity would be helpful. An arab representative puppet state could be set up in Gaza and sign a peace treaty with Israel and eliminate irredentist arab elements and issue passports and house an arab legislature. Also acknowledge the right of Jews to settle anywhere in the historic Jewish homeland. A model to be followed would be what I call the other I-P problem that being India – Pakistan. Remember that India was partitioned into Hindu and muselmani states. India invaded and conquered East Pakistan withdrawing only after setting up a puppet state Bangladesh. That puppet was required to execute a 25 year treaty with India ending all hostilities against India and prohibiting relations with any country hostile to the Indians hegemony. The same should be required of any Arab entity/puppet that emerges in Gaza. Peace treaty with Israel and absolutely no relations with any country that is hostile to Israel. This should put an end to the anti Israel cult marx idea of an arab ‘Paleztine’.

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    I get the impression you'd be happy in Hindu fascist India of Mr. Modi.
    , @Alberto Campos
    Your plan is very good to use in your kitchen. For this issue there is something called UN and dozen of resolutions to be respected, followed, applied. You know, that same organisation that created that thing that now split ‘solutions’ aside from it.
    , @JosephConrad
    You are like a Black person wearing wightening cream.
    Those who would call themselves Jews, Israelis, etc. are Ashkenazim from Khazakstan.
    Heavy Mafia like influence. Many came to Israel! Peacein Israel = Peace in M.E.
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  7. RobinG says:

    ZIONISM IS BULLSHIT

    That’s the title of a book of Craig Murray’s essays and speeches.
    “Facebook took down ads for the book, claiming that they objected to the profanity, which is kind of funny because it is a word that appears quite often on Facebook. Later they claimed that the book was banned because the title denigrated a religion. Of course, Zionism is not a religion but a political movement. Many religious Jews do not support Zionism. If I don’t agree with a political position I should be able to say so as plainly as I wish.”

    Former British Ambassador Craig Murray discussed … Julian Assange, the alleged Russian election hack, Trump’s Israel embassy move … with Randy Credico and Dennis J Bernstein.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/31/former-ambassador-reflects-on-current-events/

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Zionism is on par with islam as a political system wrapped in a thin veil of religion. That obvious fact should be apparent to anyone viewing what has transpired in the Middle East since 1948.
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  8. ” I don’t understand why Siegman is not in all our leading papers and on the cable shows. The New York Times should be interviewing him; Chris Hayes should be hosting him. Because this is news. For the U.S. establishment it’s huge news. ”

    It is common knowledge that 80% of the western media are controlled by jews.
    Even the public, non commercial, ones, such as BBC and Dutch NOS.

    And it is not new(s):

    ” ‘Sharon does not believe in peace with Arabs’

    According to Jossi Beilin, one of the architects of the autonomy-agreement with the Palestinians, the Israeli offensive is a big mistake.

    From our correspondent.
    Salomon Bouman.
    Tel Aviv, 5 april.
    Jossi Beilin, one of the architects of the autonomy-agreement of Oslo between Israel and the PLO, has, despite the present offensive against the Palestinians, not lost his hope for peace. He is deeply convinced that Ariel Sharon’s second war against the Palestinians – the first one began in 1982 with the invasion in Lebanon – is a tragic mistake. Beilin, former Justice Minister and now parliament member for the Labor Party, predicted yesterday in his Tel Aviv office that the Israeli people will quickly realise this.
    ………………………. ”

    I stored the article in 2002
    Most of the jewish Israeli people still do not realise anything, as leading USA jews.

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    Weiss has been a part of the media for decades, and knows full well why certain ideas and people are given coverage while others are ignored.

    Weiss is more than just a bullshitter. Weiss is a Jewish supremacist bigot who believes that Jews have more power and advantages when they base their ethno-mafia and rackets outside of Israel. Sensitive intellectual act aside, I think it's just that simple.

    The ironic thing is that the U.S. and rest of the world would be much better off if Weiss and most of his co-ethnics, of all stripes, were fenced off in Israel.
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  9. True. You are right Mr. Weiss that Israel will not exist as a country for very long. Seventy years is a page in history.

    Unless, Mr. Abbas take the one billion offered by Mr. Netanyahu and makes his state in Gaza by calling it Palestine. Who knows.

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    "True. You are right Mr. Weiss that Israel will not exist as a country for very long. Seventy years is a page in history."

    But just think of the trillions of dollars that parasite Israel / Jews will have stolen from US taxpayers & everyone else in the meantime.
    No worries for them. The US will be / is the next 'Israel'.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel's Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    www.codoh.com

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  10. You might want to correct your link to Siegman’s article — at the moment it goes to the final page, not the first page.

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  11. Brabantian says: • Website

    From his lips to God’s ears

    Next year in Jerusalem, for all Palestinians

    And if the ‘progressive Western nations’ would start – as Germany abortively attempted the other year – to ban all child genital mutilation, i.e., circumcision

    What a wonderful world it would be

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  12. Malla says:
    @turtle
    So, an Israeli Jew advocates putting Arabs in concentration camps?
    Mr. Israeli must be a great admirer of the late Heinrich Himmler.

    Nazis and AshkeNazis seem to be birds of a feather.
    We must now eagerly await the Final Solution to the Arab Question, to prevent those sand nigger parasites from “sucking from the state’s teats.”
    Vernichtung lebensunwerten Lebens, indeed.

    Nazis and AshkeNazis

    Problem here. The most right wing population of Israel are the Arab looking Mizrahi Jews. It is Mizrahis who tend to support more ultra nationalist right winged parties though the leaders of these parties are more Ashkenazi while traditionally Ashkenazis (and probably Sephardis too) supported the more left winged parties which advocated a more kinder relationship with the Palestinians.

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  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This seems to be a troll and the picture of the sensitive jewish man shows what Israelis call “a beautiful soul.” Israelis are self-assured and glib, I ran into 2 selling Dead Sea salt lady’s lotions out of a stall in a shopping mall. After they do army service, the tradition is that the more venturesome of them do a trek – South America, Bali, wherever. Others trek to the US. Recently, on a bus, I heard a man baby-talking a baby on his lap. I turned around and asked if he was talking Hebrew. He said yes.

    What makes me think this is a troll is the prediction that Israelis will abandon their domicile willy-nilly because Palestinians.

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  14. Gret says:

    Having established the principle that the majority can impose on the minority the religious and cultural identity of the State, Israel will not be in a strong position to deny Palestinians that same right.

    The outcome is therefore likely to be the end of Israel as a Jewish state. If so, it will be an outcome brought about not by BDS movements but by Israelis themselves, not only because of their rejection of the two-state solution, but because of their insistence on defining Israel’s national identity and territorial claims in religious terms.

    Is the guy your typical delusional, quality-lacking liberal, who describes everything through equality, non-discrimination etc?

    I find it to be exactly the opposite. Israel maintains order through describing more specifically the character of the state. The truth is that you can’t have equality of cultures. One culture must be the leading one and it must be clear to those who live in the country, so they don’t get disappointed. By pointing out which culture is leading (in this case it’s jewish), you maintain hierarchy and order, which is simply very logical, because in every social “pyramid” there must be a top! Just like there can’t be 2 kings, there can’t be 2 leading cultures

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  15. Randal says:

    Speaking as someone who fundamentally disagrees with the premise underlying the arguments made against Israel here (that ethnic/racial nationalism cannot be a viable basis for a state), but who (unlike most jewish people and Christian judeophile fruitcakes, who dominate the media and political discussion of Israel in the US sphere media) has no ulterior brief for Israel, it is sad to see yet another case of nationalism brought low by greedy over-reach.

    The path not taken was that of Israel recognising the scale of its own victory and the degree of security it actually had, after the 1973 war. If it had chosen honest compromise based upon a two state solution around the 1967 borders, by now it just might have established itself as a stable entity. Instead it chose fake negotiations as a cover for ongoing occupation and expansion, and the maintenance via its US poodle of a corrupt collaboration regime, in the PA, instead of recognising and dealing with honest representatives of the Palestinians, however (understandably) hostile towards Israel.

    Greed and expansionary overreach is the besetting risk of nationalism, but it is not inevitable that a nation will fall to it. Israel is perhaps unfortunate in having had bad leadership at crucial times, and bad men egging on that bad leadership from dubious positions of power and divided loyalty in the US.

    It might have been different. The idea of establishing a settler colonial jewish nation in the ME was inherently a bad one, and its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars, but it could perhaps have been made to work with more wisdom and less greed.

    I don’t understand why Siegman is not in all our leading papers and on the cable shows.

    LOL! Good one!

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    its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars
     
    ROFLMAO
    , @AaronB

    Greed and expansionary overreach is the besetting risk of nationalism, but it is not inevitable that a nation will fall to it.
     
    Unfortunately, all nations do. Nationalism is a transitional state towards empire. It can never be stable.

    It is based on the principle of ego, which is inherently expansive.

    No Western political entity has ever been stable.

    Stable entities, like Egypt or China, are based on limiting ego. A completely different approach to the world.

    Modern diverse western states are riven by internal factions. Nationalism would transfer those internal ego fights to the outside world.

    Internal ego fights would become external ego fights.

    Many people think this would be an improvement over our current situation. We've lived in that would before.

    Our current situation was an attempt to escape that world - by turning ego fights internal. That created it's own problems, as we see.

    The West has been unable to conceive of politics as cooperative rather than competitive - it oscillates between internal competition between groups and factions, or internal unity for the purpose of competing on the world stage.

    But always, competition, dialectics, tension.

    It is a nice dream, that we can limit ego to "just the right amount". But ego has its own momentum. Ego must be externally limited. We cannot count on it stopping at just the right moment.

    Nationalism may be one element, but a state cannot be "based" on it, and no stable state has.

    Maybe it's time to look beyond.

    But, we probably won't, because the West has lost its creativity, and can only shuffle between a limited menu of options that have become fossilized.

    Such is the senility of a civilization.
    , @wrd9
    "The idea of establishing a settler colonial jewish nation in the ME was inherently a bad one, and its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars,..."

    That comment is sheer stupidity.

    I don't begrudge Israel any land. Muslims have massacred and persecuted Jews/Christians and others for centuries. Given that history and what the Ottoman Turks did to over 3 million Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians, the Palestinians and other Muslims should STFU. Payback is a bitch. Palestinians should have been absorbed long ago into the surrounding Muslim countries. Allowing Palestinians into Israel would only lead to another Lebanese type civil war. Muslims can't be trusted in any capacity.
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  16. I don’t understand why Siegman is not in all our leading papers and on the cable shows.

    I understand why.

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  17. iffen says:
    @Randal
    Speaking as someone who fundamentally disagrees with the premise underlying the arguments made against Israel here (that ethnic/racial nationalism cannot be a viable basis for a state), but who (unlike most jewish people and Christian judeophile fruitcakes, who dominate the media and political discussion of Israel in the US sphere media) has no ulterior brief for Israel, it is sad to see yet another case of nationalism brought low by greedy over-reach.

    The path not taken was that of Israel recognising the scale of its own victory and the degree of security it actually had, after the 1973 war. If it had chosen honest compromise based upon a two state solution around the 1967 borders, by now it just might have established itself as a stable entity. Instead it chose fake negotiations as a cover for ongoing occupation and expansion, and the maintenance via its US poodle of a corrupt collaboration regime, in the PA, instead of recognising and dealing with honest representatives of the Palestinians, however (understandably) hostile towards Israel.

    Greed and expansionary overreach is the besetting risk of nationalism, but it is not inevitable that a nation will fall to it. Israel is perhaps unfortunate in having had bad leadership at crucial times, and bad men egging on that bad leadership from dubious positions of power and divided loyalty in the US.

    It might have been different. The idea of establishing a settler colonial jewish nation in the ME was inherently a bad one, and its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars, but it could perhaps have been made to work with more wisdom and less greed.

    I don’t understand why Siegman is not in all our leading papers and on the cable shows.
     
    LOL! Good one!

    its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars

    ROFLMAO

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    Christian judeophile fruitcakes not expected to agree, for obvious reasons.
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  18. He is also a prophet inasmuch as he is counseling American Jewry to give up its attachment to Zionism as a dead letter, no different from a Christian state here, and so prepare itself for a future in which Israel is isolated as a pariah state and there is a “significant exodus of Israel’s Jews.”

    What I don’t understand is the alleged attachment of American Jews to the Zio-gangster state of Israel, and why it’s taking so long for it to be recognized as a pariah state that should have been isolated decades ago, if allowed to gain ground at all.

    I believe Uri Avnery is also predicting the demise of the criminal state and I hope he’s correct as well.

    Another fine article from Weiss, and I hope the predictions come true sooner rather than later, but I hope the Zion-nuts just dry up and blow away since there are already too many of them in the US and we don’t need any more of that type of immigrant, legal or illegal. We don’t need their money either, and may I suggest they stick it where the sun don’t shine?

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    I think about a million Israelis live as permanent residents of the US. That’s about 1/5 of the Israeli population.


    One reason American Jews are so devoted to Israel is the relentless propaganda of the Jewish community publications A typical Jewish community newspaper is 45 percent holocausr, 45 percent Israel and 10 percent community news.

    The holocaust articles reinforce that Jews must have their own nation as a refuge next time Hitler rises from the dead and starts another holocaust.
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  19. Randal says:
    @iffen

    its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars
     
    ROFLMAO

    Christian judeophile fruitcakes not expected to agree, for obvious reasons.

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    Most English speaking Evangelicals would at least warn that the US not backing the nation of Israel to the death will mean that God will curse the US. Many Evangelicals, true spiritual children and heirs of the Puritans and therefore quintessential WASPs, would be happy to use violence to force the US to use nukes to save the nation of Israel.
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  20. JNDillard says:

    1) Sometime this year Palestine will go to the UN Security Council and get a vote on statehood, which will be vetoed by the US. To its embarrassment and intense anger, the US will have no supporters, just like the vote on the move of its embassy to Jerusalem; 2) Palestine will then take its claim to statehood to the UN General Assembly, where it will be overwhelmingly passed, and Palestine will then have full rights as a state to take its claims of victimization by Israel to the World Court; 3) It will do so; 4) Outraged, the US and Israel will attempt to strike out, the US by further sanctioning and cutting off funds to the Palestine Authority, Palestinians in various refugee camps throughout the ME administered by the UN (in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc.) (Unlike various fear mongers, I view the threat of war with Iran or Russia highly unlikely because a) those states are not going to instigate it; b) the world now is hypersensitive to both false flags and color revolutions; and c) the militaries of the US and Israel both know they cannot and will not win such wars against such opponents. There is much data to document that conclusion); 5) this will radicalize Jordan in particular because it will fear uprisings from its huge Palestinian population who no longer will have basic survival needs met. In addition, the decades old bargain will have been broken: “I will police Palestinians for Israel and ignore apartheid if you bribe me sufficiently;” 6) looking for new funding sources, Palestine and Jordan will turn to the East Asian Economic Union (Russia and China and Iran, etc.) and possibly even the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a military/mutual security organization, among other things (Russia, China, Iran, etc.); 7) this will give Palestine the economic security, through association with One Belt One Road, and Chinese financing, to press for a one-state solution, which really is the only current possibility anyway, since the two state solution has been exposed as the ruse it always was: 8) International mediation will be headed by Russia, which will be a nightmare for Israel, because Putin is on record as an enforcer of all UN resolutions regarding Palestine/Israel; 9) the Palestinians will offer the Israelis generous terms: you keep your property and presence, we get the right of return and you pay us rent; 10) the Israelis, outraged, will refuse; 11) at some point, if the Israelis don’t exercise their “Sampson Option” and blow the world up first,  the International Court of Justice will force a settlement, which will mean that those Jews who don’t decide to emigrate will remain in Palestine, but as a demographic minority within a democratic state with a Moslem majority. Once they get used to the reality that maybe they aren’t so exceptional after all, and that other humans have rights too, they will find it is not bad, just as centuries and centuries and centuries of Jews have found out before, about living in majority Islamic countries. However, this new arrangement will be much better, because the behavior of the majority Moslems will be subject to International Law, which it never was before. It will take 20-30 years for this scenario to play out, but that is comparatively short compared to the 70-100 years of violation of International law by Jews in Palestine, depending on how you want to look at it. And at some point the US, following the EU, will have to buy in to “One Belt One Road,” because it has already won the contest for superior economic model on the international stage. Follow the money. This is a very good thing, because it means the end of empire and the movement to a multi-polar world, and the dampening down of virulent strains of tribalism and exceptionalism.

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    An interesting story.

    I don't think it will happen, but even if it did, there are outstanding issues, while any international collective, religiously 'negative sum gain' gaming the overall system is allowed to exist!

    In particular, the postulation of "... Jews who don’t decide to emigrate will remain in Palestine, but as a demographic minority within a democratic state with a Moslem majority. Once they get used to the reality that maybe they aren’t so exceptional after all, and that other humans have rights too, they will find it is not bad, just as centuries and centuries and centuries of Jews have found out before, about living in majority Islamic countries. However, this new arrangement will be much better, because the behavior of the majority Moslems will be subject to International Law, which it never was before."

    Never!
     
    in the history of the Torah-Talmud followers have they EVER got "used to" this "reality that maybe they aren't so exceptional after all, and that other humans have rights too...".
    To do this would be tantamount to abandoning their self-identified identity, i.e. judaism, jews; so they would really be jews no more.

    Furthermore, outside of the zionist occupied Palestinian territory, there would still be the issue of the collective in the entire world, 'negative sum gain' gaming the entire world, and the trend in these circumstances is condemningly clear, destruction, through internal collapse of the host societal bodies; as prime evidence in our current day, please objectively witness the badly infected U.S.A., and the public collapse it is undergoing as I write!

    No, this problem of the destruction of civilizations, exactly as a virus cannot sustain itself outside of a host organism, will only be resolved when the 'religion', actually a political manifesto for complete domination, is eradicated for the inherent anti-social, destructive nature that it embodies, and it's ultimate unsustainability on our beautiful little island planet.
     
    Every responsible citizen of the planet should educate themselves about the history and trends of this anti-social creed. I strongly recommend starting with "The Controversy of Zion" by Douglas Reed, which can be obtained by an internet search using this information; please take care to protect your identity when you do this, for they are certainly watching and taking note.

    post scriptum: the concept of 'race' is utterly ridiculous in any meaningful consideration of life time behavioural traits let alone as a justification of extra rights and entitlement; be very, very prejudiced against anybody or group propounding their 'specialness' to justify their extra rights and exemptions from responsibilities.
    , @RobinG
    Nice, but I don't think it will take as long as you suggest.
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  21. Export all Palestinians to Syria.There were many people killed there.
    Export all Negroids to Africa.
    Export all Jews to Israel.
    ………………………………………………………………………………

    And the world will live in peace.

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  22. Renoman says:

    If the truth were told 98% of Americans would vote to completely abandon the State of Israel, they have brought America nothing but misery and seem hell bent on destroying the World.

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  23. @Malla

    The two state solution is an illusion,
     
    It was always meant to be an illusion.

    The peace process is a lie and a scam.
     
    That is how it was meant to be from the start.

    However I would go beyond that. Why did the Jews decide to rename Palestine as Israel and not Judah?

    Jews are the descendants of the enemies of the Kingdom of Israel, they are descendants of the historical Kingdom of Judah
     
    These are a series of videos below by a Jewish guy explaining how Jews are not descendants of the Kingdom of historical Israel but that of historical Judah who had fought wars with Israel in the past. A must Watch!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzkC1NnMIo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI5x5UktXGE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49vMISVTlA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPxH6ODJoiI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KriambOrj6U

    A must watch!!! Initially I thought it was a White version of the 'We wuz Kangs' phenomenon which plaques blacks, but after watching it I am quite convinced, brilliantly explained. Destroys Christian Zionism completely. They should rename their country Judah and stop throwing dust at the eyes of the people's of the world.

    However I would go beyond that. Why did the Jews decide to rename Palestine as Israel and not Judah?

    Excellent question, the answer to which would undoubtedly reveal some fundamental truths and it should be amusing to read the responses of the hasbara trolls.

    They should rename their country Judah and stop throwing dust at the eyes of the people’s of the world.

    The whole enterprise is based on BS, so there’s no way they’d engage in anything as honest as you’re suggesting, unfortunately.Also, the rest of the world seems to be seeing through their dust. Only they are blinded by it.

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    It’s named Israel because of “ Hear o Israel the lord thy God is one” That’s their basic prayer and the essence of the Jewish religion.

    And why shouldn’t the zionists pick their own name for their own state?

    Judea is a name Christian bible thumpers prefer. What business is it of theirs? Better they pay attention to the Christian bible instead of wallowing in the porn, violence and massacres of the Hebrew bible.
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  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Who on earth would want Israel's Jews? Certainly the U.S. is not obligated to take them! We'd be better off without the Jews we already have, Weiss definitely included. Why should Americans care about Zionist or anti-Zionist Jews? Neither group, Weiss included, gives a damn about us.

    Yup. I can see a future in which they’re back knocking on Europe’s doors and asking for equal rights and citizenship based because of their human rights.

    At that point I really hope we tell them to go fuck themselves.

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  25. @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    Jehovah is an imaginary demon.

    He’s not going to protect the Jews in the future any more than he helped them when the righteous German rage showed them who’s boss if it’s a race of workers vs a race of traders and moneylenders.

    I’m sure glad Austrians purged my native Slovenia of the Jewish plague. So praise Jehovah for that, at least.

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  26. This is God’s original land grant to Abraham and his descendants. Everyone who lives in this area needs to leave by their own volition or when Messiah returns He is going to kick them out face-to-face as only God can. Today in 2018 if the Hebrew’s want that land back, the Knesset must recognize Jesus Christ as their Messiah and then God will move the hearts of those gentiles to leave to other places and He will return to take up His throne. But the Hebs are in open rebellion and they are relegated to a postage stamp sized piece of land and Jerusalem will continue to be a Cup of Trembling (Zechariah 12:2). This is primarily the Jews fault, but their cousins from Ishmael aren’t making this any easier.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=god%27s+original+land+grant+to+abraham&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjo3avuqYfZAhXSzlkKHb2WBW0Q_AUICygC&biw=919&bih=212&dpr=1.5#imgrc=2yVVKnHz77ERTM:

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  27. @OilcanFloyd
    Who on earth would want Israel's Jews? Certainly the U.S. is not obligated to take them! We'd be better off without the Jews we already have, Weiss definitely included. Why should Americans care about Zionist or anti-Zionist Jews? Neither group, Weiss included, gives a damn about us.

    Elon Musk is talking about travel to Mars, maybe he will be a latter day Moses.
    Maurice Samuel did say that (((they))) need a world of their own.

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  28. RobinG says:
    @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    Why are you here? Zionism is bullshit.

    “….we know that 3,000 years ago the Celtic people resided in places like present-day Switzerland. Just because 3,000 years ago some people believed that God gave Jerusalem specifically to the Jewish people, that doesn’t mean that you ignore the next 3,000 years and the place should become the capital of Israel based on biblical references. The idea that the rights of the Palestinian people can be ignored because of religious text written down thousands of years ago is absolutely ludicrous.” CRAIG MURRAY

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/31/former-ambassador-reflects-on-current-events/

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    I used to think lie that, but then remembered that I approve of the reconquest of Spain and would rejoice if Constantinople was reurned to the Christians
    , @Alden
    If the European Jews have the right to take over Israel because their remote ancestors lived their 3,000 years ago, the the American Indians have the right to kick all peoples who came here after 1500.

    So the Whites can go back to Europe and dispossesse them. The blacks can go back to Africa and dispossesse them. The light skinned blacks can get involved in century long International court hearing about whether they are entitled to go back to Europe or Africa.
    , @Z-man
    Yes.
    However the argument the former ambassador and his interviewers make about South Africa is wrong. Most of the black south Africans were imported into the southern areas. So the argument comparing them with the Palestinians is 'apples to oranges', or Arabs to 'U-bangies'. (Grin)
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  29. Moi says:
    @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    God is NOT in the real estate business–other than as the Creator of all things.

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  30. @jilles dykstra
    " I don’t understand why Siegman is not in all our leading papers and on the cable shows. The New York Times should be interviewing him; Chris Hayes should be hosting him. Because this is news. For the U.S. establishment it’s huge news. "

    It is common knowledge that 80% of the western media are controlled by jews.
    Even the public, non commercial, ones, such as BBC and Dutch NOS.

    And it is not new(s):

    " ‘Sharon does not believe in peace with Arabs’

    According to Jossi Beilin, one of the architects of the autonomy-agreement with the Palestinians, the Israeli offensive is a big mistake.

    From our correspondent.
    Salomon Bouman.
    Tel Aviv, 5 april.
    Jossi Beilin, one of the architects of the autonomy-agreement of Oslo between Israel and the PLO, has, despite the present offensive against the Palestinians, not lost his hope for peace. He is deeply convinced that Ariel Sharon’s second war against the Palestinians – the first one began in 1982 with the invasion in Lebanon – is a tragic mistake. Beilin, former Justice Minister and now parliament member for the Labor Party, predicted yesterday in his Tel Aviv office that the Israeli people will quickly realise this.
    ............................ "

    I stored the article in 2002
    Most of the jewish Israeli people still do not realise anything, as leading USA jews.

    Weiss has been a part of the media for decades, and knows full well why certain ideas and people are given coverage while others are ignored.

    Weiss is more than just a bullshitter. Weiss is a Jewish supremacist bigot who believes that Jews have more power and advantages when they base their ethno-mafia and rackets outside of Israel. Sensitive intellectual act aside, I think it’s just that simple.

    The ironic thing is that the U.S. and rest of the world would be much better off if Weiss and most of his co-ethnics, of all stripes, were fenced off in Israel.

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    http://mondoweiss.net/2006/05/my_jewish_probl-2/

    My Jewish Problem: Jewish Superiority, Jewish Elite

    ''My friend said he was a secular Jew and asked me how I define myself. An assimilating Jew, I said. Shortly after that, his friend said, I don’t know what an assimilating Jew is, and walked away.

    My friend is more intellectual. He said, What do you think will be lost if Jews assimilate into America? He answered his own question: the excellence that Jews have brought to any number of endeavors, science, the arts, finance, education, and so forth.

    I said, But what if these qualities are more widely shared with assimilation? Will our excellence pull up others’ mediocrity?

    He said, I think those qualities will be diluted. I.e., lost.''

    >>>>>>>>>>>

    rotflmao.....

    No Phil.....your ''will our excellence pull up others’ mediocrity?''.....has already been answered...it has actually diluted the gentile excellence.
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  31. DaveE says:

    Oh, those noble Jews! One-hundred years of dirty deals, cold-blooded murder, terrorism, ethnic cleansing by several armies, broken promises, lies and false-flag attacks of the most brutal nature…….

    …… then FINALLY, a voice from the Jewish wilderness cries out, “Enough!”

    Yeah, my a$$. This is nothing but a prime example of what Noam Chomsky calls, “the standard Jewish tactic of appearing to switch sides, last minute, to avoid being blamed”.

    If there’s any good news in this, it’s that MAYBE these cowardly child-killers have good reason to be nervous.

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    DaveE, as someone who has already chortled through about 200 rants you have written (going back to your bogus lawsuit in Seattle; is it true that you settled for 3 magic beans, Mr. Ellis?) I implore you to not give up on what you were meant to do. They miss the hell out of you at VeteransToday, where the newer crop of commenters is even more hopeless and mentally deranged than the 2012-13 group you hung out. Go back and show them the way! You can do it! You make me laugh, by the way.
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  32. Moi says:
    @Vickpm
    Siegeman is right that the two state 'solution' is dead but his conclusions are foolish. Siegeman has been duped by the anti Netanyahu anti Zionist cult marxist clique that festers in the media and academic dens. They've been predicting the demise of the Zionist enterprise since before the establishment of the Jewish state. At the same time the emergence of an 'enlightened' arab polity would be helpful. An arab representative puppet state could be set up in Gaza and sign a peace treaty with Israel and eliminate irredentist arab elements and issue passports and house an arab legislature. Also acknowledge the right of Jews to settle anywhere in the historic Jewish homeland. A model to be followed would be what I call the other I-P problem that being India - Pakistan. Remember that India was partitioned into Hindu and muselmani states. India invaded and conquered East Pakistan withdrawing only after setting up a puppet state Bangladesh. That puppet was required to execute a 25 year treaty with India ending all hostilities against India and prohibiting relations with any country hostile to the Indians hegemony. The same should be required of any Arab entity/puppet that emerges in Gaza. Peace treaty with Israel and absolutely no relations with any country that is hostile to Israel. This should put an end to the anti Israel cult marx idea of an arab 'Paleztine'.

    I get the impression you’d be happy in Hindu fascist India of Mr. Modi.

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  33. @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    If not in Jordan, then in the Sinai desert, if you wish. But what is to be done with those bloodthirsty Turks and the magnificent Persians presently amassing in Syria? Israel needs her diaspora patriots, such as you are, and the sooner you find your way there, the better for her survival.

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  34. utu says:

    Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said not long ago that in 10 years there would be no more Israel. (2012)

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-has-our-expiration-date-arrived-1.5177965

    Operation Shylock: A Confession (1993)
    To prevent a second Holocaust, get the Jews out of Palestine. The European Jews should leave Israel and return to their homes in the Diaspora. Pipik dreams of the day the Jews return on a train to Warsaw and resettle Poland. This is the way, he argues, the Jews can take hold of their place in the world’s culture again. After all, during the Diaspora, Jewish art and culture flourished Now, what have the Jews in Israel produced?

    Roth’s “confession” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Shylock
    In March 1993, he maintained the veracity of his novel to The New York Times’ Esther B. Fein: “‘Operation Shylock,’ Roth insists with a post-modern straight face, is a ‘confession,’ not a novel, and he means for us to take this every bit as seriously as the contents labels demanded by the strictures of the Food and Drug Administration. ‘The book is true,’ Roth said the other day. ‘As you know, at the end of the book a Mossad operative made me realize it was in my interest to say this book was fiction. And I became quite convinced that it was in my interest to do that. So I added the note to the reader as I was asked to do. I’m just a good Mossadnik.’”

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  35. The Zionists in Israel are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, there is a holocaust going on in Palestine and the Zionist are the perpetrators of it.

    Israel is an apartheid country and a disgrace to humanity with their backing of terrorists and their policy of genocide against the people of Palestine.

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    Yes, except for the whole lack of genocide thing, it could be said to be similar.

    Anyway, I thought the official position around here was that the Holocaust was a hoax anyway, or at a minimum greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes. So I suppose if what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is "just like" (tm) the Holocaust, then it must be nothing bad.
    , @jacques sheete

    The Zionists in Israel are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto...
     
    The Zionists in Israel are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis are said to have done to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.

    Since the "eternal victim " crowd has long been at the forefront of mendacity, exaggeration, hysteria, subterfuge, perversion, theft and murder, I no longer take any claims they make at face value. All that they accuse others of is projection and the droolings of hysterical paranoid narcissist infants until proven otherwise.

    Besides, if the bankster backed Bolshies hadn't been raising Hell all over the world for decades, Nazis would never have happened, and if New York Jews hadn't declared war on Germany including an economic boycott, and if Jews hadn't separated themselves into ghettos (for the "purity" of their race), any attack on the Warsaw ghetto would likely not have occurred.

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  36. biz says:

    democracy-loving Palestinians like Ali Abunimah and Omar Barghouti and Linda Sarsour.

    Haha, yes Linda Sarsour, who praises the Saudi Regime and told an FGM victim that she should have her vagina ripped out. The fact that she is what is available to pass for a “democracy-loving Palestinian” pretty much sums up the profound intellectual and ethical illegitimacy of the anti-Israel internet.

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  37. windwaves says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Who on earth would want Israel's Jews? Certainly the U.S. is not obligated to take them! We'd be better off without the Jews we already have, Weiss definitely included. Why should Americans care about Zionist or anti-Zionist Jews? Neither group, Weiss included, gives a damn about us.

    omg!

    do you actually leave in the USA ? if so, how can you ask such questions ? this country is 100% owned by jews or, even worse, Israel firsties slaves.

    So, doors are always wide open for any of them to come here. They will kick you out if needed to make room for a jew. Sadly, there is no way around it.

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    Dream on Windwaves. Jews are definitely trying to destroy the U.S. for whites, who are the colonizers, founders, and builders of the nation, but Jewish power will prove limited, as it always does. You are right that many Jews likely believe that it is them against us, and they are ahead of the curve in such thinking, since that's their agenda. When that sinks in to everyone else to the point that discussing the issue is easy, where will Jews be then? Will blacks and Latinos be able or willing to save them?
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  38. @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    The Zionist enterprise is likely on a path of doom, of their own making.
    Unfortunately, many (comparatively*) good people will be disproportionately targeted because of the ongoing crimes against humanity being committed continually by the zionist leadership of gangsters.

    * comparatively
    any person ascribing to and in any way, supporting an ideology of separation and domination of all humankind, recognizing out-group people as ‘beastial’ and ‘only looking like ‘humans’ to better serve ‘the chosen people’ are collaborators, even if only in a small way.
    All people should recognize the inherent anti-social imperative of this Torah-Talmud ideology, those self-recognizing as ‘jew’ should publicly and definitely renounce this ideology and move on with the rest, and as part of humanity.

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  39. @windwaves
    omg!

    do you actually leave in the USA ? if so, how can you ask such questions ? this country is 100% owned by jews or, even worse, Israel firsties slaves.

    So, doors are always wide open for any of them to come here. They will kick you out if needed to make room for a jew. Sadly, there is no way around it.

    Dream on Windwaves. Jews are definitely trying to destroy the U.S. for whites, who are the colonizers, founders, and builders of the nation, but Jewish power will prove limited, as it always does. You are right that many Jews likely believe that it is them against us, and they are ahead of the curve in such thinking, since that’s their agenda. When that sinks in to everyone else to the point that discussing the issue is easy, where will Jews be then? Will blacks and Latinos be able or willing to save them?

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    I don't think I am dreaming, really stating facts from which I find it hard we can escape.

    I however strongly feel you are dreaming: "When that sinks in to everyone else to the point that discussing the issue is easy"; I have no idea why that would happen, how it would happen and clearly "when" it would happen. I certainly would love to hope so and the sooner the better but I have no evidence we are getting there. Strangled by jew control and even worse Israel first fake americans, I see zero progress.
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  40. AaronB says:
    @Randal
    Speaking as someone who fundamentally disagrees with the premise underlying the arguments made against Israel here (that ethnic/racial nationalism cannot be a viable basis for a state), but who (unlike most jewish people and Christian judeophile fruitcakes, who dominate the media and political discussion of Israel in the US sphere media) has no ulterior brief for Israel, it is sad to see yet another case of nationalism brought low by greedy over-reach.

    The path not taken was that of Israel recognising the scale of its own victory and the degree of security it actually had, after the 1973 war. If it had chosen honest compromise based upon a two state solution around the 1967 borders, by now it just might have established itself as a stable entity. Instead it chose fake negotiations as a cover for ongoing occupation and expansion, and the maintenance via its US poodle of a corrupt collaboration regime, in the PA, instead of recognising and dealing with honest representatives of the Palestinians, however (understandably) hostile towards Israel.

    Greed and expansionary overreach is the besetting risk of nationalism, but it is not inevitable that a nation will fall to it. Israel is perhaps unfortunate in having had bad leadership at crucial times, and bad men egging on that bad leadership from dubious positions of power and divided loyalty in the US.

    It might have been different. The idea of establishing a settler colonial jewish nation in the ME was inherently a bad one, and its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars, but it could perhaps have been made to work with more wisdom and less greed.

    I don’t understand why Siegman is not in all our leading papers and on the cable shows.
     
    LOL! Good one!

    Greed and expansionary overreach is the besetting risk of nationalism, but it is not inevitable that a nation will fall to it.

    Unfortunately, all nations do. Nationalism is a transitional state towards empire. It can never be stable.

    It is based on the principle of ego, which is inherently expansive.

    No Western political entity has ever been stable.

    Stable entities, like Egypt or China, are based on limiting ego. A completely different approach to the world.

    Modern diverse western states are riven by internal factions. Nationalism would transfer those internal ego fights to the outside world.

    Internal ego fights would become external ego fights.

    Many people think this would be an improvement over our current situation. We’ve lived in that would before.

    Our current situation was an attempt to escape that world – by turning ego fights internal. That created it’s own problems, as we see.

    The West has been unable to conceive of politics as cooperative rather than competitive – it oscillates between internal competition between groups and factions, or internal unity for the purpose of competing on the world stage.

    But always, competition, dialectics, tension.

    It is a nice dream, that we can limit ego to “just the right amount”. But ego has its own momentum. Ego must be externally limited. We cannot count on it stopping at just the right moment.

    Nationalism may be one element, but a state cannot be “based” on it, and no stable state has.

    Maybe it’s time to look beyond.

    But, we probably won’t, because the West has lost its creativity, and can only shuffle between a limited menu of options that have become fossilized.

    Such is the senility of a civilization.

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  41. Jake says:

    Jews leaving Israel because Palestinians get full rights and are the majority will arrive in Europe and the Anglosphere with at least double the old hatred for white Gentiles, because they will blame white Gentiles for not saving Israel as a Jewish state for Jews, with endless funding from Uncle Sam.

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    By striving greedily and arrogantly for Eretz Israel, the Jewish supremacists have destroyed their natural allies -- the tolerant and multidenominational Libya and Syria. The story of 4 million victims of ziocon project in the Middle East is going to haunt Jewry worldwide, on a top of the finally known story of the Jewish Bolshevism and genocide of Russians. The myth of eternal victimhood is dissolving into a dirty puddle, whereas a story of the bloody opportunistic Esther emerges as a logo for the “chosen.”

    Eretz Israel: "from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates", comprising all of modern-day Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, as well as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E, Oman, Yemen, most of Turkey, and all the land east of the Nile river." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
    Oded Yinon plan: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33220.htm and its consequences: https://muslimvillage.com/2014/08/13/56742/the-yinon-plan-greater-israel-syria-iraq-and-isis/

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  42. @JNDillard
    1) Sometime this year Palestine will go to the UN Security Council and get a vote on statehood, which will be vetoed by the US. To its embarrassment and intense anger, the US will have no supporters, just like the vote on the move of its embassy to Jerusalem; 2) Palestine will then take its claim to statehood to the UN General Assembly, where it will be overwhelmingly passed, and Palestine will then have full rights as a state to take its claims of victimization by Israel to the World Court; 3) It will do so; 4) Outraged, the US and Israel will attempt to strike out, the US by further sanctioning and cutting off funds to the Palestine Authority, Palestinians in various refugee camps throughout the ME administered by the UN (in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc.) (Unlike various fear mongers, I view the threat of war with Iran or Russia highly unlikely because a) those states are not going to instigate it; b) the world now is hypersensitive to both false flags and color revolutions; and c) the militaries of the US and Israel both know they cannot and will not win such wars against such opponents. There is much data to document that conclusion); 5) this will radicalize Jordan in particular because it will fear uprisings from its huge Palestinian population who no longer will have basic survival needs met. In addition, the decades old bargain will have been broken: "I will police Palestinians for Israel and ignore apartheid if you bribe me sufficiently;" 6) looking for new funding sources, Palestine and Jordan will turn to the East Asian Economic Union (Russia and China and Iran, etc.) and possibly even the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a military/mutual security organization, among other things (Russia, China, Iran, etc.); 7) this will give Palestine the economic security, through association with One Belt One Road, and Chinese financing, to press for a one-state solution, which really is the only current possibility anyway, since the two state solution has been exposed as the ruse it always was: 8) International mediation will be headed by Russia, which will be a nightmare for Israel, because Putin is on record as an enforcer of all UN resolutions regarding Palestine/Israel; 9) the Palestinians will offer the Israelis generous terms: you keep your property and presence, we get the right of return and you pay us rent; 10) the Israelis, outraged, will refuse; 11) at some point, if the Israelis don't exercise their "Sampson Option" and blow the world up first,  the International Court of Justice will force a settlement, which will mean that those Jews who don't decide to emigrate will remain in Palestine, but as a demographic minority within a democratic state with a Moslem majority. Once they get used to the reality that maybe they aren't so exceptional after all, and that other humans have rights too, they will find it is not bad, just as centuries and centuries and centuries of Jews have found out before, about living in majority Islamic countries. However, this new arrangement will be much better, because the behavior of the majority Moslems will be subject to International Law, which it never was before. It will take 20-30 years for this scenario to play out, but that is comparatively short compared to the 70-100 years of violation of International law by Jews in Palestine, depending on how you want to look at it. And at some point the US, following the EU, will have to buy in to "One Belt One Road," because it has already won the contest for superior economic model on the international stage. Follow the money. This is a very good thing, because it means the end of empire and the movement to a multi-polar world, and the dampening down of virulent strains of tribalism and exceptionalism.

    An interesting story.

    I don’t think it will happen, but even if it did, there are outstanding issues, while any international collective, religiously ‘negative sum gain’ gaming the overall system is allowed to exist!

    In particular, the postulation of “… Jews who don’t decide to emigrate will remain in Palestine, but as a demographic minority within a democratic state with a Moslem majority. Once they get used to the reality that maybe they aren’t so exceptional after all, and that other humans have rights too, they will find it is not bad, just as centuries and centuries and centuries of Jews have found out before, about living in majority Islamic countries. However, this new arrangement will be much better, because the behavior of the majority Moslems will be subject to International Law, which it never was before.

    Never!

    in the history of the Torah-Talmud followers have they EVER got “used to” this “reality that maybe they aren’t so exceptional after all, and that other humans have rights too…“.
    To do this would be tantamount to abandoning their self-identified identity, i.e. judaism, jews; so they would really be jews no more.

    Furthermore, outside of the zionist occupied Palestinian territory, there would still be the issue of the collective in the entire world, ‘negative sum gain‘ gaming the entire world, and the trend in these circumstances is condemningly clear, destruction, through internal collapse of the host societal bodies; as prime evidence in our current day, please objectively witness the badly infected U.S.A., and the public collapse it is undergoing as I write!

    No, this problem of the destruction of civilizations, exactly as a virus cannot sustain itself outside of a host organism, will only be resolved when the ‘religion’, actually a political manifesto for complete domination, is eradicated for the inherent anti-social, destructive nature that it embodies, and it’s ultimate unsustainability on our beautiful little island planet.

    Every responsible citizen of the planet should educate themselves about the history and trends of this anti-social creed. I strongly recommend starting with “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed, which can be obtained by an internet search using this information; please take care to protect your identity when you do this, for they are certainly watching and taking note.

    post scriptum: the concept of ‘race’ is utterly ridiculous in any meaningful consideration of life time behavioural traits let alone as a justification of extra rights and entitlement; be very, very prejudiced against anybody or group propounding their ‘specialness’ to justify their extra rights and exemptions from responsibilities.

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  43. Jake says:
    @Randal
    Christian judeophile fruitcakes not expected to agree, for obvious reasons.

    Most English speaking Evangelicals would at least warn that the US not backing the nation of Israel to the death will mean that God will curse the US. Many Evangelicals, true spiritual children and heirs of the Puritans and therefore quintessential WASPs, would be happy to use violence to force the US to use nukes to save the nation of Israel.

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  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG
    Why are you here? Zionism is bullshit.

    "....we know that 3,000 years ago the Celtic people resided in places like present-day Switzerland. Just because 3,000 years ago some people believed that God gave Jerusalem specifically to the Jewish people, that doesn’t mean that you ignore the next 3,000 years and the place should become the capital of Israel based on biblical references. The idea that the rights of the Palestinian people can be ignored because of religious text written down thousands of years ago is absolutely ludicrous." CRAIG MURRAY
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/31/former-ambassador-reflects-on-current-events/

    I used to think lie that, but then remembered that I approve of the reconquest of Spain and would rejoice if Constantinople was reurned to the Christians

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  45. biz says:
    @DESERT FOX
    The Zionists in Israel are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, there is a holocaust going on in Palestine and the Zionist are the perpetrators of it.

    Israel is an apartheid country and a disgrace to humanity with their backing of terrorists and their policy of genocide against the people of Palestine.

    Yes, except for the whole lack of genocide thing, it could be said to be similar.

    Anyway, I thought the official position around here was that the Holocaust was a hoax anyway, or at a minimum greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes. So I suppose if what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is “just like” ™ the Holocaust, then it must be nothing bad.

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    " I thought the official position around here was that the Holocaust was a hoax anyway, or at a minimum greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes.

    It is better described as a fraud, a scam which Jews have been conjuring since at least 1869.

    There is no proof for the allged '6M Jew, 5M others, & gas chambers'. In fact the allegations are laughably impossible. Deal with it.

    See the impossible 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    , @OilcanFloyd
    The claim that Israel is an Apartheid state is definitely bogus. Israel is far worse! The South Africans simply wanted a two or three tiered racial system, rather than an Israeli-type ethno-state. The white government also never attacked blacks with tanks, attack aircraft or missile.

    Apartheid was many giant steps up from the state of Israel.
    , @Z-man
    It was a lie but it's good to throw it in the face of Zionist because then there are multiple reasons that the Jooz can get caught...in the LIE. A pox on THEM.
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  46. http://tass.com/defense/988082

    Russians just slapped the face of US with a glove.

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  47. Alden says:
    @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    Abraham, the original dead beat Dad.

    Jacob, the mass murderer who massacred an entire tribe of goyim while the men were all incapacitated.

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  48. Pandos says:

    Guy looks like a jew to me.

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  49. Wally says:
    @biz
    Yes, except for the whole lack of genocide thing, it could be said to be similar.

    Anyway, I thought the official position around here was that the Holocaust was a hoax anyway, or at a minimum greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes. So I suppose if what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is "just like" (tm) the Holocaust, then it must be nothing bad.

    ” I thought the official position around here was that the Holocaust was a hoax anyway, or at a minimum greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes.

    It is better described as a fraud, a scam which Jews have been conjuring since at least 1869.

    There is no proof for the allged ’6M Jew, 5M others, & gas chambers’. In fact the allegations are laughably impossible. Deal with it.

    See the impossible ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

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    For sure, dude. So isn't it stupid when people around here say that Israel is just like the Holocaust, as if that is something bad, because as you've so astutely pointed out, the Holocaust didn't actually happen!?
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  50. @biz
    Yes, except for the whole lack of genocide thing, it could be said to be similar.

    Anyway, I thought the official position around here was that the Holocaust was a hoax anyway, or at a minimum greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes. So I suppose if what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is "just like" (tm) the Holocaust, then it must be nothing bad.

    The claim that Israel is an Apartheid state is definitely bogus. Israel is far worse! The South Africans simply wanted a two or three tiered racial system, rather than an Israeli-type ethno-state. The white government also never attacked blacks with tanks, attack aircraft or missile.

    Apartheid was many giant steps up from the state of Israel.

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    The white South Africans mostly treated the non whites in a kind paternal way. That may explain the historic lack of hatred of black people towards whites in South Africa. That is changing now as actual lived through experience is being replaced by anti white school indoctrination.
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  51. Sherman says:

    Give me a break. Henry Siegman is not a “Holocaust survivor”. His family got out of Germany long before the sh*t hit the fan. He was never in a camp or confined to a ghetto or hiding in an attic.

    That said, Siegman has a long history of bashing Israel and predicting its inevitable demise.

    The last time I was in Israel I didn’t see too many Jews packing their bags and fleeing over Israel’s alleged Apartheid. In fact, the big cities there were booming with construction. In many ways Israel seemed more high tech and prosperous than the US.

    Siegman has exactly zero legitimacy or recognition outside of far left circles.

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    Give me a break. Henry Siegman is not a “Holocaust survivor”.
     
    You mean to say that "holocaust survivors" sometimes lie?

    What are you, some kinda "antee-Semite?"

    Anyway, give us holocaust deniers a break, will ya?

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  52. Jake says:
    @Malla

    The two state solution is an illusion,
     
    It was always meant to be an illusion.

    The peace process is a lie and a scam.
     
    That is how it was meant to be from the start.

    However I would go beyond that. Why did the Jews decide to rename Palestine as Israel and not Judah?

    Jews are the descendants of the enemies of the Kingdom of Israel, they are descendants of the historical Kingdom of Judah
     
    These are a series of videos below by a Jewish guy explaining how Jews are not descendants of the Kingdom of historical Israel but that of historical Judah who had fought wars with Israel in the past. A must Watch!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzkC1NnMIo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI5x5UktXGE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49vMISVTlA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPxH6ODJoiI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KriambOrj6U

    A must watch!!! Initially I thought it was a White version of the 'We wuz Kangs' phenomenon which plaques blacks, but after watching it I am quite convinced, brilliantly explained. Destroys Christian Zionism completely. They should rename their country Judah and stop throwing dust at the eyes of the people's of the world.

    I haven’t watched those videos and may not get around to them.

    Here is what is true about those issues. The one Kingdom of Israel split into two nations. Essentially, 9 tribes (and half of the tribe of Benjamin) made up the larger part of the split and kept the name Israel. The other two tribes and half of Benjamin took the name Judah, from the largest of the tribes, and the tribe of David, as well as the tribe from which the prophesied Messias/Christos would come. In addition to David’s tribe and messianic prophecy, Judah had Jerusalem and thus the Temple.

    Because Judah had the Temple, the northern kingdom, which God specifically allowed to come to fruition essentially peacefully, began as religiously schismatic. As Mosaic religion requires the Temple, even devout Abraham/Moses religious Hebrews in Israel were cut off from the religion partly at first and then, after the construction of a non-religiously sanctioned new temple in Israel, totally.

    The people of Judah began calling the people of Israel Samaritans, after the capital, and damned the new temple and everything to do with it as not authorized by God and therefore heretical.

    When the Assyrians conquered Israel, the Judeans said it proved God’s fury at the false temple. The Assyrians – true Semites – used a policy of ethnic destruction of those they conquered by castrating most males and forcing the conquered women to marry or be concubines for Assyrians or for men whose people had been pacified under Assyrian rule. Probably all Israelite men who were allowed to keep their testicles would have been forced to marry non-Israelite women.

    So, almost immediately upon being conquered, the people living in Israel/Samaria were made half-breeds. And that is what the Judeans began focusing on: the Samaritans were not racially pure.

    The Chaldean/Neo-Babylonians who conquered Judea much later transported almost all important Judeans eastward, but they did not force everyone to inter-breed with non-Judeans. So when Judeans were allowed to return to Judea by the Persians (who had conquered Babylon), they saw themselves as having been saved genetically, racially, by God, which proved that Samaritans, being all half-breeds at best, were evil and perhaps evil because of being half-breed.

    The Judeans purged mixed marriages among themselves and set a course of equating Jewish pure blood with any chance of being good before God.

    And God Incarnate made that utter perversion of the Law of Moses central to condemning the Pharisees.

    If not earlier, soon after the failure of the false messiah Simon bar Kokhba rebellion against Rome (ended 136 AD), the vast majority of Samaritans would have been Christian.

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  53. This was a frustrating article and a disappointing one.

    The Israeli ‘occupation’ that Weiss and Siegman lament goes far beyond Palestine. Have they not noticed?

    The incremental confiscation of Palestine is part of a larger political distortion which affects most of the Western world.

    Palestine may be ‘the issue’ but it’s certainly not the whole story.

    Jewish privilege and Zionist tyranny are a global phenomena. Zionist activism has given us laws that limit speech as well as historic inquiry. New taboos have emerged. Corrosive double-standards have been implemented. And the manipulations don’t end there.

    Like the phony, decades-long ‘debate’ in Israel (between Labor and Likud) surrounding the intermitable ‘peace process’, there are additional Jewish frauds involving Israel’s regional adversaries. This is where US military might comes in. American power has been harnessed and unleashed under the direction of Zionists. This is the big story. But it’s largely absent from Weiss’s and Siegman’s discourse.

    The Jewish fingerprints on Washington’s crypto-Zionist wars (and unconditional support of Israel) are easy to see. But critically discussing ‘Jewish Power’ is taboo in America.

    Meanwhile, Zionist influence is rising still. Yet Weiss and Seigman ignore this troubling fact and focus instead on Israel’s long-term demographic challenge as well as their preferred strategy for Palestinians to achieve ‘equal rights’ inside the Jewish state.

    Unfortunately, Israel has no compunction about treating non-Jews in Israel abominably. Israel also enjoys direct access to US military power. This spells more tyranny in the occupied territories and more Zio-American wars.

    Meanwhile, Weiss and Siegman make a prolonged fuss over Palestine, which is commendable but it’s also ‘too little, too late’. They ignore the problem of ruthless Zionists who will stop at nothing to further their tribal interests. Are Weiss and Siegman covering up?

    Siegman trashes Netanyahu, but it’s global Jewry that is responsible for the tragedy in Palestine and the capture of Washington. He never goes there however. Inordinate international Jewish power goes examined.

    Indeed, the highly-cohesive Jewish community (of which they are both a part) has for decades orchestrated and rolled out boatloads of dubious news, misleading narratives, empty promises, libelous myths, sanitized history, hyped threats, preemptive assaults, and world-class chicanery. This deserves examination.

    The fraudulent, decades-long, Israel/Palestine ‘peace process’ is a stunning example of their head-spinning talent for deception.

    Yet Weiss and Seigman don’t seem to make mention of this immense and dark political force.

    How can they miss it?

    Indeed, if Weiss and Seigman were to talk candidly about the Jewish malfeasance, Palestine might be one chapter only.

    What about the post 911, Zio-American wars that have ruined entire nations?–and the ones still being planned?

    When will Weiss and Siegman examine this bigger story which involves Zionist power inside Washington as well as other foreign capitals? Oversized Zionist influence (and the urge for Jewish supremacism) gives explanation to why there has never been a peace agreement involving Palestine. The Zionists are as powerful as they are cruel. They see these natives as genetic inferiors with whom they must never mix. The Zions therefore seek unconditional surrender and after that, transfer or expulsion. Segregation remains a core Israeli value.

    Finally, there is the matter of de facto Jewish censorship in America. This subject is also ignored by Siegman and Weiss.

    Indeed, when it comes to certain issues, we non-Jewish Americans have been dispossessed, marginalized and sent to the back of the American bus.

    There is the real problem of Jewish political power (and corruption) in Washington and beyond. By comparison, Russian influence is a hyped-up sideshow. Yet this modern myth endures.

    And there is also the matter of double-standards. Why may Jews express kinship and ethnic solidarity but not whites? This question deserves respectful examination. But don’t expect that from Weiss or Siegman.

    Indeed, Seigman gives away his deep anti-white animus in his National Interest article that, according to Weiss, breaks new ground concerning the the long dead ‘peace process’. But it’s actually a collection stale news and mostly-familiar analysis. Weiss however is nutty about Siegman, saying that this eighty-something ‘Holocaust survivor’ should be America’s next towering pundit.

    But while Siegman examines ‘President Trump’s Jerusalem Ploy’ (moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Arab East Jerusalem) he tosses in this xenophobic nugget:

    “…Nor did Netanyahu utter a word of criticism of Trump’s scandalous moral equivalence of the neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites in Charlottesville and those who turned out to condemn their hatred and violence”. -The National Interest.

    What a total load. Is Siegman ignorant?–or just a hater of white Americans who wish to preserve their culture and history?

    To Siegman, the Virginia patriots who sought to preserve a statue of Robert E. Lee in a city park are neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, and ‘racists’. What a crock–especially coming from a ‘secular’ (racial) Jew. Jewish insults and Jewish Hypocrisy never cease.

    Indeed, Siegman surely knows that most of the violence at Charlottesville came from shrieking, threatening, bussed-in, Antifa hatemongers. So why is his analysis so distorted? Might it be a product of his deep Jewish bias?

    Siegman also complains “how woefully uninformed are not only the American public, but our government officials and academics [concerning] realistic, on-the-ground conditions in Israel and in the the Palestinian occupied territories”.

    But who is responsible for this ignorance? Trump? Hardly.

    This ‘uninformed’ condition among Americans has been decades in the making. It’s a product of misleading headlines, omitted facts, and fake news that favors Israel. But it is the Zionists who dominate (and censor) American news and discourse. Please take a look in the mirror, Mr. Siegman.

    Siegman’s distorted views give explanation to unwarranted significance of Israel in American life. It is a by-product of Jewish prejudice and Jewish supremacism.

    Zionist propaganda plays a key role in the picture. Zio-prop is designed to arouse feelings of guilt. This prompts reflexes, including the learned response of yielding to Jewish authority, withholding comment and denying the value of the white culture and white continuity.

    The fact that US media is largely in Jewish hands doesn’t arouse a comment from Weiss or Siegman.

    Incredibly, Jewish media barons are depicting racial miscegenation in America as groovy, desirable, and progressive. In Israel, on the other hand, Arab/Jewish romance is taboo and invisible. Same tribe. Different message. How come?

    It can be argued that both Weiss and Siegman play mildly supporting roles in kosher capers of this kind. Unfortunately, saying this might cross the line into ‘anti-Semitism’. This charge renders the discussion Off Limits. Conversation closed. Censorship of this kind a Jewish ploy that’s apparently respected by both Weiss and Seigman. They both decry ‘anti-Semitism’, even when it’s well-earned.

    These tricks bring to mind the possibility that the entire Israel/Palestine ‘peace process’ has been a charade from the start. It’s a canard took decades to unfold but it finally hatched. The hoax required massive interference, planning, delays, and strategic corruption by an army of Zionists. But they did their work. Now Trump is on their payroll.

    Meanwhile, an all-Jewish (or all-Zionist) debating society dominates our national discussion. This fact doesn’t seem to bother either Weiss or Siegman.

    But so what if Siegman says that the two state solution is “dead and buried”? This is old news. Ditto on his demographic observations. The Palestinian struggle for ‘equal rights’ could similarly take forever.

    In less important news, not only has Palestine has been conquered, but the United States.

    How’s that for a headline?

    Don’t wait for Weiss or Siegman to break that story.

    Even though Weiss comes off as honest, ethical, and well-meaning, his Jewish identity clouds his judgement. This applies to Siegman as well.

    The ongoing problem of Jewish bias, Jewish media domination, and Jewish political subterfuge must not be ignored. Countless lives are at stake.

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    The ongoing problem of Jewish bias, Jewish media domination, and Jewish political subterfuge must not be ignored. Countless lives are at stake.
     
    Great analysis,
    puts the entire article into a more appropriate context.
    Thank you.
    , @Wally
    A powerful rebuttal to a bit more subtle, but obvious Jew propaganda piece. Mark Green just keeps on keepin' on. He nails it every time.

    Al the lies that actually give Jews unearned influence & wealth are kept intact in by Siegman & Weiss.

    Cracks appearing, however, expect more crap like the article under discussion.

    The so called 'most documented event in world history' in fact has no documents which support the ridiculous '6M & gas chambers', no Hitler order, no orders from anyone to confirm the laughable claims.
     
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    , @NoseytheDuke
    What about including 9/11 itself to your list? I can't imagine anything more likely to blow the lid off than the widespread exposure of that.
    , @utu

    These tricks bring to mind the possibility that the entire Israel/Palestine ‘peace process’ has been a charade from the start.
     
    Not a possibility, but certainty.
    , @Anonymous
    Weiss has written an interesting article which doesn't deal with all the issues thst interest you. You seem to be capable of writing grammatical prose at length. Why don't you write your own article?
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  54. What the fuck, this site’s prominent question is the Jewish one,

    Why shouldn’t an ancient people have their own homeland, where are the Egyptian Pharoahs,Goths, Vikings, Visigoths, Armani, Sychtians, Parthians, Druids, Celts, Achaeminids….. all dead…Rome was the greatest Catastrophe for the Jews… and Rome is Dead how many Italian boys are called Vespasian or Titus – who mercifully spared Josephus and their culture, they took 2,000 years to recover and they did a coup – within a few years of Hitler’s ferocity their tiny state was formed.

    Shouldn’t it be a source of wonder for all historically literate people that such a people should at least be appreciated for just keeping that culture for 2K years without a state – such tough guys – they might be obnoxious parasites but the only ancient cultures which survived this long with such few people … please tell me who else kept the faith in the Old Gods? u

    Full disclosure I’m an Atheist Hindu who has never been to the US so don’t accuse me, but this hatred of an ancient people who are highly intelligent and kept their faith despite been finished off by Rome and nearly genocided by Hitler recovered in a couple of years and their tiny state is thriving.

    I will support these ancient and proud people – go and tell this to Hitler.

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    Excepts Jews want to deny Euro-whites the same 'homeland' that Jews insist upon.

    Jews support strict Israeli immigration laws which mandate JEWS ONLY, while demanding massive low IQ, 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    Another point I'll mention, you said:

    "within a few years of Hitler’s ferocity their tiny state was formed"

    What ferocity?
    There was no '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and you cannot prove there was.
    But then Zionists are not known for honesty.

    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

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  55. Adrian E. says:

    I would not see the future of Jewish-dominated Israel so bleak.

    I agree that in the near future, the implementation of a two-state solution is not very likely. But the main reason of this is that among all the possible variations (e.g. two-state solution, one-state solution, open Apartheid, …) the status quo (with an occupation that is theoretically temporary, but practically permanent) is the most convenient one for Israel. When the status quo is the preferred solution of the most powerful actor, there is a great likelihood that the status quo will remain.

    But I think it is far from clear that Israel is bound to become a pariah state, and if it becomes one, continuation of occupation, open Apartheid or a One state solution with an Arabic majority are not the only solution.

    First, the two-state solution has so far mostly been a smokescreen to cover up the fact that the occupation is permanent, but if Israel really wanted, it probably could still attempt to implement a version of this idea (removing settlements could become difficult because of the resistance of settlers and their influence in Israeli settlements, but there might be a kind of compromise both Palestinians and settlers could accept). Second, there are other options – since the status quo is most convenient for Israel, they are not actively explored now, but when there is the threat that Israel becomes a pariah state (which is rather remote now), Israel would probably consider them. Another one of these options would be the creation of an independent Palestinian state in Gaza (which would be facilitated if Egypt agreed to add sparsely populated areas in the Sinai to this state, perhaps in exchange for some uninhabited Israeli land and/or a Egyptian-Jordanian road connection via tunnels or bridges) and the unification of Israel with the West bank, granting Israeli citizenship to all Palestinians in the West bank (in that case, Israel would become more Arabic, Palestinians certainly would have significant political influence, but they would not be a majority in the foreseeable future if Gaza was a separate state).

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  56. Alden says:
    @jacques sheete

    He is also a prophet inasmuch as he is counseling American Jewry to give up its attachment to Zionism as a dead letter, no different from a Christian state here, and so prepare itself for a future in which Israel is isolated as a pariah state and there is a “significant exodus of Israel’s Jews.”
     
    What I don't understand is the alleged attachment of American Jews to the Zio-gangster state of Israel, and why it's taking so long for it to be recognized as a pariah state that should have been isolated decades ago, if allowed to gain ground at all.

    I believe Uri Avnery is also predicting the demise of the criminal state and I hope he's correct as well.

    Another fine article from Weiss, and I hope the predictions come true sooner rather than later, but I hope the Zion-nuts just dry up and blow away since there are already too many of them in the US and we don't need any more of that type of immigrant, legal or illegal. We don't need their money either, and may I suggest they stick it where the sun don't shine?

    I think about a million Israelis live as permanent residents of the US. That’s about 1/5 of the Israeli population.

    One reason American Jews are so devoted to Israel is the relentless propaganda of the Jewish community publications A typical Jewish community newspaper is 45 percent holocausr, 45 percent Israel and 10 percent community news.

    The holocaust articles reinforce that Jews must have their own nation as a refuge next time Hitler rises from the dead and starts another holocaust.

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  57. BasicE says:

    Israel is a modern, thriving, high-tech nation surrounded by failed states. It has a large, extemely effective army and air force, and several hundred of its own nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. It is not going anywhere. It is also pro-Western and a reliable US ally, and it costs the US a helluva lot less than the gigantic sums we spend bankrolling the defense of the Europeans, to say nothing of our incredibly expensive efforts to keep the oil flowing out of the Gulf of Arabia for the benefit of the Chinese to bankrupt our industries, the Arabs to finance Muslim expansionism and terrorism, and the Europeans to bankroll their massive welfare states.

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  58. Alden says:
    @jacques sheete

    However I would go beyond that. Why did the Jews decide to rename Palestine as Israel and not Judah?
     
    Excellent question, the answer to which would undoubtedly reveal some fundamental truths and it should be amusing to read the responses of the hasbara trolls.

    They should rename their country Judah and stop throwing dust at the eyes of the people’s of the world.
     
    The whole enterprise is based on BS, so there's no way they'd engage in anything as honest as you're suggesting, unfortunately.Also, the rest of the world seems to be seeing through their dust. Only they are blinded by it.

    It’s named Israel because of “ Hear o Israel the lord thy God is one” That’s their basic prayer and the essence of the Jewish religion.

    And why shouldn’t the zionists pick their own name for their own state?

    Judea is a name Christian bible thumpers prefer. What business is it of theirs? Better they pay attention to the Christian bible instead of wallowing in the porn, violence and massacres of the Hebrew bible.

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  59. Alden says:
    @RobinG
    Why are you here? Zionism is bullshit.

    "....we know that 3,000 years ago the Celtic people resided in places like present-day Switzerland. Just because 3,000 years ago some people believed that God gave Jerusalem specifically to the Jewish people, that doesn’t mean that you ignore the next 3,000 years and the place should become the capital of Israel based on biblical references. The idea that the rights of the Palestinian people can be ignored because of religious text written down thousands of years ago is absolutely ludicrous." CRAIG MURRAY
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/31/former-ambassador-reflects-on-current-events/

    If the European Jews have the right to take over Israel because their remote ancestors lived their 3,000 years ago, the the American Indians have the right to kick all peoples who came here after 1500.

    So the Whites can go back to Europe and dispossesse them. The blacks can go back to Africa and dispossesse them. The light skinned blacks can get involved in century long International court hearing about whether they are entitled to go back to Europe or Africa.

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    If the European Jews have the right to take over Israel
     
    The majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews whose ancestors were from the Arab world, not Europe. But don't let facts get in the way of an anti-Israel rant.
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  60. I don’t understand this cognitive dissonance of the anti-semite posters here – I mean the Holocaust denial

    Shouldn’t you be celebrating it instead of denyng it? After- all if the Holocaust is denied what the fuck did Hitler Achieve? Tell me. The greatest Genocide of the White people? The destruction of one of the greatest Martial traditions dating back to Arminius -the Teutonic Knights – the Prussian General staff, later known as the German General staff. Why would you deny the mass murder of people who you would wish dead?

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    trivial: Adolf gave the jews their greatest weapon. Nobody, NOBODY, used a historical event as successfully as the jews. Profoundly disgusting but also very sad how the most powerful nation still today falls for it.

    It is not a matter of denying in my view, even though there is sufficient evidence it's been somewhat exaggerated; it is rather a question of historical justice whereby the killing of jews is no more disgusting then the killing of other "groups" (religious, ethnic whatever) just another proof of human evil.
    , @biz
    There's also the whole "The Holocaust was a hoax !1!" followed immediately by "What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is just like the Holocaust!!1!"

    Anti-Israel shit is hilarious.
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  61. Wally says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Who on earth would want Israel's Jews? Certainly the U.S. is not obligated to take them! We'd be better off without the Jews we already have, Weiss definitely included. Why should Americans care about Zionist or anti-Zionist Jews? Neither group, Weiss included, gives a damn about us.

    “Siegman, a Holocaust survivor now in his late 80s,”

    Another of the gazillions of “survivors” which absolutely proves there was no ‘holocaust’ as alleged.

    Join in:
    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are laughable, scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”
    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

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  62. Off the map. First DC, then Tel Aviv.

    There’s your solution.

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  63. biz says:
    @Wally
    " I thought the official position around here was that the Holocaust was a hoax anyway, or at a minimum greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes.

    It is better described as a fraud, a scam which Jews have been conjuring since at least 1869.

    There is no proof for the allged '6M Jew, 5M others, & gas chambers'. In fact the allegations are laughably impossible. Deal with it.

    See the impossible 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    For sure, dude. So isn’t it stupid when people around here say that Israel is just like the Holocaust, as if that is something bad, because as you’ve so astutely pointed out, the Holocaust didn’t actually happen!?

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    Reading The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Jewish journalist Ilan Pappe reveals many, many awful methods and practises used against the Palestinians that were also ascribed to the Third Reich during WWII. I personally know some Jews who privately voice their shame over this but fear being ostracised if they speak out.
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  64. biz says:
    @Alden
    If the European Jews have the right to take over Israel because their remote ancestors lived their 3,000 years ago, the the American Indians have the right to kick all peoples who came here after 1500.

    So the Whites can go back to Europe and dispossesse them. The blacks can go back to Africa and dispossesse them. The light skinned blacks can get involved in century long International court hearing about whether they are entitled to go back to Europe or Africa.

    If the European Jews have the right to take over Israel

    The majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews whose ancestors were from the Arab world, not Europe. But don’t let facts get in the way of an anti-Israel rant.

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    Not sure about current demographics in Israel, but European Jews developed the Zionist movement and founded Israel.

    And being from the "Arab World" isn't the same as being from Palestine. Muslims from Morrocco don't claim Palestine as a birthright.
    , @Bruford or White
    "The majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews whose ancestors were from the Arab world, not Europe. "

    But Israel is clearly an Ashkenazi creation.

    Has there ever been a non-Ashkenazi PM?
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  65. windwaves says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Dream on Windwaves. Jews are definitely trying to destroy the U.S. for whites, who are the colonizers, founders, and builders of the nation, but Jewish power will prove limited, as it always does. You are right that many Jews likely believe that it is them against us, and they are ahead of the curve in such thinking, since that's their agenda. When that sinks in to everyone else to the point that discussing the issue is easy, where will Jews be then? Will blacks and Latinos be able or willing to save them?

    I don’t think I am dreaming, really stating facts from which I find it hard we can escape.

    I however strongly feel you are dreaming: “When that sinks in to everyone else to the point that discussing the issue is easy”; I have no idea why that would happen, how it would happen and clearly “when” it would happen. I certainly would love to hope so and the sooner the better but I have no evidence we are getting there. Strangled by jew control and even worse Israel first fake americans, I see zero progress.

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  66. a Holocaust survivor now in his late 80s, was himself a Zionist, and head of the World Jewish Congress.

    The holocaust was and is a blatant hoax. And this guy is still an enemy if he isn’t willing to admit as much, because as the former head of the WJC, he absolutely knows the truth.

    Point in case? Let’s read the writing of another head of the world Jewish Congress to get a better idea about what these people were gathering to plot for Europe & whites in general:

    Nahum Goldmann, leading Zionist and the founder and longtime president of the World Jewish Congress:

    “The historical mission of our world revolution is to rearrange a new culture of humanity to replace the previous social system. This conversion and re-organization of global society requires two essential steps: firstly, the destruction of the old established order, secondly, design and imposition of the new order. The first stage requires elimination of all frontier borders, nationhood and culture, public policy ethical barriers and social definitions, only then can the destroyed old system elements be replaced by the imposed system elements of our new order.

    The first task of our world revolution is Destruction. All social strata and social formations created by traditional society must be annihilated, individual men and women must be uprooted from their ancestral environment, torn out of their native milieus, no tradition of any type shall be permitted to remain as sacrosanct, traditional social norms must only be viewed as a disease to be eradicated, the ruling dictum of the new order is; nothing is good so everything must be criticized and abolished, everything that was, must be gone.

    The forces preserving traditional society are “free market capitalism” in the social economic realm, and “democracy” in the mental political realm. The capitalist free market does not fight against the old economic order, nor does democracy lead a fierce hot battle against the forces of reaction which oppose the new order, therefore our transformative work will be imposed through the unifying principle of the militaristic spirit, the negative task of destroying the old established order will be completely solved and finished only when the all the human masses are all forcibly collectivized as uniformed soldiers under imposed mass-conformity of new order culturing.

    After destruction of the old order, construction of the new order is a larger and more difficult task. We will have torn out the old limbs from their ancient roots in deep layers, social norms will be lying disorganized and anarchic so they must be blocked against new cultural forms and social catagories naturally re-emerging. The general masses will have been first persuaded to join as equals in the first task of destroying their own traditional society and economic culture, but then the new order must be forcibly established through people again being divided and differentiated only in accordance with the new pyramidal hierarchical system of our imposed global monolithic new world order.

    Capitalism must be condemned as a fundament misfortune caused by the wealth of capitalist power exploiting the false separation between the high rulers and the oppressed exploited masses. The masses must be induce to repudiate the concept of personal wealth and personal rights, this second task will also be solved only by virtue of the great guiding principle of the subordinating militaristic spirit in which superior ranks impose order on inferiors, which will bring the true aristocratic principle of “might is right” in the new world order: “those who can rule – shall rule”.

    Translated from German

    From the book ‘Der Geist des Militarismus’ (The spirit of militarism), Nahum Goldmann, 1915, p.37 – 38

    https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100103943

    Pretty sobering description of the current times, considering the writings are over 102 years old at this point.

    At any rate, as a Zionist and member of the WJC, that is the doctrine to which this Henry Siegman was and likely still is a party to. He was the HEAD of the organization conspiring to make this a reality.

    Zionism ≠ The creation of a Jewish homeland in Israel.
    Zionism = The creation of a global Jewish empire from the ashes of gentile civilization.

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    Sounds like The Protocol of the Elders doesn't it.
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  67. @biz

    If the European Jews have the right to take over Israel
     
    The majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews whose ancestors were from the Arab world, not Europe. But don't let facts get in the way of an anti-Israel rant.

    Not sure about current demographics in Israel, but European Jews developed the Zionist movement and founded Israel.

    And being from the “Arab World” isn’t the same as being from Palestine. Muslims from Morrocco don’t claim Palestine as a birthright.

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  68. windwaves says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)
    I don't understand this cognitive dissonance of the anti-semite posters here - I mean the Holocaust denial

    Shouldn't you be celebrating it instead of denyng it? After- all if the Holocaust is denied what the fuck did Hitler Achieve? Tell me. The greatest Genocide of the White people? The destruction of one of the greatest Martial traditions dating back to Arminius -the Teutonic Knights - the Prussian General staff, later known as the German General staff. Why would you deny the mass murder of people who you would wish dead?

    trivial: Adolf gave the jews their greatest weapon. Nobody, NOBODY, used a historical event as successfully as the jews. Profoundly disgusting but also very sad how the most powerful nation still today falls for it.

    It is not a matter of denying in my view, even though there is sufficient evidence it’s been somewhat exaggerated; it is rather a question of historical justice whereby the killing of jews is no more disgusting then the killing of other “groups” (religious, ethnic whatever) just another proof of human evil.

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    What "killing of Jews"?
    Tell us what 'Adolf gave the Jews'.
    Was Hitler in power in 1869? *
    www.codoh.com

    * Jews have been lying about their '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869.
    http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

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  69. Palestinians will not leave because they will have nowhere to go.

    Nearly two dozen states with nearly 400 million fellow Arabs won’t take them in. For the same reason black Americans don’t want other black Americans to have guns. They know their own kind.

    But you want Israeli voters to let such people live next door? Fifty years ago, Southerners called this “cheap grace”.

    Actually, it’s the Palestinian Christians who have nowhere to go. No one has offered them a three-state solution.

    Lacerating anecdote showing Israeli racism, emphasis mine.

    “Racism” is a bogus word, and concept, made up by the nefarious to manipulate others and to siphon what little power they have. Anyone who uses it today can be assumed to be either a scoundrel or a fool until proven otherwise.

    Jews should prepare themselves for a “significant exodus of Jews” from Israel…

    Whither, might I ask? Philadelphia? Miami Beach? Ventura County?

    …as it faces a future of acknowledged apartheid …

    You use “apartheid” like it’s a bad word. So either you’ve swallowed the Jewish/black/Soviet propaganda of sixty years ago, or you’re just yanking our chain.

    Apartheid is what borders and border control are for.

    …or– democracy.

    In a multiculture, democracy means death.

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    You use “apartheid” like it’s a bad word.
     
    In this context it is, especially since the usual suspects are always yapping and howling about being excluded by "anti-Semites."

    IOW, in this case, it represents a double standard, no matter how special the "chosen ones" think they are.

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  70. biz says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)
    I don't understand this cognitive dissonance of the anti-semite posters here - I mean the Holocaust denial

    Shouldn't you be celebrating it instead of denyng it? After- all if the Holocaust is denied what the fuck did Hitler Achieve? Tell me. The greatest Genocide of the White people? The destruction of one of the greatest Martial traditions dating back to Arminius -the Teutonic Knights - the Prussian General staff, later known as the German General staff. Why would you deny the mass murder of people who you would wish dead?

    There’s also the whole “The Holocaust was a hoax !1!” followed immediately by “What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is just like the Holocaust!!1!”

    Anti-Israel shit is hilarious.

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    How about the holocaust is a hoax, and what the Israelis (pushed and financed by Jews everywhere) are doing to the Palestinians is much like what Jews claim happened to them during the holocaust? Is that less funny?
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  71. AaronB says:

    It’s only a matter of time before Israel gets absorbed into the ancient Middle East.

    The entire shaky edifice is incredibly fragile and geld together by its 25% Ashkenazi elite. 75% of the nation is already an integral part of the ancient Middle East, Iraqi and Yemeni Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druze, and Circassians.

    These elements are a natural part of the region and will eventually be absorbed. Despite its racism and horrific foreign policy, part of what makes Israel interesting to visit is that it is palpably not a Western state. It’s unmistakeably Oriental in character – chaotic, shambolic, dirty, disorganized, expressive, human. It’s brittle, thin veneer of European technology, sustained by its tiny Ashkenazi sliver, is a fragile crust. Israel may have some great tech, but Bangkok feels more modern.

    I have orthodox Jewish friends in New York who visit Israel and feel it to be a deeply alien place and are uncomfortable there. They don’t recognize it as Jewish. Their attitude is highly ambivalent – emotionally committed to the place and it’s symbolic value, they nevertheless despise it and have no wish to live there.

    The Second Lebanon War showed a steep decline in motivation and morale among Israelis – and wars are won by morale, not technology, and not guns.

    The Israeli Army loves Special Forces units, and has an abundance of them. This probably has something to do with the Jewish mindset. In this war, Israel’s most elite units went up against Hezbillah, and at best, kept on achieving stalemates, and hitting impasses, and needing to be rescued.

    No matter how good your training is, if you lack morale, you can’t win. I’m sure these elite Israeli troops had world class training, but they simply weren’t willing to face death and charge the enemy. They kept on getting bogged down and needing to be rescued.

    I remember meeting one of these elite soldiers in the Pontic Alps of Turkey, where I was briefly on my way overland to Asia. Nice guy, very physically fit, and he basically confirmed the lack of serious morale.

    I was reading recently about how elite Israeli counter terrorist units train in room clearing – apparently, their approach emphasizes extreme caution and slowness, which differs from the American approach. Understandable, but the mentality is one of risk avoidance. That does not bode well.

    Earlier, when Israel had its Security Zone in Lebanon, there was a famous incident in which an elite Commando unit was ambushed, and one of the soldiers refused to charge into the enemy as good tactics demand in an ambush. Three soldiers died. Interviewed later by Israeli TV, he explained candidly he did not wish to die.

    Before Israel withdrew from Lebanon, if you followed it, increasingly you’d read reports of elite Israeli units getting bogged down in five, six, seven hour firefights, that were inconclusive. 20 years before, you’d read about an Israeli unit wiping out a larger Hezbolla unit within minutes.

    Not only that, but in that tiny, insignificant 2006 war, Israel ran out of munitions and had to make an emergency order to the US. That’s shocking. It shows how vulnerable and dependent Israel is. People don’t fully realize it.

    With the US in decline, the conclusion is foregone.

    Starting in the 90s, Israel underwent an Americanization process – more precisely, it became more American Jewish. The old idealism, brutal and racist as it was, and the old sense of adventure, was replaced by the typical diaspora Jewish mindset of obsession with money and materialism.

    Israel is now more unequal than America, and Israelis are increasingly disaffected and unhappy.

    Whatever idealism and morale is left, is swiftly being undermined by neoliberalism, and Israel has regional alternatives to the neoliberal way of life exerting subtle pressures and offering a vision of freedom that will grow more tempting as the crushing tyranny of neoliberalism grows greater with each passing year.

    When the fragile balancing act collapses, the American Jews driving the neoliberalization process can go home, the Old Ashkenazi stock who were always adventurers and pioneers – perhaps pirates – and not like the typical diaspora Jew can find a way to melt into the region, and the reality that most of Israel is already a part of the ancient Middle East can merely become manifest.

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    It’s unmistakeably Oriental in character – chaotic, shambolic, dirty, disorganized, expressive, human. It’s brittle, thin veneer of European technology, sustained by its tiny Ashkenazi sliver, is a fragile crust. Israel may have some great tech, but Bangkok feels more modern.
     
    Because cities like Tel Aviv were built up mainly in the 1950s, when the country was giant refugee camp without any money to spend beyond the military, while needing to construct housing for the absorption half its population as Arab Jewish refugees.

    All the Khrushchev slum buildings of this time, are decaying and collapsing in a African manner, which gives many city centers in Israel the build-atmosphere of a capital city in Nigeria or the Congo.

    But the current economic situation of the country is very different to what decaying 1950s Khrushchev slum buildings of the center of cities reflect. Skyscrapers and shiny new buildings, which reflect actual economic state of the country in 2018, are springing up like mushrooms after the rain. A short drive around the outskirts, where modern glass buildings are rising on undeveloped land, gives a totally different impression.

    And even somewhat newer cities where most buildings were put up in the 1980s, like Ashdod, are already in large parts very clean and modern.

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  72. j says: • Website

    I take Siegman’s passive-aggressive prognosis as the bitter cursing of a dying man. He is the quintessential American Jewish leader, in a time when American Jews are assimilating and dying off. He hates watching the incredible vitality and growing strength of Israeli Jewry. He dreams of our failing and begging for refuge in America. Never again, Mr Siegman.

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    He hates watching the incredible vitality and growing strength of Israeli Jewry.
     
    And the rest of us hate watching the incredible sadism and growing thievery of Israeli Jewry.

    We're tired of the incessant whining and yapping about never ending "existential" threats, too.

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  73. @biz
    There's also the whole "The Holocaust was a hoax !1!" followed immediately by "What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is just like the Holocaust!!1!"

    Anti-Israel shit is hilarious.

    How about the holocaust is a hoax, and what the Israelis (pushed and financed by Jews everywhere) are doing to the Palestinians is much like what Jews claim happened to them during the holocaust? Is that less funny?

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    That would be incorrect on both counts, but at least incorrect in a way that is not hilariously logically inconsistent, so yes, an improvement.
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  74. @DESERT FOX
    The Zionists in Israel are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, there is a holocaust going on in Palestine and the Zionist are the perpetrators of it.

    Israel is an apartheid country and a disgrace to humanity with their backing of terrorists and their policy of genocide against the people of Palestine.

    The Zionists in Israel are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto…

    The Zionists in Israel are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis are said to have done to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.

    Since the “eternal victim ” crowd has long been at the forefront of mendacity, exaggeration, hysteria, subterfuge, perversion, theft and murder, I no longer take any claims they make at face value. All that they accuse others of is projection and the droolings of hysterical paranoid narcissist infants until proven otherwise.

    Besides, if the bankster backed Bolshies hadn’t been raising Hell all over the world for decades, Nazis would never have happened, and if New York Jews hadn’t declared war on Germany including an economic boycott, and if Jews hadn’t separated themselves into ghettos (for the “purity” of their race), any attack on the Warsaw ghetto would likely not have occurred.

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  75. @Sherman
    Give me a break. Henry Siegman is not a "Holocaust survivor". His family got out of Germany long before the sh*t hit the fan. He was never in a camp or confined to a ghetto or hiding in an attic.

    That said, Siegman has a long history of bashing Israel and predicting its inevitable demise.

    The last time I was in Israel I didn't see too many Jews packing their bags and fleeing over Israel's alleged Apartheid. In fact, the big cities there were booming with construction. In many ways Israel seemed more high tech and prosperous than the US.

    Siegman has exactly zero legitimacy or recognition outside of far left circles.

    Give me a break. Henry Siegman is not a “Holocaust survivor”.

    You mean to say that “holocaust survivors” sometimes lie?

    What are you, some kinda “antee-Semite?”

    Anyway, give us holocaust deniers a break, will ya?

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  76. Wally says: • Website
    @anony-mouse
    1/ The Jewish population of Israel is about 8 times what it was in 1948. No doubt there were people predicting an exodus then too. And also over the almost 70 years since.

    2/ Apparently I'm the only one here who reads iSteve articles. Like this one:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/jewish-fertility-in-the-jewish-state-continues-to-soar/

    3/ '... Jewish liberals would not recognize Israel. ..' The percentage of Jewish liberals who have not been to Israel/have no relatives or friends living in Israel is very small.

    4/ '...Its culture is shaped by the brutality of disenfranchising people on a racial basis...' Doesn't Phil Weiss repeatedly refer to Mizrachi Jews as 'Arab Jews'. If Arabs brutalize Arabs are they doing it on a 'racial basis'?

    5/ '... Siegman is a great leader...' Doesn't a leader need folowers? Who are they? What's the name of the group?

    6/ Phil Weiss is over 60. Siegman is almost 90. Why is it that Unz.com keeps getting old men to write apocalyptic predictions? And not just on this subject. Is this some kind of weird brain problem I'll have to deal with?

    “The Jewish population of Israel is about 8 times what it was in 1948. No doubt there were people predicting an exodus then too. And also over the almost 70 years since.”

    So much for the ‘extermination of Jews’ in the “holocau$t”?

    Jews simply poured out of Europe after WWII.
    http://www.codoh.com

    The ’6,000,000 Jews’ lie and the laughing Mexican:

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  77. @j
    I take Siegman's passive-aggressive prognosis as the bitter cursing of a dying man. He is the quintessential American Jewish leader, in a time when American Jews are assimilating and dying off. He hates watching the incredible vitality and growing strength of Israeli Jewry. He dreams of our failing and begging for refuge in America. Never again, Mr Siegman.

    He hates watching the incredible vitality and growing strength of Israeli Jewry.

    And the rest of us hate watching the incredible sadism and growing thievery of Israeli Jewry.

    We’re tired of the incessant whining and yapping about never ending “existential” threats, too.

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    And the rest of us hate watching the incredible sadism and growing thievery of Israeli Jewry.

    We’re tired of the incessant whining and yapping about never ending “existential” threats, too.
     
    You forgot parasitism and duplicity. Those are some of their worst qualities. American Jews are at least as bad.
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  78. @Reg Cæsar

    Palestinians will not leave because they will have nowhere to go.
     
    Nearly two dozen states with nearly 400 million fellow Arabs won't take them in. For the same reason black Americans don't want other black Americans to have guns. They know their own kind.

    But you want Israeli voters to let such people live next door? Fifty years ago, Southerners called this "cheap grace".

    Actually, it's the Palestinian Christians who have nowhere to go. No one has offered them a three-state solution.

    Lacerating anecdote showing Israeli racism, emphasis mine.
     
    "Racism" is a bogus word, and concept, made up by the nefarious to manipulate others and to siphon what little power they have. Anyone who uses it today can be assumed to be either a scoundrel or a fool until proven otherwise.



    Jews should prepare themselves for a “significant exodus of Jews” from Israel...
     
    Whither, might I ask? Philadelphia? Miami Beach? Ventura County?

    ...as it faces a future of acknowledged apartheid ...
     
    You use "apartheid" like it's a bad word. So either you've swallowed the Jewish/black/Soviet propaganda of sixty years ago, or you're just yanking our chain.

    Apartheid is what borders and border control are for.

    ...or– democracy.
     
    In a multiculture, democracy means death.

    You use “apartheid” like it’s a bad word.

    In this context it is, especially since the usual suspects are always yapping and howling about being excluded by “anti-Semites.”

    IOW, in this case, it represents a double standard, no matter how special the “chosen ones” think they are.

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    IOW, in this case, it represents a double standard, no matter how special the “chosen ones” think they are.
     
    In my view, Semites are Semites are Semites. Japhetites are more nuanced.
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  79. Wally says:
    @turtle
    So, an Israeli Jew advocates putting Arabs in concentration camps?
    Mr. Israeli must be a great admirer of the late Heinrich Himmler.

    Nazis and AshkeNazis seem to be birds of a feather.
    We must now eagerly await the Final Solution to the Arab Question, to prevent those sand nigger parasites from “sucking from the state’s teats.”
    Vernichtung lebensunwerten Lebens, indeed.

    Yawn. Your propaganda is being exposed as we speak.
    You are relying upon ‘garbage in, garbage out’. Your curiously beloved, but fake, ’6M’ is fraudulent & easily shown as such.
    And why do so many people want 6M Jews to be dead? Revisionists don’t.
    Jews should be elated to know that 6M of their brethren were not murdered.

    “I owe my permission to submit the Zionist plan for the final solution of the Jewish Question.”
    - ‘Father of political Zionism’ Theodor Herzl, letter to the Czar, November 22, 1899

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ridiculous ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

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  80. Wally says: • Website
    @Dan Herman
    True. You are right Mr. Weiss that Israel will not exist as a country for very long. Seventy years is a page in history.

    Unless, Mr. Abbas take the one billion offered by Mr. Netanyahu and makes his state in Gaza by calling it Palestine. Who knows.

    “True. You are right Mr. Weiss that Israel will not exist as a country for very long. Seventy years is a page in history.”

    But just think of the trillions of dollars that parasite Israel / Jews will have stolen from US taxpayers & everyone else in the meantime.
    No worries for them. The US will be / is the next ‘Israel’.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel’s Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    http://www.codoh.com

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  81. @jacques sheete

    He hates watching the incredible vitality and growing strength of Israeli Jewry.
     
    And the rest of us hate watching the incredible sadism and growing thievery of Israeli Jewry.

    We're tired of the incessant whining and yapping about never ending "existential" threats, too.

    And the rest of us hate watching the incredible sadism and growing thievery of Israeli Jewry.

    We’re tired of the incessant whining and yapping about never ending “existential” threats, too.

    You forgot parasitism and duplicity. Those are some of their worst qualities. American Jews are at least as bad.

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  82. biz says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    How about the holocaust is a hoax, and what the Israelis (pushed and financed by Jews everywhere) are doing to the Palestinians is much like what Jews claim happened to them during the holocaust? Is that less funny?

    That would be incorrect on both counts, but at least incorrect in a way that is not hilariously logically inconsistent, so yes, an improvement.

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  83. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse
    1/ The Jewish population of Israel is about 8 times what it was in 1948. No doubt there were people predicting an exodus then too. And also over the almost 70 years since.

    2/ Apparently I'm the only one here who reads iSteve articles. Like this one:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/jewish-fertility-in-the-jewish-state-continues-to-soar/

    3/ '... Jewish liberals would not recognize Israel. ..' The percentage of Jewish liberals who have not been to Israel/have no relatives or friends living in Israel is very small.

    4/ '...Its culture is shaped by the brutality of disenfranchising people on a racial basis...' Doesn't Phil Weiss repeatedly refer to Mizrachi Jews as 'Arab Jews'. If Arabs brutalize Arabs are they doing it on a 'racial basis'?

    5/ '... Siegman is a great leader...' Doesn't a leader need folowers? Who are they? What's the name of the group?

    6/ Phil Weiss is over 60. Siegman is almost 90. Why is it that Unz.com keeps getting old men to write apocalyptic predictions? And not just on this subject. Is this some kind of weird brain problem I'll have to deal with?

    Zionism has hurt the West ( Christianity and the Democracy ) much more than it has or will ever be able to hurt the ME . I am not including the money ( west ) or the deaths ( ME)

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  84. @Mark Green
    This was a frustrating article and a disappointing one.

    The Israeli 'occupation' that Weiss and Siegman lament goes far beyond Palestine. Have they not noticed?

    The incremental confiscation of Palestine is part of a larger political distortion which affects most of the Western world.

    Palestine may be 'the issue' but it's certainly not the whole story.

    Jewish privilege and Zionist tyranny are a global phenomena. Zionist activism has given us laws that limit speech as well as historic inquiry. New taboos have emerged. Corrosive double-standards have been implemented. And the manipulations don't end there.

    Like the phony, decades-long 'debate' in Israel (between Labor and Likud) surrounding the intermitable 'peace process', there are additional Jewish frauds involving Israel's regional adversaries. This is where US military might comes in. American power has been harnessed and unleashed under the direction of Zionists. This is the big story. But it's largely absent from Weiss's and Siegman's discourse.

    The Jewish fingerprints on Washington's crypto-Zionist wars (and unconditional support of Israel) are easy to see. But critically discussing 'Jewish Power' is taboo in America.

    Meanwhile, Zionist influence is rising still. Yet Weiss and Seigman ignore this troubling fact and focus instead on Israel's long-term demographic challenge as well as their preferred strategy for Palestinians to achieve 'equal rights' inside the Jewish state.

    Unfortunately, Israel has no compunction about treating non-Jews in Israel abominably. Israel also enjoys direct access to US military power. This spells more tyranny in the occupied territories and more Zio-American wars.

    Meanwhile, Weiss and Siegman make a prolonged fuss over Palestine, which is commendable but it's also 'too little, too late'. They ignore the problem of ruthless Zionists who will stop at nothing to further their tribal interests. Are Weiss and Siegman covering up?

    Siegman trashes Netanyahu, but it's global Jewry that is responsible for the tragedy in Palestine and the capture of Washington. He never goes there however. Inordinate international Jewish power goes examined.

    Indeed, the highly-cohesive Jewish community (of which they are both a part) has for decades orchestrated and rolled out boatloads of dubious news, misleading narratives, empty promises, libelous myths, sanitized history, hyped threats, preemptive assaults, and world-class chicanery. This deserves examination.

    The fraudulent, decades-long, Israel/Palestine 'peace process' is a stunning example of their head-spinning talent for deception.

    Yet Weiss and Seigman don't seem to make mention of this immense and dark political force.

    How can they miss it?

    Indeed, if Weiss and Seigman were to talk candidly about the Jewish malfeasance, Palestine might be one chapter only.

    What about the post 911, Zio-American wars that have ruined entire nations?--and the ones still being planned?

    When will Weiss and Siegman examine this bigger story which involves Zionist power inside Washington as well as other foreign capitals? Oversized Zionist influence (and the urge for Jewish supremacism) gives explanation to why there has never been a peace agreement involving Palestine. The Zionists are as powerful as they are cruel. They see these natives as genetic inferiors with whom they must never mix. The Zions therefore seek unconditional surrender and after that, transfer or expulsion. Segregation remains a core Israeli value.

    Finally, there is the matter of de facto Jewish censorship in America. This subject is also ignored by Siegman and Weiss.

    Indeed, when it comes to certain issues, we non-Jewish Americans have been dispossessed, marginalized and sent to the back of the American bus.

    There is the real problem of Jewish political power (and corruption) in Washington and beyond. By comparison, Russian influence is a hyped-up sideshow. Yet this modern myth endures.

    And there is also the matter of double-standards. Why may Jews express kinship and ethnic solidarity but not whites? This question deserves respectful examination. But don't expect that from Weiss or Siegman.

    Indeed, Seigman gives away his deep anti-white animus in his National Interest article that, according to Weiss, breaks new ground concerning the the long dead 'peace process'. But it's actually a collection stale news and mostly-familiar analysis. Weiss however is nutty about Siegman, saying that this eighty-something 'Holocaust survivor' should be America's next towering pundit.

    But while Siegman examines 'President Trump's Jerusalem Ploy' (moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Arab East Jerusalem) he tosses in this xenophobic nugget:

    "...Nor did Netanyahu utter a word of criticism of Trump's scandalous moral equivalence of the neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites in Charlottesville and those who turned out to condemn their hatred and violence". -The National Interest.

    What a total load. Is Siegman ignorant?--or just a hater of white Americans who wish to preserve their culture and history?

    To Siegman, the Virginia patriots who sought to preserve a statue of Robert E. Lee in a city park are neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, and 'racists'. What a crock--especially coming from a 'secular' (racial) Jew. Jewish insults and Jewish Hypocrisy never cease.

    Indeed, Siegman surely knows that most of the violence at Charlottesville came from shrieking, threatening, bussed-in, Antifa hatemongers. So why is his analysis so distorted? Might it be a product of his deep Jewish bias?

    Siegman also complains "how woefully uninformed are not only the American public, but our government officials and academics [concerning] realistic, on-the-ground conditions in Israel and in the the Palestinian occupied territories".

    But who is responsible for this ignorance? Trump? Hardly.

    This 'uninformed' condition among Americans has been decades in the making. It's a product of misleading headlines, omitted facts, and fake news that favors Israel. But it is the Zionists who dominate (and censor) American news and discourse. Please take a look in the mirror, Mr. Siegman.

    Siegman's distorted views give explanation to unwarranted significance of Israel in American life. It is a by-product of Jewish prejudice and Jewish supremacism.

    Zionist propaganda plays a key role in the picture. Zio-prop is designed to arouse feelings of guilt. This prompts reflexes, including the learned response of yielding to Jewish authority, withholding comment and denying the value of the white culture and white continuity.

    The fact that US media is largely in Jewish hands doesn't arouse a comment from Weiss or Siegman.

    Incredibly, Jewish media barons are depicting racial miscegenation in America as groovy, desirable, and progressive. In Israel, on the other hand, Arab/Jewish romance is taboo and invisible. Same tribe. Different message. How come?

    It can be argued that both Weiss and Siegman play mildly supporting roles in kosher capers of this kind. Unfortunately, saying this might cross the line into 'anti-Semitism'. This charge renders the discussion Off Limits. Conversation closed. Censorship of this kind a Jewish ploy that's apparently respected by both Weiss and Seigman. They both decry 'anti-Semitism', even when it's well-earned.

    These tricks bring to mind the possibility that the entire Israel/Palestine 'peace process' has been a charade from the start. It's a canard took decades to unfold but it finally hatched. The hoax required massive interference, planning, delays, and strategic corruption by an army of Zionists. But they did their work. Now Trump is on their payroll.

    Meanwhile, an all-Jewish (or all-Zionist) debating society dominates our national discussion. This fact doesn't seem to bother either Weiss or Siegman.

    But so what if Siegman says that the two state solution is "dead and buried"? This is old news. Ditto on his demographic observations. The Palestinian struggle for 'equal rights' could similarly take forever.

    In less important news, not only has Palestine has been conquered, but the United States.

    How's that for a headline?

    Don't wait for Weiss or Siegman to break that story.

    Even though Weiss comes off as honest, ethical, and well-meaning, his Jewish identity clouds his judgement. This applies to Siegman as well.

    The ongoing problem of Jewish bias, Jewish media domination, and Jewish political subterfuge must not be ignored. Countless lives are at stake.

    The ongoing problem of Jewish bias, Jewish media domination, and Jewish political subterfuge must not be ignored. Countless lives are at stake.

    Great analysis,
    puts the entire article into a more appropriate context.
    Thank you.

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  85. BasicE says:

    As attractive as many of the ideas on this site are, its obsession with archaic European crackpot Jew-hatred will always keep it marginal. Nonetheless: 1) There was a Holocaust. 2) The positive effects of the elimination of the state of Israel would be absolutely none; there would simply be one more catastrophic failure of an Arab Muslim state. and, finally 3) The Jews, as a group, whoever they are, do not control the world, although a disproportionate amount of people of Jewish ancestry, but hardly any with any sense of themselves as Jewish, are among the world’s power players, but do not constitute a majority, or even much a minority. Some, such as Soros, actively hate Israel and Judaism in general; almost all the rest are indifferent to it except in a vague sentimental way.

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    , @jacques sheete

    As attractive as many of the ideas on this site are, its obsession with archaic European crackpot Jew-hatred will always keep it marginal.
     
    Talk about obsession with archaic crackpot hatred, I think anti-goyim belongs on the list along with paranoia, probably based on guilt and projection.

    Here's some more crackpot hatred to obsess over. Oh, I forgot, hatred is OK for the "chosen" apparently.


    "Hate the Gentile!" Israel’s Racist Rabbis, by JONATHAN COOK

    “”Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”
    Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.”According to Yosef, death has “no dominion” over non-Jews in Israel.

    "Hate the Gentile!" Israel’s Racist Rabbis, by JONATHAN COOK

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/israel-s-racist-rabbis/
     

    Take your hatred and stick it. Better yet, clean up your own act first. Yeah, I know it's easier to whine and play the victim card.
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  86. biz says:

    Whoopteedoo.

    People have been predicting the demographic and/or military and/or diplomatic demise of Israel constantly since 1948. Seigmann is just the latest limpdick on this bandwagon. Who fucking cares.

    At least before 1967 it wasn’t completely nuts to think so. Back then Israel had no strategic depth, runaway inflation, and a lack of water. Even in the 70s, one could point to the UN equating Zionism with racism (back when the UN still mattered), and the existence of a Soviet superpower patron of various anti-Zionist causes.

    But in 2018, when Israel has a solid and steady Jewish majority, 16th in the world per capita GDP, military and scientific satellites in orbit, peace treaties along 80% of its international borders, and budding alliances with India and even Saudi Arabia, it is only fools who think that demise is imminent.

    You think that BDS activists on US and European college campuses will ride to your rescue? Puh-lease. They’re a bunch of aspie Nazis and Islamists. It is clear in these hilarious comments right here exactly how much those two can do together, i.e. nothing. Nazis and Islamists couldn’t even defeat Israel when it was the Mufti and Hitler, and you think Linda Sarsour and that closet case Spencer will?? Lol.

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    Nazis and Islamists couldn’t even defeat Israel when it
     
    But lowly Hezbollah cleaned their clock.
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  87. renfro says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Weiss has been a part of the media for decades, and knows full well why certain ideas and people are given coverage while others are ignored.

    Weiss is more than just a bullshitter. Weiss is a Jewish supremacist bigot who believes that Jews have more power and advantages when they base their ethno-mafia and rackets outside of Israel. Sensitive intellectual act aside, I think it's just that simple.

    The ironic thing is that the U.S. and rest of the world would be much better off if Weiss and most of his co-ethnics, of all stripes, were fenced off in Israel.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2006/05/my_jewish_probl-2/

    My Jewish Problem: Jewish Superiority, Jewish Elite

    ”My friend said he was a secular Jew and asked me how I define myself. An assimilating Jew, I said. Shortly after that, his friend said, I don’t know what an assimilating Jew is, and walked away.

    My friend is more intellectual. He said, What do you think will be lost if Jews assimilate into America? He answered his own question: the excellence that Jews have brought to any number of endeavors, science, the arts, finance, education, and so forth.

    I said, But what if these qualities are more widely shared with assimilation? Will our excellence pull up others’ mediocrity?

    He said, I think those qualities will be diluted. I.e., lost.”

    >>>>>>>>>>>

    rotflmao…..

    No Phil…..your ”will our excellence pull up others’ mediocrity?”…..has already been answered…it has actually diluted the gentile excellence.

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  88. anarchyst says:

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not “add up”…

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the “yellow Star of David” armband so that they could be easily identified.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and “disease”–”holocaust ™ ” “transference syndrome. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish “holocaust ™” survivors are infected with this “disease” and should also be considered “holocaust ™” survivors, eligible for “holocaust ™” reparations”.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews’ declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a “gas chamber” chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these “camps”.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the “chimney” for the supposed “gas chamber” does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were “liberated” by the “allies”, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be “liberated” by the Russian “allies”.

    I urge those “holocaust ™” believers to check these things out for yourselves–IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…

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    " Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . . "

    Wrong, he admitted not believing in gas chambers, and spent three years in an Austrian prison.
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  89. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    Destruction is what Zionism has been seeking in its different reincarnations over the centuries

    http://takimag.com/article/the_kissinger_connection/print#axzz55z4vCEsF–The Kissinger Connection by Patrick Foy shows the calculated premeditated destruction of Iraq despite America’s expressed wishes to avoid the debacle . Zio plan was enunciated by Yoded Plan in 1982, by PNAC in 1996 and by M Ledeen in “creative Destruction” There was no creation Only destruction and intentional.

    Follow the trajectory

    1 Bremer said that on 9 May Feith showed him a draft of an order for the
    ‘De-Baathification of Iraqi Society,’ and later that day he received his
    ‘marching orders’ in a final memo from Rumsfeld.
    9
    Feith said that the
    decision had been ‘worked and reworked in interagency meetings, and by
    early May it had interagency clearance’.
    10
    Once in Iraq, Bremer said that
    ‘The White House, DoD, and State all signed off on this’.
    11
    Despite Feith’s
    assertion that the decision had been cleared in an inter-agency process, the
    military had a distinctly different understanding of the policy and the CIA
    was not consulted.
    The military interpretation of the purge was that it would apply to the
    top
    two
    levels of the Baath party, those who were clearly leaders, which

    amounted to perhaps 6,000 people. But Bremer interpreted the de-
    Baathification policy to exclude the top
    four
    levels of the Baath Party as
    well as the top three levels in each government ministry.
    12
    This decision
    effectively eliminated the leadership and top technical capacity for
    universities, hospitals, transportation, electricity and communications

    Intelligence and National Security
    Vol. 25, No. 1, 76–85, February 2010

    http://pfiffner.gmu.edu/files/pdfs/Articles/CPA%20Orders,%20Iraq%20PDF.pdf

    2 Pfiffner wrote in the professional journal Intelligence and National Security in 2010. “When asked in 2006 by his biographer…about the decision, Bush replied ‘Well, the policy was to keep the army intact. Didn’t happen’.”- http://time.com/3900753/isis-iraq-syria-army-united-states-military/

    3
    “The collapse of the Roman Empire ushered in the rise of Ashkenazi Jewry. For the next 500 years Jews had a virtual monopoly on banking and credit. It allowed the formation of a Jewish elite of large scale bankers. Great Jewish merchant families accumulated the capital, commercial capability, and courage to engage in long distance trade. This trade was facilitated by a Jewish network along the shores of the Mediterranean, and into Asia. Jews were the great merchants of the early Middle Ages. They brought Jewels, perfumes, and spices, from around the Mediterranean, and from as far away as India: things the feudal aristocracy of Western Europe wanted “to make their crude lives a little more pleasant and beautiful.”

    These Jewish merchants exported furs, swords, and lumber from the great forests of Europe. And slaves. Jews were very much involved in white slave traffic in the early Middle Ages. They provided credit instruments, bridge loans when great lords died (to allow settlement of estates); they funded armed conflict”

    Medieval historian Norman Cantor, from Manitoba, taught at Princeton, Columbia, Tel Aviv, Chicago and many other illustrious places.

    http://rolandnikles.blogspot.com/2017/12/medieval-jewry-in-western-europe.html

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  90. renfro says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    a Holocaust survivor now in his late 80s, was himself a Zionist, and head of the World Jewish Congress.
     
    The holocaust was and is a blatant hoax. And this guy is still an enemy if he isn't willing to admit as much, because as the former head of the WJC, he absolutely knows the truth.

    Point in case? Let's read the writing of another head of the world Jewish Congress to get a better idea about what these people were gathering to plot for Europe & whites in general:


    Nahum Goldmann, leading Zionist and the founder and longtime president of the World Jewish Congress:

    "The historical mission of our world revolution is to rearrange a new culture of humanity to replace the previous social system. This conversion and re-organization of global society requires two essential steps: firstly, the destruction of the old established order, secondly, design and imposition of the new order. The first stage requires elimination of all frontier borders, nationhood and culture, public policy ethical barriers and social definitions, only then can the destroyed old system elements be replaced by the imposed system elements of our new order.

    The first task of our world revolution is Destruction. All social strata and social formations created by traditional society must be annihilated, individual men and women must be uprooted from their ancestral environment, torn out of their native milieus, no tradition of any type shall be permitted to remain as sacrosanct, traditional social norms must only be viewed as a disease to be eradicated, the ruling dictum of the new order is; nothing is good so everything must be criticized and abolished, everything that was, must be gone.

    The forces preserving traditional society are "free market capitalism" in the social economic realm, and "democracy" in the mental political realm. The capitalist free market does not fight against the old economic order, nor does democracy lead a fierce hot battle against the forces of reaction which oppose the new order, therefore our transformative work will be imposed through the unifying principle of the militaristic spirit, the negative task of destroying the old established order will be completely solved and finished only when the all the human masses are all forcibly collectivized as uniformed soldiers under imposed mass-conformity of new order culturing.

    After destruction of the old order, construction of the new order is a larger and more difficult task. We will have torn out the old limbs from their ancient roots in deep layers, social norms will be lying disorganized and anarchic so they must be blocked against new cultural forms and social catagories naturally re-emerging. The general masses will have been first persuaded to join as equals in the first task of destroying their own traditional society and economic culture, but then the new order must be forcibly established through people again being divided and differentiated only in accordance with the new pyramidal hierarchical system of our imposed global monolithic new world order.

    Capitalism must be condemned as a fundament misfortune caused by the wealth of capitalist power exploiting the false separation between the high rulers and the oppressed exploited masses. The masses must be induce to repudiate the concept of personal wealth and personal rights, this second task will also be solved only by virtue of the great guiding principle of the subordinating militaristic spirit in which superior ranks impose order on inferiors, which will bring the true aristocratic principle of "might is right" in the new world order: "those who can rule - shall rule".

    Translated from German

    From the book 'Der Geist des Militarismus' (The spirit of militarism), Nahum Goldmann, 1915, p.37 - 38
    https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100103943


    Pretty sobering description of the current times, considering the writings are over 102 years old at this point.


    At any rate, as a Zionist and member of the WJC, that is the doctrine to which this Henry Siegman was and likely still is a party to. He was the HEAD of the organization conspiring to make this a reality.

    Zionism ≠ The creation of a Jewish homeland in Israel.
    Zionism = The creation of a global Jewish empire from the ashes of gentile civilization.

    Sounds like The Protocol of the Elders doesn’t it.

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  91. iffen says:
    @BasicE
    As attractive as many of the ideas on this site are, its obsession with archaic European crackpot Jew-hatred will always keep it marginal. Nonetheless: 1) There was a Holocaust. 2) The positive effects of the elimination of the state of Israel would be absolutely none; there would simply be one more catastrophic failure of an Arab Muslim state. and, finally 3) The Jews, as a group, whoever they are, do not control the world, although a disproportionate amount of people of Jewish ancestry, but hardly any with any sense of themselves as Jewish, are among the world's power players, but do not constitute a majority, or even much a minority. Some, such as Soros, actively hate Israel and Judaism in general; almost all the rest are indifferent to it except in a vague sentimental way.

    Hasbara

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  92. @biz

    If the European Jews have the right to take over Israel
     
    The majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews whose ancestors were from the Arab world, not Europe. But don't let facts get in the way of an anti-Israel rant.

    “The majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews whose ancestors were from the Arab world, not Europe. ”

    But Israel is clearly an Ashkenazi creation.

    Has there ever been a non-Ashkenazi PM?

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    It's akin to how males of the Rb Y-DNA background ended up becoming Egyptian Pharaohs. For long-term stable governments in the Middle East, you can't count of the natives producing decent rulers. You need to import superior northern bloodlines.
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  93. Sean says:

    A terrifying prospect for the West.

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  94. @RobinG
    ZIONISM IS BULLSHIT

    That's the title of a book of Craig Murray's essays and speeches.
    "Facebook took down ads for the book, claiming that they objected to the profanity, which is kind of funny because it is a word that appears quite often on Facebook. Later they claimed that the book was banned because the title denigrated a religion. Of course, Zionism is not a religion but a political movement. Many religious Jews do not support Zionism. If I don’t agree with a political position I should be able to say so as plainly as I wish."

    Former British Ambassador Craig Murray discussed ... Julian Assange, the alleged Russian election hack, Trump’s Israel embassy move ... with Randy Credico and Dennis J Bernstein.
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/31/former-ambassador-reflects-on-current-events/

    Zionism is on par with islam as a political system wrapped in a thin veil of religion. That obvious fact should be apparent to anyone viewing what has transpired in the Middle East since 1948.

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  95. “Siegman knocks Obama hard in his piece.”

    It’s too bad that someone hasn’t rapped Obama hard in his nuts. I wonder if they allowed him to drag his teleprompter into the temple for his little inane speech.

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  96. grr says:
    @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    Satire?

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  97. Wally says:
    @Mark Green
    This was a frustrating article and a disappointing one.

    The Israeli 'occupation' that Weiss and Siegman lament goes far beyond Palestine. Have they not noticed?

    The incremental confiscation of Palestine is part of a larger political distortion which affects most of the Western world.

    Palestine may be 'the issue' but it's certainly not the whole story.

    Jewish privilege and Zionist tyranny are a global phenomena. Zionist activism has given us laws that limit speech as well as historic inquiry. New taboos have emerged. Corrosive double-standards have been implemented. And the manipulations don't end there.

    Like the phony, decades-long 'debate' in Israel (between Labor and Likud) surrounding the intermitable 'peace process', there are additional Jewish frauds involving Israel's regional adversaries. This is where US military might comes in. American power has been harnessed and unleashed under the direction of Zionists. This is the big story. But it's largely absent from Weiss's and Siegman's discourse.

    The Jewish fingerprints on Washington's crypto-Zionist wars (and unconditional support of Israel) are easy to see. But critically discussing 'Jewish Power' is taboo in America.

    Meanwhile, Zionist influence is rising still. Yet Weiss and Seigman ignore this troubling fact and focus instead on Israel's long-term demographic challenge as well as their preferred strategy for Palestinians to achieve 'equal rights' inside the Jewish state.

    Unfortunately, Israel has no compunction about treating non-Jews in Israel abominably. Israel also enjoys direct access to US military power. This spells more tyranny in the occupied territories and more Zio-American wars.

    Meanwhile, Weiss and Siegman make a prolonged fuss over Palestine, which is commendable but it's also 'too little, too late'. They ignore the problem of ruthless Zionists who will stop at nothing to further their tribal interests. Are Weiss and Siegman covering up?

    Siegman trashes Netanyahu, but it's global Jewry that is responsible for the tragedy in Palestine and the capture of Washington. He never goes there however. Inordinate international Jewish power goes examined.

    Indeed, the highly-cohesive Jewish community (of which they are both a part) has for decades orchestrated and rolled out boatloads of dubious news, misleading narratives, empty promises, libelous myths, sanitized history, hyped threats, preemptive assaults, and world-class chicanery. This deserves examination.

    The fraudulent, decades-long, Israel/Palestine 'peace process' is a stunning example of their head-spinning talent for deception.

    Yet Weiss and Seigman don't seem to make mention of this immense and dark political force.

    How can they miss it?

    Indeed, if Weiss and Seigman were to talk candidly about the Jewish malfeasance, Palestine might be one chapter only.

    What about the post 911, Zio-American wars that have ruined entire nations?--and the ones still being planned?

    When will Weiss and Siegman examine this bigger story which involves Zionist power inside Washington as well as other foreign capitals? Oversized Zionist influence (and the urge for Jewish supremacism) gives explanation to why there has never been a peace agreement involving Palestine. The Zionists are as powerful as they are cruel. They see these natives as genetic inferiors with whom they must never mix. The Zions therefore seek unconditional surrender and after that, transfer or expulsion. Segregation remains a core Israeli value.

    Finally, there is the matter of de facto Jewish censorship in America. This subject is also ignored by Siegman and Weiss.

    Indeed, when it comes to certain issues, we non-Jewish Americans have been dispossessed, marginalized and sent to the back of the American bus.

    There is the real problem of Jewish political power (and corruption) in Washington and beyond. By comparison, Russian influence is a hyped-up sideshow. Yet this modern myth endures.

    And there is also the matter of double-standards. Why may Jews express kinship and ethnic solidarity but not whites? This question deserves respectful examination. But don't expect that from Weiss or Siegman.

    Indeed, Seigman gives away his deep anti-white animus in his National Interest article that, according to Weiss, breaks new ground concerning the the long dead 'peace process'. But it's actually a collection stale news and mostly-familiar analysis. Weiss however is nutty about Siegman, saying that this eighty-something 'Holocaust survivor' should be America's next towering pundit.

    But while Siegman examines 'President Trump's Jerusalem Ploy' (moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Arab East Jerusalem) he tosses in this xenophobic nugget:

    "...Nor did Netanyahu utter a word of criticism of Trump's scandalous moral equivalence of the neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites in Charlottesville and those who turned out to condemn their hatred and violence". -The National Interest.

    What a total load. Is Siegman ignorant?--or just a hater of white Americans who wish to preserve their culture and history?

    To Siegman, the Virginia patriots who sought to preserve a statue of Robert E. Lee in a city park are neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, and 'racists'. What a crock--especially coming from a 'secular' (racial) Jew. Jewish insults and Jewish Hypocrisy never cease.

    Indeed, Siegman surely knows that most of the violence at Charlottesville came from shrieking, threatening, bussed-in, Antifa hatemongers. So why is his analysis so distorted? Might it be a product of his deep Jewish bias?

    Siegman also complains "how woefully uninformed are not only the American public, but our government officials and academics [concerning] realistic, on-the-ground conditions in Israel and in the the Palestinian occupied territories".

    But who is responsible for this ignorance? Trump? Hardly.

    This 'uninformed' condition among Americans has been decades in the making. It's a product of misleading headlines, omitted facts, and fake news that favors Israel. But it is the Zionists who dominate (and censor) American news and discourse. Please take a look in the mirror, Mr. Siegman.

    Siegman's distorted views give explanation to unwarranted significance of Israel in American life. It is a by-product of Jewish prejudice and Jewish supremacism.

    Zionist propaganda plays a key role in the picture. Zio-prop is designed to arouse feelings of guilt. This prompts reflexes, including the learned response of yielding to Jewish authority, withholding comment and denying the value of the white culture and white continuity.

    The fact that US media is largely in Jewish hands doesn't arouse a comment from Weiss or Siegman.

    Incredibly, Jewish media barons are depicting racial miscegenation in America as groovy, desirable, and progressive. In Israel, on the other hand, Arab/Jewish romance is taboo and invisible. Same tribe. Different message. How come?

    It can be argued that both Weiss and Siegman play mildly supporting roles in kosher capers of this kind. Unfortunately, saying this might cross the line into 'anti-Semitism'. This charge renders the discussion Off Limits. Conversation closed. Censorship of this kind a Jewish ploy that's apparently respected by both Weiss and Seigman. They both decry 'anti-Semitism', even when it's well-earned.

    These tricks bring to mind the possibility that the entire Israel/Palestine 'peace process' has been a charade from the start. It's a canard took decades to unfold but it finally hatched. The hoax required massive interference, planning, delays, and strategic corruption by an army of Zionists. But they did their work. Now Trump is on their payroll.

    Meanwhile, an all-Jewish (or all-Zionist) debating society dominates our national discussion. This fact doesn't seem to bother either Weiss or Siegman.

    But so what if Siegman says that the two state solution is "dead and buried"? This is old news. Ditto on his demographic observations. The Palestinian struggle for 'equal rights' could similarly take forever.

    In less important news, not only has Palestine has been conquered, but the United States.

    How's that for a headline?

    Don't wait for Weiss or Siegman to break that story.

    Even though Weiss comes off as honest, ethical, and well-meaning, his Jewish identity clouds his judgement. This applies to Siegman as well.

    The ongoing problem of Jewish bias, Jewish media domination, and Jewish political subterfuge must not be ignored. Countless lives are at stake.

    A powerful rebuttal to a bit more subtle, but obvious Jew propaganda piece. Mark Green just keeps on keepin’ on. He nails it every time.

    Al the lies that actually give Jews unearned influence & wealth are kept intact in by Siegman & Weiss.

    Cracks appearing, however, expect more crap like the article under discussion.

    The so called ‘most documented event in world history’ in fact has no documents which support the ridiculous ’6M & gas chambers’, no Hitler order, no orders from anyone to confirm the laughable claims.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  98. renfro says:

    The motivation of Jews like Siegman is to save Israel….by whatever means. By force however he means diplomatic force…not military force.
    This is where the so called liberal Jews or liberal Zionist practice what defines them
    ….delusional thinking…..
    The world has tried diplomacy on Israel for 70 years…it doesn’t work.
    What would work on Israel is some heavy sanctions. And if that doesn’t work there’s always the AF and Marines.
    After WWII millions of ethnic German civilians were forcefully moved out of countries back to Germany…..moving 700,00 Israeli settlers out of Israel’s Palestine settlements and back into the 1948 Israel boarders can be done….and should be done.

    Imposing Middle East Peace
    Forceful outside intervention is the only alternative to an unstable and dangerous status quo
    .

    By Henry Siegman – 2010

    https://www.thenation.com/article/imposing-middle-east-peace/?page=0,1

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    "....moving 700,00 Israeli settlers out of Israel’s Palestine settlements and back into the 1948 Israel boarders can be done...."

    WTF !?! You're a 2-stater? Endorsing the fraudulent Zio-state? There was nothing legitimate about "Israel" in 1948. It's all Palestine.
    , @iffen
    After WWII millions of ethnic German civilians were forcefully moved out of countries back to Germany

    Not so much before the War. Before the War it was Germany that moved to the Germans. :)

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  99. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Forget expelling blacks from Israel for the moment. Israel needs to get rid of liberal Jews. Use the legal charge of treason when they express support for Palestinian terrorism. Either jail liberal Jews or take away their citizenship and expel them.

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  100. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Bruford or White
    "The majority of Israeli Jews are descended from Jews whose ancestors were from the Arab world, not Europe. "

    But Israel is clearly an Ashkenazi creation.

    Has there ever been a non-Ashkenazi PM?

    It’s akin to how males of the Rb Y-DNA background ended up becoming Egyptian Pharaohs. For long-term stable governments in the Middle East, you can’t count of the natives producing decent rulers. You need to import superior northern bloodlines.

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  101. Sean says:

    The West would be subjected to an unprecedentedly destructive culture of critique if Siegman’s prediction came true. The West Bank Palestinians must be expelled.

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  102. I wonder how large the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia’s Far East is. There are fewer than 200,000 there now; maybe there’s room for a couple million more?

    Jews in Israel will need somewhere safer to flee as Israel becomes majority Muslim.

    Please don’t let it be Fort Lauderdale.

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  103. RobinG says:
    @renfro
    The motivation of Jews like Siegman is to save Israel....by whatever means. By force however he means diplomatic force...not military force.
    This is where the so called liberal Jews or liberal Zionist practice what defines them....delusional thinking.....
    The world has tried diplomacy on Israel for 70 years...it doesn't work.
    What would work on Israel is some heavy sanctions. And if that doesn't work there's always the AF and Marines.
    After WWII millions of ethnic German civilians were forcefully moved out of countries back to Germany.....moving 700,00 Israeli settlers out of Israel's Palestine settlements and back into the 1948 Israel boarders can be done....and should be done.


    Imposing Middle East Peace
    Forceful outside intervention is the only alternative to an unstable and dangerous status quo
    .

    By Henry Siegman - 2010

    https://www.thenation.com/article/imposing-middle-east-peace/?page=0,1

    “….moving 700,00 Israeli settlers out of Israel’s Palestine settlements and back into the 1948 Israel boarders can be done….”

    WTF !?! You’re a 2-stater? Endorsing the fraudulent Zio-state? There was nothing legitimate about “Israel” in 1948. It’s all Palestine.

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    fraudulent Zio-state

    Robin, Robin, Robin, get a grip.
    , @renfro
    I am a 2 stater for practical reasons....Israel should have never been created to begin with--but since it exist dismantling it now would throw 8 million Jews on the world to deal with again.
    No country wants to have to take in more Jews ....so unlikely they will dismantle Israel.

    Israel gets half of its water supply from the west bank for instance---take it out of the west bank and Israelis will get very thirsty....and Palestines will get back the water wells and supplies that are rightfully theirs. As it stands now Israel takes the Palestine water and sells back to them what Israelis don't use. The Palestines could enrich themselves selling water to Israel instead.

    I would be happy at this point to push Israel back to UN 1948 borders--even happier to see all Jews sent to Israel ---Trump could build sky scrapers to house them all in.

    The Israelis are locust, they denude the land of nature resources wherever they go for short term gains and gluttony.....Israel cant sustain itself now even with all they steal....pushed back to original borders it would soon consume itself and become nothing but a jewish commune .
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  104. iffen says:
    @RobinG
    "....moving 700,00 Israeli settlers out of Israel’s Palestine settlements and back into the 1948 Israel boarders can be done...."

    WTF !?! You're a 2-stater? Endorsing the fraudulent Zio-state? There was nothing legitimate about "Israel" in 1948. It's all Palestine.

    fraudulent Zio-state

    Robin, Robin, Robin, get a grip.

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  105. iffen says:
    @renfro
    The motivation of Jews like Siegman is to save Israel....by whatever means. By force however he means diplomatic force...not military force.
    This is where the so called liberal Jews or liberal Zionist practice what defines them....delusional thinking.....
    The world has tried diplomacy on Israel for 70 years...it doesn't work.
    What would work on Israel is some heavy sanctions. And if that doesn't work there's always the AF and Marines.
    After WWII millions of ethnic German civilians were forcefully moved out of countries back to Germany.....moving 700,00 Israeli settlers out of Israel's Palestine settlements and back into the 1948 Israel boarders can be done....and should be done.


    Imposing Middle East Peace
    Forceful outside intervention is the only alternative to an unstable and dangerous status quo
    .

    By Henry Siegman - 2010

    https://www.thenation.com/article/imposing-middle-east-peace/?page=0,1

    After WWII millions of ethnic German civilians were forcefully moved out of countries back to Germany

    Not so much before the War. Before the War it was Germany that moved to the Germans. :)

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  106. renfro says:
    @RobinG
    "....moving 700,00 Israeli settlers out of Israel’s Palestine settlements and back into the 1948 Israel boarders can be done...."

    WTF !?! You're a 2-stater? Endorsing the fraudulent Zio-state? There was nothing legitimate about "Israel" in 1948. It's all Palestine.

    I am a 2 stater for practical reasons….Israel should have never been created to begin with–but since it exist dismantling it now would throw 8 million Jews on the world to deal with again.
    No country wants to have to take in more Jews ….so unlikely they will dismantle Israel.

    Israel gets half of its water supply from the west bank for instance—take it out of the west bank and Israelis will get very thirsty….and Palestines will get back the water wells and supplies that are rightfully theirs. As it stands now Israel takes the Palestine water and sells back to them what Israelis don’t use. The Palestines could enrich themselves selling water to Israel instead.

    I would be happy at this point to push Israel back to UN 1948 borders–even happier to see all Jews sent to Israel —Trump could build sky scrapers to house them all in.

    The Israelis are locust, they denude the land of nature resources wherever they go for short term gains and gluttony…..Israel cant sustain itself now even with all they steal….pushed back to original borders it would soon consume itself and become nothing but a jewish commune .

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    Jewish Israelis don't have to go anywhere. They can stay in a non-racist Palestine. Many will.

    "Two-state solution" is nothing practical, it's the carrot of false hope that's been dangled for decades. It's no longer viable, if it ever was.
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  107. Dmitry says:

    Left-wing dogs may bark, but the caravan goes on.

    Note – Israel was not long ago a Third-World country. Yet this year, in dollar terms, Israel’s GDP per capita has overtaken the UK (the world’s first industrialized country). despite the rapid population growth in Israel.

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=71&pr.y=8&sy=2018&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=436%2C112&s=NGDPDPC%2CLP&grp=0&a=

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  108. Dmitry says:
    @AaronB
    It's only a matter of time before Israel gets absorbed into the ancient Middle East.

    The entire shaky edifice is incredibly fragile and geld together by its 25% Ashkenazi elite. 75% of the nation is already an integral part of the ancient Middle East, Iraqi and Yemeni Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druze, and Circassians.

    These elements are a natural part of the region and will eventually be absorbed. Despite its racism and horrific foreign policy, part of what makes Israel interesting to visit is that it is palpably not a Western state. It's unmistakeably Oriental in character - chaotic, shambolic, dirty, disorganized, expressive, human. It's brittle, thin veneer of European technology, sustained by its tiny Ashkenazi sliver, is a fragile crust. Israel may have some great tech, but Bangkok feels more modern.

    I have orthodox Jewish friends in New York who visit Israel and feel it to be a deeply alien place and are uncomfortable there. They don't recognize it as Jewish. Their attitude is highly ambivalent - emotionally committed to the place and it's symbolic value, they nevertheless despise it and have no wish to live there.

    The Second Lebanon War showed a steep decline in motivation and morale among Israelis - and wars are won by morale, not technology, and not guns.

    The Israeli Army loves Special Forces units, and has an abundance of them. This probably has something to do with the Jewish mindset. In this war, Israel's most elite units went up against Hezbillah, and at best, kept on achieving stalemates, and hitting impasses, and needing to be rescued.

    No matter how good your training is, if you lack morale, you can't win. I'm sure these elite Israeli troops had world class training, but they simply weren't willing to face death and charge the enemy. They kept on getting bogged down and needing to be rescued.

    I remember meeting one of these elite soldiers in the Pontic Alps of Turkey, where I was briefly on my way overland to Asia. Nice guy, very physically fit, and he basically confirmed the lack of serious morale.

    I was reading recently about how elite Israeli counter terrorist units train in room clearing - apparently, their approach emphasizes extreme caution and slowness, which differs from the American approach. Understandable, but the mentality is one of risk avoidance. That does not bode well.

    Earlier, when Israel had its Security Zone in Lebanon, there was a famous incident in which an elite Commando unit was ambushed, and one of the soldiers refused to charge into the enemy as good tactics demand in an ambush. Three soldiers died. Interviewed later by Israeli TV, he explained candidly he did not wish to die.

    Before Israel withdrew from Lebanon, if you followed it, increasingly you'd read reports of elite Israeli units getting bogged down in five, six, seven hour firefights, that were inconclusive. 20 years before, you'd read about an Israeli unit wiping out a larger Hezbolla unit within minutes.

    Not only that, but in that tiny, insignificant 2006 war, Israel ran out of munitions and had to make an emergency order to the US. That's shocking. It shows how vulnerable and dependent Israel is. People don't fully realize it.

    With the US in decline, the conclusion is foregone.

    Starting in the 90s, Israel underwent an Americanization process - more precisely, it became more American Jewish. The old idealism, brutal and racist as it was, and the old sense of adventure, was replaced by the typical diaspora Jewish mindset of obsession with money and materialism.

    Israel is now more unequal than America, and Israelis are increasingly disaffected and unhappy.

    Whatever idealism and morale is left, is swiftly being undermined by neoliberalism, and Israel has regional alternatives to the neoliberal way of life exerting subtle pressures and offering a vision of freedom that will grow more tempting as the crushing tyranny of neoliberalism grows greater with each passing year.

    When the fragile balancing act collapses, the American Jews driving the neoliberalization process can go home, the Old Ashkenazi stock who were always adventurers and pioneers - perhaps pirates - and not like the typical diaspora Jew can find a way to melt into the region, and the reality that most of Israel is already a part of the ancient Middle East can merely become manifest.

    It’s unmistakeably Oriental in character – chaotic, shambolic, dirty, disorganized, expressive, human. It’s brittle, thin veneer of European technology, sustained by its tiny Ashkenazi sliver, is a fragile crust. Israel may have some great tech, but Bangkok feels more modern.

    Because cities like Tel Aviv were built up mainly in the 1950s, when the country was giant refugee camp without any money to spend beyond the military, while needing to construct housing for the absorption half its population as Arab Jewish refugees.

    All the Khrushchev slum buildings of this time, are decaying and collapsing in a African manner, which gives many city centers in Israel the build-atmosphere of a capital city in Nigeria or the Congo.

    But the current economic situation of the country is very different to what decaying 1950s Khrushchev slum buildings of the center of cities reflect. Skyscrapers and shiny new buildings, which reflect actual economic state of the country in 2018, are springing up like mushrooms after the rain. A short drive around the outskirts, where modern glass buildings are rising on undeveloped land, gives a totally different impression.

    And even somewhat newer cities where most buildings were put up in the 1980s, like Ashdod, are already in large parts very clean and modern.

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    Sure, there are wealthy enclaves, in the soulless American style. West Bank settlement are also often quite nice, if soulless.

    But the sensibility just isn't Western - and that's a good thing, maybe the only good thing about Israel.

    You're just not building a Western country when most of the population is an ancient part of the Middle East.

    Bangkok has old, chaotic, shambolic elements to it also, which make it atmospheric and interesting to visit, but it has also embraced modernity and the West more than Israel has, or at least that's how it feels.

    Israel feels sort of disconnected from the world - Bangkok doesn't.

    I think that's cool about Israel, and is a ray of hope - eventually Israel will be absorbed into the larger Middle East, and it's sharp, aggressive European element will gradually soften out and fade away.

    As a Russian, you don't belong to that sharp element, and are part of the softening process :)
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  109. Wally says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)
    What the fuck, this site's prominent question is the Jewish one,

    Why shouldn't an ancient people have their own homeland, where are the Egyptian Pharoahs,Goths, Vikings, Visigoths, Armani, Sychtians, Parthians, Druids, Celts, Achaeminids..... all dead...Rome was the greatest Catastrophe for the Jews... and Rome is Dead how many Italian boys are called Vespasian or Titus - who mercifully spared Josephus and their culture, they took 2,000 years to recover and they did a coup - within a few years of Hitler's ferocity their tiny state was formed.


    Shouldn't it be a source of wonder for all historically literate people that such a people should at least be appreciated for just keeping that culture for 2K years without a state - such tough guys - they might be obnoxious parasites but the only ancient cultures which survived this long with such few people ... please tell me who else kept the faith in the Old Gods? u

    Full disclosure I'm an Atheist Hindu who has never been to the US so don't accuse me, but this hatred of an ancient people who are highly intelligent and kept their faith despite been finished off by Rome and nearly genocided by Hitler recovered in a couple of years and their tiny state is thriving.

    I will support these ancient and proud people - go and tell this to Hitler.

    Excepts Jews want to deny Euro-whites the same ‘homeland’ that Jews insist upon.

    Jews support strict Israeli immigration laws which mandate JEWS ONLY, while demanding massive low IQ, 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    Another point I’ll mention, you said:

    “within a few years of Hitler’s ferocity their tiny state was formed”

    What ferocity?
    There was no ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and you cannot prove there was.
    But then Zionists are not known for honesty.

    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    Let’s assume you’re right. No mass murder of Jews. Milllions were still expelled from their homes, lost their belongings, etc. You’d have to be an idiot to think that there wouldn’t be a Jewish State at the end of the war. If you want to blame someone for that, try blaming the Nazis.
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  110. Art says:

    Nice try – but too little too late. Fat chance anything good is going to happen. Of course, regular old democracy is best – it is the obvious and right answer. One man one vote is superior.

    Problem — it will take an internal war to dislodge Zionism. Zionist control of Israel is even greater then its control of America. Zionists hold all the cards of power. The exclusive nature of psycho Jewishness permeates Israeli Jews. They do not want a one state or a two state solution.

    Looks like Trump is going to force the Palestinians into a deal they cannot refuse.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Israel is a mentally sick nation.

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    Think Peace — Art

    Think, Arts, think.
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  111. iffen says:
    @Art
    Nice try – but too little too late. Fat chance anything good is going to happen. Of course, regular old democracy is best – it is the obvious and right answer. One man one vote is superior.

    Problem --- it will take an internal war to dislodge Zionism. Zionist control of Israel is even greater then its control of America. Zionists hold all the cards of power. The exclusive nature of psycho Jewishness permeates Israeli Jews. They do not want a one state or a two state solution.

    Looks like Trump is going to force the Palestinians into a deal they cannot refuse.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. Israel is a mentally sick nation.

    Think Peace — Art

    Think, Arts, think.

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  112. @Mark Green
    This was a frustrating article and a disappointing one.

    The Israeli 'occupation' that Weiss and Siegman lament goes far beyond Palestine. Have they not noticed?

    The incremental confiscation of Palestine is part of a larger political distortion which affects most of the Western world.

    Palestine may be 'the issue' but it's certainly not the whole story.

    Jewish privilege and Zionist tyranny are a global phenomena. Zionist activism has given us laws that limit speech as well as historic inquiry. New taboos have emerged. Corrosive double-standards have been implemented. And the manipulations don't end there.

    Like the phony, decades-long 'debate' in Israel (between Labor and Likud) surrounding the intermitable 'peace process', there are additional Jewish frauds involving Israel's regional adversaries. This is where US military might comes in. American power has been harnessed and unleashed under the direction of Zionists. This is the big story. But it's largely absent from Weiss's and Siegman's discourse.

    The Jewish fingerprints on Washington's crypto-Zionist wars (and unconditional support of Israel) are easy to see. But critically discussing 'Jewish Power' is taboo in America.

    Meanwhile, Zionist influence is rising still. Yet Weiss and Seigman ignore this troubling fact and focus instead on Israel's long-term demographic challenge as well as their preferred strategy for Palestinians to achieve 'equal rights' inside the Jewish state.

    Unfortunately, Israel has no compunction about treating non-Jews in Israel abominably. Israel also enjoys direct access to US military power. This spells more tyranny in the occupied territories and more Zio-American wars.

    Meanwhile, Weiss and Siegman make a prolonged fuss over Palestine, which is commendable but it's also 'too little, too late'. They ignore the problem of ruthless Zionists who will stop at nothing to further their tribal interests. Are Weiss and Siegman covering up?

    Siegman trashes Netanyahu, but it's global Jewry that is responsible for the tragedy in Palestine and the capture of Washington. He never goes there however. Inordinate international Jewish power goes examined.

    Indeed, the highly-cohesive Jewish community (of which they are both a part) has for decades orchestrated and rolled out boatloads of dubious news, misleading narratives, empty promises, libelous myths, sanitized history, hyped threats, preemptive assaults, and world-class chicanery. This deserves examination.

    The fraudulent, decades-long, Israel/Palestine 'peace process' is a stunning example of their head-spinning talent for deception.

    Yet Weiss and Seigman don't seem to make mention of this immense and dark political force.

    How can they miss it?

    Indeed, if Weiss and Seigman were to talk candidly about the Jewish malfeasance, Palestine might be one chapter only.

    What about the post 911, Zio-American wars that have ruined entire nations?--and the ones still being planned?

    When will Weiss and Siegman examine this bigger story which involves Zionist power inside Washington as well as other foreign capitals? Oversized Zionist influence (and the urge for Jewish supremacism) gives explanation to why there has never been a peace agreement involving Palestine. The Zionists are as powerful as they are cruel. They see these natives as genetic inferiors with whom they must never mix. The Zions therefore seek unconditional surrender and after that, transfer or expulsion. Segregation remains a core Israeli value.

    Finally, there is the matter of de facto Jewish censorship in America. This subject is also ignored by Siegman and Weiss.

    Indeed, when it comes to certain issues, we non-Jewish Americans have been dispossessed, marginalized and sent to the back of the American bus.

    There is the real problem of Jewish political power (and corruption) in Washington and beyond. By comparison, Russian influence is a hyped-up sideshow. Yet this modern myth endures.

    And there is also the matter of double-standards. Why may Jews express kinship and ethnic solidarity but not whites? This question deserves respectful examination. But don't expect that from Weiss or Siegman.

    Indeed, Seigman gives away his deep anti-white animus in his National Interest article that, according to Weiss, breaks new ground concerning the the long dead 'peace process'. But it's actually a collection stale news and mostly-familiar analysis. Weiss however is nutty about Siegman, saying that this eighty-something 'Holocaust survivor' should be America's next towering pundit.

    But while Siegman examines 'President Trump's Jerusalem Ploy' (moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Arab East Jerusalem) he tosses in this xenophobic nugget:

    "...Nor did Netanyahu utter a word of criticism of Trump's scandalous moral equivalence of the neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites in Charlottesville and those who turned out to condemn their hatred and violence". -The National Interest.

    What a total load. Is Siegman ignorant?--or just a hater of white Americans who wish to preserve their culture and history?

    To Siegman, the Virginia patriots who sought to preserve a statue of Robert E. Lee in a city park are neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, and 'racists'. What a crock--especially coming from a 'secular' (racial) Jew. Jewish insults and Jewish Hypocrisy never cease.

    Indeed, Siegman surely knows that most of the violence at Charlottesville came from shrieking, threatening, bussed-in, Antifa hatemongers. So why is his analysis so distorted? Might it be a product of his deep Jewish bias?

    Siegman also complains "how woefully uninformed are not only the American public, but our government officials and academics [concerning] realistic, on-the-ground conditions in Israel and in the the Palestinian occupied territories".

    But who is responsible for this ignorance? Trump? Hardly.

    This 'uninformed' condition among Americans has been decades in the making. It's a product of misleading headlines, omitted facts, and fake news that favors Israel. But it is the Zionists who dominate (and censor) American news and discourse. Please take a look in the mirror, Mr. Siegman.

    Siegman's distorted views give explanation to unwarranted significance of Israel in American life. It is a by-product of Jewish prejudice and Jewish supremacism.

    Zionist propaganda plays a key role in the picture. Zio-prop is designed to arouse feelings of guilt. This prompts reflexes, including the learned response of yielding to Jewish authority, withholding comment and denying the value of the white culture and white continuity.

    The fact that US media is largely in Jewish hands doesn't arouse a comment from Weiss or Siegman.

    Incredibly, Jewish media barons are depicting racial miscegenation in America as groovy, desirable, and progressive. In Israel, on the other hand, Arab/Jewish romance is taboo and invisible. Same tribe. Different message. How come?

    It can be argued that both Weiss and Siegman play mildly supporting roles in kosher capers of this kind. Unfortunately, saying this might cross the line into 'anti-Semitism'. This charge renders the discussion Off Limits. Conversation closed. Censorship of this kind a Jewish ploy that's apparently respected by both Weiss and Seigman. They both decry 'anti-Semitism', even when it's well-earned.

    These tricks bring to mind the possibility that the entire Israel/Palestine 'peace process' has been a charade from the start. It's a canard took decades to unfold but it finally hatched. The hoax required massive interference, planning, delays, and strategic corruption by an army of Zionists. But they did their work. Now Trump is on their payroll.

    Meanwhile, an all-Jewish (or all-Zionist) debating society dominates our national discussion. This fact doesn't seem to bother either Weiss or Siegman.

    But so what if Siegman says that the two state solution is "dead and buried"? This is old news. Ditto on his demographic observations. The Palestinian struggle for 'equal rights' could similarly take forever.

    In less important news, not only has Palestine has been conquered, but the United States.

    How's that for a headline?

    Don't wait for Weiss or Siegman to break that story.

    Even though Weiss comes off as honest, ethical, and well-meaning, his Jewish identity clouds his judgement. This applies to Siegman as well.

    The ongoing problem of Jewish bias, Jewish media domination, and Jewish political subterfuge must not be ignored. Countless lives are at stake.

    What about including 9/11 itself to your list? I can’t imagine anything more likely to blow the lid off than the widespread exposure of that.

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  113. @biz
    For sure, dude. So isn't it stupid when people around here say that Israel is just like the Holocaust, as if that is something bad, because as you've so astutely pointed out, the Holocaust didn't actually happen!?

    Reading The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Jewish journalist Ilan Pappe reveals many, many awful methods and practises used against the Palestinians that were also ascribed to the Third Reich during WWII. I personally know some Jews who privately voice their shame over this but fear being ostracised if they speak out.

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  114. Surprise surprise. Yet another survivor of the holohoax.

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  115. @biz
    Whoopteedoo.

    People have been predicting the demographic and/or military and/or diplomatic demise of Israel constantly since 1948. Seigmann is just the latest limpdick on this bandwagon. Who fucking cares.

    At least before 1967 it wasn't completely nuts to think so. Back then Israel had no strategic depth, runaway inflation, and a lack of water. Even in the 70s, one could point to the UN equating Zionism with racism (back when the UN still mattered), and the existence of a Soviet superpower patron of various anti-Zionist causes.

    But in 2018, when Israel has a solid and steady Jewish majority, 16th in the world per capita GDP, military and scientific satellites in orbit, peace treaties along 80% of its international borders, and budding alliances with India and even Saudi Arabia, it is only fools who think that demise is imminent.

    You think that BDS activists on US and European college campuses will ride to your rescue? Puh-lease. They're a bunch of aspie Nazis and Islamists. It is clear in these hilarious comments right here exactly how much those two can do together, i.e. nothing. Nazis and Islamists couldn't even defeat Israel when it was the Mufti and Hitler, and you think Linda Sarsour and that closet case Spencer will?? Lol.

    Nazis and Islamists couldn’t even defeat Israel when it

    But lowly Hezbollah cleaned their clock.

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    In what universe did that happen? In this universe, Hezbollah lost thousands of fighters and had their headquarters in South Beirut bombed, and only survived at all because they hid behind their own civilian shields.
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  116. nickels says:

    More likely Israel will genocide the Palestinians and use their cuck American press and power to cover it up. They will continue to make it illegal to criticize them in the west, and threaten anyone else who challenges them with the might of cuck American force.

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  117. Wally says:
    @windwaves
    trivial: Adolf gave the jews their greatest weapon. Nobody, NOBODY, used a historical event as successfully as the jews. Profoundly disgusting but also very sad how the most powerful nation still today falls for it.

    It is not a matter of denying in my view, even though there is sufficient evidence it's been somewhat exaggerated; it is rather a question of historical justice whereby the killing of jews is no more disgusting then the killing of other "groups" (religious, ethnic whatever) just another proof of human evil.

    What “killing of Jews”?
    Tell us what ‘Adolf gave the Jews’.
    Was Hitler in power in 1869? *
    http://www.codoh.com

    * Jews have been lying about their ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869.http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

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  118. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry

    It’s unmistakeably Oriental in character – chaotic, shambolic, dirty, disorganized, expressive, human. It’s brittle, thin veneer of European technology, sustained by its tiny Ashkenazi sliver, is a fragile crust. Israel may have some great tech, but Bangkok feels more modern.
     
    Because cities like Tel Aviv were built up mainly in the 1950s, when the country was giant refugee camp without any money to spend beyond the military, while needing to construct housing for the absorption half its population as Arab Jewish refugees.

    All the Khrushchev slum buildings of this time, are decaying and collapsing in a African manner, which gives many city centers in Israel the build-atmosphere of a capital city in Nigeria or the Congo.

    But the current economic situation of the country is very different to what decaying 1950s Khrushchev slum buildings of the center of cities reflect. Skyscrapers and shiny new buildings, which reflect actual economic state of the country in 2018, are springing up like mushrooms after the rain. A short drive around the outskirts, where modern glass buildings are rising on undeveloped land, gives a totally different impression.

    And even somewhat newer cities where most buildings were put up in the 1980s, like Ashdod, are already in large parts very clean and modern.

    Sure, there are wealthy enclaves, in the soulless American style. West Bank settlement are also often quite nice, if soulless.

    But the sensibility just isn’t Western – and that’s a good thing, maybe the only good thing about Israel.

    You’re just not building a Western country when most of the population is an ancient part of the Middle East.

    Bangkok has old, chaotic, shambolic elements to it also, which make it atmospheric and interesting to visit, but it has also embraced modernity and the West more than Israel has, or at least that’s how it feels.

    Israel feels sort of disconnected from the world – Bangkok doesn’t.

    I think that’s cool about Israel, and is a ray of hope – eventually Israel will be absorbed into the larger Middle East, and it’s sharp, aggressive European element will gradually soften out and fade away.

    As a Russian, you don’t belong to that sharp element, and are part of the softening process :)

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    But the sensibility just isn’t Western – and that’s a good thing, maybe the only good thing about Israel.

    You’re just not building a Western country when most of the population is an ancient part of the Middle East.

    Bangkok has old, chaotic, shambolic elements to it also, which make it atmospheric and interesting to visit, but it has also embraced modernity and the West more than Israel has, or at least that’s how it feels.

    Israel feels sort of disconnected from the world – Bangkok doesn’t.

    I think that’s cool about Israel, and is a ray of hope – eventually Israel will be absorbed into the larger Middle East, and it’s sharp, aggressive European element will gradually soften out and fade away.

    As a Russian, you don’t belong to that sharp element, and are part of the softening process :)
     


    It’s only a matter of time before Israel gets absorbed into the ancient Middle East.

    The entire shaky edifice is incredibly fragile and geld together by its 25% Ashkenazi elite. 75% of the nation is already an integral part of the ancient Middle East, Iraqi and Yemeni Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druze, and Circassians.
     

    It sounds like you view the 'Oriental' or the Arabs Jews as some kind of scenic or picturesque Moroccan peasantry, that will dissolve into Ancient Middle Eastern ways.

    The majority younger Mizrahi generation are just Americanized, industrial proletariat, who are distinguied from European Jews just through having less taste (that probably would not be distinguished from Latino immigrants if they were transported to America).

    And the younger generation, of Arab (or Eastern) Jewish popular culture is just American hip hop or postmodern culture, with an Arabic beat.

    If I'm allowed to post music videos here (?) - this what the Arab (Eastern) Jewish culture is for the next generation
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuNnmzGi4Ao


    Sure, there are wealthy enclaves, in the soulless American style. West Bank settlement are also often quite nice, if soulless.
     
    It's not related to wealth. Tel Aviv is actually a wealthy city, but its buildings are shambolic mess of decayed Khrushchev-era slums, that are so badly falling apart, that looking at the constructions on many streets makes you think you are in an African city.

    The factor is nothing to do with current wealth or culture - but rather the time of historical development. (Most of the buildings in Tel Aviv were constructed in a rush and extreme, African level austerity).

    Ashdod is a much poorer city than most of Tel Aviv. But much of Ashdod is very clean, modern blocks and extremely precise planning (the reason is that large parts were built in the 1980s, with a more generous budget). The future of Israel is going to be more like Ashdod.

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  119. utu says:
    @Mark Green
    This was a frustrating article and a disappointing one.

    The Israeli 'occupation' that Weiss and Siegman lament goes far beyond Palestine. Have they not noticed?

    The incremental confiscation of Palestine is part of a larger political distortion which affects most of the Western world.

    Palestine may be 'the issue' but it's certainly not the whole story.

    Jewish privilege and Zionist tyranny are a global phenomena. Zionist activism has given us laws that limit speech as well as historic inquiry. New taboos have emerged. Corrosive double-standards have been implemented. And the manipulations don't end there.

    Like the phony, decades-long 'debate' in Israel (between Labor and Likud) surrounding the intermitable 'peace process', there are additional Jewish frauds involving Israel's regional adversaries. This is where US military might comes in. American power has been harnessed and unleashed under the direction of Zionists. This is the big story. But it's largely absent from Weiss's and Siegman's discourse.

    The Jewish fingerprints on Washington's crypto-Zionist wars (and unconditional support of Israel) are easy to see. But critically discussing 'Jewish Power' is taboo in America.

    Meanwhile, Zionist influence is rising still. Yet Weiss and Seigman ignore this troubling fact and focus instead on Israel's long-term demographic challenge as well as their preferred strategy for Palestinians to achieve 'equal rights' inside the Jewish state.

    Unfortunately, Israel has no compunction about treating non-Jews in Israel abominably. Israel also enjoys direct access to US military power. This spells more tyranny in the occupied territories and more Zio-American wars.

    Meanwhile, Weiss and Siegman make a prolonged fuss over Palestine, which is commendable but it's also 'too little, too late'. They ignore the problem of ruthless Zionists who will stop at nothing to further their tribal interests. Are Weiss and Siegman covering up?

    Siegman trashes Netanyahu, but it's global Jewry that is responsible for the tragedy in Palestine and the capture of Washington. He never goes there however. Inordinate international Jewish power goes examined.

    Indeed, the highly-cohesive Jewish community (of which they are both a part) has for decades orchestrated and rolled out boatloads of dubious news, misleading narratives, empty promises, libelous myths, sanitized history, hyped threats, preemptive assaults, and world-class chicanery. This deserves examination.

    The fraudulent, decades-long, Israel/Palestine 'peace process' is a stunning example of their head-spinning talent for deception.

    Yet Weiss and Seigman don't seem to make mention of this immense and dark political force.

    How can they miss it?

    Indeed, if Weiss and Seigman were to talk candidly about the Jewish malfeasance, Palestine might be one chapter only.

    What about the post 911, Zio-American wars that have ruined entire nations?--and the ones still being planned?

    When will Weiss and Siegman examine this bigger story which involves Zionist power inside Washington as well as other foreign capitals? Oversized Zionist influence (and the urge for Jewish supremacism) gives explanation to why there has never been a peace agreement involving Palestine. The Zionists are as powerful as they are cruel. They see these natives as genetic inferiors with whom they must never mix. The Zions therefore seek unconditional surrender and after that, transfer or expulsion. Segregation remains a core Israeli value.

    Finally, there is the matter of de facto Jewish censorship in America. This subject is also ignored by Siegman and Weiss.

    Indeed, when it comes to certain issues, we non-Jewish Americans have been dispossessed, marginalized and sent to the back of the American bus.

    There is the real problem of Jewish political power (and corruption) in Washington and beyond. By comparison, Russian influence is a hyped-up sideshow. Yet this modern myth endures.

    And there is also the matter of double-standards. Why may Jews express kinship and ethnic solidarity but not whites? This question deserves respectful examination. But don't expect that from Weiss or Siegman.

    Indeed, Seigman gives away his deep anti-white animus in his National Interest article that, according to Weiss, breaks new ground concerning the the long dead 'peace process'. But it's actually a collection stale news and mostly-familiar analysis. Weiss however is nutty about Siegman, saying that this eighty-something 'Holocaust survivor' should be America's next towering pundit.

    But while Siegman examines 'President Trump's Jerusalem Ploy' (moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Arab East Jerusalem) he tosses in this xenophobic nugget:

    "...Nor did Netanyahu utter a word of criticism of Trump's scandalous moral equivalence of the neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites in Charlottesville and those who turned out to condemn their hatred and violence". -The National Interest.

    What a total load. Is Siegman ignorant?--or just a hater of white Americans who wish to preserve their culture and history?

    To Siegman, the Virginia patriots who sought to preserve a statue of Robert E. Lee in a city park are neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, and 'racists'. What a crock--especially coming from a 'secular' (racial) Jew. Jewish insults and Jewish Hypocrisy never cease.

    Indeed, Siegman surely knows that most of the violence at Charlottesville came from shrieking, threatening, bussed-in, Antifa hatemongers. So why is his analysis so distorted? Might it be a product of his deep Jewish bias?

    Siegman also complains "how woefully uninformed are not only the American public, but our government officials and academics [concerning] realistic, on-the-ground conditions in Israel and in the the Palestinian occupied territories".

    But who is responsible for this ignorance? Trump? Hardly.

    This 'uninformed' condition among Americans has been decades in the making. It's a product of misleading headlines, omitted facts, and fake news that favors Israel. But it is the Zionists who dominate (and censor) American news and discourse. Please take a look in the mirror, Mr. Siegman.

    Siegman's distorted views give explanation to unwarranted significance of Israel in American life. It is a by-product of Jewish prejudice and Jewish supremacism.

    Zionist propaganda plays a key role in the picture. Zio-prop is designed to arouse feelings of guilt. This prompts reflexes, including the learned response of yielding to Jewish authority, withholding comment and denying the value of the white culture and white continuity.

    The fact that US media is largely in Jewish hands doesn't arouse a comment from Weiss or Siegman.

    Incredibly, Jewish media barons are depicting racial miscegenation in America as groovy, desirable, and progressive. In Israel, on the other hand, Arab/Jewish romance is taboo and invisible. Same tribe. Different message. How come?

    It can be argued that both Weiss and Siegman play mildly supporting roles in kosher capers of this kind. Unfortunately, saying this might cross the line into 'anti-Semitism'. This charge renders the discussion Off Limits. Conversation closed. Censorship of this kind a Jewish ploy that's apparently respected by both Weiss and Seigman. They both decry 'anti-Semitism', even when it's well-earned.

    These tricks bring to mind the possibility that the entire Israel/Palestine 'peace process' has been a charade from the start. It's a canard took decades to unfold but it finally hatched. The hoax required massive interference, planning, delays, and strategic corruption by an army of Zionists. But they did their work. Now Trump is on their payroll.

    Meanwhile, an all-Jewish (or all-Zionist) debating society dominates our national discussion. This fact doesn't seem to bother either Weiss or Siegman.

    But so what if Siegman says that the two state solution is "dead and buried"? This is old news. Ditto on his demographic observations. The Palestinian struggle for 'equal rights' could similarly take forever.

    In less important news, not only has Palestine has been conquered, but the United States.

    How's that for a headline?

    Don't wait for Weiss or Siegman to break that story.

    Even though Weiss comes off as honest, ethical, and well-meaning, his Jewish identity clouds his judgement. This applies to Siegman as well.

    The ongoing problem of Jewish bias, Jewish media domination, and Jewish political subterfuge must not be ignored. Countless lives are at stake.

    These tricks bring to mind the possibility that the entire Israel/Palestine ‘peace process’ has been a charade from the start.

    Not a possibility, but certainty.

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  120. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe i have missed something but where is that great imagination that so often accompanies high IQ in Jews? Maybe it is too much to expect of the octogenarian hero of this article but what is lacking is a discussion of what constitutional arrangements might be made in a state with a likely Palestinian majority to ensure Jews cpuld remsin comfortable and not suffer discrimination in Israel. There are plenty of ways in which the tyranny of the majority might be guarded against but in the end supreme judicature would be needed together with the mens to ensure its judgments prevailed. Maybe resort to outside bodies like tthe European. Court offf Justice or the International Court at the Hague with guarsntees from each of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council of positive action to support judgments would have to be considered.

    Why should the Palestinian majority be seen as a dead weight (when no worse)? The high level performaances in Israel’s academe, economy and IDF are largely the product of its high IQ Ashkenazi descended population, or at all events, a small minority of Jews. The supposed average IQ in Israel of about 93 supports that view. Maybe future subdidies from the US would have to be, most sensibly, directed to making welfare state democracy workable by ensuring that modern prosperous democracies’ problem of preventing the population’s 200 per cent sense of entitlement does not overwhelm the state in populist friction and greed when the the 100 per cent which is reality and the 100 per cent which is potential remain far apart from the complacent sense of entitlement..

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    Israel has no written constitution.

    More than you want to know about it here:

    http://knesset.gov.il/constitution/ConstIntro_eng.htm
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  121. Dmitry says:
    @AaronB
    Sure, there are wealthy enclaves, in the soulless American style. West Bank settlement are also often quite nice, if soulless.

    But the sensibility just isn't Western - and that's a good thing, maybe the only good thing about Israel.

    You're just not building a Western country when most of the population is an ancient part of the Middle East.

    Bangkok has old, chaotic, shambolic elements to it also, which make it atmospheric and interesting to visit, but it has also embraced modernity and the West more than Israel has, or at least that's how it feels.

    Israel feels sort of disconnected from the world - Bangkok doesn't.

    I think that's cool about Israel, and is a ray of hope - eventually Israel will be absorbed into the larger Middle East, and it's sharp, aggressive European element will gradually soften out and fade away.

    As a Russian, you don't belong to that sharp element, and are part of the softening process :)

    But the sensibility just isn’t Western – and that’s a good thing, maybe the only good thing about Israel.

    You’re just not building a Western country when most of the population is an ancient part of the Middle East.

    Bangkok has old, chaotic, shambolic elements to it also, which make it atmospheric and interesting to visit, but it has also embraced modernity and the West more than Israel has, or at least that’s how it feels.

    Israel feels sort of disconnected from the world – Bangkok doesn’t.

    I think that’s cool about Israel, and is a ray of hope – eventually Israel will be absorbed into the larger Middle East, and it’s sharp, aggressive European element will gradually soften out and fade away.

    As a Russian, you don’t belong to that sharp element, and are part of the softening process :)

    It’s only a matter of time before Israel gets absorbed into the ancient Middle East.

    The entire shaky edifice is incredibly fragile and geld together by its 25% Ashkenazi elite. 75% of the nation is already an integral part of the ancient Middle East, Iraqi and Yemeni Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druze, and Circassians.

    It sounds like you view the ‘Oriental’ or the Arabs Jews as some kind of scenic or picturesque Moroccan peasantry, that will dissolve into Ancient Middle Eastern ways.

    The majority younger Mizrahi generation are just Americanized, industrial proletariat, who are distinguied from European Jews just through having less taste (that probably would not be distinguished from Latino immigrants if they were transported to America).

    And the younger generation, of Arab (or Eastern) Jewish popular culture is just American hip hop or postmodern culture, with an Arabic beat.

    If I’m allowed to post music videos here (?) – this what the Arab (Eastern) Jewish culture is for the next generation

    Sure, there are wealthy enclaves, in the soulless American style. West Bank settlement are also often quite nice, if soulless.

    It’s not related to wealth. Tel Aviv is actually a wealthy city, but its buildings are shambolic mess of decayed Khrushchev-era slums, that are so badly falling apart, that looking at the constructions on many streets makes you think you are in an African city.

    The factor is nothing to do with current wealth or culture – but rather the time of historical development. (Most of the buildings in Tel Aviv were constructed in a rush and extreme, African level austerity).

    Ashdod is a much poorer city than most of Tel Aviv. But much of Ashdod is very clean, modern blocks and extremely precise planning (the reason is that large parts were built in the 1980s, with a more generous budget). The future of Israel is going to be more like Ashdod.

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    Of course, Israeli Arabs, Jew or not, become hideous under Americanized culture. Happens in America too. It's a thin veneer. Take away the artificial Europeans crust, it'll fall away naturally.

    European cities are quite a bit older than Tel Aviv, as is Bangkok. The Jewish quarter in Jerusalem, populated mainly by American Ashkenazi Jews, is clean and nice - and hideously dull.

    It really is about a different sensibility. If the Dutch lived in Tel Aviv, it would look completely different.

    The average Israeli is much poorer than the average person in the UK, and the country feels a million times more run down and less modern. GDP reflects massive inequality, worse than in America. Which is what your expect in a country heavily influenced by American Jews .

    The future of Israel may be Ashdod - tiny super wealthy enclaves, hideously dull and sanitized, in a sea of Middle Eastern chaos.

    As life become dull and materialistic under the neoliberal regime that is creating Ashdod's and driving inequality, morale declines, and there is an increasing reliance on technology to fight wars.

    I cannot tell you how many unhappy and disaffected Israelis I meet abroad.

    With America in terminal decline, the fragile, artificial entity, brittle at its core, will be absorbed into the region.
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  122. @BasicE
    As attractive as many of the ideas on this site are, its obsession with archaic European crackpot Jew-hatred will always keep it marginal. Nonetheless: 1) There was a Holocaust. 2) The positive effects of the elimination of the state of Israel would be absolutely none; there would simply be one more catastrophic failure of an Arab Muslim state. and, finally 3) The Jews, as a group, whoever they are, do not control the world, although a disproportionate amount of people of Jewish ancestry, but hardly any with any sense of themselves as Jewish, are among the world's power players, but do not constitute a majority, or even much a minority. Some, such as Soros, actively hate Israel and Judaism in general; almost all the rest are indifferent to it except in a vague sentimental way.

    As attractive as many of the ideas on this site are, its obsession with archaic European crackpot Jew-hatred will always keep it marginal.

    Talk about obsession with archaic crackpot hatred, I think anti-goyim belongs on the list along with paranoia, probably based on guilt and projection.

    Here’s some more crackpot hatred to obsess over. Oh, I forgot, hatred is OK for the “chosen” apparently.

    “Hate the Gentile!” Israel’s Racist Rabbis, by JONATHAN COOK

    “”Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”
    Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.”According to Yosef, death has “no dominion” over non-Jews in Israel.

    “Hate the Gentile!” Israel’s Racist Rabbis, by JONATHAN COOK

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/israel-s-racist-rabbis/

    Take your hatred and stick it. Better yet, clean up your own act first. Yeah, I know it’s easier to whine and play the victim card.

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  123. From another good article by PW.

    The crowd loved the presentation, but I found it embarrassing. Here is a liberal synagogue in New York performing acrobatic tricks of Nigerian and Russian whatabouttery to try and diminish the human rights abuses that are being done in our name, as Jews, and approved by our government, as Americans, under the pressure of the Israel lobby. That’s why the young Jews are succumbing. Because they know this racket is the Jewish cosa nostra — our thing — and they want no part of it going forward.

    -Philip Weiss , A Jewish ‘sickness’: Israeli journalist explains young American Jews’ support for Palestinians

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/sickness-journalist-palestinians/

    The gangster state of Israel is a backward anachronism that exists only because of the stupidity of the US government and is fast becoming extinct. Only useful idiots support it in any way. Bye bye and good riddance..

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  124. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark Green
    This was a frustrating article and a disappointing one.

    The Israeli 'occupation' that Weiss and Siegman lament goes far beyond Palestine. Have they not noticed?

    The incremental confiscation of Palestine is part of a larger political distortion which affects most of the Western world.

    Palestine may be 'the issue' but it's certainly not the whole story.

    Jewish privilege and Zionist tyranny are a global phenomena. Zionist activism has given us laws that limit speech as well as historic inquiry. New taboos have emerged. Corrosive double-standards have been implemented. And the manipulations don't end there.

    Like the phony, decades-long 'debate' in Israel (between Labor and Likud) surrounding the intermitable 'peace process', there are additional Jewish frauds involving Israel's regional adversaries. This is where US military might comes in. American power has been harnessed and unleashed under the direction of Zionists. This is the big story. But it's largely absent from Weiss's and Siegman's discourse.

    The Jewish fingerprints on Washington's crypto-Zionist wars (and unconditional support of Israel) are easy to see. But critically discussing 'Jewish Power' is taboo in America.

    Meanwhile, Zionist influence is rising still. Yet Weiss and Seigman ignore this troubling fact and focus instead on Israel's long-term demographic challenge as well as their preferred strategy for Palestinians to achieve 'equal rights' inside the Jewish state.

    Unfortunately, Israel has no compunction about treating non-Jews in Israel abominably. Israel also enjoys direct access to US military power. This spells more tyranny in the occupied territories and more Zio-American wars.

    Meanwhile, Weiss and Siegman make a prolonged fuss over Palestine, which is commendable but it's also 'too little, too late'. They ignore the problem of ruthless Zionists who will stop at nothing to further their tribal interests. Are Weiss and Siegman covering up?

    Siegman trashes Netanyahu, but it's global Jewry that is responsible for the tragedy in Palestine and the capture of Washington. He never goes there however. Inordinate international Jewish power goes examined.

    Indeed, the highly-cohesive Jewish community (of which they are both a part) has for decades orchestrated and rolled out boatloads of dubious news, misleading narratives, empty promises, libelous myths, sanitized history, hyped threats, preemptive assaults, and world-class chicanery. This deserves examination.

    The fraudulent, decades-long, Israel/Palestine 'peace process' is a stunning example of their head-spinning talent for deception.

    Yet Weiss and Seigman don't seem to make mention of this immense and dark political force.

    How can they miss it?

    Indeed, if Weiss and Seigman were to talk candidly about the Jewish malfeasance, Palestine might be one chapter only.

    What about the post 911, Zio-American wars that have ruined entire nations?--and the ones still being planned?

    When will Weiss and Siegman examine this bigger story which involves Zionist power inside Washington as well as other foreign capitals? Oversized Zionist influence (and the urge for Jewish supremacism) gives explanation to why there has never been a peace agreement involving Palestine. The Zionists are as powerful as they are cruel. They see these natives as genetic inferiors with whom they must never mix. The Zions therefore seek unconditional surrender and after that, transfer or expulsion. Segregation remains a core Israeli value.

    Finally, there is the matter of de facto Jewish censorship in America. This subject is also ignored by Siegman and Weiss.

    Indeed, when it comes to certain issues, we non-Jewish Americans have been dispossessed, marginalized and sent to the back of the American bus.

    There is the real problem of Jewish political power (and corruption) in Washington and beyond. By comparison, Russian influence is a hyped-up sideshow. Yet this modern myth endures.

    And there is also the matter of double-standards. Why may Jews express kinship and ethnic solidarity but not whites? This question deserves respectful examination. But don't expect that from Weiss or Siegman.

    Indeed, Seigman gives away his deep anti-white animus in his National Interest article that, according to Weiss, breaks new ground concerning the the long dead 'peace process'. But it's actually a collection stale news and mostly-familiar analysis. Weiss however is nutty about Siegman, saying that this eighty-something 'Holocaust survivor' should be America's next towering pundit.

    But while Siegman examines 'President Trump's Jerusalem Ploy' (moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Arab East Jerusalem) he tosses in this xenophobic nugget:

    "...Nor did Netanyahu utter a word of criticism of Trump's scandalous moral equivalence of the neo-Nazis, racists and anti-Semites in Charlottesville and those who turned out to condemn their hatred and violence". -The National Interest.

    What a total load. Is Siegman ignorant?--or just a hater of white Americans who wish to preserve their culture and history?

    To Siegman, the Virginia patriots who sought to preserve a statue of Robert E. Lee in a city park are neo-Nazis, anti-Semites, and 'racists'. What a crock--especially coming from a 'secular' (racial) Jew. Jewish insults and Jewish Hypocrisy never cease.

    Indeed, Siegman surely knows that most of the violence at Charlottesville came from shrieking, threatening, bussed-in, Antifa hatemongers. So why is his analysis so distorted? Might it be a product of his deep Jewish bias?

    Siegman also complains "how woefully uninformed are not only the American public, but our government officials and academics [concerning] realistic, on-the-ground conditions in Israel and in the the Palestinian occupied territories".

    But who is responsible for this ignorance? Trump? Hardly.

    This 'uninformed' condition among Americans has been decades in the making. It's a product of misleading headlines, omitted facts, and fake news that favors Israel. But it is the Zionists who dominate (and censor) American news and discourse. Please take a look in the mirror, Mr. Siegman.

    Siegman's distorted views give explanation to unwarranted significance of Israel in American life. It is a by-product of Jewish prejudice and Jewish supremacism.

    Zionist propaganda plays a key role in the picture. Zio-prop is designed to arouse feelings of guilt. This prompts reflexes, including the learned response of yielding to Jewish authority, withholding comment and denying the value of the white culture and white continuity.

    The fact that US media is largely in Jewish hands doesn't arouse a comment from Weiss or Siegman.

    Incredibly, Jewish media barons are depicting racial miscegenation in America as groovy, desirable, and progressive. In Israel, on the other hand, Arab/Jewish romance is taboo and invisible. Same tribe. Different message. How come?

    It can be argued that both Weiss and Siegman play mildly supporting roles in kosher capers of this kind. Unfortunately, saying this might cross the line into 'anti-Semitism'. This charge renders the discussion Off Limits. Conversation closed. Censorship of this kind a Jewish ploy that's apparently respected by both Weiss and Seigman. They both decry 'anti-Semitism', even when it's well-earned.

    These tricks bring to mind the possibility that the entire Israel/Palestine 'peace process' has been a charade from the start. It's a canard took decades to unfold but it finally hatched. The hoax required massive interference, planning, delays, and strategic corruption by an army of Zionists. But they did their work. Now Trump is on their payroll.

    Meanwhile, an all-Jewish (or all-Zionist) debating society dominates our national discussion. This fact doesn't seem to bother either Weiss or Siegman.

    But so what if Siegman says that the two state solution is "dead and buried"? This is old news. Ditto on his demographic observations. The Palestinian struggle for 'equal rights' could similarly take forever.

    In less important news, not only has Palestine has been conquered, but the United States.

    How's that for a headline?

    Don't wait for Weiss or Siegman to break that story.

    Even though Weiss comes off as honest, ethical, and well-meaning, his Jewish identity clouds his judgement. This applies to Siegman as well.

    The ongoing problem of Jewish bias, Jewish media domination, and Jewish political subterfuge must not be ignored. Countless lives are at stake.

    Weiss has written an interesting article which doesn’t deal with all the issues thst interest you. You seem to be capable of writing grammatical prose at length. Why don’t you write your own article?

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    asked:

    Why don’t you write your own article?
     
    answered:

    Jewish privilege and Zionist tyranny are a global phenomena. Zionist activism has given us laws that limit speech as well as historic inquiry. New taboos have emerged. Corrosive double-standards have been implemented. And the manipulations don't end there.
     
    How many Zionists are in jail for speaking out on historical facts?
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  125. RobinG says:
    @renfro
    I am a 2 stater for practical reasons....Israel should have never been created to begin with--but since it exist dismantling it now would throw 8 million Jews on the world to deal with again.
    No country wants to have to take in more Jews ....so unlikely they will dismantle Israel.

    Israel gets half of its water supply from the west bank for instance---take it out of the west bank and Israelis will get very thirsty....and Palestines will get back the water wells and supplies that are rightfully theirs. As it stands now Israel takes the Palestine water and sells back to them what Israelis don't use. The Palestines could enrich themselves selling water to Israel instead.

    I would be happy at this point to push Israel back to UN 1948 borders--even happier to see all Jews sent to Israel ---Trump could build sky scrapers to house them all in.

    The Israelis are locust, they denude the land of nature resources wherever they go for short term gains and gluttony.....Israel cant sustain itself now even with all they steal....pushed back to original borders it would soon consume itself and become nothing but a jewish commune .

    Jewish Israelis don’t have to go anywhere. They can stay in a non-racist Palestine. Many will.

    “Two-state solution” is nothing practical, it’s the carrot of false hope that’s been dangled for decades. It’s no longer viable, if it ever was.

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  126. jtl170 says:

    “If after what undoubtedly would be a long and bitter anti-apartheid struggle Palestinians prevail, they will be in the clear majority. Having established the principle that the majority can impose on the minority the religious and cultural identity of the State, Israel will not be in a strong position to deny Palestinians that same right. That will lead in time to a significant exodus of Israel’s Jews.”

    This is a perfect illustration of why liberalism can only exist within an illiberal framework. Israel can exist as the ME’s only true democracy, with intellectual freedom and rights for women and homosexuals, only so long as it excludes masses of Muslim Arabs who would vote those freedoms away. As the old joke about post-colonial Third World democracy goes, “One man, one vote, one time.” Israel’s illiberal, self-defined ethnic character, dominated by Jews of European descent, allows it to flourish as a bastion of advanced civilization surrounded by backward Arab barbarism.

    “A state that fast-tracks citizenship through government-sponsored religious conversion to Judaism, as Israel’s government now does, cannot for long hide that it privileges its Jewish citizens—just as the United States could not have claimed to be a democracy if conversion to Christianity were a path to U.S. citizenship.”

    Perhaps the U.S. would be better off if it did enact such a policy. It certainly could have prevented a number of Islamic terrorist attacks, not to mention conserved enormous military and law enforcement resources. Then, of course, there is the error of presuming that a country can only be a democracy if it abandons any pretense of ethnic, cultural or religious character and affords full rights to non-citizens.

    No doubt little Israel would be eradicated by granting full democratic rights to the surrounding Muslim Arabs. And it likely would not stop at political neutralization; note the following passage from the Hadith: “Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind the rocks and the trees, but the rocks and the trees will say: Oh Muslim , oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.” Islam takes a similarly dim view of Christians, Hindus, Zoroastrians and other groups. Perhaps there is a lesson for the U.S. here.

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    Hadith is to the Koran is as the Talmud is to the Torah, except that in Islam, there is a major schism between those that refute and reject the Hadith, Moslems, and those that accept it, takfiri heretics. In 'judaism' (a made-up word meaning nothing intrinsically), this schism has NOT occurred, and the extremist leadership runs the ideological collective.

    Islam respects all men as equal under a supreme being, whether they are in the house (i.e. Moslem) or not in the house. Torah-Talmudism is based on absolute rejection of the universality of people under the supreme being, self-recognizing only their common adherents as 'chosen' and worthy of and in receipt of the blessing and favour of the higher being.

    How truly pathetic is that? (very truly pathetic, it seems to me).

    All 'jews' should actually read the talmud, and then make up their minds whether they want to include themselves with with an affiliation for which systemic hatred is the basis for their identity.
    Many decent people would leave the value-proposition (favourable rights, i.e. more, and responsibilities i.e. less) and publicly disassociate themselves from these global gangsters.

    read "The Controversy of Zion" by Douglas Reed
    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    please, if you love this planet, encourage everyone you know, nicely, and politely, to read this book!
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  127. llloyd says: • Website
    @OilcanFloyd
    The claim that Israel is an Apartheid state is definitely bogus. Israel is far worse! The South Africans simply wanted a two or three tiered racial system, rather than an Israeli-type ethno-state. The white government also never attacked blacks with tanks, attack aircraft or missile.

    Apartheid was many giant steps up from the state of Israel.

    The white South Africans mostly treated the non whites in a kind paternal way. That may explain the historic lack of hatred of black people towards whites in South Africa. That is changing now as actual lived through experience is being replaced by anti white school indoctrination.

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  128. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    Excepts Jews want to deny Euro-whites the same 'homeland' that Jews insist upon.

    Jews support strict Israeli immigration laws which mandate JEWS ONLY, while demanding massive low IQ, 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    Another point I'll mention, you said:

    "within a few years of Hitler’s ferocity their tiny state was formed"

    What ferocity?
    There was no '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and you cannot prove there was.
    But then Zionists are not known for honesty.

    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Let’s assume you’re right. No mass murder of Jews. Milllions were still expelled from their homes, lost their belongings, etc. You’d have to be an idiot to think that there wouldn’t be a Jewish State at the end of the war. If you want to blame someone for that, try blaming the Nazis.

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    "Let’s assume you’re right. No mass murder of Jews. Milllions were still expelled from their homes, lost their belongings, etc. You’d have to be an idiot to think that there wouldn’t be a Jewish State at the end of the war. If you want to blame someone for that, try blaming the Nazis."

    I've clearly rung your bell. Good.
    What you are talking about is nothing that the Allies didn't do. Hence the need for Jews to try again* their absurdly fake & impossible '6M Jews & gas chambers' nonsense so that they could be seen as special & unique, therefore 'Israel' just had to be stolen for them.

    * Jews had been pushing the fake '6M' since at least 1869.

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    Jews: the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I do not want to interfere in your quarrel. But I do not know if you are aware that it was Jewish leadership of unions led by two Jews Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxenburgh. That caused the defeat of German army in WW1
    This fact is taboo in western press.
    German Army was furious.
    German population was furious.
    .............................................................
    And Hitler wanted only Jews to export out from Germany.
    There were no takers.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I do wonder if you read Erik Maria Remarque: All quiet on western front.
    If you did not I do strongly recommend it to read it.
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  129. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anony-mouse
    1/ The Jewish population of Israel is about 8 times what it was in 1948. No doubt there were people predicting an exodus then too. And also over the almost 70 years since.

    2/ Apparently I'm the only one here who reads iSteve articles. Like this one:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/jewish-fertility-in-the-jewish-state-continues-to-soar/

    3/ '... Jewish liberals would not recognize Israel. ..' The percentage of Jewish liberals who have not been to Israel/have no relatives or friends living in Israel is very small.

    4/ '...Its culture is shaped by the brutality of disenfranchising people on a racial basis...' Doesn't Phil Weiss repeatedly refer to Mizrachi Jews as 'Arab Jews'. If Arabs brutalize Arabs are they doing it on a 'racial basis'?

    5/ '... Siegman is a great leader...' Doesn't a leader need folowers? Who are they? What's the name of the group?

    6/ Phil Weiss is over 60. Siegman is almost 90. Why is it that Unz.com keeps getting old men to write apocalyptic predictions? And not just on this subject. Is this some kind of weird brain problem I'll have to deal with?

    Why is it that Unz.com keeps getting old men to write apocalyptic predictions?

    “Apocalyptic predictions” are Weiss’s stock in trade. He’s in competition with Bibi — Weiss emotes breathlessly on the latest final solution as often as Bibi says Iran is 2 years away from Da Bomb.

    . Fish gotta swim —

    PS Nobody wants the Jews today just like nobody wanted the Jews in 1933 when Brandeis & Jabotinsky scared them out of Germany.

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    “Apocalyptic predictions” are Weiss’s stock in trade. He’s in competition with Bibi —
     
    I don't know about the former, but in the latter's case it must be genetic.
    , @jilles dykstra
    No idea what Brandeis and Jabotinsky did in this respect.
    Hitler's measures against jews were such that anyone who could leave did it.
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  130. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Weiss has written an interesting article which doesn't deal with all the issues thst interest you. You seem to be capable of writing grammatical prose at length. Why don't you write your own article?

    asked:

    Why don’t you write your own article?

    answered:

    Jewish privilege and Zionist tyranny are a global phenomena. Zionist activism has given us laws that limit speech as well as historic inquiry. New taboos have emerged. Corrosive double-standards have been implemented. And the manipulations don’t end there.

    How many Zionists are in jail for speaking out on historical facts?

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  131. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Let’s assume you’re right. No mass murder of Jews. Milllions were still expelled from their homes, lost their belongings, etc. You’d have to be an idiot to think that there wouldn’t be a Jewish State at the end of the war. If you want to blame someone for that, try blaming the Nazis.

    “Let’s assume you’re right. No mass murder of Jews. Milllions were still expelled from their homes, lost their belongings, etc. You’d have to be an idiot to think that there wouldn’t be a Jewish State at the end of the war. If you want to blame someone for that, try blaming the Nazis.”

    I’ve clearly rung your bell. Good.
    What you are talking about is nothing that the Allies didn’t do. Hence the need for Jews to try again* their absurdly fake & impossible ’6M Jews & gas chambers’ nonsense so that they could be seen as special & unique, therefore ‘Israel’ just had to be stolen for them.

    * Jews had been pushing the fake ’6M’ since at least 1869.

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    Jews: the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral
    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    The British had recommended partition in 1937, before the war had even started. There was going to be a Jewish State. What Hitler and the Nazis did was make sure it happened sooner and that it would have far more support, including among Jews. And that would have happened whether Jews had been killed or not because of how Hitler and the Nazis treated Jews and how well organized the Jews were. If the Crimean Tatars were as well organized, they might have gotten a State out of it too.
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  132. RobinG says:
    @JNDillard
    1) Sometime this year Palestine will go to the UN Security Council and get a vote on statehood, which will be vetoed by the US. To its embarrassment and intense anger, the US will have no supporters, just like the vote on the move of its embassy to Jerusalem; 2) Palestine will then take its claim to statehood to the UN General Assembly, where it will be overwhelmingly passed, and Palestine will then have full rights as a state to take its claims of victimization by Israel to the World Court; 3) It will do so; 4) Outraged, the US and Israel will attempt to strike out, the US by further sanctioning and cutting off funds to the Palestine Authority, Palestinians in various refugee camps throughout the ME administered by the UN (in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc.) (Unlike various fear mongers, I view the threat of war with Iran or Russia highly unlikely because a) those states are not going to instigate it; b) the world now is hypersensitive to both false flags and color revolutions; and c) the militaries of the US and Israel both know they cannot and will not win such wars against such opponents. There is much data to document that conclusion); 5) this will radicalize Jordan in particular because it will fear uprisings from its huge Palestinian population who no longer will have basic survival needs met. In addition, the decades old bargain will have been broken: "I will police Palestinians for Israel and ignore apartheid if you bribe me sufficiently;" 6) looking for new funding sources, Palestine and Jordan will turn to the East Asian Economic Union (Russia and China and Iran, etc.) and possibly even the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a military/mutual security organization, among other things (Russia, China, Iran, etc.); 7) this will give Palestine the economic security, through association with One Belt One Road, and Chinese financing, to press for a one-state solution, which really is the only current possibility anyway, since the two state solution has been exposed as the ruse it always was: 8) International mediation will be headed by Russia, which will be a nightmare for Israel, because Putin is on record as an enforcer of all UN resolutions regarding Palestine/Israel; 9) the Palestinians will offer the Israelis generous terms: you keep your property and presence, we get the right of return and you pay us rent; 10) the Israelis, outraged, will refuse; 11) at some point, if the Israelis don't exercise their "Sampson Option" and blow the world up first,  the International Court of Justice will force a settlement, which will mean that those Jews who don't decide to emigrate will remain in Palestine, but as a demographic minority within a democratic state with a Moslem majority. Once they get used to the reality that maybe they aren't so exceptional after all, and that other humans have rights too, they will find it is not bad, just as centuries and centuries and centuries of Jews have found out before, about living in majority Islamic countries. However, this new arrangement will be much better, because the behavior of the majority Moslems will be subject to International Law, which it never was before. It will take 20-30 years for this scenario to play out, but that is comparatively short compared to the 70-100 years of violation of International law by Jews in Palestine, depending on how you want to look at it. And at some point the US, following the EU, will have to buy in to "One Belt One Road," because it has already won the contest for superior economic model on the international stage. Follow the money. This is a very good thing, because it means the end of empire and the movement to a multi-polar world, and the dampening down of virulent strains of tribalism and exceptionalism.

    Nice, but I don’t think it will take as long as you suggest.

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  133. @anarchyst
    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not "add up"...

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the "yellow Star of David" armband so that they could be easily identified.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE "KANGAROO COURTS" THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you "holocaust ™" promoters--why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and "disease"--"holocaust ™ " "transference syndrome. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish "holocaust ™" survivors are infected with this "disease" and should also be considered "holocaust ™" survivors, eligible for "holocaust ™" reparations".

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews' declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a "gas chamber" chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these "camps".

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the "chimney" for the supposed "gas chamber" does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were "liberated" by the "allies", the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be "liberated" by the Russian "allies".

    I urge those "holocaust ™" believers to check these things out for yourselves--IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find...

    ” Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . . ”

    Wrong, he admitted not believing in gas chambers, and spent three years in an Austrian prison.

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    You are correct. However, in another trial, he was forced to recant certain TRUTHS about the "jewish holocaust ™"
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  134. @anon

    Why is it that Unz.com keeps getting old men to write apocalyptic predictions?
     
    "Apocalyptic predictions" are Weiss's stock in trade. He's in competition with Bibi -- Weiss emotes breathlessly on the latest final solution as often as Bibi says Iran is 2 years away from Da Bomb.

    . Fish gotta swim ---

    PS Nobody wants the Jews today just like nobody wanted the Jews in 1933 when Brandeis & Jabotinsky scared them out of Germany.

    “Apocalyptic predictions” are Weiss’s stock in trade. He’s in competition with Bibi —

    I don’t know about the former, but in the latter’s case it must be genetic.

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  135. @Vickpm
    Siegeman is right that the two state 'solution' is dead but his conclusions are foolish. Siegeman has been duped by the anti Netanyahu anti Zionist cult marxist clique that festers in the media and academic dens. They've been predicting the demise of the Zionist enterprise since before the establishment of the Jewish state. At the same time the emergence of an 'enlightened' arab polity would be helpful. An arab representative puppet state could be set up in Gaza and sign a peace treaty with Israel and eliminate irredentist arab elements and issue passports and house an arab legislature. Also acknowledge the right of Jews to settle anywhere in the historic Jewish homeland. A model to be followed would be what I call the other I-P problem that being India - Pakistan. Remember that India was partitioned into Hindu and muselmani states. India invaded and conquered East Pakistan withdrawing only after setting up a puppet state Bangladesh. That puppet was required to execute a 25 year treaty with India ending all hostilities against India and prohibiting relations with any country hostile to the Indians hegemony. The same should be required of any Arab entity/puppet that emerges in Gaza. Peace treaty with Israel and absolutely no relations with any country that is hostile to Israel. This should put an end to the anti Israel cult marx idea of an arab 'Paleztine'.

    Your plan is very good to use in your kitchen. For this issue there is something called UN and dozen of resolutions to be respected, followed, applied. You know, that same organisation that created that thing that now split ‘solutions’ aside from it.

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    Forget the UN. The UN breaches international law especially concerning Israel and Arab states. International law supports the Gaza region set up for those irredentist Arabs who want to keep fighting the reality of Israel. Better to maintain the treaties between Israel Egypt Jordan and build on that basis. Those treaties were established outside UN auspices and have been beneficial. There is no UN track record anywhere for resolving conflicts. Look at India-Pakistan Kashmir Ireland Turkey Cyprus Syria Iraq Iran.... Who are you trying to kid? IN did absolutely nothing to resolve those conflicts.
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  136. Agora says: • Website

    Was it the first religion with only one God ? Yes, so the next ones are “derivated” ones, like childs, it’s a simple problem between children are then parents :)

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    Was it the first religion with only one God ? Yes,
     
    No. Flat wrong on the facts.

    Egyptians posited One God before Hebrews.

    Most of Hebrew mythology/'theology' is derivative.

    According to wikipedia, Egyptian notion of One God arose in reign of Akhenaten, ~1370 - 1330 BC.

    Also according to wikipedia, Abraham, originator of the Hebrew idea of One God --

    The Abraham story cannot be definitively related to any specific time, and it is widely agreed that the patriarchal age, along with the exodus and the period of the judges, is a late literary construct that does not relate to any period in actual history.[4] A common hypothesis among scholars is that it was composed in the early Persian period (late 6th century BCE) as a result of tensions between Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian captivity and traced their right to the land through their "father Abraham", and the returning exiles who based their counter-claim on Moses and the Exodus tradition.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham
     
    Jewish Virtual Library claims that Abraham lived "c. 1813 - 1638 BC" or within a 200-year range 300 years before Akhnaten.

    Operations like JVL are the essence of "fitting the facts to the narrative."
    Moreover, if it was Abraham's idee fixes to claim that he originated the idea; that all other notions about god, including those of his father and relatives as well as the "star gazers" (i.e. the Graeco-Persian astrologers who understood navigation by the stars before Abraham's time), and

    Abraham gave himself not only the right but also the duty to either convert or destroy anyone who did not share his "original insight," then the whole concept of being first is as suspect as the claim that the thoughts emanating from his brain were superior to study of nature and devising theories based on patterns observed in nature.

    We know that the stars conform to certain patterns that can be observed and are fairly consistent.

    The same cannot be said of Abraham or of Jewish Virtual Library.
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  137. Was it the first religion with only one God ? Yes…

    Valid citation, please.

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    It was not.
    A pharao created sun worship, the ruins of Heliopolis still exist.
    The religion failed.
    It is suggested that Moses was a priest in Heliopolis.
    If so, he did better than the pharao, if Moses existed.
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  138. biz says:
    @Carroll Price

    Nazis and Islamists couldn’t even defeat Israel when it
     
    But lowly Hezbollah cleaned their clock.

    In what universe did that happen? In this universe, Hezbollah lost thousands of fighters and had their headquarters in South Beirut bombed, and only survived at all because they hid behind their own civilian shields.

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  139. @jacques sheete

    You use “apartheid” like it’s a bad word.
     
    In this context it is, especially since the usual suspects are always yapping and howling about being excluded by "anti-Semites."

    IOW, in this case, it represents a double standard, no matter how special the "chosen ones" think they are.

    IOW, in this case, it represents a double standard, no matter how special the “chosen ones” think they are.

    In my view, Semites are Semites are Semites. Japhetites are more nuanced.

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    In my view, Semites are Semites are Semites.
     
    Well, maybe.

    Are Ashkenazim Semites? If so, on what basis?
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  140. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Agora
    Was it the first religion with only one God ? Yes, so the next ones are "derivated" ones, like childs, it's a simple problem between children are then parents :)

    Was it the first religion with only one God ? Yes,

    No. Flat wrong on the facts.

    Egyptians posited One God before Hebrews.

    Most of Hebrew mythology/’theology’ is derivative.

    According to wikipedia, Egyptian notion of One God arose in reign of Akhenaten, ~1370 – 1330 BC.

    Also according to wikipedia, Abraham, originator of the Hebrew idea of One God –

    The Abraham story cannot be definitively related to any specific time, and it is widely agreed that the patriarchal age, along with the exodus and the period of the judges, is a late literary construct that does not relate to any period in actual history.[4] A common hypothesis among scholars is that it was composed in the early Persian period (late 6th century BCE) as a result of tensions between Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian captivity and traced their right to the land through their “father Abraham”, and the returning exiles who based their counter-claim on Moses and the Exodus tradition.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

    Jewish Virtual Library claims that Abraham lived “c. 1813 – 1638 BC” or within a 200-year range 300 years before Akhnaten.

    Operations like JVL are the essence of “fitting the facts to the narrative.”
    Moreover, if it was Abraham’s idee fixes to claim that he originated the idea; that all other notions about god, including those of his father and relatives as well as the “star gazers” (i.e. the Graeco-Persian astrologers who understood navigation by the stars before Abraham’s time), and

    Abraham gave himself not only the right but also the duty to either convert or destroy anyone who did not share his “original insight,” then the whole concept of being first is as suspect as the claim that the thoughts emanating from his brain were superior to study of nature and devising theories based on patterns observed in nature.

    We know that the stars conform to certain patterns that can be observed and are fairly consistent.

    The same cannot be said of Abraham or of Jewish Virtual Library.

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    Operations like JVL are the essence of “fitting the facts to the narrative.”
     
    True.

    That sort of thing happens a lot with that bunch.
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  141. Z-man says:
    @RobinG
    Why are you here? Zionism is bullshit.

    "....we know that 3,000 years ago the Celtic people resided in places like present-day Switzerland. Just because 3,000 years ago some people believed that God gave Jerusalem specifically to the Jewish people, that doesn’t mean that you ignore the next 3,000 years and the place should become the capital of Israel based on biblical references. The idea that the rights of the Palestinian people can be ignored because of religious text written down thousands of years ago is absolutely ludicrous." CRAIG MURRAY
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/01/31/former-ambassador-reflects-on-current-events/

    Yes.
    However the argument the former ambassador and his interviewers make about South Africa is wrong. Most of the black south Africans were imported into the southern areas. So the argument comparing them with the Palestinians is ‘apples to oranges’, or Arabs to ‘U-bangies’. (Grin)

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  142. Z-man says:
    @biz
    Yes, except for the whole lack of genocide thing, it could be said to be similar.

    Anyway, I thought the official position around here was that the Holocaust was a hoax anyway, or at a minimum greatly exaggerated for propaganda purposes. So I suppose if what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is "just like" (tm) the Holocaust, then it must be nothing bad.

    It was a lie but it’s good to throw it in the face of Zionist because then there are multiple reasons that the Jooz can get caught…in the LIE. A pox on THEM.

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  143. anarchyst says:
    @jilles dykstra
    " Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . . "

    Wrong, he admitted not believing in gas chambers, and spent three years in an Austrian prison.

    You are correct. However, in another trial, he was forced to recant certain TRUTHS about the “jewish holocaust ™”

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    I'd like to know what trial
    The only other trial I know of was his lawsuit against Lippstadt.
    It failed.
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  144. @anon

    Was it the first religion with only one God ? Yes,
     
    No. Flat wrong on the facts.

    Egyptians posited One God before Hebrews.

    Most of Hebrew mythology/'theology' is derivative.

    According to wikipedia, Egyptian notion of One God arose in reign of Akhenaten, ~1370 - 1330 BC.

    Also according to wikipedia, Abraham, originator of the Hebrew idea of One God --

    The Abraham story cannot be definitively related to any specific time, and it is widely agreed that the patriarchal age, along with the exodus and the period of the judges, is a late literary construct that does not relate to any period in actual history.[4] A common hypothesis among scholars is that it was composed in the early Persian period (late 6th century BCE) as a result of tensions between Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian captivity and traced their right to the land through their "father Abraham", and the returning exiles who based their counter-claim on Moses and the Exodus tradition.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham
     
    Jewish Virtual Library claims that Abraham lived "c. 1813 - 1638 BC" or within a 200-year range 300 years before Akhnaten.

    Operations like JVL are the essence of "fitting the facts to the narrative."
    Moreover, if it was Abraham's idee fixes to claim that he originated the idea; that all other notions about god, including those of his father and relatives as well as the "star gazers" (i.e. the Graeco-Persian astrologers who understood navigation by the stars before Abraham's time), and

    Abraham gave himself not only the right but also the duty to either convert or destroy anyone who did not share his "original insight," then the whole concept of being first is as suspect as the claim that the thoughts emanating from his brain were superior to study of nature and devising theories based on patterns observed in nature.

    We know that the stars conform to certain patterns that can be observed and are fairly consistent.

    The same cannot be said of Abraham or of Jewish Virtual Library.

    Operations like JVL are the essence of “fitting the facts to the narrative.”

    True.

    That sort of thing happens a lot with that bunch.

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  145. @Reg Cæsar

    IOW, in this case, it represents a double standard, no matter how special the “chosen ones” think they are.
     
    In my view, Semites are Semites are Semites. Japhetites are more nuanced.

    In my view, Semites are Semites are Semites.

    Well, maybe.

    Are Ashkenazim Semites? If so, on what basis?

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  146. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    "Let’s assume you’re right. No mass murder of Jews. Milllions were still expelled from their homes, lost their belongings, etc. You’d have to be an idiot to think that there wouldn’t be a Jewish State at the end of the war. If you want to blame someone for that, try blaming the Nazis."

    I've clearly rung your bell. Good.
    What you are talking about is nothing that the Allies didn't do. Hence the need for Jews to try again* their absurdly fake & impossible '6M Jews & gas chambers' nonsense so that they could be seen as special & unique, therefore 'Israel' just had to be stolen for them.

    * Jews had been pushing the fake '6M' since at least 1869.

    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    Jews: the bride at every wedding, the corpse at every funeral
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    The British had recommended partition in 1937, before the war had even started. There was going to be a Jewish State. What Hitler and the Nazis did was make sure it happened sooner and that it would have far more support, including among Jews. And that would have happened whether Jews had been killed or not because of how Hitler and the Nazis treated Jews and how well organized the Jews were. If the Crimean Tatars were as well organized, they might have gotten a State out of it too.

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    As far as I remember just a British investigation committee came with a partition plan.
    It, of course, was shelved, GB could not afford to lose Arabic support inn the war they saw coming.
    , @Wally
    said:
    "The British had recommended partition in 1937, before the war had even started. There was going to be a Jewish State."

    No there wasn't.
    The "recommendation" of just a few guys was utterly rejected.

    Then the fake '6M' had to be resurrected by Jews from their 19th century attempts by promoting a scientifically impossible & new '6M' horse crap in the media which they controlled.

    And you dodged my fact that the Allies did as much or worse than the Germans did in the same period.

    www.codoh.com

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  147. @anarchyst
    You are correct. However, in another trial, he was forced to recant certain TRUTHS about the "jewish holocaust ™"

    I’d like to know what trial
    The only other trial I know of was his lawsuit against Lippstadt.
    It failed.

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  148. @Anon
    The British had recommended partition in 1937, before the war had even started. There was going to be a Jewish State. What Hitler and the Nazis did was make sure it happened sooner and that it would have far more support, including among Jews. And that would have happened whether Jews had been killed or not because of how Hitler and the Nazis treated Jews and how well organized the Jews were. If the Crimean Tatars were as well organized, they might have gotten a State out of it too.

    As far as I remember just a British investigation committee came with a partition plan.
    It, of course, was shelved, GB could not afford to lose Arabic support inn the war they saw coming.

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  149. @jacques sheete

    Was it the first religion with only one God ? Yes...
     
    Valid citation, please.

    It was not.
    A pharao created sun worship, the ruins of Heliopolis still exist.
    The religion failed.
    It is suggested that Moses was a priest in Heliopolis.
    If so, he did better than the pharao, if Moses existed.

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    It was not.
     
    That's what I thought, but I'm no expert on the subject.
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  150. @anon

    Why is it that Unz.com keeps getting old men to write apocalyptic predictions?
     
    "Apocalyptic predictions" are Weiss's stock in trade. He's in competition with Bibi -- Weiss emotes breathlessly on the latest final solution as often as Bibi says Iran is 2 years away from Da Bomb.

    . Fish gotta swim ---

    PS Nobody wants the Jews today just like nobody wanted the Jews in 1933 when Brandeis & Jabotinsky scared them out of Germany.

    No idea what Brandeis and Jabotinsky did in this respect.
    Hitler’s measures against jews were such that anyone who could leave did it.

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  151. polskijoe says:

    The two state solution is an illusion perhaps.

    The only thing that stops the aggressive Zionists, is fast expansion would show the world
    how evil they are.
    The UN which symbolically votes and shows that the vast majority of the world does not support aggressive Zionists (neo-Zionists).

    The state of Isreal was created, and expanded slowly regardless of world pressure.
    Money talks and Zionists have lots of it.

    Soon the Zionists were killing British in the area. They were killing local Palestinians.

    Perhaps the Balfour Declration was a mistake.
    Before the Anglos have some resistance before, when they were racialist minded,
    but then they sold out and either became alllies of Zionists or simply not caring.

    Israel cannot become a centre of the world, they cannot become leaders of World government (which Zionists want in the long term). They are a big threat to the world.

    The JQ is still open. Im not for murdering. So what to do?

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  152. polskijoe says:

    Sadly, the vast majority of Jews (Zionist or not) fall under

    Socialists (Lenin-Trotsky)
    Liberals (rich)
    New Left (think 1960s and perverts)
    Neocons (conserving Jews, spreading Trotsky ideas to gentiles)

    The religious Jews are probably now majority Zionist (whether they admit it or not).
    They are types who think Jews need to bring about their messiah, and to create the conditions for it.
    Not a fan of Talmudist. (atheist and religious Jews, often have the mentality of it)

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  153. polskijoe says:

    One last comment for now:

    Ultra rich Jews (Rothschilds, Adelsons, Singers) will never move to Israel.
    Most American Jews are Zionists but will never move to Israel. They like the priveleged life in West
    and dont have to join the army.

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    Ultra rich Jews (Rothschilds, Adelsons, Singers) will never move to Israel.
    Most American Jews are Zionists but will never move to Israel. They like the privileged life in West


    It is time that these Jews register as foreign agents. We all know that they are Israeli agents.

    Clearly they are not loyal Americans - why stick to the fiction that they are?

    Think Peace --- Art
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  154. Art says:
    @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel’s land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob

    The god of the Jews is a puny little one tribe guy – his has an image of being mean, vindictive, unforgiving, and dishonest. His image has brought thousands of years of losing to his little tribe. They practice what he preaches, suffering the consequences, gaining the hate of their neighbors. It is unbelievable, but the Jews cannot give up their mean tribal loser god.

    On the other hand, the image of the Christian God is hopeful, loving, forgiving, and universal. His image is slowly bringing a neighborliness to humanity.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. This negative Jew god persists because Jew elders terrorize their children at a very early stage in their thinking, limiting their options to live a better hopeful more peaceful life.

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    Art, I believe that you could be much more effective, if you frame your arguments if you use descriptives of the anti-social attribute (groupings) , rather than falling into the framework and nomenclature created by the subject of the discussions for the explicit purpose of controlling the conversation.

    In our article above, by Mr. Weiss, we are talking about statements made by a former longtime chief executive of one of the major operational political extra-governmental agency working to increasing the comparative advantage of their adherents rights v. responsibilities ratio in society/life, (+ rights and - responsibilities) for their international collective following an ideology of subversiveness by deception, enabled by a selective empathy-disablement of all out-group peoples by an enforced policy of hatred.
    And the author of the piece also ascribes to this ideology?!
    So, from adherents of an ideology, in which, an adherent can go into a 'place of worship' once a year, and say a chant three times, which excuses them from lying to any/all out-group people, as much as they want.

    I'm confident that you would not discriminate at all in disagreeing with all people who were like that, regardless of the label that they wanted to be referred to by.

    No need to use the label that they set up to control the discussion, is there?

    Of course, one place that such a ideology can be read by anyone here, is in the Torah and applicable sections of the Talmud.

    So, the real question is, can you really take at its face an article on one of the collective's primary political symbols, (a theft employing crimes against humanity)?

    People who have read fact-based descriptions of the history, and therefore could not fail to notice the very, very strong trends lines of the history of the collective, probably will interpret this piece and the presented position of the person who is the subject of the article... with a reasonably wide range for possible interpretations, but most likely with a very healthy trend-based bias of deception as a likely objective.

    Is it 'hatred' to point out the systematized, entrenched hatred of a particular group of like-minded common values (of hatred)?
    Or is it a more of a case of pragmatic assessment of the how the world works around oneself, to best plot ones path through it, and sharing these useful insights with others?

    I think peace (like the Romans).
    , @wrd9
    Currently the Christian God is a fucking Cuck. Turning the other cheek during these times is idiotic and suicidal.
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  155. Art says:
    @polskijoe
    One last comment for now:

    Ultra rich Jews (Rothschilds, Adelsons, Singers) will never move to Israel.
    Most American Jews are Zionists but will never move to Israel. They like the priveleged life in West
    and dont have to join the army.

    Ultra rich Jews (Rothschilds, Adelsons, Singers) will never move to Israel.
    Most American Jews are Zionists but will never move to Israel. They like the privileged life in West

    It is time that these Jews register as foreign agents. We all know that they are Israeli agents.

    Clearly they are not loyal Americans – why stick to the fiction that they are?

    Think Peace — Art

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  156. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Jews have no fear. They will own Israel to all eternity and can do to Palestinians and anyone else as they please, because God, in the form of the United States Military, is on their side, always ready to smite down anyone who stands in the Jews’ way, just like it says in the Old Testament.

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    {..... in the form of the United States Military, is on their side, always ready to smite down anyone....}

    US military is not what it used be (....circa WW2).
    US and a whole lot of other actors tried to, quote, 'smite down' Syria, and it didn't turn out the way they expected.

    SAA is more battle hardened and battle ready than 5 years ago.
    Russia demonstrated its ability to influence geopolitics in Middle East with judicious use of military: cruise missiles launched from inside Russia and an effective air force, combined with motivated ground troops helped defeat the combined forces of the Evil Empire.
    Iran demonstrated its ability to deploy capable fighters far from Iran and influence the outcome of a war. (a headsup to KSA and other Gulf puppets of Neocons to behave, or else).

    The Universal Law of Unintended Consequences trumps what the Old Testament says.
    Every time.

    , @OilcanFloyd

    God, in the form of the United States Military, is on their side, always ready to smite down anyone who stands in the Jews’ way, just like it says in the Old Testament.
     
    What a statement! This is an admission that Jews would use the U.S. military to benefit a foreign nation. It also reveals the Jewish mindset that the Gentiles are to be used by Jews, and that's just going lightly and scratching the surface. I don't even think you are a troll!

    No wonder Jews have been expelled from one nation after another. Any non-Jew who isn't hostile towards Jewish culture, religion, power, and the Jewish collective is an idiot. Anti-Semitism is the natural reaction!
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  157. Avery says:
    @anon
    Jews have no fear. They will own Israel to all eternity and can do to Palestinians and anyone else as they please, because God, in the form of the United States Military, is on their side, always ready to smite down anyone who stands in the Jews' way, just like it says in the Old Testament.

    {….. in the form of the United States Military, is on their side, always ready to smite down anyone….}

    US military is not what it used be (….circa WW2).
    US and a whole lot of other actors tried to, quote, ‘smite down’ Syria, and it didn’t turn out the way they expected.

    SAA is more battle hardened and battle ready than 5 years ago.
    Russia demonstrated its ability to influence geopolitics in Middle East with judicious use of military: cruise missiles launched from inside Russia and an effective air force, combined with motivated ground troops helped defeat the combined forces of the Evil Empire.
    Iran demonstrated its ability to deploy capable fighters far from Iran and influence the outcome of a war. (a headsup to KSA and other Gulf puppets of Neocons to behave, or else).

    The Universal Law of Unintended Consequences trumps what the Old Testament says.
    Every time.

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  158. Wally says:
    @Anon
    The British had recommended partition in 1937, before the war had even started. There was going to be a Jewish State. What Hitler and the Nazis did was make sure it happened sooner and that it would have far more support, including among Jews. And that would have happened whether Jews had been killed or not because of how Hitler and the Nazis treated Jews and how well organized the Jews were. If the Crimean Tatars were as well organized, they might have gotten a State out of it too.

    said:
    “The British had recommended partition in 1937, before the war had even started. There was going to be a Jewish State.”

    No there wasn’t.
    The “recommendation” of just a few guys was utterly rejected.

    Then the fake ’6M’ had to be resurrected by Jews from their 19th century attempts by promoting a scientifically impossible & new ’6M’ horse crap in the media which they controlled.

    And you dodged my fact that the Allies did as much or worse than the Germans did in the same period.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    “No there wasn’t” isn’t an argument. And the Peel Commission wasn’t “just a bunch of guys.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission

    What the Allies did isn’t my concern. Nazi Germany created Israel. Deal with it.
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  159. @anon
    Jews have no fear. They will own Israel to all eternity and can do to Palestinians and anyone else as they please, because God, in the form of the United States Military, is on their side, always ready to smite down anyone who stands in the Jews' way, just like it says in the Old Testament.

    God, in the form of the United States Military, is on their side, always ready to smite down anyone who stands in the Jews’ way, just like it says in the Old Testament.

    What a statement! This is an admission that Jews would use the U.S. military to benefit a foreign nation. It also reveals the Jewish mindset that the Gentiles are to be used by Jews, and that’s just going lightly and scratching the surface. I don’t even think you are a troll!

    No wonder Jews have been expelled from one nation after another. Any non-Jew who isn’t hostile towards Jewish culture, religion, power, and the Jewish collective is an idiot. Anti-Semitism is the natural reaction!

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    Anti-Semitism is the not-always-equal and opposite reaction to Semitism. (Thank you Isaac Newton)
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  160. Art says:

    Jews have no fear. They will own Israel to all eternity and can do to Palestinians and anyone else as they please, because God, in the form of the United States Military, is on their side

    Every US general publicly supports Israel.

    How sick is that?

    Disgusting!

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. America for America.

    p.s. Not America for Israel.

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  161. @Art
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel’s land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob

    The god of the Jews is a puny little one tribe guy – his has an image of being mean, vindictive, unforgiving, and dishonest. His image has brought thousands of years of losing to his little tribe. They practice what he preaches, suffering the consequences, gaining the hate of their neighbors. It is unbelievable, but the Jews cannot give up their mean tribal loser god.

    On the other hand, the image of the Christian God is hopeful, loving, forgiving, and universal. His image is slowly bringing a neighborliness to humanity.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. This negative Jew god persists because Jew elders terrorize their children at a very early stage in their thinking, limiting their options to live a better hopeful more peaceful life.

    Art, I believe that you could be much more effective, if you frame your arguments if you use descriptives of the anti-social attribute (groupings) , rather than falling into the framework and nomenclature created by the subject of the discussions for the explicit purpose of controlling the conversation.

    In our article above, by Mr. Weiss, we are talking about statements made by a former longtime chief executive of one of the major operational political extra-governmental agency working to increasing the comparative advantage of their adherents rights v. responsibilities ratio in society/life, (+ rights and – responsibilities) for their international collective following an ideology of subversiveness by deception, enabled by a selective empathy-disablement of all out-group peoples by an enforced policy of hatred.
    And the author of the piece also ascribes to this ideology?!
    So, from adherents of an ideology, in which, an adherent can go into a ‘place of worship’ once a year, and say a chant three times, which excuses them from lying to any/all out-group people, as much as they want.

    I’m confident that you would not discriminate at all in disagreeing with all people who were like that, regardless of the label that they wanted to be referred to by.

    No need to use the label that they set up to control the discussion, is there?

    Of course, one place that such a ideology can be read by anyone here, is in the Torah and applicable sections of the Talmud.

    So, the real question is, can you really take at its face an article on one of the collective’s primary political symbols, (a theft employing crimes against humanity)?

    People who have read fact-based descriptions of the history, and therefore could not fail to notice the very, very strong trends lines of the history of the collective, probably will interpret this piece and the presented position of the person who is the subject of the article… with a reasonably wide range for possible interpretations, but most likely with a very healthy trend-based bias of deception as a likely objective.

    Is it ‘hatred’ to point out the systematized, entrenched hatred of a particular group of like-minded common values (of hatred)?
    Or is it a more of a case of pragmatic assessment of the how the world works around oneself, to best plot ones path through it, and sharing these useful insights with others?

    I think peace (like the Romans).

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  162. @jilles dykstra
    It was not.
    A pharao created sun worship, the ruins of Heliopolis still exist.
    The religion failed.
    It is suggested that Moses was a priest in Heliopolis.
    If so, he did better than the pharao, if Moses existed.

    It was not.

    That’s what I thought, but I’m no expert on the subject.

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  163. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally
    said:
    "The British had recommended partition in 1937, before the war had even started. There was going to be a Jewish State."

    No there wasn't.
    The "recommendation" of just a few guys was utterly rejected.

    Then the fake '6M' had to be resurrected by Jews from their 19th century attempts by promoting a scientifically impossible & new '6M' horse crap in the media which they controlled.

    And you dodged my fact that the Allies did as much or worse than the Germans did in the same period.

    www.codoh.com

    “No there wasn’t” isn’t an argument. And the Peel Commission wasn’t “just a bunch of guys.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission

    What the Allies did isn’t my concern. Nazi Germany created Israel. Deal with it.

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  164. Art says:

    In our article above, by Mr. Weiss, we are talking about statements made by a former longtime chief executive of one of the major operational political extra-governmental agency working to increasing the comparative advantage of their adherents rights v. responsibilities ratio in society/life, (+ rights and – responsibilities) for their international collective following an ideology of subversiveness by deception, enabled by a selective empathy-disablement of all out-group peoples by an enforced policy of hatred.

    Dissident X,

    HELP — Not to be disrespectful, but I have submitted that sentence to IBM’s Watson computer for illumination (am expecting an electrical blackout at any time). (Smile)

    Will get back to you.

    Think Peace — Art

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    I have submitted that sentence to IBM’s Watson computer for illumination

    The fail-safe iffen translation:

    Dem Jews what done it.

    A-well-a, everybody’s heard about the Jew
    Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, J-Jew’s the word
    A-well-a, Jew, Jew, Jew, the Jew is the word
     
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  165. I am not convinced the two state solution is dead. It may not look like what we have envisioned, but dead, not sure of that.

    What I am sure about is the only amelioration for the Palestinians requires some deep manner of redress. The settlements need to pay back rent if not an outright sale. Israel needs to make a bid any further territory they desire.

    All of which of anything is a very tough hall because no matter what is done,

    It will require an international force to enact it.
    ___________________

    It’s Israel’s irrational fears and the fuel an irrational policy. until the international community steps up and occupies the Palestine, ensuring the removal of Israel from Gaza and other “disputed territories” about which there is very little dispute — the issues are what they are.

    Strategically, Palestinians stop all acts of violent response. They don’t control enough of the media to get their message of self defense out, which is complicated to explain, Ge people know that Israel is occupying non-Israeli territory and engaged in acts violence to control as routine.

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    I am not convinced the two state solution is dead. It may not look like what we have envisioned, but dead, not sure of that.

    1) The Palestinians couldn’t create a modern viable nation state if detailed, step by step instructions were tattooed on the butts of every camel in the ME.

    2) The controlling political faction in Israel considers the West Bank to be part of the Land of Israel (and who knows what other geographical pieces) and will never voluntarily give it up and there is no scenario whereby they lose political power.

    3) Despite the wet dreams of this collection of misfits, rubber booters, pellet droppers, 88s and propaganda aficionados, for the foreseeable future the US will not force Israel to do anything that the ruling political faction in Israel doesn’t want to do.
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  166. Vickpm says:
    @Alberto Campos
    Your plan is very good to use in your kitchen. For this issue there is something called UN and dozen of resolutions to be respected, followed, applied. You know, that same organisation that created that thing that now split ‘solutions’ aside from it.

    Forget the UN. The UN breaches international law especially concerning Israel and Arab states. International law supports the Gaza region set up for those irredentist Arabs who want to keep fighting the reality of Israel. Better to maintain the treaties between Israel Egypt Jordan and build on that basis. Those treaties were established outside UN auspices and have been beneficial. There is no UN track record anywhere for resolving conflicts. Look at India-Pakistan Kashmir Ireland Turkey Cyprus Syria Iraq Iran…. Who are you trying to kid? IN did absolutely nothing to resolve those conflicts.

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  167. ID says:

    Linda S. Is a liberal democracy loving Palestinian?
    I would like to have an example of a radical islamist Palestinian.

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  168. iffen says:
    @Art

    In our article above, by Mr. Weiss, we are talking about statements made by a former longtime chief executive of one of the major operational political extra-governmental agency working to increasing the comparative advantage of their adherents rights v. responsibilities ratio in society/life, (+ rights and – responsibilities) for their international collective following an ideology of subversiveness by deception, enabled by a selective empathy-disablement of all out-group peoples by an enforced policy of hatred.
     
    Dissident X,

    HELP --- Not to be disrespectful, but I have submitted that sentence to IBM's Watson computer for illumination (am expecting an electrical blackout at any time). (Smile)

    Will get back to you.

    Think Peace --- Art

    I have submitted that sentence to IBM’s Watson computer for illumination

    The fail-safe iffen translation:

    Dem Jews what done it.

    A-well-a, everybody’s heard about the Jew
    Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, J-Jew’s the word
    A-well-a, Jew, Jew, Jew, the Jew is the word

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  169. iffen says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I am not convinced the two state solution is dead. It may not look like what we have envisioned, but dead, not sure of that.

    What I am sure about is the only amelioration for the Palestinians requires some deep manner of redress. The settlements need to pay back rent if not an outright sale. Israel needs to make a bid any further territory they desire.

    All of which of anything is a very tough hall because no matter what is done,

    It will require an international force to enact it.
    ___________________


    It's Israel's irrational fears and the fuel an irrational policy. until the international community steps up and occupies the Palestine, ensuring the removal of Israel from Gaza and other "disputed territories" about which there is very little dispute -- the issues are what they are.

    Strategically, Palestinians stop all acts of violent response. They don't control enough of the media to get their message of self defense out, which is complicated to explain, Ge people know that Israel is occupying non-Israeli territory and engaged in acts violence to control as routine.

    I am not convinced the two state solution is dead. It may not look like what we have envisioned, but dead, not sure of that.

    1) The Palestinians couldn’t create a modern viable nation state if detailed, step by step instructions were tattooed on the butts of every camel in the ME.

    2) The controlling political faction in Israel considers the West Bank to be part of the Land of Israel (and who knows what other geographical pieces) and will never voluntarily give it up and there is no scenario whereby they lose political power.

    3) Despite the wet dreams of this collection of misfits, rubber booters, pellet droppers, 88s and propaganda aficionados, for the foreseeable future the US will not force Israel to do anything that the ruling political faction in Israel doesn’t want to do.

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    Perhaps, the intelligent Jews need to learn more about PNAC, Oded Yinon plan, and the ongoing fight for Eretz Israel: http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/02/breaking-us-airstrikes-artillery-fire.html
    Israel supports ISIS: https://www.infowars.com/israel-supports-jihadists-isis-in-syria/
    An article on the “Times of Israel” reports that ISIS “apologized” for attacking an Israeli unit on the Syrian Golan Heights. ...it is well known that since 2011, Israel has provided weapons, intelligence, and military support to Takfirist terrorists operating in the occupied Golan and in the southern regions of Syria: https://www.partiantisioniste.com/en/news/ian-israeli-general-recognizes-links-between-isis-and-the-zionist-entity-en.html
    Special victimhood, Iffin?
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  170. annamaria says:
    @Jake
    Jews leaving Israel because Palestinians get full rights and are the majority will arrive in Europe and the Anglosphere with at least double the old hatred for white Gentiles, because they will blame white Gentiles for not saving Israel as a Jewish state for Jews, with endless funding from Uncle Sam.

    By striving greedily and arrogantly for Eretz Israel, the Jewish supremacists have destroyed their natural allies — the tolerant and multidenominational Libya and Syria. The story of 4 million victims of ziocon project in the Middle East is going to haunt Jewry worldwide, on a top of the finally known story of the Jewish Bolshevism and genocide of Russians. The myth of eternal victimhood is dissolving into a dirty puddle, whereas a story of the bloody opportunistic Esther emerges as a logo for the “chosen.”

    Eretz Israel: “from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates”, comprising all of modern-day Israel, the Palestinian Territories, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, as well as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E, Oman, Yemen, most of Turkey, and all the land east of the Nile river.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
    Oded Yinon plan: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33220.htm and its consequences: https://muslimvillage.com/2014/08/13/56742/the-yinon-plan-greater-israel-syria-iraq-and-isis/

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  171. annamaria says:
    @iffen
    I am not convinced the two state solution is dead. It may not look like what we have envisioned, but dead, not sure of that.

    1) The Palestinians couldn’t create a modern viable nation state if detailed, step by step instructions were tattooed on the butts of every camel in the ME.

    2) The controlling political faction in Israel considers the West Bank to be part of the Land of Israel (and who knows what other geographical pieces) and will never voluntarily give it up and there is no scenario whereby they lose political power.

    3) Despite the wet dreams of this collection of misfits, rubber booters, pellet droppers, 88s and propaganda aficionados, for the foreseeable future the US will not force Israel to do anything that the ruling political faction in Israel doesn’t want to do.

    Perhaps, the intelligent Jews need to learn more about PNAC, Oded Yinon plan, and the ongoing fight for Eretz Israel: http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/02/breaking-us-airstrikes-artillery-fire.html
    Israel supports ISIS: https://www.infowars.com/israel-supports-jihadists-isis-in-syria/
    An article on the “Times of Israel” reports that ISIS “apologized” for attacking an Israeli unit on the Syrian Golan Heights. …it is well known that since 2011, Israel has provided weapons, intelligence, and military support to Takfirist terrorists operating in the occupied Golan and in the southern regions of Syria: https://www.partiantisioniste.com/en/news/ian-israeli-general-recognizes-links-between-isis-and-the-zionist-entity-en.html
    Special victimhood, Iffin?

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    Special victimhood, Iffin?

    Yes
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  172. iffen says:
    @annamaria
    Perhaps, the intelligent Jews need to learn more about PNAC, Oded Yinon plan, and the ongoing fight for Eretz Israel: http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/02/breaking-us-airstrikes-artillery-fire.html
    Israel supports ISIS: https://www.infowars.com/israel-supports-jihadists-isis-in-syria/
    An article on the “Times of Israel” reports that ISIS “apologized” for attacking an Israeli unit on the Syrian Golan Heights. ...it is well known that since 2011, Israel has provided weapons, intelligence, and military support to Takfirist terrorists operating in the occupied Golan and in the southern regions of Syria: https://www.partiantisioniste.com/en/news/ian-israeli-general-recognizes-links-between-isis-and-the-zionist-entity-en.html
    Special victimhood, Iffin?

    Special victimhood, Iffin?

    Yes

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    Check the ethnicity of the main activists of ProPornot: https://thedailycoin.org/2018/01/29/unmasking-propornot-exposing-deep-state-crimes/
    Eliot Higgins, with his expertise in selling underwear, is a nice addition to the like-minded ProPornoters. https://off-guardian.org/tag/eliot-higgins/
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  173. @jtl170
    "If after what undoubtedly would be a long and bitter anti-apartheid struggle Palestinians prevail, they will be in the clear majority. Having established the principle that the majority can impose on the minority the religious and cultural identity of the State, Israel will not be in a strong position to deny Palestinians that same right. That will lead in time to a significant exodus of Israel’s Jews."

    This is a perfect illustration of why liberalism can only exist within an illiberal framework. Israel can exist as the ME's only true democracy, with intellectual freedom and rights for women and homosexuals, only so long as it excludes masses of Muslim Arabs who would vote those freedoms away. As the old joke about post-colonial Third World democracy goes, "One man, one vote, one time." Israel's illiberal, self-defined ethnic character, dominated by Jews of European descent, allows it to flourish as a bastion of advanced civilization surrounded by backward Arab barbarism.

    "A state that fast-tracks citizenship through government-sponsored religious conversion to Judaism, as Israel’s government now does, cannot for long hide that it privileges its Jewish citizens—just as the United States could not have claimed to be a democracy if conversion to Christianity were a path to U.S. citizenship."

    Perhaps the U.S. would be better off if it did enact such a policy. It certainly could have prevented a number of Islamic terrorist attacks, not to mention conserved enormous military and law enforcement resources. Then, of course, there is the error of presuming that a country can only be a democracy if it abandons any pretense of ethnic, cultural or religious character and affords full rights to non-citizens.

    No doubt little Israel would be eradicated by granting full democratic rights to the surrounding Muslim Arabs. And it likely would not stop at political neutralization; note the following passage from the Hadith: "Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind the rocks and the trees, but the rocks and the trees will say: Oh Muslim , oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him." Islam takes a similarly dim view of Christians, Hindus, Zoroastrians and other groups. Perhaps there is a lesson for the U.S. here.

    Hadith is to the Koran is as the Talmud is to the Torah, except that in Islam, there is a major schism between those that refute and reject the Hadith, Moslems, and those that accept it, takfiri heretics. In ‘judaism’ (a made-up word meaning nothing intrinsically), this schism has NOT occurred, and the extremist leadership runs the ideological collective.

    Islam respects all men as equal under a supreme being, whether they are in the house (i.e. Moslem) or not in the house. Torah-Talmudism is based on absolute rejection of the universality of people under the supreme being, self-recognizing only their common adherents as ‘chosen’ and worthy of and in receipt of the blessing and favour of the higher being.

    How truly pathetic is that? (very truly pathetic, it seems to me).

    All ‘jews’ should actually read the talmud, and then make up their minds whether they want to include themselves with with an affiliation for which systemic hatred is the basis for their identity.
    Many decent people would leave the value-proposition (favourable rights, i.e. more, and responsibilities i.e. less) and publicly disassociate themselves from these global gangsters.

    read “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    please, if you love this planet, encourage everyone you know, nicely, and politely, to read this book!

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    read “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    please, if you love this planet, encourage everyone you know, nicely, and politely, to read this book!
     
    Agree.

    By far the best book on the topic, ever.
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  174. In deference to the proclamations, included in the article, attributed to Henry Siegman, I should like to share my recall the words of Mr. Maurice Samuel’s of
    1924,

    “We Jews, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever”.

    Is it ‘hatred‘, the bringing of the knowledge of the existence of an extremely successful international collective which secretly systematically negative-sum-gain games ones’ native society, to their increased benefit, with an ideology which necessitates hatred against all out-group people, to the attention of everybody?

    If so, why should it be so?

    (I don’t get it.)

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  175. @Anon
    Let’s assume you’re right. No mass murder of Jews. Milllions were still expelled from their homes, lost their belongings, etc. You’d have to be an idiot to think that there wouldn’t be a Jewish State at the end of the war. If you want to blame someone for that, try blaming the Nazis.

    I do not want to interfere in your quarrel. But I do not know if you are aware that it was Jewish leadership of unions led by two Jews Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxenburgh. That caused the defeat of German army in WW1
    This fact is taboo in western press.
    German Army was furious.
    German population was furious.
    …………………………………………………….
    And Hitler wanted only Jews to export out from Germany.
    There were no takers.

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  176. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry

    But the sensibility just isn’t Western – and that’s a good thing, maybe the only good thing about Israel.

    You’re just not building a Western country when most of the population is an ancient part of the Middle East.

    Bangkok has old, chaotic, shambolic elements to it also, which make it atmospheric and interesting to visit, but it has also embraced modernity and the West more than Israel has, or at least that’s how it feels.

    Israel feels sort of disconnected from the world – Bangkok doesn’t.

    I think that’s cool about Israel, and is a ray of hope – eventually Israel will be absorbed into the larger Middle East, and it’s sharp, aggressive European element will gradually soften out and fade away.

    As a Russian, you don’t belong to that sharp element, and are part of the softening process :)
     


    It’s only a matter of time before Israel gets absorbed into the ancient Middle East.

    The entire shaky edifice is incredibly fragile and geld together by its 25% Ashkenazi elite. 75% of the nation is already an integral part of the ancient Middle East, Iraqi and Yemeni Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druze, and Circassians.
     

    It sounds like you view the 'Oriental' or the Arabs Jews as some kind of scenic or picturesque Moroccan peasantry, that will dissolve into Ancient Middle Eastern ways.

    The majority younger Mizrahi generation are just Americanized, industrial proletariat, who are distinguied from European Jews just through having less taste (that probably would not be distinguished from Latino immigrants if they were transported to America).

    And the younger generation, of Arab (or Eastern) Jewish popular culture is just American hip hop or postmodern culture, with an Arabic beat.

    If I'm allowed to post music videos here (?) - this what the Arab (Eastern) Jewish culture is for the next generation
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuNnmzGi4Ao


    Sure, there are wealthy enclaves, in the soulless American style. West Bank settlement are also often quite nice, if soulless.
     
    It's not related to wealth. Tel Aviv is actually a wealthy city, but its buildings are shambolic mess of decayed Khrushchev-era slums, that are so badly falling apart, that looking at the constructions on many streets makes you think you are in an African city.

    The factor is nothing to do with current wealth or culture - but rather the time of historical development. (Most of the buildings in Tel Aviv were constructed in a rush and extreme, African level austerity).

    Ashdod is a much poorer city than most of Tel Aviv. But much of Ashdod is very clean, modern blocks and extremely precise planning (the reason is that large parts were built in the 1980s, with a more generous budget). The future of Israel is going to be more like Ashdod.

    Of course, Israeli Arabs, Jew or not, become hideous under Americanized culture. Happens in America too. It’s a thin veneer. Take away the artificial Europeans crust, it’ll fall away naturally.

    European cities are quite a bit older than Tel Aviv, as is Bangkok. The Jewish quarter in Jerusalem, populated mainly by American Ashkenazi Jews, is clean and nice – and hideously dull.

    It really is about a different sensibility. If the Dutch lived in Tel Aviv, it would look completely different.

    The average Israeli is much poorer than the average person in the UK, and the country feels a million times more run down and less modern. GDP reflects massive inequality, worse than in America. Which is what your expect in a country heavily influenced by American Jews .

    The future of Israel may be Ashdod – tiny super wealthy enclaves, hideously dull and sanitized, in a sea of Middle Eastern chaos.

    As life become dull and materialistic under the neoliberal regime that is creating Ashdod’s and driving inequality, morale declines, and there is an increasing reliance on technology to fight wars.

    I cannot tell you how many unhappy and disaffected Israelis I meet abroad.

    With America in terminal decline, the fragile, artificial entity, brittle at its core, will be absorbed into the region.

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    The future of Israel may be Ashdod – tiny super wealthy enclaves, hideously dull and sanitized, in a sea of Middle Eastern chaos.

    As life become dull and materialistic under the neoliberal regime that is creating Ashdod’s and driving inequality, morale declines, and there is an increasing reliance on technology to fight wars.

    I cannot tell you how many unhappy and disaffected Israelis I meet abroad.

    With America in terminal decline, the fragile, artificial entity, brittle at its core, will be absorbed into the region.
     

    Again Ashdod is not a wealthy city - it's a poor city. But much of it is clean and modern, due to it being built in the 1980s as opposed to the 1950s. While Tel Aviv is a wealthy city, but the buildings are a kind of 1950s favela (these decaying favela like buildings in Tel Aviv cost more to buy than a new modern housing in Ashdod).

    But if you look at Ashdod, the urban-planning is as precise or modern as any post-war constructed city in the Soviet Union.

    The average Israeli is much poorer than the average person in the UK, and the country feels a million times more run down and less modern. GDP reflects massive inequality, worse than in America. Which is what your expect in a country heavily influenced by American Jews .
     

    Mean net worth per adult in the United States of America is around double what it is in Israel.

    But median net worth per adult in Israel is already higher than it is in the United States:

    https://www.credit-suisse.com/media/assets/corporate/docs/about-us/research/wealth-per-adult-2016-2017.xlsx

    The median figure can be useful for a perspective.


    It really is about a different sensibility. If the Dutch lived in Tel Aviv, it would look completely different.
     
    Not as much as you imagine, because they would have faced the 1950s with no money, no housing, while having a doubling population of immigrants. The effect was to build whole cities of shanty-town, pre-fabricated constructions.
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  177. annamaria says:
    @iffen
    Special victimhood, Iffin?

    Yes

    Check the ethnicity of the main activists of ProPornot: https://thedailycoin.org/2018/01/29/unmasking-propornot-exposing-deep-state-crimes/
    Eliot Higgins, with his expertise in selling underwear, is a nice addition to the like-minded ProPornoters. https://off-guardian.org/tag/eliot-higgins/

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  178. @Anon
    Let’s assume you’re right. No mass murder of Jews. Milllions were still expelled from their homes, lost their belongings, etc. You’d have to be an idiot to think that there wouldn’t be a Jewish State at the end of the war. If you want to blame someone for that, try blaming the Nazis.

    I do wonder if you read Erik Maria Remarque: All quiet on western front.
    If you did not I do strongly recommend it to read it.

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  179. @whyamihere
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel's land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! Long live Israel!

    You are like a Black person wearing wightening cream.
    Those who would call themselves Jews, Israelis, etc. are Ashkenazim from Khazakstan.
    Heavy Mafia like influence. Many came to Israel! Peacein Israel = Peace in M.E.

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  180. @Vickpm
    Siegeman is right that the two state 'solution' is dead but his conclusions are foolish. Siegeman has been duped by the anti Netanyahu anti Zionist cult marxist clique that festers in the media and academic dens. They've been predicting the demise of the Zionist enterprise since before the establishment of the Jewish state. At the same time the emergence of an 'enlightened' arab polity would be helpful. An arab representative puppet state could be set up in Gaza and sign a peace treaty with Israel and eliminate irredentist arab elements and issue passports and house an arab legislature. Also acknowledge the right of Jews to settle anywhere in the historic Jewish homeland. A model to be followed would be what I call the other I-P problem that being India - Pakistan. Remember that India was partitioned into Hindu and muselmani states. India invaded and conquered East Pakistan withdrawing only after setting up a puppet state Bangladesh. That puppet was required to execute a 25 year treaty with India ending all hostilities against India and prohibiting relations with any country hostile to the Indians hegemony. The same should be required of any Arab entity/puppet that emerges in Gaza. Peace treaty with Israel and absolutely no relations with any country that is hostile to Israel. This should put an end to the anti Israel cult marx idea of an arab 'Paleztine'.

    You are like a Black person wearing wightening cream.
    Those who would call themselves Jews, Israelis, etc. are Ashkenazim from Khazakstan.
    Heavy Mafia like influence. Many came to Israel! Peacein Israel = Peace in M.E.

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  181. j2 says:

    I think it is like this, but I hope I am wrong.

    Jews in Israel do not want a two states solution, so the one state solution is sold to Palestinians with the suggestion that they will be the majority and even many Jews will leave Israel, but instead what will happen is that a significant portion of American Jews will move to Israel and Palestinians will be a minority. How can this happen? Destabilize the neighboring countries and occupy some more land for them to come, especially take case that there are water resources, then foment antisemitism in the USA so that Jews will be willing to leave. How did Iraq Jews leave for Israel? There were some bomb attacks, who made them and why? What would foment antisemitism in a so peaceful country? Maybe some terrorist attacks again.

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  182. Dmitry says:
    @AaronB
    Of course, Israeli Arabs, Jew or not, become hideous under Americanized culture. Happens in America too. It's a thin veneer. Take away the artificial Europeans crust, it'll fall away naturally.

    European cities are quite a bit older than Tel Aviv, as is Bangkok. The Jewish quarter in Jerusalem, populated mainly by American Ashkenazi Jews, is clean and nice - and hideously dull.

    It really is about a different sensibility. If the Dutch lived in Tel Aviv, it would look completely different.

    The average Israeli is much poorer than the average person in the UK, and the country feels a million times more run down and less modern. GDP reflects massive inequality, worse than in America. Which is what your expect in a country heavily influenced by American Jews .

    The future of Israel may be Ashdod - tiny super wealthy enclaves, hideously dull and sanitized, in a sea of Middle Eastern chaos.

    As life become dull and materialistic under the neoliberal regime that is creating Ashdod's and driving inequality, morale declines, and there is an increasing reliance on technology to fight wars.

    I cannot tell you how many unhappy and disaffected Israelis I meet abroad.

    With America in terminal decline, the fragile, artificial entity, brittle at its core, will be absorbed into the region.

    The future of Israel may be Ashdod – tiny super wealthy enclaves, hideously dull and sanitized, in a sea of Middle Eastern chaos.

    As life become dull and materialistic under the neoliberal regime that is creating Ashdod’s and driving inequality, morale declines, and there is an increasing reliance on technology to fight wars.

    I cannot tell you how many unhappy and disaffected Israelis I meet abroad.

    With America in terminal decline, the fragile, artificial entity, brittle at its core, will be absorbed into the region.

    Again Ashdod is not a wealthy city – it’s a poor city. But much of it is clean and modern, due to it being built in the 1980s as opposed to the 1950s. While Tel Aviv is a wealthy city, but the buildings are a kind of 1950s favela (these decaying favela like buildings in Tel Aviv cost more to buy than a new modern housing in Ashdod).

    But if you look at Ashdod, the urban-planning is as precise or modern as any post-war constructed city in the Soviet Union.

    The average Israeli is much poorer than the average person in the UK, and the country feels a million times more run down and less modern. GDP reflects massive inequality, worse than in America. Which is what your expect in a country heavily influenced by American Jews .

    Mean net worth per adult in the United States of America is around double what it is in Israel.

    But median net worth per adult in Israel is already higher than it is in the United States:

    https://www.credit-suisse.com/media/assets/corporate/docs/about-us/research/wealth-per-adult-2016-2017.xlsx

    The median figure can be useful for a perspective.

    It really is about a different sensibility. If the Dutch lived in Tel Aviv, it would look completely different.

    Not as much as you imagine, because they would have faced the 1950s with no money, no housing, while having a doubling population of immigrants. The effect was to build whole cities of shanty-town, pre-fabricated constructions.

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  183. @Dissident X
    Hadith is to the Koran is as the Talmud is to the Torah, except that in Islam, there is a major schism between those that refute and reject the Hadith, Moslems, and those that accept it, takfiri heretics. In 'judaism' (a made-up word meaning nothing intrinsically), this schism has NOT occurred, and the extremist leadership runs the ideological collective.

    Islam respects all men as equal under a supreme being, whether they are in the house (i.e. Moslem) or not in the house. Torah-Talmudism is based on absolute rejection of the universality of people under the supreme being, self-recognizing only their common adherents as 'chosen' and worthy of and in receipt of the blessing and favour of the higher being.

    How truly pathetic is that? (very truly pathetic, it seems to me).

    All 'jews' should actually read the talmud, and then make up their minds whether they want to include themselves with with an affiliation for which systemic hatred is the basis for their identity.
    Many decent people would leave the value-proposition (favourable rights, i.e. more, and responsibilities i.e. less) and publicly disassociate themselves from these global gangsters.

    read "The Controversy of Zion" by Douglas Reed
    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    please, if you love this planet, encourage everyone you know, nicely, and politely, to read this book!

    read “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    please, if you love this planet, encourage everyone you know, nicely, and politely, to read this book!

    Agree.

    By far the best book on the topic, ever.

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    Thanks for the link but read this passage from the book by Reed and compare to the reality in the 21th century:

    Douglas Reed seems to have had some presentiment, for among the last words in his
    book are these: "I believe the Jews of the world are equally beginning to see the error of revolutionary
    Zionism, the twin of the other destructive movement, and, as this century ends, will at last decide to seek involvement in common mankind" .
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  184. @OilcanFloyd

    God, in the form of the United States Military, is on their side, always ready to smite down anyone who stands in the Jews’ way, just like it says in the Old Testament.
     
    What a statement! This is an admission that Jews would use the U.S. military to benefit a foreign nation. It also reveals the Jewish mindset that the Gentiles are to be used by Jews, and that's just going lightly and scratching the surface. I don't even think you are a troll!

    No wonder Jews have been expelled from one nation after another. Any non-Jew who isn't hostile towards Jewish culture, religion, power, and the Jewish collective is an idiot. Anti-Semitism is the natural reaction!

    Anti-Semitism is the not-always-equal and opposite reaction to Semitism. (Thank you Isaac Newton)

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    And if you don't wish to be acted upon, don't act upon others, or at least don't cry and lie about it afterwards.
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  185. @Anonymous
    Maybe i have missed something but where is that great imagination that so often accompanies high IQ in Jews? Maybe it is too much to expect of the octogenarian hero of this article but what is lacking is a discussion of what constitutional arrangements might be made in a state with a likely Palestinian majority to ensure Jews cpuld remsin comfortable and not suffer discrimination in Israel. There are plenty of ways in which the tyranny of the majority might be guarded against but in the end supreme judicature would be needed together with the mens to ensure its judgments prevailed. Maybe resort to outside bodies like tthe European. Court offf Justice or the International Court at the Hague with guarsntees from each of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council of positive action to support judgments would have to be considered.

    Why should the Palestinian majority be seen as a dead weight (when no worse)? The high level performaances in Israel's academe, economy and IDF are largely the product of its high IQ Ashkenazi descended population, or at all events, a small minority of Jews. The supposed average IQ in Israel of about 93 supports that view. Maybe future subdidies from the US would have to be, most sensibly, directed to making welfare state democracy workable by ensuring that modern prosperous democracies' problem of preventing the population's 200 per cent sense of entitlement does not overwhelm the state in populist friction and greed when the the 100 per cent which is reality and the 100 per cent which is potential remain far apart from the complacent sense of entitlement..

    Israel has no written constitution.

    More than you want to know about it here:

    http://knesset.gov.il/constitution/ConstIntro_eng.htm

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  186. @Complex Pseudonymic Handle
    Anti-Semitism is the not-always-equal and opposite reaction to Semitism. (Thank you Isaac Newton)

    And if you don’t wish to be acted upon, don’t act upon others, or at least don’t cry and lie about it afterwards.

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  187. Cuchulin says:

    Hasbara twaddle. Nobody believes this nonsense, even Israel’s supporters!

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  188. j2 says: • Website
    @jacques sheete

    read “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    please, if you love this planet, encourage everyone you know, nicely, and politely, to read this book!
     
    Agree.

    By far the best book on the topic, ever.

    Thanks for the link but read this passage from the book by Reed and compare to the reality in the 21th century:

    Douglas Reed seems to have had some presentiment, for among the last words in his
    book are these: “I believe the Jews of the world are equally beginning to see the error of revolutionary
    Zionism, the twin of the other destructive movement, and, as this century ends, will at last decide to seek involvement in common mankind” .

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  189. wrd9 says:
    @Randal
    Speaking as someone who fundamentally disagrees with the premise underlying the arguments made against Israel here (that ethnic/racial nationalism cannot be a viable basis for a state), but who (unlike most jewish people and Christian judeophile fruitcakes, who dominate the media and political discussion of Israel in the US sphere media) has no ulterior brief for Israel, it is sad to see yet another case of nationalism brought low by greedy over-reach.

    The path not taken was that of Israel recognising the scale of its own victory and the degree of security it actually had, after the 1973 war. If it had chosen honest compromise based upon a two state solution around the 1967 borders, by now it just might have established itself as a stable entity. Instead it chose fake negotiations as a cover for ongoing occupation and expansion, and the maintenance via its US poodle of a corrupt collaboration regime, in the PA, instead of recognising and dealing with honest representatives of the Palestinians, however (understandably) hostile towards Israel.

    Greed and expansionary overreach is the besetting risk of nationalism, but it is not inevitable that a nation will fall to it. Israel is perhaps unfortunate in having had bad leadership at crucial times, and bad men egging on that bad leadership from dubious positions of power and divided loyalty in the US.

    It might have been different. The idea of establishing a settler colonial jewish nation in the ME was inherently a bad one, and its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars, but it could perhaps have been made to work with more wisdom and less greed.

    I don’t understand why Siegman is not in all our leading papers and on the cable shows.
     
    LOL! Good one!

    “The idea of establishing a settler colonial jewish nation in the ME was inherently a bad one, and its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars,…”

    That comment is sheer stupidity.

    I don’t begrudge Israel any land. Muslims have massacred and persecuted Jews/Christians and others for centuries. Given that history and what the Ottoman Turks did to over 3 million Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians, the Palestinians and other Muslims should STFU. Payback is a bitch. Palestinians should have been absorbed long ago into the surrounding Muslim countries. Allowing Palestinians into Israel would only lead to another Lebanese type civil war. Muslims can’t be trusted in any capacity.

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    That comment is sheer stupidity.
     
    You should probably be more cautious about slinging such criticism around, if you are going to follow it by explaining that your idea of how to decide the rights and wrongs of modern day issues is based upon your vague, semi-informed and undoubtedly grossly biased opinions as to whose ancestors were nasty to whose in the general vicinity of the land in question.

    About the same level of intellectual heft as the average black apologist demanding "compensation" for slavery from people who had nothing to do with it.

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  190. wrd9 says:
    @Art
    Palestinians are actually Jordanians. That is Israel’s land, given to them by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob

    The god of the Jews is a puny little one tribe guy – his has an image of being mean, vindictive, unforgiving, and dishonest. His image has brought thousands of years of losing to his little tribe. They practice what he preaches, suffering the consequences, gaining the hate of their neighbors. It is unbelievable, but the Jews cannot give up their mean tribal loser god.

    On the other hand, the image of the Christian God is hopeful, loving, forgiving, and universal. His image is slowly bringing a neighborliness to humanity.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. This negative Jew god persists because Jew elders terrorize their children at a very early stage in their thinking, limiting their options to live a better hopeful more peaceful life.

    Currently the Christian God is a fucking Cuck. Turning the other cheek during these times is idiotic and suicidal.

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    Currently the Christian God is a fucking Cuck.

    Without question the Old Testament mean vengeful Jew g d has America by the balls.

    But there have been no real battles yet, where both sides are engaged.

    That is changing - the forces of good are wakening.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. The Jew g d creates chaos that eventually is self consuming, and must burn itself out.

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  191. Art says:
    @wrd9
    Currently the Christian God is a fucking Cuck. Turning the other cheek during these times is idiotic and suicidal.

    Currently the Christian God is a fucking Cuck.

    Without question the Old Testament mean vengeful Jew g d has America by the balls.

    But there have been no real battles yet, where both sides are engaged.

    That is changing – the forces of good are wakening.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. The Jew g d creates chaos that eventually is self consuming, and must burn itself out.

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  192. Randal says:
    @wrd9
    "The idea of establishing a settler colonial jewish nation in the ME was inherently a bad one, and its enactment was probably the greatest crime and catastrophe of the C20th after the two world wars,..."

    That comment is sheer stupidity.

    I don't begrudge Israel any land. Muslims have massacred and persecuted Jews/Christians and others for centuries. Given that history and what the Ottoman Turks did to over 3 million Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians, the Palestinians and other Muslims should STFU. Payback is a bitch. Palestinians should have been absorbed long ago into the surrounding Muslim countries. Allowing Palestinians into Israel would only lead to another Lebanese type civil war. Muslims can't be trusted in any capacity.

    That comment is sheer stupidity.

    You should probably be more cautious about slinging such criticism around, if you are going to follow it by explaining that your idea of how to decide the rights and wrongs of modern day issues is based upon your vague, semi-informed and undoubtedly grossly biased opinions as to whose ancestors were nasty to whose in the general vicinity of the land in question.

    About the same level of intellectual heft as the average black apologist demanding “compensation” for slavery from people who had nothing to do with it.

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  193. Talha says:

    Other demographic concerns…remember this one from 2013…

    “Israel Admits Ethiopian Women Were Given Birth Control Shots…A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera. Health Ministry Director General Prof. Roni Gamzu has instructed the four health maintenance organizations to stop the practice as a matter of course…About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The womens testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israels Ethiopian community.”

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-ethiopians-fooled-into-birth-control-1.5226424

    Peace.

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    “Israel Admits Ethiopian Women Were Given Birth Control Shots…A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera.
     
    Talha,

    The only conclusion that we can come to is that the Jews have no Western ethics.

    The only thing that matters to them is their tribal Jew needs and wants.

    Doing this to your own people is very bad - doing it to others is evil.

    Think Peace --- Art
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  194. Terdell says:
    @DaveE
    Oh, those noble Jews! One-hundred years of dirty deals, cold-blooded murder, terrorism, ethnic cleansing by several armies, broken promises, lies and false-flag attacks of the most brutal nature.......

    ...... then FINALLY, a voice from the Jewish wilderness cries out, "Enough!"

    Yeah, my a$$. This is nothing but a prime example of what Noam Chomsky calls, "the standard Jewish tactic of appearing to switch sides, last minute, to avoid being blamed".

    If there's any good news in this, it's that MAYBE these cowardly child-killers have good reason to be nervous.

    DaveE, as someone who has already chortled through about 200 rants you have written (going back to your bogus lawsuit in Seattle; is it true that you settled for 3 magic beans, Mr. Ellis?) I implore you to not give up on what you were meant to do. They miss the hell out of you at VeteransToday, where the newer crop of commenters is even more hopeless and mentally deranged than the 2012-13 group you hung out. Go back and show them the way! You can do it! You make me laugh, by the way.

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  195. Art says:
    @Talha
    Other demographic concerns...remember this one from 2013...

    "Israel Admits Ethiopian Women Were Given Birth Control Shots...A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera. Health Ministry Director General Prof. Roni Gamzu has instructed the four health maintenance organizations to stop the practice as a matter of course...About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The womens testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israels Ethiopian community."
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-ethiopians-fooled-into-birth-control-1.5226424

    Peace.

    “Israel Admits Ethiopian Women Were Given Birth Control Shots…A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera.

    Talha,

    The only conclusion that we can come to is that the Jews have no Western ethics.

    The only thing that matters to them is their tribal Jew needs and wants.

    Doing this to your own people is very bad – doing it to others is evil.

    Think Peace — Art

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    #196 was for you.
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  196. RobinG says:

    “Western ethics.?” ___ Are you completely unaware of the long history of not only birth control , but also forced sterilization – often without the subjects knowing [such as two 15 year old girls who went in hospital for tonsillectomies] until it had been done – in the US ??

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    “Western ethics.?” ___ Are you completely unaware of the long history of not only birth control , but also forced sterilization – often without the subjects knowing
     
    One wrong does not justify another wrong - it is important to condemn both - thank you.

    Think Peace --- Art
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  197. RobinG says:
    @Art

    “Israel Admits Ethiopian Women Were Given Birth Control Shots…A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera.
     
    Talha,

    The only conclusion that we can come to is that the Jews have no Western ethics.

    The only thing that matters to them is their tribal Jew needs and wants.

    Doing this to your own people is very bad - doing it to others is evil.

    Think Peace --- Art

    #196 was for you.

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  198. Art says:
    @RobinG
    "Western ethics.?" ___ Are you completely unaware of the long history of not only birth control , but also forced sterilization - often without the subjects knowing [such as two 15 year old girls who went in hospital for tonsillectomies] until it had been done - in the US ??

    “Western ethics.?” ___ Are you completely unaware of the long history of not only birth control , but also forced sterilization – often without the subjects knowing

    One wrong does not justify another wrong – it is important to condemn both – thank you.

    Think Peace — Art

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