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With Individualism And The Western Liberal Tradition: Evolutionary Origins, History, And Prospects For The Future, Prof. Kevin B. MacDonald has once again produced a volume that thoughtful defenders of the Western tradition and European descended people cannot afford to ignore

The book (full disclosure: I helped edit it), was self-published by MacDonald because it would be too hot for any scholarly press to handle in the present climate. This is in sad contrast to MacDonald’s famous trilogy applying evolutionary theory to Judaism (A People That Shall Dwell Alone, Separation and Its Discontents and The Culture of Critique) which was published by Praeger in 1994-1998, during what VDARE.com has called the “Interglacial,” the relatively free period after the fall of the Soviet Union before the forces of Cultural Marxism regrouped.

It begins by summarizing what is known of the recent evolutionary history of European Man—with special reference to the trait of individualism—and proceeds to show how this background has conditioned European history all the way up to the controversies of the present.

To oversimplify slightly: European Man is a blend of three distinct genetic strains:

Culturally, these groups were quite distinct.

Hunter-gatherers societies tend to be egalitarian, jealous to prevent ambitious individuals from rising above the general level, and early Europeans were no exception. The mindset persists especially in Scandinavia, and is well-expressed in the “laws” which Norwegian novelist Axel Sandemose wrote to govern his fictional town of Jante: “don’t think you’re smarter than us”, “don’t think you’re more important that we are”, “don’t laugh at us,” and so on.

This does not foster outstanding individual achievement, but it does create harmonious, high-trust societies in which individuals are valued on the basis of their reputation for cooperativeness and consideration for others. Such people also value freedom to make their own choices, including in the matter of marriage.

The Anatolians who first brought agriculture to Europe are similar to Near Eastern people in emphasizing the importance of family and a personal identity embedded within kinship networks. They are not highly individualistic, though more so than actual Near Easterners. Their descendants predominate along the Southern Fringe of Europe, where they represent a cline away from the European core.

The Indo-Europeans were a highly mobile aristocratic warrior society whose ethos is well-reflected in ancient heroic poetry such as the Iliad and Beowulf. Indo-Europeans sought personal fame and superiority over other men through fighting and its attendant risk of death. In other words, they were exactly the ambitious sort whom the Jante Laws were intended to discourage.

Historically, for Indo-Europeans, achieving the status of military leader depended on your achievement in war and your reputation for fairness and generosity to your followers, not on whose son you were. This made the society both individualistic and competitive. Under more modern settled conditions, competition for personal glory may be channeled into peaceful pursuits. The uniquely high achievement of European man in fields such as exploration, science, and the production of high culture owe much to the Indo-European inheritance.

After sketching this background in his first three chapters, MacDonald devotes Chapter Four to mapping family patterns across Europe, finding a cline from the stable, more patriarchal, extended and multigenerational family households of Southern Europe to the smaller, more egalitarian nuclear family households of the north which often including non-kin servants. Today, Northern European family life has even become pathologically individualistic, with divorce common and the state taking over an increasing share of family functions.

Subsequent chapters of Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition interpret episodes from European history in terms of these basic biocultural tendencies. The Roman Republic is discussed as a fairly pure example of Indo-European aristocratic individualism. Roman deemphasis on kinship allowed it gradually to extend the rights of citizenship and political participation to the nations it had conquered, reconciling them to Roman rule and thus insuring Rome’s lasting success.

The Feudal system established by the Germanic tribes on the ruins of the Western Roman Empire represented a return to the Indo-European aristocratic military pattern, but this was tempered by the egalitarian spirit of Christianity. Celibacy amounted to a sort of “reproductive altruism,” i.e., the Church did not translate its own wealth and power into control of women or reproductive success. This gave the Church considerable moral authority, allowing it to serve as a check on the power of secular rulers and successfully imposing monogamy on them. Canon law was also egalitarian in disregarding social status, which had been central to ancient law.

Puritanism and its secular successors such as Transcendentalism and the Social Gospel represent a resurgence of egalitarian individualism. By putting an end to “the fundamentally Indo-European-derived social structures that had held sway over the Western European political landscape from time immemorial,” they did much to usher in the modern world.

MacDonald notes the Puritan “tendency to pursue utopian causes framed as moral issues,” and to see government power as a means to such ends. To this day, their secular successors exhibit what MacDonald describes as “a tendency to paint political alternatives as starkly contrasting moral imperatives, with one side portrayed as evil incarnate” and to compete over the intensity of their personal commitment to whatever cause they have taken up.

Thus Multiculturalism and replacement-level immigration have been presented to the public as moral imperatives only opposed by vicious, hate-filled bigots. This is the secular Puritan mindset in its purest form. If allowed to run riot, it will not create a tolerant multicultural utopia but merely destroy everything distinctive the West, including the moralistic egalitarianism which motivates its partisans.

The latter part of MacDonald’s book discusses the psychological basis of European dispossession and how it can be counteracted. European people will have to temper their individualism to compete effectively in an increasingly tribal social and political context. The growing explicitness of anti-white hatred will ultimately work in our favor: outside hostility provokes a sense of group belonging and shared fate, just as it has done for Jews over the centuries. White ethnocentrism may be naturally weak because of our unique evolutionary history, but it is still there beneath the surface, and current trends are doing everything possible to trigger it strongly.

Interesting times lie ahead.

To understand the world you live in, and to learn how to fight effectively for a better one, you must know the work of Kevin MacDonald. Get yourself a copy of his Individualism and the Western Liberal Traditionbefore the censors come after it!

And this is something which must concern not merely white advocates, but the entire Historic American Nation.

Roger Devlin is a contributing editor to The Occidental Quarterly and the author of Sexual Utopia in Power: The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. This is very exciting. I look forward to adding this to the other three KMAC books in my library.

    Yes….the hope is that the vicious (and stupid) anti-white hatred will trigger in whites a normal ethnocentric response.

    It’s a race against time…….

    and jewing.

    • Replies: @Anon
  2. Can’t wait to get a copy.

  3. “The Indo-Europeans were a highly mobile aristocratic warrior society.”

    Let me get this straight. This entire horde of smelly little men in ratty fur were all “aristocrats.” And none of the Anatolians or hunter-gatherers were.

    Folklore studies are eminently interesting but nobody actually believes fairy tales.

  4. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    MacDonald is someone who’d want his group (the group he sees himself as a part of) to behave like the group he has spent decades lambasting.

  5. The mindset persists especially in Scandinavia, and is well-expressed in the “laws” which Norwegian novelist Axel Sandemose wrote to govern his fictional town of Jante: “don’t think you’re smarter than us”, “don’t think you’re more important that we are”, “don’t laugh at us,” and so on.
    This does not foster outstanding individual achievement, but it does create harmonious, high-trust societies

    Scandinavia is arguably one of the most successful areas on this earth. How can you build exceptional societies without exceptional individual achievement? This talking point is standard-fare Republican American nonsense. Not exactly “alternative viewpoint” more congruent with Unz’s mission.

    It is true Scandinavia is more egalitarian, but that does not preclude individuals rising to the top. Sweden has one one the highest per capita shares of billionaires in Europe (once you exclude tax-havens and city states like Monaco etc). I like Devlin, but I’m sort of disappointed he fell for the usual GOP memes.

    Today, Northern European family life has even become pathologically individualistic, with divorce common and the state taking over an increasing share of family functions.

    This has less to do with culture than modern economic growth. As prosperity expands, more and more people will have to be engaged in economic activity. Time is a limited resource. The more time you spend increasing GDP is less time spent with your family (or creating one). But all that GDP also makes it possible to create these economic safety nets and support networks. If you want a family-first society then you will have to accept lower economic activity. That is a cultural trade-off we have all made.

    Subsequent chapters of Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition interpret episodes from European history in terms of these basic biocultural tendencies.

    I am not sure that we can argue for European exceptionalism in individualism historically. If you look at past empires all across the world, they have tended to be multi-ethnic. In order to conquer vast territory and then keep it intact, you need a certain amount of tolerance. That is a feature of empires. I don’t think it is unique to Europe, so thinking Rome’s multiculturalism was somekind of biological instinct unique to us is misguided, in my view.

    More importantly, most of the radical individualistic ideas came with the Englightenment. One can of course speculate that the reason why they came about is because of underlying biological reasons, but this at, at best, mere speculation at this point. This book is an interesting guess, but a guess at best nonetheless. We probably need more genetic research on different peoples and altruisim, idealism etc to see if there are any hardwired differences to come to a certain conclusion.

    One thing I will say is that a unique aspect with white people is a much higher sense of shame than for other groups. There is a much greater degree of self-regulation due to social norms than for others. What this is due to, and whether it is genetic, is an interesting question. It is this sense of shame which makes it easy to exploit any latent feelings of pride in one’s own group and turn it negative. It works very efficient as a tool of control against most white people and I don’t see it in any other race. It would suggest that whites are more moral than others, which would also fit historical patterns (we were among the earliest to ban slavery. Arabs didn’t bother to do it until very late, and under heavy Western pressure, for instance). Many of these egalitarian ideologies would also seem to spring out of this moral impulse.

  6. @Anon

    The sly duplicity of your comment did not go unnoticed.

    Mr. Nose.

    Yes! By all means it would be sooooooooooooooo much better if white people would just roll over and die!

    Fuck you.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  7. I’m so happy Kevin MacDonald didn’t use dirty anti-Semitic tropes and evil Nazi canards like Jews are responsible for flooding our countries with black and brown and yellow hostile immigrants or that Jews promoted porn and inter-racial sex and feminism and transgenderism to ultimately break up the family and genocide us Whites.

    Oh, did I leave out individualism, liberalism, egalitarianism, pathological altruism, abortions on demand by Jew doctors and endless wars for Israel?

    Shalom.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
    , @jsigur
  8. Isabella says:

    There is no genetic evidence for any of this. You cannot point to anything and say it’s genetic unless you can isolate the gene, give its location and chromosome and the biochemical pathway it effects. Otherwise, it’s just a fairy tale.
    As for “Individualism” positively affecting human development, there is vast evidence to show the opposite. Read the work of Kropotkin to see how Mutual aid and only Mutual Aid does this. Individualism misunderstood as the West has done, is in fact destructive – as it’s practice in America amply demonstrates. It belongs purely as part of normal development from dependent child to interdependent Adult, who takes responsibility and assumes obligations, which include choices of life direction, but all within the context of their society and the obligation of Mutual Aid.
    The whole thing is a tale told by an idiot – and it’s time Western Anglo society realised how much of wrong path it has been on for so long.

  9. @Anon

    MacDonald is someone who’d want his group (the group he sees himself as a part of) to behave like the group he has spent decades lambasting.

    If you’re talking about fierce tribal loyalties and controlling the culture — yes.

    If you’re talking about diddling little kids or pathological egotism — no.

    • Replies: @HallParvey
  10. @Thulean Friend

    You may be using the word “shame” rather differently from the way it is conventionally used to distinguish shame cultures from guilt cultures. My understanding of the way the distinction is usually made is that Europeans tend to feel guilt, which comes from in, whereas people in honor-shame cultures are most concerned with what others think. Hence “honor” killings. The following may be true

    “The shame-honor worldview seeks an “honor balance” and can lead to revenge dynamics”

    Of course you wouldn’t expect a military aristocracy to be slow to avenge shameful assaults on one’s honor….

  11. My understanding of Kevin MacDonald’s theses is that his work is thoroughly researched but mostly written before the evolutionary biology in his explanations could be tested by detailed work with the genomes of the people he writes about. We may find ourselves confronted with evidence of groups of people who seem to have most of the important genes in common but don’t actually behave in similar ways or share similar cultures. Without having studied his work in any depth I nonetheless speculate that his explanation for charactetistically Jewish behaviour puts far too much emphasis on genes.

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
    , @Pheasant
  12. Nice review/sales piece makes the book look worth a read. It is undoubtedly a worthy and timely topic.

    Jordan Peterson’s gift of riling shitlibs is soundly based on appreciation and celebration of Europes
    (primarily British) elevation of individualism as a very important characteristic of society.

    I hate this “(full disclosure: I helped edit it)” bullshit- it’s usually self-important humble-bragging.
    It may be some disclosure, I very much doubt it is full if we were to dig into all associations/conflicts..

    (Neccesary disclosure: I helped edit it)

    might be more truthful.

  13. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Puritanism is antisocial , it denies common people even of the just fair simple pleasures of life , denies the people the joy of living , produces sad ,angry , greedy ,ever insulting and accusing people , very resentful people , who commit the worse crimes and perversions mankind has ever seen . The puritans and protestants of northern Europe and new England were
    greedy farisaic people , accusers of mankind , they robbed all the properties they could nor only of the catholics but a of any people who disagreed with them . And the protestant kings self denominated themselves Popes of their ” national ” churches , this is cesaropapism , all the power of God and of the Cesar for them , psychopatic tyranny .

    The psychopath puritans of north Europe and New England are still a heavy burden fo all Europe , for all USA ,and for all mankind . Only puritan swedes could produce a Greta to torture mankind and torture the poor girl , only puritan yankis could produce the farisaic me too propaganda against men and women .

    • Troll: Hail
  14. Bert says:
    @Anon

    Tit for tat is the appropriate strategy for dealing with other people, and other peoples.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat

  15. If you look at past empires all across the world, they have tended to be multi-ethnic.

    So were the unsuccessful empires. See definition of “empire” [1].

    Radical individualistic ideas came with the Enlightenment.

    Consider Saints in the Middle Ages.

    One thing I will say is that a unique aspect with white people is a much higher sense of shame than for other groups

    That’s Judaism, which now claims to be non-White, for what that’s worth. European cultures tend to emphasize a sense of success or failure, which is quite different from shame.

    Nice argument, but needs work.

    Counterinsurgency

    Counterinsurgency

    1] empire: a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/empire

    • Replies: @doggery
  16. gotmituns says:

    God, Clan, People in that order. That’s all that matters.

  17. Bert says:

    A synthetic analysis like the current book, or even like MacDonald’s books on Judaism, is not something that can be used effectively to convince Caucasians that their culture is under attack by other ethnic groups whose motivations are malevolent. The threads of reasoning are too abstract and require too much background knowledge. The average Caucasian, brainwashed by political correctness and under economic pressure to conform to multicultural ideals, will not be impacted by MacDonald’s books. Will not take the time to read them.

    Caucasians will only be awakened by something more personal and immediate. That something is evidence of negative ethnocentrism in the psychology of blacks, mestizos, and Jews. MacDonald’s books on Judaism emphasized the positive ethnocentrism of Jews, their group unity and intra-group altruism. Possibly for his academic survival, he did not treat in equal depth the negative ethnocentrism of Jews, their willingness to exploit other ethnic groups, particularly their host population in Eastern Europe.

    The message that would awaken Caucasians can only be delivered as memes developed from a book that documents other ethnic groups as being much more negatively ethnocentric than are Caucasians. Such a book would synthesize the results of published experimental psychological studies that contrast competitive intensity, ruthlessness, and their biochemical markers in intra-ethnic and inter-ethnic staged competitions. And if existing studies are not complete enough, then further basic experimentation should be carried out.

    If, while drinking a beer after work, John the welder starts passing to Brian the mechanic simple experimental evidence of negative ethnocentrism of Jews, then survival of Western Civilization becomes more likely.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Kevin MacDonald
  18. I cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, accept your characterisation of mediaeval feudalism as tempered by Christian egalitarianism, assuming there is such a thing.

    Quite the opposite. Christian teachings gave legitimacy to the absolute powers of the monarch and the grossly unequal social and economic system over which he and his aristocracy ruled.

    Bishops were part of a religious aristocracy who themselves extracted revenue from the lowest strata of society by means of tithes, rents, licenses and the sale of relics.

    Occasionally, members of the church took a public stand against particularly repugnant acts committed by the monarch, but not against the unequal nature of the system itself.

    Monarchs adhered to the principle of legal monogamy as a way of preserving the succession of hereditary power. They were expected to be married only to one woman at any given time. They did not, and were not expected to, practice sexual monogamy.

    None of the above should be taken as implying any criticism of mediaeval politics or society.

  19. Individualism as it is developed in the west is an abomination. Human being evolved and reached position we are in now not being individualistic but through collectivism and primitive communism. Everything that is wrong in modern west has got roots in this unrestricted individualism.. it is disease. It also makes people miserable and unhappy and pretty much nasty.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  20. Richard B says:

    What is the primary attribute of the human brain? (Good luck finding an answer online)

    What does the answer to that question have to do with anything?

    What’s the relationship between the primary attribute of the human brain and culture?

    What is the relationship between human nature and culture?

    What human behavior is species-specific?

    How does language function?

    How does explanation function?

    I would be genuinely interested in answers to these questions from anyone and everyone, from Kevin MacDonald to those who object to his work, from Ron Unz to our “Thought Leaders” in business (as they pretentiously like to refer to themselves) and, of course, from the many thoughtful commenters here at TUR and other sites.

    The first question would be the most important, obviously. Everything hinges on it.

    And yet, I’ve never heard the question asked and I’ve never seen an answer, with one exception.

    I’m not saying others haven’t asked or answered the question. I just haven’t come across any other than that one exception. So, my questions are sincere.

    It just seems strange that anyone writing about Evolutionary Psychology has never mentioned what the primary attribute of the human brain is.

    It would seem as if the answer to that question would be central to their work, and central to those who do not approve of Kevin MacDonald’s work, and to the readers of both as well.

    It would seem to be the question to ask and answer for anyone interested in human behavior from the point of view of genes and culture.

    It would also be an important question to ask and answer for anyone concerned about social-management.

    Answers to the above questions might put the reasons why Mr. MacDonald’s work is “too hot to handle” in a more instructive and interesting light.

    Also, what Mr. MacDonald and those opposed to his work offer us are explanations.

    That’s all anyone offers. Cause it’s all we’ve got. Good luck living life without explanation.

    And yet we have no Theory of Explanation capable of explaining explanation itself (with, again, one exception).

    We have many explanations, but no Theory Of Explanation.

    Just as we have many criticisms but no Theory of Criticism.

    Same for valuation or evaluation. Many modes but no Theory of Evaluation.

    So, what is Explanation?

    What is Criticism?

    What is Evaluation?

    What is Language?

    What is Behavior?

    I will go so far as to say that, in part, we are entering a New Dark Ages exactly because we are not asking and answering these and other related questions.

    The result being we’re unable to properly locate specific problems and so unable to come up with workable solutions.

    That this has a negative effect on the competent management and successful functioning of our social-institutions is obvious to anyone who moves through the world with eyes open.

    Maybe the problem between individual and group is incapable of a solution. And maybe that’s not such a bad thing. Maybe the conflict between the two is the very source of cultural dynamism.

    In fact, maybe a lot of our problems come from our incredible inability to accept the fact that human problems are incapable of any one permanent solution.

    One consequence resulting from this inability is our continued addiction to salvation systems.

    Maybe that’s our problem. Maybe that’s what’s killing us. Unable to explain explanation itself we remain addicted to explanations in the form of salvation systems.

    In any event, unless we recover from this addiction, and fast, we’re in no position to laugh at the dinosaurs for getting themselves extinct. After all, they lasted a lot longer than we have so far.

  21. Richard B says:
    @Richard B

    It’d be very instructive and a lot of fun to put the questions listed in the previous comment to your average Celebrity Intellectual or Media Personality or your typical University “Professor” who, as mouth pieces of the hostile elite, insist on telling children and young adults and everyone else what to think because they’ve never learned How To Think.

    Then just sit back and watch them do their best Ralph Kramden.

    “Hummana hummana hummana.”

    It’s about time we put them between the sword and the wall.

    In an age when we have more precise knowledge about ourselves than ever before, that’s quality and quantity of knowledge, should people who can’t answer basic questions, like the ones put in the previous comment, be in a position of power and influence?

    Should we take their judgments of us seriously? Or is it time to just storm the palace?

    Leaving that deadly question aside, the fatal thing about celebrity intellectuals is that their mediocre minds are extolled as “great” by credulous people devoid of judgment.

    They’ve hijacked the life of the mind and the world of ideas for too long.

    It’s time to take the power back.

    • Agree: brandybranch
  22. Seraphim says:

    The question is: what exactly the ‘Whites’ have been, are and will be ‘dispossessed’ of?
    Of properties they sold to the highest bidder? Jobs they willingly transferred to China? “Culture”, that they cannot stop ‘deconstructing’? Of a Tradition (Christian one, at that), that they work untiringly to expel from their society (not before extorting ‘compensations’ for the ‘victims of clerical abuses’)? Of a reasonable social harmony they themselves destroyed by enthusiastically massacring each other for thousands of years, because of “don’t laugh at us” heroic-aristocratic-“Indo-European laws”? Of the delusion that they are ‘born aristocrats’ because of God knows what chromosome, when they are the real ‘parvenues’, upstarts, compensating for their inferiority complex with overblown images of their own ‘superiority’, ‘exceptionalism’, ‘manifest destiny’ and shameless arrogance? Of the ‘mastery of the world’ they believe ‘evolution’ bestowed on them?
    What?

  23. @Wizard of Oz

    I frankly find the shame-guilt dichotomy to be artificial. Northern Europeans are obsessed with what others think. We are exceptionally confirmist to social norms and these resolve around shame/guilt.

    You could on some level argue that such a social organisation is superior to one based on brute force. Because it is self-regulating and based on collective beliefs, rather than the iron-fist of an authoritarian ruler. But this all depends on the direction where the common morals are directed to. When they are directed to serve at replacing your own people and to never question the endless wars in the Middle East on behalf of the jewish oligarchy, then those norms are no longer functional and an active evil.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  24. I am fascinated by all this, but wonder-how much can it mean, relating to say, the last 2000 years of European evolution. How did Germanic tribes, originating out of the rough area that is now Germany, become as divergent as the Vikings and the Anglo-Saxons, who wound up fighting each other. How did a “high trust” society that appeared more tame than what is described here, of the Scandinavian people create such violent and successful warriors as the Vikings (particularly the Danes)? In other words, how much does history as long ago as explained in this book, matter as far as genetic stock, when we find the descendants of the Vikings, and their close cousins, the Angles and Saxons, so completely cucked, not to mention the cuckery of the original stock–the German people. France lost it’s Gallic (Celtic) culture and was overrun by Franks and later Vikings to merge into an aristocracy-oriented, high-class Norman culture, that would go on to change England forever, not to mention the remnant descendants who became Huguenots and spread their merchant/trade culture across the Colonies (and S. Africa).

    It is my understanding, there was even a difference (as of late history) between the English (Anglo) aristocracy class and the feudal Saxon class, which may have been the genesis of much of the difference in opinion, mindset and cultural framework between the New England Anglos and the Saxon slave owners of Virginia and South Carolina.

    Oddly, for Southerners as exemplified by the last two hundred years, it seems the Scots-Irish were actually the most emotionally and physical rugged people–willing to fight over anything and perversely individualist. Andrew Jackson dueled, killed a man in a duel, fought the British, forced marched the Indians, and was as macho as they come. He was nothing like Jefferson, or the Anglo elites.

    How did Europeans differ so greatly in just the last few centuries? How useful is a model talking about the three strands of Europeans?

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @JRB
    , @S. M. Coulton
  25. wayfarer says:
    @Richard B

    What is the primary attribute of the human brain?

    Physical Reality Manifestation by Seth.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Material

    “The objective world is the end result of inner action. You can indeed manipulate the objective world from within, for this is the means and definition of true manipulation…

    Thoughts and images are formed into physical reality and become physical fact. They are propelled chemically. A thought IS energy. It begins to produce itself physically at the moment of its conception.

    In your system of reality you are learning what mental energy is, and how to use it. You do this by constantly transforming your thoughts and emotions into physical form.

    You must watch the pictures that you paint with your imagination… your environment and the conditions of your life at any given time are the direct result of your own inner expectations. You form physical materializations of these realities within your own mind.

    If you sell yourselves short, you will say, ‘I am a physical organism and I live within the boundaries of my environment.’ If you do not sell yourselves short, you will say, ‘I am an individual. I form my physical environment. I change and make my world. I am free of space and time. I am part of All That Is. There is no place within me that creativity does not exist.’ “

    • Agree: Montefrío
  26. MarkU says:
    @Thulean Friend

    As prosperity expands, more and more people will have to be engaged in economic activity. Time is a limited resource. The more time you spend increasing GDP is less time spent with your family.

    So ‘prosperity’ is what you call it when people have to work longer and longer hours to make ends meet? prosperity for whom exactly? In a world where automation is relentlessly replacing labour, ‘prosperity’ means having less and less free time? how does that make any sense? Prosperity for the ownership classes in a rentier society perhaps but for everyone else it is nothing more than a treadmill.

    What you are trying to do is to legitimise the theft of all the increases in productivity over the last few decades by the wealthy few. I reject your views utterly, we work to live, we do not live to work.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Wizard of Oz
  27. @Wizard of Oz

    I see the same corollary in the misuse of the word “oride”. I often hear or see references to blacks being too “proud” for something, or react out of pride… (to a degree the same thing with mestizo Latino culture). But it’s not pride, it’s childish reactionary behavior. Blacks who shoot someone over a disagreement about a pair of sneakers aren’t doing so because they are fierce, prideful, warriors–they are doing so because they are emotional children that lash out when they don’t get their way. These same “prideful” people who yell and scream at teachers, co-workers and bosses, are almost always on some type of welfare, or grew up with it, and almost always accept without any pride, the (misplaced) generosity of others. There’s no such things as a black who gets mad, being too “proud” to even have welfare/handout suggested to them by a government entity, a peer, etc.

    You often hear this also when a non-white admits on their own behalf or another non-white that so and so was too “proud” to admit they were wrong on or about something, when that has nothing to do with it. Unlike Northern Europeans, they lack the introspection to admit obvious fault or to even debates the merits of a position they held, which is why there typically are not polite, respectful PTA or HOA or city council meetings in black dominate cultures and areas. Everything escalates like two kids arguing over a pair of mittens they found in a cubbyhole.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Alden
  28. Too speculative & not even wrong. MacDonald has written a book in tradition of “cosmic historians” like Hegel, Marx or Spengler; just, he based his ideas on the mixture of population genetics & a rather superficial ethno-cultural history.

    There can be no reasonable connection between modern “Scandinavian” societal models & some 40,000 years old Caucasian migrants (needless to say, Germanic Scandinavians are Indo-Europeans); Homer (ca. 700 BC) & Beowulf (ca. 800 AD) are worlds apart & they don’t reflect any kind of “Indo-European aristocracy” mindset (sure, Indo-European peoples had had their aristocracies, but they were a wild bunch like any other group of primitive nomads); “individualism” is a modern condition, and you’ll find this type of behavior among urban, technologically advanced peoples everywhere (including high divorce rates); American Transcendentalism arose among biological descendants of Puritans- but, it has nothing to do with their religious ideology, Calvinism, which they got from a Frenchman.

    It seems this work has something interesting to offer, but is essentially a piece of biological reductionism & a sloppy history reading.

    • Agree: AaronB
  29. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Thank you so much for making it crystal clear that even communication with anti-whites like yourself is pointless. Let’s get on with it, shall we?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  30. Radical individualism will greatly weaken with the demise of the Boomers.

  31. Bert says:
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    Scots-Irish is a term that encompasses all of the British borderers who experienced 300 years (12 generations) of border warfare and raiding. Then some of them went to the Ulster Plantation to fight the Irish for land, and from then their descendants went to the Appalachians to fight Amerindians for land. As self-organized militia, they sent Cornwallis packing in less than a year. 17 or 18 generations of selection for aggressiveness left its mark. The Ulstermen in America are its best hope.

    • Replies: @JRB
    , @MikePToo
    , @HallParvey
    , @Alden
  32. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Richard B

    Q. What is the primary attribute of the human brain?

    A. A “scheming tool“* to procure resources.

    [MORE]

    * “We’re chemical machines, that have been built over 4 billion years, and we’ve been tested in what can be called quite accurately a ‘Gladiator War’; where the machines went into the battle and if you won your DNA replicated, and that’s all it was was a war. And as time evolved the war became more complex. As the organisms evolved they get more and more elaborate tools.
    […]
    “Our intelligence only exists because it was a scheming tool, because it made us better at stealing star energy from other organisms. That’s the only reason why it exists. And it still remains its only function.”

    Gary Inmendam
    Gladiator War (Graphic Content)
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PJiJQtaBZeAEylHpv4HVmF86IU24ZZzQ/view

  33. Seraphim says:
    @Anonymous

    Agreed, shut up and stop trolling me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  34. JRB says: • Website
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    I see that you are interested in the history of Western Europe but that you don’t know enough about it. In the last twenty five years some excellent books about the history of Western Europe between 1 AD and 1000 AD have been published. If you have have enough time I can advise you to read some of them. You will probably enjoy Peter Heather’s “The Fall of the Roman Empire: a New History of Rome and the Barbarians” and Chris Wickham’s “The Inheritance of Rome: A History of Europe from 400 to 1000”.

  35. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    > they believe ‘evolution’ bestowed on them?

    Do tell us all about what you imagine first, goofball. Start with this:

    Seraphim says:
    October 23, 2018 at 7:10 pm GMT
    The irony is that the ‘white’ people ar actually blacks discolored. It is a genetical defect which affects their brain too, whence their limited capacity of comprehension of the world surrounding them.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  36. Seraphim says:

    Refer to #33.

    • Replies: @anon
  37. @OscarWildeLoveChild

    ???

    Noerthern Euros aren’t cucked. I laugh at Anglos, Italians, Slavs, etc with their multi-century histories of shame, having just ceded every major city to blacks, calling North Euros “cucked”. It’s mind boggling projection from an inferior organism on to its only successful closest living relative.

  38. JRB says: • Website
    @Bert

    Exactly the effect of selection over many generations is vastly underestimated. It explains for instance why the Saxons in Germany went from very aggressive in 900 AD to quite docile in 1900 AD.

  39. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    The Hate Whitey crowd, of which Seraphim is part, always calls disagreement with their Hate Whitey rhetoric “trolling.” Oh well! Bust out the butthurt cream for Seraphim! 🙂

    Trolling has become a byword for everything the left disagrees with, particularly if it’s boisterous, mischievous and provocative.
    http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/08/20/trolls-will-save-world/

  40. anon[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    So much for you being either willing or capable of defending your pseudoscientific Melanin Theory. LOL!

  41. @Richard B

    This is a very thought provoking piece, but after pondering it a bit, I came to the conclusion that we have too many theories already. There’s a lot to be said for simply living in the world and drawing one’s own conclusions on abstract topics. The much-sought-after “Theory of Everything” that keeps quantum physicists and theoretical mathematicians so busy was stated quite succinctly by Huang Po, now transliterated as Huángbò Xīyùn, a Ninth Century Zen master. Worth a read, I promise you.

  42. MikePToo says:
    @Bert

    I agree, which it why it is on the decendant.
    The Ulster men are now Irishmen whether you or I like it or not. 500 years speaks for itself regardless of the BS. We people need to wake the fuck up and act accordingly.

  43. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    MacDonald is someone who’d want his group (the group he sees himself as a part of) to behave like the group he has spent decades lambasting.

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  44. @Bert

    As self-organized militia, they sent Cornwallis packing in less than a year

    The actual organizing took English aristocratic plantation owners who wanted to be free from excessive taxation. They stirred the rabble to fight with their free press, and directed where and when to do so, with a little help from a Prussian. And a few others.

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Twodees Partain
  45. The nose cries out in pain as the goyim wake up.

    Hyper-ethnocentrism for jews is VERY GOOD!

    But ingroup preference for whites is VERY BAD.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, MAOWASAYALI
  46. @obwandiyag

    Folklore studies are eminently interesting but nobody actually believes fairy tales.
    ======
    Only in wakanda right obawachov?

  47. Bookish1 says:
    @Anon

    If you mean learning from jews there is nothing wrong with that.

  48. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thulean Friend

    One thing I will say is that a unique aspect with white people is a much higher sense of shame than for other groups. There is a much greater degree of self-regulation due to social norms than for others.

    I bevieve it’s less about shame and more about empathy and morality. White people are mossively overrepresented in terms of caring for pets, other animals, nature, or even other humans. Lust look at the racial composition of related organisations.

    A lot of it is a consequence of relative prosperity but that doesn’t invalidate the outcome.

  49. AaronB says:

    Poor white people.

    They simply do not want to address the cultural wrong turn they made in the 18th century, and correct it.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Anon
  50. @obwandiyag

    Aristorcratic refers to their organization of government, not their clothing and grooming.

    • Replies: @PorkTastic
    , @obwandiyag
  51. Wally says:
    @MarkU

    And what chapter from the Communist Manifesto did that come from?

    And of course no mention of the over breeding, low IQ, lazy types unit for a modern society who demand that others pay their way.

  52. @Anon

    Steady on there, old chap! You’re talking about my distant cousins, and I’m sure some of them at least were quite decent sorts.

    • Replies: @Anon
  53. Wally says:
    @AaronB

    And what “turn” was that?

    BTW:
    African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders’ ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade
    “African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today.”

    • Replies: @AaronB
  54. @Thulean Friend

    Indeed the northern European conformism to which you allude might even be regarded as related to the upward mobility of many in a rapidly increasing population of people for whom class mattered and that such conformism waa conducive to its being a high trust society..

    • Replies: @PorkTastic
  55. @Isabella

    Interestingly put. Thank you for adding food for thought.

  56. AaronB says:
    @Wally

    The Enlightenment.

    Any people or nation that adopts Greek rationalism eventually destroys itself, like the Greeks.

    I don’t know how many more cultural experiments we need to prove this.

    It’s pretty simple.

    Its not a Western thing, and it has nothing to do with genetics. Asian countries, to the extent that they adopt the Enlightenment, are destroying themselves.

    Jews, genes, are a distraction.

    Jews who promote Enlightenment principles in the West are Hellenized – no longer Jews. They are white Europeans.

    Genetics are a distraction.

    Up until quite recently, white Europeans had a reputation for being more racist than nearly any other people.

    Kevin MacDonald merely offers another Enlightenment ideology to fix the problem. That won’t work. You need to step out of the Enlightenment paradigm.

    But white people are too proud to do so – Enlightenment ideas also gave power. Pride, as always, leads to ruin.

    I doubt anything can be done about this – but it is interesting to observe.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Weaver1
  57. @MarkU

    I see you and Wally ignoring an even bigger factor than those you mention, namely the increase in dependency, both the over 65s living ever longer mostly unproductive lives and the effective increase at the other end of life by keeping the young in what for want of a better ridiculous description may be called education.

    • Replies: @Wally
  58. Bert says:
    @HallParvey

    Your version of the American Revolution is incredibly shallow.

    [MORE]

    The Mecklenberg Resolves preceded the Declaration of Independence by more than a year. From Wikipedia: “The Mecklenburg Resolves document was created by the Mecklenburg County Committee of Safety on or after May 20, 1775 and adopted by that same committee on May 31, 1775.[3] This was just weeks after what are now considered the first battles in the American War for Independence at Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts.
    The Resolves proclaimed that “all Laws…derived from the Authority of the King or Parliament, are annulled and vacated,” and that the Provincial government “under the Great Continental Congress is invested with all legislative and executive Powers…and that no other Legislative or Executive does or can exist, at this Time, in any of these Colonies months.”

    The population of Mecklenburg County, North Caorlina was predominantly Scots-Irish.

    The backcountry Southern militia was not supplied nor directed by the Continental Army.
    In 1780 after making insufficient progress in conquering the Northern Colonies, the British adopted their “Southern Strategy.” This was an attempt to retake the Southern Colonies. Charleston fell in May 1780 to a army led by Gen. Henry Clinton. Clinton returned to his headquarters in New York City leaving Gen. Cornwallis to conquer the interior of South Carolina and then to move into North Carolina. The British probes into the South Carolina Piedmont ran into immediate resistance from the Scots-Irish inhabiting the uplands. Huck’s Defeat (Battle of Williamson’s Plantation) in July, 1780, was the first British loss. Other British defeats at the hands of Scots-Irish mounted militia were at Musgrove’s Mill, Blackstock’s Plantation, and Kings Mountain. This militia together with relatively small numbers of Continentials defeated the British at Cowpens and Guilford Courthouse. It was the fierce resistance of the backcounty Scots-Irish in Georgia, the Carolinas and southwestern Virginia that forced Cornwallis to take his army to Yorktown for recuperation and resupply, where the war ended.

    I’ve rarely encountered spouting as ignorant as yours.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  59. Anon[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    And none of the Anatolians or hunter-gatherers were.

    The Anatolians were Indo-Europeans, nigger.

    See Troy, the Greeks, the Scythians, the Cimmerians, the Mittanni leadership (over the Hurrians) (with whom the first inscriptions of Old Indic language are found), etc. I suppose that studying would have cut too much into your muh dik time before you chose to demonstrate your ghetto level education here by trying to sound authoritative on a subject that you know nothing about.

    I could get much deeper into the etymology of place names of Anatolia, which directly traces to modern European place and tribal names as well as further confirms the “Aristocrat” or “Gods” designation of those people, but that’s too much for such a profane pretender as yourself. I’ve already cast too many pearls before this particular swine.

    Are folk-lore studies “eminently interesting” or interesting? It seems as if muh dik time also took precedent over the first chapter of the style book in your senior English class.

    What were your people writing before we found(ed) you, besides your teeth marks in the bones of your brethren?

    Aristocrat, a synonym for Aryan, was originally a racial designation: determinant of the people who brought civilization to the brownskins. More accurately, they likely set civilization down among a group of still surviving pre-human hominids living in the forests and caves, who came to rape females of the Aryan group to form the local brownskin races (though, it is likely that the Neanderthal proto-Semites were responsible for starting the Dravidian and Arab races from hominid genetics). Given one method or the other, depending on your origin, this is how you arrived.

    See Maruts.

    [MORE]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maruts

    They are very violent and aggressive, described as armed with golden weapons i.e. lightning and thunderbolts, as having iron teeth and roaring like lions, as residing in the north, as riding in golden chariots drawn by ruddy horses.

    In the Vedic mythology, the Marutas, a troop of young warriors, are Indra’s companions. According to French comparative mythologist Georges Dumézil, they are cognate to the Einherjar and the Wild hunt.

    https://www.jatland.com/home/Marut

    Bhim Singh Dahiya states that Maruta was the first king of the Jats (Guti) in the third millennium B.C. These Gutians who became overlords of Sumer, Akkad, Lagash, Babylonia, etc., ruled for 125 years and 40 days. Twenty (or twenty-one) kings are listed, the first named being Muruta (Skt. Maruta). And their last king is named Trigan.

    Bhim Singh Dahiya writes that: We have also seen that the first king of the Jats (Guti) in the third millennium B.C. was called Maruta. Now Maruta or Marut is an Aryan god also, who is the god of wind and rain. But there are other meanings given to the word Marut and on the whole it is clear that Marut is not only a god, but also a people with definite mode of living, particular dress, armaments and ideas of human equality with a kingless or republican form of government.

    (iii) They bear spears on their shoulders.

    (iv) They have movable bows (on their bodies) and immovable bows on their chariots. These chariots are drawn by horses or stags.58 रथेषु पृषती: Their chariots are full of arrows and food.

    (v) They have golden turbans or head dress on their heads. (शिप्रा शीर्षन् हरिण्ययी: Rig. 8/7/25).

    (vi) They have whips (producing sound) in their hands. (हस्तेषु कशावदान् Rig. 1/37/3).

    (vii) They feel pleasure in wars. (विदथेषु मदन्ति Rig. 1/85/4).

    (viii) They are the sons of Rudra. (रुद्रस्य सूनव:).

    (ix) Indra is surrounded by Maruts.

    (x) They believe in human equality. They have no superiors among them, nor inferiors. All are equal and move with their group strength.

    (xi) They are “well born” (sic) Su-Jātasah and they call the earth, their mother.

    (vii) They are brave among men.

    (xiii) They call each other ‘brothers’.

    (xiv) The whole world is afraid of them. (मरुद्भय विश्व भुवनानि-भवन्ते)

    (xv) They are like kings (राजान: इव ) but kingless (अराजिन:).

    (xvi) They have no higher (अकनिष्ठास:) or middle (अमध्यसास:) or lower (अचरमा:) among them; yet they are superior in qualities (sic) (ज्येष्ठास:),

    (xvii) They do not bow before anybody (अन्-आनत:)

    (xviii) They keep horses (अश्वयुज :), especially red coloured horses. (अरुनाश्व: रोहित:)

    (xix) They are invincible, and indestructible (न स: जीयन्ते;न हन्यते).

    They look ferocious. (त्वेष संद्रिश: नर:, Rig. 1/85/8)

    They are the Scythians, the Getae of northern plains of Asia.

    They are the soldiers of Indra; they are the Aryans; they are the Guts, about whom the authors of the Sumerian kings list queried, “who was king? who was not king”, because they were kingless (अराजिन:)-All were kings and no one was king!

    This identification of Maruts, sons of Rudra, with the Scythian Getae finds further confirmation from the Vedic literature. Satapatha Brahmana mentions a king, Marutta Aviksita, performing a horse sacrifice in which the Maruts act as his body guards, the Agni (fire) acts as his Chamberlain and all the gods (visve-devas) as his courtiers.

    Here we find a king named Marutta, and of course, the Marut bodyguards are his soldiers, and horse sacrifice is a Central Asian custom, followed by the Mandas, the Scythians and the Hunas. Now these Maruts are described as “Sons of Rudra” and Rudra

    I’ll cut it short there, again, to limit the pearls cast before swine. It goes much further back and forward, spanning the founding civilizational story in the Bible to modern Europe. Covering our ancient rivalry with the Semites.

    Enjoy not knowing your origin, floundering through this material in general, and then consistently demonstrating yourself to be a typical unjustly arrogant negro as a result.

  60. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Up until quite recently, white Europeans had a reputation for being more racist than nearly any other people.

    You act as if this isn’t a high virtue. By doing so, you out yourself as irrelevant by literally every metric: rhetorically, politically, spiritually, in terms of human civilizational development, etc. You are merely a Neanderthal-mongrelized Jew attempting to normalize your hybrid nature with wholly-modern (in an irrefutably degenerate age) pseudo-moral assumptions, established mostly by your group, that you ridiculously think hold as references here.

    Come back when you have something to say that is incisive, irrefutable / supported, and isn’t typically clouded by Jewish spin and ad-hominem. We won’t hold our breath.

    Jews, genes, are a distraction.

    This assumes that White Nationalism can’t exist in a rationalist milieu. More Jewish bullshit.

  61. anarchyst says:
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    I would agree with you that whites have taken altruism to the extreme, externalizing it and utilizing it to our own detriment, looking out for the interests of others over that is what is good for our own white societies. This is furthered by the “double standard” that exists between jews and “the rest of us”.

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”. This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is always denied to gentile whites.

    This is how jewish power is used to destabilize gentile societies.

    “Multiculturalism and diversity for thee, but not for me” is the jewish mantra.

    In recent decades jews have been so brazen about their perceived “supremacy” over all others that they may have overstepped their bounds–“the goyim know”…

    One good example of this is the proliferation of jewish menorahs on public property. You can bet that if Christian symbology were placed on public property, there would be an outcry by mainly jewish lawyers about the “separation of church and state. Lawsuits instituted by jewish groups would abound. It is interesting to note that even the White House had a menorah prominently displayed during the last few holiday seasons.

    Jews are of the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, us “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jews”.

    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.

    This jewish amorality is a powerful weapon, when used against whites and others, as it is from a whole other “rulebook” the jewish talmud.

    A good example of this is the concept of racial “equality”, (but only for gentile whites), backing it up with “civil-rights” and “equal accommodation” laws which are enforced by governments–but only against whites.

    These “civil-rights” laws are used as a “battering ram” against gentile whites to diffuse and fragment any semblance of gentile white solidarity and cohesiveness that may arise.

    A great reckoning dealing with the jews is coming. As gentile whites become more marginalized, the accusation of being tagged as “racist” or a “holocaust denier” is rapidly losing its “sting”.

    Increasingly, jews are more wary of being “called out” and recognized as “jews”. One can call a jew a shyster, shylock, bankster, criminal or ne-er-do-well, and it will roll off his back like water off a duck, BUT call a jew a “jew”, and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”.

    This is a major reason that many jews change their names to get away from the jewish “stigma” and to hide the fact that they are responsible for most of the world’s ills.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  62. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    (((AaronB))) well illustrates The Culture of Critique.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Amerimutt Golems
  63. Andy says:
    @Anon

    why not? learning from your enemy is an old, time-tested concept

  64. Wally says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I didn’t ignore anything, I was making points per Mark U’s comment.

    Indeed, increased dependency is a problem only because Marxists want it that way, it buys them votes.
    Don’t offer free everything & babysitting of adult age children at the expense of others and there will be no dependencies.

    Something like this:
    ‘A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.’

  65. Dutch Boy says:

    Those Indo-European invaders may have been individualistic but they also seem to have been homicidal. There appears to be very little remaining DNA in the European population from the precursors to the ID invaders (especially Y DNA).

    • Replies: @vasil
  66. @Richard B

    I think what we need is an explanation of explanation of explanations. Or maybe an explanation of explanation of explanation of explanations.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  67. @Anon

    You are such a shithead you don’t even understand what I was talking about.

    And writing long posts doesn’t prove you smart. In fact, it proves the opposite.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @Anon
  68. @Thulean Friend

    Yea Black African KANGZ didn’t want slavery to end as well since that is where a majority of their wealth derived from.A few African KANGZ were angry about this.Thought that the White Man was crazy for doing so. Arabs and White Euro Caucasians were not the originators of slavery on the dark continent ,Blacks were and still are along with their Arab brothers.White Caucasians are the ONLY group of peoples to end slavery. To Blacks and Arabs we looked insane doing it. Probably because of what you just stated Quote “One thing I will say is that a unique aspect with white people is a much higher sense of shame than for other groups.” Whites always killing ourselves for other peoples but never defending our own from other peoples. Now that is pathetic. And all other peoples think and act differently than White Caucasian Euro peoples. Which Whites can seem to get thru their thick overly altruistic heads. Most cultures THINK differently and act differently in their own worlds.White Caucasian peoples seem to think everyone thinks and acts the same. NOT!

  69. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ancient Briton

    Of course most of them were ” decent sorts ” , although as you know England produced many pirates for centuries .

    I am speaking in abstract against puritanism and liberalism , which in my opinion have been very bad for Europe and for the Americas in the long run . Nothing against concrete people , not all the swedes are Gretas , not all the english are Churchills , Henry VIII `s or pirates , not all the yankees throw atomic bombs like Truman …..

    Your distant briton cousins had a lot of genes from continental Europe ,

  70. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous

    Or maybe Kevin McDonald is a sophisticated attempt by Jews to distract gentiles from fixing their own culture 🙂

    If he ignores history and keeps you guys focused on genes and Jews, you’ll never deal with the elephant in the room.

    Jews are the people of Tradition, Faith, and Law – by blaming them for free thinking Enlightenment caused problems, he’s doing the best possible job of distracting you, blaming the thing furthest from the actual problem. In fact the thing, that if you studied, you might learn to become healthy again from.

    And by blaming genes rather than culture, he’s not only ignoring most of European history, he’s trying to convince you subtly that you are doomed, that you have no free will in the matter, that you’re born losers.

    In fact, if a nefarious Jew wanted to create a malicious agent against whites, he could do no better than MacDonald 🙂

    Is it a coincidence that (((Ron Unz))) publishes him? I think not!

    Ah, but it doesn’t matter. You’re too stupid to u understand any of this, and in fact, whites are doomed. If logic and fact could help you, you would not be in this predicament.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  71. Washedup says:
    @Wally

    Wally, you’re a card. You harp on the Nose yet clearly have no understanding of exactly how a Nose-financialized economy even works. It’s very simple. Banks make loans. From jump street the amount of debt exceeds, by definition, the amount of money in circulation. As the volume of funny money increases, the percentage of that money that goes to interest payments increases…faster. Result, people have to work more just to maintain their standard of living. More and more is extracted every month in the form of rents (visible and invisible) and taxes. With each compounding a few more stragglers are culled, the competition grows fiercer for the shrinking number of decent jobs and the overall standard of living decreases. Add automation and offshoring to the mix and the bottom half of society is doomed until they figure out how to create money with a keystroke as the central banks do. What you stupidly dismiss as Marxism is nothing but the mathematically necessary consequence of a financialized economy. No matter how much the real economy grows, it cannot outstrip the growth of debt. So until you have an alternative to federal reserve notes, you ought to educate yourself rather than insult your putative allies. Your abrasive libertarianism-for-dummies is an embarrassment to this comment board.

    • Replies: @Wally
  72. @Wizard of Oz

    MacDonald knows his European Descend people well. What causes them to be be what they are, is not explained by his volume. Too few variables, no gene pointers, a guess. The Western European group must have sub-classes, very distinct from each other. The Western Society at best, and worst only functions by poles of very different individual behavior, and different group mindsets. Another expression to be guessed at.

    We are far from relaying, more then correlation between the genome and social-cultural behavior. This is the typical book with a few ideas and comparatively a lot of wording. A shorter form factor would do well in pointing at the suggestions expressed. So “we´´ can get ahead.

  73. Bruno says:

    Does Kevin MacDonald présents this hypothesis :

    Western societies thar were 50% farmers in DNA have been de-aryanized by Jewish with the promotion of unitary universalist myth : Christianity, communism, social-liberalism, globalism etc

    Hunter Gatherer societies that were less permeable have been loaded with farmers.

    I wonder if 18 and Nsdao ideology was more farmers or Aryan ? Because they didn’t value much individual intelligence performance. And they développed a lot of social myth not based on individual merit (versus Rome or Greece)

  74. doggery says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    One cannot deny that whites in the U.S. are on a defensive guilt trip about slavery and the holocaust and being generally labeled as an especially cruel and evil people. All of which is bullshit by the way. Whites aren’t anymore prone to those evils than anyone else. Slave traders were Jews and the holocaust story is losing its punch as revisionist historians reveal the truth of that event. Whites are being singled out by the MSM to be the bad people. All unwarranted. In fact one can easily argue that whites are more sympathetic to the disadvantaged than most other races.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  75. MacDonald notes the Puritan “tendency to pursue utopian causes framed as moral issues,” and to see government power as a means to such ends. To this day, their secular successors exhibit what MacDonald describes as “a tendency to paint political alternatives as starkly contrasting moral imperatives, with one side portrayed as evil incarnate” and to compete over the intensity of their personal commitment to whatever cause they have taken up.

    You see this coming from American libertarians, who apparently don’t consider the possibility that, say, the advocates of fiat money just might have a legitimate point of view of how to generate money in a practical economy.

    No, libertarians portray their gold standard fantasy as the height of morality, even though it wouldn’t work in the modern world. You can’t “wire gold” across continents or oceans, and you wouldn’t want to lug bags or strongboxes full of gold coins as your carry-on luggage when you travel by air. By contrast, fiat money works just fine in our world because it treats money as an intangible idea.

    Basically, our elites’ stupid and damaging utopianism about “social justice” suffers from practical impossibilities for reasons analogous to why the gold standard wouldn’t work.

    • Disagree: Twodees Partain
  76. @obwandiyag

    Long posts prove that the writer is dumb, eh?
    Solid argument, there, Obi-Wan Africanobi.

  77. @doggery

    Good point, Dog.

    I’d just note that the first step in the African slave trade was some AFRICANS defeating other Africans in battle or kidnapping them and then selling their “brothers” to both Jewish and white buyers.

    How is it that whites are uniquely to blame when slaves sold in the coastal areas of West Africa had African “owners” / sellers in the first place?

  78. @Richard B

    Maybe the problem between individual and group is incapable of a solution. And maybe that’s not such a bad thing. Maybe the conflict between the two is the very source of cultural dynamism.

    Very to the point. Humans do not scale well, if not at all, but on a superficial level. That at the least must be genetic. The human brain is hard to put in parallel, in syncronization mode, and then come up with better output. Collaboration is not multiplication. Different vocabularies more or less coherent is a best effort for most theories that sustain a book length.

  79. Wally says:
    @Washedup

    Desperately dumb strawmen again.

    You utterly ignore what I posted because you cannot show that what I posted is wrong.
    But then that’s what dim Marxists do. Dodge & distract.

    The strawman bank loan silliness that you posted is not free market economy based, but you laughably pretend that it is and therefore claim it must be destroyed. The epitome of, well, a false, strawman argument.

    Don’t like loans? Don’t get them.
    Can’t pay for your children? Don’t make them.
    It’s called personal responsibility.

    Also please show us where your beloved Communism / Marxism has been successful. We await.

    I suggest that you try earning a living for a change.

    • Replies: @Nalca
    , @Washedup
  80. AaronB says:

    White European countries developed immoral institutions like capitalism and generally uglified the world through technology.

    European writers used to rage against the uglification of Europe through machinery all the time – see Wordsworth – and against the the immoral institutions developing – see Dickens.

    European guilt has an old pedigree – the thing is, white guilt is the immune system of white people functioning properly, in a healthy manner.

    The really scary thing would be if whites did NOT feel any guilt – thank God, whites are not so far gone as that, and that they do feel guilt is surely to their immense credit.

    Obviously, the solution to moral guilt is to repent – that has always been the solution. You stop doing what you were doing and reform your life. Then the guilt goes away. That’s the only way.

    Unfortunately, whites continue to live by technology and immoral institutions – so there is no way that the guilt can lessen. No repentance was ever done, reformation ever done.

    You cannot wish the guilt away. It is real.

    Other civilizations have also succumbed to technology and immoral institutions, just not to the same extent. But at this point, everyone is guilty, the whole world, and I think everyone is beginning to realize that. Countries like Japan and Korea are in the midst of some sort of spiritual malaise. Koreans are barely reproducing.

    Anyone who does not think China will suffer from terrible guilt after its current horrific boom fueled by immorality is a fool.

    The Muslim world is riven by insane bloodshed and horrific violence, clearly sick at its root.

    We are all guilty now, the whole world – and anyone who does not think some karmic payback is coming is a fool.

    • Agree: wayfarer
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Bookish1
  81. Alden says:
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    Absolutely right. All this black behavior is just emotionally developmentally retarded toddler, not even childish, behavior masquerading as arrogance and machismo.

    Read those baby and childcare books and websites. They all describe behavior and development from birth to late teens.

    Emotionally and behaviorally, most blacks are stuck somewhere between one and 6 years old.
    Studying blacks makes one realize the old idea that children reach the age of reason at 7 is valid. Or, children of races other than blacks reach the age of reason at 7.

    Most blacks never reach the age of reason. That’s why they react and behave the way they do.

  82. Alden says:
    @Bert

    Aren’t the southern Ulstermen the heart souls and voting base of the Christian Zionists?

  83. Nalca says:
    @Wally

    Don’t like loans? Don’t get them.
    Can’t pay for your children? Don’t make them.
    It’s called personal responsibility.

    Then your government take loans, bad and useless loans and everyone have to pay them.
    Or, loans are imposed on you (under another name), for inability to pay tax and stuff essential for life and Voilà, you’re fucked !

    Meanwhile, loaners get richer and richer, so much that they don’t have to work anymore and now try to accumulate even more power in theirs hands because they have nothing else to do and are bored because they have tried everything else.

    So much for personal responsibility.

  84. @Anon

    The Aryans arrived much later as an Indo-European branch into India. About 3,000 years ago. They seemingly split in Ukraine around the Black Sea long after the period you have described.

    • Replies: @Anon
  85. @Anon

    Kinship is different from parasitism. Your group does the latter.

  86. @MAOWASAYALI

    Still Shimon, according to the SPLC and ADL kinship is okay for
    you guys
    but is white supremacy and waycism when it involves goyim.

  87. peterAUS says:
    @Richard B

    …maybe a lot of our problems come from our incredible inability to accept the fact that human problems are incapable of any one permanent solution.

    You could be onto something here.

    Like: humans are faulty creatures.

    …we’re in no position to laugh at the dinosaurs for getting themselves extinct. After all, they lasted a lot longer than we have so far.

    Yep.

    And, yet, so what, really?

    I guess that, for some of us here, there is a problem with this paradigm which affects us.
    Maybe….just maybe…”we” shouldn’t be in the business of solving the problems of humanity and Universe.
    All “we” should be doing is fixing our problem, as it is, now.

    So…all “we” want is to fix this “globo-homo” paradigm where “we”are becoming a targeted group.
    What is good for Whites?!
    Nothing more, nothing else.
    Well, some of “us”, that is.

  88. @Anon

    The issue is really North European egalitarianism and this pre-dates Protestantism.

    Before this new book MacDonald did look at the same dilemma when he reviewed David Hackett Fischer’s book Fairness and Freedom: A History of Two Open Societies: New Zealand and the United States (PDF)

    Nordic countries also have lots of women in positions of authority supporting destructive leftwing policies. The same thing is panning out in the Republic of Ireland where rising feminism and decline of the RCC has coincided with a third world invasion.

    • Replies: @Alden
  89. Anon[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    A typical nigger response that lacks any substance in argument or new information. Exactly parallel to the substance-free nattering of the corner-niggers in my city.

    Its funny how the races stay consistent in how they operate. Using a thesaurus to dress up that nattering doesn’t change its nature. As that tactic has always been, its only a magnet for laughter.

    Though, to be fair, its not like your initial point had any support or was characterized by accuracy (as my reply showed). My response to you was showing it much more respect than it deserved. It follows that we shouldn’t expect a reply that was different in nature from the first. You delivered.

    You are such a shithead you don’t even understand what I was talking about.

    Yes, you made a statement contrasting Anatolians to the Indo Europeans; when in fact they were the same group. Outing you as a moron. Not everyone is expected to know much about this, but only morons make public statements in regard to subjects that they know nothing about. Other than a couple of ad hominems, what other substance did your initial post contain?

    And writing long posts doesn’t prove you smart. In fact, it proves the opposite.

    Long posts full of historical information, refuting your ghetto-educated off-hand quips referencing history and full of fallacy, “doesn’t prove you smart”?

    First, I don’t recall the debate being about my intelligence nor do I recall me making any statements in regard to my intelligence. You are deflecting from the topic at-hand, to a ghetto school-yard (its almost a contradiction in terms) ad-hominem approach to this back and forth.

    Second, this is yet another typically negroid comment. Reflecting the typical nigger dislike of actual information over emotional supposition about deep history that you are clearly devoid of information in regard to but yet, in typical negro fashion, feel that you can pass your guesses off as fact and have a wider group not laugh you off of your stage.

    As Chris Rock famously said “Niggers love not to know”!!!

    Sheeeet honky, that textbook don’t make you smart an shite!

    You people are a walking, talking satire of yourselves.

  90. peterAUS says:
    @Bert

    “What is good for Whites”.

  91. Anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    MacDonald is someone who’d want his group (the group he sees himself as a part of) to behave like the group he has spent decades lambasting.

    That’s a gross mischaracterization.

    In contrast with the Jewish group, there is no extant strategy for any broad, native Western European group to act as a politically dominant minority in any other nation.

    Said Europeans do not have a “religious” textbook calling for the domination, genocide, and dispossession of any the majority populations that they might (but largely do not) live among.

    National defense as a majority, in a nation with cultural and geographic borders, and national imperialism across borders and with the intention of undermining and destroying all other groups are not remotely the same animal. To conflate them by omitting this information is to be a propagandist.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, 95Theses
  92. @Anonymous

    He or she is using other aliases to push the same nonsense to distract goyim.

  93. @Wally

    Hey Wally who you shilling for now? After being on UR for so long surely by now you have some idea about this modern society we live in, how it’s structured, who’s at the top and runs things, and all the rest. And now you want people to be “working” and slaving for them so they get richer and more powerful and get to squeeze the rest of us even more with the profits and taxes they make. Maybe those lazy blacks weren’t that wrong when in their old speak they used to say that they didn’t want to caught “working for the man”. And you know who the “man” is? Maybe he looks white but you know better than that. Your “modern society” seems like some abstract concept and not what it really is in the real world. And if those over breeding, low IQ, lazy types are unfit for it why is the “man” importing them by the planeloads, boatloads, and caravan loads? Now if things were different I could agree with you but as things stand now working hard only empowers those who rule over us. And then with the taxes from the work you do they’ll be subsidising those others you don’t want around. But yeah, it’s a tough situation all around except for those on top. Under the circumstances I don’t think work should be the top priority but since nobody is doing much to change things I suppose there’s not much you can do except keep on working and thus further propping up that system that you obviously aren’t happy with. With all the taxes people pay from their work they haven’t even built a wall but sure are paying for even more of those arrivals crossing the borders. So work sets you free working for the you know who? Whether you work or don’t work it’s all going to hell. Unless … something …

  94. Anon[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The Aryans arrived much later as an Indo-European branch into India. About 3,000 years ago. They seemingly split in Ukraine around the Black Sea long after the period you have described.

    I didn’t describe any one period. So what are you talking about?

    You’re going to need much more than an off-hand assertion, with its intended context (which I am in the dark over), to enter a debate with me and which I was not aware existed beyond me correcting Negroni over Anatolian and Aryan identity.

    The vast majority of my information can be found on Wikipedia or from primary sources. There isn’t much debate unless you want to engage in extensive proofs to disprove what has already been supported and is accepted by mainstream historians. Or if you want to engage, head-on, with primary sources. In short, you seem to be talking just to hear yourself speak.

    I suggest that you get much more clear, expansive, and supportive of your ideas if your task isn’t merely to gum up any further conversation (again, which I am still struggling to find beyond my initial intention). Enlighten us. However, I hope that you know what you are talking about if you choose to do so. Otherwise, you’re going to derail this comments section due to one comment by Negroni.

    What, exactly, do you wish to debate and what is your support for it? Be clear.

    • Replies: @Alden
  95. Washedup says:
    @Wally

    You refuse to see the big picture. As the overall volume of debt increases, it trickles down to EVERYONE, including people who do not take out loans. Every time anyone spends money, on ANYTHING, an ever-increasing chunk of that money goes to the bank in the form of indirect debt service. When YOU buy a book, or rent an apartment, or pay a plumber, most of that money trickles up to the bank instead of remaining in circulation. When you buy a hamburger, most of the money goes to paying the restaurant’s artificially elevated rent. That rent is elevated because the banks have been flooding the economy with cheap credit for forty years, which creates asset bubbles. When you pay taxes, much of the money goes to paying off government debt. As the volume of capital in circulation increases, the percentage that is skimmed in the form of indirect debt service increases. You can’t see it because you think in terms of supply and demand. The more money that goes to debt service, the less money that is available to feed the real economy. So it shrinks and takes your brothers down with it even if they never took out loans. Even if they have jobs. This practice is the principal technique used by the Nose to undermine host societies, and you don’t even understand it! Every time you exhort the whiners to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, you are doing the work of the people you criticize. Because the essence of a Nose-financialized economy is that the goyim are herded and periodically shorn like sheep. We do not live in a free market economy; this is only possible when money is backed by something other than debt. We live in a financialized economy, which means that any work you do objevtively feeds the parasite more than it feeds the host. You illustrate beautifully that (((Ayn Rand))) style libertarianism is just another of their clever tricks to get you working for them. They even get you to attack your brothers for not working hard enough for them! You think like a slave.

    • Replies: @Wally
  96. Anon[407] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    White European countries developed immoral institutions like capitalism and generally uglified the world through technology.

    We do know that Jews are inherent communists as a means to create a slave state for non-Jews, and we do know that the Jewish texts demand an erasure to all technology (binding Azazel, etc) in the genocidal apocalyptic period that is demanded by them.

    It follows that you are not agitating for anything different from Jewish-nationalist interests.

    As such, your agitation carries zero weight.

    Moreover, Jews have long been at the center of Western banking and its associated backing of capitalism. Leveraging economics, whether through capitalism or communism, against ethnic nationalism and its bonds (the core of popular political power) are two heads of the same snake. As has long been pointed out by those opposed to Jews.

    European guilt has an old pedigree – the thing is, white guilt is the immune system of white people functioning properly, in a healthy manner.

    The really scary thing would be if whites did NOT feel any guilt – thank God, whites are not so far gone as that, and that they do feel guilt is surely to their immense credit.

    The world will reach perfection when all Jews fuck off back to the desert and will not feel entitled to comment on nations and peoples of which they are not a part of. What is highly dysfunctional is that you are involved with us whatsoever, and that you feel entitled to an opinion. You aren’t. No Jew is in any moral position to critique us. The thought is laughable. The world’s primary issue, as has long been expressed by brilliant men, is that you have wandered outside of your national borders. One day we will solve the world’s most pressing issue.

    You cannot wish the guilt away. It is real.

    Sorry, the attempt of Jews to impose guilt (as a social weapon for their interests), as you do here, does not equate to real guilt. Your tongue is s snake’s tongue and we would no sooner take anything that comes from it as fact than we would from any metaphorical serpent.

    What will happen, in the end, is that you will be held accountable for your attempts, as encapsulated in your rant in this post, and your successes in harming us.

  97. Rich says:
    @AaronB

    Which group of Jews do you believe represent “Tradition, Faith and Law”? The secularists who represent the overwhelming majority? The Reformed with their female rabbis, love of abortion and acceptance of homosexuality? Perhaps the Conservatives, although most of them have moved as far to the left as the Reformed? The Orthodox maybe, but they’re still a very small percentage of Jews, much lower than that of Traditional Christians within Christianity. The solution rests outside the three Abrahamic faiths, I think.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Alden
  98. @AaronB
    And by blaming genes rather than culture, he’s not only ignoring most of European history, he’s trying to convince you subtly that you are doomed, that you have no free will in the matter, that you’re born losers.

    Ah, but it doesn’t matter. You’re too stupid to u understand any of this, and in fact, whites are doomed. If logic and fact could help you, you would not be in this predicament.

    Claiming genes don’t matter and then calling people stupid when they dare to step outside the narrative. That is the basis of both liberal and libertarian thinking on economics and I don’t see where it is getting us.

    If culture is everything then please provide a logical response to why the third world exists and why both globalist left and right plans have failed to correct it since 1949 (and for some countries even earlier).

    Please also try to do this without calling people stupid. To this day I have not heard a liberal or libertarian give a coherent answer to that question. If your answer is “corruption” you will have to explain how Western countries like Italy had corruption for decades and were still able to progress economically.

    I’m honestly not a fan of encouraging White nationalism but both liberal and libertarians seem unable to explain the third world within the scope of culture. I also don’t care for Jewish conspiracies since they do nothing to undermine the right/left false spectrum which I see as the real problem.

    As for this book I really don’t care about what it says. Twin studies already showed us that blank slate simply isn’t true and the entire education system along with mainstream right and left has completely ignored them. The University system and the media constantly push blank slate propaganda and it is so deep to the point that they think it is “the science” without question. Any “advanced theories” types books on genes and culture will just be read by oddballs that have no influence over anyone.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  99. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    The swedes are more ans more psychotic , they will end up creating a matter in school to communicate with extraterrestrians

    https://www.rt.com/news/469785-swedish-schools-drop-history-postmodernism/

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  100. Professor MacDonald is a very smart man who has explained the origins of Jew behaviour in European Christian nations. MacDonald explains the Jew proclivity to be hostile to the European Christians who unwisely allowed them to enter their nations. Dozens of kingdoms, principalities and nations have thrown the Jews out because of their behaviour.

    Remember: Anti-Jewism is a response to Jewish behaviour.

    Kevin MacDonald had a letter to the editor printed in the Wall Street Journal in April of 2018 in which he briefly stated that Jews have been pushing for open borders mass immigration for a long damn time.

    Kevin MacDonald in the Wall Street Journal on the Jew push for open borders mass immigration:

    In dismissing my argument that Jewish organizations have been disproportionately influential in U.S. immigration policy, Abraham Miller fails to confront the data compiled in my 1998 book “The Culture of Critique,” which also describes changes in academic attitudes on race critical to passage of the 1965 Immigration Act (“The Theory Behind That Charlottesville Slogan,” op-ed, April 3). It was absolutely understood by both restrictionists and antirestrictionists in Congress that Jewish organizations spearheaded opposition against the 1924 law’s national origins, despite little public support.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/jewish-organizations-had-a-role-in-1965-act-1523374146

    The key point is that organized Jewry in the United States pushed extremely hard to open the mass immigration floodgates in the decades prior to the passage of the nation-wrecking 1965 Immigration Act.

    Professor Kevin MacDonald is a great man with a lot of guts.

    • Agree: geokat62
  101. @Anon

    The White Core American political party, once in control of the American Empire, will take a weekend out of its busy schedule to dislodge the evil Swedish ruling class and install a patriotic Swedish ruling class that will expel all the foreigners and all the globalizer mass immigration extremist Swedes who need to be forcibly exiled from Sweden.

    The White Core American ruling class of the American Empire will put these globalizer mass immigration extremist Swedes in a concentration campground in sub-Saharan Africa.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING!

    • LOL: Alden
  102. AaronB says:
    @John Johnson

    The Third World exists because the people who live there do not prioritize the kind of thinking that is necessary for being First World, and do not reorganize their lives to that end.

    First World conditions are not an unalloyed good – they come with serious drawbacks, and require difficult discipline. They require sacrificing some good things. They lead to alienation, boredom, meaninglessness.

    In short, people around the world have legitimately different values – Germans favor efficiency, Italians favor fun.

    Which is “correct”?

    You suffer from the belief that everyone wants to be First World – sure, everyone wants the power, the wealth, and the good bits, but aren’t willing to make the sacrifices needed.

    That being said, there is no need to be a Blank Slatist or a hereditarian – there is a sane, balanced, healthy middle, with perhaps a bit on the side of culture.

    Finally, why not accept an element if mystery? Why must we pretend we understand everything? We don’t really know in the end why some societies develop as they do. Genes play a role, sure, but not a huge one. Culture foes, too. But then there are things we don’t understand.

    • Replies: @Alden
  103. vasil says:

    ironically the ones who died of pestis all over europe for lack of sanitations were anatolian farmers thenselfs one of the primary reason of the rapid takeover of the aryans
    not only that the average height of aryans was 15 cm higher than the anatolian population that can be viewed even today comparing a full anatolian farmer like sardinians to a half aryan population like norwegians.

  104. Ahoy says:

    The White Man is the centuries old enemy of the Chosen. First they brought to its knees the Tzarist Russia. From 1917 to 1954 they slaughtered 66 mil. Russian Orthodox and raised 28000 churches (Soltsenitsyn).

    Next was Germany and the Jews declare war on Germany, with their man as a leader of that country. Maximum kill ratio per bullet was assured in WW2. About 100 mil. whites.

    The remnants of the White Man in America will be DISPOSSESSED trough the never ending wars in the M.E., poverty, break down of big city infrastracture and substitution by Afroasians.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  105. Without organized jewry pushing to open our borders (and the borders of every white nation on earth) America would still be 90% white.

    The jews have deliberately wrecked western civilization by using massive immigration as a weapon.

    The demographics projections are dire for white Christian people and the jews are to blame.

    As non-whites overwhelm every white nation, every white nation will veer hard to the left, and jewish control will be complete.

    These were long range plans that took relentless effort, an endless money supply, and a deep and abiding hatred for Christendom.

  106. MacDonald notes the Puritan “tendency to pursue utopian causes framed as moral issues,” and to see government power as a means to such ends….

    Thus Multiculturalism and replacement-level immigration have been presented to the public as moral imperatives only opposed by vicious, hate-filled bigots. This is the secular Puritan mindset in its purest form. If allowed to run riot, it will not create a tolerant multicultural utopia but merely destroy everything distinctive the West, including the moralistic egalitarianism which motivates its partisans.

    Not buying this. The Puritans left England because they disagreed with the government, it’s hard to think how they would in turn want such government power for themselves. This also contradicts his earlier assertion that they are for individualism:

    Puritanism and its secular successors such as Transcendentalism and the Social Gospel represent a resurgence of egalitarian individualism.

    Maybe their descendants want such government power because they’ve lost their ways, not the original Puritans.

    I think it’d be more accurate if MacDonald replaces “Puritan” with “Jewish”. The descendents of Puritans, like the WASP Bush Sr. went along with the Jew engineered mass immigration plan due to a combination of a) they mistake cowardice for “gentlemanliness” and are afraid of attacks like being called “racist” by the Jew run media if they disagree, b) they want to please their business donors who want cheap labor and more customers and are again, often Jewish, and 3) they are naive fools who think that is the magnanimous Christian way and as always, 4) they think this will gain them more votes.

  107. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous212"] says:
    @obwandiyag

    ‘Folklore studies are eminently interesting but nobody actually believes fairy tales.’

    No fairy tales survive from the period of the Aryan invasion of Europe. Myths perhaps. But then you are rather stupid and probably do not understand the difference between the two.

    Anyway as we all know about Africans:

    We Wuz Kangz!

    You are the new tiny duck.

  108. @AaronB

    White European countries developed immoral institutions like capitalism and generally uglified the world through technology.

    And yet here you are using that technology to bash Europeans.

    African countries are free to abandon agricultural and technological advances and go back to living in the bush. That would also mean killing off most of their herds. I somehow doubt that will happen.

    Everyone likes to bash Western society and especially White men on the internet and then take a break to get a refrigerated soda in their air conditioned home. Real amusing.

    Obviously, the solution to moral guilt is to repent – that has always been the solution. You stop doing what you were doing and reform your life. Then the guilt goes away. That’s the only way.

    The solution to White guilt is to temper it with affirmation that doesn’t encourage arrogance. Find a balance between “White people cause all problems ” and “White people are always super awesome”.

    The current system causes endless guilt by promoting the accomplishments of every other racial group while convincing White students they are of an immoral bloodline and unworthy of group esteem. It’s not healthy and not fair either if we tell other groups that they are great because of their accomplishments and not their sins. Slavery existed in Africa before the international slave trade and most of the slaves went to Arab countries where they castrated the males. But pop open a High School history book and you won’t see that mentioned. It’s all about Europeans and the sins that you speak of. No mention that European countries ended the international slave trade to the resentment of Arab countries. If egalitarians were to support an “Arab History Month” in America or Europe I guarantee there won’t be any mention of slavery or brutal Muslim conquests. Maybe you think that double standard should exist but I haven’t seen a rational explanation if the goal is a healthy society.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  109. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous212"] says:
    @Anon

    Sure- in self defence. Absent the hostile Jewish elite and other groups Macdonald wants a high trust advanced European society where White ethnocentrism will not matter as much.

    • Replies: @Kevin MacDonald
  110. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous212"] says:
    @HallParvey

    Or just a case of what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. It is no wonder Jews have worked feversihly to suppress White ethnocentrism.

    Whatever.

  111. Pheasant [AKA "anonymous212"] says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    ‘Without having studied his work in any depth I nonetheless speculate that his explanation for charactetistically Jewish behaviour puts far too much emphasis on genes.’

    Nope. There is a reason it is called the *culture*of critique.

    Bonus question:

    Who are the Karites?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  112. jsigur says:
    @MAOWASAYALI

    he’s becoming a “good goy”

  113. AaronB says:
    @John Johnson

    Yes, I noted that no one has been able to resist the seduction of technology, and that everyone is guilty, not just whites.

    I used to think non white countries were better, but they are as bad or worse in some ways.

    However, it remains true that most non white countries have retained some “spiritual” element, however corrupted and fleeting. And it remains true that whites bear special responsibility for unleashing this on the world.

    It does not have to be a tragedy – but the guilt is genuine, and how can it be resolved if one doesn’t repent? If one gets lost in distractions like genes and Jews?

  114. @Far side of the moon
    Not buying this. The Puritans left England because they disagreed with the government, it’s hard to think how they would in turn want such government power for themselves. This also contradicts his earlier assertion that they are for individualism

    I would point out that they were against a lot of the sexual individualism that existed in Europe. They weren’t against sex but were strictly against it outside of marriage to the point that you could be outcasted for sexual transgressions.

    But I don’t doubt the greater point which is that modern secular egalitarians are being driven by egalitarian genes that worked better for small groups. It better explains Nordic founded Minnesota and Seattle where you have politicians that not only fully buy into globalism but want to bring in more immigrants to undermine their political enemies. In modern Sweden you can go to prison for simply posting on a forum like this one, even if you are sharing undisputed facts. To believe this is all “by chance” seems unlikely.

    Maybe their descendants want such government power because they’ve lost their ways, not the original Puritans.

    They want government power because they believe they are correct. In their minds a lack of power will only lead to dystopia.

    Government power isn’t a problem in itself, the problem is when the wrong people have it. We have tried minimal government and it didn’t work as libertarians predicted. In a multicultural society it seems to work even worse because competing groups see existing codes or morals and a hindrance to their own group’s progress. But even with an ideal society I think libertarianism has too many problems and is really just a giant bucket of bull manure created by a witch of a woman that really didn’t care about the US or Western Europe. In fact the heroes of her poorly written stories ran off from their home countries.

  115. AaronB says:
    @Rich

    The solution rests outside the three Abrahamic faiths, I think.

    Well, at their core, all religions are extremely similar. One of the things made me return to Judaism is that I found Buddhism at its heart.

    However, for most people, the external trappings matter greatly. They need this.

    Orthodox Jews have traditionally and historically stood for Tradition and Faith vs Greek Reason. This has been the historical role of Judah.

    To now single out Jews for problems caused by Greek rationality is particularly perverse and an effort at misdirection.

    Its true that many ethnic Jews are involved, although far more whites, but these are Hellenized Jews.

    • Replies: @Rich
  116. @Robert Dolan

    Agree, unlimted immigration via open borders is the zionist agenda to destroy America!

  117. I think it’d be more accurate if MacDonald replaces “Puritan” with “Jewish”. The descendants of Puritans, like the WASP Bush Sr. went along with the Jew engineered mass immigration

    I don’t normally post here because there is way too much theorizing over a certain tribe working behind the scenes on all European/American political policies and possibly the weather.

    Sweden should be a utopia with strict immigration limits according to this theory. Part of the reason the Nazis didn’t care about Sweden was because it didn’t have large Hebrew population.

    Now guess which country opened their doors to Arabia and will imprison you for pointing out that a certain group is responsible for most rapes in Stockholm? I wouldn’t doubt a supercomputer in Sweden has already flagged this post for too many “divisive speech” terms.

    There is some serious denial here of how White people will happily try to control the minds other Whites. It has nothing to do with Jews. The Greeks would argue about the role of the state but they all seemed to agree that the masses needed to be controlled. Modern liberals and conservatives don’t seem much different.

    • Replies: @The Cruncher
  118. Miggle says:

    That the author apparently ignores the Renaissance, the Reformation centuries from Wycliffe and Huss to Luther and Calvin and the hit back in massive martyrdoms and 30 years of Europe at war, and likewise ignores the Enlightenment, yet is suddenly on about Puritanism, not really European, an emergence in England and New England, very derivative of Protestantism, indicates the worthlessness of the book.

    Unless I closed my eyes at the wrong times and that’s all there.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  119. vasil says:

    hitler was right nearly about everything aryans literally built the ancient world from portugal to western china.

    a little precision aryans as we know them( in their pure form) only invaded europe from what is now ukraine , they mixed with the european farmer and from what is now poland they spread all over the world .

    Andronovo an aryan tribe building the system that still exist in india.
    pca from the aryans arriving in india (they cluster with modern europeans)

    View post on imgur.com


    [MORE]

    Sintashta building the ethno genesis of iranian people that would end up spreading all over the middle east forming the first modern empire.

    View post on imgur.com


    pca of sintashta cluster with modern europeans

    Hittites another aryan tribe building a country that alongside egypt would became the most powefull in the bronze age, were the ones who invent iron metalurgy.

    Mitanni and cassites indo iranian elite dominating the rest of the middle east.

    Scythians becoming the king of the steppe and teaching the finno ugric and mongols the way of the life of the steppe.
    pca of scythians and again cluster with modern europeans

    View post on imgur.com

    Afanasievo and tocharians spreading metalurgy, horse, chariots, apiculture to china that would let them start their girst civilization.

    And of course all of europe was aryanized too italic tribes , mycenians and dorians …..

    in fact the conquer of the new world have soo much similarities with the deeds of our aryan ancestors that is breathtaking ,you only need to read the illyad and oddysei ( the true bible of aryans) and see the spirit that have acompanied us since the very begining living and dying for glory and honour from portugal to china ,from the russians steppe to india have been present ever since the spartans died for ultimate freedom to nazi germany reclaiming our heritage ideals and values.

    HEIL THE ARYAN RACE

  120. vasil says:
    @Dutch Boy

    indo europeans as you understand them aka the ones who spread all over the world india iran western china,the steppe anatolia and the rest of the middle east…. are genetically identical to today europeans if we are speaking the pure preindoeuropeans that lived in ukraine north europeans are half aryans genetically .

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  121. Here I go nit picking again Mr. Devlin (in a collegial and supportive spirit):

    “Thus Multiculturalism and replacement-level immigration have been presented to the public as moral imperatives only opposed by vicious, hate-filled bigots. This is the secular Puritan mindset in its purest form. If allowed to run riot, it will not create a tolerant multicultural utopia but merely destroy everything distinctive the West, including the moralistic egalitarianism which motivates its partisans.”

    I believe something belongs between distinctive [and] the West, such as an “in” or an “of” or an “about”.

  122. Anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:

    The elites are gradually coming down harder and harder on white people, it won’t be long until white men in particular basically won’t be employable in anything other than menial labour.

    “Anti-racist” whites who think they’ll be spared because of their virtue signalling are delusional, as far as the elites and non-whites are concerned if you’re white then you’re racist by default, what you believe makes no difference to them. Whiteness IS racism as far as they’re concerned.

  123. Anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:
    @vasil

    It’s interesting how people often claim Albanians are not Europeans and yet according to that chart they appear to be about as close to indigenous Europeans as it gets other than Sardinians, it’s the Slavs who have higher percentages of non-European ancestry.

    • Replies: @vasil
  124. vasil says:

    we are a race of builders, warriors and dreamers not a race of merchants

    As long as you don’t understand it, europe and all the West will persist in its slow decline.
    we need to have big dreams again just so we will be able to match the deeds of our ancestors who were able to tame nature, cross oceans and battle to death for eternal glory.
    To reduce our existence to marginal improvements of the GDP is unworthy of us, it is not proper to our nature and we would never have achieved all that Europe is today with that mercantile mentality.

    From the ilyad and odyssey (our true bible) through the Roman empire that destroyed the ashes to the mercantile empire of the Carthaginians (proto Jews), to the conquest of America by the Spanish, the fascism of the 20th century …. all the history of Europe is a constant war for eternal glory and the reason for our prosperity.

    we have embraced a false creed more proper of Jews than aryans.

    Our era since 1945 is quite the opposite, unfortunately. The values of the warrior, such as courage, temperance, nobility, righteousness, honour and truthfulness are the object of mockery and ridicule. The current values prevail only the enrichment, usury, marketing and the most false and treacherous type of personality is rewarded. It is a world in which feminization also thrives, by denouncing the values I have mentioned above, which they do not practice or even understand.

    homeschool your childrens in our true roots so we can be free again in the future.

    • Agree: John Regan
  125. @Sergey Krieger

    The animal world operates with behaviors of my property and our property. It is unlikely that it could function with the behavior of your property.

    Man’s world will continue to fail in becoming civilized without the behavior of your property, without which it will remain part of the animal world.

    Other people are not your property and other people’s property is not your property, or the continuous savagery of the animal world. That is the choice.

  126. vasil says:
    @Anonymous

    ?????

    yamnaya or aryans are indigenous , they came from what is now ukraine

  127. @Anonymous

    I realize that seraphim isn’t arguing in good faith and/or isn’t all that swift, but for what it’s worth: White is a color, and black is the absence of color.

  128. “Get yourself a copy of his Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition—before the censors come after it!”

    Devlin, you are a perfect example of the cucked Western male (who is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim).

    You have already given up the fight by such a statement. WTF!!! You won’t even fight.

  129. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Now you double down on your Culture of Critique with name-calling and insults. So predicable.

  130. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miggle

    Listen, strange catholics tilting at puritans distributing light bulbs is no basis for a system of literary critique.

    • Troll: Miggle
  131. Wally says:
    @Washedup

    Again, you dodge my responses.
    Instead you keep the strawmen coming.

    – Don’t like debt? Then don’t buy what you cannot afford.

    – Don’t like paying rent, fine. Then buy or build a place yourself and don’t expect to live off someone else’s investments.

    Let us know when you leave for greener pastures. Cheers.

  132. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Jews are the conniving, thieving descendants of Jacob the Deceiver, as epitomized by your Mossad motto.

    • Replies: @vasil
  133. vasil says:
    @Anonymous

    he is speaking the truth thou and look one of the more sane commenter

  134. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Sad AaronB…still the slave.

  135. @Isabella

    There is one major problem with your analysis and that is if our individualism which is part of heritage is so bad: Why Does Everyone From All Those Countries Without It Try to Come Here? Why don’t you go live in one their countries?

  136. USA “ North American Wildlife Management” ‘ Model’,vast US National and State Public Lands might some day garner recognition, study re Euro Individual vein.

  137. Rich says:
    @AaronB

    But do you really believe Moses parted the sea, manna fell from the heavens or God told Abraham to kill Isaac? Do you believe in the Genesis origin story? Come on, Noah and an ark? There’s nothing wrong with finding peace in the religion of your kinfolk, but do you actually believe it? Or is it more like the Irish and their Hibernian clubs, the Italians and their Sons of Italy, the Germans and their Bunds or even the Scotch-Irish and their Klan?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  138. vasil says:

    [Comments lacking proper capitalization and punctuation are less likely to be published.]

    aaron b is right that TOO MUCH focus in genetic determinism breed despair and laziness when we are much more than a unidimensional math equation and a problem that could have been easily overcame by courage loyalty and hard work end up devouring us all.

    im in the nazi camp a convination of misticism and hard science is the perfect recipe for our success.

  139. @AaronB
    Yes, I noted that no one has been able to resist the seduction of technology, and that everyone is guilty, not just whites.

    I used to think non white countries were better, but they are as bad or worse in some ways.

    However, it remains true that most non white countries have retained some “spiritual” element, however corrupted and fleeting. And it remains true that whites bear special responsibility for unleashing this on the world

    Your concept of spirituality in primitive society is idealized by egalitarian modern media.

    Twins in Africa were normally buried alive as they were considered a bad omen. Does the end of that practice from Western influence count as the corruption of spirituality? Numerous African countries are undoubtedly better after adopting Christianity compared to previous belief systems. If you imagine Africans just praying to a lion goddess in peace then you need to read more about their history. Witchcraft has been a huge problem whereby you can have your neighbor or wife killed by just saying “she’s a witch”. Is that spirituality? What about the rainforest tribe that forces their children to take hallucinogenics?

    It does not have to be a tragedy – but the guilt is genuine, and how can it be resolved if one doesn’t repent? If one gets lost in distractions like genes and Jews?

    Well you clearly seem to think this guilt is deserved but I don’t think you have given a rational answer as to why Europeans should be walking around with it. Technology has been a double sided sword. It leads to vaccines and bombs. As I said before African countries are free to return to primitive living if they think it isn’t worth it. They have autonomy.

    I agree that Jews are an unhealthy focus. But I also think that White guilt is unhealthy. You seem to think Whites should walk around with guilt because of technology corruption but I think you underestimate how hard life has been in some of these third world countries and how Western technologies have helped them.

    But more importantly I don’t see how you believe society will be improved if we continue to load Whites with guilt. I don’t think it makes them better people. It’s primarily Whites that are working on a vaccine for Ebola. Should those Whites be emotionally burdened with guilt? Should they leave the hard sciences? This is all really stupid and will probably just lead to a backlash because you have to push endless double standards to even maintain such guilt. If you don’t want everyone to do their best then just be honest about it. Otherwise you have to explain why we should guilt burden some groups and not others, and then expect the same results which history says will probably not happen.

    Genes are not a distraction when egalitarians and globalist libertarians cannot explain how culture causes the third world and yet expect us to keep following their plans to fix the third world. It’s relevant to policy and I honestly wish it wasn’t. We can’t even talk about brain drain because egalitarians find it offensive. We are luring their smartest with Visas and then pretending everything will be fine because of culture or something.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  140. AaronB says:
    @Rich

    I certainly don’t find any of those things difficult to believe.

    But approaching it from that point of view is an unfortunate effect of the Enlightenment.

    These are stories from the beginning of time, from the dim mists of the dawn of humanity, and their literal meaning is not the most interesting about them.

    As for what I believe is literally true, the philosophic critique of the human mind carried out by the great European philosophers has shown me that I have no grounds for believing the evidence of my senses or the conclusions of logic.

    When the so called realists and rationalists finally admit that we have no grounds for believing in reality or ogic, I’ll discuss whether I believe in the legends of religion.

    • Replies: @Rich
  141. Bookish1 says:
    @AaronB

    If you think china is going to feel guilty for their recent behavior and achievements you are badly mistaken. Chinese have zero altruism and guilt isn’t in their vocabulary.

  142. AaronB says:
    @John Johnson

    Its not just technology. Its immoral institutions like capitalism, etc, and the abstract way of thinking, Darwinism, etc.

    And I certainly don’t think whites should continue to feel guilty – I think they should repent and get rid of the guilt.

    Guilt is a moral phenomenon. No one can “make” you feel guilty. Its an internally generated response of the conscience. The solution would be to stop talking about “efficiency” and return moral concerns to the forefront of society. Have a religion again.

    Its not about the past. No one can change that. Its about right here and now returning religion and morality to the forefront of society.

  143. Bookish1 says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Jewish control was complete at the conclusion of ww2. The fight isn’t over yet between jews and whites as I believe there is going to be some real desperate moves by both sides. If whites lose the fight we are done forever. If jews lose the holocaust will become a reality instead of the fiction that it is. All cards are on the table now.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Bookish1
    , @Alden
  144. The Third World exists because the people who live there do not prioritize the kind of thinking that is necessary for being First World, and do not reorganize their lives to that end.

    Numerous African countries have had Western education systems for decades. Are we keeping secret information from them? What kind of thinking are we keeping from them?

    First World conditions are not an unalloyed good – they come with serious drawbacks, and require difficult discipline. They require sacrificing some good things. They lead to alienation, boredom, meaninglessness.

    Well we agree here. But I’m not an equalitarian, just an idealist. Maybe a balance needs to be found. But the problem is that liberals and other globalists believe these countries need to be fixed and don’t allow criticism of their programs.

    Finally, why not accept an element if mystery? Why must we pretend we understand everything?

    This is the problem with egalitarians. They act like they know everything and tell us it is all culture. We point out problems with this theory and they resort to questions like “But what is progress?” and try to leave everything abstract.

    We don’t really know in the end why some societies develop as they do. Genes play a role, sure, but not a huge one. Culture foes, too. But then there are things we don’t understand.

    First you said it is culture and now genes play a role. But you also don’t want to investigate how much genes play a role.

    This is why we so many of us have grown tired of egalitarian globalists, and such critics include people like myself that actually want to improve the third world. You tell us the cause of the third world or poverty and then if anyone starts asking un-PC questions you to tell us that you weren’t serious in the first place and we should leave it a mystery. But if I had said that it’s White colonialism or it’s culture then you wouldn’t have corrected me, right? You wouldn’t have said oh genes probably matter too.

    This is a silly game and the third world is still here. Meaning I don’t see how you can be a fan of such an ideology and also pretend to care about helping anyone. I hate the poverty that exists around the world and it seems most globalist egalitarians just want to “feel good” about blaming Whites and not actually investigate how we can actually help these countries.

  145. I’ve read the end of the book……the nose loses.

    You can only fuck with God for so long.

  146. Bookish1 says:
    @Bookish1

    Let me add the jews have their obvious advantages in their control of american media and government. But jews have some big disadvantages as well. One Is israel is surrounded by hostile forces and greatly outnumbered. That could force israel to use some lethal weaponry that would bring a worldwide negative reaction. Another disadvantage is jews are a small number worldwide and anti semitism is now everywhere in the world. Unlike past times when jews would be driven out of a country there was always another country to go to with little or no anti semitism. But a big factor working against jews is the coming of the internet.
    With that jews lost their monopoly on thought control. The other side to things is now available to the average person and it makes liers of jewish media. If you take a look at your local library magazines section you will notice no one reads most of those periodicals. You only see people occasionally reading auto stuff and a few technical mags. Before the internet that was all there was for information is those all those mags and newspapers. The jews only guess at how much anti semitism there is because no one knows for sure. The worse it gets for white westerners the worse it is going to get for jews.

    • Replies: @Alden
  147. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Ignore Jeff the troll. Who uses the name of a porn actor as his commenting name anyway?

  148. Alden says:
    @Rich

    Right now in west Los Angeles Beverly Hills Brentwood Malibu the most popular secular rabbi for all those gawd awful $ 5 million plus Bar Bat mitzvahs and weddings is a Chinese lesbian rabbi who always brings her rebbitzen with her.

    And for months afterwards the guests oooh and ah over how enlightened and wonderful it is that their friends hired a Chinese lesbian rabbi for their children’s important religious ceremonies.

    Dunno about the rest of S California.

  149. And I certainly don’t think whites should continue to feel guilty – I think they should repent and get rid of the guilt.

    Repent to whom exactly? For what? Creating computers and doritos? I really don’t understand where you are going with this. I’m all for talks on how Western society has too much focus on capitalism and technology. But I really don’t understand this race based redemption idea.

    Guilt is a moral phenomenon. No one can “make” you feel guilty.

    It is actually easy to make people feel guilty through propaganda.

    It is done every single day in schools and in the media. White people are taught a selected version of history by egalitarians to make them feel guilty so they adopt liberal and egalitarian political positions. When they get on the internet and learn about what they weren’t taught the guilt is lessened. I am sure many here could attest to this. I had a lot more White guilt before I learned about what liberals don’t tell us about the third world. It’s actually quite shocking as to how much they leave out.

    Moral guilt is also relative to the morals that are taught. There were Germans that felt guilt for hiding Jews. Should they have repented and turned them in? Or were they wrong to feel guilt?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  150. If I was an astute Third World person, I might rather look to Fourth World educational subject matter rather than First World.

  151. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    It’s obvious you’ve never been to Germany if you think Italians value fun more than Germans do. German carnival and October fest beat any Italian festivities and go on for weeks. Overtime is a crime against labor laws in Germany but routine in Italy And according to numerous English men who work for Luftwaffe, BMW and other German companies Germans don’t work very hard at all.

  152. Alden says:
    @Bookish1

    Every year college high school and public libraries stop renewing subscriptions because no one reads magazines any more.

  153. Rich says:
    @AaronB

    A man stood in front of a sea, waved a magic wand, and the sea parted? Then collapsed on the pursuing army? You actually believe that happened? That God killed the first born son of every Egyptian, “from the Pharaoh to the slave girl”? And if you believe that, you have no problem worshiping a God that kills the innocent children of a poor slave girl, let alone the Pharaoh, the farmer and the goatherd? Really?

    If you’re saying you know they’re fairy tales, but like to pretend they’re true for the sake of appearing “pious”, well, to each his own. In my experience I’ve found that it’s very difficult for people to accept what’s real and many find solace in joining a group, some join clubs, others cults or religions. I don’t want to insult you, you’re certainly entitled to your religious beliefs, I just can’t help finding it amusing that people can actually believe that a guy who lived a long time ago built an ark, loaded every animal on the planet into it, then re-populated the earth (and made one of his kids’ descendants slaves for seeing him naked). Seems kind of silly to me. I prefer Philosophy and science.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Weaver1
  154. AaronB says:
    @John Johnson

    I don’t really know what to tell you.

    My thesis is clear and simple; European civilization lost contact with emotion and spirituality when it turned to rationality and science, and it lost contact with morality and developed theories like Darwinism, which are harsh and immoral.

    As a result, sensitive and intelligent Europeans – the best part of the society – began to hate themselves and their culture, and turn against it. They felt life in Europe was flat and stale. Many began to flee to exotic climes, and many more wrote about how awful Europe was. None of these people were Jews.

    This is not an original thesis; anyone who has ever studied European literature and philosophy, knows that the majority of European thinkers and writers were becoming increasingly gloomy and pessimistic and contemptuous of European culture.

    I am just restating the standard “diagnosis” of European writers and thinkers from the 19th century. It is only today, when most people are so completely ignorant of European cultural history and no one reads the classical authors anymore, that this is not widely known.

    The subject is too large and vast to convince you of on these pages, nor do I wish to do so. I offer you it for your consideration, if you wish.

    My solution is equally simple; the problem was caused by Greek rationality and loss of religion, and can only be solved by a return to religion.

    Will this happen? I doubt it. I think European civilization will continue to destroy itself, and a new people will emerge on its ruins with spirituality once again at the center of their life. The European peoples will mix with and form a part of this new people, just as the Romans mixed with the Goths to form the Italians. But Europe as we knew it will be gone, just as Greece and Rome and Babylon and Persia as we knew it are gone.

    I myself have no hope for the West nor do I anymore see myself as part of it or concerned with it, and I write more as an observer interested in a fascinating and recurring historical process.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Agathoklis
  155. Right now in west Los Angeles Beverly Hills Brentwood Malibu the most popular secular rabbi for all those gawd awful $ 5 million plus Bar Bat mitzvahs and weddings is a Chinese lesbian rabbi who always brings her rebbitzen with her.

    And White church goers of Malibu will spend 500k on a tacky wedding or graduation party without blinking. Secular liberals are even worse.

    That whole area is rotten to the core with greed.

    • Replies: @RonG
    , @Alden
  156. renfro says:
    @Richard B

    The result being we’re unable to properly locate specific problems and so unable to come up with workable solutions.

    We can properly locate some problems.

    But you’re right about this….

    ”In fact, maybe a lot of our problems come from our incredible inability to accept the fact that human problems are incapable of any one permanent solution.

    Man will forever be creating problems and then trying to fix them.

  157. gregor says:
    @Isabella

    “You cannot point to anything and say it’s genetic unless you can isolate the gene, give its location and chromosome and the biochemical pathway it effects.”

    This is nonsense.

    You don’t have to understand exactly how it works to know that something is genetic. We don’t need to wait with bated breath for a GWAS study to tell us that Pygmies are short, for example. Similarly, people have been breeding dogs including for personality traits for a very long time, and they didn’t need to sequence any genomes to do it. They just had to notice that offspring tend to resemble their parents.

    The standard of proof that you are demanding has only been possible very recently, yet the heritability of many traits was demonstrated conclusively decades ago through twin studies. Moreover, your demand to “isolate the gene” can only be done for some traits like lactose tolerance, but not for anything polygenic (height, intelligence, probably all complex personality traits).

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  158. AaronB says:
    @Rich

    What can I tell you, maybe I’m stupid or crazy, but these seem like perfectly plausible things to me.

    • Replies: @Rich
  159. Rich says:
    @AaronB

    How about Santa? The Easter Bunny? Tooth Fairy? Poseidon caused a lot of trouble in his day, right? Well, at least we had old Hercules back then…Hard to take anything you write seriously if you also believe in fairy tales, but to each his own. Best of luck.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  160. AaronB says:
    @Rich

    I do believe in fairy tales. Try it, its fun.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  161. @AaronB
    My thesis is clear and simple; European civilization lost contact with emotion and spirituality when it turned to rationality and science

    Nothing you have said here is clear and simple. You called White people stupid and doomed for believing genes matter, then told us that culture makes the third world, then admitted that genes matter, then told us that such questions shouldn’t be asked, then you said that you don’t care about Western society after telling us how it can be saved.

    You are here to do damage control which is why you are all over the map.

    Funny thing is that I don’t even like Kevin MacDonald or this unhealthy obsession with Hebrews.

    I just come to websites like this one because dishonest egalitarians and dopey globalist conservatives dominate 99% of the conversation. And yet here you are worried about the 1%. Hmmm what does that tell us?

  162. Anon[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    European people will have to temper their individualism to compete effectively in an increasingly tribal social and political context.

    Tell me something I don’t know. Tell me how to go about it? Can you teach courage and moral imperative and sacrificing for a principle via a book?

    The growing explicitness of anti-white hatred will ultimately work in our favor: outside hostility provokes a sense of group belonging and shared fate, just as it has done for Jews over the centuries.

    This has to be toned up way up pretty fast to have a proper counter effect

    White ethnocentrism may be naturally weak because of our unique evolutionary history, but it is still there beneath the surface, and current trends are doing everything possible to trigger it strongly.

    Again they are doing it strongly but pretty slowly and is spread out over a very large land mass. Things have to go bad very bad at many places locally for white folks to take note and come together

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  163. Weaver1 says:

    A lack of ethnocentricism among whites is due primarily to WWII, the power of centralized media to influence viewers (what Richard Weaver called “The Great Stereopticon”), Christianity (including social engineering by the Church, which discouraged cousin-marriage), and the recent idiocy of the Enlightenment which trashed all previous knowledge of politics and sought to replace it all with simplistic mass ideologies.

    I disagree that Indo-Europeans were genetically inclined towards individualism. Dr. MacDonald is an atheist, as I recall. As such, he relies on genetics to explain cultural behavior. While genetics obviously influence man, culture and situation do as well. If we look at Sparta, it remained very group-oriented and traditional, though Doric-descended (Indo-European). It was the mixed-white Athenians who became relatively individualistic, cosmopolitan, imperial, and progressive.

    Why were the Spartans not individualistic? Because they were tribal Indo-Europeans who wanted to survive as a group.

    Europeans are tribal even if aiming for individual distinction. Every group wants to feel special, and certain Europeans justify their specialness with the belief that they’re genetically individualistic. But the most important term in the article is “pathological individualism.” By returning to Aristotle, we can see that a state is an organism; the parts are meant to serve the whole. What’s desired is a functioning social organism, able to survive and thrive in a hostile environment.

    Dr. MacDonald’s belief in Indo-European individualism is categorically religious. He believes, because he needs to believe. We should not destroy ourselves on this false religion. I acknowledge Dr. MacDonald has devoted his life to his people, but it’s his belief that whites are individualistic which concerns me. It’s noteworthy that to make his case, he also argues there’s another European strain that’s tribal.

    Dr. MacDonald also focuses on the individualism vs. egalitarian dichotomy because of the Cold War. These two mass ideologies were programmed in the minds of his generation. People were told they must choose the one or the other, leading to a loss of detail and complexity.

    I look forward to reading his book. I’m a long-time fan of Dr. MacDonald. Most everyone disagrees politically.

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  164. Weaver1 says:
    @Rich

    Out of a need to believe in something, for the sake of order and sanity, “scientists” seem to believe in man-made global warming and wild theories about the cosmos, which include multiple realities, time travel, and other absurdities.

    Why is anyone “entitled” to a religious belief? How can you be so certain that anyone is entitled to… anything at all? That sounds religious.

    Out of a lack of religion, and out of a desire to be Nietzschean supermen, American Neocons meddle all over the world, often struggling to fix the unintended results of their past meddling. But they tell themselves they’re special supermen, because they are taking action.

    Without a religion, where does man find value? It was religion that ended cannibalism in Polynesia. If “reason” leads to a return to cannibalism, maybe it’s not for the best. Socrates was made to drink poison, because he threatened the religious order of his society. Without that structure, without that foundation, nothing is possible.

    • Replies: @Rich
  165. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    So you imagine well-documented reality is “immoral,” and make-believe is better. How childish.

  166. Weaver1 says:
    @Weaver1

    Addendum: A better dichotomy than individualism vs. egalitarian is foxes (scheming individuals who avoid war but think outside the box) vs. lions (honorable samurai-types who are religious, nationalist, loyal). Another dichotomy is city-dweller vs. peasant.

    There’s also an interesting George MacDonald quote, which I can’t find currently, which basically says that heroes are rarely the sort of strongmen we expect them to be. A general problem with this topic is we have a need to believe in certain things, but those things are beliefs and not truths. Regardless, my point is that the productive group-serving might not be as we expect. A true aristocracy of course serves the whole, tends to value tragedies, and is very conservative, seeks to preserve its position in society and the society that gives it position. Aristocrats are distinguished from plutocrats, who love money and only care for their own interests. However, it’s common among the right today to use the term “aristocrat” very differently. The term means “rule by the best,” but it doesn’t mean “exploitation by the strongest.”

    So, an important point is the power of vocabulary to limit and direct our thinking.

  167. @Julian of Norwich

    Christian teachings gave legitimacy to the absolute powers of the monarch and the grossly unequal social and economic system over which he and his aristocracy ruled. (….) Bishops were part of a religious aristocracy who themselves extracted revenue from the lowest strata of society by means of tithes, rents, licenses and the sale of relics. Occasionally, members of the church took a public stand against particularly repugnant acts committed by the monarch, but not against the unequal nature of the system itself.

    Maybe you are seeing only one side of things. It’s true that the Church was a part of the society where it existed and that there were Bishops who had power, but there were also monks who lived a modest or poor life. I doubt that local priesters could go very far exploring common people economically.

    It were priesters who first criticised the treatment of indigenous people in the American continent, or spoke against having slaves. You can remember Bartolomé de las Casas or Padre Antonio Vieira for instance. In Germany you have Thomas Münzer who sided with the peasants against the aristocracy.

    And how could Christian teachings have given legitimacy to the absolute power of the monarch? Monachs claimed that they were kings by divine right. Maybe nobody contradicted them, but this doesn’t mean that Christian teachings were responsible for that.

  168. RonG says:

    I follow the Golden Rule and you should also.

    All men are brothers and sisters is a good way to live your life.

    We should all work together to make this a better world, free of racism and group hatreds.

    We should not punish the many for the sins of the few. We should judge everyone as individuals, by their character and their actions, for good or bad.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  169. RonG says:
    @John Johnson

    If they are not bothering you as a person what is your problem? America is the land of the free!

  170. Rich says:
    @Weaver1

    Real scientists believe in provable laws, those that deal in unprovable science (like man-made global warming), are no different than those who believe in theoretical gods.

    Many of the “neocons” you refer to, most, I think, are very religious. Whether they go to the Temple or the Church they are able to find justification for their foreign adventures in Scripture. Jews especially can make the argument, if they are true believers, that they are the “Chosen People” to whom Greater Israel belongs. Their Old Testament also gives them the right to “put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” 1 Samuel 15:3.

    I believe that structure can be found in both philosophy and science. I understand that religious belief can help a lot of people, and perhaps they need it. But, like St Thomas, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands, and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand in his side, I will not not believe it.”

    Natural Law should be enough to bring about structure and values.

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  171. @Pheasant

    I think you mean “Karaites” and I’m sure you could find out in 10 20 seconds from Google using that spelling.

    Otherwise…. are you denying that KM gives evolutionary, therefore genetic, explanations for, inter alia rhe “culture of ccritique” or at least part of his Jew problem (that we may or may not share)?

  172. Calvin says:

    “European people will have to temper their individualism to compete effectively in an increasingly tribal social and political context”

    Fuck all collectivists!

    • Replies: @Kevin MacDonald
  173. Bookish1 says:
    @RonG

    That might seem to work fine until one of the bros wants to get even for the past or if your a white Male get of that silly shit and start fighting for your rights.

  174. @RonG
    If they are not bothering you as a person what is your problem? America is the land of the free!

    Who is “they”?

    What is my problem? I’ll tell you my problem.

    The problem is that I have to travel to a seedy back alley of the internet just to ask questions about the third world.

    This isn’t the land of the free.

    • Agree: brandybranch
  175. @Bert

    You’re probably right that an academic book like this won’t impact most Whites, but we have to have different types of messages for different people. It’s important to have some good academic works that dissent from current orthodoxy. I think that is why Culture of Critique had an impact. I have a chapter on psychological mechanisms for a White renaissance that apply to all Whites–the feeling of being under threat, the increasing prevalence of anti-White hatred and crime.

  176. @Calvin

    Try modeling what happens when a highly cohesive group competes with individualists. No brainer.

    • Replies: @Calvin
    , @Charles Pewitt
  177. @RonG
    All men are brothers and sisters is a good way to live your life.
    We should all work together to make this a better world, free of racism and group hatreds.

    That is globalist thinking which sounds good in theory but in policy you run into problems quickly with issues like immigration.

    What if the people of an overcrowded third world country want to move to a smaller first world country? Let them all in as brothers and sisters? Well you could destroy your own country by doing so.

    So we either have to tell our brothers and sisters to stay put or let them compromise our system. Well why does the third world exist in the first place? Shouldn’t we try to fix it? Well we can’t have an open discussion on that because it might encourage group hatred or undermine our globalist morals. In fact we should condemn anyone that doesn’t follow the non-offensive explanations regardless of merit.

    See the problem with globalist morals? It just leads you to lying and trying to control other people for the sake of your ideals. It also assumes the people you let in your first world country will adopt the same morals when for some groups this won’t happen because their ethnic or religious identity is stronger than your feel-good globalism.

  178. Ahoy says:

    Ι don’t believe that Americans have short memory, rather the accute brainwashing (CNN, etc.) plus strong head injections by schools, universities and think tanks(many of the kind) have transformed them to a very unique human being. ONE THAT CANNOT PERCEIVE WHAT IS GOING ON AOUND THEM.

    Otherwise to continue living in a happy go lucky mode when this is happening, can’t be esplained.

  179. Svevlad says:
    @obwandiyag

    Maan, everyone was smelly little people in ratty suits

    Anyways, the entire Vienna-Berlin historical school is dead wrong. Indo-european invasions never happened, indo-europeans originate in the balkans

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  180. geokat62 says:
    @Kevin MacDonald

    I think that is why Culture of Critique had an impact.

    Understatement of the century!

    Notwithstanding Cofnas’ sorry attempt at critiquing it, your CofC is the mainstay document that provides irrefutable proof of why the West is in the fix we’re in today.

    You are owed a tremendous debt of gratitude for your work and I, for one, wish to thank you for all that you have done and continue to do for Western societies.

    Be well, Professor!

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  181. Calvin says:
    @Kevin MacDonald

    Did your model include how a few rag tag farmers defeated a ruling empire ? For fuck sake! No brainers indeed!

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  182. @Kevin MacDonald

    Professor Kevin MacDonald makes an excellent point about the evangelicals getting just about none of their moral and cultural policies pushed in Swamp City DC but they do get the ISRAEL FIRST stuff pushed in Swamp City DC.

    Is this because the forces of ISRAEL FIRST treason use the evangelical vote as a fig leaf to hide the power of the Jew donors and Jew media owners?

    Kevin MacDonald can be counted on to use his Scottish discernment powers to bring things into better focus.

    Look at ISRAEL FIRST Jew Ham Saban and ISRAEL FIRST Harpy Hillary Clinton:

  183. @Robert Dolan

    What you write is true, intrinsically, but only partial of the actions and reality you attempt to characterize. I will edify your comments to make them more accurate and precise. My additions are in brackets.

    For example:

    Without organized jewry [and Whites allowing them to] pushing to open our borders (and the borders of every white nation on earth) America would still be 90% white.

    The jews [with Whites allowing them to ] have deliberately wrecked western civilization by using massive immigration as a weapon.

    These were long range plans that took relentless effort, an endless money supply, and a deep and abiding hatred for Christendom [and the failure of Whites to stop it].

    Strong people take responsibility for their actions or inactions. Your omission of the missing component speaks to the deficit of courage and Realpolitik of Whites.

    I am White and speak objectively. What is, is.

  184. @Kevin MacDonald

    Kevin MacDonald’s theories and formulations about the Jews as a hostile ruling class in the United States seem to be more accurate as the years go by. David Brooks is a prime example of a Jew who is allowed to pontificate about the United States on various propaganda platforms when it is clear that Neo-Conservative baby boomer Jew David Brooks has nothing but scorn and contempt for the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire must be dislodged from power. The JEW/WASP ruling class is actively and openly hostile to the historic American nation and the White Core Americans who are the heart of that nation. The globalization and mass immigration pushed by the JEW/WASP ruling class is an evil attempt to destroy cultural cohesion and national sovereignty in the United States.

    Kevin MacDonald Tweet from 2016:

    • Replies: @geokat62
  185. @Calvin

    Disrespectful and singularly lacking in meaning. You sound like a churlish, impulsive, low IQ, clump of mono cellular green algae, green with envy toward your better.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @Calvin
  186. @Kevin MacDonald

    Kevin MacDonald from February of 2019:

    The biggest myth in Israel-US relations is Evangelicals are all powerful. This is just a way of ignoring the 800-lb gorilla of AIPAC & the Israel Lobby. Evangelicals have next to zero influence on their moral agenda, but somehow control US foreign policy.

  187. Bert says:
    @Kevin MacDonald

    Kevin,

    Clearly I believe that your synthetically-based books have great importance. I own all four related to the current existential threat to Western Civilization.

    My point is that animus evokes reaction. Caucasians will not react and preserve their civilization unless they soon accept the fact that Ashkenazi animus against them is real, and is the reason for replacement-level immigration, endless wars fought as Israel’s proxy, and the financialization of the American economy which has gutted the middle class. Europe’s disastrous 20th century is largely explained by that animus. America’s disastrous current situation is as well.

    I believe that a set of experiments that compare testosterone, oxytocin and cortisol levels associated with inter-individual competitive staged contests would show that Caucasians and Ashkenazi are at opposite ends of the spectra of “nice” versus “cutthroat,” low negative ethnocentricity versus high negative ethnocentricity, empathetic versus triumphalist, measured versus radical. Physiological indicators of psychological states are not beyond the understanding of even the least educated Caucasians. If experiments show what I believe they would, then this would be much more powerful than, for example, Richard Lynn’s indirect measures of racial tendencies in personality.

    Some data on this topic probably exist. Recall the experiment wherein Southerners but not Northerners had a cortisol surge when they were bumped in a hallway by an oncoming lout who was hogging the space.

    Like everyone, I have felt aggressed upon multiple times during my life, but only in one case, a recent one with my homeowners association, have I had clear evidence of animus behind the aggression. Believe me, such evidence is a great motivator for achieving a victorious outcome.

    You may recognize this suggestion because I made it recently to you by email under my real name. I even suggested that I might fund such experiments.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Corvinus
  188. geokat62 says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire must be dislodged from power…

    A more accurate description of the ruling class of the American Empire is Supremacist Jew/Shabbos Goy.

    The WASPs were dislodged a long time ago.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
  189. @Hebrew Blamers of America

    I can turn on my TV at any time and watch non-Jewish White secular egalitarians blame White people for practically everything while completely ignoring contrary evidence and discouraging critical thinking.

    Or I can change the channel and have non-Jewish White conservatives and libertarians blame “big government” for all problems while completely ignoring contrary evidence and discouraging critical thinking.

    What does any of this have to do with Jews? I’ve had non-Jewish liberals and conservatives lie to me my whole life. Many of the ones on TV are filthy rich and but still continue to push lies.

    Maybe some of you (and especially Kevin) should consider the possibility that White people lie to other White people for their own benefit and it has nothing to do with Jews. White conservatives like blaming “big government” and White liberals like blaming other White people. If you created a TV channel that looked at our problems in depth you probably wouldn’t make a dollar.

    Posting snarky little gifs about Hebrew conspiracy theories isn’t helping anyone. If it makes you “feel good” then have at it. But you’re no different than the “feel good” liberals or conservatives that stick to their “feel good” theories that don’t actually fix anything. Feel away.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @Alden
  190. Calvin says:
    @Poupon Marx

    How cute. A sycophant defends his hero with a few adjectives and a metaphor. Yawn.

  191. peterAUS says:
    @geokat62

    Hear….hear….!

    You are owed a tremendous debt of gratitude for your work and I, for one, wish to thank you for all that you have done and continue to do for Western societies.

    Be well, Professor!

    Same sentiment, exactly.

  192. @Poupon Marx
    I am White and speak objectively. What is, is.

    Well that obviously isn’t popular around here. Maybe you and I need to find another website.

    Poor wittle billionaire Anglos and politicians are under mind control I guess.

    It couldn’t possibly be that some Anglos might turn against each other for political or personal gain. Or even their own petty egos.

    Thank God for Fox News which was started by an Anglo and has always told the complete truth and nothing but.

    When Hannity announces he is going to discuss racial poverty I know well in advance we will be getting a complete look at the problem with thoughtful analysis from a variety of sources. I know he won’t resort to cheap attacks and simplistic answers involving low taxes or minimal government.

    Slash s.

    In case anyone is wondering I don’t even know what a matzo ball tastes like. Doesn’t look very good. I’ll stick to pork.

  193. You have demonstrated my characterization of you (tentative and provisional) to be essentially accurate. You obviously chafe at Prof. Dr. MacDonald revealing the occult actions and hidden motives behind their actions.

    Anything for shekels, eh? Show us what you have, some line of argument, observations, Mr. Occasional Cucumber Pelously.

  194. @John Johnson

    I agree. Using parallels and analogies in the real world, any sports team or military fighting force-in order to win-would not always analyze and BLAME the opposition for their failures, and exempt themselves from self-critique, review, introspection, in order to change, revamp, revise their organization and increase their assets and review their liabilities. Is this not the nature of successful groups, whether pugilistic or adversarial?

    Your recitation of complaints of disparagement toward Whites is diffuse. There is such a thing as positive and negative criticism.

  195. Calvin says:

    Why do I get the impression that little bitch commie masturbates to her own verbal diarrhea?

  196. @Ancient Briton

    Ha!!! Tell it to that supposed intellectual!!!

    To obywandyg:
    By the way if everything is such kumbaya about multiculturalism in Africa, why is there such intense hostility towards the Chinese settling down and marrying the best of your women, in Uganda and Kenya?? If anything, they should be welcoming the chinks and looking forward to a generation of “chlack” men and women becoming a part of the African family

  197. Weaver1 says:
    @Rich

    Rich,

    I appreciate the reply.

    Many of the most influential Jews seem to be mostly secular. I acknowledge their religion/ethnicity is important to them regardless. Christian Zionists are bizarre. I suspect many politicians and political figures only pretend to be religious, but I could be mistaken.

    I’ve never been able to understand secular philosophical pursuit of ethics/values/purpose. Without God, life would seem but a disease of the dust. I’m not then some sociopath. I just don’t see the logic, which is why I like religion. Without religion, philosophy seems to be a game of convincing ourselves (or of convincing others in order to appear well to others) of things we don’t really believe.

    Also, while in philosophy one might have 100 alternative systems, with religion it’s possible to unite under just 1. That 1 then provides a common order for society and its members.

    • Replies: @Rich
  198. Weaver1 says:
    @AaronB

    AaronB,

    yes, the Enlightenment is the core problem, and Europeans are too proud to reject it. You’re entirely correct there.

    It makes me think of Fate: Sometimes the Fates reward one thing, sometimes another. Currently, Enlightenment values are harmful.

  199. @Wizard of Oz

    Great exchange between the two of you. If I may add anything to it, I’d like to emphasize that these inherent cultural traits are very hard to get rid of, even with much “education”.

    I worked for 14 years in tech and recently switched to technical sales as I saw no future for whites in that industry. Hindus, supposedly the cream of the crop from India, are fiercely ethnocentric and clannish with many of them very cliquish and dismissive of the blood and soil of America.

    All those graduate degrees couldn’t help them get rid of it but instead reinforced their belief of inherent superiority of their culture nevermind the low trust dog eat dog culture of the old country.

    A small percentage indeed get inspired by our high trust egalitarian worldview and emulate it. The vast majority of them think of that as naivete and exploit it to the max.

    I wouldn’t want us to emulate such a low trust culture but reduce the intensity of our individualism and tone down the destructive radicalism that some of us seem to have which ultimately gets (((subverted))) to push soul wrecking ideologies like homo mania and Trans fetish. Become more like the Italians of 20th century Palermo and Sardinia

  200. @Kevin MacDonald

    But my good sir, when are going to target those working the trades and those who have given up on life in the opioid scarred rural towns and cities across the country?

    It’s usually the peasant class that usually becomes the body of any kind of revolutionary change. They are the ones who usually have the conviction AND the courage to sacrifice what little they have en masse .

    There should be a message that issimple but powerful. That ultimately helps to dejew their usually simpler but more rigid worldview. And the best part is, once convinced and led by a true patriot, they can be a powerful force for change.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  201. @Seraphim

    Ah (((seraphim))), thank you for demonstrating, what commentator Bert and many others, including myself have been yammering about here.

    Your asheNAZI animus is real and focused. And like the pedophiles, is apparently irreparable.

  202. @anarchyst

    The dirty little secret is there are no rights, only privileges.

    If everyone understood that then there could be an honest discussion of options and public policy.

    Until then, let the lying continue–and the best liars will win! 🙁

  203. peterAUS says:
    @PorkTastic

    Not quite. Or, disagree.

    People like MacDonald provide a mental framework.

    MIDDLE-CLASS provide, based on that framework, practical methodology, organization and core structure. The fundamentals of change in the real world.

    Then, and only then, that “peasant class” can get involved. Not before.

    The bulk of the Western middle class still believes that the game can be fixed by voting etc.
    Will take some time to realize otherwise. Five years from now at the earliest. Probably later.

    The challenge, for now, for true people of the alt-right, is how to operate in an increasingly hostile environment.
    Timing is everything.

    • Replies: @PorkTastic
  204. geokat62 says:
    @Bert

    … and the financialization of the American economy which has gutted the middle class.

    What gutted the middle class was the Great Labour Arbitrage, orchestrated by the Jewish Supremacists on Wall Street. They outsourced manufacturing jobs to China and IT jobs to India. The massive cut in wage costs led to a sharp spike in share prices and a massive boost to CEO salaries and bonuses. The disparity in wealth have never been greater.

    • Replies: @Bert
  205. @AaronB

    As I suppose is your quite sophisticated kind of trolling. I hope someone will look up your comment record and tell us about your consistency or lack of it.

  206. Wally says:
    @Kevin MacDonald

    It’s really about time you got to work on the fake & impossible “holocaust” narrative.

    If Ron Unz can do it you can as well.

    I know you realize that it’s utterly contrived, but yet you sidestep the real ‘gorilla in the room’.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Agree: Saggy
    • Disagree: Poupon Marx
  207. @Wally

    LOL! What would UR be without Wally and his GO TO codoh.com prompts?!

    • Replies: @Wally
  208. Rich says:
    @Weaver1

    If there was a chance to unite under one religion, I’d agree with you. Here in the US there are so many different Christian denominations it’s impossible to figure out who’s right. At one time the overwhelming majority of Christian denominations considered birth control a sin, now all Protestant sects approve of it and some mainline Protestant sects actually support abortion and have homosexual clergy. Even within sects there is disagreement, so called “Cafeteria Catholics” who pick and choose whatever rules, or laws, they’re willing to follow.”Sola Scriptura” makes every man a Pope and causes as much disagreement as any within the various schools of Philosophy.

    When Churches follow “Natural Law”, I believe they are in accord with truth and here we can find common ground between Philosophy and Christianity on what is moral and right. For instance, Natural Law would tell us that a person born a male is always a male, and any faithful Christian Church would have to agree based on Scripture. Much of the early Church’s teachings were drawn from the Stoics and the Epicureans and this helped spread the Faith. I think it was St Augustine who taught that the Old Testament was meant to be read as allegory and not literally. In the end, if believing helps you get through the bitter night, if belief keeps you moral, if an afterlife gives you hope, there’s no harm in your Faith. As long as you don’t kill every first born son of Egypt, or kill every last Amalekite, or behead unbelievers, I think we can get along.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  209. Agathoklis says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Greece still exists, otherwise a Greek like me, would not be writing this.

  210. @Julian of Norwich

    To understand medieval times, you have to understand Late Antiquity (the Warhammer 4oK fictional universe is very loosely modeled on Late Antiquity). The sort of egalitarian organization you seem to be advocating wouldn’t have lasted in either Late Antiquity or Early Medieval times, and that had something to do with the Church not advocating such systems. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Antiquity for some glimpse of why.

    You might also take a look at Cromwell’s Protectorate and the troubles Cromwell had in convening a Parliament that was neither so secular that it spent its time fighting itself and stealing everything not nailed down nor mad as a hatter with mercury poisoning. It isn’t just a matter of saying “OK, everybody is equal now! Laws are gone, now be orderly liberals with high trust!” That was tried in Iraq, as you may recall.

    Counterinsurgency

  211. Bert says:

    This link is about a computer model that demonstrates that being ethnocentric is the only winning strategy in a population composed of both cooperators and non-cooperators.

    https://egtheory.wordpress.com/2013/06/30/how-ethnocentrics-rule/

  212. @obwandiyag

    See:
    Lewis Carroll.
    “What the Tortoise Said to Achilles”.
    http://www.ditext.com/carroll/tortoise.html

    Logic is a game people play because it _sometimes_ has fidelity to real life, and because they can sometimes avoid conflict by playing the game. Astrology, for example, is sometimes wildly successful (it predicts the seasons) and sometimes useful for avoiding conflict (by giving an unimportant (birth sign) or indisputable (Winter is about here) topic to discuss).

    An attempted rebuttal shows how much of a game logic can be: https://math.dartmouth.edu/~matc/Readers/HowManyAngels/Achilles.html

    Use logic for what it is and can do, and not for other things. Carroll got it right when he implied that Achilles’ only wining move would have been not to play logic with the tortoise.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  213. Bert says:
    @geokat62

    Overseas labor arbitrage is one factor; it mostly affected the middle and upper-middle salary range. Mestizo immigration caused reductions in the lower and lower-middle salary range.
    The encouragement of debt is another aspect of financialization, one at which the Ashkenazi are right in their element.

  214. Ahoy says:

    @AaronB #157

    The Khazarian Jews are trying to destroy European culture and not the Europeans. The pagan Khazarian Empire (central Europe) accepted Talmudist religion in 700 a,d. and after they were defeated by the Russians in 1000 a.d., they spread all over Europe.

    First they ate up through usury the Venetian Republic and they moved on to France and England injecting into them the usury poison. In 1812, after Waterloo, the Rothschildes buy the Bank of England from the King and the Khazarian Jews became masters of the British Empire.

    From then on, the war against the white European intensified and after two world wars and Vietnam we arrived at today’s drug and homo civilization. The producers of this mega movie the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, the scenario writers their minions on the plateau, Coudenhove-Kalergi, Soros, Barbara Lerner Spectre and the DC establishment.

    The last blow againt Europe is the Soros financed mass immigration of Afroasians. This grand plan will fail because Light can’t be defeated by Darkness. The white man is slowly waking up from a severe case of brainwashing and will reestablish its position on the pranet.

    Don’t forget that one can’t hide the truth through legal means forever. Keep in mind, that “to Know your Oppressor find out Whom you Are not Allowed to Criticise”, Voltaire.

  215. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    IOW, you cannot refute what I post.

    And BTW, the CODOH site is surging.

    Still owning you.

    http://www.codoh.com

  216. But a Greek like me says that it is just a name on a map. All the modern, secular forces that are Demonic and toxic have infected Greece. Greece and Greeks are not aligned with the Visigrad Countries of Hungary, Poland, etc. The present Muslim population will out breed the present cucked and hypnotized Greeks [no better, no worse than other Europeans]. Imagine the stupidity of Greeks by voting for a Communist over and over and expecting magic wealth distribution-from nothing, no base. The islands of Greece have had to be sold to keep Greece running; same with the port of Piraeus.
    Imagine the tiny islands of Greece with its small, poor, but content populations, waking up and finding a Soros NGO docking and dumping 200 Africans and inbred Muslims on them.

    Needless to say, the Government did nothing, said nothing, just continued to receive bribes and blackmail from the EU and ZOG NWO bankers, et al. I can only hope that Crete separates from Greece and becomes its own self governing country.

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  217. @Rich

    I do not think Christianity is viable as anything anymore in The West. It has been the causative agent for many wars since it arrived-a Middle East religion that was inappropriate for Europe. The Eastern Orthodox Church is Pharmaceutical grade compared to bilge water Roman Catholicism and the various Protestant sects. No recitation or elucidation is needed of how EVERY Western Church is aiding the destruction of cultures, national identity and RACE of its own people. Rheumatoid Arthritis is a disease that causes pain and early death by changing the body’s immune system to see its own tissue as foreign and invasive. Thus the immune system destroys and promotes other diseases-all from within. This is the searingly tragic metaphor of Western Christianity. The problem of it is corruption of the body’s DNA and RNA, producing morbid macro-molecules.

    The main issue is genetic and demographic. Like endangered species, once the gene pool is depleted beyond a certain point, it is very improbable that it will return to its former baseline. Most people, even here, are not equipped to discuss this or grasp its immediacy. The quality of White, Indo-European genes is also declining and will continue to do so, unless there is profound and extreme change.

    Christianity is similar to an outdated engineering system that made a lot of noise, and was inefficient. And overall ineffective, as its weakness and contradictions became more manifest. The literature that came with the machine was riddled with false statements and bad advice. Christianity did not SUDDENLY fail its Western people. The inherent desire and material weakness finally caused its massive failure resulting in catastrophe, which by analogy are fire and explosion. It remains ashes. Turning ashes into wool again, or melted metal and slag to the original is not possible and entirely futile.

    Look for another “religion”. There is one that is not a religion, but a way of life. That is Buddhism.

    http://www.aboutbuddhism.org

    To simplify and contrast, Buddhism takes what is Christian, for example, and internalizes all of it in each person. The entire Church and its body of work-much of which is abstract and useless-is THERE in each person. Meditation is the vehicle that gets you there to find it. Thus, Buddhism has accurately been called an internal “religion”[it is a set of teachings], while Abrahamic religions are external.

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  218. @Wally

    You don’t know what you are talking about. Dr. K. M.’s website contains much material in this vein, that he, the editor-in-chief has published. Why don’t you stop embarrassing yourself and find the time to read The Occidental Observer, and his other publications? Try some thought before speaking, writing, etc.

    On his website that he founded, a simple search for “holocaust” produces 517 results. Unnerstan’?

    So, for wasting space and revealing your lassitude and ignorance, you can go to your room and be without supper and computer games.

  219. Rich says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Which school of Buddhism do you think is best. Of the three main schools, which of the many sects is right? Do I have to shave my head, wear a robe and beg for food? What if I find the idea of reincarnation absurd? Can these Tibetans really look at an infant and tell you who they used to be and which one is a Lama? Do I need to meditate with a blank mind, or should I chant? Do you really believe Gautama Buddha teleported or levitated across the Ganges? Or ascended to Heaven to preach to his mom? Did he really put out a forest fire with his mind?

    Scientists studying meditation, Buddhist or Christian or non-religious, have said it does have a calming effect on the body. If you need to believe you’re coming back as the next Dali Lama in order to partake in its benefits, go for it.

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  220. Ahoy says:

    Two men that had the same idea of what to do, so Americans will not be dispossessed, were met by a bullet. Lincoln, Kennedy.

  221. You are such a silly boy. Ridiculing something you have read scarily more than a paragraph about. 500 million Buddhists in the World, one million in America-and growing rapidly. The Dalai Lama said that all countries have the right to exclude those who do not mix homogeneously.

    This is the old Western conceit and denigration of something outside of the “Center of the Universe”, i.e., Western Kultur and Thought. Your drivel is similar to those ignorant “Aryans” who told me that civilization began in the Germanic regions and peoples. I’ve read and heard the “Nordic Beauty Contest” aficionados rhapsodize on the inherent superior beauty and of their people, superior this and that. As an engineer, it’s a broken machine. Actually, inferior and weak material.

    I notice you did not make a case for the continuity of Christianity OR Buddhism OR anything else. The reason-at this point-I must assume is because you cannot.. You have not the knowledge or wisdom or experience. What’s the word that describes people like you? A naif? A clod? A Know Nothing? Sallow? Shallow? You choose. I see an empty vessel.

    BTW, my Transparent Friend [I don’t mean clear thinking] do not think my comments are an attack or an impugnment of your *cough* character. Consider this: an unambiguous Reality Check for you, a feedback loop, the will help you from embarrassing yourself again, as in this video clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pde9ACMKRTs&frags=pl%2Cwn

    The difference between her and you is you keep smiling and trying.

    Poupon

    • Replies: @Rich
  222. @Counterinsurgency

    No idea what you are trying to say because you do not refer to what you are referring to (you will call this response dumb because you are the dumb one, or at least a bad writer.)

    By the way, Aristotle is one of the first to venture explanations of explanation, and thus I think this whole ignorant little train of thought is nothing more of than the usual dilettante Unz blathering. In fact, this particular thread exemplifies dilettante Unz blathering more than a lot of others, with its fanciful recitatives on the supposed origins of their idolized supposed forebears.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  223. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    There’s a big big difference between 500k a family can afford and 5 million the family can’t afford and does it through credit followed by bankruptcy filings a week later, embezzlement, credit card fraud the usual mafia ways

    My point wasn’t the cost.

    Point was the gushing adoration of the Chinese lesbian rabbi and her rebbitzen the jews talk about her for months after the party. Note Goyim 8 th grade graduation parties don’t cost 500K and are for the kids, not several hundred adults unrelated to the kid graduates.

    Our Lady of Malibu catholic K-8 has an 8th grade graduation party that costs nothing at all. The sodas snacks and music are paid by the school.

  224. Alden says:
    @Wally

    McDonald covers the fraudulent holocaust extremely well. But he covers the damage jews have done to America and the American goyim as well.

    His biggest contribution is his historical research that Jews have always been subversive wherever they are whenever and whoever the people they lived among.

    So Jewish behavior can’t be excused by late 19th 20th century communism or making a living through usury and financial fraud but something inherent.

    Dr MacDonald was bravely doing his research when Ron was in grade school. You should read his books.

    • Agree: Poupon Marx
  225. Rich says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Obviously, you’re unfamiliar with the various schools and sects within Buddhism. That’s okay. Like anybody with a religion, it’s yours and you’ll fight over it. It wasn’t my intention to attack your strongly held faith in reincarnation or levitation or the ability to spot a Lama at birth. It’s just not something I find plausible. If it works for you though, go with it and find peace.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  226. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    So, why do you watch TV?

    • LOL: Poupon Marx
  227. Alden says:
    @Amerimutt Golems

    North European egalitarianism is very recent, maybe 170 years old and mostly due to post WW2 socialism. The German endless steps on the middle upper middle class stairway is worse than the English.

    WE do WE don’t is how the N Europeans differentiate their places in the intricate class systems.

    Here’s 3 questions that will place you in the N European class system

    1 the most important Did you attend state or private grade and high schools?

    2 Do you eat meals in the kitchen ?

    3 Is there a TV in your living room?

  228. @Rich

    “Obviously”–nothing. There is no obvious. There is oblivious, which is you. Everything you said is unfounded, or randomly generated. Sects or schools of Buddhism are not important and never were part of the discussion. No Buddhist fights over his religion, unless threatened by extinction, such as Muslim insurgents in Southeast Asia.

    There is no levitation in Buddhism. You are so ignorant and such a hayseed that you confuse counterfeit Hindu incursions such as Bhagwan. False assertions, ignorance, stupidity, and superficiality are what I hate.

    You’re not worth my time to discuss anything. I am genuinely sad that your cognitive ability is so evidently below average.

    • Replies: @Rich
  229. Alden says:
    @Wally

    Obvious you know nothing about Kevin MacDonald. It seems this article is the first you’ve heard of him.

    He’s done wonderful work on the holofraud. But his work focuses on every aspect of Jewish destruction of every goyim society they’ve ever lived in. What jews are doing and have been doing to our European American peoples is far worse than their stories about the holofraud

    We all have our strengths . No one can do everything. Amren exposes black on White crime. You focus on the holofraud. My bete noire is affirmative action. Everybody contributes.

    There’s a lot worse things jews have done than their lies about what happened to them in WW2.

    For instance in just 17 years American Jews de segregated the schools ordered school bussing and created the affirmative action laws and ferocious enforcement that’s made it illegal to hire a White man.

  230. @Ancient Briton

    “Aristorcratic” [teehee] refers to pathetic a-little-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-thing, loser, basement-dwelling, sword and sorcery worshiping, bozos expressing their great love for their mythical ancestors.

  231. Rich says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Apparently you’re unfamiliar with the Pal Canon within Theravada Buddhism, as well as other sects that teach about Gautama Buddha and his various miracles. I’m not very familiar with the Hindu version of Buddhism, but I’m sure you’d agree that these folks should be allowed to practice their Faith in any manner they choose. I’m guessing that your particular sect doesn’t believe in those miracles, but how about reincarnation? I personally have a hard time with that. The atheistic Buddhism practiced in the US always struck me as shallow, but, like I said, to each his own.

    I really didn’t mean to upset you, I see you hold a lot of anger towards the Hindu Buddhists and I wouldn’t want to cause any trouble between your two sects. Or between you and the many other sects within Buddhism. The Buddhism scholar Michael Jerryson has written about Buddhist violence and the myth of nonviolence within the various sects.

    I hope I haven’t upset your journey toward Nirvana.

  232. @Alden

    I don’t watch much TV, and never the news.

    I was just making a point that we have a media conglomerate founded by an Anglo that tells all kinds of fairy tales for the sake of wealthy globalist conservatives.

    So this hebrew media conspiracy theory completely ignores a non-brew media company that has zero interest in giving a “fair and balanced” view of politically incorrect issues like race. They are pretty much a dumbed down version of the Wall Street Journal. It’s not as if they are being honest about racial issues in defiance to CNN. Hannity and his blowhard friends aren’t going cover any studies showing that blank slate is a lie. No they’ll do a “salute our veterans” hour and then talk about how the wealthy need a tax cut.

    Thank God we have this money whoring alternative called Fox news. The MSM must be really worried about it undermining their egalitarian fiction. Fox might do a story on how the minimum wage causes AIDS. Really threatening stuff that could shake the whole order. Maybe a follow up on how a tax break for the wealthy will fix the health care system.

  233. @Poupon

    Well you need to take a closer look at Europe if you think Christianity is the problem.

    Sweden is one of the most secular countries and they have “hate speech” laws that including publishing *undisputed* data on race and crime, even in a small forum like this one. So you can go to prison there for pointing out facts. US liberals can only dream of such laws.

    Meanwhile Poland is heavily Christian and hated by the European left for being too nationalistic and not wanting to import the third world.

    As for Buddhism it isn’t going to solve any of these problems. In fact according to Buddhism you aren’t morally better or worse than the leftist that wants open borders to the third world. So I wouldn’t be allowed to join since I would say you are morally better. Buddhists actually can’t condemn anyone morally. You can’t say that even the most traitorous leftist is morally inferior to you.

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  234. @peterAUS

    Sorry for the late reply. IMHO salarymen working through a 9 to 5 job are all modern day peasants unless they are the shyster types on Wall Street, which also includes “investment bankers” and the likes.

    I agree there’s a big difference between a bartender and an accountant working at an accounting firm, but at the end of the day, both are present day peasant class folks. If guys like them socialize enough and discuss these things more often then not, we could have a chance

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  235. Bert says:

    For anyone who believes that experimental psychology can contribute to Caucasian ethnic defense, here is a link to a review article, entitled “Future Directions in Human Behavioral Endocrinology” published in May, 2019.

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/52c8/65bd94e6a048734c9dfe8235ed5fcce96f45.pdf?_ga=2.150581630.917031754.1569835715-1869367440.1569835715

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  236. @Poupon Marx

    Some of what you write is correct and the other part is complete nonsense. Despite all the ills of globalisation infecting Greeks, they still remain highly ethnocentric, family-orientated, clannish and tradition-bound – many attributes that other European people should adopt of they hope to survive the next 100 years as a distinct ethnic group. Also, many of the Greek islands are some of the wealthiest in the country. Lastly, Cretans are often the advance and rearguard of Hellenism. They would sooner die than give up on Greece.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  237. @John Johnson

    Your statement on Buddhism is understandable because you know nothing about it. That is obvious. In Singapore, the death penalty is frequently used, as in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam. These are either predominantly Buddhist or a heavy plurality.

    The Christianity practiced in Poland and Hungary is the ancient one, that is closer to Easter Orthodoxy and influenced by it. The Pope is a joke to these people. I would not be surprised if they nationalized their Catholic Churches, as the Eastern Orthodox have.

    Correlating cultural dysfunction with religious abstinence and atheism is positive. However, many “devout” Catholicks and Prototestdunces fully embrace open borders and the “Little Jesuses”, or tragicomically, utter, “This is what Jesus would want us to do”.

    No Buddhist country has such a mindset. One of the reasons being that Buddhism is not about collectivism and institutionalized outward forces.

    You really ought to bone up and be more knowledgable before going off half cocked. I am giving you the short version of the inadequacy of your position.

  238. @Agathoklis

    I do not think so. Greece is a country that allowed Goldman Sachs to fraudulently present the requirements to the EU for entrance. Since that time, they were easily bought off by borrowing from Germany. The money went into bloated wages, corruption, flashy public works, and salaries. It put money into consumers’ pockets to buy stuff and created the illusion of a prosperous economy.

    Greeks today are not Hellenic. I find them unexceptional. Many of the Greek congregation that visited Greece to see relatives, etc., came back disillusioned by the polarization, radicalization, and untargeted anger that they found. Many said they would not return.

    Despite the civil war against a Communist takeover, young people in Greece have been and are radicalized to the Left, especially where it counts, in Athens. They do not have a serious work ethic. Most of the brains of the population have left for other countries. Reason? Over 60% of college graduates in STEM fields cannot find employment in Greece. Greece makes nothing competitively for the World market. My commercial experience in Greece made me loath the country of my ancestors.

    The major cultural icons were almost all international communists. Melina Mercouri, Mikis Theodorakis, Jules Dasin, and many more. Communism has always been entrenched in Greece. I think it is because the geist of the people is “something for nothing” And article in Forbes, lays out my thesis:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2011/07/19/give-greece-what-it-deserves-communism/#2a4c6528d32c

    What you say about small numbers of Greeks, is true. But that does not contradict my point. As a whole, as a people, they are masochistic, arrogant, and even stupid. They make bad choices, are overly emotional, and frequently their opinions are not based on facts and data.

    About Crete. My friends in Crete hate Athens. They feel ripped off by sending money there and getting nothing in return. Crete is a very traditional island. Greece is just rudderless mess of putrid modernity and stale, selective reality. It is now completely externally controlled. It is a vassal state.

    My grandparents left around the First World War. They were hard working and very stout. The good genes of Greece-the courageous, most intelligent, and talented left over a period of decades. What is left is like Cuba, the Left Behinds.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  239. @Bert

    The domination of the social sciences by Jews since the 1930s has been catastrophic for the native peoples of the Occident. This article is almost gleeful at the prospect of greater control mechanisms for its “experimental” group-people. Just as if they were lab rats. They are sociopaths.

    Speaking of which, here are two lovely specimens of Luciferianism, Cass Sunstein and his wife, Samantha Power-who is Irish. Sunstein, the proto-Jewish communist NWO sociopath, wrote a book called “Nudge”. Yes, as the title implies, it legitimizes subtle and sub conscious ways to get the population to move and think “in the correct way.” That’s right, folks. I’m sure he has a blank check from ZOG NWO subversives Bloomberg and Soros. No doubt, he is highly admired by ZuckerSchmucker and the Google Boys, among the other Tech and Hedge Fund (((titans))).

    https://www.glennbeck.com/2014/05/23/cass-sunstein-once-again-proves-to-be-the-most-dangerous-man-in-america/

    When you read an article describing the excremental content, I am sure that your indignation, repulsion and rage will skyrocket.

    • Replies: @Bert
  240. @Anon

    You obviously know nothing about Puritans.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  241. Bert says:
    @Poupon Marx

    “This article is almost gleeful at the prospect of greater control mechanisms for its “experimental” group-people.”

    Are you referring to the article for which I posted the link?

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  242. @Poupon Marx
    Your statement on Buddhism is understandable because you know nothing about it. That is obvious. In Singapore, the death penalty is frequently used, as in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam. These are either predominantly Buddhist or a heavy plurality.

    Buddhist populations with secular governments.

    Are you going to deny that Buddhist monks won’t make value judgments on two individuals based on their moral deeds in society? They won’t morally rate a farmer over a child molester. You’re supposed to focus on yourself. What to do about destructive Marxists? Oh just go meditate because their destruction is actually their own imbalance. How does this improve your country? Oh just go meditate.

    Sounds like a perfect religion to further pacify the Anglo sphere. No such thing as right and wrong, just look the other way and meditate. I’m sure the left could only dream about it replacing Christianity.

    The Christianity practiced in Poland and Hungary is the ancient one, that is closer to Easter Orthodoxy and influenced by it. The Pope is a joke to these people. I would not be surprised if they nationalized their Catholic Churches, as the Eastern Orthodox have.

    So why are you suggesting Buddhism as a replacement for Western Christianity and not Eastern Orthodox? We have a working model in Poland and Hungary and here you are condemning the entire gamut, while suggesting a passive Asian alternative that encourages focusing on yourself and not the Marxist traitor actively working against you and your family.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @PorkTastic
  243. Bert says:

    In psychological terms, Anon pretty much nailed it. If the Northern States had not been dominated by Puritans and their descendants, the Civil War could have been averted. Puritans were the Jews of the Northern Europeans and their legacy persists in the likes of Elizabeth Warren.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  244. @Bert

    Both, really. And any and all articles that have similar themes and content. Your comment was very useful for the general reader, most of whom have no idea regarding the degree of unperceived manipulation of every aspect of their lives.

    • Replies: @Bert
  245. @Shawn Dennis

    Well, I think his statement is oversimplified and too broad and general to be of much use. I’m always skeptical of absolute declarations, e.g., “all of”-whether explicit or implicit.

    Are the Amish and Mennonites “puritans”? or Puritanical”? What about traditional Hindus and Asians? Have you seen any Indian or Chinese movies? There is nothing approaching nudity or profanity, and very little innuendo of sexual content.

    The Southern Baptists I grew up with were a mess of theology. Confused and fearful. Calvinistic. Doctrinaire Catholicks, as well. Both function as an anti-thinking aura.

  246. peterAUS says:
    @PorkTastic

    If guys like them socialize enough and discuss these things more often then not, we could have a chance.

    Agree.

    One could think that the Internet would be a good “socializing place”. Not so far.

  247. @Poupon Marx
    The domination of the social sciences by Jews since the 1930s has been catastrophic for the native peoples of the Occident.

    Do you really believe that non-Jewish social science professors today would be completely objective and allow for genetic explanations if not for Boas, Marx and the Frankfurt School?

    I really doubt those professors are that naive and that it’s simply by chance or indoctrination that they ignore so many studies involving genetics.

    Those same (mostly boomer) professors would just latch onto some other dishonest school of thought.

    Have you been around leftist professors? Most of them are bitter Whites that will take ANY explanation that just so happens to blame White people and especially White men. The social sciences are completely dominated by women and passive men. I’m sure if you did some digging you’d find a lot of them aren’t married and generally resentful towards Christianity and White society like a lot of feminists. The social sciences have long been a home to the bitter and resentful. That is a much bigger problem than the Frankfurt school. If you went back in time and took out the Frankfurt school some non-Jewish leftist would just write some new books. It’s the motivation that matters.

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  248. Weaver1 says:
    @Rich

    Buddhism is the hipster alternative to Christianity, in the West. But it’s difficult to understand another religion. I at least am wary of how Buddhism was associated with merchants early on. That doesn’t suggest a healthy religion.

    I like how the Dalai Lama called for Europe to remain European.

    One hipster blogger seemed to take drugs in an attempt at stopping his mental activities, in pursuit of meditation. I never learned to meditate. I just read difficult books in near-silence to clear my mind; it works for me.

    I like the Tibetan Buddhist sect with magical powers.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  249. Art says:

    Roger Devlin is a contributing editor to The Occidental Quarterly and the author of Sexual Utopia in Power: The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization.

    Reading the Amazon customer comments on that book is very interesting and instructive.

  250. Weaver1 says:
    @John Johnson

    John Johnson,

    The West grew fat on its wealth. As such, whites just go with the flow, not really caring.

    It’s not only the social sciences that are pertinent. The mass media and mass culture also matter. Everything was, and largely is, anti-West. The mass culture went anti, so the churches went anti, and the social sciences as well. The mass culture wasn’t a movement of the masses though; they followed, didn’t lead.

    I know a lot of easy-going young “alphas” who believe all the pop culture values. They have no motive to oppose it, to even question it. Life’s easy; why struggle? While single, they play. However, I question the “alpha” status in a society where women don’t care whom they sleep with, only that a guy has a bit of money and time, in other words a job.

    I spoke with a successful young dentist the other day. He asked me what sort of music I use to put girls in a mood. I dislike corrupting music, told him as much, and he looked at me in confusion. The guy’s not an idiot; he just has no motive to struggle. He doesn’t hate his life. Being anti-white is the culture; he just plays along.

    There are countless examples that come to mind of successful, happy people who repeat the common positions, because life is good for them. The living’s easy.

    Richard Spencer, on his twitter account, seems to like Depeche Mode. He’s supposed to be some radical thinker, yet I’m pretty sure that’s an anti-white band. Maybe it’s not. He has only one child though.

    In my experience, I’m so radical that to get along I just don’t talk on a number of topics. A friend tries to get along with me by talking politics but has no idea how a right-wing person thinks. She just assumes I like standard GOP positions, was shocked that I like Tulsi and not Kamela among the Dems.

    But if I get active in the mass culture, maybe I inspire her and others to become more right-wing. And those values would then be reflected in their professions.

    If you’re saying the US system has become anti-West of its own nature, then maybe that’s correct. The argument there would be a sort of potential energy turning kinetic. Actually, I don’t know that I like that wording, but I’m out of time with this edit.

    Solzhenitsyn:

    “Even biology knows that habitual, extreme safety and well-being are not advantageous for a living organism. Today, well-being in the life of Western society has begun to reveal its pernicious mask.”

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  251. @Weaver1

    This is idiotic, idiopathic, and a slander from vacuum cranium with no cerebral cortex. How can you not be embarrassed by such dross and fatuous nonsense. Well, if you are a Hasbara troll, aimed as destroying everything not Judaic (tikkum alum), then it is understandable.

    Save face and tell us this is deliberate agitprop and low grade disinformation. That way, we can assume that you really are not THAT stupid and feeble-minded, not to mention a blight. You are so far on the left of the Bell Curve of Intelligence [and knowledge], that your point is asymptotic on the -x axis. Wherefrom do such people of dimmitude come to post on here?

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  252. @John Johnson

    At least do some reading and get out of your smug and conceited Western bubble. You know next to nothing outside of kielbasa and paprika, evidently. You read like a child, giving churlish summaries of pacifism to a set of teachings. My God, the temerity to post on THIS site with such palaver and jingoistic yammering.

    I feel like a grade school tutor.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/05/17/what-the-west-can-learn-from-the-buddha-and-gandhi/

  253. It is universally accepted that Western Civilization is based on and largely defined by the Greeks and their traditions; intellectually, philosophically, cosmologically, etc, etc.

    But how many know the degree that Buddhism influenced the Greeks’ thought?

    Greco-Buddhism: The Unknown Influence of the Greeks

    https://www.historydisclosure.com/greco-buddhism-unknown-influence-greeks/

    >>

    At the time of Alexander the Great, Greeks conquered a large part of Asia. From Asia Minor to modern day Afghanistan, Pakistan and the north east of India. Greek influence continued after Alexander´s death as a number of Greek kingdoms were founded in Asia.

    During this time of Greek influence in the region, a mix between Greek and Buddhist faith was adopted by Greeks and locals. Alexander the Great and his descendants never tried to impose Greek faith or culture. Only in cases that they would consider local customs inhumane or uncivilised would they intervene. Buddhism also naturally coexisted and never attempted to dominate over local culture (e.g. it coexisted in Japan with Shintoism and in China with Confucianism). Buddhism would highlight local practices that brought suffering and encourage those that benefited.

    In this environment of acceptance and mutual respect Greco-Buddhism flourished. The teachings of Buddhism remained the same because they refer to the human condition which is of interest to all irrespective of cultural background. Such teachings can be adopted to ones cultural background and understanding. The Greeks probably saw Buddhism as noble, familiar to their on philosophy of life and beneficial and embraced it.

    When Alexander the Great arrived in central Asia Buddhist monks were already active in the region. At that time, Greeks were referred to as the Yonas (originating from the Greek word for Ionians, one of the four major Greek tribes; others being the Aeolians, Achaians and Dorians). Buddhism was well received and spread quite rapidly among the Greeks of Alexandria of the Caucasus and Taxila to the point that in Asoka’s time these cities were considered as main Buddhist centers. Greco-Buddhism did not take over 100% as there was still a strong following of the traditional Hellenic religion.

    Freeing up and opening one clogged and constipated mind at a time. A largely thankless task, but a duty.

  254. peterAUS says:
    @Weaver1

    …The West grew fat on its wealth. As such, whites just go with the flow, not really caring.
    …no motive to oppose it, to even question it. Life’s easy; why struggle?
    …no motive to struggle. He doesn’t hate his life. Being anti-white is the culture; he just plays along.
    …successful, happy people who repeat the common positions, because life is good for them. The living’s easy…
    “Even biology knows that habitual, extreme safety and well-being are not advantageous for a living organism. Today, well-being in the life of Western society has begun to reveal its pernicious mask.”

    Yep.

    And that’s The Catch.
    No motive when a fight would be easy. The motive will be there when the fight will be, most likely, extremely hard.

    Human nature, I guess.

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  255. @Poupon Marx

    Congratulations. Americanisation has done a great job on you. It has made you hate your ethnicity without even understanding it. That is exactly what the Melting Pot does to people. And you are seriously relying on Forbes to understand your ethnicity? What a joke. Do you actually know how to speak and read Greek fluently?

    By the way, Jules Dassin is not Greek. Giorgios Seferis, Odysseus Elytis, Manos Hadzidakis, Stavros Xarhakos, Nikos Gatsos all major cultural icons including two Nobel prizewinners were Right-wing.

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  256. @John Johnson

    Is it any wonder the drug addled hippies from the swinging sixties were so much into eastern philosophy and Buddhism and Hinduism with all their jazzy talk of nirvana while smoking pot??

    (((Hollywood))) and the (((media))) were fully onboard. Some rock stars even went to India to achieve nirvana but ended up getting robbed while the female ones got raped by conmen pretending to “free” their soul

    I was an India obsessed man until I entered tech around ’05 and started working with them. Of late got completely surrounded by them as they slowly but surely kicked out as many whites as they could and replaced them with their own, preferably from their caste and region. A lot of them were some of the most cunning ethnocentric materialists I encountered. Many of them even considered doing anything physical was below their station.

    I live in a burb with around half of the folks here east Indian. My boy’s school is, thus filled to the brim with them. Though I like the way they focus on success, but the pressure to succeed ( become wealthy) is instilled in them from a tender age. I don’t see this as inspiring transcendent spirituality in anyone. It’s all about material success and family for most of them. Not quite unlike the Ashkenazi.

  257. Congratulations. Americanisation has done a great job on you. It has made you hate your ethnicity without even understanding it.

    Really, now? To analyze Greece in an objective way, you have to live there and be part of the milieu? You sound like an artist or a person who relies on the subjective, impression, and emotions to make determinations. My father was an intelligence officer in the US Army who was posted to Greece to assist in the resistance to the Communist takeover. My first 5 years were spent in Greece and it was the first language I learned.

    I am a mechanical engineer, and facts, data, and objective observations have to be consonant with my opinion. I spent time in Greece, on business, a few times. I came to know some prominent, and well traveled Greeks, who gave me great insight to the nature of the people. And I observed, as I worked, traveled, and moved around. I saw a hopeless country.

    I am very good at appraisal and appraisal. This was developed over many years in my profession of analyzing conditions of mechanical systems, leading to remedial action, or improvement. This same methodology applies to everything.

    I started out as a social scientist, and abandoned that for engineering. For the next 30 years I spent half of that traveling. To understand and analyze something, you must compare it to something else, a relationship is then established. And that is why I am saying that Greece-in the context relative to others-is a wreck and is destined to be dissembled and demolished. It has not sufficient antibodies to resist. The Greek people are too fractured to mount a defense, and too self delusional to understand the bigger picture.

    “It’s just after midnight and we still don’t know if Nixon will be President”,he writes in a letter to Dimitris Vernicos in November 1968 from New York.Today’s elections make me feel that “I’m watching a play, a performance, where the understudies are taking the place of the leading actors.” Next day he writes: “Nixon is President … and America has acquired its true face: Reactionary, chauvinistic, neat.”

    As for you assertion of the list you provided as being “Right Wing”, here is a direct quote from Manos Hadjdakis, an artist, who as most, is naive about the World, and has childish conceptions.

    “It’s just after midnight and we still don’t know if Nixon will be President”,he writes in a letter to Dimitris Vernicos in November 1968 from New York.Today’s elections make me feel that “I’m watching a play, a performance, where the understudies are taking the place of the leading actors.” Next day he writes: “Nixon is President … and America has acquired its true face: Reactionary, chauvinistic, neat.”

    Jules Dasin was French and the husband of Melina Mercouri. The Greeks seemed to worship anything French in the 20th century, catching the all the diseases of trendy French Leftism fetches.

    But look. We do not have to be acrimonious. Greeks love to argue and talk politics. All I ask is that honesty and self-reflection prevail. I’m rarely wrong these days, but I concede readily when I am. In my engineering program, it works or not, it’s true or false. There is no “I wish……..”. No sentimentality.

    Have a glass of retsina.

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  258. Corvinus says:
    @Bert

    “If the Northern States had not been dominated by Puritans and their descendants, the Civil War could have been averted.”

    Right, because slavery and sectionalism played such minor roles. Geez, get a clue.

    “Puritans were the Jews of the Northern Europeans and their legacy persists in the likes of Elizabeth Warren.”

    No, they were Christians who were the bastion of Western Civilization.

  259. Corvinus says:
    @Bert

    “Caucasians will not react and preserve their civilization unless they soon accept the fact that Ashkenazi animus against them is real…”

    It’s not a fact, and white normies are preserving their civilization in the manner they personally see fit. It’s just that their preference is not your preference.

    “I believe that a set of experiments that compare testosterone, oxytocin and cortisol levels associated with inter-individual competitive staged contests would show that Caucasians and Ashkenazi are at opposite ends of the spectra of “nice” versus “cutthroat,” low negative ethnocentricity versus high negative ethnocentricity, empathetic versus triumphalist, measured versus radical.”

    Do you have any scientific literature that would offer even a modicum of proof to your premise? Or are you blowing hot air yet again?

    “Believe me, such evidence is a great motivator for achieving a victorious outcome.”

    You mean they accidentally overbilled you by $10, and when you complained, they noticed the error and apologized for the inconvenience.

    “I even suggested that I might fund such experiments.”

    OK, so conduct research and get back to us.

  260. @Poupon Marx

    At least do some reading and get out of your smug and conceited Western bubble.

    I asked you a simple question about Buddhism and moral value which you still have yet to answer.

    You read like a child, giving churlish summaries of pacifism to a set of teachings

    LOL you seem more agitated than anyone here. I hope you don’t plan on being a salesman for this mass Buddhist conversion.

    Reminds me of liberals that scream in your face when their self-perceived superiority is on the defensive. They feel so strongly in their superiority that they get emotionally agitated and feel a need to call you names. Lot of confidence there.

  261. Saggy says: • Website

    The problem with MacDonald is that he cedes the Jews’ greatest weapon to them by his support of the holocaust hoax. The holocaust hoax is destroying the western world, and the Jews’ greatest critics, like MacDonald, support it. I’ve never heard him say a word about it, he will not address it here, all while the western culture is dissolving before our very eyes. If you google macdonald holocaust you’ll find out what a craven cur Macdonald is … https://carolynyeager.net/kevin-macdonald-record-saying-whether-holocaust-actually-happened-%E2%80%9Cnot-important%E2%80%9D

    Yeah, um, I guess I’m not, uh, I’ve never had any sympathy really, before – I, I haven’t seen, I haven’t seen anything that I would really, you know, convince me. And I have – frankly, I haven’t dealt into it very much. My view is that it’s not important for what I’m doing and I don’t think it’s really important – I, I think what’s really important is the culture of the holocaust, you know how it’s taught in school, how it’s used to defend Israel, and it’s used as a weapon against people who oppose immigration, and all those things – ah I think those are very important things to discuss. So whether it actually happened, exactly (… slurs some words] and all that is something that I don’t think uh is possible to even go there anymore, is just … just uh … third rail.

    The greatest lie even told and MacDonald supports it. An embarrassment is the kindest thing one can say.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Bert
  262. Is it any wonder the drug addled hippies from the swinging sixties were so much into eastern philosophy and Buddhism and Hinduism with all their jazzy talk of nirvana while smoking pot??

    No and they would have had zero interest in those religions if they were already embraced by middle America. Just as Chinese medicine wouldn’t have had a resurgence in liberal circles if it had been popular with rural Whites. The not mainstream White part is a key aspect of the appeal.

    live in a burb with around half of the folks here east Indian. My boy’s school is, thus filled to the brim with them. Though I like the way they focus on success, but the pressure to succeed ( become wealthy) is instilled in them from a tender age.

    Their arrogance is outrageous. They see themselves as superior to Americans and yet somehow convince themselves that India would be as nice if not for some temporary technical difficulty that they can’t explain. Why don’t they go back and fix India?

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  263. @Weaver1

    The West grew fat on its wealth. As such, whites just go with the flow, not really caring.
    It’s not only the social sciences that are pertinent. The mass media and mass culture also matter.

    Sure wealth can bring complacency. No argument here.

    But the social sciences and the media are filled with people that really do care about a globalist agenda and are pushing hard to make the flow.

    So called conservatives seem totally oblivious to this and while they do correctly perceive bias in the media they don’t realize the social sciences connection.

    Of course Hollywood tells all kinds of fantasies but policy makers and naive journalists really do base a lot of their opinions on what comes from the colleges, not tv shows or music.

    If we had real debate in the social sciences it would be a nightmare for the left.

    But anyways I was responding to someone else’s point about Jewish influence in the founding of the social sciences which while openly verifiable I don’t think is an endorsement of a Jewish conspiracy. I don’t think it matters that much since I’m not convinced the typical social science professor is serious in the first place. Meaning if you removed that influence I don’t think it would change much. They would go to the next in line leftist writer that tells them what they want to hear. They wouldn’t say oh wow I had no idea I was so biased and then think critically about leftism.

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  264. Weaver1 says:
    @peterAUS

    peterAUS,

    I appreciate the summary. I used to claim, on an old online forum, that the purpose was to keep a light going, for when the real leaders, real aristocracy woke up. I believe it’s possible to have an impact now, but I don’t have the time. I’m motivated, just not free to be of use. Too many seem to miss income and families due to activism.

    My motivation was the decay of the South; I wanted to save what I love, was shocked at the transformation. I found Pat Buchanan and other paleos and nationalists, learned from them.

    The ideas I like, the impact I would have had, seem already popular now anyway. I do look forward to reading the new MacDonald book though. I don’t understand the “incel” phenomenon, but I do know that Sam Francis and Richard Weaver, not to mention Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter, have been invaluable. None have/had children.

    I liked the idea originally of a right-wing movement that positioned itself as physically fit, charming, healthy, etc. But that’s just marketing. Within the movement, people like Francis should be recognized for their virtue. And I know he did lose weight, just waited too long to do it. And it is admirable to be in shape and to be otherwise capable, but someone like Francis had other merits.

  265. @Poupon Marx

    You did not answer the question of whether you can read or speak Greek. By implication it sounds like you do not. Therefore, if you have lost your ability to speak your ancestral tongue, then you are no longer of that ancestry but simply an American with superficial, vague and comical understanding of an ancestry.

    Greeks may have lost much of their ability to defend themselves from globalisation but they still adhere to a distinct culture, language and inhabit the same geographic area for the last 4000 years. In comparison, you are simply an American.

    So, who is the wreck? Who has already been dissembled and demolished? Who lacks the antibodies for resistance? It is you.

  266. Seraphim says:
    @Agathoklis

    Jules Dassin is (was) neither Greek, nor French. “Dassin was born in Middletown, Connecticut, one of eight children of Berthe Vogel and Samuel Dassin, a barber. His parents were both Jewish immigrants from Odessa, in modern-day Ukraine… During his youth he attended Camp Kinderland, the left-wing Yiddish youth camp. He joined the Communist Party USA in the 1930s and left it after the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in 1939. He started as a Yiddish actor with the ARTEF (Yiddish Proletarian Theater) company in New York….His prolific later career in Europe and the affiliation with Greece through his second wife, combined with a common pronunciation of his surname as “Da-SAN” in Europe, as opposed to “DASS-in” in the United States leads to a common misconception that he was a European director… Dassin was considered a major Philhellene to the point of Greek officials describing him as a “first generation Greek.” Along with his second wife Melina Mercouri, he opposed the Greek military junta…”

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  267. @obwandiyag

    And you, sir, are a 35, a 206, and a WD-40.

    Counterinsurgency

  268. @Svevlad

    True. The hypotheses that make the claims, such as the one you’re addressing, are being treated as historical fact by some people.

  269. Bert says:
    @Poupon Marx

    You couldn’t have actually examined the article that I linked to because if you had you would have seen quickly that it only deals with basic research and does not discuss manipulation of the populace at all. I posted the link to exemplify the kinds of research that would reveal ethnic differences in psychology using evidence from physiology.

    From the article:
    “Social and affective behaviors can be prosocial (e.g., nurturance) or antisocial (e.g., aggression). The endocrine system is important in regulating social-affiliative processes that contribute to the initiation and maintenance of human social bonds (for a review of the endocrinology of social relationships, see Anderl, Saphire-Bernstein, & Chen, this volume). ”

    ” In addition to its (p. 437) functions in parturition and lactation, researchers have argued that oxytocin evolved to facilitate parental (especially maternal) behavior, but that it has been co-opted and modified to function in other relationship contexts (e.g., friendships, kin, in-group members; e.g., Carter, 2014; Donaldson & Young, 2008). ”

    The articles on Unz Review are usually of high quality and advance a narrative counter to that of pravda-media. Unfortunately the comments are so unserious that they actually diminish the impact of the published material. Paul Craig Roberts has the correct approach: disallow comments.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  270. @HallParvey

    Not true. The Scots-Irish hill country militia was indeed self-organized and arrived at King’s Mountain of their own accord. Your reference to the “English aristocratic plantation owners ” is a reference to the ones who organized the Colonial Army and fought set-piece battles with redcoats, losing consistently before the irregulars took up the fight.

    The “rabble” stirred by the press were northern city dwellers in the areas of distribution of those pamphlets and newspapers. Scots-Irish irregulars pretty well stirred themselves to action, and most couldn’t have cared less what happened to the aristocratic planters.

  271. @Bert

    All true, and Mecklenburg County was known by British generals as “The hornet’s nest”, a term that persists to this day in county symbols. Charlotte city police cars used to have an image of a hornet’s nest on their door decals. I don’t know if that is still the case, though.

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  272. Bert says:
    @Saggy

    Kevin MacDonald showed great courage and dedication with his synthetic-analysis of Judaism as a group-level adaptation, i.e., his trilogy. In the academic environment where he made his living, the work he did was suicidal. I am surprised that he was not fired.

    That said, I have contacted him a couple of times regarding the idea I have been pushing on this thread, that the interplay between hormones and psychology could be used to test inter-ethnic differences in negative ethnocentrism, and I have been disappointed. He has replied either by referring to some not-relevant section of one of his books, or with some non-commital phrase. On this thread when I laid out my suggestion most clearly, he did not reply.

    For whatever reason, MacD0nald does not want to address the possibility that Ashkenazi might have actually been naturally-selected for negative ethnocentrism during their centuries in Eastern Europe. The Ashkenazi who were expelled from the Rhineland and who moved east numbered in the low thousands at most. During the time between the expulsion and WWII, the Ashkenazi population grew at a rate hundreds of times faster than that of the native Polish, Ukrainian and Russian populations. Such a high rate of growth in the pre-modern era required exceptional survival of offspring, which could only have been possible by economic success based on exploitation of the native populations.

    A mindset free of inter-ethnic empathy is best for successful exploitation of the non-coethnic population. Imagine a Jew in rural Poland in 1400 running a tavern. Which behavior will facilitate his having more surviving children: accepting an alcoholic peasant’s last coin and rolling him out into the mud at closing time, or convincing the peasant to go home early and save some money for feeding the peasant’s family? Obviously the former, and any physiological/psychological mechanisms that promote that behavior (which we might call negative ethnocentrism, or ethnicity-dependent empathy) would be favored by natural selection. Post-agricultural revolution but prior to the modern era, reproduction was correlated with economic assets, crops or money.

    So my thesis is that Ashkenazi Jews were in a political environment that caused them to evolve a high level of negative ethnocentricity. The Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews were probably less subject to such natural selection because they had less direct control over members of the native lower class.

    Why MacDonald is not interested in this idea is a mystery to me. But I agree that he is not open to the most incendiary charges against the Ashkenazi, that they exaggerated the Holocaust and that many of them despise Caucasians.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  273. Bert says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I lived on the west side of Charlotte briefly in the mid-1970’s. I asked a police officer there what would happen if I shot an intruder in my home. “You’d prolly get a metal” was his reply. Hornet’s nest indeed. Thanks for the informed discourse, Twodees.

  274. @Bert

    Shooting an intruder and shooting someone on the street are two different situations.

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  275. Ahoy says:

    @ Seraphim #272

    There have never been Greek authorities after the revolution of 1821, except for the murdered first Governor Kapodistrias. After him all governments were bestowed on the Greeks by the masters of their colony the City and after WW2 by Washington.

    Melina Mercury was a hoe who lived it up with the Nazis during occupation, 1941-45. The couple work their ass off to undo and throw under the bus Greek culture and civilization. They had their orders from Kissinger to undo Greek Language, Culture and Religion.

    This kind of medicine was given to America after Kennedy’s death and we live the results today.

    Relax, the show is not over yet.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  276. Saggy says: • Website
    @Wally

    Wally, here is my idea – it would be interesting to know which ones of the Unz regular contributors are holohoax deniers, and which support the hoax. I recently called out Philip Giraldi and for the first and only time that I”m aware of my comment was deleted, it would be interesting to know by whom. Now, we’ve both called out MacDonald, and the result is silence. I suggest we keep a running list of deniers/supporters. Denying the holohoax must be explicit, lame outs like Giraldi’s “I support academic freedom” and MacDonald’s “it’s a third rail” constitute implicit support because there is no explicit denial. The initial list –
    Unz – denies
    Giraldi – supports
    MacDonald – supports

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  277. Saggy says: • Website
    @Bert

    I am surprised that he was not fired.

    He had tenure. There is no excuse for academics. It is their job to tell us the truth about their chosen subject. One of the most extraordinary things about the holohoax is that academia supports it to the last man/woman save Arthur Butz, who exposed the hoax in 1976 !

  278. @Bert

    Bert, no need to pout. Calm down, son. Let’s take things one at a time.

    You couldn’t have actually examined the article that I linked to because if you had you would have seen quickly that it only deals with basic research and does not discuss manipulation of the populace at all. I posted the link to exemplify the kinds of research that would reveal ethnic differences in psychology using evidence from physiology.

    From your article: “Correspondingly, investigating interactions between multiple hormones (e.g., Heinrichs, Baumgartner, Kirschbaum, & Ehlert, 2003; Mehta & Josephs, 2010; Tackett et al., 2015) is imperative. These interactions should be both measured endogenously and manipulated exogenously in multiple samples.” This contradicts your statement.

    Also: “Certainly, there are multiple directions scholars can pursue moving forward, which may eventually generate comprehensive models of how hormones influence development, survival, reproduction, and social behaviors across the lifespan.” Bert, if you believe revelations that come out of this research might have a direct effect on human behavior patterns, and stay in the laboratory, then you are very naive. That’s not the way the World works, Bert. I don’t know how old you are, but I surmise you are still in the post pubescent stage. Hormones, the magic sauce, of population control {as you infer}, could be administered secretively and surreptitiously to “nudge” and move the population and create not only mood, but cognitive selection. For you to suggest that this innocently is about passively determining hormone level as pure research is pollyannish. Grow up.

    Now, I cannot understand your inability-evidently-to connect what I was saying thematically about Nudge by Cass the Ass Sunstein and this paper. Your opinion of disallowing comments indicates a rather curious and feverous jump and suspension of logic. Obviously such suspension would affect you as well. I consider this an ejaculation.

    Already hormones in the environment are making males less fertile, and less “male”. This is accepted from a huge use of data and research. Your cited paper that seeks to administer and measure in precise form the Stimulus-Response paradigm WILL lead to population attempted control.

    Your criticism and suggestions to Professor McDonald are curious. You state that you “cannot understand” why he doesn’t or hasn’t done what you prefer. I have an answer for you. Most likely, Dr KM exposited and researched what he knew and developed advanced academic skills.

    “The articles on Unz Review are usually of high quality and advance a narrative counter to that of pravda-media. Unfortunately the comments are so unserious that they actually diminish the impact of the published material. Paul Craig Roberts has the correct approach: disallow comments.”

    Again, please don’t pout with such self-serving tripe. You are too callow and naive to cover that statement.

    • Replies: @Bert
  279. @Ahoy

    I never liked her and could not understand what the hullabaloo was for this mediocrity of limited range and accomplishment. As I stated, from the early 20th Century, Greek intellectuals aped all the caca, intellectual sewage effluent from Paris and France. Athens is mostly hated by rural Greeks and Islanders. They are considered almost as a foreign element.

    Thank you for this illuminating gem. Greeks, with few exceptions, do not engage in self criticism as much as they should. Modern Greeks are not introspective. They suppress their failures in nostalgia and history [the long Turkish occupation and rule made us this way]. Same as Blacks and slavery.
    Even towards themselves, they are very class conscious. Up scale Greeks see themselves as apart from the working classes, almost as the caste system. That’s because they are “Europeanized” and not the provincial hicks that castigate the outlier Greeks.

    Like Malla’s honesty about his people, Indians/Hindus, I objective look at my ethnic group the same as I would Armenians or anybody else. The only test is, “Is it true or not”?

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  280. @Saggy

    You either are the most mentally incapable to post on here or a hasbara ZOG troll. Such manifest nonsense and filth are agitprop from a source in a building in Tel Aviv, very likely where disinformation is spewed forth. The toilet overfloweth.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  281. Saggy says: • Website
    @Poupon Marx

    You either are the most mentally incapable to post on here

    I assume English is not your native language. Given that, why would you think that pointing out that absolutely every academic in the US (save Butz), every member of the press (save Unz) and every member of the govt. (save no one) supports the holohoax, resembles hasbara? Do you understand that sentence? How do you interpret as hasbara?

    Further note, I just called out Giraldi again on his current self-censorship’ article, and again the post was censored, I assume by Giraldi. Oh, the irony.

  282. You do not make any sense at all.

    Given that, why would you think that pointing out that absolutely every academic in the US (save Butz), every member of the press (save Unz) and every member of the govt. (save no one) supports the holohoax, resembles hasbara? Do you understand that sentence?

    You write very poorly. “Supporting” the holohoax could mean supporting the denial of the holocaust or the holocaust. This is ambivalent. And what is this , “…calling out Kevin McDonald? You seem unbalanced and overwrought over a piffle. Using absolutes such as “every academic and government…” is obviously not accurate.

    I will say no more nor respond to your comments.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  283. Bert says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Thanks for that information. I didn’t realize there was a difference.

    Talk about uniformed discourse! You could work as straight man to Poupon Marx.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  284. Saggy says: • Website
    @Poupon Marx

    Using absolutes such as “every academic and government…” is obviously not accurate.

    It is 100%, not 99%, accurate. To show that it is not, name one academic save Butz, US journalist save Unz, or US govt. official save no one who calls the holocaust a hoax.

    Note, the holocaust and the holohoax are the same thing, except that one acknowledges that it is a hoax, and the other doesn’t. They both refer to the same narrative.

  285. Bert says:
    @Poupon Marx

    The paper I linked to called for administration of hormones for experimental purposes. That is a kind of experimental protocol that involves manipulation of the natural hormonal titre of a small group of subjects who have consented to receiving a hormone injection. Experimental protocols are used by scientists to understand natural phenomena. Such experimentation within a circumscribed experimental population has absolutely nothing to do with the kind of manipulation which the media attempts on the populace of two continents, or which the tinfoil hat brigade thinks is coming right up via implanted chips.

    Apparently my poor opinion of the comments making up this thread has got you butt hurt. Just so you know, when you resort to ad hominem insults and put-downs, everyone reading realizes that you can’t successfully deal with the issues at hand.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Poupon Marx
  286. peterAUS says:
    @Bert

    ….got you butt hurt….

    combined with

    …you resort to ad hominem insults…

    I have no idea what most of you smart guys are talking about here. Too educated and/or erudite for little me I suppose. Those I do read, that is. Some handles in this comments thread are on “ignore list” for a reason explained below.

    Your comments here show that you know a lot about certain topics. They also show something else, probably more important for this game.
    A matter of character I guess. Lack of it, or at least, some deficiencies there. Little, even subtle cracks.

    You appear rather interested in knowing who on “alt-whatever” is Holocaust TM denier or not. That’s fine.
    I am much more interested in who on “alt-whatever” has character “cracks” here and there. Just me.

    Make of that what you will.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  287. @Bert

    Apparently my poor opinion of the comments making up this thread has got you butt hurt.

    LOLLOL. I am IRRITATED by your presumptions and faux braggadocio of general and specific knowledge. I have eight years of higher education across two disciplines and for you to prattle as you have done does not rise to the level of amusement.

    Your childish insistence that a research paper is pure research and will not be used for nefarious purposes reveals the dupe you are, or complete dishonesty. Nothing today that is subject to, or accessible to greater common control by the elite will remain sequestered in the laboratory. You are obviously a wannabe “researcher”, currently at an undergraduate level that wants to join the isolated from reality elite of grant gobblers who cannot be bothered with ramifications or effects extant. Cases in point: “Gun Control” as a public health issue, as pushed by the Head of the Centers of Disease Control, the research of “Climate Science” by intellectual prostitutes who are only narrowly practicing science and invested in furthering scientific knowledge.

    Your little boiler plate of parameters of research did not impress me, Little Shaver. As for implant chips, the most cucked people on the planet, the Swedes are enthusiastically lining up for implanted chips for psychometric monitoring and auto payment. What an easy sell it is to present the “advantages” to the dumbed down Modern Man: greater productivity, intelligence, faster reaction, etc, etc. This is the New Bionic Man not of the physique but of the brain. There will be legions of humans bleating, “Me first”.

    You are naive, developmentally stunted adult child, who has take too much time away from me and my interaction with my genius felines. FWE-Finished With Engine

  288. @peterAUS

    OK with me, Peter. I always welcome sincere comments from honest and seasoned and tempered individuals. Honesty and sincerity are in very short supply in the present day waste land.

  289. @Seraphim

    This post should be directed at the Poupon Marx character. I had already stated that Dassin was not Greek.

  290. @Poupon Marx

    More hot air from someone who thinks they understand Greece from Forbes’s articles.

    However, it is true that Mercouri was vastly overrated as an actress, singer and cultural figure. The only reason she is so well known in Greece and outside is because she was a favourite of the Left despite having a distinctly Right wing upbringing and tastes. She really is a non-figure and too many words have been written about her in this thread.

  291. @Bert

    Thank you for the same. Regards.

  292. Weaver1 says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Poupon,

    all who disagree with you are Jewish/low IQ? Buddhism was a corruption of Hinduism, supported by merchants. TS Eliot noted it’s difficult to understand another religion, and I believe that’s true of Buddhism and the trendy Western herd.

    Believe what you like. You had criticized Christianity. Jews, btw, aren’t generally fond of Christianity. They seem to wish for Gentiles to “get their own religion.” So, attacking Buddhism really doesn’t suggest that I’m Jewish.

    The guy who attempted drugs to clear his mind posted at majorityrights. That’s my recollection of events anyway.

    The great threat to humanity is genetic engineering and the resulting potential loss of meaning and purpose. I believe Christianity can defend humanity as created, but the selfish Buddhists who seek to separate themselves from this world won’t likely put up much resistance. While Buddhists are pursuing nothingness and their own selfish enlightenment, Christians will act to preserve the real world and its wealth of nations (as opposed to some imperial blob).

    I suspect you’re also an advocate of Nietzsche; it would fit the stereotype. So, you and I likely have opposite value systems with almost no overlap.

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  293. peterAUS says:
    @Weaver1

    ….have opposite value systems with almost no overlap…

    Which, not only in this pub, could pose an interesting question: why communicating with such people?

    If bored, or in certain professions requiring those….ahm…debating… skills I guess it’s O.K. even useful.

    But, for average people, already busy or/and pursuing some goals requiring time/energy….why, really?

    For example, people who do respect MacDonald. Buying his book and reading it, properly….vs “debating” with people, anywhere, who fundamentally disagree with you?

    It’s like….instead of doing your weekly fitness/health routines, for alt-righter, spending that time debating “open borders” with a progtard.

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  294. Weaver1 says:
    @John Johnson

    John Johnson,

    My thinking is that people want to join a cause, want to be part of something larger than themselves. And many today, or yesterday, just join Marxism/globalism, whatever. They join, and their need is fulfilled.

    Richard Spencer recently tweeted a link, which can be found in a general google search, to a news article on the CIA having funded the modern art movement. So, it could be that the government, as part of the Cold War, ironically pushed the culture towards globalism.

    Jewish funding is also interesting.

    The other interesting theory is that the US system inevitably trends towards globalism. Capitalism tends to want cheap labour, so it’s akin to slave holders of the past seeking cheap labour. And capitalism wants to expand. I’m not suggesting we have some pure capitalist system, just referring to trends. Big business and big government employees and managers tend to be left-wing though. Managerials in the managerial state.

    I’ve never been a professor, but I get the impression most of them aren’t serious. They just talk, sleep with one another, generally play all day.

    The left-wing university professors I had as a student were always fair to me, and I was often made to be open about some of my ideas. They all wanted students to think for themselves, though the class material was of course biased. Marxist art was openly taught in the art class I took, years ago. And that seems standard for most intro art classes in the US.

    To be clear, I attacked my professors’ ideas. For example, in econ I attacked the free trade religion. And I’d attack the US-war-is-good ideology in other classes. In astronomy, I might have been foolish, but I attacked some of the theoretical ideas there. Professors were always fine with it, except for the astronomy professor who gave me a B+.

  295. Weaver1 says:
    @peterAUS

    Truth be told, I’m motivated by:

    1. The delusion that I might have an impact.
    2. Fun

    Anyway, it was a pleasure talking with you, reading your posts. And I will buy Dr. MacDonald’s new book. Unz is just a fun website to read and to reply to sometimes.

    My girlfriend right now has a 1.5 hr drive to work, then back again. Sometimes she drives more. So, that’s part of my explanation. And I’m procrastinating. I’m old enough that I should be married by now; she seemed pretty serious before she started working. Cheers.

    And for the record, I’ve attacked Dr. MacDonald’s positions at times in the past, but I have enormous respect for the man. For what that’s worth.

  296. @John Johnson

    Their arrogance is outrageous. They see themselves as superior to Americans and yet somehow convince themselves that India would be as nice if not for some temporary technical difficulty that they can’t explain. Why don’t they go back and fix India?

    Tell me about it. Got so sick of it that I left the industry altogether (as it has come to be completely dominated by them now). Can’t stand ’em. I’m afraid as more and more pour in, they’ll similarly decimate other industries as well. I’m afraid for my posterity. I don’t want them living in India 2.0.

    So when civic nationalists talk about free trade, I kind of throw up. Feel like messing them up. Then again I kind of wish the system breaks down completely while my bones still can pack a punch.

  297. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish Americans are surely thinking that White Christian Americans do not have the courage to oppose the Jewish lobby’s stranglehold on America.

    Are these Jews correct?

    Question: What is it going to take for White Christian Americans to stand up and act courageously and boldly?

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  298. Factorize says:

    Could anyone offer a witty neologism for accusing someone of having “white privilege” when the oppressiveness of “whiteness” has, in fact, not been established. This occurred within an online context in which racial background had never been disclosed, though the “white privilege” card was played merely on an inference of racial background. Might this not be yet another form of racism as it makes assumptions about the frames of mind of an online poster and with these assumptions attempts to categorize people into racial bins upon such assumptions?

  299. “Question: What is it going to take for White Christian Americans to stand up and act courageously and boldly?”

    I have banned banned on every “conservative/christian” board from here to Vladivostok for asking such questions. I wish you luck. Hint: at least pretend to suck really hard while they are engaged in their Trump love-making orgies.

    Seriously, I have been trying to get them to wake up in person, in church and sunday school, and online for over 25 years. They simply aren’t interested in acknowledging reality because that would mean they would have to take responsibility and that would cut into their free time. The vast majority only change when they are personally affected, and many not even then.

    Save yourself. Only a tiny handful of honorable men are interested in saving the West, I can guarantee you that. Cucks will call this “blackpilling” so they can avoid their responsibilities a little while longer, but it’s cold hard reality.

  300. Tim Folke says:
    @Anonymous

    The answer to your question “What is it going to take for White Christian Americans to stand up and act courageously and boldly?” is this:

    When White Christian Americans realize the present day ‘Jews’ are not of Semitic descent, are not of Israelite descent, do not have an ‘ancestral right’ to Palestine, but are Ashkenazim (a Turco-Slavic people) whose ancestors never set foot in Palestine. For those Christians who are interested, they are Japethites and are the ‘Gog & Magog’ spoken of in Ezekiel Chapters 38 & 39. They need to read it carefully.

    No people enjoy being lied to.

    A secondary answer, predicated on White Christian Americans grasping the above is this: Hitler would have had to import 1.5 million to have killed 6 million as by all estimates there were only 4.5 million available for ‘killing’ during the Reich’s widest sphere of influence. Since the end of WWII there have been 4.3 million ‘Jewish Survivors’ claiming reparations from the German Government.

    The math is not difficult. ‘Six Million’ is a Kabbalistic figure going back to 1891.

    Again, no people enjoy being lied to.

  301. @Anon

    “Things have to go bad very bad at many places locally for white folks to take note and come together.”

    Things have been getting very bad locally for white folks in many places for many years. That’s probably the real reason for Trump’s election. Of course it’s racist to say so, therefore most Trump supporters don’t — in fact I get the impression that most white Trump supporters don’t even publicly admit to being Trump supporters, let alone admitting the “racially charged” real reason they voted for him. Until the white soccer moms in their segregated lily-white suburbs drop their hypocritical posturing and overcome their cognitive dissonance there’s not much hope that white folks will come together.

  302. Terry says:

    I just discovered Professor MacDonald and I haven’t been this impressed in a LONG time! In reading the article, I was interested in getting more information about the professor. But then, I saw the barrage of mind-numbingly typical communist/bolshevik comments and THAT got my attention! The hordes certainly came out to attack the professor here, which is all the evidence I need to know this book and the professor are legit. Keep up the great work! You are appreciated!

  303. @John Johnson

    Swedes are, themselves, ‘cucked’ – too soft – and arrogant, thinking everything they do must succeed, but their media is owned by Jews, too.

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