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In 1994 I enrolled in a postgraduate course in philosophy at a British University. On my first day at the University I had to complete a few routine administrative duties such as registering my name with the philosophy department and meeting my supervisors. I was also told that I had to join the student union. Being a subservient type, I walked over to the Student Union hall where I soon realized that the task was slightly more complicated than I had expected. There were a plethora of student unions to choose from: The Black Student Union, The Asian Student Association, The Socialist Students, The Gay Student Society and more. Confused, I asked for assistance. They asked where I was from. When I told them “Israel,” I was told that the “Jewish Student Union” was my home.

It was then, at the Student Union Hall, that I first encountered the identity split between Israel and the Jewish Diaspora. It would take some time before I was able to define this binary tension in philosophical or post political terms and before I understood the Jewish dilemma in terms of Nationalist/Identitarian dialectics. Two decades later, the political battle now going on in America is basically an extension of that internal Jewish debate.

Back in 1994 I didn’t see any reason to join the Jewish Student Union. I had never identified ‘as a Jew’ and Judaism meant little to me. Israel was my place of birth. My ‘identity’ as I then saw it was geographically oriented. Fortunately, I managed to complete my postgraduate course without becoming a ‘union member.’ But my thoughts about that morning at the student union hall have evolved into a few controversial books and hundreds of papers on ID politics and the current Identitarian dystopia.

In 2011 I wrote The Wandering Who? A Study of Jewish Identity Politics. The premise of the book was that if Israel defines itself as the ‘Jewish State’ then we have to dissect the meaning of the J-Word. We have to grasp how Judaism (the religion), Jews (the people) and Jewishness (the spirit, ideology and culture) relate to each other and how these terms influence Israeli politics and the activities of the Jewish Lobby around the world. Instead of studying ‘Zionism,’ an archaic term that is not relevant to most Israelis, my book focused on Jewish identifications. I did not address the problematic question of ‘who and what Jews are,’ I tried instead to find out what those who call themselves Jews identify with.

While this question is certainly germane to an understanding of Israel and the Middle East conflict, it is also crucial to an understanding of the current American dystopia. Instead of asking ‘who Americans are’ let us explore what Americans identify with.

In the post-political era, America is divided into two camps, let’s call them Americans and Identitarians. Americans see themselves primarily as American patriots. They often subscribe to a nationalist populist ideology and, like the Israelis, identify with a piece of geography. On the other hand, Identitarians are primarily liberals and progressives. They identify themselves in biological and sociological terms, and they see themselves first as LGBTQ, Latino, Black, Jewish, feminist etc. Their bond with the American nationalist ethos is at most secondary and often non-existent.

This division in America between ‘nationalism’ and ‘identitarianism’ is similar to the dichotomy I observed at the student union hall in 1994. In fact, Israel has become a prime model for American nationalists. Similarly, it is Jewish progressive ideology that inspires Identitarians globally and in America in particular. It is the pervasiveness of Jewish ideologies within both nationalist and Identitarian discourses that sustains the dominance of Jewish and Israeli political institutions in American politics.

The Israeli Lobby’s hegemony over American foreign policy and its force in advocating policies that favor Israel has been widely recognized. Numerous studies on the topic have been published, such as: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (Prof John Mearsheimer and Prof Stephen Walt), The Power of Israel in The United State (Professor James Petras). Alison Weir’s website, If Americans Knew routinely presents a devastating chronicle of Israeli intervention in American politics. The Washington Report on the Middle East Affairs has been producing outstanding work as well. The crucial question is, why have Americans let this happen?

My study of Jewish ID politics suggests that America isn’t just influenced by one Jewish lobby or another. The entire American political-cultural-spiritual spectrum has been transformed into a internal Jewish exchange. Most American do not see the true nature of the battle they participate in and, for the obvious reasons, their media and their academics do not help. It is more convenient to keep Americans in the dark.

America is rapidly moving towards a civil war. The divide isn’t only ideological or political. The split is geographical, spiritual, educational and demographical. In a Vox article titled, “The Midterm Elections Revealed that America is in a Cold Civil War,” Zack Beauchamp writes, “This is a country fundamentally split in two, with no real room for compromise.” Of the midterm election Beauchamp reports that “American politics is polarized not on the basis of class or even ideology, but on identity… One side open to mass immigration and changes to the country’s traditional racial hierarchy, the other is deeply hostile to it.” He correctly observes that “Republicans and Democrats see themselves as part of cultural groups that are fundamentally distinct: They consume different media and attend different churches; live in distinct kinds of places and rarely interact with people who disagree with them.”

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Despite this American schism, Israel and its Lobby are somehow able to influence both sides, managing to finding pathways to the secluded corridors of both parties. Although Democrats and Republicans can no longer talk to each other, it seems that both are happy to talk to Israel and the Lobby. And it is at AIPAC’s annual conference that these political foes compete in their eagerness to appease a foreign state. This anomaly in American politics demands attention.

As a former Israeli, I had not observed the effects of the Israel/ Jewish Diaspora dilemma until I had my experience at the Student Union Hall in Britain. Israel was born with the Zionist desire to eradicate the identity of Jews as cosmopolitans. Zionism promised to bond the Jew with the soil, with a territory, with borders. Thus, it is consistent with the Zionist paradigm that Israel is notorious for its appalling treatment ofasylum seekers, immigrants and, of course, the indigenous people of the land. Israel has surrounded itself with separation walls. Israel deployed hundreds of snipers in its fight to stop the March of Return – a ‘caravan’ of Palestinian refugees who were marching towards its border. Israel has been putting into daily practice that which Trump has promised to deliver. For a Trump supporter, Israel’s politics is a wet dream. Maybe Trump should consider tweaking his motto in 2020 into ‘Let’s make America Israel.’ This would encompass building separation walls, bullying America’s neighbors, the potential to cleanseAmerica of the ‘enemy within,’ and so on. It is not surprising that in 2016 Trump beat Clinton in an Israeli absentee exit poll. The Israelis do love Trump. To them, he is a vindication of their hawkish ideological path. Although during the election Trump was castigated as a vile anti-Semite and a Hitler figure by the Jewish progressive press, once elected, Fox News was quick to point out that Trump was actually the ‘First Jewish President.’

We can see that Israel, Trump and his voters have a lot in common. They want militant anti immigration policies , they love ‘walls,’ they hate Muslims and they believe in borders. When alt right icon Richard Spencer described himself on Israeli TV as “a White Zionist” he was actually telling the truth. Israel puts into practice the ideas that Spencer and Trump can so far only entertain. But the parallels between Israel and the Trump administration’s Republican voters is just one side of the story.

In my recent book, Being in Time – A Post Political Manifesto, I point out that while the old, good Left tried to unite us by insisting that it was not important whether one was Black, a Woman, a Muslim, a Jew or Gay; in the class war, we were all united against capitalism. It was the new Left that taught us to speak ‘as a’: as a Jew, as a Gay, as a Black and so on. Instead of being one people united in the struggle for justice and equality, within the post political realm we are pulled into endless identity battles.

Seemingly, this Identitarian revolution has been inspired by a few Jewish ideological and philosophical schools including, most importantly, the Frankfurt School. Truth must be said, when it comes to ID politics, Diaspora Jewish ideologists are often slightly more advanced than others, not because Jews are more clever than anyone else but simply because Jews have engaged in identity politics far longer than anyone else. While Gay identity politics is about four decades old and Feminism is maybe a century old, Jewish identity politics started in Babylon two and a half millennia ago. In fact, Judaism can be realised as an exilic Identitarian project. It deliberately and carefully sustains Jewish cultural, spiritual and physical segregation. Although Jews often drop their religion and dispose of God, many cling to Jewishness. For one reason or another, Jews often choose to operate within Jews- only political cells such as Jewish Voice for Peace, Jewish Voice for Labour and so on. These Jewish bodies tend to preach inclusiveness while practicing exclusivity.

So it is hardly surprising that Jewish Identitarian philosophy and Jewish Identitarian success provides the model that inspires most, if not all, Identitarian politics within the New Left milieu in general and the current Democratic Party in particular. This isn’t the place to discuss at length or in depth the reasons behind Jewish identitarian success, however, it should be mentioned that while most Identitarians are taught to celebrate victimhood, to blame others for their misfortune, Jewish Identitarianism has a subtle dynamic balance between victimhood and entitlement.

Naturally, Jewish ideologists are at the helm of the Identitarian revolution. Maybe more well known is the fact that a chief funder of that revolution is financier George Soros and his Open Society Institute. Soros may genuinely believe in the Identitarian future: It is cosmopolitan, it is global, it defies borders and states but far more significantly, it also serves to divert attention from Wall Street and capitalist crimes: as long as Identitarians fight each other, no one bothers to fight Wall Street, Goldman Sachs and corporate tyranny. Soros didn’t invent this strategy, it has long been called ‘divide and conquer.’

The abovesheds light on the depth of influence of Jewish politics in America. While Israel is an exemplar of contemporary Republican goals, Democrats are emulating Jewish Diaspora identitarianism. The two contradictory Jewish ideologies are each well- ensconced within the two rival ideologies that are tearing America apart. The red Republican counties want America to be Israel Again. Thelarge metropolitan areas near America’s coasts have adopted the twelve tribes of Israel model – a loose Identitarian coalition threatened by Samaritans, Canaanites, Amalekites or as Hillary Clinton calls them the ‘basket of deplorables.’

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The story of Jewish political strength in America doesn’t end there. A New York Jew can easily metamorphosize from an hard-core Identitarian into rabid Zionist settler and vice versa, but such a manoeuvre is not available to ordinary Americans. White nationalist Richard Spencer can not make the political shift that would turn him into a progressive or a liberal just as it is unlikely that a NY transsexual icon would find it possible to become a ‘redneck.’ While Jewish political identity is inherently elastic and can morph endlessly, the American political divide is fairly rigid. Jewish ideologists frequently change positions and camps, they shift from left to right, from Clinton to Trump (Dershowitz), they support immigration in their host counties yet oppose it in their own Jewish State, they are against rigid borders and even states in general, yet support the two state solution in Palestine (Chomsky). Gentiles are less flexible. They are expected to be coherent and consistent.

It was this manoeuvrability that made PM Netanyahu’s 2015 speech in front of a joint session of Congress a ‘success,’ although it might well have been considered a humiliation for any American with an ounce of patriotic pride. As we wellknow, Bibi can communicate easily with both Republicans and Democrats just as he cansimultaneously befriend Trump and Putin. He deploys snipers at the Gaza border with orders to kill while considerately peppering his statements with LGBTQ human rights advocacy. Not many Americans have dared to address this topic, but I believe that there are some who, by now, can see the situation clearly.

It was the Israeli in me who saw the disparity between ‘Israeli’ and ‘Jew’ at the Student Union Hall because I was raised as an Israeli patriot. I was trained to love and even die for the soil I mistakenly believed to be mine. As an Israeli, I was also trained to think tribal but speak universal, and I learned how to whine as a victim yet exercise oppression. But at a certain point in my life, around my thirties, I started to find all of it too exhausting. I wanted to simplify things. I demoted myself into an ordinary human being.

 
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  1. llloyd says: • Website

    Atzmon surprisingly misses one point. America has always been Israel. The Pilgrim fathers worshipped the Jews. The conical hat of the Puritans appears to be inspired from the conical hat of the Ashkenazi. That turned into the witch’s hat and Theresa May’s long bent nose. The fathers of the American revolution mostly belonged to Masonic Clubs with their Jewish symbols. Washington city was “the city on the hill” that was Zion not the Potomac. The Old Testament except for phil-Hellene Luke was written entirely by Jews. That was, well, America’s bible. Differences are every Sabbath the American Synagogues pray for the safety of Israel. Every Sunday, the fundamentalist Christians pray for the destruction of Israel in preperation for the Second Coming. Like every Jewish origin, the two are joined by their apparent opposite natures.

  2. @llloyd

    ‘…Every Sunday, the fundamentalist Christians pray for the destruction of Israel in preperation for the Second Coming…’

    Ahem. Perhaps in theory, but in practice, that’s not exactly what I’ve seen. American fundamentalist Christians are the bedrock and biggest single reason for American support of Israel.

  3. OMG says:

    Atzmon as a philosopher is consistently underrated, despised and ignored – certainly because of his subject matter.

    He, I believe, was the first to identify or at least name and define the religion of Holocaustianity and deserves credit for that. And he is getting better, deserving of our attention and respect.

    Best wishes Gilad!

    • Agree: Moi, mark green
  4. I’d not describe you as an ordinary human being but that’s not a criticism.

  5. You were automatically enrolled in the Student Union when you became a student – it’s actually a legacy of state-socialism. Those identity-based student union associations at the freshers fair were not ‘the union’.

  6. VeVePe says:
    @llloyd

    If you really want to trace roots, you have to go at least as far back as the creation of Protestantism in the 14th through 16th centuries. See book “Jewish Influence on Christian Reform Movements” by Rabbi Louis Israel Newman. One should also take a look at the Knights Templar, who were forced to go underground. Perhaps Freemasonry can be viewed as a continuation of the Templars.

  7. llloyd says: • Website
    @llloyd

    I should of course have said. The bible except for Luke was written entirely by Jews.

  8. Reading the article the thought came up ‘when will the USA, the majority of USA citizens, (begin to) realise that the era of USA foreign politics for internal political reasons, is over, no longer affordable ?’
    The 19th century USA Civil War was horrible, as with all civil wars it was, to a large extent a foreign war.
    If indeed again a USA civil war starts, I’m not optimistic about the possibility of preventing it, not much of the present USA will still be there at the end, fysically.
    And, will there still be a political USA when the fighting stops, or will it end as Germany, the foreign victors creating the USA they want ?
    A USA, as Germany now under Merkel, intent on destroying itself culturally ?

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  9. @llloyd

    ” Always been Israel. ”
    The meaning is not quite clear, what is clear is that Bernard Baruch as a young man in the USA did not experience the USA as an Israel.
    Antisemitism everywhere, read his two autobiograpies.
    Jewish political power in the USA began to become clear in the USA say around 1918, Henry Ford sr calling Bernard Baruch ‘the jewish economic dictator of the USA’, Baruch was Hitler’s Germany’s Speer in the USA.
    Around 1918 Ford bought his local paper, The Dearnborn Express, to warn against the judaisation.
    In 1933 he gave up,world wide boycott of Ford cars.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  10. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @llloyd

    You’re correct; Christianity, which is outright Jew-worship, is America’s primary problem.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Them Guys
  11. >I was trained to love and even die for the soil I mistakenly believed to be mine.

    Incomprehensible remark. Which camp are you in? Individually, my soil is the geography that is listed as legally belonging to me in the county land office. On a larger stage, the collectively owned plots of citizens living in a functioning nation state is their soil so long as that nation state perseveres over time.

    The remark is over-the-top in idiocy. At first I suspected it that it was a provocation. More likely a brain fart.

    • Troll: Colin Wright
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    , @Jim Whelan
  12. I wouldn’t say Zionism is an archaic term, especially since you use it in reference to Israel’s modern day founding.

  13. @llloyd

    America isn’t Israel, it’s only a mid 20th century paradigm established by the anti defamation league which makes it so. America was formed as a distinctly christian nation. It’s only the confusion about the nationality of modern jews, the khazars, that most christians accept those imposters as brothers.

    Watch Steve Anderson’s “Marching to Zion” documentary on YT. It spells things out about as clearly as can be done.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  14. Another reflection – it seems true that jews have different opinions regarding what is just and that many have harbored idealistic notions about the inchoate brotherhood of mankind whilst less many leading practical lives see through such vaporous ideas in the cold light of reality. On both sides of the question, their voices are prominent in public discourse reflecting their high IQ. Other than their public prominence, how do they differ from any other group likewise made up of airheads removed from the vicissitudes of real life and those earning their living in real life?

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
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    , @druid
    , @pensword
    , @cassandra
  15. “Soros may genuinely believe in the Identitarian future: It is cosmopolitan, it is global, it defies borders and states but far more significantly, it also serves to divert attention from Wall Street and capitalist crimes.”

    Question: Is a crime “capitalist” because a capitalist commits it (e.g. murder), or, is this “crime” something only a capitalist can commit? If the later, what is it, or, what are, these crimes?

    With reference to the former, it would seem that with the biggies — mass-murder, forced labor, ethnic cleansing, theft — have been more the work of those guys building the Socialist Workers Paradise — Stalin, Mao, Castro. Then when they are well underway, they tend to shift toward the identitarian side.

    In terms of long term demographic shifts, however, the capitalist criminals seem to be more popular than the socialist ones.

  16. So good to see Gilad Atzmon here at Unz. I have read his two books, The Wandering Who? and Being in Time, and can thoroughly recommend them.

    These Jewish bodies tend to preach inclusiveness while practicing exclusivity.

    But of course! They first begged for inclusion into our powers structures, then once we complied, they returned the favor by taking them over and excluding us from them.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  17. @llloyd

    The Old Testament except for phil-Hellene Luke was written entirely by Jews.

    Wait a minute: which Old Testament book did Luke write? I am aware of that the Gospel of Luke in the New Testament is attributed to him (or one of his disciples, at least), but nothing in the old one. Also, wasn’t Luke himself half-Jewish? At any rate, that’s what we were told in Bible class: that his father had been Greek, but his mother Jewish. (Which would, of course, have made him officially Jewish under halacha.)

  18. wayfarer says:

    Judaism has chosen the dark cosmic path.

    As it is nothing more than a “service-to-self” ideology, characterized by negative concepts (e.g. greed, selfishness, egocentrism, etc.). It’s proven to be incapable of cultivating forgiveness and is apparently absolutely immiscible with any form of a “service-to-others” ideology.

    Today, one need look no further than the uncharitable Judaic state of Israel, as it sows self-serving seeds of deception, betrayal, thievery, tormented fear, racist hypocrisy, cold-hearted hatred, and ethnic genocide.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  19. It’s a delight to read you here, Mr Atzmon. Welcome!

    Jewish manoeuvrability versus Western coherence and consistency. Like Judaism, Islam also permits, even encourages, two-facedness. From the book of Islamic law, Reliance of the Traveller:

    ‘r8.2 If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible…and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory.’

    A civilization which values the truth will inevitably be damaged if it allows cultures which thrive on dissembling and lying to take up residence and acquire influence. Let’s hope the West can recover from at least some of the damage done to it by the politicians we have elected, and continue to elect.

  20. fnn says:

    If the past existence of a show like Hogan’s Heroes isn’t enough to convince you, here’s further proof that the anti-Hitler hysteria has greatly increased in recent decades:

    https://neworderorg.wordpress.com/2018/05/21/the-history-of-american-national-socialism-part-vii-the-national-socialist-white-peoples-party-1967-1982/

    Some NSWPP activities may seem startling by the standards of 2018. In 1976 and 1977, a contingent of uniformed stormtroopers, led by three drummers and a flag bearer, marched in the annual Arlington, Virginia, Fourth of July parade, along with the high school band, the VFW, the Rotary and other non-controversial participants. As I can personally attest, the National Socialists received both cheers and catcalls from onlookers along the parade route.

    The career of a new Mel Brooks would go nowhere today!

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  21. Jake says:

    Indispensable sentence: “It is the pervasiveness of Jewish ideologies within both nationalist and Identitarian discourses that sustains the dominance of Jewish and Israeli political institutions in American politics.”

    The average Conservative Middle American probably scratches his head and mutters: It makes sense that Identitarian cultural politics would be dominated by Jewish ideologies, but shouldn’t Populist and/or Nationalist cultural politics be dominated by Anglo-Saxon ideologies, Anglo-Saxon identity?

    My answer is: Yank Populist and Nationalist cultural politics are indeed dominated by Anglo-Saxon ideologies. WASP culture, to use the American designation, is the product of Judaizing heresy on the sections of the English populace that both were preponderantly truly Anglo-Saxon in bloodline and resented and wished to replace the linguistically Anglicized Norman culture that was defined, at least in the public Anglo-Saxon mind, with hereditary nobility and bishops, old money and country estates, arrogant easy living at the expense of virtuous, hard-working, humble descendants of the hearty Germanic pagans who had conquered the land.

    Judaizing theology, well before the reign of Charles I or even his father, came to overlay the entire structure of English-speaking low church/radical Reformation identity, which means Judaizing ways of thinking about politics also came to dominate. Which means that the English Civil War, out of which modern Anglo-Saxon cultural identity and expression was fully formed, installed as the national standard a culture that featured, inescapably, the many fruits of Judaizing heresy.

    WASP culture is inherently antithetical to Christendom, and it always reveals its Judaizing basis, the Judaizing source of its will to power.

  22. Anon43 says:

    So, Gilad, welcome to the human race.

    Good article.

  23. @llloyd

    I am not sure i am missing the point, I instead develop another point. I don’t have any issue with the topic you raise here, you are absolutely correct…

  24. @Alfred Barnes

    By archaic I refer to the usage of Zionism within the context of contemporary Hebrew language and Israeli politics. Israelis see themselves as post revolutionary products. Zionism is clearly meaningful for Diaspora Jews…

  25. Jake says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    The stereotype of the wily Semitic trader who lies with seemingly his every breath does, like all stereotypes that grow from real people observing the world around them, spring from truth.

    Does this understanding of yours mean that you see the Inquisition in Spain opposite from the standard Anglo-Saxon assessment? Does it mean that you focus on certain Reformers teaching that the Saved, being Elect by God, were justified when telling lies in order to advance the cause of Reformation?

    Judaizing in every sense is all over the Reformation, and Islamic Semitizing coming from Spain is also a significant feature of the Reformation.

    The simplistic Germanic mind, including its Anglo-Saxon form, tends to think in terms of blood being vastly superior to ideas: the Germanic mind tends to believe in the salvation of blood, which is the reason Jews always have been drawn to Germanic cultures.

  26. It is absolutely sad, for us, for the entire world that it takes an ex-Israeli to show us the dichotomy that is so plainly visible but isn’t noticed.

    Perhaps it is, but the toxic nature of the discourse that will follow anyone who wishes to say it aloud is what is drowning us all here. Ironically it is Gilad, a Jew that can openly see the dichotomy and says it as it is on the UR, hosted by yet another Jew.

    I wish you well Gilad and may the good lord have mercy on you and all of us, around the world who have been crushed (figuratively for us, literally for the palestinians, the syrians, the venezuelans, the (east) ukrainians) under the jack boot of the ‘empire’ as it is. Our elites, I’m afraid are truly messianic (there’s nothing pragmatic about them) and they wish to further this dystopia to the whole wide world

  27. neutral says:

    the identity split between Israel and the Jewish Diaspora

    This “split” is not hard at all to understand, the jew wants to have all white nations turn into brown business units to be administered. Obviously they don’t want to suffer the same fate as white people thus the different behaviour in Israel.

    I also need to note that the jews argue that those that are anti jewish make contradictory claims like how jews are both arch capitalist or arch communists, these arguments again miss the point that jews are inherently deceitful and will use whatever tools that are appropriate at the moment. The common thread for all these things is that jews are anti white, both Israel and the international jew.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  28. Before building the heavy edifice of an argument on a weak foundation shouldn’t the State of Israel be confirmed as being either a legitimate historical (biblical) inheritance or simply as a counterfeit entity that could be more accurately be described as ‘Occupied Palestine’?

    Is the Bible, the source legitimizing said state in its current iteration a fiction or a cleverly constructed and edited tract used to control pre-literate and subsequently more modern populations?

    Further to that why are the majority of the current occupants the Ahskenazis actually of Turkic extraction (Khazars) who have no historical connection to the geographical area roughly situated around ancient Judea?

    If my questions on this issue have any merit at all then is not the whole concept of Israel, concerns for, comparisons with, wars by, wars for etc. just a huge practical joke on the rest of the world from the get-go?

    Cheers-

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Carroll Price
  29. Sparkon says:
    @Alfred Barnes

    “America was formed as a distinctly christian nation. “

    No it wasn’t.

    “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

    —John Adams

    Seemingly, those of us who do know history are condemned to listen to self-assured ignoramuses who don’t.

    The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding….

    –Thomas Jefferson, April 11, 1823, letter to John Adams

    Thomas Jefferson’s hope lives on in at least a few stout hearts and clear heads who are still waiting for the dawn of reason in these United States.

    Is it really darkest just before dawn?

    Let us be perfectly clear: We are not now, nor have we ever been, a Christian nation. Our founding fathers explicitly and clearly excluded any reference to “God” or “the Almighty” or any euphemism for a higher power in the Constitution. Not one time is the word “god” mentioned in our founding document. Not one time.

    Founding Fathers: We Are Not a Christian Nation

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @Alfred Barnes
  30. To see the playbook for the Zionist control of America read The Protocols of Zion and there it is all laid out in detail how to subvert and destroy Americas culture and how to control the U.S. government and it has all happened just as the Protocols predicted and now America is under total Zionist control.

    The key to the zionist control of America is their control over the FED and IRS which are both privately owned by the zionist banking kabal and were passed into being by a corrupt congress and signed by a corrupt Potus Wilson and thus was the American people sold into slavery under the zionist banking kabal.

    Abolish the FED and IRS and have the U.S. government print its own debt free money as it was before 1913 and eliminate the zionist FED debt creating machine that ties America in chains to the zionist banking kabal.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @36 ulster
  31. @Jake

    Jake—As a simplistic-minded Anglo-Saxon I do not condone lying, even when it is practised by high and mighty Christians. Nowadays, Western Christianity tells lies (for example, diversity is a ‘gift not a threat’) in order to advance the cause of population replacement. Perhaps lying comes easily to people who believe they are doing God’s work.

    • Agree: Z-man
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    , @anonymous
  32. Gilad, I great appreciate your work on Jewish identity. You have done a great service to humanity and those interest in human culture, commerce, politics, power, war and all the other aspects of three dimensional human society in the 21st century.

    I think you are giving the identitarian side of this American civil conflict to much credit. I would say the proper metaphor to describe this side on the conflict s less the 12 tribes of Israel than a coalition of barbarian tribes at the gates of Rome. In that the different groups in this coalition of tribes are united not through a concise or even collection of shared affirmative values but they are instead united in opposition to a common enemy, the nationalist which you have aptly described.

    The average Black America has little to no experience interaction or interest in Latinos and Latinos silently despise Black Americans on a racial level. At times this disgust is played out not so silently as in the violence occuring in Los Angeles as Mexicans are taking over traditional black communities such as Compton and South Central LA, which the occasional gang fights and gun shoots of which Blacks, more or less end up on the losing side as gun shot victims to the indifference of local police forces.

    Whether low income or middle class Blacks and Latinos, they have zero in common culturally and on a racial ethnic level, Latinos (or more appropriately mestizos) who have for 400 plus bred in the crude yet subtle and fixed racial hierarchies of Latin America, have a hidden though in their minds very conscious level of racial phobia and distain towards Black Americans, the lowest level of racial identities in their land of origins, which Americans could never appreciate.

    When you span the length and breadth of this identitarian coalition, you will find more or less the same levels of distain between and amongst these groups.

    Recall the crisis at MSNBC over the Joy Reid comments on Gay people. Here comments where typical of regular low income, working class and middle class Black Americans, Caribbean Americans and Africans from Africa (of which Joy Reid though born in America is half and half the last two groups).

    Black Americans on average despise homosexuality on the same level as White Evangelicals. So Joy Reid decided to lie instead of admit her statements as to admit them would of exposed the reality of regular black peoples conservative ideas.

    You can go on and on with this. Such as the many Indian Americans who make us this group, when they are as equally racist towards non-Indians and aspire towards Anglo-Whiteness.

    So, I think this identity group coalition is simple a collection of sheparded groups who are being engineered by White Liberal Women and Liberal Jews and are being fueled by tapping into their inner resentments towards the idea of Whiteness or White Males in order for the former group leaders to acquire political power and in order for the real power brokers who of course fund all this division to continue to exploit the human, technological and labor resources of America as the center of global financial and political power.

    At the end of the day, yes they may or probably will lead to civil conflict and I can’t predict what that means.

    As you move your analysis to covering the identity vs. nationalist civil crisis emerging in America I look forward to how you dissect this phenomenon especially in light of the emergence of so many identitarians taking up leadership positions in this conflict and the role that Liberal Jews and I would suggest White Liberal Feminism and Feminist have and will be playing in this battle (or some may say diversion) for control (or some may seem token power) of America’s destiny.
    silently as in the case of the gang wars in Los ANge

  33. This is a bit reductive. This commenter does not recognize himself in the dichotomy above. When forced to choose a race on bureaucratic forms, this commenter enters ‘human.’ Letting them call you an American opens you up for intensely manipulative statist propaganda. And when you know your rights – your human rights, as opposed to your bullshit half-assed revoked constitutional rights – your race is incidental. You know that nondiscrimination underpins your ethics and the law.

    This sort of identity is certainly ferociously suppressed by the Israeli fifth column. Falk is this kind of guy too, a Jew but so what, and look what they did to him. Ajamu Baraka too. This overwhelming tidal wave of immigrants from the global south: they grew up with human rights, including the crucial right to solidarity, which negates all the invidious aspects of identity politics. Basically, as a human you side with underdogs worldwide: Okinawans, Palestinians, landless Latin Americans, Africans, you name it. Cohesive social forces are not confined to ethnic groups.

    Tensions behind the Iron Curtain inside the US are incidental. The real conflict is us humans versus overreaching states. Given the downtrodden nature of the US subject population, this conflict is playing out mainly outside US borders. The left/right continuum has always been a CIA construction. Statists and humanists array on an orthogonal axis, and that contention continued when CIA rolled the old left up. Cosmopolitans have not gone away.

    Israel may be infecting the US with statist divide et impera, but humanist institutions are penetrating Israel too. Look what’s happening as the HRC and other human rights treaty bodies review Israel.

    http://www.treatybodywebcast.org/cat-57th-session-israel/

    Israel is formally accused of interpreting its commitments in bad faith. This allows treaty bodies to gang up and apply international criminal law to Israeli torture, murder, and extermination. It’s already happening to criminal US officials. Israel’s next.

  34. Nonny says:
    @Anonymouse

    If it is to you an incomprehensible remark you might have spared us your uncomprending judgment of it. And when English is your second language there’s no need to expound to us your limited interpretation of it.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  35. @llloyd

    At the very least, you are conflating New England and America.

    And the New England Puritans (and Pilgrims) did not so much as worship the Jews as seek to emulate their sense of entitlement to the land. If they were worshiping anyone, it was themselves, once again, in emulation of the Jews as portrayed in the OT/Tanakh. The same is true of other Calvinist and Calvinist-inspired Protestant sects–the Afrikaaners in South Africa and the Mormons in Utah to name two.

    It’s true that the “chosenist” dogma of Jewry resonated in Anglo-Protestanitsm more generally, mainly because of the sense of separateness that the English Channel afforded. See the “This England” speech from Richard II and the lyrics of Rule, Britannia.

    Ultimately though, political Jewry managed to leverage the liberal dimensions of American Anglo-Protestantism to subvert it and replace Anglo cultural dominance with its own.

  36. Z-man says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    This imposter masquerading as a Pope, Frankie, is a heretic and anti Pope. Am I being redundant? lol He must be replaced asap by a young firebrand who will go after the pedophiles with a vengeance and bring back the traditional pre Vatican II values/truths but spoken in the local language. The one other thing I would do from the modern world is allowing certain priests to marry.

  37. @TRASH(NOT)

    Bless you Trash, I guess that I see it cos I am not a Jew anymore…

  38. Atzmon is right re “New York Jews”, them being potentially mutable. But, Israelis, being normal nationalists, cannot show the same level of “shape-shifting”. A multiculturalist minority in one country can become other nation’s nationalist majority. Just, Israeli nationalists cannot become Israeli open borders advocates, multiculturalists, globalists etc.

    Only a minority population, basically strangers in another country, can practice various ways of behavior. Host, dominant culture in a country- cannot. Dershowitz can change positions; just, both Netanyahu & any Israeli labor politician can not.

  39. It’s the hypocrisy that pisses everyone off with Jews. Few people, especially on the right, have any issue with a nation defending itself. It’s that the same Jews who are trying to shove diversity/multiculturalism/refugees down our throats are either supportive or silent when it comes to Israel making itself into a pure ethnostate behind barbed wire.

    It can’t, and won’t go on for much longer. Jews have been expelled from a hundred different nations and a whole bunch more are soon to be added to that list, including the U.S.

    Jews have a homeland to go to now, and it isn’t in North America or Europe.

    • Replies: @TRASH(NOT)
  40. All article is nonsense. Complete stupidity.
    Marxisms is embodiment of evil.
    Class warfare is a destroyer of nations.
    There is no such thing as Capitalism.
    The only correct social economic system was in Germany under Hitler.
    Persecution of Jews and Militarism deplorable as it was, and so it classification of Hitlers Germany is justified, but there also was the ideal socioeconomic system which deserves attention.

  41. Nonny says:
    @Jake

    Judaizing is in every sense all over the Reformation …

    Off the topic, but please explain to little Nonny Mouse two or three of those senses. How and why?

    Or is this the ongoing Papist war against the latter?

    And calling Arabizing Semitizing? Why?

    Or do you think Islam or Judaism is a race? In the modern world? Blood? Whose?

    • Replies: @Cleburne
    , @Anon
  42. Agent76 says:

    Jun 20, 2016 The Century of the Self – Part 1: “Happiness Machines”

    The story of the relationship between Sigmund Freud and his American nephew, Edward Bernays. Bernays invented the public relations profession in the 1920s and was the first person to take Freud’s ideas to manipulate the masses. He showed American corporations how they could make people want things they didn’t need by systematically linking mass-produced goods to their unconscious desires.

    • Replies: @L. Allen Bivin
  43. @Johnny Smoggins

    It’s that the same Jews who are trying to shove diversity/multiculturalism/refugees down our throats are either supportive or silent when it comes to Israel making itself into a pure ethnostate behind barbed wire.

    IMO, there is a certain “purpose” behind this. As long as there is racial “flux” in the nation, the “neo-conservative” (aka fake “conservatives”) can go on using the US military and our young lads as cannon fodder for their genocidal wars for “eretz Israel” and most of us would be too busy and exhausted to notice or fight it. This is because we are already struggling to fight the slow (but constant) demographic replacement that we see unfolding in front of us.

    If they want, they could easily overwhelm us with a LOT of “refugees” from mexico, central america and elsewhere. But that would have the unintended (and counter productive for them) consequence of domestic armed resistance, which could very well divert “resources” (read blood and treasure) away from their imperial wars abroad. Our lads would then be fighting to save the soul of our nation and THAT is not allowed! So the two sides of the zionist coin nicely compliment each other. They work for the SAME end goal

    And there are a lot of ultra corrupt goyim making a hell lot of money on this as well (the MIC). Which is why they want to prolong the phoney “war on terror” for as long as possible to make as much money as possible. There are a ton of treasonous snakes always looking at KBR, halliburton stocks and nothing moves them north as much as blood does (both theirs AND ours). It’s a sick world we have today and our government is a deeply compromised and corrupted one. Nothing but collapse would remake it i’m afraid.

  44. @jilles dykstra

    The term, US Civil War is a misnomer. In reality it was a war between two nations – The United States and the Confederate States of America. It was no more a civil war than was the War of Independence from England which also involved Englishmen fighting Englishmen over the right to form a new nation governed by themselves, rather than one governed by foreigners hostile to their traditions and way of life.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  45. @Gilad Atzmon

    Very welcome.

    BTW, while I’m at it, I should also plug his music skills. I had a chance to see him perform with his ensemble last spring and they were fantastic. Gilad blows a mean stax! If anyone here is into John Coltrane-style jazz, go see Gilad Atzmon if you get the chance.

  46. Civil war? How soon are we talking here? Perhaps, the status quo will be the foreseeable future… just humming along.

  47. Putin finally got pissed off and he hit below the belt.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/russia-pressuring-western-commodity-traders-pay-russian

    If this becomes a trend, US globalism will be in few years on its knees, and revolution in US will follow.
    (The guillotines will be dedusted.)

  48. anon[253] • Disclaimer says:

    I could not agree with you more. I had little connections to Jewish people except at work since I am a retired American Scientist. Nonetheless, it was always clear at work that they took care of themselves, ie, the “Jewish Cult”. That was abundantly clear. However, when I lived in Miami and attended several bar mitzvahs and bat mitzvahs I was exposed to the unadulterated greed, selfishness and egomania that is the hall mark of Judaism today. The funniest thing was when the former college roommate of the father whose son was having his bar mitavah was so embarrassed by the over the top party as well as the words of the Rabbi during the religious ceremony he and his wife left during the middle of the 6 course dinner for 250 people or so and before the live band with entertainer (MC) that performed later. At the time I had been to several Pharmaceutical Company galas but this Bar Mitzvah put them to shame. Must have cost $150,000 to $200,000 in the early 1990′s and was Black Tie Only. I had to rent a tux to go. Heck of a B-day for 13 y/o. But the comments by the Rabbi were the most telling. Greed was good and all the rest. Just do it for Israel and its ok. Its really is a conflict with the better parts of human nature and and the current sociopathic teachings of the Cult. Not the first religion to be hijacked by a bunch of sociopaths but in today’s dangerous World it might be the last.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  49. @Alfred Barnes

    As the root cause behind the current wars raging in the Middle East, Zionism (actually Political Zionism) is hardly an archaic term. Or maybe political Zionist hi-jacked Zionism.

  50. Seraphim says:
    @llloyd

    Wasn’t Luke… New Testament?

  51. Durruti says:

    Yipes!!!

    There is:

    Not one mention of the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (and its indigenous population), by the Zionist Land Thieves (including no mention by the commenters – who fail to see the forest for the trees.

    All discussion of Jews, or Judaism, without including a historical foundation in their major DEEDS (crimes by any other name), is (I fail for words – ahistorical).

    Palestine Palestine Palestine – do I need a verb?

    The Zionist crime against Palestine is the foundation for all evil, all crimes being committed on our planet, (which includes the subjugation of our once proud Nation, USA, and its Citizenry).

    The Palestinian People are the last victims of World War II.

    Restore the Republic!

  52. Given Gilad’s analysis, the depth of influence of Jewish power in American media and politics seems both ineradicable and insurmountable. When it comes to the American patriots on the Alt Right – the primary source of populist political dissent from the status quo – all of the loudest media vices and almost all of the biggest names are either Jewish or staunchly pro-Zionist.

    It’s well known that Infowars figurehead Alex Jones shills for the Zionist state of Israel – the king of conspiracies has always remained silent about Israel’s role in 9/11, etc. And then there’s figures like Paul Joseph Watson, Stefan Molyneaux, Jordan Peterson, Milo, Ben Shapiro, Mike Cernovich, Rebel Media, James O’Keefe (Project Veritas), Laura Loomer, Laura Southern, Jack Posobiec, Louder with Crowder, Ezra Levant, Tommy Robinson (UK) and the late Andrew Breitbart, etc. These are the biggest names in alternative media on the American patriots side of the great divide, and they’re all Jewish and/or pro-Israeli Zionism. And you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see that the ridiculously popular Q anon phenomenon is also an Israeli/Mossad military-intel psy-op manipulating MAGA “truthers” into supporting the Deep State: US-led regime change in Iran.

    And that means that even the dissident anti-establishment voices in the Alternative Media are just another form of Jewish Controlled Opposition. and the vast majority of the new counter-cultural conservatives are just drifting along as spectators in this facade, oblivious to the shameless manipulation of the Zionist’s uniquely deceptive Controlled Opposition agents in the alt media. All efforts at liberation from the stupifying concentration of Jewish power among the ruling elites of the Anglo-Zionist empire are lost without this knowledge and understanding of how this duplicitous Judeo-centric tribal politics at the heart of American imperialism manifests as the Jewish Controlled Opposition defining the limits of our resistance and the possible boundaries of our dissent to the dominant mainstream media narrative. As Lenin said, “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”

  53. Wally says:
    @Anonymouse

    said:
    “On both sides of the question, their voices are prominent in public discourse reflecting their high IQ …”

    Compared to what?
    You’ve taken more of their bait. They perpetuate the ‘high IQ myth’ as it serves as a rationale for their unearned influence.

    If one looks at, say, IQs of true Germans , Scandinavians, etc., leaving out the less than bright ‘immigrants’ in those countries, we see that ashkenazi Jews are down the list. Even compare national IQs, Israel is not that high.

    The proof is in the pudding, if Jews were really so smart they would have conjured up a better, more believable story than their impossibly fake & stupid ’6,000,000 & gas chambers’.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  54. Wally says:
    @DESERT FOX

    said:
    “The key to the zionist control of America is their control over the FED and IRS which are both privately owned by the zionist banking kabal and were passed into being by a corrupt congress and signed by a corrupt Potus Wilson and thus was the American people sold into slavery under the zionist banking kabal.”

    True, as far as it goes. But it’s the fake 6,000,000 & the fake ‘Nazi’ nonsense that silences any dissent or meaningful investigations. All critics are silenced by being called ‘a Nazi’, all debates end up in the fake Auschwitz ‘gas chambers’.

    • Replies: @Paul C.
    , @Sin City Milla
  55. anarchyst says:
    @Anonymous

    The beginning of the end of traditional Catholicism was sealed with the infiltration of the Catholic Church Vatican II Ecumenical Council of the 1960s by Jews and Protestants who were involved in the “modernization” of the Catholic Church.
    Much Catholic ritual and doctrine was discarded or changed, in order to reflect the “age” that we live in, as well as the promotion of the absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity which exists to this day. The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) to do their “dirty work” for them… Absolution of the jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion was a major mistake and has led to the jew-worship that we wee in today’s Catholic Church.
    Fortunately, there are Catholic organizations that subscribe to pre-Vatican II principles, one being the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  56. Miro23 says:

    But at a certain point in my life, around my thirties, I started to find all of it too exhausting. I wanted to simplify things. I demoted myself into an ordinary human being.

    A lot of people want this, but ordinary humans beings also have to live in societies – and quite sophisticated ones at that. Elected representatives (or leadership) need responsibility and integrity for it to work.

    THE US JOINS THE 3RD WORLD

    Government responsibility and integrity are not guaranteed (notably in places like Africa and S.E. Asia), but the United States is probably the leading example of a government failure in an advanced society. In the US, like much of the 3rd world, special interests (minority ethnic and commercial) loot the public through a corrupt bargain with the holders of political power. Hillary Clinton was the classic example, with the same “Pay to Play” philosophy as the usual leadership of the Philippines or the Congo.

    The 3rd world antidotes are Nationalism and Populism, but having gained power, political leaders usually sell out (sounds familiar). Also the public of the US have learnt to be trusting, and find it hard to believe that they’ve been hit by a classic 3rd world problem.

    In the US, Zionists have looted $ trillions in support of their Special Interest (Israel) and corporations have extracted many more $ trillions through the mass outsourcing of entire industries, complete with their technology and supply networks to Asia. It’s not engraved in stone that US industry, had to relocated to Asia or Indians have to be recruited for its IT work. Germany and Japan for example, have held onto their industrial leadership in recent decades and the US could have done the same. At one time the US was the world leader in US based automobile production (Detroit), steel, aluminium, camera and film, industrial chemicals, communications equipment, computers and electronics, aircraft and aerospace (still partly) etc. With what’s left in mostly in services and retail (often looted by Hedge Fund asset strippers).

    In other words, under a genuine post WW2 “America First” policy involving top quality national education, research and government support of leading industries, the US could still be the world’s leading industrial and economic power and not have to worry about debt, deficits and social decline, and also find plenty of jobs for Latino migrants.

    However, the US got instead its present 3rd world style corrupt elite who know that nationalism is their Nº1 enemy.

    Only Anglos can mount a nationalist challenge, hence the paranoia when Trump arrived on the scene with his “America First” dialogue and Anglo base. In contrast, the whole apparatus of the Zioglob/ deep state/MSM defence is Identitarian, and aimed at destroying the foundations of Anglo society, with LGBT, “White guilt dialectics”, multiculturalism, exclusion from Ivy League universities, Hollywood slime, speech laws, statue demolition, in-your-face Africanization, massive debt, political corruption, open frontiers and exporting middle class jobs.

    CHINA JOINS THE 1ST WORLD

    The Chinese seem to be doing it right.They have an explicit national policy to gain and hold top positions in key world industries and make it a joint national effort to succeed (especially in national human development/education). Also when they find corrupt government officials (even at high levels) they quickly put them on trial and shoot them.

  57. LarryS says:

    A plan for peace in the Middle East? Look at a map of the ancient Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The Kingdom of Israel ended in 722 BC leaving the Kingdom of Judah. If modern Jews (Judeans) who are not actual descendants of Abraham are entitled to a country of their own then it should be no larger than ancient Judah. And it should be called Judea, not Israel.

  58. M Edward says:

    All dual-Israeli citizens need to expatriated from the U.S., their citizenship stripped and deported to Israel today !

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  59. Tyrion 2 says:

    Atzmon thibks patriotism and identitarianism are Jewish. He also mentions the old left, which everyone else thinks was substantially Jewish.

    Either Jews have phenomenal amounts of energy, or he can’t see the world for the Jews.

  60. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    Winston Churchill talked about this/these divisions in the Jewish people in the 1930s, back before Israel became a Jewish ethnostate – he presented the main 2 divisions between ethnic Jews who fell down in to the worst forms of Communism, Bolshevism, Anarchism in Russia and Eastern Europe and those other ethnic Jews who were sort of doing OK being loyal to their European/American countries especially England they lived in while also promoting a healthier form of Zionism working for some eventual Jewish national state somewhere probably in then British administered Palestine.

    Zionism vs Communism – a struggle for the Jewish Soul:

    https://communismblog.wordpress.com/2014/12/10/zionism-versus-bolshevism-by-winston-churchill/

    Churchill didn’t present the extremely bad alternative we had today:

    Jews in the diasapora everywhere from Russia to Poland to Germany, France, England, Canada, Sweden Australia, few left in South Africa our USA doing this:

    Promoting Israel over everything as an exclusively Jewish ethno state with endless US, UK other wars against Israel’s neighbors and….

    Promoting the worst forms of multi culturalism, open borders immigration in to the West, Jewish media mafia domination/monopoly of the mainstream media, social media in USA, UK, Sweden etc promoting the worst forms of porn, rap music, fake news, endless movies and TV shows demonizing all White European men as evil Racists, rapists – promoting the worst Jewish feminists/lesbians to the US Supreme Court, Rachel Maddow type news commentary etc.

  61. anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Timur The Lame

    The privately owned Jewish controlled propaganda machines, are shaping and reshaping the American CREP(culture, rel., Ethnic, political) into a binary: either accept Jewish control over your life, thoughts, deeds, and behaviors or come to battle against the Jewish controlled, well armed USA government. Its a challenge to “contestants with no Jewish interest” to fight a Jewish arranged out back game. Its a sucker’s challenge, J, tells Mac, Frank said you are a chicken, Mac tells J, tell Frank he’s a pinky, J books the bets, assemblies a crowd, Joe and Mac go home bloody, wondering why they fought, but J made 15% off the booked bets.

    Jewish privately owned media is weakening by separating the political powers of the masses which is rapidly dividing America( and factionating ot CREP wise. Exploitation by differentiation reduces the power of the masses into a polarized set weakeded infighting units. Instead of crowd power infighting. Separately incited by the propaganda the groups will take on each other, and the Jewish interest will coopt those skirmishes into a civil war of non Jewish Americans against the Jewish owned and operated USA. The Insigators will line their pockets and strengthen their positions.

    agree: Identitarian revolution has been inspired by a few Jewish ideological and philosophical schools

    agree: Jews have engaged in identity politics far longer than anyone else.

    agree: Judaism can be realised as an exilic Identitarian project. It deliberately and carefully sustains Jewish cultural, spiritual and physical segregation. Yes, Zionism (1896) exploited identity to take the oil from the Arabs (WWI, WWI, Balfour Agreement, invasion of Palestine, WWII, conversion of British Jewish Military base in Palestine, because the first Bankster owned (privatized) armed camp with nation state authority and powers.

    disagree: Jewish ideologists are at the helm of the Identitarian revolution; instead I see paid profession propagandist drawing on Jewish Idealism to produce conquer and divide propaganda.

    Polarized Jewish divide and conquer teams, tearing America apart [(Republican Israeli Reds) vs (Demo-12 (blues)] are powered by privately owned Jewish propaganda machines. To stop the dissension all that is needed is to make media say the truth and to hear all voices at all times on all things. Shutting down the media, selecting who can say or read what is the engine driving the masses to war. If war break out I will call it the search engine war. A revolution will happen at the polls not at the point of a gun.

  62. Agent76 says:

    July 28, 2014 How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

    Jan. 24, 2009 Moshav Tekuma, Israel Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor’s bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile’s trajectory back to an “enormous, stupid mistake” made 30 years ago.

    https://www.transcend.org/tms/2014/07/how-israel-helped-to-spawn-hamas/

    Sep 18, 2018 Mapping Segregation

    “Mapping Segregation – Google Maps and the Human Rights of Palestinians”

  63. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
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    All problems of free marked economy (You call capitalistic) can be solved very easily.
    All it needs a honest for the people government.
    Tiberius (Roman Caesar ) was solving the problem peculiar ways.
    He declared wealthy Romans traitors one after another and kept executing them.
    Than he confiscated their properties.
    He filled up the empire coffers to the rim in short time. (Caligula did spent all the money on tourism.)
    The affair was quite extremist. (We do not have to do it such a drastic way.)
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
    All we have to do is to increase the levy and make them to become progressive taxes on inheritance.
    And government will have enough money for roads and social programs.
    This not only will bring justice to the system, it also will increase speed of the growing of the economy.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    Double benefit to the nations.
    (And it will be bloodless.)

  64. Agent76 says:

    Nov 3, 2018 The Lobby – USA, episode 1

    The Covert War. This video is posted here for news reporting purposes.

  65. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    What led to Jew-worship was written in the Jew Testament, which is pre-Vatican II. A couple samples of pedestalizing Jews follow:

    • John 4:22 “We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.”
    • Romans 1:16 “The Jew first.”

    And who cares if the Jews killed one of their own Rabbis? Why does Jew-on-Jew violence concern you so much you must stake your life on one side or the other of a Jewish imbroglio? Pilate is the only noble fellow in the whole Jew Testament, washing his hands of a vapid Rabbinical spat. Do thou likewise.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  66. Listen closely, all you Rocket Scientist “Scientific Racists”: “As long as Identitarians fight each other, no one bothers to fight Wall Street, Goldman Sachs and corporate tyranny. Soros didn’t invent this strategy, it has long been called ‘divide and conquer.’”

  67. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @M Edward

    Your plan of dual-citizen expulsion would include all Christians.

    • Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in Jewheaven [i.e., Jerusalem, Rev. 21:2].

    • Ephesians 2:19 So now you Gullible Goyim are no longer strangers and foreigners. You are citizens along with all of Jewgod’s holy Jew people.

    • Troll: renfro
  68. @OMG

    He, I believe, was the first to identify or at least name and define the religion of Holocaustianity and deserves credit for that.

    Ingrid Rimland openly used that term decades ago already to describe this religion, years before she eventually married Ernst Zündel.

    • Replies: @OMG
  69. Rurik says:

    Hello Mr. Atzmom,

    I have long admired your noble efforts on behalf of the Palestinian people. You often write in ways that resonate with me, and I’m glad to see you here at The Unz Review.

    Israel deployed hundreds of snipers in its fight to stop the March of Return – a ‘caravan’ of Palestinian refugees who were marching towards its border. Israel has been putting into daily practice that which Trump has promised to deliver. For a Trump supporter, Israel’s politics is a wet dream.

    But I have to tell you, you’re waaayyy off with this characterization of Trump supporters.

    There are, I’m sure, a lot of brain-dead “Christian” Zionists who drool at the prospect of slaughtered Palestinians, because murdering Christ’s modern day relatives living in his lands are the only way to force Jesus to return and give them their rapture. And I suppose there are perhaps a fraction of a percentage point of people who actually want Trump to throw out (or murder) all non-whites to create the kind of racial purity Bibi and his crew of psychopaths are demanding for Israel.

    But from what I’ve seen, and being one of them, as to the vast majority of what you call “Trump supporters”, the idea of murdering people in order to steal their land, is a monstrous absurdity.

    For the record, we voted for Trump to end the demonic reign of terror and mass murder in the Middle East. The very kind of mass-murder and daily atrocities that were cackling Hillary’s (“we came, we saw, he died) and Bill’s (“it’s worth it”) trademark.

    We voted for Trump as a repudiation of those evils, that had long stained our national soul, and indeed had made America the kind of place Bibi was pleased with.

    We did not vote for Trump to murder and steal, or otherwise do anyone harm. We voted for Trump to do the opposite, and end the Eternal Wars for Israel. No one on the Alt-right likes the wars. We simply want to be left alone, to pursue our humble lives unmolested by globalists and their nefarious designs for us. Is that so terrible?

    . In fact, Israel has become a prime model for American nationalists.

    with all due respect, that is a vile smear, Sir.

    Where are these ‘white nationalists’ who’re demanding we terrorize and murder and steal other people’s land? Eh?

    For the record, white nationalists are today’s Palestinians. What they’re demanding is that they don’t have to give up the lands they have, and were born on, and be forced out to make room for unlimited others. Or forced to assimilate to an Hispanic or Muslim culture and way of life. Is that so egregious? To want to persevere as an American in an American culture, with hostility to none, and trade with and good relations with all and any who respond in good faith?

    Why is it that all white people, from Europe to N. America and everywhere else, are all expected to invite every non-white, non-Western, often hostile armies of (especially military age young men) into our lands, and then treat them better than the indigenous, white second class citizens?

    What is it with that?!

    Either Germans and Swedes and Americans hand over their nations or we’re all going to be called “Nazis” or “racists” or God help us, “Zionists”.

    WTF?

    We can see that Israel, Trump and his voters have a lot in common. They want militant anti immigration policies , they love ‘walls,’ they hate Muslims and they believe in borders.

    well, only the stupidest imbecile on the planet doesn’t believe in borders. (or, an ideologue that wants to see *certain* nations destroyed by armies of immigrants – hostile or otherwise).

    No one wants recognized borders more than the Palestinians. It is Israel that refused to state its border, because it want to steal more land. How many Trump voters do you hear talking about stealing other people’s land? (I’m not talking about lunatics like Bolton. American nationalists despise Bolton and McCain and all the rest of the Zionist, globalist scum)

    And I don’t personally know of any reasonable American nationalist who ‘hates Muslims’. They just don’t want them all here. Have you ever heard of Kosovo, Mr. Atzmon? There are neighborhoods in Michigan that were Polish Catholic for generations. And they liked it that way. They never hated Muslims or anyone else. But they do hate having their communities taken over by alien peoples with alien cultures and now have to listen to ‘calls to prayer’ at five in the morning every day. And demands for Sharia and other clashes with their former way of life.

    Are these people rabid Zionists demanding to murder people and steal their land, just because they don’t want throngs of Muslims coming in and transforming their community into something they don’t recognize or have any predilection for. Are they simply too racist and hateful, and need to learn to assimilate? Eh?

    I don’t know who this Spencer guy is, and he sound like controlled opposition to me.

    It would be wrong to equate nationalism with the frothing’s of some so called “white-Zionist”. The only white Zionists I know of are the lunatic “Christian” Zionists.

    The nationalists I know of simply want to be left -the fuck- alone!

    Stop demanding that we hand over our country to people who don’t appreciate it. (Indeed, often hate it) Stop demanding that we doom our children to living in a nation that puts them last in every way, behind every single non-white immigrate that can get to these shores. It is insane to want to have people come to your nation who will be a burden, who often hate you and yours, not to mention your culture, and want to displace you. It is insane to insist that millions of people come in and compete with your children on an un-level playing field. Every non-White immigrant that comes here gets Affirmative Action promotions and jobs and university preference over the white children who were born here. Unless you hate white people, that state of affairs is insane.

    And yet here we are being badgered as thieving, psychotic murderous goons (Zionists) simply for wanting what every single sane person on the planet wants: to preserve our way of life and hand it down to our progeny – for them to have a decent life and hope for theirs in turn.

    And yet somehow, if we have white skin, wanting this is the most evil and wicked and racist thing imaginable!

    >>whew<<

    • Agree: geokat62
  70. windwaves says:
    @Colin Wright

    that is something I have realized myself recently and it’s the biggest disappointment ever. How can that be ? traitors.

  71. renfro says:

    Bravo Gilad…..good man…..stay strong.

  72. Anon[884] • Disclaimer says:

    I really welcome the arrival of one more upstanding Jewish writer at the Unz Review, following Mercer, Gottfried, Philip Weiss, Shamir (excuse me if I left any out the list. And, yes, I use “upstanding” for Shamir too, although his last contained an excerpt on bullied kids and boys who, he says, “do something that earns then being bullied”, which is a highly problematic claim to make).

    Atzmon is also a truly fine music performer, and I enjoy listening to his albums.

    Finally, for the sake of balance, shouldn’t this site feature at least a Zionist, alongside the many anti-Zionists? (And maybe a Palestinian writer too.)

    • Replies: @Rurik
  73. renfro says:

    Unless you watch congress you only know half of what they and congress do behind the back of the public. ((They)) want this taught in every school in America and taxpayers will pay for it.

    H.R.5460 – Never Again Education Act

    To authorize the Secretary of Education to award grants to eligible entities to carry out educational programs about the Holocaust, and for other purposes.

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    April 10, 2018
    Mrs. Carolyn B. Maloney of New York (for herself, Mr. Donovan, Mr. Roskam, Mr. Engel, Ms. Granger, Mrs. Lowey, Ms. Ros-Lehtinen, Mr. Deutch, and Mr. Veasey) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Education and the Workforce

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5460/text

    (6) HOLOCAUST EDUCATION PROGRAM.—The term “Holocaust education program” means a program that—
    (A) has as its specific and primary purpose to improve awareness and understanding of the Holocaust and educate students on the lessons of the Holocaust as a means to raise awareness about the importance of preventing genocide, hate, and bigotry against any group of people;
    (B) is delivered to students enrolled in middle grades or high school as both such terms are defined in section 8101 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965;
    (C) uses stories, testimonies, photos, diaries and other educational tools to support understanding rather than for shock value or sensationalism; and
    (D) furnishes one or more of the following:
    (i) Educational materials that are age- and grade-appropriate.
    (ii) Student and school-based activities, including field trips.
    (iii) The hiring of professional Holocaust educators to lead programming.
    (iv) Teacher training.
    (v) Programming that includes the following subjects where appropriate in instruction:
    (I) The breadth of the history of the Holocaust, including, the Third Reich dictatorship, concentration camp system, persecution of Jews and non-Jews, Jewish and non-Jewish resistance, and post-World War II trials.
    (II) Antisemitism, racism, and the abridgement of human and civil rights.
    (vi) Instruction in the content of Holocaust education that includes—
    (I) presentation of historically accurate information;
    (II) correct terminology, vocabulary, and labels, and encouraging students to use this vocabulary; and
    (III) primary documents, including personal testimony and sound historical research from respected resources.
    (vii) Supplementary resources required for teacher training, including transportation for teachers to and from training programs, housing at training programs, payment for substitute teachers while teachers are at training, and transportation of trainers to schools to provide training.
    (viii) Goods or services designed to improve awareness and understanding of the Holocaust.
    (7) SECRETARY.—The term “Secretary” means the Secretary of Education.
    SEC. 4. Program authorized.
    (a) Fund established.—There is established in the general fund of the Treasury a separate account which shall be known as the “Holocaust Education Assistance Program Fund”. To the extent provided in advance in appropriations Acts, amounts deposited into the Holocaust Education Assistance Program Fund shall remain available until expended to the Secretary to carry out the purposes of this Act in accordance with subsection (d).

  74. @Cameron Freeman

    Which is why you should be reading/listening to true dissident voices like Red Ice, E. Michael Jones, William Luther Pierce, The Daily Stormer, Counter Currents, Kevin MacDonald, Brother Nathaniel, National Vanguard and of course, Unz.

  75. druid says:
    @Anonymouse

    This high IQ stuff is BS!

  76. Anon[884] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    White nationalists are a mixed bunch, going from the very bad (as Atzmon) sees them to, maybe, the peaks of sainthood you attribute to them.

    The whole idea of legit owners of land is a rationalization: everybody (meaning: every group) took from someone else the land where they are, and did so by combat and might.
    Sure, in our more civilized times we’d like such things to be relegated in the past, borders to become stable, and ethnic cleansing and warfare to be a closed chapter.
    These are wishes and words about said wishes, though.

    Do you own a swath of land in the countryside, by chance? I do, and over the years all of the three of my neighbours have applied pressure to broaden their owned land so as to include a bit more than mine. Being the first stripe allowed, they’d go on, until I were left with no land at all, all of this while seeing themselves as honest.
    Whoever owns land, and whoever doesn’t have a need to believe Jews worse than other people knows what human nature is like when it comes to property, borders, and expansion.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @renfro
  77. druid says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    I think this is BS. Cannot take something out of a book and call it Islamic! The prophet Mohammed totally disparaged lying and the liar!

  78. Anyway!!!!

    Your obsession with Jews is becoming totally ridiculous. You sound like broken gramophone record. You make me sick.
    Limiting the power of the Jews will not solve the problem. Not even exporting the all Jews, or killing all Jews will solve the problem of free market society,
    The Jewish crooks will be only replaced by Goym crooks. And by the way there still more Goym crooks than Jewish crooks. What will be the difference?
    Everything in universe is circular than rotation of wealth must be circular also.
    Rotation of wealth can be achieved only by taxation of inheritance.

  79. Rurik says:
    @Anon

    shouldn’t this site feature at least a Zionist

    Mercer, Gottfried, Philip Weiss, Shamir

  80. Per says:
    @Colin Wright

    Christian in name perhaps BUT IN NO WAY are they Christians.. Schismatics and satanic posers is what i call them tbh.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  81. windwaves says:
    @Cameron Freeman

    perfectly said. That is the true problem.

  82. @Colin Wright

    ‘…Every Sunday, the fundamentalist Christians pray for the destruction of Israel in preparation for the Second Coming…’

    This is factually incorrect.
    In the last few years, and recognizing how illiterate the 360,000 thousand evangelicals/Christian Right-Zionists are about the Old & New Testament, these aggressive Jews have accomplished the impossible: persuading these childish American evangelicals that thanks to the JEWS, they will bring them Home (in The End Times) to the true and only holy site: Jerusalem.

    While propagandizing their highly anti-Christian tenet, all these Christian Right/Zionist/Charismatic/Evangelical CRAZIES will naturally give political support to the equally crazy likes of Vice-President Mike Pence.

    To put it another way, NONE of this Propaganda is being committed in Europe. That goes to tell you —where there’s money/political power and extremely naive Americans, you’re ALWAYS going to have swindlers to gobble up these Hopeless citizens in America.

  83. @Rurik

    For the record, white nationalists are today’s Palestinians. What they’re demanding is that they don’t have to give up the lands they have, and were born on, and be forced out to make room for unlimited others.

    So true! As I have often commented here: ‘We are all Palestinians now.’

  84. @druid

    druid—Answering Islam considers the ‘morality of lying’ here, with copious scriptural references.

    • Replies: @Druid
  85. Mike P says:

    It seems pretty clear that indeed there is some ongoing conflict between Jewish-left identity nuts and Jewish-right Zionists. However, why exactly is this conflict so vicious right now? Why all this intense hostility of the Jewish left-dominated media to Trump, who is closely aligned with the Jewish right? Something more than the domination of congress and courts of law, or the immigration of some more Mexicans, must be at stake between those two warring Jewish factions. They keep it under the bed sheets, though; neither side is levelling with the public.

  86. Blindlight says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    no, the main reason they support Jews is due to the lying media and our lying politicians who have been bought off

  87. Paul C. says:
    @Wally

    But it’s the fake 6,000,000 & the fake ‘Nazi’ nonsense that silences any dissent or meaningful investigations.

    It’s interesting that the US is still a predominately Christian country yet there are no Christian owned media companies. How’s that for “freedom of speech”? As Desert Fox points out, we’re fully enslaved by their usury. We need an awakening. Everyone needs to get their pitchforks and overturn the slave system.

    • Replies: @Druid
  88. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Per

    Ah, the No True Christian Fallacy. Funny thing is, nobody is a Christian, if Christians are to be believed, as Christians have written out of Christianity every other Christian out there. Catholics say Protestants aren’t true Christians, and vice versa. On and on it goes. So nobody is. LOL How’s that, Mr. Schismatic himself?

  89. pensword says:
    @Anonymouse

    On both sides of the question, their voices are prominent in public discourse reflecting their high IQ.

    A conclusion that doesn’t follow from the premise: prominence in public discourse isn’t directly correlated to I.Q.

    Other than their public prominence, how do they differ from any other group likewise made up of airheads removed from the vicissitudes of real life and those earning their living in real life?

    Well, if you’re that obtuse to suggest that folk who feature most prominently in a book revered by hundreds of millions as the Word of God aren’t really that different from the rest of us, I feel genuinely sorry for you.

  90. @TRASH(NOT)

    ‘It is absolutely sad, for us, for the entire world that it takes an ex-Israeli to show us the dichotomy that is so plainly visible but isn’t noticed.’

    Israeli Jews are perhaps the only group that is permitted to freely criticize Israel.

    Incidentally, I object to the term ‘Israeli’ — or rather, to how the term is employed. Almost invariably, it turns out not to refer to Muslim or Christian inhabitants of Israel, but solely to the Jewish ones.

    One should say what one means. Say ‘Jew,’ or if you wish to distinguish between Jews resident in Israel and Jews who live elsewhere, ‘Israeli Jew.’ ‘Israeli’ should only be used if one actually means a citizen of Israel, regardless of his religion or ethnicity.

    …that last is almost never what is meant by ‘Israeli.’ Atzmon is not a Muslim who used to live in Israel. Nor is he a Christian. This literally goes without saying. When we call him an ‘ex-Israeli,’ we mean he is an ex-Israeli Jew.

    ‘Israelis’ do not applaud as the IDF shoots down unarmed demonstrators. Nor do ‘Israelis’ seize land that isn’t theirs, stone school children, etc. Israeli Jews do. Let’s say so.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  91. @renfro

    Around 1870 the catholic church stated that the pope was infallible.
    Historians know that when statements like this are made something that was evident is not evident any more.
    Wonder if anyone now sees the pope as infallible.
    That holocaust education is introduced, does it mean that it is not self evident any more that there was a holocaust ?

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Tsigantes
  92. pensword says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    ‘r8.2 If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible…and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory.’

    Within the ellipsis you cite, you omit the following

    (N: i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible)

    Ghazali continues

    When, for example, one is concealing a Muslim from an oppressor who asks where he is,it is obligatory to lie about his being hidden. Or when a person deposits an article with one for safekeeping and an oppressor wanting to appropriate it inquires about it, it is obligatory to lie about having concealed it, for if one informs him about the article and he then seizes it, one is financially liable (A: to the owner) to cover the article’s cost.

    You also fail to mention the hadith that precedes Ghazali’s explanation:

    The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, “He who settles disagreements between people to bring about good or says something commendable is not a liar.”

    This much is related by both Bukhari and Muslim, with Muslim’s version recording that Umm Kulthum added, “I did not hear him permit untruth in anything people say, except for three things: war, settling disagreements, and a man talking with his wife or she with him (A: in smoothing over differences).”

    Thus is the context in which your quote should be understood. There is no carte blanche permissibility for lying in Islam, and Reliance itself makes that explicitly clear.

    You’re welcome.

    • Agree: Druid
  93. anarchyst says:
    @Anonymous

    I respectfully disagree with your assertion that Christians are to revere and place jews on a pedestal. There are other biblical passages that regard judaism and their practices as the “synagogue of satan”…
    It is Vatican II that cemented the idea that jews are “our elder brothers”…definitely false doctrine.
    Regards,

  94. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    “Cultures which thrive on dissembling and lying”, as you put it, describes Christianity to a tee. It is certain that at least one “Gospel” version of Jewsus’ nativity is utterly Fake News.

    “It is beyond reasonable dispute that Luke dates the birth of Jesus to 6 A.D. It is equally indisputable that Matthew dates the birth of Jesus to 6 B.C. (or some year before 4 B.C.). This becomes an irreconcilable contradiction after an examination of all the relevant facts…” ~The Date of the Nativity in Luke (6th ed., 2011) by Richard Carrier

    Christianity is a pious fraud, just like the other two Abrahamic religions you listed.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rottenborough
  95. @Agent76

    Thank you for sharing that. Fascinating four-part series.

    • Replies: @Agent76
    , @anon
  96. @pensword

    “There is no carte blanche permissibility for lying in Islam, and Reliance itself makes that explicitly clear”

    How about a little change to that statement;

    ‘There is no carte blanche permissibility for lying outside Islam’

    Stealth and deception are allowed. This is a formula that will lead to strife.

    • Replies: @pensword
  97. Art says:

    A New York Jew can easily metamorphosize from a hard-core Identarian into rabid Zionist settler and vice versa, but such a maneuver is not available to ordinary Americans.

    Thanks Gilad,

    This article is brilliant – these definitions – of Jew patriot and Jew identarian – give us a handle on how to better see and understand the tribal Jew.

    Both the landed Jew patriot and the landless Jew identarian are politically sociopathic. There is something wrong. Clearly, which path they take is dependent on the circumstances of the time. (Facts are irrelevant.)

    The tribal Jew attitude towards everyone else is pathological. To the Jew everything is political, and everything has the gravity of life and death. Jew tribal existence is always on the line.

    Is it nature or nurture that is behind this Jewish abnormality? Are genetics responsible or is culture responsible? The answer is probably both. For sure it is nurture. By the age of five Jews are inculcated with an abnormal fear of humanity that dominates their life – few can escape it.

    Of course there is more to this – Jews are also taught that together, they can successfully manipulate other peoples cultures to their benefit. This eventually boomerangs on them and their worst fears are realized.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Art
    , @RobinG
  98. @pensword

    pensword—‘I did not hear him permit untruth in anything people say, except for three things: war…’

    From Answering Islam: ‘Territory not owned by the Muslims is by definition to be an object of war, until liberation takes place and territory is returned to its rightful owners – the Umma.’

    Islam is at war with the West. Lying is permitted.

  99. pensword says:
    @europeasant

    Stealth and deception are allowed. This is a formula that will lead to strife.

    Not if you examine the context in which Islam allows for it.

    Is it really necessary to explain “the first casualty of war is truth”? This is a description of war’s inescapable reality, not a maxim for cynics.

  100. @Anonymous

    Anonymous[144]—By supporting the Islamization of the West, Christianity is also guilty of betrayal. To give Islam and Judaism their due, it is unthinkable that they would betray their faithful.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  101. That makes the Neo-Nazis who won’t vote at all the main group of people who understand our current reality. The last of the real Americans.

    Religious insight had whilst reading this comments section: The true meaning of The Devil Tarot card is that Baphomet represents the Jewish tribe and the two wretches chained before him represent the host populations that Baphomet rules by divide and conquer.

  102. @Wally

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  103. Agent76 says:
    @L. Allen Bivin

    Thank you for your time and comment.

  104. pensword says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Ironic that you should be so concerned with lying, seeing that “Answering Islam” is rife with falsehoods such as this:

    The theological basis for Daru ‘l-Harb is the doctrine (found in the hadith as well as in the Qur’an) that the earth belongs to Allah and to his Messenger.

    There is no proof to support this statement. None. As such, the claim that

    [t]erritory not owned by the Muslims is by definition to be an object of war, until liberation takes place and territory is returned to its rightful owners – the Umma.’

    is demonstrably false on its face. “Dar al Harb” refers to territory under the auspices of a leadership at war with the muslims, and we are explicitly forbidden from initiating war.

    Islam is at war with the West.

    Islam, like Christianity, is a religion. Religions don’t war with anyone or anything.

    Forgotten in your anti-Islam diatribe is the designation of dar al-sulh (abode of peace) and dar al ‘ahd (abode of treaty). The first includes any non-muslim polity at peace with muslims while the latter includes a polity with which muslims have arranged terms of mutual accord. (They may refer to one and the same polity.)

    America proper would certainly be included in these definitions, since it accords religious liberty to all living within its jurisdiction. As a born and raised American who has studied and practiced Islam in his homeland for nearly three decades, your assertions, as well as those of Jochen Katz, come off as laughable.

    Doubly farcical is the fact that you place so much trust in Jewish scribes responsible for spinning a tale so obviously cobbled from myriad pagan mythologies predating Paulinanity. As if that isn’t the very definition of cognitive dissonance.

  105. Cleburne says:
    @Nonny

    Good luck. I’ve been asking brother Jake to attach definitions to his words and clarity to his thought for some time now, all to no avail. Safe to say he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

  106. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    Bravo! Very insightful article

  107. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    I don’t think Wally digs Delphic.

  108. Rurik says:
    @Anon

    White nationalists are a mixed bunch,

    I wouldn’t necessarily characterize myself as a ‘white nationalist’.

    I’m white, and a nationalist, but as an American, I’m also aware of the legitimacy of the other ethnicities that make up the fabric of American society.

    However, I do feel that white Americans have a right and an obligation to maintain the demographic majorities that prevent white children from being any more persecuted than they already are, (Affirmative Action, endemic demonization by the ((media and academia)), – slated for demographic minority status with all that would mean, etc…). So as a white American, it would behoove the rest of us to ensure we aren’t inundated with non-whites to the point of political disenfranchisement, which will inevitably lead to systematic subjugation and worse.

    The whole idea of legit owners of land is a rationalization: everybody (meaning: every group) took from someone else the land where they are, and did so by combat and might

    Icelanders?

    But this is the thing.. until WWII, it was considered noble and virtuous to go forth and conquer lands. No one lost a minute’s sleep from being too strong or too dominant. That was what all people aspired to be, and rightly so. But times change, and the world grew very small. The people of the planet were alarmed at the horrors a modern war could and would unleash. We now have nuclear weapons that can wipe out all life on planet earth, so that changes the paradigm.

    So we had the Nuremburg trials, and hanged the Nazi leaders as a message to the world that aggressive wars and ‘might equals right’ were no longer acceptable.

    But for the new order to work, it had to be universal, so even as the trials were being waged, the Soviets were stealing people’s countries right and left. Then the Zionists terror-slaughtered the Palestinians and stole their lands, (and houses and business, etc..).. it made a mockery of the new order. It turns out it was all bullshit. And that Nuremburg and the myth of the Nazis as evil, was a ruse, used by men far more evil than the Nazis, in order to plunder and colonize other people’s countries.

    Anyways, with what’s left of the narrative, there’s still an aspiration for some kind of law and order, so that nations and people and businesses can function. So what we get is a kind of hodge-podge of laws for the rest of us, while the Zionists and their myriad lackeys like the ZUS and England, France and other whores are allowed to go around the glob bombing and slaughtering and torturing at will. Which is where we’re all at today. Menaced by the Zionists and their rabid dog bullies in DC, London and Paris.

    Which is also why Europe and N. America, (Western civilization in general) are all committing ethnic suicide. Because WWII wasn’t won to make the world safe for democracy and freedom, not hardly. But rather it was won to impose a Zionist, Jewish supremacist vision on the planet.

    All we’re trying to figure out now, is how fast that vision is going to be imposed, or conversely, if the people of the planet can muster the wherewithal to foil their demonic agenda of universal slavery, and prevent that prophetic ‘boot, stamping on a human face, forever’.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  109. @pensword

    pensword—Mohammed’s pronouncement that all babies worldwide are born as Muslims is wholly conditional on the entire Earth belonging to Allah. See Sahih Muslim Book 33 Number 6426 and Sahih Bukhari, here.

    We have strayed much too far from Mr Atzmon’s post. This is my last reply to you on this thread.

    • Replies: @pensword
    , @Druid
  110. renfro says:
    @Anon

    Do you own a swath of land in the countryside, by chance? I do, and over the years all of the three of my neighbours have applied pressure to broaden their owned land so as to include a bit more than mine.

    I doubt your neighbors have attacked you, burned your land, cut off or poisoned your water and then confiscated your house and land…..as is the case of Israel’s theft of Palestine.

    This is the 21 century, not the 17th or 18th century.

  111. The “right” is being played. What Israel is doing will lead to their destruction. Guaranteed. Sooner or later, nothing good will come out of it.
    We should all learn to get along as best we can, as hard as it may be, it is what it is. Trump and the “alt right” are at least 150 years late.

    There are blacks out there that essentially want the same as the alt right, Farrakhan NOI. Maybe the Alt right should try to find common ground with them. Maybe one day in the future some kind of peaceful separation could occur. Without having to kill each other in mass.

    As it is right now, all of this just makes life and work harder for everyone. I know many people who have quit jobs because of the racial tension that is caused by this type of crap. The media and politicians are 100% responsible for it. By not allowing people like Farrakhan or Spencer to speak without they’re words being manipulated and taken out of context, they create the false narrative of everyone that has a alternative/non-PC view as being horrible racists, anti semites, white supremacists, etc….

    But that is exactly why they do it. Create the divide, stir up hate. Keep your eyes off of the real enemy, the ones robbing you blind, stealing your children’s future. Notice who the media is never critical of though, you never hear about these same things they criticize Spencer or Farrakhan for when they happen daily in Israel. The media is probably the biggest problem, the corruption, blackmail, campaign financing, lobbies are not good either. Nothing will ever change until these things are addressed.

    Trump and his Israeli masters should be pretty ashamed for the caravan stunt. I’m sure he and Sheldon Adelson we’re laughing their asses off the whole time. Sorry but I just don’t see Trump or any Republicans rounding up and deporting all the blacks, Mexicans, Chinese, Arabs or Indians any time soon.

    Cheap labor is what Wall St demands, that is what they’ll get. They don’t give a shit about you. Profit is all that matters in a capitalist society, the “government” is not supposed to work this way. Government IS the people, established by the People’s consent, government should represent us, but the capitalist/monopolist’s have hijacked government, use “government” as a false target or a proxy, they want you to blame “government” instead of blaming the ones controlling the illegitimate government. The rich 1%. In practice, government today, has become merely a puppet manipulated by the corporations and uber rich. This is not normal.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  112. renfro says:
    @jilles dykstra

    That holocaust education is introduced, does it mean that it is not self evident any more that there was a holocaust ?

    The Jews cannot afford for the so called holocaust to recede, it would cut off the money spigot. Already the younger generation knows nothing about it and cares nothing about it ….so they are trying to propagandize all US school children to keep it alive.

  113. If America has a civil war, where will that leave Israel?

  114. @Johnny Rottenborough

    Islam is at war with the West.

    I’d say its the other way around.

    If you’re looking for who is trying to “take over the world” look towards Wall St. They’re 99% of the way there. Can you blame the Muslims or anyone else for fighting back? Usury is forbidden in Islam as well as Christianity, but the Muslims don’t fuck around like Americas false Christians who have allowed America to become debt slaves to the money power parasites your Bible warns you about.

    Privatization/Capitalism Is Theft – privatization is STRICTLY about prioritizing money away from the commons and general welfare and giving it to the inbred 1% rent-seeking parasites (extreme socialism for the billionaires, NOTHING for the people)

    Implemented globally by force, using their “super sovereign” (above the laws of nations) global banking control entities, WTO, WB, IMF, BIS, etc.

    We are already debt slaves to a global 1%, they have already monopolized everything.

    Rockefellers, Rothchilds, etc are the real threat to America and the world. Just ask Jesus.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rottenborough
  115. pensword says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Mohammed’s pronouncement that all babies worldwide are born as Muslims is wholly conditional on the entire Earth belonging to Allah.

    Nonsense.

    The term “Islam” often translates into “submission to God,” the derivative “muslim” meaning “one who submits to God,” and as such, is distinct from most other religions named after a tribe, person or some other element of creation. Thus, every infant, being pure and without sin (including “original sin”) is, by definition, a human being in implicit submission to God and therefore muslim.

    You cited a renowned anti-Islam website which stated

    The theological basis for Daru ‘l-Harb is the doctrine (found in the hadith as well as in the Qur’an) that the earth belongs to Allah and to his Messenger.

    Neither The Qur’an nor ahaddith make any reference to God and His Messenger owning the earth nor will you ever be able to support this claim. (Your attempt to obfuscate by eliding “His Messenger” in your latest response is duly noted.) Furthermore, the concept of dar ul-harb refers exclusively to polities in direct martial conflict with a de facto muslim polity. There is no alternatively figurative understanding of the term nor may anyone ~ muslim or otherwise ~ arrive at such an understanding without the most torturous interpretation of The Qur’an and ahaddith, one which obviously omits significant evidence therefrom.

    As such, every statement you make that follows from this premise ~ in particular, “Islam is at war with the West” ~ is false.

    We have strayed much too far from Mr Atzmon’s post.

    It was you who strayed off-topic by unnecessarily interjecting falsehoods about Islam in this thread. I’m merely correcting your ignorance. If this bothers you, don’t bother telling lies next time.

  116. anonymous[662] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    The idea that the Left was ‘Good’ before the introduction of ID politics is a bit much to swallow.

    The global Left was every bit as Jewish then as it is now, and their goals were essentially the same. What we see today is merely the swap of the Capitalist Boogyman for the White Supremacy Boogieman. It’s not even much of a change in the grand scheme of things. The major difference being that Jews have given up on the white middle and lower-classes completely, since they choose fascism over Bolshevism in Europe.

    The idea that we’ll all unite as humans, and together we’ll beat the Judaic Menace… it sounds great and warms the heart of the naive, but this road ultimately leads to something not much better than what the Jews have in store for us. We will have to have nations and accept race differences. This is reality. It simply can’t be ignored. I’m very pessimistic.

  117. @pensword

    ‘Ironic that you should be so concerned with lying, seeing that “Answering Islam” is rife with falsehoods such as this…

    Why do you bother? Johnny’s one of those sad little bigots who tanks up at his collection of Islamophobic propaganda sites. He’s probably never opened an actual copy of the Quran in his life.

    The vermin make me sick. They’ve found someone they’re allowed to hate, and they promptly go to town.

  118. @redmudhooch

    Government IS the people, established by the People’s consent, government should represent us, but the capitalist/monopolist’s have hijacked government, use “government” as a false target or a proxy, they want you to blame “government” instead of blaming the ones controlling the illegitimate government. The rich 1%. In practice, government today, has become merely a puppet manipulated by the corporations and uber rich. This is not normal.

    Of the people, by the people and for the people would seem to imply a government that governs in the interests of the people, or greater society but sadly, Americans seem to see socialism as the same thing as communism (a device of the 1%) so oligarkhia is the result rather than demokratia and thus you have government on the people, in the people and up the people instead.

  119. @Rurik

    ” But rather it was won to impose a Zionist, Jewish supremacist vision on the planet. ”
    What the Brexit negotiations brought is not very clear right now.
    What is clear is that it is quite difficult to leave the EU, the EU of the Brussels’ lust for power.
    The British voted to leave ‘because they want their country back’, no mass immigration any more, the mass immigration Brussels wants in order to destroy the EU member states also culturally.
    Politically for years they existed no longer.
    So I must conclude, that what people as Soros and the Koch brothers want succeeds, for the time being, maybe forever, at the cost of detroying the European cultures, the cultures that brought progress and prosperity from the steam engine to the fission reactor.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  120. OMG says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Fair enough and thank you for the correction.

    But Atzmon (who never claimed otherwise) was the first to bring it to more prominent attention – in CounterPunch, I believe, before that site went downhill. And it was him who pointed out every aspect of the high priests, cathedrals (museums) etc., etc., so he still deserves some credit.

  121. Them Guys says:
    @Anonymous

    You ignore that a difference was created 500 yrs ago when Protestants began. And that prior to Vatican II(Jew) around 1965, It was the Catholic Church, and the Vatican which were about the Only entity or institution ever to exist in the past 2,000 yrs, which successfully kept Jewry and Talmudic Pharisee Judaism in Check. No other nations, govnts, nor entities has ever been as successful at halting Jewish Banksterism and usury/interest destruction of nations and peoples.

    Christ was the first recorded ass kicker of Jew banksters and usury systems when He got pissed and Booted the Money Changers Out of the Temple…Which again at a later date, was done Via Popes and the Church. Various countries Kings also played a role, once the church and popes advised them to comply with actions and laws or kingly decrees, that not only banned usury and Jew banksters. But also banned Jews from many political positions, as well as, ability to sit on the stand and testify in any gentile courts. Due to Talmudic teachings and belief in it, Jews were well known as practitioners of Lying, Swindling, Scams galore..And of course that they are Talmud taught how its okay, no sin, no crime, whenever a Jew does those things and even commits murder as long as its done to a Goyim aka Gentiles.

    No others have ever been so successful, nor for such extended periods of time, at halting those gentile and gentile nation wrecking practices which Jewry thrives and prospers on.

    As far as I know of, No era of Protestantism has ever done the same. Much and often done exact opposite, which today has morphed into a type of worship of Jews and Israel state.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
    , @Anonymous
  122. anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    r8.2 If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible…and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory.’

    Within the ellipsis you cite, you omit the following

    (N: i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible)

    Lol! Busted!

    And, the best you can do is feebly quote from the deceitful “Answering Islam.” Lol!

    Islam is at war with the West. Lying is permitted.

    We are indeed at war with the enemies of True Monotheism. We know which side you are on, and we know what is your ultimate fate.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rottenborough
  123. Them Guys says:
    @Sparkon

    There is a difference to America founded as a Christian nation Per Se….And a nation founded mainly, but not entirely, upon the New testament Christian Principals. And you can find tons of references to such within various writings by most of the main famous founding fathers of America.

    Yet I have never yet seen even one single reference made to any type of a, “Jewdeo-Christian” foundation of America by those same founders. Most if not All of this phenomenon of the term Jewdeo-Christian, and any sort of a national founding based upon such an Oxymoronic claim, has originated from the apostate version of KJV bible by Cyrus Scofield. Who was prior to author of said apostate bible version, a badly failed, Husband, Father, Prof. Gambler, Drunk, Felon, Lawyer, and Politition.

    And IIRC, there have been several US Supreme Ct rulings that have answered the question of, Was/Is America founded as a Christian Nation, in the affirmative/Yes answer or decision.

    It never was officialy designated by the founders as such due to a huge reason they left europe and came here etc…Was due to euro nations forcing people as to what religion they could be and pracrice. Espeically in England at that time.

    But the founding docs, and laws and moral stance of America has much in common with and in many ways almost like direct from teachings of Christ & the NT books. It should be obvious to see.

  124. anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    As a simplistic-minded Anglo-Saxon I do not condone lying

    Your entire spiritual existence is predicated on a lie, enemy of True Monotheism.

  125. Them Guys says:
    @wayfarer

    Indeed, and which is why Christ called them the children of Satan, the Synagogue of Satan, and told their Pharisee Rabbis that when they chase down someone to the ends of the earth so to make a convert of them, they end up turning that convert into Twice the Child of Hell, as they the Rabbis themselves are. That is all found in verses within the books of New Testament.

    Jon 8:44….Rev. 2:9, 3:9– and the last one twice a child of hell, I forgot which verse.

    Unlike a small Few like Gilad, and Ron Unz, Bro Kapner, and a few more who speak out and seem to have shaken off the Talmudic Judaic Chains, those who remain within Judaism and Talmud represent a huge and deadly problem. Not only a huge problem for their current Host Nation, America…But also for literally Every Non Jew and Nation worldwide.

    The very notion, culture, religion, ethnic ways, based on Talmudic Judaism are a direct opposite of almost all other non Jewish peoples. And in ways that most affect and cause massive troubles and problems. Ways and practices such as being okay to Lie, Cheat, Rob, Scam, Kill, Pervert, any and all Non Jews as often and as much as they choose to do so. Are repulsive to most peoples of the world. Most peoples cultures and ways and schools etc. teach exact opposite. Such as to remain Honest, Considerate to others, Compassionate, concerned for well being, to never steal and kill, and to have Respect for others regardless their religion and ethnic make ups.

    This is why The International Jew is and has been, the worlds Foremost Problem. And it has gotten much worse within the past aprox. 200 or so years, especially for the past 75 or so years. And if allowed to proceed much longer and much farther along this path of nation wrecking, it wont this time just be a single host nation wrecked. Rather this time it is going to be the entire world that is wrecked and ruined beyond all repair. So much for the Jewish notion and main agenda of Tikun Olem,(sp?) aka the Jewish Repair of the World!

    And right there is also a good example of a vast huge difference in thought and practice between Jews and Gentiles. Gentiles method of a repair is to usually Wait for something to break or fail, and Then repair it….Not so with Talmudic Jewish repair of the world, their main method is to…Royally fuck it up, everything they can possible get their grubby hands on, and then claim nobody else but Jews are capable of repairing it. See almost two decades worth of such a method in Mid East regions endless Wars for Israel as prime exhibit A example.

  126. Them Guys says:
    @fnn

    Probably The Most famous of Neo Nazi events or parade marchers like you described and in the same 1970′s era was, one Frank Collins with his merry band of about 5 Nazi followers. They became so famous due to they got the ACLU Jewish lawyers to win their right to march thru streets of, Skokie Ill. In full Brown Nazi uniforms, complete with Swastika Arm bands and Flag. Skokie Ill was then and likely still is today, the city with Americas largest number of so called WWII Camp Survivors of Nazi gas chambers etc.

    It was the biggest and hottest issue in daily msm tv news for weeks on end, and returned to tv again and again as the US Supreme court case proceeded. When Collins and his Nazi members finally got to do their parade march, most of the towns retiree aged Jews came out to counter it and started a massive huge physical fight with the Nazis.

    Then when it seemed to die down in tv news and event was over…New revelations surfaced. The FBI Raided Frank Collins Nazi HQ building, found Collins on his knees giving some 10 yr old little boy a BJ! Right there in middle of room. Once all the final details came out under oath in court testimony, more yet was revealed.

    It turned out that Frank Collins himself was a…Jew! so were all his 5 Nazi members Jews! And all his Funding, the initial idea for a parade march, the targeted city of survivor Jews and even his Nazi uniforms and arm bands…Was all done by and funded by the Jewish ADL!!

    After these revelations of a huge Jewish scam and ADL involvment, various people began to look much deeper into many other similar incidences of Nazi marches and Neo Nazi start up groups and orgs….Which has led to finding out that, Most if not Every Neo Nazi group and marches etc have been instigated by and funded by ADL. Sort of like a side buisness for the ADL org you could say.

    So Beware! Big Time when next you hear or see of any type “Nazis” doing anything at all within America or even in EU nations at this point. A very good bet is to bet ADL and/or some other of too many to count Jewsh Orgs are behind it all. Remember, like their Israel Mossad slogan/creado “Thru Deception You Shall Cause Wars”..In most folks play book, Deception=Lying.

    • Replies: @tac
  127. anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    To want to persevere as an American in an American culture, with hostility to none, and trade with and good relations with all and any who respond in good faith?

    American Culture? The real American culture has been greed, genocide and psychopathy.

    Hostility to none? Good relations with all? Good faith? Rofl!

    All Deceit!!

    • Troll: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @Rurik
  128. @Sparkon

    The US Constitution is a secular document, and thank God for that. All men, and women, are bound by it. If it was religious, sharia could come along and make the same claims of protecting inalieanable rights.

    Taken together, the Declaration of Independence, which, if I’m not mistaken, is the actual founding document, along with the US Constitution, are quite remarkable. The King claimed divine right to rule, the Declaration of Independence counters this claim, and says that all men are created equal. The US Constitution then protects that freedom from government interference.

    There’s no need to debate ad nauseum regarding whether the Founding Fathers were christian, they debated that enough, even with themselves. As a whole, including the settlements that were established, it would be difficult to find an exception that there were any but Christians who settled and founded this country.

    The argument put forth by humanists that the founding fathers weren’t christian is a thin lie to make the world in their image, and it is the same origin as the lie that modern day Jews have a hereditary claim to Canaan. The great irony of it all, is that while Islam is the spear point being thrust into the heart of Europe and Western Civilization, it is the Ashkenazim Jew who is wielding the spear, funding both the Islam invasion of Europe, and the migrant caravans of Central and South America.

    While the methods of Satan, the devil, change over time, his motive does not, to destroy all that God Almighty, maker of heaven and earth and all that is in them, God and Father of the Lord, Jesus Christ, created. And he will as surely destroy those who follow him, as he would destroy all of mankind, were he able.

    In the end, we will all be held accountable for what we believe. The US Constitution guarantees every citizen the right of speech and religion. God gave man free will, it is up to us what to do with it.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  129. @redmudhooch

    redmudhooch—your Bible

    I long ago parted company with Christianity, although I would still maintain that, of the three so-called Abrahamic faiths, Christianity is the least worst in terms of doctrine. I quite agree that Jewry is the greater threat to the West; Islam is simply one of Jewry’s weapons of mass Western destruction.

  130. Cleburne says:
    @Them Guys

    The Orthodox did, and still do, a decent job.

    No matter what Jake might say, the Protestant worship of Israel and Judaism is of a fairly recent vintage — 19tj century, with Scofield’s footnotes. He more or less invented Christian Zionism out of whole cloth. And got away with it, as Protestantism does not, like Orthodoxy, have a Tradition that keeps wild speculation in check.

    I have to wonder about the allegiance of Protestant whites to Israel, no matter how much noise the leaders make. A bit more suspicion than one would expect.

  131. @anonymous

    anonymous[161]—The omitted phrase (‘when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible’) does not alter the meaning of the paragraph. Perhaps an example would help. In war, it is permissible for Muslims to lie to non-Muslims to circumvent their efforts to prevent Muslims doing something permissible, that’s to say, achieving victory.

  132. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Them Guys

    You ignore that Jesus was a Rabbi who openly despised Gentile (white) patriarchy. (Matthew 20:25, Mark 10:42, Luke 22:25) That you continue to worship such a Jew is sad.

    • Troll: Them Guys
  133. @Timur The Lame

    Keep in mind that Jews themselves invented and inscribed the self-serving fiction that they thousands of years later trot-out to the world as “proof” of having a Devine right to the land of Palestine.

  134. Rurik says:
    @anonymous

    American Culture? The real American culture has been greed, genocide and psychopathy.

    Hostility to none? Good relations with all? Good faith? Rofl!

    All Deceit!!

    reminds me of a wise man’s sage counsel:

    Stop demanding that we hand over our country to people who don’t appreciate it. (Indeed, often hate it) …

    It is insane to want to have people come to your nation who will be a burden, who often hate you and yours, not to mention your culture, and want to displace you

    For the purposes of this post, I’ll recognize that there are two Americas.

    One is the America of the people; Amerindian, White, African and everyone in between.

    The other is the psychopathic Satanists at the ((banking houses)), and their lackeys and stooges in the government and media and other institutions.

    When Woodrow Wilson handed the keys of the US Treasury to the world’s most evil and greedy men, he doomed America and the world to endless wars for Israel, starting with America’s involvement in WWI. Those banksters ever since, have been the bane not only of the American people, but of the world. Perhaps most egregiously in Palestine.

    That said, to call American culture nothing but “greed, genocide and psychopathy”, is hyperbolic idiocy. Greed, genocide and psychopathy are the calling cards of the one percent, not the 99% who languish under the one percent’s ubiquitous rapine and perfidy.

    Benjamin Franklin was a great American, not a psychopath. Thomas Paine was also a great man who would not be the slave of London bankster. Sitting Bull and Geronimo were also great men and great warriors and part and parcel of the unique American experience.

    From the Spanish and French and Germans, like Daniel Boone, to the Anglos and great tribes of the Amerindians, they have all contributed to making America what it was and is today.

    To pretend as if their lives and contributions mean nothing, because of the evils our government is responsible for, is a myopic absurdity. Mark Twain and the Wright Brothers and Jonas Salk were not psychopaths. Charles Lindberg and Lysander Spooner and Carl Sagan were not psychopaths.

    Henry Ford was a great man and great human. This goes for many of America’s historic movers and shakers, and that includes men and women of all races and ethnicities.

    Painting the entire uniquely American experience with the broad brush of what its sinister elites are guilty of, is not only wrong and dishonest, but counter-productive as well.

    If we’re ever going to wrest control of America’s institutions from the forces of evil (the Fiend) who’ve high-jacked them for the purposes of death, theft and global domination, we need the efforts of all people of good will, both American and otherwise.

    I’ll leave you with this, a link from the excellent website WRH: (run by an American, as indeed, is this site we’re on, perhaps only possible because of the uniquely inspired greatness of America’s founding fathers, who codified free speech into their legacy, and the Second Amendment which protects all the rest ; )

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/11/tgp-exclusive-senator-rand-paul-to-force-vote-against-the-war-in-yemen/

    • Agree: renfro, tac
    • Replies: @Druid
    , @Miro23
  135. terry says:

    They go on about muslims and islam being a threat, it is these fruitloops who are the real threat to all mankind and humanity, withtheir schizo delusional prophecies.

    THEY ARE ALL STARK RAVING LUNATICS, THE DAMNED LOT OF THEM!

    A CURSE ON THEM ALL, AND THE SOONER GOD SMITES THEM ALL THE BETTER!

  136. Rurik says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    By supporting the Islamization of the West, Christianity is also guilty of betrayal. To give Islam and Judaism their due, it is unthinkable that they would betray their faithful.

    Very true.

    Modern Christianity has become the religion of soy, cuck, and spreading the other cheek.

    I don’t know of one mainstream Christian leader who will damn Zionism for its obvious evil, or will openly damn the Catholic hierarchy for its demonic complicity with endemic child rape, or demand that Christian nations are also entitled to borders and protecting their ancient cultures. Perhaps such Christian leaders are out there, but I don’t know of them.

    Rather, all they seem to care about is abortion, but then once the baby is born, often to an indigent urban teenager unable to feed even herself, they’re happy to walk away. Their holy work done, the baby has been born. To what fate, they could care less. Let the tax payers worry about all that.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  137. Rurik says:
    @jilles dykstra

    So I must conclude, that what people as Soros and the Koch brothers want succeeds, for the time being, maybe forever, at the cost of detroying the European cultures, the cultures that brought progress and prosperity from the steam engine to the fission reactor.

    perhaps Western civilization’s greatest gift to mankind was human freedom, starting with the idea of democracy in Greece, then on to the Magna Carta, and culminating in the Bill of Rights.

    But modern Westerners are a dim and decadent shadow of the hardy stock that navigated the oceans to foreboding lands and conquered continents. The heroics of Erik the Red, or Homer’s Odysseus would ‘trigger’ university students to cry for a ‘safe space’ to call their mommies.

    Contrast the images of an heroic French leader of old, Charles ‘The Hammer’ Martel

    with the modern day French soy boy

    and you see how far the West has degenerated.

    I suspect that if Martel were to be resurrected from his grave, that the first place he’d use his hammer would be on Macron’s skull.

  138. bjondo says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Antisemitism everywhere, read his two autobiograpies.

    This would be the 1st Law of Shekel

    5ds

  139. Florin says:
    @llloyd

    I live not far from Plymouth Rock.

    This isn’t Israel – it’s simply controlled by Jews.

  140. Rurik says:
    @Rurik

    Modern Christianity has become the religion of soy, cuck, and spreading the other cheek.

    I thought of my recent words when I read of this

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article221698660.html

    why does it have to be a black minister to show the soy white Christians what it means to have integrity?

    I wonder how many white Christian leaders are going to stand up for this man?

    If they don’t, then Christianity is a dead and rotted carcass, and an abomination to God.

    And how is this on topic?

    Well, because it has been Marxist, Frankfort school-type, Jewish supremacists that have imposed all these depravities upon our culture.

  141. What is being described here, are the two arms of the Jewish community.

    The right arm tells the Jews that they are unique, the choosen people and they must not mix with the goyim. The right arm is nationalist, and is fighting to maintain together the choosen community.

    The left arm is fighting the goyim trying to divide them stressing all theirs issues, destroying all theirs structures and roots. The left arm want to see the goyim killing themselve, he is triggering civil wars betweens the goyim and is inducing them to all perverse behavior.

    The stupid Jews on the left side are those who do not understand that what they are selling is for the goyim and not for the Jews.

    • Replies: @renfro
  142. tac says:
    @Them Guys

    Interested that you mentioned that story of Frank Collin (Francis Joseph Cohen) conceived in Dachau camp:

    Some interesting coincidences in the follow-up to this Frank Collin incident:

    The year was 1977, and most people never heard of the Holocaust. All we knew was that we fought a war against evil Nazis, but the Holocaust never made it to the Silver Screen till the late 1970′s.

    The early blockbusters, such as ‘Judgment at Nuremberg’, forgot to mention the gas chambers.
    [...]
    After Collin/Cohen incident, Hollywood awoke to it’s responsibilities. The era of cable TV , History Channel, and Holocaust movie arrives.

    In 1987 he publishes his first book, the destruction of Atlantis.
    Amazingly the Jewish controlled book publishing industry finds out that Frank Joseph, was Frank Collins, but they forgive him and he becomes a successful writer.

    http://thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-IntimateRelationToNazis/AmazingStoryOfTheCommanderOfTheSkokieNazis.htm

    Where these Real Nazis, Or More Zionist Hoaxes here and here?

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  143. Druid says:

    And a magazine-massive military budget:(

  144. Druid says:
    @Rurik

    May surprise you to know that many American Moslems also oppose unrestricted immigration of any kind!

  145. Druid says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Still nonsense! The source is Koran and prophet Mohammed and it is clear. Your hatred and bias towards that religion is obvious!

  146. Druid says:
    @Paul C.

    And no holocaust museums for American dead, who died fighting for Israel’s machinations

  147. Druid says:
    @pensword

    Johnny Rotten is certainly so, as is Answering Islam. There have been organizations since the crusades peddling this swill, and false translations of the Koran written as well to peddle Rotten’s swill!

  148. Druid says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Another lie. It merely points out islam’s view that babies are born pure and without sin!

  149. Anon[795] • Disclaimer says:

    What does “post politicsl” mean?

    Why the need to use pseudo intellectual jargon?

  150. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @L. Allen Bivin

    Agree.

    In a related vein, worthwhile to read Anatoly Karlin’s review of
    Joseph Tainter – the Collapse of Complex Societies

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/tainter-collapse-of-complex-societies/

    These complex societies were created by and in the Century of the Self.
    It seems inevitable that they would collapse since they were built on manipulation and propaganda.

  151. Art says:
    @Art

    Both the landed Jew patriot and the landless Jew identarian are politically sociopathic. There is something wrong. Clearly, which path they take is dependent on the circumstances of the time. (Facts are irrelevant.)

    The tribal Jew attitude towards everyone else is pathological. To the Jew everything is political, and everything has the gravity of life and death. Jew tribal existence is always on the line.

    Here are the sociopathic pathological Israeli Jews in action.

    The Jew majority want more killing of Palestinians.

    Majority of Israelis dissatisfied with Netanyahu over Gaza crisis

    An opinion poll in Israel has revealed the country’s overwhelming dissatisfaction with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s performance in the latest Gaza crisis and confrontation with the Palestinians.

    The poll was conducted on 500 citizens, chosen for being representative of Israeli society. The result was a staggering seventy-four per cent of Israelis dissatisfied with Netanyahu over Gaza; it calls into question the credibility of the ruling Likud party in its handling of the situation.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181115-majority-of-israelis-dissatisfied-with-netanyahu-over-gaza-crisis/

    Think Peace — Art

  152. Skeptikal says:

    Excellent.
    Atzmon’s observation regarding the split in Jewishness as reflected in American politics is very astute, IMO.
    And, yes, it is the protean nature of Judaism, or Jewishness, its continual shape shifting between religion, ethnicity, philosophy, nationality, and more, that gives it its power and its ability to maneuver in any potentially hostile environment by donning whatever camo is called for. Jews in public life are very adept at tailoring their “beliefs” to fit whatever a situation demands—to give the audience what it wants.
    The obvious question is the underlying goals that are advanced by these many disguises.
    Atzmon doesn’t go there, as far as I can see.
    I wish he would.
    I would guess that the point of Jewish ideological limberness is always to further “what is good for the Jews,” be it as a powerful diaspora or as masters in their Jewish State with its underlying goal of making Eretz Yisrael a reality and dominating all other nearby states and all farther states that can provide resources and support to EY, via both direct control of the society’s institutions and donations from dispora communities.

  153. Art says:
    @Art

    Both the landed Jew patriot and the landless Jew identarian are politically sociopathic. There is something wrong. Clearly, which path they take is dependent on the circumstances of the time. (Facts are irrelevant.)

    The tribal Jew attitude towards everyone else is pathological. To the Jew everything is political, and everything has the gravity of life and death. Jew tribal existence is always on the line.

    Here are the sociopathic pathological Israeli Jews in action.

    The Jew majority want more killing of Palestinians.

    Majority of Israelis dissatisfied with Netanyahu over Gaza crisis

    An opinion poll in Israel has revealed the country’s overwhelming dissatisfaction with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s performance in the latest Gaza crisis and confrontation with the Palestinians.

    The poll was conducted on 500 citizens, chosen for being representative of Israeli society. The result was a staggering seventy-four per cent of Israelis dissatisfied with Netanyahu over Gaza; it calls into question the credibility of the ruling Likud party in its handling of the situation.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181115-majority-of-israelis-dissatisfied-with-netanyahu-over-gaza-crisis/

    Think Peace — Art

  154. Skeptikal says:
    @Colin Wright

    ” Say ‘Jew,’ or if you wish to distinguish between Jews resident in Israel and Jews who live elsewhere, ‘Israeli Jew.’ ‘Israeli’ should only be used if one actually means a citizen of Israel, regardless of his religion or ethnicity.”

    Agree.
    Israel is a nation. Despite the assertion that it is a “Jewish State,” others live there and have Israeli nationality. But I would transpose the terms, thus: Jewish Israeli, Muslim Israeli, Christian Israeli.
    The nationality is more important—at least, it should be more important— hence it should be a noun and the qualifying adjective should precede it. Cf. Italian American, not American Italian.

    By the same token we should refer to Jewish Americans, not American Jews.
    The difference between Israel and the USA, however, is that in the USA there is no question that, say, Catholics are Americans, so the language issue doesn’t even arise, or pose a problem of meaning. Not so in Israel, where it must be clarified that Israeli is the political designation and Jewish, a religious one.

  155. Them Guys says:
    @tac

    Tac: Thanks for your reply, and good info. Indeed once I first awoke and became Jewised Up, about 15+ yrs ago. This neo Nazi frauds issue is one of the first things I looked into deeply. I just sort of stumbled upon it at some website. Once I delved deeper I was amazed at how much and often ADL and various other Jewish Orgs and persons were secretly involved. I am not certain, but wont be shocked if every such neo Nazi event or uprising Nazi group are a product like Frank Collins was…

    ALSO Of Note: Today I just saw a JewYork Times website article on that, a Fed Judge just ruled in Favor of some Jewess real estate women in Montana, who filed a civil suit against Mr. Anglin and Strom trooper website. It sounded goofy, as her compliant revolves around her being email and online harassed and threatened etc. Based upon her initial dealings with Anglins Mother in some sale of a Montana Property Mother owns. I have zero other knowledge of this suit issue. However the fed judge rejected to dismiss it, said Nazi type stuff is Not covered under 1st amend. And Jewess can continue lawsuit.

    This may bode very bad for future free speech or open a flood of similar suits. However like Anglin’s lawyer stated to newspaper, if this goes forth as against 1st amend, then its going to also equally apply to the Other side as well…Maybe that part is a good thing?…But to me any stifled free speech is a direct war on 1st amend Rights. Regardless if neo Nazis or SJW’s at fault.

    • Replies: @tac
  156. 36 ulster says:
    @DESERT FOX

    Just finished Mein Kampf (I read German rather slowly), just started The Awful Disclosures of Maria Monk. One down, two to go.

  157. Miro23 says:
    @Rurik

    For the purposes of this post, I’ll recognize that there are two Americas.

    One is the America of the people; Amerindian, White, African and everyone in between.
    The other is the psychopathic Satanists at the ((banking houses)), and their lackeys and stooges in the government and media and other institutions.

    The facts are, that it is “second America” (Zionized financialized America) that is engaged in the special interest looting, the wars for Israel, seeking conflict with Russia and Iran and the US slide into totalitarianism. They are also the ones building up the gestapo style NSA & militarized Homeland Security ( with its order for 1,6 Billion rounds of ammunition) and the planners and executors of 9/11.

    As you say, it’s not the 99,9% of “first America” that are the problem.

  158. tac says:
    @Them Guys

    Some more interesting tidbits from this story (and those who think that these are some ‘conspiracy theories’ do have a look at some of these MSM publications of the incident):

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-neo-nazi-skokie-march-flashback-perspec-0312-20170310-story.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/skokie-legacy-nazi-march-town-holocaust-survivors/story?id=56026742

    Here is one to really pay attention to:

    It took a neo-Nazi named Frank Collin to bring the point home, when he ignited a worldwide media sensation by threatening to lead his small band of followers on a march in Skokie in the late 1970s. The anguish he caused the survivors quickly became apparent through news stories documenting their outrage on TV and radio and on the front pages of newspapers everywhere. But the gravity of what they endured has come into sharper focus with a new documentary, “Skokie: Invaded But Not Conquered,” which will have its world premiere Thursday evening at the Illinois Holocaust Museum & Education Center in Skokie and will be broadcast at 8 p.m. Jan. 24 on WTTW-Ch. 11. (Full disclosure: I’m interviewed in the film.)

    In a way, I now realize, you could divide life in Skokie into two crisply defined periods: before Collin and after.
    [...]
    In our house, my father never made it through a night’s sleep without waking up several times, in his dreams killing Nazis, he said. My mother rarely slept in bed, instead sitting in the dark on our living room floor, peering out the window, as if keeping a vigil for dangers ahead. My sister and I were not allowed to take showers — only baths — and it took me years to understand my parents’ fear of them.

    But though survivors like my parents yelled among each other about the miseries they had suffered and the relatives they had lost during the Holocaust, they kept a decidedly low profile outside their circle. American Jews in Skokie have told me through the years that they had no idea so many survivors lived in their midst.

    That changed spectacularly after Collin emerged in the late ’70s. All at once, the survivors who had kept their pasts so veiled and worked so hard to try to assimilate into American life stepped into the spotlight. They told anyone who would listen that they would not allow Collin and his brown-shirted, swastika-wearing ilk in the place where they had found refuge after the war. They would go to court to stop him. And if that failed, they would meet him in the streets.
    [...]
    Collin had made a point of using the same language as Hitler, speaking on TV interviews about “the final solution to the Jewish question” (though Collin himself was the son of a Jewish Holocaust survivor).
    [...]
    After Collin, they opened the Illinois Holocaust Museum & Education Center in a storefront on Main Street, a few blocks from my family’s house, in 1984; built a Holocaust monument in downtown Skokie in 1987; persuaded the Legislature to make Illinois the first state in the country to require Holocaust education, in 1990; and launched the museum’s state-of the-art new headquarters at 9603 Woods Drive in Skokie on April 19, 2009.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-perspec-skokie-movie-20130116-column.html

    Now take all this (along with all of the other ‘coincidences’ learned) into account in the present time …. hmmm …

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/07/the-deguello-report-revisited/

    https://www.opdeepstate.com/2017/09/10/when-did-the-6-million-holocaust-emerge/

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  159. Australia’s treasurer attacks Malaysian PM Mahathir for ‘antisemitic’ comments.

    Our hapless new (temporary) PM has dug yet another hole for his party (and the nation) by saying our embassy will be moved to Jerusalem (he did it to boost votes in a recent election which he lost anyway).

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/16/josh-frydenberg-malaysia-mahathir-mohamad-antisemitic-comments

    • Replies: @geokat62
  160. geokat62 says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Australia’s treasurer attacks Malaysian PM Mahathir for ‘antisemitic’ comments: Josh Frydenberg escalates row over possible move of Australia’s Israel embassy to Jerusalem, saying Mahathir has ‘form’ for derogatory comments about Jews

    Speaking of “form,” here’s a backgrounder on Australia’s Treasurer:

    [Josh] Frydenberg was born in Melbourne and educated at Bialik and Mount Scopus Colleges. His mother, Erika Strausz, is a psychologist and University of Melbourne professor and his father Harry is a general surgeon. His mother was a Hungarian Jew born in 1943 who arrived in Australia in 1950 as a stateless child from a refugee camp after escaping from The Holocaust. His father is also Jewish, and emigrated to Australia from Poland.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Frydenberg

    • Replies: @unseated
  161. Them Guys says:
    @tac

    Yep it was a huge ADL paid for and invented psy opps plan. Just look at all they did after Frankie the fake neo Nazi leader Jewboy, came to town. HoloHoax this and HoloHoax that…And usa taxpayers footing a lot of it all. Even Hollywood re did more “Updated” movie versions of the big HoloHoax event….Finally Hollywood remembered to include Gas chambers! Oy Vey!

    Before WWII they had about 14 million Jews worldwide pop, then 6 million killed, with now today the original per international Red Cross accurate records of about 42,000 Total alive Jew survivors, now Morphed into a whopping, 4+ Million hoax survivahs collecting tax free monthly payments from Germany. So…6 million Plus 4 million and 4 more million never there. Yet Jews own almanac POP numbers claim, almost same number of global pop after war as before war. With just an aprox 200,000 less after WWII ended. Which does jive with international red cross numbers. One must comprehend a Jewish mind, for example, say some Jew guy was born and lived in Jew York all his life. Lived there during WWII and was still Alive at wars ending…Ok that Now qualifies him to swear on a stack of Talmuds, that indeed yes he is a Gas Chamber Survivah. Because you see, he went thru entire WWII era start to finish, and remained alive. Ergo he survived Hitlers wrath. He can also have lived in Detroit or Chicago it matters not…He was alive at wars start and at end so is a survivor and qualifies for Cash each Month from Germans, all who disagree are Nazi lover anti-Semites, and of course a vile Jew hate Monger. See how a Jews mind functions. A Global worldwide Disfunctional Family of 15 Million members! Demented minds. That believe their own lies.

    Bottom line is…Jews have invented so many, many ,many lies about Hoax events, they cannot keep it straight any longer…And to top it off, most all of international Jewry, except for a small few, actually believe every fuckin lie claim!…And get pissed big time when any of us Goyim refuse to believe in their too many lies to count. Now someone here the other day posted the official us congress bill, which is sure to pass by margin of 99% yes votes with one abstaining from voteing. And entire 100 senate yes votes, and Trump will sign it too…The new Bill to pass a fed law that requires every school in America to teach holohoax class, train teachers to do so, covering all costs for Teachers hotels etc while away at training camp aka Yesheva for goys. With YOU the Taxpayer fully paying it all!!

    Jews are worried that soon every so called survivah will, like all others from WWII era, be dead and gone…Then what?…Oh oh..No problem, just forcce school kiddies to be spoon fed every scam lie claim, and once they too become taxpayers wont hesitate to pay off Grandkids of dead hoaxers!

    By then total number will rise from current 4 million paid off survivahs, to perhaps all 15 million get paid….Even a grandkid born.raised and spent entire life in JewYork, gets a monthly check as a survivah of Evil Nazi Hitler, Da Fhurer man….HoloHoax, the Biggest Scam Swindle of entire 20th Century, soon to become biggest scam in 21st cetury also!…The Shoah MUST GO ON! Longer than the energizer Bunny can…..let us hope Karma fixes the problem. Sooner or later Truth overcomes all Lies…Truth is truth itself on its own..Their Lies always need more back up lies added, That cannot last.

    • Replies: @tac
  162. Johan says:

    “think tribal but speak universal”

    I know…
    Well, said, and crucial in the whole game, this consist of a hijack of the Western enlightenment ideals (strong Western zeitgeist ideals). It is a very clever strategy, which most cannot discern from the real, and on first sight, one can hardly disagree. By now all corporations and organizations who talk in terms of these ideals, and ideals developed since, are power mongers. The Jews in question have hijacked and corrupted the Western enlightenment ideals for selfish goals, and corrupt Goy establishments are cooperating (without cooperation of the latter the situation wouldn’t be possible).
    The language used by officials is worth nothing anymore, and should be considered a mere facade of corrupt priests in the game of divide and rule until all current establishments are removed.

  163. renfro says:
    @Jean de Peyrelongue

    The right arm tells the Jews that they are unique, the choosen people and they must not mix with the goyim.

    But it’s interesting isn’t it that so many gentile politicians, gov appointees and their family members are married to Jews….the Clintons, the Trumps, Joe Biden, Hoyer, Slaughter, a host of others.

  164. anastasia says:

    I am against illegal immigration. Does that make me a right wing racist? Does that make me like the Jews? I am neither. The Wall is a response not to a few people trying to sneak into this country, but because of the magnitude of the crimes being committed by people trying to come here unlawfully.

    America always had borders, and laws of immigration. In the past we allowed many legal immigrants into this country, as they do now. Today we allow up to 1 million legal immigrants into this country every year.

    This country always barred illegal immigration for the simple reason that it was against the law. We always vetted the people coming in. We always barred people with criminal backgrounds into this country. We barred people who had no means of support or a sponsor willing to be legally responsible for their support. We also had quotas . These were always the laws of our country.

    There is nothing new under the sun that a country has borders, as well as laws of immigration.
    Every country has laws of immigration. As a matter of fact, this country used to be concerned about disease coming in, and if anyone were sick. Notice that nothing is said about that anymore and it doesn’t sound like anyone is checking to see that these immigrants have no disease that they are bringing in.. We also had laws that an immigrant must have some kind of sponsor who would be legally responsible for his support, if the immigrant did not have a means of support. We would not allow the immigrant to come in and be supported by the government. That privilege was not open to new immigrants.

    We did not get the idea of having borders or immigration laws or the wall from the Jews. The wall is a natural and reasonable response to the mammoth crimes being committed by those trying to come in unlawfully. Is anyone suggesting that the US should not respond to these crimes, crimes of such magnitude.? We are not talking about a handful of people every year trying to sneak in, or even a thousand or two people trying to sneak in. We are talking about numbers far greater than that. You do not need a wall for a handful of people trying to sneak in, or even a few thousand, but when you have the magnitude of the crimes being committed by illegal immigrants that we have at the present time, there has to be some kind of response and the wall would discourage not all, but some of it. Some may equate to be 200,000 people who would other try to sneak in.

    It’s a whole different ballgame in Israel. They are trying to keep out people who have had possession of that land for thousands of years. It would be like throwing out US citizens, and then building a wall so they cannot get back in.

    The Jews do not allow anyone into their country who is not Jewish. No citizenry is given to anyone who is not a Jew. That does not resemble this country, nor does it resemble any of the actors in this phony hoaxy fight between the left and right.

    • Agree: tac, Rurik
  165. tac says:
    @Them Guys

    And you know the strangest ‘coincidence’ of all in this whole hoax of a story is this:

    Francis Joseph “Frank” Collin (born November 3, 1944) was conceived in Dachau camp in 1943 according to his father Max Simon Cohn (a self-described prisoner in Dachau camp), yet not until April 29, 1945, the U.S. Seventh Army’s 45th Infantry Division liberates Dachau.

    Now, his mother Virginia Gertrude née Hardyman (born in Chicago on August 18, 1920) could not have possibly been in Dachau to be impregnated in 1943 since she was an American born in Chicago. So this HOAX falls apart on its face altogether: THE IS NO WAY ‘FRANCIS’ WAS CONCEIVED IN DACHAU!

    Collin was born and grew up in Chicago, Illinois, where he went to local schools. His father, Max Frank Collin, born Max Simon Cohn in Munich on August 23, 1913, the son of Jewish parents, who later perished in the Shoah, had emigrated from Germany in 1939 and changed his name upon his naturalization. His mother, Virginia Gertrude née Hardyman (b. at Chicago on August 18, 1920), was Catholic.

    https://everipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin/

    • Replies: @tac
  166. tac says:
    @tac

    correction to my previous statement:

    “was conceived in Dachau camp in 1943″

    should have read:

    was conceived in Dachau camp sometime in early 1944 (since he was born in November 3, 1944)

    So the Dachau angle cannot be true for this father at all.

    Collin was born and grew up in Chicago, Illinois, where he went to local schools. His father, Max Frank Collin, born Max Simon Cohn in Munich on August 23, 1913,[4] the son of Jewish parents who later perished in the Shoah, was a survivor of Dachau.[5] His mother, Virginia Gertrude née Hardyman (b. at Chicago on August 18, 1920), was Catholic.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin#cite_note-Peters-6

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  167. Although the FED and IRS are, no doubt, crucial to the Zionist control of the USA, they would not last long, nor would they have gained the power they have, without the Zionist control of the MSM, Academia, the entertainment industry and the pharmaceutical industry, nor would they be so confident of their continuing in power, without their control of the various parts of the government apparatus and the military.

    Really, the only real challenge to their hegemony that I can see, is the internet and their own hubris.

  168. cassandra says:
    @Anonymouse

    On both sides of the question, their voices are prominent in public discourse reflecting their high IQ.

    The prominent voices may be a simple result of extroversion (“Chutzpah”, to use a cliche’d stereotype.)

    The equally cliche’d “high IQ” explanation certainly deserves examination, but discussion is often incoherent and argumentative. A carefully nuanced exception on this subject is Ron Unz’ recent article, “American Pravda: Racial Discrimination at Harvard”:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/

    The ups and downs of the relative standing of Jewish IQ in America over the last century, and the hypothesized role of immigration, provides a lot to contemplate.

    (I’d be grateful to anyone who could provide links to works of comparable quality.)

  169. cassandra says:
    @druid

    So, you’re saying, no fair using a classic reference on Islamic law to infer something about Islamic law.

    Irony warning: we might be seeing an example of the doctrine of taqiyya, which is dissembling to promote Islam; check it out.

  170. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    The top American Christian supporters of Israel are Protestants whose leaders have been paid off by Israel and Jewish groups such as the ADL.

    These Protestants use a lot of dubious theology that other Christian denominations disagree with.

    There is little freedom of speech in America concerning Israel and the power of the Jewish lobby.

    That is because Jews and the Jewish lobby threaten dissenters.

  171. Them Guys says:
    @tac

    Yes Tac, and what we all were taught, told, and saw via Hollywood and tv movies since we were small kids is that….Evil Nazi Germans went around every place in Europe, found and then rounded up every Jew. Then at gun point a dozen or so armed Nazi SS men, Forced huge crowds of Jews by the tens of thousands at a time, unto waiting train Box Cars/Cattle Cars, and took trains to various Camps.

    Then, as soon as Jews exited cattle cars of trains, Jews were stripped naked, given Matching Striped PJ’s outfits to wear. Then, every single Jew was given a Matching Brush type Haircut…Then every Jew with a now matching haircut and matched set of striped PJ’s….Were Forced to stand single file in very long lines to await their turn to enter into the dreaded Gas Chambers!!!…Then all such Jews were gassed to death by about 2,500-3,000 per each time gas chamber was packed full of Jews…A gas chamber the size f a typical TWO CAR Garage!!…as many as 3,000 Jews shared the total square footage of said two car garage sized chamber of aprox 550 to 600 Sq. Feet….Or about 5 Jews per square foot once inside gas chamber!!

    And we were taught that this entire process took about 10 min, from time chamber was filled until Nazi SS men or Jew men sometimes, Went inside chambers as fast as gas stopped spewing from shower heads….Pulled out all 2,500-3,000 Dead Jews so evil Nazi SS squad men could again repeat same process…This scenario went on 24/7/365 until 6 Gazillions of Jews were killed..It took a total of 18 months to 24 months or so per camp.

    With very accurate head count numbers of dead Jews recorded by some Jewish women who somehow escaped gas death, and was able to view the mass of Cremation Smoke stacks smoke, and her method of counting Jews cooked well done, compared to all “others” who always remain nameless and lesser than Jewish, others, was that she noticed how Jews when cooked in cremation method gave off a Different Color of Smoke! And that smoke kind of smelled sweeter than smoke from those lesser “Others” killed also by Evil Nazi SS men.

    Sooooo…How and where the fuck did any Jews have time or ability to screw and make baby Jewish copies?….Did those Jews have sex while standing in the long lines awaiting death? Or After stacked inside gas chambers?…Once dead and cooked well done and turned into smoke, how did dead mother Jewess give Birth? Did it happen inside smoke stack chimneys? How did little newborn Frankie Collin born inside gas chamber or cremation chimney survive? Did Compassionate evil Nazi SS men feel sorry for newborns and rescue them? None such questions are ever allowed from us goyim peons elsewise we get called vile names for asking valid questions, that Jews have ZERO answers for, eh.

    If only someone could invent and build a massive huge Bitch-Slap machine, Like a very large sized open Hand that can then be used to harshly Bitch Slap all 15 million Jews at same time,maybe it would knock some sense into them so they can, Snap the Fuck Out of It you lying liars.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @tac
  172. Skeptikal says:
    @Them Guys

    ” what we all were taught, told, and saw via Hollywood”

    That might be what Holylwood movies purvey.

    HOwevr, most historians don’t get their history from Hollywood.
    Any thinking and reading person recognizes your account is a cartoon account.
    Auschwitz as shown in Loony Tunes!

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  173. Skeptikal says:
    @Carroll Price

    Actually, I think the official name is the War Between the States.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  174. @Skeptikal

    That’s generally true. The most accurate name however is The War to Prevent Southern Independence because that’s exactly what it was. If the South had been allowed to leave the Union in peace, which is all they ever wanted, there would have been no war. Like virtually every other war in which the United States has been involved, the War to Prevent Southern Independence was a war of choice, that had nothing to do with the defense of the United States, meaning that the only Americans who have died defending their country, were Confederate Soldiers who died defending theirs. All others died for empire, including the Union soldiers who died conquering the Confederate States of America.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  175. Skeptikal says:

    Well, there are a number of interpretations as to what the war was really, really about.
    Your choice of the “most accurate” is just one interpretation or view.
    Another person could say that the most “accurate” name was the War to Preserve the Union.
    Another could say the most “accurate” name is the War to Abolish Slavery.
    Another: The War to Prevent a Slave State on the Southern Border of the United States
    Another: The War to Prevent Britain from Forming a Combination with the Confederacy to Ensure for Itself a Reliable Source of Cotton for Its Textile Factories (cf. India)
    Another (this is the historian Colin Woodard’s Designation): The War for the American West.

    IMO the last is, actually, the most accurate. The war was fought to determine the character of the American West: Slave or Free? American or English? Controlled (i.e., transport) by Northern capital or by British capital?

  176. anastasia says:

    Here is what I don’t get at all about the Jews. There are Jewish people here, many, who want equal rights for everyone – for everyone to have a voice – to accept all the immigrants, whether they come in illegally or legally. How come none of these Jews are in Israel fighting for that? How come they are silent in Israel, but big mouths in America? I don’t get that. What was this author doing in Israel for so long if he truly feels the way does. What is he writing to us. Why not write to them? What had he done in Israel to correct those problems that he is so concerned about in the US? Where are these Jews in Israel? Are they all hiding in their homes?

    • Replies: @JLK
    , @Carroll Price
  177. Them Guys says:
    @Skeptikal

    Those are the things we were told by the adults, parents and teachers back when we were small kids and even as teens. There were just three tv stations back then to get any info from. Those older folks believed it all and related it back to us kids that way. And most every kid had at least one father or uncle who claimed he was in the squad of us army who liberated one or more camps and seen it with own eyes. Back then Nobody yet knew that hollywood sent Director Mr Ford, famous for many John wayne films, at US Govnt and armys request to go and film WWII as He saw it unfold.

    What also was not known untill recent times is how director Ford was secretly told by the top generals etc. To make things appear as they desired it to..Like say, film huge piles of several thousand naked skinny dead bodies in some ditch…And say it was all dead Jews. Our own us army men were told what to think and obeyed such orders.

    About the only part not taught then which I later read of, is how that jewess woman claimed the smoke was different color when Jews got cremated. That I read not so long ago.

    But all that stuff about Striped PJ’s and hair cuts etc. is what we were taught happened.

    I was born in 1953, how old are you? What were you taught as WWII true facts when a kid or whenever? I Know nobody ever taught you what we now know of since internet in past 15 yrs or so has revealed. Maybe you need read some of those supposed actual Jew camper survivor stories and see what those Jews claimed about the big hoax events. Read their Neurenberg Trails claims as eye witness accounts! Fasten your seat belt first, be ready for some real wild tales of Jews.

    Also back then Nobody ever even thought to ask if Jews claims as survivors were false or not. They believed it and told us to believe it all too. We had No such serious historians to rely on then. Only had the three tv stations news and hollywood movies. And all three tv news promoted whatever the fed govnt and Jews said to. Kinda like Todays tv news, eh.

    • Replies: @tac
    , @Skeptikal
    , @anarchyst
  178. JLK says:
    @anastasia

    Plenty of liberal American Jews have been labeled or ejected as troublemakers by Israel.

  179. tac says:
    @Them Guys

    Now knowing what we know so far, people should re-examine the witness testimonials with an open but skeptical ear–objectively. For instance, listen here and here to some of these witnesses with an open mind to see if these claims pass the credulity test.

  180. tac says:
    @Them Guys

    I even heard a surviving Sonderkommando say multiple times the they would remove thousands of corpses after 15 minutes of said gassings (without poisoning themselves in the process) and that they would pull the corpses out with a ‘cane’ by the neck and then drag them to elevators–thousands at a time. Here is a documentary with such a witness (although you would have to watch the documentary to get to this Sonderkommando witness).

    • Agree: Them Guys
  181. @Carroll Price

    Exactly right. All of America’s wars have been wars for empire, from Lincoln’s Aggression to the Philippines to WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq, n Afghanistan. Genocide has frequently been an integral part of the process, most notably against the populations of Germany n Japan. These interventions were not always in America’s interest or under America’s control. Twice the US chose the wrong side in Europe: first, Wilson’s confused n reluctant attack on the Kaiser in 1917; second, FDR’s rescue of the drunken warmonger Churchill n his refusal to respond to Hitler’s many peace offers. Instead of joining the European wide crusade (elements of 15 nations) under Hitler’s leadership to crush a hyper-militarized Bolshevism, the US allowed (((special interests))) to hijack American foreign policy n stab Europe in the back, while stealing Britain’s empire. With these (((interests))) now grown into a privileged ruling class, US foreign policy is now merely a reflection of the trend of factions within this ruling class, an imperial judiciary, now serving the interests of foreign powers, canceling popular elections at will.

    • Agree: Rurik
  182. @Alfred Barnes

    The US Constitution does not guarantee to anyone the right to free speech or religion. It only prohibits the US government from infringing on those rights. Whether states may infringe on those rights is a question that the Constitution does not address. The Incorporation Doctrine purports to limit the states the same as the Feds, but that is a fiction invented by SCOTUS n is nowhere to be found in the Constitution.

  183. @Wally

    I call this “the Nazi behind the curtain” argument. Yes, whites are discriminated against, yes the working class is being destroyed, yes immigration is flooding white countries with low IQ untrained unemployable welfare cheats n criminals… But we have to do all this because there is a Nazi behind the curtain who will take over the world n create a second Holocaust if we don’t. The Nazi behind the curtain argument is employed whenever whites start defending themselves.

  184. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nonny

    Or do you think … Judaism is a race

    Do you seriously believe there’s no such thing as the “Jewish race” or a Jewish racial consciousness?

  185. @anon

    (((Tenured professors))) are the priests of the PC Cult, just as Antifa is its armed wing.

  186. @anastasia

    As natural-born elites, Jews have one set of rules for themselves and another set for the herd, and strangely enough, don’t see anything wrong or unusual about it. Freedom of speech and expression is one of the more glaring examples, with the choice of elite private schools and gated neighborhoods being another. The Soviet Commissars who ruled Russia from 1917 to 1991 (85% of whom were Jews) never pretended to live under the same rules that applied to everyone else. They never lived in over-crowded, 2-room apartments, or waited in long lines for a roll of cheap toilet paper.

  187. Skeptikal says:
    @Them Guys

    You said earlier “What we all were taught.”
    Careful with that sneaky little “we all.”
    Speak only for yourself or else provide evidence if you are speaking for a larger group.
    I as not taught about the Holocaust or much about WW2 in school.
    So, most of the info comes form Hollywood and unstated and stated premises as put forth in the MSM.
    As I said before, serious historians do not get their history or their ideas about the past from Hollywood.
    The general public, who does get its views from TV and movies, is misinformed on many issues.
    But I don’t count myself among those. For starters, i don’t own a TV.

  188. anarchyst says:
    @Them Guys

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists collaborated with the German government and formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the transfer of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Absolutely nothing about extermination.

    [MORE]

    Official International Red Cross figures for all camp deaths total around 731,000-NOT 6 million. In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war.

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would it build camps hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not add up.

    Something BIG stinks in this whole jewish holocaust deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made deals with the German government in order to make life uncomfortable for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the yellow Star of David armband so that they could be easily identified. German jews considered themselves Germans first and had no desire to emigrate.

    The establishment of a homeland along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist dream since the 1800s. Many periodicals of the day starting with the 1800s touted the “six-million” figure.

    What better way to encourage emigration to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the cream of German society (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish holocaust is out . . .

    As cremation of ONE human body takes hours, the amount of time claimed by holocaust promoters is a physical, scientific and statistical impossibility. Their claims also do not account for the “downtime” that crematoria require for maintenance, etc. In addition, there are no mass burial sites that are commensurate with the claims of “six-million” or even “one-million”. There is also a jewish prohibition on excavation of claimed possible burial sites. WHY?? Because THEY DO NOT EXIST. There is even a prohibition on the use of ground penetrating radar to search for burial sites. WHY?? If millions were gassed and cremated, the activities would have lasted well into the 1950s.

    The so-called jewish holocaust has been turned into a de-facto religion in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish holocaust truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the tribe that FEAR the real truth of the jewish holocaust being exposed is evident. A questionable judicial “trick” used in holocaust trials is that of “judicial notice” in which TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE KANGAROO COURTS THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. Judicial notice, once invoked against a defendant, disallows the introduction of evidence that does not conform to “commonly accepted beliefs” about the “holocaust ™”, EVEN IF THE EVIDENCE EXPOSES THE HOLOCAUST LIES AND FABRICATIONS THAT CAN EASILY BE DEBUNKED. A question for you holocaust promoters-why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth?? What are you afraid of??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a cash cow that keeps on giving. . . there’s NO business like SHOAH business. Zionist complicity in this event is carefully covered up.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question official jewish holocaust orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the official jewish holocaust story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to all things holocaust. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment.

    The latest vicitms of holocaustianity are Ursula Haverbeck and Monika Schaefer, both 80 plus-year-old grandmothers who have been prosecuted and sentenced to maximum-security prison in Germany for incorrect thoughts.

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the chosen) to engineer the jewish holocaust, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish holocaust was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many holocausts of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish holocaust is the only one that counts . . . It is interesting to note that the term holocaust to mean mass extermination was never used during or immediately after WW2, only coming to vogue in the 1960s, when it was noted that guilt could be assigned and reparations could be procured.

    Look at the commercialization of the so-called jewish holocaust while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish holocaust survivors, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean camp numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and disease-holocaust transference syndrome. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish holocaust survivors are infected with this disease and should also be considered holocaust survivors, eligible for holocaust reparations. According to these jewish psychiatrists, even unrelated individuals can be “infected” with this “malady”.

    Since the Zionist jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a homeland Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a holocaust of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures). The International Red Cross had full access to all of the camps for the duration of the war, yet reported NOT ONE INSTANCE of extermination or mass murder.

    Regarding that holocaust showplace Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called gas chambers. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called gassing took place. There is a gas chamber chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the operators of these supposed gas chambers. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these camps.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported gas chambers, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the gas chambers did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the chimney for the supposed gas chamber does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH with his professional and personal character assassination by those of the tribe. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts law for practicing engineering without a license-a law which had never been used vindictively before or since. . .After his report was published, he was harassed by Israeli “deep state” types (mossad) who he successfully “outed”.

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to create the death camps for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were liberated by the allies, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be liberated by the Russian allies.

    It is said that the light of day is the best disinfectant in the search for truth Unfortunately this quote does not apply to all things holocaust. It appears that there are those”holocaust promoters who are afraid of the TRUTH. Hence the prosecution and incarceration of those who dare question aspects of this historical event.

    I urge all holocaust believers to check these things out for yourselves IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find.

    • Agree: Them Guys
  189. RobinG says:
    @Art

    And then…

    Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro at Anti-Zionism convention in Nassau Coliseum

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  190. unseated says:
    @geokat62

    In this context, a recent article by Katharine Murphy on the Guardian (not my favourite newspaper but on this occasion may have let slip something unintended) needs to be promulgated more widely in Australia:

    “Morrison consulted his leadership group (but few others, as it turned out, although one of the people in the circle of trust was the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu) and then flagged the embassy shift publicly.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2018/nov/17/morrisons-israel-embassy-policy-cannot-be-fathomed-and-risks-his-political-survival

    Netanyahu part of the PM of Australia’s circle of trust? Heaven help us!

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  191. @Anonymouse

    You must not comprehend basic grammar. It makes perfect sense.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  192. I read David Duke when I was a very young man…….

    It put incredible strain on my psyche……..

    After a period of chaos……

    I found some solace in Zen Buddhism……..

    And yet, no matter the levels of inner self-deconstruction……..

    I remained a White Male to the outside world……..

    And the patterns that I learned about as a very young man………

    Still remained……..

    I encountered many Jewish figures within the Buddhist community……..

    Some of my favorite thinkers were Jewish……..

    And yet, they are still Jews not only to the outside world but to themselves as well……..

    And they almost always advocate for politics which is hostile to White Gentile Males/Nations……..

    It was heartening to see the Dalai Lama advocate for the right of European Nations to exist…….

    No need for Enlightenment on that one…….

    Ha!!

  193. Skeptikal says:
    @Jim Whelan

    Maybe Anonymouse speaks Mouse!

  194. This was a brilliant essay on the question of identity. However, I wonder if we are not giving the Jews too much credit for the state of identity politics in America. Now I have thought along the lines of the author for a long time, and it’s hard for we who understand the scale of Jewish power and influence in the US not to attribute everything to them, but truth is, white American ideological fault lines were well drawn before the arrival of Jews in significant numbers. The north south divide, which some trace back to the old Puritan/cavalier divide of England, had its most cataclysmic expression in the American civil war. Nowhere else has a people wrought such destruction upon itself over a moral question. John Derbyshire frequently refers to the “cold civil war,” and I believe this may be near the mark. White Americans hate one another! Minorities, Israel lobby, all these are daggers either side will grab to stab at the other depending on the circumstances. I think Jews were merely maneuvering a pre existing landscape, taking advantage of a house already divided.

    But still, full of fascinating perspectives.

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  195. Tsigantes says:
    @neutral

    “that jews are anti white, both Israel and the international jew”.

    I’d like to suggest, from a SE Europe perspective, that framing European goyim and their colonial offshoots as ‘white’ is to fall headfirst into a judaic trap.

    First there is no such thing as ‘white’ or ‘black’ people: human beings are ALL shades from pale beige to darkest espresso and no DNA is ‘pure’….there have been too many waves / Hordes of settlement and conquest. Colonial settlers are mixed further than Europeans by virtue of marriage between various immigrant nations and native peoples.

    Second, the white / black dichotomy is exclusively colonial ternimology related foremost to administration – a way to separate human beings who share much the same geographic and thus economic destiny into (hopefully) hostile categories. i.e. If you keep them separate & quarrelling they will not notice who profits by their labour…! ‘Racism’ in the West is a strictly colonial divide & conquer tool, inapplicable in Europe. The Germans at Nuremberg pointed out in their defence that they had taken their ideas on eugenics and race from USA. Europeans define themselves through culture (culture as yoghourt) – thus NSDAAP fantasies of Germanic racial superiority only served to make nazis look – to European eyes – distinctly uncultured, ahistorical and un-European, i.e. foreign to Europe.

    And why did the NSDAAP deploy racialism? To galvanise a depressed, defeated population and supply them with not only a special *identity* but actual Chosen-ness. As Heidegger pointed out, thus the NSDAAP became the mirror of the jews. They fell into the jews’ Chosen-ness, ID Politics trap. Worse – and even more proof of judaisation – the NSDAAP rejected Christianity: thus rejecting Germany’s european inheritance and the one world view that could have saved them from ignominy.

    I apologise for these lengthly comment, but it is a plea to Americans to dig themselves out of a propaganda trap (one could hardly call it intellectual -) which is the aculturalising project of judaisers. Get rid of these poxy, lying definitions that keep you enslaved and unable to think, but only react! Stop playing into malintentioned hands…All you need do is pull back the curtain as Dorothy did in your marvelous Wizard of Oz and reveal the sad and silly power-mechanics behind it.

    Moving on, Mr. and Mrs.’White’, is your quarrel here with ‘Black’ people? Answer: No. Is your quarrel with organised jewish power that has subsumed the 3 European ‘Great Powers’ and 5 Eyes since 1945 and has waged a war against Christianity (not only in Europe & colonies!) for 2000 years? YES.

    Question Three (or, the Emporer’s New Clothes): are these judaizing jews Black?
    Answer: “NO!” says the child gazing at the Emperor, “they are White! ” (Just for the record I detect no Ethiopian jews pulling the strings in your country.)
    Therefore your quarrel according to a child’s unfuddled, unidealogised eye is strictly between goyim versus judaizing jews – in which ‘white’ becomes totally redundant but also ‘racialst’ too since it leaves out the other Americans who also share the JP problem.

    • Replies: @renfro
  196. Them Guys says:

    But many Jews Were highly involved in the usa civil war. I am not sure if this is correct name of the top Jew of both civil war and of the south in general, Judah Benjamin(?) I read that they even put his mug/face on southern money. He was their sec. of war and treasury IIRC?….I also read that many in the south then considered Him as Top #1 Man of, before, during and after civil war era.

    Plus much is written about how the civil war was a Plot by a couple Rothschild’s of London & some other euro nation. I read that two Rothschilds Kids, who were first cousins were going to get married, which happens often in that family it seems, and both Fathers wanted a war to split America permanently into Two separate nations. North nation as a wedding present to the one newly wed, and south going to spouse as presents and for their total control over like a King and Queen sort of.

    A lot more has been written about civil war being another Jew bankster production. How much is true I don’t know. However most who wrote about it are not just run of mill forum poster types, but are well known or famous historian types. And they make very convincing points about it too.

    I think a Good bet is to figure that Jews have been involved in most every war, scam, swindle, attempted genocides, and evils going back at least 3,500 yrs. Back since taken captive to Babylon where it seems they first invented their Rabbinacle Oral Version of Talmud, which was written down later from arond 200 ad until 500 ad eras. They took all the pagan, evil, sexual perversion, false gods, self worship, etc etc they saw in Babylon, and incorporated it into an entire New religion that did away with Moses and the orig religion. Pharisee Rabbis, is who began it and it has never yet been ‘fixed”. There may only be one real possible fix?

  197. Tsigantes says:
    @Chaotic Neutral

    The USA is an outlier among the colonial societies and also a cultural and religious outlier in terms of Europe. It is an exception because the Massachusetts Calvinists ie ‘The Pilgrims’ [Pilgrims to what? Zion] became the dominant culture in increments, first in the War of Independence (which saw many settlers flee north to Canada – why? not only “loyalty” led people to abandon their land and human investment) and secondly after the so-called Civil War which had nothing to do with the moral question you cite and everything to do with money, resources and the North’s ambition to unify for power projection. The Calvinist North waged war on the Catholic south…

    Protestantism was a judaic project in Europe to break the power of the Catholic Church that unified Europe and along with its Graeco-Roman inheritance created European civilisation. Breaking Protestantism into ever smaller warring sects was also a judaic project. Hebraizing these sects resulted in an ever-increasing distance from Catholic orthodoxy, into contradiction. By the time the Massachusetts Calvinists had achieved cultural dominance in the USA c 1900 the American vision was no longer based in the New Testament and Jesus’ vision, but the Old Testament of the jews: USA had become ‘Zion’, the City on the Hill [ieJerusalem, after which Salem Massachusetts was named] which has morphed today into Exceptionalism [Chosen-ness] etc.

    Jews were certainly not latecomers to USA…they were there from the beginning in the 1500s Americas as refugees from Spain, managing the lucrative slave and sugar trades, among other enterprises.

    Thus USA became a culturally judaised nation from early on, and increasingly fraught with enmities…especially toward the native peoples i.e. ‘savages’. The biggest ‘outlier’ difference from the other British colonies (and British imperial policy itself ) was USA’s savage ethnic cleansing of the native peoples, justifying these actions by presenting them as sub-human vermin to be extinguished. On which Hollywood built an entire film genre predicated on this assumption…though Hollywood has refrained from presenting its Palestinian narrative (which is one and the same) in film – at least not YET.

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  198. @Tsigantes

    Actually, I had thought of the connection between the New England Protestants and the Jews as well, although I think this was a happenstance thing, ie that the Protestants shifted emphasis to the Old Testament, rather than any doings of the Jews.

    Yes, there were Jews in the USA even among the earliest settlers, but they were different group, such as Sephardim, who actually were a bit distinct politically. The modern Jewish Marxist/Zionist culture is a product of the Eastern European Jews who arrived late 19th/20th century.

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  199. Tsigantes says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Historians know that when statements like this are made something that was evident is not evident any more

    That holocaust education is introduced, does it mean that it is not self evident any more that there was a holocaust ?

    Bravo, exactly so!

    Drastic as it was, questioning the Holocaust had to be criminalised in Europe precisely because it was never ‘self evident’ to the hundreds and thousands of non-jewish europeans who had been in the camps and to those many more who witnessed the triumphalist aftermath of the war in eastern Europe and concurrent events in Palestine. Put skepticism together with Europe’s 50+ years of objections, reporting and investigation into the Israeli war on Palestinians and later, nuclear build-up…and you have an anti-Israel , anti-Lobby, anti- JP time bomb.

  200. Tsigantes says:
    @Chaotic Neutral

    The Sephardi from Spain and Portugal were the ones originally engaged in the slave and sugar trades in Brazil and the Caribbean and moved into North America from the south. The big 19th c wave of Ashkenazi jews started when the Pale of Settlement was opened. The Russians had not closed the western imperial frontier -it was the countries bordering it. Strangely it was Germany that first opened its border to the shtetl jews…

    The Massachusetts ‘Pilgrims’ were not middle-of-the-road Protestants but fanatics in the same mold as Cromwell. Both Cromwell and the Plymouth sect were funded by jews in the Low Countries. The Plymouth ‘pilgrims’ in fact set sail not to America but to Antwerp where they stayed 20 years to make money and build their ships.
    England was glad to see the back of them!

    • Replies: @Them Guys
  201. renfro says:
    @Tsigantes

    First there is no such thing as ‘white’ or ‘black’ people:

    I see white people…I see black people……are my eyes lying?
    I suppose there are no males or females either…..another case of my lying eyes.

  202. Tsigantes says:

    You are seeing all shades of brown and expressing this verbally using the colonial paradigm. Note doubt you’ll stay firmly inside that too.

  203. Them Guys says:
    @Tsigantes

    Indeed. Pilgrim Judaisers. If thoueth speaketh liketh thisith, and promote/obey mainly, only Ot Judaic Laws, and wearith Black Jewish suits and wide brimith hats like orthodox Jews doeth. Then maybe You too will get a Free pass, back door key, into heaven just like real born Jews do since salvation is based upon birth DNA. And upon strict obedience to every OT law in Leviticus and Deuteronomy biblical books laws for Ancient Israels 12 tribes. All gentiles get salvation Via Christ, except those who act, speak, and dress like OT Jews. They get free pass as if a real Jew.

    Flash alert: Neither Jews nor Protestant Judaisers and pilgrims get any dna based or play acting as Jews, salvation. Just reciting some Jesus Prayer at an altar call, wont do it either. The NT is where one finds the key to salvation. Perhaps someone can alert John Hagee and all his Televangelists pals about this, so they stop their reckless ruinations of duped apostate souls by the hundreds of millions.

  204. @unseated

    Soros bought the Guardian a few years ago

  205. Good article. But the problem is capitalism, imperialism, class and war, not identity.

    The real split in America is between those who vote and those who do not — 2/3 do not vote.

    Of the voters, a substantial group could be arguably described as socialists RATHER THAN identitarians … and one could suppose that a party that advocated a Corbyn / Sanders / Beto sort of socialist program that would restore CLASS and IMPROVING THE HUMAN CONDITION (instead of improving the bouregois condition) might gain traction among those working types who have given up and don;t even register to vote let alone vote. Why bother?

    It is clear that Sanders would have thumped Trump in 2016.

    Except for the criminal “meddling” in the Democratic primaries by Hillary Clinton and her female fake feminist goons and thugs, Sanders would have been the nominee.

    But with Nancy Pelosi, an even worse Hillary Clinton type, leading House Democrats, it is clear that the next two years will be more of the same imperials, neoliberal, police state, Deep State Hillary Clintonism that one would have thought America avoided in 2016.

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