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New Zealand is in a state of mass hysteria in the wake of the Christchurch mosque shootings, which even a few mainstream media pundits are starting to question, and some are calling for calm reason. A few honest liberals are also questioning the demand for the introduction of “hate speech laws.” Hypocrisy and unreason have flooded New Zealand more so than the voices of calm, however, as there is a large amount of political mileage that can be made.

This has made some strange bedfellows, as imams have shared platforms with Trotskyites and “rainbow socialists” in condemning the bogeyman of “white supremacy” and “Right-wing extremism” as a “global threat to mankind,” in the view of one such imam. What then do Trotskyites, liberals, and “rainbow socialists” on the one hand, and Muslims on the other, really make of one another? The doctrines are incompatible, but hypocrisy submerges the differences. The slogan “we are one; they are us,” that has become as pervasive as something out of Mao’s Little Red Book during the Cultural Revolution, has become a mantra to prove one’s commitment to the totalitarian atmosphere of liberal dogma. Cynical politicization of the tragedy is the unifying factor. Any who are reticent are looked on not merely as heretics, but as potential murderers. The atmosphere makes the dreaded “McCarthyism” of Left-liberal nightmares pale in comparison. Anyone critical of multiculturalism and issues such as the United Nations’ Global Compact on Migration is fair game. The term “Alt Right” is bandied about in association with “white supremacy,” Donald Trump, Viktor Orbán, ad infinitum, and into the center of this ever-expanding hit-list has been placed the Australian gunman, Brenton Tarrant.

Heirs of Robespierre

Analyzing two articles – “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group with a ‘harmful and violent’ ideology” and “White nationalists ‘will re-emerge’ after falling silent over Christchurch mosque shootings” by Dominion Post reporter Thomas Manch – is instructive as to the mind-set of liberal totalitarians who perhaps aspire to become Robespierre’s heirs.

Manch focuses on the Identitarian youth group, the Dominion Movement (DM), which I know something about. Dominion Movement recently celebrated its first year, when dozens of delegates from around New Zealand gathered for a convention and social. They were far removed from the stereotype portrayed by Manch and others. However, DM has withdrawn and apparently gone into “hiatus” because they could foresee from the first day that the atmosphere engendered by the Christchurch shootings would make an already precarious position as Identitarians impossible, and perhaps even dangerous, given the inflammatory language of journalists, politicians, and academics. Manch’s articles indicate the extent to which those in privileged positions will go to impose conformity by taking advantage of the hysteria.

Both articles begin by lauding a so-called “peace rally” at Auckland, organized by a group founded to oppose any expression of Right-wing opinions: “Love Aotearoa, Hate Racism.” This outfit seems to be focused on “gay socialists,” and the merchandise they sell includes rainbow-colored clenched-first t-shirts. Other groups which organized the event included Socialist Aotearoa, Unite, and Organise Aotearoa; the first is a Trotskyite organization, the second a union founded by Communists, and the third an undefined Communist organization. That an imam was willing to share a platform with such groups indicates the level of hypocrisy and the cynical exploitation of the deaths of fifty Muslims for political agendas that is occurring among those whose beliefs are antithetical. Nothing is ever said, however, about these extreme Left-wing connections. The Auckland “peace rally” was an anti-white hatefest, with Maori spokespersons using the opportunity to condemn “colonialism.” It was so politicized that Muslims and liberals walked out in disgust, and there has even been some mainstream criticism.

Tarred with the same brush

According to Manch, “The alleged Christchurch mosque shooter outlined his motivation in a manifesto that’s now banned. His racist views are aligned with those espoused by a group of young white supremacists who have, until now, openly campaigned against so-called ‘immigrant masses’.”[1]Thomas Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group with a ‘harmful and violent’ ideology,” Stuff, March 26, 2019. The allusion is to the Dominion Movement, and nothing within the first sentence is a legitimate description of it. If white identity implies “white supremacy,” then any form of “identity politics” implies a xenophobic viewpoint, whether based on ethnicity or gender. However, the appellation of “supremacy” is only applicable to “white identity.” This is based on the doctrine that only white people can be “racist.”

The association of Tarrant’s views with those of DM aims to show an ideological continuum that leads to violence. Indeed, the headline describes the ideology as “harmful and violent”: “A leading member of the group identified by Stuff in some of its earliest published material, hung up when contacted last week and has not responded to further requests for an interview.”[2]Ibid.
(Thomas Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group with a ‘harmful and violent’ ideology,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.)
Given the hysteria and the attempts to vilify anyone with Right-wing views, the reporter’s attempt to “out” a member of DM is itself an act of dangerous provocation and intimidation. If the young DM member had been identified and targeted, would Manch have been held accountable for provoking violence? Of course not. The news media is not accountable. As all members of DM knew, nothing could be gained by communicating with reporters, and Manch’s articles confirm that. They decided this policy from the start.

But while the group publicly opposes violence and illegal activity, experts warn its white supremacist politics are inherently harmful. Professor Greg Barton, chair of global Islamic politics at Australia’s Deakin University, says the group’s material follows the same European identitarian ideology it appears motivated the Christchurch mosque shooting suspect. “They don’t want to project themselves as being white supremacists but, of course, when you dig deeper that’s what you get,” Barton says.[3]Ibid.
(Thomas Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group with a ‘harmful and violent’ ideology,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.)

Barton is using the same rationale as Islamophobes. Let us put it in those terms, using Barton’s phraseology:

But while the Islamic Federation publicly opposes violence and illegal activity, experts warn its Qur’anic beliefs are inherently harmful. The Federation’s material follows the same ideology that appears to motivate the Islamic State. They don’t want to project themselves as being terrorist sympathizers but, of course, when you dig deeper, that’s what you get.

Professor Barton’s likely assumption is that most New Zealand readers will not know what “European identitarian ideology” is, and will assume that an academic is trustworthy. The average New Zealander will not know that the youth movement, Generation Identity, is a revolt against the hedonism, puerility, and consumer rootlessness of the 1968 revolution. Because it is a European phenomenon, it is labelled “white supremacy,” because such a response does not require any depth of analysis, even from within the hallowed hallways of academia. The description is intellectually lazy, but perhaps also better explained as easily fulfilling a political agenda. Professor Barton’s comment about “when you dig deeper” is precisely what will not be undertaken by liberal journalists or academics.

The political activist scene in New Zealand is small, which leads Barton to believe the suspect would have known of the “Dominion Movement”. “Given he’s been around [New Zealand] the last [two] years, I’m sure this is something the authorities are following up.[4]Ibid.
(Thomas Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group with a ‘harmful and violent’ ideology,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.)

“Bugger this”

Professor Barton is here being as reckless as Mr. Manch. Both are attempting to criminalize a group of young people, possibly with dire consequences. There is no reason to suppose that Tarrant had any contact with DM. The organization vetted its contacts rather well, and eschewed anyone with sociopathic tendencies.

“You would expect a group that’s operating above ground, at least until recently, would by definition profess to be non-violent; that’s part of the challenge for the authorities. They profess to be standing up for victims, they see themselves as victims of a grand conspiracy . . . but of course you then have off-shoots going off and doing violent things. That’s part of the challenge for authorities is to spot somebody who says, ‘bugger this waiting around . . . I’m going to go do something’.”[5]Ibid.
(Thomas Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group with a ‘harmful and violent’ ideology,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.)

Again, applying an Islamophobic critique and using Professor Barton’s rationale:

You would expect the Islamic Federation would by definition profess to be non-violent; that’s part of the challenge for the authorities. They profess to be standing up for victims, they see themselves as victims of a grand white supremacist conspiracy . . . but of course you then have off-shoots going off and doing violent things. That’s part of the challenge for authorities is to spot somebody who says

التافه هذا في انتظار … أنا ذاهب للقيام بشيء

What justification does Professor Barton have for assuming that every such group is latently violent, and that any claim to non-violence is nothing but a façade? He asserts an implication that all who profess Rightist views are paranoid types who believe they are victims of a “grand conspiracy.” Professor Barton should have stuck with Islamic studies. Ironically, Muslims, more than any other group, are often stereotyped as being prone to conspiratorial beliefs.[6]Jan-Willem van Prooijen, et al., “Increased conspiracy beliefs among ethnic and Muslim minorities,” Applied Cognitive Psychology, Vol. 3w2, No. 5, September/October 2018, pp. 661-667; and Medhi Hasan, “Inside jobs and Israeli stooges: why is the Muslim world in thrall to conspiracy theories,” New Statesman America, September 5, 2014.

Yes, the young chaps at DM did say, “Bugger this waiting around . . . I’m going to go do something”; they educated themselves; wrote articles at a scholarly standard; trained physically; tramped, camped, and cleaned beaches; removed graffiti; and put up posters and stickers. Their focus was on self-development on the premise that a healthier society starts with the will of the individual. Their raison d’etre was to get young people motivated to transcend the liberal-consumer society and reach for values from out of their own heritage, while liberating themselves from the induced guilt of “colonialism.”

Naturally, Mr. Manch and Professor Barton see a nefarious façade in all of this; a violent latency inherent in the ideology. “‘The group’s website, closed to those without a log-in on March 15, initially displayed a message saying it in no way condoned the attack, would cease operations immediately, and never ‘had any communication or association with the perpetrator’.”[7]Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group,” op. cit. The first page of the DM Website from the start had a permanent message, and a warning:

Disclaimer: We do not condone or promote violence of any kind. Anyone promoting violence or illegal activities of any kind will be promptly removed. We seek change through education and self-improvement.

But it was just part of a cunning plan, to promote violence by claiming to eschew violence. Maybe it was being dialectical?

Eco-fascist

One might begin to suspect that Mr. Manch and Professor Barton are seeing a “grand conspiracy”:

The dedication to environmentalism and personal betterment is strongly reminiscent of views expressed in the Christchurch shooting suspect’s manifesto. The suspect described himself as a [sic] eco-fascist, was said to have obsessively worked out at a Dunedin gym, and encouraged violence against drug dealers.[8]Ibid.
(Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group,” op. cit.)

Here, at least, I must concede that Mr. Manch has finally provided some material that really is plausible. Not only did DM share Tarrant’s horrendous views on politics, but they had a common interest in physical fitness, “personal betterment,” and a clean environment. To paraphrase Professor Barton, “part of the challenge for authorities is to spot” those who attend gym and tidy up beaches. Quite often, school children are sent to clean rubbish from the beaches. This implies a sinister conspiracy to inculcate extreme Rightist, white supremacist ideas in children. After all, Hitler’s Germany enacted pioneering environmental laws. There might also be something suspicious about vegetarians, given the Führer’s diet. Already, New Zealand has been subjected to Nazi health laws, when the Labour government banned smoking in public places: pure Hitlerism, and indeed one Member of Parliament, Peter Dunne, commented at the time that they were “health Nazis.” As for the Labour government’s alliance with the Green Party, what are we to make of that? The creeping menace of “eco-fascism” is occurring at the highest echelons of government.

The security intelligence agencies which, according to Prime Minster Jacinda Adern, the “princess of world peace” and future General Secretary of the UNO, now have a special interest in the Right, should prepare a watch list that includes:

  • ecofascists, including Green Peace and the Green Party;
  • Health Nazis, including vegetarians and anti-tobacco campaigners;
  • teachers who impose forced labor on their pupils by making them clean beaches;
  • everyone who owns, staffs, or attends a gymnasium;
  • anyone who works out using fitness programs, publicly or privately; and
  • all trampers and campers.

These categories are each indicative of latent fascism, and hence of potential terrorism.

They have been active on the website of prominent white nationalist group the National Front, and have earned the support of a senior figurehead of New Zealand’s nationalist movement.[9]Ibid.
(Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group,” op. cit.)

DM was not associated with the NZ National Front (NF), and had no wish to be; this is simply a fact. They were not “active” on the NF Website. This is pure bunk. As it happens, the NF went into liquidation in the wake of the mosque shootings. The NF had no policy, ideology, organization, or strategy. It existed primarily as a Website critical of immigration, and frankly, many of its forum’s comments were banal. The leader is a man of particular intelligence and capability, but the organization he worked with had no potential. I posted a couple of times within the past few years on the NF Website to criticize the Islamophobia that was reminiscent of the Zionist-funded Tommy Robinson type, and to try and point out that immigration is a symptom, not a cause, and the focus needs to be on causes.

By contrast, while DM was critical of certain immigration policies, I do not recall any member ever expressing Islamophobic views. As for having “earned the support of a senior figurehead of New Zealand’s nationalist movement,” I guess that is myself, although I find the description meaningless. “Senior figurehead of the nationalist movement” . . . what does it even mean?

“Imagined”

Summoning another sociologist, Mr. Manch quotes Ben Elley of Independent Research Solutions, a New Zealand organization, stating that:

. . . the Dominion Movement presents a “nice face” similar to that seen in public-facing alt-right chapters abroad. They’re using a lot of the language about whiteness and the white state that other alt-right groups that are into ethno-states do. For them it’s not so much about white supremacy, it’s about getting back what’s lost or what’s been taken from them. The loss that they’re feeling is either imagined, or not something that they deserve to take back.[10]Ibid.
(Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group,” op. cit.)

At least Mr. Elley concedes that “white supremacy” is a meaningless description, although the reference to DM promoting a “white ethnostate” is yet another assumption. An appreciation for one’s heritage is evidently a matter only for every non-white, and whites do not deserve any such sense of identity. They are best left as rootless consumers.

Elley says such groups attract young white men who feel disenfranchised by millennial quandaries: the global financial crisis, worsening economic and employment prospects, and widening inequality in western nations. The group’s material frequently refers to democracy, consumerism and international finance as a threat.[11]Ibid.
(Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group,” op. cit.)

Are we to suppose that such concerns must only be raised by Leftists, who have had over a century to offer solutions and have failed? Shall we say that all is well with the financial, economic, and social systems? At least Mr. Elley indicates that DM, unlike the NF and other so-called far Right groups in New Zealand, was getting to root causes: “democracy, consumerism and international finance.” Evidently, analysis as to causes is inherently “fascist,” because it might lead to demands for a new banking system, like that of Hitler’s Germany or the 1935 New Zealand Labour government; and we all know where that leads to . . . prosperity, reconstruction, and full employment.

As with the Christchurch shooting suspect, the group is preoccupied with a claimed white genocide. Members of the group held a “Save the Boer” banner at an All Blacks v South Africa match in Wellington, referring to a false far-right claim that white Afrikaner farmers are being systematically murdered.[12]Ibid.
(Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group,” op. cit.)

Mr. Manch believes that all is fine for the Afrikaner; that the “Rainbow Nation” is too noble to entertain such thoughts as dispossessing Afrikaner farmers through murder, rape, and mutilation, and that such notions are part of a “far Right” conspiracy of fake news; that Afrikaners are uprooting from their ancestral lands and relocating across the world because they are delusional about what is happening around them; and that, like the DM chaps, they are “imagining” their plight.

Elley says the group’s insistence on non-violence means it can escape any accusation of being terrorists. But those politics have outcomes that are awful, but they’d like to be able to gloss over that. “What they’re talking about is actually incredibly harmful and violent.”[13]Ibid.
(Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group,” op. cit.)

Here again we have the criminalization and demonization of an ideology to justify the suppression of dissident views: that the Right is intrinsically violent. T. S. Eliot, W. B. Yeats, Edmund Burke, Carl Jung, Konrad Lorenz, Giacomo Puccini . . . all were repressed sociopaths. If the Right’s ideology is intrinsically violent, and those such as DM are heirs to a violent ideology, then can we also state that the Labour Party is the heir of Bolshevism through Marx, or that liberalism is the heir of Jacobinism and the Committee on Public Safety? Can we also say that the great myth of universal equality had been the most murderous ideology ever conceived? Can we say that those who are now trying to foment a witch-hunt by criminalizing dissidence are acting from ideological antecedents in Bolshevism and Jacobinism? Could we not say that it has long been the extreme Left across the world, including New Zealand, that has openly demanded the “smashing” of any Rightist manifestation through violence, and has frequently done so?

Oh God, not him again

No condemnation of the Right in New Zealand, so far as it can be said to exist, would be complete without featuring another sociologist, Dr. Paul Spoonley. His claim to expertise is that he wrote a thesis on the “extreme Right” in New Zealand, which was published as a book in 1987.[14]Paul Spoonley, The Politics of Nostalgia (Palmerston North, NZ: Dunmore Press, 1987). Any subsequent research of substance seems elusive. However, Dr. Spoonley has spent over thirty years reminding New Zealanders through the news media of the ever-present threat of the “extreme Right.” If an obscure Rightist grouplet wanted a mention in the media, they’d send Spoonley some leaflets. In the wake of the Christchurch shootings, Dr. Spoonley was even able to refer to a grand total of three skinhead killings to prove that his warnings are not delusional or self-serving:[15]Q&A Interview, TVNZ, March 19, 2019.

Massey University professor Dr Paul Spoonley said the Dominion Movement was among other nationalist groups that had fallen silent – but they would not disappear. “They will reappear, and they might not be called the Dominion Movement. We really do need agencies and the media and researchers like myself to be monitoring these groups.”[16]Thomas Manch, “White Nationalists ‘will re-emerge’ after falling silent over Christchurch mosque shootings,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.

New Zealanders need Dr. Spoonley to keep them safe from ever-present, lurking far Right killers.

Spoonley said he maintained a map of about 70 far-right organisations operating in New Zealand during the 1980s and 1990s, watching them emerge and disband. “What’s frustrating is that, even though the organisation might have gone, the people who were members are still around. That’s the difficulty tracking the activists.” He said there were usually about 250 far-right activists in New Zealand, often young, working-class men who felt disengaged and disempowered and longed for a “racial nirvana.”[17]Ibid.
(Thomas Manch, “White Nationalists ‘will re-emerge’ after falling silent over Christchurch mosque shootings,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.)

Dr. Spoonley presented himself to Rightists during the 1980s as “an academic with no axe to grind” (sic). I would certainly be intrigued to know the character of the “70 far-right organisations operating in NZ during the 1980s and 1990s,” as I somehow managed to miss all that, and suspect that Dr. Spoonley’s definition of “far Right” is outlandishly broad in order to get the numbers up. It certainly would be frustrating “tracking the activists” from that era, because most of them were Second World War veterans (Sergeant Keen, Colonel Elderton, Major Wilcox, Cliff Emeny) who have long since died; and one must add Ian Bing, a thoroughgoing Spenglerian and New Zealand’s first Chinese hotelier, who was prone to using the by-line “White man, think again!” in his journal Perspective 21st Century. Good luck with trying to keep track of them. For the rest of Dr. Spoonley’s comment, it is just plain nonsense: “250 disempowered young men wanting a racial nirvana”; again, I missed that one. But one must keep up the pretense, so that the media and security authorities “need researchers like Spoonley.”

“The numbers are not important – it only takes one. So, we should be concerned, no matter how small or large they are. We absolutely ought to know about them, because we need to do something about them.”[18]Ibid.
(Thomas Manch, “White Nationalists ‘will re-emerge’ after falling silent over Christchurch mosque shootings,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.)

Hail, hail, the gang’s all here

Any form of dissent must be marginalized and suppressed. Something must be done about the ever-present threat. “They’re no different than any other gang in New Zealand, the gangs exist as a sort of alternative set of loyalties and values for people who feel marginalised,” states Dr. Spoonley.[19]Ibid.
(Thomas Manch, “White Nationalists ‘will re-emerge’ after falling silent over Christchurch mosque shootings,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.)

Since the Mongrel Mob provided security at the “peace rallies,” can we now define those gangs as being part of the far-Left? Skinheads, according to Dr. Spoonley, are the mainstay of the far Right, and so on that basis he is able to trot out a few violent actions to associate with the Right. Gangs such as Black Power, Mongrel Mob, and Killer Bees are the non-white youth subculture equivalent of skinheads; hence, might we say these are “far Left,” or at least “brown supremacists,” whose record of rapes, murders, beatings, and drug-peddling over decades do not compare with the relatively low rate of sociopathology among skinheads? Moreover, DM was adamant, without compromise, in not having anything whatever to do with skinheads on any basis, and held them in contempt.

Call political dissent a “gang” and you have justification for suppression, as in a Communist state. Marginalization or “alienation” is also a significant part of the Marxist analysis of capitalism, but where the Rightist contends that multiculturalism and globalization lead to “marginalization,” this becomes beyond the pale of debate.

The inherent character of liberalism is self-destructive, and the only means of maintaining such a regime is through repression. Repression was undertaken in the name of “liberty, equality, fraternity” and of the “dictatorship of the proletariat,” and now repression is advocated under a new slogan in the aftermath of the Christchurch shootings: “We are one.” What Chinese, Hindu, Muslim, Jew, Maori, Samoan, or Tongan thinks “we are one”? It is only befuddled whites who have any such notion, and those who don’t are “white supremacist” sociopaths.

Ironically, what remains of the so-called “Right” in New Zealand are groups that are“Islamophobic,” such as Right Minds – NZ and Islamic State Watch – NZ, but so far from being “far Right,” these are liberal capitalists and pro-Israel, being of the Zionist-funded Tommy Robinson type. But they have largely remained under the radar of the media and the likes of Spoonley, Manch, Elley, and Barton. A scrutiny of groups that actually are devoted to opposing what they call “Islamization,” such as Robinson and Geert Wilders in The Netherlands, would indicate that the worldwide campaign is being funded by Daniel Pipes’ Middle East Forum and other Zionist “neocons” far removed from the actual “Alt Right” – but those such as Spoonley, who are close to the Jewish community, would not want to go there.

Notes

[1] Thomas Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group with a ‘harmful and violent’ ideology,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.

[2] Ibid.

[3] Ibid.

[4] Ibid.

[5] Ibid.

[6] Jan-Willem van Prooijen, et al., “Increased conspiracy beliefs among ethnic and Muslim minorities,” Applied Cognitive Psychology, Vol. 3w2, No. 5, September/October 2018, pp. 661-667; and Medhi Hasan, “Inside jobs and Israeli stooges: why is the Muslim world in thrall to conspiracy theories,” New Statesman America, September 5, 2014.

[7] Manch, “The ‘growing’ white nationalist group,” op. cit.

[8] Ibid.

[9] Ibid.

[10] Ibid.

[11] Ibid.

[12] Ibid.

[13] Ibid.

[14] Paul Spoonley, The Politics of Nostalgia (Palmerston North, NZ: Dunmore Press, 1987).

[15] Q&A Interview, TVNZ, March 19, 2019.

[16] Thomas Manch, “White Nationalists ‘will re-emerge’ after falling silent over Christchurch mosque shootings,” Stuff, March 26, 2019.

[17] Ibid.

[18] Ibid.

[19] Ibid.

(Republished from Counter-Currents Publishing by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Wally says:

    Mass hysteria is the only explanation.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @The prescription
  2. wayfarer says:

    “Zionist Connections to the New Zealand Mosque Massacre”

    “Christchurch Exposed by Ole Dammegard”
    Source: https://lightonconspiracies.com/

  3. NZ had had its very own version of a ‘Pearl Harbor,’ and acts equally irrational @at least, in the kabuki setting of events].

  4. Cowboy says:

    Why do stupid goyim keep falling for the same tired old tropes, generation after generation? At the AIPAC convention this week we clearly had both the Democrats and the Republicans 100% united to Make Greater Israel Great Again. As far as deification of Jews and Israel goes, there is no difference between the two “parties”.

    We see precisely the same thing if we compare the Progressives of today with the National Socialists of Weimar Germany. Just like the Nazis, Progressives believe in things like subsidized transit systems, social welfare policies, gun control, strict state control of child creation and rearing, even invading country after country to unite all Progressives-Nazis into the new Reich. Progressives and Socialists are Nazis, just like Republicans and Democrats are Zionists.

    New Zealand, proudly being one of the most Progressive and Green (Nazis were very green too) countries on the planet, is actually a Progressive-Nazi stronghold. New Zealand will serve as a gateway for the Progressive invasion of the Antarctic while NZ’s resources are stripped to further the Progressive cause of the Multi-Culti Third World Reich.

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  5. Evidently, analysis as to causes is inherently “fascist,” because it might lead to demands for a new banking system, like that of Hitler’s Germany or the 1935 New Zealand Labour government; and we all know where that leads to . . . prosperity, reconstruction, and full employment.

    Prosperity, reconstruction, and full employment … geez! We can’t have that now, can we!

    “What’s frustrating is that, even though the organisation might have gone, the people who were members are still around … The numbers are not important – it only takes one. So, we should be concerned, no matter how small or large they are. We absolutely ought to know about them, because we need to do something about them.”

    I see. What we really need here is a final solution to the alt-right problem.

    Ironically, what remains of the so-called “Right” in New Zealand are groups that are“Islamophobic,” such as Right Minds – NZ and Islamic State Watch – NZ, but so far from being “far Right,” these are liberal capitalists and pro-Israel, being of the Zionist-funded Tommy Robinson type. But they have largely remained under the radar of the media and the likes of Spoonley, Manch, Elley, and Barton.

    ‘Left-wing’ Jewish-funded groups refusing to rat on ‘right-wing’ Jewish-funded groups … imagine that!

    • Replies: @Harbinger
  6. The establishment has a clear interest in curbing identitarians, so your tale of oppression does not resonate. The identitarian goal requires us to kick out most minorities, however due to the scale of the problem, third world source countries could never cope with the number of repatriated and famines would ensue. Whether in Europe or US, many of these immigrant populations are dependent on liberal order for survival. Because of this, the establishment is right in charging identitarians with being white dominionists or mass murderers. Would identitarians in power accept third world zones such as Africa trebling in population as predicted, or will they withhold grain and fuel to reduce the population to native levels?

    So please, we know the establishment is going to abuse the Right and declare them to be terrorist groups. They’ve tied their survival to that of the Muslim and Guatemalan invaders. It doesn’t seem like a good strategy but that’s what they’ve done.

  7. When will Ahern take off the stupid hijab? She looks really stupid, decrying terrorism while dressing like a terrorist.

    • Agree: TKK
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    , @SunBakedSuburb
  8. @Cowboy

    New Zealand will serve as a gateway for the Progressive invasion of the Antarctic while NZ’s resources are stripped to further the Progressive cause of the Multi-Culti Third World Reich.

    Never! Your fake ProgNazis will never take Antarctica. Real Nazi UFO squadrons will sink any fleet trying to take it. They did it before and they’ll do it again.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Cowboy
  9. The NZ deal was a drill with crisis actors and no one died, just like at Sandy Hook, Florida school, San Bernadino, Boston Bombing, etc., etc., all done for the Bolshevik left wing gun control agenda!

    This is all part of the Protocols of Zion play book and a repeat of the zionist Bolshevik revolution in Russia now being played out worldwide for the zionist NWO agenda!

  10. Agent76 says:

    March 18, 2019 Undeniable Proof: CGI Used in New Zealand Shooting The Nature and Intent of False Flag Terrorism

    We are all now reexamining the video and problems are coming up. Here is the rub, the more problems we find, shotgun rounds coming out of a rifle, shotguns turning into rifles, disappearing shell casings, none of this is accidental.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/03/18/undeniable-proof-cgi-used-in-new-zealand-shooting/

    Mar 17, 2019 HIDING THE EVIDENCE: New Zealand Gladio-Style Black Op

    Guys, as I was uploading this report, Tweet (video) was brought to my attention, and it’s an absolute jaw-dropper. WATCH the spent shells vanish into thin air without ever hitting the ground.

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  11. Agent76 says:

    “In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

  12. the totalitarian atmosphere of liberal dogma… liberal totalitarians… liberal journalists or academics.

    Can we hold off on the oxymorons? There is nothing liberal about these people.

    Can we also say that the great myth of universal equality had been the most murderous ideology ever conceived?

    I think the welfare state has got it beat.

  13. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I see showing interest in UFOs is silly if Germany did it, but OK if the US, Project Blue Book & much more, did it.

    Then there’s the US base in Antarctica in addition to the various land claims by various countries in Antarctica.

    And most importantly, there were the ‘Nazis’ with the impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

  14. Cowboy says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “Your fake ProgNazis will never take Antarctica.”

    Do you think after the genocide of hundreds of civilizations and the complete and total mind control of European Christianity for 1000 years that they haven’t considered this yet?

    After the Jew Zealand Prog-Nazi’s have eliminated the last white nationalist on the islands, their devious plan will come into play. Jews love fusion, so once they have gathered a million talmudists on the south island they are going to fuse the ear piercing prog-nazi whine with the Talmudic spittle flinging kvetch and the Maori Haka dance. They plan to call it the Million Cuck Kvetch. This will cause a massive tsunami that will calve all the antartic ice-caps, thus destroying your secret real nazi u-boat bases while eliminating global warming and racism.

    I Trumped you!

  15. TKK says:
    @i love little girls

    That’s a f*cked up screen name. Unless you are a pre pubescent boy.

    • Agree: Harbinger
  16. @DESERT FOX

    And what about that shooting that happened in Las Vegas a couple years ago–I can’t even remember the name of the casino. Whatever happened with that? Is there gonna be a trial? Did that just vanish down the memory-hole completely? So much weird shit now days.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @anon
  17. Harbinger says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Somewhat amazing isn’t it?
    Everywhere I look, there’s the continued demonization of the third reich and Hitler.
    Every TV series from the USA, you can guarantee they’ll always have a couple of episodes that mention Hitler.
    The narrative of evil nazis has to be continually enforced, through constant repetition in TV, radio and print media.
    They simply have to keep pushing the narrative of 6million dead Jews.

    You get tired of it, more so when you realize that pretty much 90% of history is BS.
    Why did the nazis invade Poland and Czechoslovakia? Could it be to do with reclaiming lands, unlawfully taken from them after WW1?
    Why did the nazis invade France? Could it be because the French invaded and declared war on Germany?
    Why did the Germans bomb the UK? Could it be because the UK declared war on and bombed Germany first?
    Why did the Germans want the Jews out? Could it be because Judea Declared War on Germany? What country, in any part of the world would want an alien population, with no loyalty to that nation and declaring war upon it, living within it?

    Just sick fed up of the lies of history and the constant promotion of the lie that the Jews are a persecuted people. They’re not. They’re the most privileged, protected, racist, religiously and ethnically supremacist people this world has ever known.

    We need another Hitler quite frankly, in every western nation. Kick out the kikel once and for all. Lock them all away on an island and let them rot there, like bot flies all feeding off of one another.

  18. @i love little girls

    With a username like that, you clearly must be Muslim

    • LOL: TKK
    • Replies: @Dirk Hartog
  19. Professor Greg Barton, chair of global Islamic politics at Australia’s Deakin University,

    See, why don’t these guys like Tarrant shoot this guy instead of everyday people at worship? I guess, now that I think about it, that was something like Brevik’s reasoning.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  20. @Digital Samizdat

    It is my opinion that no one was killed in the Las Vegas psyop , the gun shots were faked and crisis actors were used and no one was killed, the whole thing was a psyop for gun control, the whole thing was bullshit from start to finish, and it was a typical CIA/MOSSAD false flag deal.

  21. Marginalization or “alienation” is also a significant part of the Marxist analysis of capitalism, but where the Rightist contends that multiculturalism and globalization lead to “marginalization,” this becomes beyond the pale of debate.

    Capitalism leads to multiculturalism and globalization. Rootless consumerism is a primary feature of capitalism.

    The right wingers should be out protesting war, colonialism, imperialism/capitalism with the socialists and communists if they want to address the refugee problem.

    War, colonialism, imperialism/capitalism are the root causes of the refugees/immigrants.

    Seems like many leaders of the right and the “left” are just interested in creating division and not addressing the root cause.

    Right now theres still millions of Syrian refugees in Lebanon who cannot return home to Syria because of the destruction and ongoing war. Many will probably be heading to Europe, not because of a Muslim master plan, but because of Western colonialism, imperialism/capitalism.

    Same thing in Latin America the “caravans” of refugees are coming from countries the US/CIA has overthrew democratically elected socialist leaders and installed Wall St friendly dictators that will allow corporations to plunder their resources. Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras all victims of CIA coups. Same thing will happen when Trump, Bolton, Abrams and Pompeo start a shooting war in Venezuela to please their capitalist overlords. Big time.

    Smedley Butler explained all this long ago.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  22. Anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Explanation for what exactly Wally?

    • Replies: @Wally
  23. Cowboy says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    If Tarrant was a white nationalist, why did he mention jews only once in his manifesto?

    The Manifesto: No Jews?
    Tarrant allegedly wrote a manifesto called The Great Replacement explaining his motivations for killing Muslims. The problem is, the 73-page document reads like it was written by someone who is trying very hard to pretend to be a White Nationalist.

    If you ever visit places on the internet frequented and owned by White Nationalists, such as 4chan, 8chan, Daily Stormer, or Gab, one immediate, indubitable fact hits you in the face:

    These people hate Jews.

    More than anyone else, White Nationalists hate Jews and are not afraid of expressing it with thousands of different memes. More than Blacks, more than Latinos, more than Muslims, Jews are at the top of the hate list. This is because White Nationalists believe that Jews are engaging in a genocidal project to destroy the White race. According to the White Nationalists, Jews are doing this primarily by pushing for immigration. As high birth-rate immigrants flood White nations and non-Whites and Whites intermix, eventually the White race will become a minority and will, within a few generations, cease to exist.

    This, according to the White Nationalists on the internet, is a Jewish plot that Jews have engineered through their pushing of pro-immigration legislation, their control of media, etc.

    What is bizarre about Tarrant’s alleged manifesto is that he says a great deal about this plot. He rails against immigration, fertility rates, and “White genocide.” But he doesn’t mention who the supposed plotters are. Why? Why is Tarrant following the White Nationalist script to the letter but doesn’t mention Jews once in the entire 73 pages?

    Well, actually, he does mention Jews just once:

    “A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people.”

    The statement is especially strange since, according to the dominant White Nationalist discourse, this is exactly what Jews are engaged in: harming white people, genociding them. In fact, White Nationalists often bemoan the fact that Jews have Israel as their Jewish ethno-state while allegedly preventing Whites from having their own White ethno-states.

    https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2019/03/21/388064/

    Once again, the dog that didn’t bark. It looks like dogs are as afraid of jews as congressmen.

    • Replies: @Johan
  24. m___ says:

    Who is the real enemy of native, generational European descend people?

    In short, their own elites.

    See the article, interview of Kevin McDonald, of today on this same zine, unz.com. Have a glance at our comment on the interview and the more intellectual, prudent remarks of K. McDonald himself. Weight the Jewish tweaking of the questions.

    Do not count on Muslims to comprehend that they are cheated into manipulation, immigrants to be complacent with your goals, somehow you Europeans will have to rally your own, and bite the throat of the real enemy. Your defected, corrupted elites, that left you in the cold for personal short-term gain, and now with no back-up whatsoever of their own ethnic base, are hostage to Jewish in-group interests. Not religion, nation states, whatever philosophy is going to help, when the messenger, the administrator is corrupted. The European descend people’s rot is in the head.

    The minor incident in New Zealand, was most certainly not the most insidious act of terror of the week. Note, the long slug as the above of Kerry Bolton?, are not helpful to your cause as to comprehend anything much. Say they are in line with rooting you out, and keep with the confusion. Again no-one else should be held responsible for the loss of influence in polity, policy, social organization, economics, quality of life but your own.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @m___
  25. @Agent76

    It is my opinion that no one was killed and that this was an MI6/MOSSAD/CIA ran deal for gun control same as in Sandy Hook, the school was closed in 2008.

  26. @i love little girls

    “….withhold grain and fuel to reduce the population to native levels?”. An excellent plan that I fully support. I would add modest shipments of ammunition to speed the program.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  27. Che Guava says:

    I was only in uhn-zuhd once, and long ago.

    Among the people I met were an apparently gay Anglican priest and his wife (!?!).

    Their peak life experience seems to have been protesting against a Sprinboks (seth-efrican) rugby tour.

    They even hed bromides of eht.

    Bully, ey?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  28. ‘…The association of Tarrant’s views with those of DM aims to show an ideological continuum that leads to violence… ‘

    What’s enough to make one weep about this is that as it happens, any ideology can lead to violence.

    Christianity did — vide the crusades. Islam — ‘the religion of peace’ — certainly did. Socialism observably did. ‘Black Power’ definitely did. The Nation of Islam spawned the Zebra killers. There are violent animal rights activists, and female suffragettes set off bombs. Mass Hindu violence is endemic in India.

    So there are violent White Supremacists. So what? There are violent environmentalists, for Christ’s sake. The connection is meaningless. You might as well ban Socialism on the grounds that all Socialists age and eventually die.

  29. Wally says:
    @Anon

    The behavior that we are witnessing, read article under discussion.

    Surely you’re not THAT slow.

  30. @Bombercommand

    ‘“….withhold grain and fuel to reduce the population to native levels?”. An excellent plan that I fully support. I would add modest shipments of ammunition to speed the program.’

    And the vaccines. Definitely halt the shipments of vaccines and antibiotics.

    It’d actually be kind of interesting to observe. Which would the blacks manage to manufacture on their own? Drugs or ammunition? Both? Neither?

    My guess is that they’d manage ammunition — but not drugs.

  31. ‘…What justification does Professor Barton have for assuming that every such group is latently violent, and that any claim to non-violence is nothing but a façade? …’

    Indeed. Best bust my daughter. She cares about animals, and we all know what PETA gets up to.

  32. Moi says:
    @Hannah Katz

    She put out a press release two days ago saying she’d take off the “stupid hijab” after good Christians rip the heejab off Mother Mary. You know, Jesus’s mom. Also, the orthodox heejab-wearing jewesses in the Occupied W. Bank also must remove it, she add.

    The PM, however, did not mention Catholic nuns. It have been an oversight.

  33. @Wally

    Mass hysteria is not the object,

    a state of mass hysteria induced by generating false flag terror and using the terror as a vehicle to use the law making and enforcement powers of the ARMS (Armed rule making structure=nation state by name) to impose “narrowly defined corridors as the only available avenue to safe, not subject to punishment speech, to alienate the governed from their human rights, and to disarm the governed from protections they need to defend their democracies and to prevent alienation by government of the human rights that below solely to the governed. The object of this false flag, as well as the many others in the past years, was not to induce hysteria, but instead to structure a way that would permit those in control of political authority to black list all non conforming speech, to limit expressions of artists, journalists, politicians, and academics to a very limited in size, highly controlled media space and to police and to punish all who utter non conforming expressions. Such is a method of Economic Zionism as can be evidenced by studying the spread of Zionism around the globe.

    In order for capitalism to work, the government must protect the “competition space” from monopoly power, monopoly ownership and the government must enforce rule that prohibit a monopoly to flourish. Capitalism does not lead to multicultural globalization or marginalization, but the entire object of Economic Zionism [EZ] is to destroy all competition, to use the power of the government to place the products of EZ in monopolistic control of everything<that's why regime change. The essence of democracy is protected competition conducted and overseen by a fair and just government (capitalism), but the essence of Zionism to use the government and the media to gain monopoly power<EZ so strong that no one one can compete.

    The NZ event is not about Identity or Globalism, but instead is an example of divide and conquer.. It is impossible to impose draconian laws on the entire population, but if half of the population believes such laws are ok, then the imposition is only offensive to the remaining half..

    Recognize this false flag event for what it is: divide and conquer..a strategy of Economic Zionism..

    • Replies: @m___
  34. republic says:

    It is common knowledge that most SJW’s suffer from a form of mental illness, but a according to this
    Vdare article, the NZ PM has actually been inside a mental hospital for treatment, seriously!

    https://vdare.com/articles/after-christchurch-why-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-was-the-wrong-leader-for-new-zealand?scroll_to_paragraph=8

    What the Guardian journalist failed to mention is that Ardern’s anxiety is not the kind that can be controlled with a course of anti-depressants or some therapy. It is so acute that she has apparently spent periods in psychiatric hospitals, rumors which she evasively failed to deny when a journalist put them to her

  35. Priss Factor [AKA "Asagirian"] says: • Website

    With elites like this, what do you expect?

  36. The NZ leader has a severe case of jewbrain.

    She hates herself, she hates her people, she hates her own nation.

    One look at her and you can tell she’s nuts.

    I’m not sure that white people are going to make it, truthfully.

    • Agree: republic
    • Replies: @Pontius
  37. peterAUS says:
    @m___

    With the quote from your post from another thread, as:

    The identity of “Europeans”, “Northwest Europeans” stays flou (opaque), throughout the article, not as in flou on the Jewish side of things, where confusion, intent on being a morphing target, aid stronger identity to insider individuals. Jewish camouflage at to the purpose of decoy and defense (Soros, just as a single example). The insider Jew has no qualms as to where his interests lie.
    If the Western European descend intellectuals want to recreate a bond with the general population (even an intellectual joker as Jordan Peterson does better), and as such can pretend to stand as a group, they will have to set aside their middle class scraps for pay mentality. The complexity of the Western world and history ,the original bits that are definitely not Jewish, are complex, rich, and historically deep. They merit to be defined beyond opposition as to other groups. Regardless of flawed historical models, the present global context, can only be addressed in it’s total complexity, not at all a Jewish priority. Ruling on a pile of dung is more like it.
    The practical political problem, of White elites having sold out, being infiltrated by Jewish in-group interests, what is more, serving Jewish in-group interests, being played as puppets, thus severing the White Commoner future except as a Consumer Slave, is shameful, explicit, non-forgivable, terminal. Having Jewish individuals doing the explaining is such an expression of European amnesia and submission, the lack of taking responsibility.
    On a practical scale, before any ambitions of shaping a world for the better, (including for all other groups and humans, global, planetary, on sanity premises, ambitions to which ultimately only the Western European descend people aspire, inclusiveness is single to them) can be even mentioned, the European descend people should take on the ralleying of their own, do away with their leaders (Yellow Vests point to a soft version of it).
    The world needs that scope of consideration. Toxicity, resource exhaustion, bulging global populations that are liabilities to their own well-being, are timely, pertinent and unavoidable bottle-necks. These existential problems, concerning the future of humanity are oblivious to the Jewish mindset. As to any in-group mindset (Muslims another example (their breeding strategy is at the summit of confusion), global Consumer Society another).
    In short, reconnecting with a clear and comprehensible European identity with which European descend commoners can identify and associate, they can comprehend, based on other then consumerism and middle class greed premises, by alternative elites that do away with what elites stands for in the now is a first.
    The vision, global and for all (as should be), of the Jewish schemes regardless, is catastrophic to Europeans, to Muslims, to Ameri-Indians, whatever “minority” pointed at, the planet, the future of mankind. Jews being held responsible for this is lame, as a minuscule minority, they are just outgrowing their survival strategy and mostly at a loss, the Jewish global community is copy-pasting all of the historical errors in fast forward mode, using the latest tools.
    Responsibility to Europeans means taking charge, no less. By shredding their corrupt elites, adopting a “Jewish” in-group mindset that includes common society of their own ethno-cultural line, that dumps the individual corrupted interest mongering that caters exclusively to the Jewish community of their despicable elites. There is nothing to be salvaged at the top. In exchange, such European descend mindset would make the whole of the Jewish influence mongering team sweat nastily in their socks, the greater interest of human future is lost to Jewish psychology.

    and from this, as:

    Your defected, corrupted elites, that left you in the cold for personal short-term gain, and now with no back-up whatsoever of their own ethnic base, are hostage to Jewish in-group interests. Not religion, nation states, whatever philosophy is going to help, when the messenger, the administrator is corrupted. The European descend people’s rot is in the head.

    you are spot on.

    The worst part?

    “We” haven’t been able to produce our own elite, not even after Brexit and Trump, for the last couple of years, if online only.
    THAT is the problem.
    Understanding why “we” haven’t been able to do that would be the first, uncomfortable, step in making any practical difference.
    Not holding my breath.

    As for this article, disappointing.
    Among some other things, not ONE word about arrests of two guys in New Zealand.
    Like:
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/man-custody-allegedly-sharing-mosque-livestream
    Not one word.Peculiar.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  38. When it’s all said and done, the actions of the NZ government are pretty run-of-the-mill.

    Of course the political class is going to exploit a tragedy to expand its power.

    Of course there will be public displays of mawkish lachrymose sentimentality, and mind-numbing pabulum.

    Once the marketing-induced histrionics have subsided, the reality remains:
    • anyone who wants to download and read Tarrant’s manifesto could do so in about 15 seconds;
    • anyone who wants to download and view the video of the event can do so in ~10 minutes…
    by taking anti-surveillance precautions that are free, freely available, and easy to implement.

    I haven’t bothered to do either;
    ① there is nothing to be learned from the video (and a lot of the video copies that exist have been tampered with);
    ② almost nothing would be less interesting to read, than the musings of some fuckwit who thought that this was a sensible way of getting his point across.

    Tarrant’s screed is a priori not worth reading (except for reasons of prurience) – especially not if you are remotely sympathetic to his worldview.

    Why? Because his thought processes were so inadequate, that his chosen course of action was one of the most counterproductive possible courses of action. It has handed the State – globally – a stick with which to beat the ‘alt-Right’.

    Given the action he decided upon, any advice contained in his ‘manifesto’ is going to be a case study in what not to do (assuming it’s not a gigantic misdirection: another unknowable).

    Anyone with the scantest knowledge of history, will tell you that the whole propaganda of the deed schtick is the worst possible way to get your ideas accepted. It has literally never worked, anywhere, ever.

    Put yourself in Tarrant’s shoes. You’re a not-very-bright economic underperformer looking to externalise blame for your failings.

    So … over time you become convinced that brown immigration and high brown-immigrant TFR poses a civilisational risk to European/Western societies.

    You observe that European/Western societies seem to be a bit too sanguine about this existential threat you’ve identified.

    You decide that European/Western societies need to be shocked out of their irrational complacency.

    You need a strategy.

    You sit down and put on your thinking hat, and do your very very best thinking about how to get people to recognise and respond to the impending end of everything that they hold dear.

    You really tax your brain… and let’s face it, your brain must be pretty sharp (notwithstanding your shitty performance at school) – after all, you’ve identified this societal risk that everyone else is overlooking.

    OK… so here we are.

    You’re at the kitchen table, thinking hard about how to get broader society to wake up.

    How much of a fucking idiot do you have to be, to decide that your best strategy is to go shoot up a house of worship?

    (I hate the term “house of worship“; mosques, churches, temples and synagogues are ignorance factories and grifting operations: it’s all in my manifesto lol).

    Anyhow…

    Dummies will often do things that are predictably, obviously counterproductive – there is abundant evidence that this is the case. Reading their attempts to explain their motivations is a waste of time.

    inb4 “fake shooting”; “patsy”; “false flag” – any of those things, if true, would just make the manifesto less worth reading, n’est-ce pas?

  39. @peterAUS

    As for this article, disappointing.
    Among some other things, not ONE word about arrests of two guys in New Zealand.

    That’s because the people arrested were just schlubs, not members of the author’s clique.

    In common with almost all members of political cliques, it would appear that this Bolton dude doesn’t actually give a fuck about the principles he claims are being violated: he only cares if the targets are him and his clique.

    Without having read anything produced by his clique, I’ll bet they were absolutely silent about the undermining of human rights and the expansion of the surveillance state… until they get a taste of what it’s like on the receiving end.

    I might go and read some of their output just to confirm that I’m right… I’ll piss away half an hour reading tedious #BrownPeopleScary #NPC #SWLWG nonsense. (SLWG: scared weird little white guy)

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  40. peterAUS says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Interesting……

    A question for you if I may, a piece of …..sensible and practicable….advice:

    Say……if a person from “alt-right” sphere of thinking suspects that somebody is planning to “pull a trigger”, literally, at any level of the pyramid of the current “immigration” paradigm…..what would be a….sensible….thing to do? From the lowest target, as in this case, to …up….and up….

    The person getting ready to “pull a trigger” can be anyone not happy, for any reason imaginable, with the current state of affairs re “immigration”. From a lunatic to an experienced ISIS operative, and anything in between.

    I am sure the question is clear to you; for the rest, can’t have it formulated better, I am afraid, in the current hysterics of the world around here.

    What would be a ….prudent and productive….. thing to do?
    Pick up a phone, perhaps? Or something else?

  41. peterAUS says:
    @Kratoklastes

    That’s because the people arrested were just schlubs, not members of the author’s clique.

    In common with almost all members of political cliques, it would appear that this Bolton dude doesn’t actually give a fuck about the principles he claims are being violated: he only cares if the targets are him and his clique.

    Feels that way.

    I guess it goes nicely with the idea of al-light…ahm….elites… who are supposed to lead us out of this mess.

  42. @Hannah Katz

    Since the toppling of Hillary, the balance of power has shifted in the globalist witch cult. Rising stars like haunted house face Ahern rush in to fill the void.

  43. @Priss Factor

    The Europe I lived and travelled around in during the 1990s is dead. A witches’ brew of pacifism, inaction in the face of demographic attack, and rule by wicked, cancerous elites killed it. The United States is proceeding quickly down the same road.

  44. @redmudhooch

    In which industrial dispute did the workers go out and get the factory owners? Most of the time they beat and killed the scabs that were bused in to take their jobs, even though those very strikebreakers were unemployed victims of the same capitalist system. Yet no true conscious worker felt any sympathy for the scabs. However, in these latter-day cases the lefties are actually promoting the scabs and helping to ship them in to threaten jobs and livelihood of the local workers, and then using wars they mostly themselves support as some sort of excuse why they are doing this.

    There is something seriously wrong with the literature of the contemporary left and right that I have been reading as they seem to be misrepresenting each other and often themselves. Whoever got the idea that lefties should go and assist scabs to cross borders to take jobs and undercut wages of locals? These people are assisting the capitalist bosses to provide them with that cheap non-unionised labour. Or that lefties should be calling for wars under guise of some “humanitarian” intervention. Or that they should be participating in disarming citizens by demanding stricter gun controls. Or demanding increasing censorship and government control. Haven’t these lefties read “1984”? These lefties seem to me to be bigger fascists than the neo-Nazis and the self-declared fascists of today.

  45. peterAUS says:
    @Kratoklastes

    As for

    …the whole propaganda of the deed schtick is the worst possible way to get your ideas accepted. It has literally never worked, anywhere, ever….

    Probably, probably…..

    Still, this comes to mind:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Nikola_Gardovi%C4%87

    Oh, BTW, I could’ve posted around dozen of similar examples, but, true, they happened in some totally different world/time/whatever. On Pluto or 13th Planet.
    So, yes, yes, I know, there are no…repeat after me…NO….similarities between that and this. None. None whatsoever. I know the party line.

    And, yet, hehe…..those people got their independent country. All that they wanted.
    But, yes, “we’ll get it some other way. We just need to keep believing that.

  46. @Che Guava

    You and your gay church friends again. There’s never enough for you people is there?

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  47. Pontius says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Never vote for a woman. Politically, with a few notable exceptions, they want three things:

    1. More government
    2. More Taxes
    3. Fewer freedoms.

    Having eschewed motherhood for themselves, they nevertheless seem to view entire societies as troublesome children they must constantly guide and correct.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @Johan
  48. @Priss Factor

    Hilarious, many thanks.

    • Replies: @m___
  49. With the possible exception of far eastern Canada, New Zealand is the most British place outside of Britain. Hence, NZ politicians and talking heads simply parrot whatever politically correct drivel liberal politicians in the mother country say.

    That’s why we need to get this Brexit BS over and done with ASAP. As Steve Turley points out, the ongoing Brexit fiasco is sucking the energy out of nationalism/populism in the UK. Which in turn is sucking the energy out of nationalism/populism in Ireland, Australia and New Zealand. Once its over and done with, that nationalist populist energy will start pushing in other, more important directions.

  50. m___ says:
    @m___

    @peterAUS

    The link you refer to, is indeed a page of scare mongering. https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/man-custody-allegedly-sharing-mosque-livestream . Since there is little physical courage among the Euro-descend people manifest… Jemen and Gaza, the Assange situation shows this at a far more pertinent level.

    Do not hold your breath, the consolidation of a true mindset that equals psychological thrift comparable to other in-groups, and postponing then impositioning a true philosophy and hard physical goals for a future world, first of all regaining an identity as European descend people, will be hard fought, and it should. That makes our times so interesting. Long slugs, retirement into misery and decay of a stressed planet, the Euro descend survivors will thank Nature for leading the way in putting the thumbscrews on the current global psychosis of “Growth for ever”, “Unlimited footprints”, “My identity is fluid”, “Corruption institutionalized”, “Physical courage is bad”, “Consuming is existing”, “Battery Chicken works out into Battery Human”, the list is endless, narratives.

    Regards,
    We think in the short term, that there is no way back, when the Jewish psychological warfare backs off, if ever there is at the least some expression of dissent that matters, the reign of David is over, return to the pogroms. The Muslims are not going to be candid to Jew interests.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  51. those people got their independent country

    Do you mean the Bosnian Muslims or Serbs? They both got something of their own that pass as states within a state of that B&H for now.

    The best example is Gavrilo Princip in that same Sarajevo. With that assassin’s bullet he wrecked four empires: Austrio-Hungarian, Ottoman, Russian, and German. OK, Germany wasn’t much of an empire but it lost the few overseas possessions it had, and the Russian one became Soviet, but still it’s a hell of an achievement for an act of terrorism, and many peoples got their independent countries as a result.

    You could say the same of OBL and his twin towers, how many countries have been wrecked as a consequence – that is assuming it wasn’t a false flag sponsored by government but a genuine terrorist act. Although no nation building followed that, just nation wrecking.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @NoseytheDuke
  52. peterAUS says:
    @m___

    ….there is little physical courage among the Euro-descend people ..

    Looks like it,at the moment.

    And, yet……

    All going so well and then, bang, Norway. A bit of confusion, and the game continues. All good.
    BANG. The guy in New Zealand. Confusion and hysterics this time. The game will continue, accelerated.
    The next bang is given, somewhere.

    Bangs with the constant tightening of the screws, which simply creates more guys willing to “move”.
    Something will give in.

    There IS one element nobody wants to talk about: the forced perception of a weak white young man. The Negro reigns in public perception as a tough, dangerous man; “honkey” is weak meek, emasculated, even feminized.
    BANG….or, better…”crack”, “crack”, “crack”, “crack”, “crack”. One, average looking, young white guy, with a rifle, and lots of planning. PLANNING. THINKING. Something the “magical Negro” is incapable of.
    That’s a dangerous opponent. A gray person, nobody. With a will, patience and analytical mind. Amongst “them”.

    As long as such man can get a late 19th century bolt action rifle TPTBs can’t enjoy their spoils. Five such men can get a city into a full day lockdown. That possibility could make “them” take a pause. Start to think that maybe what they’ve been doing isn’t actually so profitable. Takes just one round and no more power play, villas, yachts, private jets. Just one old 8×57 or .303 from 600 meters.

    “You don’t listen, don’t let me even speak. Fine. Are you listening now”?

  53. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Do you mean the Bosnian Muslims or Serbs?

    Muslims.
    They got Islam, as state religion, back into Europe. True, they were just a small part of overall effort financed by Saudis, helped by all Muslim countries and heavily supported by West, Americans in particular. Everyone and his/her dog against Serbs….and Croats when you think about it.
    What’s the expression: you reap what you sow?
    As for Gavrilo Princip…now….that’s an interesting thought. Ha e didn’t go and shoot up a mosque or Catholic church.

    …an act of terrorism..

    What? You calling Gavrilo Princip a terrorist?
    Moving on.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  54. m___ says:
    @Bombercommand

    And thanks likewise,

    By the way, both Paul Craig Roberts’ last article referring to our elites, their incompetence, and submission to Jewish interests and an interview with Kevin B. MacDonald, that one commented on by ourselves, authorized within half an hour by the authors, went of-line, on the back-burner, out of the public listings, into the black hole, in a matter of hours. Back-burner or black hole, up to Unz to explain or stone-wall. The article of P. C. Roberts was replaced with another one of his, within hours (as authors have more then a single submission at some time or other, we are looking foreward to see reappearing both some-where at a more “appropriate” time —or not). The interview was black holed also within hours.

    You are smart enough youlselves, so if both of these authorities on the Jewish question and the elites, (Craig, MacDonalds) stay silent, publicly to the unz.com readers, then that says enough about the labor on this site to keep it tuned, or deceitful as to it’s purpose, the pecking order, what the mindset at unz.com is all about, what goes for method.

    Just as an addendum, our comment, and the comment it refers at on the Ron Unz article

    Banned by Amazon and Purged by the Neocons • 70 Comments • 3 New

    as it stands, as of today, were also scrubbed. Again these comments refer at the central theme: our elites, our rulers are corrupted to the core, all, and respond as puppets to Jewish interests, that is as far as the Western world stands. A civilization of three millennia is erased to the next generation of their own, in less then a hundred years. And replaced with …slavery. Bravo, to the ones that run such a show, boo to the ones that try hard not to take notice, and do not have the balls to respond.

    If any-one doubts the above proceedings, of course, sources are available.

    It seems that denouncing the elites as a whole, as both incompetent, individually corrupt, under Jewish mandate cannot be discussed, Euro-descend “leaders” in the public eye, having sold out their own power base, is outside the boundaries of what goes for unz.com, as well as the wider world. The alternative of unz.com seems to resemble –none.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  55. @peterAUS

    You calling Gavrilo Princip a terrorist?

    Not necessarily. I meant in some people’s perception as obviously the Austrio-Hungarians at the time. You know: one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

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  56. @Kratoklastes

    Anyone with the scantest knowledge of history, will tell you that the whole propaganda of the deed schtick is the worst possible way to get your ideas accepted. It has literally never worked, anywhere, ever.

    Which is precisely why so many of us here are open to the idea that was a false-flag or a psy-op or whatever; because it makes so little sense from a terrorist’s standpoint, but loads of sense from the deep state’s point of view. Cui bono and all that.

    Look, I’m not saying this Tarrant guy wasn’t legitimately crazy. I’m sure Lee Harvey Oswald had a few screws loose as well. But crazy guys can easily–even willingly–be made to serve as patsies for such operations. The CIA, for example, spent decades studying mind-manipulation techniques. Look up ‘MK Ultra’ sometime … it’ll no doubt be eye-opening.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  57. m___ says:
    @The prescription

    Most certainly you posit a valid point of view,

    Now it is all about tuning a common vocabulary, then library, —in “alternative” media space. A hard thing, see our other comments on this thread, (#392) and what “alternative” stands for. As soon as you zoom in, we suspect your effort will be botched.

    The idea world starts in a non morphing space, after all and everything, that would point to a Wikileaks model. Do not bother much here, your effort will be a net loss.

  58. peterAUS says:
    @m___

    ….denouncing the elites as a whole, as both incompetent, individually corrupt, under Jewish mandate cannot be discussed, Euro-descend “leaders” in the public eye, having sold out their own power base…

    IS the key, agree, to start the real game.

    But, that’s not enough. The real key is having an elite which can replace the corrupted. We haven’t got that.

    The only question which I find interesting at the present is simple: how come that in spite of having all this technology for instant communication we, on the “al-right”, haven’t been able to produce such alternative elite?

    What’s wrong with us in that regards?

    THAT is the key.

    Now, I do have a theory, but, how to put it, “not helpful” at the moment.

    BTW, don’t pay attention to “disappearing” and the general vibe of this, or any, place. All that matters is that some of us CAN talk. Again, as in a pub. 200 persons talking about anything….I phase them out, focus on the guy next to me (and drinks, of course…).

    This place, still, provides that channel.

    And, make no mistake: the real game will start only when this channel goes down. Let’s leave it there, for the moment.

  59. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    …one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

    Oh yes…..most definitely.

  60. peterAUS says:

    B.T.W, re the core of the message of the article: no.

    The problem we are facing isn’t some carefully hatched masterplan being executed by top players. No.
    That would’ve been easy to handle.

    The problem is that NZ current ruling elite, and the rest in the developed world, are incompetent. That is the problem.
    The girl with hijab, in any sane world, wouldn’t lead a primary school classroom. In NZ, she is a Prime Minister. That is the problem.

    The reaction to the event couldn’t have been more incompetent. The rush, the heavy-handedness, the overall emotional setup….all characteristics of modern state decision making.

    The masters of old would’ve handled this much better, for people, and for them and for the country. Mature, competent people.
    These, current, people can not. Trump, Macron, May….this girl.
    Yeah……………..

    That is the problem.
    They’ll create exactly what they do not want. And, no, they don’t want real trouble.

    Let me ask a simple question: if you were a member of TPTB, would you really enjoy that coffee in that fancy restaurant knowing there is, albeit small, the chance of a bullet? Or something else……Really enjoy that meal? That villa? That fancy place?
    I don’t think so.

    We, “deplorables” are simply between a rock and a hard place.
    The current elites are incompetent (on top they are corrupted). We haven’t got our own elites, yet.
    The pressure is building with each passing day.

    Well…at the end of the day, somebody will “move”.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  61. @Commentator Mike

    The war was planned in higher circles that Gavrilo Princip couldn’t possibly hope to move in. His bullet simply served as the trigger for the conflict and had it not happened another trigger would have promptly been found and put to use.

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  62. @forgottenpseudonym

    Mulims like little boys,daughters are worth money,and therefore best unsullied before sold to a husband.

  63. @NoseytheDuke

    I agree, he was just the spark, and if he failed there were other Black Handers ready to do it.

  64. Sean says:

    http://www.unz.com/pfrost/they-really-did-start-it/

    During his assasination of the Serbian royal couple in 1903, Colonel Dragutin Dimitrijević hacked of the Queeens breasts and used in in the initiaton ceremonies. of his secret society The Black Hand . In 1914 Dimitrijević ordered the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

    [MORE]

    http://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Majski_prevrat_1903-600×450.jpg

    Serbia paid dearly for the First World War, but the payback was considerable. When the spoils were divided up in 1918, Serbia more than doubled in land area, becoming comparable in size to the large states of Western Europe. The dream of Greater Serbia had come true

  65. @peterAUS

    The problem is that NZ current ruling elite, and the rest in the developed world, are incompetent.

    I am not so sure about that, and am more convinced that there is a deliberate plan behind their actions.

    Take for example the case of the breakup of Yugoslavia with the intention of setting up an Islamic state for the first time in modern Europe. Alia Izetbegovic published his “Islamic Declaration” as long ago as 1969, for which he was later imprisoned in the former Yugoslavia, clearly spelling out his views and intentions, and all of NATO and most of the West, not to mention the Islamic world, backed his plans during the 1990s. Surely it can’t be coincidental, or because of some concerns about the human rights of muslims, considering these same countries are most happy to commit mass murder of muslims in the Middle East.

    I’d say they are quite competent in achieving their ends so far, but thankfully not completely, as always there is some counterbalance. Let’s just hope they become even more incompetent as they overreach in attaining their goals ever-faster. And probably some of their plans overlap with some bigger plans, and some get shelved temporarily. No doubt many of the ruling politicians are quite stupid but behind it all there does seem to be some more deliberate force acting long-term.

    Yet none of them ever considered forcing the breakup of some Arab country to give Arab Christians a state of their own in the heart of the muslim world and then to emigrate Christians oppressed throughout the muslim world into said hypothetical country. You would have considered that the Christian west would prefer some such plan, especially if they care about human rights and oppression of subjected minorities, as the Christians in the muslim world are. Or to resettle Christian sub-Saharan Africans into the rich Arab countries like Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states to solve the overpopulation problem, but the UN replacement migration policy prefers to dump everyone on the Wets. No, it seems their plans go in a totally different direction, chasing down the last white man, woman, and child.

    As much as I try to resist the allure of so-called “conspiracy theories”, it’s becoming harder for me to do so, considering historical geopolitics and what’s going on today.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  66. Che Guava says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    You stupid troll. Having seen the gay anglicans (and finding one to be a very entertaining converasionalist), it was, of course, a big surprise to find, in more recent years, that parts of priesthood the R.C. Church in the U.S.A., the Vatican, and likely Germany, are sodomists.

    Some (a few may be more correct) of the women religious (i.e. nuns) in the U.S.A. are avid clam munchers

    All of those examples are examples of people betraying vows.

    An evil woman named Mary Daley was a ‘professor’ at an RC university, in the U.S.A., only fired just before her death.

    You may gain some education by reading a litttle of her crap. You strike me, not as a troll, but somebody who doesn’t know much abt. anything, and will never (or only much later), work anything out.

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  67. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    …am more convinced that there is a deliberate plan behind their actions…

    Lete’s clarify and summarize the thing.

    Correct, there IS a plan. Very smart people hatched it.
    Their problem is, people executing the plan are incompetent.

    We, on the other hand, have no plan. Our smart people can’t agree to speak with each other, let alone produce a coherent vision. Plan…oh my.

    This shooter, for all his youth, has a vision, made a plan himself and executed a major part of it.

    My take: it gave “them” a pause. Made “them” uncomfortable.
    Incompetent and uncomfortable people tend to make mistakes.

    I am aware so well about the …ahm…alt-Light strategy.

    There is another: make the middle class unhappy with the current paradigm.
    Unhappy people tend to try to do something.

    The reaction to the event, by TPTBs, will make the white middle class more and more unhappy in NZ, Australia and the rest of “colonies”, in that order.
    Yes, around 90 % will buckle and submit. Doesn’t’ matter. 10 % won’t.
    Around 1 % will do something about it. No surveillance state can prevent that.
    And the circle repeats.

    Something will give in.

  68. @Che Guava

    First you claim that I’m a troll and then in the very same comment you say that you don’t think I’m a troll. The confusion evident in your comment likely extends to the confusion in other ares of your life, nudge nudge wink wink, given your own references to your gay friends and your support for the Pedo Priest Pell.

    I would say that the lesson here from this exchange is that when you automatically label anyone who disagrees with you as a troll then you can expect to be trolled, not that I’ve had to add anything to what you’ve written yourself and your extreme sensitivity would suggest that I did strike a nerve when I alluded to your own bentness. Never mind, stay safe now.

  69. @Digital Samizdat

    For me there’s always a tension between two things –

    • the depth of the depravity of the political class (and their camp-followers); and
    • the level of idiocy that a human adult can exhibit while still being able to wipe their own arse.

    The first dot-point above can be neatly characterised as “The Worst, Rule“. That is the first and most important axiom in my conceptual framework for policy analysis. It means that the very first assumption is that the political machinery promulgating any policy is acting primarily to further its own interests (and that of its cronies); their interest in the public rationale for the policy is secondary.

    In other words, anything involving the political class should be subject viewed with extreme skepticism: the burden of proof rests squarely with them; they are not entitled to a presumption of innocence, or even ‘benefit of the doubt’ … because there is no doubt that they are, as a class, parasitic megalomanaical sociopaths.

    And the corollary of having the worst people in a society in charge, is that they have no qualms about sacrificing peons in furtherance of their own objectives.

    Whether that sacrifice is direct (actually doing bad acts) or indirect (permitting bad acts to happen) doesn’t matter to them – they have plenty of personnel who are willing to do bad acts directly, if required. (That last fact – the existence of tax-funded stone-cold, no-questions-asked killers – should worry everybody).

    The second dot-point can only partly explain the Tarrants, Bryants, Breiviks, McVeighs and their ilk. The atrocities attributed to them have too many characteristics that are implausible under a ‘lone nut’ logistical model (where the lone nut does all the organising).

    There are vast numbers of disaffected people scattered through society, and a reasonable proportion of them will have the psychotype that is capable of killing one or more people. I have no problem accepting those propositions.

    However the problem is that disaffected individuals who are prepared to kill people, are unlikely to be good at planning.

    The thing that characterises these guys is that they are – to a man – economic also-rans and cognitive underperformers.

    And yet are are supposed to believe that despite the fact that their lives show that they are terrible at planning and executing plans… they suddenly develop a capability to organise and carry out a moderately complex project, much of which must be clandestine until the actual event. (The fact that Breivik and Tarrant were regular gym-goers is not evidence that they ‘planned’… neither of them was in particularly good shape, for a start).

    Contrast that with some dummy who drives a car into a crowd, or attacks people with a machete in the street. There’s no logistical element; nothing for security forces to detect beforehand. It’s perfectly consistent with “pissed off idiot capable of killing someone”.

    Contrast it also with the likes of Ted Kaczynski: he was also a nut, but he was also a priori capable of the logistics required to do what he did, which is why he got away with it for almost two decades.

    With these mass shooters. it’s a contest between two explanations:
    Ⓐ political shitbags send their paid killers to kill some folks for some venal reason;
    OR
    Ⓑ halfwit organises and executes clandestine logistics effort, then executes special-forces level fire and movement operation (Tarrant’s effort wasn’t particularly special, but Breivik and Bryant’s were).

    Ⓐ is always inherently more plausible; Ⓑ is only plausible if state security forces drop the ball or stay out of the way.

    And as you rightly point out, dummies can also be ginned up by someone acting to further the interests of some political asshole.

    We know, for example, that almost every ‘foiled’ terrrrrrrrrist plot has turned out to have been the result of entrapment – so-called ‘sting’ operations. These sting operations have a couple of common characteristics:
    (1) the perpetrators are halfwits who had neither the means nor the intention to do any large-scale violent acts; and
    (ii) an undercover agent provocateur is the invariably the prime-mover – the guy encouraging an escalation from rhetoric to action, promising to furnish requisite explosives etc.

    As for MKULTRA, I think that’s overblown.

    I have no doubt that the US government tried a bunch of adventures in psychotropics, hallucinogens, attempts at post-hypnotic suggestion, and psychobabble. Probably paid absolute top dollar for it, too. Some psychosophasters and other snake-oil pedlars grifted a good living out of it, and a bunch of test subjects probably got seriously fucked up.

    As to anything with concrete operational merit, nah: I reckon they discovered that the Pledge of Allegiance does as much indoctrination during K-12, as can be achieved through MKULTRA-type nonsense. And of course, only to suggestible, low-IQ gullible dummies.

    Not sayin’ they don’t have trained killers with ice in their veins: I’ve already indicated that I accept that all governments have those on staff, e.g., the guys the US government used to assassinate Frank Olson when they got the sense that he was going to blow the whistle for US use of biological weapons in Korea.

    But like all psychobabble, MKULTRA psychocharlatanry should be expected to yield results that are not statistically different from placebo.

  70. @DESERT FOX

    “The NZ deal was a drill with crisis actors and no one died”

    Well, I didn’t think so at first, but look closely at the video when he enters the mosque.

    There’s a magazine lying on the floor already. It’s grainy video, but you can see a curved object. He walks by it, shoots people, gets rushed, falls down, goes back and shoots more people. he comes back for a first reload, which is a magazine he dropped when he was rushed. But then he goes back to get the one that was lying in the hallway at the beginning of the video when he entered.

    Not saying it is fake, but why would a mosque just leave an AR15 magazine around with white writing on it?

  71. Oswald says:

    Prof Greg Barton is very likely to be a Muslim convert. At his previous institution he appointed as a Lecturer in Terrorism the very high profile Mudlim and terrorist apologist Waleed Aly to the staff. I once saw Barton being interviewed in his office and I spotted a Muslim prayer rug on a shelf in the office.

  72. Johan says:
    @Cowboy

    One wonders, why would Zionism commit genocide on the host it parasitizes on (the Western countries, and foremost, the US). Replace the highly qualified whites with at large low qualified immigrants, of which also quite some are hostile towards Israel/Jews, where is the advantage for the terrorist parasite?
    Additionally, it took decades to brainwash Westerners into multiculturalism, into the holohaux and many other things. By replacing the at large complacent brainwashed white Westerners, they’d have to start the brainwashing and manipulation program all again…

    White Nationalist logic makes no sense to me.

  73. Johan says:
    @Pontius

    Especially never if it is a liberal woman..

  74. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    it was another instance of your govt demonstrating that they aren’t accountable to you

    (if you’re an American)

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