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Here’s a dictum I have read now and again on the internet: “an organization that isn’t explicitly anti-Left will eventually be swallowed up by the Left.” Here’s another I am making up on the fly (although I am sure others have said it many times before): “an organization that isn’t explicitly anti-nonwhite will eventually be swallowed up by nonwhites.”

Nowhere does this seem more pertinent than in John McWhorter’s recent piece at National Review entitled “Stop Obsessing Over Race and IQ.”

In it, he posits that the racial IQ gap might exist but recommends not talking about it anyway. Of course, this makes perfect sense, given that McWhorter is black and stands to gain by suppressing truths that make people like him look bad. In his article, he gives objective argumentation the old affirmative-action college try, but never addresses his obvious conflict of interest as a black person who is downplaying the deleterious shortcomings of his race. He even admits his rather unscientific partiality when he writes, “I have always hoped the black–white IQ gap was due to environmental causes.” That blacks in general are not terribly capable of objective scientific reasoning is also not surprising (given the historical record), but the fact that National Review, even in its current state of decrepitude, is actually lending its imprimatur to such a person, contrarily is.

How much longer before NR just cuts out the rigmarole and starts recruiting writers from Black Lives Matter or the NAACP?

Of course, I understand that the Alt Right bashing National Review these days is a little like exhuming a dead horse and beating it until it doesn’t look like a horse anymore. We all know how far Bill Buckley’s flagship publication has fallen into irrelevant cuckery these past, what? Thirty years? (It would be sixty if you count all the relevant cuckery, but that’s another story). There’s nothing new here. But McWhorter’s piece is so dishonest and so insidious I’d be missing a golden red-pill opportunity if I didn’t respond to it.

Also, perhaps I could shame the NR editors into showing at least a little self-respect during their long, sad goodbye. Guys, even for cucks, this is cucking.

McWhorter begins his article by asking what we have to gain by discussing the intellectual inferiority of blacks. Could you imagine anyone asking that question about any other topic? Since when is a matter of science (in this case, evolution and genetics, among others) fit not to be discussed? For a certain time in the Soviet Union they carted people off to the Arctic Circle to cut timber for twenty-five years if they dared challenge the bogus science of Trofim Lysenko. The Muslim world is also full of taboo topics which could get one killed if broached in public (I’m reminded specifically of the Muslim college professor in Nablus who dared suggest that, according to Infogalactic, “Islam developed as a religion gradually within the historical context of Judaism and Christianity rather than being the revelation of a prophet.” He was thrown out of a window by his students for his efforts).

So, yes, putting a lid on the free discussion of scientific ideas has quite a few precedents. But are these precedents any civilized society should emulate? McWhorter seems to think so.

McWhorter fails to mention the huge sums of money and incalculable amounts of effort on the part of well-meaning whites being expended every year in order to reduce black-white performance gaps in all fields, not just in IQ testing. The premise here is that blacks and whites have equal ability and therefore should enjoy equal outcomes in life. So this is one reason why we should discuss the genetic component of IQ and human temperament as much as possible: it will reveal what an utter waste of time and resources it is to uplift black people.

A second reason is that it will let whitey off the hook. If human intelligence, represented in psychometrics as g, is mostly genetic, then you cannot blame innocent white people for a problem they did not create. This will either reduce the amount of anti-white racism on the part of the Left, or embolden whites to resist such racism. Both outcomes are inherently good and would stem from open discussions of the genetic basis of IQ and human temperament.

In order to defend his intuition that Nurture always trumps Nature—at least when it comes to black shortcomings—McWhorter attempts to legitimize “Black American culture,” which, he writes:

grew from implacably oppressive slavery followed by a Jim Crow hegemony that recapitulated slavery in essence. These were people living in what my linguist’s training reveals as a life bound in orality rather than literacy. To live restricted to casual speech rather than the artifice of writing creates a psychology ill equipped to score highly on the distinctly modern stunt known as the IQ test.

There are so many things wrong with this it causes me to wonder whether the National Review editors dumb down their editorial standards for black writers. Universities dumb down academic standards for black applicants in much the same way.

First of all, black slavery in America was never “implacably oppressive.” By the standards of the day, white Americans treated their black slaves quite benignly. Slaves were allowed to marry, and efforts were made to keep families together. They typically had Sundays off and were allowed to practice the religion of their choice. Further, a select few were even allowed to buy their own freedom. Thomas Nelson Page relates all this in The Negro: The Southerner’s Problem and also points out how during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, black slaves were offered their freedom if they would only rise up against their masters. They in large part refused. In many parts of the American South there were at least cordial if not affectionate relations between whites and blacks.

If it’s “implacably oppressive” slavery you want, then look no further than black-on-black slavery in Africa or, better yet, Muslim-on-black slavery. According to M. A. Khan in Islamic Jihad, Muslims herded over 2 million black slaves out of Africa in the 19th century alone – a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years. Ronald Segal, in Islam’s Black Slaves, states that Islamic slave traders possibly enslaved around eleven million blacks in total, with estimates going as high as thirty million. And in many cases theirs was a truly wretched existence, with the women toiling as sex slaves and with the men being worked to death as conscript soldiers or galley slaves. In just about all cases, male black slaves captured by Islamic slave traders endured castration, a practice almost unheard of in the white, Christian outpost of the United States. Remember, eighty-to-ninety percent of black slaves perished before even making it to the Muslim world, again a far a cry from the sixteen percent of black slaves who died en route across the Atlantic (1.9 million out of 11.7 million according to my Mainstream of Civilization history textbook from 1989).

Then McWhorter tries to sell us on the idea that Jim Crow laws “recapitulated slavery in essence” but doesn’t tell us how. Yes, Jim Crow laws enforced white hegemony over black, but it also kept the black crime rate down and did more than anything other than slavery to protect blacks from themselves. Thomas Nelson Page again reports how, during the Reconstruction Period between slavery and Jim Crow, the black crime rate (including sexual crime) exploded. Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom, in their study America in Black and White, show how black crime again exploded, this time after the demise of Jim Crow in the mid-1960s. In addition, without Jim Crow to keep them in line, black illegitimacy and drug dependency has gotten out of control. So exactly how does Jim Crow recapitulate slavery? During slavery, slaves had to stay put or become outlaws. During Jim Crow, blacks had freedom of movement, the ability to attend schools and universities. They could quit their jobs and go into business for themselves. They also enjoyed free public education and government services paid in large part by the white taxpayers. (This kind of largesse is still going on, by the way, with the average white as of 2014 putting in over $220,000 into the system over a 79-year lifespan, and the average black taking out over $750,000 over roughly the same period.)

I understand that blacks still did not have the same freedom and standard of living that whites had under the seventy-five-odd years of Jim Crow. But they were certainly safer. They also had it better than the vast majority of the rest of the world during that time. For example, from 1890 to 1965 (roughly the lifespan of Jim Crow laws), there were numerous catastrophes far worse than Jim Crow which devastated people around the globe who have since never used these catastrophes to explain why they shy away from literacy. Leaving out obvious events like the two world wars, these include the Armenian Genocide (1915), the Russian Civil War (early 1920s) followed by the Holodomor (late 1920s to early 1930s) and some sixty years of the gulag, the Jewish Holocaust, the Bengal Famine in India (1943), and Mao’s great famine in China (1959-1962). All of these events claimed the lives of millions and for decades disrupted the lives of many millions more. Yet, none of these people use these historical events as excuses for failure in the way John McWhorter uses slavery and Jim Crow.

Indeed, McWhorter’s illiteracy-by-oppression argument really only works with black people. It fails on an additional level since, in their long history in Africa, very few blacks were ever literate to begin with. His argument assumes that slavery and Jim Crow bound black people “orality” rather than “literacy.” But no. Blacks, especially the sub-Saharan kinds—had been illiterate since the beginning. There are few written historical records of sub-Saharan Africans prior to their contact with whites or Arabs. There are few records of math, astronomy, or other kinds of higher learning. Few maps. Few written examples of bookkeeping, recipes, poems, prayers, plays. If we want to study Africa’s past beyond, say, 500 years ago, we would have to employ teams of archaeologists, or consult whatever records we can find written by whites or Arabs.

In fact, exposure to white civilization, even as slaves, did more to make blacks literate than anything else up to that point in history. After all, whites introduced them to Christianity and taught them to read the bible. What were sub-Sarahan blacks reading before that? National Review should be embarrassed by this: publishing something that gets history completely bass-ackwards. Slavery in America did not instill “orality” in black culture since black culture, such as it was, was already rife with it. If anything, slavery in America removed some of that “orality” and took the first steps in replacing it with actual literacy.

Then there is McWhorter’s cheap shot at psychometrics. The IQ test is nothing more than a “stunt,” huh? That is, according to McWhorter, it’s all publicity and PR rather than actual educational measurement. Can McWhorter point to actual questions on the exam and explain how they are insufficient to measure intelligence? Can he show us where not only the IQ tests get it wrong but also the SAT, LSAT, GRE, MCAT, and every standardized measure out there, which also report blacks as having the least intellectual aptitude? Of course, he can’t, and he doesn’t. This reminds me of how psychometricians reacted to Steven Jay Gould’s strident anti-testing polemic, The Mismeasure of Man, which was essentially to ignore it.

Then comes the crux of McWhorter’s piece: why we should avoid talking about the black-white IQ gap in anything other than dense scholarly tomes. He gives three reasons why anyone would want to be “honest” about this topic (his scare quotes, not mine). The second and third are barely worth discussing since they are pure fantasy. McWhorter himself admits as much about the second reason, which is that honesty about IQ will inspire white people to heap even more charity upon blacks, now designated a “special needs” race. His third reason is that some believe that honesty about IQ will help us celebrate racial differences. That is, presumably, some races are really smart, and others are good at other things, like digging ditches or dribbling basketballs or what have you. Like that would go over well.

Neither of these reasons are real reasons. But McWhorter’s first reason is. Here it is in its entirety:

The first is that the IQ gap delegitimizes policy devoted to redressing the injustices that black people have suffered. That is, one might argue that because black people are on the average less intelligent than other people, our efforts to give a hand to black children in education and point poor black people to employment opportunities are misguided. Rather, society should accept that a disproportionate number of black people will labor at the bottom of the occupational scale and that in general black people will be underrepresented in the higher echelons of society.

And the correct response to this would be “And…? Your point, sir?” For once, McWhorter is absolutely correct. But the problem here is that such argumentation leads to a conclusion that he (and presumably the NR editors) simply don’t like. Therefore, it won’t do…truth be damned.

McWhorter tries to couch his disgust at this perspective in fatalism. Basically, he believes that white people are just too darn nice to accept such a “brutally open, race-based meritocratic consensus.” So since it is impossible to achieve, why talk about it?

Those who are revolted by the very idea of such a conclusion — including me — can rest assured that the moral development of the West, halting and imperfect though it has been, has produced a bulwark against complacently accepting racial stratification. As I have written often, educated Americans in particular now harbor nothing less than an anti-racist religion that will never accept such a mode of thinking as anything but antiquated and morally repulsive.

Well, this may be true about the college kids and graduate students McWhorter surrounds himself with as a linguistics professor at Columbia University, but it isn’t about whites at large who are beginning to realize the price tag attached to ignoring the truth about race. This was one powerful reason why Donald Trump won last November. Whites are beginning to wake up and realize that racial differences need to be discussed openly and then acted upon as part of official policy. This is the only way we can avoid being exploited and ultimately swallowed up by non-whites (including the blacks for whom John McWhorter speaks). He may paint them as underdogs and victims who need protection from the truth, but racial differences go far beyond mere IQ. Blacks also have absurd levels of crime, violence, drug abuse, and corruption in their communities – just like they do in their home continent of Africa. When the truth comes out, they don’t seem much like victims anymore. Quite the opposite, actually.

McWhorter also gives off a whiff of menace towards the end of his article. Another reason to avoid discussing race? Why, threat of violence, of course! Observe:

As a topic whose discussion will yield injury, fury, and doubletalk with no countervailing benefits in terms of prescriptions for how society ought to operate, it ought be exempted from open discussion.

So is National Review allowing one of its writers to actually threaten people into groupthink? Is McWhorter saying he would personally injure a person if they discuss race openly in one of his classrooms? Or would he just sit back and watch as his students do it since the instigator probably had it coming anyway? This would be like Bull Connor warning blacks not to complain about being stuck at the back of the bus since such talk could also lead to “injury, fury, and doubletalk.” Does this mean that McWhorter supports suppressing that kind of speech too?

Did National Review editors even read this article before it was published? Did they not see the insidious threat behind it? Shut up about race, McWhorter tells us, or you will be injured. Is this really the message National Review wishes to give its readers? Or maybe it’s a passive-aggressive attempt to intimidate people like me who like to talk frankly about race and don’t usually read National Review?

When McWhorter listed his three reasons for “honesty” about race, he forgot a fourth: white nationalism. Racial differences point to the general incompatibility of different races which occupy the same space and compete for the same resources. Since these differences are based in genetics, there is little anyone can do about them. As the numbers of non-whites continue to swell, whites are going to recognize less and less about the America they’ve known and loved. Soon, it won’t even be America anymore, and whites will be forced to fight for what they never should have given away in the first place. This is the ultimate price of keeping frank racial discussions in the closet, and one, I am sure, no one wants to pay. Thus, it would be best for all if the races admitted our differences and separated as soon as possible.

But to effect this, whites will need to start with a no-blacks policy, something National Review should have adopted before publishing obscurantist pablum from John McWhorter.

(Republished from Counter-Currents by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Svigor says:

    McWhorter begins his article by asking what we have to gain by discussing the intellectual inferiority of blacks.

    There’s a very simple answer to this: we can get the false charges against whites thrown out of court. The current argument is that whites must pay (in perpetuity) for “breaking” blacks. But blacks were already broken when whites found them. So whites are not responsible for black failure, Mother Nature is. (I note that the author makes this point, though I don’t prefer the “off the hook” language)

    grew from implacably oppressive slavery followed by a Jim Crow hegemony that recapitulated slavery in essence. These were people living in what my linguist’s training reveals as a life bound in orality rather than literacy. To live restricted to casual speech rather than the artifice of writing creates a psychology ill equipped to score highly on the distinctly modern stunt known as the IQ test.

    50 years after Segregation’s end, blacks still live in “orality.” 99% still believe the false Roots narrative, wherein whites captured blacks in Africa and enslaved them. No, blacks captured blacks, enslaved them, and sold them to whites.

    If it’s “implacably oppressive” slavery you want, then look no further than black-on-black slavery in Africa or, better yet, Muslim-on-black slavery. According to M. A. Khan in Islamic Jihad, Muslims herded over 2 million black slaves out of Africa in the 19th century alone – a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years. Ronald Segal, in Islam’s Black Slaves, states that Islamic slave traders possibly enslaved around eleven million blacks in total, with estimates going as high as thirty million. And in many cases theirs was a truly wretched existence, with the women toiling as sex slaves and with the men being worked to death as conscript soldiers or galley slaves. In just about all cases, male black slaves captured by Islamic slave traders endured castration, a practice almost unheard of in the white, Christian outpost of the United States. Remember, eighty-to-ninety percent of black slaves perished before even making it to the Muslim world, again a far a cry from the sixteen percent of black slaves who died en route across the Atlantic (1.9 million out of 11.7 million according to my Mainstream of Civilization history textbook from 1989).

    A couple other relevant points:

    1 black slaves were captured and enslaved by other blacks via warfare; conquered blacks who wound up enslaved were the lucky ones; the rest were put to death.

    2 Roughly 11 million slaves are estimated to have come to the New World via the transatlantic trade; the 400,000 who didn’t go to North America went to other parts of the Western Hemisphere, which were much more deadly to slaves than North America was. Millions of them were simply worked to death in the jungles of the Caribbean, Central America, and South America. Brazil was particularly nasty, and the trade there was almost entirely in the hands of the Jews (and crypto-Jews).

    I understand that blacks still did not have the same freedom and standard of living that whites had under the seventy-five-odd years of Jim Crow.

    They certainly lived beyond their means, though, thanks to whites – as they have since their arrival in this hemisphere.

    McWhorter tries to couch his disgust at this perspective in fatalism. Basically, he believes that white people are just too darn nice to accept such a “brutally open, race-based meritocratic consensus.” So since it is impossible to achieve, why talk about it?

    Whites will never reach such a conclusion, so we should ban whites from trying to persuade each other to reach such a conclusion. This is black literacy, I suppose.

    P.S., I would like to suggest that we encourage Jews to breed with blacks. Jews intermarriage rate with blacks is near zero and a dirty little Jewish secret. But I have hope that Jewish IQ can be used to raise black IQ to right around the white mean.

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    • Replies: @Kyle a
    I have hope that the Jews and the blacks and the Asians and the mestizo can find an island
    , @dearieme
    "P.S., I would like to suggest that we encourage Jews to breed with blacks. ... I have hope that Jewish IQ can be used to raise black IQ to right around the white mean."

    At last, an actionable suggestion.
    , @MarkinLA
    Roughly 11 million slaves are estimated to have come to the New World via the transatlantic trade;

    Not buying this given the types of ships that existed during the slave trade days. No more than a couple of hundred on a trip. Most would have had to be born here from slave parents. Where di this number come from?
    , @FX Enderby
    Svig, you wrote "the 400,000 who didn’t go to North America". Maybe it was a typo, but out of the 11 million, 400,000 went to North America. The other 10 million or so went to the Caribbean and Central and South America.
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  2. Another point that Steve Sailer has made is that if we start acknowledging the average black-white IQ difference, it might lead to a exposition of the consequences of the average white-Jewish IQ difference, which is approximately the same.

    National Review is long gone in the Cult of Negro Veneration. This article is just another example.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    The average so-called "Jew" in the West is substantially Germanic and/or Slavic genetically. If you encounter someone Jewish who denies that or takes umbrage, ask to see their test results from ancestry.com or 23andme or the like.

    So there is no such thing as a "white-Jewish" gap unless people are saying that Sephardic genetically Semitic Jews with no substantial white genes tend to be more measurably intelligent than whites. I don't think that's the argument, and I haven't seen evidence for that.

    "Jews" taking credit for "Jewish" intelligence in the modern USA and Europe are effectively taking credit for their own substantial white European genes (which also tends to mitigate their physical ugliness). (We should say, "you're welcome.")
    , @Anonymous
    Average IQ in Israel, according to my quick research, is 95. When we take into account that 20% of the population are 83-84 IQ Arabs, the Jewish IQ (75% of the population) seems to be only 98 (roughly speaking - I've ignored the 5% who are neither).
  3. “McWhorter’s illiteracy-by-oppression argument … fails on an additional level since, in their long history in Africa, very few blacks were literate to begin with”. Many Christians congratulate their missionaries for bringing literacy to Africa. Think about that. Why was it necessary? Where else did Christian missionaries need to bring literacy to?
    As Muhammad Ali said in 1974, when returning from the “Rumble in the Jungle”, “I’m glad my grandpappy got on that boat”. Ali had been to Africa and wanted no part of it.
    In 1994 or 1995, shortly after the Bell Curve was published, National Review devoted an issue to discussing the Bell Curve. I doubt National Review would publish anything like that today.
    I’ll see if I can find the issue.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    He did not know Africa before Europeans ruined all advanced kingdoms.
    Jan Vansina, ‘Kingdoms of the savanna, A history of Central African states until the European occupation’, London 1966
  4. Svigor says:

    Another point that Steve Sailer has made is that if we start acknowledging the average black-white IQ difference, it might lead to a exposition of the consequences of the average white-Jewish IQ difference, which is approximately the same.

    More like half. Israeli Jewish IQ drags the Jewish mean way down (to about 108), and there’s no principled reason to exclude it.

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    • Replies: @Logan
    Svigor is approximately correct if we limit the discussion to USA, as we are in the discussion of black/white IQ differences. We don't normally pitch into the discussion the average IQs of blacks in Africa.

    Your point also makes no sense. There is no logical way whereby one average or below average IQ group breeding with another average IQ group results in descendants with an IQ a standard deviation above either group of ancestors.
  5. A major problem for people like McWhorter is that once you open up the topic of race-based differences, it may move beyond simple IQ differences, into genetically-based comportement differences, which may be much more important. Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation, a propensity for violence and much more promiscuous sexual behavior–all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment. If blacks were simply less intelligent versions of whites, the problems woud be much more manageable, but their dysfunctional communities are also a product of dysfunctional behavior. This would justify two sets of laws and standards: one for whites and another for blacks. For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms. Their lack of impulse control and disregard of consequences exacerbate their genetic propensity to violence. Black disputes settled with fists or even knives would lead to much lower death and injury rates than what we have now. The notions that blacks can govern themselves in a democratic system devised by whites is also be open to challenge. Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren’t so sad.

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    "Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation"...

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand

    "a propensity for violence..."

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.

    "and much more promiscuous sexual behavior..."

    No, not quite.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/19/young-white-men-uk-most-hated-social-group-public-attitudes

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    "all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment."

    Sources or retract.

    "For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms."

    How would you rectify your proposal to the Second Amendment?

    "Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren’t so sad."

    A number of white people elected Donald Trump, whose stupidity is legendary.
    , @K
    >>''The notions that blacks can govern themselves in a democratic system devised by whites is also be open to challenge. ''<<

    I spent three years in a completely black caribbean island country of st.kitts in the early 2000's. The island was impressively governed without the help of a single white. I never saw a single white in any administrative position. Maybe they were present i dont know, but certainly none among the top administration. Law and order was also perfect. Me and my friends (we are not black) could even walk through the down-tr0dden parts of the island without getting mugged or attacked.....even at late in the night. The economy was very good too......everybody had a car and a house and a decent education, with very few on welfare. And it was not one of those islands that depended completely on tourist income. Tourist income was only a small part of that country.
    , @hoops
    Inasmuch as these largely fictive, more accurately ephemeral designations of the behaviors that inequality creates, actually happen (as opposed to exist), they are creditable to poverty and segregation and terrible peer support where the peers are unavailable or living under the fug of cognitive burden long-term poverty, exposure to violence and lead pipes - and their effects at and above the genetic level - inevitably cause. The behavior is not 'always there'. It was not 'always there.'

    and I'd be more circumspect about mocking black Congressmen when you vote for the party of Ben Sasse, Steve King, the Inhofe's, Gohmert, Ron Paul, Ron Johnson, Papa Trump, Rick Perry, Sarah Palin on and on.

    Your biotruth hee-haw science is probably the result of white's increasingly unable to cope in detail demanding environments. Everything you do has to be checked by a loud demagogue and verified by dead ancestors beneath a wall decorated with an unending array of bellicose, gaudy symbols.
    Violence would expose you to selection pressure in a disease-laden tropical environment, you fruit-cup perplexed racist innocent.

  6. George says:

    The article needs to get with the times and address East and South Asians not to mention South Ameticans. Who cares about blacks and whites? Based on your iq theories Asians need low IQ individuals to work food service, what do they need white people for?

    “huge sums of money and incalculable amounts of effort on the part of well-meaning whites being expended every year in order to reduce black-white performance gaps”

    You mean the largely white/Jewish inceasingly Asian educratocracy? The money goes into salaries and benefits, and increasingly retirees. The various crusades and fads like the race gap are not where the money goes.

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  7. In 1785 Thomas Jefferson wrote, “Notes on the State of Virginia”. From page 266 in my copy, “Comparing [Negroes] by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous”.
    Here, here.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "In 1785 Thomas Jefferson wrote..."

    Yet in 1791 Jefferson got schooled...

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part2/2h71.html
    , @iffen
    they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous

    Apparently he found Sally Hemings quite tasty.
  8. Here’s a dictum I have read now and again on the internet: “an organization that isn’t explicitly anti-Left will eventually be swallowed up by the Left.”

    But the ‘left’ changed so much.

    Looks like the classic left is gone for good, and the new left got swallowed by capitalist consumer decadence.

    And look at China. Maoism lost out to capitalism and nationalism.

    And Soviet Union gave way to what became eventually conservative Russia.

    We keep hearing that the ‘left’ won the culture war, but no classic leftist would consider ‘gay marriage’ and ’50 gender’ degeneracy as anything leftist.

    No, Jewish Supremacists won, and they use homomania as proxy of bogus ‘progressivism’.

    In the 90s, Democrats went ‘new democrat’ and adopted much of Reagan-Thatcherism.
    And Hillary turned into jingo-globo-imperialist, far worse than Johnson-Nixon put together.
    ‘Leftists’ made peace with ultra-militarists.

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    • Replies: @RobRich
    "We keep hearing that the ‘left’ won the culture war, but no classic leftist would consider ‘gay marriage’ and ’50 gender’ degeneracy as anything leftist...In the 90s, Democrats went ‘new democrat’ and adopted much of Reagan-Thatcherism."

    Great point.


    The Libertarians always win the culture war since the Renaissance because they're the referees and want a clean fight between conservatives and progressives and access to all cultures. No below-the-belt: Rights and voluntary options, boys.

    The far-Left is trying to take credit for Libertarian clean-up wins: spread of democracy, civil rights, LGBT, anti--fracking, the web, Greening, etc.

    The far-Left always tries to make a new libertarian freedom mandatory. Voluntary socialism works in small communities? Call that unscientific and government-imposed socialism on everyone! Corporations can do a great job? Make them mandatory monopolies! LGBT folks should be left alone? Make non-LGBT outlawed! Women and minorities should have rights too? Down with Euro men!
    , @Dissident

    We keep hearing that the ‘left’ won the culture war, but no classic leftist would consider ‘gay marriage’ and ’50 gender’ degeneracy as anything leftist.
     
    Quite true, I believe and a point that seems mostly forgotten (by those old enough to have ever known it)/ little-known today.

    It is Cultural Marxists who are behind such lunacy as "Transgenderism"[1] and what you aptly call "homomania"[2]. In the piece I linked, Paul Gottfried, in explaining the origin and history of the term Cultural Marxism, acknowledges that it is problematic but presents an argument in favor of its use nonetheless.

    At any rate, cultural termite, a term I picked-up several years back from a Taki Mag commentor, would certainly fit those who promote the kind of insidious, pernicious, utterly corrosive filth that we are talking about here.

    No, Jewish Supremacists won, and they use homomania as proxy of bogus ‘progressivism’.
     
    Cultural Marxists and "Progressives" may be disproportionately of Jewish heritage (and even Jewish /identity/) but such individuals (and organizations) are very far from practicing or representing Judaism. (So-called "Reform Judaism" or "Liberal Judaism" are not to be confused with Judaism.)

    Zionism should also not be confused with Judaism.

    ‘Leftists’ made peace with ultra-militarists.
     
    Many did but not all.

    NOTES:
    [1] "Transgenderism"= Denial of the immutability of sex*, an objective reality. (*"Gender" is a linguistic construct.) This insanity has reached the point of the sanctioning -- and even mandating-- of irreversible damage being done to confused, innocent, young children.

    [2] "Homomania" = Promotion of all of the following:

    - The manifest falsehoods that homosexuality is (a) equivalent to heterosexuality, and, (b) without exception, both innate as well as immutable. Both are doctrinal assertions that defy much objective, often overwhelming evidence.

    - Extensive, nearly total /conflation/ of /feelings/ with /behavior/.

    - Extensive, nearly total conflation of the specific act of anal penetration with male homosexual behavior, /per se/. (Graphic content)

    - Extensive whitewashing and downplaying-- at the direct expense of public health-- of the overwhelmingly negative anatomical, physiological, psychological, aesthetic and social realities of anal penetration, an act that spreads deadly disease at a rate far higher than any other sex act.
  9. McWhorter is a smart guy, but he has lotsa white genes.

    Maybe he fears that his intelligence will be seen as ‘white’, and then blacks will reject mulattoes as rightful leaders and spokesmen of the black community.

    Often, black leaders are mulattoes, and their advantages are ‘white’. They got white intelligence and saner white temperament.

    Likewise, if we were to count mulattoes as ‘white’, their advantage in sports would owe to their black genes.

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    Haiti is a prime example of black revolution in which the mulattoes are slaughtered just like the whites. White Liberals celebrate that as a great thing.
  10. Also, perhaps I could shame the NR editors into showing at least a little self-respect during their long, sad goodbye. Guys, even for cucks, this is cucking.

    Good article, but it too cucks by pretending that the main problem is about IQ.

    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?

    No, the real threat to whites is muscular, vocal, and genital.

    Blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt.
    Blacks got bigger voices and this makes whites respect blacks as ‘masterful’.
    Blacks got bigger dongs, and jungle fever further humiliates white men cuz of ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of white wombs.

    Those are the real reasons why whites need safe spaces from blacks.

    Men need pride of manhood for mental health, and white male pride is impossible around blacks due to BAMMAMA factor: blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

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    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?
     
    Do you have any idea how many times you've used this line? I would say, honestly, about 14; and that's just on the threads I have read.
    , @ANON
    So White men are intimidated by black men? Speak for yourself.

    You really need to get out more and get to know actual people instead of the porn in your computer. Is there a senior center in your neighborhood?
    , @Anonymous White Male
    You really have a fixation on black penises. Have you experienced them personally or just on porn sites?
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    But here's a serious question: While they may be bigger outwardly, the fact remains that in the realm of IQ, providing for families, etc. blacks greatly lag behind whites in these areas. So then, after being jungle fevered, and realizing that the guy can't man up and provide for her in a responsible way, what then? Because according to stats, blacks don't stick around to take care of their offspring in significant numbers, and hooking up with white women doesn't cure them from that social problem. That's probably one reason you see so many white women with mulatto kids in tow, but oftentimes alone without a father figure. Where's the guy? So they figure out after the fact that while "Sex in the City" glamorized Jungle Fever, in reality it doesn't add up to a responsible provider for a family.

    What's the solution for the new generation who might be tempted to go Jungle without weighing the consequences?

    Easy to curse the darkness. Much harder to light the candle and find our way to the answer.
    , @SAM HOUSTON
    "No, the real threat to whites is muscular, vocal, and genital."

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love how left-wingers are o.k. with stereotypes if it (supposedly) compliments colored people. Of course if blacks are so superior why can't they throw off the so-called oppression? How did they get conquered, colonized and oppressed in the first place?


    "Blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt."

    So I guess that explains why progressives support gun control then, huh?

    , @oooff
    I think Priss Factor is correct. Black people have a very strong physical presence and many young black men have tremendous unwarranted confidence. In high school, my daughter was the recipient of many dick pics from black males accompanied by bold assertions of a brotha's superiority. Older white people do not realize how bad things are for the young. First whites are a minority and second everything white is seen as unearned. So if white achievement is simply on the backs of minorities, then anyone could have accomplished "white" achievement. If that is the case that white achievement is not the result of white intelligence, then blacks with their overt presence must be superior to whites because they have the same native intelligence, but an obvious superior physicality. Since black guys are bigger and stronger and since the mothers and fathers of white boys choose to neuter their own sons via advancing notions of "white privilege" and "diversity," white boys are cucked by societal structure. They must then watch as a high fraction of white girls get with black boys (it is not a lie). Since black boys are so often very different in personality and physicality, and since young nubile women are the prize of society, it must devastate the psyche to realize that people such as yourself are not the object of desire (see the happas at reddit). Of course, female desire is pushed in this direction by the parents of the white boys who advance "diversity" and lie about white achievement, so the situation is tragic. The situation is worse because you don't need young white men underperforming since there is zero chance that young black men are going to pick up the slack. While I am not against interracial relationship because there are wonderful people of all races, and terrible people of all races, the problem is that white parents are basically creating a structure that amplifies black qualities and lowers white qualities. This cannot be good for society. What white man is going to invest heavily in his family and push to his limits if he thinks his wife, at some level, prefers a man so different from himself. I would say black people have as much to lose as whites from this very reality.
  11. Kyle a says:
    @Svigor

    McWhorter begins his article by asking what we have to gain by discussing the intellectual inferiority of blacks.
     
    There's a very simple answer to this: we can get the false charges against whites thrown out of court. The current argument is that whites must pay (in perpetuity) for "breaking" blacks. But blacks were already broken when whites found them. So whites are not responsible for black failure, Mother Nature is. (I note that the author makes this point, though I don't prefer the "off the hook" language)

    grew from implacably oppressive slavery followed by a Jim Crow hegemony that recapitulated slavery in essence. These were people living in what my linguist’s training reveals as a life bound in orality rather than literacy. To live restricted to casual speech rather than the artifice of writing creates a psychology ill equipped to score highly on the distinctly modern stunt known as the IQ test.
     
    50 years after Segregation's end, blacks still live in "orality." 99% still believe the false Roots narrative, wherein whites captured blacks in Africa and enslaved them. No, blacks captured blacks, enslaved them, and sold them to whites.

    If it’s “implacably oppressive” slavery you want, then look no further than black-on-black slavery in Africa or, better yet, Muslim-on-black slavery. According to M. A. Khan in Islamic Jihad, Muslims herded over 2 million black slaves out of Africa in the 19th century alone – a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years. Ronald Segal, in Islam’s Black Slaves, states that Islamic slave traders possibly enslaved around eleven million blacks in total, with estimates going as high as thirty million. And in many cases theirs was a truly wretched existence, with the women toiling as sex slaves and with the men being worked to death as conscript soldiers or galley slaves. In just about all cases, male black slaves captured by Islamic slave traders endured castration, a practice almost unheard of in the white, Christian outpost of the United States. Remember, eighty-to-ninety percent of black slaves perished before even making it to the Muslim world, again a far a cry from the sixteen percent of black slaves who died en route across the Atlantic (1.9 million out of 11.7 million according to my Mainstream of Civilization history textbook from 1989).
     
    A couple other relevant points:

    1 black slaves were captured and enslaved by other blacks via warfare; conquered blacks who wound up enslaved were the lucky ones; the rest were put to death.

    2 Roughly 11 million slaves are estimated to have come to the New World via the transatlantic trade; the 400,000 who didn't go to North America went to other parts of the Western Hemisphere, which were much more deadly to slaves than North America was. Millions of them were simply worked to death in the jungles of the Caribbean, Central America, and South America. Brazil was particularly nasty, and the trade there was almost entirely in the hands of the Jews (and crypto-Jews).

    I understand that blacks still did not have the same freedom and standard of living that whites had under the seventy-five-odd years of Jim Crow.
     
    They certainly lived beyond their means, though, thanks to whites - as they have since their arrival in this hemisphere.

    McWhorter tries to couch his disgust at this perspective in fatalism. Basically, he believes that white people are just too darn nice to accept such a “brutally open, race-based meritocratic consensus.” So since it is impossible to achieve, why talk about it?
     
    Whites will never reach such a conclusion, so we should ban whites from trying to persuade each other to reach such a conclusion. This is black literacy, I suppose.

    P.S., I would like to suggest that we encourage Jews to breed with blacks. Jews intermarriage rate with blacks is near zero and a dirty little Jewish secret. But I have hope that Jewish IQ can be used to raise black IQ to right around the white mean.

    I have hope that the Jews and the blacks and the Asians and the mestizo can find an island

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  12. dearieme says:
    @Svigor

    McWhorter begins his article by asking what we have to gain by discussing the intellectual inferiority of blacks.
     
    There's a very simple answer to this: we can get the false charges against whites thrown out of court. The current argument is that whites must pay (in perpetuity) for "breaking" blacks. But blacks were already broken when whites found them. So whites are not responsible for black failure, Mother Nature is. (I note that the author makes this point, though I don't prefer the "off the hook" language)

    grew from implacably oppressive slavery followed by a Jim Crow hegemony that recapitulated slavery in essence. These were people living in what my linguist’s training reveals as a life bound in orality rather than literacy. To live restricted to casual speech rather than the artifice of writing creates a psychology ill equipped to score highly on the distinctly modern stunt known as the IQ test.
     
    50 years after Segregation's end, blacks still live in "orality." 99% still believe the false Roots narrative, wherein whites captured blacks in Africa and enslaved them. No, blacks captured blacks, enslaved them, and sold them to whites.

    If it’s “implacably oppressive” slavery you want, then look no further than black-on-black slavery in Africa or, better yet, Muslim-on-black slavery. According to M. A. Khan in Islamic Jihad, Muslims herded over 2 million black slaves out of Africa in the 19th century alone – a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years. Ronald Segal, in Islam’s Black Slaves, states that Islamic slave traders possibly enslaved around eleven million blacks in total, with estimates going as high as thirty million. And in many cases theirs was a truly wretched existence, with the women toiling as sex slaves and with the men being worked to death as conscript soldiers or galley slaves. In just about all cases, male black slaves captured by Islamic slave traders endured castration, a practice almost unheard of in the white, Christian outpost of the United States. Remember, eighty-to-ninety percent of black slaves perished before even making it to the Muslim world, again a far a cry from the sixteen percent of black slaves who died en route across the Atlantic (1.9 million out of 11.7 million according to my Mainstream of Civilization history textbook from 1989).
     
    A couple other relevant points:

    1 black slaves were captured and enslaved by other blacks via warfare; conquered blacks who wound up enslaved were the lucky ones; the rest were put to death.

    2 Roughly 11 million slaves are estimated to have come to the New World via the transatlantic trade; the 400,000 who didn't go to North America went to other parts of the Western Hemisphere, which were much more deadly to slaves than North America was. Millions of them were simply worked to death in the jungles of the Caribbean, Central America, and South America. Brazil was particularly nasty, and the trade there was almost entirely in the hands of the Jews (and crypto-Jews).

    I understand that blacks still did not have the same freedom and standard of living that whites had under the seventy-five-odd years of Jim Crow.
     
    They certainly lived beyond their means, though, thanks to whites - as they have since their arrival in this hemisphere.

    McWhorter tries to couch his disgust at this perspective in fatalism. Basically, he believes that white people are just too darn nice to accept such a “brutally open, race-based meritocratic consensus.” So since it is impossible to achieve, why talk about it?
     
    Whites will never reach such a conclusion, so we should ban whites from trying to persuade each other to reach such a conclusion. This is black literacy, I suppose.

    P.S., I would like to suggest that we encourage Jews to breed with blacks. Jews intermarriage rate with blacks is near zero and a dirty little Jewish secret. But I have hope that Jewish IQ can be used to raise black IQ to right around the white mean.

    “P.S., I would like to suggest that we encourage Jews to breed with blacks. … I have hope that Jewish IQ can be used to raise black IQ to right around the white mean.”

    At last, an actionable suggestion.

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    This is already happening. https://nypost.com/2017/06/17/sperminator-has-sired-dozens-of-kids-and-there-could-be-more-coming/

    John McWhorter is married to (((Martha Sparks))). Jews have high intermarriage rates with black/Asians.

    The race conversation needs to be shifted.
  13. Forbes says:

    According to M. A. Khan in Islamic Jihad, Muslims herded over 2 million black slaves out of Africa in the 19th century alone – a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years.

    Is it likely that slavery in North America has yet to end, as the first slaves purportedly arrived in Jamestown in 1619.

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    Well, 2019 is just around the corner. It really is time to end the North American slave trade. 400 years is enough already!
  14. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    A major problem for people like McWhorter is that once you open up the topic of race-based differences, it may move beyond simple IQ differences, into genetically-based comportement differences, which may be much more important. Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation, a propensity for violence and much more promiscuous sexual behavior--all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment. If blacks were simply less intelligent versions of whites, the problems woud be much more manageable, but their dysfunctional communities are also a product of dysfunctional behavior. This would justify two sets of laws and standards: one for whites and another for blacks. For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms. Their lack of impulse control and disregard of consequences exacerbate their genetic propensity to violence. Black disputes settled with fists or even knives would lead to much lower death and injury rates than what we have now. The notions that blacks can govern themselves in a democratic system devised by whites is also be open to challenge. Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren't so sad.

    “Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation”…

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand

    “a propensity for violence…”

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.

    “and much more promiscuous sexual behavior…”

    No, not quite.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/19/young-white-men-uk-most-hated-social-group-public-attitudes

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    “all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment.”

    Sources or retract.

    “For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms.”

    How would you rectify your proposal to the Second Amendment?

    “Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren’t so sad.”

    A number of white people elected Donald Trump, whose stupidity is legendary.

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    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand
     
    Umm... did you look at your own reference?

    "Confirming all the stereotypes, the Germanic peoples (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) were at the very top of the charts."

    The only data presented in the link directly contradicts your assertion. Granted, there is high variance in white countries, with Russia scoring quite low. But on average, the included white countries have much longer time preference than the only 2 black countries on the list (Angola and Nigeria), which are both near the bottom.
    , @ANON
    Trump graduated from Wharton, one of the toughest schools in the country. Whatever he is, he is not stupid. But you are stupid because you believe the media that says he is stupid.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    The cucks have arrived.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    Article does not show the break down across racial lines. Therefore, we have to assume that blacks are indeed counted in among Gen. X stats (as there are blacks born during the 1965-1980 era, commonly known as Generation X).

    You mad at whites or something, brah?
    , @Jwill
    You may disagree with Trump, but you don't survive in high end commercial real estate by being stupid.

    Most of our political leaders wouldn't last a day in that world
    , @Dissident

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.
     
    That may very well be correct. The fact remains, however, that even when socio-economic and all other factors have been accounted-for, Blacks still commit violent crimes at a rate many times higher than Whites do. The statistics are clear and overwhelming. (And, if anything, there is reason to suspect that the actual rates of Black crime are even higher than those reflected in the statistics.
    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/
    http://www.vdare.com/users/nicholas-stix )

    If this were not the case, then the violent crime rates for White Appalachia, perhaps the poorest region of the U.S., would be comparable to those for poor Black areas. But they're not. Nowhere close.
    , @Notamayate
    Oh, jeez, one of them.

    OK, let's throw out everything you are arguing, and just concentrate on the IQ bell-curve difference and impulse control.

    What say you, defender 0f the Black agenda?

    Why should Whites have to carry the insufficient Black people as a burden throughout their years of schooling? Especially considering Blacks blatantly disrupt classes where some actually wish to, gasp, learn?

    Oh, yeah, lack of impulse control. Detroit.
  15. Corvinus says:
    @George Weinbaum
    In 1785 Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Notes on the State of Virginia". From page 266 in my copy, "Comparing [Negroes] by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous".
    Here, here.

    “In 1785 Thomas Jefferson wrote…”

    Yet in 1791 Jefferson got schooled…

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part2/2h71.html

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  16. @Diversity Heretic
    Another point that Steve Sailer has made is that if we start acknowledging the average black-white IQ difference, it might lead to a exposition of the consequences of the average white-Jewish IQ difference, which is approximately the same.

    National Review is long gone in the Cult of Negro Veneration. This article is just another example.

    The average so-called “Jew” in the West is substantially Germanic and/or Slavic genetically. If you encounter someone Jewish who denies that or takes umbrage, ask to see their test results from ancestry.com or 23andme or the like.

    So there is no such thing as a “white-Jewish” gap unless people are saying that Sephardic genetically Semitic Jews with no substantial white genes tend to be more measurably intelligent than whites. I don’t think that’s the argument, and I haven’t seen evidence for that.

    “Jews” taking credit for “Jewish” intelligence in the modern USA and Europe are effectively taking credit for their own substantial white European genes (which also tends to mitigate their physical ugliness). (We should say, “you’re welcome.”)

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    Where do you get your facts, or factoids from? Ashkenazi Jews were well established inbreedong communities before they moved to Poland and what became Russian territories so where's your evidence of Slavic descent? Indeed where is the evidence of German rather than Celtic ancestry in Ashkenazim? The point you seek to make is in fact as misconceived as if you were to say the Tutsi aren't really a tall people because lots of them have Hutu ancestry. You would be ignoring how long intrabreeding extended families have been breeding as an identifiable separate group.
  17. Truth says:
    @Priss Factor
    Also, perhaps I could shame the NR editors into showing at least a little self-respect during their long, sad goodbye. Guys, even for cucks, this is cucking.

    Good article, but it too cucks by pretending that the main problem is about IQ.

    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?

    No, the real threat to whites is muscular, vocal, and genital.

    Blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt.
    Blacks got bigger voices and this makes whites respect blacks as 'masterful'.
    Blacks got bigger dongs, and jungle fever further humiliates white men cuz of ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of white wombs.

    Those are the real reasons why whites need safe spaces from blacks.

    Men need pride of manhood for mental health, and white male pride is impossible around blacks due to BAMMAMA factor: blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?

    Do you have any idea how many times you’ve used this line? I would say, honestly, about 14; and that’s just on the threads I have read.

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    Do you have any idea how many times you’ve used this line? I would say, honestly, about 14; and that’s just on the threads I have read.

    Not quite. I sometimes go for variety and mention Gary Coleman instead.
  18. ltravail says:

    Wow! Spencer Quinn, whoever or whatever he is, is illiterate compared to John McWhorter!

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  19. I wonder…

    Would there be this Magic Negro stuff if US and West weren’t Christian?

    Suppose a pagan West had enslaved blacks and later freed them. Maybe they might feel some ‘guilt’ but would they feel this worship of the Negro?

    After all, it was Negrohood + Christianity formula that made the Negro so holy.

    Converted to Christians, Negroes could claim God just as much as the white man. Even during slavery, if the Negro was equal to white man in one regard, it before God. Also, even during Jimmy Crow, even redneck whites couldn’t say God favored white souls over black souls. (I might have said it but I’m not Christian.)

    The image of the lowly Negro who underwent slavery and faced discrimination but had faith in God of justice and goodness is moving. That is undeniable. It’s impossible not to feel love for the black mama in RAISIN IN THE SUN. And Aunt Esther too.

    [MORE]

    Also, Christianity is about sanctimony of the poor and wretched, and it is revitalized through story of persecution. Since Negroes were slaves and faced discrimination, their story became more compelling in Christian terms.
    It’s like the Scorsese film SILENCE. The Christian themes become moving again because Christians are persecuted in Japan like in the faith’s founding when Christians were hounded by Jews and crushed by Romans. It was the religion of the powerless.
    In powerful Europe, the Portuguese priests are full of faith but they are put to the test. They were raised as Christians from cradle, and Christian power is all around them. So, as devout and faithful as they are, their Christianity isn’t compelling since they aren’t put thru the wringer like Jesus and Disciples were. But in Japan, they muster all the spiritual courage and strength to remain faithful to God.

    So, even as Christian Powers sought dominion over heathens all around the world and forced them to conversion, they also found the suffering of the conquered more compelling from a Christian perspective. These suffering Christian converts who lived under White Power were like the early Christians who got whupped by Jews and Romans. And in the US, Negroes often had little more than faith to keep their hopes alive and feel dignity as so much of white society was calling them ‘coons’ and stuff.

    Notice that Muslims never much went about idolizing the Negro as holy magic negro. Islam isn’t into guilt. Also, Islam, like Judaism, doesn’t regard humans as godlike. In contrast, Christianity is premised on the notion that Son of God is also Man. So, some Jewish guy was the Son of God who walked among us. It is almost quasi-paganist. Anyway, even though Christianity says only Jesus was man-as-God, it nevertheless set the template that man can be godlike.
    According to Judaism, only God can be God. No man can be God. Some can be great like Moses or David, but they were not holy. According to Islam, only Allah is God. Muhammad was the greatest prophet but still only a prophet. So, the idea of a holy magic man like Jesus is anathema. In contrast, as Christian West became more secular, it sought out new jesuses or christ-like figures modeled on the Messiah. A secular outgrowth of Judeo-Christianity, Communism, put forth Marx and Lenin as god-like people. It paved the way for cult worship of Stalin, Mao, and Castro. And Che Guevara became a jesus-like figure. Sartre called him ‘perfect man’.
    In the US, the Negro took to Christianity more than American Indians did. As Indians lived apart, white man didn’t much care what the red savage believed. But as Negroes lived next to whites, whites were more mindful of turning them into good Christians. Also, as Negroes were big, muscular, and dangerous, whites feared that unless Negroes worshiped God and remained moral, they would go crazy and act like gangstaz and sex beasts(which they are now).
    As white folks were eager to encourage blacks to be Nice Christians(and not revert to their savage jungle nature), they were very encouraging of black religiosity. Better to have Negroes holler about God than about whupping honk*y.
    Furthermore, as Negroes had these big loud booming voices, they sounded more compelling and authoritative, as if they were the boom boxes of angels who rigged God’s stereophonic system. Granted, not all Negroes sounded BIG like MLK or Darth Vader. If MLK had the voice of Mike Tyson, people might have chuckled.

    Also, there was the rise of electronica. Before electricity took over modern society, people relied on books, newspapers, and local oratory. But electricity meant radio and TV in every home. It meant movie theaters. And millions of TV and radios could beam the same message and content from a handful of corporations that controlled all media. So, if Big Media wanted to beam the image of Holy Negro into every American home, they could through electricity. This way, every white boy and white girl would come under the spell of some mountain-sized Negro who loves a little white mouse in GREEN MILE. American people’s minds are like TV sets. The images and ideas in their heads have been put them by TV’s. A few corporations beam exactly the same content to every TV set, and there are 100s of millions of them. So, all American eyes and ears see and hear exactly the same thing and their minds are filled with them. American brain is just an organic TV set.
    Prior to electricity, every person might read a different paper, book, talk with different people, have different discussions with family and friends. But with the radio and TV, every house came to be affected by EXACT SAME images and sounds.

    In RADIO DAYS, we see how things are changing. It is before TV, and there is family life. Much happens to the people in the movie apart from pop culture and media. But the Radio is always there and changing how people think, feel, and act. Orson Welles WAR OF THE WORLDS was truthful in a way. No, there was no Martian invasion, but the Radio was like an alien invasion. It was a new way of information where EVERY HOUSE was intruded and invaded by the SAME information, ideas, and narratives from some hidden place owned by the powerful. And the issue of WHO gets to control the radiowaves and TV signals would decide the future. Electronica did lead to War of the Worlds as control of mass media means instantly controlling the minds of millions with the same assemblage of words and sounds… and later images with advent of TV.
    (Internet takes this even further, but the difference is the CONTENT can now be created and shared by the individuals whereas prior to the internet, all content was made by handful of big media folks. ) If Woody Allen’s movie focused on the effect of Radio, AVALON by Barry Levinson was about family life and culture that would be wiped out by the coming of TV.
    The family in that movie sells TV and makes good money, but the Tube will destroy the kind of family life and culture they had. RADIO DAYS and AVALON are transitional stories, a time when much of traditional life was still much alive and in a kind of balance with the power of electronic culture. But with rise of youth culture in the 60s, the electronic world destroyed much of family life. Today, many americans are likely to spend more time with fake families on TV than with their own families.

    Anyway, electronica did wonders for the Magic Negro cult since radios and TV’s could transmit MLK’s speech all over American and the world.

    But it still begs the question… why wasn’t there a MLK-like character in Latin America?
    Was it because Latin American culture is more authoritarian and this rubbed off on Negroes?
    One thing I noticed about blacks and mulattoes from Puerto Rico is that they are not as crazy and abrasive as American blacks. It seems Latin culture had a softening effect on them.
    Or maybe it was because Latin American culture was less idealistic, less ‘puritanical’, less reformist, less zealous. In contrast, American moral culture has puritanical roots. So, maybe Latin blacks were more live-and-let-live whereas American blacks be more judgmental.

    American blacks were surely affected by American Anglo individualism, winner-ism, ambitionism, reformism, etc.
    Unlike Latin whites who seemed content with corruption and dysfunction, Anglo whites were always looking to reform things, fix things, expand things, and etc. And American blacks seem to have caught this bug.

    We see this in music too. Afro-latin music is more fun and happy. American black music is more bitter and angry.

    Another reason could be Latin America became more mixed, so there was no stark black vs white dichotomy as existed in America. One could never tell who was what in Latin America. A white wasn’t always white, a black wasn’t always black, and brown could be anything.
    And maybe Catholicism had a dampening effect on individual ego. If MLK and Jesse Jackson had been Catholics, maybe they would have been more likely to follow Church orders than take things into their own hands and talk big like Patton.

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  20. CCZ says:

    So genes “strongly influence” how we look at other peoples faces and may underlie how we develop socially, but that information is only useful for “understanding autism” and nothing else?

    Study of How We Look at Faces May Offer Insight Into Autism
    NY Times July 12, 2017

    “How we look at other people’s faces is strongly influenced by our genes, scientists have found in new research that may be especially important for understanding autism because it suggests that people are born with neurological differences that affect how they develop socially.

    The study, published on Wednesday in the journal Nature, adds new pieces to the nature-versus-nurture puzzle, suggesting that genetics underlie how children seek out formative social experiences like making eye contact or observing facial expressions. Experts said the study may also provide a road map for scientists searching for genes linked to autism.”

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  21. @Corvinus
    "Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation"...

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand

    "a propensity for violence..."

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.

    "and much more promiscuous sexual behavior..."

    No, not quite.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/19/young-white-men-uk-most-hated-social-group-public-attitudes

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    "all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment."

    Sources or retract.

    "For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms."

    How would you rectify your proposal to the Second Amendment?

    "Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren’t so sad."

    A number of white people elected Donald Trump, whose stupidity is legendary.

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand

    Umm… did you look at your own reference?

    “Confirming all the stereotypes, the Germanic peoples (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) were at the very top of the charts.”

    The only data presented in the link directly contradicts your assertion. Granted, there is high variance in white countries, with Russia scoring quite low. But on average, the included white countries have much longer time preference than the only 2 black countries on the list (Angola and Nigeria), which are both near the bottom.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "The only data presented in the link directly contradicts your assertion. "

    Depends on what is one’s definition of white.

    "Granted, there is high variance in white countries, with Russia scoring quite low."

    Exactly.

    "But on average, the included white countries have much longer time preference than the only 2 black countries on the list (Angola and Nigeria), which are both near the bottom."

    Because of cultural, not racial, differences, as the study stated.
    , @whorefinder
    Covy's a paid Soros troll and speaks in the nonsense doubletalk patois of his snowflake people. Problem for him is, he's a very low IQ member of his tribe and so his tripe comes out very badly and makes him look very foolish.
  22. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @Corvinus
    "Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation"...

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand

    "a propensity for violence..."

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.

    "and much more promiscuous sexual behavior..."

    No, not quite.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/19/young-white-men-uk-most-hated-social-group-public-attitudes

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    "all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment."

    Sources or retract.

    "For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms."

    How would you rectify your proposal to the Second Amendment?

    "Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren’t so sad."

    A number of white people elected Donald Trump, whose stupidity is legendary.

    Trump graduated from Wharton, one of the toughest schools in the country. Whatever he is, he is not stupid. But you are stupid because you believe the media that says he is stupid.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Trump graduated from upenn which has the Wharton school. But when people refer to Wharton they are referring to the graduate school. Trump is the only one that ever refers to upend undergraduate as Wharton. Not a 100 percent lie but pretty much a false exaggeration.
  23. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    Also, perhaps I could shame the NR editors into showing at least a little self-respect during their long, sad goodbye. Guys, even for cucks, this is cucking.

    Good article, but it too cucks by pretending that the main problem is about IQ.

    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?

    No, the real threat to whites is muscular, vocal, and genital.

    Blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt.
    Blacks got bigger voices and this makes whites respect blacks as 'masterful'.
    Blacks got bigger dongs, and jungle fever further humiliates white men cuz of ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of white wombs.

    Those are the real reasons why whites need safe spaces from blacks.

    Men need pride of manhood for mental health, and white male pride is impossible around blacks due to BAMMAMA factor: blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

    So White men are intimidated by black men? Speak for yourself.

    You really need to get out more and get to know actual people instead of the porn in your computer. Is there a senior center in your neighborhood?

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    So White men are intimidated by black men? Speak for yourself.

    Are you kidding me?

    I grew up in an integrated city and saw all kind of shi*.

    I understand what White Flight is all about.

    I know what Howard Stern means when he says even Liberal Jews finally decided on Jew Flew.

    Look at crime stats.

    Look at Colin Flaherty videos.

    Also, it's getting worse than ever because Section 8 is sending blacks into all sorts of white communities where black kids win in high school sports and hump white ho's. No wonder so many white guys in small towns are demoralized. Not only did they lose their jobs to globalism but they are losing their girls to Negroes. I've seen this in my travel through small town in Ohio, New York, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.
    Colleges now farm white girls to hand over on platter to Negro athletes.

    And here is firsthand account of what Negroes to do schools. They whup white boys and hump white girls IN THE SCHOOL! And these white girls grew up without fathers or with cuck fathers or trash fathers, and their culture is Trash Hip Hop and slut skank culture:

    https://www.amren.com/features/2016/12/blacks-changed-school/

    This is happening all around, but YOU don't know or care because you hang around gentrified upscale posh areas with Nice Negroes like John McWhorter.

    You really need to get out more and get to know actual people instead of the porn in your computer. Is there a senior center in your neighborhood?

    This goes to show how out-of-date you are. There is no more 'mainstream vs porn' dichotomy.

    When I was young, it was still pre-VCR. If people sought porn, it was in downtown red light districts. And then, there was home video, and even kids might now see porn because some parents might have some. This is how I got to see my first porn at some kid's house of Ron Jeremy sucking his own dic*.

    Still, you had to be an adult to rent or buy porn. Also, porn back then was mostly hairy Jewish guys humping Catholic girls. This was the case when I was first working in a video shop.

    And then, things began to change, esp with the internet. Suddenly, any savvy kid could access porn of all kinds.

    More importantly, the barrier between porn and mainstream culture crumbled. While there was sexy mainstream entertainment, there was a clear dividing line between porn and mainstream. Also, there were rules as to what could be shown in the home.

    Fast Forward to today, and Porniness is Mainstream Culture.
    madonna, lady gaga, miley cyrus, beyonce, rihanna(though Umbrella is pretty sensational), and etc all peddle porny music and videos. Also, the biggest celebrity is Kim Kardashian.

    And this is what they feature in cosmo magazine.

    https://laughingacademy.tumblr.com/post/141266086263/straightmaleanalerotic-illustrations-from-the

    This is TEEN Vogue.

    http://www.teenvogue.com/story/anal-sex-what-you-need-to-know

    Shows like GIRLS by Dunham would have been pornography even in the 90s. Now, it's on TV.
    And there are other shows like that.

    And TV shows are about guys and girls talking about graphic details about sex, and etc.

    And get a load of this video by Katy Perry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPI-mRFEIH0

    It features Katy as white woman turned into sex dough ho by a bunch of Negroes.

    And children's shows are made by porn makers.

    https://www.change.org/p/nickelodeon-viacom-keep-sex-fetishism-out-of-children-s-television

    And this is TV commercial:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf6NjW-o2qs

    It shows bigass Negro cuckifying a maggoty white boy.

    So, if you think there is still separate space between Porn World and Mainstream Culture, you are living in the past. That levee has been broken, and pornic waters have flooded into the mainstream.

    Today, young white children will grow up not only with access to hardcore porn but with a mainstream culture that is essentially pornified.

    Kids grow up to stuff like Family Guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmhItxy2Fmg

    It's not wholesome stuff like Brady Bunch or Beavis and Butthead.

    But sadly, you choose to live in denial.... that is unless you are Negro and trying to fool whitey that all is well and there's nothing to worry about. If you are Gro, you don't fool us.
  24. whorefinder says: • Website

    McWhorter strikes me as a guy who, like black sports writer Jason Whitlock, seem to agree that blacks on average do worse at various things and racism isn’t to blame for it. Both seem to understand that they are part of the Talented Tenth, and so also have a noblesse oblige towards the lower-IQ members of their race.

    But they also saw what happened to Clarence Thomas for opposing the Gibsmedat mentality. And so they try to thread the needle: encouraging blacks to stop bitching about failing to make the grade and blaming racism while encouraging whites not to point it out or use it against them. It won’t work, but McWhorter/Whitlock will try, as they are civilized men.

    Whitlock makes this point subtly in many of his works, but one time he strikingly made it was with black QBs. Whitlock noted (like Limbaugh) that black QBs came roaring into the league with lots of hype and great physical skills, but did not apply themselves to learn QB systems, instead goofing off and relying on their speed/strength only.

    And time after time once their initial “wow” factor wore off they failed to live up to the hype. Michael Vick, DOnovan McNabb, the kid from the Carolina Panthers, etc. One NAACP member came out and criticized McNabb for playing the game too “white.”

    The hunt for the Great Black QB made Whitlock basically tell blacks that the only way blacks could become a greater force at QB was for teams to change the position to a platoon system where two-three black QBs would run options/wing-T -type offenses. But, as Whitlock pointed out, this would diminish the role of QB, since it would now be a replaceable running back and not a field general type. In clamoring for affirmative action black QB,s Whitlock implied, they would ruin the chance for big paydays and a truly great black QB. Instead, Whitlock told black QBs in his column to stick with learning the systems and mimicking great white QBs like Manning and Brady and make themselves into the Great Black QB.

    Anyway, I digress. We have a system of laws in this country that are premised on the idea notion that black failings are solely due to white racism and not due to innate racial differences. We also have a culture that reinforces that through after school special propaganda in movies and TV and song. These lawys and propaganda castigate whitey as the cause of all evil. We need overwhelming IQ proof to overthrow this caste system. McWhorter and Whitlock probably, deep down, wish Affirmative Action and hate whitey b.s didn’t exist, but thinks its a tolerable society. but the system is insufferable, and whites need to get rid of it, and noting IQ differences is a major piece of the artillery.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    As you note McWhorter is obviously a civilised man - who writes very well btw - and anyone who bothers to read his NR article should enjoy a sophisticated piece. Of particular interest is his pointing to the recent exclusive "orality" of black communities as a possibly still potent factor in black culture and blacks' expression of intellect. Obviously illiterate Eastern European Jews came from a very different background, but the oral culture may help explain a lot of primitives around the world, maybe including Erdogan's supporters in Turkey.
  25. I’m puzzled why articles like this are written.
    There is an IQ test, it seems that different groups of people on average score different on this test.
    So what ?
    I suppose there are many more tests on which different groups score differently.
    If there was a test for surviving in the jungle I suppose Amazonian Indians and Arnhem Land Aboriginals would score very high.
    Again, so what ?
    Jews on average seem to score ten points more on IQ tests.
    Again, so what ?
    Are non jews discriminated by this discrepancy ?
    I read that a black woman wants compensation for her lower IQ.
    One must have a very low IQ to have thoughts like this, where is the end of compensations ?

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  26. MEH 0910 says:

    Here are a couple of National Review online pieces that respond to the John McWhorter’s NR piece:

    Why I Write About Race and IQ by Robert Verbruggen

    A Reply to John McWhorter by Jonathan Anomaly & Brian Boutwell

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    • Replies: @another fred
    Thank you for those links. The reply by Anomaly and Boutwell is excellent. I don't go to NR much since the defenestration and would not likely have seen it otherwise.

    I have read other articles by Boutwell and he is sharp, but the tone of this one is different, I assume that is the influence of Anomaly, of whom I knew nothing before.

    Boutwell and Anomaly should be careful, they are making a difference in the dialogue and the personal attacks will follow.
  27. @ANON
    So White men are intimidated by black men? Speak for yourself.

    You really need to get out more and get to know actual people instead of the porn in your computer. Is there a senior center in your neighborhood?

    So White men are intimidated by black men? Speak for yourself.

    Are you kidding me?

    I grew up in an integrated city and saw all kind of shi*.

    I understand what White Flight is all about.

    I know what Howard Stern means when he says even Liberal Jews finally decided on Jew Flew.

    Look at crime stats.

    Look at Colin Flaherty videos.

    Also, it’s getting worse than ever because Section 8 is sending blacks into all sorts of white communities where black kids win in high school sports and hump white ho’s. No wonder so many white guys in small towns are demoralized. Not only did they lose their jobs to globalism but they are losing their girls to Negroes. I’ve seen this in my travel through small town in Ohio, New York, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.
    Colleges now farm white girls to hand over on platter to Negro athletes.

    And here is firsthand account of what Negroes to do schools. They whup white boys and hump white girls IN THE SCHOOL! And these white girls grew up without fathers or with cuck fathers or trash fathers, and their culture is Trash Hip Hop and slut skank culture:

    https://www.amren.com/features/2016/12/blacks-changed-school/

    [MORE]

    This is happening all around, but YOU don’t know or care because you hang around gentrified upscale posh areas with Nice Negroes like John McWhorter.

    You really need to get out more and get to know actual people instead of the porn in your computer. Is there a senior center in your neighborhood?

    This goes to show how out-of-date you are. There is no more ‘mainstream vs porn’ dichotomy.

    When I was young, it was still pre-VCR. If people sought porn, it was in downtown red light districts. And then, there was home video, and even kids might now see porn because some parents might have some. This is how I got to see my first porn at some kid’s house of Ron Jeremy sucking his own dic*.

    Still, you had to be an adult to rent or buy porn. Also, porn back then was mostly hairy Jewish guys humping Catholic girls. This was the case when I was first working in a video shop.

    And then, things began to change, esp with the internet. Suddenly, any savvy kid could access porn of all kinds.

    More importantly, the barrier between porn and mainstream culture crumbled. While there was sexy mainstream entertainment, there was a clear dividing line between porn and mainstream. Also, there were rules as to what could be shown in the home.

    Fast Forward to today, and Porniness is Mainstream Culture.
    madonna, lady gaga, miley cyrus, beyonce, rihanna(though Umbrella is pretty sensational), and etc all peddle porny music and videos. Also, the biggest celebrity is Kim Kardashian.

    And this is what they feature in cosmo magazine.

    https://laughingacademy.tumblr.com/post/141266086263/straightmaleanalerotic-illustrations-from-the

    This is TEEN Vogue.

    http://www.teenvogue.com/story/anal-sex-what-you-need-to-know

    Shows like GIRLS by Dunham would have been pornography even in the 90s. Now, it’s on TV.
    And there are other shows like that.

    And TV shows are about guys and girls talking about graphic details about sex, and etc.

    And get a load of this video by Katy Perry.

    It features Katy as white woman turned into sex dough ho by a bunch of Negroes.

    And children’s shows are made by porn makers.

    https://www.change.org/p/nickelodeon-viacom-keep-sex-fetishism-out-of-children-s-television

    And this is TV commercial:

    It shows bigass Negro cuckifying a maggoty white boy.

    So, if you think there is still separate space between Porn World and Mainstream Culture, you are living in the past. That levee has been broken, and pornic waters have flooded into the mainstream.

    Today, young white children will grow up not only with access to hardcore porn but with a mainstream culture that is essentially pornified.

    Kids grow up to stuff like Family Guy:

    It’s not wholesome stuff like Brady Bunch or Beavis and Butthead.

    But sadly, you choose to live in denial…. that is unless you are Negro and trying to fool whitey that all is well and there’s nothing to worry about. If you are Gro, you don’t fool us.

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    • Replies: @SAM HOUSTON
    "Are you kidding me? I grew up in an integrated city and saw all kind of shi*. I understand what White Flight is all about."

    O.K. this proves that you're either stupid or lying. What Whites are intimidated by are civil rights laws and their enforcement by left-wing urban political regimes that will subject you to exemplary sentencing if you dare defend yourself. If not for this and the gun grabbing there wouldn't be any White flight. Just dead negroes.

  28. This is a dumb article written by somebody not fit to polish McWhorter’s boots and I say that as a fully-paid believer in all things HBD.

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    • Replies: @wow
    aaaand here comes the liberal with his/her powerful response....NOTHING!

    (as usual)
    , @Priss Factor
    This is a dumb article written by somebody not fit to polish McWhorter’s boots and I say that as a fully-paid believer in all things HBD.

    You seem fit to shine McWhorter's behind.
    , @FX Enderby
    This article hurts my feelings and the writer is a big bad poopyhead! And I quite like McWhorter, too, who is a black guy, by the way. I like blacks because I am a good person and not a mean rotten poopyhead so shut up or I will stick my fingers in my ears.
  29. @RadicalCenter
    The average so-called "Jew" in the West is substantially Germanic and/or Slavic genetically. If you encounter someone Jewish who denies that or takes umbrage, ask to see their test results from ancestry.com or 23andme or the like.

    So there is no such thing as a "white-Jewish" gap unless people are saying that Sephardic genetically Semitic Jews with no substantial white genes tend to be more measurably intelligent than whites. I don't think that's the argument, and I haven't seen evidence for that.

    "Jews" taking credit for "Jewish" intelligence in the modern USA and Europe are effectively taking credit for their own substantial white European genes (which also tends to mitigate their physical ugliness). (We should say, "you're welcome.")

    Where do you get your facts, or factoids from? Ashkenazi Jews were well established inbreedong communities before they moved to Poland and what became Russian territories so where’s your evidence of Slavic descent? Indeed where is the evidence of German rather than Celtic ancestry in Ashkenazim? The point you seek to make is in fact as misconceived as if you were to say the Tutsi aren’t really a tall people because lots of them have Hutu ancestry. You would be ignoring how long intrabreeding extended families have been breeding as an identifiable separate group.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    Askenazi jews are descendants of the heathen Asiatic Khazars, who lived somewhere north of the Crimea, converted to judaism in the 8th or 9th century.
    They chose judaism in order not to offend neighbours, in the west lived christians, in the east Muslims.

    Shlomo Sand, ‘The Invention of the Jewish People’, London, New York, 2009, 2010 (Tel Aviv, 2008, hebrew)

    The descendants of Asiatics drove the Palestinians, descendants of semitic jews, from Palestine.

    Arthur Koestler already wrote 'The Thirteenth Tribe' about de forefathers of the askenazi jews, but when he wrote the book the proof still was meagre.
  30. @whorefinder
    McWhorter strikes me as a guy who, like black sports writer Jason Whitlock, seem to agree that blacks on average do worse at various things and racism isn't to blame for it. Both seem to understand that they are part of the Talented Tenth, and so also have a noblesse oblige towards the lower-IQ members of their race.

    But they also saw what happened to Clarence Thomas for opposing the Gibsmedat mentality. And so they try to thread the needle: encouraging blacks to stop bitching about failing to make the grade and blaming racism while encouraging whites not to point it out or use it against them. It won't work, but McWhorter/Whitlock will try, as they are civilized men.

    Whitlock makes this point subtly in many of his works, but one time he strikingly made it was with black QBs. Whitlock noted (like Limbaugh) that black QBs came roaring into the league with lots of hype and great physical skills, but did not apply themselves to learn QB systems, instead goofing off and relying on their speed/strength only.

    And time after time once their initial "wow" factor wore off they failed to live up to the hype. Michael Vick, DOnovan McNabb, the kid from the Carolina Panthers, etc. One NAACP member came out and criticized McNabb for playing the game too "white."

    The hunt for the Great Black QB made Whitlock basically tell blacks that the only way blacks could become a greater force at QB was for teams to change the position to a platoon system where two-three black QBs would run options/wing-T -type offenses. But, as Whitlock pointed out, this would diminish the role of QB, since it would now be a replaceable running back and not a field general type. In clamoring for affirmative action black QB,s Whitlock implied, they would ruin the chance for big paydays and a truly great black QB. Instead, Whitlock told black QBs in his column to stick with learning the systems and mimicking great white QBs like Manning and Brady and make themselves into the Great Black QB.

    Anyway, I digress. We have a system of laws in this country that are premised on the idea notion that black failings are solely due to white racism and not due to innate racial differences. We also have a culture that reinforces that through after school special propaganda in movies and TV and song. These lawys and propaganda castigate whitey as the cause of all evil. We need overwhelming IQ proof to overthrow this caste system. McWhorter and Whitlock probably, deep down, wish Affirmative Action and hate whitey b.s didn't exist, but thinks its a tolerable society. but the system is insufferable, and whites need to get rid of it, and noting IQ differences is a major piece of the artillery.

    As you note McWhorter is obviously a civilised man – who writes very well btw – and anyone who bothers to read his NR article should enjoy a sophisticated piece. Of particular interest is his pointing to the recent exclusive “orality” of black communities as a possibly still potent factor in black culture and blacks’ expression of intellect. Obviously illiterate Eastern European Jews came from a very different background, but the oral culture may help explain a lot of primitives around the world, maybe including Erdogan’s supporters in Turkey.

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    illiterate Eastern European Jews
     
    Bah? One thing consistent across Jewish culture has been that, for religious reasons, all male children are taught to read. This is, in fact, often a cover Jews use for why Ashkenazi Jews have higher-than-average IQs: "It's because we learned to read, which biases the tests!" (never mind that non-Askenazi Jews also learned to read and didn't have the higher IQs).

    Jews have verbosity and loquaciousness because they have higher rates of sociopathy, and, therefore, have needed to develop verbal doubletalk to cover for what are otherwise reprehensible actions. High verbal skill is a trait among sociopaths.

    This goes for American blacks as well: the nonsensical verbiage from them is an attempt to sociopathically disguise what they did. Almost every black defendant in court wants to take the stand and/or speak to the judge, convinced that he can "hustle" everyone into letting him go. It always ends up backfiring, however, since black IQ is so low what might work in a hustle of a black person comes across laughable and cheap to anyone with an IQ at 100 or above.

  31. K says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    A major problem for people like McWhorter is that once you open up the topic of race-based differences, it may move beyond simple IQ differences, into genetically-based comportement differences, which may be much more important. Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation, a propensity for violence and much more promiscuous sexual behavior--all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment. If blacks were simply less intelligent versions of whites, the problems woud be much more manageable, but their dysfunctional communities are also a product of dysfunctional behavior. This would justify two sets of laws and standards: one for whites and another for blacks. For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms. Their lack of impulse control and disregard of consequences exacerbate their genetic propensity to violence. Black disputes settled with fists or even knives would lead to much lower death and injury rates than what we have now. The notions that blacks can govern themselves in a democratic system devised by whites is also be open to challenge. Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren't so sad.

    >>”The notions that blacks can govern themselves in a democratic system devised by whites is also be open to challenge. ”<<

    I spent three years in a completely black caribbean island country of st.kitts in the early 2000's. The island was impressively governed without the help of a single white. I never saw a single white in any administrative position. Maybe they were present i dont know, but certainly none among the top administration. Law and order was also perfect. Me and my friends (we are not black) could even walk through the down-tr0dden parts of the island without getting mugged or attacked…..even at late in the night. The economy was very good too……everybody had a car and a house and a decent education, with very few on welfare. And it was not one of those islands that depended completely on tourist income. Tourist income was only a small part of that country.

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    • Replies: @another fred
    I googled "St Kitts crime". Among the several links containing warnings of rising crime was:

    "A gang war in 2008 meant that St Kitts became, statistically, the murder capital of the world when 23 people were killed out of its tiny population of just 46,000."

    and

    "According to police statistics released on Friday evening, crime in St Kitts and Nevis increased by 56.8% in 2016. The total number of reported crimes in 2016 was 1,643, compared to 1,048 in 2015, with all but two categories of crime showing increases."

    http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/headline-Crime-in-St-Kitts-Nevis-increased-by-56.8-percent-in-2016-33653.html

    I'm no expert, but it seems there is a difference of opinion. They are trying to do something about it though.

    Snip: "Prime Minister Harris said the increase is reflective of his Government’s resolve to do “whatever it takes to rid our beloved Federation of the scourge of crime which threatens the very foundation of our economy and the peaceful way of life to which our people are accustomed”."

    http://www.winnfm.com/news/local/20102-2016-crime-stats-for-st-kitts-and-nevis-still-not-released

    Just as the Bahamians learned after electing the socialist Pindling back in the 70s, crime dissuades holiday travel.

    , @David
    Further to "another fred," the Guardian in 2014 listed Basseterre as the city with the highest murder in the world based on 2011 statistics.

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/jun/24/10-world-cities-highest-murder-rates-homicides-in-pictures

    SO K is wrong about St Kitts being safe. What about well governed? If meeting out justice is any measure, no. From the St Kitts Observer Newspaper, 2016: 24 Homicides, 0 Murder Convictions.

    http://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/local-news/2016-homicides-24-murder-convictions-0/

    , @Priss Factor
    I spent three years in a completely black caribbean island country of st.kitts in the early 2000's. The island was impressively governed without the help of a single white. I never saw a single white in any administrative position.

    Then you woke up.

    Btw, if blacks are so capable, all blacks need to emulate these Kangri La Negroes.
  32. The author would do a great service to avoid talking about Russia as it is quite obvious he knows nothing on the subject except repeating old clishes which are simply not true. If he wanted to compare black slaves lives in America to something far worse but happening with whites he could use Russian peasants especially before Alexander II reforms who lived life of slavery with families broken sold like cattle, constant hunger and recurring starvation’s over centuries. Holodomor for example is a lie created with one intent in heart, to break Russians and Ukranians apart.

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    Russian serfs were not sold like slaves, they belonged to the land.
    , @FX Enderby
    Sure! No gulags, no hunger, no terror. The USSR was indeed a worker's paradise and Stalin was a teddy bear.

    Seriously, in Khrushchev's autobiography he wrote about having to extract grain from near-starving Ukrainian farmers under Stalin's orders to fulfill arbitrary agricultural quotas (this was in the 1940's and 50's - when things were improving after WWII).

    Communism was a system of lies with perverse incentives that maximised human suffering.
  33. lavoisier says: • Website

    McWhorter has always seemed fairly reasonable on any number of matters. And he looks much more like a white person than a black person.

    I agree that any subject should be allowed open inquiry, no matter how offensive or hurtful it might be.

    But he approaches this issue with a certain modicum of honesty that is very refreshing. Most black writers who have even touched this issue at all are so certain that there is no such thing as race that they do not for even a microsecond consider the possibility of cognitive differences between groups of people.

    That there has to be differences between geographically separated groups of people in a complex behavior such as intelligence seems necessary if evolution by natural selection is a valid scientific theory.

    Nature does not often support our predjudices. The greatest predjudice today is the egalitarian dogma that we are all equal.

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    Most black writers who have even touched this issue at all are so certain that there is no such thing as race that they do not for even a microsecond consider the possibility of cognitive differences between groups of people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_AVEcqbgE


    No, all blacks believe in race and believe themselves to be more colorful, masterful, and badass.
    Among themselves, they put down other races. Even if blacks may not into details of HBD, the whole black attitude is 'we wuz kangs'.


    Blacks always talk of racial differences when it makes them look good or superior.
    They revile Race only when data shows blacks to be lacking in some department.
  34. @Wizard of Oz
    Where do you get your facts, or factoids from? Ashkenazi Jews were well established inbreedong communities before they moved to Poland and what became Russian territories so where's your evidence of Slavic descent? Indeed where is the evidence of German rather than Celtic ancestry in Ashkenazim? The point you seek to make is in fact as misconceived as if you were to say the Tutsi aren't really a tall people because lots of them have Hutu ancestry. You would be ignoring how long intrabreeding extended families have been breeding as an identifiable separate group.

    Askenazi jews are descendants of the heathen Asiatic Khazars, who lived somewhere north of the Crimea, converted to judaism in the 8th or 9th century.
    They chose judaism in order not to offend neighbours, in the west lived christians, in the east Muslims.

    Shlomo Sand, ‘The Invention of the Jewish People’, London, New York, 2009, 2010 (Tel Aviv, 2008, hebrew)

    The descendants of Asiatics drove the Palestinians, descendants of semitic jews, from Palestine.

    Arthur Koestler already wrote ‘The Thirteenth Tribe’ about de forefathers of the askenazi jews, but when he wrote the book the proof still was meagre.

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    Yeah, yeah, yeah - I'm sick of dealing with that old crap served up by nerds who read some misguided books and don't even use their common sense enough to start questioning. As you could have learned from Greg Cochran's occasional UR comments or his blog site Ashkenazim have about 48 to 60 per cent European DNA mostly from Jewish men marrying whoever was in northern Italy and the Rhineland before Germans got there. Only the Khazar royal family (and presumably some close to them) became Jewish. The commonsense question you didn't ask is "how come the language of Ashkenazim all over Eastern and Central Europe was a German dialect?".
  35. @Sergey Krieger
    The author would do a great service to avoid talking about Russia as it is quite obvious he knows nothing on the subject except repeating old clishes which are simply not true. If he wanted to compare black slaves lives in America to something far worse but happening with whites he could use Russian peasants especially before Alexander II reforms who lived life of slavery with families broken sold like cattle, constant hunger and recurring starvation's over centuries. Holodomor for example is a lie created with one intent in heart, to break Russians and Ukranians apart.

    Russian serfs were not sold like slaves, they belonged to the land.

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    They were sold. They could not leave and they could be sold or gambled away.
    , @Logan
    Not really true. Moscow and Leningrad newspapers contained lots of ads for sale of slaves. They were also routinely driven off the land they were supposedly tied to and put to work in factories started by their owners.
  36. @George Weinbaum
    "McWhorter's illiteracy-by-oppression argument ... fails on an additional level since, in their long history in Africa, very few blacks were literate to begin with". Many Christians congratulate their missionaries for bringing literacy to Africa. Think about that. Why was it necessary? Where else did Christian missionaries need to bring literacy to?
    As Muhammad Ali said in 1974, when returning from the "Rumble in the Jungle", "I'm glad my grandpappy got on that boat". Ali had been to Africa and wanted no part of it.
    In 1994 or 1995, shortly after the Bell Curve was published, National Review devoted an issue to discussing the Bell Curve. I doubt National Review would publish anything like that today.
    I'll see if I can find the issue.

    He did not know Africa before Europeans ruined all advanced kingdoms.
    Jan Vansina, ‘Kingdoms of the savanna, A history of Central African states until the European occupation’, London 1966

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  37. ” In many parts of the American South there were at least cordial if not affectionate relations between whites and blacks.”

    There continued to be in the part of the South I lived in in the 1970s … we white folk even had the frank discussions with black folk in ways that Eric Holder could only pay lip service to three decades later, and no one came away bloodied or branded a racist. Gone are the days ….

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  38. The National Review issue which dealt with the Bell Curve was December 5, 1994.

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  39. @jilles dykstra
    Russian serfs were not sold like slaves, they belonged to the land.

    They were sold. They could not leave and they could be sold or gambled away.

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    Owner could take all their possessions and often they had to work 7 days a week from early morning to late evening. American blacks lives were paradise by comparison.
  40. @jilles dykstra
    Askenazi jews are descendants of the heathen Asiatic Khazars, who lived somewhere north of the Crimea, converted to judaism in the 8th or 9th century.
    They chose judaism in order not to offend neighbours, in the west lived christians, in the east Muslims.

    Shlomo Sand, ‘The Invention of the Jewish People’, London, New York, 2009, 2010 (Tel Aviv, 2008, hebrew)

    The descendants of Asiatics drove the Palestinians, descendants of semitic jews, from Palestine.

    Arthur Koestler already wrote 'The Thirteenth Tribe' about de forefathers of the askenazi jews, but when he wrote the book the proof still was meagre.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah – I’m sick of dealing with that old crap served up by nerds who read some misguided books and don’t even use their common sense enough to start questioning. As you could have learned from Greg Cochran’s occasional UR comments or his blog site Ashkenazim have about 48 to 60 per cent European DNA mostly from Jewish men marrying whoever was in northern Italy and the Rhineland before Germans got there. Only the Khazar royal family (and presumably some close to them) became Jewish. The commonsense question you didn’t ask is “how come the language of Ashkenazim all over Eastern and Central Europe was a German dialect?”.

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  41. On modern taboos, the author could have mentioned the Gaysott Act (and similar pieces of legislation in the “free” West).

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  42. @Corvinus
    "Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation"...

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand

    "a propensity for violence..."

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.

    "and much more promiscuous sexual behavior..."

    No, not quite.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/19/young-white-men-uk-most-hated-social-group-public-attitudes

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    "all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment."

    Sources or retract.

    "For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms."

    How would you rectify your proposal to the Second Amendment?

    "Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren’t so sad."

    A number of white people elected Donald Trump, whose stupidity is legendary.

    The cucks have arrived.

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    "The cucks have arrived."

    It appears you enjoy prostituting yourself by constantly exposing that term to people who pay no attention to it. Welcome to intellectual whoredom.
  43. Logan says:

    “during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, black slaves were offered their freedom if they would only rise up against their masters.”

    Not sure this is entirely correct.

    I am unfamiliar with Union efforts to encourage slaves to revolt in a Haiti-style pogrom, as opposed to attempts to get them to abandon the plantations and cease active support of the CSA war effort. In the final Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln stated, “And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.” This was added from the Preliminary EP because of concerns that the original version encouraged slave revolt and violence.

    Given that several slave states were at this time in the Union and supporting its war effort, Lincoln had every reason to avoid anything that could be portrayed as encouraging slaves to “rise up against their masters.”

    In the Revolution, the British offered slaves freedom if they’d enlist in the British armed forces and fight for the King. But then the American Patriots did much the same, though I’m vague on whether they made enlistment and eventual freedom dependent on the master’s permission.

    In fact, the CSA eventually implemented much the same policy, though far too late in the war to have any effect.

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    "a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years."

    The first slave was brought to the English colonies of North America in 1619. The slave trade was outlawed in the USA in 1807.

    That's 188 years, not 400.

    To be sure, the De Soto expedition of 1539 included black slaves, but that was an exploration, not settlement, and anyway it only gets us to 268 years. Plus, presumably this should be blamed on the successor states of Spain, not on USA, a successor state of the British colonies.

    Even if we date from Columbus, it only gets us to 315 years.

    The "400 years" is often touted, but darn if I can figure out where it comes from.
    , @anarchyst
    Lincoln's "Emancipation Proclamation" did not apply to slaves in the north--only to slaves in "the states of rebellion"...an interesting fact that is quite often overlooked and misinterpreted.
    As to the "3/5ths" representation, the southern states wanted slaves to be counted as "full persons" for apportionment purposes. It was those in the north who insisted that slaves be counted as "3/5ths" of a whole person, diluting the political power of the south...another fact that is quite often misrepresented.
  44. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @ANON
    Trump graduated from Wharton, one of the toughest schools in the country. Whatever he is, he is not stupid. But you are stupid because you believe the media that says he is stupid.

    Trump graduated from upenn which has the Wharton school. But when people refer to Wharton they are referring to the graduate school. Trump is the only one that ever refers to upend undergraduate as Wharton. Not a 100 percent lie but pretty much a false exaggeration.

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    It is possible to get a bachelor's degree from Wharton:

    https://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/academics/bs-versus-ba/

    One of my co-workers has a Wharton BS in economics from the 1980s. (I've seen the degree in his office, and he's not a bull-sh*tter.)
  45. Logan says:
    @Logan
    "during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, black slaves were offered their freedom if they would only rise up against their masters."

    Not sure this is entirely correct.

    I am unfamiliar with Union efforts to encourage slaves to revolt in a Haiti-style pogrom, as opposed to attempts to get them to abandon the plantations and cease active support of the CSA war effort. In the final Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln stated, "And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages." This was added from the Preliminary EP because of concerns that the original version encouraged slave revolt and violence.

    Given that several slave states were at this time in the Union and supporting its war effort, Lincoln had every reason to avoid anything that could be portrayed as encouraging slaves to "rise up against their masters."

    In the Revolution, the British offered slaves freedom if they'd enlist in the British armed forces and fight for the King. But then the American Patriots did much the same, though I'm vague on whether they made enlistment and eventual freedom dependent on the master's permission.

    In fact, the CSA eventually implemented much the same policy, though far too late in the war to have any effect.

    “a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years.”

    The first slave was brought to the English colonies of North America in 1619. The slave trade was outlawed in the USA in 1807.

    That’s 188 years, not 400.

    To be sure, the De Soto expedition of 1539 included black slaves, but that was an exploration, not settlement, and anyway it only gets us to 268 years. Plus, presumably this should be blamed on the successor states of Spain, not on USA, a successor state of the British colonies.

    Even if we date from Columbus, it only gets us to 315 years.

    The “400 years” is often touted, but darn if I can figure out where it comes from.

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    Black math, which came from WASP Elite math when it was petting its beloved Numinous Negro.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Brazil didn't abolish slavery til 1889. Perhaps other South American nations as well, so this (from ca.1540-1889) that gets to 350yrs.

    And, due to more and more ships constantly going to Caribbean and South America all the time because of slaves dying off at a much higher rate compared to North American slaves. Thus the labor supply in South America and Caribbean needed to be constantly replaced.
  46. @K
    >>''The notions that blacks can govern themselves in a democratic system devised by whites is also be open to challenge. ''<<

    I spent three years in a completely black caribbean island country of st.kitts in the early 2000's. The island was impressively governed without the help of a single white. I never saw a single white in any administrative position. Maybe they were present i dont know, but certainly none among the top administration. Law and order was also perfect. Me and my friends (we are not black) could even walk through the down-tr0dden parts of the island without getting mugged or attacked.....even at late in the night. The economy was very good too......everybody had a car and a house and a decent education, with very few on welfare. And it was not one of those islands that depended completely on tourist income. Tourist income was only a small part of that country.

    I googled “St Kitts crime”. Among the several links containing warnings of rising crime was:

    “A gang war in 2008 meant that St Kitts became, statistically, the murder capital of the world when 23 people were killed out of its tiny population of just 46,000.”

    and

    “According to police statistics released on Friday evening, crime in St Kitts and Nevis increased by 56.8% in 2016. The total number of reported crimes in 2016 was 1,643, compared to 1,048 in 2015, with all but two categories of crime showing increases.”

    http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/headline-Crime-in-St-Kitts-Nevis-increased-by-56.8-percent-in-2016-33653.html

    I’m no expert, but it seems there is a difference of opinion. They are trying to do something about it though.

    Snip: “Prime Minister Harris said the increase is reflective of his Government’s resolve to do “whatever it takes to rid our beloved Federation of the scourge of crime which threatens the very foundation of our economy and the peaceful way of life to which our people are accustomed”.”

    http://www.winnfm.com/news/local/20102-2016-crime-stats-for-st-kitts-and-nevis-still-not-released

    Just as the Bahamians learned after electing the socialist Pindling back in the 70s, crime dissuades holiday travel.

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    @ David too,

    Notice i said that i spent 'three years' in the early 2000's. Starting from late 2001, to 2003 and then from 2004 to late 2005. I left after 2005. In late 2004 'drugs' in significant amounts started coming into the island. I should have added this to my earlier post about st.kitts, but i thought drugs wouldnt have made any difference. But it seems like they did.

    Until 2005 (when i permanently left the island) it was peaceful.

  47. Logan says:
    @Svigor

    Another point that Steve Sailer has made is that if we start acknowledging the average black-white IQ difference, it might lead to a exposition of the consequences of the average white-Jewish IQ difference, which is approximately the same.
     
    More like half. Israeli Jewish IQ drags the Jewish mean way down (to about 108), and there's no principled reason to exclude it.

    Svigor is approximately correct if we limit the discussion to USA, as we are in the discussion of black/white IQ differences. We don’t normally pitch into the discussion the average IQs of blacks in Africa.

    Your point also makes no sense. There is no logical way whereby one average or below average IQ group breeding with another average IQ group results in descendants with an IQ a standard deviation above either group of ancestors.

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  48. Logan says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Russian serfs were not sold like slaves, they belonged to the land.

    Not really true. Moscow and Leningrad newspapers contained lots of ads for sale of slaves. They were also routinely driven off the land they were supposedly tied to and put to work in factories started by their owners.

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  49. Quinn’s piece strikes me as an unjustifiedly mean-spirited reply to McWhorter. I can understand being pissed at NR (aren’t we all?), but there’s no reason to take it out on McWhorter.

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  50. MarkinLA says:
    @Svigor

    McWhorter begins his article by asking what we have to gain by discussing the intellectual inferiority of blacks.
     
    There's a very simple answer to this: we can get the false charges against whites thrown out of court. The current argument is that whites must pay (in perpetuity) for "breaking" blacks. But blacks were already broken when whites found them. So whites are not responsible for black failure, Mother Nature is. (I note that the author makes this point, though I don't prefer the "off the hook" language)

    grew from implacably oppressive slavery followed by a Jim Crow hegemony that recapitulated slavery in essence. These were people living in what my linguist’s training reveals as a life bound in orality rather than literacy. To live restricted to casual speech rather than the artifice of writing creates a psychology ill equipped to score highly on the distinctly modern stunt known as the IQ test.
     
    50 years after Segregation's end, blacks still live in "orality." 99% still believe the false Roots narrative, wherein whites captured blacks in Africa and enslaved them. No, blacks captured blacks, enslaved them, and sold them to whites.

    If it’s “implacably oppressive” slavery you want, then look no further than black-on-black slavery in Africa or, better yet, Muslim-on-black slavery. According to M. A. Khan in Islamic Jihad, Muslims herded over 2 million black slaves out of Africa in the 19th century alone – a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years. Ronald Segal, in Islam’s Black Slaves, states that Islamic slave traders possibly enslaved around eleven million blacks in total, with estimates going as high as thirty million. And in many cases theirs was a truly wretched existence, with the women toiling as sex slaves and with the men being worked to death as conscript soldiers or galley slaves. In just about all cases, male black slaves captured by Islamic slave traders endured castration, a practice almost unheard of in the white, Christian outpost of the United States. Remember, eighty-to-ninety percent of black slaves perished before even making it to the Muslim world, again a far a cry from the sixteen percent of black slaves who died en route across the Atlantic (1.9 million out of 11.7 million according to my Mainstream of Civilization history textbook from 1989).
     
    A couple other relevant points:

    1 black slaves were captured and enslaved by other blacks via warfare; conquered blacks who wound up enslaved were the lucky ones; the rest were put to death.

    2 Roughly 11 million slaves are estimated to have come to the New World via the transatlantic trade; the 400,000 who didn't go to North America went to other parts of the Western Hemisphere, which were much more deadly to slaves than North America was. Millions of them were simply worked to death in the jungles of the Caribbean, Central America, and South America. Brazil was particularly nasty, and the trade there was almost entirely in the hands of the Jews (and crypto-Jews).

    I understand that blacks still did not have the same freedom and standard of living that whites had under the seventy-five-odd years of Jim Crow.
     
    They certainly lived beyond their means, though, thanks to whites - as they have since their arrival in this hemisphere.

    McWhorter tries to couch his disgust at this perspective in fatalism. Basically, he believes that white people are just too darn nice to accept such a “brutally open, race-based meritocratic consensus.” So since it is impossible to achieve, why talk about it?
     
    Whites will never reach such a conclusion, so we should ban whites from trying to persuade each other to reach such a conclusion. This is black literacy, I suppose.

    P.S., I would like to suggest that we encourage Jews to breed with blacks. Jews intermarriage rate with blacks is near zero and a dirty little Jewish secret. But I have hope that Jewish IQ can be used to raise black IQ to right around the white mean.

    Roughly 11 million slaves are estimated to have come to the New World via the transatlantic trade;

    Not buying this given the types of ships that existed during the slave trade days. No more than a couple of hundred on a trip. Most would have had to be born here from slave parents. Where di this number come from?

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    You can Google "slave trade statistics."

    Lots of data, you can decide what to believe, but the consensus is pretty much along that line. Some estimates are higher. Lots of records were kept, some inferences were drawn.
    , @Numinous

    Not buying this given the types of ships that existed during the slave trade days. No more than a couple of hundred on a trip.
     
    Slaves were not guests in cabins. They were packed like sardines in the holds. Use your imagination.
  51. @Sergey Krieger
    They were sold. They could not leave and they could be sold or gambled away.

    Owner could take all their possessions and often they had to work 7 days a week from early morning to late evening. American blacks lives were paradise by comparison.

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  52. wow says:
    @Open-hearted liberal
    This is a dumb article written by somebody not fit to polish McWhorter's boots and I say that as a fully-paid believer in all things HBD.

    aaaand here comes the liberal with his/her powerful response….NOTHING!

    (as usual)

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  53. @MEH 0910
    Here are a couple of National Review online pieces that respond to the John McWhorter's NR piece:

    Why I Write About Race and IQ by Robert Verbruggen

    A Reply to John McWhorter by Jonathan Anomaly & Brian Boutwell

    Thank you for those links. The reply by Anomaly and Boutwell is excellent. I don’t go to NR much since the defenestration and would not likely have seen it otherwise.

    I have read other articles by Boutwell and he is sharp, but the tone of this one is different, I assume that is the influence of Anomaly, of whom I knew nothing before.

    Boutwell and Anomaly should be careful, they are making a difference in the dialogue and the personal attacks will follow.

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  54. @MarkinLA
    Roughly 11 million slaves are estimated to have come to the New World via the transatlantic trade;

    Not buying this given the types of ships that existed during the slave trade days. No more than a couple of hundred on a trip. Most would have had to be born here from slave parents. Where di this number come from?

    You can Google “slave trade statistics.”

    Lots of data, you can decide what to believe, but the consensus is pretty much along that line. Some estimates are higher. Lots of records were kept, some inferences were drawn.

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    I was basing that on the US slave population only and didn't register the "new world" in my head. Your sources say that way more slaves were shipped to the Caribbean than the US. Still it seems too many given what a wooden sailing ship can reasonably hold such that the cargo is still alive at the end of the journey. I wonder if there is any insurance fraud going on in those counts?
  55. David says:
    @K
    >>''The notions that blacks can govern themselves in a democratic system devised by whites is also be open to challenge. ''<<

    I spent three years in a completely black caribbean island country of st.kitts in the early 2000's. The island was impressively governed without the help of a single white. I never saw a single white in any administrative position. Maybe they were present i dont know, but certainly none among the top administration. Law and order was also perfect. Me and my friends (we are not black) could even walk through the down-tr0dden parts of the island without getting mugged or attacked.....even at late in the night. The economy was very good too......everybody had a car and a house and a decent education, with very few on welfare. And it was not one of those islands that depended completely on tourist income. Tourist income was only a small part of that country.

    Further to “another fred,” the Guardian in 2014 listed Basseterre as the city with the highest murder in the world based on 2011 statistics.

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/jun/24/10-world-cities-highest-murder-rates-homicides-in-pictures

    SO K is wrong about St Kitts being safe. What about well governed? If meeting out justice is any measure, no. From the St Kitts Observer Newspaper, 2016: 24 Homicides, 0 Murder Convictions.

    http://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/local-news/2016-homicides-24-murder-convictions-0/

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  56. anarchyst says:
    @Logan
    "during the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, black slaves were offered their freedom if they would only rise up against their masters."

    Not sure this is entirely correct.

    I am unfamiliar with Union efforts to encourage slaves to revolt in a Haiti-style pogrom, as opposed to attempts to get them to abandon the plantations and cease active support of the CSA war effort. In the final Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln stated, "And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages." This was added from the Preliminary EP because of concerns that the original version encouraged slave revolt and violence.

    Given that several slave states were at this time in the Union and supporting its war effort, Lincoln had every reason to avoid anything that could be portrayed as encouraging slaves to "rise up against their masters."

    In the Revolution, the British offered slaves freedom if they'd enlist in the British armed forces and fight for the King. But then the American Patriots did much the same, though I'm vague on whether they made enlistment and eventual freedom dependent on the master's permission.

    In fact, the CSA eventually implemented much the same policy, though far too late in the war to have any effect.

    Lincoln’s “Emancipation Proclamation” did not apply to slaves in the north–only to slaves in “the states of rebellion”…an interesting fact that is quite often overlooked and misinterpreted.
    As to the “3/5ths” representation, the southern states wanted slaves to be counted as “full persons” for apportionment purposes. It was those in the north who insisted that slaves be counted as “3/5ths” of a whole person, diluting the political power of the south…another fact that is quite often misrepresented.

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    Sorry, but you are yourself misrepresenting both situations.

    Sure, Lincoln's Proclamation applied only the areas in rebellion. He had no authority to emancipate slaves except as a military action taken to suppress rebellion. He did, however, work consistently to emancipate slaves in Union states by state action. By his death, the only slaves remaining anywhere in the country were a couple hundred in DE and around 50,000 in KY.

    Re: the 3/5 bit. At the time of the Convention, it was widely assumed that states would be assessed by Congress as a tax, with it left up to the states how to raise those taxes. The contributions would be assessed based on population.

    Northern states wanted taxes assessed with slaves counted at full value, and with representation allocated with slaves not counted at all.

    Southern states wanted the opposite: slaves counted fully for representation and not at all for taxation.

    The compromise was at 3/5 for both. But it had nothing at all to do with whether slaves were considered people. Even southern legal systems never pretended otherwise. Slaves were always referred to as persons. Crimes committed against them could be prosecuted. At least two white men were hanged for murder of slaves.
  57. @Priss Factor
    Also, perhaps I could shame the NR editors into showing at least a little self-respect during their long, sad goodbye. Guys, even for cucks, this is cucking.

    Good article, but it too cucks by pretending that the main problem is about IQ.

    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?

    No, the real threat to whites is muscular, vocal, and genital.

    Blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt.
    Blacks got bigger voices and this makes whites respect blacks as 'masterful'.
    Blacks got bigger dongs, and jungle fever further humiliates white men cuz of ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of white wombs.

    Those are the real reasons why whites need safe spaces from blacks.

    Men need pride of manhood for mental health, and white male pride is impossible around blacks due to BAMMAMA factor: blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

    You really have a fixation on black penises. Have you experienced them personally or just on porn sites?

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    Like it or not, the Negro Dong has become a viral meme or pop cultural trope in the West.

    These are white sorority girls.

    http://gawker.com/sorority-girl-celebrates-21st-birthday-with-racist-thre-1670470468

    I don't know them, and I didn't tell them to bake the cake. But they came up such stuff because they grew up talking graphically about sex and the negro.

    Here are white girls on the beach.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62SB_4JFLMg

    In the past, it was considered uncouth for girls to talk like this. Today, girls grow up watching porny Miley Cyrus and Beyonce videos. Already, Christina Aguilera is old hat.

    And Negro dong is one of those dominant cultural tropes. YOU can pretend that I'm just making it up. YOU are not paying attention to culture and society.

    This is Sex and City episode.

    https://youtu.be/U9RBnX1vUKc?t=2m57s

    This isn't just some fetish porn but prime time TV show seen by 100s of millions of young girls worldwide. It's gotten so that even Japanese women now seek out black men in Jamaica and Africa and have kids with them as 'new Japanese'.

    Also, the media promote this. Why? Negro is holy, so worshiping Negro prowess is next to godliness. Also, the globalist elites want to destroy white pride and power. So, by demoting white male pride by elevating black manhood, white women are jungle-feverized.

    Along with holy homomania, TV advertising promotes jungle fever in US and EU.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2jNQ9YP-0A

    As Joe Louis said, 'you can run, but you can't hide'.

    If you want to do something about the demise of white race, you need to honestly diagnose the disease and stop pretending it's all just made up.
  58. Jake says:
    @Priss Factor
    McWhorter is a smart guy, but he has lotsa white genes.

    Maybe he fears that his intelligence will be seen as 'white', and then blacks will reject mulattoes as rightful leaders and spokesmen of the black community.

    Often, black leaders are mulattoes, and their advantages are 'white'. They got white intelligence and saner white temperament.

    Likewise, if we were to count mulattoes as 'white', their advantage in sports would owe to their black genes.

    Haiti is a prime example of black revolution in which the mulattoes are slaughtered just like the whites. White Liberals celebrate that as a great thing.

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  59. Jake says:
    @Logan
    "a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years."

    The first slave was brought to the English colonies of North America in 1619. The slave trade was outlawed in the USA in 1807.

    That's 188 years, not 400.

    To be sure, the De Soto expedition of 1539 included black slaves, but that was an exploration, not settlement, and anyway it only gets us to 268 years. Plus, presumably this should be blamed on the successor states of Spain, not on USA, a successor state of the British colonies.

    Even if we date from Columbus, it only gets us to 315 years.

    The "400 years" is often touted, but darn if I can figure out where it comes from.

    Black math, which came from WASP Elite math when it was petting its beloved Numinous Negro.

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  60. @Anon
    Trump graduated from upenn which has the Wharton school. But when people refer to Wharton they are referring to the graduate school. Trump is the only one that ever refers to upend undergraduate as Wharton. Not a 100 percent lie but pretty much a false exaggeration.

    It is possible to get a bachelor’s degree from Wharton:

    https://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/academics/bs-versus-ba/

    One of my co-workers has a Wharton BS in economics from the 1980s. (I’ve seen the degree in his office, and he’s not a bull-sh*tter.)

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, It's possible. And Trump got an undergraduate degree from there (after transferring from Fordham).

    But when people refer to Wharton usually, if not always, you're talking about the grad school -the much harder of the two to get into and to graduate from.
  61. MarkinLA says:
    @another fred
    You can Google "slave trade statistics."

    Lots of data, you can decide what to believe, but the consensus is pretty much along that line. Some estimates are higher. Lots of records were kept, some inferences were drawn.

    I was basing that on the US slave population only and didn’t register the “new world” in my head. Your sources say that way more slaves were shipped to the Caribbean than the US. Still it seems too many given what a wooden sailing ship can reasonably hold such that the cargo is still alive at the end of the journey. I wonder if there is any insurance fraud going on in those counts?

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Keep in mind:

    1. The North American Slave Trade (ca.1619-1807) is for the US colonies/early America only, which is where the 400k number comes from

    2. In the rest of the Western Hemisphere, ca. prior to 1550-1889, lasted for a much longer time frame. For the Caribbean AND South American slave trade, the slaves were worked to death, and because of the living conditions, climate, etc. was much more strenuous and demanding on the labor force. Thus there were continuous ships coming in with new labor supplies (slaves) every single week, if not day, for like a near 200-300 yr time span.

    3. Compared to crossing the Sahara, transporting across the Atlantic via galley ships was far easier travel (once they figured out to supply fruits and veggies for the trip to ward off scurvy). That's one reason Columbus set sail across the Atlantic: He wanted to find an easier way to the Orient since the Turks barred the way over land (Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Steppes of Asia, etc). As the article states, more slaves died en route to the Middle East thru the treacherous crossing of the Sahara. Compared to that route, the Atlantic was a breeze.

    But yeah, if slaves are constantly being imported to the New World for nearly 300 yrs, then the ca.11 million number makes sense, especially when you take into account that the South American/Caribbean labor supply kept dying off and constantly needed to be replaced.

    , @Logan
    Some interesting facts:

    Less than 5% of slaves shipped across the Atlantic came to what is now America. The vast majority went to Brazil and the Caribbean.

    The death rate among slaves in transit has been wildly exaggerated. It averaged around 7% for the entire period of the slave trade. Much higher in earlier years. The death rate was actually quite a bit higher among crews of slave ships. The total death rate for the slave trade, including capture, marching to the coast, imprisonment in the barracoons, voyage and "seasoning" in the New World, was much, much higher, probably over 50% altogether.

    We have, BTW, remarkably good statistics on the slave trade. The 12M number isn't really that high given over 300 years to spread it out. Comes to about 40,000/year.
  62. Corvinus says:
    @Cranberries

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand
     
    Umm... did you look at your own reference?

    "Confirming all the stereotypes, the Germanic peoples (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) were at the very top of the charts."

    The only data presented in the link directly contradicts your assertion. Granted, there is high variance in white countries, with Russia scoring quite low. But on average, the included white countries have much longer time preference than the only 2 black countries on the list (Angola and Nigeria), which are both near the bottom.

    “The only data presented in the link directly contradicts your assertion. ”

    Depends on what is one’s definition of white.

    “Granted, there is high variance in white countries, with Russia scoring quite low.”

    Exactly.

    “But on average, the included white countries have much longer time preference than the only 2 black countries on the list (Angola and Nigeria), which are both near the bottom.”

    Because of cultural, not racial, differences, as the study stated.

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    • Replies: @Cranberries
    No. Your assertion is:

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

     

    Your reference contradicts this regardless of one's definition of white, unless your definition of "white" is the result of some bizarre gerrymandering that excludes the bulk of Europe.

    The rest of your response is irrelevant. Your assertion that whites have a shorter future-time orientation (on average) than blacks has nothing to do with variance or nature/nurture, and it is contradicted by your own reference. You appear to be fabricating assertions, running a quick google search for "citations", and posting the first apparently relevant result as evidence without actually reading it. Then changing the subject when it's pointed out.
  63. Corvinus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    The cucks have arrived.

    “The cucks have arrived.”

    It appears you enjoy prostituting yourself by constantly exposing that term to people who pay no attention to it. Welcome to intellectual whoredom.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    You obviously respond to the term, as I'm not the only one who applies it to you and receives faux nonchalance.
  64. @Corvinus
    "The cucks have arrived."

    It appears you enjoy prostituting yourself by constantly exposing that term to people who pay no attention to it. Welcome to intellectual whoredom.

    You obviously respond to the term, as I’m not the only one who applies it to you and receives faux nonchalance.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You obviously respond to the term, as I’m not the only one who applies it to you and receives faux nonchalance."

    I respond to mock those who believe they are engaging in effective rhetoric when employing the term. Go back to the red light district. There you may find someone who shares in your fetish for meaningless memes. You may have to pay two bits, but it will be well worth your effort.
  65. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz
    As you note McWhorter is obviously a civilised man - who writes very well btw - and anyone who bothers to read his NR article should enjoy a sophisticated piece. Of particular interest is his pointing to the recent exclusive "orality" of black communities as a possibly still potent factor in black culture and blacks' expression of intellect. Obviously illiterate Eastern European Jews came from a very different background, but the oral culture may help explain a lot of primitives around the world, maybe including Erdogan's supporters in Turkey.

    illiterate Eastern European Jews

    Bah? One thing consistent across Jewish culture has been that, for religious reasons, all male children are taught to read. This is, in fact, often a cover Jews use for why Ashkenazi Jews have higher-than-average IQs: “It’s because we learned to read, which biases the tests!” (never mind that non-Askenazi Jews also learned to read and didn’t have the higher IQs).

    Jews have verbosity and loquaciousness because they have higher rates of sociopathy, and, therefore, have needed to develop verbal doubletalk to cover for what are otherwise reprehensible actions. High verbal skill is a trait among sociopaths.

    This goes for American blacks as well: the nonsensical verbiage from them is an attempt to sociopathically disguise what they did. Almost every black defendant in court wants to take the stand and/or speak to the judge, convinced that he can “hustle” everyone into letting him go. It always ends up backfiring, however, since black IQ is so low what might work in a hustle of a black person comes across laughable and cheap to anyone with an IQ at 100 or above.

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  66. whorefinder says: • Website
    @Cranberries

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand
     
    Umm... did you look at your own reference?

    "Confirming all the stereotypes, the Germanic peoples (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) were at the very top of the charts."

    The only data presented in the link directly contradicts your assertion. Granted, there is high variance in white countries, with Russia scoring quite low. But on average, the included white countries have much longer time preference than the only 2 black countries on the list (Angola and Nigeria), which are both near the bottom.

    Covy’s a paid Soros troll and speaks in the nonsense doubletalk patois of his snowflake people. Problem for him is, he’s a very low IQ member of his tribe and so his tripe comes out very badly and makes him look very foolish.

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  67. K says:
    @another fred
    I googled "St Kitts crime". Among the several links containing warnings of rising crime was:

    "A gang war in 2008 meant that St Kitts became, statistically, the murder capital of the world when 23 people were killed out of its tiny population of just 46,000."

    and

    "According to police statistics released on Friday evening, crime in St Kitts and Nevis increased by 56.8% in 2016. The total number of reported crimes in 2016 was 1,643, compared to 1,048 in 2015, with all but two categories of crime showing increases."

    http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/headline-Crime-in-St-Kitts-Nevis-increased-by-56.8-percent-in-2016-33653.html

    I'm no expert, but it seems there is a difference of opinion. They are trying to do something about it though.

    Snip: "Prime Minister Harris said the increase is reflective of his Government’s resolve to do “whatever it takes to rid our beloved Federation of the scourge of crime which threatens the very foundation of our economy and the peaceful way of life to which our people are accustomed”."

    http://www.winnfm.com/news/local/20102-2016-crime-stats-for-st-kitts-and-nevis-still-not-released

    Just as the Bahamians learned after electing the socialist Pindling back in the 70s, crime dissuades holiday travel.

    @ David too,

    Notice i said that i spent ‘three years’ in the early 2000′s. Starting from late 2001, to 2003 and then from 2004 to late 2005. I left after 2005. In late 2004 ‘drugs’ in significant amounts started coming into the island. I should have added this to my earlier post about st.kitts, but i thought drugs wouldnt have made any difference. But it seems like they did.

    Until 2005 (when i permanently left the island) it was peaceful.

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  68. @Anonymous White Male
    You really have a fixation on black penises. Have you experienced them personally or just on porn sites?

    Like it or not, the Negro Dong has become a viral meme or pop cultural trope in the West.

    These are white sorority girls.

    http://gawker.com/sorority-girl-celebrates-21st-birthday-with-racist-thre-1670470468

    I don’t know them, and I didn’t tell them to bake the cake. But they came up such stuff because they grew up talking graphically about sex and the negro.

    Here are white girls on the beach.

    In the past, it was considered uncouth for girls to talk like this. Today, girls grow up watching porny Miley Cyrus and Beyonce videos. Already, Christina Aguilera is old hat.

    And Negro dong is one of those dominant cultural tropes. YOU can pretend that I’m just making it up. YOU are not paying attention to culture and society.

    This is Sex and City episode.

    This isn’t just some fetish porn but prime time TV show seen by 100s of millions of young girls worldwide. It’s gotten so that even Japanese women now seek out black men in Jamaica and Africa and have kids with them as ‘new Japanese’.

    Also, the media promote this. Why? Negro is holy, so worshiping Negro prowess is next to godliness. Also, the globalist elites want to destroy white pride and power. So, by demoting white male pride by elevating black manhood, white women are jungle-feverized.

    Along with holy homomania, TV advertising promotes jungle fever in US and EU.

    As Joe Louis said, ‘you can run, but you can’t hide’.

    If you want to do something about the demise of white race, you need to honestly diagnose the disease and stop pretending it’s all just made up.

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    You forgot Nikki Minaj and her influence on young post-millennial girls.

    Also keep in mind that originally the cultural acceptance of race mixing in US was largely due to the gay community's fetish for Jungle Fever (e.g. Milo Yiannopolous comes to mind). Many gays helped write songs and sitcoms. Gays are considered, like blacks, a protected species and do their best to undermine the power structure.

    It's all related.

    Possible explanation: Women tend to have lower IQs than men, therefore an average WASP woman's IQ (ca. high 90s to low 100s) will tend to intersect with a higher than average black male's IQ. In other words, these white women are going for the "best and brightest" that the brothas tend to have within their communities.

    , @Anonymous White Male
    I'm not claiming you're making it up. I'm just pointing out your fixation on black wee wees. Are you aware of it? Everytime there is a thread on black lack of intelligence, you promote what you admitted is a meme. And then you list a few anecdotal sites primarily by and for women. You want to talk about black willies? Why don't you talk about the herd mentality of women and the misery loves company recruiting that accompanies females that do something they regret? You also add the myth that blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt. And yet Whites are always the strongest weight lifters. And apparently you viewing blacks in an urban environment is your evidence that blacks kick White butt. Like in MMA? Maybe you meant to say they have a larger percentage of muscle mass? This is a ratio concerning body fat. Whites have more body fat, hence they are more buoyant. You know about how "Black Men Can't Swim"? You also shill that blacks have bigger voices and this makes Whites respect blacks as ‘masterful’. Oh, you mean that blacks are louder and noisier than Whites? Are you White? Do you respect blacks as "masterful"?
  69. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    McWhorter begins his article by asking what we have to gain by discussing the intellectual inferiority of blacks.

    What do we have to gain by discussing the historical accuracy of the narrative that makes up what is billed today as “the Holocaust?”

    What, indeed, or lose, in the present environment?

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    It depends on who is "we". I don't have anything to gain. I wasn't part of it and will not be part of another one so I also don't want to hear about it anymore.
  70. The claim that whites are in a similar inferior position towards Jews as blacks are to whites is stupid. Gentile Whites didn’t need Jews to settle and develop Europe, America or anywhere else, and certainly not to send men to the moon or build the modern world. The absence of Jewish accomplishments would have been a very minor set-back. It’s White Gentles who created modernity.

    If we really start talking race and ethnic issues, we’ll likely start talking who built what and who is really the aggressive destroyers and usurpers. Black and White is just the dreaded tip of the iceberg.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    This sentence is especially important: " It’s White Gentles who created modernity."

    That is a more broad way of making the same point I make when I stress that all of this mess was created by WASPs, not by Jews. "Modernity" was created by the war to replace Christendom, and Modernity is the very culturally suicidal state in which we find ourselves. It is Modernity that, all grown up, hates itself (I say: hates itself with guilt for having given Christendom the middle finger). It is Modernity that wishes to replace the people who created it.

    If you think you can save Modernity, you are pissing in the wind. Modernity is culturally suicidal. Western Man will save himself and the West only by returning to Christendom.
  71. K says:

    And everything i said about my experiences in st.kitts is absolutely true. I never for a single moment felt ‘unsafe’ even at any time of the night even when i was alone walking in a poor alleyway.

    Neither did any of my friends encounter anything bad. The locals were the sweetest best people i came across. The most they did was to call us as talib (we are south-asian) as it was just after 9/11 i went there but it was in jest and thats it. The only bad experience i had was weirdly from a ‘white person’ not a black person. He was either portugese or spanish i am not sure. He owned a bar in that place. But blacks never threatened us in anyway

    Seems like the arrival of illicit drugs changed everything.

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    Don't you think it's an important distinction, you being "South Asian"?
    , @dcite
    You put "white person" in quotes, as in your only bad experience was "weirdly from a 'white person.' You're only bad experience. Weirdly. Interesting. So does weirdly having an only bad experience with a black person in a predominantly white area analgous? Because we have those all the time. But it's not "weird."
    The owners of bars and other tourist traps are not going to "bother" you. They want to make money and form a fairly small percentage of the total population. Tourists do not go beyond a certain pale (no pun intended). If these islands are so safe, then they must have sent all their dangerous people to the U.S., because here aside from a few entrepreneurs, they continue the tradition of making a neighborhood high crime and dangerous.
  72. @MarkinLA
    I was basing that on the US slave population only and didn't register the "new world" in my head. Your sources say that way more slaves were shipped to the Caribbean than the US. Still it seems too many given what a wooden sailing ship can reasonably hold such that the cargo is still alive at the end of the journey. I wonder if there is any insurance fraud going on in those counts?

    Keep in mind:

    1. The North American Slave Trade (ca.1619-1807) is for the US colonies/early America only, which is where the 400k number comes from

    2. In the rest of the Western Hemisphere, ca. prior to 1550-1889, lasted for a much longer time frame. For the Caribbean AND South American slave trade, the slaves were worked to death, and because of the living conditions, climate, etc. was much more strenuous and demanding on the labor force. Thus there were continuous ships coming in with new labor supplies (slaves) every single week, if not day, for like a near 200-300 yr time span.

    3. Compared to crossing the Sahara, transporting across the Atlantic via galley ships was far easier travel (once they figured out to supply fruits and veggies for the trip to ward off scurvy). That’s one reason Columbus set sail across the Atlantic: He wanted to find an easier way to the Orient since the Turks barred the way over land (Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Steppes of Asia, etc). As the article states, more slaves died en route to the Middle East thru the treacherous crossing of the Sahara. Compared to that route, the Atlantic was a breeze.

    But yeah, if slaves are constantly being imported to the New World for nearly 300 yrs, then the ca.11 million number makes sense, especially when you take into account that the South American/Caribbean labor supply kept dying off and constantly needed to be replaced.

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    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    All the slave math seems like fantasy to me, designed solely to paint the negro victim portrait.

    e.g. "400 years" Trope - my math reveals that from Columbus arrival circa 1492AD to the present day is 525 years. But the slave trade TO North America effectively ended in 1833 with the English abolition and the trade within North America ended entirely at the close of the Civil War with the South's surrender in 1865. Further, the first African slaves brought to the North America British colonies appear to be a small group of 20 sold in Jamestown circa 1519AD and the first commercial tobacco crop wasn't until almost a century later in 1612AD (dates from PBS "Slavery and the Making of America"). Let's be extra and use 1519. 400 years later was 1919. Slavery? No. Using 1612 puts us at 2012. Slavery? Perhaps Wage Slavery against whites who are forced into lifelong labor so Government can raise its annual crop of African criminals on welfare.

    And it hardly ends with lying about the duration. As the OP notes, there are enormous issues with the numbers and with the treatment of slaves in America's South. One commenter claimed "daily" ship arrivals for over "300 years". Let's do some more math. A ship might carry 200 Africans to live delivery in the New World. So 200 x 365 = 73,000/yr arriving. 73,000 x 300 = 21,900,000. Obviously a much larger number than the 11,000,000 total brought across the Atlantic according to "experts." So let's try working backwards. 400,000 imported to the Colonies and later States total would yield: 400,000 / 314 = 1,274/yr. That's 1,274 / 200 = 6/ships per year. In Central and South America, with their 10,600,000 imports, 10,600,000 / 314 = 33,758/yr. 33,758 / 200 = 168/ships per year into ALL of Central and South America.

    In regard to treatment, given only 400,000 imports versus the total African population circa 1870, America failed miserably at the "genocide" often claimed by negro activists. America committed "reverse genocide" by converting 400,000 imports into 4,800,009 low IQ "African Americans." And the typical Southern plantation may have had a single white family with more than 20 slaves. If these slaves had it so bad, they could easily have overwhelmed their master, his wife, and children in the middle of the night when they were not guarded and completely vulnerable. Yet they did this so rarely that Nat Turners failed revolt was regarded as Historic. Why? In fact, white masters gave slaves FAR better living conditions than most native Africans enjoyed. They were NEVER eaten. Think about that. African cannibalism was so common as to be mundane. Tribes captured others and simply ate them if they couldn't sell them to stupid white slavers on the coast. Being sent to the coast was a chance at life, while being sent to the captors' villages meant you were on the menu. And being shipped to America was the equivalent of the African lottery of the day. In America, stupid whites would encourage rampant reproduction, provision of Western medical care, clean water, no famine, no cannibalism, potential literacy, etc. This was like lifelong accommodation in the Ritz Carlton compared to life in Africa for the loser captured by another tribe. Brutal? Genocide? You decide, but decide based on life as it really existed in Africa and in America circa 1519-1865.
  73. @Logan
    "a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years."

    The first slave was brought to the English colonies of North America in 1619. The slave trade was outlawed in the USA in 1807.

    That's 188 years, not 400.

    To be sure, the De Soto expedition of 1539 included black slaves, but that was an exploration, not settlement, and anyway it only gets us to 268 years. Plus, presumably this should be blamed on the successor states of Spain, not on USA, a successor state of the British colonies.

    Even if we date from Columbus, it only gets us to 315 years.

    The "400 years" is often touted, but darn if I can figure out where it comes from.

    Brazil didn’t abolish slavery til 1889. Perhaps other South American nations as well, so this (from ca.1540-1889) that gets to 350yrs.

    And, due to more and more ships constantly going to Caribbean and South America all the time because of slaves dying off at a much higher rate compared to North American slaves. Thus the labor supply in South America and Caribbean needed to be constantly replaced.

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  74. “High verbal skill is a trait among sociopaths.”

    AND it’s also a trait/marker of high IQs. Thus, the average Askenazi IQ is 110-115, the highest among white groups.

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    Ever notice that people with low verbal skill can have high verbal dexterity, and people with high verbal skill can have low verbal dexterity?

    Some people have a gift for gab. Much of what they may not make much logical sense, but it's lively and engaging.
  75. @Corvinus
    "Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation"...

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand

    "a propensity for violence..."

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.

    "and much more promiscuous sexual behavior..."

    No, not quite.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/19/young-white-men-uk-most-hated-social-group-public-attitudes

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    "all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment."

    Sources or retract.

    "For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms."

    How would you rectify your proposal to the Second Amendment?

    "Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren’t so sad."

    A number of white people elected Donald Trump, whose stupidity is legendary.

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    Article does not show the break down across racial lines. Therefore, we have to assume that blacks are indeed counted in among Gen. X stats (as there are blacks born during the 1965-1980 era, commonly known as Generation X).

    You mad at whites or something, brah?

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  76. @Priss Factor
    Like it or not, the Negro Dong has become a viral meme or pop cultural trope in the West.

    These are white sorority girls.

    http://gawker.com/sorority-girl-celebrates-21st-birthday-with-racist-thre-1670470468

    I don't know them, and I didn't tell them to bake the cake. But they came up such stuff because they grew up talking graphically about sex and the negro.

    Here are white girls on the beach.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62SB_4JFLMg

    In the past, it was considered uncouth for girls to talk like this. Today, girls grow up watching porny Miley Cyrus and Beyonce videos. Already, Christina Aguilera is old hat.

    And Negro dong is one of those dominant cultural tropes. YOU can pretend that I'm just making it up. YOU are not paying attention to culture and society.

    This is Sex and City episode.

    https://youtu.be/U9RBnX1vUKc?t=2m57s

    This isn't just some fetish porn but prime time TV show seen by 100s of millions of young girls worldwide. It's gotten so that even Japanese women now seek out black men in Jamaica and Africa and have kids with them as 'new Japanese'.

    Also, the media promote this. Why? Negro is holy, so worshiping Negro prowess is next to godliness. Also, the globalist elites want to destroy white pride and power. So, by demoting white male pride by elevating black manhood, white women are jungle-feverized.

    Along with holy homomania, TV advertising promotes jungle fever in US and EU.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2jNQ9YP-0A

    As Joe Louis said, 'you can run, but you can't hide'.

    If you want to do something about the demise of white race, you need to honestly diagnose the disease and stop pretending it's all just made up.

    You forgot Nikki Minaj and her influence on young post-millennial girls.

    Also keep in mind that originally the cultural acceptance of race mixing in US was largely due to the gay community’s fetish for Jungle Fever (e.g. Milo Yiannopolous comes to mind). Many gays helped write songs and sitcoms. Gays are considered, like blacks, a protected species and do their best to undermine the power structure.

    It’s all related.

    Possible explanation: Women tend to have lower IQs than men, therefore an average WASP woman’s IQ (ca. high 90s to low 100s) will tend to intersect with a higher than average black male’s IQ. In other words, these white women are going for the “best and brightest” that the brothas tend to have within their communities.

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    Women do not have either lower mean or median IQs. Both are essentially identical to males.

    However, men are more variable, meaning there are fewer "average" men and more high-IQ and low-IQ men than women.
  77. @Truth

    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?
     
    Do you have any idea how many times you've used this line? I would say, honestly, about 14; and that's just on the threads I have read.

    Do you have any idea how many times you’ve used this line? I would say, honestly, about 14; and that’s just on the threads I have read.

    Not quite. I sometimes go for variety and mention Gary Coleman instead.

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  78. @Open-hearted liberal
    This is a dumb article written by somebody not fit to polish McWhorter's boots and I say that as a fully-paid believer in all things HBD.

    This is a dumb article written by somebody not fit to polish McWhorter’s boots and I say that as a fully-paid believer in all things HBD.

    You seem fit to shine McWhorter’s behind.

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  79. @Priss Factor
    Also, perhaps I could shame the NR editors into showing at least a little self-respect during their long, sad goodbye. Guys, even for cucks, this is cucking.

    Good article, but it too cucks by pretending that the main problem is about IQ.

    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?

    No, the real threat to whites is muscular, vocal, and genital.

    Blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt.
    Blacks got bigger voices and this makes whites respect blacks as 'masterful'.
    Blacks got bigger dongs, and jungle fever further humiliates white men cuz of ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of white wombs.

    Those are the real reasons why whites need safe spaces from blacks.

    Men need pride of manhood for mental health, and white male pride is impossible around blacks due to BAMMAMA factor: blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

    But here’s a serious question: While they may be bigger outwardly, the fact remains that in the realm of IQ, providing for families, etc. blacks greatly lag behind whites in these areas. So then, after being jungle fevered, and realizing that the guy can’t man up and provide for her in a responsible way, what then? Because according to stats, blacks don’t stick around to take care of their offspring in significant numbers, and hooking up with white women doesn’t cure them from that social problem. That’s probably one reason you see so many white women with mulatto kids in tow, but oftentimes alone without a father figure. Where’s the guy? So they figure out after the fact that while “Sex in the City” glamorized Jungle Fever, in reality it doesn’t add up to a responsible provider for a family.

    What’s the solution for the new generation who might be tempted to go Jungle without weighing the consequences?

    Easy to curse the darkness. Much harder to light the candle and find our way to the answer.

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    It seems like Japanese women are into homeboys too... the samurai talk long with short katana!
    , @Priss Factor
    Pop Culture mentality is about the Moment and Instant Pleasure.

    Tomorrow doesn't exist.

    Pop Culture infantilizes and animalizes.

    Also, there is the State as sugar daddy or nanny.
  80. @K
    >>''The notions that blacks can govern themselves in a democratic system devised by whites is also be open to challenge. ''<<

    I spent three years in a completely black caribbean island country of st.kitts in the early 2000's. The island was impressively governed without the help of a single white. I never saw a single white in any administrative position. Maybe they were present i dont know, but certainly none among the top administration. Law and order was also perfect. Me and my friends (we are not black) could even walk through the down-tr0dden parts of the island without getting mugged or attacked.....even at late in the night. The economy was very good too......everybody had a car and a house and a decent education, with very few on welfare. And it was not one of those islands that depended completely on tourist income. Tourist income was only a small part of that country.

    I spent three years in a completely black caribbean island country of st.kitts in the early 2000′s. The island was impressively governed without the help of a single white. I never saw a single white in any administrative position.

    Then you woke up.

    Btw, if blacks are so capable, all blacks need to emulate these Kangri La Negroes.

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    ''Then you woke up''

    Exactly. I woke up to the fact they can govern themselves like first world standards.
  81. @lavoisier
    McWhorter has always seemed fairly reasonable on any number of matters. And he looks much more like a white person than a black person.

    I agree that any subject should be allowed open inquiry, no matter how offensive or hurtful it might be.

    But he approaches this issue with a certain modicum of honesty that is very refreshing. Most black writers who have even touched this issue at all are so certain that there is no such thing as race that they do not for even a microsecond consider the possibility of cognitive differences between groups of people.

    That there has to be differences between geographically separated groups of people in a complex behavior such as intelligence seems necessary if evolution by natural selection is a valid scientific theory.

    Nature does not often support our predjudices. The greatest predjudice today is the egalitarian dogma that we are all equal.

    Most black writers who have even touched this issue at all are so certain that there is no such thing as race that they do not for even a microsecond consider the possibility of cognitive differences between groups of people.

    No, all blacks believe in race and believe themselves to be more colorful, masterful, and badass.
    Among themselves, they put down other races. Even if blacks may not into details of HBD, the whole black attitude is ‘we wuz kangs’.

    Blacks always talk of racial differences when it makes them look good or superior.
    They revile Race only when data shows blacks to be lacking in some department.

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    http://www.molecularecologist.com/2017/07/nprs-muddled-take-on-scientific-racism-and-direct-to-consumer-genetics/ t
    Scientists will just tell you race is an example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_fallacy

    You see "We abstract what we consider the 'essence of an entity, and then arrange our judgments by their degree of similarity to this assumed type."

    The old philosophical question about the priority of existence or essence.
  82. @Priss Factor
    Like it or not, the Negro Dong has become a viral meme or pop cultural trope in the West.

    These are white sorority girls.

    http://gawker.com/sorority-girl-celebrates-21st-birthday-with-racist-thre-1670470468

    I don't know them, and I didn't tell them to bake the cake. But they came up such stuff because they grew up talking graphically about sex and the negro.

    Here are white girls on the beach.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62SB_4JFLMg

    In the past, it was considered uncouth for girls to talk like this. Today, girls grow up watching porny Miley Cyrus and Beyonce videos. Already, Christina Aguilera is old hat.

    And Negro dong is one of those dominant cultural tropes. YOU can pretend that I'm just making it up. YOU are not paying attention to culture and society.

    This is Sex and City episode.

    https://youtu.be/U9RBnX1vUKc?t=2m57s

    This isn't just some fetish porn but prime time TV show seen by 100s of millions of young girls worldwide. It's gotten so that even Japanese women now seek out black men in Jamaica and Africa and have kids with them as 'new Japanese'.

    Also, the media promote this. Why? Negro is holy, so worshiping Negro prowess is next to godliness. Also, the globalist elites want to destroy white pride and power. So, by demoting white male pride by elevating black manhood, white women are jungle-feverized.

    Along with holy homomania, TV advertising promotes jungle fever in US and EU.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2jNQ9YP-0A

    As Joe Louis said, 'you can run, but you can't hide'.

    If you want to do something about the demise of white race, you need to honestly diagnose the disease and stop pretending it's all just made up.

    I’m not claiming you’re making it up. I’m just pointing out your fixation on black wee wees. Are you aware of it? Everytime there is a thread on black lack of intelligence, you promote what you admitted is a meme. And then you list a few anecdotal sites primarily by and for women. You want to talk about black willies? Why don’t you talk about the herd mentality of women and the misery loves company recruiting that accompanies females that do something they regret? You also add the myth that blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt. And yet Whites are always the strongest weight lifters. And apparently you viewing blacks in an urban environment is your evidence that blacks kick White butt. Like in MMA? Maybe you meant to say they have a larger percentage of muscle mass? This is a ratio concerning body fat. Whites have more body fat, hence they are more buoyant. You know about how “Black Men Can’t Swim”? You also shill that blacks have bigger voices and this makes Whites respect blacks as ‘masterful’. Oh, you mean that blacks are louder and noisier than Whites? Are you White? Do you respect blacks as “masterful”?

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    Please don't expect a reply from Prissy Boy as you are exhorting him to man up and quit bitching about black ding dong.
    , @Priss Factor
    You also shill that blacks have bigger voices and this makes Whites respect blacks as ‘masterful’. Oh, you mean that blacks are louder and noisier than Whites? Are you White? Do you respect blacks as “masterful”?

    It doesn’t matter what I think. I have zero power in the world. What matters is global perception.

    This Jungalo-Cuck video got 500 million views. Today, ideology and creeds are irrelevant in the culture war that is about sensationalization of animalism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ekZEVeXwek

    White girls and all girls worldwide are growing up to images and sounds like that. That is presented as ‘innocent’ entertainment(as there are much raunchier stuff). At the Ariana concert in UK there were many little girls.

    Rightists bitch about Muslims, Sharia, and that nonsense, but for every person in the west who reads the Koran, a 10,000 listen to rap and music like song above. This is why even Japanese women are seeking out black men and having kids with them and raising them to beat Japanese in Japan. And PC forces in Japan are elevating mulattoes like royalty. Globalism is a worldwide tsunami that spreads Afromania all over.

    But because of hurt white male pride and because honest discussion about blacks is deemed ‘racist by PC, even rightists would rather bitch about sharia and Muslims instead. Rightists who pretend that Muslims are the main threat are really just alt-cucks. They attack Muslims for blowing up Ariana Grande concert(as 'western liberty') when what her ilk is promoting has more dire consequences for the white race.

    Pop Culture is THE culture in the West. It is more powerful than any religion, ideology, political party, etc. Indeed, the rise of homomania owes to the pop-culturalization of society where moral values are now about appeasing celebrities. Video games pop music, and blockbuster movies are even at the center of serious discourse among elites and academics. Mothers and daughters read the same 50 shades of grey novels.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ypg71Aixwc

    Now, what is the MAIN theme of Pop Culture? Other than homomania, is it not Jungle Fever and ACOWW? Who can deny this?

    So, while so many people discuss ‘serous’ ideas, the future is really being determined by the power of idols and sensations, by the siren calls of pop culture. Apollo has lost out to Dionysus and Aphrodite is now Afrodite into having mulatto babies.

    Just do the math. Millions upon millions of Africans are coming to Europe. EU culture is now pop culture. Furthermore, interracism, esp between black male and white female, is promoted by both pop culture and PC. Hollywood even plans to make next Bond 007.

    It’s not about what I think. I can agree with you 100%, and it won’t make the slightest difference.
    The fact is globalism worships the magic negro and mandingo. That crazy novel is now becoming the unspoken ideology of the West via pop culture. It says “white girl liberation means running to Negro, and white makes better accept and even praise this or else be called ‘racist’.” Even though kids are made to read TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, the pop culture that they really obsess over is about MANDINGO. PC professes Mockingbird, Pop Culture promotes Mandingo. (Mandingo is the novel that should really be included in the curriculum.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandingo_(novel)

    So, what is the bigger threat to UK? Muslims and odd cases of terrorism OR massive Afro-colonization of white wombs via idolatry and mass immivasion?

    Just think. Even if I agree with you 100%, would it make any difference to current dire trends?
  83. Talha says:

    I’m reminded specifically of the Muslim college professor in Nablus who dared suggest that…He was thrown out of a window by his students for his efforts).

    OK – so the link provided is to a Wikipedia article which points out that:
    1) The guys was a Druze – NOT a Muslim
    2) His widow repeatedly has denied the incident ever occurred

    WTF??!!

    If it’s “implacably oppressive” slavery you want, then look no further than black-on-black slavery in Africa or, better yet, Muslim-on-black slavery.

    OK – so the guy cites some dude who is an apostate with a self-published book for his numbers on African slaves, then pulls out a 400,000 number for the Trans-Atlantic slave trade out of his backside with absolutely no reference.

    Here is what necrometrics states – citing multiple different academic sources and their numbers (none of whom cite anything remotely as low as 400,000 – but I’m sure homeboy knows the super-secret true numbers because of awesome sauce):
    -Mid-East/Arab slave trade – 18.5 million over 12 centuries
    -Atlantic slave trade – 16 million over 4 centuries

    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst

    Then he has the gall to cite Ronald Segal – a man who is exceptional in his scholarship on the subject and contradict him in the same article on two whole subjects:
    1) That plantation slavery was better than slavery in the Muslim world:
    “The relationship between slave and master in Islam is a very different relationship from that between the American plantation laborer and owner. It was a much more personalized relationship and relatively benevolent. Everything here is relative — being a slave is being a slave and it shouldn’t be romanticized….Why could Islamic slaves assimilate into the surrounding society so more easily than American blacks could? Here we get to a further dimension of the difference between the two trades. Slavery in the West, because it was so cruel and had become so disreputable, required some kind of excuse or extenuation — the idea of biological discrimination. Essentially, the concept of race developed and was popularized.”

    http://www.salon.com/2001/04/06/segal/

    “The nature of the Atlantic trade and therefore the survival of racism in the West has been one of segregation. There wasn’t this separation in Islam. Whites didn’t push blacks off the pavement. They didn’t forbid restaurants to serve them. I don’t think that there’s any disputing that slavery was a more benevolent institution in Islam than it was in the West.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml

    2) Because Islam explicitly prohibits castration, but many Muslim elites demanded them, the castration was mostly done by non-Muslims outside of Muslm territory:
    “Mutilation was forbidden by Muslim law, and a specific ban on castration was invested with the authority of the Prophet by a hadith: ‘Whoever cuts off the nose of a slave, his nose will be cut off; and whoever castrates a slave, him also shall we castrate.’…The letter, if not spirit, of the law was long observed by leaving to those beyond the territorial limits of Islam the act of castration and then importing the product. In the Middle Ages, Prague and Verdun became castration centers for the supply of European eunuchs; Kharazon, near the Caspian Sea, a center for the supply of central Asian ones. Further circumventions, on Islamic territory, were pursued on the basis that the operations were conducted by non-Muslims. In the tenth-century Islamic Spain, Jewish merchants reportedly performed the operation. In the nineteenth century, Christian monks ran a castration center at their monastery of Deir al-Jandala near Abu Tig, a small town in Upper Egypt.”
    Islam’s Black Slaves: The Other Black Diaspora by Ronald Segal

    Again – WTF??!!

    What were sub-Sarahan blacks reading before that?

    The Qur’an, mathematics, and astronomy:

    http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/timbuktu-manuscripts-mali

    “Timbuktu was a center of Islamic scholarship under several African empires, home to a 25,000-student university and other madrasahs that served as wellsprings for the spread of Islam throughout Africa from the 13th to 16th centuries. Sacred Muslim texts, in bound editions, were carried great distances to Timbuktu for the use of eminent scholars from Cairo, Baghdad, Persia, and elsewhere who were in residence at the city. The great teachings of Islam, from astronomy and mathematics to medicine and law, were collected and produced here in several hundred thousand manuscripts. Many of them remain, though in precarious condition, to form a priceless written record of African history.”

    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/world-heritage/timbuktu/

    Timbuktu and Sene-Gambia are Sub-Saharan Africa – again WTF??!!

    This kind of shoddy research calls into question the authors other claims.

    Yeah homeboy – Blacks should be getting in line to kiss your backside for how awesomeness it was to be dragged off in chains on a slave ship. I mean, I can’t stand it when Blacks blame all their ills on the ‘Devil White-man’ – but this Black-man-was-lucky-to-get-enslaved-by-White-man is utter nonsense.

    Peace.

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    Hye Talha. You are a Pakistani. The average IQ in Pakistan is 84. You're an Asian. You have nothing to do with the West.
  84. @dearieme
    "P.S., I would like to suggest that we encourage Jews to breed with blacks. ... I have hope that Jewish IQ can be used to raise black IQ to right around the white mean."

    At last, an actionable suggestion.

    This is already happening. https://nypost.com/2017/06/17/sperminator-has-sired-dozens-of-kids-and-there-could-be-more-coming/

    John McWhorter is married to (((Martha Sparks))). Jews have high intermarriage rates with black/Asians.

    The race conversation needs to be shifted.

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  85. @Talha

    I’m reminded specifically of the Muslim college professor in Nablus who dared suggest that...He was thrown out of a window by his students for his efforts).
     
    OK - so the link provided is to a Wikipedia article which points out that:
    1) The guys was a Druze - NOT a Muslim
    2) His widow repeatedly has denied the incident ever occurred

    WTF??!!


    If it’s “implacably oppressive” slavery you want, then look no further than black-on-black slavery in Africa or, better yet, Muslim-on-black slavery.
     
    OK - so the guy cites some dude who is an apostate with a self-published book for his numbers on African slaves, then pulls out a 400,000 number for the Trans-Atlantic slave trade out of his backside with absolutely no reference.

    Here is what necrometrics states - citing multiple different academic sources and their numbers (none of whom cite anything remotely as low as 400,000 - but I'm sure homeboy knows the super-secret true numbers because of awesome sauce):
    -Mid-East/Arab slave trade - 18.5 million over 12 centuries
    -Atlantic slave trade - 16 million over 4 centuries
    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm#20worst

    Then he has the gall to cite Ronald Segal - a man who is exceptional in his scholarship on the subject and contradict him in the same article on two whole subjects:
    1) That plantation slavery was better than slavery in the Muslim world:
    "The relationship between slave and master in Islam is a very different relationship from that between the American plantation laborer and owner. It was a much more personalized relationship and relatively benevolent. Everything here is relative — being a slave is being a slave and it shouldn’t be romanticized....Why could Islamic slaves assimilate into the surrounding society so more easily than American blacks could? Here we get to a further dimension of the difference between the two trades. Slavery in the West, because it was so cruel and had become so disreputable, required some kind of excuse or extenuation — the idea of biological discrimination. Essentially, the concept of race developed and was popularized."
    http://www.salon.com/2001/04/06/segal/

    "The nature of the Atlantic trade and therefore the survival of racism in the West has been one of segregation. There wasn't this separation in Islam. Whites didn't push blacks off the pavement. They didn't forbid restaurants to serve them. I don't think that there's any disputing that slavery was a more benevolent institution in Islam than it was in the West."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml

    2) Because Islam explicitly prohibits castration, but many Muslim elites demanded them, the castration was mostly done by non-Muslims outside of Muslm territory:
    "Mutilation was forbidden by Muslim law, and a specific ban on castration was invested with the authority of the Prophet by a hadith: 'Whoever cuts off the nose of a slave, his nose will be cut off; and whoever castrates a slave, him also shall we castrate.'...The letter, if not spirit, of the law was long observed by leaving to those beyond the territorial limits of Islam the act of castration and then importing the product. In the Middle Ages, Prague and Verdun became castration centers for the supply of European eunuchs; Kharazon, near the Caspian Sea, a center for the supply of central Asian ones. Further circumventions, on Islamic territory, were pursued on the basis that the operations were conducted by non-Muslims. In the tenth-century Islamic Spain, Jewish merchants reportedly performed the operation. In the nineteenth century, Christian monks ran a castration center at their monastery of Deir al-Jandala near Abu Tig, a small town in Upper Egypt."
    Islam's Black Slaves: The Other Black Diaspora by Ronald Segal

    Again - WTF??!!


    What were sub-Sarahan blacks reading before that?
     
    The Qur'an, mathematics, and astronomy:
    http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/timbuktu-manuscripts-mali

    "Timbuktu was a center of Islamic scholarship under several African empires, home to a 25,000-student university and other madrasahs that served as wellsprings for the spread of Islam throughout Africa from the 13th to 16th centuries. Sacred Muslim texts, in bound editions, were carried great distances to Timbuktu for the use of eminent scholars from Cairo, Baghdad, Persia, and elsewhere who were in residence at the city. The great teachings of Islam, from astronomy and mathematics to medicine and law, were collected and produced here in several hundred thousand manuscripts. Many of them remain, though in precarious condition, to form a priceless written record of African history."
    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/world-heritage/timbuktu/

    Timbuktu and Sene-Gambia are Sub-Saharan Africa - again WTF??!!

    This kind of shoddy research calls into question the authors other claims.

    Yeah homeboy - Blacks should be getting in line to kiss your backside for how awesomeness it was to be dragged off in chains on a slave ship. I mean, I can't stand it when Blacks blame all their ills on the 'Devil White-man' - but this Black-man-was-lucky-to-get-enslaved-by-White-man is utter nonsense.

    Peace.

    Hye Talha. You are a Pakistani. The average IQ in Pakistan is 84. You’re an Asian. You have nothing to do with the West.

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    Hi Da Hen,

    Thanks for the reminder. Waiting for my federal notice that my citizenship has been revoked and that I have to leave. Write your Congressman and Senator. They write the laws, I don't remember? Tell them we have to ship all non-Whites (whatever that eventually gets worked out to) back to countries of origin. Please be specific as to why - they will want a reason. Mention IQ - a lot. Like, a lot.

    Peace.

    , @Logan
    Ahh, classic misunderstanding of how statistics work.

    The average for a group, whether median or mean, tells us NOTHING AT ALL about any member of that group.

    Talha may be a super-genius. The average IQ for his country of origin simply does not provide us with any information about his IQ.

    Also, in America the term "Asian" generally refers to East Asians like Chinese, not South Asians like Pakistanis, who have even less in common with Chinese than they do with the Irish.

    So, what's your definition of "white?" Iranians, Armenians, Kurds, Afghans? All live in Asia.

    Actually, I am sincerely curious. A lot of people on this website are obsessed, perhaps justifiably, with the decline of the white race. Seems like the first requisite for determining whether this is occurring would be defining who is and is not white. I have seen some of the oddest claims here. Among those some have pronounced, as if it were common knowledge, to be "not white" include: Russians, Italians, Jews, Greeks and Spanish. Even Irish!

    So what's your definition of "white?" Who's in and who's out?

    The definition of Europe and Asia as different continents is entirely a cultural and racial one, BTW, since there is no logical geographic boundary. There is only the continent of Eurasia.

  86. Talha says:
    @attilathehen
    Hye Talha. You are a Pakistani. The average IQ in Pakistan is 84. You're an Asian. You have nothing to do with the West.

    Hi Da Hen,

    Thanks for the reminder. Waiting for my federal notice that my citizenship has been revoked and that I have to leave. Write your Congressman and Senator. They write the laws, I don’t remember? Tell them we have to ship all non-Whites (whatever that eventually gets worked out to) back to countries of origin. Please be specific as to why – they will want a reason. Mention IQ – a lot. Like, a lot.

    Peace.

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    Hi Da Hen,

    Thanks for the reminder. Waiting for my federal notice that my citizenship has been revoked and that I have to leave. Write your Congressman and Senator. They write the laws, I don’t remember? Tell them we have to ship all non-Whites (whatever that eventually gets worked out to) back to countries of origin. Please be specific as to why – they will want a reason. Mention IQ – a lot. Like, a lot.
     
    Well, given the nature of the Internet, I can't really be sure whether Talha is actually a devout Pakistani-American Muslim married to a American convert of mostly Swedish family background.

    But I can say he's one of our most wittiest commenters...
    , @attilathehen
    Hi Talha. It's a coming. The Donald is doing very well on deporting people. But you can still send greetings to us from Pakistan.
  87. Franco says:

    “His third reason is that some believe that honesty about IQ will help us celebrate racial differences. That is, presumably, some races are really smart, and others are good at other things, like digging ditches or dribbling basketballs or what have you. Like that would go over well.”

    I don’t understand the big deal over this, the US military does this all the time with its ASVAB test. The score you get correlates to what jobs your qualified to preform.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Well after going all in on the stupidity from economists that we can let the manufacturing jobs go overseas because we will have the knowledge jobs, we would have to face the reality that a whole segment of society will never be gainfully employed. So it is better to continue to believe that everybody in the US is suited to those knowledge jobs.
  88. Sean says:
    @Priss Factor
    Most black writers who have even touched this issue at all are so certain that there is no such thing as race that they do not for even a microsecond consider the possibility of cognitive differences between groups of people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9_AVEcqbgE


    No, all blacks believe in race and believe themselves to be more colorful, masterful, and badass.
    Among themselves, they put down other races. Even if blacks may not into details of HBD, the whole black attitude is 'we wuz kangs'.


    Blacks always talk of racial differences when it makes them look good or superior.
    They revile Race only when data shows blacks to be lacking in some department.

    http://www.molecularecologist.com/2017/07/nprs-muddled-take-on-scientific-racism-and-direct-to-consumer-genetics/ t
    Scientists will just tell you race is an example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_fallacy

    You see “We abstract what we consider the ‘essence of an entity, and then arrange our judgments by their degree of similarity to this assumed type.”

    The old philosophical question about the priority of existence or essence.

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  89. @Corvinus
    "The only data presented in the link directly contradicts your assertion. "

    Depends on what is one’s definition of white.

    "Granted, there is high variance in white countries, with Russia scoring quite low."

    Exactly.

    "But on average, the included white countries have much longer time preference than the only 2 black countries on the list (Angola and Nigeria), which are both near the bottom."

    Because of cultural, not racial, differences, as the study stated.

    No. Your assertion is:

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    Your reference contradicts this regardless of one’s definition of white, unless your definition of “white” is the result of some bizarre gerrymandering that excludes the bulk of Europe.

    The rest of your response is irrelevant. Your assertion that whites have a shorter future-time orientation (on average) than blacks has nothing to do with variance or nature/nurture, and it is contradicted by your own reference. You appear to be fabricating assertions, running a quick google search for “citations”, and posting the first apparently relevant result as evidence without actually reading it. Then changing the subject when it’s pointed out.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Your reference contradicts this regardless of one’s definition of white, unless your definition of “white” is the result of some bizarre gerrymandering that excludes the bulk of Europe."

    There are 27 white countries. There are 28 non-white countries. Figure it out.

    "The rest of your response is irrelevant. Your assertion that whites have a shorter future-time orientation (on average) than blacks has nothing to do with variance or nature/nurture, and it is contradicted by your own reference."

    You are other than accurate. The author clearly stated "We see the usual correlates. Countries that are richer; more Germanic; less corrupt; more intelligent – they all have more future time orientation. In countries that have a Communist legacy future time orientations are perhaps lower than we might expect them to be otherwise".
  90. Jake says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    The claim that whites are in a similar inferior position towards Jews as blacks are to whites is stupid. Gentile Whites didn't need Jews to settle and develop Europe, America or anywhere else, and certainly not to send men to the moon or build the modern world. The absence of Jewish accomplishments would have been a very minor set-back. It's White Gentles who created modernity.

    If we really start talking race and ethnic issues, we'll likely start talking who built what and who is really the aggressive destroyers and usurpers. Black and White is just the dreaded tip of the iceberg.

    This sentence is especially important: ” It’s White Gentles who created modernity.”

    That is a more broad way of making the same point I make when I stress that all of this mess was created by WASPs, not by Jews. “Modernity” was created by the war to replace Christendom, and Modernity is the very culturally suicidal state in which we find ourselves. It is Modernity that, all grown up, hates itself (I say: hates itself with guilt for having given Christendom the middle finger). It is Modernity that wishes to replace the people who created it.

    If you think you can save Modernity, you are pissing in the wind. Modernity is culturally suicidal. Western Man will save himself and the West only by returning to Christendom.

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    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    I'm pretty ambivalent about religion. However, if Christianity is your issue, the Church left Whites and Christianity, not the other way around. Why should I attend a church that puts everyone and everything above its own flock? If the major denominations don't give outright support for aggressive war in the ME, they don't do much in opposition. The churches in my community are obsessed with sending people to Africa, Haiti, Central America, third-world areas of Asia, doing one-way "interfaith dialogues," bringing in an unlimited stream of immigrants to fill the pews, and helping minorities in other communities, while looking down on the unfortunate in their own community. I don't think that is uncommon at all. What good is a church that at best ignores its own community, and works to destroy it at worst? The problem is with the church, not the flock. I'd also say that it would be best for Whites and Europeans to have a religion that is not rooted in the ME, or that has origins in the religion of a hostile competing religion. No matter what Christ's actual message was, Christianity will always be subject to hijacking.

    By modernity, I obviously mean more than religion and philosophy. It took real genius that was sustained over a long period of time to create modern science and technology, as well as the White Gentile societies in North America, Europe and elsewhere that largely created and fed off the advances. Whites have done fine, and the absence of Jewish achievements would have been little more than a bump in the road. So, no, I don't buy the Jewish supremacy stuff. Smarter on average means little for a tiny group of people without the numbers or different strata of group members needed to run and defend a society, as long as they are kept in their place.

    I also agree that Gentile elites in Europe and America are a big part of the problem. But I don't see them as vicious and purposely destructive, as many Jews obviously are. Gentile elites seem to be hostage to their own stupid and self-serving ideologies, and too comfortable and concerned with image to do a thing about the situation. That's my view from the bottom, at least. They don't care, and will see their lower-caste co-ethnics ground to dust to prove that they are virtuous, but that's not the same as destroying out of sheer hatred.
  91. MarkinLA says:
    @Jett Rucker

    McWhorter begins his article by asking what we have to gain by discussing the intellectual inferiority of blacks.
     
    What do we have to gain by discussing the historical accuracy of the narrative that makes up what is billed today as "the Holocaust?"

    What, indeed, or lose, in the present environment?

    It depends on who is “we”. I don’t have anything to gain. I wasn’t part of it and will not be part of another one so I also don’t want to hear about it anymore.

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  92. Ron Unz says:
    @Talha
    Hi Da Hen,

    Thanks for the reminder. Waiting for my federal notice that my citizenship has been revoked and that I have to leave. Write your Congressman and Senator. They write the laws, I don't remember? Tell them we have to ship all non-Whites (whatever that eventually gets worked out to) back to countries of origin. Please be specific as to why - they will want a reason. Mention IQ - a lot. Like, a lot.

    Peace.

    Hi Da Hen,

    Thanks for the reminder. Waiting for my federal notice that my citizenship has been revoked and that I have to leave. Write your Congressman and Senator. They write the laws, I don’t remember? Tell them we have to ship all non-Whites (whatever that eventually gets worked out to) back to countries of origin. Please be specific as to why – they will want a reason. Mention IQ – a lot. Like, a lot.

    Well, given the nature of the Internet, I can’t really be sure whether Talha is actually a devout Pakistani-American Muslim married to a American convert of mostly Swedish family background.

    But I can say he’s one of our most wittiest commenters…

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    But I can say he’s one of our most wittiest commenters…
     
    Nah - can't be Mr. Unz - I only have an average 84 IQ remember? And probably lying about the wife - you can't trust us and our taqiyyah - she's probably my low-IQ cousin from Rawalpindi.

    Peace - again much respect for the awesome site and constant enhancements - from one Web IT guy to another!
  93. You should have stuck to all grievances white motif, for there wasn’t any need to cite the Indian or Chinese miseries, whose presence in America you seem to abhor and secondly, if the snarky wit is good for the goose than it ought to be good for the gender… if Africa is the home continent of Blacks then Europe is the home continent of ______. Your gist is on the mark regarding the inability of blacks to match whites in the IQ game but what is it that you want to achieve by bringing up their shortcomings? Do you propose that 40,000,000 souls just pack up and vanish because you score higher than them? McWborter may be wrong to bring up the bogey of violence but are you certain that you want risk it? Talk is cheap!

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  94. MarkinLA says:
    @Franco
    "His third reason is that some believe that honesty about IQ will help us celebrate racial differences. That is, presumably, some races are really smart, and others are good at other things, like digging ditches or dribbling basketballs or what have you. Like that would go over well."


    I don't understand the big deal over this, the US military does this all the time with its ASVAB test. The score you get correlates to what jobs your qualified to preform.

    Well after going all in on the stupidity from economists that we can let the manufacturing jobs go overseas because we will have the knowledge jobs, we would have to face the reality that a whole segment of society will never be gainfully employed. So it is better to continue to believe that everybody in the US is suited to those knowledge jobs.

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  95. Talha says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hi Da Hen,

    Thanks for the reminder. Waiting for my federal notice that my citizenship has been revoked and that I have to leave. Write your Congressman and Senator. They write the laws, I don’t remember? Tell them we have to ship all non-Whites (whatever that eventually gets worked out to) back to countries of origin. Please be specific as to why – they will want a reason. Mention IQ – a lot. Like, a lot.
     
    Well, given the nature of the Internet, I can't really be sure whether Talha is actually a devout Pakistani-American Muslim married to a American convert of mostly Swedish family background.

    But I can say he's one of our most wittiest commenters...

    But I can say he’s one of our most wittiest commenters…

    Nah – can’t be Mr. Unz – I only have an average 84 IQ remember? And probably lying about the wife – you can’t trust us and our taqiyyah – she’s probably my low-IQ cousin from Rawalpindi.

    Peace – again much respect for the awesome site and constant enhancements – from one Web IT guy to another!

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    • Replies: @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Mr. Unz? Why don't you just call him Chacha Unz the way you are groveling on the virtual floor? The man gave you a complimen so enjoy it without being verbose, lest, he really starts to suspect you are from some uncivilized, lawless place called Rawalpindi, where fellow traveller Osama bin Laden was hiding from the long arm of Uncle Sam...
  96. Logan says:
    @anarchyst
    Lincoln's "Emancipation Proclamation" did not apply to slaves in the north--only to slaves in "the states of rebellion"...an interesting fact that is quite often overlooked and misinterpreted.
    As to the "3/5ths" representation, the southern states wanted slaves to be counted as "full persons" for apportionment purposes. It was those in the north who insisted that slaves be counted as "3/5ths" of a whole person, diluting the political power of the south...another fact that is quite often misrepresented.

    Sorry, but you are yourself misrepresenting both situations.

    Sure, Lincoln’s Proclamation applied only the areas in rebellion. He had no authority to emancipate slaves except as a military action taken to suppress rebellion. He did, however, work consistently to emancipate slaves in Union states by state action. By his death, the only slaves remaining anywhere in the country were a couple hundred in DE and around 50,000 in KY.

    Re: the 3/5 bit. At the time of the Convention, it was widely assumed that states would be assessed by Congress as a tax, with it left up to the states how to raise those taxes. The contributions would be assessed based on population.

    Northern states wanted taxes assessed with slaves counted at full value, and with representation allocated with slaves not counted at all.

    Southern states wanted the opposite: slaves counted fully for representation and not at all for taxation.

    The compromise was at 3/5 for both. But it had nothing at all to do with whether slaves were considered people. Even southern legal systems never pretended otherwise. Slaves were always referred to as persons. Crimes committed against them could be prosecuted. At least two white men were hanged for murder of slaves.

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    you sir, are incorrect. You are parroting what you learned in elementary school. Read the writings on the subject and you will come to the correct conclusion...
  97. @jilles dykstra
    He did not know Africa before Europeans ruined all advanced kingdoms.
    Jan Vansina, ‘Kingdoms of the savanna, A history of Central African states until the European occupation’, London 1966

    You forgot the subtitle “We WUZ Kangs”

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  98. Logan says:
    @MarkinLA
    I was basing that on the US slave population only and didn't register the "new world" in my head. Your sources say that way more slaves were shipped to the Caribbean than the US. Still it seems too many given what a wooden sailing ship can reasonably hold such that the cargo is still alive at the end of the journey. I wonder if there is any insurance fraud going on in those counts?

    Some interesting facts:

    Less than 5% of slaves shipped across the Atlantic came to what is now America. The vast majority went to Brazil and the Caribbean.

    The death rate among slaves in transit has been wildly exaggerated. It averaged around 7% for the entire period of the slave trade. Much higher in earlier years. The death rate was actually quite a bit higher among crews of slave ships. The total death rate for the slave trade, including capture, marching to the coast, imprisonment in the barracoons, voyage and “seasoning” in the New World, was much, much higher, probably over 50% altogether.

    We have, BTW, remarkably good statistics on the slave trade. The 12M number isn’t really that high given over 300 years to spread it out. Comes to about 40,000/year.

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    • Replies: @Truth

    The death rate among slaves in transit has been wildly exaggerated. It averaged around 7% for the entire period of the slave trade.
     
    You were there?
  99. Logan says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    You forgot Nikki Minaj and her influence on young post-millennial girls.

    Also keep in mind that originally the cultural acceptance of race mixing in US was largely due to the gay community's fetish for Jungle Fever (e.g. Milo Yiannopolous comes to mind). Many gays helped write songs and sitcoms. Gays are considered, like blacks, a protected species and do their best to undermine the power structure.

    It's all related.

    Possible explanation: Women tend to have lower IQs than men, therefore an average WASP woman's IQ (ca. high 90s to low 100s) will tend to intersect with a higher than average black male's IQ. In other words, these white women are going for the "best and brightest" that the brothas tend to have within their communities.

    Women do not have either lower mean or median IQs. Both are essentially identical to males.

    However, men are more variable, meaning there are fewer “average” men and more high-IQ and low-IQ men than women.

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    "However, men are more variable, meaning there are fewer “average” men and more high-IQ and low-IQ men than women."

    Exactly. So the more high-IQ brothas with IQs circa high 90's to low 100's will go for "average" women of mean IQs of 100. Which tend to leave white men out in the cold.

    Thank you for making the point.

    Have a good day.
  100. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    But here's a serious question: While they may be bigger outwardly, the fact remains that in the realm of IQ, providing for families, etc. blacks greatly lag behind whites in these areas. So then, after being jungle fevered, and realizing that the guy can't man up and provide for her in a responsible way, what then? Because according to stats, blacks don't stick around to take care of their offspring in significant numbers, and hooking up with white women doesn't cure them from that social problem. That's probably one reason you see so many white women with mulatto kids in tow, but oftentimes alone without a father figure. Where's the guy? So they figure out after the fact that while "Sex in the City" glamorized Jungle Fever, in reality it doesn't add up to a responsible provider for a family.

    What's the solution for the new generation who might be tempted to go Jungle without weighing the consequences?

    Easy to curse the darkness. Much harder to light the candle and find our way to the answer.

    It seems like Japanese women are into homeboys too… the samurai talk long with short katana!

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    That's what I'm saying.

    The main threat is not Scud missiles but Pud missiles.

    Look at the video below. The West(and maybe the imitative East) will die because stronger black guys will beat up white buys(who will become wussy-cucked) and then have sex with white girls into rap and jungle fever.
    White guys will lose threefold. They will lose manhood to blacks and then their women to blacks and then their children as well because increasing numbers of white girls will use their wombs to create black kids for black guys. Lose manhood, then lose the women, and then lose the children you could have had with the women.
    It's no wonder so many white guys are turning to suicide. Losing jobs to globalism is one thing. But to lose manhood and women to Negroes?

    The black thugs in the video... I'll bet they all humped some white girl and got her pregnant with a mulatto.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-8YckG_PU4
  101. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    You should have stuck to all grievances white motif, for there wasn't any need to cite the Indian or Chinese miseries, whose presence in America you seem to abhor and secondly, if the snarky wit is good for the goose than it ought to be good for the gender... if Africa is the home continent of Blacks then Europe is the home continent of ______. Your gist is on the mark regarding the inability of blacks to match whites in the IQ game but what is it that you want to achieve by bringing up their shortcomings? Do you propose that 40,000,000 souls just pack up and vanish because you score higher than them? McWborter may be wrong to bring up the bogey of violence but are you certain that you want risk it? Talk is cheap!

    Gander…

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  102. @Anonymous White Male
    I'm not claiming you're making it up. I'm just pointing out your fixation on black wee wees. Are you aware of it? Everytime there is a thread on black lack of intelligence, you promote what you admitted is a meme. And then you list a few anecdotal sites primarily by and for women. You want to talk about black willies? Why don't you talk about the herd mentality of women and the misery loves company recruiting that accompanies females that do something they regret? You also add the myth that blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt. And yet Whites are always the strongest weight lifters. And apparently you viewing blacks in an urban environment is your evidence that blacks kick White butt. Like in MMA? Maybe you meant to say they have a larger percentage of muscle mass? This is a ratio concerning body fat. Whites have more body fat, hence they are more buoyant. You know about how "Black Men Can't Swim"? You also shill that blacks have bigger voices and this makes Whites respect blacks as ‘masterful’. Oh, you mean that blacks are louder and noisier than Whites? Are you White? Do you respect blacks as "masterful"?

    Please don’t expect a reply from Prissy Boy as you are exhorting him to man up and quit bitching about black ding dong.

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  103. @Talha

    But I can say he’s one of our most wittiest commenters…
     
    Nah - can't be Mr. Unz - I only have an average 84 IQ remember? And probably lying about the wife - you can't trust us and our taqiyyah - she's probably my low-IQ cousin from Rawalpindi.

    Peace - again much respect for the awesome site and constant enhancements - from one Web IT guy to another!

    Mr. Unz? Why don’t you just call him Chacha Unz the way you are groveling on the virtual floor? The man gave you a complimen so enjoy it without being verbose, lest, he really starts to suspect you are from some uncivilized, lawless place called Rawalpindi, where fellow traveller Osama bin Laden was hiding from the long arm of Uncle Sam…

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  104. LauraMR says:

    Similar stats can be produced about gender IQ differences yet it is feminism rather than gender IQ what rots whatever it touches. Take that out (feminism) and gender IQ differences matter nothing in real life. Racial obsessions speak more of closet “jungle fever” than anything else.

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  105. Talha says:

    Chacha Unz

    LOL! good one!

    Though, in all honesty, it’s not the first time I’ve called him “Mr. Unz” – it’s not “grovelling”, it’s called respect for one’s host. In fact, I address all the writers as; Mr. Ghiraldi, Mr. Karlin (even though he’s probably younger than me), Mr. Dinh.

    We’re all eating at the banquet he’s going through the trouble of throwing – a modicum of respect to the hand that feeds one is baseline civilized behavior expected even from canines. Even disagreeing with the host should be done politely.

    fellow traveller Osama bin Laden

    You mean Chachoo Bin Laden?

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {... it’s called respect for one’s host. }

    Agree.

    I have called him both 'Ron' and 'Mr. Unz', depending on the circumstance: what's the big deal.

    President Trump called girly-boy Macron "Mr. President": was Trump, quote, 'groveling'?. Of course not: Macron was hosting Trump in France.
    When you are visiting someone in their place, the least you can do is show proper respect.

  106. @Talha
    Hi Da Hen,

    Thanks for the reminder. Waiting for my federal notice that my citizenship has been revoked and that I have to leave. Write your Congressman and Senator. They write the laws, I don't remember? Tell them we have to ship all non-Whites (whatever that eventually gets worked out to) back to countries of origin. Please be specific as to why - they will want a reason. Mention IQ - a lot. Like, a lot.

    Peace.

    Hi Talha. It’s a coming. The Donald is doing very well on deporting people. But you can still send greetings to us from Pakistan.

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  107. @Priss Factor
    Also, perhaps I could shame the NR editors into showing at least a little self-respect during their long, sad goodbye. Guys, even for cucks, this is cucking.

    Good article, but it too cucks by pretending that the main problem is about IQ.

    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?

    No, the real threat to whites is muscular, vocal, and genital.

    Blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt.
    Blacks got bigger voices and this makes whites respect blacks as 'masterful'.
    Blacks got bigger dongs, and jungle fever further humiliates white men cuz of ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of white wombs.

    Those are the real reasons why whites need safe spaces from blacks.

    Men need pride of manhood for mental health, and white male pride is impossible around blacks due to BAMMAMA factor: blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

    “No, the real threat to whites is muscular, vocal, and genital.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love how left-wingers are o.k. with stereotypes if it (supposedly) compliments colored people. Of course if blacks are so superior why can’t they throw off the so-called oppression? How did they get conquered, colonized and oppressed in the first place?

    “Blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt.”

    So I guess that explains why progressives support gun control then, huh?

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  108. @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    It seems like Japanese women are into homeboys too... the samurai talk long with short katana!

    That’s what I’m saying.

    The main threat is not Scud missiles but Pud missiles.

    Look at the video below. The West(and maybe the imitative East) will die because stronger black guys will beat up white buys(who will become wussy-cucked) and then have sex with white girls into rap and jungle fever.
    White guys will lose threefold. They will lose manhood to blacks and then their women to blacks and then their children as well because increasing numbers of white girls will use their wombs to create black kids for black guys. Lose manhood, then lose the women, and then lose the children you could have had with the women.
    It’s no wonder so many white guys are turning to suicide. Losing jobs to globalism is one thing. But to lose manhood and women to Negroes?

    The black thugs in the video… I’ll bet they all humped some white girl and got her pregnant with a mulatto.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-8YckG_PU4

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  109. @Priss Factor
    So White men are intimidated by black men? Speak for yourself.

    Are you kidding me?

    I grew up in an integrated city and saw all kind of shi*.

    I understand what White Flight is all about.

    I know what Howard Stern means when he says even Liberal Jews finally decided on Jew Flew.

    Look at crime stats.

    Look at Colin Flaherty videos.

    Also, it's getting worse than ever because Section 8 is sending blacks into all sorts of white communities where black kids win in high school sports and hump white ho's. No wonder so many white guys in small towns are demoralized. Not only did they lose their jobs to globalism but they are losing their girls to Negroes. I've seen this in my travel through small town in Ohio, New York, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.
    Colleges now farm white girls to hand over on platter to Negro athletes.

    And here is firsthand account of what Negroes to do schools. They whup white boys and hump white girls IN THE SCHOOL! And these white girls grew up without fathers or with cuck fathers or trash fathers, and their culture is Trash Hip Hop and slut skank culture:

    https://www.amren.com/features/2016/12/blacks-changed-school/

    This is happening all around, but YOU don't know or care because you hang around gentrified upscale posh areas with Nice Negroes like John McWhorter.

    You really need to get out more and get to know actual people instead of the porn in your computer. Is there a senior center in your neighborhood?

    This goes to show how out-of-date you are. There is no more 'mainstream vs porn' dichotomy.

    When I was young, it was still pre-VCR. If people sought porn, it was in downtown red light districts. And then, there was home video, and even kids might now see porn because some parents might have some. This is how I got to see my first porn at some kid's house of Ron Jeremy sucking his own dic*.

    Still, you had to be an adult to rent or buy porn. Also, porn back then was mostly hairy Jewish guys humping Catholic girls. This was the case when I was first working in a video shop.

    And then, things began to change, esp with the internet. Suddenly, any savvy kid could access porn of all kinds.

    More importantly, the barrier between porn and mainstream culture crumbled. While there was sexy mainstream entertainment, there was a clear dividing line between porn and mainstream. Also, there were rules as to what could be shown in the home.

    Fast Forward to today, and Porniness is Mainstream Culture.
    madonna, lady gaga, miley cyrus, beyonce, rihanna(though Umbrella is pretty sensational), and etc all peddle porny music and videos. Also, the biggest celebrity is Kim Kardashian.

    And this is what they feature in cosmo magazine.

    https://laughingacademy.tumblr.com/post/141266086263/straightmaleanalerotic-illustrations-from-the

    This is TEEN Vogue.

    http://www.teenvogue.com/story/anal-sex-what-you-need-to-know

    Shows like GIRLS by Dunham would have been pornography even in the 90s. Now, it's on TV.
    And there are other shows like that.

    And TV shows are about guys and girls talking about graphic details about sex, and etc.

    And get a load of this video by Katy Perry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPI-mRFEIH0

    It features Katy as white woman turned into sex dough ho by a bunch of Negroes.

    And children's shows are made by porn makers.

    https://www.change.org/p/nickelodeon-viacom-keep-sex-fetishism-out-of-children-s-television

    And this is TV commercial:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf6NjW-o2qs

    It shows bigass Negro cuckifying a maggoty white boy.

    So, if you think there is still separate space between Porn World and Mainstream Culture, you are living in the past. That levee has been broken, and pornic waters have flooded into the mainstream.

    Today, young white children will grow up not only with access to hardcore porn but with a mainstream culture that is essentially pornified.

    Kids grow up to stuff like Family Guy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmhItxy2Fmg

    It's not wholesome stuff like Brady Bunch or Beavis and Butthead.

    But sadly, you choose to live in denial.... that is unless you are Negro and trying to fool whitey that all is well and there's nothing to worry about. If you are Gro, you don't fool us.

    “Are you kidding me? I grew up in an integrated city and saw all kind of shi*. I understand what White Flight is all about.”

    O.K. this proves that you’re either stupid or lying. What Whites are intimidated by are civil rights laws and their enforcement by left-wing urban political regimes that will subject you to exemplary sentencing if you dare defend yourself. If not for this and the gun grabbing there wouldn’t be any White flight. Just dead negroes.

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    What Whites are intimidated by are civil rights laws and their enforcement by left-wing urban political regimes that will subject you to exemplary sentencing if you dare defend yourself. If not for this and the gun grabbing there wouldn’t be any White flight.

    Sam the Sham, you just proved my point.

    You said whites need to defend themselves with guns. With GUNS. Why with bullets? Because blacks are more muscled and more aggressive.

    If that weren't so, whites could just fight with fists and remain secure and safe. But even though there are tough whites and not-so-tough blacks, the fact is an average matchup between Negro and White guy is gonna be like Ali vs Quarry. I've seen it too many times.

    Whenever there was fight in the schoolyard, the kids would yell, 'a fight, a fight, a ni**er and a white' and usually, it was totally one-sided. White kids feared to hear 'after school!' by a Negro that meant 'after school, I's gonna kick your white ass.'
    Was it always like this? No. Sure, there were friends and nice negroes too. There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called 'suck my dic*'. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to 'suck' the winner's thing. Of course, it wasn't done literally, but the loser had to have his face pressed against the groin of the winner. But even in this friendly game, blacks had an advantage. If a black kid won, he could make sure that the white kid 'sucked' his dic*. But if the white kid won, the black kid would just laugh and welsh on the bet, and the weaker white kid couldn't do anything about it. One time, the winning white kid had to beg the loser black kid to do it, but the black kid just cackled and cheated by just rubbing his nappy head on the white kid's groin instead of going full-frontal with the face.
    So, the fact is blacks had a decisive advantage over whites. Anyway, now you know why it's usually black guys who are buggering white guys in prison.

    Your point about GUNS implies that whites need guns and license to use it liberally to be safe against blacks.
    But this is unworkable in the long run. What are you gonna do? Pull out a gun every time you see a black guy acting funny?
    Also, what about schools? Kids can't have guns, so white kids will be pushed around by black kids.

    And even in nice neighborhoods with nice negroes integrated with whites, whites will still be disadvantaged. The nice negro will still do better in sports and he will be humping all the white ho's in school, and white boys will get second servings if that. Look at Colin Kaperinick the Negro. He was raised by a white family in a nice community. So, what did he? He excelled in sports and porked all the white girls. So, even with nice negroes, it just leads to cuckery on the part of whites.
    White grandparents raised Obama and he went to nice white schools. So, what did he? According to the bio, he was humping white girls all over the place. If a bisexual closet-homo like Obama acts like that, imagine what the hulking nice negroes are doing.
  110. Avery says:
    @Talha

    Chacha Unz
     
    LOL! good one!

    Though, in all honesty, it's not the first time I've called him "Mr. Unz" - it's not "grovelling", it's called respect for one's host. In fact, I address all the writers as; Mr. Ghiraldi, Mr. Karlin (even though he's probably younger than me), Mr. Dinh.

    We're all eating at the banquet he's going through the trouble of throwing - a modicum of respect to the hand that feeds one is baseline civilized behavior expected even from canines. Even disagreeing with the host should be done politely.


    fellow traveller Osama bin Laden
     
    You mean Chachoo Bin Laden?

    Peace.

    {… it’s called respect for one’s host. }

    Agree.

    I have called him both ‘Ron’ and ‘Mr. Unz’, depending on the circumstance: what’s the big deal.

    President Trump called girly-boy Macron “Mr. President”: was Trump, quote, ‘groveling’?. Of course not: Macron was hosting Trump in France.
    When you are visiting someone in their place, the least you can do is show proper respect.

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  111. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    But here's a serious question: While they may be bigger outwardly, the fact remains that in the realm of IQ, providing for families, etc. blacks greatly lag behind whites in these areas. So then, after being jungle fevered, and realizing that the guy can't man up and provide for her in a responsible way, what then? Because according to stats, blacks don't stick around to take care of their offspring in significant numbers, and hooking up with white women doesn't cure them from that social problem. That's probably one reason you see so many white women with mulatto kids in tow, but oftentimes alone without a father figure. Where's the guy? So they figure out after the fact that while "Sex in the City" glamorized Jungle Fever, in reality it doesn't add up to a responsible provider for a family.

    What's the solution for the new generation who might be tempted to go Jungle without weighing the consequences?

    Easy to curse the darkness. Much harder to light the candle and find our way to the answer.

    Pop Culture mentality is about the Moment and Instant Pleasure.

    Tomorrow doesn’t exist.

    Pop Culture infantilizes and animalizes.

    Also, there is the State as sugar daddy or nanny.

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    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    I would say that popular culture has to spring from the people. What you call popular culture is really just carefully manufactured propaganda and psy ops. I'm sure you know better.
  112. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "High verbal skill is a trait among sociopaths."

    AND it's also a trait/marker of high IQs. Thus, the average Askenazi IQ is 110-115, the highest among white groups.

    Ever notice that people with low verbal skill can have high verbal dexterity, and people with high verbal skill can have low verbal dexterity?

    Some people have a gift for gab. Much of what they may not make much logical sense, but it’s lively and engaging.

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  113. RobRich says: • Website
    @Priss Factor
    Here’s a dictum I have read now and again on the internet: “an organization that isn’t explicitly anti-Left will eventually be swallowed up by the Left.”

    But the 'left' changed so much.

    Looks like the classic left is gone for good, and the new left got swallowed by capitalist consumer decadence.

    And look at China. Maoism lost out to capitalism and nationalism.

    And Soviet Union gave way to what became eventually conservative Russia.

    We keep hearing that the 'left' won the culture war, but no classic leftist would consider 'gay marriage' and '50 gender' degeneracy as anything leftist.

    No, Jewish Supremacists won, and they use homomania as proxy of bogus 'progressivism'.

    In the 90s, Democrats went 'new democrat' and adopted much of Reagan-Thatcherism.
    And Hillary turned into jingo-globo-imperialist, far worse than Johnson-Nixon put together.
    'Leftists' made peace with ultra-militarists.

    “We keep hearing that the ‘left’ won the culture war, but no classic leftist would consider ‘gay marriage’ and ’50 gender’ degeneracy as anything leftist…In the 90s, Democrats went ‘new democrat’ and adopted much of Reagan-Thatcherism.”

    Great point.

    The Libertarians always win the culture war since the Renaissance because they’re the referees and want a clean fight between conservatives and progressives and access to all cultures. No below-the-belt: Rights and voluntary options, boys.

    The far-Left is trying to take credit for Libertarian clean-up wins: spread of democracy, civil rights, LGBT, anti–fracking, the web, Greening, etc.

    The far-Left always tries to make a new libertarian freedom mandatory. Voluntary socialism works in small communities? Call that unscientific and government-imposed socialism on everyone! Corporations can do a great job? Make them mandatory monopolies! LGBT folks should be left alone? Make non-LGBT outlawed! Women and minorities should have rights too? Down with Euro men!

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  114. @Svigor

    McWhorter begins his article by asking what we have to gain by discussing the intellectual inferiority of blacks.
     
    There's a very simple answer to this: we can get the false charges against whites thrown out of court. The current argument is that whites must pay (in perpetuity) for "breaking" blacks. But blacks were already broken when whites found them. So whites are not responsible for black failure, Mother Nature is. (I note that the author makes this point, though I don't prefer the "off the hook" language)

    grew from implacably oppressive slavery followed by a Jim Crow hegemony that recapitulated slavery in essence. These were people living in what my linguist’s training reveals as a life bound in orality rather than literacy. To live restricted to casual speech rather than the artifice of writing creates a psychology ill equipped to score highly on the distinctly modern stunt known as the IQ test.
     
    50 years after Segregation's end, blacks still live in "orality." 99% still believe the false Roots narrative, wherein whites captured blacks in Africa and enslaved them. No, blacks captured blacks, enslaved them, and sold them to whites.

    If it’s “implacably oppressive” slavery you want, then look no further than black-on-black slavery in Africa or, better yet, Muslim-on-black slavery. According to M. A. Khan in Islamic Jihad, Muslims herded over 2 million black slaves out of Africa in the 19th century alone – a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years. Ronald Segal, in Islam’s Black Slaves, states that Islamic slave traders possibly enslaved around eleven million blacks in total, with estimates going as high as thirty million. And in many cases theirs was a truly wretched existence, with the women toiling as sex slaves and with the men being worked to death as conscript soldiers or galley slaves. In just about all cases, male black slaves captured by Islamic slave traders endured castration, a practice almost unheard of in the white, Christian outpost of the United States. Remember, eighty-to-ninety percent of black slaves perished before even making it to the Muslim world, again a far a cry from the sixteen percent of black slaves who died en route across the Atlantic (1.9 million out of 11.7 million according to my Mainstream of Civilization history textbook from 1989).
     
    A couple other relevant points:

    1 black slaves were captured and enslaved by other blacks via warfare; conquered blacks who wound up enslaved were the lucky ones; the rest were put to death.

    2 Roughly 11 million slaves are estimated to have come to the New World via the transatlantic trade; the 400,000 who didn't go to North America went to other parts of the Western Hemisphere, which were much more deadly to slaves than North America was. Millions of them were simply worked to death in the jungles of the Caribbean, Central America, and South America. Brazil was particularly nasty, and the trade there was almost entirely in the hands of the Jews (and crypto-Jews).

    I understand that blacks still did not have the same freedom and standard of living that whites had under the seventy-five-odd years of Jim Crow.
     
    They certainly lived beyond their means, though, thanks to whites - as they have since their arrival in this hemisphere.

    McWhorter tries to couch his disgust at this perspective in fatalism. Basically, he believes that white people are just too darn nice to accept such a “brutally open, race-based meritocratic consensus.” So since it is impossible to achieve, why talk about it?
     
    Whites will never reach such a conclusion, so we should ban whites from trying to persuade each other to reach such a conclusion. This is black literacy, I suppose.

    P.S., I would like to suggest that we encourage Jews to breed with blacks. Jews intermarriage rate with blacks is near zero and a dirty little Jewish secret. But I have hope that Jewish IQ can be used to raise black IQ to right around the white mean.

    Svig, you wrote “the 400,000 who didn’t go to North America”. Maybe it was a typo, but out of the 11 million, 400,000 went to North America. The other 10 million or so went to the Caribbean and Central and South America.

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  115. @Forbes

    According to M. A. Khan in Islamic Jihad, Muslims herded over 2 million black slaves out of Africa in the 19th century alone – a far cry from the 400,000 black slaves brought to North America along the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade in a span of over 400 years.
     
    Is it likely that slavery in North America has yet to end, as the first slaves purportedly arrived in Jamestown in 1619.

    Well, 2019 is just around the corner. It really is time to end the North American slave trade. 400 years is enough already!

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  116. @Open-hearted liberal
    This is a dumb article written by somebody not fit to polish McWhorter's boots and I say that as a fully-paid believer in all things HBD.

    This article hurts my feelings and the writer is a big bad poopyhead! And I quite like McWhorter, too, who is a black guy, by the way. I like blacks because I am a good person and not a mean rotten poopyhead so shut up or I will stick my fingers in my ears.

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  117. @Sergey Krieger
    The author would do a great service to avoid talking about Russia as it is quite obvious he knows nothing on the subject except repeating old clishes which are simply not true. If he wanted to compare black slaves lives in America to something far worse but happening with whites he could use Russian peasants especially before Alexander II reforms who lived life of slavery with families broken sold like cattle, constant hunger and recurring starvation's over centuries. Holodomor for example is a lie created with one intent in heart, to break Russians and Ukranians apart.

    Sure! No gulags, no hunger, no terror. The USSR was indeed a worker’s paradise and Stalin was a teddy bear.

    Seriously, in Khrushchev’s autobiography he wrote about having to extract grain from near-starving Ukrainian farmers under Stalin’s orders to fulfill arbitrary agricultural quotas (this was in the 1940′s and 50′s – when things were improving after WWII).

    Communism was a system of lies with perverse incentives that maximised human suffering.

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    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
    Things that had to be done were done but at fraction of costs what you told to believe.
    Russia was no paradise in the first place when Bolsheviks came to power. it was hell and Stalin did turn things around.
    Russia paid price for delayed changes that should have taken place 100 years prior.
    Regarding Khrushchev, if you believe that traitorous liar and imbecile, it is your problem.
  118. Corvinus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    You obviously respond to the term, as I'm not the only one who applies it to you and receives faux nonchalance.

    “You obviously respond to the term, as I’m not the only one who applies it to you and receives faux nonchalance.”

    I respond to mock those who believe they are engaging in effective rhetoric when employing the term. Go back to the red light district. There you may find someone who shares in your fetish for meaningless memes. You may have to pay two bits, but it will be well worth your effort.

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  119. Truth says:
    @Logan
    Some interesting facts:

    Less than 5% of slaves shipped across the Atlantic came to what is now America. The vast majority went to Brazil and the Caribbean.

    The death rate among slaves in transit has been wildly exaggerated. It averaged around 7% for the entire period of the slave trade. Much higher in earlier years. The death rate was actually quite a bit higher among crews of slave ships. The total death rate for the slave trade, including capture, marching to the coast, imprisonment in the barracoons, voyage and "seasoning" in the New World, was much, much higher, probably over 50% altogether.

    We have, BTW, remarkably good statistics on the slave trade. The 12M number isn't really that high given over 300 years to spread it out. Comes to about 40,000/year.

    The death rate among slaves in transit has been wildly exaggerated. It averaged around 7% for the entire period of the slave trade.

    You were there?

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    • Replies: @Logan
    Not for most of it.

    Here is the definitive database. It's widely accepted, as I said, as remarkably complete and accurate.

    http://www.slavevoyages.org/

    BTW, I have figured out that my 7% number above was a misreading of the numbers. It was more like 14% overall. But the mortality among slaver crews was 20% to 30%.
  120. Truth says:
    @FX Enderby
    This article hurts my feelings and the writer is a big bad poopyhead! And I quite like McWhorter, too, who is a black guy, by the way. I like blacks because I am a good person and not a mean rotten poopyhead so shut up or I will stick my fingers in my ears.

    How are you enjoying France, Mr. President?

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  121. @SAM HOUSTON
    "Are you kidding me? I grew up in an integrated city and saw all kind of shi*. I understand what White Flight is all about."

    O.K. this proves that you're either stupid or lying. What Whites are intimidated by are civil rights laws and their enforcement by left-wing urban political regimes that will subject you to exemplary sentencing if you dare defend yourself. If not for this and the gun grabbing there wouldn't be any White flight. Just dead negroes.

    What Whites are intimidated by are civil rights laws and their enforcement by left-wing urban political regimes that will subject you to exemplary sentencing if you dare defend yourself. If not for this and the gun grabbing there wouldn’t be any White flight.

    Sam the Sham, you just proved my point.

    You said whites need to defend themselves with guns. With GUNS. Why with bullets? Because blacks are more muscled and more aggressive.

    If that weren’t so, whites could just fight with fists and remain secure and safe. But even though there are tough whites and not-so-tough blacks, the fact is an average matchup between Negro and White guy is gonna be like Ali vs Quarry. I’ve seen it too many times.

    Whenever there was fight in the schoolyard, the kids would yell, ‘a fight, a fight, a ni**er and a white’ and usually, it was totally one-sided. White kids feared to hear ‘after school!’ by a Negro that meant ‘after school, I’s gonna kick your white ass.’
    Was it always like this? No. Sure, there were friends and nice negroes too. There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called ‘suck my dic*’. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to ‘suck’ the winner’s thing. Of course, it wasn’t done literally, but the loser had to have his face pressed against the groin of the winner. But even in this friendly game, blacks had an advantage. If a black kid won, he could make sure that the white kid ‘sucked’ his dic*. But if the white kid won, the black kid would just laugh and welsh on the bet, and the weaker white kid couldn’t do anything about it. One time, the winning white kid had to beg the loser black kid to do it, but the black kid just cackled and cheated by just rubbing his nappy head on the white kid’s groin instead of going full-frontal with the face.
    So, the fact is blacks had a decisive advantage over whites. Anyway, now you know why it’s usually black guys who are buggering white guys in prison.

    Your point about GUNS implies that whites need guns and license to use it liberally to be safe against blacks.
    But this is unworkable in the long run. What are you gonna do? Pull out a gun every time you see a black guy acting funny?
    Also, what about schools? Kids can’t have guns, so white kids will be pushed around by black kids.

    And even in nice neighborhoods with nice negroes integrated with whites, whites will still be disadvantaged. The nice negro will still do better in sports and he will be humping all the white ho’s in school, and white boys will get second servings if that. Look at Colin Kaperinick the Negro. He was raised by a white family in a nice community. So, what did he? He excelled in sports and porked all the white girls. So, even with nice negroes, it just leads to cuckery on the part of whites.
    White grandparents raised Obama and he went to nice white schools. So, what did he? According to the bio, he was humping white girls all over the place. If a bisexual closet-homo like Obama acts like that, imagine what the hulking nice negroes are doing.

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    There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called ‘suck my dic*’. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to ‘suck’ the winner’s thing.

    4th grade? When was it and where?

    But if what you say is remotely true we can see, Priss, why you have been damaged for life and can't stop obsessing with black male genitalia.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    Priss, if any of that happened, it's because you were hanging out with other nerds and cucks who put up with it. I've seen many blacks come out on the losing end of violence and sporting competitions. I don't know a thing about erect penises of any color, so I'll leave that to you.
    , @Truth

    There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called ‘suck my dic*’. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to ‘suck’ the winner’s thing.
     
    We were playing kickball and relay racing in 4th grade.
    , @anonymous

    According to the bio, he was humping white girls all over the place. If a bisexual closet-homo like Obama acts like that, imagine what the hulking nice negroes are doing.
     
    Obama wasn't humping any girls. Ever. School mates and acquaintences (he didn't exactly have friends) who hung out with him on the beach during the 70s remember him as a totally committed homosexual who favored older, white men. He was also unable to tell the truth, even when it had neutral results.
    Except in the official, PR, ghost written bios, there were no meaningful relationships with women of any color. Michelle is another thing. I don't want to go there.
  122. K says:
    @Priss Factor
    I spent three years in a completely black caribbean island country of st.kitts in the early 2000's. The island was impressively governed without the help of a single white. I never saw a single white in any administrative position.

    Then you woke up.

    Btw, if blacks are so capable, all blacks need to emulate these Kangri La Negroes.

    ”Then you woke up”

    Exactly. I woke up to the fact they can govern themselves like first world standards.

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  123. “Sam the Sham, you just proved my point.”

    Actually Sissy Prissy no I didn’t. You proved mine. By basically admitting that the real reason Whites have taken flight is because they’re not allowed to defend themselves. So what if Blacks are “more muscled” why are Whites supposed to just accept that disadvantage?

    “Your point about GUNS implies that whites need guns and license to use it liberally to be safe against blacks.”

    It doesn’t imply it at all. It states it outright. Again Whites are capable of overcoming any disadvantage if they are allowed to. Why does the game ONLY have to be played to the advantage of blacks? Answer: “civil rights” laws. Take away the artificial support of the leftist occupation government and all these perceived (by you) advantages disappear.

    “But this is unworkable in the long run. What are you gonna do? Pull out a gun every time you see a black guy acting funny?”

    Yes. It’s not unworkable at all.

    “Also, what about schools? Kids can’t have guns, so white kids will be pushed around by black kids. ”

    You’re going on the assumption that we’ll waste our time even educating the black kids. Why bother? The only reason the black kids can “qualify” for these schools is by affirmative action or dumbing down the curriculum.

    “And even in nice neighborhoods with nice negroes ”

    What nice negroes? And why should we allow them in our neighborhoods? Again all of this is because of “civil rights” laws. Without them blacks would be unable to compete. Only because of affirmative action and “fair housing” laws can any of these negroes stay in school, keep their jobs or afford their housing. It’s certainly not because of good grades and superior work performance. They’d all be living in the slums doing push-ups and bragging about their muscles. A perfect example of that is the 2008 “housing crisis” which was created by a law that forced banks to loan money to unqualified colored people. And what happened? They defaulted. BIG TIME! Brute force loses to higher intelligence every time. Unless the people with higher intelligence are restrained by artificial means. Hell what would black do without the welfare that Whites pay for? YOU mentioned section 8 housing. I also notice that the two negroes you mention by name are half White and were raised by Whites. What’s the matter no blacks could get the job done? Thanks for proving my point.

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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Diversity Heretic
    Another point that Steve Sailer has made is that if we start acknowledging the average black-white IQ difference, it might lead to a exposition of the consequences of the average white-Jewish IQ difference, which is approximately the same.

    National Review is long gone in the Cult of Negro Veneration. This article is just another example.

    Average IQ in Israel, according to my quick research, is 95. When we take into account that 20% of the population are 83-84 IQ Arabs, the Jewish IQ (75% of the population) seems to be only 98 (roughly speaking – I’ve ignored the 5% who are neither).

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    Isn't Ashkenazi iq in Israel much lower than Ashkenazi iq outside of Israel? If so, that may be a result of the need to produce a full society that includes soldiers, farmers, service people, etc., and Ashkenazim also do those things in Israel in fairly large numbers.

    The first time I came across iq figures for Ashkenazim was in an old psychology or anthropology book I found in my high school library. The figure given was 103 or 105, which seems to have been standard for a long time. The book was probably published in the 1950s or 60s, if that means much. Where did the extra 10-12 iq points that are lately attributed to diaspora Ashkenazim come from?
  125. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clark Westwood
    It is possible to get a bachelor's degree from Wharton:

    https://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/academics/bs-versus-ba/

    One of my co-workers has a Wharton BS in economics from the 1980s. (I've seen the degree in his office, and he's not a bull-sh*tter.)

    Yes, It’s possible. And Trump got an undergraduate degree from there (after transferring from Fordham).

    But when people refer to Wharton usually, if not always, you’re talking about the grad school -the much harder of the two to get into and to graduate from.

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  126. utu says:
    @Priss Factor
    What Whites are intimidated by are civil rights laws and their enforcement by left-wing urban political regimes that will subject you to exemplary sentencing if you dare defend yourself. If not for this and the gun grabbing there wouldn’t be any White flight.

    Sam the Sham, you just proved my point.

    You said whites need to defend themselves with guns. With GUNS. Why with bullets? Because blacks are more muscled and more aggressive.

    If that weren't so, whites could just fight with fists and remain secure and safe. But even though there are tough whites and not-so-tough blacks, the fact is an average matchup between Negro and White guy is gonna be like Ali vs Quarry. I've seen it too many times.

    Whenever there was fight in the schoolyard, the kids would yell, 'a fight, a fight, a ni**er and a white' and usually, it was totally one-sided. White kids feared to hear 'after school!' by a Negro that meant 'after school, I's gonna kick your white ass.'
    Was it always like this? No. Sure, there were friends and nice negroes too. There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called 'suck my dic*'. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to 'suck' the winner's thing. Of course, it wasn't done literally, but the loser had to have his face pressed against the groin of the winner. But even in this friendly game, blacks had an advantage. If a black kid won, he could make sure that the white kid 'sucked' his dic*. But if the white kid won, the black kid would just laugh and welsh on the bet, and the weaker white kid couldn't do anything about it. One time, the winning white kid had to beg the loser black kid to do it, but the black kid just cackled and cheated by just rubbing his nappy head on the white kid's groin instead of going full-frontal with the face.
    So, the fact is blacks had a decisive advantage over whites. Anyway, now you know why it's usually black guys who are buggering white guys in prison.

    Your point about GUNS implies that whites need guns and license to use it liberally to be safe against blacks.
    But this is unworkable in the long run. What are you gonna do? Pull out a gun every time you see a black guy acting funny?
    Also, what about schools? Kids can't have guns, so white kids will be pushed around by black kids.

    And even in nice neighborhoods with nice negroes integrated with whites, whites will still be disadvantaged. The nice negro will still do better in sports and he will be humping all the white ho's in school, and white boys will get second servings if that. Look at Colin Kaperinick the Negro. He was raised by a white family in a nice community. So, what did he? He excelled in sports and porked all the white girls. So, even with nice negroes, it just leads to cuckery on the part of whites.
    White grandparents raised Obama and he went to nice white schools. So, what did he? According to the bio, he was humping white girls all over the place. If a bisexual closet-homo like Obama acts like that, imagine what the hulking nice negroes are doing.

    There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called ‘suck my dic*’. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to ‘suck’ the winner’s thing.

    4th grade? When was it and where?

    But if what you say is remotely true we can see, Priss, why you have been damaged for life and can’t stop obsessing with black male genitalia.

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  127. @Jake
    This sentence is especially important: " It’s White Gentles who created modernity."

    That is a more broad way of making the same point I make when I stress that all of this mess was created by WASPs, not by Jews. "Modernity" was created by the war to replace Christendom, and Modernity is the very culturally suicidal state in which we find ourselves. It is Modernity that, all grown up, hates itself (I say: hates itself with guilt for having given Christendom the middle finger). It is Modernity that wishes to replace the people who created it.

    If you think you can save Modernity, you are pissing in the wind. Modernity is culturally suicidal. Western Man will save himself and the West only by returning to Christendom.

    I’m pretty ambivalent about religion. However, if Christianity is your issue, the Church left Whites and Christianity, not the other way around. Why should I attend a church that puts everyone and everything above its own flock? If the major denominations don’t give outright support for aggressive war in the ME, they don’t do much in opposition. The churches in my community are obsessed with sending people to Africa, Haiti, Central America, third-world areas of Asia, doing one-way “interfaith dialogues,” bringing in an unlimited stream of immigrants to fill the pews, and helping minorities in other communities, while looking down on the unfortunate in their own community. I don’t think that is uncommon at all. What good is a church that at best ignores its own community, and works to destroy it at worst? The problem is with the church, not the flock. I’d also say that it would be best for Whites and Europeans to have a religion that is not rooted in the ME, or that has origins in the religion of a hostile competing religion. No matter what Christ’s actual message was, Christianity will always be subject to hijacking.

    By modernity, I obviously mean more than religion and philosophy. It took real genius that was sustained over a long period of time to create modern science and technology, as well as the White Gentile societies in North America, Europe and elsewhere that largely created and fed off the advances. Whites have done fine, and the absence of Jewish achievements would have been little more than a bump in the road. So, no, I don’t buy the Jewish supremacy stuff. Smarter on average means little for a tiny group of people without the numbers or different strata of group members needed to run and defend a society, as long as they are kept in their place.

    I also agree that Gentile elites in Europe and America are a big part of the problem. But I don’t see them as vicious and purposely destructive, as many Jews obviously are. Gentile elites seem to be hostage to their own stupid and self-serving ideologies, and too comfortable and concerned with image to do a thing about the situation. That’s my view from the bottom, at least. They don’t care, and will see their lower-caste co-ethnics ground to dust to prove that they are virtuous, but that’s not the same as destroying out of sheer hatred.

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  128. @Priss Factor
    Pop Culture mentality is about the Moment and Instant Pleasure.

    Tomorrow doesn't exist.

    Pop Culture infantilizes and animalizes.

    Also, there is the State as sugar daddy or nanny.

    I would say that popular culture has to spring from the people. What you call popular culture is really just carefully manufactured propaganda and psy ops. I’m sure you know better.

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  129. @Priss Factor
    What Whites are intimidated by are civil rights laws and their enforcement by left-wing urban political regimes that will subject you to exemplary sentencing if you dare defend yourself. If not for this and the gun grabbing there wouldn’t be any White flight.

    Sam the Sham, you just proved my point.

    You said whites need to defend themselves with guns. With GUNS. Why with bullets? Because blacks are more muscled and more aggressive.

    If that weren't so, whites could just fight with fists and remain secure and safe. But even though there are tough whites and not-so-tough blacks, the fact is an average matchup between Negro and White guy is gonna be like Ali vs Quarry. I've seen it too many times.

    Whenever there was fight in the schoolyard, the kids would yell, 'a fight, a fight, a ni**er and a white' and usually, it was totally one-sided. White kids feared to hear 'after school!' by a Negro that meant 'after school, I's gonna kick your white ass.'
    Was it always like this? No. Sure, there were friends and nice negroes too. There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called 'suck my dic*'. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to 'suck' the winner's thing. Of course, it wasn't done literally, but the loser had to have his face pressed against the groin of the winner. But even in this friendly game, blacks had an advantage. If a black kid won, he could make sure that the white kid 'sucked' his dic*. But if the white kid won, the black kid would just laugh and welsh on the bet, and the weaker white kid couldn't do anything about it. One time, the winning white kid had to beg the loser black kid to do it, but the black kid just cackled and cheated by just rubbing his nappy head on the white kid's groin instead of going full-frontal with the face.
    So, the fact is blacks had a decisive advantage over whites. Anyway, now you know why it's usually black guys who are buggering white guys in prison.

    Your point about GUNS implies that whites need guns and license to use it liberally to be safe against blacks.
    But this is unworkable in the long run. What are you gonna do? Pull out a gun every time you see a black guy acting funny?
    Also, what about schools? Kids can't have guns, so white kids will be pushed around by black kids.

    And even in nice neighborhoods with nice negroes integrated with whites, whites will still be disadvantaged. The nice negro will still do better in sports and he will be humping all the white ho's in school, and white boys will get second servings if that. Look at Colin Kaperinick the Negro. He was raised by a white family in a nice community. So, what did he? He excelled in sports and porked all the white girls. So, even with nice negroes, it just leads to cuckery on the part of whites.
    White grandparents raised Obama and he went to nice white schools. So, what did he? According to the bio, he was humping white girls all over the place. If a bisexual closet-homo like Obama acts like that, imagine what the hulking nice negroes are doing.

    Priss, if any of that happened, it’s because you were hanging out with other nerds and cucks who put up with it. I’ve seen many blacks come out on the losing end of violence and sporting competitions. I don’t know a thing about erect penises of any color, so I’ll leave that to you.

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  130. @K
    And everything i said about my experiences in st.kitts is absolutely true. I never for a single moment felt 'unsafe' even at any time of the night even when i was alone walking in a poor alleyway.

    Neither did any of my friends encounter anything bad. The locals were the sweetest best people i came across. The most they did was to call us as talib (we are south-asian) as it was just after 9/11 i went there but it was in jest and thats it. The only bad experience i had was weirdly from a 'white person' not a black person. He was either portugese or spanish i am not sure. He owned a bar in that place. But blacks never threatened us in anyway

    Seems like the arrival of illicit drugs changed everything.

    Don’t you think it’s an important distinction, you being “South Asian”?

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    I am guessing you mean because i was south-asian they were nice to me? If thats the case, let me tell you another incident. A friend of mine who was also a student of the college i studied in st.kitts was south-asian too. She was from newyork. She had a brother, who was 'killed' in new-york city by blacks who entered into his car while he was in the wrong part of the city. They robbed him and then killed him.

    Blacks in newyork killed a south-asian, but blacks in the caribbean rarely even looked at south-asians in a threatening way.

  131. Nobody says:

    That the obsession with racial IQ is unhinged can be demonstrated with a simple observation: if whites are so clever, what accounts for white susceptibility to the stupidities of liberalism, feminism, and black identity politics? Evidently, high IQ is not protection against self-emasculation. Or stupidity.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    An equally simple obvservation is that it is about averages and that it is better for your population of fellow taxpayers and voters to have an average (approx normally distributed) IQ of 105 than 95, or 100 for that matter, not to put too much weight on the accuracy of measurement.
  132. Logan says:
    @Truth

    The death rate among slaves in transit has been wildly exaggerated. It averaged around 7% for the entire period of the slave trade.
     
    You were there?

    Not for most of it.

    Here is the definitive database. It’s widely accepted, as I said, as remarkably complete and accurate.

    http://www.slavevoyages.org/

    BTW, I have figured out that my 7% number above was a misreading of the numbers. It was more like 14% overall. But the mortality among slaver crews was 20% to 30%.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    So you're telling me now that the mortality rate amongst sailors was higher than it was amongst livestock? I'm sure you just made the day of thousands of exotic animals.

    Let me tell you a theory rapidly gaining speed; there was no trans-Atlantic slave trade - all a fraud. Why do people believe this? because there is NOT ONE remnant of a slave ship, anywhere. You can find a 300 year old inkwell at a garage sale, but there is no evidence, other than photos.

    Now that's all interesting, but the "why" is where it really gets mind-blowing; and y'aint ready for that.
  133. Logan says:
    @attilathehen
    Hye Talha. You are a Pakistani. The average IQ in Pakistan is 84. You're an Asian. You have nothing to do with the West.

    Ahh, classic misunderstanding of how statistics work.

    The average for a group, whether median or mean, tells us NOTHING AT ALL about any member of that group.

    Talha may be a super-genius. The average IQ for his country of origin simply does not provide us with any information about his IQ.

    Also, in America the term “Asian” generally refers to East Asians like Chinese, not South Asians like Pakistanis, who have even less in common with Chinese than they do with the Irish.

    So, what’s your definition of “white?” Iranians, Armenians, Kurds, Afghans? All live in Asia.

    Actually, I am sincerely curious. A lot of people on this website are obsessed, perhaps justifiably, with the decline of the white race. Seems like the first requisite for determining whether this is occurring would be defining who is and is not white. I have seen some of the oddest claims here. Among those some have pronounced, as if it were common knowledge, to be “not white” include: Russians, Italians, Jews, Greeks and Spanish. Even Irish!

    So what’s your definition of “white?” Who’s in and who’s out?

    The definition of Europe and Asia as different continents is entirely a cultural and racial one, BTW, since there is no logical geographic boundary. There is only the continent of Eurasia.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Whiteness is on a spectrum. Swedes are whiter than Greeks. Greeks are whiter than Persians. Persians are whiter than Indians. North Indians are whiter than Dravidians, many of whom are completely non-white.

    Jews are a special case. They must always be considered non-white. A failure to do so allows them to subvert and dominate any white society.
  134. @Corvinus
    "You obviously respond to the term, as I’m not the only one who applies it to you and receives faux nonchalance."

    I respond to mock those who believe they are engaging in effective rhetoric when employing the term. Go back to the red light district. There you may find someone who shares in your fetish for meaningless memes. You may have to pay two bits, but it will be well worth your effort.

    Sure thing, cuck.

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  135. Jeff77450 says:

    Mr. Quinn, as with essentially everyone on the Right you and I are probably 90% in agreement on the various issues—but we aren’t 100% in agreement. The fact that you & I and Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, Gavin McInnes, Jonah Goldberg, George Will, David Brooks, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, William Kristol, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul–and a thousand others–don’t agree on literally *everything* doesn’t make us bad people and doesn’t mean that we can’t find common ground in order to fight the common foe, i.e. the Left in its various loathsome manifestations. As an aside, I am *very* unhappy with *anyone* who advocates for open borders, as some on the Right do, and I won’t vote for them in a primary. But that doesn’t mean that if they’re in office that we can’t work with them on other issues like ending affirmative action, deficit reduction and shrinking government.

    I said all that to say this: Arguments for why slavery in America, followed by a hundred years of Jim Crow, wasn’t “that bad” just never, ever work. It’s kind of like saying that the serial killer who “just” kills his victims isn’t as bad as the serial killer who rapes & tortures his victims before killing them and then eating them. I know which one I’d rather have kill me but it still sucks big time. I *strongly* urge you to not make that argument in the future. Continue to fight the good fight and have a nice weekend. –Jeff York writing from Houston, Texas

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    • Replies: @Hairway To Steven
    The fact that you (or anyone else) would even need to write that last paragraph -- that is, that there was actually someone out there who hadn't already figured that fairly simple truth out for himself -- is what I find so interesting.
  136. K says:
    @Stripes Duncan
    Don't you think it's an important distinction, you being "South Asian"?

    I am guessing you mean because i was south-asian they were nice to me? If thats the case, let me tell you another incident. A friend of mine who was also a student of the college i studied in st.kitts was south-asian too. She was from newyork. She had a brother, who was ‘killed’ in new-york city by blacks who entered into his car while he was in the wrong part of the city. They robbed him and then killed him.

    Blacks in newyork killed a south-asian, but blacks in the caribbean rarely even looked at south-asians in a threatening way.

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    • Replies: @Stripes Duncan
    What happened to your friend's unfortunate brother in savage New York City has no bearing on why you were treated differently than white people would be treated on St. Kitts.

    I think you know that and that's why you tried to make an apples-to-oranges comparison for effect.
  137. Truth says:
    @Priss Factor
    What Whites are intimidated by are civil rights laws and their enforcement by left-wing urban political regimes that will subject you to exemplary sentencing if you dare defend yourself. If not for this and the gun grabbing there wouldn’t be any White flight.

    Sam the Sham, you just proved my point.

    You said whites need to defend themselves with guns. With GUNS. Why with bullets? Because blacks are more muscled and more aggressive.

    If that weren't so, whites could just fight with fists and remain secure and safe. But even though there are tough whites and not-so-tough blacks, the fact is an average matchup between Negro and White guy is gonna be like Ali vs Quarry. I've seen it too many times.

    Whenever there was fight in the schoolyard, the kids would yell, 'a fight, a fight, a ni**er and a white' and usually, it was totally one-sided. White kids feared to hear 'after school!' by a Negro that meant 'after school, I's gonna kick your white ass.'
    Was it always like this? No. Sure, there were friends and nice negroes too. There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called 'suck my dic*'. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to 'suck' the winner's thing. Of course, it wasn't done literally, but the loser had to have his face pressed against the groin of the winner. But even in this friendly game, blacks had an advantage. If a black kid won, he could make sure that the white kid 'sucked' his dic*. But if the white kid won, the black kid would just laugh and welsh on the bet, and the weaker white kid couldn't do anything about it. One time, the winning white kid had to beg the loser black kid to do it, but the black kid just cackled and cheated by just rubbing his nappy head on the white kid's groin instead of going full-frontal with the face.
    So, the fact is blacks had a decisive advantage over whites. Anyway, now you know why it's usually black guys who are buggering white guys in prison.

    Your point about GUNS implies that whites need guns and license to use it liberally to be safe against blacks.
    But this is unworkable in the long run. What are you gonna do? Pull out a gun every time you see a black guy acting funny?
    Also, what about schools? Kids can't have guns, so white kids will be pushed around by black kids.

    And even in nice neighborhoods with nice negroes integrated with whites, whites will still be disadvantaged. The nice negro will still do better in sports and he will be humping all the white ho's in school, and white boys will get second servings if that. Look at Colin Kaperinick the Negro. He was raised by a white family in a nice community. So, what did he? He excelled in sports and porked all the white girls. So, even with nice negroes, it just leads to cuckery on the part of whites.
    White grandparents raised Obama and he went to nice white schools. So, what did he? According to the bio, he was humping white girls all over the place. If a bisexual closet-homo like Obama acts like that, imagine what the hulking nice negroes are doing.

    There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called ‘suck my dic*’. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to ‘suck’ the winner’s thing.

    We were playing kickball and relay racing in 4th grade.

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    We were playing kickball and relay racing in 4th grade.

    You kicked white balls and won all the races.
  138. Truth says:
    @Logan
    Not for most of it.

    Here is the definitive database. It's widely accepted, as I said, as remarkably complete and accurate.

    http://www.slavevoyages.org/

    BTW, I have figured out that my 7% number above was a misreading of the numbers. It was more like 14% overall. But the mortality among slaver crews was 20% to 30%.

    So you’re telling me now that the mortality rate amongst sailors was higher than it was amongst livestock? I’m sure you just made the day of thousands of exotic animals.

    Let me tell you a theory rapidly gaining speed; there was no trans-Atlantic slave trade – all a fraud. Why do people believe this? because there is NOT ONE remnant of a slave ship, anywhere. You can find a 300 year old inkwell at a garage sale, but there is no evidence, other than photos.

    Now that’s all interesting, but the “why” is where it really gets mind-blowing; and y’aint ready for that.

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    • Replies: @Talha

    Now that’s all interesting, but the “why” is where it really gets mind-blowing; and y’aint ready for that.
     
    They were already here?

    Is this gaining traction in academic circles? I'd love a reference bro.

    Peace.

    , @Logan
    "So you’re telling me now that the mortality rate amongst sailors was higher than it was amongst livestock"

    Yup.

    You know, Europeans were sailing around African constantly from 1500 on, but European invasion and conquest didn't get going till the middle 19th century. Many centuries after European colonies had been established in Asia and the Americas, mostly much farther away.

    Why do you think that was?

    Because Europeans who went to Africa died. A slave factor on the African coast had an average life expectancy of about six months.

    Europeans sailors who spent weeks or months on the African coast got sick and died in the same way. After the African diseases were to a good extent transplanted to the Caribbean, much the same happened there. Entire armies and fleets disappeared from disease.

    European conquest of Africa didn't start, it couldn't, until medicine finally got something of a handle on disease to where soldiers and traders could survive lone enough to do any good.
  139. @Anonymous
    Average IQ in Israel, according to my quick research, is 95. When we take into account that 20% of the population are 83-84 IQ Arabs, the Jewish IQ (75% of the population) seems to be only 98 (roughly speaking - I've ignored the 5% who are neither).

    Isn’t Ashkenazi iq in Israel much lower than Ashkenazi iq outside of Israel? If so, that may be a result of the need to produce a full society that includes soldiers, farmers, service people, etc., and Ashkenazim also do those things in Israel in fairly large numbers.

    The first time I came across iq figures for Ashkenazim was in an old psychology or anthropology book I found in my high school library. The figure given was 103 or 105, which seems to have been standard for a long time. The book was probably published in the 1950s or 60s, if that means much. Where did the extra 10-12 iq points that are lately attributed to diaspora Ashkenazim come from?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Where did the extra 10-12 iq points that are lately attributed to diaspora Ashkenazim come from?
     
    Propaganda, most likely - designed to justify the massive over-representation of Jews at the top of the pyramid. Meanwhile, anyone with eyes can see that the sectors dominated by Jews are decidedly not run by geniuses. Just look at the US foreign policy, MSM or Hollywood. They can also see the difference between meritocracy and nepotism.

    In any case, Israel (75% Jewish) scores a mere 95 IQ points while the UK scores 100 in spite of being only ~80% white. Clearly, the whites there already have an advantage and if you want to compare the smartest Jewish sub-tribe (Ashkenazi) it's only fair to apply the same methodology to the white Brits.

    http://archive.is/z2yxc

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British
    , @Logan
    If there was anybody at Jamestown to buy the slaves in 1519, it must have been an enormous shock to King James, who wasn't born til 1566.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I recall some article by Ron Unz noting the Flynn-on-speed increase of measured American Jewish IQs from I think about 1920 to 1950. Ron usuallly gets that sort of thing pretty well right so it might be worth hunting down.
  140. @Truth
    You nailed him!

    Yes, I did.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Do you even realize how bad Truth burned you? No, you didn't catch the subtle dig.
  141. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Keep in mind:

    1. The North American Slave Trade (ca.1619-1807) is for the US colonies/early America only, which is where the 400k number comes from

    2. In the rest of the Western Hemisphere, ca. prior to 1550-1889, lasted for a much longer time frame. For the Caribbean AND South American slave trade, the slaves were worked to death, and because of the living conditions, climate, etc. was much more strenuous and demanding on the labor force. Thus there were continuous ships coming in with new labor supplies (slaves) every single week, if not day, for like a near 200-300 yr time span.

    3. Compared to crossing the Sahara, transporting across the Atlantic via galley ships was far easier travel (once they figured out to supply fruits and veggies for the trip to ward off scurvy). That's one reason Columbus set sail across the Atlantic: He wanted to find an easier way to the Orient since the Turks barred the way over land (Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Steppes of Asia, etc). As the article states, more slaves died en route to the Middle East thru the treacherous crossing of the Sahara. Compared to that route, the Atlantic was a breeze.

    But yeah, if slaves are constantly being imported to the New World for nearly 300 yrs, then the ca.11 million number makes sense, especially when you take into account that the South American/Caribbean labor supply kept dying off and constantly needed to be replaced.

    All the slave math seems like fantasy to me, designed solely to paint the negro victim portrait.

    e.g. “400 years” Trope – my math reveals that from Columbus arrival circa 1492AD to the present day is 525 years. But the slave trade TO North America effectively ended in 1833 with the English abolition and the trade within North America ended entirely at the close of the Civil War with the South’s surrender in 1865. Further, the first African slaves brought to the North America British colonies appear to be a small group of 20 sold in Jamestown circa 1519AD and the first commercial tobacco crop wasn’t until almost a century later in 1612AD (dates from PBS “Slavery and the Making of America”). Let’s be extra and use 1519. 400 years later was 1919. Slavery? No. Using 1612 puts us at 2012. Slavery? Perhaps Wage Slavery against whites who are forced into lifelong labor so Government can raise its annual crop of African criminals on welfare.

    And it hardly ends with lying about the duration. As the OP notes, there are enormous issues with the numbers and with the treatment of slaves in America’s South. One commenter claimed “daily” ship arrivals for over “300 years”. Let’s do some more math. A ship might carry 200 Africans to live delivery in the New World. So 200 x 365 = 73,000/yr arriving. 73,000 x 300 = 21,900,000. Obviously a much larger number than the 11,000,000 total brought across the Atlantic according to “experts.” So let’s try working backwards. 400,000 imported to the Colonies and later States total would yield: 400,000 / 314 = 1,274/yr. That’s 1,274 / 200 = 6/ships per year. In Central and South America, with their 10,600,000 imports, 10,600,000 / 314 = 33,758/yr. 33,758 / 200 = 168/ships per year into ALL of Central and South America.

    In regard to treatment, given only 400,000 imports versus the total African population circa 1870, America failed miserably at the “genocide” often claimed by negro activists. America committed “reverse genocide” by converting 400,000 imports into 4,800,009 low IQ “African Americans.” And the typical Southern plantation may have had a single white family with more than 20 slaves. If these slaves had it so bad, they could easily have overwhelmed their master, his wife, and children in the middle of the night when they were not guarded and completely vulnerable. Yet they did this so rarely that Nat Turners failed revolt was regarded as Historic. Why? In fact, white masters gave slaves FAR better living conditions than most native Africans enjoyed. They were NEVER eaten. Think about that. African cannibalism was so common as to be mundane. Tribes captured others and simply ate them if they couldn’t sell them to stupid white slavers on the coast. Being sent to the coast was a chance at life, while being sent to the captors’ villages meant you were on the menu. And being shipped to America was the equivalent of the African lottery of the day. In America, stupid whites would encourage rampant reproduction, provision of Western medical care, clean water, no famine, no cannibalism, potential literacy, etc. This was like lifelong accommodation in the Ritz Carlton compared to life in Africa for the loser captured by another tribe. Brutal? Genocide? You decide, but decide based on life as it really existed in Africa and in America circa 1519-1865.

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    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Hate fact --> 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

    So, Stan, you can massage the numbers all you want, but the truth remains that greedy Europeans enslaved Africans by force.

    "America failed miserably at the “genocide” often claimed by negro activists. America committed “reverse genocide” by converting 400,000 imports into 4,800,009 low IQ “African Americans.”

    [Laughs] you mean WHITES committed "reverse genocide", if even such a term exists.

    " If these slaves had it so bad, they could easily have overwhelmed their master, his wife, and children in the middle of the night when they were not guarded and completely vulnerable."

    And go where, genius? The bottom line is that in general slaves were treated poorly. Chiefly, they had their freedom taken from them.

    If slaves had it so good, prove it. Become a slave. See how you like it.
  142. Talha says:
    @Truth
    So you're telling me now that the mortality rate amongst sailors was higher than it was amongst livestock? I'm sure you just made the day of thousands of exotic animals.

    Let me tell you a theory rapidly gaining speed; there was no trans-Atlantic slave trade - all a fraud. Why do people believe this? because there is NOT ONE remnant of a slave ship, anywhere. You can find a 300 year old inkwell at a garage sale, but there is no evidence, other than photos.

    Now that's all interesting, but the "why" is where it really gets mind-blowing; and y'aint ready for that.

    Now that’s all interesting, but the “why” is where it really gets mind-blowing; and y’aint ready for that.

    They were already here?

    Is this gaining traction in academic circles? I’d love a reference bro.

    Peace.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Either that or they walked.
    , @Truth
    That's the theory.

    Basically, there were two types of "Native Americans", the vast majority, and those in the Atlantic region were...Black!

    The Westerners (generally speaking) were what we know as "Indians" today, but of course, the Europeans landed on the East Coast.

    Now as far as academic circles, how much do you believe of what you learn in academic circles? They are sophisticated indoctrination camps for people who are not as smart as they think they are. And the indoctrination starts at age 5.

    But that's not the interesting part, the interesting part is the "why" and it goes back to the Old Testament...
    , @Truth
    Another puzzle piece:

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/be/c0/84bec0fc889c21e30e66e117acc78092--jacob-jacob-black-people.jpg
  143. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha

    Now that’s all interesting, but the “why” is where it really gets mind-blowing; and y’aint ready for that.
     
    They were already here?

    Is this gaining traction in academic circles? I'd love a reference bro.

    Peace.

    Either that or they walked.

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    I don't have too difficult of a time believing that some might have been here already in small numbers. Some of the African Empires in that region were very wealthy and had contact with Northern Africa (both knowledge transfer and trade). It is known that some of the African Emperors even had Turkish slaves as imperial guards. Also, many, many historical manuscripts are still being collected and archived. It is not a far fetched idea that a couple of ships were commissioned to be sent that used Turkish or North African Barbary knowledge and staffed by Africans. A bit like the idea that Vikings also reached North America in small numbers.

    But in large, significant numbers? Well, the record on the other side is that there were entire Muslim sultanates like Futa Toro that were predicated on ending the French slave trade in their areas and there is independent documentation in the African Muslim lands (who were quite literate, thank you very much) that attests to the slave trade (some Muslims certainly made money off of it) so it would have to have been a massive conspiracy if we are talking large scale.

    Peace.
  144. Corvinus says:
    @Cranberries
    No. Your assertion is:

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

     

    Your reference contradicts this regardless of one's definition of white, unless your definition of "white" is the result of some bizarre gerrymandering that excludes the bulk of Europe.

    The rest of your response is irrelevant. Your assertion that whites have a shorter future-time orientation (on average) than blacks has nothing to do with variance or nature/nurture, and it is contradicted by your own reference. You appear to be fabricating assertions, running a quick google search for "citations", and posting the first apparently relevant result as evidence without actually reading it. Then changing the subject when it's pointed out.

    “Your reference contradicts this regardless of one’s definition of white, unless your definition of “white” is the result of some bizarre gerrymandering that excludes the bulk of Europe.”

    There are 27 white countries. There are 28 non-white countries. Figure it out.

    “The rest of your response is irrelevant. Your assertion that whites have a shorter future-time orientation (on average) than blacks has nothing to do with variance or nature/nurture, and it is contradicted by your own reference.”

    You are other than accurate. The author clearly stated “We see the usual correlates. Countries that are richer; more Germanic; less corrupt; more intelligent – they all have more future time orientation. In countries that have a Communist legacy future time orientations are perhaps lower than we might expect them to be otherwise”.

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    There are 27 white countries. There are 28 non-white countries. Figure it out.

     

    Your ability to change the subject is impressive. Who said anything about white vs non-white? You made a claim about white vs black time preference-- specifically, that "whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average". I pointed out this is incorrect by your own citation. There are only 2 black countries (Angola and Nigeria) in the cited data. Both have very short "future-time orientation". To choose some subset of the 27 white countries you count that would lead to a lower average than that between Angola and Nigeria would be quite the tortured definition of "white".

    You are other than accurate. The author clearly stated “We see the usual correlates. Countries that are richer; more Germanic; less corrupt; more intelligent – they all have more future time orientation. In countries that have a Communist legacy future time orientations are perhaps lower than we might expect them to be otherwise”.

     

    This is also irrelevant... I've made no claims about the effects of Communism, wealth, or intelligence on time-preference.

    You made a plain-as-day error but all you can do is double down.
  145. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Now that’s all interesting, but the “why” is where it really gets mind-blowing; and y’aint ready for that.
     
    They were already here?

    Is this gaining traction in academic circles? I'd love a reference bro.

    Peace.

    That’s the theory.

    Basically, there were two types of “Native Americans”, the vast majority, and those in the Atlantic region were…Black!

    The Westerners (generally speaking) were what we know as “Indians” today, but of course, the Europeans landed on the East Coast.

    Now as far as academic circles, how much do you believe of what you learn in academic circles? They are sophisticated indoctrination camps for people who are not as smart as they think they are. And the indoctrination starts at age 5.

    But that’s not the interesting part, the interesting part is the “why” and it goes back to the Old Testament…

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  146. Truth says:
    @Talha

    Now that’s all interesting, but the “why” is where it really gets mind-blowing; and y’aint ready for that.
     
    They were already here?

    Is this gaining traction in academic circles? I'd love a reference bro.

    Peace.

    Another puzzle piece:

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    Hey Truth,

    I'm open to these kinds of theories, especially since we are discovering/unearthing new things all the time. I understand there are a bunch of ideological influences in academia, but I feel more comfortable knowing it's gone through some kind of critical cross-examination process at some public level of discourse (peer review by experts) and survived.

    By the way - the link to the image doesn't work.

    Peace.

  147. Corvinus says:
    @Stan d Mute
    All the slave math seems like fantasy to me, designed solely to paint the negro victim portrait.

    e.g. "400 years" Trope - my math reveals that from Columbus arrival circa 1492AD to the present day is 525 years. But the slave trade TO North America effectively ended in 1833 with the English abolition and the trade within North America ended entirely at the close of the Civil War with the South's surrender in 1865. Further, the first African slaves brought to the North America British colonies appear to be a small group of 20 sold in Jamestown circa 1519AD and the first commercial tobacco crop wasn't until almost a century later in 1612AD (dates from PBS "Slavery and the Making of America"). Let's be extra and use 1519. 400 years later was 1919. Slavery? No. Using 1612 puts us at 2012. Slavery? Perhaps Wage Slavery against whites who are forced into lifelong labor so Government can raise its annual crop of African criminals on welfare.

    And it hardly ends with lying about the duration. As the OP notes, there are enormous issues with the numbers and with the treatment of slaves in America's South. One commenter claimed "daily" ship arrivals for over "300 years". Let's do some more math. A ship might carry 200 Africans to live delivery in the New World. So 200 x 365 = 73,000/yr arriving. 73,000 x 300 = 21,900,000. Obviously a much larger number than the 11,000,000 total brought across the Atlantic according to "experts." So let's try working backwards. 400,000 imported to the Colonies and later States total would yield: 400,000 / 314 = 1,274/yr. That's 1,274 / 200 = 6/ships per year. In Central and South America, with their 10,600,000 imports, 10,600,000 / 314 = 33,758/yr. 33,758 / 200 = 168/ships per year into ALL of Central and South America.

    In regard to treatment, given only 400,000 imports versus the total African population circa 1870, America failed miserably at the "genocide" often claimed by negro activists. America committed "reverse genocide" by converting 400,000 imports into 4,800,009 low IQ "African Americans." And the typical Southern plantation may have had a single white family with more than 20 slaves. If these slaves had it so bad, they could easily have overwhelmed their master, his wife, and children in the middle of the night when they were not guarded and completely vulnerable. Yet they did this so rarely that Nat Turners failed revolt was regarded as Historic. Why? In fact, white masters gave slaves FAR better living conditions than most native Africans enjoyed. They were NEVER eaten. Think about that. African cannibalism was so common as to be mundane. Tribes captured others and simply ate them if they couldn't sell them to stupid white slavers on the coast. Being sent to the coast was a chance at life, while being sent to the captors' villages meant you were on the menu. And being shipped to America was the equivalent of the African lottery of the day. In America, stupid whites would encourage rampant reproduction, provision of Western medical care, clean water, no famine, no cannibalism, potential literacy, etc. This was like lifelong accommodation in the Ritz Carlton compared to life in Africa for the loser captured by another tribe. Brutal? Genocide? You decide, but decide based on life as it really existed in Africa and in America circa 1519-1865.

    Hate fact –> 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

    So, Stan, you can massage the numbers all you want, but the truth remains that greedy Europeans enslaved Africans by force.

    “America failed miserably at the “genocide” often claimed by negro activists. America committed “reverse genocide” by converting 400,000 imports into 4,800,009 low IQ “African Americans.”

    [Laughs] you mean WHITES committed “reverse genocide”, if even such a term exists.

    ” If these slaves had it so bad, they could easily have overwhelmed their master, his wife, and children in the middle of the night when they were not guarded and completely vulnerable.”

    And go where, genius? The bottom line is that in general slaves were treated poorly. Chiefly, they had their freedom taken from them.

    If slaves had it so good, prove it. Become a slave. See how you like it.

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    Hate fact –> 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.
     
    LOL, that's another thing I 've always wondered, why these guys are "Pan-European" when it's convenient.

    E.g.: When they see an African in a documentary on Spain:

    "Uuugh, those damn Knee-grows are ruining Europe!!!"

    But, when talking about the slave trade:

    "Hey, it was those nasteee, EEEVIL Spaniards and Portuguese that got most of the slaves, I'm German, ain't got nothin to do with me."
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Ok, then get in line for reparations. Lord knows you and your kind deserve it for having ancestor(s) who were once enslaved. Go ahead. Apply for reparations for hundreds of yrs of slavery since the price paid to blacks hasn't been paid in full as of 2017.

    Go ahead.
  148. Truth says:
    @Corvinus
    Hate fact --> 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

    So, Stan, you can massage the numbers all you want, but the truth remains that greedy Europeans enslaved Africans by force.

    "America failed miserably at the “genocide” often claimed by negro activists. America committed “reverse genocide” by converting 400,000 imports into 4,800,009 low IQ “African Americans.”

    [Laughs] you mean WHITES committed "reverse genocide", if even such a term exists.

    " If these slaves had it so bad, they could easily have overwhelmed their master, his wife, and children in the middle of the night when they were not guarded and completely vulnerable."

    And go where, genius? The bottom line is that in general slaves were treated poorly. Chiefly, they had their freedom taken from them.

    If slaves had it so good, prove it. Become a slave. See how you like it.

    Hate fact –> 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

    LOL, that’s another thing I ‘ve always wondered, why these guys are “Pan-European” when it’s convenient.

    E.g.: When they see an African in a documentary on Spain:

    “Uuugh, those damn Knee-grows are ruining Europe!!!”

    But, when talking about the slave trade:

    “Hey, it was those nasteee, EEEVIL Spaniards and Portuguese that got most of the slaves, I’m German, ain’t got nothin to do with me.”

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  149. Talha says:
    @Anon
    Either that or they walked.

    I don’t have too difficult of a time believing that some might have been here already in small numbers. Some of the African Empires in that region were very wealthy and had contact with Northern Africa (both knowledge transfer and trade). It is known that some of the African Emperors even had Turkish slaves as imperial guards. Also, many, many historical manuscripts are still being collected and archived. It is not a far fetched idea that a couple of ships were commissioned to be sent that used Turkish or North African Barbary knowledge and staffed by Africans. A bit like the idea that Vikings also reached North America in small numbers.

    But in large, significant numbers? Well, the record on the other side is that there were entire Muslim sultanates like Futa Toro that were predicated on ending the French slave trade in their areas and there is independent documentation in the African Muslim lands (who were quite literate, thank you very much) that attests to the slave trade (some Muslims certainly made money off of it) so it would have to have been a massive conspiracy if we are talking large scale.

    Peace.

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    Good points; the difference being that Norse (not necessarily entirely Vikings) routinely sailed long distances in open ocean across the North Atlantic, which (the Atlantic) is a very unfriendly sea, whereas the Arabs do not seem to have done so, much less the pre-Muslim West Africans.

    Even the Portuguese do not seem to have done so until the radical advances in shipbuilding in the 15th century.

    Sure, there could have been minuscule numbers of Africans or whoever washed up in the New World, but if there was a significant population of their descendents (who would obviously no longer be African in any intelligible sense) there seems little reason for a vast conspiracy across all the Americas and Europe to hide the fact.
  150. Talha says:
    @Truth
    Another puzzle piece:

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/be/c0/84bec0fc889c21e30e66e117acc78092--jacob-jacob-black-people.jpg

    Hey Truth,

    I’m open to these kinds of theories, especially since we are discovering/unearthing new things all the time. I understand there are a bunch of ideological influences in academia, but I feel more comfortable knowing it’s gone through some kind of critical cross-examination process at some public level of discourse (peer review by experts) and survived.

    By the way – the link to the image doesn’t work.

    Peace.

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    I understand, Talha. Once you did into what the world is, and what it isn't, then the picture makes much more sense, For instance, you have walked 4 mph, you have driven 50mph in a car, step outside and ask yourself sometime; "am I really moving at 70,000 mph (around the sun) right now, and simultaneously rotating at say, 500mph, (depending upon where you live)? Why does the air miraculously move at 500 mph with me, why don't mountains swishing through the air at 500mph cause hurricanes?, why are there placid lakes?"etc. Nothing you find that is "critically cross-examined" in the halls of Ivy, will help you with these questions. The link I provided was a quote by General Bin Nasser of Egypt.

    https://vimeo.com/35196044
  151. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    I don't have too difficult of a time believing that some might have been here already in small numbers. Some of the African Empires in that region were very wealthy and had contact with Northern Africa (both knowledge transfer and trade). It is known that some of the African Emperors even had Turkish slaves as imperial guards. Also, many, many historical manuscripts are still being collected and archived. It is not a far fetched idea that a couple of ships were commissioned to be sent that used Turkish or North African Barbary knowledge and staffed by Africans. A bit like the idea that Vikings also reached North America in small numbers.

    But in large, significant numbers? Well, the record on the other side is that there were entire Muslim sultanates like Futa Toro that were predicated on ending the French slave trade in their areas and there is independent documentation in the African Muslim lands (who were quite literate, thank you very much) that attests to the slave trade (some Muslims certainly made money off of it) so it would have to have been a massive conspiracy if we are talking large scale.

    Peace.

    Good points; the difference being that Norse (not necessarily entirely Vikings) routinely sailed long distances in open ocean across the North Atlantic, which (the Atlantic) is a very unfriendly sea, whereas the Arabs do not seem to have done so, much less the pre-Muslim West Africans.

    Even the Portuguese do not seem to have done so until the radical advances in shipbuilding in the 15th century.

    Sure, there could have been minuscule numbers of Africans or whoever washed up in the New World, but if there was a significant population of their descendents (who would obviously no longer be African in any intelligible sense) there seems little reason for a vast conspiracy across all the Americas and Europe to hide the fact.

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    the difference being that Norse (not necessarily entirely Vikings) routinely sailed long distances in open ocean across the North Atlantic, which (the Atlantic) is a very unfriendly sea, whereas the Arabs do not seem to have done so, much less the pre-Muslim West Africans.

     

    Erik the Red looked different back then:

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fb/3f/1c/fb3f1c8bc87174e2b3156756c736b48b--african-american-culture-native-american-art.jpg
    , @Talha
    This was basically my point. What is known so far about naval warfare of that area was that some of the African Empires had developed very solid river-faring boats that were necessary to project power and protect trade across the various river networks and deltas in the region. Other than a couple of large lakes, Sub-Saharan Africa doesn't even have major seas. So basically it's rivers and then massive oceans to each side.

    The Sahara also served the role of being a massive sand-ocean in keeping that area isolated from the rest of humanity. Sure nomadic peoples had been crossing it for ages, but nomads don't develop civilizations.

    What is also known - and none of this is controversial, so it hardly needs references - is that the Muslim African elite (men like Mansa Musa, Askiya Muhammad, etc.) used to make Hajj. They obviously didn't make a bee-line across the Sahara as that would have been suicide. Rather, they cut North and then traveled East across the established routes in North Africa. This put them into contact with ancient sea-faring cities like Tunis, Alexandria, even towns like Cairo, etc. For instance, the famous Djinguereber Mosque was built by local man-power, but designed by an Andalusian architect.

    These elite, having seen first-hand what the rest of the world had to offer - were intelligent enough to invite and support men-of-learning from as far away as Persia, Egypt, Morocco and Spain to help seed the knowledge of things like Islamic law (Maliki school mostly), medicine, math, astronomy, etc. Even martial knowledge was transferred - which is one of the reasons you see that the largest and most successful African Empires were Muslim run. After a few centuries, the dissemination of knowledge was completely taken over by scholars of indigenous stock.

    For these reasons, I was mentioning that is not far-fetched to imagine that some of the same elites would have brought over shipwrights and those with maritime knowledge from those areas after having seen some of the most active harbors of the Mediterranean. Kings, with more gold and slaves than they know what to do with, can easily support a pet project like a couple of long-range naval expeditions. Whether that did happen and if they were successful is another story.

    Peace.

  152. Corvinus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    Yes, I did.

    Do you even realize how bad Truth burned you? No, you didn’t catch the subtle dig.

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  153. gT says:

    Blacks kids grow up faster, because they had to in Africa, white kids just grow slower. So while black kids might look better at school, from a physical standpoint, when in their twenties and thirties the whites catch up and then just leave the blacks behind in the dirt in the standpoint that really counts, $$$.

    Whites also tend to become heavier at the same height, because white males have wider hips than black males, and whites have better grey matter due to the longer, slower growth cycle.

    So while some can be cocky when younger and talk a lot when they are younger, others can be condescending when older and only their talk matters when they are older.

    Females are status inclined / socially aware, they open their legs to whoever they see as having higher status / social standing at a particular point in time.

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  154. Truth says:
    @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    I'm open to these kinds of theories, especially since we are discovering/unearthing new things all the time. I understand there are a bunch of ideological influences in academia, but I feel more comfortable knowing it's gone through some kind of critical cross-examination process at some public level of discourse (peer review by experts) and survived.

    By the way - the link to the image doesn't work.

    Peace.

    I understand, Talha. Once you did into what the world is, and what it isn’t, then the picture makes much more sense, For instance, you have walked 4 mph, you have driven 50mph in a car, step outside and ask yourself sometime; “am I really moving at 70,000 mph (around the sun) right now, and simultaneously rotating at say, 500mph, (depending upon where you live)? Why does the air miraculously move at 500 mph with me, why don’t mountains swishing through the air at 500mph cause hurricanes?, why are there placid lakes?”etc. Nothing you find that is “critically cross-examined” in the halls of Ivy, will help you with these questions. The link I provided was a quote by General Bin Nasser of Egypt.

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  155. Truth says:
    @Anon
    Good points; the difference being that Norse (not necessarily entirely Vikings) routinely sailed long distances in open ocean across the North Atlantic, which (the Atlantic) is a very unfriendly sea, whereas the Arabs do not seem to have done so, much less the pre-Muslim West Africans.

    Even the Portuguese do not seem to have done so until the radical advances in shipbuilding in the 15th century.

    Sure, there could have been minuscule numbers of Africans or whoever washed up in the New World, but if there was a significant population of their descendents (who would obviously no longer be African in any intelligible sense) there seems little reason for a vast conspiracy across all the Americas and Europe to hide the fact.

    the difference being that Norse (not necessarily entirely Vikings) routinely sailed long distances in open ocean across the North Atlantic, which (the Atlantic) is a very unfriendly sea, whereas the Arabs do not seem to have done so, much less the pre-Muslim West Africans.

    Erik the Red looked different back then:

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    Bro - your links aren't working. Maybe it's just me??!! Getting access denied - even though I logged in.
  156. @Corvinus
    "Your reference contradicts this regardless of one’s definition of white, unless your definition of “white” is the result of some bizarre gerrymandering that excludes the bulk of Europe."

    There are 27 white countries. There are 28 non-white countries. Figure it out.

    "The rest of your response is irrelevant. Your assertion that whites have a shorter future-time orientation (on average) than blacks has nothing to do with variance or nature/nurture, and it is contradicted by your own reference."

    You are other than accurate. The author clearly stated "We see the usual correlates. Countries that are richer; more Germanic; less corrupt; more intelligent – they all have more future time orientation. In countries that have a Communist legacy future time orientations are perhaps lower than we might expect them to be otherwise".

    There are 27 white countries. There are 28 non-white countries. Figure it out.

    Your ability to change the subject is impressive. Who said anything about white vs non-white? You made a claim about white vs black time preference– specifically, that “whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average”. I pointed out this is incorrect by your own citation. There are only 2 black countries (Angola and Nigeria) in the cited data. Both have very short “future-time orientation”. To choose some subset of the 27 white countries you count that would lead to a lower average than that between Angola and Nigeria would be quite the tortured definition of “white”.

    You are other than accurate. The author clearly stated “We see the usual correlates. Countries that are richer; more Germanic; less corrupt; more intelligent – they all have more future time orientation. In countries that have a Communist legacy future time orientations are perhaps lower than we might expect them to be otherwise”.

    This is also irrelevant… I’ve made no claims about the effects of Communism, wealth, or intelligence on time-preference.

    You made a plain-as-day error but all you can do is double down.

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  157. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @OilcanFloyd
    Isn't Ashkenazi iq in Israel much lower than Ashkenazi iq outside of Israel? If so, that may be a result of the need to produce a full society that includes soldiers, farmers, service people, etc., and Ashkenazim also do those things in Israel in fairly large numbers.

    The first time I came across iq figures for Ashkenazim was in an old psychology or anthropology book I found in my high school library. The figure given was 103 or 105, which seems to have been standard for a long time. The book was probably published in the 1950s or 60s, if that means much. Where did the extra 10-12 iq points that are lately attributed to diaspora Ashkenazim come from?

    Where did the extra 10-12 iq points that are lately attributed to diaspora Ashkenazim come from?

    Propaganda, most likely – designed to justify the massive over-representation of Jews at the top of the pyramid. Meanwhile, anyone with eyes can see that the sectors dominated by Jews are decidedly not run by geniuses. Just look at the US foreign policy, MSM or Hollywood. They can also see the difference between meritocracy and nepotism.

    In any case, Israel (75% Jewish) scores a mere 95 IQ points while the UK scores 100 in spite of being only ~80% white. Clearly, the whites there already have an advantage and if you want to compare the smartest Jewish sub-tribe (Ashkenazi) it’s only fair to apply the same methodology to the white Brits.

    http://archive.is/z2yxc

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British

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  158. Talha says:
    @Anon
    Good points; the difference being that Norse (not necessarily entirely Vikings) routinely sailed long distances in open ocean across the North Atlantic, which (the Atlantic) is a very unfriendly sea, whereas the Arabs do not seem to have done so, much less the pre-Muslim West Africans.

    Even the Portuguese do not seem to have done so until the radical advances in shipbuilding in the 15th century.

    Sure, there could have been minuscule numbers of Africans or whoever washed up in the New World, but if there was a significant population of their descendents (who would obviously no longer be African in any intelligible sense) there seems little reason for a vast conspiracy across all the Americas and Europe to hide the fact.

    This was basically my point. What is known so far about naval warfare of that area was that some of the African Empires had developed very solid river-faring boats that were necessary to project power and protect trade across the various river networks and deltas in the region. Other than a couple of large lakes, Sub-Saharan Africa doesn’t even have major seas. So basically it’s rivers and then massive oceans to each side.

    The Sahara also served the role of being a massive sand-ocean in keeping that area isolated from the rest of humanity. Sure nomadic peoples had been crossing it for ages, but nomads don’t develop civilizations.

    What is also known – and none of this is controversial, so it hardly needs references – is that the Muslim African elite (men like Mansa Musa, Askiya Muhammad, etc.) used to make Hajj. They obviously didn’t make a bee-line across the Sahara as that would have been suicide. Rather, they cut North and then traveled East across the established routes in North Africa. This put them into contact with ancient sea-faring cities like Tunis, Alexandria, even towns like Cairo, etc. For instance, the famous Djinguereber Mosque was built by local man-power, but designed by an Andalusian architect.

    These elite, having seen first-hand what the rest of the world had to offer – were intelligent enough to invite and support men-of-learning from as far away as Persia, Egypt, Morocco and Spain to help seed the knowledge of things like Islamic law (Maliki school mostly), medicine, math, astronomy, etc. Even martial knowledge was transferred – which is one of the reasons you see that the largest and most successful African Empires were Muslim run. After a few centuries, the dissemination of knowledge was completely taken over by scholars of indigenous stock.

    For these reasons, I was mentioning that is not far-fetched to imagine that some of the same elites would have brought over shipwrights and those with maritime knowledge from those areas after having seen some of the most active harbors of the Mediterranean. Kings, with more gold and slaves than they know what to do with, can easily support a pet project like a couple of long-range naval expeditions. Whether that did happen and if they were successful is another story.

    Peace.

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    Right- but Mediterranean (or Indian Ocean) sailing and Atlantic sailing are two quite different things, as you will appreciate by reading Caesar's account of the Gallic wars, or, really, any account of ancient or medieval sea travel, or by sailing any kind of craft. Norse ships were designed for open-ocean Atlantic sailing; Arab ships and the ships of the various other medieval Mediterranean maritime powers were not.

    Even with Norse-style ships, crossing the Atlantic is a dicey proposition, especially without "modern" (more modern than the Vikings, that is) navigational technology.

    It's certainly possible that you could line up a bunch of dhows, or, heck, even a bunch of rafts (Kon-tiki style), and sail west on them, and maybe some would make landfall, and maybe the sailors on them would still be alive. The possibility seems like a rather shaky basis for a grand theory of racial origins though.

    Some information here: https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/12386/why-did-it-take-so-long-for-humanity-to-be-able-to-cross-the-oceans

  159. Talha says:
    @Truth

    the difference being that Norse (not necessarily entirely Vikings) routinely sailed long distances in open ocean across the North Atlantic, which (the Atlantic) is a very unfriendly sea, whereas the Arabs do not seem to have done so, much less the pre-Muslim West Africans.

     

    Erik the Red looked different back then:

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fb/3f/1c/fb3f1c8bc87174e2b3156756c736b48b--african-american-culture-native-american-art.jpg

    Bro – your links aren’t working. Maybe it’s just me??!! Getting access denied – even though I logged in.

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    Oh it was just Olmec in Central America:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=olmec+negros&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&imgil=Q2vPbObpPhdV-M%253A%253B7qy0Oe0q58FRfM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.pinterest.com%25252Fspeekez616%25252Findigenous-africanamerican-culture%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=Q2vPbObpPhdV-M%253A%252C7qy0Oe0q58FRfM%252C_&usg=__1h249ehcDOCmeEq4ndlmYjn63JQ%3D&biw=1280&bih=606&ved=0ahUKEwjC6sP3_4nVAhVV2WMKHWpZB2oQyjcIQQ&ei=f11pWYKvN9WyjwPqsp3QBg#imgrc=Q2vPbObpPhdV-M:
  160. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    This was basically my point. What is known so far about naval warfare of that area was that some of the African Empires had developed very solid river-faring boats that were necessary to project power and protect trade across the various river networks and deltas in the region. Other than a couple of large lakes, Sub-Saharan Africa doesn't even have major seas. So basically it's rivers and then massive oceans to each side.

    The Sahara also served the role of being a massive sand-ocean in keeping that area isolated from the rest of humanity. Sure nomadic peoples had been crossing it for ages, but nomads don't develop civilizations.

    What is also known - and none of this is controversial, so it hardly needs references - is that the Muslim African elite (men like Mansa Musa, Askiya Muhammad, etc.) used to make Hajj. They obviously didn't make a bee-line across the Sahara as that would have been suicide. Rather, they cut North and then traveled East across the established routes in North Africa. This put them into contact with ancient sea-faring cities like Tunis, Alexandria, even towns like Cairo, etc. For instance, the famous Djinguereber Mosque was built by local man-power, but designed by an Andalusian architect.

    These elite, having seen first-hand what the rest of the world had to offer - were intelligent enough to invite and support men-of-learning from as far away as Persia, Egypt, Morocco and Spain to help seed the knowledge of things like Islamic law (Maliki school mostly), medicine, math, astronomy, etc. Even martial knowledge was transferred - which is one of the reasons you see that the largest and most successful African Empires were Muslim run. After a few centuries, the dissemination of knowledge was completely taken over by scholars of indigenous stock.

    For these reasons, I was mentioning that is not far-fetched to imagine that some of the same elites would have brought over shipwrights and those with maritime knowledge from those areas after having seen some of the most active harbors of the Mediterranean. Kings, with more gold and slaves than they know what to do with, can easily support a pet project like a couple of long-range naval expeditions. Whether that did happen and if they were successful is another story.

    Peace.

    Right- but Mediterranean (or Indian Ocean) sailing and Atlantic sailing are two quite different things, as you will appreciate by reading Caesar’s account of the Gallic wars, or, really, any account of ancient or medieval sea travel, or by sailing any kind of craft. Norse ships were designed for open-ocean Atlantic sailing; Arab ships and the ships of the various other medieval Mediterranean maritime powers were not.

    Even with Norse-style ships, crossing the Atlantic is a dicey proposition, especially without “modern” (more modern than the Vikings, that is) navigational technology.

    It’s certainly possible that you could line up a bunch of dhows, or, heck, even a bunch of rafts (Kon-tiki style), and sail west on them, and maybe some would make landfall, and maybe the sailors on them would still be alive. The possibility seems like a rather shaky basis for a grand theory of racial origins though.

    Some information here: https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/12386/why-did-it-take-so-long-for-humanity-to-be-able-to-cross-the-oceans

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    And we may talk of Columbus's sailing, but even he never tried to go 'railing from Ennis as far as Kilkee.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w7eH6JuL50
    , @Talha

    Arab ships and the ships of the various other medieval Mediterranean maritime powers were not.
     
    Agreed - which is why I stated: "Whether that did happen and if they were successful is another story." History is usually preparation and initiative coupled with a fair amount of good fortune. It would be nice to discover a couple of hulls in the deep trenches to know if they even attempted though.

    Kon-tiki style
     
    Expeditions like that one definitely show it is in the realm of theoretical possibility - especially if you take into account actual naval vessels of the time.

    The possibility seems like a rather shaky basis for a grand theory of racial origins though.
     
    Yeah - though speculation is fun - I'd have to see a lot more evidence to overturn the general consensus.

    Peace.

  161. iffen says:
    @George Weinbaum
    In 1785 Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Notes on the State of Virginia". From page 266 in my copy, "Comparing [Negroes] by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous".
    Here, here.

    they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous

    Apparently he found Sally Hemings quite tasty.

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    Gold Coast slave ship bound for cotton fields
    Sold in the market down in New Orleans
    Scarred old slaver knows he's doin' all right
    Hear him whip the women just around midnight
    Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
    Drums beatin' cold, English blood runs hot
    Lady of the house wonderin' when it's gonna stop
    House boy knows that he's doin' all right
    You should have heard him just around midnight
    Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
    Brown Sugar, how come you dance so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a black girl should
    I bet your mama was a Cajun Queen,
    And all her boyfriends were sweet sixteen
    I'm no school boy but I know what I like
    You should have heard them just around midnight
    Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a black girl should
  162. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Right- but Mediterranean (or Indian Ocean) sailing and Atlantic sailing are two quite different things, as you will appreciate by reading Caesar's account of the Gallic wars, or, really, any account of ancient or medieval sea travel, or by sailing any kind of craft. Norse ships were designed for open-ocean Atlantic sailing; Arab ships and the ships of the various other medieval Mediterranean maritime powers were not.

    Even with Norse-style ships, crossing the Atlantic is a dicey proposition, especially without "modern" (more modern than the Vikings, that is) navigational technology.

    It's certainly possible that you could line up a bunch of dhows, or, heck, even a bunch of rafts (Kon-tiki style), and sail west on them, and maybe some would make landfall, and maybe the sailors on them would still be alive. The possibility seems like a rather shaky basis for a grand theory of racial origins though.

    Some information here: https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/12386/why-did-it-take-so-long-for-humanity-to-be-able-to-cross-the-oceans

    And we may talk of Columbus’s sailing, but even he never tried to go ‘railing from Ennis as far as Kilkee.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w7eH6JuL50

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  163. Talha says:
    @Anon
    Right- but Mediterranean (or Indian Ocean) sailing and Atlantic sailing are two quite different things, as you will appreciate by reading Caesar's account of the Gallic wars, or, really, any account of ancient or medieval sea travel, or by sailing any kind of craft. Norse ships were designed for open-ocean Atlantic sailing; Arab ships and the ships of the various other medieval Mediterranean maritime powers were not.

    Even with Norse-style ships, crossing the Atlantic is a dicey proposition, especially without "modern" (more modern than the Vikings, that is) navigational technology.

    It's certainly possible that you could line up a bunch of dhows, or, heck, even a bunch of rafts (Kon-tiki style), and sail west on them, and maybe some would make landfall, and maybe the sailors on them would still be alive. The possibility seems like a rather shaky basis for a grand theory of racial origins though.

    Some information here: https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/12386/why-did-it-take-so-long-for-humanity-to-be-able-to-cross-the-oceans

    Arab ships and the ships of the various other medieval Mediterranean maritime powers were not.

    Agreed – which is why I stated: “Whether that did happen and if they were successful is another story.” History is usually preparation and initiative coupled with a fair amount of good fortune. It would be nice to discover a couple of hulls in the deep trenches to know if they even attempted though.

    Kon-tiki style

    Expeditions like that one definitely show it is in the realm of theoretical possibility – especially if you take into account actual naval vessels of the time.

    The possibility seems like a rather shaky basis for a grand theory of racial origins though.

    Yeah – though speculation is fun – I’d have to see a lot more evidence to overturn the general consensus.

    Peace.

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  164. Talha says:
    @iffen
    they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous

    Apparently he found Sally Hemings quite tasty.

    Gold Coast slave ship bound for cotton fields
    Sold in the market down in New Orleans
    Scarred old slaver knows he’s doin’ all right
    Hear him whip the women just around midnight
    Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
    Drums beatin’ cold, English blood runs hot
    Lady of the house wonderin’ when it’s gonna stop
    House boy knows that he’s doin’ all right
    You should have heard him just around midnight
    Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a young girl should
    Brown Sugar, how come you dance so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a black girl should
    I bet your mama was a Cajun Queen,
    And all her boyfriends were sweet sixteen
    I’m no school boy but I know what I like
    You should have heard them just around midnight
    Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good
    Brown Sugar, just like a black girl should

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  165. Logan says:
    @OilcanFloyd
    Isn't Ashkenazi iq in Israel much lower than Ashkenazi iq outside of Israel? If so, that may be a result of the need to produce a full society that includes soldiers, farmers, service people, etc., and Ashkenazim also do those things in Israel in fairly large numbers.

    The first time I came across iq figures for Ashkenazim was in an old psychology or anthropology book I found in my high school library. The figure given was 103 or 105, which seems to have been standard for a long time. The book was probably published in the 1950s or 60s, if that means much. Where did the extra 10-12 iq points that are lately attributed to diaspora Ashkenazim come from?

    If there was anybody at Jamestown to buy the slaves in 1519, it must have been an enormous shock to King James, who wasn’t born til 1566.

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  166. Logan says:
    @Truth
    So you're telling me now that the mortality rate amongst sailors was higher than it was amongst livestock? I'm sure you just made the day of thousands of exotic animals.

    Let me tell you a theory rapidly gaining speed; there was no trans-Atlantic slave trade - all a fraud. Why do people believe this? because there is NOT ONE remnant of a slave ship, anywhere. You can find a 300 year old inkwell at a garage sale, but there is no evidence, other than photos.

    Now that's all interesting, but the "why" is where it really gets mind-blowing; and y'aint ready for that.

    “So you’re telling me now that the mortality rate amongst sailors was higher than it was amongst livestock”

    Yup.

    You know, Europeans were sailing around African constantly from 1500 on, but European invasion and conquest didn’t get going till the middle 19th century. Many centuries after European colonies had been established in Asia and the Americas, mostly much farther away.

    Why do you think that was?

    Because Europeans who went to Africa died. A slave factor on the African coast had an average life expectancy of about six months.

    Europeans sailors who spent weeks or months on the African coast got sick and died in the same way. After the African diseases were to a good extent transplanted to the Caribbean, much the same happened there. Entire armies and fleets disappeared from disease.

    European conquest of Africa didn’t start, it couldn’t, until medicine finally got something of a handle on disease to where soldiers and traders could survive lone enough to do any good.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Because Europeans who went to Africa died.

    Which also explains how some of the mulatto descendants of those first Europeans became the "middle men" in part of the slave trade for a few hundred years.
  167. @Corvinus
    Do you even realize how bad Truth burned you? No, you didn't catch the subtle dig.

    No, I caught it. And you are a cuck.

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    "No, I caught it."

    Only when it was pointed out to you. You completely missed it.

    "And you are a cuck."

    That's all you have in your verbal assault arsenal. Really pathetic.
  168. @Anonymous White Male
    I'm not claiming you're making it up. I'm just pointing out your fixation on black wee wees. Are you aware of it? Everytime there is a thread on black lack of intelligence, you promote what you admitted is a meme. And then you list a few anecdotal sites primarily by and for women. You want to talk about black willies? Why don't you talk about the herd mentality of women and the misery loves company recruiting that accompanies females that do something they regret? You also add the myth that blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt. And yet Whites are always the strongest weight lifters. And apparently you viewing blacks in an urban environment is your evidence that blacks kick White butt. Like in MMA? Maybe you meant to say they have a larger percentage of muscle mass? This is a ratio concerning body fat. Whites have more body fat, hence they are more buoyant. You know about how "Black Men Can't Swim"? You also shill that blacks have bigger voices and this makes Whites respect blacks as ‘masterful’. Oh, you mean that blacks are louder and noisier than Whites? Are you White? Do you respect blacks as "masterful"?

    You also shill that blacks have bigger voices and this makes Whites respect blacks as ‘masterful’. Oh, you mean that blacks are louder and noisier than Whites? Are you White? Do you respect blacks as “masterful”?

    It doesn’t matter what I think. I have zero power in the world. What matters is global perception.

    This Jungalo-Cuck video got 500 million views. Today, ideology and creeds are irrelevant in the culture war that is about sensationalization of animalism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ekZEVeXwek

    White girls and all girls worldwide are growing up to images and sounds like that. That is presented as ‘innocent’ entertainment(as there are much raunchier stuff). At the Ariana concert in UK there were many little girls.

    Rightists bitch about Muslims, Sharia, and that nonsense, but for every person in the west who reads the Koran, a 10,000 listen to rap and music like song above. This is why even Japanese women are seeking out black men and having kids with them and raising them to beat Japanese in Japan. And PC forces in Japan are elevating mulattoes like royalty. Globalism is a worldwide tsunami that spreads Afromania all over.

    But because of hurt white male pride and because honest discussion about blacks is deemed ‘racist by PC, even rightists would rather bitch about sharia and Muslims instead. Rightists who pretend that Muslims are the main threat are really just alt-cucks. They attack Muslims for blowing up Ariana Grande concert(as ‘western liberty’) when what her ilk is promoting has more dire consequences for the white race.

    Pop Culture is THE culture in the West. It is more powerful than any religion, ideology, political party, etc. Indeed, the rise of homomania owes to the pop-culturalization of society where moral values are now about appeasing celebrities. Video games pop music, and blockbuster movies are even at the center of serious discourse among elites and academics. Mothers and daughters read the same 50 shades of grey novels.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ypg71Aixwc

    Now, what is the MAIN theme of Pop Culture? Other than homomania, is it not Jungle Fever and ACOWW? Who can deny this?

    So, while so many people discuss ‘serous’ ideas, the future is really being determined by the power of idols and sensations, by the siren calls of pop culture. Apollo has lost out to Dionysus and Aphrodite is now Afrodite into having mulatto babies.

    Just do the math. Millions upon millions of Africans are coming to Europe. EU culture is now pop culture. Furthermore, interracism, esp between black male and white female, is promoted by both pop culture and PC. Hollywood even plans to make next Bond 007.

    It’s not about what I think. I can agree with you 100%, and it won’t make the slightest difference.
    The fact is globalism worships the magic negro and mandingo. That crazy novel is now becoming the unspoken ideology of the West via pop culture. It says “white girl liberation means running to Negro, and white makes better accept and even praise this or else be called ‘racist’.” Even though kids are made to read TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, the pop culture that they really obsess over is about MANDINGO. PC professes Mockingbird, Pop Culture promotes Mandingo. (Mandingo is the novel that should really be included in the curriculum.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandingo_(novel)

    So, what is the bigger threat to UK? Muslims and odd cases of terrorism OR massive Afro-colonization of white wombs via idolatry and mass immivasion?

    Just think. Even if I agree with you 100%, would it make any difference to current dire trends?

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    "And PC forces in Japan are elevating mulattoes like royalty. "

    Yeah, all five of them. Japan remains ca.98% racially Asian (fully Japanese). They don't accept many refugees, let alone immigrants. Remember, Brazilians about some thirty yrs ago were sent back to Brazil (certainly some of them had African heitage mixed in).

    Japan remains an exception to the rule: Ethnicity trumps Mandingo.

    You have the right to your own opinions, not your own facts.
  169. @Logan
    If there was anybody at Jamestown to buy the slaves in 1519, it must have been an enormous shock to King James, who wasn't born til 1566.

    You’ve got a point.

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  170. iffen says:
    @Logan
    "So you’re telling me now that the mortality rate amongst sailors was higher than it was amongst livestock"

    Yup.

    You know, Europeans were sailing around African constantly from 1500 on, but European invasion and conquest didn't get going till the middle 19th century. Many centuries after European colonies had been established in Asia and the Americas, mostly much farther away.

    Why do you think that was?

    Because Europeans who went to Africa died. A slave factor on the African coast had an average life expectancy of about six months.

    Europeans sailors who spent weeks or months on the African coast got sick and died in the same way. After the African diseases were to a good extent transplanted to the Caribbean, much the same happened there. Entire armies and fleets disappeared from disease.

    European conquest of Africa didn't start, it couldn't, until medicine finally got something of a handle on disease to where soldiers and traders could survive lone enough to do any good.

    Because Europeans who went to Africa died.

    Which also explains how some of the mulatto descendants of those first Europeans became the “middle men” in part of the slave trade for a few hundred years.

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    • Replies: @Logan
    Also why Portugal was the only European country with some success at establishing colonies and such in Africa prior to the 19th century. The Portuguese had a considerable strain of African blood from the Moops and from slaves introduced in the late medieval and early modern periods and assimilated into the population.
  171. AndrewR says:
    @Logan
    Ahh, classic misunderstanding of how statistics work.

    The average for a group, whether median or mean, tells us NOTHING AT ALL about any member of that group.

    Talha may be a super-genius. The average IQ for his country of origin simply does not provide us with any information about his IQ.

    Also, in America the term "Asian" generally refers to East Asians like Chinese, not South Asians like Pakistanis, who have even less in common with Chinese than they do with the Irish.

    So, what's your definition of "white?" Iranians, Armenians, Kurds, Afghans? All live in Asia.

    Actually, I am sincerely curious. A lot of people on this website are obsessed, perhaps justifiably, with the decline of the white race. Seems like the first requisite for determining whether this is occurring would be defining who is and is not white. I have seen some of the oddest claims here. Among those some have pronounced, as if it were common knowledge, to be "not white" include: Russians, Italians, Jews, Greeks and Spanish. Even Irish!

    So what's your definition of "white?" Who's in and who's out?

    The definition of Europe and Asia as different continents is entirely a cultural and racial one, BTW, since there is no logical geographic boundary. There is only the continent of Eurasia.

    Whiteness is on a spectrum. Swedes are whiter than Greeks. Greeks are whiter than Persians. Persians are whiter than Indians. North Indians are whiter than Dravidians, many of whom are completely non-white.

    Jews are a special case. They must always be considered non-white. A failure to do so allows them to subvert and dominate any white society.

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    Fair enough. Thanks for playing.

    However, you have defined "whiteness" not as a race, but as a characteristic. Which means I'm less white than my BIL, who looks like an SS recruiting poster.
  172. oooff says:
    @Priss Factor
    Also, perhaps I could shame the NR editors into showing at least a little self-respect during their long, sad goodbye. Guys, even for cucks, this is cucking.

    Good article, but it too cucks by pretending that the main problem is about IQ.

    Seriously, if blacks had lower IQ but had the physique of Emmanuel Lewis, would it matter?

    No, the real threat to whites is muscular, vocal, and genital.

    Blacks are more muscular and destroy white pride by kicking white butt.
    Blacks got bigger voices and this makes whites respect blacks as 'masterful'.
    Blacks got bigger dongs, and jungle fever further humiliates white men cuz of ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of white wombs.

    Those are the real reasons why whites need safe spaces from blacks.

    Men need pride of manhood for mental health, and white male pride is impossible around blacks due to BAMMAMA factor: blacks are more muscular and more aggressive.

    I think Priss Factor is correct. Black people have a very strong physical presence and many young black men have tremendous unwarranted confidence. In high school, my daughter was the recipient of many dick pics from black males accompanied by bold assertions of a brotha’s superiority. Older white people do not realize how bad things are for the young. First whites are a minority and second everything white is seen as unearned. So if white achievement is simply on the backs of minorities, then anyone could have accomplished “white” achievement. If that is the case that white achievement is not the result of white intelligence, then blacks with their overt presence must be superior to whites because they have the same native intelligence, but an obvious superior physicality. Since black guys are bigger and stronger and since the mothers and fathers of white boys choose to neuter their own sons via advancing notions of “white privilege” and “diversity,” white boys are cucked by societal structure. They must then watch as a high fraction of white girls get with black boys (it is not a lie). Since black boys are so often very different in personality and physicality, and since young nubile women are the prize of society, it must devastate the psyche to realize that people such as yourself are not the object of desire (see the happas at reddit). Of course, female desire is pushed in this direction by the parents of the white boys who advance “diversity” and lie about white achievement, so the situation is tragic. The situation is worse because you don’t need young white men underperforming since there is zero chance that young black men are going to pick up the slack. While I am not against interracial relationship because there are wonderful people of all races, and terrible people of all races, the problem is that white parents are basically creating a structure that amplifies black qualities and lowers white qualities. This cannot be good for society. What white man is going to invest heavily in his family and push to his limits if he thinks his wife, at some level, prefers a man so different from himself. I would say black people have as much to lose as whites from this very reality.

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    A lot of people here don't get out much, although your reference to the young and social media porn, is good information. I know white women who have dated, or even lived with/married, blacks. They are not fixated, as a rule. I don't know why, as I don't ask too many questions, but they mostly find out it just doesn't work. There is far more to life than sex, and I even wonder how that can really be compatible in races so different in their mentality, for so much of sex happens in the mind and heart. Even physically I recall the aversion to it when discussed in high school by more or less free spirited persons. You can get used to almost anything though. The success rate for bm/wf partners is very low, and has a very high incidence of violence. Wm/bf are more near the average rate of success, but even there the male half is in more danger than if he were with a white or Asian. There are successful bw marriages, but not many. Most of the sex is among young people who don't know what the hell they're doing, and just hope they use birth control, because they ALWAYS regret the results if they don't.
    btw, Caucasoid populations in Asia and parts of Africa have lived in close proximity for centuries, and envy on the part of the whites (as they call themselves) is not characteristic. More often, aspiration to more Caucasoid features is desired by both races.
  173. @Logan
    Women do not have either lower mean or median IQs. Both are essentially identical to males.

    However, men are more variable, meaning there are fewer "average" men and more high-IQ and low-IQ men than women.

    “However, men are more variable, meaning there are fewer “average” men and more high-IQ and low-IQ men than women.”

    Exactly. So the more high-IQ brothas with IQs circa high 90′s to low 100′s will go for “average” women of mean IQs of 100. Which tend to leave white men out in the cold.

    Thank you for making the point.

    Have a good day.

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  174. @Corvinus
    Hate fact --> 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

    So, Stan, you can massage the numbers all you want, but the truth remains that greedy Europeans enslaved Africans by force.

    "America failed miserably at the “genocide” often claimed by negro activists. America committed “reverse genocide” by converting 400,000 imports into 4,800,009 low IQ “African Americans.”

    [Laughs] you mean WHITES committed "reverse genocide", if even such a term exists.

    " If these slaves had it so bad, they could easily have overwhelmed their master, his wife, and children in the middle of the night when they were not guarded and completely vulnerable."

    And go where, genius? The bottom line is that in general slaves were treated poorly. Chiefly, they had their freedom taken from them.

    If slaves had it so good, prove it. Become a slave. See how you like it.

    Ok, then get in line for reparations. Lord knows you and your kind deserve it for having ancestor(s) who were once enslaved. Go ahead. Apply for reparations for hundreds of yrs of slavery since the price paid to blacks hasn’t been paid in full as of 2017.

    Go ahead.

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    "Ok, then get in line for reparations. Lord knows you and your kind deserve it for having ancestor(s) who were once enslaved. Go ahead. Apply for reparations for hundreds of yrs of slavery since the price paid to blacks hasn’t been paid in full as of 2017. Go ahead."

    Dude, I'm a white American man who is married with children. Besides, had you been paying closer attention, prominent black people have responded that slave reparation money would be foolishly spent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W234NiTkBO4

  175. @Priss Factor
    You also shill that blacks have bigger voices and this makes Whites respect blacks as ‘masterful’. Oh, you mean that blacks are louder and noisier than Whites? Are you White? Do you respect blacks as “masterful”?

    It doesn’t matter what I think. I have zero power in the world. What matters is global perception.

    This Jungalo-Cuck video got 500 million views. Today, ideology and creeds are irrelevant in the culture war that is about sensationalization of animalism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ekZEVeXwek

    White girls and all girls worldwide are growing up to images and sounds like that. That is presented as ‘innocent’ entertainment(as there are much raunchier stuff). At the Ariana concert in UK there were many little girls.

    Rightists bitch about Muslims, Sharia, and that nonsense, but for every person in the west who reads the Koran, a 10,000 listen to rap and music like song above. This is why even Japanese women are seeking out black men and having kids with them and raising them to beat Japanese in Japan. And PC forces in Japan are elevating mulattoes like royalty. Globalism is a worldwide tsunami that spreads Afromania all over.

    But because of hurt white male pride and because honest discussion about blacks is deemed ‘racist by PC, even rightists would rather bitch about sharia and Muslims instead. Rightists who pretend that Muslims are the main threat are really just alt-cucks. They attack Muslims for blowing up Ariana Grande concert(as 'western liberty') when what her ilk is promoting has more dire consequences for the white race.

    Pop Culture is THE culture in the West. It is more powerful than any religion, ideology, political party, etc. Indeed, the rise of homomania owes to the pop-culturalization of society where moral values are now about appeasing celebrities. Video games pop music, and blockbuster movies are even at the center of serious discourse among elites and academics. Mothers and daughters read the same 50 shades of grey novels.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ypg71Aixwc

    Now, what is the MAIN theme of Pop Culture? Other than homomania, is it not Jungle Fever and ACOWW? Who can deny this?

    So, while so many people discuss ‘serous’ ideas, the future is really being determined by the power of idols and sensations, by the siren calls of pop culture. Apollo has lost out to Dionysus and Aphrodite is now Afrodite into having mulatto babies.

    Just do the math. Millions upon millions of Africans are coming to Europe. EU culture is now pop culture. Furthermore, interracism, esp between black male and white female, is promoted by both pop culture and PC. Hollywood even plans to make next Bond 007.

    It’s not about what I think. I can agree with you 100%, and it won’t make the slightest difference.
    The fact is globalism worships the magic negro and mandingo. That crazy novel is now becoming the unspoken ideology of the West via pop culture. It says “white girl liberation means running to Negro, and white makes better accept and even praise this or else be called ‘racist’.” Even though kids are made to read TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, the pop culture that they really obsess over is about MANDINGO. PC professes Mockingbird, Pop Culture promotes Mandingo. (Mandingo is the novel that should really be included in the curriculum.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandingo_(novel)

    So, what is the bigger threat to UK? Muslims and odd cases of terrorism OR massive Afro-colonization of white wombs via idolatry and mass immivasion?

    Just think. Even if I agree with you 100%, would it make any difference to current dire trends?

    “And PC forces in Japan are elevating mulattoes like royalty. ”

    Yeah, all five of them. Japan remains ca.98% racially Asian (fully Japanese). They don’t accept many refugees, let alone immigrants. Remember, Brazilians about some thirty yrs ago were sent back to Brazil (certainly some of them had African heitage mixed in).

    Japan remains an exception to the rule: Ethnicity trumps Mandingo.

    You have the right to your own opinions, not your own facts.

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  176. Yeah, all five of them. Japan remains ca.98% racially Asian (fully Japanese).

    I didn’t say Japan as of NOW is filled with Negroes.

    I said it may happen in the future.

    Why?

    Because even though there are few blacks in Japan now, Negropholia is a cancer in Japan, and cancer spreads. No matter how small it begins, it spread and spreads and never stops spreading.

    Even in the past, there were some blacks in Japan, mostly due to US military presence and rappers/jazz artists. But back then, Japan regarded them as a mere presence, not some ideal to promote. Things are different now.

    1. Japanese no longer have the kind of pride they did. Most Japanese grew up as only-child. This happened over three generations, and this means many Japanese have no uncles, aunts, cousins, nieces, nephews. The kind of Japanese family culture seen in Ozu films are gone.
    Instead, Japanese kids grew up as single kids identifying with comic books, video games, professional fighters, and etc. So, Japanese grew up as loners, not as members of family instilled with Japanese culture and identity.

    2. Japanese have become more accepting of foreign domination. The most sacred sport of Japan is sumo, but Japanese allowed Mongols to totally take over and break all records. Now, Mongols are East Asians and similar to Japanese, but this should be humiliating, but Japan just accepted it like a bitch. Mongols failed to invade Japan but now they did. But what is interesting is how Japanese didn’t take measures to stop importation of Mongols. MORE were brought to whup Japanese even more. It wont’ be long before Negroes enter and totally whup all Japanese and hump the ho’s.

    3. Anime, manga, video games, and J-pop made Japanese favor fantasy over reality. Also, these are all trans-racial and Japanese are mentally wanna-be-whites. But there is growing rap culture, and Japanese are into black culture. Many Japanese girls try to be gangsta and grow up listening rap. This means many young Japanese feel more globo-Afro than Japanese.

    4. There is a whole subculture where Japanese women seek out black men. A military guy who spent a lot of time in Yokohama told me that many Japanese women are into jungaru fever. And Japanese men are a bunch of cucks. He told me cuck culture is there in Japan too. Japanese men have white men and black men hump their ho’s, and cuck pornography is a big thing in Japan. Jus think about it. Japan has few blacks, but their culture is already like this.

    5. Already, children of Japanese women who went with blacks are making big splash in media and sports. Some mulatto was Ms. Japan, and mulatto Japanese win Olympic medals. This makes Japanese see mulatto-ism as a good thing since it wins blings for Japan. Never mind that these mulattoes are products of Japanese women rejecting Japanese men as inferior.

    In the past, there were some mulattoes in Japan, but Japanese treated them like other minorities. Nuisance that had to be tolerated. But now, Japanese are promoting such people as the new ideal.
    Also, as US dominates global discourse, mistreatment of blacks is a far bigger issue than, say, mistreating other minorities. So, Japanese have imbibed ‘white guilt’ and try to prove that it is a ‘good nation’ by being pro-black. This will remove stigma from race-mixing, and more Japanese women will go black and have mulatto babies. Blacks, like Jews and homos, must get special consideration since they are protected by globalism as special people. If Japanese mistreat Iranian minorities, who cares? But if some Negro cries ‘racism’ in Japan, it’s in the NY Times.

    6. Japanese men have already lost sexual confidence. By some news accts, 50% of Japanese men have given up on sex and marriage and look forward to buying sex robots. And 80% of Japanese women say they are sexually unsatisfied. Now, combine those factors with globalism, Liberal Japanese media’s promotion of diversity-blacks-interracism, and you now have a mechanism in place to expand more interracism with blacks.

    7. Japanese now feel morally defensive about their homogeneity. They don’t feel proud of it and apologize when pressed about it. In the past, Japanese were proud about their homogeneity and wrote books about how Japanese are a unique people. Now, such ideas are absent, and Japanese media push interracism and diversity.

    So, when we take into account all these factors, the problem of interracism isn’t just a wound. It is now a cancer, and it will accelerate.

    We are told that Shinzo Abe is right-wing and ultra-nationalist, but it’s of no use. As Japan is whore nation of the US, it can’t do much with its so-called nationalism. What matters is what happens among the people, and they are cucked, infantilized(with kawaii culture), atomized and isolated, and globalized.

    And Japanese women have lost respect in Japanese men who now act and talk like pansies and dorks. And easy travel makes it possible for Japanese women to seeking Negro men. And as it’s no longer frowned upon by Japanese society, it will spread and spread. Also, Japanese women are raised to be whores. Their fathers are TV-addicted morons and their mothers are whores themselves into adultery and stuff.

    Japanese power was always collective and traditional. It’s a delicate ecology. As individuals, Japanese are vulnerable. Japanese men are small and can be whupped by any man. Also, they are timid and lack personality. IN the past, Japanese men and women were part of a cultural ecology, and they married according to collective rules and customs. But as they’ve broken down, atomized Japanese men withdraw into video game land, and Japanese women seek out better men or watch TV soap for fantasy.

    It is a cancer.

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    "Japanese now feel morally defensive about their homogeneity. They don’t feel proud of it and apologize when pressed about it. In the past, Japanese were proud about their homogeneity and wrote books about how Japanese are a unique people. Now, such ideas are absent, and Japanese media push interracism and diversity."

    "And Japanese women have lost respect in Japanese men who now act and talk like pansies and dorks. And easy travel makes it possible for Japanese women to seeking Negro men. And as it’s no longer frowned upon by Japanese society, it will spread and spread. Also, Japanese women are raised to be whores. Their fathers are TV-addicted morons and their mothers are whores themselves into adultery and stuff."

    "As individuals, Japanese are vulnerable. Japanese men are small and can be whupped by any man. Also, they are timid and lack personality. IN the past, Japanese men and women were part of a cultural ecology, and they married according to collective rules and customs. But as they’ve broken down, atomized Japanese men withdraw into video game land, and Japanese women seek out better men or watch TV soap for fantasy."

    Perhaps you can show us the data that makes this reality and not just the personal opinions of a black willy obsessed troll that got his butt kicked by blacks in school, apparently engaged with blacks in fellatio, and comes to this site to spread gossip, half-truths, distortions and irrational personal opinions. Say, Prissy, have you ever lived in Japan?
  177. @Jeff77450
    Mr. Quinn, as with essentially everyone on the Right you and I are probably 90% in agreement on the various issues---but we aren't 100% in agreement. The fact that you & I and Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, Gavin McInnes, Jonah Goldberg, George Will, David Brooks, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, William Kristol, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul--and a thousand others--don't agree on literally *everything* doesn't make us bad people and doesn't mean that we can't find common ground in order to fight the common foe, i.e. the Left in its various loathsome manifestations. As an aside, I am *very* unhappy with *anyone* who advocates for open borders, as some on the Right do, and I won't vote for them in a primary. But that doesn't mean that if they're in office that we can't work with them on other issues like ending affirmative action, deficit reduction and shrinking government.

    I said all that to say this: Arguments for why slavery in America, followed by a hundred years of Jim Crow, wasn't "that bad" just never, ever work. It's kind of like saying that the serial killer who "just" kills his victims isn't as bad as the serial killer who rapes & tortures his victims before killing them and then eating them. I know which one I'd rather have kill me but it still sucks big time. I *strongly* urge you to not make that argument in the future. Continue to fight the good fight and have a nice weekend. --Jeff York writing from Houston, Texas

    The fact that you (or anyone else) would even need to write that last paragraph — that is, that there was actually someone out there who hadn’t already figured that fairly simple truth out for himself — is what I find so interesting.

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  178. @K
    I am guessing you mean because i was south-asian they were nice to me? If thats the case, let me tell you another incident. A friend of mine who was also a student of the college i studied in st.kitts was south-asian too. She was from newyork. She had a brother, who was 'killed' in new-york city by blacks who entered into his car while he was in the wrong part of the city. They robbed him and then killed him.

    Blacks in newyork killed a south-asian, but blacks in the caribbean rarely even looked at south-asians in a threatening way.

    What happened to your friend’s unfortunate brother in savage New York City has no bearing on why you were treated differently than white people would be treated on St. Kitts.

    I think you know that and that’s why you tried to make an apples-to-oranges comparison for effect.

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    Let me ask you something, why was i or my friends treated differently in st.kitts?
  179. Jim K. says:

    Whites supremacists must feel so low these days, with the obvious decline of America and the ascent of China that the only hope left for them is to feel superior to blacks! How sad indeed. Just read some of the comments to this useless article.

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    • Replies: @Hairway To Steven
    Yuh, sure there are a few white-robe-wearing types around this joint, but a lot of us find this topic interesting because, well, it's interesting -- both as a matter of scientific inquiry and as a reflection of the state of the culture. In a few decades or so, I'm guessing that this matter is going to be finally settled by science unless the people looking into it are so starved of funds and feel so personally threatened by the deluge of hate and invective aimed at them that, in the absence of extraordinary moral courage, they'll all look for other areas of research. But science usually produces its own momentum, and I'm counting on this to carry the research forward.
  180. Corvinus says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Ok, then get in line for reparations. Lord knows you and your kind deserve it for having ancestor(s) who were once enslaved. Go ahead. Apply for reparations for hundreds of yrs of slavery since the price paid to blacks hasn't been paid in full as of 2017.

    Go ahead.

    “Ok, then get in line for reparations. Lord knows you and your kind deserve it for having ancestor(s) who were once enslaved. Go ahead. Apply for reparations for hundreds of yrs of slavery since the price paid to blacks hasn’t been paid in full as of 2017. Go ahead.”

    Dude, I’m a white American man who is married with children. Besides, had you been paying closer attention, prominent black people have responded that slave reparation money would be foolishly spent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W234NiTkBO4

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    That's not the same as saying that they unanimously are vs. receiving reparations. They missed getting it under Obama, but give it time, another administration will surely bring it up.

    Do show where they unanimously (via their appointed leaders) said, "Know what? We don't want any free money thru reparations. Whitey, ya'll can keep your money. We're fine." I mean, free give aways works for families of Michael Brown and others. Why not for the whole community in one fell swoop?

    Someone needs to inform Ta-Nehesi Coates that his community doesn't want reparations, he seems to think its a legitimate issue to push.
  181. @OilcanFloyd
    Isn't Ashkenazi iq in Israel much lower than Ashkenazi iq outside of Israel? If so, that may be a result of the need to produce a full society that includes soldiers, farmers, service people, etc., and Ashkenazim also do those things in Israel in fairly large numbers.

    The first time I came across iq figures for Ashkenazim was in an old psychology or anthropology book I found in my high school library. The figure given was 103 or 105, which seems to have been standard for a long time. The book was probably published in the 1950s or 60s, if that means much. Where did the extra 10-12 iq points that are lately attributed to diaspora Ashkenazim come from?

    I recall some article by Ron Unz noting the Flynn-on-speed increase of measured American Jewish IQs from I think about 1920 to 1950. Ron usuallly gets that sort of thing pretty well right so it might be worth hunting down.

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  182. @FX Enderby
    Sure! No gulags, no hunger, no terror. The USSR was indeed a worker's paradise and Stalin was a teddy bear.

    Seriously, in Khrushchev's autobiography he wrote about having to extract grain from near-starving Ukrainian farmers under Stalin's orders to fulfill arbitrary agricultural quotas (this was in the 1940's and 50's - when things were improving after WWII).

    Communism was a system of lies with perverse incentives that maximised human suffering.

    Things that had to be done were done but at fraction of costs what you told to believe.
    Russia was no paradise in the first place when Bolsheviks came to power. it was hell and Stalin did turn things around.
    Russia paid price for delayed changes that should have taken place 100 years prior.
    Regarding Khrushchev, if you believe that traitorous liar and imbecile, it is your problem.

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    "Stalin did turn things around."

    I'll just let that one sentence of yours stand alone. Assuming that you're not engaging in some kind of whimsical trollery, I just want to admire the audaciousness of its irony and the elegance of its stupidity.

  183. @Nobody
    That the obsession with racial IQ is unhinged can be demonstrated with a simple observation: if whites are so clever, what accounts for white susceptibility to the stupidities of liberalism, feminism, and black identity politics? Evidently, high IQ is not protection against self-emasculation. Or stupidity.

    An equally simple obvservation is that it is about averages and that it is better for your population of fellow taxpayers and voters to have an average (approx normally distributed) IQ of 105 than 95, or 100 for that matter, not to put too much weight on the accuracy of measurement.

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  184. K says:
    @Stripes Duncan
    What happened to your friend's unfortunate brother in savage New York City has no bearing on why you were treated differently than white people would be treated on St. Kitts.

    I think you know that and that's why you tried to make an apples-to-oranges comparison for effect.

    Let me ask you something, why was i or my friends treated differently in st.kitts?

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  185. @Sergey Krieger
    Things that had to be done were done but at fraction of costs what you told to believe.
    Russia was no paradise in the first place when Bolsheviks came to power. it was hell and Stalin did turn things around.
    Russia paid price for delayed changes that should have taken place 100 years prior.
    Regarding Khrushchev, if you believe that traitorous liar and imbecile, it is your problem.

    “Stalin did turn things around.”

    I’ll just let that one sentence of yours stand alone. Assuming that you’re not engaging in some kind of whimsical trollery, I just want to admire the audaciousness of its irony and the elegance of its stupidity.

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  186. @Jim K.
    Whites supremacists must feel so low these days, with the obvious decline of America and the ascent of China that the only hope left for them is to feel superior to blacks! How sad indeed. Just read some of the comments to this useless article.

    Yuh, sure there are a few white-robe-wearing types around this joint, but a lot of us find this topic interesting because, well, it’s interesting — both as a matter of scientific inquiry and as a reflection of the state of the culture. In a few decades or so, I’m guessing that this matter is going to be finally settled by science unless the people looking into it are so starved of funds and feel so personally threatened by the deluge of hate and invective aimed at them that, in the absence of extraordinary moral courage, they’ll all look for other areas of research. But science usually produces its own momentum, and I’m counting on this to carry the research forward.

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  187. jb says:

    Personally I was delighted with McWhorter’s article! That a respected black academic, writing in a semi-respected mainstream publication, should acknowledge the possibility that the black/white IQ gap might be genetic, is huge progress!!! This, along with the Vox article he references, have left me feeling more optimistic that I have in quite a while.

    Everything else is just nitpicking. Let McWhorter have his opinion on the origin of the gap. Frankly, while I think he is wrong, I don’t think it’s a crazy argument, and in fact I can’t rule out the possibility that some version of it might be right. In fact I would like to defend McWhorter here as someone who has shown an amazing amount of intellectual courage and integrity. To acknowledge even the possibility of genetic IQ differences, not to mention writing of antiracism as our new national religion, takes real bravery, and I salute him for it.

    Of course I agree with Spencer Quinn that if low achievement by blacks is going to be taken as proof of racist oppression by whites, then whites ought to be able to defend themselves by bringing up IQ. However I notice that both McWhorter and Quinn miss an interesting distinction: the distinction between the existence of the gap, and its origin. The thing is, whether or not the IQ gap is genetic or cultural, it exists, and that fact alone has great consequences. McWhorter might have argued that whites could bring up IQ to argue against affirmative action and white guilt, but shouldn’t bring genetics into it. (In fact from a tactical point of view I think this is often the better approach even for white nationalists). But instead he argues against bringing up IQ at all, and here I think his argument fails. But as I said, this is nitpicking — at this point I am just really happy with the progress being made.

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  188. dcite says:
    @oooff
    I think Priss Factor is correct. Black people have a very strong physical presence and many young black men have tremendous unwarranted confidence. In high school, my daughter was the recipient of many dick pics from black males accompanied by bold assertions of a brotha's superiority. Older white people do not realize how bad things are for the young. First whites are a minority and second everything white is seen as unearned. So if white achievement is simply on the backs of minorities, then anyone could have accomplished "white" achievement. If that is the case that white achievement is not the result of white intelligence, then blacks with their overt presence must be superior to whites because they have the same native intelligence, but an obvious superior physicality. Since black guys are bigger and stronger and since the mothers and fathers of white boys choose to neuter their own sons via advancing notions of "white privilege" and "diversity," white boys are cucked by societal structure. They must then watch as a high fraction of white girls get with black boys (it is not a lie). Since black boys are so often very different in personality and physicality, and since young nubile women are the prize of society, it must devastate the psyche to realize that people such as yourself are not the object of desire (see the happas at reddit). Of course, female desire is pushed in this direction by the parents of the white boys who advance "diversity" and lie about white achievement, so the situation is tragic. The situation is worse because you don't need young white men underperforming since there is zero chance that young black men are going to pick up the slack. While I am not against interracial relationship because there are wonderful people of all races, and terrible people of all races, the problem is that white parents are basically creating a structure that amplifies black qualities and lowers white qualities. This cannot be good for society. What white man is going to invest heavily in his family and push to his limits if he thinks his wife, at some level, prefers a man so different from himself. I would say black people have as much to lose as whites from this very reality.

    A lot of people here don’t get out much, although your reference to the young and social media porn, is good information. I know white women who have dated, or even lived with/married, blacks. They are not fixated, as a rule. I don’t know why, as I don’t ask too many questions, but they mostly find out it just doesn’t work. There is far more to life than sex, and I even wonder how that can really be compatible in races so different in their mentality, for so much of sex happens in the mind and heart. Even physically I recall the aversion to it when discussed in high school by more or less free spirited persons. You can get used to almost anything though. The success rate for bm/wf partners is very low, and has a very high incidence of violence. Wm/bf are more near the average rate of success, but even there the male half is in more danger than if he were with a white or Asian. There are successful bw marriages, but not many. Most of the sex is among young people who don’t know what the hell they’re doing, and just hope they use birth control, because they ALWAYS regret the results if they don’t.
    btw, Caucasoid populations in Asia and parts of Africa have lived in close proximity for centuries, and envy on the part of the whites (as they call themselves) is not characteristic. More often, aspiration to more Caucasoid features is desired by both races.

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    Regarding white women who date/marry black men, I believe the part about them not being fixated but it doesn't matter because the damage is done. The issue is that social structure that has come to form where blacks are celebrated, their shortcomings are blamed on whites, and white abilities are said to come from cultural appropriation (if all black achievement in the past 500 years is total and quantified, does it equal howitzer canon?). Many white girls are left with mixed race children and a man must be the cuck of cucks to raise those kids. Maybe a great man would do it, but one thing is for sure: at the prime of her beauty, the wife gave herself to another man who doesn't look like you. Overall destabalization takes place because no one wants to marry, or invest in a woman, if he believes she prefers something else. The male ego is too sensitive (a good thing as that can result in staggering amounts of productivity to provide for the mate).

    To anyone interested in the realities of interracial dating, I urge you to read r/happas. The sheer unadulterated pain in that forum should give anyone pause. People who dismiss it as sniveling are idiotic. There is a lot of pain in many interracial relationships; sometimes at the child's level.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/
    , @Truth

    Wm/bf are more near the average rate of success,
     
    In every survey I've seen these are the happiest most successful marriages.
  189. dcite says:
    @K
    And everything i said about my experiences in st.kitts is absolutely true. I never for a single moment felt 'unsafe' even at any time of the night even when i was alone walking in a poor alleyway.

    Neither did any of my friends encounter anything bad. The locals were the sweetest best people i came across. The most they did was to call us as talib (we are south-asian) as it was just after 9/11 i went there but it was in jest and thats it. The only bad experience i had was weirdly from a 'white person' not a black person. He was either portugese or spanish i am not sure. He owned a bar in that place. But blacks never threatened us in anyway

    Seems like the arrival of illicit drugs changed everything.

    You put “white person” in quotes, as in your only bad experience was “weirdly from a ‘white person.’ You’re only bad experience. Weirdly. Interesting. So does weirdly having an only bad experience with a black person in a predominantly white area analgous? Because we have those all the time. But it’s not “weird.”
    The owners of bars and other tourist traps are not going to “bother” you. They want to make money and form a fairly small percentage of the total population. Tourists do not go beyond a certain pale (no pun intended). If these islands are so safe, then they must have sent all their dangerous people to the U.S., because here aside from a few entrepreneurs, they continue the tradition of making a neighborhood high crime and dangerous.

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  190. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Priss Factor
    What Whites are intimidated by are civil rights laws and their enforcement by left-wing urban political regimes that will subject you to exemplary sentencing if you dare defend yourself. If not for this and the gun grabbing there wouldn’t be any White flight.

    Sam the Sham, you just proved my point.

    You said whites need to defend themselves with guns. With GUNS. Why with bullets? Because blacks are more muscled and more aggressive.

    If that weren't so, whites could just fight with fists and remain secure and safe. But even though there are tough whites and not-so-tough blacks, the fact is an average matchup between Negro and White guy is gonna be like Ali vs Quarry. I've seen it too many times.

    Whenever there was fight in the schoolyard, the kids would yell, 'a fight, a fight, a ni**er and a white' and usually, it was totally one-sided. White kids feared to hear 'after school!' by a Negro that meant 'after school, I's gonna kick your white ass.'
    Was it always like this? No. Sure, there were friends and nice negroes too. There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called 'suck my dic*'. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to 'suck' the winner's thing. Of course, it wasn't done literally, but the loser had to have his face pressed against the groin of the winner. But even in this friendly game, blacks had an advantage. If a black kid won, he could make sure that the white kid 'sucked' his dic*. But if the white kid won, the black kid would just laugh and welsh on the bet, and the weaker white kid couldn't do anything about it. One time, the winning white kid had to beg the loser black kid to do it, but the black kid just cackled and cheated by just rubbing his nappy head on the white kid's groin instead of going full-frontal with the face.
    So, the fact is blacks had a decisive advantage over whites. Anyway, now you know why it's usually black guys who are buggering white guys in prison.

    Your point about GUNS implies that whites need guns and license to use it liberally to be safe against blacks.
    But this is unworkable in the long run. What are you gonna do? Pull out a gun every time you see a black guy acting funny?
    Also, what about schools? Kids can't have guns, so white kids will be pushed around by black kids.

    And even in nice neighborhoods with nice negroes integrated with whites, whites will still be disadvantaged. The nice negro will still do better in sports and he will be humping all the white ho's in school, and white boys will get second servings if that. Look at Colin Kaperinick the Negro. He was raised by a white family in a nice community. So, what did he? He excelled in sports and porked all the white girls. So, even with nice negroes, it just leads to cuckery on the part of whites.
    White grandparents raised Obama and he went to nice white schools. So, what did he? According to the bio, he was humping white girls all over the place. If a bisexual closet-homo like Obama acts like that, imagine what the hulking nice negroes are doing.

    According to the bio, he was humping white girls all over the place. If a bisexual closet-homo like Obama acts like that, imagine what the hulking nice negroes are doing.

    Obama wasn’t humping any girls. Ever. School mates and acquaintences (he didn’t exactly have friends) who hung out with him on the beach during the 70s remember him as a totally committed homosexual who favored older, white men. He was also unable to tell the truth, even when it had neutral results.
    Except in the official, PR, ghost written bios, there were no meaningful relationships with women of any color. Michelle is another thing. I don’t want to go there.

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  191. nok says:

    The writer of this article is not only ignorant of African history, he is also a racist… Every thing he know about Africa is after the invasion of Africa by slave raiders who later became colonial masters. to which after their invasion of Africa, they deliberately destroyed,twisted and obliterate some parts of our history, destroyed our heritage, contaminated our value system and stole some of our artifacts which are littered in various museums round the world.

    He should do more research in to African history, culture and heritage..

    The Benin empire was one of the most sophisticated empires in Africa before it fell to the white invaders

    The fulani have had contacts with the Arabs long before the British conquest and they were literate in Arabic studies.

    The igbos of Nigeria had a well developed writing system know as the Nsibidi which they shared with the Effiks and ibibios. They also had a well developed and flourishing metallurgical industry before it was destroyed and stolen by the in coming slave raiders. The Igbo-Ukwu bronzes amazed the world with a very high level of technical and artistic proficiency and sophistication which was at this time distinctly more advanced than bronze casting in Europe.[2] Peter Garlake compares the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes “to the finest jewelry of rococo Europe or of Carl Faberge,”[3] and William Buller Fagg states they were created with “a strange rococo almost Faberge type virtuosity.”[4] Frank Willett says that the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes portray a standard that is comparable to that established by Benvenuto Cellini five hundred years later in Europe.[5] Denis Williams calls them “an exquisite explosion without antecedent or issue.”[6] One of the objects found, a water pot set in a mesh of simulated rope is described by Hugh Honour and John Fleming as

    A virtuoso feat of cire perdue (lost wax) casting. Its elegant design and refined detailing are matched by a level of technical accomplishment that is notably more advanced than European bronze casting of this period.[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_of_Igbo-Ukwu

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    The Benin empire was one of the most sophisticated empires in Africa
     
    I know. I've created one of those in my backyard a few weeks ago.
  192. oooff says:
    @dcite
    A lot of people here don't get out much, although your reference to the young and social media porn, is good information. I know white women who have dated, or even lived with/married, blacks. They are not fixated, as a rule. I don't know why, as I don't ask too many questions, but they mostly find out it just doesn't work. There is far more to life than sex, and I even wonder how that can really be compatible in races so different in their mentality, for so much of sex happens in the mind and heart. Even physically I recall the aversion to it when discussed in high school by more or less free spirited persons. You can get used to almost anything though. The success rate for bm/wf partners is very low, and has a very high incidence of violence. Wm/bf are more near the average rate of success, but even there the male half is in more danger than if he were with a white or Asian. There are successful bw marriages, but not many. Most of the sex is among young people who don't know what the hell they're doing, and just hope they use birth control, because they ALWAYS regret the results if they don't.
    btw, Caucasoid populations in Asia and parts of Africa have lived in close proximity for centuries, and envy on the part of the whites (as they call themselves) is not characteristic. More often, aspiration to more Caucasoid features is desired by both races.

    Regarding white women who date/marry black men, I believe the part about them not being fixated but it doesn’t matter because the damage is done. The issue is that social structure that has come to form where blacks are celebrated, their shortcomings are blamed on whites, and white abilities are said to come from cultural appropriation (if all black achievement in the past 500 years is total and quantified, does it equal howitzer canon?). Many white girls are left with mixed race children and a man must be the cuck of cucks to raise those kids. Maybe a great man would do it, but one thing is for sure: at the prime of her beauty, the wife gave herself to another man who doesn’t look like you. Overall destabalization takes place because no one wants to marry, or invest in a woman, if he believes she prefers something else. The male ego is too sensitive (a good thing as that can result in staggering amounts of productivity to provide for the mate).

    To anyone interested in the realities of interracial dating, I urge you to read r/happas. The sheer unadulterated pain in that forum should give anyone pause. People who dismiss it as sniveling are idiotic. There is a lot of pain in many interracial relationships; sometimes at the child’s level.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/

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  193. @Priss Factor
    Yeah, all five of them. Japan remains ca.98% racially Asian (fully Japanese).

    I didn't say Japan as of NOW is filled with Negroes.

    I said it may happen in the future.

    Why?

    Because even though there are few blacks in Japan now, Negropholia is a cancer in Japan, and cancer spreads. No matter how small it begins, it spread and spreads and never stops spreading.

    Even in the past, there were some blacks in Japan, mostly due to US military presence and rappers/jazz artists. But back then, Japan regarded them as a mere presence, not some ideal to promote. Things are different now.

    1. Japanese no longer have the kind of pride they did. Most Japanese grew up as only-child. This happened over three generations, and this means many Japanese have no uncles, aunts, cousins, nieces, nephews. The kind of Japanese family culture seen in Ozu films are gone.
    Instead, Japanese kids grew up as single kids identifying with comic books, video games, professional fighters, and etc. So, Japanese grew up as loners, not as members of family instilled with Japanese culture and identity.

    2. Japanese have become more accepting of foreign domination. The most sacred sport of Japan is sumo, but Japanese allowed Mongols to totally take over and break all records. Now, Mongols are East Asians and similar to Japanese, but this should be humiliating, but Japan just accepted it like a bitch. Mongols failed to invade Japan but now they did. But what is interesting is how Japanese didn't take measures to stop importation of Mongols. MORE were brought to whup Japanese even more. It wont' be long before Negroes enter and totally whup all Japanese and hump the ho's.

    3. Anime, manga, video games, and J-pop made Japanese favor fantasy over reality. Also, these are all trans-racial and Japanese are mentally wanna-be-whites. But there is growing rap culture, and Japanese are into black culture. Many Japanese girls try to be gangsta and grow up listening rap. This means many young Japanese feel more globo-Afro than Japanese.

    4. There is a whole subculture where Japanese women seek out black men. A military guy who spent a lot of time in Yokohama told me that many Japanese women are into jungaru fever. And Japanese men are a bunch of cucks. He told me cuck culture is there in Japan too. Japanese men have white men and black men hump their ho's, and cuck pornography is a big thing in Japan. Jus think about it. Japan has few blacks, but their culture is already like this.

    5. Already, children of Japanese women who went with blacks are making big splash in media and sports. Some mulatto was Ms. Japan, and mulatto Japanese win Olympic medals. This makes Japanese see mulatto-ism as a good thing since it wins blings for Japan. Never mind that these mulattoes are products of Japanese women rejecting Japanese men as inferior.

    In the past, there were some mulattoes in Japan, but Japanese treated them like other minorities. Nuisance that had to be tolerated. But now, Japanese are promoting such people as the new ideal.
    Also, as US dominates global discourse, mistreatment of blacks is a far bigger issue than, say, mistreating other minorities. So, Japanese have imbibed 'white guilt' and try to prove that it is a 'good nation' by being pro-black. This will remove stigma from race-mixing, and more Japanese women will go black and have mulatto babies. Blacks, like Jews and homos, must get special consideration since they are protected by globalism as special people. If Japanese mistreat Iranian minorities, who cares? But if some Negro cries 'racism' in Japan, it's in the NY Times.

    6. Japanese men have already lost sexual confidence. By some news accts, 50% of Japanese men have given up on sex and marriage and look forward to buying sex robots. And 80% of Japanese women say they are sexually unsatisfied. Now, combine those factors with globalism, Liberal Japanese media's promotion of diversity-blacks-interracism, and you now have a mechanism in place to expand more interracism with blacks.

    7. Japanese now feel morally defensive about their homogeneity. They don't feel proud of it and apologize when pressed about it. In the past, Japanese were proud about their homogeneity and wrote books about how Japanese are a unique people. Now, such ideas are absent, and Japanese media push interracism and diversity.

    So, when we take into account all these factors, the problem of interracism isn't just a wound. It is now a cancer, and it will accelerate.

    We are told that Shinzo Abe is right-wing and ultra-nationalist, but it's of no use. As Japan is whore nation of the US, it can't do much with its so-called nationalism. What matters is what happens among the people, and they are cucked, infantilized(with kawaii culture), atomized and isolated, and globalized.

    And Japanese women have lost respect in Japanese men who now act and talk like pansies and dorks. And easy travel makes it possible for Japanese women to seeking Negro men. And as it's no longer frowned upon by Japanese society, it will spread and spread. Also, Japanese women are raised to be whores. Their fathers are TV-addicted morons and their mothers are whores themselves into adultery and stuff.

    Japanese power was always collective and traditional. It's a delicate ecology. As individuals, Japanese are vulnerable. Japanese men are small and can be whupped by any man. Also, they are timid and lack personality. IN the past, Japanese men and women were part of a cultural ecology, and they married according to collective rules and customs. But as they've broken down, atomized Japanese men withdraw into video game land, and Japanese women seek out better men or watch TV soap for fantasy.

    It is a cancer.

    “Japanese now feel morally defensive about their homogeneity. They don’t feel proud of it and apologize when pressed about it. In the past, Japanese were proud about their homogeneity and wrote books about how Japanese are a unique people. Now, such ideas are absent, and Japanese media push interracism and diversity.”

    “And Japanese women have lost respect in Japanese men who now act and talk like pansies and dorks. And easy travel makes it possible for Japanese women to seeking Negro men. And as it’s no longer frowned upon by Japanese society, it will spread and spread. Also, Japanese women are raised to be whores. Their fathers are TV-addicted morons and their mothers are whores themselves into adultery and stuff.”

    “As individuals, Japanese are vulnerable. Japanese men are small and can be whupped by any man. Also, they are timid and lack personality. IN the past, Japanese men and women were part of a cultural ecology, and they married according to collective rules and customs. But as they’ve broken down, atomized Japanese men withdraw into video game land, and Japanese women seek out better men or watch TV soap for fantasy.”

    Perhaps you can show us the data that makes this reality and not just the personal opinions of a black willy obsessed troll that got his butt kicked by blacks in school, apparently engaged with blacks in fellatio, and comes to this site to spread gossip, half-truths, distortions and irrational personal opinions. Say, Prissy, have you ever lived in Japan?

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    He's talking out of his hat. Mostly made up.

    AGAIN. ca.98% of Japan is racially ethnically Japanese. As in BOTH sides of one's family are racially Japanese. Aside from the few US military who are stationed there, its extremely rare for ordinary Japanese to come into daily contact with blacks. Japanese isn't an easy language for whites to learn, much less for blacks.
  194. anarchyst says:

    I grew up in Detroit, and personally witnessed the destruction of a once-great city. There are a number of reasons for Detroit’s decline that have never been explored or discussed.
    1. “Blockbusting” by greedy real estate agents. Real estate agents would send out postcards with the following: “A new family is moving into your neighborhood. If you want to sell your house, please call me at xxx-xxxx”. A “new family” was a euphemism for black families, and was used to “encourage” whites to sell their homes.
    2. HUD (Housing and Urban Development) speculators and real estate hustlers conspired to buy up” and raze the best houses on every block, in certain sections of the city. Quite often, “shacks” were left standing while decent housing was purchased by HUD and razed. This was done purposely to depress property values, to make it easier for speculators to purchase properties at “bargain basement” prices.
    I realize that items 1 and 2 counteract each other and are at cross purposes, but they were a reality in 1960s Detroit.
    3. The 1967 riots did much to push whites out of Detroit. A little-known aspect of the Detroit riots was the application of spray-painted words on the exteriors of black-owned businesses. The words “soul brother” was spray-painted on businesses owned by blacks so that the “angels of death” (actually rioters) would spare them from destruction. Whole business districts around the city were destroyed, never to regain their former selves.
    4. The election of Coleman Alexander Young, Detroit’s first black mayor, who was overtly racist to Detroit’s white citizens while “getting along just fine” with the “movers and shakers” (big business people) of the day (as long as the campaign donations kept coming in)….
    5. The abolition of the STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets). This anti-criminal program was put in by mayor Young’s predecessor and was quite successful in “cleaning up the streets” of criminals. In this program, police officers would disguise themselves as vulnerable old people and walk through neighborhoods as “decoys”. Predatory criminals would attempt to rob these elderly citizens and quite often, were dispatched to “the great hereafter”. One of Young’s campaign promises was the abolition of the STRESS program as too many of “his people” were being eliminated. Upon the election of Young, the program was disbanded.
    These are 5 reasons for this once-great city’s demise.

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  195. anarchyst says:

    …the 1957 and 1964 “civil-rights” acts revoked our right to “freedom of association” (only for whites) and replaced it with government-backed, and forced “public accommodation”. Try selling your house only to someone of your own race. Try renting an apartment or house only to someone of your own race…you will be shut down, if there is even an inkling of “discrimination” against a “protected” minority…
    This unconstitutional behavior by government has gotten worse, with moslems, homosexuals, and soon, pedophiles becoming a part of the “protected” classes…since “civil-rights” laws DO NOT APPLY to white males. Our esteemed “attorney general” Loretta Lynch and the head of the so-called Justice Department’s (actually “just us”) “civil-rights” division has stated as such…
    Us white males have become third-class citizens in our own country. It would seem, that since whites are only 6% of the world’s population, we would be a part of the MOST protected class on the planet. Of course, that will never happen. Voluntary segregation is the only answer.
    The solution to the “real estate” problem is for a large landowner to offer parcels of land in a “trust” arrangement. This keeps the government out of the decision of WHO may purchase and enjoy the land. This is but one way to keep “undesirables” out without running afoul of the misguided “fair housing” laws…
    Us whites will have to come up with solutions on our own OUTSIDE of government control or intervention…

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  196. anarchyst says:

    It turns out that those whites of the 1950’s (myself included) that protested against forced integration were right, all along…
    Blacks were doing much better when they had their own institutions, businesses, social organizations, residential areas, etc.
    It was communists and other society destroyers (the “chosen” and other northern-based “carpetbaggers”) who are directly responsible for our present racial and social ills.
    I grew up during the first “civil-rights” era and have a decidedly different “take” on this whole “civil-rights movement” era. In fact, I saw for myself, what went on during those turbulent times.
    Despite the lies and fabrications by the so-called “mainstream media” the “civil-rights marches” in the South were not peaceful “gatherings” that were met with dogs and fire hoses, but were violent black confrontations that actually set back the “cause” of TRUE “civil-rights”. .
    The so-called “civil-rights” demonstrations were waves of lawlessness that disrupted the lives of peaceful citizens. There were many black citizens in these areas that were against these “outsiders” coming there to cause trouble. These “civil-rights” marchers committed crimes, rapes, robberies and other crimes, and trashed the areas they were protesting in. I WAS THERE . . . Of course, the cameras were turned off during the episodes of violence. . .then just as now, the news media could not “let a crisis go to waste” . . .
    It was mostly ACLU, $PLC and ADL types that riled things up. . .and then later on “melted into the woodwork” only to become “civil-rights” attorneys, race hustlers and poverty pimps.
    One incident comes to mind–the death of Mrs. Viola Liuzzo–Mrs. Liuzzo was a Detroit housewife who traveled to the “deep south” (without her husband) to run around with “freedom riders” at night–this was a recipe that was asking for trouble. What business did she have running around with blacks at night in the South while she had a family in Detroit?? Why did she put herself “in harms way”??
    I WAS THERE during the “civil-rights” disturbances and witnessed the misbehavior of these “civil-rights” groups (that never got reported). . .
    Of course, the “victors” write the history. To the victors–how does it feel now that those you pushed and supported are now turning on you??
    The so-called “news media” had an agenda then as it does now. White-on black crime (although relatively rare) is ALWAYS described as a “hate crime” where as black-on-white crime is NEVER described as a “hate crime”. . .Actually, ALL crimes are “hate crimes” . . .

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  197. anarchyst says:
    @Logan
    Sorry, but you are yourself misrepresenting both situations.

    Sure, Lincoln's Proclamation applied only the areas in rebellion. He had no authority to emancipate slaves except as a military action taken to suppress rebellion. He did, however, work consistently to emancipate slaves in Union states by state action. By his death, the only slaves remaining anywhere in the country were a couple hundred in DE and around 50,000 in KY.

    Re: the 3/5 bit. At the time of the Convention, it was widely assumed that states would be assessed by Congress as a tax, with it left up to the states how to raise those taxes. The contributions would be assessed based on population.

    Northern states wanted taxes assessed with slaves counted at full value, and with representation allocated with slaves not counted at all.

    Southern states wanted the opposite: slaves counted fully for representation and not at all for taxation.

    The compromise was at 3/5 for both. But it had nothing at all to do with whether slaves were considered people. Even southern legal systems never pretended otherwise. Slaves were always referred to as persons. Crimes committed against them could be prosecuted. At least two white men were hanged for murder of slaves.

    you sir, are incorrect. You are parroting what you learned in elementary school. Read the writings on the subject and you will come to the correct conclusion…

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    You may notice that when I disagreed with your comment, I did you the honor of taking your argument seriously and provided a detailed explanation of why I disagreed.

    You, OTOH, responded with the witheringly effective argument of, "You're wrong."

    Then you appear to suggest that I should do my own research in order to prove you right.
  198. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @nok
    The writer of this article is not only ignorant of African history, he is also a racist... Every thing he know about Africa is after the invasion of Africa by slave raiders who later became colonial masters. to which after their invasion of Africa, they deliberately destroyed,twisted and obliterate some parts of our history, destroyed our heritage, contaminated our value system and stole some of our artifacts which are littered in various museums round the world.

    He should do more research in to African history, culture and heritage..

    The Benin empire was one of the most sophisticated empires in Africa before it fell to the white invaders

    The fulani have had contacts with the Arabs long before the British conquest and they were literate in Arabic studies.


    The igbos of Nigeria had a well developed writing system know as the Nsibidi which they shared with the Effiks and ibibios. They also had a well developed and flourishing metallurgical industry before it was destroyed and stolen by the in coming slave raiders. The Igbo-Ukwu bronzes amazed the world with a very high level of technical and artistic proficiency and sophistication which was at this time distinctly more advanced than bronze casting in Europe.[2] Peter Garlake compares the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes "to the finest jewelry of rococo Europe or of Carl Faberge,"[3] and William Buller Fagg states they were created with "a strange rococo almost Faberge type virtuosity."[4] Frank Willett says that the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes portray a standard that is comparable to that established by Benvenuto Cellini five hundred years later in Europe.[5] Denis Williams calls them "an exquisite explosion without antecedent or issue."[6] One of the objects found, a water pot set in a mesh of simulated rope is described by Hugh Honour and John Fleming as

    A virtuoso feat of cire perdue (lost wax) casting. Its elegant design and refined detailing are matched by a level of technical accomplishment that is notably more advanced than European bronze casting of this period.[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_of_Igbo-Ukwu

    The Benin empire was one of the most sophisticated empires in Africa

    I know. I’ve created one of those in my backyard a few weeks ago.

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  199. @Corvinus
    "Ok, then get in line for reparations. Lord knows you and your kind deserve it for having ancestor(s) who were once enslaved. Go ahead. Apply for reparations for hundreds of yrs of slavery since the price paid to blacks hasn’t been paid in full as of 2017. Go ahead."

    Dude, I'm a white American man who is married with children. Besides, had you been paying closer attention, prominent black people have responded that slave reparation money would be foolishly spent.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W234NiTkBO4

    That’s not the same as saying that they unanimously are vs. receiving reparations. They missed getting it under Obama, but give it time, another administration will surely bring it up.

    Do show where they unanimously (via their appointed leaders) said, “Know what? We don’t want any free money thru reparations. Whitey, ya’ll can keep your money. We’re fine.” I mean, free give aways works for families of Michael Brown and others. Why not for the whole community in one fell swoop?

    Someone needs to inform Ta-Nehesi Coates that his community doesn’t want reparations, he seems to think its a legitimate issue to push.

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  200. @Anonymous White Male
    "Japanese now feel morally defensive about their homogeneity. They don’t feel proud of it and apologize when pressed about it. In the past, Japanese were proud about their homogeneity and wrote books about how Japanese are a unique people. Now, such ideas are absent, and Japanese media push interracism and diversity."

    "And Japanese women have lost respect in Japanese men who now act and talk like pansies and dorks. And easy travel makes it possible for Japanese women to seeking Negro men. And as it’s no longer frowned upon by Japanese society, it will spread and spread. Also, Japanese women are raised to be whores. Their fathers are TV-addicted morons and their mothers are whores themselves into adultery and stuff."

    "As individuals, Japanese are vulnerable. Japanese men are small and can be whupped by any man. Also, they are timid and lack personality. IN the past, Japanese men and women were part of a cultural ecology, and they married according to collective rules and customs. But as they’ve broken down, atomized Japanese men withdraw into video game land, and Japanese women seek out better men or watch TV soap for fantasy."

    Perhaps you can show us the data that makes this reality and not just the personal opinions of a black willy obsessed troll that got his butt kicked by blacks in school, apparently engaged with blacks in fellatio, and comes to this site to spread gossip, half-truths, distortions and irrational personal opinions. Say, Prissy, have you ever lived in Japan?

    He’s talking out of his hat. Mostly made up.

    AGAIN. ca.98% of Japan is racially ethnically Japanese. As in BOTH sides of one’s family are racially Japanese. Aside from the few US military who are stationed there, its extremely rare for ordinary Japanese to come into daily contact with blacks. Japanese isn’t an easy language for whites to learn, much less for blacks.

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  201. Logan says:
    @AndrewR
    Whiteness is on a spectrum. Swedes are whiter than Greeks. Greeks are whiter than Persians. Persians are whiter than Indians. North Indians are whiter than Dravidians, many of whom are completely non-white.

    Jews are a special case. They must always be considered non-white. A failure to do so allows them to subvert and dominate any white society.

    Fair enough. Thanks for playing.

    However, you have defined “whiteness” not as a race, but as a characteristic. Which means I’m less white than my BIL, who looks like an SS recruiting poster.

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    Well it's both. Your brother in law likely shares more genes with the average German than with the average Greek.
  202. Numinous says:

    black slaves were offered their freedom if they would only rise up against their masters. They in large part refused.

    Most likely because they weren’t sure if the North would succeed in winning the war, and not because the slaves and masters had “affectionate” relations. If the South won, there would be reprisals against the rebel slaves to match what the Romans did to Spartacus and his followers. This is “duh” on a gigantic scale.

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  203. Logan says:
    @anarchyst
    you sir, are incorrect. You are parroting what you learned in elementary school. Read the writings on the subject and you will come to the correct conclusion...

    You may notice that when I disagreed with your comment, I did you the honor of taking your argument seriously and provided a detailed explanation of why I disagreed.

    You, OTOH, responded with the witheringly effective argument of, “You’re wrong.”

    Then you appear to suggest that I should do my own research in order to prove you right.

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  204. Numinous says:
    @MarkinLA
    Roughly 11 million slaves are estimated to have come to the New World via the transatlantic trade;

    Not buying this given the types of ships that existed during the slave trade days. No more than a couple of hundred on a trip. Most would have had to be born here from slave parents. Where di this number come from?

    Not buying this given the types of ships that existed during the slave trade days. No more than a couple of hundred on a trip.

    Slaves were not guests in cabins. They were packed like sardines in the holds. Use your imagination.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {Slaves were not guests in cabins. They were packed like sardines in the holds. Use your imagination.}

    {No more than a couple of hundred on a trip.}

    Mayflower had 100 passengers and 30 crew.
    There would hardly be any 'guest cabins' on small ships of the time.
    Mayflower was about 100-feet long.

    And whether the slaves were packed like sardine or not, they had to able to move: to eat, to drink, to relieve themselves.

    So a 'cargo' of 200 slaves seems about right, given that regular passenger load was ~100.
    There is only so much room on a 100-foot ship.

  205. Black-White Relations in a nutshell.

    White boys get Knocked Out & White Girls get Knocked Up by Blacks.

    KO-KU or KoKu is future of the West.

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  206. Truth says:
    @dcite
    A lot of people here don't get out much, although your reference to the young and social media porn, is good information. I know white women who have dated, or even lived with/married, blacks. They are not fixated, as a rule. I don't know why, as I don't ask too many questions, but they mostly find out it just doesn't work. There is far more to life than sex, and I even wonder how that can really be compatible in races so different in their mentality, for so much of sex happens in the mind and heart. Even physically I recall the aversion to it when discussed in high school by more or less free spirited persons. You can get used to almost anything though. The success rate for bm/wf partners is very low, and has a very high incidence of violence. Wm/bf are more near the average rate of success, but even there the male half is in more danger than if he were with a white or Asian. There are successful bw marriages, but not many. Most of the sex is among young people who don't know what the hell they're doing, and just hope they use birth control, because they ALWAYS regret the results if they don't.
    btw, Caucasoid populations in Asia and parts of Africa have lived in close proximity for centuries, and envy on the part of the whites (as they call themselves) is not characteristic. More often, aspiration to more Caucasoid features is desired by both races.

    Wm/bf are more near the average rate of success,

    In every survey I’ve seen these are the happiest most successful marriages.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    Yeah - recently I came across this as well. A white husband/black wife are almost 45% less likely to divorce than white/white or any other racial combo with whites (even Asians).

    http://www.divorcesource.com/blog/interracial-marriage-and-divorce/

    That is a remarkably and significantly strong marriage combo. Good for them. Or are people going to talk about black wombs being colonized - perish the thought - heavens to mergatroid!

    Peace.

    Peace.
  207. Corvinus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty
    No, I caught it. And you are a cuck.

    “No, I caught it.”

    Only when it was pointed out to you. You completely missed it.

    “And you are a cuck.”

    That’s all you have in your verbal assault arsenal. Really pathetic.

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    No, it was immediately clear, it wasn't even remotely subtle, as you claimed.

    And you really are a cuck.
  208. Avery says:
    @Numinous

    Not buying this given the types of ships that existed during the slave trade days. No more than a couple of hundred on a trip.
     
    Slaves were not guests in cabins. They were packed like sardines in the holds. Use your imagination.

    {Slaves were not guests in cabins. They were packed like sardines in the holds. Use your imagination.}

    {No more than a couple of hundred on a trip.}

    Mayflower had 100 passengers and 30 crew.
    There would hardly be any ‘guest cabins’ on small ships of the time.
    Mayflower was about 100-feet long.

    And whether the slaves were packed like sardine or not, they had to able to move: to eat, to drink, to relieve themselves.

    So a ‘cargo’ of 200 slaves seems about right, given that regular passenger load was ~100.
    There is only so much room on a 100-foot ship.

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  209. @Corvinus
    "No, I caught it."

    Only when it was pointed out to you. You completely missed it.

    "And you are a cuck."

    That's all you have in your verbal assault arsenal. Really pathetic.

    No, it was immediately clear, it wasn’t even remotely subtle, as you claimed.

    And you really are a cuck.

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  210. Talha says:
    @Truth

    Wm/bf are more near the average rate of success,
     
    In every survey I've seen these are the happiest most successful marriages.

    Hey Truth,

    Yeah – recently I came across this as well. A white husband/black wife are almost 45% less likely to divorce than white/white or any other racial combo with whites (even Asians).

    http://www.divorcesource.com/blog/interracial-marriage-and-divorce/

    That is a remarkably and significantly strong marriage combo. Good for them. Or are people going to talk about black wombs being colonized – perish the thought – heavens to mergatroid!

    Peace.

    Peace.

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    • Agree: Truth
    • Replies: @dcite
    WM/BF are not going to marry unless they genuinely like each other, not just lust or "love." The percentage is small, odd, and people leave them to be. Also, women are always happier marrying up, and men always happier when they are the "up." Society in general is more comfortable with that arrangement. We live in a civilization created by whites (in every sense, good and bad), not by blacks. Cheap cotton may have enabled quicker development, but the United States was mainly a product of Yankee ingenuity. Everything blacks desire, however proud they may be of their color, they owe to modern civilization. Currently, the bf/wm combo is not a fetish or especially promoted in the way the wf/bm is. During slavery days, it was. The bm/wf is promoted to a creepy degree, by irresponsible people. Black women hate it, naturally. Most white women are not into it and wish to be left alone. White men are forced to pretend to go along. Even black men more often prefer their own race unless the wf act like, well, women of no virtue or self-awareness. Or awareness at all.

    Whatever happened a hundred, or 500 yrs ago, blacks today have never lived better or had more opportunities. You want to get someone to hate you bitterly, live in denial? Do them a favor. Best way to make enemies.
    , @epochehusserl
    I think race mixing is gross.
    , @üeljang
    The determinative factor (or, shall I say, the "weakest link") appears to be white females. They cause higher rates of divorce regardless of the partner, but especially when that partner is a non-white male. This pattern makes perfect sense if one has even a passing familiarity with members of various ethnic groups and understands that most non-white men will not let white women get away with being stupid, crazy, and/or lazy bitches just because they are white. White men are the most forgiving toward white women's failures, while black men are the least forgiving. Asian men appear to be intermediate but closer to black men in their treatment of white women.

    The divorce rate of white male/Asian female couples in that survey is slightly higher than that of white male/white female couples, but, if that result is significant at all, I suspect that it is related to the average quality of the individuals who end up in such relationships (who tend toward the low end in my experience) rather than compatibility of those racial groups in general. Conversely, the success rate of white male/black female couples is probably so extremely high because lower quality members of those groups are less likely to start a relationship in the first place.

  211. dcite says:
    @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    Yeah - recently I came across this as well. A white husband/black wife are almost 45% less likely to divorce than white/white or any other racial combo with whites (even Asians).

    http://www.divorcesource.com/blog/interracial-marriage-and-divorce/

    That is a remarkably and significantly strong marriage combo. Good for them. Or are people going to talk about black wombs being colonized - perish the thought - heavens to mergatroid!

    Peace.

    Peace.

    WM/BF are not going to marry unless they genuinely like each other, not just lust or “love.” The percentage is small, odd, and people leave them to be. Also, women are always happier marrying up, and men always happier when they are the “up.” Society in general is more comfortable with that arrangement. We live in a civilization created by whites (in every sense, good and bad), not by blacks. Cheap cotton may have enabled quicker development, but the United States was mainly a product of Yankee ingenuity. Everything blacks desire, however proud they may be of their color, they owe to modern civilization. Currently, the bf/wm combo is not a fetish or especially promoted in the way the wf/bm is. During slavery days, it was. The bm/wf is promoted to a creepy degree, by irresponsible people. Black women hate it, naturally. Most white women are not into it and wish to be left alone. White men are forced to pretend to go along. Even black men more often prefer their own race unless the wf act like, well, women of no virtue or self-awareness. Or awareness at all.

    Whatever happened a hundred, or 500 yrs ago, blacks today have never lived better or had more opportunities. You want to get someone to hate you bitterly, live in denial? Do them a favor. Best way to make enemies.

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    Hey dcite,

    I agree here that the race is not as significant as the right formula that makes a marriage work between a husband and wife. I've know plenty of Blacks (at least in the Muslim community) and one of the things they have mentioned is that, in their community, it is hard to find a reliable man who is husband material. So a good reliable husband is a fairly good catch. Likewise, from what I keep hearing on these forums is that white men are pretty pissed off that too many white women are ungrateful mates.

    A grateful wife and a husband who feels appreciated is a pretty solid combo.

    Whatever happened a hundred, or 500 yrs ago, everyone today has never lived better or had more opportunities. I live a life of ease that many of the princes of Persia would envy; climate control, ice cream - pretty nice!

    Peace.
  212. AndrewR says:
    @Logan
    Fair enough. Thanks for playing.

    However, you have defined "whiteness" not as a race, but as a characteristic. Which means I'm less white than my BIL, who looks like an SS recruiting poster.

    Well it’s both. Your brother in law likely shares more genes with the average German than with the average Greek.

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    • Replies: @Logan
    I'm half Swede and half German on dad's side, with English, Dutch, Scotch-Irish and some more German on my mother's side. But that side isn't traceable back far.

    OTOH, my BIL is 100% German, whatever that means given the history of how often Germany was fought across by invading armies.
  213. Ragno says:

    Shut up about race, McWhorter tells us, or you will be injured. Is this really the message National Review wishes to give its readers?

    What’s wrong with you?…..YES!

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  214. @Truth

    There was a game that white kids and black kids used to play together in 4th grade called ‘suck my dic*’. Kids would compete to see who could assemble the wooden puzzle faster, and the loser would have to ‘suck’ the winner’s thing.
     
    We were playing kickball and relay racing in 4th grade.

    We were playing kickball and relay racing in 4th grade.

    You kicked white balls and won all the races.

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    LOL;

    Dude, for your own health and mental sanity, PLEASE find a hobby.
  215. Talha says:
    @dcite
    WM/BF are not going to marry unless they genuinely like each other, not just lust or "love." The percentage is small, odd, and people leave them to be. Also, women are always happier marrying up, and men always happier when they are the "up." Society in general is more comfortable with that arrangement. We live in a civilization created by whites (in every sense, good and bad), not by blacks. Cheap cotton may have enabled quicker development, but the United States was mainly a product of Yankee ingenuity. Everything blacks desire, however proud they may be of their color, they owe to modern civilization. Currently, the bf/wm combo is not a fetish or especially promoted in the way the wf/bm is. During slavery days, it was. The bm/wf is promoted to a creepy degree, by irresponsible people. Black women hate it, naturally. Most white women are not into it and wish to be left alone. White men are forced to pretend to go along. Even black men more often prefer their own race unless the wf act like, well, women of no virtue or self-awareness. Or awareness at all.

    Whatever happened a hundred, or 500 yrs ago, blacks today have never lived better or had more opportunities. You want to get someone to hate you bitterly, live in denial? Do them a favor. Best way to make enemies.

    Hey dcite,

    I agree here that the race is not as significant as the right formula that makes a marriage work between a husband and wife. I’ve know plenty of Blacks (at least in the Muslim community) and one of the things they have mentioned is that, in their community, it is hard to find a reliable man who is husband material. So a good reliable husband is a fairly good catch. Likewise, from what I keep hearing on these forums is that white men are pretty pissed off that too many white women are ungrateful mates.

    A grateful wife and a husband who feels appreciated is a pretty solid combo.

    Whatever happened a hundred, or 500 yrs ago, everyone today has never lived better or had more opportunities. I live a life of ease that many of the princes of Persia would envy; climate control, ice cream – pretty nice!

    Peace.

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    Whatever happened a hundred, or 500 yrs ago, everyone today has never lived better or had more opportunities
     
    Very true.
    , @Epochehusserl
    Why is the life expectancy for whites going down then if everybody never lived better?
  216. annamaria says:

    “Soros-Sponsored Immigration Network Exposed In Italy:”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-16/soros-sponsored-immigration-network-exposed-italy

    “Why is there a migrant crisis in the Mediterranean? Why are NGOs involved? Because there is an extensive network of open borders activists and organizations behind it; many of them are directly funded by or cooperated with George Soros’ Open Society. Is it illegal? Not really. Political activism is an essential part of democratic societies. However, sometimes it goes too far, or the promoted causes prove to be either unrealistic or unsustainable.”

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  217. Truth says:
    @Priss Factor
    We were playing kickball and relay racing in 4th grade.

    You kicked white balls and won all the races.

    LOL;

    Dude, for your own health and mental sanity, PLEASE find a hobby.

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  218. dcite says:
    @Talha
    Hey dcite,

    I agree here that the race is not as significant as the right formula that makes a marriage work between a husband and wife. I've know plenty of Blacks (at least in the Muslim community) and one of the things they have mentioned is that, in their community, it is hard to find a reliable man who is husband material. So a good reliable husband is a fairly good catch. Likewise, from what I keep hearing on these forums is that white men are pretty pissed off that too many white women are ungrateful mates.

    A grateful wife and a husband who feels appreciated is a pretty solid combo.

    Whatever happened a hundred, or 500 yrs ago, everyone today has never lived better or had more opportunities. I live a life of ease that many of the princes of Persia would envy; climate control, ice cream - pretty nice!

    Peace.

    Whatever happened a hundred, or 500 yrs ago, everyone today has never lived better or had more opportunities

    Very true.

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  219. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    McWhorter also gives off a whiff of menace towards the end of his article. Another reason to avoid discussing race? Why, threat of violence, of course! Observe:

    As a topic whose discussion will yield injury, fury, and doubletalk with no countervailing benefits in terms of prescriptions for how society ought to operate, it ought be exempted from open discussion.

    McWorther says a very wise thing there. And I wonder why some pretend not to see it.

    “Truth” ‘s place is dense scientific tomes discussed by scholars among themselves, not for public knowledge and debate.
    This applies, and is being done presently, to many more topics than only IQ & Race.

    Take “love”.
    There is a definition of “love” for YouTube and Facebook (and the billions using them).
    Another one for other settings.
    One for sociobiology and psychology.
    And so on.

    Keeping a society together, every society even a group of 10 people, means not hurting/triggering envy pride, vanity, illusions and delusions, past a certain point.

    The mainstream accounts on intelligence (and other traits!) & race will have to be, well, tales tailored to the psychological needs of the public — as has always been and is, again, regarding a great number of questions.

    ************

    Do you hear, for example, of mainstream psychologists telling people what the real reasons for their “giving charity”, and drives under the institution of “charity organizations”/NGOs are?

    That it is all a way of rewarding their own ego for the small contributors, and for the leaders one to acquire power and renown?
    Say truth about any social reality, and you will see the object of your truth-saying crumble apart in an instant.

    Truth is society’s nemesis.

    Why should it be different as to cognitive ability, of all things?

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  220. Jwill says:
    @Corvinus
    "Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation"...

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand

    "a propensity for violence..."

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.

    "and much more promiscuous sexual behavior..."

    No, not quite.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/19/young-white-men-uk-most-hated-social-group-public-attitudes

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    "all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment."

    Sources or retract.

    "For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms."

    How would you rectify your proposal to the Second Amendment?

    "Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren’t so sad."

    A number of white people elected Donald Trump, whose stupidity is legendary.

    You may disagree with Trump, but you don’t survive in high end commercial real estate by being stupid.

    Most of our political leaders wouldn’t last a day in that world

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  221. Dissident says:
    @Priss Factor
    Here’s a dictum I have read now and again on the internet: “an organization that isn’t explicitly anti-Left will eventually be swallowed up by the Left.”

    But the 'left' changed so much.

    Looks like the classic left is gone for good, and the new left got swallowed by capitalist consumer decadence.

    And look at China. Maoism lost out to capitalism and nationalism.

    And Soviet Union gave way to what became eventually conservative Russia.

    We keep hearing that the 'left' won the culture war, but no classic leftist would consider 'gay marriage' and '50 gender' degeneracy as anything leftist.

    No, Jewish Supremacists won, and they use homomania as proxy of bogus 'progressivism'.

    In the 90s, Democrats went 'new democrat' and adopted much of Reagan-Thatcherism.
    And Hillary turned into jingo-globo-imperialist, far worse than Johnson-Nixon put together.
    'Leftists' made peace with ultra-militarists.

    We keep hearing that the ‘left’ won the culture war, but no classic leftist would consider ‘gay marriage’ and ’50 gender’ degeneracy as anything leftist.

    Quite true, I believe and a point that seems mostly forgotten (by those old enough to have ever known it)/ little-known today.

    It is Cultural Marxists who are behind such lunacy as “Transgenderism”[1] and what you aptly call “homomania”[2]. In the piece I linked, Paul Gottfried, in explaining the origin and history of the term Cultural Marxism, acknowledges that it is problematic but presents an argument in favor of its use nonetheless.

    At any rate, cultural termite, a term I picked-up several years back from a Taki Mag commentor, would certainly fit those who promote the kind of insidious, pernicious, utterly corrosive filth that we are talking about here.

    No, Jewish Supremacists won, and they use homomania as proxy of bogus ‘progressivism’.

    Cultural Marxists and “Progressives” may be disproportionately of Jewish heritage (and even Jewish /identity/) but such individuals (and organizations) are very far from practicing or representing Judaism. (So-called “Reform Judaism” or “Liberal Judaism” are not to be confused with Judaism.)

    Zionism should also not be confused with Judaism.

    ‘Leftists’ made peace with ultra-militarists.

    Many did but not all.

    NOTES:
    [1] “Transgenderism”= Denial of the immutability of sex*, an objective reality. (*”Gender” is a linguistic construct.) This insanity has reached the point of the sanctioning — and even mandating– of irreversible damage being done to confused, innocent, young children.

    [2] “Homomania” = Promotion of all of the following:

    – The manifest falsehoods that homosexuality is (a) equivalent to heterosexuality, and, (b) without exception, both innate as well as immutable. Both are doctrinal assertions that defy much objective, often overwhelming evidence.

    – Extensive, nearly total /conflation/ of /feelings/ with /behavior/.

    – Extensive, nearly total conflation of the specific act of anal penetration with male homosexual behavior, /per se/. (Graphic content)

    – Extensive whitewashing and downplaying– at the direct expense of public health– of the overwhelmingly negative anatomical, physiological, psychological, aesthetic and social realities of anal penetration, an act that spreads deadly disease at a rate far higher than any other sex act.

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  222. Dissident says:
    @Corvinus
    "Blacks are not only, on average, less intelligent than whites they also have less impulse control, a much shorter future-time orientation"...

    Actually, whites have a much shorter future-time orientation on average.

    http://akarlin.com/2012/08/why-russia-needs-a-strong-hand

    "a propensity for violence..."

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.

    "and much more promiscuous sexual behavior..."

    No, not quite.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/19/young-white-men-uk-most-hated-social-group-public-attitudes

    https://psmag.com/social-justice/and-the-prize-for-promiscuity-goes-to-generation-x

    "all probably a result of evolving in a high disease load tropical environment."

    Sources or retract.

    "For example, it ought to be increasingly obvious to everyone that blacks simply should not have access to firearms."

    How would you rectify your proposal to the Second Amendment?

    "Blacks elect representatives (e.g., Hank Johnson, who does not know that islands are anchored to the seabed and fears that they can tip over) whose stupidity is so manifest that the notion that he ought to be voting on laws to which whites will be subject would be laughable if if weren’t so sad."

    A number of white people elected Donald Trump, whose stupidity is legendary.

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.

    That may very well be correct. The fact remains, however, that even when socio-economic and all other factors have been accounted-for, Blacks still commit violent crimes at a rate many times higher than Whites do. The statistics are clear and overwhelming. (And, if anything, there is reason to suspect that the actual rates of Black crime are even higher than those reflected in the statistics.

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/

    http://www.vdare.com/users/nicholas-stix )

    If this were not the case, then the violent crime rates for White Appalachia, perhaps the poorest region of the U.S., would be comparable to those for poor Black areas. But they’re not. Nowhere close.

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    "That may very well be correct. The fact remains, however, that even when socio-economic and all other factors have been accounted-for, Blacks still commit violent crimes at a rate many times higher than Whites do. The statistics are clear and overwhelming."

    Absolutely no denying that fact. But, again, is that criminality based on genetics or environment?

    "If this were not the case, then the violent crime rates for White Appalachia, perhaps the poorest region of the U.S., would be comparable to those for poor Black areas. "

    Two different environments.
  223. @Talha
    Hey dcite,

    I agree here that the race is not as significant as the right formula that makes a marriage work between a husband and wife. I've know plenty of Blacks (at least in the Muslim community) and one of the things they have mentioned is that, in their community, it is hard to find a reliable man who is husband material. So a good reliable husband is a fairly good catch. Likewise, from what I keep hearing on these forums is that white men are pretty pissed off that too many white women are ungrateful mates.

    A grateful wife and a husband who feels appreciated is a pretty solid combo.

    Whatever happened a hundred, or 500 yrs ago, everyone today has never lived better or had more opportunities. I live a life of ease that many of the princes of Persia would envy; climate control, ice cream - pretty nice!

    Peace.

    Why is the life expectancy for whites going down then if everybody never lived better?

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    Hey Epochehusserl,

    We've never lived better materially - there is no doubt about this. On my way to work I pass multiple houses in upper class neighborhoods that would have only been afforded by dukes or earls in the past. When you go to the store - you don't simply buy "orange juice" or "milk" like I did as a kid, you stand there bewildered by the number of choices you have.

    What's helping to kill us is our gluttony and inability to control our desires. It is not normal for so people to eat this much or be this lazy or walk through life without any purpose. Perhaps it is because we are so well off that human beings are malfunctioning - maybe we are not meant to be this well off.

    Peace.

  224. Talha says:
    @Epochehusserl
    Why is the life expectancy for whites going down then if everybody never lived better?

    Hey Epochehusserl,

    We’ve never lived better materially – there is no doubt about this. On my way to work I pass multiple houses in upper class neighborhoods that would have only been afforded by dukes or earls in the past. When you go to the store – you don’t simply buy “orange juice” or “milk” like I did as a kid, you stand there bewildered by the number of choices you have.

    What’s helping to kill us is our gluttony and inability to control our desires. It is not normal for so people to eat this much or be this lazy or walk through life without any purpose. Perhaps it is because we are so well off that human beings are malfunctioning – maybe we are not meant to be this well off.

    Peace.

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  225. @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    Yeah - recently I came across this as well. A white husband/black wife are almost 45% less likely to divorce than white/white or any other racial combo with whites (even Asians).

    http://www.divorcesource.com/blog/interracial-marriage-and-divorce/

    That is a remarkably and significantly strong marriage combo. Good for them. Or are people going to talk about black wombs being colonized - perish the thought - heavens to mergatroid!

    Peace.

    Peace.

    I think race mixing is gross.

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  226. Talha says:

    Hey epochehusserl,

    Can’t really argue with opinions – to each his own.

    Peace.

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  227. üeljang says:
    @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    Yeah - recently I came across this as well. A white husband/black wife are almost 45% less likely to divorce than white/white or any other racial combo with whites (even Asians).

    http://www.divorcesource.com/blog/interracial-marriage-and-divorce/

    That is a remarkably and significantly strong marriage combo. Good for them. Or are people going to talk about black wombs being colonized - perish the thought - heavens to mergatroid!

    Peace.

    Peace.

    The determinative factor (or, shall I say, the “weakest link”) appears to be white females. They cause higher rates of divorce regardless of the partner, but especially when that partner is a non-white male. This pattern makes perfect sense if one has even a passing familiarity with members of various ethnic groups and understands that most non-white men will not let white women get away with being stupid, crazy, and/or lazy bitches just because they are white. White men are the most forgiving toward white women’s failures, while black men are the least forgiving. Asian men appear to be intermediate but closer to black men in their treatment of white women.

    The divorce rate of white male/Asian female couples in that survey is slightly higher than that of white male/white female couples, but, if that result is significant at all, I suspect that it is related to the average quality of the individuals who end up in such relationships (who tend toward the low end in my experience) rather than compatibility of those racial groups in general. Conversely, the success rate of white male/black female couples is probably so extremely high because lower quality members of those groups are less likely to start a relationship in the first place.

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    Hey ueljang,

    White men are the most forgiving toward white women’s failures
     
    Possibly. I can tell you that plenty of White men on UNZ are constantly complaining about White women every time the subject comes up. I'm married to a wonderful white woman, but she is not indicative of the majority population. It seems White women may be (out of all the various groups) most likely to be influenced by feminism which just causes issues in general.

    The rest of your points seem like valid observations, again just speaking from what I've read about - which is honestly not a whole lot. It would be nice if, in the case of these divorces some questions were asked as to why they were happening; financial, spousal abuse, infidelity, etc.

    On the White male/Asian female thing, I asked my wife about this as she has a Masters in Family Therapy/Counseling. She said, that when they had read up on it, there was a trend in general that when people marry outside their group, they are doing it to escape the stereotypes of their own group but they likely marry into another group based on presuppositions that they have about that one.

    So for instance, the White male assumes he is marrying an Asian female who will be more submissive in character than a normal White female. But if the Asian woman is raised in the West, she might be marrying the White male in order to escape the pressure in her culture to be submissive. Thus this may lead to a result that is mixed up based upon the intentions of both parties.

    Peace.
    , @hoops
    Genius. You justified legal sexual slavery for white women.
    Have you considered, hare-lip, that you're on the low-end of the IQ (Irrelevant Quotient) distribution and even lower on the sexual appeal spectrum for your own reasons? Go out and capture a woman, I know you're thinking about it. Don't actually submit to natural selection yourself. That's for undesirables.
  228. Talha says:
    @üeljang
    The determinative factor (or, shall I say, the "weakest link") appears to be white females. They cause higher rates of divorce regardless of the partner, but especially when that partner is a non-white male. This pattern makes perfect sense if one has even a passing familiarity with members of various ethnic groups and understands that most non-white men will not let white women get away with being stupid, crazy, and/or lazy bitches just because they are white. White men are the most forgiving toward white women's failures, while black men are the least forgiving. Asian men appear to be intermediate but closer to black men in their treatment of white women.

    The divorce rate of white male/Asian female couples in that survey is slightly higher than that of white male/white female couples, but, if that result is significant at all, I suspect that it is related to the average quality of the individuals who end up in such relationships (who tend toward the low end in my experience) rather than compatibility of those racial groups in general. Conversely, the success rate of white male/black female couples is probably so extremely high because lower quality members of those groups are less likely to start a relationship in the first place.

    Hey ueljang,

    White men are the most forgiving toward white women’s failures

    Possibly. I can tell you that plenty of White men on UNZ are constantly complaining about White women every time the subject comes up. I’m married to a wonderful white woman, but she is not indicative of the majority population. It seems White women may be (out of all the various groups) most likely to be influenced by feminism which just causes issues in general.

    The rest of your points seem like valid observations, again just speaking from what I’ve read about – which is honestly not a whole lot. It would be nice if, in the case of these divorces some questions were asked as to why they were happening; financial, spousal abuse, infidelity, etc.

    On the White male/Asian female thing, I asked my wife about this as she has a Masters in Family Therapy/Counseling. She said, that when they had read up on it, there was a trend in general that when people marry outside their group, they are doing it to escape the stereotypes of their own group but they likely marry into another group based on presuppositions that they have about that one.

    So for instance, the White male assumes he is marrying an Asian female who will be more submissive in character than a normal White female. But if the Asian woman is raised in the West, she might be marrying the White male in order to escape the pressure in her culture to be submissive. Thus this may lead to a result that is mixed up based upon the intentions of both parties.

    Peace.

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    Lived for a number of years in northern NM back in the 80s. Wife became good friends with quite a few of the local "Spanish" women. NOT Mexicans, as they would insist. Their ancestors had been living in the area since before the Mayflower.

    The ladies were indifferent about who their sons might marry, but without exception they wanted their daughters to marry Anglos, as they universally believed Anglo men treated their women better.

    FWIW
  229. Corvinus says:
    @Dissident

    Poorer people regardless of race have an increased likelihood to engage in violence.
     
    That may very well be correct. The fact remains, however, that even when socio-economic and all other factors have been accounted-for, Blacks still commit violent crimes at a rate many times higher than Whites do. The statistics are clear and overwhelming. (And, if anything, there is reason to suspect that the actual rates of Black crime are even higher than those reflected in the statistics.
    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/
    http://www.vdare.com/users/nicholas-stix )

    If this were not the case, then the violent crime rates for White Appalachia, perhaps the poorest region of the U.S., would be comparable to those for poor Black areas. But they're not. Nowhere close.

    “That may very well be correct. The fact remains, however, that even when socio-economic and all other factors have been accounted-for, Blacks still commit violent crimes at a rate many times higher than Whites do. The statistics are clear and overwhelming.”

    Absolutely no denying that fact. But, again, is that criminality based on genetics or environment?

    “If this were not the case, then the violent crime rates for White Appalachia, perhaps the poorest region of the U.S., would be comparable to those for poor Black areas. ”

    Two different environments.

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    • Replies: @Logan
    The white Appalachian environment isn't very different from that of poor rural blacks in the South. Or at least the physical environment isn't very different. The cultural environment might be very different, though the family breakdown and drug use problems seem to be similar.

    Compare crime rates in those two areas and you've got something like apples to apples.

    According to this source, the overall crime rate in Appalachia is 2/3 the national average, and the violent crime rate is half the national average.

    http://theweek.com/articles/452321/appalachia-big-white-ghetto

    Don't know what it is in the Black Belt, but I bet it's a good bit higher.

  230. Logan says:
    @AndrewR
    Well it's both. Your brother in law likely shares more genes with the average German than with the average Greek.

    I’m half Swede and half German on dad’s side, with English, Dutch, Scotch-Irish and some more German on my mother’s side. But that side isn’t traceable back far.

    OTOH, my BIL is 100% German, whatever that means given the history of how often Germany was fought across by invading armies.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Modern Germany, like modern italy, is younger than the United States.

    People in the north of Germany look a lot different than Bavarians, many of which could pass for Southern Italian or Spanish, a few, even Portuguese.
  231. Logan says:
    @Corvinus
    "That may very well be correct. The fact remains, however, that even when socio-economic and all other factors have been accounted-for, Blacks still commit violent crimes at a rate many times higher than Whites do. The statistics are clear and overwhelming."

    Absolutely no denying that fact. But, again, is that criminality based on genetics or environment?

    "If this were not the case, then the violent crime rates for White Appalachia, perhaps the poorest region of the U.S., would be comparable to those for poor Black areas. "

    Two different environments.

    The white Appalachian environment isn’t very different from that of poor rural blacks in the South. Or at least the physical environment isn’t very different. The cultural environment might be very different, though the family breakdown and drug use problems seem to be similar.

    Compare crime rates in those two areas and you’ve got something like apples to apples.

    According to this source, the overall crime rate in Appalachia is 2/3 the national average, and the violent crime rate is half the national average.

    http://theweek.com/articles/452321/appalachia-big-white-ghetto

    Don’t know what it is in the Black Belt, but I bet it’s a good bit higher.

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  232. Logan says:
    @Talha
    Hey ueljang,

    White men are the most forgiving toward white women’s failures
     
    Possibly. I can tell you that plenty of White men on UNZ are constantly complaining about White women every time the subject comes up. I'm married to a wonderful white woman, but she is not indicative of the majority population. It seems White women may be (out of all the various groups) most likely to be influenced by feminism which just causes issues in general.

    The rest of your points seem like valid observations, again just speaking from what I've read about - which is honestly not a whole lot. It would be nice if, in the case of these divorces some questions were asked as to why they were happening; financial, spousal abuse, infidelity, etc.

    On the White male/Asian female thing, I asked my wife about this as she has a Masters in Family Therapy/Counseling. She said, that when they had read up on it, there was a trend in general that when people marry outside their group, they are doing it to escape the stereotypes of their own group but they likely marry into another group based on presuppositions that they have about that one.

    So for instance, the White male assumes he is marrying an Asian female who will be more submissive in character than a normal White female. But if the Asian woman is raised in the West, she might be marrying the White male in order to escape the pressure in her culture to be submissive. Thus this may lead to a result that is mixed up based upon the intentions of both parties.

    Peace.

    Lived for a number of years in northern NM back in the 80s. Wife became good friends with quite a few of the local “Spanish” women. NOT Mexicans, as they would insist. Their ancestors had been living in the area since before the Mayflower.

    The ladies were indifferent about who their sons might marry, but without exception they wanted their daughters to marry Anglos, as they universally believed Anglo men treated their women better.

    FWIW

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    Hey Logan,

    as they universally believed Anglo men treated their women better
     
    I don't think there is much doubt that Anglos (and a lot of Western Europeans) put a high bar on the good treatment of women. That is a good and chivalrous thing. In some cultures domestic violence is endemic which is deplorable. Of course, some might say the Anglos have over compensated:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tctvupaQe8A

    Peace.
  233. Talha says:
    @Logan
    Lived for a number of years in northern NM back in the 80s. Wife became good friends with quite a few of the local "Spanish" women. NOT Mexicans, as they would insist. Their ancestors had been living in the area since before the Mayflower.

    The ladies were indifferent about who their sons might marry, but without exception they wanted their daughters to marry Anglos, as they universally believed Anglo men treated their women better.

    FWIW

    Hey Logan,

    as they universally believed Anglo men treated their women better

    I don’t think there is much doubt that Anglos (and a lot of Western Europeans) put a high bar on the good treatment of women. That is a good and chivalrous thing. In some cultures domestic violence is endemic which is deplorable. Of course, some might say the Anglos have over compensated:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tctvupaQe8A

    Peace.

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  234. Logan says:
    @iffen
    Because Europeans who went to Africa died.

    Which also explains how some of the mulatto descendants of those first Europeans became the "middle men" in part of the slave trade for a few hundred years.

    Also why Portugal was the only European country with some success at establishing colonies and such in Africa prior to the 19th century. The Portuguese had a considerable strain of African blood from the Moops and from slaves introduced in the late medieval and early modern periods and assimilated into the population.

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  235. MEH 0910 says:

    John McWhorter discussing his National Review piece with Glenn Loury on Bloggingheads.tv:

    https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/46919