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Review: "Against Our Better Judgment"
The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel, by Alison Weir
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Alison Weir’s relatively short book covers the history of Zionism in the United States from the last decades of the 19th century until the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. (She is working on a second volume that will carry this history to the present.) Its brevity does not mean, however, that it is in any sense superficial, as it brings out key historical information, all well-documented, that sets the stage for the troubled world in which we now live. While histories of Zionism have usually focused on Europe, Weir shows that American adherents of this ideology have been far more important than generally has been recognized

AlisonWeir The basic theses of this book are encapsulated in the title and subtitle. The history of how American Zionists used America to create Israel was “hidden” in two respects. First, it was “hidden” in the sense that American Zionists often worked behind the scenes. More importantly, however, that history is known but has been kept hidden from the general public, who rely on the mainstream media, and exists almost exclusively in works produced by small publishers—often of a scholarly bent—read by only a few. As Weir points out, those who have tried to bring this information to the general public have suffered both venomous verbal attacks and economic threats that quickly silence the message and often destroy the messenger. This treatment obviously serves to prevent others from doing likewise—“Pour encourager les autres.”

America’s support for Israel ran “against our better judgment” in the sense that American foreign policy experts of the era covered by this work recognized that support for Zionist goals would damage American national interest and that this support only came about because of the political power of American Zionism.

While Weir is not a professional historian, she has intensively studied the literature on this subject for years, much of it rather arcane, as well as spending considerable time traveling in the region. Having a Ph.D. in history myself, I would like to point out that the writing of history does not require any specialized talents as are needed in such fields as theoretical physics or medicine, so that intelligent, hardworking laypersons can often produce works of great value. Weir does not purport to have pored over primary sources to discover new information, which is the hallmark of the professional historian’s craft, but rather synthesizes information from existing published studies that are largely unknown to the general public. Moreover, she brings to her work knowledge of the land and the peoples which she has picked up from her travels.

For those who still might find her background insufficient for her task, it should be further added that Israel apologist Alan Dershowitz, who lacks as far as I can tell any college degree in history, manages to produce works on Israel that are picked up by major publishers who would not think of publishing anything done by most academic historians. It might be added that academic historians, who specialize in monographs, would be loath to produce a comparable account of this subject from Weir’s perspective, since it would do little for their careers and might serve as their professional death knell.

While the book’s narrative is very readable and the key points can easily be digested by the average reader, it is nonetheless well-documented. To satisfy the more academic reader, the book has a section of extended endnotes longer than the narrative. I found the endnotes section valuable not only for confirming and expanding upon the content of the narrative but also in serving as a point of departure for additional research. I often switched from my Kindle book to a Web search, coming up with names of related books and articles that I would like to peruse, should I ever have the time to venture to a research library.

The work goes over a large number of little known but very important topics to demonstrate the powerful influence of Zionism over American foreign policy. Space, naturally, precludes me from discussing all the topics in detail so I have focused on those which seem to deal most directly with the major themes of the book.

The early political influence of Zionism is illustrated by the fact that in 1887 a Jewish American was made ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, which then controlled Palestine and was thus considered by Zionists as the key country with which to deal. This set the precedent of a Jewish ambassador to this country that was continued for the next 30 years, by which time the Zionist search for outside support had turned elsewhere.

The book brings up the central importance of Louis Brandeis and his disciple Felix Frankfurter in advancing the interests of Zionism. Brandeis was a noted social and economic reformer who was a Zionist and happened to be very close to President Wilson, who would put him on the Supreme Court in 1916, the first Jew to hold such a position. Even after joining the Supreme Court, Brandeis used this access to Wilson to promote Zionist interests, sometimes acting as a go-between for Wilson and British Zionists.

Brandeis would head the international Zionist Central Office during the teens but, perhaps even more significant, he would be a leading member of a secret society, the Parushim, the Hebrew word for “Pharisees” and “separate,” which covertly advanced the interests of Zionism in the United States and Europe. The Parushim was founded in 1913 by a University of Wisconsin philosophy professor, Horace M. Kallen, who ironically is considered to be the father of cultural pluralism in the United States. Obviously this idea conflicted completely with his support for the creation of a Jewish exclusivist state, but it is a contradiction that is rather commonplace among many Jews and liberal gentiles alike.

Kallen was regarded by some as first promoting the idea for what became the Balfour Declaration, which would set the stage for the modern state of Israel. He promoted this scheme in 1915 when the U.S. was still a neutral. He told a British friend that this would serve to bring the United States into World War I. It should be pointed out that at that time, despite serious diplomatic issues regarding German submarine warfare, the great majority of the American people wanted to avoid war and Wilson would be re-elected president in November 1916 on the slogan “He kept us out of war.” Kallen’s idea for advancing the Zionist goal, however, soon gained traction.

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Frustrated in their efforts to achieve a Jewish homeland in Palestine from the Ottoman Empire, the American Zionists turned toward Britain to bring this about. In 1916 as World War I dragged on indecisively, Zionist leaders promised the British that in return for a Jewish homeland in Palestine—which the British could expect to gain from the Ottomans as one of the spoils of a victorious war—American Zionists would work to bring the United States into the war on behalf of Britain and its allies. Many British strategists at the time, such as Winston Churchill, believed that such an event would turn the tide for victory. Weir holds that it “appears” that the Zionists’ activity was one factor in bringing America into the war[1]Alison Weir, Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel, (CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, 2014), Kindle Edition, Kindle Location 364. Weir contends that there were a number of factors that caused the United States to enter World War I in April 1917, some of which she lists, and that “Zionism appears to have been one of those factors.” and cites a number a number of reputable books and leading contemporary figures—such as then-British Prime Minister Lloyd George—that held that Zionists carried out their side of the bargain by pushing the United States into war.

The Balfour Declaration was a letter, dated November 2, 1917 (and coming out in the press one week later), from British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Walter Rothschild, a British Zionist leader, officially stating that Britain would use its “best endeavours to facilitate the achievement” of a Jewish Homeland in Palestine.

Now even to give attention to the Balfour Declaration in a history of World War I is somewhat outré; to claim that it caused the United States to enter war is one of those ultra-taboos. Although my Ph.D. was in American history with a focus on diplomacy (and a minor in 20th Century European history), never did I come into contact with anything about the Balfour Declaration in my college studies (which, granted, did not deal with the Middle East). I only knew about it from reading what the mainstream historical profession would regard as disreputable authors.

Reference to the Balfour Declaration and the Zionist role in it was considered one of the daring things done by the iconoclastic Israeli “New Historian” Tom Segev who discussed it in his book, One Palestine, Complete: Jews and Arabs Under the British Mandate (2000). In a lecture on his book that I heard at the University of Maryland in 2002, Segev, though acknowledging that the British goal was winning over Jews to their side[2]Some historians have diluted this Jewish factor, attributing motivation to British foreign policy goals in the Near East. A Jewish homeland allegedly could serve as a buffer zone that would protect the Suez Canal., derided the idea of any real Jewish power, attributing that mode of thinking to “anti-Semitism.” In 2010, Segev expressed this view in a review of a new book on the Balfour Declaration: “Obviously there was no ‘Jewish power’ controlling world affairs, but Weizmann[3]Chaim Weizmann was a leading figure in the Zionist movement who served as President of the Zionist Organization and later as the first President of Israel. successfully pretended that the Jews were in fact turning the wheels of history. For once, the anti-Semitic image of the Jews proved useful — they were believed to be so maliciously dangerous that one would do best to acquire them as allies rather than as enemies.”[4]Tom Segev, “‘View With Favor’, Review of The Balfour Declaration: The Origins of the Arab-Israeli Conflict by Jonathan Schneer, International New York Times, August 20, 2010, accessed December 13, 2015, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/books/review/Sege....html.

In other parts of his review, Segev’s analysis is impressive. For example he writes: “The Balfour declaration thus finds its place among a multitude of fruitless schemes and indulgent fantasies, except, of course, that in this case, surprisingly, the British by and large kept their word. For at least two decades they allowed the Zionist movement to bring hundreds of thousands of Jewish immigrants into Palestine, and these new arrivals set up hundreds of settlements including several towns, as well as the political, economic, military and cultural infrastructure of the future state of Israel. But if Israel’s existence originated with the British, so did the Palestinians’ tragedy.”

Although Segev is a daring historian who often rejects the Zionist myths on the creation of Israel, in this case he essentially relies on a classic Zionist-constructed strawman, which involves greatly exaggerating the view that the Zionists (and Jews in general) don’t like. It is highly doubtful that the British foreign office believed that Jews were so powerful as to be “turning the wheels of history.” (If that had been the case, one would think that the British would have offered Jews much more than Palestine from the very start of the war.) Furthermore, as noted earlier, Weir does not subscribe to anything like this Zionist strawman in regard to the Balfour Declaration, or anything else, I should add.

However, what is important is not only whether the American Zionists were able to bring the United States into a war, but that they made a solemn promise to a foreign country that they would try to do so. As a matter of fact, since Zionists such as Brandeis knew much about Wilson’s thinking and undoubtedly were kept abreast on what Germany was likely to do (it being well-known that Germany was suffering from the British “starvation” blockade and that politically powerful voices there wanted to retaliate by pursuing a harsher submarine policy toward neutrals such as the U.S.), they may have realistically thought in 1916 that there was a good chance that the United States would shortly go to war whether they interceded or not, which meant it would be a wise move to make such a deal and be able to get credit for a result that was not of their own making.[5]The controversial House-Grey memorandum, developed with Britain in February 1916, stated that at an appropriate time Wilson would call for a peace conference. If the Allies accepted the offer and Germany rejected it or acted intransigently at the conference, the United States would go to war against Germany. And if Germany accepted the offer and a peace conference did take place, the settlement would not be unfavorable to the Allies. Wayne S. Cole, An Interpretive History of American Foreign Relations (Homewood, Ill.: Dorsey Press, 1968), 363

It is also of significance that the American Zionists promised to push the U.S. into war not because they believed that it was in their own country’s national interest—as was the case for a number of prominent Americans such as former President Theodore Roosevelt—but solely for what they considered to be in the interests of world Jewry. Ascribing “dual loyalty” to any Jews is regarded as a classic anti-Semitic canard. In this case, however, the American Zionists’ position did not even rise to the level of “dual loyalty,” being purely singular in that it evinced no apparent concern whatsoever for American interests.

Linked to the Balfour Declaration, Weir points out that “American Zionists may also have played a role in preventing an early peace with the Ottoman Empire.”[6]Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Location 449. In 1917, the U.S. State Department had heard that the Ottomans were becoming weary of the war, and it decided to send a secret mission to explore the possibility of detaching the Ottoman Empire from its alliance with the other Central Powers. Such a separate peace would likely leave the Ottoman Empire (or Turkey as it would become shortly)[7]The Wikipedia entry for “Ottoman Empire,” states that the “’Ottoman Empire’ and ‘Turkey’ were often used interchangeably, with ‘Turkey’ being increasingly favored both in formal and informal situations. This dichotomy was officially ended in 1920–23, when the newly established Ankara-based Turkish government chose Turkey as the sole official name,” accessed December 13, 2015, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire . in control of its Asian possessions, which would mean that since Britain would not gain Palestine, no home for Jews could emerge there.

This mission was headed by former Ambassador Henry Morgenthau, who, though Jewish, was not a Zionist. However, he was persuaded by Zionists such as Brandeis protégé Felix Frankfurter, who was a member of the mission’s delegation, to abandon the effort. In a meeting with Morgenthau, Chaim Weizmann, a leading British Zionist who was alerted by American Zionists as to the danger posed by Morgenthau’s mission, also played a major role in stopping the potentially-peacemaking mission, as is indicated in Weir’s endnotes.[8]Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Locations 2668-2669 .

Other obstacles to the Zionists’ goal in Palestine would also arise soon after the end of the war in November 1918. Important Christian Americans who were intimately involved in the Near East and supported self-determination for the Arabs recognized that this could not take place if the Zionists were able to set up an ethnic Jewish enclave on Arab land. They went to the Paris Peace Conference which, among a number of issues stemming from World War I, would deal with the territorial settlement.

As a result of the divergent views on the future status of the territory to be given up by the Ottoman Empire, President Wilson decided to send an investigatory commission to the region, which became known as the King-Crane Commission.[9]The King-Crane Commission was originally created as the American Section of the Inter-Allied Commission on Mandates in Turkey, which was also to include British and French members, and be like a number of other fact finding missions stemming from the Paris Peace Conference of 1919. These two countries failed to participate. Ken Grossi, Maren Milligan, and Ted Waddelow, Restoring Lost Voices of Self-Determination: Background to the Commission, August 2011, Part of the King-Crane Commission Digital Collection, Oberlin College Archives, accessed December 13, 2015, http://www.oberlin.edu/library/digital/king-crane/i...o.html . In line with Wilson’s goal of national self-determination, the commission sought to discover how the region’s inhabitants wanted to be governed, and they overwhelmingly expressed opposition to a Jewish home in Palestine.

Weir points out that “Zionists through Brandeis dominated the situation, however, and the report was suppressed until after the Peace Accords were enacted.”[10]Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Locations 502-503. At the Paris Peace Conference, Weir writes, “[t]he U.S. delegation was forced to follow Zionist directives.”[11]Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Location 505.

One minor criticism here is that the reader might incorrectly get the impression that the King-Crane Commission dealt solely with Palestine, while it actually involved all the territories severed from, or expected to be severed from, the Ottoman Empire (Turkey).[12]The King-Crane Commission Report, August 28, 1919, http://www.hri.org/docs/king-crane/. The report includes discussions of territory intended to have been taken from Turkey in the Treaty of Sevres, which Turkey never accepted and was not implemented. The issue of Palestine made up about half of the report on “Syria,” which also included present day Syria and Lebanon. The other two geographical sections of the report were “Mesopotamia” and “Non-Arabic speaking portions of the Former Ottoman Empire (Asia Minor).”[13]Ibid. Thus the suppression of the commission’s report was likely due not only to opposition by Zionists, but also to other interested parties disturbed by its findings in areas other than Palestine. These parties would include the British, French and Greeks.

In regard to the report’s description of Palestine, however, Weir’s presentation was completely on the mark. The King-Crane report reflected extreme opposition to Zionism expressed by those Muslims and Christians who lived in Palestine as well as by those who lived in neighboring areas.

Weir points out that during the inter-war period, when Palestine was governed by Britain under a League of Nations mandate, which was intended to prepare the country for eventual independence, the American Zionists moved away from openly pushing for the establishment of an exclusivist Jewish state in Palestine since this ran counter to the temper of the times—which reflected American opposition to militant nationalism and dual loyalty, and respect for majority rule and national self-determination. Instead, Zionists focused on the development of Jewish institutions in Palestine, which would serve as a basis for a Jewish state. Zionist leaders, such as David Ben-Gurion, still viewed American support as key to their establishment of a Jewish state.

With World War II on the horizon, Zionists began to return directly to their goal of a Jewish state. A precursor of the current Israel lobby, the American Zionist Emergency Council (AZEC), began in 1939. In order to pressure the U.S. government to support a Zionist state, AZEC worked to establish more than 400 local committees under 76 state and regional branches to promote this goal. These committees distributed Zionist pamphlets, circulated petitions, and engaged in letter writing campaigns to promote the Zionist cause. AZEC also funded books, articles and academic studies for this same purpose.

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By the end of World War II, Zionist efforts gave them considerable power in American politics. In order to appeal to the general American populace, they stressed the needs of the many Jewish European refugees, connecting the refugee problem to Palestine, the latter destination purportedly being the only solution to their existing homelessness. By this humanitarian argument, Zionists could thus appeal to many Americans who did not necessarily believe the Zionists’ contention that Jews had a historical right to control Palestine.

As Britain opted to turn over the troublesome issue of Palestine to the United Nations in 1947, Zionists pushed for a partitioning of Palestine between Jews and the indigenous Palestinian population. The partition plan discriminated in favor of the Zionists, since while the Jewish population comprised about 30 percent of Palestine’s population, the plan would award them with 55 percent of the land. And the Zionists’ real goal was not to be content with that amount but to also grab the remainder.

U.S. State Department officials strenuously opposed the partition plan, looking upon this approach as both contrary to America’s professed principle of national self-determination and its vital interests in the Middle East, where a vast majority of the governments and their people were vehemently opposed to Zionism. A leading State Department official in this opposition was Loy Henderson, Director of the Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs. Zionists viciously attacked him, demanding his removal and even threatening his family. The State Department chose to move him elsewhere and in 1948 President Truman named him Ambassador to Nepal, which kept him far away from anything to do with Palestine.

Removing Henderson, however, did not make the State Department favorable toward transforming any part of Palestine into a Jewish state. Among the higher level opponents were the head of the State Department‘s Division of Near Eastern Affairs, Gordon P. Merriam; Undersecretary of State Dean Acheson, who later became Secretary of State; and George F. Kennan, the State Department‘s Director of Policy Planning, noted as the architect of America’s containment policy against Soviet Communism.

The State Department was not the only part of the executive branch of the United States government that opposed the Zionist goal for Palestine. The newly-created CIA reported in 1947 that the Zionists were seeking goals that would be harmful to both Jews and “the strategic interests of the Western powers in the Near and Middle East.”[14]Quoted in Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Location 798. The Joint Chiefs of Staff opposed partition and expressed the prescient fear that the Zionist aim was to involve the U.S. in their conflict with their Middle East enemies.

Despite this opposition from a consensus of foreign policy and national security experts within his own government, Truman opted to support the Zionist partition plan for political reasons, relying heavily on the views of his domestic political advisor, Clark Clifford, who maintained that the Jewish vote and financial backing were necessary to win the presidential election in 1948. Truman‘s Secretary of State George Marshall, noted for the famed Marshall Plan that helped to rebuild devastated Western Europe, and Secretary of Defense James Forrestal remained staunchly opposed to what they regarded as Truman’s willingness to sacrifice vital national security interests on the altar of domestic politics.

Weir points out that a number of wealthy Zionist Jews provided financial support for Truman’s presidential campaign in 1948, which may put us in mind of Zionist mega-donors of today such as Sheldon Adelson. One of these backers was Abraham Feinberg who funded Truman’s epic whistle-stop train campaign. Truman would give Feinberg credit for his victory. As quid pro quo, the Truman administration remained inert when the CIA later reported that Feinberg was involved in illegal gun-running to Zionist groups in Palestine.

I should add that while Truman has become something of an idol for recent historians, he was looked upon during his time as being driven by what would benefit his own political interest. As the redoubtable journalist H. L. Mencken quipped about Truman’s 1948 campaign: “If there had been any formidable body of cannibals in the country he would have promised them with free missionaries, fattened at the taxpayer’s expense.” In Truman’s defense, however, it should be pointed out that two of his key opponents in the 1948 presidential election, Republican Thomas Dewey and the left-wing Progressive Party candidate Henry Wallace, Franklin Roosevelt’s former Vice-President, were both staunchly pro-Zionist.[15]Wallace had no chance of winning the election but Truman’s backers feared that he could syphon off enough liberal votes in large Northern and Midwestern states to enable Dewey to win the election. The issue of Israel did not play a role in Strom Thurmond’s 1948 campaign in the South, which focused on states’ rights and racial issues.

Weir describes a number of Zionists who maintained personal contact with Truman and likely played a role in shaping his policies. David K. Niles, Truman’s executive assistant, was regularly briefed by the head of the Washington Office of the Zionist Organization of America and was believed to be passing top-secret information to the Israeli government. Truman’s long-time friend and former business partner, Eddie Jacobson, was a staunch Zionist with close access to Truman who would describe his information to be of “decisive importance.”[16]Quoted in Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Location 894.

King-Crane Commission Report, August 28, 1919.
Sam Rosenman, a political advisor to Truman, screened State Department memos to Truman.

Although the United States had announced its support for the partition of Palestine, it was apparent that the partition plan still lacked the necessary two-thirds vote to pass in the UN General Assembly. Consequently, the Zionists were able to get a delay in the vote and used that time to intimidate or bribe opponents to reverse their positions.

For example, Weir notes that Wall Street financier and perennial presidential adviser Bernard Baruch threatened war-torn France that it would be denied aid from the United States if it voted against partition. David Niles was able to get rubber baron Harvey Firestone to tell the Liberian president that he would terminate his planned expansion in his country if it did not vote in favor of partition. Haiti was promised economic aid if it would change its vote and support the measure. Costa Rica’s President Jose Figueres was said to have received a blank checkbook to get his country’s vote.

As a result of this behind the scenes skullduggery, the UN General Assembly on November 29, 1947, voted in favor of the adoption and implementation of the partition plan as UN General Assembly Resolution 181. Although this resolution is widely believed in the United States to have created Israel,[17]Jeremy R. Hammond, “The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel,” Foreign Policy Journal, October 26, 2010, accessed December 13, 2015, http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-...rael/. Weir correctly points out that it “was of limited (if any) legal impact” since General Assembly resolutions, as opposed to those of the Security Council, are not binding on member states. Although the resolution recommended that the UN Security Council implement the partition, it never did.[18]More than this, the UN General Assembly, after the vote, created another committee that came to quite different conclusions. Jeremy Hammond writes: “The Ad Hoc Committee on the Palestinian Question was established by the General Assembly shortly after the issuance of the UNSCOP report in order to continue to study the problem and make recommendations. A sub-committee was established in turn that was tasked with examining the legal issues pertaining to the situation in Palestine, and it released the report of its findings on November 11. It observed that the UNSCOP report had accepted a basic premise ‘that the claims to Palestine of the Arabs and Jews both possess validity’, which was ‘not supported by any cogent reasons and is demonstrably against the weight of all available evidence.’ With an end to the Mandate and with British withdrawal, ‘there is no further obstacle to the conversion of Palestine into an independent state’, which ‘would be the logical culmination of the objectives of the Mandate’ and the Covenant of the League of Nations. It found that ‘the General Assembly is not competent to recommend, still less to enforce, any solution other than the recognition of the independence of Palestine, and that the settlement of the future government of Palestine is a matter solely for the people of Palestine.’’’ Hammond, “The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel.”

The effect of the General Assembly’s resolution, however, was to increase the fighting in Palestine. While the Zionist myth would have it that the Jews in Palestine were simply a peaceful community set upon by violent Arabs intent on genocide, Weir points out that Zionist military forces had been covertly preparing for war for some time. They had amassed extensive armaments, some of it coming illicitly from the U.S., and their troop numbers exceeded those of their foes even after five Arab governments had joined the fray. The traditional Zionist portrayal of Israel’s war for independence (which, of course, prevented independence for the Palestinians) as a David versus Goliath conflict in which the Jews miraculously overcame overwhelming odds is pure fiction, but it is still believed in many quarters today and continues to generate sympathy for Israel. On May 15, 1948, Zionists announced the establishment of their new state of Israel, for which they did not establish any boundaries.

Sniegoski A quick aside here: somewhat ironically, in my view, Weir barely touches on the United States decision to recognize Israel. Moreover, what does exist is largely in the endnotes. Although there will be a second volume to Weir’s history, and the cut-off point for this volume has to be somewhere, still the fact that the book does make reference to events in 1948 would seem to have made it appropriate to discuss in some detail the issue of America’s quick recognition of Israel.

A number of interlocking organizations operated in the U.S. to raise money for Zionist paramilitary groups in Palestine, though this goal was kept secret. These organizations were under the direction of the leader of the Irgun Delegation, Hillel Kook, who operated under the name of Peter Bergson. During World War II, these organizations purported to be trying to alert people to the genocide of European Jews and trying to rescue those still alive. By promoting this purpose these organizations were able to attract substantial public support, including from those who would be repulsed by their funding of terrorist activities, which, Weir implies, was their real intent. The latter, she maintains, was made manifest by the organizations’ failure to actually rescue Jews from Europe.

The Irgun group engaged in numerous public activities to raise money, one of the most successful being a pageant entitled “We Will Never Die!” which, woven within the backdrop of the Nazi genocide, celebrated the Jewish contribution to Western civilization. Written by Ben Hecht, an Academy Award-winning screenwriter, the pageant included such Broadway and Hollywood celebrities of the era as Edward G. Robinson, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, and Leonard Bernstein. Forty thousand attended the extravaganza’s New York performances. It went on to play in a number of other large American cities. The group produced a number of other plays and rallies, one of which featured a young Marlon Brando, and raised $1 million.[19]Marlon Brando was very close to Jews before he became a movie star and later donated a considerable amount of money to Zionist causes. He expressed more negative views of Jews toward the end of his life. See: Allan M. Jalon, “How Marlon Brando Became Godfather to the Jews,” Forward, September 16, 2015, accessed December 13, 2015, http://forward.com/culture/320671/how-marlon-brando...jews/; Danielle Berrin, “Marlon Brando and the Jews,” Jewish Journal, July 30, 2014, accessed December 13, 2015, http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/marl..._jews.

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Some American Zionists, Weir observes, actually planned terrorist activities outside of Palestine in order to influence developments there. One such terrorist activity conceived by a group of American Zionists headed by an Orthodox Rabbi named Baruch Korff consisted of a plan to drop bombs along with threatening leaflets on the British foreign office in London, or anywhere in London if that were too difficult. The airplane pilot sought for this task, however, went to the Paris Police—he and Korff both being in France at the time—and Korff was arrested. Powerful people rushed to Korff’s defense and the charges were dropped. Korff thus was able return to his former activities in America as if nothing had happened. With this particular event thrown down the Orwellian “memory hole,” Korff resurfaced over two decades later as a public figure close to President Richard Nixon, influencing the latter’s Middle East policies.

The amount of money raised for Zionist groups during in the United States during these years is impossible to calculate accurately, but it would be enormous. Weir writes that between 1939 and May 1948 the Jewish Agency for Israel alone raised the equivalent of $3.5 billion in today’s dollars.

David Ben-Gurion, then de facto leader of the Jewish community in Palestine, realized that the international concern for Jewish refugees could be used to advance the cause of a Jewish state by making it appear that no other safe refuges for Jews existed. Weir illustrates this deception by a discussion of the famous ship Exodus, which carried Holocaust survivors to Palestine when the British were not allowing illegal immigration there.

Weir points out that what is generally unknown to the public is that the French were willing to take in those Exodus refugees but Ben-Gurion rejected that solution, forcing those survivors to remain on board the ship for seven months. Weir quotes historian Baruch Kimmerling on the significance of the Exodus affair: “Ben-Gurion‘s strategy in the Exodus affair paid off. The fate of the refugee ship attracted considerable and sympathetic attention around the world, and served the Zionist cause well. Few observers at the time knew that many of the refugees from the Exodus had applied for immigration visas to the United States, and were hardly anxious to settle in Israel . . . . By dramatizing the fate of the survivors, in whom he had little interest except as future residents of the state he was building . . . Ben-Gurion helped to make Israel the world’s chief power broker over Jewish affairs.”[20]Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Locations 1249-1256.

Weir includes a brief reference to Leon Uris’s bestselling 1958 novel on the Exodus ship, and though it falls outside the chronological purview of this volume, I would add that the impact of the already mythologized Exodus event was greatly magnified by Uris’s book, which sold over 7 million copies and was turned into a blockbuster movie in 1960 by Otto Preminger, a leading film director of the era. The film has been identified by many commentators as having greatly enhanced support for Israel in the United States by Jews as well as gentiles and in the view of some scholars this movie has had a lasting effect on how Americans view the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Weir even acknowledges that it had initially shaped her thinking on the subject.[21]The movie had an all-star cast (and a very popular, award winning theme song), which included: Paul Newman, Eva Marie Saint, Peter Lawford, Sal Mineo, and Lee J. Cobb.

While the pro-Zionist propaganda that inundated the American media played up the existence of Jewish refugees who allegedly sought to come to Israel, there was little popular attention paid toward the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were being driven from their homeland as a result of Zionist massacres and other forcible expulsion measures. A State Department study in March 1949 found the American public was “unaware of the Palestine refugee problem, since it has not been hammered away at by the press or radio.”[22]Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Locations 1370-1371.

To underscore the importance of what Weir presents on this subject, it should be pointed out that until fairly recently, Israel’s denial of ever having expelled the Palestinians dominated the public discourse in the U.S. It was alleged that when Arab armies were about to invade the newly-declared state of Israel, Palestinians left their homes in the new Israel at the behest of their leaders, expecting to return with the victorious Arab armies. Beginning in the 1980s, however, Israel’s so-called “New Historians,” relying on newly released Israeli documents, exploded this myth. They concluded that the major cause of Palestinian flight was Israeli military action, which included terrorist massacres and the fear of them.

Even without the discovery of this Israeli documentary evidence, or any other documentary evidence for that matter, the use of the cui bono test would strongly point to Zionist culpability for the removal of the native Palestinians. For the Zionists planned to create a state that was both democratic and Jewish. This would be impossible if a large number of non-Jewish people, who were largely hostile to Zionism, resided within the country. From this fact, it would seem reasonable to conclude that the emptying of Palestine in 1948 was not a serendipitous development from the perspective of the Zionists, but one that was intentionally brought about by them.

Weir observes that U.S. State Department experts at the time were aware of Israel’s inhumane actions and sought to take action to at least moderate Israel’s effort to achieve a permanent removal of Palestinians. The State Department threatened to withhold $49 million of unallocated funds from an Export-Import Bank loan to Israel if it did not allow at least 200,000 refugees to return to their homes. Although Truman sympathized with the Palestinians’ plight, and in early 1948 even briefly considered backtracking from the partition and supporting a UN trusteeship for the entirety of Palestine, he ultimately prevented the State Department’s move from being implemented.

Weir points out that those in the mainstream media who attempted to alert the American people to the reality of the dispossession of the Palestinian people were effectively prevented from doing so by pro-Zionists. The latter relied on hurling the career-destroying charge of “anti-Semitism” and threatening economic measures to harm any media outlet that would dare to disseminate information they deemed to be too negative toward Israel.

The individual whom the Zionists caused to fall the farthest was Dorothy Thompson. Weir deserves much credit here for pulling this once well-known figure out of the Orwellian memory hole. Thompson happens to have been one of the principal figures in my doctoral dissertation titled, ”The Intellectual Wellsprings of American World War II Interventionism, 1939-1941.”[23]Stephen John Sniegoski, “The Intellectual Wellsprings of American World War II Interventionism, 1939-1941,” (PhD diss., University of Maryland-College Park, 1977).

My research on Thompson included a visit to the archival collection of her papers at the George Arents Research Library at Syracuse University in Syracuse, New York, in 1976, where I perused some material dealing with her break with American Jews, which was outside the scope of my dissertation.
And I have added a few additional points to what Weir has in her book to illustrate the high reputation Thompson had at one time.

Thompson was an early and persistent critic of Nazism. She had an interview with Hitler in 1931 before he had become German Chancellor, which was made into a book. Thompson portrayed Hitler and Nazism in a negative light and in 1934, the now Nazi government of Germany expelled her when she attempted to visit the country. From 1934 onward, the bulk of her writing dealt with the danger posed by Nazism to the Western democracies. After the start of World War II in Europe in September 1939, Thompson was a staunch interventionist who initially advocated greater American aid to the allies but by the latter part of 1941 she was advocating American entrance into the war.

In 1939, Time Magazine named Thompson the second most popular and influential woman in America behind Eleanor Roosevelt.[24]Thompson’s correspondence in her manuscript collection at Syracuse University illustrates her importance. The Overview of the Collection states: “Correspondents include authors (John Gunther, Wallace Irwin, Alfred M. Lilienthal, Edgar A. Mowrer, Vincent Sheehan, Johannes Urzidil), literary figures (Jean Cocteau, Rose Wilder Lane, Thomas Mann, Rebecca West), politicians and statesmen (Bernard M. Baruch, Winston Churchill, Ely Culbertson, Ralph E. Flanders, Felix Frankfurter, Charles de Gaulle, Cordell Hull, Clare Boothe Luce, Jan Masaryk, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Franklin D. and Eleanor Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman).” Overview of the Collection, Dorothy Thompson Papers, Syracuse University Libraries, accessed December 13, 2015, http://library.syr.edu/digital/guides/t/thompson_d.htm. She spoke out about anti-Semitism and the plight of the Jews in Europe, and urged a relaxation of immigration restrictions so the U.S. could be a safe haven for Jews under threat in Europe. She also was a strong supporter of Zionism.

In early 1945 she took a trip to Palestine where she saw firsthand Jews oppressing Palestinians. She came to realize that the Zionists sought to create a Jewish exclusivist state, not one that would include all of its current inhabitants. Her criticism of Zionism led to charges against her of “anti-Semitism” and even pro-Nazism, as absurd as that was given her background.[25]Thompson’s relationship with American Jews actually began to sour toward the end of the war before the emergence of the issue of Zionist mistreatment of Palestinians. She differed with the Jewish establishment regarding her opposition to the Anglo-American incendiary bombing of German cities, which involved the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, and also the demand for a Carthaginian peace with Germany that was reflected in the Morgenthau Plan. She viewed these actions as violating the alleged idealistic purpose of the war, whereas many Jews sought punishment of the German people because of what the Nazis had done to their co-religionists. As a result of this all-out Zionist attack, newspapers began to drop her columns. Especially harmful was her loss of an outlet in New York City—where she had received a large proportion of her income—when the New York Post dropped her column with no other major New York City daily being willing to pick it up. Her radio program and speaking engagements also disappeared. Despite these problems, Thompson would not back away from her criticism of Zionism. And she continued to do so in the dwindling number of newspapers that still took her column, which did not end until 1958.

It is significant that the black-out of Dorothy Thompson has continued after her death, and perhaps even become worse. In the effort to make the subject of American history more inclusive, recent historians have often added women who were little known in their own eras, whereas Thompson who had been an important figure remains unmentioned. It seems likely that she has remained largely unmentioned both for what she had to say about Zionism and also by the fact that she was blacklisted by pro-Zionists, the power of whom one is not allowed to publicly acknowledge. (This contrasts with those Americans who were blacklisted for being pro-Communist, who are now often praised as martyrs because of this treatment.)

To conclude the review, it should be emphasized that this concise book should be of value to a wide audience. The general reader with little background knowledge should easily pick up a number of key points that serve to dispel the many myths that loom large today in the mainstream media, while even those individuals familiar with the subject are almost guaranteed to profit from little known facts, especially in the notes section, that should augment their knowledge. And it is essential that many more Americans become aware of this knowledge if America’s position is to change regarding Israel and the Middle East in general. Such a change is essential not only to bring about some degree of justice for the Palestinians but in order to extricate the United States from the debilitating regional conflicts that its close connection with Israel has entailed. It will be interesting to see how Weir, in her forthcoming volume, deals with the problems America has faced in more recent years that ineluctably derived from the events described in this work.

[1] Alison Weir, Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel, (CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, 2014), Kindle Edition, Kindle Location 364. Weir contends that there were a number of factors that caused the United States to enter World War I in April 1917, some of which she lists, and that “Zionism appears to have been one of those factors.”

[2] Some historians have diluted this Jewish factor, attributing motivation to British foreign policy goals in the Near East. A Jewish homeland allegedly could serve as a buffer zone that would protect the Suez Canal.

[3] Chaim Weizmann was a leading figure in the Zionist movement who served as President of the Zionist Organization and later as the first President of Israel.

[4] Tom Segev, “‘View With Favor’, Review of The Balfour Declaration: The Origins of the Arab-Israeli Conflict by Jonathan Schneer, International New York Times, August 20, 2010, accessed December 13, 2015, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/books/review/Segev-t.html.

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In other parts of his review, Segev’s analysis is impressive. For example he writes: “The Balfour declaration thus finds its place among a multitude of fruitless schemes and indulgent fantasies, except, of course, that in this case, surprisingly, the British by and large kept their word. For at least two decades they allowed the Zionist movement to bring hundreds of thousands of Jewish immigrants into Palestine, and these new arrivals set up hundreds of settlements including several towns, as well as the political, economic, military and cultural infrastructure of the future state of Israel. But if Israel’s existence originated with the British, so did the Palestinians’ tragedy.”

[5] The controversial House-Grey memorandum, developed with Britain in February 1916, stated that at an appropriate time Wilson would call for a peace conference. If the Allies accepted the offer and Germany rejected it or acted intransigently at the conference, the United States would go to war against Germany. And if Germany accepted the offer and a peace conference did take place, the settlement would not be unfavorable to the Allies. Wayne S. Cole, An Interpretive History of American Foreign Relations (Homewood, Ill.: Dorsey Press, 1968), 363

[6] Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Location 449.

[7] The Wikipedia entry for “Ottoman Empire,” states that the “’Ottoman Empire’ and ‘Turkey’ were often used interchangeably, with ‘Turkey’ being increasingly favored both in formal and informal situations. This dichotomy was officially ended in 1920–23, when the newly established Ankara-based Turkish government chose Turkey as the sole official name,” accessed December 13, 2015, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire .

[8] Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Locations 2668-2669 .

[9] The King-Crane Commission was originally created as the American Section of the Inter-Allied Commission on Mandates in Turkey, which was also to include British and French members, and be like a number of other fact finding missions stemming from the Paris Peace Conference of 1919. These two countries failed to participate. Ken Grossi, Maren Milligan, and Ted Waddelow, Restoring Lost Voices of Self-Determination: Background to the Commission, August 2011, Part of the King-Crane Commission Digital Collection, Oberlin College Archives, accessed December 13, 2015, http://www.oberlin.edu/library/digital/king-crane/intro.html .

[10] Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Locations 502-503.

[11] Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Location 505.

[12] The King-Crane Commission Report, August 28, 1919, http://www.hri.org/docs/king-crane/. The report includes discussions of territory intended to have been taken from Turkey in the Treaty of Sevres, which Turkey never accepted and was not implemented.

[13] Ibid.

[14] Quoted in Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Location 798.

[15] Wallace had no chance of winning the election but Truman’s backers feared that he could syphon off enough liberal votes in large Northern and Midwestern states to enable Dewey to win the election. The issue of Israel did not play a role in Strom Thurmond’s 1948 campaign in the South, which focused on states’ rights and racial issues.

[16] Quoted in Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Location 894.

King-Crane Commission Report, August 28, 1919.

[17] Jeremy R. Hammond, “The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel,” Foreign Policy Journal, October 26, 2010, accessed December 13, 2015, http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel/.

[18] More than this, the UN General Assembly, after the vote, created another committee that came to quite different conclusions. Jeremy Hammond writes: “The Ad Hoc Committee on the Palestinian Question was established by the General Assembly shortly after the issuance of the UNSCOP report in order to continue to study the problem and make recommendations. A sub-committee was established in turn that was tasked with examining the legal issues pertaining to the situation in Palestine, and it released the report of its findings on November 11. It observed that the UNSCOP report had accepted a basic premise ‘that the claims to Palestine of the Arabs and Jews both possess validity’, which was ‘not supported by any cogent reasons and is demonstrably against the weight of all available evidence.’ With an end to the Mandate and with British withdrawal, ‘there is no further obstacle to the conversion of Palestine into an independent state’, which ‘would be the logical culmination of the objectives of the Mandate’ and the Covenant of the League of Nations. It found that ‘the General Assembly is not competent to recommend, still less to enforce, any solution other than the recognition of the independence of Palestine, and that the settlement of the future government of Palestine is a matter solely for the people of Palestine.’’’ Hammond, “The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel.”

[19] Marlon Brando was very close to Jews before he became a movie star and later donated a considerable amount of money to Zionist causes. He expressed more negative views of Jews toward the end of his life. See: Allan M. Jalon, “How Marlon Brando Became Godfather to the Jews,” Forward, September 16, 2015, accessed December 13, 2015, http://forward.com/culture/320671/how-marlon-brando-became-godfather-to-the-jews/; Danielle Berrin, “Marlon Brando and the Jews,” Jewish Journal, July 30, 2014, accessed December 13, 2015, http://www.jewishjournal.com/hollywoodjew/item/marlon_brando_and_the_jews.

[20] Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Locations 1249-1256.

[21] The movie had an all-star cast (and a very popular, award winning theme song), which included: Paul Newman, Eva Marie Saint, Peter Lawford, Sal Mineo, and Lee J. Cobb.

[22] Weir, Against Our Better Judgment, Kindle Locations 1370-1371.

[23] Stephen John Sniegoski, “The Intellectual Wellsprings of American World War II Interventionism, 1939-1941,” (PhD diss., University of Maryland-College Park, 1977).

My research on Thompson included a visit to the archival collection of her papers at the George Arents Research Library at Syracuse University in Syracuse, New York, in 1976, where I perused some material dealing with her break with American Jews, which was outside the scope of my dissertation.

[24] Thompson’s correspondence in her manuscript collection at Syracuse University illustrates her importance. The Overview of the Collection states: “Correspondents include authors (John Gunther, Wallace Irwin, Alfred M. Lilienthal, Edgar A. Mowrer, Vincent Sheehan, Johannes Urzidil), literary figures (Jean Cocteau, Rose Wilder Lane, Thomas Mann, Rebecca West), politicians and statesmen (Bernard M. Baruch, Winston Churchill, Ely Culbertson, Ralph E. Flanders, Felix Frankfurter, Charles de Gaulle, Cordell Hull, Clare Boothe Luce, Jan Masaryk, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Franklin D. and Eleanor Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman).” Overview of the Collection, Dorothy Thompson Papers, Syracuse University Libraries, accessed December 13, 2015, http://library.syr.edu/digital/guides/t/thompson_d.htm.

[25] Thompson’s relationship with American Jews actually began to sour toward the end of the war before the emergence of the issue of Zionist mistreatment of Palestinians. She differed with the Jewish establishment regarding her opposition to the Anglo-American incendiary bombing of German cities, which involved the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, and also the demand for a Carthaginian peace with Germany that was reflected in the Morgenthau Plan. She viewed these actions as violating the alleged idealistic purpose of the war, whereas many Jews sought punishment of the German people because of what the Nazis had done to their co-religionists.

 
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  1. “Obviously there was no ‘Jewish power’ controlling world affairs, but Weizmann [3] successfully pretended that the Jews were in fact turning the wheels of history. For once, the anti-Semitic image of the Jews proved useful — they were believed to be so maliciously dangerous that one would do best to acquire them as allies rather than as enemies.”[4]”

    So all what we stupid goys must do is just to stop believing that Jews have power and there will be no Jewish power. Will Jews allow us to change that belief? No, they want to keep their power, right?

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    • Replies: @Sebastian Puettmann
    First of all, no Jew can make you believe anything.

    Second, for me it is quite obvious that the jewish state was a project by 3 rather suspicious, if not downright criminal groups: a) the western military industrial complex to have an excuse to wage war around the world and to be present in the middle east, b) a small jewish elite with more money than was probably good for them, and c) minority jewish doomsday sects who believe in "helping god" make history.

    As Wolfgang Eggert, German historian, said: Most jews were opposed to "be sent into the desert". For they had their shops in the Champs-Élysées in Paris or in the best parts of Berlin and were living comfortable lives.

    If you think that elite Jewish organisations speak for all jews than you might as well stop reading UNZ and go to Foreign Affairs because the CFR speaks for all Americans, right?
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  2. Attack on Truman:

    From letter by Truman’s daughter:

    In the summer of 1947, the so-called Stern Gang of Palestine terrorists tried to assassinate Dad by mail. A number of cream-colored envelopes about eight by six inches, arrived in the White House, addressed to the President and various members of the staff. Inside them was a smaller envelope marked “Private and Confidential.” Inside that second envelope was powdered gelignite, a pencil battery and a detonator rigged to explode the gelignite when the envelope was opened. Fortunately, the White House mail room was alert to the possibility that such letters might arrive. The previous June at least eight were sent to British government officials, including Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden. The British police exploded one of these experimentally and said it could kill, or at the very least maim, anyone unlucky enough to open it. The mail room turned the letters over to the Secret Service and they were defused by their bomb experts. The Secret Service still screens all our mail.

    So, Truman got “plata o plomo” alternative. He opted for plata and got money for his election. A suitcase full of cash was delivered to him during campaign (per Gore Vidal).

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    • Replies: @Rehmat
    The so-called "persecuted Jewish minority" wouldn't have succeeded in the creation of a terrorist state in the Islamic heartland without the active support of the powerful Christian Zionist majority - from the notorious Balfour Declaration (1971) to helping European terrorist Jewish militias in ethnic-cleansing of Palestinian Muslims and Christians while occupying their ancestral land with the help of British mandate army.

    Harry Truman was a Zionist Christian himself. "I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism; I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents," President Harry Truman said in 1945.

    Both Secretary of State George C. Marshall and Loy Henderson, director of the State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs, had advised president Harry Truman that partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states was not workable and would lead to untold troubles in the future.....

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/02/22/jewish-museum-bans-truman-israel-discussion/
  3. Trump’s election saved Israel from being responsible for World War III. Israel and Saudi remain responsible for ME genocide and looting. Shame on both.

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    Israel and Saudi remain responsible for ME genocide and looting. Shame on both
     
    Darfuris killed by Sudan 1.2 million
    Papuans killed by Indonesia 550,000
    Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000
    Chechens killed by Russia 150,000
    Western Saharans killed by Morocco 37,000
    PaLiestiniand killed by Israel 22,000
    , @woodNfish
    Muslims killing muslims. Good!
  4. Creating Zionist Israel was a giant historical mistake. Many smart Jews of the time opposed it – Einstein was one of them.

    Why? The reason they opposed it is because they knew, believed, and understood the dark manic nature Jewishness.

    Most US Jews pre-Israel were happy Western thinkers. Most followed Western Christian principles of living.

    Israel changed that – most US Jews have dropped Western values for dart Jewish values. Jew values are unemphatic to the rest of humanity – end of story.

    Here is a Jew, Brother Nathanael, on “Why he left Judaism.” He says it is a religion of death.

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  5. they say that weir is well liked by clay douglas.he is supposed to be a white supreme,there is a mutual admiration.now that trump is runner up the white supremes will have to choose between supporting the arabs or israel.tough choice for a alt right.given there dislike of muslims from the middle east.and yes there are never any racist overtones

    by now everyone knows the “2 state solution is a ploy” including weir and this author plugging her book.jews have more of a historical claim to israel than white americans have to north america yet she refuses to acknoweldge this.but why should she,white is right and black is left.

    israeli politicians have been saying lately that the 2 state solution is dead and so it should be.i support one state with equal rights for all.annexation of the west bank by israel or jordan.gaza to be taken over by egypt and extended into the sinai as a seperate province.that is a democratic and fair outcome

    yet here we have a white supreme and a known anti semite calling for a 2 state solution.when she is neither an arab or a jew and has nothing to lose except profits from selling another tiresome book on …….the middle east….whodunit

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    ... yet here we have a white supreme and a known anti semite...
     
    Can you produce a shred of evidence that supports these libelous charges? I didn't think so.

    Oh, but I almost forgot, she must be an antisemite for working so hard to shine a spotlight on the machinations of The Lobby and the deleterious effects it's having on US national interests.

    If that's your definition of antisemitism, then I guess all American firsters are, by definition, anti-Semites.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    How do you weigh the respective claims of whites in America and Jews in Israel/Palestine so as to be able to say that the Jewish claim is greater?

    In seeking to establish principles for deciding the issue and applying them would you agree that the law's various rules in all systems for limiting the time during which claims can remain valid are useful for guidance? Would you accept that lapse of time is important both to ensure genuine claims are not undermined by delay which makes attempts at pursuing them seem opportunistic and even dishonest but also because after some period of a generation or two the weight of emotion can only be allowed great weight if the subjective judgment of the claimant is allowed to prevail in all its self interested glory? Biblical claims can surely not be compared with actual European occupation of much of America for hundreds of years.

    Of course legal systems generally don't block claims just because of lapse of time where the claimant has been until shortly before making his claim under disability by reason of age or mental capacity, but also where the person claimed against has concealed evidence or otherwise acted unlawfully to thwart the claim. That can see a six year limitation period for example only beginning to run when a claimant comes of age or learns facts which had been witheld from him by his trustee. Against that the policy of the law is that there has to be an end to litigation and claimants have a duty to plush on with their claims rather than let them hang over people in possession. Can you see these principles and analogies applying to the cases you compare, or some and what other principles, and with what conclusions?

    Then there is surely the problem of identity. If some Indian mountain tribesmen with very little DNA in common with Israelis but surprising devotion to the Torah claim to be Jews with sincerity why shouldn't that stack up as evidence no less compelling than the DNA connections with the ME typical of Ashkenazim which are are about what You'ld expect of people who often have Red facial hair and blue eyes?
  6. The Joint Chiefs of Staff opposed partition and expressed the prescient fear that the Zionist aim was to involve the U.S. in their conflict with their Middle East enemies.

    Makes one wonder how much of the current ME madness can be attributed to Israel?

    While Americans, like Flint, MI that there’s no money for infrastructure, Congress gleefully shovels billions and billions each year in free money and billions more in free weapons to that Apartheid nightmare, paid with our money.

    Some say Israel is the 51st of the USA. Wrong, the USA is a colony of Israel, evidenced by the monetary tribute we pay to Israel each year; by the political backing we give them at the UN and by having the corrupt MSM tear into anyone who dare asks legit questions about that ‘special relationship.’

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    "While Americans, like Flint, MI that there’s no money for infrastructure, Congress gleefully shovels billions and billions each year in free money and billions more in free weapons to that Apartheid nightmare, paid with our money."

    To be fair, the uncounted billions would have been directed by the pliant Congress to enrich the big-time profiteers of the Miltary-Industrial-Complex anyway, Israel or not. The "humanitarian" interventionists have no concerns for human lives, whatever race, religious creed, and skin color; see the ongoing debacle in Ukraine. It is apparent that the Ukrainian affair was supposed to produce a "real" civili war with massive casualties, but the Ukrainians/Russians do not want to kill other Ukrainian/Russians in "proper numbers." Some disappointment for the weapon manufactures and other "patriotic" contractors of CEO level.
    The US support for the Ukrainian neo-Nazi is consistent with the US support for "freedom fighters" in the Middle East (9/11 anyone?) Never mind that the main warmongers in the US are of Jewish gene pool; for example, the quarrelsome Kagans' clan has its origin in East European Jewery (despised by the refined German Jews). Eastern Europe is covered with numerous mass graves of Jewish people murdered during Nazi occupation. But one would never guess about this sensitive issue, while looking at the tender relationships between the US Zionists at the State Dept and the Ukrainian neo-Nazis celebrating (openly!) the Nazi collaborator Bandera. Keep in mind that the US (and the obedient NATO) have shamelessly neglected and hissed upon the Russian Victory Parade commemorating the end of the WWII. Depravity to the n-degree.
    "Whom God wants to punish, He takes away his reason."

  7. @utu
    Attack on Truman:

    From letter by Truman's daughter:

    In the summer of 1947, the so-called Stern Gang of Palestine terrorists tried to assassinate Dad by mail. A number of cream-colored envelopes about eight by six inches, arrived in the White House, addressed to the President and various members of the staff. Inside them was a smaller envelope marked “Private and Confidential.” Inside that second envelope was powdered gelignite, a pencil battery and a detonator rigged to explode the gelignite when the envelope was opened. Fortunately, the White House mail room was alert to the possibility that such letters might arrive. The previous June at least eight were sent to British government officials, including Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden. The British police exploded one of these experimentally and said it could kill, or at the very least maim, anyone unlucky enough to open it. The mail room turned the letters over to the Secret Service and they were defused by their bomb experts. The Secret Service still screens all our mail.

    So, Truman got "plata o plomo" alternative. He opted for plata and got money for his election. A suitcase full of cash was delivered to him during campaign (per Gore Vidal).

    The so-called “persecuted Jewish minority” wouldn’t have succeeded in the creation of a terrorist state in the Islamic heartland without the active support of the powerful Christian Zionist majority – from the notorious Balfour Declaration (1971) to helping European terrorist Jewish militias in ethnic-cleansing of Palestinian Muslims and Christians while occupying their ancestral land with the help of British mandate army.

    Harry Truman was a Zionist Christian himself. “I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism; I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents,” President Harry Truman said in 1945.

    Both Secretary of State George C. Marshall and Loy Henderson, director of the State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs, had advised president Harry Truman that partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states was not workable and would lead to untold troubles in the future…..

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/02/22/jewish-museum-bans-truman-israel-discussion/

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    Bad outsourcing again: chronologically rubbish. Surely there are libraries in Islamabad where the kids can look up the Balfour Declaration and when violence started in Palestine after it - and by whom.,
    , @annamaria
    "...partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states was not workable and would lead to untold troubles in the future…"
    It is ironic that the only moral and viable solution for the current state of affairs in Israel would be to absorb the Palestinians and convert Israel into a normal, ethnically diverse yet unified state. The attempt at creating an ethnic state of Israel was an interesting, educational experiment designed by German Romantics of the 19th century (I consciously do not differentiate the ethnicity of designers, since it is the spoken/written language and other aspect of a given civilization that create national identity).
    The Jewish desire to have "their" state has resulted in an enormous problems of sub-Saharan migration and Muslim refugees in the nation-states of European Union. Each of EU states has a sizable Jewish population that has today an education moment in the consequence of Ziocons' policies.
    , @annamaria
    Hitler's Lebensraum was no different from Ben Gurion'-Netanyahu' (and in between) striving for Erez Israel. To justify the unjustifiable, the maniacs relied on mythology, on the necessities of "existential dangers," and on supremacism.
    Interestingly, when Stalin had created a Jewish Autonomous Oblast, the Soviet Jews were very reluctant to move their from the Russian cultural centers.

    "In 1924 the Politburo decided to create a region in Russia for Jews. An initial plan, which had gained considerable support both in Russia and the West was to establish this region in Crimea, but the settlement was switched to Birobidjan because Crimea was already well populated. Boris Bruk, an agricultural scientist led an expedition to Birobidjan to find appropriate locations for establishing Jewish settlements. (J.A.R.) The government set aside 4.5 million hectares of land for them to build on. In April 1928, the first Jewish immigrants arrived under the auspices of KOMZET-Committee for the Settlement of Jewish Toilers on the Land and established the first settlement- Waldheim . By 1930 there were three Jewish schools in 9 mainly Jewish settlements. By 1932 it had developed to the extent that the State Planning Committee ratified the first estimated figures of the economic plan of the Birobidjan region as a separate economic unit. (J.A.R.) and in 1934 Birobidjan was separated from Khabarovsk province and was granted fully autonomous status; (Clarkson 644) and the Crimean project lost its funding and its cause was discouraged.
    Birobidjan had Jewish schools and Jewish newspapers and Jewish theatre and the official language was Yiddish. The main street In the city of Birobidjan is named after famous Yiddish author Shalom Aleichem. The oblast's emblem is an Ussuri tiger on a shield of aquamarine with two turquoise stripes. The stripes represent the two rivers and the tiger is looking at the viewer of the emblem to signify the ”unusual history and original way of the region’s development”. (J.A.R.)
    Despite this rosy picture of progress paraphrased mainly from the Jewish Autonomous Oblast's website, Birobidjan was a pitiful mediocrity, an insincere facsimile of the Jewish settlement in British Palestine."
    http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/221/birobidjan-the-story-of-the-first-jewish-state

  8. American writer, editor, author, and peace activist Alison Weir is founder and executive director of If American Knew, news and commentary website, and president of The council for the National Interest. She writes mostly about Palestine-Israel conflict and America’s drone war on Pakistani civilians.

    Alison Weir like British author Gilad Atzmon is one of the few pro-Palestine activists who are hated by both the pro-Israel Lobby groups and some of the so-called Palestinian Solidarity movement members like the Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP), and the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation. However, lucky for Ms Weir she was not called a “Jew hater” by either of the Jewish organizations, but blamed her for being associated with some of millions of “Jew and Israel haters”.

    “Alison Weir claims that not only does Israel brutalize the Palestinians, but through its intimidation tactics, it corrupts the American political system and prevents criticism of its conduct from being voiced by the mainstream media. As a result, she contends, Americans are kept in the dark about how their taxes fund Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians,” states Jewish supremacist ADL.

    To great dismay of the Zionist and crypto-Zionists, Alison Weir received more support than her accuser ever dreamed off.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/06/17/alison-weir-israel-is-a-major-threat-to-peace/

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  9. @utu
    "Obviously there was no ‘Jewish power’ controlling world affairs, but Weizmann [3] successfully pretended that the Jews were in fact turning the wheels of history. For once, the anti-Semitic image of the Jews proved useful — they were believed to be so maliciously dangerous that one would do best to acquire them as allies rather than as enemies.”[4]"

    So all what we stupid goys must do is just to stop believing that Jews have power and there will be no Jewish power. Will Jews allow us to change that belief? No, they want to keep their power, right?

    First of all, no Jew can make you believe anything.

    Second, for me it is quite obvious that the jewish state was a project by 3 rather suspicious, if not downright criminal groups: a) the western military industrial complex to have an excuse to wage war around the world and to be present in the middle east, b) a small jewish elite with more money than was probably good for them, and c) minority jewish doomsday sects who believe in “helping god” make history.

    As Wolfgang Eggert, German historian, said: Most jews were opposed to “be sent into the desert”. For they had their shops in the Champs-Élysées in Paris or in the best parts of Berlin and were living comfortable lives.

    If you think that elite Jewish organisations speak for all jews than you might as well stop reading UNZ and go to Foreign Affairs because the CFR speaks for all Americans, right?

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    If Jews want to convince us that there is significant Jewish opposition to "the Jewish State" they're going to have to try a LOT harder.

    At this point, we want names, addresses, actionable intelligence........
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I would accept the point you make on your thord par but it only emphasises the glib smart-alecky trivial causes you put forward for the creation of the Zionist entity. Of (c) I know nothing but it sounds wacky and perpheral. Of (a) its glib superficiality needs to be relieved by some statement of your supporting evidence.

    I used to say during the mid to later stages of the Cold War that Israel served well un lieu of an American army in the Middle East but, even if I was right, I can't see it as having a lot to do with the military industrial complex which existed to contrive expensive arms sales - for which the USSR, China and Vietnam were surely enough - and your point about Israel having anything to do with using those weapons around the world or keeping them in the Middle East doesn't stand a moment's thought about the actual events of 1946 to 2017 or the damage done to US relations with ME countries by its support for Israel (not every year for every country but you don't seem to be concerned with detail so I'll leave it there).
  10. Wow, so many good points and valuable information.

    As a German, reading this from Germany, I thank UNZ for keeping this discussion alive. UNZ truely is one of the best online news outlets.

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  11. @mcohen
    they say that weir is well liked by clay douglas.he is supposed to be a white supreme,there is a mutual admiration.now that trump is runner up the white supremes will have to choose between supporting the arabs or israel.tough choice for a alt right.given there dislike of muslims from the middle east.and yes there are never any racist overtones

    by now everyone knows the "2 state solution is a ploy" including weir and this author plugging her book.jews have more of a historical claim to israel than white americans have to north america yet she refuses to acknoweldge this.but why should she,white is right and black is left.

    israeli politicians have been saying lately that the 2 state solution is dead and so it should be.i support one state with equal rights for all.annexation of the west bank by israel or jordan.gaza to be taken over by egypt and extended into the sinai as a seperate province.that is a democratic and fair outcome

    yet here we have a white supreme and a known anti semite calling for a 2 state solution.when she is neither an arab or a jew and has nothing to lose except profits from selling another tiresome book on .......the middle east....whodunit

    … yet here we have a white supreme and a known anti semite…

    Can you produce a shred of evidence that supports these libelous charges? I didn’t think so.

    Oh, but I almost forgot, she must be an antisemite for working so hard to shine a spotlight on the machinations of The Lobby and the deleterious effects it’s having on US national interests.

    If that’s your definition of antisemitism, then I guess all American firsters are, by definition, anti-Semites.

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  12. @mcohen
    they say that weir is well liked by clay douglas.he is supposed to be a white supreme,there is a mutual admiration.now that trump is runner up the white supremes will have to choose between supporting the arabs or israel.tough choice for a alt right.given there dislike of muslims from the middle east.and yes there are never any racist overtones

    by now everyone knows the "2 state solution is a ploy" including weir and this author plugging her book.jews have more of a historical claim to israel than white americans have to north america yet she refuses to acknoweldge this.but why should she,white is right and black is left.

    israeli politicians have been saying lately that the 2 state solution is dead and so it should be.i support one state with equal rights for all.annexation of the west bank by israel or jordan.gaza to be taken over by egypt and extended into the sinai as a seperate province.that is a democratic and fair outcome

    yet here we have a white supreme and a known anti semite calling for a 2 state solution.when she is neither an arab or a jew and has nothing to lose except profits from selling another tiresome book on .......the middle east....whodunit

    How do you weigh the respective claims of whites in America and Jews in Israel/Palestine so as to be able to say that the Jewish claim is greater?

    In seeking to establish principles for deciding the issue and applying them would you agree that the law’s various rules in all systems for limiting the time during which claims can remain valid are useful for guidance? Would you accept that lapse of time is important both to ensure genuine claims are not undermined by delay which makes attempts at pursuing them seem opportunistic and even dishonest but also because after some period of a generation or two the weight of emotion can only be allowed great weight if the subjective judgment of the claimant is allowed to prevail in all its self interested glory? Biblical claims can surely not be compared with actual European occupation of much of America for hundreds of years.

    Of course legal systems generally don’t block claims just because of lapse of time where the claimant has been until shortly before making his claim under disability by reason of age or mental capacity, but also where the person claimed against has concealed evidence or otherwise acted unlawfully to thwart the claim. That can see a six year limitation period for example only beginning to run when a claimant comes of age or learns facts which had been witheld from him by his trustee. Against that the policy of the law is that there has to be an end to litigation and claimants have a duty to plush on with their claims rather than let them hang over people in possession. Can you see these principles and analogies applying to the cases you compare, or some and what other principles, and with what conclusions?

    Then there is surely the problem of identity. If some Indian mountain tribesmen with very little DNA in common with Israelis but surprising devotion to the Torah claim to be Jews with sincerity why shouldn’t that stack up as evidence no less compelling than the DNA connections with the ME typical of Ashkenazim which are are about what You’ld expect of people who often have Red facial hair and blue eyes?

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  13. @geokat62

    ... yet here we have a white supreme and a known anti semite...
     
    Can you produce a shred of evidence that supports these libelous charges? I didn't think so.

    Oh, but I almost forgot, she must be an antisemite for working so hard to shine a spotlight on the machinations of The Lobby and the deleterious effects it's having on US national interests.

    If that's your definition of antisemitism, then I guess all American firsters are, by definition, anti-Semites.

    .,..and Israel Firsters anti-American????

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    Of course. Israel only exists because we play daddy to them and supply them with arms and money to destabilize the middle east for Greater Israel.
    , @geokat62

    ... and Israel Firsters anti-American????
     
    Hey, Wiz. Have you read this article, ‘NY Jewish Week’ speaks bluntly of ‘Israel firsters’ in US politics, by Philip Weiss?

    Here are a few excerpts:

    It’s good that American Jews will begin openly saying of other Jews that their first loyalty is Israel. It makes such a stance untenable: it will make it impossible for people who act on “what they believe is best for Israel” to hold high position in foreign policy-making in the U.S. government.

    Talking about dual loyalty was verboten for a good 30 years, ever since Gore Vidal attacked the Podhoretzes for dual loyalty in the Nation, and the scorn turned on Vidal; and the charge was said to be an anti-Semitic canard about the international Jew. (Scott McConnell treats that story in his new book Ex-Neocon). But the problem still exists; the existence of Israel Firsters was an important factor in the drive to go to war in Iraq, and in opposition to the Iran deal; and in order to fight that crowd, you have to be able to state publicly what they’re up to. A great number of American Jews have pointed out the dual loyalty problem, from Rabbi Melissa Weintraub to Peter Beinart to John Judis to Eric Alterman (list here). Last year Chuck Schumer told a Jewish audience there was a difference between American interests and Jewish interests over the Iran deal, and he had to back the American interest, and then he voted against the deal, and some charged dual loyalty. Of course the issue is inherent in the rise of the neoconservatives, as both Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol said in the 1970s that there was a “Jewish interest” (Kristol’s words) in the U.S. having a big defense budget so that it could help Israel. Some of those advocates became White House aides. Elliott Abrams said that Jews must stand apart from any society they are in except Israel, and he helped make US Middle East policy. And just last month Dennis Ross, the longtime peace processor, told a New York Jewish audience in what was presented as an off-the-record discussion that American Jews “need to be advocates for Israel” and not for Palestinians.

    So it’s good an American Jewish publication is acknowledging the question. Maybe we can have a mature conversation about the true agenda of many advocates in the Israel lobby at last. Maybe Dennis Ross won’t be considered to be the next secretary of state.

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/#sthash.BxjBl176.dpuf

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/
     
    So, Wiz, what do you think of the saying - No one can serve two masters - do you agree with or disagree with it?
  14. @Rehmat
    The so-called "persecuted Jewish minority" wouldn't have succeeded in the creation of a terrorist state in the Islamic heartland without the active support of the powerful Christian Zionist majority - from the notorious Balfour Declaration (1971) to helping European terrorist Jewish militias in ethnic-cleansing of Palestinian Muslims and Christians while occupying their ancestral land with the help of British mandate army.

    Harry Truman was a Zionist Christian himself. "I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism; I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents," President Harry Truman said in 1945.

    Both Secretary of State George C. Marshall and Loy Henderson, director of the State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs, had advised president Harry Truman that partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states was not workable and would lead to untold troubles in the future.....

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/02/22/jewish-museum-bans-truman-israel-discussion/

    Bad outsourcing again: chronologically rubbish. Surely there are libraries in Islamabad where the kids can look up the Balfour Declaration and when violence started in Palestine after it – and by whom.,

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  15. Militant ethnocentric maniacs exist everywhere; and especially in central and eastern Europe: Nazis, Chetniks, Ustashas, Arrow Cross (or ‘Jobbik’, these days), Banderites, enthusiasts of Romania Mare, and what-not. The Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People is a relatively new one. Isis. Zionism is one of those too. Details of their politics are fascinating, I’m sure, but it’s really the same basic idea, every time. I think it’s much more interesting to analyze how and by whom they are used; what geopolitical forces are at play…

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    It's great that you name Chetniks immediately after Nazis, them being responsible for maybe 50000-100000 deaths in WW2, mainly in retaliation to Ustasha genocide. Yes, such dark place that eastern Europe, all the while western Europe colonized entire world not with guns, genocide, enslavement, forced starvation and pumping drugs into countries that didn't want them but with flowers and shiny bells.
  16. Moshe you may be surprised to know that many libraries in Pakistan carries Urdu translation of not only the Balfour Declaration but also the masterpiece The Protocols of the Elder of Zion…..

    In February 2016, the award winning Israeli journalist and human rights activist, Amira Hass irked her Tribe by invoking the authenticity of ‘The Protocols of Zion’ claiming that Elders of Zion plotted to occupy historic Palestine – once a Muslim-majority country.

    Amira Hass, a columnist at Israel’s top English newspaper Ha’aretz, is the only Jewish columnist who has lived in the occupied Gaza and West Bank for the last 23 years. She drew wrath of British Jewish Lobby after her 45-minute speech, entitled, Israel and Palestinians: Colonialism and Prospect for Justice, at the University of Kent, London on January 28, 2016….

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/02/03/the-protocols-of-zion-are-alive-and-well/

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  17. So Jews are rich and smart and powerful and organized and determined?

    Sounds good to me!

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    • Replies: @Art

    So Jews are rich and smart and powerful and organized and determined?

    Sounds good to me!
     
    So Jews are greedy, dishonest, malicious, tribal, hateful liars.

    Sounds truthful to me!

    p.s. Say Sherm - as a Jew, have you ever wondered what it would be like to love humanity?

    p.s. Hmm - dumb question - loving humanity requires a certain bigness of character.
    , @Rehmat
    Nope Sharon - you need to read Jewish brothers of yours such as Gilad atzmon, Roger Tucker, Paul eisen, Steve Lendman, etc. to find out how evil you people are.


    “Judaism is NOT a religion of peace? Christianity and Islam are indeed religions of peace – in their official ideology that is, though by no means always in practice – but Judaism doesn’t even make such a claim. You only have to look at our religious texts to know that," said Eisen....

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/03/10/paul-eisen-judaism-is-not-religion-of-peace/
  18. Only 15 comments so far at 8:30am Central.

    As all polities are founded on a crime as Montesquiou pointed out, the sin of Israel is to having done the crime in recent historical times. ALL ALL ALL polities have replaced the indigenous inhabitants of everwhere since the beginning of human civilization, killing the men or reducing them to chattel slavery and marrying their women (sometimes). Happily for many countries that happened a long time ago. No one faults the Danes for having displaced and killed off whoever was living there. And so on and so on for EVERY EVERY EVERY nation that exists now or ever existed. Since the crime of Israel was done when it was (1948), when they had to fight to exist as a polity or nation, and the opportunity arose to run as many Arabs out of their part of Palestine assigned to them by the UN in Nov. 1947, Ben Gurion took it, for reasons of state. Raison d’etat is a legalism justifying doing stuff for the sake of the state. Compared to the settlement of the US and ye olde redskins, the Israelis did not attempt to exterminate Palestinian Arabs then in 1948 and certainly not afterwards. For those who do not know, it was the 1967 war with Egypt and Syria, that put the Israelis in the West Bank and religious jews read the surprising victory as a message from their god.

    The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim. I know that because i have known jews who weren’t like that ;-).

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    • Replies: @Pandos
    Oh! Everybody does it. Got it. So you won't mind when the Muslims exterminate every Jew in Israel. ;-) Can I use the playground swing now?
    , @RaceRealist88
    "The innate low intellectual capacity of American blacks is clearly a false claim. I know that because I know blacks who weren't like that. ;-)"

    What you said doesn't make too much logical sense, now does it?

    , @Talha
    If I may...

    the sin of Israel is to having done the crime in recent historical times
     
    Correct - post UN to be exact, when nations got together and shook hands that the law of the jungle should no longer prevail in international relations.

    ALL ALL ALL polities have replaced the indigenous inhabitants of everwhere since the beginning of human civilization, killing the men or reducing them to chattel slavery and marrying their women (sometimes).
     
    Daesh operates on this level - let's hear no more whining about them being monsters please.

    As Pandos stated - let's have coherence here; if Israel was founded (post-UN) on such behavior, they can't well whine about others pushing them to the sea or forcing them to relocate when they are militarily capable. Then it is no longer a question on the moral level, simply who has the means - thus, a reversion to the law of the jungle.

    The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim.
     
    Agreed - there are wonderful examples of Jewish people and horrific ones.

    Peace.
    , @Art
    Israelis did not attempt to exterminate Palestinian Arabs then in 1948 and certainly not afterwards.

    and certainly not afterwards. - please - that is totally bogus.

    The Zionists do not eliminate Palestine today, only because the world would not stand for it.

    The Zionist Jews are even working to eliminate the word "Palestine" from human consciousness.

    Why do the Jews require so many lies to back their agenda?

    Of course because what they want, is by 21 century standards so evil.

    Their ancient Jewish dark maniacal word warring ways are unacceptable today.

    The world wants something better - we live by truth - we want peace.

    , @Renfro
    '' The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim. I know that because i have known jews who weren’t like that ;-).

    The innate malfeasance is in Israeli *Zionism. And in the US *Zionist.
    One cannot look at the Zionist supporters of Israel who live in the US and promote diversity 'and pluralism and separation of church and state here--- and not see the ' criminal hypocrisy in demanding the exact opposite for Israel.
  19. 1945 Feb 14- King Ibn Saud to President Roosevelt on board Quincy “there been no conflicts between the two branches of the Semitic race in the Middle East. What had changed the whole picture was the immigration from Eastern Europe of people who were technically and culturally on a higher level than the Arabs,as a result Arabs had greater difficulty in surviving economically. The fact that these energetic Europeans were Jewish was not the cause of the trouble ,it was their superior skills and culture”

    Roosevelt quoted Churchill as a solution that the Jews be settled in Libya. Ibn Saud rejected it .

    Roosevelt assured Ibn Saud that ” he would do noting to assist Jews against the Arabs and would make no move hostile to the Arab people’,nor would his government change in its policy in Palestine without full and prior consultation with both Jews and Arabs’
    Page 233 Churchill and the Jews by Martin Gilbert .
    Only a week before his death,he wrote to Inb Saud reaffirming his position that nothing would be done that was hostile to Arab people – page 234

    —we can say that

    Roosevelt’s promise or unwritten treaty was broken by successor . That promise anchored 70 yrs Saudi USA relationships but it was not honored by US .
    Antisemitsm was not a feature of Palestine or Saudi Arab It was about land and economy

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  20. Don’t forget your Muslim problem. First things first.

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    • Replies: @schmenz
    We haven't. We are talking now about the people who created the "Muslim problem".
    , @Talha
    I love it when Zionism is brought up!

    One of my favorite canned responses is - "Look over there - Muslims! Good God man - they're eating halal meat - Shariah is here!!! Save the children!" LOL!

    Peace.
    , @bunga
    "The combination of changes in the United States, in Europe and in the region provide Israel with a unique opportunity to reset and rethink everything,” Naftali Bennett, Israel’s education minister and the leader of the pro-settlement Jewish Home party, told a gathering of the Foreign Press Association in Jerusalem on Monday.

    Mr. Bennett, who advocates annexing 60 percent of the occupied West Bank to Israel, exulted on the morning after Donald J. Trump’s victory: “The era of a Palestinian state is over.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/world/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-trump-palestinian-settlements.html?_r=0

    It is why it makes good sense to create " The combination of changes in the United States, in Europe "
  21. Anyone who is interested in this subject should also read the last 10 chapters of Douglas Reed’s book, the Controversy of Zion. The book is available online.

    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/index.htm

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  22. Would someone send this article to Donald Trump?

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    • Replies: @moi
    Why? He gets all his information from watching TV.
  23. One of the key elements of getting U.S. involved in WWI was the organized campaign of hatred orchestrated by the Wilson administration against all things German, including U.S. citizens of German heritage.

    To the best of my knowledge, no other ethnic group has been the target of such a campaign.
    Ironically, this was at the time, and until very recently, the largest single ethnic group in the U.S.

    This odious chapter in U.S. history is generally not part of the school curriculum in the U.S.

    Fortunately, thanks to the World Wide Web, the information is out there, for those who wish to investigate.

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    • Replies: @utu
    " hatred orchestrated by the Wilson administration against all things German" - Yes, the liberty cabbage a precursor of freedom fries. The proof of invariance of American stupidity.

    German communities under the pressure totally caved in. Compare pictures of Cincinnati or St. Paul before WWI and after WWII. Look at street signs and store names. As if there was an ethnic cleansing. (I do not think that Italians would cave in that easily but who knows, it is hard to speculate.) Anyway, German-Americans never recovered from this pogrom. The foreshadowing of this pogrom occurred in NYC when PS Gen. Slocum burned on East River in 1904 killing over 1000 German Lutheran children form NYC. The German community in Manhattan died with it. Some churches ended up being converted to synagogues. Jews replaced Germans as the top togs in NYC. After WWI on the anti-German wave (and anti-Catholic) the prohibition was enacted.
  24. @anonymouse
    Only 15 comments so far at 8:30am Central.

    As all polities are founded on a crime as Montesquiou pointed out, the sin of Israel is to having done the crime in recent historical times. ALL ALL ALL polities have replaced the indigenous inhabitants of everwhere since the beginning of human civilization, killing the men or reducing them to chattel slavery and marrying their women (sometimes). Happily for many countries that happened a long time ago. No one faults the Danes for having displaced and killed off whoever was living there. And so on and so on for EVERY EVERY EVERY nation that exists now or ever existed. Since the crime of Israel was done when it was (1948), when they had to fight to exist as a polity or nation, and the opportunity arose to run as many Arabs out of their part of Palestine assigned to them by the UN in Nov. 1947, Ben Gurion took it, for reasons of state. Raison d'etat is a legalism justifying doing stuff for the sake of the state. Compared to the settlement of the US and ye olde redskins, the Israelis did not attempt to exterminate Palestinian Arabs then in 1948 and certainly not afterwards. For those who do not know, it was the 1967 war with Egypt and Syria, that put the Israelis in the West Bank and religious jews read the surprising victory as a message from their god.

    The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim. I know that because i have known jews who weren't like that ;-).

    Oh! Everybody does it. Got it. So you won’t mind when the Muslims exterminate every Jew in Israel. ;-) Can I use the playground swing now?

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  25. @Sharia Law
    Don't forget your Muslim problem. First things first.

    We haven’t. We are talking now about the people who created the “Muslim problem”.

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    • Replies: @RaceRealist88
    This so much. The people who cry "don't forget about the Muslims" are quick to forget that Muslims are only a problem due to Jewish influence and without the Jewish influence they wouldn't be a problem in our countries.
  26. @turtle
    One of the key elements of getting U.S. involved in WWI was the organized campaign of hatred orchestrated by the Wilson administration against all things German, including U.S. citizens of German heritage.

    To the best of my knowledge, no other ethnic group has been the target of such a campaign.
    Ironically, this was at the time, and until very recently, the largest single ethnic group in the U.S.

    This odious chapter in U.S. history is generally not part of the school curriculum in the U.S.

    Fortunately, thanks to the World Wide Web, the information is out there, for those who wish to investigate.

    ” hatred orchestrated by the Wilson administration against all things German” – Yes, the liberty cabbage a precursor of freedom fries. The proof of invariance of American stupidity.

    German communities under the pressure totally caved in. Compare pictures of Cincinnati or St. Paul before WWI and after WWII. Look at street signs and store names. As if there was an ethnic cleansing. (I do not think that Italians would cave in that easily but who knows, it is hard to speculate.) Anyway, German-Americans never recovered from this pogrom. The foreshadowing of this pogrom occurred in NYC when PS Gen. Slocum burned on East River in 1904 killing over 1000 German Lutheran children form NYC. The German community in Manhattan died with it. Some churches ended up being converted to synagogues. Jews replaced Germans as the top togs in NYC. After WWI on the anti-German wave (and anti-Catholic) the prohibition was enacted.

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    • Replies: @Sherman
    The German community in Manhattan did not "die" after the General Slocum disaster.

    It simply moved uptown to the Upper East Side. The German community of the UES was large and thrived and was regarded as the capital of German America. Much of this community, however, left the area as part of the "white flight" of the 1970s.

    However, to this day there are old-time German restaurants, bakeries and churches in the area. They even have a German-American cultural parade every October.

    There was never a "pogrom" against Germans in NYC.
  27. @utu
    " hatred orchestrated by the Wilson administration against all things German" - Yes, the liberty cabbage a precursor of freedom fries. The proof of invariance of American stupidity.

    German communities under the pressure totally caved in. Compare pictures of Cincinnati or St. Paul before WWI and after WWII. Look at street signs and store names. As if there was an ethnic cleansing. (I do not think that Italians would cave in that easily but who knows, it is hard to speculate.) Anyway, German-Americans never recovered from this pogrom. The foreshadowing of this pogrom occurred in NYC when PS Gen. Slocum burned on East River in 1904 killing over 1000 German Lutheran children form NYC. The German community in Manhattan died with it. Some churches ended up being converted to synagogues. Jews replaced Germans as the top togs in NYC. After WWI on the anti-German wave (and anti-Catholic) the prohibition was enacted.

    The German community in Manhattan did not “die” after the General Slocum disaster.

    It simply moved uptown to the Upper East Side. The German community of the UES was large and thrived and was regarded as the capital of German America. Much of this community, however, left the area as part of the “white flight” of the 1970s.

    However, to this day there are old-time German restaurants, bakeries and churches in the area. They even have a German-American cultural parade every October.

    There was never a “pogrom” against Germans in NYC.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Your PC version of American history is boring and more importantly cannot capture and explain deeper trends, shifts and undercurrents. I think you really do not understand and never tried to.

    As a part of American melting pot a special crucible was prepared for Germans on the occasion of the WWI. In that crucible they were melted at much higher temperatures than other ethnic groups so their German ethnicity was totally annihilated. This was foreshadowed by PS Slocum tragedy 10 years prior to the WWI in which 1000 German children were killed in New York City causing the total collapse of German community. It is very uncanny, creepy...
  28. @Greg Bacon

    The Joint Chiefs of Staff opposed partition and expressed the prescient fear that the Zionist aim was to involve the U.S. in their conflict with their Middle East enemies.
     
    Makes one wonder how much of the current ME madness can be attributed to Israel?

    While Americans, like Flint, MI that there's no money for infrastructure, Congress gleefully shovels billions and billions each year in free money and billions more in free weapons to that Apartheid nightmare, paid with our money.

    Some say Israel is the 51st of the USA. Wrong, the USA is a colony of Israel, evidenced by the monetary tribute we pay to Israel each year; by the political backing we give them at the UN and by having the corrupt MSM tear into anyone who dare asks legit questions about that 'special relationship.'

    “While Americans, like Flint, MI that there’s no money for infrastructure, Congress gleefully shovels billions and billions each year in free money and billions more in free weapons to that Apartheid nightmare, paid with our money.”

    To be fair, the uncounted billions would have been directed by the pliant Congress to enrich the big-time profiteers of the Miltary-Industrial-Complex anyway, Israel or not. The “humanitarian” interventionists have no concerns for human lives, whatever race, religious creed, and skin color; see the ongoing debacle in Ukraine. It is apparent that the Ukrainian affair was supposed to produce a “real” civili war with massive casualties, but the Ukrainians/Russians do not want to kill other Ukrainian/Russians in “proper numbers.” Some disappointment for the weapon manufactures and other “patriotic” contractors of CEO level.
    The US support for the Ukrainian neo-Nazi is consistent with the US support for “freedom fighters” in the Middle East (9/11 anyone?) Never mind that the main warmongers in the US are of Jewish gene pool; for example, the quarrelsome Kagans’ clan has its origin in East European Jewery (despised by the refined German Jews). Eastern Europe is covered with numerous mass graves of Jewish people murdered during Nazi occupation. But one would never guess about this sensitive issue, while looking at the tender relationships between the US Zionists at the State Dept and the Ukrainian neo-Nazis celebrating (openly!) the Nazi collaborator Bandera. Keep in mind that the US (and the obedient NATO) have shamelessly neglected and hissed upon the Russian Victory Parade commemorating the end of the WWII. Depravity to the n-degree.
    “Whom God wants to punish, He takes away his reason.”

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  29. @Sharia Law
    Don't forget your Muslim problem. First things first.

    I love it when Zionism is brought up!

    One of my favorite canned responses is – “Look over there – Muslims! Good God man – they’re eating halal meat – Shariah is here!!! Save the children!” LOL!

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    Yeah that's the chief problem everyone has with Muslim settlement: halal meat, and this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

    Save the children indeed.

    But of course, it woz the Jews what made you do it, just like they make you wage war in Chechnya, the Sudan, Kashmir, Nigeria, Xinjiang, Cote D'Ivoire, Bosnia, Kosovo and, oh look, absolutely everywhere you are close in proximity to any other group of people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

    Save the Children. LOLZ. Aren't you funny.
    , @Ace
    How about this as a minor amendment to your canned response:

    Good God man – they're hideous savages whose blood lust cannot be sated. They burn prisoners alive in cages, behead people as a religious pastime, traffic in slaves, turn swimming pools and gardens into latrines, infest Western countries as parasites, and live for the day they can shove their shariah filth down the throats of the dhimmis.
     
    I think this is a big improvement, don't you?
  30. @Wizard of Oz
    .,..and Israel Firsters anti-American????

    Of course. Israel only exists because we play daddy to them and supply them with arms and money to destabilize the middle east for Greater Israel.

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  31. @schmenz
    We haven't. We are talking now about the people who created the "Muslim problem".

    This so much. The people who cry “don’t forget about the Muslims” are quick to forget that Muslims are only a problem due to Jewish influence and without the Jewish influence they wouldn’t be a problem in our countries.

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  32. @Sherman
    The German community in Manhattan did not "die" after the General Slocum disaster.

    It simply moved uptown to the Upper East Side. The German community of the UES was large and thrived and was regarded as the capital of German America. Much of this community, however, left the area as part of the "white flight" of the 1970s.

    However, to this day there are old-time German restaurants, bakeries and churches in the area. They even have a German-American cultural parade every October.

    There was never a "pogrom" against Germans in NYC.

    Your PC version of American history is boring and more importantly cannot capture and explain deeper trends, shifts and undercurrents. I think you really do not understand and never tried to.

    As a part of American melting pot a special crucible was prepared for Germans on the occasion of the WWI. In that crucible they were melted at much higher temperatures than other ethnic groups so their German ethnicity was totally annihilated. This was foreshadowed by PS Slocum tragedy 10 years prior to the WWI in which 1000 German children were killed in New York City causing the total collapse of German community. It is very uncanny, creepy…

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  33. @anonymouse
    Only 15 comments so far at 8:30am Central.

    As all polities are founded on a crime as Montesquiou pointed out, the sin of Israel is to having done the crime in recent historical times. ALL ALL ALL polities have replaced the indigenous inhabitants of everwhere since the beginning of human civilization, killing the men or reducing them to chattel slavery and marrying their women (sometimes). Happily for many countries that happened a long time ago. No one faults the Danes for having displaced and killed off whoever was living there. And so on and so on for EVERY EVERY EVERY nation that exists now or ever existed. Since the crime of Israel was done when it was (1948), when they had to fight to exist as a polity or nation, and the opportunity arose to run as many Arabs out of their part of Palestine assigned to them by the UN in Nov. 1947, Ben Gurion took it, for reasons of state. Raison d'etat is a legalism justifying doing stuff for the sake of the state. Compared to the settlement of the US and ye olde redskins, the Israelis did not attempt to exterminate Palestinian Arabs then in 1948 and certainly not afterwards. For those who do not know, it was the 1967 war with Egypt and Syria, that put the Israelis in the West Bank and religious jews read the surprising victory as a message from their god.

    The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim. I know that because i have known jews who weren't like that ;-).

    “The innate low intellectual capacity of American blacks is clearly a false claim. I know that because I know blacks who weren’t like that. ;-)”

    What you said doesn’t make too much logical sense, now does it?

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  34. @anonymouse
    Only 15 comments so far at 8:30am Central.

    As all polities are founded on a crime as Montesquiou pointed out, the sin of Israel is to having done the crime in recent historical times. ALL ALL ALL polities have replaced the indigenous inhabitants of everwhere since the beginning of human civilization, killing the men or reducing them to chattel slavery and marrying their women (sometimes). Happily for many countries that happened a long time ago. No one faults the Danes for having displaced and killed off whoever was living there. And so on and so on for EVERY EVERY EVERY nation that exists now or ever existed. Since the crime of Israel was done when it was (1948), when they had to fight to exist as a polity or nation, and the opportunity arose to run as many Arabs out of their part of Palestine assigned to them by the UN in Nov. 1947, Ben Gurion took it, for reasons of state. Raison d'etat is a legalism justifying doing stuff for the sake of the state. Compared to the settlement of the US and ye olde redskins, the Israelis did not attempt to exterminate Palestinian Arabs then in 1948 and certainly not afterwards. For those who do not know, it was the 1967 war with Egypt and Syria, that put the Israelis in the West Bank and religious jews read the surprising victory as a message from their god.

    The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim. I know that because i have known jews who weren't like that ;-).

    If I may…

    the sin of Israel is to having done the crime in recent historical times

    Correct – post UN to be exact, when nations got together and shook hands that the law of the jungle should no longer prevail in international relations.

    ALL ALL ALL polities have replaced the indigenous inhabitants of everwhere since the beginning of human civilization, killing the men or reducing them to chattel slavery and marrying their women (sometimes).

    Daesh operates on this level – let’s hear no more whining about them being monsters please.

    As Pandos stated – let’s have coherence here; if Israel was founded (post-UN) on such behavior, they can’t well whine about others pushing them to the sea or forcing them to relocate when they are militarily capable. Then it is no longer a question on the moral level, simply who has the means – thus, a reversion to the law of the jungle.

    The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim.

    Agreed – there are wonderful examples of Jewish people and horrific ones.

    Peace.

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    @Pandos
    Trump's election saved Israel from being responsible for World War III. Israel and Saudi remain responsible for ME genocide and looting. Shame on both.

    Israel and Saudi remain responsible for ME genocide and looting. Shame on both

    Darfuris killed by Sudan 1.2 million
    Papuans killed by Indonesia 550,000
    Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000
    Chechens killed by Russia 150,000
    Western Saharans killed by Morocco 37,000
    PaLiestiniand killed by Israel 22,000

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    • Replies: @Talha
    He said 'ME'...so...

    Darfuris killed by Sudan 1.2 million
    Papuans killed by Indonesia 550,000
    Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000
    Chechens killed by Russia 150,000
    Western Saharans killed by Morocco 37,000
    Paliestinians killed by Israel 22,000

    If you think Syria has nothing to do with Israel and Saudi policies, please go sell your wares elsewhere - people here are too smart for this nonsense.

    Peace.

  36. @Mao Cheng Ji
    Militant ethnocentric maniacs exist everywhere; and especially in central and eastern Europe: Nazis, Chetniks, Ustashas, Arrow Cross (or 'Jobbik', these days), Banderites, enthusiasts of Romania Mare, and what-not. The Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People is a relatively new one. Isis. Zionism is one of those too. Details of their politics are fascinating, I'm sure, but it's really the same basic idea, every time. I think it's much more interesting to analyze how and by whom they are used; what geopolitical forces are at play...

    It’s great that you name Chetniks immediately after Nazis, them being responsible for maybe 50000-100000 deaths in WW2, mainly in retaliation to Ustasha genocide. Yes, such dark place that eastern Europe, all the while western Europe colonized entire world not with guns, genocide, enslavement, forced starvation and pumping drugs into countries that didn’t want them but with flowers and shiny bells.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    Fail point, and sorry about the Chetniks. Nothing against the Chetniks.

    But I'm not saying that the ethnocentric disease, spreading mostly among smaller groups with complicated ups and downs in their history (or in their nationalist narratives and myths at least), is a particularly horrible phenomenon. I completely agree that western empires are much, much worse.

    In fact, that's pretty much what I said. Look carefully into any of those, and you'll always (or almost always) find some imperial sponsor inflaming, arming, and using it, as a pawn in a large-scale geopolitical game...
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I think your reference to "western Europe" suggests you have overlooked some of the major differences between say Imperial China and the small European countries with their competition in everything including religion and civil rights. So you overgeneralise. The differences had much to do with the making of the modern world for good - say emancipation of slaves and hugely increased longevity - and evil such as the scale of mass slaughter.
  37. @Rehmat
    The so-called "persecuted Jewish minority" wouldn't have succeeded in the creation of a terrorist state in the Islamic heartland without the active support of the powerful Christian Zionist majority - from the notorious Balfour Declaration (1971) to helping European terrorist Jewish militias in ethnic-cleansing of Palestinian Muslims and Christians while occupying their ancestral land with the help of British mandate army.

    Harry Truman was a Zionist Christian himself. "I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism; I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents," President Harry Truman said in 1945.

    Both Secretary of State George C. Marshall and Loy Henderson, director of the State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs, had advised president Harry Truman that partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states was not workable and would lead to untold troubles in the future.....

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/02/22/jewish-museum-bans-truman-israel-discussion/

    “…partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states was not workable and would lead to untold troubles in the future…”
    It is ironic that the only moral and viable solution for the current state of affairs in Israel would be to absorb the Palestinians and convert Israel into a normal, ethnically diverse yet unified state. The attempt at creating an ethnic state of Israel was an interesting, educational experiment designed by German Romantics of the 19th century (I consciously do not differentiate the ethnicity of designers, since it is the spoken/written language and other aspect of a given civilization that create national identity).
    The Jewish desire to have “their” state has resulted in an enormous problems of sub-Saharan migration and Muslim refugees in the nation-states of European Union. Each of EU states has a sizable Jewish population that has today an education moment in the consequence of Ziocons’ policies.

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  38. @Talha
    I love it when Zionism is brought up!

    One of my favorite canned responses is - "Look over there - Muslims! Good God man - they're eating halal meat - Shariah is here!!! Save the children!" LOL!

    Peace.

    Yeah that’s the chief problem everyone has with Muslim settlement: halal meat, and this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

    Save the children indeed.

    But of course, it woz the Jews what made you do it, just like they make you wage war in Chechnya, the Sudan, Kashmir, Nigeria, Xinjiang, Cote D’Ivoire, Bosnia, Kosovo and, oh look, absolutely everywhere you are close in proximity to any other group of people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

    Save the Children. LOLZ. Aren’t you funny.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Gabriel,

    Rotherham was a complete and utter moral failure on the part of Muslim community in Britain. It was despicable and those men deserve what the law throws at them.

    Jews don't make us do anything - we're morally responsible for our own actions. We've generally had fairly stable historic relations with Jews - usually providing them rights to immigrate and settle down during times when they get kicked out of Europe. Jews rarely had the kind of influence at the apex of our societies like they did in European societies - so the whole 'scheming Jew controlling the world' topic for us is a fairly recent obsession.


    Chechnya, the Sudan, Kashmir, Nigeria, Xinjiang, Cote D’Ivoire, Bosnia, Kosovo
     
    Uh yeah - like Muslims had no right to take up arms in any of those conflicts. In some of those, Muslims are clearly the aggressor. In others, well...if you don't want military-age Russian males coming home in body bags, don't send them into Chechnya with rifles.

    For the record, I believe Beslan was the most horrific terrorist action ever to take place because it was a deliberate targeting of children - utterly deplorable.

    Now - back to the topic at hand; don't pay attention to the Zionists completely at the helm of US foreign policy because some Muslims have polygamous marriages in inner-city Philly - oh the humanity!!!

    Peace.

    , @Rehmat
    By using Israeli filth Wikipedia - you keep on proving that you're as much a shameless liar as Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, daughter of UK's paedophile Holohoaxer Lord Janner.

    On August 28, 2016 Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner daughter of notorious British paedophile Lord Greville Janner requested that the allegations against her father be moved to the Civil Court where proceedings have been issued and where they can be thoroughly tested and disproven.

    More than 30 people have made claims against Lord Janner over alleged sexual abuse offences between 1955 and 1988. Lawyers for the alleged victims say their clients have been waiting years for justice.

    Last December, British Jewish media claimed that Lord Janner died after a long illness before his court appearance on charges of sexual abuse of several orphan Jewish children. However, several British bloggers claimed that Lord Janner faked his death in order to escape justice....

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/08/29/rabbi-laura-defends-her-paedophile-father-janner/
  39. @anon

    Israel and Saudi remain responsible for ME genocide and looting. Shame on both
     
    Darfuris killed by Sudan 1.2 million
    Papuans killed by Indonesia 550,000
    Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000
    Chechens killed by Russia 150,000
    Western Saharans killed by Morocco 37,000
    PaLiestiniand killed by Israel 22,000

    He said ‘ME’…so…

    Darfuris killed by Sudan 1.2 million
    Papuans killed by Indonesia 550,000
    Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000
    Chechens killed by Russia 150,000
    Western Saharans killed by Morocco 37,000
    Paliestinians killed by Israel 22,000

    If you think Syria has nothing to do with Israel and Saudi policies, please go sell your wares elsewhere – people here are too smart for this nonsense.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    The Jews make you kill each other. That's your apologetic. So we're left with two options:

    (1) You are actually so dumb that Jews can simply manipulate you into slaughtering each other
    (2) You are so dumb that the best excuse you can come up with for killing each other like savages is that the Jews made you do it.
    , @Avery
    {Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000}

    Yo, Talha:

    I know you know better, so why repeat the bogus Neocon/MSM claim that Syrian government has killed all the Syrians killed so far?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

    Yes, I know Wiki is not always a reliable source for controversial subjects, but the claim of 400K Syrians having been killed by the Syrian gov - and only the Syrian gov - is bogus on its face: you mean in 5 years of this civil war terrorists have not killed and murdered anyone in Syria?
    Absurd.
    , @anon
    B.Assads father was up to similar tricks in the early 80's when he gave a preview of things to come , killing more Muslims in Hama in one month than Israel has killed in the entirety of the Israel Palestinian conflict. Are you a buyer now ?
  40. @Wizard of Oz
    How do you weigh the respective claims of whites in America and Jews in Israel/Palestine so as to be able to say that the Jewish claim is greater?

    In seeking to establish principles for deciding the issue and applying them would you agree that the law's various rules in all systems for limiting the time during which claims can remain valid are useful for guidance? Would you accept that lapse of time is important both to ensure genuine claims are not undermined by delay which makes attempts at pursuing them seem opportunistic and even dishonest but also because after some period of a generation or two the weight of emotion can only be allowed great weight if the subjective judgment of the claimant is allowed to prevail in all its self interested glory? Biblical claims can surely not be compared with actual European occupation of much of America for hundreds of years.

    Of course legal systems generally don't block claims just because of lapse of time where the claimant has been until shortly before making his claim under disability by reason of age or mental capacity, but also where the person claimed against has concealed evidence or otherwise acted unlawfully to thwart the claim. That can see a six year limitation period for example only beginning to run when a claimant comes of age or learns facts which had been witheld from him by his trustee. Against that the policy of the law is that there has to be an end to litigation and claimants have a duty to plush on with their claims rather than let them hang over people in possession. Can you see these principles and analogies applying to the cases you compare, or some and what other principles, and with what conclusions?

    Then there is surely the problem of identity. If some Indian mountain tribesmen with very little DNA in common with Israelis but surprising devotion to the Torah claim to be Jews with sincerity why shouldn't that stack up as evidence no less compelling than the DNA connections with the ME typical of Ashkenazim which are are about what You'ld expect of people who often have Red facial hair and blue eyes?

    quite left.3 blahs.4/10.due to lack of dna

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  41. @Rehmat
    The so-called "persecuted Jewish minority" wouldn't have succeeded in the creation of a terrorist state in the Islamic heartland without the active support of the powerful Christian Zionist majority - from the notorious Balfour Declaration (1971) to helping European terrorist Jewish militias in ethnic-cleansing of Palestinian Muslims and Christians while occupying their ancestral land with the help of British mandate army.

    Harry Truman was a Zionist Christian himself. "I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism; I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents," President Harry Truman said in 1945.

    Both Secretary of State George C. Marshall and Loy Henderson, director of the State Department’s Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs, had advised president Harry Truman that partition of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states was not workable and would lead to untold troubles in the future.....

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/02/22/jewish-museum-bans-truman-israel-discussion/

    Hitler’s Lebensraum was no different from Ben Gurion’-Netanyahu’ (and in between) striving for Erez Israel. To justify the unjustifiable, the maniacs relied on mythology, on the necessities of “existential dangers,” and on supremacism.
    Interestingly, when Stalin had created a Jewish Autonomous Oblast, the Soviet Jews were very reluctant to move their from the Russian cultural centers.

    “In 1924 the Politburo decided to create a region in Russia for Jews. An initial plan, which had gained considerable support both in Russia and the West was to establish this region in Crimea, but the settlement was switched to Birobidjan because Crimea was already well populated. Boris Bruk, an agricultural scientist led an expedition to Birobidjan to find appropriate locations for establishing Jewish settlements. (J.A.R.) The government set aside 4.5 million hectares of land for them to build on. In April 1928, the first Jewish immigrants arrived under the auspices of KOMZET-Committee for the Settlement of Jewish Toilers on the Land and established the first settlement- Waldheim . By 1930 there were three Jewish schools in 9 mainly Jewish settlements. By 1932 it had developed to the extent that the State Planning Committee ratified the first estimated figures of the economic plan of the Birobidjan region as a separate economic unit. (J.A.R.) and in 1934 Birobidjan was separated from Khabarovsk province and was granted fully autonomous status; (Clarkson 644) and the Crimean project lost its funding and its cause was discouraged.
    Birobidjan had Jewish schools and Jewish newspapers and Jewish theatre and the official language was Yiddish. The main street In the city of Birobidjan is named after famous Yiddish author Shalom Aleichem. The oblast’s emblem is an Ussuri tiger on a shield of aquamarine with two turquoise stripes. The stripes represent the two rivers and the tiger is looking at the viewer of the emblem to signify the ”unusual history and original way of the region’s development”. (J.A.R.)
    Despite this rosy picture of progress paraphrased mainly from the Jewish Autonomous Oblast’s website, Birobidjan was a pitiful mediocrity, an insincere facsimile of the Jewish settlement in British Palestine.”

    http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/221/birobidjan-the-story-of-the-first-jewish-state

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  42. @geokat62

    ... yet here we have a white supreme and a known anti semite...
     
    Can you produce a shred of evidence that supports these libelous charges? I didn't think so.

    Oh, but I almost forgot, she must be an antisemite for working so hard to shine a spotlight on the machinations of The Lobby and the deleterious effects it's having on US national interests.

    If that's your definition of antisemitism, then I guess all American firsters are, by definition, anti-Semites.

    why

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  43. @Gabriel M
    Yeah that's the chief problem everyone has with Muslim settlement: halal meat, and this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

    Save the children indeed.

    But of course, it woz the Jews what made you do it, just like they make you wage war in Chechnya, the Sudan, Kashmir, Nigeria, Xinjiang, Cote D'Ivoire, Bosnia, Kosovo and, oh look, absolutely everywhere you are close in proximity to any other group of people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

    Save the Children. LOLZ. Aren't you funny.

    Hey Gabriel,

    Rotherham was a complete and utter moral failure on the part of Muslim community in Britain. It was despicable and those men deserve what the law throws at them.

    Jews don’t make us do anything – we’re morally responsible for our own actions. We’ve generally had fairly stable historic relations with Jews – usually providing them rights to immigrate and settle down during times when they get kicked out of Europe. Jews rarely had the kind of influence at the apex of our societies like they did in European societies – so the whole ‘scheming Jew controlling the world’ topic for us is a fairly recent obsession.

    Chechnya, the Sudan, Kashmir, Nigeria, Xinjiang, Cote D’Ivoire, Bosnia, Kosovo

    Uh yeah – like Muslims had no right to take up arms in any of those conflicts. In some of those, Muslims are clearly the aggressor. In others, well…if you don’t want military-age Russian males coming home in body bags, don’t send them into Chechnya with rifles.

    For the record, I believe Beslan was the most horrific terrorist action ever to take place because it was a deliberate targeting of children – utterly deplorable.

    Now – back to the topic at hand; don’t pay attention to the Zionists completely at the helm of US foreign policy because some Muslims have polygamous marriages in inner-city Philly – oh the humanity!!!

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    It's not just Rotherham

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang

    Yep, it's polygamous marriage we're all so worried about.
    , @Art
    Jews rarely had the kind of influence at the apex of our societies like they did in European societies

    Talha,

    Exactly - it is when you give a Jew power that the trouble starts. They just cannot resist using it to their zero-sum advantage.

    Doing business with a Jew is OK if you keep them at arm’s length. With a Jew, it must be “pay as you go.” When the transaction is completed, there must be zero entanglement going forward. Make no long-term contract with a Jew - he will take advantage of you.

    The Jew’s number one tactic to overtake a culture is usury (debt and interest). The Muslin religion forbids usury - thus they could get along.

    Peace

    Art
  44. In my years of research , beginning after 911, on the ME-Israel and the US I had already uncovered most of what Weir covered in her excellent book.

    You may call the Jews or Zionist if you will, a Fifth Column or Subversives—either or both are accurate descriptions of their actions in the US.

    THAT is the bottom line for Americans…and every one else.

    They carry out both political and cultural subversion.

    Here is a recent example of cultural subversion:..the cultural subversion serves their political interest.

    Holocaust Museum Crowdsources the Hardest Question: What Did Americans Know — and When?

    http://forward.com/news/353084/holocaust-museum-crowdsources-the-hardest-question-what-did-americans-know/?attribution=more-articles-carousel-item-4-headline

    Another in the never ending attempt to tar America and Americans as anti semites and as responsible for not saving the Jews from Hitler.

    Why do they persist in this blaming and defaming of everyone ? Because without their victimhood, that brings them special status and undue benefits, they are nothing special.

    For anyone who reads this you need to understand one thing above all about their agenda and tactics .
    It is as French writer Jean Francois Revel wrote: ………………. “Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself.”

    This is a means of controlling America. The current movement to make us believe we are all evil and our white European founders were the evilest of all men.

    I hope that all decent people will politely but forcefully make it known that we know what the ‘game is’ and we will defend our national character.

    Then perhaps like the ‘deplorables’ that revolted against Hillary, we ‘guilty ones’ will revolt against the ” ungratefuls’ who constantly assassinate our character in order to try and control and minimize Americans and their legitimate interest in the US.

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  45. @Talha
    He said 'ME'...so...

    Darfuris killed by Sudan 1.2 million
    Papuans killed by Indonesia 550,000
    Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000
    Chechens killed by Russia 150,000
    Western Saharans killed by Morocco 37,000
    Paliestinians killed by Israel 22,000

    If you think Syria has nothing to do with Israel and Saudi policies, please go sell your wares elsewhere - people here are too smart for this nonsense.

    Peace.

    The Jews make you kill each other. That’s your apologetic. So we’re left with two options:

    (1) You are actually so dumb that Jews can simply manipulate you into slaughtering each other
    (2) You are so dumb that the best excuse you can come up with for killing each other like savages is that the Jews made you do it.

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    • Replies: @Talha

    The Jews make you kill each other.
     
    Uh no - see my other response. I was filtering out the BS in that guy's comment. Middle East has a lexical significance:

    "Geographers and historians do not always agree on which countries should be included in the Middle East. People commonly include the following countries: Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Egypt, Libya, and Sudan."
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Middle-East

    There is a civil war going on in the Muslim world - stay out of it and don't fan the flames unless you want to get singed. And for God's sake, don't give medical aid to Daesh:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315347/Watch-heart-pounding-moment-Israeli-commandos-save-Islamic-militants-Syrian-warzone-risking-lives-sworn-enemies.html

    We'll handle it ourselves - on our terms - like we have been for centuries.

    Peace.

  46. @anonymouse
    Only 15 comments so far at 8:30am Central.

    As all polities are founded on a crime as Montesquiou pointed out, the sin of Israel is to having done the crime in recent historical times. ALL ALL ALL polities have replaced the indigenous inhabitants of everwhere since the beginning of human civilization, killing the men or reducing them to chattel slavery and marrying their women (sometimes). Happily for many countries that happened a long time ago. No one faults the Danes for having displaced and killed off whoever was living there. And so on and so on for EVERY EVERY EVERY nation that exists now or ever existed. Since the crime of Israel was done when it was (1948), when they had to fight to exist as a polity or nation, and the opportunity arose to run as many Arabs out of their part of Palestine assigned to them by the UN in Nov. 1947, Ben Gurion took it, for reasons of state. Raison d'etat is a legalism justifying doing stuff for the sake of the state. Compared to the settlement of the US and ye olde redskins, the Israelis did not attempt to exterminate Palestinian Arabs then in 1948 and certainly not afterwards. For those who do not know, it was the 1967 war with Egypt and Syria, that put the Israelis in the West Bank and religious jews read the surprising victory as a message from their god.

    The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim. I know that because i have known jews who weren't like that ;-).

    Israelis did not attempt to exterminate Palestinian Arabs then in 1948 and certainly not afterwards.

    and certainly not afterwards. – please – that is totally bogus.

    The Zionists do not eliminate Palestine today, only because the world would not stand for it.

    The Zionist Jews are even working to eliminate the word “Palestine” from human consciousness.

    Why do the Jews require so many lies to back their agenda?

    Of course because what they want, is by 21 century standards so evil.

    Their ancient Jewish dark maniacal word warring ways are unacceptable today.

    The world wants something better – we live by truth – we want peace.

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  47. @Gabriel M
    The Jews make you kill each other. That's your apologetic. So we're left with two options:

    (1) You are actually so dumb that Jews can simply manipulate you into slaughtering each other
    (2) You are so dumb that the best excuse you can come up with for killing each other like savages is that the Jews made you do it.

    The Jews make you kill each other.

    Uh no – see my other response. I was filtering out the BS in that guy’s comment. Middle East has a lexical significance:

    “Geographers and historians do not always agree on which countries should be included in the Middle East. People commonly include the following countries: Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Egypt, Libya, and Sudan.”

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Middle-East

    There is a civil war going on in the Muslim world – stay out of it and don’t fan the flames unless you want to get singed. And for God’s sake, don’t give medical aid to Daesh:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3315347/Watch-heart-pounding-moment-Israeli-commandos-save-Islamic-militants-Syrian-warzone-risking-lives-sworn-enemies.html

    We’ll handle it ourselves – on our terms – like we have been for centuries.

    Peace.

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  48. @anonymouse
    Only 15 comments so far at 8:30am Central.

    As all polities are founded on a crime as Montesquiou pointed out, the sin of Israel is to having done the crime in recent historical times. ALL ALL ALL polities have replaced the indigenous inhabitants of everwhere since the beginning of human civilization, killing the men or reducing them to chattel slavery and marrying their women (sometimes). Happily for many countries that happened a long time ago. No one faults the Danes for having displaced and killed off whoever was living there. And so on and so on for EVERY EVERY EVERY nation that exists now or ever existed. Since the crime of Israel was done when it was (1948), when they had to fight to exist as a polity or nation, and the opportunity arose to run as many Arabs out of their part of Palestine assigned to them by the UN in Nov. 1947, Ben Gurion took it, for reasons of state. Raison d'etat is a legalism justifying doing stuff for the sake of the state. Compared to the settlement of the US and ye olde redskins, the Israelis did not attempt to exterminate Palestinian Arabs then in 1948 and certainly not afterwards. For those who do not know, it was the 1967 war with Egypt and Syria, that put the Israelis in the West Bank and religious jews read the surprising victory as a message from their god.

    The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim. I know that because i have known jews who weren't like that ;-).

    ” The innate malfeasance of the jew is clearly a false claim. I know that because i have known jews who weren’t like that ;-).

    The innate malfeasance is in Israeli *Zionism. And in the US *Zionist.
    One cannot look at the Zionist supporters of Israel who live in the US and promote diversity ‘and pluralism and separation of church and state here— and not see the ‘ criminal hypocrisy in demanding the exact opposite for Israel.

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  49. @Talha
    He said 'ME'...so...

    Darfuris killed by Sudan 1.2 million
    Papuans killed by Indonesia 550,000
    Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000
    Chechens killed by Russia 150,000
    Western Saharans killed by Morocco 37,000
    Paliestinians killed by Israel 22,000

    If you think Syria has nothing to do with Israel and Saudi policies, please go sell your wares elsewhere - people here are too smart for this nonsense.

    Peace.

    {Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000}

    Yo, Talha:

    I know you know better, so why repeat the bogus Neocon/MSM claim that Syrian government has killed all the Syrians killed so far?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

    Yes, I know Wiki is not always a reliable source for controversial subjects, but the claim of 400K Syrians having been killed by the Syrian gov – and only the Syrian gov – is bogus on its face: you mean in 5 years of this civil war terrorists have not killed and murdered anyone in Syria?
    Absurd.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Yo Avery,

    I agree, to blame all the bloodshed on the Syrian government is preposterous; but there is likely a reason why the other side is not mentioned - because they are considered an asset in the chess game by the Israelis. I let that one slide in the greater scheme of things of the point the guy was (likely) trying to make; that Muslims themselves are also morally culpable in the conflicts in the ME.

    Peace.
  50. It’s always fun to watch ‘muricuns’ blubber on about Zionism as they sit on the blood soaked land in their ‘settlements’ as they now ‘occupy’ the area where they murdered the indigenous peoples . Well done.

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    Maybe they would say it helps when the murdering was done by people five and more generations back whose names you don't even know rather than by fathers, brothers, uncles and grandfathers.
  51. @Avery
    {Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000}

    Yo, Talha:

    I know you know better, so why repeat the bogus Neocon/MSM claim that Syrian government has killed all the Syrians killed so far?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

    Yes, I know Wiki is not always a reliable source for controversial subjects, but the claim of 400K Syrians having been killed by the Syrian gov - and only the Syrian gov - is bogus on its face: you mean in 5 years of this civil war terrorists have not killed and murdered anyone in Syria?
    Absurd.

    Yo Avery,

    I agree, to blame all the bloodshed on the Syrian government is preposterous; but there is likely a reason why the other side is not mentioned – because they are considered an asset in the chess game by the Israelis. I let that one slide in the greater scheme of things of the point the guy was (likely) trying to make; that Muslims themselves are also morally culpable in the conflicts in the ME.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    Typical Muslim can't imagine that anything happens without Israel being responsible for it. The mad rush for war against Assad and Putin, thankfully now averted by the election of Trump, the most pro-Israel President in history, is led by European nations who are Palestines' biggest supporters, financially and politically.

    Trump is going to work with Putin to destroy ISIS.

    Then Trump is going to move the embassy to Jerusalem and formally end American commitment to a Fakestinian state.

    And France and Germany will just have to lump it.

    And so will you.
  52. @Talha
    Hey Gabriel,

    Rotherham was a complete and utter moral failure on the part of Muslim community in Britain. It was despicable and those men deserve what the law throws at them.

    Jews don't make us do anything - we're morally responsible for our own actions. We've generally had fairly stable historic relations with Jews - usually providing them rights to immigrate and settle down during times when they get kicked out of Europe. Jews rarely had the kind of influence at the apex of our societies like they did in European societies - so the whole 'scheming Jew controlling the world' topic for us is a fairly recent obsession.


    Chechnya, the Sudan, Kashmir, Nigeria, Xinjiang, Cote D’Ivoire, Bosnia, Kosovo
     
    Uh yeah - like Muslims had no right to take up arms in any of those conflicts. In some of those, Muslims are clearly the aggressor. In others, well...if you don't want military-age Russian males coming home in body bags, don't send them into Chechnya with rifles.

    For the record, I believe Beslan was the most horrific terrorist action ever to take place because it was a deliberate targeting of children - utterly deplorable.

    Now - back to the topic at hand; don't pay attention to the Zionists completely at the helm of US foreign policy because some Muslims have polygamous marriages in inner-city Philly - oh the humanity!!!

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    So kick out those thugs or hang 'em - what're you waiting for?

    Back on topic...

    Let's also hang the Zionists and Neocons that have hi-jacked foreign policy and led to the deaths of thousands and bled the national treasury too - deal?

    Let's have Muslims advocate hanging our thugs, and Jews advocate hanging theirs - sound good to everybody?

    Peace.

  53. @Gabriel M
    It's not just Rotherham

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_sex_gang
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterborough_sex_abuse_case
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_sex_gang

    Yep, it's polygamous marriage we're all so worried about.

    So kick out those thugs or hang ‘em – what’re you waiting for?

    Back on topic…

    Let’s also hang the Zionists and Neocons that have hi-jacked foreign policy and led to the deaths of thousands and bled the national treasury too – deal?

    Let’s have Muslims advocate hanging our thugs, and Jews advocate hanging theirs – sound good to everybody?

    Peace.

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    tahla

    who is peace
    , @Gabriel M
    OK, let's hang George Soros, architect of the Libya and Syria interventions. Then the Fakestinians can find someone else to keep giving them money.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/210826/soros-hack-reveals-evidence-of-systemic-anti-israel-bias

    You can also hang the neocons too, wouldn't bother me, or anyone else much in Israel.
  54. You fail to mention that Lord Balfour was himself a Jew. So even in England, you had a Jewish person writing the official position of the entire British Empire on a narrow but troublesome topic. And of course there were many Christian Fundamentalists, both in England and the US, who believed, and still believe, that giving the Biblical lands to modern Jews is required by Christian prophecy.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Alfred Balfour was not Jewish.

    According to Leonard Stein in "The Balfour Agreement," Weizmann put the British decision-makers that he set out to influence, into three categories:
    -overtly antisemitic
    -neutral-to-philo-semitic
    -'closet' antisemitic

    Balfour fit the third category, which is the one Weizmann most preferred to deal with: Weizmann calculated that he could more readily induce feelings of guilt, which translates, psychologically, to fear and to a total loss of self-confidence, dignity, and commitment to one's own values & interests, in a 'closet' antisemite, and reduce such a person to putty in his hands.

    Which is what Weizmann did.

    ---
    Leonard Stein was Weizmann's companion and assistant in his determined activities in insinuating himself into British decision-making circles with the goal of leveraging Jewish power in order to achieve what we now call the Balfour declaration.

    I first learned of Stein's hefty record of Weizmann's activities in a (relatively) short review of the book in a 1960s issue of Commentary mag. There were other Jews traveling to European capitals attempting to "sell" Jewish power to the highest bidder; after all, it should be remembered (even if most Jews prefer that you not know) that Germans had supported Jews in their colonization efforts in Palestine for several decades. Arthur Ruppin, called the "creator of Hebrew culture in Palestine" by his biographer, Etan Bloom, was born in Germany, educated in German schools and trained as a lawyer in German university. Ruppin built Tel Aviv and the broad blueprint for Israeli society and institutions on German models (including reliance on eugenics theories of which Ruppin was an award-winning master).

    Simultaneously, over a period of years Theodore Herzl attempted to make a deal with the Ottoman leader, Abdul Hamid II, but was unsuccessful (Trump had not yet been born ;>) .

    Several Jewish money-men supported the German-based Jewish settlements in Palestine, including Warburgs and Rothschilds (from differing branches of each family).

    Jewish settlement in Palestine was very active in the years between 1907 -- Ruppin's first visit to the region -- and outbreak of WWI, when activity slowed.

    In that stew of competing Jewish colonizing activities, and with the outbreak of WWI, Stein records that " Weizmann bet on the British."

    --
    Dr. Sniegoski's comments on both Alison Weir's and on Tom Segev's discourse on the actual power and influence of Jews, relative to the perceived power of Jews, are fascinating and worthy of further exploration, if for no other reason than to be able to pull back the curtain on the strutting, empty suits behind the curtain and thereby restore our confidence in ourselves and reclaim our own power and authority to determine US policy.
    , @Adar.
    I am not sure if Balfour was a Jew but at least his immediate subordinate who as I understand it actually wrote the declaration was Leopold Amery who was a SECRET JEW. Posing as a Christian all the while being a JEW.
  55. @Talha
    Yo Avery,

    I agree, to blame all the bloodshed on the Syrian government is preposterous; but there is likely a reason why the other side is not mentioned - because they are considered an asset in the chess game by the Israelis. I let that one slide in the greater scheme of things of the point the guy was (likely) trying to make; that Muslims themselves are also morally culpable in the conflicts in the ME.

    Peace.

    Typical Muslim can’t imagine that anything happens without Israel being responsible for it. The mad rush for war against Assad and Putin, thankfully now averted by the election of Trump, the most pro-Israel President in history, is led by European nations who are Palestines’ biggest supporters, financially and politically.

    Trump is going to work with Putin to destroy ISIS.

    Then Trump is going to move the embassy to Jerusalem and formally end American commitment to a Fakestinian state.

    And France and Germany will just have to lump it.

    And so will you.

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    Typical Muslim can’t imagine that anything happens without Israel being responsible for it.
     
    Are you even reading anything I am saying about Muslims being morally culpable for their actions? If you think Israel (and their camp in the US) is not at all involved with setting current ME policy then you are either naive or selling snake oil.

    Trump is going to work with Putin to destroy ISIS.
     
    Maybe - like I said, this is our fight - all others should stay out of it. And don't break apart any more Muslim countries that lead to them becoming unstable cesspools of extremist recruitment - capiche?

    Then Trump is going to move the embassy to Jerusalem and formally end American commitment to a Fakestinian state.
     
    Good - I'm all for ending the pretense to be honest.

    And so will you.
     
    Yup, until it's time not to. Takes a while to get ducks in a row - working on it...

    Peace.
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    @Talha
    He said 'ME'...so...

    Darfuris killed by Sudan 1.2 million
    Papuans killed by Indonesia 550,000
    Syrians killed by Syrian gov 400,000
    Chechens killed by Russia 150,000
    Western Saharans killed by Morocco 37,000
    Paliestinians killed by Israel 22,000

    If you think Syria has nothing to do with Israel and Saudi policies, please go sell your wares elsewhere - people here are too smart for this nonsense.

    Peace.

    B.Assads father was up to similar tricks in the early 80′s when he gave a preview of things to come , killing more Muslims in Hama in one month than Israel has killed in the entirety of the Israel Palestinian conflict. Are you a buyer now ?

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Uh - no, please don't distract the discussion. That was the original shot across the bow of the current civil war; Salafi/Wahhabi extremists versus everyone else. Why are Israel and Israeli-firsters (in America) taking sides with groups like Daesh against the Syrian government? And causing the US to do the same?

    killing more Muslims in Hama in one month than Israel has killed in the entirety of the Israel Palestinian conflict
     
    Correct, he will answer in front of God for his crimes as Israelis will for theirs.

    Again, I state...

    If you think Syria has nothing to do with Israel and Saudi policies, please go sell your wares elsewhere – people here are too smart for this nonsense.

    Peace.
    , @alexander
    Anon,

    Since you seem to be quite up to date on the murderous activities of "assorted " states..

    How many people has ISIS murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Nusra murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Qaeda murdered in Syria ?

    How many people in Iraq were murdered because Americans were LIED into killing them ?

    If you do not have the answers..if you CANNOT answer ....if you choose NOT to answer..then it is clear to EVERYONE , you are a total fraud and a complete tool.

    And none of us should pay much attention to your statistical competence.


    Because you are a FRAUD .
  57. @Talha
    Hey Gabriel,

    Rotherham was a complete and utter moral failure on the part of Muslim community in Britain. It was despicable and those men deserve what the law throws at them.

    Jews don't make us do anything - we're morally responsible for our own actions. We've generally had fairly stable historic relations with Jews - usually providing them rights to immigrate and settle down during times when they get kicked out of Europe. Jews rarely had the kind of influence at the apex of our societies like they did in European societies - so the whole 'scheming Jew controlling the world' topic for us is a fairly recent obsession.


    Chechnya, the Sudan, Kashmir, Nigeria, Xinjiang, Cote D’Ivoire, Bosnia, Kosovo
     
    Uh yeah - like Muslims had no right to take up arms in any of those conflicts. In some of those, Muslims are clearly the aggressor. In others, well...if you don't want military-age Russian males coming home in body bags, don't send them into Chechnya with rifles.

    For the record, I believe Beslan was the most horrific terrorist action ever to take place because it was a deliberate targeting of children - utterly deplorable.

    Now - back to the topic at hand; don't pay attention to the Zionists completely at the helm of US foreign policy because some Muslims have polygamous marriages in inner-city Philly - oh the humanity!!!

    Peace.

    Jews rarely had the kind of influence at the apex of our societies like they did in European societies

    Talha,

    Exactly – it is when you give a Jew power that the trouble starts. They just cannot resist using it to their zero-sum advantage.

    Doing business with a Jew is OK if you keep them at arm’s length. With a Jew, it must be “pay as you go.” When the transaction is completed, there must be zero entanglement going forward. Make no long-term contract with a Jew – he will take advantage of you.

    The Jew’s number one tactic to overtake a culture is usury (debt and interest). The Muslin religion forbids usury – thus they could get along.

    Peace

    Art

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    Hey Art!

    The Muslin religion forbids usury
     
    So did Christianity for centuries - you guys really need to get that train back on track!

    Full disclosure; Muslims historically didn't let any of the religious minorities to break a certain ceiling when it came to governance, administration, military strategy, etc. Including Christians or Zoroastrians, etc. - it was not considered sound policy. So the restriction was not just for Jews. It was assumed that one could indeed rely on and benefit from the skills of non-Muslim minorities, but giving some one the keys to one's civilizational and cultural castle was not something one did with respect to a person who may not be fully on board with the overarching ethos and vision of that same civilization. So for instance, there was no way you would see 3 Jewish people sitting on the chief judicial body of the land (as on the current Supreme Court) - of course they had their own court system so it didn't really matter.

    I personally wouldn't think it would be 'oppressive' to restrict certain positions of government (executive, judicial, military, etc.) from being held by Muslims due to similar concerns. Of course, one would have to overturn historic practice (Article 6) - and it might be unequal, but certainly not 'oppressive' - except in the minds of SJWs.

    Peace.

    By the way, we haven't heard from 'Moshe' lately, is he cooking tonight or just in charge of salad?
    , @Karl
    > The Muslin religion forbids usury

    no. Sharia forbids "riba" - ANY rental fee for the use of money. Reference:

    http://www.islamic-banking.com/prohibition_of_interest.aspx


    Now, the laws of physics and of economics cannot be repealed by guys whose picture you're not allowed to draw. Hence, Islamic Banking has come up with a myriad of ways to disguise the rental-fee on money.

    the Rabbinate has a similar racket going on with the "shabbos goy" schtick, so I do not approach the topic to attack the Muslims (I only do that for the apostasy laws)

    It is probably safe to say that Islamic Insurance was the internediate ancestor of today's "Cat Bonds"... ie, a debt which is extinguished if any of a named set of catastrophies falls upon the borrower. "Intermediate" because the Greeks and their forbears already had "bottomage".

    As an aside, folks who claim that Zionism is a pure invention, will have to explain the existence of the Karaites who go all the way back to Herod's Temple, and actually even more the case, the Shomronim ("Samaritans") who appear to actually go back to Joshua's conquest of Canaan - and who NEVER LEFT northern Israel. Moses and Joshua would be able to read the Samaritan's Torah scrolls; unlike the Judeans, the Samaritans never adopted the Aramaic alphabet.
  58. @Talha
    So kick out those thugs or hang 'em - what're you waiting for?

    Back on topic...

    Let's also hang the Zionists and Neocons that have hi-jacked foreign policy and led to the deaths of thousands and bled the national treasury too - deal?

    Let's have Muslims advocate hanging our thugs, and Jews advocate hanging theirs - sound good to everybody?

    Peace.

    tahla

    who is peace

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey mcohen,

    'Peace' is my sign-off (and hope for the world).

    Peace.
  59. @Talha
    So kick out those thugs or hang 'em - what're you waiting for?

    Back on topic...

    Let's also hang the Zionists and Neocons that have hi-jacked foreign policy and led to the deaths of thousands and bled the national treasury too - deal?

    Let's have Muslims advocate hanging our thugs, and Jews advocate hanging theirs - sound good to everybody?

    Peace.

    OK, let’s hang George Soros, architect of the Libya and Syria interventions. Then the Fakestinians can find someone else to keep giving them money.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/210826/soros-hack-reveals-evidence-of-systemic-anti-israel-bias

    You can also hang the neocons too, wouldn’t bother me, or anyone else much in Israel.

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  60. @anon
    B.Assads father was up to similar tricks in the early 80's when he gave a preview of things to come , killing more Muslims in Hama in one month than Israel has killed in the entirety of the Israel Palestinian conflict. Are you a buyer now ?

    Uh – no, please don’t distract the discussion. That was the original shot across the bow of the current civil war; Salafi/Wahhabi extremists versus everyone else. Why are Israel and Israeli-firsters (in America) taking sides with groups like Daesh against the Syrian government? And causing the US to do the same?

    killing more Muslims in Hama in one month than Israel has killed in the entirety of the Israel Palestinian conflict

    Correct, he will answer in front of God for his crimes as Israelis will for theirs.

    Again, I state…

    If you think Syria has nothing to do with Israel and Saudi policies, please go sell your wares elsewhere – people here are too smart for this nonsense.

    Peace.

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    Hello Talha,
    Your argument is a bit of a red herring , as I never made any comment one way or the other regarding Saudi or Israeli involvement in Syria. Perhaps you have me confused with another commenter .

    My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia is allowed to get away with bloody murder without so much as a squeak of media or international scrutiny . As has Sudan , Mauritania , Iran , Turkey and others. But lets take an example here to its logical conclusion .

    Indonesia has been occupying West Papua since 1963 ( 4 years longer than Israel/Palestine).
    Indonesia is occupying 55,000 square miles of West Papua ( 53,000 more square miles than Israel/Palestine) .Indonesia has killed 550,000 Papuans in the time of its occupation (Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians ) . Im not going to write a dissertation here and Ill keep it brief by not giving the corresponding embarrassing statistics for Sudan ,Iran ,Morocco , &c.

    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua , I wonder if you would stand for a total media black out in West Bank ?

    In the end you are right we will all pay for our crimes . And the larger the crime the larger the price that will be exacted . Doesn't bode well for the followers of Muhamad.

  61. @Sherman
    So Jews are rich and smart and powerful and organized and determined?

    Sounds good to me!

    So Jews are rich and smart and powerful and organized and determined?

    Sounds good to me!

    So Jews are greedy, dishonest, malicious, tribal, hateful liars.

    Sounds truthful to me!

    p.s. Say Sherm – as a Jew, have you ever wondered what it would be like to love humanity?

    p.s. Hmm – dumb question – loving humanity requires a certain bigness of character.

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    Some of the best humans beings were Jewish. For example, the great philosophers Baruch Spinoza and Ludwig Wittgenstein, pediatrician Janusz Korczak, great pianist Maria Yudina, formidable intellectuals Hanna Arendt and Albert Einstein... In humans, goodness and evil are not ethnically selective.
    It is much more rational and useful to focus on the expression of evil in Ziocons than to besmirch the whole ethnic group. What does make Dick Cheney better than Jill Stein?
  62. @Gabriel M
    Typical Muslim can't imagine that anything happens without Israel being responsible for it. The mad rush for war against Assad and Putin, thankfully now averted by the election of Trump, the most pro-Israel President in history, is led by European nations who are Palestines' biggest supporters, financially and politically.

    Trump is going to work with Putin to destroy ISIS.

    Then Trump is going to move the embassy to Jerusalem and formally end American commitment to a Fakestinian state.

    And France and Germany will just have to lump it.

    And so will you.

    Typical Muslim can’t imagine that anything happens without Israel being responsible for it.

    Are you even reading anything I am saying about Muslims being morally culpable for their actions? If you think Israel (and their camp in the US) is not at all involved with setting current ME policy then you are either naive or selling snake oil.

    Trump is going to work with Putin to destroy ISIS.

    Maybe – like I said, this is our fight – all others should stay out of it. And don’t break apart any more Muslim countries that lead to them becoming unstable cesspools of extremist recruitment – capiche?

    Then Trump is going to move the embassy to Jerusalem and formally end American commitment to a Fakestinian state.

    Good – I’m all for ending the pretense to be honest.

    And so will you.

    Yup, until it’s time not to. Takes a while to get ducks in a row – working on it…

    Peace.

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  63. @Dovla
    It's great that you name Chetniks immediately after Nazis, them being responsible for maybe 50000-100000 deaths in WW2, mainly in retaliation to Ustasha genocide. Yes, such dark place that eastern Europe, all the while western Europe colonized entire world not with guns, genocide, enslavement, forced starvation and pumping drugs into countries that didn't want them but with flowers and shiny bells.

    Fail point, and sorry about the Chetniks. Nothing against the Chetniks.

    But I’m not saying that the ethnocentric disease, spreading mostly among smaller groups with complicated ups and downs in their history (or in their nationalist narratives and myths at least), is a particularly horrible phenomenon. I completely agree that western empires are much, much worse.

    In fact, that’s pretty much what I said. Look carefully into any of those, and you’ll always (or almost always) find some imperial sponsor inflaming, arming, and using it, as a pawn in a large-scale geopolitical game…

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    Sorry, missed your point, overlooked that last sentence completely.

    Cheers.
  64. @Sherman
    So Jews are rich and smart and powerful and organized and determined?

    Sounds good to me!

    Nope Sharon – you need to read Jewish brothers of yours such as Gilad atzmon, Roger Tucker, Paul eisen, Steve Lendman, etc. to find out how evil you people are.

    “Judaism is NOT a religion of peace? Christianity and Islam are indeed religions of peace – in their official ideology that is, though by no means always in practice – but Judaism doesn’t even make such a claim. You only have to look at our religious texts to know that,” said Eisen….

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/03/10/paul-eisen-judaism-is-not-religion-of-peace/

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    " Ramhole the Takkiya Troll " . Wasn't it just yesterday that you were dedicating your posts to calling Christians " Child molesters " ??
    , @annamaria
    There are to many caveats for nominating the official Christianity a religion of peace, unfortunately...
  65. @Art
    Jews rarely had the kind of influence at the apex of our societies like they did in European societies

    Talha,

    Exactly - it is when you give a Jew power that the trouble starts. They just cannot resist using it to their zero-sum advantage.

    Doing business with a Jew is OK if you keep them at arm’s length. With a Jew, it must be “pay as you go.” When the transaction is completed, there must be zero entanglement going forward. Make no long-term contract with a Jew - he will take advantage of you.

    The Jew’s number one tactic to overtake a culture is usury (debt and interest). The Muslin religion forbids usury - thus they could get along.

    Peace

    Art

    Hey Art!

    The Muslin religion forbids usury

    So did Christianity for centuries – you guys really need to get that train back on track!

    Full disclosure; Muslims historically didn’t let any of the religious minorities to break a certain ceiling when it came to governance, administration, military strategy, etc. Including Christians or Zoroastrians, etc. – it was not considered sound policy. So the restriction was not just for Jews. It was assumed that one could indeed rely on and benefit from the skills of non-Muslim minorities, but giving some one the keys to one’s civilizational and cultural castle was not something one did with respect to a person who may not be fully on board with the overarching ethos and vision of that same civilization. So for instance, there was no way you would see 3 Jewish people sitting on the chief judicial body of the land (as on the current Supreme Court) – of course they had their own court system so it didn’t really matter.

    I personally wouldn’t think it would be ‘oppressive’ to restrict certain positions of government (executive, judicial, military, etc.) from being held by Muslims due to similar concerns. Of course, one would have to overturn historic practice (Article 6) – and it might be unequal, but certainly not ‘oppressive’ – except in the minds of SJWs.

    Peace.

    By the way, we haven’t heard from ‘Moshe’ lately, is he cooking tonight or just in charge of salad?

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    By the way, we haven’t heard from ‘Moshe’ lately, is he cooking tonight or just in charge of salad?

    Hi Talha,

    Moshe is my dinner mate here at the home. Nice dinner tonight --- beef stew with gravy, potatoes, carrots, celery, and onions. A green salad on the side and chocolate pudding for desert. It was all good.

    Moshe went to the movies this afternoon - saw “Hack Saw Ridge.” Said it was great. A war movie, but the hero was a conscientious objector.

    Peace

    Art

    p.s. He is mad at his Jew people for their ten-year attack on Mel Gibson. What a shame, the whole movie going world was coerced and robed of his talents.

    p.s. Moshe was wondering if Shama and iffen, like him, had found their senses and given up on Judaism and Zionism?

  66. @Vinnie
    You fail to mention that Lord Balfour was himself a Jew. So even in England, you had a Jewish person writing the official position of the entire British Empire on a narrow but troublesome topic. And of course there were many Christian Fundamentalists, both in England and the US, who believed, and still believe, that giving the Biblical lands to modern Jews is required by Christian prophecy.

    Alfred Balfour was not Jewish.

    According to Leonard Stein in “The Balfour Agreement,” Weizmann put the British decision-makers that he set out to influence, into three categories:
    -overtly antisemitic
    -neutral-to-philo-semitic
    -’closet’ antisemitic

    Balfour fit the third category, which is the one Weizmann most preferred to deal with: Weizmann calculated that he could more readily induce feelings of guilt, which translates, psychologically, to fear and to a total loss of self-confidence, dignity, and commitment to one’s own values & interests, in a ‘closet’ antisemite, and reduce such a person to putty in his hands.

    Which is what Weizmann did.


    Leonard Stein was Weizmann’s companion and assistant in his determined activities in insinuating himself into British decision-making circles with the goal of leveraging Jewish power in order to achieve what we now call the Balfour declaration.

    I first learned of Stein’s hefty record of Weizmann’s activities in a (relatively) short review of the book in a 1960s issue of Commentary mag. There were other Jews traveling to European capitals attempting to “sell” Jewish power to the highest bidder; after all, it should be remembered (even if most Jews prefer that you not know) that Germans had supported Jews in their colonization efforts in Palestine for several decades. Arthur Ruppin, called the “creator of Hebrew culture in Palestine” by his biographer, Etan Bloom, was born in Germany, educated in German schools and trained as a lawyer in German university. Ruppin built Tel Aviv and the broad blueprint for Israeli society and institutions on German models (including reliance on eugenics theories of which Ruppin was an award-winning master).

    Simultaneously, over a period of years Theodore Herzl attempted to make a deal with the Ottoman leader, Abdul Hamid II, but was unsuccessful (Trump had not yet been born ;>) .

    Several Jewish money-men supported the German-based Jewish settlements in Palestine, including Warburgs and Rothschilds (from differing branches of each family).

    Jewish settlement in Palestine was very active in the years between 1907 — Ruppin’s first visit to the region — and outbreak of WWI, when activity slowed.

    In that stew of competing Jewish colonizing activities, and with the outbreak of WWI, Stein records that ” Weizmann bet on the British.”


    Dr. Sniegoski’s comments on both Alison Weir’s and on Tom Segev’s discourse on the actual power and influence of Jews, relative to the perceived power of Jews, are fascinating and worthy of further exploration, if for no other reason than to be able to pull back the curtain on the strutting, empty suits behind the curtain and thereby restore our confidence in ourselves and reclaim our own power and authority to determine US policy.

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  67. @Gabriel M
    OK, let's hang George Soros, architect of the Libya and Syria interventions. Then the Fakestinians can find someone else to keep giving them money.

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/210826/soros-hack-reveals-evidence-of-systemic-anti-israel-bias

    You can also hang the neocons too, wouldn't bother me, or anyone else much in Israel.

    Sweet – who’s got the ropes!!!

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  68. Due to time constraints I was only able to read part of the article which seems to be A+. Deep appreciation to UR for this.

    What caught my eye was the name, “Allison Weir.” The lady is tops and should be listened to. Now, I’ll need to pay attention to the author of this piece as well.

    Did the article mention that some Zionists collaborated with Nazis as well? That is a very interesting part of the puzzle.

    I’m saving this article so I can read it when I have some time.

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    "need to pay attention to the author of this piece as well" - In 2003 he was one of the first (before Buchanan) who wrote about the neocons.
  69. ‘Anonymouse’ is not me. Accept only the real thing.

    (Isn’t there a way to prevent this?)

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  70. @Jacques Sheete
    Due to time constraints I was only able to read part of the article which seems to be A+. Deep appreciation to UR for this.

    What caught my eye was the name, "Allison Weir." The lady is tops and should be listened to. Now, I'll need to pay attention to the author of this piece as well.

    Did the article mention that some Zionists collaborated with Nazis as well? That is a very interesting part of the puzzle.

    I'm saving this article so I can read it when I have some time.

    “need to pay attention to the author of this piece as well” – In 2003 he was one of the first (before Buchanan) who wrote about the neocons.

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  71. @Mao Cheng Ji
    Fail point, and sorry about the Chetniks. Nothing against the Chetniks.

    But I'm not saying that the ethnocentric disease, spreading mostly among smaller groups with complicated ups and downs in their history (or in their nationalist narratives and myths at least), is a particularly horrible phenomenon. I completely agree that western empires are much, much worse.

    In fact, that's pretty much what I said. Look carefully into any of those, and you'll always (or almost always) find some imperial sponsor inflaming, arming, and using it, as a pawn in a large-scale geopolitical game...

    Sorry, missed your point, overlooked that last sentence completely.

    Cheers.

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  72. @anon
    B.Assads father was up to similar tricks in the early 80's when he gave a preview of things to come , killing more Muslims in Hama in one month than Israel has killed in the entirety of the Israel Palestinian conflict. Are you a buyer now ?

    Anon,

    Since you seem to be quite up to date on the murderous activities of “assorted ” states..

    How many people has ISIS murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Nusra murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Qaeda murdered in Syria ?

    How many people in Iraq were murdered because Americans were LIED into killing them ?

    If you do not have the answers..if you CANNOT answer ….if you choose NOT to answer..then it is clear to EVERYONE , you are a total fraud and a complete tool.

    And none of us should pay much attention to your statistical competence.

    Because you are a FRAUD .

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    How many people has ISIS murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Nusra murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Qaeda murdered in Syria ?
     
    ISLAMIC State in Iraq and Syria has been credited with murdering 50,000 .As far as the other 2 , I have not seen any figures but lets assume that its also 50,000 each .That equals 150,000 killed by those ISLAMIC groups in Syria.

    Another way to put it is that its is about 10% of the amount of Darfuris killed by the regime of The ISLAMIC Republic of Sudan .( 1.2 Million ) .

    Yet another way to put it is that it is about 33% of the amount of Papuans killed by The ISLAMIC Regime of Indonesia . (550,000)

    Yet another way to put it is that it is about 10% of the amount of South Sudanese killed by the ISLAMIC republic of Sudan in its recently ended civil war and lets not forget something that you would love the world to forget , The Janjaweed Rape militia tasked with raping the black population for ethnic cleansing efforts and to arabize the population .

    Here is a succinct way of putting it. Its the same amount of Chechens killed by Russia in its occupation of Chenchnya.
  73. @Sebastian Puettmann
    First of all, no Jew can make you believe anything.

    Second, for me it is quite obvious that the jewish state was a project by 3 rather suspicious, if not downright criminal groups: a) the western military industrial complex to have an excuse to wage war around the world and to be present in the middle east, b) a small jewish elite with more money than was probably good for them, and c) minority jewish doomsday sects who believe in "helping god" make history.

    As Wolfgang Eggert, German historian, said: Most jews were opposed to "be sent into the desert". For they had their shops in the Champs-Élysées in Paris or in the best parts of Berlin and were living comfortable lives.

    If you think that elite Jewish organisations speak for all jews than you might as well stop reading UNZ and go to Foreign Affairs because the CFR speaks for all Americans, right?

    If Jews want to convince us that there is significant Jewish opposition to “the Jewish State” they’re going to have to try a LOT harder.

    At this point, we want names, addresses, actionable intelligence……..

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  74. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Talha
    Uh - no, please don't distract the discussion. That was the original shot across the bow of the current civil war; Salafi/Wahhabi extremists versus everyone else. Why are Israel and Israeli-firsters (in America) taking sides with groups like Daesh against the Syrian government? And causing the US to do the same?

    killing more Muslims in Hama in one month than Israel has killed in the entirety of the Israel Palestinian conflict
     
    Correct, he will answer in front of God for his crimes as Israelis will for theirs.

    Again, I state...

    If you think Syria has nothing to do with Israel and Saudi policies, please go sell your wares elsewhere – people here are too smart for this nonsense.

    Peace.

    Hello Talha,
    Your argument is a bit of a red herring , as I never made any comment one way or the other regarding Saudi or Israeli involvement in Syria. Perhaps you have me confused with another commenter .

    My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia is allowed to get away with bloody murder without so much as a squeak of media or international scrutiny . As has Sudan , Mauritania , Iran , Turkey and others. But lets take an example here to its logical conclusion .

    Indonesia has been occupying West Papua since 1963 ( 4 years longer than Israel/Palestine).
    Indonesia is occupying 55,000 square miles of West Papua ( 53,000 more square miles than Israel/Palestine) .Indonesia has killed 550,000 Papuans in the time of its occupation (Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians ) . Im not going to write a dissertation here and Ill keep it brief by not giving the corresponding embarrassing statistics for Sudan ,Iran ,Morocco , &c.

    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua , I wonder if you would stand for a total media black out in West Bank ?

    In the end you are right we will all pay for our crimes . And the larger the crime the larger the price that will be exacted . Doesn’t bode well for the followers of Muhamad.

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    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua
     
    Location, location, location! If you want to commit genocide as an ally of the US (like Indonesia) then do so in some remote area of the world - don't do that in the land that is central to three major religions - that's just stupid. Go kill a bunch of people in some place in Africa like the Congo and nobody will bat an eye:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivu_conflict

    But God's keeping count so I wouldn't recommend it. Payback is going to hurt, it's going to hurt real bad.

    Doesn’t bode well for the followers of Muhamad.
     
    Unfortunately not, many Muslims have far too much blood on our hands. Everyone answers individually for their crimes in the afterlife - we don't believe in vicarious atonement. So - take away; don't oppress others. And don't throw up dust in front of your crimes with the crimes of others.

    Peace.
    , @geokat62

    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua,
     
    There is a simple explanation for this - i.e., the West Papuans must have a stranglehold on the MSM in the US.

    I wonder if you would stand for a total media black out in West Bank?
     
    Was this meant to be a rhetorical question?

    Palestinians under the curse of a media blackout

    http://www.herald.co.zw/palestinians-under-the-curse-of-a-media-blackout/
    , @annamaria
    "My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia..."

    This is an old bullet point. And here is an old answer to it: Israel has been pretending to be an arbiter if justice and humanness. Have you seen an Indonesian museum plastered with "never again" in the ways that designed to shame each and every European country? Or have the individual Indonesians demanded considerable reparations, for "special sufferings," from other states - as Jewish individuals have been demanding (and receiving) from the ruined Germany? There is no Indonesian Lobby that guides the US money&power towards supporting the Indonesian statehood and expansion for the expense of Indonesian neighbors. There is also no institutional cover of Indonesian crimes, pushed by Indonesia-firsters in the US. Hope that you have got the picture. Israel has been receiving much attention because it extracts too much money and moral capital from the US and because it talks to much about its exceptionality (even the immoral IDF is called "the most moral" army). A harsh but just word for Israel (and Ziocons) is "parasitoid."
    , @Anon
    There is no moral consistency to any of this.

    "My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia is allowed to get away with bloody murder without so much as a squeak of media or international scrutiny."

    You are totally right. The number of people killed by Israel has been small in comparison.

    But keep in mind Israel gets both MORE support and MORE opprobrium than other nations. On balance, from institutions and industries that really matter, Israel gets far more support than criticism. And in American Politics, Israel and Zionism are king. Even now, most anti-Israel stuff in is radical corners of academia.

    Indonesia is too distant from us, too exotic. Also, there is no West Papuan power base in the US. If West Papuans ruled US media and Wall Street, we would hear a lot more about them nasty Indonesians. But Americans don't care about a bunch of head-hunting morons with bones in their noses. Also, as Indonesia itself was an artificially constructed nation and identity, who knows what is and isn't 'Indonesian'? Even though Israel is a recently created nation, the Jewish identity and idea of homeland in the Holy Land is NOT a modern invention. It has real historical roots.

    Also, there is an implicit 'racism' in proggism in its assumption that whites(Jews included) should be judged by higher moral standards since they should know better. They should know better because, apparently, they are superior in intellect and culture. As for non-whites, well, whaddya gonna do about barbarians, savages, and animals? They don't know any better and that's that.

    Anyway, I don't think most of anti-Israel criticism is about the Nakba but about the Occupation. Yes, some anti-Zionists want to turn back to clock to 1948, but most people accept Israel as fact. What they oppose is the continuing occupation of West Bank, and even Jews are beginning to realize that this is turning into a huge embarrassment that just garners Israel more and more bad press, especially as EU and US fills up with more colored folks who aren't so keen on supporting what they see as WHITE Jews oppressing non-white Palestinians. EU now has lots of Muslims.

    Also, different groups have different reason for criticizing Israel.

    Some Jews like Philip Weiss, Max Blumenthal, and Norman Finkelstein have grown disillusioned with Israel's increasing belligerent policies and the Occupation that grows worse and looks more like 'apartheid'.
    Some Jews like Naomi Klein and Naomi Wolf have caught the radical universal bug. They found 'Jesus' in the figurative sense. Both love virtue-signaling, and they feel that sticking to Zionism restricts their global 'save the world' reach. I think Jill Stein is like that too. Naomi Wolf once had a dream or vision of seeing Jesus.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/naomi-wolfs-vagina-no-carnations-please-were-goddesses/

    When Jews were into Jewishness, this didn't matter. But after 'Emancipation', Jews moved into universalist creeds like communism. Communism didn't work. Some Jews found universalist meaning in the Holocaust. The Jewish People were crucified and they would be a beacon for hope and peace for all the world. But then, the Zionist project undermined this because Holocaust got associated with the Nakba, i.e. Jews had to ethnically cleanse Palestinians to have a homeland cuz of Holocaust. And so many famous Holocaust Survivors waved the Zionist flag. So, Holocaust Cult, which could have been universalist with Jews as moral arbiters, turned into a narrow Jewish Nationalist Agenda. And when Palestinians began to call Nakba a form of 'genocide' and when people began to draw parallels between Israeli Right and Nazism, the universalist arc of post WWII Jewish narrative began to fall apart.

    In many colleges, many non-white and even white students no longer see Jews or Israel as beacons of anything. Mainline churches are moving toward pro-Palestinianism.

    Israel also alienated the Prog elements of Democratic community when its right-wing regime became too close to the GOP. And when Boehner invited Netanyahu to come to US and kick Obama in the butt in front of Congress, many progs were seething. And Hillary was NOT helped by reaching out to Neocons, the very people who pushed Iraq War. It even made the Green Party repudiate her. #NeverTrump is seen as #AlwaysWar.

    Though GOP elites, like Democratic elites, are totally pro-Jewish and pro-Israel, there's also grumbling about Jews on the Right. Far Right is almost non-existent in the US. I don't see KKK or neo-Nazis anywhere. But the purged Paleocons began to associate Neocons with a policy that was too insanely pro-Israel, thus getting US needlessly mired in the Middle East.
    Alt Right(a very small but very vocal movement) went further by asking why white people should 'cuck' out to Israel and Zionism when so many Jews are so hostile to white interests in both EU and US. Alt Right has no genuine sympathy for Palestinians. They just see it as an opportunity to stick it to Jews: If Jews use 'white guilt' to paralyze whites, whites should use 'Jewish guilt' to paralyze Jews.

    Israel and Jewish issue just count for more in the US because Jews are powerful. So, Jews get a lot of positive press, especially as media are controlled by Jews. But because of this great power, there is increasing criticism of Jewish power, even among some Jews who fear that the bad Jews are dragging Jewish reputation through the mud with too many wars and Wall Street shenanigans.

    Also, we must keep in mind that even though Israel didn't kill a lot of people(compared to other brutal regimes in Africa and Middle East and Asia), Jewish Empire did kill a lot of people. Because Jews didn't have a nation of their own prior to Israel, all the Jewish aggressions and mass-killings got subsumed into national narratives. So, if Jewish Russians as Bolsheviks participated in the killing of millions, it got blamed on 'Russia'. If Jews sold opium to the Chinese and ruined many lives, it got blamed on Great Britain. So, if Jews played an instrumental role in pushing US toward destroying Libya, it just got blamed on Obama and 'NATO'. So, if Jews played a key role in pushing for the Iraq War and Syria War that led to deaths of 100,000s, it just got blamed on "US policy". But Jews played a key role in all those.
    So, Jewish Power is responsible for the deaths of many more lives. Imagine if Chinese minority controlled India and drove India to war against Pakistan in which a million died. History books might say India fought Pakistan. But who were really behind it?
    Maybe this worldwide Jewish Power should be called Freedonia. Freedonia invokes 'democracy' and 'human rights' to smash all nations standing in the way of tribal interest. The body count of Freedonia in the 20th century is very very high.

    Homomania is also a Jewish agenda, and it has destroyed American Culture. What kind of a moral nation goes gaga in massive parades over guys banging each other in the ass? 'Gay' agenda went for pursuit of tolerance(justified) to mandatory worship of the Homo Ass. But moral folks blame homos and not Jews when Jewish power made homomania possible.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSsUoxlSADk

    Indeed, the homo stuff goes to show that victimhood depends on the politics of victimhood. In any society, the real victims can be vilified as 'oppressors' while oppressors can pose as 'victims'. Look at China in the 1960s. Mao had presided over the horrible Great Leap Forward. He'd victimized so many people. But he had the power, so he got to play the victim. You see, all these 'capitalist roaders' were out to get him and the true revolutionaries, so the Red Guards had to kick their butts. Millions died in the Cultural Revolution that ensued. Or, look at Nazi Germany with Hitler always crying butthurt abut German victimhood while invading other nations and killing people all over. But Nazis had the power of narrative over the German Empire.

    So, politics of victimhood is really about who-has-the-power-to-cry-victim.

    In the US, homos have it so good, but they are one of the three holy victims.
    In Obama's speech about 'genocide', he will mention Holocaust, slavery.. and 'homophobia'. So, we are to believe that the closeting of homos in the past was some great super-tragedy. And of course, we must make believe that all those AIDS deaths resulted from Reagan than homos banging each other all over the place. Holy Victims are never to be blamed.

    As for blacks in the 20th century, yeah they had bum times due to discrimination and Jim Crow laws and etc. But when we compare that the real horrors in Russia, Poland, China, Vietnam, and other parts of the world where millions perished in horrible circumstances, black experience in the 20th century hardly amounts to a plate of beans. But according to US mythology, Selma is bigger than the Great Famine in Ukraine or US carpet-bombing of civilians in other nations.
    And since US controls the global narrative, many people around the world know more about Selma than about truly great horrors. Selma is bigger than Rwanda, Killing Fields of Cambodia, Armenian mass killing at hands of Turks, US sanctions that killed so many kids in Iraq.

    It's just how the politics of victimhood works. Those with the power decide who is and isn't a victim.

    BUT, because there is still a good deal of free speech in the US and the rising power of the internet, counter-narratives can gain momentum, and BDS is one of those things. The powers-that-be, Hillary and Trump, both try to crush it. Even Bill Blasio has no use for it. BUT, there are rising voices because it is only natural for those without power to focus their attacks on those with power.

    There are some who support Palestinians out of genuine compassion for those people and genuine investment in the issue.
    There are some who do so because they see it as an indirect way to attack Jewish Power that they see as the main enemy.

    It's all very complicated but it boils down to "Is it good for us?"
  75. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Rehmat
    Nope Sharon - you need to read Jewish brothers of yours such as Gilad atzmon, Roger Tucker, Paul eisen, Steve Lendman, etc. to find out how evil you people are.


    “Judaism is NOT a religion of peace? Christianity and Islam are indeed religions of peace – in their official ideology that is, though by no means always in practice – but Judaism doesn’t even make such a claim. You only have to look at our religious texts to know that," said Eisen....

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/03/10/paul-eisen-judaism-is-not-religion-of-peace/

    ” Ramhole the Takkiya Troll ” . Wasn’t it just yesterday that you were dedicating your posts to calling Christians ” Child molesters ” ??

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    Hmmmmm - I didn't know I'm a major shareholder of NYT, WSJ, WT, Jewish Chronicle, etc. which are obsessed with sex in Christian churches. Well, I guess I have to make a call to my maternal Jewish uncle Rupert Murdoch to find out the truth ....

    But, may I remind the readers here that UK's Chief Rabbi Mirvis admitted last year that Western Jewish communities were loaded with child molesters ....

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/11/25/uk-chief-rabbi-admits-epidemic-child-sexual-abuse/
  76. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @alexander
    Anon,

    Since you seem to be quite up to date on the murderous activities of "assorted " states..

    How many people has ISIS murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Nusra murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Qaeda murdered in Syria ?

    How many people in Iraq were murdered because Americans were LIED into killing them ?

    If you do not have the answers..if you CANNOT answer ....if you choose NOT to answer..then it is clear to EVERYONE , you are a total fraud and a complete tool.

    And none of us should pay much attention to your statistical competence.


    Because you are a FRAUD .

    How many people has ISIS murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Nusra murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Qaeda murdered in Syria ?

    ISLAMIC State in Iraq and Syria has been credited with murdering 50,000 .As far as the other 2 , I have not seen any figures but lets assume that its also 50,000 each .That equals 150,000 killed by those ISLAMIC groups in Syria.

    Another way to put it is that its is about 10% of the amount of Darfuris killed by the regime of The ISLAMIC Republic of Sudan .( 1.2 Million ) .

    Yet another way to put it is that it is about 33% of the amount of Papuans killed by The ISLAMIC Regime of Indonesia . (550,000)

    Yet another way to put it is that it is about 10% of the amount of South Sudanese killed by the ISLAMIC republic of Sudan in its recently ended civil war and lets not forget something that you would love the world to forget , The Janjaweed Rape militia tasked with raping the black population for ethnic cleansing efforts and to arabize the population .

    Here is a succinct way of putting it. Its the same amount of Chechens killed by Russia in its occupation of Chenchnya.

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    I'm not sure what you are arguing here - that Muslims are responsible for more violent deaths than Jews around the world? Guilty as charged.

    That is of course the case, since we outnumber Jews 80 or 90 to 1 - proportionally, Muslims would have to murder 80 to 90 people per one murder by a Jewish person just to keep the ratios even. And many of those conflicts are inter-Muslim conflicts - like in Darfur or Syria - nobody is talking about the way European Jews treat Ethiopian Jews here because that is an inter-Jewish issue:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32577452

    So let's stay on point. The Zionists have a massively disproportionate influence in driving US policy in the Middle East - the exposure of which is the topic of this article. This matters most to the people here because we are more morally responsible for speaking out due to our tax dollars being used to finance Palestinian dispossession. Our tax dollars have done zero work in oppressing either Darfuris or Papuans. The plight of Darfuris and Papuans (and others) should be made known - that is a noble cause - but to use those crimes as a smokescreen for the crimes of Israel is not.

    Peace.
  77. @anon
    Hello Talha,
    Your argument is a bit of a red herring , as I never made any comment one way or the other regarding Saudi or Israeli involvement in Syria. Perhaps you have me confused with another commenter .

    My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia is allowed to get away with bloody murder without so much as a squeak of media or international scrutiny . As has Sudan , Mauritania , Iran , Turkey and others. But lets take an example here to its logical conclusion .

    Indonesia has been occupying West Papua since 1963 ( 4 years longer than Israel/Palestine).
    Indonesia is occupying 55,000 square miles of West Papua ( 53,000 more square miles than Israel/Palestine) .Indonesia has killed 550,000 Papuans in the time of its occupation (Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians ) . Im not going to write a dissertation here and Ill keep it brief by not giving the corresponding embarrassing statistics for Sudan ,Iran ,Morocco , &c.

    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua , I wonder if you would stand for a total media black out in West Bank ?

    In the end you are right we will all pay for our crimes . And the larger the crime the larger the price that will be exacted . Doesn't bode well for the followers of Muhamad.

    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua

    Location, location, location! If you want to commit genocide as an ally of the US (like Indonesia) then do so in some remote area of the world – don’t do that in the land that is central to three major religions – that’s just stupid. Go kill a bunch of people in some place in Africa like the Congo and nobody will bat an eye:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivu_conflict

    But God’s keeping count so I wouldn’t recommend it. Payback is going to hurt, it’s going to hurt real bad.

    Doesn’t bode well for the followers of Muhamad.

    Unfortunately not, many Muslims have far too much blood on our hands. Everyone answers individually for their crimes in the afterlife – we don’t believe in vicarious atonement. So – take away; don’t oppress others. And don’t throw up dust in front of your crimes with the crimes of others.

    Peace.

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  78. @anon
    Hello Talha,
    Your argument is a bit of a red herring , as I never made any comment one way or the other regarding Saudi or Israeli involvement in Syria. Perhaps you have me confused with another commenter .

    My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia is allowed to get away with bloody murder without so much as a squeak of media or international scrutiny . As has Sudan , Mauritania , Iran , Turkey and others. But lets take an example here to its logical conclusion .

    Indonesia has been occupying West Papua since 1963 ( 4 years longer than Israel/Palestine).
    Indonesia is occupying 55,000 square miles of West Papua ( 53,000 more square miles than Israel/Palestine) .Indonesia has killed 550,000 Papuans in the time of its occupation (Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians ) . Im not going to write a dissertation here and Ill keep it brief by not giving the corresponding embarrassing statistics for Sudan ,Iran ,Morocco , &c.

    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua , I wonder if you would stand for a total media black out in West Bank ?

    In the end you are right we will all pay for our crimes . And the larger the crime the larger the price that will be exacted . Doesn't bode well for the followers of Muhamad.

    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua,

    There is a simple explanation for this – i.e., the West Papuans must have a stranglehold on the MSM in the US.

    I wonder if you would stand for a total media black out in West Bank?

    Was this meant to be a rhetorical question?

    Palestinians under the curse of a media blackout

    http://www.herald.co.zw/palestinians-under-the-curse-of-a-media-blackout/

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  79. @Art

    So Jews are rich and smart and powerful and organized and determined?

    Sounds good to me!
     
    So Jews are greedy, dishonest, malicious, tribal, hateful liars.

    Sounds truthful to me!

    p.s. Say Sherm - as a Jew, have you ever wondered what it would be like to love humanity?

    p.s. Hmm - dumb question - loving humanity requires a certain bigness of character.

    Some of the best humans beings were Jewish. For example, the great philosophers Baruch Spinoza and Ludwig Wittgenstein, pediatrician Janusz Korczak, great pianist Maria Yudina, formidable intellectuals Hanna Arendt and Albert Einstein… In humans, goodness and evil are not ethnically selective.
    It is much more rational and useful to focus on the expression of evil in Ziocons than to besmirch the whole ethnic group. What does make Dick Cheney better than Jill Stein?

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    Some of the best humans beings were Jewish. For example, the great philosophers Baruch Spinoza and Ludwig Wittgenstein, pediatrician Janusz Korczak, great pianist Maria Yudina, formidable intellectuals Hanna Arendt and Albert Einstein…
     
    annamaria,

    Yes - Jews can be good and talented people. When they did what they did, most of the people you sighted were part of Western culture - Western philosophy, Western science, Western music - NOT Jew culture.

    Here is Jew culture at work. Westerners did not kill Rachel Cory, Westerners did not destroy Joe Sobran’s life, Westerners did not steal 10-years out of Mel Gibson’s productive life.

    Jews did all those things.

    Only when they are held accountable as Jews - will these outrages stop.

    Peace

    Art
  80. @Rehmat
    Nope Sharon - you need to read Jewish brothers of yours such as Gilad atzmon, Roger Tucker, Paul eisen, Steve Lendman, etc. to find out how evil you people are.


    “Judaism is NOT a religion of peace? Christianity and Islam are indeed religions of peace – in their official ideology that is, though by no means always in practice – but Judaism doesn’t even make such a claim. You only have to look at our religious texts to know that," said Eisen....

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/03/10/paul-eisen-judaism-is-not-religion-of-peace/

    There are to many caveats for nominating the official Christianity a religion of peace, unfortunately…

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  81. @anon
    Hello Talha,
    Your argument is a bit of a red herring , as I never made any comment one way or the other regarding Saudi or Israeli involvement in Syria. Perhaps you have me confused with another commenter .

    My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia is allowed to get away with bloody murder without so much as a squeak of media or international scrutiny . As has Sudan , Mauritania , Iran , Turkey and others. But lets take an example here to its logical conclusion .

    Indonesia has been occupying West Papua since 1963 ( 4 years longer than Israel/Palestine).
    Indonesia is occupying 55,000 square miles of West Papua ( 53,000 more square miles than Israel/Palestine) .Indonesia has killed 550,000 Papuans in the time of its occupation (Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians ) . Im not going to write a dissertation here and Ill keep it brief by not giving the corresponding embarrassing statistics for Sudan ,Iran ,Morocco , &c.

    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua , I wonder if you would stand for a total media black out in West Bank ?

    In the end you are right we will all pay for our crimes . And the larger the crime the larger the price that will be exacted . Doesn't bode well for the followers of Muhamad.

    “My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia…”

    This is an old bullet point. And here is an old answer to it: Israel has been pretending to be an arbiter if justice and humanness. Have you seen an Indonesian museum plastered with “never again” in the ways that designed to shame each and every European country? Or have the individual Indonesians demanded considerable reparations, for “special sufferings,” from other states – as Jewish individuals have been demanding (and receiving) from the ruined Germany? There is no Indonesian Lobby that guides the US money&power towards supporting the Indonesian statehood and expansion for the expense of Indonesian neighbors. There is also no institutional cover of Indonesian crimes, pushed by Indonesia-firsters in the US. Hope that you have got the picture. Israel has been receiving much attention because it extracts too much money and moral capital from the US and because it talks to much about its exceptionality (even the immoral IDF is called “the most moral” army). A harsh but just word for Israel (and Ziocons) is “parasitoid.”

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  82. @Wizard of Oz
    .,..and Israel Firsters anti-American????

    … and Israel Firsters anti-American????

    Hey, Wiz. Have you read this article, ‘NY Jewish Week’ speaks bluntly of ‘Israel firsters’ in US politics, by Philip Weiss?

    Here are a few excerpts:

    It’s good that American Jews will begin openly saying of other Jews that their first loyalty is Israel. It makes such a stance untenable: it will make it impossible for people who act on “what they believe is best for Israel” to hold high position in foreign policy-making in the U.S. government.

    Talking about dual loyalty was verboten for a good 30 years, ever since Gore Vidal attacked the Podhoretzes for dual loyalty in the Nation, and the scorn turned on Vidal; and the charge was said to be an anti-Semitic canard about the international Jew. (Scott McConnell treats that story in his new book Ex-Neocon). But the problem still exists; the existence of Israel Firsters was an important factor in the drive to go to war in Iraq, and in opposition to the Iran deal; and in order to fight that crowd, you have to be able to state publicly what they’re up to. A great number of American Jews have pointed out the dual loyalty problem, from Rabbi Melissa Weintraub to Peter Beinart to John Judis to Eric Alterman (list here). Last year Chuck Schumer told a Jewish audience there was a difference between American interests and Jewish interests over the Iran deal, and he had to back the American interest, and then he voted against the deal, and some charged dual loyalty. Of course the issue is inherent in the rise of the neoconservatives, as both Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol said in the 1970s that there was a “Jewish interest” (Kristol’s words) in the U.S. having a big defense budget so that it could help Israel. Some of those advocates became White House aides. Elliott Abrams said that Jews must stand apart from any society they are in except Israel, and he helped make US Middle East policy. And just last month Dennis Ross, the longtime peace processor, told a New York Jewish audience in what was presented as an off-the-record discussion that American Jews “need to be advocates for Israel” and not for Palestinians.

    So it’s good an American Jewish publication is acknowledging the question. Maybe we can have a mature conversation about the true agenda of many advocates in the Israel lobby at last. Maybe Dennis Ross won’t be considered to be the next secretary of state.

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/#sthash.BxjBl176.dpuf

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/

    So, Wiz, what do you think of the saying – No one can serve two masters – do you agree with or disagree with it?

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    "No one can serve two masters"

    "Actually, dual loyalty would be an improvement"
    http://www.sobran.com/columns/2003/030218.shtml
    , @mcohen
    mondoweiss .......did you say mondoweiss.

    the phillip and the annie and let us not forget mooser ....................... .pardon me while i unbuckle my chuckle.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    My frivolous quip with no point of view implied has led to your substantial question.

    Of course the literal truth is that a person can serve two masters but in some, possibly in some cases most, cases there will be conflict in attempting gto serve both at the same time. And of course if you are employed and paid by the US there should be no question of anyone outside your own home being able to give you orders.

    Also dual or multiple loyalties are possible even if we exclude the cases of family and nation.

    I am sure there are lots of clever Jews who convince themselves with careful sophisticated argument that they can reconcile dual loyalties but what I think you point to is the need to be suspicious of such people's arguments and maybe reports if the issues are important enough. As the existence of Israel in an Arab ME clearly is. Even the inevitable residual loyalties of immigrants and such loyalties as Catholic policemen may have shown by burying complaints against priests can't be denied but simply aren't important enough to make a big issue out of. Even the subsidies to Israel might be dismissed with a shrug but getting billions spent on wars in which tens of thousands of Americans are killed or maimed might be regarded as crossing a line.

    I appreciated the link #90 as. I think you would.

  83. @Art
    Jews rarely had the kind of influence at the apex of our societies like they did in European societies

    Talha,

    Exactly - it is when you give a Jew power that the trouble starts. They just cannot resist using it to their zero-sum advantage.

    Doing business with a Jew is OK if you keep them at arm’s length. With a Jew, it must be “pay as you go.” When the transaction is completed, there must be zero entanglement going forward. Make no long-term contract with a Jew - he will take advantage of you.

    The Jew’s number one tactic to overtake a culture is usury (debt and interest). The Muslin religion forbids usury - thus they could get along.

    Peace

    Art

    > The Muslin religion forbids usury

    no. Sharia forbids “riba” – ANY rental fee for the use of money. Reference:

    http://www.islamic-banking.com/prohibition_of_interest.aspx

    Now, the laws of physics and of economics cannot be repealed by guys whose picture you’re not allowed to draw. Hence, Islamic Banking has come up with a myriad of ways to disguise the rental-fee on money.

    the Rabbinate has a similar racket going on with the “shabbos goy” schtick, so I do not approach the topic to attack the Muslims (I only do that for the apostasy laws)

    It is probably safe to say that Islamic Insurance was the internediate ancestor of today’s “Cat Bonds”… ie, a debt which is extinguished if any of a named set of catastrophies falls upon the borrower. “Intermediate” because the Greeks and their forbears already had “bottomage”.

    As an aside, folks who claim that Zionism is a pure invention, will have to explain the existence of the Karaites who go all the way back to Herod’s Temple, and actually even more the case, the Shomronim (“Samaritans”) who appear to actually go back to Joshua’s conquest of Canaan – and who NEVER LEFT northern Israel. Moses and Joshua would be able to read the Samaritan’s Torah scrolls; unlike the Judeans, the Samaritans never adopted the Aramaic alphabet.

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    Karl,

    Thanks for the financial history. Could care less about ancient tribal history.

    I am pissed off at the murderers of Rachel Cory, and the people who took 10-years out of Mel Gibson’s productive life, and who control the US congress, and who brought 9/11 to our shores --- now who are they - name the tribe.

    Peace

    Art
  84. @geokat62

    ... and Israel Firsters anti-American????
     
    Hey, Wiz. Have you read this article, ‘NY Jewish Week’ speaks bluntly of ‘Israel firsters’ in US politics, by Philip Weiss?

    Here are a few excerpts:

    It’s good that American Jews will begin openly saying of other Jews that their first loyalty is Israel. It makes such a stance untenable: it will make it impossible for people who act on “what they believe is best for Israel” to hold high position in foreign policy-making in the U.S. government.

    Talking about dual loyalty was verboten for a good 30 years, ever since Gore Vidal attacked the Podhoretzes for dual loyalty in the Nation, and the scorn turned on Vidal; and the charge was said to be an anti-Semitic canard about the international Jew. (Scott McConnell treats that story in his new book Ex-Neocon). But the problem still exists; the existence of Israel Firsters was an important factor in the drive to go to war in Iraq, and in opposition to the Iran deal; and in order to fight that crowd, you have to be able to state publicly what they’re up to. A great number of American Jews have pointed out the dual loyalty problem, from Rabbi Melissa Weintraub to Peter Beinart to John Judis to Eric Alterman (list here). Last year Chuck Schumer told a Jewish audience there was a difference between American interests and Jewish interests over the Iran deal, and he had to back the American interest, and then he voted against the deal, and some charged dual loyalty. Of course the issue is inherent in the rise of the neoconservatives, as both Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol said in the 1970s that there was a “Jewish interest” (Kristol’s words) in the U.S. having a big defense budget so that it could help Israel. Some of those advocates became White House aides. Elliott Abrams said that Jews must stand apart from any society they are in except Israel, and he helped make US Middle East policy. And just last month Dennis Ross, the longtime peace processor, told a New York Jewish audience in what was presented as an off-the-record discussion that American Jews “need to be advocates for Israel” and not for Palestinians.

    So it’s good an American Jewish publication is acknowledging the question. Maybe we can have a mature conversation about the true agenda of many advocates in the Israel lobby at last. Maybe Dennis Ross won’t be considered to be the next secretary of state.

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/#sthash.BxjBl176.dpuf

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/
     
    So, Wiz, what do you think of the saying - No one can serve two masters - do you agree with or disagree with it?

    “No one can serve two masters”

    “Actually, dual loyalty would be an improvement”

    http://www.sobran.com/columns/2003/030218.shtml

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    “Actually, dual loyalty would be an improvement"
     
    Good article. I would have included the sentence that followed:

    "It would mean putting American interests ahead of Israeli interests every once in a while."

  85. @Talha
    Hey Art!

    The Muslin religion forbids usury
     
    So did Christianity for centuries - you guys really need to get that train back on track!

    Full disclosure; Muslims historically didn't let any of the religious minorities to break a certain ceiling when it came to governance, administration, military strategy, etc. Including Christians or Zoroastrians, etc. - it was not considered sound policy. So the restriction was not just for Jews. It was assumed that one could indeed rely on and benefit from the skills of non-Muslim minorities, but giving some one the keys to one's civilizational and cultural castle was not something one did with respect to a person who may not be fully on board with the overarching ethos and vision of that same civilization. So for instance, there was no way you would see 3 Jewish people sitting on the chief judicial body of the land (as on the current Supreme Court) - of course they had their own court system so it didn't really matter.

    I personally wouldn't think it would be 'oppressive' to restrict certain positions of government (executive, judicial, military, etc.) from being held by Muslims due to similar concerns. Of course, one would have to overturn historic practice (Article 6) - and it might be unequal, but certainly not 'oppressive' - except in the minds of SJWs.

    Peace.

    By the way, we haven't heard from 'Moshe' lately, is he cooking tonight or just in charge of salad?

    By the way, we haven’t heard from ‘Moshe’ lately, is he cooking tonight or just in charge of salad?

    Hi Talha,

    Moshe is my dinner mate here at the home. Nice dinner tonight — beef stew with gravy, potatoes, carrots, celery, and onions. A green salad on the side and chocolate pudding for desert. It was all good.

    Moshe went to the movies this afternoon – saw “Hack Saw Ridge.” Said it was great. A war movie, but the hero was a conscientious objector.

    Peace

    Art

    p.s. He is mad at his Jew people for their ten-year attack on Mel Gibson. What a shame, the whole movie going world was coerced and robed of his talents.

    p.s. Moshe was wondering if Shama and iffen, like him, had found their senses and given up on Judaism and Zionism?

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    Hey Art,

    Sounds delicious! Thank Moshe for the film recommendation - I rarely watch film or TV so I'm always on the look out for something that will be well worth my time.

    Peace.
  86. @Gabriel M
    Yeah that's the chief problem everyone has with Muslim settlement: halal meat, and this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

    Save the children indeed.

    But of course, it woz the Jews what made you do it, just like they make you wage war in Chechnya, the Sudan, Kashmir, Nigeria, Xinjiang, Cote D'Ivoire, Bosnia, Kosovo and, oh look, absolutely everywhere you are close in proximity to any other group of people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

    Save the Children. LOLZ. Aren't you funny.

    By using Israeli filth Wikipedia – you keep on proving that you’re as much a shameless liar as Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, daughter of UK’s paedophile Holohoaxer Lord Janner.

    On August 28, 2016 Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner daughter of notorious British paedophile Lord Greville Janner requested that the allegations against her father be moved to the Civil Court where proceedings have been issued and where they can be thoroughly tested and disproven.

    More than 30 people have made claims against Lord Janner over alleged sexual abuse offences between 1955 and 1988. Lawyers for the alleged victims say their clients have been waiting years for justice.

    Last December, British Jewish media claimed that Lord Janner died after a long illness before his court appearance on charges of sexual abuse of several orphan Jewish children. However, several British bloggers claimed that Lord Janner faked his death in order to escape justice….

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/08/29/rabbi-laura-defends-her-paedophile-father-janner/

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  87. Thank you Stephen Gniegoski, and to Unz Review for this great book review of Alison Weir’s book.

    Which I will get a copy of soon! This article by Gniegoski by itself has awoke my interest in the subject of how and why there was ever a thing called Israel.

    Looking forward for the book, just this article by Stephen G. is a great work which will fill in many of the blanks… and provide footnotes for CSakes. We will get to know how that developments came about, because of many new allusions, but more is that she puts this out as a normal lay person who is not part of the usual academic phony spoils system BS.

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  88. Stephen J. Sniegoski Ph.D, author of 2003 book ‘The War on Iraq: Conceived in Israel‘ wrote about Obama, Iran and Israel Lobby in July 2012: “President Obama will continue his policy of drift toward war with Iran,” at least until after the November election. Should he be re-elected, perhaps he would change in his second term, but he still must consider the effect such a move would have on the political success of his second term, his legacy, and, as a relatively young man, his career after the presidency, all of which could be seriously jeopardized by his taking positions that run afoul of the Israel Lobby.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/10/06/obama-iran-and-israel-lobby/

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  89. I’m a huge supporter of Zionism. The only defect is they haven’t all moved there.

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  90. @utu
    "No one can serve two masters"

    "Actually, dual loyalty would be an improvement"
    http://www.sobran.com/columns/2003/030218.shtml

    “Actually, dual loyalty would be an improvement”

    Good article. I would have included the sentence that followed:

    “It would mean putting American interests ahead of Israeli interests every once in a while.”

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  91. @Vinnie
    You fail to mention that Lord Balfour was himself a Jew. So even in England, you had a Jewish person writing the official position of the entire British Empire on a narrow but troublesome topic. And of course there were many Christian Fundamentalists, both in England and the US, who believed, and still believe, that giving the Biblical lands to modern Jews is required by Christian prophecy.

    I am not sure if Balfour was a Jew but at least his immediate subordinate who as I understand it actually wrote the declaration was Leopold Amery who was a SECRET JEW. Posing as a Christian all the while being a JEW.

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    If you don't know who Balfour was -and you clearly don't - then your calling Leo Amery a "secret Jew" is so absurd as to mark you as someone whose intellect is capable of nothing more than crude anti-Semitism. His mother's family were Hungarian Jewish turned British Protestants and he angicised his baptismal name of Motitz to Maurice. Some secrecy when he spoke Hungarian, Bulgarian and Turkish which would tend to stick out a bit at Harrow, Balliol, All Souls and government service....!
  92. […] “Review: “Against Our Better Judgment”” by Stephen J. Sniegoski. Worth the read as it is a good summary of the awful series of conspiracies behind the theft. […]

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  93. @annamaria
    Some of the best humans beings were Jewish. For example, the great philosophers Baruch Spinoza and Ludwig Wittgenstein, pediatrician Janusz Korczak, great pianist Maria Yudina, formidable intellectuals Hanna Arendt and Albert Einstein... In humans, goodness and evil are not ethnically selective.
    It is much more rational and useful to focus on the expression of evil in Ziocons than to besmirch the whole ethnic group. What does make Dick Cheney better than Jill Stein?

    Some of the best humans beings were Jewish. For example, the great philosophers Baruch Spinoza and Ludwig Wittgenstein, pediatrician Janusz Korczak, great pianist Maria Yudina, formidable intellectuals Hanna Arendt and Albert Einstein…

    annamaria,

    Yes – Jews can be good and talented people. When they did what they did, most of the people you sighted were part of Western culture – Western philosophy, Western science, Western music – NOT Jew culture.

    Here is Jew culture at work. Westerners did not kill Rachel Cory, Westerners did not destroy Joe Sobran’s life, Westerners did not steal 10-years out of Mel Gibson’s productive life.

    Jews did all those things.

    Only when they are held accountable as Jews – will these outrages stop.

    Peace

    Art

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    peace art

    you spelt rachel cory wrong ...it is corrie.

    at least get the spelling right you twat.

    piss art
  94. British-Jewish collaboration in America ahead of and during WW2 provides another perspective on these lobbying and public relations efforts. The Brits secretly backed a key Jewish news agency, JTA, to help recruit America into war. Jews were strong anti-Nazis, and so were strong friends of British espionage. Look up British Security Coordination and William Stephenson.

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  95. @Karl
    > The Muslin religion forbids usury

    no. Sharia forbids "riba" - ANY rental fee for the use of money. Reference:

    http://www.islamic-banking.com/prohibition_of_interest.aspx


    Now, the laws of physics and of economics cannot be repealed by guys whose picture you're not allowed to draw. Hence, Islamic Banking has come up with a myriad of ways to disguise the rental-fee on money.

    the Rabbinate has a similar racket going on with the "shabbos goy" schtick, so I do not approach the topic to attack the Muslims (I only do that for the apostasy laws)

    It is probably safe to say that Islamic Insurance was the internediate ancestor of today's "Cat Bonds"... ie, a debt which is extinguished if any of a named set of catastrophies falls upon the borrower. "Intermediate" because the Greeks and their forbears already had "bottomage".

    As an aside, folks who claim that Zionism is a pure invention, will have to explain the existence of the Karaites who go all the way back to Herod's Temple, and actually even more the case, the Shomronim ("Samaritans") who appear to actually go back to Joshua's conquest of Canaan - and who NEVER LEFT northern Israel. Moses and Joshua would be able to read the Samaritan's Torah scrolls; unlike the Judeans, the Samaritans never adopted the Aramaic alphabet.

    Karl,

    Thanks for the financial history. Could care less about ancient tribal history.

    I am pissed off at the murderers of Rachel Cory, and the people who took 10-years out of Mel Gibson’s productive life, and who control the US congress, and who brought 9/11 to our shores — now who are they – name the tribe.

    Peace

    Art

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  96. @Art

    Some of the best humans beings were Jewish. For example, the great philosophers Baruch Spinoza and Ludwig Wittgenstein, pediatrician Janusz Korczak, great pianist Maria Yudina, formidable intellectuals Hanna Arendt and Albert Einstein…
     
    annamaria,

    Yes - Jews can be good and talented people. When they did what they did, most of the people you sighted were part of Western culture - Western philosophy, Western science, Western music - NOT Jew culture.

    Here is Jew culture at work. Westerners did not kill Rachel Cory, Westerners did not destroy Joe Sobran’s life, Westerners did not steal 10-years out of Mel Gibson’s productive life.

    Jews did all those things.

    Only when they are held accountable as Jews - will these outrages stop.

    Peace

    Art

    peace art

    you spelt rachel cory wrong …it is corrie.

    at least get the spelling right you twat.

    piss art

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    peace art

    you spelt rachel cory wrong …it is corrie.

    at least get the spelling right you twat.

    piss art
     
    I can fix my spelling - how do you fix your killing?

    Are you a brainstem addled 10-year-old?

    Peace - Art
  97. @geokat62

    ... and Israel Firsters anti-American????
     
    Hey, Wiz. Have you read this article, ‘NY Jewish Week’ speaks bluntly of ‘Israel firsters’ in US politics, by Philip Weiss?

    Here are a few excerpts:

    It’s good that American Jews will begin openly saying of other Jews that their first loyalty is Israel. It makes such a stance untenable: it will make it impossible for people who act on “what they believe is best for Israel” to hold high position in foreign policy-making in the U.S. government.

    Talking about dual loyalty was verboten for a good 30 years, ever since Gore Vidal attacked the Podhoretzes for dual loyalty in the Nation, and the scorn turned on Vidal; and the charge was said to be an anti-Semitic canard about the international Jew. (Scott McConnell treats that story in his new book Ex-Neocon). But the problem still exists; the existence of Israel Firsters was an important factor in the drive to go to war in Iraq, and in opposition to the Iran deal; and in order to fight that crowd, you have to be able to state publicly what they’re up to. A great number of American Jews have pointed out the dual loyalty problem, from Rabbi Melissa Weintraub to Peter Beinart to John Judis to Eric Alterman (list here). Last year Chuck Schumer told a Jewish audience there was a difference between American interests and Jewish interests over the Iran deal, and he had to back the American interest, and then he voted against the deal, and some charged dual loyalty. Of course the issue is inherent in the rise of the neoconservatives, as both Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol said in the 1970s that there was a “Jewish interest” (Kristol’s words) in the U.S. having a big defense budget so that it could help Israel. Some of those advocates became White House aides. Elliott Abrams said that Jews must stand apart from any society they are in except Israel, and he helped make US Middle East policy. And just last month Dennis Ross, the longtime peace processor, told a New York Jewish audience in what was presented as an off-the-record discussion that American Jews “need to be advocates for Israel” and not for Palestinians.

    So it’s good an American Jewish publication is acknowledging the question. Maybe we can have a mature conversation about the true agenda of many advocates in the Israel lobby at last. Maybe Dennis Ross won’t be considered to be the next secretary of state.

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/#sthash.BxjBl176.dpuf

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/
     
    So, Wiz, what do you think of the saying - No one can serve two masters - do you agree with or disagree with it?

    mondoweiss …….did you say mondoweiss.

    the phillip and the annie and let us not forget mooser ………………….. .pardon me while i unbuckle my chuckle.

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    mondoweiss …….did you say mondoweiss.
     
    Yes, Mondoweiss.

    the Yonah Fredman and the Krauss and let us not forget Hophmi
  98. Ah yes…

    Hence, Islamic Banking has come up with a myriad of ways to disguise the rental-fee on money.

    This is a very old argument:
    “…That is because they say, ‘Trade is [just] like interest.’ But God has permitted trade and has forbidden interest…” 2:275

    On paper, I can teach my 15 year-old to write up the numbers for any long-term Islamic transaction to mimic a normal interest-bearing one. That can be quite useful actually when one wants to claim tax benefits against ‘interest’ payments – but the mechanics are quite different. Just like, on paper, Jim and Bob cohabiting together and raising children can be made to like a normal marriage – but the mechanics are quite different.

    Prohibition of interest/usury is beyond the scope of simply buying a car or house with a non-interest transaction. It is way bigger…without the mechanism of interest, the following is not possible:
    1) Fiat currency
    2) Manipulation of fiat currencies
    3) Derivative markets
    4) Government debt financing (aka borrowing on the backs of future generations)
    4.a) Includes, but is not limited to, expeditionary wars we cannot pay for

    “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around (these banks) will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” – Thomas Jefferson

    I could go on, but I think people get my point.

    Peace.

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  99. @Art
    By the way, we haven’t heard from ‘Moshe’ lately, is he cooking tonight or just in charge of salad?

    Hi Talha,

    Moshe is my dinner mate here at the home. Nice dinner tonight --- beef stew with gravy, potatoes, carrots, celery, and onions. A green salad on the side and chocolate pudding for desert. It was all good.

    Moshe went to the movies this afternoon - saw “Hack Saw Ridge.” Said it was great. A war movie, but the hero was a conscientious objector.

    Peace

    Art

    p.s. He is mad at his Jew people for their ten-year attack on Mel Gibson. What a shame, the whole movie going world was coerced and robed of his talents.

    p.s. Moshe was wondering if Shama and iffen, like him, had found their senses and given up on Judaism and Zionism?

    Hey Art,

    Sounds delicious! Thank Moshe for the film recommendation – I rarely watch film or TV so I’m always on the look out for something that will be well worth my time.

    Peace.

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  100. @anon

    How many people has ISIS murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Nusra murdered in Syria ?

    How many people has Al Qaeda murdered in Syria ?
     
    ISLAMIC State in Iraq and Syria has been credited with murdering 50,000 .As far as the other 2 , I have not seen any figures but lets assume that its also 50,000 each .That equals 150,000 killed by those ISLAMIC groups in Syria.

    Another way to put it is that its is about 10% of the amount of Darfuris killed by the regime of The ISLAMIC Republic of Sudan .( 1.2 Million ) .

    Yet another way to put it is that it is about 33% of the amount of Papuans killed by The ISLAMIC Regime of Indonesia . (550,000)

    Yet another way to put it is that it is about 10% of the amount of South Sudanese killed by the ISLAMIC republic of Sudan in its recently ended civil war and lets not forget something that you would love the world to forget , The Janjaweed Rape militia tasked with raping the black population for ethnic cleansing efforts and to arabize the population .

    Here is a succinct way of putting it. Its the same amount of Chechens killed by Russia in its occupation of Chenchnya.

    I’m not sure what you are arguing here – that Muslims are responsible for more violent deaths than Jews around the world? Guilty as charged.

    That is of course the case, since we outnumber Jews 80 or 90 to 1 – proportionally, Muslims would have to murder 80 to 90 people per one murder by a Jewish person just to keep the ratios even. And many of those conflicts are inter-Muslim conflicts – like in Darfur or Syria – nobody is talking about the way European Jews treat Ethiopian Jews here because that is an inter-Jewish issue:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32577452

    So let’s stay on point. The Zionists have a massively disproportionate influence in driving US policy in the Middle East – the exposure of which is the topic of this article. This matters most to the people here because we are more morally responsible for speaking out due to our tax dollars being used to finance Palestinian dispossession. Our tax dollars have done zero work in oppressing either Darfuris or Papuans. The plight of Darfuris and Papuans (and others) should be made known – that is a noble cause – but to use those crimes as a smokescreen for the crimes of Israel is not.

    Peace.

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    That is of course the case, since we outnumber Jews 80 or 90 to 1 – proportionally, Muslims would have to murder 80 to 90 people per one murder by a Jewish person just to keep the ratios even. And many of those conflicts are inter-Muslim conflicts – like in Darfur or Syria – nobody is talking about the way European Jews treat Ethiopian Jews here because that is an inter-Jewish issue:
     
    Correct that Muslims are outnumbering Jews 80-1 , but I submit that they are killing at a far larger rate than that. And as far as your Ethiopian analogy , you are well aware that Ethiopians were brought to Israel and I know of no instance of any being targeted and killed in the same manner that Athiests are targeted for public death by beating in Bangladesh or subjected to systematic rape as in the Sudan by the Janjaweed militia, nor are they forced into slavery , I mean really , slavery in 2017 as in Mauritania . Did you know there were more articles in the media in 2016 highlighting slavery that ended in the 1860s than there were highlighting the slavery currently occuring in Mauritania. Amazing . Ethiopians are not the subject of genocide like Papuans and Darfuris , so a false analogy indeed . .

    . The plight of Darfuris and Papuans (and others) should be made known – that is a noble cause – but to use those crimes as a smokescreen for the crimes of Israel is not.
     

    I submit that the opposite is true .I think that Israel is being used as smokescreen for the crimes of other nations ( Indonesia , Sudan ,Morocco, Russia ,China , Turkey , Syria &c.) . If other nations are in the midst of brutal occupations ( Indonesia , Sudan ,Morocco, Russia ,China , Turkey , Syria &c.) that are occupying more land , killing more civilians &c. but yet Israel gets all the media attention then it is obvious that the real smokescreen is enjoyed by Islamic countries at the expense of Israel .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjaweed
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/07/who_are_the_janjaweed.html
    https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/features/darfur/fiveyearson/report4.html
    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/03/world/mauritania.slaverys.last.stronghold/

  101. @Sharia Law
    Don't forget your Muslim problem. First things first.

    “The combination of changes in the United States, in Europe and in the region provide Israel with a unique opportunity to reset and rethink everything,” Naftali Bennett, Israel’s education minister and the leader of the pro-settlement Jewish Home party, told a gathering of the Foreign Press Association in Jerusalem on Monday.

    Mr. Bennett, who advocates annexing 60 percent of the occupied West Bank to Israel, exulted on the morning after Donald J. Trump’s victory: “The era of a Palestinian state is over.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/world/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-trump-palestinian-settlements.html?_r=0

    It is why it makes good sense to create ” The combination of changes in the United States, in Europe “

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  102. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon
    Hello Talha,
    Your argument is a bit of a red herring , as I never made any comment one way or the other regarding Saudi or Israeli involvement in Syria. Perhaps you have me confused with another commenter .

    My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia is allowed to get away with bloody murder without so much as a squeak of media or international scrutiny . As has Sudan , Mauritania , Iran , Turkey and others. But lets take an example here to its logical conclusion .

    Indonesia has been occupying West Papua since 1963 ( 4 years longer than Israel/Palestine).
    Indonesia is occupying 55,000 square miles of West Papua ( 53,000 more square miles than Israel/Palestine) .Indonesia has killed 550,000 Papuans in the time of its occupation (Israel has killed 22,000 Palestinians ) . Im not going to write a dissertation here and Ill keep it brief by not giving the corresponding embarrassing statistics for Sudan ,Iran ,Morocco , &c.

    Why the discrepancy and why is Indonesia allowed to get away with exponentially larger crimes without any scrutiny whatsoever , including a total media blackout of West Papua , I wonder if you would stand for a total media black out in West Bank ?

    In the end you are right we will all pay for our crimes . And the larger the crime the larger the price that will be exacted . Doesn't bode well for the followers of Muhamad.

    There is no moral consistency to any of this.

    “My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia is allowed to get away with bloody murder without so much as a squeak of media or international scrutiny.”

    You are totally right. The number of people killed by Israel has been small in comparison.

    But keep in mind Israel gets both MORE support and MORE opprobrium than other nations. On balance, from institutions and industries that really matter, Israel gets far more support than criticism. And in American Politics, Israel and Zionism are king. Even now, most anti-Israel stuff in is radical corners of academia.

    Indonesia is too distant from us, too exotic. Also, there is no West Papuan power base in the US. If West Papuans ruled US media and Wall Street, we would hear a lot more about them nasty Indonesians. But Americans don’t care about a bunch of head-hunting morons with bones in their noses. Also, as Indonesia itself was an artificially constructed nation and identity, who knows what is and isn’t ‘Indonesian’? Even though Israel is a recently created nation, the Jewish identity and idea of homeland in the Holy Land is NOT a modern invention. It has real historical roots.

    Also, there is an implicit ‘racism’ in proggism in its assumption that whites(Jews included) should be judged by higher moral standards since they should know better. They should know better because, apparently, they are superior in intellect and culture. As for non-whites, well, whaddya gonna do about barbarians, savages, and animals? They don’t know any better and that’s that.

    Anyway, I don’t think most of anti-Israel criticism is about the Nakba but about the Occupation. Yes, some anti-Zionists want to turn back to clock to 1948, but most people accept Israel as fact. What they oppose is the continuing occupation of West Bank, and even Jews are beginning to realize that this is turning into a huge embarrassment that just garners Israel more and more bad press, especially as EU and US fills up with more colored folks who aren’t so keen on supporting what they see as WHITE Jews oppressing non-white Palestinians. EU now has lots of Muslims.

    Also, different groups have different reason for criticizing Israel.

    Some Jews like Philip Weiss, Max Blumenthal, and Norman Finkelstein have grown disillusioned with Israel’s increasing belligerent policies and the Occupation that grows worse and looks more like ‘apartheid’.
    Some Jews like Naomi Klein and Naomi Wolf have caught the radical universal bug. They found ‘Jesus’ in the figurative sense. Both love virtue-signaling, and they feel that sticking to Zionism restricts their global ‘save the world’ reach. I think Jill Stein is like that too. Naomi Wolf once had a dream or vision of seeing Jesus.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/naomi-wolfs-vagina-no-carnations-please-were-goddesses/

    When Jews were into Jewishness, this didn’t matter. But after ‘Emancipation’, Jews moved into universalist creeds like communism. Communism didn’t work. Some Jews found universalist meaning in the Holocaust. The Jewish People were crucified and they would be a beacon for hope and peace for all the world. But then, the Zionist project undermined this because Holocaust got associated with the Nakba, i.e. Jews had to ethnically cleanse Palestinians to have a homeland cuz of Holocaust. And so many famous Holocaust Survivors waved the Zionist flag. So, Holocaust Cult, which could have been universalist with Jews as moral arbiters, turned into a narrow Jewish Nationalist Agenda. And when Palestinians began to call Nakba a form of ‘genocide’ and when people began to draw parallels between Israeli Right and Nazism, the universalist arc of post WWII Jewish narrative began to fall apart.

    In many colleges, many non-white and even white students no longer see Jews or Israel as beacons of anything. Mainline churches are moving toward pro-Palestinianism.

    Israel also alienated the Prog elements of Democratic community when its right-wing regime became too close to the GOP. And when Boehner invited Netanyahu to come to US and kick Obama in the butt in front of Congress, many progs were seething. And Hillary was NOT helped by reaching out to Neocons, the very people who pushed Iraq War. It even made the Green Party repudiate her. #NeverTrump is seen as #AlwaysWar.

    Though GOP elites, like Democratic elites, are totally pro-Jewish and pro-Israel, there’s also grumbling about Jews on the Right. Far Right is almost non-existent in the US. I don’t see KKK or neo-Nazis anywhere. But the purged Paleocons began to associate Neocons with a policy that was too insanely pro-Israel, thus getting US needlessly mired in the Middle East.
    Alt Right(a very small but very vocal movement) went further by asking why white people should ‘cuck’ out to Israel and Zionism when so many Jews are so hostile to white interests in both EU and US. Alt Right has no genuine sympathy for Palestinians. They just see it as an opportunity to stick it to Jews: If Jews use ‘white guilt’ to paralyze whites, whites should use ‘Jewish guilt’ to paralyze Jews.

    Israel and Jewish issue just count for more in the US because Jews are powerful. So, Jews get a lot of positive press, especially as media are controlled by Jews. But because of this great power, there is increasing criticism of Jewish power, even among some Jews who fear that the bad Jews are dragging Jewish reputation through the mud with too many wars and Wall Street shenanigans.

    Also, we must keep in mind that even though Israel didn’t kill a lot of people(compared to other brutal regimes in Africa and Middle East and Asia), Jewish Empire did kill a lot of people. Because Jews didn’t have a nation of their own prior to Israel, all the Jewish aggressions and mass-killings got subsumed into national narratives. So, if Jewish Russians as Bolsheviks participated in the killing of millions, it got blamed on ‘Russia’. If Jews sold opium to the Chinese and ruined many lives, it got blamed on Great Britain. So, if Jews played an instrumental role in pushing US toward destroying Libya, it just got blamed on Obama and ‘NATO’. So, if Jews played a key role in pushing for the Iraq War and Syria War that led to deaths of 100,000s, it just got blamed on “US policy”. But Jews played a key role in all those.
    So, Jewish Power is responsible for the deaths of many more lives. Imagine if Chinese minority controlled India and drove India to war against Pakistan in which a million died. History books might say India fought Pakistan. But who were really behind it?
    Maybe this worldwide Jewish Power should be called Freedonia. Freedonia invokes ‘democracy’ and ‘human rights’ to smash all nations standing in the way of tribal interest. The body count of Freedonia in the 20th century is very very high.

    Homomania is also a Jewish agenda, and it has destroyed American Culture. What kind of a moral nation goes gaga in massive parades over guys banging each other in the ass? ‘Gay’ agenda went for pursuit of tolerance(justified) to mandatory worship of the Homo Ass. But moral folks blame homos and not Jews when Jewish power made homomania possible.

    Indeed, the homo stuff goes to show that victimhood depends on the politics of victimhood. In any society, the real victims can be vilified as ‘oppressors’ while oppressors can pose as ‘victims’. Look at China in the 1960s. Mao had presided over the horrible Great Leap Forward. He’d victimized so many people. But he had the power, so he got to play the victim. You see, all these ‘capitalist roaders’ were out to get him and the true revolutionaries, so the Red Guards had to kick their butts. Millions died in the Cultural Revolution that ensued. Or, look at Nazi Germany with Hitler always crying butthurt abut German victimhood while invading other nations and killing people all over. But Nazis had the power of narrative over the German Empire.

    So, politics of victimhood is really about who-has-the-power-to-cry-victim.

    In the US, homos have it so good, but they are one of the three holy victims.
    In Obama’s speech about ‘genocide’, he will mention Holocaust, slavery.. and ‘homophobia’. So, we are to believe that the closeting of homos in the past was some great super-tragedy. And of course, we must make believe that all those AIDS deaths resulted from Reagan than homos banging each other all over the place. Holy Victims are never to be blamed.

    As for blacks in the 20th century, yeah they had bum times due to discrimination and Jim Crow laws and etc. But when we compare that the real horrors in Russia, Poland, China, Vietnam, and other parts of the world where millions perished in horrible circumstances, black experience in the 20th century hardly amounts to a plate of beans. But according to US mythology, Selma is bigger than the Great Famine in Ukraine or US carpet-bombing of civilians in other nations.
    And since US controls the global narrative, many people around the world know more about Selma than about truly great horrors. Selma is bigger than Rwanda, Killing Fields of Cambodia, Armenian mass killing at hands of Turks, US sanctions that killed so many kids in Iraq.

    It’s just how the politics of victimhood works. Those with the power decide who is and isn’t a victim.

    BUT, because there is still a good deal of free speech in the US and the rising power of the internet, counter-narratives can gain momentum, and BDS is one of those things. The powers-that-be, Hillary and Trump, both try to crush it. Even Bill Blasio has no use for it. BUT, there are rising voices because it is only natural for those without power to focus their attacks on those with power.

    There are some who support Palestinians out of genuine compassion for those people and genuine investment in the issue.
    There are some who do so because they see it as an indirect way to attack Jewish Power that they see as the main enemy.

    It’s all very complicated but it boils down to “Is it good for us?”

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    You made some points I agree with and also many that I disagree with , however the fact that your comment was as long as the article prevents me from addressing it all as it would be too time consuming .

    Some Jews like Philip Weiss, Max Blumenthal, and Norman Finkelstein have grown disillusioned with Israel’s increasing belligerent policies and the Occupation that grows worse and looks more like ‘apartheid’.
     

    None of these 3 are disillusioned with Israel. None of them cares about apartheid. If there are a dozen or more occupations happening in the world and you choose to focus on only 1 and furthermore the 1 you focus on is doing the least amount of killing and occupying the least amount of land than and furthermore you don't even mention any other occupation ever then you cannot really be said to care about occupations .

    Similarly they do not care about apartheid . Of course every single Islamic country is a true apartheid state where women , homosexuals and non Muslims have less rights than Muslim men. In fact the apartheid is so severe in 14 Islamic states that converting from Islam to Christianity is against the law . The punishment for the crime is death . There is not crime in converting from Christianity to Islam. True apartheid . Yet none of those 3 care to speak about this. In 14 Islamic states homosexuality is against the law . The punishment for the crime is the death penalty . In Iran alone since 1980 , more than 7,000 homosexuals have been sentenced to death and hanged from cranes for the crime of homosexuality . I wonder if the virtuous trio will write about it , seeing as they care so deeply about such things as apartheid and occupation.

  103. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Talha
    I'm not sure what you are arguing here - that Muslims are responsible for more violent deaths than Jews around the world? Guilty as charged.

    That is of course the case, since we outnumber Jews 80 or 90 to 1 - proportionally, Muslims would have to murder 80 to 90 people per one murder by a Jewish person just to keep the ratios even. And many of those conflicts are inter-Muslim conflicts - like in Darfur or Syria - nobody is talking about the way European Jews treat Ethiopian Jews here because that is an inter-Jewish issue:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32577452

    So let's stay on point. The Zionists have a massively disproportionate influence in driving US policy in the Middle East - the exposure of which is the topic of this article. This matters most to the people here because we are more morally responsible for speaking out due to our tax dollars being used to finance Palestinian dispossession. Our tax dollars have done zero work in oppressing either Darfuris or Papuans. The plight of Darfuris and Papuans (and others) should be made known - that is a noble cause - but to use those crimes as a smokescreen for the crimes of Israel is not.

    Peace.

    That is of course the case, since we outnumber Jews 80 or 90 to 1 – proportionally, Muslims would have to murder 80 to 90 people per one murder by a Jewish person just to keep the ratios even. And many of those conflicts are inter-Muslim conflicts – like in Darfur or Syria – nobody is talking about the way European Jews treat Ethiopian Jews here because that is an inter-Jewish issue:

    Correct that Muslims are outnumbering Jews 80-1 , but I submit that they are killing at a far larger rate than that. And as far as your Ethiopian analogy , you are well aware that Ethiopians were brought to Israel and I know of no instance of any being targeted and killed in the same manner that Athiests are targeted for public death by beating in Bangladesh or subjected to systematic rape as in the Sudan by the Janjaweed militia, nor are they forced into slavery , I mean really , slavery in 2017 as in Mauritania . Did you know there were more articles in the media in 2016 highlighting slavery that ended in the 1860s than there were highlighting the slavery currently occuring in Mauritania. Amazing . Ethiopians are not the subject of genocide like Papuans and Darfuris , so a false analogy indeed . .

    . The plight of Darfuris and Papuans (and others) should be made known – that is a noble cause – but to use those crimes as a smokescreen for the crimes of Israel is not.

    I submit that the opposite is true .I think that Israel is being used as smokescreen for the crimes of other nations ( Indonesia , Sudan ,Morocco, Russia ,China , Turkey , Syria &c.) . If other nations are in the midst of brutal occupations ( Indonesia , Sudan ,Morocco, Russia ,China , Turkey , Syria &c.) that are occupying more land , killing more civilians &c. but yet Israel gets all the media attention then it is obvious that the real smokescreen is enjoyed by Islamic countries at the expense of Israel .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjaweed

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/07/who_are_the_janjaweed.html

    https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/features/darfur/fiveyearson/report4.html

    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/03/world/mauritania.slaverys.last.stronghold/

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    I think that Israel is being used as smokescreen for the crimes of other nations
     
    Your opinion, chief - now if the article was indeed about how our country helped (with our tax money) in the various occupations that you listed and some dude came along with "Israel this..." and "Israel that..." - you would be quite correct in calling them out.

    Again, we are concerned because of how our government and how our tax dollars are being used to help a specific illegal occupation. Now, if you have evidence that our government or tax dollars have helped Russia take over Chechnya or Indonesia or Sudan, bring it - otherwise stop detracting the issue.

    the real smokescreen is enjoyed by Islamic countries at the expense of Israel
     
    No, in fact weaker Islamic countries with brutal dictatorships at their heads and horrific human rights records are routinely brought very much out into the lime light (often in front of the UN) when it is conveniently to do so (hell, we make up stuff about them to get sympathy to our views) and then thrown up against a wall - or have you never heard of Iraq, Libya and Syria?

    Sudan and the other countries are not worth it (especially if they buy millions of dollars of military hardware) - you don't really believe our elites actually care about human rights abuses do you unless it serves the great chess game?

    Let's stay on point.

    Peace.

    Note: I know a little bit about the slavery in Mauritania since I know people that have traveled there and it is indeed alive, regrettably, in the remote regions of the Sahel. I also know another thing, that it is illegal there and the government is quite embarrassed about letting this leak out. Just as sex slavery is illegal in Europe but it takes place. Now, if the first-world countries of Europe can barely manage to eradicate a practice that is quite illegal on their books - how the hell does one seriously expect a dirt-poor Sub-Saharan African country with barely any police-projection powers outside of a few population centers to do the same? Much of the Sahel region literally looks like something out of Mad Max - read the article again.
    , @mcohen
    anon

    i find your post interesting.i usually skip these long winded replies but i am somewhat surprised at the amount of genocide going on especially in islamic countries and never considered that blaming israel is a ploy.the question then must be asked is this.why has the un not protested.

    peace
  104. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    There is no moral consistency to any of this.

    "My point is that Israel receives far too much attention given its relatively meager amount of casualties caused by its policies. If we examine honestly we can state with absolute certainty that Indonesia is allowed to get away with bloody murder without so much as a squeak of media or international scrutiny."

    You are totally right. The number of people killed by Israel has been small in comparison.

    But keep in mind Israel gets both MORE support and MORE opprobrium than other nations. On balance, from institutions and industries that really matter, Israel gets far more support than criticism. And in American Politics, Israel and Zionism are king. Even now, most anti-Israel stuff in is radical corners of academia.

    Indonesia is too distant from us, too exotic. Also, there is no West Papuan power base in the US. If West Papuans ruled US media and Wall Street, we would hear a lot more about them nasty Indonesians. But Americans don't care about a bunch of head-hunting morons with bones in their noses. Also, as Indonesia itself was an artificially constructed nation and identity, who knows what is and isn't 'Indonesian'? Even though Israel is a recently created nation, the Jewish identity and idea of homeland in the Holy Land is NOT a modern invention. It has real historical roots.

    Also, there is an implicit 'racism' in proggism in its assumption that whites(Jews included) should be judged by higher moral standards since they should know better. They should know better because, apparently, they are superior in intellect and culture. As for non-whites, well, whaddya gonna do about barbarians, savages, and animals? They don't know any better and that's that.

    Anyway, I don't think most of anti-Israel criticism is about the Nakba but about the Occupation. Yes, some anti-Zionists want to turn back to clock to 1948, but most people accept Israel as fact. What they oppose is the continuing occupation of West Bank, and even Jews are beginning to realize that this is turning into a huge embarrassment that just garners Israel more and more bad press, especially as EU and US fills up with more colored folks who aren't so keen on supporting what they see as WHITE Jews oppressing non-white Palestinians. EU now has lots of Muslims.

    Also, different groups have different reason for criticizing Israel.

    Some Jews like Philip Weiss, Max Blumenthal, and Norman Finkelstein have grown disillusioned with Israel's increasing belligerent policies and the Occupation that grows worse and looks more like 'apartheid'.
    Some Jews like Naomi Klein and Naomi Wolf have caught the radical universal bug. They found 'Jesus' in the figurative sense. Both love virtue-signaling, and they feel that sticking to Zionism restricts their global 'save the world' reach. I think Jill Stein is like that too. Naomi Wolf once had a dream or vision of seeing Jesus.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/naomi-wolfs-vagina-no-carnations-please-were-goddesses/

    When Jews were into Jewishness, this didn't matter. But after 'Emancipation', Jews moved into universalist creeds like communism. Communism didn't work. Some Jews found universalist meaning in the Holocaust. The Jewish People were crucified and they would be a beacon for hope and peace for all the world. But then, the Zionist project undermined this because Holocaust got associated with the Nakba, i.e. Jews had to ethnically cleanse Palestinians to have a homeland cuz of Holocaust. And so many famous Holocaust Survivors waved the Zionist flag. So, Holocaust Cult, which could have been universalist with Jews as moral arbiters, turned into a narrow Jewish Nationalist Agenda. And when Palestinians began to call Nakba a form of 'genocide' and when people began to draw parallels between Israeli Right and Nazism, the universalist arc of post WWII Jewish narrative began to fall apart.

    In many colleges, many non-white and even white students no longer see Jews or Israel as beacons of anything. Mainline churches are moving toward pro-Palestinianism.

    Israel also alienated the Prog elements of Democratic community when its right-wing regime became too close to the GOP. And when Boehner invited Netanyahu to come to US and kick Obama in the butt in front of Congress, many progs were seething. And Hillary was NOT helped by reaching out to Neocons, the very people who pushed Iraq War. It even made the Green Party repudiate her. #NeverTrump is seen as #AlwaysWar.

    Though GOP elites, like Democratic elites, are totally pro-Jewish and pro-Israel, there's also grumbling about Jews on the Right. Far Right is almost non-existent in the US. I don't see KKK or neo-Nazis anywhere. But the purged Paleocons began to associate Neocons with a policy that was too insanely pro-Israel, thus getting US needlessly mired in the Middle East.
    Alt Right(a very small but very vocal movement) went further by asking why white people should 'cuck' out to Israel and Zionism when so many Jews are so hostile to white interests in both EU and US. Alt Right has no genuine sympathy for Palestinians. They just see it as an opportunity to stick it to Jews: If Jews use 'white guilt' to paralyze whites, whites should use 'Jewish guilt' to paralyze Jews.

    Israel and Jewish issue just count for more in the US because Jews are powerful. So, Jews get a lot of positive press, especially as media are controlled by Jews. But because of this great power, there is increasing criticism of Jewish power, even among some Jews who fear that the bad Jews are dragging Jewish reputation through the mud with too many wars and Wall Street shenanigans.

    Also, we must keep in mind that even though Israel didn't kill a lot of people(compared to other brutal regimes in Africa and Middle East and Asia), Jewish Empire did kill a lot of people. Because Jews didn't have a nation of their own prior to Israel, all the Jewish aggressions and mass-killings got subsumed into national narratives. So, if Jewish Russians as Bolsheviks participated in the killing of millions, it got blamed on 'Russia'. If Jews sold opium to the Chinese and ruined many lives, it got blamed on Great Britain. So, if Jews played an instrumental role in pushing US toward destroying Libya, it just got blamed on Obama and 'NATO'. So, if Jews played a key role in pushing for the Iraq War and Syria War that led to deaths of 100,000s, it just got blamed on "US policy". But Jews played a key role in all those.
    So, Jewish Power is responsible for the deaths of many more lives. Imagine if Chinese minority controlled India and drove India to war against Pakistan in which a million died. History books might say India fought Pakistan. But who were really behind it?
    Maybe this worldwide Jewish Power should be called Freedonia. Freedonia invokes 'democracy' and 'human rights' to smash all nations standing in the way of tribal interest. The body count of Freedonia in the 20th century is very very high.

    Homomania is also a Jewish agenda, and it has destroyed American Culture. What kind of a moral nation goes gaga in massive parades over guys banging each other in the ass? 'Gay' agenda went for pursuit of tolerance(justified) to mandatory worship of the Homo Ass. But moral folks blame homos and not Jews when Jewish power made homomania possible.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSsUoxlSADk

    Indeed, the homo stuff goes to show that victimhood depends on the politics of victimhood. In any society, the real victims can be vilified as 'oppressors' while oppressors can pose as 'victims'. Look at China in the 1960s. Mao had presided over the horrible Great Leap Forward. He'd victimized so many people. But he had the power, so he got to play the victim. You see, all these 'capitalist roaders' were out to get him and the true revolutionaries, so the Red Guards had to kick their butts. Millions died in the Cultural Revolution that ensued. Or, look at Nazi Germany with Hitler always crying butthurt abut German victimhood while invading other nations and killing people all over. But Nazis had the power of narrative over the German Empire.

    So, politics of victimhood is really about who-has-the-power-to-cry-victim.

    In the US, homos have it so good, but they are one of the three holy victims.
    In Obama's speech about 'genocide', he will mention Holocaust, slavery.. and 'homophobia'. So, we are to believe that the closeting of homos in the past was some great super-tragedy. And of course, we must make believe that all those AIDS deaths resulted from Reagan than homos banging each other all over the place. Holy Victims are never to be blamed.

    As for blacks in the 20th century, yeah they had bum times due to discrimination and Jim Crow laws and etc. But when we compare that the real horrors in Russia, Poland, China, Vietnam, and other parts of the world where millions perished in horrible circumstances, black experience in the 20th century hardly amounts to a plate of beans. But according to US mythology, Selma is bigger than the Great Famine in Ukraine or US carpet-bombing of civilians in other nations.
    And since US controls the global narrative, many people around the world know more about Selma than about truly great horrors. Selma is bigger than Rwanda, Killing Fields of Cambodia, Armenian mass killing at hands of Turks, US sanctions that killed so many kids in Iraq.

    It's just how the politics of victimhood works. Those with the power decide who is and isn't a victim.

    BUT, because there is still a good deal of free speech in the US and the rising power of the internet, counter-narratives can gain momentum, and BDS is one of those things. The powers-that-be, Hillary and Trump, both try to crush it. Even Bill Blasio has no use for it. BUT, there are rising voices because it is only natural for those without power to focus their attacks on those with power.

    There are some who support Palestinians out of genuine compassion for those people and genuine investment in the issue.
    There are some who do so because they see it as an indirect way to attack Jewish Power that they see as the main enemy.

    It's all very complicated but it boils down to "Is it good for us?"

    You made some points I agree with and also many that I disagree with , however the fact that your comment was as long as the article prevents me from addressing it all as it would be too time consuming .

    Some Jews like Philip Weiss, Max Blumenthal, and Norman Finkelstein have grown disillusioned with Israel’s increasing belligerent policies and the Occupation that grows worse and looks more like ‘apartheid’.

    None of these 3 are disillusioned with Israel. None of them cares about apartheid. If there are a dozen or more occupations happening in the world and you choose to focus on only 1 and furthermore the 1 you focus on is doing the least amount of killing and occupying the least amount of land than and furthermore you don’t even mention any other occupation ever then you cannot really be said to care about occupations .

    Similarly they do not care about apartheid . Of course every single Islamic country is a true apartheid state where women , homosexuals and non Muslims have less rights than Muslim men. In fact the apartheid is so severe in 14 Islamic states that converting from Islam to Christianity is against the law . The punishment for the crime is death . There is not crime in converting from Christianity to Islam. True apartheid . Yet none of those 3 care to speak about this. In 14 Islamic states homosexuality is against the law . The punishment for the crime is the death penalty . In Iran alone since 1980 , more than 7,000 homosexuals have been sentenced to death and hanged from cranes for the crime of homosexuality . I wonder if the virtuous trio will write about it , seeing as they care so deeply about such things as apartheid and occupation.

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    Very nice - again - tell us how billions of our tax dollars are involved in funding these particular countries. As I stated, our elites (including especially the Zionists) don't care about all of this fluff. Israel doesn't care about all this stuff you are talking about, they make alliances with these same Gulf countries when they deem fit:
    "Even though the GCC bloc officially regards Israel as a security threat, the Gulf monarchies have greatly expanded their defence and intelligence cooperation with the Israeli military. GCC officials have signed covert deals with the Israeli defence contractors to gain access to the IDF’s prized military technology. In 2011, Israeli companies sold an estimated $300 million of military technology to the UAE."
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/samuel-ramani/why-israel-is-strengthening_b_11946660.html

    What you are doing is detracting - pure and simple - with "Look over there, very bad Muslims!" When our tax dollars are being used to hang homosexuals come and tell us.

    Peace.
  105. @anon

    That is of course the case, since we outnumber Jews 80 or 90 to 1 – proportionally, Muslims would have to murder 80 to 90 people per one murder by a Jewish person just to keep the ratios even. And many of those conflicts are inter-Muslim conflicts – like in Darfur or Syria – nobody is talking about the way European Jews treat Ethiopian Jews here because that is an inter-Jewish issue:
     
    Correct that Muslims are outnumbering Jews 80-1 , but I submit that they are killing at a far larger rate than that. And as far as your Ethiopian analogy , you are well aware that Ethiopians were brought to Israel and I know of no instance of any being targeted and killed in the same manner that Athiests are targeted for public death by beating in Bangladesh or subjected to systematic rape as in the Sudan by the Janjaweed militia, nor are they forced into slavery , I mean really , slavery in 2017 as in Mauritania . Did you know there were more articles in the media in 2016 highlighting slavery that ended in the 1860s than there were highlighting the slavery currently occuring in Mauritania. Amazing . Ethiopians are not the subject of genocide like Papuans and Darfuris , so a false analogy indeed . .

    . The plight of Darfuris and Papuans (and others) should be made known – that is a noble cause – but to use those crimes as a smokescreen for the crimes of Israel is not.
     

    I submit that the opposite is true .I think that Israel is being used as smokescreen for the crimes of other nations ( Indonesia , Sudan ,Morocco, Russia ,China , Turkey , Syria &c.) . If other nations are in the midst of brutal occupations ( Indonesia , Sudan ,Morocco, Russia ,China , Turkey , Syria &c.) that are occupying more land , killing more civilians &c. but yet Israel gets all the media attention then it is obvious that the real smokescreen is enjoyed by Islamic countries at the expense of Israel .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjaweed
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/07/who_are_the_janjaweed.html
    https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/features/darfur/fiveyearson/report4.html
    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/03/world/mauritania.slaverys.last.stronghold/

    I think that Israel is being used as smokescreen for the crimes of other nations

    Your opinion, chief – now if the article was indeed about how our country helped (with our tax money) in the various occupations that you listed and some dude came along with “Israel this…” and “Israel that…” – you would be quite correct in calling them out.

    Again, we are concerned because of how our government and how our tax dollars are being used to help a specific illegal occupation. Now, if you have evidence that our government or tax dollars have helped Russia take over Chechnya or Indonesia or Sudan, bring it – otherwise stop detracting the issue.

    the real smokescreen is enjoyed by Islamic countries at the expense of Israel

    No, in fact weaker Islamic countries with brutal dictatorships at their heads and horrific human rights records are routinely brought very much out into the lime light (often in front of the UN) when it is conveniently to do so (hell, we make up stuff about them to get sympathy to our views) and then thrown up against a wall – or have you never heard of Iraq, Libya and Syria?

    Sudan and the other countries are not worth it (especially if they buy millions of dollars of military hardware) – you don’t really believe our elites actually care about human rights abuses do you unless it serves the great chess game?

    Let’s stay on point.

    Peace.

    Note: I know a little bit about the slavery in Mauritania since I know people that have traveled there and it is indeed alive, regrettably, in the remote regions of the Sahel. I also know another thing, that it is illegal there and the government is quite embarrassed about letting this leak out. Just as sex slavery is illegal in Europe but it takes place. Now, if the first-world countries of Europe can barely manage to eradicate a practice that is quite illegal on their books – how the hell does one seriously expect a dirt-poor Sub-Saharan African country with barely any police-projection powers outside of a few population centers to do the same? Much of the Sahel region literally looks like something out of Mad Max – read the article again.

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    Again, we are concerned because of how our government and how our tax dollars are being used to help a specific illegal occupation. Now, if you have evidence that our government or tax dollars have helped Russia take over Chechnya or Indonesia or Sudan, bring it – otherwise stop detracting the issue.
     
    Indonesia receives hundreds of millions in US tax dollars every year , as does Sudan , and Mauritania and Morocco , which obviously helps to further those occupations.. As you know , I prefer to use the metric of how many have been killed or how many square miles occupied ,you prefer the metric of whether a country receives US tax dollars . I hope your religion permits such a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life. Valued in dollars instead of the true human toll. Well ,Israel , Sudan ,Mauritania ,Morocco and Indonesia all receive US tax dollars .Now since all receive US tax dollars , it makes even more sense that we concentrate on the casualty rate and attempt to do the most good in the world possible as Im sure your religion teaches you as a devout Muslim. Again all receive US tax dollars but Israel exercises far more restraint and only has killed 22,00o Palestinians over a 50 year period. With their US tax dollars , Morocco has managed to kill 37,000 Western Saharans in occupied Western Sahara, Indonesia has managed to kill over half a million Papuans in occupied Papua , Sudan has managed to kill millions in Darfur and South Sudan and Mauritania has been able to remain the slavery capital of the world .

    I know a little bit about the slavery in Mauritania since I know people that have traveled there and it is indeed alive, regrettably, in the remote regions of the Sahel I also know another thing, that it is illegal there and the government is quite embarrassed about letting this leak out.
     
    20% of the population live as slaves so its not just remote parts of Sahel. Yes they finally outlawed slavery in 2007 . In 2006 they just didn't realize it was bad to own slaves. Happy that by 2007 the realized it was a bad thing .Maybe they knew all along but slavery is condoned in the koran so they didn't care . I like that you admit that that they condone slavery by saying that the government is embarrassed that the world found out their secret. Touche .
  106. @anon
    You made some points I agree with and also many that I disagree with , however the fact that your comment was as long as the article prevents me from addressing it all as it would be too time consuming .

    Some Jews like Philip Weiss, Max Blumenthal, and Norman Finkelstein have grown disillusioned with Israel’s increasing belligerent policies and the Occupation that grows worse and looks more like ‘apartheid’.
     

    None of these 3 are disillusioned with Israel. None of them cares about apartheid. If there are a dozen or more occupations happening in the world and you choose to focus on only 1 and furthermore the 1 you focus on is doing the least amount of killing and occupying the least amount of land than and furthermore you don't even mention any other occupation ever then you cannot really be said to care about occupations .

    Similarly they do not care about apartheid . Of course every single Islamic country is a true apartheid state where women , homosexuals and non Muslims have less rights than Muslim men. In fact the apartheid is so severe in 14 Islamic states that converting from Islam to Christianity is against the law . The punishment for the crime is death . There is not crime in converting from Christianity to Islam. True apartheid . Yet none of those 3 care to speak about this. In 14 Islamic states homosexuality is against the law . The punishment for the crime is the death penalty . In Iran alone since 1980 , more than 7,000 homosexuals have been sentenced to death and hanged from cranes for the crime of homosexuality . I wonder if the virtuous trio will write about it , seeing as they care so deeply about such things as apartheid and occupation.

    Very nice – again – tell us how billions of our tax dollars are involved in funding these particular countries. As I stated, our elites (including especially the Zionists) don’t care about all of this fluff. Israel doesn’t care about all this stuff you are talking about, they make alliances with these same Gulf countries when they deem fit:
    “Even though the GCC bloc officially regards Israel as a security threat, the Gulf monarchies have greatly expanded their defence and intelligence cooperation with the Israeli military. GCC officials have signed covert deals with the Israeli defence contractors to gain access to the IDF’s prized military technology. In 2011, Israeli companies sold an estimated $300 million of military technology to the UAE.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/samuel-ramani/why-israel-is-strengthening_b_11946660.html

    What you are doing is detracting – pure and simple – with “Look over there, very bad Muslims!” When our tax dollars are being used to hang homosexuals come and tell us.

    Peace.

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  107. @utu
    "need to pay attention to the author of this piece as well" - In 2003 he was one of the first (before Buchanan) who wrote about the neocons.

    Thank you!

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  108. @mcohen
    mondoweiss .......did you say mondoweiss.

    the phillip and the annie and let us not forget mooser ....................... .pardon me while i unbuckle my chuckle.

    mondoweiss …….did you say mondoweiss.

    Yes, Mondoweiss.

    the Yonah Fredman and the Krauss and let us not forget Hophmi

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    a lot of good stuff is posted but lately they have dropped off.something happened.archives went missing etc.most of my posts are deleted these days.i still go back for a read.the fact is the i/p has become so toxic it poisons all that wanders into it's path.
  109. @n230099
    It's always fun to watch 'muricuns' blubber on about Zionism as they sit on the blood soaked land in their 'settlements' as they now 'occupy' the area where they murdered the indigenous peoples . Well done.

    Maybe they would say it helps when the murdering was done by people five and more generations back whose names you don’t even know rather than by fathers, brothers, uncles and grandfathers.

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  110. @Dovla
    It's great that you name Chetniks immediately after Nazis, them being responsible for maybe 50000-100000 deaths in WW2, mainly in retaliation to Ustasha genocide. Yes, such dark place that eastern Europe, all the while western Europe colonized entire world not with guns, genocide, enslavement, forced starvation and pumping drugs into countries that didn't want them but with flowers and shiny bells.

    I think your reference to “western Europe” suggests you have overlooked some of the major differences between say Imperial China and the small European countries with their competition in everything including religion and civil rights. So you overgeneralise. The differences had much to do with the making of the modern world for good – say emancipation of slaves and hugely increased longevity – and evil such as the scale of mass slaughter.

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    @Talha

    I think that Israel is being used as smokescreen for the crimes of other nations
     
    Your opinion, chief - now if the article was indeed about how our country helped (with our tax money) in the various occupations that you listed and some dude came along with "Israel this..." and "Israel that..." - you would be quite correct in calling them out.

    Again, we are concerned because of how our government and how our tax dollars are being used to help a specific illegal occupation. Now, if you have evidence that our government or tax dollars have helped Russia take over Chechnya or Indonesia or Sudan, bring it - otherwise stop detracting the issue.

    the real smokescreen is enjoyed by Islamic countries at the expense of Israel
     
    No, in fact weaker Islamic countries with brutal dictatorships at their heads and horrific human rights records are routinely brought very much out into the lime light (often in front of the UN) when it is conveniently to do so (hell, we make up stuff about them to get sympathy to our views) and then thrown up against a wall - or have you never heard of Iraq, Libya and Syria?

    Sudan and the other countries are not worth it (especially if they buy millions of dollars of military hardware) - you don't really believe our elites actually care about human rights abuses do you unless it serves the great chess game?

    Let's stay on point.

    Peace.

    Note: I know a little bit about the slavery in Mauritania since I know people that have traveled there and it is indeed alive, regrettably, in the remote regions of the Sahel. I also know another thing, that it is illegal there and the government is quite embarrassed about letting this leak out. Just as sex slavery is illegal in Europe but it takes place. Now, if the first-world countries of Europe can barely manage to eradicate a practice that is quite illegal on their books - how the hell does one seriously expect a dirt-poor Sub-Saharan African country with barely any police-projection powers outside of a few population centers to do the same? Much of the Sahel region literally looks like something out of Mad Max - read the article again.

    Again, we are concerned because of how our government and how our tax dollars are being used to help a specific illegal occupation. Now, if you have evidence that our government or tax dollars have helped Russia take over Chechnya or Indonesia or Sudan, bring it – otherwise stop detracting the issue.

    Indonesia receives hundreds of millions in US tax dollars every year , as does Sudan , and Mauritania and Morocco , which obviously helps to further those occupations.. As you know , I prefer to use the metric of how many have been killed or how many square miles occupied ,you prefer the metric of whether a country receives US tax dollars . I hope your religion permits such a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life. Valued in dollars instead of the true human toll. Well ,Israel , Sudan ,Mauritania ,Morocco and Indonesia all receive US tax dollars .Now since all receive US tax dollars , it makes even more sense that we concentrate on the casualty rate and attempt to do the most good in the world possible as Im sure your religion teaches you as a devout Muslim. Again all receive US tax dollars but Israel exercises far more restraint and only has killed 22,00o Palestinians over a 50 year period. With their US tax dollars , Morocco has managed to kill 37,000 Western Saharans in occupied Western Sahara, Indonesia has managed to kill over half a million Papuans in occupied Papua , Sudan has managed to kill millions in Darfur and South Sudan and Mauritania has been able to remain the slavery capital of the world .

    I know a little bit about the slavery in Mauritania since I know people that have traveled there and it is indeed alive, regrettably, in the remote regions of the Sahel I also know another thing, that it is illegal there and the government is quite embarrassed about letting this leak out.

    20% of the population live as slaves so its not just remote parts of Sahel. Yes they finally outlawed slavery in 2007 . In 2006 they just didn’t realize it was bad to own slaves. Happy that by 2007 the realized it was a bad thing .Maybe they knew all along but slavery is condoned in the koran so they didn’t care . I like that you admit that that they condone slavery by saying that the government is embarrassed that the world found out their secret. Touche .

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    I hope your religion permits such a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life. Valued in dollars instead of the true human toll.
     
    I thought Islam was an offshoot of Judaism?

    Here's just one example of the kind of humanism dripping in the OT:

    "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."

    , @Talha

    Indonesia receives hundreds of millions in US tax dollars every year , as does Sudan , and Mauritania and Morocco , which obviously helps to further those occupations.
     
    So let's do the math...these countries do receive foreign aid, most of it goes into development, education and health. Israel gets massive military aid packages to the tune of billions per year:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/14/united-states-military-aid-israel/90358564/

    Now, one could say, well that allows these countries to then divert certain funds toward military endeavors - which is a valid point. I don't embrace hypocrisy thus I believe all tax-funded foreign aid should be cut to any countries in violation of international agreements or involved in illegal occupation. That means Indonesia, Sudan, Mauritania, etc. and - gasp - Israel. You willing to state the same - that all funding should be cut to all of these countries including Israel?


    such a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life
     
    Read what I wrote in my other posts - nobody gets away with these crimes - nobody, not even Muslims. They will have to answer on the Day of Judgement like everyone else.

    In 2006 they just didn’t realize it was bad to own slaves. Happy that by 2007 the realized it was a bad thing.
     
    Indeed, there is a lot of messed up stuff going on in Mauritania - no doubt about that! Keep bringing up Mauritania to compare to Israel if it makes you feel better.

    slavery is condoned in the koran
     
    As it is in the Torah - which is why, historically, Jews were massively involved in the slave trade on all continents as suppliers. Props go most to Anglo-Saxon Quakers and their allies for pushing and pushing and using the British Crown's influence to get rid of it around the world. French made a good showing too. Hats (and turbans) off to them.

    Peace.

  112. To find out who rules you, ask who you may not criticize.

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    Would you care to go beyond a thought bubble and spell this out with examples and mechanisms. E.g. the powerless ageing King of Thailand couldn't be criticised without severe danger to liberty. Aborigines in Australia!ia can't be criticised if you are White without a huge weight of legal and social PC fallng on you.....
    , @anon

    To find out who rules you, ask who you may not criticize.
     
    Barack Obama in some circles , Vladimir Putin in other circles ??
  113. @anon

    Again, we are concerned because of how our government and how our tax dollars are being used to help a specific illegal occupation. Now, if you have evidence that our government or tax dollars have helped Russia take over Chechnya or Indonesia or Sudan, bring it – otherwise stop detracting the issue.
     
    Indonesia receives hundreds of millions in US tax dollars every year , as does Sudan , and Mauritania and Morocco , which obviously helps to further those occupations.. As you know , I prefer to use the metric of how many have been killed or how many square miles occupied ,you prefer the metric of whether a country receives US tax dollars . I hope your religion permits such a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life. Valued in dollars instead of the true human toll. Well ,Israel , Sudan ,Mauritania ,Morocco and Indonesia all receive US tax dollars .Now since all receive US tax dollars , it makes even more sense that we concentrate on the casualty rate and attempt to do the most good in the world possible as Im sure your religion teaches you as a devout Muslim. Again all receive US tax dollars but Israel exercises far more restraint and only has killed 22,00o Palestinians over a 50 year period. With their US tax dollars , Morocco has managed to kill 37,000 Western Saharans in occupied Western Sahara, Indonesia has managed to kill over half a million Papuans in occupied Papua , Sudan has managed to kill millions in Darfur and South Sudan and Mauritania has been able to remain the slavery capital of the world .

    I know a little bit about the slavery in Mauritania since I know people that have traveled there and it is indeed alive, regrettably, in the remote regions of the Sahel I also know another thing, that it is illegal there and the government is quite embarrassed about letting this leak out.
     
    20% of the population live as slaves so its not just remote parts of Sahel. Yes they finally outlawed slavery in 2007 . In 2006 they just didn't realize it was bad to own slaves. Happy that by 2007 the realized it was a bad thing .Maybe they knew all along but slavery is condoned in the koran so they didn't care . I like that you admit that that they condone slavery by saying that the government is embarrassed that the world found out their secret. Touche .

    I hope your religion permits such a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life. Valued in dollars instead of the true human toll.

    I thought Islam was an offshoot of Judaism?

    Here’s just one example of the kind of humanism dripping in the OT:

    “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”

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  114. @Adar.
    I am not sure if Balfour was a Jew but at least his immediate subordinate who as I understand it actually wrote the declaration was Leopold Amery who was a SECRET JEW. Posing as a Christian all the while being a JEW.

    If you don’t know who Balfour was -and you clearly don’t – then your calling Leo Amery a “secret Jew” is so absurd as to mark you as someone whose intellect is capable of nothing more than crude anti-Semitism. His mother’s family were Hungarian Jewish turned British Protestants and he angicised his baptismal name of Motitz to Maurice. Some secrecy when he spoke Hungarian, Bulgarian and Turkish which would tend to stick out a bit at Harrow, Balliol, All Souls and government service….!

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  115. @David Hamilton
    To find out who rules you, ask who you may not criticize.

    Would you care to go beyond a thought bubble and spell this out with examples and mechanisms. E.g. the powerless ageing King of Thailand couldn’t be criticised without severe danger to liberty. Aborigines in Australia!ia can’t be criticised if you are White without a huge weight of legal and social PC fallng on you…..

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    I believe it is a quote from Voltaire, but being a wizard you would know that.
  116. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @David Hamilton
    To find out who rules you, ask who you may not criticize.

    To find out who rules you, ask who you may not criticize.

    Barack Obama in some circles , Vladimir Putin in other circles ??

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  117. @anon

    Again, we are concerned because of how our government and how our tax dollars are being used to help a specific illegal occupation. Now, if you have evidence that our government or tax dollars have helped Russia take over Chechnya or Indonesia or Sudan, bring it – otherwise stop detracting the issue.
     
    Indonesia receives hundreds of millions in US tax dollars every year , as does Sudan , and Mauritania and Morocco , which obviously helps to further those occupations.. As you know , I prefer to use the metric of how many have been killed or how many square miles occupied ,you prefer the metric of whether a country receives US tax dollars . I hope your religion permits such a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life. Valued in dollars instead of the true human toll. Well ,Israel , Sudan ,Mauritania ,Morocco and Indonesia all receive US tax dollars .Now since all receive US tax dollars , it makes even more sense that we concentrate on the casualty rate and attempt to do the most good in the world possible as Im sure your religion teaches you as a devout Muslim. Again all receive US tax dollars but Israel exercises far more restraint and only has killed 22,00o Palestinians over a 50 year period. With their US tax dollars , Morocco has managed to kill 37,000 Western Saharans in occupied Western Sahara, Indonesia has managed to kill over half a million Papuans in occupied Papua , Sudan has managed to kill millions in Darfur and South Sudan and Mauritania has been able to remain the slavery capital of the world .

    I know a little bit about the slavery in Mauritania since I know people that have traveled there and it is indeed alive, regrettably, in the remote regions of the Sahel I also know another thing, that it is illegal there and the government is quite embarrassed about letting this leak out.
     
    20% of the population live as slaves so its not just remote parts of Sahel. Yes they finally outlawed slavery in 2007 . In 2006 they just didn't realize it was bad to own slaves. Happy that by 2007 the realized it was a bad thing .Maybe they knew all along but slavery is condoned in the koran so they didn't care . I like that you admit that that they condone slavery by saying that the government is embarrassed that the world found out their secret. Touche .

    Indonesia receives hundreds of millions in US tax dollars every year , as does Sudan , and Mauritania and Morocco , which obviously helps to further those occupations.

    So let’s do the math…these countries do receive foreign aid, most of it goes into development, education and health. Israel gets massive military aid packages to the tune of billions per year:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/14/united-states-military-aid-israel/90358564/

    Now, one could say, well that allows these countries to then divert certain funds toward military endeavors – which is a valid point. I don’t embrace hypocrisy thus I believe all tax-funded foreign aid should be cut to any countries in violation of international agreements or involved in illegal occupation. That means Indonesia, Sudan, Mauritania, etc. and – gasp – Israel. You willing to state the same – that all funding should be cut to all of these countries including Israel?

    such a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life

    Read what I wrote in my other posts – nobody gets away with these crimes – nobody, not even Muslims. They will have to answer on the Day of Judgement like everyone else.

    In 2006 they just didn’t realize it was bad to own slaves. Happy that by 2007 the realized it was a bad thing.

    Indeed, there is a lot of messed up stuff going on in Mauritania – no doubt about that! Keep bringing up Mauritania to compare to Israel if it makes you feel better.

    slavery is condoned in the koran

    As it is in the Torah – which is why, historically, Jews were massively involved in the slave trade on all continents as suppliers. Props go most to Anglo-Saxon Quakers and their allies for pushing and pushing and using the British Crown’s influence to get rid of it around the world. French made a good showing too. Hats (and turbans) off to them.

    Peace.

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    Now, one could say, well that allows these countries to then divert certain funds toward military endeavors – which is a valid point. I don’t embrace hypocrisy thus I believe all tax-funded foreign aid should be cut to any countries in violation of international agreements or involved in illegal occupation. That means Indonesia, Sudan, Mauritania, etc. and – gasp – Israel. You willing to state the same – that all funding should be cut to all of these countries including Israel?
     
    Certainly you are correct to state that countries such as Morocco , Sudan , Mauritania , Indonesia who you have admitted committed genocide certainly would have no qualms about diverting or stealing funds earmarked for other endeavors to further their genocide and occupation .Certainly financial malfeasance is nothing compared to their other crimes so its guaranteed that they would do so .

    As far as funding and foreign aid goes, America is not the only country funding or aiding other countries . Russia , China ,Iran and Saudi Arabia , to name a few , are also funding various countries for infrastructure , insurgencies , to build nuclear weapons ( as in the case of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan ) , to build roads , to further occupations and many other reasons . If America were to cut off funding to one country or another , then certainly another player will step in to fill the void . It would be impossible and foolish to cut off funding for violating international agreements unless it was guaranteed that no other country would step in and fill the same role . Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.

    Read what I wrote in my other posts – nobody gets away with these crimes – nobody, not even Muslims. They will have to answer on the Day of Judgement like everyone else.
     
    We were not discussing the afterlife here . Neither you nor I can prove or know what goes on in the afterlife . I believe that is a cop out statement from you . It remains a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life .To judge lives based on dollars in a column as opposed to the amount of people killed is disgusting . You prefer less attention be given to countries committing genocide by the millions and your excuse is that while they also receive funding and aid from America , the dollar amount is less. Yes the dollar amount is less but the amount killed is millions more .

    Indeed, there is a lot of messed up stuff going on in Mauritania – no doubt about that! Keep bringing up Mauritania to compare to Israel if it makes you feel better
     
    I wasn't comparing , just highlighting hypocrisy . And it wasn't just Mauritania , but Mauritania ,Sudan , Indonesia , Morocco just to name a few ongoing occupations that all eclipse anything Israel has done both in the amount of people killed and the amount of land occupied , the amount of slavery occuring and any other metric.


    As it is in the Torah – which is why, historically, Jews were massively involved in the slave trade on all continents as suppliers. Props go most to Anglo-Saxon Quakers and their allies for pushing and pushing and using the British Crown’s influence to get rid of it around the world. French made a good showing too. Hats (and turbans) off to them.
     
    Slavery may have been practiced by in isolated incidents by Jews but not on the organized scale of Islamic slavery that has been going on for centuries and continues today . It is a straight line from mohamed to today of uninterrupted and continuous slavery in Islamic societies. In the modern world slavery is almost entirely and Islamic endeavor . From Boko Haram and their kidnapping of young Christian girls , and selling them as slaves ( after raping them) , to the slave markets and institutional slavery in the Islamic Republic of Mauritania , and The Islamic Repubic of Sudan . Lest we forget ISIS ( Islamic State in Syria and Iraq ) kidnapped thousands of Yezidi and Christian girls and sold them as slaves, after raping them .
  118. @geokat62

    ... and Israel Firsters anti-American????
     
    Hey, Wiz. Have you read this article, ‘NY Jewish Week’ speaks bluntly of ‘Israel firsters’ in US politics, by Philip Weiss?

    Here are a few excerpts:

    It’s good that American Jews will begin openly saying of other Jews that their first loyalty is Israel. It makes such a stance untenable: it will make it impossible for people who act on “what they believe is best for Israel” to hold high position in foreign policy-making in the U.S. government.

    Talking about dual loyalty was verboten for a good 30 years, ever since Gore Vidal attacked the Podhoretzes for dual loyalty in the Nation, and the scorn turned on Vidal; and the charge was said to be an anti-Semitic canard about the international Jew. (Scott McConnell treats that story in his new book Ex-Neocon). But the problem still exists; the existence of Israel Firsters was an important factor in the drive to go to war in Iraq, and in opposition to the Iran deal; and in order to fight that crowd, you have to be able to state publicly what they’re up to. A great number of American Jews have pointed out the dual loyalty problem, from Rabbi Melissa Weintraub to Peter Beinart to John Judis to Eric Alterman (list here). Last year Chuck Schumer told a Jewish audience there was a difference between American interests and Jewish interests over the Iran deal, and he had to back the American interest, and then he voted against the deal, and some charged dual loyalty. Of course the issue is inherent in the rise of the neoconservatives, as both Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol said in the 1970s that there was a “Jewish interest” (Kristol’s words) in the U.S. having a big defense budget so that it could help Israel. Some of those advocates became White House aides. Elliott Abrams said that Jews must stand apart from any society they are in except Israel, and he helped make US Middle East policy. And just last month Dennis Ross, the longtime peace processor, told a New York Jewish audience in what was presented as an off-the-record discussion that American Jews “need to be advocates for Israel” and not for Palestinians.

    So it’s good an American Jewish publication is acknowledging the question. Maybe we can have a mature conversation about the true agenda of many advocates in the Israel lobby at last. Maybe Dennis Ross won’t be considered to be the next secretary of state.

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/#sthash.BxjBl176.dpuf

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/
     
    So, Wiz, what do you think of the saying - No one can serve two masters - do you agree with or disagree with it?

    My frivolous quip with no point of view implied has led to your substantial question.

    Of course the literal truth is that a person can serve two masters but in some, possibly in some cases most, cases there will be conflict in attempting gto serve both at the same time. And of course if you are employed and paid by the US there should be no question of anyone outside your own home being able to give you orders.

    Also dual or multiple loyalties are possible even if we exclude the cases of family and nation.

    I am sure there are lots of clever Jews who convince themselves with careful sophisticated argument that they can reconcile dual loyalties but what I think you point to is the need to be suspicious of such people’s arguments and maybe reports if the issues are important enough. As the existence of Israel in an Arab ME clearly is. Even the inevitable residual loyalties of immigrants and such loyalties as Catholic policemen may have shown by burying complaints against priests can’t be denied but simply aren’t important enough to make a big issue out of. Even the subsidies to Israel might be dismissed with a shrug but getting billions spent on wars in which tens of thousands of Americans are killed or maimed might be regarded as crossing a line.

    I appreciated the link #90 as. I think you would.

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    @Talha

    Indonesia receives hundreds of millions in US tax dollars every year , as does Sudan , and Mauritania and Morocco , which obviously helps to further those occupations.
     
    So let's do the math...these countries do receive foreign aid, most of it goes into development, education and health. Israel gets massive military aid packages to the tune of billions per year:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/14/united-states-military-aid-israel/90358564/

    Now, one could say, well that allows these countries to then divert certain funds toward military endeavors - which is a valid point. I don't embrace hypocrisy thus I believe all tax-funded foreign aid should be cut to any countries in violation of international agreements or involved in illegal occupation. That means Indonesia, Sudan, Mauritania, etc. and - gasp - Israel. You willing to state the same - that all funding should be cut to all of these countries including Israel?


    such a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life
     
    Read what I wrote in my other posts - nobody gets away with these crimes - nobody, not even Muslims. They will have to answer on the Day of Judgement like everyone else.

    In 2006 they just didn’t realize it was bad to own slaves. Happy that by 2007 the realized it was a bad thing.
     
    Indeed, there is a lot of messed up stuff going on in Mauritania - no doubt about that! Keep bringing up Mauritania to compare to Israel if it makes you feel better.

    slavery is condoned in the koran
     
    As it is in the Torah - which is why, historically, Jews were massively involved in the slave trade on all continents as suppliers. Props go most to Anglo-Saxon Quakers and their allies for pushing and pushing and using the British Crown's influence to get rid of it around the world. French made a good showing too. Hats (and turbans) off to them.

    Peace.

    Now, one could say, well that allows these countries to then divert certain funds toward military endeavors – which is a valid point. I don’t embrace hypocrisy thus I believe all tax-funded foreign aid should be cut to any countries in violation of international agreements or involved in illegal occupation. That means Indonesia, Sudan, Mauritania, etc. and – gasp – Israel. You willing to state the same – that all funding should be cut to all of these countries including Israel?

    Certainly you are correct to state that countries such as Morocco , Sudan , Mauritania , Indonesia who you have admitted committed genocide certainly would have no qualms about diverting or stealing funds earmarked for other endeavors to further their genocide and occupation .Certainly financial malfeasance is nothing compared to their other crimes so its guaranteed that they would do so .

    As far as funding and foreign aid goes, America is not the only country funding or aiding other countries . Russia , China ,Iran and Saudi Arabia , to name a few , are also funding various countries for infrastructure , insurgencies , to build nuclear weapons ( as in the case of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan ) , to build roads , to further occupations and many other reasons . If America were to cut off funding to one country or another , then certainly another player will step in to fill the void . It would be impossible and foolish to cut off funding for violating international agreements unless it was guaranteed that no other country would step in and fill the same role . Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.

    Read what I wrote in my other posts – nobody gets away with these crimes – nobody, not even Muslims. They will have to answer on the Day of Judgement like everyone else.

    We were not discussing the afterlife here . Neither you nor I can prove or know what goes on in the afterlife . I believe that is a cop out statement from you . It remains a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life .To judge lives based on dollars in a column as opposed to the amount of people killed is disgusting . You prefer less attention be given to countries committing genocide by the millions and your excuse is that while they also receive funding and aid from America , the dollar amount is less. Yes the dollar amount is less but the amount killed is millions more .

    Indeed, there is a lot of messed up stuff going on in Mauritania – no doubt about that! Keep bringing up Mauritania to compare to Israel if it makes you feel better

    I wasn’t comparing , just highlighting hypocrisy . And it wasn’t just Mauritania , but Mauritania ,Sudan , Indonesia , Morocco just to name a few ongoing occupations that all eclipse anything Israel has done both in the amount of people killed and the amount of land occupied , the amount of slavery occuring and any other metric.

    As it is in the Torah – which is why, historically, Jews were massively involved in the slave trade on all continents as suppliers. Props go most to Anglo-Saxon Quakers and their allies for pushing and pushing and using the British Crown’s influence to get rid of it around the world. French made a good showing too. Hats (and turbans) off to them.

    Slavery may have been practiced by in isolated incidents by Jews but not on the organized scale of Islamic slavery that has been going on for centuries and continues today . It is a straight line from mohamed to today of uninterrupted and continuous slavery in Islamic societies. In the modern world slavery is almost entirely and Islamic endeavor . From Boko Haram and their kidnapping of young Christian girls , and selling them as slaves ( after raping them) , to the slave markets and institutional slavery in the Islamic Republic of Mauritania , and The Islamic Repubic of Sudan . Lest we forget ISIS ( Islamic State in Syria and Iraq ) kidnapped thousands of Yezidi and Christian girls and sold them as slaves, after raping them .

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    If America were to cut off funding to one country or another , then certainly another player will step in to fill the void
     
    Boo hoo - look bro, you ain't fooling me with this madness. I'm not a citizen of those countries - I have no responsibility for their actions. Why is Israel the only one off your list of those whose foreign aid should stop - stat? Let's agree to cut off all the foreign aid across the board, no?

    Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.
     
    Cry me a river - so they should change policies in order to get aid if it's that important.

    You prefer less attention be given to countries committing genocide by the millions and your excuse is that while they also receive funding and aid from America , the dollar amount is less.
     
    No I don't - as I stated earlier - cut off all foreign aid to all violators irrespective of body count. You seem to be more concerned about making sure there is some kind of a body count minimum standard so Israel isn't affected. Now that seems callous and cynical to me.

    On your comments on slavery - please bro! Jews were making plenty of money off the Muslim and Christian demands for slaves - please don't bring that nonsense here, I'm well aware of Muslim history on the subject:
    "With the rise of Islam large opportunities were afforded to the Jews to supply Moslem slaves to the Christian world, and Christian slaves to that of Islam; and Ibn Khordadhbeh in the ninth century describes two routes by which Jewish slave-dealers carried such slaves from West to East and from East to West (see Commerce). According to Abraham ibn Ya'ḳub, Byzantine Jews regularly purchased Slavs at Prague to be sold as slaves...Many, indeed, of the Spanish Jews owed their wealth to the trade in Slavonian slaves brought from Andalusia (Grätz, "Gesch." vii.). Similarly, the Jews of Verdun, about the year 949, purchased slaves in their neighborhood and sold them in Spain (Aronius, "Regesten," No. 127)."
    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13798-slave-trade


    It is a straight line from mohamed
     
    Uh no - the practice predates him and even Abraham (pbuh) by millennia - Islam simply added rules for its conduct - it neither demanded its eradication nor its implementation - that was left up to each culture. Though it did encourage emancipation as did other faiths.

    Boko Haram, Daesh...seriously? Muslim scholars around the world have roundly condemned them and Muslims are on the front lines fighting them.

    Stop obfuscating - so are you down with ending all foreign aid to all occupiers or is Israel your one exception?

    Peace.

    , @geokat62

    It would be impossible and foolish to cut off funding for violating international agreements unless it was guaranteed that no other country would step in and fill the same role.
     
    Are you seriously suggesting that if US were to suspend funding to Israel, then Russia , China, Iran and Saudi Arabia, to name a few, would step in and fill the void by paying tribute... eh, I mean by giving aid... to Israel to the tune of 4.5 billion a year?

    Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.
     
    ... and your point is?
  120. @Talha
    I love it when Zionism is brought up!

    One of my favorite canned responses is - "Look over there - Muslims! Good God man - they're eating halal meat - Shariah is here!!! Save the children!" LOL!

    Peace.

    How about this as a minor amendment to your canned response:

    Good God man – they’re hideous savages whose blood lust cannot be sated. They burn prisoners alive in cages, behead people as a religious pastime, traffic in slaves, turn swimming pools and gardens into latrines, infest Western countries as parasites, and live for the day they can shove their shariah filth down the throats of the dhimmis.

    I think this is a big improvement, don’t you?

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    Hey Ace,

    As I said earlier, those that are doing such works as you've cited - kick them out, no complaints from me.

    Peace.
  121. @geokat62

    mondoweiss …….did you say mondoweiss.
     
    Yes, Mondoweiss.

    the Yonah Fredman and the Krauss and let us not forget Hophmi

    a lot of good stuff is posted but lately they have dropped off.something happened.archives went missing etc.most of my posts are deleted these days.i still go back for a read.the fact is the i/p has become so toxic it poisons all that wanders into it’s path.

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  122. @Ace
    How about this as a minor amendment to your canned response:

    Good God man – they're hideous savages whose blood lust cannot be sated. They burn prisoners alive in cages, behead people as a religious pastime, traffic in slaves, turn swimming pools and gardens into latrines, infest Western countries as parasites, and live for the day they can shove their shariah filth down the throats of the dhimmis.
     
    I think this is a big improvement, don't you?

    Hey Ace,

    As I said earlier, those that are doing such works as you’ve cited – kick them out, no complaints from me.

    Peace.

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  123. @anon

    Now, one could say, well that allows these countries to then divert certain funds toward military endeavors – which is a valid point. I don’t embrace hypocrisy thus I believe all tax-funded foreign aid should be cut to any countries in violation of international agreements or involved in illegal occupation. That means Indonesia, Sudan, Mauritania, etc. and – gasp – Israel. You willing to state the same – that all funding should be cut to all of these countries including Israel?
     
    Certainly you are correct to state that countries such as Morocco , Sudan , Mauritania , Indonesia who you have admitted committed genocide certainly would have no qualms about diverting or stealing funds earmarked for other endeavors to further their genocide and occupation .Certainly financial malfeasance is nothing compared to their other crimes so its guaranteed that they would do so .

    As far as funding and foreign aid goes, America is not the only country funding or aiding other countries . Russia , China ,Iran and Saudi Arabia , to name a few , are also funding various countries for infrastructure , insurgencies , to build nuclear weapons ( as in the case of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan ) , to build roads , to further occupations and many other reasons . If America were to cut off funding to one country or another , then certainly another player will step in to fill the void . It would be impossible and foolish to cut off funding for violating international agreements unless it was guaranteed that no other country would step in and fill the same role . Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.

    Read what I wrote in my other posts – nobody gets away with these crimes – nobody, not even Muslims. They will have to answer on the Day of Judgement like everyone else.
     
    We were not discussing the afterlife here . Neither you nor I can prove or know what goes on in the afterlife . I believe that is a cop out statement from you . It remains a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life .To judge lives based on dollars in a column as opposed to the amount of people killed is disgusting . You prefer less attention be given to countries committing genocide by the millions and your excuse is that while they also receive funding and aid from America , the dollar amount is less. Yes the dollar amount is less but the amount killed is millions more .

    Indeed, there is a lot of messed up stuff going on in Mauritania – no doubt about that! Keep bringing up Mauritania to compare to Israel if it makes you feel better
     
    I wasn't comparing , just highlighting hypocrisy . And it wasn't just Mauritania , but Mauritania ,Sudan , Indonesia , Morocco just to name a few ongoing occupations that all eclipse anything Israel has done both in the amount of people killed and the amount of land occupied , the amount of slavery occuring and any other metric.


    As it is in the Torah – which is why, historically, Jews were massively involved in the slave trade on all continents as suppliers. Props go most to Anglo-Saxon Quakers and their allies for pushing and pushing and using the British Crown’s influence to get rid of it around the world. French made a good showing too. Hats (and turbans) off to them.
     
    Slavery may have been practiced by in isolated incidents by Jews but not on the organized scale of Islamic slavery that has been going on for centuries and continues today . It is a straight line from mohamed to today of uninterrupted and continuous slavery in Islamic societies. In the modern world slavery is almost entirely and Islamic endeavor . From Boko Haram and their kidnapping of young Christian girls , and selling them as slaves ( after raping them) , to the slave markets and institutional slavery in the Islamic Republic of Mauritania , and The Islamic Repubic of Sudan . Lest we forget ISIS ( Islamic State in Syria and Iraq ) kidnapped thousands of Yezidi and Christian girls and sold them as slaves, after raping them .

    If America were to cut off funding to one country or another , then certainly another player will step in to fill the void

    Boo hoo – look bro, you ain’t fooling me with this madness. I’m not a citizen of those countries – I have no responsibility for their actions. Why is Israel the only one off your list of those whose foreign aid should stop – stat? Let’s agree to cut off all the foreign aid across the board, no?

    Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.

    Cry me a river – so they should change policies in order to get aid if it’s that important.

    You prefer less attention be given to countries committing genocide by the millions and your excuse is that while they also receive funding and aid from America , the dollar amount is less.

    No I don’t – as I stated earlier – cut off all foreign aid to all violators irrespective of body count. You seem to be more concerned about making sure there is some kind of a body count minimum standard so Israel isn’t affected. Now that seems callous and cynical to me.

    On your comments on slavery – please bro! Jews were making plenty of money off the Muslim and Christian demands for slaves – please don’t bring that nonsense here, I’m well aware of Muslim history on the subject:
    “With the rise of Islam large opportunities were afforded to the Jews to supply Moslem slaves to the Christian world, and Christian slaves to that of Islam; and Ibn Khordadhbeh in the ninth century describes two routes by which Jewish slave-dealers carried such slaves from West to East and from East to West (see Commerce). According to Abraham ibn Ya’ḳub, Byzantine Jews regularly purchased Slavs at Prague to be sold as slaves…Many, indeed, of the Spanish Jews owed their wealth to the trade in Slavonian slaves brought from Andalusia (Grätz, “Gesch.” vii.). Similarly, the Jews of Verdun, about the year 949, purchased slaves in their neighborhood and sold them in Spain (Aronius, “Regesten,” No. 127).”

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13798-slave-trade

    It is a straight line from mohamed

    Uh no – the practice predates him and even Abraham (pbuh) by millennia – Islam simply added rules for its conduct – it neither demanded its eradication nor its implementation – that was left up to each culture. Though it did encourage emancipation as did other faiths.

    Boko Haram, Daesh…seriously? Muslim scholars around the world have roundly condemned them and Muslims are on the front lines fighting them.

    Stop obfuscating – so are you down with ending all foreign aid to all occupiers or is Israel your one exception?

    Peace.

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    talha says

    "boo hoo look bro"

    also

    "so are you down with"

    and then ...."cut off aid to all violators"

    tahla do this ....take the cup to your right and look into it.look closely and you will see a greyish shadow.ask yourself.

    why

    peace!

    , @anon

    cut off all foreign aid to all violators irrespective of body count.
     
    Can you name any countries that have zero human rights violations ?? You are proposing no foreign aid to any country or from any country , since there is not a country without human rights violations . But the sensible thing to do is cut off all aid to the worst human rights violators and also cut off all immigration to Western countries from the worst human rights violating countries. We could start with the absolute worst countries . Countries with genocides reaching into the millions of casualties . Countries without any freedom of religion . Countries that still practice slavery . Countries that execute Christians and Homosexuals .Sudan , Indonesia , Afghanistan , Pakistan ,Iran ,Saudi Arabia , Malaysia ,Somalia , Morocco , Eritrea , Djibouti , Yemen , Nigeria , Syria ,Mauritania and Libya would qualify . This would be a good start .

    Uh no – the practice predates him and even Abraham (pbuh) by millennia – Islam simply added rules for its conduct – it neither demanded its eradication nor its implementation – that was left up to each culture. Though it did encourage emancipation as did other faiths.
     
    You are good at throwing red herrings ................I never said slavery didn't occur before mohamad. I said it was a straight line from mohamad to the current day as regards slavery. Meaning since the time of mohamad until today slavery has continued uninterrupted in Islamic countries . You admit as much with Mauritania . There is no Jewish or Christian slave trade today ,only the Islamic slave trade with the slave capital in Mauritania.

    Boko Haram, Daesh…seriously? Muslim scholars around the world have roundly condemned them and Muslims are on the front lines fighting them.
     
    Muslims around the world have also roundly joined them and Muslims from around the world have also roundly taken up arms with them , and Muslims around the world have also roundly joined them in raping and pillaging , slaving and genocide. Muslims are also the only ones joining Boko Haram and ISIS ( Islamic State in Iraq and Syria) . Boko Haram and ISIS are comprised only of Muslims , and are supported only by Muslims. 24% of French Muslims support ISIS .
  124. @Wizard of Oz
    Would you care to go beyond a thought bubble and spell this out with examples and mechanisms. E.g. the powerless ageing King of Thailand couldn't be criticised without severe danger to liberty. Aborigines in Australia!ia can't be criticised if you are White without a huge weight of legal and social PC fallng on you.....

    I believe it is a quote from Voltaire, but being a wizard you would know that.

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    But if you weren't lazy (as to which I rely on your own testimony) you would know that it is one of the made up Voltaire quotes, in this case from a white supremacist neo-Nazi. See e.g.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/27/cory-bernardi-mistakenly-quotes-voltaire-on-twitter-with-supposed-neo-nazis-line
  125. @anon

    That is of course the case, since we outnumber Jews 80 or 90 to 1 – proportionally, Muslims would have to murder 80 to 90 people per one murder by a Jewish person just to keep the ratios even. And many of those conflicts are inter-Muslim conflicts – like in Darfur or Syria – nobody is talking about the way European Jews treat Ethiopian Jews here because that is an inter-Jewish issue:
     
    Correct that Muslims are outnumbering Jews 80-1 , but I submit that they are killing at a far larger rate than that. And as far as your Ethiopian analogy , you are well aware that Ethiopians were brought to Israel and I know of no instance of any being targeted and killed in the same manner that Athiests are targeted for public death by beating in Bangladesh or subjected to systematic rape as in the Sudan by the Janjaweed militia, nor are they forced into slavery , I mean really , slavery in 2017 as in Mauritania . Did you know there were more articles in the media in 2016 highlighting slavery that ended in the 1860s than there were highlighting the slavery currently occuring in Mauritania. Amazing . Ethiopians are not the subject of genocide like Papuans and Darfuris , so a false analogy indeed . .

    . The plight of Darfuris and Papuans (and others) should be made known – that is a noble cause – but to use those crimes as a smokescreen for the crimes of Israel is not.
     

    I submit that the opposite is true .I think that Israel is being used as smokescreen for the crimes of other nations ( Indonesia , Sudan ,Morocco, Russia ,China , Turkey , Syria &c.) . If other nations are in the midst of brutal occupations ( Indonesia , Sudan ,Morocco, Russia ,China , Turkey , Syria &c.) that are occupying more land , killing more civilians &c. but yet Israel gets all the media attention then it is obvious that the real smokescreen is enjoyed by Islamic countries at the expense of Israel .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjaweed
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/07/who_are_the_janjaweed.html
    https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/features/darfur/fiveyearson/report4.html
    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/03/world/mauritania.slaverys.last.stronghold/

    anon

    i find your post interesting.i usually skip these long winded replies but i am somewhat surprised at the amount of genocide going on especially in islamic countries and never considered that blaming israel is a ploy.the question then must be asked is this.why has the un not protested.

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    Mcohen,
    Yes there is a tremendous amount of genocide , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and slavery going on in the Islamic world. Their main tactic is to use Israel as a smoke screen to deflect attention from their crimes against humanity .Even a country like Jordan which is not as bad as the rest uses Israel as a smokescreen to deflect from their illegitimacy of being a 20% Hashamite minority in control of the country that is 80% Palestinian . The only way for them to deflect attention is to constantly use Israel as a smokescreen .

    Islam is a fantastic way to degrade and control a population . Someplace like Sudan that engages in the worst genocide since WW2 and has killed millions can successfully distract their population from anything that they are doing by showing a single Muslim dying at the hands of Israel . For them that single Muslim dying in Israel is far worse than the millions killed by their own government. They will riot for weeks and kill hundreds over a cartoon published in Denmark.

    In the case of Indonesia the government provides its citizens as slave labor so Westerners can enjoy cheap consumer goods .Average wage in Indonesia is 200$ per month . They also act as a single entity for control of shipping lanes and international commerce through a maze of 17,000 islands. The great powers do not want to negotiate through several smaller states .It would disrupt commerce.

    Here is an article about moderate Indonesia .The current governor of Jakarta , the first Christian and first ethnic Chinese to hold the position is on trial for blasphemy and is forbidden to leave the country , for making a joke about the koran.
    http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/indonesia-police-name-jakarta-governor-as-blasphemy-suspect-2/
  126. @Talha

    If America were to cut off funding to one country or another , then certainly another player will step in to fill the void
     
    Boo hoo - look bro, you ain't fooling me with this madness. I'm not a citizen of those countries - I have no responsibility for their actions. Why is Israel the only one off your list of those whose foreign aid should stop - stat? Let's agree to cut off all the foreign aid across the board, no?

    Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.
     
    Cry me a river - so they should change policies in order to get aid if it's that important.

    You prefer less attention be given to countries committing genocide by the millions and your excuse is that while they also receive funding and aid from America , the dollar amount is less.
     
    No I don't - as I stated earlier - cut off all foreign aid to all violators irrespective of body count. You seem to be more concerned about making sure there is some kind of a body count minimum standard so Israel isn't affected. Now that seems callous and cynical to me.

    On your comments on slavery - please bro! Jews were making plenty of money off the Muslim and Christian demands for slaves - please don't bring that nonsense here, I'm well aware of Muslim history on the subject:
    "With the rise of Islam large opportunities were afforded to the Jews to supply Moslem slaves to the Christian world, and Christian slaves to that of Islam; and Ibn Khordadhbeh in the ninth century describes two routes by which Jewish slave-dealers carried such slaves from West to East and from East to West (see Commerce). According to Abraham ibn Ya'ḳub, Byzantine Jews regularly purchased Slavs at Prague to be sold as slaves...Many, indeed, of the Spanish Jews owed their wealth to the trade in Slavonian slaves brought from Andalusia (Grätz, "Gesch." vii.). Similarly, the Jews of Verdun, about the year 949, purchased slaves in their neighborhood and sold them in Spain (Aronius, "Regesten," No. 127)."
    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13798-slave-trade


    It is a straight line from mohamed
     
    Uh no - the practice predates him and even Abraham (pbuh) by millennia - Islam simply added rules for its conduct - it neither demanded its eradication nor its implementation - that was left up to each culture. Though it did encourage emancipation as did other faiths.

    Boko Haram, Daesh...seriously? Muslim scholars around the world have roundly condemned them and Muslims are on the front lines fighting them.

    Stop obfuscating - so are you down with ending all foreign aid to all occupiers or is Israel your one exception?

    Peace.

    talha says

    “boo hoo look bro”

    also

    “so are you down with”

    and then ….”cut off aid to all violators”

    tahla do this ….take the cup to your right and look into it.look closely and you will see a greyish shadow.ask yourself.

    why

    peace!

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    Hey mcohen,

    What's in the cup to my left is far more interesting...

    "With those countries as well, Israel’s military-industrial complex played a role. Relations with China and Indonesia from the beginning contained key security and defense elements. Ties with Indonesia started to pick up in the late 1970s at the time of Indonesia’s invasion of East Timor and developed markedly in the late 1980s...In Indonesia’s case, it was Israel’s support, with U.S. consent, of Indonesia’s military venture in East Timor, which eased economic relations with Suharto’s regime."
    http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/19067/israel-deepens-asia-ties-in-gradual-realignment-of-foreign-policy

    "Israel has exported security equipment over the past five years to Pakistan and four Arab countries, according to a British government report. The report, which deals with British government permits for arms and security equipment exports, says that in addition to Pakistan, Israel has exported such equipment to Egypt, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates and Morocco."
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.528993

    Crocodile tears...too salty for my taste. Will Israel - paragon of virtue that she is - stop supplying and thus enabling human rights violators?

    Peace.
  127. @anon

    Now, one could say, well that allows these countries to then divert certain funds toward military endeavors – which is a valid point. I don’t embrace hypocrisy thus I believe all tax-funded foreign aid should be cut to any countries in violation of international agreements or involved in illegal occupation. That means Indonesia, Sudan, Mauritania, etc. and – gasp – Israel. You willing to state the same – that all funding should be cut to all of these countries including Israel?
     
    Certainly you are correct to state that countries such as Morocco , Sudan , Mauritania , Indonesia who you have admitted committed genocide certainly would have no qualms about diverting or stealing funds earmarked for other endeavors to further their genocide and occupation .Certainly financial malfeasance is nothing compared to their other crimes so its guaranteed that they would do so .

    As far as funding and foreign aid goes, America is not the only country funding or aiding other countries . Russia , China ,Iran and Saudi Arabia , to name a few , are also funding various countries for infrastructure , insurgencies , to build nuclear weapons ( as in the case of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan ) , to build roads , to further occupations and many other reasons . If America were to cut off funding to one country or another , then certainly another player will step in to fill the void . It would be impossible and foolish to cut off funding for violating international agreements unless it was guaranteed that no other country would step in and fill the same role . Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.

    Read what I wrote in my other posts – nobody gets away with these crimes – nobody, not even Muslims. They will have to answer on the Day of Judgement like everyone else.
     
    We were not discussing the afterlife here . Neither you nor I can prove or know what goes on in the afterlife . I believe that is a cop out statement from you . It remains a callous and cynical way to view the loss of human life .To judge lives based on dollars in a column as opposed to the amount of people killed is disgusting . You prefer less attention be given to countries committing genocide by the millions and your excuse is that while they also receive funding and aid from America , the dollar amount is less. Yes the dollar amount is less but the amount killed is millions more .

    Indeed, there is a lot of messed up stuff going on in Mauritania – no doubt about that! Keep bringing up Mauritania to compare to Israel if it makes you feel better
     
    I wasn't comparing , just highlighting hypocrisy . And it wasn't just Mauritania , but Mauritania ,Sudan , Indonesia , Morocco just to name a few ongoing occupations that all eclipse anything Israel has done both in the amount of people killed and the amount of land occupied , the amount of slavery occuring and any other metric.


    As it is in the Torah – which is why, historically, Jews were massively involved in the slave trade on all continents as suppliers. Props go most to Anglo-Saxon Quakers and their allies for pushing and pushing and using the British Crown’s influence to get rid of it around the world. French made a good showing too. Hats (and turbans) off to them.
     
    Slavery may have been practiced by in isolated incidents by Jews but not on the organized scale of Islamic slavery that has been going on for centuries and continues today . It is a straight line from mohamed to today of uninterrupted and continuous slavery in Islamic societies. In the modern world slavery is almost entirely and Islamic endeavor . From Boko Haram and their kidnapping of young Christian girls , and selling them as slaves ( after raping them) , to the slave markets and institutional slavery in the Islamic Republic of Mauritania , and The Islamic Repubic of Sudan . Lest we forget ISIS ( Islamic State in Syria and Iraq ) kidnapped thousands of Yezidi and Christian girls and sold them as slaves, after raping them .

    It would be impossible and foolish to cut off funding for violating international agreements unless it was guaranteed that no other country would step in and fill the same role.

    Are you seriously suggesting that if US were to suspend funding to Israel, then Russia , China, Iran and Saudi Arabia, to name a few, would step in and fill the void by paying tribute… eh, I mean by giving aid… to Israel to the tune of 4.5 billion a year?

    Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.

    … and your point is?

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    Are you seriously suggesting that if US were to suspend funding to Israel, then Russia , China, Iran and Saudi Arabia, to name a few, would step in and fill the void by paying tribute… eh, I mean by giving aid… to Israel to the tune of 4.5 billion a year?
     
    First you yourself have posted here that you think Saudi and Israel are secret allies. So why wouldn't secret allies help each other financially ?? Or are you changing your mind about that now ??

    Also as you see I was referring to any country not just Israel . For instance if the United States cut off aid for example to Indonesia for violations , then China or Russia could fill in the void . If China for instance cut off aid to Cambodia for violations , then USA or Russia could fill the void. If Russia cut off funding to Syria , then Saudi Arabia could fill in the void &c. &c. &c.. I know Israel is the only thing on your mind , notwithstanding dozens of countries with worse records, but some of us consider the entire world when assessing global issues.
  128. […] Review: “Against Our Better Judgment” […]

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  129. @mcohen
    talha says

    "boo hoo look bro"

    also

    "so are you down with"

    and then ...."cut off aid to all violators"

    tahla do this ....take the cup to your right and look into it.look closely and you will see a greyish shadow.ask yourself.

    why

    peace!

    Hey mcohen,

    What’s in the cup to my left is far more interesting…

    “With those countries as well, Israel’s military-industrial complex played a role. Relations with China and Indonesia from the beginning contained key security and defense elements. Ties with Indonesia started to pick up in the late 1970s at the time of Indonesia’s invasion of East Timor and developed markedly in the late 1980s…In Indonesia’s case, it was Israel’s support, with U.S. consent, of Indonesia’s military venture in East Timor, which eased economic relations with Suharto’s regime.”

    http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/19067/israel-deepens-asia-ties-in-gradual-realignment-of-foreign-policy

    “Israel has exported security equipment over the past five years to Pakistan and four Arab countries, according to a British government report. The report, which deals with British government permits for arms and security equipment exports, says that in addition to Pakistan, Israel has exported such equipment to Egypt, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates and Morocco.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.528993

    Crocodile tears…too salty for my taste. Will Israel – paragon of virtue that she is – stop supplying and thus enabling human rights violators?

    Peace.

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    hi talha

    i know my bad ...my left is your right

    we face each other.what do crocodile tears taste like.are they salty like they say.
    would you like to read a story about a crocodile and a little boy who lived in africa

    peace
  130. @NoseytheDuke
    I believe it is a quote from Voltaire, but being a wizard you would know that.

    But if you weren’t lazy (as to which I rely on your own testimony) you would know that it is one of the made up Voltaire quotes, in this case from a white supremacist neo-Nazi. See e.g.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/27/cory-bernardi-mistakenly-quotes-voltaire-on-twitter-with-supposed-neo-nazis-line

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  131. @Pandos
    Trump's election saved Israel from being responsible for World War III. Israel and Saudi remain responsible for ME genocide and looting. Shame on both.

    Muslims killing muslims. Good!

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  132. @schmenz
    Would someone send this article to Donald Trump?

    Why? He gets all his information from watching TV.

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  133. @mcohen
    peace art

    you spelt rachel cory wrong ...it is corrie.

    at least get the spelling right you twat.

    piss art

    peace art

    you spelt rachel cory wrong …it is corrie.

    at least get the spelling right you twat.

    piss art

    I can fix my spelling – how do you fix your killing?

    Are you a brainstem addled 10-year-old?

    Peace – Art

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    art

    i can stop the killing.but i need your help

    peace
  134. @Talha
    Hey mcohen,

    What's in the cup to my left is far more interesting...

    "With those countries as well, Israel’s military-industrial complex played a role. Relations with China and Indonesia from the beginning contained key security and defense elements. Ties with Indonesia started to pick up in the late 1970s at the time of Indonesia’s invasion of East Timor and developed markedly in the late 1980s...In Indonesia’s case, it was Israel’s support, with U.S. consent, of Indonesia’s military venture in East Timor, which eased economic relations with Suharto’s regime."
    http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/19067/israel-deepens-asia-ties-in-gradual-realignment-of-foreign-policy

    "Israel has exported security equipment over the past five years to Pakistan and four Arab countries, according to a British government report. The report, which deals with British government permits for arms and security equipment exports, says that in addition to Pakistan, Israel has exported such equipment to Egypt, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates and Morocco."
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.528993

    Crocodile tears...too salty for my taste. Will Israel - paragon of virtue that she is - stop supplying and thus enabling human rights violators?

    Peace.

    hi talha

    i know my bad …my left is your right

    we face each other.what do crocodile tears taste like.are they salty like they say.
    would you like to read a story about a crocodile and a little boy who lived in africa

    peace

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    Sure - post it - maybe I can share with my kids.

    You're down with no foreign aid to Israel and all other countries violating international law, right?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnP5iDKwuwk

    Peace.
  135. @Art

    peace art

    you spelt rachel cory wrong …it is corrie.

    at least get the spelling right you twat.

    piss art
     
    I can fix my spelling - how do you fix your killing?

    Are you a brainstem addled 10-year-old?

    Peace - Art

    art

    i can stop the killing.but i need your help

    peace

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    art

    i can stop the killing.but i need your help

    peace
     
    Sincerely man - you have it!

    Peace --- Art
  136. @mcohen
    hi talha

    i know my bad ...my left is your right

    we face each other.what do crocodile tears taste like.are they salty like they say.
    would you like to read a story about a crocodile and a little boy who lived in africa

    peace

    Sure – post it – maybe I can share with my kids.

    You’re down with no foreign aid to Israel and all other countries violating international law, right?

    Peace.

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  137. @anon
    " Ramhole the Takkiya Troll " . Wasn't it just yesterday that you were dedicating your posts to calling Christians " Child molesters " ??

    Hmmmmm – I didn’t know I’m a major shareholder of NYT, WSJ, WT, Jewish Chronicle, etc. which are obsessed with sex in Christian churches. Well, I guess I have to make a call to my maternal Jewish uncle Rupert Murdoch to find out the truth ….

    But, may I remind the readers here that UK’s Chief Rabbi Mirvis admitted last year that Western Jewish communities were loaded with child molesters ….

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/11/25/uk-chief-rabbi-admits-epidemic-child-sexual-abuse/

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  138. @mcohen
    art

    i can stop the killing.but i need your help

    peace

    art

    i can stop the killing.but i need your help

    peace

    Sincerely man – you have it!

    Peace — Art

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    @Talha

    If America were to cut off funding to one country or another , then certainly another player will step in to fill the void
     
    Boo hoo - look bro, you ain't fooling me with this madness. I'm not a citizen of those countries - I have no responsibility for their actions. Why is Israel the only one off your list of those whose foreign aid should stop - stat? Let's agree to cut off all the foreign aid across the board, no?

    Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.
     
    Cry me a river - so they should change policies in order to get aid if it's that important.

    You prefer less attention be given to countries committing genocide by the millions and your excuse is that while they also receive funding and aid from America , the dollar amount is less.
     
    No I don't - as I stated earlier - cut off all foreign aid to all violators irrespective of body count. You seem to be more concerned about making sure there is some kind of a body count minimum standard so Israel isn't affected. Now that seems callous and cynical to me.

    On your comments on slavery - please bro! Jews were making plenty of money off the Muslim and Christian demands for slaves - please don't bring that nonsense here, I'm well aware of Muslim history on the subject:
    "With the rise of Islam large opportunities were afforded to the Jews to supply Moslem slaves to the Christian world, and Christian slaves to that of Islam; and Ibn Khordadhbeh in the ninth century describes two routes by which Jewish slave-dealers carried such slaves from West to East and from East to West (see Commerce). According to Abraham ibn Ya'ḳub, Byzantine Jews regularly purchased Slavs at Prague to be sold as slaves...Many, indeed, of the Spanish Jews owed their wealth to the trade in Slavonian slaves brought from Andalusia (Grätz, "Gesch." vii.). Similarly, the Jews of Verdun, about the year 949, purchased slaves in their neighborhood and sold them in Spain (Aronius, "Regesten," No. 127)."
    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13798-slave-trade


    It is a straight line from mohamed
     
    Uh no - the practice predates him and even Abraham (pbuh) by millennia - Islam simply added rules for its conduct - it neither demanded its eradication nor its implementation - that was left up to each culture. Though it did encourage emancipation as did other faiths.

    Boko Haram, Daesh...seriously? Muslim scholars around the world have roundly condemned them and Muslims are on the front lines fighting them.

    Stop obfuscating - so are you down with ending all foreign aid to all occupiers or is Israel your one exception?

    Peace.

    cut off all foreign aid to all violators irrespective of body count.

    Can you name any countries that have zero human rights violations ?? You are proposing no foreign aid to any country or from any country , since there is not a country without human rights violations . But the sensible thing to do is cut off all aid to the worst human rights violators and also cut off all immigration to Western countries from the worst human rights violating countries. We could start with the absolute worst countries . Countries with genocides reaching into the millions of casualties . Countries without any freedom of religion . Countries that still practice slavery . Countries that execute Christians and Homosexuals .Sudan , Indonesia , Afghanistan , Pakistan ,Iran ,Saudi Arabia , Malaysia ,Somalia , Morocco , Eritrea , Djibouti , Yemen , Nigeria , Syria ,Mauritania and Libya would qualify . This would be a good start .

    Uh no – the practice predates him and even Abraham (pbuh) by millennia – Islam simply added rules for its conduct – it neither demanded its eradication nor its implementation – that was left up to each culture. Though it did encourage emancipation as did other faiths.

    You are good at throwing red herrings …………….I never said slavery didn’t occur before mohamad. I said it was a straight line from mohamad to the current day as regards slavery. Meaning since the time of mohamad until today slavery has continued uninterrupted in Islamic countries . You admit as much with Mauritania . There is no Jewish or Christian slave trade today ,only the Islamic slave trade with the slave capital in Mauritania.

    Boko Haram, Daesh…seriously? Muslim scholars around the world have roundly condemned them and Muslims are on the front lines fighting them.

    Muslims around the world have also roundly joined them and Muslims from around the world have also roundly taken up arms with them , and Muslims around the world have also roundly joined them in raping and pillaging , slaving and genocide. Muslims are also the only ones joining Boko Haram and ISIS ( Islamic State in Iraq and Syria) . Boko Haram and ISIS are comprised only of Muslims , and are supported only by Muslims. 24% of French Muslims support ISIS .

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    Can you name any countries that have zero human rights violations?
     
    Iceland and Norway and Luxembourg - I see no problem in sending them aid.

    You are proposing no foreign aid to any country or from any country
     
    No - these are your words. I am only concerned with foreign aid that my government, my tax dollars are involved in. If China, Russia or the UK want to send aid, that's up to their citizens or rulers to deal with - not me.

    Sudan , Indonesia , Afghanistan , Pakistan ,Iran ,Saudi Arabia , Malaysia ,Somalia , Morocco , Eritrea , Djibouti , Yemen , Nigeria , Syria ,Mauritania and Libya would qualify
     
    Malaysia executes Christians - what??? Let's assume all of what you propose is true - which it isn't - you're just flinging crap and hoping something/anything sticks. Like I said cut off all aid to all violators, irrespective of body counts.

    This would be a good start
     
    LOL! Of course it would - Israel gets to weasel out again! You operate on the 'moral calculus' that the police shouldn't arrest you since you get drunk and beat your wife and kids into a pulp only once a week and because your neighbor does it everyday. Sorry - I don't operate on those terms. Cut off all aid to occupiers, no exceptions!

    And, please don't pretend like Israel has these moral qualms:
    "Stratfor's analysis claims Eritrea's government - one of the world's harshest regimes - is nurturing relations with the two rival nations in order to maintain its advantage against its larger neighbor Ethiopia, from which it gained independence in 1991, and Djibouti and Yemen...It was also reported that Eritrea receives financial aid from Iran and military aid from Israel."
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/both-iran-and-israel-have-military-bases-in-eritrea-global-intel-reports.premium-1.484326

    They have no problems supplying Indonesian military with drones, Uzis and assault rifles - even to the dreaded Kopassus - who are the very essence of the occupation shock troops you keep railing about.


    You are good at throwing red herrings
     
    Bro, you are the king - nay, the Padishah Emperor - of red herrings. Why the hell else am I even discussing slavery in Mauritania under an article on Zionist influence in the US government - think!

    only the Islamic slave trade with the slave capital in Mauritania
     
    Oh noze! Remote parts of Mauritania and possibly parts of Sudan still have slavery! How can the rest of the 50+ Muslim countries look themselves in the mirror??!! I think the only possible act of public contrition that would make up for it must involve us evacuating Palestinians out of Gaza and West Bank.

    Boko Haram and ISIS are comprised only of Muslims , and are supported only by Muslims
     
    Uh - yeah chief - why would Buddhists join Muslim extremists? So what? Name me one Islamic institution of learning or scholar of repute that supports them*. Muslims are the ones that are on the front lines fighting them and thousands of scholars have denounced them across the world. They are extremists, we'll deal with them - you deal with yours. And for God's sake stop supporting our extremists:
    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4755215,00.html
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/

    At this point though, I'm going to call it quits. It's pretty obvious what you are trying to do. If Tel Aviv is paying your salary, here's hoping you get overtime - you are quite persistent.

    Peace.

    *In fact, they are killing off our scholars - would Jewish groups that kill of scores of Rabbis be considered paragons of Jewish conduct?:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7a_GNX_ZKE

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    @geokat62

    It would be impossible and foolish to cut off funding for violating international agreements unless it was guaranteed that no other country would step in and fill the same role.
     
    Are you seriously suggesting that if US were to suspend funding to Israel, then Russia , China, Iran and Saudi Arabia, to name a few, would step in and fill the void by paying tribute... eh, I mean by giving aid... to Israel to the tune of 4.5 billion a year?

    Also if funding were contingent on zero violations of international agreements then no country would get funding and no country would be in the position to give funds.
     
    ... and your point is?

    Are you seriously suggesting that if US were to suspend funding to Israel, then Russia , China, Iran and Saudi Arabia, to name a few, would step in and fill the void by paying tribute… eh, I mean by giving aid… to Israel to the tune of 4.5 billion a year?

    First you yourself have posted here that you think Saudi and Israel are secret allies. So why wouldn’t secret allies help each other financially ?? Or are you changing your mind about that now ??

    Also as you see I was referring to any country not just Israel . For instance if the United States cut off aid for example to Indonesia for violations , then China or Russia could fill in the void . If China for instance cut off aid to Cambodia for violations , then USA or Russia could fill the void. If Russia cut off funding to Syria , then Saudi Arabia could fill in the void &c. &c. &c.. I know Israel is the only thing on your mind , notwithstanding dozens of countries with worse records, but some of us consider the entire world when assessing global issues.

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    First you yourself have posted here that you think Saudi and Israel are secret allies.
     
    Care to provide the exact reference?

    I know Israel is the only thing on your mind... but some of us consider the entire world when assessing global issues.
     
    I know that Israel is the only thing on your mind when it comes to your so-called global assessments.
  141. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @mcohen
    anon

    i find your post interesting.i usually skip these long winded replies but i am somewhat surprised at the amount of genocide going on especially in islamic countries and never considered that blaming israel is a ploy.the question then must be asked is this.why has the un not protested.

    peace

    Mcohen,
    Yes there is a tremendous amount of genocide , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and slavery going on in the Islamic world. Their main tactic is to use Israel as a smoke screen to deflect attention from their crimes against humanity .Even a country like Jordan which is not as bad as the rest uses Israel as a smokescreen to deflect from their illegitimacy of being a 20% Hashamite minority in control of the country that is 80% Palestinian . The only way for them to deflect attention is to constantly use Israel as a smokescreen .

    Islam is a fantastic way to degrade and control a population . Someplace like Sudan that engages in the worst genocide since WW2 and has killed millions can successfully distract their population from anything that they are doing by showing a single Muslim dying at the hands of Israel . For them that single Muslim dying in Israel is far worse than the millions killed by their own government. They will riot for weeks and kill hundreds over a cartoon published in Denmark.

    In the case of Indonesia the government provides its citizens as slave labor so Westerners can enjoy cheap consumer goods .Average wage in Indonesia is 200$ per month . They also act as a single entity for control of shipping lanes and international commerce through a maze of 17,000 islands. The great powers do not want to negotiate through several smaller states .It would disrupt commerce.

    Here is an article about moderate Indonesia .The current governor of Jakarta , the first Christian and first ethnic Chinese to hold the position is on trial for blasphemy and is forbidden to leave the country , for making a joke about the koran.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/indonesia-police-name-jakarta-governor-as-blasphemy-suspect-2/

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    The current governor of Jakarta , the first Christian and first ethnic Chinese to hold the position is on trial for blasphemy and is forbidden to leave the country , for making a joke about the koran.
     
    Oberlin College Fires Professor Over Anti-Semitic Social-Media Posts November 16, 2016
    ". . .controversial faculty member who had drawn fierce criticism for social-media posts in which she claimed that “Israeli and Zionist Jews” were responsible for the 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks. . . . The board . . . denounced her postings as “anti-Semitic and abhorrent,” "
    , @L.K
    anon, you are a sodding zionist troll who has polluted this comment section with obfuscation and lies...
  142. @anon
    Mcohen,
    Yes there is a tremendous amount of genocide , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and slavery going on in the Islamic world. Their main tactic is to use Israel as a smoke screen to deflect attention from their crimes against humanity .Even a country like Jordan which is not as bad as the rest uses Israel as a smokescreen to deflect from their illegitimacy of being a 20% Hashamite minority in control of the country that is 80% Palestinian . The only way for them to deflect attention is to constantly use Israel as a smokescreen .

    Islam is a fantastic way to degrade and control a population . Someplace like Sudan that engages in the worst genocide since WW2 and has killed millions can successfully distract their population from anything that they are doing by showing a single Muslim dying at the hands of Israel . For them that single Muslim dying in Israel is far worse than the millions killed by their own government. They will riot for weeks and kill hundreds over a cartoon published in Denmark.

    In the case of Indonesia the government provides its citizens as slave labor so Westerners can enjoy cheap consumer goods .Average wage in Indonesia is 200$ per month . They also act as a single entity for control of shipping lanes and international commerce through a maze of 17,000 islands. The great powers do not want to negotiate through several smaller states .It would disrupt commerce.

    Here is an article about moderate Indonesia .The current governor of Jakarta , the first Christian and first ethnic Chinese to hold the position is on trial for blasphemy and is forbidden to leave the country , for making a joke about the koran.
    http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/indonesia-police-name-jakarta-governor-as-blasphemy-suspect-2/

    The current governor of Jakarta , the first Christian and first ethnic Chinese to hold the position is on trial for blasphemy and is forbidden to leave the country , for making a joke about the koran.

    Oberlin College Fires Professor Over Anti-Semitic Social-Media Posts November 16, 2016
    “. . .controversial faculty member who had drawn fierce criticism for social-media posts in which she claimed that “Israeli and Zionist Jews” were responsible for the 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks. . . . The board . . . denounced her postings as “anti-Semitic and abhorrent,” ”

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  143. @anon
    Mcohen,
    Yes there is a tremendous amount of genocide , systemic rape , ethnic cleansing and slavery going on in the Islamic world. Their main tactic is to use Israel as a smoke screen to deflect attention from their crimes against humanity .Even a country like Jordan which is not as bad as the rest uses Israel as a smokescreen to deflect from their illegitimacy of being a 20% Hashamite minority in control of the country that is 80% Palestinian . The only way for them to deflect attention is to constantly use Israel as a smokescreen .

    Islam is a fantastic way to degrade and control a population . Someplace like Sudan that engages in the worst genocide since WW2 and has killed millions can successfully distract their population from anything that they are doing by showing a single Muslim dying at the hands of Israel . For them that single Muslim dying in Israel is far worse than the millions killed by their own government. They will riot for weeks and kill hundreds over a cartoon published in Denmark.

    In the case of Indonesia the government provides its citizens as slave labor so Westerners can enjoy cheap consumer goods .Average wage in Indonesia is 200$ per month . They also act as a single entity for control of shipping lanes and international commerce through a maze of 17,000 islands. The great powers do not want to negotiate through several smaller states .It would disrupt commerce.

    Here is an article about moderate Indonesia .The current governor of Jakarta , the first Christian and first ethnic Chinese to hold the position is on trial for blasphemy and is forbidden to leave the country , for making a joke about the koran.
    http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/indonesia-police-name-jakarta-governor-as-blasphemy-suspect-2/

    anon, you are a sodding zionist troll who has polluted this comment section with obfuscation and lies…

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    anon, you are a sodding zionist troll who has polluted this comment section with obfuscation and lies…
     
    Wrong , so wrong . I am an impartial observer who has graced this comment section with truth and wisdom .It bears repeating . Genocides and occupations with casualties expressed in millions and hundreds of thousands *Sudan occupation of Darfur* *Indonesia occupation of Papua* *Russia occupation of Chechnya* are ignored in favor of highlighting a conflict that has generated a mere 22,000 casualties *Israel* over a 50 year period.

    Conflicts involving slavery *Mauritania* * Boko Haram insurgency * *Islamic State in Iraq and Syria ISIS* are ignored in favor of whining about a relatively restrained Israel .

    Occupations with far higher casualty rates * Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara * * Turkish occupation of both Cyprus and Kurdistan * * Iranian occupation of Kurdistan * are ignored in favor of using Israel as a smokescreen .

    There are many more such examples , but that was a brief reminder for you . You are welcome .
    , @Talha
    Hey LK,

    Man, I was wondering when you'd join the fray and give 'em both barrels? What took you so long?

    Peace.
  144. @anon

    Are you seriously suggesting that if US were to suspend funding to Israel, then Russia , China, Iran and Saudi Arabia, to name a few, would step in and fill the void by paying tribute… eh, I mean by giving aid… to Israel to the tune of 4.5 billion a year?
     
    First you yourself have posted here that you think Saudi and Israel are secret allies. So why wouldn't secret allies help each other financially ?? Or are you changing your mind about that now ??

    Also as you see I was referring to any country not just Israel . For instance if the United States cut off aid for example to Indonesia for violations , then China or Russia could fill in the void . If China for instance cut off aid to Cambodia for violations , then USA or Russia could fill the void. If Russia cut off funding to Syria , then Saudi Arabia could fill in the void &c. &c. &c.. I know Israel is the only thing on your mind , notwithstanding dozens of countries with worse records, but some of us consider the entire world when assessing global issues.

    First you yourself have posted here that you think Saudi and Israel are secret allies.

    Care to provide the exact reference?

    I know Israel is the only thing on your mind… but some of us consider the entire world when assessing global issues.

    I know that Israel is the only thing on your mind when it comes to your so-called global assessments.

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    @L.K
    anon, you are a sodding zionist troll who has polluted this comment section with obfuscation and lies...

    anon, you are a sodding zionist troll who has polluted this comment section with obfuscation and lies…

    Wrong , so wrong . I am an impartial observer who has graced this comment section with truth and wisdom .It bears repeating . Genocides and occupations with casualties expressed in millions and hundreds of thousands *Sudan occupation of Darfur* *Indonesia occupation of Papua* *Russia occupation of Chechnya* are ignored in favor of highlighting a conflict that has generated a mere 22,000 casualties *Israel* over a 50 year period.

    Conflicts involving slavery *Mauritania* * Boko Haram insurgency * *Islamic State in Iraq and Syria ISIS* are ignored in favor of whining about a relatively restrained Israel .

    Occupations with far higher casualty rates * Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara * * Turkish occupation of both Cyprus and Kurdistan * * Iranian occupation of Kurdistan * are ignored in favor of using Israel as a smokescreen .

    There are many more such examples , but that was a brief reminder for you . You are welcome .

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    You are right that there are massacres and horrors all over the world.

    But you are overlooking two things.

    Most peoples/regimes that commit such horrors don't preach morality to the world.
    They say, "It's our business, our national affairs, and a matter of national sovereignty."
    For instance, Chinese may act brutally in Tibet, but they don't preach to the world about human rights. Chinese policy is not to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations, however horrible it may be.
    Also, Chinese don't even make much fuss about how Chinese minorities are often mistreated in other nations. There are lots of anti-Chinese violence in the Middle East.

    Russia also doesn't preach to the world about human rights.
    Russia doesn't tell China what to do, Russia doesn't tell Iran what to do, China doesn't tell Russia what to do, China doesn't tell Iran what to do, Iran doesn't tell Russia what to do, Iran doesn't tell China what to do.

    In contrast, Jews and Jewish-dominated US always preach about human rights, point fingers at others, and etc. Those who judge invite being judged.

    If Sudanese do horrible things but then preach to OTHERS about human rights, people would try to expose Sudanese hypocrisy. But Sudanese keep it to themselves. It's their own business, and they don't interfere in the problems of other nations.

    In contrast, US invades and destroys other nations but gives sermon after sermon.
    Jewish globalists have been at the center of destruction of many nations. Neocon policy directed US military at all sorts of nations. US sanctions destroyed many nations, and most of those nations have been on Israel's enemy list. Worse, 'human rights' condemnations are totally politicized, with US overlooking horrors done by its allies while making mountains out of molehills by its 'enemies'.

    That is what's at issue.

    Because Jews always invoke the Holocaust and act holier-than-thou, they invite scrutiny from all sides.

    The Right is angry with Jews and Israel because Jews made Apartheid in South Africa out to be the WORST thing when (1) white-ruled South Africa was really nice with SA Jews and Israel and (2) Black-ruled African nations were far more brutal and murderous, yet Jews never condemned them(except on the occasion when a black ruler like Idiot Amin was blatantly anti-Israel and praising Hitler).

    So, why single out a white-ruled society as especially evil?
    Also, even though blacks faced racial discrimination in the US prior to the Civil Rights Movement, what whites did to blacks in the 20th century is nothing compared to what Jewish Bolsheviks did to Ukrainians in the Great Famine or what Zionists did to Palestinians. And consider the 100,000s of Iraqi lives destroyed in the worst way by sanctions. (Imagine if US was controlled by Palestinian elites, and sanctions placed on Israel killed 500,000 Israeli women and children. Then suppose the Palestinian-American Secretary of State says that those dead Israeli civilians were 'worth it'.) If Jews are gonna judge whites for every wrong, then whites should fire back likewise.

    The Left is angry with Jews and Israel because Jews have presented themselves as symbols of holy victims of far-right hatred, 'racism', and imperialism, but Israel is now so right-wing, West Bank practices apartheid, and Jewish influence has made post-Cold War USA into a neo-imperialist power destroying nations and starting 'new cold wars' on the basis of nutty paranoia.
    Even a good many leftist Jews are disillusioned with Jewish power.

    This is typical leftist derangement syndrome about Israel. It is as nutty as Jews seeing Hitler everywhere. The Left is angry with Jews having turned into 'fascist nationalists' in Israel.

    Anyway, if Jews wanna just crush Palestinians and shut up about it, okay. Other nations do the same or even worse. The thing is other nations don't judge other nations. In contrast, Israel and Jews are always judging and condemning others: White Deplorables, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Hungarians, Poles, and etc.

    Those who cast the first stone are inviting the stones to be tossed back.

    I mean there is something surreal about Israel, with 300 nukes, howling about Iran, a nation with 0 nukes.
    And it is ludicrous that Jewish-led US bitches about 'expansionist Russia' when it is US that's been invading and destroying nation after nation.

    USrael needs to just mind its own business. Let other nations mind their own business. Then everyone will get along better.

    , @Talha

    I am an impartial observer who has graced this comment section with truth and wisdom
     
    LOL!!! I mean literally - that had me laughing out loud!

    Throw some more in there like that one - you know like:
    "I am merely an ambassador of good will to all. No, no - I ask no thanks for my troubles."


    Russia occupation of Chechnya
     
    Russians have come to fairly good terms with the Chechens. Have you seen what Grozny looks like after Russian aid and investment? Maybe Israel ought to invest a few billion (5 would be nice) into developing the West Bank and see what comes of it.

    Iranian occupation of Kurdistan
     
    That 'occupation' predates the voyage of the Mayflower.

    *Islamic State in Iraq and Syria ISIS* are ignored
     
    Ignored? Have you not been reading the news - multiple air forces are pounding the crap out of them. ISIS has been in the headlines almost everyday since 2014. Maybe not in Tel Aviv, where you might be - but hey, you gotta cover for your homies!

    As I said, you keep flinging crap, hoping something sticks - but hey, take a pause and see what your hands smell like.

    Peace.

    , @L.K
    "impartial observer" is everything u are not, you sad little zionist liar.

    For one thing, it is RIDICULOUS to claim that zionism/israel is responsible for only those relatively few deaths you attributed to them.

    Just in recent years, your heroes have been the main culprits for the catastrophic wars in Afghnanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    For example, re Syria:

    During an RT CrossTalk interview, at around 0:50, R.T's Peter Lavelle turns to retired CIA veteran, Ray McGovern, with a question re Washington's seemingly irrational position towards Syria;
    McGovern then mentions what he calls.... the "Elephant in the room", i.e., Israel, the main reason for the ongoing dirty war on Syria.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd5fuAUM2BM

    As for Iraq, several authors have already extensively documented the zio reasons for that sordid war. Including the author of the above review, Dr.Stephen J. Sniegoski.
    "The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel"
    https://www.amazon.com/Transparent-Cabal-Neoconservative-National-Interest/dp/1932528172/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1479427043&sr=1-1&keywords=transparent+cabal

    ...Showing that the neocon movement has always identified closely with the interests of Israel's Likudnik right wing, the discussion contends that neocon advice on Iraq was the exact opposite of conventional United States foreign policy, which has always sought to maintain stability in the region to promote the flow of oil.[..]
     
  146. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon

    anon, you are a sodding zionist troll who has polluted this comment section with obfuscation and lies…
     
    Wrong , so wrong . I am an impartial observer who has graced this comment section with truth and wisdom .It bears repeating . Genocides and occupations with casualties expressed in millions and hundreds of thousands *Sudan occupation of Darfur* *Indonesia occupation of Papua* *Russia occupation of Chechnya* are ignored in favor of highlighting a conflict that has generated a mere 22,000 casualties *Israel* over a 50 year period.

    Conflicts involving slavery *Mauritania* * Boko Haram insurgency * *Islamic State in Iraq and Syria ISIS* are ignored in favor of whining about a relatively restrained Israel .

    Occupations with far higher casualty rates * Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara * * Turkish occupation of both Cyprus and Kurdistan * * Iranian occupation of Kurdistan * are ignored in favor of using Israel as a smokescreen .

    There are many more such examples , but that was a brief reminder for you . You are welcome .

    You are right that there are massacres and horrors all over the world.

    But you are overlooking two things.

    Most peoples/regimes that commit such horrors don’t preach morality to the world.
    They say, “It’s our business, our national affairs, and a matter of national sovereignty.”
    For instance, Chinese may act brutally in Tibet, but they don’t preach to the world about human rights. Chinese policy is not to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations, however horrible it may be.
    Also, Chinese don’t even make much fuss about how Chinese minorities are often mistreated in other nations. There are lots of anti-Chinese violence in the Middle East.

    Russia also doesn’t preach to the world about human rights.
    Russia doesn’t tell China what to do, Russia doesn’t tell Iran what to do, China doesn’t tell Russia what to do, China doesn’t tell Iran what to do, Iran doesn’t tell Russia what to do, Iran doesn’t tell China what to do.

    In contrast, Jews and Jewish-dominated US always preach about human rights, point fingers at others, and etc. Those who judge invite being judged.

    If Sudanese do horrible things but then preach to OTHERS about human rights, people would try to expose Sudanese hypocrisy. But Sudanese keep it to themselves. It’s their own business, and they don’t interfere in the problems of other nations.

    In contrast, US invades and destroys other nations but gives sermon after sermon.
    Jewish globalists have been at the center of destruction of many nations. Neocon policy directed US military at all sorts of nations. US sanctions destroyed many nations, and most of those nations have been on Israel’s enemy list. Worse, ‘human rights’ condemnations are totally politicized, with US overlooking horrors done by its allies while making mountains out of molehills by its ‘enemies’.

    That is what’s at issue.

    Because Jews always invoke the Holocaust and act holier-than-thou, they invite scrutiny from all sides.

    The Right is angry with Jews and Israel because Jews made Apartheid in South Africa out to be the WORST thing when (1) white-ruled South Africa was really nice with SA Jews and Israel and (2) Black-ruled African nations were far more brutal and murderous, yet Jews never condemned them(except on the occasion when a black ruler like Idiot Amin was blatantly anti-Israel and praising Hitler).

    So, why single out a white-ruled society as especially evil?
    Also, even though blacks faced racial discrimination in the US prior to the Civil Rights Movement, what whites did to blacks in the 20th century is nothing compared to what Jewish Bolsheviks did to Ukrainians in the Great Famine or what Zionists did to Palestinians. And consider the 100,000s of Iraqi lives destroyed in the worst way by sanctions. (Imagine if US was controlled by Palestinian elites, and sanctions placed on Israel killed 500,000 Israeli women and children. Then suppose the Palestinian-American Secretary of State says that those dead Israeli civilians were ‘worth it’.) If Jews are gonna judge whites for every wrong, then whites should fire back likewise.

    The Left is angry with Jews and Israel because Jews have presented themselves as symbols of holy victims of far-right hatred, ‘racism’, and imperialism, but Israel is now so right-wing, West Bank practices apartheid, and Jewish influence has made post-Cold War USA into a neo-imperialist power destroying nations and starting ‘new cold wars’ on the basis of nutty paranoia.
    Even a good many leftist Jews are disillusioned with Jewish power.

    This is typical leftist derangement syndrome about Israel. It is as nutty as Jews seeing Hitler everywhere. The Left is angry with Jews having turned into ‘fascist nationalists’ in Israel.

    Anyway, if Jews wanna just crush Palestinians and shut up about it, okay. Other nations do the same or even worse. The thing is other nations don’t judge other nations. In contrast, Israel and Jews are always judging and condemning others: White Deplorables, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Hungarians, Poles, and etc.

    Those who cast the first stone are inviting the stones to be tossed back.

    I mean there is something surreal about Israel, with 300 nukes, howling about Iran, a nation with 0 nukes.
    And it is ludicrous that Jewish-led US bitches about ‘expansionist Russia’ when it is US that’s been invading and destroying nation after nation.

    USrael needs to just mind its own business. Let other nations mind their own business. Then everyone will get along better.

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    anon has won the day with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries.you can add yemen to your list
    , @anon

    In contrast, Israel and Jews are always judging and condemning others: White Deplorables, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Hungarians, Poles, and etc.
     
    You wrote a lengthy comment but I think the central point is that although dozens of other countries are doing far worse things than Israel , Israel deserves the scrutiny because they are condemning others.

    The deplorables comment was made by a American Christian or Athiest woman depending on how you feel about Clinton's personal beliefs . Israel doesn't do much complaining about Russia or China and has good relations with both . As far as Poles and Hungarians I do not know that there is enough noise from Israel regarding these 2 nations to merit notice .Israel built the security fence for Hungary that is working so well at keeping invaders at bay . Iran does as much whining about Israel as Israel does about Iran .

    China complaining about American Human rights.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/26/china-report-attacks-us-human-rights-record

  147. @Anon
    You are right that there are massacres and horrors all over the world.

    But you are overlooking two things.

    Most peoples/regimes that commit such horrors don't preach morality to the world.
    They say, "It's our business, our national affairs, and a matter of national sovereignty."
    For instance, Chinese may act brutally in Tibet, but they don't preach to the world about human rights. Chinese policy is not to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations, however horrible it may be.
    Also, Chinese don't even make much fuss about how Chinese minorities are often mistreated in other nations. There are lots of anti-Chinese violence in the Middle East.

    Russia also doesn't preach to the world about human rights.
    Russia doesn't tell China what to do, Russia doesn't tell Iran what to do, China doesn't tell Russia what to do, China doesn't tell Iran what to do, Iran doesn't tell Russia what to do, Iran doesn't tell China what to do.

    In contrast, Jews and Jewish-dominated US always preach about human rights, point fingers at others, and etc. Those who judge invite being judged.

    If Sudanese do horrible things but then preach to OTHERS about human rights, people would try to expose Sudanese hypocrisy. But Sudanese keep it to themselves. It's their own business, and they don't interfere in the problems of other nations.

    In contrast, US invades and destroys other nations but gives sermon after sermon.
    Jewish globalists have been at the center of destruction of many nations. Neocon policy directed US military at all sorts of nations. US sanctions destroyed many nations, and most of those nations have been on Israel's enemy list. Worse, 'human rights' condemnations are totally politicized, with US overlooking horrors done by its allies while making mountains out of molehills by its 'enemies'.

    That is what's at issue.

    Because Jews always invoke the Holocaust and act holier-than-thou, they invite scrutiny from all sides.

    The Right is angry with Jews and Israel because Jews made Apartheid in South Africa out to be the WORST thing when (1) white-ruled South Africa was really nice with SA Jews and Israel and (2) Black-ruled African nations were far more brutal and murderous, yet Jews never condemned them(except on the occasion when a black ruler like Idiot Amin was blatantly anti-Israel and praising Hitler).

    So, why single out a white-ruled society as especially evil?
    Also, even though blacks faced racial discrimination in the US prior to the Civil Rights Movement, what whites did to blacks in the 20th century is nothing compared to what Jewish Bolsheviks did to Ukrainians in the Great Famine or what Zionists did to Palestinians. And consider the 100,000s of Iraqi lives destroyed in the worst way by sanctions. (Imagine if US was controlled by Palestinian elites, and sanctions placed on Israel killed 500,000 Israeli women and children. Then suppose the Palestinian-American Secretary of State says that those dead Israeli civilians were 'worth it'.) If Jews are gonna judge whites for every wrong, then whites should fire back likewise.

    The Left is angry with Jews and Israel because Jews have presented themselves as symbols of holy victims of far-right hatred, 'racism', and imperialism, but Israel is now so right-wing, West Bank practices apartheid, and Jewish influence has made post-Cold War USA into a neo-imperialist power destroying nations and starting 'new cold wars' on the basis of nutty paranoia.
    Even a good many leftist Jews are disillusioned with Jewish power.

    This is typical leftist derangement syndrome about Israel. It is as nutty as Jews seeing Hitler everywhere. The Left is angry with Jews having turned into 'fascist nationalists' in Israel.

    Anyway, if Jews wanna just crush Palestinians and shut up about it, okay. Other nations do the same or even worse. The thing is other nations don't judge other nations. In contrast, Israel and Jews are always judging and condemning others: White Deplorables, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Hungarians, Poles, and etc.

    Those who cast the first stone are inviting the stones to be tossed back.

    I mean there is something surreal about Israel, with 300 nukes, howling about Iran, a nation with 0 nukes.
    And it is ludicrous that Jewish-led US bitches about 'expansionist Russia' when it is US that's been invading and destroying nation after nation.

    USrael needs to just mind its own business. Let other nations mind their own business. Then everyone will get along better.

    anon has won the day with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries.you can add yemen to your list

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    anon has won the day with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries.you can add yemen to your list
     
    Nice try, mcohen.

    Let me ask you just 2 questions:

    1. Which of these other war crimes taking place in Islamic countries is financed by the US taxpayer to the tune of $6,000,000,000,000.00 and counting?

    2. Which of the American-based lobbies of these Islamic countries pushed the US Congress to pass laws (such as the Indonesian Liberation Act) as a precursor to invading their enemies so they could continue brutally occupying their helots and stealing their land?

    , @Talha

    with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries
     
    Oh...my...God! You guys - I don't think any of us knew this stuff was going on in the Middle East! We all shamefully thought that Muslims countries were a bit like Belgium - just with less snow! Who knew Sudan is run by a military dictator!!! Those darn Muslims, they won't fool us any more now that anon has exposed them!

    Peace.
    , @Anon
    Yes, Arabs and Muslims can be a nasty vicious bunch(like rest of humanity), but we have to consider the context of the violence in places like Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen.

    All these are fake-nations created by Western imperialism that imposed nationhood on diverse peoples with little in common.
    So, the only way to hold these nations together is by ruthless force, and that has accounted for government repression.
    But if the central authority is decapitated or destabilized(like US has done in bunch of MENA nations), things fall apart, and all hell breaks loose.

    Also, Saudis are the biggest Muslim proxies of the US, and this has made a mockery of the War on Terror. The nation most responsible for 9/11 is the darling of the US and gets to fund or spread terror in Syria and Yemen.
    It's incredible that the US that claims to want modern-secularization of the Muslim World works side-by-side with the most radically Muslim in destroying the most secular-modern Arab nations.

    It all comes down to ethnic power of the Glob. While many Jews in power may see the absurdity of the situation in terms of national interest and ethical issues, their ethnic interest simple trumps all else.

  148. @mcohen
    anon has won the day with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries.you can add yemen to your list

    anon has won the day with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries.you can add yemen to your list

    Nice try, mcohen.

    Let me ask you just 2 questions:

    1. Which of these other war crimes taking place in Islamic countries is financed by the US taxpayer to the tune of $6,000,000,000,000.00 and counting?

    2. Which of the American-based lobbies of these Islamic countries pushed the US Congress to pass laws (such as the Indonesian Liberation Act) as a precursor to invading their enemies so they could continue brutally occupying their helots and stealing their land?

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    [Although overwhelming use of boldface isn't as serious a violation as all-caps "shouting," you should stop doing it if you want your comments published.]

    1. Which of these other war crimes taking place in Islamic countries is financed by the US taxpayer to the tune of $6,000,000,000,000.00 and counting?
     
    America gives aid to many countries but Israel is perhaps the most reasonable steward of aid money . For example Sudan receives US aid and has managed to kill at a rate 100x that Israel has , despite receiving less than 1/10th of the aid money Israel does. Another example Indonesia receives US aid and has been able to kill at a rate 25x that Israel has despite receiving less than 10% of the aid that Israel receives .

    Another metric is that with 10% of the aid money Israel receives , Sudan is able to occupy 500,000 square miles of land compared to 2,000 square miles that Israel is occupying. Indonesia with 10% of the aid money they receive is able to occupy 120,000 square miles of land as opposed to Israels 2,000 square miles occupied.
  149. @anon

    cut off all foreign aid to all violators irrespective of body count.
     
    Can you name any countries that have zero human rights violations ?? You are proposing no foreign aid to any country or from any country , since there is not a country without human rights violations . But the sensible thing to do is cut off all aid to the worst human rights violators and also cut off all immigration to Western countries from the worst human rights violating countries. We could start with the absolute worst countries . Countries with genocides reaching into the millions of casualties . Countries without any freedom of religion . Countries that still practice slavery . Countries that execute Christians and Homosexuals .Sudan , Indonesia , Afghanistan , Pakistan ,Iran ,Saudi Arabia , Malaysia ,Somalia , Morocco , Eritrea , Djibouti , Yemen , Nigeria , Syria ,Mauritania and Libya would qualify . This would be a good start .

    Uh no – the practice predates him and even Abraham (pbuh) by millennia – Islam simply added rules for its conduct – it neither demanded its eradication nor its implementation – that was left up to each culture. Though it did encourage emancipation as did other faiths.
     
    You are good at throwing red herrings ................I never said slavery didn't occur before mohamad. I said it was a straight line from mohamad to the current day as regards slavery. Meaning since the time of mohamad until today slavery has continued uninterrupted in Islamic countries . You admit as much with Mauritania . There is no Jewish or Christian slave trade today ,only the Islamic slave trade with the slave capital in Mauritania.

    Boko Haram, Daesh…seriously? Muslim scholars around the world have roundly condemned them and Muslims are on the front lines fighting them.
     
    Muslims around the world have also roundly joined them and Muslims from around the world have also roundly taken up arms with them , and Muslims around the world have also roundly joined them in raping and pillaging , slaving and genocide. Muslims are also the only ones joining Boko Haram and ISIS ( Islamic State in Iraq and Syria) . Boko Haram and ISIS are comprised only of Muslims , and are supported only by Muslims. 24% of French Muslims support ISIS .

    Can you name any countries that have zero human rights violations?

    Iceland and Norway and Luxembourg – I see no problem in sending them aid.

    You are proposing no foreign aid to any country or from any country

    No – these are your words. I am only concerned with foreign aid that my government, my tax dollars are involved in. If China, Russia or the UK want to send aid, that’s up to their citizens or rulers to deal with – not me.

    Sudan , Indonesia , Afghanistan , Pakistan ,Iran ,Saudi Arabia , Malaysia ,Somalia , Morocco , Eritrea , Djibouti , Yemen , Nigeria , Syria ,Mauritania and Libya would qualify

    Malaysia executes Christians – what??? Let’s assume all of what you propose is true – which it isn’t – you’re just flinging crap and hoping something/anything sticks. Like I said cut off all aid to all violators, irrespective of body counts.

    This would be a good start

    LOL! Of course it would – Israel gets to weasel out again! You operate on the ‘moral calculus’ that the police shouldn’t arrest you since you get drunk and beat your wife and kids into a pulp only once a week and because your neighbor does it everyday. Sorry – I don’t operate on those terms. Cut off all aid to occupiers, no exceptions!

    And, please don’t pretend like Israel has these moral qualms:
    “Stratfor’s analysis claims Eritrea’s government – one of the world’s harshest regimes – is nurturing relations with the two rival nations in order to maintain its advantage against its larger neighbor Ethiopia, from which it gained independence in 1991, and Djibouti and Yemen…It was also reported that Eritrea receives financial aid from Iran and military aid from Israel.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/both-iran-and-israel-have-military-bases-in-eritrea-global-intel-reports.premium-1.484326

    They have no problems supplying Indonesian military with drones, Uzis and assault rifles – even to the dreaded Kopassus – who are the very essence of the occupation shock troops you keep railing about.

    You are good at throwing red herrings

    Bro, you are the king – nay, the Padishah Emperor – of red herrings. Why the hell else am I even discussing slavery in Mauritania under an article on Zionist influence in the US government – think!

    only the Islamic slave trade with the slave capital in Mauritania

    Oh noze! Remote parts of Mauritania and possibly parts of Sudan still have slavery! How can the rest of the 50+ Muslim countries look themselves in the mirror??!! I think the only possible act of public contrition that would make up for it must involve us evacuating Palestinians out of Gaza and West Bank.

    Boko Haram and ISIS are comprised only of Muslims , and are supported only by Muslims

    Uh – yeah chief – why would Buddhists join Muslim extremists? So what? Name me one Islamic institution of learning or scholar of repute that supports them*. Muslims are the ones that are on the front lines fighting them and thousands of scholars have denounced them across the world. They are extremists, we’ll deal with them – you deal with yours. And for God’s sake stop supporting our extremists:

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4755215,00.html

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/

    At this point though, I’m going to call it quits. It’s pretty obvious what you are trying to do. If Tel Aviv is paying your salary, here’s hoping you get overtime – you are quite persistent.

    Peace.

    *In fact, they are killing off our scholars – would Jewish groups that kill of scores of Rabbis be considered paragons of Jewish conduct?:

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  150. @mcohen
    anon has won the day with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries.you can add yemen to your list

    with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries

    Oh…my…God! You guys – I don’t think any of us knew this stuff was going on in the Middle East! We all shamefully thought that Muslims countries were a bit like Belgium – just with less snow! Who knew Sudan is run by a military dictator!!! Those darn Muslims, they won’t fool us any more now that anon has exposed them!

    Peace.

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  151. @L.K
    anon, you are a sodding zionist troll who has polluted this comment section with obfuscation and lies...

    Hey LK,

    Man, I was wondering when you’d join the fray and give ‘em both barrels? What took you so long?

    Peace.

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  152. @anon

    anon, you are a sodding zionist troll who has polluted this comment section with obfuscation and lies…
     
    Wrong , so wrong . I am an impartial observer who has graced this comment section with truth and wisdom .It bears repeating . Genocides and occupations with casualties expressed in millions and hundreds of thousands *Sudan occupation of Darfur* *Indonesia occupation of Papua* *Russia occupation of Chechnya* are ignored in favor of highlighting a conflict that has generated a mere 22,000 casualties *Israel* over a 50 year period.

    Conflicts involving slavery *Mauritania* * Boko Haram insurgency * *Islamic State in Iraq and Syria ISIS* are ignored in favor of whining about a relatively restrained Israel .

    Occupations with far higher casualty rates * Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara * * Turkish occupation of both Cyprus and Kurdistan * * Iranian occupation of Kurdistan * are ignored in favor of using Israel as a smokescreen .

    There are many more such examples , but that was a brief reminder for you . You are welcome .

    I am an impartial observer who has graced this comment section with truth and wisdom

    LOL!!! I mean literally – that had me laughing out loud!

    Throw some more in there like that one – you know like:
    “I am merely an ambassador of good will to all. No, no – I ask no thanks for my troubles.”

    Russia occupation of Chechnya

    Russians have come to fairly good terms with the Chechens. Have you seen what Grozny looks like after Russian aid and investment? Maybe Israel ought to invest a few billion (5 would be nice) into developing the West Bank and see what comes of it.

    Iranian occupation of Kurdistan

    That ‘occupation’ predates the voyage of the Mayflower.

    *Islamic State in Iraq and Syria ISIS* are ignored

    Ignored? Have you not been reading the news – multiple air forces are pounding the crap out of them. ISIS has been in the headlines almost everyday since 2014. Maybe not in Tel Aviv, where you might be – but hey, you gotta cover for your homies!

    As I said, you keep flinging crap, hoping something sticks – but hey, take a pause and see what your hands smell like.

    Peace.

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  153. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @mcohen
    anon has won the day with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries.you can add yemen to your list

    Yes, Arabs and Muslims can be a nasty vicious bunch(like rest of humanity), but we have to consider the context of the violence in places like Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen.

    All these are fake-nations created by Western imperialism that imposed nationhood on diverse peoples with little in common.
    So, the only way to hold these nations together is by ruthless force, and that has accounted for government repression.
    But if the central authority is decapitated or destabilized(like US has done in bunch of MENA nations), things fall apart, and all hell breaks loose.

    Also, Saudis are the biggest Muslim proxies of the US, and this has made a mockery of the War on Terror. The nation most responsible for 9/11 is the darling of the US and gets to fund or spread terror in Syria and Yemen.
    It’s incredible that the US that claims to want modern-secularization of the Muslim World works side-by-side with the most radically Muslim in destroying the most secular-modern Arab nations.

    It all comes down to ethnic power of the Glob. While many Jews in power may see the absurdity of the situation in terms of national interest and ethical issues, their ethnic interest simple trumps all else.

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  154. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anon
    You are right that there are massacres and horrors all over the world.

    But you are overlooking two things.

    Most peoples/regimes that commit such horrors don't preach morality to the world.
    They say, "It's our business, our national affairs, and a matter of national sovereignty."
    For instance, Chinese may act brutally in Tibet, but they don't preach to the world about human rights. Chinese policy is not to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations, however horrible it may be.
    Also, Chinese don't even make much fuss about how Chinese minorities are often mistreated in other nations. There are lots of anti-Chinese violence in the Middle East.

    Russia also doesn't preach to the world about human rights.
    Russia doesn't tell China what to do, Russia doesn't tell Iran what to do, China doesn't tell Russia what to do, China doesn't tell Iran what to do, Iran doesn't tell Russia what to do, Iran doesn't tell China what to do.

    In contrast, Jews and Jewish-dominated US always preach about human rights, point fingers at others, and etc. Those who judge invite being judged.

    If Sudanese do horrible things but then preach to OTHERS about human rights, people would try to expose Sudanese hypocrisy. But Sudanese keep it to themselves. It's their own business, and they don't interfere in the problems of other nations.

    In contrast, US invades and destroys other nations but gives sermon after sermon.
    Jewish globalists have been at the center of destruction of many nations. Neocon policy directed US military at all sorts of nations. US sanctions destroyed many nations, and most of those nations have been on Israel's enemy list. Worse, 'human rights' condemnations are totally politicized, with US overlooking horrors done by its allies while making mountains out of molehills by its 'enemies'.

    That is what's at issue.

    Because Jews always invoke the Holocaust and act holier-than-thou, they invite scrutiny from all sides.

    The Right is angry with Jews and Israel because Jews made Apartheid in South Africa out to be the WORST thing when (1) white-ruled South Africa was really nice with SA Jews and Israel and (2) Black-ruled African nations were far more brutal and murderous, yet Jews never condemned them(except on the occasion when a black ruler like Idiot Amin was blatantly anti-Israel and praising Hitler).

    So, why single out a white-ruled society as especially evil?
    Also, even though blacks faced racial discrimination in the US prior to the Civil Rights Movement, what whites did to blacks in the 20th century is nothing compared to what Jewish Bolsheviks did to Ukrainians in the Great Famine or what Zionists did to Palestinians. And consider the 100,000s of Iraqi lives destroyed in the worst way by sanctions. (Imagine if US was controlled by Palestinian elites, and sanctions placed on Israel killed 500,000 Israeli women and children. Then suppose the Palestinian-American Secretary of State says that those dead Israeli civilians were 'worth it'.) If Jews are gonna judge whites for every wrong, then whites should fire back likewise.

    The Left is angry with Jews and Israel because Jews have presented themselves as symbols of holy victims of far-right hatred, 'racism', and imperialism, but Israel is now so right-wing, West Bank practices apartheid, and Jewish influence has made post-Cold War USA into a neo-imperialist power destroying nations and starting 'new cold wars' on the basis of nutty paranoia.
    Even a good many leftist Jews are disillusioned with Jewish power.

    This is typical leftist derangement syndrome about Israel. It is as nutty as Jews seeing Hitler everywhere. The Left is angry with Jews having turned into 'fascist nationalists' in Israel.

    Anyway, if Jews wanna just crush Palestinians and shut up about it, okay. Other nations do the same or even worse. The thing is other nations don't judge other nations. In contrast, Israel and Jews are always judging and condemning others: White Deplorables, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Hungarians, Poles, and etc.

    Those who cast the first stone are inviting the stones to be tossed back.

    I mean there is something surreal about Israel, with 300 nukes, howling about Iran, a nation with 0 nukes.
    And it is ludicrous that Jewish-led US bitches about 'expansionist Russia' when it is US that's been invading and destroying nation after nation.

    USrael needs to just mind its own business. Let other nations mind their own business. Then everyone will get along better.

    In contrast, Israel and Jews are always judging and condemning others: White Deplorables, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Hungarians, Poles, and etc.

    You wrote a lengthy comment but I think the central point is that although dozens of other countries are doing far worse things than Israel , Israel deserves the scrutiny because they are condemning others.

    The deplorables comment was made by a American Christian or Athiest woman depending on how you feel about Clinton’s personal beliefs . Israel doesn’t do much complaining about Russia or China and has good relations with both . As far as Poles and Hungarians I do not know that there is enough noise from Israel regarding these 2 nations to merit notice .Israel built the security fence for Hungary that is working so well at keeping invaders at bay . Iran does as much whining about Israel as Israel does about Iran .

    China complaining about American Human rights.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/26/china-report-attacks-us-human-rights-record

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    How about let Israel have nukes, let Iran have nukes... and everybody's happy.

    If more nations have nukes, US will be less likely to act like new war-mongers all around the world.

    Actually, US and USSR and China having nukes made war far less likely during the Cold War.

    And if European nations all had nukes on eve of WWII, even mad dog Hitler would not have done crazy stuff.

    Nukes all around.

    Nuclear Proliferation is a human right. It is the great equalizer among powerful and weak nations.

    Let Norks have nukes. US won't invade and cause more trouble around the world.
  155. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @geokat62

    anon has won the day with his exposure of war crimes taking place in islamic countries.you can add yemen to your list
     
    Nice try, mcohen.

    Let me ask you just 2 questions:

    1. Which of these other war crimes taking place in Islamic countries is financed by the US taxpayer to the tune of $6,000,000,000,000.00 and counting?

    2. Which of the American-based lobbies of these Islamic countries pushed the US Congress to pass laws (such as the Indonesian Liberation Act) as a precursor to invading their enemies so they could continue brutally occupying their helots and stealing their land?

    [Although overwhelming use of boldface isn't as serious a violation as all-caps "shouting," you should stop doing it if you want your comments published.]

    1. Which of these other war crimes taking place in Islamic countries is financed by the US taxpayer to the tune of $6,000,000,000,000.00 and counting?

    America gives aid to many countries but Israel is perhaps the most reasonable steward of aid money . For example Sudan receives US aid and has managed to kill at a rate 100x that Israel has , despite receiving less than 1/10th of the aid money Israel does. Another example Indonesia receives US aid and has been able to kill at a rate 25x that Israel has despite receiving less than 10% of the aid that Israel receives .

    Another metric is that with 10% of the aid money Israel receives , Sudan is able to occupy 500,000 square miles of land compared to 2,000 square miles that Israel is occupying. Indonesia with 10% of the aid money they receive is able to occupy 120,000 square miles of land as opposed to Israels 2,000 square miles occupied.

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    Israel is perhaps the most reasonable steward of aid money .
     
    But, of course. Israel puts the tribute it is paid to very good use... like building a wall that steals large tracts of land, check points that prevent people who require medical attention from getting it, prisons that incarcerate political prisoners as young as 12 years old, a security fence that cages in 2 million Gazans who are placed on a subsistence diet, bulldozers that has killed an American, etc. etc. etc.

    They are very good "stewards," indeed.
  156. The word ‘Humanity’ is perhaps the least understood and most misinterpreted in the entire lexicon of misused terms. Humans aren’t what some humans fancy, and piety climbs heights peculiar, when fingers drum the keyboard in the indomitable spirit of ‘justice!’

    It is perhaps best to engage in a bit of self-reflection; for each might discover their deep-seated convictions to be mere biases and none too subtle.

    I’ll make my observations on the foregoing discussion surrounding Israel, particularly on the matter of ‘aid’ as I have done in the past, no doubt to be met yet again, with the same righteous moral outrage, etc. Especially from the denizens who’ve never set foot in the middle east but shrill of voice oh they are.

    First, it is mostly a signal and performs no significant financial function for Israel. Second, for those who insist that it be revoked, I say “shall we?” what are you waiting for? This, the government you just elected, should it not oblige? Oh! I see ‘it is infested by zionists’. Funny how it comes back to the basic question: why did you elect them? Is there a truth you missed all along or are you going to plead a running manipulation by zionists on the vote? In either case, you have no case.

    Second, nothing of significance ever gets done by consensus and groups and peoples which are able, bring about change. True Palestinians who are our kin, will be given citizenship with all the rights and duties associated with that status, but we shall brook no interference from outside.

    Bannon has a good vision for the ME, it squares with one I’ve deeply held on the deleterious effects of crony capitalism sapping the strength of Judeo-Christian civics. Here is Bannon:

    Questioner: What do you think is the major threat today, to the Judeo-Christian Civilization? Secularism, or the Muslim world? In my humble opinion, they’re just trying to defend themselves from our cultural invasion. Thank you.
    [Question restated by Harnwell]
    Bannon: It’s a great question. I certainly think secularism has sapped the strength of the Judeo-Christian West to defend its ideals, right?
    If you go back to your home countries and your proponent of the defense of the Judeo-Christian West and its tenets, often times, particularly when you deal with the elites, you’re looked at as someone who is quite odd. So it has kind of sapped the strength.
    But I strongly believe that whatever the causes of the current drive to the caliphate was — and we can debate them, and people can try to deconstruct them — we have to face a very unpleasant fact: And that unpleasant fact is that there is a major war brewing, a war that’s already global. It’s going global in scale, and today’s technology, today’s media, today’s access to weapons of mass destruction, it’s going to lead to a global conflict that I believe has to be confronted today. Every day that we refuse to look at this as what it is, and the scale of it, and really the viciousness of it, will be a day where you will rue that we didn’t act

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.bndwAmXWL#.ui8bV15Rv

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    Indeed, Sam. Humans aren't angels.

    The question is, what does Bannon mean when he says 'act' .... If (as it seems) he means cooperate with Assad and the Russians to defeat ISIS, terrific.

    This has been a long week of enduring the petulant whining of grieving liberals. It's beginning to dawn on them that they brought this on themselves, but they're still bleating that it wasn't fair that Trump was a more effective politician. (Not their words, of course, but that's the gist of it.)

    Today I hit on a new retort: Trump has it all wrong on Iran, but it serves the Democrats right for pretending that the Iranians had a nuclear weapons program.
    , @geokat62

    The word ‘Humanity’ is perhaps the least understood and most misinterpreted in the entire lexicon of misused terms. Humans aren’t what some humans fancy, and piety climbs heights peculiar, when fingers drum the keyboard in the indomitable spirit of ‘justice!’
     
    Beautifully written words, Sam. How would you feel if these same words were used to describe (no less justify) the atrocities of WWII? When a certain group of people felt victimized and went to great lengths to seek justice, all was well. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, we are told that the world is not a utopia and we need to just suck it up. I'm sure you can express this latter sentiment much more mellifluously than I can... but you get the point.

    First, it is mostly a signal and performs no significant financial function for Israel.
     
    Then call for an end to it, Sam... I'm not holding my breath.

    Second, but we shall brook no interference from outside.
     
    If the American taxpayer is footing the $6 trillion bill to remake the MENA to make the jungle a little safer for the villa, if the US is vetoing all resolutions that are being put forward at the SC that condemn the behavior of Israel, if the US taxpayer is proving tribute, eh I mean "aid' of $38 billion over the next 10 years, with all due respect, Sam, I think they've earned the right to intervene.

    Bannon has a good vision for the ME, it squares with one I’ve deeply held on the deleterious effects of crony capitalism sapping the strength of Judeo-Christian civics...

    What do you think is the major threat today, to the Judeo-Christian Civilization?
     
    Judeo-Christian civics... Judeo-Christian Civilization... ? I've heard of American civics and Western Civilization, but what exactly is Judeo-Christian civics and Judeo-Christian Civilization, Sam?
  157. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @anon

    In contrast, Israel and Jews are always judging and condemning others: White Deplorables, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Hungarians, Poles, and etc.
     
    You wrote a lengthy comment but I think the central point is that although dozens of other countries are doing far worse things than Israel , Israel deserves the scrutiny because they are condemning others.

    The deplorables comment was made by a American Christian or Athiest woman depending on how you feel about Clinton's personal beliefs . Israel doesn't do much complaining about Russia or China and has good relations with both . As far as Poles and Hungarians I do not know that there is enough noise from Israel regarding these 2 nations to merit notice .Israel built the security fence for Hungary that is working so well at keeping invaders at bay . Iran does as much whining about Israel as Israel does about Iran .

    China complaining about American Human rights.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/26/china-report-attacks-us-human-rights-record

    How about let Israel have nukes, let Iran have nukes… and everybody’s happy.

    If more nations have nukes, US will be less likely to act like new war-mongers all around the world.

    Actually, US and USSR and China having nukes made war far less likely during the Cold War.

    And if European nations all had nukes on eve of WWII, even mad dog Hitler would not have done crazy stuff.

    Nukes all around.

    Nuclear Proliferation is a human right. It is the great equalizer among powerful and weak nations.

    Let Norks have nukes. US won’t invade and cause more trouble around the world.

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  158. @Sam Shama
    The word 'Humanity' is perhaps the least understood and most misinterpreted in the entire lexicon of misused terms. Humans aren't what some humans fancy, and piety climbs heights peculiar, when fingers drum the keyboard in the indomitable spirit of 'justice!'

    It is perhaps best to engage in a bit of self-reflection; for each might discover their deep-seated convictions to be mere biases and none too subtle.

    I'll make my observations on the foregoing discussion surrounding Israel, particularly on the matter of 'aid' as I have done in the past, no doubt to be met yet again, with the same righteous moral outrage, etc. Especially from the denizens who've never set foot in the middle east but shrill of voice oh they are.

    First, it is mostly a signal and performs no significant financial function for Israel. Second, for those who insist that it be revoked, I say "shall we?" what are you waiting for? This, the government you just elected, should it not oblige? Oh! I see 'it is infested by zionists'. Funny how it comes back to the basic question: why did you elect them? Is there a truth you missed all along or are you going to plead a running manipulation by zionists on the vote? In either case, you have no case.

    Second, nothing of significance ever gets done by consensus and groups and peoples which are able, bring about change. True Palestinians who are our kin, will be given citizenship with all the rights and duties associated with that status, but we shall brook no interference from outside.

    Bannon has a good vision for the ME, it squares with one I've deeply held on the deleterious effects of crony capitalism sapping the strength of Judeo-Christian civics. Here is Bannon:

    Questioner: What do you think is the major threat today, to the Judeo-Christian Civilization? Secularism, or the Muslim world? In my humble opinion, they’re just trying to defend themselves from our cultural invasion. Thank you.
    [Question restated by Harnwell]
    Bannon: It’s a great question. I certainly think secularism has sapped the strength of the Judeo-Christian West to defend its ideals, right?
    If you go back to your home countries and your proponent of the defense of the Judeo-Christian West and its tenets, often times, particularly when you deal with the elites, you’re looked at as someone who is quite odd. So it has kind of sapped the strength.
    But I strongly believe that whatever the causes of the current drive to the caliphate was — and we can debate them, and people can try to deconstruct them — we have to face a very unpleasant fact: And that unpleasant fact is that there is a major war brewing, a war that’s already global. It’s going global in scale, and today’s technology, today’s media, today’s access to weapons of mass destruction, it’s going to lead to a global conflict that I believe has to be confronted today. Every day that we refuse to look at this as what it is, and the scale of it, and really the viciousness of it, will be a day where you will rue that we didn’t act

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.bndwAmXWL#.ui8bV15Rv

     

    Indeed, Sam. Humans aren’t angels.

    The question is, what does Bannon mean when he says ‘act’ …. If (as it seems) he means cooperate with Assad and the Russians to defeat ISIS, terrific.

    This has been a long week of enduring the petulant whining of grieving liberals. It’s beginning to dawn on them that they brought this on themselves, but they’re still bleating that it wasn’t fair that Trump was a more effective politician. (Not their words, of course, but that’s the gist of it.)

    Today I hit on a new retort: Trump has it all wrong on Iran, but it serves the Democrats right for pretending that the Iranians had a nuclear weapons program.

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  159. @anon
    [Although overwhelming use of boldface isn't as serious a violation as all-caps "shouting," you should stop doing it if you want your comments published.]

    1. Which of these other war crimes taking place in Islamic countries is financed by the US taxpayer to the tune of $6,000,000,000,000.00 and counting?
     
    America gives aid to many countries but Israel is perhaps the most reasonable steward of aid money . For example Sudan receives US aid and has managed to kill at a rate 100x that Israel has , despite receiving less than 1/10th of the aid money Israel does. Another example Indonesia receives US aid and has been able to kill at a rate 25x that Israel has despite receiving less than 10% of the aid that Israel receives .

    Another metric is that with 10% of the aid money Israel receives , Sudan is able to occupy 500,000 square miles of land compared to 2,000 square miles that Israel is occupying. Indonesia with 10% of the aid money they receive is able to occupy 120,000 square miles of land as opposed to Israels 2,000 square miles occupied.

    Israel is perhaps the most reasonable steward of aid money .

    But, of course. Israel puts the tribute it is paid to very good use… like building a wall that steals large tracts of land, check points that prevent people who require medical attention from getting it, prisons that incarcerate political prisoners as young as 12 years old, a security fence that cages in 2 million Gazans who are placed on a subsistence diet, bulldozers that has killed an American, etc. etc. etc.

    They are very good “stewards,” indeed.

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  160. @Sam Shama
    The word 'Humanity' is perhaps the least understood and most misinterpreted in the entire lexicon of misused terms. Humans aren't what some humans fancy, and piety climbs heights peculiar, when fingers drum the keyboard in the indomitable spirit of 'justice!'

    It is perhaps best to engage in a bit of self-reflection; for each might discover their deep-seated convictions to be mere biases and none too subtle.

    I'll make my observations on the foregoing discussion surrounding Israel, particularly on the matter of 'aid' as I have done in the past, no doubt to be met yet again, with the same righteous moral outrage, etc. Especially from the denizens who've never set foot in the middle east but shrill of voice oh they are.

    First, it is mostly a signal and performs no significant financial function for Israel. Second, for those who insist that it be revoked, I say "shall we?" what are you waiting for? This, the government you just elected, should it not oblige? Oh! I see 'it is infested by zionists'. Funny how it comes back to the basic question: why did you elect them? Is there a truth you missed all along or are you going to plead a running manipulation by zionists on the vote? In either case, you have no case.

    Second, nothing of significance ever gets done by consensus and groups and peoples which are able, bring about change. True Palestinians who are our kin, will be given citizenship with all the rights and duties associated with that status, but we shall brook no interference from outside.

    Bannon has a good vision for the ME, it squares with one I've deeply held on the deleterious effects of crony capitalism sapping the strength of Judeo-Christian civics. Here is Bannon:

    Questioner: What do you think is the major threat today, to the Judeo-Christian Civilization? Secularism, or the Muslim world? In my humble opinion, they’re just trying to defend themselves from our cultural invasion. Thank you.
    [Question restated by Harnwell]
    Bannon: It’s a great question. I certainly think secularism has sapped the strength of the Judeo-Christian West to defend its ideals, right?
    If you go back to your home countries and your proponent of the defense of the Judeo-Christian West and its tenets, often times, particularly when you deal with the elites, you’re looked at as someone who is quite odd. So it has kind of sapped the strength.
    But I strongly believe that whatever the causes of the current drive to the caliphate was — and we can debate them, and people can try to deconstruct them — we have to face a very unpleasant fact: And that unpleasant fact is that there is a major war brewing, a war that’s already global. It’s going global in scale, and today’s technology, today’s media, today’s access to weapons of mass destruction, it’s going to lead to a global conflict that I believe has to be confronted today. Every day that we refuse to look at this as what it is, and the scale of it, and really the viciousness of it, will be a day where you will rue that we didn’t act

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.bndwAmXWL#.ui8bV15Rv

     

    The word ‘Humanity’ is perhaps the least understood and most misinterpreted in the entire lexicon of misused terms. Humans aren’t what some humans fancy, and piety climbs heights peculiar, when fingers drum the keyboard in the indomitable spirit of ‘justice!’

    Beautifully written words, Sam. How would you feel if these same words were used to describe (no less justify) the atrocities of WWII? When a certain group of people felt victimized and went to great lengths to seek justice, all was well. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, we are told that the world is not a utopia and we need to just suck it up. I’m sure you can express this latter sentiment much more mellifluously than I can… but you get the point.

    First, it is mostly a signal and performs no significant financial function for Israel.

    Then call for an end to it, Sam… I’m not holding my breath.

    Second, but we shall brook no interference from outside.

    If the American taxpayer is footing the $6 trillion bill to remake the MENA to make the jungle a little safer for the villa, if the US is vetoing all resolutions that are being put forward at the SC that condemn the behavior of Israel, if the US taxpayer is proving tribute, eh I mean “aid’ of $38 billion over the next 10 years, with all due respect, Sam, I think they’ve earned the right to intervene.

    Bannon has a good vision for the ME, it squares with one I’ve deeply held on the deleterious effects of crony capitalism sapping the strength of Judeo-Christian civics…

    What do you think is the major threat today, to the Judeo-Christian Civilization?

    Judeo-Christian civics… Judeo-Christian Civilization… ? I’ve heard of American civics and Western Civilization, but what exactly is Judeo-Christian civics and Judeo-Christian Civilization, Sam?

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    [ How would you feel if these same words were used to describe (no less justify) the atrocities of WWII?]

    I am simply observing and endeavouring to correct false equivalences. Never did I propose anyone 'suck it up'; protest with all the might one might muster; engage the levers of power; yet not belabour all moral outrage and similar malarkey to the point where hopes of extra-constitutional treatment beyond what is afforded by the pathways of elected government get dashed and thereby cloud an acceptance of the final outcome. Which is another way of saying do please accept the decisions of our political system.

    [Then call for an end to it, Sam… I’m not holding my breath.]

    It's immaterial what I call for, the monies being as I said, a matter - among other things - of signalling in the ME, and hoping that the U.S.A. relinquish it either selectively in the case of Israel or universally, is to wish for an end to geopolitical influence making.

    [If the American taxpayer is footing the $6 trillion bill.....Sam, I think they’ve earned the right to intervene.]

    I am far from persuaded by this notion that the amounts spent were anything substantially in the aid of Israel. However, even if I were to grant it for the sake of argument and accept American intervention, I'd insist the proponents of intervention do the honourable thing and let prevail a final outcome with America as the arbiter.

    [I’ve heard of American civics and Western Civilization, but what exactly is Judeo-Christian civics and Judeo-Christian Civilization, Sam?]

    Civilisation didn't start nor end with the Greeks, although the singular contribution of the classical Hellenic era is indisputable. Nothing is forever, as note the lot of present day Greece.

  161. @anon

    anon, you are a sodding zionist troll who has polluted this comment section with obfuscation and lies…
     
    Wrong , so wrong . I am an impartial observer who has graced this comment section with truth and wisdom .It bears repeating . Genocides and occupations with casualties expressed in millions and hundreds of thousands *Sudan occupation of Darfur* *Indonesia occupation of Papua* *Russia occupation of Chechnya* are ignored in favor of highlighting a conflict that has generated a mere 22,000 casualties *Israel* over a 50 year period.

    Conflicts involving slavery *Mauritania* * Boko Haram insurgency * *Islamic State in Iraq and Syria ISIS* are ignored in favor of whining about a relatively restrained Israel .

    Occupations with far higher casualty rates * Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara * * Turkish occupation of both Cyprus and Kurdistan * * Iranian occupation of Kurdistan * are ignored in favor of using Israel as a smokescreen .

    There are many more such examples , but that was a brief reminder for you . You are welcome .

    “impartial observer” is everything u are not, you sad little zionist liar.

    For one thing, it is RIDICULOUS to claim that zionism/israel is responsible for only those relatively few deaths you attributed to them.

    Just in recent years, your heroes have been the main culprits for the catastrophic wars in Afghnanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    For example, re Syria:

    During an RT CrossTalk interview, at around 0:50, R.T’s Peter Lavelle turns to retired CIA veteran, Ray McGovern, with a question re Washington’s seemingly irrational position towards Syria;
    McGovern then mentions what he calls…. the “Elephant in the room”, i.e., Israel, the main reason for the ongoing dirty war on Syria.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd5fuAUM2BM

    As for Iraq, several authors have already extensively documented the zio reasons for that sordid war. Including the author of the above review, Dr.Stephen J. Sniegoski.
    “The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel”
    https://www.amazon.com/Transparent-Cabal-Neoconservative-National-Interest/dp/1932528172/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1479427043&sr=1-1&keywords=transparent+cabal

    …Showing that the neocon movement has always identified closely with the interests of Israel’s Likudnik right wing, the discussion contends that neocon advice on Iraq was the exact opposite of conventional United States foreign policy, which has always sought to maintain stability in the region to promote the flow of oil.[..]

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    For one thing, it is RIDICULOUS to claim that zionism/israel is responsible for only those relatively few deaths you attributed to them.

    Just in recent years, your heroes have been the main culprits for the catastrophic wars in Afghnanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.
     

    For the record , I have no heroes . Now then , it is absurd to claim Israel as the culprit for the wars you list.
    Lybia : No threat to Israel . A mostly desert country located 1,700 km distance from Israel . Separated by Egypt . No navy to speak of and no way to project its force beyond its borders. Renounced nuclear ambitions . Absolutely absurd to claim Israel had a need or want for a war with Libya.

    Afghanistan : No threat to Israel . A mostly barren and rocky LANDLOCKED country with almost zero infrastructure , populated by people with an average IQ of 80 and preoccupied with Bacha Bazzi, and located a whopping 3,000 km distance from Israel . Separated from Israel by 3 countries ( Iran, Iraq, Jordan ) and absolutely no way to project its force beyond its borders .

    Iraq
    : No threat to Israel . Located 900 km from Israel , separated by the kingdom of Jordan and no way to project its forces beyond its border . If more proof is needed , it can be had in the fact that Israel attacked Iraq in the early 80s , destroying their nuclear reactor , killing dozens of top Iraqi nuclear scientists in the process and Iraq did not respond. If they were ever a threat , they surely would have used this gross breach of their sovereignty as a reason to attack Israel .

    Syria
    : You are on firmer ground here , at least they share a border . Defeated by Israel in 3 wars. Had their nuclear program bombed by Israel a few years back with no response . Multiple generals and Jihadis have been assassinated on Syrian soil . If they are a threat then they have been so for 70 years . In the past 40 years until the Syrian civil war it was the quietest border in Israel .The reality is its a Muslim on Muslim war.


    Norman Finkelstein on BBC – HARDtalk; “Israel Is A LUNATIC State!!”

     

    Oh Norman Finkelstein ,of all people, vomited out an opinion in typical hyperbolic fashion. Carries as much weight as the opinion of my next door neighbor. Do try harder next time LK .
  162. Norman Finkelstein on BBC – HARDtalk; “Israel Is A LUNATIC State!!”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6weY6FxyEhI

    Rogue State: Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/

    Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions
    Study: Israel Leads in Ignoring Security Council Resolutions
    NEW YORK – Israel holds the record for ignoring United Nations Security Council resolutions, according to a study by San Francisco University political science professor Steven Zunes.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/study-israel-leads-in-ignoring-security-council-resolutions-1.31971

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    @L.K
    "impartial observer" is everything u are not, you sad little zionist liar.

    For one thing, it is RIDICULOUS to claim that zionism/israel is responsible for only those relatively few deaths you attributed to them.

    Just in recent years, your heroes have been the main culprits for the catastrophic wars in Afghnanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    For example, re Syria:

    During an RT CrossTalk interview, at around 0:50, R.T's Peter Lavelle turns to retired CIA veteran, Ray McGovern, with a question re Washington's seemingly irrational position towards Syria;
    McGovern then mentions what he calls.... the "Elephant in the room", i.e., Israel, the main reason for the ongoing dirty war on Syria.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd5fuAUM2BM

    As for Iraq, several authors have already extensively documented the zio reasons for that sordid war. Including the author of the above review, Dr.Stephen J. Sniegoski.
    "The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel"
    https://www.amazon.com/Transparent-Cabal-Neoconservative-National-Interest/dp/1932528172/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1479427043&sr=1-1&keywords=transparent+cabal

    ...Showing that the neocon movement has always identified closely with the interests of Israel's Likudnik right wing, the discussion contends that neocon advice on Iraq was the exact opposite of conventional United States foreign policy, which has always sought to maintain stability in the region to promote the flow of oil.[..]
     

    For one thing, it is RIDICULOUS to claim that zionism/israel is responsible for only those relatively few deaths you attributed to them.

    Just in recent years, your heroes have been the main culprits for the catastrophic wars in Afghnanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    For the record , I have no heroes . Now then , it is absurd to claim Israel as the culprit for the wars you list.
    Lybia : No threat to Israel . A mostly desert country located 1,700 km distance from Israel . Separated by Egypt . No navy to speak of and no way to project its force beyond its borders. Renounced nuclear ambitions . Absolutely absurd to claim Israel had a need or want for a war with Libya.

    Afghanistan : No threat to Israel . A mostly barren and rocky LANDLOCKED country with almost zero infrastructure , populated by people with an average IQ of 80 and preoccupied with Bacha Bazzi, and located a whopping 3,000 km distance from Israel . Separated from Israel by 3 countries ( Iran, Iraq, Jordan ) and absolutely no way to project its force beyond its borders .

    Iraq
    : No threat to Israel . Located 900 km from Israel , separated by the kingdom of Jordan and no way to project its forces beyond its border . If more proof is needed , it can be had in the fact that Israel attacked Iraq in the early 80s , destroying their nuclear reactor , killing dozens of top Iraqi nuclear scientists in the process and Iraq did not respond. If they were ever a threat , they surely would have used this gross breach of their sovereignty as a reason to attack Israel .

    Syria
    : You are on firmer ground here , at least they share a border . Defeated by Israel in 3 wars. Had their nuclear program bombed by Israel a few years back with no response . Multiple generals and Jihadis have been assassinated on Syrian soil . If they are a threat then they have been so for 70 years . In the past 40 years until the Syrian civil war it was the quietest border in Israel .The reality is its a Muslim on Muslim war.

    Norman Finkelstein on BBC – HARDtalk; “Israel Is A LUNATIC State!!”

    Oh Norman Finkelstein ,of all people, vomited out an opinion in typical hyperbolic fashion. Carries as much weight as the opinion of my next door neighbor. Do try harder next time LK .

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    Libya :

    Fiction - No threat to Israel.

    Fact -

    Bernard-Henri Levy would not have gone to Libya had “he not been Jewish”

    French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy said Sunday that “it is as a Jew“ that he “participated in the political adventure in Libya,” in the first National Convention organized by the Representative Council of Jewish Organizations of France (CRIF).

    “I would not have done if I had not been Jewish,” said the philosopher, before an audience of nearly 900 people, meeting in Paris, adding: “I wore my flag in fidelity to my name and my loyalty to Zionism and Israel. “

    https://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/bernard-henri-levy-would-not-have-gone-to-libya-he-he-not-been-jewish/
     
    Afghanistan :

    Fiction - No threat to Israel .

    Fact - Afghanistan is a little more complicated. It all comes down to geography. After 9/11, the US military were first stationed in Afghanistan and then in Iraq. Which country do you think is smack dab in the middle of these two countries? That's right, it's Iran. And Iran is the keystone of the Shia arc - Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah - Israel's arch enemy.

    Iraq:

    Fiction - No threat to Israel .

    Fact -

    Kerry Reminds Congress Netanyahu Advised U.S. to Invade Iraq

    ”If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region,” Mr. Netanyahu said then. “And I think that people sitting right next door in Iran, young people, and many others, will say the time of such regimes, of such despots is gone.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/world/middleeast/kerry-reminds-congress-netanyahu-advised-us-to-invade-iraq.html?_r=0
     
    Syria :

    Fiction - The reality is its a Muslim on Muslim war.

    Fact -

    AIPAC to Deploy Hundreds of Lobbyists to Push for Syria Action

    The influential pro-Israel American Israel Public Affairs Committee will deploy hundreds of activists next week to win support in Congress for military action in Syria, amid an intense White House effort to convince wavering U.S. lawmakers to vote for limited strikes.

    "We plan a major lobbying effort with about 250 activists in Washington to meet with their senators and representatives," an AIPAC source said on Saturday.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.545661
     

    Carries as much weight as the opinion of my next door neighbor. Do try harder next time LK .
     
    It appears your next door neighbour's opinion carries a lot more weight than yours. Do try harder next time, anon.
  164. @anon

    For one thing, it is RIDICULOUS to claim that zionism/israel is responsible for only those relatively few deaths you attributed to them.

    Just in recent years, your heroes have been the main culprits for the catastrophic wars in Afghnanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.
     

    For the record , I have no heroes . Now then , it is absurd to claim Israel as the culprit for the wars you list.
    Lybia : No threat to Israel . A mostly desert country located 1,700 km distance from Israel . Separated by Egypt . No navy to speak of and no way to project its force beyond its borders. Renounced nuclear ambitions . Absolutely absurd to claim Israel had a need or want for a war with Libya.

    Afghanistan : No threat to Israel . A mostly barren and rocky LANDLOCKED country with almost zero infrastructure , populated by people with an average IQ of 80 and preoccupied with Bacha Bazzi, and located a whopping 3,000 km distance from Israel . Separated from Israel by 3 countries ( Iran, Iraq, Jordan ) and absolutely no way to project its force beyond its borders .

    Iraq
    : No threat to Israel . Located 900 km from Israel , separated by the kingdom of Jordan and no way to project its forces beyond its border . If more proof is needed , it can be had in the fact that Israel attacked Iraq in the early 80s , destroying their nuclear reactor , killing dozens of top Iraqi nuclear scientists in the process and Iraq did not respond. If they were ever a threat , they surely would have used this gross breach of their sovereignty as a reason to attack Israel .

    Syria
    : You are on firmer ground here , at least they share a border . Defeated by Israel in 3 wars. Had their nuclear program bombed by Israel a few years back with no response . Multiple generals and Jihadis have been assassinated on Syrian soil . If they are a threat then they have been so for 70 years . In the past 40 years until the Syrian civil war it was the quietest border in Israel .The reality is its a Muslim on Muslim war.


    Norman Finkelstein on BBC – HARDtalk; “Israel Is A LUNATIC State!!”

     

    Oh Norman Finkelstein ,of all people, vomited out an opinion in typical hyperbolic fashion. Carries as much weight as the opinion of my next door neighbor. Do try harder next time LK .

    Libya :

    Fiction – No threat to Israel.

    Fact –

    Bernard-Henri Levy would not have gone to Libya had “he not been Jewish”

    French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy said Sunday that “it is as a Jew“ that he “participated in the political adventure in Libya,” in the first National Convention organized by the Representative Council of Jewish Organizations of France (CRIF).

    “I would not have done if I had not been Jewish,” said the philosopher, before an audience of nearly 900 people, meeting in Paris, adding: “I wore my flag in fidelity to my name and my loyalty to Zionism and Israel. “

    https://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/bernard-henri-levy-would-not-have-gone-to-libya-he-he-not-been-jewish/

    Afghanistan :

    Fiction – No threat to Israel .

    Fact – Afghanistan is a little more complicated. It all comes down to geography. After 9/11, the US military were first stationed in Afghanistan and then in Iraq. Which country do you think is smack dab in the middle of these two countries? That’s right, it’s Iran. And Iran is the keystone of the Shia arc – Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah – Israel’s arch enemy.

    Iraq:

    Fiction – No threat to Israel .

    Fact –

    Kerry Reminds Congress Netanyahu Advised U.S. to Invade Iraq

    ”If you take out Saddam, Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region,” Mr. Netanyahu said then. “And I think that people sitting right next door in Iran, young people, and many others, will say the time of such regimes, of such despots is gone.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/world/middleeast/kerry-reminds-congress-netanyahu-advised-us-to-invade-iraq.html?_r=0

    Syria :

    Fiction – The reality is its a Muslim on Muslim war.

    Fact –

    AIPAC to Deploy Hundreds of Lobbyists to Push for Syria Action

    The influential pro-Israel American Israel Public Affairs Committee will deploy hundreds of activists next week to win support in Congress for military action in Syria, amid an intense White House effort to convince wavering U.S. lawmakers to vote for limited strikes.

    “We plan a major lobbying effort with about 250 activists in Washington to meet with their senators and representatives,” an AIPAC source said on Saturday.

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.545661

    Carries as much weight as the opinion of my next door neighbor. Do try harder next time LK .

    It appears your next door neighbour’s opinion carries a lot more weight than yours. Do try harder next time, anon.

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  165. @geokat62

    The word ‘Humanity’ is perhaps the least understood and most misinterpreted in the entire lexicon of misused terms. Humans aren’t what some humans fancy, and piety climbs heights peculiar, when fingers drum the keyboard in the indomitable spirit of ‘justice!’
     
    Beautifully written words, Sam. How would you feel if these same words were used to describe (no less justify) the atrocities of WWII? When a certain group of people felt victimized and went to great lengths to seek justice, all was well. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, we are told that the world is not a utopia and we need to just suck it up. I'm sure you can express this latter sentiment much more mellifluously than I can... but you get the point.

    First, it is mostly a signal and performs no significant financial function for Israel.
     
    Then call for an end to it, Sam... I'm not holding my breath.

    Second, but we shall brook no interference from outside.
     
    If the American taxpayer is footing the $6 trillion bill to remake the MENA to make the jungle a little safer for the villa, if the US is vetoing all resolutions that are being put forward at the SC that condemn the behavior of Israel, if the US taxpayer is proving tribute, eh I mean "aid' of $38 billion over the next 10 years, with all due respect, Sam, I think they've earned the right to intervene.

    Bannon has a good vision for the ME, it squares with one I’ve deeply held on the deleterious effects of crony capitalism sapping the strength of Judeo-Christian civics...

    What do you think is the major threat today, to the Judeo-Christian Civilization?
     
    Judeo-Christian civics... Judeo-Christian Civilization... ? I've heard of American civics and Western Civilization, but what exactly is Judeo-Christian civics and Judeo-Christian Civilization, Sam?

    [ How would you feel if these same words were used to describe (no less justify) the atrocities of WWII?]

    I am simply observing and endeavouring to correct false equivalences. Never did I propose anyone ‘suck it up’; protest with all the might one might muster; engage the levers of power; yet not belabour all moral outrage and similar malarkey to the point where hopes of extra-constitutional treatment beyond what is afforded by the pathways of elected government get dashed and thereby cloud an acceptance of the final outcome. Which is another way of saying do please accept the decisions of our political system.

    [Then call for an end to it, Sam… I’m not holding my breath.]

    It’s immaterial what I call for, the monies being as I said, a matter – among other things – of signalling in the ME, and hoping that the U.S.A. relinquish it either selectively in the case of Israel or universally, is to wish for an end to geopolitical influence making.

    [If the American taxpayer is footing the $6 trillion bill.....Sam, I think they’ve earned the right to intervene.]

    I am far from persuaded by this notion that the amounts spent were anything substantially in the aid of Israel. However, even if I were to grant it for the sake of argument and accept American intervention, I’d insist the proponents of intervention do the honourable thing and let prevail a final outcome with America as the arbiter.

    [I’ve heard of American civics and Western Civilization, but what exactly is Judeo-Christian civics and Judeo-Christian Civilization, Sam?]

    Civilisation didn’t start nor end with the Greeks, although the singular contribution of the classical Hellenic era is indisputable. Nothing is forever, as note the lot of present day Greece.

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    I am simply observing and endeavouring to correct false equivalences.
     
    And I guess all I'm doing Sam is simply observing and endeavouring to point out moral equivalences wherever they exist.

    yet not belabour all moral outrage and similar malarkey... Which is another way of saying do please accept the decisions of our political system.
     
    Is this not kind of like telling the downtrodden to suck it up?

    It’s immaterial what I call for...
     
    It's material to me, Sam.

    hoping that the U.S.A. relinquish [the monies]..., is to wish for an end to geopolitical influence making.
     
    You hit the nail on the head, Sam. I do, indeed, wish for an end to foreign