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Keep Your Eye on the Camel
Are the soccer federation arrests about Israel?
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There is a folk tale attributed possibly inaccurately to the Arabs regarding a traveler who allows his camel to first stick its nose into his tent, then followed by other parts of its body, until finally the camel is entirely inside, taking up all the room and refusing to leave. The camel’s humble initial importunity had been so self-effacing and so modest that the traveler did not feel threatened or obliged to object until it was too late to do anything about it. The lesson incumbent on the tale has commonly been abbreviated to the warning “Beware the camel’s nose.”

When I think of the camel I inevitably think of Israel. Israel was created in 1948 against the better judgment of Washington’s foreign policy and defense establishments. President Harry Truman, who sought reelection and was reliant on both Jewish money and votes as part of his strategy, overrode those concerns and endorsed the process. Whether or not he genuinely believed that Israel would accommodate its Arab neighbors and become a true liberal democracy in the region is by no means clear, but the nation’s founders immediately set out to do neither, ethnically cleansing the Palestinians and confiscating their land followed by creation of what is legally and practically a state that benefits only one religious group.

Truman’s allowing the camel’s nose to enter into U.S. politics has unfortunately proven to be far from trivial as Israel’s camel has succeeded in moving into the tent and skillfully manipulating the situation to become a dominant first tier issue for an increasing number of American politicians on the make, not unlike Truman himself. In so doing, a tiny client state has been able to gain the whip hand from its much larger master. And the camel, sensing its power, has not been restrained in terms of demanding its host meet its increasingly onerous needs.

A rationalist might well observe that the United States and Israel have interests that sometimes coincide, but to pretend that that is what drives the process ignores the size and proclivities of the camel. News out of Israel is persistently grim, to include recent proposals to segregate public transportation to preclude its use by Palestinians, and it is made more so by the attempts being made by the White House to buy off the camel by offering it treats again and again lest it begin to make its characteristic rumbling growling noise refer to as nuzzing.

Israel’s new government is its most right wing ever, which is saying a lot. It has a Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely who claims that all the land up to the Jordan River belongs to Israel because the God says so and Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan as Deputy Defense Minister, who has called Palestinians “animals and said “Jews always have higher souls than goyim, even if they’re gay.” He will serve as chief Israeli administrator for the Palestinian Territories, where a lot of goyim are trying to live.

In his electoral campaign, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made clear that he is unwilling to negotiate with the Palestinians and will not permit a Palestinian state, at a stroke contradicting his previous faux acceptance of U.S. proposals to do just that. And of course Israel is moving ahead by building new settlements, another program that Washington had long derided as “illegal” before deciding on a more accommodating word choice by describing them as “unhelpful.” Unhelpful settlements pairs neatly with the journalistic and political replacement of any mention of Israel’s “occupation” of the West Bank with the more comfortably ambiguous “disputed territory.”

It is quite astonishing to note the extent to which President Barack Obama’s Administration has sought to satisfy the demands of the increasingly irritable camel. This long running apology for Washington’s temerity in seeking to advance its own interests reached a frenzied level after Israel began to pressure the White House over Obama’s attempts to reach an agreement on Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program.

The bare bones narrative over what is taking place would delight an aspiring fiction writer who most probably would nevertheless find the plot too unrealistic to use, even if does feature the novelty of a ship of the desert. Ironically, the United States is seeking to do what is clearly in Israel’s interest, and that is to take away Iran’s ability to construct a nuclear weapon. Nevertheless, the Israelis are pushing back to defeat such a resolution because what they really want is for the United States to attack and destroy Iran in a more comprehensive fashion. To that end, Israel and its allies have succeeded in empowering Congress to review, and reject, any agreement made by the White House. It is believed that the Israel Lobby already has enough votes in the Senate to do just that, though it will be more difficult sledding in the House where the Democrats have a firmer grip on their own party members, who are at least for the moment numerous enough to block such an outcome.

Meanwhile bribes are flowing towards the camel from the Obama Administration in an attempt to get it to back off. Israel already receives $3 billion for “defense” from the U.S. Treasury on October 1st every year. But that is only part of the reckoning as there are extras rolled into other legislation. There is, for example, $225 million dedicated to the improvement and expansion of Israel’s Iron Dome defense system. More recently, the White House has approved $1.9 billion in new armaments to include bunker buster and conventional bombs as well as hellfire missiles, a total of 32,100 pieces of ordnance.

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It is unlikely that Israel will actually pay for any of that as it is a bribe for good behavior and may be rolled into an even larger arms package that will include a number of new F-35 warplanes. The Congress and Pentagon are also budgeting funds to help Israel develop ground penetrating tunnel detecting radar, a technology for which the United States has no real need.

On the private sector side, the Treasury and Justice Departments are generous in allowing so-called charitable contributions to Israel, tens of millions of dollars of which goes towards expanding the illegal settlements and increasing the clandestine purchases of Arab owned land inside Israel. Total charitable contributions by Americans to Israel exceed $2 billion per year, but they are likely far exceeded by private contributions from Jewish organizations and individuals for which no tax deduction is claimed. As Israel’s GDP was $291 billion in 2014, these amount to significant cash inflows, particularly as they are repeated year after year.

And now it is reported that the Netanyahu government will seek an additional $1.5 billion in additional defense aid per annum if it is to go along with White House policies throughout the Middle East, including Iran. No doubt the first year’s increase will cover many of the new weapons that are in the pipeline but after that, it will raise the annual U.S. contribution to Israel’s so-called defense to nearly $5 billion.

And then there is the question of how the new weapons will be used. Conventional wisdom in the media was that the promised Blu 113 Super Penetrators nearly 5,000 pound bunker busters are intended for Iran if Israel should decide to attack. The New York Post even demanded that Israel be given the “means to defend itself” against Iran by also being provided with the huge GBU-57 30,000 pound bunker busters that are in the U.S. arsenal and, as Tel Aviv does not have heavy bombers, they should also be given the planes to deliver the payload.

But several observers have come up with a more plausible target than Iran: Hizbollah. The new bombs that Israel will be receiving are not powerful enough to destroy Iranian hardened sites but are perfect for eliminating Hizbollah bunkers in southern Lebanon. A war with Hizbollah timed to take place before the end of June, when the Iran negotiations are scheduled to conclude, would throw the entire region into a tailspin and could easily be a game changer, again portraying Israel as a victim, rallying the U.S. Congress and media against any deal with Iran and no doubt derailing the talks. All that is needed is a pretext to attack Lebanon and Israel is expert at providing such pretexts.

Finally, there is the political cover that the camel demands. President Obama has been on an apology tour trying to sell his policies to a skeptical Jewish American audience, holding private meetings with leaders of Jewish organizations, and culminating in a groveling speech at congregation Adas Israel synagogue in Washington in celebration of Jewish American Heritage Month. The United States also backed up its rhetoric most recently when it used its United Nations veto to stop proposals for a conference to create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East, a move applauded by Israel but which conflicts with long term Washington support of measures to stop nuclear proliferation, another instance where deferring to Israel interests does damage to U.S. national security.

And there is also a comic opera side to it all. Last Wednesday the United States Justice Department moved to arrest fourteen officials and marketing executives connected to the world soccer federation, FIFA, on corruption charges. Why would the United States Department of Justice waste its time and resources on what is likely to be a hugely expensive show trial seeking to convict members of an organization that has little public face in the United States and relates to a sport, professional soccer, that is only of limited interest to Americans? The answer, at least for the timing of the arrests, might just be Israel.

The Palestinian Football Association had previously called for a vote to suspend Israel from FIFA because Israeli teams routinely play in the occupied West Bank while the Israeli government both harasses and restricts the movements of Palestinian players between the West Bank and Gaza as well as to international matches. The suspension vote requires a 75% majority of the 209 FIFA members and it would have devastating impact in Israel, somewhat similar to what happened when South Africa was suspended from most international sporting activity due to its apartheid laws. Benjamin Netanyahu recognized the danger and vowed to resist any such moves very aggressively even if it would lead to the destruction of FIFA. Preceding the FIFA arrests, it was considered quite possible that the Palestinian appeal would be successful.

So was it just a coincidence that three days before the Palestinian vote the U.S. government ordered the Swiss police to raid the hotel where the FIFA functionaries were staying to make arrests on corruption charges going back more than twenty years? And how was it that reporters and photographers from the New York Times appeared in the hotel lobby at dawn to record the incident in real time? Was the timing and media coverage intended to delay or cancel the vote? If that was the intention, it succeeded as the Palestinians came under intense pressure at last Friday’s chaotic FIFA meeting and withdrew their motion, delighting Netanyahu .

There is little doubt that FIFA is extremely corrupt, particularly involving bids for World Cups as well as in its marketing and broadcast agreements, and it is clear that it has been under investigation by the U.S. authorities for quite some time. But what is the United States interest apart from resentment over losing out on its own World Cup bids? Only two of the fourteen indicted persons are American citizens, one native born and the other a dual national. And the Attorney General will have to tie herself in knots to claim jurisdiction over foreign national FIFA functionaries who presumably committed their alleged crimes overseas. Washington will have to use the same mechanisms it employs for terrorist cases, where any connection including a phone call or internet message that travels through a U.S. based transmission line can be cited as a compelling American interest in the case.

Is the FIFA embarrassment yet another instance of something seemingly unrelated turning out to be at least in part a gift to Israel? The reader can decide for him or herself, but I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.

 
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  1. I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla…

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I've just returned from Israel full of admiration for what I saw (as well as entertainment and not without awareness of Potemkin villages - not in evidence among the Bedouin- and plenty of 20s and 30s precedents for turning tourists into useful idiots).

    However I don't think ill aimed blunderbuses are useful weapons in controversy and to describe someone with the name Giraldi as a WASP - unless you know more about him than I suspect you do - just won't sustain your credit with the jury.
    My first quibble (and pls excuse me just having quibbles as I have too little Jewish family connection to allow me a dog, or camel, in this festival) is that the author describes Israel as a country which is legally and practically run for one religious group. But how can the Jews of Israel be described as "one religious group". While it is true that even atheist Jews may maintain some tribal/family customs like Friday night dinners it is really quite a stretch to treat Israel as being religiously monolithic within its Jewish community or communities.
    And JT: isn't it an interesting speculation that at least the timing of US prosecutors' latest example (if I am not characterising it unfairly) of Imperial overstretch might be related to the motion to exclude Israel from FIFA? Is it wrong? Is it implausible?
    , @Sam Shama
    "...isn't it an interesting speculation that at least the timing of US prosecutors' latest example (if I am not characterising it unfairly) of Imperial overstretch might be related to the motion to exclude Israel from FIFA? Is it wrong? Is it implausible?"

    it is plausible but highly improbable. Mr. Giraldi and some others, make a living from seeing Israel's "evil hand" in just about everything. If they lost this unique ability, obsolescence would surely follow.

    As it is said about the old spinsters, they look under their beds in fear, or rather in the hope, of finding a man!
    , @JustJeff
    See that's what made me side with the anti-Semites. They have facts, they use Occam's razor, they work with a basic understanding of human nature. By contrast the philo-Semites rely on guilt, shame, propaganda, and ad-hominem attacks. Anti-Semites point out a ridiculous number of Jews in the halls of power working for the interests of their nation and people, philo-Semites counter with your-a-evil-nazi and this utterly bizarre notion that unlike every other conceivable group of human beings, how people perceive Jews has nothing to do with how Jews behave.
    , @schmenz
    Gosh....
    , @Anonymous
    "Giraldi" is not an Anglo-Saxon, Protestant name.
    , @Art
    “I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla…”

    So what do we say when a low life piece of human trash expresses a desire for someone’s death and then to piss on his grave?

    Jesus said “forgive them father for they know not what they do.” So we have to look at old Joe and see where he is coming from – what evil grips his mind – where does he get his bloody mindset? We know that it exists – just look at Israel – last year it murdered 2,300 Palestinians. As Joe has shown us, the desire for the death of one’s opponents is overwhelming in the tribal Jew.

    So where does this come from? Joe’s whole life, his identity is based around something that never happened - poor old Joe is a Passover baby. He thinks that his mini god sent down black angles of death to liberate his tribe. He thinks and revels in the thought that the first born of all of Egypt was murdered for him. How awfully sick. (Of course this never happened – even more sick.)

    So death to his enemies is poor old Joe’s modes operandi. How weak minded can someone be to not see that killing just gets more killing. All of humanity knows this but the inferior thinking sicko Jews. Will they have the courage to modernize their thinking before it is too late?
    , @The_Worst_Nazi_Is_an_Ashkenazi
    You are a zionist ashkenazi pig, along with all of the current fascist leaders of the occupied Palestinian state..

    People know that the US Media is complicit in the crimes of the Zionists against the semetic populations (both Arab and native Jews) of Palestine.

    , @SFG
    'Hava Nagila'/ 'Havah Nagillah' is spelled wrong.

    This guy is a troll.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    "I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla…"

    It may be a tad bit early for celebrating. Jews are only a tiny percentage of the U.S. population, and a much smaller percentage of the world's population. Who on earth is going to trust or support Jews after everyone has seen what Jews have done to the U.S., the West and their neighbors in the ME? You people depend on others trusting you. What now? WASPs and European whites may be in a bind, but do you really believe that Jews will waltz away untouched? Everyone with any sense understands that the situation with Jews probably isn't going to end well for anyone. Jews are just more vulnerable in the end.
    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    "I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla…'

    It was such a mistake for us to let you people in to our country.
    , @guest
    Is it okay to want to piss on the graves of WASP imbeciles, or is this just race vs. race, with no larger point? Doesn't matter, I suppose, considering:

    1). It's okay to be racist against WASPs, and

    2). I don't think the author's a WASP anyway.
    , @pyrrhus
    What Geraldi is saying must have truth to it, since it elicits mindless ad hominem attacks and name calling of the lowest kind....
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  2. Below is the culminating sentence of this piece.

    I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.

    The author is trying to provoke the emotion of disgust.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.

    This piece crosses over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical attack.

    The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he’d be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.

    The facts frame him as a hypocrite and a coward.

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    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

     

    “To me, they are like animals, they aren’t human.”


    “Jews always have higher souls than goyim, even if they’re gay.”



    Maybe you should toss a few stones at Tel Aviv while you are at it.
    , @Sam Shama
    Very well said.
    , @solontoCroesus
    Are you criticizing Dr. Giraldi for failing to humanize camels??

    Any thoughts on Aesop's Fables that you'd like share with us, Everyone Else?
    , @Sherman
    The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.

    Israel is a powerful and thriving democracy. Whatever faults Israel has the fact remains that Arabs living within its borders are infinitely better off than Arabs living in any of the basket case Arab countries Giraldi speaks so highly of.

    Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.

    , @Art
    “The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he’d be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.”

    The truth of the matter is that Giraldi is showing great courage – we all know that to be true. It is dishonest of you to intimate that there are no repercussions from you Jews.

    Old Passover Joe Thrumpeldor has already expressed a desire for Giraldi’s death. Then he wants to piss on his grave. What a inferior knuckle dragging throwback!
    , @William
    The U.S. govt, including congress -- both house and Senate -- have already been taken over by agents of Israel. Israel, at least at the present time, controls U. S. Mideast policy.
    Americans are plenty smart, but they have no clue as to what is really happening in congress and in Palestine, Israel, Syria, Libya, or Iraq. Anyone interested can do a Google search and discover for himself that Jews dominate the U.S. media, both electronic and print. Jews either own the news organizations outright or else they control them through partial ownership, stock, and the very top positions in all these companies.
    I wonder if it is illegal to desecrate the flag of Great Britain, or the flag of Saudi Arabia, or the flag of Syria, or Lebanon, or Egypt. Or Israel.
    The U.S. is wallowing the a slough of ignorance deliberately fostered by the major media.
    , @guest
    "The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, [sic] is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy."

    Lots of people empathize more with nonhumans than humans. When I watch "Braveheart," for instance, with my family they are always more upset about the poor horses getting killed than the men. Not that camels are horses, and obviously the point of the camel's nose adage is the camel's a bad thing. Just wait, at least, for people to start comparing Jews to rats and cancer before going off on dehumanization, lest you find yourself advocating for all human communication on controversial subjects to read like instruction manuals.

    It's not just folky anecdotes, fairytales, humor, and racism that uses anthropomorphization. Wave goodbye to a good chunk of classical literature, for starters. Do you really want to live in a world where we can't compare men to animals? Where people'd have to read the Iliad in secret, like Winston Smith hiding his diary from the viewscreen?

    That's hyperbole, I know. But so's suggesting such an article as this is tantamount to encouraging genocide. I'm not alone in having chronic fatigue syndrome over keeping vigil against the dark forces if the universe plotting against Jewish lives. As if they're the only people in the world ever in danger. And as if even if they are in a fight for their very existence it's my business. It isn't.

    By the way, Giraldi would have more to fear if Israel were more evil and he were a Palestinian or whomever else Israel views as its enemy. Since he lives where the money comes from, he has a lot less to fear.
    , @KA
    Can you ask Juan Cole, Mr Jovel, Mr Salilata, Helen Thomas, Octavia Nasr, Jim Clancy, ,Sanchez ,Desmond Tutu, whta happened to their rights of free speech, truth telling, jobs and the promotions?

    In UK Labor MP's and even Tory MPS had to resign party post for saying things that Isarelis discuss among themselves ( apartheid,occupation ) all the times
  3. The FIFA arrests might be a case of attempting to kill two birds with one stone. For sure the USA doesn’t want a repeat of the public relations success Sochi represented for Russia. There was a (lame) attempt to push out Sepp Blatter and replace him with a USA stooge (lap dog Jordan’s candidate) .. but it was a doomed move on account of the USA controlled little more than Europe’s votes. In any case the USA uselessly expended it’s already small capital and leverage within the world soccer scene by putting its corrupt political agenda on a par with with the very corruption fans across the globe are exceedingly disgusted with. Did Israel precipitate what amounted to an overtly political, stupid move? Nearly anything is possible in the filthy game of geopolitics, including dirtying the so-called ‘beautiful game’ which didn’t need the extra layer of dirt represented in the USA going after what amounts to petty crooks when compared to the criminals at, example given, CitiBank, who received a ‘get out of jail free’ card from the DoJ.

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  4. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    I’ve just returned from Israel full of admiration for what I saw (as well as entertainment and not without awareness of Potemkin villages – not in evidence among the Bedouin- and plenty of 20s and 30s precedents for turning tourists into useful idiots).

    However I don’t think ill aimed blunderbuses are useful weapons in controversy and to describe someone with the name Giraldi as a WASP – unless you know more about him than I suspect you do – just won’t sustain your credit with the jury.
    My first quibble (and pls excuse me just having quibbles as I have too little Jewish family connection to allow me a dog, or camel, in this festival) is that the author describes Israel as a country which is legally and practically run for one religious group. But how can the Jews of Israel be described as “one religious group”. While it is true that even atheist Jews may maintain some tribal/family customs like Friday night dinners it is really quite a stretch to treat Israel as being religiously monolithic within its Jewish community or communities.
    And JT: isn’t it an interesting speculation that at least the timing of US prosecutors’ latest example (if I am not characterising it unfairly) of Imperial overstretch might be related to the motion to exclude Israel from FIFA? Is it wrong? Is it implausible?

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    But how can the Jews of Israel be described as “one religious group”. While it is true that even atheist Jews may maintain some tribal/family customs like Friday night dinners it is really quite a stretch to treat Israel as being religiously monolithic within its Jewish community or communities.
     
    The problem is that - whether you consider yourself Christian or not - you have an eminently Christian-centric view of religious identity, and more specifically a social-confessionalist view of the sort that grew up in post-Reformation Europe. It is a view that was particularly influential in Holland and in the British Isles with the multiplicity of nonconformist sects that flourished alongside official Protestant cults as well as the Roman Catholic Church, and which was exported to the United States. In most of the rest of the world, it would be absurd to think of "a religion" first and foremost as something you "join" or in most cases even "choose," as do many American Christians but also atheists, deistic and agnostics (many of these latter groups being so far removed from reality that whole they are perfectly aware that they came from apes several hundred thousand/several million years ago, they seem to have no idea that the intellectual undercurrent to which they cling is not a "blank slate" of human nature but in fact grew up in a very tumultuous phase of Christendom just a few hundred years back).

    True, Christians have always taught that one is not born a Christian but initiated through baptism - indeed, this ritual was concocted to allow anyone from any background of religious tradition to join in the Christian understanding of theology and expression of spirituality. Inevitably, though, as many generations baptized their children continuously, a specifically Christian culture and genetic civilization developed, one which is now being torn apart at the seams, but the tearing apart of which Christianity may very well survive nonetheless, if it successfully transitions to the seeking of mass adult converts as was done in the past.

    This is not the case for Judaism. For the Jew, Jewish ethnicity and belonging to the Jewish religion are one and the same. It used to be likewise for the Hindu, and has only changed because the staggering complexity and variety within the subcontinental religious traditions claimed under the umbrella of Hinduism made the region open to Christian social if not theological influence.

    By contrast, about the only influence Christianity has had on Jewish society has been to impose monogamy, and there, on only a part of the Jewish world has there been any success.

    It is not that Eurocentric or Christian-centric thought is a bad thing, but where such tendencies lead to naïve assumptions about how others see themselves (and us, and about how they would like us to see them), they need to be carefully cast aside.
    , @Anonymous
    While truly Israel doesn't run an inquisition to determine what each citizen believes in his heart of hearts, and it doesn't chuck out every heretic and nonbeliever, if there is any country on earth run by and for a single religion, or in this case religio-racial group (not that it's as racially homogeneous as they pretend), it's Israel.
    , @Blake
    Full of admiration for how it came into being at expense of 90% of the native people it ethnically cleansed out using terrorist gangs who now languish in refugee camps in a state of limbo 67 years ago? the longest & largest refugee problem. Either you have not done your homework or lack basic human morals and ethics
  5. I think it was more driven originally by the humiliation of Qatar beating a US bid involving Bill Clinton and Henry Kissinger. Subsequently there have been clear attempts by the usual suspects to politicise the fact Russia won the right to host the 2018 WC by trying to have that right withdrawn. The Israeli thing just gave it additional impetus. A lot like with JFK a lot of interests aligning.

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  6. Dear Mr Giraldi ,

    Given the fact that not ONE individual operating out of the “Office of Special Plans” has been held to account for” defrauding” the American People out of” trillions” of our tax dollars into starting a war of aggression (in Iraq)that “exterminated” millions of people that never attacked us….without doubt the supreme” terrorist” act of the 21st century….

    Given the fact that not ONE CEO of any of our “Too Big to Fail ” banks has been held to account for” defrauding ” the American People out of “trillions” of our tax dollars during the sub prime” fiasco” , what Warren Buffett (rightly) labelled” the Pearl harbor” of the US economy ,and ,without doubt ,the most heinous act of “economic terrorism” of the 21st century…..
    One witnesses the news of the “heroic”FIFA arrests and its ” glowing” front page accolades, with an uncanny sense of awe…
    That the Department of Justice actually CARES about fighting corruption ?
    That the Department of Justice actually CARES about fighting Fraud ?
    That the Department of Justice actually CARES about fighting terrorism ?
    If they really care at all… then Go after those who have perpetrated these MOST HEINOUS CRIMES against our Nation …..and the world … put them in either Guantanamo Bay or federal prison and claw back AS MUCH if not ALL the money that was stolen from US !

    If the Department of Justice really cares at ALL,….about “justice”….Why isn’t THAT their number one mandate ?

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    • Replies: @Realist
    I agree. Almost anything is more important than sports....'men' playing little kid games.
    , @Orville H. Larson
    I agree with every friggin' word you wrote.

    The U.S. "Justice" Department can't be bothered with minor stuff like American war crimes/criminals, torture, rendition, Israeli subversion, "too big to fail" banks, and the like. No, going after FIFA is far more important.
  7. What a shameful article. We should be glad that god’s chosen have graced our strong country with open borders, multiculturalism, civil rights, identity politics, cultural/religious/racial/economic polarization, the disintegration of the American family, endless war in the ME, taking over the Ivy League, and everywhere that leads to, and so on and so on… And, if history tells us anything, it’s that this will end well………

    They are the most efficient catalyst for globalization that mankind has ever seen, this is so mind-numbingly obvious to any comprehensively objective observer of history. It is in their ultimate nature, to all our detriment, to speed up the rate in which evolution takes place, as if Western Civilization wasn’t already bad enough. There is no worse comorbidity to mankind than Western exceptionalism + Jewish ethnocentrism.

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  8. An illuminating article from Mr. Giraldi, as usual. And, as usual, provocative of hysterical outbursts from Israel Firsters. Poor Phil is decried as a crypto-Nazi WASP (!) whose demise is eagerly anticipated and a hypocritical coward (!). Well, that doesn’t sound like the Philip Giraldi whose patriotic and courageous writings I’ve enjoyed for years. Could the hysteria be due to a panicky fear that the Zionist house of cards is finally starting to tumble down?

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    Could the hysteria be due to a panicky fear that the Zionist house of cards is finally starting to tumble down?
     
    Hope springs eternal.

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    Most likely the camel that got its nose in the US tent on behalf of Israel is a one-hump camel, native to Arabia, Africa and the Middle East region.

    China has camels too; they are two-hump camels.

    China understands camels and is aware of their usefulness. http://www.chinaculture.org/gb/en_aboutchina/2003-09/24/content_21064.htm As the linked article notes, China's two-hump camels can travel far, and are a good source of high-quality meat. (The same might be said of Iran's camels: I had a very good meal of camel in a restaurant in Mashad, which is short camel's ride from Iran's border with Afghanistan.) China is also cognizant that -- if you'll pardon the mangled metaphors, too many camel's noses spoil the soup. In China's Document 9, that nation has placed limitations on whose organizations and ideas may impose themselves on the Chinese way of life.

    Ira Belkin and Jerome Cohen, of New York University Law School's U.S. - Asian institute, are critical of China's attempts to limit the camels in its tent. In a recent New York Times op-ed, Belkin and Cohen complained that


    "foreign-based nonprofit organizations would need to be vetted by China’s security police before they conduct activities in China,"
     
    and also objected that

    One of the most chilling parts of the draft, Article 59, extends to activities outside China’s borders. Any of the following vaguely defined actions, if attributed not only to a representative within China but also to a foreign organization abroad, would be a violation: subversion of state power, undermining ethnic harmony, spreading rumors, or “other situations that endanger state security or damage the national interest or society’s public interest.”
     
    Do Belkin and Cohen insist that NGOs operating in a foreign country be encouraged to "subvert state power?" If their model is the activities of AIPAC, which gets around burdensome requirements to register as a foreign agent by persistently refusing to do so, then the answer is Yes: Belkin and Cohen would demand that China open its doors -- its tent -- to subversives.

    China has seen how that has played out and has formed its own ideas about how a camel should behave, encapsulated in the ancient concept of HE: Peace and Harmony.

    China took to heart that old WASP Phil Giraldi's cautionary conclusion even before he wrote it: contending with an alien camel in your tent "is not an experience that one would like to repeat." Maybe Marco Polo conveyed the message.

    ---
    PS In some ways China is far more free and open than many model Western states: holocaust "denial" is legal in China.

  9. Excellent diversion from Mr. Giraldi, or should I say, Mr. Qatari

    Anything that Israel can be accused of, Qatar can be accused of twice as much.

    The FIFA scandal is all Qatari Islamist imperialism.

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    "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided to appoint Ayelet Shaked as justice minister in his fourth government. Shaked is a Member of Knesset (MK) representing the far-right HaBayit HaYehudi (“Jewish Home”) party. She is known for her extreme, ultranationalist views.
    During Israel’s summer 2014 attack on Gaza, MK Shaked essentially called for the genocide of Palestinians. In a Facebook post on July 1—a day before Israeli extremists kidnapped Palestinian teenager Muhammad Abu Khdeir and burned him alive—the lawmaker asserted that “the entire Palestinian people is the enemy” and called for its destruction, “including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.”

    Her post consisted of an excerpt from an article by Uri Elitzur, the late right-wing journalist and leader of the Israeli settler movement, which seeks to colonize Palestinian land in contravention of international law. Elitzur also served as a speechwriter and advisor to Netanyahu.

    Shaked later deleted the status, which garnered 1,000s of likes and shares, yet not before it was archived. '
    www.mondoweiss.net

    She soon will be invited by Columbia University .WSJ will ask her to write some editorial .NYT wil discover the meanings of the statements:- 'wiping off the map"

  10. @Everyone Else
    Below is the culminating sentence of this piece.

    I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.
     
    The author is trying to provoke the emotion of disgust.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.

    This piece crosses over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical attack.

    The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he'd be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.

    The facts frame him as a hypocrite and a coward.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    “To me, they are like animals, they aren’t human.”

    “Jews always have higher souls than goyim, even if they’re gay.”

    Maybe you should toss a few stones at Tel Aviv while you are at it.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    "Maybe you should toss a few stones at Tel Aviv while you are at it."

    And you should practice your swing at Teheran/Khamenei/Ahmedinejad habitually and casually calling for the death and destruction of America and Israel

    Halevai.
    , @Everyone Else
    The publicizing of disgust communicates more than dehumanization.

    It conveys toxicity and danger of contamination.

    It creates a moral obligation to destroy the disgusting people in order to protect the rest of humanity.

    Giraldi's words pass over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical destruction.

    Every massacre is preceded by propaganda about the disgusting qualities of the people about to be attacked.

    The irony is that Giraldi has fixated on virtually the only "enemy" who would never attack him back. He can implicitly say "Go kill Israel" but Israel would never say "Go kill Giraldi".

    Giraldi doesn't preach disgust about Russia, China or Islam, because he knows they wouldn't take it, and he wouldn't be able to sleep peacefully at night.

    That's why he's a hypocrite and a coward.
  11. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    “…isn’t it an interesting speculation that at least the timing of US prosecutors’ latest example (if I am not characterising it unfairly) of Imperial overstretch might be related to the motion to exclude Israel from FIFA? Is it wrong? Is it implausible?”

    it is plausible but highly improbable. Mr. Giraldi and some others, make a living from seeing Israel’s “evil hand” in just about everything. If they lost this unique ability, obsolescence would surely follow.

    As it is said about the old spinsters, they look under their beds in fear, or rather in the hope, of finding a man!

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    "As it is said about the old spinsters, they look under their beds in fear, or rather in the hope, of finding a man!"

    Hey Sam - I like your hasbara – you give us some humor along with the Israeli propaganda – not like that bad old Joe Trumpeldor – he is way meaner (but probably more honest) then you are.

    p.s. How did you Passovers manage to murder 2,300 Palestinians last year?
  12. @Everyone Else
    Below is the culminating sentence of this piece.

    I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.
     
    The author is trying to provoke the emotion of disgust.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.

    This piece crosses over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical attack.

    The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he'd be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.

    The facts frame him as a hypocrite and a coward.

    Very well said.

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  13. @alexander
    Dear Mr Giraldi ,

    Given the fact that not ONE individual operating out of the "Office of Special Plans" has been held to account for" defrauding" the American People out of" trillions" of our tax dollars into starting a war of aggression (in Iraq)that "exterminated" millions of people that never attacked us....without doubt the supreme" terrorist" act of the 21st century....

    Given the fact that not ONE CEO of any of our "Too Big to Fail " banks has been held to account for" defrauding " the American People out of "trillions" of our tax dollars during the sub prime" fiasco" , what Warren Buffett (rightly) labelled" the Pearl harbor" of the US economy ,and ,without doubt ,the most heinous act of "economic terrorism" of the 21st century.....
    One witnesses the news of the "heroic"FIFA arrests and its " glowing" front page accolades, with an uncanny sense of awe...
    That the Department of Justice actually CARES about fighting corruption ?
    That the Department of Justice actually CARES about fighting Fraud ?
    That the Department of Justice actually CARES about fighting terrorism ?
    If they really care at all... then Go after those who have perpetrated these MOST HEINOUS CRIMES against our Nation .....and the world ... put them in either Guantanamo Bay or federal prison and claw back AS MUCH if not ALL the money that was stolen from US !


    If the Department of Justice really cares at ALL,....about "justice"....Why isn't THAT their number one mandate ?

    I agree. Almost anything is more important than sports….’men’ playing little kid games.

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  14. @Ralph Raico
    An illuminating article from Mr. Giraldi, as usual. And, as usual, provocative of hysterical outbursts from Israel Firsters. Poor Phil is decried as a crypto-Nazi WASP (!) whose demise is eagerly anticipated and a hypocritical coward (!). Well, that doesn't sound like the Philip Giraldi whose patriotic and courageous writings I've enjoyed for years. Could the hysteria be due to a panicky fear that the Zionist house of cards is finally starting to tumble down?

    Could the hysteria be due to a panicky fear that the Zionist house of cards is finally starting to tumble down?

    Hope springs eternal.

    Most likely the camel that got its nose in the US tent on behalf of Israel is a one-hump camel, native to Arabia, Africa and the Middle East region.

    China has camels too; they are two-hump camels.

    China understands camels and is aware of their usefulness. http://www.chinaculture.org/gb/en_aboutchina/2003-09/24/content_21064.htm As the linked article notes, China’s two-hump camels can travel far, and are a good source of high-quality meat. (The same might be said of Iran’s camels: I had a very good meal of camel in a restaurant in Mashad, which is short camel’s ride from Iran’s border with Afghanistan.) China is also cognizant that — if you’ll pardon the mangled metaphors, too many camel’s noses spoil the soup. In China’s Document 9, that nation has placed limitations on whose organizations and ideas may impose themselves on the Chinese way of life.

    Ira Belkin and Jerome Cohen, of New York University Law School’s U.S. – Asian institute, are critical of China’s attempts to limit the camels in its tent. In a recent New York Times op-ed, Belkin and Cohen complained that

    “foreign-based nonprofit organizations would need to be vetted by China’s security police before they conduct activities in China,”

    and also objected that

    One of the most chilling parts of the draft, Article 59, extends to activities outside China’s borders. Any of the following vaguely defined actions, if attributed not only to a representative within China but also to a foreign organization abroad, would be a violation: subversion of state power, undermining ethnic harmony, spreading rumors, or “other situations that endanger state security or damage the national interest or society’s public interest.”

    Do Belkin and Cohen insist that NGOs operating in a foreign country be encouraged to “subvert state power?” If their model is the activities of AIPAC, which gets around burdensome requirements to register as a foreign agent by persistently refusing to do so, then the answer is Yes: Belkin and Cohen would demand that China open its doors — its tent — to subversives.

    China has seen how that has played out and has formed its own ideas about how a camel should behave, encapsulated in the ancient concept of HE: Peace and Harmony.

    China took to heart that old WASP Phil Giraldi’s cautionary conclusion even before he wrote it: contending with an alien camel in your tent “is not an experience that one would like to repeat.” Maybe Marco Polo conveyed the message.


    PS In some ways China is far more free and open than many model Western states: holocaust “denial” is legal in China.

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    "One of the most chilling parts of the draft, Article 59, extends to activities outside China’s borders. Any of the following vaguely defined actions, if attributed not only to a representative within China but also to a foreign organization abroad, would be a violation: subversion of state power, undermining ethnic harmony, spreading rumors, or “other situations that endanger state security or damage the national interest or society’s public interest.”

    Does it mean that a NGO/ Think ( based outsideChina)Tank expressing negative opinion ,critical comments,exposing secrets ,plans,conspiracies or suggesting remedies that China finds offensive or anti Chinese expression with potential of harming it interest will be considered as criminal by China ?
    I hope that's not the case .
  15. @Everyone Else
    Below is the culminating sentence of this piece.

    I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.
     
    The author is trying to provoke the emotion of disgust.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.

    This piece crosses over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical attack.

    The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he'd be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.

    The facts frame him as a hypocrite and a coward.

    Are you criticizing Dr. Giraldi for failing to humanize camels??

    Any thoughts on Aesop’s Fables that you’d like share with us, Everyone Else?

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  16. Mr. Giraldi and some others, make a living from seeing Israel’s “evil hand” in just about all things. If they lost this unique ability, obsolescence would surely follow.

    As it is said about the old spinsters, they look under their beds in fear, or rather in the hope, of finding a man!

    Imagine her chagrin when she looked under the bed and found Netanyahu in a threesome with Abbas and Nelson Mandela!

    By [evil hand] Chemi Shalev May 30, 2015 , for [obsolescent] Haaretz The obvious and curious South African angles of Israel’s FIFA challenge
    The irony of history: Former ANC leader and anti-apartheid activist Tokyo Sexwale is pegged to monitor Israeli policies towards Palestinian footballers:

    In their rush to declare victory following the frustration of Rajoub’s plan to expel Israel outright, most Israeli politicians and analysts seemed to ignore the potential symbolism and irony of putting a prominent anti-apartheid activist to adjudicate Palestinian claims of Israeli racism and discrimination. The lapse is significant in light of the fact that Palestinians and the boycott divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement view the international boycott of apartheid South Africa – in which sports played a pivotal role – as a precedent and inspiration for their own anti-Israeli campaigns.

    In fact, though white South Africans were stung far more by subsequent boycotts in rugby, cricket and the Olympics, soccer was one of the first arenas in which non-white South Africa together with the rising Africa-Asian bloc of non-aligned nations scored initial victories against the apartheid regime. FIFA’s first suspension of South Africa in 1961 was temporarily lifted at the behest of Blatter’s apartheid-condoning predecessor, the English Stanley Rous, but was shortly reinstated thereafter until 1976, when the Pretoria regime was expelled altogether following the Soweto Uprisings. South Africa was only reinstated in 1992, after it abolished apartheid.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    "Imagine her chagrin when she looked under the bed and found Netanyahu in a threesome with Abbas and Nelson Mandela!"

    The repartee falls flat, I am afraid. You do not possess the rapier wit, despite all the pretense.

    Your project to destroy Israel will similarly fall flat. The world will not accept it. Speak to me about this in a year, and annually thereafter.

  17. Ich kann kaum warten…oops… I can’t wait until the political and demographic shift mainly brought about by Jewish intellectuals consumes them before it drags us down. I’ll be standing on your graves singing a much different song (wahrscheinlich auf Deutsch). What was that Robert Allen Zimmerman song’s name? The times are a changin. Everyday the demographic that would support that Zionist state in the west is declining. Maybe in your hate filled brain you fail to notice that is those very same WASPS, upon whose grave you can’t wait to pee, who are the only supporters of zionism. I, personally, haven’t met many zionist Mexicans, Arabs, Chinese or Indians. Come to think of it, I haven’t met many zionist feminist, transgendered, homosexuals, etc. infinitum ad nauseam. Of course, I guess you guys still have the Sampson option, right? Yuk it up while you still can.

    Right back at you, Mr. Trumpeldor. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

    Mr. Smiddy, that was a brilliant piece of satire.

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    We shall see who rides on the wings of Die Walkure!
    , @David
    The idea that Mexicans are not supporters of Israel is wrong. Latin American evangelicals totally accept Israel's legitimacy. They see its existence as a natural historical continuity with the bible. Second to the US, I've heard more Mexicans express an interest in traveling to Israel than to any other country. I'm talking about rural, uneducated types like a lot of those who come here.
  18. @Chris Mallory


    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

     

    “To me, they are like animals, they aren’t human.”


    “Jews always have higher souls than goyim, even if they’re gay.”



    Maybe you should toss a few stones at Tel Aviv while you are at it.

    “Maybe you should toss a few stones at Tel Aviv while you are at it.”

    And you should practice your swing at Teheran/Khamenei/Ahmedinejad habitually and casually calling for the death and destruction of America and Israel

    Halevai.

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    I don't represent Iran. But I do recognize that the repeated "Death to Iran" posts by Israeli trolls and fake conservatives aren't that much different than the "Death to America" chants in Iran.

    Honestly, Israel and it's defense are no business or responsibility of the US government. It is well past time to end the billions in welfare we ship to Tel Aviv every year.

    The biggest instigator of hate in the world today is the terrorist nation of Israel.
    , @Anonymous
    "And you should practice your swing at Teheran/Khamenei/Ahmedinejad habitually and casually calling for the death and destruction of America and Israel.."

    Tell your hasbara teachers to update their handouts. Ahmadinejad has not been in power for years.

    It's the imperial regime in Washington some there want destroyed, BTW. Just like Israelis and Israeli-firsters in America are calling for the destruction of Islamic Iran. There's quite a difference.
  19. @solontoCroesus

    Mr. Giraldi and some others, make a living from seeing Israel’s “evil hand” in just about all things. If they lost this unique ability, obsolescence would surely follow.

    As it is said about the old spinsters, they look under their beds in fear, or rather in the hope, of finding a man!
     
    Imagine her chagrin when she looked under the bed and found Netanyahu in a threesome with Abbas and Nelson Mandela!

    By [evil hand] Chemi Shalev May 30, 2015 , for [obsolescent] Haaretz -- The obvious and curious South African angles of Israel’s FIFA challenge
    The irony of history: Former ANC leader and anti-apartheid activist Tokyo Sexwale is pegged to monitor Israeli policies towards Palestinian footballers:

    In their rush to declare victory following the frustration of Rajoub’s plan to expel Israel outright, most Israeli politicians and analysts seemed to ignore the potential symbolism and irony of putting a prominent anti-apartheid activist to adjudicate Palestinian claims of Israeli racism and discrimination. The lapse is significant in light of the fact that Palestinians and the boycott divestment and sanctions (BDS) movement view the international boycott of apartheid South Africa – in which sports played a pivotal role – as a precedent and inspiration for their own anti-Israeli campaigns.

    In fact, though white South Africans were stung far more by subsequent boycotts in rugby, cricket and the Olympics, soccer was one of the first arenas in which non-white South Africa together with the rising Africa-Asian bloc of non-aligned nations scored initial victories against the apartheid regime. FIFA’s first suspension of South Africa in 1961 was temporarily lifted at the behest of Blatter’s apartheid-condoning predecessor, the English Stanley Rous, but was shortly reinstated thereafter until 1976, when the Pretoria regime was expelled altogether following the Soweto Uprisings. South Africa was only reinstated in 1992, after it abolished apartheid.
     

    “Imagine her chagrin when she looked under the bed and found Netanyahu in a threesome with Abbas and Nelson Mandela!”

    The repartee falls flat, I am afraid. You do not possess the rapier wit, despite all the pretense.

    Your project to destroy Israel will similarly fall flat. The world will not accept it. Speak to me about this in a year, and annually thereafter.

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    I'm not looking for a job as a stand-up comic and I have no pretensions whatsoever to being able to influence the course of events. More's the pity, for if I could, I would counsel Israelis/zionists to change their behavior (how I hate that phrase) before it is too late. I think a different way of dealing with "the Jewish problem" should and must be undertaken by the people of the United States, but zionists are making that less and less likely to occur. Again, more's the pity.

    But the Haaretz journalist -- the name might be Jewish, I don't know for sure, I don't count Jews y'know, that would be auntiesemitic (yuk yuk)-- pointed to an interesting if long-term source of anxiety: a leader of anti-Apartheid activism is now judge-and-jury of Israel's behavior wrt to Palestinian soccer. Boycotting sports was a first step in the unraveling of South African apartheid.
    As Sr. Luke used to say, "Take it to its logical conclusion."

    I have no "project to destroy Israel." Israel will destroy itself. My "project" is to protect those who might get caught in the fury that will inevitably ensue as Israel finds itself caught in a trap of its own making.

    How can an entity that boasts of operating "by way of deception" possibly retain the belief that such is a long-term strategy for getting along in the world?

    Mondoweiss posted this video several years ago -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmkmwuDAy90 or http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/beinart-says-israel-must-give-citizenship-to-palestinians-under-occupation The focus was not the Jewish girl from Israel --Dana Karon -- who was close to tears as she said, "We were lied to," but I thought that was a significant statement.

    If the leaders of Israel lie to their own children, what would they not lie about? What does it say about the zionist project that Jews feel compelled to lie about it in order to maintain their children's buy-in to the project?

    Shortly after the Dana Karon video-comments about being lied to, Jeremy Ben-ami of J Street spoke at a bookstore in Washington, DC. The last question in the Q&A segment was posed by a man who, it turns out, is the teacher of Ben-ami's children. He asked, "What should we teach our children about Palestine?"
    Ben-ami responded, "We should tell them the truth. If we lie to them and they find out, there will be resentment."

    No kidding.

    "There will be resentment."

    Drink lots of water or whatever, Trumpledor. It's going to take a lot of piss to put out the fires of resentment as more and more people wake up to the extent to which they have been lied to, and exploited, and fleeced, and bled, to support Apartheid State version 2.0.

  20. [Unfortunately, there's already a long-time commenter with the handle "Truth" so you should pick a different one to avoid confusion. I'll assume your use of that handle is an honest mistake rather than an attempt at deception, which would not be tolerated.]

    Dear Mr. Giraldi,

    While playing tennis this weekend, the ball took a bad bounce on a crucial point and I missed a backhand passing shot. Was Israel behind that? I don’t think my opponent was Jewish, but it’s possible; maybe he had a Jewish grandparent. Very suspicious. Could you please look into that?

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    "Could you please look into that?"

    They are on the case.

    Pink Panther Strikes Again tune "Ta Ran Ta Ra, Ta Ra,......." beckons the Blameless and Pure as the Driven Snow.
  21. @WotansSohn
    Ich kann kaum warten...oops... I can't wait until the political and demographic shift mainly brought about by Jewish intellectuals consumes them before it drags us down. I'll be standing on your graves singing a much different song (wahrscheinlich auf Deutsch). What was that Robert Allen Zimmerman song's name? The times are a changin. Everyday the demographic that would support that Zionist state in the west is declining. Maybe in your hate filled brain you fail to notice that is those very same WASPS, upon whose grave you can't wait to pee, who are the only supporters of zionism. I, personally, haven't met many zionist Mexicans, Arabs, Chinese or Indians. Come to think of it, I haven't met many zionist feminist, transgendered, homosexuals, etc. infinitum ad nauseam. Of course, I guess you guys still have the Sampson option, right? Yuk it up while you still can.

    Right back at you, Mr. Trumpeldor. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

    Mr. Smiddy, that was a brilliant piece of satire.

    We shall see who rides on the wings of Die Walkure!

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    Ja, wir werden sehen, als wir vorher schon gesehen haben.
  22. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    See that’s what made me side with the anti-Semites. They have facts, they use Occam’s razor, they work with a basic understanding of human nature. By contrast the philo-Semites rely on guilt, shame, propaganda, and ad-hominem attacks. Anti-Semites point out a ridiculous number of Jews in the halls of power working for the interests of their nation and people, philo-Semites counter with your-a-evil-nazi and this utterly bizarre notion that unlike every other conceivable group of human beings, how people perceive Jews has nothing to do with how Jews behave.

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  23. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    Gosh….

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  24. Philip Giraldi speaks truth to (Jewish money and) power. The Hasbara trolls are out in force. He must be saying something meaningful and worthwhile.

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    I couldn't agree with you more! Giraldi has hit a nerve. That explains their wild rants and screams. Whether they like it or not, the days of the Israeli apartheid are numbered.
  25. @Sam Shama
    "Imagine her chagrin when she looked under the bed and found Netanyahu in a threesome with Abbas and Nelson Mandela!"

    The repartee falls flat, I am afraid. You do not possess the rapier wit, despite all the pretense.

    Your project to destroy Israel will similarly fall flat. The world will not accept it. Speak to me about this in a year, and annually thereafter.

    I’m not looking for a job as a stand-up comic and I have no pretensions whatsoever to being able to influence the course of events. More’s the pity, for if I could, I would counsel Israelis/zionists to change their behavior (how I hate that phrase) before it is too late. I think a different way of dealing with “the Jewish problem” should and must be undertaken by the people of the United States, but zionists are making that less and less likely to occur. Again, more’s the pity.

    But the Haaretz journalist — the name might be Jewish, I don’t know for sure, I don’t count Jews y’know, that would be auntiesemitic (yuk yuk)– pointed to an interesting if long-term source of anxiety: a leader of anti-Apartheid activism is now judge-and-jury of Israel’s behavior wrt to Palestinian soccer. Boycotting sports was a first step in the unraveling of South African apartheid.
    As Sr. Luke used to say, “Take it to its logical conclusion.”

    I have no “project to destroy Israel.” Israel will destroy itself. My “project” is to protect those who might get caught in the fury that will inevitably ensue as Israel finds itself caught in a trap of its own making.

    How can an entity that boasts of operating “by way of deception” possibly retain the belief that such is a long-term strategy for getting along in the world?

    Mondoweiss posted this video several years ago — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmkmwuDAy90 or http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/beinart-says-israel-must-give-citizenship-to-palestinians-under-occupation The focus was not the Jewish girl from Israel –Dana Karon — who was close to tears as she said, “We were lied to,” but I thought that was a significant statement.

    If the leaders of Israel lie to their own children, what would they not lie about? What does it say about the zionist project that Jews feel compelled to lie about it in order to maintain their children’s buy-in to the project?

    Shortly after the Dana Karon video-comments about being lied to, Jeremy Ben-ami of J Street spoke at a bookstore in Washington, DC. The last question in the Q&A segment was posed by a man who, it turns out, is the teacher of Ben-ami’s children. He asked, “What should we teach our children about Palestine?”
    Ben-ami responded, “We should tell them the truth. If we lie to them and they find out, there will be resentment.”

    No kidding.

    “There will be resentment.”

    Drink lots of water or whatever, Trumpledor. It’s going to take a lot of piss to put out the fires of resentment as more and more people wake up to the extent to which they have been lied to, and exploited, and fleeced, and bled, to support Apartheid State version 2.0.

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    In the dating world it is the camel toe that enters first. Twenty years later she is still there and it is too late to do anything about it! Beware the camel toes!

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  27. @Chris Mallory


    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

     

    “To me, they are like animals, they aren’t human.”


    “Jews always have higher souls than goyim, even if they’re gay.”



    Maybe you should toss a few stones at Tel Aviv while you are at it.

    The publicizing of disgust communicates more than dehumanization.

    It conveys toxicity and danger of contamination.

    It creates a moral obligation to destroy the disgusting people in order to protect the rest of humanity.

    Giraldi’s words pass over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical destruction.

    Every massacre is preceded by propaganda about the disgusting qualities of the people about to be attacked.

    The irony is that Giraldi has fixated on virtually the only “enemy” who would never attack him back. He can implicitly say “Go kill Israel” but Israel would never say “Go kill Giraldi”.

    Giraldi doesn’t preach disgust about Russia, China or Islam, because he knows they wouldn’t take it, and he wouldn’t be able to sleep peacefully at night.

    That’s why he’s a hypocrite and a coward.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus

    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla… -Trumpledor
     
    and to Everyone Else re "dehumanizing" etc.

    First, check with Trumpledor. Any dehumanizing content in that comment?

    Second, take a chill-pill; you're overwrought -- or is it over-rotten?

    Third, since you obviously have too much time on your hands, put some effort into this little research project.

    1. Were Germans subjected to propaganda and dehumanization in the years before Sept. 1939?
    2. Who produced the lion's share of that propaganda? (there's a clue embedded in the question)
    3. What was the intended outcome of the propaganda?
    4. What was the penultimate outcome of the propaganda?

    Some general questions:
    5. If "propaganda" is true, is it offensive?
    6. If propaganda is not true, that is, it is a lie, is it offensive? If the lie leads to death or other violence, does mendacious propaganda become a crime?
    7. Iss speech that advocates or incites to violence sanctioned by any international rules? (hint: U.N. Charter)

    A short bibliography to get you started:

    Lynne Olson, "Those Angry Days."

    Benjamin Ginsberg, "How the Jews Defeated Hitler."

    Jeffrey Herf, "The Jewish Enemy: Nazi Propaganda ...."

    Peter Moreira, "The Jew Who Defeated Hitler: Henry Morgenthau, Jr. ..."

    , @Art
    "The irony is that Giraldi has fixated on virtually the only “enemy” who would never attack him back. " (Israel)

    What are you doing - aren't you and many other hasbaras attacking him on this very thread - please a little honesty - stop the in your face lies - you all work together - you are a world tribal cabal.

    p.s. We all know you are a tribe of dishonest, greedy, blood thirsty Passover types. We all know that death is you game. You will kill with bullets or words – whatever works.

    p.s. We all know that you tribal Jews are on your way to killing more than 2,300 Palestinians this year.
    , @Chris Mallory
    I totally agree. I call upon Israelis to stop their dehumanizing claim that they are better than everyone else. I call upon Israelis to end their claim that they are the "Chosen People" , dehumanizing all other humans.

    You are a hypocrite and a coward.
    , @QB
    JFK
    USS Liberty
    9/11
    And lots more...
  28. According to Mr Milekowski (Netanyahu), the BDS movement is the ‘greatest strategic threat facing Israel’. He said that last week.

    Since the FIFA arrests took place only days before the Palestininian-tabled motion to expel Israel from the World Cup, it is entirely ‘plausible’ as a major motive in the move.

    Note too, the corruption allegations span a period of 20 years. So why should a move from an otherwise ‘disinterested’ party take place now? Why would the FBI not prioritize the endemic corruption in professional American sports bodies? There is enough there to keep them in overtime bonuses for a decade.

    FIFA’s ‘money/deals-for-votes’ has been an open secret for years. It’s no different to the way Big Lobby runs the US government – AIPAC comes most readily to mind. At least FIFA is not providing political pretexts for mass-murder – sorry, ‘humanitarian intervention’/’freedom and democracy’/’right to protect’/’liberation’ , take your pick currently ‘enjoyed’ by the peoples of Libya, Iraq, Yemen, The Ukraine , Syria the former Yugoslavia..

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    @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    “Giraldi” is not an Anglo-Saxon, Protestant name.

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  30. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    “I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla…”

    So what do we say when a low life piece of human trash expresses a desire for someone’s death and then to piss on his grave?

    Jesus said “forgive them father for they know not what they do.” So we have to look at old Joe and see where he is coming from – what evil grips his mind – where does he get his bloody mindset? We know that it exists – just look at Israel – last year it murdered 2,300 Palestinians. As Joe has shown us, the desire for the death of one’s opponents is overwhelming in the tribal Jew.

    So where does this come from? Joe’s whole life, his identity is based around something that never happened – poor old Joe is a Passover baby. He thinks that his mini god sent down black angles of death to liberate his tribe. He thinks and revels in the thought that the first born of all of Egypt was murdered for him. How awfully sick. (Of course this never happened – even more sick.)

    So death to his enemies is poor old Joe’s modes operandi. How weak minded can someone be to not see that killing just gets more killing. All of humanity knows this but the inferior thinking sicko Jews. Will they have the courage to modernize their thinking before it is too late?

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  31. Mr. Giraldi and some others, make a living from seeing Israel’s “evil hand” in just about everything.

    Can you explain this? Where’s the money coming from? Why?

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    Where’s the money coming from?
     
    Probably not much money, but there must be some coming from Unz, and you have to compare it to Giraldi's earning power as a journalist elsewhere, which is close to zero.
  32. @Sam Shama
    "...isn't it an interesting speculation that at least the timing of US prosecutors' latest example (if I am not characterising it unfairly) of Imperial overstretch might be related to the motion to exclude Israel from FIFA? Is it wrong? Is it implausible?"

    it is plausible but highly improbable. Mr. Giraldi and some others, make a living from seeing Israel's "evil hand" in just about everything. If they lost this unique ability, obsolescence would surely follow.

    As it is said about the old spinsters, they look under their beds in fear, or rather in the hope, of finding a man!

    “As it is said about the old spinsters, they look under their beds in fear, or rather in the hope, of finding a man!”

    Hey Sam – I like your hasbara – you give us some humor along with the Israeli propaganda – not like that bad old Joe Trumpeldor – he is way meaner (but probably more honest) then you are.

    p.s. How did you Passovers manage to murder 2,300 Palestinians last year?

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  33. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    You are a zionist ashkenazi pig, along with all of the current fascist leaders of the occupied Palestinian state..

    People know that the US Media is complicit in the crimes of the Zionists against the semetic populations (both Arab and native Jews) of Palestine.

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  34. @Everyone Else
    Below is the culminating sentence of this piece.

    I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.
     
    The author is trying to provoke the emotion of disgust.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.

    This piece crosses over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical attack.

    The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he'd be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.

    The facts frame him as a hypocrite and a coward.

    The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.

    Israel is a powerful and thriving democracy. Whatever faults Israel has the fact remains that Arabs living within its borders are infinitely better off than Arabs living in any of the basket case Arab countries Giraldi speaks so highly of.

    Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.

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    Giraldi is pathetic, and predictable. What's surprising is that Unz cares so little about his own reputation as to provide this guy with a platform.
    , @Philip Giraldi
    Thanks Sherman for your kind words. For the record I have never denied that the holocaust took place and I have never received a dime from any country or government outside the United States. Which is more than I can say for all of our congressmen and media who have been bought and paid for by Israeli interests. And oh by the way, Israel is no democracy. It is thriving because it has done so on our backs economically speaking which is the usual pattern of robbing the American people to benefit your tribe. If you like Israel so much why don't you go live there and leave the rest of us alone?
    , @SolontoCroesus

    Israel is here to stay.
     
    To fracture a Gertrude Steinism, "there's no here here."

    The public school systems in DC suburbs of Montgomery County, Maryland and Fairfax County, Virginia, two of the wealthiest counties in the USA, offer classes in Mandarin.

    But not Hebrew.

    Classes are offered in Farsi, German, Arabic and of course Spanish.

    But not Hebrew.

    In MoCo Maryland, people clamor to get into the schools for the Mandarin (not Hebrew); waiting lists for apartments & rentals in the schools's areas have sky-high rents and have waiting lists in order to be in the right neighborhood to get to the right school to learn Chinese. Not Hebrew.

    Feel free to enjoy your here there, not here.

    , @Art
    “The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.”

    Oh Sherman – you Little Jews are so funny – you think you can tell lies like the big Jews do – “on the Saudi payroll” – now that is out and out funny.

    Haven’t you heard – Saudi is part of the axis of evil – Israel – Saudi – and the US politicians you coerce.

    No little one - you should stick to the Big Jew lies - they are tried and true – you little lemming Jews should just shut up and follow the tribal singsong.

    p.s. Why have the American people never heard about the 2,300 Palestinians you murdered last year. Have you Jews been coercing the US media too? Have you death loving Passovers been shutting down free speech too?
    , @Chris Mallory

    Israel is here to stay.
     
    Cool, now can it stay without the billions in welfare that the US taxpayers are forced to send to Tel Aviv every year?
    , @geokat62
    "Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay."

    I'm struck by how the defenders of the Zionist project reflexively jump on the few goy who are courageous enough to provide examples that validate Mearsheimer & Walt's thesis, namely that the Zionist project is a liability, not an asset to the U.S.

    Rather than blaming the few goy for pointing this out, shouldn't the blame be directed at Theodore Herzl for coming up with the brilliant idea of confiscating and occupying another people's land to create a Jewish homeland in a sea of Muslims?

    I mean you didn't have to be a grand visionary to predict that this wasn't going to work out well. In retrospect, Argentina or Uganda would have been better alternatives, wouldn't you agree?

    , @Carroll Price
    With all creditable research proving the 6 million holocaust a gigantic hoax, there's no excuse for anyone not becoming a holocaust denier.
  35. @Everyone Else
    Below is the culminating sentence of this piece.

    I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.
     
    The author is trying to provoke the emotion of disgust.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.

    This piece crosses over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical attack.

    The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he'd be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.

    The facts frame him as a hypocrite and a coward.

    “The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he’d be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.”

    The truth of the matter is that Giraldi is showing great courage – we all know that to be true. It is dishonest of you to intimate that there are no repercussions from you Jews.

    Old Passover Joe Thrumpeldor has already expressed a desire for Giraldi’s death. Then he wants to piss on his grave. What a inferior knuckle dragging throwback!

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  36. @Everyone Else
    The publicizing of disgust communicates more than dehumanization.

    It conveys toxicity and danger of contamination.

    It creates a moral obligation to destroy the disgusting people in order to protect the rest of humanity.

    Giraldi's words pass over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical destruction.

    Every massacre is preceded by propaganda about the disgusting qualities of the people about to be attacked.

    The irony is that Giraldi has fixated on virtually the only "enemy" who would never attack him back. He can implicitly say "Go kill Israel" but Israel would never say "Go kill Giraldi".

    Giraldi doesn't preach disgust about Russia, China or Islam, because he knows they wouldn't take it, and he wouldn't be able to sleep peacefully at night.

    That's why he's a hypocrite and a coward.

    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla… -Trumpledor

    and to Everyone Else re “dehumanizing” etc.

    First, check with Trumpledor. Any dehumanizing content in that comment?

    Second, take a chill-pill; you’re overwrought — or is it over-rotten?

    Third, since you obviously have too much time on your hands, put some effort into this little research project.

    1. Were Germans subjected to propaganda and dehumanization in the years before Sept. 1939?
    2. Who produced the lion’s share of that propaganda? (there’s a clue embedded in the question)
    3. What was the intended outcome of the propaganda?
    4. What was the penultimate outcome of the propaganda?

    Some general questions:
    5. If “propaganda” is true, is it offensive?
    6. If propaganda is not true, that is, it is a lie, is it offensive? If the lie leads to death or other violence, does mendacious propaganda become a crime?
    7. Iss speech that advocates or incites to violence sanctioned by any international rules? (hint: U.N. Charter)

    A short bibliography to get you started:

    Lynne Olson, “Those Angry Days.”

    Benjamin Ginsberg, “How the Jews Defeated Hitler.”

    Jeffrey Herf, “The Jewish Enemy: Nazi Propaganda ….”

    Peter Moreira, “The Jew Who Defeated Hitler: Henry Morgenthau, Jr. …”

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  37. @Sherman
    The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.

    Israel is a powerful and thriving democracy. Whatever faults Israel has the fact remains that Arabs living within its borders are infinitely better off than Arabs living in any of the basket case Arab countries Giraldi speaks so highly of.

    Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.

    Giraldi is pathetic, and predictable. What’s surprising is that Unz cares so little about his own reputation as to provide this guy with a platform.

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  38. @iffen

    Mr. Giraldi and some others, make a living from seeing Israel’s “evil hand” in just about everything.
     
    Can you explain this? Where's the money coming from? Why?

    Where’s the money coming from?

    Probably not much money, but there must be some coming from Unz, and you have to compare it to Giraldi’s earning power as a journalist elsewhere, which is close to zero.

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    Thanks IJ, but I still can't see the set-up. The commenter said "make a living and others". I just don't see how there could be that much money in it. I mean, some people do it for free so how can you make a living at it? He (Gilraldi) has some good points. The US political system is tilted toward money and it is debatable whether Israel qualifies as a democracy. Anyway, his previous article was pretty much a fill-in-the blank with your favorite puppet-master.
    , @WotansSohn
    A jew talking about where does the money come from... This is the height of comedy.
  39. At the risk of returning to the actual substance of Mr. Giraldi’s piece, I’m wondering whether its author was being entirely serious. The article he links to in support of the contention that the likelihood of the Palestinian is “considered quite possible” hardly bears that out.

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    The article he links to in support of the contention that the likelihood of the Palestinian is “considered quite possible” hardly bears that out.
     
    The link in question:

    Will Israel be kicked out of FIFA for abusing Palestinian players? May 28, 2015, by Patrick Strickland

    Dr. Giraldi apparently wrote this before the fix was in.

    The fix is now in:

    According to the Jewish Daily Forward's Breathlessly Breaking News section on May 29, Palestinians have agreed to fellate the donkey, er, camel and rescinded the request that Israel be suspended from FIFA.

    Them Ay-rabs really ought to pay Giraldi better so he can hire an up-dater/fact-checker and trainer in rhetorical krav maga. Sharpen them elbows, Phil.
  40. @Everyone Else
    The publicizing of disgust communicates more than dehumanization.

    It conveys toxicity and danger of contamination.

    It creates a moral obligation to destroy the disgusting people in order to protect the rest of humanity.

    Giraldi's words pass over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical destruction.

    Every massacre is preceded by propaganda about the disgusting qualities of the people about to be attacked.

    The irony is that Giraldi has fixated on virtually the only "enemy" who would never attack him back. He can implicitly say "Go kill Israel" but Israel would never say "Go kill Giraldi".

    Giraldi doesn't preach disgust about Russia, China or Islam, because he knows they wouldn't take it, and he wouldn't be able to sleep peacefully at night.

    That's why he's a hypocrite and a coward.

    “The irony is that Giraldi has fixated on virtually the only “enemy” who would never attack him back. “ (Israel)

    What are you doing – aren’t you and many other hasbaras attacking him on this very thread – please a little honesty – stop the in your face lies – you all work together – you are a world tribal cabal.

    p.s. We all know you are a tribe of dishonest, greedy, blood thirsty Passover types. We all know that death is you game. You will kill with bullets or words – whatever works.

    p.s. We all know that you tribal Jews are on your way to killing more than 2,300 Palestinians this year.

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  41. @Sherman
    The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.

    Israel is a powerful and thriving democracy. Whatever faults Israel has the fact remains that Arabs living within its borders are infinitely better off than Arabs living in any of the basket case Arab countries Giraldi speaks so highly of.

    Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.

    Thanks Sherman for your kind words. For the record I have never denied that the holocaust took place and I have never received a dime from any country or government outside the United States. Which is more than I can say for all of our congressmen and media who have been bought and paid for by Israeli interests. And oh by the way, Israel is no democracy. It is thriving because it has done so on our backs economically speaking which is the usual pattern of robbing the American people to benefit your tribe. If you like Israel so much why don’t you go live there and leave the rest of us alone?

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    Aiiiiie! Run, my Jewish brethren! We had a perfect, diabolical scheme in place to undermine Putin and Qatar, but the brilliant Philip Giraldi was too clever for us once again, and saw through our evil plot!

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    Aiiiiie! Run, my Jewish brethren!
     
    Best leave behind a few muscle-men and a canary-colored gypsy cart to haul away Pere and frères Kagan et uxores.

    Charge by the avoirdupois if you must but do it schnell, s'il vous plaÎt.

  43. @Sherman
    The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.

    Israel is a powerful and thriving democracy. Whatever faults Israel has the fact remains that Arabs living within its borders are infinitely better off than Arabs living in any of the basket case Arab countries Giraldi speaks so highly of.

    Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.

    Israel is here to stay.

    To fracture a Gertrude Steinism, “there’s no here here.”

    The public school systems in DC suburbs of Montgomery County, Maryland and Fairfax County, Virginia, two of the wealthiest counties in the USA, offer classes in Mandarin.

    But not Hebrew.

    Classes are offered in Farsi, German, Arabic and of course Spanish.

    But not Hebrew.

    In MoCo Maryland, people clamor to get into the schools for the Mandarin (not Hebrew); waiting lists for apartments & rentals in the schools’s areas have sky-high rents and have waiting lists in order to be in the right neighborhood to get to the right school to learn Chinese. Not Hebrew.

    Feel free to enjoy your here there, not here.

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  44. @FirkinRidiculous
    At the risk of returning to the actual substance of Mr. Giraldi's piece, I'm wondering whether its author was being entirely serious. The article he links to in support of the contention that the likelihood of the Palestinian is "considered quite possible" hardly bears that out.

    The article he links to in support of the contention that the likelihood of the Palestinian is “considered quite possible” hardly bears that out.

    The link in question:

    Will Israel be kicked out of FIFA for abusing Palestinian players? May 28, 2015, by Patrick Strickland

    Dr. Giraldi apparently wrote this before the fix was in.

    The fix is now in:

    According to the Jewish Daily Forward’s Breathlessly Breaking News section on May 29, Palestinians have agreed to fellate the donkey, er, camel and rescinded the request that Israel be suspended from FIFA.

    Them Ay-rabs really ought to pay Giraldi better so he can hire an up-dater/fact-checker and trainer in rhetorical krav maga. Sharpen them elbows, Phil.

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  45. @Anonymous
    Aiiiiie! Run, my Jewish brethren! We had a perfect, diabolical scheme in place to undermine Putin and Qatar, but the brilliant Philip Giraldi was too clever for us once again, and saw through our evil plot!

    Aiiiiie! Run, my Jewish brethren!

    Best leave behind a few muscle-men and a canary-colored gypsy cart to haul away Pere and frères Kagan et uxores.

    Charge by the avoirdupois if you must but do it schnell, s’il vous plaÎt.

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  46. I find the debate on Philip Giraldi’s article quite interesting, pitting as it does the generally calm and well-reasoned pros against the generally foaming-at-the-mouth antis. One comment by an anti caught my eye. The reader wrote, “Unz cares so little about his own reputation as to provide this guy with a platform.” Suspicious by nature, I think I detect in the statement the threat of attacks on Giraldi by the usual crowd that holds the Megaphone. But beyond that, a threat to Ron Unz as well. But why should fair-minded people hold it against Unz that his Review publishes the heretical views of a courageous and well-informed writer like Giraldi, or of Steve Sailer for that matter? On the contrary: that policy is the great virtue of this website, and the reason I, and I believe more and more people, visit it every day.

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  47. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    ‘Hava Nagila’/ ‘Havah Nagillah’ is spelled wrong.

    This guy is a troll.

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  48. @WotansSohn
    Ich kann kaum warten...oops... I can't wait until the political and demographic shift mainly brought about by Jewish intellectuals consumes them before it drags us down. I'll be standing on your graves singing a much different song (wahrscheinlich auf Deutsch). What was that Robert Allen Zimmerman song's name? The times are a changin. Everyday the demographic that would support that Zionist state in the west is declining. Maybe in your hate filled brain you fail to notice that is those very same WASPS, upon whose grave you can't wait to pee, who are the only supporters of zionism. I, personally, haven't met many zionist Mexicans, Arabs, Chinese or Indians. Come to think of it, I haven't met many zionist feminist, transgendered, homosexuals, etc. infinitum ad nauseam. Of course, I guess you guys still have the Sampson option, right? Yuk it up while you still can.

    Right back at you, Mr. Trumpeldor. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

    Mr. Smiddy, that was a brilliant piece of satire.

    The idea that Mexicans are not supporters of Israel is wrong. Latin American evangelicals totally accept Israel’s legitimacy. They see its existence as a natural historical continuity with the bible. Second to the US, I’ve heard more Mexicans express an interest in traveling to Israel than to any other country. I’m talking about rural, uneducated types like a lot of those who come here.

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    ...and as we know Dave hates, HATES rural uneducated types.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    "The idea that Mexicans are not supporters of Israel is wrong. Latin American evangelicals totally accept Israel’s legitimacy..."

    Mexicans and Latin Americans are overwhelmingly Catholic, and if they were even allowed in Israel, they would be there as Christians. Good grief!
    , @WotansSohn
    Damn, really? No wonder the hicks in the south are so accepting. Ahh, to be a fly in the Israeli airport.

    Did they miss the episode where Jesus was in the temple chasing out the money changers? Have they not read Luther?
    "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
  49. @International Jew

    Where’s the money coming from?
     
    Probably not much money, but there must be some coming from Unz, and you have to compare it to Giraldi's earning power as a journalist elsewhere, which is close to zero.

    Thanks IJ, but I still can’t see the set-up. The commenter said “make a living and others”. I just don’t see how there could be that much money in it. I mean, some people do it for free so how can you make a living at it? He (Gilraldi) has some good points. The US political system is tilted toward money and it is debatable whether Israel qualifies as a democracy. Anyway, his previous article was pretty much a fill-in-the blank with your favorite puppet-master.

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  50. @Sherman
    The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.

    Israel is a powerful and thriving democracy. Whatever faults Israel has the fact remains that Arabs living within its borders are infinitely better off than Arabs living in any of the basket case Arab countries Giraldi speaks so highly of.

    Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.

    “The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.”

    Oh Sherman – you Little Jews are so funny – you think you can tell lies like the big Jews do – “on the Saudi payroll” – now that is out and out funny.

    Haven’t you heard – Saudi is part of the axis of evil – Israel – Saudi – and the US politicians you coerce.

    No little one – you should stick to the Big Jew lies – they are tried and true – you little lemming Jews should just shut up and follow the tribal singsong.

    p.s. Why have the American people never heard about the 2,300 Palestinians you murdered last year. Have you Jews been coercing the US media too? Have you death loving Passovers been shutting down free speech too?

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  51. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    While FIFA is corrupt to the hilt and so is (was) this bastard Blatter, and, I also strongly feel for US losing a deserved World Cup 2022 to this sh.thole of Qatar, Phil Giraldi, actually, does have the point in his piece.

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    Finally, some common sense... I felt that we got jewed, too, but Qatar and Saudi Arabia help the USA against the Shiites which helps Israel against Iran. If we were serious we would get rid of our military base in Qatar.
  52. @Sam Shama
    "Maybe you should toss a few stones at Tel Aviv while you are at it."

    And you should practice your swing at Teheran/Khamenei/Ahmedinejad habitually and casually calling for the death and destruction of America and Israel

    Halevai.

    I don’t represent Iran. But I do recognize that the repeated “Death to Iran” posts by Israeli trolls and fake conservatives aren’t that much different than the “Death to America” chants in Iran.

    Honestly, Israel and it’s defense are no business or responsibility of the US government. It is well past time to end the billions in welfare we ship to Tel Aviv every year.

    The biggest instigator of hate in the world today is the terrorist nation of Israel.

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  53. @Sherman
    The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.

    Israel is a powerful and thriving democracy. Whatever faults Israel has the fact remains that Arabs living within its borders are infinitely better off than Arabs living in any of the basket case Arab countries Giraldi speaks so highly of.

    Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.

    Israel is here to stay.

    Cool, now can it stay without the billions in welfare that the US taxpayers are forced to send to Tel Aviv every year?

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  54. @Everyone Else
    The publicizing of disgust communicates more than dehumanization.

    It conveys toxicity and danger of contamination.

    It creates a moral obligation to destroy the disgusting people in order to protect the rest of humanity.

    Giraldi's words pass over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical destruction.

    Every massacre is preceded by propaganda about the disgusting qualities of the people about to be attacked.

    The irony is that Giraldi has fixated on virtually the only "enemy" who would never attack him back. He can implicitly say "Go kill Israel" but Israel would never say "Go kill Giraldi".

    Giraldi doesn't preach disgust about Russia, China or Islam, because he knows they wouldn't take it, and he wouldn't be able to sleep peacefully at night.

    That's why he's a hypocrite and a coward.

    I totally agree. I call upon Israelis to stop their dehumanizing claim that they are better than everyone else. I call upon Israelis to end their claim that they are the “Chosen People” , dehumanizing all other humans.

    You are a hypocrite and a coward.

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  55. @taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla

    This is a real “cris du coeur”. This (and shit) is what the Jews always wanted and did in secret , for “fear of persecution”. It means that they don’t fear any persecution anymore. The camel had indeed occupied the room. Next, you’ll have to vacate it.

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  56. @Sherman
    The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.

    Israel is a powerful and thriving democracy. Whatever faults Israel has the fact remains that Arabs living within its borders are infinitely better off than Arabs living in any of the basket case Arab countries Giraldi speaks so highly of.

    Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.

    “Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.”

    I’m struck by how the defenders of the Zionist project reflexively jump on the few goy who are courageous enough to provide examples that validate Mearsheimer & Walt’s thesis, namely that the Zionist project is a liability, not an asset to the U.S.

    Rather than blaming the few goy for pointing this out, shouldn’t the blame be directed at Theodore Herzl for coming up with the brilliant idea of confiscating and occupying another people’s land to create a Jewish homeland in a sea of Muslims?

    I mean you didn’t have to be a grand visionary to predict that this wasn’t going to work out well. In retrospect, Argentina or Uganda would have been better alternatives, wouldn’t you agree?

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    @David
    The idea that Mexicans are not supporters of Israel is wrong. Latin American evangelicals totally accept Israel's legitimacy. They see its existence as a natural historical continuity with the bible. Second to the US, I've heard more Mexicans express an interest in traveling to Israel than to any other country. I'm talking about rural, uneducated types like a lot of those who come here.

    …and as we know Dave hates, HATES rural uneducated types.

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  58. “Israel was created in 1948….” well, that might have satisfied the zealots, but nooooooooo.

    Israel conquered Palestine in 1948, or a large part of it, and went on to conquer the rest of it in 1967. That is the historical reality.

    I don’t bother too much with this stuff any more, but, I do recommend Benny Morris’s book on Israeli history…about ten years ago, forget the title. One of its features is that it deals with military history, which I never read about anywhere else, that is, the coup, the expulsion of @ 700k Palestinians, the massacres at Der Yassin, and elsewhere, and a little discussion of the 500 or so Palestinian villages razed by the Jews, or just taken over. I have known a few Palestinians around Palo Alto who still carried their old house keys to houses snatched by the zealots. I think Edward Said’s family house is still standing with Jews inside…he did a video with him visiting it.

    I don’t have a problem with zionism I just have a problem with stealing and murdering other people and their land. to put it as simply and unemotionally as I can, fuck the jews.

    Morris was attacked by the zealots for his book. As I recall , he responded with the simple explanation that zionism needed to do this dirty deed to the Palestinians in order to found the Jewish State and that lying about it was worse than the deed itself, something like that.

    So, I think god for Israel cuz it is going to bring down the Jewish Power. Thank You Yahweh and all you guys with your funny hats, ugly women, and hateful screaming and yelling. Also, how come Yahweh made you so ugly?

    Joe Webb

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    I don’t have a problem with zionism I just have a problem with stealing and murdering other people and their land. to put it as simply and unemotionally as I can, fuck the jews.
     
    So what are you doing in California? Jews are more indigenous to Israel than you are to California. Practice what you preach, you hypocrite.
  59. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    “I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla…”

    It may be a tad bit early for celebrating. Jews are only a tiny percentage of the U.S. population, and a much smaller percentage of the world’s population. Who on earth is going to trust or support Jews after everyone has seen what Jews have done to the U.S., the West and their neighbors in the ME? You people depend on others trusting you. What now? WASPs and European whites may be in a bind, but do you really believe that Jews will waltz away untouched? Everyone with any sense understands that the situation with Jews probably isn’t going to end well for anyone. Jews are just more vulnerable in the end.

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  60. WOW Mr Giraldi,

    It looks as if the “CAMEL ” you spoke of “euphemistically” has most emphatically entered the “TENT ” of your Articles’ ” COMMENTS” section .

    You must have struck a NERVE somewhere.!..

    .Perhaps it is alerting the American People to the …
    PEACE DERAILING ATTACK ON LEBANON scheduled for THIS SUMMER…
    .that has elicited this …veritable….
    .STAMPEDE OF” PACHYDERMUS DEFAMATUS”….
    hammering away at the TENT POLES of YOUR ARGUMENT,

    I suppose any “well wrought” argument that just might STYMIE another WAR in the MIDDLE EAST must be “NOSED OUT OF THE TENT OF CIRCUMSPECTION AND DUE DILIGENCE” !

    If, by some miracle, the world has PEACE not WAR this summer……….You are, without a doubt, the Man to BLAME!!!

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  61. The only question these congressional camel
    kafirs ever manage to ask: “Will that be one hump, or two?”

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  62. A lot of the football organisation insiders in Western countries hated Sepp Blatter and the prospect of him getting another term probably made some of them supply new information in the last few weeks that gave US prosecutors what they needed for arraignments. Moreover the media blitz over Blatter-supportering delegates’ corruption, which has been going on a long time in the UK , made US prosecutors decide this was the right time. Those were the major factors in the timing I think.

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    There's little doubt that Sepp Blatter and FIFA accept bribes, but so does virtually every other major sports organization. I suspect that the real reason behind why FIFA has incurred the righteous wrath of Israel, is because it is apparently one of the few international sports organizations not being run by the Jewish mafia.
  63. Many times I get a twinge of feeling that I am too hard on Israel – feeling too much outrage at their nasty, racist treatment of the Palestinians, feeling too much outrage as the Jews bamboozle the dim-witted Christian “evangelicals” into believing the Jewish crap doesn’t stink and the greedy, bribe-seeking American Congress members – feeling too much cynicism as the Jewish dominated media shamelessly advances the criminal interests of this mooching, nuclear-armed, tribal boil on the Worlds buttocks. But then I read the hateful, evil comments of these tribal Zionists, and I conclude that Zionism is indeed a form of genocide and must be defeated. And I say this as an ethnic Jew myself.

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  64. Isn’t the cheese eater the dual nationalist Glazer?Tribal ties indeed.Is he related to Malcolm Glazer,who owns MAN U or some other British soccer team?

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  65. More wisdom from the camel:

    *Occupied land is disputed land
    *Illegal settlements are disputed settlements
    *Kidnapping is extraordinary rendition
    *Torture is enhanced interrogation

    Thank you Mr. G. Orwell.

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  66. Mr Giraldi, , , etc.

    I feel compelled to write this entry, do so expeditiously in the interest of time better spent, and hopefully put to rest one aspect of the caustic back and forth we seem to have been engaged in here. It is something I am quite sure I know more than all of you (given such poor display of the essentials in preceding comments): economics .

    1. The U.S. has indeed during the period 1985-2004, provided $3b in grants per year to Israel. At least 74% (and in realised numbers much more than that) mandatorily spent on U.S. goods and services. The rest (26% or less) can be spent elsewhere. It is important to realise in this context, such spending (especially in the presence of a ZIRP (Zero Interest rate Policy) in the U.S., acts as a boost to the final output of the United States. Put differently, every $1 spent results in approximately $1.5 in measured GDP. Today, most of this grant is spent on military goods, to maintain a Qualitative Military Edge, in systems such as the high altitude Arrow I/II/III, Iron Dome, F-35 joint strike capability, x-Band Radar and U.S. Emergency stockpile in the Middle East, an arena in which the the U.S. has significant interests to defend. Like it or not Realpotitic abhors a vacuum (draw you own inferences)

    2. Israel also benefits from $8b in Loan Guarantees. Such guarantees are subsidised to the tune of 3-4% by the U.S. government or the Israeli government. These loans are primarily commercial use loans. Note that there has not been a single default in U.S. subsidised loans – a performance than far exceeds what the U.S. achieves domestically.

    3. The $3b grant provided to a ~$275 b economy by a $17.6 tr economy amounts to roughly 1.09% and 0.017% of Israel’s and U.S.’s yearly incomes respectively. In other words numbers not significant in size, but wholly different viewed through the lens of a long-term strategy.

    http://www.heritage.org/index/country/israel

    Your conclusion that Israel’s prosperity is the result of U.S. largesse is therefore incorrect and does not even rise to the level of post hoc ergo propter hoc .

    4. Many private investors, including the legendary Warren Buffet, has said that “Israel has a disproportionate amount of brains and innovation”

    http://www.jpost.com/Business/Business-News/Buffett-Israel-has-a-disproportionate-amount-of-brains

    and invested heavily in Israeli metalworking, technology and bio-technology companies. These are not acts of charity.

    5. A point that I really loathe to mention- I am not a “Hasbara troll”, whatever that means and simply wish to add my voice to balance the chorus that calls for the destruction of Israel. (Someone also mentioned elsewhere in this Review, that we apparently get paid for this. In my case I assure you, they could not afford it!)

    6. lastly @Giraldi in your particular case, I really do have a bone to pick. You seem to be saying quite clearly that the U.S. Federal Reserve has been engaged in debasing the the U.S. economy through monetary policy. That is the position I recall Ron Paul screaming incessantly about. Again, for those who do understand economics, that claim does not rise above the level of Alchemy and the Theory of the Phlogiston.

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    Wow Sam - I've reviewed my article very carefully and can find NO reference to the Federal Reserve in it. I do not believe that I have ever written or spoken about the Federal Reserve as I know little or nothing about economics.
    , @OilcanFloyd
    Trolls are propagandists now? Is that the proper term? The U.S. doesn't benefit, but Israel does, and it is impossible to default on loans when there is no expectation of paying them back from either side. The U.S. would do just fine if the "arrangement" ended. I have a little hunch that Israel wouldn't fare so well.
    , @chris
    to all the money, tax deferrals and god knows whatever else, given to our indispensable "ally" you have to add the other billions we're pumping into its neighbors in order to provide it with a safe neighborhood. If not for their neighbor, Jordan and Egypt would see nothing of the largesse we are showering on them! (and please don't respond by adding this to our benefits list)
    , @Art
    “that the U.S. Federal Reserve has been engaged in debasing the U.S. economy through monetary policy”

    Sorry Sam – but you Jews are on the bad side of history on the Fed – you Passovers manage to screw up everything you touch?

    A Jew has been in charge of the Fed for 30 straight years. In that time, Jew wealth has skyrocket and the average American’s wealth has gone in the opposite direction.

    Bubbles Greenspan helped finance the junk bond king, the savings and loan criminal enterprise, the dot.com bubble, and the criminal housing bubble. Now it is working on a stock market bubble. Surprise surprise, with each bubble you Jews got richer.

    Bubbles turned America from a creditor nation into a debtor nation. In 1986 we had companies with fiduciary responsibilities, people had steady lifetime jobs, pensions, and good health care – not NOW!

    Thanks to Bubbles we now we have a nation of very very rich Jew oligarchs who politically and economically control our nation for the benefit world Jewry.
  67. @David
    The idea that Mexicans are not supporters of Israel is wrong. Latin American evangelicals totally accept Israel's legitimacy. They see its existence as a natural historical continuity with the bible. Second to the US, I've heard more Mexicans express an interest in traveling to Israel than to any other country. I'm talking about rural, uneducated types like a lot of those who come here.

    “The idea that Mexicans are not supporters of Israel is wrong. Latin American evangelicals totally accept Israel’s legitimacy…”

    Mexicans and Latin Americans are overwhelmingly Catholic, and if they were even allowed in Israel, they would be there as Christians. Good grief!

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  68. @Sam Shama
    Mr Giraldi, @solontoCroesus, @Chris Mallory, @Art etc.

    I feel compelled to write this entry, do so expeditiously in the interest of time better spent, and hopefully put to rest one aspect of the caustic back and forth we seem to have been engaged in here. It is something I am quite sure I know more than all of you (given such poor display of the essentials in preceding comments): economics .

    1. The U.S. has indeed during the period 1985-2004, provided $3b in grants per year to Israel. At least 74% (and in realised numbers much more than that) mandatorily spent on U.S. goods and services. The rest (26% or less) can be spent elsewhere. It is important to realise in this context, such spending (especially in the presence of a ZIRP (Zero Interest rate Policy) in the U.S., acts as a boost to the final output of the United States. Put differently, every $1 spent results in approximately $1.5 in measured GDP. Today, most of this grant is spent on military goods, to maintain a Qualitative Military Edge, in systems such as the high altitude Arrow I/II/III, Iron Dome, F-35 joint strike capability, x-Band Radar and U.S. Emergency stockpile in the Middle East, an arena in which the the U.S. has significant interests to defend. Like it or not Realpotitic abhors a vacuum (draw you own inferences)

    2. Israel also benefits from $8b in Loan Guarantees. Such guarantees are subsidised to the tune of 3-4% by the U.S. government or the Israeli government. These loans are primarily commercial use loans. Note that there has not been a single default in U.S. subsidised loans - a performance than far exceeds what the U.S. achieves domestically.

    3. The $3b grant provided to a ~$275 b economy by a $17.6 tr economy amounts to roughly 1.09% and 0.017% of Israel's and U.S.'s yearly incomes respectively. In other words numbers not significant in size, but wholly different viewed through the lens of a long-term strategy.
    http://www.heritage.org/index/country/israel
    Your conclusion that Israel's prosperity is the result of U.S. largesse is therefore incorrect and does not even rise to the level of post hoc ergo propter hoc .


    4. Many private investors, including the legendary Warren Buffet, has said that "Israel has a disproportionate amount of brains and innovation"

    http://www.jpost.com/Business/Business-News/Buffett-Israel-has-a-disproportionate-amount-of-brains

    and invested heavily in Israeli metalworking, technology and bio-technology companies. These are not acts of charity.

    5. A point that I really loathe to mention- I am not a "Hasbara troll", whatever that means and simply wish to add my voice to balance the chorus that calls for the destruction of Israel. (Someone also mentioned elsewhere in this Review, that we apparently get paid for this. In my case I assure you, they could not afford it!)

    6. lastly @Giraldi in your particular case, I really do have a bone to pick. You seem to be saying quite clearly that the U.S. Federal Reserve has been engaged in debasing the the U.S. economy through monetary policy. That is the position I recall Ron Paul screaming incessantly about. Again, for those who do understand economics, that claim does not rise above the level of Alchemy and the Theory of the Phlogiston.

    Wow Sam – I’ve reviewed my article very carefully and can find NO reference to the Federal Reserve in it. I do not believe that I have ever written or spoken about the Federal Reserve as I know little or nothing about economics.

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    I hereby issue a apology to you (at least a provisional one :-) ). Indeed in this article you did not speak of the Federal Reserve. I am certain I saw it is another post in the Review which ranted on the Fed, with the usual "debasement" claim mixed with a slanted reference to "The Jews" in the Institution.

    I then remembered Ron Paul saying as much, and thus conflated the two together.

    However there is this one,

    "Real people, including thousands of Americans, die and there is no way to avoid a government like ours having to declare insolvency when the credit card comes due, as it eventually will."

    in: http://www.unz.com/article/nazis-on-the-backlot/

    which is the US-bankruptcy-is-inevitable trope typically accompanying Federal Reserve bashing.

    Again apologies.

  69. @Sam Shama
    Mr Giraldi, @solontoCroesus, @Chris Mallory, @Art etc.

    I feel compelled to write this entry, do so expeditiously in the interest of time better spent, and hopefully put to rest one aspect of the caustic back and forth we seem to have been engaged in here. It is something I am quite sure I know more than all of you (given such poor display of the essentials in preceding comments): economics .

    1. The U.S. has indeed during the period 1985-2004, provided $3b in grants per year to Israel. At least 74% (and in realised numbers much more than that) mandatorily spent on U.S. goods and services. The rest (26% or less) can be spent elsewhere. It is important to realise in this context, such spending (especially in the presence of a ZIRP (Zero Interest rate Policy) in the U.S., acts as a boost to the final output of the United States. Put differently, every $1 spent results in approximately $1.5 in measured GDP. Today, most of this grant is spent on military goods, to maintain a Qualitative Military Edge, in systems such as the high altitude Arrow I/II/III, Iron Dome, F-35 joint strike capability, x-Band Radar and U.S. Emergency stockpile in the Middle East, an arena in which the the U.S. has significant interests to defend. Like it or not Realpotitic abhors a vacuum (draw you own inferences)

    2. Israel also benefits from $8b in Loan Guarantees. Such guarantees are subsidised to the tune of 3-4% by the U.S. government or the Israeli government. These loans are primarily commercial use loans. Note that there has not been a single default in U.S. subsidised loans - a performance than far exceeds what the U.S. achieves domestically.

    3. The $3b grant provided to a ~$275 b economy by a $17.6 tr economy amounts to roughly 1.09% and 0.017% of Israel's and U.S.'s yearly incomes respectively. In other words numbers not significant in size, but wholly different viewed through the lens of a long-term strategy.
    http://www.heritage.org/index/country/israel
    Your conclusion that Israel's prosperity is the result of U.S. largesse is therefore incorrect and does not even rise to the level of post hoc ergo propter hoc .


    4. Many private investors, including the legendary Warren Buffet, has said that "Israel has a disproportionate amount of brains and innovation"

    http://www.jpost.com/Business/Business-News/Buffett-Israel-has-a-disproportionate-amount-of-brains

    and invested heavily in Israeli metalworking, technology and bio-technology companies. These are not acts of charity.

    5. A point that I really loathe to mention- I am not a "Hasbara troll", whatever that means and simply wish to add my voice to balance the chorus that calls for the destruction of Israel. (Someone also mentioned elsewhere in this Review, that we apparently get paid for this. In my case I assure you, they could not afford it!)

    6. lastly @Giraldi in your particular case, I really do have a bone to pick. You seem to be saying quite clearly that the U.S. Federal Reserve has been engaged in debasing the the U.S. economy through monetary policy. That is the position I recall Ron Paul screaming incessantly about. Again, for those who do understand economics, that claim does not rise above the level of Alchemy and the Theory of the Phlogiston.

    Trolls are propagandists now? Is that the proper term? The U.S. doesn’t benefit, but Israel does, and it is impossible to default on loans when there is no expectation of paying them back from either side. The U.S. would do just fine if the “arrangement” ended. I have a little hunch that Israel wouldn’t fare so well.

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  70. @Truth
    [Unfortunately, there's already a long-time commenter with the handle "Truth" so you should pick a different one to avoid confusion. I'll assume your use of that handle is an honest mistake rather than an attempt at deception, which would not be tolerated.]

    Dear Mr. Giraldi,

    While playing tennis this weekend, the ball took a bad bounce on a crucial point and I missed a backhand passing shot. Was Israel behind that? I don't think my opponent was Jewish, but it's possible; maybe he had a Jewish grandparent. Very suspicious. Could you please look into that?

    “Could you please look into that?”

    They are on the case.

    Pink Panther Strikes Again tune “Ta Ran Ta Ra, Ta Ra,…….” beckons the Blameless and Pure as the Driven Snow.

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  71. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    “I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla…’

    It was such a mistake for us to let you people in to our country.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus

    It was such a mistake for us to let you people in to our country.

     


    Jews Downplay Ties to Immigration Advocate Roy Naim After Child Porn Arrest

    Naim, who is partially deaf, moved to the United States from Israel with his family when he was 4. The Naims overstayed their visas and settled in the country. He remains an undocumented immigrant. Naim was the subject of a Forward profile earlier this year when he emerged as a high-profile advocate for undocumented immigrants. The profile described Naim as “the Jewish face of the immigration reform struggle.

    . . .
    According to a criminal complaint filed in United States District Court in Brooklyn on Sept. 18, investigators with an arm of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security pursuing child exploitation cases found Naim by tracing an email address that had received child pornography from a person in Louisiana. That email address, brooklynfun123@gmail.com , was traced to Naim’s home. Officers from DHS and the New York Police Department searched Naim’s house September 16, according to the complaint.”
     


    The Jewish Face of the Immigration Reform Struggle

    Naim, 29, an Israeli-born Orthodox Jew, has become the Jewish face of activism for immigration reform.
    . . .
    The New York Legal Assistance Group, an organization that offers free legal services, has received 342 applications on behalf of Jewish undocumented immigrants. Many others apply through private attorneys.

    “We know there are thousands of undocumented Jews presently residing in New York City,” said Yisroel Schulman, who founded NYLAG in 1990, adding that it works with a network of 150 Jewish, community-based organizations.

    Clear data on the number of Jewish illegal immigrants in the United States is not available because most are doing what Naim did for 25 years: living in the shadows of society.

    Naim’s “illegal” life began in 1988, when he was 4 years old. His family entered the United States on tourist visas and decided to stay.
     

  72. Last year my septic tank had to be pumped. It was the result of an Israeli plot involving use of those flushable wet wipes. And we now know that they really do not dissolve in the tank as we were assured by Jewish lawyers in Jewish advertising agencies — all consulting with Tel Aviv to block American Gentile toilets.

    And then just this morning, the toaster popped out the slices a somewhat darker than usual.

    Israel again. Those nefarious Zionists control everything!

    Seriously, Mr. Giraldi, you must start the process of finding yourself a new gig. This one has been ridiculous for a long time, and now it’s well beyond ridiculous.

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

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    Last year my septic tank had to be pumped.
     
    Signs of progress. Congratulations.
    From squats outdoors to indoor plumbing to nuclear ambiguity in less than 100 years.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBDF04fQKtQ

    Since his early observations of the Eastern European Jews in 1903, Ruppin had paid special attention to the hygienic conditions of the different communities and had been disturbed by their low level (Bein 1968, I, 225). Ruppin related the dirt and filth to the religious sphere, especially to the Hasidic mentality of the Shtetel. In his first period in Palestine, he was amazed at the sub-standard hygienic practices of the Second Aliya immigrants, and was the first to initiate sanitary regulations; building the first toilets in Kinneret (until then the settlers had answered the call of nature out of doors) and introducing a municipal law making it obligatory for every house in Tel Aviv to have a toilet (Bein 1968, II, 56).
    . . .
    Ruppin knew that the sanitary conditions and hygienic attitudes and practices of the East European Jews in the Pale of Settlement were no better than those of the Oriental and Sephardic Jews
    . . .
    In 1927, after visiting the Jewish community of Berdichev, he described in his diary the horrible sanitary conditions of the Shtetl: “of sewerage there is nothing to talk about [...] a terrible stink came up from the houses."
     
    , @OilcanFloyd
    Sorry, but the emperor isn't just naked, he's also standing in traffic masturbating and screaming profanities and gibberish at strangers. The mask is off, and the Jewish establishment is what it is. There's no putting the kosher toothpaste back in the tube.
  73. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    "I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla…'

    It was such a mistake for us to let you people in to our country.

    It was such a mistake for us to let you people in to our country.

    Jews Downplay Ties to Immigration Advocate Roy Naim After Child Porn Arrest

    Naim, who is partially deaf, moved to the United States from Israel with his family when he was 4. The Naims overstayed their visas and settled in the country. He remains an undocumented immigrant. Naim was the subject of a Forward profile earlier this year when he emerged as a high-profile advocate for undocumented immigrants. The profile described Naim as “the Jewish face of the immigration reform struggle.

    . . .
    According to a criminal complaint filed in United States District Court in Brooklyn on Sept. 18, investigators with an arm of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security pursuing child exploitation cases found Naim by tracing an email address that had received child pornography from a person in Louisiana. That email address, brooklynfun123@gmail.com , was traced to Naim’s home. Officers from DHS and the New York Police Department searched Naim’s house September 16, according to the complaint.”

    The Jewish Face of the Immigration Reform Struggle

    Naim, 29, an Israeli-born Orthodox Jew, has become the Jewish face of activism for immigration reform.
    . . .
    The New York Legal Assistance Group, an organization that offers free legal services, has received 342 applications on behalf of Jewish undocumented immigrants. Many others apply through private attorneys.

    “We know there are thousands of undocumented Jews presently residing in New York City,” said Yisroel Schulman, who founded NYLAG in 1990, adding that it works with a network of 150 Jewish, community-based organizations.

    Clear data on the number of Jewish illegal immigrants in the United States is not available because most are doing what Naim did for 25 years: living in the shadows of society.

    Naim’s “illegal” life began in 1988, when he was 4 years old. His family entered the United States on tourist visas and decided to stay.

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  74. @Philip Giraldi
    Wow Sam - I've reviewed my article very carefully and can find NO reference to the Federal Reserve in it. I do not believe that I have ever written or spoken about the Federal Reserve as I know little or nothing about economics.

    I hereby issue a apology to you (at least a provisional one :-) ). Indeed in this article you did not speak of the Federal Reserve. I am certain I saw it is another post in the Review which ranted on the Fed, with the usual “debasement” claim mixed with a slanted reference to “The Jews” in the Institution.

    I then remembered Ron Paul saying as much, and thus conflated the two together.

    However there is this one,

    “Real people, including thousands of Americans, die and there is no way to avoid a government like ours having to declare insolvency when the credit card comes due, as it eventually will.”

    in: http://www.unz.com/article/nazis-on-the-backlot/

    which is the US-bankruptcy-is-inevitable trope typically accompanying Federal Reserve bashing.

    Again apologies.

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    • Replies: @alexander
    Dear Mr Shama,
    and Mr Giraldi,


    It may be that Mr Giraldi is not that familiar with the "economics" of our current "reality",
    ...But I AM...and I have been studying "economics" for over 35 years !
    Our current predicament has little to do with the existence of the "Federal reserve" and everything to do with the fact that our "government ,under the tutelage of the Neocons" has EXCEEDED its income by close to NINE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS per year,on average,every year, over the past FIFTEEN YEARS ! This annualized deficit has MUSHROOMED our National DEBT from 5.6 trillion dollars in 2000 to over 18.25 TRILLION DOLLARS today !
    How do we pay for this OBSCENE OVERSPENDING ?....we borrow money... from future generations of Americans.......... Our grand children and great grand children will have to pay back the debt we have accrued today !
    That Borrowing from our FUTURE is where the FEDERAL RESERVE comes in......that Nine hundred billion has to come from somewhere....so we PRINT IT !
    Yes, the Federal reserve "prints" the money we owe the future to pay off the shortfall that we create today !
    ...And it is this activity that creates what we all call our "National Debt" !

    It is the amount of money we owe ourselves down the line for all the overspending we do today!

    Now the Obama Administration has actually done a pretty good job navigating us OUT of the financial catastrophe of 2009...and he has raised taxes just enough, and cut spending just enough to generate a bit more revenue and bring our overall" OVERSPENDING" down to 500 billion per year.....that is still a lot...but, at least, it is in the right direction....
    Today, the US Government brings in 3.1 trillion per year and spends 3.6 trillion per year!

    It is still way too much"OVERSPENDING" for our nation to remain solvent !

    On this score, Mr Giraldi is 100% correct and unfortunately for all of us, Mr Shama, its not a "TROPE" its a FACT!

    To be in "Survival shape " we either need to be bringing in 3.6 and spending 3.6 ...or ... spending 3.1 trillion and and bringing in 3.1 ! Our government would, in this case, be"balancing the books", but unfortunately due to the HEINOUS NEOCON OVERSPENDING over the last fifteen years, that is still not enough to stave off our nations eventual insolvency.


    To be in "Fair shape" we would want the revenue the government brings in to exceed what it spends by at least what we owe in INTEREST on our national debt..which at the "current rate" is 250 billion dollars a year. so a "fair shape" scenario would be spending 3.6 and bringing in 3.85 OR bringing in 3.1 and spending 2.85 !

    This scenario balances the books, pays the interest on what we OWE... but still leaves the HUMONGOUS 18.5 trillion National debt in a "deferred state of limbo".

    To be in "good shape" we would want the revenue the government brings in to exceed what it spends by enough to" balance the books" ,pay the "interest" , and then have a little more to, in fact, pay down the debt... by even a fraction....

    This scenario IS the road to" solvency" , because every year the national debt is reduced ,so too is the interest we have to pay on it. Balancing the books becomes easier , over time, as less of our governments revenue is swallowed by the debt and the interest we pay on it !

    Now , why is the 13 trillion dollars in NEOCON OVERSPENDING over the last 15 years so HEINOUS ?..... because most of that overspending has gone to fighting wars of aggression and ..because "Wars of Aggression: are EVIL, Mr Shama !Its what Hitler did !
    The American People were "defrauded "into a war of aggression in Iraq,by the Neocons..and defrauded out of the 'trillions" we spent to wage it...To deceive us into doing that is not a "mistake" its a HEINOUS ACT OF TERRORISM !..
    Now I , for one,do not give a HOOT about the "ethnicity" of the DEFRAUDERS...just that they be locked away either in Guantanamo bay or federal prison for doing it !Moreover, EVERY CENT of profit that they made from their DECEPTION needs to be returned to the American People........
    I do not think Mr Giraldi cares very much about their "ethnicity" either, but in deference to the "integrity" of his character, and his thirty five years experience in his "field"...He has seen this pattern of " "aggression" , "fraud " and "deception", OVER TIME,not emanating from MOROCCO , ( for if it was Morocco, he would SAY SO) but emanating from ISRAEL and its apparent neocon acolytes in the "Office of Special Plans" !....and he doesn't like it !
    Nobody does !

    The American People do not like to be defrauded into killing other people that never attacked us...And we do not like to be defrauded out of ANY money let alone trillions of dollars, to do it !

    Are you suggesting, Mr Shama, that we SHOULD like it ?

    I appreciate President Obama's "patronage" in his ascent to the white house, and his apparent need to" tip toe" through the tulips of political temerity, but FRAUD IS FRAUD and these individuals, regardless of their "ethnicity" need to be taken down ! fluffy talk is not enough !
  75. How about just saying that it is not our responsibility to support Israel, and that the corruption and immorality involved in doing so is not worth it? How is that? I didn’t mention the Fed. Or did I overstep by stating that Jews could be corrupt or immoral?

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  76. @Sam Shama
    Mr Giraldi, @solontoCroesus, @Chris Mallory, @Art etc.

    I feel compelled to write this entry, do so expeditiously in the interest of time better spent, and hopefully put to rest one aspect of the caustic back and forth we seem to have been engaged in here. It is something I am quite sure I know more than all of you (given such poor display of the essentials in preceding comments): economics .

    1. The U.S. has indeed during the period 1985-2004, provided $3b in grants per year to Israel. At least 74% (and in realised numbers much more than that) mandatorily spent on U.S. goods and services. The rest (26% or less) can be spent elsewhere. It is important to realise in this context, such spending (especially in the presence of a ZIRP (Zero Interest rate Policy) in the U.S., acts as a boost to the final output of the United States. Put differently, every $1 spent results in approximately $1.5 in measured GDP. Today, most of this grant is spent on military goods, to maintain a Qualitative Military Edge, in systems such as the high altitude Arrow I/II/III, Iron Dome, F-35 joint strike capability, x-Band Radar and U.S. Emergency stockpile in the Middle East, an arena in which the the U.S. has significant interests to defend. Like it or not Realpotitic abhors a vacuum (draw you own inferences)

    2. Israel also benefits from $8b in Loan Guarantees. Such guarantees are subsidised to the tune of 3-4% by the U.S. government or the Israeli government. These loans are primarily commercial use loans. Note that there has not been a single default in U.S. subsidised loans - a performance than far exceeds what the U.S. achieves domestically.

    3. The $3b grant provided to a ~$275 b economy by a $17.6 tr economy amounts to roughly 1.09% and 0.017% of Israel's and U.S.'s yearly incomes respectively. In other words numbers not significant in size, but wholly different viewed through the lens of a long-term strategy.
    http://www.heritage.org/index/country/israel
    Your conclusion that Israel's prosperity is the result of U.S. largesse is therefore incorrect and does not even rise to the level of post hoc ergo propter hoc .


    4. Many private investors, including the legendary Warren Buffet, has said that "Israel has a disproportionate amount of brains and innovation"

    http://www.jpost.com/Business/Business-News/Buffett-Israel-has-a-disproportionate-amount-of-brains

    and invested heavily in Israeli metalworking, technology and bio-technology companies. These are not acts of charity.

    5. A point that I really loathe to mention- I am not a "Hasbara troll", whatever that means and simply wish to add my voice to balance the chorus that calls for the destruction of Israel. (Someone also mentioned elsewhere in this Review, that we apparently get paid for this. In my case I assure you, they could not afford it!)

    6. lastly @Giraldi in your particular case, I really do have a bone to pick. You seem to be saying quite clearly that the U.S. Federal Reserve has been engaged in debasing the the U.S. economy through monetary policy. That is the position I recall Ron Paul screaming incessantly about. Again, for those who do understand economics, that claim does not rise above the level of Alchemy and the Theory of the Phlogiston.

    to all the money, tax deferrals and god knows whatever else, given to our indispensable “ally” you have to add the other billions we’re pumping into its neighbors in order to provide it with a safe neighborhood. If not for their neighbor, Jordan and Egypt would see nothing of the largesse we are showering on them! (and please don’t respond by adding this to our benefits list)

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    ".....to all the money, tax deferrals and god knows whatever else"

    Care to be precise? Apparently G'd really doesn't know. I've checked the Bible, and not a mention of tax deferrals I'm afraid.

  77. @The Grate Deign
    Last year my septic tank had to be pumped. It was the result of an Israeli plot involving use of those flushable wet wipes. And we now know that they really do not dissolve in the tank as we were assured by Jewish lawyers in Jewish advertising agencies -- all consulting with Tel Aviv to block American Gentile toilets.

    And then just this morning, the toaster popped out the slices a somewhat darker than usual.

    Israel again. Those nefarious Zionists control everything!

    Seriously, Mr. Giraldi, you must start the process of finding yourself a new gig. This one has been ridiculous for a long time, and now it's well beyond ridiculous.

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

    Last year my septic tank had to be pumped.

    Signs of progress. Congratulations.
    From squats outdoors to indoor plumbing to nuclear ambiguity in less than 100 years.

    Since his early observations of the Eastern European Jews in 1903, Ruppin had paid special attention to the hygienic conditions of the different communities and had been disturbed by their low level (Bein 1968, I, 225). Ruppin related the dirt and filth to the religious sphere, especially to the Hasidic mentality of the Shtetel. In his first period in Palestine, he was amazed at the sub-standard hygienic practices of the Second Aliya immigrants, and was the first to initiate sanitary regulations; building the first toilets in Kinneret (until then the settlers had answered the call of nature out of doors) and introducing a municipal law making it obligatory for every house in Tel Aviv to have a toilet (Bein 1968, II, 56).
    . . .
    Ruppin knew that the sanitary conditions and hygienic attitudes and practices of the East European Jews in the Pale of Settlement were no better than those of the Oriental and Sephardic Jews
    . . .
    In 1927, after visiting the Jewish community of Berdichev, he described in his diary the horrible sanitary conditions of the Shtetl: “of sewerage there is nothing to talk about [...] a terrible stink came up from the houses.”

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    This is a curious post.

    Your interest and expertise in things scatalogical are only exceeded by your hatred of Jews. Anyone reading your comments -any person un-lobotomised that is - couldn't but dismiss your protestations to not being "auntisemitic (yuk yuk)" as being so much tripe. Or, in your case, (preference noted) scat.

    What is your handle solontoCroesus intended for? that you are the wise Solon advising us Croesuses? (Why don't you use your own bloody name?)

    Observe your own 'shameless' use of the 'Jew' Gertrude Stein's expression, and I offer you my own turn of phrase: There isn't so much "us" in "our" country.

  78. All of which distracts attention from this (as well as the release of the Ukrainian armaments mechanic’s name by RT – a witness who fled the scene into Russia – from the Russian investigation into the downing of MH-17):

    http://7mei.nl/2015/05/30/lev/

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  79. @sam shama

    Please explain how the influence of AIPAC/CFR is not related to US foreign ‘policy’ and major contracts for the MIC or the murderous mayhem unleashed in the MENA since the discovery of those non-existent WMD in Iraq.

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    I'll explain that after you explain why "The Rain in Spain Falls Mainly on the Plain."
  80. @The Grate Deign
    Last year my septic tank had to be pumped. It was the result of an Israeli plot involving use of those flushable wet wipes. And we now know that they really do not dissolve in the tank as we were assured by Jewish lawyers in Jewish advertising agencies -- all consulting with Tel Aviv to block American Gentile toilets.

    And then just this morning, the toaster popped out the slices a somewhat darker than usual.

    Israel again. Those nefarious Zionists control everything!

    Seriously, Mr. Giraldi, you must start the process of finding yourself a new gig. This one has been ridiculous for a long time, and now it's well beyond ridiculous.

    Peace, love, truth,

    The Grate Deign

    Sorry, but the emperor isn’t just naked, he’s also standing in traffic masturbating and screaming profanities and gibberish at strangers. The mask is off, and the Jewish establishment is what it is. There’s no putting the kosher toothpaste back in the tube.

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  81. @SolontoCroesus

    Last year my septic tank had to be pumped.
     
    Signs of progress. Congratulations.
    From squats outdoors to indoor plumbing to nuclear ambiguity in less than 100 years.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBDF04fQKtQ

    Since his early observations of the Eastern European Jews in 1903, Ruppin had paid special attention to the hygienic conditions of the different communities and had been disturbed by their low level (Bein 1968, I, 225). Ruppin related the dirt and filth to the religious sphere, especially to the Hasidic mentality of the Shtetel. In his first period in Palestine, he was amazed at the sub-standard hygienic practices of the Second Aliya immigrants, and was the first to initiate sanitary regulations; building the first toilets in Kinneret (until then the settlers had answered the call of nature out of doors) and introducing a municipal law making it obligatory for every house in Tel Aviv to have a toilet (Bein 1968, II, 56).
    . . .
    Ruppin knew that the sanitary conditions and hygienic attitudes and practices of the East European Jews in the Pale of Settlement were no better than those of the Oriental and Sephardic Jews
    . . .
    In 1927, after visiting the Jewish community of Berdichev, he described in his diary the horrible sanitary conditions of the Shtetl: “of sewerage there is nothing to talk about [...] a terrible stink came up from the houses."
     

    This is a curious post.

    Your interest and expertise in things scatalogical are only exceeded by your hatred of Jews. Anyone reading your comments -any person un-lobotomised that is – couldn’t but dismiss your protestations to not being “auntisemitic (yuk yuk)” as being so much tripe. Or, in your case, (preference noted) scat.

    What is your handle solontoCroesus intended for? that you are the wise Solon advising us Croesuses? (Why don’t you use your own bloody name?)

    Observe your own ‘shameless’ use of the ‘Jew’ Gertrude Stein’s expression, and I offer you my own turn of phrase: There isn’t so much “us” in “our” country.

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    Sham and the Pharaoh,

    1. That someone else should attach to SolontoCroesus the tag "antisemite" is totally irrelevant to what SolontoCroesus thinks, says and does. Absoluteley meaningless. A fart in a windstorm.

    2. Speaking of scatology --- Grate Deign posted a reductio ad absurdum comment that pivoted on a septic system problem. GD expanded on the septic theme by discussing products used while using the toilet.

    SolontoCroesus responded with an extended quote which was written by Etan Bloom in his dissertation for the PhD at Tel Aviv university. The source of the extended quote by Bloom was embedded in the quote. The "scatological" discourse was Bloom's doing, not that of SolontoCroesus.

    3. I am aware that Gertrude Stein was Jewish. She was also passionately anti-zionist -- see her poem/essay, "The Reverie of the Zionist" (1920)

    I know all about the war I have been in France ever since the peace.
    Remember what was said yesterday.
    We can think and we know that we love our country so.
    Can we believe that all Jews are these.
    Let us remember that the little bird of all is not the one that has the singing dell. It sings and it sings and a great many people say it is not pleasant.
    Is it likely that there is real grief.
    Anywhere there are beards and everywhere there are girls and all about there is a wealth of imagery.
    I saw all this to prove that Judaism should be a question of religion.
    Don’t talk about race.
    Race is disgusting if you don’t love your country.

    I don’t want to go to Zion. This is an expression of Shem.

    3. SolontoCroesus IS my own name.
    The aspect of Croesus that animates my identity is not the late king of Lydia's wealth but his failure to interpret the oracle (or history) properly, which resulted in the defeat of Lydia by Persia and Croesus's loss of his kingdom.

  82. @chris
    to all the money, tax deferrals and god knows whatever else, given to our indispensable "ally" you have to add the other billions we're pumping into its neighbors in order to provide it with a safe neighborhood. If not for their neighbor, Jordan and Egypt would see nothing of the largesse we are showering on them! (and please don't respond by adding this to our benefits list)

    “…..to all the money, tax deferrals and god knows whatever else”

    Care to be precise? Apparently G’d really doesn’t know. I’ve checked the Bible, and not a mention of tax deferrals I’m afraid.

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  83. @sure thing
    @sam shama

    Please explain how the influence of AIPAC/CFR is not related to US foreign 'policy' and major contracts for the MIC or the murderous mayhem unleashed in the MENA since the discovery of those non-existent WMD in Iraq.

    I’ll explain that after you explain why “The Rain in Spain Falls Mainly on the Plain.”

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    @Sam Shama

    Prof Higgins lied. The Rain in Spain does NOT fall mainly on the Plain. Ask any hidalgo.

    Now you.
  84. I don’t hate Jewish people – quite the contrary. But since Jewish people are as human as the rest of us, individuals will choose to do good or ill, make mistakes or successes. And like almost everyone, Jewish people are self-interested as individuals. Nor can it be lost on most that there have been pogroms unleashed and a recent, within living memory, genocidal holocaust that consumed millions just on the basis of being considered less than human “Jewish.”

    So, I’m not surprised with those givens, when some Jewish people support policies, even if sometimes misguided, that they believe are necessary to avoid victimhood again, a holocaust in which few of the rest of the world came to their rescue, only fighting their oppressors when they themselves felt threatened.

    It’s also no surprise when a nation of any human beings adopts policies that are unwise and unproductive to itself, or detrimental to the interests of another. I believe because of history, that Israel merits some special sensitivity due to past victimhood, to ensure that Jew hatred, “Judenhass,” doesn’t metastasize again to control powerful political and military forces. However, I also believe, along with thoughtful Jewish folks, that the Likud way is harmful to the Jewish people and Israel’s long term prospects, just as the imperial military course America is now on, is harmful to domestic democratic accountability and the survival of the United States in a form that lives up to the promise of its founding documents and Constitution.

    This is hardly antisemitism, since it seeks what is best for all involved, rather than repeating some of the very mistaken policies that animated conflict in the past with so much destruction and loss of lives, not to mention agitating future conflicts, including blowback for those bad policies that inevitably reaches these shores.

    There is a real “Hasbara” propaganda effort, often by well-intentioned but simpleminded Jewish students who are misled into thinking that false postings as virulent antisemites and as shills for Likud’s often dissembling talking points are a genuine service to the wellbeing of Israel and the diaspora. I would urge them to exercise critical thinking, become better informed and while not forsaking support for fellow Jews, try to view “the other” with genuine grievances as fellow full human beings and to try to put themselves in their shoes.

    If not now, when? If not me, then who?

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    "I believe because of history, that Israel merits some special sensitivity due to past victimhood, to ensure that Jew hatred, “Judenhass,” doesn’t metastasize again to control powerful political and military forces..."

    Suit yourself. I don't particularly care about Jews individually or collectively, no matter where they live, and I'll be damned if I put their interests above my own or those of my country. I also don't give one damn about the holocaust, since it took place elsewhere, and most American Jews weren't affected, anyway. With all the land, money, aid, etc. thrown at Jews over the last 70 years, they owe us lots of change by now. At this point, it's pretty obvious that nowhere near 6 million Jews were actually murdered, and even if that were the case, their lives weren't worth anything close to what has been spent/extracted on their behalf.
    , @Sam Shama
    "If not now, when? If not me, then who?"

    Well said, and I agree with your notion of fairness.
    , @geokat62
    "So, I’m not surprised with those givens, when some Jewish people support policies, even if sometimes misguided, that they believe are necessary to avoid victimhood again..."

    The problem with this statement is that it is based on a false premise - the policies to which you refer have little to do with avoiding victimhood, they are meant to benefit (through preferential access to land, water, roads) one group at the expense of another. It's that simple.

    , @Nico

    I also believe, along with thoughtful Jewish folks, that the Likud way is harmful to the Jewish people and Israel’s long term prospects
     
    Regardless, you are clearly in the minority, at least lumped together among Jewish folks (or at least Israeli Jews who actually have to live in the situation over there).

    What everyone needs to know is that the modern state of Israel is a colony founded by yuppy socialist Ashkenazi who were later supplemented by bourgeois (and sometimes polygynous) Sephardim with a negligent and a tiny but highly ecclectic - sometimes charmingly so, sometimes annoyingly so - Hasedic Orthodox streak which has grown out of control at the expense of the former groups over the past forty or so years.

    Their neighbors plus the locals riddled among them, the Palestinians as we call them (somewhat strangely I might add, to the extent that the cultural continuity they show with the ancient Roman province of Palestine is specious at best), are mostly disgruntled Arabophonic Muslims whose real and perceived grievances they have chosen to throw in with the lot of anticolonial, antiwhite and anti-Christian terrorists, and increasingly with apocalyptic Salafist universalists.

    A minority of Palestinians, however, are Christians, some genuinely Arab but many descended from various Greek, Phoenician or Armenian speakers. They come under pressure from both Israelis and Muslims - though perhaps not as much so as their coreligionists elsewhere in the region (i.e. DAESH).

    Israeli, Palestinian... honestly, why any white gentile or Christian would attempt to apologize for either camp for any reason other than cynical self-interest is beyond me.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    With respect, Fran Macadam, your position is the problem not the solution.

    1. It is factually incorrect to state that "Jews were subjected to holocaust 'just because they were Jews.' " Hollywood filmmakers may have managed to convince the majority of American people that such is the case, but a step-by-step and year-by-year assessment, from ~1872 onward, of who did what to whom and why, gives proof resentment of Jewish people was not an uncaused cause. There were numerous and rational reasons why the German government pursued non-violent means over many years to reduce the impact of Russian- and Polish- Jewish immigration into post-war Germany, and also to take measure to resist the efforts at subversion of the German political and social order by Bolshevik Communists such as Grigory Zinoviev.

    The German people were starved to death, by the hundreds of thousands. In the inter-war/Weimar period; they experienced more starvation; waves of riots as Russian Communists led insurrections in German towns and cities; the destruction of the German money system and economy. They laid these harms at the feet of Jewish people because they saw with their own eyes that Jewish people -- among others -- were prominent in the leadership of activities that were bringing about the harms. The German people resisted more-or-less nonviolently for nearly 25 years; in the years from 1933 until November 1938, the NSDAP actually quelled violence against Jews in Germany, and no Jewish person was sent to a concentration camp until after November 1938.

    In an exchange with an audience member at a discussion of his book, "The Jewish Enemy", Prof. Jeffrey Herf said to the audience member: "Germans did have good reason to resent the Jews. It was appropriate for them to take measures to remove those Jews who were causing trouble" [or words to that effect]. A stunning statement. To be sure, Herf continued, "But nothing gave Germans the right to kill Jews in gas chambers."

    I agree with Dr. Herf: the German government had not only the right but the duty to remove subversives from their midst, and they did not have the right to kill Jews in gas chambers. I also agree with Bishop R. Williamson that there is no convincing evidence that Germans did kill Jews in gas chambers.

    2. If the holocaust (your Clause 1) is disqualified, then Clauses 2 and 3 do not hold water.
    Furthermore, it is the definition of racism to give preferential treatment to Jews, giving them leave to kill and steal with abandon, "just because they are Jews."

    3. I also take issue with your unqualified regard for Hannah Arendt.

    In the 1966 number of The Commentary Reader, editor Norman Podhoretz published a essay by Arendt titled "Germany 1950," and also an extensive report of a 1961 round-table discussion on the topic "Western Values and Total War." Participants included Sidney Hood, H Stuart Hughes, Hans J Morgenthau, and C P Snow. Dr. Hughes, an historian who also fought in World War II, said:


    "Where I differ from some of my friends is in feeling that the great change came not with the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima but in 1943, when we began the terror bombardment of Germany. That's where I think the character of war changed and the use of weapons of mass destruction began.
    Now, I think here one should apply a type of reasoning such as the theologians have always used. Presumably any war worth fighting . . .is in theological and moral terms a just war. I would argue to this day that World War II was a just war. But if I understand the theologians correctly, a war can only be considered just if the means are proportionate to the evil to be eradicated. Now it seems to me the means used against Hitler were proportionate until the terror bombing; and you did not need the terror bombing to win that war. It was both morally and technically stupid and wrong. " (Commentary Reader, Norman Podhoretz, ed. c 1966, American Jewish Committee)
     
    Hughes argues that the United States and Britain committed war crimes against the German people.

    In the 1950 essay, Arendt castigated Germans for failing to concede that they deserved to be firebombed. Germans deserved to have their children reduced to smudges of ash on a church wall, or melted into boiling asphalt, according to Saint Hannah of Arendt.

    It is a nauseating exercise in the most vicious kind of vindictiveness.

    Contrast Arendt's comments and attitude with those of Freda Utley in "The High Cost of Vengeance." http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thcov/

    Watch or read "Hellstorm", then review the words of Saint Hannah of Arendt.
    I dare you.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ

    http://www.amazon.com/Hellstorm-Death-Nazi-Germany-1944-1947/dp/1494775069%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-osx-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D1494775069

    Then come back and we'll talk some more about the evil of banality.

  85. @Fran Macadam
    I don't hate Jewish people - quite the contrary. But since Jewish people are as human as the rest of us, individuals will choose to do good or ill, make mistakes or successes. And like almost everyone, Jewish people are self-interested as individuals. Nor can it be lost on most that there have been pogroms unleashed and a recent, within living memory, genocidal holocaust that consumed millions just on the basis of being considered less than human "Jewish."

    So, I'm not surprised with those givens, when some Jewish people support policies, even if sometimes misguided, that they believe are necessary to avoid victimhood again, a holocaust in which few of the rest of the world came to their rescue, only fighting their oppressors when they themselves felt threatened.

    It's also no surprise when a nation of any human beings adopts policies that are unwise and unproductive to itself, or detrimental to the interests of another. I believe because of history, that Israel merits some special sensitivity due to past victimhood, to ensure that Jew hatred, "Judenhass," doesn't metastasize again to control powerful political and military forces. However, I also believe, along with thoughtful Jewish folks, that the Likud way is harmful to the Jewish people and Israel's long term prospects, just as the imperial military course America is now on, is harmful to domestic democratic accountability and the survival of the United States in a form that lives up to the promise of its founding documents and Constitution.

    This is hardly antisemitism, since it seeks what is best for all involved, rather than repeating some of the very mistaken policies that animated conflict in the past with so much destruction and loss of lives, not to mention agitating future conflicts, including blowback for those bad policies that inevitably reaches these shores.

    There is a real "Hasbara" propaganda effort, often by well-intentioned but simpleminded Jewish students who are misled into thinking that false postings as virulent antisemites and as shills for Likud's often dissembling talking points are a genuine service to the wellbeing of Israel and the diaspora. I would urge them to exercise critical thinking, become better informed and while not forsaking support for fellow Jews, try to view "the other" with genuine grievances as fellow full human beings and to try to put themselves in their shoes.

    If not now, when? If not me, then who?

    “I believe because of history, that Israel merits some special sensitivity due to past victimhood, to ensure that Jew hatred, “Judenhass,” doesn’t metastasize again to control powerful political and military forces…”

    Suit yourself. I don’t particularly care about Jews individually or collectively, no matter where they live, and I’ll be damned if I put their interests above my own or those of my country. I also don’t give one damn about the holocaust, since it took place elsewhere, and most American Jews weren’t affected, anyway. With all the land, money, aid, etc. thrown at Jews over the last 70 years, they owe us lots of change by now. At this point, it’s pretty obvious that nowhere near 6 million Jews were actually murdered, and even if that were the case, their lives weren’t worth anything close to what has been spent/extracted on their behalf.

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    @joe webb
    "Israel was created in 1948...." well, that might have satisfied the zealots, but nooooooooo.

    Israel conquered Palestine in 1948, or a large part of it, and went on to conquer the rest of it in 1967. That is the historical reality.

    I don't bother too much with this stuff any more, but, I do recommend Benny Morris's book on Israeli history...about ten years ago, forget the title. One of its features is that it deals with military history, which I never read about anywhere else, that is, the coup, the expulsion of @ 700k Palestinians, the massacres at Der Yassin, and elsewhere, and a little discussion of the 500 or so Palestinian villages razed by the Jews, or just taken over. I have known a few Palestinians around Palo Alto who still carried their old house keys to houses snatched by the zealots. I think Edward Said's family house is still standing with Jews inside...he did a video with him visiting it.

    I don't have a problem with zionism I just have a problem with stealing and murdering other people and their land. to put it as simply and unemotionally as I can, fuck the jews.

    Morris was attacked by the zealots for his book. As I recall , he responded with the simple explanation that zionism needed to do this dirty deed to the Palestinians in order to found the Jewish State and that lying about it was worse than the deed itself, something like that.

    So, I think god for Israel cuz it is going to bring down the Jewish Power. Thank You Yahweh and all you guys with your funny hats, ugly women, and hateful screaming and yelling. Also, how come Yahweh made you so ugly?

    Joe Webb

    I don’t have a problem with zionism I just have a problem with stealing and murdering other people and their land. to put it as simply and unemotionally as I can, fuck the jews.

    So what are you doing in California? Jews are more indigenous to Israel than you are to California. Practice what you preach, you hypocrite.

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    To Anon. What was done to the indigenous in N. America was done and over by 1850. That was a different Time with different rules.

    The UN declaration of human rights, and the big civil war between Whites was over and the principles of international law established .... before the jews stole Palestine. And then stole it again in 1967, and continue to do the same thing, etc. And it is not just law, there is Public Opinion which had changed for the better...stop invading other people. Something that I think is a good rule. Jews today are cheerleading the invasion of White lands by darkies....another gift from the Jews.

    My father, if I was a jew ( and thank you lord for not making me a jew) would have been guilty, as well as my grandfather , for theft of a country in 1948, but not in 1848, etc. This is obvious.

    Should the injuns have killed every one of us whites starting in 1610? Of course. Should the Arabs kill every last jew now? of course.

    Furthermore, the jews are starting world war three, maybe. No world wars were started by whites invading the Americas. 16 million jews think they are worth , say a billion whites and arabs. They are not worth anything , except what it costs to nuke Israel and their submarines.

    There is that famous rabid rabbi who exclaimed that umpteen thousand arabs are not worth one jew fingernail. right.

    You folks deserve to die for your arrogance alone, not to mention so many other things.. Personally, I would not participate in any jew killing, but I would not lift one fingernail to prevent others from removing you all permanently.

    Joe Webb

  87. Again, arseholes come in every color! As to the Jews, not many in my part of the World, the ones I’ve met are decent hard working folks so I’ll try to let that guide me. Viscous group today, should CTFD fellas. [Calm T F down]

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    " Viscous group today, should CTFD fellas. [Calm T F down]"

    Can't get much calmer than that.
  88. Are the FIFA arrests about Israel?

    no

    Well then what can I learn from this article?

    avoid reading Giraldi.

    keep camels out of your tent

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  89. @Fran Macadam
    I don't hate Jewish people - quite the contrary. But since Jewish people are as human as the rest of us, individuals will choose to do good or ill, make mistakes or successes. And like almost everyone, Jewish people are self-interested as individuals. Nor can it be lost on most that there have been pogroms unleashed and a recent, within living memory, genocidal holocaust that consumed millions just on the basis of being considered less than human "Jewish."

    So, I'm not surprised with those givens, when some Jewish people support policies, even if sometimes misguided, that they believe are necessary to avoid victimhood again, a holocaust in which few of the rest of the world came to their rescue, only fighting their oppressors when they themselves felt threatened.

    It's also no surprise when a nation of any human beings adopts policies that are unwise and unproductive to itself, or detrimental to the interests of another. I believe because of history, that Israel merits some special sensitivity due to past victimhood, to ensure that Jew hatred, "Judenhass," doesn't metastasize again to control powerful political and military forces. However, I also believe, along with thoughtful Jewish folks, that the Likud way is harmful to the Jewish people and Israel's long term prospects, just as the imperial military course America is now on, is harmful to domestic democratic accountability and the survival of the United States in a form that lives up to the promise of its founding documents and Constitution.

    This is hardly antisemitism, since it seeks what is best for all involved, rather than repeating some of the very mistaken policies that animated conflict in the past with so much destruction and loss of lives, not to mention agitating future conflicts, including blowback for those bad policies that inevitably reaches these shores.

    There is a real "Hasbara" propaganda effort, often by well-intentioned but simpleminded Jewish students who are misled into thinking that false postings as virulent antisemites and as shills for Likud's often dissembling talking points are a genuine service to the wellbeing of Israel and the diaspora. I would urge them to exercise critical thinking, become better informed and while not forsaking support for fellow Jews, try to view "the other" with genuine grievances as fellow full human beings and to try to put themselves in their shoes.

    If not now, when? If not me, then who?

    “If not now, when? If not me, then who?”

    Well said, and I agree with your notion of fairness.

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    "Well said, and I agree with your notion of fairness."

    Wow! No surprise there.
  90. @Renoman
    Again, arseholes come in every color! As to the Jews, not many in my part of the World, the ones I've met are decent hard working folks so I'll try to let that guide me. Viscous group today, should CTFD fellas. [Calm T F down]

    ” Viscous group today, should CTFD fellas. [Calm T F down]”

    Can’t get much calmer than that.

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  91. @Sam Shama
    "If not now, when? If not me, then who?"

    Well said, and I agree with your notion of fairness.

    “Well said, and I agree with your notion of fairness.”

    Wow! No surprise there.

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  92. @Sam Shama
    I'll explain that after you explain why "The Rain in Spain Falls Mainly on the Plain."

    Prof Higgins lied. The Rain in Spain does NOT fall mainly on the Plain. Ask any hidalgo.

    Now you.

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    "Prof Higgins lied. The Rain in Spain does NOT fall mainly on the Plain. Ask any hidalgo."

    Therein, the answer to the quizlet, my friend, lies the explanation you seek.

  93. @Wizard of Oz
    I've just returned from Israel full of admiration for what I saw (as well as entertainment and not without awareness of Potemkin villages - not in evidence among the Bedouin- and plenty of 20s and 30s precedents for turning tourists into useful idiots).

    However I don't think ill aimed blunderbuses are useful weapons in controversy and to describe someone with the name Giraldi as a WASP - unless you know more about him than I suspect you do - just won't sustain your credit with the jury.
    My first quibble (and pls excuse me just having quibbles as I have too little Jewish family connection to allow me a dog, or camel, in this festival) is that the author describes Israel as a country which is legally and practically run for one religious group. But how can the Jews of Israel be described as "one religious group". While it is true that even atheist Jews may maintain some tribal/family customs like Friday night dinners it is really quite a stretch to treat Israel as being religiously monolithic within its Jewish community or communities.
    And JT: isn't it an interesting speculation that at least the timing of US prosecutors' latest example (if I am not characterising it unfairly) of Imperial overstretch might be related to the motion to exclude Israel from FIFA? Is it wrong? Is it implausible?

    But how can the Jews of Israel be described as “one religious group”. While it is true that even atheist Jews may maintain some tribal/family customs like Friday night dinners it is really quite a stretch to treat Israel as being religiously monolithic within its Jewish community or communities.

    The problem is that – whether you consider yourself Christian or not – you have an eminently Christian-centric view of religious identity, and more specifically a social-confessionalist view of the sort that grew up in post-Reformation Europe. It is a view that was particularly influential in Holland and in the British Isles with the multiplicity of nonconformist sects that flourished alongside official Protestant cults as well as the Roman Catholic Church, and which was exported to the United States. In most of the rest of the world, it would be absurd to think of “a religion” first and foremost as something you “join” or in most cases even “choose,” as do many American Christians but also atheists, deistic and agnostics (many of these latter groups being so far removed from reality that whole they are perfectly aware that they came from apes several hundred thousand/several million years ago, they seem to have no idea that the intellectual undercurrent to which they cling is not a “blank slate” of human nature but in fact grew up in a very tumultuous phase of Christendom just a few hundred years back).

    True, Christians have always taught that one is not born a Christian but initiated through baptism – indeed, this ritual was concocted to allow anyone from any background of religious tradition to join in the Christian understanding of theology and expression of spirituality. Inevitably, though, as many generations baptized their children continuously, a specifically Christian culture and genetic civilization developed, one which is now being torn apart at the seams, but the tearing apart of which Christianity may very well survive nonetheless, if it successfully transitions to the seeking of mass adult converts as was done in the past.

    This is not the case for Judaism. For the Jew, Jewish ethnicity and belonging to the Jewish religion are one and the same. It used to be likewise for the Hindu, and has only changed because the staggering complexity and variety within the subcontinental religious traditions claimed under the umbrella of Hinduism made the region open to Christian social if not theological influence.

    By contrast, about the only influence Christianity has had on Jewish society has been to impose monogamy, and there, on only a part of the Jewish world has there been any success.

    It is not that Eurocentric or Christian-centric thought is a bad thing, but where such tendencies lead to naïve assumptions about how others see themselves (and us, and about how they would like us to see them), they need to be carefully cast aside.

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    Nico, thank you for your learned and usefully informative disquisition. In the same spirit of precision I do note however that you do not catch me out because I was pointing out that there was none of that "religious" solidarity as you rightly point out "religious" is used in our once Christian world. I wouldn't have quibbled if the word used had been "tribal" (Einstein referred to his "tribe") or "ethnocentric".

    Disraeli wouldn't have had a problem with "race" or "racial" but the Nazis led to that word being off limits except when replacing the old-fashioned "racialist" with the "racist" ya-boo insult. I note that there is potentially a gain in precision as a result because "race" was obviously not an accurate pointer to persons of common genetic ancestry as used by those acclaiming their culture in the 19th century as in "this island race".

    What is the best single word? What about the Jewish "people"? A young Jewish friend said his mother would be upset if he married outside "the community" although she obviously wouldn't have minded if he had returned to Australia from Israel with an Israeli Jewish fiancée who would (be?) immediately become part of "the community". I suspect that "largely inherited ethnicity and ethnic solidarity" would be unexceptionably accurate in most contexts though too cumbersome. N'est-ce pas?

    BTW what do you think will be the consequences institutionally, cultural and otherwise (in ways that matter and those that don't) of Christianity becoming, by the numbers, a non-European religion, particularly African, but also counter-oligarchic Chinese?
  94. @Everyone Else
    Below is the culminating sentence of this piece.

    I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.
     
    The author is trying to provoke the emotion of disgust.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.

    This piece crosses over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical attack.

    The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he'd be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.

    The facts frame him as a hypocrite and a coward.

    The U.S. govt, including congress — both house and Senate — have already been taken over by agents of Israel. Israel, at least at the present time, controls U. S. Mideast policy.
    Americans are plenty smart, but they have no clue as to what is really happening in congress and in Palestine, Israel, Syria, Libya, or Iraq. Anyone interested can do a Google search and discover for himself that Jews dominate the U.S. media, both electronic and print. Jews either own the news organizations outright or else they control them through partial ownership, stock, and the very top positions in all these companies.
    I wonder if it is illegal to desecrate the flag of Great Britain, or the flag of Saudi Arabia, or the flag of Syria, or Lebanon, or Egypt. Or Israel.
    The U.S. is wallowing the a slough of ignorance deliberately fostered by the major media.

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  95. @Sure thing
    @Sam Shama

    Prof Higgins lied. The Rain in Spain does NOT fall mainly on the Plain. Ask any hidalgo.

    Now you.

    “Prof Higgins lied. The Rain in Spain does NOT fall mainly on the Plain. Ask any hidalgo.”

    Therein, the answer to the quizlet, my friend, lies the explanation you seek.

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  96. @Sam Shama
    Mr Giraldi, @solontoCroesus, @Chris Mallory, @Art etc.

    I feel compelled to write this entry, do so expeditiously in the interest of time better spent, and hopefully put to rest one aspect of the caustic back and forth we seem to have been engaged in here. It is something I am quite sure I know more than all of you (given such poor display of the essentials in preceding comments): economics .

    1. The U.S. has indeed during the period 1985-2004, provided $3b in grants per year to Israel. At least 74% (and in realised numbers much more than that) mandatorily spent on U.S. goods and services. The rest (26% or less) can be spent elsewhere. It is important to realise in this context, such spending (especially in the presence of a ZIRP (Zero Interest rate Policy) in the U.S., acts as a boost to the final output of the United States. Put differently, every $1 spent results in approximately $1.5 in measured GDP. Today, most of this grant is spent on military goods, to maintain a Qualitative Military Edge, in systems such as the high altitude Arrow I/II/III, Iron Dome, F-35 joint strike capability, x-Band Radar and U.S. Emergency stockpile in the Middle East, an arena in which the the U.S. has significant interests to defend. Like it or not Realpotitic abhors a vacuum (draw you own inferences)

    2. Israel also benefits from $8b in Loan Guarantees. Such guarantees are subsidised to the tune of 3-4% by the U.S. government or the Israeli government. These loans are primarily commercial use loans. Note that there has not been a single default in U.S. subsidised loans - a performance than far exceeds what the U.S. achieves domestically.

    3. The $3b grant provided to a ~$275 b economy by a $17.6 tr economy amounts to roughly 1.09% and 0.017% of Israel's and U.S.'s yearly incomes respectively. In other words numbers not significant in size, but wholly different viewed through the lens of a long-term strategy.
    http://www.heritage.org/index/country/israel
    Your conclusion that Israel's prosperity is the result of U.S. largesse is therefore incorrect and does not even rise to the level of post hoc ergo propter hoc .


    4. Many private investors, including the legendary Warren Buffet, has said that "Israel has a disproportionate amount of brains and innovation"

    http://www.jpost.com/Business/Business-News/Buffett-Israel-has-a-disproportionate-amount-of-brains

    and invested heavily in Israeli metalworking, technology and bio-technology companies. These are not acts of charity.

    5. A point that I really loathe to mention- I am not a "Hasbara troll", whatever that means and simply wish to add my voice to balance the chorus that calls for the destruction of Israel. (Someone also mentioned elsewhere in this Review, that we apparently get paid for this. In my case I assure you, they could not afford it!)

    6. lastly @Giraldi in your particular case, I really do have a bone to pick. You seem to be saying quite clearly that the U.S. Federal Reserve has been engaged in debasing the the U.S. economy through monetary policy. That is the position I recall Ron Paul screaming incessantly about. Again, for those who do understand economics, that claim does not rise above the level of Alchemy and the Theory of the Phlogiston.

    “that the U.S. Federal Reserve has been engaged in debasing the U.S. economy through monetary policy”

    Sorry Sam – but you Jews are on the bad side of history on the Fed – you Passovers manage to screw up everything you touch?

    A Jew has been in charge of the Fed for 30 straight years. In that time, Jew wealth has skyrocket and the average American’s wealth has gone in the opposite direction.

    Bubbles Greenspan helped finance the junk bond king, the savings and loan criminal enterprise, the dot.com bubble, and the criminal housing bubble. Now it is working on a stock market bubble. Surprise surprise, with each bubble you Jews got richer.

    Bubbles turned America from a creditor nation into a debtor nation. In 1986 we had companies with fiduciary responsibilities, people had steady lifetime jobs, pensions, and good health care – not NOW!

    Thanks to Bubbles we now we have a nation of very very rich Jew oligarchs who politically and economically control our nation for the benefit world Jewry.

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    I come from the point of view of a non-Jewish admirer of the real J M Keynes - not the hate figure conjured up by economic illiterates who blame him for the vote seeking but otherwise stupid behviour of politicians since his death in 1946 but the genius who, given sufficient authority, would not have allowed the descent into 1960s stagflation.

    The Jewishness of Chairmen of the Fed is surely an irrelevant coincidence. Why so much qantitative easing with the so far unrealised threat of difficult to control inflation, property bubbles (again) and decline in the $US against the RenMin Bi? Because the largely non-Jewish Congress has persistently failed to provide competent and honest budgets which would - high on the list of priorities - spend the money that has been available at almost no cost from Chinese and Japanese savers on US infrastructure, including most urgently repairs of decaying infrastructure.
  97. I wonder if all you Jew lovers, , , @Nice Gentile Boy, etc, etc, etc, realise the irony:

    You spew venom on a platform provided by a Jew, Ron Keeva Unz, who is hard at work suppressing your freedom.

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    Funny how a Jew's freedom is a function of everyone else losing their freedom.

    Oh, Mr. Schama, since you made the Wagner joke, I've attended the Bayreuther Festspiel. I make frequent visits to Wagner's grave. I've probably been there 50 times. This year I couldn't access it due to the museum they're building, so I went to pay my respects to Liszt.

    You're not the Jew who made the BBC History of Britain are you, or is that your cousin? I always found that hilarious, considering what was contained in the Magna Carta, that a Jew with the name of Schama would be lecturing us about the history of Great Britain.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    I've noticed that numerous times, Sam the Pharaoh.

    It's one more example of the knock-on effect of organizations like ADL, the holocaust industry, CAMERA, etc. censoring and controlling the discourse. No dynamic website or media outlet of broad reach that I am aware of is not gate-kept by someone who is Jewish.

    I don't listen to radio anymore -- NPR has Jewish gatekeepers, the Irishmen demagogues serve Jewish masters and would not/do not stand up for Palestinian rights , for example, much less American interests in preference to Israel's and super-sensitivity to Jews similar to the position that Fran Macadam spelled out. Even Democracy Now is run by a Jewish person.

    I haven't turned on a television set in years.

    I do watch C Span programming and exploit its archive. C Span is massively skewed toward the Jewish-Israel pov; if a C Span moderator failed to bend the knee in front of Israel or Jewish interests, CAMERA or ADL would call him/her on the carpet. What Deborah Lipstadt did to the Connie Doebele was and is shameful and repugnant. It was also a warning that C Span journalists have absorbed: Thou shalt go this far and no farther; we are watching you.
    A tally of the number of times neoconservatives have been hosted by C Span compared to the times persons or groups that I consider more representative of American interests unbiased by obeisance to Israel -- persons like Phil Giraldi, Col. Pat Lang, Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett, (who is Jewish and whom I count as a friend), Juan Cole, Stephen Cohen (also Jewish) shows a stark disparity.

    nb. Speaking of Col. Lang -- his website, Sic Semper Tyrannis, offers a robust, but moderated, forum for extremely well-informed discussion and debate of US foreign policy and other topics. It does not have the reach that even a forum as limited as Unz.com enjoys. The same might be said of Moon of Alabama, Going to Tehran, and The Vineyard of the Saker.

    A chart of witnesses called to give testimony before US Congress and Senate would display a similar, steep pro-Jewish pro-Israel bias. For example, yesterday Sen. Corker's committee taking testimony about a P6 -Iran agreement heard Martin Indyk, a strident zionist who has carried water for Israel and Jewish interests for over 30 years, and James Jeffrey, who similarly seems to seek to serve Israel's and Saudi Arabia's interests more zealously than those of the American people or even of the rule of law -- and common sense-- argue that the US Congress should put in place an authorization to use military force against Iran preemptively, against the possibility that an Iran agreement is not concluded, or that Iran fails to comply with an agreement that might be concluded.
    This is an extraordinary proposal that mirrors very closely the activities of primarily Jewish as well as American Anglophiles and the British in engineering a war against Germany.

    The informed views of


    It is not unlikely that Frank Luntz or someone like him functions behind the scenes at C Span.

    It is a slam-dunk certainly that C Span's 3-hour Washington Journal program functions as a focus group/conditioning agent to discern and then shape the opinions of the American people, all while appearing to be "the most fair and balanced of them all." I have compiled a back-of-the-envelope (actually, Excel sheet) of the times that various C Span moderators have said, "Do you trust Iran," or "Can we trust Iran," and compared that list with the number of times they have asked "Can we trust Israel?" Take a wild guess how that turns out.


    The bottom line is that Jewish voices dominate the discourse, and that Jewish censorship functions to silence other voices and views or at very least to impose a chilling effect on expressions of views that Jews and Israelis do not wish to reach the American public.

    This is as self-indicting and counterproductive to the Jewish people as it is dangerous to the sustenance of the American Constitutional republic.


    "A popular Government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives." - James Madison
     
  98. @Fran Macadam
    I don't hate Jewish people - quite the contrary. But since Jewish people are as human as the rest of us, individuals will choose to do good or ill, make mistakes or successes. And like almost everyone, Jewish people are self-interested as individuals. Nor can it be lost on most that there have been pogroms unleashed and a recent, within living memory, genocidal holocaust that consumed millions just on the basis of being considered less than human "Jewish."

    So, I'm not surprised with those givens, when some Jewish people support policies, even if sometimes misguided, that they believe are necessary to avoid victimhood again, a holocaust in which few of the rest of the world came to their rescue, only fighting their oppressors when they themselves felt threatened.

    It's also no surprise when a nation of any human beings adopts policies that are unwise and unproductive to itself, or detrimental to the interests of another. I believe because of history, that Israel merits some special sensitivity due to past victimhood, to ensure that Jew hatred, "Judenhass," doesn't metastasize again to control powerful political and military forces. However, I also believe, along with thoughtful Jewish folks, that the Likud way is harmful to the Jewish people and Israel's long term prospects, just as the imperial military course America is now on, is harmful to domestic democratic accountability and the survival of the United States in a form that lives up to the promise of its founding documents and Constitution.

    This is hardly antisemitism, since it seeks what is best for all involved, rather than repeating some of the very mistaken policies that animated conflict in the past with so much destruction and loss of lives, not to mention agitating future conflicts, including blowback for those bad policies that inevitably reaches these shores.

    There is a real "Hasbara" propaganda effort, often by well-intentioned but simpleminded Jewish students who are misled into thinking that false postings as virulent antisemites and as shills for Likud's often dissembling talking points are a genuine service to the wellbeing of Israel and the diaspora. I would urge them to exercise critical thinking, become better informed and while not forsaking support for fellow Jews, try to view "the other" with genuine grievances as fellow full human beings and to try to put themselves in their shoes.

    If not now, when? If not me, then who?

    “So, I’m not surprised with those givens, when some Jewish people support policies, even if sometimes misguided, that they believe are necessary to avoid victimhood again…”

    The problem with this statement is that it is based on a false premise – the policies to which you refer have little to do with avoiding victimhood, they are meant to benefit (through preferential access to land, water, roads) one group at the expense of another. It’s that simple.

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  99. Since Jews admit among themselves that they are in control of every branch of the US government, I really don’t understand why they haven’t already demanded that Menorahs be installed above the entrances of every public building in Washington, including the Capitol building, the White House, the Pentagon, the Supreme Court building, the State Department building, and of course the US Treasury which came under Jewish control in 1913.

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    Hey, time is not lost! Be patient, you'll see them soon (everywhere). Don't worry (but not happy).
    , @Sam Shama
    "Since Jews admit among themselves ......."

    Were you that fly I noticed on the wall during the last secret meeting we held? That would explain the command of grammar and prose.
  100. @Fran Macadam
    I don't hate Jewish people - quite the contrary. But since Jewish people are as human as the rest of us, individuals will choose to do good or ill, make mistakes or successes. And like almost everyone, Jewish people are self-interested as individuals. Nor can it be lost on most that there have been pogroms unleashed and a recent, within living memory, genocidal holocaust that consumed millions just on the basis of being considered less than human "Jewish."

    So, I'm not surprised with those givens, when some Jewish people support policies, even if sometimes misguided, that they believe are necessary to avoid victimhood again, a holocaust in which few of the rest of the world came to their rescue, only fighting their oppressors when they themselves felt threatened.

    It's also no surprise when a nation of any human beings adopts policies that are unwise and unproductive to itself, or detrimental to the interests of another. I believe because of history, that Israel merits some special sensitivity due to past victimhood, to ensure that Jew hatred, "Judenhass," doesn't metastasize again to control powerful political and military forces. However, I also believe, along with thoughtful Jewish folks, that the Likud way is harmful to the Jewish people and Israel's long term prospects, just as the imperial military course America is now on, is harmful to domestic democratic accountability and the survival of the United States in a form that lives up to the promise of its founding documents and Constitution.

    This is hardly antisemitism, since it seeks what is best for all involved, rather than repeating some of the very mistaken policies that animated conflict in the past with so much destruction and loss of lives, not to mention agitating future conflicts, including blowback for those bad policies that inevitably reaches these shores.

    There is a real "Hasbara" propaganda effort, often by well-intentioned but simpleminded Jewish students who are misled into thinking that false postings as virulent antisemites and as shills for Likud's often dissembling talking points are a genuine service to the wellbeing of Israel and the diaspora. I would urge them to exercise critical thinking, become better informed and while not forsaking support for fellow Jews, try to view "the other" with genuine grievances as fellow full human beings and to try to put themselves in their shoes.

    If not now, when? If not me, then who?

    I also believe, along with thoughtful Jewish folks, that the Likud way is harmful to the Jewish people and Israel’s long term prospects

    Regardless, you are clearly in the minority, at least lumped together among Jewish folks (or at least Israeli Jews who actually have to live in the situation over there).

    What everyone needs to know is that the modern state of Israel is a colony founded by yuppy socialist Ashkenazi who were later supplemented by bourgeois (and sometimes polygynous) Sephardim with a negligent and a tiny but highly ecclectic – sometimes charmingly so, sometimes annoyingly so – Hasedic Orthodox streak which has grown out of control at the expense of the former groups over the past forty or so years.

    Their neighbors plus the locals riddled among them, the Palestinians as we call them (somewhat strangely I might add, to the extent that the cultural continuity they show with the ancient Roman province of Palestine is specious at best), are mostly disgruntled Arabophonic Muslims whose real and perceived grievances they have chosen to throw in with the lot of anticolonial, antiwhite and anti-Christian terrorists, and increasingly with apocalyptic Salafist universalists.

    A minority of Palestinians, however, are Christians, some genuinely Arab but many descended from various Greek, Phoenician or Armenian speakers. They come under pressure from both Israelis and Muslims – though perhaps not as much so as their coreligionists elsewhere in the region (i.e. DAESH).

    Israeli, Palestinian… honestly, why any white gentile or Christian would attempt to apologize for either camp for any reason other than cynical self-interest is beyond me.

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  101. “The problem with this statement is that it is based on a false premise – the policies to which you refer have little to do with avoiding victimhood, they are meant to benefit (through preferential access to land, water, roads) one group at the expense of another. It’s that simple.”

    It’s speculative to definitively assign bad motives to adversaries and not helpful in moving forward with solutions that reduce violence based on hatred. You are right that the policies are to protect one ethnic group’s interests over another’s.

    In the same way, American policies are sold to our public as protecting Americans’ interests over that of other peoples, thereby achieving our support for them. It would be prescient to observe that in actuality these policies are against the interests of the vast majority and benefit the same special donorist interests who have bought the policies. The beneficiaries are hardly only Jewish, and the majority of American Jews are left out of their equation as much as every other average American. We all might be guilty of not being as well informed as we ought to be in a Republic that requires more than casual public interest in accountability, but the donorists are doing their utmost to keep us uninformed and themselves unaccountable to the electorate as they move governance behind closed doors. One might say our guilt is that of misinformed self-interest that justifies their policies that we receive nothing good from. Those participating have among them those of Jewish background, but they are most assuredly not the majority, and the loyalties first and foremost are to their own claque of wealth and power, whatever secondary interests there are. An ethnic enclave does contain its own traitors, particularly in leadership.

    One might expect Jews either here or in Israel to hew to a higher standard than the rest of humanity, but all we can observe is that they are in fact as human as the rest of us. As Hannah Arendt most uncomfortably reported the findings of the Eichmann trial, those who betray their own, as happened tragically during the Holocaust, do so out of vain and selfish character and raw self-interest.

    There is no doubt that putting oneself out to at least try to see the adversary’s point of view, might create a space of commonality where there is enough to pursue mutual goals and benefits. It is tragic that truly aggrieved groups think they cannot recognize the legitimacy of each other’s suffering, out of fear that doing so will undermine their own. The reality is precisely the contrary.

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    It doesn't always help the special interests, either. They're often as bad at pursuing their ends as the supposed suckers they're hoodwinking.
    , @SolontoCroesus

    One might expect Jews either here or in Israel to hew to a higher standard than the rest of humanity,
     
    You must be from Colorado.

    They smoke some weird stuff there.

    PLEEEEEZE explain how it is not bigotry of the highest order to "expect JEWS . . .to hew to a higher standard ..."

    What is the source of this "higher standardism?"
    Is it in the religion?
    There are arguments roiling on this forum that many Jews, in Israel and USA, are not religious at all.
    So is the "higher standardism" in the genes? in the blood? Does that mean it's --- racial???



    Do you get your information about Nazi Germany from that same source as Wizard of Oz when he/she says "the Nazis led to that word [racial] being off limits except when replacing the old-fashioned “racialist” with the “racist” ha-boo insult [whatever that means]." How is your ascription of the "higher standardness of Jews" different from Wiz. of Oz's claim that Nazis were racist?

    It would be a service to all mankind if commenter like Wizard of Oz created a database for us skeptics, to convince us that what he/she believes to true actually has a foundation in reality.

    The database will need to provide excruciating detail, citing sources and full context, of Nazi racialism, with special attention paid to detailing how Nazis killed people just because they were not blond and blue-eyed, and killed Jews just because they were Jews; and refrained from killing people just because they were blonde and blue-eyed and just because they were not Jews.
    , @Nico

    One might expect Jews either here or in Israel to hew to a higher standard than the rest of humanity
     
    I typically expect people to hold themselves to the same standard of conduct they hold everyone else.

    Namely, if Jews are going to have their ethnic separatist colony in the Middle East, then I ask them to refrain from criticizing or subverting European colonies or racial segregation/apartheid therein.

    And if they are going to be asking for moral support and material aid and recognition from the West and the West's colonies, then return the favor and actively denounce those elements from within which do engage in such criticism and/or subversion.

    Some of them ARE so consistent, such as Ilana Mercer (though her father was an anti-apartheid demonstrator - clearly not everything is so simple). Many are not.
    , @geokat62
    "It would be prescient to observe that in actuality these policies are against the interests of the vast majority and benefit the same special donorist interests who have bought the policies."

    Care to elaborate on who the special donorists are that influence U.S. policies in the ME?

    "... the majority of American Jews are left out of their equation as much as every other average American."

    I realize it is difficult for anyone to speak in behalf of any one group of people, but before you can reach the conclusion you do, wouldn't one need to determine whether American Jewry is supportive of the special relationship between the U.S. and Israel? And if they are supportive, do they bear any responsibility for what has transpired in the ME?

    btw, if you don't mind my asking: are you supportive of this relationship?
  102. @Everyone Else
    Below is the culminating sentence of this piece.

    I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.
     
    The author is trying to provoke the emotion of disgust.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.

    This piece crosses over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical attack.

    The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he'd be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.

    The facts frame him as a hypocrite and a coward.

    “The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, [sic] is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.”

    Lots of people empathize more with nonhumans than humans. When I watch “Braveheart,” for instance, with my family they are always more upset about the poor horses getting killed than the men. Not that camels are horses, and obviously the point of the camel’s nose adage is the camel’s a bad thing. Just wait, at least, for people to start comparing Jews to rats and cancer before going off on dehumanization, lest you find yourself advocating for all human communication on controversial subjects to read like instruction manuals.

    It’s not just folky anecdotes, fairytales, humor, and racism that uses anthropomorphization. Wave goodbye to a good chunk of classical literature, for starters. Do you really want to live in a world where we can’t compare men to animals? Where people’d have to read the Iliad in secret, like Winston Smith hiding his diary from the viewscreen?

    That’s hyperbole, I know. But so’s suggesting such an article as this is tantamount to encouraging genocide. I’m not alone in having chronic fatigue syndrome over keeping vigil against the dark forces if the universe plotting against Jewish lives. As if they’re the only people in the world ever in danger. And as if even if they are in a fight for their very existence it’s my business. It isn’t.

    By the way, Giraldi would have more to fear if Israel were more evil and he were a Palestinian or whomever else Israel views as its enemy. Since he lives where the money comes from, he has a lot less to fear.

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    @Wizard of Oz
    I've just returned from Israel full of admiration for what I saw (as well as entertainment and not without awareness of Potemkin villages - not in evidence among the Bedouin- and plenty of 20s and 30s precedents for turning tourists into useful idiots).

    However I don't think ill aimed blunderbuses are useful weapons in controversy and to describe someone with the name Giraldi as a WASP - unless you know more about him than I suspect you do - just won't sustain your credit with the jury.
    My first quibble (and pls excuse me just having quibbles as I have too little Jewish family connection to allow me a dog, or camel, in this festival) is that the author describes Israel as a country which is legally and practically run for one religious group. But how can the Jews of Israel be described as "one religious group". While it is true that even atheist Jews may maintain some tribal/family customs like Friday night dinners it is really quite a stretch to treat Israel as being religiously monolithic within its Jewish community or communities.
    And JT: isn't it an interesting speculation that at least the timing of US prosecutors' latest example (if I am not characterising it unfairly) of Imperial overstretch might be related to the motion to exclude Israel from FIFA? Is it wrong? Is it implausible?

    While truly Israel doesn’t run an inquisition to determine what each citizen believes in his heart of hearts, and it doesn’t chuck out every heretic and nonbeliever, if there is any country on earth run by and for a single religion, or in this case religio-racial group (not that it’s as racially homogeneous as they pretend), it’s Israel.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    See my response to Nico. As indicated and explained I still think my quibble about the use of "religious" - a narrow point and not fundamental to anything but strict accuracy - is/was justified. Your contender to vie with "people", "race", "community" etc. is noted but it is both uncertain in its connotations and unjustifiably attached to religion.

    BTW I don't know about the homogeneity that "they" pretend to. What are you saying? That some, and what (?) part of the Israeli community doesn't recognise that the Ethiopian Jews who rioted in Tel Aviv a few weeks ago have black skins, low skills and a very different ancestry and history from that of lighter skinned Jews (themselves with several different labels)?
    , @Wizard of Oz
    "If there is any country...."

    Really? Surely that depends on verbal sophistry given that there are many Muslim countries which don't even tolerate the minor differences between Muslim sects (even if the law nominally does) and these are much more similar than the Haredi are to Reform, let slone atheist. And conversion to Islam is easy: to Judaism in Israel hard.

    I think your problem with Israel would be better expressed if you left the religion out of "religio-racial" (and "racial" maybe because it is now taboo!) and treated Israel as sui generis which might in theory be matched only by a Gypsy polity or Parsee or ???
  104. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    Is it okay to want to piss on the graves of WASP imbeciles, or is this just race vs. race, with no larger point? Doesn’t matter, I suppose, considering:

    1). It’s okay to be racist against WASPs, and

    2). I don’t think the author’s a WASP anyway.

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  105. @Fran Macadam
    "The problem with this statement is that it is based on a false premise – the policies to which you refer have little to do with avoiding victimhood, they are meant to benefit (through preferential access to land, water, roads) one group at the expense of another. It’s that simple."

    It's speculative to definitively assign bad motives to adversaries and not helpful in moving forward with solutions that reduce violence based on hatred. You are right that the policies are to protect one ethnic group's interests over another's.

    In the same way, American policies are sold to our public as protecting Americans' interests over that of other peoples, thereby achieving our support for them. It would be prescient to observe that in actuality these policies are against the interests of the vast majority and benefit the same special donorist interests who have bought the policies. The beneficiaries are hardly only Jewish, and the majority of American Jews are left out of their equation as much as every other average American. We all might be guilty of not being as well informed as we ought to be in a Republic that requires more than casual public interest in accountability, but the donorists are doing their utmost to keep us uninformed and themselves unaccountable to the electorate as they move governance behind closed doors. One might say our guilt is that of misinformed self-interest that justifies their policies that we receive nothing good from. Those participating have among them those of Jewish background, but they are most assuredly not the majority, and the loyalties first and foremost are to their own claque of wealth and power, whatever secondary interests there are. An ethnic enclave does contain its own traitors, particularly in leadership.

    One might expect Jews either here or in Israel to hew to a higher standard than the rest of humanity, but all we can observe is that they are in fact as human as the rest of us. As Hannah Arendt most uncomfortably reported the findings of the Eichmann trial, those who betray their own, as happened tragically during the Holocaust, do so out of vain and selfish character and raw self-interest.

    There is no doubt that putting oneself out to at least try to see the adversary's point of view, might create a space of commonality where there is enough to pursue mutual goals and benefits. It is tragic that truly aggrieved groups think they cannot recognize the legitimacy of each other's suffering, out of fear that doing so will undermine their own. The reality is precisely the contrary.

    It doesn’t always help the special interests, either. They’re often as bad at pursuing their ends as the supposed suckers they’re hoodwinking.

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  106. @Maj. Kong
    Excellent diversion from Mr. Giraldi, or should I say, Mr. Qatari

    Anything that Israel can be accused of, Qatar can be accused of twice as much.

    The FIFA scandal is all Qatari Islamist imperialism.

    “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided to appoint Ayelet Shaked as justice minister in his fourth government. Shaked is a Member of Knesset (MK) representing the far-right HaBayit HaYehudi (“Jewish Home”) party. She is known for her extreme, ultranationalist views.
    During Israel’s summer 2014 attack on Gaza, MK Shaked essentially called for the genocide of Palestinians. In a Facebook post on July 1—a day before Israeli extremists kidnapped Palestinian teenager Muhammad Abu Khdeir and burned him alive—the lawmaker asserted that “the entire Palestinian people is the enemy” and called for its destruction, “including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.”

    Her post consisted of an excerpt from an article by Uri Elitzur, the late right-wing journalist and leader of the Israeli settler movement, which seeks to colonize Palestinian land in contravention of international law. Elitzur also served as a speechwriter and advisor to Netanyahu.

    Shaked later deleted the status, which garnered 1,000s of likes and shares, yet not before it was archived. ‘
    http://www.mondoweiss.net

    She soon will be invited by Columbia University .WSJ will ask her to write some editorial .NYT wil discover the meanings of the statements:- ‘wiping off the map”

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  107. @Nico

    But how can the Jews of Israel be described as “one religious group”. While it is true that even atheist Jews may maintain some tribal/family customs like Friday night dinners it is really quite a stretch to treat Israel as being religiously monolithic within its Jewish community or communities.
     
    The problem is that - whether you consider yourself Christian or not - you have an eminently Christian-centric view of religious identity, and more specifically a social-confessionalist view of the sort that grew up in post-Reformation Europe. It is a view that was particularly influential in Holland and in the British Isles with the multiplicity of nonconformist sects that flourished alongside official Protestant cults as well as the Roman Catholic Church, and which was exported to the United States. In most of the rest of the world, it would be absurd to think of "a religion" first and foremost as something you "join" or in most cases even "choose," as do many American Christians but also atheists, deistic and agnostics (many of these latter groups being so far removed from reality that whole they are perfectly aware that they came from apes several hundred thousand/several million years ago, they seem to have no idea that the intellectual undercurrent to which they cling is not a "blank slate" of human nature but in fact grew up in a very tumultuous phase of Christendom just a few hundred years back).

    True, Christians have always taught that one is not born a Christian but initiated through baptism - indeed, this ritual was concocted to allow anyone from any background of religious tradition to join in the Christian understanding of theology and expression of spirituality. Inevitably, though, as many generations baptized their children continuously, a specifically Christian culture and genetic civilization developed, one which is now being torn apart at the seams, but the tearing apart of which Christianity may very well survive nonetheless, if it successfully transitions to the seeking of mass adult converts as was done in the past.

    This is not the case for Judaism. For the Jew, Jewish ethnicity and belonging to the Jewish religion are one and the same. It used to be likewise for the Hindu, and has only changed because the staggering complexity and variety within the subcontinental religious traditions claimed under the umbrella of Hinduism made the region open to Christian social if not theological influence.

    By contrast, about the only influence Christianity has had on Jewish society has been to impose monogamy, and there, on only a part of the Jewish world has there been any success.

    It is not that Eurocentric or Christian-centric thought is a bad thing, but where such tendencies lead to naïve assumptions about how others see themselves (and us, and about how they would like us to see them), they need to be carefully cast aside.

    Nico, thank you for your learned and usefully informative disquisition. In the same spirit of precision I do note however that you do not catch me out because I was pointing out that there was none of that “religious” solidarity as you rightly point out “religious” is used in our once Christian world. I wouldn’t have quibbled if the word used had been “tribal” (Einstein referred to his “tribe”) or “ethnocentric”.

    Disraeli wouldn’t have had a problem with “race” or “racial” but the Nazis led to that word being off limits except when replacing the old-fashioned “racialist” with the “racist” ya-boo insult. I note that there is potentially a gain in precision as a result because “race” was obviously not an accurate pointer to persons of common genetic ancestry as used by those acclaiming their culture in the 19th century as in “this island race”.

    What is the best single word? What about the Jewish “people”? A young Jewish friend said his mother would be upset if he married outside “the community” although she obviously wouldn’t have minded if he had returned to Australia from Israel with an Israeli Jewish fiancée who would (be?) immediately become part of “the community”. I suspect that “largely inherited ethnicity and ethnic solidarity” would be unexceptionably accurate in most contexts though too cumbersome. N’est-ce pas?

    BTW what do you think will be the consequences institutionally, cultural and otherwise (in ways that matter and those that don’t) of Christianity becoming, by the numbers, a non-European religion, particularly African, but also counter-oligarchic Chinese?

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    @What is the best single word?

    It should be one which reflects the real characteristics of the object in discussion. Best thing is to use the terms with their original meaning (what did the Ancients understood by race, nation, people?)
    It should be a term which shows (or claims) descent from a common ancestor, either physical or spiritual who was venerated by a cult. Adoption (conversion) was considered assimilation.

    "In ancient Greece, a genos (Greek: γένος, "race, stock, kin", plural genē - γένη) was a social group claiming common descent, referred to by a single name"...
    "In ancient Rome, a gens, plural gentes, was a family, consisting of all those individuals who shared the same nomen and claimed descent from a common ancestor. A branch of a gens was called a stirps (plural stirpes)"...
    "The word Gaṇa (Devanagari: गण), in Sanskrit, means "flock, troop, multitude, number, tribe, series, class"

    "In modern Russian, the word "rod" means "kin", and "rozhenitsa" is "a woman in childbirth".
    "In Romanian: neam (plural neamuri) = family, sort, kin, tribe, ancestry, lineage, descent, extraction, origin, nation, people". Rasă is a neologism but used as synonym of neam.
    , @Nico
    Thank you for your reply and compliment. I quite got what you were saying, although what I meant was that the question of whether the project of Israel is religiously as well as culturally monolithic needs to be treated apart from the confessional/doctrinal terms in which Christians or post-Christians are used to seeing religious identity. Among self-identified "Hindus" there is a great deal of theological, ritual and even ethical variety (more so than even among the various factions of Judaism) yet this shared religious identity is a commonality and an important one.

    In addition, regardless of the degree to which the various internal squabbles are or are not parallel to, say, those between Catholic, Orthodox, Monophysite and Protestant Christians, my view is that insofar as the State of Israel has set specific guidelines as to who is and is not eligible for Aliyah, and considers this to define who belongs to the Jewish religion/ethnic Pangaea, the question of what degree is not necessarily interesting to the great majority of us who are excluded (the "goyim," if you will).

    Re: the demographic realignment of Christianity and its consequences, we shall see, although given that this realignment has already occurred, I would guess not much apart from the obvious geopolitical implications of a higher percentage of the world's people being Christian (that is a question that should be treated apart, but an important one). Christianity and Christendom are not one and the same, and even if newly Christianizing peoples did manage to create some new Christendoms, the degree to which various degrees of Europeanization have preceded/enabled/accompanied/followed from mission efforts makes it unlikely that there will be significant developments in terms of Christian acculturation in the old lands of Christendom (Europe and the Americas).
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    OH! What suckers, we the US be!! A country our size stoops to kiss the butts of a postage size country-Israel!!!

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    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
    Well, you're right.

    Future historians will puzzle over the U.S. Government's groveling subservience to the Zionist entity.
  109. @Art
    “that the U.S. Federal Reserve has been engaged in debasing the U.S. economy through monetary policy”

    Sorry Sam – but you Jews are on the bad side of history on the Fed – you Passovers manage to screw up everything you touch?

    A Jew has been in charge of the Fed for 30 straight years. In that time, Jew wealth has skyrocket and the average American’s wealth has gone in the opposite direction.

    Bubbles Greenspan helped finance the junk bond king, the savings and loan criminal enterprise, the dot.com bubble, and the criminal housing bubble. Now it is working on a stock market bubble. Surprise surprise, with each bubble you Jews got richer.

    Bubbles turned America from a creditor nation into a debtor nation. In 1986 we had companies with fiduciary responsibilities, people had steady lifetime jobs, pensions, and good health care – not NOW!

    Thanks to Bubbles we now we have a nation of very very rich Jew oligarchs who politically and economically control our nation for the benefit world Jewry.

    I come from the point of view of a non-Jewish admirer of the real J M Keynes – not the hate figure conjured up by economic illiterates who blame him for the vote seeking but otherwise stupid behviour of politicians since his death in 1946 but the genius who, given sufficient authority, would not have allowed the descent into 1960s stagflation.

    The Jewishness of Chairmen of the Fed is surely an irrelevant coincidence. Why so much qantitative easing with the so far unrealised threat of difficult to control inflation, property bubbles (again) and decline in the $US against the RenMin Bi? Because the largely non-Jewish Congress has persistently failed to provide competent and honest budgets which would – high on the list of priorities – spend the money that has been available at almost no cost from Chinese and Japanese savers on US infrastructure, including most urgently repairs of decaying infrastructure.

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  110. @TheJester
    Philip Giraldi speaks truth to (Jewish money and) power. The Hasbara trolls are out in force. He must be saying something meaningful and worthwhile.

    I couldn’t agree with you more! Giraldi has hit a nerve. That explains their wild rants and screams. Whether they like it or not, the days of the Israeli apartheid are numbered.

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  111. @Anonymous
    While truly Israel doesn't run an inquisition to determine what each citizen believes in his heart of hearts, and it doesn't chuck out every heretic and nonbeliever, if there is any country on earth run by and for a single religion, or in this case religio-racial group (not that it's as racially homogeneous as they pretend), it's Israel.

    See my response to Nico. As indicated and explained I still think my quibble about the use of “religious” – a narrow point and not fundamental to anything but strict accuracy – is/was justified. Your contender to vie with “people”, “race”, “community” etc. is noted but it is both uncertain in its connotations and unjustifiably attached to religion.

    BTW I don’t know about the homogeneity that “they” pretend to. What are you saying? That some, and what (?) part of the Israeli community doesn’t recognise that the Ethiopian Jews who rioted in Tel Aviv a few weeks ago have black skins, low skills and a very different ancestry and history from that of lighter skinned Jews (themselves with several different labels)?

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  112. @Anonymous
    While truly Israel doesn't run an inquisition to determine what each citizen believes in his heart of hearts, and it doesn't chuck out every heretic and nonbeliever, if there is any country on earth run by and for a single religion, or in this case religio-racial group (not that it's as racially homogeneous as they pretend), it's Israel.

    “If there is any country….”

    Really? Surely that depends on verbal sophistry given that there are many Muslim countries which don’t even tolerate the minor differences between Muslim sects (even if the law nominally does) and these are much more similar than the Haredi are to Reform, let slone atheist. And conversion to Islam is easy: to Judaism in Israel hard.

    I think your problem with Israel would be better expressed if you left the religion out of “religio-racial” (and “racial” maybe because it is now taboo!) and treated Israel as sui generis which might in theory be matched only by a Gypsy polity or Parsee or ???

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  113. @Wizard of Oz
    Nico, thank you for your learned and usefully informative disquisition. In the same spirit of precision I do note however that you do not catch me out because I was pointing out that there was none of that "religious" solidarity as you rightly point out "religious" is used in our once Christian world. I wouldn't have quibbled if the word used had been "tribal" (Einstein referred to his "tribe") or "ethnocentric".

    Disraeli wouldn't have had a problem with "race" or "racial" but the Nazis led to that word being off limits except when replacing the old-fashioned "racialist" with the "racist" ya-boo insult. I note that there is potentially a gain in precision as a result because "race" was obviously not an accurate pointer to persons of common genetic ancestry as used by those acclaiming their culture in the 19th century as in "this island race".

    What is the best single word? What about the Jewish "people"? A young Jewish friend said his mother would be upset if he married outside "the community" although she obviously wouldn't have minded if he had returned to Australia from Israel with an Israeli Jewish fiancée who would (be?) immediately become part of "the community". I suspect that "largely inherited ethnicity and ethnic solidarity" would be unexceptionably accurate in most contexts though too cumbersome. N'est-ce pas?

    BTW what do you think will be the consequences institutionally, cultural and otherwise (in ways that matter and those that don't) of Christianity becoming, by the numbers, a non-European religion, particularly African, but also counter-oligarchic Chinese?

    @What is the best single word?

    It should be one which reflects the real characteristics of the object in discussion. Best thing is to use the terms with their original meaning (what did the Ancients understood by race, nation, people?)
    It should be a term which shows (or claims) descent from a common ancestor, either physical or spiritual who was venerated by a cult. Adoption (conversion) was considered assimilation.

    “In ancient Greece, a genos (Greek: γένος, “race, stock, kin”, plural genē – γένη) was a social group claiming common descent, referred to by a single name”…
    “In ancient Rome, a gens, plural gentes, was a family, consisting of all those individuals who shared the same nomen and claimed descent from a common ancestor. A branch of a gens was called a stirps (plural stirpes)”…
    “The word Gaṇa (Devanagari: गण), in Sanskrit, means “flock, troop, multitude, number, tribe, series, class”

    “In modern Russian, the word “rod” means “kin”, and “rozhenitsa” is “a woman in childbirth”.
    “In Romanian: neam (plural neamuri) = family, sort, kin, tribe, ancestry, lineage, descent, extraction, origin, nation, people”. Rasă is a neologism but used as synonym of neam.

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  114. @Sean
    A lot of the football organisation insiders in Western countries hated Sepp Blatter and the prospect of him getting another term probably made some of them supply new information in the last few weeks that gave US prosecutors what they needed for arraignments. Moreover the media blitz over Blatter-supportering delegates' corruption, which has been going on a long time in the UK , made US prosecutors decide this was the right time. Those were the major factors in the timing I think.

    There’s little doubt that Sepp Blatter and FIFA accept bribes, but so does virtually every other major sports organization. I suspect that the real reason behind why FIFA has incurred the righteous wrath of Israel, is because it is apparently one of the few international sports organizations not being run by the Jewish mafia.

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    @FIFA Corruption,

    I am sure that the real corruption of FIFA, UEFA, you name it, is the match-fixing practice. It is universal, as old as the game and in very many cases "intangible" (nobody would ever know what money passed under the table, what favors have been done to third parties, how much money the bidders and bookmakers with inside knowledge made). No doubt FIFA functioned as an extortion racket, a money laundering machine, a cash cow. Actually "the beautiful game" itself is a contraption to milk money from the imbecilic masses. The more idiots fill the stadiums cheering at 22 morons elevated to semi-divine status chasing a ball, the more money line the pockets of the cynical managers of these "circenses" (the most efficient, time-honored means of crowd control and numbing of political dissent). Disband FIFA, let people play football in their back yards just for their and their spectator friends enjoyment, and the World would be hundred times better.
    Russia should renounce to hold the Championship as she renounced the Marshall Plan after the War. Go and play all your championships in England, you invented the game, after all, stick it up... (I mean stick to it).
  115. @Sherman
    The fact is Giraldi is a nasty anti-Semite and admitted Holocaust denier who is on the Saudi payroll.

    Israel is a powerful and thriving democracy. Whatever faults Israel has the fact remains that Arabs living within its borders are infinitely better off than Arabs living in any of the basket case Arab countries Giraldi speaks so highly of.

    Let Geraldi and his ilk spew their venom all they want. Israel is here to stay.

    With all creditable research proving the 6 million holocaust a gigantic hoax, there’s no excuse for anyone not becoming a holocaust denier.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I take it you mean "credible" research.

    Please point me in the direction of credible research which shows

    1. The figure of 6 million Jews killed in the early 40s being reliably overstated by some millions - and how many millions;

    2. That the higher figure was got up as a hoax in some now clearly describable way (or that something else than the number killed was got up as a hoax and the details of that);

    3. That there was no concerted effort by senior Nazis to organise the destruction of European Jewry or at least that large part of it which couldn't contribute to the war effort as slave labour.
  116. @Fran Macadam
    I don't hate Jewish people - quite the contrary. But since Jewish people are as human as the rest of us, individuals will choose to do good or ill, make mistakes or successes. And like almost everyone, Jewish people are self-interested as individuals. Nor can it be lost on most that there have been pogroms unleashed and a recent, within living memory, genocidal holocaust that consumed millions just on the basis of being considered less than human "Jewish."

    So, I'm not surprised with those givens, when some Jewish people support policies, even if sometimes misguided, that they believe are necessary to avoid victimhood again, a holocaust in which few of the rest of the world came to their rescue, only fighting their oppressors when they themselves felt threatened.

    It's also no surprise when a nation of any human beings adopts policies that are unwise and unproductive to itself, or detrimental to the interests of another. I believe because of history, that Israel merits some special sensitivity due to past victimhood, to ensure that Jew hatred, "Judenhass," doesn't metastasize again to control powerful political and military forces. However, I also believe, along with thoughtful Jewish folks, that the Likud way is harmful to the Jewish people and Israel's long term prospects, just as the imperial military course America is now on, is harmful to domestic democratic accountability and the survival of the United States in a form that lives up to the promise of its founding documents and Constitution.

    This is hardly antisemitism, since it seeks what is best for all involved, rather than repeating some of the very mistaken policies that animated conflict in the past with so much destruction and loss of lives, not to mention agitating future conflicts, including blowback for those bad policies that inevitably reaches these shores.

    There is a real "Hasbara" propaganda effort, often by well-intentioned but simpleminded Jewish students who are misled into thinking that false postings as virulent antisemites and as shills for Likud's often dissembling talking points are a genuine service to the wellbeing of Israel and the diaspora. I would urge them to exercise critical thinking, become better informed and while not forsaking support for fellow Jews, try to view "the other" with genuine grievances as fellow full human beings and to try to put themselves in their shoes.

    If not now, when? If not me, then who?

    With respect, Fran Macadam, your position is the problem not the solution.

    1. It is factually incorrect to state that “Jews were subjected to holocaust ‘just because they were Jews.’ ” Hollywood filmmakers may have managed to convince the majority of American people that such is the case, but a step-by-step and year-by-year assessment, from ~1872 onward, of who did what to whom and why, gives proof resentment of Jewish people was not an uncaused cause. There were numerous and rational reasons why the German government pursued non-violent means over many years to reduce the impact of Russian- and Polish- Jewish immigration into post-war Germany, and also to take measure to resist the efforts at subversion of the German political and social order by Bolshevik Communists such as Grigory Zinoviev.

    The German people were starved to death, by the hundreds of thousands. In the inter-war/Weimar period; they experienced more starvation; waves of riots as Russian Communists led insurrections in German towns and cities; the destruction of the German money system and economy. They laid these harms at the feet of Jewish people because they saw with their own eyes that Jewish people — among others — were prominent in the leadership of activities that were bringing about the harms. The German people resisted more-or-less nonviolently for nearly 25 years; in the years from 1933 until November 1938, the NSDAP actually quelled violence against Jews in Germany, and no Jewish person was sent to a concentration camp until after November 1938.

    In an exchange with an audience member at a discussion of his book, “The Jewish Enemy”, Prof. Jeffrey Herf said to the audience member: “Germans did have good reason to resent the Jews. It was appropriate for them to take measures to remove those Jews who were causing trouble” [or words to that effect]. A stunning statement. To be sure, Herf continued, “But nothing gave Germans the right to kill Jews in gas chambers.”

    I agree with Dr. Herf: the German government had not only the right but the duty to remove subversives from their midst, and they did not have the right to kill Jews in gas chambers. I also agree with Bishop R. Williamson that there is no convincing evidence that Germans did kill Jews in gas chambers.

    2. If the holocaust (your Clause 1) is disqualified, then Clauses 2 and 3 do not hold water.
    Furthermore, it is the definition of racism to give preferential treatment to Jews, giving them leave to kill and steal with abandon, “just because they are Jews.”

    3. I also take issue with your unqualified regard for Hannah Arendt.

    In the 1966 number of The Commentary Reader, editor Norman Podhoretz published a essay by Arendt titled “Germany 1950,” and also an extensive report of a 1961 round-table discussion on the topic “Western Values and Total War.” Participants included Sidney Hood, H Stuart Hughes, Hans J Morgenthau, and C P Snow. Dr. Hughes, an historian who also fought in World War II, said:

    “Where I differ from some of my friends is in feeling that the great change came not with the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima but in 1943, when we began the terror bombardment of Germany. That’s where I think the character of war changed and the use of weapons of mass destruction began.
    Now, I think here one should apply a type of reasoning such as the theologians have always used. Presumably any war worth fighting . . .is in theological and moral terms a just war. I would argue to this day that World War II was a just war. But if I understand the theologians correctly, a war can only be considered just if the means are proportionate to the evil to be eradicated. Now it seems to me the means used against Hitler were proportionate until the terror bombing; and you did not need the terror bombing to win that war. It was both morally and technically stupid and wrong. ” (Commentary Reader, Norman Podhoretz, ed. c 1966, American Jewish Committee)

    Hughes argues that the United States and Britain committed war crimes against the German people.

    In the 1950 essay, Arendt castigated Germans for failing to concede that they deserved to be firebombed. Germans deserved to have their children reduced to smudges of ash on a church wall, or melted into boiling asphalt, according to Saint Hannah of Arendt.

    It is a nauseating exercise in the most vicious kind of vindictiveness.

    Contrast Arendt’s comments and attitude with those of Freda Utley in “The High Cost of Vengeance.” http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thcov/

    Watch or read “Hellstorm”, then review the words of Saint Hannah of Arendt.
    I dare you.

    http://www.amazon.com/Hellstorm-Death-Nazi-Germany-1944-1947/dp/1494775069%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-osx-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D1494775069

    Then come back and we’ll talk some more about the evil of banality.

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    Many people have argued that the bombing of German cities was done in a way which was not properly directed at military advantage and Sir Arthur Harris suffered from that judgment by being unique amongst his British peers in being denied appointment to the House of Lords. The comparison with the treatment of Jews by the SS - and indeed the French police - is absurd. Just as Londoners sent their children, pregnant wives etc to the country during the Blitz so could German civilians in cities likely to be bombed. Jews had no similar or comparable option.
  117. “By the way, Giraldi would have more to fear if Israel were more evil and he were a Palestinian or whomever else Israel views as its enemy. Since he lives where the money comes from, he has a lot less to fear.”

    He agrees, I think, that since we don’t have much to fear here, that is good argument against being involved in wars of choice there. Moreover, that it is the counterproductive wars of choice there that generate the fears of blowback here, which are behind the draconian violations of Constitutional liberty felt necessary during wartime.

    With endless wartime, financial elites can feast upon endless war profits, achieved only at the cost of endless suspension of constitutional liberties; which after all are only of value to ordinary Americans, who unlike them cannot buy law.

    More power to the persuasive arguments of Phil Giraldi, who is neither so insular nor selfish as to not have a decent respect for the opinions of mankind, about interfering in the lives of others.

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  118. The Holocaust Deniers – who are always at the same time conveniently Jew haters. It’s an early version of Rod Dreher’s Law of Merited Impossibility – it never happened, but if it had, they would have deserved it.

    There is no doubt German society after World War I came under severe stress – defeat, ruinous war reparations, unsustainable loans from Wall Street, ensuing inflation, unemployment, penury, destruction of the middle class, leading to street violence, government instability and messianic demagoguery and scapegoating. Mainstream politicians could offer no solutions because there were no panaceas. At the same time, as with all people, no one wanted to take the blame – neither the people nor political class. Little wonder that a Hitler who assigned all blame to a convenient scapegoat minority and preached revenge could attract a mass following of a population so bereft of ordinary hope. Established morality lost its hold on the people. So discredited, it offered no brake on the excesses that followed.

    Treatises like Nicholson Baker’s Human Smoke prove that the atrocities occurred with contributions and complicity from multiple nations, including allies. There are few clean hands.

    And yes, war crimes were committed by all sides. Nevertheless, overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery.

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    "The Holocaust Deniers – who are always at the same time conveniently Jew haters. It’s an early version of Rod Dreher’s Law of Merited Impossibility – it never happened, but if it had, they would have deserved it. .................................. Nevertheless, overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery."

    Quite. Could not have put it any better.
  119. @Carroll Price
    With all creditable research proving the 6 million holocaust a gigantic hoax, there's no excuse for anyone not becoming a holocaust denier.

    I take it you mean “credible” research.

    Please point me in the direction of credible research which shows

    1. The figure of 6 million Jews killed in the early 40s being reliably overstated by some millions – and how many millions;

    2. That the higher figure was got up as a hoax in some now clearly describable way (or that something else than the number killed was got up as a hoax and the details of that);

    3. That there was no concerted effort by senior Nazis to organise the destruction of European Jewry or at least that large part of it which couldn’t contribute to the war effort as slave labour.

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  120. @SolontoCroesus
    With respect, Fran Macadam, your position is the problem not the solution.

    1. It is factually incorrect to state that "Jews were subjected to holocaust 'just because they were Jews.' " Hollywood filmmakers may have managed to convince the majority of American people that such is the case, but a step-by-step and year-by-year assessment, from ~1872 onward, of who did what to whom and why, gives proof resentment of Jewish people was not an uncaused cause. There were numerous and rational reasons why the German government pursued non-violent means over many years to reduce the impact of Russian- and Polish- Jewish immigration into post-war Germany, and also to take measure to resist the efforts at subversion of the German political and social order by Bolshevik Communists such as Grigory Zinoviev.

    The German people were starved to death, by the hundreds of thousands. In the inter-war/Weimar period; they experienced more starvation; waves of riots as Russian Communists led insurrections in German towns and cities; the destruction of the German money system and economy. They laid these harms at the feet of Jewish people because they saw with their own eyes that Jewish people -- among others -- were prominent in the leadership of activities that were bringing about the harms. The German people resisted more-or-less nonviolently for nearly 25 years; in the years from 1933 until November 1938, the NSDAP actually quelled violence against Jews in Germany, and no Jewish person was sent to a concentration camp until after November 1938.

    In an exchange with an audience member at a discussion of his book, "The Jewish Enemy", Prof. Jeffrey Herf said to the audience member: "Germans did have good reason to resent the Jews. It was appropriate for them to take measures to remove those Jews who were causing trouble" [or words to that effect]. A stunning statement. To be sure, Herf continued, "But nothing gave Germans the right to kill Jews in gas chambers."

    I agree with Dr. Herf: the German government had not only the right but the duty to remove subversives from their midst, and they did not have the right to kill Jews in gas chambers. I also agree with Bishop R. Williamson that there is no convincing evidence that Germans did kill Jews in gas chambers.

    2. If the holocaust (your Clause 1) is disqualified, then Clauses 2 and 3 do not hold water.
    Furthermore, it is the definition of racism to give preferential treatment to Jews, giving them leave to kill and steal with abandon, "just because they are Jews."

    3. I also take issue with your unqualified regard for Hannah Arendt.

    In the 1966 number of The Commentary Reader, editor Norman Podhoretz published a essay by Arendt titled "Germany 1950," and also an extensive report of a 1961 round-table discussion on the topic "Western Values and Total War." Participants included Sidney Hood, H Stuart Hughes, Hans J Morgenthau, and C P Snow. Dr. Hughes, an historian who also fought in World War II, said:


    "Where I differ from some of my friends is in feeling that the great change came not with the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima but in 1943, when we began the terror bombardment of Germany. That's where I think the character of war changed and the use of weapons of mass destruction began.
    Now, I think here one should apply a type of reasoning such as the theologians have always used. Presumably any war worth fighting . . .is in theological and moral terms a just war. I would argue to this day that World War II was a just war. But if I understand the theologians correctly, a war can only be considered just if the means are proportionate to the evil to be eradicated. Now it seems to me the means used against Hitler were proportionate until the terror bombing; and you did not need the terror bombing to win that war. It was both morally and technically stupid and wrong. " (Commentary Reader, Norman Podhoretz, ed. c 1966, American Jewish Committee)
     
    Hughes argues that the United States and Britain committed war crimes against the German people.

    In the 1950 essay, Arendt castigated Germans for failing to concede that they deserved to be firebombed. Germans deserved to have their children reduced to smudges of ash on a church wall, or melted into boiling asphalt, according to Saint Hannah of Arendt.

    It is a nauseating exercise in the most vicious kind of vindictiveness.

    Contrast Arendt's comments and attitude with those of Freda Utley in "The High Cost of Vengeance." http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thcov/

    Watch or read "Hellstorm", then review the words of Saint Hannah of Arendt.
    I dare you.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ

    http://www.amazon.com/Hellstorm-Death-Nazi-Germany-1944-1947/dp/1494775069%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-osx-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D1494775069

    Then come back and we'll talk some more about the evil of banality.

    Many people have argued that the bombing of German cities was done in a way which was not properly directed at military advantage and Sir Arthur Harris suffered from that judgment by being unique amongst his British peers in being denied appointment to the House of Lords. The comparison with the treatment of Jews by the SS – and indeed the French police – is absurd. Just as Londoners sent their children, pregnant wives etc to the country during the Blitz so could German civilians in cities likely to be bombed. Jews had no similar or comparable option.

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    The facts dictate a dramatically different interpretation of events, Wizard of Oz.

    The British as well as the Americans deliberately planned, prepared, rehearsed and perfected tactics to kill working-class German civilians with the defined goal of provoking terror.

    I don't know much about the British firebombing campaign.

    I do know that FDR's administration acquired territory in the desert in Utah at Dugway where they build full-scale and precisely-detailed mock-ups of German and Japanese workers' housing.

    read about it yourself here --

    http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf
    (note especially p. 16:


    In the bedroom, the single beds were placed together in pairs, with a crib ■adjacent, reflective of a young family with an infant.
     
    I'm aware that in Israel children are considered a military threat, but the statement above indicates that the U S Air Force was planning and practicing to kill civilians, including infants. There is no way that statement can be stretched or interpreted to suggest the destruction of civilian housing and the residents of same was "collateral damage" in the path to military targets.

    Listen in as Jorg Friedrich describes the psychological campaign that accompanied the firebombing -- http://www.c-span.org/video/?196223-1/book-discussion-fire-bombing-germany-19401945
    Friedrich explains that the goal of firebombing was not to kill Hitler and/or the German military & political leadership -- they didn't live in the sort of workers housing that was replicated at Dugway. Rather, the goal was to force the capitulation of the German and Japanese leadership by, in effect, holding German and Japanese civilians hostage and killing them off.

    re "Jews had no option" [to leave cities that were to be firebombed].

    So tell me Wizard, How many Jews died in the firebombing of German cities?
    Are there memorials in the supernumerous museums to the holocaust that memorialize Jews killed in the firebombing of German cities?
    It may be the case that Jews were safer in concentration camps in the East than to remain in German cities.

    Let's cycle back to a discussion in another article --

    According to Rabbi Stephen Wise, in his autobiography, The Challenging Years, p. 242, and quoted in Edwin Black's "The Transfer Agreement," on or before Feb. 14, 1933 Louis Brandeis said to Rabbi Wise, "All Jews must leave Germany. . . . I urge that no Jew remain in Germany."
    Wise replied, "How shall we get 587,000 people out of Germany?"
    Brandeis waved aside Wise's incredulity and insisted that the thing must be done: "All Jews must leave Germany."

    Beyond coincidental that Brandeis directed Wise to get Jews out of Germany -- but not Russia, Poland, Hungary, etc. -- six years before a war broke out.


    Wizard of Oz wrote:


    "Just as Londoners sent their children, pregnant wives etc to the country during the Blitz so could German civilians in cities likely to be bombed."
     
    Number one, seven million people were "de-housed." How do you move- and where do you find shelter for- 7 million people?

    Second, Dresden was considered a "safe city." It had no military facilities and it was presumed that its status as a repository of cultural treasures would be respected. For that reason, thousands of refugees sought shelter in Dresden. Dresden was overflowing with persons fleeing other cities threatened by bombing when the Allies bombed it.

  121. @Fran Macadam
    "The problem with this statement is that it is based on a false premise – the policies to which you refer have little to do with avoiding victimhood, they are meant to benefit (through preferential access to land, water, roads) one group at the expense of another. It’s that simple."

    It's speculative to definitively assign bad motives to adversaries and not helpful in moving forward with solutions that reduce violence based on hatred. You are right that the policies are to protect one ethnic group's interests over another's.

    In the same way, American policies are sold to our public as protecting Americans' interests over that of other peoples, thereby achieving our support for them. It would be prescient to observe that in actuality these policies are against the interests of the vast majority and benefit the same special donorist interests who have bought the policies. The beneficiaries are hardly only Jewish, and the majority of American Jews are left out of their equation as much as every other average American. We all might be guilty of not being as well informed as we ought to be in a Republic that requires more than casual public interest in accountability, but the donorists are doing their utmost to keep us uninformed and themselves unaccountable to the electorate as they move governance behind closed doors. One might say our guilt is that of misinformed self-interest that justifies their policies that we receive nothing good from. Those participating have among them those of Jewish background, but they are most assuredly not the majority, and the loyalties first and foremost are to their own claque of wealth and power, whatever secondary interests there are. An ethnic enclave does contain its own traitors, particularly in leadership.

    One might expect Jews either here or in Israel to hew to a higher standard than the rest of humanity, but all we can observe is that they are in fact as human as the rest of us. As Hannah Arendt most uncomfortably reported the findings of the Eichmann trial, those who betray their own, as happened tragically during the Holocaust, do so out of vain and selfish character and raw self-interest.

    There is no doubt that putting oneself out to at least try to see the adversary's point of view, might create a space of commonality where there is enough to pursue mutual goals and benefits. It is tragic that truly aggrieved groups think they cannot recognize the legitimacy of each other's suffering, out of fear that doing so will undermine their own. The reality is precisely the contrary.

    One might expect Jews either here or in Israel to hew to a higher standard than the rest of humanity,

    You must be from Colorado.

    They smoke some weird stuff there.

    PLEEEEEZE explain how it is not bigotry of the highest order to “expect JEWS . . .to hew to a higher standard …”

    What is the source of this “higher standardism?”
    Is it in the religion?
    There are arguments roiling on this forum that many Jews, in Israel and USA, are not religious at all.
    So is the “higher standardism” in the genes? in the blood? Does that mean it’s — racial???

    Do you get your information about Nazi Germany from that same source as Wizard of Oz when he/she says “the Nazis led to that word [racial] being off limits except when replacing the old-fashioned “racialist” with the “racist” ha-boo insult [whatever that means].” How is your ascription of the “higher standardness of Jews” different from Wiz. of Oz’s claim that Nazis were racist?

    It would be a service to all mankind if commenter like Wizard of Oz created a database for us skeptics, to convince us that what he/she believes to true actually has a foundation in reality.

    The database will need to provide excruciating detail, citing sources and full context, of Nazi racialism, with special attention paid to detailing how Nazis killed people just because they were not blond and blue-eyed, and killed Jews just because they were Jews; and refrained from killing people just because they were blonde and blue-eyed and just because they were not Jews.

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    Anonymous No. ??

    You say

    "Do you get your information about Nazi Germany from that same source as Wizard of Oz when he/she says “the Nazis led to that word [racial] being off limits except when replacing the old-fashioned “racialist” with the “racist” ha-boo insult [whatever that means].” How is your ascription of the “higher standardness of Jews” different from Wiz. of Oz’s claim that Nazis were racist?

    It would be a service to all mankind if commenter like Wizard of Oz created a database for us skeptics, to convince us that what he/she believes to true actually has a foundation in reality.

    The database will need to provide excruciating detail, citing sources and full context, of Nazi racialism, with special attention paid to detailing how Nazis killed people just because they were not blond and blue-eyed, and killed Jews just because they were Jews; and refrained from killing people just because they were blonde and blue-eyed and just because they were not Jews."

    I had said

    "I wouldn’t have quibbled if the word used had been “tribal” (Einstein referred to his “tribe”) or “ethnocentric”.

    Disraeli wouldn’t have had a problem with “race” or “racial” but the Nazis led to that word being off limits except when replacing the old-fashioned “racialist” with the “racist” ya-boo insult. I note that there is potentially a gain in precision as a result because “race” was obviously not an accurate pointer to persons of common genetic ancestry as used by those acclaiming their culture in the 19th century as in “this island race”.

    What is the best single word? What about the Jewish “people”?"


    So, let me, in the spirit of a patient tutor of an undergraduate whose ambitious parents would like their boy or girl to be able to go to a respectable graduate school even without a summa cum laude or first class honours which would be asking too much, ask a few questions to help you get your thinking straight.

    1. Where did Wizard of Oz say the Nazis were "racist"?
    Quite. Do you not see that he was actually deprecating the use of the word "racist" at all? Well, perhaps you would have if you had correctly read his description of its use as a "ya-boo" insult. Oh, you don't know what that means. Guess. Yes, you're not far off. He is indeed referring to utterance which has no part in rational discourse but serves merely to express insult. (It would have helped perhaps if you had not misread ya-boo as ha-boo).

    2. Now that we have got past what *you* wanted to say rather than what someone else had actually said that you were using as a hook for your prejudices, what do you think was the point of the passages which you have misrepresented? Yes, well done, I was about to give up on your prospects but of course you can see that it was a discussion of the appropriate terminology for describing the nature of some human groups.

    3. But you will have to do a bit of work on plain logic too as the discussion was really about usage and how current fashions came about. Think about this.... W of O did not say that the Nazis were racist but made reference to the well known fact that, as a result of what people connected discussion of race to after the Nazi era (starting with anti-Jewish laws, Hitler's actual or alleged behaviour at the 1936 Olympics, Kristallnacht etc.) it became taboo in many circles to treat race as discussable or the word as easily useable in an ordinary respectable calm discussion of facts and ideas. Yes, indeed, you are right to guess that it was Jews and educated Upper Middle Class Christians and agnostics first in the Anglosphere but then most strongly in Germany who led the change in acceptability of the race words. Indeed it has made discussion of h-bd matters quite difficult for several decades and not been helpful to the solving of some real problems (e.g. giving incentives to planned parenthood in Africa, though the Vatican continues to have a bad influence there, as do some of the more primitive Muslim clerics).

    4. You may care to do a bit of research into the acceptability of the word "race" before 1933 and indeed the lack of stigma if one admitted to being a "racialist" [sic - not "racist"]. If you are finding some difficulty with the weekly essay requirement perhaps you could manage a short one on reasons for the change in acceptable usage over the 20th century. In the course of that research you might care to see if John Maynard Keynes gave reasons in 1943 for resigning as Vice-President of the Malthusian Society.....

    And please don't come back until you are better prepared and willing to try and meet our standards.
  122. “PLEEEEEZE explain how it is not bigotry of the highest order to expect JEWS . . .to hew to a higher standard …”

    Well, some bigots demand of Jewish people a standard of behavior they don’t expect from their own tribe, and condemn an entire people for what their own do as well without disapprobation.

    So yes, it is bigoted to demand of Jews a standard that their accusers can’t keep either, on pain of racial condemnation.

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    Well, some bigots demand of Jewish people a standard of behavior they don’t expect from their own tribe, and condemn an entire people for what their own do as well without disapprobation.
     
    Be specific.

    What is demanded of Jews that is not expected of any/all other tribes?
    , @Big Bill
    It isn't "bigotry" that expects and sets double standards, it is "Judaism" that does so.

    A fundamental tenet of Judaism is that Jews are literally God-given moral leaders of all humanity. Their duty (not choice) is to "heal the world" (tikkun olam). This is so serious that there is a magazine distributed to Jewish subscribers all over the world called "Tikkun Olam".

    Jews (particularly liberal Jews) deeply believe in this and teach it to every generation. In fact, their duty as God's emissaries on earth is so extreme that Jewish feck - ups are considered to bring shame to GOD not just shame to the Jewish people ("a shanda fur de goyim").

    Jewish men are so proud of their special cosmic duties that they wake every morning and all over the world repeat the same prayer: "Thank you God that you have not made me a woman or a goy."

    When you set yourself up as God's chosen moral leaders to the entire freaking universe, don't get all sulky and wonder why there are double standards. You created them. You teach them. And you will have to live with them
  123. @Anonymous

    I don’t have a problem with zionism I just have a problem with stealing and murdering other people and their land. to put it as simply and unemotionally as I can, fuck the jews.
     
    So what are you doing in California? Jews are more indigenous to Israel than you are to California. Practice what you preach, you hypocrite.

    To Anon. What was done to the indigenous in N. America was done and over by 1850. That was a different Time with different rules.

    The UN declaration of human rights, and the big civil war between Whites was over and the principles of international law established …. before the jews stole Palestine. And then stole it again in 1967, and continue to do the same thing, etc. And it is not just law, there is Public Opinion which had changed for the better…stop invading other people. Something that I think is a good rule. Jews today are cheerleading the invasion of White lands by darkies….another gift from the Jews.

    My father, if I was a jew ( and thank you lord for not making me a jew) would have been guilty, as well as my grandfather , for theft of a country in 1948, but not in 1848, etc. This is obvious.

    Should the injuns have killed every one of us whites starting in 1610? Of course. Should the Arabs kill every last jew now? of course.

    Furthermore, the jews are starting world war three, maybe. No world wars were started by whites invading the Americas. 16 million jews think they are worth , say a billion whites and arabs. They are not worth anything , except what it costs to nuke Israel and their submarines.

    There is that famous rabid rabbi who exclaimed that umpteen thousand arabs are not worth one jew fingernail. right.

    You folks deserve to die for your arrogance alone, not to mention so many other things.. Personally, I would not participate in any jew killing, but I would not lift one fingernail to prevent others from removing you all permanently.

    Joe Webb

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    It doesn't matter what the particular self-serving rules or laws were at some point in the past. Facts are facts. Jews are more indigenous to Israel than you are to California and N. America. As long as you condemn Israel without returning the land and going back to wherever your people came from, you will always be an unprincipled hypocrite with no moral standing. And your lust and calls for violence against Jews and others makes it abundantly clear that you're a moral hypocrite and reprobate motivated by sheer selfishness and animosity.
  124. @Wizard of Oz
    Many people have argued that the bombing of German cities was done in a way which was not properly directed at military advantage and Sir Arthur Harris suffered from that judgment by being unique amongst his British peers in being denied appointment to the House of Lords. The comparison with the treatment of Jews by the SS - and indeed the French police - is absurd. Just as Londoners sent their children, pregnant wives etc to the country during the Blitz so could German civilians in cities likely to be bombed. Jews had no similar or comparable option.

    The facts dictate a dramatically different interpretation of events, Wizard of Oz.

    The British as well as the Americans deliberately planned, prepared, rehearsed and perfected tactics to kill working-class German civilians with the defined goal of provoking terror.

    I don’t know much about the British firebombing campaign.

    I do know that FDR’s administration acquired territory in the desert in Utah at Dugway where they build full-scale and precisely-detailed mock-ups of German and Japanese workers’ housing.

    read about it yourself here —

    http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf

    (note especially p. 16:

    In the bedroom, the single beds were placed together in pairs, with a crib ■adjacent, reflective of a young family with an infant.

    I’m aware that in Israel children are considered a military threat, but the statement above indicates that the U S Air Force was planning and practicing to kill civilians, including infants. There is no way that statement can be stretched or interpreted to suggest the destruction of civilian housing and the residents of same was “collateral damage” in the path to military targets.

    Listen in as Jorg Friedrich describes the psychological campaign that accompanied the firebombing — http://www.c-span.org/video/?196223-1/book-discussion-fire-bombing-germany-19401945
    Friedrich explains that the goal of firebombing was not to kill Hitler and/or the German military & political leadership — they didn’t live in the sort of workers housing that was replicated at Dugway. Rather, the goal was to force the capitulation of the German and Japanese leadership by, in effect, holding German and Japanese civilians hostage and killing them off.

    re “Jews had no option” [to leave cities that were to be firebombed].

    So tell me Wizard, How many Jews died in the firebombing of German cities?
    Are there memorials in the supernumerous museums to the holocaust that memorialize Jews killed in the firebombing of German cities?
    It may be the case that Jews were safer in concentration camps in the East than to remain in German cities.

    Let’s cycle back to a discussion in another article —

    According to Rabbi Stephen Wise, in his autobiography, The Challenging Years, p. 242, and quoted in Edwin Black’s “The Transfer Agreement,” on or before Feb. 14, 1933 Louis Brandeis said to Rabbi Wise, “All Jews must leave Germany. . . . I urge that no Jew remain in Germany.”
    Wise replied, “How shall we get 587,000 people out of Germany?”
    Brandeis waved aside Wise’s incredulity and insisted that the thing must be done: “All Jews must leave Germany.”

    Beyond coincidental that Brandeis directed Wise to get Jews out of Germany — but not Russia, Poland, Hungary, etc. — six years before a war broke out.

    Wizard of Oz wrote:

    “Just as Londoners sent their children, pregnant wives etc to the country during the Blitz so could German civilians in cities likely to be bombed.”

    Number one, seven million people were “de-housed.” How do you move- and where do you find shelter for- 7 million people?

    Second, Dresden was considered a “safe city.” It had no military facilities and it was presumed that its status as a repository of cultural treasures would be respected. For that reason, thousands of refugees sought shelter in Dresden. Dresden was overflowing with persons fleeing other cities threatened by bombing when the Allies bombed it.

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  125. @Fran Macadam
    "PLEEEEEZE explain how it is not bigotry of the highest order to expect JEWS . . .to hew to a higher standard …”

    Well, some bigots demand of Jewish people a standard of behavior they don't expect from their own tribe, and condemn an entire people for what their own do as well without disapprobation.

    So yes, it is bigoted to demand of Jews a standard that their accusers can't keep either, on pain of racial condemnation.

    Well, some bigots demand of Jewish people a standard of behavior they don’t expect from their own tribe, and condemn an entire people for what their own do as well without disapprobation.

    Be specific.

    What is demanded of Jews that is not expected of any/all other tribes?

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  126. @Carroll Price
    There's little doubt that Sepp Blatter and FIFA accept bribes, but so does virtually every other major sports organization. I suspect that the real reason behind why FIFA has incurred the righteous wrath of Israel, is because it is apparently one of the few international sports organizations not being run by the Jewish mafia.

    @FIFA Corruption,

    I am sure that the real corruption of FIFA, UEFA, you name it, is the match-fixing practice. It is universal, as old as the game and in very many cases “intangible” (nobody would ever know what money passed under the table, what favors have been done to third parties, how much money the bidders and bookmakers with inside knowledge made). No doubt FIFA functioned as an extortion racket, a money laundering machine, a cash cow. Actually “the beautiful game” itself is a contraption to milk money from the imbecilic masses. The more idiots fill the stadiums cheering at 22 morons elevated to semi-divine status chasing a ball, the more money line the pockets of the cynical managers of these “circenses” (the most efficient, time-honored means of crowd control and numbing of political dissent). Disband FIFA, let people play football in their back yards just for their and their spectator friends enjoyment, and the World would be hundred times better.
    Russia should renounce to hold the Championship as she renounced the Marshall Plan after the War. Go and play all your championships in England, you invented the game, after all, stick it up… (I mean stick to it).

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  127. @Sam Shama
    We shall see who rides on the wings of Die Walkure!

    Ja, wir werden sehen, als wir vorher schon gesehen haben.

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    Lo.
    Ma she'atem olkhim lirot, ze'yihe raq takhat shelanu, ya ben zona
  128. @International Jew

    Where’s the money coming from?
     
    Probably not much money, but there must be some coming from Unz, and you have to compare it to Giraldi's earning power as a journalist elsewhere, which is close to zero.

    A jew talking about where does the money come from… This is the height of comedy.

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  129. @David
    The idea that Mexicans are not supporters of Israel is wrong. Latin American evangelicals totally accept Israel's legitimacy. They see its existence as a natural historical continuity with the bible. Second to the US, I've heard more Mexicans express an interest in traveling to Israel than to any other country. I'm talking about rural, uneducated types like a lot of those who come here.

    Damn, really? No wonder the hicks in the south are so accepting. Ahh, to be a fly in the Israeli airport.

    Did they miss the episode where Jesus was in the temple chasing out the money changers? Have they not read Luther?
    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

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  130. I don’t find too much of a problem with equating the bombing of major cities with terrorism but I think it is all of a piece with mutual attempts in WW1 to starve the enemy via U boat attacks and blockades. Nothing special there and the concept of war crime would be anachronistic btw.

    The transporting of Jews from occupied Europe to Auschwicz, Treblinka etc was, despite its having an economic aspect through its use of slave labour part of the program which started with the shooting of thousands of Jews in Poland, the Soviet Union and the Baltic States. It was the killing of Jews as untermenschen in accordance with Hitler’s and Himmler’s obsessions.

    I’m not sure what your point is about Brandeis’s wise view. As it happens most Jews who were in Germany in 1933 did escape the Holocaust. As Hitler certainly didn’t want foreigners to understand how ruthless he could be and how far he was willing to go in attacking Jewry it is not surprising that German Jews in the end fared much better than the generally poorer, stranger and much more numerous Ost Juden who were inter alia taking up part of the Lebensraum.

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  131. @Andrei Martyanov
    While FIFA is corrupt to the hilt and so is (was) this bastard Blatter, and, I also strongly feel for US losing a deserved World Cup 2022 to this sh.thole of Qatar, Phil Giraldi, actually, does have the point in his piece.

    Finally, some common sense… I felt that we got jewed, too, but Qatar and Saudi Arabia help the USA against the Shiites which helps Israel against Iran. If we were serious we would get rid of our military base in Qatar.

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  132. @Sam Shama
    I wonder if all you Jew lovers, @Sure thing, @Art, @Nice Gentile Boy, @SolontoCroesus etc, etc, etc, realise the irony:

    You spew venom on a platform provided by a Jew, Ron Keeva Unz, who is hard at work suppressing your freedom.

    Funny how a Jew’s freedom is a function of everyone else losing their freedom.

    Oh, Mr. Schama, since you made the Wagner joke, I’ve attended the Bayreuther Festspiel. I make frequent visits to Wagner’s grave. I’ve probably been there 50 times. This year I couldn’t access it due to the museum they’re building, so I went to pay my respects to Liszt.

    You’re not the Jew who made the BBC History of Britain are you, or is that your cousin? I always found that hilarious, considering what was contained in the Magna Carta, that a Jew with the name of Schama would be lecturing us about the history of Great Britain.

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    @You’re not the Jew who made the BBC History of Britain?

    That one is Simon, but sam(e) BS.
  133. @Fran Macadam
    "The problem with this statement is that it is based on a false premise – the policies to which you refer have little to do with avoiding victimhood, they are meant to benefit (through preferential access to land, water, roads) one group at the expense of another. It’s that simple."

    It's speculative to definitively assign bad motives to adversaries and not helpful in moving forward with solutions that reduce violence based on hatred. You are right that the policies are to protect one ethnic group's interests over another's.

    In the same way, American policies are sold to our public as protecting Americans' interests over that of other peoples, thereby achieving our support for them. It would be prescient to observe that in actuality these policies are against the interests of the vast majority and benefit the same special donorist interests who have bought the policies. The beneficiaries are hardly only Jewish, and the majority of American Jews are left out of their equation as much as every other average American. We all might be guilty of not being as well informed as we ought to be in a Republic that requires more than casual public interest in accountability, but the donorists are doing their utmost to keep us uninformed and themselves unaccountable to the electorate as they move governance behind closed doors. One might say our guilt is that of misinformed self-interest that justifies their policies that we receive nothing good from. Those participating have among them those of Jewish background, but they are most assuredly not the majority, and the loyalties first and foremost are to their own claque of wealth and power, whatever secondary interests there are. An ethnic enclave does contain its own traitors, particularly in leadership.

    One might expect Jews either here or in Israel to hew to a higher standard than the rest of humanity, but all we can observe is that they are in fact as human as the rest of us. As Hannah Arendt most uncomfortably reported the findings of the Eichmann trial, those who betray their own, as happened tragically during the Holocaust, do so out of vain and selfish character and raw self-interest.

    There is no doubt that putting oneself out to at least try to see the adversary's point of view, might create a space of commonality where there is enough to pursue mutual goals and benefits. It is tragic that truly aggrieved groups think they cannot recognize the legitimacy of each other's suffering, out of fear that doing so will undermine their own. The reality is precisely the contrary.

    One might expect Jews either here or in Israel to hew to a higher standard than the rest of humanity

    I typically expect people to hold themselves to the same standard of conduct they hold everyone else.

    Namely, if Jews are going to have their ethnic separatist colony in the Middle East, then I ask them to refrain from criticizing or subverting European colonies or racial segregation/apartheid therein.

    And if they are going to be asking for moral support and material aid and recognition from the West and the West’s colonies, then return the favor and actively denounce those elements from within which do engage in such criticism and/or subversion.

    Some of them ARE so consistent, such as Ilana Mercer (though her father was an anti-apartheid demonstrator – clearly not everything is so simple). Many are not.

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  134. @Carroll Price
    Since Jews admit among themselves that they are in control of every branch of the US government, I really don't understand why they haven't already demanded that Menorahs be installed above the entrances of every public building in Washington, including the Capitol building, the White House, the Pentagon, the Supreme Court building, the State Department building, and of course the US Treasury which came under Jewish control in 1913.

    Hey, time is not lost! Be patient, you’ll see them soon (everywhere). Don’t worry (but not happy).

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  135. @WotansSohn
    Funny how a Jew's freedom is a function of everyone else losing their freedom.

    Oh, Mr. Schama, since you made the Wagner joke, I've attended the Bayreuther Festspiel. I make frequent visits to Wagner's grave. I've probably been there 50 times. This year I couldn't access it due to the museum they're building, so I went to pay my respects to Liszt.

    You're not the Jew who made the BBC History of Britain are you, or is that your cousin? I always found that hilarious, considering what was contained in the Magna Carta, that a Jew with the name of Schama would be lecturing us about the history of Great Britain.

    @You’re not the Jew who made the BBC History of Britain?

    That one is Simon, but sam(e) BS.

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  136. @Sam Shama
    I wonder if all you Jew lovers, @Sure thing, @Art, @Nice Gentile Boy, @SolontoCroesus etc, etc, etc, realise the irony:

    You spew venom on a platform provided by a Jew, Ron Keeva Unz, who is hard at work suppressing your freedom.

    I’ve noticed that numerous times, Sam the Pharaoh.

    It’s one more example of the knock-on effect of organizations like ADL, the holocaust industry, CAMERA, etc. censoring and controlling the discourse. No dynamic website or media outlet of broad reach that I am aware of is not gate-kept by someone who is Jewish.

    I don’t listen to radio anymore — NPR has Jewish gatekeepers, the Irishmen demagogues serve Jewish masters and would not/do not stand up for Palestinian rights , for example, much less American interests in preference to Israel’s and super-sensitivity to Jews similar to the position that Fran Macadam spelled out. Even Democracy Now is run by a Jewish person.

    I haven’t turned on a television set in years.

    I do watch C Span programming and exploit its archive. C Span is massively skewed toward the Jewish-Israel pov; if a C Span moderator failed to bend the knee in front of Israel or Jewish interests, CAMERA or ADL would call him/her on the carpet. What Deborah Lipstadt did to the Connie Doebele was and is shameful and repugnant. It was also a warning that C Span journalists have absorbed: Thou shalt go this far and no farther; we are watching you.
    A tally of the number of times neoconservatives have been hosted by C Span compared to the times persons or groups that I consider more representative of American interests unbiased by obeisance to Israel — persons like Phil Giraldi, Col. Pat Lang, Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett, (who is Jewish and whom I count as a friend), Juan Cole, Stephen Cohen (also Jewish) shows a stark disparity.

    nb. Speaking of Col. Lang — his website, Sic Semper Tyrannis, offers a robust, but moderated, forum for extremely well-informed discussion and debate of US foreign policy and other topics. It does not have the reach that even a forum as limited as Unz.com enjoys. The same might be said of Moon of Alabama, Going to Tehran, and The Vineyard of the Saker.

    A chart of witnesses called to give testimony before US Congress and Senate would display a similar, steep pro-Jewish pro-Israel bias. For example, yesterday Sen. Corker’s committee taking testimony about a P6 -Iran agreement heard Martin Indyk, a strident zionist who has carried water for Israel and Jewish interests for over 30 years, and James Jeffrey, who similarly seems to seek to serve Israel’s and Saudi Arabia’s interests more zealously than those of the American people or even of the rule of law — and common sense– argue that the US Congress should put in place an authorization to use military force against Iran preemptively, against the possibility that an Iran agreement is not concluded, or that Iran fails to comply with an agreement that might be concluded.
    This is an extraordinary proposal that mirrors very closely the activities of primarily Jewish as well as American Anglophiles and the British in engineering a war against Germany.

    The informed views of

    It is not unlikely that Frank Luntz or someone like him functions behind the scenes at C Span.

    It is a slam-dunk certainly that C Span’s 3-hour Washington Journal program functions as a focus group/conditioning agent to discern and then shape the opinions of the American people, all while appearing to be “the most fair and balanced of them all.” I have compiled a back-of-the-envelope (actually, Excel sheet) of the times that various C Span moderators have said, “Do you trust Iran,” or “Can we trust Iran,” and compared that list with the number of times they have asked “Can we trust Israel?” Take a wild guess how that turns out.

    The bottom line is that Jewish voices dominate the discourse, and that Jewish censorship functions to silence other voices and views or at very least to impose a chilling effect on expressions of views that Jews and Israelis do not wish to reach the American public.

    This is as self-indicting and counterproductive to the Jewish people as it is dangerous to the sustenance of the American Constitutional republic.

    “A popular Government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives.” – James Madison

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    "This is as self-indicting and counterproductive to the Jewish people as it is dangerous to the sustenance of the American Constitutional republic."

    So Big Zion made it onto your list of the greatest challenges to the American Republic, after all, ... as it rightly should.
  137. @Fran Macadam
    "PLEEEEEZE explain how it is not bigotry of the highest order to expect JEWS . . .to hew to a higher standard …”

    Well, some bigots demand of Jewish people a standard of behavior they don't expect from their own tribe, and condemn an entire people for what their own do as well without disapprobation.

    So yes, it is bigoted to demand of Jews a standard that their accusers can't keep either, on pain of racial condemnation.

    It isn’t “bigotry” that expects and sets double standards, it is “Judaism” that does so.

    A fundamental tenet of Judaism is that Jews are literally God-given moral leaders of all humanity. Their duty (not choice) is to “heal the world” (tikkun olam). This is so serious that there is a magazine distributed to Jewish subscribers all over the world called “Tikkun Olam”.

    Jews (particularly liberal Jews) deeply believe in this and teach it to every generation. In fact, their duty as God’s emissaries on earth is so extreme that Jewish feck – ups are considered to bring shame to GOD not just shame to the Jewish people (“a shanda fur de goyim”).

    Jewish men are so proud of their special cosmic duties that they wake every morning and all over the world repeat the same prayer: “Thank you God that you have not made me a woman or a goy.”

    When you set yourself up as God’s chosen moral leaders to the entire freaking universe, don’t get all sulky and wonder why there are double standards. You created them. You teach them. And you will have to live with them

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  138. @Sam Shama
    I hereby issue a apology to you (at least a provisional one :-) ). Indeed in this article you did not speak of the Federal Reserve. I am certain I saw it is another post in the Review which ranted on the Fed, with the usual "debasement" claim mixed with a slanted reference to "The Jews" in the Institution.

    I then remembered Ron Paul saying as much, and thus conflated the two together.

    However there is this one,

    "Real people, including thousands of Americans, die and there is no way to avoid a government like ours having to declare insolvency when the credit card comes due, as it eventually will."

    in: http://www.unz.com/article/nazis-on-the-backlot/

    which is the US-bankruptcy-is-inevitable trope typically accompanying Federal Reserve bashing.

    Again apologies.

    Dear Mr Shama,
    and Mr Giraldi,

    It may be that Mr Giraldi is not that familiar with the “economics” of our current “reality”,
    …But I AM…and I have been studying “economics” for over 35 years !
    Our current predicament has little to do with the existence of the “Federal reserve” and everything to do with the fact that our “government ,under the tutelage of the Neocons” has EXCEEDED its income by close to NINE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS per year,on average,every year, over the past FIFTEEN YEARS ! This annualized deficit has MUSHROOMED our National DEBT from 5.6 trillion dollars in 2000 to over 18.25 TRILLION DOLLARS today !
    How do we pay for this OBSCENE OVERSPENDING ?….we borrow money… from future generations of Americans………. Our grand children and great grand children will have to pay back the debt we have accrued today !
    That Borrowing from our FUTURE is where the FEDERAL RESERVE comes in……that Nine hundred billion has to come from somewhere….so we PRINT IT !
    Yes, the Federal reserve “prints” the money we owe the future to pay off the shortfall that we create today !
    …And it is this activity that creates what we all call our “National Debt” !

    It is the amount of money we owe ourselves down the line for all the overspending we do today!

    Now the Obama Administration has actually done a pretty good job navigating us OUT of the financial catastrophe of 2009…and he has raised taxes just enough, and cut spending just enough to generate a bit more revenue and bring our overall” OVERSPENDING” down to 500 billion per year…..that is still a lot…but, at least, it is in the right direction….
    Today, the US Government brings in 3.1 trillion per year and spends 3.6 trillion per year!

    It is still way too much”OVERSPENDING” for our nation to remain solvent !

    On this score, Mr Giraldi is 100% correct and unfortunately for all of us, Mr Shama, its not a “TROPE” its a FACT!

    To be in “Survival shape ” we either need to be bringing in 3.6 and spending 3.6 …or … spending 3.1 trillion and and bringing in 3.1 ! Our government would, in this case, be”balancing the books”, but unfortunately due to the HEINOUS NEOCON OVERSPENDING over the last fifteen years, that is still not enough to stave off our nations eventual insolvency.

    To be in “Fair shape” we would want the revenue the government brings in to exceed what it spends by at least what we owe in INTEREST on our national debt..which at the “current rate” is 250 billion dollars a year. so a “fair shape” scenario would be spending 3.6 and bringing in 3.85 OR bringing in 3.1 and spending 2.85 !

    This scenario balances the books, pays the interest on what we OWE… but still leaves the HUMONGOUS 18.5 trillion National debt in a “deferred state of limbo”.

    To be in “good shape” we would want the revenue the government brings in to exceed what it spends by enough to” balance the books” ,pay the “interest” , and then have a little more to, in fact, pay down the debt… by even a fraction….

    This scenario IS the road to” solvency” , because every year the national debt is reduced ,so too is the interest we have to pay on it. Balancing the books becomes easier , over time, as less of our governments revenue is swallowed by the debt and the interest we pay on it !

    Now , why is the 13 trillion dollars in NEOCON OVERSPENDING over the last 15 years so HEINOUS ?….. because most of that overspending has gone to fighting wars of aggression and ..because “Wars of Aggression: are EVIL, Mr Shama !Its what Hitler did !
    The American People were “defrauded “into a war of aggression in Iraq,by the Neocons..and defrauded out of the ‘trillions” we spent to wage it…To deceive us into doing that is not a “mistake” its a HEINOUS ACT OF TERRORISM !..
    Now I , for one,do not give a HOOT about the “ethnicity” of the DEFRAUDERS…just that they be locked away either in Guantanamo bay or federal prison for doing it !Moreover, EVERY CENT of profit that they made from their DECEPTION needs to be returned to the American People……..
    I do not think Mr Giraldi cares very much about their “ethnicity” either, but in deference to the “integrity” of his character, and his thirty five years experience in his “field”…He has seen this pattern of ” “aggression” , “fraud ” and “deception”, OVER TIME,not emanating from MOROCCO , ( for if it was Morocco, he would SAY SO) but emanating from ISRAEL and its apparent neocon acolytes in the “Office of Special Plans” !….and he doesn’t like it !
    Nobody does !

    The American People do not like to be defrauded into killing other people that never attacked us…And we do not like to be defrauded out of ANY money let alone trillions of dollars, to do it !

    Are you suggesting, Mr Shama, that we SHOULD like it ?

    I appreciate President Obama’s “patronage” in his ascent to the white house, and his apparent need to” tip toe” through the tulips of political temerity, but FRAUD IS FRAUD and these individuals, regardless of their “ethnicity” need to be taken down ! fluffy talk is not enough !

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    Extremely well put!
    , @Sam Shama
    Honestly I have not the inclination to engage you in a meaningful discussion of macroeconomic models and finance. Suffice it to say that your "35 years of study" while certainly exceeding my years, amount to little more than shouting a curious mixture of liquidationism and morality. I do wish you would recognise that economics has very little to do with morality.

    US Budget Deficits have been dropping quite precipitously, if you had not noticed. We have a slight problem on the longer term debt, having to do with rising Healthcare costs, but nothing that cannot be fixed with some more growth and a bit more inflation (core PCE) over 2%. So that is the goal.

    I offer for your enlightenment, the views of a Nobel Laureate:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/us-external-debt-a-curious-case/

    and:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/the-fiscal-future-ii-not-enough-debt/
  139. @Fran Macadam
    The Holocaust Deniers - who are always at the same time conveniently Jew haters. It's an early version of Rod Dreher's Law of Merited Impossibility - it never happened, but if it had, they would have deserved it.

    There is no doubt German society after World War I came under severe stress - defeat, ruinous war reparations, unsustainable loans from Wall Street, ensuing inflation, unemployment, penury, destruction of the middle class, leading to street violence, government instability and messianic demagoguery and scapegoating. Mainstream politicians could offer no solutions because there were no panaceas. At the same time, as with all people, no one wanted to take the blame - neither the people nor political class. Little wonder that a Hitler who assigned all blame to a convenient scapegoat minority and preached revenge could attract a mass following of a population so bereft of ordinary hope. Established morality lost its hold on the people. So discredited, it offered no brake on the excesses that followed.

    Treatises like Nicholson Baker's Human Smoke prove that the atrocities occurred with contributions and complicity from multiple nations, including allies. There are few clean hands.

    And yes, war crimes were committed by all sides. Nevertheless, overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery.

    “The Holocaust Deniers – who are always at the same time conveniently Jew haters. It’s an early version of Rod Dreher’s Law of Merited Impossibility – it never happened, but if it had, they would have deserved it. ……………………………. Nevertheless, overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery.”

    Quite. Could not have put it any better.

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    Nevertheless, overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery.”
     
    Recently Robert Cohen declared that

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited#sthash.G3GTHCEG.dpu
     
    Based on that certainty, surely you have documentation for your bold declaration that

    "overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy,"
     
    and also that theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery were "explicit features of Nazi policy."

    Kindly provide explicit documentation to support those statements.

    Put up or STFU.
  140. @WotansSohn
    Ja, wir werden sehen, als wir vorher schon gesehen haben.

    Lo.
    Ma she’atem olkhim lirot, ze’yihe raq takhat shelanu, ya ben zona

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  141. @Everyone Else
    Below is the culminating sentence of this piece.

    I can smell the camel and if you have ever been close to a camel you know that it is not an experience that one would like to repeat.
     
    The author is trying to provoke the emotion of disgust.

    The purpose of communicating disgust is to dehumanize the object of disgust.

    The purpose of dehumanizing a group of people, is to enable harming them without being restrained by feelings of empathy.

    This piece crosses over from political criticism to the encouragement of physical attack.

    The irony is that if Israel was as evil as described by Giraldi, he'd be afraid to write a piece like this, since he would be killed.

    The facts frame him as a hypocrite and a coward.

    Can you ask Juan Cole, Mr Jovel, Mr Salilata, Helen Thomas, Octavia Nasr, Jim Clancy, ,Sanchez ,Desmond Tutu, whta happened to their rights of free speech, truth telling, jobs and the promotions?

    In UK Labor MP’s and even Tory MPS had to resign party post for saying things that Isarelis discuss among themselves ( apartheid,occupation ) all the times

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  142. @SolontoCroesus
    I've noticed that numerous times, Sam the Pharaoh.

    It's one more example of the knock-on effect of organizations like ADL, the holocaust industry, CAMERA, etc. censoring and controlling the discourse. No dynamic website or media outlet of broad reach that I am aware of is not gate-kept by someone who is Jewish.

    I don't listen to radio anymore -- NPR has Jewish gatekeepers, the Irishmen demagogues serve Jewish masters and would not/do not stand up for Palestinian rights , for example, much less American interests in preference to Israel's and super-sensitivity to Jews similar to the position that Fran Macadam spelled out. Even Democracy Now is run by a Jewish person.

    I haven't turned on a television set in years.

    I do watch C Span programming and exploit its archive. C Span is massively skewed toward the Jewish-Israel pov; if a C Span moderator failed to bend the knee in front of Israel or Jewish interests, CAMERA or ADL would call him/her on the carpet. What Deborah Lipstadt did to the Connie Doebele was and is shameful and repugnant. It was also a warning that C Span journalists have absorbed: Thou shalt go this far and no farther; we are watching you.
    A tally of the number of times neoconservatives have been hosted by C Span compared to the times persons or groups that I consider more representative of American interests unbiased by obeisance to Israel -- persons like Phil Giraldi, Col. Pat Lang, Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett, (who is Jewish and whom I count as a friend), Juan Cole, Stephen Cohen (also Jewish) shows a stark disparity.

    nb. Speaking of Col. Lang -- his website, Sic Semper Tyrannis, offers a robust, but moderated, forum for extremely well-informed discussion and debate of US foreign policy and other topics. It does not have the reach that even a forum as limited as Unz.com enjoys. The same might be said of Moon of Alabama, Going to Tehran, and The Vineyard of the Saker.

    A chart of witnesses called to give testimony before US Congress and Senate would display a similar, steep pro-Jewish pro-Israel bias. For example, yesterday Sen. Corker's committee taking testimony about a P6 -Iran agreement heard Martin Indyk, a strident zionist who has carried water for Israel and Jewish interests for over 30 years, and James Jeffrey, who similarly seems to seek to serve Israel's and Saudi Arabia's interests more zealously than those of the American people or even of the rule of law -- and common sense-- argue that the US Congress should put in place an authorization to use military force against Iran preemptively, against the possibility that an Iran agreement is not concluded, or that Iran fails to comply with an agreement that might be concluded.
    This is an extraordinary proposal that mirrors very closely the activities of primarily Jewish as well as American Anglophiles and the British in engineering a war against Germany.

    The informed views of


    It is not unlikely that Frank Luntz or someone like him functions behind the scenes at C Span.

    It is a slam-dunk certainly that C Span's 3-hour Washington Journal program functions as a focus group/conditioning agent to discern and then shape the opinions of the American people, all while appearing to be "the most fair and balanced of them all." I have compiled a back-of-the-envelope (actually, Excel sheet) of the times that various C Span moderators have said, "Do you trust Iran," or "Can we trust Iran," and compared that list with the number of times they have asked "Can we trust Israel?" Take a wild guess how that turns out.


    The bottom line is that Jewish voices dominate the discourse, and that Jewish censorship functions to silence other voices and views or at very least to impose a chilling effect on expressions of views that Jews and Israelis do not wish to reach the American public.

    This is as self-indicting and counterproductive to the Jewish people as it is dangerous to the sustenance of the American Constitutional republic.


    "A popular Government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives." - James Madison
     

    “This is as self-indicting and counterproductive to the Jewish people as it is dangerous to the sustenance of the American Constitutional republic.”

    So Big Zion made it onto your list of the greatest challenges to the American Republic, after all, … as it rightly should.

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  143. AID TO ISRAEL–

    If that were the case ( that Israel didnt depend on handdouts from US)why Schummer , Ilea Rothan,Liberman,and a few others went out of their way to make sure that no cuts were initiated in aid while cuts acrsoos the board for US services and payments was planned . They even met Israeli lobby and leaders to pass that information.

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  144. @alexander
    Dear Mr Shama,
    and Mr Giraldi,


    It may be that Mr Giraldi is not that familiar with the "economics" of our current "reality",
    ...But I AM...and I have been studying "economics" for over 35 years !
    Our current predicament has little to do with the existence of the "Federal reserve" and everything to do with the fact that our "government ,under the tutelage of the Neocons" has EXCEEDED its income by close to NINE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS per year,on average,every year, over the past FIFTEEN YEARS ! This annualized deficit has MUSHROOMED our National DEBT from 5.6 trillion dollars in 2000 to over 18.25 TRILLION DOLLARS today !
    How do we pay for this OBSCENE OVERSPENDING ?....we borrow money... from future generations of Americans.......... Our grand children and great grand children will have to pay back the debt we have accrued today !
    That Borrowing from our FUTURE is where the FEDERAL RESERVE comes in......that Nine hundred billion has to come from somewhere....so we PRINT IT !
    Yes, the Federal reserve "prints" the money we owe the future to pay off the shortfall that we create today !
    ...And it is this activity that creates what we all call our "National Debt" !

    It is the amount of money we owe ourselves down the line for all the overspending we do today!

    Now the Obama Administration has actually done a pretty good job navigating us OUT of the financial catastrophe of 2009...and he has raised taxes just enough, and cut spending just enough to generate a bit more revenue and bring our overall" OVERSPENDING" down to 500 billion per year.....that is still a lot...but, at least, it is in the right direction....
    Today, the US Government brings in 3.1 trillion per year and spends 3.6 trillion per year!

    It is still way too much"OVERSPENDING" for our nation to remain solvent !

    On this score, Mr Giraldi is 100% correct and unfortunately for all of us, Mr Shama, its not a "TROPE" its a FACT!

    To be in "Survival shape " we either need to be bringing in 3.6 and spending 3.6 ...or ... spending 3.1 trillion and and bringing in 3.1 ! Our government would, in this case, be"balancing the books", but unfortunately due to the HEINOUS NEOCON OVERSPENDING over the last fifteen years, that is still not enough to stave off our nations eventual insolvency.


    To be in "Fair shape" we would want the revenue the government brings in to exceed what it spends by at least what we owe in INTEREST on our national debt..which at the "current rate" is 250 billion dollars a year. so a "fair shape" scenario would be spending 3.6 and bringing in 3.85 OR bringing in 3.1 and spending 2.85 !

    This scenario balances the books, pays the interest on what we OWE... but still leaves the HUMONGOUS 18.5 trillion National debt in a "deferred state of limbo".

    To be in "good shape" we would want the revenue the government brings in to exceed what it spends by enough to" balance the books" ,pay the "interest" , and then have a little more to, in fact, pay down the debt... by even a fraction....

    This scenario IS the road to" solvency" , because every year the national debt is reduced ,so too is the interest we have to pay on it. Balancing the books becomes easier , over time, as less of our governments revenue is swallowed by the debt and the interest we pay on it !

    Now , why is the 13 trillion dollars in NEOCON OVERSPENDING over the last 15 years so HEINOUS ?..... because most of that overspending has gone to fighting wars of aggression and ..because "Wars of Aggression: are EVIL, Mr Shama !Its what Hitler did !
    The American People were "defrauded "into a war of aggression in Iraq,by the Neocons..and defrauded out of the 'trillions" we spent to wage it...To deceive us into doing that is not a "mistake" its a HEINOUS ACT OF TERRORISM !..
    Now I , for one,do not give a HOOT about the "ethnicity" of the DEFRAUDERS...just that they be locked away either in Guantanamo bay or federal prison for doing it !Moreover, EVERY CENT of profit that they made from their DECEPTION needs to be returned to the American People........
    I do not think Mr Giraldi cares very much about their "ethnicity" either, but in deference to the "integrity" of his character, and his thirty five years experience in his "field"...He has seen this pattern of " "aggression" , "fraud " and "deception", OVER TIME,not emanating from MOROCCO , ( for if it was Morocco, he would SAY SO) but emanating from ISRAEL and its apparent neocon acolytes in the "Office of Special Plans" !....and he doesn't like it !
    Nobody does !

    The American People do not like to be defrauded into killing other people that never attacked us...And we do not like to be defrauded out of ANY money let alone trillions of dollars, to do it !

    Are you suggesting, Mr Shama, that we SHOULD like it ?

    I appreciate President Obama's "patronage" in his ascent to the white house, and his apparent need to" tip toe" through the tulips of political temerity, but FRAUD IS FRAUD and these individuals, regardless of their "ethnicity" need to be taken down ! fluffy talk is not enough !

    Extremely well put!

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  145. @Sam Shama
    This is a curious post.

    Your interest and expertise in things scatalogical are only exceeded by your hatred of Jews. Anyone reading your comments -any person un-lobotomised that is - couldn't but dismiss your protestations to not being "auntisemitic (yuk yuk)" as being so much tripe. Or, in your case, (preference noted) scat.

    What is your handle solontoCroesus intended for? that you are the wise Solon advising us Croesuses? (Why don't you use your own bloody name?)

    Observe your own 'shameless' use of the 'Jew' Gertrude Stein's expression, and I offer you my own turn of phrase: There isn't so much "us" in "our" country.

    Sham and the Pharaoh,

    1. That someone else should attach to SolontoCroesus the tag “antisemite” is totally irrelevant to what SolontoCroesus thinks, says and does. Absoluteley meaningless. A fart in a windstorm.

    2. Speaking of scatology — Grate Deign posted a reductio ad absurdum comment that pivoted on a septic system problem. GD expanded on the septic theme by discussing products used while using the toilet.

    SolontoCroesus responded with an extended quote which was written by Etan Bloom in his dissertation for the PhD at Tel Aviv university. The source of the extended quote by Bloom was embedded in the quote. The “scatological” discourse was Bloom’s doing, not that of SolontoCroesus.

    3. I am aware that Gertrude Stein was Jewish. She was also passionately anti-zionist — see her poem/essay, “The Reverie of the Zionist” (1920)

    I know all about the war I have been in France ever since the peace.
    Remember what was said yesterday.
    We can think and we know that we love our country so.
    Can we believe that all Jews are these.
    Let us remember that the little bird of all is not the one that has the singing dell. It sings and it sings and a great many people say it is not pleasant.
    Is it likely that there is real grief.
    Anywhere there are beards and everywhere there are girls and all about there is a wealth of imagery.
    I saw all this to prove that Judaism should be a question of religion.
    Don’t talk about race.
    Race is disgusting if you don’t love your country.

    I don’t want to go to Zion. This is an expression of Shem.

    3. SolontoCroesus IS my own name.
    The aspect of Croesus that animates my identity is not the late king of Lydia’s wealth but his failure to interpret the oracle (or history) properly, which resulted in the defeat of Lydia by Persia and Croesus’s loss of his kingdom.

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    " SolontoCroesus IS my own name"

    How interesting! You must be the chap popularising all the Greek yoghurt at the greengrocer's !

    I would tell all here : Cavete Danaos et dona ferentis!
  146. @Joseph Trumpeldor
    I look forward to the ultimate obsolescence of you crytpoNazi Wasp imbeciles, and to taking a nice long piSS on your graves while singing Havah Negilla...

    What Geraldi is saying must have truth to it, since it elicits mindless ad hominem attacks and name calling of the lowest kind….

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  147. @Sam Shama
    "The Holocaust Deniers – who are always at the same time conveniently Jew haters. It’s an early version of Rod Dreher’s Law of Merited Impossibility – it never happened, but if it had, they would have deserved it. .................................. Nevertheless, overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery."

    Quite. Could not have put it any better.

    Nevertheless, overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery.”

    Recently Robert Cohen declared that

    Holocaust denial will remain a fringe issue. The documentation is secure in its veracity and overwhelming in its volume. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/auschwitz-revisited#sthash.G3GTHCEG.dpu

    Based on that certainty, surely you have documentation for your bold declaration that

    “overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy,”

    and also that theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery were “explicit features of Nazi policy.”

    Kindly provide explicit documentation to support those statements.

    Put up or STFU.

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  148. Quite apart from any valid issues raised [eg., whether it was in US interest to support Israel's foundation, or the many ways in which Israel has abused its power in recent decades especially], I don’t see how it is shocking that Israel is a state that “benefits only one religious group”.

    Despite the comical debate recently about formally writing it down that Israel is a Jewish state, it was indisputably founded as a Jewish state, in order to ensure that there WAS a Jewish state, and most if not all of the discourse on it the past 67 years has referred to it one way or another as “the Jewish state”. Even looking at it purely from a religious perspective, at the time it was founded this idea was not shocking to most people. America may have largely been legally secular in some sense, and fairly egalitarian toward non-Christian citizens as its principles required, but plenty of law and practice biased towards the Christian religion by current standards. MANY Western nations continued to have state churches at the time and the laws on education and many aspects of social life benefited Christians disproportionately. The entire Muslim world operated on the assumption that Islam and the state were massively overlapping where not wholly coextensive.

    A good deal of that is still true today, albeit decreasingly so. In the Muslim world, it has arguably increased since 1948. They of all peoples have no business complaining about identifying the state with one religion.

    And since a majority of the world, Jewish and not, seems agreed on the idea that “Jewish” describes a people as well as a religion [Miliband seemed to think he would have been the UK's first Jewish PM, despite explicitly not following the Jewish faith], there is an equally important dimension. If the Jews are a people, why should their state not be identified as the Jewish state?

    The Arabs aren’t about to declare any of their states multicultural despite Arabs being a conquest population in many of them, and despite the ongoing existence of large pre-Muslim and pre-Arab populations in some of them. The Iranians are a bit more broad-minded, although they have done some work Persianizing the state at various times. They have to be, since Iranians are barely a majority and huge chunks of their history were actually driven by Turkic peoples.

    Westerners have moved away from this attitude, although the average person perhaps less so than the elites. But it was not so long ago that no one would have challenged the idea that the French state is such, the possession of the French people. And not too long before that they even closely identified Frenchness with the Catholic religion. The Irish took a similar view until the day before yesterday. And they likely still see that island as the rightful possession of people whose ancestors were there before 1170, with maybe a bit of flexibility for those whose Old English forebears stuck to the old religion in the convulsions of the Reformation.

    And normally I expect this site to be a place where Westerners generally still favour that attitude.

    It’s fair to note that Jews generally don’t grant these privileges to others and to find it annoying. But overall I’m prepared to grant them the forms of identity and possession and statehood I would like to claim for my own country if I could.

    As to ethnic cleansing, come on. How many countries have not done that?

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    But it was not so long ago that no one would have challenged the idea that the French state is such, the possession of the French people. And not too long before that they even closely identified Frenchness with the Catholic religion.
     
    Indeed.
    It was Jews who erased France's close identification of Frenchness with the Catholic religion.

    That was what the Dreyfuss affair was all about.

    As Ruth Harris explained in a series of lectures at the (Jewish) Mosse Center at University of Wisconsim - Madison, the situation that resulted in Alfred Dreyfuss being imprisoned could have been settled easily and bureaucratically by Christian bureaucrats who had the authority and willingness to to so. They were held off from accomplishing that goal by the behind-the-scenes machinations of Jewish financier Joseph Reinach.

    Through a series of well-placed "investments" -- payoffs to various groups -- as well as duplicitous letters and expressions of deep friendship toward French politician Auguste Scheurer-Kestner, a friendship that proved to be not merely false but cruelly so, Reinach set about accomplishing his goal: blackening the name of and eroding the status of Jesuits, whom Reinach hated, and de-coupling France from its "close identification with the Catholic religion."

    Susannah Heschel's book, "The Aryan Jesus," suggests that Jews bore/bear similar antagonism against Germans for their efforts to define the Christian beliefs of the German people in terms that did not include Jewish beliefs.

    A subtler but similar campaign seeks to erode those elements of Christian identity that define the American political order. Jews and the addle-brained Christo-zionists who have been raptured into fantasizing about Israel as a next-world Disneyland can quote and seek to reenact many of the genocidal practices found in the Old Testament but are not equally conversant with the Sermon on the Mount or the real implications of the Temptations of Jesus.

    How Jewish people identify themselves in Israel is of far far less concern to me than is the distortion in moral, cultural, social and political values sought to be imposed on the United States Constitutional republic by Jewish Israel-firsters and the people they have paid or brainwashed to support them.

  149. @Carroll Price
    Since Jews admit among themselves that they are in control of every branch of the US government, I really don't understand why they haven't already demanded that Menorahs be installed above the entrances of every public building in Washington, including the Capitol building, the White House, the Pentagon, the Supreme Court building, the State Department building, and of course the US Treasury which came under Jewish control in 1913.

    “Since Jews admit among themselves …….”

    Were you that fly I noticed on the wall during the last secret meeting we held? That would explain the command of grammar and prose.

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    Yep Shama, that was me on the wall alright. But shortly after you left the room, a most interesting thing occurred. A fat Jewish banker sitting up near the speaker's platform tried to catch me to sell for a profit.
  150. “But overall I’m prepared to grant them the forms of identity and possession and statehood I would like to claim for my own country if I could.”

    Who do you think may have uttered these words, before? I’ll give you a clue: it rhymes with Sitler.

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  151. @SolontoCroesus
    Sham and the Pharaoh,

    1. That someone else should attach to SolontoCroesus the tag "antisemite" is totally irrelevant to what SolontoCroesus thinks, says and does. Absoluteley meaningless. A fart in a windstorm.

    2. Speaking of scatology --- Grate Deign posted a reductio ad absurdum comment that pivoted on a septic system problem. GD expanded on the septic theme by discussing products used while using the toilet.

    SolontoCroesus responded with an extended quote which was written by Etan Bloom in his dissertation for the PhD at Tel Aviv university. The source of the extended quote by Bloom was embedded in the quote. The "scatological" discourse was Bloom's doing, not that of SolontoCroesus.

    3. I am aware that Gertrude Stein was Jewish. She was also passionately anti-zionist -- see her poem/essay, "The Reverie of the Zionist" (1920)

    I know all about the war I have been in France ever since the peace.
    Remember what was said yesterday.
    We can think and we know that we love our country so.
    Can we believe that all Jews are these.
    Let us remember that the little bird of all is not the one that has the singing dell. It sings and it sings and a great many people say it is not pleasant.
    Is it likely that there is real grief.
    Anywhere there are beards and everywhere there are girls and all about there is a wealth of imagery.
    I saw all this to prove that Judaism should be a question of religion.
    Don’t talk about race.
    Race is disgusting if you don’t love your country.

    I don’t want to go to Zion. This is an expression of Shem.

    3. SolontoCroesus IS my own name.
    The aspect of Croesus that animates my identity is not the late king of Lydia's wealth but his failure to interpret the oracle (or history) properly, which resulted in the defeat of Lydia by Persia and Croesus's loss of his kingdom.

    ” SolontoCroesus IS my own name”

    How interesting! You must be the chap popularising all the Greek yoghurt at the greengrocer’s !

    I would tell all here : Cavete Danaos et dona ferentis!

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Croesus was Lydian.

    Answer the question ---


    http://www.unz.com/article/keep-your-eye-on-the-camel/#comment-967469
  152. @random observer
    Quite apart from any valid issues raised [eg., whether it was in US interest to support Israel's foundation, or the many ways in which Israel has abused its power in recent decades especially], I don't see how it is shocking that Israel is a state that "benefits only one religious group".

    Despite the comical debate recently about formally writing it down that Israel is a Jewish state, it was indisputably founded as a Jewish state, in order to ensure that there WAS a Jewish state, and most if not all of the discourse on it the past 67 years has referred to it one way or another as "the Jewish state". Even looking at it purely from a religious perspective, at the time it was founded this idea was not shocking to most people. America may have largely been legally secular in some sense, and fairly egalitarian toward non-Christian citizens as its principles required, but plenty of law and practice biased towards the Christian religion by current standards. MANY Western nations continued to have state churches at the time and the laws on education and many aspects of social life benefited Christians disproportionately. The entire Muslim world operated on the assumption that Islam and the state were massively overlapping where not wholly coextensive.

    A good deal of that is still true today, albeit decreasingly so. In the Muslim world, it has arguably increased since 1948. They of all peoples have no business complaining about identifying the state with one religion.

    And since a majority of the world, Jewish and not, seems agreed on the idea that "Jewish" describes a people as well as a religion [Miliband seemed to think he would have been the UK's first Jewish PM, despite explicitly not following the Jewish faith], there is an equally important dimension. If the Jews are a people, why should their state not be identified as the Jewish state?

    The Arabs aren't about to declare any of their states multicultural despite Arabs being a conquest population in many of them, and despite the ongoing existence of large pre-Muslim and pre-Arab populations in some of them. The Iranians are a bit more broad-minded, although they have done some work Persianizing the state at various times. They have to be, since Iranians are barely a majority and huge chunks of their history were actually driven by Turkic peoples.

    Westerners have moved away from this attitude, although the average person perhaps less so than the elites. But it was not so long ago that no one would have challenged the idea that the French state is such, the possession of the French people. And not too long before that they even closely identified Frenchness with the Catholic religion. The Irish took a similar view until the day before yesterday. And they likely still see that island as the rightful possession of people whose ancestors were there before 1170, with maybe a bit of flexibility for those whose Old English forebears stuck to the old religion in the convulsions of the Reformation.

    And normally I expect this site to be a place where Westerners generally still favour that attitude.

    It's fair to note that Jews generally don't grant these privileges to others and to find it annoying. But overall I'm prepared to grant them the forms of identity and possession and statehood I would like to claim for my own country if I could.

    As to ethnic cleansing, come on. How many countries have not done that?

    But it was not so long ago that no one would have challenged the idea that the French state is such, the possession of the French people. And not too long before that they even closely identified Frenchness with the Catholic religion.

    Indeed.
    It was Jews who erased France’s close identification of Frenchness with the Catholic religion.

    That was what the Dreyfuss affair was all about.

    As Ruth Harris explained in a series of lectures at the (Jewish) Mosse Center at University of Wisconsim – Madison, the situation that resulted in Alfred Dreyfuss being imprisoned could have been settled easily and bureaucratically by Christian bureaucrats who had the authority and willingness to to so. They were held off from accomplishing that goal by the behind-the-scenes machinations of Jewish financier Joseph Reinach.

    Through a series of well-placed “investments” — payoffs to various groups — as well as duplicitous letters and expressions of deep friendship toward French politician Auguste Scheurer-Kestner, a friendship that proved to be not merely false but cruelly so, Reinach set about accomplishing his goal: blackening the name of and eroding the status of Jesuits, whom Reinach hated, and de-coupling France from its “close identification with the Catholic religion.”

    Susannah Heschel’s book, “The Aryan Jesus,” suggests that Jews bore/bear similar antagonism against Germans for their efforts to define the Christian beliefs of the German people in terms that did not include Jewish beliefs.

    A subtler but similar campaign seeks to erode those elements of Christian identity that define the American political order. Jews and the addle-brained Christo-zionists who have been raptured into fantasizing about Israel as a next-world Disneyland can quote and seek to reenact many of the genocidal practices found in the Old Testament but are not equally conversant with the Sermon on the Mount or the real implications of the Temptations of Jesus.

    How Jewish people identify themselves in Israel is of far far less concern to me than is the distortion in moral, cultural, social and political values sought to be imposed on the United States Constitutional republic by Jewish Israel-firsters and the people they have paid or brainwashed to support them.

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  153. @Sam Shama
    " SolontoCroesus IS my own name"

    How interesting! You must be the chap popularising all the Greek yoghurt at the greengrocer's !

    I would tell all here : Cavete Danaos et dona ferentis!
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    After you produce proof of your name and Lydian citizenship
  154. @alexander
    Dear Mr Shama,
    and Mr Giraldi,


    It may be that Mr Giraldi is not that familiar with the "economics" of our current "reality",
    ...But I AM...and I have been studying "economics" for over 35 years !
    Our current predicament has little to do with the existence of the "Federal reserve" and everything to do with the fact that our "government ,under the tutelage of the Neocons" has EXCEEDED its income by close to NINE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS per year,on average,every year, over the past FIFTEEN YEARS ! This annualized deficit has MUSHROOMED our National DEBT from 5.6 trillion dollars in 2000 to over 18.25 TRILLION DOLLARS today !
    How do we pay for this OBSCENE OVERSPENDING ?....we borrow money... from future generations of Americans.......... Our grand children and great grand children will have to pay back the debt we have accrued today !
    That Borrowing from our FUTURE is where the FEDERAL RESERVE comes in......that Nine hundred billion has to come from somewhere....so we PRINT IT !
    Yes, the Federal reserve "prints" the money we owe the future to pay off the shortfall that we create today !
    ...And it is this activity that creates what we all call our "National Debt" !

    It is the amount of money we owe ourselves down the line for all the overspending we do today!

    Now the Obama Administration has actually done a pretty good job navigating us OUT of the financial catastrophe of 2009...and he has raised taxes just enough, and cut spending just enough to generate a bit more revenue and bring our overall" OVERSPENDING" down to 500 billion per year.....that is still a lot...but, at least, it is in the right direction....
    Today, the US Government brings in 3.1 trillion per year and spends 3.6 trillion per year!

    It is still way too much"OVERSPENDING" for our nation to remain solvent !

    On this score, Mr Giraldi is 100% correct and unfortunately for all of us, Mr Shama, its not a "TROPE" its a FACT!

    To be in "Survival shape " we either need to be bringing in 3.6 and spending 3.6 ...or ... spending 3.1 trillion and and bringing in 3.1 ! Our government would, in this case, be"balancing the books", but unfortunately due to the HEINOUS NEOCON OVERSPENDING over the last fifteen years, that is still not enough to stave off our nations eventual insolvency.


    To be in "Fair shape" we would want the revenue the government brings in to exceed what it spends by at least what we owe in INTEREST on our national debt..which at the "current rate" is 250 billion dollars a year. so a "fair shape" scenario would be spending 3.6 and bringing in 3.85 OR bringing in 3.1 and spending 2.85 !

    This scenario balances the books, pays the interest on what we OWE... but still leaves the HUMONGOUS 18.5 trillion National debt in a "deferred state of limbo".

    To be in "good shape" we would want the revenue the government brings in to exceed what it spends by enough to" balance the books" ,pay the "interest" , and then have a little more to, in fact, pay down the debt... by even a fraction....

    This scenario IS the road to" solvency" , because every year the national debt is reduced ,so too is the interest we have to pay on it. Balancing the books becomes easier , over time, as less of our governments revenue is swallowed by the debt and the interest we pay on it !

    Now , why is the 13 trillion dollars in NEOCON OVERSPENDING over the last 15 years so HEINOUS ?..... because most of that overspending has gone to fighting wars of aggression and ..because "Wars of Aggression: are EVIL, Mr Shama !Its what Hitler did !
    The American People were "defrauded "into a war of aggression in Iraq,by the Neocons..and defrauded out of the 'trillions" we spent to wage it...To deceive us into doing that is not a "mistake" its a HEINOUS ACT OF TERRORISM !..
    Now I , for one,do not give a HOOT about the "ethnicity" of the DEFRAUDERS...just that they be locked away either in Guantanamo bay or federal prison for doing it !Moreover, EVERY CENT of profit that they made from their DECEPTION needs to be returned to the American People........
    I do not think Mr Giraldi cares very much about their "ethnicity" either, but in deference to the "integrity" of his character, and his thirty five years experience in his "field"...He has seen this pattern of " "aggression" , "fraud " and "deception", OVER TIME,not emanating from MOROCCO , ( for if it was Morocco, he would SAY SO) but emanating from ISRAEL and its apparent neocon acolytes in the "Office of Special Plans" !....and he doesn't like it !
    Nobody does !

    The American People do not like to be defrauded into killing other people that never attacked us...And we do not like to be defrauded out of ANY money let alone trillions of dollars, to do it !

    Are you suggesting, Mr Shama, that we SHOULD like it ?

    I appreciate President Obama's "patronage" in his ascent to the white house, and his apparent need to" tip toe" through the tulips of political temerity, but FRAUD IS FRAUD and these individuals, regardless of their "ethnicity" need to be taken down ! fluffy talk is not enough !

    Honestly I have not the inclination to engage you in a meaningful discussion of macroeconomic models and finance. Suffice it to say that your “35 years of study” while certainly exceeding my years, amount to little more than shouting a curious mixture of liquidationism and morality. I do wish you would recognise that economics has very little to do with morality.

    US Budget Deficits have been dropping quite precipitously, if you had not noticed. We have a slight problem on the longer term debt, having to do with rising Healthcare costs, but nothing that cannot be fixed with some more growth and a bit more inflation (core PCE) over 2%. So that is the goal.

    I offer for your enlightenment, the views of a Nobel Laureate:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/us-external-debt-a-curious-case/

    and:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/the-fiscal-future-ii-not-enough-debt/

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    Dear Mr Shama,

    I am sure you are a very fine person.
    But I do not know how it might be possible to engage someone who refers to my reciting of the very basic facts of our governments cash flow (REVENUES/EXPENSES) as a ....."CURIOUS LIQUIDATIONISM "

    I am a reasonably well educated person but I have no idea what a " CURIOUS LIQUIDATIONISM
    " is ?

    But I am CURIOUS why the American people should have to PAY for a WAR that we were DEFRAUDED into fighting ?

    Shouldn't the individuals who defrauded us ...PAY FOR IT ??

    I say... put them in" Guantanamo Bay "until they do !
  155. At the risk of inciting to genocide by using an animal analogy, Jews (and some other people as well, like Americans but not, I insist, not Iranians and not Palestinians) are like the birds who have been spreading straw in the eaves above the front door over the past week.

    They hang their lengths of straw and grass all across the beam, not building a nest but seemingly just marking the territory.
    Since the straw hangs down and would annoy or dirty the postman and anyone else passing through the front door, I remove the straw.
    The next day the territory-markers are back in place. I remove them and by the end of the day they are back.

    The neighborhood is surrounded by trees — trees everywhere, big trees, small trees, bushy and spindly trees and bushes a-plenty. The birds can fly to any level of the trees that they desire — levels that the average person cannot reach.

    Why do they feel compelled to claim territory at my front door?

    PS I should add that birds have already made use of an opening to the attic to build there nest, lay their eggs and hatch them. All in the safety and security — and dearly paid for heat — of my attic space. No problem. We can share. Nurturing new life is a wonderful thing.

    But now you seek to keep your bird’s beak/camel’s nose in my tent at my front door.
    Enough.

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    Have you the title to the property you call your own, including proof of payment? Because apparently some Others dispute this mendacious claim.

    The Birds on the other hand, fly where they will, and have the documents that pre-date anyone else's.
  156. @SolontoCroesus
    Croesus was Lydian.

    Answer the question ---


    http://www.unz.com/article/keep-your-eye-on-the-camel/#comment-967469

    After you produce proof of your name and Lydian citizenship

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  157. In other words you do not have documentary evidence and cannot prove in a credible way that

    overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery.

    In a court of law, when one side cannot prove his case, he is called the loser.

    In a debate, when one side cannot prove his case, he is called the loser.

    In the rational world, when one recognizes that he cannot prove his argument, he changes his argument or is deemed non compos mentis

    So which is it:
    Are you ignorant?
    Are you insane?
    Talking out of your ass?
    Or a goddam liar?

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    Not to add fuel to the fire, but I'll go with goddam liar.
  158. @SolontoCroesus
    At the risk of inciting to genocide by using an animal analogy, Jews (and some other people as well, like Americans but not, I insist, not Iranians and not Palestinians) are like the birds who have been spreading straw in the eaves above the front door over the past week.

    They hang their lengths of straw and grass all across the beam, not building a nest but seemingly just marking the territory.
    Since the straw hangs down and would annoy or dirty the postman and anyone else passing through the front door, I remove the straw.
    The next day the territory-markers are back in place. I remove them and by the end of the day they are back.

    The neighborhood is surrounded by trees -- trees everywhere, big trees, small trees, bushy and spindly trees and bushes a-plenty. The birds can fly to any level of the trees that they desire -- levels that the average person cannot reach.

    Why do they feel compelled to claim territory at my front door?

    PS I should add that birds have already made use of an opening to the attic to build there nest, lay their eggs and hatch them. All in the safety and security -- and dearly paid for heat -- of my attic space. No problem. We can share. Nurturing new life is a wonderful thing.

    But now you seek to keep your bird's beak/camel's nose in my tent at my front door.
    Enough.

    Have you the title to the property you call your own, including proof of payment? Because apparently some Others dispute this mendacious claim.

    The Birds on the other hand, fly where they will, and have the documents that pre-date anyone else’s.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    stop embarrassing yourself Sam Shama.

    You cannot stand behind wild-ass claims that you made.

    Don't try to Weisel [sic] out of the situation with lame attempts at humor.

    You are a liar.

    You & others you support lied as a result of which millions of people died.
  159. @SolontoCroesus
    In other words you do not have documentary evidence and cannot prove in a credible way that

    overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery.
     
    In a court of law, when one side cannot prove his case, he is called the loser.

    In a debate, when one side cannot prove his case, he is called the loser.

    In the rational world, when one recognizes that he cannot prove his argument, he changes his argument or is deemed non compos mentis


    So which is it:
    Are you ignorant?
    Are you insane?
    Talking out of your ass?
    Or a goddam liar?

    Not to add fuel to the fire, but I’ll go with goddam liar.

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  160. @Sam Shama
    Have you the title to the property you call your own, including proof of payment? Because apparently some Others dispute this mendacious claim.

    The Birds on the other hand, fly where they will, and have the documents that pre-date anyone else's.

    stop embarrassing yourself Sam Shama.

    You cannot stand behind wild-ass claims that you made.

    Don’t try to Weisel [sic] out of the situation with lame attempts at humor.

    You are a liar.

    You & others you support lied as a result of which millions of people died.

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    "Don’t try to Weisel [sic] out of the situation....."

    Not at all, as we remain vigilant that you not Heydrich [sic] it.
  161. I see (upon returning from a bit of portfolio re-balancing), the members of the Holocaust Denial bestiary have been hard at work:

    http://www.unz.com/article/keep-your-eye-on-the-camel/#comment-967587

    and

    http://www.unz.com/article/keep-your-eye-on-the-camel/#comment-967603

    among numerous others.

    At the risk of bestowing respectability on the repugnant claims, it falls on Yours truly, to observe on behalf of the civilised world, that the documents relating to the “Final Solution” and extermination of the Untermensch, was restricted to only the very top echelons of the Nazi leadership and destroyed just prior to defeat in 1945. All of this was revealed during the Nuremberg Trials.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#cite_note-Schmuhl-5

    and

    https://books.google.com/books?id=gjOO6ui8SIkC&pg=PA186&vq=nearly+all+wartime+documentation&dq=%22Zamo%C5%9B%C4%87+Uprising%22+-wikipedia&source=gbs_search_s&sig=HXqsSX2FqIasbygYMEuzWv_iMzo&hl=en#v=onepage&q=nearly%20all%20wartime%20documentation&f=false

    So naturally, today, the children of the erstwhile butchers, fully complicit in the crime ask for documentation.

    There should some limits one would hope, nay demand, for scurrilous commentary.

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  162. @Sam Shama
    "Since Jews admit among themselves ......."

    Were you that fly I noticed on the wall during the last secret meeting we held? That would explain the command of grammar and prose.

    Yep Shama, that was me on the wall alright. But shortly after you left the room, a most interesting thing occurred. A fat Jewish banker sitting up near the speaker’s platform tried to catch me to sell for a profit.

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    inadvisable use of effort, I must say, for mere simoleon, with the added risk of foot-in-mouth disease.
  163. Mr. Giraldi you say that you have never been a Holocaust Denier, yet have no compunction about extending the platform for it, to so many here.

    Still I suppose,”… it’s quite allright”, as my Survivor Grandmother would say, whenever confronted by the very same behaviour.

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    Who has denied the concentration camps, or that the Nazis wished to rid Germany of Jews and play with demographics in conquered lands? One can acknowledge those things and still see holes in the official story.

    Even if the official story is 100% correct, it doesn't put Americans on the hook for Israel, or excuse the obvious corruption that the Jewish and Israeli lobbies have brought to our shores.
    , @Art
    “Mr. Giraldi you say that you have never been a Holocaust Denier, yet have no compunction about extending the platform for it, to so many here.”

    Sammie – Sorry Little Jew child, you do NOT get to tell your lies forever and ever. 55,000,000 people died in that dam war – Russians, Poles, Germans, Japanese, Brits, Americans, Chinese, and yes some Jews – NOT six million.

    You Jews are not blameless – your Big Jew bankers put Germany in grave financial debt - in typical fashion, you lemming like Little Jews took advantage of that and took over German culture. You come by people’s hate for you honestly. The blood of the 55,000,000 is in part on YOU JEWS.

    Little Jew child - six million Jews did not die in WWII, Israel is an apartheid state, your Big Jew bankers are evil – you are turning America’s culture upside down - the obvious question is “are you Jews an existential threat to America, like you were to Germany after WWI?”
  164. No doubt Phil Giraldi is near to the side of the angels, but the Devil has certainly dispatched his own to discredit him through proximity to his possessed in the Comments section.

    I find it ridiculous that some of these invincibly ignorant would actually make universalist ad hominem attacks based on Jewish ethnicity alone … by misquoting the religious leader formerly known as Yeshua.

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    "....by misquoting the religious leader formerly known as Yeshua."

    Indeed.

    Sic luceat lux
  165. @SolontoCroesus
    stop embarrassing yourself Sam Shama.

    You cannot stand behind wild-ass claims that you made.

    Don't try to Weisel [sic] out of the situation with lame attempts at humor.

    You are a liar.

    You & others you support lied as a result of which millions of people died.

    “Don’t try to Weisel [sic] out of the situation…..”

    Not at all, as we remain vigilant that you not Heydrich [sic] it.

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    Bravo, I have the same suspicions. And, I am enjoying the wailing of the Israel Firsters.

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  167. @Sam Shama
    Mr. Giraldi you say that you have never been a Holocaust Denier, yet have no compunction about extending the platform for it, to so many here.

    Still I suppose,"... it's quite allright", as my Survivor Grandmother would say, whenever confronted by the very same behaviour.

    Who has denied the concentration camps, or that the Nazis wished to rid Germany of Jews and play with demographics in conquered lands? One can acknowledge those things and still see holes in the official story.

    Even if the official story is 100% correct, it doesn’t put Americans on the hook for Israel, or excuse the obvious corruption that the Jewish and Israeli lobbies have brought to our shores.

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  168. @Carroll Price
    Yep Shama, that was me on the wall alright. But shortly after you left the room, a most interesting thing occurred. A fat Jewish banker sitting up near the speaker's platform tried to catch me to sell for a profit.

    inadvisable use of effort, I must say, for mere simoleon, with the added risk of foot-in-mouth disease.

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  169. @Fran Macadam
    No doubt Phil Giraldi is near to the side of the angels, but the Devil has certainly dispatched his own to discredit him through proximity to his possessed in the Comments section.

    I find it ridiculous that some of these invincibly ignorant would actually make universalist ad hominem attacks based on Jewish ethnicity alone ... by misquoting the religious leader formerly known as Yeshua.

    “….by misquoting the religious leader formerly known as Yeshua.”

    Indeed.

    Sic luceat lux

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  170. I was preparing a small apology for being so hard on you, Shama.

    I was in the process of reviewing this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmkmwuDAy90#t=1675 in which Dana Karon says (~ 43 min) — (my unedited notes/transcript)

    “My name is Dana Karon.

    [Karon explains how intensely zionist she and her family and upbringing and schooling in Israel were, but that now she and her parents have left Israel]

    I’m a junior [now] at University of Maryland. . . . A lot of what I read has not been honest, has not been true. I really feel betrayed sometimes when I read the news. . . .I haven’t been told the honest truth. What I’ve been told by my parents, in synagogue hasn’t been the honest truth. So I think it needs to start from the top. If we’re going to educate children and younger people we need to start being honest with our people, our children and our families. Because we can’t expect change to come from the bottom. [Applause]”

    . . .

    Closing: Beinart, “Palestinians have not given zionism a fair chance.”

    after program ended, Mark Golub of Shalom TV interviewed Karon and re-framed her comment.

    Karon pointed to most specifically to the Map of Israel: “what Israel looks like on the globe is not what Israel looks like …
    Golub: once again soft-soaps the map — “In America we are not shown that map.” Any other examples?
    Karon: “How Israel came to be is distorted.”
    Golub: give me an example
    Karon: Were Palestinians kicked out or did they leave on their own …
    Golub: once again plays with Karon’s mind & framing.
    Karon: “I’m not sure . . . I don’t know…”
    Golub: What would you want Israel to do?
    Karon: It doesn’t match up with what should happen. It all should be a Jewish state but that is not just, the Palestinians deserve a state. As long as Israel is an occupier it is not a Jewish and democratic state and that is not okay with me. … My family lives here now…
    Golub: Does your family have security issues?
    Karon: [short answer -- Yes].
    Golub: Most Israelis say to me we are prepared to … with palestinians who are prepared to live with Jews side by side where no parent lives in fear of danger to their child . . . if you could guarantee to me that Palestinians would make those kinds of compromises we would be willing to give up land. . . Does that represent, in your view, mainstream Israeli thinking?
    Karon: says yes, in effect.


    I was going to say, Sam, that I was harsh in calling you a liar because perhaps you, too, had been lied to.

    I’m reading Russian literature — Turgenev’s “Fathers and Sons,” and Dostoevsky’s “Brothers Karamazov.”
    “Fathers and Sons” incorporates an explication of the concept of nihilism that swept Russia in the 1860s (and later), the “golden age” of Russian literature and also the earliest days of the Haskalah Movement in Russia — the Great Awakening of Jewish Russians to the secular learning emanating from Germany and catching hold in Russia.

    In “Fathers and Sons,” the nihilist conflict has its roots in Genesis 22 — The Binding of Isaac.

    I didn’t realize this until reading Turgenev — Isaac was 32 or 33 years old when Abraham took him to the wilderness and took all the steps to slay him on an altar to Yahweh.

    The concept of “binding” refers not only to the fact that a 32-year old would have to be bound hand and foot in order to be slain, but more importantly, to the deeper meaning of the exercise: Abraham was binding Isaac to the Tribe, under threat of death. It was essential that Isaac buy into the value system of the tribe of Abraham in order to ensure its continuity.

    Nihilists rejected the old values.

    Many young Russian Jews rejected the old Jewish orthodoxies in favor of the new, secular learning they were absorbing at universities in Odessa, Germany and Vienna. These young Jews were a threat to the perpetuation of the Jewish tribe.

    So whatever means were necessary — not excluding killing or dispossessing their own children, were employed to keep the kids in the tribe.

    Ruth Wisse explains that the real story of “Fiddler on the Roof” is that when the daughter married a Christian and went away with him, her father considered her as dead.

    Jews go to great lengths to ensure that their tribal values will be carried on, and as the whole of the linked video gives evidence, Jews in the USA have undertaken extraordinary means to ensure that their “children” believe and buy into the dogma of zionism and Israel.

    more and more and more can be told, for example, about the nihilism of people like Leo Strauss, Michael Ledeen & the neoconservatives, and of Erich Mendelsohn, one of the most notorious examples of Jewish nihilism — when it involves other people’s children and cultures being destroy.

    But not now —
    You plopped this bull-pucky in our midst.

    At the risk of bestowing respectability on the repugnant claims, it falls on Yours truly, to observe on behalf of the civilised world, that the documents relating to the “Final Solution” and extermination of the Untermensch, was restricted to only the very top echelons of the Nazi leadership and destroyed just prior to defeat in 1945. All of this was revealed during the Nuremberg Trials.

    Bullshit from start to finish.

    Documents that were cherry-picked for the kangaroo trials that were Nuremberg were selected from the mass of documents that the Allies acquired in the waning days of Germany’s war.

    Here’s what William Shirer says about documentation of the war, in “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” –

    “Though I lived and worked in the Third Reich during [its] first half . . .this personal experience would not have led me to attempt to write this book had there not occurred at the end of World War II an event unique in history.
    This was the capture of most of the confidential archives of the German government and all its branches, including those of the Foreign Office, the Army and Navy, the National Socialist Party and Heinrich Himmler’s secret police. Never before, I believe, has such a vast treasure fallen into the hands of contemporary historians. Hitherto the archives of a great state, even when it was defeated in war and its government overthrown by revolution, as happened to Germany and Russia in 1918, were preserved by it, and only those documents which served the interests of the subsequent ruling regime were ultimately published.
    The swift collapse of the Third Reich in the spring of 1945 resulted in the surrender not only of a vast bulk of its secret papers but of other priceless material such as private diaries, highly secret speeches, conference reports and correspondence, and even transcripts of telephone conversations of the Nazi leaders tapped by a special office set up by Hermann Goering in the Air Ministry.
    . . .

    The 445 tons of records of the German Foreign Office, captured by the U.S. First Army . . .just as they were about to be burned on orders from Berlin, . . .go back to the Weimar Republic and . . .Bismarck. For many years after the war tons of Nazi documents lay sealed in a large U.S. Army warehouse in Alexandria, VA. . . . [I]n 1955. . .thanks to the initiative of the American Historical Association and the generosity of a couple of private foundations, the Alexandria papers were opened and a pitifully small group of scholars . . .went to work to sift through them and photograph them before the government . . .returned them to Germany. . . .

    Hundreds of thousands of captured Nazi documents were hurriedly assembled at Nuremberg as evidence in the trial of major Nazi war criminals . . .”

    In a speech about his book, 1939: The War That had Many Fathers,” Maj. Gen. (Ret.) Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof recounts that he was confused when comparing original statistics he uncovered from documents held in another country, with those posted in supposed-official papers of the Third Reich. A colleague explained to him that the “Official” German documents had been compiled by the Americans. I suppose they were among those 445 tons of documents that “private foundations” in the USA arranged to have copied — and doctored? — before returning them to Germany.

    I must admit, dear Sam, I did not open the wikipedia links. I and much of the rest of the world with an IQ at least at the mean temperature in Alaska, are aware that Israel has agents who jigger information on Wikipedia. It is as reliable as the documents the USA copied and returned to Germany.

    Phil Giraldi speaks for himself. Yes, this is his column/article space, on a website owned by Mr. Unz. I don’t know Unz but I have met Phil. There is no limit to the respect I have for Dr. Phil Giraldi. His courage is an inspiration and a goad, that I must put every ounce of my energy and intellect to the task of seeking out and offering up the most soundly-based information I can find, because the constitutional republic of the United States can only function when its foundation is “plumb, square and level” (I’m a journeyman not a scholar like Giraldi; it’s a tremendous handicap but I do what I can with what I’ve got).

    For myself, I repeat: I am not a holocaust “denier.” I refuse to be boxed in that frame.
    I think the holocaust narrative is a lie.
    I believe it is essential for the American people to unpack that set of lies and tell the truth to themselves about how the USA was drawn into World War II and how it fought it, and the debt it owes to the people it killed.
    I believe the telling of those truths are essential if the seriously listing ship of the US Constitutional republic is to be set aright.

    The best information that I have found to this date persuades me that much of what has been handed down as dogma about the holocaust of Jewish people is propaganda. The holocaust narrative is a seamless arc from 1900 when Rabbi Stephen Wise published his first reports about “6 million Jews” being persecuted; through the period between 1933 and 1941 when, as Lynne Olson writes in “Those Angry Days,” the people of the United States were bombarded with “propaganda, disinformation, character assassination, criminal behavior” in the process of “educating them” on the evilness of the German people and the necessity of the people of the USA to kill them.

    Cycle back to Dana Karon, who complained that she was taught lies about “the map of Israel” and “whether Palestinians were forced out, or left on their own, or were never there at all.”

    If those things were lies, as Karon says they were but about which Golub was eager to plant seeds of doubt — as well as veiled threats of disloyalty to Israel — what else have people been lied to about in the case of Israel?

    If the “pitifully few scholars . . . paid by private foundations in the U.S.A” had found in the 450 tons of highly confidential NSDAP documents slam-dunk proof that the German government planned and carried out a deliberate campaign to exterminate Jews just because they were Jewish or did not have blonde hair and blue eyes, then don’t you suppose those documents would have been replicated and displayed at every museum to the alleged holocaust that US and other country’s taxpayers money has built?

    re your “survivor grandmother.”
    Stow it, won’t you please?
    The world is sick of Jewish appeal ad misericordiam.
    I think I would have cherished my grandmothers if I had ever known them. I never felt my grandmothers’s arms around me.
    You’ve overplayed your hand, however, and about your grandmother, frankly Mr. Shama, I don’t give a damn.

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    EDIT:

    re:

    The holocaust narrative is a seamless arc from 1900 when Rabbi Stephen Wise published his first reports about “6 million Jews” being persecuted; through the period between 1933 and 1941 when, as Lynne Olson writes in “Those Angry Days,” the people of the United States were bombarded with “propaganda, disinformation, character assassination, criminal behavior” in the process of “educating them” on the evilness of the German people and the necessity of the people of the USA to kill them, to the kangaroo-court Nuremberg trials based on cherry-picked evidence with parties included precisely to conceal the war crimes of the "victors;" to this very day when Israel's agents appear before the US Senate and offer up more lies in a bid to pass legislation that would, in effect, commit the USA to a permanent state of war against Iran. .
     
  171. @SolontoCroesus
    I was preparing a small apology for being so hard on you, Shama.

    I was in the process of reviewing this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmkmwuDAy90#t=1675 in which Dana Karon says (~ 43 min) -- (my unedited notes/transcript)


    "My name is Dana Karon.

    [Karon explains how intensely zionist she and her family and upbringing and schooling in Israel were, but that now she and her parents have left Israel]

    I'm a junior [now] at University of Maryland. . . . A lot of what I read has not been honest, has not been true. I really feel betrayed sometimes when I read the news. . . .I haven't been told the honest truth. What I've been told by my parents, in synagogue hasn't been the honest truth. So I think it needs to start from the top. If we're going to educate children and younger people we need to start being honest with our people, our children and our families. Because we can't expect change to come from the bottom. [Applause]"

    . . .

    Closing: Beinart, "Palestinians have not given zionism a fair chance."
     

    after program ended, Mark Golub of Shalom TV interviewed Karon and re-framed her comment.

    Karon pointed to most specifically to the Map of Israel: "what Israel looks like on the globe is not what Israel looks like ...
    Golub: once again soft-soaps the map -- "In America we are not shown that map." Any other examples?
    Karon: "How Israel came to be is distorted."
    Golub: give me an example
    Karon: Were Palestinians kicked out or did they leave on their own ...
    Golub: once again plays with Karon's mind & framing.
    Karon: "I'm not sure . . . I don't know..."
    Golub: What would you want Israel to do?
    Karon: It doesn't match up with what should happen. It all should be a Jewish state but that is not just, the Palestinians deserve a state. As long as Israel is an occupier it is not a Jewish and democratic state and that is not okay with me. ... My family lives here now...
    Golub: Does your family have security issues?
    Karon: [short answer -- Yes].
    Golub: Most Israelis say to me we are prepared to ... with palestinians who are prepared to live with Jews side by side where no parent lives in fear of danger to their child . . . if you could guarantee to me that Palestinians would make those kinds of compromises we would be willing to give up land. . . Does that represent, in your view, mainstream Israeli thinking?
    Karon: says yes, in effect.
     

    ---
    I was going to say, Sam, that I was harsh in calling you a liar because perhaps you, too, had been lied to.

    I'm reading Russian literature -- Turgenev's "Fathers and Sons," and Dostoevsky's "Brothers Karamazov."
    "Fathers and Sons" incorporates an explication of the concept of nihilism that swept Russia in the 1860s (and later), the "golden age" of Russian literature and also the earliest days of the Haskalah Movement in Russia -- the Great Awakening of Jewish Russians to the secular learning emanating from Germany and catching hold in Russia.

    In "Fathers and Sons," the nihilist conflict has its roots in Genesis 22 -- The Binding of Isaac.

    I didn't realize this until reading Turgenev -- Isaac was 32 or 33 years old when Abraham took him to the wilderness and took all the steps to slay him on an altar to Yahweh.

    The concept of "binding" refers not only to the fact that a 32-year old would have to be bound hand and foot in order to be slain, but more importantly, to the deeper meaning of the exercise: Abraham was binding Isaac to the Tribe, under threat of death. It was essential that Isaac buy into the value system of the tribe of Abraham in order to ensure its continuity.

    Nihilists rejected the old values.

    Many young Russian Jews rejected the old Jewish orthodoxies in favor of the new, secular learning they were absorbing at universities in Odessa, Germany and Vienna. These young Jews were a threat to the perpetuation of the Jewish tribe.

    So whatever means were necessary -- not excluding killing or dispossessing their own children, were employed to keep the kids in the tribe.

    Ruth Wisse explains that the real story of "Fiddler on the Roof" is that when the daughter married a Christian and went away with him, her father considered her as dead.

    Jews go to great lengths to ensure that their tribal values will be carried on, and as the whole of the linked video gives evidence, Jews in the USA have undertaken extraordinary means to ensure that their "children" believe and buy into the dogma of zionism and Israel.

    more and more and more can be told, for example, about the nihilism of people like Leo Strauss, Michael Ledeen & the neoconservatives, and of Erich Mendelsohn, one of the most notorious examples of Jewish nihilism -- when it involves other people's children and cultures being destroy.

    But not now ---
    You plopped this bull-pucky in our midst.


    At the risk of bestowing respectability on the repugnant claims, it falls on Yours truly, to observe on behalf of the civilised world, that the documents relating to the “Final Solution” and extermination of the Untermensch, was restricted to only the very top echelons of the Nazi leadership and destroyed just prior to defeat in 1945. All of this was revealed during the Nuremberg Trials.

     

    Bullshit from start to finish.

    Documents that were cherry-picked for the kangaroo trials that were Nuremberg were selected from the mass of documents that the Allies acquired in the waning days of Germany's war.

    Here's what William Shirer says about documentation of the war, in "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" --


    "Though I lived and worked in the Third Reich during [its] first half . . .this personal experience would not have led me to attempt to write this book had there not occurred at the end of World War II an event unique in history.
    This was the capture of most of the confidential archives of the German government and all its branches, including those of the Foreign Office, the Army and Navy, the National Socialist Party and Heinrich Himmler's secret police. Never before, I believe, has such a vast treasure fallen into the hands of contemporary historians. Hitherto the archives of a great state, even when it was defeated in war and its government overthrown by revolution, as happened to Germany and Russia in 1918, were preserved by it, and only those documents which served the interests of the subsequent ruling regime were ultimately published.
    The swift collapse of the Third Reich in the spring of 1945 resulted in the surrender not only of a vast bulk of its secret papers but of other priceless material such as private diaries, highly secret speeches, conference reports and correspondence, and even transcripts of telephone conversations of the Nazi leaders tapped by a special office set up by Hermann Goering in the Air Ministry.
    . . .

    The 445 tons of records of the German Foreign Office, captured by the U.S. First Army . . .just as they were about to be burned on orders from Berlin, . . .go back to the Weimar Republic and . . .Bismarck. For many years after the war tons of Nazi documents lay sealed in a large U.S. Army warehouse in Alexandria, VA. . . . [I]n 1955. . .thanks to the initiative of the American Historical Association and the generosity of a couple of private foundations, the Alexandria papers were opened and a pitifully small group of scholars . . .went to work to sift through them and photograph them before the government . . .returned them to Germany. . . .

    Hundreds of thousands of captured Nazi documents were hurriedly assembled at Nuremberg as evidence in the trial of major Nazi war criminals . . ."
     

    In a speech about his book, 1939: The War That had Many Fathers," Maj. Gen. (Ret.) Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof recounts that he was confused when comparing original statistics he uncovered from documents held in another country, with those posted in supposed-official papers of the Third Reich. A colleague explained to him that the "Official" German documents had been compiled by the Americans. I suppose they were among those 445 tons of documents that "private foundations" in the USA arranged to have copied -- and doctored? -- before returning them to Germany.

    I must admit, dear Sam, I did not open the wikipedia links. I and much of the rest of the world with an IQ at least at the mean temperature in Alaska, are aware that Israel has agents who jigger information on Wikipedia. It is as reliable as the documents the USA copied and returned to Germany.

    Phil Giraldi speaks for himself. Yes, this is his column/article space, on a website owned by Mr. Unz. I don't know Unz but I have met Phil. There is no limit to the respect I have for Dr. Phil Giraldi. His courage is an inspiration and a goad, that I must put every ounce of my energy and intellect to the task of seeking out and offering up the most soundly-based information I can find, because the constitutional republic of the United States can only function when its foundation is "plumb, square and level" (I'm a journeyman not a scholar like Giraldi; it's a tremendous handicap but I do what I can with what I've got).

    For myself, I repeat: I am not a holocaust "denier." I refuse to be boxed in that frame.
    I think the holocaust narrative is a lie.
    I believe it is essential for the American people to unpack that set of lies and tell the truth to themselves about how the USA was drawn into World War II and how it fought it, and the debt it owes to the people it killed.
    I believe the telling of those truths are essential if the seriously listing ship of the US Constitutional republic is to be set aright.

    The best information that I have found to this date persuades me that much of what has been handed down as dogma about the holocaust of Jewish people is propaganda. The holocaust narrative is a seamless arc from 1900 when Rabbi Stephen Wise published his first reports about "6 million Jews" being persecuted; through the period between 1933 and 1941 when, as Lynne Olson writes in "Those Angry Days," the people of the United States were bombarded with "propaganda, disinformation, character assassination, criminal behavior" in the process of "educating them" on the evilness of the German people and the necessity of the people of the USA to kill them.

    Cycle back to Dana Karon, who complained that she was taught lies about "the map of Israel" and "whether Palestinians were forced out, or left on their own, or were never there at all."

    If those things were lies, as Karon says they were but about which Golub was eager to plant seeds of doubt -- as well as veiled threats of disloyalty to Israel -- what else have people been lied to about in the case of Israel?

    If the "pitifully few scholars . . . paid by private foundations in the U.S.A" had found in the 450 tons of highly confidential NSDAP documents slam-dunk proof that the German government planned and carried out a deliberate campaign to exterminate Jews just because they were Jewish or did not have blonde hair and blue eyes, then don't you suppose those documents would have been replicated and displayed at every museum to the alleged holocaust that US and other country's taxpayers money has built?

    re your "survivor grandmother."
    Stow it, won't you please?
    The world is sick of Jewish appeal ad misericordiam.
    I think I would have cherished my grandmothers if I had ever known them. I never felt my grandmothers's arms around me.
    You've overplayed your hand, however, and about your grandmother, frankly Mr. Shama, I don't give a damn.

    EDIT:

    re:

    The holocaust narrative is a seamless arc from 1900 when Rabbi Stephen Wise published his first reports about “6 million Jews” being persecuted; through the period between 1933 and 1941 when, as Lynne Olson writes in “Those Angry Days,” the people of the United States were bombarded with “propaganda, disinformation, character assassination, criminal behavior” in the process of “educating them” on the evilness of the German people and the necessity of the people of the USA to kill them, to the kangaroo-court Nuremberg trials based on cherry-picked evidence with parties included precisely to conceal the war crimes of the “victors;” to this very day when Israel’s agents appear before the US Senate and offer up more lies in a bid to pass legislation that would, in effect, commit the USA to a permanent state of war against Iran. .

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  172. “Jews always have higher souls than goyim, even if they’re gay.”

    They tell us constantly we are not like them. They are right. This is because the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths.

    If you base your world view on the idea that the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths you will never be surprised and many things that don’t make sense will suddenly make a great deal of sense. It also would explain how every country the Jews have gone to they’ve eventually been kicked out of. People can only stand so much of psychopaths behavior and then something must give. They must go.

    Here’s a chapter in the book “The Mask of Sanity” about a psychopath called Stanley. Read it and you will have a perfect indication of how the Jews will act.

    http://www.energyenhancement.org/Psychopath/psychopath-Hervey-Cleckley-the-mask-of-sanity-SECTION-TWO-THE-MATERIAL-Part-1-The-disorder-in-full-clinical-manifestations-19-Stanley.html

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    I wonder what SolontoCroesus thinks of your evidence favouring the view that it is totally unsurprising that an impoverished Germany with low class leadership might throw up leaders and senior powerful functionaries who would want Juden raus, extend that logically to their intended Lebensraum, and surreptitiously (for reasons that don't require explanation) decide that it is time for a Final Solution consistent with established domestic practices designed (surreptitiously) to get rid of expensive-to-maintain Untermenschen????
  173. “…… kangaroo trials that were Nuremberg “

    It has to be a kangaroo court, doesn’t it, to suit your narrative. You are entitled to your opinions, but NOT your own “facts”

    “….I suppose they were among those 445 tons of documents that “private foundations” in the USA arranged to have copied — and doctored? — before returning them to Germany.”

    And the evidence was of course, in YOUR opinion, “doctored” by the USA. We are beginning to detect powerful evidentiary logic here…….

    “….I and much of the rest of the world with an IQ at least at the mean temperature in Alaska”

    It mightn’t have included mine, or those of my friends. I clocked at 204.

    “…Israel has agents who jigger information on Wikipedia. It is as reliable as the documents the USA copied and returned to Germany.”

    Naturally! They are also fiddling with online pudding recipes

    “I believe it is essential for the American people……………….and tell the truth to themselves about how the USA was drawn into World War II and how it fought it, and the debt it owes to the people it killed.”

    So you are now suggesting that the USA, UK and allies engaged in war crimes during WWII and should pay reparations to …..Germans?

    “Cycle back to Dana Karon, who complained that she was taught lies about “the map of Israel” and “whether Palestinians were forced out, or left on their own, or were never there at all.”

    Quite familiar with this sort of sentiment. I am sure her heart is in the right place. Just so happens that political maps are the children of International Law, which states that until official peace is declared between warring sides no re-drawing of the boundaries need happen. Read the many discourses/debates/opinions of Prof Alan Dershowitz

    “re your “survivor grandmother.”
    Stow it, won’t you please?”

    After you stow your Nazi propaganda. The point of quoting my grandmother, was to emphasise her practical approach to life, which I admire and try to follow. Not looking for your sympathies at all jocko!

    “You’ve overplayed your hand, however, and about your grandmother, frankly Mr. Shama, I don’t give a damn.”

    If I “overplayed” my hand, it appears to have given you indigestion, writing that garbled Odyssey.

    As a cabbie chum of mine in London, would say: ” Blimey mate, you blew a raspberry there!”

    …But no need to apologise!

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    Not looking for your sympathies at all jock!
     
    If the point was to highlight your grandmother's "practical approach to life," why was it necessary to identify her as a "survivor", jocko?

    Is it your belief that other people's grandmother's who are or are not "survivors" are therefore less practical, or less worthy of being cherished?

    Is that your grandmother's overriding identity -- "survivor" ?

  174. So you are now suggesting that the USA, UK and allies engaged in war crimes during WWII and should pay reparations to …..Germans?

    Indeed I am.

    And also to Iranians who were victims of war crimes in wars in which they were neutrals — far more Iranians died in WWI and WWII than Jews.

    When people are not called to account for their crimes they take that omission as acquiescence and grant themselves the right to continue committing the same sort of crimes. This is exactly what USA and Israel are doing.

    I do not buy the pretzel-logic that the bestial behavior of Israeli Jews, those moral leaders of the world (according to Rabbi Ken Spiro at AISH.org — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV2COCsedCw ) in oppressing, stealing from, imprisoning and killing Palestinians, can be understood as expressed above —

    “So, I’m not surprised with those givens, when some Jewish people support policies, even if sometimes misguided, that they believe are necessary to avoid victimhood again, a holocaust in which few of the rest of the world came to their rescue, only fighting their oppressors when they themselves felt threatened.

    It’s also no surprise when a nation of any human beings adopts policies that are unwise and unproductive to itself, or detrimental to the interests of another. I believe because of history, that Israel merits some special sensitivity due to past victimhood,

    Nothing personal but I think that’s sentimental gobbley-de-gook.

    In my opinion Jews brutalize Palestinian out of a sense of unrepented guilt.
    Much the same for American leaders who display a god-complex: they are so full of the nonsense that they “triumphed over evil” in Germany that they feel invincible and entitled. Their failure to acknowledge that this “victory” was achieved by
    ~lying the USA into the war after — listen to Irving Kristol admit to these lies here
    ~demonizing Germans and Germany in exactly the way Joseph Trumpledor complained of in the first comment to this article.
    ~ firebombing babies, women and old men — unarmed civilians –by the hundreds of thousands and setting brutish Russians to rape and kill German women and girls.

    It does not make me proud to be an American that may country did this and got away with it.

    It frightens me that the leaders of the USA use this “liar’s victory” to grant themselves leave to impose the same punishment — war crimes — on Iraq, which is precisely George W H Bush’s motivation in the Persian Gulf war (see Jeffrey Engel, “Into the Desert” ~50 min), and that so puffed-up and entitled has US leadership become that they think it is their right to choose the governments of other people, impose their style of political and economic praxis, and kill whomever they will on their sole say-so.

    This is psychosis reaching a fever-pitch.

    It is extremely troubling that two members of WINEP, James Jeffrey and Martin Indyk, testified before Bob Corker’s Senate committee and urged the Senate to grant the president Authorization to Use Military Force against Iran in the event Iran does not sign a deal or fails to comply with some terms of a deal that might be signed.

    This is an extremely distressing turn of events.

    Why people on this forum continue to offer solicitous aid and comfort to Israelis who have killed with abandon in the recent past and are arming up to do so in the near future is beyond my comprehension (I’m talking to you, Fran Macadam).

    I think they are psychopaths who need to be stopped for their own good not to mention the protection of the millions of people who are their intended victims.

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  175. @Sam Shama

    "...... kangaroo trials that were Nuremberg "
     
    It has to be a kangaroo court, doesn't it, to suit your narrative. You are entitled to your opinions, but NOT your own "facts"

    "....I suppose they were among those 445 tons of documents that “private foundations” in the USA arranged to have copied — and doctored? — before returning them to Germany."
     
    And the evidence was of course, in YOUR opinion, "doctored" by the USA. We are beginning to detect powerful evidentiary logic here.......

    "....I and much of the rest of the world with an IQ at least at the mean temperature in Alaska"
     
    It mightn't have included mine, or those of my friends. I clocked at 204.

    "...Israel has agents who jigger information on Wikipedia. It is as reliable as the documents the USA copied and returned to Germany."
     
    Naturally! They are also fiddling with online pudding recipes

    "I believe it is essential for the American people...................and tell the truth to themselves about how the USA was drawn into World War II and how it fought it, and the debt it owes to the people it killed."
     
    So you are now suggesting that the USA, UK and allies engaged in war crimes during WWII and should pay reparations to .....Germans?

    "Cycle back to Dana Karon, who complained that she was taught lies about “the map of Israel” and “whether Palestinians were forced out, or left on their own, or were never there at all.”
     
    Quite familiar with this sort of sentiment. I am sure her heart is in the right place. Just so happens that political maps are the children of International Law, which states that until official peace is declared between warring sides no re-drawing of the boundaries need happen. Read the many discourses/debates/opinions of Prof Alan Dershowitz

    "re your “survivor grandmother.”
    Stow it, won’t you please?"
     
    After you stow your Nazi propaganda. The point of quoting my grandmother, was to emphasise her practical approach to life, which I admire and try to follow. Not looking for your sympathies at all jocko!

    "You’ve overplayed your hand, however, and about your grandmother, frankly Mr. Shama, I don’t give a damn."
     
    If I "overplayed" my hand, it appears to have given you indigestion, writing that garbled Odyssey.

    As a cabbie chum of mine in London, would say: " Blimey mate, you blew a raspberry there!"

    ...But no need to apologise!

    Not looking for your sympathies at all jock!

    If the point was to highlight your grandmother’s “practical approach to life,” why was it necessary to identify her as a “survivor”, jocko?

    Is it your belief that other people’s grandmother’s who are or are not “survivors” are therefore less practical, or less worthy of being cherished?

    Is that your grandmother’s overriding identity — “survivor” ?

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  176. I have here and reread recently Shirer’s Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. This work confirms without any doubt whatsoever that millions were exterminated by Nazis in premeditated and meticulously planned acts of monstrous genocide. To claim otherwise is frankly impossible. It’s a complete refutation of everything Holocaust Deniers are peddling.

    Interesting about Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s Karamazov. The most contemptible figures in it are not Jewish, but rather the greedy grasping reprobate and saloon owner, the clan father Fyodor Karamazov and his illegitimate son, the obsequious Smerdyakov.

    Phil Giraldi can surely do without endorsements from the invincibly ignorant Deniers, but there’s also no doubt that there isn’t a cause so virtuous that it won’t have some unsavory characters lurking about. Since commentary is uncensored, here they be, letting ‘er rip.

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    Have you read Jorg Friedrich's "The Fire: The Bombing of Germany, 1940 - 1945," or "1939: The War that had Many Fathers," by Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof? How about "Hellstorm," by Thomas Goodrich, or Freda Utley's account of post-war Germany, "The High Cost of Vengeance," available online -- http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thcov/

    Chapter 5 of Jacob Raisin's "The Haskalah Movement in Russia" (also available online http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15921/15921-h/15921-h.htm
    discusses Jewish reactions to the writing of Turgenev and Dostoevsky.
    --


    Fyodor Pavlovich was indeed a rogue (there weren't many Jewish characters in "Karamazov," hardly surprising since Dostoevsky did not much care for Jews, was a supporter of the monarchy and the Byzantine Church). But some scholars of Russian literature say that Fyodor was the smartest and most brutally honest of the Karamazov men, maybe as smart as Mr. "I clock in at 204" Shama but not as pompously intellectual, or intellectually pompous as Ivan.

    Interesting that Dmitri was wrongly convicted on the strength of "evidence" presented by a vindictive, scorned former lover of Dmitri, who had found noble love just moments before the Interrogators came in a troika to take him off to prison. For all his smarts, Ivan could not save his brother. It seems that high IQ is not a match for a flawed , biased assessment of human nature.
    Western-style legal processes were just emerging in Russia in Dostoevsky's time. He tried to make the point that men are incapable of judging each other fairly. Food for thought.

    PS I think you are wrong and dangerously wrong to gulp holocaust koolaid uncritically.

    , @Sam Shama
    I have read Shirer. Not Dostoyevsky however. So I find your insight interesting and useful.What our resident fire-breathing Lydian (whose gifts, I have cautioned earlier, one should beware of) said about Jewish nihilism, as it applies to the B'rith Mila (covenant of Isaac), is pitifully false and incongruent with the received wisdom of the faith. His interpretation would be akin to asserting that "Corpus et Sanguis Christi" prepares Christians for eventual cannibalism.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Wikipedia states:

    "Invincible ignorance is the deductive fallacy of circularity where the person simply refuses to believe the argument ignoring any evidence."

     

    An online Catholic encyclopedia, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07648a.htm, makes a more complex analysis and seems to turn the definition inside-out, consistent with the explanation in Wikipedia that, while the term is frequently traced to Catholic theology, it was used there to refer to situations such as an infant who is ignorant of Jesus because he/she has not had the opportunity to learn. Virgil placed himself in this category, having lived and died just before Jesus did. Dante places Abraham, Moses, David, etc. in a special place outside of the Inferno, due to their invincible ignorance of Jesus -- it was impossible for them to know Jesus.

    The Catholic Encyclopedia skirts this complexity by discussing various levels of obligation to obtain knowledge:


    Ignorance is lack of knowledge about a thing in a being capable of knowing [i.e. a human person].

    Fundamentally speaking and with regard to a given object ignorance is the outcome of the limitations of our intellect or of the obscurity of the matter itself.

    In this article it is the ethical aspect and consequences of ignorance that are directly under consideration. From this point of view, since only voluntary and free acts are imputable, ignorance which either destroys or lessens the [the limitations of our intellect] is a factor to be reckoned with. . . .[Ignorance] will, therefore, be taken to mean the absence of information which one is required to have. The mere want of knowledge without connoting any requirement on the part of a person to possess it may be called nescience.

    So far as fixing human responsibility, the most important division of ignorance is that designated by the terms invincible and vincible.

    Ignorance is said to be invincible when a person is unable to rid himself of it notwithstanding the employment of moral diligence, that is, such as under the circumstances is, morally speaking, possible and obligatory.
    This manifestly includes the states of inadvertence, forgetfulness, etc. Such ignorance is obviously involuntary and therefore not imputable.

    On the other hand, ignorance is termed vincible if it can be dispelled by the use of "moral diligence". This certainly does not mean all possible effort; . . . We may say, however, that the diligence requisite must be commensurate with the importance of the affair in hand, and with the capacity of the agent, in a word such as a really sensible and prudent person would use under the circumstances.

    Furthermore, it must be remembered that the obligation mentioned above is to be interpreted strictly and exclusively as the duty incumbent on a man to do something, the precise object of which is the acquisition of the needed knowledge. . . .

    When ignorance is deliberately aimed at and fostered, it is said to be affected, not because it is pretended, but rather because it is sought for by the agent so that he may not have to relinquish his purpose.

    Ignorance which practically no effort is made to dispel is termed crass or supine.
     

    The Catholic encyclopedia next sets up categories of culpability related to ignorance, invincible or vincible. The encyclopedia uses knowledge of Church doctrine for its example, but it is useful to apply the theory to the matter of acquiring knowledge about the holocaust and the actions requisite upon that acquisition.

    [I]gnorance may precede, accompany, or follow an act of our will. It is therefore said to be antecedent, concomitant, or consequent.

    Antecedent ignorance is in no sense voluntary, neither is the act resulting from it; it precedes any voluntary failure to inquire.

    Consequent ignorance, on the other hand, is so called because it is the result of a perverse frame of mind choosing, either directly or indirectly, to be ignorant.

    Concomitant ignorance is concerned with the will to act in a given contingency; it implies that the real character of what is done is unknown to the agent, but his attitude is such that, were he acquainted with the actual state of things, he would go on just the same.

    Keeping these distinctions in mind we are in a position to lay down certain statements of doctrine.

    Invincible ignorance [ignorance that cannot be conquered], whether of the law or of the fact, is always a valid excuse and excludes sin. The evident reason is that neither this state nor the act resulting therefrom is voluntary.

    It is undeniable that a man cannot be invincibly ignorant of the natural law, so far as its first principles are concerned, and the inferences easily drawn therefrom. This, however, according to the teaching of St. Thomas, is not true of those remoter conclusions, which are deducible only by a process of laborious and sometimes intricate reasoning. Of these a person may be invincibly ignorant. Even when the invincible ignorance is concomitant, it prevents the act which it accompanies from being regarded as sinful. The perverse temper of soul, which in this case is supposed, retains, of course, such malice as it had.

    Vincible ignorance, being in some way voluntary, does not permit a man to escape responsibility for the moral deformity of his deeds; he is held to be guilty and in general the more guilty in proportion as his ignorance is more voluntary. Hence, the essential thing to remember is that the guilt of an act performed or omitted in vincible ignorance is not to be measured by the intrinsic malice of the thing done or omitted so much as by the degree of negligence discernible in the act.

    It must not be forgotten that, although vincible ignorance leaves the culpability of a person intact, still it does make the act less voluntary than if it were done with full knowledge. This holds good except perhaps with regard to the sort of ignorance termed affected. Here theologians are not agreed as to whether it increases or diminishes a man's moral liability. The solution is possibly to be had from a consideration of the motive which influences one in choosing purposely to be ignorant.
    For instance, a man who would refuse to learn the doctrines of the Church [both sides or weigh conflicting evidence of the holocaust narrative] from a fear that he would thus find himself compelled to embrace [a changed interpretation of the events] would certainly be in a bad plight.

    Still he would be less guilty than the man whose neglect to know the teachings of the Church [opposing evidence about the holocaust] was inspired by sheer scorn of her authority[ those who advance the contrary evidence].

    Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or fact, exempts one from the penalty which may have been provided by positive legislation.

    Even vincible ignorance, either of the law or fact, which is not crass, excuses one from the punishment. Mere lack of knowledge of the sanction does not free one from the penalty. . .

     

    Devious antisemite that I am (or so I have been told. several times.), I have posted links and repeated what I believe to be information pointing to a larger context and the other side -- the German side -- of the story involving the holocaust, precisely to pull out from under "holocaust believers" any ability to claim that "they did not know."

    Earlier, I issued a dare: http://www.unz.com/article/keep-your-eye-on-the-camel/#comment-967004
    Have you taken the dare?

    Our children had the good sense to have been young when there was still decent children's programming on cable channels. I don't recall what program it was that routinely disclosed some bit of information about how a person should conduct him/herself, then closed the segment with the phrase, "Now you know, and knowing's half the battle."

    When the question on the table is war or peace, killing or not killing, knowing, then the moral obligation to know is far more than "half the battle." It is the most serious obligation of a citizen, a moral imperative.

    I have presented information -- contrarian information-- about the holocaust with the intention of putting participants on this blog in the position of having the opportunity to know; the exculpatory position of invincible ignorance is therefore foreclosed.

    Once a thing is known, it's hard to un-know it. Then one must consider how to act with respect to that new knowledge.

    This has become a very difficult situation in the USA due to the punitive measures to enforce ignorance that operate under the guise of sanctioning "holocaust denial" or "antisemitism." These measures and the institutions that enforce them are pernicious and destructive to the perpetuation of a constitutional republic.

    , @SolontoCroesus

    I have here and reread recently Shirer’s Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. . . .This work confirms without any doubt whatsoever that millions were exterminated by Nazis in premeditated and meticulously planned acts of monstrous genocide
     
    Excellent.

    Please quote the passages from Shirer, chapter and verse, if you please, that prove what you assert in your quote above.

    Also, as you are therefore in a position to answer the questions posed to Sam Shama, please point us to the documents that credibly prove that


    overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery.” - Sam Shama
     
  177. @Sam Shama
    Mr. Giraldi you say that you have never been a Holocaust Denier, yet have no compunction about extending the platform for it, to so many here.

    Still I suppose,"... it's quite allright", as my Survivor Grandmother would say, whenever confronted by the very same behaviour.

    “Mr. Giraldi you say that you have never been a Holocaust Denier, yet have no compunction about extending the platform for it, to so many here.”

    Sammie – Sorry Little Jew child, you do NOT get to tell your lies forever and ever. 55,000,000 people died in that dam war – Russians, Poles, Germans, Japanese, Brits, Americans, Chinese, and yes some Jews – NOT six million.

    You Jews are not blameless – your Big Jew bankers put Germany in grave financial debt – in typical fashion, you lemming like Little Jews took advantage of that and took over German culture. You come by people’s hate for you honestly. The blood of the 55,000,000 is in part on YOU JEWS.

    Little Jew child – six million Jews did not die in WWII, Israel is an apartheid state, your Big Jew bankers are evil – you are turning America’s culture upside down – the obvious question is “are you Jews an existential threat to America, like you were to Germany after WWI?”

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    the obvious question is “are you Jews an existential threat to America, like you were to Germany after WWI?”
     
    No you moron, that would be you and your mother who is also your sister in coal city WV
  178. @Fran Macadam
    I have here and reread recently Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. This work confirms without any doubt whatsoever that millions were exterminated by Nazis in premeditated and meticulously planned acts of monstrous genocide. To claim otherwise is frankly impossible. It's a complete refutation of everything Holocaust Deniers are peddling.

    Interesting about Fyodor Dostoyevsky's Karamazov. The most contemptible figures in it are not Jewish, but rather the greedy grasping reprobate and saloon owner, the clan father Fyodor Karamazov and his illegitimate son, the obsequious Smerdyakov.

    Phil Giraldi can surely do without endorsements from the invincibly ignorant Deniers, but there's also no doubt that there isn't a cause so virtuous that it won't have some unsavory characters lurking about. Since commentary is uncensored, here they be, letting 'er rip.

    Have you read Jorg Friedrich’s “The Fire: The Bombing of Germany, 1940 – 1945,” or “1939: The War that had Many Fathers,” by Maj. Gen. Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof? How about “Hellstorm,” by Thomas Goodrich, or Freda Utley’s account of post-war Germany, “The High Cost of Vengeance,” available online — http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thcov/

    Chapter 5 of Jacob Raisin’s “The Haskalah Movement in Russia” (also available online http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15921/15921-h/15921-h.htm
    discusses Jewish reactions to the writing of Turgenev and Dostoevsky.

    Fyodor Pavlovich was indeed a rogue (there weren’t many Jewish characters in “Karamazov,” hardly surprising since Dostoevsky did not much care for Jews, was a supporter of the monarchy and the Byzantine Church). But some scholars of Russian literature say that Fyodor was the smartest and most brutally honest of the Karamazov men, maybe as smart as Mr. “I clock in at 204″ Shama but not as pompously intellectual, or intellectually pompous as Ivan.

    Interesting that Dmitri was wrongly convicted on the strength of “evidence” presented by a vindictive, scorned former lover of Dmitri, who had found noble love just moments before the Interrogators came in a troika to take him off to prison. For all his smarts, Ivan could not save his brother. It seems that high IQ is not a match for a flawed , biased assessment of human nature.
    Western-style legal processes were just emerging in Russia in Dostoevsky’s time. He tried to make the point that men are incapable of judging each other fairly. Food for thought.

    PS I think you are wrong and dangerously wrong to gulp holocaust koolaid uncritically.

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  179. @Fran Macadam
    I have here and reread recently Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. This work confirms without any doubt whatsoever that millions were exterminated by Nazis in premeditated and meticulously planned acts of monstrous genocide. To claim otherwise is frankly impossible. It's a complete refutation of everything Holocaust Deniers are peddling.

    Interesting about Fyodor Dostoyevsky's Karamazov. The most contemptible figures in it are not Jewish, but rather the greedy grasping reprobate and saloon owner, the clan father Fyodor Karamazov and his illegitimate son, the obsequious Smerdyakov.

    Phil Giraldi can surely do without endorsements from the invincibly ignorant Deniers, but there's also no doubt that there isn't a cause so virtuous that it won't have some unsavory characters lurking about. Since commentary is uncensored, here they be, letting 'er rip.

    I have read Shirer. Not Dostoyevsky however. So I find your insight interesting and useful.What our resident fire-breathing Lydian (whose gifts, I have cautioned earlier, one should beware of) said about Jewish nihilism, as it applies to the B’rith Mila (covenant of Isaac), is pitifully false and incongruent with the received wisdom of the faith. His interpretation would be akin to asserting that “Corpus et Sanguis Christi” prepares Christians for eventual cannibalism.

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    Well Sammie and Frannie – you two little lemmings sure are busy, running here, rushing there, shoring up one Big Jew lie after another.

    What does hasbara work pay these days? Shackles or dollars, overtime? Keyboard malady compensation?

    You know that YOU are driving the getaway car.

    Please please stay away from the cliffs my little lemmings.
  180. @Fran Macadam
    "The problem with this statement is that it is based on a false premise – the policies to which you refer have little to do with avoiding victimhood, they are meant to benefit (through preferential access to land, water, roads) one group at the expense of another. It’s that simple."

    It's speculative to definitively assign bad motives to adversaries and not helpful in moving forward with solutions that reduce violence based on hatred. You are right that the policies are to protect one ethnic group's interests over another's.

    In the same way, American policies are sold to our public as protecting Americans' interests over that of other peoples, thereby achieving our support for them. It would be prescient to observe that in actuality these policies are against the interests of the vast majority and benefit the same special donorist interests who have bought the policies. The beneficiaries are hardly only Jewish, and the majority of American Jews are left out of their equation as much as every other average American. We all might be guilty of not being as well informed as we ought to be in a Republic that requires more than casual public interest in accountability, but the donorists are doing their utmost to keep us uninformed and themselves unaccountable to the electorate as they move governance behind closed doors. One might say our guilt is that of misinformed self-interest that justifies their policies that we receive nothing good from. Those participating have among them those of Jewish background, but they are most assuredly not the majority, and the loyalties first and foremost are to their own claque of wealth and power, whatever secondary interests there are. An ethnic enclave does contain its own traitors, particularly in leadership.

    One might expect Jews either here or in Israel to hew to a higher standard than the rest of humanity, but all we can observe is that they are in fact as human as the rest of us. As Hannah Arendt most uncomfortably reported the findings of the Eichmann trial, those who betray their own, as happened tragically during the Holocaust, do so out of vain and selfish character and raw self-interest.

    There is no doubt that putting oneself out to at least try to see the adversary's point of view, might create a space of commonality where there is enough to pursue mutual goals and benefits. It is tragic that truly aggrieved groups think they cannot recognize the legitimacy of each other's suffering, out of fear that doing so will undermine their own. The reality is precisely the contrary.

    “It would be prescient to observe that in actuality these policies are against the interests of the vast majority and benefit the same special donorist interests who have bought the policies.”

    Care to elaborate on who the special donorists are that influence U.S. policies in the ME?

    “… the majority of American Jews are left out of their equation as much as every other average American.”

    I realize it is difficult for anyone to speak in behalf of any one group of people, but before you can reach the conclusion you do, wouldn’t one need to determine whether American Jewry is supportive of the special relationship between the U.S. and Israel? And if they are supportive, do they bear any responsibility for what has transpired in the ME?

    btw, if you don’t mind my asking: are you supportive of this relationship?

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  181. @Fran Macadam
    I have here and reread recently Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. This work confirms without any doubt whatsoever that millions were exterminated by Nazis in premeditated and meticulously planned acts of monstrous genocide. To claim otherwise is frankly impossible. It's a complete refutation of everything Holocaust Deniers are peddling.

    Interesting about Fyodor Dostoyevsky's Karamazov. The most contemptible figures in it are not Jewish, but rather the greedy grasping reprobate and saloon owner, the clan father Fyodor Karamazov and his illegitimate son, the obsequious Smerdyakov.

    Phil Giraldi can surely do without endorsements from the invincibly ignorant Deniers, but there's also no doubt that there isn't a cause so virtuous that it won't have some unsavory characters lurking about. Since commentary is uncensored, here they be, letting 'er rip.

    Wikipedia states:

    “Invincible ignorance is the deductive fallacy of circularity where the person simply refuses to believe the argument ignoring any evidence.”

    An online Catholic encyclopedia, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07648a.htm, makes a more complex analysis and seems to turn the definition inside-out, consistent with the explanation in Wikipedia that, while the term is frequently traced to Catholic theology, it was used there to refer to situations such as an infant who is ignorant of Jesus because he/she has not had the opportunity to learn. Virgil placed himself in this category, having lived and died just before Jesus did. Dante places Abraham, Moses, David, etc. in a special place outside of the Inferno, due to their invincible ignorance of Jesus — it was impossible for them to know Jesus.

    The Catholic Encyclopedia skirts this complexity by discussing various levels of obligation to obtain knowledge:

    Ignorance is lack of knowledge about a thing in a being capable of knowing [i.e. a human person].

    Fundamentally speaking and with regard to a given object ignorance is the outcome of the limitations of our intellect or of the obscurity of the matter itself.

    In this article it is the ethical aspect and consequences of ignorance that are directly under consideration. From this point of view, since only voluntary and free acts are imputable, ignorance which either destroys or lessens the [the limitations of our intellect] is a factor to be reckoned with. . . .[Ignorance] will, therefore, be taken to mean the absence of information which one is required to have. The mere want of knowledge without connoting any requirement on the part of a person to possess it may be called nescience.

    So far as fixing human responsibility, the most important division of ignorance is that designated by the terms invincible and vincible.

    Ignorance is said to be invincible when a person is unable to rid himself of it notwithstanding the employment of moral diligence, that is, such as under the circumstances is, morally speaking, possible and obligatory.
    This manifestly includes the states of inadvertence, forgetfulness, etc. Such ignorance is obviously involuntary and therefore not imputable.

    On the other hand, ignorance is termed vincible if it can be dispelled by the use of “moral diligence”. This certainly does not mean all possible effort; . . . We may say, however, that the diligence requisite must be commensurate with the importance of the affair in hand, and with the capacity of the agent, in a word such as a really sensible and prudent person would use under the circumstances.

    Furthermore, it must be remembered that the obligation mentioned above is to be interpreted strictly and exclusively as the duty incumbent on a man to do something, the precise object of which is the acquisition of the needed knowledge. . . .

    When ignorance is deliberately aimed at and fostered, it is said to be affected, not because it is pretended, but rather because it is sought for by the agent so that he may not have to relinquish his purpose.

    Ignorance which practically no effort is made to dispel is termed crass or supine.

    The Catholic encyclopedia next sets up categories of culpability related to ignorance, invincible or vincible. The encyclopedia uses knowledge of Church doctrine for its example, but it is useful to apply the theory to the matter of acquiring knowledge about the holocaust and the actions requisite upon that acquisition.

    [I]gnorance may precede, accompany, or follow an act of our will. It is therefore said to be antecedent, concomitant, or consequent.

    Antecedent ignorance is in no sense voluntary, neither is the act resulting from it; it precedes any voluntary failure to inquire.

    Consequent ignorance, on the other hand, is so called because it is the result of a perverse frame of mind choosing, either directly or indirectly, to be ignorant.

    Concomitant ignorance is concerned with the will to act in a given contingency; it implies that the real character of what is done is unknown to the agent, but his attitude is such that, were he acquainted with the actual state of things, he would go on just the same.

    Keeping these distinctions in mind we are in a position to lay down certain statements of doctrine.

    Invincible ignorance [ignorance that cannot be conquered], whether of the law or of the fact, is always a valid excuse and excludes sin. The evident reason is that neither this state nor the act resulting therefrom is voluntary.

    It is undeniable that a man cannot be invincibly ignorant of the natural law, so far as its first principles are concerned, and the inferences easily drawn therefrom. This, however, according to the teaching of St. Thomas, is not true of those remoter conclusions, which are deducible only by a process of laborious and sometimes intricate reasoning. Of these a person may be invincibly ignorant. Even when the invincible ignorance is concomitant, it prevents the act which it accompanies from being regarded as sinful. The perverse temper of soul, which in this case is supposed, retains, of course, such malice as it had.

    Vincible ignorance, being in some way voluntary, does not permit a man to escape responsibility for the moral deformity of his deeds; he is held to be guilty and in general the more guilty in proportion as his ignorance is more voluntary. Hence, the essential thing to remember is that the guilt of an act performed or omitted in vincible ignorance is not to be measured by the intrinsic malice of the thing done or omitted so much as by the degree of negligence discernible in the act.

    It must not be forgotten that, although vincible ignorance leaves the culpability of a person intact, still it does make the act less voluntary than if it were done with full knowledge. This holds good except perhaps with regard to the sort of ignorance termed affected. Here theologians are not agreed as to whether it increases or diminishes a man’s moral liability. The solution is possibly to be had from a consideration of the motive which influences one in choosing purposely to be ignorant.
    For instance, a man who would refuse to learn the doctrines of the Church [both sides or weigh conflicting evidence of the holocaust narrative] from a fear that he would thus find himself compelled to embrace [a changed interpretation of the events] would certainly be in a bad plight.

    Still he would be less guilty than the man whose neglect to know the teachings of the Church [opposing evidence about the holocaust] was inspired by sheer scorn of her authority[ those who advance the contrary evidence].

    Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or fact, exempts one from the penalty which may have been provided by positive legislation.

    Even vincible ignorance, either of the law or fact, which is not crass, excuses one from the punishment. Mere lack of knowledge of the sanction does not free one from the penalty. . .

    Devious antisemite that I am (or so I have been told. several times.), I have posted links and repeated what I believe to be information pointing to a larger context and the other side — the German side — of the story involving the holocaust, precisely to pull out from under “holocaust believers” any ability to claim that “they did not know.”

    Earlier, I issued a dare: http://www.unz.com/article/keep-your-eye-on-the-camel/#comment-967004
    Have you taken the dare?

    Our children had the good sense to have been young when there was still decent children’s programming on cable channels. I don’t recall what program it was that routinely disclosed some bit of information about how a person should conduct him/herself, then closed the segment with the phrase, “Now you know, and knowing’s half the battle.”

    When the question on the table is war or peace, killing or not killing, knowing, then the moral obligation to know is far more than “half the battle.” It is the most serious obligation of a citizen, a moral imperative.

    I have presented information — contrarian information– about the holocaust with the intention of putting participants on this blog in the position of having the opportunity to know; the exculpatory position of invincible ignorance is therefore foreclosed.

    Once a thing is known, it’s hard to un-know it. Then one must consider how to act with respect to that new knowledge.

    This has become a very difficult situation in the USA due to the punitive measures to enforce ignorance that operate under the guise of sanctioning “holocaust denial” or “antisemitism.” These measures and the institutions that enforce them are pernicious and destructive to the perpetuation of a constitutional republic.

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    "When the question on the table is war or peace, killing or not killing, knowing, then the moral obligation to know is far more than “half the battle.” It is the most serious obligation of a citizen, a moral imperative."

    These words struck a chord with me. I couldn't agree more. This is the creed I live by. My only wish is that more people reasoned this way!

  182. @Fran Macadam
    I have here and reread recently Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. This work confirms without any doubt whatsoever that millions were exterminated by Nazis in premeditated and meticulously planned acts of monstrous genocide. To claim otherwise is frankly impossible. It's a complete refutation of everything Holocaust Deniers are peddling.

    Interesting about Fyodor Dostoyevsky's Karamazov. The most contemptible figures in it are not Jewish, but rather the greedy grasping reprobate and saloon owner, the clan father Fyodor Karamazov and his illegitimate son, the obsequious Smerdyakov.

    Phil Giraldi can surely do without endorsements from the invincibly ignorant Deniers, but there's also no doubt that there isn't a cause so virtuous that it won't have some unsavory characters lurking about. Since commentary is uncensored, here they be, letting 'er rip.

    I have here and reread recently Shirer’s Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. . . .This work confirms without any doubt whatsoever that millions were exterminated by Nazis in premeditated and meticulously planned acts of monstrous genocide

    Excellent.

    Please quote the passages from Shirer, chapter and verse, if you please, that prove what you assert in your quote above.

    Also, as you are therefore in a position to answer the questions posed to Sam Shama, please point us to the documents that credibly prove that

    overt genocide was an explicit feature of Nazi policy, mixed with theories of inferior races who deserved extermination or at best slavery.” – Sam Shama

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  183. @SolontoCroesus
    Wikipedia states:

    "Invincible ignorance is the deductive fallacy of circularity where the person simply refuses to believe the argument ignoring any evidence."

     

    An online Catholic encyclopedia, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07648a.htm, makes a more complex analysis and seems to turn the definition inside-out, consistent with the explanation in Wikipedia that, while the term is frequently traced to Catholic theology, it was used there to refer to situations such as an infant who is ignorant of Jesus because he/she has not had the opportunity to learn. Virgil placed himself in this category, having lived and died just before Jesus did. Dante places Abraham, Moses, David, etc. in a special place outside of the Inferno, due to their invincible ignorance of Jesus -- it was impossible for them to know Jesus.

    The Catholic Encyclopedia skirts this complexity by discussing various levels of obligation to obtain knowledge:


    Ignorance is lack of knowledge about a thing in a being capable of knowing [i.e. a human person].

    Fundamentally speaking and with regard to a given object ignorance is the outcome of the limitations of our intellect or of the obscurity of the matter itself.

    In this article it is the ethical aspect and consequences of ignorance that are directly under consideration. From this point of view, since only voluntary and free acts are imputable, ignorance which either destroys or lessens the [the limitations of our intellect] is a factor to be reckoned with. . . .[Ignorance] will, therefore, be taken to mean the absence of information which one is required to have. The mere want of knowledge without connoting any requirement on the part of a person to possess it may be called nescience.

    So far as fixing human responsibility, the most important division of ignorance is that designated by the terms invincible and vincible.

    Ignorance is said to be invincible when a person is unable to rid himself of it notwithstanding the employment of moral diligence, that is, such as under the circumstances is, morally speaking, possible and obligatory.
    This manifestly includes the states of inadvertence, forgetfulness, etc. Such ignorance is obviously involuntary and therefore not imputable.

    On the other hand, ignorance is termed vincible if it can be dispelled by the use of "moral diligence". This certainly does not mean all possible effort; . . . We may say, however, that the diligence requisite must be commensurate with the importance of the affair in hand, and with the capacity of the agent, in a word such as a really sensible and prudent person would use under the circumstances.

    Furthermore, it must be remembered that the obligation mentioned above is to be interpreted strictly and exclusively as the duty incumbent on a man to do something, the precise object of which is the acquisition of the needed knowledge. . . .

    When ignorance is deliberately aimed at and fostered, it is said to be affected, not because it is pretended, but rather because it is sought for by the agent so that he may not have to relinquish his purpose.

    Ignorance which practically no effort is made to dispel is termed crass or supine.
     

    The Catholic encyclopedia next sets up categories of culpability related to ignorance, invincible or vincible. The encyclopedia uses knowledge of Church doctrine for its example, but it is useful to apply the theory to the matter of acquiring knowledge about the holocaust and the actions requisite upon that acquisition.

    [I]gnorance may precede, accompany, or follow an act of our will. It is therefore said to be antecedent, concomitant, or consequent.

    Antecedent ignorance is in no sense voluntary, neither is the act resulting from it; it precedes any voluntary failure to inquire.

    Consequent ignorance, on the other hand, is so called because it is the result of a perverse frame of mind choosing, either directly or indirectly, to be ignorant.

    Concomitant ignorance is concerned with the will to act in a given contingency; it implies that the real character of what is done is unknown to the agent, but his attitude is such that, were he acquainted with the actual state of things, he would go on just the same.

    Keeping these distinctions in mind we are in a position to lay down certain statements of doctrine.

    Invincible ignorance [ignorance that cannot be conquered], whether of the law or of the fact, is always a valid excuse and excludes sin. The evident reason is that neither this state nor the act resulting therefrom is voluntary.

    It is undeniable that a man cannot be invincibly ignorant of the natural law, so far as its first principles are concerned, and the inferences easily drawn therefrom. This, however, according to the teaching of St. Thomas, is not true of those remoter conclusions, which are deducible only by a process of laborious and sometimes intricate reasoning. Of these a person may be invincibly ignorant. Even when the invincible ignorance is concomitant, it prevents the act which it accompanies from being regarded as sinful. The perverse temper of soul, which in this case is supposed, retains, of course, such malice as it had.

    Vincible ignorance, being in some way voluntary, does not permit a man to escape responsibility for the moral deformity of his deeds; he is held to be guilty and in general the more guilty in proportion as his ignorance is more voluntary. Hence, the essential thing to remember is that the guilt of an act performed or omitted in vincible ignorance is not to be measured by the intrinsic malice of the thing done or omitted so much as by the degree of negligence discernible in the act.

    It must not be forgotten that, although vincible ignorance leaves the culpability of a person intact, still it does make the act less voluntary than if it were done with full knowledge. This holds good except perhaps with regard to the sort of ignorance termed affected. Here theologians are not agreed as to whether it increases or diminishes a man's moral liability. The solution is possibly to be had from a consideration of the motive which influences one in choosing purposely to be ignorant.
    For instance, a man who would refuse to learn the doctrines of the Church [both sides or weigh conflicting evidence of the holocaust narrative] from a fear that he would thus find himself compelled to embrace [a changed interpretation of the events] would certainly be in a bad plight.

    Still he would be less guilty than the man whose neglect to know the teachings of the Church [opposing evidence about the holocaust] was inspired by sheer scorn of her authority[ those who advance the contrary evidence].

    Invincible ignorance, whether of the law or fact, exempts one from the penalty which may have been provided by positive legislation.

    Even vincible ignorance, either of the law or fact, which is not crass, excuses one from the punishment. Mere lack of knowledge of the sanction does not free one from the penalty. . .

     

    Devious antisemite that I am (or so I have been told. several times.), I have posted links and repeated what I believe to be information pointing to a larger context and the other side -- the German side -- of the story involving the holocaust, precisely to pull out from under "holocaust believers" any ability to claim that "they did not know."

    Earlier, I issued a dare: http://www.unz.com/article/keep-your-eye-on-the-camel/#comment-967004
    Have you taken the dare?

    Our children had the good sense to have been young when there was still decent children's programming on cable channels. I don't recall what program it was that routinely disclosed some bit of information about how a person should conduct him/herself, then closed the segment with the phrase, "Now you know, and knowing's half the battle."

    When the question on the table is war or peace, killing or not killing, knowing, then the moral obligation to know is far more than "half the battle." It is the most serious obligation of a citizen, a moral imperative.

    I have presented information -- contrarian information-- about the holocaust with the intention of putting participants on this blog in the position of having the opportunity to know; the exculpatory position of invincible ignorance is therefore foreclosed.

    Once a thing is known, it's hard to un-know it. Then one must consider how to act with respect to that new knowledge.

    This has become a very difficult situation in the USA due to the punitive measures to enforce ignorance that operate under the guise of sanctioning "holocaust denial" or "antisemitism." These measures and the institutions that enforce them are pernicious and destructive to the perpetuation of a constitutional republic.

    “When the question on the table is war or peace, killing or not killing, knowing, then the moral obligation to know is far more than “half the battle.” It is the most serious obligation of a citizen, a moral imperative.”

    These words struck a chord with me. I couldn’t agree more. This is the creed I live by. My only wish is that more people reasoned this way!

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  184. @Sam Shama
    I have read Shirer. Not Dostoyevsky however. So I find your insight interesting and useful.What our resident fire-breathing Lydian (whose gifts, I have cautioned earlier, one should beware of) said about Jewish nihilism, as it applies to the B'rith Mila (covenant of Isaac), is pitifully false and incongruent with the received wisdom of the faith. His interpretation would be akin to asserting that "Corpus et Sanguis Christi" prepares Christians for eventual cannibalism.

    Well Sammie and Frannie – you two little lemmings sure are busy, running here, rushing there, shoring up one Big Jew lie after another.

    What does hasbara work pay these days? Shackles or dollars, overtime? Keyboard malady compensation?

    You know that YOU are driving the getaway car.

    Please please stay away from the cliffs my little lemmings.

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  185. Interestingly, I ran across an old pocket novel by Shirer, missing the first couple of pages, from 1950, called The Traitor. It was about American foreign correspondents in Berlin prewar, and tracing the evolution of one of them who ended up betraying America in favor of the Nazis, complete to mimicking then sincerely adopting their virulent racist views, particularly in regard to Jewish persons.

    I’m not sure but that Shirer titled it that, as a counterweight to the novel by Thomas Dixon Jr., also titled The Traitor, published in 1907. Largely forgotten now, Dixon was the most popular speaker in America of that era. He wrote the novels that director D.W. Griffith turned into the famous silent classic, Birth of a Nation, one of which novels was The Klansman. Dixon, by turn minister, playwright, lecturer, legislator, lawyer and author, was the foremost public promoter of the Ku Klux Klan in their heydey of early 20th century renaissance. It is disturbing to read his novels, because he almost succeeds through his considerable rhetorical and literary talents in making out virulent racism, terrorism and lynchings to be the stuff of noble heroism.

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  186. Does anyone believe that comments are still read after you passed the 50th? And the longer they are the less chance to be read.

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    Now you tell us. It would have been nice if you had done so as the 52nd commenter, not the 190th!
  187. @Seraphim
    Does anyone believe that comments are still read after you passed the 50th? And the longer they are the less chance to be read.

    Now you tell us. It would have been nice if you had done so as the 52nd commenter, not the 190th!

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    I did actually. That's why I am asking the question.
  188. Leave it to the Jesuitical, to construct a justification that stands logic on its head, for those whose ignorance is so invincible, that they choose to believe elaborate lies, instead of what they believe are their lying eyes!

    Not being Catholic, that makes me a heretic for my ordinary usage of the term, but certainly not Shirer’s Traitor.

    Oddly enough, though, a recent Pope did term those who insist on not seeing the obvious, guilty of an inexcusable “invincible ignorance.”

    Moreover, the most famous example of those who have no excuse for claiming “not to know” aren’t those who refuse the delusions of the Holocaust Deniers, but the German neighbors of the death camps who would have had to be deaf, blind and without a sense of smell to not have known what was going on.

    But all this is far afield from a critique of the current Israeli government’s morally and practically unsustainable policies, which are distorting both our democracies. That is not to do with the Holocaust, whether invoked as an excuse for wrongdoing by the heirs of victims, or the distracting rants of bad faith disbelief propaganda by the deniers. It is a distraction from solving the problem of the continuing wars there, which can only come through nurturing peace.

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    So Frannie – why are you lemmings going bonkers over 2% (if that) of the deaths of WWII – why are you not outraged, talking, and thinking about the other 98%. The Germans and Japanese murdered many millions of civilians – the Russians lost 20 million people – we and the Brits bombed many millions of civilians during that god dam war.

    Why do 2% of the deaths get 98% of media outrage? Are they miss using those deaths for nefarious reasons? Are they using those regrettable deaths to steal Palestine?

    Sure they are!

    Frannie - you are playing a part in a big wrong - you need to get next to yourself.
  189. @Fran Macadam
    Leave it to the Jesuitical, to construct a justification that stands logic on its head, for those whose ignorance is so invincible, that they choose to believe elaborate lies, instead of what they believe are their lying eyes!

    Not being Catholic, that makes me a heretic for my ordinary usage of the term, but certainly not Shirer's Traitor.

    Oddly enough, though, a recent Pope did term those who insist on not seeing the obvious, guilty of an inexcusable "invincible ignorance."

    Moreover, the most famous example of those who have no excuse for claiming "not to know" aren't those who refuse the delusions of the Holocaust Deniers, but the German neighbors of the death camps who would have had to be deaf, blind and without a sense of smell to not have known what was going on.

    But all this is far afield from a critique of the current Israeli government's morally and practically unsustainable policies, which are distorting both our democracies. That is not to do with the Holocaust, whether invoked as an excuse for wrongdoing by the heirs of victims, or the distracting rants of bad faith disbelief propaganda by the deniers. It is a distraction from solving the problem of the continuing wars there, which can only come throu