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Perhaps the most successful myth that has been foisted off on a gullible American citizenry is that the education of our children, from kindergarten through high school, is the responsibility of the government. And implicit in that assumption is that the natural rights and duties of the family over the education of its offspring must in nearly all situations take a back seat, must be diminished and not interfere with the prior and dominant role of the state.

By and large, since the mid–20th century this assumption has been considered undebatable truth. No one, not even the most resolute conservatives, will question its basic veracity and the resulting need to continue funding, to shower with taxpayer dollars what has become the most expansive and most successful conquest of the revolutionary managerial state in its advance to complete control over our society.

True, illegal immigration may eventually change the cultural and ethnic make-up of America, and, yes, our overextension in foreign military adventures may get us into unwinnable wars and eventually wreck our economy. But none of that would be possible or successful without the operation of the government-run “public education system” and the ideological indoctrination that the system has progressively engineered over the past century.

That is not to say, certainly, that there haven’t been dedicated teachers or that there haven’t been selfless and dedicated educators and administrators who really did concern themselves with the proper education of our young. My mother was a public school teacher during the 1930s (a graduate of North Carolina State University) who actually went back in the 1960s when I was in high school to get a Master’s degree in reading and teach several additional years. Like thousands of other dedicated teachers, she was no apparatchik or agent of the managerial state, she was not a revolutionary seeking to indoctrinate her students and “free them from the tyranny of racism, sexism, and the traditional family.” She believed in imparting the essentials of those subjects—reading, good writing, simple arithmetic, history, and logic—the teaching of which she understood came to her as a concession from parents. So thought most of my teachers both in grammar and high school, as I suspect believed many, if not most of the teachers half a century ago.

But that, you see, is the problem. Our public education system contained in its very foundation certain principles which would eventually bring it to where it is now. If back when my mother was teaching, the idea that schools were an extension of the family was still held to be true, the ineluctable basis of state/government control was nevertheless implicit…and ever expanding in scope and authority.

How many American citizens would—today—suggest that our public schools are “an extension of the family,” much less really believe that?

Our public education system has, without doubt, become increasingly the major vehicle, the major crucible, for the creation of progressivist revolution—whether it be the very public actions, for example, of those frenzied and unhinged students in Broward County, Florida, reacting (on gun control) after a mass school shooting, or less visibly, the multifaceted efforts at “socialization” of students regarding racism and gender. After all, those rabidly radical college students at Berkeley and other major universities did not just arrive tabula rasa—they were carefully groomed and prepared before college, in our primary and high schools.

In several published articles I have cited and quoted the post-War Between the States Southern writer and philosopher Robert Lewis Dabney [e.g., “Robert Lewis Dabney and His Attack on Progressivism,” The Unz Review, October 9, 2014, , in his famous debate with Virginia’s first Superintendent of Public Instruction William Ruffner in the 1870s. Dabney understood where the mania for taxpayer-funded “public education” would lead, and he warned of its consequences.

Here, summarizing Dabney’s arguments, is what I wrote on May 13, 2018:

“…how is it possible to educate a child if the moral and ethical values of religion are not taught but proscribed, for did not “public education” directly imply such avoidance? Given the developing status of relations between church and state and changing constitutional interpretations, the state could not endorse one religious belief over another. Thus, Dabney observed, state-sponsored education tended to become secularized. But if education were not Christian, then it would inevitably become anti-Christian. Could education really be education if it educated “the mind without purifying the heart?” In Dabney’s view: “There can be no true education without moral culture, and no true moral culture without Christianity.” The Achilles’s Heel of state-supported public education, in addition to its assertion of state rights over parental rights in a child’s education, was its inevitable and systemic use by “demagogues, who are in power for a time, in the interests of their faction.”

“Dabney and the partisans of privately-supported and family-controlled education lost that debate, practically speaking. And with the advent of social and political Progressivism in the early years of the 20th century, public education was seen as a key, in many cases, the key to the future, to better jobs, to success in life, to prosperity, in fact, to real happiness.”

Nevertheless, even with the totem of “free public education” firmly fixed in the public mind as absolutely essential and its centrality in any political election program or campaign—not to mention the billions of dollars to be spent by both local and state authorities and the Federal government—nearly every study, almost every report card on education, both K-through Grade 12 and college, indicates an inverse proportion of results to expenditures. It seems the more money we spend on what is called “education,” the worse our schools and colleges become, at least in those basic skills that the educational process is supposed to implant.

In short, we are paying much more for far less. As Dr. Walter Williams has recently observed, less than four out of ten graduating high school seniors can pass a simple English reading test (and only 17% of black students make the grade). Just 25% of high school seniors are proficient in math. Nevertheless, our high school graduation rate is 80%.

But despite that disastrously failing academic report, for the proponents of progressive public education the past century’s educational history has been extremely successful. For our state-run K-12 educational system has been almost completely converted into an ideological hot house, a Dr. Strangelove laboratory, the graduating products from which become the willing recipients of the cultural Marxist pablum fed to them later on the college level, and the future voters who pull the Democratic voter lever and who militate in the growing armies of those who demand an “end to (white) racism” and “white supremacy,” “full gender equality” (including the full embrace of everything from transgenderism, same sex marriage, to gender fluidity), “open borders” to all immigrants, direct action on supposed “climate change,” and the “suppression of hate speech” (which will mean whatever the latest dominant narrative says it is).

On the college level just in recent months we have heard that at the University of Michigan (and on another 200 campuses), zealous “social justice warrior” students have been instructed by university administrators to report (anonymously of course) if they overhear another student making “racist,” “sexist,” or “homophobic” remarks, even if those conversations are private. And correction will be meted out! Thus, those poorly educated but richly indoctrinated high schoolers, now undergoing the full panoply of Leftist envenomation on the collegiate level, are being turned into newly-minted domestic informants—spies—on their fellows. How does this differ from the worst aspects of Stalin’s Russia? And this is what we get for $20,000 to $50,000 or so a year paid to our colleges to educate our children?

And lest we think this contagion uniquely located just on the “academic Left,” its effects are felt nearly as strongly in what passes for intellectual thought on the conservative “right” among the dominant Neoconservatives, who claim to offer a “conservative alternative” on our college campuses.

Pick just one darling of so-called “conservative college youth,” Ben Shapiro, for example. Shapiro has taken it upon himself to appear on dozens of college campuses where he presents an inherently Leftist (if often disguised as conservative) narrative before such audiences as Young Americas Foundation and the College Republicans.

What does Shapiro offer conservative students? First, their elders must recognize that there is a “conservative generation gap,” and that the GOP must “come to terms” with such things as same sex marriage and marijuana. More, while accepting the “positive” things that President Trump has achieved, the president’s “imbecilities and vile utterances” must be denounced. As he wrote in the Neocon Weekly Standard (May 9, 2018):

Young conservatives [as opposed to their elders], however, are more likely to see Trump as an obstacle to progress….they see him mainly as a club the left can wield against the right in perpetuity—a political monster living under the bed that Democrats can dredge up every time conservatives seem to be making headway. They cite his egregious response to the Charlottesville alt-right march and subsequent terror attack and his willingness to wink and nod at the alt-right during the campaign; they point to his nasty comments regarding women, as well as his penchant for bedding porn stars; they cringe at his reported comments about immigrants and balk at his nearly endless list of prevarications. [“How Conservatives Can Win Back Young Americans”]

Last August 17, 2017, Shapiro wrote that Pat Buchanan, because he did not believe the Neocon assumption that the words in the Declaration of Independence that “all men are created equal” meant absolute equality in birth and opportunity (a demonstrable historical and metaphysical falsehood that the Founders rejected), was “a white supremacist” and racist, and, by implication, an “anti-semite” (surely the coup de grace from Shapiro, who never misses an opportunity to ostentatiously wear his yarmulke and complain that he is, according to the ADL, one of the nation’s top targets of “anti-semitism”) [see: see also the excellent critique of Shapiro at VoxDay, May 25, 2018.

Leftist Slate magazine [January 24, 2018] praises his “reasonable conservatism” and asks: “Is Ben Shapiro a conservative liberals can count on?”

“Shapiro is among a dwindling cadre of Trump-averse conservatives at a time when the mainstream GOP and its media apparatus are following (and sometimes leading) our cretinous president straight into the muck. Shapiro is ascendant, with a growing media empire and a large [youth] audience who adores him. Should there arise a constitutional crisis in which this president attempts to roll his tanks (metaphorical or otherwise) over the ramparts of American democracy, I will be relying on influential right-wing figures like Ben Shapiro to help America hold the line.”

More recently Shapiro tried his hand at influencing the GOP Republican US senate primary in Virginia. He pulled out all stops to defeat conservative Republican candidate Corey Stewart in June 2018. Not only did Stewart’s support for Confederate heritage become a negative issue for Shapiro, but the fact that Stewart would have associated with a former congressional candidate, Paul Nehlen, who later made statements that some observers characterized as anti-Semitic, also became an issue. The implication was that Stewart was a racist through guilt by association, perhaps even a secret anti-semite. This is something one would expect to hear on MSNBC but it seems Neoconservative critics are happy to do the Left’s work for it when it comes to those who speak kindly of the Southern heritage.

How does Shapiro’s extreme ignorance of American history and the American Founding, and his implicit acceptance of the Marxist template on race and gender differ from that of his supposed opponents over on the “farther Left”?

Not much.

Yet “little Ben” has become a major voice, an icon, for “conservative youth,” and an example of academic outreach by the Neoconservatives. But if this is the kind of response of mainstream conservatives to meet the multifaceted educational subversion by the Marxist Left on our college campuses, the battle is lost.

Our current public education system, from kindergarten to university, betrays the inheritance of our Western culture. And the rot begins in the primary and secondary grades, and in the unquestioning support that conservatives give to public education and its bloated bureaucracy which continues to gnaw at the entrails of our culture.

Ignoring this fact, just throwing more money at it, is a recipe for continued subversion and corruption. Heralded college campus appearances by Shapiro, Jonah Goldberg, Milo Yiannopoulos, and others in the name of “free speech” and “presenting a conservative voice” do little to alter the situation, other than make the sponsors and speakers feel good, while confirming the dominant narrative: an infected bandage on a festering cancer that begins in kindergarten and the first grade.

The need is not for “reform,” but for a total dismantling of the system. Things have gone too far for cosmetic applications and another appearance by Ben Shapiro.

 
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  1. If a government wants to ensure every last child has access to education [kindergarten -> uni], then by any and all means, but please leave out all the BS and lies that got shoved into my cranium, during my formative years as an impressionable child…

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Paw
  2. Bubba says:

    Amen Mr. Cathey, amen.

    How in the world can public schools continue to gouge taxpayers with their indoctrination programs and blackmail tactics when any child or adult can access a better, high quality, liberal (in the old sense) education online for a few thousand dollars? Here are two websites – one of which is $179 for unlimited viewing of entire college courses.

    https://www.memoriapress.com

    https://www.thegreatcourses.com

    As for the disgusting Ben Shapiro – he’s a (((Legend))) in his own mind. Him and Jonah Goldberg are the pigs feeding at the “Conservative Inc” trough regurgitating Neocon tripe.

  3. Ben Shapiro has long been a terrible disappointment to me. In the words of the United Negro College Fund, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    • Replies: @JimB
  4. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    less than four out of ten graduating high school seniors can pass a simple English reading test

    Maybe that’s because many schools have cut back on the vital STEM classes so that Holocau$t™ classes–mandatory in some states–are taught to the next generation so the shekels will never stop flowing to the descendants of these hoaxers, some who now complain they SHOAH are in pain, because of the stories their grandparents told them, causing their DNA to alter and keep the pain–and loot–coming their way.

    As for Shapiro, after he vigorously defended the now fired Hollywood director James Gunn, who tweeted thousands of times about the fun there is in pedophilia, scat cookies and other seriously deranged sexual musings involving kids and babies, who can ever take Shapiro at his word ever again?

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/33371/should-james-gunn-have-lost-his-job-disney-ben-shapiro

  5. The idea that there is a groundswell of youthful love for Ben Shapiro … is rather like saying the Dark Web is made up of select Boomer neocons … our mainstream media has proffered both absurdities.

  6. Realist says:

    True, illegal immigration may eventually change the cultural and ethnic make-up of America, and, yes, our overextension in foreign military adventures may get us into unwinnable wars and eventually wreck our economy.

    That happened decades ago.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  7. I was curious about the proficiency assessments do i took a peek. Excuse me those data sets are incorrect. Now granted this is just a single state, and the sets are from a period four years prior.but a look at several yielded similar results.

    https://www.nj.gov/education/schools/achievement/14/hspa/demographic_reports.pdf

    2017 Not great scores, but not quite the mess suggested above.

    https://www.nj.gov/education/schools/achievement/17/parcc/spring/Grade11.pdf

    https://www.nj.gov/education/schools/achievement/17/parcc/spring/AlgebraI.pdf\

    _____________

    I am huge supporter of those who have traditional christian beliefs. But there’s a larger problem in schools that impact proficiency then just that students are not taught in a “chrisitian environemnt.”

    • Replies: @HobbesianM
  8. I’ve seen a few videos by Shapiro & they’re rather good (cannot comment on nuances). Just, he sounds like Donald Duck, and his voice gets on my nerves….

  9. Thank you, Dr Cathey.
    I have always been suspicious of this bumptious young man, and you have added meat to the bones of my sketchy feelings of dislike.
    No one who believes in the idiot idea of human equality is deserving of the name conservative, and those who do not see the nobility of the Southern tradition, nor seek to defend it, are every bit as much unworthy of it.
    The enemy of course is well aware of this, and sees the not so covertly Leftist signalling of Shapiro, Goldberg, and the unmentionable Y as evidence of their ultimate reliability.
    No Pat Buchanan (or Boy Cathey) there!

  10. Anon[575] • Disclaimer says:

    The same foisted-off-on myth or assumption have been held as undebatable realities in Western Europe since after WW2 as well.
    This time I would not point to Trojan horses, rather to democracy. Extending our glance to the entire world, we see that the Anglo world is the only place where such a myth was/has been/still slightly is disputed.

    (On school system matters and how their development connects with democracy, see the famous book by P. Bourdieu.)

  11. The dominance of left-liberal social values in middle and upper class western society can only partly be blamed on state-funded education. In Australia we have record numbers of kids being put into private education, yet society as a whole is more liberal than ever. Similarly, in ex-communist European countries like Hungary and Poland, very few parents can afford to send their kids to private schools yet these countries are enjoying something of a conservative renaissance.

    The frequent use of the word “Marxist” in this article suggests that secular Europe is somehow to blame for the left-liberal nature of modern American education. I suggest the line of causation may just as easily run the other way round. Yankee America, which started liberal education reforms before most other western countries, is to blame for the liberalisation of US, European and Commonwealth education. Among the liberal education reforms popularised by US progressives include:

    -mixed ability classrooms in high school
    -discouraging logical streaming of students and encouraging non-academic students to stay at school until they turn 18
    -abandoning school uniforms and increasing the number of co-ed schools and classes
    -popularising the idea that everyone should go to university
    -government backed student loans and neoliberal education models which focus on making money and satisfying education “consumers” rather than the labour needs of the nation.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @HobbesianM
  12. Dan Hayes says:

    It is a sad commentary on the state of conservative/libertarian “thought” in this country that one of its main up-and-coming spokesman is the likes of Ben Shapiro. It is interesting to compare the career trajectory of Ben versus that of doyen Bill Buckley. Over a long career Buckley gradually morphed into an operational Neoconservative while Shapiro’s trajectory cut out the middleman to arrive forthwith as a spanky coronated Neocon!

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  13. Little Ben has a wit that is often entertaining and diverts from the message of surrender that comes along with it.

  14. @Realist

    “Change ethnic makeup”

    You’d have to have been out of the United States since 1999 to see how Amerindianized the US has become as a result of illegal immigration.

    “Unwinnable wars”

    A child born the year the US invaded Afghanistan can get into the Navy this year with his Dad’s permission. A two-decade war. Iraq really seemed to have bankrupted the US though. No oil, power vacuum etc.

    …Well just compare the US now to when Clinton was in office.

    • Replies: @Iberiano
  15. Jake says:

    “Our public education system contained in its very foundation certain principles which would eventually bring it to where it is now.”

    True.

    And that is true of the entirety of WASP culture. Its Judaizing heresy base was the seed from which the rest would grow. Its growth, as its more astute theological and philosophical first opponents asserted, would produce endless waves of blows to whatever remained of Christendom.

    WASP culture, erected upon a Judaizing hatred of all peoples and cultures more truly conservative in terms of the development of Christendom and, naturally, a faith in might makes right, was born to develop into this self-righteous horror and freak show that presages and accompanies the suicide of the West.

  16. A great article except for one tiny disagreement I have on the issue of climate change.

    It used to be radical writers of the Left like Ivan Illich who led the critique of western education. Basil Bernstein too.

    I can’t remember the source of the quotation but I recall back in my teaching days writing a sociology examination question along the lines of the following:

    “The purpose of education is to teach children their place in society and to sit still in it.” Discuss.

    The critique of education comes no more from the Left, unless it is in the form of a whinge about not having enough gender rubbish or there being too much mathematics, a state of affairs which promotes the use of reasoning and which therefore privileges intelligent white males over other groups and furthers the interests the Patriarchy.

  17. Jake says:

    What would archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell think of Ben Shapiro? How would Cromwell respond to a Ben Shapiro?

    Ally with him, of course.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  18. vinteuil says:

    With apologies to Nietzsche:

    In America one must rehabilitate oneself after every little emancipation from liberalism by showing in a veritably awe-inspiring manner what an anti-racist one is.

  19. Jason Liu says:

    But what can you do about it? Dismantling the system as in, not having public education? That will never happen.

    Public schooling always leans far left, even in China where the government keeps it on a tight leash. Homeschooling is not a large scale solution, only a shelter for a small minority of people (homeschooling is also illegal in many countries and can be feasibly criminalized in places where it isn’t).

    What the world needs is a new cultural approach to academia so it won’t become leftist echo chambers in the first place. Some suggestions:

    1. 50/50 quotas for male/female teachers. Much of SJW idiocy comes from too many frumpy cat lady teachers, especially at younger ages.

    2. Reduction of useless courses that fuel leftist radicalism. This can be rationalized with funding issues or failing to prepare young people for future careers. (See: Japan, Malaysia)

    3. Organized nationalist youth movements with national networks to balance out youth liberalism (See: Turkey, India)

    4. Tacit government regulation of “approved” courses, usually leaning towards well established, traditional fields. No funding for courses that fall outside this definition. (See: China, Vietnam, Indonesia)

    5. Paternalism. An broad understanding that the more developed a society becomes, the slower children grow up mentally, thereby justifying running colleges more like high school (i.e. less tolerance for youth “activism” and other radicals.)

    6. Culture of STEM supremacy. A social rejection of useless left leaning humanities fields, as in ridiculing and not hiring people with those degrees. (Humanities and soft sciences are legitimate fields, just not when practiced by equalists)

    You don’t need to be an authoritarian society to implement these things, just politically savvy and courageous. Trump could try and influence some things, but neither he or his average supporter seem to realize just how much academia is responsible for leftism.

  20. Sbaker says:

    I lived this nightmare transformation as a STEM field scientist and watched as liberal farts criminals and campus lawyers forced the submission of all students, faculty and staff. Forced annual training and testing on all faculty and staff or lose your job has become the norm. It is a requirement to report all suspicious conversations and rumors to campus lawyers. This paragraph sums it all up: Education in a nutshell in US, China and Russia. The lawyers say all students must be good spies. But despite that disastrously failing academic report, for the proponents of progressive public education the past century’s educational history has been extremely successful. For our state-run K-12 educational system has been almost completely converted into an ideological hot house, a Dr. Strangelove laboratory, the graduating products from which become the willing recipients of the cultural Marxist pablum fed to them later on the college level, and the future voters who pull the Democratic voter lever and who militate in the growing armies of those who demand an “end to (white) racism” and “white supremacy,” “full gender equality” (including the full embrace of everything from transgenderism, same sex marriage, to gender fluidity), “open borders” to all immigrants, direct action on supposed “climate change,” and the “suppression of hate speech” (which will mean whatever the latest dominant narrative says it is).

    On the college level just in recent months we have heard that at the University of Michigan (and on another 200 campuses), zealous “social justice warrior” students have been instructed by university administrators to report (anonymously of course) if they overhear another student making “racist,” “sexist,” or “homophobic” remarks, even if those conversations are private. And correction will be meted out! Thus, those poorly educated but richly indoctrinated high schoolers, now undergoing the full panoply of Leftist envenomation on the collegiate level, are being turned into newly-minted domestic informants—spies—on their fellows. How does this differ from the worst aspects of Stalin’s Russia? And this is what we get for $20,000 to $50,000 or so a year paid to our colleges to educate our children?

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  21. bjondo says:

    Yes, Shapiro is a Trojan Horse , a part of the Yid spectrum. Have a Yid here, here, here and there. Cover all non-Yid bases. Prominence guaranteed by Yid stream media

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    , @Them Guys
  22. Iberiano says:

    Why didn’t Ben Shapiro serve his country in the early 2000′s when he was of the appropriate age and education and could have served as an officer, even…but instead he choose to recommend and publicly cheer other men go to fight in Iraq. He could have enlisted, or, upon gradation, been an officer (infantry) or been a JAG for that matter.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2005/08/10/why-war-in-iraq-is-right-for-america-n1216871

    From his bio:

    “He graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from the University of California, Los Angeles in 2004, at age 20, with a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and then cum laude from Harvard Law School in 2007. He then practiced law at Goodwin Procter. As of March 2012 he ran an independent legal consultancy firm, Benjamin Shapiro Legal Consulting, in Los Angeles.”

    • Replies: @Dillon Sweeny
    , @bjondo
  23. Iberiano says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I remember the whole “we invaded Iraq for the oil” back in the early 9o’s, during and after the Gulf War…of course, all that cheap oil never materialized…it was rinse and repeat in the early 00′s…

    We get nothing but improved prosthetic technology from each successive war.

  24. I like being a conservative. I mean I really have come to grasp it’s deep implications. And here you are utterly missing the point

    The trojan horse as you call it is not a culture without god o even one that that embraces marxism. It is the notion that a violent revolution such as what we embrace in the US was in any manner justified, one can celebrate independence, but should call into question the veracity of the revolution itself.

    There are times when violence was absolutely required — no question about it. But a close examination of the details suggest that our founders were premature and examining the rhetoric at the time for war as solution suggests that they were none to conservative.

    Adding to the eventual “rot” as you claim was not the growing state, but instead, the pervasive and consistent hypocrisy. It is fact the legacies of those hypocrisies, in which opponents destructive ideology rides. They too want to dismantle, deconstruct, remove, silence, overhaul the system.

    If you are prepared to consider what conservative orthodoxy is, against the backdrop of who or what the country is – fine. But if you are going to to do the dance of a myriad of platforms, by which to beat the drums of conservative deconstruction, having offered nothing with which to replace it — in my view, you are advocating that which you critique.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  25. Can I just say that, while agreeing with your overall premise, Ben Shapiro is not an icon for young conservatives today.

    Young conservatives are the most restrictive around immigration. We see how the flood of aliens both legal and illegal is destroying our future. Baby Boomers bumble around saying “I’m colorblind” but young people don’t have that luxury.

    The alt right is far more popular than Ben. The only thing is that nobody will admit that – Ben is like a front where young people can SAY “I’m not alt-right, I’m just a Ben Shapiro fan he doesn’t even like Trump” but in reality young people are far more woke than you give them credit for.

    (Note that I say alt right, but there’s not much of a concrete definition).

    As for gay marriage and marijuana… yes I believe the right has to move forward on that. A joint won’t even affect you if you’re over 25.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  26. anarchyst says:

    Here is food for thought, especially for those who support “public education” and rally about the doctrine of “socialization” that they claim is lacking in “homeschooled” children.
    Let’s look at what “public education” has to offer:
    1. Cliques and rampant bullying, quite often the victims of bullying are punished more harshly for fighting back. Many times, bullies are part of a “protected” class–racial minorities, jocks, etc. There is strong official disapproval of students making friends outside their grade level. “Peer pressure” is used to push conformity.
    2. Teachers that don’t teach reading writing and arithmetic. Pushing communist principles such as rabid environmentalism, blaming humanity for conditions beyond our control as well as pushing “communitarianism” (“it takes a village”)–actually communism. This also ties in with teacher-recommended feminizing and drugging (mostly boys) to make them “less fidgety” and more compliant–all for the “benefit” of the teacher.
    3. Non-existent moral guidance…the communist concept of “values clarification”, allowing each student to set his own moral standard with no discussion permitted as to guidelines. A student dare not mention God or the Bible in “public school”–not permitted…discussing Islam and Judaism is OK…even field trips to mosques and synagogues are encouraged.
    4. Sex education that normalizes homosexuality, transgenderism and other deviant practices, actually encouraging deviant behavior and downplaying and marginalizing heterosexuality and abstinence.
    5. Insane zero tolerance practices, punishing students for pop-tarts shaped like guns or a student having an “unauthorized aspirin” or plastic butter knife. Of course, abortions and birth control are available without parental notification.
    6. Lockdowns and backpack/locker searches by police utilizing “drug dogs”, getting the upcoming generation used to random unconstitutional searches. Quite often, students are “roughed up” by “school resource officers”…just because they can…Lockdowns should be reserved for prisons–not schools…
    Since these “socialization” practices seem to be the norm in our “public education” systems, parents who send their children to these dysfunctional “indoctrination centers” are guilty of child abuse…
    Children who are homeschooled actually do much better in life as they are comfortable with people of all ages. True socialization takes place outside the classroom.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @Barbarossa
  27. Z-man says:

    Pick just one darling of so-called “conservative college youth,” Ben Shapiro, for example. Shapiro has taken it upon himself to appear on dozens of college campuses where he presents an inherently Leftist (if often disguised as conservative) narrative before such audiences as Young Americas Foundation and the College Republicans.

    I hope most of these Young Republican Dorks can see who this Shapiro is.
    Shapiro, a face you just want to punch, and punch with devastation.

  28. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Shapiro is more popular with boomers. He makes them believe their brand of (neo)conservatism remains popular with the younger generations.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
  29. Lit Dog says:

    Dabney’s arguments of the 1870s may not have been the first time opponents of public education noted the inherent incompatibility of freedom of religion and state education. I believe Sam Blumenfeld’s 1981 book, Is Public Education Necessary?, traces that critique back to those arguing against Horace Mann. Blumenfeld himself points a finger at the Unitarian takeover of Harvard in the early nineteenth century for introducing the idea of state-controlled education.

    Though meritorious, theoretical arguments didn’t work because the power structure opposed them. Today, the media, churches, and academia itself are united in political correctness and pushing the poz so bad that we even have “conservatives” like Shapiro telling us to roll over for gay marriage.

    The NFL may point the way forward. Fans by the millions have turned against the NFL because they’ve come to realize that the NFL is against them. We need to show more Americans that the public schools are also against them. A good place to start is by noting that your state university’s stars of today are tomorrow’s anti-White protestors in the NFL.

  30. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    My guess is that this one would remain a challenging read, but could you please take a few minutes to proofread your comments? Reading them aloud will help with phrasing and punctuation, and perhaps with substantive clarity.

  31. The government controlled dept of education may as well be called the dept of uneducation as that is what it has become ie an instrument to dumb down the students so that they are taught the government brand of history which is slanted to support big brothers wars and deceit and to leave the students without knowledge of the true facts.

    As in Orwells 1984 history is daily being rewitten and the truth demolished on every facet 0f American life especially the causes of the wars and our money system ie the FED a privately zionist own money creation scam which creates money out of thin air and loans this ether created money to the gov thus creating unpayable trillions in debt and all the while the American people are in the dark about this.

    America has become Orwells Oceania.

  32. Mike1 says:

    One thing that puzzles me is how weak the concept of the fake conservative is. There is the “RINO” acronym but there are clearly a lot of left wing figures who have an actual job of posing as conservatives. Ana Navarro, Jeff Flake, John McCain, David Brooks and many others are clearly not in any way conservatives.

  33. @Iberiano

    Why didn’t Ben Shapiro serve his country in the early 2000′s when he was of the appropriate age and education and could have served as an officer,

    I spent 2 years in the US Atlantic fleet, and 2 years teaching electronics to enlisted. In four years active, I encountered ONE Jew in US uniform.

  34. @anonymous

    My guess is that this one would remain a challenging read, but could you please take a few minutes to proofread your comments? Reading them aloud will help with phrasing and punctuation, and perhaps with substantive clarity.

    LOL. Shaken, not stirred!

  35. Shapiro … has the entire Western current events narrative become the domain of Jewish people. It seems criticism of Trump nearly always begins with an editorial or news story by a Jewsish “journalist.”. Have the Gentiles completely ceded the narrative to them? The media is now a big Jewish echo chamber.

    • Replies: @Dillon Sweeny
  36. bjondo says:
    @Iberiano

    As that “great american”, Bill Kristol, on C-span, said to caller (more or less), “I had friends who served (McCain, ?). I served in other ways (pushing wars for your boys).”

    I came across 2 Jew in military: rabbi and a psych. One to make sure kosher cos have business deals with govt and the other to make sure everyone does their share of killing Israel’s enemies.

    Go by commissary dumpster to see where kosher products go. No one to buy except rabbi and psych.

  37. @Iberiano

    The Bush dynasty was the end of the WASP elite with their Dow Jones and Oil company cabal. They’re gone.

    Saddam Hussein sank them, not that he gave a shit about doing anything but lording over a toilet bowl dictatorship.

    Iraq was the end of the WASP elite with their Skull & Bones stuff and their yachts and the importance of a Puritan pedigree.

    • Replies: @hyperbola
    , @Anon
  38. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I knew Schapiro when he was an undergrad. He was just an Israeli lobbyist with a bit of NR fuddy duddy conservatism thrown in.

    • Replies: @Meimou
  39. @bjondo

    Shapiro is playing the old “Good Cop” to his fellow Jews’ “Bad Cop”. Call this game “Good Yid, Bad Yid”.

  40. @Sir Launcelot Canning

    Have the Gentiles completely ceded the narrative to them? The media is now a big Jewish echo chamber.

    Jews own the media, virtually all of it. They hire only other Jews (family & friends), some token negroes, token Asians, and token Americans.

    Tokens are well-paid, and they say what they’re paid to say, or out they go.

    Jewish control of media is almost fully extended into the heartland, where small privately-owned TV and radio stations once abounded.

    No more. The takeover is complete. Note that CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX run the same stories, over and over, and rant ceaselessly against the “Deplorable” Phantom Menace. Same words, same themes, same perpetual hate for anything off-message.

    You will believe, you will say you believe, you will speak that belief and no other..

  41. If you really want to change anything, you’ve got to cut off the money.

    The education establishment in this country is a multi-trillion dollar racket symbiotically joined to the Deep State and operating on various fronts, from lavish and woefully underfunded teachers’ pensions to the gigantic federal student loan program. The latter is especially pernicious, as it skews the entire supply-demand equation for higher education. The price of a college degree is no longer based on what the average qualified applicant can afford out of his own earnings and savings, but on as much as any applicant—qualified or not—can possibly borrow. This is nothing but a classic asset bubble fueled by credit expansion, and the result has been that the price of a college degree has inflated at a rate many times faster than the general price level. The universities, for their part, are happy to soak up these vast streams of liquidity, which they use to build swank new dormitories and rec centers, and to fund the $50 million/yr football program. In the meantime, the millions upon millions of hapless students who have drank at the student loan trough—which, if I recall correctly, now amounts to a total of $1.3 trillion outstanding—become debt slaves for the rest of their lives.

    I have no great pity for the students, since the majority of them generally bought into the whole charade and they or (especially) their parents should have known better; but this sort of toxic financialization of the education system is poisoning the culture and doing great structural damage to the nation as a whole, and it has to be stopped. It is completely unsustainable in any case. The only question before us is, how much damage are we going to allow it to do before we finally muster up the will to reverse course?

    The first and highest goal should be to shut down the federal student loan program and to liquidate the Department of Education. This sounds like a very tall order, but even a small political opposition to it can have out-sized results as long as it is vocal and persistent enough. We should strive to remove elementary and high school education from the federal purview and to make it locally funded and locally controlled. Any gains in this direction would be beneficial. College admissions should be limited to at most the top 10% of academic performers, and this expectation needs to be enforced very early and consistently throughout each student’s career. If you want to go to college, you had better have the will, drive, and talent to be part of the elite; otherwise, plan on making other arrangements with your life. Young women should be discouraged from pursuing higher education at all except in truly exceptional cases. Their primary role in life consists in winning good husbands, making good homes, and bearing healthy children, and they need to be trained to compete and succeed at that.

    Finally, the scope of all that occurs at a modern university needs to be drastically shrank and the vast majority of jobs which currently require a college degree need to be converted to a training and vetting process which proceeds via apprenticeships, guilds, and board certifications; and that, by the way, includes the STEM jobs. I do not agree with those on this forum who depreciate the humanities and who opine that a rigorous focus on STEM must be made the mainstay of higher education. The truth of the matter is quite the contrary. Philosophy is the highest, purest, noblest, and most difficult of all intellectual pursuits. It includes both higher mathematics and theoretical physics among its many sub-disciplines, whereas tech jobs like engineering and programming are simply craft-arts that would be better learned by apprenticeship.

    There are two and only two constructive purposes which higher education could possibly serve, and neither one of them is what we would call “practical” in the sense that STEM is touted to be in contrast to the humanities. The first such purpose is to provide a home for the nobility of the intellect. The university must be a place where the deepest and most sublime minds can go to think their highest thoughts, to develop their talents to the full without the noise and pressure of the quotidian life. By inviting the quotidian life into the university itself, we are destroying the whole spirit of the place. The second purpose is to provide a training ground for the political elite, to prepare them for the hard tasks of managing a nation, breeding upon them a deep love for their own history and people, and fortifying them with a pool of the very best ministers and advisers.

    A happy court of great men elite in every sense, not a jobs program—that is the real essence of higher education. To depart from this only diminishes us all.

    • Replies: @Anon
  42. @anonymous

    As always, I own by notoriously poor writing.

    However, should you need me to answer some quandary — feel free to ask, And let’s not hide behind behind, my lack of writing skills to avoid asking.

    Gere’s the author’s point,

    “Our public education system has, without doubt, become increasingly the major vehicle, the major crucible, for the creation of progressivist revolution . . .”

    That is the very platform on which the country is built. Save that the debates about revolution consisted of actually “tar and feathering” conservative thinkers.

  43. Cleburne says:
    @Jake

    Cromwell ally with Ben Shapiro?

    Jake, interested in seeing you “prove” this thesis.

    As annoying as Wally can be, he at least provides links. Your monomania is unlinkable because you are mostly wrong. You’ve yet to show any evidence Cromwell was a tool of the rabbis.

  44. … the “farther Left”?

    As schoolmarms such as Mrs Cathey might have noted, that should be “further Left”.

    Dabney understood where the mania for taxpayer-funded “public education” would lead, and he warned of its consequences.

    He was born too late to warn the founder of the University of Virginia, though. Seven of the eight future “Ivies” were private institutions founded by one church or another. The other, Cornell, was the first secular private college in the US. (Cornell U is so young that Cornell College in Iowa can brag that it’s several years older.)

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  45. “Tell me what I have to say and do in order to get the paycheque.”

    That is what passes as education in modern times. You cannot get to treating unborn children as indistinguishable from diseased appendixes or sodomy as marriage before crossing the bridge of an acceptance of cynicism as education.

    It will change when truth/ love is prized more than what money can buy.

  46. Thomm says:

    In other news, prominent NorCal White Nationalist Kevin Crawford Kraft managed to get arrested yet again in July 2018 :

    http://mugshotssantacruz.com/search/?last_name=KRAFT&first_name=KEVIN&#prof

    He can barely go 90 days without an arrest. If you dig deeper, most of his crimes are very crude, such as armed robbery, having sex in public, assault with a deadly weapon, etc.

    • Troll: Mike P
  47. hyperbola says:

    How does Shapiro’s extreme ignorance of American history and the American Founding, and his implicit acceptance of the Marxist template on race and gender differ from that of his supposed opponents over on the “farther Left”?

    Shapiro is another of the israel-first, dual citizen traitors to America that function as gatekeepers for the alt-right. We should send him off to do alijah rather than listening to his anit-American rubbish.

    The Radical Evil Of The Palestinian Arab Population
    By Ben Shapiro

    https://www.creators.com/read/ben-shapiro/06/07/the-radical-evil-of-the-palestinian-arab-population

  48. hyperbola says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The Bush/WASP “dynasty” of “Skull and Bones” was originated by the jewish narcotraffickers of Russell & Co., the biggest opium merchants of 19th century US (and still the trustees of S&B). Kerry (of the Forbes family) is of the same provenance. These days the opium trading sect has directly taken over the US.

    HSBC Bank : Secret Origins To 26/11 Mumbai Attacks

    http://greatgameindia.com/hsbc-bank-secret-origins-to-2611-mumbai-attacks/

    …. For years, when banks have been caught laundering drug money, they have claimed that they did not know, that they were but victims of sneaky drug dealers and a few corrupt employees. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that a considerable portion of the global banking system is explicitly dedicated to handling the enormous volume of cash produced daily by dope traffickers….

  49. hyperbola says:
    @Cleburne

    Jewish banishment and the City of London

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=32142

    ….JEWISH BANKERS FROM AMSTERDAM led by the Jewish financier and army contractor of Cromwell’s New Model Army, Fernandez Carvajal and assisted by Portuguese Ambassador De Souza, a Marano (secret Jew), saw an opportunity to exploit in the civil unrest led by Oliver Cromwell in 1643.

    A stable Christian society of ancient traditions binding the Monarchy, Church, State, nobles and people into one solemn bond was disrupted by Calvin’s Protestant uprising. The Jews of Amsterdam exploited this civil unrest and made their move. They contacted Oliver Cromwell in a series of letters:

    Cromwell To Ebenezer Pratt of the Mulheim Synagogue in Amsterdam,
    16th June 1647:
    — “In return for financial support will advocate admission of Jews to England: This however impossible while Charles living. Charles cannot be executed without trial, adequate grounds for which do not at present exist. Therefore advise that Charles be assassinated, but will have nothing to do with arrangements for procuring an assassin, though willing to help in his escape.” —

    To Oliver Cromwell From Ebenezer Pratt, 12th July 1647:
    — “Will grant financial aid as soon as Charles removed and Jews admitted. Assassination too dangerous. Charles shall be given opportunity to escape: His recapture will make trial and execution possible. The support will be liberal, but useless to discuss terms until trial commences.” —

    Cromwell had carried out the orders of the Jewish financiers and beheaded, (yes, Cromwell and his Jewish sponsors must face Christ!), King Charles I on January 30 1649.

    Beginning in 1655, Cromwell, through his alliance with the Jewish bankers of Amsterdam and specifically with Manasseh Ben Israel and his brother-in-law, David Abravanel Dormido, initiated the resettlement of the Jews in England.
    (See Sources #2 Below )

    JEWS GET THEIR CENTRAL BANK OF ENGLAND…..

    Sources #2: Isaac Disraeli, Life of Charles I, 1851; Hugh Ross Williamson, Charles and Cromwell; AHM Ramsey, The Nameless War; Lord Alfred Douglas, Plain English, 1921; Geoffrey H. Smith, The Settlement Of Jews In England

    • Replies: @Cleburne
    , @Cleburne
  50. “… to shower with taxpayer dollars …”

    This is a critically important point which needs some further elaboration, IMO.

    A large part of the funding for our communist indoctrination centers comes from taxation of property, which is completely out of control in many states.

    And confiscatory property taxation, especially regarding taxes on residential property, is not only an important means to an end – which is to provide essentially unlimited funding for “schools” – but it is an important end in itself; i.e., “the abolition of property in land…” is the very first tenet of Marx’ communist manifesto.

    The Founders and Framers believed that ownership of property, especially the property that people need to exist such as land and shelter, is a God-given natural right. And ownership of land, from which comes food, water and shelter, empowers the individual, which impliedly limits state power.

    And our communist masters who seek to elevate the state above God, MUST attack property rights if they are to destroy this society as per their Satanic agenda. This is why they hate “preppers” so much, for example. In the communist “mind”, self-sufficiency is tantamount to a treasonous crime against the state. This is why you’ll generally never see a communist ideologue criticizing the outrageous salaries and benefits of many “educators” and “administrators” which are calculatingly driving this society to ruin.

  51. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    That is why, like the German Christians, when the US forces homeschoolers into the school, we will be seeing Christian Americans seeking asylum in Russia./

  52. A few years ago when Israel was bombing the civilian population of Palestine with U.S. made fighter bombers, Ben Shapiro made a political commercial for Stop Hamas Now (a rabid Israeli political organization) in which he said it was OK for the Israeli warplanes to bomb Palestinian families because they were being used as (warning: propaganda alert) human shields. I heard this paid for political commercial on AM 870 radio in Los Angeles, a notorious war propaganda radio station which broadcasts Israeli war propaganda to the peaceful American Jewish communities.

    This paid for commercial expresses his true colors. Stop trying to pin him as a conservative or a liberal or whatever. He is a self-described terrorist working for a foreign country.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  53. Cleburne says:
    @hyperbola

    Sorry, that’s complete bullshit. It’s sad that the author of these fake letters didn’t even have the intelligence to try faking 17th century rhetoric/diction/spelling.

  54. Cleburne says:
    @hyperbola

    Sorry, that’s all complete bullshit. It’s sad that the author of these fake letters didn’t even have the intelligence to try faking 17th century rhetoric/diction/spelling.

    Jake has a point about US WASPs, which as a Southerner I despise like Satan. However, his (and your) efforts to lay the blme at Cromwell’s stoop damages your argument and credibility, because it’s inaccurate. Cromwell was first and foremost an English nationalist — a typical country gentleman —who objected to the foreign influences at Charles’ court.

    Why can’t you and Jake just start with Theodore Parker?

    • Replies: @hyperbola
  55. Wally says:
    @Cleburne

    said:
    “As annoying as Wally can be, he at least provides links.”

    IOW, the truth ‘annoys’ Cleburne.

    Today’s quote:

    Why go to the expense, use valuable war time resources, manpower, troops, fuel and incredibly critical trains, etc, to ship Jews to laughably alleged ‘extermination camps’ just to kill them with a pesticide in alleged ‘gas chambers’ which could not have worked as alleged when penny apiece bullets would have done the job at much closer locations.

    And look at the locations of the alleged ‘death camps’. Right next to major towns which would seen what was going on, IF the impossible narrative was factual.

    And that’s just part of debunking The Big Lie.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  56. @flashlight joe

    HAMAS is a MOSSAD front used as an agent provocateur to destroy the Palestine people.

  57. @Cleburne

    THE JEWS PRESENT BEGGING LETTERS TO CROMWELL
    Various Jews made begging petitions to Oliver Cromwell to get him to revoke the Edict of Expulsion; but Cromwell, being only a commoner, could not revoke a royal edict and knew this. In February 1658 Cromwell is said to have made an oral commitment to Antonio Fernandes Cavajal, the leader of the Jews (buried under the name of Abraham in the Jews’ cemetery, London 1659), assuring his protection. This was in defiance of the recommendations of the council that the Jews should only be permitted the standing of ordinary aliens. This is the situation today (lecture by Lucien Wolf to the Jews College Literary Society in 1877).

    Joan Comay, wife of the Israeli Ambassador to the Court of St. James and to the United Nations wrote in her book Who’s Who in Jewish History After the Period of the Old Testament, published in 1974:

    Manasseh [ben Israel] returned to Holland in October 1657, deeply distressed at what he considered to be the failure of his mission. Cromwell remained on friendly terms with him and granted him a pension of £100 a year. Although Edward I’s edict of expulsion was not formally revoked as Manasseh had hoped, the resumption of Jewish worship achieved the same practical result. The edict has actually not been revoked to this day.

    Because of the expulsion of the Jews from Europe, the Jews sent an appeal for advice to the Sanhedrin on the 13th of January 1489. The reply came back from the Prince of the Jews in Constantinople. It advised the Jews of Europe to adopt the tactics of the Trojan Horse: to make their sons Christian priests, lawyers, doctors etc. and to destroy the Christian structure from within. Thus, by 1990, we have had one known Bah-Mitzvahed bishop in the Church of England, Bishop Hugh Montefiore, numerous Jewish Queen’s Counsels in the legal profession and at least seven foreign Jews in the House of Lords.

    It may be disputed that these old edicts have fallen into disuse and are no longer applicable. At a celebration to commemorate the conquering of England by William Duke of Normandy in 1066 held at Caen, the Mayor of Bordeaux assured all those present that the town of Bordeaux had faithfully paid the levy on wine placed on the town throughout the whole period of 900 years. An attempt had been made to have the levy annulled but this could not be done since the Queen of England is still Duke of Normandy, and Count of Aquitaine.

    Israel Moses Sieff with his Political and Economic Planning (P.E.P.) tried to get rid of ancient territorial boundaries for the new county councils. Although the new county councils are in operation, all law officers functioning in Lancashire are appointed by the Duchy and County Palatine of Lancaster and not by the Lord Chancellor of Parliament. The courts are Duchy courts and all offences are against the Duke’s peace. The County Palatine of the Duchy of Lancaster is outwith the jurisdiction of parliament under the wills of Henry II, Henry III and Henry IV, and certain acts of parliament are inapplicable within the Duchy. A similar position is found in the Principality and County Palatine of Durham.

    Being prohibited aliens by the Edict of Expulsion Jews have no right to sit in our houses of parliament, nor on our local government councils. They have no right to be in the judiciary nor to hold office in the executive of government nor in the police force. All purported laws and purported acts of parliament in which Jews have taken part in the voting are illegal, unconstitutional: null and void.

    Contrary to the Statutes of Praemunire traitors we elect to parliament have allowed the Jews to establish an Imperium in Imperio, the ‘Board of Jewish Deputies,’ which have gained to themselves powers to influence the policies of British governments to their own universal advantage. The Daily Telegraph of 19th January 1972 stated: “The Zionist Congress is the head of the world’s political movement.” World’s Works – Inner Mountain Jewish News on 1st March 1976 stated:

    This world organization has a highly centralized form of government, this consists of an international committee including representatives from all countries that have a local organization. But the real control is vested in what is known as the Inner Actions Council. This is a compact body of only seven men and it is dominated by the Jews of Europe.

    http://www.heretical.com/mkilliam/treason.html

    http://www.heretical.com/british/jew-laws.html

    http://www.heretical.com/british/jewlegal.html

    https://www.resist.com/Onlinebooks/TheNamelessWar.pdf

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  58. Them Guys says:
    @Dan Hayes

    I watched some of a three hour long sunday CSPAN tv feature show that was all three hrs of just shapiro and the cspan interviewer guy. I was unable to view more than 1/2 hour or so before I switched back to western cowboy shows.

    Almost every second sentence by ben shapiro was another glowing praise of the Talmud and Jewishness. Just the most jewy jew spew one can picture. And yes he wore his skull cap so every tv viewer will know bens a jews jew. Constant spewing of how Talmudic ideals far surpass gentiles and how great jews are etc etc etc.

    I never prior knew much of him, then after viewing that cspan show a bit, I noticed many others on many website forums also highly praising ben shapiro as some type wonderment of necon repubs. Every time I tried to alert such folks about Talmudic issues and whats written in Talmud about Them and Christianity all they did was the expected vile name calls at me for speaking truth.

    Todays repubs and conservatives majority have been fully hoodwinked and brainwashed by guys like shapiro and Jonah Goldberg and that goofy faggot milo.

    We are seeing an expanded version played out by todays neocon repubs in seeking voters, of what began at first as mainly attempts at convincing Black voters to switch from dem to repub votes.

    Now after 50-60 yrs of total abject failures of seeking black voters and barely achieving an extra, maybe, perhaps, one percentage point more than past negro repub votes were counted at. The stupid party of zero spine bones has morphed and is courting every possible goofy as a three dollar bill, jewish neocon speaker and writer, to convince every even more goofy yet dykes, fags, tranny gender clowns, negroes (still!) and illegal Mexican votes. To switch votes from dems to repubs.

    This too will fail badly, and same as how 50+ yrs of doing every possible negro ass kissing agenda or policy neocon repubs can conjure up, has only served to cause 50-Million White voters to exit voter booths and exit repub party in droves. This new play ball with every goofy unamerican, ungodly, unnatural, crazed agenda and issue and types of clown peoples Marxist leftys and Hollywood can invent next, to play up to masses of dumbed down via schools vote getter attempt will fail worse yet.

    I think most folks cannot stand to sit and listen for more than a few seconds to lispy faggy speaking promoters of anything. And when it comes to manly dykes and loony eyed lezbos its even worse yet.

    Repubs have taken a huge Golden oportunity of the century, and wasted it fully. They Knew and Know that america is still an aprox 2/3rds majority whites, and that many more than half are really fed up and getting ready to blow a gasket soon. Yet instead of simply admitting that “Hey white folks we admit we made a huge mistake going after never going to happen black dem votes, and black lefty ideals and agendas for so long, and we are truely sorry for so long neglecting our largest potential voter base in america…So…We learned a lesson and will change our tune and support you white voters who are the very stock of the founders and builders of this nation.”

    Nope, stupid party opps keep going opposite and think by getting more jewy jews like shapiro on board, and appearing on every tv show to bash and blame whiteys as if they really were one with negroes and ilegals like two peas in a pod alike with minorities, then as soon as next election cycle, repubs will sweep elections and put to end forever the dem party and dems wil fade away into gone for good land. Well News Flash repbs, who ever the fuck convinced you that you do not need whitey votes yet still can win handsomly at most every district elections, and destroy dem party for good this way is even goofyer and stupider than you guys. Keep going to goldberg and shapiro for more Talmudic based advice and its going to be bye bye repub party long prior to demise of dem party.

    I wish it were not so, as I despise dem party members and voters. It is what it is though, and repubs allowing self chozen, self lover jewy jews like shapiro to dictate agendas, and bring baggage like fag boy milo along is a recipie for disaster and loss of yet more potential white voters.

    I am going back to not voting and that way I can remain honest and say I never gave My authority to those fraud elected officials to do every possible thing bad and wrong. I need a lapel button like that “I Voted” button pin, only mine needs to state “Don’t Blame Me I didn’t vote”!

    Just wait until talmud fanatics like shapiro begin promoting a national retrun to Baal worship and A Retrun to first Born sacrafices to Moloch eh!….Neocon repubs will go wild and praise that too I bet…Weekly Standard and National Review writers can slobber and drool all over it, their type writers can pump out articles on virtues of sacrifical baby deaths via Moloch, the jewish talmudic god of fire deaths!…Sen. McCain, “Vote for Me and I promice to erect and fund the biggest ever brass statue of Moloch, jews fire god, even taller that their devils pitchfork aka minorah at whitehouse!” Indeed why waste unborn babies via abortion, when instead you can make every baby death count as a godly blessing by throwing your first born unto the blazeing red hot arms of the jew fire god Moloch, just like talmudic judaic jews did in Babylon! Eeeehaaa let the negro jungle bongos begin playing a tune.

    Free Popsicles and Candy to every neocon pro molach voter!….Who needs any whitey votes right.

    What went so wrong with America?…Answer: Liberals, niggers, and jews. That I can vote for eh.

  59. JimB says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    Or to quote Dan Quayle in an address to the United Negro College Fund: “What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.”

  60. bjondo says:
    @Cleburne

    You’ve yet to show any evidence Cromwell was a tool of the rabbis.

    Where did Jake make this claim? I couldn’t find it.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  61. There are many great flaws in American public education. The fact that it does not really educate, so that half of college classes are in effect remedial (teach things that the students should have learned in school, but didn’t) is at least as important a concern as that it indoctrinates.

    The great majority of humans on Earth are not Christians (Chinese and Indians each outnumber Christians, so do non-Chinese and non-Indian Buddhists). Does the author believe that these people have no moral culture? There was no Christianity for thousands of years of human history. Does the author believe that there was no moral culture back then?

    The author who believes these two things should be committed to a mental institution for life.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  62. @Them Guys

    This is one of the all time great rants. Thank you.

  63. Art says:

    “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” Vladimir Lenin

    Ben Shapiro is a Zionist who puts a Jew spin on all things – he is taking face time and leadership space away from Gentile conservatives.

    Fox Jews – treats him like a knight in shining armor. All those pretty Gentiles on Fox are zombies for Zionism – they gush when Ben comes on.

    Fox has also put on the Jew, Mark Levin – “a romping stomping conservative American” who is an expert on the Constitution – but who always spins things for Israel.

    The goal of the Jews is to place a Jew at the leadership of very movement in America – left, right, center. That way they can squash any anti-Jew speech.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Agree: Them Guys
  64. Cleburne says:
    @Wally

    Actually Wally, I was complimenting you for always backing up your arguments, unlike Brother Jake. I always find your links thought provoking. On the personal relations front, however, you’re not someone that would be fun to sit down with over barbecue and a beer. In other words, you have the presentation of a rabid weasel which really only detracts from the revisionist cause. Sure you’re not a hasbara plant?

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @Wally
  65. Cleburne says:
    @kingedward1wasright1290

    The Jews presented letters to Cromwell, who handed them to the Council of State, which took no action. Nor did Cromwell.

  66. Cleburne says:
    @bjondo

    You have to review the entire Jake corpus. But pretty sure it’s in today’s transmission from the mothership.

  67. Cleburne says:
    @Them Guys

    Well said sir. Soon as anyone professes a liking for der kleine Benny, I know they’re nit to be taken seriously.

  68. I used to listen to Shapiro until I noticed that when someone would ask him an innocuous question about 9/11, he wanted to rip his throat out. What is there to hide I asked myself?

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  69. off topic.(important tho)

    https://thefreethoughtproject.com/child-predator-vigilante-deputy/

    WATCH: Pedo Hunter Catches Predator Meeting Underage Girl in Front of a Cop, Cop Does Nothing
    A vigilante child predator hunter went to confront a man who was expecting to meet an underage girl, when he got there a deputy intervened.

    All decent Muricans should contact that sherriff dep and tell them how you feel about auntie and the maggot that came to meet a child.

  70. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Ever heard of Gavin Newson soon to be governor of California who will probably run for President one day???

    His great grandfather was one of the original investors with Getty Oil. Before that the Newsoms were one of the wealthiest and important families in California from the early days. One of them married into the Vallejo family back before the civil war.

  71. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Regean promised to shut down the department of education. He didn’t even try.

  72. @MikeatMikedotMike

    I say Mr. Unz should compile a list of the greatest comments. That would definitely make the list.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  73. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Them Guys

    Doesn’t the Jewish bible preach against the baby sacrifices of the infidels ?

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  74. @Them Guys

    “Almost every second sentence by ben shapiro was another glowing praise of the Talmud and Jewishness. Just the most jewy jew spew one can picture. And yes he wore his skull cap so every tv viewer will know bens a jews jew. Constant spewing of how Talmudic ideals far surpass gentiles and how great jews are etc etc etc.”

    Was that meant as a criticism, a compliment, or as Jew-envy?

  75. @Them Guys

    You didn’t even know that Jonah Goldberg’s a gentile.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @geokat62
  76. Anon[317] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder Mr. Rich.. would it be possible to federalize educational competency into a set of standardized performance requirements; administered nationally, or even globally, no reason why anyone, any where in the world could not become learning competent from the American Educational System. Separate the competencies into core competencies of two types, one timers and continuous, testing the continuous many more times than once..allowing a person who passed already the continuous but who now fails to be regressed to non-competent in that particular proof of competency

    Sciences( math to calculus yr-three, trig Plane, Solid, Theorem development and proofs,etc) , Language (English and at least two foreign languages to fluency), Global Literature and cultures, Art and Art History, Geography, Tools (computers, programming, accounting, reading and writing), Standards interconnects (like American common to Metric, C to F, SI, Algorithm development), Agriculture as a trade, Comparative government, construction (homes, roads, and buildings, and their materials gypsum, wood, cement, synthetics, Plumbing, Electrical, and Heavy Equipment Operations and the like as a trade), Manufacturing as a trade, chemistry, physics, photonics, physiology, and quantum mechanics ( with national federal webinar labs and local schools for hands on projects that can be designed and funded by professional societies like the AIA, ACI, ACS, ASCE, and so forth..). in this kind of environment everyone gets a fair shake..as long as the children progress at accelerated levels, parents or guardians should be paid to stay home and tutor..

    Make physical schools into tutoring operations designed to pass the competencies.. Create nation boards to identify the competencies, and testing agencies to study how to measure these competencies and to create examinations that prove the learner has achieved the competency at level (whatever).
    Textbooks can be recommend but leave the student in charge of selecting them, so everyone in the textbook business is trying to tutor the same end goal, make it a criminal offense for a textbook manufacturer to get access to the examination materials in advance of their use, or for anyone to gain access to the examination contents and back that up with 10 year in the pen mandatory penalties. i
    Provide vouchers to buy books and computers and other needed tools, turn the education dept of the federal government into a testing agency and a developer of webinars to demonstrate and teach important principles, and make local schools into hands on trade schools with real lumber, nails, and chemistry and physics lab with real modern vendor equipment to do hands on learning. This would eliminate holding a brilliant learner back, and failing a slower learner for lack of understanding.
    This would eliminate racial bias, physical age, disability, restrain of poverty, everyone would be educated to the BS level at Colleges, one could fail as many times as necessary without being blocked from gaining the competency in time), give no degrees, but certify competencies, but make all public, so that Society as whole focuses on learning, not the Bureaucracy of education. With enough experience to and most of all it would make EDUCATION, Equitable, Valuable, worth while AGAIN and it would teach toward capacity to compete in a competitive economy, and it would eliminate the necessity for everyone to work for one of the major giants, because it would teach competitive independence.

    let local school boards and teachers and politicians fight it out as to how much they are willing to provide their learners but making learning and competing independent of those decisions.

  77. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Rich

    I wonder Mr. Rich.. would it be possible to federalize educational competency into a set of standardized performance requirements; administered nationally, or even globally, no reason why anyone, any where in the world could not become learning competent from the American Educational System. Separate the competencies into core competencies of two types, one timers and continuous, testing the continuous many more times than once..allowing a person who passed already the continuous but who now fails to be regressed to non-competent in that particular proof of competency

    Sciences( math to calculus yr-three, trig Plane, Solid, Theorem development and proofs,etc) , Language (English and at least two foreign languages to fluency), Global Literature and cultures, Art and Art History, Geography, Tools (computers, programming, accounting, reading and writing), Standards interconnects (like American common to Metric, C to F, SI, Algorithm development), Agriculture as a trade, Comparative government, construction (homes, roads, and buildings, and their materials gypsum, wood, cement, synthetics, Plumbing, Electrical, and Heavy Equipment Operations and the like as a trade), Manufacturing as a trade, chemistry, physics, photonics, physiology, and quantum mechanics ( with national federal webinar labs and local schools for hands on projects that can be designed and funded by professional societies like the AIA, ACI, ACS, ASCE, and so forth..). in this kind of environment everyone gets a fair shake..as long as the children progress at accelerated levels, parents or guardians should be paid to stay home and tutor..

    Make physical schools into tutoring operations designed to pass the competencies.. Create nation boards to identify the competencies, and testing agencies to study how to measure these competencies and to create examinations that prove the learner has achieved the competency at level (whatever).
    Textbooks can be recommend but leave the student in charge of selecting them, so everyone in the textbook business is trying to tutor the same end goal, make it a criminal offense for a textbook manufacturer to get access to the examination materials in advance of their use, or for anyone to gain access to the examination contents and back that up with 10 year in the pen mandatory penalties. i
    Provide vouchers to buy books and computers and other needed tools, turn the education dept of the federal government into a testing agency and a developer of webinars to demonstrate and teach important principles, and make local schools into hands on trade schools with real lumber, nails, and chemistry and physics lab with real modern vendor equipment to do hands on learning. This would eliminate holding a brilliant learner back, and failing a slower learner for lack of understanding.
    This would eliminate racial bias, physical age, disability, restrain of poverty, everyone would be educated to the BS level at Colleges, one could fail as many times as necessary without being blocked from gaining the competency in time), give no degrees, but certify competencies, but make all public, so that Society as whole focuses on learning, not the Bureaucracy of education. With enough experience to and most of all it would make EDUCATION, Equitable, Valuable, worth while AGAIN and it would teach toward capacity to compete in a competitive economy, and it would eliminate the necessity for everyone to work for one of the major giants, because it would teach competitive independence.

    let local school boards and teachers and politicians fight it out as to how much they are willing to provide their learners but making learning and competing independent of those decisions.

  78. Wally says:
    @Cleburne

    Only in response to your gay obsession over me have I posted Revisionist information in this thread, dumsky. LOL

    Low IQ Zionists like yourself and sub-par primate, utu, can’t stop thinking about me, as in: I own both of you.

    ‘Detract from Revisionism’? Hardly, though you desperately wish.
    The site, http://www.codoh.com , that I refer to, is simply exploding with viewers. Hurts don’t it?

    enjoy this:
    Concentration Camp Vital Statistics

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7581

    Thousands upon thousands transported out of Auschwitz, alleged “death camp”.
    Also note that not a single British Bletchley Park intercept of secret German messages to and from Auschwitz and the other so called ‘death camps’ ever mention gas chambers, killing Jews, or anything holocaust-like.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  79. Mulegino1 says:

    The job of Jews like Shapiro is as kosher gatekeeper, i.e., secure the flanks. As long as the parameters of discourse are safe for the self-chosen, everything is fine.

    Once the kosher dam is breached, then expect any discourse to be flooded with a bunch of flatulent kosher noise. The Jews rely upon noise to drown out truth, in the same way they use pseudo-intellectualism to overwhelm philosophical and metaphysical discourse, sentimentalism to stifle real presentation of science and history, and a ton of tawdry spectacle to drown out aesthetics and true culture.

    The eternal Jew is the ally of noise, meaningless verbiage, irrelevant red herrings and of course, when all else fails, outright lies.

  80. @AnonFromTN

    The Chinese and Indian have more people, but they are Asian, second-tier races. The West, Caucasian, European and Christian is the gold standard. Everyone is trying to copy us. Schools need to teach that it was the Caucasians/Europeans/Christians who contributed the most (almost everything) that makes up the world today. IQ and its relation to race would be the number one thing taught. The superiority of the West to the East and the rest of the world would be number two. Jews are a footnote in history and today are in the news because of the Zioevangizers.

    It doesn’t matter that China and India have been around longer. What matters is who creates and contributes. The West is one that has done this.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  81. TheBoom says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Nope. Boomers are very anti the immigration deluge which Shapiro supports.

  82. @unpc downunder

    I would be interested to read your expansion of the point about liberalism in Australia. Is it not confusing to use whatever Americans (variously with perhaps different meanings) call “liberalism”?

    I have always been happy enough (in an imperfect world of limited choice) with the typical right-of-centre liberalism of the Liberal Party although it took a while to return Victoria and South Australia to a real belief in competitive free enterprise… from the early 70s. Socially liberal economically conservative would describe a typical Victorian Liberal though with some residual throwback to a more collectivist lower middle class Catholic muddle headedness when Labor lost most/many of its Catholics from the anti Communist 50s on….

    The pill and full employment, if nothing more philosophical, was always going to liberate women from too little education, too many children (as it once seemed before the slide below replacement rates) and discrimination in the workforce (lower pay and having to resign on marriage from the public service).

    Is it liberalism that eventually prevents dogmatic believers in fetuses having rights (from someone’s God?) imposing criminal law sanctions on those that act in disagreement with that dogma?

    u.s.w

  83. @attilathehen

    Sorry to disappoint, but the real creative European/white push predates Christianity: Greeks and Romans. Christianity produced Dark Ages, the return to Greek and Roman heritage (aptly called Renaissance, i.e., rebirth) provided the second creative push: science and technology.

    BTW, just Google the origin of words like Algebra, Chemistry, etc., or the source of the numbers theory that underlies math and a lot of science, and you’d be surprised. The Christianity itself was born in Jewish society as a heresy to the institutionalized version of their religion.

    FYI, Chinese and Indians do not belong to the same race. Have you ever seen one of either?

    Only very parochial people with extremely limited education can remain Christian/white supremacists. Not to mention that you didn’t address the substance of my points, including this one: whites/Europeans existed for millenia before Christianity. This isn’t surprising, though.

  84. Paw says:
    @Daniel Rich

    It is actually education of the Ideology of the ruling class……For centuries already.

  85. Them Guys says:
    @Anon

    Many parts of the bible condemns jews for disobeying God. But no matter how swell great godly blessings for jews were, or how devastating huge curses from God were for jews…Nothing ever seems able to convince jews to change from a stiff necked stubborn way. And that too, stiff necked and stubborn ways, is named as a ungodly jew thing. Basically if even god was unable to effect real and good changes within jewry, then we meere humans will never be able to compete and effect real lasting changes within jewry…Except of course for the one only sure fire method eh. But that is not a kosherized option…so far.

    Maybe that’s main reason for 109 nations prior boot outs of jews eh.

    So lets get on board with a Make America Nation #110….and a policy of…Never Again! 110 & Never again! Has a nice ringing sound to it no? Bumper Stickers with that slogan sure would get folks talking and asking important J-Questions.

  86. Them Guys says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    Everything I ever seen about him says hes jewish. Why do you claim hes not? I also am about 99% sure when he was on a glen beck fox tv show years ago, a show on 1917 Russian take over by bolsheviks, Beck gave Jonah Goldberg the floor to run the story line, and first words he said was that Yes we best admit right at start that indeed a “small Few Bolshevik commies were actually jewish…BUT!! Each was also an Atheist jewish commie folks!” as if that’s true and as if jews as atheists makes a difference when mass murdering half of eastern Europe of its whites and Christians eh. And I am 99% sure that glen becks reason stated to hand mic and floor over to Goldberg to explain it all, was due to his being a jew. As in who’s more believable beck or the jewboy on commie bolshie issues.

    If he’s not a jew?..may as well convert and be a jew eh..He’s mastered Lying very well already, what else major is required to make a good jewboy?

    ps your other question to me don’t deserve an answer as you already know full well how I meant it to read as.

  87. Them Guys says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Thanks, and I was more expecting to get a bunch of complaints due to shapiros vast appeal by so many so duped souls on most online forums. Plus I do kinda have a very cynical attitude often and it shows in some of my reply posts I rekon. But oh well eh, what other than so cynical and even downright mean sounding can an honest jewized up person be?

    I still cannot figure out for sure which issue pisses me off worse…#1 jews or #2 not as yet being able to do something to Fix the jew problems in America. I guess as long as we never quit is good plan for now.

    PS: Also a Thanks to several others for their kind words, from reply by, Urbane FrancoOntarian. and also reply by, Cleburne.

  88. geokat62 says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    … Jonah Goldberg’s a gentile.

    According to Wiki:

    Goldberg’s father, Sidney (1931–2005), was Jewish and his mother, literary agent Lucianne Goldberg, is Episcopalian. Goldberg himself was raised Jewish.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Goldberg

  89. Them Guys says:
    @Sbaker

    This agenda of spying and ratting out others will surely end up same as soviet Russia under Bolshevik jewish rule. Even entire families afraid to look up from dinner plates in abject fear, fear a family member who may desire an extra pound of Real Butter or an extra 1/2 pound of Red Meat for next months commie govnt subsidies, in exchange for ratting out Father or Mother, or perhaps little sister Suzie or elder brother Vlad.

    Little did those ratter outers who wished for extra real butter next month realize that once they rat out a family member, rabidly insane blood thirsty jewish Bolsheviks of the Cheka squads would arrive at 3:00 am, that same nite and grab Every family member person by the scruff of necks, drag them all out doors so to not make a mess indoors…..And Shoot each family member in back of heads, then call cheka HQ to inform their soviet bosses there is now another totally empty home, filled with everything necessary for a New Bolshevik Jewish family to occupy and steal contents from. Then move in said jew family.

    Hence no big secret to how so many non labor jews ever got so damn weathy eh. Its very easy when jewish policy is Murder everybody not a jew and steal all they prior owned while still alive!

  90. Them Guys says:
    @bjondo

    bjondo: A great way to really determine and see for self what the real actual Ben Shapiro is really about, is to attempt to read his very long posted reply to Brietbart website and its many forum members…He wrote it after he got fired from brietbart website and replaced by someone else.

    Shapiro was very pissed and his entire ranting ravings in his reply detailed exactly what one would expect from such a disgusting jewy jewboy. Whose daddy jew got famous in his Hollywood director days which likely provided an entry advantage into tv land and neocon land for little bennyboy eh.

    He blamed most every cause of his being fired from brietbart on….Wait for it!……

    Blamed it all on the too Many NeoNazis and vile anti-Semite forum posters there! If you never knew better, you’d swear ben shapiro is a hapless victim of Hitlers Nazis and SS, and ever since Both his Parents got gassssed by Nazis in 1940, that once little benny boy was Born in 1975, his entire life has been ruined badly thanks to todays and yesterdays evil Nazi antisemites!

    OyVey! Whats a poor victim jew to do eh….Myself I was unable to read past a 1/3rd way down of his ranting and complaints for why he got fired…Everybody under Suns fault, but His Own.

    And if such massive crowds of repubs and conservatives still cannot see right thru his jewy spew at every turn, then there really is zero hope left for any Political solution to Americas problems.

  91. Them Guys says:
    @anarchyst

    And #7= Mandatory classroom study of HolyHoax, and vast jewish Sufferink via evil Nazis and SS storm troopers. Plus mandates for every grad student of grade 12 to have read at least 800 Books by Eli Da Weazel on yet more hoax sufferinks and despairs done to jewry.

  92. Them Guys says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I recall I read an article long ago that stated of the aprox 297 main orig colleges founded and built in early era of usa, were all but for three of them founded by Catholic Church. The other three were protestant originated. I am recalling those numbers from distant memory of an article on usa colleges and who founded them etc. So it may be a bit off on proper numbers I stated here. Close though I believe.

  93. Them Guys says:
    @Andre Citroen

    What is there to hide I asked myself?

    That Israel/Mossad/Ziojews/and Shabboz neocon goyim did 9/11 is whats to hide at All costs.

    Plus increased jewry fears of…Oy Vey! They…Know!….Them Goys, They…KNOW!

    Test it out next time you speak with a jew eh…Just ask the jew “Hey, are You jewish?” or “You are Jewish right?”….Then observe how the jew shrinks away and trys to move his head as far back away from You as possible, as he stares at you like a Deer in Headlights with total disbelief you asked that….”Oh Oh I been Found Out!” churns in the jewish mind.

    With 100 yrs of gaining total media controls in every form, newspapers, magazines, radio, TV, Hollywood, every tv news show on every station etc….jewry in general thought no sucher as Oh No Goys they Know! Could ever be even a distant remote possibility…..Then…

    Along came Internet websites and international jewrys trust and belief of solid total media controls owned and run by jews burst its bubble fantasy, and smacked jewry upside their collective heads like a Fast ball hit into the Pitchers Crotch.

    This is reason we see every bad agenda being fast ramped up to warp speed to get it done asap, because once them Goyim awoke and got so red pilled so quickly, it has become a race against time for them to finish off Whiteys and Christianity, so zios and jewry can attain much desired global world rule and Ownership of entire world and all it contains, including You and Your’s if allowed by jewry to remain alive as slaves to jews.

    • Replies: @Andre Citroen
  94. Them Guys says:
    @geokat62

    So perhaps momma Goldberg is a crypto jew eh? Many have been and still are who claim to be some form Christians.

  95. @Iberiano

    The Iraq War (at least the second one) had nothing to do with oil.

    It starts with “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” — a position paper presented to Israeli PM Netanyahu in 1996. It was written by a group of Israeli-American dual citizens, and advocated destabilizing and breaking up multiple Middle Eastern countries, starting with Iraq — because it would help to make Israel more secure.

    Supposedly these suggestions were “rejected” by Netanyahu. Well…

    A year later, “Project for a New American Century” (PNAC) was founded by neocons (((Robert Kagan))) and (((Bill Kristol))).

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

    This group produced the plan entitled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategies, Forces and Resources for a New Century.” This was published in September, 2000, and advocated major increases in US defense spending, stationing US troops permanently in the Middle East, as well as (in line with the goals of “A Clean Break”), attacking many of Israel’s perceived enemies in the Middle East. “Rebuilding” was perhaps most notable for the sentence “The process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”

    Shortly after W became president, the push for war with Iraq began, then intensified after 9/11. Among the most important leaders within the administration advocating the invasion were:

    Richard Perle
    Chairman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee under W. wikipedia: “Historically, the DPBAC has mostly served as a method for the Pentagon to leverage consulting expertise in the private sector. However, the DPBAC served a very powerful and influential role in foreign policy in the George W. Bush presidency. Former Chairman Richard Perle was an influence in the decision to go to war in Iraq”

    David Wurmser
    Cheney’s Mideast adviser and a top aide to Bolton in the State Department.

    Douglas Feith
    Under Secretary of Defense for Policy and co-creator (with Wolfowitz) of the Office of Special Plans — a semi-independent unit (nominally part of the Pentagon) whose sole purpose was to generate fake “intelligence” to justify the invasion of Iraq, independent of any existing intelligence agency (It was disbanded shortly after the war began).

    Perle, Wurmser, and Feith were all co-authors of “A Clean Break.”

    So these people authored a paper for the Prime Minister of Israel, advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, and the destruction of several other ME countries, including Syria — because it would be in Israel’s best interests. They then went to work for the W administration just a few years later, and immediately pushed for the invasion of Iraq — because it would be in America’s best interests?

    Sounds legit.

    “The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/white-man-s-burden-1.14110

  96. @Cleburne

    Oliver Cromwell was a small warlord with ambition and wealthy backers, his New Model Army didn’t pay for itself. Someone was buying them Beer, bread, meat and weapons, someone bought them steel bonnets and breast plates, so who paid for it all then? It didn’t come from Cromwell’s pocket or contributions from local folk who would not dare raise a hand against the King. The money came from aboard in Holland from the usual suspects

    After the expulsion of Jews it would be historically inaccurate to say that all of them left England as some converted to Catholicism or simply hid from the public eye, later after memories of the expulsion had faded, numerous Jewish merchants traveled the land quite freely plying their trades. Queen Elizabeth I had a Jewish physician at the time.

    The real deal for the wealthy Jews in Holland was to exchange financial support to Cromwell so they could gain a free hand in our Nation as Jews are forbidden from holding any kind of public office in England which still stands today. The Jews bought a foot hold in England to get access to our establishment, free again to practice usury and manipulate the free market putting the English people under debt slavery when they later set-up the Bank of (((England)))

    So you are wrong as Cromwell was up to his neck in it.
    ……

    An economy based on usury

    By E. Walter Carr

    [MORE]

    The study of Britain’s banking and monetary system is made complex due to so much of the system’s activity being conducted in semi-secrecy.

    The system of banking that we were taught at school was completely misleading. We were told that our spare money, called savings, was given to the bank for safe keeping. The bank gave us a book in which they entered the amounts. The bank paid us a small interest on this money which it added to our savings annually. We were told that the bank lent our savings to its customers at a higher rate than it gave us, and that the difference was what the bank kept for the wages of its staff, buying and servicing its buildings, producing currency and its profit. This is honourable trading, but it is a very tiny part of what really happens in banking. In practice it is just ‘window-dressing’, concealing the very large-scale legalised counterfeiting which takes place in banks.

    Over the years, statements have been made by many people who had great knowledge of the banking and monetary system which should have set off alarm bells amongst the British people.

    Here are three examples:-

    1) Henry Ford I. The motor magnate who pioneered mass production in factories wrote:

    ‘It is well that the people of the Nation do not understand our Monetary and Banking System – if they did, I believe there would be revolution before tomorrow morning.’

    2) Nathan Rothschild (1777-1836), banker, said: “Allow me to issue and control a country’s money and I care not who writes its Laws.”

    3) Reginald McKenna, former British Chancellor of the Exchequer and Chairman of Midland Bank, said in a speech to shareholders in 1924: “The banks create money when they lend or make a purchase. Those people who have control over the credit of a country hold in the palm of their hand the fate of that country and determine its policies.”

    How it began

    To help with the understanding of our monetary system a little history may be helpful. From the earliest times of commerce, gold has been used for measuring wealth, although it is useless for supporting life, and there are many more useful metals in the world.

    Coins were made from gold, and the weight of a coin was the equivalent of a pound’s weight of silver. Hence the term Pound Sterling. Silver and copper were sometimes used for coins of lesser value.

    Security was always a problem with gold, and towards the end of the Middle Ages holders of large quantities of gold coins or gold bars commenced taking their precious metal to goldsmiths for safe keeping, as these craftsmen possessed the best and biggest safes. The owners of the gold paid a storage charge to the goldsmiths for their service and received receipts for their deposits.

    Originally, the owners of the gold withdrew it from the goldsmith’s safe as required for their trading and the receipts were cancelled.

    After a period of time, however, people became so confident with the safety of their gold in the vaults of the goldsmiths that they commenced exchanging their receipts only. These receipts were called cheques, and this was the beginning of a type of cheque system of money.

    As the process of exchanging receipts continued, the gold remained in the goldsmiths’ safes doing nothing. The goldsmiths, realising that their safes were continually full of gold, began lending it to other people and charging 10 per cent interest on it. In practice, the goldsmiths did not hand over gold to the new customer but merely issued a receipt for the loaned amount, just as they had done in earlier times to the owner of the gold.

    The gold did not belong to the goldsmiths, who were being paid by the owners of it for safe storage – but now they were lending it to other people and receiving 10 per cent interest in addition!

    These goldsmiths, mainly Jewish, were the world’s first bankers, and soon became very wealthy with the aid of gold which they did not own! That is usury.

    When King Edward 1st of England came to the throne in 1272, he soon became aware of the social and economic problems that members of the Jewish community were causing as a result of their usury, and he would not allow himself to be bribed into protecting their money-lending activities. He made a law which stated that Jews could only make a living in England as merchants, farmers, craftsmen or soldiers – the honest occupations followed by their Gentile fellow-subjects.

    The Jews were not happy with this law and secretly carried on with their usury – charging up to 20 per cent interest on loans. They also engaged in coin-clipping of gold and silver coins, which they melted down and sold as bullion in Europe, thus putting the English economy in peril by draining gold out of the country.

    King Edward lost his patience with this corruption, and in 1290 issued the Statute of Jewry. This ordered all Jews out of the Realm with all of their possessions and forbade them ever to return. Most were given a safe escort to France. (For full details see: The Calendar of Closed Rolls; 18 Edward 1, and Patent Roll, Edward 1, Memo 21, dated 2lst. June 1290).

    England resisted the return of the Jews for approximately 350 years – into the start of the reign of Charles 1st (1625). From a letter dated 16th June 1647, written by Oliver Cromwell, we learn that “In return for financial support, will advocate readmission of Jews into England. This, however, is impossible while Charles 1st is living.”

    After much corruption in the House of Commons, a communist-type remnant of 50 members known as ‘the Rump’ invested themselves with the ‘Supreme Authority of England’.

    The Jewish Encyclopaedia confirms that Cromwell was in contact with powerful Jewish financiers in Holland and was paid large sums of money by Menasseh Ben Israel, while another Jew named Fernandez Carvajal was the chief contractor for supplying arms and equipment for Cromwell’s New Model Army.

    After destroying many of England’s fine buildings and executing Charles 1st in 1649, following a mock trial, Cromwell took charge of England as Lord Protector (1653-1658). He was succeeded by his son Richard (1658-59). During the Cromwells’ reign, the Jews returned to England, without official permission.

    Scotland still had a King Charles II, and on Richard Cromwell’s death he was made King of both England and Scotland in 1660. Charles II had no qualms about the Jewish problem and ignored the experience and wisdom of Charles 1st.

    Charles II was followed by James II, and during the latter’s reign there was much propaganda spread throughout England against him. Most of it came from Holland and this was followed by William (of Orange) landing in England and James II escaping to France (1688). Among those who deserted James II was John Churchill (who became 1st Duke of Marlborough), whom, it is stated in the Jewish Encyclopaedia, received £6,000 per annum for many years from the Dutch Jew Solomon Medina.
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    The real objective of the invading financiers was achieved a few years later in 1694, and was known as the ‘Glorious Revolution’. This was a disaster for our nation and occurred when the Royal Consent was given by the Dutch King William III of Orange for the setting up of the Bank of ‘England’ and the institution of the National Debt. This Royal Charter handed over to an anonymous committee the Royal Prerogative of minting money, converting the basis of wealth to gold, and it enabled international moneylenders to secure their loans on the taxes of our nation.
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    From that moment, the economic machinery was set in motion whereby all wealth was ultimately reduced to the fictitious terms of gold, which the alien Jews controlled. This drained away the life blood of our land and real wealth which was the birthright of the British People.

    The political and economic Union of England and Scotland was soon forced on Scotland – for the purpose of suppressing the independent Royal Mint of Scotland and dragging it into the National Debt trap via the Bank of ‘England’.

    With the whole of Britain now in the grip of the Jewish moneylenders and their hangers-on, there was a danger that, sooner or later, the members of the new joint Parliament, formed in the spirit of their ancestors, might challenge this sordid state of affairs. To provide against this, the party political system was devised, which frustrated national resistance and enabled the wire-pullers to divide and rule – using their newly established financial monopoly power to ensure that their own lackeys – and policies – would secure the limelight and, with enough support from newspapers, pamphlets and banking accounts, carry the day.

    Gold continued to be the basis of loans until after World War I. Loans were permitted up to ten times the amounts deposited, and this was known as the 10 per cent Fractional Reserve. In other words, £100 in gold held by a bank enabled it to make up to £l,000 in interest-bearing loans out of ‘thin air’ to customers with adequate security (collateral).

    At 5 per cent interest, the £100 gold deposit would earn £50 interest annually, while the entire £l,000 in loans would be returned to the bank, together with £50 interest as a bank asset – all with just a little ledger work!

    Although gold is not now used for coinage, it still plays a mysterious part in finance. On every working day at 11 a.m., a Mr. Rothschild in London, after telephoning around the world for a few minutes to his friends, personally fixes the price of gold for 24 hours. Also our various banknotes all have printed on them below Bank of England: “I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of five [or whatever value] pounds.”

    Modern banking is basically similar to the system which operated at the end of the 17th century but some 97 per cent of transactions today are numbers and codes tapped or electronically entered into computers. Today only about 3 per cent of transactions are done with paper bank notes and metal coins, which have to be bought by banks from the Bank of ‘England’.

    Banks and building societies are now creating monies for interest-bearing loans out of nothing, without even Fractional Reserve restriction, provided adequate collateral is provided by the borrower. When the loan money is paid back to the bank, together with the interest charge, all is treated as a bank asset, although the bank started with nothing and took no risks, as the transaction was protected with the customer’s collateral!

    How the system works

    A thriving engineering company wishes to expand into an enlarged building and requires £500,000 for the project. It cannot do this out of earnings in the time required, due to heavy taxation on profits, and therefore seeks a loan from the bank.

    The bank manager examines the engineering company’s balance sheet to satisfy himself that the business is creditworthy. If satisfied, he then asks the company for, say, £600,000 worth of collateral in the form of company shares, property deeds, insurance policies, and so on – all to be lodged in the bank’s safe, against the proposed loan.

    With loan granted, the bank manager now holds security of £600,000 against a loan of £500,000, and the engineering company secretary walks out of the bank with just a cheque book and the bank manager’s permission to write out cheques to pay for the new building.

    The bank manager has not loaned the £500,000 from his other customers’ deposit accounts, nor has he taken it from his own bank safe. Nothing has changed except for a book entry logging all engineering company collateral items and their values now in the bank safe and an interest-bearing account showing the company owing £500,000 to the bank. The £500,000 facility has been created, not from the bank, which only provided the cheque book, made ledger entries and stored the collateral agreement.

    The real value

    The real value in terms of goods and services comes from the community. The goods required to build the factory extension are taken from the people, and there is almost £500,000 more money in circulation with interest being paid on it.

    The engineering company increases its production with the enlarged factory and pays off the loan debt. The collateral documents are returned from the bank to the engineering company and the £500,000 loan amount plus the agreed interest is entered as an asset of the bank and the interest recognised as income for the bank.

    The bank risks little or nothing and ends up with scandalously high profits by a simple method of book-keeping. This is legal counterfeiting in a disgraceful form – it is usury.

    There is a perpetual shortage of money in the national economy, and this can only be rectified under the present system with fresh loans at interest – created out of nothing by private banks. This must be stopped, and the accountable government must issue our currency for all transactions without interest in sufficient quantity to match the nation’s Gross National Product.

    The portion of Britain’s National Debt accumulated by usury should be cancelled.

    All banks and building societies are controlled in Britain by the Bank of ‘England’, with half of its directors nominated by the government of the day but with voting power. The other half are secretly appointed and could even be non-British, though having full voting power!

    *MPs are not allowed to table questions in Parliament about the Bank of ‘England’

    https://christogenea.org/podcasts/christogenea-europe-august-30th-2015-invading-britain-then-and-now-it-always-comes-down-treachery

  97. @AnonFromTN

    HINDUTVA

    Naturally, an Indian is going to feel more akin with Italians than can pass for Punjabi than he will with Anglo-Saxons who call him “mud”.

    Greece, Rome and India have one thing in common which is that they are now backwaters that migrants walk over to get to Germany and England.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  98. @Cleburne

    On another note the execution of the King was drawn up by a Dutch Jew, Isaac Dorislaus as they couldn’t get any Englishman to draw up the charges against the King as the King’s back then ruled by divine right and were the highest office in the land so didn’t have to answer any fake charges from this traitorous dog Cromwell. Constitutional monarchy of today are just puppets of the Rothschild banking elite and have very little power, that’s why King Charles the first was taken out so they could place their own puppet royals in place.

    https://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-jews-murdered-charles-i.html

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  99. Rogue says:
    @Cleburne

    Yes, our friend Jake does seem enormously animated about a big, buzzing stinging, insecty thing swirling round (or inside) his head.

    Wildly speculating stuff like “ooh, I bet Oliver Cromwell and Ben Shapiro would have fancied each other”, kind of gives the game away as to his bonkers fixations.

    How can anyone possibly know what a historical person of several hundred years ago, living in a very different age, would make of anyone or anything today?

    Other than Cromwell would surely be shocked and disgusted from head to toe at the state of modern Western and, specifically, British society.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
    , @Jake
  100. Cleburne says:
    @Wally

    “Gay obsession.” Project much, Wally?

    Codoh.com is an interesting and thought provoking site, despite your best efforts to delegitimize it. Mossad needs to give you a new assignment. Slide posts on 4chan maybe.

  101. Cleburne says:

    Yes, and the “somebody” that funded the Parliament were the merchants of London, many of whom tended toward Puritanism and objected to the monopolies promulgated by Charles/laud/Strafford. This is pretty well documented. And not all the wealthy nobility were cavaliers.

  102. @Jeff Stryker

    First, the people we call Indians belong to >100 different nations with their own languages and quite a few different alphabets.

    Second, the dream of most third-worlders is the US, not Germany or England. Naturally, except for true parasites, those who are too lazy to work and expect free handouts: you get nothing for free in the US, so hopeless trash wants to live in Europe.

    Third, it happened in history many times that certain civilizations have served their purpose and then faded away. Say, Phoenicians invented the first alphabet (a system of writing where each sign corresponds to a particular sound), and where are the Phoenicians now? Only in history books. Greeks and Romans also served their purpose, creating a world of rationality. In fact, Italians then served another purpose, that of birthplace of the Renaissance, which saved Europe from Christianity-dominated Dark Ages and gave the impetus for modern European civilization. Yes, they faded away again. Next the UK served its purpose of spreading European civilization worldwide and then faded to a pathetic US poodle. Unfortunately, it appears the Europe as a whole also had served its purpose and is currently fading away (committing collective suicide, even as we speak).

    Personally, I prefer the world as it was ~50 years ago, but that might be just because I was born in that world. Anyway, history is an objective process, it does not give a hoot about our opinions and desires, just like gravity or conservation laws.

  103. Cleburne says:
    @kingedward1wasright1290

    I don’t think that’s accurate. John Cook was the prosecutor, John Bradshaw the president of the court. And it’s worth bearing in mind that Cromwell tried negotiating with the King, annoying th New Model radicals, and gave up only after learning that Charle was negotiating back channel with the Scots.

    The notion that no Englishman would draw up charges against Charles simply won’t hold water. He wasn’t popular among the Cavaliers, even, many of whom fought out of a sense of duty (eg, Verney), because they liked a brawl (Lunsford) or family relations (Rupert, the German princling.)

    Divine right, on the European model, also, was not a part of English law. It was pushed by James I, and one of the many objections to Charles was that he was endeavoring to make that the basis of English political organization.

    Calling Cromwell a traitor is like calling Robert E Lee a traitor, in my opinion. He was trying to preserve the established order of England against the European innovations of Charles.

  104. Cleburne says:
    @Rogue

    Absolutely. Cromwell was basically a member of th country Gentry with all the prejudices and preconceptions of that class. He didn’t care much for the radical wing of the New Model either.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  105. Cleburne says:
    @Cleburne

    And, I should probably add, neither Cromwell nor anyone else in England thought much about the Jewish Question at the time because it simply wasn’t an issue.

    • Replies: @Jake
  106. Jake says:
    @Cleburne

    Are you totally ignorant of theology and Reformation history so that it indeed is news to you that Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy? Are you so ignorant of Jews in England that you indeed do not know that Cromwell invited Jews back into England, taking Jewish money?

    Do you think The Saker is just goofing around in calling America as head of the Anglosphere ‘The Anglo-Zionist Empire?’

    Are you able to grasp that Martin Luther in choosing the Rabbinic/Pharisaic Bible as the Protestant Old Testament was, in effect, declaring that post-Resurrection Jews, and not the Church, had the right to declare what was and was not Scripture, at least for the Old Testament?

    Are you so ignorant of history that you do not know that the vast majority of early printers of Protestant tracts were Jews?

    • Replies: @Cleburne
    , @Cleburne
  107. Jake says:
    @Rogue

    No doubt that Cromwell would be shocked, save that he most likely is in Hell now. Very few men who back a Judaizing heresy assume that the long term fruits of their work will be poisonous.

    Honest Abe would shocked to see what his work hath wrought in terms of both the Federal Government becoming a monstrous tyrant and the status of the Numinous Negro. All that means is that Lincoln could not discern the telos of that which he espoused.

    Martin Luther was the same way. He was warned by Eck that his ideas, even the most basic sola fide, would produce wild eyed revolution, because that was inherent in his every idea. Yet Luther was totally surprised by the various Anabaptist movements, even before some of them became openly sexually perverse as well as communistic.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  108. Cleburne says:
    @Jake

    1. It’s not a judaizing heresy. I don’t think you know what a judaizing heresy is. Are you able to provide a definition?

    2. No, and I think the Saker is mostly right. I think though that you are wrong, wrong, wrong to assign the responsibility for that to Cromwell and the Puritans. If you said the New England Unitarians I would be in almost complete agreement.

    3. If I am not mistaken, so did Jerome (or whoever translated the Scriptues into Latin). Margaret Barker discusses this at length in her Kingdon Theology books. Are you seriously suggesting Luther was part of the Jewishness consoiracy?

    4. I’m interested in seeing your proofs for this. They were printed in the Low Countries and smuggled in.

  109. Cleburne says:
    @Jake

    There is absolutely zero proof, Jake, outside your fevered imagination, that Cromwell invited the Jews back into England.

    There is no proof because it simply isn’t true.

    Sorry.

  110. Jake says:
    @Cleburne

    That does not matter. The idea has a life of its own. That you or anyone else may say honestly that you did not think about any part of what that idea means is irrelevant to what is inherent in the idea.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. That has meaning that reverberates, no matter how ignorant any adherent is to even the possibility of reverberation.

    Judaizing heresy not combatted and defeated always produces philo-Semitic politics and culture. That historical situations may mean it is not readily observable for some time is no more relevant than the fact that no acorn looks like a grown oak.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  111. Cleburne says:
    @Jake

    Define “judaizing heresy.” That’s all I ask.

  112. Rogue says:
    @Jake

    I’m never a fan of people making loose comments about who’s in hell, who’s going to go there etc., apart from what scripture tells us.

    Very presumptious, seeing as that is for God alone to decide and judge.

    And what is it with your absurd fixation regarding all things loosely Protestant?

    I used to believe that the church of Rome was a gigantic cult. However, I abandoned such narrowness many years ago, as I believe that in it’s basic fundamentals It is in fact a Christian church – and I know full well that there are many Christians in it. I even attended an Alpha course at one.

    However, I also believe that it has many wonky doctrines that I simply cannot and won’t accept.

    As for Luther, for all his faults, he was a great man of God.

    The church of Rome had an opportunity to reform itself at the time of the Protestant Reformation, if only a little, but decided instead to double down in it’s pride and arrogance.

    Your focus is clearly very narrow, which is up to you, but I would say that easily 95% of your comments are essentially just the same thing, endlessly repeated.

    • Agree: Cleburne
  113. @anarchyst

    anarchyst,

    You have summed it up succinctly. This is why my wife and I home-school our children. The public school system is beyond salvaging. It’s top down, institutional structure makes it impossible for concerned parents/ communities to have an impact. There is just too much dependence on State/ Federal dollars, which effectively eliminates the possibility for local control. The only alternative is to get ones’ children out of the burning intellectual building.

    The public school system was never intended to be a producer of critical thinking, educated human beings; but as a way to inculcating social conformity while providing a certain amount of technical expertise (reading and math) in the service of a useful industrial workforce. Unfortunately, it succeeds far better in the former than the latter.

    My wife an I are in the business of (hopefully!) producing intellectually fully formed, curious, critically minded human beings with an appreciation of the wonder and beauty of this world.

    The schools are interested in squelching innate curiosity and independent thought in favor of producing a more consistent cog. I see it all the time, and it’s the greatest crime perpetrated on the young.

  114. Shapiro is not an American conservative. He is a Zionist Trojan Horse. So are Goldberg, Kristol, et al.

    The mission of these crypto-Israelis is to soften up the minds of white Americans into accepting a panoply of destructive and contradictory policies. These prominant influencers are actually double-agents.

    Foremost in their agenda is spreading and sustaining the dubious concepts of ‘racial equality’ (in America) and ‘diversity’ as [our] ‘strength’, not Israel’s. Yet all this wonderful diversity and ‘togetherness’ could actually cause White America’s undoing.

    The other big falsehood peddled by these faux conservatives is that White identity is a national danger and not a vital strategy for European-derived Americans to maintain their appropriate (though diminishing) status as America’s founding core and key demographic.

    Get real: White cohesion is being weakened by Zio-centric ideologies and movements. Kevin MacDonald has brilliantly unmasked this phenomena. Universal Holocaust indoctrination rounds out this toxic agenda.

    Once Whites become a minority in America, ‘exceptional’ Jews like Shapiro can steer policies with greater ease and even less accountability. This ends up serving Israel.

    The basic kosher plan is to Balkanize the US, atomize Whites, and elevate Jewish networks, Jewish identity, and Zionist influence. This is a zero-sum game.

    By accommodating the pc narrative about ‘[white] racism’, evil Nazis, innocent Jews and imperiled Israel,’conservatives’ like Shapiro–along with their liberal cousins– are advancing the ongoing anti-White crusade inside America. Meanwhile, Shapiro et al favor the criminalization of political dissent via Hate Speech legislation.

    Their primary objectives are these: 1) maintain uninterrupted and unconditional US aid to Israel under all circumstances, and 2) to fund and spearhead Zio-Washington’s global ‘War on Terror’ which just happens to target Israel’s regional foes.

    ‘Leaders’ like Shapiro are the problem, not the solution. They never met a pro-Zionist campaign they didn’t like. In unidentified ways, we will pay the costs.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  115. @Cleburne

    The Jews presented letters to Cromwell, who handed them to the Council of State, which took no action. Nor did Cromwell.

    Yet somehow, the Jews returned to England all the same. Clearly just a cohencidence, of course.

  116. Mulegino1 says:

    Turns out that Ben Shapiro, who is wildly intolerant of any 9/11 truthers or historical revisionists, is openly defending that Hymiewood sick freak James Gunn for the latter’s public jokes about pedophilia . Ben Shapiro is not a “conservative”, he is a Talmud worshiping Jew supremacist. He ought to have no authentic standing in any type of Euro-Christian or nationalist movement or ideology.

  117. The need is not for “reform,” but for a total dismantling of the system. Things have gone too far for cosmetic applications and another appearance by Ben Shapiro.

    This is so unimaginative.

    Why not seize control of the system and use it to indoctrinate children in right-wing ideology and hate facts?

  118. Cleburne says:

    The names you need to Google are Charles II, James II and William of Orange, who unlike Cromwell does seem to have been financially supported by Jewish capital. Cromwell was a well-known advocate for toleration and liberty of conscience. I would think that any friendly noises he made toward Jews need to be seen in that context. Charles II has the help and support of any number of Jews while in exile

  119. @geokat62

    Though unlike his fellow tribesmember (and similarly rabid neocon) Jeffrey Goldberg, who leads the narrative enforcement team at The Atlantic, Jonah did not (to my knowledge) actually serve in the IDF. Nor did he hold a staff meeting in a synagogue to discuss how best to deal with the growing problem of goyim knowing — as Jeffrey did last year. Seriously:

    Top comment, from “Shootin Shark”:

    “Imagine European Christians meeting in a church in Israel and discussing how best to destroy Zionism and jewish nationalism and ensuring the extinction of the jewish race.”

    Pretty much.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  120. Art says:
    @geokat62

    Jonah Goldberg’s mother, Lucianne Goldberg- here is her web site.

    http://www.lucianne.com/

  121. bjondo says:
    @James Forrestal

    Argument could be made that media Jew in America are part of the IDF(JTF-Jew Terrorist Force). So, J. J. Goldberg is serving along with ilk.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  122. hyperbola says:
    @Cleburne

    You should start reading the historians instead of just gabbling on about your prejudices. Here is a tidbit from Brit Sephardic jews that might give you some motivation for investigating the propaganda that you have been subject to from cradle-to-grave.

    The Sephardim of England

    http://www.sephardicstudies.org/uk.html

    …. In 1656, Rabbi Menasseh ben Israel, from Amsterdam, where a community of Marrano Jews had established itself, fleeing from the Inquisition., and reverted back to Judaism, paid a visit to England to try and persuade the English Government to allow the Jews to settle again in England. He met Oliver Cromwell, who was favourably disposed to the idea, and after a Commission had deliberated on the problem, it was announced that the Deed of Expulsion in 1290 was a Royal decree, and no longer had any relevance. …..

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  123. Cleburne says:
    @hyperbola

    I have read the trustworthy historians and the original documents, not the twaddle you are peddling there, which has the distinct disadvantage of being completely incorrect. and are you really citing some Sephardic website as an irrefutable source? For Gods sake.

    As I’ve said to Jake in other threads, there is no evidence for this assertion in contemporary documents or accounts. Cromwell referred the question to the Council of State which did nothing. Cromwell may have been favorably disposed — that’s what “they” claim — but there is no documentary evidence for that, and even if it was the case, but not enough to push it through. The issue of the Jews was just not front of mind to anyone during the commonwealth period. And the notion that Parliament was funded by Jews is just laughable to anyone with a basic knowledge of the period.

    But then again, if you see some sort of Jewish conspiracy as the explanation of everything, then that’ll be your explanation for everything. Their impact on the West since 1850 or so is uniformly negative and destructive but to view the 17th century through that lens is ridiculous.

    Anyway thanks all for a most enjoyable discussion.

  124. @bjondo

    True. The IDF – Psychological Warfare Division.

  125. Corvinus says:

    “Perhaps the most successful myth that has been foisted off on a gullible American citizenry is that the education of our children, from kindergarten through high school, is the responsibility of the government.”

    Of course, our dear author here starts with a false premise. It is NOT a myth that education is the role of the government. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson completely understood that public education was at the heart of representative democracy.

    “The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it,” wrote Adams. “There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves.”

    Jefferson, founder of the nation’s first public university, said “[T]he tax which will be paid for this purpose [education] is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance.”

    Furthermore, there is no observable thing as “public school indoctrination”, considering that the people who pay for taxes for their schools are voters who help to shape the curriculum that their children will learn. So those values that are being learned today K-12 reflect what people generally desire for their nation.

    “Thus, those poorly educated but richly indoctrinated high schoolers, now undergoing the full panoply of Leftist envenomation on the collegiate level, are being turned into newly-minted domestic informants—spies—on their fellows. How does this differ from the worst aspects of Stalin’s Russia?”

    And from the false premise arises a wild generalization. Let us correct it for accuracy –> Today’s high school students, armed with information at their disposal, make their own decisions as to what they believe is best for their nation, which may be unsettling to their parents or grandparents, who had also underwent this process.

  126. Corvinus says:
    @mark green

    “The mission of these crypto-Israelis is to soften up the minds of white Americans into accepting a panoply of destructive and contradictory policies. These prominant influencers are actually double-agents.”

    OR, it could be that today’s (white) Americans have made up their own minds regarding race and culture, which to YOU is definitively troubling. But matters are really as dire as you think it is.

    “Yet all this wonderful diversity and ‘togetherness’ could actually cause White America’s undoing.”

    So do ALL or MOST white Americans have to believe in what you believe, lest they be labeled a “cuck” or “race traitor”? If so, is not your actions in opposition of individual liberty?

    “The other big falsehood peddled by these faux conservatives is that White identity is a national danger and not a vital strategy for European-derived Americans to maintain their appropriate (though diminishing) status as America’s founding core and key demographic.”

    And what happens if there are Americans who believe that this status is other than appropriate?

    “The basic kosher plan is to Balkanize the US, atomize Whites, and elevate Jewish networks, Jewish identity, and Zionist influence. This is a zero-sum game.”

    Assuming this statement to be true, what are YOU doing about the situation other than lamenting on a blog?

    “Their primary objectives are these: 1) maintain uninterrupted and unconditional US aid to Israel under all circumstances, and 2) to fund and spearhead Zio-Washington’s global ‘War on Terror’ which just happens to target Israel’s regional foes.”

    Wow, just wow.

  127. Mulegino1 says:

    The basic kosher plan is to Balkanize the US, atomize Whites, and elevate Jewish networks, Jewish identity, and Zionist influence. This is a zero-sum game.

    Their primary objectives are these: 1) maintain uninterrupted and unconditional US aid to Israel under all circumstances, and 2) to fund and spearhead Zio-Washington’s global ‘War on Terror’ which just happens to target Israel’s regional foes.

    Wow, just wow.

    “Wow” indeed. Slowly, but surely, historical, Euro-Christian America is waking and wising up to the ancestral enemy of our kindred peoples, whether they are in Europe, the Pacific Ocean, or the Americas. How could this be a bad thing?

    • Agree: Cleburne
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  128. @AnonFromTN

    I stated the West is superior. The West is Caucasian/European. I mean this from its beginning i.e., Rome, Greece. The ancient Egyptians were Caucasians and Western. The ancient Aryan Indians created the religions and philosophies of India. Again, Western, Caucasian, Aryan people.

    China has always been Asian and has not contributed much to the world.

    Today’s Indians are a mix of the original Aryan Indians and Asian aborigines. Their average IQ today is 82. They can never create a civilization like the one the Aryan Indians created.

    I encompass the entire timeline of the West and do not limit myself to Christianity. However, I do limit myself to race because biology is destiny. The Caucasian race has the highest IQ, then the Asians, the blacks are last.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  129. @attilathehen

    Well, race might be relevant, as it reflects genetic differences. Religion is certainly not. BTW, ancient Egyptians, as well as ancient people who lived between Tigris and Euphrates rivers and created first civilization roughly at the same time as Egyptians, in the 3rd millennium BC, were Semites (like Jews and Arabs). Technically, Semites belong to the Caucasian (White) race. Aryans were closer related to the ancestors of Europeans (judging by the language) than Semites: their language belongs to the same family as European languages (of all three subfamilies, Germanic, Romanic, and Slavic).

    China contributed to the world paper, gunpowder, and (surprise, surprise) china. Late Song Empire (XII-XIII century) was early-market economy before Mongolian conquest. Mongols dragged pretty much all conquered nations a century or two backwards.

    To summarize: all ancient civilizations (except Chinese) were created by white people, the earliest ones – by Semites. Draw whatever conclusions you want. Jews have their conclusions, white supremacists – theirs. The only race that has no leg to stand on in this contest is black.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Bliss
  130. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    ““Wow” indeed. Slowly, but surely, historical, Euro-Christian America is waking and wising up to the ancestral enemy of our kindred peoples, whether they are in Europe, the Pacific Ocean, or the Americas. How could this be a bad thing?”

    Well, for starters, Alt Right leader Vox Day–you know, the famous science fiction author with a very high IQ and opinion of himself–would say that there is but only one TRUE Euro-Christian American–those who are able to trace BOTH of their ancestors directly to a SPECIFIC group.

    He says, “So I’m going to make some of you extremely uncomfortable here, because what I’m going to tell you – and this is not going to be comfortable for those of you who are US citizens – a lot of you are not Americans and you never were. Your parents aren’t, you’re grandparents aren’t, because Americans are defined very, very clearly and the United States Constitution was written for a very specific group of people and that doesn’t include immigrants, it doesn’t include refugees, it doesn’t include the great grand children of former immigrants, it doesn’t include anybody except for the sons and daughters of the American Revolution.”

    “The undeniable historical fact is that the U.S. Constitution was no more written to protect the interests of 19th century Irish immigrants and their US-citizen descendants than it was to protect the rights of people living in Iran, Libya, or Mexico today. The reason this fact still matters today is that to cede one claim is to automatically cede the other.”

    That means, for example, if your ancestors came from Italy in the late 1800′s, and they were God-fearing people, from Day’s perspective…they are essentially invaders, with their offspring labeled as “Fake Americans”. Makes no different if you are Euro-Christian, or even white…you must go back.

    Furthermore, apparently you and your ancestors should never have been granted ANY liberties as listed in our Constitution. He states “Immigrants, the children of immigrants, the grand-children of immigrants, and the great-grandchildren of immigrants should never be given the right to vote on anything. No one forced them to immigrate, and they always vote to change – and usually to ruin – the societies into which they have immigrated.”

    Imagine that…you and your ancestors have “ruined” this great land. Reminds me of a political cartoon from yesteryear.

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-anti-immigration-cartoon-entitled-unrestricted-immigration-and-its-32393339.html

    Finally, for those Euro-Christian Americans who insist on “white nationalism”, they better pay close attention. Day pens, “What a lot of people don’t realize is that pan nationalism is simply a form of ethnic imperialism. It is a category error to mistake the broader racial category for the national or ethnic category, so for example, when you look at the continent of Europe there are literally dozens of nations in there. You have the Russian nation which is distinct from the Swedish nation which is distinct from the Finnish nation which is distinct from the Scottish nation which is distinct from the English and the Welsh nations, and you could also theoretically argue that there is a Cornish nation. So when you start talking about white nationalism and you try to lump all of these nations into a single category and call them white, that’s where you get into nonsensical imperialism. Which nation is the dominant culture?”

    Now, who is this “ancestral enemy of our kindred peoples” you refer to?

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  131. @EliteCommInc.

    New Jersey may be an above-average state. What Dr. Walter Williams reported (viz. “Only 37 percent of 12th-graders tested proficient or better in reading, and only 25 percent did so in math. Among black students, only 17 percent tested proficient or better in reading, and just 7 percent reached at least a proficient level in math”) is in line with the national data shown on the official NAEP site, which can be viewed here: https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ndecore/landing

    The figures for 2015, which you can view on the NAEP site, are very similar.

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  132. Meimou says:
    @Anon

    Any other inside info you can give us?

  133. Mulegino1 says:
    @Corvinus

    It is totally unimportant to me what a science fiction writer believes or does not believe.

    The United States was founded by men who were mostly of English descent, but as is evident in the state papers and commentaries upon the founding documents, they were seeped in European history and culture, either that of antiquity, the medieval, renaissance and so called “enlightenment” periods. They were hardly parochial or provincial in their outlook.

    As the country developed, it became more and more manifest that America’s destiny was to become a homeland for those of European Christian provenance looking to free themselves from the squabbles and wars of dynastic Europe and build their own homes and livelihoods. It was never conceived of as a universalist “melting pot” for all of the peoples of the earth until the likes of revolutionary Zionists such as Israel Zangwill and Emma Lazarus started to propagate their childish fantasies. Whatever is written on the Statue of Liberty has no bearing on the meaning and providential purpose of America as an extension of greater Europa.

    I can only assume that your last question was a rhetorical one- you cannot be that obtuse.

    I assume your last question was a rhetorical one, as you cannot possibly

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  134. @HobbesianM

    Laugh — you do realize that upon reading your first sentence the entire Northeast coastline is in uproarious laughter.

    Smile. New Jersians of course quite agree, that they have long been underestimated.

    I have acknowledged the weakness in my example. But it does suggest that perhaps a look at the state proficiency exams across the country might reveal something different. I have always found it a peculiar view to measure US students to programs that funnel out their students who don’t make the grade to vocations as opposed to what we do in the US. in which everyone stays in school regardless of making the grade.

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  135. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “It is totally unimportant to me what a science fiction writer believes or does not believe.”

    Not just a science fiction writer, but an influential member of the Alt Right.

    “The United States was founded by men who were mostly of English descent, but as is evident in the state papers and commentaries upon the founding documents, they were seeped in European history and culture, either that of antiquity, the medieval, renaissance and so called “enlightenment” periods. They were hardly parochial or provincial in their outlook.”

    But the Founding Fathers were indeed parochial and provincial, as Day clearly states. English Protestants were the original people of America, the “true citizens” of our nation, with the papers and documents wreaking of Anglo-Saxon, NOT European, customs and traditions. So what you are doing here is riding on the coattails of those men and women who properly lay claim to our nation’s heritage. It’s patently shameful.

    “As the country developed, it became more and more manifest that America’s destiny was to become a homeland for those of European Christian provenance looking to free themselves from the squabbles and wars of dynastic Europe and build their own homes and livelihoods.”

    A homeland for particular group of people at that particular time. The greatness of the Founding Fathers lies in that future generations–i.e. our posterity–had the liberty to decide who would be able draw the breath of liberty.

    “It was never conceived of as a universalist “melting pot” for all of the peoples of the earth until the likes of revolutionary Zionists such as Israel Zangwill and Emma Lazarus started to propagate their childish fantasies.”

    If we take your point to its fullest conclusion, then any and all immigrants who came after the founding of our nation in 1787 are interlopers. So, are YOU are able to directly trace your ancestors before that year? And it assuredly was not “childish fantasies” for the tens of millions of European and non-European peoples who have come to our great land to build something for themselves and their families.

    Now, of course, this “melting pot” has, and will continue to, consisted of different groups of racial and ethnic groups. Recall that the nativists of the 1840′s and 1850′s were profoundly disturbed by the infusion of the Irish and Germans. It did not matter that they were European or white, it mattered that they were undesirable and utterly incapable of assimilating. So your notion that our nation was exclusively, at best, or primarily, at worst, founded for European interests falls flat on its face.

    “Whatever is written on the Statue of Liberty has no bearing on the meaning and providential purpose of America as an extension of greater Europa.”

    Actually, the purpose of America serves as an extension of what citizens, past and present, determine to be the appropriate course of action.

    “I can only assume that your last question was a rhetorical one- you cannot be that obtuse.”

    It was a direct question–Who is this “ancestral enemy of our kindred peoples” you refer to?

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  136. Talha says:
    @Corvinus

    Actually, the purpose of America serves as an extension of what citizens, past and present, determine to be the appropriate course of action.

    That’s at least how I always understood it even in a constitutional sense – ability to adapt to the needs and desires of its people.
    In a 1784 letter in search of a handyman, George Washington wrote, “If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mahometans, Jews or Christian of an[y] Sect, or they may be Atheists.”

    http://religion.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199340378.001.0001/acrefore-9780199340378-e-508

    Peace.

  137. Mulegino1 says:

    If we take your point to its fullest conclusion, then any and all immigrants who came after the founding of our nation in 1787 are interlopers. So, are YOU are able to directly trace your ancestors before that year? And it assuredly was not “childish fantasies” for the tens of millions of European and non-European peoples who have come to our great land to build something for themselves and their families.

    Most of my ancestors were here well before the founding of the US, but that is irrelevant. The Founders were mostly of English descent, but it is unrealistic to claim that they were chauvinistic and xenophobic Englishmen.

    True, there have always been nativist extremists in America who were opposed to all other European groups, but by the time of the Civil War their influence had faded and given way to a new, western looking view of America as a homeland for all those of European Christian descent wishing to build a home here, as was eloquently expressed by Lincoln in his debate with Douglas:

    Now irrespective of the moral aspect of this question as to whether there is a right or wrong in enslaving a negro, I am still in favor of our new Territories being in such a condition that white men may find a home-may find some spot where they can better their condition-where they can settle upon new soil and better their condition in life. [Great and continued cheering.] I am in favor of this not merely, (I must say it here as I have elsewhere,) for our own people who are born amongst us, but as an outlet for free white people every where, the world over-in which Hans and Baptiste and Patrick, and all other men from all the world, may find new homes and better their conditions in life.

    It is quite obvious that where Lincoln referred to “all men” he was referring to those of European Christian descent, not Mongols, African Muslims, Australian Aborigines or Hindus.

    Assimilation- even for most Europeans- was never effortless and in many cases difficult, but it worked out because we all share a commonality of origins and a common spiritual heritage in Christendom. By the 1920′s, America had a big enough population in which chronic labor shortages were a thing of the past, so there was little need for further waves of mass immigration. America’s best years were almost certainly the postwar years, up to the disastrous Immigration Act of 1965.

    My home state of California was transformed from the beautiful, clean, prosperous and orderly place in 1964 to the dystopian multicultural garbage dump of 2018.

    As to your question about the ancestral enemy of the European Christians, the answer is obvious. One avoids writing “the Jews” out of a sense of justice towards those who are simply born or brought up Jewish. I would specify: International Organized Jewry. What it has done to Christian Europe (and the Middle East) dwarfs anything realistically imputed to the Third Reich in scale and malevolence.

    • Agree: Mike P
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    , @Corvinus
  138. Mike P says:
    @Mulegino1

    America’s best years were almost certainly the postwar years, up to the disastrous Immigration Act of 1965.

    My home state of California was transformed from the beautiful, clean, prosperous and orderly place in 1964 to the dystopian multicultural garbage dump of 2018.

    If I understand that immigration act correctly, it still maintained some sort of merit-based system for immigration? To what extent is the “garbage dump” due to legal immigration under that act, as opposed to illegal immigration?

    Just wondering, not arguing.

  139. Mulegino1 says:

    The best answer that I can give you offhand that once the controls of legal immigration are greatly relaxed, this will encourage illegal immigration, through chain migration. Basically, once they’re in- legally or illegally- the family member sponsors them or ties up their removal in litigation.

  140. @AnonFromTN

    OK, basically what I said. But, the Chinese are Mongoloids, a second-tier race. The little they invented would eventually have been invented by Caucasians/Europeans. Again, they contributed little to civilization and today contribute nothing.

  141. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “Most of my ancestors were here well before the founding of the US, but that is irrelevant.”

    On the contrary, it is most relevant. Since you admitted that a few of your ancestors came AFTER the founding of our great nation, they were not “Heritage Americans”, and dare I state who believed in the proposition, or what Sailer says is “magic dirt”. Nativists, of course, called these groups of people utterly unassimilable, who would transform the United States in decidedly perverse ways. You do understand your conundrum, right?

    “The Founders were mostly of English descent, but it is unrealistic to claim that they were chauvinistic and xenophobic Englishmen.”

    That would be a strawman on your part, as I never directly or indirectly made this claim. But, assuredly, there were colonial elites like Benjamin Franklin who showcased their disdain for Europeans, specifically the Germans –> “Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.”

    “True, there have always been nativist extremists in America who were opposed to all other European groups, but by the time of the Civil War their influence had faded and given way to a new, western looking view of America as a homeland for all those of European Christian descent wishing to build a home here…”

    You are woefully ignorant on this matter. The nativists in the late 1800′s were decidedly influential on immigration matters, and their efforts against the “unwashed” and “alien” peoples from Eastern and Southern Europe culminated in two pieces of legislation in the early 1920′s that (gasp) instituted quotas that curtailed immigration those regions. Why? Because Poles, Slavs, and Italians “[did] not respect the Constitution, and with good reason, since it was not written to defend their rights and they have never understood it. They are not, and never will be, Posterity”.

    “…as was eloquently expressed by Lincoln in his debate with Douglas:”

    He was referring to white men, which is other surprising at the time. He was a product of his generation. You do realize that his position on black liberty evolved from 1858 to 1865, right? And, again, the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to determine whether or not “Mongols, African Muslims, Australian Aborigines, or Hindus” would be able to emigrate to the States and become citizens.

    “Assimilation- even for most Europeans- was never effortless and in many cases difficult, but it worked out because we all share a commonality of origins and a common spiritual heritage in Christendom.”

    Nativists did not take too kindly to Italian Roman Catholics or Polish Jews running amok in our nation.

    “My home state of California was transformed from the beautiful, clean, prosperous and orderly place in 1964 to the dystopian multicultural garbage dump of 2018.”

    That would a false characterization on your part.

    “As to your question about the ancestral enemy of the European Christians, the answer is obvious. One avoids writing “the Jews” out of a sense of justice towards those who are simply born or brought up Jewish. I would specify: International Organized Jewry.”

    The answer is other than obvious, especially in the context of nativism. To nativists, the “enemy” were non-WASPs. Would that include some of your ancestors?

    “What it has done to Christian Europe (and the Middle East) dwarfs anything realistically imputed to the Third Reich in scale and malevolence.”

    You would be offering an opinion here, not something that is an absolute truism.

  142. Mulegino1 says:

    On the contrary, it is most relevant. Since you admitted that a few of your ancestors came AFTER the founding of our great nation, they were not “Heritage Americans”, and dare I state who believed in the proposition, or what Sailer says is “magic dirt”. Nativists, of course, called these groups of people utterly unassimilable, who would transform the United States in decidedly perverse ways. You do understand your conundrum, right?

    I understand your straw man argument, but it is not very convincing. The Founders and those who came after them, would certainly have made a distinction between, on the one hand, an Irishman, a Frenchman and a German and a Bantu or Zulu on the other. That there were considerable ethnic rivalries and prejudices is beyond a doubt, but these were born from the principle that familiarity breeds contempt, and a functioning society could certainly be built on assimilating the former types as fundamentally equal (according to the law) but not the latter. By the time Andrew Jackson became president, the Catholic Irish were already on the ascent, as is evinced by Jackson’s appointment of Roger Brooke Taney as Chief Justice.

    He was referring to white men, which is other surprising at the time. He was a product of his generation. You do realize that his position on black liberty evolved from 1858 to 1865, right? And, again, the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to determine whether or not “Mongols, African Muslims, Australian Aborigines, or Hindus” would be able to emigrate to the States and become citizens.

    We are all products of our generation. If Lincoln’s Eurocentric view of man is considered passe today, our own society’s obsession with universal leveling equality and culturally suicidal policies of mass third world immigration will be considered utterly ridiculous tomorrow. The difference between Lincoln’s vision of America as a homeland for white Europeans and the multicultural religion’s rosy view of mass third world immigration is that the policy represented by the former resulted in the formation of a great economic and world power and the latter’s fulfillment will do nothing to strengthen that power and will likely destroy it. “Our strength is our diversity” can be true provided we define the term our properly; but when it only means creating a rootless, deracinated, unspiritual Babel of uniform consumers it is false.

    Nativists did not take too kindly to Italian Roman Catholics or Polish Jews running amok in our nation.

    Nobody takes kindly to anyone running amok in their nation, except perhaps the postwar German partisans of Merkel and her liberal ilk.

    That would a false characterization on your part.

    Anyone familiar with the Los Angeles of 1964 and the Los Angeles of today would concede my point. A state of the art, vibrant, clean and orderly city where civility prevailed to a dirty, filthy center of urban squalor, slums, traffic, dilapidation, homelessness and gang activity. Ditto for San Francisco.

  143. @Mulegino1

    Future observers won’t regard the current period as merely ridiculous, but as a manifestation of collective hysteria and insanity with few if any parallels. And they will lay the blame squarely and accurately at the feet of Organized Jewry, whose influence (if not outright control) over the levers of mass media and mass politics leaves little doubt as to blame.

    BTW, Corvinus is a complete cuck. We know what history will say of his ilk. The word “traitor”’comes to mind.

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  144. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “I understand your straw man argument, but it is not very convincing.”

    It’s an argument, one that is offered not by me, but by a (supposed) keen mind of the Alt Right, and one that you have yet to offer a cogent rebuttal.

    “The Founders and those who came after them, would certainly have made a distinction between, on the one hand, an Irishman, a Frenchman and a German and a Bantu or Zulu on the other.”

    Indeed, but the Founders had also established a “ethnic hierarchy”, as evident by Franklin’s sentiments, by which certain groups were deemed other than desirable. Were some of your own ancestors put in that category? Perhaps that is why you are noticeably silent on the matter.

    “That there were considerable ethnic rivalries and prejudices is beyond a doubt, but these were born from the principle that familiarity breeds contempt, and a functioning society could certainly be built on assimilating the former types as fundamentally equal (according to the law) but not the latter.”

    No, these rivalries were developed first and foremost on the European mainland that lasted hundreds of years, and then spilled onto the American shores. Intermarriage over generations in the United States eventually smoothed over the rough edges.

    “By the time Andrew Jackson became president, the Catholic Irish were already on the ascent, as is evinced by Jackson’s appointment of Roger Brooke Taney as Chief Justice.”

    Taney was rewarded for his loyalty. As a Roman Catholic, he was loathed by nativists for his “filthy religion”. Furthermore, it would not be until the 1860′s and 1870′s before the Irish, by way of their political machines, dominated Eastern Seaboard politics.

    “…our own society’s obsession with universal leveling equality and culturally suicidal policies of mass third world immigration will be considered utterly ridiculous tomorrow.”

    COULD BE considered, but highly unlikely given the general attitude of (white) Americans toward race and culture, in particular Generation Z.

    “The difference between Lincoln’s vision of America as a homeland for white Europeans…”

    As a homeland for future Americans, which at the time was white.

    “and the multicultural religion’s…”

    Multiculturalism is NOT a religion, it is an ideology. Big difference there.

    “rosy view of mass third world immigration is that the policy represented by the former resulted in the formation of a great economic and world power…”

    Indeed, cheap immigrant labor brokered by the “robber barons”.

    “and the latter’s fulfillment will do nothing to strengthen that power and will likely destroy it.”

    Maybe, maybe not.

    “Our strength is our diversity” can be true provided we define the term our properly; but when it only means creating a rootless, deracinated, unspiritual Babel of uniform consumers it is false.”

    That concept means substantially more than what you are making it out to be.

    “Nobody takes kindly to anyone running amok in their nation, except perhaps the postwar German partisans of Merkel and her liberal ilk.”

    You do recall you had stated that the impact of nativist extremist had dissipated post-Civil War, now you are accepting the fact their influence was indeed a powerful force. Do you even know if you are coming or going? Moreover, there is the ASSUMPTION that Eastern and Southern Europeans back then, and the Vietnamese, Bantus, and Guatamalans of today are “running amok” in our nation.

    “Anyone familiar with the Los Angeles of 1964 and the Los Angeles of today would concede my point. A state of the art, vibrant, clean and orderly city where civility prevailed to a dirty, filthy center of urban squalor, slums, traffic, dilapidation, homelessness and gang activity. Ditto for San Francisco.”

    I am quite cognizant of both communities back then and even now, and you are way overstating your case.

  145. @Corvinus

    Point proved. Only a cuck would think to reference Paul Simon.

  146. @unpc downunder

    In addition to your list of pioneering American educational achievements, I would add these:

    - dumbing down textbooks and reading lists so the low ability-kids can keep up, depriving, as a side effect, the bright kids of the opportunity to stretch themselves and build vocabulary
    - refusing to teach grammar properly
    - filling a large proportion of classroom time with group play activities (especially, but not only, in elementary school), wherein students are supposed to discover things for themselves
    -implementing these activities in a “democratic” fashion, emphasizing equality,
    -removing moral education from the curriculum,
    - delaying learning rudiments of French, Latin, or any second language until after elementary school.

    Most of these things were originally advocated by Jean-Jacques Rousseau (in Emile), but were pushed in America by John Dewey in the early 20th century, and were widely copied in Europe during the second half of that century. Maria Montessori, in Italy, had similar ideas, but John Dewey had more influence. The textbook dumbing-down happened in the 1960s/70s.

  147. Mulegino1 says:

    Indeed, but the Founders had also established a “ethnic hierarchy”, as evident by Franklin’s sentiments, by which certain groups were deemed other than desirable. Were some of your own ancestors put in that category? Perhaps that is why you are noticeably silent on the matter.

    The founders may have had an “ethnic hierarchy”, but it was hardly a rigid or intransigent one. And it was a hierarchy perceived to exist within the civilized world of European culture, not outside of it. Again, there was a lot of prejudice and animosity based upon the interaction of European nations and ethnicities, as there was among the ancient Hellenes; yet, it is doubtful that the Founders would have attributed barbarian status to the non-English Europeans.

    No, these rivalries were developed first and foremost on the European mainland that lasted hundreds of years, and then spilled onto the American shores. Intermarriage over generations in the United States eventually smoothed over the rough edges.

    Precisely my point. They all occurred within European Christendom; by the time of the nation’s founding, many years had passed since the Siege of Vienna and the Battle of Lepanto, and over 100 years since the Treaty of Westphalia, which laid the foundation for the Europe of nations. There was indeed a “Pan-European” identity inherited from Christendom, which, of course, did not preclude wars between European nations. The ethnic hatreds and prejudices persisted more in Europe than in America.

    Taney was rewarded for his loyalty. As a Roman Catholic, he was loathed by nativists for his “filthy religion”. Furthermore, it would not be until the 1860′s and 1870′s before the Irish, by way of their political machines, dominated Eastern Seaboard politics.

    A political appointment of this magnitude is an appreciable act of state, not withstanding the “loathing” of a section of the population. Within 60 years of its founding, a member of one of the groups supposedly “unfit” to be Americans according to the “ethnic hierarchy” had become the head of a branch of government.

    As a homeland for future Americans, which at the time was white.

    White European. The nation was founded by white Europeans for white Europeans. Its founding documents, legal system, system of government, culture, language and major religious heritage are all European. This must be acknowledged, and it must also be acknowledged that there are plenty of people in the third world whose folkways, beliefs and culture are not compatible with the American system.

    Multiculturalism is NOT a religion, it is an ideology. Big difference there.

    Suffice it to say then, that multiculturalism is a tributary of the pseudo-religion of globalism, then.

    You do recall you had stated that the impact of nativist extremist had dissipated post-Civil War, now you are accepting the fact their influence was indeed a powerful force. Do you even know if you are coming or going? Moreover, there is the ASSUMPTION that Eastern and Southern Europeans back then, and the Vietnamese, Bantus, and Guatamalans of today are “running amok” in our nation.

    Of course. But “Polish” Jewry had always been hostile to Christian order. Even their more cultured and assimilated coreligionists in Germany could not stand the Polish Jews.

    I am quite cognizant of both communities back then and even now, and you are way overstating your case.

    I prefer to visit a city in which one does not have to make use of a “poop map” to dodge fecal friendly zones.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  148. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “The founders –may have had– an “ethnic hierarchy”, but it was hardly a rigid or intransigent one.”

    –did have–. According to Franklin, it was to be unyielding. Furthermore, as soon as numbers of the lower end of ethnic totem pole were “threatening” the nation’s character in the 1850′s and in the late 1800′s by “teeming hordes”, that hierarchy was insisted by nativists to be strictly observed.

    “And it was a hierarchy perceived to exist within the civilized world of European culture [x], not outside of it.”

    [x] = in the 1700′s, but with the foresight of the Founding Fathers, future generations could make changes they deemed proper and necessary. Remember, our nation is NOT static, but dynamic.

    “Again, there was a lot of prejudice and animosity based upon the interaction of European nations and ethnicities, as there was among the ancient Hellenes; yet, it is doubtful that the Founders would have attributed barbarian status to the non-English Europeans.”

    Another strawman on your part, as I never stated nor implied that the Founding Fathers labeled non-English Europeans “barbarians”. Certainly, however, those “prejudices and animosities” held by Europeans toward their historic rivals led to stereotypes that still remain today, at best, and to outright butchery, at worst. Furthermore, according to the fine poster Talha, he notes that “In a 1784 letter in search of a handyman, George Washington wrote, “If they are good workmen, they may be of Asia, Africa, or Europe. They may be Mahometans, Jews or Christian of an[y] Sect, or they may be Atheists.”

    “Precisely my point. They all occurred within European Christendom; by the time of the nation’s founding, many years had passed since the Siege of Vienna and the Battle of Lepanto, and over 100 years since the Treaty of Westphalia, which laid the foundation for the Europe of nations. There was indeed a “Pan-European” identity inherited from Christendom, which, of course, did not preclude wars between European nations. The ethnic hatreds and prejudices persisted more in Europe than in America.”

    But as I correctly stated, those “hatreds and prejudices” made their way to the States and remain entrenched until the 20th century.

    “A political appointment of this magnitude is an appreciable act of state, not withstanding the “loathing” of a section of the population. Within 60 years of its founding, a member of one of the groups supposedly “unfit” to be Americans according to the “ethnic hierarchy” had become the head of a branch of government.”

    Again, due to Taney’s political loyalty. His appointment was not to be a sign of future opportunity for the Irish in our government. Those positions were specifically reserved for the “Founding Stock”.

    “White European. The nation was founded by white Europeans for white Europeans.”

    Our nation was initially founded and settled by a number of different groups, most notably Europeans, although enslaved Africans, Jews, and Native Americans also playing prominent roles.

    “Its founding documents, legal system, system of government, culture, language and major religious heritage are all European.”

    Anglo-Saxon based.

    “This must be acknowledged, and it must also be acknowledged that there are plenty of people in the third world whose folkways, beliefs and culture are not compatible with the American system.”

    What can be acknowledged is that you are arguing from a false premise. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are UNIVERSAL concepts, and people from different races and ethnicities have shown conclusively they are more than skilled to implement them in their daily lives as an American. Recall that nativists believed certain Europeans lacked the “genetic material” to adapt to our ways of life. The original nativists were profoundly disturbed how it changed given the propensities of the Irish and Germans. Did these undesirable traits simply disappear? No. Yet, these groups that historically were deemed as “dispensable” proved themselves, in similar fashion as the Vietnamese and Sudanese, to comprehend American values.

    “Suffice it to say then, that multiculturalism is a tributary of the pseudo-religion of globalism, then.”

    You are completely off base here. Globalism is NOT a “pseudo-religion”, but rather a group of political and economic ideologies that advocate the concept of globalization.

    “Of course. But “Polish” Jewry had always been hostile to Christian order. Even their more cultured and assimilated coreligionists in Germany could not stand the Polish Jews.”

    I will invoke Niwdog’s Law–as an online discussion continues with multiple posters, the likelihood of a person making assertions that the Jews are behind everything in the world that is “bad” exponentially grows.

  149. Mulegino1 says:

    Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are UNIVERSAL concepts, and people from different races and ethnicities have shown conclusively they are more than skilled to implement them in their daily lives as an American.

    Are you kidding? They are European, neo-Lockean concepts, confined narrowly to men of European Christian descent, and hold no more sway over the Chinese (an old and venerable civilization in its own right) than over the Australian aborigines or the Fiji Islanders than the Laws of Manu have over the Fijians or the Congolese, or the Hadiths over the Yaqui tribes of Sonora.

    Why do you dismiss alternative civilizations so readily? Why do you implicitly insist that all cultures and civilizations must or will adhere to a liberal, rationalist view that is the product of the European Enlightenment?

    Hernan Cortez knew he was not going to bring the Mexica Imperial System up to Christian standards of civilization by appealing to its sense of pure reason, so he conquered it and forced it to adopt to a modicum of civilized Christian standards and thereby stop that Satanic priesthood from cutting sacrificial victims’ hearts out. In doing so, he created the mestizo nation of Mexico.

    The construction of cosmopolitan civilization is for the most part a long, bloody, and futile venture, as is evinced by many of the many Mexican cartels reverting to sick pre-Columbian violence.

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    , @Corvinus
  150. Bliss says:
    @Mulegino1

    They are European, neo-Lockean concepts, confined narrowly to men of European Christian descent, and hold no more sway over the Chinese

    For your information, the European Enlightenment was significantly influenced by Chinese Confucianism. And hardly at all by Christianity.

    The Enlightenment principle of Egalitarianism contradicts your small minded racism. It’s principle of Secularism contradicts your insular religious restrictionism.

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  151. Bliss says:
    @AnonFromTN

    BTW, ancient Egyptians, as well as ancient people who lived between Tigris and Euphrates rivers and created first civilization roughly at the same time as Egyptians, in the 3rd millennium BC, were Semites (like Jews and Arabs)

    The ancient Egyptians weren’t semites. They were Africans racially akin to Ethiopians and Sudanese, not Jews and Arabs.

  152. Mulegino1 says:
    @Bliss

    For your information, the European Enlightenment was significantly influenced by Chinese Confucianism. And hardly at all by Christianity.

    The Enlightenment principle of Egalitarianism contradicts your small minded racism. It’s principle of Secularism contradicts your insular religious restrictionism.

    Claiming that the socially conservative and traditional principles of Confucianism significantly influenced the “Enlightenment” is akin to saying that Blaise Pascal or Julius Evola exercised a significant influence over the Frankfurt School. The secularists of the “Enlightenment” adhered to the false and mechanistic world view of Newton and Descartes. Their secularism had its pitiful end in Robespierre’s “Feast of the Supreme Being” and their notions of leveling equality in the Great Terror. Thank God for Bonaparte and his “whiff of grapeshot.”

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  153. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “Are you kidding? They are European, neo-Lockean concepts, confined narrowly to men of European Christian descent…”

    No, you are being patently obtuse here. The Founding Fathers core principles are applicable to ALL races and ethnicities, who have the philosophical pedigree to adopt them as they immerse themselves in our society. You are perfectly entitled to your own self-importance, but you displaying the imperial hubris that demands a sense of its own universalism. In other words, you are stuck in a now defunct world where one group is totally superior in knowledge and morality compared to other groups, which is a phantom pleasure of thinking itself as THE center of the universe. The Enlightenment was a liberating tsunami that washed away the notion of Europe’s own cosmopolitan worldliness and enabled individuals from “far away places” like Mexico and Nigeria take the ideas of Locke and Voltaire and apply them to their lives.

    Now, if you do believe in this (false) premise, then you have a dilemma on your hands. The nativists made the SAME argument against certain European immigrants who came here in the mid to late 1800′s. The Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Slavs–ALL were designated as being genetically inferior and socially incapable of understanding Constitutional principles, or if they miraculously comprehended these core beliefs, they would be brutally misapplied. So, if you are of the mindset that the nativists were absolutely wrong in this assessment, or that these four groups indeed had the skillset to comprehend life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you open up the door for the same argument to be used against you when stating that non-Europeans are ill-equipped to embrace neo-Lockean concepts.

    “Why do you dismiss alternative civilizations so readily? Why do you implicitly insist that all cultures and civilizations must or will adhere to a liberal, rationalist view that is the product of the European Enlightenment?”

    Another strawman on your part. The Three Little Pigs thank you. But if you insist on playing the game here, right back at you–Why do you explicitly insist that all cultures and civilizations which are non-European cannot or do not have the intellectual chops to be able to grasp elementary ideas from Enlightenment thinkers?

    “Hernan Cortez knew he was not going to bring the Mexica Imperial System up to Christian standards of civilization by appealing to its sense of pure reason…”

    First, according to Cortez, he believed that “Christian standards of civilization” was the end all and be all. I do not blame him for that mindset, as he was ignorant of how other cultures operated. He had but only one frame of reference. On the other hand, Spanish theologian Bartolome de las Casas, a man ahead of his time, was clear in his disgust with his fellow Europeans–”The reason the Christians have murdered on such a vast sale and killed anyone and everyone in their way is purely and simply greed…The reader may ask himself if this is not cruelty and injustice of a kind so terrible that it beggars the imagination, and whether these poor people would not fare better if they were entrusted to the devils in Hell than they do at the hands of devils of the New World who masquerade as Christians.”

    It would appear de las Casas is saying that the native peoples would have been better served to their own devices, rather than be jackbooted by Europeans whose bloodlust was legendary…and in-born.

    “so he conquered it and forced it to adopt to a modicum of civilized Christian standards and thereby stop that Satanic priesthood from cutting sacrificial victims’ hearts out. In doing so, he created the mestizo nation of Mexico.”

    Of course, de las Casas had his own prejudices when he said “it clearly appears that there are no races in the world, however rude, uncultivated, barbarous, gross, or almost brutal they may be, who cannot be persuaded and brought to a good order and way of life, and made domestic, mild, and tractable provided…the method that is proper and natural to men is used; that is, love and gentleness and kindness.”

    “The construction of cosmopolitan civilization is for the most part a long, bloody, and futile venture, as is evinced by many of the many Mexican cartels reverting to sick pre-Columbian violence.”

    Or as demonstrated by the reverberating, long-lasting effects known as colonialism and imperialism. See how you box yourself in, and foolish you appear, with your own logic being used against you?

    It bears worth repeating–Since you admitted that a few of your ancestors came AFTER the founding of our great nation, they were not “Heritage Americans”, and dare I state who believed in the proposition, or what Sailer says is “magic dirt”. Nativists, of course, called these groups of people utterly unassimilable, who would transform the United States in decidedly perverse ways. You do understand your conundrum, right?

  154. Mulegino1 says:

    Now, if you do believe in this (false) premise, then you have a dilemma on your hands. The nativists made the SAME argument against certain European immigrants who came here in the mid to late 1800′s. The Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the Slavs–ALL were designated as being genetically inferior and socially incapable of understanding Constitutional principles…

    Except I do not believe in that false premise. I do not believe that there is only one model for civilization, and I certainly do not believe in the conformity of all people to one model, since that is not the way the world of men works. Europeans are for the most part, not fitted for live in primitive cultures any more than the members of primitive cultures are fitted for life in the European culture
    and civilization. There are other great civilizations besides that of Europe, such as those of China, Persia and India, but Europeans are, for the most part, not suited to live within them either. The so called “Enlightenment” was a distortion and detour of European civilization and culture based upon a false world view- a world view based upon a mechanistic, Newtonian/Cartesian view of the world. It led to absurdities such as materialistic scientism and the notion of infinite linear progress. Its effects were not good. Fortunately, there were enough Europeans immunized to its effects- due to their familiarity with the high points of European Christendom- to thwart its worst effects, and to make use of its more sane and useful elements- as, for the most part, America’s founders did. This was not the case with the adoption of Enlightenment and liberal ideals by non-Europeans, the effects of which have been catastrophic and horrendously bloody, culminating in the horrors of globalization and decolonization.

    As for the fact that there were nativists who considered Italians and Slavs as inferior, there have always been idiots and ignoramuses within every culture, but I daresay not even the most extreme nativist would have put such European ethnicities in the same category as a Berber or a Maori tribesman- not even close.

    Why do you explicitly insist that all cultures and civilizations which are non-European cannot or do not have the intellectual chops to be able to grasp elementary ideas from Enlightenment thinkers?

    I never wrote that. Members of other cultures and civilizations not European were fully able to understand such “Enlightenment” thinkers and were horrified by their ideas.

    First, according to Cortez, he believed that “Christian standards of civilization” was the end all and be all. I do not blame him for that mindset, as he was ignorant of how other cultures operated.

    Cortez probably understood better than most of our contemporaries how that particular degenerate and murderous culture worked as he observed it firsthand. More importantly, he knew how to make alliances with the other indigenous tribes which were its victims which enabled him to conquer and destroy the thing.

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  155. Bliss says:
    @Mulegino1

    Claiming that the socially conservative and traditional principles of Confucianism significantly influenced the “Enlightenment” is akin to saying that Blaise Pascal or Julius Evola exercised a significant influence over the Frankfurt School

    You reveal your ignorance:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy

    According to scholarly consensus, the earliest example of an administrative meritocracy, based on civil service examinations, dates back to Ancient China. The concept originates, at least by the sixth century BC, when it was advocated by the Chinese philosopher Confucius, who “invented the notion that those who govern should do so because of merit, not of inherited status. This sets in motion the creation of the imperial examinations and bureaucracies open only to those who passed tests.”

    The concept of meritocracy spread from China to British India during the seventeenth century, and then into continental Europe and the United States. With the translation of Confucian texts during the Enlightenment, the concept of a meritocracy reached intellectuals in the West, who saw it as an alternative to the traditional ancient regime of Europe. Voltaire and François Quesnay wrote favourably of the idea, with Voltaire claiming that the Chinese had “perfected moral science” and Quesnay advocating an economic and political system modeled after that of the Chinese

    The secularists of the “Enlightenment” adhered to the false and mechanistic world view of Newton and Descartes.

    Who was more European: Newton and the Enlightenment philosophers or Jesus and the Apostles?

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  156. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “Europeans are for the most part, not fitted for live in primitive cultures any more than the members of primitive cultures are fitted for life in the European culture and civilization.”

    Assuming that non-European cultures are “primitive”.

    “There are other great civilizations besides that of Europe, such as those of China, Persia and India, but Europeans are, for the most part, not suited to live within them either.”

    European colonization and imperialism would beg to differ.

    “The so called “Enlightenment” was a distortion and detour of European civilization and culture…

    Not a “so-called Enlightenment”, but Enlightenment, which was an expansion of human civilization and culture inspired by events and ideas that began in Europe.

    “based upon a false world view”.

    It was based on logic.

    “It led to absurdities such as materialistic scientism and the notion of infinite linear progress. Its effects were not good.”

    There is nothing absurd about the growth of the human mind and the expansion of our capabilities as a species. Your grasping at straws here.

    “Fortunately, there were enough Europeans immunized to its effects- due to their familiarity with the high points of European Christendom- to thwart its worst effects, and to make use of its more sane and useful elements- as, for the most part, America’s founders did.”

    And who would be these Europeans who were inoculated? In what ways did they “thwart its worst effects”?

    “This was not the case with the adoption of Enlightenment and liberal ideals by non-Europeans, the effects of which have been catastrophic and horrendously bloody, culminating in the horrors of globalization and decolonization.”

    Decolonization was a glorious end result of Enlightenment thought. Why on earth would you seemingly support people to remain subjugated is beyond me.

    “As for the fact that there were nativists who considered Italians and Slavs as inferior, there have always been idiots and ignoramuses within every culture, but I daresay not even the most extreme nativist would have put such European ethnicities in the same category as a Berber or a Maori tribesman–not even close.”

    But Italians and Slavs were essentially put in that category by their European countrymen, as these two groups were deemed genetically inferior and socially incapable of understanding Enlightenment principles. They were labeled as “indolent savages”. So how did these two groups magically transform themselves into well-adjusted Americans given their undesirable traits?

    “I never wrote that.”

    You said to me, “Why do you dismiss alternative civilizations so readily?”. That would be a strawman on your part. Then you said, “Why do you implicitly insist that all cultures and civilizations must or will adhere to a liberal, rationalist view that is the product of the European Enlightenment?” Which is another strawman on your part. I wrote back, tersely, since you seem to relish attributing statements I did not directly or indirectly make “Why do you explicitly insist that all cultures and civilizations which are non-European cannot or do not have the intellectual chops to be able to grasp elementary ideas from Enlightenment thinkers?”. Got it? Good.

    “Members of other cultures and civilizations not European were fully able to understand such “Enlightenment” thinkers and were horrified by their ideas.”

    Which cultures and civilizations were recoiled by these principles? On what basis and grounds? Regardless, non-Europeans who came to our shores wholeheartedly embraced the ideals of liberty, progress, fraternity, and constitutional government, as evident by their immersion in our body politic and our social institutions.

    “Cortez probably understood better than most of our contemporaries how that particular degenerate and murderous culture worked as he observed it firsthand.”

    More grasping at straws on your part. So how do you rectify de las Casas observations on the matter, given that Cortez’ own actions were demonstrably “degenerate and murderous”? You are really boxed in now…

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  157. Mulegino1 says:
    @Bliss

    It is not surprising that Quesnay would admire Confucianism and Taoism, since both of these quasi-religious/philosophical traditions- which favored harmony, continuity and respect for the natural hierarchy, were compatible with his position on economics as founder of the physiocrat school and his encouragement of adopting oriental despotism (no pejorative) or, as in the revised early version, “enlightened despot”, of which Frederick the Great was the perfect example.

    As for Voltaire, his love of novelty and curiosity – particularly about “Cathay” were no doubt the products of his Jesuit education. Voltaire was a talented polemicist or caricaturist, but not much of a profound thinker.

    The “Rites Controversy” is a fascinating, but much ignored episode in history. The Jesuits were on the side of inculturation and the Franciscans were on the side of tradition.

    Jesus and the Apostles laid the groundwork for the establishment of Christendom. As Belloc wrote, “Europe is the Church and the Church is Europe.” Descartes, and Newton (the latter much more so, deeply seeped in occult and cabalistic mummery), were symbols of the long decline of Christendom, which had been ongoing since the so called “Renaissance.”

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  158. Mulegino1 says:
    @Corvinus

    European colonization and imperialism would beg to differ.

    Not exactly. The European colonizers did not live within the culture and society of their respective colonies but ruled over them as foreigners.

    Enlightenment, which was an expansion of human civilization and culture inspired by events and ideas that began in Europe.

    Would that be the same “Enlightenment” which led to the horrors of the Great Terror, and by extension, the Bolshevik Revolution, and the wars carried out by the “liberal democracies” which involved the most barbaric methods of warfare of all time, namely the deliberate incendiary bombing of civilian targets and the use of atomic weaponry?

    There is nothing absurd about the growth of the human mind and the expansion of our capabilities as a species.

    I think you mean the growth of a metastasizing tumor within the human mind, which has now led to perverted concepts such as gender fluidity, homosexual “marriage” and transhumanism.

    Which cultures and civilizations were recoiled by these principles? On what basis and grounds? Regardless, non-Europeans who came to our shores wholeheartedly embraced the ideals of liberty, progress, fraternity, and constitutional government, as evident by their immersion in our body politic and our social institutions.

    Most cultures and civilizations rooted in tradition and the natural patterns of hierarchy, family, religion, and structured society. Rene Guenon’s “Crisis of the Modern World” and “The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times” are excellent, if often ignored, master works on this subject.

    The masonic ideals of “liberty, progress, fraternity” or “liberte, egalite, fraternite” are pied piper creedal concepts, and are useless for creating a truly organic culture or society.

    Cortez’ own actions were demonstrably “degenerate and murderous”?

    Wrong again. They were necessary martial actions against a bunch of murderous degenerates, who had somehow taken possession of the cultural landmarks of a far more ancient (than the Mexica) civilization and turned them into a worship involving the most repulsive and diabolical acts of human sacrifice imaginable. Which was why Cortez had no problem allying with the Tlaxcaltecas against the Aztecs.

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  159. Bliss says:
    @Mulegino1

    Jesus and the Apostles laid the groundwork for the establishment of Christendom. As Belloc wrote, “Europe is the Church and the Church is Europe.”

    How can you say with a straight face that the Church is Europe when Christianity did not even originate in Europe? In fact Christianity wiped out all the native religions of Europe. Both Greco-Roman and Northern Barbarian.

    I note that you didn’t acknowledge you were wrong when you ridiculed the idea that the Enlightenment was influenced by Confucianism. That shows that you lack not just in knowledge but also in character. The latter being far worse than the former.

  160. Mulegino1 says:

    Confucianism- or rather the descriptions of it sent by the Jesuit missionaries in China- may have had an effect on certain European thinkers during the period of the so called “Enlightenment”, but little to none upon its liberal world view. The effects of said reports were a far greater influence on Leibniz than upon someone like Voltaire. Leibniz was no liberal and was virulently opposed to the Lockean epistemology and the mechanistic Newtonian notions that formed the foundation of the movement.

    If it were not for Christianity, the concept of a European culture or civilization would not even exist. Sure, there would be a land mass and a bunch of separate tribal confederacies, but there would have been nothing to unify them into a coherent civilization. You do know about the enormous influence of St. Benedict and the Benedictine Order in the civilizing of Europe, right? Incidentally, I did not write “Europe is the Church and the Church is Europe”- Hillaire Belloc did.

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    , @Bliss
  161. @Mulegino1

    I did not write “Europe is the Church and the Church is Europe”- Hillaire Belloc did.

    LOL. You guys and your bleating of “It’s the Church, I tell ya, the Church!” Soon the ancient Greek, Roman, and Celtic civilizations will be officially baptized retroactively.

    Church, schmurch. Is is saving Britain? France? Germany? The USA?

    Bollocks.

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  162. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “Not exactly. The European colonizers did not live within the culture and society of their respective colonies but ruled over them as foreigners.”

    Christian missionaries assuredly lived within the culture and society. In “The Christian Mission in Africa: International Conference held at Le Zonte, Belgium, September 14-20, 1926”, Jackson Davis depicts the observations and decisions made according to the pronounced needs of Africa, specifically how the Church would be able to continue to vigorously pursue ways of making the “Good News of Jesus Christ” at home in the culture and among the people to which it entered.

    “Would that be the same “Enlightenment” which led to the horrors of the Great Terror, and by extension, the Bolshevik Revolution, and the wars carried out by the “liberal democracies” which involved the most barbaric methods of warfare of all time, namely the deliberate incendiary bombing of civilian targets and the use of atomic weaponry?”

    False attribution on your part. The Enlightenment enabled people to use reason to seek out rational solutions to their political and economic problems, rather than advocate the use of force and violence to accomplish specific goals.

    “I think you mean the growth of a metastasizing tumor within the human mind, which has now led to perverted concepts such as gender fluidity, homosexual “marriage” and transhumanism.”

    Of course you are taking controversial topics and falsely attributing to them as the natural consequence of the Enlightenment, rather than focus on the broader result, that being people being able to make decisions for themselves, free from the shackles of absolute monarchs and narrowly defined religious dogma.

    “Most cultures and civilizations rooted in tradition and the natural patterns of hierarchy, family, religion, and structured society. Rene Guenon’s “Crisis of the Modern World” and “The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times” are excellent, if often ignored, master works on this subject.”

    Guenon is speaking from a particular perspective that he believes ALL people OUGHT to embrace–the return of tradition by way of the Catholic Church. He conveniently forgets that people have the freedom to choose their own faith, and that the citizens of nations have the liberty to decide whether historical conventions will remain steadfast, be modified, or be expunged.

    “The masonic ideals of “liberty, progress, fraternity” or “liberte, egalite, fraternite” are pied piper creedal concepts…”

    Not “masonic ideals”, they are simply “ideals”.

    Not “pied piper creedal concepts”, they are simply concepts, ones that are quite useful and personal.

    “and are useless for creating a truly organic culture or society.”

    You are in essence unilaterally defining here what is “truly organic”. Anything that falls short of that designation is deemed “useless”. While you have the liberty to take that position, it is but a personal opinion, one that is not mandatory for people to unequivocally accept.

    “Wrong again. They were necessary martial actions against a bunch of murderous degenerates, who had somehow taken possession of the cultural landmarks of a far more ancient (than the Mexica) civilization and turned them into a worship involving the most repulsive and diabolical acts of human sacrifice imaginable. Which was why Cortez had no problem allying with the Tlaxcaltecas against the Aztecs.”

    Actually, I am totally right on this matter. The intent of Cortez was not to free natives from their condition, but rather use them for his own designs to acquire power and mammon. His actions were other than necessary. You yourself had just stated that “[you] do not believe that there is only one model for civilization, and [you] certainly do not believe in the conformity of all people to one model, since that is not the way the world of men works.” Seems that you have another dilemma on your hands. If Cortez respected that model, however repugnant he felt about its purpose, then he would have secured the peace. Instead, he imposed his will onto this group in a horrifically violent fashion, with the Spanish eventually seizing control over a group of people to “save” them. More importantly, you crudely dismiss de las Casas stern condemnation, which was based on the Word of God, of Cortez conduct, which tells me everything about your character.

    Now that we have that out of the way, and you have been properly corrected, focus on this inquiry–Italians and Slavs were essentially put in that category by their European countrymen, as these two groups were deemed genetically inferior and socially incapable of understanding Enlightenment principles. They were labeled as “indolent savages”. So how did these two groups magically transform themselves into well-adjusted Americans given their undesirable traits?

    It also bears repeating (yet again)–Since you admitted that a few of your ancestors came AFTER the founding of our great nation, they were not “Heritage Americans”, and dare I state who believed in the proposition, or what Sailer says is “magic dirt”. Nativists, of course, called these groups of people utterly unassimilable, who would transform the United States in decidedly perverse ways. You do understand your conundrum, right?

  163. Mulegino1 says:
    @Dillon Sweeny

    It was the Church when Christianity still retained its virile, virtuous and transcendent character- when the estates of Christendom enjoyed their proper displacement in the European mind. These strengths in its character enabled Europe to fight off the Turks and the Mongols, to build the great cathedrals and universities, to engage in the crusades and colonize most of the globe (whether right or wrong).

    But right now, the public face of the Church (especially the Vatican) is one of corruption, feminized and infantile spirituality and worship, moral depravity and spiritual bankruptcy. The Judaization of the institution has taken its toll, as it has for society at large.

    Is is saving Britain? France? Germany? The USA?

    The UK is probably beyond saving, despite the existence of plenty of good people who embody the spirit of “Merry Old England”, historic Wales and Scotland, etc. Same for the Irish. The degeneration of the Royals from Victoria to the perverse dolts and pederasts of today has been precipitous. How could these sots make fit objects for public veneration?

    France is still suffering the disastrous consequences of 1789, and will continue to do so until the Jews and their masonic lackeys are stripped of power.

    If Germany does not get off its knees soon and stop the groveling, the ethno-masochism, the reviling of its past and cast off the yoke of its NATO satrapy, it will cease to exist.

    USA is at a crossroads right now. The next five or so years will determine whether it survives intact or becomes the Ukraine or South Africa of the Western Hemisphere.

    Italy, though, appears to be wising up.

  164. @Mulegino1

    It was the Church when Christianity still retained its virile

    Oooooh, how obtuse of me. It WAS the Church.

    Bollocks.

  165. @Mulegino1

    There is hope for Eastern Europe. Russia and Hungary are breaking free of the yoke, and despite their foolish susceptibility to US “promises”, the Poles are not beyond hope either.

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  166. Mulegino1 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I agree. The problem with the Poles is that they appear to be slow learners with respect to their own history.

  167. Bliss says:
    @Mulegino1

    The effects of said reports were a far greater influence on Leibniz than upon someone like Voltaire.

    Wrong again:

    http://projects.mcah.columbia.edu/nanxuntu/html/state/ideas.pdf

    But the most famous leader of the Enlightenment to fall under the Chinese spell was Voltaire (1694-1778), to whom Confucius was the greatest of all sages. A portrait of Confucius adorned the wall of his library….He praised it because it had no priesthood owning 20 percent of the land, and contrasted the religious tolerance of the Chinese, who had never tried to send missionaries to Europe, with the European habit of always forcing their own religious ideas upon other people.

    And Voltaire was a famous champion of Liberalism. Of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. He even championed the rights of animals and was a vegetarian.

    If it were not for Christianity, the concept of a European culture or civilization would not even exist. Sure, there would be a land mass and a bunch of separate tribal confederacies, but there would have been nothing to unify them into a coherent civilization.

    Such a thought could only arise in the mind of a descendant of the barbarians of Northern Europe who indeed had no civilization until they were

  168. Bliss says:
    @Mulegino1

    The effects of said reports were a far greater influence on Leibniz than upon someone like Voltaire.

    Wrong again:

    http://projects.mcah.columbia.edu/nanxuntu/html/state/ideas.pdf

    But the most famous leader of the Enlightenment to fall under the Chinese spell was Voltaire (1694-1778), to whom Confucius was the greatest of all sages. A portrait of Confucius adorned the wall of his library….He praised it because it had no priesthood owning 20 percent of the land, and contrasted the religious tolerance of the Chinese, who had never tried to send missionaries to Europe, with the European habit of always forcing their own religious ideas upon other people.

    And Voltaire was a famous champion of Liberalism. Of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. He even championed the rights of animals and therefore was a vegetarian.

    If it were not for Christianity, the concept of a European culture or civilization would not even exist. Sure, there would be a land mass and a bunch of separate tribal confederacies, but there would have been nothing to unify them into a coherent civilization.

    Such a thought could only arise in the mind of a descendant of the barbarian tribes of Northern Europe who indeed had no history of civilization until converted to the middle-eastern/african religion adopted by the Roman Empire under Constantine. The earliest signs of civilization you see in the north of Europe being the roman churches. Your vision is limited in time and space and your mind is small as a result.

  169. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “France is still suffering the disastrous consequences of 1789, and will continue to do so until the Jews and their masonic lackeys are stripped of power.”

    In reality, the French people are markedly better off from an absolute monarchy hell that was bent on tyranny.

    “USA is at a crossroads right now. The next five or so years will determine whether it survives intact or becomes the Ukraine or South Africa of the Western Hemisphere.”

    So how are you going to ensure that the United States will “survive intact”? In other words, what specific measures are you taking? Or, are you one of those armchair warriors who vociferously lament but do not lift a finger for your nation that has blessed you with liberty, compliments of the Founding Fathers and their implementation of Enlightenment ideals?

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  170. Mulegino1 says:

    Re: My claim that Leibniz was far more knowledgeable and more influenced by the reports of the Jesuits from China than Voltaire:

    Wrong again:

    http://projects.mcah.columbia.edu/nanxuntu/html/state/ideas.pdf

    But the most famous leader of the Enlightenment to fall under the Chinese spell was Voltaire (1694-1778), to whom Confucius was the greatest of all sages. A portrait of Confucius adorned the wall of his library….He praised it because it had no priesthood owning 20 percent of the land, and contrasted the religious tolerance of the Chinese, who had never tried to send missionaries to Europe, with the European habit of always forcing their own religious ideas upon other people.

    And Voltaire was a famous champion of Liberalism. Of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. He even championed the rights of animals and therefore was a vegetarian.

    You should have read the entire article:

    The story of how European thinkers of this period reacted to Chinese thought is a fascinating one that can
    only briefly be told here. The most striking example in the seventeenth century was the German
    philosopher, Leibniz (1646-1716), one of the most internationally minded men who ever lived. He read
    extensively on China, corresponded with Jesuits who had lived there, and wrote on Confucian philosophy.
    In a letter written in 1697, he announced: “I shall have to post a notice on my door: Bureau of Information
    for Chinese Knowledge.”
    Leibniz found in the mystic symbols contained in an ancient Chinese classic support for his own
    mathematical theories. There are striking parallels, too, between his philosophy and certain Confucian
    ideas. Above all, however, he had the dream of creating a new civilization that would be truly universal.
    This could be done, he believed, by consciously selecting and bringing together the best elements in
    Chinese and Western culture. This dream he expressed in a little book of 1697, Novissima Sinica or Latest
    News from China, in which he wrote: “I almost think it necessary that Chinese missionaries should be sent to
    us to teach the aims and practice of natural theology, as we send missionaries to them to instruct them in
    revealed religion.” Leibniz’s dream still remains, alas, only a dream!
    By many of his contemporaries, however, such theories were regarded as dangerous and revolutionary. A disciple of Leibniz, Christian Wolff (1679-1754), suffered persecution because of his admiration for China. In
    a lecture delivered at the University of Halle in 1721, he praised the Chinese system for successfully
    harmonizing individual happiness with the welfare of the state. He maintained that Confucianism was fully
    adequate as a way of life; that there was no real conflict between it and Christianity. For these bold words
    he was immediately accused of atheism, and, after a bitter attack, was forced to give up his position in the university.

    Unlike Voltaire, Leibniz actually corresponded with the Jesuit missionaries in China himself. Leibniz- ridiculed as Dr. Pangloss in Candide – had a mind which dwarfed that of the literary dilettante Voltaire, whose knowledge of “Confucianism” was most likely cursory.

    Under no circumstances can Leibniz or Wolff be considered as “liberal.”

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  171. Mulegino1 says:
    @Corvinus

    In reality, the French people are markedly better off from an absolute monarchy hell that was bent on tyranny.

    Yes, the French people had to fight back against Louis XVI because he initiated the Great Terror and carried out the horrendous mass murders in the Vendee just for sport. What a horrible despot!
    You have got it completely and utterly backwards.

    In other words, what specific measures are you taking? Or, are you one of those armchair warriors who vociferously lament but do not lift a finger for your nation that has blessed you with liberty, compliments of the Founding Fathers and their implementation of Enlightenment ideals?

    Short list:

    Control the nation’s borders, place severe limits of third world immigration, break up the media conglomerates, increase the social safety net for those who truly need it, restore Second Amendment rights, ban pride parades and queer marriage, ban most abortions, acknowledge the Christian heritage as paramount, arrest and extradite George Soros to Russia, break up the pedophile and human trafficking networks, and hold war crimes tribunals involving members of the last four administrations. Close down most (if not all) military bases abroad, slash defense spending, stop empire building, and dump the Israeli albatross around our neck. Break up the Wall St. investment banks, end the Federal Reserve and start issuing our own interest free currency. Partner with Russia and China in the New Silk Road endeavor, build a massive state of the art rail system linking to Eurasia through the Bering Straits, ban Monsanto from operating in the US.

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  172. @Mulegino1

    place severe limits of third world immigration

    Establish a 100-year moratorium on all immigration. All — no exceptions. Fine and imprison persons and corporations employing illegals. Ban all forms of H1B visa.

    break up the media conglomerates

    And define access to media (at cost) as a right of citizenship.

    increase the social safety net for those who truly need it

    Require sterilization of welfare females, and immediate abortion of any pregnancy while on welfare. Fund Medicare for all citizens by reducing MI-complex budget as necessary. Require periodic demonstration of effective health maintenance by all Medicare recipients

    restore Second Amendment rights

    Require demonstrated, continuing mental competence of individuals having firearms

    ban pride parades and queer marriage

    Right to demonstrate applies to queers and trannies, but marriage will be recognized only between male and female, by law

    ban most abortions

    Abortion to be a right through 20th week, health of female through 36th week

    acknowledge the Christian heritage as paramount

    Continue to recognize religious freedom and non-discrimination based on religion — this is not a theocracy

    arrest and extradite George Soros to Russia

    Just hang him.

    and hold war crimes tribunals involving members of the last four administrations.

    Priority is to expunge corruption from state, local and Federal government. Hang them, too.

    The rest … good enough.

  173. Corvinus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “Yes, the French people had to fight back against Louis XVI because he initiated the Great Terror and carried out the horrendous mass murders in the Vendee just for sport. What a horrible despot! You have got it completely and utterly backwards.”

    Here is the reality. Louis XVI was a despot. The Three Estates were in turmoil. The peasant class had enough of high taxation. The result was the overthrow of a government that no longer had the consent of the people. Political unrest ensued, with factional fighting. A dictator eventually gained control.

    “Control the nation’s borders [OK], place severe limits of third world immigration [YOU MEAN IMMIGRATION], break up the media conglomerates [DETAILS?], increase the social safety net for those who truly need it [THAT IS SOCIALISM], restore Second Amendment rights [NOTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY HERE], ban pride parades and queer marriage [NOPE--1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY], ban most abortions [OK], acknowledge the Christian heritage as paramount [NOPE--1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF RELIGION], arrest and extradite George Soros to Russia [REQUIRES EVIDENCE OF CRIME] , break up the pedophile and human trafficking networks [OK], and hold war crimes tribunals involving members of the last four administrations [REQUIRES EVIDENCE OF CRIMES]. Close down most (if not all) military bases abroad [NO], slash defense spending [OK], stop empire building [OK], and dump the Israeli albatross around our neck [ASSUMING ISRAEL AND JEWS ARE THIS "ALBRATROSS']. Break up the Wall St. investment banks [DETAILS?], end the Federal Reserve and start issuing our own interest free currency [UNCONSTITUTIONAL]. Partner with Russia and China in the New Silk Road endeavor [NO], build a massive state of the art rail system linking to Eurasia through the Bering Straits [WHY?], ban Monsanto from operating in the US [DETAILS?].

  174. Mulegino1 says:

    Break up the Wall St. investment banks [DETAILS?], end the Federal Reserve and start issuing our own interest free currency [UNCONSTITUTIONAL].

    In what sense is abolishing the privately owned Federal Reserve or the printing of interest free currency “unconstitutional”? The US government printed non-interest bearing greenbacks to finance the Civil War, backed by nothing more than the full faith and credit of the US.

    Partner with Russia and China in the New Silk Road endeavor [NO], build a massive state of the art rail system linking to Eurasia through the Bering Straits [WHY?], ban Monsanto from operating in the US [DETAILS?].

    Yes! Eurasian economic integration is the future of humanity- a new multi-polar world of cooperation between sovereign nations (as opposed to globalism and “world government”).

    Why not? The creation of public infrastructure and this vast improvement of the transportation grid would create jobs and exponential economic growth.

    Because the securing and protection of the food supply takes absolute eminent priority over corporate profit. The Russians were smart enough to ban Monsanto from operating on their own land mass, fortunately.

  175. Bliss says:
    @Mulegino1

    My claim that Leibniz was far more knowledgeable and more influenced by the reports of the Jesuits from China than Voltaire

    Your original claim was this:

    Claiming that the socially conservative and traditional principles of Confucianism significantly influenced the “Enlightenment” is akin to saying that Blaise Pascal or Julius Evola exercised a significant influence over the Frankfurt School.

    Which I refuted by pointing out that Voltaire, who significantly influenced the Enlightenment, was in turn significantly influenced by Confucius who he considered the greatest sage. Leibniz is irrelevant to the argument.

    Unlike Voltaire, Leibniz actually corresponded with the Jesuit missionaries in China himself. Leibniz- ridiculed as Dr. Pangloss in Candide – had a mind which dwarfed that of the literary dilettante Voltaire, whose knowledge of “Confucianism” was most likely cursory

    Leibniz is irrelevant. Your opinions are prejudiced by your religious brainwashing, anyway.

    You should have read the entire article

    I did. You obviously didn’t:

    http://projects.mcah.columbia.edu/nanxuntu/html/state/ideas.pdf

    But the most famous leader of the Enlightenment to fall under the Chinese spell was Voltaire

    To men infected with these new ideas, China provided a powerful stimulus. For in China they saw a great civilization that had evolved quite independently of, and earlier than, their own. Although not a Christian nation, it had nevertheless developed in Confucianism a high system of morals of its own. And, unlike Europe, it had done so without permitting a priesthood to become so powerful as to challenge the state’s……..Particularly was China admired as a land where government did not rest in the hands of a feudal aristocracy, as in Europe. Instead, it was managed by the mandarins — a group of highly educated scholars — who gained their official positions only after proving their worth by passing a series of state-administered examinations.

    Nothing like such a system seems to have been known among the other great civilizations of antiquity……the Chinese examinations were described repeatedly in Western literature on China of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, and aroused intense admiration among such men as Voltaire and Quesnay.

    During the eighteenth century…….many Englishmen referred to the example of China as an argument for establishing a universal civil service system in England itself. Most persistent among them was Thomas Taylor Meadows, a gifted man who served for many years in the British diplomatic service in China. In 1847 he published a book, Desultory Notes on the Government and People of China, whose main purpose, in his own words, was “to urge the institution of Public Service Competitive Examinations for all British subjects with a view to the Improvement of the British Executive and the Union of the British Empire.” In it he described the Chinese system and argued that “the long duration of the Chinese empire is solely and altogether owing to the good government which consists in the advancement of men of talent and merit only.”

    The British example was undoubtedly chiefly responsible for the establishment in America of a similar civil service system…..As in England, however, many people who derived personal benefit from the old spoils system strongly opposed the new idea. Some protested that the use of examinations to determine the fitness of candidates for office was Chinese, foreign, and, therefore, “un-American!” Consequently, it was not until 1883 that the proposal of l 868 was finally passed by the Congress. Today the principle of the civil service system has been accepted in virtually all democratic countries.

    The civil service system is undoubtedly one of China’s most precious intellectual gifts to the West.

  176. @EliteCommInc.

    The entire US coastline is obviously not the entire USA, so it’s not odd that NJ might be above the national average yet below the regional average.

    As for “funneling”, that doesn’t affect the national statistics, if students are funneled into different types of schools – only if they leave the school system completely.

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