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When people ask me what my new job is like, I tell them that I wake up very early and count the dead. When I say “very early,” I mean a few minutes after four a.m., as the sky is just softening to the color of faded purple corduroy. By “the dead,” I mostly mean people across the world that my government has killed or helped another nation’s government kill while I was sleeping.

Once I was a freelance reporter, spending weeks or months covering a single story. Today, I’m a news producer at Democracy Now! and, from the moment I arrive at the office, I’m scouring the wire services for the latest casualties from Washington’s war zones. It’s a disconcerting job for someone used to reporting stories on the ground. As I cull through the headlines — “Suspected U.S. drone strike kills 4 militants in Pakistan”; “U.S. troops dispatched to Kunduz to help Afghan forcesI’ve never felt so close to this country’s various combat zones. And yet I’m thousands of miles away.

Usually, I try to avoid talking about our wars once I leave the office. After all, what do I know? I wasn’t there when the American gunship began firing on that hospital Doctors Without Borders ran in Kunduz, and I didn’t get there afterwards either. Nor was I in Yemen’s Saada province a few weeks later when a Doctors Without Borders health clinic was bombed.

If you live here and don’t listen to Democracy Now!, odds are you didn’t even know that second strike happened. How is it possible, I think to myself, that bombing medical facilities isn’t front-page news? On that gutted clinic in Yemen, however, I can’t tell you much more. I know that the strike was carried out by U.S.-backed, Saudi-led forces, and that it happened only a few days after the Obama administration approved an $11.25 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia. But I don’t know what the air felt like that evening just before the missile hit the maternity ward.

Still, when your job is to chronicle these wars each morning, how can you not say something? How can you not start writing when our wars become all you think about, something you begin to dream about? How can you not respond when you realize, as I did recently, that the longest of them, the (second) U.S. war in Afghanistan, has stretched on for nearly half my life?

All this is my way of telling you that I need to talk to you about Kunduz.

A Calm Night in October

Like any good story, there’s what happened — and then there’s the version you’re asked to believe. Let’s start with the first one.

On Friday, October 2nd, staff members from the trauma center in Kunduz, Afghanistan, climbed to the roof of that hospital and laid out two large flags with the name of their organization: Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders), the Nobel-Prize-winning medical-humanitarian aid organization best known by its French acronym MSF. This wasn’t something the workers could have done days earlier. The previous Monday, September 28th, Taliban fighters had unexpectedly seized control of the fifth largest city in Afghanistan, as up to 7,000 government troops and police fled. Over the next days, the Afghan government’s efforts to retake the city sparked intense fighting between the Taliban and government troops backed by U.S. Special Operations forces.

As that fighting grew closer to the hospital, stray bullets pierced the ceiling of the intensive care unit and MSF staff were instructed to sleep inside the hospital compound. If any of them left, it was feared, they might be unable to safely return to work the next day.

And there was plenty of work to be done. One hundred wounded patients arrived on Monday — 36 of them in critical condition. The staff added 18 extra beds. Over the next four days, another 250 patients cycled through the emergency room alone. The building was so overcapacity that staff members put mattresses and pillows in corridors and administrative offices.

Fighter jets could be heard roaring overhead as the U.S. began launching airstrikes in support of the Afghan army’s haphazard efforts to retake the city. Most of the hospital’s staff refrained from even stepping outside.

By Friday, however, the fighting began to recede from the area around the hospital, and staff members felt safer climbing to the roof to spread out the flags in order to ensure that the facility would be identifiable from the air. The organization had also sent the hospital’s GPS coordinates to the U.S. Department of Defense, the Afghan Ministries of Interior and Defense, and the U.S. Army in Kabul four days earlier. The markers were just considered one more level of protection.

The hospital itself couldn’t be missed. Its lights blazed throughout Friday night and into the early hours of Saturday morning as doctors tried to tackle a “backlog of pending surgeries.” Outside the compound’s walls, the rest of the city, home to 270,000 inhabitants, was mostly dark. After a week of fighting, the hospital was one of the few buildings in the area that still had running generators and so the power to light itself. It was a relatively calm night, slightly overcast and unseasonably warm for early October. The sound of gunfire had receded, and some staff members even dared to step outside for the first time in days.

“The Single Deadliest Aircraft”

The explosions began just as staff members were putting patients under anesthesia in the operating room.

At 2:19 a.m., a representative of MSF in Kabul called the American-led NATO mission to Afghanistan to say that the hospital was being bombed. A minute later, an MSF representative called the Red Cross, then the United Nations. From New York, a member of MSF called the Pentagon.

We don’t know what was happening inside the Pentagon that night. We do know that, back in Kunduz, a U.S. AC-130 gunship was circling above the hospital’s main building.

The low-flying AC-130 is equipped with cannons and a 105-mm howitzer. It can fly at speeds of up to 300 miles per hour, but it’s designed, above all, to circle close to the ground while firing at targets below. As an article in the Washington Post explained, “The AC-130 essentially loiters over a target at around 7,000 feet, flying in a circle and firing from weapons ports mounted on the aircraft’s left side.”

The gunship is specially designed for night missions. The plane is equipped with infrared sensors, while its crew of 12 (or so) sport night-vision goggles. Manufactured by Lockheed Martin and Boeing, the older version of the plane, the AC-130H Spectre, cost $110 million apiece, while the newer AC-130U Spooky version goes for $210 million. One Special Operations Air Force captain described the gunship as “the single deadliest aircraft and flying squadron in the war on terrorism.” In 2002, this same type of gunship fired on a wedding party in Afghanistan’s Helmand province, killing more than 40 people.

Versions of the gunship have been in use by the U.S. military since the Vietnam War. An older model, which flew in Operation Desert Storm, the first Gulf War, is now on display at the National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. It was dubbed Azrael,which in both Hebrew and Arabic means the Angel of Death.

At 2:47 a.m., a representative from MSF in Kabul texted the American-led mission to Afghanistan that one of the Kunduz hospital’s staff members had just died, that many were missing, and that the trauma center was still under repeated fire.

Five minutes later, someone from the mission texted back: “I’m sorry to hear that. I still do not know what happened.”

At this point, the U.S. gunship above had been firing on the hospital’s main building on and off for more than 45 minutes. The strikes were, according to MSF Director of Operations Bart Janssens, very precise. “[The gunship] came four or five times over the hospital, and every time extremely precisely hit with a series of impacts on the main building of the hospital,” he told Reuters.

Surviving staff members recall that the first room to be attacked was the intensive care unit, which then held a number of patients, including two children. The strikes next hit the lab, the emergency room, the X-ray room, the mental health center, and the operating theaters, where two patients were lying on the operating tables. Both were killed.

Everyone capable of fleeing tried to do so: doctors, staff, patients. One man in a wheelchair was killed by flying shrapnel. Some people were on fire as they ran. One staff member was decapitated. As people fled the building, doctors and medical staff were hit by fire from the plane. Some who survived had the impression, from the sound of the plane, that it was following them as they ran.

“A Purpose to Kill and Destroy”

MSF’s hospital had been a fixture in Kunduz since August 2011, the only medical facility in the region. A photo snapped a few months after its opening showed a large sign affixed to the front gate of the compound: “The MSF Trauma Centre will prioritize treatment for war-wounded and other seriously injured persons, without regard to their ethnicity or political affiliations, and determined solely by their medical needs. No fee charged.” Above the text was an image of an automatic rifle surrounded by a red circle with two thick lines through it, indicating the hospital’s and the organization’s strict no-weapons policy in its facilities.

Doctors Without Borders opened the facility two years after it returned to Afghanistan. In 2004, the organization had pulled out of the country after five of its workers were killed in a roadside ambush in Badghis Province. In 2009, the group returned and began supporting a hospital in Kabul. Upon its reentry, Michiel Hofman, then a director of the organization, told the German magazine Der Spiegelthat he had been “shocked” to discover normal wartime rules of hospital neutrality didn’t seem to apply in the ongoing conflict. “International forces and police,” he said, “would regularly go into hospitals to harass patients. Hospitals would be attacked. There is a dire record of respecting the neutrality of health structures.”

That same year, a Swedish aid group running a hospital in Wardak Province accused the U.S. Army’s 10th Mountain Division of storming the facility and tying up hospital guards as the troops searched for members of the Taliban.

Nonetheless, the Kunduz hospital operated in relative peace until July 2015, when armed members of a U.S.-backed Afghan Special Operations team raided it, forcing the facility to close temporarily. It soon reopened. By October 2015, the site was under increasingly close surveillance by U.S. Special Operations analysts who, it was later reported, believed there might have been a Pakistani intelligence operative working out of the facility. (MSF officials insist that there were only nine international staff members, none of whom were Pakistani, no less intelligence operatives.)

In the days before the attack, those analysts had put together a cache of information about the hospital — including maps with the facility circled.

At 2:56 a.m., on the morning of the attack, an MSF representative in Kabul again texted an official of the American-led mission, demanding an end to the strikes, which had lasted nearly an hour. By then, flames had overtaken the main building, with children still trapped inside. Abdul Manar, a caretaker at the hospital, recalled the sound of their cries. “I could hear them screaming for help inside the hospital while it was set ablaze by the bombing,” he toldAl Jazeera.

“I’ll do my best,” the official responded. “Praying for you all.”

The strikes nonetheless continued. At 3:10 and 3:14, MSF again called the Pentagon. Finally, sometime around 3:15 a.m., the gunship flew off and the strikes were over.

With the operating rooms destroyed, surviving staff members turned an office desk into a makeshift operating table and attempted to treat a doctor whose leg had been blown off. Lajos Zoltan Jecs, a nurse, helped with the surgery. The doctor, he recalled, died atop that desk. “We did our best,” he wrote later, “but it wasn’t enough.”

The staff were in shock. Many were crying. Jecs and others went to check on the damage in the intensive care unit only to find six patients burning in their beds.

In all, 30 people died: 13 staff members, 10 patients, and seven bodies so badly burned that, more than a month later, the remains have not yet been identified.

The hospital closed that same day. About two weeks later, a U.S. tank rammed into the shell of the charred building, possibly destroying evidence of what that AC-130 had done. All told, MSF General Director Christopher Stokes concluded: “The view from inside the hospital is that this attack was conducted with a purpose to kill and destroy. But we don’t know why.”

Another Version of the Story

That’s one version of the story, based on a Doctors Without Borders preliminary report on the destruction of their hospital, released on November 5th, as well as on articles published by Reuters , the Associated Press, the Washington Post, the New York Times, and Al Jazeera, the testimonies of medical staff published by MSF, and a Democracy Now! interview with the executive director of MSF USA.

Here’s the second version of the story, the one we in the United States are meant to believe. It’s far more confusing and lacking in details, but don’t worry, it’s much shorter.

On October 3rd, an American AC-130 gunship “mistakenly struck” a hospital run by Doctors Without Borders in Kunduz. The attack was ordered by U.S. Special Operations forces, possibly at the behest of the Afghan army (or maybe not).

Earlier contradictory accounts, all issued within the span of four days, go as follows: (1) it may not have been an American air strike; (2) the U.S. launched airstrikes in the neighborhood of the hospital and the facility was hit by accident; (3) the hospital was hit because American Special Operations forces were under fire near the hospital and called in the strikes in their own defense; (4) the facility was hit because Afghan forces supported by that Special Ops unit “advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from U.S. forces.”

As the story changed, culpability shifted back and forth. The Afghans, not the Americans, had called in the attack. No, the Afghans never directly called in the attack. The Americans called in the attack from within the U.S. chain of command.

In the end, the bottom line from Washington was: we’re conducting a full investigation and one of these days we’ll get back to you with the details.

This second version of the story (in its many iterations) came from commander of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan General John Campbell, White House spokesperson Josh Earnest, and Pentagon spokesperson Peter Cook. Unnamed sources added some colorful, although unsupported allegations about a Pakistani intelligence agent or armed Taliban fighters being inside the hospital — despite all evidence to the contrary.

Campbell offered his “deepest condolences.” President Obama called the head of MSF and personally apologized for the “tragic incident.” The Pentagon promised to make “condolence payments” to the families of those killed.

Several investigations into the “incident” were launched by the Pentagon and a joint Afghan-NATO team. However, MSF’s repeated call for an independent investigation by the International Humanitarian Fact-Finding Commission, established under the additional protocols to the Geneva Convention, have been ducked or ignored.

There is, at least, one aspect both accounts agree on: the timing.

It’s undisputed that the attack occurred on October 3, 2015 — just over nine months after President Obama officially declared the ending of the U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan.

All the Unknown Deaths

In the mornings as I scan the news, I’m often overcome by the absurdity of writing about ongoing wars that have officially ended or a hospital that has been “mistakenly” struck with exceptional precision. The U.S. bombing of that trauma center in Kunduz was indisputably horrific, “one of the worst episodes of civilian casualties in the Afghan war,” as the New York Timesdescribed it. But its outrageousness comes, in part, because for once we have enough information to piece the story together since that AC-130 attacked a well-known, prize-winning, Western humanitarian organization.

To my mind, however, the truly disconcerting stories are the ones that arrive at my desk with so little information that it’s almost impossible to say or write anything with certainty. And so I can’t really tell you what happened on August 12th, when “a suspected U.S. drone strike in Yemen… killed five suspected al-Qaida militants,” as the Associated Press reported in the standard language used to obscure attacks for which we, in the United States, have essentially no real information whatsoever.

Who were these five people, I wonder, killed suddenly as they drove along a road somewhere to the east of the city of Mukalla? Statistically speaking, there’s a reasonable likelihood that they were innocent people. As the Intercept recently reported, based on leaked secret documents, 90% of those killed during one recent period in the U.S. drone campaign in Afghanistan were not the sought-after targets. Without being there, however, I can’t tell you who those five Yemeni “militants” were, or what lives they led, or how many children they had, or even whether they were children themselves — and the odds are that neither can the Pentagon.

Nor can I tell you what happened when the U.S. launched its first drone strike in Syria on August 4th. I remember scouring different news sources over the following mornings for the most basic piece of information: how many people — if any — had been killed. That was, after all, what I was doing: waking up early and counting the death toll from America’s endless wars.

But in the days and weeks that followed, the Pentagon’s spokesman refused to offer specifics of any sort on this strike. It’s possible he didn’t have any. And so, to this day, even the number of deaths remains unknown.

Laura Gottesdiener is a freelance journalist and a news producer withDemocracy Now! The author of A Dream Foreclosed: Black America and the Fight for a Place to Call Home, her writing has appeared in Mother Jones , Al Jazeera , Guernica , Playboy , Rolling Stone , and frequently at TomDispatch.

(Republished from TomDispatch by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. The Swedish Academy reports a new medal for Obama-this one with crossed swords and oak leaf clusters. The best peace prize ever.

  2. This reminds me of the attack by Israel on the USS LIberty in 1967. There’s a great first-person account (and then some): Assault on the Liberty by James M. Ennes, Jr. The author was a naval officer on the bridge of the Liberty during the attack, which went on for about an hour. Afterwords all the Israelis could say was that it had been a terrible mistake. That giant holiday-size US flag just wasn’t clear enough to the surveillance aircraft that had overflown the ship at low altitude repeatedly before the attack. And the American government was keen to make the subject go away as quickly as possible, despite 34 killed, 171 wounded, and the ship nearly sunk.

    When the world wants to hear a message, it hears with amplification. When not, well that’s what ear plugs are for!

    Thank you for your testimony.

    Ken

  3. The key evidence of this crime is that every AC-130 mission is recorded. There is a video and audio record. Here is one from Afghanistan:

    If you watch the video, note the detailed crew comments. If ordered to destroy a hospital, there must of been a lot of crew chat about the legal and moral issues. They were committing a crime, and would discuss things before they pulled the trigger. Yes, I’m an optimist, but they were concerned about who will take the blame for this crime, and if Generals will throw them under the bus. And they might!

    The Generals know exactly what happened, which is why they will never tell. All decent reporters must stand up at press conferences and ask when these videotapes will be released. This is all that is needed, no investigation, no hearings. Just let us all see the tape! Ask Obama at a press conference! And watch him dance the question away. If he claims they are classified, ask if he watched them! And which part is classified, because none of the youtube videos were?

    And for those who have never been a military officer, if a building is placed off limits to attack, it is OFF LIMITS! No exceptions. It doesn’t matter if there were armed Taliban; there weren’t. It doesn’t even matter if they were firing from the hospital. If that occurred, and no one claimed it did, the aircraft would back off and request permission from a senior American General, who lacks the authority to waive international law anyway. A senior officer somewhere violated international law in this case and murdered dozens. Even then, the airmen are still guilty of war crimes. Who and why?

    But we know how this goes. Nothing to see here. Move on. The Washington press corps are just highly paid stenographers. Only white French lives matter, but not even white Russian lives. No one mentions the French air force had slaughtered dozens of innocent Syrians in the weeks before the Paris attack, and more afterwards.

    I suspect this blatant hospital attack happened when a mad General ordered something be done when one of his C-130s crashed nearby a couple days prior when it was hit during takeoff “by a rising object.” This was a SpecOps mission, and they are not bound by American or International laws, per the NCA aka the Emperor. This case demonstrates who rules the world, the Pentagon, and no one else.

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    , @Randal
  4. increasingly, one is led to the conclusion that the purpose of the War on Terror…is to create more “terrorists”. Who can then be used for all sorts of Zionist-globalist purposes; like invading and destroying the White nations

    • Replies: @annamaria
  5. Rehmat says:

    I’m not surprised that none of the western media has put some light on the MSF aka Doctors Without Borders. The so-called “international humanitarian organization” was founded by the pro-Israel Muslim hating former French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner in 1971 to serve as a French espionage network during Biafra vs Nigerian central government war, also known as Civil War.

    Currently, the MSF is helping Israeli agenda in Syria (here). MSF closed down its operation in Afghanistan in 2004 after four of its staff were killed. It returned after a few years.

    It’s interesting to note that MSF operates clinics in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq – but strangely not in Israel where every third Jewish kid lives in poverty and cannot afford necessary medical-care.

    The airstrike was part of US-NATO offence to re-occupy provincial city of Kunduz which was recaptured by Taliban on Monday after 14 years . The Kunduz province is home to main American ally against Taliban, the Northern Alliance, Uzbek ethnic group majority of whom are Shi’ites. The current Northern Alliance warlord and dug kingpin, Abdul Rashid Dostum, former army General under Soviet occupation, is vice-president of Afghan regime in Kabul.

    Afghans have resisted and defeated all western colonialist powers, such as, Greeks, British, Russians and now they’re about to kick Yankee butts too. Arab Muslim army never invaded Afghanistan. Uzbek and other Turkish tribes were introduced to Islam during their destruction of Muslim world as Mongol barbaric hordes which attacked as far as Moscow and Baghdad. Uz Beg Khan, ruler of present-day Uzbekistan converted to Islam in 1320.

    Watch history of Afghan people below.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/10/04/us-bombs-jewish-clinic-in-kunduz/

  6. “…although unsupported allegations about a Pakistani intelligence agent or armed Taliban fighters being inside the hospital — despite all evidence to the contrary.”

    Both sides having only hearsay evidence, you sure do characterize them differently.

    • Replies: @Randal
  7. Seck says:

    I’m appalled by the dead silence of the MSM on US bombing of Doctors without Borders. Totally speechless.

    And yet constantly we are daily fed by the news like other countries. And even more ordinary citizens are totally out of touch with the realities, and always under the impression that “The tragedy, the disaster happening in other countries is solely due to their mismanagement”. In fact, all those misery, disaster happening across the world are more or less connected to the Uncle Broke screwing up over decades.

    What are Americans doing? Next round of Presidential election? Same old same shit, they listen, and yet they can’t do anything. They will elect another round of figurehead hoping a new president face will erase everything they have fcked up across the middle east.

    Middle East disaster and Bush legacy? They’re all yesterday news once Obama got elected.
    Health Care, TPP, ME disaster, Nobel Peace Prize and Obama total failure? They will become yesterday news once another face pops up in the White House.

  8. Avery says:

    {I’m appalled by the dead silence of the MSM on US bombing of Doctors without Borders. }

    Don’t be appalled: MSM has become the Ministry of Propaganda and Disinformation for the warmongering Neocon filth that have infested the government of US. All MSM in US is owned by interconnected mega-corporations that benefit from promoting war all over the world.

    Not only MSM is covering up the actual bombing of a hospital by US AF, but State Dept is falsely accusing Russia of bombing a hospital in Syria, and MSM dutifully keep repeating the lie.

    [US State Dept Reps Caught in Obvious Lie]

    and here is MSM spreading the boldfaced lie:

    [U.S. believes Russian bombing in Syria hit hospital: State Department]

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-mideast-crisis-russia-hospital-idUSKCN0SN2TC20151029

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    , @Ozymandias
    , @Seck
  9. Some great points!
    I did a survey of 15 news sources (remember it is actually one or 2 corporate names!) and perhaps 3 mentioned that MSF gave GPS coordinates to US and affiliated ‘proxies” on the location of the Hospital but it seemed that no one paid any attention, or choose to ignore the information.

    Allegedly, a similar incident occured in Yemen when MSF (affiliate??) gace GPS to US/Saudi contacts but the Yemeni hospital was destroyed anyway!

    • Replies: @tbraton
  10. annamaria says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Here is an extraordinary announcement made for G-20, which however has not been (yet?) published for the general public:
    Putin: “I’ve shown our colleagues photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products. The motorcade of re-fuelling vehicles stretched for dozens of kilometers, so that from a height of 4,000 to 5,000 meters they stretch beyond the horizon,” Putin added….
    The intelligence analysis of “the 40 nations funding the ISIS terror machine were relayed to diplomats attending the G20 summit”– but were not released to the media, nor the general public.”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2015/11/17/putin-claims-40-countries-fund-isis-including-some-members-from-g20

  11. Randal says:
    @Ozymandias

    Both sides having only hearsay evidence, you sure do characterize them differently.

    Well the MSF side isn’t “hearsay” – it’s the conclusion of an extensive investigation including interviews of direct witnesses, and accounts of what those direct witnesses said.

    On the other hand, the US version is so contradictory and insultingly incomplete that any honest observer should be taken aback at the brazen confidence it suggests on the part of the US regime in its own ability to control both the mainstream media and all the various national and international bodes and procedures which, on the face of it, ought to be treating the event as a serious war crime.

  12. annamaria says:
    @Avery

    meanwhile, “Anti-ISIS activists in Syria claim a stadium, a museum, medical clinics and a political building have been hit after France launched airstrikes in retaliation for the Paris terror attack.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/humanitarian-retribution-against-the-islamic-state-illegal-french-airstrikes-on-syria-hit-stadium-museum-clinics/5489637

    “Humanitarian Retribution” against the Islamic State: Illegal French Airstrikes on Syria hit Stadium, Museum, Clinics.”

  13. @Carlton Meyer

    decent reporters haahahahahahahahahahaaa, you are fucking hilarious.

  14. Randal says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Excellent points.

    All decent reporters must stand up at press conferences and ask when these videotapes will be released. This is all that is needed, no investigation, no hearings. Just let us all see the tape!

    I think you and I both know the chances of that tape not being “mislaid” are as close to zero as makes no difference.

  15. @Avery

    “Don’t be appalled: MSM has become the Ministry of Propaganda and Disinformation for the warmongering Neocon filth that have infested the government of US.”

    Barack and Hillary, you mean?

    And you know, there’s no better place to perform an attack than from a rooftop where you believe your foe will not retaliate. Terrorists have become rather notorious for it, if you’ve been paying attention.

  16. tbraton says:
    @jack shindo

    Who is the very attractive reporter with the black hair? I assume she is a reporter for one of the Russian media firms. Russia Insider, perhaps? She has a very good command of English, btw.

    • Replies: @Avery
  17. “The view from inside the hospital is that this attack was conducted with a purpose to kill and destroy. But we don’t know why.”

    UTTERLY DELIBERATE as with the Yemeni and Ramallah hospital attacks. The message from the Indispensable Nation and its outsourcers in terrorism such as the Saudis and Israelis is that the likes of MSF can no longer treat anyone considered an enemy combatant and will now be mistakenly bombed at every opportunity. And it will work. MSF is finished in combat zones involving the USA. why would MSF take the risk now?

    This is why there will never be an independent investigation and why this crime will shortly be airbrushed from history…Move on – nothing to see here….Paris! Paris! Paris! …What hospital? You some kind of conspiracy theorist?….

    • Replies: @tbraton
  18. tbraton says:
    @Andrew Nichols

    ” The message from the Indispensable Nation and its outsourcers in terrorism such as the Saudis and Israelis is that the likes of MSF can no longer treat anyone considered an enemy combatant and will now be mistakenly bombed at every opportunity.”

    I look forward to the AC-130 attacks on the Israeli hospital or hospitals which treated the wounded Al Qaeda and/or ISIS fighters who were fighting in Syria.

  19. Avery says:
    @tbraton

    {Who is the very attractive reporter with the black hair? I assume she is a reporter for one of the Russian media firms. Russia Insider, perhaps? She has a very good command of English, btw.}

    The attractive young lady is RT reporter Gayane Chichakyan: ethnic Armenian; living/working in Russia.

    You think Gayane is attractive ?
    Check out her boss, Margarita Simonyan.

    https://www.rt.com/about-us/management/

    Two young Armenian women kicking ugly, wrinkled Neocon butt.
    Very proud of our Armenian young ladies.

    • Replies: @tbraton
  20. Seck says:
    @Avery

    This is what MSM should do, instead they feed us with Charlie Sheen positive HIV, Caitlyn Jenner Women of the year award, Justin Bieber and Gomez on and off situation, what else?

    Americans think we are The GREATEST country in the world. What else?

  21. denk says:

    this is of course the same god’s army that reduced fallujah to shards, after 4 blackwater killers were executed by iraqi resistance fighters.

    Ralph Peters, a retired US military officer, wrote in the New York Post,
    Even if Fallujah has to go the way of Carthage [complete annihilation], reduced to shards, the price will be worth it…the world needs to see [Iraqi] corpses.

    http://www.uruknet.info/?p=18007

    • Replies: @annamaria
  22. annamaria says:
    @denk

    Facts on the ground: “…just as bin Laden dreamed, Washington helped loose al-Qaeda and its successor outfits from the constraints of a more organized, controlled world. In these last 14 years of failed wars and conflicts of every sort, American military power, aided and abetted by the Saudis, the British, the French, and other countries on a case-by-case basis, essentially fractured the Greater Middle East. It helped create five failed states (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen), worlds in which terror groups could thrive and in the chaos of which they could attract ever more recruits.”

    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176071/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_the_national_security_state%27s_incestuous_relationship_with_the_islamic_state/

    • Replies: @denk
  23. tbraton says:
    @Avery

    Both are indeed very attractive, but I prefer Gayane. You are entitled to be proud of your Armenian beauties with brains. I was very impressed with Gayane’s ability as a reporter. If only American reporters were as persistent and direct in their questioning of American officials as she, we might have a more honest press here in America.

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t know who picked the picture at the top of the story, but it is a very misleading choice. Its important to understand that this was not a missile strike gone bad. This was not a mistaken choice of a target, followed by an “oops” after the missile was launched. The correct picture would be of an AC-130 Gunship. It doesn’t carry missiles. Instead, it features a bunch of guns, which I believe are side-mounted, so the plane can circle its target while unloading firepower from direct fire-aim and shoot- guns. The guns range from smaller, rapid fire cannon which fire shells in the 1 to 2 inch diameter range, but lots of them, up to 105 mm howitzers or ‘cannons’, which fire shells of 4 or 5 inch in diameter, and loaded with high explosives. Ie, guns the size of say a Destroyer Escort ship might mount. This was not a missile strike, but instead was people looking through gunsites, seeing the big ‘Hospital’ flag that MSF says was mounted on the hospital, and pulling the trigger. The only question is were they using the big red cross as an aiming point. The attack went on for an hour, with at least 5 passes by the aircraft, including using some of those smaller ‘cannon’ to gun down doctors who were running for their lives. With such a duration and number of passes, that means that someone in command of the operation kept making the evaluation that the target was not yet sufficiently destroyed and that the plane should attack again and again. It was not a ‘drone strike’. It was not a missile gone bad. It was a deliberate, hour-long, direct fire attack.

  25. denk says:
    @annamaria

    scratch the surface of any conflict in the world, chances are u’d find uncle sham’s slimy hand underneath.!

    this is how uncle sham the pro arsonist makes a living.
    set fire to a house, raise the fire alarm himself and voila, uncle sham the fire fighter was on the scene to put out the fire….by pouring oil on it !
    a classic example is it’s asia pivot provocation at china’s doorstep.
    crisis, alarm, solution. a package deal all in one.
    works like a charm since 1875 !

  26. denk says:

    +On October 22 2001, US warplanes attacked the remote Afghan farming village of Chowkar-Karez, 60 kilometers north of Kandahar, a Taliban stronghold. The Taliban says between 90 and 100 civilians were killed.

    The Pentagon acknowledges civilians were killed, but says the Taliban’s estimates are too high.

    Asked why a sortie had been flown against a remote farming village, the Pentagon told CNN that Chowkar-Karez was a fully legitimate target because it is a nest of Taliban and Al Qaeda sympathizers.

    According to the Toronto newspaper The Globe and Mail, a Pentagon official told CNN that, “The people there are dead because we wanted them dead.”

    No accident, no blunder. +

    http://www.swans.com/library/art7/gowans11.html

    ffw oct 2015
    the doctors in that kunduz hospital was dead cuz the usaf wanted them dead, why, they were taliban sympathizers.

    No accident, no blunder

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