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I have become weary of the dancing around by politicians and denial by Jewish organizations over what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians. That anyone can with a straight face deny that there is anything wrong with a nearly fifty year occupation and strangling of the Palestinians because they have been demonized as “terrorists” or possibly only because they are not Jews is abhorrent. A new United Nations report states that Gaza will be completely uninhabitable in five years. Palestinians get imprisoned by Israel and gassed or shot if they look sideways at their occupiers. Fanatical settlers tear up olive trees that have fed the locals for hundreds of years, steal their land, vandalize and burn their houses churches and mosques, even kill them and are only rarely pursued or punished. Israel is the ugly face of a fascist state and calling it apartheid is to minimize its criminality as it does not even necessarily seek to set up a parallel state for the Arabs it controls. A number of leading Israeli politicians and journalists seek to remove them completely.

All of that said, as a committed anti-interventionist, I have to believe both that what goes on between Israel and the Palestinians should pretty much be none of our business but for the fact that a powerful domestic lobby has forced us to be involved. Jews and Arabs probably would have resolved their differences by now if Washington had not coddled corrupt Palestinian leaders while simultaneously empowering Israel to make a lot of bad choices. To be sure our government should feel free to speak up whenever foreign governments behave badly, but the tendency to impose sanctions, which don’t work, intervene directly, or even invade to deal with regimes that do not conform to our standards has brought nothing but grief, most particularly over the past fifteen years. One might even reasonably argue that it is Washington’s lame brained interventions have themselves destabilized the Middle East and caused the terrorism and refugee problems emanating from that region to metastasize.

Which is not to say that Israeli politicians have not become adept at shooting themselves in their own feet before the court of world opinion, which is becoming increasingly engaged in what is going on. Just when one thinks that Benjamin Netanyahu cannot possibly morph into something more horrible he astounds the observer by doing just that.

Netanyahu’s most recent foray grew out of a late August incident on the West Bank. A series of photographs plus video footage from a protest in the Palestinian village of Nabi Saleh appeared in the media. They showed a masked IDF soldier trying to arrest a young boy accused of throwing stones, followed by scenes of his mother and teenage sister trying to rescue him. The pictures and video reveal a crying and struggling 11 year old Mohammed Tamimi, with his broken arm in a cast, being held in a headlock and sat upon by the soldier, armed with an assault rifle. The boy’s mother then intervened, pulling on the mask while Mohammed’s 15 year old sister joined in to bite the soldier’s wrist, compelling him to free the boy. The soldier released him, backed off and then threw a grenade at the family.

Predictably, Israel’s apologists complained that the Palestinians had attacked the soldier who was only defending himself and they quickly flooded the social media with claims that it was all a set-up, which they even dubbed “Pallywood.” And inevitably Benjamin Netanyahu joined in the debate, blaming the Arabs for what transpired, calling them “terrorists.” He stated that he would recommend that Israeli soldiers be authorized to fire live rounds to protect themselves in similar situations where children are throwing rocks. Netanyahu was reportedly responding to demands from settlers for more aggressive action against Palestinians, completely ignoring the reality that the Arabs have been defending themselves from settler harassment and worse and the soldiers represent an occupying army. Some in the Israeli media and government also advised that as the soldier had been “humiliated” by the Palestinian women he should have shot them, but Bibi did not go quite that far. At least not yet.

In the United States the hasbara jumped on both stories, notably in comments sections on Yahoo and on other sites using constant repetition of the same arguments, often to include repeated misspellings and poor syntax suggesting that their “information” came from a common source in the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The names the hasbara commenters use to post are characteristically American sounding, similar to the Anglo names used by employees of the obnoxious call centers in India and the Philippines when they interrupt you at dinner time. In the hasbara comments rocks thrown by the Palestinian children were repeatedly and improbably described as “football sized.” In other pushback, a Reuters account of the Netanyahu hard line, possibly acting under pressure from Jewish groups, changed the key word in its headline from “shoot” young Palestinians to “target” them.

But in this case, Benjamin Netanyahu’s horse has already left the stable. His new orders to shoot Palestinian children have been de facto operational for some time with punishments rarer than hens’ teeth for those Israeli Defense Forces commandoes who pull their triggers on six year olds. That kind of killing has been almost routine, exhibited dramatically during last July’s execution of four young boys playing soccer on a beach in Gaza. The boys were killed by Israeli rockets in full sight of a number of international and media observers. The Israeli government subsequently conducted an “extensive investigation” that nevertheless did not interview many eye witnesses, to include a Guardian journalist. Not surprisingly it absolved itself from blame for the deaths.

And beyond that singular bit of barbarity, numerous other Palestinian children have also been abducted, imprisoned and murdered by the Israeli Army and border police. International monitors reckon that 2,061 Palestinian children have been killed by Israel since September 2000 versus 133 Israeli children murdered in the same time frame by Palestinians. The body count is deplorable on either side but at some point Netanyahu has to come to recognize that the constant barrage of videos, photos and eyewitness testimony recording the mindless brutality of the occupation of the West Bank will influence public opinion to such an extent that Israel will become everyone’s pariah state.

Recently more than 100,000 Britons signed a petititon demanding that Benjamin Netanyahu be arrested for war crimes on an upcoming visit to the UK while Israel’s resistance to the Iranian nuclear deal, when subjected to a United Nations vote, resulted in Tel Aviv lining up against the entire rest of the world including the United States. Pictures of children being manhandled by two hundred pound soldiers create a lasting impression, one that inevitably influences how people react when the subject of Israel comes up. Netanyahu may think that he can maintain course forever with the uncritical backing of the United States but forever is a long time and even in the U.S. things can change.

 

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  1. Binyamin Netanyahu is insane. Israelis are brutally insane. That the “official” United States of America supports this insanity is desperation on the cusp of madness.

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  2. as long as the american veto and military got it’s back, israel would continue to do whatever it wants.

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  3. I found two instances of Israeli aggression against Christians in just one week. Only foreign outlets are willing to carry the increasingly anti-Christian nature of Israeli oppression.

    http://odysseusontherocks.blogspot.com/2015/09/our-noble-allies-wont-take-any-guff.html

    http://odysseusontherocks.blogspot.com/2015/08/our-noble-allies-taking-no-guff-from.html

    The victims are of the Roman Catholic persuasion, so American “Christian Zionists” wouldn’t care even if they knew.

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  4. Great headline, Dr. Giraldi. But are you, after all, a Zionist?

    You cite “…a nearly fifty year occupation…”, but the occupation started in 1949, and on May 15, Palestinians marked 67 years of Nakba.

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/palestine-commemorates-67-years-ongoing-nakba-873667795

    You continued, “Jews and Arabs probably would have resolved their differences by now if Washington had not coddled corrupt Palestinian leaders while simultaneously empowering Israel…” These difference might never have arisen, had the Zionists not indulged not only in ethnic cleansing, but the destruction of any evidence of Palestinian culture and society.

    As Alison Weir has articulated so well, the Zionist Lobby’s influence on the US began well before 1947. Without Washington as a midwife, there might not be an Israel to abuse its power.
    While Alison maintains a judicious impartiality, others are direct in condemning the whole Zionist project. Miko Peled describes one white racist (Balfour) promising another white racist (Rothschild) land belonging to a brown (Arab) people.

    Miko Peled at 2015 National Convention of Veterans for Peace

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  5. “Israel is the ugly face of a fascist state”

    Wait a minute.

    These kind of policies were carried out by political systems long before the advent of fascism.

    True fascism is a noble thing.

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  6. Recently more than 100,000 Britons signed a petititon demanding that Benjamin Netanyahu be arrested for war crimes on an upcoming visit to the UK

    I’d simply point out the UK had amended its application of international law in recent years so ‘Israeli moderate’ Tipsi Livni could visit without fear of arrest over the crimes of the 2008-09 ‘Operation Cast Lead.’ Bibi has precisely zero to be concerned about having to with visiting UK.

    But this does (in my thoughts) bring up what is too often overlooked; the fact Netanyahu and his ilk would never survive to pursue their crime sprees if it were not for some ninety million American conservative Christians, most of whom adopt an ‘Israel can do no wrong’ position because of embracing Biblical literalism, one could call these people ‘millennials.’ The fact this is slightly less that 1/3 of the American demographic doesn’t automatically confer a minority status insofar as the amount of influence they project … for the fact they are largely in solidarity having to with what amounts to their projecting a fait accompli or the idea most of humanity is doomed according to prophecy and that centers on the establishing (re-establishing in their view) a ‘Greater Israel.’ They’re simply better organized than their opposition and probably larger, when taking into account those many Americans who’re alienated from political process or disengaged for whatever other reasons.

    None of this excuses Netanyahu but there is plenty of blame (or mental illness, your choice) to go around. It’s not only the Israelis; a rational argument might be made it is not primarily the Israelis are the social drivers (enablers) for the crimes of the state of Israel.

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  7. Palestinians under Israeli occupation have higher mean life expectancy, lower child mortality, higher per capita income than the Middle East average. None of the examples of oppression cited by this author are anything other than routine in Arab countries. The likelihood is that an independent Palestine would decline to the regional average, as, indeed Gaza has done since Israel left.

    The bottom line is that the hysterical opposition to Israel exemplified by this article only makes sense in the context of blanket denial of HBD. Once one deals with the fact that chronic violence political instability and tyranny, and economic backwardness are ineradicable features of any large Arab society, then it makes no sense to obsess about a place where Arabs are a bit less misruled than they would rule themselves.please

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  8. This sounds a bit tendentious. One could write an article about the incident in the video below and say “shooting mentally ill men armed with screwdrivers is now the official policy of Obama”. Doesn’t make it so.

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  9. So, unable to defeat the Israeli menace themselves, the “men” of these barbaric lands send their children to do the same work in the court of public opinion, all for nothing, because the end of Israel will gain them nothing. They will still remain in poverty, ignorance, and barbarism and be encouraged to blame everyone but their own ridiculous belief system.

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  10. And what would Mr Phillip Giraldi do when Muslim yoofs are throwing stones at him? How about at him and his family? Would he submit to Allah or has he already sent in his pre-submission papers to the Ummah?
    How does someone with the patronymic Giraldi feel about Italy and and Germany pre-submitting to the legions of Allah invaders- refugees? Don’t answer me Mr Giraldi. Please think about this— Pathetic female ruled Germany submits to taking in 800,000 mostly Muslim invaders while Israel refuses to. And for this you heap calumny on Israel? Yes I used this phrase before. You are proof that with age does not come wisdom. Why does Unz the Jew even host your Israel/Jew hatred? Once again, think about it! Those who are not thinking and rethinking (reconsidering) every day are dying.

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  12. Once again I appreciate the Unz.com policy of passing through hostile comments. How soon before the I love Iranian Muslim Mullahs/// hate Israel and Jews faction kicks in? Most of whom seem like Paulistas and crypto/wannabe/Muslims? Yeah honor Allah and all religions and all that transparent jive.

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  13. Perhaps Giraldi would elect not to be part of a squatter movement intent on stealing the land of others.

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  14. Mr. Giraldi,

    Kudos on your constantly-growing acquisition of the focused attention of the Hasbara Pursuit Patrol.

    JJS

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  15. Just another great example of Israel’s “remarkable restraint” Randy Paul explains to the American people Phil:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/381726/tragedy-israel-rand-paul

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  16. The hasbara working for the Israeli government responding above in defense of Israel’s barbaric ethnic cleansing and/or genocide on the installment plan prove how depraved and fascist Israel has become. That’s reality just as the U.S. is becoming the same in following a step behind with what we do in support of Israel in having made the mideast uninhabitable for anyone but Israelis. These defenders of Israel’s keeping Palestinians a captive people show they are every bit as depraved now as right-wing Germans were in the 1940s. They sound identical.

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  17. “legions of Allah invaders- refugees”: If there were the slightest bit of justice in this world the United States would accept the majority of the Arab refugees now in or headed to Europe. The US invaded and destroyed the Iraqi state, it refused to encourage a settlement of the Syrian civil war which would leave the Assad regime in place and it participated in the destruction of the Libyan state.

    Say what you like, but this is a major game changer in the relations between Europe and the US. European politicians are going to put the blame for this exodus squarely where it belongs; on the Neocon and Liberal interventionist Middle Eastern policy of the United States Government, promoted, of course, by israel Firsters in government (Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby, etc.,etc.) and in the media (too numerous to mention but two examples from the NYT areJudith Miller and Michael Gordon).

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  18. If there were no Zionism in Palestine in 1917,there would be no stones to throw at the Zionist in 1990 and later.
    If there were no Zionism ,there would be no Iraq war and the refugees from Iraq,Syria,Sudan,Nigeria ,and Mali would be istill sitting tight in their respective poor undeveloped countries .

    What’s the game plan of Zio now? After destabilizing levant ,they want to destabilize Europe . In the process they expect to kill few more families and exile few more Beduins and get extra doles from Germany and America- Germany for allowing the refugee ( or may be because it hasnt supported Israeli behaviors lately ) and Anerica for sealing the negotiation.

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  19. the domestic Jew-power in America – control of the Central Bank, resultant ownership of “both” political parties, near complete control of the MSM, etc. – is many times more important than the Christian Zionist factor. Here’s Netanyahu, caught on an open mike awhile back, describing Israel’s attitude toward “Christian Zionists”:

    “scum…but useful”

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  20. Israel kills where it can get away with the killing. Israel pays where it can’t . TNR is the space where the masks of those paid and bought come off smoothly. They would have ” killed” him if he were not at least officially on this big huge Sale Event .They did ” kill” Chass Freeman and wanted to ” kill” Chuck Hegel and also Samantha Power but they folded .

    Was it in TNR from where Buckley was forced to fire Joe Sorbon?
    Don’t the Zio love freedom of speech? They do when they have to create freedom to lie by commissioning a book like Exodus of Leon Uris or create an atmosphere of Arab hating atmosphere in Hollywood,FOX,and in academy or in town hall meetings.

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  21. Uh-oh–this means the American news-entertainment industry will have to re-run a dozen or so Holocaust movies, documentaries, etc.

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  22. Com’on, at least they are not hiding behind good ol’ Anglo names, as Giraldi described previous encounters. But the rubbish they write is as usual.

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  23. Also on the legal front:

    “The Israeli Knesset was expected to advance Wednesday a controversial bill that significantly broadens the definition of terrorism and toughens punishment for many offenses deemed terror-related. The bill widens the definition of terrorist acts and organizations and lengthens punishments for terror-related offenses…”

    “According to the new bill, the punishment for threatening to perform a terrorist act is equal to performing such an act. The bill also doubles punishment for terror-related activities, to up to 30 years in prison.”

    “The legislation states that anyone who expresses solidarity with a terrorist group will face up to three years’ incarceration. That includes organizations that support but do not commit acts of terror and Palestinian charities affiliated with Hamas.”

    “Anyone over the age of 12 can be prosecuted for terrorist involvement, and a wide range of activities — including wearing a shirt with a terror organization’s name on it — constitute such involvement.”

    -Josefin Dolsten, The Times of Israel ‘Knesset expected to advance sweeping anti-terror bill’ 2 Sep 2015

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-expected-to-pass-sweeping-anti-terror-bill/

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  25. I have grown accustomed to seeing cleverly-shaded anti-Semitism from Giraldi. So it goes. He has a right to his opinions.

    But there’s a special kind of stupidity required to not know who the “palestinians” are, where they came from, and what violent actions they have been engaged in. (Hint: there is no such thing as a “palestinian”, merely Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese and Jordanians who were abandoned in “palestine” when the map of the middle east was redrawn after WW2.) The faking of “atrocities” against “palestinians” for fawning left-wing journalists is well documented if one makes the effort of googling for them.

    And since Giraldi is not stupid…his clear bias towards the “palestinians” is not a matter of ignorance but rather deliberate deception in furtherance of his anti-Israel beliefs.

    Quite a telling choice of allies you have made, Giraldi. If every “palestinian” in the world died tomorrow, the world will have lost…nothing. No symphonies lost, no great novels lost, no world-changing inventions lost. But look at you, working yourself into a lather to defend that human detritus. Not that you would ever actually take in a “palestinian” as a refugee.

    Contrast with Israel, who makes significant contributions to the world economy, technology and culture. But who needs any of that?

    Time to move on, Phil. This particular windmill is dented up from all of your tilting at it.

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  26. Just FYI: one can be very seriously injured, even killed, by a well-thrown stone.

    After appropriate warnings issued by an officer, should an officer decide the danger is sufficient, soldiers should be free to shoot stone-throwers. First with rubber bullets. Then with real ones if that doesn’t work. Whether they are kids or not.

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  27. What in the name of heavens are the soldiers doing in the West Bank and Gaza in the first place? Many, if not most of these soldiers are simply taking orders reluctantly and have little genuine interest in playing the part of oppressors of a civilian population. Your kind makes me sick. The same applies for the piece of human waste on comment #25. Tell me have either of you actually been on the ground in Gaza or the WB?

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  29. GroundhogObserver gets an A+. He or she presented Nazi propaganda themes to perfection. “Superior races” must stick together it would seem. EAH only gets an A.

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  30. “football sized” you say?…. one guy was commenting about catapults. These hasbara trolls aren’t even trying anymore.

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  31. Yeah. Those stones man. Why waste money on armor piercing bullets when stones can do the job just fine.

    Kevlar? Pshh a stone will slice through that like a hot knife through butter. Don’t even get me started on how easily it is to take down a Merkava with a stone. Rumor has it that Hamas and Hezbollah are both researching stone-technology to attempt to create a stone-based anti-air weapon.

    Why does Hamas and Hezbollah even bother with rockets when stones can do the trick, after all Goliath was felled by Davids stone. Sounds legit.

    Stones. Spreading fear through modern military forces since 2000 BC.

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  32. European politicians are going to put the blame for this exodus squarely where it belongs

    One can only hope. Unfortunately, they have been major cheerleaders for all these interventions.

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  33. Maybe tyhese immigrants should rerturn to their real homelands(Russia,Ukraine,Poland,etc)

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  34. Good try, but no cigar.

    The ’6M & gas chambers’ are laughable, easily debunked frauds. The world is finding out.

    http://www.codoh.com

    Jews have been marketing their fraudulent 6,000,000′ since 1869.
    see proof here:

    http://holocaustscam.com

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  35. @brother john

    “but their own ridiculous belief system.”

    I address this to you and others like you, only. It is quite possible that I will be offending many decent members here, but my allegiance is only to my faith.

    ———

    Let’s consider the alternatives. Since you are quite possibly from the west, I will stick to the following 3 most prevalent belief systems there;

    1. Christianity: A belief system, which believes that God ‘begot a son’ (how exactly?), so that He could forgive the sinful humans. Why would God Almighty take the form of a lowly human? How about all those who were born before Christ? Then there is this mysterious ghost that one needs to believe in, ‘purely on faith.’

    2. Judaism: A belief system, which originated as polytheist, but now claims to be strictly monotheist. A belief system which believes God assigned a small (really small) group of people to be superior to everyone else, and these ‘chosen ones’ are supposed to lord over the other ‘sub-humans.’

    3. Atheism: A belief system, where the thought process is; everything materialised out of nothing. What are the chances of a random bunch of atoms joining to form intelligent life?

    ——–

    Islam: A belief system, which believes that God is infinite. He is One and has no equivalent. He has no partners. He has no needs. In His infinite wisdom, He created man, put him on earth, as a test of who will worship and glorify Him, Him only, unseen, with the promise of a great reward. He chose messengers from among normal humans to show the way to others. A way which he has made open to any and all.

    Now, considering these and other unmentioned alternatives, you ridicule Islam at your own peril.

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  36. Uhh, yeah, whatever.

    Albert Ebossé, a football player from Cameroon, was killed by a thrown object last year.

    Australian cricket player Phillip Hughes died last year when a cricket ball bounced up, found a way through his protective helmet, and hit him in the head.

    Between 2010 and 2014 Border Patrol agents were assaulted with rocks 1,700 times, they fired weapons at rock throwers 43 times, resulting in 10 deaths. Border Patrol agents are permitted to respond to rock-throwers with lethal weapons,… — gee, I wonder why that is?

    But I’m sure a stone wouldn’t hurt a tough guy like you.

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  37. There are many US Jews who speak out against Israeli crimes. Some, like Albert Lilienthal, were anti-Zionist and opposed the creation of Israel from the start. http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ has a long history of opposition to Israeli atrocities, and many Jews are in leadership positions in http://endtheoccupation.org/. Individuals like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein have spoken out against it for years. Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure at DePaul in retaliation for his opposition. Jews are also active, some in leadership, of the BDS movement.

    Your use of the term “Jew-power” is a deliberate anti-semitic conflation of “Jew” with “Zionist” and plays into the hands of hasbara efforts to label all who oppose Israeli policies as anti-semitic or self-hating Jews. Your post is so blatant that I wonder if it isn’t false flag, actually intended to support such ad hominem attacks on Palestinians and their defenders.

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  38. This morning George Perkovich introduced Harry Reid who spoke at Carnegie Institute for International Peace about why US MUST sign the nuclear deal becaus “for 50 years I have supported Israel; I have spent my entire career in government supporting Israel, the only democracy in the ME; the Iran deal is good; we must sign it, if we do not the US will be isolated.

    But we must assure Israel’s qualitative military edge; we have to give them more money to defend themselves now that Iran will have more money to spend on its terror proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah.” US is intent on ensuring that IDF can continue to “target” Palestinian children.

    Reid said “Iran cannot be trusted; Iran threatens to wipe Israel off the map.”

    Reid is not a Christian zionist; his wife is Jewish; he spoke of falling in love with Israel 50 years ago the first time he went to dinner with his girlfriend now wife.

    Shortly after C Span carried Reid’s talk, it replayed Dick Cheney’s talk in opposition to the Iran deal at AEI.

    Cheney said “Iran cannot be trusted; Iran threatens to wipe Israel off the map; the key pillar of Iran policy is death to America; we must continue to support Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East.”

    The Iraqi ambassador (?) asked: “Some say Saddam could have been contained and Iraq now would be in better shape. Would the ME situation in be better if Iran were contained?”

    Cheney said he disagreed with the premise of the question: Saddam still in charge in Iraq would be far worse than the situation in Iraq today.

    He said that Iran cannot be contained because the US military has been hollowed out; US readiness is at its lowest level in history — 200 years. Every member of JCoS said his branch has obsolete equipment and its budgets have been chopped by sequestration. The US requires a military buildup before it can contemplate containing Iran.Cheney is not a Christian zionist.

    Don Nash and others say “Bibi is insane.”
    Crazy like a fox.

    Israel gets US taxpayer money and advanced weaponry at a time when US “qualitative military edge ” is at its lowest point.

    Andrew Bacevich has argued several times that “Israel defends it own interests, as states do. The problem is that the US does not defend its own interests.”

    Bibi’s father, whom Avigail Abarbanel has analyzed as “psychopathic; not right in the head,” was a key acolyte of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the godfather of Jewish militant zionism. Under Jabotinsky zionism, the British, who had supported the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, the British were bombed at King David hotel and driven out of their “supportive” role in Palestine: on “insane” Benzion Netnayahu’s watch, zionists turned on their British sponsors and financiers.
    Zionoists have a deeper history of turning on their closest sponsors and friends — Esther, one of Bibi’s favorite figures, comes to mind. So does Chaim Weizmann.

    The US Congress and leading “thought-leaders” in US foreign policy are setting up Israel, the zionist state that has a deep history of turning on its friends, to possess qualitative superiority over the USA, using USA taxpayers dollars and blood.

    Who is insane?

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  39. Jews and Arabs probably would have resolved their differences by now if Washington had not coddled corrupt Palestinian leaders while simultaneously empowering Israel to make a lot of bad choices.

    Yes, since we all know neither Jews nor Arabs are rational moral agents bearing any responsibility for the conflicts they find themselves in.

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  40. One critic of Philip Giraldi’s fine article asks, “Why does Unz the Jew even host your Israel/Jew hatred?” Leaving aside the foolish suggestion that Giraldi is motivated by “Jew hatred,” the answer is this: Ron Unz is a man of honor, an advocate for tolerance and peace, and a discerning publisher who has made his Review indispensable for serious students of international problems, particularly in regard to the Middle East. The idea that he should subordinate his belief in fairness to mere tribalism reveals a very strange mind at work.

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  41. Unfortunately, the madness that is fanatical Israeli fascism/Zionism, based as it is upon pathological ethnocentrism, fear, and loathing attendant upon the tragic Jewish racial history, only thrives on the the modern world’s increasing disgust and revulsion in reaction to Israel’s crimes against captive Palestinian civilian populations in the West Bank and Gaza, which the IDF uses as laboratory rats for the purposes of weapons testing.

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  42. If every “palestinian” in the world died tomorrow, the world will have lost…nothing. No symphonies lost, no great novels lost, no world-changing inventions lost. But look at you, working yourself into a lather to defend that human detritus.

    Thank you for your candid expression of typical Zionist bigotry, racism and just plain ignorance.

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  43. I’m a bit confused.

    If Israeli soldiers are indeed so violent and trigger happy how was this girl and her mother able to get so close to this soldier that they could bite him and rip his mask off?

    Wouldn’t the soldier – or one of his comrades – shoot these two dead?

    Perhaps Giraldi can explain.

    Incidentally, perhaps Giraldi should also mention that this girl has long been a bit of a Palestinian media celebrity and her father has a long history of ant-Israel violence.

    This episode was not exactly a spontaneous act.

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  44. Ron Unz is a man of honor

    You must’ve missed this comment from Unz:

    You’re not related to that Bryce Williams fellow who shot those news reporters by any chance?…

    But if you say so.

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  45. Great piece. Tough, with Israeli perspective, these children are the ‘future terrorist’ – hence, must be targeted for killing. Open range for child killing!

    Posted (linked back) at The News Scouter
    A News Aggregator for the News, Editorials, and Information Sorted and Categorized for Easy Read.

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  46. { If every “palestinian” in the world died tomorrow, the world will have lost…nothing. No symphonies lost, no great novels lost, no world-changing inventions lost}

    That is really low.
    By your logic, Nazis should have been allowed to exterminate all the Jews, right ?
    Since Nazi German scientists created some of the technological breakthroughs that are used today by everyone: jet engine, rockets,…
    If the 1000 year Reich was allowed to exist, imagine all the technological wonders we’d be enjoying today.

    { Contrast with Israel, who makes significant contributions to the world economy, technology and culture.}

    There is no doubt that Israel is technologically advanced.
    But to compare contributions/creations of Israeli Jews vs Palestinians living in open air prisons of Gaza and West Bank is desperate.
    Israel benefits from about $10 billion in transfers from US annually.
    Israel borrows, copies, steals technology developed in US that costs US taxpayers 10s of billions annually.
    So how well would Israel do without the massive support from US.

    Israel tried to develop their own jet fighter, the Lavi.
    Even with massive US-taxpayer financing of the project, the Israeli pride&joy went up like a lead balloon.
    The useless Iron Dome, which Israel keeps boasting about, is a copy US Patriot.

    About a million Jews emigrated from USSR to Israel.
    Amongst those were 10s of 1000s of high caliber engineers, scientists, etc.
    Ready made, highly educated talent: educated at the expense of Soviet taxpayers.
    With all its economic faults, USSR’s education system was world class.

    And Jewish intellectuals have done well in Western societies, _because_ of Western (Christian) societies.
    How many world class Jewish intellectuals have been produced by Jewish communities residing for generations in Muslim majority countries (…Iran, Turkey, etc).

    And, again, by your own logic: if Israel disappeared tomorrow – which I do not wish – its contributions to world economy would not even be a blip.
    Nobody would care.
    Some other country would fill the tiny economic void.

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  47. “With all its faults USSR’s education system was world class”

    Not quite.

    Many of the Soviet engineers, scientists and doctors who emigrated to Israel and the U.S. needed intense retraining to bring their skills up to western levels.

    Furthermore, many of these people had their professional levels downgraded. For instance, someone who was considered an engineer in the Soviet Union was qualified only as a technician in Israel or the U.S.

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  48. Yes, quite.

    [..eight Soviet-Jewish scientists - recent immigrants - work amid a jumbled array of electronic equipment, computers, technical drawings and thick research books with tiny print.
    ''It's a sort of social apartheid - the Russians do the science and the Westerners do the marketing,'' Alan Clayman, the British-born vice president of operations, said with a laugh. ]

    [But the Soviet-Jewish scientists are the raison d'etre behind Satec, a small high-tech company founded in 1987 to attract Soviet Jewish brainpower to Israel - brainpower that might otherwise be inclined to move to the United States.
    Satec was originally conceived as a pilot project that would demonstrate to a broad array of businesses that they, too, could help absorb Soviet-Jewish immigrants - more than half of whom are scientists, engineers or academics - into Israel. ]

    [Emmanuel Yashchin, a 56-year-old specialist in radio physics who came to Israel in 1987, describes Satec as ''the only place where a Russian scientist can start work without previous experience in Western conditions.'']

    “…where a Russian scientist can start work without previous experience in Western conditions.”: there is your alleged “intense retraining”.
    Nothing more than different ways and means of doing things in USSR vs. the West.

    (above excerpt from 1989 New York Times article)

    http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/03/business/in-israel-a-way-to-woo-more-soviet-jews.html

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  49. Nazi’s said the Jews were subhuman and defective.

    The results of IQ testing, and the actual artistic, technological and economic achievements of Jews prove otherwise.

    So, how can I be presenting Nazi propaganda themes when the facts clearly invalidate those Nazi themes?

    Nice demonstration of Godwin’s Law, though. Thx for that, “Adolph”.

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  50. This is a bad bad situation.

    Jews should never have decided to settle West Bank.

    During the Six Day War, Jews should have pushed all Arabs in Israel to West Bank. That way, West Bank would have been all Palestinian and Israel would have been all Jewish.

    Instead, Jews decided to settle West Bank, and now Jews got diversity problems in both areas.

    Purely from the perspective of hard pragmatism, Israel’s ruthless policy is effective. Offense is best defense. Given the amount of rage and hatred among Palestinians–justified given their own history of being expelled and occupied in their own homelands–, anti-Jewish hatred will not abate among Palestinians. And Palestinians will look for any sign of weakness in Israel to go on the offensive and commit all sorts of attacks. They would be acts of terrorism and justified given the Occupation. After all, Vietnamese and Algerians used terrorism to drive out the imperialists.

    But there’s a time to call it quits even when the violence is justified because it is futile and self-defeating. After all, American Indians have the moral right to fight to regain their land, but it would be pointless since they are not gonna succeed. It will just lead to violence against innocent people.

    But given the Palestinian mindset, Pallies are looking for any sign of weakness to hit Israel and hurt/kill Jews. We saw this in the late 90s when peace plan was in the works. Many Palestinians — and of course Zionists too — used the relative laxity to ramp up the violence, which got so out of hand, which is why Israel began to erect these massive walls and fences. Some might say that certain Jewish elements provoked Palestinians into violence so as to find a rationale for cracking down hard and grabbing more Palestinian territory.
    But regardless, there is a lot of hatred and anger among Palestinians, much of it understandable. Consider this video:

    A lot of Palestinians feel this way, and this feeling is not going away anytime soon. One could blame Bibi for this hatred, and in a way, Bibi’s policies have inflamed the tensions even more. But here’s the difficult truth. Suppose Israel had been ruled by the nicest Jew in the world who is willing to make huge concessions to Palestinians. I don’t see the violence problem being better. Rather, many Palestinians would have seen it as a sign of weakness and gone on the offensive. If anything, the violence today could be even worse.
    Look at South Africa after whites decided to be nice and make peace. Blacks have been robbing, raping, and murdering whites in huge numbers. And it was when American whites finally decided to be go Full Nice with the Negro that Negroes began to really go nuts.

    You have to know the nature of the enemy. From the Palestinian viewpoint, Jews cannot be trusted because there are too many Jews who want all of West Bank and want to crush Palestinians forever. Any Palestinian who trusts Jews is nuts.
    But from the Zionist viewpoint, it’d be foolish to believe that Palestinians are good-willed. After all, Palestinians have been seething with rage for so many decades now, and this rage will not go away. It’s gotten to the point where kindness will no longer pay dividends. There is only perpetual hatred and war for both sides.
    Given this reality, the best defense is offense. Israel has to keep pushing on Palestinians to force Palestinians to play defense. Otherwise, Palestinians will look for cracks and begin pushing.

    Jews know this because they are a difficult people themselves all over the world. In America and EU, white gentiles thought Jews would be happy and content and nice if they were treated nice. But Jews weren’t happy with just being content. They had to have more power. They had a very aggressive and hostile agenda. So, they kept pushing and pushing until they took control of all the major institutions and industries.
    Jews even pushed the abominable ‘gay marriage’ on the West. Jews are also pushing for massive migration of Arabs into Europe. If Syria falls under greater mayhem and depopulates, Israel might be able to grab a chunk of it and maybe forcibly move all the Palestinians there.

    When whites decided to be nice, Jews were not nice in return and instead a total culture and political war on the white world.
    Palestinians have vengeful semitic blood too. If Jews treat them nice, Pallies will act toward Jews how Jews acted toward white folks who finally decided to bury the hatchet with Jews. The thing is whites buried the hatchet, but Jews didn’t.
    Whites ended up like Chris Christie apologizing to Sheldon ‘nuke Iran’ Adelson for having used the term ‘occupied territories’. Cucks or Cuckroaches.

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  51. So, since Israel was drawn into existence, creating the “palestinian” problem, what exactly have the “palestinians” accomplished?

    Surely you can point to something substantial, anti-republocrat? I mean, if Solzhenitsyn can write books that shake a superpower to its foundation while inside that superpower’s own gulags, the “palestinians” who are clearly not in a gulag must have created something of value to society in the last 68 years, right?

    So name them.

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  52. If Tel Aviv has nothing to hide, then they should have nothing to fear! It’s time to #InspectDimona!

    https://murderbymedia2.wordpress.com/2015/09/06/inspectdimona/

    We are continuing the effort to spread awareness of Israel’s nuclear weapons on social media with the #InspectDimona Thunderclap Campaign!

    The main goal of this project is to raise awareness of, investigate, and expose Israel’s nuclear weapons program on a grassroots scale with social media. This will call into question the legality of the $3.7+ billion (that’s over $10million a day) in US aid that Israel currently receives every year. Under the Symington Amendment, aid to Israel is technically illegally seeing as they do not comply with IAEA nuclear inspections.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment

    Here are the infographics about Israel’s nuclear hypocrisy that I made for the last thread:

    Red lines: http://i.cubeupload.com/1E8U0E.png

    No red lines: http://i.cubeupload.com/Ce5DuK.png

    Current Thunderclap statistics as of 9/4/15:

    If Tel Aviv has nothing to hide, then they should have nothing to fear!
    It’s time to #InspectDimona! </b?

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  53. You are easily fooled

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  54. Poor Avery, trapped in a prison of ignorance.

    “By your logic, Nazis should have been allowed to exterminate all the Jews, right ?”

    Quite the opposite. See reply to “Adolph” above.

    “But to compare contributions/creations of Israeli Jews vs Palestinians living in open air prisons of Gaza and West Bank is desperate.”

    See reply to Anti-Republocrat above. The “palestinians” live in conditions far better than those that Solzhenitsyn suffered under in the gulag, yet he wrote books that affected a superpower. So what have they accomplished? Faked “atrocities” and rioting? They are ethnically Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese and Jordanian, yet their homelands won’t take them back so as to inconvenience Israel. Those are the nations to be angry with, not Israel.

    “Israel borrows, copies, steals technology developed in US that costs US taxpayers 10s of billions annually.”

    An unproven claim. Yet the USSR (then) and Russia (now) are well documented as having relied upon stolen technology & patents to get their economy to function at all. And, you seem enamored of the USSR…why?

    “Israel tried to develop their own jet fighter, the Lavi.”

    It was a homegrown F-16 clone. And the economics of the situation made it more economically feasible to simply buy F-16s customized to Israeli specifications than to build their own plane.

    “The useless Iron Dome, which Israel keeps boasting about, is a copy US Patriot. “

    LOL, no. Not even close. Different purpose, different environment, different targets, different engagement envelope. They are both defensive systems that use radars and missiles, but that’s as far as the similarities go. You really don’t know much about military hardware, do you?

    And Iron Dome works very well in actual use. I realize that you’re angry about that and would rather have dead Israeli civilians than a working defensive system, but I am glad that you are disappointed.

    “With all its economic faults, USSR’s education system was world class.”

    Now that’s funny. A country based on credentialism where no one is held accountable, yet somehow their education system was “world class”? I think we define that term differently.

    “How many world class Jewish intellectuals have been produced by Jewish communities residing for generations in Muslim majority countries (…Iran, Turkey, etc). “

    Um, that question proves my point! Muslims are violent ignorant savages who ruin everything they come into contact with. The fact that Jews can even manage to survive in muslim nations is a testament to their discipline and work ethic.

    “And, again, by your own logic: if Israel disappeared tomorrow – which I do not wish – its contributions to world economy would not even be a blip.”

    What is the GDP of Israel and its neighbors? How about Israel and Europe? Israel is far more than a blip.

    And, music would take a hit too: http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-conductors-from-israel/reference?page=2

    It takes a lot of water to grow oranges. Yet Israel, which is a desert, is the largest exporter of oranges in the world. It takes brains to make that possible and hard work to make it happen.

    Compare and contrast with the achievements of the “palestinians”…which I am still waiting to have presented to me by one of the people who are so vigorous in defending them.

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  55. https://www.facebook.com/TELEGRAPH.CO.UK/videos/10153629628029749/

    Hilarious.

    Bibi is building the fence Germany should.

    Israel is now ‘bad’ but will survive as a nation. Germany is now ‘good’ but will die as a nation.

    Better to be ‘bad and live’ than ‘good and die’.

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  56. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1C6WYRjV_4
    From another angle

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  57. A kind of reverse-optimism exists among some of the alternative voices in the West.

    The aggressive optimists say the Middle East and elsewhere will be made better by extensive and expansive Western intervention by military means and economic sticks-and-carrots. They say the world is messed up because the West hasn’t done enough and isn’t doing enough. Such voices can be found among neocons and among Democratic ‘Wilsonians’. They see all the problems in the world in terms of “not enough action on the part of the West, especially US and Nato.” They are optimistic always that more intervention will lead to a bright new day, eternal ‘springs’.

    More often than not, intervention creates more problems, especially in diverse nations where the sudden freedom due to the fall of the ruling elites leads to endless conflicts and warfare. Iraq Invasion might have done better if Iraqis were one people. If a homogeneous nation like Korea could be divided in half and set against one another in a horrible war, the chances of ‘civil war’ is much bigger with diverse places like Yugoslavia, Iraq, Yemen, Libya(a clan-based society), and Syria. Imagine what might happen to Iran or Israel if they were destabilized by foreign invasion. Iran could break up into 5 parts. Israel/Palestine will be engulfed in massive war between Jews and Palestinians. Pallies are behaving more or less cuz Jews have them under control like Assad had the diverse groups under control through ruthless means.

    If aggressive optimists see Western action as the panacea to everything, the regressive optimists have a kind of reverse-optimism. They see Western presence as the reason for all the problems. According to the likes of Ron Paul, if the West pulls out from the world, everyone will be peaceful and nice and work things out with smiley faces. But look what happened to Indochina after US pulled out. The Boat people fiasco, the Khmer Rouge horrors in Cambodia.
    Ron Paul and his supporters said the problem of Iraq is US presence. If US pulls out, Iraqis will sort it all out among themselves and get along. But look at Iraq since US pulled out. And we know what’s gonna happen to Afghanistan when US pulls out. It’s gonna be bloodier than after Soviets pulled out. Pat Buchanan is more right than Ron Paul. Paul says ‘problem solved and peace will prevail of US pulls out’. Buchanan is for US pulling out but sees horrors that will result from the vacuum.

    The regressive optimists say things will be better if white people or the West drops the aggression and withdraws from ruling other parts of the world. But what happened to South Africa since whites decided to be nice? Or look at Zimbabwe.

    Granted, the West recently used a combination of aggression and regression that made things especially crazy. US messed up Iraq, so it was irresponsible for US to pull out and leave a power vacuum that could be filled up by terrorist loonies. Looks like ISIS filled that power vacuum.
    But just as US was pulling out of Iraq, it intervened in Libya by toppling Gadfly there. Worse, US intervention in Libya and Syria have been aggression/regression rolled into one. US and its allies did just enough to topple or shake the ruling power but nothing to secure any kind of construction of a new order. Just enough aggression to mess things up and then regression to prevent US soldiers from getting killed(except for handful in Benghazi). Air power regime change creates hell on the ground.

    At any rate, while Giraldi is good to present all this evidence of Israeli bad behavior, let’s not fool ourselves that things will improve by Israelis retreating from their aggressive policy and offering any kind of peace or justice. Bibi is a nutty aggressive-optimist who seeks to solve all problems by pushing and pushing, but any regressive-optimist idea that all will be well if Israelis withdraw their power and allow more freedom for Palestinians is gravely mistaken. Palestinian kids will throw rocks at Israeli soldiers in response to Jewish power but also to perceived Jewish weakness.

    Unless Zionists find some way for a permanent demographic separation from Palestinians, there is no solution to this problem. It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    The pessimism of Buchanan’s conservatism is better guide than the regressive optimism of Ron Paul’s libertarian view of the world.

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  58. It’s not my responsibility to educate a racist, bigoted clown. Why don’t you try searching the web for ‘Palestinian’ and ‘author’. There’s a lot out there, not just Edward Said, whom you clearly would denigrate. Oh, WTF, I’ll make it simple as it’s good educational practice to differentiate for those who are differently abled: http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/15627.Best_Books_about_Palestine

    Take a look there. It’s not just all hate for Israel. There are poets listed. You could also search for Palestinian musicians and artists. Take your time.

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  59. When will Israel sign the NPT?

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  60. The pessimism of Buchanan’s conservatism is better guide than the regressive optimism of Ron Paul’s libertarian view of the world.

    Sorry, PF, but you are guilty of presenting a false dichotomy.

    It’s a rather simple principle: all most people are seeking is that all parties adhere to international law, including Israel. Your comments, whether wittingly or unwittingly, are just providing cover for the occupation to continue for another 50 years.

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  61. Sorry my error — this replay is to a post by Sherman

    “Wouldn’t the soldier – or one of his comrades – shoot these two dead?”

    Say Sherm – shameless screecher for fascist Jew Zionism,

    Isn’t that what the piece of human trash Netanyahu (the supreme leader of the Big and Little Jews) is saying – that they should be murdered on the spot. That solder should have killed them all for tearing off that shameful mask that hid his identity from the world. Clearly he shirked is duty as a good Zionist Jew (perhaps he needs some reeducation in a camp (ala Soviet Jewry KBG).

    Just helping — Art

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  62. Priss,
    As a Jew, I’ve thought about this issue long and hard as you might imagine. I did arrive at similar conclusions. Often, I have wondered what might have happened if the Pals adopted the attitude of the Druze. On every such occasion, I inevitably reverted to the conclusion that such an outcome is impossible, given the aggressive nature of Bibi, his acolytes and the religious lunatics in the WB, the corrupted condition of the Palestinian leadership and certainly the Palestinian people who are by no means going to metamorphose into followers of Gandhi.

    In the end, a peaceful solution under a 1SS can only be achieved with sort of a semi-autonomy for the Pals, with tax-collecting authority, Israel providing security (Pals serving the army as well) and most importantly the economic know-how to the new state on a large scale. Under all of this, it is vital that the settlers be removed from the small WB settlements, and the RoR respected monetarily for the refugees from 1947-48. The erstwhile settlers should be resettled in Israel proper and Israeli Arabs relocated to the semi-autonomous WB. Perhaps over time with economic conditions improving, many things will change for the better, as I believe that Palestinians are ethnically not very different from the mizrachi Jews (ME Jews) already in Israel.

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  63. I was reluctant to mention Khalil Jibran in my earlier responses to your racist hate, because he was Lebanese or Syrian, not Palestinian. However, in view of

    there is no such thing as a “palestinian”, merely Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese and Jordanians who were abandoned in “palestine,”

    it’s apparent that by your definition there is no difference between Palestinians and Arabs in general. So if not for the unbearable conditions Israel has imposed on them, Palestinians might realistically be expected to contribute to the world as much as any other of the Arabs. Let’s see, there’s algebra, zero, the decimal numbering and place value system. They invented the harp, lyre, zither, drum, tambourine, flute, oboe and bagpipe. You know, there weren’t a lot of symphonies written by inmates of Nazi concentration camps, either. Anne Frank’s diary was written before her internment and tragic death from Typhus.

    It’s certainly true that Israel has produced numerous artists, authors, musicians and academics. Unortunately, many of them, like Theodore Bikel and Gilad Atzmon, were so disgusted with Israeli racism and victim-hood that they emigrated. The well-respected historian, Ilan Pappe, was hounded out of Israel for telling the truth about Israel’s original sin. Of course, Benny Morris also told the truth but Pappe lamented it and called for atonement, while Morris apparently revels in it, like any good, racist Zionist.

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  64. You answered yourself. Palestine would not be a “large society”. Why shouldn’t it be like Lebanon without the divisions imposed by Syria, Palestinian refugees plus Israel and other non-HBD factors?

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  65. Good thing Goliath didn’t have an M-16.

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  66. “It’s a rather simple principle: all most people are seeking is that all parties adhere to international law, including Israel.”

    You know well as I that ‘international law’ is a joke.

    US, the policeman of the world, illegally invaded other nations. With US setting such standard, Saudis and Turks also decided to play their own games. And of course, Israel does the same. But Iran plays loose with rules and so does Russia and China.

    The law can always be messed with by lawyers.

    All we can hope for is common sense and greater balance of power so that people will interfere less in other nations. The Cold War was a nervous time but one good thing was the balance of power between US and USSR. With such balance gone, there’s been anarchy in some parts of the world.

    Maybe one thing we can do is restore the draft in every Western nation so that leaders will be less likely to provoke wars where their kids will get hurt or killed.

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  67. Given the military and financial strength of the Zionist enterprise and it’s control of the US media and Congress, with all the diplomatic, financial and military power that implies, that the Palestinians are continuing to resist is quite an accomplishment. And with BDS making significant inroads with israeli trading partners in Europe the game is changing. And not in favor of israel.

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  68. As you defend one of the Abrahamic religions would you be so good as to be the first to answer my question about how any of the Abrahamic versions of God are credible – even possible. (And by the way, have you read Hawking & Mlodinov’s account of the genesis of a universe from “nothing”? It’s as good as any religious account anyway and doesn’t presume there is only one universe).

    God is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, communicates with humans and cares for us and what we do. He has created different futuures for the goid and the bad. How can such a being exist when it has allowed different versions to be communicated from time to time starting with frankly genocidal instructions to the Hebrews and dozens of other prophet like people thereafter giving inconsistent messages? Above all how can he have so neglected billions of Hindus, Buddhists and Animists…… Try defending that Abrahamic god…..

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  69. In the end, a peaceful solution under a 1SS can only be achieved with sort of a semi-autonomy for the Pals, …

    Sam, it took a while, but you’re finally a little more forthcoming with some of the “constraints” of your model you proferred previously.

    I thought we already covered this ground and that all the citizens of I/P would have equality under the law. What’s this business about semi-autonomy?

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  70. “Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka… “Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka,” wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, “stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator.” In Ukraine, “Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,” reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. Beginning as the Cheka (or Vecheka) the Soviet secret police was later known as the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD and KGB. In light of all this, it should not be surprising that Yakov M. Yurovksy, the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murder of the Tsar and his family, was Jewish, as was Sverdlov, the Soviet chief who co-signed Lenin’s execution order.” http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

    Any questions about anti-Semitism in Ukraine? By the way, check the careers of those Jews that had emigrated to Israel and the US from the USSR; many of them had excellent jobs in the USSR, often the leading positions in sciences and industries – despite the constant wailing about the alleged discrimination agains Jews there. Do you know the names and ethnicity of the leading oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine today? Does the name Kolomojsky ring anything for you? Perhaps, in relation to financing the neo-Nazis in Ukraine? Or maybe re his recent heist of $1.8 billion dollars intended for helping the ordinary people in the neocon-ravaged Ukraine?

    You live in a house of glass. Until very recently, the rather homogenous Soviet society was reluctant to discuss the disproportionate number of Jews in the first Bolshevik government and secret police. But the times are changing. Solzhenitsyn, an honest historian wrote a book, “Two hundred years together,” where he documented the contribution of the Jewish population to Russian civilization. This book was banished by the US publishers. Do you have any idea why?
    There were the truly outstanding scientists, engineers, and artists of Jewish descent in the USSR, but along with the best a brightest, there was also the worst scum like the sadistic leaders of the Soviet secret police and such unbelievable monster as Ms. Zemlyachka (Rozalia Zalkind), one of the leaders of Red Terror: https://enigmachannel.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/the-worlds-most-evil-woman/

    Your hymns to the Jewish genius do not take into account a simple fact: There were no great scientific and artistic achievements by the ancient Israelis (in part because the ancient state of Israel had a minuscule duration). All the universally-revered accomplishments by the people of Jewish descent have been due, to some extend, to other peoples’ civilizations.

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  71. What I am suggesting is for Palestinians is to receive full citizenship (Israeli passports, full legal protection, etc), but sort of a status like Puerto Rico. Obviously there are differences. It is simply fanciful to think that without a degree of physical separation the two communities can immediately start singing kumbaya. Of course all rights such as employment anywhere, voting to Knesset etc, apply.

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  72. I bet the fucking warmongers would become hippies if their children get mandatory 4 years service as front line infantry.

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  73. I could not agree more with this comment. I replied to geokat on his earlier query to me regarding the meaning of my suggestion of extending semi-autonomy to Pals. It was exactly with this in mind, that I wrote it. There has to be a bit of pragmatism I believe. The sentiment on the ground is such that one can craft any number of laws protecting the weak and needy, but they are only as good as what can be enforced. (For example Israeli police in Palestinian areas would be an unmitigated disaster)

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  74. [You have apparently been engaging in sock-puppetry, using multiple handles to conceal your identity. From now on, you are to use "Vito" always, everywhere (except for possible use of "Anonymous"). Otherwise, don't be surprised if all your future comments are summarily trashed.]

    Hey giraldi, how’s about letting some of those arab refugees into your neighborhood. Better yet go live in Saudi Arabia for a while. Get to know those people first hand.

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  75. Missed this story in the U.S. MSM

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  76. That critic was me. Anyone can see Phillip Giraldi despises Israel and continually defends and elevates Iran. He keeps it pretty factual but it is clear who he advocates for. As far as stone cold Jew haters go, Giraldi’s threads are littered with them. This means Jews everywhere be it Israel, America, Russia, Canada and so on. Many are irrational and do not post facts. You cannot deny this.

    Philip Giraldi should take a good look at the guests who come to the parties he throws. More likely he does not care. Such is the world of Unz.com. I go to JihadWatch for the real truth about the world wide eternal Jihad that Iran participates in. If you don’t know that Jihad is eternal then you are an idiot. The current scheme is to take over Europe via the immigration and birth rates Jihad. There is no central brain or conspiracy behind this Jihad. Muslims are just doing what Muslims do. Look up the Hijra of Muhammad they are emulating.

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  77. What’s a “solder”?

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  78. One of the great tragedies for the Palestinians is that so many of their so-called supporters around the world are hate-filled Holocaust deniers like Giraldi and the inbred loser psychopaths who follow him.

    These people are not motivated by any genuine sympathy for the Palestinian plight but rather irrational hatred of Jews.

    It’s no wonder the Palestinians are living in squalor and misery while Israel keeps getting more powerful and prosperous.

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  79. Israeli policy is also US policy.

    The US demonstrated this idea clearly when FBI snipers deliberately shot a 14 year old child named Samuel Weaver in the back at Ruby Ridge in 1992.

    The FBI was targeting the Weaver family because Randy Weaver was designated a “white separatist” by the FBI.

    The phrase “white separatist” has morphed into an equivalent label today of white supremacist or Nazi.

    Basically the US and Israel are at war with people that fit a Jewish concocted profile of a Nazi.

    This is evidenced by the American-Israeli victim cult, a scheme that promotes protected or victim class supremacy.

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  80. “The European Jewish Congress, has also criticized the visit, saying Austria’s political leadership and business elite should not meet with Iranian officials.

    Austrian business leaders seek a five-fold increase in exports to the Islamic Republic, according to the Chamber of Commerce.”

    http://www.dw.com/en/austrian-president-heinz-fischer-heads-to-iran/a-18697905

    And who is this who ” has also criticezd the visit” ? – Stop the Bomb.
    Whose mantra that is chanted today and wil be tomorrow by those who were bought and paid by the subsidiaries of the Dtop the Bomb outfit is this -”The supreme leader Ali Khamenei, whose hand Fischer will shake tomorrow, openly threatens to this day the Jewish state with destruction and denies the Holocaust,” Stop the Bomb spokesman Stephan Grigat said.” ”

    Now it is not only limited to Gilardi . Austrians could see it through also who sitting in Austria, eating their food,enjoying their largesse,and enjoying their economic progress is trying to hurt Austrian economy so that Israel could force more concession and grab more dough from the Unlce Sam’s treasury and the pentagon .

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  81. Ha, ha, ha, Giraldi got a present – he wrote about Hasbara using good ol’ Anglo names, but they started using good ol’ Italian names: Vito.

    As I wrote before, the only constant in all this is Hasbara crap, that is Hasbara Online Pollution.

    Luckily, the self-hating Jew Mr Unz invented the “Ignore This Commenter” button and he also aims to prevent sock puppetry. He should get a prize for Online Innovation, thank you very much Ron.

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  82. You know well as I that ‘international law’ is a joke.

    I’ve posted several comments on the rule of law vs might makes right. It’s clear that the strong are eager to impose the rule of law against the weak, but the weak are not permitted to impose it against the strong.

    That said, the challenge is to keep fighting on behalf of the weak, to level the playing field against the strong.

    To that end, I concur with your recommendation that conscription be reinstated. I would also advocate publicly funded elections and the registration of all foreign lobbies under FARA.

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  83. “But there’s a special kind of stupidity required to not know who the “Palestinians” are, where they came from, and what violent actions they have been engaged in. ”

    Unbelievable – the nerve of these Jews – this evil tribe of squatters steal people’s land and then blame them when they fight back. The Jews have the nerve to call their victims wrong for objecting. Good god, what moral garbage these Jews are.

    These Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years – in that time, they have been ruled a dozen different occupiers. The difference between the other rulers and the Jews is that only the Jews have thrown them out of their homes in mass.

    After all that they have done to the Palestinian people how can anyone in good conscience respect a Jew?

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  84. Could you kids please keep it down? The adults are trying to have a rational conversation.

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  85. OK, so let us stipulate that your understanding of Christianity is limited, at best. Are you trying to convert me to Islam? If so, go ahead and make your best attempt. Are you trying to threaten this heathen? If so, I’m frankly not that worried. Meanwhile, anecdotal evidence would suggest that of the three Abrahamic religions, it’s the least likely to produce peace, liberty, and prosperity. All places under its rule are benighted, backward places awash in seas of blood. And, as the point of this article and my post suggest, it’s willing to toss overboard large numbers of the next generation in order to fulfill purely selfish and destructive political goals. No thanks.

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  86. {An unproven claim. }

    Yes, proven.

    I know you like and trust him very much, so will cite your favourite Israel expert:
    http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2010/01/27/stealing-success-tel-aviv-style/
    [It adds that Israel recruits spies, uses electronic methods, and carries out computer intrusion to gain the information. The 2005 report concluded that the thefts eroded US military advantage, enabling foreign powers to obtain expensive technologies that had taken years to develop.]
    [A 1996 Defense Investigative Service report noted that Israel has great success stealing technology by exploiting the numerous co-production projects that it has with the Pentagon.]
    [In June 2006, a Pentagon administrative judge overruled an appeal by an Israeli who had been denied a security clearance, stating, "The Israeli government is actively engaged in military and industrial espionage in the United States. An Israeli citizen working in the US who has access to proprietary information is likely to be a target of such espionage." ]

    You can enjoy the rest of Mr. Giraldi’s article proving the claim I originally made: “Israel borrows, copies, steals technology developed in US”

    {Yet the USSR (then) and Russia (now) are well documented as having relied upon stolen technology & patents to get their economy to function at all. And, you seem enamored of the USSR…why?}

    Yes, of course.
    That is why USSR was the first to send a satellite into orbit.
    Also they stole the technology of sending the first human into outer space.
    They also stole the technology of pioneering the robotic exploration of space, Lunokhod: about 25 years _before_ US’s Mars Pathfinder, another remote-controlled vehicle, was put on an extraterrestrial body.
    Well documented ? by whom: the same people why deny Israel steals technology from US ?

    { A country based on credentialism where no one is held accountable, yet somehow their education system was “world class”? I think we define that term differently.}

    See the NY Times article I referenced above about Soviet Jewish scientists in Israel.
    Read the entire article: you will enjoy it.

    { Israel is far more than a blip.}

    As far as the world’s economy is concerned, it is a blip.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

    If Israel’s economy went down to zero, nobody but Israelis would notice or care.

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  87. What in the name of heavens are the soldiers doing in the West Bank and Gaza

    The answer is irrelevant when asking if they ought to be able to protect themselves from stone-throwers.

    BTW, some ‘reconquistas’ may just as well ask “what in the name of heavens” are US agents doing on the border — see my other comment pointing out how they are authorized to use deadly force against stone-throwers.

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  88. So you’re saying that living under an occupation that now asserts that children shall be subject to the death penalty for throwing rocks, is a circumstance for which Palestinians should be grateful?

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  90. “The answer is irrelevant when asking if they ought to be able to protect themselves from stone-throwers.”

    eah — Fascist squatters have no rights – no protection from censure – end of story. — Art

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  91. he also aims to prevent sock puppetry

    Big fail on that score. Although some of the more vociferous troll types frequenting Unz Review profile as dedicated, professional (trained) propaganda artists with specific tasks (targets.)

    Phil would be a prime candidate to draw these more informed types to associate his work with anti-Semites.

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  92. It is difficult not to address you by insulting a *JACKASS*

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  93. The bottom line is that the hysterical opposition to Israel exemplified by this article only makes sense in the context of blanket denial of HBD.

    Well, you certainly know your audience, Gabriel, so I’ll give you points for trying.

    Nevertheless, your statement is egregiously false, as opposition to the criminal state of Israel makes complete sense, morally and factually, despite the reality of HBD. HBD is an important developmental factor, but one easily overridden by bad policies – of the sort Israel has been all to eager to impose on Arabs.

    So nice try, but no cigar. Zionist troll fails again.

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  94. And what would Mr Phillip Giraldi do when Muslim yoofs are throwing stones at him? How about at him and his family?

    Stop occupying their country?

    Just an idea.

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  95. I don’t see the part where the IDF soldier throws the grenade. Does anyone else?

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  96. I agree with much of what you say, and for a long time I thought that’s all there was to say about it. But the fact is it’s within Israel’s power to promote Palestinian economic, social and cultural development, both within Israel itself and within the occupied territories – to say nothing of granting territorial concessions and refugee rights of return. Israel has scarcely even tried to do this. Until it makes a genuine, good-faith, pull-out-all-the-stops a al the Civil Rights Movement* effort to do this, I will never cease criticizing Zionist oppression and supremacism.

    *The fatal error of civil rights has been casting whites as the eternal villain, teaching blacks that all their problems were the fault of the white man. Somehow, I can’t see Jews ever making the same mistake.

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  97. Saudi Arabia’ princes are the best friends of the US neocons and the SA is a darling of Israel: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/israeli-saudi-relations/395015/
    First the oilmen and Zionists have created a homicidal invasions against the Middle East states. Then, after the hundreds of thousands of human beings of all ages have been killed and crippled and millions have lost their homes, Vito and likes are surprised that a huge wave of refugees has been looking for a safe place. The ongoing crisis looks exactly like mass migration of Jews during certain periods of human history. So much for Holocaust Museums.

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  98. Right. Shave the heads of Palestinian youth, proclaim all palestinian babies the future terrorists, and leave unpunished the most horrendous crimes like burning a toddler alive by the illegal settlers. That’s the spirit!

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  99. “Palestinians under Israeli occupation have higher mean life expectancy, lower child mortality, higher per capita income than the Middle East average.”
    You mean, some of the Jewish/German survivors of the WWII owed their longevity to the Nazi regime?
    “…chronic violence political instability and tyranny, and economic backwardness are ineradicable features of any large Arab society…”
    That was not the Zionists’ business to go on “improving” the lives of Syrians and Libyans and Iraqis. These Arab society used to do OK without the tender involvement of the “only democracy in the Middle East” via the US/UK Lobby.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

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  100. Hi Sam

    I wonder what your take would be on the status of Jerusalem. Other than that, it seems to me your single state solution is a sort of hybrid two state solution inasmuch as it ethnically separates the two peoples geographically under the umbrella of a single Israeli entity (passports, ect.) Anyhow, in the spirit of devil’s advocate:

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a pair of federated states with separate domestic legislatures but a single executive limited to external security and diplomatic affairs? Not that we see much in the way of viable precedents.

    What I wonder is, if the circumstance is too far gone to recover. The social and political problems are immense. I seriously doubt the mainstream population in Israel proper would be very happy with absorbing the radicalized West Bank settlers, my understanding is these sort of religious-ideologically driven social cells are already causing problems with what’s left of the secular Jewish state. Dress codes for women and segregated sexes in public transportation demands are already seeing Jew on Jew attacks. Seemingly related to this immediate preceding, there’s ongoing struggle with the requirements determining what constitutes a Jew in Israel.

    And then the inevitable avalanche of criticism that would attend expelling Israel proper’s ethnic Palestinians to the West Bank, it would be compared to the partition of India or worse, more likely labeled a completion of the Nabka. Would this include Christian Palestinians or only Muslims? The implications of including both or discriminating between the two, either way, are fraught with danger.

    And then Jerusalem is a thorn. For a sliver of a chance at any future peace would determine (my view) requiring Jerusalem could not be a capital but would demand practically an autonomous city-state with restored so-called Arab, Jewish and Christian quarters, a strictly secular administration with the rights of all rigidly enforced. There’s where the Sephardic might reinvent the cultural bridge.

    But this preceding is the tip of the iceberg of the problems involved. The IDF special forces are criminalized, and heavily weighted to the Israeli neocon faction ideology, the external security secret services are even worse and then there is the nuclear arsenal sitting outside the nuclear non-proliferation regime, not to mention Israel in non-compliance with several UN resolutions supposedly with the force of binding international law.

    And how does Israel dump the likes of Bibi whose LIKUD is historically propped up with MOSSAD linked organized crime in a state where some reports have indicated there is a long history of exit polls not matching election results?

    As things stand (with responsibility laid squarely at the feet of Bibi’s and his ilk) it would seem to me there could be a new, voluntary diaspora of sane Israelis could render any sane solution beyond reach and in fact that may already underway -

    The reasons for their decision to leave are varied, and include besides the economic reasons (usually the straw that breaks the camel’s back) loss of hope that peace will ever prevail between Israel and its neighbors, for which they believe Israel is as much to blame as the Arabs; discomfort with the lack of determination of Israel’s leaders to make a serious effort to separate religion and state, and enable seculars to enjoy nonreligious marriages and burial services, public transportation on Saturday etc.; and the feeling that life in Israel frequently feels like life in a pressure cooker, where too many people are nervous, intolerant and violent

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Think-About-It-Why-Israelis-moved-to-Europe-329878

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  102. You give Muslim yoofs far, far too much credit for rationality and a purely defensive motive. There’s no evidence supporting any of that.

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  103. Yea, I’m a little puzzled too as to why one of the women didn’t pick up a “football-sized stone” and bash the Israeli bastards brains out on the ground.

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  104. Er, dude, they’ve had their land overrun, been evicted from their homes, and known nothing but oppression for the past fifty years. They have every right to be defensive – and more – about that. If that upsets hasbara trolls like you, choke on it.

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  105. What’s the big deal? After all, a goy is not worth even a strand of Jewish hair–or is it fingernail. I think the Talmud says something like that. Correct me if I’m wrong, please.

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  106. “Sock-puppetry”—the use of multiple handles to hide identity—is not permissible here. Commenters must choose a single handle and stick to it unless they wish to see all their future comments summarily trashed (although they can freely use “Anonymous” whenever they wish).

    I’m sure the West Bank Palestinians and those in occupied east Jerusalem are just thrilled to have Jewish settlers as neighbors and to have their kids killed and beaten by the IDF. After all the israelis are a morally superior people. Just ask Chuckie Schumer or Bernard Levy, they’ll set you straight.

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  107. I am unaware of any evidence of Giraldi being a Holocaust denier. Please provide your evidence for saying he is. Obviously it could greatly affect his credibility and would do so unless he was really failing to satisfy you only on some minor or peripheral issue. But if you have no such evidence then, because the allegation is so serious it will be your credit which is destroyed.

    So the stakes are high and you can see why I regard it as important for you to follow through.

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  108. So the stakes are high and you can see why I regard it as important for you to follow through.

    In other words, fingers crossed, praying such evidence turns up. Much easier to morally damn people than debate them, after all.

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  109. Ron,
    You’ve asked some pivotal questions and offered an alternative organisation for the social and political needs of two peoples with more than 50 years of mutual animosity. So therefore, my thoughts and answers are more than likely to be tentative, and leave ample room for improvement and expansion. As it happens not infrequently, clever commentators on this board, deeply well-meaning ones, either commit the “error of optimism” or an “error of excessive pessimism”, the latter being rather more common, given the horrid conditions that Palestinians have been consigned to in the past half century or more.

    That being established, let’s proceed to discuss matters in succession:

    I wonder what your take would be on the status of Jerusalem.

    In principle the solution is simple, but the enforcement is anything but. The provenance of Yerushalayim/Al Quds has been in dispute since antiquity: David & Solomon, the Achaemenid Persians, Cyrus, Seleucids of Alexander’s lineage, The Romans, The Byzantine Turks, The Caliphates, all the way to the great Christian Kings of the Crusades who ruled and prospered then vacated the throne for Salahadin, all the way to the Ottoman Turks, followed by the modern period of the British Mandate and then Israeli control!

    [MORE]

    So there is a long thread that is often defies disentanglement.

    My own position is rather straightforward by design. For those who proffer earliest historical nativity as a claim, either on the Jewish, Christian (very seldom) or Moslem sides, need only be reminded that it was Abraham, the father of all three peoples, who was the first to travel to Jerusalem, following G’d’s directive, and was blessed and greeted my Melechzedek there.

    So Jerusalem belongs to all three religions. Modernity demands it to be so. This must be forcefully imposed by the U.N. and the USA. Jerusalem, it borders, its adjoining areas and suburbs, should thereafter be protected under the aegis of Special Yerushalmi/Al Qu’uds Police (much like the Vatican Police) drawn equally from the three religions and led by a rotating leadership.

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a pair of federated states with separate domestic legislatures but a single executive limited to external security and diplomatic affairs? Not that we see much in the way of viable precedents.

    It certainly could, and one might actually prefer it. The only trouble is that we might then fall into a very uneven pairing, such as tying the knot between New York City or Silicon Valley with Mississippi, or Greece with Germany. We know what would happen. So under this scenario, I would append a constitutional development mandate which would invest in Palestinian education, industry and business. Nothing like Affirmative action for individual Palestinians, which morph into entitlements – for we know full well, that the end result will very likely be less than desirable – creating an underclass, dependant on social grift (I am afraid I might get castigated for this observation, but I simply believe that it is human nature to be slothful, under the right, or rather the wrong, conditions!)

    I seriously doubt the mainstream population in Israel proper would be very happy with absorbing the radicalized West Bank settlers, my understanding is these sort of religious-ideologically driven social cells are already causing problems with what’s left of the secular Jewish state. Dress codes for women and segregated sexes in public transportation demands are already seeing Jew on Jew attacks.

    No, the mainstream would be appalled to suddenly have the ultra-religious elements suddenly flung in their midst! I should think that a certain amount of force would be necessary (as Arik Sharon demonstrated as possible, when moving them from Gaza to Israel proper) to land swap the Israeli moslem villages with the extant settler towns in the WB (I think the Pals might actually prefer this, given the vast differences in infrastructures) . So the govt. of Israel will have to engage in varying amounts of infrastructure supplementation. So be it. (btw my own preference would be to de-ultrafy (my own word, which I am allowed :-) ) the religious as they arrive in Israel proper – my sister and I have been on the receiving end of stones thrown at us in the Mea Shearim district of Jerusalem, since they “objected” to my sister wearing shorts on a 97F day!

    And then the inevitable avalanche of criticism that would attend expelling Israel proper’s ethnic Palestinians to the West Bank, it would be compared to the partition of India or worse, more likely labeled a completion of the Nabka. Would this include Christian Palestinians or only Muslims? The implications of including both or discriminating between the two, either way, are fraught with danger.

    I should prefer voluntary land swaps by families, augmented by monetary supplementation, a very fungible proposition. I sincerely doubt if the population swap would be anything close to the India-Pakistan partition, since we are talking about a planned swap with the aid of the IDF (again this has been done in Gaza). I could be wrong of course, but we do need to break a few eggs, don’t we? On the whole I think the Christian Pals would integrate with the mainstream with greater facility, but that is just a personal speculation.

    But this preceding is the tip of the iceberg of the problems involved. The IDF special forces are criminalized, and heavily weighted to the Israeli neocon faction ideology, the external security secret services are even worse and then there is the nuclear arsenal sitting outside the nuclear non-proliferation regime, not to mention Israel in non-compliance with several UN resolutions supposedly with the force of binding international law.

    I hold hope, and might make bold to observe that the new generation of Israeli youth are increasingly drawn towards a professional and secular character for the IDF. Ron I don’t mean to engage in a publicity objective for the IDF, but do take a look at these :

    https://www.idfblog.com/blog/2015/09/07/mothers-engineers-leading-way-women-tech/
    https://www.idfblog.com/blog/2015/02/23/idf-diversity-week-the-true-face-of-israel/

    and let me know of your impressions. It may not entirely be horse manure.

    And how does Israel dump the likes of Bibi whose LIKUD is historically propped up with MOSSAD linked organized crime in a state where some reports have indicated there is a long history of exit polls not matching election results?

    Difficult question, which someone with a deeper background in covert operations might be better able to weigh-in on, than your humble servant.

    As things stand (with responsibility laid squarely at the feet of Bibi’s and his ilk) it would seem to me there could be a new, voluntary diaspora of sane Israelis could render any sane solution beyond reach and in fact that may already underway -

    Well this is no doubt disturbing, but Yair Lapid, Naftali Bennet and Bibi would be well advised to refrain from fear-mongering, and bring to bear far greater effort on building a just economy, one which diminishes inequality of wealth and income, be inclusive of all that live on the land. Otherwise the young will indeed leave, and the neocons will be left with their own devices of self-immolation.

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  110. Let them be defensive, then. My point is that there’s no evidence that defense is their motivation. They’ve had all those things and more happen at the hands of their own people — who, by the way, would sooner see them remain refugees for political impact than accept them in their own lands.

    1) Injured Arabs will be treated in Israeli hospitals. The reverse is not true.
    2) Arabs/Muslims would sooner see their own children die than see Israeli children live.
    3) “Palestinians” were given all they wanted and more on multiple occasions, but repeatedly turned those agreements down because they required that they tolerate Israel’s existence.

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  111. Meh. I would pretend to care more if Palestinians weren’t spreading their terrible genes and much worse Islamic memes via incredibly high reproduction. The only dysfunctional people I can honestly sympathize with are the childless or almost childless (one at most). If you impose your bad conditions (especially genetic!) on more people (children), you have lost your right to complain.

    Yeah, they don’t ‘know’ any better etc… so maybe we should tell them.

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  112. “Many of the Soviet engineers, scientists and doctors who emigrated to Israel and the U.S. needed intense retraining to bring their skills up to western levels.”

    If the US education system is superior to that of Russia, then explain why the US is purchasing rocket engines from Russia instead of building their own?
    http://www.rt.com/news/156248-russian-rocket-engines-pentagon/

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  113. “It takes a lot of water to grow oranges.” Sure. But the true statement should be worded this way: “It takes a lot of stolen water to grow oranges.”
    Apart from stealing the land, Israel has been stealing Palestinian water as well:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/03/israel-water-miracle-palestine-20143247252981587.html

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  114. It’s a teargas grenade. It’s tossed as he walks away with the other soldiers, at end of video.

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  115. How could being a “holocaust denier” degrade Giraldi’s credibility, when doing the exact opposite would launch it into the stratosphere?

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  116. I sincerely doubt if the population swap would be anything close to the India-Pakistan partition, since we are talking about a planned swap with the aid of the IDF (again this has been done in Gaza). I could be wrong of course, but we do need to break a few eggs, don’t we?

    Sam, thanks for shedding more light on your so called “solution.” Are you seriously suggesting that Palestinians residing behind the green line should be transferred to the WB and/or GS?

    Breaking a few eggs? This proposal is more like breaking the entire carton.

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  117. Not true…

    [b]Are SA whites really being killed “like flies”? Why Steve Hofmeyr is wrong[/b]

    https://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

    [b]White Genocide, fact or fiction?[/b]

    http://m.news24.com/news24/MyNews24/White-Genocide-fact-or-fiction-20130520

    “After many people tried to illustrate the flaws in the 10.6 whites murdered per day theory, Bridges and other “Death counters” suddenly started with more accurate research: In her recent blog postinghttp://sunettebridges.co/a-year-from-hell-the-truth-about-south-africa/A year from Hell, Bridges now comes clean with a more accurate figure, and strangely enough, it does correspond with previous research done into “white murders”:
    169 murders in 365 days.
    If you do a quick calculation, you will discover that this brings the murder rate to 0.46 whites killed every day. This equates to 3.6/100 000 whites murdered -per year.

    A far cry from the 17/100 000 on the African Continent as a whole.

    It is also less than the world average murder rate of 6.9/100 000.

    It is almost similar to the rate of murder in Europe of 3.5/100 000 yearly.”

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  118. You’re just repeating the same tiresome zionist talking points that have been circulating, with small variations, for decades now. What they all have in common is the desire to deflect criticism away from Israeli behavior. “Look at these crazy terrorist ‘Palestinians’ – notice John’s reticence to acknowledge so much as their existence – all they want is to drive Jews into the sea!” We’ve heard it a zillion times. The issue here is Isreali policy, its immorality, the harm it does, and the necessity of drawing western attention to and cutting off western support for it.

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  119. I would pretend to care more if Palestinians weren’t spreading their terrible genes and much worse Islamic memes via incredibly high reproduction.

    Very well, but you should be aware that the degraded condition of western societies and their deplorable foreign policies today is much more a consequence of the spread of Jewish genes and memes than it is of Palestinian.

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  120. I’m sorry. I didn’t know cricket and football players wore military-grade BULLET-RESISTANT KEVLAR and drove around in state of the art tanks. I must have missed that part of the sport.

    Can you please find me some other military aside from the IDF that is threatened by stones to resort to executing children? K thanks.

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  121. But it seems that you, personally, rather biased if not terribly undisposed to all Arabs. Are not you?
    This paper is about the deeds of the parasitic Lobby without which there would be no clownish and homicidal Prime Minister Netanyahu influencing the US policies. The veil has been disappearing before the world’s eyes and the high-placed liars, psychopaths, and supremacists get suddenly exposed for who they are. Here is a good summary from a comment section for Robert Parry’ recent paper: “…Washington’s serial wars in the Mideast are the product of PNAC neocons who have been nesting in Washington since Clinton, if not before. If you dare to look beneath the surface, the blood-stained tracks of all these interventions by Washington lead directly back to lobbyists, politicians, donors and NGOs that are indelibly linked to Zionist money and other Israeli-friendly forces that sustain America’s ‘special relationship’ to the All-Jewish entity. The ongoing destabilization of the Middle East is just business as usual for these people.”
    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/07/how-neocons-destabilized-europe/

    ‘The ongoing destabilization of the Middle East” also means the formation of mighty bands of murderous fanatics responding to the grandiose plans of mass slaughter hatched by the Israel-firsters and implemented with the US personal and weaponry. And take a note of the total control of MSM by Zionists.

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  122. Geo,
    As I indicated, I could be wrong, but my thinking is driven by a pragmatic desire to not inherit another 50 year strife within small communities, as I indicated earlier in comment #71 . Also, don’t forget that Pals who opt for a voluntary swap, would receive quite an upgrade in the new WB dwellings. Furthermore we are not talking about breaking “a carton of eggs” actually, since the distance travelled is no more than travelling from New Jersey to eastern PA!

    In the end, I think that if this avenue is explored, it might turn out to be attractive, as evidenced so much of population economics, where ethnic communities much prefer to live near their own. Of course Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and the bigger cities can and will remain as cosmopolitan as they currently are.

    Look, obviously I am not suggesting (as I wrote at the very start) that these are my final thoughts, these are thoughts that are open to improvement.

    Also, do you never doubt or have 2nd thoughts regarding things that you may have pondered about in the past, things that do not at all change the fundamental thesis, but might plausibly improve outcomes?

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  123. Hmm – where your examples wearing masks and automatic arms when they were hurt? Had these people murdered 2,300 people the year before? Had they made the claim to be the most moral military in the world? Do they hold 1,5000,000 people in a virtual prison. Do they have 200 nukes that they refuse to acknowledge to the rest of humanity.

    Your comment is a stinking rotten evasion of reality so typical of Jews.

    How can anyone have anything but contempt for the Jews?

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  124. Sam, To be clear, I did not implicate the entire IDF as criminalized but specified the special operations forces. Similar to what has been happening to the USA’s elite military organizations, the more ideologically driven or hawkish personalities (along the lines of ethnic hate-mongers) gravitate to these elite units, it is a serious problem. Although there have been some problems noted with certain radicalized reservists in the more typical IDF line brigades as well. And accountability seems to be a problem, there is little will to prosecute.

    Now, to what is likely even a bigger problem is the USA whose determined will would be required to exert the necessary influence to bring any meaningful change forward. If the Israeli corruption is a serious impediment to sane solutions (it is) the same could be said of the USA:

    http://www.unz.com/article/whos-afraid-of-sibel-edmonds/

    ^ Giraldi’s 2009 interview with Sibel Edmonds is evidence prima facie of the ‘Deep State’ structures that [my presumption] would be altogether opposed to righting the ship of state; these people have everything to lose and nothing to gain from any straightforward arrangements demanding clean and clear implementation of honest peace accords. The worst of it is, it doesn’t matter who sits in the oval office, these structures persist regardless, the politicians conform to the corrupted structures, not vice versa. Is this an insurmountable problem? My most optimistic answer would be ‘I don’t know’

    http://now.tufts.edu/articles/shadow-government

    ^ Addendum

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  125. So true!

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  126. Have to break off here, but will re-read this comment of yours with great interest, as well the two linked articles.

    thanks

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  127. Israel is NOT the largest exporter of oranges in the world. Without even looking for the statistics that claim is patently absurd considering the geographic size of its competitors, e.g., the U.S., Brazil, Italy. Where in the hell did you get that information?
    Even if true, we’re supposed to be impressed by orange production? Be serious!

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  128. Israel might pretend to be. Just like they pretended to invent “Jaffa oranges” –cultivation of which they had to be taught by the Palestinian inhabitants, the real developers of the orchards.

    Exporting depends on what you’re counting.

    Fresh oranges, #1=Egypt (Israel #13)
    http://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=oranges&graph=exports

    Orange juice, #1=Brazil (Israel #6, but they may import the oranges from Egypt before they export the juice. After all, Canada !!??!! is #7.)
    http://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=orange-juice&graph=exports

    There are probably pulps, concentrates, etc. as well.

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  129. ” . . . Individuals like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein have spoken out against it for years. Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure at DePaul in retaliation for his opposition. . . .”

    Yeah, and if I’m not mistaken, that Zionist shyster Alan Dershowitz was among those who persecuted Finkelstein.

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  130. You’re not mistaken.

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  131. Yes, I also respect Ron Unz. He’s a principled, intellectually honest man.

    The Unz Review is proof of that.

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  132. Thank you Annamarina for your courage and for your direct, hard hitting, correct comments on the nature of Israeli brutality, but the fact is that one cannot appeal to reason or logic when dealing with fanatics of any kind, esp religious fanatics.
    I support you 100% and many others do also, but it is useless to try to convince Israeli supporters. The real fight is here in the U.S. to attempt to regain control of our congress — our government — really from the quislings, buffoons, cowards, and traitors who have in effect made America a province, a satrapy, of Israel.

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  133. They own you , guys. They own America and Americans. Just shut up and keep paying.

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  134. Trivia department: orange juice is now on the list of dangerous substances covered up by big business according to a recent TV (?BBC Science) program about the way the sugar industry has spent 50 years creating apparent uncertainty about the malign effects of excessive sugar consumption. No help needed from Jews by an industry in the US which is also tops at getting maximum unjustified tariff and trade restrictions against low cost producing allies like Australia. But we need fruit don’t we? Sure just cut an orange in quarters and get juice and fibre together with your teeth. Some fibre and far fewer calories than in a glass of OJ.

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  135. Your logic baffles me or perhaps I should ask you to do people the courtesy of reading and understanding what has been said before you shoot.

    I say that I know of no evidence for Giraldi being a denialist wrt the Holocaust and say it is important for Sherman to follow up with his reasons for the allegation because both Giraldi’s and his own credibility are at stake. What’s to “debate”? What evidence would I be crossing my fingers and hoping might turn up? I very much hope that Giraldi isn’t a crude denialist of the Holocaust whereas it would only be very mildly disappointing to discover that Sherman had left a big mark over his credibility by falsely accusing Giraldi of being a denialist.

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  136. I think you have got yourself into a verbal muddle since doing and being can’t be opposites but I suppose you are suggesting that if he actively denied that the Holocaust occurred or was a planned and intended consequemce of Nazi decisions at a high level his credibility would be magnified.

    That is an overstatement at best because I presume that even you wouldn’t give carte blanche to denialists to say completely ridiculous snd untrue things such as “the Jews were treated no better and no worse than any other group by the Nazis”.

    As to your “how could….” I said that in the context of what the vast majority of reasonably intelligent educated people believe, precisely the kind of people he is intending to persuade and influence to share his views. They – including me – are indeed going to put less weight on anything PG writes if he is indeed a Holocaust denier in any but some very limited narrowly defined sense.

    So I would like Sherman, or a Holocaust denier, or someone, to show me what evidence there is on the matter.

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  137. The US mainstream media doesn’t discuss Israeli persecutions of non Jews including Christians. Many American Christians say they’re offended by Palestinians wanting the Christian areas of Jerusalem in Palestine and not Israel. The media especially FOX News show Israelis crying because their relatives were killed in the occupied territories. They justify Israelis torturing and killing Palestinians including children. They justify the killings of Rachel Corrie and other foreign protesters.

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