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Every automobile in France is supposed to be equipped with a yellow vest. This is so that in case of accident or breakdown on a highway, the driver can put it on to ensure visibility and avoid getting run over.

So the idea of wearing your yellow vest to demonstrate against unpopular government measures caught on quickly. The costume was at hand and didn’t have to be provided by Soros for some more or less manufactured “color revolution”. The symbolism was fitting: in case of socio-economic emergency, show that you don’t want to be run over.

Demonstrators gather near the Arc de Triomphe in Paris during a protest on Saturday. Credit: AFP/Getty images
Demonstrators gather near the Arc de Triomphe in Paris during a protest on Saturday. Credit: AFP/Getty images

As everybody knows, what set off the protest movement was yet another rise in gasoline taxes. But it was immediately clear that much more was involved. The gasoline tax was the last straw in a long series of measures favoring the rich at the expense of the majority of the population. That is why the movement achieved almost instant popularity and support.

The Voices of the People

The Yellow Vests held their first demonstrations on Saturday, November 17 on the Champs-Elysées in Paris. It was totally unlike the usual trade union demonstrations, well organized to march down the boulevard between the Place de la République and the Place de la Bastille, or the other way around, carrying banners and listening to speeches from leaders at the end. The Gilets Jaunes just came, with no organization, no leaders to tell them where to go or to harangue the crowd. They were just there, in the yellow vests, angry and ready to explain their anger to any sympathetic listener.

Briefly, the message was this: we can’t make ends meet. The cost of living keeps going up, and our incomes keep going down. We just can’t take it any more. The government must stop, think and change course.

MacronRevolutionBut so far, the reaction of the government was to send police to spray torrents of tear gas on the crowd, apparently to keep the people at a distance from the nearby Presidential residence, the Elysee Palace. President Macron was somewhere else, apparently considering himself above and beyond it all.

But those who were listening could learn a lot about the state of France today. Especially in the small towns and rural areas, where many protesters came from. Things are much worse than officials and media in Paris have let on.

There were young women who were working seven days a week and despaired of having enough money to feed and clothe their children.

People were angry but ready to explain very clearly the economic issues.

Colette, age 83, doesn’t own a car, but explained to whoever would listen that the steep rise of gasoline prices would also hurt people who don’t drive, by affecting prices of food and other necessities. She had done the calculations and figured it would cost a retired person 80 euros per month.

“Macron didn’t run on the promise to freeze pensions,” recalled a Yellow Vest, but that is what he has done, along with increasing solidarity taxes on pensioners.

A significant and recurring complaint concerned the matter of health care. France has long had the best public health program in the world, but this is being steadily undermined to meet the primary need of capital: profit. In the past few years, there has been a growing government campaign to encourage, and finally to oblige people to subscribe to a “mutuelle”, that is, a private health insurance plan, ostensibly to fill “the gaps” not covered by France’s universal health coverage. The “gaps” can be the 15% that is not covered for ordinary illnesses (grave illnesses are covered 100%), or for medicines taken off the “covered” list, or for dental work, among other things. The “gaps” to fill keep expanding, along with the cost of subscribing to the mutuelle. In reality, this program, sold to the public as modernizing improvement, is a gradual move toward privatization of health care. It is a sneaky method of opening the whole field of public health to international financial capital investment. This gambit has not fooled ordinary people and is high on the list of complaints by the Gilets Jaunes.

The degradation of care in the public hospitals is another complaint. There are fewer and fewer hospitals in rural areas, and one must “wait long enough to die” emergency rooms. Those who can afford it are turning to private hospitals. But most can’t. Nurses are overworked and underpaid. When one hears what nurses have to endure, one is reminded that this is indeed a noble profession.

In all this I was reminded of a young woman we met at a public picnic in southwestern France last summer. She cares for elderly people who live at home alone in rural areas, driving from one to another, to feed them, bathe them, offer a moment of cheerful company and understanding. She loves her vocation, loves helping old people, although it barely allows her to make a living. She will be among those who will have to pay more to get from one patient to the next.

People pay taxes willingly when they are getting something for it. But not when the things they are used to are being taken away. The tax evaders are the super-rich and the big corporations with their batteries of lawyers and safe havens, or intruders like Amazon and Google, but ordinary French people have been relatively disciplined in paying taxes in return for excellent public services: optimum health care, first class public transport, rapid and efficient postal service, free university education. But all that is under assault from the reign of financial capital called “neo-liberalism” here. In rural areas, more and more post offices, schools and hospitals are shut down, unprofitable train service is discontinued as “free competition” is introduced following European Union directives – measures which oblige people to drive their cars more than ever. Especially when huge shopping centers drain small towns of their traditional shops.

Incoherent Energy Policies

And the tax announced by the government – an additional 6.6 cents per liter for diesel and an additional 2.9 centers per liter of gasoline – are only the first steps in a series of planned increases over the next years. The measures are supposed to incite people to drive less or even better, to scrap their old vehicles and buy nice new electric cars.

More and more “governance” is an exercise in social engineering by technocrats who know what is best. This particular exercise goes directly opposite to an earlier government measure of social engineering which used economic incitements to get people to buy cars running on diesel. Now the government has changed its mind. Over half of personal vehicles still run on diesel, although the percentage has been dropping. Now their owners are told to go buy an electric car instead. But people living on the edge simply can’t afford the switch.

Besides, the energy policy is incoherent. In theory, the “green” economy includes shutting down France’s many nuclear power plants. Without them, where would the electricity come from to run the electric cars? And nuclear power is “clean”, no CO2. So what is going on? People wonder.

The most promising alternative sources of energy in France are the strong tides along northern coasts. But last July, the Tidal Energies project on the Normandy coast was suddenly dropped because it wasn’t profitable – not enough customers. This is symptomatic of what is wrong with the current government. Major new industrial projects are almost never profitable at first, which is why they need government support and subsidies to get going, with a view to the future. Such projects were supported under de Gaulle, raising France to the status of major industrial power, and providing unprecedented prosperity for the population as a whole. But the Macron government is not investing in the future nor doing anything to preserve industries that remain. The key French energy corporation Alstom was sold to General Electric under his watch.

Indeed, it is perfectly hypocritical to call the French gas tax an “ecotax” since the returns from a genuine ecotax would be invested to develop clean energies – such as tidal power plants. Rather, the benefits are earmarked to balance the budget, that is, to serve the government debt. The Macronian gas tax is just another austerity measure – along with cutting back public services and “selling the family jewels”, that is, selling potential money-makers like Alstom, port facilities and the Paris airports.

The Government Misses the Point

Initial government responses showed that they weren’t listening. They dipped into their pool of clichés to denigrate something they didn’t want to bother to understand.

President Macron’s first reaction was to guilt-trip the protesters by invoking the globalists’ most powerful argument for imposing unpopular measures: global warming. Whatever small complaints people may have, he indicated, that is nothing compared to the future of the planet.

This did not impress people who, yes, have heard all about climate change and care as much as anyone for the environment, but who are obliged to retort: “I’m more worried about the end of the month than about the end of the world.”

After the second Yellow Vest Saturday, November 25, which saw more demonstrators and more tear gas, the Minister in charge of the budget, Gérard Darmanin, declared that what had demonstrated on the Champs-Elysée was “la peste brune”, the brown plague, meaning fascists. (For those who enjoy excoriating the French as racist, it should be noted that Darmanin is of Algerian working class origins). This remark caused an uproar of indignation that revealed just how great is public sympathy for the movement – over 70% approval by latest polls, even after uncontrolled vandalism. Macron’s Minister of the Interior, Christophe Castaner, was obliged to declare that government communication had been badly managed. Of course, that is the familiar technocratic excuse: we are always right, but it is all a matter of our “communication”, not of the facts on the ground.

Maybe I have missed something, but of the many interviews I have listened to, I have not heard one word that would fall into the categories of “far right”, much less “fascism” – or even that indicated any particular preference in regard to political parties. These people are wholly concerned with concrete practical issues. Not a whiff of ideology – remarkable in Paris!

Some people ignorant of French history and eager to exhibit their leftist purism have suggested that the Yellow Vests are dangerously nationalistic because they occasionally wave French flags and sing La Marseillaise. That simply means that they are French. Historically, the French left is patriotic, especially when it is revolting against the aristocrats and the rich or during the Nazi Occupation[i]The exception was the student uprising of May 1968, which was not a revolt of the poor but a revolt in a time of prosperity in favor of greater personal freedom: “it is forbidden to forbid”. The May ’68 generation has turned out to be the most anti-French generation in history, for reasons that can’t be dealt with here. To some extent, the Yellow Vests mark a return of the people after half a century of scorn from the liberal intelligentsia.. It is just a way of saying, We are the people, we do the work, and you must listen to our grievances. To be a bad thing, “nationalism” must be aggressive toward other nations. This movement is not attacking anybody, it is strictly staying home.

The Weakness of Macron

The Yellow Vests have made clear to the whole world that Emmanuel Macron was an artificial product sold to the electorate by an extraordinary media campaign.

Macron was the rabbit magically pulled out of a top hat, sponsored by what must be called the French oligarchy. After catching the eye of established king-maker Jacques Attali, the young Macron was given a stint at the Rothschild bank where he could quickly gain a small fortune, ensuring his class loyalty to his sponsors. Media saturation and the scare campaign against “fascist” Marine LePen (who moreover flubbed her major debate) put Macron in office. He had met his wife when she was teaching his theater class, and now he gets to play President.

The mission assigned to him by his sponsors was clear. He must carry through more vigorously the “reforms” (austerity measures) already undertaken by previous governments, which had often dawdled at hastening the decline of the social State.

And beyond that, Macron was supposed to “save Europe”. Saving Europe means saving the European Union from the quagmire in which it finds itself.

This is why cutting expenses and balancing the budget is his obsession. Because that’s what he was chosen to do by the oligarchy that sponsored his candidacy. He was chosen by the financial oligarchy above all to save the European Union from threatening disintegration caused by the euro. The treaties establishing the EU and above all the common currency, the euro, have created an imbalance between member states that is unsustainable. The irony is that previous French governments, starting with Mitterrand, are largely responsible for this state of affairs. In a desperate and technically ill-examined effort to keep newly unified Germany from becoming the dominant power in Europe, the French insisted on binding Germany to France by a common currency. Reluctantly, the Germans agreed to the euro – but only on German terms. The result is that Germany has become the unwilling creditor of equally unwilling EU member states, Italy, Spain, Portugal and of course, ruined Greece. The financial gap between Germany and its southern neighbors keeps expanding, which causes ill will on all sides.

Germany doesn’t want to share economic power with states it considers irresponsible spendthrifts. So Macron’s mission is to show Germany that France, despite its flagging economy, is “responsible”, by squeezing the population in order to pay interest on the debt. Macron’s idea is that the politicians in Berlin and the bankers in Frankfurt will be so impressed that they will turn around and say, well done Emmanuel, we are ready to throw our wealth into a common pot for the benefit of all 27 Member States. And that is why Macron will stop at nothing to balance the budget, to make the Germans love him.

So far, the Macron magic is not working on the Germans, and it’s driving his own people into the streets.

Or are they his own people? Does Macron really care about his run of the mill compatriots who just work for a living? The consensus is that he does not.

Macron is losing the support both of the people in the streets and the oligarchs who sponsored him. He is not getting the job done.

Macron’s rabbit-out-of-the hat political ascension leaves him with little legitimacy, once the glow of glossy magazine covers wears off. With help from his friends, Macron invented his own party, La République en Marche, which doesn’t mean much of anything but suggested action. He peopled his party with individuals from “civil society”, often medium entrepreneurs with no political experience, plus a few defectors from either the Socialist or the Republican Parties, to occupy the most important government posts.

The only well-known recruit from “civil society” was the popular environmental activist, Nicolas Hulot, who was given the post of Minister of Environment, but who abruptly resigned in a radio announcement last August, citing frustration.

Macron’s strongest supporter from the political class was Gérard Collomb, Socialist Mayor of Lyons, who was given the top cabinet post of Minister of Interior, in charge of the national police. But shortly after Hulot left, Collomb said he was leaving too, to go back to Lyons. Macron entreated him to stay on, but on October 3, Collomb went ahead and resigned, with a stunning statement referring to “immense problems” facing his successor. In the “difficult neighborhoods” in the suburbs of major cities, he said, the situation is “very much degraded : it’s the law of the jungle that rules, drug dealers and radical Islamists have taken the place of the Republic.” Such suburbs need to be “reconquered”.

After such a job description, Macron was at a loss to recruit a new Interior Minister. He groped around and came up with a crony he had chosen to head his party, ex-Socialist Christophe Castaner. With a degree in criminology, Castaner’s main experience qualifying him to head the national police is his close connection, back in his youth in the 1970s, with a Marseilles Mafioso, apparently due to his penchant for playing poker and drinking whiskey in illegal dens.

Saturday, November 17, demonstrators were peaceful, but resented the heavy tear-gas attacks. Saturday November 25, things got a big rougher, and on Saturday December 1st, all hell broke loose. With no leaders and no service d’ordre (militants assigned to protect the demonstrators from attacks, provocations and infiltration), it was inevitable that casseurs (smashers) got into the act and started smashing things, looting shops and setting fires to trash cans, cars and even buildings. Not only in Paris, but all over France: from Marseilles to Brest, from Toulouse to Strasbourg. In the remote town of Puy en Velay, known for its chapel perched on a rock and its traditional lace-making, the Prefecture (national government authority) was set on fire. Tourist arrivals are cancelled and fancy restaurants are empty and department stores fear for their Christmas windows. The economic damages are enormous.

And yet, support for the Yellow Vests remains high, probably because people are able to distinguish between those grieved citizens and the vandals who love to wreak destruction for its own sake.

On Monday, there were suddenly fresh riots in the troubled suburbs that Collomb warned about as he retreated to Lyons. This was a new front for the national police, whose representatives let it be known that all this was getting to be much too much for them to cope with. Announcing a state of emergency is not likely to solve anything.

Macron is a bubble that has burst. The legitimacy of his authority is very much in question. Yet he was elected in 2017 for a five year term, and his party holds a large majority in parliament that makes his resignation almost impossible.

So what next? Despite having been sidelined by Macron’s electoral victory in 2017, politicians of all hews are trying to recuperate the movement – but discreetly, because the Gilets Jaunes have made clear their distrust of all politicians. This is not a movement that seeks to take power. It simply seeks redress of its grievances. The government should have listened in the first place, accepted discussions and compromise. This gets more difficult as time goes on, but nothing is impossible.

For some two or three hundred years, people one could call “left” hoped that popular movements would lead to changes for the better. Today, many leftists seem terrified of popular movements for change, convinced “populism” must lead to “fascism”. This attitude is one of many factors indicating that the changes ahead will not be led by the left as it exists today. Those who fear change will not be there to help make it happen. But change is inevitable and it need not be for the worse.

Notes

[i] The exception was the student uprising of May 1968, which was not a revolt of the poor but a revolt in a time of prosperity in favor of greater personal freedom: “it is forbidden to forbid”. The May ’68 generation has turned out to be the most anti-French generation in history, for reasons that can’t be dealt with here. To some extent, the Yellow Vests mark a return of the people after half a century of scorn from the liberal intelligentsia.

 
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  1. El Dato says:

    in return for excellent public services: optimum health care, first class public transport, rapid and efficient postal service, free university education

    Protip: France is not Japan.

    If you are looking for ANY of the above, DO NOT GO TO FRANCE.

    “Optimum health care”. Where can that be found in the hexagone? Maybe in private retreats for the well connected? Go to a hospital, see how it goes. It will definitely be sub-optimal.

    “Free university education?” As for practically anything free, in particular “education”, it’s horrific:

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20160929/eight-troubles-with-french-universities-laid-bare

    On Thursday, the satisfaction ratings from international students were low enough to land French universities as the worst in Europe.

    Indeed, France is the epitome of failed public services, or worse – failed public service which are enormous debt craters and where replacement by at least potentially successful private service is actively discouraged.

    A “Mutuelle” is nothing sinister, it is a recognition that The State doesn’t care about you and you better had a second choice, even if you can’t escape being forcibly made to pay for actually unavailable goods via taxation.

    I would rather have a private health service that works, Madame Socialiste.

    It is the great tragedy of France that the only free market thinker it had, Frédéric Bastiat, has been completely forgotten and the heavy hand of the socialist state, going back to Louis XIV at least, can be felt everywhere.

  2. El Dato says:

    The exception was the student uprising of May 1968, which was not a revolt of the poor but a revolt in a time of prosperity in favor of greater personal freedom: “it is forbidden to forbid”.

    There is an excellent book by Denis Tillinac on this:

    Mai 68 l’arnaque du siècle (May ’68, the rip-off of the century)

    … where the author reminisces about the events he personally witnessed and has some sad fun describing utterly confused, libido and Che-Guevara kitsch driven juveniles often with too much money, red revolutionaries of all possible splinter philosophies, cowering university worthies and other riffraff. It was an early manifestation of antifa and cultural marxism mixed with the far more immediate desire of sleeping around. Lack of restraint, absence of philosophy, rejection of tradition for the sake of rejection, empty and incomprehensible revolutionary slogans, nihilism. The same people are now running the place, all grown up.

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    , @anon
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  3. utu says:
    @El Dato

    Free market is a fetish of simple minds that can’t handle complexity.

  4. JRB says: • Website

    Good article, it gave me some insights in the backgrounds of this movement. I noticed that you forgot to mention how during the Presidential election François Fillon was removed by an orchestrated media campaign. If this hadn’t happened he probably would have won.

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  5. tac says:

    Police in support of the the yellow vests:

    Firefighters turn their backs on authorities:

    Macron with egg on his face:

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    , @Anon
  6. @El Dato

    The yellow vests do not agree with you.

    Nor any intelligent person. You sound like a paid mouthpiece. At a quarter a response. Hope you like your quarter I just gave you.

    And by the way, the French system is still better than the American.

  7. renfro says:

    Maybe Macron will lose his head like another ‘dilettante King’ did. This group is who Macron invited to play at the presidential palace on France’s Make Music Day, which was created in 1981
    Instead of Court Jesters he and Donald of Orange prefer Court Rappers.

  8. Ms. Johnstone, don’t be naive, the casseurs are all police agents provocateurs. This goes on in all Western countries, if its “black bloc” its the stinking cops. I have seen it with my own eyes. Toronto, Rodney King verdict protests. I was walking to Yonge St. on St Charles, as I reached the corner of Yonge and Charles, there were two uniforms standing there and something about them made me stop. Almost no protesters walking down Yonge. Within two minutes, from a dark side street across from the cops two masked guys trotted out onto Yonge, chose a storefront broke the windows then trotted back where they came from, watched by the two cops who did nothing, not even pick up their radios.

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  9. jim jones says:

    I wonder how much all those Muslims and Africans living in Social Housing cost the French.

  10. Miro23 says:

    For some two or three hundred years, people one could call “left” hoped that popular movements would lead to changes for the better. Today, many leftists seem terrified of popular movements for change, convinced “populism” must lead to “fascism”. This attitude is one of many factors indicating that the changes ahead will not be led by the left as it exists today.

    “Left” and “Right” are out of date concepts that don’t deal with the problem.

    If the European Union had worked as it was supposed to, with 1) solid external frontiers 2) promotion of European manufacturing and human capital, things would be far better. The problem is that neoliberal elite wanted the giant profits available through globalization, and they hijacked the EU leadership to enable mass industrial outsourcing and mass immigration of cheap labour.

    Nationalism is the answer to this (George Orwell: “My Country, Right or Left”), which prioritizes the human development and opportunities for all classes of French citizens, rather than the present small globalist elite. The globalist elite are as much traitors to the French “right” as they are to the French “left”.

  11. Anonymous[486] • Disclaimer says:

    “Let them drive Teslas.”

    -Emmanuel Macron

  12. ” and his party holds a large majority in parliament that makes his removal almost impossible ”
    The French electoral system made it possible, again, that with a few votes you get an overwhelming majority in parliament.
    Macron’s brand new party, former presdent Hollande dissolved his social-democratic party (in both the Netherlands and Germany social democratic parties hardly exist any more, does anyone see the name Schulz mentioned any more ?), got some 375 seats in parliament with fifteen percent of the possible votes.
    France, as Dutch politician Tjeenk Willink said ‘is a monarchy with an elected emperor, the Netherlands is a republic with a hereditary head of state’.

    Macron oversees that shortly after 1791 the French also had enough, enough of hunger, four consecutive years of failed harvests, the aristocracy increasing taxes, their life style had to remain the same

    What we now see in France indeed has little to do with ideology, much with making ends meet.
    In any French supermarket publicité, as the word is in French for commercial publicity, one finds words as, translated ‘beating the cost of living’, ‘retaining buying power’.

    Democracy stopped in the European continent when in 2005 all three referenda, there were just three: France, Netherlands, Ireland, against the so called ‘European constitution’ were ignored.
    A French politician as Ségolène Royal, former wife of Hollande, said in BBCWHardtalk ‘we will never ask the French people if they want an EU’.
    The Brexit referendum, in her view, a great political mistake.

    What we see now, all over the European continent is the ‘we want our country back’ movement.
    The yellow coat has become the symbol.
    This is why the ruling class is in such confusion, the one and only solution is that they all disappear from politics.
    Hints to the guillotine are anywhere.

    In a few words, more and more French hardly can make ends meet, but Macron increases fuel prices with 23%, want to close nuclear reactor plants, replacing them with expensive wind electricity, wants to reform (=making worse) the French pension system, wants a EU army (for the suppression of rebellions, many think), wants to open France for mass immigration, for those that cost money, and will lower wages.

    In France intellectuals are in esteem, the smallest town has a bookshop, any supermarket sells books of high intellectual level, tv debates, though apparently just shouting through each other, are, compared to any country of which I can understand the language, of high intellectual level.
    Taboo subjects hardly seem to exist, Eric Zemmour can calmly explain on tv that what he foresees is civil war, ending is mass deportations.
    The CO2 madness can be rejected in France in a bestseller.
    Muslims around 700 CE in S France can be described in a recent book of the month club as civilised in comparison with the christian barbares from the North

    Eric Zemmour, ‘Le Suicide Francais’, 2014 Paris
    Christian Gerondeau, ‘Le CO2 est bon pour la planete, Climat, la grande manipulation’, Paris 2017
    Jean Deviosse, ‘Charles Martel’, 1978 2006 Paris

  13. Some people ignorant of French history and eager to exhibit their leftist purism have suggested that the Yellow Vests are dangerously nationalistic because they occasionally wave French flags and sing La Marseillaise.

    Irony: the flag of the French Republic was originally invented by leftists! Both the flag and the Marseillaise date from the French Revolution.

    The May ’68 generation has turned out to be the most anti-French generation in history, for reasons that can’t be dealt with here. To some extent, the Yellow Vests mark a return of the people after half a century of scorn from the liberal intelligentsia.

    That’s the feeling I get now, too: that 2018 is shaping up to be the anti-1968. Rock on!

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  14. @utu

    Actually, utu, advocacy of free markets displays an understanding and acceptance of the complexity of human societies. The free-marketeer makes no attempt to plan, regulate, and control the choices of millions of human beings whose dignity and free will demand recognition. The Marxist and the crypto-Marxist in their various manifestations represent the worst of humanity. Frequently they are no more than frustrated, chronically enraged serial killers. In their understanding of science and of the complexity of human nature, they hearken back to the late Nineteenth Century, before quantum mechanics, when simpletons and rubes of all kinds believed “science” was about to solve every human “problem.” They are simplistic and mechanistic in their thinking and long for the emergence of a Stalin or a Hitler who will quickly establish a network of death camps for “mystifiers” and “religious charlatans.”

  15. Miro23 says:
    @El Dato

    “Optimum health care”. Where can that be found in the hexagone? Maybe in private retreats for the well connected? Go to a hospital, see how it goes. It will definitely be sub-optimal.

    Personal experience can say otherwise. On a visit to Paris some years ago I needed expensive emergency medical treatment and got it free of (direct) charge through the European “Blue card” (reciprocal state medical care for contributing EU citizens). I got a private room, all African nurses (very good), a Rumanian specialist and French doctors (also very good). It was quite straightforward and good work with the required machines.

    I’ve had the same experience with specialist work in state Spanish hospitals. Citizens and hospital staff have a strong loyalty to their system, and it works in an efficient high throughput way to give good results. Many Spanish doctors and specialists combine work in state hospitals with work in private hospitals and practices (for example state hospital in the morning and private in the afternoon to supplement their income).

    They’re doing a lot at relatively low cost and fulfilling the most important “social contract”.

    Spanish state hospitals do it with mostly Spanish staff (some South Americans), so it would be better from the national French point of view if they could also do it with mostly French staff. No doubt the problem is economic (they can’t pay the salaries), but this comes back to tax revenue. If French industry hadn’t been off-shored (Decathaloned) , employment and tax revenues would be much better and they could run their (efficient) healthcare system with less stress.

    Also, I think that African nurses and Rumanian specialists are not the real problem. The real problem is the elite globalist fear of Nationalism (as in Trumps “America First”) with their mass immigration being a political policy aimed at undermining the ethnic national base.

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  16. Fine analysis, mes compliments. I do not agree, however with the use of the categories “left” and “right.” Of course, these terms are still being used in public debate, referring to traditional, historically determined realities. In this scheme of things, Socialism (Social Democracy) is still understood to be part of the “left.” But the tradional left and right died a long time ago.

    After the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of “real existing Socialism” in the East, all European Social-Democratic parties have embraced Neo-Liberalism, betraying their traditional voters in the process. Whether these parties were called Labour, PS, PSOE, SPD, PSI, etc., they all became enthusiastic suporters of privatization and “free competition.”

    Why? Because since the US conquest and occupation of Europe in 1944/45, the US regime has been relying on Socialists as a guarantee against their imperial territories becoming Communist. Especially in France, Italy, Belgium and to a lesser extent the Netherlands, during the 1940s, Communists were the biggest or second biggest party. The US supported the Socialists here with lavish funds, technical assistance and consistent propaganda, to lure away support for Communism. This proved an effectve strategy, but with the collapse of Communism, the Socialists were no longer needed to prop up US imperial dominance. They were free to drop their masks.

    Where did the traditional Socialist voters turn to? Well to the FN (Le Pen) and other ultra “right” parties. Thus the “left” became the “right.”

    What did the Socialists turned far right Neo Liberals do? They started to insult their former voters for being “neo fascists.” And whenever a leader of the new “far right” parties proved popular or succesful, he was eliminated, either through character assassination or other forms of propaganda (Berlusconi), oy arranging an accident (Jörg Haider of Austria’s FPÖ in 2008), or classic political murder (Pim Fortuyn in The Netherlands in 2002).

    And then there were all those people from North Africa and the Middle East, brought in as the Socialists’ new Stimmvieh, (“voting cattle”) as the Germans so eloquently say. They were also brought in to foment social division, so as to enable better political control on the divide and rule principle. And to bring down wages and destroy the welfare state. So far, this scheme seems to have been working fine. But so many of these black and/or mohammedan people were imported that not even the Socialists are able to control them any longer.

    What we see now in France is the rebellion of all those working class and middle class people, many of whom once voted Socialist, but who were consistently betrayed by their former leaders and bled dry by their government in a million ways. The rebellion in France was preceded by the desperate revolt by the Greek middle and working class after the plunder by the big banks and by rioting in Spain.

    Let’s just hope and pray the movement wil soon spread to the rest of Europe. Before Christmas, just to help realize the wish spray-painted on a Paris wall: “The Bourgeoisie will not have a nice Christmas.”

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  17. The elections were rigged so that Macron ran against Le Pen. Very similar to what happened when brazen, otherwise unelectable crook Jacques Chirac ran against her father.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  18. The main problem in France and othe eurozone countries (Italy a current example) is that they don’t issue their own currency. Any economy running significantly below full capacity and with large unemployment and underemployment should increase money flows in the economy. Since France is in the euro straitjacket and can’t compensate with own-issued currency, it has to borrow in the financial markets, which means more debt. Which is not allowed in the EU system, and which would also make the debt problem even bigger for the future – “kicking the can down the road”.

    I refer to this article, written together with two colleagues:

    NINE YEARS WITH EURO CRISIS – TIME TO THINK ANEW

    Trond Andresen, associate professor, Department of engineering Cybernetics, NTNU, Norway

    Steve Keen, professor of Economics, Kingston University, London

    Marco Cattaneo, founding member “Fiscal Money Group”, chairman CPI Private Equity, Milan

    We have now seen nine years of social crisis and huge unemployment in many euro countries. An entire youth generation has barely experienced anything but being out of work. Still no solution has been found or implemented. The time is overdue to think outside the box.

    We propose a solution that has circulated internationally for several years: some of us have argued for this since 2011.

    Both households and businesses should be provided with an additional national means of payment, “Electronic Parallel Money” (“EPM”).

    [MORE]

    Our proposal works like this: EPM transactions take place via mobile phone, PC and card. The transactions are logged on a server in the country’s central bank. There are no EPM coins and notes in circulation. The government (and local authorities) have EPM accounts in the central bank. These are debited when the public pays wages and pensions, or purchases goods and services. All citizens and enterprises also receive a user account there.

    EPM will greatly reduce unemployment and enable people and businesses to exchange goods and services. It will alleviate the social crisis and reduce pessimism in economics and society. Such a solution is now being discussed in Italy, triggered by the acute budgetary conflict with the EU.

    New EPM is created as needed in the central bank. The public sector pays both in EPM and Euro. The ratio can be adjusted based on how the economy develops. Taxes are collected in a corresponding mix of the two currencies. The EPM will have value since it can be used to pay taxes. While government and other public sectors pay expenses and collect taxes in the same and fixed ratios, the euro/EPM mix used in private sector transactions can be freely chosen by the parties involved, and will thus vary.

    We are very aware that an EPM proposal will be met with opposition from the EU’s elites, and many columnists in the financial press. However, the scheme will not be illegal according to EU monetary policy: the EPMs are legally government bonds that are extinguished when holders use them to meet tax claims. In addition, they do not exist physically – there are no EPM banknotes or coins, thus avoiding conflict with the euro’s money monopoly.

    One can expect that the public’s initial confidence in the EPM will be very low, not the least because of widespread skepticism with national authorities who have not managed to counteract the crisis for nine years. For the analysis, it may be useful to define two terms, “trust” and “need”. Although trust is very low from the beginning, the need is very high: one should expect some initial use of the EPM because the options ‘no sale’ or ‘no job’ are worse. Over time, other actors will observe that transactions with the EPM are taking place, which will increase trust – which leads to more acceptance of a certain percentage of EPM in payments.

    Eventually this will also include wages. When firms receive a share of EPMs in payment, they will ask their employees to accept a share of EPMs in wages. And employees will then often have the choice of accepting this or unemployment. This again causes businesses to become more willing to accept EPM in payments. We get a positive spiral.

    After an initial period of political turbulence and low confidence, the EPM will approach a value not so far below the euro, because one EPM counts as one euro in the payment of tax. And as long as the economy is far away from full employment and the business sector has significant spare capacity, the inflationary impact of more money due to the circulation of EPM will be minimal.

    A parallel electronic national currency will – with immediate effects – improve the situation for most residents of euro-crisis countries. It will also give the countries a much stronger position to negotiate euro debt forgiveness or easing the debt service burden.

    Our proposal allows for a gradual and controlled movement towards a national currency, if desired (and yes, we are aware that this will be met with resistance from the EU system). Or for that case, the opposite: to later turn 100 percent back to euro if that option is considered better. It gives the National Assembly in a crisis country time to consider and make decisions in both directions, based on experience with the EPM.

    Sadly, our observation over many years is that it is almost impossible to get public and academic conversation about alternative solutions that can make a big difference. This text is thus an exception. The authors are an engineer and two economists respectively. We wish to emphasize a point (provocative for some colleagues) about the difference between the social sciences’ and engineering culture, and which can explain to some extent why it is so difficult to implement even obvious solutions: social scientists and economists are – in contrast to the engineers – mostly concerned with describing the state of things, not finding solutions. Engineers look for solutions.

    An economist who was very aware of this shortcoming was John Maynard Keynes. He expressed it somewhat sarcastically:

    “Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally.”

    Our EPM proposal ignores “reputation”, and proposes a means to succeed unconventionally when all conventional methods have failed.

  19. Franz says:
    @utu

    Free market is a fetish of simple minds that can’t handle complexity.

    Amen, utu, amen.

    Libertarian-X, all of us, found out the hard way that Bastiat and all the rest from A-hole Smith to A-hole Rand were just agents who “solved all the problems of the world by ignoring most of them” to steal a quote. Capitalism began the Unenlightenment, the stupidization of man.

    I ain’t French but I got a yellow vest from where I work and I’ll be glad to slip it on and go wherever I can get to when that fine idea moves here. I think the USA’s original allies have another good idea, bless them.

    Down with the State! Down with International Finance that owns the State! All of ‘em.

    • Agree: animalogic
    • Replies: @Mark G.
  20. @Bombercommand

    I am certainly not naive, but I refrain from making statements I can’t prove. I have also seen such phenomena, but I didn’t actually witness it in this case. Anyone can be suspicious but I stuck to known facts.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  21. @utu

    “Free markets” are a lie peddled by predators & idiots. That they do so with religious fervor only compounds their shallowness or “sin”.

  22. RVBlake says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Viktor Orban has remarked that the rise of populism in Europe is a repudiation of the 1968 generation, what Christopher Hitchens proudly called the “Soixante-Huitards.”

  23. So, the Social Taxes all those migrants brought in to do the work the French people wouldn’t do didn’t materialise, eh?

    The globalist Agenda 2030 is designed to save us all by getting us out of our cars and suburbs and into “sustainable” cities where it will be easier to kill us off by the billions for a more “sustainable” Earth of the future.

    BTW, French motorists are also required to have alcohol breath testers in their auto; yet another stealth tax.

  24. Unz is great, where else can one find communists whining that France isn’t communist enough? And the imbecility on display is stunning as shown by the innumeracy it took to write the following:

    Saturday, November 17, demonstrators were peaceful, but resented the heavy tear-gas attacks. Saturday November 25, things got a big rougher

    The French are a silly and pathetic little people. No protests for watching their nation subsumed in the Camp of the Saints, but only for a nonconsequencial gas tax increase. “We care nothing of our progeny! Just don’t make us pay today for what we might foist off on those yet unborn.” I hope it all burns to the ground. It couldn’t happen to anyone more deserving..

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Traddles
    , @S
  25. @jilles dykstra

    “In any French supermarket publicité, as the word is in French for commercial publicity, one finds words as, translated ‘beating the cost of living’, ‘retaining buying power’.”

    French Super- & Hypermarches used to be roughly 30% cheaper across the board than their German counterparts. Their prices very quickly converged up with adoption of the Euro, and, contrary to ECB “research,” prices in both countries were opportunistically raised by merchants to further capitalise on the move from local currencies to the Euro. The added costs flowing through from the Eco-taxes are just insult to injury caused by the European experiment with a Super State.

  26. @El Dato

    “I would rather have a private health service that works, Madame Socialiste.”
    Didn’t read, didn’t believe or didn’t care about the article, eh ?
    Public health works, if it’s funded, madam canine.

    • Replies: @Ace
  27. @jim jones

    I wonder how much all those Muslims and Africans living in Social Housing cost the French.

    Obviously you are not French. They have no such curiosity and indeed have criminalized the very question. In a nation of parasites, the Arab and African are most welcome.

  28. The author isn’t really saying anything. She is just grumbling vaguely and trying, half-heartedly, to blame it all on the EU, her standard line.

  29. Herald says:
    @Bombercommand

    Your observations of a likely false flag incident are highly interesting but should not have been offered as reason to criticise the article. You simply miss the articles’s major aim, wilfully or otherwise, which was obviously to take a close look at the causes of the protests. Ms Johnstone was clearly not attempting to give a full running commentary of particular events on the protest days.

  30. SacreBleu says:
    @jilles dykstra

    “Taboo subjects hardly seem to exist”

    In 2016 a woman was arrested in France for wearing a ‘Boycott Israel’ t-shirt, a violation of their ‘discrimination through writing’ laws.

    It always amazed me how the French gave up whatever free speech rights they may have had, but then again, it’s the same everywhere. Zionist lobbies in the US have introduced a bill aiming to dole out a 20-year prison term and a $250,000 fine for anyone who boycotts Israel. I suspect we’re only a couple years away from having to sign a loyalty oath to Israel before we’re allowed to vote.

    The Yellow Vests are a definite sign of hope, especially if they have a domino effect in Europe. Of course, American media carefully excludes their protests from the news. Wouldn’t want the same thing happening in the US, now would we?

  31. KGH says:
    @Miro23

    Ok. You want more state sick care because you think it’s good for you. But let people choose themselves what they want to care for them. Why does Rockefeller want to socialize all knowledge and sick care to large institutions? Do you think? Profit from human life and nothing else.

    • Replies: @Diana Johnstone
  32. News Flash: The vest are Reflective High Visibility Chartreuse – not yellow

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartreuse_(color)

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  33. Mark G. says:
    @Franz

    I’ll start supporting the socialists when they can point out the real world country where it actually works. And, no, don’t point to Sweden. They became wealthy before they became socialist.

    • Replies: @Franz
  34. neutral says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Taboo subjects hardly seem to exist

    You sure about that, say anything bad about the jews and it will not take long before the French Soros Bernard Levy and his minions destroy your life.

  35. pyrrhus says:
    @JRB

    But her interest in Tidal lagoon power is completely misplaced…Tidal power produces little electric power at a large cost, like most alternative energy.

  36. pyrrhus says:
    @Eric McDoo

    Yes. As in the US, there is only one party in France, apart from Le Pen.

  37. @utu

    “Free market is a fetish of simple minds that can’t handle complexity”

    This also describes socialism. The best choice is a mix of the two, allowing both to reign in the potential excesses of the other.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  38. oughtsix says:
    @El Dato

    All of which is a perfect description of what happened in the US at that time, and by the same cohort.
    These same “intellectuals” took over the academy and have been “deconstructing” the culture and the nation ever since.

    The only difference was that our ‘children’ had the Vietnam war and the assassinations as drivers providing the aura of legitimacy.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @S
  39. Macron the Rothschild banker puppet whore won the presidency with the votes of the Muslims and other Third Worlders, the geezer French concerned about Marine Le Pen talking about the ECB and the euro, sleazebag globalizer French who want to destroy the sovereignty of France and the upper middle class globalizer rats who infest European Christian nations.

    The TRUE FRENCH voted for patriotic Frenchwoman Marine Le Pen. 35 percent of the vote and the fighting support of the TRUE FRENCH will be enough to dislodge the evil French globalizer ruling class from power.

    It will be a race to determine who dislodges their evil globalizer ruling classes the soonest between the French and the Italians. Don’t count out the English or the Germans either!

    Globalizers Must Be Sent To Hell!

  40. https://www.bfmtv.com/economie/voila-les-trois-grandes-annonces-pour-le-pouvoir-d-achat-annoncees-par-edouard-philippe-1581227.html

    Les trois mesures fiscales qui devaient entrer en vigueur le 1er janvier prochain – la hausse de la taxe carbone sur l’essence, le fioul et le diesel, la convergence de la fiscalité du diesel avec celle de l’essence et la hausse du gazole pour les professionnels – vont être suspendues pour six mois.

    Increase in France in taxes and prices for gas for cars, diesel, heating oil for households, and heating oil for professionals (exact meaning I do not know, but suppose for cargo ship etc), postponed from Januari 1st 2019 to July 1st 2019.
    French elections in the first half of 2019 ?

    Dutch dictator Rutte, after seven years of negotiations with labour unions, failed to get his pension system ‘reforms’, making pensions worse, accepted, while Brussels rules for this ‘reform’ were supposed to be introduced on Januari 1 2019.

    Present signs are that the also Belgium goverment will not sign Marrakech, alas not yet sure.
    Belgium then being the tenth or so white country refusing suicide.
    But in politics anything has to do with anything, now that Macron has been forced to back down Belgium maybe is less afraid to antogonize Jupiter in the south.

    Merkel is quickly losing support in Germany, former EP chairman Schulz, who expected to be the next German chancellor, has almost completely disappeared from German poltitics.
    With him his socialist party, as the Dutch and French socialist parties.

    Dutch yellow coat protests have begun, in Belgium they began already.

    Brexit, in some form, seems to succeed.

    So I’m beginning to hope to be able to see the end of the illusion EU, an illusion, nightmare, based on anti German propaganda since the end of the 19th century, when the British military empire had made it possible for this empire to rest economically on its laurels for decades.

    Historians state that few see historic changes when they’re happening, I flatter myself with the possibility that right now I’m one of the few.
    The end of the UN still is a bridge too far now, I think.
    Not that I would like the UN to disappear, but what we see right now looks like a new world order, the poor countries against the prosperous.

  41. Che Guava says:

    Diana,

    That is a very good article, however, much as I dislike the ‘gen. of ’68′ in general, some of them, mainly those close to or in the Situationist group or faction did some good writing and actions, even later.

    One of the leaders of the Farmer’s Union which organised the attacks on Macdonalds, etc., some years ago was a former member of the SI. Arseholes like Daniel Cohen-Bendit and Baudrillard were mocked. So there may be some connection of le gilets jaunes with that thread.

    I was astonished to see a very interesting article by Garry Leupp, of all people, on Counterputsch. It was about the would-be weirdo protestant missionary, Chua, who was attempting to visit the North Sentinel island, and was killed by the natives. I wonder what happened to South Sentinel island?

    The incident reminds me a little of ‘John Savage’ in Brave New World.

    In any case, Leupp’s article was full of lies about Islam. The only places where Islamic dominance *may* have and is said to have come about through trade were in Southeast Asia (as Leupp claims). Personally, I do not believe it, even there. Violent Islamic pirates, forced conversion. Sure, in what is now Bangladesh, some Tamil parts of the south, Islamic invaders used resentment from the underclass to invade.

    Those were the only exceptions, and in the north, is a remnant of an in invasion of the entire place that failed only because the British got in the way.

    So Leupp remains a liar, clearly has a little knowledge, but chooses to lie.

  42. @Trond Andresen

    ” The main problem in France and othe eurozone countries (Italy a current example) is that they don’t issue their own currency ”
    Some seventy Dutch economists, out of their own pockets paid for a one whole page advertisement in 1997, in Dutch leading newpapers, explaining that exchange rates have functions, functions one cannot abolish without paying a stiff price.
    All of them regret the advertisement, it severely damaged their careers, and accomplished nothing.

    Teulings, director of CPB, Dutch Central (economic) Plan office, got so fed up with what he was ordered to write that he was forced to resign.
    As a farewell present in the farewell press conference he revealed, what insiders have known for years, that the CPB report on the economic advantages of the euro was based on just wishful thinking.

    He has been replaced by someone not too bright, in my opinion,but who understands what is expected of this independent objective scientific institute.

  43. TG says:

    There is an old maxim, that the maximum amount of poverty that a people will accept before openly revolting, is exactly what they will end up with.

    And: a foolish politeness is the doom of sheep and other domestic animals.

    Perhaps – just perhaps – there is some hope for France after all.

  44. • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  45. Control F reveals the word “immigration” isn’t used once in the entire 3300 word article. Not once.

    Ms Johnstone is is breathing through a respirator hooked up to an automobile’s exhaust pipe, and hysterically oblivious to why she’s suffocating to death.

    • Agree: Buck Ransom
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Hail
  46. the answer is hang the politicians and get rid of the non-white trash

  47. anastasia says:

    I will never believe that the French people voted for this nitwit. There is no way that happened.

  48. Re utu [3], the free market is a recycled version of an old trick used to keep ignorant peasants in their place. In the old days there was an accidental hodgepodge of institutional arrangements set up by the most rapacious assholes in the land in order to screw you. So the church called it God’s will to make uneducated peasants put up with it.

    Nowadays we have an accidental hodgepodge of institutional arrangements set up by the most rapacious assholes in the land in order to screw you. So your rulers call it the free market to make indoctrinated proles put up with it. And El Dato [1] falls for it again.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  49. Z-man says:
    @tac

    Great clips, the Revolution is coming. Macron, his mommy wife and the Rothchild’s better beware. If only it could happen here.

    • Replies: @Hebraic Hypocrite
    , @tac
  50. @jim jones

    People realize they are being bled white to finance the Third World invasion bent on replacing them.
    Comments seen this morning on French social media by Gilet Jaunes supporters are calling this uprising l’Intifada Francaise.

  51. Good article.

    As an American I didn’t believe that these protests were simply about a gas tax. There had to be more. However, I could not figure it out from the American media. The American media is downplaying this. When it is reported at all, the explanations don’t make sense.

    This article explains it much better.

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
  52. anon[342] • Disclaimer says:

    Germany doesn’t want to share economic power with states it considers irresponsible spendthrifts. So Macron’s mission is to show Germany that France, despite its flagging economy, is “responsible”, by squeezing the population in order to pay interest on the debt. Macron’s idea is that the politicians in Berlin and the bankers in Frankfurt will be so impressed that they will turn around and say, well done Emmanuel, we are ready to throw our wealth into a common pot for the benefit of all 27 Member States. And that is why Macron will stop at nothing to balance the budget, to make the Germans love him.

    So if France got its wish re: Germany, what would the resulting outcome look like? The EU issuing bonds rather than the individual countries?

  53. @Z-man

    Great clips, the Revolution is coming

    God i hope so

    making a list and checking it twice of all the globalists who shot their mouths off

  54. anastasia says:

    What we now see in France indeed has little to do with ideology, much with making ends meet.

    That is the most dangerous kind of protest there can be……and nothing will end it until the government relents completely.

  55. Rather, the benefits are earmarked to balance the budget, that is, to serve the government debt.

    I wonder who the Frenchies are paying the interest to… not really…

  56. The degradation of care in the public hospitals is another complaint.

    Socialized medicine always ‘saves’ money by restricting supply… always…

    • Replies: @Amon
  57. As of this morning, Macron has caved somewhat and said he will hold off on the increase in gas taxes for six months.

    Hopefully this doesn’t stop the protests. They should be burning down French cities until Macron is gone.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Skeptikal
  58. gepay says:
    @jilles dykstra

    yes, jules dykstra, but if you question whether there were gas chambers in the Nazi concentration camps or the 6 million number of jews died (which somehow stays the same even though there were originally 4 million at Auschwitz but now is officially less than a milllion) in the nowhere to be found extermination orders – then – you will go to jail and be fined. Why is that?

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  59. liljoe says:

    Macron, ne’st-ce pas?

  60. @KGH

    KGH . wrote: “But let people choose themselves what they want to care for them.”

    What on earth does that have to do with French single payer health insurance? Absolutely nothing.
    Where do people get such weird notions? French get to choose their doctors, who sometimes even still make house calls, and 85% of the cost or 100% in case of grave illness. The cost of care and of medicines is incomparably lower. And life expectancy is higher in France than in the United States. There is no restriction on personal freedom in the French social security system, but it gives people the added freedom of not having to worry that they could be financially ruined by a serious illness.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  61. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan d Mute

    And just how effective have native Americans been in stopping the tide of legal and illegal immigrants???

    At least French engineering and other tech grads can still get jobs in France.

    And French government employees speak understandable French instead of unintelligible accents from every turd world country in the world as so many very recent arrival immigrant American government employees do.

    Some local agencies and even the Post Office in some areas must have an affirmative action program for non English speakers.

    There are plenty of Arabs working for French government agencies. But they were born in France and speak the language. Contrast that with the recent Asians in our post offices and other agencies who work with the public and don’t speak English.

    We’ve got our own Camp of the Saints.

  62. Traddles says:
    @Stan d Mute

    And what, pray tell, have people in other countries actually done, more than the French Yellow Vests, to stop their replacement by the globalists? Americans haven’t done anything about it other than very narrowly voting for Trump. Britons haven’t done more than voting for a Brexit which might not happen. Italians voted in an effective government, but who in the West has done more than voting?

    The Yellow Vests are showing the way at the moment. Even if they don’t win any serious concessions from the government, they’re gaining useful experience for the coming fights against the globalists and the migrants. And they’re an example for us.

    • Replies: @Amon
  63. French proles are more concerned about the end of the month than the end of the world.

    The rich hate and fear populism because it’s another word for class warfare.

    It warms my heart to see tens of thousands of white people rioting in the street.

    • Agree: densa
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Biff
  64. S says:
    @Stan d Mute

    The pictures are indeed quite impressive.

    And like no doubt many others I’m quite sympathetic to the immediate plight of the French regarding the increased fuel tax.

    But what of the bigger picture and the far greater crimes..ie how the French, as part of a manufactured and contrived dialectic between Capitalism and Communism since 1776 and 1789, are seeing themselves systematically replaced, and their people physically, culturally, and economically destroyed?

    All so that a global empire can be constructed by some very powerful people and hangers on who by all appearances wish to install slavery on a global scale..ie wage slavery, which is quite literally and simply chattel slavery and its trade monetized via the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system, the economic and political basis of the multi-cultural society.

    Why are the French not protesting and rebelling against those things?

    As is so often the case, Orwell provides illumination on much of the mechanics driving modern society.

    In the excerpt below, it appeared as though the ‘Revolution’ might of started, only to be found out that it was a mob of hundreds of women arguing over the few remaining tin saucepans that were left at a shopping stall.

    ‘If there was hope, it must lie in the proles..Why was it that they could never shout like that about anything that mattered?’

    Part 1, Chapter 7 – 1984

    If there is hope, wrote Winston, it lies in the proles.

    If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated…But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet-!

    ..His heart had leapt. It’s started! he had thought. A riot! The proles are breaking loose at last! When he had reached the spot it was to see a mob of two or three hundred women crowding round the stalls of a street market, with faces as tragic as though they had been the doomed passengers on a sinking ship. But at this moment the general despair broke down into a multitude of individual quarrels. It appeared that one of the stalls had been selling tin saucepans..

    ..Why was it that they could never shout like that about anything that mattered?

    And..

    ‘To keep them in control was not difficult..because being without general ideas, they could only focus it on petty specific grievances. The larger evils invariably escaped their notice.’

    Part 1, Chapter 7 – 1984

    Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films, football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult. A few agents of the Thought Police moved always among them, spreading false rumours and marking down and eliminating the few individuals who were judged capable of becoming dangerous..And even when they became discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere, because being without general ideas, they could only focus it on petty specific grievances. The larger evils invariably escaped their notice.

    http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/6.html

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Cagey Beast
  65. @Johnny Smoggins

    Agreed and thank you Mr. Smoggins. Real economies are mixed economies. Public financing for public needs and private financing for private needs. How you do the mixing can lean left or right. The free market utopia and the workers paradise are castles in the air.

    • Replies: @Ace
  66. READ BETWEEN THE LINES!

    Is this Partial Official Disclosure regarding the Crimea Bridge bomb, now placed ON THE OFFICIAL RECORD?

    Extract:

    Question:
    Have you managed to bring across to our European partners the truth on what really happened in the Black Sea, and not in the Sea of Azov, as they usually write? Have they finally heard our position?

    [MORE]

    Sergey Lavrov:
    I think they could not but hear it because President Vladimir Putin, while meeting with President of France Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, personally explained “in lay terms” how all this happened, how the provocation had been planned and how its execution was attempted, as well as how responsibly the Russian border guards performed their functions trying to prevent any undesirable incidents. Regrettably, the [Ukrainian] agents and provocateurs, and the provocation carried out by two craft and a tug, was controlled by two Ukrainian Security Service officers who did their best to fulfil the order………
    ………..President Putin personally told his interlocutors about this. I did not hear from them a response that would be based on different facts.

    Question:
    Presidents Putin and Trump have held a short meeting after all. As for US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, was he evading you, or did he have to meet with you?

    Sergey Lavrov:
    Of course, I did not pursue him, and he did not try to meet with me. To be quite frank, I do not even know if he is here, because I have not seen the full US delegation. US National Security Adviser John Bolton said in a conversation with Presidential Aide Yury Ushakov, who deals with political matters, that they [the US administration] would like to resume and normalise our dialogue. We are ready to do this as soon as our colleagues are.

    Question:
    Do you think there is a connection between the provocation in the Kerch Strait and the US cancellation of the planned meeting between our presidents?

    Sergey Lavrov:
    I don’t believe in the conspiracy theories. However, there have been too many coincidences, when a provocation that takes place ahead of a major event is used for fanning hysteria over sanctions. British Prime Minister Theresa May has demanded that Brussels further worsen its Russia policy, even though Britain has almost exited the EU.
    We know our partners very well, and we have masses of questions about the adequacy of their approach to serious problems. There are very serious and very real threats. The fight against these challenges cannot be improved by making sacrifices to immediate geopolitical considerations.

    Question:
    When will President Putin and President Trump hold a full-scale meeting after all?

    Sergey Lavrov:
    I won’t even try to guess.

    FIN
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation

  67. utu says:
    @mobilecrunch premium

    No socialized medicine because of quantum mechanics? No group negotiating with the big Pharma in the US (there is a law that forbids negotiating drug prices) because of what – Heisenberg uncertainty principle? You are a hopeless ideologue who has no clue about reality and does no care about it. Continue your very fruitful talmudic studies of von Misess, Murray Rothbard and Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum – Ayn Rand.

    • Replies: @Wally
  68. utu says:
    @oughtsix

    The only difference was that our ‘children’ had the Vietnam war and the assassinations as drivers providing the aura of legitimacy.

    Great insight.

  69. Agent76 says:

    Dec 4, 2018 France Suspends Fuel Tax Hike After Wave Of Recent Protests

    French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe has announced a six-month suspension of the fuel tax hike which triggered massive unrest across the country, saying the measure is aimed at stopping the violence and restoring public order.

    • Replies: @utu
  70. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    The problem is universal, the higher, more costly less accessible education is to the masses, the greater the dependence of the masses on the government, the lower and more universal the education is to the masses the less relevant the government is to the masses. Dependency of the masses is an essential requirement for the oligarch control over a nation. Without government very little wealth will end up in the hands of the Oligarch and the economic and personal security of the Oligarch will drop to less differentiated levels. Dependency and governments are the inverse of independence and democracy.

    Some call it class war but I see it as the argument that justice demands democracy for all and education is the basis on which democratic nations are built. Democratic nations do not need or want nation state governance to control their lives. In fact it is possible that one nation might want several systems of governance. On one hand the wealthy keep their aristocratic status at the expense of the well being of the masses, on the other, the wealthy merge themselves into the toil of the masses if government is not there to prevent it.
    France is just the tip of the iceberg.. this tug of war between nation state governance and democratic self governance is surfacing.

  71. @gepay

    You are quite right, taboo subjects do exist in France: jews, Armenians
    But less than in other countries, even a debate among invited persons, or who bought entrance tickets, no cameras, voice recording these days practically impossible to prevent, about theoretical deportation in the Netherlands, great upheaval afterwards

  72. utu says:
    @Bombercommand

    Agent provocateurs and false flags have been used from the beginning of time to tarnish grass root organic revolts or to steer them in another directions. Any movement can be hijacked and also any movement needs a fuel to continue which comes down to financial support. This the moment when compromises are made because whoever pays for it will want to have influence on the course of the movement.

    That the incident you saw in Toronto left on you such a strong impression that young longer believe or trust anything illustrates the well know phenomenon that the worst cynics are disappointed idealists. Get hold of yourself and try to parse reality in its full complexity. The escape into cynicism is cowardly way out just like your former idealism was.

  73. I wrote this a couple of days before Rothschild banker whore Macron beat out Frenchwoman patriot Marine Le Pen for the presidency of France in May of 2017:

    Upper middle class French rats are voting for Rothschild Banker Boy Macron. Muslims and other non-European invaders are voting for Banker Boy Macron. Government bureaucrats and other unpatriotic French government workers are voting for Macron. Macron will be the Lincoln of France. Macron will precipitate a civil war in France.

    Proud patriotic Frenchmen and Frenchwomen will vote for Marine Le Pen. The police and the military and other patriotic government workers will vote for Marine Le Pen. Marine Le Pen is the Joan of Arc of present day France. Marine Le Pen is not afraid of the globalizers nor the bankers. Marine Le Pen was born to save the great nation of France.

  74. I wrote this on May 2 of 2017:

    ROTHSCHILD’S NEW WHORE: DANSEUR MONDAIN BANKER BOY MACRON

    Rothschild whore Macron might be the Lincoln of France. Macron is uniting the upper middle class French scum who benefit from globalization and financialization with the non-European immigrants who have flooded into France over the past sixty years. This will lead to civil war and political power struggles in France.

    Marine Le Pen has done well to make sure that the patriotic French people know what side Banker Boy Macron has taken in the Globalization vs Patriotism battle. Macron sides with the dark forces of transnational finance against the sovereignty and liberty of France. Macron sides with the huge hordes of invasionary interlopers who are pouring into France.

    Macron takes the side of radicalized Muslims against the traditional and historical identity of proud France. Macron will sell out the French people to evil plutocrats who will further pauperize the French people.

    HIGH SOCIETY DANCER MACRON IS A ROTHSCHILD WHORE

    • Replies: @renfro
  75. @Hans Vogel

    For the most part I agree.
    But
    ” What did the Socialists turned far right Neo Liberals do? ”
    My idea is that the socialists by extending their ideals to the whole world did not realise they became neoliberal.
    Globalisation is the end of the nation states, thus of political power.
    Combined with free capital movement, 1997 if my remembrance is correct, and the introduction of the euro, just one power was left: big money, alas called capitalism.
    Big money behaves capitalistic, but capitalism is no more than daily decision making, such as choosing between investment and consumption.
    My standard example is always the one man economy capitalism of Robinson Crusoê.
    The old socialists manouvred themselves into an impossible position when they thought they could bring prosperity to the world.
    Who reads about those who ran the Comintern is amazed at the education these people had, none, just ideals.
    Who ran the now disappeared Dutch socialist party: a failed fysicist and a lawyer too stupid for bookkeeping.
    Who ran the Dutch SP, the prototype of the head primary school master in the Netherlands.
    Who runs our Greens, someone with little more than primary school.
    And so on, and so forth.

    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
  76. @Carroll Price

    Thank you. For two days I did worry that I did become colorblind.

  77. @jilles dykstra

    I agree with your observation on the free rein given to capitalism (incidentally also after the fall of the Berlin Wall) and the implication it meant for the survival of the Nation State, with one exception. There is one nation state that is never criticized or questioned by the MSM, talking heads and think tank pundits: Israel. Well, there is also Japan that is a powerful nation state, though effectively vassalized. The other major players on the world stage (the US, Russia, China, India, the EU for what it’s worth, Brazil, etc., etc.) are all multicultural, multiethnic and multinational. So I guess the nation state has no future, and this does not bode well for Israel.

    Your observation on the educational and intellectual level of Socialists is quite apt. Essentially they are a treacherous lot. Stalin used to call them “Social Fascists” and that is what most of them were, are and will be. However, after the Great War broke out in 1914 after Jean Jaurès had been liquidated (since it was feared he would make good on his threat to call for a general strike all over Europe), do you think Socialists still believed they could bring peace to the world?

  78. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    I saw that. The French resisted. Unlike Americans who do nothing and pay $3 taxes added to $1 worth of gasoline. Some cities & counties slap an $8 tax on a $30 water bill.

    Last American tax revolt I remember was Californians ending massive propert tax rises about 50 years ago

    • Replies: @Avery
  79. tac says:
    @Z-man

    Here are some symbolic clips from France:

    French spraying fecal matter on gov’t building:

    Protesters march:

    French Police club down protesters:

    Even the MSM is starting seen the potential in this movement gaining steam:

    The ‘yellow vests’ are a compelling and dangerous movement – and they are spreading across Europe

    Now they have already forced what was once considered a young, dynamic French administration to run up the white flag. Not only that, but they have also given succour to similar movements across Europe, especially those rallying around issues, rather than political parties.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/france-fuel-tax-rise-suspended-macron-paris-riots-protests-gilets-jaunes-yellow-vests-europe-a8666796.html

    Macron with egg on his face:

    • Replies: @tac
  80. Franz says:
    @Mark G.

    Who’s the socialist? I was a libertarian (party card and all!) not a socialist.

    When capitalism blurred the line between small town Free Enterprise and Global Finance, they screwed the pooch. They also tore the ground out from under libertarians and conservatives when they discovered the “right” to unrestricted migration at the expense of real, honest freedom.

    The left and the right are dirty, the sane among us are building a new home. No choice.

  81. Avery says:
    @Anon

    {I saw that. The French resisted. Unlike Americans who do nothing and pay $3 taxes added to $1 worth of gasoline.}

    Americans do nothing, because gasoline here is relatively cheap.
    And that “$1 worth of gasoline” is not a correct figure.

    Crude oil costs $50/42 gallons = $1.20 a gallon. Worldwide market price.
    Then you have to transport the crude to the refinery, refine it, then transport it to the gas station….. So everybody on the way has to mark it up to pay their own costs, and also make a little profit.

    People in US clearly are not hurting as far as gasoline taxes go, otherwise they’d complain and do something or other.

    Here in California just last year the overwhelmingly Democratically controlled legislature passed a law to add an additional tax of about 12 cents per gallon*. There was widespread discontent, and a Proposition, Prop 6, was placed on the ballot by the people to repeal the tax. Guess what: the bamboozled voters of California voted to keep the tax. They defeated Prop 6 by a huge margin: 57% to 43%.

    And this is not the kind of tax that politicians usually sell to the proles by lying that it’s “a tax on the very rich”. Everybody pays for this. When you buy a piece of food, you pay the additional tax, because gasoline/diesel is used to bring that food to your mouth.

    _________________
    * taxes now are 18 cents fed and 58 cents CA per gallon.
    average price per gallon for regular is $3.50 in the Los Angeles area.

    • Replies: @utu
  82. utu says:
    @Agent76

    Dec 4, 2018 France Suspends Fuel Tax Hike

    This is an important moment for the “movement”. Do they stop and diffuse or can they continue? I am afraid that police think tanks know more about the dynamics and control of movements than the participants of the movement and what stages they may go through and the necessary condition to transform to higher political level.

    • Agree: Agent76
  83. paul2 says:

    As half French living elsewhere I have no sympathy for the French.

    They voted willingly for a self confessed Rothschild banker, globalist for fuck sake, I mean it wasn’t even hidden it had bells and flashing lights on it.

    A supposidly good looking intelligent man who rejected beautiful women in favour of a weird sexual interest in his much older teacher, who was groomed from an early age to be what he is now pushing the globalist EU agenda on steroids.

    Now France are fucked and I couldn’t care less.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  84. @WorkingClass

    If only they were rioting rather than just demonstrating.

    As others have noticed, the very limited “rioting” is conducted by the usual police provocateurs.

    (as Bush the lesser might say “the french don’t even have a word for it”)

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/307907-the-thing-that-s-wrong-with-the-french-is-that-they

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  85. tac says:
    @tac

    [Your comments have far too many Tweets, which occupy too much space and sometimes don't render properly. This is not a Tweet-forum.]

    Excessive Police beat downs of yellow vests:

    • Replies: @tac
    , @tac
  86. @El Dato

    You must be a simpleton given that France has had a history of some of the finest low-cost and tuition free education in Europe. In addition, the French model of socialist-style health acre has done very well with the population like many similar programs throughout modern Europe. At least until the neocon crazies got their grubby, little hands on them…

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  87. @paul2

    i’m proud of the French

    white people standing up for themselves for a change

  88. @Jacqueries

    All hail the Calvinist Market-God! Whatever happens is the will of the Market-God … until it happens to me. Then it’s that socialist Devil again!

  89. @mobilecrunch premium

    How about death camps for politicians and journalists?

    • Replies: @Anon
  90. TheBear says:
    @El Dato

    I would rather have a private health service that works, Madame Socialiste.

    Some Americans seemingly spend their lives in a bubble. It is quite amusing. And sad.

    Meanwhile, in The Great Socialist Paradise you use to think of as France while shaking your head, there is actually a private health service that works for everyone who can afford it. And for those who can’t, there is a public health system.

    There are also private universities in France. This must be coming as a shock to you, I imagine

    A “Mutuelle” is nothing sinister, it is a recognition that The State doesn’t care about you and you better had a second choice, even if you can’t escape being forcibly made to pay for actually unavailable goods via taxation.

    Now, talking about being forcibly made to pay for unavailable goods via taxation, how are those 800 billion plus USD that the USG is spending *yearly* on military goods and services working for ya? are any of those goodies available yet to you?

    If you were’nt so lazy and complacent (and devout libertarian), you could have actually checked that well known fact on how the US public expenditure on healthcare is around 8.5% of its GDP, while France’s is actually around 8.7%, although – amusingly – in the US around 28 million Americans are not covered, while in France *everyone* is covered. That is why it is called *universal*. Now let that sink in for a minute.

    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-u-s-similar-public-spending-private-sector-spending-triple-comparable-countries

    Now, when are you going to stop being such a tool for the elites?

  91. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    The french State spends 57% of the french GDP , too much .

    Too many subsidies to africans

    Too much social spending

    Too much EU

    Too many bureaucrats and politicians

    Too little common sense

    Too much shit

    C`est fini , the end , se acabò .

  92. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/podesta-says-dont-believe-they-can-stop-us/#8230

    I strongly recommend anyone what is written in the above link: Mutti Merkel stating that nation states must give give up sovereingnty, for migration and for climate, at the same time parliaments are important.

    Now who will get this sovereignty is not stated clearly, the EU is mentioned.
    Now how parliaments stay important while they have reduced their sovereingnty, can anyone explain this to me ?
    And what is this EU that gets all this sovereignty ?
    Just a bunch of bureaucrats, not controlled by anyone any more ?
    Or are we just going to elect a European parliament, that then somehow forms a European government ?

    But if we have a European government, and a European parliament, then what are we doing with national parliaments ?

    Then there is Merkel’s denial of culture: the people are those who have lived in a country for some time, not those who claim to be the people (Volk).
    Here we get into translation problems, Volk literally is people, but with a cultural essence.

    German language since long knows the word Volksdeutsche, a German living outside Germany, yet considering himself to he German.
    Many Volksdeutsche for example lived in the USSR, Hitler was a Volksdeutsche.

    Volksdeutsche of course cannot be those with a migration background, this is why Mutti asserts ‘der Islam gehört zu Deutschland’, in other words, there are just Germans, this is anyone living in Germany.

    And so w’re back at the Mélenchon Eric Zemour discussion: who is French ?
    Is anyone French who has the French nationality, or is one French when one feels to belong to the French culture ?

    The point of all this is beyond me.
    Merkel seems to be trying to change the world thoroughly, but what her end goal is, eludes me.
    Some mixture of ’1984′ and ‘Brave New World’, I fear

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Anon
  93. peterAUS says:
    @S

    A very good comment.
    Applies, as we speak, not only to French, of course.

    That in the comment is reality. The problem, if you will.

    Any….hehe…hints at possible solutions, perhaps?

    • Replies: @S
  94. utu says:
    @Avery

    And this is not the kind of tax that politicians usually sell to the proles by lying that it’s “a tax on the very rich”.

    “usually”? in The US of A? When was the last time it happened? Americans internalized the gospel of free market and the condition that making the rich happy is in their interest better than anybody else. America is the happiest and safest country in the world for the rich.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Ace
  95. @utu

    “Free market is a fetish of simple minds that can’t handle complexity.”

    Only a complete nitwit would invoke the term ‘complexity’ in defense of socialism.

    Top down command and control models are exactly the sort of simple approach to planning that fails in complex systems like economies.

    Unlike you, I actually know something about complex systems science, having written peer reviewed papers in it. I doubt you know much about the subject.

    • Replies: @utu
  96. vinteuil says: • Website
    @Diana Johnstone

    The cost of care and of medicines is incomparably lower.

    This is largely because compensation for medical professionals in France is way, way lower than in the U.S. Good luck getting American doctors & nurses to accept French level wages.

    And life expectancy is higher in France than in the United States.

    Adjust for differences in behavior & for ethnic mix and this doesn’t mean much of anything.

    Incidentally, per capita, public spending on health care is quite a bit higher in the U.S. than in France. In that respect, our system is already more “socialist” than theirs.

    They just get more bang for their buck. Or their franc. Or their euro. Or whatever.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
  97. Skeptikal says:
    @El Dato

    El Dato:
    Do you live in France?
    Are you French?
    At leaset they have public universities!
    Friends who live in France say the healthcare system there is fantastic.
    You could also read about this from one of the New Yorker’s writers who lives in Paris.
    So, if it has gone downhill, that is something to mourn, and to fix.

  98. @Steve Naidamast

    “the French model of socialist-style health acre has done very well with the population like many similar programs throughout modern Europe”

    Too simplistic. You don’t know much about healthcare system in Europe. The German system, for instance, is not single payer. It is a two tier system with private hospitals and private insurers for those who can afford it. It works better than the French system.

    Simply go to one of the commonwealth reports on health care system efficiency.

    I grew up in a single payer system, and even worked on operations research contracts within the very highest levels of the administration. There are massive and pervasive problems in a lot of single payer health systems pertaining to wait times, quality of care and the like.

    I much prefer the US system (for now), provided that one can afford it. For someone with sufficient resources, the US system is better than the NHS, Canadian system, etc.

    France’s system is probably overburdened with immigrants and migrants soaking up most of the resources. (The 80/20 rule is unlikely to be broken).

  99. utu says:
    @jbwilson24

    What made you think I defend socialism? I was right that free mark is a fetish of simple minds like yours which is binary. It can hold only two categories it its active memory at one time.

  100. Skeptikal says:
    @jim jones

    Probably a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of fixing up a palace on the coast for Macron and the First Mom.

  101. Agent76 says:

    Nov 30, 2018 French Police Remove helmets and stand with the yellow vest demonstrators

    French Riot Police remove helmets and stand with the crowd…. meanwhile in Belgium, Yellow vest protestors gather in the street…. its starting to happen

    • Replies: @neprof
  102. Skeptikal says:
    @Trond Andresen

    This is an interesting proposal, and thanks for taking the time to describe the program.
    Actually, it sounds like an electronic scrip.

  103. @S

    Why are the French not protesting and rebelling against those things?

    Why do you assume they’re not?

    • Replies: @S
  104. niceland says:

    I used to look favorably to the EU. More and more it looks like socialism for the financial elite. If you want access to EU internal markets you have to open your borders, open your: infrastructure, natural resources, energy grid etc. to neo-liberal market forces. You are deprived of control over money supply, interest and exchange rates and so forth and finally government expenditure is limited by rules. All to the powers that be – supposedly democratically elected but accountable to no-one but influenced by NGO’s and think tanks and bribes by the usual suspects.

    Thanks for the article Diana it’s informative. Unfortunately references in this comment thread to Orwell and perhaps Huxley are close to the mark.

  105. @mobilecrunch premium

    Well said. The idea that corrupt bureaucrats will save us is lunacy.

  106. S says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Didn’t assume anything.

    The ‘Yellow Vest’ movement got it’s start as a protest against increased fuel taxes and now has morphed into protesting some other things besides.

    However, even should those protests succeed, if they don’t first articulate about the subject, and then put a stop to and reverse the mass immigration, besides breaking out of this contrived ‘left’/’right’ mold of the past two hundred plus years, it won’t ultimately have done them much good.

    It’s great the talk about the banks, and not seeing the Hammer and Sickle all over the place is a positive too. To the extent these protests are indeed organic and spontaneous I wish the French people the best.

  107. utu says:
    @Trond Andresen

    Interesting. I like the titles of publications on your website. I was always interested in mathematical side of money creation. I noticed you discuss Fisher proposal from 1930s.

  108. neprof says:
    @Agent76

    Great visual. Doubt it would happen in modern day USA. Both sides of the political spectrum in the US love their helmet-clad enforcers.

    Years ago, I use to think the French were silly socialist and America was “land of the free”. This video is affirmation of my change-of- mind the past ten years (no, I’m not a socialistic). The French still have sense on being “French”, good for them.

  109. Avery says:
    @utu

    { When was the last time it happened?}

    As one example, in 2012*: voters _love_ it when only the “rich” are taxed.
    There are lots of others like that example all over US.
    No need for me to list any more.
    __________
    * https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_30,_Sales_and_Income_Tax_Increase_(2012)

  110. Ragno says:

    Gee, I’d love to join in on the dogpiling on unrestrained free-market capitalism, which is no panacea – only my curiosity is piqued by this supposedly evenhanded in-depth reporting that manages to completely avoid mentioning the vast illegal immigration of Africans and Muslims who have already converted much of France’s cities into no-go hellholes that have already changed the face and nature of the nation – and presumably the cancer is spreading. Instead the writer wants to assure us that this is an uprising of set-upon, salt of the earth (read white if you like, but you never saw it here) native Frenchmen (that’s “native”, not “nationalist”) who have traded in their berets and breadloaves for yellow vests…..which presumably they wear in solidarity with their immigrant brothers.

    Maybe Ms Johnstone figures that these days, no one will touch a story, any story, taking place in the real world without clearly-delineated leftist heroes, and heroism, to root for. Or maybe this story’s on the level in every detail. Except, I think, for the ones left out of the telling.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Franz
  111. Any chance that “We the People” are capable of confronting our government’s insane economic policies that prop the 1%, banksters and Wall Street? Are we sufficiently informed — let alone committed, to even come close to the Yellow Vests? Wouldn’t it be nice if we had Blue Vests that oppose our successive regimes’ addiction to perpetual war?

  112. utu says:

    Dugin on Yellow Vests and populism

    https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/anatomy-populism-and-challenge-matrix

    Macron is a representative of the same type of “new elite”. It is curious that on the eve of the elections the French newspaper ‘Libération’ published the headline ‘Faites ce que vous voulez, mais votez Macron ‘ (“Do what you want, but vote for Macron”). This is an obvious paraphrase of Aleister Crowley, who proclaimed himself in the XXth century as the Antichrist and the Beast 666: ” Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law’. In other words, obedient crowds should vote for Macron not for some rational reasons, not because of his ideas and virtues, but simply because this is the imperative law of the ruling elite. And the disregard of the elites towards the obedient massacre masses is so open that they do not even bother to seduce them with impracticable promises: “Vote for Macron, because this is an order and this is not discussed.” Vote and then you are free. Deplorables. And that’s all.

  113. S says:
    @peterAUS

    Applies, as we speak, not only to French, of course.

    Quite true.

    Any….hehe…hints at possible solutions, perhaps?

    Well, as is understood, nothing’s perfect.

    And ‘it’s very late in the day’ as they say.

    Broadly speaking I’d aim for this present system’s global deconstruction.

    Europeans in Europe, should they desire it, would be allowed to retain their historic identities, physically and culturally.

    Same for non-European countries.

    Those countries wishing to form confederations or leagues with other countries. That’s their right.

    That’s up to them.

    Concentrating on the United States (where I happen to be at) I’d allow for self determination of the various peoples here.

    As the United States has quite a lot of territory, there ought to be enough space for globalist types too, ie those who don’t seem to care about peoplehood, or any particular land, or culture (they could call their territory ‘Pangea’ ;-) ).

    [I just wish the globalist types on their part would allow for the great many, perhaps most, who differ with them, to freely have their own space.]

    If that means the ultimate breakup of what had been known as the United States, so be it.

    It’s true such a hypothetical world with actual real sovereign countries might have occasional spats between some of its constituent parts.

    Might even have wars where many millions die.

    Perfect? No, far from it.

    As stated, nothing is.

    But, it would seem to be a whole lot less imperfect than the present world on the cusp of WWIII, where should they get their stated desire of a magical 500 million global population figure, seven billion plus ‘surplus’ people will have to die first.

    • Replies: @tac
    , @peterAUS
  114. utu says:

    Thierry Meyssan: How the West eats its children

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article204208.html

    For Thierry Meyssan, by taking to the streets, the French have become the first Western population to take personal risks to oppose financial globalisation. Although they do not realise it, and still imagine that their problems are exclusively national, their enemy is the same force that crushed the region of the African Great Lakes and a part of the Greater Middle East. In order to understand the project which inextricably unites these apparently disparate events, we have to take a step back.

    But if we analyse the situation as a single phenomenon affecting different cultures, we will discover the same mechanisms across the board. In these four countries, consecutive with the end of capitalism, the middle classes disappeared more or less rapidly, and with them the political system that they incarnated – Democracy.

    So either the Western leaders abandon the financial system they have developed and return to the productive capitalism of the Cold War, or they will have to invent a different organisation that no-one has so far been able imagine. Failing that, the West, which has directed the world for five centuries, will sink into a long period of internal chaos.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  115. utu says:

    The 1968 revolt lead to the overthrow of Charles de Gaulle. He resigned in 1969. Three years later a law was passed to reform the Bank of France.

    http://mpsa.e-monsite.com/en/quiz/the-law-of-january-3-1973-has-betrayed-france.html
    “The Treasury can not be presenting its own effects on the bank discount of France. ”

    This means that Article 25 of the Law 73-7 of 3 January 1973 prohibits the Bank of France to give credit to the state, condemning France to turn to private banks and to pay interest; whereas before this law, when the state borrowed money, he did it with the bank of France, which he owned, lent him uninteresting.

    In other words, before the French state had the right to coin money, and with this new law, he loses this right is at the same time left to private banks, who take the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of the State lending him with interest the money he needs.

    This decision represents a privatization of money and bring the nation on par with any of its citizens..

    • Replies: @tac
  116. Biff says:
    @WorkingClass

    It warms my heart to see tens of thousands of white people rioting in the street.

    Agree, and opposite of which is voting, but don’t expect too much from the dumbed down.

  117. S says:

    As an addendum regarding the idea of the globalist types being allowed their own particular territory, perhaps called Pangea, or maybe New Pangea, where their fellows from all over the world could come live, any donated territory for such a project would have at least some chance of being given up only temporarily.

    The reason being, so utterly consumed with hatred for others many of these types seem to be, it wouldn’t be impossible that it would rapidly depopulate to zero, the last two left found dead, each with one hand wrapped around the throat of the other, each with their other hand clutching a knife with which they had plunged it through the other’s heart.

    The last word of each being the same…’Racist!’TM

    Then again, should this manufactured dialectic of left and right that’s been in place the past two hundred plus years be broken, the extremes evident amongst elements of the ‘nationalist’ and ‘globalist’ types might largely dissipate.

  118. tac says:
    @S

    To you and PeterAUS:

    Do you Hasbara trolls enjoy your fake conversations, or do you think the the goyim are simply stupid enough to fall for you fake soliloquies?

  119. Biff says:
    @El Dato

    You sound like a rube for the globalists. They love accolades for the free market system, but in reality they hate it, and are deathly afraid of it. They kill it off with monopolies every chance they get. The only system they can mildly tolerate next to theirs is socialism – another form of a monopoly.
    If westerners ever came across a true free market system, they wouldn’t know how to act.

  120. S says:
    @oughtsix

    The only difference was that our ‘children’ had the Vietnam war and the assassinations as drivers providing the aura of legitimacy.

    Great point.

    In 1968, the Marxist cultural revolution wasn’t just taking place in Red China, it was also taking place throughout Western Europe and the United States as well.

  121. tac says:
    @utu

    What is remarkable about the letter is the striking sweep of history, especially regarding Jewish-Christian relations, demonstrated by Ben Gurion, as well as his knowledge — from an avowedly secular Jew — of Jewish source texts including the Torah and the Prophets. In addition, his language is bold and assertive, and he reveals secret meetings he held with the highest Arab authorities before the declaration of the Jewish state in an attempt to forestall conflict.
    [...]
    Ben Gurion then declares it to be his “moral duty” to explain the “true intentions and practical course” of the State of Israel. He writes of the Jews as the first people to recognize the existence of one God, i.e. monotheism. He also notes the Greek and Roman, and later Christian and Muslim, contempt for the Jewish people due to the Jews’ unwillingness to accept the supremacy of those civilizations.
    [...]
    The most surprising and revealing part of the letter pertains to secret negotiations that Ben Gurion undertook with Arab leaders. Late in 1933, after his election to the Zionist leadership, he met with Muslim and Christian Arab leaders in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria. The deal concluded was that the Jews would “help the Arab people to gain their independence and unite in a single Arab federation” if the Arabs would assist the Jews “in establishing a Jewish State in Palestine on both sides of the Jordan.”

    The major part of the negotiations was carried out with Musa Alami, a confidant of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. An agreement was reached. The Mufti insisted that Ben Gurion attend a meeting of the Syrian-Palestinian Arab Committee. If they agreed, there would be a meeting of the kings of Arab countries in order to sign an agreement with the Zionist leadership that would be presented to the British Mandate government.

    Tragically, it was not to be. Toward the end of 1944, the British Labour party did adopt a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state on both sides of the Jordan, which also stated that Arab countries would be granted independence. At the end of the war, however, Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin and Prime Minister Clement Attlee refused to carry out their party’s decision and handed the question of Palestine over to the United Nations, which led to the quagmire we have today.

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/06/20/charles-de-gaulle-and-david-ben-gurions-defense-of-israel/

    It was a shift that was to cost America over the rest of the millennium around $100 billion in aid to Israel and the abandonment by Washington of all semblance of American even-handedness. Henceforth, the United States became not only Israel’s patron but increasingly its protector, and ultimately what it has become today—the defense attorney for the Jewish state against the world community’s condemnations of Israel’s repeated violations of international law.
    [...]
    The breaking point for De Gaulle was Israel’s launching of the 1967 war against Egypt, Jordan and Syria. He had urgently implored Israel not to attack. But Israel ignored him and attacked on June 5. As late as May 24, President De Gaulle had prophetically warned Foreign Minister Abba Eban: “Don’t make war. You will be considered the aggressor by the world and by me. You will cause the Soviet Union to penetrate more deeply into the Middle East, and Israel will suffer the consequences. You will create a Palestinian nationalism, and you will never get rid of it.”6

    On the day of Israel’s attack, France announced a total arms embargo on the Middle East. By that time, however, Israel was receiving its major weapons from the United States and the embargo had little effect.7 De Gaulle also quietly ended France’s support of Israel’s nuclear program. He reveals in his memoirs that “…French cooperation in the construction of a factory near Beersheva [Dimona, Israel’s nuclear facility] for the transformation of uranium into plutonium—from which, one fine day, atomic bombs might emerge—was brought to an end.”8 Israel’s program, however, was so far advanced that it no longer needed France.

    https://www.wrmea.org/1999-october-november/de-gaulle-calls-jews-domineering-israel-an-expansionist-state.html

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Skeptikal
  122. tac says:
    @tac

    To the moderator:

    Far TOO MANY anything …. does this sound like dystopian censorship, albeit an excuse to use the SIZE of comments as some sort of justification for banning so-called ‘free speech’? Do you think we are all dumb and lazy …. like the French working class?

    Shame on any one of you who’ll use ANY EXCUSE to censor free expression of thought! Perhaps it may not be YOUR WAY of delivering the news, but, I dare posit the idea that many would disagree with your assessment ….

    Even though one tries to balance the outflow, there seem to be repressive ‘moderators’ (authors?) who are simply interested in disseminating their POV …. to the detriment of the proles.

    What say you now? Are you for free speech of not?

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Anon
    , @Wally
  123. tac says:
    @tac

    Video was taken down, but here it is again….watch before the authorities take it down again:

  124. Miro23 says:
    @utu

    Thanks for the good article by Thierry Meyssan, “How the West Eats its Children”

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article204208.html

    (After the fall of the Soviet Union 1989). From the article:

    By allowing capitalism to run wild, President Bush Sr. hoped to extend prosperity to the world. But capitalism is not a political project, it is simply a system of logic designed for creating profit. The logic of the US multinationals was to increase their profits by de-localizing production to China, where it is now possible, and where workers are the lowest paid in the world.

    They’re not the lowest paid now, but China is moving to take higher skilled jobs – same a Japan and Korea before it – and the globalists are providing them (thanks for example, to SJW activist and Apple chief executive, Tim Cook), and going elsewhere for the lowest wages (e.g. Vietnam and Bangladesh).

    You can’t blame the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans. If western globalists offer to sell out their people and industries for extra profits, why shouldn’t the Asians go along with it?

    Meyssan supports redirecting economic activity along the lines of national development rather than de-localized global profits.

    But precisely, foreign policy has been kept on the sidelines of the democratic field since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. It is both necessary and urgent to resign from almost all of the treaties and engagements of the last thirty years. Only the states which are able to re-affirm their sovereignty can hope to recover.

    He doesn’t say it, but the adjustment (if it comes) will be very rough, involving scarcities and higher prices with all the hassles and complications of retraining and on-shoring (re-localizing) key industries in the West. Almost impossible but there it is.

  125. This article was so informative for a non-French person, including the part questioning the electric car as an anti-nuclear social-engineering project that depends on maintaining the energy status-quo in France. Elites assume that ordinary people never question the feasibility of their schemes; we lack the reasoning skills, they think. Some of the Yellow Vests are going too far, though, like the art maimers. Wonder if they will leave the marred statue of Marianne un-repaired, like a scarred ruin from Antiquity?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  126. Whitewolf says:
    @Mike from Jersey

    You didn’t really expect to be enlightened by American media did you? Their job is to keep you ignorant and subservient to the oligarchs. The rest is just window dressing to try and hide that fact.

    • Replies: @Paul C.
  127. m___ says:

    “Gillets jaunes”.

    Interesting phenomenon, one of the few worth news. Local still (France, Belgium) but with a global mindset (elite corruption, elite betrayal of the deplorable, riddance of pretense of non-violence (Chomsky, Hedges, the altRight in the US, anesthetized chatter exempt of relative violence meets violence(of the elites)), action, action oriented dialog, central planning (unlike the fetish, sterile Occupy Wallstreet movement), and “intelligent, focused use of social media (for once).

    To be followed. unz.com, and “alternative” to be adjusted, no bartering, bargaining possible if not a position of power, the potential of disturbance, timely and a central control element, a global mindset, the element of recognizing the class divergence as an engineered elite desire, alignment of the deplorable across the ridiculous borders of traditional left-right, the incitement of biting the real dog that matters (elites again united in a global mindset), global fighting global for once as a strategy.

    We see the chaining of these kind of movements, as partly described above in a short burst, the acceleration of the total sum over time of similar movements, as meaningful voting. All in the service of sustainable ethics?

    News for once, not daily brew and stew of suffocating junk. To be followed. At the least an indicator that, although confused, the deplorable masses are groaning, AND directing their anger to where it matters. We are ruled by clowns, and the directors of the circus are “ethno-centric”, elite interest centric Scrooges incorporated. The artificial complexity of the system, convention needs to be broken down to clear the field of vision, and nothing much will be lost at that. As unz.com steers into, meaningless, one foot in and one foot out of convention is a dead venue. If there is no talk about how to break truth into the open, (being heard, no sublimation as in “we said so”, (Hopkins, unz.com in all), our scribes and commenters are sterile worker bees deflecting anger, in effect herding dissent into a black hole.

    If our nihilistic public intellectuals are stark naked cheerleaders, what will become thee, but a second rate US presence on the world scene.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  128. @tac

    For a ‘somewhat’ different story see
    Nicholas Bethel, ‘The Palestinian Triangle, The struggle between the British, the Jews and the Arabs, 1935-48’, London 1979
    From 1936 until 1939 there was a full scale guerilla war between jews and British on one side, the Palestinians on the other.
    In order to keep the Arabs on the allied side GB in 1939 drastically reduced jewish migration to Palestine.
    Zionists then began preparing for war, immediately after the end of WWII, in order to first expel the British, then the Palestinians.
    The only Arab army of any significance at the time was the tiny Jordan one.
    Glubb Pacha, Sir John Bagot Glubb, ‘Soldat avec les Arabes’, Paris 1958 (A soldier with the Arabs, London, 1957)
    The zionist negotations with the Arab governments around 1953, after expelling the Palestinians nobody worked the land any more.
    The deal; we the sephardic jews to work the land, you their possessions.
    Zionists were asjkenazi jews, as Solsjenytsyn already described about tsarist Russia, asjkenazi jews loved trade, tilling the soil was for others.

    • Replies: @Anon
  129. I’m of the mind that A.A. has nailed this topic down far more succinctly and with greater clarity.

    https://dailystormer.name/global-thought-police-struggle-to-explain-french-yellow-vest-revolt/

  130. Ragno says:

    Probably should be pointed out – ideology aside, why has the yellow vest uprising been effective when Tea Parties and Occupy-Whatevers could never hope to be?

    No leaders. No actual or symbolic chieftains or counsellors to infiltrate, buy off, compromise.

    Vox Day:

    Think about how easy it would be to turn back an army of ants, or an army of locusts, if they were dependent upon leaders. It’s so much easier to squash a single insect than turn back a rampaging horde; the most counterproductive thing you can do for any anti-establishment movement in these days of the panopticon is to run to the front of the parade and declare yourself to be leading it.

  131. Avery says:
    @tac

    Neither you nor I nor anybody else has so-called “free speech” rights or any rights, for that matter, @unz.com or any other private enterprise website. Even those that you pay for. Even those that you pay for can and do severely limit comments.

    Unz.com is a platform created by Ron Unz with his own money and run with his own money.
    I am not aware of any other site that is as tolerant of reader comments as unz.com.
    I am not aware of any other web site that offers this variety of contributors from the entire spectrum.

    Unz moderators can flush a comment for any reason or no reason at all.
    They can outright ban a poster for any reason or no reason at all.
    For example: “We don’t like you”.
    Don’t complain: be appreciative of the fact that you have a free platform read by lots of people where you are allowed to share your views with very few rules and restrictions.

    • Agree: densa
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    , @tac
  132. Skeptikal says:
    @tac

    Very interesting. Thanks.
    Except, I am not sure what letter is referenced at the beginning of the post.
    I don’t see it.

  133. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ragno

    One very important correction. Writer seems to think it’s just a gasoline tax to fuel vechicles. Gasoline taxes may have risen, I don’t know.

    But the demos aren’t about gasoline taxes at all. They are about heating fuel taxes, a big difference. Heating fuel taxes set off a monster inflationary spiral. Business raises prices to pay the tax. But consumers are buying less because they have to pay the tax to keep the pipes and family from freezing. Some businesses go under, others lay off employees who can’t find jobs becausee simikiar businesses aren’t hiring.

    Schools and government buildings have to be heated. So they charge more for building permits, drivers marriage tobacco sale and other licenses. Cost of getting a copy of a birth certificate goes from maybe 2 to 5 euros.

    If it’s like in America, the less heating fuel and electricity one uses the higher the charge per unit.

    A journalist who doesn’t know what taxes the people are protesting shouldn’t be a journalist. The travel documentary ramble about everything else in France I skipped.

    Why can’t journalists use google?

    Whatever you think of it’s politics, google’s an excellent search engine, especially for basic things like what tax the French are protesting

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Skeptikal
  134. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @tac

    Umm, free speech only applies to government restriction of speech.

    Private entities such as unz, private sector businesses, private schools that don’t take a penny of government money but are supported by tuition and rental property can censor any speech they want.

    The issue has been litigated and decided thousands of times over the last 240 years. It’s common knowledge

    Free speech only applies to government, not unz or any other private entity.

    • Replies: @tac
  135. peterAUS says:
    @S

    Agree, but my question was/is/will be in a foreseeable future: “how to achieve that”?

    “How to achieve a separation into a territorial entity of type my group wants”?

    A lot of unknowns in the sentence above. The biggest is that “how”?

    • Replies: @S
  136. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Not Sephardic, Mizrahi. A lot of Mizrahi have migrated to the United States because they don’t like being treated like Arab Palestinians by the Russian Zionist invaders.

    The whole Sephardi thing is just part of Jewish victimology and grievances. They’d have us believe that every Jew from Morocco to China is a descent of the Jews expelled from Spain by th evil Isabella 526 years ago.

    Not the Persians, a separate group, but all other middle eastern Jews are mostly Mizrahi indigenous Jews who never left ancient Palestine, Egypt and other Mid East countries.

    Never forget, never forgive. The reason they’re always attacking Syria is revenge for the Assyrian conquest in 700 BC.

    They’ll still be weeping and wailing about the poor poor pitiful Sephardi expelled by Isabella for, among other things, kidnapping 10 to 14 year old Catholic Spanish girls and selling them to the Muslim brothels across the Med a thousand years from now

  137. peterAUS says:
    @m___

    Well, this spontaneous outburst of commoner frustration appears to be, somehow, effective a bit.

    It’s a good tactics. But, there is no strategy, let alone ideology, or vision, behind it.

    It has potential and probably shows how proles displeasure is likely to work in near future.

    A lot of possibilities and probabilities there.

    Times are getting interesting.

    • Replies: @m___
  138. @Avery

    The real issue is not what happens internally at UNZ regarding free speech and censorship. The real issue is what may or may not happen to UNZ at the hands of the fake private business “gatekeepers” to the internet vis-à-vis deplatforming, shadow banning, denial of service, doxing etc.

    The internet (contrary to Al Gore’s assertions) is, at the end of the day, the result of teams of technical engineers working under multiple corporate umbrellas financed by the U.S. government (i.e. the U.S. taxpayers and public debt peons) and as such should be treated as a public utility and have far greater freedom of expression safeguards than it currently has.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  139. @Anon

    Increase in prices of essence, fioul, diesel and gazole, with 23%.
    Essence is gas, for cars; diesel, anyone understands; the word fioul is from fuel, light oil for heating, France is not rich, additional heating in winter is done with stoves without chimneys, that burn on fioul, maybe best translated by kerosene; gazole is for house heating installations on oil, with chimneys.

    I did not study Macron’s idiocies in detail, but I suppose also the electricity price has gone up.
    De Gaulle long ago wanted a France not dependent on ME oil countries, so France has dozens of nuclear power plants, electricity was quite cheap in France, was, often is, used for heating.
    What idiot Macron and his cronies do not seem to know is that even French double income households, quite common for French wives to have a job, for years had problems making ends meet.
    Now a president increases the cost of living for CO2 emission reduction !

    As political commentators who follow the movement in the streets state, no discussion is possible between politicians and yellow coat wearers, they live in complete different worlds.

    An example is Macron’s minister for Labour, former Danone HRM CEO.
    An article was published she wrote in her Danone time: Danone as the arcadic work community, where anyone can develop himself harmoniously.
    This was at the time when French labour organisations had paralysed French society because Macron had made it easier to fire people, his labour reform.

    As Mélenchon said about one of Macron’s new politicians ‘no idea that the battle for an eight hour working day took a hundred years’.

    1791 is not so long ago, then, as now, police sympathised with the insurgents.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  140. Ghali says:

    Johnston seems to have a soft side for Fascist like Le Pen and their ilk..

    • Troll: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Anon
  141. @Ghali

    What, in your opinion is a fascist these days, a thirties Italian concept, why is Marine le Pen a fascist, and, if she is, what is wrong with being a fascist according to your definition ?

  142. Franz says:
    @Ragno

    Instead the writer wants to assure us that this is an uprising of set-upon, salt of the earth (read white if you like, but you never saw it here) native Frenchmen (that’s “native”, not “nationalist”) who have traded in their berets and breadloaves for yellow vests…..which presumably they wear in solidarity with their immigrant brothers.

    This is an old pattern, Rags. The demonstration starts in one place and moves wherever it really wanted to be to begin with, or it gets hijacked.

    Prague and Paris, 1968: One got hijacked, but Prague got what it wanted, eventually.

    There’s some hope if there is movement, at least if the movement is real. But…

    Consider that on the 50th anniversary of the Chicago Democratic Convention riots not one commentator mentioned the well-established fact that one out of every four demonstrators destroying a major US political party was an agent of Federal Intelligence, or the Illinois State version, or Daley’s Chicago undercover cops.

    It was US Army Intelligence* that came up with the figure, and they also noted that according to National Guard officers on the ground in Chicago, the estimate was the lowest they could agree on. Might have been one in three. Never made the papers, gee whiz.

    Hope the French don’t get infiltrated too quick. Or us, when it’s our turn,

    Man, it seems like an eon since I was Ragnar at Original Dissent and all this seemed so much simpler, or earlier still at the Sam Francis Forum. We thought elections had to do with something back then. We thought protests were real!

    *Documentation: Kaiser, Charles: Nineteen Sixty-Eight in America

  143. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    The internet problem is that it does not exist.
    During the Cold War the CIA designed a communication system without any central control.
    It was meant for organising USA resistance in case of a USSR occupation of the USA.
    As it does not have central control it cannot be switched off.
    What I understand about it, not being an IT expert, that it is no more than a protocol, anyone who adheres to this protocol can hook up equipment to the system.
    But I’m sure others can explain far better than I can why and how there is an internet that does not exist.

    • Replies: @m___
    , @peterAUS
  144. m___ says:
    @peterAUS

    Indeed. A multiplication of disruptions would poke at the pancake ars that goes for policy makers. “They” (the fringe group of jack-offs, and their croneys (our cherished “public intellectuals”, your well termed “pubs”, or “salons” of the alternative minded (including unz.com, behaving as a deadbeat caroussel, “cheap, and automated” as Ron posted in latter days, fully Patreon enabled), half awake, half asleep, betting the short AND the long), are “hors jeu”. Remember our suggestion of the middle classes canibalizing themselves, the “global” in nationalism, and on.

    On our side of the pond, if Paris is listening, please show us some bravoure (alas brawn). Brains without balls, indeed a mortal mutation.

    The race is on, either the elites heed the warning and sophisticate their approach, including inviting in outsider talent, or they serve more of the same, betting the short. There are a few timely redresses, they must include as a prime variable after all: global deplorables, their numbers and tweaking there-of. The kCal energy use of the deplorables got an undesirable burst.

    We believe in top-down policies, many apply to range and over time, few are worthy in the long run. Indeed an interesting moment to see what our sorry ars “superior” elites can come up with. The cost of doing business, locally, but apt for copy-paste, got a jolt for all parties to learn from.

    Again to Paris, “do not pause”.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  145. Krollchem says:
    @vinteuil

    In addition, health care in Belgium is far better than in france using their socialized medicine model.

    Most of the medical cost increase in America is due to hospital and insurance administration.

  146. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I’ll have to tell my sister and her husband they’re Germans. After all they lived there for years.

    And what about the Russian and American soldiers who lived there and the Americans who still live in Germany?

  147. m___ says:
    @jilles dykstra

    You my friend are on to something.

  148. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghali

    As an economic system, Fascism is the best system mankind has come up with since the ice age ended.

    Communism failed everywhere from Cuba to China. Socialism has been hijacked by anti working class rich progressives. Capitalism is destruction of its workers, from engineers to dishwashers by cheap, cheaper cheapest labor.

    Facism is reasonable government help for everyone both capital and labor and nationalism to prevent capitalists from scouring the earth for cheap cheaper cheapest labor.

    Fascism is the perfect balance of all the competing economic forces. Mussolini and the greatest man of the 20th century, General Francisco Franco developed it and Franklin Roosevelt copies some of it for his new deal which was hi jacked by his communist advisors

    What a man!!!!!!! Franco was the only man who fought a communist invasion whipped them, and drove them out of Spain and back to Russia on American Jewish communist Armand Hammer’s ships. Every other country invaded caved in to communism.

    Anyone who wants to denounce General Franco go right ahead. Display your ignorance.

    For some reason, Facist countries have a lower crime rate than capitalist socialist or communist countries.

    Japan is a perfect example of Facism. Government is heavily involved in the economy and keeps the capitalists under control. Crime is very low due to strict law enforcement and few civil rights. Japan is very nationalistic.
    Japan for the Japanese!!!!!!

    • Replies: @Anon
  149. Belgium, suppose nobody follows the news about signing Marrakech there or not.
    For some time I did not understand what was going on, but I now wonder if I understand the game.
    Belgium has a relatively large ‘populist’ party, anti EU, anti migration.
    Alas, this party, NVA, is so big that Belgium cannot be governed without them.
    How this exactly is legally, do not know.
    But the game seems to be that the Belgian prime minister is going to sign Marrakech, thus manoevring NVA into the position that, in order to prevent the Belgian signature, NVA must let the government fall.
    NVA then gets, it is hoped, I think, a double blame: letting the government fall, and prevent that Belgium signs.
    As the yellow coat movement has begun also in Belgium I wonder what voters will do at the next election, putting party interests before the interests of the country may backfire.
    French politicians do not have a clue about the why of the yellow coats, I wonder if Belgian politicians understand their voters better.
    Brussels is the EU capital, and the Belgian capital, Belgian politicians, Van Rompuy, Verhofstadt, love well paid EU jobs

    • Replies: @Krollchem
  150. @Bill Jones

    There are rioting.

    For instance, every car was burnt in one of the most upperscale area of Paris, the Avenue Kléber. Videos are available on the net.

    There are strugles with policemen. But, there are also often call from the protesting crowd for police to take their side. This has succeded sometimes.

  151. peterAUS says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The internet problem is that it does not exist.

    Yes and no.
    Depends on a couple of variables; knowing “tech” one of them.
    My take: 90 % of people who can use computers with some skill don’t have that “tech”.

    During the Cold War the CIA designed a communication system without any central control.
    It was meant for organising USA resistance in case of a USSR occupation of the USA.

    No…not really.
    It was designed by, essentially, US military, to survive a nuclear attack, not “USSR occupation”.

    As it does not have central control it cannot be switched off.

    Well….yes and no.
    It can’t be “switched off” for a tech savy person. Oh yes, it CAN be switched off, with ease, for the rest.

    What I understand about it, not being an IT expert, that it is no more than a protocol, anyone who adheres to this protocol can hook up equipment to the system.

    Sort of.

    But I’m sure others can explain far better than I can why and how there is an internet that does not exist.

    Getting into OSI model, routing and firewalling here? Not really…..

    But, for this purpose (say,”people control”) it’s not about switching off the Internet, oh no…not at all.
    It’s about USING Internet to control people. And that’s another and much bigger topic.

  152. @Endgame Napoleon

    The marred statue is only a copy. It’s made of plaster. Mainstream medias have fabricated an impressive event from a nothingburger.

    • Replies: @Anon
  153. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    AFAIK diesel fuel is the same as heating oil.
    At least, when I lived in Germany it was.
    That is, when you got the tank filled up for your little heating stove, I think the per-liter price was quite a bit lower than the price for vehicles at a gas station.
    Actually, I think farms could also get the fuel for farm vehicles at a cheaper price than Mercedes drivers.
    My friends who had an old Mercedes would come out to visit me and fill their tank from our heating oil tank.
    I had a stove in my Bude that burned heating oil. Very common in those days. There was a tank out in the shed. We all shared paying for the heating oil. You had a Kanne that you filled from the tank and brought back to your living space and filled the tank of your heating stove. You got the thing going by letting a small amount of oil enter the burning cavity. T hen you dropped down into it a strip of wax-impregnated paper that you had lit with a match. Hopefully, the strip burned long enough to heat up the fuel so it started to burn, and you were good to go. This had to be done first thing on cold mornings in the winter. Don’t go back to bed until the thing is really going, otherwise you would have a problem on your hands with a flooded heating stove. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if many French people still heated this way. Not everyone has central heating, you know! As for whether this is the same thing as kerosene—not sure. Because I don’t think you can drive a diesel-burning vehicle on kerosene, but I could of course be wrong. We had a kerosene stove also when I was growing up. I never heard that one could drive anything with that fuel.

    So, presumably the French do know what they are mad about, and so does Diane Johnstone.

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    , @Anon
  154. Wally says:
    @utu

    What you mention is not free market economics.

    Is that all you got?

  155. Wally says:
    @mobilecrunch premium

    said:
    “They are simplistic and mechanistic in their thinking and long for the emergence of a Stalin or a Hitler who will quickly establish a network of death camps for “mystifiers” and “religious charlatans.”

    Yawn and a laugh.
    Hitler never had “a network of death camps”, or did anything that the Allies didn’t do, there is no proof that he did.

    “we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”
    - so called “holocaust historian” Raul Hilberg

    recommended, comments are a must: American Pravda: Holocaust Denial, by Ron Unz: http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

  156. peterAUS says:
    @m___

    You know……more I recently think about all this “deplorables/whatever” thing against elites/Globalization/whatever…..more those peasant revolts in Europe come to mind.

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  157. S says:
    @peterAUS

    Easier said than done, of course, however when there’s a will, there’s a way.

    It’s been done before.

    I’m in the US, naturally, others such as in Europe or elsewhere, would have to find their own way on this subject.

    First, regarding certain of the mechanics of it.

    As part of the process, information would be made readily available to any and all interested as to how partitions had been accomplished in the past..ie Czechoslovakia, the old Soviet Union, Cyprus, post WWI countries, etc.

    Those wishing for the right of self-determination would be freely allowed to campaign and fully inform their respective group, pros and con, on the subject.

    US government would stay completely neutral.

    After a set period of time referendums on the subject could then take place to determine just which groups might be interested in separating and those person or groups that do not.

    Those groups expressing a significant interest to separate could then amongst themselves determine what they want, and then elect leaders to represent their group’s interest.

    They would meet, possibly under some form of agreed upon arbitration, to determine what territories would be occupied by whom. Included naturally would be multi-cult types (so it can’t be said they were not represented) who seem relatively indifferent to peoplehood, land, and culture.

    Any such self-determination process were it to happen would have to have strong police and military presence not in general to protect from those desiring or seeking self-determination, but from those of the Antifa sort and or what is termed the radical left, in the case of the latter, more and more simply the US Democratic party.

    Of course, despite a strong police and military presence and despite their best efforts to suppress it, there might be some violence during such a process.

    But then, there’s already a great deal of violence taking place right now in the US. And hence, a big part of the reason for those who desire self-determination.

    Post WWII, and considering the US role in it, and for those Euros wishing to improve on the already long odds against achieving the right of self-determination, the ‘Nazi’!TM meme shouldn’t be touched with ‘a ten foot pole’ and ought to be even supressed amongst one’s own.

    Similarly stay away from the Confederacy meme, but know the history of the Civil War.

    Regarding those things, some seem to think this is all some sort of a game.

    It’s not.

    In this scenario, non-Jewish European’s desiring it would still be aiming to have the right to preserve their race, ethnicity, and culture, it’s just the chances of even having the chance to do so would be improved.

    Just wear your normal everyday street clothes when meeting or organizing.

    Why allow for distractions from appealing to one’s own?

    That doesn’t mean not to be aware of the entirety of the history and background (‘alternate history’ or otherwise) of the world wars, including the ‘H’, just acquire and ensure the right of self-determination first, and then go on from there as to type of governence.

    Many would likely be plenty content with a republic home that was non-empire seeking, non wage slavery (ie non-cheap labor/mass immigration) economically based that wasn’t racially replacing/destroying them, besides creating massive amounts of strife.

    Also, as part of this effort, simply to achieve the right of self determination, aim to educate as much of the general public as possible about how chattel slavery and its trade was not abolished but rather monetized via the 19th century introduction of the cheap labor/mass immigration system.

    Relatedly, inform as many as possible about the horrible paradigm historically that chattel slavery and its trade established between slave holding elites and hangers on and non-slave holding citizens, a closely paralleling horrible paradigm that remains today with the cheap labor/mass immigration system, the economic and political basis of the multi-cultural society.

    The slavery aspects underpinning multi-culturalism and its implications are devastating to the powers that be.

    They need to be devastated.

    Hammer them on that.

    They can’t win that.

    Consider informing as much of one’s own as possible, too, about the historic nature of the relationship between the US and Britain, about the very real possibility of the 1776 Revolution being a geo-political false split, and of the ‘special relationship’ between the two countries. Also inform them about the historic US/UK global empire scheme known as the New Rome.

    And too, consider informing as much as one’s own as possible about the dysfunctional relationship, unhealthy to both, that has long existed between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish peoples. That amicable separation (if at all possible) is best. Find those amongst the Jewish people of good will who are open to that and consider joint speaking engagements.

    There’s a powerful moral case against multi-culturalism.

    Generally, those saying no to it have the better cause.

    It’s just that it’s been so poorly presented most don’t know of it.

    Whatever happens or transpires, the morality of one’s endeavor is very important.

    It can make all the difference.

    This is said with the full awareness that at present this is against all odds, and the powers that be don’t have it in the cards pretty much for most everyone to have self-determination.

    But it is some thoughts regarding potential actions.

    Now, having said all that..

    Do you happen to have any ideas as you have put it of ‘How to achieve a separation into a territorial entity of type my group wants”?

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  158. peterAUS says:

    Well, you’ve put some effort in the post so I am obliged to reciprocate.

    Easier said than done, of course, however when there’s a will, there’s a way.

    Yup. The “will” ,in particular.

    It’s been done before.

    It has.

    I’m in the US, naturally, others such as in Europe or elsewhere, would have to find their own way on this subject.

    Agree.

    First, regarding certain of the mechanics of it.
    As part of the process, information would be made readily available to any and all interested as to how partitions had been accomplished in the past..ie Czechoslovakia, the old Soviet Union, Cyprus, post WWI countries, etc.

    Curiously enough, you haven’t mentioned the cases I feel apply the most: Yugoslavia and Donbass/ Novorossiya; the later in particular.
    BTW, that information is available, in minute detail, as we speak, to the public. Anyone willing to spend some time on the topic. Did I say “willing”?

    Those wishing for the right of self-determination would be freely allowed to campaign and fully inform their respective group, pros and con, on the subject.

    Not in this Universe I am afraid.

    US government would stay completely neutral.

    WHOAH.

    After a set period of time referendums on the subject could then take place to determine just which groups might be interested in separating and those person or groups that do not.
    Those groups expressing a significant interest to separate could then amongst themselves determine what they want, and then elect leaders to represent their group’s interest.
    They would meet, possibly under some form of agreed upon arbitration, to determine what territories would be occupied by whom. Included naturally would be multi-cult types (so it can’t be said they were not represented) who seem relatively indifferent to peoplehood, land, and culture.

    Can’t see that happening I am afraid.

    Any such self-determination process were it to happen would have to have strong police and military presence not in general to protect from those desiring or seeking self-determination, but from those of the Antifa sort and or what is termed the radical left, in the case of the latter, more and more simply the US Democratic party.

    I don’t think that Antifa, or Dems would be the problem and, oh yes, I am quite sure there would be significant military presence.

    Of course, despite a strong police and military presence and despite their best efforts to suppress it, there might be some violence during such a process.

    I’d change “some” to “extraordinary”. Everything short of tactical nuclear weapons.

    But then, there’s already a great deal of violence taking place right now in the US. And hence, a big part of the reason for those who desire self-determination.

    No. There is no political violence right now in US. What you see as a violence people with experience in those matters see as a kindergarten play.

    Post WWII, and considering the US role in it, and for those Euros wishing to improve on the already long odds against achieving the right of self-determination, the ‘Nazi’!TM meme shouldn’t be touched with ‘a ten foot pole’ and ought to be even supressed amongst one’s own.

    Long odds for sure.

    Similarly stay away from the Confederacy meme, but know the history of the Civil War.
    Regarding those things, some seem to think this is all some sort of a game.
    It’s not.

    Hehe…it isn’t. It’s not even a start of serious conversation.

    Do you happen to have any ideas as you have put it of ‘How to achieve a separation into a territorial entity of type my group wants”?

    Depends on that “will” thing.
    You said in the very first sentence “when there’s a will, there’s a way”. I believe there is no will at the moment and foreseeable future.
    So, I do NOT have any ideas about that at the moment and foreseeable future.

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  159. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Anon

    Fascism as National Humanism can work.

  160. Krollchem says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The Belgian Prime Minister is going to submit the request to sign the Pact to the Belgian Parliament. He will get enough votes from parties not in the government to pass the proposal (remember that there are dozens of parties in the Parliament).

    The Prime Minister will sign the migration pact which will trigger the collapse of his government. New elections will be called, most likely in January at which time he will not be the new Prime Minister.

    Remember that the King of Belgium is actually the King of the Belge (people) and not of the country.

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  161. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Thank you thank you for the information.

  162. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Election on Trump was a peasant’s revolt. We, the peasant voters projected our wish for a leader on to candidate Trump.

  163. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal

    Well yeah, they’re mad about heating fuel bills whatever it is, however delivered.

    In the last 2 years Californians have seen the dangers of the kind of heating arrangements you describe.

    Many rural and suburban areas that burnt down in the fires are in septic and propane tank areas. When the fire hits the propane tanks they just explode, flaming fuel everywhere house to house to house.

    Relative lived in that Napa neighborhood where 22 people burnt to death. He saw the propane tanks exploding one by one up the hill to his house. They were the only family that survived. They took the fire road up the mountain and then to the coast.

    I’d like to see propane use banned. That town Paradise that was burnt out had a lot of septic and propane homes on the outskirts.

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    , @Skeptikal
  164. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Doesn’t matter with what or how a home business or any building is heated, underground gas lines in a city or fuel delivered by trucks, or coal and wood. It all costs money and taxes can raise the price to an unsustainable level

    We have those systems in many areas of the US too. It’s as expensive as a gas companies underground pipes that deliver the fuel directly to the furnace.

  165. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal

    Oil, gas in underground pipes, propane tanks diesel tanks wood and coal piles it’s all the same and the tax is on all heating fuel no matter what it is or how it’s delivered and used.

    I’ve known about propane tanks all my life. I’d never buy a septic and or propane tank house but I know all about the kind of heating you describe. I assume you thought I was writing only about a municipal utility company with underground gas lines directly into the furnace and stove.

    You can go out into the woods and get your own wood, but you still have to buy any kind of oil gas propane diesel whatever is used in your building

  166. Miro23 says:
    @S

    Do you happen to have any ideas as you have put it of ‘How to achieve a separation into a territorial entity of type my group wants”?

    IMO it could probably happen in one of two ways.

    Either 1) an Anglo led dictatorship, redefining the whole of the US as an Anglo led society based on the US Constitution (in fact what it was until the 20th century), or 2) local initiatives at the county/state level making their own political arrangements (and funding them) setting a path towards a US Confederation of States and the downgrading of central government and the Presidency.

    Both paths would challenge current US Neoliberal power, and would be contested by all means, with the real issue being how that fight would work out.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @S
  167. Amon says:
    @GourmetDan

    And privatized medicine always “saves” money by overcharging you, extending your treatment and hiring the cheapest staff members possible.

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  168. Amon says:
    @Traddles

    Look up Denmark and its approach to immigration and immigrants.

  169. France – and Italy, Greece, Portugal … – suffer from 9 years of depressed economies because of the eurozone straitjacket. “Helicopter money” (Milton Friedman’s term) for the masses is the way to go – parallel digital currencies in eurozone countries. Spent into circulation by national governments.

    There is no EU law that forbids this*. Then it depends solely on political will in the country in question. The issue is domestic, and political not legal. The EU/ECB would have to be bystanders. They would of course like to stop it, but then they would have to invade. ;-)
    ____

    * So how can a parallel digital currency in f.inst. France and Italy be EU-legal?

    Answer:

    A. as long as it is digital and not bills and coins, and not declared “legal tender” it is not EU-illegal, see

    Consolidated versions of the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, Article 128:

    1. The European Central Bank shall have the exclusive right to authorise the issue of euro banknotes within the Union. The European Central Bank and the national central banks may issue such notes. The banknotes issued by the European Central Bank and the national central banks shall be the only such notes to have the status of legal tender within the Union.

    2. Member States may issue euro coins subject to approval by the European Central Bank of the volume of the issue. The Council, on a proposal from the Commission and after consulting the European Parliament and the European Central Bank, may adopt measures to harmonise the denominations and technical specifications of all coins intended for circulation to the extent necessary to permit their smooth circulation within the Union.

    B. Furthermore, the parallel currency issued (it resembles a government bond) shall not be redeemed in €, but may (only) be used to pay taxes, and is by this extinguished. Then it is not government debt as defined by the EU. So a “deficit” in this parallel currency does not count as government deficit as per the EU Maastricht rules.

    Of course, countries in the eurozone straitjacket should act fast on this, because I believe the EU/ECB are aware of the possibilities and are now working overtime to “close the loophole”.

  170. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    That’s really a stretch.
    Equating a heating oil tank with a propane tank.
    You are really ignorant.
    and, looks like you can’t admit an error so you bolt off in a different direction.

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  171. @Amon

    And privatized medicine always “saves” money by overcharging you, extending your treatment and hiring the cheapest staff members possible.

    Welcome troll…

  172. @Krollchem

    Judging by your name you may be Belgian.
    Anyhow, just one thing is clear to me at the moment, the Belgian ruling class wants Marrakech signed, and, but I’m not an expert in Belgian state legal affairs, wants to blame the ‘populist’ NVA for either not blocking the signature, thus not being consistent, or for letting the government fall.
    In the last case, new elections, of which the ruling class hopes that NVA will be the loser.
    Now again, I may be completely wrong in this analysis.

    But clear seems that many in Belgium are fed up with this circus, as it has been called on Belgian tv

    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/12/05/tom-leenaerts-over-calvo-en-de-roover/

    I hope that this circus, where the interests of common people again are completely ignored by the ruling class, will have the same effect as Jupiter’s 23% increase in fuel prices; insurrection.

    How it became possible that in many of the EU member states there emerged a ruling class completely without contact with middle and lower class, I still do not understand.
    Since quite a while, year(s) maybe, the inclination of resorting to violence has been seen increasing in many EU member states.
    But those in the Brussels EU ghetto seem to live completely isolated.

    The easy victory of the yellow coats in France does not seem to have made any impact among most Belgian politicians.
    Never before in French history had a president to accept defeat in just under two weeks.
    What now is going to happen in France, I’ve no idea.
    One thing is clear: Jupiter lost all credibility and authority.

    The only way out I see in new elections, president and parliament, but if the French electoral system is not changed profoundy before elections, nothing will change.
    De Gaulle, when he was asked to save France from civil war, could demand a new constitution, and got what he wanted.
    But who in present France is so in esteem that he can demand a new constitution as condition for saving France ?
    Just Marine le Pen has any chance, but cannot see how EU, NATO, Deep State, Trump, Israel, will let this happen.

    What if in few days Michel will be in the same position as Macron now ?
    The only man capable of leading Belgium right now seems to me to be Bart de Wever.
    If clown Michel flies to Marrakech to sign, there are quite a few good hotels there, Churchill and Harry Hopkins liked it there.
    It is rumoured that the Michel family has African investments for dozens of millions.

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  173. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    Furthermore, the point of my post was that diesel = heating oil.

    But since you seemed to think the Californian wildfires are relevant to this thread:

    Have you ever heard of a tank of diesel fuel exploding froma spark hiting it, like propane?
    the whole point of it is that it is an effort to get it to burn in the first place.
    A spark won’t do it.

    So, back to the main topic, which is that I think the French know what they are rioting about, and so does Diane Johnstone. She is writing about France, not California, silly.

    • Replies: @Anon
  174. While I sympathize with France (also want to put these technocrat, neoliberal, globaist people six feet under) and those not conforming to the following statement, victims of a broken electoral process, France voted this guy into office! He was literally likened to Obama. What the hell did they think would happen?? These protests need to stop outside the doors of the people drinking the punch who vote for these clowns.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  175. peterAUS says:
    @Miro23

    Agree.
    Especially with:

    …would be contested by all means, with the real issue being how that fight would work out.

    Emphasize on “fight“.

  176. France voted this guy into office!

    You can guess today that your sentence was formally true, but it misrepresents the real story.

    When you know the detail, you must conclude the Macron Election was a bloodless coup d’état.

    He just controlled the primaries in Left and Right (himself did not participates) in order to have only dumb or discredited adversaries. He only got 22% in this first round of election. Then in final round he comfronted Le Pen, which was kind of a nazi, according to every mainstream media.

    Macron is not the worst of the worst. For instance French Nationalists see Macron like a bit of fresh air, after US/Israêl poodles Sarkozy and Hollande.
    That may explain this:
    The more you look at “Yellow Vest”, the more you see a color revolution (made in Paris, designed in Langley)

    Anyway, before he got elected:
    -10% wanted him
    -for 20%, Macron was ok as a second choice
    -70% did not want him

    • Replies: @Hail
  177. @Roger Smith

    ” France voted this guy into office! ”
    Hardly.
    The French voting system allows anyone, not quite, but practically, to run for president in the first round of the elections.
    Now I do not now remember the results of the last election, but differences between the three main candidates were very small: Macron, Mélenchon, Marine le Pen.
    No candidate got more than some 28% of the votes.

    But I do remember the % of the elections for parliament.
    Macron’s brand new party got some 375 seats in parliament with 15% of the possible votes !

    I must admit that few French bothered to vote.

    The present French consitution was designed in such a way that always a stable government was assured.
    Any country has the problem of its history, between the two world wars some cabinets were in office for a few days ?
    I wonder if there even was a ‘few hours’ cabinet

    The problem with this constitution is of course that a ruling class has been formed, mayors have great political influence, if I remember correctly you need the personal support of a number of mayors to be a candidate.
    Stability is great, of course, but a stability that makes it possible for a ruling class to remain in power, one wonders what democracy is.

    After the Hollande Le Pen election, based on the popular vote, Front National should have got some 120 of the 600 seats, at least.
    In reality: four.

  178. Krollchem says:
    @jilles dykstra

    My wife is Belgian of both Wallonia and Flemish roots and my late mother in law was born in France.
    I have lived like a Belgian at home for some 40 years and have been to France and Belgium many times. You may be interested in my comments on the new French Revolution in detail at:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/12/the-french-people-reject-macrons-policies-how-long-can-he-survive/comments/page/2/#comments

  179. “There were young women who were working seven days a week and despaired of having enough money to feed and clothe their children”

    Now I finally understand why France is importing so many young males from the Middle East and Africa. There are no French men available to help feed and clothe the women’s children, so new men must be imported from Africa. One look at the French soccer team is all it tales to understand the plight of the poor French woman.

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  180. Skeptikal says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    No one should burn down French cities.
    Just burn the cars, etc.
    People live in cities, plus we like to visit French cities.

  181. @europeasant

    There is no French soccer team.
    As a French white hairdresser said to me ‘ils sont tous étrangers’, ‘they’re all foreigners’
    White middle class French are not interested in soccer any more.
    This began when the European Court obliged France to accept a Belgian black soccer player in the national team.

  182. S says:
    @Miro23

    2) local initiatives at the county/state level making their own political arrangements (and funding them) setting a path towards a US Confederation of States and the downgrading of central government and the Presidency.

    Some interesting thoughts there.

    Both paths would challenge current US Neoliberal power, and would be contested by all means, with the real issue being how that fight would work out.

    Quite true.

    That’s where a powerful moral cause is important, whatever happens.

    That can make the difference when dealing with seemingly overwhelming power, especially if those you are dealing with solidly know they have a very poor moral cause.

    Regarding the moral aspects, the ‘Nazi!’TM meme is just ‘what the doctor ordered’ for the powers that be. If there were not already some like that, they would pay for their presence amongst those opposed to the present state of things (which they no doubt do in certain instances).

    • Replies: @Miro23
  183. Miro23 says:
    @S

    Regarding the moral aspects, the ‘Nazi!’TM meme is just ‘what the doctor ordered’ for the powers that be. If there were not already some like that, they would pay for their presence amongst those opposed to the present state of things (which they no doubt do in certain instances).

    IMO there’s little chance that the US works out the local Democracy variant. It needs too much work and planning and Washington will stop it every way they can.

    That leaves a dictatorship, which implies a coup, and probably Civil War 2. If it’s a Zio/Glob SJW dictatorship they will certainly try to disarm the public, and if the fighting starts it will come down to the loyalty of the military and Homeland Security (they have the weapons that count).

    Anyone worried about being called a Nazi! ™ isn’t going to playing any part in anything, and will be hiding in a basement somewhere.

    • Replies: @S
  184. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal

    Fuel tanks don’t explode due to a spark or a cigarette silly city sissy boy . But when a raging forest fire hits a propane tank it explodes and flaming fuel shoots all over and burns the homeowners to death as well as spreading the fire silly city sissy boy.

    I googled around the internet and discovered that th tax raise applied to all heating fuel, whether municipal utilities or whatever they use in alpine hunting cabins with well water and propane tanks.

    Johnstone seemed to think the new tax applied only to gasoline taxes for vechicles. Or maybe she knows the taxes apply to all heating fuels whatever kind however delivered and however used but she just can’t write well enough to make it clear to the reader to what fuel the tax raise was applied silly sissy city boy.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Krollchem
  185. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal

    Whatever fuel is delivered in a truck, pumped into the householder’s tank and piped into his furnace and stove, it’s all heating fuel.

    And after looking around the internet I learned that the tax raise applies to all fuel, gas for vechicles or heating fuel of every kind silly city sissy boy.

    What’s your point? Segue off into a display of what you assume about French heating systems silly sissy boy?

    If Johnston couldn’t make it clear the new tax applied to all fuel, that’s not my fault.

    And being a silly city sissy boy you have no idea of what happens when a forest fire hits a neighborhood heated by popane tanks.

  186. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    ” silly city sissy boy ”

    Bwahaha, On two counts.
    The lengths the macho men of RU will go to insult others are hysterical. Literally and figuratively.

    Once again, Little Girl, what I posted had nothing to do with propane.
    Why are you trying to pick a fight and be right.
    Grow up and grow a pair.

    • Replies: @Anon
  187. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal

    Why did you assume I was only writing about city underground gas piped directly into the furnace and stoves??
    Why do you assume many French use heating systems you describe? Maybe up in rural areas of the mountains, but not in cities and towns.

    All fuel is taxed, even the fuel you and your friends used in Germany.

  188. Krollchem says:
    @Anon

    “Johnstone seemed to think the new tax applied only to gasoline taxes for vehicles.”

    From what I understand the taxes are on a wide range of items. Furthermore, Macron’s proposal to delay the new taxes for another six months is just a smokescreen to allow the following:
    (1) Allow the National Police time to recover and improve their skills;
    (2) Acquire large stores of tear gas and stun grenades;
    (3) Avoid additional protests over the signing of the migration pact;
    (4) Identify any organizers and arrest them;
    (5) Draft additional laws to control protests (free speech zones?)
    (6) Stall any further protests until after the European Parliament elections in May, 2019
    See also :

    Appended are the increase in taxes proposed by Macron in 2019. Notice how the media fails to mention taxes other than fuel taxes. Such taxes will force businesses to raise the cost of purchasing other items to the French public (e.g. food, appliances, household items, clothes, etc.). As Jean Bricmont states “The revolt is not just about the gas prices, it’s a general revolt against the policy of the government”

    https://www.rt.com/news/445428-yellow-vests-eu-macron/

    Other issues are:
    (1) multinational corporations are exempt from the taxes due to treaties (e.g. airlines, and ship travelling through French waters0;
    (2) those living near the borders of other countries can just buy outside France;
    (3) Truckers from outside France do not pay the tax if they fill up outside France;
    (4) There is also a set of tax breaks to corporations and the rich

    Taxes and the percentage increases:

    [MORE]

    12% Carburant (fuel)
    15% Frais bancaire (bank charges)
    130% PV de stationnement (parking tickets)
    3-5% Assurances (insurance)
    5% Mutuelle (French benefit insurance system)
    10% Timbres poste (postage stamps)
    15% Carte grise (license fee)
    10% Tabac (tobacco)
    3% Abonnement bus (bus pass)
    1.3% Peage routier (road toll)
    7% Gaz (natural gas)
    15% Forfait Hospitalier (hospital deductable)
    30% Abonnement velib (bicycle rentals)
    23% Control technique automobile(auto inspection cost)
    1-3% Cantine scolaire (school lunches)
    36% Fioul domestique (heating fuel)
    17% Electricite (Electricity)
    21.7% CSG (General social contribution to finance social programs)

    • Replies: @Anon
  189. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The taxes also apply to kerosene diesel propane essence or any kind of fuel. I checked before I posted. I didn’t write just about municipal utility companies that use underground pipes that pipe into the house and then into the stove and furnace via the house pipes but all heating fuel in general.

    Many suburban and rural American homes don’t have utility company underground gas service. They use the system you describe and they pay the taxes in the feud on whatever kind of fuel it is.

  190. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @ploni almoni

    Excellent idea and add all university and college staff except for maintenance and janitors

  191. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Krollchem

    Thank you so much.

    I just read about heating taxes. Heating and electricity taxes are so destructive to an economy. Prices are raised to pay the taxes, consumers and businesses buy less and less and a depression ensues.

    In some American towns people pay like an $8 tax on a $30 water bill, 24 %.

    There was a small gas&electric tax revolt in Illinois some years ago when the state counties, cities and towns slapped a monster tax on those utilities.

    It failed, the tax wasn’t rescinded. But people on welfare got some kind of subsidy paid for by the workers who paid the full tax on their utility tax as well.

    Again, thanks for diverting the discussion away from assertions about a few people who still use kerosene stoves with the implication that kerosene isn’t taxed.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
    , @Krollchem
  192. Krollchem says:
    @Anon

    I Forgot to mention that when consumer prices are raised due to Macron’s taxes the Value Added Tax (VAT) also increases. “The revenues collected from VAT make up 45% of the French state revenues.”http://www.economywatch.com/business-and-economy/france.html

    here is a list of French VAT rates

    https://www.vatlive.com/vat-rates/european-vat-rates/

    My own opinion is that the Globalists want to turn France into a plantation economy for the rich globalists. This is not unlike the strategy the great powers have used in their neo-colonalist strategy, commonly called the “Angola Variant”.

    • Replies: @utu
  193. Krollchem says:
    @Anon

    Warning from Saber Solo Seven:
    Yellow Vests CAUTION SATURDAY PLEASE Armored Vehicles Gendarmes Traitors Are Ready To Intervene.
    This is a video of the director general of the National Police stating that armored vehicles will be deployed this Saturday.

    In response, the VIGI police union for support staff has just announced an unlimited strike to shut down the five police unions who are calling for the military to put down the French people. Without the support staff the National police actions will soon crash as the police are worn out and are running out of tear gas. Many also do not want to carry out their orders but cannot strike. Videos also show that a portion to the CRS riot police are very violent which is normal as they are often former military deployed around the world to crush brown and black people for the corporate interests. For this faction of the National Police cracking the heads of French is much easier to do now that they have gone full sadistic.

    Préavis de grève illimitée déposé dans la Police Nationale à partir du 8 décembre 2018 !!!

    https://vigimi.fr/f/actualites-fr/entry/preavis-de-greve-illimitee-depose-dans-la-police-nationale-a-partir-du-8-decembre-2018

    Google translate does a good enough translation to allow non-French to understand…

  194. Krollchem says:

    There is a lot of evidence that the National Police do not fully support the Macron regime but cannot strike. Here is an example of a high ranking général de gendarmerie who retired rather than support the Macron regime and is now a part of a anti-EU organization.

    The Gilets Jaunes movement is fully supported by the organization Objectif France whose vice president is the recently retired général de gendarmerie Bertrand Soubelet (four star) who was formally the Chief of Operations for the National Gendarmerie. Général Soubelet is now the vice-président d’Objectif France

    http://www.objectif-france.org/

    General Bertrand Soubelet retired as soon as he found out the composition of the corrupt Macron government.

    http://www.bvoltaire.fr/general-soubelet-se-retire/

    Général Soubelet is an author of several books including the best seller Tout ce qu’il ne faut pas dire Broché – 24 mars 2016 https://www.amazon.fr/Tout-quil-faut-pas-dire/dp/2259249094

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  195. @Krollchem

    Thanks for the links and information. Very interesting.

  196. S says:
    @peterAUS

    S writes: But then, there’s already a great deal of violence taking place right now in the US. And hence, a big part of the reason for those who desire self-determination.

    peterAUS writes: No. There is no political violence right now in US. What you see as a violence people with experience in those matters see as a kindergarten play.

    Your ‘experience in those matters’ did not preclude your jumping to a wild and erroneous conclusion. If you’d desired clarification, you could have simply asked, and I would have gladly responded.

    When I spoke of ‘violence’ I was in no way speaking of ‘political violence’, but rather about what is termed ‘black on white’ violence in the US. ‘Black’ here for the most part is a reference to the descendants of the former African slaves.

    In the area of rape alone it is at minimum ten thousand black on white rapes a year, year in and year out, some say quite a few more than that, while the reverse doesn’t even register.

    Those are peoples wives, mother’s, and daughters on the receiving end of that rape, and on that point alone, if the government cared at all about the people it is supposed to be representing, they would allow those desiring to do so to separate themselves and their loved ones.

    I had thought of writing responses to some of your other statements, but what’s the use?

    You have a presumptive and condescending arrogance about yourself that’s combined with a bitter, dark, and almost wholly negative cynicism.

    When you respond to others it’s not in general for the purpose of legitimate and constructive criticism, or simple friendly discussion, but rather it’s a niggling, draining, and nitpicking querying, which is overall hyper-critical in its character, regarding matters of which you already very well have your own conclusions, for the purpose one can only surmise of tearing down, and bringing others to your own level, which must be a singularly miserable existance.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree, not as much regarding specific ideas or beliefs, but in regards to general life outlook.

    Respond if you like, but have no expectation of getting any response.

    As far from perfect as I am, I at least sometimes see the cup as half full, and not always being empty.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Anon
  197. @Krollchem

    The vigi union is a subsidiary of the CGT union. This one was bound to the communist french party. They obeyed to Moscow. Since the fall of USRR, the CGT seems to answer to orders from Washington. The truth is that presently they are more on an Soros-like agenda (LGBT+immigration) than defending the interests of french salarymen.

    The anger of people is quite real. Nevertheless everybody should understand that it is a color revolution, like the Arabs Springs. The conspiracy is obvious enough, since General De Villiers, an OTAN asset, has been shown by pro-US french medias as a the strong man who should rule France.

    If the color revolution does not suceed, it will be the end of the American Empire, since USA will have lost almost every allied governement in Eurasia, but UK and Japan.

    Such is the way Macron police reacts to protestors, they are pushed to burn cars in area of Paris which are notoriously cosmopolitan upperscale and pro-US.
    Macron is neither dead, neither stupid.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
    , @utu
  198. peterAUS says:
    @S

    Well….that’s a well thought out, written and civil reply based on, apparently, total disagreement.
    That’s, itself, highly commendable, especially on this site.

    And….hehe…we do agree on:

    ….We’ll have to agree to disagree….

    You appear to be a “nice and learnt civilian” trying to think about how would an attempt to separate, secede, look like in USA.
    You took a brief look at that possibility and, with reason, recoiled in horror.

    Good.

  199. S says:
    @Miro23

    IMO there’s little chance that the US works out the local Democracy variant. It needs too much work and planning and Washington will stop it every way they can.

    That leaves a dictatorship, which implies a coup, and probably Civil War 2.

    It’s very late in the day as they say.

    We’ll find out what’s to transpire soon enough.

    Anyone worried about being called a Nazi! ™ isn’t going to playing any part in anything, and will be hiding in a basement somewhere.

    I trust that’s not a reference to myself.

    Anyone simply breathing that disagrees with the present state of things is slapped with the much abused ‘Nazi’ label.

    In case it was not understood, I was referring to the beyond unfortunate post WWII adoption by some in the US (a republic at least in theory, that was wholly mobilized during WWII to fight against NS Germany) of NS symbology and paraphernalia, and certain ideas, ie the ‘Nazi’ meme. Commander Rockwall comes to mind in that area. Of course there’s those like that now.

    What better way to ensure the needless alienation of one’s self and what good ideas one might have from their own people?

    One’s own people, a lot of whom are in the US military and Homeland security at present.

  200. “Such is the way Macron police reacts to protestors, they are pushed to burn cars in area of Paris which are notoriously cosmopolitan upperscale and pro-US.”

    What is it about the French and the amusing “carbques” we see regularly broadcast on television?

    Out of curiosity, were they inspired by the 1960s French movie “Weekend?”

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  201. Krollchem says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Interesting that you echo Moon of Alabama comment JP @ 125.

    You may possibly be correct that “General De Villiers, an OTAN asset, has been shown by pro-US french medias as a the strong man who should rule France.”

    I suspect that ruling elite expect the French people will eventually fall for Alisa Zinov’yevna Rosenbaum’s Atlas Shrugged end game where they beg their masters for a return to order, any order.

    General De Villiers is a currently a principal consultant at 7UNITAS which works in service to multinational corporations.

  202. @Krollchem

    Cannot imagine French soldiers using machine guns on French citizens.
    The 14th of July 1791 each year is a national holiday, at that date French soldiers joined the mob storming the Bastille.
    If they indeed shoot, what the consequences will be ?
    I’ve no idea

  203. @jilles dykstra

    Been thinking since I wrote ‘no idea’.
    I now see two possibilities, Macron dragged from the Elysée, and lynched by an angry crowd, or a loyal helicopter crew flying him to safety in Germany.
    But, the Sun King tried to escape, his coach was halted, he ended under the guillotine.
    If the French airforce will let him go, not sure for me.

  204. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    If the color revolution does not suceed

    How would you define success in this case?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  205. utu says:
    @Krollchem

    My own opinion is that the Globalists want to turn France into a plantation economy for the rich globalists. This is not unlike the strategy the great powers have used in their neo-colonalist strategy, commonly called the “Angola Variant”.

    You are exaggerating. Obviously the Globalists are up to no good but we do not know what is it exactly. France has been playing the game the NWO wants for some time already. France even returned to NATO. France is doing in Africa what the NWO wants, France is pushing immigration, France is bombing in Syria. Still the bankers and the neoliberals would like to see France move faster towards the neoliberalism but France can’t because of strong unions and French mentality. The French recognize the neoliberalism as a foreign anglo-saxon ideology that’s why they have much stronger resistance to it on nationalistic grounds than other Europeans. The French have stronger immune system. Is their resistance and ability to react used against them in this case? This would be a complicate and risky operational game. Were they purposefully provoked or was it spontaneous and unexpected and now various actors are trying to steer it in directions they like? One should not overcomplicate speculations. At this point we can only look at who may benefit from it in different scenarios but even this leads to multilayer speculations. Basically we mast wait and see.

  206. @Joe Stalin

    Those carbque you have seen before were always in suburbs and ghettos inhabited by children of immigration. Dumb poor peoples put on fire cars owned by other poor peoples. It makes for a few hundred cars every years. That is nothing relative to 20 million cars in France.
    For instance, I live in paris, but I cannot remember seing one in real life.
    Basically, you can take anything US media say about life in France as being wrong or overated.
    That is why this text from Diana Johnstone is exceptionnal. I only found one small error (about the tidal energy).

    Today, the cabque is not the one we knew. It’s location is very exceptionnal. Suddenly, police forces were not able to protect car in this upperscale area. Something doesn’t add upp.

    The Goddard movie “Week-end” is known only by aficionados in France.

    • Replies: @utu
  207. @utu

    Success, as defined from the point of view of the instigators: french government is replaced by a poodle of USA.
    Or, long lasting chaos may be good enough.

    • Replies: @utu
  208. @jilles dykstra

    French soldiers joined the mob storming the Bastille.

    yes, but you cannot make a rule from that case. There was different kind of troops at that time.
    There was Royal Army, Guards from the City of Paris and some troops, drafted from the jails (…) which were used by Insurgent Authorities.

    Anyway, there is several cases in the last two or three centuries, when soldiers shot civil protests or workers on strike.

    About today, of course lot of police or army forces are neutral or sympathetic to protestors. But there are also enough who don’t care anything but execute the orders.

    The real thing is: Macron is not Pol Pot, and he knows that if there is too much blood spilled, he’ll have to go.

  209. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    In one of Kundera’s novels there is a French professor who during his night walks in his Paris neighborhood (presumably upscale) punctures tires of parked cars with a kitchen knife.

  210. @jilles dykstra

    Macron dragged from the Elysée

    That cannot happen.

    Below Elysée, there is an underground bunker, strong enough to sustain nuke.

    Anyway, twelve armored vehicle have been dispatched. Not sure about the exact area which will be protected. Maybe the storming crowd will be permitted to attack some other official building in the vicinity? The nearest one is the Interior Ministry; Next, comes the US embassy. Huhuhu….

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @jilles dykstra
  211. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Would you say that resignation of de Gaulle in 1969 was one of successes of instigators of the 1968 revolt? That Pompidou 3-4 years later could bring French law concerning central bank in sync with the Anglo-American consensus?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  212. @utu

    I believe you know as much as myself on these topics. Nobody of us has strong proof for this theory; let’s say this scenario has a plausibility around 60%.

    A few details which could be relevant:
    -De Gaulle was very old, a veteran of WW1 and WW2. He was not in the “air du temps”. May be the instigators did not make very much in 1969.
    -Pompidou was, like Macron, a former Rothschild employee. But it had been the choice of DeGaulle to give him First Minister position, many years before. Furthermore, Pompidou was deadly sick at the time of the central bank law.
    -May be one should look at the Finance Minister Valery Giscard D’Estaing. By the way, he suceeded Pompidou at l’Elysée. After that, he had been a major player in the making of European Union.
    -In 1967 De Gaulle depicted publicly Israêl and jewish people in a way which was seen hostile by many Jews.

    • Replies: @utu
  213. @jilles dykstra

    If the French airforce will let him go,

    Usually, chiefs of french army keep their position when a new president is elected.
    But Macron fired soon(*) the top chief, for a farfetched motive.

    Who was the fired one? Guess what?
    It was General De Villiers!

    Remember what I said in comment°204, about that general,
    Thus Macron thought about loyalty of militaries, long time ago.
    ——–
    (*) The timing is :
    -On May 7, 2017, Macron was elected
    -May 29, Macron in the Palace of Versailles has meeting with Vladimir Putin
    -July 12, De Villiers complaints about military budget.
    -July 14, Trump is in Paris.
    -July 15, Macron fires De Villiers.

    My guess is: Putin gave Macron some infos about USA assets, like Putin gave Erdogan, before he escaped the coup d’état in Turkey, 2016. There is two cues:
    1) Before Macron, It never happened that, so shortly after election, the first visiting chief of state came from Russia.
    2) It never happened since 50 years that a meeting with foreign chief of state went in Versailles Palace. Thus this place was free of CIA or NSA device. Since both previous french presidents were US poodles, no usual place of meeting was safe. Huhuhu…

  214. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @tac

    The firemen picked St Barbara’s day Dec 4 for their demonstration. She’s the patron saint of firemen, grenade throwers bombardiers snipers and anything to do with explosives and early gun and cannon manufacture.

    Before the revolution the artillery regiments had St Barbara on their badges. Cool!!

  215. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Keep us posted please

  216. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal

    You started the fight by jumping on my comment about how a rise in fuel cost including heating fuel leads to inflation and then recession with your ignorant claim that the tax only applied to gasoline.

    The tax applied to all utilities including water and electricity. Most French electricity is produced by nuclear power plants which don’t use fossil fuel. Bet you don’t know that. Now I suppose you’ll claim there are no nuclear power plants in France and that they use kerosene lamps.

    Water is plentiful in France due to snow melt from the mountains vast numbers of lakes and rivers and 200 days of rain a year in some areas. But a tax on water was included in the utility tax raise.

    All utilities including all fuel were subject to the new taxes, not just gasoline as you claimed. You were wrong.

    And those tanks of heating fuel propane or whatever in France or America are extremely dangerous when there a wildfire as they spread the fire.

    It’s 2018, not 1880. France is a modern country and uses nuclear power for electricity and heat more than USA does. The taxes on nuclear electricity were raised along with power produced by fossil fuels, silly sissy city boy

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Skeptikal
  217. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @S

    You’re right about Peter Aus’ comments. He’s just another brainwashed foreigner who thinks we Lynch blacks and reads a chapter of To Kill a Mockinbird every day.

    The brainwashing comes from reading the White hating black criminal hating American Jew media.

  218. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I believe you know as much as myself on these topics.

    People in the Anglo world are really deprived of information about France and most importantly what the French really think, what are their attitudes, prejudices and even paranoias. American and Brits are dismissive of France and not infrequently hostile to France. The working knowledge of French language is rare. And French commentators are infrequent on English language blogs. It is great that you are here and I encourage you to write elaborate comments to everybody’s benefit here.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  219. @Parisian Guy

    We often have been in France, a country with stil a lot of room, many months, each year, during the last fifteen years or so.
    Now of course, there is not A France, no country is homogeneous.
    Already in 2005 there were serious rebellions, mainly Muslims in suburbs, called banlieues, places where mainly white French police hardly dares to go.
    At the time ordinary French, living far away from the cities, were afraid, for what, exactly, not clear, these rebellions were local, not over the whole of France.

    This summer Macron reformed the French labour market, French love cradle to the grave jobs, Macron sees this as old fashioned.
    Serious disturbances were the result, gas and diesel for cars ran out, but the movement, La France Insoumise, gave up.
    Since then Macron popularity went further down, from about a third to 18%, the latest figure I remember.

    Now just two weeks ago Macron held a speech about more reforms, including the 23% increase in energy costs.
    I have not heard or seen the speech, but this does not mean much, we were in the Netherlands.
    But according to a Belgian political analyst the speech made no impression at all, except of course the tax to be increased already by Jan 1st.

    How the yellow coat movement, leaderless, began, nobody now seems to know.
    But it was over the whole of France, cities, towns, countryside.
    Dutch trying to go home had great difficulties.

    But except for being leaderless, the government is unable to find anyone willing to talk to them, the movement was peaceful, few disturbances.
    The rumouris that what is called forces d’ordre have informed the government that they cannot restore order, most police sympathises with the yellow coats.

    Though in France, as in most countries, police are not allowed to strike or demonstate, they did, in a limited way.
    The main complaint is that theyre running the risks, quite a few policemen or -women have been killed, for low salaries, with not enough men or women, while the bosses send them on dangerous missions, from behind safe desks, getting good salaries.
    Pictures exist of police singing the Marsaillaise together with the yellow coats, standing in front of each other, police with helmets off.
    Now citizens have been warned about the use of armored personnel carriers.

    The dragging and lynching idea crossed my mind pondering what would happen if indeed French citizens have been gunned down with machine guns, unarmed citizens, though use of molotov cocktails has been reported, and the latest gadget named, fireworks taped to hair spray.
    Now I cannot oversee what will happen if indeed armed personnel carriers are attacked with devices like this, and, in panic, or ordered, begin to shoot from personnel carriers.

    If, say, a few dozen citizens have been mowed down, if I were Macron, I would no longer be sure that my guards would protect me.
    Those defending a beleagured Elysée might well decide to save their lives by no longer protecting Macron.

    The comparison to USSR tanks in Lithuania enters my mind, tanks sent to take the tv station back from the rebels.
    After tanks had rolled over, forgot, 13 or 17 protesters, the USSR soldiers gave up.

    But, whatever happens or not tomorrow, already an old French polician stated that this now is far worse than the 1968 student protests.
    Right now the whole country seems to be against the policians, though what the country wants is far from clear, often contradictory.
    That France now is politically very sick, is beyond any doubt.
    Several French told us this in casual talks over the last few months.
    Being sick, in my opinion a total lack of trust in nearly all policians, built up over decades.
    However,cannot see any De Gaulle right now who can take the reins, and, contrary to when De Gaulle restored order, there now is a EU, part, of course of the problem, Macon seen as a Brussels errand boy, but also an EU that has not the slightest intention of giving up sovereignty.

    To prevent misunderstanding, part of the French problems might find a solution by ruling France again, more, from Paris, but at the same time Merkel holds a speech about how parliaments should transfer part of their power to the EU.

    So this yellow coat movement has important implications outside France.

    Merkel just got a nine minutes ovation from her CDU congress after stepping down as party chairman, after 18 years.
    I was reminded of Hitler’s Neurenberg shows, and Goebbel’s ‘wollt ihr den totalen Krieg ?’.
    The collapse of the EU illusion could be any moment.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
    , @Wally
  220. @utu

    @Anon[257]

    Thanks for encouragments. I’ll try to give you my comments of tomorow events. I may need some times. For the last protest, I had to read a lot and watch many video before sorting out, from these diverging reports, the true details of what happened.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  221. @jilles dykstra

    Macron dragged from the Elysée, and lynched by an angry crowd….

    this would be the best

    the globalists would finally see that the people are serious

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  222. @Parisian Guy

    Cannot find is now, but read a comment at BFM that Macron has no idea what to do.
    He does not want new elections, this might bring new political forces.
    His ‘solution’ now seems to be ‘a broad national discussion’, but with whom ?

    Our Mark Rutte also seems at wits end:

    https://tpo.nl/2018/12/07/video-mark-rutte-dat-gele-hesje-past-ons-allemaal/

    Hij ziet hun acties als ‘de uiting van zorgen’ over migratie, klimaatverandering, de verzwakte positie van de middenklasse en over hoe het kabinet daarmee omgaat. Het kabinet moet met de actievoerders praten, zoals het steeds ‘het gesprek met de samenleving’ voert.

    Summary: The yellow coat fits all of us. He sees their worries about climate change, increasing middle class problems, and ‘how the cabinet handles this‘. The cabinet must talk with the leaders of the actions ‘as it talks all the time with the society’.

    I wonder from what psychiatric institution this man escaped.
    Migration, two thirds of the Dutch is of the opinion that we have more than enough migrants already, yet Rutte signs the Marrakech migration deal.
    Climate change, how many here believe the CO2 fairy tale I do not know, but daily we read articles explaining that Rutte’s ‘Netherlands without gas’ will freeze to death in winter.
    Middle class, increasing taxes and prices all the time, as in France under the pretext of climate and environment.
    Talking with action leaders as the cabinet talks with society, Rutte never talked with society for say the last ten years.
    He rules this country with one seat majority in parliament.
    As with Macron, and Merkel, leaders unable to see that they themselves are the problem, thus resignation is the beginning of the solution.
    The problem began in 2005, ignoring the referenda against the so called European constitution.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  223. utu says:
    @Anon

    Nuclear energy in France accounts for over 70% of electricity.

    And France sells a lot of electricity to UK so UK by some accounting trick can claim that their energy is clean. The Brits also buy wood chips from all over the world to burn in their power plants to claim that their energy is clean because wood is a “renewable” fuel. It would be true but only if for every tree of age N years that is chopped down there were already N-1 trees planted of ages 1, 2, …., N-1 years old.

    Lots of Americans have no clue how European countries and in particular France are technologically ahead in infrastructure comparing to America. The most amazing is that the French managed to accomplish it with being more laid back, with less stress, having more vacations and less obsessions about competing against everybody 24 hours a day. Americans have no clue what kind of anti-paradise they have built for themselves. The reason French rebel as they often did is that they do not want to follow the path to the neoliberal hell which many French presidents under the pressure of world neoliberal elites and particular this pupil of Rothschilds wanted them to take. The neoliberal world masters have been unhappy with France because the French have common sense and enough guts to protest whenever new policies are trying to make their lives worse.

  224. @Rabbinical Rube

    I do hope I made clear that I fear such a thing happening.
    Macron in exile in Patagonia, or Siberia, together with most of the EU clique, sufficient solution.
    Bloodshed never anywhere led to much good.
    On top of that, future historians would not have the opportunity to investigate how this disaster could go from bad to worse.
    Irving had the opportunity to have long talks with Milch, one of the Neurenberg survivors, examine Milch’s documents with him, led to a very interesting book.
    Schacht wrote several books, do not know if anyone ever interviewed him as Irving did with Milch.
    After WWII Japanese policians could be interviewed at length, led to most interesting insights.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  225. @jilles dykstra

    Only about some points:

    -In 2005 Sarkozy was Interior Ministry. Can’t remember the details, but he managed to have the people of suburbs so upset to the point they burned lot of cars in their neighborhoods.
    Then TV news (owned by friends of Sarkozy) showed this like it was civil wars. People who inhabited far away were afraid, you are right. Then Sarkozy managed the return of law. What a strong man! Isn’t it? That’s one of a few tricks he used to get elected President two years later.

    - La France Insoumise, is like Communist party, Socialist Party and almost every union. These are fakes. That’s why France insoumise gave up. They all, every time, give up.
    The joke has been running since 1983 “tournant de la rigueur” under socialist president Mitterand. But, as we say, every joke has an end. This is the reason to why people are going to violence, and there is no organisation. They don’t trust any organisation any more. When a few Yellow Vest wanted to be representative, they were rejected after one day.

    -How the yellow coat movement, leaderless, began, nobody now seems to know.
    Well, like every color revolution in this age, it started on Facebook, which is controlled by the CIA, especially since Zuckerberg get grilled by the Congress.

    -most police sympathises with the yellow coats.
    Let’s say, lot of police are sympathetic, because they too have a hard life, like you describe; But events of fraternization are exceptionnal.

    -Now citizens have been warned about the use of armored personnel carriers.
    These are defensive. They were used last year against big “antifa” protest at Notre Dame des Landes (an airport project opposed by ecologists). Well, nobody was killed, and it has been half-victory for every side.

    - if indeed armed personnel carriers are attacked with devices like this,
    It happened last year. Since they are armored, there is no damage. French technology.

    -If, say, a few dozen citizens have been mowed down
    Well, which kind of “citizens”, Widows and orphans? Or Antifas and Black Blocks?

    -Those defending a beleagured Elysée might well decide to save their lives
    Be assured that their lives is not so much in danger. In 19th century, citizens had the same kind of armament than police. Today police has a very high advantage.

    -USSR tanks in Lithuania After tanks had rolled over, forgot, 13 or 17 protesters, the USSR soldiers gave up.
    Those Tanks had to regain lost territory. But tomorow, they’ll have only to stay. No need to roll on anybody.

    - this now is far worse than the 1968 student protests.
    1968 was very important for the changes it made in France life. But, that is right, the violence was quite lower, only in “Quartier latin”

    -what the country wants is far from clear, often contradictory.
    I disagree. There is a long list of things about which 80% of protesters agree (including far left and far right)

    -Yes, more sovereignty is the solution. This will destroy European Union and € as a world power competing with USA and $. Therefore the colored revolution.

    -About Merkel. Last news said she had a sucessor according to its will. I guess Germany will also see kind of colored revolution if the french one fails.

    -So this yellow coat movement has important implications outside France.
    Yes, yes. We, the french people, decides for the future of Nederland. Huhuhu, Macron dreamed to be the new Napoleon Bonaparte…

    • Replies: @utu
    , @utu
  226. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    There is a long list of things about which 80% of protesters agree (including far left and far right.

    Could you list some items form the list?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  227. @jilles dykstra

    BFM is run by Jews for goyim watchers.

    I don’t want you take my word as face value, but I will give you my idea: the CIA agenda is different from the jewish agenda.
    So there is three player:
    -CIA wanting to destroy European Union and €
    -Jewish agenda pushing for both more immigration, and some kind of fake nationalism which they want to rule (Bannon in USA and Marion Marechal in France)
    -German Empire, aka European Union, and Macron.

    Thus Bfm will not give you any unbiased info, but only some cues about the jewish agenda. BFM is not sympathetic to the unwashed yellow vest, but it does not sustain Macron in the long game. If it say Macron has no idea for exit, it may be true, or not; I don’t trust BFM.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
  228. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    We, the french people, decides for the future of…Napoleon Bonaparte…

    One thing which is rarely mentioned form among the lasting accomplishments of Napoleon is that he brought the Jewish emancipation to every country he visited. He did no succeed in Russia because he lost but also because Russian Hasidic Jews were against it and supported Tsar. And, btw, Jews from the same sect (Lubavitchers) are now the court Jews of Putin.

  229. @utu

    Here is a list. My feeling is it’s a real one. There are many, many things I’ve heard before. They were election promises, but never fulfiled, of course.

    What’s new is several things about the way politic is done; for instance, we want referendum called by people, like in Switzerland.

    https://www.cnews.fr/france/2018-12-07/la-liste-des-revendications-des-gilets-jaunes-801586

    That’s french language, but I checked that google translation in english is effective.

  230. @Parisian Guy

    CIA wanting to destroy European Union and €

    what makes you think this?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Parisian Guy
  231. @jilles dykstra

    Macron in exile in Patagonia, or Siberia, together with most of the EU clique, sufficient solution.

    i doubt it

    until the govt and elites actually fear the people again they will keep bullying, keep forcing unwanted “migrants” on them

    that old adage about the Tree of Liberty needing to be watered now and again seems accurate

    • Replies: @Miro23
  232. Anonynous says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Off topic but Something for you Jilles, from an immigrant complainer. Free college, low cost housing and all she does is bitch bitch bitch about the Dutch.

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    “Cultural appropriation is when members of a dominant culture adopt parts of another culture from people that they’ve also systematically oppressed. The dominant culture can try the food and love the food without ever having to experience oppression because of their consumption.”

    —Rachel Kuo

    B
    efore I left my home in Mumbai to study in the Netherlands, I thought the idea of cultural appropriation of food was outright bogus. I was working as a food writer for a startup back then, and I often wrote about new restaurants serving foreign food across the city.

    I believed that food was a way to bring people across the world closer to one another. I believed that everyone was free to eat, cook, write about, and sell whatever food they wanted to. I still do.

    Things changed when I moved abroad. My food, which I love, became a source of embarrassment. The lunches I brought to work attracted unwanted attention.

    Once, I met a friend for coffee before an afternoon class, having just had lunch at home. “Why are the tips of your fingers yellow?” she asked, inspecting my digits.

    “It’s because I cooked with turmeric,” I told her.

    “Do you add turmeric to your food with all your fingers?” she probed in good humor.

    I felt uneasy at the thought of admitting that my fingers were yellow because I had just eaten dal and rice with them. When I did tell her, she responded that, as a child, her mom would give her a rap on the knuckles if she dared abandon her fork and knife. I felt a metaphoric rap on my knuckles, too.

    She probably noticed the crestfallen look on my face, and was quick to add an apologetic “I love curry, though,” before steering the discussion elsewhere.

    My tiny university town doesn’t have many late-night food options. The lone Turkish kebab spot is one of the only restaurants that caters to the post-party crowd. One evening, I found myself there with a Dutch friend who’d had one too many beers.

    “The only reason our government lets ‘these people’ stay is the food! So bloody good!” he exclaimed.

    He wrote to me the next day to apologize for the “rude comment.” He blamed the beer. I couldn’t help but wonder, though, if his words betrayed his true feelings about Turkish immigrants. Does he tolerate them only because he likes doner kebab?

    It reminded me of Donald Trump’s taco bowl tweet. I hope my friend never runs for political office.

    Beyond casual outings with friends, these incidents happen in professional settings as well.

    Earlier this year, I attended a symposium in Amsterdam. The speakers were brilliant, the event was well-curated, and the audience was participative. Everything was going well until lunch break. I hadn’t been sure if lunch was included, so I’d packed some of the previous evening’s pulav (rice cooked with spices and vegetables). The symposium did provide lunch, but rather than waste the pulav, I decided to eat it. I found a microwave, warmed my lunch, and joined other attendees in the makeshift lunchroom. I moved around with my lunchbox, networking, socializing.

    Halfway through, a senior staff member from the organizing team approached me and asked about my lunch. “It’s an old building. We don’t have the best ventilation. Smells tend to stay, you know.”

    It’s unclear to me why my eating habits hinge on someone else’s approval.

    I didn’t know what to say. To me, my pulav smelled delicious. Doesn’t all food smell?

    “Personally, I have no problems with strong-smelling foods,” she continued. “I live right next to an Indian restaurant, and we end up eating there often because it smells so nice. It’s just the time and place that’s a problem.”

    I ate the rest of my lunch in the washroom, thinking about how, next time, I’d have to plan on the right time and place to eat my food.

    These are only a handful of the many experiences I’ve had involving food and cultural appropriation. They make me feel like I need permission to be proud of my cuisine and eating habits—but this permission seems to be granted at the whim of others.

    As a result, I’ve become increasingly protective of Indian food while living abroad. I am quick to rebuke friends and acquaintances for eating roti and rice like a burrito. I get upset when they call anything and everything Indian “curry.” And I snap when someone tries to school me about turmeric latte or curry powder.

    Every time my European friends tell me they love Indian food, I wonder if they’d feel the same way if I ate with my fingers in their company, or if they caught a whiff of my masala-laden food anywhere other than at an Indian restaurant. It’s unclear to me why my eating habits hinge on someone else’s approval. I’m not asking anyone else to alter their food culture to suit me.

    I have begun trying to be more approachable and less angry, though—more prepared to explain and reason, less defensive and flustered. On most days, I seem to be making progress.

    But then I read about Gordon Ramsay telling foreigners how to cook their own food and it all goes downhill again.

  233. Miro23 says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    Until the government and elites are actually fearing the people again, they will keep bullying, keep forcing unwanted “migrants” on them.

    That old adage about the Tree of Liberty needing to be watered now and again seems accurate.

    True enough. Bullies understand fear since it’s their currency, and watering the Tree of Liberty generates a great deal of fear.

  234. Skeptikal says:
    @Anon

    No, you started a fight.
    You deliberately misinterpreted what I posted.
    I am not reading any more or your rantings about propane.

  235. utu says:
    @Rabbinical Rube

    It is petty obvious that the US was never happy with the unified Europe and Europe lead by Germany in particular. Many countries that tried to use euros instead dollars did not fare well.

    The biggest fear however is that German Europe could get in cahoots with Russia. Then it would become an empire that could really challenge American Empire as well as China. The US is just using the old playbook Great Britain used in dealing with Europe for centuries. Keep playing one against the other. With a unified Europe the playbook would not work.

    The anti Russian histeria is really directed against Germany. Trump’s speech in Poland and his talk about the so called Intermarium, i.e., a plan of unifying countries between Russia and Germany from Baltic See to Black See and Adriatic is about creating a buffer zone between Russia and Germany. Notice how Germany is always dragging its feet when it comes to condemning Russia and imposing sanctions against Russia.

    It is possible that the 2015 refugee invasion on Europe was directed against Germany. The marching columns of refugees had maps and addresses for Germany. And they had money. Germany did not want them but Merkel decided to defuse the situation because Orban’s Hungary was forcing her hand by creating tensions in Europe. It is possible that Orban was informed ahead of time about the invasion so he began to built the fence earlier. It is very likely that the invasion was engineered by Israel and Turkey. The UN funding for refugee camps in Turkey was cut. Orban is pretty close to Netanyahu. He can kick out Soros and shut down his university and nobody calls him an anti-Semite.

    Israel is interested in bringing lots of Muslims into Europe so the Europeans turn against Arab countries and will be more supportive of Isarel. Israel is supportive of the new right political parties in Europe because they unlike the old right are not anti-Semitic but rather Islamophobic and they consider Israel as a good example of how to deal with Muslims. More Muslims in Europe means more Islamophobia means more support for Israel.

    The game is played on many levels by so many actors that it is hard to figure it out but one thing for sure is that the game is being played and the actors have several goals and they keep creating temporary alliance when the objective coincide and they are ready to taka any opportunities when there are some openings. Like when Russia took an opportunity to move to Syria and somehow got Israel’s OK for it.

    The think tanks in all those countries keep following the same playbook outlined by geostrategist Mackinder which was for the British maritime empire which now is America and the land empire which is Germany and Russia.

    Even Clinto’s destruction of Yugoslavia was about it. There was brief window of opportunity when Italy and Yugoslavia tried to create the so called Hexagonale alliance but both Germany and the US did not liked it. Giving support to Muslim Bosnia and Kosovo by the US was clearly anti-European.

    During GW Bush the Empire got totally sidelined and absorbed by the Middle East following the the Yinon plan on behalf of Israel but when Obama came his foreign policy was outlined by Brzezinski who is into Mackinder geo-strategical games directed against Russia. Isarel was not too happy because it was no longer in the centre of attention during Obama. That’s why Israel gave Putin green light to move to Syria. Syria was collapsing and would not last for another month or two but Israel feared Turkey moving in and perhaps Netanyahu also wanted to rub Obama’s nose.

    These are my fictions I live by.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  236. @Rabbinical Rube

    If you were a nationalist, as i’m, you would have part of your attention focused on the relations between nations. You would have found that it is obvious that the US is acting more and more agressively with the European Union.

    The story is like that:
    1) after WW2, every west european sate was a vassal state to the US. That was ok for the european elites, for they needed protection from the Big Bloody Communist Monster.
    2) Us pushed at first for the birth of european Union (Jean monnet + CIA, google). They thought it would be more easy for their imperium
    3) But after the USSR fall, Europe (german empire) became an economic giant (first before USA),
    4) then, since lehman brothers, everybody knows the US$ is fake money. The only reason it is still alive, is that Us will destroy anyone pushing for an alternative money (Dominique Strauss Kahn affair in NYC, khadaffi)
    5) Wether $ will be replaced by €, or by SDR, € is needed. If € is destroyed, no alternative of $ is possible, and the $ will survive many, many years, until China can impose the yuan.
    6) the US empire cannot survive without going to war with China. It cannot win without help of Europe. Or pushing Europe at war with China, doing all the work until the US came near the end, looting the bounty of the winner (ww2 remake).
    7) Of course Europe does not want this play. Did you know that one week before the start of Yellow Vest, Macron publically called Europeans to have a unified military, independent from NATO?
    8) European union is a strong enough power to resist US will. Individual european countries are not.

    • Replies: @Rabbinical Rube
    , @ababush
    , @S
  237. @utu

    Unfortunately these fictions are not far away of reality.
    I agree on most you say.
    Only two points:

    -Why did you say merkel accepted refugee only to defuse? The overall consensus here in France is that german corporations really wanted fresh blood, for the native german demography is decreasing

    -You speak of a buffer zone between Baltic and Adriatic. For myself, I saw a larger zone where Us is meddling. From Baltic to Ukrain, then it continues from Turkey to Persic Gulf.
    My idea was same than yours: US want to cut in half the Eurasia, making impossible for Europe to connect to the other part of it.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @utu
  238. @Parisian Guy

    If you were a nationalist, as i’m, you would have part of your attention focused on the relations between nations. You would have found that it is obvious that the US is acting more and more agressively with the European Union.

    i am a nationalist and try to understand the various relations

    US acting aggressively toward EU imo began under 8-year negro admin. I’m not surprised if Merkel was initially forced to begin accepting this “migrant” trash at the behest of obozo administration. I also remember that Germany wanted their gold returned from the US around 2014 or so and was refused.

    also, in re the CIA it doesn’t seem to be looking out for the American, either its a rogue gangster organization seeking to make money thru moving large quantites of drugs etc or its run by and for the benefit of (((someone else)))

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  239. plantman says:

    Parisian Guy Where can we get reliable updates about what is going on in the streets tomorrow???

    Is there a website you would recommend?
    Anyone??

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  240. @plantman

    Last Saturday I followed a live streaming made by Ruptly for several hours. They will have two camera streaming. It starts at 07h GMT

    https://live.ruptly.tv/

    The Ruptly live was at the heart of the event, inside the Place de l’Etoile. Beware that it’s satanic Putin propaganda. If you get addicted, you may get a phone call of prosecutor Mueller, or black helicopters crashing in your garden.

    You may find other ones, but it will comes from mainstream. But, well, here are the two big liveinfo french TV:

    https://www.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/live-video/

    https://www.cnews.fr/le-direct

    But for instance I only discovered several days later a video which shows that police had left protesters free to burn anything in the Avenue Kléber. It was a strange movie: lot of people, quietly marching almost silently (probably they were very tired), every car burning, and no police anywhere.
    So anyway, I don’t hope to get the whole of the relevant info in real time.

    For a nationalist, anti-zionist, not dumbly anti-islamic point of view, you will find article and some video on https://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/ (this is the french home of Laurent Guyénot who has wroted a few paper for Unz review).
    From a leftist point of view, LinePress on youtube makes high quality video, with lot of action (grab some popcorn) but they don’t seem to stream in real time.

  241. @Rabbinical Rube

    I’ll disagree on the last point. CIA/Pentagon is not a rogue organization. It is the actual government. It plays a fake presidency for the entertainment of the human cattle. It may still run drug traffic; But I guess that now they got most of their black money from unknown more lawful business. The purpose of that black money is to escape any annoyance from members of Congress such as Diane Feinstein or Chuck Schumer, or press like NYTimes, or someone else.

    The alliance between CIA and Mossad had been severed in the aftermath of september eleven. The turning point was Robert Gates taking the position of Donald Rumsfels in 2006. Now, people like Mattis don’t care anymore about Israêl. They only do lip service for Israel. They are preparing some kind of war with China. That’s the “pivot to Pacific”
    By the way, Obama was a CIA asset IMHO. How would you explain its political ascension?

    • Agree: utu
  242. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Why did you say merkel accepted refugee only to defuse? The overall consensus here in France is that german corporations really wanted fresh blood, for the native german demography is decreasing.

    Killing many bird with one stone or using a multipurpose stone that it misses bird but still may kill a squirrel.

    The narratives come in three tiers: (1) True cause, (2) Justification for insiders and the curious and (3) Rationalizations for the masses. The tier (3) is for the masses like for example that 2003 Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction and bringing democracy to the Middle East. The tear (2) is for some insiders who need rational reasons and for the curious who do not believe media. In case of the war with Iraq the tier (2) narrative would be about oil and Saddam Hussain switching to euros from dollars. This narrative is for business people and higher military and for the curious who usually stop at this level. Various conspiracy sites let the curious get (2) but they also prevent them going to the tier (1). And the tier (1) is the true cause that may seem totally irrational, outrageous and abhorrent. In the case of the 2003 Iraq war it was to destroy Iraq and turn it into a non functioning state full of chaos where sectarian and political strife is promoted and can be easily manipulated for ever by supporting always the weaker side. This was a part of the Yinon Plan to destroy all semi-secular Arab states in Israel’s vicinity which were Iraq, Syria and Libya. Israel prefers chaos and weak entities rather than functioning state that has industry, educational system and capable military and well defined leadership that has a political doctrine. One mays say that the tier (1) is hidden and protected by layers of tiers (3) and (2) because it is a pure evil.

    In the 2nd term Obama administration felt more secure and decided to make a nuclear deal with Iran. Obviously Israel hated it that even there was a case of somebody calling for Mossad assassinating Obama. At the same time the process of disintegration of Syria was proceeding as planned despite of strong engagement of Iranians on and Hezbollah on the side of Assad. Obama’s was not willing to impose the no fly zone to finish off Assad in Gaddafi style. After Libya he wanted to leave office with clean hands. He was concerned with his legacy at that point. But that was more or less OK with Israel because with all the help the rebels and ISIS were getting from Saudi Arabia and some Gulf States things were going really bad for Assad. But Netanyahu could have thought that by putting pressure on Europe and Germany especially, Europe could step in and ask for the no-fly zone instead of opposing it. This no-fly zone in case of bombings by the West would have to target Syrian, Hezbollah and most importantly Iranian troops and this would definitively kill the Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran. The deal was signed on July 14, 2015. Orban approved building the fence in June about the same time when Trump made his first speech about the border and the wall and horrific things that happen on the border with Mexico but people soon were served images in media of Hungary’s border with Serbia. Orban was building the fence to defend Hungary but at the same time to create tension, to put pressure on bigger countries like Germany. Orban was Netanyahu’s man.

    The message sent to Germany was do something about Syria or refugees will keep coming. But Merkel did an aikido move and did not resist the push and instead she pulled and thus she defused the force against her. On the tier level (3) everybody learned how humanitarian Germans are and even most German hating Jews had to a admit that Germany just have earned a lot of brownie points. On the tier level (2) insiders like business people and conspiracy aficionados learned that it was all OK and planned because Germany needs workers, fresh blood, etc. While on the level (1) it was to prevent Israel from getting what it wanted, i.e., destroying the Obama-Iran deal. It was a favor done for Obama. But also for Putin who was angling at getting involved to pay back for Ukraine 2014 and wanted to obstruct the US by becoming for the first time in many many years proactive rather than reactive. Without the non-fly zone he could move in. We do not know what was the deal between Putin and Netanyahu that the latter agreed to let Russia into the neighborhood. I suspect that Putin used some threats but also made assurances to keep Turkey out and control Iranians. I would not be surprised that exasperated Netanyahu also wanted to rub it in to Obama whom he hated (and vice versa). For Netanyahu the refugee invasion multipurpose stone did not work on the primary target but it worked on the second level narrative: we will get more Islamophobia in Europe and make them even less united. And Turkey was happy. It got rid of some refugees and later it was able to get lots of money form Merkel to stop releasing more of them. And Israel name was never mentioned.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  243. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    You speak of a buffer zone between Baltic and Adriatic. For myself, I saw a larger zone where Us is meddling. From Baltic to Ukrain, then it continues from Turkey to Persic Gulf.

    The US is meddling anywhere it wants or can. But what I meant was European zone to separate Germany from Russia. And this is what the Intermarium Plan is. But yes, down the road Turkey might be a part of it though Turkey appears to be the most sovereign state among the whole bunch and it will not be easily manipulated. They will ask for a lot of money to do any favor.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  244. ababush says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “8) European union is a strong enough power to resist US will. Individual european countries are not.”

    You say you are a nationalist, and I would be interested in having you view regarding the following:

    To which extent do you think the EU is controlled by the zionist?
    To which extent do you think the euro kills the french economy
    What do you think would happen (EU, Germany) should Macron bow to french protesters demands?
    What do you think would happen (Russia, Germany, US, Israel) should France become independent again?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  245. tac says:
    @Avery

    In a sense you are right; Ron Unz can censor what he likes on this site…equally, however, I can move my speech–and those who follow me in great numbers elsewhere (btw…wherever I have gone there have been spikes and declines as a result) can stay or go (their choice really).

    I’d like to think that since I’ve been here….people have noticed this presence, at least to some degree….the rest I leave up to the readers.

  246. tac says:
    @Anon

    I’ll let Ron Unz make those decisions…but, having said that, some of us, me included, can move elsewhere if necessary. However, I would certainly like to express my gratitude to Ron Unz for his commitment to free speech (in the most part) on HIS SITE nonetheless.

    His decisions will have an impact undoubtedly to those in question by the policies he delegates…remember, it is a slippery slope; on a down-hill slope it is merely a matter of time before coming to a complete stop–the only difference is: will it be a violent stop resulting in machinations in its demise, by luck some entropy bringing it down to a complete stop, or some measure of a combination of these to some degree…

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  247. utu says:

    A decent blog from France in English on the event.

    https://kazolias.com/2018/11/22/yellow-vests-frances-deplorables-explained/#more-2828

    “If the right leader came along, the Yellow Vests could easily follow him to challenge the state, attack immigrants and favor a racist trend. They could well exact violence on ‘foreign looking’ people even without leadership. If Marine Le Pen really wants her National Rally program to see the light of day, she would step aside and let a charismatic leader with a clean slate take over. Nature hates a leadership vacuum. One must not underestimate the danger this popular uprising poses.”

    • Replies: @Krollchem
    , @Parisian Guy
  248. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    2) Us pushed at first for the birth of european Union (Jean monnet + CIA, google). They thought it would be more easy for their imperium

    Hi, Parisian Guy.

    Your posts are quite intriguing. Being inside France as you are you provide a lot of insight. Keep them coming.

    I thought I might mention, before the European Union was pushed, there was something called ‘the United States of Europe’ that was promoted.

    Apparently, the idea was that the United States with its ‘Manifest Destiny’ was to be the ‘first installment’, ie a continental super-state, that was to be a model for the other continents of the world.

    And then in time these continental super-states were to be joined together to form a world state, the United States of the World, which in turn was to be dominated by the US/UK.

    Someone might say, well Europe is a ‘Union’ and not the ‘United States of Europe’.

    It is sometimes forgotten, though, the US has two names, ie the ‘United States of [North] America’ and the ‘[North] American Union’.

    Whether it has a parliament or Congress I don’t think ultimately has mattered to those historically pushing the world state.

    The below was published in the US on May 13, 1848 as commentary regarding a London Times editorial extolling that post 1848 revolutionary Europe should create a continental super state modeled on the United States.

    [As a related aside, the British Foreign Secretary and future prime minister Lord Palmerston outlined on the lead story of the front page of The Spectator the events of the 1848 Revolution over a year before they took place.]

    ‘Suppose those European nations to have settled their governments, and then to have made a Federal Union of the whole, within which peace and free trade should be perpetual, as they are between our states. And then suppose the United States of America were invited to join with the United States of Europe, not in political connection, but on the basis of peace and free trade! We desire to prepare our readers for such a question…’

    And W T Stead, a close associate of Cecil Rhodes of British Empire fame, in 1899..

    Question: “What is England’s mission abroad?”
    Answer: “To maintain the European Concert – that germ of the United States of Europe – against isolated action…”

    And..

    “How long will it be, I wondered, as I wandered through the building of the Reichstag, before unified Europe has its Parliament House, and the Federation of Europe finds for itself a headquarters and a local habitation for a permanent representative assembly?”

    “What Germany has done, Europe may do.”

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/one_day_on_the_model_of_the_united_states_of_america

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/revolution_and_counter_revolution

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/a_dark_intrigue_the_revolutions_of_1848

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/21st-november-1846/17/publications-received

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  249. Krollchem says:
    @utu

    It appears that Macron could not be doing a better job in destroying France and ultimately the EU by aggressively imposing EU neo-liberalism.

    See also: “The Truth About the ‘Yellow Vest’ Protests”

    Ironically, The extreme globalist Jacques Attali was the man who groomed Macron and managed the rigged election to ensure his presidency.

    In this video, Jacques Attali describes the current Macron presidency including his eventual removal due to a lack of a plan. A revolution would follow and a young attractive and intelligent woman who would symbolically represent the revolutionary Marianne and lead to French people as the next President of France. He emphasizes that this woman would have been trained in the US.

    Marion Maréchal (who dropped the le Pen name), whose father was a Mossad agent, appears to be fitting this description very well. She was recently the keynote speaker at the US Republican CPAC meeting and set between Pence and Trump and may also be tied to Bannon’s role in Europe.

    From what I understand only the President of the French Senate can remove Macron and setup a provisional government, but he is a weak old man. Furthermore, no one in the French Senate or the National Assembly currently supports the removal of Macron. This freezing of the French political class will eventually result in the rovolution winning over the regime by a combination of strikes and protests.

    Extremely damaging images of High School students being taken prisoner by the military police have galvanized students and parents throughout France. The students are now protesting by kneeling with their hands behind their back an several cities in France. I wonder how the children of the National police now feel about their parents? I can imagine these children being beaten up if they show their face at school!

    https://www.rt.com/news/445872-france-minister-video-shocking/

    For many French the images of Macron’s CRS riot police remind them of Gestapo treatment of the Resistance during the occupation of France in WWII. As well as the Petain Vichy regime militias and then in 1941 the Groupe Mobile de Reserve (GMR) was created. On December 8, 1944 the GMR would become what we now know as the CRS.

    In addition to the VIGI police union strike the gilets jaunes are now protesting in front of the plant that produces gas canisters for the French National Police.

    https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/economie-social/sarthe-une-trentaine-de-gilets-jaunes-devant-l-usine-du-leader-europeen-des-produits-de-maintien-de-1544195457

    Other groups joining the Gilets Jaunes this weekend now include:
    (1) Royalists (Le Cercle Richelieu)

    (2) General Piquemal, the retired former commander of the prestigious Foreign Legion and lots of other former French military.

    https://francefrexit.com/index.php/2018/12/06/le-general-piquemal-sera-samedi-a-paris-pour-soutenir-les-gilets-jaunes/

    The Yellow Vest movement is also spreading fast throughout Europe via Anonymous:

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/OpGlobalAwakening?src=hash&lang=en

    Their rally cry is:
    “History is a lie
    Money is a hoax
    Debt is a fiction
    Media is manipulation
    Government is a corporation
    The system is a lie
    Wake UP!”

    Countries that have demonstrations in support of the French people now also include Greece, Serbia, Switzerland, Spain (in most large cities) and Berkino Faso in Africa.

    The Macron government is has been somewhat successful in buying off unions as the CGT and FO unions said their planned rolling strike that was scheduled to start from Sunday is not relevant anymore after the government decided to scrap a cut in overtime rates.”

    https://www.kpvi.com/news/national_news/the-latest-french-truckers-call-off-strike-action/article_60b78a37-e118-52a3-84f0-29d191feaadc.html

    The French Senate has just passed additional taxes on tourists and commercial space in Île-de-France to make up for some of the losses from protests.

    https://www.ouest-france.fr/ile-de-france/paris-75000/ile-de-france-une-nouvelle-taxe-creee-pour-financer-le-grand-paris-6116481

    Those who protest should be very careful as according to the Treaty of Lisbon any law enforcement officer can shoot if their own safety is at risk, or if the interests of the Republic is being threatened.

  250. I read the comments since 232, parisian guy.
    Just some remarks, my version of world history since say 1850 maybe could be expressed is a 350 or so page book.

    Sarko is accused of having deliberately let the 2005 insurrections escalate in order to be elected as president.
    As his first wife said about him after the divorce ‘he only loves himself’.
    You seem te be French, so you may know about France than me, on the other hand, sometimes foreigners see things better than those who live in the country.
    In my opinion French have a long tradition of wanting to live their lives as they want to.
    The first thing built when a neww house is being built is a fence with a security entrance.
    But indeed, socialist ideas do exist in France, the period between the two world wars was a long class battle.

    Yellow coats began, a Dutchman living in France, said yesterday on Dutch tv, in 2008, when the financial crisis began. Since then buying power, pouvoir d’achat, went back.
    When a government judges it necessary to use war equipment against its own citizens the end is near.
    Fraternisation, one can simply see it on French tv, it even happens in the Netherlands.

    Not contradictory, in popular movements they are always there, such as an old Dutch slogan ‘higher wages, lower prices’.
    Main agreement among protesters, my opinion, politicians not interested in the people.
    Yesterday in a discussion the French minister of social affairs was asked if she kneww what the French minimum wage was, she did not know. End of tv discussion.

    Jewish power in France, media also, is quite clear to me.
    Sarko, Hollande, jews, Macron, in any case he worked for a jewish bank.

    CIA wanting something, primary goal, I suppose, remain in power.

    Food smell problems, I happen to have known a Dutch couple living in Amsterdam, decent people.
    In the apartment below them a family from India came to live.
    The Dutch went away, food smells, and a mess on the stairs.
    This mess, Dutch owners of rental property now are beginning to act.

    THE USA does not exist, so there is no THE USA attitude to the EU, the EU that is not Europe.
    USA spying on Merkel’s mobile phone makes clear, I suppose, the USA trust in Merkel.
    During the Greek crisis a USA ambassador seems to have said ‘and damn the EU’.
    During a conference ons could see the relations, Obama walking in front with Merkel and Hollande, Van Rompuy and Barroso following at a discreet distance.
    The EU initiative came from Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, the Benelux, before that there was a coal and steel cooperation.
    The initiative grew, we had the EEC, then ideas about a unified Europe came.
    Wonder if anyone foresaw it would go toward Hitlers dream: Berlin as capital of the European continent, Germany ruling the world together with Britain.
    Once the EU got momentum, careers, insitutions, multinationals seeing the opportunities, banks loving the euro, this momentum began to strenghten itself.

    German industries desperately want capable employees, that the migrants will fill the vacant jobs, they have realised: not at all.
    What moves Merkel, I do not know. My suspicion is the anti German propaganda, having caused two world wars, having perpetrated the holocaust. Criminal genes, to be improved by mass immigration.

    What is going to happen today in fact is unimportant, unless Macron is dead tomorrow, politically or otherwise.
    Misrule since decades one does not correct in days, but in years.

    ME destabilisation and destruction. The plans originate in Israel, if at the time the object also was to destabilise the European cultures, in order to create the EU as a USA clone, I do not know. Soros may well have had, and has, such ideas.

    Jewish control of the EU. They try, and it exists, AIPAC has an office in Brussels. Soros has 226 followers in EP. But as always with jews, control is not complete.

    At present in France I see no charismatic leader.
    Mélenchon and Le Pen disagree on immigration, leaving the EU is something most French fear, Mélenchon simply misses the brains for leading France.
    Many will take offence at this, but when unemployment struck in Germany around 1930, Hitler had been politically active since 1923.
    No Hitler to be seen in France, or a Schacht.
    On top of that, even if France had a Schacht, it is chained to the euro.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  251. On Youtube, good live streaming from Ruptly

    It’s going wild on Champs Elysées, as usual.
    Local time being 2PM. I guess may be it will not go worse than during previous saturday.

    If you want to search for french info on the net, the keyword “GILETS JAUNES” is the french for “Yellow Vests

    • Replies: @utu
  252. @Krollchem

    The French Senate has just passed additional taxes on tourists and commercial space in Île-de-France to make up for some of the losses from protests.

    https://www.ouest-france.fr/ile-de-france/paris-75000/ile-de-france-une-nouvelle-taxe-creee-pour-financer-le-grand-paris-6116481

    I’m french. This taxes was planned years ago. It has no relation with the losses from protests. The link say that It’s purpose is a big new subway.

    This is Facebook bullshit. As usual in colored revolution.

  253. @Krollchem

    May I politely suggest that you stop peddling unverified info about France.
    You have litlle knowledge about it, therefore you are unable to know which info is relevant, which one is true/false, and what does they mean.

    You are lowering the signal/noise ratio.
    People here are looking for deep analysis of the world as it goes. Nobody has interest for the latest facebook bullshit.
    Please, stay out of my country’s problems.

    Ron Unz could ask Laurent Guyénot to know if you deserves to be banned. I know him enough to have no doubt about what its advice will be.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
  254. @S

    For sure, the dream of a unified Europe is a very old one among elites.

    I would say there is someting normal here. When you looks at long history of most other civilizations, you see that union is the normal thing. The Europe non-union since Roman Empire is not normal.

    My gess is one explanation may be related to the tripartition of Georges Dumezil.
    As a separated elites, priests always worked against union of the military powers. Same in India.

    Napoleon, Hitler, and now th European Union. These tentatives never happened to such an extent when everybody obeyed to the Church.

    • Replies: @S
  255. @jilles dykstra

    The plans originate in Israel, if at the time the object also was to destabilise the European cultures, in order to create the EU as a USA clone, I do not know.

    Yes, if the country is divided between several minority, like it is in USA, then it’s more easy for the Jewish minority to stay in power.

  256. @utu

    Yes, that report is true.

    But for one thing, the usual english mythology about Frenchs.
    It said: “public sector contracts will retire as early as 55″

    The deal was that they got lower salary for one part. On the other part, they got job for life and earlier retirement.

    But now, job for life are slowly disapearing, and retirement time are more and more like those of private sector workers. But they still get lower salaries.

    The only public servant who kept their “privilèges” are those who can really make ennoyance to the Power: police, army, taxes, some public transportation

  257. @ababush

    To which extent do you think the EU is controlled by the zionist?
    Not enough for their taste; For instance, EU is regularly helping Palestinian.
    I guess that’s why they recently tried to invest nationalist movment in many european countries; Presently, they are the dominating in the historic french nationalist party, Rassemblement National, aka Front national.

    To which extent do you think the euro kills the french economy
    My thought has no importance on this point. This is a well established fact. Every people versed in economic matters knows that. Of course, it’s worse for Italians than Frenchs.
    Unfortunately, you’ll easily find also:
    -people without knowledge of economic matters
    -people who do have, but have personnal interest to deny the fact TV pundits, and many big salaries.
    Those are the prevalent opinion. That’s why there are not many speak about the € in the Yellow Vest movment.

    What do you think would happen (EU, Germany) should Macron bow to french protesters demands?
    Which demands?
    Many are about more money and more public service (they are disapearing). It may goes.
    But, let’say, the right for people to call a referendum (this exists in Switzerland). The consequence will be huge.

    What do you think would happen (Russia, Germany, US, Israel) should France become independent again?
    Who will rule?
    The new french power could be pro Germany and/or pro Russia; It also may be pro Israël. Or, pro-US. Nobody knows. I believe CIA don’t know either. Macron is not a normal guy, and France is not a normal country.

  258. @utu

    And since it happened that Turkey will not obey US, Mattis decided to stay in North Syria…

    By the way, Yellow Vests have appeared in South of Irak…
    …next week: Yellow Penguin in Antarctica?

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
  259. on Rense radio it was said that the leader of Yellow Vest movement in the Netherlands was arrested before he could lead the demonstration there

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  260. @utu

    I agree.
    But one point: most of “refugee” did not came from Syria. And no-fly zone could be enforced without germany.

    You may be interested to learn that French Foreign Affair Ministry, jewish Laurent Fabius, participated in the JCPOA negociation. He was the strongest inside opponent to its achievment. Many month have been spent uselessly because of him. “Fortunately,” he felt some pressure after some medias spoke about obviously dubious, to say the less, business that was done by its son. Furthermore, he got some fame for having publicly praised how Al Quaeda was doing a good job in Syria.
    Masonic LeDrian was Defense Ministry at the time. Then Macron took him for the Foreign Affair. But it seems Macron rules himself that thing, and doesn’t care about LeDrian. One more in the list of the motives of the instigators.

    • Replies: @Wally
  261. Wally says:
    @jilles dykstra

    How are Germany’s Nuremberg rallies similar to this situation?

    Gobbels 1943 speech was in reaction to Allied aggression, war crimes, and terror bombing of civilian targets.
    It’s all here:
    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  262. Wally says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “You may be interested to learn that French Foreign Affair Ministry, jewish Laurent Fabius, participated in the JCPOA negociation. ”

    That’s the same vile Zionist who gave France laws against free speech pertaining to the impossible ‘holocaust’ narrative. It became the blueprint for suppression of free speech across Europe.
    Why? Because the laughable story does not stand up to rational scrutiny.

    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=fabius

  263. @Rabbinical Rube

    In numbers the Dutch protesters, next to nothing, saw nothing about Jan Dijkgraaf, hope I’ve got the name right, arrested.
    But, the site where he writes normally, TPO, inaccessible all day.

    http://tpo.nl/

    If this means anything, no idea

  264. Wally says:
    @Krollchem

    said:
    “For many French the images of Macron’s CRS riot police remind them of Gestapo treatment of the Resistance during the occupation of France in WWII.”

    “Resistance”, LOL.

    You really mean the illegal (under international law signed by France), communist, non-uniformed combatants who engaged in murder of civilians and all who opposed their communist agenda.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
    , @Parisian Guy
  265. The essence of neoliberalism: freedom for me (the elites) but not for thee (the people.)

  266. @Parisian Guy

    Perhaps we need a Yellow Vest movement here in the USA.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  267. Krollchem says:
    @Parisian Guy

    You must understand that France is not Paris and the people of the country side really do not like the Parisians. May I suggest that you spend some time outside of Paris as I have.

    The Macron government is stirring up a lot of old memories of the NAZI occupation of France from family members that lived through the war and in some cases went to NAZI POW camps for their opposition to German style globalism (e.g. sinking the French fleet to prevent its capture).

    The France I knew before Macron was born is so much different from the neoliberalism (western definition) now being forced on the French people.

    Please be careful about equating Jews with Zionists they are not the same. You seem to be very anti-Russian and anti-communist in your comments. Be careful as the USSR could be better described as bureaucratic socialism.

    Thanks for the correction on the subway taxes – strange how it was passed at this time.

  268. @Krollchem

    ” (e.g. sinking the French fleet to prevent its capture). ”
    What are you talking about ?
    The destruction by the British of the French fleet in WWII in a N African port ?
    Or are you confused about how the German fleet was sunk after WWI ?
    In both cases British perfidy (supposed), a (deliberate ?) translation error in the German French (Vichy) cease fire agreement, British quite well aware of how the German fleet was sinking, but doing nothing, to prevent that France got a part of the German fleet.
    But in general, why nazi in capitals ?
    Unaware of the fact that France declared war on Germany in Sept 1939, not the other way round ?
    Unaware that France, in complicity with Churchill, was preparing the occupation of neutral Norway and Sweden, April 1940 ?
    Not realising that this complicity made it crystal clear to Hitler that GB and France did not want peace ?
    Not realising that this made Hitler decide to beat France, in order to force GB to peace ?
    Giving Vichy, BTW, a generous deal.
    And what does what the Macron family did in WWII in France have to do with Macron being a complete idiot: Manu, on traverse.
    As to Paris and the French countryside, indeed French exist who are of the opinion that Paris is France.
    Not my opinion, I like France outside Paris.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
  269. @Krollchem

    That’s very interesting that you pretends french peoples are equating Macron and nazi.
    That’s true for very little part of French People, which are the Antifa. They have obsession about nazis as you do. Thus you are one of their sympathizer. Or you’re one of those cosmopolitan Black Block (what are you doing in France?).
    And, what about those French who wrote on the wall “Macron pute à Juif” (which translate: “Macron is the whore who is fucked by Jewish”). Well, since you are an antifa friend, I guess you did not met these people. You know what? They are many many more than your friend.

    thus I stand by my statement: you know nothing about France (but the Antifa); Your facebook copy/paste here is damaging the signal/noise ratio.

    Also, you deduces from my comments (which ones?) that I should be anti-russian or anti-communist. One more error after you thought, at first, that I was a globalist.
    That’s proof you understand nothing. Because you don’t care about reality. You are daydreaming about some kind of anti-globalist revolution, secretly hoping to be the next Che Guevara. So you are first looking for people you can identify as heretics. Do you know the spanish novel “Don Quixotte”?

    Don’t thank me for correcting your error about “Taxes to compensate from protest losses” There was quite more dumb things in your propaganda I had no time to fix. For instance nobody who knows about the Attali prediction of next President believes he spoke for Marion Marechal. Only Antifa can believes that.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
    , @jilles dykstra
  270. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Thanks for the response.

    One particular concern I have, in addition to the violation of all sorts of very important and basic social principles (such as the right to say ‘no’ to all this should some peoples desire), and this meme of ‘empire’ (powerful elements of Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on historically involved have called this future global ‘empire’ the ‘New Rome’, see link below), is these same A-S elites heavy involvement, amongst some others, in chattel slavery and its trade.

    From what I can tell, engaging in at best self-deception, rather than it being ‘abolished’, it was monetized via the 19th century introduction by the British Empire and the United States of the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system, the economic (and political to a large extent) basis of the multi-cultural society, a society that closely parallels the chattel slave holding society it evolved from.

    My strong suspicion here is that it was the slave dealers themselves who came up with and financed the ‘Abolition’ movement to make way for the mass immigration ‘cheap labor’ system as it was a much more profitable and efficient way to provide to their (formerlly would be chattel slave owning) customers unpaid for (ie stolen) labor.

    Late 18th and 19th century global ‘abolitionism’ cynically pushed by the British Empire made sure there was no chattel slave trade competition with the US/UK’s slave dealers new far more profitable wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration) trade.

    One can practically deduce that was the case in the United States as it was Massachusetts that was the very center of ‘abolitionism’, while it was also, I think not coincidentally, the slave dealers primary base of operations in British colonial North America.

    Also I think, not coincidentally, Massachusetts has historically been the base of what is termed ‘liberalism’ in the US, there appearing to be very deep, and corrupting ties between liberalism and slavery.

    If that is the case, and I think it is, that would indicate these elites described never in reality reformed from their slave dealing/slave owning ways, nor did they reform how they look at people, whether those people be their own (seeing them often at best as an after thought or even nuisance), or the other (as someone, ie an ‘immigrant’, that they ‘care’ about only to the extent they can systematically steal their labor by ‘paying’ them far below the prevailing real time local rate of labor).

    Are there signs that these elites did not reform in regards to slavery?

    Yes, plenty.

    Amongst others, one might recall in the movie Amistad the scene where when things got hot (ie the law) for the slave ship they chained together their slaves, tied rocks to them, and threw them overboard to drown. The exact parallel exists in the US for some time now (and now Europe unfortunately with multi-culturalism) when once every year or so a sealed trailer will be found abandoned on the side of the road with dozens of dead people (‘illegals’) inside.

    Just as with chattel slavery, you need broken and defeated people for the wage slaves. In the 19th century famine stricken/ British occupied Irish or Opium addicted/war crushed Chinese would do just fine for those purposes. Nowadays, in Europe and elsewhere, its people that have been crushed by Communism and or those brought to an unnaturally low state of being due in part to grinding poverty and misgovernance such as in South and Central America.

    It’s grossly immoral either way, whether its chattel, or wage slavery. And those societies that engage in it pay a terrible price, slavery not for nothing being called historically a ‘scourge upon mankind’.

    The work the vast majority of the ‘immigrants’ do is typically exactly the same unskilled manuel labor that the chattel slaves did. Even the term ‘migrant stock’ used by these elites for their wage slave ‘immigrants’ aka so called ‘cheap labor’, is telling.

    The term ‘stock’ is defined first and foremost as ‘merchandise’.

    I don’t particularly feel comfortable, or care, for having people that violate all sorts of basic social principles, have dreams of global empire (ie likely the Roman dictatorship of Imperial Rome with its rubber stamp senate, not the Republic), and would appear to be unreformed slavers, having power or authority over me, particularly in the form of some kind of global super-state ‘empire’.

    For some reason I don’t think I’m the only one. ;-)

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

    http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/data/estimates2/estimates15.shtml

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/stock

    http://slavenorth.com

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  271. Krollchem says:
    @Wally

    “You really mean the illegal (under international law signed by France), communist, non-uniformed combatants who engaged in murder of civilians and all who opposed their communist agenda.”

    You really have no idea about conditions under NAZI occupation in France and Belgium. I personally have known some family members of the French and Belgian resistance during WWII and they did not appear to be “Communists”. Do you really support the CRS created by the Vicky regime?

    Those who identify with a party either left (conservative) or right (liberal), such as yourself, do not understand the protests. Most protesters reject the politicians and consider them to be collaborators of the Macron regime. Perhaps the only politician who has not tried to co-op the protests is François Asselineau who generally speaks as an educator reminding the French people about their Constitution and the Rights of Man.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  272. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I have watched it on RT live feed and I was not impressed. In fact I am disappointed. Perhaps I do not understand their tactics but it looks like they do not have any. After four weeks these people should be organized by now and have some identifiable leaders. W/o leaders and some political framing of their cause the “movement” will dissipate.

    Compare it with the Solidarity protest in August 1980 in Poland to see how it was done and how quickly it transformed into a cohesive political protest with well organized structure.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
    , @ababush
  273. @Fidelios Automata

    Perhaps we need a Yellow Vest movement here in the USA.

    I’m sorry, Sir. You cannot get Yellow Vest in USA.
    Although they are made in USA, that item is only authorized for export.
    That’s the law for every color revolution coming from the CIA factory: only for export, no domestic use allowed.

    Some exception to the law may be granted for light counterfeit product such as Trumpism or Hopium.

    Sir, It’s a great honor for me to present you the next counterfeit product, coming soon from the CIA factory:
    “No more Democrats, no More Republicans. National Union of all Patriots in this perillous time”; That would sell a Tulsi Gabbard + Jon Huntsman ticket to the human cattle. Isn’t it?

    • Replies: @S
    , @Bill Jones
  274. @Wally

    Actually, the speech to which Dykstra refers was in response to the loss at Stalingrad and the subsequent full mobilization of the German economy.

  275. Krollchem says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I was not speaking about ‘the destruction by the British of the French fleet in WWII in a N African port ?” On a personal note, Maman personally knew some of the French navy sailors killed by the British navy in North Africa.

    The French blue water navy was sunk under the orders of the French flag officers at the port city of Toulon. These officers were captured and sent to NAZI POW camps for about a year:

    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/heroic-end-of-french-fleet-scuttled-77-ships-to-avoid-capture-by-nazi_germany.html

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  276. @Wally

    French resistance was communist for one half part, and De Gaulle partisan for the other part

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  277. Krollchem says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I consider the Soros Backed Black Bloc and antifa to be infiltrators to a mostly rural French movement, and city dweller outside of Paris, against the dictates of the EU commissioners and their sock puppet Macron. For more on the composition of the protesters see:

    I detest the anarchist actions and those of the French military police assigned to the Ministry of the Interior who are seen infiltrating the movement to discredit them. Then again, the police infiltrators may actually be part of the shadow Macron forces that were under the Benalla (aka Larsen Benadia) security chief who was also connected with the Moroccan security services. Interesting how Benalla became a colonel under Macron at the young age of about 36 and had a residence in the palace. The lawsuit against Benalla is still pending and was filed by the VIGI police union.

    You know that the Black Bloc called for their supporters to come out at night. If you were watching the video at the Champs Elysee during the day you will see that the protesters were surrounding the eternal flame to protect it from the Black Bloc. They were not defacing the Arc de Triomphe and the defacing that occurred at night bore the tags of the anarchist movement.

    There is also the red scarf movement which supports the Macron regime which should not be confused with the red arm bands of the out of uniform police behind the CRS lines (as far as I know).

    Sorry to disappoint your misconceptions about me.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  278. @Krollchem

    My hope is that Macron will go into history as the man who, blundering along, restored France to the glory of before Lisbon 2005, at the same time destroying the monsters EU and euro.
    Possibly even creating normal relations with Russia, end of mass migration, and end of CO2 madness.

    • Agree: Ace
  279. @Krollchem

    Thanks, I’d completely forgotten the Toulon affair.
    But reading the article I recognised the story.
    One comment:
    Britain and the USA successfully invaded French territory in Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria in North Africa in early November, territory which was nominally under the control of the Vichy Government, and Hitler immediately gave orders to begin the full occupation of Vichy France. ”
    This ‘succesfully invaded’, yes they did, but after French forces had tried to resist the American forces landing
    So if Vichy control was nominal can be debated.
    French N Africa did not exactly love USA and GB.
    If I remember correctly the French admiral or general, Darlan (?), who for a short time tried to prevent the invasion was murdered later, by whom, as far as I know, never became clear.
    But the whole WWII story about France, the occupied part, Vichy, N Africa, De Gaulle never was very clear.
    FDR hated De Gaulle; De Gaulle for a long time refused to be flown by a USA or British plane.
    In my opinion Pétain and Laval did more for the French people than De Gaulle.
    The killing of Laval, murder and/or revenge, in my opinion.
    One last thing, the Nazi sadistic bastards had orders not to shed blood, and they did not.
    Churchill killed 1500 French sailors in, hope I have the name right Mers el Kebir, they went down with their ships.

  280. @Parisian Guy

    Also here I could write a long comment, but too far from the yellow vests, though all kinds of nonsense and propaganda about history since say 1870 still causes a lot of misery today.
    Without the fairy tale of the evil Germans there would never have been a EU, maybe also never neoliberalism and globalisation.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  281. @Krollchem

    ” You really have no idea about conditions under NAZI occupation in France and Belgium. ”
    I have, cosy lives, as a USA officer of the 1944 Normandy invasion forces said.
    Same in the Netherlands.
    A few years ago WWII pictures of Paris were found in an attic and publicised.
    French public opinion was shocked, people chatting on terraces, German soldiers walking unarmed alone.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
  282. @Parisian Guy

    And, what about those French who wrote on the wall “Macron pute à Juif” (which translate: “Macron is the whore who is fucked by Jewish”)

    My translation would be ‘Macron, whore of the jews’.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  283. @S

    thanks for so much text. I’m not so versed on this part of history that I could comment much. Let’s say no idea was strange for my eyes,
    because I remember that the north european (including russian) elites were more or less the progeny of Vikings or kind of. In Europe their primitive capital accumulation was a mix of piracy, looting, slave hunting, slave trade and regular trade, depending of the opportunities.

    Well, if someone from this elite reforms himself, he will soon not be part of the elite group. That would change nothing, except for its previous share of the cake, which will be eaten by others elite members; Thus you must wait for all the members to reforms themselves at the same time.

    I mean, the elite members makes a group which is a whole civilization by itself, with its own culture, and its own ethics. Civilization evolves very slowly, and some features may be kept for thousand years.

    So you are probably right, saying these elites described never in reality reformed from their slave dealing/slave owning ways, nor did they reform how they look at people, . But we should have not expected otherwise.

    • Replies: @S
  284. plantman says:

    I imagine that Marine Le Pen benefits from the chaos in the streets..

    Am I right to assume that –as Macron ‘s star sinks, Le Pen’s star rises even higher??

    Will she be the next French President?

    Just askin’….

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  285. @Krollchem

    Please stop wasting bandwith to teach me about France. That’s useless, boring and pedantic.
    So, ok, you are not the kind of extreme-leftist who throws Molotov drinks at cops, or you say so. Very nice. Your mom will be proud. Anyway, you have the same ideology. Your presence here is quite strange; What are you looking for?
    It’not enough orgasmic to hate NAZI, and you believes you could learn here how to hate JEW?
    Have you ever tried freudian psychoanalysis? It may be the answer to your need.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
  286. Krollchem says:
    @jilles dykstra

    You are speaking of France under the Vichy regime of Petain who collaborated with the NAZI occupiers.

    My father-in-law was part of the Belgium resistance and would take my wife when she was young to quarries where villagers had been taken and shot by the Gestapo for assisting the resistance. Likewise, my wife’s maternal grandfather told the Gestapo at his door that they were not invited to his country and get out. Because he was a highly decorated Flemish officer (every Belgian medal from both world wars) they simply saluted and never tried again to billet troops in his house. Walloon members of the Belgian army were sent to POWs camps in Silesia portion of Germany and Poland for the duration of the war unless they joined the German army.

    After the war the resistance disposed of many of those Belgians who collaborated with the NAZIs as was also the case in France.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @jilles dykstra
  287. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Sir, It’s a great honor for me to present you the next counterfeit product, coming soon from the CIA factory:
    No more Democrats, no More Republicans. National Union of all Patriots in this perillous time”; That would sell a Tulsi Gabbard + Jon Huntsman ticket to the human cattle. Isn’t it?

    This is something I’ve been wanting to interject in this thread.

    The ‘yellow vest movement’, if it is not legitimate and or manipulated, could be something intended now mostly for France, or perhaps to grow outside of France in time as well.

    If you’re getting at what I think you are, yes, this manufactured dialectic manifesting as Capitalist/Communist, Right/Left, Republican/Dem, etc, since 1776 and 1789, has got to be wrapped up at some point, by the powers that be, in their synthesis.

    As mentioned, if not real the ‘yellow vests’ could be a part of this process of creating an artificial French and in time global unity

    All will then be made ‘one’ (‘Stop the Hate!’TM) and to the extent people go along they will be cattle (slaves!?) and have much peace (of the grave!?).

    Next step, after a possible WWIII mixed in with the synthesis process, and the manufactured left/right paradigm has been wholly swept out of the way, introduce to the world some sort of messiah/political leader whom the multi-national corporations and those running them believe they can control.

    Have this person present himself as the second coming of Christ to Christians, to Jews their Messiah, to Moslems their Mhadi figure, etc.

    As just about everything leading up to this has been lies, there’s no reason to think those claims wouldn’t be lies either.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  288. @utu

    Those who have some knowledge of organization and politics knew nothing could happen, but people dead for nothing.
    So they stay on the side for the moment. Following days will give cues about what happened out of the public space (let’s say: may be a truce is discussed now between Macron and the instigators).
    ————————
    Yes the purpose is unclear; Since violence was forecasted, i guess there was an increased part of protestors which cames only to play war with cops. As long as cops are willing to play the game, everybody is happy.

    You’ll see that they very often try to build “barricades” (barrier across the street). This has no use. May be it’s some kind of primitive territorial instinct. May be they are replaying the scenery of the many Paris insurrections (until 1968). Probably both.
    Anyway the cause of these barricades had to be found in some neural inconscious process in the brain of protestors. There is no rational reason for “barricades”

    I undestand that Solidarnosc had the project to establish an organized government. They had to be prepared.
    Today, they despise any government, they reject any organizer.
    This is anarchist democracy; As Tocqueville said: democracy are the slowest process to find out the effective answer to any problem.

    Furthermore, the collective brain of this democracy is running in facebook servers…..

  289. @jilles dykstra

    Without the fairy tale of the evil Germans there would never have been a EU,

    Here in France, the fairy tale was about he evil nations; The meme was “nation = war” and “EU = peace”

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  290. utu says:
    @Krollchem

    The mythology of resistance and its significance is just a mythology.

  291. Krollchem says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “It’not enough orgasmic to hate NAZI, and you believes you could learn here how to hate JEW?”

    Perhaps you do not know the difference between Jews and the Zionists such as Meyer Habib an Israeli French Zionist Depute a l’ Assemblee nationale.

    Unlike you, I have tried to educate by explaining that the protests are not just about carbon taxes and Brigitte’s $40 Euro/month beauty treatments. Those who have kept up have noted the protests against Macron have been going on all year by almost every sector of the French working class.

    You appear to be just a thinly disguised globalist of the EU kind which is actually subservant to NATO. Your comments are meant to divert attention from the real day-to-day issues facing the French people.

    I must be getting under your skin – are you a Macron supporter? I do not expect to teach you anything, let the other decide for themselves.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
    , @anon
  292. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    The costume was at hand and didn’t have to be provided by Soros for some more or less manufactured “color revolution”.

    Diana, isn’t the revolt a kind a ”preparation” for Iran by groups like the MEK?

    • Replies: @Hail
  293. @Krollchem

    I clearly supports Macron staying in Elysée for sometimes, instead of its replacment by a CIA puppet like General de Villiers. For the rest of your many errors, there is no need to fix them. Experience has shown you cannot understand.

    Just one point to show how fake you are:
    “Unlike you, I have tried to educate by explaining that the protests are not just about carbon taxes and Brigitte’s $40 Euro/month beauty treatments.”
    That info was explained in the article. Thus you are not the teacher you believes. You are the dunce of the classroom. This is the real reason why your ideas are so different. You are free to believe this difference is the proof of your superior knowledge. Daydreaming is a legal drug.

    • Replies: @Krollchem
  294. peterAUS says:

    .

    …I clearly supports Macron staying in Elysée for sometimes….

    Hahahahahahaha…….oh my….hilarious.

    Well, combined with calls for censorship here perhaps

    …You appear to be just a thinly disguised globalist of the EU kind which is actually subservant to NATO. Your comments are meant to divert attention from the real day-to-day issues facing the French people.

    has some merit.

    Anyway, as you’ve said:

    …Those who have some knowledge of organization and politics knew nothing could happen, but people dead for nothing.
    So they stay on the side for the moment….

    ……the purpose is unclear..

    .

    …Anyway the cause of these barricades had to be found in some neural inconscious process in the brain of protestors. There is no rational reason for “barricades”…

    and last, but not least

    …This is anarchist democracy…

    I think all this thing will simply….whatever.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  295. @S

    this manufactured dialectic manifesting as Capitalist/Communist, Right/Left, Republican/Dem, etc, since 1776 and 1789, has got to be wrapped up at some point, by the powers that be, in their synthesis.

    Sure.
    Did you know that was the basic idea of the Macron campaign? “I’m not a leftist, I’m not right sided, I’m neither of them, and at the same time, I’m both of them” That’s how he presented himself for presidential election. How such a bullshit could be sucessful?
    People were tired of the Left/Right play. First they see the result is the same, whichever got elected. Second, they believes that the partisanship is an important cause of dishonesty in debate (remember Kavanaugh) and inaction. Every project, bad or good it may be, is opposed by the other side.

    Thus many people believed it was better to vote for competency and willingness to act. As if France was a corporation recruiting the best CEO available. They just wanted no more political baron. The irony is they got Macron, which was the pupett of the french robber barons.

    The second irony is that Yellow Vest comes from the same state of mind than the one which made President Macron: no more political baron. No more political party.
    Then, they add: no more government by the billionnaires, for the billionnaires. And the conclusion is: government by the people, for the people.

    There is a danger for the long term: Yellow Vests see the political cast as parasitic. But they may be unknowingly pushing the billionaires agenda, since the billionaires too see the political cast as parasitic. In the billionnaires paradise, a few well paid managers are good enough to run the government.

    This war of Money Power on the political cast began 20 years ago in France. Before that time, the political cast got campaign financing by rackeetering those corporation which wanted to get contract from the state or the cities. That was illegal. But it was democratic: corporation had no choice to refuse giving money. They were powerless on the political cast.
    Of course, some moral crusade (paid by who?) called the scandal, some people got punishment (not many, since the political cast voted amnesty for itself). A new law legalized gift from corporations to candidate, and it protected corporation from rackeetering. Furthermore political candidate who stole sate money for campaign (without enriching himself) get severly punished (that’s how Alain Juppé did not become the Gaullist successor of President Jacques Chirac)
    Problem is: This moral crusade reversed the balance of power between corporation and political candidate. The candidates whose program pleased the want of Money Power got most of financing. Macron did not have a real political party, then he could not draft any money from the party coffer or activist purse. But he did not care, since he had the money from the french corporations.

    French people don’t understand this loss of democracy. They just remember the political cast used black money then voted amnesty for himself…

    • Replies: @S
  296. @jilles dykstra

    I did not select this simple translation, since I thought it could also have the meaning “Jewish Prostitute”, or “Prostitute working in a jewish brothel”

  297. Krollchem says:
    @Parisian Guy

    C’est a cause de personnes comme vous que les Gilets Jaunes sont en colere!

  298. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    So you are probably right, saying these elites described never in reality reformed from their slave dealing/slave owning ways, nor did they reform how they look at people, . But we should have not expected otherwise.

    Powerful elements of the largely Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on, north and south in the US, by 1860 had become corrupted after two hundred plus years of chattel slavery and its trade, either as chattel slave dealers (the north) or chattel slave consumers, i.e. owners, in the south.

    They were terribly harming their own people, north and south, by this slavery, the vast majority who neither owned chattel slaves or sold them, just as today most don’t employ so called ‘cheap laborers’, don’t desire the ‘immigrants, and do their own work.

    From what I can tell the US Civil War was caused in large part because the chattel slave owners of the south, where chattel slavery had become entrenched, wanted guarantees of compensation for giving up their three million or so chattel slaves.

    For whatever reason these guarantees of compensation were not made by the US government.

    Meanwhile, the former would be chattel slave dealers of the US north and in London, as part of a larger global ‘abolition’ of chattel slavery scheme the British Empire was pushing, wanted the US southerners to give up the chattel slave system, and adopt wage slavery acquired by the cheap labor/mass immigration system, the same system the US north and British Empire had adopted.

    The very expensive and inefficient southern chattel slaves also picked the cotton that fed the textile (cloth) factories of the north in New England, and possibly England as well, adding to the costs of the finished cloth and this played a part too in why the north wanted the south to adopt the wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’) system.

    The compensation not coming, and the north pushing ‘abolition’, the southern chattel slave states seceded from the wage slavery ‘cheap labor’ north.

    The result was the US Civil War, a war over chattel slavery and its monetization wage slavery acquired by the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system.

    This is a truth that dare not be spoken in the US for its utterly devastating implications, in particular for the ideology of multi-culturalism. The ‘immigrant’ is the slave in this system.

    It also turns upside down the US Civil War. Rather than it being fought by the north to abolish slavery, the north fought the war to greatly expand slavery with the introduction of the wage slavery ‘cheap labor’ system to the south.

    The guns were turned on the wrong people in the Civil War. They should of been turned on the chattel slave owners of the south, and being of the same ilk, on the ‘cheap labor’ ‘immigrant’ importers of the north.

    Most would have readily surrendered, and when forced to give up their heroine drug like addiction to slavery ‘cold turkey’, compensation or not, would have felt …relieved.

    You’re right about the Russians and the Vikings..ie the ‘Rus’.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  299. Ace says:
    @utu

    No one can handle complexity. Ergo, markets with price signals.

  300. tac says:

    I will try a post a few videos here and will not take up any more space afterwards (if the moderator allows these to be posted):

    A look back at Act IV of the Yellow vests protests:

    French Police punch protesters in the face:

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  301. Ace says:
    @animalogic

    Unlimited funds are available as we know. Heartless neo-liberals withhold those funds from health care. That is why public health systems flounder.

  302. Ace says:
    @WorkingClass

    I gave never heard the word “Utopia” used in conjunction with “free markets.” Personal investment and the most efficient resource allocation from prices make for general prosperity with mininal interference by government morons. Great system made better by courts and laws against fraud, theft, and monopoly.

    Searching for Utopia is for children and dreamers.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  303. @plantman

    According to poll data, Macron’star has fallen to the level of LePen’s star. That does not give Le Pen strong future.
    This afternoon on Ruptly (Putin propaganda, forbiden by prosecutor Mueller) live stream of the Yellow Vests protest, I heard two times motto of the egaliteetreconciliation.fr movment, which is social-nationalist and anti-zionist. I heard not one from the LePen’s party.

    Of course it’s party will do good in the next european election. But french President election is another matter.

    Now, her party is becoming national-zionist. As the nazi old tag is still sticking, she will be rejected by both anti-nazi and anti-zionist. She will do with anti-muslim.

    Furthermore she does’not show exceptionnal smartness. We should remember she inherited from her father her position as party’s head.

    I won’t say that President Le Pen cannot happen. But I bet it will not.

    Beware to the media. They love to hype the idea of President LePen; For instance, against Macron, many media seriously say it was possible. It never was.

    One thing is sure, when the father ruled, his purpose was to never get elected.
    First he knew it’s too heavy a charge for him.
    Second, this party was used by the power that be, so that french working class destroyed by immigration will vote for it. Then, since it was a nazi party (thanks to media propaganda) it never got many representatives, and french workers had no representation.
    At the same time, communist party was taken over by “united workers of all countries” ideology that was pro-immigration. Furthermore, when it was in the government it never really opposed the capitalist agenda. So he gave up most of its french voters to LePen party.
    So successful was the trick that those workers who are Yellow Vest today were without effective representation since 1985.
    Le Pen father was complicit to that trick. He regularly pushed some rant either overtly racist, either doubting the gaz chamber, either speaking favorably of the nazi. It was plain sabotage. The result has been that the only nationalist party stayed since 1985 between 5 to 20%. And, since it was nazi, it could not get into alliance with any other party.

    Before being President, Hollande and Chirac were representatives for areas far from Paris. They knew a little about the people. Sarkozy knew only upperscale suburbs, but he was very smart on the topic of election, and he had 30 years to learn about the people needs.
    Macron never got elected in any position. Even for President, he did not really get elected. He played the election process to his advantage to the point he never needed to know about what the people want. He knows as much about french people than about Papua New Guinea inhabitants. So he crossed the limit beyond which people want revolution.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  304. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I’m sorry to hear about the situation in France.

    No, I’d not heard that about Macron. That is very interesting. All together it makes sense.

    The situation is not great in the US, probably needless to say.

    Trump, as presented by the corporate mass media, is sort of a proxy ‘Hitler’/representative of all white people. I do not know if his ego blinds him to how he is being used (my suspicion), or he is being blackmailed (possibly), or he is being paid outright, or maybe part of it willingly(could be). But yes, I do think Trump is an artificial creation in some manner, perhaps simply ‘allowed’ to be president for as long as neccessary, and is no longer needed.

    He’s been set up to fail, which is my guess what they have intended for him. A symbolic fall of the Euros in the US.

    Getting back to the slavery aspect, the ‘minorities’ and ‘immigrants’, etc, don’t understand they’re seen as slaves by the power elites. The Anglo-Saxon, and other Euros of the general public, aren’t in a whole lot better position.

    One thing that amazes me is how anybody can still believe in the entire ‘left’/’right’ meme. In the United Stated most still do because the lie is too big.

    Who could believe such a lie that both ‘sides’ are controlled and have been from the beginning?

    But then, Anglo-Saxon Founding Fathers of the Capitalist US, were also Founding Fathers of the nascent Communist French Revolution. Thomas Jefferson was ‘the consultant’ to Lafayette and one other Frenchman in the writing of the Declarations of the Rights of Man, Thomas Paine was heavily involved in the French Revolution too, as was apparently Benjamin Franklin.

    Lafayette fought in the Capitalist US Revolution, and then was majorly involved in the French Revolution. Lafayette called George Washington ‘father’, named a son George Washington, and arranged that his Paris grave be covered with soil from the American Revolution’s battlefield of Bunker Hill.

    Powerful elements of the elites and hangers on of the Jewish people, amongst others, provided financing for 1776, probably same for 1789.

    London banks appeared to be in the background of both 1776 and 1789 in the providing of financing.

    Most don’t know those things in the US. The media does not emphasise it.

    Adding a twist to it, I think the 1776 Revolution was ultimately a planned geo-political false split between the US and UK for strategic purposes. Since 1900 the US and UK have been back together for all practical purposes with the ‘special relationship’.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  305. @tac

    This is flahball. Such accidents happens sometimes. There had been one in previous protest of Yellow Vests.
    There had been one or two in the last ten years.
    Considering also that these are the most violent protests never seen in paris since 1934, and the cops are exhausted. I’ll say we could have expected more casualties.
    There is no info about what happened before. Was it made deliberatly on an unarmed and inoffensive protestor? We don’t know. Anyway, some cops are bastards. So what?

    How will this video helps to understand the Yellow Vests protests in France?

    • Replies: @tac
  306. @Krollchem

    Why are you speaking belgian language?

  307. @S

    The very expensive and inefficient southern chattel slaves also picked the cotton that fed the textile (cloth) factories of the north in New England, and possibly England as well, adding to the costs of the finished cloth and this played a part too in why the north wanted the south to adopt the wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’) system.

    I disagree on that picture. I cannot say what could be wrong about what you say of chattel and slave system. I don’t know enough.
    But on the economic part:
    North factories were not competitive with British factories; Us industry at the time was small comparing to the british one, and not as much advanced; Furthermore the general level of wage in North was high comparing to the level in europe. The reason was chronic labor shortage, because there was so much free land, thus as soon as they could, people left the big cities were they immigrated at first, to becomes a free peasant. That’s why there was this continuing immigration. But there would have not been such immigration if the conditions in the USA were worse for proletarians than in Europe.

    On the other side, British factories, because of lower wages, would pay a better price for cotton than US factories. So the South wanted to export cotton to UK, and furthermore, they preferred to import cheaper manufactured items from UK.
    Obviously the North industrialists called for protecting tariffs. This economic dispute started well before the Civil War. Depending to which side ruled the federal government, tariffs went up and down with strong consequences on the economy of the North. An harbinger of the Civil War, about 20 years before, was that the Federal government ruled by North, went upto send a military boat to a South harbor to enforce the tarif that South wanted to escape.

    In short: North wanted tarifs, South et UK wanted free trade. This is why UK, officialy neutral, helped South during Civil War. This fact doesn’t add up with the abolitionnist discourse of the UK.

    So, that’s my explanation of the true cause of Civil War. It’s economics. On the other side I’m not able to estimate the real weight that the slavery question had into it.

    After Civil War, US went full protectionism for 80 years, upto its victory in WW2. Then, as their factories were more competitive than anybody’s else, they started to preach the gospel of free trade to other nations….

    • Replies: @S
  308. Hail says: • Website
    @Parisian Guy

    The more you look at “Yellow Vest”, the more you see a color revolution (made in Paris, designed in Langley)

    I would love to hear this thought expanded on.

    __________________

    Edit, from another post by Parisian Guy above:

    There is a danger for the long term: Yellow Vests see the political cast as parasitic. But they may be unknowingly pushing the billionaires agenda, since the billionaires too see the political cast as parasitic. In the billionnaires paradise, a few well paid managers are good enough to run the government.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  309. @Krollchem

    I wonder if anyone on the USA side of the Atlantic understands what causes the fury.
    In my usual immodest opinion it all really began in 2005, ignoring the anti EU referenda.
    Of course, there were earlier signs, the introduction of the euro, of which already in 1997 a German economist wrote that the consequences for economic and social security policies would be far greater than at the time anyone expected.
    USA politicians speak with contempt about the ‘European nanny states’.

    We, in any case I, see with contempt the USA 19th century robber baron society, that exists to this day, in my opinion.
    We, in any case NW Europe, like our nanny states.

    Yet, around 1970, the anti government trend began, commercial enterprises are always more efficient than what a government does.
    Why this trend began, explanations differ.
    Anyhow, it was the beginning of neoliberalism, globalisation, etc; thus taking power away from politicians, giving it to multinationals, etc.
    Few people see this, but the apparent contradiction of economic growth with many citizens having more and more difficulty in making ends meet, can easily be explained.
    The share of labour in national incomes is becoming steadily lower, thus the share of capital increases, in simple words: the rich richer, the poor poorer.

    In the same period, since 1970, the beginning of EU and euro, we were happy with the EEC, any nation its own currency, thus (few understood this at the time), own economic and social security policies.
    Around 1995 the euro plans were there, not anyone happy (we were not even consulted), already in 1997 70 Dutch economists warned that the euro would become a disaster, exchange rate have funcions one cannot abolish witthout paying a price.
    These 70 economists all experienced the consequences of being dissident.

    2001 the euro, 2005 the so called EU constititution, in just three countries referenda, alle negative, all ignored, Treaty of Lisbon.
    And so the destruction of the nation states began, 12-12-2012, great that this date was chosen, the Netherlands no longer deciding on its own budget.
    Democracy in the EU member states, a farce.
    Decisions are taken in Brussels, ‘governments’ just have to execute them.

    France is the country in Europe with a long history of social strife, labour unions were important.
    Power of these unions, slowly taken away.
    A French ruling class with the arrogance of saying, Ségolène Royal, ex wife of Hollande, ‘we will never ask the French people if they want an EU’.
    Yet, in the first round of the last presidential elections, four out of ten votes to anti EU candidates, Mélenchon and Marine le Pen.

    And now we have this former Rothschild banker, who had the illusion of ‘modernizing’, that is introducing even more neoliberalism, France, leading the EU with Merkel, creating a European army, and saving the climate.
    This crisis thus, in my opinion, goes much deeper than 23% increase in energy prices, it is the nation state against neoliberalism, globalisation, EU, migration, UN (Marrakech), etc.
    It is not just France that rebels, even Belgium has now in fact fallen apart, over migration.

    Political commentators wonder how the suicide of the middle class political parties is possible.
    Rutte governs with a 76 seat majority in our 150 seat parliament, since a long time, this is called democracy.
    In March 2019 there are elections, now predictions are just predictions, but the prediction now is that in March Rutte will have 50 seats.

    How w’re going to get out of this mess, that took since, say 1995, to create, I’ve no idea.
    In any EU member state the ruling politicians are not trusted any more.
    I even wonder if the UN will survive this crisis.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
    , @Parisian Guy
  310. @Parisian Guy

    Indeed, when the word nation is used some see the foundations being laid for gas chambers

  311. @Krollchem

    ” where villagers had been taken and shot by the Gestapo for assisting the resistance.”
    You do not seem to know that under international law, that existed in any case until 1948, occupiers were obliged to take care of the occupied people; the occupied people had to accept the rule of the occupiers.
    Resistance thus was illegal, even British military handbooks until 1948 stated that in case of resistance innocent citizens could be executed to prevent further rebellion.
    Resistance in W European countries, most of it futile.
    Except for obliging Germany to have occupation troops in the occupied countries.
    This is what made German reactions to resistance so harsh.

  312. @Ace

    ” make for general prosperity with mininal interference by government morons. ”
    For another view I recommend
    Tony Judt, ‘Ill Fares the Land’, London 2010

  313. Da Wei says:
    @utu

    utu, you say:

    “Free market is a fetish of simple minds that can’t handle complexity.”

    Good grief! Such an observation must have been incubated in a university, where no one admits to simplicity. utu, you are too complex for me.

    BTW, how many businesses have you created and maintained? How many times has failure in a real working business knocked you on your ass, so you had to get up and start over? Free market works, if people work; welfare works if people don’t. utu, check out the world.

    Please take note of Deng Xiaopeng and the rise of the special economic zones in China. Free market capitalism — not crony merchantilism, but capitalism — is creative and liberating. I can tell you that a free economy where regular guys can get a chance will keep people fit and ready for a try. I’ve lived in China for a dozen years now and that’s my take on the place. Size that up against the golf carted fat asses in a Wal-Mart, or your next comfortably smug Complexity Seminar.

    utu, I am seldom this curt, but such arrogant naivete as your’s gets to me. Are you channeling Peter Lore, holding a cigarette between thumb and index finger and straining to resemble Sartre?

  314. @S

    ” Since 1900 the US and UK have been back together for all practical purposes with the ‘special relationship’. ”

    Practical for the USA:
    John Charmley,’Churchill’s Grand Alliance, A provocative reassessment of the “Special relationship” between England and the U.S. from 1940 to 1957’, 1995, London

  315. @Parisian Guy

    ” Le Pen father was complicit to that trick. He regularly pushed some rant either overtly racist, either doubting the gaz chamber, either speaking favorably of the nazi. It was plain sabotage. ”

    Twice not true.
    About the gas chambers ‘just a footnote in history’.
    Favorably of Hitler Germany ‘German occupation was relatively mild’.

    As to sabotage, not, in my opinion.
    Le Pen is a very erudite man, who loves attention.
    As he’s not a puppet of French jewry they hate him, as the book I quote makes clear.
    They hate him because he’s against immigration, as a French intellectual he loves his country.

    Le Pen loves to retaliate with some provocative statement, he then is in the news, later again, a trial, and another time when he’s fined.
    The ‘relatively mild’ statement, a fine of € 30.000.
    France in this respect is completely crazy, the occupation was mild, WWII pictures make this clear, a USA officer with the Normandy invasion troops spoke about ‘their (people in Normandy) cosy lives under German occupation’.
    But, as jews were deported, taboo on saying this.

    Even the deportations were mild, that is meaning that jews were treated decently, is as far as deportation can be seen as decent.
    Pierre-André Taguieff, Michèle Tribalat, ‘Face au Front national, Arguments pour une contre-offensive’, Paris, 1998
    André Schwartz-Bart, ‘Le Dernier des Justes’, 1959, 1980 Paris
    Francine Kaufmann, ‘Pour Relire “Le Dernier des Justes”‘, 1987 Paris

    The Dernier des Justes is a somewhat autobiographic novel written by a jew from originally Poland who was in France in WWII; he describes the Parisian concentration camp for jews, waiting to be deported eastwards.
    Apparently food packets etc could be brought to this camp by friends and relatives.
    Juste is a reference to the last (dernier) good, god fearing, man, of an old testament story, suppose Sodom and Gomorra.

    About the next French president, is there any alternative to Marine le Pen?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Parisian Guy
  316. Ace says:
    @utu

    ** making the rich happy is in their interest **

    Said no one ever.

  317. utu says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Our Parisian Guy just like our Belgian Guy have very pedestrian views of their histories.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  318. Tsigantes says:
    @El Dato

    Actually May ’68 was an early example of US / CIA regime change whose purpose was to bring down DeGaulle: this was achieved. The career of the ‘face’ of May ’68, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, should lay any doubts to rest.

  319. Tsigantes says:
    @jilles dykstra

    @ jilles dykstra

    Thanks, well spoken.

    Political commentators wonder how the suicide of the middle class political parties is possible.

    I would only add that the suicide of the middle class political parties was the inevitable outcome of their destruction of the middle class. Impoverishing one’s base is NOT intelligent.

  320. Seems clear the liberal mindset and years of their bogus schemes in the Eurostate are failing now. The last straw is the Muslim hordes over running the people. That has not boiled over yet , but it will. These French protest are a sort of preamble to what is coming and it is also clear the people in Euroland and USA are beginning to see the many illusions that have been created for them to c0ntrol them. This is all just the beginning of much more chaos, simply because the illusions are breaking down for valid reasons as all illusions do ! Realize real change always requires some degree of chaos and or violence so do NOT fear that , but embrace it. TPTB never want to let go of any power of course , so it is all baked into the cake. Once people realize the GW thing is just a sham they will move on to the real issues of how they are being screwed 24/7/365 by their own governments and forced to pay for that screwing ! Release the KRAKEN and let the prosecution of the real criminals in governments begin ASAP, MWGA !

    make the world great again

  321. @utu

    Our Parisian Guy [...]have very pedestrian views of their histories.

    Ok, will you explain why you tell your disagreement in such an unfriendly way?
    Is it because you did not like my previous pedestrian point of view, about syrian refugee and no-fly zone?

    • Replies: @utu
  322. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    For you it seems unfriendly because I put you in the same bag with the Belgian Guy?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  323. People and oligarchy elite around the globe should understand that knowledge and work devoted to Lord almighty and his Messenger avail (only). Otherwise all cities will be destroyed, and those that survive will suffer immense suffering. Take it or leave it. Verily every nation will reap only what they have sown in the last [51] years.

  324. Gary says:
    @El Dato

    Having recently lived in France for three years, using health services, doctors, clinics, dentists and public transport, I must say you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. Your comments are obviously ideologically based, rather than reality based. Good luck with that. I have friends who have had everything from open heart surgery, to more minor hospital stays, and I myself have used physical therapy in France with no complaints from anyone I know, whether French citizens or ex-pats like myself.

  325. @Hail

    Yellow is a color. That was my first idea.

    Then, more seriously:
    The PowerThatBe has lost the assentiment of the majority since 25 years. It nevertheless kept monopoly on government because all discontented citizens were unable to unite (left/ right, right/far-right (nazi according to media). Every group despised others so much that it was not possible to start speaking together. Thus, they would vote for the PTB rather than other discontent groups.
    Also the PowerThatBe enjoyed media monopoly, and fake opponent leadership. That maintained everyone in those discording point of view which nurtured disunion.

    The insurrection could have started long time ago, if it was only a matter of large numbers of discontented peoples..
    But it absolutely needed a few thing:

    (1)-people stopping to believe mainstream media
    (2)-people stopping to believe the political cast
    (3)-any kind of channel making dialogue between all the different groups of discontented citizen.

    Here comes Facebook, twitter et al.
    -Facebook a few month ago modified its algorithm so that mainstream media were less available, but post from friends were more available
    -Facebook and twitter are relaying lot of bullshit which upset people against government; This is believed as long as people live in their information bubble (which is defined by facebook/twitter). This add-up to the real motives of grievance

    Then comes the Yellow Vest ; I mean the yellow cloth.
    It works like an uniform. That is, everyone, when joining the protest, left its previous identity; He becomes member of the group. There is no more left/right angry dispute. No one speaks about conflicting matters. For instance, opposing extreme recognize mutually, but most often they decide to ignore mutually. (usually, they would have started fight). Then people start to act together. Some mutual trust is built. Then they can speak their own and understand some other point of view. For some previous matter of discord, some consensus arises.
    They started speaking about diesel price, they speak now about the Pompidou-Rothschild law of 1973 which caused french national debt. Such debate will kill €, for the enjoyment of the Federal Reserve…

    In short:
    -discontented are the majority, but deprived of power, because of their disunity, because not being able to speak together and because their information bubble is owned by the Power.

    That context exists in many countries. For them, the Color Revolution technology is nothing more than a factory which builds:
    -union of discontented around a symbol which express the common discontent and the union of discontented (yellow vest are for accidents and cars needing fix, think also of the Freedom Goddess)
    -channel for dialogue between people, so they discover that they could unite
    -alternative info buble

    Here in France, we can see that all the important tools are running:
    -It started on facebook, and now the brain storming is becoming a brain fire. Paranoia runs self-renforcing, so that anything feed the fire. The political cast and mainstream are not heard anymore
    -It has been shown that fake twitter account were relaying fake news (of course, it’s putin fault, according to UK)
    -the yellow vest are perfect uniform.

    And furthermore, yesterday: we saw people running the play of the pacifist crowd, the sitting peaceful citizen being martyrized by the evil force of the government. This is pure Gene Sharp textbook. The effect is to remove any kind of moral legitimacy to the government. Thus, civil disobedience will become the moral thing.

    By the way, domain name for yellowvests had been created several years ago. It was used by a protest movment concerning a minor point. Curiously, the movment went mad like the one today. May be it was a trial experiment by the CIA. It has the knowledge for Arabs Springs, but it had no tested knowledge for european cultures like France. Thus the trial test.

    ————————————-

    Concerning the billionaires paradise: macron get elected because all french billionnaires supported him; I look at
    -the way he sees how government should be run
    -the way he played anyone to be elected, which did not need real assent of voters
    -the way he manages its own party members; (Representatives are cattle, in short)
    -the project he had to reform the Congress

    Then I see that all these thing are as near as possible of the billionaires paradise, considering France as it is.

    I means, a part of those billionaires who suported Macron election seems to have discretly, but clearly, pushed up the discontent against Macron (they own medias). As if Macron had broken its promise to them, because his true project was not to be the servant of billionaires but the true master of France and Europe (I guess that if he had more time left before its death, becoming master of the galaxy would have been part of its project. This guy is special)

  326. tac says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I tried to post many more videos of Act IV of the Yellow Vest protests, but they never made it past he moderator–for whatever reason. Having said that, it will become quite to anyone paying attention that the French authorities were made to be more brutal and abusive against their own citizenry (there are even reports of EU mercenaries brought in to repel the rebellion) by Macron’s dictates compared to last week. This latest display of excessive force by the French authorities clearly illustrates the desperation, disregard, and hypocrisy used against demonstrating people for what it really is and has always been: a no-holds play at retaining power by any means necessary.

  327. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    The costume was at hand and didn’t have to be provided by Soros for some more or less manufactured “color revolution”.

    I am hearing more of this commentary coming out.

    What is unclear is why “Soros” (or similar) would want to take down Macron, who is their guy anyway.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
    , @Iris
  328. @jilles dykstra

    I was happy to see you admitting in another comment that you are immodest. Such consciousness makes more easy for me to tell you the reality: You are immodestly wrong when believing that you could have the whole of the facts about LePen father better than a french guy could. Did you check french news everyday for the last 30 years? Obviously not.

    I had no time to get in the details (and I still have not). The picture I brushed was to explain what happened really, not to give a detailled truth as in a court trial. The facts you said are basically true, but…

    For instance Lepen did not speak overtly doubting the gaz chambers. That’s true. But that doesn’t matter. My own opinion is that Lepen doesn’t believe in the gaz chambers, but it doesn’t matter either. The important thing is this one:
    -in France, you’ll get fined or jailed for publicly doubting the gaz chambers.
    -Le Pen did many other statement about gaz chambers, such as “It deserves to be scientifically studied by specialist. I myself does not know about enough”. He also made some joke about crematory, nobody would have made, if he was a decent person believing the crematory.
    -Everybody in France understood that LePen was an unbeliever and he spoke insidiously about, because of the law. Of course the media helped a lot the public to understand.
    -Anybody knows that these veiled rant forbade LePen to win election. You can say it was primarily the media fault. You can say that Le Pen made one tactical mistake (he should have shut up)
    -But he repeated that mistake, again and again.

    This is why the most credible hypothesis is that he made conscious sabotage.

    Same for the softness of the nazi occupation.
    First it was less true than you believe. How can you believe that pictures near the center of german power in France will give you the whole thing? Just my father had to be a fugitive for several month, to escape forced labour in Germany. Sometimes, they killed civils, randomly selected, for revenge when german soldiers got killed by resistance. The truth is in the middle, your revisionism went too far.
    Anyway, historical truth doesn’t matter, when considering the LePen’s sabotage.
    By spoking that way about occupation, he had to lose the election. You can say it was unjust. The real moral thing is this: It was more important for him to speak his own about nazi, than to liberate the French People from its oligarchy.
    He did not care. Do you recognize this reality about LePen?

    Oh, by the way, he is quite rich from inheritance. His daughter never really had to work. Do you believe billionnaire Trump really cares about poor people?

    Also, when Le Pen started to get above 2% score in elections, that was after media made him some publicity, and socialist President Mitterand (whose prime minsiter was jewish Fabius) modified the election law in a way which helped Le Pen a lot. I don’t believe they would have done that if Lepen was a real opponent who could/would take power someday.

    Yes, the story of France is not for pedestrian…

    About the Jew deportation, you know that it was very different for french Jews on one side, and non-french Jews on the other side.

    About alternative to Marine le Pen?
    No one is a good candidate for President. All leaders of opposition, including LePen, are either dishonnest or clueless. Maybe François Ruffin is a little more valuable than others. I’m not 100% sure of its sincerity, and futhermore his program is not mine. He may be a plant of the PTB, like Obama was.
    Marine Le Pen clearly is not smart enough for the job. She is a lawyer, but, let’s be kind and say she has the median IQ of a provincial lawyer. Because of that average IQ, when she debated against Macron before election, she lost 10% in polls. After such an achievment, her position as head of the party went so fragile that she had to bend over the will of the zionists and liberalists to keep that position. So she fired Florian Phillipot. This last one is a better candidate but nobody knows about him since he was fired.
    She is on the zionist agenda now. Zionist-Nationalist, that is: anti-muslim, and vague, unbelievable promise about euro and European Union.

  329. @utu

    Well, Belgian Guy is not pedestrian, but daydreaming, in my opinion. And I removed him from the reference.

    There may be a translation problem for me, but I understand that “pedestrian” means something like “slow” “not powerfull” “not elevated point of view” “superficial” “not deep”. Do you have a better and more friendly-looking translation?

    • Replies: @utu
  330. Iris says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    “Control F reveals the word “immigration” isn’t used once in the entire 3300 word article. Not once.”

    Systemic wealth transfer from Western working people towards the globalised financial industry and oligarchy has been going on for four decades, ever since economic globalisation started.

    It has been organised through sophisticated methods that very few people really understand: industrial offshoring, unhinged fiat money creation inflating the cost of essential assets (housing), and generating large scale stealth inflation, general consensus on “austerity” measures.

    “Mass immigration” to France, as started after the 2011 fall of the buffer Mr Gaddafi’s Libya used to be, is too recent and has nothing to do with it.

  331. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    unremarkable, uninspired, unimaginative, unexciting, uninteresting, uninvolving; unvarying, unvaried, repetitive, routine, commonplace, workaday; ordinary, everyday, run-of-the-mill, mundane

    • Troll: Mike P
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  332. The exception was the student uprising of May 1968, which was not a revolt of the poor but a revolt in a time of prosperity in favor of greater personal freedom: “it is forbidden to forbid“.

    The 1968 uprising was neither that. It was CIA-sponsored.

    • Replies: @King Baeksu
    , @Anon
  333. @tac

    it will become quite to anyone paying attention that the French authorities were made to be more brutal and abusive against their own citizenry

    I’ve watched Ruptly livestreaming for several hours. It may be true that they were more violent than last saturday.
    But, i have some kwowledge of these kind of protests. Previous Saturday they were less agressive than usually. Lot of tear gas but not trying to really attack. Last saturday, they were on usual level, considering the number and the violence of the crowd.
    Did you read the whole of my comment? I told you, this had never been seen since 1934. How could the cops manage the thing without injuries? You don’t understand that nobody died; In many other country, the damage to human beings would have been quiet worse.

    By the way, did you asked yourself if you could have been played by a color revolution?

    Concerning the moderator you complain about, I’ll give you my opinion:
    I understand that its aim is to keep this place different from facebook/twitter and other forums where anything – mainly bullshit – goes.
    It’s important to take care of the signal/noise ratio. Spectacular video don’t help the signal level, most of the times.
    The real info is not in pictures, it is hidden in the data. Did you compare the casualties number with those from other similar circonstances? Also, the real info is in the not spectacular, and (seemingly) innocent fact which had very low probability to happen, if it was only the consequence of contingency.
    Furthermore, the truth arises from competing analysis. This place was designed for that, not for being another channel for “alternative” fast news, whom half are toys of one or another deep power.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @tac
  334. Hail says: • Website
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    The same author just a few months ago wrote this:

    Immigration Divides Europe and the German Left (June 19, 2018)

    Excerpt:

    Die Linke is split between the national left, whose purpose is to promote social policies within the framework of the nation-state, and the globalization left, which considers that important policy decisions must be made at a higher level than the nation.

    As co-leader of the Linke fraction in the Bundestag, Wagenknecht champions the national left, while another woman, the party co-chair Katja Kipping, also an academic of East German origin, speaks for the globalization left.

    In a July 2016 article criticizing Brexit, Kipping made it clear that for her the nation is an anachronism unsuitable for policy making.

    Johnstone seems sympathetic to what she calls the National Left and critical of the Globalization Left (her terms):

    To make her policy line even more unrealistic, Kipping calls for both “open borders” and a guaranteed minimum income for everyone.

  335. @Hail

    Were the Arab Springs color revolution?

    In Tunisia, it was called “Jasmin Revolution”

    Jasmin is not a color, it’s a white flower which represents Tunisia, and was easily available from garden. So What? Should we say this revolution was not engineered by CIA?

    If the color revolution can use something available to anybody, it’s more practical.

    The colored cloth is a strong cue of a color revolution.
    It is not a cue because some foreign agent paid for the cloth, or not. This point is not the cue.

    It is a cue because it is not here for the pleasure of anybody. These vests are so ugly the government had to pay Karl Lagerfeld to do some advertisement in favor of them.
    It is a cue because it is a tool without which the revolution will not happen.
    It is a uniform which makes everybody similar to the other members. Thus they can unite.
    The discontent was enough, many years ago, to have an insurrection. But the Power managed to make impossible the union of all, by entertaining strong discord between opponents.
    The yellow cloth solved that problem.

    The beginning on facebook is also typical;
    Also the play of innocent protester going on the ground voluntarily waiting for some cop to beat them. That is plain Gene Sharp textbook.

    And yes, Soros is probably not involved. He doesn’t work against € and European Union, but more of the contrary.

    This is engineered by the CIA.

  336. Iris says:
    @Hail

    “What is unclear is why “Soros” (or similar) would want to take down Macron, who is their guy anyway.”

    While the “Gilets Jaunes” deserve the outmost sympathy for the legitimate socio-economic claims they make, there could be a darker agenda behind the support they are getting from Facebook.

    President Macron attending the recent Russia/Turkey/France/ Germany summit on Syria’s future without US involvement may have been a step too far for the oligarchic superstructure NATO and Soros are part of.

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  337. @peterAUS

    Passer pour un idiot aux yeux d’un imbécile est une volupté de fin gourmet.

    Georges Courteline.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  338. @Iris

    You could add:
    -Macron called publicly for a European Army, that is, with a unified command which could run independently from NATO. Yellow Vests begun soon after.
    -Macron and Merkel worked together to build a financial tool allowing european corporations to work with Iran and escaping US sanctions. That was one or two month ago.
    -and of course the previously pending matter of discord.

    I do not believe Soros is in the thing; Last news he was working for germany in East Europe. Remember that though he supported the first campaign of Obama, he was not involved in anything after that.

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  339. peterAUS says:
    @Parisian Guy

    cuckservative

    A cuckservative is a self-styled “conservative” who will cravenly sell out and undermine his home country’s people, culture, and national interest in order to win approval with parties hostile or indifferent to them.

    Urban dictionary

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  340. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    One question slightly OT: What is your take on the following 2015 chain of events?

    Bataclan Friday, 13 November 2015
    Apparent vocal support in France for Putin actions in Syria
    Departure of Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier for Syria
    Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkey, 24 November 2015
    Closing ranks by NATO around Turkey and French support for Russia cools off.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  341. King Baeksu says: • Website
    @Hiram of Tyre

    The 1968 uprising was neither that. It was CIA-sponsored.

    Source, please.

  342. ababush says:
    @utu

    “Perhaps I do not understand their tactics but it looks like they do not have any. After four weeks these people should be organized by now and have some identifiable leaders.”

    You are right to some extent to not being impressed.

    Still, there is one very very strong tactic: keep some chaos and threats in the Parisians streets where works and lives the upper class which governs France, in the heart of Paris (without declaring the exact place and time of the demonstrations). And it works: those people are now quite scared.

    Also, the fact to have no leader is a weakness for the movement if its purpose is to get some specific results, but it is also a strength: no leader can then be bought/smeared/dismissed, which gives some lifetime to the movement; a no leader situation also allows for the majority of french people to keep their sympathy for this movement which is just about ideas and resistance, not personalities (which generally bring disunion). And it put some pressure on Macron and his band, who have to figure out themselves at which point they will get the people approval, knowing that the police is tired, that they are scared and that they do not dare to send the army.
    Everything relies on the people resolve, but Macron is hated at such a level that I think the protesters won’t stop before he gets humiliated, and also before some democratic steps are obtained (such as popular referendum for example) .

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  343. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Agree. 1968 was CIA-sponsored.

    The revolt in France in not covered by the MSMs in Canada. In French (Québec) main stream medias, the protests have been briefly covered, however the ”accent” is on vandalism (by agents provocateurs to discredits the protests, as usual). The reasons of the protests are not given and the protesters are demonized (by fake Facebook profiles?). Not a word on Radio-Free Europe.

    Some say Merkel and Macron want to create a kind of ”European NATO” run by Washington and London.

    ”The tax on fuel will also serve to finance mounting military expenditures (in excess of 30 billion euros per annum in 2017) in support of France’s participation in NATO’s various “peace-making” initiatives in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.”

    France’s Yellow Vests: Fuel Tax Hike Triggers Poverty, Finances War and Repayment of the Public Debt

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/frances-yellow-vests-fuel-tax-hike-triggers-poverty-finances-war-and-the-public-debt/5662327

  344. @utu

    Thank you for the comprehensive translation. I did not know this word, I only guessed its meaning by the obvious Latin root. I do not remember having met him before. I read US English 99% of the time. Maybe that’s the explanation. Anyway, it was hostile and not needed. Let’s say that I have my idea of the cause and that you have not said anything that invalidates it. Its ok. No damage.

  345. @jim jones

    Welfare is always peanuts. The ignorant masses always thinks it is massive. It isn’t.

    Fact. Not debatable.

    Put it this way. If they abolished welfare and repaid the taxes to you on your tax return, you wouldn’t notice the difference.

    Now, allowing millions of foreigners into your country to take all your jobs and make unionization extremely difficult, now that is very real and very bad.

    So, if you are against immigration, that’s fine, and you are on the right side of the issue, but for xsake get your facts straight or no-one will take you seriously.

    • Replies: @anon
  346. anon[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Krollchem

    You appear to be just a thinly disguised globalist of the EU kind which is actually subservant to NATO. Your comments are meant to divert attention from the real day-to-day issues facing the French people.

    this wouldn’t surprise me either

    “Parisian Guy” – how convenient

    • Troll: Parisian Guy
  347. @jilles dykstra

    Yet, in the first round of the last presidential elections, four out of ten votes to anti EU candidates, Mélenchon and Marine le Pen.

    Mélenchon does not call at the end of the union. He criticizes the “liberalism of Bruxell”, but he plays the dream of reforming Europe, which is absolutely impossible in the current structure. He is a fake opponent. So, his constituents are not so anti-EU. Many of them are civil servants, “citizens of the world” and pro-immigration balahblahs. Others have eyes more open. Thus, there is currently the beginning of a split in the party around issues such as immigration, Israel, Frexit and €. Some people are excommunicated.
    I will say that we should not count as anti-EU more than half of Mélenchon’s constituents.

    Le Pen is not better. Three weeks before election, she was still for breaking the €. One week before, she flipped side…
    The thing is: most of people dislike € and EU. But they are really afraid of what would happen after breaking.
    There was one candidate whose program was return to French Franc and Frexit. Its name is Asselineau. He got 1.2%

    On the other side, the three clearly pro EU candidates, Macron, Fillon and Hamon only got 45%. The smaller candidates were mostly anti EU.

  348. @tac

    authorities were made to be more brutal and abusive against their own citizenry

    The whole text gives a feeling that parts of it are copy/paste of some text running in the internet.
    This part is quite interesting. What does it play for the Freudian Inconscient?
    The important word here is “own”.
    How could citizens be owned by the authorities?
    Do we usually see this word “own” used for speaking about chief of state and citizens? No.
    Why do not simply say “brutal against the citizens”?

    I only know three case where the top of the hierarchy owns the lower strata, as if it was his own thing, or part of itself:
    the father and its small children,
    the master and its slaves,
    the king and its subject.
    The first case is the prototype for the two other. Thus a good king and a good master have the moral duty to behave like a good father, who takes care of its progeny as much as he takes care of himself.

    Once the word “own” is used, it unconsciously brushes in the brain the idea of a broken duty: The moral duty to behave like a good father.
    The unconscious message resonate as “An evil father is killing its own children”. This is the worse crime. Such a man cannot any more have any kind of legitimate authority. Such a father, you are morally allowed to wish killing him (welcome oedipus) At least, you are allowed to take its power from him and keep it for yourself.
    Hence unconscious and powerful motives are planted in the brain of revolutionnaries.

    The same trick was used in “Assad send gases to its own people; “Ben Alis shot its own citizens.

    The heirs of Bernays did some progress since Bernays got half-baked freudian knowledge.

  349. tac says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Video footage speaks for itself, whatever the source; the fact that the moderator(s) chose to remove them from being published here also speaks for itself–and further amplifies the the ‘golden frame’ given to your comment in response to mine awarded by the moderator/author.

    France prides itself on being a beacon of democracy, human rights, and a model for the rest of humanity on the one hand, yet, it turns its hypocritical cheek with disdain for its own populace. What sort of ‘democracy’ uses excessive force (countless examples of this is available on video for the objective reader to observe, yet the moderator(s) will not allow such video to be published here, with the exception of one of the more mundane ones), uses mass arrests, savagely abuses the most vulnerable of its people like the handicapped, the youth and the elderly almost with almost a sickly pleasure in doing so, and most importantly, what sort of ‘democracy’ represses free speech with threats, intimidation, financial ruin, or even jail sentences–merely for expressing an opinion diametrically opposed to its own?

    Well it is no democracy at all! It is simply a mirage, a perversion inverted on its very face made to appear, in all its splendid glory, exactly what it is not! The parallels are quite striking indeed: either it, and all those venues, who preach and declare democracy, free speech, and equality first lead by example–especially for those whose stances and opinions it fervently disagrees with–or just admit it is and was always a mere spectre.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
    , @anon
  350. @utu

    Sorry, I have nothing as a link between these events. In 2015 & 2016 I did not have the free time needed to look for the deep cause of events. I’m still wondering who was the intigator and what was the purpose of Bataclan.

    The only valuable info I can give you is that some officials knew by advance.
    Unbelievably, chiefs of security department were already together, for the only purpose to have a friendly dinner (according to official bullshit). They respectively were head of relevant services from police, from army, from firefighter)
    French firefighters are also in charge for rescuing injured people. In the nearest firefighter barracks from the bataclan, a TV reporting staff, by unbelievable chance, was already here for a documentary, waiting any opportunities to shoot the firefighter at work. Unbelievable chance happens sometimes. So they shot. They were the new Naudet brothers. Soon after, a short preview was on Internet.
    Problem: it appeared then that a competing TV channel had also the same idea for documentary, at the same time, in the same area, and was in the next barracks. When that coincidence begun to be public, the whole thing disappeared from the media and the internet. Both documentaries had never been broadcasted.
    What I means is that the “by chance” probability of this coincidence is too little, therefore both TV crew had some insider info. Therefore officials knew what would happen this evening.
    Furthermore, in previous day, medical emergency services in Paris made a large training for the case of a large emergency with many casualties.
    The government knew.

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  351. @ababush

    Still, there is one very very strong tactic: keep some chaos and threats in the Parisians streets where works and lives the upper class which governs France,

    I believed they would do that. They begun to do it 1 December (Avenue Kleber, Avenue Foch.).

    The real upperscale inhabit this area, the “16th arrondissement”. Protestors could have refitted the whole area between Kleber and Foch and going South-West far until the Seine river. Also there is Neuilly, the near suburb for billionnaire (where Sarkozy and Holland came from).
    And there was the “7th arrondissement”, around Invalides, where inhabit high civil servants. May be it was not possible because of a lot of police protecting the many official buiding here.

    For sure, 8 December, they went only in part of Paris where it does smell money. But they left almost untouched the most upperscale area. By the way these are not shopping areas…. huhuhu…

  352. ” Mélenchon does not call at the end of the union. He criticizes the “liberalism of Bruxell”, but he plays the dream of reforming Europe, which is absolutely impossible in the current structure. ”

    Is it possible that we fully agree ?
    In my opinion Mélenchon lacks the brains to oversee what he proposes.
    Is there a difference between ‘reforming Europe’, meant is ‘reforming the EU’, and abolishing the present EU ?
    There is no such thing as Europe, except as a geographical area.

    This geographical area consists of some 28 different peoples, with different languages, different cultures, different economies, different social security systems, different ideas about inflation and devalutation, about tax evasion, and so on and so forth.

    The Europe illusion is based on the nonsense that nation states wage wars, and perpetrate genocide, nazi is from National Socialist.
    Both Churchill and Kennan were of the opinion that the big mistake of Versailles was not to encapsulate Germany into a European union.
    History has its great, though bloody jokes, the encapsulated Germany leads the union supposed to encapsulate it.
    That GB caused WWI, Britain and FDR caused WWII, it cannot be true.
    That jewry in 1933 declared war on Germany, cannot be said.
    Germans, Japanese and Muslims victims, impossible.

    And so not too bright people as Mélenchon are pursuing dreams, illusions.
    In my opinion 2005 was the beginning of what now happens in France, and many other EU members, people who want their countries back.

    Reform of the EU illusion cannot take place, again, my opinion, unless the real history of the 20th century becomes mainstream history, a European Chrustjow who, as the real Chrustjow did with regard to Stalin, explains how nearly anyone has been fooled, most of them even since WWI.

    Philip M. Taylor, ‘Munitions of the Mind, A History of Propaganda from the Ancient World to the Present Day’, 1995, Manchester
    Philip M. Taylor, ‘The Projection of Britain, British Overseas Publicity and Propaganda 1919-1939′, Cambridge 1981
    Sir Campbell Stuart K.B.E., ‘Secrets of Crewe House, The Story of a Famous Campaign’, 1920, London
    Charles A. Beard, ‘American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932 – 1940, A study in responsibilities’, New Haven, 1946
    John Charmley, ‘Churchill, The end of glory, A political biography’, London 1993

    A reformed EU, in my opinion simply re introducing the EEC: sovereign nations with own currencies cooperating.

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  353. @Parisian Guy

    ” I do not believe Soros is in the thing; ”
    Soros, in my opinion the present Bernard Baruch, the man who brought Franklin Roosevelt into politics, also the friend of Churchill.
    226 followers in EP.

  354. @El Dato

    Well the whole is that all these services are slowly being strangled under neoliberalism – “la pensée unique” or “Harvard Business School management” or the Washington Consensus – and have been for decades, including under “Socialist” governments. Be my guest, enjoy your private health care if you can afford it. I’d rather stand up for the principle that government should serve the people and not wealth.

  355. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Welfare is always peanuts. The ignorant masses always thinks it is massive. It isn’t.

    Fact. Not debatable.

    great, you pay for it then

    you pay for foreigners sitting on their ass in your country

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  356. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Thanks for your economic analysis regarding the decades prior to the US Civil War. While I’ve heard of the tariff aspect, your explanation is one of the very few that I’ve seen that opens up the logic of it.

    In the years after the Civil War there was more than one Southern Confederate, such as General Robert E Lee if I recall right, that expressed a belief that it was the poor tariff situation vis-a-vis the South that was a very big cause for the war.

    Historical Northern explanations for the war generally don’t go into the tariff because I can only suspect it makes them look bad.

    Having said that, there’s still the ‘elephant in the living room’ of the rightfully termed ‘scourge upon humanity’ slavery, that no one for the most part, North or South, wants to examine thoroughly and to its logical conclusion.

    They should though.

    As I’ve mentioned at other sections at this site, in Anglo-Saxon British North America chattel slavery and it trade, starting in about 1620 and having ‘gone viral’, had some two hundred plus years later (1860) created a horrible paradigm in the United States. Chattel slave purchasers in the South were driven by a desire (aka greed) of doing anything but anything than pay typically their own people the prevailing real time local rate of labor.

    [MORE]

    Following the same pattern in the North with chattel slavery’s monetization, the wage slave (ie ‘cheap labor’ aka ‘immigrant’) exploiters, the former would be chattel slave dealers/owners in the north, were doing the same, but in a much more profitable and efficient way with their ‘just in time’ slavery provided by ‘mass immigration’.

    In each instance their own people, the vast majority of the A-S population not involved in chattel slavery and its trade, or its monetization wage slavery acquired via the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system, were getting royally screwed in every way, ie physically, culturally, and economically, with the situation tending towards their displacement/destruction, much more so with the latter wage slavery.

    It had taken over two hundred years (ie 1860) with African slaves, many of them historically provided by Northern slave dealers, displacing the A-S population in South Carolina (ie 55% African slave/45% Anglo-Saxon). Other Southern slave states were slowly going the same way. With wage slavery in the North this process of displacement/destruction took mere decades.

    The same pattern, having evolved from British colonial chattel slave holding society and ‘gone viral’, is in place today with multi-culturalism and its accompanying underlying economic ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration basis.

    The main error, then and now, is the failure for the vast majority not historically involved in slavery, whether it be chattel or wage, is at minimum to have separated themselves from those who were, let alone the failure in general to have even articulated the problem.

    At the bottom of this entry is a link to a Majority Rights website thread. Entries #76, 78, and 79 have a great deal of original source 19th century material related to this subject. If you have the time available I’d invite you to check it out.

    The two quotes below were taken from that source material. Each is a quote from an elite person that was from the highest level of the mid 19th century US Anglo-Saxon establishment, one of the North, one from the South.

    The first, a Southerner, was a member of one of the self-described ’4000′ families that ruled over the South, ie 3000 chattel slave owning families with a hundred or more slaves each, and the 1000 allied business and ‘professional’ oriented families.

    George Washington’s family, as a major chattel slave holder, had he been alive in 1860, would of been one of these ’4000′.

    The second, a Northerner, was the former US treasurer Robert Walker. Following the pattern that has been described, as a Northern elite he’d been as a slave speculator* part of the slave dealing process in the South. Walker in 1863 was the financial representative of the Lincoln administration in London, and was there at the time to obtain loans from London and European banks to finance the Union war effort, of which he was quite succesful.

    The 1863 economic quote, calculated the same year as the critical battles of Gettysburg and Vicksburg were fought, was part of an open letter to the American people written by Walker while in London, which attempted to explain to the US (Union/North) general public why the North had to prosecute the war against the South.

    Massachusetts was the primary center of wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) in the North. Its counter-part, South Carolina, was the primary center of chattel slavery in the South.

    Regarding the economic aspect (ie greed of A-S elites and hangers on of those involved in chattel or wage slavery) of the war, bad enough as it is, it’s far worse than that. The worst aspect is the utter and callous disregard, now gone viral with global multi-culturalism, displayed towards the well being of their own people, the other as well (ie the chattel and or wage slaves), and ultimately themselves as individuals.

    ‘..the rise of the modern industrial system made wage slavery a more efficient agent of production than chattel slavery..’

    Our Southern States, being still in the agricultural stage, on account of our practical monopoly of the world’s chief textile staple, were the last of the great civilized nations to find chattel slavery less profitable than wage slavery, and hence the “great moral crusade” of the North against the perverse and unregenerate South. It was a pure case of economic determinism, which means that our great moral conflict reduces itself, in the last analysis, to a question of dollars and cents, though the real issue was so obscured by other considerations that we of the South honestly believe to this day that we were fighting for States Rights, while the North is equally honest in the conviction that it was engaged in a magnanimous struggle to free the slave. From the foreward of the book The War-Time Journal of a Georgia Girl, 1864-1865 (1908)

    And..

    ‘The educated free labor of Massachusetts, we have seen, doubles the products of toil, per capita, as compared with Maryland, and quadruples them (as the Census shows) compared with South Carolina..’ The Continental Monthly (pg 258) – March, 1864

    * Slave speculators purchased chattel slaves, waited for their price to rise significantly, and then resold them.

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_death_of_a_multi_racialist/

    https://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/andrews/andrews.html

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b656722;view=1up;seq=266;skin=mobile

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  357. Stick says:

    It would be painful for a year or so but a return to the Franc would alleviate a lot that is killing France. Same with Italy and most especially Greece. It would also allow these nations to inflate their way out of the German/Dutch box they find themselves in.

    • Agree: Mike P
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  358. @anon

    “Welfare is always peanuts. The ignorant masses always thinks it is massive. It isn’t.”

    In Illinois, the LINK card aka “food stamps” yields $193/person/month, so if you had a minor child living with you, that would give you $386/month just for whats at the supermarket. Bet that’s more than what lots of working people have as disposable income for foodstuffs per month.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  359. @Stick

    https://www.bfmtv.com/economie/deficit-le-ministre-de-l-agriculture-pret-a-repasser-au-dessus-des-3percent-1585125.html

    This was of this morning, before’s Macron’s Santa Klaus speech, throwing money around, except for the pensioners, standard EU policy.

    It in fact says, in my opionion, that France cannot stay within the EU euro three percent deficit.
    Until now it never could.
    So what in fact was said this morning, what any economist knew since years, that France must leave the euro.
    The big euro mistake was, according to German sociologist Seeckt, he’s retired, can speak his mind, that the northern EU countries said to the southern ‘become culturally like us’.
    Macron’s Santa Klaus speech of course augments the deficit further.

    BTW, wonder if anyone realises this, but it is not only the Italian banks that are in great difficulties, the end of Deutsche Bank is near.
    It had derivates on the balance sheet equal to fifteen to twenty times the German national income, so it cannot be saved, as the Italian banks cannot.

    Now we Dutch knew that Belgium already differs substantially, culturally and economically, from the Netherlands.
    It is even worse, our rivers Rhine and Meuse in the Netherlands already are a barrier between two cultures.

    We also see the cultural differences between E and W Europe, the Visigrad (E) countries, catholic, already refused Muslim immigrants, these countries also did not sign Marrakech.

    If there’ll be a Brexit I’m beginning to doubt, but in any case it is clear that GB is completely split politically, even without the euro.

    The CO2 agreements also seem more and more impossible to realise, the great Dutch leap forward was planned for the shortest day, Dec 21, but thenby then there will be no agreement.
    For the first time more or less realistic estimates of costs appear, anyone negotiating, 81 organisations, what this has to do with democracy I do not know, agrees on that someone else must foot the bill.
    In 2030 cars with combustion engines, the plan was or is, are not allowed any more, the car importers explain that right now the cheapest electric car costs €30.000, the cheapest car with combustion engine €10.000.

    So all around me I see EU illusions, bubbles, imploding.
    Where it will lead to, I hardly have any idea.

    One more thing; the Wankel engine was never developed futher, a main reason was that existing piston engine factories would become worthless
    Nobody now seems to wonder how much money, value, will evaporate, if factories now producing combustion engines are obliged to close.

    How we got into all this madness, I’m still unable to comprehend.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  360. @Joe Stalin

    An immigrant on welfare costs us around € 33.000 a year !
    This includes housing, medical care, etc.
    We have Eritreans here since ten years who still do not work, quite a few not even able to speak proper Dutch.

  361. S says:

    As something of an addendum to my just prior post, the Majority Rights thread and posts referenced (#76, 78, 79) had some broken linked sources, they having changed their format. However, by searching the two reformatted ‘Making of America’ online archives sites one can find the original sources quoted from. Below are some other quotes from original sources.

    The term ‘cheap labor’ was widely used during the first half of the 19th century in the United States and meant exactly as it does now.

    In the years immediately prior to and during the Civil War, when the term ‘cheap labor’ would normally of been used in reference to ‘immigrants’, the word ‘cheap’ of this term was replaced with ‘free’, ie ‘free labor’ instead of the former ‘cheap labor’, to emphasize that this often wage slave ‘immigrant’ of the North was a free man as opposed to unfree chattel slaves (sometimes in chains) of the South. Note too, the essence of slavery, the systematic theft of an individual’s labor, whether it be chattel or wage, is wholly overlooked in this.

    To sum it up, the term ‘cheap labor’ literally disappeared in the US corporate media just prior to and during the US Civil War, only to reemerge in the years following the war. The term ‘free labor’ was ‘memory holed’ except when referencing the Civil War like the example below. [A person can check this out themselves by searching the term 'cheap labor' during the Civil War years at the two online 'Making of America' archives sites.]

    The Northern largely Anglo-Saxon Protestant soldiery literally fought and died for the cause of wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) which was already then (1861) in the process of displacing/destroying him rapidly with Irish Roman Catholic and Chinese wage slaves being imported in by the tens, if not hundreds of thousands, annually.

    The same for his Southern Confederate battlefield counter-part and their somewhat slower displacement/destruction with chattel African slaves.

    [MORE]

    The guns were turned on the wrong people in that damnable war. They should of been turned upon those engaged in and profiting from chattel and it’s monetization, wage slavery, North and South, not the vast majority who were not. That would of meant a true abolition of slavery in the US, and what should of happened, much unlike the fraudulent and extremely expensive (600,000 lives) ‘abolition’ that took place.

    Also, note the 1862 Bank of England circular’s cynical reference to ‘care for the laborer’ in regards to the cumbersome and expensive chattel slavery system as opposed to an oblique reference to ‘just in time’ wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’) which requires no such care by the person profiting from it, that cost and hassle now having been ‘outsourced’ to the general public to contend with.

    As for the circular’s: ‘the European plan led by England, is for capital to control labor by controlling the wages…’ The essence of slavery itself is simply the systematic theft of the value of an individual’s labor. Historically the means to do this was to buy or physically acquire a person whose people had been defeated in battle, a ‘chattel’, and hence the term chattel slavery.

    With chattel slavery’s monetization the systematic theft of labor (the slavery) is achieved by simply ‘paying’ wages to a person (this person often coming from a people which has first been reduced to an unaturally low state of being) far below the prevailing real time local costs of labor that the person employing such would typically be having to pay their own people.

    With both chattel and wage slavery, its consumer’s desire to pay significantly below the prevailing real time local costs of labor (typically to one of his her own people) is satisfied, with the latter even more efficiently (if not profitably) so.

    As the B of E circular alludes, the systematic theft of labor (the slavery) is much more efficiently and profitably acquired via the person’s wages, as opposed to a physically owned chattel, and hence the term wage slavery. With wage slavery almost every negative that both chattel slave holder and dealer had formerly had to deal with in regards to chattel slavery has now been safely ‘outsourced’ to the general public who are accused of ‘hate’ should they make the smallest protest.

    But isn’t the ‘hate’ the otherway around in this?

    Also worthy of mention is the Lawrence family of textile factory magnates who financed the construction of Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Massachusetts and financed it’s sister city, Lawrence, Kansas, a primary center of ‘abolitionism’ in latter 1850′s ‘Bleeding Kansas’, where North-eastern industrialists and Southern plantation owners privately financed guerilla armies, complete with artillery at times, to fight for control of that contested state, this being a micro-cosm of the coming US Civil War, and an open manifestation of the struggle between the Northern wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) and Southern chattel slavery.

    Related to this is New York Senator (and future Secretary of state) Henry Seward’s March 3, 1858 speech to the US Senate entitled ‘Freedom in Kansas’ which outlined the history of events leading to the crisis in ‘bleeding Kansas’, from the founding of the United States in 1776 to 1858, and calls the historic long running clash since the latter 18th century between the North’s ‘free labor’ (ie ‘wage slavery/’cheap labor’ system) and various ‘compromises’ along the way, a multi-generational ‘dynastical struggle’.

    While it’s generally accepted that the South first seceded, and then fought, ultimately so as to preserve chattel slavery, for the US North it’s a perpetual fog surrounding it’s motivations for prosecuting the war.

    Sometimes its the desire to preserve the Union, sometimes it’s to free the slave, other times it’s been the ‘tariff’.

    No one seems to know for certain exactly why the more commercially orientated North fought, despite ‘the elephant in the living room’ of the North-East having historically been the very epi-center of the chattel slave trade in British colonial North America, their own Northern slave ownership, and chattel slavery’s apparent monetization with wage slavery via the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system in the early 19th century.

    As for the tariff being the cause of the US Civil War, to the extent there is perhaps some truth in it, and people are ‘allowed’ to think it, I suppose I see it as something of a ‘sop’, or distraction, by the powers that be. It’s bad if something was fought over money, but that’s happened before.

    It’s a far greater evil though, and I certainly wish it weren’t the case, if the US Civil War, despite the lies told to and sincerely believed by the men on both ‘sides’, was in reality fought for slavery by both North and South, which I submit was what happened.

    Lastly, below, I’ve linked a site regarding chattel slavery in the northern colonies and then states. It might surprise some to know that in 1861 there were legally owned (‘grandfathered’ by law) chattel slaves in the North, or that there had even been slaves there. The North-East, ie New England, had also been the historic center of the chattel slave trade in North America.

    The owner can’t understand why so few know about this, North or South, or, anywhere, but particularly in the North-east. He comes at it from a Left/Right, Capitalist/Marxists view, and seems to allude that it might be in part a sort of historical embarassment as to the reason.

    I’ll submit a reason as to why people don’t wish to look at it closely in the historic center of what is termed ‘liberalism’ in the North-Eastern United States. While most with origins there were not involved in chattel slavery or its trade, the same as they’ve not been involved in its monetization wage slavery (cheap labor/mass immigration), indeed they had to suffer greatly with it, even so, like their historical counterparts in the South had done, they’ve in a great many instances internalized the corrupting slavery mentality of powerful elements of their elites and hangers on.

    I think the everyday Northern ‘liberal’ could handle the fact by itself that there were chattel slaves in the North, everyone makes mistakes, even big ones, but that’s just it, that fact is not by itself. Almost as soon as the chattel slave disappeared, this phenomena of so called ‘cheap labor’ acquired by ‘immigration’, chattel slavery’s monetization, began to emerge. Once a person fully confronts the first fact of chattel slavery and its trade’s presence in the northeast, it’s only one very small step to seeing the development and promotion of wage slavery there.

    Were the historic North-eastern based or derived US liberal to face the facts squarely, first about chattel slavery in the North, and then it’s monetization (not abolition) of wage slavery acquired by ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration, and all that would imply, it would have the potential of painfully causing them to have to look deep within and examine their own hearts.

    And that in turn would have the very real potential of destroying their world.

    ‘The [Civil] war was essentially an industrial struggle – a struggle between free labor and the masters of slave labor.’ Harper’s New Monthly Magazine – January 1897

    ‘[Chattel]Slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power, and chattel slavery destroyed. This, I and my European friends are in favor of, for slavery is but the owning of labor and carries with it the care for the laborer, while the European plan led by England, is for capital to control labor by controlling the wages…’ Bank of England circular sent to every bank in New York and New England in 1862, Imperial Washington (1922)

    ‘..[Chattel] slave labor is a monopoly which excludes free labor and competition; that slaves are kept in comparitive idleness and ease in a fertile half of our arable national territory, while free white laborers, constantly augmenting in numbers from Europe, are confined to the the other [Northern] half and are often distressed by want; that the free white laborers of the North has more need of expansion into the Southern States, from which it is virtually excluded, than slavery had into Texas in 1846…’ Excerpt of Proclamation by US Brigadier-General Phelps to the loyal people of the Southwest, Ship Island, Mississippi, December 4, 1861

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_death_of_a_multi_racialist/#c52320

    https://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/moa/abe5377.0001.001/3?g=moagrp;page=root;size=100;view=image;xc=1;q1=free+labor

    https://matteroffact.tv/lawrence-mass-immigrant-city/

    http://slavenorth.com

    • Replies: @utu
  362. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    In the nearest firefighter barracks from the bataclan, a TV reporting staff, by unbelievable chance, was already here for a documentary, waiting any opportunities to shoot the firefighter at work.

    About the ‘documentation’ thing some people have noted in the United States that often enough when there’s a major political ‘disaster’ that takes place that someone by ‘remarkable chance’ is on hand with the latest technology to record it.

    911 had some kind of fireman’s exercise being video taped at the time the first building was struck.

    Zapruder filmed the Kennedy assasination in living color.

    Even the blowing up of the USS Maine in Cuba at Havana Harbor had this guy on the dock with a portable personal Kodak camera (camera could take up to 100 photos if I recall) who claimed he was taking photographs of the immediate scene right when the explosion happened. As it was late evening/nightfall his claimed photograph didn’t develop too well.

    Ah, well. ;-)

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  363. @S

    Hi S.

    I’m really sorry, I must tell you that I don’t have enough time to pursue the talk about the chattel system. As I’m French, it take lot of times for me to write in English, and I strongly prefers to keep most of my time/energy on the topic which made me coming here, that is the Yellow Vests movment. Because now it looks like the necessary conditions have met for an historic time.

    It was good to learn about the Lee comment which agrees with my analysis. And you are true, the story written by the North prefers not to think about. That may explain why this analysis, although obvious to me, is never found in any book. By the way, it’s only my own analysis. I’did not take it from some expert, therefore its value is what it is. I’ll only add that I learnt the history and theory of international trade, so you can trust about the economic facts I told you.

    About Trump, I would have been pleased to exchange with you. I did not answer your first say, for the same reason: not much time left for anything but France; I regret that. I would have many things to discuss. Since Trump election I spent much more time watching what happened in White House than at l’Elysée. First because that’s where the world power is, with the declining empire problem, and second because this White House is a thing never been seen before. I have read “Fire & Fury” from Wolf. Although nobody can be sure that all details are true, the picture was not far from what I’d guessed when trying to analyze the many cue of the inside war. It seems that Mattis, Kelly and Mueller (all Marines), Wapo & CIA , working together, are the true masters. Trump is the recalcitrant puppet.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @S
  364. utu says:
    @S

    Wow! S=South, S=Sophistry. You are wasting your mind. Find a more worthy cause you could apply your intelligence to.

  365. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    ” I strongly prefers to keep most of my time/energy on the topic which made me coming here, that is the Yellow Vests movment.”

    We need a summary and analysis of what has transpired in France so far? What’s coming next? A general strike?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  366. @tac

    Welcome to the real world. You discovered that democracy doesn’t exist. Neither in France, neither in any large country. Democracy is a lie for 98% of these self-describing democracies.

    Did you learn a little bit of Marx? Democracy is the way that Money Power have found to keep power. This power is based on the consent of the dominated. Consent is build by using many lie. The power in democracy is not based on violence. The reason is that for violence, you need militaries. But soon one military believes he is entitled to the Money, and he enforces its will.
    So in democracy, militaries inside the country are kept low. Violence is not used but only when consent has disappeared. That is now in France.
    Paris, 1934 February 6 : the consent had disappeared. The protest ended with twenty death.
    Paris 2018 December 8 : zero death

    Another frequent lie is the one about the freedom fighter. Most of the time, they are working (knowingly or not) for the interest of some other undemocratic power. You are one, unknowing.

    Now, may I introduce you to another part of the real world? There are people who despise the lies and want to know the truth. There is no better way to know the truth than to think rationally and work as I described: look for real info and exchange the analysis. For them, non-info flooding is more than an annoyance, it is kind of censoring their way of thinking.
    You said that these videos are everywhere on the internet. So, they had been already seen by everybody interested by gore videos quite less informative than casualties statistics. We don’t need them here. They are not here for this reason, and not because we were uninformed peoples in needs for your teaching.
    I guess my age is two or three times yours. Think about it.

    I’d like to read your answer.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @tac
  367. @jilles dykstra

    So what in fact was said this morning, what any economist knew since years, that France must leave the euro.
    Since populists are growing in every countries, it could also means that a number slightly above 3% will be the new european rule.

    I guess you noticed that the european QE around 2014 or 2015 was strongly opposed by Germany at first. Then Germany reluctantly agreed. I believe that before splitting the European Union, many concessions will be given, until far the European Union is no more benefitting Germany.

    They will not decide for France quitting EU now. That would mean: apply the populist’s program in order to keep them from getting power and applying their program.

    Now Macron can sing the same song than Salvini: “Angela, gimme money, or I’ll leave you””

  368. @S

    “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” W. R. Hearst

    But for the Bataclan, there had been no war after it. That’s why I thought that the tip was not intentionnaly given to TV reporter.

    May be it was intentionnaly given to one TV, then it went wrong: a competing TV heard about it, and the coincidence made the whole thing unbelievable.

    I don’t know.
    May be some tier intervened and made the war not possible (putin?)
    May be war was not the purpose. It was to increase anti-muslim resent.

    One thing is sure: Holland was a zionist, Macron is not.
    Since Macron’election, no more mass murder by muslim in France.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Iris
    , @utu
    , @S
  369. Anon[855] • Disclaimer says:

    The protests are legitimated. However my feeling is that the NATO (CIA/Mossad/MI6) are fueling certain radical elements (groups infiltrated in the protesters, like the MEK, or anarchists coached by the SDECE) while studying people’s reaction on Facebook.

    In other words, the NATO (CIA/Mossad/MI6) and its Facebook are currently creating a “template” for a revolution that works in Europe, a revolution that will be “exportable” in IRAN.

  370. Anon[855] • Disclaimer says:

    PARIS RIOTS 2018 – CIA/MOSSAD FALSE FLAG

    {excerpts of blog}

    http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2018/12/paris-riots-false-flag.html

    “There is a belief that the CIA, and its friends, are using fake images as part of their campaign to topple President Macron.”

    “In August 2018, President Macron called on the European Union to

    1. Stop relying on the United States for defense,

    2. And reach out to Russia to develop a “strategic partnership.”

    France Calls On EU To Not Rely On U.S. Defense, Reach Out To Russia.”

    “On August 27, Macron criticized Trump for being an “unreliable” partner and “turning his back” on the “multilaterism” built by Western powers since World War II with such actions as pulling out of Iran’s nuclear deal.”

    ” On August 27, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said: “Obviously, it irritates us when President Trump describes Europe as an enemy of the U.S.A in the same breath as Russia and China…”

    “Macron has angered Trump by saying Europe needs its own army and by listing the US along with Russia and China as a threat to European security?”

    “Is this an Israeli false-flag to punish Macron? Macron recently said: “What will allow solving the crisis between Israel and Palestine?… Not ignoring the legitimate right of Palestinians to obtain durable peace…”

    “French intelligence (SDECE) has competed with the CIA over the control of the world heroin trade.

    Yellow Jackets. Rioters work for CIAs Gladio.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  371. Mike P says:
    @Parisian Guy

    One thing is sure: Holland was a zionist, Macron is not.
    Since Macron’election, no more mass murder by muslim in France.

    How many of those events were real, how many were staged? Your comments on Bataclan suggest it was staged. Does that hold for Nice, too?

  372. @utu

    Well, isn’t it time to negotiate my wage, before my enslavment?

    Anyway, that’s too soon to give you a real answer.
    - On the zionist BFMTV, leftist (and Mason) Mélenchon spoke immediately after Macron a well constructed text which destroyed the value of the offer from Macron. Mélenchon had, in my opinion, previous knowledge of the Macron’s text… He called for Act 5, that is another Saturday protest. I guess its project is to become the leader of the part of Yellow Vest who will continue. I’m not sure he will sucess, since people from Yellow Vests movment were not so much attracted to Mélenchon previously and they don’t anymore trust politicians, whoever there are.
    - By the way, I believe that lot of Yellow Vest were supporters of Marine LePen some years ago. But when she failed so miserably in debating against macron before election, they understood she could never get elected. Loss of this last hope led them to this revolt.
    - There is lot of discussions going on inside Yellow Vests. Previous constituents of LePen spoke with previous constituents of Mélenchon. It may have given Mélenchon hope he’ll be heard and followed. May be people are dumb enough.

    A Yellow Vest, which was inside the TV show, said “we’ll discuss Macron’s speech”. Another, in the country said “We”ll continue”, as did another elsewhere.
    I have no idea of the proportion of Yellow Vest who will continue, neither I have of the proportion of those who want , beyond money, an important reform of the whole system.

    There is still in the elite lot of peoples believing that Macron is burnt. They believe it because there had been an intensive campaign against Macron previously inside the elite. But everybody has its own agenda (quite similars: taking power) and its own wishful analysis of the reality.
    We’ll have an idea of what will follows when every player has made its statement and the unsustainable disagreements are fixed

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  373. @Mike P

    No, I don’t suggest it was fake.
    On 9/11, the Naudet brothers, who made the documentary on the NYC firmeen, may had been tipped. But the towers really went down, and there was real victims (I cannot exclude the number had been pushed up).

    Here is a list of Bataclan victims:

    https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/france/181115/la-liste-des-victimes-des-attentats-du-13-novembre?onglet=full

    This list gives too many details about victims: name, relatives, job, company, small town residency. If they were not real, it would have been seen. Let’s take one victim: we know his name and which school he teached in. People of that school would have say “This teacher doesn’t exist”.

    Neither was Nice fake. There is some cue, not proof, that it was “Let it happen”.

    My conclusion about Bataclan is that french government knew about before it happened. He did not had the want or the ability to stop it. It only made the medical and security services ready for the event.
    There had been also other questions about why militaries at some time were prevented by hierarchy to intervene.
    Furthermore, some terrorists where caught some days later. The assault killed each one. But some could have been taken alive. They will never speak. The only terrorist caught alive was arrested by belgian service.

  374. Iris says:
    @Parisian Guy

    One thing is sure: Holland was a zionist, Macron is not.
    Since Macron’election, no more mass murder by muslim in France.”

    I don’t think Hollande was more of a zionist than Macron. What differs between the two presidencies is the geopolitical issues at stake.

    Hollande made the very daring move to try a “rapprochement” with Putin at a time the Zionist oligarchy was still hoping to achieve its strategic goal in Syria: topple Assad and destroy the Syrian state.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2015/11/16/attentats-13-novembre-hollande-poutine-assad_n_8575488.html

    The French people were made to pay for Hollande’s attempt at independence from the Zionist agenda, and this was pretty easy because his predecessor, the arch-Zionist Sarkozy, had riddled security forces with dark networks of operatives.

    The narrative of the “mass murder” of French people by Muslim terrorist is impossible to believe for whoever paid interests to the details of the Paris and Nice attacks:
    - There is so far no credible culprits for the gunmen who shot down at Paris restaurant terraces just before the Bataclan events: they have simply vanished.
    - The Nice “terrorist” lorry driver was shot down sitting on the passenger side, among many other unbelievable anomalies. This attack, too, was conveniently filmed by the spouse of a Mossad agent who happened to be randomly at the spot:

    http://www.panamza.com/01022018-nice-manipulation-gutjahr/

  375. @jilles dykstra

    Of course, we can agree. Let me teach you how to process: goto comment 332. Then at the end of the comment, you’ll find several buttons. Then, use the left button of your mouse to click the first button. Isn’t it really easy?

    Concerning your other questions:
    About Mélenchon: I half agree. Yes some brain is missing, but the problem is located in the skulls of its constituents. Mélenchon don’t care. There was several party officer with better ideas than the ones he profess. Instead of hearing them, Mélenchon is excommunicating them.
    Furthermore, Mélenchon is a Mason. Mélenchon gave high wage with party money to its mistress. The only question worth to be asked about Mélenchon is “How to get rid of him?”

    To your reformed union project, I would add: the € and a european army, and I will extend this reformed union until far Vladivostok.
    I mean: what is coming is a great fight between the old and the new empire, that are USA and China. We Europeans will fare better if we work together to keep a common area of peace.
    The € is needed to stay free of the $ and Yuan dominance. It will stay above all the own money of each country. Let’s use the idea of the SDR of the IMF, but only on the scale of Europe.
    Russia is needed because it will make this defensive Europe more powerful. Furthermore, Russia is the biggest provider for commodities. Thus we can sustain any event which could happen out of Europe in case of USA-China war.
    And last, Russia, like all european countries which were in WW2, wishes peace firstly. The european army will have a unified command but it will not be permitted to intervene ouside Europe. It’s real Defense (not for attack). The dream of US warmongers is a splitted Euope whose countries could be played to participate in the US game against China. This a European army couls prevent

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  376. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    But for the Bataclan, there had been no war after it.

    The aircraft carrier Charle de Gaulle left for Syria. And then it fizzled out after the Russian Su-24 was shot down.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  377. @Parisian Guy

    Marx and money power.
    Few people realise that the predictions of Marx were fairy tales.
    Das Kapital, even less read than Mein Kampf.

    But indeed, the power of money has been growing, at the cost of disappearance of political power.
    The critical year for me in 1997, when free movement of capital was made possible in nearly the whole world.
    The former German minister Lafontaine described this, a colleague of him in that year blamed the monthly conference at BIS in Basle of central bankers for grabbing power.
    As Lafontaine writes ‘and they applauded’.

    The result of this world wide power grabbing can be seen world wide, there is economic growth, but those with salaries have more and more trouble in making end meet, the Yellow Vest revolution.
    At the same time the rich get richer.

    The problem, in my usual immodest opinion is simple, just the nation state can protect its citizens.
    But as we all know, the nation state is fascist, racist, causes wars, perpetrates genocide in gas chambers.
    More or less simple minded leaders, in my opinion with good intentions, such as Corbyn and Mélenchon are intellectually and emotionally incable of seeing their dilemma, a dilemma that does not exist.

    THE evil nation state was Germany, we all know this, w’re even now told this daily.
    That Germans are victims since 1914, impossible.

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  378. @Mike P

    Impossible to know for sure if the relatively limited blood baths in France, and elsewhere, Boston, Madrid, London, were organised by the west, or that the west knew what would happen, but did nothing to prevent them.
    None of those convicted for Madrid confessed, questions about CCTV cameras that accidentally did not function were never answered.
    There also still are unanswered Lockerby questions, but more more or less similar events have never been properly investigated, such as Diana.
    Same as with Sept 11, not impossible that indeed Muslims planned this, but that those in the USA who wanted a ‘new Pearl Harbour’ decided to let them do what they wanted, or, the explosives, gave a helping hand.
    But this is just details.

    Clear is that the west is interested in Muslim terrorism, the Patriot Act seems to have been written before Sept 11, as LendLease seems to have been written in 1937.

    Unable to see much difference between the last three French presidents: Hollande, Sarkozy, Macron.
    Maybe the main difference: Macron’s lack of political experience, no idea about the French people.
    His Jupiter speech in Versailles, complete megalomania.
    Transportation costs were € five million.

    His ministers, such as the minister of labour, living in a dream world.
    She’s the former Danone HRM CEO, BFM published one of her Danone pep talks, unbelievably naïve.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  379. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I’m really sorry, I must tell you that I don’t have enough time to pursue the talk about the chattel system. As I’m French, it take lot of times for me to write in English, and I strongly prefers to keep most of my time/energy on the topic which made me coming here, that is the Yellow Vests movment.

    That’s cool, Parisian Guy. I can ‘run wild’ sometimes. ;-)

    It was good to learn about the Lee comment which agrees with my analysis. And you are true, the story written by the North prefers not to think about. That may explain why this analysis, although obvious to me, is never found in any book. By the way, it’s only my own analysis. I’did not take it from some expert, therefore its value is what it is. I’ll only add that I learnt the history and theory of international trade, so you can trust about the economic facts I told you.

    I am a big believer in ‘follow the money’ as it often reveals much. Regarding the tariff aspect, here’s where I wonder (won’t explore it here) about possible ulterior motives on the North’s part as an economic tool/weapon to ‘force the South’s hand’ and about possible regional elites broader power struggle. It is said historically the colonial South, and then states for a time, had the predominance of power in British North America.

    Since Trump election I spent much more time watching what happened in White House than at l’Elysée. First because that’s where the world power is, with the declining empire problem, and second because this White House is a thing never been seen before.

    You’re wise to retain a weariness about the books surrounding Trump, not that I particularly care for him.

    Good idea about keeping a close watch on the White House too for the world power aspect. Certainly since 1900 (special relationship) the US/UK bloc has had almost overwhelming global power. Some say the British Empire was already approaching something like global hegemony from just prior to the 1776 Revolution.

    Related somewhat, I think one of your entries commented momentarily on Freemasonry, an organization to be aware of.

    There’s a website operated by an apparent distant relation of Jonathan Belcher, first ‘native born’ Freemason in British North America. He, though he doesn’t say it, is apparently a Mason in good standing himself.

    One should be cautious naturally.

    I’ve linked below a couple of his exceptional essays that you might find of interest regarding France. The first delves deeply into the relationship between prominent Anglo-Saxon and French Freemasons and their activities in France during the 1780′s just prior to the 1789 French Revolution. The second link details the geo-politics of the struggle between the British and French Empire’s for control of North America in what is part of what they call in Europe the Seven Years War and in the US is called the French and Indian War.

    Read and respond to only if you are able and have the time.

    Because now it looks like the necessary conditions have met for an historic time.

    I wish the French people the best whatever transpires. While I’ve not been to France (I must go sometime) I’ve watched a lot of the old Gaumont Studio films (Fantômas was one of them). France seems to be a beautiful land with beautiful people.

    Let us know what’s going on in your country. It’s all very interesting.

    http://www.belcherfoundation.org/trilateral_center.htm

    http://www.belcherfoundation.org/camerica.htm

  380. @Anon

    Ockam ‘the simplest theory that explains the facts is the best’.
    French in 2005 voted against the EU, yet also Franc signed the Lisbon Treaty, as EP members said ‘they do not know what they’re doing’.
    And so France entered the neoliberal era.

    France has, as all S European countries, a long history of devaluations and monetary reforms to solve economic problems.
    A currency devaluation is painful, imports are getting more expensive, but in the country nothing changes.
    The euro took away this adjustment mechanism.

    In stead, to make France competitive again, lowering of wages, pensions, social security payments, etc.
    Anyone immediately feels the consequences.

    Lowering of wages takes, economists agree on, ten years or more, devaluation has immediate effects.
    The past few years saw quite a few strikes and insurrections in France, suppose that most of them never got into USA news.
    Power of labour unions was slowly eroded by new laws.

    But now this Jupiter had the idea of reforming France thoroughly, and quickly.
    The ordinary French people had enough already for years, in the past thirteen years in most years we were many months in France, a country not resembling LA, as does the Netherlands.
    We have relatively rich French neighbours, one couple he a banker, she a medical doctor.
    But even with them I the last few years had the idea that they have trouble making ends meet.

    So, I can do without elaborate conspiracy theories.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  381. @Parisian Guy

    ” The € is needed to stay free of the $ and Yuan dominance. It will stay above all the own money of each country. ”
    Money is one of the subjects most people do not understand.
    Therefore the euro will stay until the bitter end, that I expect to be soon.
    My experience over quite a few years is that trying to explain something about money is hopeless.
    History is full of incomprehension about money, and the catastrophes this ignorance caused.
    Just read
    Charles P. Kindleberger, ‘A Financial History of Western Europe’, 1984, London, Boston, Sydney
    Nobody, it seems, takes the trouble to read a textbook on monetary theory.
    My idea is that one of the things that will be written in future history books about Macron is how he, but he did not know what he was doing, yet he worked for a bank, yesterday in fact abolished the euro in France, and re introduced the French Franc.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  382. Mike P says:
    @jilles dykstra

    With each of these terror events, there are two questions – (1) was it done by the party that got blamed in public, and (2) was the event really of the magnitude that was reported. Unfortunately, I didn’t make this distinction clear in my question.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that 9/11 was (1) not done by “Muslims” – one must be wilfully blind to ignore this, and (2) had real victims, but – (3), here at least we have to distinguish a third aspect – was done deceptively, using explosives and possibly guided missiles rather than abducted airplanes. However, I hope we can avoid cluttering up this thread with 9/11 arguments.

    Regarding the large scale attacks in France and elsewhere in Europe: after 9/11, I consider that the burden of proof that this was done by anyone else than Israeli/Western secret services rests with them, and they have not proven it. So, by default, if the events were real, they are just today’s “Operation Gladio.”

    Thanks to both you and Parisian Guy for your replies.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  383. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” W. R. Hearst

    Good quote of Hearst of the ‘yellow journalism’ fame. Whatever one thinks of the guy he did have a certain salesman charisma about him.

    About these types of events, as you allude, in many instances they can by the establishment be ‘allowed’ to happen. There’s always plenty of crazy people with ideas that can be located, allowed to carry out plans, even be ‘guided’ and ‘helped along’ from a distance a bit.

    There’s been instances such as the first World Trade Towers bombing where FBI had person(s) deeply embedded in the plot observing and then ‘drops the ball’ in stopping it.

    Having said that, if no ‘crazy’ person happens to be available for their purposes I don’t think it’s impossible that ‘cabals’ within establishments can engage in a more ‘hands on’ approach, though still keeping some distance.

    About the ‘yellow jacket’ think, last night I heard on one of the AM stations, and have seen elsewhere, talk of ‘yellow jacket’ phenomena coming to US. Not too serious though. [In US present day 'mainstream' 'Left' corporate media are for now alloted the main television networks, so called 'Right' is allotted backwater 'AM' radio stations.]

    As has been mentioned this manufactured dialectic of Left/Right, Cap/Com, etc that’s been at play since 1776 – 1789 has got to be brought to a close at some point with the ‘synthesis’ of everyone ‘coming together’, though still quite controlled by powers behind scenes. [John Lennon's 'Come Together' might be it's theme song.] The Yellow Jacket movement if not wholly real could be part of that. We’ll see.

    Glad to hear France has been relatively quiet for some time since that terrible event.

  384. anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @tac

    France prides itself on being a beacon of democracy, human rights, and a model for the rest of humanity on the one hand….

    did the French people actually decide this or was it the same old (((“Give us your tired, your poor…”))) BS foisted upon them

  385. @jilles dykstra

    Few people realise that the predictions of Marx were fairy tales.

    Yes his predictions failed. So what?

    First, you have bound yourself to the task to show me one man (I need only one) whom predictions never failed. I predict you’ll fail.

    Second, the topics here is the value of the Marx’s anlysis of democracy, not the value of it’s predictions.

    By the way, most of economics/politics predictions fail. Don’t they? So what?

    There is two possible cause for prediction failing:
    1- The analysis/theory it was built upon was wrong.
    2- Some tier factor intervened, which was not in the scope of the analysis/theory.

    Since no human brain can build an analysis/theory which would cousiders the whole of factors which could influence the future outcome of politics/economics, the cause number 2 happens very often. Therefore, on economics/politics matters, translating “wrong predictions” in “wrong analysis” is forbiden until it is verified that no tier factor intervened.

    You are quite smart enough that I’m sure I did not teach you a lot until here. You knew all that. Nevertheless you decided to use that irrelevant point: “Marx’s predictions failed”.

    Why did you behave this way? Because you don’t want to know about what Marx said about capitalism and politics. I guess you are not on the proletarian side of the society. So you have to delegitimate Marxian narrative, because it could destroy the narrative which legitimates the economic statute you’re enjoying, in order to keep that enjoyment.

    I beg your pardon for speaking so directly to you. If I had speak more diplomatically, and we went in a gentle argument, it would have be endless (I strongly miss free time). So I preferred to tell you all my axioms about, thus directly going to the heart of the reasons why we will ever disagree about Marx.

    Furthermore, you did not want to think about it (willing blindness!), but you already knows the cause of Marx’s prediction failing.
    It is obvious: Top of capitalist elites considered Marx predictions when Lenin showed them that they could translate in real life. Thus they feared that their privileges could be destroyed by communist countries and their relaying Communist Party. Therefore, when cutting the cake, they gave to salarymen a share large enough to make egalitarian Communist Revolution less atractive. Here came social-democracy, keynesianism, french CNR Program in 1945, nanny-state and so on.
    A strong cue validating this report is this basic fact: As soon as communist countries lost myghtiness, the elite’s fear of communist revolutions went away, then the still progress of salarymen condition quickly reversed. The coincidence is very clear in case of WestGermany. Since the german capitalist elites could not afford both communist T34 on their border and some kind of “Yellow Vests” movment inside.
    Israel Itzak Shamir has same views than mine, about this link between the rise and fall of communism myghtiness on one side, and the life conditions of salarimen in capitalist societies on the other side.

  386. @jilles dykstra

    Power of labour unions was slowly eroded by new laws.
    Which law?

    Unionization has almost disapeared in private company, because people were afraid that being member of union will make harder for them to get advancment, and keep their job. High joblessness in France made this fear acute.
    Furthermore, generally speaking, all the very top managment of unions are pupetts. Even when, like in public service, they still could be very effective, they ever ever fails in the end. French are beginning to understand this treason. This the reason why unions are not welcomed in most of Yellow Vests local group.

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  387. @Iris

    I’m sorry to tell you how wrong you are about Holland versus Macron.

    First consider that a large majority of those anti-zionist which voted againt Macron and despised him, are recongnizing the good fact: Macron is quite less zionist than Holland and Sarkozy. Holland was the worst.

    We do not care about what Holland said. He did not achieve. He’s known for being quite an hypocritical, cynical and liar. His call to Putin was for domestic use. Even the HuffPo paper mentions that many french opinions, at this time, asked for an exit of terrorism by speaking to Putin. So liar Holland gave lip service.
    He made up this show, whose final chapter was scripted this way: “Look, I tried but it was not possible to achieve because of blahblahblah”

    Never had France saw a so much zionist President. It’s Obama who in 2013 retained Holland to really bomb Syria. It is Holland foreign affair minister ((((((Fabius)))))) who relentlessly tried as strongly as possible to derail the making of the JCPOA agreement with Iran. This Fabius went upto publicly saying that “Al Quaeda in Syria was doing good work” (verbatim).

    Although he is retired, Holland recently made statements despising the man Putin. You could also find on the internet the opinion of Serguei Lavrov about Fabius.

    Every member of the first Holland government had jewish link, but for those who had only masonic link.

    Do you need more? I’ve no time, but you’ll find a lot with google translation in the archives of “Revue de Presse” of egaliteetreconciliation.fr website

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  388. I happen to be an economist.
    Marx’ main prediction was the concentration of wealth in ever fewer hands, therefore his propganda for seizure of the power by the proletariat.
    This concentration never happened because Marx had no idea about economy.
    Anyone who tried to read Das Kapital stopped at page twenty or so, nonsense.

    Now about predictions by economists that are fullfilled, the Dutch CPB accomplishes this all the time.
    All those people pretending to be economists, but in reality are no more than journalists and political commentators, I never took their stories seriously.
    The seventy Dutch economists who in 1997 warned that the euro could not function, their prediction became truth.

    I read
    Francis Wheen, ‘Karl Marx, A life’, New York 2000
    but, of course, when I went to university Marx was mentioned, not as an economist, of course.

    Marx’ analysis of democracy.
    No idea what you’re talking about.

    So I wonder what we are talking about.
    Why did Marx have influence ?
    Suppose his Das Kapital, though being nonsense economically, came at the ‘right’ moment, based on Engels’ study of living and working conditions in GB around 1840.
    Horrible.
    ‘Right’, here, moment to ideologically justify destroying tsarist Russia, murdering the tsarist family, and causing the flight of nearly anyone in Russia with education.
    George Macaulay Trevelyan, ‘The Life of John Bright’, 1913, London, 1971, Westport, Connecticut
    Bright, a Qaker, succeeded, abolition of Corn Laws, to improve the lives of ordinary people.

    ” I guess you are not on the proletarian side of the society. So you have to delegitimate Marxian narrative, because it could destroy the narrative which legitimates the economic statute you’re enjoying, in order to keep that enjoyment. ”
    I always wonder what makes people writing such statements.

    Here in the Netherlands in 1918 the socialist leader Troelstra had, according to a book about him I did not read, ten days in which he could have caused the revolution.
    He decided on gradual change, what succeeded.

    In tsarist Russia, based on Marx’ ideology the bolsjewists coup, antidemocratic, was in November 1917.
    In the thirties income per capita in the USSR was again at the 1905 tsarist level.
    ‘What if’ in history is no more than speculation, but I now speculate that without a Marx possibly the world would have been spared a lot of misery.

    As to my economic statue, I worked, now I’m a pensioner.
    Cannot see what my views, and most views, on Marx, would have changed in my life.

    As to government in the USSR, I can recommend
    F.W. Deakin and G.R. Storry, ‘The case of Richard Sorge’, New York, 1966
    The book made me realise what happens to a country when the whole intelligentsia is chased away, so that people of the Chrustjow level begin to rule.
    A disaster, that finally collapsed in 1990.

  389. @Parisian Guy

    You pretend to be French.
    Yet you consistenly write Holland in stead of Hollande.
    There is no doubt in my mind that Hollande supports Israel, but I also see no reason at all to doubt that a former Rothschild banker supports Israel.

  390. @Parisian Guy

    Did you or do you really live in France ?
    For quite a number of years laws were introduced reducing the power of labour unions.
    Do not think I’m going to dig up these laws.
    But maybe this helps: possibly Macron had the illusion that, having taken power away from the unions he hates, he could now do what he likes, with his 375 or so seats in the 600 seat parliament.
    What he did not expect is that French would rebel in large numbers without leaders.
    What he, I suppose, even less expected is that the absence of leaders would make it impossible for him to negotiate.
    Thus his yesterday unconditional surrender.

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  391. @Iris

    the gunmen who shot down at Paris restaurant terraces just before the Bataclan events: they have simply vanished.

    These are those I spoke about. They were caught and killed by french forces few days later. That is an effective way to vanish and keep mute. The only survivor is Salah Abdeslam who’s caught by Belgians later.

    In the panamza’article, the related facts say this: these mass murders were made with complicity of Mossad, which worked in order to make the pictures (cf. W.R. Hearst say).
    Could the whole purpose of the scheme be something other than pushing France againt Daesh, that is actually bomb and destroy Syria. You must remember that after 2013 Obama refusal, Israël had only France usable to do this dirty job.
    And we know Holland let it happen. I need you to explain me how this is not the proof of Holland zionism.

    Anyways, thanks for the panamza link. I missed it, because since Panamza goes too far in conspiracy search sometimes, I don’t watch it regularly. That link adds credit to the Mossad false flag hypothesis.

  392. @Mike P

    ” Regarding the large scale attacks in France and elsewhere in Europe ”
    In my opinion there were no large scale attacks whatsoever.
    I’m not going into detail, for obvious reasons, but who wants to harm a modern state really does quite other things.
    But, who did what, and who knew what was going to happen, even with MH17 these questions have not been answered, as they were not with regard to Lockerby.

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  393. @jilles dykstra

    I agree about low understanding of money
    Is’it teached in school? Is it a matter without importance?
    The ignorance is made by design.

    You may be giving too much weight to the minister statement; Lot of ministers have spoke differently from Macron that day, so they are not the Macron voice.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2018/12/10/macron-a-contredit-certains-de-ses-ministres-pendant-son-allocution_a_23614606/?ncid=other_topvideos_cp1pj3fgmfs&utm_campaign=top_videos

  394. tac says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I believe that you misunderstood the satirical tone, the subtle swipes, and the underlying hyperbole in my previous statement, but that’s fine. I am not naive to these realities, not in the least. Nonetheless, to exemplify my cynicism let me leave you with an article written in French, in which you can see to what extent the Macron regime was willing to undertake in order to stay in power:

    https://www.marianne.net/societe/gilets-jaunes-paris-police-arme-secrete

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  395. @utu

    As I told you, I had not time that years and I did not looked much about the carrier departure.

    Let’s do the assumption it was following a scheme whose Bataclan was part of.
    I guess that you suggest the planned war was stopped, and this has relation with the SU24?

    On the other side, the mainstream theory could have been: East Meditteranee is actually a better location for projecting strikes on ISIS in Iraq, because, if I remember correctly, ISIS was mainly in North and West of Irak. I don’t know if strikes on ISIS were made inside Syria. In any case, Bachar’s forces were not bombed.

    So,
    -either they really wanted to strike only ISIS (but there was no need of bataclan for that),
    -either they were aimed at Assad Syria, but they did nothing , waiting for some condition, unknown from me, which was never met. So they only did a little against ISIS, for the needed show.
    I have no idea of what the link with SU24 could be

  396. @jilles dykstra

    Well, so what?

    I write in english these days so much that I think in English. And i write so so much more than I’m used to, that my brain is exhausted, continously strugling for translation; It translated what should have not been, and I did not even notice I used the english form.

    The name of this president is related to Holland. That is: his ((ancestors)) came from here. That’s an important point of the matter.
    You are used to the correct name of the president being different to the correct name of the country; I’m not, and because of the ancestor relation, I may have been pushed to incounciously equate the two names since the deep meaning of the name of the president is”(((from Holland)))”. So I translated the word without being conscious of doing that.

    Let’s go further in the analysis.
    On the base of a light cue, you suddenly accuses me to be a non-French who pretends to be French.
    In short, you show me as a liar.

    How suddenly! How light is the cue!

    May be you had your own motive to pretend I’m a liar.

    Could it be related to that just before your accusation, it happened this:
    I told you were practising “willing blindness”; That is a kind of dishonesty, lying to himself.
    And you responded at first by practicing more “willing blindness”.

    For instance, you said that:

    Marx’ main prediction was the concentration of wealth in ever fewer hands, therefore his propganda for seizure of the power by the proletariat.
    This concentration never happened because Marx had no idea about economy.

    This concentration happened. It went later, because of the USSR as I explained in my previous comment, but it happened, whitout any doubt. It is here, right before our eyes. You know it, you know the datas about how so few people, right now, own a so big part of the world wealth.

    You know so much of the reality of the wealth concentration that you couldn’t keep yourself from beginning to feel that yes, you had been practicing “willing blindness” when you stated the quoted sentences (and you continued somewhat after that).
    That is, you had been lying to yourself. Well that’s not a deadly sin. But this fact doesn’t goes with the “honnest man” picture you have from yourself. So the picture was lowered. What could you do?

    Well, you did what most humans do in such case, control damage. That is, at least try to keep at the same level than others. You had no way to push-up your picture of yourself at the moment. Therefore the only way was to try to lower the Otherbody. You could for instance have said explicitly “French Guy is a liar”. But the trick was too obvious, too childish. As you are a rational adult, you needed a rational base which justifies your statement. And your statement will appear as an implicit consequence of a fact, not as a baseless personnal opinion.
    Thus you could deny to anybody, and to yourself, to see that you were doing nothing more than control damage for the lowered picture of yourself.

    What comes next? My own budget dos not allow me to ask Putin for prompt delivery of one thousand S-400 missiles. So, I have to reluctantly stop the game, try a truce, and add this: I’m not saying “You are the dishonnest”. Lot of honnest people behave as you did, knowing neither what they actually do, neither why they do it.
    But, well, well. Pride is an ennemy of the true knowledge. Money interest can be, too.

  397. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Thanks for your take on it. I understand it is very hard to predict anything at this point. I can see why Marine LePen is seen as a disappointment.

  398. @jilles dykstra

    Do not think I’m going to dig up these laws.

    Well I believe you will need to dig. Then you will find nothing material.

    Here is the reason:
    Nobody in France rant about the topic of modification of union law. If ther had been some new law, it did not had practical consequence. If it was otherwise, that would have been one the main claims we wouls heard today.
    Furthermore, there had been large strike this year, around June or July. I did not see that those unions which still have members have lost their power.

    What you may have seen is a new law that only the union apparatus opposed, because it threatened their rent and their life tenure. But no ordinary worker was concerned.
    I notice you are saying again I’m a liar.
    Suddenly, everything which looks wrong or strange to your eyes became a cue that I’m lying about myself…. This started right after I spoke about your “willing blindness”… It never happened before…

    About the unconditionnal surrender of Macron: did you read the speech of Mélenchon? He wanted to destroy the Macron’offer. There is several tricks in the offer. It could be seen by someone well versed in economics. Mélenchon saw showed them perfectly. He find its brain when he’s not wanting to play dumbness. By the way, I’m a psychologist by education. These top political guys had been in the scenery for many many years. When I told you he’s smart and faking dumbness, you should have give more credit to my advice.

  399. @jilles dykstra

    Huhhh, 130 bleeding corpses on the Bataclan day is not enough to say it was a large attack?

    I do not understant the “wants to harm a large state” sentence; terrorism purpose is not to harm state but to inject fears in its citizens brains.

  400. @tac

    I don’t want you to be cynical, but to think about what you do. Just be careful of not beeing played by evil forces who uses some rare knowledge of the real working of the human brain. This brain was inherited from animals. It doesn’t always looks for the good.

  401. Anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    Leading French politician Bernard-Henri Lévy, Major promoter of the war that destroyed Libya, demonizes yellow vests, says “they place themselves in the tradition of paranoid nihilism and pollute their ranks with the political vandals that France still produces in abundance.”

    See: https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/yellow-vests-or-brown-shirts-by-bernard-henri-levy-2018-12

    “Notre cher BHL, cher à nos coeurs, essaye de nous montrer le droit chemin en prétendant incarner le bien et il a bien raison, car il détient la vérité, bref ce clown pseudo humaniste n’est en fait qu’un pauvre illuminé sioniste, en d’autres termes.”

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @anon
  402. @jilles dykstra

    I also see no reason at all to doubt that a former Rothschild banker supports Israel.

    There is one: the testimony of a french guy, myself, who had been watching macron everyday. May be you could remember that you did not spend so much time, and did not own all the data for interpreting the cue. I already explained to you but I’ll repeat: It is immodest to believe you have as much data than a real French. This is the root cause why you “ see no reason”: you did not watch for these reasons to doubt. You sees what comes. You hears the say that other says.

    The Rothschild meme is everywhere. So, you take it first. For myself, I estimate how heavy it is as a proof of zionism for Macron.

    The real story is not:
    Macron started by being a salaryman of Master Rothschild. Then someday Master noticed how little Macron was a good and smart boy, and ordered him to take Elysée. This is the childish Rothschild meme.

    The real story is:
    Since its young age, little Macron had hopes of a great destiny.
    It was knew since long that ((Jacques Attali)) was the King Maker, who made Sarkozy elected in 2007 and Hollande in 2012. (furthermore, one year ago, Attali boasted to know the name of next President. Such avow was utterly stupid, but probably he was angry to publicly recall to president Macron who the real boss was. Attali also stated publicly that macron presidency could end prematurely if macron didn’t changes his way of doing. That was 3 months before Yellow Vests…).
    In 2007 Attali presided a committee, “Commission Attali”, who draws the map for all reforms to be applied afterwards in France (presidents sarkozy, hollande et macron followed the map with lot of delays). I don’t know how Macron managed to get in touch with Attali but he was a working member of that commission. Then someday Master Attali noticed how little Macron (aged 29) was a good and smart boy, and begun to think about him for President election. But Macron was young, and there was Sarkozy now, and Dominique Strauss-Kahn to come after.
    So, for now, how to spend time better than by completing the education of little Macron?
    In 2008, Macron was sent to work as a business banker inside Rothschild Bank. Let’s say he was teached how to be a good Rothschild poodle.
    Then, to educate more, when Holland get elected, Macron was sent sucessively to the two best positions for getting needed experience before presidency: second chief of staff of l’Elysée and chief of Elysée economic cabinet, then in 2014 Economy Minister.
    In 2016 he launches his campaign. Holland complains that he wanted to run, but could no more because of Macron. He say he had been played by Macron. One month before election, its outcome is certain and at this time the pupett could not be replaced by another, should the need arise. Practically, poodle Macron is already independent. And there is a strange incident showing Macron and Attali are already getting nervous against each other.

    What I mean: the Big Brain of that story is Macron. Is he still a pupett of Rotschild and Attali? The only certain fact is that from 2007 to 2017 Rothschild-Attali believed that Macron was their puppet, and he behaved perfectly that way.

    Macron did not come from the ground where Attali, Sarkozy, Holland came from. He was an outsider. He had no reason to be zionism inclined. He had great ambitions for himself and the brain to make them happen. But whatever his heart was about zionism, he had to play pupett or renounce his dream.
    Thus Macron was Rothschild Banker and Attali poodle. Was he sincere? It was constrained, but once he’s elected, where are the wires which moves the pupett? What does constrain him to loyalty for his previous masters?

    What does the Rothschild meme means about Macron zionism?
    How could the mandatory uniform be a cue of the real taste of someone about clothes? Maybe that someone loves the uniform, may be not. You can’t know that.
    The Rothschild meme is neither a proof, neither a cue.

    Thus you must watch for cues in the way he behave. Did he make lip service? Did he make real achievment?

    Well, It took me several months to understand that its agenda was not the Israël one.

    Basically, almost everytime there had been a veiled attack against Macron, coming from someone in the side which supported its election the most, that someone was Jewish.
    And I already explained about Putin and Syria. Plus there is JCPOA. Hollande/Fabius tried to derail it, Macron works to keep it. These are facts that Hollande would never have made.

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  403. Not understanding money by design.
    You of course are entitled to your suspicions.
    Alas books on monetary theory exist galore, so, if money is not understood, these books are not read or not understood.
    My conclusion, after several decades: not understood.

    About concentration of wealth in all the time fewer people, can you tell me where you see this, or where it happened ?

    You can continue denying that in France unions no longer agree wages for all workers of say metal Industries, and continue denying that wages now must be negotiated for each enterprise.

    You are a psychologist, I see. Indeed, that makes you an expert in economics and politics.
    I of course did not read speeches, it is completely unimportant what politicians say, what is important is what they do;

    ” I do not understant the “wants to harm a large state” sentence; terrorism purpose is not to harm state but to inject fears in its citizens brains. ”
    Who wants to harm a modern state, so that it hurts, and forces a state to change its behaviour, must interrupt the economy.
    It is not difficult, but I’m not giving examples.
    What the purpose of terrorism is you must ask those who commit terror.
    Anyone with some brains understands that Sept 11 and Bataclan just hurt the Muslim cause.
    So there are two possibilties: the terrorists are stupid, or the terrorists are western secret services.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  404. @Anon

    Jewry does not want, and/or fears nationalism.
    Maybe they are right, jews have, or had, hardly any trouble in the USA cultural stew, jews liked the multi cultural Habsburg empire.
    Anyone who has some interest in the emergence of antisemitism in the unified Germany after 1870, where jews had equal rights, understands that the Rothschild who around 1890 wrote to another Rotschild was right.
    He wrote ‘the only enemy of jews is jews’.
    In fact Katz writes the same, and Schorsch, but the last book needs close reading in order to see that nobody can defend his own case.
    Thus, what Lévy says about he Yellow Vests, how predictable.
    At the same time, what a pity that jews have learned nothing from their history.
    ‘From prejudice to destruction’, Jacob Katz, 1980, Cambridge MA
    Ismar Schorsch, ‘Jewish Reactions to German Anti-Semitism, 1870 – 1914′, New York 1972

  405. @Parisian Guy

    Your interpretations are quite interesting.
    I wish I was so sure.
    Often with me it is no more than sentences as ‘I see no reason’.
    So, now, I see no reason to change my views on Macron.
    I wonder how many books I read about Hitler.
    Do I now think I understand the man ?
    Possibly.
    Merkel still is active in politics.
    In my opinion she’s a disaster, she may succeed in what Hitler did not accomplish, the destruction of the Germans as a people, a very successfull culture.
    Do I understand her ?
    I have a theory, that is all.
    What makes Macron tick ?
    I really do not know, ‘as mad as a hatter’, as Merkel, maybe psychiatrists could examine the man, and explain.

  406. anon[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Leading French politician Bernard-Henri Lévy, Major promoter of the war that destroyed Libya, demonizes yellow vests, says “they place themselves in the tradition of paranoid nihilism and pollute their ranks with the political vandals that France still produces in abundance.”

    can you imagine a Chinese-American saying this about the US and other Americans?

    • Replies: @Anon
  407. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @anon

    Since he did such a great job with Libya, he should go live there.

  408. @jilles dykstra

    Not understanding money by design.
    You of course are entitled to your suspicions.
    Alas books on monetary theory exist galore, so, if money is not understood, these books are not read or not understood.
    My conclusion, after several decades: not understood.

    These are not ‘my suspicions’. It is the most probable hypothesis.
    Unfortunately for you, I will not let you tell one more time “this man has no authority and only utter ‘suspicion’ a la Parisian Guy or ‘non sense’ a la Marx”. Since you are an expert in economics, aren’t you, you know the Founding Fathers of economic science. After Smith and Ricardo came Leon Walras, who’s the father of the General Equilibrium Theory. So, the judgment of Walras was that the academic teaching of economic science had been owned by the capitalist men. It was more than one century ago.
    You may ask yourself if that’s still true. I will not teach you that the reference periodic for economists is The Economist, which is controled by Rotschild. Neither will I teach you that in order to get a tenure with authority to decide what will be the knowledge to be teached, one must acumulate authoring of many articles in reputed academic journals. And you know that these journals are owned by corporations such Elsevier for instance. And these corporations are owned by the banking and investment industry. So the bank industry decides what research (founded by?) result will be published, and who will get high level tenure in university.

    What’s the purpose? May I introduce you to another excellent Johnstone who wrote Society Is Made Of Narrative. Realizing This Is Awakening From The Matrix.

    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/society-is-made-of-narrative-realizing-this-is-awakening-from-the-matrix-787c7e2539ae

    In short: the narrative controls the way you think about the the real world. Who controls the narrative controls the world. If you are here at Unz Review, you already know some instance of that principle.
    Old Rothschild said who controls a country’money, he will controls that country. That’s true as long as people believe the Rothschild money has value. So the top power is detained by the one who controls the narrative since he controls what’s believed. Of course, both Media and Money powers have intermarried. But the control of media by Money Power has extended to academic media, especially in economics.
    Thus, the academic teaching is controlled by Money Power. That’ why you have so many blindspot. You had been teached (and may be, you have teached) an economic knowledge which has been altered in the interest of Money Power. You did not asked yourself a lot about this possibility since this knowledge alteration did not had consequences for yourself.
    But it had heavy consequences for the lowest class. They would have strong motive to look after the truthness of the official economic science. The simplest way was therefore to make them unable to understand anythinhg. That’s why most of the people doesn’t have any teaching in economics. They will have to trust others. There is the TV pseudo-experts, and there is the academics, like you. Unfortunately you peddle modified science because you believes in it. And you have strong motives to never admit that a better truth could come from other people without degree. Because your degrees and your expertness are part of your pride.

    As a great genius, which I like much, recently said: “Pride is an ennemy of the true knowledge. Money interest can be, too.”

    You complain that people did not understood books. Seriously, how could it be otherwise. People only have knowledge of it by their daily experience. It gave them prejudice about the way they imagine the money mechanic at the nation scale. Since you’re an economist, you remembers, don’t you, Keynes told about that burden of “usual way of thinking” in the preface of its General Theory. This prejudiced state of the mind could have been prevented if the concept of economics were presented at school, as soon as possible. Money matter.

    You have yourself admitted that economists on TV are bullshitter. Why is it that way? Why can I watch on TV a serious documentary about one historic topic, but I cannot about economics? Why?

    So I stand by the strong hypothesis that the people ignorance is by design.
    Another instance of “ignorance by design”:
    Did you read the european constitutional treaty? Was it not redacted in a form which made him non understandable?

    About concentration of wealth in all the time fewer people, can you tell me where you see this, or where it happened ?

    In year 2018 after Christ birth, on the third planet of the solar system.
    1) as an expert, you’ve read about Thomas Piketty work
    2) I could be wrong, but I believe you are connected to the internet, so you know the meme “8 men own as much as the poorest half of the planet”. Is it untrue?

    You can continue denying that in France unions no longer agree wages for all workers of say metal Industries, and continue denying that wages now must be negotiated for each enterprise.

    I never was denying these law you are referencing now for the first time. On the contrary, I predicted you’ll find something like that, but no more. What I denied was that there had been new “union law”, as you pretended. These you display now are not “union law”. These are about the bargaining process and the “accords de branche”. Do you see there is a differnce between “union law” and “bargain law”, like there is between “corporate law” and “trade law”? Your improper and confusing vocabulary made impossible for me to, at least, clearly recall and/or guess what law you were speaking about.
    That would have helped, because, not only you referenced improperly to them, but you improperly described their context. You said they were part of the continuous lowering conditions of lower classes in last 30 years or so, which explains YVests. They are not. Because 1)nobody rant about it today, 2)they are very recent, 3) they mostly will not touch the lower classes and YV who had no bargaining power anyway 4)they will have mixed consequences 5)the undoubtedly bad ones are against top union hierarchy own benefit. (they could not anymore blackmail for high pot-de-vin). This may explains why these tops did so much noise at the time. May be you heard it and you took for people rant what actually was the personal union tops rant.
    I predicted you that you will only find unmaterial thing, but for union hierachy.
    Thanks to your new habit to not respect the automatic linking between comment from the same thread, the non failure of my prediction could have been missed. This new habit also add the advantage that it made quite harder to see how you almost played everybody by altering the record of our previous statements. How convenient! Was it only unconscious willing misreading?

    You are a psychologist, I see. Indeed, that makes you an expert in economics and politics.

    It made me a tried practicer on the problem of blindspots in economics. For the rest I had been educated also in some part of sciences, with quite enough statistics proficiency, that it was not so hard to self-teach about some economic questions.
    And I’ve read some economic history, about the real economic life, let’s say Fernand Braudel School. So, knowledge of data can be enough to speedily find that there are some “academic knowledge” which is bullshit.
    By the way, that’s bullshit also by design. These errors did not happen by accident. I will believes the “accident” apologies the one day when I will see “accidental” errors which gave bonus to the poors, not always to the richs or powerfuls.

    I of course did not read speeches, it is completely unimportant what politicians say, what is important is what they do.

    Of course. Unfortunately, thus you did not get what this speech was saying about the doing of Mélenchon at this time of the YV movment. Thas is: 1) Since he spoke three minutes after Macron, the relevantness and well constructedness of that speech shows that he had previous knowledge of the Macron’s speech content. How could he? 2) He choiced to make a speech which effectively destroyed Macron offer. These are political doings. To judge by yourself about my analysis you had to read the Mélenchon speech.

    Who wants to harm a modern state, so that it hurts, and forces a state to change its behaviour, must interrupt the economy.
    What the purpose of terrorism is you must ask those who commit terror.
    Anyone with some brains understands that Sept 11 and Bataclan just hurt the Muslim cause.
    So there are two possibilties: the terrorists are stupid, or the terrorists are western secret services.

    You don’t consider that terrorism could be effective enough to forces a state to change its way. Here is the trick which works for democratic state: Because of fear, people can’t keep themselves to command the government to do one or another act. That’s powerful: if government does not act, he’ll be fired as soon as possible. Because of fear is a powerful motive.

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    , @S
  409. I wonder why you take the trouble to write such long reactions to me.
    I’m really sorry that I see not much worth replying to, but I’ll do my best to give you, in my opinion, fair answers, though, I’m quite sure, you will not like them.
    I’ve been thrown off discussion sites so many times that I really forgot how often, my explanation is that most people cannot stand it if they get detailed answers they’re unable to refute.

    The present day CO2 religion, any time I explain the facts about CO2 ppm figures in recent and long ago history, indisputable, that is, I nowhere ever found these figurces disputed, the answer you get is silence.
    Creationism seems to be a common human escape mechanism.
    The university of Iowa seems to have shown, that whenever a religion is confronted with facts at odds with the religion, the religion becomes more intense, does not change.
    But here we go, in order to protect yourself you can now stop reading.

    This Walras does not ring a bell.
    Adam Smith indeed was an economist, he explained in Wealth of Nations that not gold and silver, but the productive capacity of a country determined how prosperous it was.
    Very few people understand what economics is, and indeed, this seems not to be easy.
    The best book explaining what economics is is, in my opinion
    Lionel Robbins, ‘An Essay on the Nature and Significance of Economic Science’, Oxford 1932
    In 1963, at my university, it was judged as ‘too difficult’, thus removed from the list of obligtory literature.
    Varoufakis is of the opinion that macro economics has not been taught anywhere since 1970, stupidity of many present day ‘economists’ seems to confirm his statement.

    I am not interested at all in what the Economist writes, or Elsevier.
    Since 1980 already I’m flabbergasted at the stupidity of financial journalists.
    The occasion was the yearly report of a Dutch bank, Westland Utrecht.
    Anyone with some brains could have seen that the bank was bankrupt, my opinion, no journalist concluded this, in 1981 the bank went bankrupt.

    Of course stories do not control the world, stories just control what many people think is true.
    ‘Think’, in this respect, ‘accept as truth’, either because they make no effort to analyse the story, or because they’re unable to do this.
    Keynes understood this ‘ideas are the most powerful in the world’.
    He did not see that his stories also did not control the world, Bretton Woods was his party, at the time of Nixon it was over: exchange rates cannot be kept stable.

    What old Rothschild thought, quite interesting, a jewish idea, I know from personal experience, but nonsense, of course.
    Jewish money could not remove or destroy Hitler, than in a very indirect way.
    Jews in the Habsburg period understood quite well they did not control the Habsburgs, see
    J.S Bromley, ed., The new Cambridge modern history, volume VI, The rise of Great Britain and Russia, 1688 – 1715/25’, 1970 Cambridge
    How limited jewish money power was you can also read in
    Fritz Stern, ‘Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire’, New York, 1977.
    Bismarck controlled Bleichröder, not the other way round.

    You assert that I’m a believer, I flatter myself with the idea not to believe in anything, with the exception that truth is consistent.

    ” TV a serious documentary about one historic topic ”
    Cannot remember ever having seen one serious documentary about any historic topic.
    As Chomsky states ‘in any society there exist standard truths, if these are not taken into account no discussion is possible’.

    Piketty, know the name, but that is most of it.
    What has been reported about what he says, he for me just kicks in open doors.
    Do not know the exact figures, but of course it is true that the distribution of wealth is very uneven.

    Trade unions improved the position of ordinary people in the 19th century, and thereafter.
    Market and privatisation ideas led to less membership, and the possibility of diminishing their power.
    The result can be seen in the change in shares of capital and labour in national income: that of labour goes down, that of capital goes up.
    Adam Smith already described the unequal bargaining positions.
    Neoliberalism further undermined this position for workers, as does immigration.

    Blindspots in economics.
    Where are they ?
    There are blindspots with those who think they’re economists.
    Your whole story for me is one long confirmation of the blindspots of psychologists and similarly educated people, not for all, of course, did not find such a spot with
    Nico H. Frijda, ‘De emoties, >> Een overzicht van onderzoek en theorie <<', Amsterdam, 2000
    I know him personally, of long ago.
    The most nonsensical blind spot with those who understand nothing of economics for me is a book trying to explain money from the subconcious.

    True terrorism of course changes the behaviour of a state.
    Maybe it should be put the other way round: just if a state changes its behaviour there is true terrorism.
    I'm not going to explain anywhere how simple it is to paralyse the whole Dutch economy.

    At the end a question, do not waste your time on an answer, I'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me.
    That I now took the trouble to answer you at length is not for you, but for those who, I hope, have read this.
    Maybe my writings have some effect with them.

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  410. utu says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I agree with your take on economics.

    The simplest way was therefore to make them unable to understand anything. That’s why most of the people doesn’t have any teaching in economics. They will have to trust others. There is the TV pseudo-experts, and there is the academics

    It is by design. It is a perfect matrix in a sense that most economists who actually were taught something in the schools do no know that there is anything hidden from them. It is no different than with physicists who can’t have thoughts and curiosity to look at, say, General Theory of Reality from without because their thinking is so deeply entrenched within the theory.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  411. @utu

    Then what is hidden ?
    And about relativity, the theory has been proved over and over again.

  412. S says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Hi Parisian Guy,

    I have enjoyed talking with you and reading the various comments on this thread very much. I will have to take a break from the discussion for a time to take care of various things. Whatever happens I wish yourself and the French people the best.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  413. Wally says:
    @tac

    Jheeesh! “Much ado about nothing.”

    No one is more besieged here than I am. Such are the absurd ‘holocaust’ True Believers.
    But I consider Ron’s request reasonable in lieu of the volume he gets here. Just make less lengthy comments, pretty simple. You are not being “censored”.

    BTW, shorter comments are better for the reader and will actually drive home your points more effectively. Advertising 101.

    If you have a lot to say then post links to those lengthy views rather than posting ‘War & Peace’.

    You need a thick skin to survive http://www.unz.com

  414. @tac

    Please, you posturing ponce, fuck off elsewhere ASAP.

  415. @jilles dykstra

    I wonder why you take the trouble to write such long reactions to me. I see not much worth replying to

    Yes, you had to do that again. Blindness. And nevertheless, you replied a lot , but mainly out of the topic, and asking for an exit. And you told the

    explanation is that most people cannot stand it if they get detailed answers they’re unable to refute.

    Sure, you are one of these “most people”.
    ————————————————–

    truth is consistent.

    Any smartly designed ideology is consistent. So what?
    What about Popper’s falsifiability?

  416. @S

    Thanks for your nice words. I noticed you had some idea about visiting France one day; Don’t wait too much, it’becoming different from the movies you know. By the way, Google Street did a good job, it gives near the actual whole picture.
    And of course, the most unpopulated/untouched streets/roads are often those that were forgotten by GoogleStreet.

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