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This charming fellow, Dwayne Dixon, a hard-core Antifa, threatened Fields with a military-grade assault rifle shortly before he crashed into the crowd.
This charming fellow, Dwayne Dixon, a hard-core Antifa, threatened Fields with a military-grade assault rifle shortly before he crashed into the crowd.

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Editor’s Note: This trial has nothing to do with Russia, but I am running this series for I have seen no other reporting from inside the courthouse which is sympathetic to the defendant, who, on the face of things, has a very strong case that he is not guilty of the charges. Unfortunately for him, he faces a clearly biased judge, dishonest and hysterical media coverage, an apparently incompetent defense team (court-appointed public defenders), and most importantly, a local jury drawn from a small, hyper-liberal town which is hot for a lynching. That the judge denied a motion to move the trial to a less biased location gives you an idea of the inequity of proceedings and the mood of the judge.

Andrew Anglin, the proprietor of the Daily Stormer, has laid out the facts of the case very well here and here. (For those of you unfamiliar with the Stormer, keep in mind that it makes liberal use of satire. It has very intelligent and spot-on analysis couched in deliberately inflammatory language. We sometimes republish their articles related to Russia, which are often excellent. You can see an archive of them here.)

As the author points out, this is an important case because it will test the US justice system – can it deliver a fair trial in such a politically and emotionally charged case? Can an impecunious, naive young white man get a fair hearing with the powers that be lined up against him? The initial signs suggest he cannot.

- Charles Bausman, Editor.

November 29, 2018. CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA.

Fifteen months after the now notorious Unite the Right rally (UTR), James Alex Fields is finally having his day in court.

Fields is facing a slate of charges including first degree murder for crashing his Dodge Challenger into a crowd in downtown Charlottesville two hours after UTR was forcibly disbursed by police. He was arrested minutes after the incident, denied bail, and has been imprisoned ever since. He has also been charged with federal hate crimes, for which he will likely face prosecution next year.

The deceased, and local favorite: the Newport smoking, morbidly obese, black-uniformed, Antifa-loving, leftist radical Heather Heyer.
The deceased, and local favorite: the Newport smoking, morbidly obese, black-uniformed, Antifa-loving, leftist radical Heather Heyer.

This case is important for three reasons. First, it has the potential to break the “Charlottesville Narrative.” Whether Fields is found guilty or not, the public will be deluged with facts about the Challenger incident and about UTR generally, many of which are not favorable to the leftist narrative. The left has used (and will continue to use) Charlottesville as a bludgeon against the dissident right and mainstream conservatives alike. The left is able to do so because of media mendacity and because conservatives would rather fold than fight–always ready to grovel whenever the left accuses them of “racism” or some other thought crime.

Second, the trial will be a barometer of whether United States still functions according to Rule of Law. All of the UTR attendees prosecuted so far have been convicted in ludicrously unfair proceedings, and all the “counter-protestors” have either not been charged or have received preferential treatment. The judge in the Fields case, Richard E. Moore, also presided at the trials of Jacob Goodwin, Alex Ramos and Daniel Borden. All three were convicted of malicious wounding for beating up Deandre Harris, 20, a black, after the rally.

As usual, that isn’t the whole story. Before the beating, Harris can be seen on film slamming an elderly UTR attendee with a flashlight. What was Harris’ punishment? Nothing. He was found not guilty and got to keep $160,000+ in donations given him by the liberal cyber-mob, which he appears to have used to make a rap video in which he dispenses worldly wisdom on a life in crime, drug use, and shooting people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=xdiJlRvSkQ8

Third, the outcome will affect several other key cases. One such case is Sines v. Kessler, a sprawling civil suit brought on behalf of 11 plaintiffs against every key figure and organization who participated in UTR. The suit is being argued by two New York-based law firms, Boies Schiller Flexner and Kaplan Hecker & Fink, whose ethnic composition is worth noting. The suit alleges that UTR attendees conspired to commit violence because of “hate,” “racism,” and other species of badthink. The Fields trial will also likely affect the trials of four UTR attendees who were recently arrested in California and accused of “conspiracy to riot.”

The defendant, James Fields, with his mother
The defendant, James Fields, with his mother

Fields faces an uphill battle. His fate will be decided by a jury of twelve (and four alternates) who are all Charlottesville residents. Suffice it to say, they are unlikely to be sympathetic. A Charlottesville jury, when presented with incontestable proof of an assault on UTR organizer Jason Kessler, decided to fine the assailant $1. The defense did file a motion in August to hold the Fields trial in a different venue, but Judge Moore denied it.

Jury selection started Monday, but was not complete until Thursday morning. Of the 16 jurors all but one is white (or Jewish/light Hispanic, perhaps). The only outlier is a middle-aged black man. There are nine women and seven men, generally older. Only 4 or 5 appeared under 40.

Prosecution Opening Statement

The prosecution isn’t pulling any punches. The facts are not on their side, so they are going in for maximum emotional effect. During her 20-minute opening statement, Senior Assistant Commonwealth’s attorney Nina Antony stressed the gruesome nature of victim’s injuries, and suggested that Fields had premeditated the whole thing, mentioning that three months before UTR, Fields had posted an image of a car running into a crowd of people on Instagram. “Fields was here in Charlottesville with anger and images of violence fixed in his mind.”

Fields\
Fields' car, plowing into a crowd of demonstrators

She also went to great lengths to eulogize Heather Heyer, the only person to die at the scene. The cause of her death is still disputed, as no reliable photos or video of her being struck by Fields’ car have yet emerged. But the prosecution seems confident. Ms. Antony claimed that Heyer was hit with the full force of the vehicle and that she was “lifted into the air off her feet.” Then, according to the prosecution, Fields “[took] with him her blood and flesh still on his fender.” But did Heyer die as a direct result? Heyer’s mother stated that she died of a heart attack.

The reliance on rhetorical flourish stems from a dearth of evidence. The facts are not on the prosecution’s side. Their case relies on the idea that posting an edgy picture on the Internet substantiates premeditation. This trial may well come down to an argument over what constitutes irony.

Defense blunders

The defense’s opening statement left a lot to be desired. Fields’ attorney John Hill did not contest any of the prosecution’s facts. He began by noting that the prosecutor “is correct, this is not a who-done-it case.” He went on to explain that the defense had nothing to dispute about the facts… this coming right after the rather colorful claims of the Commonwealth’s main prosecutrix. Perhaps this is tactical–a forceful defense is unlikely to carry a Charlottesville jury, especially given that they have been subjected to 15 months of the shrillest propaganda about Fields and UTR.

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Fields' car after the incident

But the defense made two arguments that seem like a bad strategy. First, to illustrate that Fields did not come to the event intending to engage in violence, Mr. Hill argued that Fields had only brought a change of clothes; he brought no weapons, no poles, no face-mask. Sounds reasonable, all the attendees were publically instructed by the rally organizers not to bring weapons. But watch for the prosecution to turn this argument on its head: that Fields brought no baggage specifically because he intended to carry out a car attack. Why bring a toothbrush when you are committed to murder and mayhem?

Second, Mr. Hill argued that Fields did not “flee” the scene, he merely “left.” This line seems intended to fight the charge of fleeing the scene. But does he really expect the jury to see a distinction? Moreover, it undermines Fields’ main argument: that he felt endangered and acted in self defense. How could he have felt that he was in danger before the car crash, but that he didn’t feel scared enough to flee after his car hit a mass of people who then smashed out his windows? It is totally illogical. The easiest application of the self-defense argument is in relation to the people who were injured when Fields sped away in reverse–many of them were attacking his car with bats and sticks. Why on earth would his lawyer argue that he was NOT fleeing?

This charming fellow, Dwayne Dixon, a hard-core Antifa, threatened Fields with a military-grade assault rifle shortly before he crashed into the crowd.
This charming fellow, Dwayne Dixon, a hard-core Antifa, threatened Fields with a military-grade assault rifle shortly before he crashed into the crowd.

However, Hill did provide some useful details about Fields’ activities and interactions in the two hours between the time when UTR was forcibly (and illegally) dispersed and when the car crash happened. Fields left Lee Park by walking west–the safer way–and returned to the UTR staging ground at McIntyre Park. He went back to his car at the McDonald’s up the road (presumably this one). At the Shell gas station across the street, he met three other UTR attendees, who needed to get back to their cars, all parked in the still-dangerous downtown. Fields volunteered to give them a lift back to their cars. Dropping them off, Fields and his new acquaintances resolved to meet up later for lunch.

The Stakes

If Fields is found guilty, he faces life in prison and even the death penalty. There is immense political pressure to convict Fields. Judge Moore has shown himself a consistent persecutor of his city’s political enemies, while turning a benevolent eye toward the real criminals: the anarchists, black thugs, and degenerates who successfully denied UTR attendees the right to free assembly and free speech.

If Moore continues in this vein, he is only finishing the job started by the Charlottesville Mayor, city council and police department, in collusion with the Virginia State Police and, no doubt, more senior elements. The fault was theirs, whether by negligence or device. This is not a groundless theory, but the findings of the independent report of Timothy Heaphy, the former (and Obama-appointed) US Attorney for the Western District of Virginia.

Should Fields be found not guilty, the authorities know that they will have to contend with a maelstrom leftist outrage, as other jurisdictions across America are all too familiar. From Ferguson to Portland, Berkeley to Washington DC, the forces of radical decline have scarred the face of our nation.

If only our leaders had the will to rule.


Note: Quotes are based on notes taken in court the morning of 29 November, 2018. I do not know shorthand, and at times the attorneys spoke quickly or inaudibly. There may be some minor mistakes in transcription, but the overall tone and substance is true.

(Republished from Russia Insider by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. JLK says:

    He’s entitled to a fair trial. I’m surprised it wasn’t moved. The jury pool has clearly been saturated by inflammatory information about the case.

    With that said, I wouldn’t accept Anglin and the Daily Stormer at face value. He’s too skilled a propagandist to fit with the supposed community college/ OSU dropout background.

    • Replies: @propagandist hacker
  2. CMC says:

    Is anyone down there talking about anything like the ‘sudden emergency’ doctrine?

  3. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    Why does Alex Fields just have a public defender?

    Surely we have resources enough to hire a respectable local defense attorney.

    • Replies: @crimson2
    , @MarkinLA
    , @DL42
  4. I have seen Fields car damaged rear. My question is when the damage happened. Was he breaking before accident, or it did happen when he was backing?
    Naturally if the damage happened when he was breaking and following car run into him then Field is totally innocent.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  5. goofball in the photo looks like he’s straight out of Deliverance

    • Replies: @mikemikev
    , @Wan Kingman
  6. CS14 says:

    Solid piece by Greg, hope to see more first-hand coverage like this. One has to wonder who organized these leftist groups who freely marched for hours after Terry McAuliffe’s govt declared a state of emergency and the lawfully permitted rallygoers had gone. Also, pics of said “prosecutrix” needed, thx.

  7. @Anon

    I’m impressed by Mr. Favre for the USS Liberty mention.

    What is the goyim defense league? I’ve never heard of it.

    • Replies: @Wade
  8. What is the moral of this story?

  9. schrub says:

    The public defender who is representing the defendant knows full well that he will suffer tremendous repercussions from his peers if he was to accidentally win this case despite what appears to be his best efforts to deliberately throw it. I guarantee that his fellow civil servants have already made these threats quite clear to him and in no uncertain terms.

    Public defenders (not the sharpest tacks in the legal box) are usually known for their excessive plea bargaining in order to avoid the extra work that goes along with actual jury trials. This results in many or most public defender having comparatively little or no experience with a trial before an actual jury. Judges go along with this perversion of justice simply because they are usually as lazy as the public defenders and only want to clear out their court docket as quickly as possible. Fields’ public defender already hates him simply because of all the extra work this case is causing him.

    David Boies, the lead attorney in the case against Jason Kessler, is probably one the most expensive
    lawyers on the east coast and will even take up a case if it doesn’t pay him his $2000+ hourly fee (like he is rumored to have gotten for successfully arguing the case for gay marriage before the US supreme court). I am willing to bet that Boies is probably also advising the prosecution in the case against Fields.

    To my knowledge, none the supposed leadership of the alt-right ever mentioned setting up a defense fund for Fields ( despite a lot of their loud grandstanding ) to pay for ANY private attorney, even a cheap one just out of law school. Any relatively impartial attorney that wasn’t also a government employee.

    • Agree: Jett Rucker
  10. Thanks for this, Greg. It’s great to see you’re here at unz.com.

    • Disagree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Jack Highlands
  11. the judge denied a motion to move the trial

    That pretty much says all we need to know about the judge.

    the public will be deluged with facts about the Challenger incident and about UTR generally

    The public will be deluged with nothing of the kind. The public will be deluged with anti-white propaganda, same as on every other day of the year.

    It’s worth repeating that only one side needed a permit to protest–got the permit–and were then assaulted by illegal violent thugs who apparently didn’t need any permits at all, but instead were protected and facilitated by ‘public safety’ officers.

    Let’s please not pretend that this trial is any kind of measure of ‘justice’ in today’s USA. That ship sailed long ago.

    • Agree: densa
  12. It would be about time that the wider “movement” get involved and hire him a good defense attorney.

    But as far as I remember, most figureheads found it more tactically expedient to distance themselves from the Charlottesville car incident as much as possible back when the details were largely unknown. Beside obvious pecuniary consideration, might cynical political tactics have something to do with why he doesn’t receive more help?

    I am, of course, grasping, as the reasons are most likely practical. Most figureheads who could start a drive for donations seem to be involved in their own legal quagmires right now, so they’re resources are already stretched too thin for a case of this magnitude.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  13. mikemikev says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    He’s a soft studies professor LARPing as a redneck as a show of solidarity or something.

  14. I wonder how, after O J Simpson was acquitted, anyone can have any confidence in the USA trial by jury system.
    All, as far as I know, Dutch judges and lawyers after the OJ Simson show agreed, in the Dutch system without juries he would have been convicted.
    USA juries consist of, on average, citizens with low IQ.
    As far as I understand, anyone with a job or business of some importance can avoid becoming a juror.

    Already some 20 years ago I discussed the different legal systems in the USA.
    The one and only argument for the jury system seems to be that judges can be bribed, and, the assertion ‘it is better to be judged by your peers’.
    My statement that Dutch judges cannot be bribed was not believed.
    As it happens, by coincidence, I knew personally quite a few Dutch judges, knew, some died already.
    I’m convinced that Dutch judges cannot be bribed.

    What the Charlotteville trial is about I do not quite understand.
    It is not contested, as far as I understand, that the accused drove his car into a group of people deliberately.
    One woman died, cause of death not quite clear.

    So what is the trial, I’m not a lawyer, I suppose just the choice between premeditated murder and severely injuring people.
    Premeditated murder cannot be proved, I understand, this leaves severely injuring people, maybe aggravated by the asserted intention of killing people.
    Race, my view, has nothing to do with it.

    We had a somewhat similar case just now in the Netherlands, anti Black Pete demonstrators stopped by blocking a highway for reaching their destination.
    The judge made it quite clear that the trial had nothing to do with Black Pete, just with blocking a highway, endangering traffic, preventing that the right of demonstration could be used.
    What would have happened in this case with a jury system, a lot of political fuss, I suppose.

  15. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    College town full of and run by N-Words. What can one expect. That’s the problem with Portland Portland; few N-Words, but other than Nike headquarters the main business of Portland is colleges and all the perpetual students and hangers on who are anti fa White haters .

    I know White southerners love the south but how can you stand them, especially now they have such political and AA government worker power? I read The Guardian article about the Mississippi senate race. One would think Hitler instead of a White woman won the election. The European liberal hatred of White southerners is blatant.

    Remember the Duke Lacrosse fiasco.A White DA decided to prosecute them even though the police investigators decided the accusation was unfounded. The so called victim is now in prison for murder. White Duke professors and staff went on a year long hate rampage.

    We are a diseased, horrible race destroying ourselves.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
    , @Exador
  16. S says:

    Antifa with red scarves looks to be an officially state sanctioned embryonic wannabe ‘Red Guards’ on standby to enact a Chinese style ‘cultural revolution’ circa 1966 – 68 in the United States.

    Xie Fuzhi, the national police chief, said it was “no big deal” if Red Guards were beating “bad people” to death.

    On August 22, 1966, a central directive was issued to stop police intervention in Red Guard activities. Those in the police force who defied this notice were labeled “counter-revolutionaries.” Mao’s praise for rebellion was effectively an endorsement for the actions of the Red Guards, which grew increasingly violent.

    Public security in China deteriorated rapidly as a result of central officials lifting restraints on violent behavior. Xie Fuzhi, the national police chief, said it was “no big deal” if Red Guards were beating “bad people” to death. The police relayed Xie’s remarks to the Red Guards and they acted accordingly. In the course of about two weeks, the violence left some one hundred teachers, school officials, and educated cadres dead in Beijing’s western district alone. The number injured was “too large to be calculated.”

    Murder, torture, and humilation, were all part of the ‘cultural revolution’.

    In August and September 1966, there were 1,772 people murdered in Beijing alone.

    The most gruesome aspects of the campaign included numerous incidents of torture, murder, and public humiliation. Many people who were targets of ‘struggle’ could no longer bear the stress and committed suicide. In August and September 1966, there were 1,772 people murdered in Beijing alone. In Shanghai there were 704 suicides and 534 deaths related to the Cultural Revolution in September. In Wuhan there were 62 suicides and 32 murders during the same period.

    Intellectuals were to suffer the brunt of these attacks. Many were ousted from official posts such as university teaching and allocated manual tasks such as “sweeping courtyards, building walls and cleaning toilets from 7am to 5pm daily” which would encourage them to dwell on past “mistakes”. An official report in October 1966 reported that the Red Guards had already arrested 22,000 ‘counterrevolutionaries’.

    Nothing was sacred. Statues, grave sites, places of worship, were desecrated and destroyed.

    Many famous temples, shrines, and other heritage sites in Beijing were attacked.

    After the 18 August [1966] rally, the Cultural Revolution Group directed the Red Guards to attack the ‘Four Olds’ of Chinese society (old customs, old culture, old habits and old ideas). For the rest of the year, Red Guards marched across China in a campaign to eradicate the ‘Four Olds’. Old books and art were destroyed, museums were ransacked, and streets were renamed with new revolutionary names and adorned with pictures and the sayings of Mao. Many famous temples, shrines, and other heritage sites in Beijing were attacked.

    The Cemetery of Confucius was attacked in November 1966 by a team of Red Guards from Beijing Normal University, led by Tan Houlan. The corpse of the 76th-generation Duke Yansheng was removed from its grave and hung naked from a tree in front of the palace during the desecration of the cemetery. Attacks on other cultural and historic sites happened between in 1966 and 1967. One of the greater damages was to the Ming Dynasty Tomb of the Wanli Emperor in which his and the empress’s corpses along with a variety of artifacts from the tomb were destroyed by student members of the Red Guard. Between the assaults on Wan Li and Confucius’ tombs alone, more than 6618 historic Chinese artifacts were destroyed in the desire to achieve the goals of the Cultural Revolution.

    By the summer of 1968 the Red Guards were no longer needed by the establishment which had officially fostered them, and were disgarded and suppressed, some forcibly so in the same manner as Robespierre and the Old Bolsheviks.

    Antifa people should take note.

    At the same time the PLA carried out mass executions of Red Guards in Guangxi province…Mao, the Chairman informed them gently of the end of the [Red Guard] movement with a tear in his eye..

    An order from Mao, the Cultural Revolution Group, the State Council, and the Central Military Affairs Committee of the PLA on 5 September 1967 instructed the PLA to restore order to China.

    The PLA violently put down the national Red Guard movement in the year that followed, with the suppression often brutal. A radical alliance of Red Guard groups in Hunan province called the Sheng Wu Lien was involved in clashes with local PLA units, for example, and in the first half of 1968 was forcibly suppressed. At the same time the PLA carried out mass executions of Red Guards in Guangxi province that were unprecedented in the Cultural Revolution.

    The final remnants of the movement were defeated in Beijing in the summer of 1968. Reportedly, in an audience of the Red Guard leaders with Mao, the Chairman informed them gently of the end of the movement with a tear in his eye. The repression of the students by the PLA was not as gentle. After the summer of 1968 some more-radical students continued to travel across China and play an unofficial part in the Cultural Revolution, but by then the movement’s official and substantial role was over.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @densa
    , @MB
    , @Hail
  17. Thank you for this report.

  18. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The problem with American judges is not ordinary bribery although it does happen. The problem is that the law schools were taken over by pro criminal White hating communist Jews starting about 100 years ago and completed by 1950. Affirmative action for leftist women and black judges made things worse as most black and many women judges are hard left and pro criminal.

    How a long term criminal court judge can see the same thugs year after year and still go out of their way to stretch laws and procedure to favor them is beyond belief.

    I read that the Dutch railways are to pay reparations to Israel because the Germans used the railroad during the war. Soon Israel will demand reparations from the water sanitation street gas and electric agencies because the Germans used those services too. Next they will sue the farm cooperatives and associations because Germans ate Dutch raised food during the occupation.

    American jurors aren’t low IQ. The laws exempting people from jury duty because of their important jobs are long gone. Important business is no excuse.

    Lots of lawyers have jury duty. Even former president Obama was called for jury duty in Chicago. He didn’t serve in a jury but he showed up and chatted with the other prospective juries.

    In my experience the more educated also known as brainwashed jurors are much more inclined to be lenient with black criminals and find them innocent no matter how much evidence that they are guilty.

    The entire print and TV media in America is pro black criminal. It’s only on the internet and among law enforcement that you’ll find people who know the truth about black crime.

  19. @JLK

    you wrote:
    “With that said, I wouldn’t accept Anglin and the Daily Stormer at face value. He’s too skilled a propagandist to fit with the supposed community college/ OSU dropout background.”

    you may have a point…he is the best humorist out there..how did he get to be that way?

    and in the same vein, why is patrick little still on youtube?

  20. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Here’s a book you’ll enjoy. It’s about corrupt judges in the most corrupt county in the country, Cook County Illinois in which is the most corrupt city Chicago.

    Author Robert Cooley is a former criminal defense attorney who won almost all his cases because he just bribed the judges. In our system, there are preliminary hearings before a jury trial. The defense always asks the judge to just dismiss the case in these hearings. That’s all he did, just give the judge a bribe and ask for a dismissal.

    Cooley also tells how the organized crime mafia criminals influenced the elections and re elections of judges. Cooley was a corrupt police officer before he became a corrupt lawyer and relates police corruption. One police officer he knew had a part time job. The part time job was murdering people for the mafia.

    The book reinforces every negative stereotype about Chicago and Cook County.

    Book is When Corruption Was King by Robert Cooley and Hillel Levin. Carroll & Graf Publishers 2004. I’m sure you can find it on Amazon.

  21. Anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:

    He drove his car in to a crowd of people. People were injured. One died. Heart attack or not, having been struck by a car at a highly charged event such as Charlottesville could lead to a heart attack.

    The young man made two mistakes. One, he was naive enough to go a UTR rally, as if a rally can change the course of politics and save us from ourselves. Two, he drove in to a crowd of people. He should have known better than to drive his car in to such an event. His judgement is way off.

    I believe it was fear that caused him to panic and crash in to a crowd. But it’s no excuse. He could have left his car home that day.

    Does he deserve life? Not in my opinion. Six months of creative punishment, a working sentence, should do the trick.

    Frankly, the kid isn’t too bright. Nor are protesters on either side of the divide. True change doesn’t start at stupid rallies.

    It starts inside the home.

  22. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @S

    I think you’re right.

  23. @Anon

    I presume Ajax Amsterdam the football club of Dutch Nazis WHO PROVIDED A LIST OF THEIR JEWISH MEMBERS to the liberators WITHOUT BEING ASKED will be throwing in a few guilders as well?

    • Replies: @Parsnipitous
  24. Bucky says:

    Yeah, for purported non-PC “truthtellers” the alt-right is still prone to movement-politics, denial, and groupthink.

    Heather Heyer is the fault of James Fields. Even if she died of a heart attack and not from injuries from the vehicle impact, the triggering event for the heart attack was the car ramming into Antifa.

    And James Fields happened because of poor operational security and messaging by the alt-right. The Stormers claim to be satirists, but it has been one long slippery slope for them and their lying leader.

    FYI, rumor is that Greg Conte and Richard Spencer split after Conte caught Spencer in a three-some with Conte’s girlfriend.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
  25. @jilles dykstra

    Is it safe to assume that the Dutch legal system and law schools are not completely dominated by Jews? In the USA, you are more likely to find an impartial jury than an impartial judge.

  26. @Anonymous

    There’s no proof chain-smoking hamplanet Heyer was hit by anything other than early onset congestive heart failure.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  27. Wade says:
    @Anon

    I’m sure Brett was just being trolled by someone. He seems to be reading off what he said. I doubt he was familiar with either the Goyim Defense League or the USS Liberty.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  28. Wade says:
    @TimeTraveller

    Look into Know More News on Youtube. Adam Green started it.

  29. crimson2 says:
    @anonymous

    Why does Alex Fields just have a public defender?

    Surely we have resources enough to hire a respectable local defense attorney.

    lol!

    No, you don’t Remember the Jews stole all your money or something?

  30. @Anon

    ” I read that the Dutch railways are to pay reparations to Israel because the Germans used the railroad during the war. ”
    I read that too.
    In this respect nothing amazes me any more.
    Do not know what it is, running out of camp guards who can be prosecuted, and/or that a substantial part of the Dutch, one third, or even two third, have no idea whatsoever about WWII, and holocaust.
    I’m getting the impression that all these holocaust remembrance clubs are mainly convincing themselves that what they do have effect.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  31. Rich says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t know, seems to me a free citizen should have the right to attend a peaceful demonstration without having to worry about being attacked by violent communists protected by the local government, no? Also seems to me that if an angry crowd is hunting people down with baseball bats, a reasonable person should be allowed to drive as fast and hard as possible to avoid being attacked.

    • Replies: @Hail
  32. crimson2 says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Are you people too stupid to watch a video? No there was no damage on his car when he killed Heather Heyer.

  33. @Anon

    I read that book and it was fascinating! Especially how they were going to kill him. Boy was Pat Marcy powerful.

    The difference between that Italian mafia and our current “legal mafia” is the old mob broke laws and the new Jewish mob has the laws changed to suit their whims. And the old mob would kill you but the new “legal criminals” will just ruin you. And the FBI decimated the old mafia but is now an arm of the Jewish mob in America.

  34. @Anon

    From this side of the Atlantic it is difficult to form an opinion about the USA judicial system.
    Books and tv series galore about corrupt policmen, judges, persecutors, politicians.
    But even in our own country it is difficult to get an idea about integrety, honesty, etc.
    I happen to have known, completely privately, such as a judge who might have become my father in law, an neighbour, former colleague, quite a few judges.
    Any of them were/are in my opinion capable men, honest, could not be bought.
    Dutch judges judge one another, informally.
    Remember one perjury case, a judge who had caused a small traffic incident, lied under oath about the profile of the tyres of his car.
    He was not caught officially, but his colleagues were not lenient.
    What they did exactly, I was never told.
    My idea about the USA jury system is negative, but as I said, I just know it from novels and tv series.
    Let me add that Dutch judges are not infallible, also here innocent people are convicted, but, as we do not have the death penalty, mistakes can, to some extent, be put right.
    Not unimportant, in the Dutch system appeal is always possible, though it may take years before a procedure in appeal comes to an end.
    Right exists, most of the time, for those with money and pateince.

  35. niceland says:

    The idea to justify ramming a car into a crowd of people out of “fear” or “self defense” is hard to digest. But I guess anything is possible in extraordinary circumstances.

    With the terrible Antifa thugs, with guns and battering rams foaming out of their mouths chasing you..

    Well, here goes this theory down the drain;

    Judging by this video he is driving mostly empty street into the crowd. He wasn’t boxed in with no way to run. No armies of Antifa thugs behind him, no battering rams or guns in sight. His car is in pristine condition prior to the collision with the crowd so it wasn’t beaten up before!? Who is he running from in panic trying to save his bacon?

    And are we supposed to have some sympathy for this madman because one of his victims was obese and smoked?

    The picture this article is trying to paint looks false to me. I don’t have a clue if this nut-case is going to get a fair trial. Honestly I can’t say I really care, his victims didn’t.

    What I don’t get is how defending this guy is going to further or improve the cause of the alt-right or any cause for that matter?

  36. KenH says:

    I guess I need to read the transcript but sounds like Fields’ defense attorneys are merely going through the motions and just want to get this over with which guarantees he’ll be found guilty. Seemingly no mention of the Heapy report proving a city and police conspiracy to harm the UtR rallygoers, the terroristic threats made against Fields by inbred leftist retard Dwayne Dixon just prior to the crash or the fact that Fields’ car impacted another because he was fleeing a violent left wing mob.

    The evidence clearly shows that Fields was in fight or flight mode and trying to save his own life as any reasonable person would do and not, contrary to the dishonest left wing prosecutor, channeling his inner Mohammed on his way out of the outhouse that some call Charlottesville, VA.

    Similar to how Silicon Valley is nullifying the first amendment for wrongthinkers, municipalities controlled by the far left are nullifying the Bill of Rights for wrong thinkers and non-leftists like Fields and others. Charlottesville is leading the way.

    Trump, the Republican party and conservatism, inc. don’t have the will to rule so won’t fight these culture wars since they accept the media’s narrative that the UtR defendants are too far to the right and too controversial to receive recognition for their plight or a fair trial. As such, white racialists are under no obligation to observe laws or recognize courts since these have been weaponized for use against the (((left’s))) enemies.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  37. @schrub

    To my knowledge, none the supposed leadership of the alt-right ever mentioned setting up a defense fund for Fields ( despite a lot of their loud grandstanding ) to pay for ANY private attorney, even a cheap one just out of law school.

    how about you do it, Mr. Moneybags

    • Replies: @crimson2
  38. Agent76 says:

    May 22, 2017 The Inconvenient Truth About the Democratic Party

    Did you know that the Democratic Party defended slavery, started the Civil War, founded the KKK, and fought against every major civil rights act in U.S. history? Watch as Carol Swain, professor of political science at Vanderbilt University, shares the inconvenient history of the Democratic Party.

  39. @Anonymous

    The young man made two mistakes. One, he was naive enough to go a UTR rally, as if a rally can change the course of politics and save us from ourselves.

    he was naive enough to think this was still America, where people had the right to Free Speech

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  40. @Anon

    I read The Guardian article about the Mississippi senate race. One would think Hitler instead of a White woman won the election.

    the funny part is, i hear she’s a GOPe RINO at best – another Uniparty sellout

  41. @jilles dykstra

    USA juries consist of, on average, citizens with low IQ.

    don’t stoop to self-flattery, jilles

    I’m convinced that Dutch judges cannot be bribed.

    here you sound like an idiot – there’s nothing special about Dutch judges

  42. S says:

    Charlottesville is an interesting place.

    Located at Charlottesville is the University of Virginia established by the wealthy plantation residing and slave owning Thomas Jefferson. Just outside the city is his home Monticello where Jefferson is buried.

    Jefferson, as the author of the 1776 American Declaration of Independence, was a Founding Father of the Capitalist United States. This is the same nascent US which in 1776 had the multinational corporation British East India Company flag (identical to the Grand Union flag) flying over it to symbolize its Capitalist revolution.

    In this, Jefferson the person, like Charlottesville the place, is interesting.

    As Thomas Jefferson, a Founding Father of the Capitalist 1776 Revolution, was also a Founding Father of the 1789 Communist French Revolution.

    The French Revolution it will be recalled had its ‘Commune’, ‘Whites’, ‘counter-revolutionaries’, and mass executions, from which the Communist Soviet Union and Red China would evolve. Paris, the 1789 Revolution’s capital, accordingly has a city square today named ‘Stalingrad’ to honor that city’s Communist defenders.

    Groups such as Antifa would also evolve from the 1789 French Communist Revolution.

    Jefferson, as the American representative in France during the latter 1780′s and a firm supporter of the French Revolution, was the acting ‘consultant’ for fellow Capitalist revolutionary Lafayette and one additional Frenchmen in the writing of the Declaration of the Rights of Man.

    The Rights of Man is considered a core statement of the values of the Communist French Revolution.

    So, should it be that the US Capitalist establishment allows for Antifa to go the route of a full blown Maoist Red Guard style cultural revolution in America, when they come upon Jefferson’s grave at Monticello outside Charlottesville, will the Antifa tear down his monument and desicrate his grave by digging up his mouldering corpse as was done in China?

    Or..

    Perhaps more appropriately on their part considering the actual history of these things, will Antifa cry out in unison ‘Father!!’ at the sight of the Capitalist slave owner Thomas Jefferson’s grave, hang their heads in shame, and go home?

    ‘..rather than it [the French Revolution] should have failed, I would have seen half the earth desolated..’

    Thomas Jefferson on the Subject of the French Revolution (January 3, 1793)

    ‘My own affections have been deeply wounded by some of the martyrs to this cause, but rather than it should have failed, I would have seen half the earth desolated. Were there but an Adam and an Eve left in every country, and left free, it would be better than as it now is.’

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citizen

    https://www.eutouring.com/place_de_la_bataille_de_stalingrad_square.html

    https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/french-revolution

    • Replies: @Durruti
  43. During the preliminary hearing on December 14, 2017, defense attorney Denise Lunsford caused Detective Steven Young to testify that James Fields’s shirt was stained with urine when Fields was arrested. See the preliminary hearing’s transcript, page 40.

    Before Lunsford thus had revealed that Fields’ shirt was stained with urine, Lunsford had established that Fields had spent time with three other witnesses who saw Fields before he drove into downtown Charlottesville. I assume that all three witnesses say that Fields’ shirt was not stained with urine when he drove into downtown Charlottesville.

    It should be clear to this trial’s jury that someone threw urine onto Fields, while he was sitting in his car, right before Fields began driving toward the crowd of counter-protesters.

    On my blog, I have published a series of articles about the Charlottesville incident.

  44. crimson2 says:

    Once Alex Fields is executed we can turn our attention to people like Greg Cunte.

    • Replies: @AustrianArtist
  45. crimson2 says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    Really. The alt-right are a bunch of impoverished rednecks who can’t keep employment. It’s weird to expect them to be able to mount any kind of monetary defense.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  46. anarchyst says:
    @jilles dykstra

    There’s more to this whole “holocaustianity” business…
    The latest jewish “holocaust” swindle is that of “holocaust transference syndrome” where (only) jewish “holocaust” memories are transferred to their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and even to unrelated jewish persons. This claim by two jewish psychiatrists is gaining traction among jewish “holocaust” promoters in order to “keep the dream alive” and to “keep the reparations and shekels flowing”. You see, these children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and other unrelated jewish individuals are also seen as jewish “holocaust” survivors, worthy of reparations and special treatment.
    When will it end?
    If jews have their way…NEVER

    • Replies: @D-FENS
    , @Sic Semper
  47. Anson says:

    “Defense blunders”

    I do not understand why Americans continue to believe that the “public defender” is somehow working for the defendant. The “public defender” is an officer of the court. His job is not to help the defendant with a competent defense. His job is not to help the defendant win.

    The “public defender’s” job is to make sure that the defendant’s rights are not violated at trial so that the defendant does not have an appealable case.

    The “public defender’s” job is to make sure the conviction will not be overturned.

    James Alex Fields’ trial is a dog and pony show for America’s viewing enjoyment.

    Fields is a ward of the court, a legal incompetent, a child, unable to handle his own legal affairs. How do we know? We know because he is “represented by” John Hill.

    Of course John Hill “had nothing to dispute about the facts”. Hill’s job is to help the show trial end with an unappealable conviction.

    Welcome to America.

    • Replies: @D-FENS
  48. MarkinLA says:
    @anonymous

    If you have ever been near a criminal court you would know that in many cases the public defender is better than 80% of the garbage lawyers who infest the place. The problem is that top 20% are extremely expensive.

    I once talked to one of those firms – 15,000 just to represent you up to the preliminary hearing on a felony charge. Then by the hour after that. The prosecution knows that and uses it.

    • Replies: @propagandist hacker
  49. @Wade

    yes, apparently there is a website where you can pay celebrities $500 and more to read some few sentences you want them to

    considering all the money Favre has made over his career (well over $100 million) its sad to see him resort to this

  50. MarkinLA says:
    @niceland

    Judging by this video he is driving mostly empty street into the crowd. He wasn’t boxed in with no way to run.

    From other sources he didn’t have other ways to go. He was forced by the thugs to go down the street where the Antifa crowd was. If all the access routes are cut off but one, there is no place else to go. He could have gotten out of his car and ran but when he got back his car would have been torched. What would you do?

    • Replies: @niceland
  51. @niceland

    His car was hit from behind (several times), just before he accelerated.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  52. @crimson2

    Yes, comrade. I agree. Our comrades in the DOJ and FBI are doing well. We must continue to work with them.

  53. Rich says:
    @crimson2

    Are you so smart that you can’t see the armed mob terrorizing people all over the city?

  54. It’s quite possible Fields had some sort of medical incident prior to this. I mean hell, an Orthodox Jew in NYC just killed someone after putting his car in reverse and driving 30 mph backwards down the street. He claimed he was trying to parallel park. He got a summons for his troubles and is free pending a hearing.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Tyrion 2
  55. niceland says:
    @MarkinLA

    Take a look at the very end of the video when he is backing out. The street is empty behind him. Where did the crowd chasing him go?

    Was he hit from behind?
    Rear end of the car seems intact to me. If you guys have more videos or other evidence – please post them.

    BTW – I would burn down my car and my truck and my boat before ramming a crowd of innocent people with any of them.

    To me this video shows deliberate attack. His only defense is insanity.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Anonymous
  56. @crimson2

    The alt-right are a bunch of impoverished rednecks who can’t keep employment.

    if that makes you feel better, sure

    btw, here’s Dwayne Dixon, confronted by someone with a camera over his waving a gun at Fields – watch Dwayne panic and run:

    • Replies: @crimson2
    , @MarkinLA
  57. Anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    Yeah, smoking caused her early onset heart failure. Idiot

  58. Che Guava says:

    I am irritated by all of the false images of Heather Heyer.

    She was a fat sow.

    So, standby for the whale

    MAN THE HARPOONS!

    • Replies: @Hebraic Hypocrite
  59. @Anon

    Why does Red Elephant insist that Favre has no idea what he is talking about? Is it because he was a stupid football player (although q’backs are supposed to be the smart ones)? Maybe he’s suffered one too many concussions? Is it impossible to believe that Favre is an actual patriot instead of a paid shill for a group that I never heard of before? Is he, an independently wealthy multi-millionaire (unless he’s gambled away all his money), willing to say something he doesn’t believe in for a few lousy shekels?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @follyofwar
  60. Exador says:
    @Anon

    I live near Atlanta. The anti-white government policy is open and commonplace. There were stories of city council meetings where black members would openly say, “You ain’t bringing your white blah blah in here!” Forget about getting a white mayor. I remember a few elections ago, there was a black man running who had a white WIFE. I remember the media stories that ran: “How could he understand our struggle with his WHITE WIFE?” Every election, some group runs ads about how, “If you elect X, he’ll put you back in CHAINS!”

  61. crimson2 says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    if that makes you feel better, sure

    That and they keep going to prison. No use denying it. It’s why you’re crying like a bitch.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  62. @schrub

    OTOH, this could be the ONE chance these lowly public defenders have to make a name for themselves. Imagine if they actually get him off? (I know that’s a HUGE stretch). Their services could be in big demand as they lose that hick town for the big bucks that await. Hey, if Johnny Cochran can get OJ off…?

  63. fnn says:

    Video of the moments leading up to the collision:

    • Replies: @Dube
  64. @Anonymous

    Yes, that’s exactly what I said, cigarettes did it. Moron.

  65. Rich says:
    @niceland

    I just re-watched the scene of the accident, immediately after he hits the crowd about ten guys with baseball bats jump out and start assaulting his car. You can see it on any video you watch. The question would be, where was the local softball field and how did this group of weekend ballplayers just suddenly appear out of nowhere?

    If you would be willing to be pulled out of your car and beaten to death, or into severe injury, which has happened on many occasions, (see Reginald Denny), that says a lot about you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  66. KenH says:
    @niceland

    As I recall Fields collided with a car in front of his whereupon antifags began damaging his car and smashing the rear window and passenger side front window in an attempt to get into the car and physically harm Fields. This proves that he was driving through extremely hostile territory. This forced Fields to back up and hit more snarling left wing terrorists to get out of a dire situation or die or face serious injury.

    This video leaves those critical pieces out which is no accident.

    If Fields was hell bent on killing people with his car there were several opportunities to do so before this actual event. Hell, he could have just stayed in his car during the rally and started clipping the violent left wing counter protestors or started mowing people down on the sidewalks immediately after the rally. But he didn’t. Not only that the police are on record as stating that Fields was totally unaware that anyone died as a result of his actions and showed remorse.

    But like all leftists you’re going to take liberties with the actual facts and infer malign intent because you don’t like James Field’s politics.

    • Replies: @niceland
    , @cassandra
  67. fnn says:

    CGI recreation of crash based on official sources:

    • Replies: @Dube
    , @densa
  68. @crimson2

    Not sure which video you mean. Link? The ones I’ve seen do not capture the vehicle before it begins to accelerate down the side street toward Heyer and the other marchers. Given the generally violent scene and Antifa people with clubs around the question arises whether anyone was threatening Fields or pounding on his car before he took off toward the place were Heyer was marching.
    My impression is that Fields car turned onto a side street from the street that runs past the parking garage. I believe Charlottesville has a lot of video cameras around the parking garage and I’m wondering if any of them captured anything relevant to the cause of his accelerating toward the Mall.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  69. Durruti says:
    @S

    This a terrible mish-mosh.

    I do not have all day to answer this, (unless UNZ chooses to hire me – at a Living Wage, (plus free beer)??? I guess not; so I’ll just have some fun – briefly.

    It’s [S's) main purpose appears to support the Zionist New World Order narrative that:

    1. All revolution is bad.

    2. America (and its founders are/were evil) - not to mention - Straight White Males.

    3. Most of the (Founders') ideals (which implies-all of their ideals), are incorrect.

    4. Thomas Jefferson was evil (as the Zionists liquidators of America insist). Mr. Gorbachev, tear down those statues. Replace with one of Liberace, or Tiny Tim.

    5. Capitalists are Communists. - So what is all the fighting about?

    I quote - at nausea:

    "Jefferson, as the American representative in France during the latter 1780′s and a firm supporter of the French Revolution, was the acting ‘consultant’ for fellow Capitalist revolutionary Lafayette and one additional Frenchmen in the writing of the Declaration of the Rights of Man."

    " The Rights of Man is considered a core statement of the values of the Communist French Revolution."

    Point #5 above "Capitalists are Communists." Even my students have gotten beyond this.

    We don't want that "Rights of Man" stuff. Because:

    "The Rights of Man is considered a core statement of the values of the Communist French Revolution."

    Yipes!

    1. There has been NO "Communist French Revolution." Have I missed something here? Hollande, Macon, Henri Bernard Levy? All 3 Rothschild puppets, and Mr. Macon (the man married to his grandmother), is a former Rothschild Bank Employee, have exchanged leadership roles of the French Puppet Government. Dieudonné, and Soral, are proscribed, not allowed to visit America, Britain, practically under House arrest. Marine le Pen, the leader of the French Opposition, is threatened with confinement in an Asylum.

    2. I do not know about you; but no one here, specially me, wants any of this "Rights of Man."
    Lafayette. I am not coming! Life, liberty, the Pursuit of Property-(Locke), later expanded by the 'Communist' Jefferson, to the "pursuit of Happiness." Too hot for me.

    3. We don't want none of that happiness stuff! A little property, maybe some of Palestine (Hell! All of Palestine - from the Euphrates to the Nile). But, definitely, NO HAPPINESS!

    The Vicodin is wearing off. I'll leave you with this.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles

    I have no idea who wrote this. Might have been one of those "Commie" Founding Fathers.

    Boy! one of them could write!

    I'm with Sartre, I think, therefore; I might be alive! This is what I think!

    Trotsky and JF Kennedy were murdered.

    God Bless America!

    God Bless our Republic! [as soon as we restore it]

    Durruti

    • Replies: @redmudhooch
    , @S
  70. @crimson2

    That and they keep going to prison. No use denying it.

    its true, the right is being selectively prosecuted by corrupt government, both in Virginia and on a nationwide level

    It’s why you’re crying like a bitch.

    actually you’re the one that seems emotionally upset

    • Replies: @crimson2
  71. Feilds (and others) fell into a trap set by Terence Richard McAuliffe and local authorities. The purpose of staged events at Charlottesville was to equate protesters and white people in general with Nazis.

    Don’t even speak of justice in this has been country. It does not exist. Before you decide to participate in a public political event understand that your civil liberties only exist on paper and that you cannot expect the police to protect you from violence.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  72. @KenH

    Just because they are public defenders, how could you say that Fields’ attorneys are “merely going through the motions?” You don’t know that. The case just started Friday after 4 days of jury selection (if I have my dates right) and the prosecution always goes first. His attorneys, in the perhaps unlikely event they get Fields off, will have made a big name for themselves, their services would be in demand, and the money will follow. It’s David vs Goliath, but sometimes David wins.

    • Replies: @KenH
  73. crimson2 says:

    lol. The crash is on video, but sure, let’s go with a Nazi recreation. You guys are beyond stupid.

    I wish one of you brain-dead Nazis would actually get a law degree and defend this guy. “Your honor, he had to drive at high speed through a crowd because someone spit on his car earlier in the day.”

    • Replies: @Dube
    , @Wally
  74. Ragno says:

    I presume no crowd-funding platforms will be allowed to raise money for Fields’ defense but I would absolutely kick in should one appear. I don’t think I’ve got the stomach to watch this kid get railroaded and maybe do life for the “crime” of defending his life against a masked and armed mob attacking his car en masse after being set up to do so by the local cops and politicians.

    This right here is where the rubber meets the road. I fully expect the usual suspects – everyone from the NYT to the cable-news scuttlefish up to and including the UK’s utterly heinous Guardian to either ignore, dismiss or shamelessly distort what coverage there is. We’ll see now if Fox News or Breitbart or any would-be libertarian, paleoconservative or civil-liberties news/commentary venues besides the already-marginalized samizdat sources will put their money where their mouths are. But I tender them all the same warning: you may choose to join the jeering mob, or sit silent and say nothing (just as bad), and play the percentages that, later on, no one is going to remember or care enough to sort through the mountain of noise and garbage to sort the truth from lies and the patriots from the blue-haired agents of chaos and anarchy; but you’re wrong. Stand with the Bolshevik mob – even (especially) the ones with six and seven-figure incomes – and your treason will follow you for the rest, and to the end, of your days.

    Defending our Republic from anarchists in masks is both your birthright and your responsibility as an American citizen. I urge you not to look into your heart, where the America of Howard Zinn and George Soros resides – but instead to read our Constitution, and then the Federalist Papers, and to do the right thing: acquit Fields of all charges before this totalitarian madness tears our country to shreds.

  75. @Threestars

    In the present climate a name attorney who defended Fields would be taking a risk since a lot of people would condemn him and attempt to punish him in some way. Your best chance would be to get someone with outstanding liberal/left credentials like Alan Dershowitz. Good luck with that.

  76. @republic

    I watched that Red Ice video yesterday. It’s a long one, and sure shows compelling evidence that Fields, who just seems to be a lonely guy who went to the rally for some like-minded companionship, had no intention to harm anyone. If anything, he was just guilty of stupidity for driving his new found friends back into the dangerous city to get their cars, after which he got lost on Charlottesville’s many one-way streets. I hope the defense lawyers watch this video. Too bad they probably can’t present it in court.

    • Replies: @republic
  77. crimson2 says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    the right is being selectively prosecuted

    Someone getting prosecuted for driving into a crowd and killing someone could only be considered “selective” by morons.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  78. @WorkingClass

    Feilds (and others) fell into a trap set by Terence Richard McAuliffe and local authorities. The purpose of staged events at Charlottesville was to equate protesters and white people in general with Nazis.

    i don’t believe it was staged but it does seem likely that the left was prepared for this, even down to having a fake right-winger showing up with a swastika flag so the (((media))) could take many photos of him.

    I agree that the goal since then has been to label the event (with the help of jew media) as a Nazi or White Supremacist happening even though i bet less than 10% of those who showed up actually espouse those views. Most who showed up probably just wanted the damn border and immigration laws enforced and the illegal aliens and Visa overstayers removed.

    • Replies: @Wally
  79. @crimson2

    That and they keep going to prison.

    Someone getting prosecuted for driving into a crowd and killing someone could only be considered “selective” by morons.

    which is it, “they” or one?

    you’re dishonest too, i see

  80. Rosie says:
    @schrub

    To my knowledge, none the supposed leadership of the alt-right ever mentioned setting up a defense fund for Fields ( despite a lot of their loud grandstanding ) to pay for ANY private attorney, even a cheap one just out of law school.

    Do you actually know any lawyers or law students?

  81. Rosie says:
    @Jack Highlands

    Greg has a long history of stirring up trouble between White men and women. I hope that doesn’t continue.

  82. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Even a black leftist is nixed for criticizing Israel.

    Marc Lamont Hill get fired by CNN

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/BW3KUAUMe5E/

    • Replies: @Wally
  83. J1234 says:

    This charming fellow, Dwayne Dixon, a hard-core Antifa, threatened Fields with a military-grade assault rifle shortly before he crashed into the crowd.

    Sounds like a pretty important point, but I didn’t see it expanded upon in the article. Also, the “military-grade assault rifle” phrase channels Dianne Feinstein.

  84. Dube says:
    @crimson2

    Find the video showing his car clubbed on the left rear just before accelerating.

  85. JLK says:

    It should be clear to this trial’s jury that someone threw urine onto Fields, while he was sitting in his car, right before Fields began driving toward the crowd of counter-protesters.

    The main lesson to be learned from the C-ville incident is that police should keep protestors and counter-protestors apart. Things were bound to happen.

    Fields is a tragic figure in many respects. His father died in a car accident before he was born, and he was raised by his paraplegic mother. He was being treated for psychological issues. There was no strong parent figure to grab him by the lapels and get his thinking straight. The two sides were provoking each other all day, there was a predictable flash of anger, and two lives have been ended or ruined.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @anon
  86. Dube says:
    @fnn

    Consider the clubbing to the left rear of the car.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  87. @crimson2

    Well?
    In every case the fat pig was jaywalking!!!!

  88. niceland says:
    @KenH

    Really?

    When he rams into the crowd his car is intact. Only after the horrific collision is his car beaten with bats by guys that obviously were right there – in the very crowd he ran into. Honestly can you blame them?

    Around the 55 sec mark in this video one can see empty street behind him as far as can be seen. This is where he was coming from. Where is the army of thugs scaring the poor bastard to try to “escape” through the crowd at 20-30 mph. The only reason he didn’t injure or kill many more people is because he hit the cars inside the crowd.

    I have no idea what was happening inside his head – if anything moments before he hit the crowd – but this looks really bad for him. Insanity at best.

  89. Dube says:
    @crimson2

    Reduce the emotion, C2, and let’s see what remains, if anything.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  90. Dube says:
    @fnn

    Your video animation study at #69 is a helpful contribution, fnn. I’d elsewhere seen the clubbing of Fields’ Dodge at its left rear, prior to advancing toward the impact, but wasn’t aware of the near-simultaneous blow from the right, both of them prior to the impact. Neither was I aware of Dixon exhibiting his rifle at the side of the street prior to the two clubbings of the Dodge.

    Pointing out the low speed both prior and subsequent to the two clubbings is also relevant.

  91. Rich says:
    @niceland

    Again, where was the softball game? Why are so many of your people strolling through Charlottesville with baseball bats and magically appear after the accident? Can you get off your ideological horse for 10 seconds and see that there was more to this than just some maniac driving into a crowd? The police encouraged a riot, allowed armed groups to rampage through the streets, and in the midst of the mayhem, someone died. The police chief and mayor should be on trial for causing this death.

    • Agree: Hail, fnn
    • Replies: @Hail
  92. republic says:
    @follyofwar

    Here is another video

    Charlottesville Reconstructed: See it from James Field’s Point of View!

    also 4chan/pol has a lot of good research

    /pol/ – Politically Incorrect » Searching for posts with the subject ‘charlottesville’.

    https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/subject/charlottesville/

  93. densa says:
    @S

    Yes, there seem to be many parallels. Antifa is a Red Guard with political power, supported by the media and backed by millions so convinced they are justified in fighting the Four Olds, or in this case “hate,” that they don’t notice they have also destroyed the rule of law. Selective justice is no justice.

    We will all suffer as our country is destroyed, but those gleefully helping bring it about apparently believe the consequences will not apply to them as well.

    Thanks for the post.

    • Replies: @S
    , @S
  94. fnn says:
    @JLK

    The main lesson to be learned from the C-ville incident is that police should keep protestors and counter-protestors apart. Things were bound to happen.

    As if the authorities didn’t know that already. It was a deliberate decision to let the two sides “fight it out.”

    https://www.npr.org/2018/08/02/634890750/in-the-wake-of-charlottesville-journalist-begins-documenting-hate-in-america

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/12/05/media-hero-needs-to-answer-for-charlottesville-police-failure/

    https://vdare.com/posts/charlottesville-narrative-collapse-heaphy-confirms-sam-dickson-police-told-let-them-fight-it-out

  95. cassandra says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Premeditated murder cannot be proved, I understand, this leaves severely injuring people, maybe aggravated by the asserted intention of killing people.
    Race, my view, has nothing to do with it.

    I agree generally. I myself don’t understand how anyone could claim reasonable knowledge of Fields’ state of mind at the time of the accident, under the circumstances. However, the case seems to hinge on proving that Field did act with malice aforethought. I wonder whether denial of the change in venue constitutes grounds for an appeal. Maybe that’s when a serious crowdfunding campaign will begin.

    It is not contested, as far as I understand, that the accused drove his car into a group of people deliberately.

    He actually drove his car into a white convertibe, and “deliberately” is actually THE point of contention in the trial. I do admit we’ve been given the impression that the story line is “not contested”.

    As an antidote to the incurious coverage by conventional news channels, you may be interested in the videos by William Evans, on his SonOfNewo youtube channel. Here’s a story about him:

    http://www.c-ville.com/videos-of-fatal-crash/

    and here’s one of his earlier analyses:

    His thoroughness, and his critical attitude toward the official story line, together qualify him as a “conspiracy theorist” to the MSM and the PTB’s. You may judge the significance of his reports yourself.

  96. There is a lot of very stupid uninformed commentary in this thread.
    Fields was attacked and freaked out. He did not intend to harm anyone.
    The whole thing was the fault of the city and the police.
    The white men had a permit to be there to protest the removal of a statue.
    Antifa STARTED the violence, yet they walk, as the DOJ tries to nail every white man
    that attended.
    It’s a bullshit farce.
    Vince at Red Elephants has the best analysis I’ve seen.

  97. @niceland

    So why didn’t the airbags deploy when the Challenger rear ended one of two vehicles standing bumper to bumper at the intersection with their engines off? Why were two vehicles with their engines off standing bumper to bumper at the intersection? Why did no one emerge from the two vehicles when hit? Because the vehicles were unoccupied, having been placed there in advance to serve as a target for a false flag vehicle attack to be blamed on so-called “white supremicists”. The airbags had to be disabled as their deployment would interfere with the professional driver making his getaway. The Challenger was then handed off to Fields who was contracted to pose as a ” Nazi” and take the blame. Its complicated now because Heather Heyer had a heart attack and died. Heyer was not hit by anything, the prosecutor is lying. This was a very sophisticated and evil false flag attack.

  98. anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious

    Jewish Privilege on display

  99. KenH says:
    @niceland

    Fields had been driving around for a little while trying to find a means of egress from Charlottesville and most of the people he saw on the streets were hostile left wing counterprotestors. Your video does nothing to dispel that fact nor do split second camera shots on other videos.

    He had several opportunities to run leftists down before the collision in the video yet time and again he preoccupied himself only with getting out of the city until he evidently began to panic and tried forcing his way through the crowd.

    The leftist counterprotestors had no legal right to be milling around in the middle of streets blocking through traffic and acting like complete a$$holes. It was through incompetence and conspiracy on the part of the Charlottesville PD (likely on orders from the Jewish mayor and black panther vice mayor) that created the chain of events that led to this unfortunate incident.

    Insanity is an improvement from premeditated murder and hate crimes that he’s being charged with but remove the politics and he would only be charged with involuntary manslaughter. This trial is all about claiming another right wing scalp for the radical left and has nothing to do with traditional concepts of justice.

    • Agree: densa
  100. Was Fields a “hate mongering criminal”, or revolutionary patriot?

  101. densa says:
    @fnn

    Thanks, that is a helpful video. Despite the mitigating circumstances, he is being charged with 1st degree murder and hate crimes. Yet, the mayor and police who created these lawless circumstances are still fully employed and haven’t had to hire lawyers, as far as I know.

    That this judge did not see fit to remove the case from the town where officials could have been charged as well really makes it appear that justice will not be done.

  102. KenH says:
    @follyofwar

    You are correct that I don’t know that and assumed that from the article. I conceded that reading the court transcripts may shed light on the defense strategy and paint them in a better light but I don’t know if its available and have no desire nor the time to do that right now.

    But from the article it seems the defense conceded all of the prosecution’s central claims in their opening arguments which to me doesn’t seem smart. Usually competent defense counsel will contradict as many of the prosecution’s claims as possible and put damaging evidence into a different context that does less harm to their client.

  103. @niceland

    The Challenger did not “ram into the crowd”. Nearly all ” the crowd” was on the sidewalks walking around two unoccupied vehicles standing bumper to bumper with engines off. The Challenger rear ended one of these mysterious vehicles. It has not been established that Fields was driving the Challenger. If the driver of the Challenger wished to kill the people in” the crowd” the time to do it was when “the crowd” was moving down the center of the street before they reached the mysterious vehicles. Why did no one emerge from the standing vehicles after the collision? Where were the drivers? Why were the vehicles bumper to bumper engines off at the intersection? Who owns these two vehicles? Why were they there? This stinks of the false flag stink.

  104. anon[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @JLK

    The main lesson to be learned from the C-ville incident is that police should keep protestors and counter-protestors apart. Things were bound to happen.

    of course the police already knew this and since the right had a permit to speak it was the job of the police to make sure they were able to exercise that right

    • Agree: densa
  105. @niceland

    So why didn’t the airbags deploy when the Challenger rear ended one of two vehicles standing bumper to bumper at the intersection with their engines off? Why were two vehicles with their engines off standing bumper to bumper at the intersection? Why did no one emerge from the two vehicles when hit? Because the vehicles were unoccupied, having been placed there in advance to serve as a target for a false flag vehicle attack to be blamed on so-called “white supremicists”. The airbags had to be disabled as their deployment would interfere with the professional driver making his getaway. The Challenger was then handed off to Fields who was contracted to pose as a ” Nazi” and take the blame. Its complicated now because Heather Heyer had a heart attack and died. Heyer was not hit by anything, the prosecutor is lying. This was a very sophisticated and evil false flag attack.

  106. D-FENS says:
    @anarchyst

    They are also claiming that holocaust trauma is transmitted epigenetically to the children of holocaust survivors.

  107. D-FENS says:
    @Anson

    I was a juror on a murder trial where the defendent was being represented by a public defender. The public defender made his concluding presentation to tbe jury wearing a Yosemite Sam tie with both pistols blasting! I couldn’t believe it. I could have done a better job defending the accused.

  108. cassandra says:
    @niceland

    The only reason he didn’t injure or kill many more people is because he hit the cars inside the crowd.

    Does anybody know of any videos showing clearly what happened here at about the 7 sec point here? No video I’ve seen shows clearly the situation between the car and the crowd right at the moment of “impact”. For instance, were the people in the crowd making threatening gestures, like brandishing clubs, as the car approached? Did the people on the ground afterward at the side of the car jump backward, or were they hit? Pre and post events are reasonably clear, but the critical situation exactly when the car encountered the crowd is a blur, figuratively and literally

    I have no idea what was happening inside his head – if anything moments before he hit the crowd – but this looks really bad for him. Insanity at best.

    I don’t know what was happening in his head either. Since we agree we can’t assign intent, we’d have to at let him off with manslaughter or negligent homicide at worst. He is innocent until proven guilty, right? But that’s not what the prosecution is saying.

  109. @Jo Anne Cruijff

    And what I presume is that you’re not just a loonie, but a disinfo agent, trying to spread confusion in an idiotic manner, since Ajax’s one nickname is “de Joden”, which is what their rivals call them at times, like Tottenham Hotspur supporters in North London call themselves.

    Stop defiling Cruijff’s name, you whackjob.

  110. Was Fields a “hate mongering criminal”, or revolutionary patriot?

    Neither.

    He was a sucker who believed that a widely publicized racial rally could be anything other than controlled opposition.

    If I were (((hyperwealthy and powerful))), I would be worried about the racial right, and the redistributionist left. They are threats from different angles. I would infiltrate and/or fund both sides, so that I could control the outcome of any confrontation, collect information on the participants, and terrorize everyone else into submission.

    None of the retards in this comment section can explain why a well-financed Jew runs the English Defense League, while at the same time another Jew funds Antifa, yet both can serve the same (((moneyed))) interests simultaneously.

    The reason that many commentators here will never figure it out is that most of you believe in fair play, and you project your good intentions on people who are not well-intentioned.

    I find it hard to have any sympathy for a simpleton like Fields.

  111. @MarkinLA

    yeah, exactly, the public defenders in large cities are good…they are required to have experience….now, when i was a lawyer I managed to get a few cases as a public defender out on the edge of the metro…I had little idea what to do…why? Because law school is a scam…

  112. “One of Fields’ teachers has said he was fascinated by Nazism and admired Adolf Hitler”

    That right there means the trial is over. He should have took a plea deal. He WILL BE found guilty no matter what the evidence suggests.

    Guilt, innocence…….these terms are meaningless if the above testimony is true! This is just the world we live in now.

  113. @crimson2

    “Are you people too stupid to watch a video?”

    No, but it’s obvious that you are — as video evidence clearly shows at least two of the rioters attacking Fields’ vehicle with clubs prior to the accident.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/RkDLvzsdkgEtlNV3zs

    Not to mention the videotaped confession by professor Dwayne Dixon (a known member of the terrorist group “antifa”) in which he admitted that he threatened Fields with a loaded rifle shortly before the collision. Bragged about his attack on Fields on social media, too:

    • Replies: @Sic Semper
    , @Dube
    , @KenH
  114. Antifa wants to overthrow the ZOG-Govt.

    Alt-right wants to overthrow the ZOG- Govt.

    Whats the fuss? Get together, find common ground, both share a common enemy, goals.

    Work out the details after the main goal is done. Both, assuming both are not Govt. agents themselves, are just playing into (((their))) hands fighting each other. If you are focusing your energy, resources, and time on anyone but th e common enemy, then you are both gonna lose. The enemy will win, without lifting a finger.

    Wise up. Stop letting yourself be duped. Not smart!

    • Replies: @anon
  115. @anarchyst

    The holohoax had a 150% survival rate, one only needs to see all of the “survivors” still alive 75 years later. It wouldn’t be surprising if these same “survivors” are around 150 years after the “holocaust”. Meanwhile, when was the last time anyone heard from a survivor of the Bolshevik genocide? The Holodomor? The Armenian genocide? The Khumer Rouge? Does anyone else see a deductive reasoning issue with lack of vocal “survivors” of real genocide, but an abundance of “holocaust” survivors still around 75 years later?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  116. Jro says:

    That this quote:
    “The deceased, and local favorite: the Newport smoking, morbidly obese, black-uniformed, Antifa-loving, leftist radical Heather Heyer.”
    appears in this article under her photo is worth more than a thousand words that tell what a horrid bigoted hateful article this is and proves that the people supporting the idea that this man did not at least commit manslaughter, is proof to me that he is involved with hateful people and has most likely committed a hate crime. Just those words beneath the photo of the deceased is a hate crime.

  117. @James Forrestal

    What is truly sad about this man who rightfully feared being Reginald Dennyied, is that he did not immediately appreciate the fact that his life was over, surrounded by mortal enemies and a just-us system that would make certain that his life ended that day.

    Had he fully appreciated his martyrdom, perhaps the correct thing for him to do since he is forever labeled a “monster” was to be that monster and effect as many making good of vile filth as possible.

    In the genocide that is coming for ethnic Europeans across the globe, the only way to stave it is to become the monster. In battle people die, in “civilized society” co-opted by genociders, it is only the target populations who are meant to die.

    • Replies: @Crimson2
  118. @niceland

    Yes, really.

    To this point, I have not watched video of this bullshit. From what YOU posted, Trump’s initial reaction was completely right, in that there were stoked, armed, violent mobs on both (and maybe more than two) sides.

    I have no idea if the driver was psycho, scared, or somewhere in between. I know for sure that the mob who assailed his vehicle were in a very similar mental state.

    I also have no doubt which side the cops were on. It’s the cops’ fault more than anyone else’s, to judge from your clip.

  119. Wally says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    said:
    “i don’t believe it was staged”

    Try this:

    “We have been working on the ground and behind the scenes leading up to, during, and after the rally.”

    - Zionist Jew Anita Gray, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League.
    must read: http://www.unz.com/article/how-the-jews-won-the-battle-of-charlottesville/

    • Replies: @anon
  120. Wally says:
    @Anon

    If blacks get behind trashng of ‘Israel’ the game will have changed.

    Knowing that blacks oddly have a lot of influence on public perception, buying off blacks has been the game. Think of guys like Le Bron James, Don Cheadle. How long that can hold is questionable.

  121. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @follyofwar

    It was clearly a troll operation. Favre got trolled. There is NO WAY that he consciously and knowingly said that. Too Much to Lose.

    I’ll bet he is now in run-and-hide mode and hoping the stuff will just blow over. And it just might because MSM doesn’t want to make USS Liberty a big issue.

    But it is totally LOL. Trolls surely can be creative.

  122. Wally says:
    @crimson2

    LOL
    This is same absurdly incompetent crimson2 that was demolished by his fantasy ‘Nazis’ in his feeble attempts to prop up the laughably fake & impossible. ‘holocaust’ storyline. It was a rout.

    Check it out in the comments here:
    American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz: http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
    Cheers.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Crimson2
  123. @jilles dykstra

    I wonder how, after O J Simpson was acquitted, anyone can have any confidence in the USA trial by jury system.

    The prosecution never made a case to the jury of how, timeline-wise, he could have done it. That’s what they said. I have to accept that. They blew it, not the jury.

  124. anarchyst says:
    @Sic Semper

    You are correct. There are tens of thousands of American “holocaust survivors” who have never left the USA, or never lived in Europe during WW2, who are receiving tax-free “holocaust reparations” payments…

  125. anon[565] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    to me “staged” means both sides are in on it

  126. anon[565] • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch

    Antifa wants to overthrow the ZOG-Govt.

    do you really believe this?

    Antifa works for the status quo, so effectively they work for the ZOG govt

    • Replies: @Miro23
  127. Dube says:
    @James Forrestal

    Well presented, James Forrestal. Your #116 shows the two blows to the Dodge Challenger prior to impact.

  128. Crimson2 says:
    @Sic Semper

    In the genocide that is coming for ethnic Europeans across the globe

    Nobody is geonciding white people. Y’all are just huge cowards.

  129. Crimson2 says:
    @Wally

    Wally is actually the best argument for white genocide. Luckily most of the whit race isn’t as worthless.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  130. Dannyboy says:
    @Crimson2

    We are going to get to you people and make you howl before all is said and done.

    Take that to the bank.

    Death to the Left! Worldwide.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  131. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    losers resort to insults when they’ve lost the argument

  132. @Crimson2

    Unlike that fearless nog warrior crimson2. Drink you a big ol glass of stfu, nog, or else just stfu. The good news is, either way, that fearless nog warrior crimson2 gets to stfu.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  133. densa says:
    @Jro

    Hello.

    You wrote that these words were, in and of themselves, a “hate crime.” While the description was not flattering, was it not true? She did smoke Newports, was (medically) morbidly obese, and was wearing all black in support of the BLM/antifa movement. The only speculative part was that she was a “leftist radical,” but I suspect she would not have been offended by that characterization.

    I agree that Fields could face manslaughter charges, but he’s not being charged with that. He’s being charged with premeditated murder and a hate crime. He is also presumed to be innocent until proven guilty.

    I disagree that this is a “horrid hateful article…proof to me that he is involved with hateful people and has most likely committed a hate crime.”

    Your standard for proof of guilt seems set on a hair trigger. Your eagerness to condemn all of us on the grounds that we hate must mean that your hatred of us is the good kind, which is exactly what started all of this.

  134. @Ricky Spanish

    Neither. Fields was paid to pose as a “Nazi”. He was paid to be part of a false flag terror attack. He didn’t even drive the car. You are a chump conned into rationalizing the deed and defending him. Fields is a JDL agent. Wakeup.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  135. Did you see the photos of her on the stretcher, clad in only in her Shamu-sized “sexy” panties? Imagine the apocalyptic grease fire if they cremated that swamp donkey.

    • Troll: JLK
  136. Allow me to suggest to the commenters wasting their time responding to “crimson2″: Stop giving him what he wants: attention from white people. As a typical black living in the US, he defines his very existence by his access to whites. Whites with a shred of self respect do not go to his worldstar forums or whatever to “see what homie thinks,” because no one really cares what hordes of semi-literate grievance leeches think. But he cares what whites think. That is why he is here. Not to discuss or debate a given topic rationally, because that would like expecting a fish to ride a bicycle. No, he is here to draw attention to himself with his low brow, low rent, low intellect bigotry, because that is how he’s measures his value.

    His shtick isn’t even creative as far as black bigotry goes – he is the Dollar Store of fatherless black anger. Shop elsewhere.

    He is an embarrassment to the trolls here at Unz who actually put some thought into it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  137. Dannyboy says:

    Mr Dixon should be terminated with extreme prejudice as well as the other “professor” from Berkely who tried to crush the skull of the Trump supporter.

  138. Dannyboy says:

    Most of the Left will have to be disappeared/liquidated. The young ones will need hard labor/ re-education camps.

    Building monuments to our people and our great civilization.

  139. Miro23 says:
    @anon

    @redmudhooch

    Antifa wants to overthrow the ZOG-Govt.

    Do you really believe this?

    Antifa works for the status quo, so effectively they work for the ZOG govt

    Yes and no. The Antifa are the street arm of the Zio/Glob MSM, but they’re hard to control and go off script.

    New York’s Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the toast of the left right now, but like many things the left tends to celebrate, it’s all hope that this time their inanity will work, followed by the swift realization that their beloved cause célèbre falls so short it can be measured with a single yard stick.
    This is demonstrated in Ocasio-Cortez’s consistent ability to embarrass herself in front of wide audiences. Most recently, the “democratic socialist” labeled Israel as “the occupation of Palestine.” This is, of course, one of the hard left’s favorite talking points, and one of the subjects on which they are most hypocritical.

    https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2018/07/16/ocasio-cortez-perfect-example-ignorance-ineptitude-democratic-socialists-im-glad-shes/

    And in the UK:

    British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said on Wednesday that a Labour-led government would recognize an independent state of Palestine “as soon as we take office”. Speaking at a fringe event of the Labour Friends of Palestine conference, Corbyn threw his support behind a two-state solution, saying he wanted a “secure and viable” Palestine alongside Israel, according to the British Jewish News.

    Corbyn criticized US President Donald Trump for moving the US embassy to Jerusalem and cutting funding for UNRWA, the UN agency for “Palestinian refugees”. He also called for a “sustainable, just peace” with Israel after “51 years of occupation”.

    “But peace cannot be achieved with the existence of settlements, human rights abuses, and a disregard for international law by the current Israeli government, like last Sunday’s demolition of the Palestinian village of Khan Al Ahmar,” said Corbyn, referring to the illegally builtBedouin outpost near Jerusalem.

    “The security of one country can never be achieved at the expense of another and Britain has historic responsibility towards Palestinian people. We will continue to stand up for Palestinians, we will recognize an independent state of Palestine as soon as we take office,” he vowed.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/252466

  140. MB says:
    @S

    In that The New American and Steve, among others, have noted the similarities between our “cultural” revolution and Mao’s, I don’t think it is the first time that it has been pointed out that Antifa and Black Lies Matter are basically salt and pepper versions of the Red Guard.

    • Replies: @S
  141. @Bombercommand

    Evidence, or at least sources please.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  142. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    What makes you think he or she is black? I think most readers probably think he/she is Jewish.

  143. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @niceland

    He was surrounded.

  144. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @AustrianArtist

    His car was hit from behind (several times), just before he accelerated.

    He doesn’t need to have been hit from behind. He was menaced from the front by an angry mob.

  145. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @niceland

    Was he hit from behind?

    That doesn’t matter. He was being threatened by an angry mob. Justifiable self defense.

    And by the way, why are his brake lights on in the photo you posted?

    • Replies: @fnn
  146. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    I just re-watched the scene of the accident, immediately after he hits the crowd about ten guys with baseball bats jump out and start assaulting his car. You can see it on any video you watch. The question would be, where was the local softball field and how did this group of weekend ballplayers just suddenly appear out of nowhere?

    If you would be willing to be pulled out of your car and beaten to death, or into severe injury, which has happened on many occasions, (see Reginald Denny), that says a lot about you.

    Great points.

  147. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @jack daniels

    Given the generally violent scene and Antifa people with clubs around the question arises whether anyone was threatening Fields or pounding on his car before he took off toward the place were Heyer was marching.

    Why would any actually pounding on his car be required to create conditions of justifiable self defense? He was confronted with an overwhelming number of violent, angry thugs. A thicket of them in front of his view.

  148. @cassandra

    Thanks, but from the other side of the Atlantic I do not have the illusion of being able to find the facts.
    The case is interesting for me because of all the fuss and hysteria around it.
    Beyond my comprehension how in such an atmosphere there can be a fair trial, even in the Netherlands hysteria has influence on trials, up to convictions of innocent people.
    But how where there is a jury deciding on guilt or not, there now can be fair trial, impossible, in my opinion.
    The innocent conviction, in the Netherlands one can always appeal.
    In the case I’m thinking of, just detectives with so much pressure that the not too intelligent woman just signed, could no longer stand it.
    She got money, but for me this hardly is a compensation.

  149. crimson2 says:
    @Dube

    Reduce the emotion, C2, and let’s see what remains, if anything.

    A lot of Nazis in prison?

  150. crimson2 says:
    @Dannyboy

    We are going to get to you people and make you howl before all is said and done.

    YOU aren’t going to do shit. I mean, you’ll jerk off to anime at some point and make sweeping plans of a world takeover, but you’ll either continue to be basement-bound or you’ll die in a hail of police gunfire. Kinda hoping for the latter.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  151. crimson2 says:
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Unlike that fearless nog warrior crimson2. Drink you a big ol glass of stfu, nog, or else just stfu. The good news is, either way, that fearless nog warrior crimson2 gets to stfu.

    Some real intellectual heft undergirding this little Nazi movement at Unz.

    It’s gonna be hard to preserve the master race when the only place your seed ends up is covering your Nanna’s My Pillow ™.

  152. KenH says:
    @James Forrestal

    And here’s Mr. Louisville slugger on the follow through:

  153. fnn says:
    @Anonymous

    And by the way, why are his brake lights on in the photo you posted?

    He was only going 25 mph at the time of the collision. Not a very determined “terrorist.”

    • Replies: @Hail
  154. @niceland

    When he rams into the crowd his car is intact. Only after the horrific collision is his car beaten with bats by guys that obviously were right there – in the very crowd he ran into. Honestly can you blame them?

    no, someone hit the left rear of his car with a bat or stick before he had done anything

    why had they already decided that he was the enemy?

    and after he hit the car in front of him, rather than being shocked they were all ready to attack him and did so

    • Replies: @eah
    , @crimson2
  155. @Jro

    That this quote:
    “The deceased, and local favorite: the Newport smoking, morbidly obese, black-uniformed, Antifa-loving, leftist radical Heather Heyer.”

    seems to be accurate

    why does it hurt your feelings?

  156. S says:
    @Durruti

    I said what I said with a solid awareness that the world and humanity as a whole had in 1776 and 1789, and does have at present in 2018, many severe problems between peoples, and between men and women, that need working on. And that there’s plenty of responsibility to share for the present sad shape of things.

    I used the terms Capitalism and Communism liberally in my previous post as people in places such as the ‘sister republics’ of the United States and France sometimes forget the exact ideological origins/nature of their respective ‘sister’ revolutions, the former with its artificial hyper-individualism, the latter with its artificial hyper-collectivism.

    Indeed, there seems to be almost something like historical embarrassment in this area at times, though to be sure I think there are likely additional reasons besides.

    Some might not wish these matters looked at too closely today as it ‘complicates’ things.

    As an example, regarding the nascent US flag of 1776, the ‘Grand Union’, and its being identical to the multinational corporation British East India Company flag, when it’s addressed at all (generally it’s not) it’s something along the lines of ‘by remarkable coincidence’ the Grand Union flag as designed ‘looked a lot like’ the East India Company flag.

    It’s as if we’re supposed to believe the founding revolutionary elite of the United States were all a bunch of country bumpkins rather than the quite sophisticated individuals a great many of them actually were, who had no awareness of the two flags being identical.

    It was, it should be said, a belief in souless Capitalism that led to the rape of the land, practically wiped out the buffallo, the ‘Indian’ tribes largely too, and is in the process at present of genociding by ‘mixing’ what remains of the organic identity of the people of the United States, Western Europe, and much of the remainder of the world as well.

    Not dissimilarly regarding the French Revolution of 1789, with its Commune, ‘counter-revolutionarys’, political commissars (commissaire politique), and mass arrests and executions, etc, there seems also to be ‘embarrassment’, ie a loathness to admit, that this was the template for what evolved into the closely paralleling [to Capitalism] and equally souless Communism of the Soviet Union and Red China (and let’s not forget Cambodia), and their associated murders of tens of millions.

    This I submit has been from the beginning a manufactured, contrived, and faux Hegelian Dialectic of thesis (1776 – Capitalism), anti-thesis (1789 – Communism), and synthesis (present and into the future – global Multi-Culturalism).

    However, you add the zero of Capitalism and the zero of Communism, and you still get zero with Multi-Culturalism.

    People as individuals, and as part of larger peoples, ie as living entities, are not meant to be souless automatons to be programmed, manipulated, coerced, and forced into an anti-life, artificial, and hatred driven dialectic and paradigm.

    As stated, the world does have many problems that need working on, but not in this way…ie as it is being conducted under cover of what amounts to a gigantic deception by playing both ‘sides’ of this manufactured dialectic – thoroughly corrupting those doing so – and thereby entering into the realm of the Big Lie, is ‘empire’ seeking (see the link below regarding the ‘New Rome’) in a quest for total world power, has wage slavery (ie chattel slavery and its trade monetized via the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system) as its economic and political basis, utilizes massive amounts of violence, ie WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea, Antifa, etc and is hatred driven which this faux dialectic’s promoters project upon everyone else.

    Regarding hatred, simply politely and in a civil manner (as one should always do and be) question certain of the tenants of multi-culturalism with a believer in that ideology, and then you’ll see some real hatred.

    All this can be said without it absurdly (as part of a false dichotomy) ipso facto making one a ‘Hater!’TM, a ‘Fascist’!TM, Nazi!TM, or, an ‘Anti-Semite!’TM, etc.

    I can only suppose that there are plenty of others besides myself who would be plenty content with a small non-empire seeking, non-slavery based, non-multicultural freedom of association allowing, even US style in certain ways, republic, that actually represented the interest of its citizens.

    As it stands, as part of the ‘synthesis’ of this contrived dialectic, the world appears ever more likely to be on the cusp of WWIII and billions of people may very well die.

    And what then?

    A ‘perfect’ world state is to be ushered in?

    A glorious and in theory democratic global republic, the United States of the World/World Union perhaps?

    If achieved, it would be naive to think that those elites and hangers on of the various peoples involved, who have historically for hundreds of years now utilized on a grand scale, deception, fraud, theft, violence, slavery, and mass murder to achieve this end, would change their spots, or, even be able to.

    And where will people run to then?

    Anyhow..

    The ‘cure’ for the world’s ills that’s been offered to the peoples of the world and to mankind as a whole since 1776 and 1789, with this manufactured and contrived dialectic, is worse than the ‘disease’.

    It’s literally killing us.

    ‘The defection of Marseilles soon produced that of Lyons. This important city became the central point of the counter revolution in the South…’

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/revolution_and_counter_revolution

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_commissar

    • Replies: @Durruti
  157. As an example, regarding the nascent US flag of 1776, the ‘Grand Union’, and its being identical to the multinational corporation British East India Company flag, when it’s addressed at all (generally it’s not) it’s something along the lines of ‘by remarkable coincidence’ the Grand Union flag as designed ‘looked a lot like’ the East India Company flag.

    and this was owned and run not by British but by a certain 2% or 1% per usual….

    • Replies: @S
  158. eah says:

    Prosecution witnesses are apparently being coached — they all use the word “joyful” to describe the “anti-protestors” aka the unruly antifa mob.

  159. eah says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    Antifa prof Dwayne Dixon admits brandishing an assault rifle at Fields.

  160. MarkinLA says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    That pussy professor admitted to assault with a deadly weapon. He should be in trial as well.

    • Replies: @eah
  161. @follyofwar

    When I made my comment yesterday I didn’t know that Favre had apologized. If he didn’t understand the hidden meaning of what he was reading, yet put it out there for the world to see, then perhaps he should have had a proof reader. At least he gave the $500 to charity. As I said, maybe too many concussions.

  162. S says:
    @MB

    ..Antifa and Black Lies Matter are basically salt and pepper versions of the Red Guard.

    True that.

    As an aside, but related, many are not aware or have forgotten, that circa 1970 the same tactic those groups use now to extra-judicially neutralize the police, by literally surrounding them as they do their work with picture takers, was used then, almost fifty years ago.

    Of course, as the technology was different, it would be persons with Polaroids, Kodaks, and super 8 movie cameras rather than the cell phone cameras of today.

    But the desired effect was achieved, even so, to make the police hesitant and to second guess themselves about doing their (in general) lawful duties, while allowing ‘activists’ a much freer hand to engage in what was often not so lawful activity.

    Same forces at work.

    Same corporate media as today giving a ‘green light’ to these ‘demonstraters’ with favorable coverage.

  163. Durruti says:
    @S

    “I used the terms Capitalism and Communism liberally in my previous post as people in places such as the ‘sister republics’ of the United States and France sometimes forget the exact ideological origins/nature of their respective ‘sister’ revolutions, the former with its artificial hyper-individualism, the latter with its artificial hyper-collectivism.”

    Let’s parse:

    “I”… “sometimes forget the exact ideological origins/nature of their respective ‘sister’ revolutions”

    My point: My major critique of your first post.

    “I said what I said with a solid awareness that the world and humanity as a whole had in 1776 and 1789, and does have at present in 2018, many severe problems between peoples, and between men and women, that need working on.”

    OK! Ice cream tastes great. Elvis had a great voice.

    “However, you add the zero of Capitalism and the zero of Communism, and you still get zero with Multi-Culturalism.”

    Hmm! Are any of these 3 zeros? All are complete failures? Or is your point unclear?

    You might try to have a friend proofread (for understanding & context) your comments. When I write seriously, (not for this forum), I usually have a love one (or anyone), proofread.

    It is helpful for we citizens – as sometimes we have too many brilliant thoughts and cannot find a way to express them so that others understand. A good critique sometimes forces us to improve.

    The conscious efforts to confuse the people – by way of imprecise use of language (on the part of government and controlled Media), is a terrible weapon against American Citizens’ need to understand, and move forward. One example of this misuse of language is, the use of the term “anti-Semite” to mean any criticism of Zionism, and, or, Jews, (the overwhelming majority of whom are not Semites -peoples of the Middle East). The actual anti-Semites are the Zionist Oligarchs and their in-tow Jews, who ethnically cleanse Palestinians, and make war against, and denigrate all the Arab (Semitic) peoples.

    This was your conclusion:

    “As it stands, as part of the ‘synthesis’ of this contrived dialectic, the world appears ever more likely to be on the cusp of WWIII and billions of people may very well die.”

    You should have ended here, – to begin next time with a suggestion of where (and How), we may go from here to avoid this horrifying threat.

    As American Patriots: we must

    Restore our Republic, that was destroyed (in a hail of gunfire), on November 22, 1963, along with our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy

    • Replies: @S
  164. cassandra says:
    @KenH

    But like all leftists you’re going to take liberties with the actual facts and infer malign intent because you don’t like James Field’s politics.

    All leftists? Pity; you had been making so much sense….

    Consider the ACLU: it initially supported the UTR rally, but under Antifa pressure withdrew its traditional support of Constitutional free speech. After 90 years of keeping faith with ts demanding charter, the ACLU lost its raison d’etre as a radical supporter of Constitutional rights. Did those who had joined the ACLU suddenly drop their principles as well? And did all left supporters of Constitutional radicalism suddenly shift as well? You do stalwart leftists who were horrified by this shift a disservice.

    In fairness to the ACLU and other organizations coming under exceptional political pressures, it’s difficult to defend a Constitution when city officials and police officers entrusted to its implementation fail to enforce it. This has led to a wholesale breakdown of “law and order”, where demonstrators are treated unequally. Really, this official negligence is the elephant in the political room. The situational crisis has its origins not in a political divide, but in elite ineptitude/corruption failing to guarantee lawful behavior and enforcement thereof.

    I agree with your, “infer malign intent because you don’t like James Field’s politics”, but the political bias of the trial, and acceptance of this premise, should be no surprise. The justice system it claims to uphold is governed by the same system as the one that neglected peacekeeping responsibility and engaged in biased enforcement during and after the UTR demonstration. The fact that our institutions are collapsing at the mechanistic level deserves closer inspection. (The bureaucratic bias here is unnervingly similar to that exposed in the behavior and attitudes of the FBI.)

    Instead of ascribing speculative motives to the left, you might be better off pondering the ancient question, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Rabbinical Rube
  165. S says:
    @densa

    We will all suffer as our country is destroyed, but those gleefully helping bring it about apparently believe the consequences will not apply to them as well.

    Quite true. They don’t seem to have thought it out. (Of course that’s provided they do any thinking. ;-) )

  166. fnn says:

    By now, even the dumbest Antifa knows DOJ/FBI is on their side.

    • Replies: @S
  167. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Bragadocious

    That video is ridiculously sped up. Either that or the people in it are faster than the Flash.

  168. @crimson2

    Apparently YOU are too stupid to watch a video, or have selective vision. All the video I have seen show his car being attacked by at least two “protesters” with sticks/bats before the incident. Not to mention the admission of that phaggy commie professor “chasing Fields away with a rifle” right before. Either you are blind or a liar.

  169. @Wizard of Oz

    And you call yourself “Wizard of Oz”? Use your noggin Zardoz.

  170. DL42 says:
    @anonymous

    The usual suspects decided he shouldn’t have a proper defense, and banned any online crowdfunding attempts.

  171. eah says:

    Dixon encouraging antifa scum “counter-protestors” to be “joyful”.

  172. eah says:
    @MarkinLA

    He runs away like a girl and calls police when confronted about his possession/use of a weapon that day.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  173. Dannyboy says:
    @crimson2

    Sounds pretty much like what kikes in Germany and Leftist filth in Spain were mouthing right before they ended up in ditches.

    It’s gonna be a real hoot disposing of trash like you.

    • Troll: JLK
    • Replies: @crimson2
  174. MarkinLA says:
    @eah

    I wonder if Fields can file charges against him? That would go a log way toward getting this POS fired.

  175. crimson2 says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    no, someone hit the left rear of his car with a bat or stick before he had done anything

    why had they already decided that he was the enemy?

    Because he was speeding toward a crowd of people?

    He’s guilty and the arguments in this thread are so fucking terrible even his desperate defense won’t touch them.

    Seriously, are you going to break down in tears when your boy is convicted?

    • Replies: @anon
  176. crimson2 says:
    @Dannyboy

    Nazis ended up killing their own children last time, and they actually had an army. Now you have a group of twenty fellow virgins–and probably four of them are feds.

    At least you won’t have to kill your own kids since you’ll probably never get laid. Baby steps.

    • Replies: @Dannyboy
  177. KenH says:
    @cassandra

    All leftists? Pity; you had been making so much sense….

    Most of the heavies on the left have convicted James Fields already. So if not all leftists then who on the left is treating this case objectively and dispassionately instead of with the usual lynch mob mentality one sees on MSNBC and CNN?

    To be fair, former AG Jeff Sessions, who’s supposedly a conservative, labeled James Fields a duh-mestic tearist in the immediate wake of the incident when he should have remained neutral until all the facts were known. The presumption of innocence clearly doesn’t apply to wrong thinking whites.

    • Replies: @niceland
  178. Dannyboy says:
    @crimson2

    Well that’s great stuff for SNL and the like, but the reality is your lies are slowly being brought down. Let’s face it, you ladies blew a gasket when Trump was elected..lol

    Our people still do the work to keep this country going. When we decide we’ve had enough, YOU and your kind are going to have an epiphany.

  179. niceland says:
    @KenH

    So if not all leftists then who on the left is treating this case objectively and dispassionately instead of with the usual lynch mob mentality one sees on MSNBC and CNN?

    Objectively?
    I live thousands of miles away in a different country and I have no horse in this race. Few minutes on youtube show me why this guy is being charged with serious crimes. Nothing strange about it after what he did. Same thing would happen all over the world. The excuses put forth in the article and comments here are not convincing at all.

    In marches and protests this is frequently a problem. Few, even one bad apple ruin everything for the rest. Like this guy did, whatever moral high ground or public support the UTR had went down the drain when he rammed his car into a crowd of people. It sucks I know but grasping straws and denying what he did doesn’t help the situation in any way.

    If I understand correctly – this march was in part about white supremacy. In my view this is not how it works and neither how it’s done.

  180. S says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    and this was owned and run not by British but by a certain 2% or 1% per usual….

    Regarding the British East India Company circa 1776, not saying that’s not the case, don’t know, but do you have a source regarding that by chance?

    I’m familiar with The Great Red Dragon book of 1890 but it doesn’t go into detail regarding its claims.

  181. S says:
    @Durruti

    Hmmm…I have quite a good grasp of what both Capitalism and Communism are and meant what I wrote as written.

    It seems we have a simple difference of belief on the subject, and that’s cool.

    One difference would seem to be that you take seriously and believe the whole Capitalist/Communist, Conservative/Liberal, Left/Right paradigm of the past two hundred plus years, seeing it as viable (combined with a not too good of an understanding of what all that exactly is) whereas I don’t take it seriously, nor believe, or see it as viable, and only see it as a somewhat vague at times descriptor of people’s beliefs that many choose to go by.

    As stated, that’s cool.

    We’ll just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

  182. S says:
    @densa

    You know, regarding the ‘Four Olds’ of ‘old customs, old culture, old habits and old ideas,’ that the Red Guards went after in China, I could very well see an officially sanctioned Antifa doing the very same in the United States; ie destroying ‘old’ books, changing ‘old’ street names, destroying museums, burning down prominent ‘old’ churches, invading ‘old’ grave yards, toppling the grave stones, and literally digging up corpses and exposing them to humiliation.

    Would they be ‘officially allowed’ to go so far as to desecrate the graves of founding revolutionary elite such as George Washington, Ben Franklin, and John Hancock in such a way…or as a sop be only ‘allowed’ to do so to the graves of ‘renegade’ Southern Confederacy elites such as Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee?

    The latter might be the more likely scenario.

    And wasn’t it, in a much broader and destructive sense, going after the ‘Four Olds’ of Germany when the Capitalist United States fire bombed and destroyed the German art city of Dresden in early 1945?

    And not dissimilarly in the US army’s standing down and deliberately allowing the wanton looting of Iraq’s antiquities in Baghdad after Saddam Hussein’s fall?

    Within this manufactured and contrived dialectic of Capitalism and Communism that’s been in place since 1776 and 1789, a major aspect of it has been the destruction of people’s organic identity, to make way for the planned world state.

    The statue destruction we’ve seen in the United States, is for the promoters of this faux dialectic, likely just the beginning of what they intend to do.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  183. @S

    What do you want? Progress from the times of Pharaohs with broken noses?

  184. Blindlight says: • Website

    Any narrative that doen’t bring up the likely possibility that the car attack was staged and a stunt driver substituted for Fields who was the designated patsy helps the Deep State.
    Our side seems to prefer the OCT (probably because many of the alt-right leaders were accomplices in the charade)
    The fact is, the Deep State controls everything including the media and will spin it how they want and the American ppl , told to clap on command, will clap on command except our group which has become the new Osama Bin Laden clan

  185. S says:
    @fnn

    By now, even the dumbest Antifa knows DOJ/FBI is on their side.

    One would think, but then self-delusion can run very strong.

    Some, such as the hard core Red Guards of China, the Old Bolsheviks of Russia, or Calif Rep Leo Ryan along with many hundreds of others at Jonestown, ‘didn’t get the memo’, and will believe right up until the very end, and then some.

    And though it pains me to say it, the flag wavers who openly and proudly proclaim themselves ‘Capitalists’ on the AM radio talk shows, are operating under a not dissimilar self-delusion as the Antifa people who call themselves ‘Communists’.

    How that anyone can still believe in the Capitalist/Communist, Left/Right, conservative/liberal paradigm with what’s known now defys logic. WWII by itself, where supposed arch enemies the Capitalist US and Communist Russia figuratively embraced and openly joined forces should of been enough to strongly discourage belief in the faux paradigm.

    I believed in it at one time too, though.

    The power of the Big Lie one can only suppose.

    Such a big lie, who could believe that it exist?

    As for the Antifa people, my guess is that should a planned economic collapse of the US take place as some think (ie a loudly proclaimed ‘Fall of Capitalism’) the Antifa types will be allowed to play out a Red October 2.0 type of event, very possibly followed by a Russian Civil War like scenario mixed with Red Guard style ‘Cultural Revolution’.

    The ultimate aim (should all that take place) would perhaps be the creation of something like China at present with its heavy mix of Capitalism and Communism, the bulk of the surviving future US population reduced to being an internationally mobile force of unskilled and skilled wage slaves, ‘paid’ ten cents to a dollar an hour instead of the twenty or twenty-five dollars or more the labor would in reality be worth, and sans the benefit and comfort the Chinese at least have at present of ethnicity and a geographic home.

    In such a scenario what they are promoting today regarding the acceptance of ‘mass immigration’ will have become true..

    We’re all immigrants now.

    The rank and file Antifa may well join up in droves a renamed NSA, manifesting as a Stasi like organization, as over grown hall monitors to keep a close eye on potential ‘Fascist!TM’ amongst the public, ie most everyone who doesn’t believe just as they do, a lot of people, perhaps most.

    Got to keep a close watch over even their own fellow Antifa don’t you know.

    The hardcore Antifa, who might not understand the still large chunks of at times all too often dominating Capitalism mixed in with the Communism, and might even ‘peek behind the curtain’ and see signs of the ‘money power’ and or ‘plutocracy’ behind the scenes running the show, and who might therefore choose to persist in continuing ‘the fight’ for pure Communism, well their fate may well be that of their brethren in late 1960′s China.

    If they’re really lucky they might merely be sent to a ‘re-education’/hard labor camp for a few years. ;-)

    ‘At the same time the PLA carried out mass executions of Red Guards in Guangxi province…Mao, the Chairman informed them gently of the end of the [Red Guard] movement with a tear in his eye..’

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards

  186. fnn says:
    @niceland

    I live thousands of miles away in a different country and I have no horse in this race. Few minutes on youtube show me why this guy is being charged with serious crimes. Nothing strange about it after what he did. Same thing would happen all over the world.

    As if it’s that unusual a thing for a pedestrian to be struck and killed by a motor vehicle. Keep in mind that this is a small town without significant public transit and a “state of emergency” was declared. The motorist was attempting to comply with orders of the Governor of Virginia, but found ways of egress blocked at several points by angry and hostile protestors who were disobeying the Guv’s orders and illegally walking in the street. His vehicle was attacked at least twice briefly before the collision, and the car was only traveling at 25 mph at the moment of impact.

    If I understand correctly – this march was in part about white supremacy. In my view this is not how it works and neither how it’s done.

    I don’t fully understand what you’re trying to say, but my impression is that the main point of the aborted rally was to protest the impending removal of the statue of Gen. Robert Lee that had stood at what was to be the rally site for about 100 years.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  187. @Ricky Spanish

    Was Fields a “hate mongering criminal”, or revolutionary patriot?

    Also, how do I post images, is this going through?

  188. JLK says:

    I don’t fully understand what you’re trying to say, but my impression is that the main point of the aborted rally was to protest the impending removal of the statue of Gen. Robert Lee that had stood at what was to be the rally site for about 100 years.

    There is a lesson to be learned here about having a movement’s credibility destroyed by allowing extremists into the fold.

    • Replies: @fnn
  189. fnn says:
    @JLK

    The Right is not allowed to allowed to deny anyone access to a public event. Clearly however , the Left ( e.g., Antifa) *is* allowed to do so, proving that they are auxiliary paramilitary of the deep state/permanent government. See Moldbug for copious details.

  190. @Blindlight

    100% correct. Finally a commenter with a brain. Notice how the chumps have been herded by the “alt-right” agents provacatuers into assuming Fields did it and supporting the bogus “self defense” theory, so easily slapped down by professional disinformation agents like “niceland”. Notice how ” niceland” simply ignores my reply to him asking why didn’t the Challengers airbags deploy, or to account for the two vehicles, unoccupied with engines off bumper to bumper blocking the street at the intersection of 4th and Water( maroon minivan and white sedan with black top). How the Challenger reversing at high speed up the street is so obviously a highly skilled professional stunt driver. Wake up people you are being led by your idiotic contard nose!!!!

    • Replies: @niceland
  191. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    Seriously, are you going to break down in tears when your boy is convicted?

    he’s a jew, that makes him your boy

  192. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @niceland

    If I understand correctly – this march was in part about white supremacy.

    thats what the media would like you to believe

  193. @niceland

    “If I understand correctly – this march was in part about white supremacy. ”

    You don’t understand correctly. Do some more reading before you continue making a fool of yourself.

    • Replies: @niceland
  194. niceland says:
    @Bombercommand

    i) Why didn’t the air bags deploy? What first comes to mind is -why would they deploy? This wasn’t a “hard” collision for what appears to be 4000lb car. It pushed the other vehicles a bit reducing the negative acceleration picked up by the sensor(s) controlling the air bag system. Granted I am not familiar with this car nor it’s air bag system but judging by my own experience and observations I am not surprised the air bags didn’t deploy. If there is something suspicious about this I am sure you can put forth data to back up your perspective.

    ii) The other two cars – I don’t know, perhaps they were simply stuck in “traffic” from the crowd or belonged to some members of the crowd or whatever. Videos from the incident show wast crowd of people in front of these cars totally blocking their path.

    iii) Car reversing in high speed indicating professional driver – In my view it was well done but nothing exceptional. Judging by his choice of car Mr. Fields might be a car guy and experienced and capable driver.

    iv)As for your overall theory there isn’t much to discuss until you put forth some supporting evidence!?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  195. @jilles dykstra

    As far as I understand, anyone with a job or business of some importance can avoid becoming a juror.

    And anyone in the jury pool who demonstrates, during jury selection, that he knows a fact from a fig newton will be dismissed by peremptory challenge from one side or the other. Happened to me on a murder case.

  196. niceland says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    It brings joy to my heart to learn the Charlottesville march by the UTR was not about white supremacy. Because there was nothing supreme about it whatsoever. My viking ancestors who crossed the north Atlantic and settled our cold rock on the very edge of the hospitable world would be spinning in their graves if they learned about the incompetence, stupidity and lack of valor displayed in Charlottesville on behalf of the white race. Thankfully – according to you this is of no concern because it didn’t happen.

    Since this article is about the state of mind of one Mr Field – Why was he present, was he trying to unite the right or did he drive all night from Ohio to Charlottesville because he was history buff and concerned with the legacy of Robert Lee?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  197. There are filthy liars on this thread.
    A five minutes ago CNN did show the moment of the impact.
    There were two cars stuck together going. The second car was pushing the first car.
    The first car had his trunk totally pushed in.
    Field is absolutely not guilty.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  198. @niceland

    “My viking ancestors who crossed the north Atlantic and settled our cold rock on the very edge of the hospitable world would be spinning in their graves if they learned about the incompetence, stupidity and lack of valor displayed in Charlottesville on behalf of the white race.”

    As would mine, but that isn’t the issue I addressed.

    “Thankfully – according to you this is of no concern because it didn’t happen. ”

    Straw man. Read the following carefully: There is no white supremacy movement in the United States. The loosely defined idea of the so-called “alt-right” is about United States Americans of European ancestry coming to the realization that their heritage and history are being criminalized and distorted while their right to associate freely has been all but eliminated. This “movement” for lack of a better term, does not wish to reign supreme over any other ethnic or racial group, it wishes to simply to secure for itself a place that people of European ancestry can live in peace free of the degenerate, parasitic, globalist coalition of African, Asian, mestizo etc, etc, hordes that feel they not only have a right to access whites and their productivity, but to tell whites they are evil for not readily and happily turning over their wealth and produce to those same groups of leeches.

    With that said, I wish the Chinese, and the Africans, and the Muslims, and the mestizos all the best, AFTER they return to their own countries. If that is your definition of supremacy, then you need to file a lawsuit against your country’s educational system for gross negligence.

    “Since this article is about the state of mind of one Mr Field – Why was he present, was he trying to unite the right or did he drive all night from Ohio to Charlottesville because he was history buff and concerned with the legacy of Robert Lee?”

    The article is about the trial of Fields and its relation to the injustices already applied in other trials related to the UTR event. If you truly want to know why he was present, I suggest you send him a letter while he sits in prison. I’m not a mind reader.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  199. @niceland

    1) Airbags. Niceland, you position appears to be that the collision was too light to trigger the airbags, but you offer only subjective opinion for that. So what does the NHTSA have to say? Airbags are designed to deploy in a moderate to severe collision. Against a solid barrier a moderate collision is 8mph, a severe collision 14mph and higher. Against a parked car a moderate collision is 16mph, a severe collision 28mph and higher. The Challenger hit, barrier style, a parked sedan that was bumper to bumper with a parked minivan(this is confirmed by video taken of the two standing vehicles taken well before “the crowd” arrived). It would be safe to say the total mass of those two vehicles was equal to or greater than the Challenger. I have watched the Challenger videos many times and it was moving fast, even considering the subjective distortion of the narrow street. The apologists for Fields, who seek to minimize how fast the Challenger was traveling, acknowledge it was moving at least 25mph. Even allowing that the Challenger slowed before impact, it is hardly an exaggeration to claim it hit the white sedan at 16mph, which would trigger the airbags. I have “put forth data to back up my perspective”, how about you? 2) The other two cars. There is video of the intersection of 4th and Water well before the incident. The maroon minivan is seen standing at the intersection blocking traffic on 4th no less than 15 minutes before “the crowd” arrives, and doesn’t move(interestingly the video catches the Challenger driving slowly on Water past the front of the minivan). Soon after, video picks up the white car with black top standing bumper to bumper with the minivan. Both vehicles have heavy tinted windows blacking out the interior and neither moves before, or after,the incident. After the collision no passengers emerge from the sedan or minivan, as would be reasonably expected, indicating there were no passengers. Your rationalizations about why these two vehicles were standing at the intersection are not supported by the video evidence.3) If you think reversing at that speed uphill on a narrow laneway straight as an arrow is “nothing exceptional”, you must be a nondriver. I am an excellent driver of 45 years experience and I would not dare. OK, differance of opinion, but I don’t take yours seriously. 4) You and I are discussing the supporting evidence, and I thank you, Niceland, for your courteous challenge, your move.

  200. fnn says:

    An hour-long discussion of the incident and the legal process that followed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEDy9Yj1FSg&feature=push-lbss&attr_tag=tvK_z6mBEtHtjYux%3A6

  201. fnn says:

    A philosophical discussion for the benefit of those who choose to focus on ideological questions rather than the facts of the facts of the case:

  202. KenH says:
    @niceland

    I live thousands of miles away in a different country

    In Israel???

    Few minutes on youtube show me why this guy is being charged with serious crimes.

    So “a few minutes on youtube” makes you an expert and has convinced you of an airtight case against James Fields? I wouldn’t want you on the jury.

    If I understand correctly – this march was in part about white supremacy

    Fake news and you fell for it because you’re a left wing political bigot. It was about protecting confederate monuments that are slated for removal but some attendees did speak out about the race replacement immigration policies that are making whites a minority in the nation their ancestors founded and built.

  203. Prusmc says:
    @Blindlight

    If A professional stunt driver was used sleeps with the fishes like the Seth Rich killer.

  204. @Rabbinical Rube

    I can almost hear the banjo playing: da da ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.

  205. crimson2 says:
    @Blindlight

    Any narrative that doen’t bring up the likely possibility that the car attack was staged and a stunt driver substituted for Fields who was the designated patsy helps the Deep State.

    I heard they took aliens from Area 51 and dressed them up as neo-Nazis and anyone who discounts my theory is just a tool of the Deep State and proof that I’m right.

  206. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Brilliant comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Should be immediately accepted as white people MANIFESTO.

  207. crimson2 says:
    @fnn

    the car was only traveling at 25 mph at the moment of impact.

    What? I had no idea. We really need to advertise this fact. I suggest that we line up a bunch of alt-right guys and drive a car over them at 25 mph just to show everyone how it’s no big deal.

    I volunteer to drive. Who wants to save the white race with me?

    • Replies: @fnn
  208. @Che Guava

    I am irritated by all of the false images of Heather Heyer.

    She was a fat sow.

    nothing wrong with that but it demonstrates once again the dishonesty of the (((media)))

    also, they are admitting that people would feel less sympathy for the real (300 lb) Heather Heyer by only showing the thinner version

  209. fnn says:
    @crimson2

    You’re the ones who are always blocking roadways and yelling, “WHOSE STREETS? OUR STREETS!” You really can’t expect to do that decade after decade without suffering an occasional casualty.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  210. brtanner says:

    I hope that SOMEONE out there was paying attention at the time of the Charlottesville psyop. Fields could not have been the driver of “the car.” Photos of the driver while backing show it clearly wasn’t him. Analysis of the photos posted supposedly showing the “ramming” provide proof that multiple takes of the “crash” were made. “Heather Heyer”s mother was a professional crisis actor, and I assume Heather was as well (did she really die?). The whole thing stinks on ice, and the truth has no way of being served by the persecution of Fields.

  211. @cassandra

    Consider the ACLU: it initially supported the UTR rally, but under Antifa pressure withdrew its traditional support of Constitutional free speech. After 90 years of keeping faith with ts demanding charter, the ACLU lost its raison d’etre as a radical supporter of Constitutional rights

    more likely it wasn’t antifa but the ACLU’s (((donors))) that decided they didn’t like Free Speech after all

  212. @jilles dykstra

    “It is not contested, as far as I understand, that the accused drove his car into a group of people deliberately.”
    That is an accurate description of the legacy media narrative.
    It is not an accurate description of the facts.

    Let’s review the major events of the day prior to the collision.

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/14/heres-how-the-virginia-state-police-provoked-violence-at-charlottesville/

    Major points:
    The peacefully-assembled nationalists were waiting in Lee Park for the lawfully-permitted rally to begin at its scheduled time of noon when Gov. McAuliffe declared the bogus “state of emergency” at 11:30 AM.
    This was immediately followed by a mass police assault on the lawfully-assembled nationalists at 11:42 AM.
    At the time of the initial police attack, the police controlled roads on the N, E, and W sides of the park. The street to the south of the park (Market St.) was filled with rioting antifa (no permit required, of course), but since access to the park was by 2 narrow stairways, the nationalists had been able to prevent this chaos from penetrating into the park itself up to this point. Law enforcement had made no attempt to keep the antifa attackers separate from the rally, of course. The police assault consisted of a line of close to 1000 police moving southward from the north end of the park with pepper spray, batons, and riot gear — deliberately forcing the nationalists out of the narrow access stairways at the south end of the park, into the antifa/ BLM ambush.

    There were no police on Market St — absolutely zero effort was made to contain rioting antifa/ BLM. The police involved in the initial attack then withdrew/ returned to Lee Park, leaving the nationalists to make their way out of area via a gauntlet of antifa/ BLM attacks with:
    – flamethrowers–clubs–pepper spray
    –various projectiles including bottles, sticks, rocks, and balloons filled with feces/ urine — the last is a typical antifa tactic when attacking/ suppressing political dissidents. At the time of his arrest, Fields’ shirt was noted to be saturated with urine from these attacks.

    Note that traffic collision involving Fields occurred at 1:42 PM — more than 2 hours after McAuliffe declared the bogus “state of emergency.” The excuse given for this declaration was that law enforcement had lost control of the rioting, and need to break up any public assemblies in order to regain control. Needless to say, this seems rather… odd, as law enforcement made zero effort to interfere with antifa rioting in the streets over the next couple of hours. During this period of time, the nationalists were making their way out of the city as best they could — while antifa and BLM attacked them and generally engaged in unimpeded rioting.

    Take a look at any of the photos of the scene immediately before and after the collision — masses of people blocking traffic/ rioting in defiance of the “unlawful assembly” order, but no law enforcement presence anywhere to be seen.

    Professor Dwayne Dixon (a known member of the terrorist group “antifa”) has confessed on video that he threatened Fields with a loaded rifle and “chased” him shortly before the collision. Dixon bragged about his attack on Fields on social media, too:

    Immediately prior to the collision, at least two of the rioters attacked Fields’ vehicle with clubs.http://i68.tinypic.com/34o7olg.png

    The legacy media narrative that has been universally promoted is that this was a premeditated terrorist attack. let’s take a little deeper look at that. In a typical “Allahu Akbar!” type of terrorist attack with a vehicle:

    –The attacker has a definite target in mind
    –He uses a heavy, tall/ high-profile vehicle (typically a box truck, or at least a full-size van)
    –He is not attacked or threatened by pedestrians prior to colliding with them
    –The vehicle is stolen, hijacked, or rented.
    –The attacker deliberately drives at high speed into a pedestrian area
    –He continues to pursue pedestrians until the vehicle is stuck/ no longer operable
    –After the vehicle comes to a stop, the attacker either attempts to escape, or jumps out and continues to attack pedestrians with a hand-held weapon.
    –Attacker does not show evidence of remorse.

    By contrast, Fields was:

    –Simply trying to find a clear path out of Charlottesville that would allow him to escape from antifa, who had already attacked him before he got to his car, chased him/ threatened him with loaded firearms while in the car, and attacked his vehicle with clubs when he slowed down.
    –Driving a passenger car that is relatively low to the ground, thus a poor choice for deliberately crushing pedestrians.
    –Attacked/ threatened by antifa multiple times prior to the collision. The mob was stopping traffic and attacking other cars as well.
    –Driving his own car.
    –Driving at speeds of 15-25 mph, in traffic lanes, just prior to the collision, and hit the brakes several times. He collided with the stopped traffic in front of him at low enough speed that the car’s airbags did not deploy.
    –Remained in the car, did not attempt to flee the scene, and appeared upset/ tearful.

    We know of Fields’ apparent mental state in the immediate aftermath of the collision (and some of the other details) in part because of Tweets from Taylor Lorenz, a “journalist” who was at the scene immediately after the accident. She works for The Atlantic and The Hill — neither of which is known as a whitesupreemistnazifascist publication, to say the least.

    She deleted this and other tweets about the aftermath of the collision once the legacy media false narrative of “muh deliberate terrorist attack” became clearer.

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/car-that-crashed-was-reportedly-being-swarmed-by-antifa-was-it-self-defense?

    Note that Lorenz was attacked at the scene — punched in the face, and had her phone knocked out of her had. By antifa, of course. Attacking anyone filming their crimes is a common antifa tactic, used both to limit any potential legal evidence, and to make it easier to establish and control the desired legacy media narrative.

    More context on Charlottesville and Fields:

    https://vdare.com/articles/charlottesville-after-a-year-repression-of-unite-the-right-rally-just-the-beginning-can-historic-america-nation-survive

    https://vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-charlottesville-hate-crime-prosecution-sarah-jeong-better-drive-carefully

    The Heaphy Report, an independent review of the Charlottesville events that was commissioned by the city government, concluded that Charlottesville government, the various law enforcement organizations involved, and the city and state attorneys were, at best, incompetent and negligent in their planning for and management of the situation. A more reasonable interpretation would be that they deliberately worked to facilitate antifa attacks on the nationalists.

    https://www.policefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf

    • Replies: @crimson2
  213. @Bucky

    Who was that 3rd person – you?

  214. niceland says:

    Yes the “counter protesters” were just as violent as the UTR members – your president was correct about that one. They were infuriated by the earlier KKK march in July, when the clan in robes and all marched and held speeches under heavy police protection. And yes, the police involvement, or lack there of is strange indeed. However reading the report cited in the article it’s clear the issue is complex mixture of many things. https://www.policefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf

    Kicking off the UTR event with the torch march on the Friday night was quite something. Thinking about symbolism and the earlier KKK march, I wonder what the message was? In any case if there was any hope of further infuriating counter protesters and prohibit wide public support – this was as good as it gets. In my book this doesn’t quite match the honest and modest wish for the right to assemble and exercise the right of free speech. This was something else.

    What I find remarkable is the idea that marches like this can really change anything. In the end the U.S. has sizable police force and various forces under government control armed to the teeth including endless lines of three letter agencies – it will use to crush violent protests if they will – like a bug. The only chance anti immigration groups have is by rallying massive public support and strong financial backers. Fridays torch march was like a big stop sign in this regard.

    The horrible and sad incident when one Mr. Fields rammed his car into a crowd was the nail in the coffin. The only way out of that one was denouncing him right away, giving public statements – not in our name etc – but this wasn’t the case. On the contrary he was defended and excused – at least by some “leaders” of the “alt-right” groups. Gigantic P.R. mistake if the alt-right wanted to accomplish anything in the public arena. Apparently it didn’t. Instead it offered it’s head on a silver platter to the MSM. And the MSM didn’t fall out of the skies yesterday, it’s function should be well understood by the alt-right leaders of all people.

  215. JLK says:

    “UTR” was a bad idea in the first place for the grey-haired people protesting removal of Robert E. Lee statues. Like inviting Pol Pot to a Bernie Sanders rally.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  216. crimson2 says:
    @fnn

    How many of you brain-dead rednecks has to be put away before you realize that you’re unwanted here? Go to Russia or Hungary or some other white paradise.

    • Replies: @fnn
  217. crimson2 says:
    @James Forrestal

    @jilles dykstra

    “It is not contested, as far as I understand, that the accused drove his car into a group of people deliberately.”
    That is an accurate description of the legacy media narrative.
    It is not an accurate description of the facts.

    Let’s review the major events of the day prior to the collision.

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/14/heres-how-the-virginia-state-police-provoked-violence-at-charlottesville/

    [MORE]

    Major points:
    The peacefully-assembled nationalists were waiting in Lee Park for the lawfully-permitted rally to begin at its scheduled time of noon when Gov. McAuliffe declared the bogus “state of emergency” at 11:30 AM.
    This was immediately followed by a mass police assault on the lawfully-assembled nationalists at 11:42 AM.
    At the time of the initial police attack, the police controlled roads on the N, E, and W sides of the park. The street to the south of the park (Market St.) was filled with rioting antifa (no permit required, of course), but since access to the park was by 2 narrow stairways, the nationalists had been able to prevent this chaos from penetrating into the park itself up to this point. Law enforcement had made no attempt to keep the antifa attackers separate from the rally, of course. The police assault consisted of a line of close to 1000 police moving southward from the north end of the park with pepper spray, batons, and riot gear — deliberately forcing the nationalists out of the narrow access stairways at the south end of the park, into the antifa/ BLM ambush.

    There were no police on Market St — absolutely zero effort was made to contain rioting antifa/ BLM. The police involved in the initial attack then withdrew/ returned to Lee Park, leaving the nationalists to make their way out of area via a gauntlet of antifa/ BLM attacks with:
    – flamethrowers–clubs–pepper spray
    –various projectiles including bottles, sticks, rocks, and balloons filled with feces/ urine — the last is a typical antifa tactic when attacking/ suppressing political dissidents. At the time of his arrest, Fields’ shirt was noted to be saturated with urine from these attacks.

    Note that traffic collision involving Fields occurred at 1:42 PM — more than 2 hours after McAuliffe declared the bogus “state of emergency.” The excuse given for this declaration was that law enforcement had lost control of the rioting, and need to break up any public assemblies in order to regain control. Needless to say, this seems rather… odd, as law enforcement made zero effort to interfere with antifa rioting in the streets over the next couple of hours. During this period of time, the nationalists were making their way out of the city as best they could — while antifa and BLM attacked them and generally engaged in unimpeded rioting.

    Take a look at any of the photos of the scene immediately before and after the collision — masses of people blocking traffic/ rioting in defiance of the “unlawful assembly” order, but no law enforcement presence anywhere to be seen.

    Professor Dwayne Dixon (a known member of the terrorist group “antifa”) has confessed on video that he threatened Fields with a loaded rifle and “chased” him shortly before the collision. Dixon bragged about his attack on Fields on social media, too:

    Immediately prior to the collision, at least two of the rioters attacked Fields’ vehicle with clubs.http://i68.tinypic.com/34o7olg.png

    The legacy media narrative that has been universally promoted is that this was a premeditated terrorist attack. let’s take a little deeper look at that. In a typical “Allahu Akbar!” type of terrorist attack with a vehicle:

    –The attacker has a definite target in mind
    –He uses a heavy, tall/ high-profile vehicle (typically a box truck, or at least a full-size van)
    –He is not attacked or threatened by pedestrians prior to colliding with them
    –The vehicle is stolen, hijacked, or rented.
    –The attacker deliberately drives at high speed into a pedestrian area
    –He continues to pursue pedestrians until the vehicle is stuck/ no longer operable
    –After the vehicle comes to a stop, the attacker either attempts to escape, or jumps out and continues to attack pedestrians with a hand-held weapon.
    –Attacker does not show evidence of remorse.

    By contrast, Fields was:

    –Simply trying to find a clear path out of Charlottesville that would allow him to escape from antifa, who had already attacked him before he got to his car, chased him/ threatened him with loaded firearms while in the car, and attacked his vehicle with clubs when he slowed down.
    –Driving a passenger car that is relatively low to the ground, thus a poor choice for deliberately crushing pedestrians.
    –Attacked/ threatened by antifa multiple times prior to the collision. The mob was stopping traffic and attacking other cars as well.
    –Driving his own car.
    –Driving at speeds of 15-25 mph, in traffic lanes, just prior to the collision, and hit the brakes several times. He collided with the stopped traffic in front of him at low enough speed that the car’s airbags did not deploy.
    –Remained in the car, did not attempt to flee the scene, and appeared upset/ tearful.

    We know of Fields’ apparent mental state in the immediate aftermath of the collision (and some of the other details) in part because of Tweets from Taylor Lorenz, a “journalist” who was at the scene immediately after the accident. She works for The Atlantic and The Hill — neither of which is known as a whitesupreemistnazifascist publication, to say the least.

    She deleted this and other tweets about the aftermath of the collision once the legacy media false narrative of “muh deliberate terrorist attack” became clearer.

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/car-that-crashed-was-reportedly-being-swarmed-by-antifa-was-it-self-defense?

    Note that Lorenz was attacked at the scene — punched in the face, and had her phone knocked out of her had. By antifa, of course. Attacking anyone filming their crimes is a common antifa tactic, used both to limit any potential legal evidence, and to make it easier to establish and control the desired legacy media narrative.

    More context on Charlottesville and Fields:

    https://vdare.com/articles/charlottesville-after-a-year-repression-of-unite-the-right-rally-just-the-beginning-can-historic-america-nation-survive

    https://vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-charlottesville-hate-crime-prosecution-sarah-jeong-better-drive-carefully

    The Heaphy Report, an independent review of the Charlottesville events that was commissioned by the city government, concluded that Charlottesville government, the various law enforcement organizations involved, and the city and state attorneys were, at best, incompetent and negligent in their planning for and management of the situation. A more reasonable interpretation would be that they deliberately worked to facilitate antifa attacks on the nationalists.

    https://www.policefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf

    No.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  218. fnn says:
    @crimson2

    I’ve been living outside the US for 16 years.

  219. The defenses of Fields are lunacy. As usual, there are unanswered questions (such as why the van was parked at the intersection) but really no doubt whatsoever that Fields deliberately drove at killing speed into the crowd. He braked at the last moment, probably because he didn’t see the two cars blocking his path until the then, and before that thought he was just going to run through and over people. Nobody struck him with a “bat” until it was too late to matter. If the guy who claims to have threatened him with a gun (“military-grade assault rifle”? LOL!) actually did that, it was far too early to be relevant to Fields’ guilt. His airbags didn’t deploy? It’s a tricked out muscle car. Who says they were in working order? Heather Heyer can be seen directly in front of Fields’ car, over the roof, about 50′ up the street from where she ended up, and her “heart attack” consisted of a torn aorta associated with a severe contusion to her chest. She was struck and killed, and her obesity didn’t cause her death, as if that mattered. Etc.

    All sorts of government malfeasance and judicial scandal has been and is being directed at the UtR protesters. And a lot of lying, too. But Fields is guilty of murder and numerous vehicular assaults. Deal with it.

  220. MarkinLA says:
    @Gandydancer

    He is not guilty of first degree murder. At best he should be sanctioned by the International Whaling Commission for harvesting a whale without a tag while using the wrong harpoon type.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  221. @Gandydancer

    Heather Heyer was not struck by the Challenger, nor was she ever “directly in front of Fields’ car”. She was standing close to the left side of the unoccupied, engine off, white car with black top that stood bumper to bumper with the maroon minivan( also unoccupied with engine off). No vehicle or debris hit Heyer, but the emotional shock of the collision, aggravated by her poor health, did cause a heart attack. Note that it has not been established that Fields was at the wheel of the Challenger when it collided with the white car/maroon minivan combination.

    • Replies: @eah
  222. Hail says: • Website
    @Rich

    if an angry crowd is hunting people down with baseball bats

    Yes — the guilty parties in the unfortunate death of the morbidly obese individual in question are: Mayor Michael ‘Shalom’ Signer, primarily; secondarily, various individuals in the police department who ordered and carried out the “stand down.”

    One panicked individual in a car trying to flee cowardly Signer rioting mob but tragically getting caught in it, should not be charged with any crime.

    So Michael Signer is much more guilty than James Fields. If hate crime is a valid legal concept (and for this, there seems no doubt that Fields will be convicted), Rabbi Signer ought to be charged with Hatred of ethnonationalist Whites.

    _______________

    It is a shame that Mr. Conte did not mention Michael Signer in this writeup; the Mayor is guilty of both unconstitutional suppression of free speech and deliberately creating mob violence. No Signer, no Heather Heyer heart attack. I wonder if Signer has any sense of personal remorse over this. Unlikely.

    • Agree: eah
    • Replies: @Hail
  223. Hail says: • Website

    See also: Red Ice TV interview with an expert on the James Fields case [1h 30m], including many videos and pictures of the incident. It goes into a lot more depth than this 1,900-word article can for reasons of space.

  224. Hail says: • Website
    @S

    How many of the ’60s Red Guards were dangerously obese?

  225. Hail says: • Website
    @cassandra

    Note: “This video is unavailable.”

    ___________

    He actually drove his car into a white convertibe, and “deliberately” is actually THE point of contention in the trial. I do admit we’ve been given the impression that the story line is “not contested”.

    Yes. There seems no solid case that Fields deliberately aimed to injure or kill anyone, either in days/weeks before Unite the Right, or on the day of, or in the moments before the incident. A lot more plausible is panic as his car was getting smashed by Antifa baseball bats and threatened with guns (Greg Conte’s article’s lead graphic; this is the first I had heard of the gun threat).

    Fields should be found Not Guilty on these grounds, self defense or the like. He was trying to get out of town as Unite the Right collapsed following coward Mike Signer’s last-minute stab-in-the-back, “stand down” order.

    Surely if Fields had come to Charlottesville to kill Antifa members, he would have done a whole lot differently, and surely he would have “bagged” more than one (at that, the one that died was perhaps the most physically unhealthy Antifa member among the anti Unite the Right group that day; and she died of a heart attack). Just look at the kill counts for Muslim vehicular terror in Europe…

    • Replies: @cassandra
  226. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Michael Signer

    A little more on Signer:

    He and his wife Emily Blout are both Jewish. Their wedding announcement was published in the New York Times despite neither being from New York (Signer [born circa 1973] is from the Washington DC metro area; Blout [born circa 1984] is from the Boston area). The “Dictionary of American Family Names” gives Blout as an exclusively Jewish surname. Signer was covered favorably in the Jewish press in Israel for his crusade against White racialists.

    Neither Emily Blout nor Michael Signer have any apparent longstanding ties to Charlottesville. One would think the mayor of a city would have local roots, either personal or perhaps by marriage. Signer’s ties date back to his showing up as a young adult to get a JD at the University of Virginia likely some time in the 2000s, apparently after his PhD from Berkeley. As of 2012, he had strong ties to Washington, D.C., where he worked and presumably lived.

    Here is a snippet from his official mayoral bio — you know, those dry, ‘cookie cutter’ lists of life accomplishments:

    [Mayor Signer's accomplishments include] collaborating with Georgetown University to sue paramilitary organizations and individuals in the wake of the August 12 [2017] “Unite the Right” rally to prevent them from invading Charlottesville again

    This is rather unprofessional and undignified language from Mayor Signer; and — if I may say so — fascist rhetoric from Mayor Signer. “The right to peaceably assemble? Never! Run them out of town!”

    Mike ‘By Deception Make War’ Signer seems to be a lifelong Democratic Party activist of its left-wing, as does his wife. This is likely the way they met; Blout was working as a press secretary for a Virginia Democratic Congressman before the marriage to Signer. She was also a DC area resident at this time, studying at National Defense University. (IOW, these are Deep Staters or wannabe Deep Staters.)

    They were married in Charlottesville in 2012 and it is at this time that they may have become permanent residents of that city for the first time. A mere three years later, lifelong Democratic Party machine man Signer was elected to the city council (Nov. 2015), and appointed Mayor in Jan. 2016 by the city council. Unite the Right followed 18 months later.

    It is hard to imagine a figure so cowardly, so deceitfully malicious, as Mike Signer, the architect of the Charlottesville fiasco. May his name live in infamy.

  227. Hail says: • Website
    @Rich

    The police encouraged a riot, allowed armed groups to rampage through the streets, and in the midst of the mayhem, someone died. The police chief and mayor should be on trial for causing this death.

    Thank you; well stated.

    That mayor’s name: Michael Signer.

    Signer is guilty of illegal suppression of peaceful assembly. Guilty of (essentially, literal) incitement to racial-political violence. Responsible for the death of one obese individual, and arguably also guilty for the police helicopter crash that killed two officers — Why was a helicopter needed for a run-of-the-mill demonstration? The helicopter incident further goes to show that Charlottesville was entirely a political stunt by the coward Mayor Signer; whether others are involved, as Greg Conte speculates, we don’t know. But we do know Signer’s direct role.

    As they used to say about Seth Rich: “His name is Michael Signer.” Let it not be forgotten or dumbed-down to “the mayor.”

    It’s a shame that Signer is Deep State, and it’s a shame that the Donald ‘Do Nothing’ Trump’s Justice Department is asleep at the switch (i.e., “Voted for Trump; got Jeb”). A prosecution of Michael Signer for illegal suppression of free speech could, in principle, be in the jurisdiction of the U.S. Justice Department, if it were actually in populist-nationalist hands.

  228. eah says:
    @Bombercommand

    Heather Heyer was not struck by the Challenger

    Previously I did not think so either because there was no convincing evidence that she was — but we must be careful/circumspect here — more claims re her injuries came out in the trial:

    Updated: Fields Jury Hears Details of Heather Heyer’s Death

    Assistant Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Jennifer Bowers specified that Heyer’s autopsy report concluded her cause of death was blunt-force injury to the chest. That report also found that Heyer’s aorta artery split into two parts, that she suffered a distal femur fracture, abrasions and contusions on her lower extremity, and a pulmonary (lung) contusion from rib fractures.

    Distal means toward the knee — if she suffered a leg fracture, then it is hard to imagine how that could have happened other than via being struck by Fields’ car.

    Presumably the cause of death was the lacerated aorta — it is not clear if this was flatly stated in the trial.

    One can ask: how many others struck by Fields’ auto suffered thoracic injuries, let alone serious thoracic injuries? — yet the claim is that Heyer suffered fatal chest trauma.

    It is important to note: all of Heyer’s reported internal thoracic injuries can also be caused by chest compressions during CPR — especially compressions vigorous enough to create a detectable pulse in someone as obese as Heyer — the sternum and ribs can be broken, which in turn can lacerate internal organs, eg the lungs and liver, even the aorta — such injuries via CPR are common.

    CPR related thoracic injury: a comparison of CPR guidelines between 2005 and 2010

    Per the study above, in one group nearly 70% of patients who received CPR suffered rib fractures — and nearly 10% of those also suffered a pneumothorax, ie a punctured lung (due to broken rib bones lacerating lung tissue).

    IMO it is strange that it has taken so long for a full report of Heyer’s injuries to come out — personally, I do not find the claim that her death was due to “blunt-force injury to the chest” 100% convincing (“beyond a reasonable doubt”): I’m not aware of any other victims who suffered chest trauma (they suffered pelvic and leg injuries); all of her chest injuries can be incurred via vigorous CPR; there is no convincing video or photographic evidence, either of the crash or its aftermath, showing Heyer was hit by a car, or suffered massive, fatal trauma due to being hit by a car.

    I admit to being somewhat influenced by my general distrust of Charlottesville authorities.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Gandydancer
  229. fnn says:

    Don’t forget nominal Goy Gov. McAuliffe. He declared the bogus state of emergency to abort the rally and his Virginia State Police (in riot gear) then pushed the UTR rally-goers into the ranks of the Antifa- with predictable results . Then they stood down, just like the C-ville cops. McAuliffe also had National Guard on the scene-who also did nothing.

  230. @Anonymous

    That’s a dumb reply. Smoking is perhaps the single most serious risk factor for coronary artery disease and would be strictly counterindicated in anyone suffering from any heart condition. Nicotine is also a potent stimulant that can lead to cardiac arrhythmias, especially in those with weakened or abnormal hearts.

    Someone her age and condition dying of a sudden cardiac event, rather than outright MI, would more likely have suffered from dilated cardiomyopathy, which can be severely exacerbated by high blood pressure, an expected consequence of both obesity and smoking. She may have had any number of other structural abnormalities, all of which make chain smoking a spin of the revolver.

    She apparently died as the result of a cardiac event whether brought on by physical trauma or not. If she was, in fact, a chain smoker, there is little doubt that it would have sharply raised the chances of the event that ultimately killed her.

  231. @Dube

    On the zoomed portion, it looks like there are clearly hits coming from the right as well.

  232. KenH says:

    If we had a real president and a fair minded DOJ that applied the law equally instead of as a weapon against right of center and pro-white dissidents then Terry McCauliffe, the Charlottesville city council, specifically Jewish leftist Michael Signor and black panther vice mayor Wes Bellamy, state and local police brass and antifa and BLM would be facing charges of conspiring to deprive the UtR organizers of their Constitutional rights.

    In addition, “professor” Dwayne the dick Dixon and his rapist glasses would be facing ten or more years for making terroristic threats to James Fields and presumably others with his AR-15 that he wants to ban.

    We all know if a Republican controlled city treated left wing or black protestors in the manner that Charlottesville, VA, the outhouse of America, treated UtR rallygoers the DOJ would come down hard and ACLU and every Jewish law firm from coast to coast would be filing civil suits.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @crimson2
  233. cassandra says:
    @Hail

    Note: “This video is unavailable.”

    Wonderful; thanks for catching this. FWIW, the title was ” Ten Curious Facts about the Charlottesville Car Attack”

    SonOfNewo’s ENTIRE CHANNEL HAS JUST BEEN TAKEN DOWN FROM YOU TUBE, sometime between Dec. 1 when I posted that video, and viewed a few others, and Dec. 5 when you found the one I cited unavailable. If you type in SonofNewo into youtube’s search and click on his channel, you’ll get “This channel doesn’t have any content”, despite 10,084 subscribers. If you want to see the titles of the deleted videos, they pop up when you do a duckduckgo search of sonofnewo. I hesitate to post other similar videos, since it appears that citing them risks having them removed, which amounts to self-censorship on my part.

    American Pravda, Soviet-strength. SonOfNewo’s videos were meticulously factual, so it’s obvious that the only reason for taking them down was because they exposed facts that weakened the narrative.

    Fields should be found Not Guilty on these grounds, self defense or the like.

    Yes, 100%, from everything I’ve seen. I can’t see how he would not be in a just society. I can see no other interpretation, that a verdict against Fields will be an indictment against our justice system. It sickens me that our entire country is being turned into a kangaroo court.

    • Replies: @Hail
  234. cassandra says:
    @Gandydancer

    Youtube is censoring videos to get people to believe this, strongly suggesting that your narrative is bogus.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  235. @JLK

    “UTR” was a bad idea in the first place for the grey-haired people protesting removal of Robert E. Lee statues. Like inviting Pol Pot to a Bernie Sanders rally.

    i wonder about this too

    we don’t have to be “nazis” or “white supremacists” or anything like that to demand our govt do its job of enforcing the border and deporting all illegal aliens, visa overstayers, birthing tourists, etc

    maybe it was an intentional overplay by govt funded groups(??) -Spencer, DailyStormer, etc

    • Replies: @JLK
  236. JLK says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    maybe it was an intentional overplay by govt funded groups(??) -Spencer, DailyStormer, etc

    Ultimately, it doesn’t matter. Reject the Hobson’s choices and reserve your support for organizations and platforms without built-in straw men.

    They aren’t easy to find, which suggests a lot of the stinkers are subsidized trolls.

    • Replies: @anon
  237. Hail says: • Website
    @cassandra

    I tried looking around for it and found this playlist:

    Charlottesville Revisited Playlist, four videos, all set to [Private Video]. Found at user/SonofNewo/playlists.

    It is possible that it was not YouTube itself deleting/censoring the videos, but an intimidation campaign in which, e.g., an activist privately doxxed him or threatened to do so.

    ____________

    There is, maybe, a valuable lesson here: Text survives a lot better than video (the latter easier to “one-click obliterate”); in the event of very important content, transcribing the key portions to text can help extend the life of its message a lot. Most youtube videos now have reasonably accurate automatic transcripts, that despite need cleaning up will help the process.

    This doesn’t help if images are key to the point, one might contend, but in principle screenshots could also be made of those. Most Youtube content is really almost entirely convertable to text with relatively low loss of value.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @cassandra
  238. Hail says: • Website
    @fnn

    He was only going 25 mph at the time of the collision. Not a very determined “terrorist.”

    The Merkel Refugee ISIS attacker who killed 12 at that Christmas market in Berlin two years ago was reported to be driving at an avg. of 65 kph (40.5 mph).

    Relationship of Vehicle Speed to Odds of Pedestrian Death in Collision
    - Vehicle at [x] speed: Odds in Study 1, Study 2 [from here, studies done in 1990s]
    - Vehicle at 20 mph: 5%, 5% odds of a struck pedestrian dying
    - Vehicle at 30 mph: 45%, 37% odds of a struck pedestrian dying
    - Vehicle at 40 mph: 85%, 83% odds of a struck pedestrian dying

  239. eah says:
    @Hail

    …an activist privately doxxed him or threatened to do so.

    Read the comment by “Mike Sylwester” above and follow the link to his website — per his blog, this YouTuber doxxed himself previously: he revealed his real name in one of his earlier videos — it is not clear why the videos are no longer available, ie whether he removed them himself or whether YouTube removed them — but they are no longer available.

  240. eah says:

    Says something about the prosecution and the way they put the case against Fields (who was clearly overcharged) together — they were desperate to find a motive and any information to justify the murder charge — so desperate they were stupid.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  241. eah says:

    The culpability of Charlottesville authorities in a nutshell:

    • Agree: Hail
  242. @MarkinLA

    Not funny. Fields intentionally drove into the marchers. The fact that Heyer was a cow is neither here nor there.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @anon
  243. @eah

    you: “… there is no convincing video or photographic evidence, either of the crash or its aftermath, showing Heyer was hit by a car…”

    As I hope I made clear, I don’t trust the Charlottesville authorities either. My remaining goodwill towards Jeff Sessions evaporated when his announced investigation came and went without a trace or pursuit of civil rights violations despite a target-rich environment. And, yes, it is strange that the “heart attack” business went unrebutted for so long. But a video above, in this thread, provides the photographic evidence of Heyer being struck full-on by the car that you claim does not exist.

    you: “One can ask: how many others struck by Fields’ auto suffered thoracic injuries, let alone serious thoracic injuries? — yet the claim is that Heyer suffered fatal chest trauma.”

    Not everyone struck by Field’s car was standing directly in front of it. And, of those who were, I assumed at first that the woman tossed over the roof of the…Toyota?… was Heyer, but she wasn’t, obviously. Different shit happens. And, yeah, the CPR might have aggravated the injury, but I doubt if that’s legally significant. Heyer died because Fields deliberately rammed the crowd with murderous intent. Period.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
    , @Anonymous
    , @eah
  244. @cassandra

    YouTube is owned by Google, which is evil, but that is neither here nor there as to the accuracy of my narrative, which is clearly accurate, as demonstrated by many videos still available on Youtube. Denying this is, as I said, lunacy.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  245. MarkinLA says:
    @Gandydancer

    You haven’t established that he did anything intentionally. That is just your opinion. If he had done it intentionally there would have been a lot more mayhem. He would have driven up on the sidewalk and run large numbers of people down like that guy in Europe.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  246. @eah

    It’s very odd that you think the fact that the “Late for Work” shot was posted before the UtR rally was announced is somehow an exoneration. It’s probative value by itself isn’t high, but the videos of Fields racing towards the crowd satisfy that need. What the “Late for Work” shot indicates is that the idea of using the Challenger as a weapon against those he hated had almost certainly crossed Fields’ mind. Not EVERY element of a case has to be beyond a reasonable doubt, only the case as a whole has to be.

    • Replies: @JLK
    , @eah
  247. anon[127] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    Fields intentionally drove into the marchers.

    you don’t know that though

    his car was hit by some kind of wooden sticks or bats just before he sped up and impacted the other car

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
    , @crimson2
  248. @Gandydancer

    What Unz’s software did with my video link is just weird. I just posted a link to the Youtube video with a~ t=3065 (11 min 5 sec) start cue, iirc, and it coughs up a screenshot (with a non-functional “Play” arrow) and THREE semi-functional links to Youtube. Wtf?

    edit: And after I posted this it reloaded, and there was only the screenshot. Hitting “Play” brought up only one link. Below the visible window. Maybe hitting it again would bring up a second box, then a third. It’s a bug, anyway.

    [Not a bug. There's a message saying playback of the video on other websites has been disabled by the owner.]

    • Replies: @cassandra
  249. anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    looks like the prosecution’s idea of a premeditated attack is shot:

    Kristin Smith Verified Account
    @kristin8news
    A digital forensics expert just testified that minutes before the tragedy, James Fields used the google maps app on his phone to search for directions back home to Maumee, Ohio.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/kristin8news/status/1070418662979448851

  250. cassandra says:
    @Hail

    It is possible that it was not YouTube itself deleting/censoring the videos, but an intimidation campaign in which, e.g., an activist privately doxxed him or threatened to do so.

    (eah beat me to this). I agree that it’s possible but I judge it unlikely. Evans already mentioned that his real name had been identified, so that risk had already been run. My money is on YouTube, who’s already has a well-deserved reputation for digital book/video-burning.

    There is, maybe, a valuable lesson here: Text survives a lot better than video (the latter easier to “one-click obliterate”)….Most Youtube content is really almost entirely convertable to text with relatively low loss of value.

    But consider the conditions surrounding Fields’ car from the last 20 feet or so from impact. Expressing the mayhem would be impossibly hard. On the other hand, interviews and debates, which are much more common, lend themselves very well to textual reduction. It depends. Ironically, text stories that lack a PRINT button can be the most tedious to archive.

    Since 2008 or so, I’ve been taping over my computer cameras, and downloading all the videos and podcasts I actually watch. My archive currently fits on a 2 terabyte portable drive.

    I sometimes thought I was being overly cautious, but I’ve been vindicated over the past 2 years, since the “adpocalypse”. (I really must disable my computer microphones.)

    • Replies: @Hail
  251. cassandra says:
    @Gandydancer

    Maybe YouTube’s “offensive” algorithm now automatically bans any video posted at Unz ;-)

  252. JLK says:
    @Gandydancer

    What the “Late for Work” shot indicates is that the idea of using the Challenger as a weapon against those he hated had almost certainly crossed Fields’ mind.

    I doubt it, he was a low wage security guard and the car was the most important thing in his life. The evidence points to an unplanned flash of rage, not premeditation. Murder 2 or manslaughter.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  253. cassandra says:
    @Gandydancer

    It’s not “lunacy” but prudence to suspect a narrative when it’s buttressed by a one-sided censorship program.

    He braked at the last moment, probably because he didn’t see the two cars blocking his path until the then, and before that thought he was just going to run through and over people.

    Saying that disagreeing with this fantasy is a sign of “lunacy” doesn’t do credit to your own state of mind.

    Here’s a different hypothesis, assuming a different frame of mind: Fields was lost in Charlottesville, trying to get out, being intimidated by the Antifa vilence. After finding himself funneled down a street blocked by demonstrators, he at first backed up a block, and then decided to go forward anyway. He hoped the demonstrators would let him through, but when demonstrators began clubbing his car, creating a din of clanging sheet metal like the cacophony in the proverbial boiler factory, he became severely disoriented. While driving at ~20mph, about 30 feet per second, he drove the last 20 feet or so into the Camry in a totally distracted state, reflexively hunching shoulders and head and momentarily unaware of his surroundings. The blows from Antifa continued to rain down upon his car, so he reversed to escape in an act of self-preservation.

    Maybe.

    What is “lunacy” is to assert knowledge of Fields’ state of mind on the basis of your political beliefs. The one is unhinged from the other, which the more so is moot.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  254. @cassandra

    The difference between my account and yours is that mine is congruent with what the videos show, and yours is a motivated bullsh!t fantasy.

    Contrarywise, it’s NOT “fantasy” to say that “He braked at the last moment” (by the time, say Marcus Martin was launched into the air, his brakelights are on, whereas he clearly wasn’t braking as he headed towards the crowd) and merely reasonable to suggest that he did so “probably because he didn’t ,see the two cars blocking his path until the then, and before that thought he was just going to run through and over people”. He clearly DID intend to run through and over people because that was the obvious and necessary result — only the first ranks could even see him coming — of his driving towards that crowd at that speed. Which was not, btw, “~20 mph… for the last 20′” — he started impacting at about 30mph and carried Heyer about 50′, braking, and impacted the Toyota at a still considerable speed. Your alternative that, “He hoped the demonstrators would let him through” is ludicrous, absurd, and misrepresents physical possibility. And Fields is not such a cretin that he didn’t know that.

    As I wrote in my original post, “Nobody struck him with a “bat” until it was too late to matter.”

    Your assumptions about my political beliefs are also laughable. I’m perfectly OK with the KKK guy firing into the berm to scare off Aerosol flamethrower guy, or the League of the South defending themselves at the garage, and DeAndre Harris should have been jailed as a violent accessory to theft, etc. But Fields is a murderer.

    I’m not relying on any media “narrative”, I’m relying on what I can plainly see. And what YOU can plainly see, though you absurdly lie about it.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @cassandra
  255. @JLK

    How long do you imagine it takes for rage to turn into premeditation? I don’t doubt that Fields was enraged, but it took more than a “flash” for him to drive down that street and into the crowd. Anyway, I’m not fixating on charging him with Murder 1. I’m arguing with folks who declare he was righteously defending himself.

    If the car was the most important thing in his life that only makes it more credible that he fantasized about using it against his enemies.

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @JLK
    , @eah
  256. crimson2 says:
    @KenH

    If we had a real president

    One actual redeeming quality of Donald Trump is that he was willing to swindle white nationalist suckers just like he was anyone else. Your “God-Emperor” has taken a giant shit all over you and most of you still lap it up. Amusing.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @eah
  257. @MarkinLA

    The video of Fields driving at speed down the street and iinto the crowd establishes that he did it intentionally. This isn’t a video game where you maximize your score by blowing up every alien you pass, and the rest don’t react. His heading towards the bulk of the crowd doesn’t require any special explanation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @eah
  258. JLK says:
    @Gandydancer

    How long do you imagine it takes for rage to turn into premeditation? I don’t doubt that Fields was enraged, but it took more than a “flash” for him to drive down that street and into the crowd.

    It’s a matter for the jury to consider in most states. Not sure about Virginia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  259. @anon

    Utter nonsense. What part of, “Nobody struck him with a “bat” until it was too late to matter” is too hard for you to understand? By the time the first stick was swung at Fields’ rear bumper it was way too late to affect his hitting the marchers.

    And, no, he wasn’t speeding up at that point, either. What are you on?

    • Replies: @anon
  260. anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    Which was not, btw, “~20 mph… for the last 20′” — he started impacting at about 30mph and carried Heyer about 50′, braking, and impacted the Toyota at a still considerable speed.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/kristin8news/status/1070362472459235328/photo/1

    Kristin Smith Verified Account
    @kristin8news
    A VSP crash reconstructionist just testified that he couldn’t determine how fast James Fields was driving when he hit pedestrians. He could say the car was traveling 28mph at the start down to 17 mph when it hit a parked Camry.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  261. anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    you’re an idiot

    they decided he was an enemy and that’s why they attacked him

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  262. KenH says:
    @crimson2

    He was never my god-emperor. Sadly you’re right that Trump flirted with the racialist right then disavowed them once in office. But you’re also ignorant about white nationalists if you think they all take their cue from Richard Spencer who fell in love with Trump and tried to hitch his alt-right brand with the president which backfired badly.

    Not that you have much room to talk as you thought you would get amnesty, gun control and lots of free stuff with Afro potentate Barack Obongo and all you really came away with was a crappy health care bill, some Obama phones and unprecedented losses in Congress and state houses across the nation.

  263. cassandra says:
    @Gandydancer

    My story was a hypothetical case in which Fields would be innocent of murder.

    Was his car struck with a bat before or after the brake lights came on?
    Speed at impact with the Camry was 17mph, not 30.
    You take too many (possible) hypotheticals as established, when they ain’t necessarily so:
    “only the first ranks could even see him coming”
    “He clearly DID intend to run through and over people because that was the obvious and necessary result”

    If I misconstrued your political motivation, I apologize. But then, this does illustrate how foolhardy it is to make assertions about someone else’s mental tendencies, whether toward homicide or lunacy.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  264. @anon

    Don’t try to gaslight me, cretin. He attacked them first.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
  265. @anon

    You’ve just supplied a quote which agrees with what I said and contradicts what cassandra2 said.

    But you don’t realize that?

    Not the sharpest blade in the drawer, are you?

    • Replies: @Hail
  266. anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    Don’t try to gaslight me, cretin. He attacked them first.

    “don’t try to confuse me with facts, i’ve already made up my mind”

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  267. @cassandra

    Well, it’s foolish for YOU to do so, because you are remarkably inept at seeing what’s in front of your nose. My posts made it fairly clear where I was coming from, but you somehow assumed the opposite.

    The expert said Fields hit the Camry going 17mph, but he’d carried Heyer circa 50′ before doing so and hit the crowd, and hence Heyer, at about 28 mph. Rounding my memory of 28 to 30 and 17 to 20 was not unduly inaccurate. The point is that he hit Heyer going about 30 mph, not the 20 mph you implied.

    In the still photos of the guy hitting Fields’ rear bumper with a stick his brake lights are on, iirc. What difference does it make? Charging towards the crowd as he did his hitting them had by then been made – by Fields -inevitable, so what difference does it make?

    “only the first ranks could even see him coming” and “He clearly DID intend to run through and over people because that was the obvious and necessary result” are evident facts, not “hypotheticals”.

    As is the fact that Fields is guilty of murder.

    • Agree: niceland
  268. @anon

    You wouldn’t recognize a fact if one bit you on the butt.

    Example: THIS is a fact: “Don’t try to gaslight me, cretin. He attacked them first.”

    So, what was the point of those photos of Fields’ car?

  269. @Gandydancer

    Heyer was standing beside the drivers door of the white parked car hit by the Challenger. She was not hit 50 feet up the street from the white parked car nor “carried” by the Challenger fifty feet. The side of the white car might have struck her as it and the parked maroon van were moved by the collision, or she might have been struck by the side of the Challenger, but she was never in front of the Challenger. It has not been established that Fields was driving the Challenger, and photos taken through the windshield show someone that does not resemble Fields.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
    , @crimson2
  270. cassandra says:
    @Gandydancer

    Perhaps I am remarkably inept at seeing what’s in front of my nose, perhaps you’re remarkably adept at denying what’s in front of yours. We all have our peccadilloes.

    To be clear, I had assumed your political position was that Fields intended to cause injury and was therefore guilty of assault with a deadly weapon. Did I misunderstand that?

    My posts made it fairly clear where I was coming from, but you somehow assumed the opposite….He clearly DID intend to run through and over people because that was the obvious and necessary result” are evident facts, not “hypotheticals”.

    We evidently have different notions of clarity. And of proof: shouting something doesn’t make it true, and calling names doesn’t refute someone’s argument. Let’s stick to specifics instead of slurs.

    Here’s one: what was the basis for the statement that Heyer was struck 50′ before Fields stopped, and that he was doing 28mph at the time of impact? Maybe we can start there. (People are arguing over whether Heyer jumped onto Fields’ hood or was hit.)

    If Fields had wanted to run down Antifa, why did he pass up the opportunity before he turned left onto 4th from Market, where a bunch had congregated.

    Your own still shows the Charger being struck before brakes were applied. The significance of this, as per your request, is that you can’t rule out the possibility that Fields’ braking, and subsequent reactions, were induced by panic caused by the blows on the car.

    It all boils down to, you get one interpretation of events assuming Fields intended to kill; you get another assuming he panicked. Everything so far has a dual interpretation, in spite of many singular opinions.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
    , @Anonymous
  271. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Field is absolutely not guilty.

    State your reasoning.

  272. Hail says: • Website
    @Gandydancer

    (28+17) divided by 2 equals 22.5.

    I do not know all the details of the case, but if the impacts were at about 22.5 mph, that is not a sufficient speed to reliably kill pedestrians, and a driver would know it instinctually at some level. IOW, he could have gone a lot faster. (On probabilities of death upon being struck by a car at various vehicular speeds, see here.) Very, very weak case for ‘Murder.’ Political prosecution if there ever was one.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  273. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @JLK

    Ultimately, it doesn’t matter. Reject the Hobson’s choices and reserve your support for organizations and platforms without built-in straw men.

    Spencer, having crippled with his antics and public appearances Trump’s presidency, and having tainted brave Confederate generals, has apparently moved to the comfy confines of Montana, far beyond the fray.

    • Replies: @JLK
  274. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    Heyer died because Fields deliberately rammed the crowd with murderous intent.

    Heyer died because a violent mob had illegally taken over a narrow downtown street, causing Fields to panic and attempt to drive out of the danger.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
    , @Gandydancer
  275. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    The video of Fields driving at speed down the street and iinto the crowd establishes that he did it intentionally.

    Nope. That doesn’t establish intent to kill.

    And even if it did, he can reasonably claim he acted in self-defense.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  276. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @JLK

    How long do you imagine it takes for rage to turn into premeditation? I don’t doubt that Fields was enraged,

    How do you know he wasn’t in fear for his life? Angry mob moving toward him on a narrow street.

  277. eah says:
    @Gandydancer

    somehow an exoneration

    Let me put it in a way that perhaps even you can understand — the prosecution offered his use/posting of that meme as evidence of premeditation to kill at the Charlottesville UtR rally: he is charged with first degree murder of people at UtR, so they need evidence of premeditation — but he posted/used that meme weeks before the organizers of UtR applied for a permit — so his posting/use of that meme weeks before he even knew about the UtR rally cannot and should not be seen as evidence of premeditation to kill at UtR — as evidence of premeditation to kill at UtR, it is ridiculous.

    I didn’t say the prosecution’s use of that meme as evidence of premeditation ‘exonerated’ Fields — I said use of it as evidence of premeditation to kill at UtR was “stupid” — also that it was a sign of their desperation to prove premeditation, which they must do — since no responsible juror can/should see it as evidence (“beyond a reasonable doubt”) of intent to kill at UtR.

    Do future defendants a favor: every time a summons arrives, find a reason not to serve on a jury.

    For anyone who is at all fair-minded, intellectually honest, and following the Fields trial: yesterday was a very bad day for the prosecution’s case of first degree murder.

  278. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    Don’t try to gaslight me, cretin. He attacked them first.

    They assaulted him, first. Angry, armed mob illegally blocking traffic and flooding toward him on a narrow street.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  279. Hail says: • Website
    @cassandra

    Archive.org has the former content of his YouTube page as it appeared two months ago.

    His most-viewed videos (in the hundreds of thousands of views) are in a playlist called “Charlottesville Zapruder Film.” The videos don’t actually play at Archive.org

    Here is the description of his channel’s lead video when the Archive.org webcrawl occurred:

    Charlottesville Car Attack: Ten Curious Facts
    13,061 views

    Here I set forth Ten Curious Facts about the Charlottesville Car Attack. Most people are not aware of these facts because the media are not reporting them. The first seven are things I’ve discussed in my prior videos; the last three are new disclosures.

    1. The Maroon Van was parked at the intersection of 4th and Water for 5 Minutes prior to the car attack.
    2. C-Ville Police Misled the Public re: the Maroon Van.
    3. Ford Fischer & Co. waited by Green Awning for 3 Minutes for no apparent reason.
    4. The Dodge Challenger Arrived at the Scene of the Crime 1 min 15 secs early, and then apparently moved around in a strange way.
    5. Eyewitnesses like Brennan Gilmore misled/lied to public in the days after the Car Attack.
    6. Local Prosecutors and the City of Charlottesville are not allowing the public to see video evidence that they submitted to the court. This is unlawful.
    7. According to ‘Mr. X’, the FBI seized the Pie Chest surveillance video without telling local authorities that the video existed.
    8. Black SUV on 4th Street – a federal fleet vehicle?
    9. Reporter Jeremiah Knupp, who filmed the Dodge Challenger in the moments prior to impact, turned down my offer of money and refuses to release his footage of Dodge Challenger.
    10. SkyClad Aerial, which filmed the scene prior to the car attack from a drone in the sky, turned down my offer of money and refuses to show their footage from before and after the car attack.

    Bonus: SkyClad Aerial released a misleading, deceptive edit of their footage. Why?

    What could explain all these curious facts? I’m working on it.

    Please send any media inquiries to [email].

    He was doing these videos for over a year to much acclaim; why would he take them all down right now? Though they do say “Private Video,” implying that they were not deleted, I see no plausible scenario for him taking them all down on his own volition in the middle of the trial.

  280. eah says:
    @Gandydancer

    I don’t doubt

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  281. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    In the still photos of the guy hitting Fields’ rear bumper with a stick his brake lights are on, iirc. What difference does it make? Charging towards the crowd as he did his hitting them had by then been made – by Fields -inevitable, so what difference does it make?

    He put on the brakes as he quickly deliberated about how to get away from the growing illegal mob. As the mob surged toward him on the street and began to surround his car, he decided that the only feasible way out was through the street in front. He hoped that people would get out of the way but felt that he had no choice in either event.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  282. eah says:
    @Gandydancer

    Different shit happens.

    “LOL” — and with blah blah bullshit like this you would send this young guy away, likely for the rest of his life — was für ein mieses Arschloch — what a total fucking piece of shit you are.

    Assuming Heyer died of a lacerated aorta, all available hard evidence, including the fact no other victims suffered chest trauma, leads most directly to the following conclusions: Heyer was struck by Fields’ car and suffered a broken leg (amongst other non-fatal injuries); as a result of this sudden shock, she had a heart attack (her morbid obesity contributed to this); she had no pulse when emergency personnel arrived; via vigorous chest compressions during CPR, she suffered the internal thoracic injuries reported in the trial, including a lacerated aorta due to broken ribs, which ultimately killed her.

  283. Hail says: • Website

    Further note on the SonofNewo mystery:

    His Patreon has vanished / been liquidated. Formerly at patreon.com/sonofnewo.

    Its former existence at that URL is confirmable easily by a simple googling; archived versions of his posts are all over google and direct supporters to that Patreon account. So if this censorship, it looks like a multi-pronged attack to “deplatform” SonofNewo on the Alex Jones precedent (simultaneous ban from most major platforms in one day in August 2018); Alternatively, SonofNewo himself decided to go dark. Why now?

    • Replies: @eah
  284. eah says:
    @crimson2

    Actually, many people voted for Trump — myself included — because the most obvious alternatives were 1) HRC; 2) not voting at all — of those, voting for Trump, whom I see as oafish, was the best alternative — the hope was that he would grow into the job and live up to his campaign rhetoric — unfortunately this has not really happened — I don’t entirely blame him, since the way the media constantly attacks and belittles him means he has no moral authority, and really no air of presidential authority at all, which is important in getting things done — the way Trump is treated as President is absolutely disgraceful and unprecedented (in my lifetime, anyway).

    There is stupid, and then there is belligerent, malicious stupidity — you absolutely reek of the latter.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  285. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:

    Greg:

    Were the photos of Fields’ car with its brake lights on entered into evidence?

    • Replies: @crimson2
  286. eah says:
    @Gandydancer

    “LOL”

    In one comment you say: The video of Fields driving at speed down the street and into the crowd establishes that he did it intentionally…His heading towards the bulk of the crowd doesn’t require any special explanation.

    Then in another you say: I’m arguing with folks who declare he was righteously defending himself.

    You are so stupid and dishonest — basically, you’ve rigidly argued throughout that Fields is guilty of first degree murder — and then you have the nerve to say “I’m arguing with folks who declare he was righteously defending himself.”

    You have no idea what you’re saying from one comment to the next — go away you fucking cretin — and don’t come back.

  287. @Bombercommand

    “Heyer was standing beside the drivers door of the white parked car hit by the Challenger…”

    Total bullsh!t, pulled out of your butt. Here AGAIN is the link to an analysis the photographic evidence of where Heyer actually was, and what happened to her:

    (Unz may mung up the start — it begins at ~50:53). Again, Heyer was photographed directly in front of the Challenger (Marcus Martin, standing to her immediate right, is the black guy in shorts seen immediately after upside down in the air above the roof level and to the challenger’s left), suffered a crushed chest and torn aorta and DIED from her injuries. Exactly as I’ve said.

    Of course it’s been established that Fields was driving the Challenger. What, did aliens beam the driver up and him in? You’re a nut.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  288. eah says:
    @Hail

    Thanks — to borrow a phrase, “I don’t doubt” there is a price to pay for such activism — I watched some of his videos (not all), but did not download any — if I had used them in my own online activity (as some did), I would have sought his permission and then downloaded them to make sure they would be available in the future.

  289. crimson2 says:
    @anon

    his car was hit by some kind of wooden sticks or bats just before he sped up and impacted the other car

    By the time Field’s car gets hit, he is already heading straight for the crowd. People are already rushing to get out of the way. His intent was clear.

    Your boy’s going to prison and trying to make him a martyr will just get you laughed at.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  290. crimson2 says:
    @Anonymous

    The street was completely empty behind him, evidenced by the fact that he got away by going that way.

    No wonder your little white nationalist movement is crumbling. It’s full of brain-dead morons. Come on, the one or two actual smart Nazis see this, right? Pretty depressing, huh? lol

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  291. crimson2 says:
    @eah

    the way Trump is treated as President is absolutely disgraceful and unprecedented

    We’ve never had such a lying, disgraceful president. That’s why the GOP lost 40 seats. If the economy takes a bad turn then they’ll lose 40 more in 2020.

    • Replies: @Gandydancer
  292. crimson2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Were the photos of Fields’ car with its brake lights on entered into evidence?

    The video was. And it shows that he doens’t apply his brakes until after the murder.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  293. crimson2 says:
    @Bombercommand

    It has not been established that Fields was driving the Challenger, and photos taken through the windshield show someone that does not resemble Fields.

    The Nazis are flinging all kinds of shit against the wall. Fields admitted to driving the car, stupid.

    • Agree: JLK
    • Replies: @anon
  294. @cassandra

    “I had assumed your political position was that Fields intended to cause injury and was therefore guilty of assault with a deadly weapon. Did I misunderstand that?”

    Factual observations are not “political positions”. Fields drove into the crowd (and about 60′ through it) at such a speed FOR HUNDREDS OF FEET WITH THE CROWD CLEARLY IN VIEW that it was inevitable that he would cause injuries and probably fatalities. There’s no suggestion he was suffering a fit or otherwise seriously not in control or in his right mind at the time, so it’s lunacy to think he didn’t intend that result.

    Yep, video that clearly establishes what happened is indeed my idea of proof. Determined refusal to admit what the video clearly shows is not my idea of an alternative standard of proof. What that’s called ls gaslighting. And I feel not the slightest obligation to be polite to someone who attempts that on me.

    you: “what was the basis for the statement that Heyer was struck 50′ before Fields stopped, and that he was doing 28mph at the time of impact? Maybe we can start there. (People are arguing over whether Heyer jumped onto Fields’ hood or was hit.)”

    Heather Heyer JUMPED? Are you fucking kidding me? And that other whale who landed on the windshield of the Toyota — she JUMPED too? And Marcus Martin was just serendipitously demonstrating his gymnastic skills? FIELDS RAMMED THE CROWD AND BODIES WENT FLYING AND HEATHER HEYER’S CHEST WAS CRUSHED AND SHE DIED. That’s what happened and, no, that’s not a “political position”. It’s an observed fact.

    As to Heather, there’s a photo of her face over the roof of the Challenger. I’ve linked to the video showing this and other details twice now (after seeing it upthread) including in one post you’ve already responded to. Unz converts the link to a big screenshot (not “my still”), so it’s kind of hard to miss.

    Looking at the screenshot again, the taillight isn’t lit. So, I misremembered. I allowed (“iirc”) for that. This, however, is really bad for YOUR point of view. If Fields only panicked after his bumper was then he WASN’T PANICKED when he became committed to ram the crowd at a murderous speed, because as I’ve now said several times by the time his car was first hit it was too late to matter.

    My theory, as I already said, is that he hit the brakes when he saw the Toyota. Bodies don’t seem to have slowed him much faster than brakes alone, so who knows how far he could have plowed through the crowd if the cars hadn’t been parked there. This, of course, is why the idea that the van was parked there empty to help the plot is as crazy an idea as has been expressed. How did it “help”?

    The idea that Fields “panicked” and drove a block at a murderous speed into a packed crowd “to escape” is, as I said in my initial comment, lunacy. We know the guy knows how to drive his car backwards!

    (btw: The uphill crosstreet is pedestrian malls with planters on the west side spaced far enough apart for the Challenger to fit. You can see this in the video of him backing through that intersection. So if he really could have gotten at the pedestrians on the sidewalk as someone (not you?) suggested, he could have driven out that way.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @cassandra
  295. @eah

    Jackass, the non-misleading version of that quote is “I don’t doubt THAT FIELDS WAS ENRAGED”. Do you think you’re being clever? Nah, I doubt THAT. Even a nut like you must realize that, as an attempt to avoid addressing the evidence I pointed to, yours was utterly pathetic as well as imbecilic.

  296. @Anonymous

    “Heyer died because a violent mob had illegally taken over a narrow downtown street, causing Fields to panic and attempt to drive out of the danger.”

    Except we know the guy knows how to back that car up, and instead of “driving out of danger” he drove a full block at high speed towards a crowd fully filling the street. As I already said to someone else, “Cretin, don’t gaslight me.” Particularly with a claim that utterly stupid.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  297. @Anonymous

    “Heyer died because a violent mob had illegally taken over a narrow downtown street, causing Fields to panic and attempt to drive out of the danger.”

    Except we know the guy knows how to back that car up, and instead of “driving out of danger” he drove a full block at high speed towards a crowd fully filling the street. As I already said to someone else, “Cretin, don’t gaslight me.” Particularly with a claim that utterly stupid.

  298. @crimson2

    “We’ve never had such a lying, disgraceful president. That’s why the GOP lost 40 seats.”

    Remind me, how many did Obama lose?

  299. @Anonymous

    “He put on the brakes as he quickly deliberated about how to get away from the growing illegal mob. As the mob surged toward him on the street and began to surround his car, he decided that the only feasible way out was through the street in front. He hoped that people would get out of the way but felt that he had no choice in either event.”

    Some moron actually said this. You can’t make this stuff up.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @cassandra
  300. @Hail

    “(28+17) divided by 2 equals 22.5. I do not know all the details of the case, but if the impacts were at about 22.5 mph, that is not a sufficient speed to reliably kill pedestrians…”

    The table wasn’t calculated based on cars driving into crowds, most of whom can’t see you coming. Anyway, the percentage of death has to be multiplied by the number of strikes.

    Heyer was hit dead center, her chest was crushed and her aorta torn apart. He death in that circumstance could be anticipated quite reliably. And, no, she wasn’t hit at the average speed.

  301. @Anonymous

    “That doesn’t establish intent to kill.”

    Nonsense. Deliberately driving your car a considerable distance down a narrow street into a crowd in plain sight at a sustained speed of almost 30mph doesn’t leave any doubt as to your intent.

    “And even if it did, he can reasonably claim he acted in self-defense.”

    He attacked them. He started a block away, far out of reach of their sticks, and we know he knows how to back up. Your concept of “self-defense” is entirely peculiar.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  302. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @cassandra

    If Fields had wanted to run down Antifa, why did he pass up the opportunity before he turned left onto 4th from Market, where a bunch had congregated.

    Have his lawyers noted this to the jury?

    • Replies: @cassandra
  303. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    By the time Field’s car gets hit, he is already heading straight for the crowd. People are already rushing to get out of the way. His intent was clear.

    His intent was to escape a very dangerous situation.

  304. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    The street was completely empty behind him, evidenced by the fact that he got away by going that way.

    So what? The illegal mob was growing, flooding up the street toward him. He had a better view forward than backward and it is far easier to drive forward than backward. If he stops the car completely to throw it in reverse, it would require decelerating over distance and coming to a stop and that would have given the mob time and opportunity to set upon him.

    Fields could only hope that the illegal crowd would clear out of the way as he tried to escape danger. In fact, a certain amount of vehicle speed would have incentivized them to make way for him.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  305. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    The photos show the brake lights on prior to frontal contact with the people illegally blocking the street.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  306. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    There’s no suggestion he was suffering a fit or otherwise seriously not in control or in his right mind at the time, so it’s lunacy to think he didn’t intend that result.

    The result was incidental to his trying to extricate himself from a very dangerous situation.

  307. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    Except we know the guy knows how to back that car up, and instead of “driving out of danger” he drove a full block at high speed towards a crowd fully filling the street.

    Backing up would have required slowing down, stopping, and then trying to drive in an disadvantaged manner (it is more difficult to drive backwards than forwards) up a narrow street. That would have given the mob in the front and on the sides more opportunity to set upon him. Also, there was no guarantee the street behind would have been clear of violent people by the time he did all of that. No one could predict with certainty that it would have been.

    He had to make a split second decision and he hoped that the people in front, seeing a car in motion toward them, would clear a path and get out of the street. It is reasonable to think that people will move out of the way of a car that is traveling at such a speed. Indeed, many people did move out of the way.

  308. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    Some moron actually said this. You can’t make this stuff up.

    You know it’s true. Which is why you resort to name calling.

  309. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gandydancer

    Nonsense. Deliberately driving your car a considerable distance down a narrow street into a crowd in plain sight at a sustained speed of almost 30mph doesn’t leave any doubt as to your intent.

    Sure it does. His intent was to get out of a dangerous situation created by a violent mob that had taken over the streets, not to kill people. Even at 30 mph it is reasonable to expect people in the street will step to the side and make way for an oncoming car.

    “And even if it did, he can reasonably claim he acted in self-defense.”

    He attacked them. He started a block away, far out of reach of their sticks, and we know he knows how to back up. Your concept of “self-defense” is entirely peculiar.

    The mob was violent, appeared to be growing, and was illegally flooding the street. A reasonable person could feel fear in that situation.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  310. Hail says: • Website

    Greg Conte discusses the the Trial of James Fields, Dec 5, 2018, podcast with Augustus Sol Invictus.

    Both were Charlottesville rally attendees of some prominence. Conte directly references some of the points made in the OP here and more, a kind of running commentary on the trial.

    It appears that Conte has been present in the courtroom daily, making this is among the best Charlottesville trial commentary going.

    Excerpt, in which Conte discusses what James Fields did between 11:45 AM and 1:40 PM (1:40 PM is the time of the car incident and Heather Heyer heart attack). Solid info/material here:

    [MORE]

    [30:35] Greg Conte: I don’t think a lot of people knew, or anybody knew, what had happened to Fields between the time that the “unlawful assembly” was declared, which I think happened at 11:45 [AM] or so, between then and when the car accident happened at 1:40 [PM]. This came out in the defense’s opening statement.

    They talked about how when Fields left Lee Park, he went to the west. So he didn’t go the same direction as a lot of that RAM [Rise Above Movement] guys went. He didn’t go toward that garage where that whole the DeAndre Harris incident occurred. Fields left in the safer direction with the large group of people who went west, and then walked up McIntyre Road back to McIntyre Park. He then went back to get his car, which was parked at the McDonald’s…near McIntyre Park…is I think is the one they’re referring to…It’s across the street from a Shell station, or what was at that time a Shell station. He goes to get his car.

    He met up with three people — just people he didn’t know, but who were at the rally too — and offered to give them rides. So they all piled in. He drove over to Jefferson Street, which is right by Justice Park, which is where all the Redneck Revolt antifa people were hanging out around that time. He dropped off a couple of people there, and then he drove to Market Street garage, the one where the Deandre Harris thing happened. He drove there, dropped off the last guy, and then left.

    So that that’s what he did in the little over two hours, or almost three hours, between the end of the rally and when it happened. I mean, I suppose one could reproach Fields for driving back into town for any reason –

    Augustus Invictus: Yeah.

    Greg Conte: It was, perhaps, naive to think that the situation was under control.

    Augustus Invictus: Yeah. I don’t know what he was thinking, to be frank. Maybe he thought that because the rally had been dispersed hours before, that the streets were clear. Maybe he was going somewhere that he knows that was logical…Maybe his hotel was down there. I don’t know.

    But having been down there [myself] and knowing, from the TV and from everything else, that these riots were going on, I think it’s clear no one should have been there. But he might not have known that.

    I mean, if he’s going to all these places, going to McDonald’s, going to wherever else, and he hadn’t been to a hotel yet, and hadn’t seen the news, it might be that he just didn’t know that the riots were going on. [33:55]

    Greg Conte: The big piece of information in all this, the big thing that nobody is talking about, or at least other than us…is that when the dispersion order came, the Alt Right left [and] went to MacIntyre Park, a lot of us, and then dispersed from there, and were gone. The Left was parading around in the streets, just having a riot, and –

    Augustus Invictus: Counter demonstration.

    Greg Conte: Yes, sorry, the “counter demonstration.” [Laughter from Augustus Invictus].

  311. @crimson2

    Your pathetic failure to make even the feeblest, most incoherent attempt at a substantive response is duly noted.

    Of course, your complete inability to refute even a single one of the many facts that I cited with respect to he events of the day that led up to the accident… speaks for itself with respect to your mindless, emotionally-based determination to reflexively regurgitate any narrative that your teevee feeds you.

    Thanks for illustrating the mindset (and the cognitive level) of the typical anti-White so clearly.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  312. eah says:
    @eah

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  313. cassandra says:
    @Gandydancer

    Some moron actually said this. You can’t make this stuff up.

    Speak for yourself, my good man. In fact, as the aforesaid “some moron” to whom you refer, I’m miffed that you didn’t credit me with such a moronically clever idea!

    Maybe you’ll understand the arguments that counter yours better, if I explain them in terms closer to those you’ve been using:
    Nanny, nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo!

    Seriously, do you really think the above blockquote has any persuasive value, or are you simply engaging in propaganda by intimidation? As they said to the Boggart at Hogwarts, Ridiculosum!

  314. Hail says: • Website

    Note:

    There is another Greg Conte article published at Unz Review but not yet publicized:

    Oh Come All Ye Faithful to Charlottesville (Dec. 5, 2018).

    Once you see the trial for what it is – an ecclesiastical exercise – you begin to understand what is going on. The facts are apocryphal. To beg for “consistency” or “relevance” is to miss the point. The jurors cannot be expected to synthesize the mass of evidence – neither, if we’re honest, can the judge or the lawyers. The body is so vast, varied and detailed, we can know more about that one day in Charlottesville than we can about entire ancient civilizations. This trial has a singular purpose: to enforce canon.

  315. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    this site is filled with nazis, er…..people i disagree with

  316. cassandra says:
    @Anonymous

    Have his lawyers noted this to the jury?

    I wish I knew, but news coverage hasn’t been exactly comprehensive. This is another reason why censorship of Evans/SonOfNewo’s youtube site was such a loss: regardless of his conclusions, his presentations of the physical circumstances were meticulous and comprehensive.

    • Replies: @Hail
  317. Hail says: • Website
    @cassandra

    censorship of Evans/SonOfNewo’s youtube

    Has anyone located any other copies of these videos?

    No one ever rehosted them anywhere?

    • Replies: @cassandra
  318. crimson2 says:
    @Anonymous

    So what? The illegal mob was growing

    I know you white nationalists are HUGE pussies, but a group of people two blocks away from you isn’t a threat and if you try to run them over you’re going to prison every single time. Fields should have been more like you and cloistered himself on the internet since he’s such an an unbelievable coward.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  319. crimson2 says:
    @James Forrestal

    Look, Nazi Matlock, nobody needs to refute your bullshit. I’m just here to laugh when Fields gets sentenced to life and you and your little buddies cry like you always cry, because you always lose.

    Seriously you should leave the movement. You can still be racist, but you’ll have more friends and a lot more time on your hands. And half of them won’t be feds like they are now.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  320. JLK says:
    @anon

    Spencer, having crippled with his antics and public appearances Trump’s presidency, and having tainted brave Confederate generals, has apparently moved to the comfy confines of Montana, far beyond the fray.

    I try to avoid spurious conspiracy theories, but Spencer couldn’t have picked a better place than Charlottesville if his goal was to get negative attention from the DC political class. It is one of the nicest college towns in the country and a popular weekend getaway for those inside the beltway. UVa is the first among equals of the “public ivies,” its events are heavily covered in The Washington Post, and a lot of lobbyists and high-end federal employees enroll their kids there if they are lucky enough to get in.

    The Fields ramming was manna from heaven for those who want legislation against free speech on the Internet.

  321. crimson2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Why do you people lie about things so easily debunked? There’s fucking VIDEO. Wait, are you a fed trying to make the movement look dumb? If, so, my apologies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  322. cassandra says:
    @Anonymous

    Even at 30 mph it is reasonable to expect people in the street will step to the side and make way for an oncoming car.

    I agree that it’s possible; that may have been his hope when he decided to go down 4th St.

    If you can find any of the videos immediately after the collision, starting when the Charger has stopped, they show people running up to and clubbing the back of Fields’ car (that’s how the rear windshield got cracked). When Fields started to backup at speed, they immediately jumped out of the way, except for one intrepid soul who jumped onto the trunk hood and tried (but failed) to stay on. (There’s one fool who looks like he’s trying to stop the car by pushing on the trunk.) But this shows that there are circumstances where people can and do choose to get out of the way, and circumstances where they don’t.

    Does anyone know a video showing something like a head-on view of the car as it entered the crowd, and specifically how Heyer got hit? That’s where it counts.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  323. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    I know you white nationalists are HUGE pussies, but a group of people two blocks away from you isn’t a threat and if you try to run them over you’re going to prison every single time.

    Maybe not at two blocks. Maybe. (Although, given the circumstances of the day, the prior violence leveled against him, the narrow street, Fields unfamiliarity with the city, maybe not.).

    Not at two blocks, maybe, but as he cruises further down the street, going the speed limit, he expects the people at the other end to clear out of the way, as they did for the other two cars that had made it to the intersection. But the crowd suddenly grows and surges up the street toward him, and now he is closer than two blocks. He brakes to assess his options, then proceeds to drive forward in the same hope that the mob will move out of the way and he can escape to safety.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  324. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Can someone explain to us the significance of these questions and what underlying facts they are related to?

  325. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    Where has this photo of him braking been debunked?

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @crimson2
  326. cassandra says:
    @Gandydancer

    Factual observations are not “political positions”.

    Agree on that point, but an interpretive theory isn’t the same thing as a factual observation:

    My theory, as I already said, is that he hit the brakes when he saw the Toyota. Bodies don’t seem to have slowed him much faster than brakes alone, so who knows how far he could have plowed through the crowd if the cars hadn’t been parked there.

    Who knows indeed? That’s exactly the trouble.

  327. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @cassandra

    I agree that it’s possible; that may have been his hope when he decided to go down 4th St.

    The two cars in front had managed to make it to the intersection. The quantity and arrangement of the mob changed significantly over the course of seconds, as the mob surged up into the street.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  328. cassandra says:
    @Hail

    Censorship of SonOfNewo:
    After reading your post, I searched a few titles to see what I could find. I’m sorry to say that he’s been scrubbed pretty spotless. In the few other cases I’ve seen, I’ve usually been able to find something, especially here where multiple videos are involved. Nada so far.

    Although the videos are gone, he’s mentioned in a few blogs and typed reports. Here’s another, FWIW:

    https://z3news.com/w/evidence-charlottesville-points-elaborate-plan/

    People who wonder how conspiracy theories arise need look no further. When information is deliberately withheld, you can’t help wondering why, and the dearth of information leaves a wide range for speculating about what they have to hide, and why.

    • Replies: @Hail
  329. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Did Fields’ defense counsel interview the Charlottesville police officer whom she Taylor Lorenzo spoke with and who believed that Fields had simply panicked?

  330. cassandra says:
    @Anonymous

    The two cars in front had managed to make it to the intersection.

    FWIW, one of the observations in the SonOfNewo videos was that the front most-vehicle, the purple van, had been sitting stopped at the intersection for at least 5-7 min before Fields’ crash. This was based on videos by Ford Fisher, who essentially walked around the block in the time before. There’s also a second (drone?) video showing an SUV passing the van on the right to get across the street before the incident, so the purple van could have crossed the street had its driver wished.

    I don’t know the history of the white Camry.

  331. @crimson2

    Your open admission that you are pathetically incapable of addressing, much less refuting, the many facts that I cited about the accident — and the events leading up to it — is appreciated.

    And your desperate attempts to distract from the simple, straightforward facts with virulent anti-White hatred, long discredited semitic canards, and mindless regurgitation of vague, incoherent conspiracy theories that you “learned” from your teevee are again noted.

    Any time that you feel ready to control your mindless hysteria enough to address the actual facts of the accident, you’re welcome to do so. But of course, like most low IQ anti-Whites, you’re wholly incapable of constructing anything approaching a logical, empirically-based argument to support your feelz, so you’ll continue to spew your ignorant, incoherent hatred.

    Sad!

  332. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    AltRight Truth
    @AltRightTruth
    James Fields’s prosecutor is Facebook Friends with Antifa leaders.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AltRightTruth/status/1070772491692445696

    TremleyPnt
    @PntTremley

    I just looked on Nina Antony FB friends list. Jeff fogel is on her friend list. He was a major organizer for the August 12 counterprotest

    • Replies: @Hail
  333. anarchyst says:

    “Bonfire of the Vanities”, anyone??

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Hail
  334. @Gandydancer

    First of all, watch your mouth. I have seen video of the moment of impact, taken up close, from the right side of the street. No one was directly in front of the Challenger, it rear ended the white car and no one was between(one was hit by the side of the Challenger on the way in). A bunch of people with poor judgment jumped onto the Challenger before it reversed (black guy in shorts among them)and were thrown off, and that’s a very ugly sight. Your problem is you are watching video purposely taken from behind with a telephoto lens which compresses the distance, an old photographers trick. Heyer is clearly standing next to the drivers side door of the white car, and certainly could be hit by the side of the white car or side of the Challenger, but was not hit head on. And no, it has not been established that Fields was driving, you do not know what that phrase means. This was a very sophisticated and evil false flag, that went a bit wrong with Heyer’s heart attack death. The white car and maroon minivan were placed in advance to serve as a target. The leadership of “the crowd”, part of the conspiracy, led ” the crowd” on the odd pointless route to 4th and Water. A professional driver did the deed, handed off to Fields, who is part of it, and was meant to walk from prison like Donald DeFreeze, complicated now by Heyer’s heart attack death.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  335. Hail says: • Website
    @cassandra

    Here is another for the list:

    The SonofNewo Twitter account has vanished. Formerly at Twitter.com/SonofNewo; presumably the same person. Google has cached versions of some recent tweets.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  336. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    If the brake lights are lit, you must acquit!

    Good work, anonymous meme maker (possibly Mr. 4982), where ever you are.

    Someone pass on this line to the jury.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  337. Hail says: • Website

    Latest report from Gregory Conte in the trial room:

    Today’s Testimony of Military Rifle Toting Antifa Enforcer Dwayne Dixon Should Gravely Damage Charlottesville Prosecution (Dec. 6, 2018)

    Excerpt:

    [MORE]

    [Dwayne] Dixon said that he came to Charlottesville with 18-19 members of the leftist militia group Redneck Revolt “to join others to protest against white supremacy and fascism.” [...] Dixon claimed that he had used an AR-15 rifle “to chase off James Fields from our block… before he attacked the marchers.” [...]

    Another key defense, Philip Depue, testified yesterday. Depue, a digital forensic scientist said that, based on his analysis of data extracted from Fields’ phone, Fields had entered his Ohio hometown into Google Maps less than three minutes before the crash. The app presented Fields with two routes out of town, neither of which included heading south on 4th street, the route he would eventually take [...]. [Maps in original]

    The app suggested that Fields continue west on E Market Street or turn around and head east. However, the first route would mean making an illegal u-turn and heading back into an area where [Dwayne] Dixon had been loitering [and armed with an AR-15]. The second route was likely obstructed by a roadblock, as can be seen from police helicopter footage from approximately 15 minutes before Fields came to the intersection: [still from helicopter footage in original].

    Fields’ only other options would have been to make an illegal right turn, going the wrong way up the one-way 4th street, or turn left onto 4th street. Fields made the left, and was faced with a crowd of hundreds marching toward him. At that point he backed up and, according to Depue’s testimony, checked Google maps again.

    Trapped, he attempted to drive through the crowd at 17 miles per hour.

  338. Hail says: • Website
    @anarchyst

    A googling for //”Bonfire of the Vanities” “James Fields” “Charlottesville”// yields no meaningful results. Is anarchyst, Unz Review commenter, really the first to make this connection? Say it ain’t so.

    The cast of characters looks a little different, but the mechanics of the story are there.

  339. Hail says: • Website
    @anon

    James Fields’s prosecutor is Facebook Friends with Antifa leaders.

    Interesting info; but presumably not grounds for a mistrial.

    (Q. If a prosecutor in a Blood-on-Crip gang shooting was found to be friends with Crip leaders, would this prosecutor be asked to step aside and let one without ties to the alleged victim’s gang take the case?)

  340. @Hail

    Yeah, it’s either that or “If the car was hit, you must acquit!”

    Or both.

    “Bonfire of the Vanities”, anyone??

    A googling for //”Bonfire of the Vanities” “James Fields” “Charlottesville”// yields no meaningful results. Is anarchyst, Unz Review commenter, really the first to make this connection? Say it ain’t so.

    The cast of characters looks a little different, but the mechanics of the story are there.

    Sort of. A couple of minor quibbles:

    1. The race aspect doesn’t really fit. Yeah, I know Sleepy Jeff charged Fields with a so-called “hate crime,” but let’s be serious here — last time I checked, Fields is white… as was Heyer.
    What, they’re charging him with being a “self-hating white?” You don’t see that one too often…

    2. Socio-economic status. Sherman McCoy’s role was defined, not just by his indigenous European heritage, but but by his status as a well-to-do bond trader.

    3. There’s no single individual in this case who serves as an counterpart to the role played by assistant district attorney Larry Kramer and his toxic semitism in “Bonfire” — though I suppose the entirety of the legacy media and the criminal “justice” system is a rough equivalent.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  341. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Forrestal

    Did his defense counsel enter the brake light photos into evidence?

  342. crimson2 says:
    @Anonymous

    But the crowd suddenly grows and surges up the street toward him, and now he is closer than two blocks.

    The crowd doesn’t “suddenly grow” and doesn’t move towards him.

    Once again THERE IS FUCKING VIDEO. Are you people really this deluded?

    If white nationalists were smart–big “if,” I know–then they would just say “Fields was crazy. Probably a liberal who wants to make us look bad.” Yeah, that’s stupid and no one would believe you, but it’s a reasonable con.

    This whole “He’s our hero who panicked!!” stream of bullshit when there is VIDEO EVIDENCE FORM MULTIPLE ANGLES is just laughable Plus, it’s kind of hard to argue that white nationalist dipshits such as yourselves don’t want to drive through crowds of innocent people when you talk about how great it is that Heyer died. I’m not in the business of telling people how to be better racists, but, good God, is this the best you can do? The impotence of this movement is absolutely stunning.

    BTW, if any of you are feds who are leading the “movement” this way, A+ game, gents. Amazing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  343. Mark says:

    The caption under the Antifa dude, noting a “military grade assault rifle” is the sort of b.s. the gun-grabber leftists are always using. Puhleeez.

  344. crimson2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Again, Nazi dipshit, THERE IS VIDEO. I have no idea when this pic was taken, but the video of the murder shows very clearly that he wasn’t braking. It also shows him speeding up and that the street behind him was perfectly clear.

    He’s probably going to die in prison and I’d say you have a good chance at the same fate, Odin willing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  345. crimson2 says:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Meimou
  346. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    The crowd doesn’t “suddenly grow” and doesn’t move towards him.

    Once again THERE IS FUCKING VIDEO. Are you people really this deluded?

    Oh but it did grow and move toward him. The video and photo evidence shows the mob surging into the street and up it.

  347. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    Pilpul.

    Fields’ brake lights were on at one critical point, when he proceeded down the street and needed to slow down so as to allow one of the rioters to get out of the street. To state that “they were on” is to mislead.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  348. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    Again, Nazi dipshit, THERE IS VIDEO. I have no idea when this pic was taken, but the video of the murder shows very clearly that he wasn’t braking. It also shows him speeding up and that the street behind him was perfectly clear.

    Do you have VIDEO of the same moment the image captured him braking to avoid running over the rioter who was attempting to get out of the street? Let’s see it.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  349. crimson2 says:
    @Anonymous

    No. The video shows the attack and no brake lights until AFTER the car had stopped.. The pic is clearly not from the attack, but probably from when Fields was backing up so that he could get more speed for his murder.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  350. Meimou says:
    @crimson2

    If her DNA was on Fields car then you should be able to produce the video of her being hit by his car.

    You say the attack was filmed from multiple angles.

    Where is the dam video of a obese woman in a black t-shirt being hit?

  351. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    CORRECTION: To state that the brake lights “were off” is to mislead. They were also on.

  352. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    Nope. The photo/image shows one of the rioters right in front of the car, just getting out of its way. Impossible if Fields was going in reverse.

    Please post the video you assert contradicts that photo.

  353. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    The video you posted shows Fields’ brake lights on beginning at 1:08. Does anyone know whether the fact of his having put on the brakes was entered into evidence?

    All those violent rioters with bats and poles. Fields was very lucky to escape that dangerous situation with his life intact.

  354. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    The video posted shows brake lights on beginning at 1:08.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  355. cassandra says:
    @Hail

    The SonofNewo Twitter account has vanished.

    Total censorship: I had seen that. He’s also on a chess web site, and I expect that will be taken down, probably on the grounds that his strategy offended someone (Doubt that? Tim Pool’s mother who made math cartoons for children was bumped off youtube at one point, most likely just because of her son).

    Censorship, street violence, political intimidation, racism, guilt by association… Antifa’s motto should be, To fight fascists you must become fascists.

    The Nazis were only the most famous of the practitioners of the strategy of intellectual suppression now being revived. We’re effectively losing the rights, and just as critically, the perspectives, that guaranteed individuals the political safety to develop and express their ideas.

    Witch burnings come next. Don’t think so? This video resonates with contemporary issues on so many levels:

    Climate Science deserves a separate discussion, but without going off on that tangent, the immediate takeaway for me is that it’s easy for elites to create scapegoats and exercise political repression when peoples’ fears have been aroused. To anyone cognizant of how alarmist our political space has become, this is frightening; to James Fields, it’s a matter of life or death.

  356. cassandra says:
    @crimson2

    Thanks very much for this video. It shows the impact far better than the oft-show AP video (with the thumb covering the impact area), or the Brennan Gilmore footage (which shakes violently just at time of impact).

  357. crimson2 says:
    @Anonymous

    True. Right as he’s peeling out and heading for the crowd.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  358. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    Nope. He’s braking as he heads down the street and sees people in the street ahead of him. And the testimony at trial was consistent with deceleration through the event.

    • Replies: @crimson2
    , @Hail
  359. crimson2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Wrong again. Here it is with audio. You can hear him peel out and then speed up. He’s going to prison.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  360. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @crimson2

    There’s no evidence he “sped up”. And that isn’t the sound of someone “peeling out.” He had the right of way and a reasonable expectation the people in the street would clear the way for an oncoming car. Most if not all of them did so.

  361. David Macko says: • Website

    This article is very informative concerning what really happened in Charlottesville. However, I have one addition to his final statement. “If only our leaders had the will to rule.”
    We need leaders who will rule according to the US Constitution and principles of justice.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  362. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    He’s braking as he heads down the street

    If he had the intent to kill Communists, he was incompetent in the extreme. It’s still marginally possible that even with all the low-speed and braking that he did have homicidal intent, but for that to be so he’d have to be grade-A incompetent, and a lot less competent than the two-bit Merkel-refugee jihadi type, the ones who generally manage to rack up kill counts in the double digits (and sans any obese heart-attack victims).

    A case looking to prove intent based on the physical evidence here is so thin that it’s laughable. Only eclipsed in laughability by the prosecution claim that his sharing an ironic/satirical meme image months earlier is proof of conspiracy to commit murder.

  363. Anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:

    Antifa gets away with all kinds of violence and no one says anything.

    There need to be more White, European demonstrations.

    These are not “hateful”. They are push back against the Left which wants to destroy our country.

  364. @David Macko

    However, I have one addition to his final statement. “If only our leaders had the will to rule.”

    why do you presume they don’t have the will?

    i assume people are doing exactly what they want to – for example, there’s a reason the wall never gets built and the illegal aliens never get deported and its not because the politicians don’t have the will, its because they serve someone other than their electorate

  365. Christo says:

    Well, from now on if you are attacked by a mob , better do the Reginald Denny. Don’t think any communists have thought this through.

  366. This Antifa creep looks like his t-shirt.

  367. MacNucc11 says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    poor silly fool, hard way to learn I will grant. Kids need to start paying attention to what is going on.

  368. MacNucc11 says:
    @Bombercommand

    I also believe that Fields is part of this charade. I wonder if Heyer was not killed as part of the staged event. Plots within plots. Her mistake could be that her value to the plotters was as a martyr. She seems like someone who “could” have a heart attack so you drug her to actually have one, or just die, and you have a real event that people will get worked up about. Those who see Fields as a innocent Joe who just happened into this scene on one side and those who feel violent racists maliciously attacked people and killed a woman on the other. Good distraction to keep us all occupied as the crash of all crashes hits the economy.

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