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Needless to say, Richard Spencer’s misjudged conclusion to his NPI conference keynote speech, “Hail Trump, Hail our People, Hail Victory,” and a few of his more juvenile supporters’ Roman salute in response, was the top Main Stream Media story for days, with even President-elect Trump being required to “disavow” the Alt Right. As Peter Brimelow made clear, VDARE.com also “disavows” this behavior. American immigration patriotism has absolutely nothing to do with Nazi ideology. Allowing the MSM to strengthen this misinterpretation is folly. But the unpleasantness at NPI and the MSM’s reaction must be set in perspective.

CNN headlined “Alt Right Founder Questions if Jews are People,” which dozens of other Main Stream Media outlets repeated. But in fact Spencer had referred to Republican political consultants as “soulless Golems” without even mentioning Jews. [SURPRISE! CNN Makes A False Claim And Press Picks It Up, by Alex Pfeiffer, Daily Caller, November 21, 2016]

Spencer himself did not give the salute. Neither Spencer nor anyone at the conference called for violence. But there was violence—from “anti-racist” protesters relentlessly attacking NPI’s right to peacefully assemble, with minimal interference by the D.C. police or coverage from the MSM.

Moreover, despite Richard Spencer’s knack for obtaining press coverage, he is a ruthlessly marginalized figure. In an unprecedented move, the National Press Club cancelled his recent press conference. Restaurants apologize to the Left for letting him hold a private dinner. He is compelled to use expensive government buildings where he has First Amendment protection. He is banned from Twitter. Were Spencer to abandon politics and use his undeniable talents and intellect to look for a job in the private sector, he’d be frozen out from almost every white-collar job in the country.

As VDARE.com’s Brimelow pointed out, the millennial Alt Right’s flirtation with Nazi imagery is a reaction to the undeniable reality that they have absolutely nothing to lose by being reasonable and respectful when promoting their views.

So, at the end of the day, what occurred was just that someone who the MSM has already branded irredeemably racist and his followers made offensive, but harmless, comments and gestures.

In contrast, consider the MSM’s reaction to POLITICO Magazine’s national editor Michael Hirsh’s tweet and Facebook post of two addresses at which he thought Spencer lived.

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Actually, Spencer’s estranged wife and infant daughter occupies one of the addresses with their basset hound. Spencer apparently has not lived at the other for years i.e. Hirsh put in jeopardy some entirely innocent new tenant.

When asked his motive for posting, Hirsh responded, “I wasn’t thinking of a fucking letter. . .Our grandfathers brought baseball bats to Bund meetings. Want to join me?”

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[Politico Editor RESIGNS After Publishing Home Addresses Of Alt-Right Icon Richard Spencer, Advocating For ‘Baseball Bats’, by Jonah Bennett, Daily Caller, November 22, 2016]

While Hirsh is not as famous as Spencer, he is a well-established MSM journalist. POLITICO is one of the most influential online political publications. It secures interviews with Presidents, Senators, Governors. Congressmen regularly write op-eds for it.

Hirsh has not apologized, but I suspect he will eventually express vague regret for his behavior, which he will call an overreaction. He will not apologize directly to Spencer, and in fact will likely denounce him in his “apology.” And within months, Hirsh will be working at another MSM outlet.

Spencer has never made anything close to this explicit call for violence. In fact, for all the screaming about the supposed torrent of hate crimes, I don’t think you can find a single Trump supporter who has done such a thing. If he did, he’d be in jail, and it would be news for weeks.

But no-one has asked the other MSM journalists who railed at Spencer over the last few days to “disavow” this call for violence. The New York Times’ token conservative Ross Douthat even seemed to endorse it.

Hirsh’s threat received barely any MSM attention. Outside of conservative media it’s been primarily covered on the media blogs of CNN or the Washington Post, but not the actual news sites, much less network or cable television.

Further, while the media’s coverage of NPI focused solely on Richard Spencer’s most incendiary lines, and passed over violence by “anti-Fascist” mob, the few stories on Hirsh spend a great deal of space on how Spencer provoked him and ignore his violence.

Thus CNN’s media critic Dylan Byers said Hirsh was “encouraging people to go to his home” but failed to mention his threat to go there himself and bring baseball bats. But Byers did manage to find the space to conclude his piece by attacking Lou Dobbs:

Hirsh is not the only journalist who has posted the address of a private citizen in a way that might lead to problems for that person, though different news organizations have taken different approaches to such breaches of conduct.

Last month, Fox Business anchor Lou Dobbs tweeted a link to a post that included what were supposedly the address and phone number of Jessica Leeds, a woman who had accused Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her. (Trump has said Leeds’ story is false. CNN has not independently verified her allegations against Trump.) Dobbs later apologized, writing: “My Retweet, My Mistake, My Apology to Jessica Leeds.”

[Politico editor resigns after publishing addresses of extremist leader, November 22, 2016]

This tangent on Dobbs took up 105 words of a 310-word piece. If Byers’ story was your sole source, you would think that Fox gave the Trump-supporting Dobbs a slap on the wrist for the same transgression that POLITICO made Hirsh resign for. And of course, Hirsh’s victim was an (alleged) evil Nazi, while Dobbs went after an (alleged) rape victim.

But Dobbs, of course, did not call for people to show up at Leeds house with baseball bats. In fact, he simply retweeted a claim that she was tied to the Clinton Foundation, which included an image that compared a phone number in Wikileaks to her contact information. He likely didn’t even notice the personal information when he retweeted.

Dobbs may have been careless, but not malicious. And even the original tweet had a legitimate—albeit incorrect—purpose: to question Leeds’s credibility. [Fox Business host Lou Dobbs appears to post personal information of Trump accuser on Twitter, by Oliver Darcy, Business Insider, Oct. 13, 2016] Furthermore, it’s worth noting that Dobbs’ careless innocent mistake received far more media attention than Byers malicious call for violence.

In 2009, a bullet struck Dobbs’ own home after he’d received multiple death threats because of his opposition to (illegal) immigration. As Brenda Walker noted at the time, this received minimal MSM attention. The New York Times seemed to think it was probably a stray bullet fired by rural .Jerseyans [Lou Dobbs Says His Views Made His Home a Target, By Brian Stelter, NYT, October 30, 2009]

In his now-infamous speech, Spencer referred to the “Lügenpresse,” a term that predates Nazi Germany by more than 75 years but was used by the Third Reich among many others. It’s used today in Germany to refer to immigration enthusiasm and suppression of immigrant crime news in the (German) Main Stream Media.

The Wikipedia entry for Lying Pres s (as of today) says

In late 2014, the term was repopularised by the right-wing grassroots movementPegida in response to what its protesters felt was a scornful treatment by the mainstream media, as well as biased press reporting on the rising migrant influx and other immigration issues. It was chosen to be the Un-word of the year 2014 by a panel of five linguists and journalists of the Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache for “wholesale defamation” of the work of the media.[6] President Gauck [the current President of Germany, a largely ceremonial position] condemned the chanting of the slogan as “ahistorical nonsense”, maintaining that in contrast to the Nazi and the GDR era the federal German press is not manipulative in character and “covers events mostly in a correct and balanced way”.

But the New York Times predictably described this as “Nazi propaganda in the original German.” [Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump’s Election With a Salute: ‘Heil Victory,’ by Joseph Goldstein, November 20, 2016].

(Note that this MSM report too has been significantly walked back: ‘Heil’ vs. ‘Hail’: New York Times corrects report on alt-right conference, by Erick Wemple, Washington Post, November 23, 2016)

At VDARE, we see no need to resort to German. We are very happy to quote President-elect Trump instead:

The double standards revealed by the way the MSM treated NPI in contrast Hirsh is just another example of why Trump calls them the “dishonest and corrupt media.”

Roger Dooghy (email him) is a Conservatism Inc. refugee making an honest living.

(Republished from VDare.com by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. FKA Max says:

    Important video!

    The Alt-Right NPI Conference Controversy (with Matt Tait)

    Published on Nov 24, 2016

    A conversation with NPI Speaker, Matt Tait, about the recent events at the NPI conference. What are the consequences for the alt-right?

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  2. FKA Max says:

    IT’S NOT ABOUT WHO’S IN THE MOVEMENT, IT’S ABOUT WHO’S NOT IN THE MOVEMENT YET

    http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2016/11/its-not-about-whos-in-movement-its.html

    Believe it or not, Carlos Slim’s blog just said that ‘whites… [organizing] for their rights’ does ‘not sound too menacing.’ I’m also rather pleased to see VDare referred to simply as ‘an anti-immigration website,’ rather than a ‘hate site’ or some variation thereof.

    Now you could argue that the NYT is just saying this to make Spencer’s comments seem all the worse, and that if Spencer’s stormfaggotry had not occured they would never have taken this almost non-demonizing stance. At the end of the day, though, the NYT is not who we are trying to reach. They would have still reported things that do not ‘sound too menacing’ whether they described them that way or not. In that article only two out of 41 (short) paragraphs (if I counted correctly) are about the rest of the conference. What should have been a great victory has become a major setback. [...]

    Call me an elitist, but having grown up in an upper middle class family I find street thugs of any disposition repulsive. The Alt-Right is a movement of mostly well educated and intellectual people. As much as the stormerfags might hate it, you’re far more likely to swallow a red pill handed to you by Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire than Andrew Anglin.

    Why couldn’t NPI have been more like this?

    Donald Trump will Complete the System of German Idealism

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    • Replies: @iffen
    you’re far more likely to swallow a red pill handed to you by Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire than Andrew Anglin.

    You would, but you are not everybody. I know that if you re-consider, you will realize that there are many, many different personas, variations in dogma, different presentations of propaganda, etc. that appeal to different people or different slices of the populace with varying degrees of success.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Donald Trump will complete the System of German idealism"

    There is no such animal as : "German Idealism".

    Spent decades there, and read write and speak their lingo fluently.

    Their most revealing and bizarre attribute being their worship of : Professors, doctors, judges, journalists.

    I can vivedly recall an incident years ago in Düsseldorf while in the wating room of a doctors office when the Medico entered, and all of the waiting patients stood up as if the pope had arrived, or a General had entered a command post.

    In other words they revere and worship the most destructive underhanded scoundrels of society.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years, and pro jazz artist.
  3. …Richard Spencer’s misjudged conclusion to his NPI conference keynote speech, “Hail Trump, Hail our People, Hail Victory,” and a few of his more juvenile supporters’ Roman salute in response… As Peter Brimelow made clear, VDARE.com also “disavows” this behavior… Allowing the MSM to strengthen this misinterpretation is folly.

    Lame.

    Has The Donald not taught you guys anything?

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    There is this dangerous myth among some on the Alt Right ( 'The Cult of not wanting to be called a Cuck' ), that supposedly Donald Trump never apologizes for anything. This is simply not true, and this belief indeed is folly.

    Donald Trump apologizes for sexist comments about groping women

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycfARBsz6_Y
    , @joe webb
    karlin is still here? his cryptic statement is curious. more oriental inscrutability.

    Or obfuscation. Plain talk please. Joe Webb
  4. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It would be funny to see Spencer’s kneecaps get shattered by some angry old bat wielding burly Jewish guys.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Racist Jewish supremacists / Zionists only attack defenseless women & children.

    Dr. Tony Martin - The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7I75Q_-zA

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/jews--the-slave-trade.html

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/6585841.jpg?296
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  5. 5371 says:

    I blame Tarantino and his “bear Jew”. Many of the fat and prematurely balding suddenly felt themselves enormously tough.

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    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
    "You get that for killing Jews?"
    "Bravery."

    One of his best scenes ever.
  6. iffen says:
    @FKA Max
    IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO'S IN THE MOVEMENT, IT'S ABOUT WHO'S NOT IN THE MOVEMENT YET

    http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2016/11/its-not-about-whos-in-movement-its.html

    Believe it or not, Carlos Slim’s blog just said that ‘whites… [organizing] for their rights’ does ‘not sound too menacing.’ I’m also rather pleased to see VDare referred to simply as ‘an anti-immigration website,’ rather than a ‘hate site’ or some variation thereof.

    Now you could argue that the NYT is just saying this to make Spencer’s comments seem all the worse, and that if Spencer’s stormfaggotry had not occured they would never have taken this almost non-demonizing stance. At the end of the day, though, the NYT is not who we are trying to reach. They would have still reported things that do not ‘sound too menacing’ whether they described them that way or not. In that article only two out of 41 (short) paragraphs (if I counted correctly) are about the rest of the conference. What should have been a great victory has become a major setback. [...]

    Call me an elitist, but having grown up in an upper middle class family I find street thugs of any disposition repulsive. The Alt-Right is a movement of mostly well educated and intellectual people. As much as the stormerfags might hate it, you’re far more likely to swallow a red pill handed to you by Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire than Andrew Anglin.
     
    Why couldn't NPI have been more like this?

    Donald Trump will Complete the System of German Idealism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po

    you’re far more likely to swallow a red pill handed to you by Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire than Andrew Anglin.

    You would, but you are not everybody. I know that if you re-consider, you will realize that there are many, many different personas, variations in dogma, different presentations of propaganda, etc. that appeal to different people or different slices of the populace with varying degrees of success.

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  7. A group calling themselves PropOrNot.com has besmirched Unz.com, amongst many others, as “reliably echoing Russian propaganda.” This has received considerable attention in the MSM.
    Obviously, PropOrNot is some front for the Neoliberals , Soros or the like. As James Kirkpatrick has said, this looks like an attempt to reclaim the Narrative. Hillary Clinton lost not because Donald Trump beat her, she lost because of a Russian-orchestrated campaign by ” fake news ” websites. It was a stab in the back (just like Germany in 1918 ! ).
    Obviously, Liberals ( who are anything but ) and the Left will claim that such websites should be shut down. No chance in Trump’s America, but watch out German Reader.
    Meanwhile, like the rest of the MSM, CNN fabricates ” fake news ” about its enemies everyday, as Richard Spencer has found out.
    At least in the Soviet Union, the hacks knew when they were fabricating material. Now many MSM hacks seem unaware they are doing this, so blinkered are they. At least when the MSM finally collapses, it will be comforting to know that these morally blind people will never have a job in journalism again.

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    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    Richard Spencer doesn't seem the sharpest pencil in the box. Apparently, he had been warned not to invite journalists into the meeting and to expect to be misquoted. Over time, he will be replaced by competent, professional leaders who will appeal to voters over the media's head as Trump has done. Media interviews will be in controlled situations.
    They will have to form a political party, as in France, or perish. Either way, 10 years from now Spencer will be a largely forgotten figure.
  8. Rehmat says:

    The Organized Jewry and its controlled mainstream media have a long history of creating White supremacist like Ku Klux Klan, the English Defence League, European Defense League, French National Front, British National Party, Geert Wilder’s Party for Freedom, and now the so-called Alt-Right are all Israel’s bed-fellows.

    Jewish media created Alt-Right spokespersons such as Richard Spencer, Breitbart, a news website founded by Andrew Breitbart, a Zionist Jew. Breitbart’s CEO on leave, Stephen Bannon, is Donald Trump’s top strategic adviser. Bannon has been declared kosher not only by ADL, but also Israel’s agriculture minister Uri Ariel……

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/11/25/white-supremacy-is-good-for-israel/

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  9. Avery says:

    {Roman salute in response,}

    Well, No: the Roman salute was a raised arm with open hand below the height of the shoulder. The origins being to show no hidden weapon in the right hand.

    The Nazi salute is very different from the ancient Roman salute.
    The few guys at the NPI conference were clearly giving the Nazi salute.
    Nazi salute was copied from Mussolini’s Fascist salute, also with arm raised very high. Mussolini’s Fascists modified their ancestor’s Roman raised-arm salute to come up with their own variant.


    {Spencer himself did not give the salute.}

    Well, kinda-sorta.

    Spencer is smart enough not to do it openly.
    But if you watch the video, he imitated it by grabbing the glass of water on the lectern with a strange motion: the nuts in the audience got the message.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Optics, they don't consider the optics. It's become a big fat pain in Trump's (and I suppose, Bannon's) ass. It undermines things, don't these folks care about THAT? Or are they Fuck Trump, we're doing what we want? These guys are little different from the pukes that riot in the name of the Left.

    We have this Sanders broad announcing Democrats don't need Whites in the Party, but not a word about that bit of racist shit. Some jack-ass's cell video showing nitwits doing the Hitleresque salute and they spray it around the world. Again, optics. Is the mission not to shitty-up Trump?

    Nothing makes sense. Nothing. Trying to figure out motivations of each faction is a senseless exercise. Trump? Him too. He's playing footsie with sketchy characters like Romney, a man that robbed companies and that insulted and harangued Trump to the final day of the campaign. Then there's Patreus, a fired and demoted General that can't get a security clearance, who engages in sordid affairs and then blabs the country's secrets to the slut post-coitus. Trump surely can't respect a "man" that loses his ball to women and how do you trust the prick knowing his history? With Romney and Petreus, where's the benefit?
  10. Ye Gawds, Twitter. The ultimate drunk dial. Between the football players, the politicians, the press, it’s interesting to follow these nuts after-hours. These bastards have got to be sitting down to a bottle of single-malt, their phones and it’s Wings Away, Pegasus! Do they hate themselves in the morning? Do they do a walk of shame to the bedroom to sleep off their remarks? Do they understand they can’t un-say what they’ve said? Maybe it’s me, but my impression is Twitter is becoming the Numero Uno career killer. Trump took good advantage, but practically no one else does.

    One would think these folks would STFU. Nothing to be gained, everything to lose, especially with that bottle of single-malt in front of you..

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    These bastards have got to be sitting down to a bottle of single-malt, their phones and it’s Wings Away, Pegasus!
     
    Single malt? More like Captain Morgan Spiced Rum. These aren't men; they're ponces.
  11. @FKA Max
    IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO'S IN THE MOVEMENT, IT'S ABOUT WHO'S NOT IN THE MOVEMENT YET

    http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2016/11/its-not-about-whos-in-movement-its.html

    Believe it or not, Carlos Slim’s blog just said that ‘whites… [organizing] for their rights’ does ‘not sound too menacing.’ I’m also rather pleased to see VDare referred to simply as ‘an anti-immigration website,’ rather than a ‘hate site’ or some variation thereof.

    Now you could argue that the NYT is just saying this to make Spencer’s comments seem all the worse, and that if Spencer’s stormfaggotry had not occured they would never have taken this almost non-demonizing stance. At the end of the day, though, the NYT is not who we are trying to reach. They would have still reported things that do not ‘sound too menacing’ whether they described them that way or not. In that article only two out of 41 (short) paragraphs (if I counted correctly) are about the rest of the conference. What should have been a great victory has become a major setback. [...]

    Call me an elitist, but having grown up in an upper middle class family I find street thugs of any disposition repulsive. The Alt-Right is a movement of mostly well educated and intellectual people. As much as the stormerfags might hate it, you’re far more likely to swallow a red pill handed to you by Jared Taylor or John Derbyshire than Andrew Anglin.
     
    Why couldn't NPI have been more like this?

    Donald Trump will Complete the System of German Idealism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po

    ” Donald Trump will complete the System of German idealism”

    There is no such animal as : “German Idealism”.

    Spent decades there, and read write and speak their lingo fluently.

    Their most revealing and bizarre attribute being their worship of : Professors, doctors, judges, journalists.

    I can vivedly recall an incident years ago in Düsseldorf while in the wating room of a doctors office when the Medico entered, and all of the waiting patients stood up as if the pope had arrived, or a General had entered a command post.

    In other words they revere and worship the most destructive underhanded scoundrels of society.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member of forty-plus years, and pro jazz artist.

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  12. @Avery
    {Roman salute in response,}

    Well, No: the Roman salute was a raised arm with open hand below the height of the shoulder. The origins being to show no hidden weapon in the right hand.

    The Nazi salute is very different from the ancient Roman salute.
    The few guys at the NPI conference were clearly giving the Nazi salute.
    Nazi salute was copied from Mussolini's Fascist salute, also with arm raised very high. Mussolini's Fascists modified their ancestor's Roman raised-arm salute to come up with their own variant.


    {Spencer himself did not give the salute.}


    Well, kinda-sorta.

    Spencer is smart enough not to do it openly.
    But if you watch the video, he imitated it by grabbing the glass of water on the lectern with a strange motion: the nuts in the audience got the message.

    Optics, they don’t consider the optics. It’s become a big fat pain in Trump’s (and I suppose, Bannon’s) ass. It undermines things, don’t these folks care about THAT? Or are they Fuck Trump, we’re doing what we want? These guys are little different from the pukes that riot in the name of the Left.

    We have this Sanders broad announcing Democrats don’t need Whites in the Party, but not a word about that bit of racist shit. Some jack-ass’s cell video showing nitwits doing the Hitleresque salute and they spray it around the world. Again, optics. Is the mission not to shitty-up Trump?

    Nothing makes sense. Nothing. Trying to figure out motivations of each faction is a senseless exercise. Trump? Him too. He’s playing footsie with sketchy characters like Romney, a man that robbed companies and that insulted and harangued Trump to the final day of the campaign. Then there’s Patreus, a fired and demoted General that can’t get a security clearance, who engages in sordid affairs and then blabs the country’s secrets to the slut post-coitus. Trump surely can’t respect a “man” that loses his ball to women and how do you trust the prick knowing his history? With Romney and Petreus, where’s the benefit?

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    • Replies: @anon
    Are you really comparing a bunch of law-abiding people doing un-PC things in a semi-private venue to rioters?

    Im not saying that what happened was the wisest thing but the media is going to label anyone who opposes white displacement and disenfranchisement as "Nazis." Stop punching to the right.
  13. @Jim Christian
    Ye Gawds, Twitter. The ultimate drunk dial. Between the football players, the politicians, the press, it's interesting to follow these nuts after-hours. These bastards have got to be sitting down to a bottle of single-malt, their phones and it's Wings Away, Pegasus! Do they hate themselves in the morning? Do they do a walk of shame to the bedroom to sleep off their remarks? Do they understand they can't un-say what they've said? Maybe it's me, but my impression is Twitter is becoming the Numero Uno career killer. Trump took good advantage, but practically no one else does.

    One would think these folks would STFU. Nothing to be gained, everything to lose, especially with that bottle of single-malt in front of you..

    These bastards have got to be sitting down to a bottle of single-malt, their phones and it’s Wings Away, Pegasus!

    Single malt? More like Captain Morgan Spiced Rum. These aren’t men; they’re ponces.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Well, what can I say? I project my own habits in Scotch (Glendronach, supposedly 15 years old, but they're fraudulent and persnickety folk, the lot of them). With merely a couple of fingers into a thin-walled crystal short glass, I enjoy the peat and a buzz of exquisite quality. What fuels the drunken ravings of others, I don't know. At these prices, my own drunken ravings might as well come from Pabst Blue Ribbon, my Scottish father's choice while the prime steaks on the grill were being touched up to a perfect medium rare, charcoal only. I had a lovely childhood, especially Sunday dinner.

    Not much of a drinker, my Pop, but he taught us to drink our bourbon and Scotch with ice, a splash or straight as it is only a faggot that ruins good booze with coke of ginger. Advice that has served me well with bar tenders the world over. Butchers and bar tenders appreciate a customer that knows what he's talking about. I pity the drunks whose fathers didn't teach them to properly appreciate their drinking.

    Wayward tee shots and career-killing comments, blurted out in a drunken fog, seldom allow redress with Scots, Trump being one of them, supposedly. After all, the Irish call it a Mulligan. The Scots call it three-off-the-tee. You have to pick your companions carefully, no?

  14. Oh, please, leftist slime. Do bring your baseball bats to the gun fight

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {Oh, please, leftist slime. Do bring your baseball bats to the gun fight}

    What does the 'left' have to do with this?

    About 16 million Americans served during WW2 to defeat Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.
    Left, Right, middle of the road,.....red, white and blue Americans.

    There are still ~855,000 WW2 vets alive.
    Aside from being stupid, those confused individuals at NPI, including Spencer, insult American vets who fought and were KIA and WIA fighting Nazis - by giving the Nazi salute on American soil.

    Really despicable.
    Un-American.
    Anti-American.

  15. MLK says:

    The Good Guys (and Girls) need to get serious. The Good Guys being those who genuinely wanted Trump to win the election and make progress on American renewal.

    Consider a simple question. Is there anyone not insane that thinks the Democrats were lucky this year? Yet all year long they seemingly kept drawing royal straight flushes from antics by David Duke and other assorted KKK/Neo-Nazis/White Supremacists, who all purported to be thrilled by the prospect of a President Trump?

    “…Richard Spencer’s misjudged conclusion to his NPI conference keynote speech, “Hail Trump, Hail our People, Hail Victory,” and a few of his more juvenile supporters’ Roman salute in response…”

    Misjudged?! Juvenile?! How about his holding this conference in Washington DC just weeks into the transition period?

    Objectively, Spencer aided not just those who seek to strangle a Trump presidency in its crib, but the predicate for progress on Immigration Moratorium/Restriction, Trade etc… in the form of key appointments in the new administration.

    Regardless of what you think of White Nationalism — and I am disinterested, except insofar as I consider it a wholly unhelpful reaction to Identity Politics, you’re a fool if you do not now question the motives, objectives, and true loyalties of Richard Spencer.

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    • Replies: @Bill
    Indeed, the OP says:

    Moreover, despite Richard Spencer’s knack for obtaining press coverage, he is a ruthlessly marginalized figure.
     
    Richard Spencer's "knack for obtaining press coverage." What that means is that the press chooses to hold up Richard Spencer as the leader of the alt right. Richard Spencer's "knack" is in providing the lugenpresse what it wants.
  16. Excellent article. It captures the deeply dishonest manner in which the Zio-media and ‘anti-fascist’ networks work hand-in-hand. These strategic distortions are nothing new. They steered America into both world wars as well as the destruction of Iraq, Syria and Libya. Next target: Iran.

    Ironically, it’s the antifa Leftists who are the thugs and hooligans, not the pro-white dissidents. But the kosher media spins this conflict involving Speech and Freedom of Association in the opposite direction, away from Constitutionally-protected rights and freedoms.

    Thus, the bat wielding thugs and censors are treated like defenders of liberty while their pro-white victims get assaulted, defamed, and spat upon. Media bias of this magnitude is a living cancer.

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  17. @Verymuchalive
    A group calling themselves PropOrNot.com has besmirched Unz.com, amongst many others, as "reliably echoing Russian propaganda." This has received considerable attention in the MSM.
    Obviously, PropOrNot is some front for the Neoliberals , Soros or the like. As James Kirkpatrick has said, this looks like an attempt to reclaim the Narrative. Hillary Clinton lost not because Donald Trump beat her, she lost because of a Russian-orchestrated campaign by " fake news " websites. It was a stab in the back (just like Germany in 1918 ! ).
    Obviously, Liberals ( who are anything but ) and the Left will claim that such websites should be shut down. No chance in Trump's America, but watch out German Reader.
    Meanwhile, like the rest of the MSM, CNN fabricates " fake news " about its enemies everyday, as Richard Spencer has found out.
    At least in the Soviet Union, the hacks knew when they were fabricating material. Now many MSM hacks seem unaware they are doing this, so blinkered are they. At least when the MSM finally collapses, it will be comforting to know that these morally blind people will never have a job in journalism again.

    Richard Spencer doesn’t seem the sharpest pencil in the box. Apparently, he had been warned not to invite journalists into the meeting and to expect to be misquoted. Over time, he will be replaced by competent, professional leaders who will appeal to voters over the media’s head as Trump has done. Media interviews will be in controlled situations.
    They will have to form a political party, as in France, or perish. Either way, 10 years from now Spencer will be a largely forgotten figure.

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    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    I agree with you that spencer could have used better discretion. He doesnt think on the fly.
  18. FKA Max says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ...Richard Spencer’s misjudged conclusion to his NPI conference keynote speech, “Hail Trump, Hail our People, Hail Victory,” and a few of his more juvenile supporters’ Roman salute in response... As Peter Brimelow made clear, VDARE.com also “disavows” this behavior... Allowing the MSM to strengthen this misinterpretation is folly.
     
    Lame.

    Has The Donald not taught you guys anything?

    There is this dangerous myth among some on the Alt Right ( ‘The Cult of not wanting to be called a Cuck’ ), that supposedly Donald Trump never apologizes for anything. This is simply not true, and this belief indeed is folly.

    Donald Trump apologizes for sexist comments about groping women

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  19. @Verymuchalive
    Richard Spencer doesn't seem the sharpest pencil in the box. Apparently, he had been warned not to invite journalists into the meeting and to expect to be misquoted. Over time, he will be replaced by competent, professional leaders who will appeal to voters over the media's head as Trump has done. Media interviews will be in controlled situations.
    They will have to form a political party, as in France, or perish. Either way, 10 years from now Spencer will be a largely forgotten figure.

    I agree with you that spencer could have used better discretion. He doesnt think on the fly.

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    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    I quite like Spencer and his work. He represents a middle ground or blending of the VDare/Amren crowd and the edgier TRS/Daily Stormer camp.
  20. joe webb says:

    Richard Spencer, whom I know, is the equivalent on the racial right, of pussy riot on the loony left.

    His ego is on parade and I have started a call on the racial right to repudiate him and his juvenile antics, and to go on to a denazification program.

    White Nationalism is now a diseased term, thanks to Spencer. There is also even a kind of pink nazism in him. Various notables who spoke at the NPI event have repudiated him. Jared Taylor has personally broken with him, totally.

    How about White Internationalism as a replacement term?

    Joe Webb

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    • Replies: @Epochehusserl
    Do you have a link to where Richard Spencer was repudiated by jared taylor?
    , @Anonymous
    Spencer is a National Socialist. We need National Socialism, and we need it now. If you can't handle it, buzz off.
    , @MichaelRolls
    "White Internationalism"

    Some of us think the 'nationalism' bit is more important than the 'white' bit.

    And 'internationalism' sounds a little open-borders-ish. Shudder.
  21. joe webb says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ...Richard Spencer’s misjudged conclusion to his NPI conference keynote speech, “Hail Trump, Hail our People, Hail Victory,” and a few of his more juvenile supporters’ Roman salute in response... As Peter Brimelow made clear, VDARE.com also “disavows” this behavior... Allowing the MSM to strengthen this misinterpretation is folly.
     
    Lame.

    Has The Donald not taught you guys anything?

    karlin is still here? his cryptic statement is curious. more oriental inscrutability.

    Or obfuscation. Plain talk please. Joe Webb

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  22. @joe webb
    Richard Spencer, whom I know, is the equivalent on the racial right, of pussy riot on the loony left.

    His ego is on parade and I have started a call on the racial right to repudiate him and his juvenile antics, and to go on to a denazification program.

    White Nationalism is now a diseased term, thanks to Spencer. There is also even a kind of pink nazism in him. Various notables who spoke at the NPI event have repudiated him. Jared Taylor has personally broken with him, totally.

    How about White Internationalism as a replacement term?

    Joe Webb

    Do you have a link to where Richard Spencer was repudiated by jared taylor?

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  23. Avery says:
    @Inque Yutani
    Oh, please, leftist slime. Do bring your baseball bats to the gun fight

    {Oh, please, leftist slime. Do bring your baseball bats to the gun fight}

    What does the ‘left’ have to do with this?

    About 16 million Americans served during WW2 to defeat Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.
    Left, Right, middle of the road,…..red, white and blue Americans.

    There are still ~855,000 WW2 vets alive.
    Aside from being stupid, those confused individuals at NPI, including Spencer, insult American vets who fought and were KIA and WIA fighting Nazis – by giving the Nazi salute on American soil.

    Really despicable.
    Un-American.
    Anti-American.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    And the US forced Japanese-Americans into concentration camps, the US even had the Japanese in So. America moved and forced into US concentration camps.

    The US & the stupid "vets" deserve to be insulted for their complicity.

    Look at a map of the world at the time, which Imperial powers actually ruled the world? Not the Germans, Italians, or Japanese.

  24. American immigration patriotism has absolutely nothing to do with Nazi ideology

    The alt-right has as much to do with Nazi ideology as the cuck-right has to do with anarcho-capitalism.

    Let’s not have guilt by association, but the connection is more than a nothing burger. It has long been understood that the right bifurcates into a laissez-faire and nationalist wing. Anarcho-capitalism and Naziism are the end points of the two trends.

    [The notion that the Nazi-saluters are just demonstrating intransigence fails to explain why the Nazi position is the intransigent position within the nationalist right.]

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    • Replies: @Wally
    What is this "Nazi position" that you wish for?

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?
    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress?
    Who owns the White House?
    Who dominates the US Supreme Court?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who runs the music business?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions?
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?
     
    , @Cagey Beast
    [The notion that the Nazi-saluters are just demonstrating intransigence fails to explain why the Nazi position is the intransigent position within the nationalist right.]

    Because our thoroughly corrupted, charmless, hostile and intellectually decrepit governing class uses the National Socialist regime of Germany as one of their key claims to legitimacy. It is the bogeyman dragged out to justify almost everything from globalism to an increase in the price of coffee. They've been crying wolf about the Nazi menace since the '70s at least.
  25. Wally says: • Website

    Well, there are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    [MORE]

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?

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  26. Wally says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    It would be funny to see Spencer's kneecaps get shattered by some angry old bat wielding burly Jewish guys.
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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nazis aren't defenseless women and children. They're heavily armed terrorists and militants.
  27. Wally says: • Website
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    American immigration patriotism has absolutely nothing to do with Nazi ideology
     
    The alt-right has as much to do with Nazi ideology as the cuck-right has to do with anarcho-capitalism.

    Let's not have guilt by association, but the connection is more than a nothing burger. It has long been understood that the right bifurcates into a laissez-faire and nationalist wing. Anarcho-capitalism and Naziism are the end points of the two trends.

    [The notion that the Nazi-saluters are just demonstrating intransigence fails to explain why the Nazi position is the intransigent position within the nationalist right.]

    What is this “Nazi position” that you wish for?

    [MORE]

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?
    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress?
    Who owns the White House?
    Who dominates the US Supreme Court?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who runs the music business?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions?
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?

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  28. Wally says: • Website
    @Avery
    {Oh, please, leftist slime. Do bring your baseball bats to the gun fight}

    What does the 'left' have to do with this?

    About 16 million Americans served during WW2 to defeat Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.
    Left, Right, middle of the road,.....red, white and blue Americans.

    There are still ~855,000 WW2 vets alive.
    Aside from being stupid, those confused individuals at NPI, including Spencer, insult American vets who fought and were KIA and WIA fighting Nazis - by giving the Nazi salute on American soil.

    Really despicable.
    Un-American.
    Anti-American.

    And the US forced Japanese-Americans into concentration camps, the US even had the Japanese in So. America moved and forced into US concentration camps.

    The US & the stupid “vets” deserve to be insulted for their complicity.

    Look at a map of the world at the time, which Imperial powers actually ruled the world? Not the Germans, Italians, or Japanese.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {Look at a map of the world at the time,...}

    I did: here you go.

    [German conquests by 1942]
    http://reader17.docslide.us/store17/image/092016/56649ebd5503460f94bc682c.png

    [Japanese Empire]
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_Empire_-_1942.svg


    {The US & the stupid “vets” deserve to be insulted......}

    Do you keep your Nazi uniform clean and your jackboots polished, just in case? You know the German saying , right? "We won WW1, we won WW2, and we will win WW3 too".

    And yeah, Japanese-Americans were illegally and unfairly sent to concentration camps. But it was a concentration camp. Not a death camp that your Nazi ancestors ran. No Japanese-Americans were murdered in Manzanar.

    [Waiting for lunch outside mess hall]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzanar#/media/File:Mess_Hall_Line.jpg

    Your Nazi ancestors murdered 10s of millions of civilians.


    And you most definitely should put on your Nazi SS uniform, polish your jackboots, go to a local bar where American vets hang out and insult them.

  29. Cagey Beast says: • Website

    I’m glad Unz.com is running this story. I liked Spencer’s speech, for the most part, but flinched at the Nazi-themed ending. One doesn’t have to be brain-washed, gaslighted or “socialized by the media” to think the Nazi stuff should stay back in the first half of the last century. Even so, Spencer did much more good than harm with this NPI conference and all the media tizzy surrounding it.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    I somewhat disagree. This was not the first time I witnessed Richard Spencer underperform and choke when the stakes were really high. He does not seem to be a 'closer,' as Donald Trump likes to say.

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon's protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement, and there was virtually no pushback from Richard Spencer against this attempted intrusion.

    Even Andrew Anglin of Daily Stormer infamy played a more constructive role in that battle than Mr. Spencer:


    I also wanted to thank Mr. Johnson for stepping up to the plate in the last several weeks and showing true leadership when it was most needed in the Alt Right, namely during the entire Milo-Gate affair.

    Mr. Johnson’s appearance on Fash the Nation Week 58 and his discussion with Vox Day on Alt West vs. Alt Right were crucial in protecting the integrity of the Alt Right, in my opinion.

    High-level representatives of both the Alt West and the Alt Right peacefully coming together, calmed the waters and prevented animosities, caused by Milo Yiannopoulos’ irresponsible and conniving behavior, to spiral out of control.

    Much respect and gratitude to Mr. Day and Mr. Johnson for this important diplomatic effort to keep the two most important factions of the Dissident Right on friendly terms.

    I also want to give credit to Andrew Anglin for countering Milo Yiannopoulos’ intrusion into and attempted co-option of the Alt Right movement. Even though, I don’t fully agree with all of Andrew’s methods, the harsh language and imagery he uses in his propaganda efforts, and his hypervigilance, I personally feel, that he and the Daily Stormer are a net-positive for the Alt Right movement, and I appreciate his efforts and highly respect and honor his personal sacrifices in the defense of White and Western Civilization.

    Thank you, again, to everybody. This is a team/group effort.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/10/what-the-alt-right-isnt/#comment-1369666

    I personally like Mr. Spencer. He is charming and well spoken, etc., but, in my opinion, he does lack some essential and necessary leadership qualities and skills, at the moment.

    I believe he can develop these qualities and skills, but he needs to do some serious soul-searching and self-reflection first, in order to 'up his game.'

    This is the Big Leagues with the Big Boys, now. He needs to bring his A game!

    True, but they hold almost all cultural power & vast political power, whereas we have nothing but truth & credibility. Spencer harmed us.
     
    - https://twitter.com/NewRightAmerica/status/801192488484491264
  30. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    American immigration patriotism has absolutely nothing to do with Nazi ideology
     
    The alt-right has as much to do with Nazi ideology as the cuck-right has to do with anarcho-capitalism.

    Let's not have guilt by association, but the connection is more than a nothing burger. It has long been understood that the right bifurcates into a laissez-faire and nationalist wing. Anarcho-capitalism and Naziism are the end points of the two trends.

    [The notion that the Nazi-saluters are just demonstrating intransigence fails to explain why the Nazi position is the intransigent position within the nationalist right.]

    [The notion that the Nazi-saluters are just demonstrating intransigence fails to explain why the Nazi position is the intransigent position within the nationalist right.]

    Because our thoroughly corrupted, charmless, hostile and intellectually decrepit governing class uses the National Socialist regime of Germany as one of their key claims to legitimacy. It is the bogeyman dragged out to justify almost everything from globalism to an increase in the price of coffee. They’ve been crying wolf about the Nazi menace since the ’70s at least.

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  31. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Racist Jewish supremacists / Zionists only attack defenseless women & children.

    Dr. Tony Martin - The Jewish Role in the African Slave Trade
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7I75Q_-zA

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/jews--the-slave-trade.html

    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/6585841.jpg?296
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/8785931.jpg?277
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/3328022_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/892816_orig.jpg
    http://wethoughttheywerewhite.weebly.com/uploads/5/3/4/9/53499197/1507471.jpg?717

    Nazis aren’t defenseless women and children. They’re heavily armed terrorists and militants.

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  32. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast
    I'm glad Unz.com is running this story. I liked Spencer's speech, for the most part, but flinched at the Nazi-themed ending. One doesn't have to be brain-washed, gaslighted or "socialized by the media" to think the Nazi stuff should stay back in the first half of the last century. Even so, Spencer did much more good than harm with this NPI conference and all the media tizzy surrounding it.

    I somewhat disagree. This was not the first time I witnessed Richard Spencer underperform and choke when the stakes were really high. He does not seem to be a ‘closer,’ as Donald Trump likes to say.

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon’s protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement, and there was virtually no pushback from Richard Spencer against this attempted intrusion.

    Even Andrew Anglin of Daily Stormer infamy played a more constructive role in that battle than Mr. Spencer:

    I also wanted to thank Mr. Johnson for stepping up to the plate in the last several weeks and showing true leadership when it was most needed in the Alt Right, namely during the entire Milo-Gate affair.

    Mr. Johnson’s appearance on Fash the Nation Week 58 and his discussion with Vox Day on Alt West vs. Alt Right were crucial in protecting the integrity of the Alt Right, in my opinion.

    High-level representatives of both the Alt West and the Alt Right peacefully coming together, calmed the waters and prevented animosities, caused by Milo Yiannopoulos’ irresponsible and conniving behavior, to spiral out of control.

    Much respect and gratitude to Mr. Day and Mr. Johnson for this important diplomatic effort to keep the two most important factions of the Dissident Right on friendly terms.

    I also want to give credit to Andrew Anglin for countering Milo Yiannopoulos’ intrusion into and attempted co-option of the Alt Right movement. Even though, I don’t fully agree with all of Andrew’s methods, the harsh language and imagery he uses in his propaganda efforts, and his hypervigilance, I personally feel, that he and the Daily Stormer are a net-positive for the Alt Right movement, and I appreciate his efforts and highly respect and honor his personal sacrifices in the defense of White and Western Civilization.

    Thank you, again, to everybody. This is a team/group effort.

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/10/what-the-alt-right-isnt/#comment-1369666

    I personally like Mr. Spencer. He is charming and well spoken, etc., but, in my opinion, he does lack some essential and necessary leadership qualities and skills, at the moment.

    I believe he can develop these qualities and skills, but he needs to do some serious soul-searching and self-reflection first, in order to ‘up his game.’

    This is the Big Leagues with the Big Boys, now. He needs to bring his A game!

    True, but they hold almost all cultural power & vast political power, whereas we have nothing but truth & credibility. Spencer harmed us.

    https://twitter.com/NewRightAmerica/status/801192488484491264

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I don't like ironic or un-ironic Nazi salutes at political meetings but this incident is so straightforward that it doesn't really require all this meticulous nit-picking. It is what it is.
    , @FKA Max

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon’s protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement,
     
    Steve Bannon was asked about the NPI Hailgate scandal:

    Steve Bannon talks Richmond roots, says Trump will condemn all forms of racism

    http://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/article_0f87d838-4aaa-5e4f-b717-6a342a00b89c.html


    The fears of those who think racist groups have been energized by Trump’s hard-line campaign stances against immigrants and Muslim refugees were heightened last weekend when the National Policy Institute, led by alt-right figure Richard Spencer, held a gathering in Washington that included Nazi salutes and shouts of “Hail Trump!”

    In a Breitbart post titled “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right,” written by openly gay right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, Spencer was included in a rundown of “dangerously bright” alt-right intellectuals.

    When asked about the scenes from the alt-right conference, Bannon said he does not follow Spencer’s group and does not know much about it.

    Breitbart’s mission, he said, calls for “more voices, not less,” with no single line of thought dominating the site. Race-based nationalism, he said, is a “non-starter.”

    “I don’t think it stands the test of logic, and there is no future for that, really, in America,” Bannon said.
     

    The article gives further clues as to why Mr. Bannon was probably in favor of the Betsy DeVos appointment as Secretary of Education and why he likely supports her school voucher advocacy:

    The close-knit Catholic family revered President John F. Kennedy, and Bannon remembers his mother being fascinated by the political rise of former Virginia Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, another Ginter Park resident who became the first African-American to be elected governor of any state.

    During the white flight of the 1960s and 1970s, Bannon said, his parents were “adamant” about staying in the city rather than moving to the suburbs as the neighborhood became racially integrated, a decision made easier by the availability of private Catholic schools.
     


    Vouchers Provide Much Needed Infusion of Students to Catholic Schools
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1661444

    I did some more reading and research on Betsy DeVos to better understand her faith and beliefs, because she did not strike me as a traditional Protestant [...] I wonder what John Calvin would make of Abraham Kuyper’s and Betsy DeVos’ pro-Papacy politics and philosophy/theology? [...] It almost appears that Neo-Calvinism is to Calvinism, what Neo-Conservatism is to Conservatism.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1662808

    This is what Michelle Malkin tweeted about the DeVos appointment:

    Michelle Malkin Verified account
    ‏@michellemalkin

    Michelle Malkin Retweeted Jeb Bush

    Grass-roots education activists on right & left distrust DeVos.
    This doesn’t help==> Jeb Bush Verified account
    ‏@JebBush

    Betsy DeVos is an outstanding pick for Secretary of Education. I look forward to her bold leadership at the USDOE.

    – https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/801562255443841027

    Jeb Bush’s conversion to Roman Catholicism is a perfect example of what Conservatism Inc. is really about

    – http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624652
     

    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663141
    , @FKA Max
    “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory”

    Outstanding analysis of 'Hailgate' by Greg Johnson:

    The Alt Right:
    Obituary for a Brand?

    It is ironic — or maybe just sadly fitting — that Richard Spencer, the man who launched the Alternative Right brand, may have just destroyed it. [...]

    Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right. Instead, I wish to comment on the consequences of this affair and how we should respond to it. [...]

    Spencer really had one job: not to embarrass us or Trump, and he blew it. Now there is zero chance of any proposal coming from NPI being taken seriously. [...]

    Vox Day does not think Spencer is controlled opposition but that he nevertheless behaved in a self-aggrandizing manner and made a serious public relations error. [...]

    Please don’t tell me that Spencer’s critics are all simply trying to make friends with an implacably hostile press. First, our concern is obviously not persuading our enemies but reaching people who are sympathetic or neutral. Second, if the press is implacably hostile, why is Spencer so focused on courting it?
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/the-alt-right-obituary-for-a-brand/
  33. Avery says:
    @Wally
    And the US forced Japanese-Americans into concentration camps, the US even had the Japanese in So. America moved and forced into US concentration camps.

    The US & the stupid "vets" deserve to be insulted for their complicity.

    Look at a map of the world at the time, which Imperial powers actually ruled the world? Not the Germans, Italians, or Japanese.

    {Look at a map of the world at the time,…}

    I did: here you go.

    [German conquests by 1942]
    [Japanese Empire]

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_Empire_-_1942.svg

    {The US & the stupid “vets” deserve to be insulted……}

    Do you keep your Nazi uniform clean and your jackboots polished, just in case? You know the German saying , right? “We won WW1, we won WW2, and we will win WW3 too”.

    And yeah, Japanese-Americans were illegally and unfairly sent to concentration camps. But it was a concentration camp. Not a death camp that your Nazi ancestors ran. No Japanese-Americans were murdered in Manzanar.

    [Waiting for lunch outside mess hall]
    Your Nazi ancestors murdered 10s of millions of civilians.

    And you most definitely should put on your Nazi SS uniform, polish your jackboots, go to a local bar where American vets hang out and insult them.

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    • Replies: @Delinquent Snail
    Sidenote: the british started fire bombing civilian targets first. The Allies killed just as many civilians. The only difference is that we won the war so its not looked at as a negative, if its even looked at.

    Isnt history fun?
  34. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    I somewhat disagree. This was not the first time I witnessed Richard Spencer underperform and choke when the stakes were really high. He does not seem to be a 'closer,' as Donald Trump likes to say.

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon's protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement, and there was virtually no pushback from Richard Spencer against this attempted intrusion.

    Even Andrew Anglin of Daily Stormer infamy played a more constructive role in that battle than Mr. Spencer:


    I also wanted to thank Mr. Johnson for stepping up to the plate in the last several weeks and showing true leadership when it was most needed in the Alt Right, namely during the entire Milo-Gate affair.

    Mr. Johnson’s appearance on Fash the Nation Week 58 and his discussion with Vox Day on Alt West vs. Alt Right were crucial in protecting the integrity of the Alt Right, in my opinion.

    High-level representatives of both the Alt West and the Alt Right peacefully coming together, calmed the waters and prevented animosities, caused by Milo Yiannopoulos’ irresponsible and conniving behavior, to spiral out of control.

    Much respect and gratitude to Mr. Day and Mr. Johnson for this important diplomatic effort to keep the two most important factions of the Dissident Right on friendly terms.

    I also want to give credit to Andrew Anglin for countering Milo Yiannopoulos’ intrusion into and attempted co-option of the Alt Right movement. Even though, I don’t fully agree with all of Andrew’s methods, the harsh language and imagery he uses in his propaganda efforts, and his hypervigilance, I personally feel, that he and the Daily Stormer are a net-positive for the Alt Right movement, and I appreciate his efforts and highly respect and honor his personal sacrifices in the defense of White and Western Civilization.

    Thank you, again, to everybody. This is a team/group effort.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/10/what-the-alt-right-isnt/#comment-1369666

    I personally like Mr. Spencer. He is charming and well spoken, etc., but, in my opinion, he does lack some essential and necessary leadership qualities and skills, at the moment.

    I believe he can develop these qualities and skills, but he needs to do some serious soul-searching and self-reflection first, in order to 'up his game.'

    This is the Big Leagues with the Big Boys, now. He needs to bring his A game!

    True, but they hold almost all cultural power & vast political power, whereas we have nothing but truth & credibility. Spencer harmed us.
     
    - https://twitter.com/NewRightAmerica/status/801192488484491264

    I don’t like ironic or un-ironic Nazi salutes at political meetings but this incident is so straightforward that it doesn’t really require all this meticulous nit-picking. It is what it is.

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    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    Alt-Right sour grapes: They're going to call you a Nazi anyway.
  35. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    Richard Spencer, whom I know, is the equivalent on the racial right, of pussy riot on the loony left.

    His ego is on parade and I have started a call on the racial right to repudiate him and his juvenile antics, and to go on to a denazification program.

    White Nationalism is now a diseased term, thanks to Spencer. There is also even a kind of pink nazism in him. Various notables who spoke at the NPI event have repudiated him. Jared Taylor has personally broken with him, totally.

    How about White Internationalism as a replacement term?

    Joe Webb

    Spencer is a National Socialist. We need National Socialism, and we need it now. If you can’t handle it, buzz off.

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    • Replies: @joe webb
    aaaah so. this explains why you are so nutty. JW
  36. Does anyone else ever feel like Dr. Strangelove when legitimately excited in political/sports environments? I just feel that right arm wanting to shoot out and up. It’s not a Nazi thing. I’m sure it’d be the most common body-builder flex pose if the Nazis hadn’t ruined it.

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  37. annamaria says:

    Here is a perfect sample of MSM production, “How Russia Pulled Off the Biggest Election Hack in U.S. History,” by Thomas Rid, a professor in Security Studies at King’s College London and a former fellow at the RAND Corporation in Washington: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49791/russian-dnc-emails-hacked/

    In this paper Mr. Rid shows tender care for Mrs. Nuland-Kagan, a poor shrinking violet caught on selecting a new president of Ukraine, Mr. Yatsenyuk. The latter gentleman had since left his post – with an approval rating of 2%. Mr. Rid cannot hide his indignation by pointing out on how the Russians, allegedly, revealed the poor “victim” bad-mouthing of the EU (“F–k EU”). (Mrs. Nuland-Kagan belongs to the powerful Kagans’ clan of armchair warmongers).
    Mr. Rid is also puzzled why Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the DNC chair, was punished at all. Care not about Bernie! (Sanders had a good chance to bring Democrats to power). All that Mr. Rid was able to detect in Bernie affair was the too much light on the dark flowers of the DNC; Mr. Rid is indignant with the light (the alleged courtesy of Putin) and not with the rot in the DNC.
    Overall, the paper is remarkable by its spirit of loyalty to the ruling plutocracy. To emphasize his loyalty, Mr. Rid attacks Julian Assange with rather indecent eagerness. And it is goes without saying that Mr. Rid would never ever question this: “THE UK IS ABOUT TO WIELD UNPRECEDENTED SURVEILLANCE POWERS — HERE’S WHAT IT MEANS” http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance-laws-explained-investigatory-powers-bill
    The paper reminds of the writings by Mr. Higgins (of Bellingcat fame), who is Mr. Rid colleague at King’s College London.

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  38. @epochehusserl
    I agree with you that spencer could have used better discretion. He doesnt think on the fly.

    I quite like Spencer and his work. He represents a middle ground or blending of the VDare/Amren crowd and the edgier TRS/Daily Stormer camp.

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  39. @Cagey Beast
    I don't like ironic or un-ironic Nazi salutes at political meetings but this incident is so straightforward that it doesn't really require all this meticulous nit-picking. It is what it is.

    Alt-Right sour grapes: They’re going to call you a Nazi anyway.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    For me, it's the TRS crowd who come out the worst in all this. If you listen to their latest, special episode podcast on this it becomes obvious they can't understand Nazis really existed outside the media narrative. Obviously they'd answer "yes" if asked directly if National Socialist Germany existed (1933-1945) but the rest of the time they'd act as if the Nazis were as real or unreal -- as much a take it or leave it kind of thing -- as Klingons or Romulans. When asked on Twitter to make a distinction between Hollywood Nazis and historical Nazis, they start swearing. In short, they're really not that bright.

    These are 3rd generation TV babies and probably 2nd generation puppy-mill daycare centre alumni. For them, Hitler and the Nazis are just some badasses they saw on a screen; like Voldemort or the Klingons. TRS and Anglin are really just troll wranglers and shouldn't be asked to do anything more than that.
  40. @5371
    I blame Tarantino and his "bear Jew". Many of the fat and prematurely balding suddenly felt themselves enormously tough.

    “You get that for killing Jews?”
    “Bravery.”

    One of his best scenes ever.

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  41. @Avery
    {Look at a map of the world at the time,...}

    I did: here you go.

    [German conquests by 1942]
    http://reader17.docslide.us/store17/image/092016/56649ebd5503460f94bc682c.png

    [Japanese Empire]
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_Empire_-_1942.svg


    {The US & the stupid “vets” deserve to be insulted......}

    Do you keep your Nazi uniform clean and your jackboots polished, just in case? You know the German saying , right? "We won WW1, we won WW2, and we will win WW3 too".

    And yeah, Japanese-Americans were illegally and unfairly sent to concentration camps. But it was a concentration camp. Not a death camp that your Nazi ancestors ran. No Japanese-Americans were murdered in Manzanar.

    [Waiting for lunch outside mess hall]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzanar#/media/File:Mess_Hall_Line.jpg

    Your Nazi ancestors murdered 10s of millions of civilians.


    And you most definitely should put on your Nazi SS uniform, polish your jackboots, go to a local bar where American vets hang out and insult them.

    Sidenote: the british started fire bombing civilian targets first. The Allies killed just as many civilians. The only difference is that we won the war so its not looked at as a negative, if its even looked at.

    Isnt history fun?

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    • Replies: @Alden
    The allies killed more French people in bombings than the Germans killed during both the conquest and 4 years of occupation.

    Then there's Düsseldorf and Hamburg.

    But it was a long time ago. This obsession both for and against Nazi Germany is ridiculous, especially for Americans 2 generations removed.
  42. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @White Guy In Japan
    Alt-Right sour grapes: They're going to call you a Nazi anyway.

    For me, it’s the TRS crowd who come out the worst in all this. If you listen to their latest, special episode podcast on this it becomes obvious they can’t understand Nazis really existed outside the media narrative. Obviously they’d answer “yes” if asked directly if National Socialist Germany existed (1933-1945) but the rest of the time they’d act as if the Nazis were as real or unreal — as much a take it or leave it kind of thing — as Klingons or Romulans. When asked on Twitter to make a distinction between Hollywood Nazis and historical Nazis, they start swearing. In short, they’re really not that bright.

    These are 3rd generation TV babies and probably 2nd generation puppy-mill daycare centre alumni. For them, Hitler and the Nazis are just some badasses they saw on a screen; like Voldemort or the Klingons. TRS and Anglin are really just troll wranglers and shouldn’t be asked to do anything more than that.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max

    TRS and Anglin are really just troll wranglers and shouldn’t be asked to do anything more than that.
     
    Agreed.

    They are masters of trolling and triggering lying, elitist journalists in comment sections and on Twitter, et al., but beyond that they have very little utility and few other talents.

    1488 is the Gateway Drug to the Alt-Right, not the Other Way Round

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/04/1488-is-the-gateway-drug-to-the-alt-right-not-the-other-way-round/

    Understanding this distinction will also help the leaders of the Alt-Right behave more correctly, as sometimes the hard work done by the intellectual wing of the Alt-Right can be damaged by lapsing back into LARPier territory. Rather than give actual examples, of which I am aware of several, imagine if the greatly respected Dr. Kevin MacDonald, no longer satisfied with just being called a “Nazi” by groups like the SPLC, was caught on camera sieg heiling and shouting “Race war now! Gas the Kikes!”

    That would be a riot, and of course some would praise it as a forceful “rejection of Leftist moral framing,” etc. But would it be effective? The obvious answer is no. Indeed, it would be highly destructive, as his lifetime’s work would be easier to dismiss as the work of a “Neo-Nazi nut job.” So, ponder this hypothetical example next time you are unclear about these two aspects of the Alt-Right and how they interrelate.
     

    So, does this mean that the 1488, shitposty, memey side of the Alt-Right should just curl up and die? No, far from it!

    Because of the way in which the mainstream media is skewed in favor of hegemonic Liberalism, we need to have skilled skrimishers and asymmetrical warriors, even if they are obsessive, unwashed autistes in basements, who spend more time online than is healthy for them. It might even help for them to think they are the cutting edge and center of our movement as they find new ways to trigger the normies and push them in our general direction – as long as those really at the center of our movement don’t get too carried away and make the same mistake.
     
    , @White Guy In Japan
    Must disagree here. The TRS crowd are great trolls and there's nothing wrong with that. They, like the hippies before them, are mocking a culture they dislike and slowly creating a new culture.
    Fun and exciting to watch.
  43. Bill says:
    @MLK
    The Good Guys (and Girls) need to get serious. The Good Guys being those who genuinely wanted Trump to win the election and make progress on American renewal.

    Consider a simple question. Is there anyone not insane that thinks the Democrats were lucky this year? Yet all year long they seemingly kept drawing royal straight flushes from antics by David Duke and other assorted KKK/Neo-Nazis/White Supremacists, who all purported to be thrilled by the prospect of a President Trump?

    "...Richard Spencer’s misjudged conclusion to his NPI conference keynote speech, “Hail Trump, Hail our People, Hail Victory,” and a few of his more juvenile supporters’ Roman salute in response..."
     
    Misjudged?! Juvenile?! How about his holding this conference in Washington DC just weeks into the transition period?

    Objectively, Spencer aided not just those who seek to strangle a Trump presidency in its crib, but the predicate for progress on Immigration Moratorium/Restriction, Trade etc... in the form of key appointments in the new administration.

    Regardless of what you think of White Nationalism -- and I am disinterested, except insofar as I consider it a wholly unhelpful reaction to Identity Politics, you're a fool if you do not now question the motives, objectives, and true loyalties of Richard Spencer.

    Indeed, the OP says:

    Moreover, despite Richard Spencer’s knack for obtaining press coverage, he is a ruthlessly marginalized figure.

    Richard Spencer’s “knack for obtaining press coverage.” What that means is that the press chooses to hold up Richard Spencer as the leader of the alt right. Richard Spencer’s “knack” is in providing the lugenpresse what it wants.

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    No, you are falling into the same trap the TRS, troll army types are in, you just fell into it coming from the opposite direction. You too think the media is the arbiter of what's real and what isn't. You think Richard Spencer is only as real as the media says he is in the same way the lowbrow gang at TRS think the Nazis aren't really real because the media keeps insisting they are.

    We've all been living in such a media-driven, media-saturated, media-mediated society that many find it nearly impossible to imagine Spencer, Trump and even the historical Nazis exist or existed without the media's permission or active support.

    https://twitter.com/Pascal_Beuvelet/status/802624995516092416

  44. FKA Max says:
    @Cagey Beast
    For me, it's the TRS crowd who come out the worst in all this. If you listen to their latest, special episode podcast on this it becomes obvious they can't understand Nazis really existed outside the media narrative. Obviously they'd answer "yes" if asked directly if National Socialist Germany existed (1933-1945) but the rest of the time they'd act as if the Nazis were as real or unreal -- as much a take it or leave it kind of thing -- as Klingons or Romulans. When asked on Twitter to make a distinction between Hollywood Nazis and historical Nazis, they start swearing. In short, they're really not that bright.

    These are 3rd generation TV babies and probably 2nd generation puppy-mill daycare centre alumni. For them, Hitler and the Nazis are just some badasses they saw on a screen; like Voldemort or the Klingons. TRS and Anglin are really just troll wranglers and shouldn't be asked to do anything more than that.

    TRS and Anglin are really just troll wranglers and shouldn’t be asked to do anything more than that.

    Agreed.

    They are masters of trolling and triggering lying, elitist journalists in comment sections and on Twitter, et al., but beyond that they have very little utility and few other talents.

    1488 is the Gateway Drug to the Alt-Right, not the Other Way Round

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/04/1488-is-the-gateway-drug-to-the-alt-right-not-the-other-way-round/

    [MORE]

    Understanding this distinction will also help the leaders of the Alt-Right behave more correctly, as sometimes the hard work done by the intellectual wing of the Alt-Right can be damaged by lapsing back into LARPier territory. Rather than give actual examples, of which I am aware of several, imagine if the greatly respected Dr. Kevin MacDonald, no longer satisfied with just being called a “Nazi” by groups like the SPLC, was caught on camera sieg heiling and shouting “Race war now! Gas the Kikes!”

    That would be a riot, and of course some would praise it as a forceful “rejection of Leftist moral framing,” etc. But would it be effective? The obvious answer is no. Indeed, it would be highly destructive, as his lifetime’s work would be easier to dismiss as the work of a “Neo-Nazi nut job.” So, ponder this hypothetical example next time you are unclear about these two aspects of the Alt-Right and how they interrelate.

    So, does this mean that the 1488, shitposty, memey side of the Alt-Right should just curl up and die? No, far from it!

    Because of the way in which the mainstream media is skewed in favor of hegemonic Liberalism, we need to have skilled skrimishers and asymmetrical warriors, even if they are obsessive, unwashed autistes in basements, who spend more time online than is healthy for them. It might even help for them to think they are the cutting edge and center of our movement as they find new ways to trigger the normies and push them in our general direction – as long as those really at the center of our movement don’t get too carried away and make the same mistake.

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  45. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @Bill
    Indeed, the OP says:

    Moreover, despite Richard Spencer’s knack for obtaining press coverage, he is a ruthlessly marginalized figure.
     
    Richard Spencer's "knack for obtaining press coverage." What that means is that the press chooses to hold up Richard Spencer as the leader of the alt right. Richard Spencer's "knack" is in providing the lugenpresse what it wants.

    No, you are falling into the same trap the TRS, troll army types are in, you just fell into it coming from the opposite direction. You too think the media is the arbiter of what’s real and what isn’t. You think Richard Spencer is only as real as the media says he is in the same way the lowbrow gang at TRS think the Nazis aren’t really real because the media keeps insisting they are.

    We’ve all been living in such a media-driven, media-saturated, media-mediated society that many find it nearly impossible to imagine Spencer, Trump and even the historical Nazis exist or existed without the media’s permission or active support.

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    Uh, no. The media are hirelings. The idea that they are in any way primary is retarded. The recursion continues off to the upper right of the picture in that tweet.
  46. joe webb says:
    @Anonymous
    Spencer is a National Socialist. We need National Socialism, and we need it now. If you can't handle it, buzz off.

    aaaah so. this explains why you are so nutty. JW

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You're an ex-commie. Once a commie, always a commie. We are National Socialists, and we will deal with you commies and ex-commies. Remember - better dead than red. No exceptions.
  47. jack ryan says: • Website

    Using really any National Socialist words “lugenpresse” or salutes, hails – it brings problems and it’s pointless to whine that the Lib/Lugenpresse media isn’t being fair.

    When any Conservative or race realist meeting, organization allows NS, NAZI things it attracts a bad crowd:

    1) Loons who fit the Hollywood script of loner, hater Nazis.
    2) Sexual degenerates who like to dress up in Nazi leathers
    3) Plants from the FBI, ADL, SPLC who act the worst Nazi way to discredit the Alt Right.

    The leader of the 1970s Chicago NAZI movement – Frank Colin was a homosexual, Jewish pedophile.

    It’s really hard to make NAZI stuff work well in the USA.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    I agree, swastikas are counter-productive. If this were a battalion, Capt Spencer would have gone to see the Colonel, where he would be informed that Lt Spencer shall be taking command of the kit shop.

    The correct meme is God-Emperor Trump, anyway. Esoteric, and way more bad-ass.
  48. @Cagey Beast
    For me, it's the TRS crowd who come out the worst in all this. If you listen to their latest, special episode podcast on this it becomes obvious they can't understand Nazis really existed outside the media narrative. Obviously they'd answer "yes" if asked directly if National Socialist Germany existed (1933-1945) but the rest of the time they'd act as if the Nazis were as real or unreal -- as much a take it or leave it kind of thing -- as Klingons or Romulans. When asked on Twitter to make a distinction between Hollywood Nazis and historical Nazis, they start swearing. In short, they're really not that bright.

    These are 3rd generation TV babies and probably 2nd generation puppy-mill daycare centre alumni. For them, Hitler and the Nazis are just some badasses they saw on a screen; like Voldemort or the Klingons. TRS and Anglin are really just troll wranglers and shouldn't be asked to do anything more than that.

    Must disagree here. The TRS crowd are great trolls and there’s nothing wrong with that. They, like the hippies before them, are mocking a culture they dislike and slowly creating a new culture.
    Fun and exciting to watch.

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    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Have you ever tried talking to them? They're fun to watch from the distance but if you interact with them online you quickly realize their limitations.

    They were useful for throwing metaphorical firecrackers and smoke bombs at the media online -- to cause confusion and provide cover for Trump during the election -- but what about going forward? Being obnoxious and kind of stupid helps in the trolling game but not as much in the rest of politics.

  49. BenKenobi says:
    @jack ryan
    Using really any National Socialist words "lugenpresse" or salutes, hails - it brings problems and it's pointless to whine that the Lib/Lugenpresse media isn't being fair.

    When any Conservative or race realist meeting, organization allows NS, NAZI things it attracts a bad crowd:

    1) Loons who fit the Hollywood script of loner, hater Nazis.
    2) Sexual degenerates who like to dress up in Nazi leathers
    3) Plants from the FBI, ADL, SPLC who act the worst Nazi way to discredit the Alt Right.

    The leader of the 1970s Chicago NAZI movement - Frank Colin was a homosexual, Jewish pedophile.

    It's really hard to make NAZI stuff work well in the USA.

    I agree, swastikas are counter-productive. If this were a battalion, Capt Spencer would have gone to see the Colonel, where he would be informed that Lt Spencer shall be taking command of the kit shop.

    The correct meme is God-Emperor Trump, anyway. Esoteric, and way more bad-ass.

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  50. Cagey Beast says: • Website
    @White Guy In Japan
    Must disagree here. The TRS crowd are great trolls and there's nothing wrong with that. They, like the hippies before them, are mocking a culture they dislike and slowly creating a new culture.
    Fun and exciting to watch.

    Have you ever tried talking to them? They’re fun to watch from the distance but if you interact with them online you quickly realize their limitations.

    They were useful for throwing metaphorical firecrackers and smoke bombs at the media online — to cause confusion and provide cover for Trump during the election — but what about going forward? Being obnoxious and kind of stupid helps in the trolling game but not as much in the rest of politics.

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    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    Maybe they are laying the road for others. I see your point, though.

    I like the uh diversity of the AR. Nice bunch of new ideas and plenty of stimulating reading material.
  51. @Cagey Beast
    Have you ever tried talking to them? They're fun to watch from the distance but if you interact with them online you quickly realize their limitations.

    They were useful for throwing metaphorical firecrackers and smoke bombs at the media online -- to cause confusion and provide cover for Trump during the election -- but what about going forward? Being obnoxious and kind of stupid helps in the trolling game but not as much in the rest of politics.

    Maybe they are laying the road for others. I see your point, though.

    I like the uh diversity of the AR. Nice bunch of new ideas and plenty of stimulating reading material.

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  52. Alden says:
    @Delinquent Snail
    Sidenote: the british started fire bombing civilian targets first. The Allies killed just as many civilians. The only difference is that we won the war so its not looked at as a negative, if its even looked at.

    Isnt history fun?

    The allies killed more French people in bombings than the Germans killed during both the conquest and 4 years of occupation.

    Then there’s Düsseldorf and Hamburg.

    But it was a long time ago. This obsession both for and against Nazi Germany is ridiculous, especially for Americans 2 generations removed.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {The allies killed more French people in bombings than the Germans killed during both the conquest and 4 years of occupation}

    Yes, because French cooperated with the Nazi occupiers, except for the Resistance. Germans had neither the desire nor plans to exterminate French civilians. Régime de Vichy ring a bell?
    But when the allies, including very French General De de Gaulle's Free French forces, were trying to dislodge the very capable, very determined Nazi occupiers - yeah, French civilians were killed as an indirect result: war is Hell.

    Now then, how many Polish civilians did Nazi invaders murder?
    How may Slavs did Nazi invaders murder in East Europe and USSR?

    {Then there’s Düsseldorf and Hamburg.}

    Yes, there is.
    How many German civilians did US and British AF murder?
    100K max?

    Then there is the Siege of Stalingrad, for example.
    About 1 million civilians murdered by Nazi invaders at Stalingrad alone.

    {This obsession .....especially for Americans 2 generations removed.}

    There is a lot of 'obsession' for Americans about the Civil War, the South, the Stars & Bars, ...... How many generations would you say it is removed? Part of American history: same as WW2.

  53. Alden says:

    Mexico has a pledge of allegiance. They raise their right arm in a Roman salute when reciting it.

    But somehow Jews don’t go insane about it.

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  54. Avery says:
    @Alden
    The allies killed more French people in bombings than the Germans killed during both the conquest and 4 years of occupation.

    Then there's Düsseldorf and Hamburg.

    But it was a long time ago. This obsession both for and against Nazi Germany is ridiculous, especially for Americans 2 generations removed.

    {The allies killed more French people in bombings than the Germans killed during both the conquest and 4 years of occupation}

    Yes, because French cooperated with the Nazi occupiers, except for the Resistance. Germans had neither the desire nor plans to exterminate French civilians. Régime de Vichy ring a bell?
    But when the allies, including very French General De de Gaulle’s Free French forces, were trying to dislodge the very capable, very determined Nazi occupiers – yeah, French civilians were killed as an indirect result: war is Hell.

    Now then, how many Polish civilians did Nazi invaders murder?
    How may Slavs did Nazi invaders murder in East Europe and USSR?

    {Then there’s Düsseldorf and Hamburg.}

    Yes, there is.
    How many German civilians did US and British AF murder?
    100K max?

    Then there is the Siege of Stalingrad, for example.
    About 1 million civilians murdered by Nazi invaders at Stalingrad alone.

    {This obsession …..especially for Americans 2 generations removed.}

    There is a lot of ‘obsession’ for Americans about the Civil War, the South, the Stars & Bars, …… How many generations would you say it is removed? Part of American history: same as WW2.

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  55. @Chuck Barnard

    These bastards have got to be sitting down to a bottle of single-malt, their phones and it’s Wings Away, Pegasus!
     
    Single malt? More like Captain Morgan Spiced Rum. These aren't men; they're ponces.

    Well, what can I say? I project my own habits in Scotch (Glendronach, supposedly 15 years old, but they’re fraudulent and persnickety folk, the lot of them). With merely a couple of fingers into a thin-walled crystal short glass, I enjoy the peat and a buzz of exquisite quality. What fuels the drunken ravings of others, I don’t know. At these prices, my own drunken ravings might as well come from Pabst Blue Ribbon, my Scottish father’s choice while the prime steaks on the grill were being touched up to a perfect medium rare, charcoal only. I had a lovely childhood, especially Sunday dinner.

    Not much of a drinker, my Pop, but he taught us to drink our bourbon and Scotch with ice, a splash or straight as it is only a faggot that ruins good booze with coke of ginger. Advice that has served me well with bar tenders the world over. Butchers and bar tenders appreciate a customer that knows what he’s talking about. I pity the drunks whose fathers didn’t teach them to properly appreciate their drinking.

    Wayward tee shots and career-killing comments, blurted out in a drunken fog, seldom allow redress with Scots, Trump being one of them, supposedly. After all, the Irish call it a Mulligan. The Scots call it three-off-the-tee. You have to pick your companions carefully, no?

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  56. Bill says:
    @Cagey Beast
    No, you are falling into the same trap the TRS, troll army types are in, you just fell into it coming from the opposite direction. You too think the media is the arbiter of what's real and what isn't. You think Richard Spencer is only as real as the media says he is in the same way the lowbrow gang at TRS think the Nazis aren't really real because the media keeps insisting they are.

    We've all been living in such a media-driven, media-saturated, media-mediated society that many find it nearly impossible to imagine Spencer, Trump and even the historical Nazis exist or existed without the media's permission or active support.

    https://twitter.com/Pascal_Beuvelet/status/802624995516092416

    Uh, no. The media are hirelings. The idea that they are in any way primary is retarded. The recursion continues off to the upper right of the picture in that tweet.

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  57. @joe webb
    Richard Spencer, whom I know, is the equivalent on the racial right, of pussy riot on the loony left.

    His ego is on parade and I have started a call on the racial right to repudiate him and his juvenile antics, and to go on to a denazification program.

    White Nationalism is now a diseased term, thanks to Spencer. There is also even a kind of pink nazism in him. Various notables who spoke at the NPI event have repudiated him. Jared Taylor has personally broken with him, totally.

    How about White Internationalism as a replacement term?

    Joe Webb

    “White Internationalism”

    Some of us think the ‘nationalism’ bit is more important than the ‘white’ bit.

    And ‘internationalism’ sounds a little open-borders-ish. Shudder.

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  58. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max
    I somewhat disagree. This was not the first time I witnessed Richard Spencer underperform and choke when the stakes were really high. He does not seem to be a 'closer,' as Donald Trump likes to say.

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon's protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement, and there was virtually no pushback from Richard Spencer against this attempted intrusion.

    Even Andrew Anglin of Daily Stormer infamy played a more constructive role in that battle than Mr. Spencer:


    I also wanted to thank Mr. Johnson for stepping up to the plate in the last several weeks and showing true leadership when it was most needed in the Alt Right, namely during the entire Milo-Gate affair.

    Mr. Johnson’s appearance on Fash the Nation Week 58 and his discussion with Vox Day on Alt West vs. Alt Right were crucial in protecting the integrity of the Alt Right, in my opinion.

    High-level representatives of both the Alt West and the Alt Right peacefully coming together, calmed the waters and prevented animosities, caused by Milo Yiannopoulos’ irresponsible and conniving behavior, to spiral out of control.

    Much respect and gratitude to Mr. Day and Mr. Johnson for this important diplomatic effort to keep the two most important factions of the Dissident Right on friendly terms.

    I also want to give credit to Andrew Anglin for countering Milo Yiannopoulos’ intrusion into and attempted co-option of the Alt Right movement. Even though, I don’t fully agree with all of Andrew’s methods, the harsh language and imagery he uses in his propaganda efforts, and his hypervigilance, I personally feel, that he and the Daily Stormer are a net-positive for the Alt Right movement, and I appreciate his efforts and highly respect and honor his personal sacrifices in the defense of White and Western Civilization.

    Thank you, again, to everybody. This is a team/group effort.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/10/what-the-alt-right-isnt/#comment-1369666

    I personally like Mr. Spencer. He is charming and well spoken, etc., but, in my opinion, he does lack some essential and necessary leadership qualities and skills, at the moment.

    I believe he can develop these qualities and skills, but he needs to do some serious soul-searching and self-reflection first, in order to 'up his game.'

    This is the Big Leagues with the Big Boys, now. He needs to bring his A game!

    True, but they hold almost all cultural power & vast political power, whereas we have nothing but truth & credibility. Spencer harmed us.
     
    - https://twitter.com/NewRightAmerica/status/801192488484491264

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon’s protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement,

    Steve Bannon was asked about the NPI Hailgate scandal:

    Steve Bannon talks Richmond roots, says Trump will condemn all forms of racism

    http://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/article_0f87d838-4aaa-5e4f-b717-6a342a00b89c.html

    The fears of those who think racist groups have been energized by Trump’s hard-line campaign stances against immigrants and Muslim refugees were heightened last weekend when the National Policy Institute, led by alt-right figure Richard Spencer, held a gathering in Washington that included Nazi salutes and shouts of “Hail Trump!”

    In a Breitbart post titled “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right,” written by openly gay right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, Spencer was included in a rundown of “dangerously bright” alt-right intellectuals.

    When asked about the scenes from the alt-right conference, Bannon said he does not follow Spencer’s group and does not know much about it.

    Breitbart’s mission, he said, calls for “more voices, not less,” with no single line of thought dominating the site. Race-based nationalism, he said, is a “non-starter.”

    “I don’t think it stands the test of logic, and there is no future for that, really, in America,” Bannon said.

    The article gives further clues as to why Mr. Bannon was probably in favor of the Betsy DeVos appointment as Secretary of Education and why he likely supports her school voucher advocacy:

    The close-knit Catholic family revered President John F. Kennedy, and Bannon remembers his mother being fascinated by the political rise of former Virginia Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, another Ginter Park resident who became the first African-American to be elected governor of any state.

    During the white flight of the 1960s and 1970s, Bannon said, his parents were “adamant” about staying in the city rather than moving to the suburbs as the neighborhood became racially integrated, a decision made easier by the availability of private Catholic schools.

    Vouchers Provide Much Needed Infusion of Students to Catholic Schools

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1661444

    I did some more reading and research on Betsy DeVos to better understand her faith and beliefs, because she did not strike me as a traditional Protestant [...] I wonder what John Calvin would make of Abraham Kuyper’s and Betsy DeVos’ pro-Papacy politics and philosophy/theology? [...] It almost appears that Neo-Calvinism is to Calvinism, what Neo-Conservatism is to Conservatism.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1662808

    This is what Michelle Malkin tweeted about the DeVos appointment:

    Michelle Malkin Verified account
    ‏@michellemalkin

    Michelle Malkin Retweeted Jeb Bush

    Grass-roots education activists on right & left distrust DeVos.
    This doesn’t help==> Jeb Bush Verified account
    ‏@JebBush

    Betsy DeVos is an outstanding pick for Secretary of Education. I look forward to her bold leadership at the USDOE.

    https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/801562255443841027

    Jeb Bush’s conversion to Roman Catholicism is a perfect example of what Conservatism Inc. is really about

    http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624652

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663141

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    The infiltration and invasion of the 'Alt Lite' (not the Alt Right) by the Zionist-Vatican alliance intensifies:
    An Honest Conversation About Blackwater | Erik Prince and Stefan Molyneux

    Published on Nov 28, 2016


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBTCVgZUuso


    Betsy DeVos is Eri[k] Prince’s elder sister…

    Trump vs. the REAL Nuts—the GOP/ “Uniparty” Establishment

    Without taking into account the Vatican element, one cannot fully understand the logic of Invade the World/Invite the World , in my opinion. [...]

    Erik Prince of Blackwater infamy is a convert to Roman Catholicism


    – http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1630050
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1661444


    These are the real fascists, not Richard Spencer and the Alt Right:

    Trump: We Wish the Problem Was Fascism
    But It’s Really Racism

    The simple fact, that Trump is Protestant, makes it highly unlikely, that he has fascist tendencies/leanings, since the great majority of fascist dictatorships were Catholic, with a few exceptions
     
    - http://www.unz.com/plee/trump-we-wish-the-problem-was-fascism/#comment-1618786

    The rise of far-right parties in Europe, caused by the ”refugee crisis”, etc., is not a bad thing for the Vatican [...]

    Most right-wing regimes kept strong ties with local Churches (usually the Roman Catholic ones since most of those regimes happened in Catholic countries).

     
    - http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1630654

    I feel this information is vital to understand, and so I decided to post it here again, so we can make sure that the Trump administration does not get infiltrated by the agents of the Zionist-Vatican alliance, like the Reagan administration was. [...]

    the U.S. Catholic bishops adopted a plan to build a political machine with the stated goal of passing a human rights amendment to the Constitution. This plan, which is represented by a printed document, describes the creation of the new right movement, including the Moral Majority. Within a period of only four years, almost the entire new right movement had been created.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/dawn-of-the-trumpening-jeff-sessions-for-attorney-general-steve-bannon-for-pope/#comment-1658259

    The Zionist-Vatican alliance wanted to get rid of the authentic Alt Right after their intrusion was repelled and their co-option failed, and Richard Spencer gave them a huge opening to do that with his 'Hail Victory' stunt at NPI...

    It is no coincidence, in my opinion, that the 'Alt Lite', e.g. Infowars, Paul Joseph Watson, et al. are calling themselves the 'New Right,' now.

    Infowars has tons of Vatican connections just like the Murdoch media empire:


    Rupert Murdoch’s Heat Street is attacking the Unz Review, Vdare.com and Mr. Sailer. [...]
    Coincidentally, I just wrote a comment about the Murdoch media empire a few days ago:

    There is probably no one who pushes the Zionist-Vatican alliance and agenda harder than the Murdoch media empire [...]

    Do you know what one of the first things was, Keith, that Tony Blair – one of Rupert Murdoch’s formerly closest allies, architect of the Iraq war, who opened UK borders wide to Third World immigration – did after he left 10 Downing Street (his wife was already Catholic)
    ? - http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1656181
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-long-election-stage-two/#comment-1659662


    This is a somewhat 'kooky' website, but he has been documenting Alex Jones' connection to the Vatican for years:

    What convinced me Jones is some kind of agent? 1. The info listed on this page. 2. The "Main Links" section to the left. 3. My knowledge of Jesuit/Vatican history and political intrigue which I have studied for almost 20 years now.

    Has Alex Jones been contacted about this info? Yes he has. He calls the info "Baloney" and says "the Catholic 'Run it all' crew are the worst".
     
    - http://spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm
  59. MLK says:

    Richard Spencer’s “knack” is in providing the lugenpresse what it wants.

    Exactly right. Spencer’s post-election/transition period antics could not have been more propitiously timed for the Never Trump bitter enders. In an election in which establishment Democrats and Republicans were exceedingly unlucky they kept getting exactly what they wanted, and at just the right time, from purported Trump-supporting KKK/Neo-Nazis/White Supremacists/White Nationalists.

    Maybe Spencer is just a self-promoting knucklehead. Or, perhaps he’s some form of agent provocateur.

    https://20committee.com/2013/02/24/what-if-everything-you-know-is-wrong/comment-page-1/

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  60. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon’s protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement,
     
    Steve Bannon was asked about the NPI Hailgate scandal:

    Steve Bannon talks Richmond roots, says Trump will condemn all forms of racism

    http://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/article_0f87d838-4aaa-5e4f-b717-6a342a00b89c.html


    The fears of those who think racist groups have been energized by Trump’s hard-line campaign stances against immigrants and Muslim refugees were heightened last weekend when the National Policy Institute, led by alt-right figure Richard Spencer, held a gathering in Washington that included Nazi salutes and shouts of “Hail Trump!”

    In a Breitbart post titled “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right,” written by openly gay right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, Spencer was included in a rundown of “dangerously bright” alt-right intellectuals.

    When asked about the scenes from the alt-right conference, Bannon said he does not follow Spencer’s group and does not know much about it.

    Breitbart’s mission, he said, calls for “more voices, not less,” with no single line of thought dominating the site. Race-based nationalism, he said, is a “non-starter.”

    “I don’t think it stands the test of logic, and there is no future for that, really, in America,” Bannon said.
     

    The article gives further clues as to why Mr. Bannon was probably in favor of the Betsy DeVos appointment as Secretary of Education and why he likely supports her school voucher advocacy:

    The close-knit Catholic family revered President John F. Kennedy, and Bannon remembers his mother being fascinated by the political rise of former Virginia Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, another Ginter Park resident who became the first African-American to be elected governor of any state.

    During the white flight of the 1960s and 1970s, Bannon said, his parents were “adamant” about staying in the city rather than moving to the suburbs as the neighborhood became racially integrated, a decision made easier by the availability of private Catholic schools.
     


    Vouchers Provide Much Needed Infusion of Students to Catholic Schools
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1661444

    I did some more reading and research on Betsy DeVos to better understand her faith and beliefs, because she did not strike me as a traditional Protestant [...] I wonder what John Calvin would make of Abraham Kuyper’s and Betsy DeVos’ pro-Papacy politics and philosophy/theology? [...] It almost appears that Neo-Calvinism is to Calvinism, what Neo-Conservatism is to Conservatism.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1662808

    This is what Michelle Malkin tweeted about the DeVos appointment:

    Michelle Malkin Verified account
    ‏@michellemalkin

    Michelle Malkin Retweeted Jeb Bush

    Grass-roots education activists on right & left distrust DeVos.
    This doesn’t help==> Jeb Bush Verified account
    ‏@JebBush

    Betsy DeVos is an outstanding pick for Secretary of Education. I look forward to her bold leadership at the USDOE.

    – https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/801562255443841027

    Jeb Bush’s conversion to Roman Catholicism is a perfect example of what Conservatism Inc. is really about

    – http://www.unz.com/article/rule-or-ruin/#comment-1624652
     

    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663141

    The infiltration and invasion of the ‘Alt Lite’ (not the Alt Right) by the Zionist-Vatican alliance intensifies:
    An Honest Conversation About Blackwater | Erik Prince and Stefan Molyneux

    Published on Nov 28, 2016

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBTCVgZUuso

    Betsy DeVos is Eri[k] Prince’s elder sister…

    Trump vs. the REAL Nuts—the GOP/ “Uniparty” Establishment

    Without taking into account the Vatican element, one cannot fully understand the logic of Invade the World/Invite the World , in my opinion. [...]

    Erik Prince of Blackwater infamy is a convert to Roman Catholicism

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1630050

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1661444

    These are the real fascists, not Richard Spencer and the Alt Right:

    Trump: We Wish the Problem Was Fascism
    But It’s Really Racism

    The simple fact, that Trump is Protestant, makes it highly unlikely, that he has fascist tendencies/leanings, since the great majority of fascist dictatorships were Catholic, with a few exceptions

    http://www.unz.com/plee/trump-we-wish-the-problem-was-fascism/#comment-1618786

    The rise of far-right parties in Europe, caused by the ”refugee crisis”, etc., is not a bad thing for the Vatican [...]

    Most right-wing regimes kept strong ties with local Churches (usually the Roman Catholic ones since most of those regimes happened in Catholic countries).

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1630654

    I feel this information is vital to understand, and so I decided to post it here again, so we can make sure that the Trump administration does not get infiltrated by the agents of the Zionist-Vatican alliance, like the Reagan administration was. [...]

    the U.S. Catholic bishops adopted a plan to build a political machine with the stated goal of passing a human rights amendment to the Constitution. This plan, which is represented by a printed document, describes the creation of the new right movement, including the Moral Majority. Within a period of only four years, almost the entire new right movement had been created.

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/dawn-of-the-trumpening-jeff-sessions-for-attorney-general-steve-bannon-for-pope/#comment-1658259

    The Zionist-Vatican alliance wanted to get rid of the authentic Alt Right after their intrusion was repelled and their co-option failed, and Richard Spencer gave them a huge opening to do that with his ‘Hail Victory’ stunt at NPI…

    It is no coincidence, in my opinion, that the ‘Alt Lite’, e.g. Infowars, Paul Joseph Watson, et al. are calling themselves the ‘New Right,’ now.

    Infowars has tons of Vatican connections just like the Murdoch media empire:

    Rupert Murdoch’s Heat Street is attacking the Unz Review, Vdare.com and Mr. Sailer. [...]
    Coincidentally, I just wrote a comment about the Murdoch media empire a few days ago:

    There is probably no one who pushes the Zionist-Vatican alliance and agenda harder than the Murdoch media empire [...]

    Do you know what one of the first things was, Keith, that Tony Blair – one of Rupert Murdoch’s formerly closest allies, architect of the Iraq war, who opened UK borders wide to Third World immigration – did after he left 10 Downing Street (his wife was already Catholic)? – http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1656181

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-long-election-stage-two/#comment-1659662

    This is a somewhat ‘kooky’ website, but he has been documenting Alex Jones’ connection to the Vatican for years:

    What convinced me Jones is some kind of agent? 1. The info listed on this page. 2. The “Main Links” section to the left. 3. My knowledge of Jesuit/Vatican history and political intrigue which I have studied for almost 20 years now.

    Has Alex Jones been contacted about this info? Yes he has. He calls the info “Baloney” and says “the Catholic ‘Run it all’ crew are the worst”.

    http://spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Both Rupert Murdoch and Tony Blair are papists.

    The Breitbart News chief and chief advisor to Trump, Steve Bannon, is of Irish Catholic background:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-steve-bannon/

    “I come from a blue-collar, Irish Catholic, pro-Kennedy, pro-union family of Democrats,” says Bannon, by way of explaining his politics.
     
    Bannon gave a talk to a conference at the Vatican in 2014. He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world
  61. Richard Spencer is angling to be the white Al Sharpton, standing up for the future permanent white minority if Trump doesn’t slow illegal immigration. Richard Spencer is a product of identity culture, illegal immigration, conservative fascination with socio-biology, and he enjoys being controversial. The alternative right never cared about being politically viable even at its inception at takimag. It costed Jack Hunter big. It seemed more at the time as a group who immaturely flirted with the taboo because they had no shot at power. Now we have someone who may actually do something about illegal immigration and this group is muddying the waters, causing Trump problems by giving his enemies ammo to slander him with.

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    Yep. To remind, Sharpton was the individual most responsible for destroying David Dinkins mayoralty, and ensuring a quarter century of Republican mayors to follow.

    Apparently some folks had Sharpton by the short-hairs:

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-764312
  62. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim Christian
    Optics, they don't consider the optics. It's become a big fat pain in Trump's (and I suppose, Bannon's) ass. It undermines things, don't these folks care about THAT? Or are they Fuck Trump, we're doing what we want? These guys are little different from the pukes that riot in the name of the Left.

    We have this Sanders broad announcing Democrats don't need Whites in the Party, but not a word about that bit of racist shit. Some jack-ass's cell video showing nitwits doing the Hitleresque salute and they spray it around the world. Again, optics. Is the mission not to shitty-up Trump?

    Nothing makes sense. Nothing. Trying to figure out motivations of each faction is a senseless exercise. Trump? Him too. He's playing footsie with sketchy characters like Romney, a man that robbed companies and that insulted and harangued Trump to the final day of the campaign. Then there's Patreus, a fired and demoted General that can't get a security clearance, who engages in sordid affairs and then blabs the country's secrets to the slut post-coitus. Trump surely can't respect a "man" that loses his ball to women and how do you trust the prick knowing his history? With Romney and Petreus, where's the benefit?

    Are you really comparing a bunch of law-abiding people doing un-PC things in a semi-private venue to rioters?

    Im not saying that what happened was the wisest thing but the media is going to label anyone who opposes white displacement and disenfranchisement as “Nazis.” Stop punching to the right.

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  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max
    The infiltration and invasion of the 'Alt Lite' (not the Alt Right) by the Zionist-Vatican alliance intensifies:
    An Honest Conversation About Blackwater | Erik Prince and Stefan Molyneux

    Published on Nov 28, 2016


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBTCVgZUuso


    Betsy DeVos is Eri[k] Prince’s elder sister…

    Trump vs. the REAL Nuts—the GOP/ “Uniparty” Establishment

    Without taking into account the Vatican element, one cannot fully understand the logic of Invade the World/Invite the World , in my opinion. [...]

    Erik Prince of Blackwater infamy is a convert to Roman Catholicism


    – http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1630050
     
    - http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1661444


    These are the real fascists, not Richard Spencer and the Alt Right:

    Trump: We Wish the Problem Was Fascism
    But It’s Really Racism

    The simple fact, that Trump is Protestant, makes it highly unlikely, that he has fascist tendencies/leanings, since the great majority of fascist dictatorships were Catholic, with a few exceptions
     
    - http://www.unz.com/plee/trump-we-wish-the-problem-was-fascism/#comment-1618786

    The rise of far-right parties in Europe, caused by the ”refugee crisis”, etc., is not a bad thing for the Vatican [...]

    Most right-wing regimes kept strong ties with local Churches (usually the Roman Catholic ones since most of those regimes happened in Catholic countries).

     
    - http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/trump-vs-the-real-nuts-the-gop-uniparty-establishment/#comment-1630654

    I feel this information is vital to understand, and so I decided to post it here again, so we can make sure that the Trump administration does not get infiltrated by the agents of the Zionist-Vatican alliance, like the Reagan administration was. [...]

    the U.S. Catholic bishops adopted a plan to build a political machine with the stated goal of passing a human rights amendment to the Constitution. This plan, which is represented by a printed document, describes the creation of the new right movement, including the Moral Majority. Within a period of only four years, almost the entire new right movement had been created.
     
    - http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/dawn-of-the-trumpening-jeff-sessions-for-attorney-general-steve-bannon-for-pope/#comment-1658259

    The Zionist-Vatican alliance wanted to get rid of the authentic Alt Right after their intrusion was repelled and their co-option failed, and Richard Spencer gave them a huge opening to do that with his 'Hail Victory' stunt at NPI...

    It is no coincidence, in my opinion, that the 'Alt Lite', e.g. Infowars, Paul Joseph Watson, et al. are calling themselves the 'New Right,' now.

    Infowars has tons of Vatican connections just like the Murdoch media empire:


    Rupert Murdoch’s Heat Street is attacking the Unz Review, Vdare.com and Mr. Sailer. [...]
    Coincidentally, I just wrote a comment about the Murdoch media empire a few days ago:

    There is probably no one who pushes the Zionist-Vatican alliance and agenda harder than the Murdoch media empire [...]

    Do you know what one of the first things was, Keith, that Tony Blair – one of Rupert Murdoch’s formerly closest allies, architect of the Iraq war, who opened UK borders wide to Third World immigration – did after he left 10 Downing Street (his wife was already Catholic)
    ? - http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1656181
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/the-long-election-stage-two/#comment-1659662


    This is a somewhat 'kooky' website, but he has been documenting Alex Jones' connection to the Vatican for years:

    What convinced me Jones is some kind of agent? 1. The info listed on this page. 2. The "Main Links" section to the left. 3. My knowledge of Jesuit/Vatican history and political intrigue which I have studied for almost 20 years now.

    Has Alex Jones been contacted about this info? Yes he has. He calls the info "Baloney" and says "the Catholic 'Run it all' crew are the worst".
     
    - http://spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm

    Both Rupert Murdoch and Tony Blair are papists.

    The Breitbart News chief and chief advisor to Trump, Steve Bannon, is of Irish Catholic background:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-steve-bannon/

    “I come from a blue-collar, Irish Catholic, pro-Kennedy, pro-union family of Democrats,” says Bannon, by way of explaining his politics.

    Bannon gave a talk to a conference at the Vatican in 2014. He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

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    Bannon gave a talk to a conference at the Vatican in 2014. He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type
     
    Thank you, and agreed.

    I tried to give Steve Bannon the benefit of the doubt, but I think you are pretty much spot on with your characterization of him 'He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type.'

    I wrote a long comment on that Vatican speech/presentation he gave; here some excerpts:

    To be honest, I am, at moment, a bit confused about Steve Bannon. He gave that speech you referenced at the Vatican in 2014, I believe.

    This is what he said in 2016, which I wholeheartedly agree with, except for his pro-life (and I assume anti-Planned Parenthood) position and rhetoric [...]

    If Bannon has such a negative view of the RCC/Vatican, why would he speak to them? Maybe he had a change of heart and mind from 2014 to 2016, and figured out what the Vatican is really up to, and that it is no friend of the historic Protestant American people and nation? He does not seem to be very much aware of the Zionist-Vatican alliance [Or he is actually a part of it, like you stated, i.e., ' Catholic neocon type'][...]

    I hope Steve Bannon has wised up to the Vatican and is keeping his distance from the Vatican and Knights of Malta crowd since the 2014 speech he gave to that group at the Vatican. [...]

    One of Steve Bannon’s surrogates, Milo Yiannopoulos, is a quarter-Jewish, anti-Planned Parenthood Catholic, and, in my opinion, the perfect embodiment of the Vatican-Zionist alliance, which I personally oppose [...]
     
    - http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271

    I still trust Trump, though: http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271 and http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1654918

    Let us hope, that they won't succeed to turn him and his administration into a Zionist-Vatican alliance puppet... I will do everything in my power to not let that happen!
  64. MLK says:
    @Johnny F. Ive
    Richard Spencer is angling to be the white Al Sharpton, standing up for the future permanent white minority if Trump doesn't slow illegal immigration. Richard Spencer is a product of identity culture, illegal immigration, conservative fascination with socio-biology, and he enjoys being controversial. The alternative right never cared about being politically viable even at its inception at takimag. It costed Jack Hunter big. It seemed more at the time as a group who immaturely flirted with the taboo because they had no shot at power. Now we have someone who may actually do something about illegal immigration and this group is muddying the waters, causing Trump problems by giving his enemies ammo to slander him with.

    Yep. To remind, Sharpton was the individual most responsible for destroying David Dinkins mayoralty, and ensuring a quarter century of Republican mayors to follow.

    Apparently some folks had Sharpton by the short-hairs:

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-764312

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  65. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Both Rupert Murdoch and Tony Blair are papists.

    The Breitbart News chief and chief advisor to Trump, Steve Bannon, is of Irish Catholic background:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-steve-bannon/

    “I come from a blue-collar, Irish Catholic, pro-Kennedy, pro-union family of Democrats,” says Bannon, by way of explaining his politics.
     
    Bannon gave a talk to a conference at the Vatican in 2014. He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

    Bannon gave a talk to a conference at the Vatican in 2014. He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type

    Thank you, and agreed.

    I tried to give Steve Bannon the benefit of the doubt, but I think you are pretty much spot on with your characterization of him ‘He sounds very much like a Catholic neocon type.’

    I wrote a long comment on that Vatican speech/presentation he gave; here some excerpts:

    To be honest, I am, at moment, a bit confused about Steve Bannon. He gave that speech you referenced at the Vatican in 2014, I believe.

    This is what he said in 2016, which I wholeheartedly agree with, except for his pro-life (and I assume anti-Planned Parenthood) position and rhetoric [...]

    If Bannon has such a negative view of the RCC/Vatican, why would he speak to them? Maybe he had a change of heart and mind from 2014 to 2016, and figured out what the Vatican is really up to, and that it is no friend of the historic Protestant American people and nation? He does not seem to be very much aware of the Zionist-Vatican alliance [Or he is actually a part of it, like you stated, i.e., ' Catholic neocon type'][...]

    I hope Steve Bannon has wised up to the Vatican and is keeping his distance from the Vatican and Knights of Malta crowd since the 2014 speech he gave to that group at the Vatican. [...]

    One of Steve Bannon’s surrogates, Milo Yiannopoulos, is a quarter-Jewish, anti-Planned Parenthood Catholic, and, in my opinion, the perfect embodiment of the Vatican-Zionist alliance, which I personally oppose [...]

    http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271

    I still trust Trump, though: http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1653271 and http://www.unz.com/ldinh/the-trump-ploy/#comment-1654918

    Let us hope, that they won’t succeed to turn him and his administration into a Zionist-Vatican alliance puppet… I will do everything in my power to not let that happen!

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  66. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    aaaah so. this explains why you are so nutty. JW

    You’re an ex-commie. Once a commie, always a commie. We are National Socialists, and we will deal with you commies and ex-commies. Remember – better dead than red. No exceptions.

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    Hah! Credible trolling requires at least minimal intelligence and knowledge.

    better dead than red (or better red than dead)
    phrase of red
    1.
    a cold-war slogan claiming that the prospect of nuclear war is preferable to that of a communist society (or vice versa).
    , @joe webb
    the only reason I bother to reply to this idiot is this: I was never a commie, but a Democratic Socialist type, like Bernie Sanders. Michael Harrington's Democratic Socialist party was then probably the old Norman Thomas Socialist Party. It may be the party of Bernie.

    Probably the thing that kept me an Albert Camus Rebel type (see his The Rebel, a great mid-century classic) as opposed to a communist is my good sense. This also keeps me away from totalitarianism of the Right. Good sense. Limits. The 20 th century was the time of Unlimited Excess, although the commies were a dozen times worse than the fascists, including Hitler.

    Arguably NS never came close to the totalitarianism of communism. If alive back then I probably would have become part of HItler's movement, who knows?

    When you get Race, you get it, big time. Interesting that race and class are both growing in consciousness. Race will always trump class, but the two combined are pure dynamite.

    We are heading for a post world war one scenario with many ethnic and race and economic/political struggles ahead. Europe is dealing with the breakdown of the EU. Wait until Migrant crisis spills over into civil war between muzzies and Whites. 50- million muzzies. in Europe. That means maybe 10 million potential jihadist/warriors.

    These folks want to die for Allah. Great. Let them die by the tens of thousands as Whites stay calm and shoot straight. Thanks to the Jews for bringing this on. Does Trump get it? I doubt it.
    Neocons played it real good...abetting the genetically dopey European Liberals to Welcome the Stranger. Muzzies are stranger than our blacks and mexers, much stranger

    When white folks figure all or this out, Israel is finished, and jews are in real jewish trouble.

    Joe Webb
  67. MLK says:
    @Anonymous
    You're an ex-commie. Once a commie, always a commie. We are National Socialists, and we will deal with you commies and ex-commies. Remember - better dead than red. No exceptions.

    Hah! Credible trolling requires at least minimal intelligence and knowledge.

    better dead than red (or better red than dead)
    phrase of red
    1.
    a cold-war slogan claiming that the prospect of nuclear war is preferable to that of a communist society (or vice versa).

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I know the original meaning of the phrase, moron.

    The Cold War is over, and there's no credible threat of commie takeover. But there are still commies and ex-commies running around, and they will have to be dealt with - with extreme prejudice.
  68. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @MLK
    Hah! Credible trolling requires at least minimal intelligence and knowledge.

    better dead than red (or better red than dead)
    phrase of red
    1.
    a cold-war slogan claiming that the prospect of nuclear war is preferable to that of a communist society (or vice versa).

    I know the original meaning of the phrase, moron.

    The Cold War is over, and there’s no credible threat of commie takeover. But there are still commies and ex-commies running around, and they will have to be dealt with – with extreme prejudice.

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  69. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max
    I somewhat disagree. This was not the first time I witnessed Richard Spencer underperform and choke when the stakes were really high. He does not seem to be a 'closer,' as Donald Trump likes to say.

    A couple of weeks ago Steve Bannon's protege and surrogate Milo Yiannopoulos ( read my posts, and follow the links in them, in this thread, for more details: http://www.unz.com/isteve/donald-trump-messiah-of-american-education/#comment-1663331 ) attempted to hijack and co-opt the Alt Right movement, and there was virtually no pushback from Richard Spencer against this attempted intrusion.

    Even Andrew Anglin of Daily Stormer infamy played a more constructive role in that battle than Mr. Spencer:


    I also wanted to thank Mr. Johnson for stepping up to the plate in the last several weeks and showing true leadership when it was most needed in the Alt Right, namely during the entire Milo-Gate affair.

    Mr. Johnson’s appearance on Fash the Nation Week 58 and his discussion with Vox Day on Alt West vs. Alt Right were crucial in protecting the integrity of the Alt Right, in my opinion.

    High-level representatives of both the Alt West and the Alt Right peacefully coming together, calmed the waters and prevented animosities, caused by Milo Yiannopoulos’ irresponsible and conniving behavior, to spiral out of control.

    Much respect and gratitude to Mr. Day and Mr. Johnson for this important diplomatic effort to keep the two most important factions of the Dissident Right on friendly terms.

    I also want to give credit to Andrew Anglin for countering Milo Yiannopoulos’ intrusion into and attempted co-option of the Alt Right movement. Even though, I don’t fully agree with all of Andrew’s methods, the harsh language and imagery he uses in his propaganda efforts, and his hypervigilance, I personally feel, that he and the Daily Stormer are a net-positive for the Alt Right movement, and I appreciate his efforts and highly respect and honor his personal sacrifices in the defense of White and Western Civilization.

    Thank you, again, to everybody. This is a team/group effort.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/10/what-the-alt-right-isnt/#comment-1369666

    I personally like Mr. Spencer. He is charming and well spoken, etc., but, in my opinion, he does lack some essential and necessary leadership qualities and skills, at the moment.

    I believe he can develop these qualities and skills, but he needs to do some serious soul-searching and self-reflection first, in order to 'up his game.'

    This is the Big Leagues with the Big Boys, now. He needs to bring his A game!

    True, but they hold almost all cultural power & vast political power, whereas we have nothing but truth & credibility. Spencer harmed us.
     
    - https://twitter.com/NewRightAmerica/status/801192488484491264

    “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory”

    Outstanding analysis of ‘Hailgate’ by Greg Johnson:

    The Alt Right:
    Obituary for a Brand?

    It is ironic — or maybe just sadly fitting — that Richard Spencer, the man who launched the Alternative Right brand, may have just destroyed it. [...]

    Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right. Instead, I wish to comment on the consequences of this affair and how we should respond to it. [...]

    Spencer really had one job: not to embarrass us or Trump, and he blew it. Now there is zero chance of any proposal coming from NPI being taken seriously. [...]

    Vox Day does not think Spencer is controlled opposition but that he nevertheless behaved in a self-aggrandizing manner and made a serious public relations error. [...]

    Please don’t tell me that Spencer’s critics are all simply trying to make friends with an implacably hostile press. First, our concern is obviously not persuading our enemies but reaching people who are sympathetic or neutral. Second, if the press is implacably hostile, why is Spencer so focused on courting it?

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/the-alt-right-obituary-for-a-brand/

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Greg Johnson is a homosexual.
    , @joe webb
    Johnson may be brown, but the sex is unimportant. The brown shirt is important. he is a nazi too. I know him. his dog is named Rockwell, not after the Norman.

    However his opinion here is correct. JW
    , @joe webb
    Greg Johnson takes a conspiracy flier. Typical. Spencer is not an agent, he is just an ego maniac.

    Human all too human. He is also, like Greg Johnson, a juvenile delinquent delighting in transgressive behavior. Whatever he meant by the Atlantic article quote..." we're here, we're queer, get used to it" it is puerile delinquency. As a possibility, despite my view that homosexuality is simply a biological error, wires crossed and all that, the in your face character of official homosexuality these days may explain Spencer in part. Also GJ.

    Spencer is apparently married, and I understand she is fat. Now, Spencer is a good looking male...makes one wonder. Plausible deniability and all that.

    Get into an SS uniform and play the part. Toy race realists...again, toy. Play with your toys and raise the middle finger to the straights, the breeders.

    Both of these guys are pure poison for any kind of race realism. I no longer use the term White Nationalist for myself. It is the old cliche of 'with friends like this, who needs enemies.' Thanks Richard.

    Joe Webb
  70. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max
    “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory”

    Outstanding analysis of 'Hailgate' by Greg Johnson:

    The Alt Right:
    Obituary for a Brand?

    It is ironic — or maybe just sadly fitting — that Richard Spencer, the man who launched the Alternative Right brand, may have just destroyed it. [...]

    Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right. Instead, I wish to comment on the consequences of this affair and how we should respond to it. [...]

    Spencer really had one job: not to embarrass us or Trump, and he blew it. Now there is zero chance of any proposal coming from NPI being taken seriously. [...]

    Vox Day does not think Spencer is controlled opposition but that he nevertheless behaved in a self-aggrandizing manner and made a serious public relations error. [...]

    Please don’t tell me that Spencer’s critics are all simply trying to make friends with an implacably hostile press. First, our concern is obviously not persuading our enemies but reaching people who are sympathetic or neutral. Second, if the press is implacably hostile, why is Spencer so focused on courting it?
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/the-alt-right-obituary-for-a-brand/

    Greg Johnson is a homosexual.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    Whatever the percentage of homosexuals in the Alt Right, I am sure, it is negligible and pales in comparison to the RCC. Maybe the Alt Right should start recruiting more homosexuals? This approach and strategy seems to work really well for the Pope:

    Over half of Catholic priests are gay, says Vatican insider


    He said that this number is even higher in the Vatican and that the church “use” the sexuality of these men to “guilt-trip” them into being better priests.

    You have the advantage of having many gay men with a guilty conscience. They do their best to be especially smart, loyal to the Pope and hard working,” he said in an interview with German magazine Stern.

    “Which is why they have the best chances for a career and, through this, get into the Vatican.

    “There, they find a network of gay men in which people help each other out.”

    Berger worked at the Pontifical Academy of St Thomas Aquinas in Vatican City, but was forced to leave when he came out as gay.

    However, he says being gay actually helps further your career, he claimed, as “being gay is an important apparatus of power” in the Vatican and priests who come out are seen as the “ultimate threat”.
     

    - http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/07/over-half-of-catholic-priests-are-gay-says-vatican-insider/

    Numerous independent sources inside the Church began polling and interviewing and questioning and researching. Their results were jaw-dropping. One survey done by a New Jersey Franciscan priest and researcher revealed that 45 percent of 500 priests surveyed volunteered that they were gay and that one in four of them had AIDS — proving a rampant promiscuity.

    Over the years, a large number of surveys, polls and research have produced a wide range of estimates of the percentage of men in the ranks of the ordained who are homosexual: as low as 15 percent all the way up to 58 percent. That compares to the overall national percentage of about 1.5 percent.
     

    - http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/half-of-priests-and-bishops-are-gay
  71. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Greg Johnson is a homosexual.

    Whatever the percentage of homosexuals in the Alt Right, I am sure, it is negligible and pales in comparison to the RCC. Maybe the Alt Right should start recruiting more homosexuals? This approach and strategy seems to work really well for the Pope:

    Over half of Catholic priests are gay, says Vatican insider

    He said that this number is even higher in the Vatican and that the church “use” the sexuality of these men to “guilt-trip” them into being better priests.

    You have the advantage of having many gay men with a guilty conscience. They do their best to be especially smart, loyal to the Pope and hard working,” he said in an interview with German magazine Stern.

    “Which is why they have the best chances for a career and, through this, get into the Vatican.

    “There, they find a network of gay men in which people help each other out.”

    Berger worked at the Pontifical Academy of St Thomas Aquinas in Vatican City, but was forced to leave when he came out as gay.

    However, he says being gay actually helps further your career, he claimed, as “being gay is an important apparatus of power” in the Vatican and priests who come out are seen as the “ultimate threat”.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/07/over-half-of-catholic-priests-are-gay-says-vatican-insider/

    Numerous independent sources inside the Church began polling and interviewing and questioning and researching. Their results were jaw-dropping. One survey done by a New Jersey Franciscan priest and researcher revealed that 45 percent of 500 priests surveyed volunteered that they were gay and that one in four of them had AIDS — proving a rampant promiscuity.

    Over the years, a large number of surveys, polls and research have produced a wide range of estimates of the percentage of men in the ranks of the ordained who are homosexual: as low as 15 percent all the way up to 58 percent. That compares to the overall national percentage of about 1.5 percent.

    http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/half-of-priests-and-bishops-are-gay

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    Perhaps that could be the new motto of the alt-right - "Not as gay as a bunch of old men who wear dresses for a living." I am sure that would do wonders for recruitment and really support the alt-right's heterosexual bona fides.
  72. joe webb says:
    @FKA Max
    “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory”

    Outstanding analysis of 'Hailgate' by Greg Johnson:

    The Alt Right:
    Obituary for a Brand?

    It is ironic — or maybe just sadly fitting — that Richard Spencer, the man who launched the Alternative Right brand, may have just destroyed it. [...]

    Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right. Instead, I wish to comment on the consequences of this affair and how we should respond to it. [...]

    Spencer really had one job: not to embarrass us or Trump, and he blew it. Now there is zero chance of any proposal coming from NPI being taken seriously. [...]

    Vox Day does not think Spencer is controlled opposition but that he nevertheless behaved in a self-aggrandizing manner and made a serious public relations error. [...]

    Please don’t tell me that Spencer’s critics are all simply trying to make friends with an implacably hostile press. First, our concern is obviously not persuading our enemies but reaching people who are sympathetic or neutral. Second, if the press is implacably hostile, why is Spencer so focused on courting it?
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/the-alt-right-obituary-for-a-brand/

    Johnson may be brown, but the sex is unimportant. The brown shirt is important. he is a nazi too. I know him. his dog is named Rockwell, not after the Norman.

    However his opinion here is correct. JW

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  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max
    Whatever the percentage of homosexuals in the Alt Right, I am sure, it is negligible and pales in comparison to the RCC. Maybe the Alt Right should start recruiting more homosexuals? This approach and strategy seems to work really well for the Pope:

    Over half of Catholic priests are gay, says Vatican insider


    He said that this number is even higher in the Vatican and that the church “use” the sexuality of these men to “guilt-trip” them into being better priests.

    You have the advantage of having many gay men with a guilty conscience. They do their best to be especially smart, loyal to the Pope and hard working,” he said in an interview with German magazine Stern.

    “Which is why they have the best chances for a career and, through this, get into the Vatican.

    “There, they find a network of gay men in which people help each other out.”

    Berger worked at the Pontifical Academy of St Thomas Aquinas in Vatican City, but was forced to leave when he came out as gay.

    However, he says being gay actually helps further your career, he claimed, as “being gay is an important apparatus of power” in the Vatican and priests who come out are seen as the “ultimate threat”.
     

    - http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/07/over-half-of-catholic-priests-are-gay-says-vatican-insider/

    Numerous independent sources inside the Church began polling and interviewing and questioning and researching. Their results were jaw-dropping. One survey done by a New Jersey Franciscan priest and researcher revealed that 45 percent of 500 priests surveyed volunteered that they were gay and that one in four of them had AIDS — proving a rampant promiscuity.

    Over the years, a large number of surveys, polls and research have produced a wide range of estimates of the percentage of men in the ranks of the ordained who are homosexual: as low as 15 percent all the way up to 58 percent. That compares to the overall national percentage of about 1.5 percent.
     

    - http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/half-of-priests-and-bishops-are-gay

    Perhaps that could be the new motto of the alt-right – “Not as gay as a bunch of old men who wear dresses for a living.” I am sure that would do wonders for recruitment and really support the alt-right’s heterosexual bona fides.

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  74. joe webb says:
    @FKA Max
    “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory”

    Outstanding analysis of 'Hailgate' by Greg Johnson:

    The Alt Right:
    Obituary for a Brand?

    It is ironic — or maybe just sadly fitting — that Richard Spencer, the man who launched the Alternative Right brand, may have just destroyed it. [...]

    Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right. Instead, I wish to comment on the consequences of this affair and how we should respond to it. [...]

    Spencer really had one job: not to embarrass us or Trump, and he blew it. Now there is zero chance of any proposal coming from NPI being taken seriously. [...]

    Vox Day does not think Spencer is controlled opposition but that he nevertheless behaved in a self-aggrandizing manner and made a serious public relations error. [...]

    Please don’t tell me that Spencer’s critics are all simply trying to make friends with an implacably hostile press. First, our concern is obviously not persuading our enemies but reaching people who are sympathetic or neutral. Second, if the press is implacably hostile, why is Spencer so focused on courting it?
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/the-alt-right-obituary-for-a-brand/

    Greg Johnson takes a conspiracy flier. Typical. Spencer is not an agent, he is just an ego maniac.

    Human all too human. He is also, like Greg Johnson, a juvenile delinquent delighting in transgressive behavior. Whatever he meant by the Atlantic article quote…” we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” it is puerile delinquency. As a possibility, despite my view that homosexuality is simply a biological error, wires crossed and all that, the in your face character of official homosexuality these days may explain Spencer in part. Also GJ.

    Spencer is apparently married, and I understand she is fat. Now, Spencer is a good looking male…makes one wonder. Plausible deniability and all that.

    Get into an SS uniform and play the part. Toy race realists…again, toy. Play with your toys and raise the middle finger to the straights, the breeders.

    Both of these guys are pure poison for any kind of race realism. I no longer use the term White Nationalist for myself. It is the old cliche of ‘with friends like this, who needs enemies.’ Thanks Richard.

    Joe Webb

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    Johnson is acknowledged to be homosexual. Spencer is not public about his orientation, but he separated from his wife recently, and it's believed the separation is due to issues and disputes regarding his proclivities.
    , @FKA Max

    Greg Johnson takes a conspiracy flier. Typical. Spencer is not an agent, he is just an ego maniac.
     
    Mr. Webb,

    where did you read, that Mr. Johnson was accusing Richard Spencer of being an agent?

    He specifically stated in his article:

    Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right.
     
    In regards to Mr. Spencer potentially being a homosexual as well, and his wife being overweight, etc.; this is just unproductive and distracting gossip, in my opinion.

    What is of greater concern, to me, about Mr. Spencer's wife, are her close ties to Russia and Aleksandr Dugin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

    Kouprianova has also translated the work of Russian political scientist Aleksandr Dugin,
     
    - https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/neo-nazi-richard-spencers-wife-is-a-russian-propagandist-with-allegiance-to-putin/

    Much of Mr. Spencer's time and tweeting on Twitter, before he was banned from the platform, was dedicated to defending Russia, Putin and Bashar al-Assad of Syria, instead of advocating for and defending the historic Protestant American people and nation. What exactly are his real priorities?

    Mr. Johnson had similar concerns:

    Greg Johnson
    Posted October 1, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    You are misrepresenting this entirely. I did not call off the conference. The Hungarian government did that. I was merely informing my readers, many of whom expected me to be there, that I was not going, and why I was not going — based on information that Richard Spencer was unwilling to share.

    Nor did I “sabotage” anything — unless it was NPI’s plan to keep people in the dark in the hope that they would be able to cobble together an alternative conference at the last minute, which seems unlikely given the fact that the Hungarian government has expelled at least one person involved with NPI, and Richard Spencer, last I heard, had not even tried to enter Hungary.

    I have a lot of disagreements with the direction that Spencer has been taking NPI and Radix in recent months. He has basically abandoned ethnonationalism and turned into an apologist for Dugin and reactionary Russian chauvinism. But I still wished to attend the conference and wanted it to be a success.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/09/budapest-conference-update/#comment-56081
  75. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joe webb
    Greg Johnson takes a conspiracy flier. Typical. Spencer is not an agent, he is just an ego maniac.

    Human all too human. He is also, like Greg Johnson, a juvenile delinquent delighting in transgressive behavior. Whatever he meant by the Atlantic article quote..." we're here, we're queer, get used to it" it is puerile delinquency. As a possibility, despite my view that homosexuality is simply a biological error, wires crossed and all that, the in your face character of official homosexuality these days may explain Spencer in part. Also GJ.

    Spencer is apparently married, and I understand she is fat. Now, Spencer is a good looking male...makes one wonder. Plausible deniability and all that.

    Get into an SS uniform and play the part. Toy race realists...again, toy. Play with your toys and raise the middle finger to the straights, the breeders.

    Both of these guys are pure poison for any kind of race realism. I no longer use the term White Nationalist for myself. It is the old cliche of 'with friends like this, who needs enemies.' Thanks Richard.

    Joe Webb

    Johnson is acknowledged to be homosexual. Spencer is not public about his orientation, but he separated from his wife recently, and it’s believed the separation is due to issues and disputes regarding his proclivities.

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  76. FKA Max says:
    @joe webb
    Greg Johnson takes a conspiracy flier. Typical. Spencer is not an agent, he is just an ego maniac.

    Human all too human. He is also, like Greg Johnson, a juvenile delinquent delighting in transgressive behavior. Whatever he meant by the Atlantic article quote..." we're here, we're queer, get used to it" it is puerile delinquency. As a possibility, despite my view that homosexuality is simply a biological error, wires crossed and all that, the in your face character of official homosexuality these days may explain Spencer in part. Also GJ.

    Spencer is apparently married, and I understand she is fat. Now, Spencer is a good looking male...makes one wonder. Plausible deniability and all that.

    Get into an SS uniform and play the part. Toy race realists...again, toy. Play with your toys and raise the middle finger to the straights, the breeders.

    Both of these guys are pure poison for any kind of race realism. I no longer use the term White Nationalist for myself. It is the old cliche of 'with friends like this, who needs enemies.' Thanks Richard.

    Joe Webb

    Greg Johnson takes a conspiracy flier. Typical. Spencer is not an agent, he is just an ego maniac.

    Mr. Webb,

    where did you read, that Mr. Johnson was accusing Richard Spencer of being an agent?

    He specifically stated in his article:

    Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right.

    In regards to Mr. Spencer potentially being a homosexual as well, and his wife being overweight, etc.; this is just unproductive and distracting gossip, in my opinion.

    What is of greater concern, to me, about Mr. Spencer’s wife, are her close ties to Russia and Aleksandr Dugin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

    Kouprianova has also translated the work of Russian political scientist Aleksandr Dugin,

    https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/neo-nazi-richard-spencers-wife-is-a-russian-propagandist-with-allegiance-to-putin/

    Much of Mr. Spencer’s time and tweeting on Twitter, before he was banned from the platform, was dedicated to defending Russia, Putin and Bashar al-Assad of Syria, instead of advocating for and defending the historic Protestant American people and nation. What exactly are his real priorities?

    Mr. Johnson had similar concerns:

    Greg Johnson
    Posted October 1, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    You are misrepresenting this entirely. I did not call off the conference. The Hungarian government did that. I was merely informing my readers, many of whom expected me to be there, that I was not going, and why I was not going — based on information that Richard Spencer was unwilling to share.

    Nor did I “sabotage” anything — unless it was NPI’s plan to keep people in the dark in the hope that they would be able to cobble together an alternative conference at the last minute, which seems unlikely given the fact that the Hungarian government has expelled at least one person involved with NPI, and Richard Spencer, last I heard, had not even tried to enter Hungary.

    I have a lot of disagreements with the direction that Spencer has been taking NPI and Radix in recent months. He has basically abandoned ethnonationalism and turned into an apologist for Dugin and reactionary Russian chauvinism. But I still wished to attend the conference and wanted it to be a success.

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/09/budapest-conference-update/#comment-56081

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    ok, but the mere mention of 'sabotage' etc, brings up the question. I know GJ very well, with his history of bilking people out of their money, including a failed attempt with myself, and other WN groups.

    Poisonous and psychopathology....you have to have had personal experience with the character. He once said in one of his seances that I attended a few years ago...with regard to storing food for disasters to come, " Oh, I don't bother with this, I will just go next door and kill someone for their food." Funny, or psychopathology? There are others as well. Jokes always reveal character.

    GJ is capable of anything, including signing up with our enemies if he is paid. Do not believe anything he says, anything.

    WN is dead thanks to guys like Spencer and Johnson. For the time being anyway. When Trump fails to deliver, another chapter will begin. Call ourselves race realists...that has a chance.

    No country or anything else can survive when based on Lies, especially the race equality lie of the century, or, last half century, championed by Jews but genetically fostered by White altruism.

    Joe Webb
  77. joe webb says:
    @Anonymous
    You're an ex-commie. Once a commie, always a commie. We are National Socialists, and we will deal with you commies and ex-commies. Remember - better dead than red. No exceptions.

    the only reason I bother to reply to this idiot is this: I was never a commie, but a Democratic Socialist type, like Bernie Sanders. Michael Harrington’s Democratic Socialist party was then probably the old Norman Thomas Socialist Party. It may be the party of Bernie.

    Probably the thing that kept me an Albert Camus Rebel type (see his The Rebel, a great mid-century classic) as opposed to a communist is my good sense. This also keeps me away from totalitarianism of the Right. Good sense. Limits. The 20 th century was the time of Unlimited Excess, although the commies were a dozen times worse than the fascists, including Hitler.

    Arguably NS never came close to the totalitarianism of communism. If alive back then I probably would have become part of HItler’s movement, who knows?

    When you get Race, you get it, big time. Interesting that race and class are both growing in consciousness. Race will always trump class, but the two combined are pure dynamite.

    We are heading for a post world war one scenario with many ethnic and race and economic/political struggles ahead. Europe is dealing with the breakdown of the EU. Wait until Migrant crisis spills over into civil war between muzzies and Whites. 50- million muzzies. in Europe. That means maybe 10 million potential jihadist/warriors.

    These folks want to die for Allah. Great. Let them die by the tens of thousands as Whites stay calm and shoot straight. Thanks to the Jews for bringing this on. Does Trump get it? I doubt it.
    Neocons played it real good…abetting the genetically dopey European Liberals to Welcome the Stranger. Muzzies are stranger than our blacks and mexers, much stranger

    When white folks figure all or this out, Israel is finished, and jews are in real jewish trouble.

    Joe Webb

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  78. joe webb says:
    @FKA Max

    Greg Johnson takes a conspiracy flier. Typical. Spencer is not an agent, he is just an ego maniac.
     
    Mr. Webb,

    where did you read, that Mr. Johnson was accusing Richard Spencer of being an agent?

    He specifically stated in his article:

    Now I do not wish to split hairs about the motives and culpability for this public relations disaster, except to say that I do not believe the charge that Spencer was intentionally sabotaging NPI and the Alt Right.
     
    In regards to Mr. Spencer potentially being a homosexual as well, and his wife being overweight, etc.; this is just unproductive and distracting gossip, in my opinion.

    What is of greater concern, to me, about Mr. Spencer's wife, are her close ties to Russia and Aleksandr Dugin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

    Kouprianova has also translated the work of Russian political scientist Aleksandr Dugin,
     
    - https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/neo-nazi-richard-spencers-wife-is-a-russian-propagandist-with-allegiance-to-putin/

    Much of Mr. Spencer's time and tweeting on Twitter, before he was banned from the platform, was dedicated to defending Russia, Putin and Bashar al-Assad of Syria, instead of advocating for and defending the historic Protestant American people and nation. What exactly are his real priorities?

    Mr. Johnson had similar concerns:

    Greg Johnson
    Posted October 1, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    You are misrepresenting this entirely. I did not call off the conference. The Hungarian government did that. I was merely informing my readers, many of whom expected me to be there, that I was not going, and why I was not going — based on information that Richard Spencer was unwilling to share.

    Nor did I “sabotage” anything — unless it was NPI’s plan to keep people in the dark in the hope that they would be able to cobble together an alternative conference at the last minute, which seems unlikely given the fact that the Hungarian government has expelled at least one person involved with NPI, and Richard Spencer, last I heard, had not even tried to enter Hungary.

    I have a lot of disagreements with the direction that Spencer has been taking NPI and Radix in recent months. He has basically abandoned ethnonationalism and turned into an apologist for Dugin and reactionary Russian chauvinism. But I still wished to attend the conference and wanted it to be a success.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/09/budapest-conference-update/#comment-56081

    ok, but the mere mention of ‘sabotage’ etc, brings up the question. I know GJ very well, with his history of bilking people out of their money, including a failed attempt with myself, and other WN groups.

    Poisonous and psychopathology….you have to have had personal experience with the character. He once said in one of his seances that I attended a few years ago…with regard to storing food for disasters to come, ” Oh, I don’t bother with this, I will just go next door and kill someone for their food.” Funny, or psychopathology? There are others as well. Jokes always reveal character.

    GJ is capable of anything, including signing up with our enemies if he is paid. Do not believe anything he says, anything.

    WN is dead thanks to guys like Spencer and Johnson. For the time being anyway. When Trump fails to deliver, another chapter will begin. Call ourselves race realists…that has a chance.

    No country or anything else can survive when based on Lies, especially the race equality lie of the century, or, last half century, championed by Jews but genetically fostered by White altruism.

    Joe Webb

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    Mr. Johnson does not strike me as a psychopath, Mr. Webb.

    I have studied and researched psychopaths and psychopathy for many years, because I had personal interactions with a psychopath (his father was a white-collar career criminal and was eventually murdered by one of the people he wronged. You will read further down below why this information is relevant when it comes to psychopathy.).

    The following statement in his recent Thanksgiving message about dogs is very uncharacteristic psychopathic behavior, which usually is not sincerely caring and compassionate in this kind of way towards animals, etc.:

    On behalf of everyone at Counter-Currents, I want to wish all our US readers safe travels and a happy Thanksgiving. (And please don’t let your dogs eat turkey bones.)
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/happy-thanksgiving-2/


    I think Mr. Johnson may be mildly autistic, but the same thing has been said about me before. It might just be a symptom and sign of his above average intelligence. Sometimes highly intelligent people have a certain disdain or disgust for their fellow human beings, because they see them cause so much havoc and destruction to Planet Earth and its (non-human) inhabitants.

    Who are the real psychopaths, people who oppose, or people who promote the unsustainable human overpopulation of Planet Earth?

    There are certain issues, which, I think, Mr. Johnson has some strange and contradictory opinions on, but it is nothing too major, and other Counter-Currents readers have pointed these flaws and inconsistencies in his thinking out to him. This is also the part that is relevant to psychopathy, and the psychopath I had interactions with and his father:


    Rebes
    Posted April 11, 2016 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    It’s a lifelong complication because women who give babies up for adoption tend to experience long-term regret and sorrow more so than women who abort. You are literally suggesting imposing long-term suffering on an innocent woman who did nothing, all for the sake of some criminal sprog.

    Furthermore, sexual offending has a huge genetic component. A twin study out of Denmark demonstrated this. Criminality in general has genetic underpinnings. Do ALL children of criminals grow up to be criminals? No of course not. But plenty do. It is eugenic to abort the babies of [criminals/psychopaths].

    If a white society aborted all rape fetuses over a significant length of time, rape would be eliminated. The only reason it persists is because we haven’t done a good enough job of making sure it is completely non-viable in a reproductive sense. Abort rape fetuses, sterilize rapists, and strongly encourage any children the rapist may already have had to consent to sterilization, and rape is gone even quicker. Same deal with many other criminal behaviors.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/04/abortion-and-white-nationalism/#comment-1191110

    I actually credit both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Spencer with initiating one of the most important ideological changes and evolutions within the Alt Right movement, and this is the reason why it is so much more disappointing and saddening to me to see Mr. Spencer sabotage and taint much of the good work he has done in past for the Alt Right movement by not being more careful and measured when it mattered most:

    Radix Journal publishing the two following articles, in my opinion, was the most crucial turning point and moment in the history of the Alt Right movement, and which decoupled it from Catholic dogma/control, which had held it back and weakened it prior:

    The alt Right, for both our own principles and the greater good, must oppose the pro-life agenda.
     
    The Pro-Life Temptation
    Aylmer Fisher · April 8, 2016

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/8/the-pro-life-temptation

    Unintended Consequences
    T. M. Goddard · April 13, 2016

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/13/unintended-consequences

    In October 2015 Alt Right website Counter-Currents had published a piece in a similar vein:
    White Nationalists Need Planned Parenthood, Not the Pope
    Patrick Le Brun

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/10/white-nationalists-need-planned-parenthood-not-the-pope/
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/what-can-msmclinton-say-about-alt-right-that-theyve-not-already-said-about-trumpgop/#comment-1561897
  79. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    FWIW Johnson is gay, not Spencer. Spencer is bisexual and was married.

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  80. FKA Max says: • Website
    @joe webb
    ok, but the mere mention of 'sabotage' etc, brings up the question. I know GJ very well, with his history of bilking people out of their money, including a failed attempt with myself, and other WN groups.

    Poisonous and psychopathology....you have to have had personal experience with the character. He once said in one of his seances that I attended a few years ago...with regard to storing food for disasters to come, " Oh, I don't bother with this, I will just go next door and kill someone for their food." Funny, or psychopathology? There are others as well. Jokes always reveal character.

    GJ is capable of anything, including signing up with our enemies if he is paid. Do not believe anything he says, anything.

    WN is dead thanks to guys like Spencer and Johnson. For the time being anyway. When Trump fails to deliver, another chapter will begin. Call ourselves race realists...that has a chance.

    No country or anything else can survive when based on Lies, especially the race equality lie of the century, or, last half century, championed by Jews but genetically fostered by White altruism.

    Joe Webb

    Mr. Johnson does not strike me as a psychopath, Mr. Webb.

    I have studied and researched psychopaths and psychopathy for many years, because I had personal interactions with a psychopath (his father was a white-collar career criminal and was eventually murdered by one of the people he wronged. You will read further down below why this information is relevant when it comes to psychopathy.).

    The following statement in his recent Thanksgiving message about dogs is very uncharacteristic psychopathic behavior, which usually is not sincerely caring and compassionate in this kind of way towards animals, etc.:

    On behalf of everyone at Counter-Currents, I want to wish all our US readers safe travels and a happy Thanksgiving. (And please don’t let your dogs eat turkey bones.)

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/happy-thanksgiving-2/

    I think Mr. Johnson may be mildly autistic, but the same thing has been said about me before. It might just be a symptom and sign of his above average intelligence. Sometimes highly intelligent people have a certain disdain or disgust for their fellow human beings, because they see them cause so much havoc and destruction to Planet Earth and its (non-human) inhabitants.

    Who are the real psychopaths, people who oppose, or people who promote the unsustainable human overpopulation of Planet Earth?

    There are certain issues, which, I think, Mr. Johnson has some strange and contradictory opinions on, but it is nothing too major, and other Counter-Currents readers have pointed these flaws and inconsistencies in his thinking out to him. This is also the part that is relevant to psychopathy, and the psychopath I had interactions with and his father:

    Rebes
    Posted April 11, 2016 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    It’s a lifelong complication because women who give babies up for adoption tend to experience long-term regret and sorrow more so than women who abort. You are literally suggesting imposing long-term suffering on an innocent woman who did nothing, all for the sake of some criminal sprog.

    Furthermore, sexual offending has a huge genetic component. A twin study out of Denmark demonstrated this. Criminality in general has genetic underpinnings. Do ALL children of criminals grow up to be criminals? No of course not. But plenty do. It is eugenic to abort the babies of [criminals/psychopaths].

    If a white society aborted all rape fetuses over a significant length of time, rape would be eliminated. The only reason it persists is because we haven’t done a good enough job of making sure it is completely non-viable in a reproductive sense. Abort rape fetuses, sterilize rapists, and strongly encourage any children the rapist may already have had to consent to sterilization, and rape is gone even quicker. Same deal with many other criminal behaviors.

    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/04/abortion-and-white-nationalism/#comment-1191110

    I actually credit both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Spencer with initiating one of the most important ideological changes and evolutions within the Alt Right movement, and this is the reason why it is so much more disappointing and saddening to me to see Mr. Spencer sabotage and taint much of the good work he has done in past for the Alt Right movement by not being more careful and measured when it mattered most:

    Radix Journal publishing the two following articles, in my opinion, was the most crucial turning point and moment in the history of the Alt Right movement, and which decoupled it from Catholic dogma/control, which had held it back and weakened it prior:

    The alt Right, for both our own principles and the greater good, must oppose the pro-life agenda.

    The Pro-Life Temptation
    Aylmer Fisher · April 8, 2016

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/8/the-pro-life-temptation

    Unintended Consequences
    T. M. Goddard · April 13, 2016

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/13/unintended-consequences

    In October 2015 Alt Right website Counter-Currents had published a piece in a similar vein:
    White Nationalists Need Planned Parenthood, Not the Pope
    Patrick Le Brun

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/10/white-nationalists-need-planned-parenthood-not-the-pope/

    http://www.unz.com/article/what-can-msmclinton-say-about-alt-right-that-theyve-not-already-said-about-trumpgop/#comment-1561897

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    I think their opposition to the pro-life viewpoint has more to do with them being gay and bisexual. Non-heterosexuals, as well as certain heterosexuals such as older, childless career woman types, often have an instinctual dislike of natalism and more family oriented lifestyles. Johnson has published articles and writers critical of "family values" and has extolled childless, left wing type lifestyles, advocating a synthesis with nationalism that he calls "west coast nationalism." Both Johnson and Spencer seem to have an instrumental view of the family and children in which they are seen as instruments of power and the State which are controlled by men like themselves.
    , @joe webb
    Say What? "....actually credit both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Spencer with initiating one of the most important ideological changes and evolutions within the Alt Right movement..." I wonder if you are aware of the old days...back to like Wilmot Robertson and so on. These guys, like Francis, etc. wrote all the fundamentals and there is nothing new except for updates.

    And what exactly is that and what has the Catholic Church got to with WN, etc?

    Your reading around in psychopathology...is one thing, direct personal experience with GJ is another, and I and a number of folks have had plenty of it with GJ. I got more stories but will leave it alone.

    Since I am a fast learner, I learned quick not to bother with Spencer. Then again, when I read one piece by the flamer Donovan, that was also the last piece. Nuts. Nobody nuttier than a pink nazi flamer. Liberals/commies are just ordinary Utopian kids, B students, etc, and killers to be sure, but barely noteworthy in their psychological profiles. Common, predictable, and boring.

    GJ beats out Spencer in knowledge, and when he sticks close to facts, has been useful, up to a point. However, once you understand that he is a nazi, everything he touches must be sized up per that signal fact.

    The homosexual angle is not important, except that just about every queer I have known has been nutty in some major psychological regard. To repeat, egoism, pissiness, flamer type hype in everything from politics to you name it. The sex is especially repugnant to me, but lots of heteros behave similarly.

    Because a guy loves his dog does show that he is not a total psychopath, but , speaking of the Catholic Church, it instructs us to Love The World, as I recall, and that includes both punishing, expelling, etc. our enemies. However it prevents bloody thoughts from morphing into bloody action, if it can be avoided. Murder and genocide is to be avoided, and that can be accomplished by ethnic cleansing...back to wherever the muds came from, and resegregation of blacks in the US, if they don't accept a subaltern position, commensurate with their 85 average IQ, etc.

    Again please discuss the putative contributions of these guys....the only stand out for me is their nazism. Totally without redeeming use here in our time. And a total non-starter with regard to our people. These nazis should be expelled, even if that means splitting WN into two or more groups. Nazis Out.

    Race Realism, along the lines of AM Ren is the only possible road ahead.. a bit boring for the flamers I guess.

    Joe Webb
  81. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max
    Mr. Johnson does not strike me as a psychopath, Mr. Webb.

    I have studied and researched psychopaths and psychopathy for many years, because I had personal interactions with a psychopath (his father was a white-collar career criminal and was eventually murdered by one of the people he wronged. You will read further down below why this information is relevant when it comes to psychopathy.).

    The following statement in his recent Thanksgiving message about dogs is very uncharacteristic psychopathic behavior, which usually is not sincerely caring and compassionate in this kind of way towards animals, etc.:

    On behalf of everyone at Counter-Currents, I want to wish all our US readers safe travels and a happy Thanksgiving. (And please don’t let your dogs eat turkey bones.)
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/happy-thanksgiving-2/


    I think Mr. Johnson may be mildly autistic, but the same thing has been said about me before. It might just be a symptom and sign of his above average intelligence. Sometimes highly intelligent people have a certain disdain or disgust for their fellow human beings, because they see them cause so much havoc and destruction to Planet Earth and its (non-human) inhabitants.

    Who are the real psychopaths, people who oppose, or people who promote the unsustainable human overpopulation of Planet Earth?

    There are certain issues, which, I think, Mr. Johnson has some strange and contradictory opinions on, but it is nothing too major, and other Counter-Currents readers have pointed these flaws and inconsistencies in his thinking out to him. This is also the part that is relevant to psychopathy, and the psychopath I had interactions with and his father:


    Rebes
    Posted April 11, 2016 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    It’s a lifelong complication because women who give babies up for adoption tend to experience long-term regret and sorrow more so than women who abort. You are literally suggesting imposing long-term suffering on an innocent woman who did nothing, all for the sake of some criminal sprog.

    Furthermore, sexual offending has a huge genetic component. A twin study out of Denmark demonstrated this. Criminality in general has genetic underpinnings. Do ALL children of criminals grow up to be criminals? No of course not. But plenty do. It is eugenic to abort the babies of [criminals/psychopaths].

    If a white society aborted all rape fetuses over a significant length of time, rape would be eliminated. The only reason it persists is because we haven’t done a good enough job of making sure it is completely non-viable in a reproductive sense. Abort rape fetuses, sterilize rapists, and strongly encourage any children the rapist may already have had to consent to sterilization, and rape is gone even quicker. Same deal with many other criminal behaviors.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/04/abortion-and-white-nationalism/#comment-1191110

    I actually credit both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Spencer with initiating one of the most important ideological changes and evolutions within the Alt Right movement, and this is the reason why it is so much more disappointing and saddening to me to see Mr. Spencer sabotage and taint much of the good work he has done in past for the Alt Right movement by not being more careful and measured when it mattered most:

    Radix Journal publishing the two following articles, in my opinion, was the most crucial turning point and moment in the history of the Alt Right movement, and which decoupled it from Catholic dogma/control, which had held it back and weakened it prior:

    The alt Right, for both our own principles and the greater good, must oppose the pro-life agenda.
     
    The Pro-Life Temptation
    Aylmer Fisher · April 8, 2016

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/8/the-pro-life-temptation

    Unintended Consequences
    T. M. Goddard · April 13, 2016

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/13/unintended-consequences

    In October 2015 Alt Right website Counter-Currents had published a piece in a similar vein:
    White Nationalists Need Planned Parenthood, Not the Pope
    Patrick Le Brun

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/10/white-nationalists-need-planned-parenthood-not-the-pope/
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/what-can-msmclinton-say-about-alt-right-that-theyve-not-already-said-about-trumpgop/#comment-1561897

    I think their opposition to the pro-life viewpoint has more to do with them being gay and bisexual. Non-heterosexuals, as well as certain heterosexuals such as older, childless career woman types, often have an instinctual dislike of natalism and more family oriented lifestyles. Johnson has published articles and writers critical of “family values” and has extolled childless, left wing type lifestyles, advocating a synthesis with nationalism that he calls “west coast nationalism.” Both Johnson and Spencer seem to have an instrumental view of the family and children in which they are seen as instruments of power and the State which are controlled by men like themselves.

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    I think high IQ is the determining factor for these attitudes, not sexual orientation.

    This discussion actually reminds of John Maynard Keynes. Keynes was 6 feet and 5 or 6 inches tall; height was found to be correlated with IQ.

    Wherever one's starting point is on the political/ideological spectrum - Right, Left or Center - eventually high IQ individuals usually arrive at similar conclusions about the realities of Life. Keynes sounds pretty Alt Rigthish or Alt Leftish to me here:

    Political opponents have used Keynes's sexuality to attack his academic work.[145] One line of attack held that he was uninterested in the long term ramifications of his theories because he had no children.[145]

    Keynes's friends in the Bloomsbury Group were initially surprised when, in his later years, he began dating and pursuing affairs with women,[146] demonstrating himself to be bisexual.[147]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Relationships

    Keynes sometimes explained the mass murder that took place during the first years of communist Russia on a racial basis, as part of the “Russian and Jewish nature”, rather than as a result of the communist rule. After a trip to Russia, he wrote in his Short View of Russia that there is "beastliness on the Russian and Jewish natures when, as now, they are allied together". He also wrote that "out of the cruelty and stupidity of the Old Russia nothing could ever emerge, but (...) beneath the cruelty and stupidity of the New Russia a speck of the ideal may lie hid", which together with other comments may be construed as anti-Russian and antisemitic.[130] [...] Keynes was a supporter of Zionism, serving on committees supporting the cause.[133]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Views_on_race

    Keynes was a proponent of eugenics. He served as director of the British Eugenics Society from 1937 to 1944. As late as 1946, shortly before his death, Keynes declared eugenics to be "the most important, significant and, I would add, genuine branch of sociology which exists."[165]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Political_causes

    For these strong reasons, therefore, I am inclined to the belief that, after the transition is accomplished, a greater measure of national self-sufficiency and economic isolation among countries than existed in 1914 may tend to serve the cause of peace, rather than otherwise. At any rate, the age of economic internationalism was not particularly successful in avoiding war; and if its friends retort, that the imperfection of its success never gave it a fair chance, it is reasonable to point out that a greater success is scarcely probable in the coming years.
     
    - https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/interwar/keynes.htm


    As Vox Day recently wrote:

    This is something both conservatives and constitutionalists very much need to understand. You CANNOT and you WILL NOT avoid domestic conflict, quite possibly on a civil war-scale level, by clinging to ideals that have already failed in almost every possible way. You have ONE CHANCE to avoid the balkanization scenario, and that is by adopting the Alt-Right program and aggressively pushing the God-Emperor Ascendant to adopt it. There is absolutely NOTHING about the conservative and constitutional programs that will relieve the internal stresses that are already pushing the USA to the snapping point.

    Some of you whine that there are Nazis and ultras and neos and extremists in the Alt-Right. That's right. There are. And those are precisely the radicals who will rapidly come to the fore if Trump, the nationalist elite, and the Alt-Right fail to reduce the internal stress, the globalists return to power, and the balkanization scenario begins to play out.
    Look at Ukraine. Look at Hungary. Look at Yugoslavia. Which of those three political entities is in the best shape, and why?
     
    - http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-party-of-reagan-is-dead.html
  82. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    I think their opposition to the pro-life viewpoint has more to do with them being gay and bisexual. Non-heterosexuals, as well as certain heterosexuals such as older, childless career woman types, often have an instinctual dislike of natalism and more family oriented lifestyles. Johnson has published articles and writers critical of "family values" and has extolled childless, left wing type lifestyles, advocating a synthesis with nationalism that he calls "west coast nationalism." Both Johnson and Spencer seem to have an instrumental view of the family and children in which they are seen as instruments of power and the State which are controlled by men like themselves.

    I think high IQ is the determining factor for these attitudes, not sexual orientation.

    This discussion actually reminds of John Maynard Keynes. Keynes was 6 feet and 5 or 6 inches tall; height was found to be correlated with IQ.

    Wherever one’s starting point is on the political/ideological spectrum – Right, Left or Center – eventually high IQ individuals usually arrive at similar conclusions about the realities of Life. Keynes sounds pretty Alt Rigthish or Alt Leftish to me here:

    Political opponents have used Keynes’s sexuality to attack his academic work.[145] One line of attack held that he was uninterested in the long term ramifications of his theories because he had no children.[145]

    Keynes’s friends in the Bloomsbury Group were initially surprised when, in his later years, he began dating and pursuing affairs with women,[146] demonstrating himself to be bisexual.[147]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Relationships

    Keynes sometimes explained the mass murder that took place during the first years of communist Russia on a racial basis, as part of the “Russian and Jewish nature”, rather than as a result of the communist rule. After a trip to Russia, he wrote in his Short View of Russia that there is “beastliness on the Russian and Jewish natures when, as now, they are allied together”. He also wrote that “out of the cruelty and stupidity of the Old Russia nothing could ever emerge, but (…) beneath the cruelty and stupidity of the New Russia a speck of the ideal may lie hid”, which together with other comments may be construed as anti-Russian and antisemitic.[130] [...] Keynes was a supporter of Zionism, serving on committees supporting the cause.[133]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Views_on_race

    Keynes was a proponent of eugenics. He served as director of the British Eugenics Society from 1937 to 1944. As late as 1946, shortly before his death, Keynes declared eugenics to be “the most important, significant and, I would add, genuine branch of sociology which exists.”[165]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Political_causes

    For these strong reasons, therefore, I am inclined to the belief that, after the transition is accomplished, a greater measure of national self-sufficiency and economic isolation among countries than existed in 1914 may tend to serve the cause of peace, rather than otherwise. At any rate, the age of economic internationalism was not particularly successful in avoiding war; and if its friends retort, that the imperfection of its success never gave it a fair chance, it is reasonable to point out that a greater success is scarcely probable in the coming years.

    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/interwar/keynes.htm

    As Vox Day recently wrote:

    This is something both conservatives and constitutionalists very much need to understand. You CANNOT and you WILL NOT avoid domestic conflict, quite possibly on a civil war-scale level, by clinging to ideals that have already failed in almost every possible way. You have ONE CHANCE to avoid the balkanization scenario, and that is by adopting the Alt-Right program and aggressively pushing the God-Emperor Ascendant to adopt it. There is absolutely NOTHING about the conservative and constitutional programs that will relieve the internal stresses that are already pushing the USA to the snapping point.

    Some of you whine that there are Nazis and ultras and neos and extremists in the Alt-Right. That’s right. There are. And those are precisely the radicals who will rapidly come to the fore if Trump, the nationalist elite, and the Alt-Right fail to reduce the internal stress, the globalists return to power, and the balkanization scenario begins to play out.
    Look at Ukraine. Look at Hungary. Look at Yugoslavia. Which of those three political entities is in the best shape, and why?

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-party-of-reagan-is-dead.html

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    Keynes was also a homosexual and a pedophile. Are you suggesting that homosexuality and pedophilia are correlated with high IQ, height, and holding alt-right views?

    From The Party Culture War by Steve Johnson:

    Keynes was also openly homosexual, and he recorded many of his same-sex encounters in the diaries that he kept. Two of his great loves were the artist Duncan Grant and writer Lytton Strachey, the latter of whom described Keynes as "a liberal and a sodomite, an atheist and a statistician." He married a Russian ballerina in 1925, but he maintained a relationship with a younger man during the courtship.

    Keynes's particular depravity appears to have been pedophilia. He and his homosexual friends often went to resorts along the Mediterranean Sea, where little boys were sold to bordellos by their parents. He took advantage of the bitter poverty he witnessed in North Africa, Italy, and the Middle East and purchased male child prostitutes for English shillings. In his communications, he advised his friends to go to Tunis, "Where 'bed and boy' were also not expensive.
     
    From Keynes: A Critical Life by David Felix:

    [Keynes] advised Lytton, who was going on a holiday to Tunis and Sicily, on modalities "if you want to go where the naked boys dance." Responding to his friend's scatological taste, he closed with the lines from a poem: "We paid our suit to Janus/ Mistook the one mouth for the other anus." He himself was going to join an old classmate, now a colonial officer there: "I'm leaving for Egypt. . . . I just learned that 'bed and boy' is prepared."
     
  83. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max
    I think high IQ is the determining factor for these attitudes, not sexual orientation.

    This discussion actually reminds of John Maynard Keynes. Keynes was 6 feet and 5 or 6 inches tall; height was found to be correlated with IQ.

    Wherever one's starting point is on the political/ideological spectrum - Right, Left or Center - eventually high IQ individuals usually arrive at similar conclusions about the realities of Life. Keynes sounds pretty Alt Rigthish or Alt Leftish to me here:

    Political opponents have used Keynes's sexuality to attack his academic work.[145] One line of attack held that he was uninterested in the long term ramifications of his theories because he had no children.[145]

    Keynes's friends in the Bloomsbury Group were initially surprised when, in his later years, he began dating and pursuing affairs with women,[146] demonstrating himself to be bisexual.[147]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Relationships

    Keynes sometimes explained the mass murder that took place during the first years of communist Russia on a racial basis, as part of the “Russian and Jewish nature”, rather than as a result of the communist rule. After a trip to Russia, he wrote in his Short View of Russia that there is "beastliness on the Russian and Jewish natures when, as now, they are allied together". He also wrote that "out of the cruelty and stupidity of the Old Russia nothing could ever emerge, but (...) beneath the cruelty and stupidity of the New Russia a speck of the ideal may lie hid", which together with other comments may be construed as anti-Russian and antisemitic.[130] [...] Keynes was a supporter of Zionism, serving on committees supporting the cause.[133]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Views_on_race

    Keynes was a proponent of eugenics. He served as director of the British Eugenics Society from 1937 to 1944. As late as 1946, shortly before his death, Keynes declared eugenics to be "the most important, significant and, I would add, genuine branch of sociology which exists."[165]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Political_causes

    For these strong reasons, therefore, I am inclined to the belief that, after the transition is accomplished, a greater measure of national self-sufficiency and economic isolation among countries than existed in 1914 may tend to serve the cause of peace, rather than otherwise. At any rate, the age of economic internationalism was not particularly successful in avoiding war; and if its friends retort, that the imperfection of its success never gave it a fair chance, it is reasonable to point out that a greater success is scarcely probable in the coming years.
     
    - https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/interwar/keynes.htm


    As Vox Day recently wrote:

    This is something both conservatives and constitutionalists very much need to understand. You CANNOT and you WILL NOT avoid domestic conflict, quite possibly on a civil war-scale level, by clinging to ideals that have already failed in almost every possible way. You have ONE CHANCE to avoid the balkanization scenario, and that is by adopting the Alt-Right program and aggressively pushing the God-Emperor Ascendant to adopt it. There is absolutely NOTHING about the conservative and constitutional programs that will relieve the internal stresses that are already pushing the USA to the snapping point.

    Some of you whine that there are Nazis and ultras and neos and extremists in the Alt-Right. That's right. There are. And those are precisely the radicals who will rapidly come to the fore if Trump, the nationalist elite, and the Alt-Right fail to reduce the internal stress, the globalists return to power, and the balkanization scenario begins to play out.
    Look at Ukraine. Look at Hungary. Look at Yugoslavia. Which of those three political entities is in the best shape, and why?
     
    - http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-party-of-reagan-is-dead.html

    Keynes was also a homosexual and a pedophile. Are you suggesting that homosexuality and pedophilia are correlated with high IQ, height, and holding alt-right views?

    From The Party Culture War by Steve Johnson:

    Keynes was also openly homosexual, and he recorded many of his same-sex encounters in the diaries that he kept. Two of his great loves were the artist Duncan Grant and writer Lytton Strachey, the latter of whom described Keynes as “a liberal and a sodomite, an atheist and a statistician.” He married a Russian ballerina in 1925, but he maintained a relationship with a younger man during the courtship.

    Keynes’s particular depravity appears to have been pedophilia. He and his homosexual friends often went to resorts along the Mediterranean Sea, where little boys were sold to bordellos by their parents. He took advantage of the bitter poverty he witnessed in North Africa, Italy, and the Middle East and purchased male child prostitutes for English shillings. In his communications, he advised his friends to go to Tunis, “Where ‘bed and boy’ were also not expensive.

    From Keynes: A Critical Life by David Felix:

    [Keynes] advised Lytton, who was going on a holiday to Tunis and Sicily, on modalities “if you want to go where the naked boys dance.” Responding to his friend’s scatological taste, he closed with the lines from a poem: “We paid our suit to Janus/ Mistook the one mouth for the other anus.” He himself was going to join an old classmate, now a colonial officer there: “I’m leaving for Egypt. . . . I just learned that ‘bed and boy’ is prepared.”

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    Incidentally, like Keynes, Spencer was married to a Russian while maintaining relations with men.
    , @FKA Max
    I don't know if the Tea Party sources you cited about Keynes' sexual preferences can be considered to be the gold standard of objectivity and honesty. Also, as I said above, I think, these discussions and this gossip about people's sexual orientation and weight, etc. are a distraction and unproductive.

    Here is a little more objective take on Keynes' sexual behavior, just to offer an 'alternative' viewpoint on the issue:

    Was John Maynard Keynes a child molester?

    Your definition of "molesting" and "pederasty" are likely based on your personal beliefs, so I do not know if this is helpful or not.

    There is a reference in the original Conservapedia article to this article in the Economist

    That article examines Keynes' own sex diaries:

    The first diary is easy: Keynes lists his sexual partners, either by their initials (GLS for Lytton Strachey, DG for Duncan Grant) or their nicknames ("Tressider," for J. T. Sheppard, the King's College Provost). When he apparently had a quick, anonymous hook-up, he listed that sex partner generically: "16-year-old under Etna" and "Lift boy of Vauxhall" in 1911, for instance, and "Jew boy," in 1912.
     
    Born in mid 1883, he would have been about 28 in 1911.

    So, according to his diaries, he had sex with a 16-year-old, while aged 28, and others that he described as "boys" (which can be a broad term for ages).

    I don't know if the age of consent has changed recently in Italy (which I assumed is the Etna referred to), but it is currently 14 years old, so if he did that today, he would not be committing a crime.

    Judging historical figures' behaviour by today's/local social mores is often tricky. (Somehow, I don't think he would have written it in his diary if he knew, a century later, the semantics would be debated in public.)

    And, of course, his ideas should be argued on their merits, not on his taste in sexual partners.
     
    - http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2802/was-john-maynard-keynes-a-child-molester


    In any event, this was precisely my and, I think, Vox Day's point also; the Alt Right is neither Conservatism Inc. ('conservatives') nor is it the Tea Party ('constitutionalists'), it is a completely new movement, and, in my opinion, it is much more intelligent and savvy than either one of them.

    This is why the Establishment is so afraid of it.

    I hope Richard Spencer will show more prudence and savviness going forward.
  84. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Keynes was also a homosexual and a pedophile. Are you suggesting that homosexuality and pedophilia are correlated with high IQ, height, and holding alt-right views?

    From The Party Culture War by Steve Johnson:

    Keynes was also openly homosexual, and he recorded many of his same-sex encounters in the diaries that he kept. Two of his great loves were the artist Duncan Grant and writer Lytton Strachey, the latter of whom described Keynes as "a liberal and a sodomite, an atheist and a statistician." He married a Russian ballerina in 1925, but he maintained a relationship with a younger man during the courtship.

    Keynes's particular depravity appears to have been pedophilia. He and his homosexual friends often went to resorts along the Mediterranean Sea, where little boys were sold to bordellos by their parents. He took advantage of the bitter poverty he witnessed in North Africa, Italy, and the Middle East and purchased male child prostitutes for English shillings. In his communications, he advised his friends to go to Tunis, "Where 'bed and boy' were also not expensive.
     
    From Keynes: A Critical Life by David Felix:

    [Keynes] advised Lytton, who was going on a holiday to Tunis and Sicily, on modalities "if you want to go where the naked boys dance." Responding to his friend's scatological taste, he closed with the lines from a poem: "We paid our suit to Janus/ Mistook the one mouth for the other anus." He himself was going to join an old classmate, now a colonial officer there: "I'm leaving for Egypt. . . . I just learned that 'bed and boy' is prepared."
     

    Incidentally, like Keynes, Spencer was married to a Russian while maintaining relations with men.

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  85. joe webb says:
    @FKA Max
    Mr. Johnson does not strike me as a psychopath, Mr. Webb.

    I have studied and researched psychopaths and psychopathy for many years, because I had personal interactions with a psychopath (his father was a white-collar career criminal and was eventually murdered by one of the people he wronged. You will read further down below why this information is relevant when it comes to psychopathy.).

    The following statement in his recent Thanksgiving message about dogs is very uncharacteristic psychopathic behavior, which usually is not sincerely caring and compassionate in this kind of way towards animals, etc.:

    On behalf of everyone at Counter-Currents, I want to wish all our US readers safe travels and a happy Thanksgiving. (And please don’t let your dogs eat turkey bones.)
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/11/happy-thanksgiving-2/


    I think Mr. Johnson may be mildly autistic, but the same thing has been said about me before. It might just be a symptom and sign of his above average intelligence. Sometimes highly intelligent people have a certain disdain or disgust for their fellow human beings, because they see them cause so much havoc and destruction to Planet Earth and its (non-human) inhabitants.

    Who are the real psychopaths, people who oppose, or people who promote the unsustainable human overpopulation of Planet Earth?

    There are certain issues, which, I think, Mr. Johnson has some strange and contradictory opinions on, but it is nothing too major, and other Counter-Currents readers have pointed these flaws and inconsistencies in his thinking out to him. This is also the part that is relevant to psychopathy, and the psychopath I had interactions with and his father:


    Rebes
    Posted April 11, 2016 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    It’s a lifelong complication because women who give babies up for adoption tend to experience long-term regret and sorrow more so than women who abort. You are literally suggesting imposing long-term suffering on an innocent woman who did nothing, all for the sake of some criminal sprog.

    Furthermore, sexual offending has a huge genetic component. A twin study out of Denmark demonstrated this. Criminality in general has genetic underpinnings. Do ALL children of criminals grow up to be criminals? No of course not. But plenty do. It is eugenic to abort the babies of [criminals/psychopaths].

    If a white society aborted all rape fetuses over a significant length of time, rape would be eliminated. The only reason it persists is because we haven’t done a good enough job of making sure it is completely non-viable in a reproductive sense. Abort rape fetuses, sterilize rapists, and strongly encourage any children the rapist may already have had to consent to sterilization, and rape is gone even quicker. Same deal with many other criminal behaviors.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/04/abortion-and-white-nationalism/#comment-1191110

    I actually credit both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Spencer with initiating one of the most important ideological changes and evolutions within the Alt Right movement, and this is the reason why it is so much more disappointing and saddening to me to see Mr. Spencer sabotage and taint much of the good work he has done in past for the Alt Right movement by not being more careful and measured when it mattered most:

    Radix Journal publishing the two following articles, in my opinion, was the most crucial turning point and moment in the history of the Alt Right movement, and which decoupled it from Catholic dogma/control, which had held it back and weakened it prior:

    The alt Right, for both our own principles and the greater good, must oppose the pro-life agenda.
     
    The Pro-Life Temptation
    Aylmer Fisher · April 8, 2016

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/8/the-pro-life-temptation

    Unintended Consequences
    T. M. Goddard · April 13, 2016

    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/13/unintended-consequences

    In October 2015 Alt Right website Counter-Currents had published a piece in a similar vein:
    White Nationalists Need Planned Parenthood, Not the Pope
    Patrick Le Brun

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/10/white-nationalists-need-planned-parenthood-not-the-pope/
     
    - http://www.unz.com/article/what-can-msmclinton-say-about-alt-right-that-theyve-not-already-said-about-trumpgop/#comment-1561897

    Say What? “….actually credit both Mr. Johnson and Mr. Spencer with initiating one of the most important ideological changes and evolutions within the Alt Right movement…” I wonder if you are aware of the old days…back to like Wilmot Robertson and so on. These guys, like Francis, etc. wrote all the fundamentals and there is nothing new except for updates.

    And what exactly is that and what has the Catholic Church got to with WN, etc?

    Your reading around in psychopathology…is one thing, direct personal experience with GJ is another, and I and a number of folks have had plenty of it with GJ. I got more stories but will leave it alone.

    Since I am a fast learner, I learned quick not to bother with Spencer. Then again, when I read one piece by the flamer Donovan, that was also the last piece. Nuts. Nobody nuttier than a pink nazi flamer. Liberals/commies are just ordinary Utopian kids, B students, etc, and killers to be sure, but barely noteworthy in their psychological profiles. Common, predictable, and boring.

    GJ beats out Spencer in knowledge, and when he sticks close to facts, has been useful, up to a point. However, once you understand that he is a nazi, everything he touches must be sized up per that signal fact.

    The homosexual angle is not important, except that just about every queer I have known has been nutty in some major psychological regard. To repeat, egoism, pissiness, flamer type hype in everything from politics to you name it. The sex is especially repugnant to me, but lots of heteros behave similarly.

    Because a guy loves his dog does show that he is not a total psychopath, but , speaking of the Catholic Church, it instructs us to Love The World, as I recall, and that includes both punishing, expelling, etc. our enemies. However it prevents bloody thoughts from morphing into bloody action, if it can be avoided. Murder and genocide is to be avoided, and that can be accomplished by ethnic cleansing…back to wherever the muds came from, and resegregation of blacks in the US, if they don’t accept a subaltern position, commensurate with their 85 average IQ, etc.

    Again please discuss the putative contributions of these guys….the only stand out for me is their nazism. Totally without redeeming use here in our time. And a total non-starter with regard to our people. These nazis should be expelled, even if that means splitting WN into two or more groups. Nazis Out.

    Race Realism, along the lines of AM Ren is the only possible road ahead.. a bit boring for the flamers I guess.

    Joe Webb

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  86. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Keynes was also a homosexual and a pedophile. Are you suggesting that homosexuality and pedophilia are correlated with high IQ, height, and holding alt-right views?

    From The Party Culture War by Steve Johnson:

    Keynes was also openly homosexual, and he recorded many of his same-sex encounters in the diaries that he kept. Two of his great loves were the artist Duncan Grant and writer Lytton Strachey, the latter of whom described Keynes as "a liberal and a sodomite, an atheist and a statistician." He married a Russian ballerina in 1925, but he maintained a relationship with a younger man during the courtship.

    Keynes's particular depravity appears to have been pedophilia. He and his homosexual friends often went to resorts along the Mediterranean Sea, where little boys were sold to bordellos by their parents. He took advantage of the bitter poverty he witnessed in North Africa, Italy, and the Middle East and purchased male child prostitutes for English shillings. In his communications, he advised his friends to go to Tunis, "Where 'bed and boy' were also not expensive.
     
    From Keynes: A Critical Life by David Felix:

    [Keynes] advised Lytton, who was going on a holiday to Tunis and Sicily, on modalities "if you want to go where the naked boys dance." Responding to his friend's scatological taste, he closed with the lines from a poem: "We paid our suit to Janus/ Mistook the one mouth for the other anus." He himself was going to join an old classmate, now a colonial officer there: "I'm leaving for Egypt. . . . I just learned that 'bed and boy' is prepared."
     

    I don’t know if the Tea Party sources you cited about Keynes’ sexual preferences can be considered to be the gold standard of objectivity and honesty. Also, as I said above, I think, these discussions and this gossip about people’s sexual orientation and weight, etc. are a distraction and unproductive.

    Here is a little more objective take on Keynes’ sexual behavior, just to offer an ‘alternative’ viewpoint on the issue:

    Was John Maynard Keynes a child molester?

    Your definition of “molesting” and “pederasty” are likely based on your personal beliefs, so I do not know if this is helpful or not.

    There is a reference in the original Conservapedia article to this article in the Economist

    That article examines Keynes’ own sex diaries:

    The first diary is easy: Keynes lists his sexual partners, either by their initials (GLS for Lytton Strachey, DG for Duncan Grant) or their nicknames (“Tressider,” for J. T. Sheppard, the King’s College Provost). When he apparently had a quick, anonymous hook-up, he listed that sex partner generically: “16-year-old under Etna” and “Lift boy of Vauxhall” in 1911, for instance, and “Jew boy,” in 1912.

    Born in mid 1883, he would have been about 28 in 1911.

    So, according to his diaries, he had sex with a 16-year-old, while aged 28, and others that he described as “boys” (which can be a broad term for ages).

    I don’t know if the age of consent has changed recently in Italy (which I assumed is the Etna referred to), but it is currently 14 years old, so if he did that today, he would not be committing a crime.

    Judging historical figures’ behaviour by today’s/local social mores is often tricky. (Somehow, I don’t think he would have written it in his diary if he knew, a century later, the semantics would be debated in public.)

    And, of course, his ideas should be argued on their merits, not on his taste in sexual partners.

    http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2802/was-john-maynard-keynes-a-child-molester

    In any event, this was precisely my and, I think, Vox Day’s point also; the Alt Right is neither Conservatism Inc. (‘conservatives’) nor is it the Tea Party (‘constitutionalists’), it is a completely new movement, and, in my opinion, it is much more intelligent and savvy than either one of them.

    This is why the Establishment is so afraid of it.

    I hope Richard Spencer will show more prudence and savviness going forward.

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    Keynes's homosexuality and pedophilia are widely acknowledged and not controversial.

    You're the one who brought up Keynes and his attributes out of the blue in some sort of vague appeal to authority. It's only fair and appropriate to look at the whole man and all his attributes, rather than pick and choose whatever is convenient for one's agenda.
  87. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max
    I don't know if the Tea Party sources you cited about Keynes' sexual preferences can be considered to be the gold standard of objectivity and honesty. Also, as I said above, I think, these discussions and this gossip about people's sexual orientation and weight, etc. are a distraction and unproductive.

    Here is a little more objective take on Keynes' sexual behavior, just to offer an 'alternative' viewpoint on the issue:

    Was John Maynard Keynes a child molester?

    Your definition of "molesting" and "pederasty" are likely based on your personal beliefs, so I do not know if this is helpful or not.

    There is a reference in the original Conservapedia article to this article in the Economist

    That article examines Keynes' own sex diaries:

    The first diary is easy: Keynes lists his sexual partners, either by their initials (GLS for Lytton Strachey, DG for Duncan Grant) or their nicknames ("Tressider," for J. T. Sheppard, the King's College Provost). When he apparently had a quick, anonymous hook-up, he listed that sex partner generically: "16-year-old under Etna" and "Lift boy of Vauxhall" in 1911, for instance, and "Jew boy," in 1912.
     
    Born in mid 1883, he would have been about 28 in 1911.

    So, according to his diaries, he had sex with a 16-year-old, while aged 28, and others that he described as "boys" (which can be a broad term for ages).

    I don't know if the age of consent has changed recently in Italy (which I assumed is the Etna referred to), but it is currently 14 years old, so if he did that today, he would not be committing a crime.

    Judging historical figures' behaviour by today's/local social mores is often tricky. (Somehow, I don't think he would have written it in his diary if he knew, a century later, the semantics would be debated in public.)

    And, of course, his ideas should be argued on their merits, not on his taste in sexual partners.
     
    - http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2802/was-john-maynard-keynes-a-child-molester


    In any event, this was precisely my and, I think, Vox Day's point also; the Alt Right is neither Conservatism Inc. ('conservatives') nor is it the Tea Party ('constitutionalists'), it is a completely new movement, and, in my opinion, it is much more intelligent and savvy than either one of them.

    This is why the Establishment is so afraid of it.

    I hope Richard Spencer will show more prudence and savviness going forward.

    Keynes’s homosexuality and pedophilia are widely acknowledged and not controversial.

    You’re the one who brought up Keynes and his attributes out of the blue in some sort of vague appeal to authority. It’s only fair and appropriate to look at the whole man and all his attributes, rather than pick and choose whatever is convenient for one’s agenda.

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    It’s only fair and appropriate to look at the whole man and all his attributes, rather than pick and choose whatever is convenient for one’s agenda.
     
    Project much!

    You are still calling him a 'pedophile!?' This is extremely disingenuous; I dare say slanderous:

    Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[1]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

    Don't you see this! You are no better than the MSM calling Richard Spencer and the Alt Right 'Neo-Nazis.'

    Man, am I triggered by this kind of ignorance and preposterousness!

    This is not even 'Fake News' you are peddling, this is just 'Stupid News!'

    Seriously makes my blood boil!

    Wow, Just Wow!
  88. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Keynes's homosexuality and pedophilia are widely acknowledged and not controversial.

    You're the one who brought up Keynes and his attributes out of the blue in some sort of vague appeal to authority. It's only fair and appropriate to look at the whole man and all his attributes, rather than pick and choose whatever is convenient for one's agenda.

    It’s only fair and appropriate to look at the whole man and all his attributes, rather than pick and choose whatever is convenient for one’s agenda.

    Project much!

    You are still calling him a ‘pedophile!?’ This is extremely disingenuous; I dare say slanderous:

    Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

    Don’t you see this! You are no better than the MSM calling Richard Spencer and the Alt Right ‘Neo-Nazis.’

    Man, am I triggered by this kind of ignorance and preposterousness!

    This is not even ‘Fake News’ you are peddling, this is just ‘Stupid News!’

    Seriously makes my blood boil!

    Wow, Just Wow!

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nobody said they were pedophiles. Johnson is a homosexual, and Spencer is bisexual. This is well known by their associates and those in alt-right circles - see the comments above by Joe Webb for example.
  89. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max

    It’s only fair and appropriate to look at the whole man and all his attributes, rather than pick and choose whatever is convenient for one’s agenda.
     
    Project much!

    You are still calling him a 'pedophile!?' This is extremely disingenuous; I dare say slanderous:

    Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.[1]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

    Don't you see this! You are no better than the MSM calling Richard Spencer and the Alt Right 'Neo-Nazis.'

    Man, am I triggered by this kind of ignorance and preposterousness!

    This is not even 'Fake News' you are peddling, this is just 'Stupid News!'

    Seriously makes my blood boil!

    Wow, Just Wow!

    Nobody said they were pedophiles. Johnson is a homosexual, and Spencer is bisexual. This is well known by their associates and those in alt-right circles – see the comments above by Joe Webb for example.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    You should choose your words and sources more carefully. Don't put your trust in the plutocrat-Koch-Bros.-controlled Tea Party or Alt Lite Infowars conspiracy theorists.

    Many of your own ancestors might be considered 'pedophiles' by today's standards:


    A 1576 law making it a felony to "unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any woman child under the age of 10 years" was generally interpreted as creating more severe punishments when girls were under 10 years old while retaining the lesser punishment for acts with 10- and 11-year-old girls. Jurist Sir Matthew Hale argued that the age of consent applied to 10- and 11-year-old girls, but most of England's North American colonies adopted the younger age. A small group of Italian and German states that introduced an age of consent in the 16th century also employed 12 years. [...] There was one exception: a man's acts with his wife, to which rape law, and hence the age of consent, did not apply.
     
    - https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230

    This table has been compiled from a combination of historical and contemporary sources. By 1880, the first date chosen, many western nations had established an age of consent for the first time, typically of 12 or 13 years.: https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24


    In the United States in the 1890s, several states had an age of consent as low as 10. In 1895, the age of consent in Delaware was 7, according to an article in The New York Times.[31]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform#United_States


    Don't participate in witch hunts, either. Brilliant minds and ideas might get damaged or lost...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing


    Turing played a pivotal role in cracking intercepted coded messages that enabled the Allies to defeat the Nazis in many crucial engagements, including the Battle of the Atlantic; it has been estimated that this work shortened the war in Europe by more than two years and saved over fourteen million lives.[6]
     

    In January 1952, Turing, then 39, started a relationship with Arnold Murray, a 19-year-old unemployed man. Turing had met Murray just before Christmas outside the Regal Cinema when walking down Manchester's Oxford Road and invited him to lunch. On 23 January Turing's house was burgled. Murray told Turing that the burglar was an acquaintance of his, and Turing reported the crime to the police. During the investigation he acknowledged a sexual relationship with Murray. Homosexual acts were criminal offences in the United Kingdom at that time,[103] and both men were charged with gross indecency under Section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885.[104] [...]

    Turing was convicted and given a choice between imprisonment and probation, which would be conditional on his agreement to undergo hormonal treatment designed to reduce libido. He accepted the option of treatment via injections of what was then called stilboestrol (now known as diethylstilbestrol or DES), a synthetic oestrogen; this treatment was continued for the course of one year. The treatment rendered Turing impotent and caused gynaecomastia,[107] fulfilling in the literal sense Turing's prediction that "no doubt I shall emerge from it all a different man, but quite who I've not found out".[108][109]
     

  90. joe webb says:

    sorry to disappoint but the Alt Right IS neo-nazi, whatever that means, as is most of WN. All you have to do is survey the dozen plus websites….and you will see that virtually all of them claim a National Socialist character.

    I like the honesty of Zundel who exclaimed, I am not a neo-nazi. I am a nazi!. Freshness amongst the babble of neo-tongues. I recall the old anti-semite and mythologist, Joseph Campbell who once said that the only organization that he belongs to is the Society for the Prevention of Continental Drift.

    Of course, his belonging to a generation that had had quite enough of nazis, jews, and commies…it was understandable. Today is another matter. I think the ancient Greeks called anybody who did not pay attention to political affairs, an idiot.

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  91. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Nobody said they were pedophiles. Johnson is a homosexual, and Spencer is bisexual. This is well known by their associates and those in alt-right circles - see the comments above by Joe Webb for example.

    You should choose your words and sources more carefully. Don’t put your trust in the plutocrat-Koch-Bros.-controlled Tea Party or Alt Lite Infowars conspiracy theorists.

    Many of your own ancestors might be considered ‘pedophiles’ by today’s standards:

    A 1576 law making it a felony to “unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any woman child under the age of 10 years” was generally interpreted as creating more severe punishments when girls were under 10 years old while retaining the lesser punishment for acts with 10- and 11-year-old girls. Jurist Sir Matthew Hale argued that the age of consent applied to 10- and 11-year-old girls, but most of England’s North American colonies adopted the younger age. A small group of Italian and German states that introduced an age of consent in the 16th century also employed 12 years. [...] There was one exception: a man’s acts with his wife, to which rape law, and hence the age of consent, did not apply.

    https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230

    This table has been compiled from a combination of historical and contemporary sources. By 1880, the first date chosen, many western nations had established an age of consent for the first time, typically of 12 or 13 years.: https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24

    In the United States in the 1890s, several states had an age of consent as low as 10. In 1895, the age of consent in Delaware was 7, according to an article in The New York Times.[31]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform#United_States

    Don’t participate in witch hunts, either. Brilliant minds and ideas might get damaged or lost…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

    Turing played a pivotal role in cracking intercepted coded messages that enabled the Allies to defeat the Nazis in many crucial engagements, including the Battle of the Atlantic; it has been estimated that this work shortened the war in Europe by more than two years and saved over fourteen million lives.[6]

    In January 1952, Turing, then 39, started a relationship with Arnold Murray, a 19-year-old unemployed man. Turing had met Murray just before Christmas outside the Regal Cinema when walking down Manchester’s Oxford Road and invited him to lunch. On 23 January Turing’s house was burgled. Murray told Turing that the burglar was an acquaintance of his, and Turing reported the crime to the police. During the investigation he acknowledged a sexual relationship with Murray. Homosexual acts were criminal offences in the United Kingdom at that time,[103] and both men were charged with gross indecency under Section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885.[104] [...]

    Turing was convicted and given a choice between imprisonment and probation, which would be conditional on his agreement to undergo hormonal treatment designed to reduce libido. He accepted the option of treatment via injections of what was then called stilboestrol (now known as diethylstilbestrol or DES), a synthetic oestrogen; this treatment was continued for the course of one year. The treatment rendered Turing impotent and caused gynaecomastia,[107] fulfilling in the literal sense Turing’s prediction that “no doubt I shall emerge from it all a different man, but quite who I’ve not found out”.[108][109]

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    To be clear, we're talking about pederasty and homosexual pedophilia here, not heterosexual consent and historical legislation thereof, so I'm not sure why you're bringing up the latter.

    I'm also not sure what the relevance of Alan Turing is here. Nobody is talking about witch hunts. You seem to be very defensive about this and taking it personally. Are you homosexual?
    , @SolontoCroesus

    it has been estimated that this work shortened the war in Europe by more than two years and saved over fourteen million lives.
     
    how is that calculated?

    were those "fourteen million lives" Allied lives, Jewish lives, or Axis lives?
    If Jewish lives, does that mean that but for Turing's work, 20 million Jews would have been exterminated by the Nazis?

    What did Turing's work know about the extermination camps and the gas chambers and when did they know it?

    If Turing's work was able to "shorten the war by 2 years and save 14 million lives," why was it unable to shorten the war by three years and save even more lives?

    Wasn't it part of Churchill's and FDR's and Stalin's plan to kill as many Germans as possible?
    Certainly it was the case that FDR demanded total capitulation; had that one demand been changed, how many more millions of lives could have been saved?

  92. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max
    You should choose your words and sources more carefully. Don't put your trust in the plutocrat-Koch-Bros.-controlled Tea Party or Alt Lite Infowars conspiracy theorists.

    Many of your own ancestors might be considered 'pedophiles' by today's standards:


    A 1576 law making it a felony to "unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any woman child under the age of 10 years" was generally interpreted as creating more severe punishments when girls were under 10 years old while retaining the lesser punishment for acts with 10- and 11-year-old girls. Jurist Sir Matthew Hale argued that the age of consent applied to 10- and 11-year-old girls, but most of England's North American colonies adopted the younger age. A small group of Italian and German states that introduced an age of consent in the 16th century also employed 12 years. [...] There was one exception: a man's acts with his wife, to which rape law, and hence the age of consent, did not apply.
     
    - https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230

    This table has been compiled from a combination of historical and contemporary sources. By 1880, the first date chosen, many western nations had established an age of consent for the first time, typically of 12 or 13 years.: https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24


    In the United States in the 1890s, several states had an age of consent as low as 10. In 1895, the age of consent in Delaware was 7, according to an article in The New York Times.[31]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform#United_States


    Don't participate in witch hunts, either. Brilliant minds and ideas might get damaged or lost...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing


    Turing played a pivotal role in cracking intercepted coded messages that enabled the Allies to defeat the Nazis in many crucial engagements, including the Battle of the Atlantic; it has been estimated that this work shortened the war in Europe by more than two years and saved over fourteen million lives.[6]
     

    In January 1952, Turing, then 39, started a relationship with Arnold Murray, a 19-year-old unemployed man. Turing had met Murray just before Christmas outside the Regal Cinema when walking down Manchester's Oxford Road and invited him to lunch. On 23 January Turing's house was burgled. Murray told Turing that the burglar was an acquaintance of his, and Turing reported the crime to the police. During the investigation he acknowledged a sexual relationship with Murray. Homosexual acts were criminal offences in the United Kingdom at that time,[103] and both men were charged with gross indecency under Section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885.[104] [...]

    Turing was convicted and given a choice between imprisonment and probation, which would be conditional on his agreement to undergo hormonal treatment designed to reduce libido. He accepted the option of treatment via injections of what was then called stilboestrol (now known as diethylstilbestrol or DES), a synthetic oestrogen; this treatment was continued for the course of one year. The treatment rendered Turing impotent and caused gynaecomastia,[107] fulfilling in the literal sense Turing's prediction that "no doubt I shall emerge from it all a different man, but quite who I've not found out".[108][109]
     

    To be clear, we’re talking about pederasty and homosexual pedophilia here, not heterosexual consent and historical legislation thereof, so I’m not sure why you’re bringing up the latter.

    I’m also not sure what the relevance of Alan Turing is here. Nobody is talking about witch hunts. You seem to be very defensive about this and taking it personally. Are you homosexual?

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    You seem to be very defensive about this and taking it personally. Are you homosexual?
     
    No, I am not a homosexualist, bisexualist, and I do not condone pedophilia in any way.

    I am just highly allergic to BS!

    Left-wing BS, right-wing BS, political correctness, etc. Lies, hypocrisy, etc., generally give my hives.


    Nobody is talking about witch hunts.
     
    Ok, instead of calling it a 'witch hunt,' let us just call it a 'panic.'

    Gay Panic on the Alt Right

    For instance, after the Halloween 2015 National Policy Institute conference, the Two Matts, Parrott and Heimbach, made up the story that Heimbach was disinvited from NPI because a “gay mafia” disapproved of his Old Testament opinions on homosexuality. Their motive was narcissistic rage, and their aim was simply to harm NPI by starting a gay panic, a troll so divisive that it was eagerly promoted by the Southern Poverty Law Center which shares the same destructive agenda. [...]

    The most recent gay panic agitation comes from Sinead “Renegade” McCarthy, whose black marks include linking White Advocacy to flat earth and anti-vaccine cranks, slurring people who think there is more to activism than crazy-eyed women passing out flyers (e.g., Richard Spencer, Angelo Gage, Nathan Damigo, etc.), and basically demanding that the movement capitulate to feminism. Her motives in pushing the gay panic button seem to be equal parts narcissistic rage and feminist entryism.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/03/gay-panic-on-the-alt-right/
  93. @FKA Max
    You should choose your words and sources more carefully. Don't put your trust in the plutocrat-Koch-Bros.-controlled Tea Party or Alt Lite Infowars conspiracy theorists.

    Many of your own ancestors might be considered 'pedophiles' by today's standards:


    A 1576 law making it a felony to "unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any woman child under the age of 10 years" was generally interpreted as creating more severe punishments when girls were under 10 years old while retaining the lesser punishment for acts with 10- and 11-year-old girls. Jurist Sir Matthew Hale argued that the age of consent applied to 10- and 11-year-old girls, but most of England's North American colonies adopted the younger age. A small group of Italian and German states that introduced an age of consent in the 16th century also employed 12 years. [...] There was one exception: a man's acts with his wife, to which rape law, and hence the age of consent, did not apply.
     
    - https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230

    This table has been compiled from a combination of historical and contemporary sources. By 1880, the first date chosen, many western nations had established an age of consent for the first time, typically of 12 or 13 years.: https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24


    In the United States in the 1890s, several states had an age of consent as low as 10. In 1895, the age of consent in Delaware was 7, according to an article in The New York Times.[31]
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform#United_States


    Don't participate in witch hunts, either. Brilliant minds and ideas might get damaged or lost...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing


    Turing played a pivotal role in cracking intercepted coded messages that enabled the Allies to defeat the Nazis in many crucial engagements, including the Battle of the Atlantic; it has been estimated that this work shortened the war in Europe by more than two years and saved over fourteen million lives.[6]
     

    In January 1952, Turing, then 39, started a relationship with Arnold Murray, a 19-year-old unemployed man. Turing had met Murray just before Christmas outside the Regal Cinema when walking down Manchester's Oxford Road and invited him to lunch. On 23 January Turing's house was burgled. Murray told Turing that the burglar was an acquaintance of his, and Turing reported the crime to the police. During the investigation he acknowledged a sexual relationship with Murray. Homosexual acts were criminal offences in the United Kingdom at that time,[103] and both men were charged with gross indecency under Section 11 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885.[104] [...]

    Turing was convicted and given a choice between imprisonment and probation, which would be conditional on his agreement to undergo hormonal treatment designed to reduce libido. He accepted the option of treatment via injections of what was then called stilboestrol (now known as diethylstilbestrol or DES), a synthetic oestrogen; this treatment was continued for the course of one year. The treatment rendered Turing impotent and caused gynaecomastia,[107] fulfilling in the literal sense Turing's prediction that "no doubt I shall emerge from it all a different man, but quite who I've not found out".[108][109]
     

    it has been estimated that this work shortened the war in Europe by more than two years and saved over fourteen million lives.

    how is that calculated?

    were those “fourteen million lives” Allied lives, Jewish lives, or Axis lives?
    If Jewish lives, does that mean that but for Turing’s work, 20 million Jews would have been exterminated by the Nazis?

    What did Turing’s work know about the extermination camps and the gas chambers and when did they know it?

    If Turing’s work was able to “shorten the war by 2 years and save 14 million lives,” why was it unable to shorten the war by three years and save even more lives?

    Wasn’t it part of Churchill’s and FDR’s and Stalin’s plan to kill as many Germans as possible?
    Certainly it was the case that FDR demanded total capitulation; had that one demand been changed, how many more millions of lives could have been saved?

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  94. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    To be clear, we're talking about pederasty and homosexual pedophilia here, not heterosexual consent and historical legislation thereof, so I'm not sure why you're bringing up the latter.

    I'm also not sure what the relevance of Alan Turing is here. Nobody is talking about witch hunts. You seem to be very defensive about this and taking it personally. Are you homosexual?

    You seem to be very defensive about this and taking it personally. Are you homosexual?

    No, I am not a homosexualist, bisexualist, and I do not condone pedophilia in any way.

    I am just highly allergic to BS!

    Left-wing BS, right-wing BS, political correctness, etc. Lies, hypocrisy, etc., generally give my hives.

    Nobody is talking about witch hunts.

    Ok, instead of calling it a ‘witch hunt,’ let us just call it a ‘panic.’

    Gay Panic on the Alt Right

    For instance, after the Halloween 2015 National Policy Institute conference, the Two Matts, Parrott and Heimbach, made up the story that Heimbach was disinvited from NPI because a “gay mafia” disapproved of his Old Testament opinions on homosexuality. Their motive was narcissistic rage, and their aim was simply to harm NPI by starting a gay panic, a troll so divisive that it was eagerly promoted by the Southern Poverty Law Center which shares the same destructive agenda. [...]

    The most recent gay panic agitation comes from Sinead “Renegade” McCarthy, whose black marks include linking White Advocacy to flat earth and anti-vaccine cranks, slurring people who think there is more to activism than crazy-eyed women passing out flyers (e.g., Richard Spencer, Angelo Gage, Nathan Damigo, etc.), and basically demanding that the movement capitulate to feminism. Her motives in pushing the gay panic button seem to be equal parts narcissistic rage and feminist entryism.

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/03/gay-panic-on-the-alt-right/

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    ...generally give *me* hives.
    , @Anonymous
    I didn't ask if you were a "homosexualist" or a "bisexualist," which I understand mean different things than "homosexual" and "bisexual." I asked if you were homosexual. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't "homosexualist" and "bisexualist" mean something like homosexuals and bisexuals who promote the homosexual and bisexual identity and communities?

    Johnson is understandably quite defensive about this and takes it personally, but I think it's quite an exaggeration to suggest that there's anything close to being a "panic" on the alt-right regarding homosexuality. Quite the contrary, the movement has generally either ignored the issue or gone out of its way to accommodate it, and some of its most prominent leaders and members are that way.

    Parrott and Heimbach are religious. Parrott is a Mormon, and Heimbach is an Orthodox Christian. They disapprove of homosexuality, but they're not openly hostile to homosexuals. They were disinvited because there were other speakers at the conference that are homosexual, and because the host, Spencer, is bisexual, and the conference wanted to minimize potential discomfort and conflict. It was not because a "mafia" disapproved of more traditional or religious views.
  95. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    You seem to be very defensive about this and taking it personally. Are you homosexual?
     
    No, I am not a homosexualist, bisexualist, and I do not condone pedophilia in any way.

    I am just highly allergic to BS!

    Left-wing BS, right-wing BS, political correctness, etc. Lies, hypocrisy, etc., generally give my hives.


    Nobody is talking about witch hunts.
     
    Ok, instead of calling it a 'witch hunt,' let us just call it a 'panic.'

    Gay Panic on the Alt Right

    For instance, after the Halloween 2015 National Policy Institute conference, the Two Matts, Parrott and Heimbach, made up the story that Heimbach was disinvited from NPI because a “gay mafia” disapproved of his Old Testament opinions on homosexuality. Their motive was narcissistic rage, and their aim was simply to harm NPI by starting a gay panic, a troll so divisive that it was eagerly promoted by the Southern Poverty Law Center which shares the same destructive agenda. [...]

    The most recent gay panic agitation comes from Sinead “Renegade” McCarthy, whose black marks include linking White Advocacy to flat earth and anti-vaccine cranks, slurring people who think there is more to activism than crazy-eyed women passing out flyers (e.g., Richard Spencer, Angelo Gage, Nathan Damigo, etc.), and basically demanding that the movement capitulate to feminism. Her motives in pushing the gay panic button seem to be equal parts narcissistic rage and feminist entryism.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/03/gay-panic-on-the-alt-right/

    …generally give *me* hives.

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  96. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max

    You seem to be very defensive about this and taking it personally. Are you homosexual?
     
    No, I am not a homosexualist, bisexualist, and I do not condone pedophilia in any way.

    I am just highly allergic to BS!

    Left-wing BS, right-wing BS, political correctness, etc. Lies, hypocrisy, etc., generally give my hives.


    Nobody is talking about witch hunts.
     
    Ok, instead of calling it a 'witch hunt,' let us just call it a 'panic.'

    Gay Panic on the Alt Right

    For instance, after the Halloween 2015 National Policy Institute conference, the Two Matts, Parrott and Heimbach, made up the story that Heimbach was disinvited from NPI because a “gay mafia” disapproved of his Old Testament opinions on homosexuality. Their motive was narcissistic rage, and their aim was simply to harm NPI by starting a gay panic, a troll so divisive that it was eagerly promoted by the Southern Poverty Law Center which shares the same destructive agenda. [...]

    The most recent gay panic agitation comes from Sinead “Renegade” McCarthy, whose black marks include linking White Advocacy to flat earth and anti-vaccine cranks, slurring people who think there is more to activism than crazy-eyed women passing out flyers (e.g., Richard Spencer, Angelo Gage, Nathan Damigo, etc.), and basically demanding that the movement capitulate to feminism. Her motives in pushing the gay panic button seem to be equal parts narcissistic rage and feminist entryism.
     
    - http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/03/gay-panic-on-the-alt-right/

    I didn’t ask if you were a “homosexualist” or a “bisexualist,” which I understand mean different things than “homosexual” and “bisexual.” I asked if you were homosexual. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t “homosexualist” and “bisexualist” mean something like homosexuals and bisexuals who promote the homosexual and bisexual identity and communities?

    Johnson is understandably quite defensive about this and takes it personally, but I think it’s quite an exaggeration to suggest that there’s anything close to being a “panic” on the alt-right regarding homosexuality. Quite the contrary, the movement has generally either ignored the issue or gone out of its way to accommodate it, and some of its most prominent leaders and members are that way.

    Parrott and Heimbach are religious. Parrott is a Mormon, and Heimbach is an Orthodox Christian. They disapprove of homosexuality, but they’re not openly hostile to homosexuals. They were disinvited because there were other speakers at the conference that are homosexual, and because the host, Spencer, is bisexual, and the conference wanted to minimize potential discomfort and conflict. It was not because a “mafia” disapproved of more traditional or religious views.

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    I didn’t ask if you were a “homosexualist” or a “bisexualist,” which I understand mean different things than “homosexual” and “bisexual.” I asked if you were homosexual. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t “homosexualist” and “bisexualist” mean something like homosexuals and bisexuals who promote the homosexual and bisexual identity and communities?
     
    This is getting comical... you must be mildly autistic like Greg Johnson and myself.

    I am NOT homosexual or bisexual, either. I used the terms 'homosexualist' and 'bisexualist,' to be subtly funny.

    I guess my humor did not come across to well. I need to work on that...

    I am not completely sure about the exact and different meanings of 'homosexualist' and 'bisexualist,' either.

    I understood them to be mostly more arcane and rare terms used to refer to homosexuals and bisexuals. This how I attempted to subtly inject some humor into this pretty serious discussion...

    This is what the interwebs says about it:


    (rare, often pejorative) Alternative form of homosexual  [quotations ▲]

    1949, George Kingsley Zipf, Human Behavior and the Principle of Least Effort:

    […] roughly speaking, a homosexualist is born and not made.
     

    - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/homosexualist

    For your viewing pleasure... you might enjoy this more obvious humor about 'homosexualists':

    Little Britain - Daffyd Thomas first episode

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrlzaBNgz-M

  97. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    I didn't ask if you were a "homosexualist" or a "bisexualist," which I understand mean different things than "homosexual" and "bisexual." I asked if you were homosexual. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't "homosexualist" and "bisexualist" mean something like homosexuals and bisexuals who promote the homosexual and bisexual identity and communities?

    Johnson is understandably quite defensive about this and takes it personally, but I think it's quite an exaggeration to suggest that there's anything close to being a "panic" on the alt-right regarding homosexuality. Quite the contrary, the movement has generally either ignored the issue or gone out of its way to accommodate it, and some of its most prominent leaders and members are that way.

    Parrott and Heimbach are religious. Parrott is a Mormon, and Heimbach is an Orthodox Christian. They disapprove of homosexuality, but they're not openly hostile to homosexuals. They were disinvited because there were other speakers at the conference that are homosexual, and because the host, Spencer, is bisexual, and the conference wanted to minimize potential discomfort and conflict. It was not because a "mafia" disapproved of more traditional or religious views.

    I didn’t ask if you were a “homosexualist” or a “bisexualist,” which I understand mean different things than “homosexual” and “bisexual.” I asked if you were homosexual. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t “homosexualist” and “bisexualist” mean something like homosexuals and bisexuals who promote the homosexual and bisexual identity and communities?

    This is getting comical… you must be mildly autistic like Greg Johnson and myself.

    I am NOT homosexual or bisexual, either. I used the terms ‘homosexualist’ and ‘bisexualist,’ to be subtly funny.

    I guess my humor did not come across to well. I need to work on that…

    I am not completely sure about the exact and different meanings of ‘homosexualist’ and ‘bisexualist,’ either.

    I understood them to be mostly more arcane and rare terms used to refer to homosexuals and bisexuals. This how I attempted to subtly inject some humor into this pretty serious discussion…

    This is what the interwebs says about it:

    (rare, often pejorative) Alternative form of homosexual  [quotations ▲]

    1949, George Kingsley Zipf, Human Behavior and the Principle of Least Effort:

    […] roughly speaking, a homosexualist is born and not made.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/homosexualist

    For your viewing pleasure… you might enjoy this more obvious humor about ‘homosexualists’:

    Little Britain – Daffyd Thomas first episode

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrlzaBNgz-M

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    Typos: ...my humor did not come across *too* well. & This *is* how I attempted to subtly inject some humor...

    To continue the British theme... there is a piece in the Spectator about Richard Spencer, which also briefly mentions Mr. Unz, but they misspelled his name 'Uns,' which I found curious and amusing for some reason, so I wanted to share it here:


    Let’s start at the beginning. After I ‘sold’ the American Conservative magazine to a man called Uns for one dollar — I have kept the cheque and will cash it only if in terrible need — I invited Richard Spencer to visit me in my New York house where I offered him the job of running my website, Takimag. (He had worked at the magazine but been laid off.) Richard was well-read, a bit vague, nice-looking, well-dressed and well-spoken. Things were hunky-dory until he asked me where the bathroom was. When he returned, he looked a bit pale but told me he was fine. [...] At that point one of the maids came down and informed me that my guest had thrown up all over the carpet and simply left the mess for her to clean up. The mother of my children was outraged, and when I defended him by saying that he hadn’t thrown up on purpose, she pointed out that no member of our staff was expected to clean up such a mess. As she was already Orlando Furioso, I withheld the fact that Spencer hadn’t even bothered to tell me about it.
     
    - http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/are-white-nationalists-about-to-take-over-the-us-not-bloody-likely/

    I am not exactly sure what the point, the intent, or the purpose of this article is... besides being a (secret) 'bisexualist,' might Richard Spencer also be a (secret) 'bulimicist???'

    I wonder how deep the white rabbit hole goes...

    This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill
  98. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    I didn’t ask if you were a “homosexualist” or a “bisexualist,” which I understand mean different things than “homosexual” and “bisexual.” I asked if you were homosexual. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t “homosexualist” and “bisexualist” mean something like homosexuals and bisexuals who promote the homosexual and bisexual identity and communities?
     
    This is getting comical... you must be mildly autistic like Greg Johnson and myself.

    I am NOT homosexual or bisexual, either. I used the terms 'homosexualist' and 'bisexualist,' to be subtly funny.

    I guess my humor did not come across to well. I need to work on that...

    I am not completely sure about the exact and different meanings of 'homosexualist' and 'bisexualist,' either.

    I understood them to be mostly more arcane and rare terms used to refer to homosexuals and bisexuals. This how I attempted to subtly inject some humor into this pretty serious discussion...

    This is what the interwebs says about it:


    (rare, often pejorative) Alternative form of homosexual  [quotations ▲]

    1949, George Kingsley Zipf, Human Behavior and the Principle of Least Effort:

    […] roughly speaking, a homosexualist is born and not made.
     

    - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/homosexualist

    For your viewing pleasure... you might enjoy this more obvious humor about 'homosexualists':

    Little Britain - Daffyd Thomas first episode

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrlzaBNgz-M

    Typos: …my humor did not come across *too* well. & This *is* how I attempted to subtly inject some humor…

    To continue the British theme… there is a piece in the Spectator about Richard Spencer, which also briefly mentions Mr. Unz, but they misspelled his name ‘Uns,’ which I found curious and amusing for some reason, so I wanted to share it here:

    Let’s start at the beginning. After I ‘sold’ the American Conservative magazine to a man called Uns for one dollar — I have kept the cheque and will cash it only if in terrible need — I invited Richard Spencer to visit me in my New York house where I offered him the job of running my website, Takimag. (He had worked at the magazine but been laid off.) Richard was well-read, a bit vague, nice-looking, well-dressed and well-spoken. Things were hunky-dory until he asked me where the bathroom was. When he returned, he looked a bit pale but told me he was fine. [...] At that point one of the maids came down and informed me that my guest had thrown up all over the carpet and simply left the mess for her to clean up. The mother of my children was outraged, and when I defended him by saying that he hadn’t thrown up on purpose, she pointed out that no member of our staff was expected to clean up such a mess. As she was already Orlando Furioso, I withheld the fact that Spencer hadn’t even bothered to tell me about it.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/are-white-nationalists-about-to-take-over-the-us-not-bloody-likely/

    I am not exactly sure what the point, the intent, or the purpose of this article is… besides being a (secret) ‘bisexualist,’ might Richard Spencer also be a (secret) ‘bulimicist???’

    I wonder how deep the white rabbit hole goes…

    This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I’m offering is the truth. Nothing more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill

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    As she was already Orlando Furioso, I withheld the fact that Spencer hadn’t even bothered to tell me about it.
     
    This does suggest the sort of psychopathic behavior that Joe Webb alludes to above.
    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Jeez. Thanks for the post. The Spectator piece is essential reading.
  99. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @FKA Max
    Typos: ...my humor did not come across *too* well. & This *is* how I attempted to subtly inject some humor...

    To continue the British theme... there is a piece in the Spectator about Richard Spencer, which also briefly mentions Mr. Unz, but they misspelled his name 'Uns,' which I found curious and amusing for some reason, so I wanted to share it here:


    Let’s start at the beginning. After I ‘sold’ the American Conservative magazine to a man called Uns for one dollar — I have kept the cheque and will cash it only if in terrible need — I invited Richard Spencer to visit me in my New York house where I offered him the job of running my website, Takimag. (He had worked at the magazine but been laid off.) Richard was well-read, a bit vague, nice-looking, well-dressed and well-spoken. Things were hunky-dory until he asked me where the bathroom was. When he returned, he looked a bit pale but told me he was fine. [...] At that point one of the maids came down and informed me that my guest had thrown up all over the carpet and simply left the mess for her to clean up. The mother of my children was outraged, and when I defended him by saying that he hadn’t thrown up on purpose, she pointed out that no member of our staff was expected to clean up such a mess. As she was already Orlando Furioso, I withheld the fact that Spencer hadn’t even bothered to tell me about it.
     
    - http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/are-white-nationalists-about-to-take-over-the-us-not-bloody-likely/

    I am not exactly sure what the point, the intent, or the purpose of this article is... besides being a (secret) 'bisexualist,' might Richard Spencer also be a (secret) 'bulimicist???'

    I wonder how deep the white rabbit hole goes...

    This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill

    As she was already Orlando Furioso, I withheld the fact that Spencer hadn’t even bothered to tell me about it.

    This does suggest the sort of psychopathic behavior that Joe Webb alludes to above.

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  100. @FKA Max
    Typos: ...my humor did not come across *too* well. & This *is* how I attempted to subtly inject some humor...

    To continue the British theme... there is a piece in the Spectator about Richard Spencer, which also briefly mentions Mr. Unz, but they misspelled his name 'Uns,' which I found curious and amusing for some reason, so I wanted to share it here:


    Let’s start at the beginning. After I ‘sold’ the American Conservative magazine to a man called Uns for one dollar — I have kept the cheque and will cash it only if in terrible need — I invited Richard Spencer to visit me in my New York house where I offered him the job of running my website, Takimag. (He had worked at the magazine but been laid off.) Richard was well-read, a bit vague, nice-looking, well-dressed and well-spoken. Things were hunky-dory until he asked me where the bathroom was. When he returned, he looked a bit pale but told me he was fine. [...] At that point one of the maids came down and informed me that my guest had thrown up all over the carpet and simply left the mess for her to clean up. The mother of my children was outraged, and when I defended him by saying that he hadn’t thrown up on purpose, she pointed out that no member of our staff was expected to clean up such a mess. As she was already Orlando Furioso, I withheld the fact that Spencer hadn’t even bothered to tell me about it.
     
    - http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/are-white-nationalists-about-to-take-over-the-us-not-bloody-likely/

    I am not exactly sure what the point, the intent, or the purpose of this article is... besides being a (secret) 'bisexualist,' might Richard Spencer also be a (secret) 'bulimicist???'

    I wonder how deep the white rabbit hole goes...

    This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.
     
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill

    Jeez. Thanks for the post. The Spectator piece is essential reading.

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  101. joe webb says:

    with today’s Texas A and M event and Spencer, I am curious what folks think and feel about how Spencer handled himself. CNN I think it was, said only about a dozen in the audience were pro Spencer.

    In the few sound bites, I heard him say some not bad things, and I heard him say some things that were weird , like evading answering the “racist” word by fancy footwork. He should just have said, that racialism is the preferred word….that it denotes racial differences, and does not necessarily entail emotional responses. Period.

    Then he seemed delighted by the uproar, which is juvenile. A straight face is what is appropriate, grown-up, and sober. He lacks the grown-up part.

    Another gal kept badgering him on whether he thinks he is better than her (Asian?). The correct answer would have been to point out that getting personal is not useful, but does he think the White race is better than other races? Of course. Then he could tick off White accomplishment and so on. If she Was Asian, ask her if they ever invented free speech, etc.

    since I do not know from what I saw, what he exactly said…maybe there was something good there. But Daily Stormer stated that Spencer was advancing the cause of Nazism. Great Stuff. Springtime for Hitler.

    The whole thing I find unsavory. The test of any action is whether it advances the cause. I doubt that Spencer advances anything for Whites.

    Joe Webb

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