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In November, Barack Obama, who had avoided commenting on the Democratic presidential primary, came out forcefully in opposition to the extreme positions taken by some leading progressive contenders, positions that could cause the Democrats to be beaten by Trump in the 2020 election. Obama was a very popular president among Democrats, and what he has to say carries considerable weight with them. While this may not be his intent, Obama’s position could open the field for Hillary Clinton to enter the fray and quite possibly become the Democrats’ nominee, given the lackluster performance of leading “moderate” Joe Biden, whose weaknesses have been brought out by the mainstream media, despite their animosity toward Trump.

Now many in the Democratic Party leadership, as well as wealthy Democratic donors, have been concerned for some time about the radical nature of some of the economic policies advocated by the leading progressive Democratic contenders. They fear that instead of the 2020 election revolving around Trump with his low approval ratings, and very likely his impeachment, which would seem to be a slam-dunk victory for Democrats, it would focus on those radical economic proposals. Many voters are skeptical about how free college for all, free health care for all, high-paying jobs in “green energy”—after greatly reducing the use of fossil fuels, free childcare for all, just to name some of the “free” things that have been promised, would really work. Instead of raising taxes on the middle class, most of these free things would purportedly be paid for by the super-wealthy, which would exclude mere millionaires such as Bernie Sanders (estimated wealth $2 million) and Elizabeth Warren (estimated wealth $12 million) who are the leading progressive contenders.

Obama began stressing his concern about the danger of radicalism in an October speech at the Obama Foundation Summit in Chicago. And he did this not by dealing with presidential candidates but with youth who think they can immediately change society. “This idea of purity and you’re never compromised, and you’re always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly,” Obama lectured. “The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws.”

It was at a gathering of Democratic donors in Washington, D.C., in November that Obama cautioned Democratic candidates not to go too far to the left since that would antagonize many voters who would otherwise support the Democratic candidate. “Even as we push the envelope and we are bold in our vision we also have to be rooted in reality,” Obama asserted. “The average American doesn’t think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it.” Although Obama did not specify particular Democratic candidates, his warning was widely interpreted as being directed at Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

Currently, the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination, according to national polls, is Joe Biden, who is considered a moderate. But Biden has a number of problems. He continues to make gaffes while speaking, and during his long career in the Senate took positions that are antithetical to the Democratic Party of today. Moreover, he lacks the charisma to attract large crowds to his events. Thus, it is questionable that he has the capability to attract large numbers of Democratic voters to the polls in November 2020.

According to Politico Magazine, Obama was recently discussing election tactics with an unnamed current candidate and “pointed out that during his own 2008 campaign, he had an intimate bond with the electorate” and he is quoted as adding, “And you know who really doesn’t have it? Joe Biden.”

Biden’s appeal already seems to be waning. For example, in November, a Marquette Law School poll, which is considered the gold-standard survey in swing state Wisconsin, which the Democrats need to win the 2020 election, shows Trump leading Biden 47 percent to 44 percent. In October, Trump had trailed Biden by 6 points (44 percent to 50 percent), and in August, Trump trailed Biden by 9 points (42 percent to 51 percent). In short, Biden is losing support. Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 by a slender margin of 0.77 percent, with 47.22 percent of the total votes over the 46.45 percent for Hillary Clinton.

Another problem Biden faces is the corrupt activities of his son Hunter and brother James, who have taken advantage of their connection with him. The mainstream media has so far largely kept this mostly under wraps, but this tactic won’t be successful as the election approaches. In fact, the progressive Democrats such as Bernie Sanders are likely to bring this up in a desperate effort to be nominated. And already these issues are being mentioned by the alternative media. For instance, there is an article in the non-partisan, anti-government Intercept titled, “Joe Biden’s Family Has Been Cashing in on His Career for Decades. Democrats Need to Acknowledge That,” and comparable articles in the conservative Washington Examiner such as, “Hunter Biden-linked company r eceived $130M in special federal loans while Joe Biden was vice president,” and “Hunter Biden has 99 problems, and Burisma is only one.”

David Axelrod, Democratic strategist and longtime aide to Barack Obama, said concerns about Biden’s electability clearly influenced multi-billionaire (estimated $53 billion) and former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg’s entrance into the contest for the Democratic nominee for president. “There’s no question that Bloomberg’s calculus was that Biden was occupying a space, and the fact that he’s getting in is a clear indication that he’s not convinced Biden has the wherewithal to carry that torch,” Axelrod said. “So yeah, I don’t think this is a positive development for Joe Biden.”

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Similarly, Democratic strategist Brad Bannon contended that “centrist Democrats and wealthy donors have lost confidence in Biden’s ability to stop Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders from winning the nomination.” Bannon added that with Bloomberg entering the Democratic presidential race, “Biden’s fundraising will get even shakier than it already is. There’s only room for one moderate in this race and Bloomberg threatens Biden’s status as the centrist standard-bearer.”

Bloomberg’s “stop and frisk” policy as mayor, which largely targeted blacks and Hispanics, should make it virtually impossible that he could be the Democratic nominee, despite his recent apology. Unless he has become senile in his late 70s, Bloomberg should well understand this since he did not make his billions by being stupid. It could be that he intends to serve as a stalking horse to draw Hillary Clinton into the contest by showing the weakness of Biden. Then like Superwoman, Hillary can enter the fray, appearing not to act for her own sake but to save the country from a likely second term for President Trump.

Similarly, Mark Penn, who was chief strategist for Clinton’s unsuccessful 2008 presidential campaign, said Bloomberg’s entrance could cause Clinton to consider to run and decide there’s “still a political logic there for her.”

As Biden’s support slips away, Clinton’s should rise. Clinton has been recently promoting a book she co-wrote with her daughter, Chelsea, in Britain. In an interview with BBC Radio 5 Live, Clinton said “many, many, many people” are pressuring her to jump into the 2020 presidential race and that she thinks about this “all the time.” Clinton told the host that she is under “enormous pressure” but said it is not in her plans, though she cryptically added that she would “never say never.”

Dick Morris, who was once a close confidant of the Clintons during Bill Clinton’s time as Arkansas governor and U.S. president recently said in a radio interview that Hillary Clinton likely wants to run for the presidency in 2020. “My feeling is that she wants to,” Morris said. “She feels entitled to do it. She feels compelled to do it. She feels that God put her on the Earth to do it. But she’s hesitant because she realizes the timing is bad.”

However, Morris contends that Clinton believes that she has to “wait until Biden drops out because he’s obviously next in line for it, and if he goes away, there’s an opening for her.” According to Morris’ scenario, Clinton would become the moderate candidate opposed to the leading progressive, Elizabeth Warren.

Morris has not been in touch with the Clintons for many years, and has become strongly critical of them, so his claim might be questionable. Nonetheless, his portrayal of Hillary’s current thinking seems quite reasonable.

A Fox News poll included Clinton along with the active Democratic candidates in a hypothetical election with Trump, and Hillary came out ahead of him by two percentage points. While some actual candidates did somewhat better than Hillary, she did quite well for someone who is not currently running for office.

Furthermore, a Harris Harvard poll in late October asked the question, “Suppose Hillary Clinton, Michael Bloomberg, and John Kerry decides [sic] to enter the race, who would you support as a candidate for President?” Joe Biden received the support of 19 percent of Democrat respondents while Clinton was a close second with 18 percent. Elizabeth Warren came in third at 13 percent, John Kerry was at 8 percent, and Bloomberg was at 6. Again, Clinton does quite well for someone who is not actually running for president.

One might think that if references to family members’ corruption damaged Biden, then Clinton would be subject to worse damage in that area, since she and her husband Bill were connected with far more corrupt activities—Whitewater, Travelgate, the Lewinsky affair, the Paula Jones affair, t the death of Vince Foster, the Clinton Foundation, her private server, and so on. But these issues are already known and are presumably already taken into account by the voters, whereas the Biden family’s corrupt activities are so far largely unknown.

It should be pointed out that Clinton has a number of positives as a presidential candidate. Although losing in the Electoral College in 2016, Clinton had garnered 3 million more votes more than Trump. The election was decided by a total of 80,000 votes in three states. It is highly unlikely that such a fluke could be duplicated.

Clinton’s staff had been overconfident assuming victory, which was based on their polling of various states, and as a result began to focus on competing in states well beyond those Clinton needed for victory.

Moreover, one key event outside the control of Clinton’s staff was FBI Director James Comey’s investigation of Clinton’s use of a personal email server during her tenure as secretary of state. Most crucial were his July 2016 public statement terminating the investigation, with a lengthy comment about what Clinton did wrong, and his October 28 reopening the inquiry into newly discovered emails and then closing it two days before the election, stating that the emails had not provided any new information. The October 28 letter, however, probably played a key role in the outcome of the election. As statistician Nate Silver maintains: “Hillary Clinton would probably be president if FBI Director James Comey had not sent a letter to Congress on Oct. 28. The letter, which said the FBI had ‘learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation into the private email server that Clinton used as secretary of state, upended the news cycle and soon halved Clinton’s lead in the polls, imperiling her position in the Electoral College.’”

[Silver’s organization FiveThirtyEight had projected a much higher chance (29 percent) of Donald Trump winning the presidency than most other pollsters]

Clinton has also helped to convince many Democrats and members of the mainstream media that the 2016 election was stolen from her by Russian agents If this were really true – which is very doubtful – then Hillary should be the Democrats’ candidate for 2020 since Russian intervention should not be as successful as it allegedly was in 2016.

In endorsing Hillary Clinton for president in 2016, Obama stated. “I don’t think that there’s ever been someone so qualified to hold this office.” He has yet to make such an endorsement for Biden and privately, as mentioned earlier, said he is a poor choice for a nominee. He might ultimately endorse Biden, but he certainly would not renege on what he said four years ago about Clinton if she became the Democrats’ standard-bearer.

Should Clinton opt to run, she would have no trouble raising money since she set a record in 2016 of $1.4 billion and wealthy donors want a moderate to be the Democratic nominee. It would seem likely that she would enter the contest if Biden has serious trouble. She would miss some state primaries since it would be too late to register in them but given the crowded field of candidates, there is a likelihood that there will be a brokered convention, that is, the convention will go past the first ballot. Since the superdelegates would be allowed to vote in all rounds after the first, they could determine the winner, which would probably mean the selection of a candidate who would be seen to have the greatest chance of winning, and that would likely be Hillary Clinton, if she has entered the fray.

I discussed the merits of Pete Buttigieg in a previous article in Unz Review,

and what I write here might seem to conflict with that. However, while Buttigieg is doing quite well in the polls, he still does not get much support from blacks and Latinos, which is essential to become the Democrats nominee for president. Buttigieg could, however, be nominated for vice president or, more likely, given an important cabinet position since the vice-presidential slot would probably be reserved for a black or Latino if a white person were picked as the presidential nominee, which currently seems likely.

But because of Buttigieg’s relatively hardline foreign policy, which largely meshes with that of Clinton’s, and his wide knowledge and language ability, Buttigieg would fit well in the all-important position of secretary of state in a Clinton administration. Moreover, Buttigieg, whose tenure as mayor of South Bend, Indiana, will end in January 2020, would almost certainly be willing to take such a position, which could serve as a jumping-off point for the presidency in the future.

 
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  1. djm says:

    Obama lectured……… People who do really good stuff have flaws.

    No shit Bazza

    So DJT v Hiltery………seriously ?

    & btw,

    Epstein didn’t kill himself

    • Replies: @sarz
  2. anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:

    Clinton doesn’t look very healthy these days. Last time around there were questions about that what with her collapsing and giving an unbelievable explanation. Her late entry would enrage the current contenders and it’s likely they’d savage her even if just out of spite. She had a huge machine working for her as well as tons of cash and still lost. Her glitter has faded so it would just be a rerun except even more pronounced. The Trump voters are still out there. A sickly, haggard woman well past retirement age is the best they can come up with as compared to sleaze-bag and Alzheimer sufferer Biden. Not a winner in the bunch which is why they’ve trying to remove Trump through devious means. Clinton, Biden, Sanders, Warren, Bloomberg, they’d all die in office.

    • Agree: houston 1992, Sulu
    • Replies: @SBaker
    , @Richard B
  3. What former POTUS has injected himself into the party politics of Presidential nominees, more than Obama. Most just move away from Washington and keep their mouths shut. Not Obama. Not only does he shoot his mouth off on a regular basis, he lives in Washington.
    By the way, it must have been a helluva advancement on his book to buy a couple of multi-million dollar properties…. or is there something else?

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @Realist
  4. Funny how poll after poll shows a substantial majority of Americans in favor of Medicare for all, lower prescription drug prices, more affordable childcare, higher taxes on the rich, limits on campaign spending, addressing the climate crisis, and other supposedly extremist positions. The powerful mischaracterize these policy ideas as “fringe,” or “radical,” or “socialist” because these initiatives would cost them, requiring either higher taxes on them or regulations that might cut into their corporate profits.

    Obama is no centrist. The “center” is not halfway between what most Americans want and what his corporate masters insist on. And I have not yet heard a single Democratic candidate demand worker ownership of the means of production – that is actual socialism. There is no organized left in the United States. The 40% of Americans who say they prefer socialism have no representation in electoral politics. Corporate journalistic outlets employ no actual leftists.

  5. Kirt says:

    I know someone who for the past couple of years has predicted that Michelle Obama will be the Demo nominee, possibly in a brokered convention. This theory is now being aired in public, by Glen Beck for example.

  6. Clinton is a moderate by today’s standards. 25 years ago when her husband was president, she was considered to be on the far left end of the party’s mainstream, if not in fact outside it. She will go as far left as she thinks she needs to in order to get the nomination of her party, but let’s see her try to tack back to the center to win the election.

  7. All real Americans want free sh•t. Your welcome.

  8. Biff says:

    Obama asserted. “The average American doesn’t think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it.”

    Obama would be wrong, as he usually is. The election of Trump is the definitive indicator that Americans want to trash the system in place, and completely reform it.
    The broken system that America wants to export via gun barrels is being rejected on a global scale, and Obama thinks having stock in that is still plausible – well, until it completely collapses on its own which is inevitable, and then(as politicians do) he’ll say “I was against it, before I was for it!”

    Democrats:
    Please run Hillary again to just to confirm the utter ignorance of you and your supporters.

  9. In our corporate media and this author’s view, a Democratic moderate is someone who promises to change nothing. This is why Obama is so popular in our corporate press, a total sell-out. Yet I agree with this article’s theme, from my blog:

    Nov 25, 2019 – Will Hillary Return

    Most people are confused by the idiotic impeachment hearings. There are a hundred things to impeach President Trump as there were for Obama. Why did they choose something that just seems improper; asking a foreign leader to reopen a corruption investigation? The Senate has already announced they will not vote to oust Trump, so what’s the point of this circus? Moreover, this effort shines light on the Biden crime family and should kill his chance at the Democratic nomination.

    The only sane explanation I’ve read is that the Clinton crime family is running this show. They hope to damage Trump and knock out front-runner Biden so there is no clear choice for the Democratic nomination. Then a “compromise” candidate is offered — Hillary Clinton!

    Also, from my blog, the one issue that will sink any presidential candidate:

    Nov 10, 2019 – Elizabeth Warren Just Blundered

    Like most Democrat presidential candidates, Warren is pleasing her wealthy donors by quietly promoting open borders. Stopping deportation is de facto open borders, something the majority of Americans understand. The primary reason a Democratic candidate will lose is because they refuse to say the USA hasn’t room for the three billion people who would like to immigrate here. They must often state that we need borders and immigration rules, and foreigners who ignore them will be returned home. Trump understands this, but then screws American workers by expanding the millions of legal work visas allowed to permit cheaper foreigners to replace Americans doing jobs that Americans want to do, and are doing well!

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  10. Biff says:
    @Observator

    Corporate journalistic outlets employ no actual leftists.

    Agree. Some would consider it a good thing, but the fact is if you are a progressive, you have about zero representation in the U.S. government. If you are a skilled laborer you have zero representation in the U.S. government. The democrats sold out years ago, and are only counting on delusion and obscuring facts/reality to hold on to those old voters.

    Prime territory if you are a third party progressive.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  11. “Funny how poll after poll shows a substantial majority of Americans in favor of Medicare for all, lower prescription drug prices, more affordable childcare, higher taxes on the rich, limits on campaign spending, addressing the climate crisis, and other supposedly extremist positions…”

    Lamentable, but true. I don’t think most people over the age of 40 realize how far left the Overton Window has moved for voters under the age 35-40. Regrettably, this is my age cohort, so I know them well. I guess we will see how it sorts in the coming years and decades. Single-payer healthcare and de facto open borders? I see no fundamental incompatibility there. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

    I remember Milton Friedman saying something to the effect that “you can have a generous welfare state, or you can have open borders. What you cannot have is both.” Sounds about right, but maybe I know for less about human nature than I imagine.

  12. a substantial majority of Americans in favor of Medicare for all, lower prescription drug prices, more affordable childcare, higher taxes on the rich, limits on campaign spending, addressing the climate crisis

    Medicare that someone else pays for, childcare afforded by the use of short, brown, underpaid women from abroad, higher taxes on those richer than the polled, “addressing” the climate crisis with something less than the Denver boot…

    When the cost to the person being surveyed is spelled out, support for these magical things goes down. Europe and Asia’s welfare states are paid for by the middle-classes, and they know it. Americans don’t.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  13. @Observator

    Spot on Observator.
    There is only a pseudo-left in the US. (The ID politics mob are not “left”, apart from being politically sterile & cretinous, they have always been complicit with the Establishment)
    The thought of Clinton emerging back into presidential politics is
    nauseating. Clinton back? Surely a sign of utter desperation by the Dem’s ? Maybe they “think” third time’s the charm ?
    An interesting competition: Biden v Clinton — whose the most corrupt?
    The Sanders v Warren competition for who can offer the most “free stuff” seems completely inane. I guess there are a few people out there who actually believe it, but it’s likely to alienate 10 times more. The shame of it is there are more sensible policies which could have a chance of actually getting through….

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  14. bomag says:
    @Observator

    Funny how poll after poll shows a substantial majority of Americans in favor of Medicare for all, lower prescription drug prices, more affordable childcare, higher taxes on the rich, limits on campaign spending, addressing the climate crisis, and other supposedly extremist positions.

    Well, when polled, people want free stuff.

    Not so much when they see what it costs.

    • Replies: @Biff
  15. Clinton needs to run to stay out of prison..

    • Replies: @Montefrío
    , @Winnetou1889
  16. I count 29 paragraphs, and not until the 26th is any candidate born after 1948 mentioned.

    President in whose term each candidate was born:

    Sanders– FDR
    Bloomberg– FDR
    Biden– FDR
    Warren– Truman (only six months after completing FDR’s final term)
    Buttigieg– Ronald Reagan

    Six presidents have been born in the last 100 years. Yet only three of those years are represented: 1924, 1946, and 1961.

    No white president has been born after the summer of 1946– when the country was 89.6% white.

    • Replies: @houston 1992
  17. Rahan says:

    The world totally needs another Trump/Hillary election. This would be delicious.
    And then Carlson against Hillary, twice.
    Hillary must be the eternal candidate of the Left. So it has been written in the prophecy.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  18. Onebornfree says: • Website

    “The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can’t get and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods.”

    H. L. Mencken

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @mcohen
    , @Hibernian
  19. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @Observator

    “Socialist: A man suffering from an overwhelming conviction to believe what is not true.”

    H. L. Mencken

    Regards, onebornfree

  20. Gall says:

    They’ve even managed to turn elections into sequels. Amazing!

    • Replies: @El Dato
  21. Kim says:
    @Observator

    The “socialism” of which you speak has never existed outside of family life – the only scale at which it works.

    So it doesn’t matter what people may “want” – every child may want a horsie for Christmas, but if dad can’t afford it, they won’t get it. And all of the democracy you like will never make it affordable.

    Socialism and Communism both – and all of their impossible promises and solutions – are just stalking horses for the power-hungry and in particular for the greediest and most power-hungry of all – the globalist banks who have been funding it for the last few hundred years.

  22. @Observator

    Obama’s record is damning. He continued Bush II’s bailout of the banksters, and saved them, as he put it, from the “pitchforks” and from the penitentiary where they belonged, and, instead, made them Sect. of Treasury and Fed Reserve chair etc. He rammed corporate pillage health care, so called (Obamacare) down America’s throat when 67% of us wanted single-payer, he continued Wall Streets endless wars, and the “Patriot Acts” demolition of civil rights, and the prison system that incarcerates more people than any other nation on the planet. This record is not “centrist” — it is filthy.

    Observator is absolutely right. The boughten media’s descriptions of Obama as “centrist” and the wishes of most Americans for our general welfare, rather than the welfare of banksters and gangsters and generals as “extreme,” “socialist,” etc. — just shows who owns these mouthpieces broadcasting progadanda for billionaires — the same predator class that owns Obama, and Hilary, and, when it comes down to it, Warren. Everybody I talk to plans to vote for Bernie. The polls are conducted by hired liars, is my conclusion.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke, annamaria
    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  23. Biff says:
    @bomag

    Well, when polled, people want free stuff.

    Not so much when they see what it costs.

    When they have to live under a predatory monopoly that literally pulls their houses out from under them, they are willing to take some unconventional chances; no matter what kind of ‘ism you claim it to be.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @bomag
  24. AndrewR says:

    As Donald Trump has shown, stupidity and wealth are not mutually exclusive. I do think that Bloomberg is stupid for apologizing for the stop-and-frisk policy. What he should have done is point out all the lives he saved, disproportionately among the population targeted by the policy. “So you’d rather there had been thousands more people, mostly young black and Puerto Rican men, who had been killed under my watch? This is to say nothing of non-fatal crimes my policy prevented.”

    Or at least he’s stupid for apologizing if he really does want to become president.

    If his only goal is to get Hillary to enter the race, as you suggest, then perhaps his tactic here is not so stupid. But I am absolutely unconvinced that his mayoral policies are a liability for him. Showing himself to be weak and most likely dishonest for not supporting one of his signature policies is a major liability.

    • Replies: @Patricus
  25. RVBlake says:

    I agree with Obama’s assessment of Hilary’s qualifications for the office. She has proven herself…Her hands are covered with blood.

  26. AndrewR says:
    @Kim

    So the globalist banks aren’t doing well in the dog-eat-dog crony capitalist society the US is, which you seem to like?

  27. Obama lectured. “The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws.”

    This is vintage Obama on his “lecture”-circuit, dispensing whatever banalities and cliches that flow unrestricted through his brain and into his constantly running mouth as if they were the pearls of advanced wisdom. Even worse, he’s taken seriously. E.g. Evan Thomas, Newsweek — “I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above above the world, he’s sort of God.”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/06/05/newsweek_editor_evan_thomas_obama_is_sort_of_god.html

  28. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Although losing in the Electoral College in 2016, Clinton had garnered 3 million more votes more than Trump.

    Google has said–more or less–that they aren’t going to let that fluke happen again. Google’s super-computers will be busy in November 2020, re-routing votes from Trump to the Wicked Witch of the East.

  29. @Kirt

    “[t]his theory is now being aired in public, by Glen Beck for example.”

    Glenn Beck, a hysterical guy who regularly confuses his hallucinations with reality.

    • Replies: @Greg Bacon
  30. @Kirt

    Our own Mike Whitney, here at Unz, has been saying that for a year and half now, so there might be something to it:

    Face it: The Democrats aren’t going to change. They got a good thing going right now and they’re not going to mess with it. They already have Wall Street, Silicone Valley, most of the weapons manufacturers, and all the major media in their hip pocket, so what do they have to worry about? Nothing. All they have to do is keep the pressure on Trump until the economy tanks, then trot out Michelle Obama at the eleventh hour and, presto, they’ll be back in the oval office once again. That’s the plan, at least, and that’s why Michelle has been cozying up to all the Hollywood bigshots while she delivers her Book Tour stump speech to sell-out crowds across the country.

    http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/what-did-the-democrats-learn-from-the-2016-election-nothing/
    http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/why-is-amazon-running-a-full-page-of-michelle-obama-for-president-t-shirts/

    My own personal take on Michelle (Michael?), however, is that she is no more electable than Hellary.

    • Replies: @athEIst
  31. mcohen says:
    @Onebornfree

    Onebornfree

    Unfortunately that rings true.I call it “sakkie sakkie” in the great south African tradition.each person has there hand in the persons pocket who stands in front of them in the queue.The poor guy at the front has no pocket to put his hand in.He gets nothing,and has nothing to give,but that’s good because the guy behind him gets nothing too,and so it goes.Sakkie sakkie.

    • Replies: @Onebornfree
  32. @Kim

    The “socialism” of which you speak has never existed outside of family life – the only scale at which it works.

    You’ve never heard of Scandinavia, obviously.

    Socialism and Communism both – and all of their impossible promises and solutions – are just stalking horses for the power-hungry and in particular for the greediest and most power-hungry of all – the globalist banks who have been funding it for the last few hundred years.

    And who underwrites capitalism if not the big banks? Whether you go with Jew-capitalism or Jew-Bolshevism, you’re equally screwed.

  33. Herald says:
    @Onebornfree

    But Socialism works in mysterious ways, and so the bankers must have suffered a great deal, before they believed it was right to accept their bailout checks.

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Replies: @Wally
  34. When Hillary loses again, the domestic rage from her side of the fence is going to burn down the Blue Cities, not that I care much. Their rage and hatreds will dwarf anything and everything we saw in after election day 2016. It’s going to be HIDEOUS.

    This, Hillary is willing to unleash when she loses again. She’s going to lose. No one goes back to the fat girlfriend that loses. Also, the Foundation and their net worth is failing, a run profits her in all sorts of ways. But the goods will spill from the IG, Trump’s base is already energized and ready to show at the polls, Blacks sat home on Hillary as did most of the overconfident feminists in the swings, Florida in particular. Puerto Ricans only draw 55-60% in the Orlando region for Hillary, the rest for Trump. It skews. Where Trump has advantage is small, but across the spectrum and across the country. I remain convinced her stances against men and all sorts of goodies and opportunity, “Especially For Womennnnnn!” alienate the husbands of Democrat women and they answered back, quietly, all over the country, especially Virginia, where Hillary only beat Trump by 60,000 votes. It was Democratic men who are sick of the rallying cry because they KNOW it comes at their expense. Obama beat Romney by 2 million votes in Virginia.

    Hillary isn’t capable of a primary run, she’s too sick, too drunk, too incontinent. Dr. Feelgood can only do so much. But a draft at the convention? She could fake that, it’s only a few months. But the basic facts don’t change. No one in the field, White, Gay, Woman, Jew, Biden, Liz, not a one of them is going to draw the support they still have to have across the board. With every candidate, blocs of voters don’t get what they want and will sit home.

    And then there’s Jill Stein.

    • Agree: Sulu
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  35. @Random bot

    You’re, it’s a contraction of you are. You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @Random bot
  36. A Fox News poll included Clinton along with the active Democratic candidates in a hypothetical election with Trump, and Hillary came out ahead of him by two percentage points. While some actual candidates did somewhat better than Hillary, she did quite well for someone who is not currently running for office.

    Yeah, but in which states? We all know the Hellary can carry NY and CA with 75% of the vote; but last time around, she really under-performed in the swing-states that matter.

    The other issue these pollster have yet to grapple with (as far as I can see) is: what happens when all those ‘Never-Trumper’ Republicans who voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 come home to vote for Trump? Or do these pollsters assume that the Libertarians will get an eye-popping 4% of the popular vote again in 2020? Pretty unlikely, I think. After all, that was an all-time record for the Libertarians. (The Greens, meanwhile, only got their customary 1% of the vote–despite all their ‘Dem exit’ rhetoric, and despite Hellary’s lame attempts at blaming them for her defeat.)

    It should be pointed out that Clinton has a number of positives as a presidential candidate. Although losing in the Electoral College in 2016, Clinton had garnered 3 million more votes more than Trump. The election was decided by a total of 80,000 votes in three states. It is highly unlikely that such a fluke could be duplicated.

    Only in MSM-land can a candidate who got beaten twice–once by a black guy and once by a man who had never even been elected dog-catcher!–be considered presidential timber. If I were Trump, I would relish the idea of a WWE-style ‘grudge match’. Trump should rock that election!

    If this were really true – which is very doubtful – then Hillary should be the Democrats’ candidate for 2020 since Russian intervention should not be as successful as it allegedly was in 2016.

    Not even with a Russian agent in the White House? 😀

  37. gotmituns says:
    @Kim

    Bingo, Anyone who goes against the MONEY POWER will be killed. That’s what happened to Hitler. He took Germany off the gold standard and he died because of it – along with quite a few million other people.

    • Replies: @ivegotrythm
  38. @Onebornfree

    How about a mixed economy?

    “Essential infrastructure is vital to the security and wellbeing of the nation and is thus too important to be left to the whims of profit” Friedrich List.

    • Replies: @Onebornfree
    , @renfro
  39. Dumbo says:

    Trump should be reelected. This is all by design. Whenever there is a strong Democrat candidate, there are weak Republican challengers, and vice-versa. The rule is 8 years to each. It is all done to perpetuate the illusion that there are really two parties with different ideologies, when it’s just two sides of one Uni-party with cosmetic differences but the same unwavering patriotism – for Israel, of course.

  40. bergots [AKA "hairyeehairyee"] says:

    Why count the votes? Wasserman-Shlutz is a dualie?

  41. SBaker says:

    What combination could better inform Americans, illegal aliens, domestic terrorist cells, and other likeminded but upstanding anti-Americans than the Clinton/Obama crime families. We have the Jafrican, spawned by a world-banging jewess and some unknown African father, and an old white Chicago criminal who spawned her own daughter from a progressive sex-offender from Arkansas.
    Their opponent: a billionaire who left his business to work for free. He was an imperfect man, but courageous, and honorable enough to withstand his name being dragged through the mud for the sake of Freedom and change for the benefit of American citizens.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  42. Realist says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Blacks just can’t control themselves.

  43. Having voted for Bill Clinton, I can not vote for another family member, having sworn off Dynasty support. No matter how possibly appealing.Two Bush, now the prospect of two Clinton…..
    The rise of the Independent voter ranks is another hint to the failings of both Party.As is the number of registered or potential voters that sat out the 2016 Election.
    Consider the number of voters that had voted for Obama that voted for Trump, and for some Trump voters the choice would have been for Bernie.
    When the outcome is determined by less than 100,000 votes, such dynamic is telling.
    Some pollsters have surmised Trump vote margin would have been greater, narrowing or surpassing Clinton’s had more voters turned out at the polls.

  44. Realist says:
    @Random bot

    All real Americans want free sh•t. Your welcome.

    Not me, I don’t want any shit.

  45. Realist says:
    @Biff

    The election of Trump is the definitive indicator that Americans want to trash the system in place, and completely reform it.

    The election of Trump was the definitive indicator that Americans want to trash the system in place, and completely reform it.

    FIFY

    Trump has failed miserably in fulfilling his campaign promises…Trump is the ‘system in place’.

    • Replies: @J. Alfred Powell
  46. @Ilya G Poimandres

    Argentina’s Cristina Fernández de Kirchner understood that and is now the country’s vice president, assuming she is not in fact the de facto president. HRC and CFK have very similar profiles and pathology. As with so many things, Argentina is once again a possible dress rehearsal for what the financial cabal will try out on the USA.

  47. SBaker says:
    @anonymous

    Yeah, Trump comes from outside the DC lawyer empire, works for free, and gets dragged through the Jewish media for attempting to thwart the stranglehold of leftists tyrants.

  48. @Kim

    The “socialism” of which you speak has never existed outside of family life – the only scale at which it works.

    You are almost right, but actually you are wrong. In fact it existed most of the time of human history and it exists today, even if not perfectly, in most of Europe. It also existed in part for about 40 years around WWII and after that in the US when taxes for rich people were very high according to Piketty.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  49. Buttigieg will be the Democrap presidential candidate, and he would have a real chance of winning if he ran with an intelligent black vice-presidential candidate. He would mop up Drumpf in the debates by presenting himself as a moderate opposing a radical white. The mainstream media would agree with him about this. …The poop is about to hit the fan…

  50. The average Democrat has moved left. Conservative Inc is trying to move the right to the left.. The Wall Street donors are soon in for a rude awakening of how little they will matter. George Soros, with help from the surviving Koch bro, now rules the U.S.. Guess we’re living in Karl Popper’s dream world. I wonder could this of happen if Trump wasn’t elected? More to the point was the 2016 election intentionally thrown?

  51. On occasion it is amusing to read the thoughts of an unabashed Clinton boot licker and all around Democratic hack such as this guy.

    Obama the centrist. Yeah ok.

  52. The Dems are done.
    Killary and SuperJew Bloomberg. Really?
    Peak stupidity.
    Just like the author of this crap.

  53. Hibernian says:
    @Kirt

    That would be a bridge too far. Hilary was a Senator and Sec. of State between being First Lady and her almost successful Presidential run.

  54. Hibernian says:
    @Onebornfree

    If it only were true that nine of ten promises were broken. Promises to the general public are almost all broken, but those to special interests (usually made in secret) are almost all kept.

  55. “While this may not be his intent, Obama’s position could open the field for Hillary Clinton”

    Naaah….ya think?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  56. @Kirt

    That’s the ,kind of thing that makes me suspect that Beck never really stopped using drugs.

  57. @Ilya G Poimandres

    Running for president cloaks Hillary with the “immunity” afforded by the claim that she is being targeted as an opposition opponent. No wonder there are rumors of Hillary running again: it’s part of her criminal defense strategy.

    Maybe it’s part of Corrupt Uncle Joe’s criminal defense strategy as well: Hunter Biden’s financial records are being sought in the paternity suit pending in Arkansas against Hunter by his stripper BabyMama, with the claim that he is concealing unreported assets on which to set child support. Nuffin’ like a little Squirt to take the big dogs down.

  58. Hibernian says:
    @UncommonGround

    Sweden dialed back the socialism in their society. JFK and Cal Coolidge both realized that wartime tax rates should not extend through many years of peacetime.

  59. @gotmituns

    I thought he died because because he thought Germany would be better off without Jews?

  60. @animalogic

    The Biden family is saintly compared to the Clintons.

    If Hunter starts attacking his new baby’s mom as a nut and a slut–then we know the Bidens are ready for prime time!

  61. As though Trump has not already appeased the *only* two constituencies that matter in an Amerikastani presidential “election”: the military industrial complex and the zionist lobby. As though Trump isn’t already guaranteed re election. As though the Daymockratic Party isn’t just picking a guaranteed loser to run against Trump, with anyone in danger of winning ruthlessly sidelined. As though the impeachment circus isn’t just a circus.

  62. Wally says:
    @Biff

    said:
    “When they have to live under a predatory monopoly that literally pulls their houses out from under them …”

    If you can’t make the payments you shouldn’t fraudulently claim that you can.

  63. Wally says:
    @Herald

    That’s not Socialism, comrade.

  64. Hillary considering a run for President again?

    Has Xmas come early?

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  65. @George F. Held

    I’m unsure that America’s ready for an openly gay president.

  66. Durruti says:

    Have you blocked my comment? Why has it disappeared? I am using a new different computor, coupled with one of 2 emails I regularly use. Much time is lost.

  67. bomag says:
    @Biff

    pulls their houses out from under them

    And this is partly to fund the system of “free stuff” already in place.

  68. JimDandy says:

    Nate Silver? The guy who doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on ruthlessly mocking any moron who thought Trump had any chance of winning the nomination?

    He’s a wannabe-influencer disguised as a seer.

    • Replies: @Patricus
  69. JimDandy says:
    @Observator

    I saw a poll that showed that independent voters–in some ways, the only voters that matter-ranked health care as the third biggest issue. Number 1 was the economy, and 2 was the debt. Medicare for all is seen by many as a negative when it comes to those top 2.

    • Replies: @renfro
  70. JimDandy says:

    And Obama could run on the ticket as her V.P., in the kind of shared-power arrangement Ford demanded from Reagan and didn’t get.

  71. Durruti says:

    Currently, the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination, according to national polls, is Joe Biden, who is considered a moderate. But Biden has a number of problems. He continues to make gaffes while speaking, and during his long career in the Senate took positions that are antithetical to the Democratic Party of today. Moreover, he lacks the charisma to attract large crowds to his events. Thus, it is questionable that he has the capability to attract large numbers of Democratic voters to the polls in November 2020.

    Sniegoski is pumping, (not misdirecting), but Directing political support for the foreign Zionist controlled America’s phony controlled ‘electoral process. AIPAC anyone? He advances, as central to this election, Obomber’s handicapping views on just who should be the candidate, and who should not!

    The conclusion of this Mainstream Media article, displays for all who wish to see, that this article, written by other Traitors, has already appeared in the New York Times.

    But because of Buttigieg’s relatively hardline foreign policy, which largely meshes with that of Clinton’s, and his wide knowledge and language ability, Buttigieg would fit well in the all-important position of secretary of state in a Clinton administration. Moreover, Buttigieg, whose tenure as mayor of South Bend, Indiana, will end in January 2020, would almost certainly be willing to take such a position, which could serve as a jumping-off point for the presidency in the future.

    Vote for this guy, vote for Ms. Pocahontis; vote for the ‘socialist‘ who held no job until he was 40, (& some argue he has not ever been honestly employed), and votes for Military Appropriations, and all the Hundreds of Billion$ sent to the Master. Eugene Debs was Americas’ last Socialist (he was imprisoned for 4 years by democrap Wilson). The Cackler, Obomber again, Ms. Nuland? Verb needed?

    Does this article signal the beginning of the end of Unz review as an alternate media? Have you been threatened Unz? Why is this article published here, while other authors are not?

    Conclusion:

    For those who wish to participate in this phony electoral circus, at least support someone who has served her country, and has some intelligence (no matter whosheis, or who she works for). Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard has been hammered by the Zionist Mainstream Media. [I did not notice mention of her in the ‘article’] She is currently treated as a non-Person/non-Candidate. Vote for her. Protect her if you can. Have fun pretending Liberty.

    I have news for you!

    Feedom is not Free! It must be Paid For!

    Durruti

    • Replies: @refl
  72. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Glenn Beck, a hysterical guy who regularly confuses his hallucinations with reality.

    Right, like the time–when still on FOX–that Glenn dare to expose the fraudulent FED on his show, then got booted from FOX shortly after that expose.

  73. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @mcohen

    “The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.”

    Frederic Bastiat

    Regards,onebornfree

  74. TKK says:

    When certain cities hold free dental care clinics, people drive for days and camp out in the cold darkness to wait in line all through the night for a chance at dental care.

    Then, usually in a school gymnasium, hundreds of dentists, most of them non white and foreign born thanks to AA, perform factory line drillings, extracts and cavity fills.

    It is reminiscent of a triage unit in a conflict zone or a 3rd Tier country.

    Here’s the heartbreak: They are 99% white.

    Why? Because Medicaid pays for dental, and if a single black woman pops out even one baby- she’s set.

    A match needs to be lit and the whole system burned to the ground. Trump was born rich and cannot understand the white working poor. He just mimics what he hears on Hannity and Rush.

    HildeBeast and Obama only care about ego, wealth and advancing their hideous spawn.

    Warren has the look of a deranged library aide who would become a tyrant and Sanders supports The Squad and backs reparations for blacks.

    American white working class have NO REPRESENTATION and are doomed. Is Stryker and other expats a sell out for leaving?

    No. It’s called self preservation.

  75. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @NoseytheDuke

    “Everything government touches turns to crap” Ringo Starr

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevre

    Regards,onebornfree

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  76. As far as I am concerned, cackling hyena is as repulsive as she ever was. She is likely the most corrupt politician today in the US. Next to her, even Trump is a shoo-in.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  77. Agent76 says:

    October 3, 2012 We Ought to Take ‘Em Out”

    See statements of Hillary Clinton and former Secretary of State James Baker III on video

    Jun 29, 2016 Neoconservatives Endorse Hillary Clinton for President Because They Know She’s One of Them

    Neoconservatives like Iraq warmonger Robert Kagan aren’t endorsing Hillary Clinton for president merely because they want rid of Donald Trump, but because she’s one of them, writes Trevor Timm at The Guardian.

    http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/neoconservatives_endorse_hillary_clinton_for_president_because_they_know_sh/

    November 27, 2019 Clinton Foundation: ‘Vehicle to Transform Once Broke Family Into Mega-Multi-Millionaires’ – Analyst

    The Clinton Foundation has been in the news again after the entity’s tax records showed a new multi-million fall in donations.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52629.htm

  78. You’re interpreting Obama’s comment too narrowly. “Tear down the system and remake it” does not mean programmatic tinkering by Dem party good cops. Obama is trying to muzzle the popular revulsion from the “deep state” (i.e. CIA.)

    Obama and Hillary are first and foremost CIA nomenklatura. Read Andrew Krieg on Obama. Hillary cut her teeth concealing documents for CIA’s Watergate purge (read Russ Baker) and she ran the CIA covert-crime slush fund called the Clinton Global Initiative.

    Obama installed a compromised, ethics-free whitewash artist to investigate CIA crimes. You know how Durham got his job, right? He proved himself dirty enough to take a big moist dump on Brady, and CIA moles in DoJ are keeping his prosecutorial misconduct under wraps so they can ruin him if he notices too much CIA torture or busts too many CIA focal points rat-fucking Trump.

    https://www.justice-integrity.org/408-questions-raised-of-prosecutor-who-cleared-bush-officials-in-purge-probe

    You got to look at the bigger picture.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  79. Development of humanity:
    Tribal society……Rule by elders.
    Early states ……..Rule of nobility ….Dictatorship…..Rule by arms
    Democracy….First stage …….Rule by majority of people
    Democracy,,,,Second stage (final)…….Rule by Jews……Rule by money.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………..
    What is important to notice here is that process of changing Democracy from first stage to second stage is inevitable.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Durruti
  80. Random bot [AKA "Random botnot"] says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Thank you!

    Since they’res no fee, I guess I got my free sh•t.

    • Replies: @Random bot
    , @Bill Jones
  81. @Observator

    Obama was the choice of Neocons and he perfectly carried out their policies. His egregious bail out of the wall street gangsters who fleeced The American working and middle class and his cynical obamacare are perfect example of his subservience to those who continue to gut this country .

  82. Random bot [AKA "Random botnot"] says:
    @Random bot

    I stop now. You’re right.

  83. @George F. Held

    Black and Hispanic males will never vote for a homosexual. Buttplug might appeal to White progressives, Becky types, but that’s about it.

    • Replies: @TKK
    , @WellRedMan
  84. Clinton has also helped to convince many Democrats and members of the mainstream media that the 2016 election was stolen from her by Russian agents If this were really true – which is very doubtful – then Hillary should be the Democrats’ candidate for 2020 since Russian intervention should not be as successful as it allegedly was in 2016.

    So silly. Seymour Hersch has it verified that Seth Rich sold the emails to Wikileaks.

  85. Haha says:

    So Obama, the ex-king, is now emerging as a king-maker! Those pearls of wisdom that he lets loose are like the barks and nudges that sheepdogs use to round up straying sheep. The question is: which way are the sheep intended to go? By whom and for what?

    Let us look at the DNC lineup. An array of cretinous wokes on the one side, escapees from the national geriatric ward on the other, and in-between some wildcards thrown in for good measure to throw dust in our eyes. Now, whom to pick to run for POTUS? Sneak in suggestions that good ole Hillary might be persuaded to run, her coughing fits and fainting spells notwithstanding, and, when the full horror of the disastrous lineup has sunk in, the former first lady might be made to mount the stage, to thunderous applause from all: the woke crowd, the SJW’s, all progressives, and of course the ever-wise media. As Obama and the progressives drone on about the wisdom of this choice, their beloved media go delirious with joy, perhaps some of them even taking to jumping up and down and performing cartwheels during their talk shows.

    A few sharp eyes and discerning minds might observe the ominous, shadowy creatures winking and nodding and smirking at each other as the puppet show draws to a close. The inconvenience of staying in the shadows and the bother of manipulating puppet strings can now be dispensed with more or less. No matter who is put in to fight, and no matter who wins, their control will continue to deepen.

  86. @Longfisher

    What, specifically does it mean, to be “ready” for the first openly gay president? Free pre-anal intercourse enemas for everybody?

    Seriously – what do you mean? Homosexuals have achieved deity status in the US. What’s left for them but to be legally allowed to butt fuck every first born son once they reach puberty?

    • Replies: @David
    , @TKK
    , @Bill Jones
  87. Anon[363] • Disclaimer says:

    The Clintons are in their 70s arent they?

    Doesnt she drink quite a bit? With all the strains of the HPV virus they have between them, Bill and Hill could be coming up on Bidenesque decline soon anyway.

    Id like to see Killary announce and then see some sort of rapid-onset dementia let her make a real fool of herself (someone messin’ with her teleprompter could help here) while she is still cogizant enough to to realize it and be embarrassed by it, maybe while debating Trump. Seeing her in a point and stutter/coughing/freudian slip/spittle/sneeze fit while Trump is poking fun at her in front of an embarrased audience while she later trips and falls at the podium would be really fitting.

    Trump could say, ” dont throw water on her, she might melt” with a straight face.

  88. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy

    Involution , decadent evolution , people obbey to :

    God
    Popes
    Kings
    Aristocrats
    Bourgeois
    Workers
    Scum ( Ochlocracy )

    Chaos

  89. Durruti says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    What is important to notice here is that process of changing Democracy from first stage to second stage is inevitable.

    1. You do not mention the Republic (the separation-sharing) of power.

    2. Add that to your analysis, and explain – inevitable. Can you document the inevitable?

    I have taught that – All Republics are different, and contain within their Governmental structure, varying degrees of Democracy.

    I prefer them to Dictatorship.

    Enjoy your comments.

    Durruti

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  90. Skeptikal says:

    “However, Morris contends that Clinton believes that she has to “wait until Biden drops out because he’s obviously next in line for it, and if he goes away, there’s an opening for her.” ”

    I find this comment interesting in light of something I read years ago about the difference between the way the Reps and Dems choose a presidential candidate.

    The main contention was that the Rep party is more centrally run than the Dem, and there is some control over who is going to get the green light from the RNC and other power sources. So the primary fight is less damaging, because they have already pretty much settled on the their man already.

    Unlike the Dems, who don’t have the same centralized control of the party and over the choice of the pres. candidate. Instead, the Dems bruise themselves in the primaries while all of their dirty lalundry and areas of disagreement are put on show for the voters to contemplate.

    So, this comment coming from Hillary suggests at least an attitiude change whereby the party is trying to settle on a candidate before the primary s— show starts. And she is positioning herself as that “chosen from within” candidate.

  91. @J. Alfred Powell

    ” Everybody I talk to plans to vote for Bernie”

    Okay so you openly admit that you move in circles of clueless lunatics.

    Myself having visited several east-block countries long before the wall came down, I can vividly recall the dead eyes of the hopeless citizenry and the morgue-like atmosphere of the grey dismal cities, and crazies such as Bernie are just chomping at the bit so as to install such a morbid system within the US and then the world. You are out of your fricking mind.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

  92. @SBaker

    Chapeau! Absolutely brilliant.

    AJM

  93. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @TKK

    Sanders supports The Squad and backs reparations for blacks.

    I have no problem with slave reps, as long as the group who was the biggest player in that business coughs up their fair share.
    But as soon as that got any traction, we’d see the MSM quickly deep-six any talk of those reps.

    • Replies: @TKK
  94. TKK says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    The moment Trump says or tweets Buttplug- he wins.

  95. This is cankles’ last chance. She can’t afford to wait for 2024, when more palatable satanic agents like gavin newsom and oprah will run.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  96. @Onebornfree

    If a society had the predominate attitude like you profess, there is no way any sort of “detente” could occur betwwen the “haves” and the “have nots”.

    Wait a minute! We are almost there!
    You must be really happy!

  97. Patricus says:
    @AndrewR

    Does anyone outside of New York, and maybe NJ & MA, even know who Bloomberg is? He isn’t charismatic or tall. Another obscure businessman. Hate to tell New Yorkers “your greatest days are 100 years in the past”.

    • Replies: @renfro
  98. El Dato says:
    @Rahan

    I don’t know whether robotics and AI will advance quickly enough to give us Forever Hillary.

    • Replies: @Random bot
  99. El Dato says:
    @Gall

    Same as with wars (on terror or any other stuff …. russians, drugs, health), really.

    • Agree: Gall
  100. @Onebornfree

    Under capitalism man exploits; under socialism the reverse is true.

    • Replies: @Chet Roman
  101. Agent76 says:

    Nov 29, 2019 Moderate Democrats Face OUTRAGE From Constituents Over Impeachment, Democrats Are QUITTING The Party

    A moderate democrat came home for thanksgiving to outrage and anger over her support for Impeachment.

  102. El Dato says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Is there such a thing as Berniewave yet?

  103. David says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    It’s notable that Aristotle in Politics gives two separate examples of ancient governments being overthrown because a principle leader made demeaning reference to having “enjoyed” a political opponent. Maybe gays don’t make for stable leadership.

    Not to disagree with your point.

  104. mcohen says:

    Rally my friends and i will lead the way.

  105. TKK says:
    @Greg Bacon

    I have no problem with slave reps, as long as the group who was the biggest player in that business coughs up their fair share.

    They are dust. Long dead. You can’t play the boring Jew card on the slave trade circa 1700-1865.

    Current day- the Arabs, India and North Korea have ACTUAL slaves. Give them your pension and sell your treasures to liberate them.

    That you would support more money for the group of Americans that contribute the least, take the most and are a cultural cancer-

    shows there are legitimate dangerous imbeciles that will tank this country. Well done!

    Perhaps you should look for work in academia.

    • Replies: @Greg Bacon
  106. TKK says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    That’s hilarious because its true.

    They are untouchable.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  107. Ahoy says:

    The author must give us proof beyond reasonable doubt that Mr. O and Ms. C are walking among us in their pure original form.

  108. @Durruti

    Maybe I should have put Rule of money before Rule of Jews. But Rule of money progressed already so far, Like the sanctions and Rothschild network, that it is interchangeable.

  109. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @TKK

    And perhaps you should read a book, instead of listening to MSNBC. Try this one:

    “Jewish Involvement In Black Slave Trade To The Americas” – By Rabbi Marc Lee Raphael

    “Jews also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations (1648) included an imposta (Jewish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian Jew purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated.

    “This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century Jews participated in the ‘triangular trade’ that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750’s, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760’s, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760’s and early 1770’s dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent.”

    http://webdesign97.tripod.com/hebrewisraelafricanrootsinformationsite/id72.html

    It being Saturday here in the USA, shouldn’t you be taking the day off or is it OK to malign Goyim to keep one of many lies still alive?

    • Agree: Hegar
  110. @Chet Roman

    Should be:

    Under capitalism man exploits man; under socialism the reverse is true.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  111. pollie101 says:

    Hillary is just as corrupt in 2019 as she was in 2016. She carries a huge amount of ugly baggage and is a war monger and Empire Builder. Would giving her another crack at the POTUS job change any of this? I think I could vote for almost any Dem POTUS candidate except her.

  112. renfro says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    How about a mixed economy?

    I am afraid you are casting your pearl before swine.
    Who have neither the economic or historical knowledge to understand what has been proven time and time again in nations, which is:

    ”Pure capitalism fails for the same reason pure socialism fails’.

    Both systems in their pure forms become cannibalistic and eat the nation itself and its people.
    A balance is required to ensure both economic production and social stability.

    I have no patience for the retards who support one system over the other. The End.

  113. @Reg Cæsar

    Except those costs are de minimus when compared to the costs of Empire and policing the world. I would make that trade every day of the week. Except I wouldn’t waste money on preventing climate change and I wouldn’t have open borders. But it is time for Medicare for All, at least as a floor and if you are not satisfied with the floor you can purchase more coverage if able. It is time for a much better public educational system, it is time for better roads and bridges, it is time for a livable wage, and it is time to reduce inequality which is what happens with corporations.

    There is one primary reason to incorporate, and that is to avoid personal responsibility. Somehow we as a society have decided that it is ok to avoid personal responsibility as the route to great wealth, but it is not ok for anyone else to avoid personal responsibility.

    We need to do something with respect to avoiding personal responsibility using the corporate vehicle. No one would be as rich as our billionaires if they were unable to incorporate. And keep in mind a corporation is a creature of the state. It takes a state charter to get one. Corporations, in that sense, are socialistic. It is the state that confers these huge benefits on the shareholders and management of corporations.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Reg Cæsar
  114. Durruti says:
    @renfro

    A balance is required to ensure both economic production and social stability.

    Excellent comment by you & NoseytheDuke-“mixed economy“. In other words, a balanced mix of capitalism & socialism.

    Include a Republic, with its separation of powers, which allow the People a voice, and you have Something!

  115. JamesinNM says:

    Both will be in prison for treason awaiting permanent punishment before the election.

  116. JamesinNM says:
    @renfro

    All evil will suffer the second death and burn for eternity.

  117. renfro says:
    @JimDandy

    Medicare for all is seen by many as a negative when it comes to those top 2.

    Medicare for all wouldn’t necessarily have to be a negative….depends on how its structured.
    Currently the over 65 and some disabled qualify for Medicare.
    The poor and some disabled are insured thru Medicaid .

    For profit Insurance companies try to minimize ‘risk’/payouts …i.e. avoid insuring groups/individuals that are most likely to have more sickness and medical cost.
    Pooling risks of all age groups together allows the higher costs of the less healthy to be offset by the relatively lower costs of the healthy, ….either in a plan overall or within a premium rating category. In general, the larger the risk pool, the more predictable and stable the premiums can be.

    “IF’ all people and those on private plans transfered to a ‘for all’ and continued to pay the same premiuns or slightly below their ‘for profit’ insurers premiumns you could have a plan that insured everyone and forced down exobrant medical cost.

    I dont have the figures in front of me but the uninsured contribute to the high cost of medical care thru emergency room care and hospital admittence . Most of their bills go unpaid….hospitals to make up for what they lose on the unisured ‘add on that cost’ to all their services to the insured patients…..thats where your famous $5 for a asprin comes from.
    Every state has an entity that determines what hospitals charge the insured for the uninsured loses…in my state its Blue Cross.

    So people should realize that besides whether its ‘private or for all’ …the cost of care for the unisured adds an enoromous amount to the cost of medical care and treament…..and therefore to cost of insurance premiumns whether private or non profit because it also cost the insurer more.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Patricus
    , @haha
  118. anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    was that a joke?

    “Evan Thomas takes Obama’s banalities seriously.”

    How would Thomas know banal from the lint in his pocket.

  119. renfro says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Add on to that we need much heavier penalties for white collar crimes.
    There are many on WS that should be in prison for betting against the very mortgage backed securities they were selling…..the biggest heist in US history….wiped out a third of all investors funds on WS.
    Should be treated the same as armed robbery imo.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  120. renfro says:
    @Patricus

    It should be obvious that Bloomberg entered the race to draw off some votes from the Dems.
    Who is he most afraid of winning the Dem race?…..I think it would be Sanders for obvious reasons….and probably Warren due to her plan to regulate WS , the banks and monopolies.
    I see him as a spoiler with a agenda, not someone who thinks he can win.
    There is a mountain size load of past Bloomberg shit statements the progressives among the dems can bring down on his head.
    Then again Bloomberg is die hard supporter of Israel so maybe he thinks he can dampen the growing anti Israelism within the left.

    • Replies: @Patricus
  121. Sniegoski is on to something. It’s hard to believe Bloomberg could be anything other than a stalking horse–unless the billionaire class is fatally self-infatuated. His opening TV commercial is exceptionally vapid, so one can assume he has a not-too-carefully hidden motive.

  122. @Authenticjazzman

    Your ad hominem slurring approach to discussion undermines your claims to “Mensa” “qualifications” or the value thereof, take your pick.

  123. @Realist

    These two assertions are not mutually exclusive. Both are true. Trump voters got faked out. That’s the purpose of Wall Street’s “Two-Party System”. Informed people understood this before 1900. Unthinking people still don’t. This is America’s tragedy.

  124. Random bot [AKA "Random botnot"] says:
    @El Dato

    Prior 2016 photos indicated a concealed back brace.

  125. ricpic says:

    God wants Hillary to be president? I didn’t know that.

  126. annamaria says:
    @Left means CIA

    The bigger picture: https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-government-has-been-run-as-a-criminal-enterprise-financial-fraud-criminal-cash-flows/5623955
    Catherine Austin Fitts:

    The U.S. economy is deeply dependent on criminal cash flows. We’re the global leader in money laundering. If we stopped doing that, the economy would be in for a major, major change. . . . The U.S. Government has been run as a criminal enterprise… The swamp that exists in Washington is from sea to shining sea. It’s not just in Washington. It’s in every county and every state house in the country. If we are going to change and clean ourselves of enormous financial dependencies on criminal activities, we are talking about a very big change, and it’s not just in Washington.

  127. @renfro

    But the reason we don’t have these penalties is due to the fact that money corrupts our government.

    Mayer Amschel Rothschild was quoted as saying (attributed to him at any rate), “Let me issue the currency and I care not who makes its laws.” The Rothschild international banking model is now the model for all global corporations. If you have enough money, you can corrupt any kind of government, whether it is capitalist, socialist, democratic, dictatorial, a monarchy — every single kind. And under this model, you really don’t care about who is running the country or making its laws. You are above the law.

    And of course the first thing that happens is that the rich ensure that laws are written to protect the rich.

    In the early years of the USA, a corporate charter was only granted for twenty years and then it expired. It could only be renewed by a vote of the legislature that had granted the charter and the legislature had to be convinced that the corporation had done enough public good to warrant renewal. Eventually as the legislatures became corrupted with corporate money, that requirement was dropped. And now a corporate charter is issued in perpetuity.

    So a good idea might be to go back to limiting the life of a corporate charter. However, in today’s world corporations would just incorporate in the most friendly countries and avoid that problem. They would essentially do the same thing they have done with labor — find cheap labor elsewhere.

  128. Patricus says:
    @JimDandy

    How does anyone give credence to polling firms after the 2016 elections? Polling is a useless discipline. Their “scientific” results are the crudest estimations informed by political bias.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  129. @TKK

    “Warren has the look of a deranged library aide who would become a tyrant”

    That’s the best line I’ve read all day.

  130. @AnonFromTN

    One big benefit of having Hillary run again is the likelihood that she would stroke out and die on camera, long before election day.

  131. pogohere says: • Website
    @Observator

    Clinton neocons populate the US State Dept. Pointing out the policies these people pursue would make Trump’s 2020 campaign against Hillary a walk in the park.

    See Bill Taylor’s Private War with Donald Trump Ukraine and Russia

  132. @Sick of Orcs

    I think that ’16 was her last chance. She’s a sure bet to croak before she can fake another campaign.

  133. What are you saying? The homo, transgender are the backbone of our country, tax everything platform ain’t working for Dem? Obama now has to hide his swish and swagger forth opening the saloon’s swinging doors for old pants suit Hillary to bully to the front. Think you got it wrong partner. He’s clearing the path for his S O Michael, the ex fullback to carry the ball across the goal line.

  134. Abbybwood says:

    Barack Obama is so damn touchy about his rotten “MassPlan” ACA health care insurance corporate boondoggle, that he falsely states that “progressives” want to destroy it.

    Actually they don’t just approve of the CURRENT decades old plan of Medicare for those Americans who are 65 and older, they merely want to EXTEND the Medicare plan that is already up and running to ALL Americans.

    One of their big problems though with the all important “independent” voters is that they ALL think it is hunky-dory to give tax-payer funded health care to ILLEGAL ALIENS.

    This is where Trump will beat ANY Democrat (including Her Royal Highness HRC).

    Also, remember that big Epstein tell-all interview that was shelved 3 years ago by ABC, the DNC Stephanopolous network?! Well, it seems the BBC will be running their interview with Virginia Roberts next week where she will “tell all” about her statutory rapes by Epstein, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz and “others”. She may not have had a personal interaction with Hillary’s “husband” Bill, but she apparently is an eyewitness to Bill Clinton flying on The Lolita Express, Bill Clinton playing on Epstein’s “Orgy Island” and more.

    I do NOT think Queen Hillary will run again. After this interview airing next week about Bill and Jeffrey Epstein’s illegal sexual escapades plus her health issues, I doubt either she or her corrupt “team” will have the stomach for another defeat, 2020 being far worse than 2016.

  135. Matra says:

    The mainstream media has so far largely kept this mostly under wraps, but this tactic won’t be successful as the election approaches. In fact, the progressive Democrats such as Bernie Sanders are likely to bring this up in a desperate effort to be nominated.

    The way Bernie brought up Hillary’s emails? IOW no, he won’t bring up Hunter Biden’s corruption.

  136. @renfro

    I did have that idea ages ago.
    Government should allow free market and free enterprise.
    When corporation reach certain level (too big) Government should nationalize it.
    Chinese have something similar. In China some large corporation fall under Military ownership.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Patricus
  137. Trump with his low approval ratings, and very likely his impeachment

    Come again?

  138. By the way, if you haven’t figured it out yet: Organized CRIME runs the show.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  139. @Authenticjazzman

    Heard this myth in the US. Never saw it in the USSR, at least as long as I remember, from ~1965 till 1991.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  140. @the grand wazoo

    Of course, Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, Soros, Adelson, and many others of their ilk are criminals. They are organized. But the classical mob is not guilty of what’s going on.

  141. @Agent76

    All of my relatives who got together this Thanksgiving are registered Democrats who always vote the Democratic ticket–and I keep my heretical political views to myself so they are comfortable talking to me.

    I kept waiting for them to mention impeachment.

    Six people, six hours, mentioned once very briefly in passing as just something that was going on (sorta like the weather).

    They all hate Trump, but what was most interesting was that they complained about “Trump voters” being ignorant rather than complaining about Trump himself.

    As for the Democrats, one relative said he was for Sanders, and the others did not volunteer a specific candidate’s name–not once–not with a positive or negative comment.

    My read–_they_ think Trump will be re-elected, and just view it as bad stuff that happens like cold and snowy winters.

  142. @Twodees Partain

    Fingers crossed. I’d love to see her croak. Same goes for Soros (who looks like he died a couple of weeks ago, but no such luck) and quite a few others. It appears that nobody lesser than God himself can drain that swamp.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  143. @Agent76

    It is not just the moderate Democrats that are pissed off. The far left Democrats are probably even more pissed off. They may not have the Republican party to vote for, but they can stay home. Some of us voted Green last time for Stein in protest. Some even voted for Trump. Probably will just not vote this time around since protest votes for Stein and Trump were totally ignored.

  144. @Reg Cæsar

    that is an interesting way to look at matters
    for VP,: Quayle 1951 and Pence 1961

  145. Agent76 says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    May 18, 2016 What really happened in the Nevada Democratic Convention and the same exact thing happened at the RNC as well.

    Instead, the media is trying to spin it against Bernie, about the violence and them being upset. If you were present at this, wouldn’t you be upset? I’m not saying threats are warranted, but at what point do the American People say enough is enough?

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  146. @renfro

    Sensible healthcare policies should be a no-brainer, a strong nation requires a healthy population and preventative healthcare is so much more cost-effective than the sickness industry could ever be.

    I’d like to see the VA hospital system expanded to accept non-veteran patients while simultaneously serving as teaching hospitals. Very bright students who otherwise couldn’t afford to attend med school could receive an education and then serve the public hospital system for 10 years at a reduced pay as compensation, a win-win situation. Students could also perform non-medical duties such as working as cleaners, porters, cooks etc in their spare time to further offset costs. The system would be large enough to warrant the manufacture of most of the medications used resulting in further savings.

    Sadly, too many people would call that communism, lol.

    • Agree: annamaria, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Alden
  147. Agent76 says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    This is how the game is played on everybody.

    Who’s Afraid of an Open Debate? The Truth About the Commission on Presidential Debates

    The Commission on Presidential Debates is a private corporation headed by the former chairmen of the Republican and Democratic parties.

    The 2012 Debates – Memorandum of Understanding Between the Obama and Romney Campaigns

    https://publicintelligence.net/obama-romney-debate-mou/

  148. @Observator

    Obama is no centrist. The “center” is not halfway between what most Americans want and what his corporate masters insist on. And I have not yet heard a single Democratic candidate demand worker ownership of the means of production – that is actual socialism.

    I realize that the terms socialism and communism were originally interchangeable but actual Western socialist party platforms call for regulated capitalism, not majority public ownership. So let’s stick to modern terms.

    Though I get your point the situation is more complicated than a resurgent left vs the establishment liberal media.

    Some of us would like to expand health care access but do not trust that politicians like Warren will follow through with their grand plan. It’s a Democrat play to offering everything and then just blame Republicans when in office.

    I’d rather see a centrist that can actually get something passed.

    Now is it possible for a Democrat candidate to get a grand plan through congress? Yes the right politician could do it but given the backgrounds of the current candidates that is unlikely.

    So I take offense to this idea that those of us that want a centrist candidate are out of touch. No we are in touch and don’t believe electing people with unrealistic plans that go nowhere helps the country.

    The fact that both Bernie and Warren are offering “free college” before figuring out health care says it all. It’s like saying I’m not sure how to afford this car but I’m going to buy two of them.

    At this point they need to find new candidates or let Trump win and focus on the next election.

  149. @AnonFromTN

    If Hillary, Soros and the Ginzbuzzard all croaked on the same day, we could have a national holiday.

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  150. @davidgmillsatty

    Your problem is that you still believe that the votes are counted and the one with the most votes wins. I don’t know where you got an idea like that. Maybe you picked it up in law school.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  151. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    There’s certainly no need to re-invent the wheel as mixed economies have proven themselves in the past. A strong nation benefits from a healthy population. A strong economy needs cheap and as clean as is possible energy plus cost-effective transportation. Clean and inexpensive water is a no-brainer as is efficient waste disposal. Defence procurement is a security matter and the list for what should be under government control goes on…

    Of course the government itself should be under the control of the people but sadly, that ship has sailed.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  152. @Agent76

    Nevada was just a microcosm of what happened in the Democratic blogosphere. And then half of Sanders supporters thought he sold out and many will not support him this time around.

    For many of his 2016 supporters, his ship sailed. And in the mean time his supporters have seen him be a politician for the last four years and know far more about him when he was a relatively unknown to most Democrats in 2016.

  153. @Justvisiting

    Many long term Democrats don’t even recognize the party any more. If you are white, or especially a white male, you are seen as just another deplorable. The leaders are doing everything possible to make a white party and a non-white party be the duopoly of the future.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  154. It’s the weird use of the word “moderate” that blows my mind.

  155. @Johnny Smoggins

    The first time Pete and his husband appear together on a national stage holding hands or committing some other PDA, his candidacy will sink like a rock. The U.S. would be the laughing stock of the world.

  156. @Twodees Partain

    “She’s[Hillary] a sure bet to croak before she can fake another campaign.”

    From your lips to Kek’s 🐸 tympanic membranes.

  157. Richard B says:
    @anonymous

    It doesn’t matter who wins. The USA is finished.

    It’ll continue in name for, who knows how long?

    And, honestly, at this point, what does it matter?

    And, why should anyone care?

    You have hysteria and mock outrage for hate hoaxes and dead silence for children being thrown from third story railings at shopping malls and from their baby baskets in supermarket parking lots (apparently the latest fad among the “youths”).

    Our universities are daycare centers for insane children and have been for a long time.

    The deposits of those universities go on to work for companies and governments, both of which are totally corrupt, but absolutely in control.

    So, if they want America destroyed, it’ll be destroyed.

    It’s an insane and evil ambition, of course, but they’re nearly there.

    And who’s going to stop them? Who wants to? Who can? And would it be worth it?

    I’m not saying these qusetions can’t be answered. Though I don’t think they can, I could be wrong.

    But what exactly would the victor over them have when the war’s over?

    Does anyone have an answer beyond wishful thinking and a lot of empty talk?

  158. refl says:
    @Durruti

    Does this article signal the beginning of the end of Unz review as an alternate media? Have you been threatened Unz? Why is this article published here, while other authors are not?

    I do not think so. For this, the readership is much to far down the rabbit hole.
    But there is something, that for a non American is incomprehensible: When Russiagate started, it seemed completely unbelievable that anyone could fall for it. At the time, I frequently read consortiumnews, and I found that a significant share of the commenters took it serious. It took me quite some time to get round to understand that this idiocy had invaded the common consciousness so deeply that even alternative media had to go along. But, well, that was before we got Greta – this here is one of the last sane places to go except taking a walk in the forest.

    • Replies: @Durruti
    , @Skeptikal
  159. @davidgmillsatty

    Except those costs are de minimus when compared to the costs of Empire and policing the world. I would make that trade every day of the week.

    The choice wasn’t either-or, it was both-and. Our militaristic and our welfarist presidents were one and the same: FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ.

    Who’s next? AOC?

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  160. @Richard B

    But what exactly would the victor over them have when the war’s over?

    I wouldn’t be so pessimistic.

    Liberalism is doomed to collapse.

    The liberals completely dominate the universities and this is the best group of candidates they can come up with. Their think tanks and media outlets have billions of dollars and yet this is what they are working with:

    Sanders was kicked out of a commune for being lazy. Warren made a career out of pretending to be an Indian. Harris started her career by getting under the desk of a scummy mayor. Biden is well…Biden.

    Liberalism is a joke and can only go downhill from here. After decades of controlling the schools this is the best they have.

    That doesn’t mean I would expect or cheer a conservative takeover. Liberalism is basically stuck in gene denial and this is what throws them off the rails. What we need is a worker’s party that drops race entirely and just focuses on health care and jobs.

    Too many people are kicking at the foundation of liberalism for it to stand. I would only be worried if liberals could ban the internet, which they can’t.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Richard B
  161. @davidgmillsatty

    Many long term Democrats don’t even recognize the party any more. If you are white, or especially a white male, you are seen as just another deplorable. The leaders are doing everything possible to make a white party and a non-white party be the duopoly of the future.

    We’d probably have a better economy if that were the case. Republican leaders only care about their savings accounts anyways.

    I’d rather have a racial duopoly over the current duopoly of stupidity where:
    Democrats stubbornly believe White men are conspiring against everyone, even where Black Democrats completely dominate.

    Republicans stubbornly believe the “free market” is everything and oh well if poor Whites don’t have health care. Last I checked socialist Sweden has higher living standards than “free market” Haiti. Funny that.

    So yea bring on the racial duopoly if it means ending the status quo. But I’d rather just see the Republicans switch to being a middle class party and drop the money worshiping crap.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  162. @Random bot

    “All real Americans want free sh•t. Your welcome.”

    The Rich want free money (tax breaks, more loopholes).
    The rest want universal health care, a good economy and equitable border control (the three top issues; I think the Establishment refers to these things as “sparkly ponies”.)

  163. @NoseytheDuke

    No problem. All we need just follow the Jewish first principle. Just count the money!!!!

  164. Cato says:

    Clinton has also helped to convince many Democrats and members of the mainstream media that the 2016 election was stolen from her by Russian agents

    I can attest to that. I was poised to vote for Hillary, but one day I received an email suggesting that I find a Russian bride. And, damn it all, I clicked the link! — that was all it took, within seconds I was transformed into a Trump supporter.

  165. Abbybwood says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    And then Trump said, “Newsweek?? I didn’t think that still existed!”

    Ha.

  166. Obama is CIA.

    Oh. I forgot. You like CIA. Losers.

  167. Patricus says:
    @renfro

    I can provide two kinds of medical service.

    Free: we are open every Wednesday from 9:00 to 5:00. First come first served. The waiting area is not quite luxurious. There are some rodents and there is no budget for cleaning. Doors close at 5:00 PM no matter how many are waiting. Go to the emergency room. We don’t take Medicaid or Medicare because the paper work is too burdensome.

    Paid: we can be available on your schedule. We will come to your residence if necessary for a modest additional fee. There is an expresso machine in the waiting area, and it is a spotless and comfortable place. The friendly staff assure your wait is never more than 15 minutes. If the wait exceeds that time your visit is free. Call the doctor any time on his cell phone. No annoying paper work. We will take any kind of insurance so long as my fee is $350 for each patient visit.

  168. Patricus says:
    @renfro

    It is amusing his strategy seems to depend on massive spending on Super Tuesday. At this time he plans to win over southern stayes by promising to seize their guns. No more salt or sugary drinks Bubba. No more pickup trucks or fried foods.

    His worst defect is that he is physically short. Butigieg will tower over Bloomberg. Perhaps we should not be proud to judge people by their height. Butigieg’s first husband is probably taller than Mighty Mike.

  169. Patricus says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    “Government should allow free markets and free enterprise”? Why in hell should we ask government’s permission to buy or sell things. Do we need their permission to breathe? Judging by your last name you must be from one of those backward and degraded Eastern European totalitarian shitholes. Get off your knees for once. If government officials want to direct your life, kill them all.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  170. It will not surprise if Hillary runs with Michelle Obama as VP.

    They will likely win together as a team. Michelle would garner all the people who doubt Hillary. Not that I want this, but it seems most logical at this point.

    Mr Obama is such a smooth talker as always, but he’s still a War Criminal just like George Bush and Bill Clinton. But so many people are taken in by Obama’s “charms”. Proves that Americans, on average, do not pay attention to things such as illegal invasions, Drone programs, bailing out banksters, or wrecking what was left of healthcare system for those who do not qualify for the freebie plans.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  171. athEIst says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Silicone Valley

    Silicon a semiconducting metalloid used to make transistors and ICs

    silicone a plastic used to make tits

  172. sarz says:
    @djm

    Epstein didn’t kill himself

    True. But it wasn’t Clinton, despite what Trump tweeted that very day. It was Trump.

    The prison is under Trump. Barr, reputedly a drug-running CIA assassin earlier in his life, is Trump’s man.

    Five months before the Epstein murder, when the protection given to child-rape-accused Epstein-associate Trump by Acosta’s plea deal (for which Trump rewarded Acosta by naming him to his cabinet) started coming undone, Trump by executive order order undid Obama’s executive order requiring the president to name those he has had killed. Why?

    Trump, a crypto-Jew himself, has been under attack by the main faction of the Jewish establishment, the financiers under Rothschild, for his move towards what Saker calls Zionist nationalism. They have been using the Democrats and the intelligence agencies to bring down this renegade interloper. Epstein was their man, not that of the Israeli government. His arrest seems to have been designed to bring Trump down in a plea-bargain, say for the rape, with Epstein, of Katie Johnson, then thirteen.

    If anyone in power wanted to impeach Trump, here is a crime he can be tried and hanged for. But it’s too explosive now. It could bring down the whole Jewish establishment. As could 9/11, which is why we keep hearing about al Qaeda, though the facts have long been clear. By the way, Trump was involved in 9/11 as well, but as an accessory after the fact, with his interview on Deutsche Welle on 13 September 2001.

  173. sarz says:

    Why no mention of Tulsi? She can go places in her attack on Trump and in her manifesto that no one else would dare.

    She has already called for the government to release its files on 9/11 — something Trump promised, in a campaign speech in February 2016, to do.

    She has called for an audit of the Fed. And so did Bernie Sanders. In fact Bernie was the Senate sponsor of the Ron Paul bill to audit the Fed, that passed in the House with an overwhelming majority. So what did Bernie do? He gutted his own bill with crucial amendments. (Go to YouTube to hear Ron Paul’s disgusted response.) When push comes to shove, Bernie shoves for the Jews.

    Trump also called for an audit of the Fed. How’s that going?

    All the candidates other than Tulsi, even renegade Trump, are creatures of the Jewish establishment.

  174. Alden says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    VA hospitals are teaching hospitals. The Drs are interns and residents learning their skills. 4 years undergrad, 4 years medical school, then internship and residency at a teaching hospital. VA is the biggest teaching hospital system in America.

    And, it’s a sink of affirmative action morons. The Drs are mostly Indian immigrants including residents and the rest of the staff affirmative action blacks.

  175. @MikeatMikedotMike

    “What’s left for them but to be legally allowed to butt fuck every first born son once they reach puberty?”

    You misunderestimate their ambition

    “What’s left for them but to be legally allowed to butt fuck every first born son before they reach puberty?”

    TFTFY.

  176. @TKK

    “They are untouchable.”

    As it should be.

    I, for one, wouldn’t touch one with yours.

  177. joannf says:

    Sure, moderate Dems might by now have come to the conclusion that a rather intelligent career psychopath is better than some juvenile psychotic or a psychopath with progressive dementia. And 2016 was three years away, meaning that Mellicans have by now entirely forgotten what happened then. In any case I’m convinced that Michelle Obama would be better – she would sweep the country away in abject ecstasy and turn it into the premiere black nation of the planet !

  178. Thank you, Annamaria, for 128. CIA used HHS to launder money for Iran/Contra gunrunning, and Fitts had a ringside seat. With the ‘focal point’ structure that Prouty explained, CIA can turn any government function on and off like a light switch: They shut down customs, immigration, and all levels of law enforcement after their 1963 putsch. They shut down NORAD, DoD, and FAA before they knocked the WTC down. They shut down the Mass state police after the Boston Marathon Gladio show. CIA is the regime. Nothing’s going to change until we raze the NHB.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  179. Durruti says:
    @refl

    It took me quite some time to get round to understand that this idiocy had invaded the common consciousness so deeply that even alternative media had to go along.

    Thanks for your response. Alternate Media must not “go along”, or it is no longer Alternate, but just an appendage of the Zionist Mainstream Media.

    Americans, and those of many other Nations, have been brainwashed to believe that the Russians are the enemy. This “idiocy” is a remnant of the propaganda of the so-called ‘Cold War’ from 1917, to 1990.

    I also enjoy a walk in the forest.

  180. @freedom-cat

    Re: Hill-dog running with Michelle O as VP candidate.

    And if elected, the next question becomes: “Which of them has the other whacked first?” For once in her life of endless corruption it would be Hillary forced to watch her large backside.

    • Agree: freedom-cat
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  181. Pandour says: • Website

    Get organized and take your country back.The time for philosophical argument is long past.As Shakespeare wrote-Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war and open the purple testament.As those in the loop know,both the Republicans and Democrats are the same crap with different flies,both should stand before the people as traitors.How one deals with traitors of the worst kind is well known.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @SBaker
  182. @Patricus

    To butcher a phrase of Galbraith’s used in relation to economics:

    “The only function of polling is to make astrology look respectable.”

  183. @Patricus

    Some body has to set the rules. Maybe Martians?

  184. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    When Harris first announced the black internet sites just exploded with “ she was a prosecutor any black who votes for her is a traitor to the race”

    With prison reform, more and more blacks think the civil rights cause is now the don’t arrest and charge black criminals cause.

    She’s the daughter of 2 immigrants. I believe every president but Kennedy is an old stock American and he was 4th generation.

  185. @AnonFromTN

    “Never saw it in the USSR” . Do you mean : UdSSR?

    I said I had spent time in several “East-block” (eastern european) countries, not in the UdSSR. These were the countries which were occupied and tyrannized by the Russians, therefore the dismal and morbid atmosphere, and the hopeless downtrodden mood of the citizenry, get it?

    AJM

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Skeptikal
  186. @Stephen Paul Foster

    ” He’s sort of a God”

    The insane Germans worship the ground he walks on, and then MO/HC/BC and Greta.

    AJM

  187. Hillary running against Trump in 2020 would represent an attempt of US elites to return to the status quo that the ‘deplorables’ started the process of ending in 2016. Clinton/Bush/Obama all represent the financial capitalist neoliberal economics (FCNE) the US trajectory has been on since the end of Cold War v1.

    The FCNE status quo is disintegrating causing the US deep state entities (CIA and other intel agencies, Wall Street, Atlantic Council and social media companies, NATO, MIC) to exhibit in US foreign policy outright reckless desperation. We are in the turn of a great ending and a coalescing for a new era. These major turns in history are fraught with peril.

  188. @Twodees Partain

    Actually I don’t believe that at all. I haven’t since 2004.

  189. @Reg Cæsar

    I think you omitted quite a few Republican ones since this country has been at war with somebody else for all but a handful of years since its inception.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @SBaker
  190. Skeptikal says:
    @Justvisiting

    At my thanksgiving table, everyone was a trump plus Putin hater.
    They didn’t have any clue as to the facts of energy supply (i.e,. solar/wind vs. natural gas) in particular as relates to Ukraine. But they thought they did.

    They were pretty enthusiastic about AOC, Warren, and Sanders, and actually thought one of them might be the next president. They thought the impeachment hearings actually could change the political landscape. Even though I have told them repeatedly that the impeachment hearings were going to come round to bite the Dems. As now seems to have occurred.

    They were not happy to be informed that the chances were very high that Trump would win again.

    I didn’t even try to raise anyone’s consciousness re Putin/Russia.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  191. haha says:
    @renfro

    There should be ZERO role for the Govt in health care. Ideally, there should be a ZERO health insurance sector. A person’s health is a private matter, to be negotiated between him and his doctors. Health will go up and costs will come down when all sorts of sticky fingers and big noses are removed from essentially a private affair and problem.

    What about the needy, those who don’t have the money to pay for the costs? Regrettably, there is no ideal answer. Introduce socialistic solutions and you have the whole system squeaking whines and moans, unions and work-to-rules, and suffering every conceivable kind of inefficiency. Give it to the for-profit insurance sector and we all end up becoming cash cows to be squeezed. Philanthropy and Christian charities used to work, and work well, in the past. Why have we abandoned those fine models? The slack after charity has done its bit (or the shortfall in money that a poor and ill person still faces) can be financed through a system of negative income tax.

    Lastly, but not least, illness is to some extent self-inflicted. Smoke a pack for twenty years, put away a six pack everyday, and snort, inject or swallow all sorts of fashionable poisons and illness will beset you. And why on earth should society or healthy people pay for the outcomes of anal sex? Personal responsibility tends to erode whenever big brother or big bizz intrude, to the detriment of our good health.

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  192. @Authenticjazzman

    The myth is still a myth, nothing more. I was in Czechoslovakia in Prague in 1988, in DDR in Berlin in 1989, in Bulgaria in several cities on the Black sea coast in 1990, and nowhere saw anything like that. Don’t know about 1960s or 1970s, though.

    FYI, USSR stands for “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics”. I have no idea what UdSSR can possibly stand for.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  193. @haha

    What about the needy, those who don’t have the money to pay for the costs? Regrettably, there is no ideal answer.

    There is a simple answer which is tax the wealthy to expand coverage.

    Republicans need to get over their free market worship and tax the wealthy.

    It’s a couple billionaire globalists that fund half the left wing causes. The idea that the Republicans should be on the side of the investor class is outdated and irrational.

    Tax the wealthy and serve the middle class. That is the way Republicans can win.

    Lastly, but not least, illness is to some extent self-inflicted.

    That is Randian rationalizing that ignores how much suffering exists under the current system.

    Most diseases that workers under 50 get are not self-inflicted. Hard working middle class Whites get shafted by the system while the indolent on Medicaid get guaranteed coverage. It’s a stupid system that needs widespread reforms. Republicans are absolutely wrong to assume that letting the current system stand is the best path. They will eventually hand Democrats a super majority with that attitude.

    • Replies: @Haha
  194. Skeptikal says:
    @refl

    “It took me quite some time to get round to understand that this idiocy had invaded the common consciousness so deeply that even alternative media had to go along. ”

    I do not understand what you are saying re Consortium News.
    Robert Parry of CN was one of the only journalists/analysts who consistently pointed out how fake and mendacious the whole Russiagate thing was. Not just “pointed out” but kept the absurdity of the charges and the hollowness of the Mueller investigation before CN readers. Ray McGovern also writes for CN, and he also provided the info necessary to maintain sanity and perspective regarding the spurious info that formed the feedstock for the Russiagate frenzy.

    So, I would say that CN readers were absolutely not “going along” with the nonsense. I could cite other “alternative media” outlets that were similarly intellectually armed against the Russiagate hysteria.

    So, I really do not know what you refer to and I don’t think you know what you are talking about!

    • Replies: @refl
  195. Skeptikal says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    It is “bloc,” not “block.”

  196. Skeptikal says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Obama is so pompous and self-involved.

    It is Obama who thinks he is God.

  197. @davidgmillsatty

    O

    I think you omitted quite a few Republican ones since this country has been at war with somebody else for all but a handful of years since its inception.

    But they weren’t welfarists. And the Spanish-American War, Philippine incursions, and even the recent Middle Eastern “Islam is a peaceful religion… no, really, it is…” sorties were small potatoes compared to the World Wars, Korea, and Vietnam. (All fought with conscripts, by the way.)

    Murray Rothbard called it the Welfare-Warfare State.

    Welfare policy rightly belongs to the church, not the state. The church doesn’t have guns. Nor set immigration policy.

  198. annamaria says:
    @Left means CIA

    “CIA is the regime. ”
    — They are the well-paid gangsters in service to the mega-banksters & MIC profiteers.
    See Epstein’s “suicide” and Ghislaine Maxwell’s free-range living. Nothing exposes the deep state better than the US/UK governments’ solidarity with the Mossad agents implicated in the procurement of minors for prostitution. Splendid! https://www.zerohedge.com/political/will-epstein-story-ever-be-fully-told

    The list of those who might have some knowledge of Epstein’s criminal enterprise includes a sitting president, ex-presidents, ex-prime ministers, Justice Department officials, State Department officials, FBI agents, employees of domestic and international intelligence agencies, state prosecutors, local law enforcement, politicians, ex-politicians, lobbyists, titans of industry and finance, CEOs, attorneys, accountants, banks and bankers, celebrities, academics, scientists, political operatives and executives within the Fourth Estate.

    Almost five months after Epstein’s arrest, one is struck by curious events that have already occurred and by developments yet to occur.

    For example, how is it possible that Ghislaine Maxwell – the “Bonnie” to Epstein’s “Clyde” – has yet to be charged with any crimes? Or, as far as the public knows, even been questioned by authorities…
    Epstein’s “ranch” in New Mexico has still not been searched.

    The public has also received no indication that authorities are, in fact, questioning any of Epstein’s many “associates,” especially those who may have had sexual contact with girls recruited and groomed by Epstein and Maxwell.

    Every time the sanctimonious mouths in the US and UK attempt to preach about patriotism, morality, and the bad Assange, they have to be stuck with a question about the whereabouts of Ghislaine Maxwell and the US/UK coverup protecting the dirty men like Bill Clinton, Les Wexner, and Andrew Windsor.
    There is still no Interpol Red Alert for Ghislaine Maxwell, the procuress of underage girls for the wealthy and influential rapists.

  199. @Skeptikal

    My Reaganite little sister turned 50 and has gone PC. She used the expression “white privilege” twice over Thanksgiving dinner. But since I was a guest, I held my peace.

    I got back at her later by using the RBG figurine she had on the mantle as a skeksis to play “Dark Crystal.” (“Oh, little gelfling, why do you hurt us so?”)

    Even got her husband to laugh at that one.

    We live in strange times.

  200. Obama’s throwing his weight behind Hillary is for the simple reason that he fears a Trump reelection will lead to an investigation into the role of Brennan, et al in the ginning up of the phony FISA warrant in initiating the Trump Russiagate witch hunt. He wants to save his own skin.

    • Agree: annamaria
  201. annamaria says:

    A seemingly unrelated but important issue — don’t fly on Boeing 787: https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/john-barnett-on-why-he-wont-fly-on-a-boeing-787-dreamliner/
    Too many idiot-managers zeroed in on personal profit.

  202. Sulu says:

    If by chance Hillary should run my only wish is for some one on her staff to get video of the moment she realizes she has lost to Trump for the second and last time. I would enjoy the spectacle. The incoherent screaming, the spittle running down her face, the throwing of ashtrays, and finally as her handler/doctor moves in to give her the needle that quiets her enough for her to be moved to bed. That would be youtube gold and a fitting exposition of her character and end to her career. Hillary has never been Presidential timber. But she has spent so much of her life close to power that her desire for it overpowers her limited ability to see herself for what she is. A third rate hillbilly lawyer that rode the coattails of Bill Clinton for 40+ years and in doing so has probably broken every commandment in the book. Both the Clintons should count themselves lucky they have not suffered the fate of Mussolini and his mistress.

    • Replies: @Alden
  203. @Richard B

    Buck up, Richard. You’ll have people wanting to jump out of a window or shoot their own selfs in the head about it.

  204. Alden says:
    @Pandour

    I’ve been trying to do that since 1968. Hasn’t worked

  205. Alden says:
    @Sulu

    Rumor had it that she broke a huge TV screen when she realized she lost the election.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  206. refl says:
    @Skeptikal

    You are right. Consortiumnews is certainly still one of the best sites, though I have not looked that much lately. Especially the whole complex of Iran-Contra and what followed from it with the Neocons and their proyect for a new American century was exposed there, including quite a high standard in the commenting section.
    What made me wonder, was that they spent a huge effort early on to refute russiagate, when I thought that it was so braindead that it was not even worth refuting. But there, it was me evidently, who underestimated the stupidity of our fellow educated modern Western citizenry.

    There was a time, not long ago, when I thought that the term ‘fake news’ was a self-defeating nobrainer.

  207. Richard B says:
    @John Johnson

    Excellent resonse John. I agree with almost all of it.

    I definitely agree that the hostile elite are, in one sense, finished.

    In fact, I think what we’re witnessing is

    The Pyrrhic Victory of The Hostile Elite.

    Because their rise to power has been in direct proportion to the collapse of the social institutions that power controls.

    The one part I’d like to agree with, but can’t, is this:

    What we need is a worker’s party that drops race entirely and just focuses on health care and jobs.

    The reason I can’t is because, though it sounds nice, it doesn’t correspond with the reality of our situation, at all. And we need to stay grounded in reality.

    I used to say that what we need is a Freedom Party made up of people from all walks of life who value freedom and don’t hate other races. And I said it because I’ve known such people.

    But the fact is, they’re in the minority. Sorting out race enough to organize a group based on the principles of freedom would be like trying to unscramble an omelette, or holding a town hall meeting during a hurricane.

    That was tried during the Tea Party movement. But the hostile elite squashed it exactly because it had people of different races supporting it.

    And how did they squash it? By making it about race, of course.

    In fact, after that they more than doubled down on race and class politics.

    The result was that Identity Politics got an enormous boost.

    But worse things happened and they were far more insidious and cruel.

    I’m speaking of The Federal Framing of Schaeffer Cox.

    This was a soft spoken young man who simply pointed out that the power of the purse and the power of the sword are not where they belong, in the hands of the people.

    When he started to attract attention he was set up, framed, and sent to jail.

    This is a young man with a wife and two children who did nothing wrong. Except maybe trusting the wrong people. But we’ve all done that and chalk it up as a life lesson, not as something we should sent to prison for.

    There was an excellent article titled “The Federal Framing of Schaeffer Cox” which gave a run down of what The FBI did to him.

    But try searching for that now.

    It’ll come up on the first page, second entry (under the Wiki page on him, the contents of which are predictable, of course).

    Then click the entry to see what you get and you’ll know what an uphill battle you’ll have if you try to organize a group in form operating within the confines of the law, which is what he was trying to do.

    By the way, how many people even know about his case? Or about him? Very few.

    And I think about that.

    Very odd. But not surprising.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  208. Richard B says:

    There’s this short article that outlines what The FBI did to Schaeffer Cox.

    https://www.excaliburnews.com/framed-fbi-schaeffer-cox-story/

  209. Haha says:
    @John Johnson

    The negative income tax will be largely funded by the millionaires and the super rich. I trusted most readers would be familiar with the mechanics of this scheme, which was proposed many years back.

    Yes, illness is a great misfortune, especially when the victim is blameless and poor. But to make government or greedy corporations in charge of alleviating this misfortune is clearly unsatisfactory. We all know the results of healthcare dominated by big bizz and government. Neither works, period. Clearly, some other arrangement needs to be devised. Even the negative income tax would need to be very, very cautious lest the government misuses it. That is why charity and philanthropy – which worked in the past and were the only sources of finance for healthcare for the poor – need to be encouraged to come back.

    But I repeat again: a sense of personal responsibility in matters of health will reduce human illness and lower societal costs. If forced to pay for the luxury for having illnesses like gender dystophia, how many will care to adopt such illnesses? Proud parents wanting little John to turn into little Jane will have serious second thoughts if faced with the prospect of paying through their noses for costs of surgery and medications for life for John/Jane.

  210. Non of them will beat Trump. Non.

    Only Andrew yang has a chance of beating trump. He can actually turn trump supporters/voters into his.

    Obama’s speech was just the big donors being scared. They need the status quote. N this is helping trump.

  211. bjondo says:
    @Kirt

    Michelle O’s only accomplishment is a smile.

    Kim Kardashian would be better.

    Of course,

    she would split the black vote: men, yes; women, no hell no.

    Trump should consider
    replacing Pence with KK
    through inauguration anyway.

    5ds

  212. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Biden / Michelle Obama.

    The non-racist African Racial Voting Bloc turns out in force and they win every swing State with a substantial African population — unless white turnout increases drastically.

  213. @AnonFromTN

    ” The myth is still a myth, nothing more”

    Bullshit, as I know what I viewed with my own two eyes. Of course a leftist such as yourself would be inclined to euphemize and cover up the rotten conditions in the “Workers paradise” back then, so let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

    AJM

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  214. @Authenticjazzman

    Sorry to disappoint on two scores: 1) I am certainly not a leftist (at least not what is called leftist now in the US: those people are either mad, which at least justifies the BS they are spewing, or shameless liars); 2) I have every reason to believe what my own eyes showed me for many years, a lot more than hearsay (which is not admissible in the court of law for a good reason).

  215. @Haha

    Yes, illness is a great misfortune, especially when the victim is blameless and poor. But to make government or greedy corporations in charge of alleviating this misfortune is clearly unsatisfactory. We all know the results of healthcare dominated by big bizz and government. Neither works, period.

    The ACA expanded health care access. We can expand health care access even further by taxing the wealthy. It doesn’t have to be a wealth tax. We can simply go back to treating all income equally. Would that cover everyone? Perhaps not but it would be an improvement over doing nothing.

    But I repeat again: a sense of personal responsibility in matters of health will reduce human illness and lower societal costs. If forced to pay for the luxury for having illnesses like gender dystophia, how many will care to adopt such illnesses?

    Gender bending shenanigans are not even a blip on the budget and the fact that you even bring it up shows that you watch too much Fox news.

    I already pointed out that most diseases that workers under 50 get are involuntary. Do your own research or talk to a Doctor if you doubt this.

    But you gloss over that and go back to this “personal responsibility” line of thinking that does nothing. People on Medicaid can already smoke and eat SNAP twinkies while a healthy middle class White can be left with nothing but bills and suffering. The current system is already dumb and unfair. Stop defending it.

    The free market is not some magic elixir. Liberal “magic dirt” and conservative “magic market” theories are destroying this country and making people stupid.

  216. annamaria says:

    Obama/Deep-state legacy in Ukraine: banderites united with zionists to appropriate the US/IMF funds (in the $billions) as well as what is left of Ukraine’s properties.
    NATO, filled to the brim with persons of easy morals, is happy to have the “special” Ukrainian reason for its existence.
    Life is stranger than fiction. https://thesaker.is/war-in-ukraine-the-one-you-are-not-been-told-about/

    The fact that local conflict over the right to milk soon to be empty udder of the sickly Ukrainian cow interlocks with the civil war inside US establishment is a good reason to keep an eye over what’s going on in Ukraine behind fake Russian aggression propaganda of the corporate media. For implications are not just for Ukraine and the USA, but the rest of the world as well.

    The “antisemitic” comment:

    Wasn’t it Kolonmoisky’s thugs that perpetrated the massacre in Odessa’s trades building? Remember the fat guy with a pistol, that kept on shooting at the poor people that were jumping from ledges? That guy was a well know thugs for hire who you can hear on the phone with Kolonmoisky, asking for instructions on the video that was captured during the massacre.

    More:

    That Kushner Dreams of Ukraine being his Greatest Whore House of them all, bigger than Vegas, Macau, or Dubai

    Had the Witch won, then it would have just been a matter of who gets what, with dTrumpf’s winning, the people of Ukraine get the shaft.

  217. SBaker says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Myself having visited several east-block countries long before the wall came down, I can vividly recall the dead eyes of the hopeless citizenry and the morgue-like atmosphere of the grey dismal cities

    Hear this man load and clear–for I too saw that look and have a very good friend that barely escaped leaving behind much of his family. People simply don’t know how bad it was, and is, to live in fear of being reported and disappearing from society. It was a holocaust.

  218. SBaker says:
    @Pandour

    So what is your party of preference? The Gay Party? What do you suggest, Socialism?

  219. SBaker says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    this country has been at war with somebody else for all but a handful of years since its inception.

    Yep, and war with criminal elements is not going to end; not here in America or somewhere else on the planet.

  220. @Richard B

    I used to say that what we need is a Freedom Party made up of people from all walks of life who value freedom and don’t hate other races. And I said it because I’ve known such people.

    But the fact is, they’re in the minority.

    They are indeed in the minority and such a party would certainly lose to the Democrats.

    But the real problem is that the conservative concept of American Freedom being the cause of America’s success is very fuzzy and based on flawed assumptions.

    Numerous third world countries have lower taxes along with less government spending and yet that same Freedom(tm) didn’t provide them with first class health care or an aerospace industry.

    So I see traditional conservatism as flawed even if you were able to create basically a multi-racial tea party.

    I see no way out other than a worker’s party that isn’t beholden to globalism. The current duopoly will eventually destroy the country. I only see multi-racial nationalism working against the establishment. Alternative suggestions are welcome though.

  221. @Haha

    The British NHS worked wonderfully until mass migration overwhelmed it. Australia had a terrific government run system even during periods of high migration but those migrants were carefully selected and quickly became contributors, unlike the mass migration from the Third World that is underway today.

    • Agree: Mike P
  222. Sulu says:
    @Alden

    The only thing that would surprise me about Hillary would be if some good in her was discovered. I have it on good authority that she frequently squashes puppies for entertainment. He he

  223. JADE says:

    lol….this is the biggest piece of crap i have read in a long time..i was debating if this place is worth reading…now i know for sure..it IS NOT!

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  224. Kunstler put it best: Hillary would be the Democratic Party’s cyanide capsule. After thirty years of betraying their constituency they still don’t believe it makes any difference. I do hope she runs.

  225. David Evans says: • Website

    Now that Kamala Harris dropped out, who else is the Israeli-controlled DNC going to promote? Which candidate, like Hillary in 2016, will better promise continuing the multi-trillion-dollar wars for Israel as US cities rot?

    https://futurefastforward.com/…/clinton-email-must…/

  226. Both major US parties and those of European Parliaments and all US vassal states are Israeli-controlled.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d2_1490299824&comments=1

    Israel is the nexus of wars and orchestrated chaos:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    As Israel grows its regional empire, it has sights on becoming NWO Headquarters as the global economic gravity shifts east:

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/buntings-map-and-israel-on-chinas-new-silk-road/

    Meet the globalists, the same Bolshevik tribe which has morphed Trotskyite global revolution into PNAC globalism:

    https://mastersofdeception.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/masters-of-deception-chapter-fourteen/

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  227. @JADE

    Goodbye then. We’re really going to miss you, no really! lol

  228. This impeachment trial is a sham. Our politicians don’t care about the American people. They only care about ousting someone that they do not like. It is la la land that we have a president who has kept us out of wars, tried to put our economy on the best footing, talked with our enemies instead of bombing them, is attempting to root out corruption and yet they still want him gone.

    Newsflash: Trump is not unbeatable in 2020. The Dems believe he is however and that is why they are taking these steps. You have capable candidates running for office in the Democratic Party: I would say Gabbard, Biden, Bloomberg, Warren, or even Mayor Pete could beat Trump in 2020. You do not have to impeach to win. It would be better to focus on winning the election than making yourselves look like assholes, not caring about the American people, and making a sham out of the entire American democratic system.

    The glass is not half empty or half full. It is what it is. And finally, there is a freakin’ wide open faucet for us to fill our glasses whenever we need more water. Say no to impeachment.

    Step in and stop the travesty Supreme Court.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  229. @Tashisherpa

    It would be better to focus on winning the election than making yourselves look like assholes, not caring about the American people, and making a sham out of the entire American democratic system.

    They could be just stupid, or they could be taking their marching orders from some folks who want them to lose the election, think they _are_ assholes, don’t care about the American people, and don’t care about the American democratic system.

    Of course, if you believed the second alternative that would make you a conspiracy theorist.

    The horror!

  230. So the black interloper is fronting for the psychopath? A pox on bothe of their houses.

  231. @Twodees Partain

    Given bad blood between Obama and the Clintons, perhaps he wants Hillary to run BECAUSE he expects her to lose and be humiliated.

    Also, Obama might feel that he will look more impressive if the Dems are unable to win — even with increasingly favorable demographics — for two or three elections without him on the ticket.

  232. @Longfisher

    Hope you’re right, but not confident.

    Many younger and not-so-young people border on worshipfulness towards homosexuals, and hysteria of that inherently unhygienic unhealthy family-ending lifestyle is criticized.

    The hope would have to be that those not indoctrinated into the homosexual fashion and naturally are disgusted by it, will turn out to vote in greater numbers than they would have. But Americans are pretty lazy when it comes to registering and voting, even when they claim they are outraged by the state of affairs.

    As an aside, how strange it would be to see muslims expressing disgust toward our president — some Muslim leaders perhaps refusing to meet with him — and AGREEING with them.

  233. Madcap Laughs [AKA "Fundamental Transformation"] says:

    Has anyone seen the fainting hopey changey girls from 2008? Why won’t Hussein Hopenchange endorse Jo Jo Biden?

  234. @Jim Christian

    I tend to share your bleak assessment of how the lefties in our big cities will react to trump’s reelection.

    We live in LA and don’t look forward to being here if he wins.

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  235. @RadicalCenter

    We live in LA and don’t look forward to being here if he wins.

    Man, Northern Virginia was like that ten years ago. Completely left-wing fascist. A McCain sticker on your car would buy you a broken window or keyed paint. Who wants to live in such a place? I got the hell out in 2009 and moved well North of Boston. Rural. More guns here than in Northern Virginia today, in private hands. We’re mostly lilly-White and the only diversity here is Hispanic and they aren’t patrolling the street looking to kill Whites. In fact, THEY despide Blacks, as you know from L.A.. The cops are friendlier, too. Even cops are miserable, jackbooted assholes down there. A hideous society there. Of course. It’s Blue.

  236. If Trump is not stopped,the planet will be destroyed!

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