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The next American president will almost certainly be bought and paid for by the Israel Lobby. Hillary Clinton has already declared that that when she is elected president she intends to take relations with Israel “to the next level” and has also promised to invite Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to visit on her very first day in office. It is difficult to imagine what the next level might actually be in America’s already servile deference to Israeli interests so she should perhaps be careful regarding what she commits herself to do. Netanyahu just might feel empowered to remain in the Oval Office on his visit, possibly also moving the Knesset to Washington so it will be closer to the U.S. Treasury if Israel’s budget comes up a bit short as well as just across the river from the Pentagon and all those nifty weapons that can be used to kill Palestinian children.

Hillary’s pledge of fealty to Israel took place at a meeting of the Saban Forum, which is an annual dialogue between American and Israeli leaders from across the political and social spectrum, hosted by the Brookings Institute, which also has a Center for Middle East Policy, formerly also named after Saban. The eponymous Saban is Haim Saban an Israeli who has made his billions of dollars in the United States in the television and entertainment industry. His best known brand is the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. He is consistently one of the largest donors to the Democratic Party, contributing $10 million in 2001-2, whose stated formula for influencing American politics is to donate to politicians and parties, establish think tanks and control the media message. He has worked hard to do all three on behalf of Israel, to include paying for the Democratic National Committee headquarters in DC.

Saban’s dealings with the Democrats have apparently not inhibited his cooperation with Israel’s intelligence service Mossad. In 2009 Congressman Jane Harman was contacted by an Israeli intelligence “agent” and reportedly agreed to attempt to influence a reduction in the espionage charges in the then ongoing trial of accused American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) spies Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman. In return, Harman’s contact promised to support her bid to become chairman of the House Permanent Committee on Intelligence. The Israeli, who some suspect was Haim Saban himself, indicated that he would pressure House speaker Nancy Pelosi using threats to withhold political contributions from Saban if Harman were not given the position. Harman was later spoken of as a possible candidate to become Director of Central Intelligence and, without the FBI recordings of her phone conversations, which were made known to Pelosi, she might have obtained either position or possibly both in succession.

Saban has also long been associated with the Clintons and he and a tight group of like-minded donors may indeed constitute the most financially significant part of Hillary’s political base. When Bill was president Saban was a regular overnight visitor at the White House. He has pledged to spend “whatever it takes to elect Hillary in 2016 because “the relationship with the US and Israel will be significantly reinforced.” Saban has repeatedly claimed that “I’m a one-issue guy, and my issue is Israel.” Hillary and Bill appear to agree and one might even argue that Bill has a soft spot for money coming from Israeli spies, witness his pardoning of fugitive Marc Rich in 2001. So put it all together if you will and if you think that the wag the dog relationship between Washington and Tel Aviv is bad now, just wait because it will be moving “to the next level” if Hillary is elected.

So who is standing up for the interests of the American people? Nobody, apparently. Senator Ted Cruz has no less than 69 press releases on his web site pledging support for Israel. Jeb Bush has pledged to ban the pro-Palestinian Boycott Divest and Sanction (BDS) movement in the U.S. which most people would consider to be free speech. Every Republican candidate also continues to pander directly and personally to Benjamin Netanyahu, including Donald Trump who planned to drop in on Bibi but had to cancel the trip because of the reaction to his comments about Muslims. Trump had also caused somewhat of an uproar by telling a Jewish Republican audience in New York City that they wouldn’t support him because he didn’t need their money. Imagine the cheek of Trump to link Jews with money with buying influence! In any event, Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), determined that Trump’s comments were not anti-Semitism because they had been misinterpreted and I for one am relieved that we have a brave and enlightened organization like the ADL to keep us on our toes when it comes to potential hate speech.

George Washington could not have envisioned the manner in which money has corrupted American politics. Congressmen complain that much of their time is spent fundraising and, in such a system, it is inevitable that the most generous donors are able to position themselves for favors from the political class. Some become Ambassadors even though they are completely unqualified. Others choose to push certain legislative agendas, to include tax breaks and bailouts that enrich them personally.

But now we have something that goes way beyond that in the new breed of mega-rich, colossally wealthy multi-billionaires who are well positioned to use their resources to support a political candidate willing to accept the money and sell out his or her principles to someone advancing the interests of a foreign country. We are now on the verge of having a Manchurian Candidate president.

Last November an organization called the Israel-America Council (IAC), which ostensibly represents expatriate Israeli citizens residing in the United States, hosted an inaugural bash in Washington. Present were Saban and Sheldon Adelson sharing a stage. Adelson, the principal funder of IAC, was born in the United States and lives in Las Vegas but also has a home in Israel and presumably has Israeli citizenship. His wife is Israeli and he has said that he regrets serving in the US Army in World War Two while also expressing a fervent desire to have a son who would serve as an Israeli military sniper. Both Adelson and Saban are essentially Israelis who live in the United States for economic reasons. Scott McConnell has described them as having “maximal loyalties to Israel and minimal ones to the United States.”

Adelson is the Republican version of Saban. He believes that the United States should nuke Iran as a “negotiating tactic,” has an estimated $23.8 billion fortune derived mostly from casinos in Las Vegas and in Asia. He is a Republican funder for those prospective candidates who promote unlimited US support for Israel. He bankrolled Newt Gingrich’s bid for the GOP nomination in 2012 as well as Mitt Romney for a total of $150 million and also contributed $10 million to Republican candidates in the 2014 congressional campaign. Newt Gingrich in return repaid the favor by praising Israel in his foreign policy pronouncements, taking a hard line with Iran and describing the Palestinians as an “invented people.”

Adelson and Saban’s “spirited public discussion” at IAC included a number of zingers that have been widely reported in the alternative media. Saban commented that in the event of a “bad” deal between Washington and Tehran over the latter’s nuclear program (bad as being defined by Israel) Netanyahu “should bomb the living daylights out of the sons of bitches.” Adelson noted that “the purpose of the existence of Palestinians is to destroy Israel” before dismissing the possibility of a democratic state including both Arabs and Jews by responding “So Israel won’t be a democratic state, so what?” He added that democracy was not mentioned in the Torah. The two also joked about combing their resources to buy the New York Times by offering to pay “more than it’s worth” to make its coverage of Israel even more favorable than it already is. Saban added that he had even used “threats” to obtain favorable media reporting about Israel. The seven hundred “Israeli-Americans” in the audience reportedly responded to the conversation with “wild applause.”

Adelson and Saban concluded that “there’s no right or left when it comes to Israel” and the conference Chairman Shawn Evenhaim joked at its conclusion that “After the election in 2016 one of you will get me a private tour of the White House.” The jest was on target. At this point it is almost certain that both Saban and Adelson will become the largest single donors for whoever becomes the GOP and Democratic candidates. That will buy them enormous access, as Hillary Clinton has already demonstrated. Given that reality one has to accept the obvious conclusion that the two Israeli billionaires might well be able to substantially define the relationship between Washington and the Muslim world, to Israel’s benefit.

That Adelson and Saban might think privately that they have become political kingmakers is one thing, but stating as much in a public forum defies belief. They should be recognized for what they really are: agents of a foreign government and there is no reason why the Justice Department should not require them to register as such under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938. Their close and continuing relationships with Israeli government can no doubt be demonstrated, validating the claim and registering as foreign agents would make illegal their funding of American politicians.

And once one starts recognizing foreign advocacy groups for what they are, other organizations like IAC, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) and AIPAC should also be required to register as agents of the Israeli government. And there are many more such organizations, a virtual alphabet soup. Registration would mandate transparency in their funding and end their phony status as educational tax exempt organizations.

It does not require any particular genius to realize that someone living in one country while favoring the interests of another is not a desirable citizen but we retain at least some semblance of freedom of speech and anyone should be able to advocate anything. But it would be nice for a change if our two venerable national parties might for once seize the high ground and act respectably. I would suggest that the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee might consider developing some backbone and combine in issuing a joint statement refusing to take any donations from either Adelson or Saban in the current election cycle. It could remove both considerable influence peddling and Israel itself from the electoral process, which would be a blessing all around. Might it actually happen? Almost certainly not.

 
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  1. literally almost every single politician is leashed by israel. no exception.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Well I see this wasn't a product of your deepest thoughts and tightest editing (literally almost every v. no exceptions) but I invite you to consider how many paymasters can buy or leash one politician - and for your list of exceptions.

    Obviously a Senator Rockefeller is prima facie not owned/leashed and maybe there are other names that come to mind from recent decades but for those in serious need of money and of there being no well financed opponent even or especially in the primaries how does it work?
    , @Trump man
    Trump gave j ews the middle finger and told them he will Not visit Israel until after the election!!
    No one has ever done this
    He also told them he didn't want their filthy sheckels
    Somehow you missed this
    He refers in the debates as " our allies" when discussing cutbacks
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  2. I’m guessing if Netanyahu makes it to the Oval Office for his visit , Hilary will likely have to pull a Lewinsky and hide her dress.

    Or…maybe take it to the next level means maybe ….anal

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  3. I wouldn’t wish to appear as approving of the ‘amigos’ and so consider the open nature of their buying the USA to be chutzpah as opposed to straight up honest about what they’re up to. When considering the influence of John Roberts’ SCOTUS has played in opening American politics to practically unlimited influence buying, it does well to note it would appear on its face it is not only lax enforcement of the Foreign Agents Registration Act has opened the virtually endless vaults to our halls of congress; but the Christian Zionists on the right of the highest bench in DC enabled this (noting the Jewish justices sit on the left or minority opinion in the decision “Citizens United”)

    Then, it recalls John Roberts close buddy Shannen Coffin served as vice presidential counsel to Dick Cheney…

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  4. Mark Green says: • Website

    Mega-billionaire crypto-Israelis like Adelson and Sabin (as well as countless, pro-Zionst NGOs) dominate Washington and enjoy extraordinary influence in London, in Paris, in Frankfurt and in Brussels. Additionally, there are politically-active Jewish communities in virtually all of the world’s developed nations. And they stay in touch with one another.

    At the same time, Zionists hold most of the key positions of power in Hollywood as well as throughout America’s news media.

    Wall Street is similarly pro-Israel, with big checks being written for an array of candidates just so long as none deviate from the Zionist script. No deviation is allowed. Even a ‘whiff’ of antisemitism will not be tolerated. Hitler, remember.

    See for yourself: no candidate seeking high US office is hostile to Zionism, even though tiny, recalcitrant Israel consumes a disproportionate amount of Washington’s energy, depletes our treasury, initiates wars, and dominates America’s political landscape. Being pro-Israel is nevertheless Washington’s most essential litmus test. Non-conformity is not an option.

    In fact, any rising pol that exhibits ‘hostility’ to the Israeli-Washington special relationship is preemptively scrubbed before they run for county clerk. It’s part and parcel of what our two political parties do. There will be no exceptions. This political value also permeates mainstream news and entertainment. Hitler, remember.

    This is Israel’s ongoing policy of ‘preemption’ in America. It has been with us for decades. And it is now more entrenched than ever.

    With that in mind, a case can be made that it is Israel–not Washington–that is the world’s foremost superpower.

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    With that in mind, a case can be made that it is Israel–not Washington–that is the world’s foremost superpower.
     
    True, in many important aspects. But the question remains--how did it come to it? It is one thing to state more or less obvious facts, totally another is to answer why did it happen. Answering this question could be a true trial.
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  5. none of this is new. Every “democrat” prez since Truman ’48 has been a Zionist-owned property. Every “republican” prez since Bush41 has been a Zionist-owned property. That’s why it is a one-party state: Jew$$$$

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    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
    It was Harry Truman--the failed haberdasher, the "Senator from Pendergast"--who recognized Israel in 1948 in return for $2 million in campaign contributions from pro-Zionist sources.
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  6. Maj. Kong says:

    Bibi lives in your head. The foreign agents law is based upon the agent being paid by a foreign government. Any cursory evaluation of AIPAC would note that they receive support from donors in this country. To challenge that problem we would have to abolish dual citizenship, on the presumption that every Jew is an automatic citizen of Israel.

    What they do is no different than Phil’s pro-Iran sentiment, just with far more money. And if Iran offered Phil a seven figure salary to lobby for them, I’m betting he’d take it. But Iran is under sanctions, so they can’t do that right now.

    You want to see the real problem, look beyond some arrogant PM despised by half of his country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Fischer

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    No Kong, I am not and have never been a advocate for Iran and would not go on their payroll under any circumstances. You confuse demanding basic objectivity in our foreign policy with advocacy. And you are wrong about FARA. This is what the website says: "FARA is a disclosure statute that requires persons acting as agents of foreign principals in a political or quasi-political capacity to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities. Disclosure of the required information facilitates evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons in light of their function as foreign agents." They don't have to be on the payroll. Your link regarding Stanley Fischer is, however, well taken.
    , @KA
    http://original.antiwar.com/Dan_Sanchez/2015/12/21/war-is-realizing-the-israelizing-of-the-world/
    , @bondo
    i am pro iran and advocate for iran since iran has proven to be a more decent, fair, humane, eqalitarian country than the u.s. (great amurderka) or israel or england or france or turkey.
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  7. LondonBob says:

    Not even JFK campaigned with a hostile position towards Israel, it would be too damaging to one’s electoral prospects. It is what you do when you get there.

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  8. @Maj. Kong
    Bibi lives in your head. The foreign agents law is based upon the agent being paid by a foreign government. Any cursory evaluation of AIPAC would note that they receive support from donors in this country. To challenge that problem we would have to abolish dual citizenship, on the presumption that every Jew is an automatic citizen of Israel.

    What they do is no different than Phil's pro-Iran sentiment, just with far more money. And if Iran offered Phil a seven figure salary to lobby for them, I'm betting he'd take it. But Iran is under sanctions, so they can't do that right now.

    You want to see the real problem, look beyond some arrogant PM despised by half of his country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Fischer

    No Kong, I am not and have never been a advocate for Iran and would not go on their payroll under any circumstances. You confuse demanding basic objectivity in our foreign policy with advocacy. And you are wrong about FARA. This is what the website says: “FARA is a disclosure statute that requires persons acting as agents of foreign principals in a political or quasi-political capacity to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities. Disclosure of the required information facilitates evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons in light of their function as foreign agents.” They don’t have to be on the payroll. Your link regarding Stanley Fischer is, however, well taken.

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    I'm here to quibble though your articles carry weight with credit. On a relatively trivial matter I am sorry that you undermined your standing as a sage and heavyweight pundit with "the nifty weapons that can be used to kill Palestinian children".

    Apart from that.... what reason is there to suppose Hillary would stay bought? Especially in a second term?

    On the question of who is a foreign agent who should register you have failed to sew up your case. It is not enough just to quote what is said about the relevant legislation: if you want to be sure and make others sure about its proper interpretation you need to quote the actual statute.

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  9. Kiza says:

    This was really sad to read. The US, “The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave” has become “The Land of the Slave and the Home of the Ass-Kisser”. 99.99% of US citizenry still has no idea whose slaves they are.

    I wanted to ran a little wager against my friends: who is going to win to become POTUS, but 100% said Hitlary. There is only one candidate in the race.

    Things are not much different in UK, France, Italy, Denmark, and so on.

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    "I wanted to ran a little wager against my friends: who is going to win to become POTUS, but 100% said Hitlary."

    I've got to believe that the same number of Dems are tired of "business as usual" as conservatives.

    The same media that is swearing Hitlery beats all GOP choices is the same govt media that lies about everything else.
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  10. “At this point it is almost certain that both Saban and Adelson will become the largest single donors for whoever becomes the GOP and Democratic candidates. That will buy them enormous access, as Hillary Clinton has already demonstrated. Given that reality one has to accept the obvious conclusion that the two Israeli billionaires might well be able to substantially define the relationship between Washington and the Muslim world, to Israel’s benefit.”

    Amplified by the latest investigative salvo from the perennially credible Seymour Hersh, who reveals that the pernicious policies that are bought are so contrary to U.S. strategic interests, that the military brass has had enough and is actively undermining them:

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

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    I read the Hersh article. What is missing (in my estimation) is the taboo subject of the split in the American military officer corps itself; the division between secular and Christian dominion officers. There is ample evidence of this developed by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which has received direct feedback at the general officer level in the command structures explaining any push-back against the hardcore Christians pushing forward their agenda within our military can be a career ending move. So now, you have what? General officers who see the middle east conflict as a crusade and religious duty and general officers who see through a secular geopolitical lens. Until this tension is resolved, I doubt we're going to see any clear and stable policy. Maybe a clue to the "mystery" Hersh closes with?

    And perhaps it can get even more sticky than that; considering the highly classified circumstance where CIA officers are concurrently American military officers in a career cover...
    , @RobinG
    But it's interesting to note*, Fran, that one alleged ally of our military brass were none other than Israeli intelligence, who are apparently less pernicious than our own civilian government. Go figure.

    *In Seymour Hersh's article (worth reading)
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  11. @Philip Giraldi
    No Kong, I am not and have never been a advocate for Iran and would not go on their payroll under any circumstances. You confuse demanding basic objectivity in our foreign policy with advocacy. And you are wrong about FARA. This is what the website says: "FARA is a disclosure statute that requires persons acting as agents of foreign principals in a political or quasi-political capacity to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities. Disclosure of the required information facilitates evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons in light of their function as foreign agents." They don't have to be on the payroll. Your link regarding Stanley Fischer is, however, well taken.

    I’m here to quibble though your articles carry weight with credit. On a relatively trivial matter I am sorry that you undermined your standing as a sage and heavyweight pundit with “the nifty weapons that can be used to kill Palestinian children”.

    Apart from that…. what reason is there to suppose Hillary would stay bought? Especially in a second term?

    On the question of who is a foreign agent who should register you have failed to sew up your case. It is not enough just to quote what is said about the relevant legislation: if you want to be sure and make others sure about its proper interpretation you need to quote the actual statute.

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    On the question of who is a foreign agent who should register you have failed to sew up your case. It is not enough just to quote what is said about the relevant legislation: if you want to be sure and make others sure about its proper interpretation you need to quote the actual statute.
     
    Ok, WofP, ask and you shall receive. Here is an excerpt of the said Act:


    SUBCHAPTER II—REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN PROPAGANDISTS

    § 611. Definitions

    (b) The term ‘‘foreign principal’’ includes—
    (1) a government of a foreign country and a

    foreign political party;
    (2) a person outside of the United States, un-

    less it is established that such person is an in- dividual and a citizen of and domiciled within the United States, or that such person is not an individual and is organized under or cre- ated by the laws of the United States or of any State or other place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and has its principal place of business within the United States; and

    (3) a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its prin- cipal place of business in a foreign country.

    (c) Expect1 as provided in subsection (d) of this section, the term ‘‘agent of a foreign principal’’ means—

    (1) any person who acts as an agent, rep- resentative, employee, or servant, or any per- son who acts in any other capacity at the order, request, or under the direction or con- trol, of a foreign principal or of a person any of whose activities are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or in major part by a for- eign principal, and who directly or through any other person—

    (i) engages within the United States in po- litical activities for or in the interests of such foreign principal;

    (ii) acts within the United States as a pub- lic relations counsel, publicity agent, infor- mation-service employee or political con- sultant for or in the interests of such foreign principal;

    (iii) within the United States solicits, col- lects, disburses, or dispenses contributions, loans, money, or other things of value for or in the interest of such foreign principal; or

    (iv) within the United States represents the interests of such foreign principal before any agency or official of the Government of the United States; and

    (2) any person who agrees, consents, assumes or purports to act as, or who is or holds him- self out to be, whether or not pursuant to con- tractual relationship, an agent of a foreign principal as defined in clause (1) of this sub- section.

    (d) The term ‘‘agent of a foreign principal’’ does not include any news or press service or as- sociation organized under the laws of the United States or of any State or other place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, or any newspaper, magazine, periodical, or other publi- cation for which there is on file with the United States Postal Service information in compliance with section 36112 of title 39, published in the United States, solely by virtue of any bona fide news or journalistic activities, including the so- licitation or acceptance of advertisements, sub- scriptions, or other compensation therefor, so long as it is at least 80 per centum beneficially owned by, and its officers and directors, if any, are citizens of the United States, and such news or press service or association, newspaper, mag- azine, periodical, or other publication, is not owned, directed, supervised, controlled, sub- sidized, or financed, and none of its policies are determined by any foreign principal defined in subsection (b) of this section, or by any agent of a foreign principal required to register under this subchapter;

    (e) The term ‘‘government of a foreign coun- try’’ includes any person or group of persons ex- ercising sovereign de facto or de jure political jurisdiction over any country, other than the United States, or over any part of such country, and includes any subdivision of any such group and any group or agency to which such sov- ereign de facto or de jure authority or functions are directly or indirectly delegated. Such term shall include any faction or body of insurgents within a country assuming to exercise govern- mental authority whether such faction or body of insurgents has or has not been recognized by the United States;

    (f) The term ‘‘foreign political party’’ includes any organization or any other combination of individuals in a country other than the United States, or any unit or branch thereof, having for an aim or purpose, or which is engaged in any activity devoted in whole or in part to, the es- tablishment, administration, control, or acquisi- tion of administration or control, of a govern- ment of a foreign country or a subdivision there- of, or the furtherance or influencing of the polit- ical or public interests, policies, or relations of a government of a foreign country or a subdivi- sion thereof;

    (g) The term ‘‘public-relations counsel’’ in- cludes any person who engages directly or indi- rectly in informing, advising, or in any way rep- resenting a principal in any public relations matter pertaining to political or public inter- ests, policies, or relations of such principal;

    (h) The term ‘‘publicity agent’’ includes any person who engages directly or indirectly in the publication or dissemination of oral, visual, graphic, written, or pictorial information or matter of any kind, including publication by means of advertising, books, periodicals, news- papers, lectures, broadcasts, motion pictures, or otherwise;

    (i) The term ‘‘information-service employee’’ includes any person who is engaged in furnish- ing, disseminating, or publishing accounts, de- scriptions, information, or data with respect to the political, industrial, employment, economic, social, cultural, or other benefits, advantages, facts, or conditions of any country other than the United States or of any government of a for- eign country or of a foreign political party or of a partnership, association, corporation, organi- zation, or other combination of individuals orga- nized under the laws of, or having its principal place of business in, a foreign country;

    (j) Repealed. Pub. L. 104–65, §9(1)(A), Dec. 19, 1995, 109 Stat. 699.

    (k) The term ‘‘registration statement’’ means the registration statement required to be filed with the Attorney General under section 612(a) of this title, and any supplements thereto re- quired to be filed under section 612(b) of this title, and includes all documents and papers re- quired to be filed therewith or amendatory thereof or supplemental thereto, whether at- tached thereto or incorporated therein by ref- erence;

    (l) The term ‘‘American republic’’ includes any of the states which were signatory to the Final Act of the Second Meeting of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the American Republics at Habana, Cuba, July 30, 1940;

    (m) The term ‘‘United States’’, when used in a geographical sense, includes the several States, the District of Columbia, the Territories, the Canal Zone, the insular possessions, and all other places now or hereafter subject to the civil or military jurisdiction of the United States;

    (n) The term ‘‘prints’’ means newspapers and periodicals, books, pamphlets, sheet music, visiting cards, address cards, printing proofs, engravings, photographs, pictures, drawings, plans, maps, patterns to be cut out, catalogs, prospectuses, advertisements, and printed, en- graved, lithographed, or autographed notices of various kinds, and, in general, all impressions or reproductions obtained on paper or other mate- rial assimilable to paper, on parchment or on cardboard, by means of printing, engraving, li- thography, autography, or any other easily rec- ognizable mechanical process, with the excep- tion of the copying press, stamps with movable or immovable type, and the typewriter;

    (o) The term ‘‘political activities’’ means any activity that the person engaging in believes will, or that the person intends to, in any way influence any agency or official of the Govern- ment of the United States or any section of the public within the United States with reference to formulating, adopting, or changing the do- mestic or foreign policies of the United States or with reference to the political or public inter- ests, policies, or relations of a government of a foreign country or a foreign political party;

    (p) The term ‘‘political consultant’’ means any person who engages in informing or advising any other person with reference to the domestic or foreign policies of the United States or the po- litical or public interest, policies, or relations of a foreign country or of a foreign political party.

    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2009-title22/pdf/USCODE-2009-title22-chap11-subchapII.pdf
     
    For those who are unaware, there have been several previous attempts to get Israel Lobby groups registered under FARA:

    ZOA ordered to register as Israeli foreign agent seven times – declassified Justice Department files

    WASHINGTON, Nov. 21, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The following is being released by Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy:

    The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) was ordered on seven separate occasions to register under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) according to newly declassified Department of Justice (DOJ) files. On October 17, 2012 the National Archives and Records Administration released under FOIA the long-secret files, now available online at the Israel Lobby Archive.

    ZOA incorporated on April 14, 1920 in New York. DOJ officials determined in 1947 that ZOA was controlled by the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a global entity composed of dues-paying members committed to the Zionist program for a Jewish state in Palestine. ZOA activities, negotiations with governments and NGOs were all subject to WZO approval. ZOA regarded WZO as the ultimate disciplinary and dispute resolution authority. ZOA was also beholden to WZO orders for unspecified “political actions of another kind.”

    In 1956 ZOA Pittsburgh chapter President Zalman Shapiro incorporated the Nuclear Material and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) which operated a nuclear processing facility on the Apollo Industries steel site. Future ZOA national president Ivan Novick was an original Apollo Industries founder. The FBI investigated excessive NUMEC losses of weapons-grade uranium and Shapiro’s 1960s interactions with Rafael Eitan, an Israeli spymaster who later ran Jonathan Pollard against the United States. NUMEC established a joint venture with the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, later revealed by researcher Avner Cohen to be a front for Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons program. A 2001 Energy Department audit found that NUMEC lost more weapons-grade uranium (337 kilograms) than any other facility in U.S. history. Declassified CIA and FBI files reveal US officials believed NUMEC illegally diverted nuclear material to Israel.

    The newly released DOJ files reveal a secret 1948 meeting where the Attorney General promised to exempt ZOA from all FARA registration and prosecutions in exchange for changes to ZOA/WZO governing documents. However reports filed by Justice Department staff responsible for FARA enforcement reveal that even by 1960 the promised changes had not been made. ZOA is currently attempting to regain tax-exempt status revoked by the IRS in 2011.

    The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is the nation’s record keeper. It retains 1%-3% of the most important documents of business conducted by the United States Federal government. The Israel Lobby Archive, http://IRmep.org/ila is a unit of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington.

    SOURCE Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy
     
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Generally, politicians don't get "bought" by donors, in the sense of getting bribed to advocate a certain policy. What usually happens instead is that donors give money to politicians who already agree with their policy priorities.

    If you doubt that, answer this question: when's the last time a wealthy pro-life donor has bought off a formerly pro-choice Democrat? Or consider this thought experiment: how much money would you have to donate to Hillary to make her become pro life?
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  12. KA says:
    @Maj. Kong
    Bibi lives in your head. The foreign agents law is based upon the agent being paid by a foreign government. Any cursory evaluation of AIPAC would note that they receive support from donors in this country. To challenge that problem we would have to abolish dual citizenship, on the presumption that every Jew is an automatic citizen of Israel.

    What they do is no different than Phil's pro-Iran sentiment, just with far more money. And if Iran offered Phil a seven figure salary to lobby for them, I'm betting he'd take it. But Iran is under sanctions, so they can't do that right now.

    You want to see the real problem, look beyond some arrogant PM despised by half of his country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Fischer
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  13. KA says:


    “Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon.”
    (Yoded Yinon)

    The civil war that Israel helped foster fractured Lebanon for a decade and a half. It was Lebanon’s chaotic fragmentation that Yinon cited as the model for the rest of the Arab world.

    “More quietly, Israelis have increasingly argued that the best outcome for Syria’s two-and-a-half-year-old civil war, at least for the moment, is no outcome.
    For Jerusalem, the status quo, horrific as it may be from a humanitarian perspective, seems preferable to either a victory by Mr. Assad’s government and his Iranian backers or a strengthening of rebel groups, increasingly dominated by Sunni jihadis.
    (New York Times 2013)

    The West may become a Global Israel, forever occupying, forever dispossessing, forever bombing, and forever insecure. And the Middle East may become a Global Palestine, forever occupied, forever dispossessed, forever bombed, and forever desperately violent. That is how war is realizing the Israelizing of the world.”

    https://medium.com/dan-sanchez/war-is-realizing-the-israelizing-of-the-world-4c45482d2425#.qtyh75udh

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  14. Ragno says:

    It might take decades; it might take centuries; hell, it might require Martian historians to get a truthful, untainted account….but I feel quite secure in history’s judgment affixing the date of the beginning of the end of Western Civilization at 1948.

    From that point on, unfortunately for the other 98% of us – the rest of it wrote itself.

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  15. bondo says:
    @Maj. Kong
    Bibi lives in your head. The foreign agents law is based upon the agent being paid by a foreign government. Any cursory evaluation of AIPAC would note that they receive support from donors in this country. To challenge that problem we would have to abolish dual citizenship, on the presumption that every Jew is an automatic citizen of Israel.

    What they do is no different than Phil's pro-Iran sentiment, just with far more money. And if Iran offered Phil a seven figure salary to lobby for them, I'm betting he'd take it. But Iran is under sanctions, so they can't do that right now.

    You want to see the real problem, look beyond some arrogant PM despised by half of his country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Fischer

    i am pro iran and advocate for iran since iran has proven to be a more decent, fair, humane, eqalitarian country than the u.s. (great amurderka) or israel or england or france or turkey.

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  16. Was Trump dis-invited to israel because of his comments about Islam or because he has rejected Democratic and Republican interventionist policy in the Middle East, including stating the obvious that Iraq and Libya have been disasters for all concerned? And Trump supports the Putin/Assad campaign against ISIS, something which is an anathema to Washington pro israel group thinkers on both sides of the aisle. Perhaps Bibi doesn’t want to force his friend Hillary to have to explain to the American people in a debate with the Donald why she has been an advocate of American intervention in Iraq, Libya and Syria.

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    I think Donald Trump says he 100% supports Israel as he knows to not do so would be political suicide.If he should win I do not think he would let Bibi speak in front of our Congress trying to incite us to go after Iran while Israel reaps the benefits.He understands the power they wield in America and how they control our politicians,media,financial institutions and legal profession and I do not think he likes it.They manipulated us into the Iraq way which cost us trillions and 500,000 lives but worse an entire religion,if that what you want to call it, that hates us and wants to seek revenge.Should he win which I fully support we will see many things happen very quickly that will put America on the path of recovery.If he does not I will lose hope.
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  17. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Mark Green
    Mega-billionaire crypto-Israelis like Adelson and Sabin (as well as countless, pro-Zionst NGOs) dominate Washington and enjoy extraordinary influence in London, in Paris, in Frankfurt and in Brussels. Additionally, there are politically-active Jewish communities in virtually all of the world's developed nations. And they stay in touch with one another.

    At the same time, Zionists hold most of the key positions of power in Hollywood as well as throughout America's news media.

    Wall Street is similarly pro-Israel, with big checks being written for an array of candidates just so long as none deviate from the Zionist script. No deviation is allowed. Even a 'whiff' of antisemitism will not be tolerated. Hitler, remember.

    See for yourself: no candidate seeking high US office is hostile to Zionism, even though tiny, recalcitrant Israel consumes a disproportionate amount of Washington's energy, depletes our treasury, initiates wars, and dominates America's political landscape. Being pro-Israel is nevertheless Washington's most essential litmus test. Non-conformity is not an option.

    In fact, any rising pol that exhibits 'hostility' to the Israeli-Washington special relationship is preemptively scrubbed before they run for county clerk. It's part and parcel of what our two political parties do. There will be no exceptions. This political value also permeates mainstream news and entertainment. Hitler, remember.

    This is Israel's ongoing policy of 'preemption' in America. It has been with us for decades. And it is now more entrenched than ever.

    With that in mind, a case can be made that it is Israel--not Washington--that is the world's foremost superpower.

    With that in mind, a case can be made that it is Israel–not Washington–that is the world’s foremost superpower.

    True, in many important aspects. But the question remains–how did it come to it? It is one thing to state more or less obvious facts, totally another is to answer why did it happen. Answering this question could be a true trial.

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    & Mark Green, Dec 22 2015

    Query:


    it is Israel–not Washington–that is the world’s foremost superpower.
     
    True, in many important aspects. But the question remains–how did it come to it?

     
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    Response:

    Niccolò Machiavelli
    The Prince, (1532), ch. III

    And on these matters I spoke at Nantes with Rouen, when Valentino, as Cesare Borgia, the son of Pope Alexander, was usually called, occupied the Romagna, and on Cardinal Rouen observing to me that the Italians did not understand war, I replied to him that the French did not understand statecraft, meaning that otherwise they would not have allowed the Church to reach such greatness.

    And in fact it has been seen that the greatness of the Church and of Spain [insert of Israel] in Italy [insert in United States and in Palestine] has been caused by France [insert the United States], and her ruin may be attributed to them.

    From this a general rule is drawn which never or rarely fails: that he who is the cause of another becoming powerful is ruined; because that predominancy has been brought about either by astuteness or else by force, and both are distrusted by him who has been raised to power.
     
    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1232/1232-h/1232-h.htm
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  18. Rehmat says:

    Mr. Giraldi knows well that as long as America’s corrupt and immoral Christian politicians are at the payroll of Jewish oligarchs – Israel will keep winning – not only politically but also keep robbing US taxpayers of trillions of dollars.

    As for “Iranophobia” is concerned – it’s as much a myth as Antisemitism.

    In September 2015, American vice-president Joe Biden admitted this fact. The only thing that would satisfy (US-Iran nuclear) deal opponents including Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, is a regime change that could only come with US power, Biden said during a speech at the Ahavath Achim synagogue in Atlanta.

    No idiots can call Joe Biden an anti-Semite – as both his son-in-law and daughter-in-law are Jewish.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/12/16/iaea-closes-book-on-irans-nuke-myth/

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    Rehmat,

    Calling America's corrupt politicians "Christian" is patently ridiculous and you should know better. If they were truly Christian they wouldn't be doing what they are doing.

    Any idiot can call himself a Christian while he cheers the bombings of innocents in Gaza, but calling yourself one and acting like one are two different things.
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  19. Rurik says:

    the date of the beginning of the end of Western Civilization at 1948.

    1913

    Dec, 23rd in fact. The day Rothschild was given the keys to the Treasury

    from then on the ascendancy of the tribe and the genocidal destruction of the West was assured

    we’re living on borrowed time unless we find a way to end the Fed

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  20. alexander says:

    Dear Mr Giraldi,

    It seems there is one candidate, who presents himself as ” not ” a wholly owned subsidiary of the ” Beyond-the-law Billionaires bellowing for even more Belligerence” ……That candidate seems to be Donald Trump.

    Is it a mistake to see” The Donald”, in being wealthy enough to fund his “own” campaign, as being independent enough to speak his “own” mind ?

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    That's another White Supremacist BS. Trump is financed by his Jewish friend Adelson - something he admitted himself. Do you believe Trump became billionaire without Jewish help? May be you should put that question to supporters of Trump's anti-Muslim crap like Pat Buchanan and Dr. Kevin MacDonald.
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  21. @Fran Macadam
    "At this point it is almost certain that both Saban and Adelson will become the largest single donors for whoever becomes the GOP and Democratic candidates. That will buy them enormous access, as Hillary Clinton has already demonstrated. Given that reality one has to accept the obvious conclusion that the two Israeli billionaires might well be able to substantially define the relationship between Washington and the Muslim world, to Israel’s benefit."

    Amplified by the latest investigative salvo from the perennially credible Seymour Hersh, who reveals that the pernicious policies that are bought are so contrary to U.S. strategic interests, that the military brass has had enough and is actively undermining them:

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

    I read the Hersh article. What is missing (in my estimation) is the taboo subject of the split in the American military officer corps itself; the division between secular and Christian dominion officers. There is ample evidence of this developed by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which has received direct feedback at the general officer level in the command structures explaining any push-back against the hardcore Christians pushing forward their agenda within our military can be a career ending move. So now, you have what? General officers who see the middle east conflict as a crusade and religious duty and general officers who see through a secular geopolitical lens. Until this tension is resolved, I doubt we’re going to see any clear and stable policy. Maybe a clue to the “mystery” Hersh closes with?

    And perhaps it can get even more sticky than that; considering the highly classified circumstance where CIA officers are concurrently American military officers in a career cover…

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  22. RobinG says:
    @Fran Macadam
    "At this point it is almost certain that both Saban and Adelson will become the largest single donors for whoever becomes the GOP and Democratic candidates. That will buy them enormous access, as Hillary Clinton has already demonstrated. Given that reality one has to accept the obvious conclusion that the two Israeli billionaires might well be able to substantially define the relationship between Washington and the Muslim world, to Israel’s benefit."

    Amplified by the latest investigative salvo from the perennially credible Seymour Hersh, who reveals that the pernicious policies that are bought are so contrary to U.S. strategic interests, that the military brass has had enough and is actively undermining them:

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

    But it’s interesting to note*, Fran, that one alleged ally of our military brass were none other than Israeli intelligence, who are apparently less pernicious than our own civilian government. Go figure.

    *In Seymour Hersh’s article (worth reading)

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  23. Sherman says:

    “He has said he regrets serving in the U.S. Army in World War Two while also expressing a fervent desire to have a son who would serve as an Israeli military sniper”

    I checked Giraldi’s link for the source of this information about Adelson. His source is a pro-Palestinian and viciously anti-Israel website.

    Their source for this information is a dead link.

    I did a Google search for any information in which Adelson expressed any regret for serving his country. Funny, absolutely NOTHING came up besides this pro-Palestinian site that Giraldi gets his information from. (Trust me, I found plenty of negative stuff about Adelson out there).

    I highly doubt that “Electronic Intifada” is the most reliable or objective source of information relating to news about Israel.

    If Giraldi wants to make his living bashing Jews and Israel that’s his right. However, he should be able to responsibly back up the sources of his venom.

    Grimaldi is simply rehashing and regurgitating outright lies. He is lazy and irresponsible.

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    Okay, okay ...... you don't like pro-Palestinian bug - so how about an American Jewish bug - The Washington Post?

    “What are we going to negotiate about? What I would say is, ‘Listen, you see that desert out there? I want to show you something,'” Adelson said at Yeshiva University. “You pick up your cellphone, and you call somewhere in Nebraska, and you say, ‘okay, let it go.’ So there’s an atomic weapon goes over — ballistic missiles — in the middle of the desert that doesn’t hurt a soul.”

    Adelson continued: “Then you say, ‘See? The next one is in the middle of Tehran.’ So, we mean business. You want to be wiped out? Go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear development.


    Now, tell me who study Holy Talmud - Adelson or Netanyahu?

    On October 27, 2015, Arthur Topham appeared in a British Columbia court to defend his freedom of speech rights. He is accused by B’nai B’rith of inciting hatred toward Canadian Jewish community (310,000 in country’s population of 35 million). BC province is home to 32,000 Jews.

    Topham is also accused of believing anti-Jewish ‘conspiracy theories’ like The Protocols, 9/11, etc. and re-blogging anti-Israel articles from other websites. If convicted, Topham will spend some time in a jail, in addition to a heavy fine and his website, Radical Press, would be removed from internet – like British vicar Stephen Sizer‘s personal blog 7 months ago.

    Terry Wilson, ex-anti-hate crime squad detective had accused Arthur Topham of quoting anti-Jew statements from Elizabeth Dillings’ book, The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today. While cross-examining, Topham’s defense lawyer asked Wilson if he had read Ms Dillings’ book, he replied that he did. When further questioned that if he had cross-checked the book’s allegations with Talmud, Wilson admitted that he had never read Talmud. However, Wilson lauded Talmud as one of Jews “Holy” books and attempting to convince the Jury that any negative criticism of it was just pure anti-Semitism and hatred (here).

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/10/30/talmud-in-canadian-court/
    , @Mr. Anon
    "I did a Google search for any information in which Adelson expressed any regret for serving his country. Funny, absolutely NOTHING came up besides this pro-Palestinian site that Giraldi gets his information from. (Trust me, I found plenty of negative stuff about Adelson out there)."

    Perhaps you are incompetent. I googled the following text string: "sheldon adelson regrets serving in the US army" and the third hit I came up with was this:

    Sheldon Adelson

    "The uniform I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform..........."

    , @Rurik

    Adelson expressed any regret for serving his country.
     
    "serving his country"

    If Sheldon had to choose between Israel and the US, no one believes for one second that he'd be loyal to the US, but he has the nads to openly manipulate our presidential politics in the service of another country with wildly conflicting values.

    He should be tarred and feathered and sent packing to 'his country'
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  24. Mr. Anon says:

    This article aptly described the carrot that is dangled before American politicians and media figures. But what about the stick? Not just the smearing in the media they can expect if they represent their own country rather than another country (witness the way that Ron Paul was treated). Blackmail. Amdocs was an Israeli company, and its ownership is still, I belive in the hands of those sympathetic to Israel. As the primary telephone biller in the US, Amdocs had the means to cultivate targets for blackmail. Of course, there are many more ways of doing so now. For example, one can wonder exactly who or for what the NSA actually works.

    Our politicians are bought, but they are more than just bought. They are coerced.

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  25. geokat62 says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I'm here to quibble though your articles carry weight with credit. On a relatively trivial matter I am sorry that you undermined your standing as a sage and heavyweight pundit with "the nifty weapons that can be used to kill Palestinian children".

    Apart from that.... what reason is there to suppose Hillary would stay bought? Especially in a second term?

    On the question of who is a foreign agent who should register you have failed to sew up your case. It is not enough just to quote what is said about the relevant legislation: if you want to be sure and make others sure about its proper interpretation you need to quote the actual statute.

    On the question of who is a foreign agent who should register you have failed to sew up your case. It is not enough just to quote what is said about the relevant legislation: if you want to be sure and make others sure about its proper interpretation you need to quote the actual statute.

    Ok, WofP, ask and you shall receive. Here is an excerpt of the said Act:

    [MORE]

    SUBCHAPTER II—REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN PROPAGANDISTS

    § 611. Definitions

    (b) The term ‘‘foreign principal’’ includes—
    (1) a government of a foreign country and a

    foreign political party;
    (2) a person outside of the United States, un-

    less it is established that such person is an in- dividual and a citizen of and domiciled within the United States, or that such person is not an individual and is organized under or cre- ated by the laws of the United States or of any State or other place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and has its principal place of business within the United States; and

    (3) a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its prin- cipal place of business in a foreign country.

    (c) Expect1 as provided in subsection (d) of this section, the term ‘‘agent of a foreign principal’’ means—

    (1) any person who acts as an agent, rep- resentative, employee, or servant, or any per- son who acts in any other capacity at the order, request, or under the direction or con- trol, of a foreign principal or of a person any of whose activities are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or in major part by a for- eign principal, and who directly or through any other person—

    (i) engages within the United States in po- litical activities for or in the interests of such foreign principal;

    (ii) acts within the United States as a pub- lic relations counsel, publicity agent, infor- mation-service employee or political con- sultant for or in the interests of such foreign principal;

    (iii) within the United States solicits, col- lects, disburses, or dispenses contributions, loans, money, or other things of value for or in the interest of such foreign principal; or

    (iv) within the United States represents the interests of such foreign principal before any agency or official of the Government of the United States; and

    (2) any person who agrees, consents, assumes or purports to act as, or who is or holds him- self out to be, whether or not pursuant to con- tractual relationship, an agent of a foreign principal as defined in clause (1) of this sub- section.

    (d) The term ‘‘agent of a foreign principal’’ does not include any news or press service or as- sociation organized under the laws of the United States or of any State or other place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, or any newspaper, magazine, periodical, or other publi- cation for which there is on file with the United States Postal Service information in compliance with section 36112 of title 39, published in the United States, solely by virtue of any bona fide news or journalistic activities, including the so- licitation or acceptance of advertisements, sub- scriptions, or other compensation therefor, so long as it is at least 80 per centum beneficially owned by, and its officers and directors, if any, are citizens of the United States, and such news or press service or association, newspaper, mag- azine, periodical, or other publication, is not owned, directed, supervised, controlled, sub- sidized, or financed, and none of its policies are determined by any foreign principal defined in subsection (b) of this section, or by any agent of a foreign principal required to register under this subchapter;

    (e) The term ‘‘government of a foreign coun- try’’ includes any person or group of persons ex- ercising sovereign de facto or de jure political jurisdiction over any country, other than the United States, or over any part of such country, and includes any subdivision of any such group and any group or agency to which such sov- ereign de facto or de jure authority or functions are directly or indirectly delegated. Such term shall include any faction or body of insurgents within a country assuming to exercise govern- mental authority whether such faction or body of insurgents has or has not been recognized by the United States;

    (f) The term ‘‘foreign political party’’ includes any organization or any other combination of individuals in a country other than the United States, or any unit or branch thereof, having for an aim or purpose, or which is engaged in any activity devoted in whole or in part to, the es- tablishment, administration, control, or acquisi- tion of administration or control, of a govern- ment of a foreign country or a subdivision there- of, or the furtherance or influencing of the polit- ical or public interests, policies, or relations of a government of a foreign country or a subdivi- sion thereof;

    (g) The term ‘‘public-relations counsel’’ in- cludes any person who engages directly or indi- rectly in informing, advising, or in any way rep- resenting a principal in any public relations matter pertaining to political or public inter- ests, policies, or relations of such principal;

    (h) The term ‘‘publicity agent’’ includes any person who engages directly or indirectly in the publication or dissemination of oral, visual, graphic, written, or pictorial information or matter of any kind, including publication by means of advertising, books, periodicals, news- papers, lectures, broadcasts, motion pictures, or otherwise;

    (i) The term ‘‘information-service employee’’ includes any person who is engaged in furnish- ing, disseminating, or publishing accounts, de- scriptions, information, or data with respect to the political, industrial, employment, economic, social, cultural, or other benefits, advantages, facts, or conditions of any country other than the United States or of any government of a for- eign country or of a foreign political party or of a partnership, association, corporation, organi- zation, or other combination of individuals orga- nized under the laws of, or having its principal place of business in, a foreign country;

    (j) Repealed. Pub. L. 104–65, §9(1)(A), Dec. 19, 1995, 109 Stat. 699.

    (k) The term ‘‘registration statement’’ means the registration statement required to be filed with the Attorney General under section 612(a) of this title, and any supplements thereto re- quired to be filed under section 612(b) of this title, and includes all documents and papers re- quired to be filed therewith or amendatory thereof or supplemental thereto, whether at- tached thereto or incorporated therein by ref- erence;

    (l) The term ‘‘American republic’’ includes any of the states which were signatory to the Final Act of the Second Meeting of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the American Republics at Habana, Cuba, July 30, 1940;

    (m) The term ‘‘United States’’, when used in a geographical sense, includes the several States, the District of Columbia, the Territories, the Canal Zone, the insular possessions, and all other places now or hereafter subject to the civil or military jurisdiction of the United States;

    (n) The term ‘‘prints’’ means newspapers and periodicals, books, pamphlets, sheet music, visiting cards, address cards, printing proofs, engravings, photographs, pictures, drawings, plans, maps, patterns to be cut out, catalogs, prospectuses, advertisements, and printed, en- graved, lithographed, or autographed notices of various kinds, and, in general, all impressions or reproductions obtained on paper or other mate- rial assimilable to paper, on parchment or on cardboard, by means of printing, engraving, li- thography, autography, or any other easily rec- ognizable mechanical process, with the excep- tion of the copying press, stamps with movable or immovable type, and the typewriter;

    (o) The term ‘‘political activities’’ means any activity that the person engaging in believes will, or that the person intends to, in any way influence any agency or official of the Govern- ment of the United States or any section of the public within the United States with reference to formulating, adopting, or changing the do- mestic or foreign policies of the United States or with reference to the political or public inter- ests, policies, or relations of a government of a foreign country or a foreign political party;

    (p) The term ‘‘political consultant’’ means any person who engages in informing or advising any other person with reference to the domestic or foreign policies of the United States or the po- litical or public interest, policies, or relations of a foreign country or of a foreign political party.

    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2009-title22/pdf/USCODE-2009-title22-chap11-subchapII.pdf

    For those who are unaware, there have been several previous attempts to get Israel Lobby groups registered under FARA:

    ZOA ordered to register as Israeli foreign agent seven times – declassified Justice Department files

    WASHINGTON, Nov. 21, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The following is being released by Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy:

    The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) was ordered on seven separate occasions to register under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) according to newly declassified Department of Justice (DOJ) files. On October 17, 2012 the National Archives and Records Administration released under FOIA the long-secret files, now available online at the Israel Lobby Archive.

    ZOA incorporated on April 14, 1920 in New York. DOJ officials determined in 1947 that ZOA was controlled by the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a global entity composed of dues-paying members committed to the Zionist program for a Jewish state in Palestine. ZOA activities, negotiations with governments and NGOs were all subject to WZO approval. ZOA regarded WZO as the ultimate disciplinary and dispute resolution authority. ZOA was also beholden to WZO orders for unspecified “political actions of another kind.”

    In 1956 ZOA Pittsburgh chapter President Zalman Shapiro incorporated the Nuclear Material and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) which operated a nuclear processing facility on the Apollo Industries steel site. Future ZOA national president Ivan Novick was an original Apollo Industries founder. The FBI investigated excessive NUMEC losses of weapons-grade uranium and Shapiro’s 1960s interactions with Rafael Eitan, an Israeli spymaster who later ran Jonathan Pollard against the United States. NUMEC established a joint venture with the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, later revealed by researcher Avner Cohen to be a front for Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons program. A 2001 Energy Department audit found that NUMEC lost more weapons-grade uranium (337 kilograms) than any other facility in U.S. history. Declassified CIA and FBI files reveal US officials believed NUMEC illegally diverted nuclear material to Israel.

    The newly released DOJ files reveal a secret 1948 meeting where the Attorney General promised to exempt ZOA from all FARA registration and prosecutions in exchange for changes to ZOA/WZO governing documents. However reports filed by Justice Department staff responsible for FARA enforcement reveal that even by 1960 the promised changes had not been made. ZOA is currently attempting to regain tax-exempt status revoked by the IRS in 2011.

    The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is the nation’s record keeper. It retains 1%-3% of the most important documents of business conducted by the United States Federal government. The Israel Lobby Archive, http://IRmep.org/ila is a unit of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington.

    SOURCE Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy

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    Thanks. A half-decent tax lawyer could skim that at the bar after golf and assure his friend that his organisation had a gateway provided through which five chariots could drive side by side....
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  26. Ben says:

    American politicians favoring a friendly democracy over the various totalitarian polities in the region? Shocking!

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  27. Rehmat says:
    @alexander
    Dear Mr Giraldi,

    It seems there is one candidate, who presents himself as " not " a wholly owned subsidiary of the " Beyond-the-law Billionaires bellowing for even more Belligerence" ......That candidate seems to be Donald Trump.

    Is it a mistake to see" The Donald", in being wealthy enough to fund his "own" campaign, as being independent enough to speak his "own" mind ?

    That’s another White Supremacist BS. Trump is financed by his Jewish friend Adelson – something he admitted himself. Do you believe Trump became billionaire without Jewish help? May be you should put that question to supporters of Trump’s anti-Muslim crap like Pat Buchanan and Dr. Kevin MacDonald.

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  28. Rehmat says:
    @Sherman
    "He has said he regrets serving in the U.S. Army in World War Two while also expressing a fervent desire to have a son who would serve as an Israeli military sniper"

    I checked Giraldi's link for the source of this information about Adelson. His source is a pro-Palestinian and viciously anti-Israel website.

    Their source for this information is a dead link.

    I did a Google search for any information in which Adelson expressed any regret for serving his country. Funny, absolutely NOTHING came up besides this pro-Palestinian site that Giraldi gets his information from. (Trust me, I found plenty of negative stuff about Adelson out there).

    I highly doubt that "Electronic Intifada" is the most reliable or objective source of information relating to news about Israel.

    If Giraldi wants to make his living bashing Jews and Israel that's his right. However, he should be able to responsibly back up the sources of his venom.

    Grimaldi is simply rehashing and regurgitating outright lies. He is lazy and irresponsible.

    Okay, okay …… you don’t like pro-Palestinian bug – so how about an American Jewish bug – The Washington Post?

    “What are we going to negotiate about? What I would say is, ‘Listen, you see that desert out there? I want to show you something,’” Adelson said at Yeshiva University. “You pick up your cellphone, and you call somewhere in Nebraska, and you say, ‘okay, let it go.’ So there’s an atomic weapon goes over — ballistic missiles — in the middle of the desert that doesn’t hurt a soul.”

    Adelson continued: “Then you say, ‘See? The next one is in the middle of Tehran.’ So, we mean business. You want to be wiped out? Go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear development.

    Now, tell me who study Holy Talmud – Adelson or Netanyahu?

    On October 27, 2015, Arthur Topham appeared in a British Columbia court to defend his freedom of speech rights. He is accused by B’nai B’rith of inciting hatred toward Canadian Jewish community (310,000 in country’s population of 35 million). BC province is home to 32,000 Jews.

    Topham is also accused of believing anti-Jewish ‘conspiracy theories’ like The Protocols, 9/11, etc. and re-blogging anti-Israel articles from other websites. If convicted, Topham will spend some time in a jail, in addition to a heavy fine and his website, Radical Press, would be removed from internet – like British vicar Stephen Sizer‘s personal blog 7 months ago.

    Terry Wilson, ex-anti-hate crime squad detective had accused Arthur Topham of quoting anti-Jew statements from Elizabeth Dillings’ book, The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today. While cross-examining, Topham’s defense lawyer asked Wilson if he had read Ms Dillings’ book, he replied that he did. When further questioned that if he had cross-checked the book’s allegations with Talmud, Wilson admitted that he had never read Talmud. However, Wilson lauded Talmud as one of Jews “Holy” books and attempting to convince the Jury that any negative criticism of it was just pure anti-Semitism and hatred (here).

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/10/30/talmud-in-canadian-court/

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    Stop ranting.

    Show me proof where Sheldon Adelson states that he regrets serving in the US Army during WWII - as per Giraldi's claim.
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  29. Sherman says:
    @Rehmat
    Okay, okay ...... you don't like pro-Palestinian bug - so how about an American Jewish bug - The Washington Post?

    “What are we going to negotiate about? What I would say is, ‘Listen, you see that desert out there? I want to show you something,'” Adelson said at Yeshiva University. “You pick up your cellphone, and you call somewhere in Nebraska, and you say, ‘okay, let it go.’ So there’s an atomic weapon goes over — ballistic missiles — in the middle of the desert that doesn’t hurt a soul.”

    Adelson continued: “Then you say, ‘See? The next one is in the middle of Tehran.’ So, we mean business. You want to be wiped out? Go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear development.


    Now, tell me who study Holy Talmud - Adelson or Netanyahu?

    On October 27, 2015, Arthur Topham appeared in a British Columbia court to defend his freedom of speech rights. He is accused by B’nai B’rith of inciting hatred toward Canadian Jewish community (310,000 in country’s population of 35 million). BC province is home to 32,000 Jews.

    Topham is also accused of believing anti-Jewish ‘conspiracy theories’ like The Protocols, 9/11, etc. and re-blogging anti-Israel articles from other websites. If convicted, Topham will spend some time in a jail, in addition to a heavy fine and his website, Radical Press, would be removed from internet – like British vicar Stephen Sizer‘s personal blog 7 months ago.

    Terry Wilson, ex-anti-hate crime squad detective had accused Arthur Topham of quoting anti-Jew statements from Elizabeth Dillings’ book, The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today. While cross-examining, Topham’s defense lawyer asked Wilson if he had read Ms Dillings’ book, he replied that he did. When further questioned that if he had cross-checked the book’s allegations with Talmud, Wilson admitted that he had never read Talmud. However, Wilson lauded Talmud as one of Jews “Holy” books and attempting to convince the Jury that any negative criticism of it was just pure anti-Semitism and hatred (here).

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/10/30/talmud-in-canadian-court/

    Stop ranting.

    Show me proof where Sheldon Adelson states that he regrets serving in the US Army during WWII – as per Giraldi’s claim.

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    Show me proof where Sheldon Adelson states that he regrets serving in the US Army during WWII – as per Giraldi’s claim.

    Sherm, straight from the פערד ס (horse's) mouth:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9jX7a9DFJE
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  30. bondo says:

    off topic: my comments seem to be deleted at steve sailor.

    any body else with this problem.

    of course could be comments are not worthy

    enough detour

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    Nothing new, Sailor comes across as a narcissist whose shallow personality brooks little criticism. He self-moderates and might delete anything showing someone else is pointedly informed on the subject at hand... such as the time I elucidated a bit on Native American rights relating to the USA border with Canada (Sailor hadn't done his homework) per the Jay Treaty. Don't waste your time there (my advice)
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  31. Mr. Anon says:

    “American politicians favoring a friendly democracy over the various totalitarian polities in the region? Shocking!”

    I see little evidence that the government of Israel is “friendly” to the United States. Indeed, corrupting our politicians and interfering in our internal affairs are hardly the actions of a friend.

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    "I see little evidence that the government of Israel is 'friendly' to the United States. Indeed, corrupting our politicians and interfering in our internal affairs are hardly the actions of a friend."

    I associate myself with your comments.

    Israel looks at the U.S. the way a dog looks at a lamppost--as something to piss on.
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  32. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sherman
    "He has said he regrets serving in the U.S. Army in World War Two while also expressing a fervent desire to have a son who would serve as an Israeli military sniper"

    I checked Giraldi's link for the source of this information about Adelson. His source is a pro-Palestinian and viciously anti-Israel website.

    Their source for this information is a dead link.

    I did a Google search for any information in which Adelson expressed any regret for serving his country. Funny, absolutely NOTHING came up besides this pro-Palestinian site that Giraldi gets his information from. (Trust me, I found plenty of negative stuff about Adelson out there).

    I highly doubt that "Electronic Intifada" is the most reliable or objective source of information relating to news about Israel.

    If Giraldi wants to make his living bashing Jews and Israel that's his right. However, he should be able to responsibly back up the sources of his venom.

    Grimaldi is simply rehashing and regurgitating outright lies. He is lazy and irresponsible.

    “I did a Google search for any information in which Adelson expressed any regret for serving his country. Funny, absolutely NOTHING came up besides this pro-Palestinian site that Giraldi gets his information from. (Trust me, I found plenty of negative stuff about Adelson out there).”

    Perhaps you are incompetent. I googled the following text string: “sheldon adelson regrets serving in the US army” and the third hit I came up with was this:

    Sheldon Adelson

    “The uniform I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform………..”

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    First of all, being that Adelson was 12 years old when WWII ended, I don't see how he could have possibly served in this war (as Giraldi claims).

    Secondly, at no point does Adelson express "regret" for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is "unfortunate" that he never served in the Israeli military.

    Third, as far as wishing that his "son" becomes a sniper for the IDF Adelson simply jokes that maybe someday his young grandchild will join the IDF.

    Adelson's comments might be stupid or even offensive but Giraldi has taken them wildly out of context.
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  33. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Phil, I believe it is a typo–not to serve in US Army in WW II (Adelson was a boy then) but simply in US Army.

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  34. The U.S.A is way too important to be left alone. Exceptional nations need exceptional oversight by exceptional people.

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  35. @bondo
    off topic: my comments seem to be deleted at steve sailor.

    any body else with this problem.

    of course could be comments are not worthy

    enough detour

    Nothing new, Sailor comes across as a narcissist whose shallow personality brooks little criticism. He self-moderates and might delete anything showing someone else is pointedly informed on the subject at hand… such as the time I elucidated a bit on Native American rights relating to the USA border with Canada (Sailor hadn’t done his homework) per the Jay Treaty. Don’t waste your time there (my advice)

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    ps, Sailor's other trick is to leave a comment waiting moderation until it will be buried by other comments - chickenshit method
    , @bondo
    you could be right. not that familiar with him.
    just revisited and comments are there again.
    ??
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  36. @Ronald Thomas West
    Nothing new, Sailor comes across as a narcissist whose shallow personality brooks little criticism. He self-moderates and might delete anything showing someone else is pointedly informed on the subject at hand... such as the time I elucidated a bit on Native American rights relating to the USA border with Canada (Sailor hadn't done his homework) per the Jay Treaty. Don't waste your time there (my advice)

    ps, Sailor’s other trick is to leave a comment waiting moderation until it will be buried by other comments – chickenshit method

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    Don't you think moderators might not be playing tricks but simply giving low priority to checking some comments in a busy day - like "OMG not another tendentious RTW essay to mark".
    , @Astuteobservor II
    ahah, he pulled the same trick twice on my comments, and I finally called him out on it.

    why can't he just tell commentators straight out to stop commenting on his blogs? afraid of showing his true colors I bet.
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  37. iffen says:

    Jews hedging their political bets. Wow! If they ever apply that to financial assets they could get rich.

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  38. geokat62 says:
    @Sherman
    Stop ranting.

    Show me proof where Sheldon Adelson states that he regrets serving in the US Army during WWII - as per Giraldi's claim.

    Show me proof where Sheldon Adelson states that he regrets serving in the US Army during WWII – as per Giraldi’s claim.

    Sherm, straight from the פערד ס (horse’s) mouth:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9jX7a9DFJE

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    Actually, "ferd" is Yiddish for horse.

    "Soos" is Hebrew for horse.

    However, I respect your command of Jewish languages. You must have been at the top of your class in Hebrew school.
    , @bunga
    I won’t and neither you should be surprised if he asks for proof again in another time in the future .
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  39. bondo says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    Nothing new, Sailor comes across as a narcissist whose shallow personality brooks little criticism. He self-moderates and might delete anything showing someone else is pointedly informed on the subject at hand... such as the time I elucidated a bit on Native American rights relating to the USA border with Canada (Sailor hadn't done his homework) per the Jay Treaty. Don't waste your time there (my advice)

    you could be right. not that familiar with him.
    just revisited and comments are there again.
    ??

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  40. @Andrei Martyanov

    With that in mind, a case can be made that it is Israel–not Washington–that is the world’s foremost superpower.
     
    True, in many important aspects. But the question remains--how did it come to it? It is one thing to state more or less obvious facts, totally another is to answer why did it happen. Answering this question could be a true trial.

    & Mark Green, Dec 22 2015

    Query:

    it is Israel–not Washington–that is the world’s foremost superpower.

    True, in many important aspects. But the question remains–how did it come to it?

    —–
    Response:

    Niccolò Machiavelli
    The Prince, (1532), ch. III

    And on these matters I spoke at Nantes with Rouen, when Valentino, as Cesare Borgia, the son of Pope Alexander, was usually called, occupied the Romagna, and on Cardinal Rouen observing to me that the Italians did not understand war, I replied to him that the French did not understand statecraft, meaning that otherwise they would not have allowed the Church to reach such greatness.

    And in fact it has been seen that the greatness of the Church and of Spain [insert of Israel] in Italy [insert in United States and in Palestine] has been caused by France [insert the United States], and her ruin may be attributed to them.

    From this a general rule is drawn which never or rarely fails: that he who is the cause of another becoming powerful is ruined; because that predominancy has been brought about either by astuteness or else by force, and both are distrusted by him who has been raised to power.

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1232/1232-h/1232-h.htm

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  41. So some people are upset because a certain ethnic group has gained control of a mechanism designed specifically to control people. ‘Tis a pity.

    A parasite parasitizing a parasite? Hypocrisy? Irony? Obliviousness? Hereditary group genetics failure?

    Frustrated control freaks cheated out of their vicarious control fix?

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  42. Sherman says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "I did a Google search for any information in which Adelson expressed any regret for serving his country. Funny, absolutely NOTHING came up besides this pro-Palestinian site that Giraldi gets his information from. (Trust me, I found plenty of negative stuff about Adelson out there)."

    Perhaps you are incompetent. I googled the following text string: "sheldon adelson regrets serving in the US army" and the third hit I came up with was this:

    Sheldon Adelson

    "The uniform I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform..........."

    First of all, being that Adelson was 12 years old when WWII ended, I don’t see how he could have possibly served in this war (as Giraldi claims).

    Secondly, at no point does Adelson express “regret” for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is “unfortunate” that he never served in the Israeli military.

    Third, as far as wishing that his “son” becomes a sniper for the IDF Adelson simply jokes that maybe someday his young grandchild will join the IDF.

    Adelson’s comments might be stupid or even offensive but Giraldi has taken them wildly out of context.

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    It's a worry that Giraldi has blotted his copybook in this post so much. But maybe it's a good thing for those of us who give him too much credit.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Secondly, at no point does Adelson express “regret” for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is “unfortunate” that he never served in the Israeli military."

    No, a patriotic American who is proud of his service in the US army would not say "“The uniform I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform………..”. The sole mention of his service in American arms was as an "unfortunate" contrast to what he (said) he really would have liked to have done. It was implicitly derogatory.

    You are wrong. You were wrong. You may as well admit it. And - as you elided over - those were his own words, not hard to find either. But you chose to ignore that hit. Your objection, on that accout anyway, was disingenuous.
    , @Realist
    "Secondly, at no point does Adelson express “regret” for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is “unfortunate” that he never served in the Israeli military."

    You are rewriting Adelson's comment.
    , @Art
    "Adelson’s comments might be stupid or even offensive but Giraldi has taken them wildly out of context.."


    Gee Sherm.

    You left out the anti-Semite charge?$$#%^%?

    Hate to see it, but your hasbara supervisor is going to dock you.

    Your friend -- Art

    p.s. Get it back -- go ahead - hit me with everything you got.
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  43. Sherman says:
    @geokat62
    Show me proof where Sheldon Adelson states that he regrets serving in the US Army during WWII – as per Giraldi’s claim.

    Sherm, straight from the פערד ס (horse's) mouth:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9jX7a9DFJE

    Actually, “ferd” is Yiddish for horse.

    “Soos” is Hebrew for horse.

    However, I respect your command of Jewish languages. You must have been at the top of your class in Hebrew school.

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    You must have been at the top of your class in Hebrew school.

     

    No, Sherm. I was actually at the top of my class in Yiddish school... hence my preference for "ferd."
    , @chris
    and "Soros" is english for horse's ass
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  44. bunga says:
    @geokat62
    Show me proof where Sheldon Adelson states that he regrets serving in the US Army during WWII – as per Giraldi’s claim.

    Sherm, straight from the פערד ס (horse's) mouth:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9jX7a9DFJE

    I won’t and neither you should be surprised if he asks for proof again in another time in the future .

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  45. @geokat62

    On the question of who is a foreign agent who should register you have failed to sew up your case. It is not enough just to quote what is said about the relevant legislation: if you want to be sure and make others sure about its proper interpretation you need to quote the actual statute.
     
    Ok, WofP, ask and you shall receive. Here is an excerpt of the said Act:


    SUBCHAPTER II—REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN PROPAGANDISTS

    § 611. Definitions

    (b) The term ‘‘foreign principal’’ includes—
    (1) a government of a foreign country and a

    foreign political party;
    (2) a person outside of the United States, un-

    less it is established that such person is an in- dividual and a citizen of and domiciled within the United States, or that such person is not an individual and is organized under or cre- ated by the laws of the United States or of any State or other place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and has its principal place of business within the United States; and

    (3) a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its prin- cipal place of business in a foreign country.

    (c) Expect1 as provided in subsection (d) of this section, the term ‘‘agent of a foreign principal’’ means—

    (1) any person who acts as an agent, rep- resentative, employee, or servant, or any per- son who acts in any other capacity at the order, request, or under the direction or con- trol, of a foreign principal or of a person any of whose activities are directly or indirectly supervised, directed, controlled, financed, or subsidized in whole or in major part by a for- eign principal, and who directly or through any other person—

    (i) engages within the United States in po- litical activities for or in the interests of such foreign principal;

    (ii) acts within the United States as a pub- lic relations counsel, publicity agent, infor- mation-service employee or political con- sultant for or in the interests of such foreign principal;

    (iii) within the United States solicits, col- lects, disburses, or dispenses contributions, loans, money, or other things of value for or in the interest of such foreign principal; or

    (iv) within the United States represents the interests of such foreign principal before any agency or official of the Government of the United States; and

    (2) any person who agrees, consents, assumes or purports to act as, or who is or holds him- self out to be, whether or not pursuant to con- tractual relationship, an agent of a foreign principal as defined in clause (1) of this sub- section.

    (d) The term ‘‘agent of a foreign principal’’ does not include any news or press service or as- sociation organized under the laws of the United States or of any State or other place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, or any newspaper, magazine, periodical, or other publi- cation for which there is on file with the United States Postal Service information in compliance with section 36112 of title 39, published in the United States, solely by virtue of any bona fide news or journalistic activities, including the so- licitation or acceptance of advertisements, sub- scriptions, or other compensation therefor, so long as it is at least 80 per centum beneficially owned by, and its officers and directors, if any, are citizens of the United States, and such news or press service or association, newspaper, mag- azine, periodical, or other publication, is not owned, directed, supervised, controlled, sub- sidized, or financed, and none of its policies are determined by any foreign principal defined in subsection (b) of this section, or by any agent of a foreign principal required to register under this subchapter;

    (e) The term ‘‘government of a foreign coun- try’’ includes any person or group of persons ex- ercising sovereign de facto or de jure political jurisdiction over any country, other than the United States, or over any part of such country, and includes any subdivision of any such group and any group or agency to which such sov- ereign de facto or de jure authority or functions are directly or indirectly delegated. Such term shall include any faction or body of insurgents within a country assuming to exercise govern- mental authority whether such faction or body of insurgents has or has not been recognized by the United States;

    (f) The term ‘‘foreign political party’’ includes any organization or any other combination of individuals in a country other than the United States, or any unit or branch thereof, having for an aim or purpose, or which is engaged in any activity devoted in whole or in part to, the es- tablishment, administration, control, or acquisi- tion of administration or control, of a govern- ment of a foreign country or a subdivision there- of, or the furtherance or influencing of the polit- ical or public interests, policies, or relations of a government of a foreign country or a subdivi- sion thereof;

    (g) The term ‘‘public-relations counsel’’ in- cludes any person who engages directly or indi- rectly in informing, advising, or in any way rep- resenting a principal in any public relations matter pertaining to political or public inter- ests, policies, or relations of such principal;

    (h) The term ‘‘publicity agent’’ includes any person who engages directly or indirectly in the publication or dissemination of oral, visual, graphic, written, or pictorial information or matter of any kind, including publication by means of advertising, books, periodicals, news- papers, lectures, broadcasts, motion pictures, or otherwise;

    (i) The term ‘‘information-service employee’’ includes any person who is engaged in furnish- ing, disseminating, or publishing accounts, de- scriptions, information, or data with respect to the political, industrial, employment, economic, social, cultural, or other benefits, advantages, facts, or conditions of any country other than the United States or of any government of a for- eign country or of a foreign political party or of a partnership, association, corporation, organi- zation, or other combination of individuals orga- nized under the laws of, or having its principal place of business in, a foreign country;

    (j) Repealed. Pub. L. 104–65, §9(1)(A), Dec. 19, 1995, 109 Stat. 699.

    (k) The term ‘‘registration statement’’ means the registration statement required to be filed with the Attorney General under section 612(a) of this title, and any supplements thereto re- quired to be filed under section 612(b) of this title, and includes all documents and papers re- quired to be filed therewith or amendatory thereof or supplemental thereto, whether at- tached thereto or incorporated therein by ref- erence;

    (l) The term ‘‘American republic’’ includes any of the states which were signatory to the Final Act of the Second Meeting of the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the American Republics at Habana, Cuba, July 30, 1940;

    (m) The term ‘‘United States’’, when used in a geographical sense, includes the several States, the District of Columbia, the Territories, the Canal Zone, the insular possessions, and all other places now or hereafter subject to the civil or military jurisdiction of the United States;

    (n) The term ‘‘prints’’ means newspapers and periodicals, books, pamphlets, sheet music, visiting cards, address cards, printing proofs, engravings, photographs, pictures, drawings, plans, maps, patterns to be cut out, catalogs, prospectuses, advertisements, and printed, en- graved, lithographed, or autographed notices of various kinds, and, in general, all impressions or reproductions obtained on paper or other mate- rial assimilable to paper, on parchment or on cardboard, by means of printing, engraving, li- thography, autography, or any other easily rec- ognizable mechanical process, with the excep- tion of the copying press, stamps with movable or immovable type, and the typewriter;

    (o) The term ‘‘political activities’’ means any activity that the person engaging in believes will, or that the person intends to, in any way influence any agency or official of the Govern- ment of the United States or any section of the public within the United States with reference to formulating, adopting, or changing the do- mestic or foreign policies of the United States or with reference to the political or public inter- ests, policies, or relations of a government of a foreign country or a foreign political party;

    (p) The term ‘‘political consultant’’ means any person who engages in informing or advising any other person with reference to the domestic or foreign policies of the United States or the po- litical or public interest, policies, or relations of a foreign country or of a foreign political party.

    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2009-title22/pdf/USCODE-2009-title22-chap11-subchapII.pdf
     
    For those who are unaware, there have been several previous attempts to get Israel Lobby groups registered under FARA:

    ZOA ordered to register as Israeli foreign agent seven times – declassified Justice Department files

    WASHINGTON, Nov. 21, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The following is being released by Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy:

    The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) was ordered on seven separate occasions to register under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) according to newly declassified Department of Justice (DOJ) files. On October 17, 2012 the National Archives and Records Administration released under FOIA the long-secret files, now available online at the Israel Lobby Archive.

    ZOA incorporated on April 14, 1920 in New York. DOJ officials determined in 1947 that ZOA was controlled by the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a global entity composed of dues-paying members committed to the Zionist program for a Jewish state in Palestine. ZOA activities, negotiations with governments and NGOs were all subject to WZO approval. ZOA regarded WZO as the ultimate disciplinary and dispute resolution authority. ZOA was also beholden to WZO orders for unspecified “political actions of another kind.”

    In 1956 ZOA Pittsburgh chapter President Zalman Shapiro incorporated the Nuclear Material and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) which operated a nuclear processing facility on the Apollo Industries steel site. Future ZOA national president Ivan Novick was an original Apollo Industries founder. The FBI investigated excessive NUMEC losses of weapons-grade uranium and Shapiro’s 1960s interactions with Rafael Eitan, an Israeli spymaster who later ran Jonathan Pollard against the United States. NUMEC established a joint venture with the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, later revealed by researcher Avner Cohen to be a front for Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons program. A 2001 Energy Department audit found that NUMEC lost more weapons-grade uranium (337 kilograms) than any other facility in U.S. history. Declassified CIA and FBI files reveal US officials believed NUMEC illegally diverted nuclear material to Israel.

    The newly released DOJ files reveal a secret 1948 meeting where the Attorney General promised to exempt ZOA from all FARA registration and prosecutions in exchange for changes to ZOA/WZO governing documents. However reports filed by Justice Department staff responsible for FARA enforcement reveal that even by 1960 the promised changes had not been made. ZOA is currently attempting to regain tax-exempt status revoked by the IRS in 2011.

    The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is the nation’s record keeper. It retains 1%-3% of the most important documents of business conducted by the United States Federal government. The Israel Lobby Archive, http://IRmep.org/ila is a unit of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington.

    SOURCE Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy
     

    Thanks. A half-decent tax lawyer could skim that at the bar after golf and assure his friend that his organisation had a gateway provided through which five chariots could drive side by side….

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    ...his organisation had a gateway provided through which five chariots could drive side by side….
     
    WofP, why do you think I appended (after the FARA section) the newswire story that underlines your point?:

    For those who are unaware, there have been several previous attempts to get Israel Lobby groups registered under FARA [but to no avail]:

    ZOA ordered to register as Israeli foreign agent seven times – declassified Justice Department files

    WASHINGTON, Nov. 21, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The following is being released by Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy:

    The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) was ordered on seven separate occasions to register under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) according to newly declassified Department of Justice (DOJ) files. On October 17, 2012 the National Archives and Records Administration released under FOIA the long-secret files, now available online at the Israel Lobby Archive.

    ZOA incorporated on April 14, 1920 in New York. DOJ officials determined in 1947 that ZOA was controlled by the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a global entity composed of dues-paying members committed to the Zionist program for a Jewish state in Palestine. ZOA activities, negotiations with governments and NGOs were all subject to WZO approval. ZOA regarded WZO as the ultimate disciplinary and dispute resolution authority. ZOA was also beholden to WZO orders for unspecified “political actions of another kind.”

    In 1956 ZOA Pittsburgh chapter President Zalman Shapiro incorporated the Nuclear Material and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) which operated a nuclear processing facility on the Apollo Industries steel site. Future ZOA national president Ivan Novick was an original Apollo Industries founder. The FBI investigated excessive NUMEC losses of weapons-grade uranium and Shapiro’s 1960s interactions with Rafael Eitan, an Israeli spymaster who later ran Jonathan Pollard against the United States. NUMEC established a joint venture with the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, later revealed by researcher Avner Cohen to be a front for Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons program. A 2001 Energy Department audit found that NUMEC lost more weapons-grade uranium (337 kilograms) than any other facility in U.S. history. Declassified CIA and FBI files reveal US officials believed NUMEC illegally diverted nuclear material to Israel.

    The newly released DOJ files reveal a secret 1948 meeting where the Attorney General promised to exempt ZOA from all FARA registration and prosecutions in exchange for changes to ZOA/WZO governing documents. However reports filed by Justice Department staff responsible for FARA enforcement reveal that even by 1960 the promised changes had not been made. ZOA is currently attempting to regain tax-exempt status revoked by the IRS in 2011.

    The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is the nation’s record keeper. It retains 1%-3% of the most important documents of business conducted by the United States Federal government. The Israel Lobby Archive, http://IRmep.org/ila is a unit of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington.

    SOURCE Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy
     
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  46. joe webb says:

    ” no matter who wins….”?? this suggested to me that an analysis of Trump and his attitudes toward the Judenstaat would be provided.

    Truth in advertising please. We need an analysis of Trump, not more of the same old stuff about Billary and Bibi, etc.

    Joe Webb

    PS I saw that Trump stated that we should just get out of the MW wars….that does not support more of the same per Girardi.

    let us have something that is not just recycled last decade’s news.

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  47. @Sherman
    First of all, being that Adelson was 12 years old when WWII ended, I don't see how he could have possibly served in this war (as Giraldi claims).

    Secondly, at no point does Adelson express "regret" for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is "unfortunate" that he never served in the Israeli military.

    Third, as far as wishing that his "son" becomes a sniper for the IDF Adelson simply jokes that maybe someday his young grandchild will join the IDF.

    Adelson's comments might be stupid or even offensive but Giraldi has taken them wildly out of context.

    It’s a worry that Giraldi has blotted his copybook in this post so much. But maybe it’s a good thing for those of us who give him too much credit.

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  48. schmenz says:
    @Rehmat
    Mr. Giraldi knows well that as long as America's corrupt and immoral Christian politicians are at the payroll of Jewish oligarchs - Israel will keep winning - not only politically but also keep robbing US taxpayers of trillions of dollars.

    As for "Iranophobia" is concerned - it's as much a myth as Antisemitism.

    In September 2015, American vice-president Joe Biden admitted this fact. The only thing that would satisfy (US-Iran nuclear) deal opponents including Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, is a regime change that could only come with US power, Biden said during a speech at the Ahavath Achim synagogue in Atlanta.

    No idiots can call Joe Biden an anti-Semite - as both his son-in-law and daughter-in-law are Jewish.

    http://rehmat1.com/2015/12/16/iaea-closes-book-on-irans-nuke-myth/

    Rehmat,

    Calling America’s corrupt politicians “Christian” is patently ridiculous and you should know better. If they were truly Christian they wouldn’t be doing what they are doing.

    Any idiot can call himself a Christian while he cheers the bombings of innocents in Gaza, but calling yourself one and acting like one are two different things.

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    Dont worry .Muslims are cozying up to the Zionist .Sauids are looking up to Israel for protection .Qataris are discussing how to inetgrtae economy with Israel in the occupied territory. Azerbaizan is already there . ?Pakistan .I wont be surprised .

    Islam unless challenge s these trends will end up experincing the same fate as suffered by the Evangelicals and the wstern civilization.
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  49. @Ronald Thomas West
    ps, Sailor's other trick is to leave a comment waiting moderation until it will be buried by other comments - chickenshit method

    Don’t you think moderators might not be playing tricks but simply giving low priority to checking some comments in a busy day – like “OMG not another tendentious RTW essay to mark”.

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    Hello troll by consensus, long time no hear. My virtual middle finger .!. to you and yours...
    , @Astuteobservor II
    if you don't understand something, it is better to keep your mouth shut. unless you want to give confirmation to your stupidity?
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  50. @Wizard of Oz
    Don't you think moderators might not be playing tricks but simply giving low priority to checking some comments in a busy day - like "OMG not another tendentious RTW essay to mark".

    Hello troll by consensus, long time no hear. My virtual middle finger .!. to you and yours…

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    I'm disappointed. I would have hoped my gentle jest (a jest, but also pointing to something worth saying to those who hadn't put themselves in the shoes of busy moderators whom they criticise) deserved a more sophisticated and civilised response. When I am accused with more or less justice and more or less courtesy of talking too much I try to respond with something that has at least the tone of "But surely you will be pleased to know that I have enough breath left for another hour without paragraph breaks". As I have reason to know about PR and those that employ it I could proffer advice but let it go at suggesting that there is little point in crudity.

    As you weren't bothered with any subtleties or precision I don't suppose you chose the words "troll by consensus" much thought but I would be intrigued to know what you intended to convey. Surely RTW isn't deciding to form a view about me because of a handful of highly inconsistent blog statements have accused me of being some kind of troll, especially as that small handful aren't really in your camp. But equally it is hard to believe he has paid serious attention to my output and concluded that it is itself a consensus view of a gang of trolls.

    Puzzling..
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  51. @Ronald Thomas West
    ps, Sailor's other trick is to leave a comment waiting moderation until it will be buried by other comments - chickenshit method

    ahah, he pulled the same trick twice on my comments, and I finally called him out on it.

    why can’t he just tell commentators straight out to stop commenting on his blogs? afraid of showing his true colors I bet.

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  52. @Wizard of Oz
    Don't you think moderators might not be playing tricks but simply giving low priority to checking some comments in a busy day - like "OMG not another tendentious RTW essay to mark".

    if you don’t understand something, it is better to keep your mouth shut. unless you want to give confirmation to your stupidity?

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    Maybe your question mark is just a tease so I won't fall for being so pompous as to lecture you on the courtesy of clarity to save people's time. But, as well as your question mark, I have trouble knowing what you are trying to say when I offered my gentle tease with possible element of truth that some of the moderators' habits complained of may be just the human failing of not being able to find 36 vigorous hours of activity in a day. Maybe you were saying something about moderators but, if so, it isn't clear.
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  53. geokat62 says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Thanks. A half-decent tax lawyer could skim that at the bar after golf and assure his friend that his organisation had a gateway provided through which five chariots could drive side by side....

    …his organisation had a gateway provided through which five chariots could drive side by side….

    WofP, why do you think I appended (after the FARA section) the newswire story that underlines your point?:

    For those who are unaware, there have been several previous attempts to get Israel Lobby groups registered under FARA [but to no avail]:

    ZOA ordered to register as Israeli foreign agent seven times – declassified Justice Department files

    WASHINGTON, Nov. 21, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The following is being released by Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy:

    The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) was ordered on seven separate occasions to register under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) according to newly declassified Department of Justice (DOJ) files. On October 17, 2012 the National Archives and Records Administration released under FOIA the long-secret files, now available online at the Israel Lobby Archive.

    ZOA incorporated on April 14, 1920 in New York. DOJ officials determined in 1947 that ZOA was controlled by the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a global entity composed of dues-paying members committed to the Zionist program for a Jewish state in Palestine. ZOA activities, negotiations with governments and NGOs were all subject to WZO approval. ZOA regarded WZO as the ultimate disciplinary and dispute resolution authority. ZOA was also beholden to WZO orders for unspecified “political actions of another kind.”

    In 1956 ZOA Pittsburgh chapter President Zalman Shapiro incorporated the Nuclear Material and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) which operated a nuclear processing facility on the Apollo Industries steel site. Future ZOA national president Ivan Novick was an original Apollo Industries founder. The FBI investigated excessive NUMEC losses of weapons-grade uranium and Shapiro’s 1960s interactions with Rafael Eitan, an Israeli spymaster who later ran Jonathan Pollard against the United States. NUMEC established a joint venture with the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, later revealed by researcher Avner Cohen to be a front for Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons program. A 2001 Energy Department audit found that NUMEC lost more weapons-grade uranium (337 kilograms) than any other facility in U.S. history. Declassified CIA and FBI files reveal US officials believed NUMEC illegally diverted nuclear material to Israel.

    The newly released DOJ files reveal a secret 1948 meeting where the Attorney General promised to exempt ZOA from all FARA registration and prosecutions in exchange for changes to ZOA/WZO governing documents. However reports filed by Justice Department staff responsible for FARA enforcement reveal that even by 1960 the promised changes had not been made. ZOA is currently attempting to regain tax-exempt status revoked by the IRS in 2011.

    The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is the nation’s record keeper. It retains 1%-3% of the most important documents of business conducted by the United States Federal government. The Israel Lobby Archive, http://IRmep.org/ila is a unit of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington.

    SOURCE Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy

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    Sorry I thought my saying thanks was probably enough to say I was agreeing with you.
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  54. geokat62 says:
    @Sherman
    Actually, "ferd" is Yiddish for horse.

    "Soos" is Hebrew for horse.

    However, I respect your command of Jewish languages. You must have been at the top of your class in Hebrew school.

    You must have been at the top of your class in Hebrew school.

    No, Sherm. I was actually at the top of my class in Yiddish school… hence my preference for “ferd.”

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    Well it certainly wasn't a Khazar ancestor which lost that German "p". Or maybe I could adopt the wilful complicator mode of the conspiracy theorist and say that it was because of the illiteracy or foreignness of the Khazars that they took to German words with an axe.
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  55. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    A deeply disturbing article. Israel is to America what Serbia was to Tsarist Russia. We all know how well that worked out for Nicholas and company. What is so desperately needed is campaign finance reform.

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  56. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    It’s more than ‘Israel wins’.
    It is ‘Jews win’. Israel is but a small piece of the Jewish Global Empire.

    Jews want it all. They want the Force. They hate China, Russia, and Iran cuz they remain independent.

    Anyone who favors ideology over identity is a fool. Jews own both ‘ideologies’ in the US cuz they want the power, and this power is really to serve their identity.

    One thing for sure, most of history was not about this -ism or that -ism.

    It was about the ruling elites or radical rebels invoking whatever -ism to seek power.

    Most people are clueless about -isms of all kind.

    The prevailing -ism happens to be whatever is promoted by the ruling elites. It can change if the ruling elites adopt a different ideology or if they are overthrown by radical rebels who become the new elites and use media power to enforce the new prevailing -ism. And most people will go along since they don’t think and don’t want to think. They just wanna believe whatever is told to them and whatever is taught to them in schools. People are sheep, and sheepdom is more effective than ever cuz of mass media, social networking, PC education, and globalism. Look how fast ‘gay marriage’ craze spread among the masses, not least through celebrity worship.

    Oftentimes, when we focus on this-ism or that-ism, we lose sight of those with the power to control which -ism should prevail and how.

    Also, all -isms are at the mercy of those who control it. The same -ism can be very different depending on WHO controls it.
    ‘Capitalism’ can mean lots of things. There is no pure practice of any ‘ism’.
    Jewish democracy in Israel and Turkish democracy in Turkey work very differently even though both are said to be ‘democratic’. What Jews mean by ‘free speech’ is different from what Russians mean by ‘free speech’. In France, badmouthing Jews means jail time. In the UK, free speech doesn’t allow making funny tweets about Mandela. In Russia, free speech doesn’t protect calling Soviet troops of WWII a bunch of drunken rapists(as many 0f them were).

    Communism can come in many flavors. Surely, Trotsky’s communism and Stalin’s communism were at odds. So was Khrushchev’s communism and Mao’s communism. So, who-had-the-power mattered more than the nature of communism. If Mao said communism is pro-Russian and anti-American, it was. If he then said communism is anti-Russian and pro-American, it was the new truth.

    Indeed, when Jews complain that Russia isn’t a ‘liberal democracy’, they really mean that Russia politics isn’t controlled by Jews.

    Suppose Russia were to adopt genuine liberal democracy but suppose the vast majority of voters were to elect a right-wing populist-nationalist government in Russia. Would Jews then be happy with Russia’s liberal democracy? No, of course not. Jews are less interested in ideology than in who gets to control the ideology.

    There is no single liberal democracy, just like there was no single communism or fascism. Indeed, some of the most fanatical and toughest Polish resistance fighters against Nazi fighters were far-right nationalists.

    And some of the toughest anti-Russian forces in current Ukraine are far-right nationalists. But Jews don’t complain about them because those right-wingers are working with globalist Jews. Jews also don’t complain about the anti-liberal Saudis because Saudis are allied with US and Israel. Jews bitch that Putin has been working with people like Assad and the enemies of the US, but US is allied with arch-reactionary nations like Saudi Arabia that kills journalists and has no use for liberal democracy. Actually, Assad is more liberal than the rulers of Saudi Arabia, but Jews who claim to care so much about liberal democracy prefer the Saudis over the secular Assad.

    So, all this stuff about -ism misses the point. It’s really about who has the control.

    When Liberal Democracy was firmly controlled by Wasps in the US, many Jews turned to socialism/Marxism and were against democracy and capitalism. But once Jews took over the American system, they’ve been championing ‘liberal democracy’ while dumping Marxism.

    So, wasp-ruled ‘liberal democracy’ was bad, but Jewish-ruled ‘liberal democracy’ is good.

    When Jews controlled communism, many Jews liked it. But when communism grew independent of Jewish influence, Jews came to hate it. Jews prefer the value of power over the value of any ideology. And even when Jews use ideology, it is to make it serve their power. In contrast, naive dumb white liberals use power to serve an ideology(that is really manipulated by Jews).

    So, Jews were always more about tribal power than about the purity of any ideology.

    And this is why Jews hate fascism. Fascism developed as an adaptive, malleable, and flexible meta-ideology and strategy of power that didn’t fixate on a single ideology. It took ideas from socialism, capitalism, nationalism, imperialism, traditionalism, futurism, modernism, and etc in the service of the Power of the Nation and Race. In a way, fascism is a gentile form of Judaism. Jews have been very adaptive and flexible in using all kinds of ideas and all forms of organization to gain more power and wealth.

    Via fascism, gentiles learned to do the same thing. Jews hate gentiles most when gentiles act most like Jews. Gentiles who act like Jews have learned the secret of power from the Jews. Don’t fixate on any ideology. Fixate on your race and nation and then use whatever ideas that are useful to further your own interest. Paradoxically, Jews hate gentiles who think and strategize most like Jews. Jews want others to fixate on ideologies while they themselves fixate on the power. Jews want others to use their power to serve an ideology(shaped and molded by Jews) while Jews always use ideologies to serve their power.

    Fascism wasn’t anti-ideological but it wasn’t subservient to any single idea. Ideas were subservient to identity, race, and vision.

    It’s like the ultimate obsession in STAR WARS is the Force. It is not ‘equality’, ‘diversity’, ‘progress’, ‘tradition’, ‘tolerance’, ‘free enterprise’, ‘individualism’, etc. It is the Force. Force can come in the shape of anything but it is always more than any one ideology, any single viewpoint, any single cause.

    The Force is a fascist idea because it cannot be explained with a single ideology, viewpoint, or philosophy. It has a light side, a dark side, and so many facets. The thing is to have it. You can do good with it or do bad with it. But unless you have it, you aint got shit.

    It looks like with the new Star Wars, Jews finalized what they’ve been working toward for a long time. They’ve come to own the fascist aesthetics as their own. FF Abrams looks like Sergei Eisenstein and uses images like Riefenstahl.

    Lucas is a political Lib but he was obsessed with fascist-Nazi imagery and modern rightist mythology. The idea behind Star Wars is very ‘modern rightist’ with its immersion in the Irrational, sacred, and mystical. In the 20th century, the Left was into rationalism and materialism. The modern Right was into romanticism, spiritualism, the power of the irrational, etc. Himmler was into the Occult. Hitler drew inspiration from Wagner and partly from Nietzsche. Americans in WWII were about democracy and industry. Japanese were into Shinto, Bushido, vision of Japan as a sacred land, identity of Japanese as part of a sacred race. Americans believed in the might of arms. Japanese hung their hope on the spirit world: kamikaze and pure faith of warriors.

    The Left was supposed to have simple rational and material answers for everything. In the realm of science and medicine, materialism and rationalism won. But in the realm of art and culture, the appeal of the romantic, occult, mysterious, magnificent, and magical was undeniable. It couldn’t be suppressed. But such themes were associated with the Nazis and the style of fascist narcissism, and Jews were nervous about playing with them.

    But the success of STAR WARS showed that this stuff was appealing to many many many people all over the globe. It wasn’t just somewhat successful but the making of the biggest movie hit of all time.

    Jews tried to suppress this kind of aesthetic initially, but it was too bankable, too profitable. So, they decided to appropriate fascist imagery and themes but ostensibly in the name of fighting fascism.

    So, the new SW is very multi-culti. But if we look at the nature of its struggle for power, it’s really about multi-culti fascism vs mono-racial fascism. It is about micro-fascism vs macro-fascism. The good guys are obsessed about the Force, the power of the occult, the themes of unity and sacrifice, the need for iron discipline and warrior honor, the heroic ideal. The female hero is like the heroine of many Riefenstahl mountain-climbing movies.

    Susan Sontag was right to note that fascist themes are not exclusively intrinsic to Nazism or Europeans. its themes can be found or imposed on any people. For example, Riefenstahl’s celebration of warrior culture among the Nuba of Africa was in keeping with her cult of the health and virility in her Nazi films. (Where Sontag was completely wrong was in assuming that the fascist aesthetics was totally out of fashion and gone for good. During the early 70s of New Hollywood defined by Altman, Scorsese, and others, it really did seem as though there was no more appeal to fascist grandeur in the arts. But her kind was totally blindsided by STAR WARS and how it would popularize fascist aesthetics.)

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1975/02/06/fascinating-fascism/

    ftp://ftp.uic.edu/pub/library/scua/Journal%20of%20Historical%20Biography/2009.05.01.JHB.pdf

    Jews want to own fascist aesthetics cuz it’s so bankable and profitable, so appealing to people around the world. But Jews also know that such aesthetic has long been associated with anti-Jewish Nazis and the far-right Europeans.

    So, what the new SW does is to give fascist aesthetics a ‘progressive multi-culti’ sheen.

    It’s like the fascist robot Terminator was reprogrammed to be ‘good’ and ‘progressive’ in part 2. But he was still the badass Aryan robot warrior.

    Likewise, the new SW keeps with all the fascist themes of heroism and superiority and irrational cult of holiness. After all, the very notion of the Jedis is exclusive and hierarchical, and the very idea of the Force is Nietzschean-Jungean.

    It is not about equality or tolerance but about a special elect with special superior powers. It is like the samurai, or the Nazi SS.

    So, how can this fascist idea be made palatable? By making the story ‘interracist’ and ‘feminist’.

    But it is ultimately about feminist fascism. it is not about a girl fighting for equality for all women but gaining super power to be superior to everyone else. And it is about a Negro going from a storm-trooper(who was equal with other storm troopers) to a holy warrior imbued with special superior powers. It is about both of them gaining superiority over the rest. So, as they will surely mate and have a mulatto child(as the new Obama-like savior of the universe), it is not about equality but about interracism as the new form of supremacism. The mulatto Jedi kid of their union will be regarded as SUPERIOR because his parents are this SUPERIOR white girl and this SUPERIOR Negro.

    This way, the Jews came to own fascist themes and aesthetics. They appropriated elements of Fascism and National Socialism to serve the agenda of globalist Jews(who, of course, are Jewish supremacists who believe that Jews as the Chosen and Elect should rule the world).

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  57. Svigor says:

    This is what I mean when I talk about sleazy South Asian tendencies.

    The show Duck Dynasty morphed an upper middle class conservative Southern white family into rougher and more earthy “rednecks.” All the way to the bank.

    To which one of his worshipers responded:

    Keen observation about Duck Dynasty

    An essentially useless comment, to which I responded:

    That wasn’t his.

    Because it wasn’t. I read it in some MSM rag more than a year ago (in the form of an “expose”). Somehow the useless, fawning comment is germane, and lives up to Razib’s rigorous intellectual standards, but pointing out that the “keen observation” wasn’t Razib’s is what JayMan might refer to as “uninformed criticism.” So, Razib deleted it.

    White people are embarrassed by this kind of thing (censoring someone on a “free speech” site for accurately deflating unearned praise is gauche). South Asians seem to lack that gene.

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  58. Svigor says:

    literally almost every single politician is leashed by israel. no exception.

    That term, “Israel,” would itself seem to be a euphemism for “the Jews,” used for fear of same. It’s not like Israel runs or funds The Lobby.

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    why aren't you using the reply button? do you like monologues that much?

    fear of what? this is the internet.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Yes but.... It also reflects if only incidentally the fact that the Israel firsters are by no means a majority of US Jews. Mind you I don't know where the small sample of American Jews I met earlier this year in Israel (my first visit) would stand. I expect they would confound most of the vigorous oversimplifying generalisations found on this blog. What, for example, to expect of one from the NE who accepted "Jewish atheist" as a description of himself when I mentioned Bertrand Russell's writing of the difference between Protestant and Catholic atheists and asked him if he was a Jewish atheist. Also he was totally laid back about two non-observant daughters married to (presumably lapsed) Catholics. My own Jewish inlaws in the UK are highly critical of Israel without being fashionable London lefties.
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  59. Svigor says:

    The uniform I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform

    Secondly, at no point does Adelson express “regret” for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is “unfortunate” that he never served in the Israeli military.

    Nobody forces Jews to do this – tell obvious lies that make them look bad.

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  60. @Mr. Anon
    "American politicians favoring a friendly democracy over the various totalitarian polities in the region? Shocking!"

    I see little evidence that the government of Israel is "friendly" to the United States. Indeed, corrupting our politicians and interfering in our internal affairs are hardly the actions of a friend.

    “I see little evidence that the government of Israel is ‘friendly’ to the United States. Indeed, corrupting our politicians and interfering in our internal affairs are hardly the actions of a friend.”

    I associate myself with your comments.

    Israel looks at the U.S. the way a dog looks at a lamppost–as something to piss on.

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  61. Svigor says:

    Amplified by the latest investigative salvo from the perennially credible Seymour Hersh, who reveals that the pernicious policies that are bought are so contrary to U.S. strategic interests, that the military brass has had enough and is actively undermining them

    Read the piece through to the end; the undermining is past tense. The DoD has come to Yahweh.

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  62. Reading these comments, I wonder: why are you guys so obsessed with Jews ? True, they are over-represented in many areas of US socio-economic & cultural life, but they don’t “own” the US. Nobody does that.

    1. the text about Adelson and Saban has just been copy-pasted in a new article. Why ?

    2. why do you think that Trump would be a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far. Trump is an American nationalist & Netanyahu is on the same wave-length (himself being, like Trump is, a race realist & a nationalist)- and that’s all. Trump was booed by American Jews when he told them explicitly that he wouldn’t recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    3. whatever I- and you- may think of Obama, it is evident he is not an Israeli puppet. Iran deal was a clear defeat not only for Netanyahu, but also for hawkish Jews anywhere on the globe.

    The real problem with most writers & commentators here is that you conflate two groups, leftist liberals & Jews, and on top of that, you equate the decadent phase of Western civilization with imagined malign influence of “Jews”.

    Jews are not that important nor influential nor malign….. This obsession is unhealthy.

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    a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far.
     
    ever heard of George W. Bush?

    ever heard of a war on Iraq?

    ever heard of Obama's war on Syria?

    how many billions do we send to Israel every year?

    how has our special relationship with Israel benifited the American people?

    we go to endless wars and our young people come back in bags or worse. We slaughter innocents and destroy entire countries and create refugees by the millions upon millions. We facilitate the daily humiliations and use of Palestinians as walking organ storage units for Israelis so that if they need a kidney, they just shoot a teenager and remove it. They buy and sell smuggled Eastern European young women who've been raped and drugged like chattel on the block to pimps who treat them worse than animals.
    They steal other people's land, like the Golan Heights and settlement in the West Bank and generally act like monsters to their victims who're at their mercy. And we're forced to fund all of that because of Jewish influence on our politics. Jews own our media and they own Hollywood and they produce movies that relentlessly promote degeneracy.

    There are a lot of things that Jews are doing that are objectionable. Is it misguided to point that out?

    Is it misguided to point out the incident of the USS Liberty and 911 and the treachery behind those singular events?

    What about Wall Street and the Fed and how between Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve Bank and the US Treasury there's an obvious incestuous gang of super thieves looting this country dry? Is that something we should all carefully use our blinders to avoid seeing, or certainly mentioning?

    Many Jews are extraordinary people and have done extraordinary things. Some of them good. Jonas Salk for instance. But some of them very, very bad. Jonathon Pollard for instance.

    The reason Jews are often singled out for comment is because their collective influence on our countries and culture and societies often times is notable.
    , @Rdm

    2. why do you think that Trump would be a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far.
     
    Whoever would be, the POTUS would be a puppet to Israel. Denying the fact is like denying that the world is round.

    1. Have you ever seen a movie made in Hollywood on Jews conspiring to become a Zionist? Anything anything at all? Anything you can imagine even hypothetically, you can have a taste of those in Hollywood. KKK movies? you bet. Nazi movies? You bet. Killing jews and soliciting your sympathy? Tons of those. Villain Russian and Chinese? No worry. Villain Whites to become POTUS? Look at House of Cards.

    Jews trying to make a world Zionist? Where can you find that? Jews conspiring to rule the world? Nada.

    2. "Divide and Conquer" is a motto Elitists have in mind. Media pitching Whites against Blacks, Blacks against Whites, where can you find Jews being racists against Blacks then? Whites are pawns in the game of "D and C" when it comes to controlling their power. No Jews have been called out as racists. They live in a safe and sound place called "Camouflage" as Whites but at the same time, avoid as being "Racists" dealing with Blacks.

    Even if Woodrow Wilson statue was demolished at Princeton, even if every White POTUS has been denounced as "racists", Jews have no worry to fight against it. You know why? it's because

    "Every race has their identity."

    Do you think Blacks would be happy if Michael Jackson statue was taken down because he was a child molester? although he's a King of pop music?

    Do you think White American would be delighted if Lyndon Johnson was posthumously put into life sentence because he steered the N-bomb on Japanese soil? It does not matter who's right or wrong. Or
    Remove Columbus from school book because he's not the discoverer of the New World, he's a slave trader and killed native Americans in the first place?

    Think about it. Jews are as happy as they are because nothing concerned with their historical past and history in this new world. They have no statues to be taken down, they have no qualms about being called "Slave trader". They have absolute victimhood shields in this country while camouflaging as "Whites".

    3. Pro-Israel Jews in the US are like virus living a body of humongous giant. Their host of replication is Israel. They protect, nurture, feed their host, while trying to infect other parts of the body they live in.

    Do you honestly believe that Jews care if Syrian fled to Europe?
    Do you honestly hope that Jews care if Muslim bomb Paris?
    Do you think Jews care if Woodrow Wilson was removed from Princeton?
    Do you think ...Jews give a f....k if Europeans go extinct?

    All the worlds event you're reading these days, Jews don't care. They have no vested interest unless it concerns with their very existence, which all leads to their host of replication, Israel.

    If you don't like Russians, they can all go back to their motherland, Russia.
    If you don't like British, they can all go back to their motherland, England.

    All damn races, they all have their homelands.

    What have to do with Jews then? 100% Pure Jewish People? Where the f they go?

    And you wonder why they're fighting for their very existence, a Rogue State, Israel. Over time, they believe it will mean something, a holy ground.
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  63. bunga says:
    @schmenz
    Rehmat,

    Calling America's corrupt politicians "Christian" is patently ridiculous and you should know better. If they were truly Christian they wouldn't be doing what they are doing.

    Any idiot can call himself a Christian while he cheers the bombings of innocents in Gaza, but calling yourself one and acting like one are two different things.

    Dont worry .Muslims are cozying up to the Zionist .Sauids are looking up to Israel for protection .Qataris are discussing how to inetgrtae economy with Israel in the occupied territory. Azerbaizan is already there . ?Pakistan .I wont be surprised .

    Islam unless challenge s these trends will end up experincing the same fate as suffered by the Evangelicals and the wstern civilization.

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  64. Svigor says:

    White people are embarrassed by this kind of thing (censoring someone on a “free speech” site for accurately deflating unearned praise is gauche).

    I should have written, “intelligent, educated white people.” Low-class white trash do this sort of thing, of course.

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    What are you? Are you the go to guy for opinions on white people? Are you white?
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  65. chris says:
    @Sherman
    Actually, "ferd" is Yiddish for horse.

    "Soos" is Hebrew for horse.

    However, I respect your command of Jewish languages. You must have been at the top of your class in Hebrew school.

    and “Soros” is english for horse’s ass

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  66. Rurik says:
    @Sherman
    "He has said he regrets serving in the U.S. Army in World War Two while also expressing a fervent desire to have a son who would serve as an Israeli military sniper"

    I checked Giraldi's link for the source of this information about Adelson. His source is a pro-Palestinian and viciously anti-Israel website.

    Their source for this information is a dead link.

    I did a Google search for any information in which Adelson expressed any regret for serving his country. Funny, absolutely NOTHING came up besides this pro-Palestinian site that Giraldi gets his information from. (Trust me, I found plenty of negative stuff about Adelson out there).

    I highly doubt that "Electronic Intifada" is the most reliable or objective source of information relating to news about Israel.

    If Giraldi wants to make his living bashing Jews and Israel that's his right. However, he should be able to responsibly back up the sources of his venom.

    Grimaldi is simply rehashing and regurgitating outright lies. He is lazy and irresponsible.

    Adelson expressed any regret for serving his country.

    “serving his country”

    If Sheldon had to choose between Israel and the US, no one believes for one second that he’d be loyal to the US, but he has the nads to openly manipulate our presidential politics in the service of another country with wildly conflicting values.

    He should be tarred and feathered and sent packing to ‘his country’

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  67. @Svigor

    literally almost every single politician is leashed by israel. no exception.
     
    That term, "Israel," would itself seem to be a euphemism for "the Jews," used for fear of same. It's not like Israel runs or funds The Lobby.

    why aren’t you using the reply button? do you like monologues that much?

    fear of what? this is the internet.

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  68. “… but they don’t “own” the US. Nobody does that. ”

    It would be more appropriate to say that elites “pwn” the U.S. population, although Jewish voices of critique show that it is domination by a class more than a purely ethnic or religious one. There is a confederacy of corporate thieving.

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    It would be more appropriate to say...it is domination by a class...
     
    Spoken like a true Marxist, Fran. So it is the bourgeoisie that dominate US foreign policy?

    You should have suggested that Noam Chomsky write a new book as a rebuttal to Mearsheimer and Walt's, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. I got a great idea for the title... how 'bout, The Bourgeoisie and US Foreign Policy?
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  69. Rurik says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    Reading these comments, I wonder: why are you guys so obsessed with Jews ? True, they are over-represented in many areas of US socio-economic & cultural life, but they don't "own" the US. Nobody does that.

    1. the text about Adelson and Saban has just been copy-pasted in a new article. Why ?

    2. why do you think that Trump would be a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far. Trump is an American nationalist & Netanyahu is on the same wave-length (himself being, like Trump is, a race realist & a nationalist)- and that's all. Trump was booed by American Jews when he told them explicitly that he wouldn't recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

    3. whatever I- and you- may think of Obama, it is evident he is not an Israeli puppet. Iran deal was a clear defeat not only for Netanyahu, but also for hawkish Jews anywhere on the globe.

    The real problem with most writers & commentators here is that you conflate two groups, leftist liberals & Jews, and on top of that, you equate the decadent phase of Western civilization with imagined malign influence of "Jews".

    Jews are not that important nor influential nor malign..... This obsession is unhealthy.

    a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far.

    ever heard of George W. Bush?

    ever heard of a war on Iraq?

    ever heard of Obama’s war on Syria?

    how many billions do we send to Israel every year?

    how has our special relationship with Israel benifited the American people?

    we go to endless wars and our young people come back in bags or worse. We slaughter innocents and destroy entire countries and create refugees by the millions upon millions. We facilitate the daily humiliations and use of Palestinians as walking organ storage units for Israelis so that if they need a kidney, they just shoot a teenager and remove it. They buy and sell smuggled Eastern European young women who’ve been raped and drugged like chattel on the block to pimps who treat them worse than animals.
    They steal other people’s land, like the Golan Heights and settlement in the West Bank and generally act like monsters to their victims who’re at their mercy. And we’re forced to fund all of that because of Jewish influence on our politics. Jews own our media and they own Hollywood and they produce movies that relentlessly promote degeneracy.

    There are a lot of things that Jews are doing that are objectionable. Is it misguided to point that out?

    Is it misguided to point out the incident of the USS Liberty and 911 and the treachery behind those singular events?

    What about Wall Street and the Fed and how between Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve Bank and the US Treasury there’s an obvious incestuous gang of super thieves looting this country dry? Is that something we should all carefully use our blinders to avoid seeing, or certainly mentioning?

    Many Jews are extraordinary people and have done extraordinary things. Some of them good. Jonas Salk for instance. But some of them very, very bad. Jonathon Pollard for instance.

    The reason Jews are often singled out for comment is because their collective influence on our countries and culture and societies often times is notable.

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    I got to hand it to you, Rurik. Your energy to take on these ziotrolls is boundless. It's nice to know we have someone like you defending the city gates, while the rest of us trying to get some rest for the battle that lies ahead.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    The Iraq & Afghan wars were fought on multiple levels, and Israeli component was just one among many others (more important included Haliburton and British Petroleum); Obama's "war on Syria" has more to do with the blockade of Russian Fleet in Syrian ports & is simply a mess many hubristic politicians wade off into frequently; most money sent to Israel is from military-industrial complex that wants to sell even more military equipment to rich Arab Gulf countries- no Israeli lobby is as strong as are US military equipment producers; "special relations" are not that special. Real special relations are with those countries belonging to the Anglosphere (five eyes), where Israel is still not permitted to enter.

    Most of the rest is just an unsubstantiated rant, peppered with gory Frankenstein details I'm well acquainted with from Serbian propaganda during 1990s. You people better try to get some grip on real history's why & hows: read Raymond Aron, Zbig Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, the 1st book by William Engdahl (the rest is paranoia), ...
    , @Realist
    You left Clinton off your list.
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  70. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Macadam
    "... but they don’t “own” the US. Nobody does that. "

    It would be more appropriate to say that elites "pwn" the U.S. population, although Jewish voices of critique show that it is domination by a class more than a purely ethnic or religious one. There is a confederacy of corporate thieving.

    It would be more appropriate to say…it is domination by a class…

    Spoken like a true Marxist, Fran. So it is the bourgeoisie that dominate US foreign policy?

    You should have suggested that Noam Chomsky write a new book as a rebuttal to Mearsheimer and Walt’s, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. I got a great idea for the title… how ’bout, The Bourgeoisie and US Foreign Policy?

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  71. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far.
     
    ever heard of George W. Bush?

    ever heard of a war on Iraq?

    ever heard of Obama's war on Syria?

    how many billions do we send to Israel every year?

    how has our special relationship with Israel benifited the American people?

    we go to endless wars and our young people come back in bags or worse. We slaughter innocents and destroy entire countries and create refugees by the millions upon millions. We facilitate the daily humiliations and use of Palestinians as walking organ storage units for Israelis so that if they need a kidney, they just shoot a teenager and remove it. They buy and sell smuggled Eastern European young women who've been raped and drugged like chattel on the block to pimps who treat them worse than animals.
    They steal other people's land, like the Golan Heights and settlement in the West Bank and generally act like monsters to their victims who're at their mercy. And we're forced to fund all of that because of Jewish influence on our politics. Jews own our media and they own Hollywood and they produce movies that relentlessly promote degeneracy.

    There are a lot of things that Jews are doing that are objectionable. Is it misguided to point that out?

    Is it misguided to point out the incident of the USS Liberty and 911 and the treachery behind those singular events?

    What about Wall Street and the Fed and how between Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve Bank and the US Treasury there's an obvious incestuous gang of super thieves looting this country dry? Is that something we should all carefully use our blinders to avoid seeing, or certainly mentioning?

    Many Jews are extraordinary people and have done extraordinary things. Some of them good. Jonas Salk for instance. But some of them very, very bad. Jonathon Pollard for instance.

    The reason Jews are often singled out for comment is because their collective influence on our countries and culture and societies often times is notable.

    I got to hand it to you, Rurik. Your energy to take on these ziotrolls is boundless. It’s nice to know we have someone like you defending the city gates, while the rest of us trying to get some rest for the battle that lies ahead.

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  72. @Rurik

    a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far.
     
    ever heard of George W. Bush?

    ever heard of a war on Iraq?

    ever heard of Obama's war on Syria?

    how many billions do we send to Israel every year?

    how has our special relationship with Israel benifited the American people?

    we go to endless wars and our young people come back in bags or worse. We slaughter innocents and destroy entire countries and create refugees by the millions upon millions. We facilitate the daily humiliations and use of Palestinians as walking organ storage units for Israelis so that if they need a kidney, they just shoot a teenager and remove it. They buy and sell smuggled Eastern European young women who've been raped and drugged like chattel on the block to pimps who treat them worse than animals.
    They steal other people's land, like the Golan Heights and settlement in the West Bank and generally act like monsters to their victims who're at their mercy. And we're forced to fund all of that because of Jewish influence on our politics. Jews own our media and they own Hollywood and they produce movies that relentlessly promote degeneracy.

    There are a lot of things that Jews are doing that are objectionable. Is it misguided to point that out?

    Is it misguided to point out the incident of the USS Liberty and 911 and the treachery behind those singular events?

    What about Wall Street and the Fed and how between Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve Bank and the US Treasury there's an obvious incestuous gang of super thieves looting this country dry? Is that something we should all carefully use our blinders to avoid seeing, or certainly mentioning?

    Many Jews are extraordinary people and have done extraordinary things. Some of them good. Jonas Salk for instance. But some of them very, very bad. Jonathon Pollard for instance.

    The reason Jews are often singled out for comment is because their collective influence on our countries and culture and societies often times is notable.

    The Iraq & Afghan wars were fought on multiple levels, and Israeli component was just one among many others (more important included Haliburton and British Petroleum); Obama’s “war on Syria” has more to do with the blockade of Russian Fleet in Syrian ports & is simply a mess many hubristic politicians wade off into frequently; most money sent to Israel is from military-industrial complex that wants to sell even more military equipment to rich Arab Gulf countries- no Israeli lobby is as strong as are US military equipment producers; “special relations” are not that special. Real special relations are with those countries belonging to the Anglosphere (five eyes), where Israel is still not permitted to enter.

    Most of the rest is just an unsubstantiated rant, peppered with gory Frankenstein details I’m well acquainted with from Serbian propaganda during 1990s. You people better try to get some grip on real history’s why & hows: read Raymond Aron, Zbig Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, the 1st book by William Engdahl (the rest is paranoia), …

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    Reasonable premises all, having grown up through the military and commercial side of Military Industrial in the DC area, I concur all. No one is stronger than defense contractors and security/Intel types. They get the toys and strategies they request without fail it seems. It's a parallel government, governed by no one and if you aren't inside, you are most assuredly are not invited. I feel that the Bushes, Obamas, Clintons and Reagans of the White House are other-ruled in many items of the duties of Executive Branch.

    And so I ask Bardon, having read Brzezinski, Kissinger and Engdahl, when you look out over the foreign landscape, are we screwed, or do we always prevail? And especially, within our own borders, how do you see it all coming out, say, 50 years out? Brzezinski and Kissinger have woven themselves into and out of the very top for many decades now, I have my opinions on them, but whatever you think of them, when they talk, you must listen. All these years, they always seem to have the ear of folks that have a rather large say in "things".

    What do you think, Berdon?

    , @NoseytheDuke
    Open your eyes and tell me what you see beside polyps.
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  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I allways, especialy after the reunification of Germany , resisted the nonsens of ” the jews are guilty of … that and that, the jews rule the world, the jews buy everything and everybody” etc etc. But slowly I get the impression, reading the above article, that all these people where not that wrong after all. Offcurse it’s not ” the jews”, these are a small number of very rich people of jewish religion who work, and thats quite sure, in the interest of the israeli Government. But I can understand less educated people, especialy here in Germany and belief you me thats the majority here, that they get proven right in there opinion by pointing at exactly people like those mentioned in the article. By doing , what they probably thinking it’s service for Israel, the do in reality a very bad job for there country.

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  74. @geokat62

    ...his organisation had a gateway provided through which five chariots could drive side by side….
     
    WofP, why do you think I appended (after the FARA section) the newswire story that underlines your point?:

    For those who are unaware, there have been several previous attempts to get Israel Lobby groups registered under FARA [but to no avail]:

    ZOA ordered to register as Israeli foreign agent seven times – declassified Justice Department files

    WASHINGTON, Nov. 21, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The following is being released by Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy:

    The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) was ordered on seven separate occasions to register under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) according to newly declassified Department of Justice (DOJ) files. On October 17, 2012 the National Archives and Records Administration released under FOIA the long-secret files, now available online at the Israel Lobby Archive.

    ZOA incorporated on April 14, 1920 in New York. DOJ officials determined in 1947 that ZOA was controlled by the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a global entity composed of dues-paying members committed to the Zionist program for a Jewish state in Palestine. ZOA activities, negotiations with governments and NGOs were all subject to WZO approval. ZOA regarded WZO as the ultimate disciplinary and dispute resolution authority. ZOA was also beholden to WZO orders for unspecified “political actions of another kind.”

    In 1956 ZOA Pittsburgh chapter President Zalman Shapiro incorporated the Nuclear Material and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) which operated a nuclear processing facility on the Apollo Industries steel site. Future ZOA national president Ivan Novick was an original Apollo Industries founder. The FBI investigated excessive NUMEC losses of weapons-grade uranium and Shapiro’s 1960s interactions with Rafael Eitan, an Israeli spymaster who later ran Jonathan Pollard against the United States. NUMEC established a joint venture with the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, later revealed by researcher Avner Cohen to be a front for Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons program. A 2001 Energy Department audit found that NUMEC lost more weapons-grade uranium (337 kilograms) than any other facility in U.S. history. Declassified CIA and FBI files reveal US officials believed NUMEC illegally diverted nuclear material to Israel.

    The newly released DOJ files reveal a secret 1948 meeting where the Attorney General promised to exempt ZOA from all FARA registration and prosecutions in exchange for changes to ZOA/WZO governing documents. However reports filed by Justice Department staff responsible for FARA enforcement reveal that even by 1960 the promised changes had not been made. ZOA is currently attempting to regain tax-exempt status revoked by the IRS in 2011.

    The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is the nation’s record keeper. It retains 1%-3% of the most important documents of business conducted by the United States Federal government. The Israel Lobby Archive, http://IRmep.org/ila is a unit of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington.

    SOURCE Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy
     

    Sorry I thought my saying thanks was probably enough to say I was agreeing with you.

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    Sorry I thought my saying thanks was probably enough to say I was agreeing with you.
     
    I would have thought that too, WoP, but I guess I misconstrued the "five chariots driving side by side" as an indication that you disagreed.
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  75. Rurik says:

    Obama’s “war on Syria” has more to do with the blockade of Russian Fleet in Syrian ports & is simply a mess many hubristic politicians wade off into frequently

    Have you ever heard of the Golan Heights?

    Do you know who’s drilling for oil there right now?

    But is it their land?

    So yes, it does have to do with oil and weapons too! And there are other actors involved, not just Israel. But to pretend that Israel wields negligible influence on American foreign policy especially as regards the wars on Iraq and Syria is disingenuous, to say the least.

    Have you ever heard of the neocons Bardon?

    do you know who Pearl and Wolfowitz are? How about Netanyahu, have you heard of him?

    Do you know that Netanyahoo had the nads to lecture our president from the podium of the capital in front of an obsequious congress, and demand that they do more to foment war with Iran?

    How’s that for chutzpah, eh?

    I suppose if you were talking to a middle schooler or a watcher of Faux “News” and were trying to convince them of this twaddle, that perhaps you’d get somewhere. But this site is pretty darn savvy, and your comments just come off as so much shilling for the Likudniks.

    Good luck with that

    (thanks Geok ; )

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    Further to your points, let Bardon do this thought experiment: Suppose that while Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar supported deposing Assad while Israel was totally against it, how does he think this would fly among the whores in Congress? Surely in the interests of tiny, beleaguered Israel, they would do an about turn. Suddenly the newspapers will be full of articles of how the Assads are a modern progressive family. Mrs Assad is seen nowhere with a hijab, and is quite the looker. And life interest articles will be full of the Assads celebrating Christmas with the Christians in Damascus. But since it does not suit the interests of Israelis, the chant is repeated "Assad must go", since he is close to the Iranians.

    The Zionists have really screwed up the lives of millions across the Middle East with their thoroughgoing and comprehensive lies. The latest IAEA report on the (non-existent) Iranian nuclear programme, gives an example of the unashamed way in the Israelis had lied for the last 12 years. They were aching to get thousands of Iranians killed But will the buggers ever apologise for it? No, they will bring up the Holocaust rag, to silence everyone.

    I would not be surprised either if the hasbara are working on connecting the IAEA Director General to the Fukushima disaster, to undermine his credibility, as that has always been their MO. Pick on trivialities and make a song and dance about it.
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  76. iffen says:
    @Svigor
    This is what I mean when I talk about sleazy South Asian tendencies.

    The show Duck Dynasty morphed an upper middle class conservative Southern white family into rougher and more earthy “rednecks.” All the way to the bank.
     
    To which one of his worshipers responded:

    Keen observation about Duck Dynasty
     
    An essentially useless comment, to which I responded:

    That wasn't his.
     
    Because it wasn't. I read it in some MSM rag more than a year ago (in the form of an "expose"). Somehow the useless, fawning comment is germane, and lives up to Razib's rigorous intellectual standards, but pointing out that the "keen observation" wasn't Razib's is what JayMan might refer to as "uninformed criticism." So, Razib deleted it.

    White people are embarrassed by this kind of thing (censoring someone on a "free speech" site for accurately deflating unearned praise is gauche). South Asians seem to lack that gene.

    Free speech doesn’t have anything to do with allowing ignorant dickheads to muck up a thread.

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  77. @Svigor

    literally almost every single politician is leashed by israel. no exception.
     
    That term, "Israel," would itself seem to be a euphemism for "the Jews," used for fear of same. It's not like Israel runs or funds The Lobby.

    Yes but…. It also reflects if only incidentally the fact that the Israel firsters are by no means a majority of US Jews. Mind you I don’t know where the small sample of American Jews I met earlier this year in Israel (my first visit) would stand. I expect they would confound most of the vigorous oversimplifying generalisations found on this blog. What, for example, to expect of one from the NE who accepted “Jewish atheist” as a description of himself when I mentioned Bertrand Russell’s writing of the difference between Protestant and Catholic atheists and asked him if he was a Jewish atheist. Also he was totally laid back about two non-observant daughters married to (presumably lapsed) Catholics. My own Jewish inlaws in the UK are highly critical of Israel without being fashionable London lefties.

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  78. Well, yeah!

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  79. iffen says:
    @Svigor

    White people are embarrassed by this kind of thing (censoring someone on a “free speech” site for accurately deflating unearned praise is gauche).
     
    I should have written, "intelligent, educated white people." Low-class white trash do this sort of thing, of course.

    What are you? Are you the go to guy for opinions on white people? Are you white?

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  80. @geokat62

    You must have been at the top of your class in Hebrew school.

     

    No, Sherm. I was actually at the top of my class in Yiddish school... hence my preference for "ferd."

    Well it certainly wasn’t a Khazar ancestor which lost that German “p”. Or maybe I could adopt the wilful complicator mode of the conspiracy theorist and say that it was because of the illiteracy or foreignness of the Khazars that they took to German words with an axe.

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    Yiddish is spelled with Hebrew letters. In Hebrew the consonant "Pey" is pronounced P or F pending on where it is located in the written word.

    To transcribe the German "Pferd" as Pey, Phey, Ayin, Reysh, Dalet goes against the spirit of Hebrew..

    To have two Pey one after another at the beginning of a word? Nah!

    An Ivrit speaker, may read your spelling of Horse as Perd not Ferd.

    sf
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  81. geokat62 says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Sorry I thought my saying thanks was probably enough to say I was agreeing with you.

    Sorry I thought my saying thanks was probably enough to say I was agreeing with you.

    I would have thought that too, WoP, but I guess I misconstrued the “five chariots driving side by side” as an indication that you disagreed.

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  82. @Astuteobservor II
    if you don't understand something, it is better to keep your mouth shut. unless you want to give confirmation to your stupidity?

    Maybe your question mark is just a tease so I won’t fall for being so pompous as to lecture you on the courtesy of clarity to save people’s time. But, as well as your question mark, I have trouble knowing what you are trying to say when I offered my gentle tease with possible element of truth that some of the moderators’ habits complained of may be just the human failing of not being able to find 36 vigorous hours of activity in a day. Maybe you were saying something about moderators but, if so, it isn’t clear.

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  83. @Ronald Thomas West
    Hello troll by consensus, long time no hear. My virtual middle finger .!. to you and yours...

    I’m disappointed. I would have hoped my gentle jest (a jest, but also pointing to something worth saying to those who hadn’t put themselves in the shoes of busy moderators whom they criticise) deserved a more sophisticated and civilised response. When I am accused with more or less justice and more or less courtesy of talking too much I try to respond with something that has at least the tone of “But surely you will be pleased to know that I have enough breath left for another hour without paragraph breaks”. As I have reason to know about PR and those that employ it I could proffer advice but let it go at suggesting that there is little point in crudity.

    As you weren’t bothered with any subtleties or precision I don’t suppose you chose the words “troll by consensus” much thought but I would be intrigued to know what you intended to convey. Surely RTW isn’t deciding to form a view about me because of a handful of highly inconsistent blog statements have accused me of being some kind of troll, especially as that small handful aren’t really in your camp. But equally it is hard to believe he has paid serious attention to my output and concluded that it is itself a consensus view of a gang of trolls.

    Puzzling..

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    Apologies that this browser doesn't always allow editing. I prefer to edit as a matter of courtesy to readers even if it is only to insert "with" before "much thought". And I could have added inverted commas and ensured consistency of grammatical person.
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  84. @Wizard of Oz
    I'm disappointed. I would have hoped my gentle jest (a jest, but also pointing to something worth saying to those who hadn't put themselves in the shoes of busy moderators whom they criticise) deserved a more sophisticated and civilised response. When I am accused with more or less justice and more or less courtesy of talking too much I try to respond with something that has at least the tone of "But surely you will be pleased to know that I have enough breath left for another hour without paragraph breaks". As I have reason to know about PR and those that employ it I could proffer advice but let it go at suggesting that there is little point in crudity.

    As you weren't bothered with any subtleties or precision I don't suppose you chose the words "troll by consensus" much thought but I would be intrigued to know what you intended to convey. Surely RTW isn't deciding to form a view about me because of a handful of highly inconsistent blog statements have accused me of being some kind of troll, especially as that small handful aren't really in your camp. But equally it is hard to believe he has paid serious attention to my output and concluded that it is itself a consensus view of a gang of trolls.

    Puzzling..

    Apologies that this browser doesn’t always allow editing. I prefer to edit as a matter of courtesy to readers even if it is only to insert “with” before “much thought”. And I could have added inverted commas and ensured consistency of grammatical person.

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  85. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Will you get a load of this? I know Trump is a joker, and a great nation deserves someone better than the likes of him, but what kills me is the notion among some Americans that they are still living in a dignified nation and that the likes of him are just too low and vulgar for national pride. Hardy harhar.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/22/half-us-voters-would-be-embarrassed-have-donald-tr/

    Americans embarrassed? Really? Americans are still capable of feeling shame?

    After Clinton the pimp, Bush the moron, and Obama the sleazebag, Americans have any pride left? They still have any dignity left to feel outraged? Really? A nation that makes ‘gay marriage’ law of the land still has pride left? A nation where the president praises a man, Bruce Jenner, for putting on a dress and getting a boob job still has pride left? A nation where people like Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor are appointed to the Supreme Court still has pride left? Come on. US has no pride left. Trump or no Trump, US should be embarrassed of itself.

    Only a moron nation has rap music as its national culture. Only a moron nation makes STAR WARS over and over to fool and milk the dummies. Only a moron nation promotes someone like Miley Cyrus as role model for kids. Only a moron nation has a foreign policy that totally messes up the Middle East. Only a moron nation shuts down entire cities to have massive homo pride parades. Only a moron nation restarts the Cold War because globalist Jewish elites don’t like Russia’s ban on ‘gay’ pride parades.
    Only a moron nation has most Conservatives getting their news from talk radio and Fox news. Only a moron has most Liberals getting their news from the likes of Jon Stewart(now replaced by some glib Jewgro from South Africa) and Stephen Colbert.
    Only a moron nation destroys businesses cuz they won’t bend over to the homo agenda. Only a moron nation has University presidents and deans fired because of loud black thugs, bitchy homos and trannies, and deranged feminists.

    This is a nation where Rolling Stone magazine, the rag of young dolts everywhere, gave us the UVA rape hoax story and still refused to fire that lowlife rotten hag bitch Sabrina Rubin Erderly.

    I think part of Trump’s appeal is as a scapegoat. Americans without dignity, culture, and pride look at him as the ‘crazy guy’ & ‘clown’, and by denouncing him they make themselves feel more intelligent, sane, and dignified than they really are.
    It’s how morality works on sensational talk shows. You bring on some ‘crazy personality’ and the audience members smugly and glibly feel sane and superior because the guy on stage seems so ‘beyond the pale’.

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    "I know Trump is a joker, and a great nation deserves someone better than the likes of him,"

    Prissy, my dear child, my naughty daughter with a potty mouth. I have changed my mind about just about everything regarding the ladies, the loopy ladies. Nothing is ever Enough, nothing is good enough for the Princess. Blemish is the game, one little blemish and NO!

    Now what every princess (or the occasional prince) needs to know is that throwing tantrums, particularly those with Big Words in them, only signals people that , in this case, they got a spoiled child in their midst who needs a time out, or even standing in the corner, which seems to have gone out of fashion, but always worked for me, although i rarely got it, because it communicates very well that one has hit the wall, usually of one's narcissism, pride, and insolence to just about everybody.

    Nothing is good enough. All or Nothing...that is the female negotiating position. Sort of like Hillary, the Bitch of all bitches in the national memory. Even now despised by a large portion of females themselves.

    Trump is the Only persona we got, and you trash him cuz he plays the game to some degree to get elected. You cannot wait until he is elected ....you are really an amateur tyrnant, the worst kind, because a successful tyrant at least negotiates with his tribe and supporters, and of course dissembles to his Enemies. But you will not even tolerate that ..your holiness.

    Women should never have gotten the vote. bBecause of hysterics like yourself

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  86. Can anyone point to case studies of how many owners the average Congressman has? I mean it would be possible to be fully funded (and funding really is the key for most Congressmen I suppose, more now than ever) by say Disney for copyright, X for biofuels, Y for farm price supports and Israel firsters for Israel. And that’s without elementary pork barrelling for the home territory.

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  87. @Haxo Angmark
    none of this is new. Every "democrat" prez since Truman '48 has been a Zionist-owned property. Every "republican" prez since Bush41 has been a Zionist-owned property. That's why it is a one-party state: Jew$$$$

    It was Harry Truman–the failed haberdasher, the “Senator from Pendergast”–who recognized Israel in 1948 in return for $2 million in campaign contributions from pro-Zionist sources.

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  88. joe webb says:
    @Priss Factor
    Will you get a load of this? I know Trump is a joker, and a great nation deserves someone better than the likes of him, but what kills me is the notion among some Americans that they are still living in a dignified nation and that the likes of him are just too low and vulgar for national pride. Hardy harhar.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/22/half-us-voters-would-be-embarrassed-have-donald-tr/

    Americans embarrassed? Really? Americans are still capable of feeling shame?

    After Clinton the pimp, Bush the moron, and Obama the sleazebag, Americans have any pride left? They still have any dignity left to feel outraged? Really? A nation that makes 'gay marriage' law of the land still has pride left? A nation where the president praises a man, Bruce Jenner, for putting on a dress and getting a boob job still has pride left? A nation where people like Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor are appointed to the Supreme Court still has pride left? Come on. US has no pride left. Trump or no Trump, US should be embarrassed of itself.

    Only a moron nation has rap music as its national culture. Only a moron nation makes STAR WARS over and over to fool and milk the dummies. Only a moron nation promotes someone like Miley Cyrus as role model for kids. Only a moron nation has a foreign policy that totally messes up the Middle East. Only a moron nation shuts down entire cities to have massive homo pride parades. Only a moron nation restarts the Cold War because globalist Jewish elites don't like Russia's ban on 'gay' pride parades.
    Only a moron nation has most Conservatives getting their news from talk radio and Fox news. Only a moron has most Liberals getting their news from the likes of Jon Stewart(now replaced by some glib Jewgro from South Africa) and Stephen Colbert.
    Only a moron nation destroys businesses cuz they won't bend over to the homo agenda. Only a moron nation has University presidents and deans fired because of loud black thugs, bitchy homos and trannies, and deranged feminists.

    This is a nation where Rolling Stone magazine, the rag of young dolts everywhere, gave us the UVA rape hoax story and still refused to fire that lowlife rotten hag bitch Sabrina Rubin Erderly.

    I think part of Trump's appeal is as a scapegoat. Americans without dignity, culture, and pride look at him as the 'crazy guy' & 'clown', and by denouncing him they make themselves feel more intelligent, sane, and dignified than they really are.
    It's how morality works on sensational talk shows. You bring on some 'crazy personality' and the audience members smugly and glibly feel sane and superior because the guy on stage seems so 'beyond the pale'.

    “I know Trump is a joker, and a great nation deserves someone better than the likes of him,”

    Prissy, my dear child, my naughty daughter with a potty mouth. I have changed my mind about just about everything regarding the ladies, the loopy ladies. Nothing is ever Enough, nothing is good enough for the Princess. Blemish is the game, one little blemish and NO!

    Now what every princess (or the occasional prince) needs to know is that throwing tantrums, particularly those with Big Words in them, only signals people that , in this case, they got a spoiled child in their midst who needs a time out, or even standing in the corner, which seems to have gone out of fashion, but always worked for me, although i rarely got it, because it communicates very well that one has hit the wall, usually of one’s narcissism, pride, and insolence to just about everybody.

    Nothing is good enough. All or Nothing…that is the female negotiating position. Sort of like Hillary, the Bitch of all bitches in the national memory. Even now despised by a large portion of females themselves.

    Trump is the Only persona we got, and you trash him cuz he plays the game to some degree to get elected. You cannot wait until he is elected ….you are really an amateur tyrnant, the worst kind, because a successful tyrant at least negotiates with his tribe and supporters, and of course dissembles to his Enemies. But you will not even tolerate that ..your holiness.

    Women should never have gotten the vote. bBecause of hysterics like yourself

    Joe Webb

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    C'mon Joe, The Priss Factory has a gift. A rare gift that cuts right through bullshit and calls it like it is in a way very few others can or do. I've copied some Priss comments and forwarded them to a prim little church lady I know, seriously. She's shocked but finds "a lot of truth in it".

    If The Donald ever becomes President it will indicate just how awful things actually are "in the land of the free and the home of the brave" but I do agree Clinton will be a disaster. So very sad.
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  89. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sherman
    First of all, being that Adelson was 12 years old when WWII ended, I don't see how he could have possibly served in this war (as Giraldi claims).

    Secondly, at no point does Adelson express "regret" for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is "unfortunate" that he never served in the Israeli military.

    Third, as far as wishing that his "son" becomes a sniper for the IDF Adelson simply jokes that maybe someday his young grandchild will join the IDF.

    Adelson's comments might be stupid or even offensive but Giraldi has taken them wildly out of context.

    “Secondly, at no point does Adelson express “regret” for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is “unfortunate” that he never served in the Israeli military.”

    No, a patriotic American who is proud of his service in the US army would not say ““The uniform I wore in the military unfortunately was not an Israeli uniform, it was an American uniform………..”. The sole mention of his service in American arms was as an “unfortunate” contrast to what he (said) he really would have liked to have done. It was implicitly derogatory.

    You are wrong. You were wrong. You may as well admit it. And – as you elided over – those were his own words, not hard to find either. But you chose to ignore that hit. Your objection, on that accout anyway, was disingenuous.

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  90. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    I'm here to quibble though your articles carry weight with credit. On a relatively trivial matter I am sorry that you undermined your standing as a sage and heavyweight pundit with "the nifty weapons that can be used to kill Palestinian children".

    Apart from that.... what reason is there to suppose Hillary would stay bought? Especially in a second term?

    On the question of who is a foreign agent who should register you have failed to sew up your case. It is not enough just to quote what is said about the relevant legislation: if you want to be sure and make others sure about its proper interpretation you need to quote the actual statute.

    Generally, politicians don’t get “bought” by donors, in the sense of getting bribed to advocate a certain policy. What usually happens instead is that donors give money to politicians who already agree with their policy priorities.

    If you doubt that, answer this question: when’s the last time a wealthy pro-life donor has bought off a formerly pro-choice Democrat? Or consider this thought experiment: how much money would you have to donate to Hillary to make her become pro life?

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    Valid comments but they do rather undermine the force of criticism about a politician being bought or whatever the term used was.
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  91. Realist says:
    @Sherman
    First of all, being that Adelson was 12 years old when WWII ended, I don't see how he could have possibly served in this war (as Giraldi claims).

    Secondly, at no point does Adelson express "regret" for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is "unfortunate" that he never served in the Israeli military.

    Third, as far as wishing that his "son" becomes a sniper for the IDF Adelson simply jokes that maybe someday his young grandchild will join the IDF.

    Adelson's comments might be stupid or even offensive but Giraldi has taken them wildly out of context.

    “Secondly, at no point does Adelson express “regret” for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is “unfortunate” that he never served in the Israeli military.”

    You are rewriting Adelson’s comment.

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  92. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far.
     
    ever heard of George W. Bush?

    ever heard of a war on Iraq?

    ever heard of Obama's war on Syria?

    how many billions do we send to Israel every year?

    how has our special relationship with Israel benifited the American people?

    we go to endless wars and our young people come back in bags or worse. We slaughter innocents and destroy entire countries and create refugees by the millions upon millions. We facilitate the daily humiliations and use of Palestinians as walking organ storage units for Israelis so that if they need a kidney, they just shoot a teenager and remove it. They buy and sell smuggled Eastern European young women who've been raped and drugged like chattel on the block to pimps who treat them worse than animals.
    They steal other people's land, like the Golan Heights and settlement in the West Bank and generally act like monsters to their victims who're at their mercy. And we're forced to fund all of that because of Jewish influence on our politics. Jews own our media and they own Hollywood and they produce movies that relentlessly promote degeneracy.

    There are a lot of things that Jews are doing that are objectionable. Is it misguided to point that out?

    Is it misguided to point out the incident of the USS Liberty and 911 and the treachery behind those singular events?

    What about Wall Street and the Fed and how between Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve Bank and the US Treasury there's an obvious incestuous gang of super thieves looting this country dry? Is that something we should all carefully use our blinders to avoid seeing, or certainly mentioning?

    Many Jews are extraordinary people and have done extraordinary things. Some of them good. Jonas Salk for instance. But some of them very, very bad. Jonathon Pollard for instance.

    The reason Jews are often singled out for comment is because their collective influence on our countries and culture and societies often times is notable.

    You left Clinton off your list.

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    hey Realist,

    Since Wilson, they've all been complicit with the money men after Woodrow handed Rothschild the keys to the Treasury

    But for a while there was some semblance of sanity. Clinton singlehandedly demolished the principle of International Law when he bombed Serbia into submission, but at least he didn't go further than that by destroying entire countries for the tribe. But then if his gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars
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  93. At least the oligarchs are out in the open about their intentions so no one is under the impression that their vote matters. The only hope I have now concerning foreign policy is that the US military will not go for something completely stupid. If Seymour Hersh and Chalmers Johnson are right then the US military has its limits (war with Iran/supporting Salafi Jihadist). That will be the only check on the next president’s psychopathy. Hillary is unapologetic concerning the evil she has done. She might very well fulfill all of Saban’s desires if she is unopposed.

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  94. KenH says:

    It’s not even in dispute anymore that Israel wins no matter who gets elected president of the U.S. I assure you the Izzies aren’t biting their fingernails when it comes to the next president. And even if by some miracle America elected a president that put America first we have all the whores in Congress who are owned by AIPAC and thus act/vote like the American Knesset where Israel is concerned.

    The fundamentalist Christians are insufferable when it comes to supporting Israel and are so worshipful that it becomes treason and disloyalty to America. A prime example is Ted Cruz who won’t stand with anyone who won’t stand with Israel. And Sarah Palin loudly proclaimed that she loved Israel during the 2008 vice presidential debate with Joe Biden.

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  95. @Bardon Kaldian
    The Iraq & Afghan wars were fought on multiple levels, and Israeli component was just one among many others (more important included Haliburton and British Petroleum); Obama's "war on Syria" has more to do with the blockade of Russian Fleet in Syrian ports & is simply a mess many hubristic politicians wade off into frequently; most money sent to Israel is from military-industrial complex that wants to sell even more military equipment to rich Arab Gulf countries- no Israeli lobby is as strong as are US military equipment producers; "special relations" are not that special. Real special relations are with those countries belonging to the Anglosphere (five eyes), where Israel is still not permitted to enter.

    Most of the rest is just an unsubstantiated rant, peppered with gory Frankenstein details I'm well acquainted with from Serbian propaganda during 1990s. You people better try to get some grip on real history's why & hows: read Raymond Aron, Zbig Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, the 1st book by William Engdahl (the rest is paranoia), ...

    Reasonable premises all, having grown up through the military and commercial side of Military Industrial in the DC area, I concur all. No one is stronger than defense contractors and security/Intel types. They get the toys and strategies they request without fail it seems. It’s a parallel government, governed by no one and if you aren’t inside, you are most assuredly are not invited. I feel that the Bushes, Obamas, Clintons and Reagans of the White House are other-ruled in many items of the duties of Executive Branch.

    And so I ask Bardon, having read Brzezinski, Kissinger and Engdahl, when you look out over the foreign landscape, are we screwed, or do we always prevail? And especially, within our own borders, how do you see it all coming out, say, 50 years out? Brzezinski and Kissinger have woven themselves into and out of the very top for many decades now, I have my opinions on them, but whatever you think of them, when they talk, you must listen. All these years, they always seem to have the ear of folks that have a rather large say in “things”.

    What do you think, Berdon?

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    It is, of course, impossible to predict anything on that level. But, looking from our vantage point, I would say that the most important thing is to win a war on ideas, the culture war demonizing Euro-Americans & their identity and heritage. The affirmation of the American nation as basically white, or having roots in broader Western culture ( Greco-Roman heritage; Enlightenment & Rationalism; mostly Christian and, perhaps, post-Christian spiritual culture & official American English language) would end in a "browner" US, but still a recognizable historical country.

    If not, the US will become a mega-Brazil (not South Africa) with nukes and, eventually, fall apart into a few ethno- states. Other scenarios are possible, of course, but neo-liberal imperialism cannot last. History has taught us something Pat Buchanan has aptly summarized: "Race matters. Ethnicity matters. History matters. Faith matters. Nationality matters. While they are not everything, they are not nothing. Multiculturalism be damned, this is what history teaches us."
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  96. Rurik says:
    @Realist
    You left Clinton off your list.

    hey Realist,

    Since Wilson, they’ve all been complicit with the money men after Woodrow handed Rothschild the keys to the Treasury

    But for a while there was some semblance of sanity. Clinton singlehandedly demolished the principle of International Law when he bombed Serbia into submission, but at least he didn’t go further than that by destroying entire countries for the tribe. But then if his gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars

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    if his [Clinton's] gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars
     
    will ?
    , @Realist
    "Since Wilson, they’ve all been complicit with the money men after Woodrow handed Rothschild the keys to the Treasury "

    I agree.
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  97. Svigor says:

    Free speech doesn’t have anything to do with allowing ignorant dickheads to muck up a thread.

    Right. Free speech is just an empty, self-serving platitude in the mouths of South Asian types (inter alia). Fawning praise of Razib, sans content = Very Important Data (for Razib’s ego). Correcting that praise as being owed to someone other than Razib = “mucking up the thread” and “ignorance.” Obviously.

    Americans embarrassed? Really? Americans are still capable of feeling shame?

    Sure. Whenever the media tells them to.

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  98. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rurik
    hey Realist,

    Since Wilson, they've all been complicit with the money men after Woodrow handed Rothschild the keys to the Treasury

    But for a while there was some semblance of sanity. Clinton singlehandedly demolished the principle of International Law when he bombed Serbia into submission, but at least he didn't go further than that by destroying entire countries for the tribe. But then if his gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars

    if his [Clinton's] gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars

    will ?

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    if his [Clinton's] gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars

     

    will ?

     

    there are a lot of people who look back on WWII with horror

    Sixty million Russians, Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, British, Americans and others were horrifically burned alive or ripped apart by lead and shrapnel, or raped and/or tortured or starved to death in that orgy of Satanic slaughter that engulfed much of Europe and Russia and left it reduced to smoking ashes.

    Then there are also a lot of people who contemplate all of that and believe it was a good start, but it has to get finished!

    as long as there are Germans who are happy and Russians who are strong and British who are out ridding or playing cricket, there will be some whose souls are twisted into tormented wraiths. Agonizing at the sounds of laughter and the sight of ruddy cheeked youth.

    For them these minor skirmishes that only get a few millions ground up here and there is foreplay. They can mollify their angst by droning a wedding here and there or blowing up a commercial jet in the sky, but it only puts salve on their soul-wounds - but does nothing to sate that eternal imperative surging in their veins.

    The followers of Leo Strauss understand that to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. And the omelet they have in mind is something from Moloch's abyss.

    So if you think the wars in the Middle East are something, wait until that gorgon gets in there and tells her newly confirmed State Dept. that job number one is to "get Putin". No matter the costs or consequences.

    Then we'll see some carnage like you've never dreamed of

    And she's just the vicious hag to see it though, believe me ; )

    why do you think they picked her?
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  99. Svigor says:

    It’s not even in dispute anymore that Israel wins no matter who gets elected president of the U.S. I assure you the Izzies aren’t biting their fingernails when it comes to the next president. And even if by some miracle America elected a president that put America first we have all the whores in Congress who are owned by AIPAC and thus act/vote like the American Knesset where Israel is concerned.

    The fundamentalist Christians are insufferable when it comes to supporting Israel and are so worshipful that it becomes treason and disloyalty to America. A prime example is Ted Cruz who won’t stand with anyone who won’t stand with Israel. And Sarah Palin loudly proclaimed that she loved Israel during the 2008 vice presidential debate with Joe Biden.

    Yes, the fundamentalist Christians are insufferable. They’re to blame.

    But not, say, the Jews, who appear nowhere in your comment.

    Haha. Israel must be a fundamentalist Christian Apartheid State. AIPAC must be a fundamentalist Christian organization.

    So many brave souls on the “anti-Zionist left.”

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    But not, say, the Jews, who appear nowhere in your comment.

    Haha. Israel must be a fundamentalist Christian Apartheid State. AIPAC must be a fundamentalist Christian organization.
     
    You lost me because not only am I not an anti-Zionist leftist, but I assumed most readers on this site are acutely aware of the scope of Jewish power and influence in America and how they've co-opted groups such as the dispensationalist Christians/fundamentalists/evangelicals to become their enablers along with many politicians.

    Nevertheless, I will continue to attack said gentile enablers of Jewish power.
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  100. Rurik says:
    @anonymous

    if his [Clinton's] gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars
     
    will ?

    if his [Clinton's] gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars

    will ?

    there are a lot of people who look back on WWII with horror

    Sixty million Russians, Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, British, Americans and others were horrifically burned alive or ripped apart by lead and shrapnel, or raped and/or tortured or starved to death in that orgy of Satanic slaughter that engulfed much of Europe and Russia and left it reduced to smoking ashes.

    Then there are also a lot of people who contemplate all of that and believe it was a good start, but it has to get finished!

    as long as there are Germans who are happy and Russians who are strong and British who are out ridding or playing cricket, there will be some whose souls are twisted into tormented wraiths. Agonizing at the sounds of laughter and the sight of ruddy cheeked youth.

    For them these minor skirmishes that only get a few millions ground up here and there is foreplay. They can mollify their angst by droning a wedding here and there or blowing up a commercial jet in the sky, but it only puts salve on their soul-wounds – but does nothing to sate that eternal imperative surging in their veins.

    The followers of Leo Strauss understand that to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. And the omelet they have in mind is something from Moloch’s abyss.

    So if you think the wars in the Middle East are something, wait until that gorgon gets in there and tells her newly confirmed State Dept. that job number one is to “get Putin”. No matter the costs or consequences.

    Then we’ll see some carnage like you’ve never dreamed of

    And she’s just the vicious hag to see it though, believe me ; )

    why do you think they picked her?

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    The followers of Leo Strauss understand that to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. And the omelet they have in mind is something from Moloch’s abyss.
     
    Rurik, your comment about Strauss reminded of an exchange I had with another Unz commenter, a couple of years ago:

    other commenter: I’ve been thinking for a while that the US has been hijacked by people who are sophist in the mold of Thrasymachus and Callicles who rejected conventional morality.”

    geokat62: You're one of the few who understands the philosophical roots of the neocon ideology. The father of neoconservatism is Leo Strauss who looked to the ancients, especially Plato and his concept of the Noble Lie, for inspiration. The fundamental tenet of this ideology is that “there is no rational foundation for morality… It’s all about benefiting others and oneself; there is no objective reason for doing so, only rewards and punishments in this life.”

    Here’s an excellent interview about Strauss – http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5010.htm

     

    , @RobinG
    This is a keeper, Rurik. I can imagine you reading this at a poetry slam.....or a Trump rally.
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  101. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik



    if his [Clinton's] gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars

     

    will ?

     

    there are a lot of people who look back on WWII with horror

    Sixty million Russians, Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, British, Americans and others were horrifically burned alive or ripped apart by lead and shrapnel, or raped and/or tortured or starved to death in that orgy of Satanic slaughter that engulfed much of Europe and Russia and left it reduced to smoking ashes.

    Then there are also a lot of people who contemplate all of that and believe it was a good start, but it has to get finished!

    as long as there are Germans who are happy and Russians who are strong and British who are out ridding or playing cricket, there will be some whose souls are twisted into tormented wraiths. Agonizing at the sounds of laughter and the sight of ruddy cheeked youth.

    For them these minor skirmishes that only get a few millions ground up here and there is foreplay. They can mollify their angst by droning a wedding here and there or blowing up a commercial jet in the sky, but it only puts salve on their soul-wounds - but does nothing to sate that eternal imperative surging in their veins.

    The followers of Leo Strauss understand that to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. And the omelet they have in mind is something from Moloch's abyss.

    So if you think the wars in the Middle East are something, wait until that gorgon gets in there and tells her newly confirmed State Dept. that job number one is to "get Putin". No matter the costs or consequences.

    Then we'll see some carnage like you've never dreamed of

    And she's just the vicious hag to see it though, believe me ; )

    why do you think they picked her?

    The followers of Leo Strauss understand that to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. And the omelet they have in mind is something from Moloch’s abyss.

    Rurik, your comment about Strauss reminded of an exchange I had with another Unz commenter, a couple of years ago:

    other commenter: I’ve been thinking for a while that the US has been hijacked by people who are sophist in the mold of Thrasymachus and Callicles who rejected conventional morality.”

    geokat62: You’re one of the few who understands the philosophical roots of the neocon ideology. The father of neoconservatism is Leo Strauss who looked to the ancients, especially Plato and his concept of the Noble Lie, for inspiration. The fundamental tenet of this ideology is that “there is no rational foundation for morality… It’s all about benefiting others and oneself; there is no objective reason for doing so, only rewards and punishments in this life.”

    Here’s an excellent interview about Strauss – http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5010.htm

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  102. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    why do you think they picked her?

    they picked her because she is damaged goods and they picked her when she was damaged goods. They — you know who They are — saw the right combination of simmering ambition and seething humiliation and offered her the realization of a revenge fantasy served up from a bottomless bowl. It’s about the money, but it’s so much more than the money.

    Hillary is the prime example of the banality of evil.

    Same goes for Congress — it’s money, but more than money. The Straussians know how to make their Mark part of the “in-crowd;” when you’re on-board the Straussian-zionist train, you are In. You have Power, baby.

    Speaking of the banality of evil — what troubles me most is how our young people have been turned into agents to work out the genocidal rage of the Straussians: the brightest of our young engineers are seduced to work for their spy organizations. The best of our young historians will NOT see an acceptance letter from a publisher, nor from one of the formerly fine universities that old-line Americans built with their hard-earned dollars and ideals, unless they megaphone the Straussian narrative. America’s own young people are turned against it in their idealistic quest to be part of the nation, and their psychological need to compete and achieve.

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  103. @Jim Christian
    Reasonable premises all, having grown up through the military and commercial side of Military Industrial in the DC area, I concur all. No one is stronger than defense contractors and security/Intel types. They get the toys and strategies they request without fail it seems. It's a parallel government, governed by no one and if you aren't inside, you are most assuredly are not invited. I feel that the Bushes, Obamas, Clintons and Reagans of the White House are other-ruled in many items of the duties of Executive Branch.

    And so I ask Bardon, having read Brzezinski, Kissinger and Engdahl, when you look out over the foreign landscape, are we screwed, or do we always prevail? And especially, within our own borders, how do you see it all coming out, say, 50 years out? Brzezinski and Kissinger have woven themselves into and out of the very top for many decades now, I have my opinions on them, but whatever you think of them, when they talk, you must listen. All these years, they always seem to have the ear of folks that have a rather large say in "things".

    What do you think, Berdon?

    It is, of course, impossible to predict anything on that level. But, looking from our vantage point, I would say that the most important thing is to win a war on ideas, the culture war demonizing Euro-Americans & their identity and heritage. The affirmation of the American nation as basically white, or having roots in broader Western culture ( Greco-Roman heritage; Enlightenment & Rationalism; mostly Christian and, perhaps, post-Christian spiritual culture & official American English language) would end in a “browner” US, but still a recognizable historical country.

    If not, the US will become a mega-Brazil (not South Africa) with nukes and, eventually, fall apart into a few ethno- states. Other scenarios are possible, of course, but neo-liberal imperialism cannot last. History has taught us something Pat Buchanan has aptly summarized: “Race matters. Ethnicity matters. History matters. Faith matters. Nationality matters. While they are not everything, they are not nothing. Multiculturalism be damned, this is what history teaches us.”

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    I like everything about your comment except the faith part.
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  104. RobinG says:
    @Rurik



    if his [Clinton's] gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars

     

    will ?

     

    there are a lot of people who look back on WWII with horror

    Sixty million Russians, Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, British, Americans and others were horrifically burned alive or ripped apart by lead and shrapnel, or raped and/or tortured or starved to death in that orgy of Satanic slaughter that engulfed much of Europe and Russia and left it reduced to smoking ashes.

    Then there are also a lot of people who contemplate all of that and believe it was a good start, but it has to get finished!

    as long as there are Germans who are happy and Russians who are strong and British who are out ridding or playing cricket, there will be some whose souls are twisted into tormented wraiths. Agonizing at the sounds of laughter and the sight of ruddy cheeked youth.

    For them these minor skirmishes that only get a few millions ground up here and there is foreplay. They can mollify their angst by droning a wedding here and there or blowing up a commercial jet in the sky, but it only puts salve on their soul-wounds - but does nothing to sate that eternal imperative surging in their veins.

    The followers of Leo Strauss understand that to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs. And the omelet they have in mind is something from Moloch's abyss.

    So if you think the wars in the Middle East are something, wait until that gorgon gets in there and tells her newly confirmed State Dept. that job number one is to "get Putin". No matter the costs or consequences.

    Then we'll see some carnage like you've never dreamed of

    And she's just the vicious hag to see it though, believe me ; )

    why do you think they picked her?

    This is a keeper, Rurik. I can imagine you reading this at a poetry slam…..or a Trump rally.

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    not a Hasbara then anymore?

    ; )
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  105. Realist says:
    @Rurik
    hey Realist,

    Since Wilson, they've all been complicit with the money men after Woodrow handed Rothschild the keys to the Treasury

    But for a while there was some semblance of sanity. Clinton singlehandedly demolished the principle of International Law when he bombed Serbia into submission, but at least he didn't go further than that by destroying entire countries for the tribe. But then if his gorgon wife gets back into the White House, this planet will become an inferno of wars

    “Since Wilson, they’ve all been complicit with the money men after Woodrow handed Rothschild the keys to the Treasury ”

    I agree.

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  106. […] “No Matter Who Becomes President Israel Wins”  The oddity of being captured by a parasite. […]

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  107. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Sovereignty or Suzerainty?

    That is the question of the 21st century for most nations around the world.

    The Jewish-controlled US will not tolerate the sovereignty of any nation.

    If it says ‘someone must go’, that someone must go. Jews say Assad must go. (But the thug Netanyahu can go on taking land from Palestinians and killing Arabs. And demanding billions more from the US.)

    The real crime of Syria is that it’s been a sovereign state allied with nations like Russia and Iran, both hated by Jews. Its sovereignty will not be tolerated.

    To break the hold the Zio-globalist Suzerainty all over the world, white gentiles must first emerge from Jewish elite domination. Jewish power is enabled by white gentile collaboration. Indeed, if white gentiles were to overthrow the Jewish yoke, Jews would not be able to cause so much trouble and suffering all over the world via finance capitalism, military interventions, subversion, cultural degeneration, and etc.

    But why is Jewish domination to difficult to break?

    1. Jews control the media and can destroy anyone’s reputation in a sec.

    2. Jews control finance and can destroy anyone’s wealth in a sec.

    3. Jews control the academia and mold elite minds of gentiles.

    4. Jews use Holocaust guilt to mute any criticism of Jewish power.

    5. Jews ally with people-of-color(ennobled by the Narrative as the perennial victims of white ‘racism’ and ‘imperialism’) and play on ‘white guilt’ to prevent the emergence of any white power movement. For white power movement to emerge, whites must feel victimized, wronged, dispossessed, and oppressed, thus justified in their demand for power.
    And many whites are beginning to feel this way under the power of Jewish-global-domination. Jews fear this, so they buy off elite whites as comprador-collaborators and vilify angry middle class/working class/poor whites as deranged, ‘racist’, ‘xenophobic’, and etc.

    This is why Jews need diversity to play on white guilt. Suppose there were only whites and Jews in a nation and suppose whites were to notice that Jews have great power and privilege over them. Despite the Holocaust cult, whites will eventually come to see Jews as the ruling elites. White Guilt will gradually ebb away as it becomes ever more apparent to whites that Jews rule over them and that Jewish power must be challenged.
    So, in order to play on ‘white guilt’ in regards to ‘white privilege’, it is helpful to Jews to have a big population that is poorer than whites. That way, Jews can badger whites and say, “Look at those unfortunate blacks and browns. They are poorer and worse off than you whites, so that must mean you whites have white privilege over them.” Thus, as whites are made to feel ‘guilty’ for having more than blacks and browns, the fact that Jews have more than whites is pushed to the back while Jews encourage blacks to scream BLM.

    In a world of only Jews and whites, it would become obvious to whites that their sovereignty has been taken away as they live under a state of suzerainty under the Jewish elites. So naturally, the masses of whites will look upon Jews as the rulers whose power should be challenged.

    In order for Jews to keep their suzerain power over whites, they must convince whites that they, the whites, got all the power in the world and are ruling over everyone else. Thus, whites are distracted from demanding their own sovereignty(independent of Jewish power) and instead made to obsess about their ‘white guilt’ and ‘white privilege’ over blacks and browns, to whom so much is owed.

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  108. alexander says:

    Dear Mr Giraldi,

    Has anyone taken the time to ask any of the extremely wealthy patrons of Israel who are bankrolling their American President of choice, whether they have a “peace plan”. ?

    Do any purport to actually having a plan for resolving the conflict that does not involve, war, occupation, land grabbing, and the expulsion and/or extermination of Palestinians?

    Does Mr Netanyahu, as a leader, have a “plan” for peace ?

    Does Israel, as a nation, have a plan for peace ?

    Is there currently a ten point” peace plan”…. somewhere…… sponsored by the Israeli government,that shows specific resolutions to all the outstanding issues within the conflict ?

    If there is , I would like to see it.

    I am well aware of the entire international communities requirements for peace as spelled out most succinctly in U.N.S.C. resolutions 242 and 338

    I am well aware of the 2002 Arab peace plan…which conforms wholly with the U.N.S.C. mandates.

    I am well aware that the Palestinians have accepted nearly all ,if not all ,the Security Council resolutions, as well as those enumerated within the Arab peace initiative.

    But where is Israel ?

    Has Israel articulated to anyone, anywhere ” their” peace plan ?

    Mr Giraldi,……. I need to ask you this, in complete honesty….

    If” you” are the guy who has “No” plan for peace….how can the “other guy” be the terrorist ?

    If “you ” are the guy who wants “war”….and the other guy has “accepted” all the peaceful resolutions to the conflict…..how is it “he” can be the terrorist…and “not” you?

    I need to understand how it is possible that this may be so.

    Do you know?

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    Good question(s) but I think there are two possible lines of argument that negate your premise to some extent. One is that Israel would say that it is all too complicated to have a single credible peace plan. There are so many avowed enemies who want the destruction of Israel that there is no choice but to be nimble, flexible, strong, adaptable and opportunistic in the realistic expectation that peace in the sense enjoyed by most countries outside the ME is unlikely. The other (and no doubt there are others) is that they take the Daniel Pipes realist view that there will only be peace when the Palestinians are defeated and recognise that they are defeated. There is obviously much more to say but gotta run.
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  109. Art says:
    @Sherman
    First of all, being that Adelson was 12 years old when WWII ended, I don't see how he could have possibly served in this war (as Giraldi claims).

    Secondly, at no point does Adelson express "regret" for serving in the U.S. military. He simply says it is "unfortunate" that he never served in the Israeli military.

    Third, as far as wishing that his "son" becomes a sniper for the IDF Adelson simply jokes that maybe someday his young grandchild will join the IDF.

    Adelson's comments might be stupid or even offensive but Giraldi has taken them wildly out of context.

    “Adelson’s comments might be stupid or even offensive but Giraldi has taken them wildly out of context..”

    Gee Sherm.

    You left out the anti-Semite charge?$$#%^%?

    Hate to see it, but your hasbara supervisor is going to dock you.

    Your friend — Art

    p.s. Get it back — go ahead – hit me with everything you got.

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  110. @Astuteobservor II
    literally almost every single politician is leashed by israel. no exception.

    Well I see this wasn’t a product of your deepest thoughts and tightest editing (literally almost every v. no exceptions) but I invite you to consider how many paymasters can buy or leash one politician – and for your list of exceptions.

    Obviously a Senator Rockefeller is prima facie not owned/leashed and maybe there are other names that come to mind from recent decades but for those in serious need of money and of there being no well financed opponent even or especially in the primaries how does it work?

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  111. @alexander
    Dear Mr Giraldi,


    Has anyone taken the time to ask any of the extremely wealthy patrons of Israel who are bankrolling their American President of choice, whether they have a "peace plan". ?

    Do any purport to actually having a plan for resolving the conflict that does not involve, war, occupation, land grabbing, and the expulsion and/or extermination of Palestinians?

    Does Mr Netanyahu, as a leader, have a "plan" for peace ?

    Does Israel, as a nation, have a plan for peace ?

    Is there currently a ten point" peace plan".... somewhere...... sponsored by the Israeli government,that shows specific resolutions to all the outstanding issues within the conflict ?

    If there is , I would like to see it.

    I am well aware of the entire international communities requirements for peace as spelled out most succinctly in U.N.S.C. resolutions 242 and 338

    I am well aware of the 2002 Arab peace plan...which conforms wholly with the U.N.S.C. mandates.

    I am well aware that the Palestinians have accepted nearly all ,if not all ,the Security Council resolutions, as well as those enumerated within the Arab peace initiative.

    But where is Israel ?

    Has Israel articulated to anyone, anywhere " their" peace plan ?


    Mr Giraldi,....... I need to ask you this, in complete honesty....

    If" you" are the guy who has "No" plan for peace....how can the "other guy" be the terrorist ?

    If "you " are the guy who wants "war"....and the other guy has "accepted" all the peaceful resolutions to the conflict.....how is it "he" can be the terrorist...and "not" you?

    I need to understand how it is possible that this may be so.

    Do you know?

    Good question(s) but I think there are two possible lines of argument that negate your premise to some extent. One is that Israel would say that it is all too complicated to have a single credible peace plan. There are so many avowed enemies who want the destruction of Israel that there is no choice but to be nimble, flexible, strong, adaptable and opportunistic in the realistic expectation that peace in the sense enjoyed by most countries outside the ME is unlikely. The other (and no doubt there are others) is that they take the Daniel Pipes realist view that there will only be peace when the Palestinians are defeated and recognise that they are defeated. There is obviously much more to say but gotta run.

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    Yes, Mr Oz,

    Well, I don't want the destruction of Israel.....that would be terrible.

    but I don't want the destruction of Palestine either....how is that not equally tragic ?


    If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination...which it was...how can the holocaust of Palestine ...today...be no less so ?

    Two wrongs can never make a right.

    Can they... Mr Oz ?

    Israel needs a "peace plan"...and it needs it fast.
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  112. @Kiza
    This was really sad to read. The US, "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave" has become "The Land of the Slave and the Home of the Ass-Kisser". 99.99% of US citizenry still has no idea whose slaves they are.

    I wanted to ran a little wager against my friends: who is going to win to become POTUS, but 100% said Hitlary. There is only one candidate in the race.

    Things are not much different in UK, France, Italy, Denmark, and so on.

    “I wanted to ran a little wager against my friends: who is going to win to become POTUS, but 100% said Hitlary.”

    I’ve got to believe that the same number of Dems are tired of “business as usual” as conservatives.

    The same media that is swearing Hitlery beats all GOP choices is the same govt media that lies about everything else.

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  113. @Bardon Kaldian
    It is, of course, impossible to predict anything on that level. But, looking from our vantage point, I would say that the most important thing is to win a war on ideas, the culture war demonizing Euro-Americans & their identity and heritage. The affirmation of the American nation as basically white, or having roots in broader Western culture ( Greco-Roman heritage; Enlightenment & Rationalism; mostly Christian and, perhaps, post-Christian spiritual culture & official American English language) would end in a "browner" US, but still a recognizable historical country.

    If not, the US will become a mega-Brazil (not South Africa) with nukes and, eventually, fall apart into a few ethno- states. Other scenarios are possible, of course, but neo-liberal imperialism cannot last. History has taught us something Pat Buchanan has aptly summarized: "Race matters. Ethnicity matters. History matters. Faith matters. Nationality matters. While they are not everything, they are not nothing. Multiculturalism be damned, this is what history teaches us."

    I like everything about your comment except the faith part.

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    "I like everything about your comment except the faith part."

    Sorry the universe does not work that way. Things evolve because they produce something that can survive.

    What you love evolved out of the Christian faith. Western freedom and Western science evolved out of the Christian faith.

    Is it not obvious that as we get away from that faith – things get worse and worse.

    Do one and one still make two?
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  114. alexander says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Good question(s) but I think there are two possible lines of argument that negate your premise to some extent. One is that Israel would say that it is all too complicated to have a single credible peace plan. There are so many avowed enemies who want the destruction of Israel that there is no choice but to be nimble, flexible, strong, adaptable and opportunistic in the realistic expectation that peace in the sense enjoyed by most countries outside the ME is unlikely. The other (and no doubt there are others) is that they take the Daniel Pipes realist view that there will only be peace when the Palestinians are defeated and recognise that they are defeated. There is obviously much more to say but gotta run.

    Yes, Mr Oz,

    Well, I don’t want the destruction of Israel…..that would be terrible.

    but I don’t want the destruction of Palestine either….how is that not equally tragic ?

    If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination…which it was…how can the holocaust of Palestine …today…be no less so ?

    Two wrongs can never make a right.

    Can they… Mr Oz ?

    Israel needs a “peace plan”…and it needs it fast.

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    You are saying I think that Israel needs to be seen by the big players in the world to have a peace plan if it is not to be regarded as a pariah that, in the end, cannot count on support for its survival if any hostile power in the ME becomes powerful enough to defeat it.

    Or are you just saying that morally Israel ought to be putting forward proposals for a peace agreement in good faith (that is not one that is designed to fail) even if it is vanishingly unlikely that all the necessary parties will accept? Who btw do you think are the necessary parties?
    , @Avery
    {If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination…which it was…how can the holocaust of Palestine …today…be no less so ?}

    How are the war crimes committed by the State of Israel against Palestinians remotely comparable to the Holocaust ?
    What the heck are you talking about ?
    Nazis systematically murdered 6 million (or so) Jews in an industrial scale, meticulously organized program.
    (amongst millions of other Untermenschen, e.g. Slavs)
    Jews came close to being wiped out from the face of the Earth.
    How may Palestinians has the state of Israel killed and murdered since its founding?
    25,000 ?
    30,000 max ?
    The population of the Palestinian Territories (W. Bank and Gaza) is about 4.5 million.
    In 1970 it was about 1 million.
    Population of both has been growing handsomely.
    Yes: from 1970 to 2015 population of PT grew from 1 million to 4.5 million.
    What holocaust are you talking about.

    Apartheid practices by Israel ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Land theft ? Yes.
    Murder ? Yes.
    Ethnic cleansing ? Yes.
    War crimes ? Yes.

    Holocaust ? Give me a break.
    Do you even know the meaning of the word ?

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  115. Art says:

    “The same media that is swearing Hitlery beats all GOP choices is the same govt media that lies about everything else.”Through the day I monitor the news aggregators – every story all the time is negative to Trump.”

    In all the news aggregators – every story all the time is negative to Trump.

    The Jew controlled MSM’s most effective way to stop someone is to ignore them. But Trump makes them too much money.

    I think that they will stop giving him an open mic – that they will only use edited video stories.

    Prevail – do not be put off – Elect him.

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  116. Art says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    I like everything about your comment except the faith part.

    “I like everything about your comment except the faith part.”

    Sorry the universe does not work that way. Things evolve because they produce something that can survive.

    What you love evolved out of the Christian faith. Western freedom and Western science evolved out of the Christian faith.

    Is it not obvious that as we get away from that faith – things get worse and worse.

    Do one and one still make two?

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    are you seriously trying to attribute everything the western civilization has accomplished to christian faith? not despite of it?
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  117. KenH says:
    @Svigor

    It’s not even in dispute anymore that Israel wins no matter who gets elected president of the U.S. I assure you the Izzies aren’t biting their fingernails when it comes to the next president. And even if by some miracle America elected a president that put America first we have all the whores in Congress who are owned by AIPAC and thus act/vote like the American Knesset where Israel is concerned.

    The fundamentalist Christians are insufferable when it comes to supporting Israel and are so worshipful that it becomes treason and disloyalty to America. A prime example is Ted Cruz who won’t stand with anyone who won’t stand with Israel. And Sarah Palin loudly proclaimed that she loved Israel during the 2008 vice presidential debate with Joe Biden.
     

    Yes, the fundamentalist Christians are insufferable. They're to blame.

    But not, say, the Jews, who appear nowhere in your comment.

    Haha. Israel must be a fundamentalist Christian Apartheid State. AIPAC must be a fundamentalist Christian organization.

    So many brave souls on the "anti-Zionist left."

    But not, say, the Jews, who appear nowhere in your comment.

    Haha. Israel must be a fundamentalist Christian Apartheid State. AIPAC must be a fundamentalist Christian organization.

    You lost me because not only am I not an anti-Zionist leftist, but I assumed most readers on this site are acutely aware of the scope of Jewish power and influence in America and how they’ve co-opted groups such as the dispensationalist Christians/fundamentalists/evangelicals to become their enablers along with many politicians.

    Nevertheless, I will continue to attack said gentile enablers of Jewish power.

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  118. @Art
    "I like everything about your comment except the faith part."

    Sorry the universe does not work that way. Things evolve because they produce something that can survive.

    What you love evolved out of the Christian faith. Western freedom and Western science evolved out of the Christian faith.

    Is it not obvious that as we get away from that faith – things get worse and worse.

    Do one and one still make two?

    are you seriously trying to attribute everything the western civilization has accomplished to christian faith? not despite of it?

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    "are you seriously trying to attribute everything the western civilization has accomplished to christian faith? not despite of it?"

    Yes - I am saying that despite the priests and preachers and their exclusion and inclusion hate games – that Christianity has been a big plus for humanity.

    That plus comes in the form of the volitional Western Christian philosophy for living. This philosophy has little to do with God – it is a prescription for free living. It takes the form of a set of ideals to live by – it says – live with hope, respect life, seek the truth, forgive, love your neighbor as you love yourself, regardless of who your neighbor is. Aren't those the ideals that drive Western culture?

    No one is perfect, but if we work towards these ideals 80% of the time – 80% of the time things will work out. The world does not need perfect, it needs better. Living out ideals does that.

    Have there been major failures - of course – tribal waring still churns our souls. But in the private world (the non-state world) Western life is steadily improving. As the state gains more power over its private citizens, things turn the other way. Force will never ever bring a better world.
    , @Jim Christian
    Indeed he is. Faith provided a cohesion, provided rules. Faith, when observed, kept the women in their place. Faith demanded men behave as men. It provoked standards and where standards failed, punishment. A framework of basic morality under which great things happen, inventions and advancement are supported.

    When faith fails, society loses a point of cohesion, the morals fly off in all directions, loyalties die, the women and depravity are elevated. When a society's faith fails, women are permitted to rise to their level of incompetence, softening and weakening the fabric of the nation. Who could argue this? The faith dies, women are elevated, the men dispensed with, the birthrate falls, and stronger forces move in to fill the vacuum of weakness provided by the women. Gee, Europe is a case in good point. Further, the women in power, given their weakness, make terrible decisions, see:Merkle.

    Who could argue the loss of faith in the United States, the abject rejection of faith by the women, who have been elevated, "liberated" to ruin the dialog in the legislatures, the board rooms, the House and Senate of the United States, reducing them to a screeching, toxic catfighting, petty revenge-fest. Loss of faith and the elevation of the women here in the U.S. also led to low birth rates. From there flows the vacuum of weakness into which flows the stronger, more faithful Hispanics and now, Muslims from various countries.

    And both groups maintain two binding, common characteristics: 1) Faith; 2)They haven't elevated the women; the women are largely breeder stock and maintainers of home and hearth.

    Faith isn't everything, but the strength of your culture, the strength of your men is maintained in strong cultures by the rules and laws of your faith in a higher power to which your society deems itself accountable to. And the Faith has rules regarding the women, this is why it is so important for women's groups and feminism at-large to dispense with the Faith as quickly as possible. Where a very few men still maintain a Christian houshold, feminism infects even that. Religious figures of the past knew a society declines when you allow woman to rise above her core competencies. It's out there to see in the weakening societies and it is there to see in the societies on the march.

    Faith. It's not everything in and of itself, but where observed, from faith flows the strength of a society.
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  119. @alexander
    Yes, Mr Oz,

    Well, I don't want the destruction of Israel.....that would be terrible.

    but I don't want the destruction of Palestine either....how is that not equally tragic ?


    If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination...which it was...how can the holocaust of Palestine ...today...be no less so ?

    Two wrongs can never make a right.

    Can they... Mr Oz ?

    Israel needs a "peace plan"...and it needs it fast.

    You are saying I think that Israel needs to be seen by the big players in the world to have a peace plan if it is not to be regarded as a pariah that, in the end, cannot count on support for its survival if any hostile power in the ME becomes powerful enough to defeat it.

    Or are you just saying that morally Israel ought to be putting forward proposals for a peace agreement in good faith (that is not one that is designed to fail) even if it is vanishingly unlikely that all the necessary parties will accept? Who btw do you think are the necessary parties?

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    I think Israel should accept the borders of the state in which it is recognized by the majority of the world.
    I think the Palestinian refugees, who were expelled (or forced to flee) from their homes in what is now "Israel "..should give up their right of return, but they should be compensated for doing so.
    they should be allowed to settle in Palestine, not Israel.

    I think if Israel wants to retain the use of the Golan heights, and it is recognized as "Syrian sovereign territory" by the whole world , then it should offer to "lease' the land from Syria, on a hundred year basis...much like Hong Kong was leased to the Brits.

    I think if Israel wishes to build a New Solomon's Temple", that is fine, but why does it have to be built on the dome of the rock ? I think Israel would be better served to pick a new spot for it, and accept a percentage of the tourist income from Palestine for all the Muslims that wish to visit the Al-Aqsa Mosque every year.

    I think Israel should trade its desalinization technology for a percentage of the gas reserves owned by Gaza within Gaza's territorial waters. Gaza gets clean water and Israel gets cheap gas.

    I think settlers who wish to live in what was once Judea and Samaria, should be entitled to do so..but they need to find a Palestinian who wishes to sell his property and buy it..But if the Palestinian does not wish to sell it...he should not have to. End of story.

    I think all the illegal settlement blocks beyond the green line should be abandoned, or integrated into Palestine,of which Settlers could retain dual citizenship...they could be Israeli citizens but pay property taxes to Palestine. if Israel wishes to retain large blocks as part of Israel, they should offer to purchase the land from Palestine.

    I think the enormous income and good will from entering into a durable peace deal would overwhelm Israel with positive energy.....like they have never seen or felt before..Jerusalem would be swarming with tourists....bursting in fact.....It would be a very exciting time for Israel and the world.

    Mr Netanyahu is always talking about "security"..."security"....what better security could Israel have than being at peace with its neighbors ?

    It could be a new golden age of peace and prosperity .....What would that feel like ?

    Aren't you curious to find out ?
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  120. Rurik says:
    @RobinG
    This is a keeper, Rurik. I can imagine you reading this at a poetry slam.....or a Trump rally.

    not a Hasbara then anymore?

    ; )

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  121. Avery says:
    @alexander
    Yes, Mr Oz,

    Well, I don't want the destruction of Israel.....that would be terrible.

    but I don't want the destruction of Palestine either....how is that not equally tragic ?


    If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination...which it was...how can the holocaust of Palestine ...today...be no less so ?

    Two wrongs can never make a right.

    Can they... Mr Oz ?

    Israel needs a "peace plan"...and it needs it fast.

    {If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination…which it was…how can the holocaust of Palestine …today…be no less so ?}

    How are the war crimes committed by the State of Israel against Palestinians remotely comparable to the Holocaust ?
    What the heck are you talking about ?
    Nazis systematically murdered 6 million (or so) Jews in an industrial scale, meticulously organized program.
    (amongst millions of other Untermenschen, e.g. Slavs)
    Jews came close to being wiped out from the face of the Earth.
    How may Palestinians has the state of Israel killed and murdered since its founding?
    25,000 ?
    30,000 max ?
    The population of the Palestinian Territories (W. Bank and Gaza) is about 4.5 million.
    In 1970 it was about 1 million.
    Population of both has been growing handsomely.
    Yes: from 1970 to 2015 population of PT grew from 1 million to 4.5 million.
    What holocaust are you talking about.

    Apartheid practices by Israel ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Land theft ? Yes.
    Murder ? Yes.
    Ethnic cleansing ? Yes.
    War crimes ? Yes.

    Holocaust ? Give me a break.
    Do you even know the meaning of the word ?

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    Hi Avery,

    Israel has no peace plan, none that I have seen, but if you know of one, please oblige me.

    Israel has made no indications to anyone that it plans to recognize Palestine at all,ever.

    The last leader who seemed to be genuine about recognizing Palestine,Yitzhak Rabin, was exterminated by a Jewish terrorist for suggesting it.

    Rather It seems Israel is very interested in consuming" all" the Palestinian territories, and using as much of the land and resources it can for itself.

    It seems Israel wants to reclaim all of "Judea and Samaria" as part of its greater nation state, in the process remaindering Palestine to the dust bin of history.

    In subsuming all the territory from river to the sea, Israel will exterminate Palestine as an viable national entity.

    That, Mr Avery, can only be defined as the Holocaust of Palestine.

    How would you define it? Liquidate? erase? disintegrate ? eradicate?

    I think Israel will deal with the "demographic threat of a potential Palestinian majority within a democratic "Greater Israel" through expulsion and extermination. I think Israel will try to have Jordan and Egypt absorb massive numbers of Palestinians, to perhaps minimize the amount of extermination that is required for a substantive Jewish majority in the newly expanded "greater Israel".

    I think Israel is doing everything in its power to initiate a new Intifada, right now, as a pretext to exterminate Palestinians in massive numbers.

    I think Israel would like to Initiate a world war between the United States and Iran within the next decade, and use that as a pretext to exterminate Palestinians in massive numbers.

    I think Israel has a thirty year time horizon for the completion of the holocaust of Palestine, it may take longer, I cannot be sure.

    If you feel I am wrong about this,please illuminate me as to what plans Israel has for Palestine, or for that matter what plans Israel has for Peace.

    At the moment, I see none.
    , @dfordoom

    Apartheid practices by Israel ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Land theft ? Yes.
    Murder ? Yes.
    Ethnic cleansing ? Yes.
    War crimes ? Yes.

    Holocaust ? Give me a break.
     
    Well as long as they're only guilty of a few little peccadilloes like apartheid, atrocities, land theft, murder, ethnic cleansing and war crimes that's OK then. Such minor blemishes are hardly worth mentioning.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Doesn't the word Holocaust mean Burnt Offering? Hasn't white phosphorous been used on civilians in Gaza? Pretty nasty burns there. The 25 - 30 thousand numbers you toss out like it's insignificant but they are people too. No doubt the numbers differ but the morality?

    On the subject of numbers, somewhere between 50 and 60 million people were killed in WWII, many of them innocents. It was a tragedy in every sense but why does the number 6 million keep coming up and rarely the number 60 million?

    There are other similarities too… collective punishments for one. Just wrong!

    One could make the argument that the term Chosen People isn't very far adrift from Master Race.

    I don't think opinion towards Jews in general is helped when people defend the indefensible when it comes to Israel.
    , @Mark Green
    Actually, the case can be made that the systematic annihilation of Germans by munitions and fire during WWII was as inhumane (or nearly so) as the alleged 'gassing' and murder of 'six million Jews'.

    The death and suffering on all sides was staggering. But as many as 12 million Germans died during the War. Therefore, it's unbalanced to focus only on just one group's losses. After all, no fewer than 40 million humans perished in this war (perhaps more). And the alleged number of Jewish causalities remains forensically unsubstantiated.

    The actual body-count in the camps was (though horrific) relatively small when compared to the vast and visible destruction of German cities and towns over five years of continuous allied bombing, invasion and warfare.

    Further, following WWII, the Red Cross estimated one million Jewish deaths in the camps.

    So the claim of six million Jews were deliberately 'murdered' while being held captive by Germany might be a gross and politicized exaggeration. After all, many concentration camp victims died of disease, starvation and malnutrition towards the war's end. And there was never a census of Jews in Europe before WWII or immediately after.

    Nevertheless, just doubting the 'official' number of Jewish deaths in WWII is now a criminal offense in much of the Western world, including Canada. A criminal offense.

    Indeed, it's 'Holocaust Denial' that is now treated like one of the world's Great Crises. This is absurd. But revealing. It reminds us again of who dominates TV, 'mainstream' news and opinion, Hollywood, publishing, and our political universe.

    Today, vast speech restrictions have been implemented in most of Europe to combat 'hate speech'. Yet there are no restrictions on advocating 'preemptive' war. Who benefits?

    Anti Fee Speech laws (strategic censorship) exist in some 18 Western countries. They also criminalize 'Holocaust Denial' and 'anti-Semitism'.

    As for the actual number of Jewish dead in WWII, 'facts' should require no legal protection. Should we arrest 'creationists' for denying evolution? Absurd.

    Let science and scholarship settle these arguments.

    Therefore, Jewish intolerance of dissent concerning this one vital 'fact' of WWII is highly suspicious. It's clear that Israel needs 'The Holocaust' to justify its Mideast colonizati0n since 'The Holocaust' helps make Jews unassailable.

    One ugly fact however is true:

    Claims of 'six million Jews' being slaughtered go back to the 19th century. The 19th century. And those claims were false. Totally false.

    Published claims of 'six million Jews' being killed were also common during WWI. That's even more false claims. (See: 'The First Holocaust').

    It was Jewish activists who cooked up these fabrications. These libelous charges received wide and respected coverage in numerous US newspapers. It's a fact. Easy to prove. Do you doubt this? Google it. See the archival newspapers themselves. 'Six million Jews'. Before WWII.

    Jewish claims about Jewish genocide prior to WWII are as common and clear and as the widespread (but largely unknown) Jewish involvement in the slave-trade during the 17th, 18th and early 19th century. It's all ugly and it's all undeniably true.

    Nation of Islam published a book that shows dozens of archival slave posters which prove this 'special relationship' between blacks and Jews. This is not to single out Jews for sins that were widely committed. But this insufferable 'always innocent' myth must be put to rest. Jewish ethnocentrism has reached epic proportions.

    As for WWII, some twelve million Germans died during that war. Maybe more. Maybe less. Plus, eight million Ukranians and perhaps as many as twenty million Russians were killed. Why are their lives so unimportant?

    Indeed, the artificial centrality of 'The Holocaust' trivializes the suffering of humanity.

    In the book, 'Out of Control', author and statesman, Zbigniew Brezinski, estimated that some 220,000,000 people died in wars in the 20th century alone. Two hundred and twenty million. Why is this staggering fact of so little interest? And so unknown?

    It should be remembered that books were published before WWII which advocated total German annihilation. (See: 'Germany Must Perish'). Propaganda of this kind only helped bring on WWII. Should we not strive to look at the complete picture?

    Today, we have Jewish-dominated 'think tanks', billionaire donors, mega-rich 'philanthropists' and concentrated media conglomerates that endorse, justify, help orchestrate, and spearhead Zio-America's globe-trotting 'War on Terror', not to mention violent 'regime-change' in nations deemed hostile to you-know-who.

    There are also independent agents of war like George Soros, Haim Sabin and Sheldon Adelson who fund the operatives, Parties, and sometimes (in the case of Soros) even or the conflicts themselves.

    If these operatives have their way, Assad's Syria is going down and after that, Iran. Lebanon and Putin's Russia are also in the cross-hairs. Who benefits?

    This is bad karma, dude.

    As early as 1933, Jews spearheaded a global economic war on Germany. Economic war on Germany. 1933. Early on. Preemption. Not unlike Iraq in 2003 and Libya in 2011. But 'first strike' wars are criminal.

    As for Germany, millions of helpless civilians were decimated via wholesale arial bombing campaigns. Hundreds of thousands of German women and children were burned alive in Dresden, in Hamberg, in Berlin and dozens of other cities. Entire families and communities were annihilated. This, too, was a holocaust. Many of these horrific crimes preceded Hitler's 'death camps'.

    During WWII, Jews were highly active and influential in Washington, NY, London, Paris and in the pro-war media. Just like now. Aviator and soldier, Charles Lindbergh, complained about this. So did Henry Ford. Even the Kennedy's.

    Zio-Washington's present course of action is wrong. Serial, pr0-Zionist wars must be halted. Washington's 'blank check' for Israel must be revoked. America must regain its sovereignty.

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  122. […] Average Joe Aren’t the Zionists screwing us already? […]

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  123. Art says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    are you seriously trying to attribute everything the western civilization has accomplished to christian faith? not despite of it?

    “are you seriously trying to attribute everything the western civilization has accomplished to christian faith? not despite of it?”

    Yes – I am saying that despite the priests and preachers and their exclusion and inclusion hate games – that Christianity has been a big plus for humanity.

    That plus comes in the form of the volitional Western Christian philosophy for living. This philosophy has little to do with God – it is a prescription for free living. It takes the form of a set of ideals to live by – it says – live with hope, respect life, seek the truth, forgive, love your neighbor as you love yourself, regardless of who your neighbor is. Aren’t those the ideals that drive Western culture?

    No one is perfect, but if we work towards these ideals 80% of the time – 80% of the time things will work out. The world does not need perfect, it needs better. Living out ideals does that.

    Have there been major failures – of course – tribal waring still churns our souls. But in the private world (the non-state world) Western life is steadily improving. As the state gains more power over its private citizens, things turn the other way. Force will never ever bring a better world.

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    I guess I disagree with you on a fundamental level. I understand the need for religion in the dark ages. when everything is shit, any semblance of order is a good thing. Why the hell would we need it now? the last few hundred years? in 2016 no less? are you saying you need the stupid bible to tell you not to kill or steal? If so, then we have a bigger problem on our hands as a min of 40% of the american population identified with your beliefs.

    it will soon be 2016. if you need the bible to lead your life, you might as well just end your self. If the entire western civilization truly depends the bible and adheres to it, what the hell have we been doing the last 25 years in the middle east?
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  124. @Art
    "are you seriously trying to attribute everything the western civilization has accomplished to christian faith? not despite of it?"

    Yes - I am saying that despite the priests and preachers and their exclusion and inclusion hate games – that Christianity has been a big plus for humanity.

    That plus comes in the form of the volitional Western Christian philosophy for living. This philosophy has little to do with God – it is a prescription for free living. It takes the form of a set of ideals to live by – it says – live with hope, respect life, seek the truth, forgive, love your neighbor as you love yourself, regardless of who your neighbor is. Aren't those the ideals that drive Western culture?

    No one is perfect, but if we work towards these ideals 80% of the time – 80% of the time things will work out. The world does not need perfect, it needs better. Living out ideals does that.

    Have there been major failures - of course – tribal waring still churns our souls. But in the private world (the non-state world) Western life is steadily improving. As the state gains more power over its private citizens, things turn the other way. Force will never ever bring a better world.

    I guess I disagree with you on a fundamental level. I understand the need for religion in the dark ages. when everything is shit, any semblance of order is a good thing. Why the hell would we need it now? the last few hundred years? in 2016 no less? are you saying you need the stupid bible to tell you not to kill or steal? If so, then we have a bigger problem on our hands as a min of 40% of the american population identified with your beliefs.

    it will soon be 2016. if you need the bible to lead your life, you might as well just end your self. If the entire western civilization truly depends the bible and adheres to it, what the hell have we been doing the last 25 years in the middle east?

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    it will soon be 2016. if you need the bible to lead your life, you might as well just end your self. If the entire western civilization truly depends the bible and adheres to it, what the hell have we been doing the last 25 years in the middle east?
     
    Oh great – now that the West has been more or less civilized – where life is respected and a measure of freedom has been attained, we can just dump what got us there. That makes sense – WRONG. We are doing that. and things are going into the toilet.

    I agree with you 100% if you are talking about the Old Testament – there is little, if any value in it – it is what we are living the last 65 years in the ME. The tribalness in the OT is abhorrent. The OT takes us deeper and deeper into hateful tribalism. The preachers who teach it, are being anti Christian.

    Loving your neighbor as you love yourself, regardless of who your neighbor is --- is the superior Christian way. Should we abandon that – don't we still need to hear that​?
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  125. alexander says:
    @Avery
    {If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination…which it was…how can the holocaust of Palestine …today…be no less so ?}

    How are the war crimes committed by the State of Israel against Palestinians remotely comparable to the Holocaust ?
    What the heck are you talking about ?
    Nazis systematically murdered 6 million (or so) Jews in an industrial scale, meticulously organized program.
    (amongst millions of other Untermenschen, e.g. Slavs)
    Jews came close to being wiped out from the face of the Earth.
    How may Palestinians has the state of Israel killed and murdered since its founding?
    25,000 ?
    30,000 max ?
    The population of the Palestinian Territories (W. Bank and Gaza) is about 4.5 million.
    In 1970 it was about 1 million.
    Population of both has been growing handsomely.
    Yes: from 1970 to 2015 population of PT grew from 1 million to 4.5 million.
    What holocaust are you talking about.

    Apartheid practices by Israel ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Land theft ? Yes.
    Murder ? Yes.
    Ethnic cleansing ? Yes.
    War crimes ? Yes.

    Holocaust ? Give me a break.
    Do you even know the meaning of the word ?

    Hi Avery,

    Israel has no peace plan, none that I have seen, but if you know of one, please oblige me.

    Israel has made no indications to anyone that it plans to recognize Palestine at all,ever.

    The last leader who seemed to be genuine about recognizing Palestine,Yitzhak Rabin, was exterminated by a Jewish terrorist for suggesting it.

    Rather It seems Israel is very interested in consuming” all” the Palestinian territories, and using as much of the land and resources it can for itself.

    It seems Israel wants to reclaim all of “Judea and Samaria” as part of its greater nation state, in the process remaindering Palestine to the dust bin of history.

    In subsuming all the territory from river to the sea, Israel will exterminate Palestine as an viable national entity.

    That, Mr Avery, can only be defined as the Holocaust of Palestine.

    How would you define it? Liquidate? erase? disintegrate ? eradicate?

    I think Israel will deal with the “demographic threat of a potential Palestinian majority within a democratic “Greater Israel” through expulsion and extermination. I think Israel will try to have Jordan and Egypt absorb massive numbers of Palestinians, to perhaps minimize the amount of extermination that is required for a substantive Jewish majority in the newly expanded “greater Israel”.

    I think Israel is doing everything in its power to initiate a new Intifada, right now, as a pretext to exterminate Palestinians in massive numbers.

    I think Israel would like to Initiate a world war between the United States and Iran within the next decade, and use that as a pretext to exterminate Palestinians in massive numbers.

    I think Israel has a thirty year time horizon for the completion of the holocaust of Palestine, it may take longer, I cannot be sure.

    If you feel I am wrong about this,please illuminate me as to what plans Israel has for Palestine, or for that matter what plans Israel has for Peace.

    At the moment, I see none.

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    Some of your words are a bit loose. "Exterminate in massive numbers". How could a new intifada lead to anything remotely describable as an extermination? One per cent of that 4.5 million would be 45,000. Is it even thinkable (and it's hardly an exterminatory percentage) - taking into account the decisions that would have to be taken on both sides?

    Also you seem to be unaware of the (typically Jewish?) forcefully expressed differences of opinion amongst Israelis. Certainly there are some who would like to push policy and practice towards enlarging Israel at Palestinian expensive and no doubt many more that would go along with it passively. But you can take it that Israeli governments from time to time will have a range of options and preferences that they keep in mind and occasionally push for depending on opportunity and cost. All will share the priority of Israel's survival as a Jewish state since the overwhelming majority of Jewish Israeli voters would regard both loss in war and a single state solution where Arabs might become a majority as totally unacceptable. Whatever we think that's standard ME thinking.

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  126. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Avery
    {If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination…which it was…how can the holocaust of Palestine …today…be no less so ?}

    How are the war crimes committed by the State of Israel against Palestinians remotely comparable to the Holocaust ?
    What the heck are you talking about ?
    Nazis systematically murdered 6 million (or so) Jews in an industrial scale, meticulously organized program.
    (amongst millions of other Untermenschen, e.g. Slavs)
    Jews came close to being wiped out from the face of the Earth.
    How may Palestinians has the state of Israel killed and murdered since its founding?
    25,000 ?
    30,000 max ?
    The population of the Palestinian Territories (W. Bank and Gaza) is about 4.5 million.
    In 1970 it was about 1 million.
    Population of both has been growing handsomely.
    Yes: from 1970 to 2015 population of PT grew from 1 million to 4.5 million.
    What holocaust are you talking about.

    Apartheid practices by Israel ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Land theft ? Yes.
    Murder ? Yes.
    Ethnic cleansing ? Yes.
    War crimes ? Yes.

    Holocaust ? Give me a break.
    Do you even know the meaning of the word ?

    Apartheid practices by Israel ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Land theft ? Yes.
    Murder ? Yes.
    Ethnic cleansing ? Yes.
    War crimes ? Yes.

    Holocaust ? Give me a break.

    Well as long as they’re only guilty of a few little peccadilloes like apartheid, atrocities, land theft, murder, ethnic cleansing and war crimes that’s OK then. Such minor blemishes are hardly worth mentioning.

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  127. Old Jew says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Well it certainly wasn't a Khazar ancestor which lost that German "p". Or maybe I could adopt the wilful complicator mode of the conspiracy theorist and say that it was because of the illiteracy or foreignness of the Khazars that they took to German words with an axe.

    Yiddish is spelled with Hebrew letters. In Hebrew the consonant “Pey” is pronounced P or F pending on where it is located in the written word.

    To transcribe the German “Pferd” as Pey, Phey, Ayin, Reysh, Dalet goes against the spirit of Hebrew..

    To have two Pey one after another at the beginning of a word? Nah!

    An Ivrit speaker, may read your spelling of Horse as Perd not Ferd.

    sf

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    Thanks I love it. Cheerful in the spirit of a Merry Christmas:)

    On words... My south slav bookkeeper was complaining about the time wasted in writing Happy New Year after Merry Christmas so I explained that there was an old-fashioned English class distinction involved. My mother had met lots of upper class English girls in the 1920s so passed on the (Nancy Miford approved) preference for "Happy Christmas" to me. Googling got me more or less confirmatory information - though Merry Christmas (with its overtones of drunken revelry dates back to the 16th century). Then I came across two over 30s men of English upper middle class background who both said Happy Christmas whereas a younger one admitted that his usage was probably that of the the standard Christmas Card. I'm not sure what my English fellow atheist, fellow grandfather, Jewish friend and I will say to each other on the telephone tomorrow:)
    , @Sam Shama
    Anachnu lo mevinim ma ze 'perd', raq 'soos'
    ve arbe ben notsrim she medaberim po yesh le'hem bayot
    al tedaberu arbe it am

    Wiz of Oz - hu ben adam chacham
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  128. Svigor says:

    You lost me because not only am I not an anti-Zionist leftist, but I assumed most readers on this site are acutely aware of the scope of Jewish power and influence in America and how they’ve co-opted groups such as the dispensationalist Christians/fundamentalists/evangelicals to become their enablers along with many politicians.

    Nevertheless, I will continue to attack said gentile enablers of Jewish power.

    I stand corrected. ‘Course that’s only because I dragged it out of you…

    Nazis systematically murdered 6 million (or so) Jews in an industrial scale, meticulously organized program.

    Nonsense, really. Hutus outpaced the Nazis by a wide margin using mostly machetes. In terms of efficiency, scale, and organization, the “Final Solution” was a joke.

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  129. @Bardon Kaldian
    The Iraq & Afghan wars were fought on multiple levels, and Israeli component was just one among many others (more important included Haliburton and British Petroleum); Obama's "war on Syria" has more to do with the blockade of Russian Fleet in Syrian ports & is simply a mess many hubristic politicians wade off into frequently; most money sent to Israel is from military-industrial complex that wants to sell even more military equipment to rich Arab Gulf countries- no Israeli lobby is as strong as are US military equipment producers; "special relations" are not that special. Real special relations are with those countries belonging to the Anglosphere (five eyes), where Israel is still not permitted to enter.

    Most of the rest is just an unsubstantiated rant, peppered with gory Frankenstein details I'm well acquainted with from Serbian propaganda during 1990s. You people better try to get some grip on real history's why & hows: read Raymond Aron, Zbig Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, the 1st book by William Engdahl (the rest is paranoia), ...

    Open your eyes and tell me what you see beside polyps.

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  130. @joe webb
    "I know Trump is a joker, and a great nation deserves someone better than the likes of him,"

    Prissy, my dear child, my naughty daughter with a potty mouth. I have changed my mind about just about everything regarding the ladies, the loopy ladies. Nothing is ever Enough, nothing is good enough for the Princess. Blemish is the game, one little blemish and NO!

    Now what every princess (or the occasional prince) needs to know is that throwing tantrums, particularly those with Big Words in them, only signals people that , in this case, they got a spoiled child in their midst who needs a time out, or even standing in the corner, which seems to have gone out of fashion, but always worked for me, although i rarely got it, because it communicates very well that one has hit the wall, usually of one's narcissism, pride, and insolence to just about everybody.

    Nothing is good enough. All or Nothing...that is the female negotiating position. Sort of like Hillary, the Bitch of all bitches in the national memory. Even now despised by a large portion of females themselves.

    Trump is the Only persona we got, and you trash him cuz he plays the game to some degree to get elected. You cannot wait until he is elected ....you are really an amateur tyrnant, the worst kind, because a successful tyrant at least negotiates with his tribe and supporters, and of course dissembles to his Enemies. But you will not even tolerate that ..your holiness.

    Women should never have gotten the vote. bBecause of hysterics like yourself

    Joe Webb

    C’mon Joe, The Priss Factory has a gift. A rare gift that cuts right through bullshit and calls it like it is in a way very few others can or do. I’ve copied some Priss comments and forwarded them to a prim little church lady I know, seriously. She’s shocked but finds “a lot of truth in it”.

    If The Donald ever becomes President it will indicate just how awful things actually are “in the land of the free and the home of the brave” but I do agree Clinton will be a disaster. So very sad.

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    He does have a gift Mr Duke, can't really argue with that,

    But he is overcome with an acute case of "ethnicism"...perceiving the world, events, occurrences and interactions through the lens of "ethnic" groups, gender groups, "sex" groups and the like.....which, for arguments sake, has some" weight", as all "gifted "arguments do.......but in the end , he falls trap into the self same space as his protagonists.......and makes victim of us all , by surrendering the rights of the"individual "..and its most sacred freedom- to" become" what it chooses...to the banal and cloistered realm of its gender/ ethnicity.


    Kinda sad...no?
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  131. @Avery
    {If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination…which it was…how can the holocaust of Palestine …today…be no less so ?}

    How are the war crimes committed by the State of Israel against Palestinians remotely comparable to the Holocaust ?
    What the heck are you talking about ?
    Nazis systematically murdered 6 million (or so) Jews in an industrial scale, meticulously organized program.
    (amongst millions of other Untermenschen, e.g. Slavs)
    Jews came close to being wiped out from the face of the Earth.
    How may Palestinians has the state of Israel killed and murdered since its founding?
    25,000 ?
    30,000 max ?
    The population of the Palestinian Territories (W. Bank and Gaza) is about 4.5 million.
    In 1970 it was about 1 million.
    Population of both has been growing handsomely.
    Yes: from 1970 to 2015 population of PT grew from 1 million to 4.5 million.
    What holocaust are you talking about.

    Apartheid practices by Israel ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Land theft ? Yes.
    Murder ? Yes.
    Ethnic cleansing ? Yes.
    War crimes ? Yes.

    Holocaust ? Give me a break.
    Do you even know the meaning of the word ?

    Doesn’t the word Holocaust mean Burnt Offering? Hasn’t white phosphorous been used on civilians in Gaza? Pretty nasty burns there. The 25 – 30 thousand numbers you toss out like it’s insignificant but they are people too. No doubt the numbers differ but the morality?

    On the subject of numbers, somewhere between 50 and 60 million people were killed in WWII, many of them innocents. It was a tragedy in every sense but why does the number 6 million keep coming up and rarely the number 60 million?

    There are other similarities too… collective punishments for one. Just wrong!

    One could make the argument that the term Chosen People isn’t very far adrift from Master Race.

    I don’t think opinion towards Jews in general is helped when people defend the indefensible when it comes to Israel.

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    Don’t conflate everything.
    Go back and read my post again: where did I say anything about “Chosen People”.
    I meticulously listed the crimes committed by the State of Israel: a Jewish state.

    { The 25 – 30 thousand numbers you toss out like it’s insignificant but they are people too.}

    The 25K-30K was not tossed out. It is an accurate estimate of Palestinians killed and murdered by Israel since its founding. It was written in context to contrast it with the inaccurate, hyperbolic use of the word 'Holocasut' in that context.

    The word ‘Holocaust’ (capitalized) has come to describe the Genocide of Jews at the hands of Nazis. ['holocaust' (lower case) holókaustos: hólos, "whole" and kaustós, "burnt"]
    Jews use it instead of the technical term ‘Genocide’ to keep it separate from other genocides. They consider their Genocide unique: I don’t (I am Armenian). But that’s the word they use.
    When everything is labeled a ‘Holocaust’ or ‘Genocide’, then nothing is.

    { On the subject of numbers, somewhere between 50 and 60 million people were killed in WWII, many of them innocents. It was a tragedy in every sense but why does the number 6 million keep coming up and rarely the number 60 million?}

    Quite correct. 50-60 million human beings were killed, murdered, exterminated, starved to death,….
    USSR lost about 18 million civilians: ~9 million as result of direct military action, and ~9 million indirectly (famine, disease,..).
    Overwhelming majority of those 18 million killed and murdered were Slavs. (Soviet Union was mostly Slavic people)
    Hitler openly declared his intention to wipe out the inhabitants of the lands he intended for his Lebensraum.
    So why don’t Slavs constantly remind people about those 18 million mostly Slavic civilians killed and murdered by Nazis ?
    I have no idea: but is it the fault of Jews that they do for their own ?
    There is a party. Lots of kids. Your kid too. Parents just outside. Then there is a scream. You rush inside. Whose kid are you rushing to save: yours or somebody else’s ?

    Note: the technical, legal term ‘Genocide’ was coined after WW2 by a Polish Jew, Dr. Raphael Lemkin.

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  132. @Old Jew
    Yiddish is spelled with Hebrew letters. In Hebrew the consonant "Pey" is pronounced P or F pending on where it is located in the written word.

    To transcribe the German "Pferd" as Pey, Phey, Ayin, Reysh, Dalet goes against the spirit of Hebrew..

    To have two Pey one after another at the beginning of a word? Nah!

    An Ivrit speaker, may read your spelling of Horse as Perd not Ferd.

    sf

    Thanks I love it. Cheerful in the spirit of a Merry Christmas:)

    On words… My south slav bookkeeper was complaining about the time wasted in writing Happy New Year after Merry Christmas so I explained that there was an old-fashioned English class distinction involved. My mother had met lots of upper class English girls in the 1920s so passed on the (Nancy Miford approved) preference for “Happy Christmas” to me. Googling got me more or less confirmatory information – though Merry Christmas (with its overtones of drunken revelry dates back to the 16th century). Then I came across two over 30s men of English upper middle class background who both said Happy Christmas whereas a younger one admitted that his usage was probably that of the the standard Christmas Card. I’m not sure what my English fellow atheist, fellow grandfather, Jewish friend and I will say to each other on the telephone tomorrow:)

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    [I’m not sure what my English fellow atheist, fellow grandfather, Jewish friend and I will say to each other on the telephone tomorrow:)]

    Hi Wiz,
    well in the spirit of the season and depending entirely on whether the lafite verticals agreed with you :-) , possibly consider "Happy Christmas and Hanukka Sameach!"

    cheers
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  133. @alexander
    Hi Avery,

    Israel has no peace plan, none that I have seen, but if you know of one, please oblige me.

    Israel has made no indications to anyone that it plans to recognize Palestine at all,ever.

    The last leader who seemed to be genuine about recognizing Palestine,Yitzhak Rabin, was exterminated by a Jewish terrorist for suggesting it.

    Rather It seems Israel is very interested in consuming" all" the Palestinian territories, and using as much of the land and resources it can for itself.

    It seems Israel wants to reclaim all of "Judea and Samaria" as part of its greater nation state, in the process remaindering Palestine to the dust bin of history.

    In subsuming all the territory from river to the sea, Israel will exterminate Palestine as an viable national entity.

    That, Mr Avery, can only be defined as the Holocaust of Palestine.

    How would you define it? Liquidate? erase? disintegrate ? eradicate?

    I think Israel will deal with the "demographic threat of a potential Palestinian majority within a democratic "Greater Israel" through expulsion and extermination. I think Israel will try to have Jordan and Egypt absorb massive numbers of Palestinians, to perhaps minimize the amount of extermination that is required for a substantive Jewish majority in the newly expanded "greater Israel".

    I think Israel is doing everything in its power to initiate a new Intifada, right now, as a pretext to exterminate Palestinians in massive numbers.

    I think Israel would like to Initiate a world war between the United States and Iran within the next decade, and use that as a pretext to exterminate Palestinians in massive numbers.

    I think Israel has a thirty year time horizon for the completion of the holocaust of Palestine, it may take longer, I cannot be sure.

    If you feel I am wrong about this,please illuminate me as to what plans Israel has for Palestine, or for that matter what plans Israel has for Peace.

    At the moment, I see none.

    Some of your words are a bit loose. “Exterminate in massive numbers”. How could a new intifada lead to anything remotely describable as an extermination? One per cent of that 4.5 million would be 45,000. Is it even thinkable (and it’s hardly an exterminatory percentage) – taking into account the decisions that would have to be taken on both sides?

    Also you seem to be unaware of the (typically Jewish?) forcefully expressed differences of opinion amongst Israelis. Certainly there are some who would like to push policy and practice towards enlarging Israel at Palestinian expensive and no doubt many more that would go along with it passively. But you can take it that Israeli governments from time to time will have a range of options and preferences that they keep in mind and occasionally push for depending on opportunity and cost. All will share the priority of Israel’s survival as a Jewish state since the overwhelming majority of Jewish Israeli voters would regard both loss in war and a single state solution where Arabs might become a majority as totally unacceptable. Whatever we think that’s standard ME thinking.

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  134. alexander says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    You are saying I think that Israel needs to be seen by the big players in the world to have a peace plan if it is not to be regarded as a pariah that, in the end, cannot count on support for its survival if any hostile power in the ME becomes powerful enough to defeat it.

    Or are you just saying that morally Israel ought to be putting forward proposals for a peace agreement in good faith (that is not one that is designed to fail) even if it is vanishingly unlikely that all the necessary parties will accept? Who btw do you think are the necessary parties?

    I think Israel should accept the borders of the state in which it is recognized by the majority of the world.
    I think the Palestinian refugees, who were expelled (or forced to flee) from their homes in what is now “Israel “..should give up their right of return, but they should be compensated for doing so.
    they should be allowed to settle in Palestine, not Israel.

    I think if Israel wants to retain the use of the Golan heights, and it is recognized as “Syrian sovereign territory” by the whole world , then it should offer to “lease’ the land from Syria, on a hundred year basis…much like Hong Kong was leased to the Brits.

    I think if Israel wishes to build a New Solomon’s Temple”, that is fine, but why does it have to be built on the dome of the rock ? I think Israel would be better served to pick a new spot for it, and accept a percentage of the tourist income from Palestine for all the Muslims that wish to visit the Al-Aqsa Mosque every year.

    I think Israel should trade its desalinization technology for a percentage of the gas reserves owned by Gaza within Gaza’s territorial waters. Gaza gets clean water and Israel gets cheap gas.

    I think settlers who wish to live in what was once Judea and Samaria, should be entitled to do so..but they need to find a Palestinian who wishes to sell his property and buy it..But if the Palestinian does not wish to sell it…he should not have to. End of story.

    I think all the illegal settlement blocks beyond the green line should be abandoned, or integrated into Palestine,of which Settlers could retain dual citizenship…they could be Israeli citizens but pay property taxes to Palestine. if Israel wishes to retain large blocks as part of Israel, they should offer to purchase the land from Palestine.

    I think the enormous income and good will from entering into a durable peace deal would overwhelm Israel with positive energy…..like they have never seen or felt before..Jerusalem would be swarming with tourists….bursting in fact…..It would be a very exciting time for Israel and the world.

    Mr Netanyahu is always talking about “security”…”security”….what better security could Israel have than being at peace with its neighbors ?

    It could be a new golden age of peace and prosperity …..What would that feel like ?

    Aren’t you curious to find out ?

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    Dear Alexander,

    Prophetic Image. great vision.

    If possible try to visit Israel and the West Bank.

    I did.
    Here are some observations:

    Most of the land in what you call Palestine was owned by the state (Ottoman Empire, then British Empire, then Jordan, then Israel.

    The preponderance of Settlements are on these state lands.

    There a few case where Palestinian Arabs claim some settlement land as private property. It is mostly custom. Few can produce Title to these lands.

    You may notice: The preponderance (perhaps all) settlements are on the hill tops.

    The Arab villages are deep in the valleys. In the valleys there is naturally flowing spring water.

    The hill are barren. Settlement of hill tops became possible, after pumping (with electricity
    driven pumps) became available. That means modern people. Jews.

    The Arab villages date to earlier more pastoral eras. Before electricity. Very bucolic. ...and ecological..[ as long the population does not grow in leaps and bounds].

    So the settlers and Arabs are not stepping on each others toes. As long as settlers work only in their own local industries, or work in Israel and use the settlement as inexpensive housing there is no conflict.

    Conflict is caused by grazing lands. Arabs (in way smaller numbers than today) had their sheep grazing on state lands in Ottoman times. Settlers may want this land for their herds. After all they are taxpayers, (the Palestinians are not) so why shall they give priority to the Arabs.

    This the recipe for stone throwing, arson, fiery political statements, etc..

    I do not have a solution to this quagmire. nevertheless I wish your vision to come true.

    sf
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  135. Give peace a change.
    Yankee, go home.

    US-citizens are obliged to the world to end this US-made-mess.
    The US-military must be stopped.
    Trump is the only hope.

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  136. @Astuteobservor II
    are you seriously trying to attribute everything the western civilization has accomplished to christian faith? not despite of it?

    Indeed he is. Faith provided a cohesion, provided rules. Faith, when observed, kept the women in their place. Faith demanded men behave as men. It provoked standards and where standards failed, punishment. A framework of basic morality under which great things happen, inventions and advancement are supported.

    When faith fails, society loses a point of cohesion, the morals fly off in all directions, loyalties die, the women and depravity are elevated. When a society’s faith fails, women are permitted to rise to their level of incompetence, softening and weakening the fabric of the nation. Who could argue this? The faith dies, women are elevated, the men dispensed with, the birthrate falls, and stronger forces move in to fill the vacuum of weakness provided by the women. Gee, Europe is a case in good point. Further, the women in power, given their weakness, make terrible decisions, see:Merkle.

    Who could argue the loss of faith in the United States, the abject rejection of faith by the women, who have been elevated, “liberated” to ruin the dialog in the legislatures, the board rooms, the House and Senate of the United States, reducing them to a screeching, toxic catfighting, petty revenge-fest. Loss of faith and the elevation of the women here in the U.S. also led to low birth rates. From there flows the vacuum of weakness into which flows the stronger, more faithful Hispanics and now, Muslims from various countries.

    And both groups maintain two binding, common characteristics: 1) Faith; 2)They haven’t elevated the women; the women are largely breeder stock and maintainers of home and hearth.

    Faith isn’t everything, but the strength of your culture, the strength of your men is maintained in strong cultures by the rules and laws of your faith in a higher power to which your society deems itself accountable to. And the Faith has rules regarding the women, this is why it is so important for women’s groups and feminism at-large to dispense with the Faith as quickly as possible. Where a very few men still maintain a Christian houshold, feminism infects even that. Religious figures of the past knew a society declines when you allow woman to rise above her core competencies. It’s out there to see in the weakening societies and it is there to see in the societies on the march.

    Faith. It’s not everything in and of itself, but where observed, from faith flows the strength of a society.

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  137. Avery says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Doesn't the word Holocaust mean Burnt Offering? Hasn't white phosphorous been used on civilians in Gaza? Pretty nasty burns there. The 25 - 30 thousand numbers you toss out like it's insignificant but they are people too. No doubt the numbers differ but the morality?

    On the subject of numbers, somewhere between 50 and 60 million people were killed in WWII, many of them innocents. It was a tragedy in every sense but why does the number 6 million keep coming up and rarely the number 60 million?

    There are other similarities too… collective punishments for one. Just wrong!

    One could make the argument that the term Chosen People isn't very far adrift from Master Race.

    I don't think opinion towards Jews in general is helped when people defend the indefensible when it comes to Israel.

    Don’t conflate everything.
    Go back and read my post again: where did I say anything about “Chosen People”.
    I meticulously listed the crimes committed by the State of Israel: a Jewish state.

    { The 25 – 30 thousand numbers you toss out like it’s insignificant but they are people too.}

    The 25K-30K was not tossed out. It is an accurate estimate of Palestinians killed and murdered by Israel since its founding. It was written in context to contrast it with the inaccurate, hyperbolic use of the word ‘Holocasut’ in that context.

    The word ‘Holocaust’ (capitalized) has come to describe the Genocide of Jews at the hands of Nazis. ['holocaust' (lower case) holókaustos: hólos, "whole" and kaustós, "burnt"]
    Jews use it instead of the technical term ‘Genocide’ to keep it separate from other genocides. They consider their Genocide unique: I don’t (I am Armenian). But that’s the word they use.
    When everything is labeled a ‘Holocaust’ or ‘Genocide’, then nothing is.

    { On the subject of numbers, somewhere between 50 and 60 million people were killed in WWII, many of them innocents. It was a tragedy in every sense but why does the number 6 million keep coming up and rarely the number 60 million?}

    Quite correct. 50-60 million human beings were killed, murdered, exterminated, starved to death,….
    USSR lost about 18 million civilians: ~9 million as result of direct military action, and ~9 million indirectly (famine, disease,..).
    Overwhelming majority of those 18 million killed and murdered were Slavs. (Soviet Union was mostly Slavic people)
    Hitler openly declared his intention to wipe out the inhabitants of the lands he intended for his Lebensraum.
    So why don’t Slavs constantly remind people about those 18 million mostly Slavic civilians killed and murdered by Nazis ?
    I have no idea: but is it the fault of Jews that they do for their own ?
    There is a party. Lots of kids. Your kid too. Parents just outside. Then there is a scream. You rush inside. Whose kid are you rushing to save: yours or somebody else’s ?

    Note: the technical, legal term ‘Genocide’ was coined after WW2 by a Polish Jew, Dr. Raphael Lemkin.

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  138. Art says:
    @Astuteobservor II
    I guess I disagree with you on a fundamental level. I understand the need for religion in the dark ages. when everything is shit, any semblance of order is a good thing. Why the hell would we need it now? the last few hundred years? in 2016 no less? are you saying you need the stupid bible to tell you not to kill or steal? If so, then we have a bigger problem on our hands as a min of 40% of the american population identified with your beliefs.

    it will soon be 2016. if you need the bible to lead your life, you might as well just end your self. If the entire western civilization truly depends the bible and adheres to it, what the hell have we been doing the last 25 years in the middle east?

    it will soon be 2016. if you need the bible to lead your life, you might as well just end your self. If the entire western civilization truly depends the bible and adheres to it, what the hell have we been doing the last 25 years in the middle east?

    Oh great – now that the West has been more or less civilized – where life is respected and a measure of freedom has been attained, we can just dump what got us there. That makes sense – WRONG. We are doing that. and things are going into the toilet.

    I agree with you 100% if you are talking about the Old Testament – there is little, if any value in it – it is what we are living the last 65 years in the ME. The tribalness in the OT is abhorrent. The OT takes us deeper and deeper into hateful tribalism. The preachers who teach it, are being anti Christian.

    Loving your neighbor as you love yourself, regardless of who your neighbor is — is the superior Christian way. Should we abandon that – don’t we still need to hear that​?

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    now that the West has been more or less civilized – where life is respected and a measure of freedom has been attained, we can just dump what got us there. That makes sense – WRONG. We are doing that. and things are going into the toilet.
     
    It is the Constitution not the Bible that has gotten us to the greatness of our past. It is the corrupting of our politics and no longer following the Constitution that is causing our nation to be flushed down the toilet currently, unless we stop it. And if you are going to say that the Constitution is rooted in the Bible, well then I think that there are a quite a few Greek Philosophers that would say that you are looking at a branch and calling it the root. I think even Plato would say that his teachings were influenced and so even Greek Philosophy isn't the root. It is rooted in Universal Truths. If you are going to say that it is rooted in anything(only because it is the earliest proof we have), I would say that it is rooted in the Code of Hammurabi.

    It is our moving away from the Constitution, which codify the Declaration's Universal Truths of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, that is our problem. Not our moving away from the Bible.

    And on that note, Merry Christmas... oops I mean Merry Christmas AND Happy Holidays EVERYBODY... oops again! I almost forgot, and to Jehovahs Witnesses... I guess, Happy Vacation from Work ;)

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  139. Sam Shama says:
    @Old Jew
    Yiddish is spelled with Hebrew letters. In Hebrew the consonant "Pey" is pronounced P or F pending on where it is located in the written word.

    To transcribe the German "Pferd" as Pey, Phey, Ayin, Reysh, Dalet goes against the spirit of Hebrew..

    To have two Pey one after another at the beginning of a word? Nah!

    An Ivrit speaker, may read your spelling of Horse as Perd not Ferd.

    sf

    Anachnu lo mevinim ma ze ‘perd’, raq ‘soos’
    ve arbe ben notsrim she medaberim po yesh le’hem bayot
    al tedaberu arbe it am

    Wiz of Oz – hu ben adam chacham

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    Hevanti! (understood). Will do.
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  140. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Thanks I love it. Cheerful in the spirit of a Merry Christmas:)

    On words... My south slav bookkeeper was complaining about the time wasted in writing Happy New Year after Merry Christmas so I explained that there was an old-fashioned English class distinction involved. My mother had met lots of upper class English girls in the 1920s so passed on the (Nancy Miford approved) preference for "Happy Christmas" to me. Googling got me more or less confirmatory information - though Merry Christmas (with its overtones of drunken revelry dates back to the 16th century). Then I came across two over 30s men of English upper middle class background who both said Happy Christmas whereas a younger one admitted that his usage was probably that of the the standard Christmas Card. I'm not sure what my English fellow atheist, fellow grandfather, Jewish friend and I will say to each other on the telephone tomorrow:)

    [I’m not sure what my English fellow atheist, fellow grandfather, Jewish friend and I will say to each other on the telephone tomorrow:)]

    Hi Wiz,
    well in the spirit of the season and depending entirely on whether the lafite verticals agreed with you :-) , possibly consider “Happy Christmas and Hanukka Sameach!”

    cheers

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  141. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Art

    it will soon be 2016. if you need the bible to lead your life, you might as well just end your self. If the entire western civilization truly depends the bible and adheres to it, what the hell have we been doing the last 25 years in the middle east?
     
    Oh great – now that the West has been more or less civilized – where life is respected and a measure of freedom has been attained, we can just dump what got us there. That makes sense – WRONG. We are doing that. and things are going into the toilet.

    I agree with you 100% if you are talking about the Old Testament – there is little, if any value in it – it is what we are living the last 65 years in the ME. The tribalness in the OT is abhorrent. The OT takes us deeper and deeper into hateful tribalism. The preachers who teach it, are being anti Christian.

    Loving your neighbor as you love yourself, regardless of who your neighbor is --- is the superior Christian way. Should we abandon that – don't we still need to hear that​?

    now that the West has been more or less civilized – where life is respected and a measure of freedom has been attained, we can just dump what got us there. That makes sense – WRONG. We are doing that. and things are going into the toilet.

    It is the Constitution not the Bible that has gotten us to the greatness of our past. It is the corrupting of our politics and no longer following the Constitution that is causing our nation to be flushed down the toilet currently, unless we stop it. And if you are going to say that the Constitution is rooted in the Bible, well then I think that there are a quite a few Greek Philosophers that would say that you are looking at a branch and calling it the root. I think even Plato would say that his teachings were influenced and so even Greek Philosophy isn’t the root. It is rooted in Universal Truths. If you are going to say that it is rooted in anything(only because it is the earliest proof we have), I would say that it is rooted in the Code of Hammurabi.

    It is our moving away from the Constitution, which codify the Declaration’s Universal Truths of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, that is our problem. Not our moving away from the Bible.

    And on that note, Merry Christmas… oops I mean Merry Christmas AND Happy Holidays EVERYBODY… oops again! I almost forgot, and to Jehovahs Witnesses… I guess, Happy Vacation from Work ;)

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    Good stuff through & through Jr.

    For those Christians who doubt the wisdom of our forefathers demand religion play no role in the affairs of state, I recommend...

    http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2015/12/rwanda-and-evils-of-politicized.html

    ...by a conservative Christian who actually 'gets it' insofar as the dangers of politicized religion.
    , @Art
    "It is the Constitution not the Bible that has gotten us to the greatness of our past"

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
     
    That statement is straight out of Christian philosophy. It is a Christian statement – period. It is not Jewish, it is not Muslim, it is not Hindi, it is not Confusion, and it is not Buddhist

    Every great movement or religion has two aspects to it – the first aspect is about how the individual should relate to a deity – God. The second aspect of each religion is how we as individuals should relate to each other. Each religion has a philosophy for living with each other.

    That statement in the Declaration of Independence is Christian philosophy 101.

    You do not have to be a religious Christian to live that statement or philosophy. (Although it helps.)
    , @geokat62

    I think that there are a quite a few Greek Philosophers that would say that you are looking at a branch and calling it the root. I think even Plato would say that his teachings were influenced and so even Greek Philosophy isn’t the root. It is rooted in Universal Truths.
     
    Hi, Jr. Have you ever had the opportunity to read Rebecca Goldstein's, “Plato at the Googleplex”? I highly recommend it. Here's an excerpt:

    ... the most famous slogan of philosophy emerges: the unexamined life is not worth living. Some... might bristle at a sensed elitism. But Socrates’ statement is only elitist if one assumes that only the few have it in them to examine their lives. The democracy that became again, in the eighteenth century, the most daring political experiment on earth embodies the hope that we many have it in us as well. Instead of an indictment of his city’s daring experiment in democracy, Socrates’ statement can be read as putting forth the stringent condition that alone would allow democracy to flourish. Perhaps Plato did eventually come to a viewpoint that excluded the many from being capable of thinking through their lives in the light of the True-the Beautiful-the Good; but the entire life of Socrates, including that day of his trial as it’s presented by Plato, is evidence of the fact that Socrates continued to cling to hopes for us many.
     
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  142. alexander says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    C'mon Joe, The Priss Factory has a gift. A rare gift that cuts right through bullshit and calls it like it is in a way very few others can or do. I've copied some Priss comments and forwarded them to a prim little church lady I know, seriously. She's shocked but finds "a lot of truth in it".

    If The Donald ever becomes President it will indicate just how awful things actually are "in the land of the free and the home of the brave" but I do agree Clinton will be a disaster. So very sad.

    He does have a gift Mr Duke, can’t really argue with that,

    But he is overcome with an acute case of “ethnicism”…perceiving the world, events, occurrences and interactions through the lens of “ethnic” groups, gender groups, “sex” groups and the like…..which, for arguments sake, has some” weight”, as all “gifted “arguments do…….but in the end , he falls trap into the self same space as his protagonists…….and makes victim of us all , by surrendering the rights of the”individual “..and its most sacred freedom- to” become” what it chooses…to the banal and cloistered realm of its gender/ ethnicity.

    Kinda sad…no?

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  143. Mark Green says: • Website
    @Avery
    {If the Holocaust of Jews in Nazi Germany was an abomination…which it was…how can the holocaust of Palestine …today…be no less so ?}

    How are the war crimes committed by the State of Israel against Palestinians remotely comparable to the Holocaust ?
    What the heck are you talking about ?
    Nazis systematically murdered 6 million (or so) Jews in an industrial scale, meticulously organized program.
    (amongst millions of other Untermenschen, e.g. Slavs)
    Jews came close to being wiped out from the face of the Earth.
    How may Palestinians has the state of Israel killed and murdered since its founding?
    25,000 ?
    30,000 max ?
    The population of the Palestinian Territories (W. Bank and Gaza) is about 4.5 million.
    In 1970 it was about 1 million.
    Population of both has been growing handsomely.
    Yes: from 1970 to 2015 population of PT grew from 1 million to 4.5 million.
    What holocaust are you talking about.

    Apartheid practices by Israel ? Yes.
    Atrocities ? Yes.
    Land theft ? Yes.
    Murder ? Yes.
    Ethnic cleansing ? Yes.
    War crimes ? Yes.

    Holocaust ? Give me a break.
    Do you even know the meaning of the word ?

    Actually, the case can be made that the systematic annihilation of Germans by munitions and fire during WWII was as inhumane (or nearly so) as the alleged ‘gassing’ and murder of ‘six million Jews’.

    The death and suffering on all sides was staggering. But as many as 12 million Germans died during the War. Therefore, it’s unbalanced to focus only on just one group’s losses. After all, no fewer than 40 million humans perished in this war (perhaps more). And the alleged number of Jewish causalities remains forensically unsubstantiated.

    The actual body-count in the camps was (though horrific) relatively small when compared to the vast and visible destruction of German cities and towns over five years of continuous allied bombing, invasion and warfare.

    Further, following WWII, the Red Cross estimated one million Jewish deaths in the camps.

    So the claim of six million Jews were deliberately ‘murdered’ while being held captive by Germany might be a gross and politicized exaggeration. After all, many concentration camp victims died of disease, starvation and malnutrition towards the war’s end. And there was never a census of Jews in Europe before WWII or immediately after.

    Nevertheless, just doubting the ‘official’ number of Jewish deaths in WWII is now a criminal offense in much of the Western world, including Canada. A criminal offense.

    Indeed, it’s ‘Holocaust Denial’ that is now treated like one of the world’s Great Crises. This is absurd. But revealing. It reminds us again of who dominates TV, ‘mainstream’ news and opinion, Hollywood, publishing, and our political universe.

    Today, vast speech restrictions have been implemented in most of Europe to combat ‘hate speech’. Yet there are no restrictions on advocating ‘preemptive’ war. Who benefits?

    Anti Fee Speech laws (strategic censorship) exist in some 18 Western countries. They also criminalize ‘Holocaust Denial’ and ‘anti-Semitism’.

    As for the actual number of Jewish dead in WWII, ‘facts’ should require no legal protection. Should we arrest ‘creationists’ for denying evolution? Absurd.

    Let science and scholarship settle these arguments.

    Therefore, Jewish intolerance of dissent concerning this one vital ‘fact’ of WWII is highly suspicious. It’s clear that Israel needs ‘The Holocaust’ to justify its Mideast colonizati0n since ‘The Holocaust’ helps make Jews unassailable.

    One ugly fact however is true:

    Claims of ‘six million Jews’ being slaughtered go back to the 19th century. The 19th century. And those claims were false. Totally false.

    Published claims of ‘six million Jews’ being killed were also common during WWI. That’s even more false claims. (See: ‘The First Holocaust’).

    It was Jewish activists who cooked up these fabrications. These libelous charges received wide and respected coverage in numerous US newspapers. It’s a fact. Easy to prove. Do you doubt this? Google it. See the archival newspapers themselves. ‘Six million Jews’. Before WWII.

    Jewish claims about Jewish genocide prior to WWII are as common and clear and as the widespread (but largely unknown) Jewish involvement in the slave-trade during the 17th, 18th and early 19th century. It’s all ugly and it’s all undeniably true.

    Nation of Islam published a book that shows dozens of archival slave posters which prove this ‘special relationship’ between blacks and Jews. This is not to single out Jews for sins that were widely committed. But this insufferable ‘always innocent’ myth must be put to rest. Jewish ethnocentrism has reached epic proportions.

    As for WWII, some twelve million Germans died during that war. Maybe more. Maybe less. Plus, eight million Ukranians and perhaps as many as twenty million Russians were killed. Why are their lives so unimportant?

    Indeed, the artificial centrality of ‘The Holocaust’ trivializes the suffering of humanity.

    In the book, ‘Out of Control’, author and statesman, Zbigniew Brezinski, estimated that some 220,000,000 people died in wars in the 20th century alone. Two hundred and twenty million. Why is this staggering fact of so little interest? And so unknown?

    It should be remembered that books were published before WWII which advocated total German annihilation. (See: ‘Germany Must Perish’). Propaganda of this kind only helped bring on WWII. Should we not strive to look at the complete picture?

    Today, we have Jewish-dominated ‘think tanks’, billionaire donors, mega-rich ‘philanthropists’ and concentrated media conglomerates that endorse, justify, help orchestrate, and spearhead Zio-America’s globe-trotting ‘War on Terror’, not to mention violent ‘regime-change’ in nations deemed hostile to you-know-who.

    There are also independent agents of war like George Soros, Haim Sabin and Sheldon Adelson who fund the operatives, Parties, and sometimes (in the case of Soros) even or the conflicts themselves.

    If these operatives have their way, Assad’s Syria is going down and after that, Iran. Lebanon and Putin’s Russia are also in the cross-hairs. Who benefits?

    This is bad karma, dude.

    As early as 1933, Jews spearheaded a global economic war on Germany. Economic war on Germany. 1933. Early on. Preemption. Not unlike Iraq in 2003 and Libya in 2011. But ‘first strike’ wars are criminal.

    As for Germany, millions of helpless civilians were decimated via wholesale arial bombing campaigns. Hundreds of thousands of German women and children were burned alive in Dresden, in Hamberg, in Berlin and dozens of other cities. Entire families and communities were annihilated. This, too, was a holocaust. Many of these horrific crimes preceded Hitler’s ‘death camps’.

    During WWII, Jews were highly active and influential in Washington, NY, London, Paris and in the pro-war media. Just like now. Aviator and soldier, Charles Lindbergh, complained about this. So did Henry Ford. Even the Kennedy’s.

    Zio-Washington’s present course of action is wrong. Serial, pr0-Zionist wars must be halted. Washington’s ‘blank check’ for Israel must be revoked. America must regain its sovereignty.

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    {the alleged ‘gassing’ and murder of ‘six million Jews’.}

    If the murder of “six million Jews” is alleged, then everything else you allege is also alleged.

    {The death and suffering on all sides was staggering. But as many as 12 million Germans died during the War. Therefore, it’s unbalanced to focus only on just one group’s losses. After all, no fewer than 40 million humans perished in this war (perhaps more).}

    See my post #138, re WW2.
    And, don't conflate everything re Jews: I am well aware of Zionists, Neocon Jews, etc, etc.

    It is too bad 12 million Germans were killed in WW2 (more common estimate is about 8 million Germans, not 12 million: 5 million soldiers, 3 million civilians) . Germans were killed because Nazi Germans invaded USSR, amongst other countries Nazis invaded. Nazis Germans killed and murdered ~18 million Soviet civilians, mostly Slavs.

    Stop shedding crocodile tears: nobody forced Nazis to invade USSR and cause the deaths of approx 30 million human beings (soldiers and civilians).

    , @Ivan
    Further to your points, let Bardon do this thought experiment: Suppose that while Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar supported deposing Assad while Israel was totally against it, how does he think this would fly among the whores in Congress? Surely in the interests of tiny, beleaguered Israel, they would do an about turn. Suddenly the newspapers will be full of articles of how the Assads are a modern progressive family. Mrs Assad is seen nowhere with a hijab, and is quite the looker. And life interest articles will be full of the Assads celebrating Christmas with the Christians in Damascus. But since it does not suit the interests of Israelis, the chant is repeated "Assad must go", since he is close to the Iranians.

    The Zionists have really screwed up the lives of millions across the Middle East with their thoroughgoing and comprehensive lies. The latest IAEA report on the (non-existent) Iranian nuclear programme, gives an example of the unashamed way in the Israelis had lied for the last 12 years. They were aching to get thousands of Iranians killed But will the buggers ever apologise for it? No, they will bring up the Holocaust rag, to silence everyone.

    I would not be surprised either if the hasbara are working on connecting the IAEA Director General to the Fukushima disaster, to undermine his credibility, as that has always been their MO. Pick on trivialities and make a song and dance about it.
    , @Ivan
    Till about two decades ago, we were assured that 4 million died at Auschwitz, this number has snce been revised down to 1.1 million. In the interest of truth the Holocaust industry should tell us how such a substantial revision has taken place, Instead they choose to double down and claim that the number of "concentration camps" surpass 40,000 and thus possibly the difference 4 - 1.1 = 2.9 millions died all over Germany.

    I have a simpler explanation; the Germans confessed to anything since the preferred method of the those dispensing what passed for justice at Nuremberg, was to crush the testicles of the defendants. It is reasonable to assume, that the average defendant will confess to raping his grandmother, mother and daughter under those circumstances.
    , @Rurik

    Actually, the case can be made that the systematic annihilation of Germans by munitions and fire during WWII was as inhumane (or nearly so) as the alleged ‘gassing’ and murder of ‘six million Jews’.
     
    even if you take them at their word, the Holocaust was done as humanely as it's was humanly possible to kill people. Sort of like the Soylent Green euthanasia scene

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YYuRZFSOClc/Toddlk9rGBI/AAAAAAAAHwU/KC4lErgYOzw/s640/SoylentGreen_143Pyxurz.jpg

    the violins were playing as they were handed a towel to take a 'shower', and then the death was as benign as could be arranged under the circumstances. And that was their worst case scenario of the gas chambers as I remember them being shown to us as children. Compare that to Dresden, which is undisputed and was as calculatedly cruel and sadistic as it was possible to imagine. And then some.

    and yet it's the Germans who everyone condemns for inhumanity
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  144. Avery says:
    @Mark Green
    Actually, the case can be made that the systematic annihilation of Germans by munitions and fire during WWII was as inhumane (or nearly so) as the alleged 'gassing' and murder of 'six million Jews'.

    The death and suffering on all sides was staggering. But as many as 12 million Germans died during the War. Therefore, it's unbalanced to focus only on just one group's losses. After all, no fewer than 40 million humans perished in this war (perhaps more). And the alleged number of Jewish causalities remains forensically unsubstantiated.

    The actual body-count in the camps was (though horrific) relatively small when compared to the vast and visible destruction of German cities and towns over five years of continuous allied bombing, invasion and warfare.

    Further, following WWII, the Red Cross estimated one million Jewish deaths in the camps.

    So the claim of six million Jews were deliberately 'murdered' while being held captive by Germany might be a gross and politicized exaggeration. After all, many concentration camp victims died of disease, starvation and malnutrition towards the war's end. And there was never a census of Jews in Europe before WWII or immediately after.

    Nevertheless, just doubting the 'official' number of Jewish deaths in WWII is now a criminal offense in much of the Western world, including Canada. A criminal offense.

    Indeed, it's 'Holocaust Denial' that is now treated like one of the world's Great Crises. This is absurd. But revealing. It reminds us again of who dominates TV, 'mainstream' news and opinion, Hollywood, publishing, and our political universe.

    Today, vast speech restrictions have been implemented in most of Europe to combat 'hate speech'. Yet there are no restrictions on advocating 'preemptive' war. Who benefits?

    Anti Fee Speech laws (strategic censorship) exist in some 18 Western countries. They also criminalize 'Holocaust Denial' and 'anti-Semitism'.

    As for the actual number of Jewish dead in WWII, 'facts' should require no legal protection. Should we arrest 'creationists' for denying evolution? Absurd.

    Let science and scholarship settle these arguments.

    Therefore, Jewish intolerance of dissent concerning this one vital 'fact' of WWII is highly suspicious. It's clear that Israel needs 'The Holocaust' to justify its Mideast colonizati0n since 'The Holocaust' helps make Jews unassailable.

    One ugly fact however is true:

    Claims of 'six million Jews' being slaughtered go back to the 19th century. The 19th century. And those claims were false. Totally false.

    Published claims of 'six million Jews' being killed were also common during WWI. That's even more false claims. (See: 'The First Holocaust').

    It was Jewish activists who cooked up these fabrications. These libelous charges received wide and respected coverage in numerous US newspapers. It's a fact. Easy to prove. Do you doubt this? Google it. See the archival newspapers themselves. 'Six million Jews'. Before WWII.

    Jewish claims about Jewish genocide prior to WWII are as common and clear and as the widespread (but largely unknown) Jewish involvement in the slave-trade during the 17th, 18th and early 19th century. It's all ugly and it's all undeniably true.

    Nation of Islam published a book that shows dozens of archival slave posters which prove this 'special relationship' between blacks and Jews. This is not to single out Jews for sins that were widely committed. But this insufferable 'always innocent' myth must be put to rest. Jewish ethnocentrism has reached epic proportions.

    As for WWII, some twelve million Germans died during that war. Maybe more. Maybe less. Plus, eight million Ukranians and perhaps as many as twenty million Russians were killed. Why are their lives so unimportant?

    Indeed, the artificial centrality of 'The Holocaust' trivializes the suffering of humanity.

    In the book, 'Out of Control', author and statesman, Zbigniew Brezinski, estimated that some 220,000,000 people died in wars in the 20th century alone. Two hundred and twenty million. Why is this staggering fact of so little interest? And so unknown?

    It should be remembered that books were published before WWII which advocated total German annihilation. (See: 'Germany Must Perish'). Propaganda of this kind only helped bring on WWII. Should we not strive to look at the complete picture?

    Today, we have Jewish-dominated 'think tanks', billionaire donors, mega-rich 'philanthropists' and concentrated media conglomerates that endorse, justify, help orchestrate, and spearhead Zio-America's globe-trotting 'War on Terror', not to mention violent 'regime-change' in nations deemed hostile to you-know-who.

    There are also independent agents of war like George Soros, Haim Sabin and Sheldon Adelson who fund the operatives, Parties, and sometimes (in the case of Soros) even or the conflicts themselves.

    If these operatives have their way, Assad's Syria is going down and after that, Iran. Lebanon and Putin's Russia are also in the cross-hairs. Who benefits?

    This is bad karma, dude.

    As early as 1933, Jews spearheaded a global economic war on Germany. Economic war on Germany. 1933. Early on. Preemption. Not unlike Iraq in 2003 and Libya in 2011. But 'first strike' wars are criminal.

    As for Germany, millions of helpless civilians were decimated via wholesale arial bombing campaigns. Hundreds of thousands of German women and children were burned alive in Dresden, in Hamberg, in Berlin and dozens of other cities. Entire families and communities were annihilated. This, too, was a holocaust. Many of these horrific crimes preceded Hitler's 'death camps'.

    During WWII, Jews were highly active and influential in Washington, NY, London, Paris and in the pro-war media. Just like now. Aviator and soldier, Charles Lindbergh, complained about this. So did Henry Ford. Even the Kennedy's.

    Zio-Washington's present course of action is wrong. Serial, pr0-Zionist wars must be halted. Washington's 'blank check' for Israel must be revoked. America must regain its sovereignty.

    {the alleged ‘gassing’ and murder of ‘six million Jews’.}

    If the murder of “six million Jews” is alleged, then everything else you allege is also alleged.

    {The death and suffering on all sides was staggering. But as many as 12 million Germans died during the War. Therefore, it’s unbalanced to focus only on just one group’s losses. After all, no fewer than 40 million humans perished in this war (perhaps more).}

    See my post #138, re WW2.
    And, don’t conflate everything re Jews: I am well aware of Zionists, Neocon Jews, etc, etc.

    It is too bad 12 million Germans were killed in WW2 (more common estimate is about 8 million Germans, not 12 million: 5 million soldiers, 3 million civilians) . Germans were killed because Nazi Germans invaded USSR, amongst other countries Nazis invaded. Nazis Germans killed and murdered ~18 million Soviet civilians, mostly Slavs.

    Stop shedding crocodile tears: nobody forced Nazis to invade USSR and cause the deaths of approx 30 million human beings (soldiers and civilians).

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    "....nobody forced Nazis to invade USSR and cause the deaths of approx 30 million human beings (soldiers and civilians)."

    Exactly, but tell this to Rurik and S2C (and others, presumably).
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  145. Old Jew says:
    @Sam Shama
    Anachnu lo mevinim ma ze 'perd', raq 'soos'
    ve arbe ben notsrim she medaberim po yesh le'hem bayot
    al tedaberu arbe it am

    Wiz of Oz - hu ben adam chacham

    Hevanti! (understood). Will do.

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  146. Old Jew says:
    @alexander
    I think Israel should accept the borders of the state in which it is recognized by the majority of the world.
    I think the Palestinian refugees, who were expelled (or forced to flee) from their homes in what is now "Israel "..should give up their right of return, but they should be compensated for doing so.
    they should be allowed to settle in Palestine, not Israel.

    I think if Israel wants to retain the use of the Golan heights, and it is recognized as "Syrian sovereign territory" by the whole world , then it should offer to "lease' the land from Syria, on a hundred year basis...much like Hong Kong was leased to the Brits.

    I think if Israel wishes to build a New Solomon's Temple", that is fine, but why does it have to be built on the dome of the rock ? I think Israel would be better served to pick a new spot for it, and accept a percentage of the tourist income from Palestine for all the Muslims that wish to visit the Al-Aqsa Mosque every year.

    I think Israel should trade its desalinization technology for a percentage of the gas reserves owned by Gaza within Gaza's territorial waters. Gaza gets clean water and Israel gets cheap gas.

    I think settlers who wish to live in what was once Judea and Samaria, should be entitled to do so..but they need to find a Palestinian who wishes to sell his property and buy it..But if the Palestinian does not wish to sell it...he should not have to. End of story.

    I think all the illegal settlement blocks beyond the green line should be abandoned, or integrated into Palestine,of which Settlers could retain dual citizenship...they could be Israeli citizens but pay property taxes to Palestine. if Israel wishes to retain large blocks as part of Israel, they should offer to purchase the land from Palestine.

    I think the enormous income and good will from entering into a durable peace deal would overwhelm Israel with positive energy.....like they have never seen or felt before..Jerusalem would be swarming with tourists....bursting in fact.....It would be a very exciting time for Israel and the world.

    Mr Netanyahu is always talking about "security"..."security"....what better security could Israel have than being at peace with its neighbors ?

    It could be a new golden age of peace and prosperity .....What would that feel like ?

    Aren't you curious to find out ?

    Dear Alexander,

    Prophetic Image. great vision.

    If possible try to visit Israel and the West Bank.

    I did.
    Here are some observations:

    Most of the land in what you call Palestine was owned by the state (Ottoman Empire, then British Empire, then Jordan, then Israel.

    The preponderance of Settlements are on these state lands.

    There a few case where Palestinian Arabs claim some settlement land as private property. It is mostly custom. Few can produce Title to these lands.

    You may notice: The preponderance (perhaps all) settlements are on the hill tops.

    The Arab villages are deep in the valleys. In the valleys there is naturally flowing spring water.

    The hill are barren. Settlement of hill tops became possible, after pumping (with electricity
    driven pumps) became available. That means modern people. Jews.

    The Arab villages date to earlier more pastoral eras. Before electricity. Very bucolic. …and ecological..[ as long the population does not grow in leaps and bounds].

    So the settlers and Arabs are not stepping on each others toes. As long as settlers work only in their own local industries, or work in Israel and use the settlement as inexpensive housing there is no conflict.

    Conflict is caused by grazing lands. Arabs (in way smaller numbers than today) had their sheep grazing on state lands in Ottoman times. Settlers may want this land for their herds. After all they are taxpayers, (the Palestinians are not) so why shall they give priority to the Arabs.

    This the recipe for stone throwing, arson, fiery political statements, etc..

    I do not have a solution to this quagmire. nevertheless I wish your vision to come true.

    sf

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    The only positive thing in your write up is that you hope that alexander's vision would come through, which is at least some (half good) solution. The rest of your write up is the typical settler bull, big bull. Without going through your settler bull point by point, let me ask you one simple question - who gave the right to any Jew to settle any "government and public land" or to pump water from the valleys onto the hill tops? Let me answer: your "right" came through tanks, bombs and guns of the state of Israel (this is why it owns this land, as you write). Thus what makes you "modern" is that you are more apt at stealing other people's property. Are you referring to taxes settlers pay, which cover about 20% of the cost of those tanks, bombs and guns, whilst the US taxpayer covers about 80% of this cost?

    I am sincerely glad that you are delivering this settler BS here so that everyone can see. It is proof that there are no reasonable people of your kind. At least you are not a Hasbara troll like so many of yours here to manipulate things. You are completely open in claiming your right over something you have no right over, just because you are "modern".
    , @Ivan
    It is an old and well-worn trick of the Zionists to claim, that since Arab lands that were held in common such as say the playgrounds and open fields, belonged to no one, that therefore those should be posted on the Israeli side of the ledger because they are such great people. Now if I were to come to Israel and claim a large part of the Negev desert since it belongs to no one, would you accept it? If there is a long beach "belonging to no one" can I claim it? Can I go to the US and claim the Rockies by similar reasoning?

    As to your implied claim that the Arabs were desert nomads while the Zionists were great modernisers who made "the desert bloom." this s given the lie by the comprehensive Survey of Palestine, conducted by the British authorities. There you will find that the Palestinian Arabs were competitive at every level, and in fact beat the Jews in terms of productivity and enterprise

    http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story665.html

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  147. RobinG says:
    @Avery
    {the alleged ‘gassing’ and murder of ‘six million Jews’.}

    If the murder of “six million Jews” is alleged, then everything else you allege is also alleged.

    {The death and suffering on all sides was staggering. But as many as 12 million Germans died during the War. Therefore, it’s unbalanced to focus only on just one group’s losses. After all, no fewer than 40 million humans perished in this war (perhaps more).}

    See my post #138, re WW2.
    And, don't conflate everything re Jews: I am well aware of Zionists, Neocon Jews, etc, etc.

    It is too bad 12 million Germans were killed in WW2 (more common estimate is about 8 million Germans, not 12 million: 5 million soldiers, 3 million civilians) . Germans were killed because Nazi Germans invaded USSR, amongst other countries Nazis invaded. Nazis Germans killed and murdered ~18 million Soviet civilians, mostly Slavs.

    Stop shedding crocodile tears: nobody forced Nazis to invade USSR and cause the deaths of approx 30 million human beings (soldiers and civilians).

    “….nobody forced Nazis to invade USSR and cause the deaths of approx 30 million human beings (soldiers and civilians).”

    Exactly, but tell this to Rurik and S2C (and others, presumably).

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    better yet, take it up with Viktor Suvorov

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSy80WlmWY

    --

    Merry Christmas to all.

    The sermon at Christmas Eve candlelight service made the usual comments. But it included this simple reality: The only way to turn an enemy into a friend is not by killing but by loving.
    , @Avery
    A savage Ukrainian mother and her child savagely murdering a helpless German soldier, who was just visiting Ukraine to take in the sites.

    http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/executions-kiev-jews-german-army-mobile-killing-units-1942/
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  148. Kiza says:
    @Old Jew
    Dear Alexander,

    Prophetic Image. great vision.

    If possible try to visit Israel and the West Bank.

    I did.
    Here are some observations:

    Most of the land in what you call Palestine was owned by the state (Ottoman Empire, then British Empire, then Jordan, then Israel.

    The preponderance of Settlements are on these state lands.

    There a few case where Palestinian Arabs claim some settlement land as private property. It is mostly custom. Few can produce Title to these lands.

    You may notice: The preponderance (perhaps all) settlements are on the hill tops.

    The Arab villages are deep in the valleys. In the valleys there is naturally flowing spring water.

    The hill are barren. Settlement of hill tops became possible, after pumping (with electricity
    driven pumps) became available. That means modern people. Jews.

    The Arab villages date to earlier more pastoral eras. Before electricity. Very bucolic. ...and ecological..[ as long the population does not grow in leaps and bounds].

    So the settlers and Arabs are not stepping on each others toes. As long as settlers work only in their own local industries, or work in Israel and use the settlement as inexpensive housing there is no conflict.

    Conflict is caused by grazing lands. Arabs (in way smaller numbers than today) had their sheep grazing on state lands in Ottoman times. Settlers may want this land for their herds. After all they are taxpayers, (the Palestinians are not) so why shall they give priority to the Arabs.

    This the recipe for stone throwing, arson, fiery political statements, etc..

    I do not have a solution to this quagmire. nevertheless I wish your vision to come true.

    sf

    The only positive thing in your write up is that you hope that alexander’s vision would come through, which is at least some (half good) solution. The rest of your write up is the typical settler bull, big bull. Without going through your settler bull point by point, let me ask you one simple question – who gave the right to any Jew to settle any “government and public land” or to pump water from the valleys onto the hill tops? Let me answer: your “right” came through tanks, bombs and guns of the state of Israel (this is why it owns this land, as you write). Thus what makes you “modern” is that you are more apt at stealing other people’s property. Are you referring to taxes settlers pay, which cover about 20% of the cost of those tanks, bombs and guns, whilst the US taxpayer covers about 80% of this cost?

    I am sincerely glad that you are delivering this settler BS here so that everyone can see. It is proof that there are no reasonable people of your kind. At least you are not a Hasbara troll like so many of yours here to manipulate things. You are completely open in claiming your right over something you have no right over, just because you are “modern”.

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    Thank you Kiza for exposing Old Jew's settler BS. But I do not subscribe to Alexander's vision, although I appreciate clarification of his Zionism (his defense of violent land grabs, his dubious aspiration to a fairer racism).

    For one thing, a right of return is just that - a right. Those granted that right may opt for some other kind of settlement (financial or alternate property) on a case by case basis, but they are entitled to Palestinian citizenship.

    For another, whatever goodwill the "majority of the world" may have had for Israel (based on Holocaust pity) has been squandered by their abominable behavior. There's no reason to assume there will be overwhelming objection to the end of the Jewish State in the Levant.
    , @Old Jew
    Dear Kiza,

    You over estimate me. I never fired a gun in my life, last time I was in the West Bank was in 1987 before the first Intifada. I have an agenda. I want Jews to stay alive. I empathize with Arab villagers. When the Army orders them to remain on the East Side of the wall/fence, they are as helpless in front of Authorities as my grandparents in 1941when ordered to take a suitcase and board the trains to TRANSNISTRIA. A month after I was born.

    I tried to understand what makes you such an implacable warrior for Social Justice (National Justice in the West Bank).

    So, I read up some of your previous postings.
    I do not know where you live.
    You may even be an US taxpayer.

    The philosophy pervading your posts seams to be one of a traditional Russian patriot of the type:
    БЕИ ЖИДОВ СПАСИ РОСИЮ ("Smash the Kikes, Save Russia").

    Why do you militate for a 23rd Arab nation: Palestine. Are the 22 existing Arab states insufficient?

    I do not understand you, neither the settlers. I am secular. I do not believe in the God given right to colonize Yehuda and Shomron.
    Whatever the military does is more a sign of weakness than strength. Trying to swap a fly with a bludgeon. They are not supermen. Not the Middle-East superpower, but more the little shitty (insecure) country.

    Still I want them alive.
    The story about the hill and the valleys, just says: No overlapping. No ground for conflict.
    Live and let live.

    You are entitled to dislike Jews. Or to hate us.

    I am reading Giraldi, and iSteve to try to understand the reason of this undying hatred towards us Jews.

    All you have to do, to keep your "White Arian Race" survive and flourish is to father more children.

    Brooding over Zio-conspiracies will not get you there.

    Israelis are "Modern". All your arguments about "rights" are Modern. The Arabs conquering
    the Holly lands from the Byzantines did not ask of the rights of the natives. As a matter of fact neither did the Romans, or Alexander, or the Ottomans.

    You apply the rights theory of John Locke and the Declaration of Independence, and mix it with the theory of the Noble Savage and his "undeniable" rights.

    Anyway, visit Israel (or whatever you call it). It will be worth your time and expense.


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  149. @RobinG
    "....nobody forced Nazis to invade USSR and cause the deaths of approx 30 million human beings (soldiers and civilians)."

    Exactly, but tell this to Rurik and S2C (and others, presumably).

    better yet, take it up with Viktor Suvorov

    Merry Christmas to all.

    The sermon at Christmas Eve candlelight service made the usual comments. But it included this simple reality: The only way to turn an enemy into a friend is not by killing but by loving.

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    This was a good comedy show. This character is truly on the level of what in the West passes for a "historian", no surprise there. But I did not know if I was supposed to laugh at the audience or at the "historian". He kept repeating that he was a Russian spy to gain credibility for his comedy show. If spies can be US presidents, perhaps they are also qualified to be historians. Put a quasi-historical show together and make money off it, simple enough. There will be many in the West calling you a historian, because you are telling them what they want.
    , @L.K
    Solonto, the only problem is that Suvorov only understands the politics of the USSR, concentrates on the Soviet-German relation, but totally overlooks the machinations of the FDR administration and those of the Churchill war party in England. In fact, if Erkki Hautamaki's theory is correct,( based on the so-called Mannerheim-files, a number of documents in the possession of the Finnish leader ), the secret machinations of the Americans, French and Brits, together with the Soviets, may have been even more sinister.

    Merry Christmas and take care.
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  150. Avery says:
    @RobinG
    "....nobody forced Nazis to invade USSR and cause the deaths of approx 30 million human beings (soldiers and civilians)."

    Exactly, but tell this to Rurik and S2C (and others, presumably).

    A savage Ukrainian mother and her child savagely murdering a helpless German soldier, who was just visiting Ukraine to take in the sites.

    http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/executions-kiev-jews-german-army-mobile-killing-units-1942/

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  151. RobinG says:
    @Kiza
    The only positive thing in your write up is that you hope that alexander's vision would come through, which is at least some (half good) solution. The rest of your write up is the typical settler bull, big bull. Without going through your settler bull point by point, let me ask you one simple question - who gave the right to any Jew to settle any "government and public land" or to pump water from the valleys onto the hill tops? Let me answer: your "right" came through tanks, bombs and guns of the state of Israel (this is why it owns this land, as you write). Thus what makes you "modern" is that you are more apt at stealing other people's property. Are you referring to taxes settlers pay, which cover about 20% of the cost of those tanks, bombs and guns, whilst the US taxpayer covers about 80% of this cost?

    I am sincerely glad that you are delivering this settler BS here so that everyone can see. It is proof that there are no reasonable people of your kind. At least you are not a Hasbara troll like so many of yours here to manipulate things. You are completely open in claiming your right over something you have no right over, just because you are "modern".

    Thank you Kiza for exposing Old Jew’s settler BS. But I do not subscribe to Alexander’s vision, although I appreciate clarification of his Zionism (his defense of violent land grabs, his dubious aspiration to a fairer racism).

    For one thing, a right of return is just that – a right. Those granted that right may opt for some other kind of settlement (financial or alternate property) on a case by case basis, but they are entitled to Palestinian citizenship.

    For another, whatever goodwill the “majority of the world” may have had for Israel (based on Holocaust pity) has been squandered by their abominable behavior. There’s no reason to assume there will be overwhelming objection to the end of the Jewish State in the Levant.

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    Hi Robin,

    I think you foresee a one state solution (which we all know basically exists right now) in which Palestinians demand and eventually achieve "all the rights " as citizens, which they deserve.

    I think you see a one state solution where every refugee's ROR is fully respected and honored by the state.

    I think you foresee one state that is truly democratic, granting full rights to all its citizens, including every Palestinian, every Palestinian refugee, and every individual who resides , or has the right to reside within that state.

    I think you foresee a state with an overwhelming majority of Palestinians, which, if it is truly democratic, will allow the voters to decide who its leaders are,and who its representatives should be.

    I think you foresee a Palestinian Prime Minister, Palestinian President ,and vast majority of Palestinians within control of the Knesset body..if they so choose to continue to call it "the Knesset".

    I see a" democratic vote" taking place, within the entire state, by all its citizens, who, by a preponderance of a majority, will change the name of this "one state" from Israel to Palestine.

    But just as I see it, and you see it, Israel sees it too.

    Israel will not let it happen.

    What will happen, Dear Robin, is something quite different....there will be "one state" from the river to the sea, as you envision, it will be democratic as you envision, but it will be Israel and it will stay Israel...Do you know why?

    Because Israel will" kill" enough Palestinians to make sure it stays that way..and ..Israel may just kill them all.

    Then what do you have...a Greater Israel.....the complete dissolution of Palestine...and six million dead Palestinians.....and , subsequently, a world locked in a permanent state of war lasting one hundred years if not more.

    Robin , rethink it....and let me know what you come up with....because that is where we are headed...and its coming like a steamroller....and I would much rather find a smarter use of my tax dollars.... and our countries solvency....then fighting a 50 trillion dollar...100 year war.

    Wouldn't you?
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  152. Kiza says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    better yet, take it up with Viktor Suvorov

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSy80WlmWY

    --

    Merry Christmas to all.

    The sermon at Christmas Eve candlelight service made the usual comments. But it included this simple reality: The only way to turn an enemy into a friend is not by killing but by loving.

    This was a good comedy show. This character is truly on the level of what in the West passes for a “historian”, no surprise there. But I did not know if I was supposed to laugh at the audience or at the “historian”. He kept repeating that he was a Russian spy to gain credibility for his comedy show. If spies can be US presidents, perhaps they are also qualified to be historians. Put a quasi-historical show together and make money off it, simple enough. There will be many in the West calling you a historian, because you are telling them what they want.

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  153. alexander says:
    @RobinG
    Thank you Kiza for exposing Old Jew's settler BS. But I do not subscribe to Alexander's vision, although I appreciate clarification of his Zionism (his defense of violent land grabs, his dubious aspiration to a fairer racism).

    For one thing, a right of return is just that - a right. Those granted that right may opt for some other kind of settlement (financial or alternate property) on a case by case basis, but they are entitled to Palestinian citizenship.

    For another, whatever goodwill the "majority of the world" may have had for Israel (based on Holocaust pity) has been squandered by their abominable behavior. There's no reason to assume there will be overwhelming objection to the end of the Jewish State in the Levant.

    Hi Robin,

    I think you foresee a one state solution (which we all know basically exists right now) in which Palestinians demand and eventually achieve “all the rights ” as citizens, which they deserve.

    I think you see a one state solution where every refugee’s ROR is fully respected and honored by the state.

    I think you foresee one state that is truly democratic, granting full rights to all its citizens, including every Palestinian, every Palestinian refugee, and every individual who resides , or has the right to reside within that state.

    I think you foresee a state with an overwhelming majority of Palestinians, which, if it is truly democratic, will allow the voters to decide who its leaders are,and who its representatives should be.

    I think you foresee a Palestinian Prime Minister, Palestinian President ,and vast majority of Palestinians within control of the Knesset body..if they so choose to continue to call it “the Knesset”.

    I see a” democratic vote” taking place, within the entire state, by all its citizens, who, by a preponderance of a majority, will change the name of this “one state” from Israel to Palestine.

    But just as I see it, and you see it, Israel sees it too.

    Israel will not let it happen.

    What will happen, Dear Robin, is something quite different….there will be “one state” from the river to the sea, as you envision, it will be democratic as you envision, but it will be Israel and it will stay Israel…Do you know why?

    Because Israel will” kill” enough Palestinians to make sure it stays that way..and ..Israel may just kill them all.

    Then what do you have…a Greater Israel…..the complete dissolution of Palestine…and six million dead Palestinians…..and , subsequently, a world locked in a permanent state of war lasting one hundred years if not more.

    Robin , rethink it….and let me know what you come up with….because that is where we are headed…and its coming like a steamroller….and I would much rather find a smarter use of my tax dollars…. and our countries solvency….then fighting a 50 trillion dollar…100 year war.

    Wouldn’t you?

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  154. @Junior

    now that the West has been more or less civilized – where life is respected and a measure of freedom has been attained, we can just dump what got us there. That makes sense – WRONG. We are doing that. and things are going into the toilet.
     
    It is the Constitution not the Bible that has gotten us to the greatness of our past. It is the corrupting of our politics and no longer following the Constitution that is causing our nation to be flushed down the toilet currently, unless we stop it. And if you are going to say that the Constitution is rooted in the Bible, well then I think that there are a quite a few Greek Philosophers that would say that you are looking at a branch and calling it the root. I think even Plato would say that his teachings were influenced and so even Greek Philosophy isn't the root. It is rooted in Universal Truths. If you are going to say that it is rooted in anything(only because it is the earliest proof we have), I would say that it is rooted in the Code of Hammurabi.

    It is our moving away from the Constitution, which codify the Declaration's Universal Truths of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, that is our problem. Not our moving away from the Bible.

    And on that note, Merry Christmas... oops I mean Merry Christmas AND Happy Holidays EVERYBODY... oops again! I almost forgot, and to Jehovahs Witnesses... I guess, Happy Vacation from Work ;)

    Good stuff through & through Jr.

    For those Christians who doubt the wisdom of our forefathers demand religion play no role in the affairs of state, I recommend…

    http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2015/12/rwanda-and-evils-of-politicized.html

    …by a conservative Christian who actually ‘gets it’ insofar as the dangers of politicized religion.

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  155. Art says:
    @Junior

    now that the West has been more or less civilized – where life is respected and a measure of freedom has been attained, we can just dump what got us there. That makes sense – WRONG. We are doing that. and things are going into the toilet.
     
    It is the Constitution not the Bible that has gotten us to the greatness of our past. It is the corrupting of our politics and no longer following the Constitution that is causing our nation to be flushed down the toilet currently, unless we stop it. And if you are going to say that the Constitution is rooted in the Bible, well then I think that there are a quite a few Greek Philosophers that would say that you are looking at a branch and calling it the root. I think even Plato would say that his teachings were influenced and so even Greek Philosophy isn't the root. It is rooted in Universal Truths. If you are going to say that it is rooted in anything(only because it is the earliest proof we have), I would say that it is rooted in the Code of Hammurabi.

    It is our moving away from the Constitution, which codify the Declaration's Universal Truths of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, that is our problem. Not our moving away from the Bible.

    And on that note, Merry Christmas... oops I mean Merry Christmas AND Happy Holidays EVERYBODY... oops again! I almost forgot, and to Jehovahs Witnesses... I guess, Happy Vacation from Work ;)

    “It is the Constitution not the Bible that has gotten us to the greatness of our past”

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    That statement is straight out of Christian philosophy. It is a Christian statement – period. It is not Jewish, it is not Muslim, it is not Hindi, it is not Confusion, and it is not Buddhist

    Every great movement or religion has two aspects to it – the first aspect is about how the individual should relate to a deity – God. The second aspect of each religion is how we as individuals should relate to each other. Each religion has a philosophy for living with each other.

    That statement in the Declaration of Independence is Christian philosophy 101.

    You do not have to be a religious Christian to live that statement or philosophy. (Although it helps.)

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    "The government of the United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian religion" -John Adams
    , @Junior

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
     

    That statement is straight out of Christian philosophy. It is a Christian statement – period. It is not Jewish, it is not Muslim, it is not Hindi, it is not Confusion, and it is not Buddhist
     
    I think that RTW is absolutely correct in his statement that you have a certain aspect of "Christian supremacist understanding" to your views. Whether it be the Jewish Right to Life philosophy of "Thou shalt not kill" from the Torah or the Muslim Right to Liberty philosophy of "there shall be no coercion in matters of faith" from the Qur'an or the Buddhist Pursuit of Happiness philosophy of "If one speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows one, like a shadow that never leaves." from the Dhammapada, these are Universal Truths that transcend across the whole spectrum of spiritual philosophies and are not some special hidden knowledge that one particular religion has had revealed to them. I think of it as more of a remembrance or tapping into and downloading of the Universal Knowledge than a revelation, but for the purposes of this discussion in regards to religion, I refer to it as revealed. In my view, the spiritual philosophies of Universal Eternal Truths are "systematically revealed on this earth from age to age" and then systematically hidden on this earth from age to age by organized religion.

    While I agree with your choosing to look at this issue, and life in general, from more of a Philosophical Christian point of view (which I agree with because it seems to me to be more about Spirituality than Religion), I disagree with your attributing the greatness of our foundation's principles solely to Christianity and wonder how you reconcile this belief with some of the more blatantly obvious inspirations like Greek Philosophy or the Enlightenment. I'm also curious what your feelings are about the influence that Freemasonry(pre-Illuminati) had on our founding principles.

    http://www.earlyamerica.com/early-america-review/volume-2/secular-government/

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  156. @Art
    "It is the Constitution not the Bible that has gotten us to the greatness of our past"

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
     
    That statement is straight out of Christian philosophy. It is a Christian statement – period. It is not Jewish, it is not Muslim, it is not Hindi, it is not Confusion, and it is not Buddhist

    Every great movement or religion has two aspects to it – the first aspect is about how the individual should relate to a deity – God. The second aspect of each religion is how we as individuals should relate to each other. Each religion has a philosophy for living with each other.

    That statement in the Declaration of Independence is Christian philosophy 101.

    You do not have to be a religious Christian to live that statement or philosophy. (Although it helps.)

    “The government of the United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian religion” -John Adams

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    ps, here's Thomas Paine's essay on 'Deism', a principle accepted by most (and what's more, embraced by some, e.g Thomas Jefferson) our founders:

    Every person, of whatever religious denomination he may be, is a DEIST in the first article of his Creed. Deism, from the Latin word Deus, God, is the belief of a God, and this belief is the first article of every man's creed.

    It is on this article, universally consented to by all mankind, that the Deist builds his church, and here he rests. Whenever we step aside from this article, by mixing it with articles of human invention, we wander into a labyrinth of uncertainty and fable, and become exposed to every kind of imposition by pretenders to revelation.

    The Persian shows the Zend-Avesta of Zoroaster, the lawgiver of Persia, and calls it the divine law; the Bramin shows the Shaster, revealed, he says, by God to Brama, and given to him out of a cloud; the Jew shows what he calls the law of Moses, given, he says, by God, on the Mount Sinai; the Christian shows a collection of books and epistles, written by nobody knows who, and called the New Testament; and the Mahometan shows the Koran, given, he says, by God to Mahomet: each of these calls itself revealed religion, and the only true Word of God, and this the followers of each profess to believe from the habit of education, and each believes the others are imposed upon.

    But when the divine gift of reason begins to expand itself in the mind and calls man to reflection, he then reads and contemplates God and His works, and not in the books pretending to be revelation. The creation is the Bible of the true believer in God. Everything in this vast volume inspires him with sublime ideas of the Creator. The little and paltry, and often obscene, tales of the Bible sink into wretchedness when put in comparison with this mighty work.

    The Deist needs none of those tricks and shows called miracles to confirm his faith, for what can be a greater miracle than the creation itself, and his own existence?

    http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/paine-deism.asp
     
    As well:

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties -Thomas Jefferson

    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
     
    And:

    “a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word 'Jesus Christ,' so that it should read 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion,' the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination" -Thomas Jefferson, commenting on proceedings in the Virgina Assembly.
    , @Art
    "“The government of the United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian religion” -John Adams"

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
     
    What way of life produced those sentiments and words? Did those words come out of nothing? That is not the way intellectual progress works. Those words came out of an idealistic mindset, out of an idealistic philosophy of how to treat each other – “all men equal – extend rights – protect life – promote liberty – seek happiness.”

    Was there not an established prevailing mindset that bought those idealistic words into play – was not that philosophical mindset Christian? Did not the people who held those ideals buy into those words?

    Our forefathers were very fearful of establishing a state religion. That is why Adams said what he did. And that is what happened.

    But our forefathers did establish a state that bore the imprint of the Christian philosophy.
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  157. @Ronald Thomas West
    "The government of the United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian religion" -John Adams

    ps, here’s Thomas Paine’s essay on ‘Deism’, a principle accepted by most (and what’s more, embraced by some, e.g Thomas Jefferson) our founders:

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    Every person, of whatever religious denomination he may be, is a DEIST in the first article of his Creed. Deism, from the Latin word Deus, God, is the belief of a God, and this belief is the first article of every man’s creed.

    It is on this article, universally consented to by all mankind, that the Deist builds his church, and here he rests. Whenever we step aside from this article, by mixing it with articles of human invention, we wander into a labyrinth of uncertainty and fable, and become exposed to every kind of imposition by pretenders to revelation.

    The Persian shows the Zend-Avesta of Zoroaster, the lawgiver of Persia, and calls it the divine law; the Bramin shows the Shaster, revealed, he says, by God to Brama, and given to him out of a cloud; the Jew shows what he calls the law of Moses, given, he says, by God, on the Mount Sinai; the Christian shows a collection of books and epistles, written by nobody knows who, and called the New Testament; and the Mahometan shows the Koran, given, he says, by God to Mahomet: each of these calls itself revealed religion, and the only true Word of God, and this the followers of each profess to believe from the habit of education, and each believes the others are imposed upon.

    But when the divine gift of reason begins to expand itself in the mind and calls man to reflection, he then reads and contemplates God and His works, and not in the books pretending to be revelation. The creation is the Bible of the true believer in God. Everything in this vast volume inspires him with sublime ideas of the Creator. The little and paltry, and often obscene, tales of the Bible sink into wretchedness when put in comparison with this mighty work.

    The Deist needs none of those tricks and shows called miracles to confirm his faith, for what can be a greater miracle than the creation itself, and his own existence?

    http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/paine-deism.asp

    As well:

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties -Thomas Jefferson

    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

    And:

    “a singular proposition proved that it’s protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion,’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination” -Thomas Jefferson, commenting on proceedings in the Virgina Assembly.

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  158. geokat62 says:
    @Junior

    now that the West has been more or less civilized – where life is respected and a measure of freedom has been attained, we can just dump what got us there. That makes sense – WRONG. We are doing that. and things are going into the toilet.
     
    It is the Constitution not the Bible that has gotten us to the greatness of our past. It is the corrupting of our politics and no longer following the Constitution that is causing our nation to be flushed down the toilet currently, unless we stop it. And if you are going to say that the Constitution is rooted in the Bible, well then I think that there are a quite a few Greek Philosophers that would say that you are looking at a branch and calling it the root. I think even Plato would say that his teachings were influenced and so even Greek Philosophy isn't the root. It is rooted in Universal Truths. If you are going to say that it is rooted in anything(only because it is the earliest proof we have), I would say that it is rooted in the Code of Hammurabi.

    It is our moving away from the Constitution, which codify the Declaration's Universal Truths of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, that is our problem. Not our moving away from the Bible.

    And on that note, Merry Christmas... oops I mean Merry Christmas AND Happy Holidays EVERYBODY... oops again! I almost forgot, and to Jehovahs Witnesses... I guess, Happy Vacation from Work ;)

    I think that there are a quite a few Greek Philosophers that would say that you are looking at a branch and calling it the root. I think even Plato would say that his teachings were influenced and so even Greek Philosophy isn’t the root. It is rooted in Universal Truths.

    Hi, Jr. Have you ever had the opportunity to read Rebecca Goldstein’s, “Plato at the Googleplex”? I highly recommend it. Here’s an excerpt:

    … the most famous slogan of philosophy emerges: the unexamined life is not worth living. Some… might bristle at a sensed elitism. But Socrates’ statement is only elitist if one assumes that only the few have it in them to examine their lives. The democracy that became again, in the eighteenth century, the most daring political experiment on earth embodies the hope that we many have it in us as well. Instead of an indictment of his city’s daring experiment in democracy, Socrates’ statement can be read as putting forth the stringent condition that alone would allow democracy to flourish. Perhaps Plato did eventually come to a viewpoint that excluded the many from being capable of thinking through their lives in the light of the True-the Beautiful-the Good; but the entire life of Socrates, including that day of his trial as it’s presented by Plato, is evidence of the fact that Socrates continued to cling to hopes for us many.

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    Thanks for the excerpt, Geokat! I have not read it but it looks like I definitely have to add it to my list. Interesting stuff.

    I was looking up some stuff on Confucius and came across this article which made me immediately think of your passage from "Plato at the Googleplex".

    “Isn’t it a joy to study and regularly practice? What’s more, isn’t it a joy to meet comrades from afar? ” These are the opening words of the Analects of Confucius, a small collection of sayings by the ancient pioneer of liberal arts education. The “study” Confucius refers to does not only focus on book learning, but rather on social relationships, and not least, the great virtue of “humanity”. Learning about “humanity”, and trying to realize it in our lives, especially in the company of fellow travellers on the great path or Dao, fills us with a sense of joy. Confucius detests the “proper villager” who unfailingly does the right thing. The problem is that the proper villager does it for the sake of social approbation and not self-cultivation. Instead of “rejoicing in virtue” the “proper villager” steals virtue and uses it as a cloak. Confucius was perhaps the earliest figure to argue that we have the power to transform ourselves. This was a highly subversive position, especially as he insisted that his followers had the power to become a Chunzi, or Noble Person, a title which originally referred to a son of the aristocracy. For Confucius, it didn’t matter who your parents were. If you did not cultivate your humanity you were not worthy of the title “Noble Person,” and not qualified to serve in government.
     
    http://www.pursuit-of-happiness.org/history-of-happiness/confucius/
    , @alexander
    Maybe we should take a cue from Socrates and apply it today..... thus so:

    "The unexamined "War" is not worth "fighting" ...or ...


    "The unexamined "law" is not worth "passing"......or


    "the unexamined "fraud ' is not worth" believing".

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  159. L.K says:

    @KIZA,

    Though your comments tend to be good, your ignorant attack on Viktor Suvorov tells me you have no idea what you are talking about… or worse.

    WWII “history”, whether the anglo-american version or the Soviet flavor of it, is pure bunk. A bunch of self-serving lies by the victors. Anybody with half a brain understands that history is written by the victors and invariably to their own advantage.
    As in “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”― George Orwell, 1984.

    All key Allied countries and particularly the US and the USSR, plus the anti-German war party in Britain, the warmongers led by Churchill( and to a less extent the French and useful idiot Poland) bear a lot of responsability, most of it, for the outbreak of war in Europe, and subsequent escalation into a World War.

    You, Kiza, would very much wish that Suvorov was the only historian making such points about the “great patriotic war”… or at least the only Russian.
    Far from it.
    The official BS-narrative re the Soviet-German clash during WWII does not have a leg to stand on. This is the reason behind Russia’s new legislation against ‘revising’ WWII history. No, I’m not talking about the holohoax, but about the war itself. Just as with the holo, truth need not be shielded from scrutiny. Also most Soviet archives of the era remain sealed.
    The first to realize the official Soviet line was pure nonsense were the Russians themselves.
    As D.W.Michaels wrote:
    One of the earliest Russian revisionists of World War II history was Pyotr Grigorenko, a Soviet Army Major General and highly decorated war veteran who taught at the Frunze Military Academy.[…]he was the first leading Soviet figure to advance the revisionist arguments, which became well known during the 1980s and 1990s, on Stalin’s preparations for aggressive war against Germany. In an article submitted to a major Soviet journal (but rejected, and later published abroad), Grigorenko pointed out that Soviet military forces vastly outnumbered German forces in 1941. Just prior to the German attack on June 22, 1941, more than half of the Soviet forces were in the area near and west of Bialystok, that is, in an area deep in Polish occupied territory. “This deployment could only be justified” wrote Grigorenko, “if these troops were deploying for a surprise offensive. In the event of an enemy attack these troops would soon be encircled.” Which is exactly what happened.

    Since the 1990s, with the partial opening of Soviet archives(closed again), many Russian historians have refined the evidence for Stalin’s agressive aims. An incomplete list of such Russian historians/researchers include:
    Former Soviet intel officer ,Vladimir Bogdanovich Resun(Viktor Suvorow), Russian historian Dr. Mikhail Meltiukhov, V. A. Nevezhin, Colonel V. D. Danilov, Igor Bunich, Irina. V. Pavlova, V. L. Doroshenko, M.Solonin, Constantine Pleshakov, Dr.Alexander Pronin, Prof. Dr. Maria Litowskaja, Colonel Kiselev, Dr. Dschangir Nadschafow, faculty director of the Institute of General History of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    , etc.
    Since the 1990s, many Western historians have reached similar conclusions. Americans such as Albert Weeks, Richard Raack, John Mosier, R.H.S. Stolfi. German and Austrian historians such as Dr.Joachim Hoffmann, Ernst Topitsch, Ernst Nolte, Dr.Werner Maser, Lothar Rühl, Fritz Becker, Dr.Walter Post, Dr.Max Klüver, Wolfgang Strauss, Heinz Magenheimer, French Stéphane Courtois, François Furet, etc.
    Btw, Prof.Weeks wrote of Suvorov’s “The Chief Culprit”: “A remarkable book. A delayed bombshell that includes very pertinent new research and discoveries Suvorov has made since 1990…. None of the ‘new Russian’ historians can match his masterful sweep of research and analysis.”

    W.Strauss lists in his book ‘Unternehmen Barbarossa und der russische Historikerstreit’ ( i highly recommend it for those able to read german )(from a review of it by D.Michaels), the findings of several of the Russian researchers listed above:
    Major findings:
    -Stalin wanted a general European war of exhaustion in which the USSR would intervene at the politically and militarily most expedient moment. Stalin’s main intention is seen in his speech to the Politburo of August 19, 1939.
    -To ignite this, Stalin used the [August 1939] Soviet-German Non-Aggression Pact, which: a) provoked Hitler’s attack against Poland, and b) evoked the declarations of war against Germany by Britain and France. But not against the Soviet Union which also invaded Poland taking half of it.
    -In the event Germany was defeated quickly by Britain and France, Stalin planned to “Sovietize” Germany and establish a “Communist government” there, but with the danger that the victorious capitalist powers would never permit a Communist Germany.
    -In the event France was defeated quickly by Germany, Stalin planned the “Sovietization” of France. “A Communist revolution would seem inevitable, and we could take advantage of this for our own purposes by rushing to aid France and making her our ally. As a result of this, all the nations under the ‘protection’ of a victorious Germany would become our allies.”
    -From the outset Stalin reckoned on a war with Germany, and the Soviet conquest of Germany. To this end, Stalin concentrated on the western border of the USSR operational offensive forces, which were five- to six-times stronger than the Wehrmacht with respect to tanks, aircraft and artillery.
    -With respect to a war of aggression, on May 15, 1941, the Red Army’s Main Political Directorate instructed troop commanders that every war the USSR engaged in, whether defensive or offensive, would have the character of a “just war.”
    -Troop contingents were to be brought up to full strength in all the western military districts; airfields and supply bases to support a forward-strategy were to be built directly behind the border; an attack force of 60 divisions was to be set up in the Ukraine and mountain divisions and a parachute corps were to be established for attack operations.
    -The 16th, 19th, 21st, 22nd and 25th Soviet Armies were transferred from the interior to the western border, and deployed at take-off points for the planned offensive.
    -In his speech of May 5, 1941, to graduate officers of the academies, Stalin said that war with Germany was inevitable, and characterized it as a war not only of a defensive nature but rather of an offensive nature.
    Also, the trouble with the notion of the “peace loving” and “neutral” USSR is that it had already invaded Poland and Finland in 39, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania in 1940 and even after the German-Soviet war started they invaded and occupied Iran in August 1941(together with the British). During world war 2 Bulgaria was in a unique position amongst the European Axis countries in that it did not go to war against the USSR after June 22 1941. Hitler asked Boris III for military assistance but he refused. The Bulgarian monarch would not even allow a Waffen SS recruitment agency for individuals who wanted to enlist. In September 1944 after advancing through Romania to the Bulgarian border the Bulgarian government reminded the USSR that it was neutral in the german-soviet conflict. The Soviet army invaded anyway.
    Japan and the USSR were signatories to a non aggression pact which the Japanese adhered to, refusing German appeals to open a new front to the Soviet rear. But that didn’t stop the Soviets from attacking the Japanese when it suited them after the war in Europe had ended.

    The blame for the millions of Soviet lives lost lie largely at the feet of Stalin and his regime, a mass murderer of Slavs(and other Soviet ethnic groups) both in peace time but also during the war. One can quibble about the exact numbers, which will probably never be known, but what is known, much of it from only partially opened Soviet archives, is horrible enough.
    Before the war started, Hitlers concentration camp system had less than 30.000 people in it. The Gulag had already absorbed millions, not to mention the mass shootings, mass deportations, etc.

    The “Great Patriotic War” is a convenient National Myth that is used to unite Russians. I can understand that, all the victors do the same, using “history” as a tool to advance their agendas, but that doesn’t change the fact that the great Patriotic War narrative is a false one.
    Also, there’s been no lack of Western dupes and fellow travellers parroting Soviet propaganda.

    The narrative of the so called “Great patriotic War” serves as a building block for the Russian Federation, a national myth – many countries have them – necessary to rally the Russian people around their country, identity, flag.

    Russia emerged weak after the break up of the Soviet Empire. It was brutally plundered by the Zio-american empire and those special interests which rule it and by the “Russian” oligarchs. The country was deeply infiltrated by a 5th column, as some Russians refer to them, interested in parking the Russian Federation into the Zio-american empire orbit.
    Failing that, the neocons and other hawks want to encircle and break up the RF.
    Thus, the great patriotic war mythology forms a cornerstone of Russian nationalism today, as it casts the Russian people in the role of “heroic liberators” providing them with an exaggerated, distorted and self-righteous portrait as heroes and main resisters against the evils of ‘Fascism’ during WWII. After all, so the propaganda line goes, they “saved the world” from the clutches of the “evil Nadzee” cannibals who were “attempting to exterminate” the “inferior races” and take over the world.
    Strip the mythology, and what do they end up with? The facts. But the facts just don’t make for good national mythology.

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    Allow me to express my gratitude for this enlightening comment, and the way the facts were marshalled into a cohesive whole.

    Funnily enough I have just finished reading the recently republished book State Secrets by the late Comte Leon de Poncins which covers similar ground and corroborates much of what you wrote.

    Again, my thanks for this most important comment.

    , @Kiza

    ...your ignorant attack on Viktor Suvorov tells me you have no idea what you are talking about… or worse
     
    Ooops, I steered up the Victor Suvorov fan club. I just feel too relaxed on this long weekend to address the long quasi-history that you wrote. In history, there are fashions, as in cloths and shoes. You are a follower, I am not. If you thought that I was defending Stalin's horrible crimes, then either I did not make myself clear or you are just looking for someone to bash verbally.

    Finally, let me ask you just two related questions: are you dumb ... or worse that you do not notice Suvorov using Soviet and Russian interchangeably in his cheap historical comedy show (Did Suvorov ever mention what the nationality of the bank-robber was)? Is this not exactly what the West has been doing since 1991, in all its propaganda?

    I rest my case and will leave you to enjoy your historical fashion until a new one arrives.
    , @Avery
    Poor, misunderstood Nazis.

    They were living peacefully in Germany when these savage mothers holding their babies invaded and started killing unarmed German soldiers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen#/media/File:Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg


    [Hitler’s plans for extermination of Poles were first stated in his 1927 book Mein Kampf. He called for Germans to give up their attempt to regain their former colonies (lost after WWI) and to revert instead to their ancient “Drang nach Osten” (Push Eastwards) so as to conquer new territories for German expansion (“Lebensraum”) in Poland. Twelve years later, in a speech to the leaders of German armed forces on August 22, 1939 Hitler ordered: “Kill without pity or mercy all men, women or children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space (Lebensraum) we need. The destruction of Poland is our primary task. The aim is… annihilation of living forces.” ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [Already in May 1939, four months before the outbreak of war, the German political police, “Gestapo”, created the unit “Zentralstelle IIP Polen” (Central Unit IIP-Poland) under Reinhardt Heydrich to coordinate the ethnic cleansing of all Poles. Two years later at the infamous Wansee Conference, the same Reinhardt Heydrich coordinated the Final Solution for killing of all the Jews. The code name of the ethnic cleansing of Poles was “Tannenberg,” after the German name of a village where in early 15th century a Polish king defeated and repulsed the medieval German “Push Eastward.” Apparently, 600 years later, the remembrance rankled in the minds of some Germans. ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [At first, and still prior to the outbreak of WWII, 2,000 Poles living in Germany were sent to concentration camps, never to return. The Zentralstelle prepared a special list of 61,000 Polish leaders “Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen” (Special Prosecution Book-Poland) prior to the September 1, 1939 German attack on Poland. Within the first few months of the war, all the Poles on the Zentralstelle list were killed outright or sent to concentration camps to die. They included the nobility, priests, university professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers and other community leaders, and even a prominent sportsman who won the gold medal in his category at the Berlin Olympics in 1936. In the first days of September 1939, in order to terrorize the population, an additional 20,000 randomly captured non-Jewish Poles were killed in the Polish fields and streets, in 310 mass murder actions, including in my own hometown.* Stacks of bodies, mostly women and children, were heaped at the very large square in front of the Cathedral Church. At the same time, in September 1939, about 50,000 civilians were killed by the indiscriminate air bombing during the siege of Warsaw, choosing clearly marked hospitals as the first targets.* There I received my first WWII injury. Ninety-five percent of the city’s buildings was destroyed or damaged. The city looked so horrible that tears run down the face of my father, a veteran of four years in WWI, as he came out of the cellar following the first major aerial bombing. Many more such bombings were to follow.] (Dr. Jan Moor-Jankowski * Asterisks denote author’s own experiences)


    {On August 22, 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language."
    Genocide was to be conducted systematically against Polish people: on September 7, 1939 Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy and Jews are to be killed. On September 12, Wilhelm Keitel added the intelligentsia to the list. On March 15, 1940 Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task." At the end of 1940, Hitler confirmed his pronouncement demanding liquidation of "all leading }

    Poor, falsely maligned, misunderstood Nazis.
    If only the revisionists did a better job of whitewashing the crimes of Nazi war criminals.

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  160. L.K says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    better yet, take it up with Viktor Suvorov

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYSy80WlmWY

    --

    Merry Christmas to all.

    The sermon at Christmas Eve candlelight service made the usual comments. But it included this simple reality: The only way to turn an enemy into a friend is not by killing but by loving.

    Solonto, the only problem is that Suvorov only understands the politics of the USSR, concentrates on the Soviet-German relation, but totally overlooks the machinations of the FDR administration and those of the Churchill war party in England. In fact, if Erkki Hautamaki’s theory is correct,( based on the so-called Mannerheim-files, a number of documents in the possession of the Finnish leader ), the secret machinations of the Americans, French and Brits, together with the Soviets, may have been even more sinister.

    Merry Christmas and take care.

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    Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and those you hold dear, L.K.

    I agree that FDR etc. was sinister -- make that evil -- to a depth not even Dante knew to plumb.

    Despite an earlier jibe, time is not a bottomless commodity. Moreover, 5 minutes of informed comment requires 5 days of focused reading and study. When the effort to arrive at reality,* it is confounded by the mountain of lies that have to be disproved, disentangled, and the whole edifice reassembled. Your response (#160) to Kiza reflects half-a-lifetime of work, for which I and the Unz forum are in your debt.

    Ronald Thomas West is engaged in a discussion of US Founders. It is my hypothesis that FDR wrenched the American people and form of Constitutional republicanism so far off of the path the Founders had blazed that it is difficult to contemplate if or how the diversion can be redressed. My Italian forebears preferred to speak of Risorgimento rather than revolution; I think the US needs to rediscover its birthright.
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  161. Old Jew says:
    @Kiza
    The only positive thing in your write up is that you hope that alexander's vision would come through, which is at least some (half good) solution. The rest of your write up is the typical settler bull, big bull. Without going through your settler bull point by point, let me ask you one simple question - who gave the right to any Jew to settle any "government and public land" or to pump water from the valleys onto the hill tops? Let me answer: your "right" came through tanks, bombs and guns of the state of Israel (this is why it owns this land, as you write). Thus what makes you "modern" is that you are more apt at stealing other people's property. Are you referring to taxes settlers pay, which cover about 20% of the cost of those tanks, bombs and guns, whilst the US taxpayer covers about 80% of this cost?

    I am sincerely glad that you are delivering this settler BS here so that everyone can see. It is proof that there are no reasonable people of your kind. At least you are not a Hasbara troll like so many of yours here to manipulate things. You are completely open in claiming your right over something you have no right over, just because you are "modern".

    Dear Kiza,

    You over estimate me. I never fired a gun in my life, last time I was in the West Bank was in 1987 before the first Intifada. I have an agenda. I want Jews to stay alive. I empathize with Arab villagers. When the Army orders them to remain on the East Side of the wall/fence, they are as helpless in front of Authorities as my grandparents in 1941when ordered to take a suitcase and board the trains to TRANSNISTRIA. A month after I was born.

    I tried to understand what makes you such an implacable warrior for Social Justice (National Justice in the West Bank).

    So, I read up some of your previous postings.
    I do not know where you live.
    You may even be an US taxpayer.

    The philosophy pervading your posts seams to be one of a traditional Russian patriot of the type:
    БЕИ ЖИДОВ СПАСИ РОСИЮ (“Smash the Kikes, Save Russia”).

    Why do you militate for a 23rd Arab nation: Palestine. Are the 22 existing Arab states insufficient?

    I do not understand you, neither the settlers. I am secular. I do not believe in the God given right to colonize Yehuda and Shomron.
    Whatever the military does is more a sign of weakness than strength. Trying to swap a fly with a bludgeon. They are not supermen. Not the Middle-East superpower, but more the little shitty (insecure) country.

    Still I want them alive.
    The story about the hill and the valleys, just says: No overlapping. No ground for conflict.
    Live and let live.

    You are entitled to dislike Jews. Or to hate us.

    I am reading Giraldi, and iSteve to try to understand the reason of this undying hatred towards us Jews.

    All you have to do, to keep your “White Arian Race” survive and flourish is to father more children.

    Brooding over Zio-conspiracies will not get you there.

    Israelis are “Modern”. All your arguments about “rights” are Modern. The Arabs conquering
    the Holly lands from the Byzantines did not ask of the rights of the natives. As a matter of fact neither did the Romans, or Alexander, or the Ottomans.

    You apply the rights theory of John Locke and the Declaration of Independence, and mix it with the theory of the Noble Savage and his “undeniable” rights.

    Anyway, visit Israel (or whatever you call it). It will be worth your time and expense.

    sf

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    I for one wish the Israelis well. But they should stop continuing to steal the Palestinians' lands and turn the rest of it into a controlled Bantustan. While no doubt Muslims are savages and so on, if the boot were on the other foot, the Jews would be doing the same thing. Nobody likes to be cheated or forced off their lands.
    , @Kiza
    I really do not want to engage in one of those endless discussions common on unz.com. What I wrote before I stand by. I would only add to your:

    I just want them to survive
     
    that nobody has a God-given right to "survive" by killing others. It is common for thieves and murderers to say that they did it in self-defense and this is exactly what you are writing, no surprise there. Thus, you have just added "the right to survive" to the "modernity" as justifications for your thieving and murdering in Palestine.

    If you read my comments enough, you would have understood that I am neither Russian nor a US tax payer. But, if you call Giraldi anti-Jewish instead of anti-Likudnik-influence-over-US, then there is nothing in my comments for you. Just go back to your cheap but comforting sloganeering such as: "БЕИ ЖИДОВ СПАСИ РОСИЮ". This is the universal strategy of the Zionists - always accuse anti-Zionists of anti-Semitism, because you the Zionists are the best part of the Jewish religion/ethnicity. We all hate you for your freedoms.
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  162. Art says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    "The government of the United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian religion" -John Adams

    ““The government of the United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian religion” -John Adams”

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    What way of life produced those sentiments and words? Did those words come out of nothing? That is not the way intellectual progress works. Those words came out of an idealistic mindset, out of an idealistic philosophy of how to treat each other – “all men equal – extend rights – protect life – promote liberty – seek happiness.”

    Was there not an established prevailing mindset that bought those idealistic words into play – was not that philosophical mindset Christian? Did not the people who held those ideals buy into those words?

    Our forefathers were very fearful of establishing a state religion. That is why Adams said what he did. And that is what happened.

    But our forefathers did establish a state that bore the imprint of the Christian philosophy.

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    I think you're ignoring Paine's deism at you peril. Jefferson, who authored the Declaration, also said:

    “a singular proposition proved that it’s protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion,’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination” -Thomas Jefferson, commenting on proceedings in the Virgina Assembly.

    How do you reconcile the two except Jefferson embraced Paine's Deism? There is nothing in the declaration at odds with Paine's radical interpretation of 'natural rights' where discovering deity can spring from multiple sources or religions but only a single source, creation itself, is valid and shared within all religions.

    , @RobinG
    Don't forget the butchery of Spain in S.America in the name of Christianity. Now Christians are brutalizing the ME (even if for the sake of Jews, that is only part of the motive) but refusing to deal with the consequences.

    Here's a link, thanks to 'Carthage' -
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/25/merry-christmas-hundreds-of-millions-crushed-the-the-cross/
    "Hundreds of millions, all over the world, have died so that “the message of Jesus” could live. Millions are still dying now, so that Christian fundamentalists can manipulate, rule and plunder the world, unopposed."
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  163. @Art
    "“The government of the United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian religion” -John Adams"

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
     
    What way of life produced those sentiments and words? Did those words come out of nothing? That is not the way intellectual progress works. Those words came out of an idealistic mindset, out of an idealistic philosophy of how to treat each other – “all men equal – extend rights – protect life – promote liberty – seek happiness.”

    Was there not an established prevailing mindset that bought those idealistic words into play – was not that philosophical mindset Christian? Did not the people who held those ideals buy into those words?

    Our forefathers were very fearful of establishing a state religion. That is why Adams said what he did. And that is what happened.

    But our forefathers did establish a state that bore the imprint of the Christian philosophy.

    I think you’re ignoring Paine’s deism at you peril. Jefferson, who authored the Declaration, also said:

    “a singular proposition proved that it’s protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion,’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination” -Thomas Jefferson, commenting on proceedings in the Virgina Assembly.

    How do you reconcile the two except Jefferson embraced Paine’s Deism? There is nothing in the declaration at odds with Paine’s radical interpretation of ‘natural rights’ where discovering deity can spring from multiple sources or religions but only a single source, creation itself, is valid and shared within all religions.

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    "I think you’re ignoring Paine’s deism at you peril. Jefferson, who authored the Declaration, also said:"

    Thomas Paine is a major hero – I am a deist – I believe in God the creator – I believe that God does not play in the universe. I am not a religious type – I am a philosophical Christian.

    You keep talking religion – religion – religion. I keep talking philosophy – philosophy – philosophy.

    God's universe has afforded we humans something very special – something unique among biological species. We can form and us words describing our surroundings and ourselves. We can create knowledge. Those knowledgeable words make life easier for us. We can pass those words on from generation to generation, accumulating more accurate knowledge as we go. One of the finest things that can be said about we humans, is that we give credit to those who create new knowledge by naming it after them.

    A philosophy is a complete summation, a body of thought, a total knowledgeable viewpoint of how we comprehend the universe. Each of us has a philosophy for living – we use it to guide our current actions that lead to tomorrow's possibilities. Clearly some philosophies work better then others.

    Without question Jesus Christ viewed himself as a religious figure – he tied himself to a hopeful forgiving God. He was a product of his time. A benevolent God was the dream of all of humanity.

    But Jesus did more then supply us with a benevolent God – he left us with some philosophical words to live by. He put into words a set of ideals to act on. Live with hope, respect life, seek the truth, forgive, love your neighbor as you love yourself. There is no question – when we act on those ideals, life gets better and better. There is nothing in those words that speaks of God. Those words are all temporal in nature. They are philosophical words.

    Implied in the words “love your neighbor as you love yourself” is that notion that your neighbor can be someone different then you. That means different tribe, different sect, different social status. Doesn't that ideal make it possible to write the Declaration of Independence, the “We the People” of the preamble, the Bill of Rights?

    Even today it is only in “idealistic Christian” countries that a measure of fairness and freedom can flourish.

    So I chose to give Jesus Christ credit where credit is do – I am an unabashed philosophical Christian.
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  164. @L.K
    Solonto, the only problem is that Suvorov only understands the politics of the USSR, concentrates on the Soviet-German relation, but totally overlooks the machinations of the FDR administration and those of the Churchill war party in England. In fact, if Erkki Hautamaki's theory is correct,( based on the so-called Mannerheim-files, a number of documents in the possession of the Finnish leader ), the secret machinations of the Americans, French and Brits, together with the Soviets, may have been even more sinister.

    Merry Christmas and take care.

    Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and those you hold dear, L.K.

    I agree that FDR etc. was sinister — make that evil — to a depth not even Dante knew to plumb.

    Despite an earlier jibe, time is not a bottomless commodity. Moreover, 5 minutes of informed comment requires 5 days of focused reading and study. When the effort to arrive at reality,* it is confounded by the mountain of lies that have to be disproved, disentangled, and the whole edifice reassembled. Your response (#160) to Kiza reflects half-a-lifetime of work, for which I and the Unz forum are in your debt.

    Ronald Thomas West is engaged in a discussion of US Founders. It is my hypothesis that FDR wrenched the American people and form of Constitutional republicanism so far off of the path the Founders had blazed that it is difficult to contemplate if or how the diversion can be redressed. My Italian forebears preferred to speak of Risorgimento rather than revolution; I think the US needs to rediscover its birthright.

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    Thanks for the flowers Solonto and schmenz.

    Solonto:
    "time is not a bottomless commodity"

    That's right, so much to do, so little time!

    Btw, I'm Italian on my mothers side, from Veneto and Piedmont.
    Ah, Bella Italia!
    The following vid from Cesena, Italy, always makes me feel better, even if/when i'm having a shitty day.
    1000 musicians from all over Italy got together in the summer of 2015, and played 'Learn to Fly' by Foo Fighters to ask Dave Grohl to go play in Cesena, Italy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JozAmXo2bDE
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  165. Ivan says:
    @Rurik

    Obama’s “war on Syria” has more to do with the blockade of Russian Fleet in Syrian ports & is simply a mess many hubristic politicians wade off into frequently
     
    Have you ever heard of the Golan Heights?

    Do you know who's drilling for oil there right now?

    But is it their land?

    So yes, it does have to do with oil and weapons too! And there are other actors involved, not just Israel. But to pretend that Israel wields negligible influence on American foreign policy especially as regards the wars on Iraq and Syria is disingenuous, to say the least.

    Have you ever heard of the neocons Bardon?

    do you know who Pearl and Wolfowitz are? How about Netanyahu, have you heard of him?

    Do you know that Netanyahoo had the nads to lecture our president from the podium of the capital in front of an obsequious congress, and demand that they do more to foment war with Iran?

    How's that for chutzpah, eh?

    I suppose if you were talking to a middle schooler or a watcher of Faux "News" and were trying to convince them of this twaddle, that perhaps you'd get somewhere. But this site is pretty darn savvy, and your comments just come off as so much shilling for the Likudniks.

    Good luck with that

    (thanks Geok ; )

    Further to your points, let Bardon do this thought experiment: Suppose that while Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar supported deposing Assad while Israel was totally against it, how does he think this would fly among the whores in Congress? Surely in the interests of tiny, beleaguered Israel, they would do an about turn. Suddenly the newspapers will be full of articles of how the Assads are a modern progressive family. Mrs Assad is seen nowhere with a hijab, and is quite the looker. And life interest articles will be full of the Assads celebrating Christmas with the Christians in Damascus. But since it does not suit the interests of Israelis, the chant is repeated “Assad must go”, since he is close to the Iranians.

    The Zionists have really screwed up the lives of millions across the Middle East with their thoroughgoing and comprehensive lies. The latest IAEA report on the (non-existent) Iranian nuclear programme, gives an example of the unashamed way in the Israelis had lied for the last 12 years. They were aching to get thousands of Iranians killed But will the buggers ever apologise for it? No, they will bring up the Holocaust rag, to silence everyone.

    I would not be surprised either if the hasbara are working on connecting the IAEA Director General to the Fukushima disaster, to undermine his credibility, as that has always been their MO. Pick on trivialities and make a song and dance about it.

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    Suppose that while Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar supported deposing Assad while Israel was totally against it, how does he think this would fly among the whores in Congress? Surely in the interests of tiny, beleaguered Israel, they would do an about turn.
     
    'No Daylight' Between Israel, U.S'

    to get thousands [sic] of Iranians killed But will the buggers ever apologise for it? No, they will bring up the Holocaust rag, to silence everyone.
     
    only for as long as that particular blood libel works Ivan -
    on the day that no one gives a fuck about that smear anymore, it will become as impotent as a shrunken head
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  166. Ivan says:
    @Mark Green
    Actually, the case can be made that the systematic annihilation of Germans by munitions and fire during WWII was as inhumane (or nearly so) as the alleged 'gassing' and murder of 'six million Jews'.

    The death and suffering on all sides was staggering. But as many as 12 million Germans died during the War. Therefore, it's unbalanced to focus only on just one group's losses. After all, no fewer than 40 million humans perished in this war (perhaps more). And the alleged number of Jewish causalities remains forensically unsubstantiated.

    The actual body-count in the camps was (though horrific) relatively small when compared to the vast and visible destruction of German cities and towns over five years of continuous allied bombing, invasion and warfare.

    Further, following WWII, the Red Cross estimated one million Jewish deaths in the camps.

    So the claim of six million Jews were deliberately 'murdered' while being held captive by Germany might be a gross and politicized exaggeration. After all, many concentration camp victims died of disease, starvation and malnutrition towards the war's end. And there was never a census of Jews in Europe before WWII or immediately after.

    Nevertheless, just doubting the 'official' number of Jewish deaths in WWII is now a criminal offense in much of the Western world, including Canada. A criminal offense.

    Indeed, it's 'Holocaust Denial' that is now treated like one of the world's Great Crises. This is absurd. But revealing. It reminds us again of who dominates TV, 'mainstream' news and opinion, Hollywood, publishing, and our political universe.

    Today, vast speech restrictions have been implemented in most of Europe to combat 'hate speech'. Yet there are no restrictions on advocating 'preemptive' war. Who benefits?

    Anti Fee Speech laws (strategic censorship) exist in some 18 Western countries. They also criminalize 'Holocaust Denial' and 'anti-Semitism'.

    As for the actual number of Jewish dead in WWII, 'facts' should require no legal protection. Should we arrest 'creationists' for denying evolution? Absurd.

    Let science and scholarship settle these arguments.

    Therefore, Jewish intolerance of dissent concerning this one vital 'fact' of WWII is highly suspicious. It's clear that Israel needs 'The Holocaust' to justify its Mideast colonizati0n since 'The Holocaust' helps make Jews unassailable.

    One ugly fact however is true:

    Claims of 'six million Jews' being slaughtered go back to the 19th century. The 19th century. And those claims were false. Totally false.

    Published claims of 'six million Jews' being killed were also common during WWI. That's even more false claims. (See: 'The First Holocaust').

    It was Jewish activists who cooked up these fabrications. These libelous charges received wide and respected coverage in numerous US newspapers. It's a fact. Easy to prove. Do you doubt this? Google it. See the archival newspapers themselves. 'Six million Jews'. Before WWII.

    Jewish claims about Jewish genocide prior to WWII are as common and clear and as the widespread (but largely unknown) Jewish involvement in the slave-trade during the 17th, 18th and early 19th century. It's all ugly and it's all undeniably true.

    Nation of Islam published a book that shows dozens of archival slave posters which prove this 'special relationship' between blacks and Jews. This is not to single out Jews for sins that were widely committed. But this insufferable 'always innocent' myth must be put to rest. Jewish ethnocentrism has reached epic proportions.

    As for WWII, some twelve million Germans died during that war. Maybe more. Maybe less. Plus, eight million Ukranians and perhaps as many as twenty million Russians were killed. Why are their lives so unimportant?

    Indeed, the artificial centrality of 'The Holocaust' trivializes the suffering of humanity.

    In the book, 'Out of Control', author and statesman, Zbigniew Brezinski, estimated that some 220,000,000 people died in wars in the 20th century alone. Two hundred and twenty million. Why is this staggering fact of so little interest? And so unknown?

    It should be remembered that books were published before WWII which advocated total German annihilation. (See: 'Germany Must Perish'). Propaganda of this kind only helped bring on WWII. Should we not strive to look at the complete picture?

    Today, we have Jewish-dominated 'think tanks', billionaire donors, mega-rich 'philanthropists' and concentrated media conglomerates that endorse, justify, help orchestrate, and spearhead Zio-America's globe-trotting 'War on Terror', not to mention violent 'regime-change' in nations deemed hostile to you-know-who.

    There are also independent agents of war like George Soros, Haim Sabin and Sheldon Adelson who fund the operatives, Parties, and sometimes (in the case of Soros) even or the conflicts themselves.

    If these operatives have their way, Assad's Syria is going down and after that, Iran. Lebanon and Putin's Russia are also in the cross-hairs. Who benefits?

    This is bad karma, dude.

    As early as 1933, Jews spearheaded a global economic war on Germany. Economic war on Germany. 1933. Early on. Preemption. Not unlike Iraq in 2003 and Libya in 2011. But 'first strike' wars are criminal.

    As for Germany, millions of helpless civilians were decimated via wholesale arial bombing campaigns. Hundreds of thousands of German women and children were burned alive in Dresden, in Hamberg, in Berlin and dozens of other cities. Entire families and communities were annihilated. This, too, was a holocaust. Many of these horrific crimes preceded Hitler's 'death camps'.

    During WWII, Jews were highly active and influential in Washington, NY, London, Paris and in the pro-war media. Just like now. Aviator and soldier, Charles Lindbergh, complained about this. So did Henry Ford. Even the Kennedy's.

    Zio-Washington's present course of action is wrong. Serial, pr0-Zionist wars must be halted. Washington's 'blank check' for Israel must be revoked. America must regain its sovereignty.

    Further to your points, let Bardon do this thought experiment: Suppose that while Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar supported deposing Assad while Israel was totally against it, how does he think this would fly among the whores in Congress? Surely in the interests of tiny, beleaguered Israel, they would do an about turn. Suddenly the newspapers will be full of articles of how the Assads are a modern progressive family. Mrs Assad is seen nowhere with a hijab, and is quite the looker. And life interest articles will be full of the Assads celebrating Christmas with the Christians in Damascus. But since it does not suit the interests of Israelis, the chant is repeated “Assad must go”, since he is close to the Iranians.

    The Zionists have really screwed up the lives of millions across the Middle East with their thoroughgoing and comprehensive lies. The latest IAEA report on the (non-existent) Iranian nuclear programme, gives an example of the unashamed way in the Israelis had lied for the last 12 years. They were aching to get thousands of Iranians killed But will the buggers ever apologise for it? No, they will bring up the Holocaust rag, to silence everyone.

    I would not be surprised either if the hasbara are working on connecting the IAEA Director General to the Fukushima disaster, to undermine his credibility, as that has always been their MO. Pick on trivialities and make a song and dance about it.

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  167. Ivan says:
    @Mark Green
    Actually, the case can be made that the systematic annihilation of Germans by munitions and fire during WWII was as inhumane (or nearly so) as the alleged 'gassing' and murder of 'six million Jews'.

    The death and suffering on all sides was staggering. But as many as 12 million Germans died during the War. Therefore, it's unbalanced to focus only on just one group's losses. After all, no fewer than 40 million humans perished in this war (perhaps more). And the alleged number of Jewish causalities remains forensically unsubstantiated.

    The actual body-count in the camps was (though horrific) relatively small when compared to the vast and visible destruction of German cities and towns over five years of continuous allied bombing, invasion and warfare.

    Further, following WWII, the Red Cross estimated one million Jewish deaths in the camps.

    So the claim of six million Jews were deliberately 'murdered' while being held captive by Germany might be a gross and politicized exaggeration. After all, many concentration camp victims died of disease, starvation and malnutrition towards the war's end. And there was never a census of Jews in Europe before WWII or immediately after.

    Nevertheless, just doubting the 'official' number of Jewish deaths in WWII is now a criminal offense in much of the Western world, including Canada. A criminal offense.

    Indeed, it's 'Holocaust Denial' that is now treated like one of the world's Great Crises. This is absurd. But revealing. It reminds us again of who dominates TV, 'mainstream' news and opinion, Hollywood, publishing, and our political universe.

    Today, vast speech restrictions have been implemented in most of Europe to combat 'hate speech'. Yet there are no restrictions on advocating 'preemptive' war. Who benefits?

    Anti Fee Speech laws (strategic censorship) exist in some 18 Western countries. They also criminalize 'Holocaust Denial' and 'anti-Semitism'.

    As for the actual number of Jewish dead in WWII, 'facts' should require no legal protection. Should we arrest 'creationists' for denying evolution? Absurd.

    Let science and scholarship settle these arguments.

    Therefore, Jewish intolerance of dissent concerning this one vital 'fact' of WWII is highly suspicious. It's clear that Israel needs 'The Holocaust' to justify its Mideast colonizati0n since 'The Holocaust' helps make Jews unassailable.

    One ugly fact however is true:

    Claims of 'six million Jews' being slaughtered go back to the 19th century. The 19th century. And those claims were false. Totally false.

    Published claims of 'six million Jews' being killed were also common during WWI. That's even more false claims. (See: 'The First Holocaust').

    It was Jewish activists who cooked up these fabrications. These libelous charges received wide and respected coverage in numerous US newspapers. It's a fact. Easy to prove. Do you doubt this? Google it. See the archival newspapers themselves. 'Six million Jews'. Before WWII.

    Jewish claims about Jewish genocide prior to WWII are as common and clear and as the widespread (but largely unknown) Jewish involvement in the slave-trade during the 17th, 18th and early 19th century. It's all ugly and it's all undeniably true.

    Nation of Islam published a book that shows dozens of archival slave posters which prove this 'special relationship' between blacks and Jews. This is not to single out Jews for sins that were widely committed. But this insufferable 'always innocent' myth must be put to rest. Jewish ethnocentrism has reached epic proportions.

    As for WWII, some twelve million Germans died during that war. Maybe more. Maybe less. Plus, eight million Ukranians and perhaps as many as twenty million Russians were killed. Why are their lives so unimportant?

    Indeed, the artificial centrality of 'The Holocaust' trivializes the suffering of humanity.

    In the book, 'Out of Control', author and statesman, Zbigniew Brezinski, estimated that some 220,000,000 people died in wars in the 20th century alone. Two hundred and twenty million. Why is this staggering fact of so little interest? And so unknown?

    It should be remembered that books were published before WWII which advocated total German annihilation. (See: 'Germany Must Perish'). Propaganda of this kind only helped bring on WWII. Should we not strive to look at the complete picture?

    Today, we have Jewish-dominated 'think tanks', billionaire donors, mega-rich 'philanthropists' and concentrated media conglomerates that endorse, justify, help orchestrate, and spearhead Zio-America's globe-trotting 'War on Terror', not to mention violent 'regime-change' in nations deemed hostile to you-know-who.

    There are also independent agents of war like George Soros, Haim Sabin and Sheldon Adelson who fund the operatives, Parties, and sometimes (in the case of Soros) even or the conflicts themselves.

    If these operatives have their way, Assad's Syria is going down and after that, Iran. Lebanon and Putin's Russia are also in the cross-hairs. Who benefits?

    This is bad karma, dude.

    As early as 1933, Jews spearheaded a global economic war on Germany. Economic war on Germany. 1933. Early on. Preemption. Not unlike Iraq in 2003 and Libya in 2011. But 'first strike' wars are criminal.

    As for Germany, millions of helpless civilians were decimated via wholesale arial bombing campaigns. Hundreds of thousands of German women and children were burned alive in Dresden, in Hamberg, in Berlin and dozens of other cities. Entire families and communities were annihilated. This, too, was a holocaust. Many of these horrific crimes preceded Hitler's 'death camps'.

    During WWII, Jews were highly active and influential in Washington, NY, London, Paris and in the pro-war media. Just like now. Aviator and soldier, Charles Lindbergh, complained about this. So did Henry Ford. Even the Kennedy's.

    Zio-Washington's present course of action is wrong. Serial, pr0-Zionist wars must be halted. Washington's 'blank check' for Israel must be revoked. America must regain its sovereignty.

    Till about two decades ago, we were assured that 4 million died at Auschwitz, this number has snce been revised down to 1.1 million. In the interest of truth the Holocaust industry should tell us how such a substantial revision has taken place, Instead they choose to double down and claim that the number of “concentration camps” surpass 40,000 and thus possibly the difference 4 – 1.1 = 2.9 millions died all over Germany.

    I have a simpler explanation; the Germans confessed to anything since the preferred method of the those dispensing what passed for justice at Nuremberg, was to crush the testicles of the defendants. It is reasonable to assume, that the average defendant will confess to raping his grandmother, mother and daughter under those circumstances.

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  168. Ivan says:
    @Old Jew
    Dear Alexander,

    Prophetic Image. great vision.

    If possible try to visit Israel and the West Bank.

    I did.
    Here are some observations:

    Most of the land in what you call Palestine was owned by the state (Ottoman Empire, then British Empire, then Jordan, then Israel.

    The preponderance of Settlements are on these state lands.

    There a few case where Palestinian Arabs claim some settlement land as private property. It is mostly custom. Few can produce Title to these lands.

    You may notice: The preponderance (perhaps all) settlements are on the hill tops.

    The Arab villages are deep in the valleys. In the valleys there is naturally flowing spring water.

    The hill are barren. Settlement of hill tops became possible, after pumping (with electricity
    driven pumps) became available. That means modern people. Jews.

    The Arab villages date to earlier more pastoral eras. Before electricity. Very bucolic. ...and ecological..[ as long the population does not grow in leaps and bounds].

    So the settlers and Arabs are not stepping on each others toes. As long as settlers work only in their own local industries, or work in Israel and use the settlement as inexpensive housing there is no conflict.

    Conflict is caused by grazing lands. Arabs (in way smaller numbers than today) had their sheep grazing on state lands in Ottoman times. Settlers may want this land for their herds. After all they are taxpayers, (the Palestinians are not) so why shall they give priority to the Arabs.

    This the recipe for stone throwing, arson, fiery political statements, etc..

    I do not have a solution to this quagmire. nevertheless I wish your vision to come true.

    sf

    It is an old and well-worn trick of the Zionists to claim, that since Arab lands that were held in common such as say the playgrounds and open fields, belonged to no one, that therefore those should be posted on the Israeli side of the ledger because they are such great people. Now if I were to come to Israel and claim a large part of the Negev desert since it belongs to no one, would you accept it? If there is a long beach “belonging to no one” can I claim it? Can I go to the US and claim the Rockies by similar reasoning?

    As to your implied claim that the Arabs were desert nomads while the Zionists were great modernisers who made “the desert bloom.” this s given the lie by the comprehensive Survey of Palestine, conducted by the British authorities. There you will find that the Palestinian Arabs were competitive at every level, and in fact beat the Jews in terms of productivity and enterprise

    http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story665.html

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  169. Ivan says:
    @Old Jew
    Dear Kiza,

    You over estimate me. I never fired a gun in my life, last time I was in the West Bank was in 1987 before the first Intifada. I have an agenda. I want Jews to stay alive. I empathize with Arab villagers. When the Army orders them to remain on the East Side of the wall/fence, they are as helpless in front of Authorities as my grandparents in 1941when ordered to take a suitcase and board the trains to TRANSNISTRIA. A month after I was born.

    I tried to understand what makes you such an implacable warrior for Social Justice (National Justice in the West Bank).

    So, I read up some of your previous postings.
    I do not know where you live.
    You may even be an US taxpayer.

    The philosophy pervading your posts seams to be one of a traditional Russian patriot of the type:
    БЕИ ЖИДОВ СПАСИ РОСИЮ ("Smash the Kikes, Save Russia").

    Why do you militate for a 23rd Arab nation: Palestine. Are the 22 existing Arab states insufficient?

    I do not understand you, neither the settlers. I am secular. I do not believe in the God given right to colonize Yehuda and Shomron.
    Whatever the military does is more a sign of weakness than strength. Trying to swap a fly with a bludgeon. They are not supermen. Not the Middle-East superpower, but more the little shitty (insecure) country.

    Still I want them alive.
    The story about the hill and the valleys, just says: No overlapping. No ground for conflict.
    Live and let live.

    You are entitled to dislike Jews. Or to hate us.

    I am reading Giraldi, and iSteve to try to understand the reason of this undying hatred towards us Jews.

    All you have to do, to keep your "White Arian Race" survive and flourish is to father more children.

    Brooding over Zio-conspiracies will not get you there.

    Israelis are "Modern". All your arguments about "rights" are Modern. The Arabs conquering
    the Holly lands from the Byzantines did not ask of the rights of the natives. As a matter of fact neither did the Romans, or Alexander, or the Ottomans.

    You apply the rights theory of John Locke and the Declaration of Independence, and mix it with the theory of the Noble Savage and his "undeniable" rights.

    Anyway, visit Israel (or whatever you call it). It will be worth your time and expense.


    sf

    I for one wish the Israelis well. But they should stop continuing to steal the Palestinians’ lands and turn the rest of it into a controlled Bantustan. While no doubt Muslims are savages and so on, if the boot were on the other foot, the Jews would be doing the same thing. Nobody likes to be cheated or forced off their lands.

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    Ivan,

    I agree with you.

    See my reply to Kiza.

    Injustice was done. Arabs from Palestine were/are not guilty/responsible for the Holocaust.

    After 1945 Jews were an endangered species, so UN decided (in 1947) to create a natural refuge for them, in the Holly Land. Arabs were not consulted, or overridden.

    Most of the Israeli Army are born in Israel. Where shall they go back to, their mother's Poland or their father's Morocco?

    Arabs claiming their right to return were born in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan (in refugee camps).

    It would be great if their lands of birth, let them build a future.

    On "Stolen Land" or not, the Israeli soldiers will not return their apartments, to the grandchildren of the 1948 Arab refugees.

    God knows what the future will bring, but my wish is: Israel shall survive.

    sf
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  170. Art says:
    @Ronald Thomas West
    I think you're ignoring Paine's deism at you peril. Jefferson, who authored the Declaration, also said:

    “a singular proposition proved that it’s protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion,’ the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination” -Thomas Jefferson, commenting on proceedings in the Virgina Assembly.

    How do you reconcile the two except Jefferson embraced Paine's Deism? There is nothing in the declaration at odds with Paine's radical interpretation of 'natural rights' where discovering deity can spring from multiple sources or religions but only a single source, creation itself, is valid and shared within all religions.

    “I think you’re ignoring Paine’s deism at you peril. Jefferson, who authored the Declaration, also said:”

    Thomas Paine is a major hero – I am a deist – I believe in God the creator – I believe that God does not play in the universe. I am not a religious type – I am a philosophical Christian.

    You keep talking religion – religion – religion. I keep talking philosophy – philosophy – philosophy.

    God’s universe has afforded we humans something very special – something unique among biological species. We can form and us words describing our surroundings and ourselves. We can create knowledge. Those knowledgeable words make life easier for us. We can pass those words on from generation to generation, accumulating more accurate knowledge as we go. One of the finest things that can be said about we humans, is that we give credit to those who create new knowledge by naming it after them.

    A philosophy is a complete summation, a body of thought, a total knowledgeable viewpoint of how we comprehend the universe. Each of us has a philosophy for living – we use it to guide our current actions that lead to tomorrow’s possibilities. Clearly some philosophies work better then others.

    Without question Jesus Christ viewed himself as a religious figure – he tied himself to a hopeful forgiving God. He was a product of his time. A benevolent God was the dream of all of humanity.

    But Jesus did more then supply us with a benevolent God – he left us with some philosophical words to live by. He put into words a set of ideals to act on. Live with hope, respect life, seek the truth, forgive, love your neighbor as you love yourself. There is no question – when we act on those ideals, life gets better and better. There is nothing in those words that speaks of God. Those words are all temporal in nature. They are philosophical words.

    Implied in the words “love your neighbor as you love yourself” is that notion that your neighbor can be someone different then you. That means different tribe, different sect, different social status. Doesn’t that ideal make it possible to write the Declaration of Independence, the “We the People” of the preamble, the Bill of Rights?

    Even today it is only in “idealistic Christian” countries that a measure of fairness and freedom can flourish.

    So I chose to give Jesus Christ credit where credit is do – I am an unabashed philosophical Christian.

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    You write

    "Even today it is only in “idealistic Christian” countries that a measure of fairness and freedom can flourish"

    That mistaken assertion is deeply infected with a Christian supremacist understanding or one could say a 'religious' value. Not so far removed from the Inquisition, actually.

    Torquemada, Tomás de |ˌtôrkəˈmädə, ˌtôrkāˈmäT͟Hä|
    ( c.1420–98), Spanish cleric and Grand Inquisitor. A Dominican monk and confessor to Ferdinand and Isabella, he was the prime mover behind the Inquisition in 1478 and the expulsion of the Jews from Spain beginning in 1492.

    Certainly the inquisitors entertained similar thoughts in relation to themselves and in all sincerity.
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  171. schmenz says:
    @L.K
    @KIZA,

    Though your comments tend to be good, your ignorant attack on Viktor Suvorov tells me you have no idea what you are talking about... or worse.

    WWII “history”, whether the anglo-american version or the Soviet flavor of it, is pure bunk. A bunch of self-serving lies by the victors. Anybody with half a brain understands that history is written by the victors and invariably to their own advantage.
    As in “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”― George Orwell, 1984.

    All key Allied countries and particularly the US and the USSR, plus the anti-German war party in Britain, the warmongers led by Churchill( and to a less extent the French and useful idiot Poland) bear a lot of responsability, most of it, for the outbreak of war in Europe, and subsequent escalation into a World War.

    You, Kiza, would very much wish that Suvorov was the only historian making such points about the "great patriotic war"... or at least the only Russian.
    Far from it.
    The official BS-narrative re the Soviet-German clash during WWII does not have a leg to stand on. This is the reason behind Russia’s new legislation against ‘revising’ WWII history. No, I’m not talking about the holohoax, but about the war itself. Just as with the holo, truth need not be shielded from scrutiny. Also most Soviet archives of the era remain sealed.
    The first to realize the official Soviet line was pure nonsense were the Russians themselves.
    As D.W.Michaels wrote:
    One of the earliest Russian revisionists of World War II history was Pyotr Grigorenko, a Soviet Army Major General and highly decorated war veteran who taught at the Frunze Military Academy.[…]he was the first leading Soviet figure to advance the revisionist arguments, which became well known during the 1980s and 1990s, on Stalin’s preparations for aggressive war against Germany. In an article submitted to a major Soviet journal (but rejected, and later published abroad), Grigorenko pointed out that Soviet military forces vastly outnumbered German forces in 1941. Just prior to the German attack on June 22, 1941, more than half of the Soviet forces were in the area near and west of Bialystok, that is, in an area deep in Polish occupied territory. “This deployment could only be justified” wrote Grigorenko, “if these troops were deploying for a surprise offensive. In the event of an enemy attack these troops would soon be encircled.” Which is exactly what happened.

    Since the 1990s, with the partial opening of Soviet archives(closed again), many Russian historians have refined the evidence for Stalin’s agressive aims. An incomplete list of such Russian historians/researchers include:
    Former Soviet intel officer ,Vladimir Bogdanovich Resun(Viktor Suvorow), Russian historian Dr. Mikhail Meltiukhov, V. A. Nevezhin, Colonel V. D. Danilov, Igor Bunich, Irina. V. Pavlova, V. L. Doroshenko, M.Solonin, Constantine Pleshakov, Dr.Alexander Pronin, Prof. Dr. Maria Litowskaja, Colonel Kiselev, Dr. Dschangir Nadschafow, faculty director of the Institute of General History of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    , etc.
    Since the 1990s, many Western historians have reached similar conclusions. Americans such as Albert Weeks, Richard Raack, John Mosier, R.H.S. Stolfi. German and Austrian historians such as Dr.Joachim Hoffmann, Ernst Topitsch, Ernst Nolte, Dr.Werner Maser, Lothar Rühl, Fritz Becker, Dr.Walter Post, Dr.Max Klüver, Wolfgang Strauss, Heinz Magenheimer, French Stéphane Courtois, François Furet, etc.
    Btw, Prof.Weeks wrote of Suvorov's "The Chief Culprit": "A remarkable book. A delayed bombshell that includes very pertinent new research and discoveries Suvorov has made since 1990.... None of the 'new Russian' historians can match his masterful sweep of research and analysis."

    W.Strauss lists in his book ‘Unternehmen Barbarossa und der russische Historikerstreit’ ( i highly recommend it for those able to read german )(from a review of it by D.Michaels), the findings of several of the Russian researchers listed above:
    Major findings:
    -Stalin wanted a general European war of exhaustion in which the USSR would intervene at the politically and militarily most expedient moment. Stalin’s main intention is seen in his speech to the Politburo of August 19, 1939.
    -To ignite this, Stalin used the [August 1939] Soviet-German Non-Aggression Pact, which: a) provoked Hitler’s attack against Poland, and b) evoked the declarations of war against Germany by Britain and France. But not against the Soviet Union which also invaded Poland taking half of it.
    -In the event Germany was defeated quickly by Britain and France, Stalin planned to “Sovietize” Germany and establish a “Communist government” there, but with the danger that the victorious capitalist powers would never permit a Communist Germany.
    -In the event France was defeated quickly by Germany, Stalin planned the “Sovietization” of France. “A Communist revolution would seem inevitable, and we could take advantage of this for our own purposes by rushing to aid France and making her our ally. As a result of this, all the nations under the ‘protection’ of a victorious Germany would become our allies.”
    -From the outset Stalin reckoned on a war with Germany, and the Soviet conquest of Germany. To this end, Stalin concentrated on the western border of the USSR operational offensive forces, which were five- to six-times stronger than the Wehrmacht with respect to tanks, aircraft and artillery.
    -With respect to a war of aggression, on May 15, 1941, the Red Army’s Main Political Directorate instructed troop commanders that every war the USSR engaged in, whether defensive or offensive, would have the character of a “just war.”
    -Troop contingents were to be brought up to full strength in all the western military districts; airfields and supply bases to support a forward-strategy were to be built directly behind the border; an attack force of 60 divisions was to be set up in the Ukraine and mountain divisions and a parachute corps were to be established for attack operations.
    -The 16th, 19th, 21st, 22nd and 25th Soviet Armies were transferred from the interior to the western border, and deployed at take-off points for the planned offensive.
    -In his speech of May 5, 1941, to graduate officers of the academies, Stalin said that war with Germany was inevitable, and characterized it as a war not only of a defensive nature but rather of an offensive nature.
    Also, the trouble with the notion of the “peace loving” and “neutral” USSR is that it had already invaded Poland and Finland in 39, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania in 1940 and even after the German-Soviet war started they invaded and occupied Iran in August 1941(together with the British). During world war 2 Bulgaria was in a unique position amongst the European Axis countries in that it did not go to war against the USSR after June 22 1941. Hitler asked Boris III for military assistance but he refused. The Bulgarian monarch would not even allow a Waffen SS recruitment agency for individuals who wanted to enlist. In September 1944 after advancing through Romania to the Bulgarian border the Bulgarian government reminded the USSR that it was neutral in the german-soviet conflict. The Soviet army invaded anyway.
    Japan and the USSR were signatories to a non aggression pact which the Japanese adhered to, refusing German appeals to open a new front to the Soviet rear. But that didn’t stop the Soviets from attacking the Japanese when it suited them after the war in Europe had ended.

    The blame for the millions of Soviet lives lost lie largely at the feet of Stalin and his regime, a mass murderer of Slavs(and other Soviet ethnic groups) both in peace time but also during the war. One can quibble about the exact numbers, which will probably never be known, but what is known, much of it from only partially opened Soviet archives, is horrible enough.
    Before the war started, Hitlers concentration camp system had less than 30.000 people in it. The Gulag had already absorbed millions, not to mention the mass shootings, mass deportations, etc.

    The “Great Patriotic War” is a convenient National Myth that is used to unite Russians. I can understand that, all the victors do the same, using “history” as a tool to advance their agendas, but that doesn’t change the fact that the great Patriotic War narrative is a false one.
    Also, there’s been no lack of Western dupes and fellow travellers parroting Soviet propaganda.

    The narrative of the so called “Great patriotic War” serves as a building block for the Russian Federation, a national myth – many countries have them – necessary to rally the Russian people around their country, identity, flag.

    Russia emerged weak after the break up of the Soviet Empire. It was brutally plundered by the Zio-american empire and those special interests which rule it and by the "Russian" oligarchs. The country was deeply infiltrated by a 5th column, as some Russians refer to them, interested in parking the Russian Federation into the Zio-american empire orbit.
    Failing that, the neocons and other hawks want to encircle and break up the RF.
    Thus, the great patriotic war mythology forms a cornerstone of Russian nationalism today, as it casts the Russian people in the role of “heroic liberators” providing them with an exaggerated, distorted and self-righteous portrait as heroes and main resisters against the evils of ‘Fascism’ during WWII. After all, so the propaganda line goes, they “saved the world” from the clutches of the “evil Nadzee” cannibals who were “attempting to exterminate” the “inferior races” and take over the world.
    Strip the mythology, and what do they end up with? The facts. But the facts just don’t make for good national mythology.

    Allow me to express my gratitude for this enlightening comment, and the way the facts were marshalled into a cohesive whole.

    Funnily enough I have just finished reading the recently republished book State Secrets by the late Comte Leon de Poncins which covers similar ground and corroborates much of what you wrote.

    Again, my thanks for this most important comment.

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  172. Kiza says:
    @Old Jew
    Dear Kiza,

    You over estimate me. I never fired a gun in my life, last time I was in the West Bank was in 1987 before the first Intifada. I have an agenda. I want Jews to stay alive. I empathize with Arab villagers. When the Army orders them to remain on the East Side of the wall/fence, they are as helpless in front of Authorities as my grandparents in 1941when ordered to take a suitcase and board the trains to TRANSNISTRIA. A month after I was born.

    I tried to understand what makes you such an implacable warrior for Social Justice (National Justice in the West Bank).

    So, I read up some of your previous postings.
    I do not know where you live.
    You may even be an US taxpayer.

    The philosophy pervading your posts seams to be one of a traditional Russian patriot of the type:
    БЕИ ЖИДОВ СПАСИ РОСИЮ ("Smash the Kikes, Save Russia").

    Why do you militate for a 23rd Arab nation: Palestine. Are the 22 existing Arab states insufficient?

    I do not understand you, neither the settlers. I am secular. I do not believe in the God given right to colonize Yehuda and Shomron.
    Whatever the military does is more a sign of weakness than strength. Trying to swap a fly with a bludgeon. They are not supermen. Not the Middle-East superpower, but more the little shitty (insecure) country.

    Still I want them alive.
    The story about the hill and the valleys, just says: No overlapping. No ground for conflict.
    Live and let live.

    You are entitled to dislike Jews. Or to hate us.

    I am reading Giraldi, and iSteve to try to understand the reason of this undying hatred towards us Jews.

    All you have to do, to keep your "White Arian Race" survive and flourish is to father more children.

    Brooding over Zio-conspiracies will not get you there.

    Israelis are "Modern". All your arguments about "rights" are Modern. The Arabs conquering
    the Holly lands from the Byzantines did not ask of the rights of the natives. As a matter of fact neither did the Romans, or Alexander, or the Ottomans.

    You apply the rights theory of John Locke and the Declaration of Independence, and mix it with the theory of the Noble Savage and his "undeniable" rights.

    Anyway, visit Israel (or whatever you call it). It will be worth your time and expense.


    sf

    I really do not want to engage in one of those endless discussions common on unz.com. What I wrote before I stand by. I would only add to your:

    I just want them to survive

    that nobody has a God-given right to “survive” by killing others. It is common for thieves and murderers to say that they did it in self-defense and this is exactly what you are writing, no surprise there. Thus, you have just added “the right to survive” to the “modernity” as justifications for your thieving and murdering in Palestine.

    If you read my comments enough, you would have understood that I am neither Russian nor a US tax payer. But, if you call Giraldi anti-Jewish instead of anti-Likudnik-influence-over-US, then there is nothing in my comments for you. Just go back to your cheap but comforting sloganeering such as: “БЕИ ЖИДОВ СПАСИ РОСИЮ”. This is the universal strategy of the Zionists – always accuse anti-Zionists of anti-Semitism, because you the Zionists are the best part of the Jewish religion/ethnicity. We all hate you for your freedoms.

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    Dear Kiza,

    Indeed I am Zionist and an US Taxpayer. I am not a settler and have a hard time understanding them.

    The right to the public lands in the West Bank, was granted not by God, but by the Jordanian state when it attacked Israel in 1967.

    The Arab residents of the West Bank deserve all the individual rights imaginable but not national rights to a state. I wish that the WB be returned to Jordan, and all territorial settlements be negotiated with Jordan. But nobody asks me.

    A state from two separate territories Gaza and West Bank is not viable. The true aim (as stated by Hamas) for a viable Palestinian state, is or ought to be, to replace Israel.

    I am pretty much convinced, this is your goal also. (for the most noble and just reasons you imagine).

    My desire is that Israel continue to exists.

    I am too old to live to see which way, history will swing.

    sf
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  173. Kiza says:
    @L.K
    @KIZA,

    Though your comments tend to be good, your ignorant attack on Viktor Suvorov tells me you have no idea what you are talking about... or worse.

    WWII “history”, whether the anglo-american version or the Soviet flavor of it, is pure bunk. A bunch of self-serving lies by the victors. Anybody with half a brain understands that history is written by the victors and invariably to their own advantage.
    As in “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”― George Orwell, 1984.

    All key Allied countries and particularly the US and the USSR, plus the anti-German war party in Britain, the warmongers led by Churchill( and to a less extent the French and useful idiot Poland) bear a lot of responsability, most of it, for the outbreak of war in Europe, and subsequent escalation into a World War.

    You, Kiza, would very much wish that Suvorov was the only historian making such points about the "great patriotic war"... or at least the only Russian.
    Far from it.
    The official BS-narrative re the Soviet-German clash during WWII does not have a leg to stand on. This is the reason behind Russia’s new legislation against ‘revising’ WWII history. No, I’m not talking about the holohoax, but about the war itself. Just as with the holo, truth need not be shielded from scrutiny. Also most Soviet archives of the era remain sealed.
    The first to realize the official Soviet line was pure nonsense were the Russians themselves.
    As D.W.Michaels wrote:
    One of the earliest Russian revisionists of World War II history was Pyotr Grigorenko, a Soviet Army Major General and highly decorated war veteran who taught at the Frunze Military Academy.[…]he was the first leading Soviet figure to advance the revisionist arguments, which became well known during the 1980s and 1990s, on Stalin’s preparations for aggressive war against Germany. In an article submitted to a major Soviet journal (but rejected, and later published abroad), Grigorenko pointed out that Soviet military forces vastly outnumbered German forces in 1941. Just prior to the German attack on June 22, 1941, more than half of the Soviet forces were in the area near and west of Bialystok, that is, in an area deep in Polish occupied territory. “This deployment could only be justified” wrote Grigorenko, “if these troops were deploying for a surprise offensive. In the event of an enemy attack these troops would soon be encircled.” Which is exactly what happened.

    Since the 1990s, with the partial opening of Soviet archives(closed again), many Russian historians have refined the evidence for Stalin’s agressive aims. An incomplete list of such Russian historians/researchers include:
    Former Soviet intel officer ,Vladimir Bogdanovich Resun(Viktor Suvorow), Russian historian Dr. Mikhail Meltiukhov, V. A. Nevezhin, Colonel V. D. Danilov, Igor Bunich, Irina. V. Pavlova, V. L. Doroshenko, M.Solonin, Constantine Pleshakov, Dr.Alexander Pronin, Prof. Dr. Maria Litowskaja, Colonel Kiselev, Dr. Dschangir Nadschafow, faculty director of the Institute of General History of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    , etc.
    Since the 1990s, many Western historians have reached similar conclusions. Americans such as Albert Weeks, Richard Raack, John Mosier, R.H.S. Stolfi. German and Austrian historians such as Dr.Joachim Hoffmann, Ernst Topitsch, Ernst Nolte, Dr.Werner Maser, Lothar Rühl, Fritz Becker, Dr.Walter Post, Dr.Max Klüver, Wolfgang Strauss, Heinz Magenheimer, French Stéphane Courtois, François Furet, etc.
    Btw, Prof.Weeks wrote of Suvorov's "The Chief Culprit": "A remarkable book. A delayed bombshell that includes very pertinent new research and discoveries Suvorov has made since 1990.... None of the 'new Russian' historians can match his masterful sweep of research and analysis."

    W.Strauss lists in his book ‘Unternehmen Barbarossa und der russische Historikerstreit’ ( i highly recommend it for those able to read german )(from a review of it by D.Michaels), the findings of several of the Russian researchers listed above:
    Major findings:
    -Stalin wanted a general European war of exhaustion in which the USSR would intervene at the politically and militarily most expedient moment. Stalin’s main intention is seen in his speech to the Politburo of August 19, 1939.
    -To ignite this, Stalin used the [August 1939] Soviet-German Non-Aggression Pact, which: a) provoked Hitler’s attack against Poland, and b) evoked the declarations of war against Germany by Britain and France. But not against the Soviet Union which also invaded Poland taking half of it.
    -In the event Germany was defeated quickly by Britain and France, Stalin planned to “Sovietize” Germany and establish a “Communist government” there, but with the danger that the victorious capitalist powers would never permit a Communist Germany.
    -In the event France was defeated quickly by Germany, Stalin planned the “Sovietization” of France. “A Communist revolution would seem inevitable, and we could take advantage of this for our own purposes by rushing to aid France and making her our ally. As a result of this, all the nations under the ‘protection’ of a victorious Germany would become our allies.”
    -From the outset Stalin reckoned on a war with Germany, and the Soviet conquest of Germany. To this end, Stalin concentrated on the western border of the USSR operational offensive forces, which were five- to six-times stronger than the Wehrmacht with respect to tanks, aircraft and artillery.
    -With respect to a war of aggression, on May 15, 1941, the Red Army’s Main Political Directorate instructed troop commanders that every war the USSR engaged in, whether defensive or offensive, would have the character of a “just war.”
    -Troop contingents were to be brought up to full strength in all the western military districts; airfields and supply bases to support a forward-strategy were to be built directly behind the border; an attack force of 60 divisions was to be set up in the Ukraine and mountain divisions and a parachute corps were to be established for attack operations.
    -The 16th, 19th, 21st, 22nd and 25th Soviet Armies were transferred from the interior to the western border, and deployed at take-off points for the planned offensive.
    -In his speech of May 5, 1941, to graduate officers of the academies, Stalin said that war with Germany was inevitable, and characterized it as a war not only of a defensive nature but rather of an offensive nature.
    Also, the trouble with the notion of the “peace loving” and “neutral” USSR is that it had already invaded Poland and Finland in 39, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania in 1940 and even after the German-Soviet war started they invaded and occupied Iran in August 1941(together with the British). During world war 2 Bulgaria was in a unique position amongst the European Axis countries in that it did not go to war against the USSR after June 22 1941. Hitler asked Boris III for military assistance but he refused. The Bulgarian monarch would not even allow a Waffen SS recruitment agency for individuals who wanted to enlist. In September 1944 after advancing through Romania to the Bulgarian border the Bulgarian government reminded the USSR that it was neutral in the german-soviet conflict. The Soviet army invaded anyway.
    Japan and the USSR were signatories to a non aggression pact which the Japanese adhered to, refusing German appeals to open a new front to the Soviet rear. But that didn’t stop the Soviets from attacking the Japanese when it suited them after the war in Europe had ended.

    The blame for the millions of Soviet lives lost lie largely at the feet of Stalin and his regime, a mass murderer of Slavs(and other Soviet ethnic groups) both in peace time but also during the war. One can quibble about the exact numbers, which will probably never be known, but what is known, much of it from only partially opened Soviet archives, is horrible enough.
    Before the war started, Hitlers concentration camp system had less than 30.000 people in it. The Gulag had already absorbed millions, not to mention the mass shootings, mass deportations, etc.

    The “Great Patriotic War” is a convenient National Myth that is used to unite Russians. I can understand that, all the victors do the same, using “history” as a tool to advance their agendas, but that doesn’t change the fact that the great Patriotic War narrative is a false one.
    Also, there’s been no lack of Western dupes and fellow travellers parroting Soviet propaganda.

    The narrative of the so called “Great patriotic War” serves as a building block for the Russian Federation, a national myth – many countries have them – necessary to rally the Russian people around their country, identity, flag.

    Russia emerged weak after the break up of the Soviet Empire. It was brutally plundered by the Zio-american empire and those special interests which rule it and by the "Russian" oligarchs. The country was deeply infiltrated by a 5th column, as some Russians refer to them, interested in parking the Russian Federation into the Zio-american empire orbit.
    Failing that, the neocons and other hawks want to encircle and break up the RF.
    Thus, the great patriotic war mythology forms a cornerstone of Russian nationalism today, as it casts the Russian people in the role of “heroic liberators” providing them with an exaggerated, distorted and self-righteous portrait as heroes and main resisters against the evils of ‘Fascism’ during WWII. After all, so the propaganda line goes, they “saved the world” from the clutches of the “evil Nadzee” cannibals who were “attempting to exterminate” the “inferior races” and take over the world.
    Strip the mythology, and what do they end up with? The facts. But the facts just don’t make for good national mythology.

    …your ignorant attack on Viktor Suvorov tells me you have no idea what you are talking about… or worse

    Ooops, I steered up the Victor Suvorov fan club. I just feel too relaxed on this long weekend to address the long quasi-history that you wrote. In history, there are fashions, as in cloths and shoes. You are a follower, I am not. If you thought that I was defending Stalin’s horrible crimes, then either I did not make myself clear or you are just looking for someone to bash verbally.

    Finally, let me ask you just two related questions: are you dumb … or worse that you do not notice Suvorov using Soviet and Russian interchangeably in his cheap historical comedy show (Did Suvorov ever mention what the nationality of the bank-robber was)? Is this not exactly what the West has been doing since 1991, in all its propaganda?

    I rest my case and will leave you to enjoy your historical fashion until a new one arrives.

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    So kiza,

    Besides your silly ad hominem attacks on Suvorov and myself, you got n-o-t-h-i-n-g.

    Best stick to those issues you have some command of...
    WWII clearly ain't one of them.
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  174. Old Jew says:
    @Kiza
    I really do not want to engage in one of those endless discussions common on unz.com. What I wrote before I stand by. I would only add to your:

    I just want them to survive
     
    that nobody has a God-given right to "survive" by killing others. It is common for thieves and murderers to say that they did it in self-defense and this is exactly what you are writing, no surprise there. Thus, you have just added "the right to survive" to the "modernity" as justifications for your thieving and murdering in Palestine.

    If you read my comments enough, you would have understood that I am neither Russian nor a US tax payer. But, if you call Giraldi anti-Jewish instead of anti-Likudnik-influence-over-US, then there is nothing in my comments for you. Just go back to your cheap but comforting sloganeering such as: "БЕИ ЖИДОВ СПАСИ РОСИЮ". This is the universal strategy of the Zionists - always accuse anti-Zionists of anti-Semitism, because you the Zionists are the best part of the Jewish religion/ethnicity. We all hate you for your freedoms.

    Dear Kiza,

    Indeed I am Zionist and an US Taxpayer. I am not a settler and have a hard time understanding them.

    The right to the public lands in the West Bank, was granted not by God, but by the Jordanian state when it attacked Israel in 1967.

    The Arab residents of the West Bank deserve all the individual rights imaginable but not national rights to a state. I wish that the WB be returned to Jordan, and all territorial settlements be negotiated with Jordan. But nobody asks me.

    A state from two separate territories Gaza and West Bank is not viable. The true aim (as stated by Hamas) for a viable Palestinian state, is or ought to be, to replace Israel.

    I am pretty much convinced, this is your goal also. (for the most noble and just reasons you imagine).

    My desire is that Israel continue to exists.

    I am too old to live to see which way, history will swing.

    sf

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    Firstly, I am not your dear.

    Secondly,


    The right to the public lands in the West Bank, was granted not by God, but by the Jordanian state when it attacked Israel in 1967
     
    and you have been punishing ever since by taking more and more land, more and more water, more and more oil & gas. Never ending punishment, until you own everything worth owning.

    Thirdly, again, who gave you the right to decide if a state made up of Gaza and West Bank is not viable. It is not the Zionists who made such state non-viable by making a Swiss-cheese out of them, with settlers always grabbing the best parts?

    Fourthly, the only thing which threatens the existence of Israel is the behavior of the Zionists, Neocons and Likudniks. It is quite telling that you recognize similar "goals" that you project into Hezbollah in a totally unrelated party such as myself. Everyone is against you, everyone threatens the poor victim Israel. It is always in self-defense that you kill Palestinian children playing soccer on the beach, for example. Or is it called "mowing the grass"? Even with all the grass cut, you will get bread out of Israel eventually, just as my nation got bread-out by Muslims from their ancestral land and your Zionists helped ethnically cleanse the last remaining of my people from it with US bombs.

    Finally, no matter how old you and I are, we may all perish in a nuclear war between Russia and the Zionist puppet US, all for your ambitions to acquire what does not belong to you, always in self-defense, of course. This World would be a much better place if the Muslims would stop overpopulating it, and if the Zionists would stop taking other people's property, in self-defense.

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  175. Old Jew says:
    @Ivan
    I for one wish the Israelis well. But they should stop continuing to steal the Palestinians' lands and turn the rest of it into a controlled Bantustan. While no doubt Muslims are savages and so on, if the boot were on the other foot, the Jews would be doing the same thing. Nobody likes to be cheated or forced off their lands.

    Ivan,

    I agree with you.

    See my reply to Kiza.

    Injustice was done. Arabs from Palestine were/are not guilty/responsible for the Holocaust.

    After 1945 Jews were an endangered species, so UN decided (in 1947) to create a natural refuge for them, in the Holly Land. Arabs were not consulted, or overridden.

    Most of the Israeli Army are born in Israel. Where shall they go back to, their mother’s Poland or their father’s Morocco?

    Arabs claiming their right to return were born in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan (in refugee camps).

    It would be great if their lands of birth, let them build a future.

    On “Stolen Land” or not, the Israeli soldiers will not return their apartments, to the grandchildren of the 1948 Arab refugees.

    God knows what the future will bring, but my wish is: Israel shall survive.

    sf

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    The Jews were hardly an "endangered species" at the end of WWII.
    Even if the holo tales of 6 million dead and homicidal gas chambers were true, and they are not, there were plenty of Jews in the US and elsewhere.
    But in fact, in Europe itself, there were millions of jews who had survived the war.
    The absolutely huge number of 'holo survivors' even today, underscores this fact.
    In 2003 Israeli demographer, Sergio Della Pergola, stated in an official Israeli report that there were 1.092,000 Jewish holocaust survivors alive in the world in 2003. Those huge numbers imply that there were many millions of Jewish “holocaust survivors” alive at the end of the war.
    The UN had NO mandate to give more than half of Palestinian land to european jewish immigrants who owned less than 7% of the land and represented only about 30% of the total population in 1948.
    You complain about israelis returning their apartments but do not mention these apartments have been built upon stolen land. No mention the stolen palestinian homes, many of which still exist and r inhabited by "israelis' today. Some of the palestinian refugees still have the keys to their houses.
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  176. Kiza says:
    @Old Jew
    Dear Kiza,

    Indeed I am Zionist and an US Taxpayer. I am not a settler and have a hard time understanding them.

    The right to the public lands in the West Bank, was granted not by God, but by the Jordanian state when it attacked Israel in 1967.

    The Arab residents of the West Bank deserve all the individual rights imaginable but not national rights to a state. I wish that the WB be returned to Jordan, and all territorial settlements be negotiated with Jordan. But nobody asks me.

    A state from two separate territories Gaza and West Bank is not viable. The true aim (as stated by Hamas) for a viable Palestinian state, is or ought to be, to replace Israel.

    I am pretty much convinced, this is your goal also. (for the most noble and just reasons you imagine).

    My desire is that Israel continue to exists.

    I am too old to live to see which way, history will swing.

    sf

    Firstly, I am not your dear.

    Secondly,

    The right to the public lands in the West Bank, was granted not by God, but by the Jordanian state when it attacked Israel in 1967

    and you have been punishing ever since by taking more and more land, more and more water, more and more oil & gas. Never ending punishment, until you own everything worth owning.

    Thirdly, again, who gave you the right to decide if a state made up of Gaza and West Bank is not viable. It is not the Zionists who made such state non-viable by making a Swiss-cheese out of them, with settlers always grabbing the best parts?

    Fourthly, the only thing which threatens the existence of Israel is the behavior of the Zionists, Neocons and Likudniks. It is quite telling that you recognize similar “goals” that you project into Hezbollah in a totally unrelated party such as myself. Everyone is against you, everyone threatens the poor victim Israel. It is always in self-defense that you kill Palestinian children playing soccer on the beach, for example. Or is it called “mowing the grass”? Even with all the grass cut, you will get bread out of Israel eventually, just as my nation got bread-out by Muslims from their ancestral land and your Zionists helped ethnically cleanse the last remaining of my people from it with US bombs.

    Finally, no matter how old you and I are, we may all perish in a nuclear war between Russia and the Zionist puppet US, all for your ambitions to acquire what does not belong to you, always in self-defense, of course. This World would be a much better place if the Muslims would stop overpopulating it, and if the Zionists would stop taking other people’s property, in self-defense.

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    ... just as my nation got bread-out by Muslims from their ancestral land and your Zionists helped ethnically cleanse the last remaining of my people from it with US bombs.
     
    Hi, Kiza. Am I right to infer from the above that you are Serbian?
    , @Old Jew
    Kiza,

    Is "Kosovo Pole" part of your ancestral land?

    2. The USA is not a "Zionist puppet".

    As, all other countries, it is a run by Government for the interest of its Wealthy.

    Not, your Wealthy.

    Be sure the USA Government does not run the country for the benefit of its unemployed
    underclass.

    Most wealthy Americans are not Jews. As long as the policies towards Israel do not affect
    them, does not disturb them, they'll allow US Jewish citizens to influence the national Government policies toward Israel.

    The moment it will affect them, or they'd be made to believe that the policies towards Israel, affect their interests or safety, the Jews will be muzzled. Giraldi tries very hard to convince Americans ruling classes, that pro Israel policies are damaging.

    He lies too much, plays on emotions, does not provide hard numbers.

    He may convince leftist college students that stand for BDS. Perhaps when their generation
    takes over the reins of the Government, they will institute more anti-Israel policies.


    History has humbled Europe more than once.

    USA not yet.

    Al-Queda or ISIS attempts to "teach reason" to Americans, have not yet cause change in policies.

    All it caused: "Go get them!" . [and Plenty of collateral victims.]

    The Giraldi tribe, has a much better chance to succeed, than the Jihadis.

    But they'll have to stop "playing fast and loose" with facts, and stick to verifiable info.
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  177. @Art
    "I think you’re ignoring Paine’s deism at you peril. Jefferson, who authored the Declaration, also said:"

    Thomas Paine is a major hero – I am a deist – I believe in God the creator – I believe that God does not play in the universe. I am not a religious type – I am a philosophical Christian.

    You keep talking religion – religion – religion. I keep talking philosophy – philosophy – philosophy.

    God's universe has afforded we humans something very special – something unique among biological species. We can form and us words describing our surroundings and ourselves. We can create knowledge. Those knowledgeable words make life easier for us. We can pass those words on from generation to generation, accumulating more accurate knowledge as we go. One of the finest things that can be said about we humans, is that we give credit to those who create new knowledge by naming it after them.

    A philosophy is a complete summation, a body of thought, a total knowledgeable viewpoint of how we comprehend the universe. Each of us has a philosophy for living – we use it to guide our current actions that lead to tomorrow's possibilities. Clearly some philosophies work better then others.

    Without question Jesus Christ viewed himself as a religious figure – he tied himself to a hopeful forgiving God. He was a product of his time. A benevolent God was the dream of all of humanity.

    But Jesus did more then supply us with a benevolent God – he left us with some philosophical words to live by. He put into words a set of ideals to act on. Live with hope, respect life, seek the truth, forgive, love your neighbor as you love yourself. There is no question – when we act on those ideals, life gets better and better. There is nothing in those words that speaks of God. Those words are all temporal in nature. They are philosophical words.

    Implied in the words “love your neighbor as you love yourself” is that notion that your neighbor can be someone different then you. That means different tribe, different sect, different social status. Doesn't that ideal make it possible to write the Declaration of Independence, the “We the People” of the preamble, the Bill of Rights?

    Even today it is only in “idealistic Christian” countries that a measure of fairness and freedom can flourish.

    So I chose to give Jesus Christ credit where credit is do – I am an unabashed philosophical Christian.

    You write

    “Even today it is only in “idealistic Christian” countries that a measure of fairness and freedom can flourish”

    That mistaken assertion is deeply infected with a Christian supremacist understanding or one could say a ‘religious’ value. Not so far removed from the Inquisition, actually.

    Torquemada, Tomás de |ˌtôrkəˈmädə, ˌtôrkāˈmäT͟Hä|
    ( c.1420–98), Spanish cleric and Grand Inquisitor. A Dominican monk and confessor to Ferdinand and Isabella, he was the prime mover behind the Inquisition in 1478 and the expulsion of the Jews from Spain beginning in 1492.

    Certainly the inquisitors entertained similar thoughts in relation to themselves and in all sincerity.

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    , @Art

    Art: “Even today it is only in “idealistic Christian” countries that a measure of fairness and freedom can flourish”

    That mistaken assertion is deeply infected with a Christian supremacist understanding or one could say a ‘religious’ value. Not so far removed from the Inquisition, actually.

     

    Is it correct to judge all of Christianity by the likes of the Inquisition. There are a 100 million other bad things that were done in Jesus Christ's name that were not Christian in nature. Every good idea ever thought up by the human mind has been abused by the power hungry to lord it over others. Still today in the year 2015 primordial tribalness is still with us in a big bad way. Rulers starting wars “with god on their side” have suckered humanity forever.

    One can understand Thomas Paine's total disgust with the state Christian religions and religions in general. The popes, sect leaders, and kings used religion as an avenue to power over people. They did these things because that was the way things worked in those times – there was no other way. Individual priests and preachers built their own little fiefdoms, claiming righteousness for their brand, giving and taking away god from the faithful.

    But even with all this top-down bad, something evolved that was good, individual Christians took Jesus' philosophical ideals to hart. They saw the good. They saw the good in having hope, in valuing all life, in seeking truth, in forgiving, and in loving your neighbor as you love yourself regardless of who your neighbor is. These are ideas that they can use to make their lives better – they actually work. These ideals were universal – they are a shared part of each sect. Anyone can hold them – religious Christian or not. These ideals are the greatest social thoughts ever put into words.

    Why is it that only the masses can see the good – while the politically correct intellectual elite snicker?

    Are these adamant non-Christian elite just a new sect seeking power? Have they been conned into cannibalizing their own culture by a vengeful old world tribe?
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  178. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @geokat62

    I think that there are a quite a few Greek Philosophers that would say that you are looking at a branch and calling it the root. I think even Plato would say that his teachings were influenced and so even Greek Philosophy isn’t the root. It is rooted in Universal Truths.
     
    Hi, Jr. Have you ever had the opportunity to read Rebecca Goldstein's, “Plato at the Googleplex”? I highly recommend it. Here's an excerpt:

    ... the most famous slogan of philosophy emerges: the unexamined life is not worth living. Some... might bristle at a sensed elitism. But Socrates’ statement is only elitist if one assumes that only the few have it in them to examine their lives. The democracy that became again, in the eighteenth century, the most daring political experiment on earth embodies the hope that we many have it in us as well. Instead of an indictment of his city’s daring experiment in democracy, Socrates’ statement can be read as putting forth the stringent condition that alone would allow democracy to flourish. Perhaps Plato did eventually come to a viewpoint that excluded the many from being capable of thinking through their lives in the light of the True-the Beautiful-the Good; but the entire life of Socrates, including that day of his trial as it’s presented by Plato, is evidence of the fact that Socrates continued to cling to hopes for us many.
     

    Thanks for the excerpt, Geokat! I have not read it but it looks like I definitely have to add it to my list. Interesting stuff.

    I was looking up some stuff on Confucius and came across this article which made me immediately think of your passage from “Plato at the Googleplex”.

    “Isn’t it a joy to study and regularly practice? What’s more, isn’t it a joy to meet comrades from afar? ” These are the opening words of the Analects of Confucius, a small collection of sayings by the ancient pioneer of liberal arts education. The “study” Confucius refers to does not only focus on book learning, but rather on social relationships, and not least, the great virtue of “humanity”. Learning about “humanity”, and trying to realize it in our lives, especially in the company of fellow travellers on the great path or Dao, fills us with a sense of joy. Confucius detests the “proper villager” who unfailingly does the right thing. The problem is that the proper villager does it for the sake of social approbation and not self-cultivation. Instead of “rejoicing in virtue” the “proper villager” steals virtue and uses it as a cloak. Confucius was perhaps the earliest figure to argue that we have the power to transform ourselves. This was a highly subversive position, especially as he insisted that his followers had the power to become a Chunzi, or Noble Person, a title which originally referred to a son of the aristocracy. For Confucius, it didn’t matter who your parents were. If you did not cultivate your humanity you were not worthy of the title “Noble Person,” and not qualified to serve in government.

    http://www.pursuit-of-happiness.org/history-of-happiness/confucius/

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  179. alexander says:
    @geokat62

    I think that there are a quite a few Greek Philosophers that would say that you are looking at a branch and calling it the root. I think even Plato would say that his teachings were influenced and so even Greek Philosophy isn’t the root. It is rooted in Universal Truths.
     
    Hi, Jr. Have you ever had the opportunity to read Rebecca Goldstein's, “Plato at the Googleplex”? I highly recommend it. Here's an excerpt:

    ... the most famous slogan of philosophy emerges: the unexamined life is not worth living. Some... might bristle at a sensed elitism. But Socrates’ statement is only elitist if one assumes that only the few have it in them to examine their lives. The democracy that became again, in the eighteenth century, the most daring political experiment on earth embodies the hope that we many have it in us as well. Instead of an indictment of his city’s daring experiment in democracy, Socrates’ statement can be read as putting forth the stringent condition that alone would allow democracy to flourish. Perhaps Plato did eventually come to a viewpoint that excluded the many from being capable of thinking through their lives in the light of the True-the Beautiful-the Good; but the entire life of Socrates, including that day of his trial as it’s presented by Plato, is evidence of the fact that Socrates continued to cling to hopes for us many.
     

    Maybe we should take a cue from Socrates and apply it today….. thus so:

    “The unexamined “War” is not worth “fighting” …or …

    “The unexamined “law” is not worth “passing”……or

    “the unexamined “fraud ‘ is not worth” believing”.

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  180. Avery says:
    @L.K
    @KIZA,

    Though your comments tend to be good, your ignorant attack on Viktor Suvorov tells me you have no idea what you are talking about... or worse.

    WWII “history”, whether the anglo-american version or the Soviet flavor of it, is pure bunk. A bunch of self-serving lies by the victors. Anybody with half a brain understands that history is written by the victors and invariably to their own advantage.
    As in “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”― George Orwell, 1984.

    All key Allied countries and particularly the US and the USSR, plus the anti-German war party in Britain, the warmongers led by Churchill( and to a less extent the French and useful idiot Poland) bear a lot of responsability, most of it, for the outbreak of war in Europe, and subsequent escalation into a World War.

    You, Kiza, would very much wish that Suvorov was the only historian making such points about the "great patriotic war"... or at least the only Russian.
    Far from it.
    The official BS-narrative re the Soviet-German clash during WWII does not have a leg to stand on. This is the reason behind Russia’s new legislation against ‘revising’ WWII history. No, I’m not talking about the holohoax, but about the war itself. Just as with the holo, truth need not be shielded from scrutiny. Also most Soviet archives of the era remain sealed.
    The first to realize the official Soviet line was pure nonsense were the Russians themselves.
    As D.W.Michaels wrote:
    One of the earliest Russian revisionists of World War II history was Pyotr Grigorenko, a Soviet Army Major General and highly decorated war veteran who taught at the Frunze Military Academy.[…]he was the first leading Soviet figure to advance the revisionist arguments, which became well known during the 1980s and 1990s, on Stalin’s preparations for aggressive war against Germany. In an article submitted to a major Soviet journal (but rejected, and later published abroad), Grigorenko pointed out that Soviet military forces vastly outnumbered German forces in 1941. Just prior to the German attack on June 22, 1941, more than half of the Soviet forces were in the area near and west of Bialystok, that is, in an area deep in Polish occupied territory. “This deployment could only be justified” wrote Grigorenko, “if these troops were deploying for a surprise offensive. In the event of an enemy attack these troops would soon be encircled.” Which is exactly what happened.

    Since the 1990s, with the partial opening of Soviet archives(closed again), many Russian historians have refined the evidence for Stalin’s agressive aims. An incomplete list of such Russian historians/researchers include:
    Former Soviet intel officer ,Vladimir Bogdanovich Resun(Viktor Suvorow), Russian historian Dr. Mikhail Meltiukhov, V. A. Nevezhin, Colonel V. D. Danilov, Igor Bunich, Irina. V. Pavlova, V. L. Doroshenko, M.Solonin, Constantine Pleshakov, Dr.Alexander Pronin, Prof. Dr. Maria Litowskaja, Colonel Kiselev, Dr. Dschangir Nadschafow, faculty director of the Institute of General History of the Russian Academy of Sciences
    , etc.
    Since the 1990s, many Western historians have reached similar conclusions. Americans such as Albert Weeks, Richard Raack, John Mosier, R.H.S. Stolfi. German and Austrian historians such as Dr.Joachim Hoffmann, Ernst Topitsch, Ernst Nolte, Dr.Werner Maser, Lothar Rühl, Fritz Becker, Dr.Walter Post, Dr.Max Klüver, Wolfgang Strauss, Heinz Magenheimer, French Stéphane Courtois, François Furet, etc.
    Btw, Prof.Weeks wrote of Suvorov's "The Chief Culprit": "A remarkable book. A delayed bombshell that includes very pertinent new research and discoveries Suvorov has made since 1990.... None of the 'new Russian' historians can match his masterful sweep of research and analysis."

    W.Strauss lists in his book ‘Unternehmen Barbarossa und der russische Historikerstreit’ ( i highly recommend it for those able to read german )(from a review of it by D.Michaels), the findings of several of the Russian researchers listed above:
    Major findings:
    -Stalin wanted a general European war of exhaustion in which the USSR would intervene at the politically and militarily most expedient moment. Stalin’s main intention is seen in his speech to the Politburo of August 19, 1939.
    -To ignite this, Stalin used the [August 1939] Soviet-German Non-Aggression Pact, which: a) provoked Hitler’s attack against Poland, and b) evoked the declarations of war against Germany by Britain and France. But not against the Soviet Union which also invaded Poland taking half of it.
    -In the event Germany was defeated quickly by Britain and France, Stalin planned to “Sovietize” Germany and establish a “Communist government” there, but with the danger that the victorious capitalist powers would never permit a Communist Germany.
    -In the event France was defeated quickly by Germany, Stalin planned the “Sovietization” of France. “A Communist revolution would seem inevitable, and we could take advantage of this for our own purposes by rushing to aid France and making her our ally. As a result of this, all the nations under the ‘protection’ of a victorious Germany would become our allies.”
    -From the outset Stalin reckoned on a war with Germany, and the Soviet conquest of Germany. To this end, Stalin concentrated on the western border of the USSR operational offensive forces, which were five- to six-times stronger than the Wehrmacht with respect to tanks, aircraft and artillery.
    -With respect to a war of aggression, on May 15, 1941, the Red Army’s Main Political Directorate instructed troop commanders that every war the USSR engaged in, whether defensive or offensive, would have the character of a “just war.”
    -Troop contingents were to be brought up to full strength in all the western military districts; airfields and supply bases to support a forward-strategy were to be built directly behind the border; an attack force of 60 divisions was to be set up in the Ukraine and mountain divisions and a parachute corps were to be established for attack operations.
    -The 16th, 19th, 21st, 22nd and 25th Soviet Armies were transferred from the interior to the western border, and deployed at take-off points for the planned offensive.
    -In his speech of May 5, 1941, to graduate officers of the academies, Stalin said that war with Germany was inevitable, and characterized it as a war not only of a defensive nature but rather of an offensive nature.
    Also, the trouble with the notion of the “peace loving” and “neutral” USSR is that it had already invaded Poland and Finland in 39, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania in 1940 and even after the German-Soviet war started they invaded and occupied Iran in August 1941(together with the British). During world war 2 Bulgaria was in a unique position amongst the European Axis countries in that it did not go to war against the USSR after June 22 1941. Hitler asked Boris III for military assistance but he refused. The Bulgarian monarch would not even allow a Waffen SS recruitment agency for individuals who wanted to enlist. In September 1944 after advancing through Romania to the Bulgarian border the Bulgarian government reminded the USSR that it was neutral in the german-soviet conflict. The Soviet army invaded anyway.
    Japan and the USSR were signatories to a non aggression pact which the Japanese adhered to, refusing German appeals to open a new front to the Soviet rear. But that didn’t stop the Soviets from attacking the Japanese when it suited them after the war in Europe had ended.

    The blame for the millions of Soviet lives lost lie largely at the feet of Stalin and his regime, a mass murderer of Slavs(and other Soviet ethnic groups) both in peace time but also during the war. One can quibble about the exact numbers, which will probably never be known, but what is known, much of it from only partially opened Soviet archives, is horrible enough.
    Before the war started, Hitlers concentration camp system had less than 30.000 people in it. The Gulag had already absorbed millions, not to mention the mass shootings, mass deportations, etc.

    The “Great Patriotic War” is a convenient National Myth that is used to unite Russians. I can understand that, all the victors do the same, using “history” as a tool to advance their agendas, but that doesn’t change the fact that the great Patriotic War narrative is a false one.
    Also, there’s been no lack of Western dupes and fellow travellers parroting Soviet propaganda.

    The narrative of the so called “Great patriotic War” serves as a building block for the Russian Federation, a national myth – many countries have them – necessary to rally the Russian people around their country, identity, flag.

    Russia emerged weak after the break up of the Soviet Empire. It was brutally plundered by the Zio-american empire and those special interests which rule it and by the "Russian" oligarchs. The country was deeply infiltrated by a 5th column, as some Russians refer to them, interested in parking the Russian Federation into the Zio-american empire orbit.
    Failing that, the neocons and other hawks want to encircle and break up the RF.
    Thus, the great patriotic war mythology forms a cornerstone of Russian nationalism today, as it casts the Russian people in the role of “heroic liberators” providing them with an exaggerated, distorted and self-righteous portrait as heroes and main resisters against the evils of ‘Fascism’ during WWII. After all, so the propaganda line goes, they “saved the world” from the clutches of the “evil Nadzee” cannibals who were “attempting to exterminate” the “inferior races” and take over the world.
    Strip the mythology, and what do they end up with? The facts. But the facts just don’t make for good national mythology.

    Poor, misunderstood Nazis.

    They were living peacefully in Germany when these savage mothers holding their babies invaded and started killing unarmed German soldiers.

    [Hitler’s plans for extermination of Poles were first stated in his 1927 book Mein Kampf. He called for Germans to give up their attempt to regain their former colonies (lost after WWI) and to revert instead to their ancient “Drang nach Osten” (Push Eastwards) so as to conquer new territories for German expansion (“Lebensraum”) in Poland. Twelve years later, in a speech to the leaders of German armed forces on August 22, 1939 Hitler ordered: “Kill without pity or mercy all men, women or children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space (Lebensraum) we need. The destruction of Poland is our primary task. The aim is… annihilation of living forces.” ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [Already in May 1939, four months before the outbreak of war, the German political police, “Gestapo”, created the unit “Zentralstelle IIP Polen” (Central Unit IIP-Poland) under Reinhardt Heydrich to coordinate the ethnic cleansing of all Poles. Two years later at the infamous Wansee Conference, the same Reinhardt Heydrich coordinated the Final Solution for killing of all the Jews. The code name of the ethnic cleansing of Poles was “Tannenberg,” after the German name of a village where in early 15th century a Polish king defeated and repulsed the medieval German “Push Eastward.” Apparently, 600 years later, the remembrance rankled in the minds of some Germans. ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [At first, and still prior to the outbreak of WWII, 2,000 Poles living in Germany were sent to concentration camps, never to return. The Zentralstelle prepared a special list of 61,000 Polish leaders “Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen” (Special Prosecution Book-Poland) prior to the September 1, 1939 German attack on Poland. Within the first few months of the war, all the Poles on the Zentralstelle list were killed outright or sent to concentration camps to die. They included the nobility, priests, university professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers and other community leaders, and even a prominent sportsman who won the gold medal in his category at the Berlin Olympics in 1936. In the first days of September 1939, in order to terrorize the population, an additional 20,000 randomly captured non-Jewish Poles were killed in the Polish fields and streets, in 310 mass murder actions, including in my own hometown.* Stacks of bodies, mostly women and children, were heaped at the very large square in front of the Cathedral Church. At the same time, in September 1939, about 50,000 civilians were killed by the indiscriminate air bombing during the siege of Warsaw, choosing clearly marked hospitals as the first targets.* There I received my first WWII injury. Ninety-five percent of the city’s buildings was destroyed or damaged. The city looked so horrible that tears run down the face of my father, a veteran of four years in WWI, as he came out of the cellar following the first major aerial bombing. Many more such bombings were to follow.] (Dr. Jan Moor-Jankowski * Asterisks denote author’s own experiences)

    {On August 22, 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill “without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language.”
    Genocide was to be conducted systematically against Polish people: on September 7, 1939 Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy and Jews are to be killed. On September 12, Wilhelm Keitel added the intelligentsia to the list. On March 15, 1940 Himmler stated: “All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task.” At the end of 1940, Hitler confirmed his pronouncement demanding liquidation of “all leading }

    Poor, falsely maligned, misunderstood Nazis.
    If only the revisionists did a better job of whitewashing the crimes of Nazi war criminals.

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    So there is this city, Stalingrad, deep inside Germany.
    So these Red Army hordes decided to invade Germany and capture the prize city.

    Hitler assigned the glorious honor of defending the ancient, historic German city of Stalingrad to the 6th Army, headed by General Paulus (later Field Marshal). Paulus had 300,000 tough, but peaceful Nazi defenders under his command.
    The peaceful Nazis defenders of their historic city put up a heroic fight against Red Army invaders. But in the end, it was too much even for the noble Nazi defenders. All but a few 1,000 of the 300,000 Nazi murdering scum were annihilated.
    , @schmenz
    Avery,

    I didn't see anything in LK's comment that indicated sympathy for the idiocies of Naziism. I saw a sympathy for quite a few people in his comment, including Germans, but not any ideology. Interestingly, on another site I occasionally comment on, any sympathy expressed by me towards Russia or the Russian people is greeted by comments claiming I'm a crypto-Communist.

    My 2 cents anyway.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    more from Jankowski's rendition of the acts of poor misunderstood Nazis:

    http://www.warsawuprising.com/paper/jankowski1.htm

    "Only in 2002, did I learn that the prisoners were periodically executed in the gas chambers and crematoria of the KLW. Records show that immediately after the flight of Germans in 1945, the large area of the camp and its surrounds; the sewers and manholes were found filled with ashes and ground human bones. Almost immediately, in 1945, however, NKWD took over the camp and continued to use it with its gas chambers and crematoria to kill Poles opposed the Soviet takeover. In 2002, the present Polish authorities halted the investigation of the Camp’s history by the Polish judge, Maria Trzcinska. She has been investigating KLW since 1973, most recently for the Polish Institute of National Remembrance. Many members of the current Polish government, however, are former communist “nomenklatura,” who may wish their past NKWD connections not to be known. Judge Trzcinska published independently the results of her investigation. The publication caused uproar in Poland. This is an example of the difficulties that exist, even today, to ascertain the truth of the Polish Holocaust."
     
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    Avery -- I'm keenly and personally aware of the devastation carried out against Poles by Germans and Bolsheviks. My school teachers were Polish nuns of the order of St. Francis. They were trained to be domestics -- housekeepers for the priests and for the teaching nuns of their order. Their English was not that good, and their pedagogical skills entirely lacking, but here they were, teaching elementary school students in a Polish Catholic parish in the American Midwest. They had survived and made it to USA. The intelligentsia of their order had not.

    Two of Jankowski's quotes refer to Hitler's speeches in 1939. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof examines those speeches in 1939: The War that had Many Fathers. Regarding the August speech, at which Schultze-Rhonhof writes:

    "Since the beginning of 1939 Hitler makes no progress with his efforts over Danzig and the Corridor. He has extended to Poland offers of negotiation and finally threatened it with war. . . .
    [A very large group of generals has been assembled at Obersalzberg for the speech. They expect to learn whether Hitler] wants war at any cost, or whether with the massive pressure from the threat of war he is trying to wrest the German city of Danzig from Poland. . . .

    Hitler begins the speech with the declaration that he has now decided to wage war against Poland. But as the discussions continue between the Reich government and Poland, it is quite possible that these words belong only to Hitler's threat-scenario. In the case of Czechia, a half year earlier, Hitler had achieved his goal merely with the invasion announcement. At that time no shot was fired."
     
    The second, key element of the August speech that Schultze-Rhonhof examines is the various renditions of the speech, and the ways that they are used at Nuremberg. The CYA rule is in full force. Furthermore, as the first passage quoted in this comment suggests -- that the NKWD picked up where the Germans left off, and that even today, Russians have an interest in concealing their role in the slaughter of Poles -- versions of the speech used at Nuremberg (and presumably by Jankowski) were selected to cover this or that particular ass, whether it be the derrière of a German general or of an NKWD apparatchik.

    Schultze-Rhonhof devotes ten pages to a "comparison of the transcripts [of the speech, which is] like a piece of a detective novel." Although German text books and school children are fed "quotes from Hitler's own mouth" that he "harbored plans for world conquest," validated by the agreement in two sets of notes about the speech, those of Colonel General Halder and of General Admiral Hermann Boehm, in fact, Gen. Boehm and the superior to whom he submitted it, Raeder, refuted numerous of the "explosive" statements such as those Jankowski relied upon, line by line, in a recorded interrogation taken by their lawyer and offered to the Nuremberg judge (who had denied the motion that Raeder and Boehm be called as witnesses).

    "[lawyer, Siemers submits] The record of the interrogation . . .Boehm's hearing is recorded in the transcript of the court proceeding with the day . . .and the document number, but does not appear in the volume of the documents of the IMT [International Military Tribunal]. "
     
    Schultze-Rhonhof includes at least a dozen statements taken from the transcript of the speech, and the recorded declaration by either Raeder or Boehm that "that sentence was not used."

    Boehm records in his notes on the August speech:

    "Hitler declared in this speech his motives for a war soon against Poland . . .
    'It is clear . . .that a political relationship with Poland, as it now exists, is unsustainable in the long term. . . .[The] attempts at a compromise [were] disrupted by England, which worked itself up into hysteria and prompted Poland to insolent notes and military measures . . . For England, however, a lasting period of instability (between Poland and Germany) was and is desired in order that, when it itself wants to attack, it be able at any time to unleash Poland on the other side.' "
     
    Hitler's assessment, as Boehm recorded them, are supported by the communications between the Roosevelt administration and that of Churchill, and by the decisions and actions taken by those powers. In a discussion of Roosevelt's military leadership in World War II, British-American historian Nigel Hamilton said that

    "Churchill knew as well as FDR that it would be very very difficult, given the collapse of the British —although the British had declared war on Hitler because of the German invasion of Poland — it would actually be completely impossible for the British to defeat Hitler once France fell in 1940, and that’s why Churchill pursued the alliance with the United States. . . .
    I don’t think Churchill ever dreamed that US & British could liberate Poland, given the strength of the Germans in 1942 and 1943. It simply wasn’t in the cards that they could defend — could invade and protect Poland against Soviet forces, which were their allies.
    And so there’s been a great deal of discussion about it because obviously it’s sort of tragic to surrender to the Russians knowing what they are going to do. I mean both Roosevelt and Churchill knew that it was the Russians who had murdered tens of thousands of Polish officers at Katyn. And you know
    to preserve the United Nations and the alliance with the Soviet Union we had to pretend that uh the Germans were responsible for the Katyn massacre but it was quite clear both to FDR and to Churchill that the Russians did it. And uh there is a source that says that Cardinal Spellman in New York — Roosevelt had said in the summer of 1943, he was very sorry but . . . as things look, in 1943, we will defeat the third reich but we will not be able to save Poland, and it may be decades before Poland will become free. Pretty prophetic, that statement. " http://www.c-span.org/video/?319420-4/roosevelts-role-preparing-dday
     
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    Raeder was sentenced to life imprisonment; he had expected to be executed. A search for Nuremberg's disposition of Admiral Hermann Boehm was inconclusive: the Harvard University archive includes Nuremberg testimony of eugenecist Dr. Hermann Boehm but not of Admiral Boehm. Schultze-Rhonhof referenced the papers of lawyer Siemers as his source for Boehm's and Raeder's refutation of the distorted transcript of Hitler's speech used at the trial. One assumes Jankowski relied on the cherry-picked and massively replicated but erroneous version of events rather than those as recorded in the Siemers papers.

    --

    The German attacks on Poland and on Stalingrad were in the course of a war that the Germans did not want (see Norman Finkelstein on this point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ ) but that Roosevelt needed (see British historian Nicholas Wapshott http://www.amazon.com/Sphinx-Franklin-Roosevelt-Isolationists-World/dp/039308888X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1451241142&sr=8-2&keywords=nicholas+wapshott ) and had been preparing for from shortly after he took office in 1933 (see Jean Edward Smith, FDR), and that Churchill was paid and seduced to provoke, even though the British had neither the financial nor military nor moral competence to prosecute a war that they provoked. Nevertheless, the dogs unleashed did what war-dogs are trained to do.

    Had Hitler been able to negotiate the Danzig corridor, would there have been a war? I think Pat Buchanan's conclusion is No, it was an unnecessary war, provoked by FDR and Churchill and their feckless, indeed evil and betrayed promises to Poland.

    If you -- and Dr. Jankowski -- have a beef, Avery, take it up with FDR and Churchill -- and their Jewish/zionist colleagues, including Felix Frankfurter, Louis Brandeis, Bernard Baruch, Henry Morgenthau, Samuel Untermeyer, Rabbi Stephen Wise inter alia. They set the train in motion.
    , @L.K
    Avery,

    Your comments r some of the silliest I have read in this thread.

    It always amazes me when foolish people such as yourself, make use of wikipedia on contentious issues, be it WWII or anything else where the Establishment view needs to be maintained.

    Would u also use wiki to understand the regime change war/proxy war on Syria?

    But obviously such a simple concept is beyond your cognitive abilities.

    On matters which are not politicized though, it is quite ok to use wiki.
    So here is one for you, re your constant stupid comments that the Turks from Turkey are Uighurs;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#Genetics
    "Several studies have concluded that the historical and indigenous Anatolian groups are the primary source of the present-day Turkish population...Furthermore, various studies suggested that, although the early Turkic invaders carried out an invasion with cultural significance, including the introduction of the Old Anatolian Turkish language (the predecessor to modern Turkish) and Islam, the genetic contribution from Central Asia may have been very small.k[›][132][136] According to American Journal of Physical Anthropology (2008) Today's Turkish people are more closely related with the Balkan populations than to the Central Asian populations,[137][138] and a study looking into allele frequencies suggested that there was a lack of genetic relationship between the Mongols and the Turks, despite the historical relationship of their languages (The Turks and Germans were equally distant to all three Mongolian populations).[139] Multiple studies suggested an elite cultural dominance-driven linguistic replacement model to explain the adoption of Turkish language by Anatolian indigenous inhabitants." etc, etc.
    , @alexander
    It seems a supreme irony of history, that Israel granted a state of its own, and so thorough in its condemnation of the odious practices of Nazi Germany...would adopt the same practices of "lebensraum" in the West Bank and the Golan Heights..

    I find it fascinating that the New York Times, well aware of Hitlers policies, as most Jews and most Israeli's are, has been so grotesquely silent when Israel commits the self same "lebenraum-ing" in the Palestinian territories..

    I find it equally fascinating , that not one leader in Israel,not one member of the Knesset nor one writer in Israel has ever chosen to describe the behavior for what it is.. "lebensraum"

    It is fascinating too... that in the United States,not one journalist,not one single member of any major news organization, not one pundit , not one congressman, senator, governor or mayor, not one military general, not one member of the state department, not one secretary of state has ever qualified Israeli land grabbing in the Palestinian territories...for what it is..... Lebensraum.

    Even progressive liberal websites refuse to use the terminology.

    A writer for Haaretz, "almost" mentioned it five years ago....and Dan Sanchez was the first to ascribe the term Lebensraum to Israeli land grabbing behavior...in a published article he wrote six months( or so) ago and then once more in his most recent one.

    Does anyone have a rational explanation for this ?

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  181. Avery says:
    @Avery
    Poor, misunderstood Nazis.

    They were living peacefully in Germany when these savage mothers holding their babies invaded and started killing unarmed German soldiers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen#/media/File:Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg


    [Hitler’s plans for extermination of Poles were first stated in his 1927 book Mein Kampf. He called for Germans to give up their attempt to regain their former colonies (lost after WWI) and to revert instead to their ancient “Drang nach Osten” (Push Eastwards) so as to conquer new territories for German expansion (“Lebensraum”) in Poland. Twelve years later, in a speech to the leaders of German armed forces on August 22, 1939 Hitler ordered: “Kill without pity or mercy all men, women or children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space (Lebensraum) we need. The destruction of Poland is our primary task. The aim is… annihilation of living forces.” ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [Already in May 1939, four months before the outbreak of war, the German political police, “Gestapo”, created the unit “Zentralstelle IIP Polen” (Central Unit IIP-Poland) under Reinhardt Heydrich to coordinate the ethnic cleansing of all Poles. Two years later at the infamous Wansee Conference, the same Reinhardt Heydrich coordinated the Final Solution for killing of all the Jews. The code name of the ethnic cleansing of Poles was “Tannenberg,” after the German name of a village where in early 15th century a Polish king defeated and repulsed the medieval German “Push Eastward.” Apparently, 600 years later, the remembrance rankled in the minds of some Germans. ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [At first, and still prior to the outbreak of WWII, 2,000 Poles living in Germany were sent to concentration camps, never to return. The Zentralstelle prepared a special list of 61,000 Polish leaders “Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen” (Special Prosecution Book-Poland) prior to the September 1, 1939 German attack on Poland. Within the first few months of the war, all the Poles on the Zentralstelle list were killed outright or sent to concentration camps to die. They included the nobility, priests, university professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers and other community leaders, and even a prominent sportsman who won the gold medal in his category at the Berlin Olympics in 1936. In the first days of September 1939, in order to terrorize the population, an additional 20,000 randomly captured non-Jewish Poles were killed in the Polish fields and streets, in 310 mass murder actions, including in my own hometown.* Stacks of bodies, mostly women and children, were heaped at the very large square in front of the Cathedral Church. At the same time, in September 1939, about 50,000 civilians were killed by the indiscriminate air bombing during the siege of Warsaw, choosing clearly marked hospitals as the first targets.* There I received my first WWII injury. Ninety-five percent of the city’s buildings was destroyed or damaged. The city looked so horrible that tears run down the face of my father, a veteran of four years in WWI, as he came out of the cellar following the first major aerial bombing. Many more such bombings were to follow.] (Dr. Jan Moor-Jankowski * Asterisks denote author’s own experiences)


    {On August 22, 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language."
    Genocide was to be conducted systematically against Polish people: on September 7, 1939 Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy and Jews are to be killed. On September 12, Wilhelm Keitel added the intelligentsia to the list. On March 15, 1940 Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task." At the end of 1940, Hitler confirmed his pronouncement demanding liquidation of "all leading }

    Poor, falsely maligned, misunderstood Nazis.
    If only the revisionists did a better job of whitewashing the crimes of Nazi war criminals.

    So there is this city, Stalingrad, deep inside Germany.
    So these Red Army hordes decided to invade Germany and capture the prize city.

    Hitler assigned the glorious honor of defending the ancient, historic German city of Stalingrad to the 6th Army, headed by General Paulus (later Field Marshal). Paulus had 300,000 tough, but peaceful Nazi defenders under his command.
    The peaceful Nazis defenders of their historic city put up a heroic fight against Red Army invaders. But in the end, it was too much even for the noble Nazi defenders. All but a few 1,000 of the 300,000 Nazi murdering scum were annihilated.

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  182. schmenz says:
    @Avery
    Poor, misunderstood Nazis.

    They were living peacefully in Germany when these savage mothers holding their babies invaded and started killing unarmed German soldiers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen#/media/File:Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg


    [Hitler’s plans for extermination of Poles were first stated in his 1927 book Mein Kampf. He called for Germans to give up their attempt to regain their former colonies (lost after WWI) and to revert instead to their ancient “Drang nach Osten” (Push Eastwards) so as to conquer new territories for German expansion (“Lebensraum”) in Poland. Twelve years later, in a speech to the leaders of German armed forces on August 22, 1939 Hitler ordered: “Kill without pity or mercy all men, women or children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space (Lebensraum) we need. The destruction of Poland is our primary task. The aim is… annihilation of living forces.” ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [Already in May 1939, four months before the outbreak of war, the German political police, “Gestapo”, created the unit “Zentralstelle IIP Polen” (Central Unit IIP-Poland) under Reinhardt Heydrich to coordinate the ethnic cleansing of all Poles. Two years later at the infamous Wansee Conference, the same Reinhardt Heydrich coordinated the Final Solution for killing of all the Jews. The code name of the ethnic cleansing of Poles was “Tannenberg,” after the German name of a village where in early 15th century a Polish king defeated and repulsed the medieval German “Push Eastward.” Apparently, 600 years later, the remembrance rankled in the minds of some Germans. ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [At first, and still prior to the outbreak of WWII, 2,000 Poles living in Germany were sent to concentration camps, never to return. The Zentralstelle prepared a special list of 61,000 Polish leaders “Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen” (Special Prosecution Book-Poland) prior to the September 1, 1939 German attack on Poland. Within the first few months of the war, all the Poles on the Zentralstelle list were killed outright or sent to concentration camps to die. They included the nobility, priests, university professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers and other community leaders, and even a prominent sportsman who won the gold medal in his category at the Berlin Olympics in 1936. In the first days of September 1939, in order to terrorize the population, an additional 20,000 randomly captured non-Jewish Poles were killed in the Polish fields and streets, in 310 mass murder actions, including in my own hometown.* Stacks of bodies, mostly women and children, were heaped at the very large square in front of the Cathedral Church. At the same time, in September 1939, about 50,000 civilians were killed by the indiscriminate air bombing during the siege of Warsaw, choosing clearly marked hospitals as the first targets.* There I received my first WWII injury. Ninety-five percent of the city’s buildings was destroyed or damaged. The city looked so horrible that tears run down the face of my father, a veteran of four years in WWI, as he came out of the cellar following the first major aerial bombing. Many more such bombings were to follow.] (Dr. Jan Moor-Jankowski * Asterisks denote author’s own experiences)


    {On August 22, 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language."
    Genocide was to be conducted systematically against Polish people: on September 7, 1939 Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy and Jews are to be killed. On September 12, Wilhelm Keitel added the intelligentsia to the list. On March 15, 1940 Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task." At the end of 1940, Hitler confirmed his pronouncement demanding liquidation of "all leading }

    Poor, falsely maligned, misunderstood Nazis.
    If only the revisionists did a better job of whitewashing the crimes of Nazi war criminals.

    Avery,

    I didn’t see anything in LK’s comment that indicated sympathy for the idiocies of Naziism. I saw a sympathy for quite a few people in his comment, including Germans, but not any ideology. Interestingly, on another site I occasionally comment on, any sympathy expressed by me towards Russia or the Russian people is greeted by comments claiming I’m a crypto-Communist.

    My 2 cents anyway.

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    any sympathy expressed by me towards Russia or the Russian people is greeted by comments claiming I’m a crypto-Communist.

    My 2 cents anyway.
     
    I think you meant to say "My 2 rubles anyway." Typical crypto-Commie tactic, always pretending to use the dollar system. I'm on to you, schmenz! ;)
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  183. @Avery
    Poor, misunderstood Nazis.

    They were living peacefully in Germany when these savage mothers holding their babies invaded and started killing unarmed German soldiers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen#/media/File:Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg


    [Hitler’s plans for extermination of Poles were first stated in his 1927 book Mein Kampf. He called for Germans to give up their attempt to regain their former colonies (lost after WWI) and to revert instead to their ancient “Drang nach Osten” (Push Eastwards) so as to conquer new territories for German expansion (“Lebensraum”) in Poland. Twelve years later, in a speech to the leaders of German armed forces on August 22, 1939 Hitler ordered: “Kill without pity or mercy all men, women or children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space (Lebensraum) we need. The destruction of Poland is our primary task. The aim is… annihilation of living forces.” ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [Already in May 1939, four months before the outbreak of war, the German political police, “Gestapo”, created the unit “Zentralstelle IIP Polen” (Central Unit IIP-Poland) under Reinhardt Heydrich to coordinate the ethnic cleansing of all Poles. Two years later at the infamous Wansee Conference, the same Reinhardt Heydrich coordinated the Final Solution for killing of all the Jews. The code name of the ethnic cleansing of Poles was “Tannenberg,” after the German name of a village where in early 15th century a Polish king defeated and repulsed the medieval German “Push Eastward.” Apparently, 600 years later, the remembrance rankled in the minds of some Germans. ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [At first, and still prior to the outbreak of WWII, 2,000 Poles living in Germany were sent to concentration camps, never to return. The Zentralstelle prepared a special list of 61,000 Polish leaders “Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen” (Special Prosecution Book-Poland) prior to the September 1, 1939 German attack on Poland. Within the first few months of the war, all the Poles on the Zentralstelle list were killed outright or sent to concentration camps to die. They included the nobility, priests, university professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers and other community leaders, and even a prominent sportsman who won the gold medal in his category at the Berlin Olympics in 1936. In the first days of September 1939, in order to terrorize the population, an additional 20,000 randomly captured non-Jewish Poles were killed in the Polish fields and streets, in 310 mass murder actions, including in my own hometown.* Stacks of bodies, mostly women and children, were heaped at the very large square in front of the Cathedral Church. At the same time, in September 1939, about 50,000 civilians were killed by the indiscriminate air bombing during the siege of Warsaw, choosing clearly marked hospitals as the first targets.* There I received my first WWII injury. Ninety-five percent of the city’s buildings was destroyed or damaged. The city looked so horrible that tears run down the face of my father, a veteran of four years in WWI, as he came out of the cellar following the first major aerial bombing. Many more such bombings were to follow.] (Dr. Jan Moor-Jankowski * Asterisks denote author’s own experiences)


    {On August 22, 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language."
    Genocide was to be conducted systematically against Polish people: on September 7, 1939 Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy and Jews are to be killed. On September 12, Wilhelm Keitel added the intelligentsia to the list. On March 15, 1940 Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task." At the end of 1940, Hitler confirmed his pronouncement demanding liquidation of "all leading }

    Poor, falsely maligned, misunderstood Nazis.
    If only the revisionists did a better job of whitewashing the crimes of Nazi war criminals.

    more from Jankowski’s rendition of the acts of poor misunderstood Nazis:

    http://www.warsawuprising.com/paper/jankowski1.htm

    “Only in 2002, did I learn that the prisoners were periodically executed in the gas chambers and crematoria of the KLW. Records show that immediately after the flight of Germans in 1945, the large area of the camp and its surrounds; the sewers and manholes were found filled with ashes and ground human bones. Almost immediately, in 1945, however, NKWD took over the camp and continued to use it with its gas chambers and crematoria to kill Poles opposed the Soviet takeover. In 2002, the present Polish authorities halted the investigation of the Camp’s history by the Polish judge, Maria Trzcinska. She has been investigating KLW since 1973, most recently for the Polish Institute of National Remembrance. Many members of the current Polish government, however, are former communist “nomenklatura,” who may wish their past NKWD connections not to be known. Judge Trzcinska published independently the results of her investigation. The publication caused uproar in Poland. This is an example of the difficulties that exist, even today, to ascertain the truth of the Polish Holocaust.”

    Avery — I’m keenly and personally aware of the devastation carried out against Poles by Germans and Bolsheviks. My school teachers were Polish nuns of the order of St. Francis. They were trained to be domestics — housekeepers for the priests and for the teaching nuns of their order. Their English was not that good, and their pedagogical skills entirely lacking, but here they were, teaching elementary school students in a Polish Catholic parish in the American Midwest. They had survived and made it to USA. The intelligentsia of their order had not.

    Two of Jankowski’s quotes refer to Hitler’s speeches in 1939. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof examines those speeches in 1939: The War that had Many Fathers. Regarding the August speech, at which Schultze-Rhonhof writes:

    “Since the beginning of 1939 Hitler makes no progress with his efforts over Danzig and the Corridor. He has extended to Poland offers of negotiation and finally threatened it with war. . . .
    [A very large group of generals has been assembled at Obersalzberg for the speech. They expect to learn whether Hitler] wants war at any cost, or whether with the massive pressure from the threat of war he is trying to wrest the German city of Danzig from Poland. . . .

    Hitler begins the speech with the declaration that he has now decided to wage war against Poland. But as the discussions continue between the Reich government and Poland, it is quite possible that these words belong only to Hitler’s threat-scenario. In the case of Czechia, a half year earlier, Hitler had achieved his goal merely with the invasion announcement. At that time no shot was fired.”

    The second, key element of the August speech that Schultze-Rhonhof examines is the various renditions of the speech, and the ways that they are used at Nuremberg. The CYA rule is in full force. Furthermore, as the first passage quoted in this comment suggests — that the NKWD picked up where the Germans left off, and that even today, Russians have an interest in concealing their role in the slaughter of Poles — versions of the speech used at Nuremberg (and presumably by Jankowski) were selected to cover this or that particular ass, whether it be the derrière of a German general or of an NKWD apparatchik.

    Schultze-Rhonhof devotes ten pages to a “comparison of the transcripts [of the speech, which is] like a piece of a detective novel.” Although German text books and school children are fed “quotes from Hitler’s own mouth” that he “harbored plans for world conquest,” validated by the agreement in two sets of notes about the speech, those of Colonel General Halder and of General Admiral Hermann Boehm, in fact, Gen. Boehm and the superior to whom he submitted it, Raeder, refuted numerous of the “explosive” statements such as those Jankowski relied upon, line by line, in a recorded interrogation taken by their lawyer and offered to the Nuremberg judge (who had denied the motion that Raeder and Boehm be called as witnesses).

    “[lawyer, Siemers submits] The record of the interrogation . . .Boehm’s hearing is recorded in the transcript of the court proceeding with the day . . .and the document number, but does not appear in the volume of the documents of the IMT [International Military Tribunal].

    Schultze-Rhonhof includes at least a dozen statements taken from the transcript of the speech, and the recorded declaration by either Raeder or Boehm that “that sentence was not used.”

    Boehm records in his notes on the August speech:

    “Hitler declared in this speech his motives for a war soon against Poland . . .
    ‘It is clear . . .that a political relationship with Poland, as it now exists, is unsustainable in the long term. . . .[The] attempts at a compromise [were] disrupted by England, which worked itself up into hysteria and prompted Poland to insolent notes and military measures . . . For England, however, a lasting period of instability (between Poland and Germany) was and is desired in order that, when it itself wants to attack, it be able at any time to unleash Poland on the other side.’ “

    Hitler’s assessment, as Boehm recorded them, are supported by the communications between the Roosevelt administration and that of Churchill, and by the decisions and actions taken by those powers. In a discussion of Roosevelt’s military leadership in World War II, British-American historian Nigel Hamilton said that

    “Churchill knew as well as FDR that it would be very very difficult, given the collapse of the British —although the British had declared war on Hitler because of the German invasion of Poland — it would actually be completely impossible for the British to defeat Hitler once France fell in 1940, and that’s why Churchill pursued the alliance with the United States. . . .
    I don’t think Churchill ever dreamed that US & British could liberate Poland, given the strength of the Germans in 1942 and 1943. It simply wasn’t in the cards that they could defend — could invade and protect Poland against Soviet forces, which were their allies.
    And so there’s been a great deal of discussion about it because obviously it’s sort of tragic to surrender to the Russians knowing what they are going to do. I mean both Roosevelt and Churchill knew that it was the Russians who had murdered tens of thousands of Polish officers at Katyn. And you know
    to preserve the United Nations and the alliance with the Soviet Union we had to pretend that uh the Germans were responsible for the Katyn massacre but it was quite clear both to FDR and to Churchill that the Russians did it. And uh there is a source that says that Cardinal Spellman in New York — Roosevelt had said in the summer of 1943, he was very sorry but . . . as things look, in 1943, we will defeat the third reich but we will not be able to save Poland, and it may be decades before Poland will become free. Pretty prophetic, that statement. ” http://www.c-span.org/video/?319420-4/roosevelts-role-preparing-dday

    Raeder was sentenced to life imprisonment; he had expected to be executed. A search for Nuremberg’s disposition of Admiral Hermann Boehm was inconclusive: the Harvard University archive includes Nuremberg testimony of eugenecist Dr. Hermann Boehm but not of Admiral Boehm. Schultze-Rhonhof referenced the papers of lawyer Siemers as his source for Boehm’s and Raeder’s refutation of the distorted transcript of Hitler’s speech used at the trial. One assumes Jankowski relied on the cherry-picked and massively replicated but erroneous version of events rather than those as recorded in the Siemers papers.

    The German attacks on Poland and on Stalingrad were in the course of a war that the Germans did not want (see Norman Finkelstein on this point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ ) but that Roosevelt needed (see British historian Nicholas Wapshott http://www.amazon.com/Sphinx-Franklin-Roosevelt-Isolationists-World/dp/039308888X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1451241142&sr=8-2&keywords=nicholas+wapshott ) and had been preparing for from shortly after he took office in 1933 (see Jean Edward Smith, FDR), and that Churchill was paid and seduced to provoke, even though the British had neither the financial nor military nor moral competence to prosecute a war that they provoked. Nevertheless, the dogs unleashed did what war-dogs are trained to do.

    Had Hitler been able to negotiate the Danzig corridor, would there have been a war? I think Pat Buchanan’s conclusion is No, it was an unnecessary war, provoked by FDR and Churchill and their feckless, indeed evil and betrayed promises to Poland.

    If you — and Dr. Jankowski — have a beef, Avery, take it up with FDR and Churchill — and their Jewish/zionist colleagues, including Felix Frankfurter, Louis Brandeis, Bernard Baruch, Henry Morgenthau, Samuel Untermeyer, Rabbi Stephen Wise inter alia. They set the train in motion.

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    Keep trying.
    But you are wasting your time throwing up a lot smoke and revisionist dust..

    Go ahead and explain away the Nazi filth murdering an unarmed, defenseless mother holding he baby.

    You Neo-Nazi apologists are beneath contempt.
    How do you Neo-Nazis justify a "soldier" murdering a mother and her baby in cold blood.
    Go ahead: try to explain.
    Maybe you can blame that on Stalin too.
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  184. L.K says:
    @Avery
    Poor, misunderstood Nazis.

    They were living peacefully in Germany when these savage mothers holding their babies invaded and started killing unarmed German soldiers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen#/media/File:Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg


    [Hitler’s plans for extermination of Poles were first stated in his 1927 book Mein Kampf. He called for Germans to give up their attempt to regain their former colonies (lost after WWI) and to revert instead to their ancient “Drang nach Osten” (Push Eastwards) so as to conquer new territories for German expansion (“Lebensraum”) in Poland. Twelve years later, in a speech to the leaders of German armed forces on August 22, 1939 Hitler ordered: “Kill without pity or mercy all men, women or children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space (Lebensraum) we need. The destruction of Poland is our primary task. The aim is… annihilation of living forces.” ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [Already in May 1939, four months before the outbreak of war, the German political police, “Gestapo”, created the unit “Zentralstelle IIP Polen” (Central Unit IIP-Poland) under Reinhardt Heydrich to coordinate the ethnic cleansing of all Poles. Two years later at the infamous Wansee Conference, the same Reinhardt Heydrich coordinated the Final Solution for killing of all the Jews. The code name of the ethnic cleansing of Poles was “Tannenberg,” after the German name of a village where in early 15th century a Polish king defeated and repulsed the medieval German “Push Eastward.” Apparently, 600 years later, the remembrance rankled in the minds of some Germans. ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [At first, and still prior to the outbreak of WWII, 2,000 Poles living in Germany were sent to concentration camps, never to return. The Zentralstelle prepared a special list of 61,000 Polish leaders “Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen” (Special Prosecution Book-Poland) prior to the September 1, 1939 German attack on Poland. Within the first few months of the war, all the Poles on the Zentralstelle list were killed outright or sent to concentration camps to die. They included the nobility, priests, university professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers and other community leaders, and even a prominent sportsman who won the gold medal in his category at the Berlin Olympics in 1936. In the first days of September 1939, in order to terrorize the population, an additional 20,000 randomly captured non-Jewish Poles were killed in the Polish fields and streets, in 310 mass murder actions, including in my own hometown.* Stacks of bodies, mostly women and children, were heaped at the very large square in front of the Cathedral Church. At the same time, in September 1939, about 50,000 civilians were killed by the indiscriminate air bombing during the siege of Warsaw, choosing clearly marked hospitals as the first targets.* There I received my first WWII injury. Ninety-five percent of the city’s buildings was destroyed or damaged. The city looked so horrible that tears run down the face of my father, a veteran of four years in WWI, as he came out of the cellar following the first major aerial bombing. Many more such bombings were to follow.] (Dr. Jan Moor-Jankowski * Asterisks denote author’s own experiences)


    {On August 22, 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language."
    Genocide was to be conducted systematically against Polish people: on September 7, 1939 Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy and Jews are to be killed. On September 12, Wilhelm Keitel added the intelligentsia to the list. On March 15, 1940 Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task." At the end of 1940, Hitler confirmed his pronouncement demanding liquidation of "all leading }

    Poor, falsely maligned, misunderstood Nazis.
    If only the revisionists did a better job of whitewashing the crimes of Nazi war criminals.

    Avery,

    Your comments r some of the silliest I have read in this thread.

    It always amazes me when foolish people such as yourself, make use of wikipedia on contentious issues, be it WWII or anything else where the Establishment view needs to be maintained.

    Would u also use wiki to understand the regime change war/proxy war on Syria?

    But obviously such a simple concept is beyond your cognitive abilities.

    On matters which are not politicized though, it is quite ok to use wiki.
    So here is one for you, re your constant stupid comments that the Turks from Turkey are Uighurs;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#Genetics

    Several studies have concluded that the historical and indigenous Anatolian groups are the primary source of the present-day Turkish population…Furthermore, various studies suggested that, although the early Turkic invaders carried out an invasion with cultural significance, including the introduction of the Old Anatolian Turkish language (the predecessor to modern Turkish) and Islam, the genetic contribution from Central Asia may have been very small.k[›][132][136] According to American Journal of Physical Anthropology (2008) Today’s Turkish people are more closely related with the Balkan populations than to the Central Asian populations,[137][138] and a study looking into allele frequencies suggested that there was a lack of genetic relationship between the Mongols and the Turks, despite the historical relationship of their languages (The Turks and Germans were equally distant to all three Mongolian populations).[139] Multiple studies suggested an elite cultural dominance-driven linguistic replacement model to explain the adoption of Turkish language by Anatolian indigenous inhabitants.” etc, etc.

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    {Your comments r some of the silliest I have read in this thread.}

    Then don't read them.

    {So here is one for you, re your constant stupid comments that the Turks from Turkey are Uighurs;}

    I could try to explain, but you are too stupid to understand.

    {"It always amazes me when foolish people such as yourself, make use of wikipedia on contentious issues, "}: are you too stupid to realize what you just wrote and are you too stupid to realize that you are relying on Wiki to promote your stupid interpretation of a "contentious issue", you Idiot ?

    {It always amazes me when foolish people such as yourself, make use of wikipedia on contentious issues, be it WWII or anything else where the Establishment view needs to be maintained.}.

    Are you too stupid, or too visually challenged, or simply a standard issue Neo-Nazi Idiot to observe a historic photograph and understand that a Nazi goon is murdering an unarmed, defenseless woman holding a baby?

    What does Wiki have to do with that and what is contentious about that picture, you Neo-Nazi Idiot ? It is simply a Wiki link to a historic photograph, you bird-brained Neo-Nazi slug.

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  185. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Art
    "It is the Constitution not the Bible that has gotten us to the greatness of our past"

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
     
    That statement is straight out of Christian philosophy. It is a Christian statement – period. It is not Jewish, it is not Muslim, it is not Hindi, it is not Confusion, and it is not Buddhist

    Every great movement or religion has two aspects to it – the first aspect is about how the individual should relate to a deity – God. The second aspect of each religion is how we as individuals should relate to each other. Each religion has a philosophy for living with each other.

    That statement in the Declaration of Independence is Christian philosophy 101.

    You do not have to be a religious Christian to live that statement or philosophy. (Although it helps.)

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    That statement is straight out of Christian philosophy. It is a Christian statement – period. It is not Jewish, it is not Muslim, it is not Hindi, it is not Confusion, and it is not Buddhist

    I think that RTW is absolutely correct in his statement that you have a certain aspect of “Christian supremacist understanding” to your views. Whether it be the Jewish Right to Life philosophy of “Thou shalt not kill” from the Torah or the Muslim Right to Liberty philosophy of “there shall be no coercion in matters of faith” from the Qur’an or the Buddhist Pursuit of Happiness philosophy of “If one speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows one, like a shadow that never leaves.” from the Dhammapada, these are Universal Truths that transcend across the whole spectrum of spiritual philosophies and are not some special hidden knowledge that one particular religion has had revealed to them. I think of it as more of a remembrance or tapping into and downloading of the Universal Knowledge than a revelation, but for the purposes of this discussion in regards to religion, I refer to it as revealed. In my view, the spiritual philosophies of Universal Eternal Truths are “systematically revealed on this earth from age to age” and then systematically hidden on this earth from age to age by organized religion.

    While I agree with your choosing to look at this issue, and life in general, from more of a Philosophical Christian point of view (which I agree with because it seems to me to be more about Spirituality than Religion), I disagree with your attributing the greatness of our foundation’s principles solely to Christianity and wonder how you reconcile this belief with some of the more blatantly obvious inspirations like Greek Philosophy or the Enlightenment. I’m also curious what your feelings are about the influence that Freemasonry(pre-Illuminati) had on our founding principles.

    http://www.earlyamerica.com/early-america-review/volume-2/secular-government/

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  186. L.K says:
    @Kiza

    ...your ignorant attack on Viktor Suvorov tells me you have no idea what you are talking about… or worse
     
    Ooops, I steered up the Victor Suvorov fan club. I just feel too relaxed on this long weekend to address the long quasi-history that you wrote. In history, there are fashions, as in cloths and shoes. You are a follower, I am not. If you thought that I was defending Stalin's horrible crimes, then either I did not make myself clear or you are just looking for someone to bash verbally.

    Finally, let me ask you just two related questions: are you dumb ... or worse that you do not notice Suvorov using Soviet and Russian interchangeably in his cheap historical comedy show (Did Suvorov ever mention what the nationality of the bank-robber was)? Is this not exactly what the West has been doing since 1991, in all its propaganda?

    I rest my case and will leave you to enjoy your historical fashion until a new one arrives.

    So kiza,

    Besides your silly ad hominem attacks on Suvorov and myself, you got n-o-t-h-i-n-g.

    Best stick to those issues you have some command of…
    WWII clearly ain’t one of them.

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    oooh
    ouch

    I've heard of brand spanking but you seem to be engaged in Brand Tanking, L.K

    You've posted some spectacular comments.

    So has Kiza.

    I've learned a lot from both of you

    Can't we all just get along -- or at least disagree with civility, on the facts, not personalities.
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  187. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @schmenz
    Avery,

    I didn't see anything in LK's comment that indicated sympathy for the idiocies of Naziism. I saw a sympathy for quite a few people in his comment, including Germans, but not any ideology. Interestingly, on another site I occasionally comment on, any sympathy expressed by me towards Russia or the Russian people is greeted by comments claiming I'm a crypto-Communist.

    My 2 cents anyway.

    any sympathy expressed by me towards Russia or the Russian people is greeted by comments claiming I’m a crypto-Communist.

    My 2 cents anyway.

    I think you meant to say “My 2 rubles anyway.” Typical crypto-Commie tactic, always pretending to use the dollar system. I’m on to you, schmenz! ;)

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  188. L.K says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and those you hold dear, L.K.

    I agree that FDR etc. was sinister -- make that evil -- to a depth not even Dante knew to plumb.

    Despite an earlier jibe, time is not a bottomless commodity. Moreover, 5 minutes of informed comment requires 5 days of focused reading and study. When the effort to arrive at reality,* it is confounded by the mountain of lies that have to be disproved, disentangled, and the whole edifice reassembled. Your response (#160) to Kiza reflects half-a-lifetime of work, for which I and the Unz forum are in your debt.

    Ronald Thomas West is engaged in a discussion of US Founders. It is my hypothesis that FDR wrenched the American people and form of Constitutional republicanism so far off of the path the Founders had blazed that it is difficult to contemplate if or how the diversion can be redressed. My Italian forebears preferred to speak of Risorgimento rather than revolution; I think the US needs to rediscover its birthright.

    Thanks for the flowers Solonto and schmenz.

    Solonto:
    “time is not a bottomless commodity”

    That’s right, so much to do, so little time!

    Btw, I’m Italian on my mothers side, from Veneto and Piedmont.
    Ah, Bella Italia!
    The following vid from Cesena, Italy, always makes me feel better, even if/when i’m having a shitty day.
    1000 musicians from all over Italy got together in the summer of 2015, and played ‘Learn to Fly’ by Foo Fighters to ask Dave Grohl to go play in Cesena, Italy:

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  189. @L.K
    So kiza,

    Besides your silly ad hominem attacks on Suvorov and myself, you got n-o-t-h-i-n-g.

    Best stick to those issues you have some command of...
    WWII clearly ain't one of them.

    oooh
    ouch

    I’ve heard of brand spanking but you seem to be engaged in Brand Tanking, L.K

    You’ve posted some spectacular comments.

    So has Kiza.

    I’ve learned a lot from both of you

    Can’t we all just get along — or at least disagree with civility, on the facts, not personalities.

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    Hey SC,

    I've been trying to catch up a little here.

    I agree that some great commenters sometimes don't see eye to eye.

    My take on who started WWII was the Bolsheviks. I've always said that the Nazis were a direct consequence of the genocidal Bolshevik Fiend.

    No Bolsheviks = No Nazis

    But when the Bolshes took over Russia (much like they have the US today), it became prudent for the citizens of Europe to find a method to survive, and as regrettable as Nazism was in the end, that was simply the only game in town if you didn't want to taste dirt.

    my two centavos
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  190. L.K says:
    @Old Jew
    Ivan,

    I agree with you.

    See my reply to Kiza.

    Injustice was done. Arabs from Palestine were/are not guilty/responsible for the Holocaust.

    After 1945 Jews were an endangered species, so UN decided (in 1947) to create a natural refuge for them, in the Holly Land. Arabs were not consulted, or overridden.

    Most of the Israeli Army are born in Israel. Where shall they go back to, their mother's Poland or their father's Morocco?

    Arabs claiming their right to return were born in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan (in refugee camps).

    It would be great if their lands of birth, let them build a future.

    On "Stolen Land" or not, the Israeli soldiers will not return their apartments, to the grandchildren of the 1948 Arab refugees.

    God knows what the future will bring, but my wish is: Israel shall survive.

    sf

    The Jews were hardly an “endangered species” at the end of WWII.
    Even if the holo tales of 6 million dead and homicidal gas chambers were true, and they are not, there were plenty of Jews in the US and elsewhere.
    But in fact, in Europe itself, there were millions of jews who had survived the war.
    The absolutely huge number of ‘holo survivors’ even today, underscores this fact.
    In 2003 Israeli demographer, Sergio Della Pergola, stated in an official Israeli report that there were 1.092,000 Jewish holocaust survivors alive in the world in 2003. Those huge numbers imply that there were many millions of Jewish “holocaust survivors” alive at the end of the war.
    The UN had NO mandate to give more than half of Palestinian land to european jewish immigrants who owned less than 7% of the land and represented only about 30% of the total population in 1948.
    You complain about israelis returning their apartments but do not mention these apartments have been built upon stolen land. No mention the stolen palestinian homes, many of which still exist and r inhabited by “israelis’ today. Some of the palestinian refugees still have the keys to their houses.

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  191. alexander says:
    @Avery
    Poor, misunderstood Nazis.

    They were living peacefully in Germany when these savage mothers holding their babies invaded and started killing unarmed German soldiers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen#/media/File:Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg


    [Hitler’s plans for extermination of Poles were first stated in his 1927 book Mein Kampf. He called for Germans to give up their attempt to regain their former colonies (lost after WWI) and to revert instead to their ancient “Drang nach Osten” (Push Eastwards) so as to conquer new territories for German expansion (“Lebensraum”) in Poland. Twelve years later, in a speech to the leaders of German armed forces on August 22, 1939 Hitler ordered: “Kill without pity or mercy all men, women or children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space (Lebensraum) we need. The destruction of Poland is our primary task. The aim is… annihilation of living forces.” ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [Already in May 1939, four months before the outbreak of war, the German political police, “Gestapo”, created the unit “Zentralstelle IIP Polen” (Central Unit IIP-Poland) under Reinhardt Heydrich to coordinate the ethnic cleansing of all Poles. Two years later at the infamous Wansee Conference, the same Reinhardt Heydrich coordinated the Final Solution for killing of all the Jews. The code name of the ethnic cleansing of Poles was “Tannenberg,” after the German name of a village where in early 15th century a Polish king defeated and repulsed the medieval German “Push Eastward.” Apparently, 600 years later, the remembrance rankled in the minds of some Germans. ] (Jankowski)

    Stalinist propaganda.

    [At first, and still prior to the outbreak of WWII, 2,000 Poles living in Germany were sent to concentration camps, never to return. The Zentralstelle prepared a special list of 61,000 Polish leaders “Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen” (Special Prosecution Book-Poland) prior to the September 1, 1939 German attack on Poland. Within the first few months of the war, all the Poles on the Zentralstelle list were killed outright or sent to concentration camps to die. They included the nobility, priests, university professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers and other community leaders, and even a prominent sportsman who won the gold medal in his category at the Berlin Olympics in 1936. In the first days of September 1939, in order to terrorize the population, an additional 20,000 randomly captured non-Jewish Poles were killed in the Polish fields and streets, in 310 mass murder actions, including in my own hometown.* Stacks of bodies, mostly women and children, were heaped at the very large square in front of the Cathedral Church. At the same time, in September 1939, about 50,000 civilians were killed by the indiscriminate air bombing during the siege of Warsaw, choosing clearly marked hospitals as the first targets.* There I received my first WWII injury. Ninety-five percent of the city’s buildings was destroyed or damaged. The city looked so horrible that tears run down the face of my father, a veteran of four years in WWI, as he came out of the cellar following the first major aerial bombing. Many more such bombings were to follow.] (Dr. Jan Moor-Jankowski * Asterisks denote author’s own experiences)


    {On August 22, 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill "without pity or mercy, all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language."
    Genocide was to be conducted systematically against Polish people: on September 7, 1939 Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy and Jews are to be killed. On September 12, Wilhelm Keitel added the intelligentsia to the list. On March 15, 1940 Himmler stated: "All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task." At the end of 1940, Hitler confirmed his pronouncement demanding liquidation of "all leading }

    Poor, falsely maligned, misunderstood Nazis.
    If only the revisionists did a better job of whitewashing the crimes of Nazi war criminals.

    It seems a supreme irony of history, that Israel granted a state of its own, and so thorough in its condemnation of the odious practices of Nazi Germany…would adopt the same practices of “lebensraum” in the West Bank and the Golan Heights..

    I find it fascinating that the New York Times, well aware of Hitlers policies, as most Jews and most Israeli’s are, has been so grotesquely silent when Israel commits the self same “lebenraum-ing” in the Palestinian territories..

    I find it equally fascinating , that not one leader in Israel,not one member of the Knesset nor one writer in Israel has ever chosen to describe the behavior for what it is.. “lebensraum”

    It is fascinating too… that in the United States,not one journalist,not one single member of any major news organization, not one pundit , not one congressman, senator, governor or mayor, not one military general, not one member of the state department, not one secretary of state has ever qualified Israeli land grabbing in the Palestinian territories…for what it is….. Lebensraum.

    Even progressive liberal websites refuse to use the terminology.

    A writer for Haaretz, “almost” mentioned it five years ago….and Dan Sanchez was the first to ascribe the term Lebensraum to Israeli land grabbing behavior…in a published article he wrote six months( or so) ago and then once more in his most recent one.

    Does anyone have a rational explanation for this ?

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    Does anyone have a rational explanation for this ?
     
    yea

    perfectly rational:

    The lebensraum meme as applied to Germany is hyped, overdone, exaggerated, propagandized for the purpose of demonizing Germany. Generalplan Ost was the product of academics -- think-tankers. Hitler seized on it, mentioning it in Mein Kampf, so the story goes. But neither he nor the NSDAP leadership/military made definite plans to implement it. And Germany never did implement Generalplan Ost.

    Israel, on the other hand, has been operating on an inexact derivative of Generalplan Ost since about 1907, and it is not only still stealing Palestinian land and removing the indigenous people, it's ratcheting up the brutality of the scheme.

    So it's reasonable to guess that papers like Haaretz do not call Israeli zionist land-theft, culture-cide, expansionism and ethnic cleansing lebensraum is because it is not an intelligent comparison. In fact, it is a stupid comparison, calculated only to enflame and stimulate all the negative emotions that the world has been conditioned to associate with Nazi and Hitler and swastika.

    It's a lowest common denominator-kind of argument; it's dumb and it's counterproductive.

    Proffering such arguments in an attempt to call Israel to account makes it far less likely that the truth of who did what to whom, when, why and how in the WWI, Weimar, and WWII era can be told. The lebensraum concept applied to Israel delights people like Netanyahu -- it rolls off the backs of die-hard zionists even as it reinforces the Nazi = evil narrative that makes zionists orgasmic.

    Other than that ----
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  192. geokat62 says:
    @Kiza
    Firstly, I am not your dear.

    Secondly,


    The right to the public lands in the West Bank, was granted not by God, but by the Jordanian state when it attacked Israel in 1967
     
    and you have been punishing ever since by taking more and more land, more and more water, more and more oil & gas. Never ending punishment, until you own everything worth owning.

    Thirdly, again, who gave you the right to decide if a state made up of Gaza and West Bank is not viable. It is not the Zionists who made such state non-viable by making a Swiss-cheese out of them, with settlers always grabbing the best parts?

    Fourthly, the only thing which threatens the existence of Israel is the behavior of the Zionists, Neocons and Likudniks. It is quite telling that you recognize similar "goals" that you project into Hezbollah in a totally unrelated party such as myself. Everyone is against you, everyone threatens the poor victim Israel. It is always in self-defense that you kill Palestinian children playing soccer on the beach, for example. Or is it called "mowing the grass"? Even with all the grass cut, you will get bread out of Israel eventually, just as my nation got bread-out by Muslims from their ancestral land and your Zionists helped ethnically cleanse the last remaining of my people from it with US bombs.

    Finally, no matter how old you and I are, we may all perish in a nuclear war between Russia and the Zionist puppet US, all for your ambitions to acquire what does not belong to you, always in self-defense, of course. This World would be a much better place if the Muslims would stop overpopulating it, and if the Zionists would stop taking other people's property, in self-defense.

    … just as my nation got bread-out by Muslims from their ancestral land and your Zionists helped ethnically cleanse the last remaining of my people from it with US bombs.

    Hi, Kiza. Am I right to infer from the above that you are Serbian?

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  193. Old Jew says:
    @Kiza
    Firstly, I am not your dear.

    Secondly,


    The right to the public lands in the West Bank, was granted not by God, but by the Jordanian state when it attacked Israel in 1967
     
    and you have been punishing ever since by taking more and more land, more and more water, more and more oil & gas. Never ending punishment, until you own everything worth owning.

    Thirdly, again, who gave you the right to decide if a state made up of Gaza and West Bank is not viable. It is not the Zionists who made such state non-viable by making a Swiss-cheese out of them, with settlers always grabbing the best parts?

    Fourthly, the only thing which threatens the existence of Israel is the behavior of the Zionists, Neocons and Likudniks. It is quite telling that you recognize similar "goals" that you project into Hezbollah in a totally unrelated party such as myself. Everyone is against you, everyone threatens the poor victim Israel. It is always in self-defense that you kill Palestinian children playing soccer on the beach, for example. Or is it called "mowing the grass"? Even with all the grass cut, you will get bread out of Israel eventually, just as my nation got bread-out by Muslims from their ancestral land and your Zionists helped ethnically cleanse the last remaining of my people from it with US bombs.

    Finally, no matter how old you and I are, we may all perish in a nuclear war between Russia and the Zionist puppet US, all for your ambitions to acquire what does not belong to you, always in self-defense, of course. This World would be a much better place if the Muslims would stop overpopulating it, and if the Zionists would stop taking other people's property, in self-defense.

    Kiza,

    Is “Kosovo Pole” part of your ancestral land?

    2. The USA is not a “Zionist puppet”.

    As, all other countries, it is a run by Government for the interest of its Wealthy.

    Not, your Wealthy.

    Be sure the USA Government does not run the country for the benefit of its unemployed
    underclass.

    Most wealthy Americans are not Jews. As long as the policies towards Israel do not affect
    them, does not disturb them, they’ll allow US Jewish citizens to influence the national Government policies toward Israel.

    The moment it will affect them, or they’d be made to believe that the policies towards Israel, affect their interests or safety, the Jews will be muzzled. Giraldi tries very hard to convince Americans ruling classes, that pro Israel policies are damaging.

    He lies too much, plays on emotions, does not provide hard numbers.

    He may convince leftist college students that stand for BDS. Perhaps when their generation
    takes over the reins of the Government, they will institute more anti-Israel policies.

    History has humbled Europe more than once.

    USA not yet.

    Al-Queda or ISIS attempts to “teach reason” to Americans, have not yet cause change in policies.

    All it caused: “Go get them!” . [and Plenty of collateral victims.]

    The Giraldi tribe, has a much better chance to succeed, than the Jihadis.

    But they’ll have to stop “playing fast and loose” with facts, and stick to verifiable info.

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    Giraldi tries very hard to convince Americans ruling classes, that pro Israel policies are damaging.

    He lies too much, plays on emotions, does not provide hard numbers....

    But the [Giraldi tribe] have to stop “playing fast and loose” with facts, and stick to verifiable info.
     
    What about Mearsheimer and Walt? Why don't you tell us how their thesis (that pro Israel policies are damaging to the US national interest) falls short?

    Oh yeah, and be sure to not play "fast and loose with facts, and stick to verifiable info."
    , @Junior
    I have a feeling that I'm gonna regret this for encouraging the nice mess of nonsense that's about to ensue, but I can't help myself. So, I apologize to all in advance. The hook is just so damn shiny and tantalizing :)

    He lies too much, plays on emotions, does not provide hard numbers.
     
    Such as? I'd love to see some examples of these lies of Mr. Giraldi's that you are referring to. Please do share, o.

    @geokat62
    What a day when the tables have turned :)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCznHilLo3M

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  194. geokat62 says:
    @Old Jew
    Kiza,

    Is "Kosovo Pole" part of your ancestral land?

    2. The USA is not a "Zionist puppet".

    As, all other countries, it is a run by Government for the interest of its Wealthy.

    Not, your Wealthy.

    Be sure the USA Government does not run the country for the benefit of its unemployed
    underclass.

    Most wealthy Americans are not Jews. As long as the policies towards Israel do not affect
    them, does not disturb them, they'll allow US Jewish citizens to influence the national Government policies toward Israel.

    The moment it will affect them, or they'd be made to believe that the policies towards Israel, affect their interests or safety, the Jews will be muzzled. Giraldi tries very hard to convince Americans ruling classes, that pro Israel policies are damaging.

    He lies too much, plays on emotions, does not provide hard numbers.

    He may convince leftist college students that stand for BDS. Perhaps when their generation
    takes over the reins of the Government, they will institute more anti-Israel policies.


    History has humbled Europe more than once.

    USA not yet.

    Al-Queda or ISIS attempts to "teach reason" to Americans, have not yet cause change in policies.

    All it caused: "Go get them!" . [and Plenty of collateral victims.]

    The Giraldi tribe, has a much better chance to succeed, than the Jihadis.

    But they'll have to stop "playing fast and loose" with facts, and stick to verifiable info.

    Giraldi tries very hard to convince Americans ruling classes, that pro Israel policies are damaging.

    He lies too much, plays on emotions, does not provide hard numbers….

    But the [Giraldi tribe] have to stop “playing fast and loose” with facts, and stick to verifiable info.

    What about Mearsheimer and Walt? Why don’t you tell us how their thesis (that pro Israel policies are damaging to the US national interest) falls short?

    Oh yeah, and be sure to not play “fast and loose with facts, and stick to verifiable info.”

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    I put @ geokat62 in my above post before the "What a day when the tables have turned" line but it looks like it didn't show up. Just wanted to clarify that because I hoped you'd get a kick out of it, geo. And so... Brevity, Shmevity. Redundancy is the soul of wit :)

    What a day when the tables have turned :)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCznHilLo3M
    , @Old Jew
    geokat62,

    I apologize.

    I have not read their book.

    You are a serious poster.

    It would be a sign of disrespect, to answer you, before I do my homework.

    sf
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  195. @alexander
    It seems a supreme irony of history, that Israel granted a state of its own, and so thorough in its condemnation of the odious practices of Nazi Germany...would adopt the same practices of "lebensraum" in the West Bank and the Golan Heights..

    I find it fascinating that the New York Times, well aware of Hitlers policies, as most Jews and most Israeli's are, has been so grotesquely silent when Israel commits the self same "lebenraum-ing" in the Palestinian territories..

    I find it equally fascinating , that not one leader in Israel,not one member of the Knesset nor one writer in Israel has ever chosen to describe the behavior for what it is.. "lebensraum"

    It is fascinating too... that in the United States,not one journalist,not one single member of any major news organization, not one pundit , not one congressman, senator, governor or mayor, not one military general, not one member of the state department, not one secretary of state has ever qualified Israeli land grabbing in the Palestinian territories...for what it is..... Lebensraum.

    Even progressive liberal websites refuse to use the terminology.

    A writer for Haaretz, "almost" mentioned it five years ago....and Dan Sanchez was the first to ascribe the term Lebensraum to Israeli land grabbing behavior...in a published article he wrote six months( or so) ago and then once more in his most recent one.

    Does anyone have a rational explanation for this ?

    Does anyone have a rational explanation for this ?

    yea

    perfectly rational:

    The lebensraum meme as applied to Germany is hyped, overdone, exaggerated, propagandized for the purpose of demonizing Germany. Generalplan Ost was the product of academics — think-tankers. Hitler seized on it, mentioning it in Mein Kampf, so the story goes. But neither he nor the NSDAP leadership/military made definite plans to implement it. And Germany never did implement Generalplan Ost.

    Israel, on the other hand, has been operating on an inexact derivative of Generalplan Ost since about 1907, and it is not only still stealing Palestinian land and removing the indigenous people, it’s ratcheting up the brutality of the scheme.

    So it’s reasonable to guess that papers like Haaretz do not call Israeli zionist land-theft, culture-cide, expansionism and ethnic cleansing lebensraum is because it is not an intelligent comparison. In fact, it is a stupid comparison, calculated only to enflame and stimulate all the negative emotions that the world has been conditioned to associate with Nazi and Hitler and swastika.

    It’s a lowest common denominator-kind of argument; it’s dumb and it’s counterproductive.

    Proffering such arguments in an attempt to call Israel to account makes it far less likely that the truth of who did what to whom, when, why and how in the WWI, Weimar, and WWII era can be told. The lebensraum concept applied to Israel delights people like Netanyahu — it rolls off the backs of die-hard zionists even as it reinforces the Nazi = evil narrative that makes zionists orgasmic.

    Other than that —-

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    Hitler seized on it, mentioning it in Mein Kampf, so the story goes. But neither he nor the NSDAP leadership/military made definite plans to implement it. And Germany never did implement Generalplan Ost.
     
    The above assertions may not be entirely accurate.

    Lebensraum appears 43 times in Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof's 1939: The War That Had Many Fathers. (I've read only half of them at this point.)

    Hitler did mention the concept to leaders of the Reichwehr in a meeting in February 1933, but it did not sound alarms in the hearers, and subsequent decisions taken over the next several years indicated that there were "no definite plans to implement it." For example, as the Germans set about rearming, they planned for only two-engine bombers, not the four-engine bombers that would be required if either England or the Soviet Union were strategic targets.
    On the other hand, in a December 1937 talk with military planners, Hitler "orders for the first time that plans be worked out for a future conquest of Czechoslovakia and 'thereby the solution for the German space problem.' " [p. 181]

    Schultze-Rhonhof observes that all of the powers in play in the early 20th century experienced population increases together with stresses on the availability of food and other resources; lebensraum was a primary concern for Japan, Italy, the colonizing states, and the United States and Russia. USA resolved the need for lebensraum by conquering on its land mass on a vast scale peoples inferior to their own civilization, and yet the USA maintained dominion over numerous other lands and peoples such as Phillipines, Puerto Rico, etc. The author further points out that USA exacerbated the stresses experienced by, i.e. Japan, Italy and Germany by constricting their trade, financial and other vital systems for providing for their populations.

    Franklin D Roosevelt was particularly vengeful and disruptive in this regard. As alluded to earlier, FDR led the USA down a path that deviated radically from the path that George Washington counseled in his Farewell Address. USA foreign policy has not yet recovered from that serious deviation from Founding principles.

    As mentioned, I've not read all of the references Schultze-Rhonhof makes to lebensraum as implemented -- or not -- by NSDAP, but so far the overall point remains: Israel's conquest and dispossession of Palestinians is in a different category, qualitatively and temporally, than the German ideation of lebensraum, and comparing Germany's lebensraum concept to Israeli actions against Palestinians is, to my way of thinking, inapt and counterproductive. Zionism is its own unique brand of evil.
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  196. Rdm says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    Reading these comments, I wonder: why are you guys so obsessed with Jews ? True, they are over-represented in many areas of US socio-economic & cultural life, but they don't "own" the US. Nobody does that.

    1. the text about Adelson and Saban has just been copy-pasted in a new article. Why ?

    2. why do you think that Trump would be a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far. Trump is an American nationalist & Netanyahu is on the same wave-length (himself being, like Trump is, a race realist & a nationalist)- and that's all. Trump was booed by American Jews when he told them explicitly that he wouldn't recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

    3. whatever I- and you- may think of Obama, it is evident he is not an Israeli puppet. Iran deal was a clear defeat not only for Netanyahu, but also for hawkish Jews anywhere on the globe.

    The real problem with most writers & commentators here is that you conflate two groups, leftist liberals & Jews, and on top of that, you equate the decadent phase of Western civilization with imagined malign influence of "Jews".

    Jews are not that important nor influential nor malign..... This obsession is unhealthy.

    2. why do you think that Trump would be a puppet to Israel ? No US president has been so far.

    Whoever would be, the POTUS would be a puppet to Israel. Denying the fact is like denying that the world is round.

    1. Have you ever seen a movie made in Hollywood on Jews conspiring to become a Zionist? Anything anything at all? Anything you can imagine even hypothetically, you can have a taste of those in Hollywood. KKK movies? you bet. Nazi movies? You bet. Killing jews and soliciting your sympathy? Tons of those. Villain Russian and Chinese? No worry. Villain Whites to become POTUS? Look at House of Cards.

    Jews trying to make a world Zionist? Where can you find that? Jews conspiring to rule the world? Nada.

    2. “Divide and Conquer” is a motto Elitists have in mind. Media pitching Whites against Blacks, Blacks against Whites, where can you find Jews being racists against Blacks then? Whites are pawns in the game of “D and C” when it comes to controlling their power. No Jews have been called out as racists. They live in a safe and sound place called “Camouflage” as Whites but at the same time, avoid as being “Racists” dealing with Blacks.

    Even if Woodrow Wilson statue was demolished at Princeton, even if every White POTUS has been denounced as “racists”, Jews have no worry to fight against it. You know why? it’s because

    “Every race has their identity.”

    Do you think Blacks would be happy if Michael Jackson statue was taken down because he was a child molester? although he’s a King of pop music?

    Do you think White American would be delighted if Lyndon Johnson was posthumously put into life sentence because he steered the N-bomb on Japanese soil? It does not matter who’s right or wrong. Or
    Remove Columbus from school book because he’s not the discoverer of the New World, he’s a slave trader and killed native Americans in the first place?

    Think about it. Jews are as happy as they are because nothing concerned with their historical past and history in this new world. They have no statues to be taken down, they have no qualms about being called “Slave trader”. They have absolute victimhood shields in this country while camouflaging as “Whites”.

    3. Pro-Israel Jews in the US are like virus living a body of humongous giant. Their host of replication is Israel. They protect, nurture, feed their host, while trying to infect other parts of the body they live in.

    Do you honestly believe that Jews care if Syrian fled to Europe?
    Do you honestly hope that Jews care if Muslim bomb Paris?
    Do you think Jews care if Woodrow Wilson was removed from Princeton?
    Do you think …Jews give a f….k if Europeans go extinct?

    All the worlds event you’re reading these days, Jews don’t care. They have no vested interest unless it concerns with their very existence, which all leads to their host of replication, Israel.

    If you don’t like Russians, they can all go back to their motherland, Russia.
    If you don’t like British, they can all go back to their motherland, England.

    All damn races, they all have their homelands.

    What have to do with Jews then? 100% Pure Jewish People? Where the f they go?

    And you wonder why they’re fighting for their very existence, a Rogue State, Israel. Over time, they believe it will mean something, a holy ground.

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