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See, earlier, from 2007: Charles Murray’s “Jewish Genius”, by Steve Sailer

The Left’s attitude to IQ epitomizes its irrational, contradictory, self-serving, anti-science world view. At one moment, IQ tests are biased against blacks, IQ tests don’t measure anything meaningful, and there are different and equally important kinds of “intelligence.” But when a 4-year-old black girl living in the UK has an IQ of 140 and is the youngest person ever to join UK MENSA—how much higher would it be without all the “stereotype threat” she has to cope with?—then she is a “genius” with “superior general intelligence”. [4-Year-Old Girl Labeled a ‘Genius,’ Scores 140 IQ, by Jasmine Washington, Ebony, March 14, 2019] Similarly, the same contradictory thought system surfaced recently with the publication of some truly ground-breaking research on the Ashkenazi Jews.

Ashkenazi Jews—Jews whose ancestors settled in Eastern Europe—have the highest average IQ of any race in the world, estimated to be about 112, 12 points higher than white gentiles. As far back as 1938, a study noted the Ashkenazis’ outstanding levels of intelligence and especially their high linguistic abilities [Der Gegentypus, by E.R. Jaensch] and studies have continuously replicated this ever since —see The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement by Richard Lynn. Their high average IQ means that Ashkenazi Jews are and have long been massively over-represented in high-status professions. For example, Jews are overrepresented among Nobel Prize winners by a factor of 8:1. And this has often led to vehement resentment from the host population. But precisely why Ashkenazi IQ is so stratospheric has remained unclear…until now.

In his book The Chosen People, Richard Lynn assumed that the reason for Jews’ outstanding IQ was genetic. He proposed, in particular, that Jews were historically forced into specific cognitively-demanding professions, such as usury and banking, meaning that less-intelligent Jews tended to drop out of Judaism and marry into the surrounding gentile population. In addition, Lynn argued that the frequent pogroms to which Jews were subject in Eastern Europe would have been “selection events” which would have selected for correlates of IQ such as future-orientation, social skill, planning and simply the wealth needed to escape. Thus, Lynn argued that, even though Jewish IQ was high before the Holocaust, it was probably even higher afterwards.

His critics, however, propose environmental explanations for Jewish high IQ: a religion that encourages literacy, combined with key cultural values such as diligence. Clearly, these environmentalist explanations were question-begging, because “diligence” and being interested in intellectual matters are both caused by high IQ.

But a new study means that these explanations can finally be laid to rest in the graveyard of failed theories. Led by Curtis S. Dunkel of West Illinois University, this study has proven Lynn correct: the high IQ of Jews is caused by genetic factors. [Polygenic Scores Mediate the Jewish Phenotypic Advantage in Educational Attainment and Cognitive Ability Compared With Catholics and Lutherans, by Curtis S. Dunkel et al., Evolutionary Behavioral Sciences, 2019]

The study, whose authors include the dysgenic intelligence researcher Michael Woodley of Menie (see At Our Wits’ End: Why We’re Becoming Less Intelligent and What It Means for the Future, by Edward Dutton and Michael Woodley of Menie, 2018) and the controversial Danish race and intelligence scholar Emil Kirkegaard, draws on the Wisconsin Longitudinal Study, in which Jews are compared to whites—specifically Lutherans and Catholics—on IQ.

Dunkel’s team compared these to these groups’ recently released “polygenic scores” on IQ and educational attainment—in other words the percentage of each group that carried the form of a polymorphism (an allele which takes a variety of forms) that is associated with very high IQ. They found that the Jewish advantage over the two white groups was “partially mediated” (i.e. “partially caused”) by the fact that a higher percentage of Jews carried the polymorphism that was associated with very high IQ.

In other words, Jews have higher IQ than whites, in part, for genetic reasons: Ashkenazi Jews are congenitally more intelligent, on average, than white people.

Consistent with this, Dunkel’s team also found that that the Jewish IQ advantage is on g, that is “general intelligence.” “General intelligence” refers to the way in which people who score highly on one aspect of intelligence – such as mathematical intelligence–generally score highly on others, like linguistic intelligence. This means there is a “General Factor of Intelligence” which underpins these different cognitive abilities. This is known as g, for “General Intelligence.”

Different parts of the IQ measure different cognitive abilities. These abilities correlate with the g factor to different degrees. So, for example, mathematical ability is a better measure of g than is verbal ability.

Scores in these different cognitive abilities vary in how genetic they are, but g is strongly genetic: about 83% heritable. [Dysgenics, by Richard Lynn] Some people will have different IQ scores because they vary on weakly g-loaded cognitive abilities, meaning their score differences are likely due to environmental factors. But when you compare Jews to white people, then the differences are on g, and so on the most genetically-influenced parts of the IQ test.

So the question really is settled. Jews are smarter than whites for genetic reasons. And this fits with research by Italian anthropologist Davide Piffer, which I’ve reported on before, which shows that all race differences in IQ are for genetic reasons—because these differences are strongly associated with the percentage of racial populations that carry polymorphisms associated with high IQ.

Dunkel’s team’s findings are a problem for the anti-Truth Left because they create “cognitive dissonance” [A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance, by Leon Festinger, 1957] by causing them unconsciously to realize that they hold contradictory beliefs:

Jew are smarter than whites. That’s good. It’s caused by genes. That’s bad because it probably means more race differences in IQ are caused by genes. And research on IQ…that’s bad because it implies some groups are better than others. But showing non-Whites are better than Whites…that’s good…erm…Equality . . . Black Lives Matter!

The solution for one Tweeting SJW, David Byrne, was to come down on the side of “race differences in IQ CANNOT be for genetic reasons” and to smear, from this perspective, the research as a revival of “race science with newer words”.

Another was to criticize the sample size, which was low in some cases. However, the findings, in terms of indicating that race differences in IQ are mainly genetic, were congruous with those of others, such as David Piffer, and, anyway, the team have replications in the pipeline, as they stated.

Another tactic was to scream “pseudoscience”:

But the Lance Welton Prize for SJW Scientist Cognitive Dissonance simply has to be awarded to “archaeologist” Scott MacEachern for his masterful refutation of the Dunkel et al. study:

“You and yours would have been dancing around the fire when Boas’ books were burned in Germany in the 1930s”.

Evolution has made Jews more intelligent than white people. Race differences in IQ are genetic. And in that IQ is strongly genetic and races are genetic clusters.

Anti-science, but why would anyone even doubt this?

That’s a subject for another column.

Lance Welton [Email him] is the pen name of a freelance journalist living in New York.

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  1. The bad news is…Jews are a subset of “White People”.

    Oops.

  2. nickels says:

    So Jews are the best race at pronouncing high English, lol.
    What a crock.
    I guess I’ll have to spend more time appreciating all that Jewish architecture, music, painting and literature, lol.

  3. – I would expect part of the “educational attainment”to be an artefact,
    i.e. non-meritocratic 😀
    And they have their own problems – the only fastbreeding segment are the Haredim, not renowned for their smarts.

    Still, the more that is known, the better.
    Boas has made US anthropology an international laughingstock for long enough.

  4. Rational says:

    BOGUS STUDY—COMPARES FAKE RACE TO REAL RELIGION.

    The study authors contradict themselves. First they claim that Yehudi (citizens of Judea, a non-existent nation, a fake nationality) whom he mistakenly calls “Jews” are a genetic group, and compares them to other RELIGIOUS groups. Maybe he is trying to compares Judaists to Catholics.

    Bogus study from the start. Probably a scam by the Judaists.

    Oh, and the Judaists–their Beersheet crashed, but the Chinese one made it to the moon and the “stupid whites” have sent rovers to Mars by now.

    Israel, a failed state, built on stolen land, lives on stolen money, constantly begging the US and Germany for money.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Moi
  5. Their high average IQ means that Ashkenazi Jews are and have long been massively over-represented in high-status professions. For example, Jews are overrepresented among Nobel Prize winners by a factor of 8:1

    The article, ‘Jewish Bias and the Nobel Prize’, suggests that the overrepresentation in America is 26:1 and says:

    …it is up to the extended Nobel Committee…to choose from the short list of candidates. At this stage the most important factor is the number and status of the scientists who support a particular nominee…And it is here that Jewish scientists can and do [make] use of their talent for networking (with other Jews) and their exceptional verbal intelligence. We might not be able to see a full explanation for the J-bias in higher Jewish IQ or preferential selection of intellectual [careers] by Jews. The probable remaining explanation is the stronger advocacy behind Jewish than behind Gentile scientists. The somewhat higher IQ, the somewhat preferential selection of intellectual jobs and the strong and effective Jewish networking together add up to the 26-fold J-bias. It is readily understandable that there are 26 times more ‘mentors’ (mostly other Jews) behind every successful Jewish scientist than behind a successful Gentile scientist in the USA.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  6. Anon[181] • Disclaimer says:

    Jew are smarter than whites. That’s good.

    Those smart ashkenazi Jews are precisely a mix of German and Central Caucasian genetics. Arab Jews aren’t known for being bright, and neither are people from the Central Caucus.

    It makes no sense to compare the Jewish genetic pool, which has meaningful boundaries, to that of Lutherans that has none. The term “Whites” doesn’t even provide near the genetic reference that the term “Jewish” does. They need to do a comparison of Jews to native Danes, for example, to arrive at meaningful comparative data.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @TRM
    , @Hail
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @Mr McKenna
  7. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    The Nobel Prize has no documented correlation to IQ variance among scientists. Its a prize awarded on subjective measures by humans. Its political by its nature. The sample size for winners is low, and winners by IQ is nonexistent as far as I know.

  8. Why does the author of this article continuously shift between making generalizations about ‘Jews’ and ‘Ashkenazi Jews’? It is known, for instance, that the average IQ in Israel is about 96. Why doesn’t this statistical fact surface in to his claim about ‘Jewish genius’?

    As for Catholics, tens of millions of Catholics are Hispanic and millions more, African converts. There is no such thing as a ‘Catholic IQ’.

    But if we are to play this IQ game, why not measure and average the entire Jewish genome?

    If we did, Jewish ‘genius’ would surely be far less spectacular.

    If, for instance, we measured only (Christian) Presbyterians and Unitarian IQs (who tend to come from upper-middle-class background) these average Christian IQs would probably reveal them to be ‘smarter’.

    Certainly, many European-derived Jews (who are automatically entitled to Israeli citizenship) are very intelligent and super high achievers, but why do all Jews (including those with a European genetic admixture) get to be added in with the so-called descendents of King David and God’s ‘Chosen people’?

    Tricks of this kind also elevate the interests of non-Semitic Jews who can hide behind charges of being victimized by ‘anti-Semitism’.

    Similarly, American Jews also get to play the ‘Holocaust survivor’ game, even though they were never threatened by Hitler’s alleged plan for ‘genocide’.

    The shifting sands of Jewish identity and Jewish ‘history’ are a political shell game.

    But here’s a fact we should agree on: the destiny and vision of the Jewish people is inexorably linked to their collective sense of innate superiority, unparallelled Godliness as a separate race, and intermitable conflict with the ‘anti-Semitic’ goyim.

    This toxic worldview renders Jews our perennial adversaries, not our allies.

    • Agree: Craig Nelsen
  9. Just remember goyim, the genetic link between intelligence and race ONLY applies to (((special people))), because they’re (((special))).

    Everyone else is just the same outside and in.

  10. renfro says:

    I must not be jewish because I cant figure out if this article is a joke….lol

    • LOL: Vianney
    • Replies: @Vojkan
  11. @nickels

    – Bauhaus
    – Mendelssohn-Bartholdy, Offenbach
    – Jugendstil (some purists insist this is not “art”)
    – Nestroy, Kraus, Roda Roda, Rezzori

    I cannot speak for high English, but their visible mastery of German – playfulness even –
    has always irked me.
    Interesting case, this … they were on the verge of becoming prized endosymbionts.
    Amos Elon called it “what might have been”, and Canetti held their hatred for the
    West in general and Germany in particular was rejected love.
    (it follows that the Six Million ™ myth is not so much directed against those who pay for it as it is to keep their own people in permanent psychosis)

    • Replies: @nickels
  12. Let me see if I understand this. Are scientists saying that if Gentiles stop persecuting Jews, that will make Jews dumber?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  13. I find the research on differing ethnocentrism and other character traits like empathy between the races to be more interesting because the race/IQ debate is already a done deal scientifically. Many races differ in more subtle ways than just IQ and there is too much paucity in research covering these topics.

  14. Let’s be honest: the paper finds an 8.4 point (roughly half a standard deviation) difference in intelligence, only half of which is genetic. So being born Ashkenazi is worth an extra 4.2 IQ points on average. If IQ and Nobel prizes were correlated, Chinese geniuses should outnumber Jewish geniuses 100 to 1.

  15. @Brás Cubas

    Erm … yes.
    Persecution is external selection pressure.
    In slightly less friendly terms, you could also say their parasitic existence selects for the cunning, psychopathic and unnoticeable.
    To evolutionary biology, “sickness” is just a transitory stage in the development of parasitism (it is not in the intelligent parasite´s interest either to kill the host or trigger his immune response), IOW blacks are a pestilence because they are insufficiently evolved parasites.

    Once you take away the external pressure, selective advantage passes back to the independently
    faster reproducing, i.e. the religious, the antisocial and the stupid 😀

  16. nickels says:
    @nokangaroos

    – Bauhaus
    Hideous monstrosities.

    – Mendelssohn
    Sentimetal, meandering, second rate.

    – Jugendstil (some purists insist this is not “art”)
    – Nestroy, Kraus, Roda Roda, Rezzori
    Never heard of any of them.
    I liked Pasternak a little, that’s about it.
    And, of course, we can’t forget fake scientist Einstein with his fake theories.

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
    , @Anonymous
  17. Lot says:

    “As far back as 1938, a study noted the Ashkenazis’ outstanding levels of intelligence ”

    They go back even further than that. In fact there were enough such studies in 1936 that a review article of them was published. (Brill, Studies of Jewish and non-Jewish Intelligence)

    The Stanford Binet study of the highest IQ children in NYC public schools in the 1920s was about 93% Jewish.

    Here’s a giant 1936 study of Wisconsin children with Jews on top:

    https://www.gwern.net/docs/iq/1936-byrns.pdf

  18. Reisen says:

    Jew are smarter than whites. That’s good. It’s caused by genes. That’s bad because it probably means more race differences in IQ are caused by genes. And research on IQ…that’s bad because it implies some groups are better than others. But showing non-Whites are better than Whites…that’s good…erm…Equality . . . Black Lives Matter!

    Lance, have you happened to read what Ron Unz has written about this fantastic Jewish IQ? Or Helmuth Nyborg? Because this 112-115 IQ comes from a 1957 study in a yeshiva school, which Lynn then used.

    Audacious Epigone, through the GSS, gives the Ashkenazim IQ at 107-109, depending on the group surveyed. Helmuth Nyborg used 260,000 Jews, which earned an IQ of 112.

    The polygenic study, touted on this website as sure proof that Jews are smarter, used only 54 subjects. Under other studies that number is pitifully small, genetics or not. Compare the Ashkenazim population of Israel to America’s and then see if there are any differences in IQ.

    I’ve seen this line too many times: blacks are less intelligent than whites, but when it comes to Jew-white IQ differences, sorry goy, you just need to shut up and realize you’re just losing because you are dumb.

    • Replies: @Anon
  19. Reisen says:
    @Lot

    I suspect you are referring to the Louis Terman study, of which Charles Murray wrote that 24/28 schoolchildren of high intelligence were Jewish.

    The paper you reference writes that at least 60% of the median with IQs above average or of high intelligence is Jewish, which is then reinforced by the conclusion that Jews are among, if not the group with the highest intelligence in America.

    The Cochran and Harpending paper made a similar conclusion in regards to both English Jews having higher IQs than white English, and again in Germany and Hungary (according to Charles Murray, 80% of Hungarian industry was in the hands of the Jews, and that is certainly not anything suspicious or cause for ‘Jewish supremacy’). Then, we have Unz’s Meritocracy article and the new Lynn papers in that one.

    So, who is correct here? A polygenic study of only 54 subjects, or the IQ scores of the Israeli population? Ron Unz, or a Lance Welton?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Lot
  20. Reisen says:

    I forgot to add this:

    For example, Jews are overrepresented among Nobel Prize winners by a factor of 8:1. And this has often led to vehement resentment from the host population.

    According to Lynn’s book on Jewish achievement, Jews accounted for half of all stock ownership in countries like Germany, Austria, and Hungary, to name a few. Nearly half of all bankers. Half or 3/4s of all major newspaper owners. If you take those data sets seriously, you actually do get an impression that Jews are so overrepresented as to dominate all aspects of society, and this cannot be solely due to intelligence. The 54 Jews referenced in that paper pull an IQ of 109, and while that does echo the work of Audacious Epigone, it still isn’t nearly representative of the Ashkenazi population as a whole.

  21. Lot says:
    @Reisen

    No, Terman’s study was later and not limited to NYC. It was similar it that it heavily tested a very high IQ group over a long period.

  22. Lot says:
    @Reisen

    GSS understates AJ IQ because of low ceiling and not excluding non-ANs who identify as Jewish.

    Correct for this and you end up with about 111, in line with other studies.

    Honestly you think AJs are only 3 points above Koreans?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Svigor
  23. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reisen

    Audacious Epigone, through the GSS, gives the Ashkenazim IQ at 107-109, depending on the group surveyed. Helmuth Nyborg used 260,000 Jews, which earned an IQ of 112.

    I wouldn’t give much credence to what that retarded creep Audacious Epigone has to say.

  24. @nickels

    let’s put that Jew Einstein’s “fake theories” to the test:

    • Replies: @nickels
    , @Curmudgeon
  25. anarchyst says:

    Ashkenazim may claim to have higher verbal IQs but when it comes to humanity in general it is white gentiles who have come up with the most radical, but freedom enhancing rationality ever thought of by humankind.
    The American Declaration of Independence and Constitution BOTH declare that rights are not granted by governments but are inherent in us being human. PERIOD…No other country has ever expressed these ideals, their citizens being “subjects”, not “free men”.
    Every other race has no conception of true freedom of the individual, and yes, looks to “leaders” to provide structure in their lives.
    Jews are no exception to the rule, condoning slavery to the present-day. Not only “chattel slavery” but economic and sexual slavery as well, this sexual slavery being “anything goes” with child, adult, man and beast. Economic slavery is buttressed by legal fictions, usury being a prime component of their treachery. Follow the shekels…
    All one has to do is look at Israel, which is the epicenter of every perversion known to humankind.

  26. nickels says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Einstein’s theories have absolutely no impact on nuclear energy, gps, nor anything else of any real impact.
    Do the homework.
    It’s a big scam.

  27. TRM says:
    @Anon

    “It makes no sense to compare the Jewish genetic pool, which has meaningful boundaries, to that of Lutherans that has none.” – Good point. I hadn’t thought of that. Apparently the study’s authors hadn’t either.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Wizard of Oz
  28. Ron Unz says:

    Well, glancing over this article, I’m really pretty skeptical of the analysis being presented. Indeed, the data provided in the Richard Lynn book cited would actually suggest an entirely different conclusion.

    Lynn has managed to locate 32 separate IQ studies of American Jews from 1920 to 2008, and his book and IQ Table are conveniently available here on my website:

    http://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__the-chosen-people/#t_141

    No one in their right mind looking at that table would put the Jewish IQ as high as 112 and even 108 seems like a real stretch. What’s particularly noticeable is that the Jewish IQ was not much above 100 during the early decades of the 20th century, and only began to sharply rise when Jews became much more affluent.

    As I wrote in an article several years ago:

    On pp. 273-279, Lynn performed an exhaustive literature search for all Jewish IQ studies in America, and presented the 32 examples he found, ranging in date from 1920 to the present day. He then noted the intriguing fact that Jewish IQs had substantially risen relative to white gentile scores during the course of the 20th century. Jewish IQ had averaged 101.5 in the first 14 studies from 1920-1937, then 107 in the nine studies from 1944-1960, and finally 111 in the last nine studies from 1970-2008. All these results had been separately normed against a fixed IQ of 100 for the average white population.

    A relative rise of 10 IQ points over just eighty-odd years in America seems unlikely to have any biological or genetic explanation, so it must be cultural or socio-economic in origin, hence an example of what I call the “Super-Flynn Effect.” Presumably, the underlying factors are somewhat similar to those which produced Ireland’s rise of 13 IQ points in the three decades after 1972, or the 15-20 point relative rise in the very low 1920s IQs of Greek, Italian, and Slav immigrants to America, or the recent rise in Mexican-American IQs.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    Obviously, none of this makes any sense to a committed IQist such as the author of this article, but it seems to me that an article citing Richard Lynn’s book should make at least some effort to explain Richard Lynn’s data…

  29. Perhaps,

    but i suspect that in all consideration it is the result of a society that is fairly closed, including the social and educational practices.

  30. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    It makes no sense to compare the Jewish genetic pool, which has meaningful boundaries, to that of Lutherans that has none

    Sorry, that is an ignorant statement.

    Does the proposed genetic pool (ethnicity) of “Germans” have “no meaningful boundaries” in your mind, as well?

    The Lutheran sample in that study (Wisconsin, b. late 1930s) would have been mainly German, some Scandinavian, and minor components of other nearby regions of Europe (perhaps the odd few Finns, Balts, and Hungarians; nothing outside what a North-Central European sample wouldn’t expect to have anyway). This is pretty much as good a set of “boundaries” as any you will find.

  31. Thomm says:
    @HallParvey

    The bad news is…Jews are a subset of “White People”.

    Which everyone who is not a WN already knows.

    • Replies: @James Scott
  32. @Anon

    It makes no sense to compare the Jewish genetic pool, which has meaningful boundaries, to that of Lutherans that has none

    You don’t know many Lutherans, do you? Until fairly recently, all their synods were ethnically-drawn. In Europe, they’re established state churches.

    Your point would be closer to the truth regarding Catholics. Our parishes are traditionally ethnic, too, but drawn from every corner of Europe, and hence more diverse.

  33. @TRM

    Jews are more racially diverse than are Lutherans.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  34. @Lot

    “As far back as 1938, a study noted the Ashkenazis’ outstanding levels of intelligence ”

    So, what went wrong in your case?

    I mean, why are you so dumb?

  35. The study is a joke! And you wonder why no one in the real scientific world gives credence to the “Behavioral Sciences” because most of it— is not science. Here’s a quote from the abstract:

    Longitudinal Study was examined as a mediator of the group difference between Jews (n = 53) and 2 Christian denominations, Catholics (n = 2,603).

    Did anyone ever hear of sample size? You can cherry pick anything you want in a study like this. This study has been panned on Unz before. It may be possible that there is some truth to this but this study has no validity and anyone who thinks it does should take some courses in statistics. This is the type of nonsense that Taleb and his crew use for cannon fodder against people who try and use IQ to justify their circular arguments.

    Absolute Pseudoscience….. …Perhaps I’ll see this on Retraction Watch in a few months….just sad.

    • Agree: utu
  36. WELTON: “Richard Lynn assumed that the reason for Jews’ outstanding IQ was genetic.”

    Stranger: Wrong!
    Prof. Lynn breaks Israeli IQ into 3 components https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/027597510X/vdare – “Race Differences in Intelligence” by Richard Lynn — Another anomaly is that the IQ of Israel is only about 94, which although substantially higher than the median IQ of 85 found elsewhere in the region, is much lower than the IQ of Jews outside of Israel, estimated at between 108 and 115.

    Lynn breaks the Israeli IQ into three components: * 40% Ashkenazim (European Jewish) with a mean IQ of 103; * 40% Sephardim (Oriental Jewish) with a mean IQ of 91; and * 20% Arab with a mean IQ of 86, which is virtually the same as that of Arabs elsewhere.

    .. Even factoring in the 20% Arabs at the IQ for neighboring Lebanon (IQ=86), and the 1% Falashas at the IQ for Ethiopia (IQ=63), the Jewish Israeli (Sephardim + Ashkenazi) IQ is still only about 97.

    This is nothing like the 115 figure touted for U.S. Jews. The U.S. figure is simply an average score for the U.S. upper-middle class, in which social class most U.S. Jews live.

    The dropping-out phenomenon: Jewish losers in the U.S. (and that’s about 2 out of every 3) leave the Jewish upper-middle class enclave for the American mainstream and (usually) abandon Judaism for christianity (usually Catholicism for some reason) or Agnosticism. In Israel this process of constant dropping out into the embedding host culture is not possible, and Jews who fall to the lower classes must retain their Jewish identity.

    And then there is the reverse process: The dropping-in phenomenon: “The Jews” in America have become somewhat of an upper-middle-class social club. Quite a few successful business people and celebrities convert to Judaism and drop-in to the Jewish nation-within-a-nation. And again, this is something that can’t happen in Israel.

    ______________________
    ALSO CONSIDER:
    Jewish high IQ? Not in Israel! http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1261244340410&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Dec 20 2009 ‘Israeli pupils least educated in West’ ..achievements in international exams were almost unwaveringly lower in Israel than in other Western nations..Only Italy came close to Israel’s ranking, with students receiving comparatively low test scores, which nonetheless were higher than those of their Israeli counterparts.
    Even the Israeli honors students – those in the top five percent of their class – received comparatively lower scores on international tests..

  37. @Lot

    Jews got smarter after the holocaust. No more Mr. Nice Guy!
    .

    • Replies: @joeshittheragman
    , @Lot
  38. @anarchyst

    He said they were smart;he didnt say they were sweethearts!
    BTW,this “Jews are really smart,oh boy!”stuff has the smell of philosemitism about it.

  39. Lo says:

    This is obviously an article with an agenda, the writing gives it away that the author is paid to iterate the point. He repeats that “Jews have higher IQ” line in almost every other sentence, too bad it is 1200 words and he is exposed. That aside:

    In his book The Chosen People, Richard Lynn assumed that the reason for Jews’ outstanding IQ was genetic. He proposed, in particular, that Jews were historically forced into specific cognitively-demanding professions, such as usury and banking, meaning that less-intelligent Jews tended to drop out of Judaism and marry into the surrounding gentile population. In addition, Lynn argued that the frequent pogroms to which Jews were subject in Eastern Europe would have been “selection events” which would have selected for correlates of IQ such as future-orientation, social skill, planning and simply the wealth needed to escape. Thus, Lynn argued that, even though Jewish IQ was high before the Holocaust, it was probably even higher afterwards.

    Let’s break down this idiot bit. No one was “forced into” banking, does Lynn actually think every single Jew was a doctor or a banker? People don’t “drop out” of their religion because it requires banking skills. I mean, this was some of the dumbest things I have ever heard of and it doesn’t even stop there. Pogroms as selection events? Yeah, I am sure when the lynching starts people go after the poorest, not the richest members of the minority. If anything poor would have a better chance of surviving pogroms. Finally, idiocy reaches its peak point, and calls Holocaust victims stupid & gives a positive spin to the Holocaust. It is almost like call for a Holocaust lol. Imagine if the last Holocaust made Jewish IQ 115, the next one could make it 140! And after that, they can all fly to the Moon, declare it Israel and paint a giant David’s Star on the bright side so that rest of idiots can be constantly reminded that they are smarter and are on the moon (ok, I concede it wouldn’t be fun without Arabs to shoot, so they should bring some Arabs to the dark side and put a fence between the two sides [better yet they can make Arabs from thin air since they have 140 IQ]).

    Sarcasm aside, I see no signs of such intelligence. The absolute main reason for Jewish prominence is the sort of tribalism that Christians or Muslims would not understand because both religions are universalist. Secondary reasons are hard work (in the past mostly, modern American Jews are not the same as poor immigrants their ancestors were), a love for money and inferiority complex due to being a member of a looked down minority. However, as they become more secular and integrated, previous traits change and disappear; I am explaining the past causes.

    But anyway, do not encourage Jewish hatred in the US. Jews are equal citizens, mostly accepted by society, and for the first time in history are not being discriminated against. As a result, they are able to integrate and heal diseases like the love of money and inferiority complex. This process of integration bothers ancient vampires. They want young American Jews to carry the same vitriol they have been carrying. So they scare them, and at the same time give non-Jews a healthy dose of hostility.

    Appearances can be deceiving. Some who provoke anti-Jewish sentiment might be working for Zion. Creating a needless hostility towards Jews, in general, is what senior Zionist Jews and Israel-firsters want. The best solution against evil is to ignore it. If you have Jewish friends, be friendlier. Let the likes of Sheldon Adelson die with their hatred against humanity.

  40. WELTON: Ashkenazi Jews—Jews whose ancestors settled in Eastern Europe

    Stranger: Very misleading. The ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews arrived in Eastern Europe tens of thousands of years ago, same as everybody else in the area. Their ancestors were not recent arrivals from the middle East.

    Ashkenazi Jews LOOK Eastern European, not Midde-Eastern. Tzipi Livni looks like Angela Merkel’s sister, and Ben Netanyahu, looks like Jay Leno.

    Ashkenazi Jews ancestors (Khazars) CONVERTED to Judaism, in the 8th century, in mass. After their king went shoping for a national religion, and selected Judaism. Mostly because he liked Talmud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Judaism

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  41. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    Those Catholics might have rocks for brains, but they sure have some nice architecture, no? Take the 2,000-year-old Pantheon or Notre Dame, the one that made it just past it’s 800th birthday. And the Spanish Colonial style is one of the best, with the elegant, arched doorways and the stucco.

    So, it took some banker brains, toiling away at the math to keep up all of those artists who were painting portraits, landscapes and architectural scenes in perspective, a math-related skill of lower order. Who had the best end of this cognitive-abilities equation, I ask you? And where is Bernie in those rows of Wall Street Journal miniatures of the great Jewish minds?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @buzzwar
  42. j2 says:

    I wrote a post a bit related to this topic:
    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2019/05/29/non-additive-gwas-the-cold-winter-theory-and-ethnocentrism/

    My conclusions are different from that in the article.

    • Replies: @niteranger
    , @res
  43. Wally says:

    Oh yawn, this same old fake crap about high Ashkenazi IQs.

    They like to select and measure themselves separately from other Jews, while they then compare themselves to the false data of, say “Germans” or “Scandinavians” which deceptiveley includes other ethnic groups / races who reside in Germany and Scandinavian countries.

    Jew IQ is largely a myth established by marketing and media control, starting with the Einstein brand; as fake & fraudulent as he was.
    The myth is used to justify and conceal Jewish nepotism. Nepotism that Jews otherwise reject when others do it.

    • Replies: @Wally
  44. Whites come in more varieties than Jews. We come in many more physical varieties, as well as mental varieties, than Jews. We are a much more beautiful race, although the obesity epidemic is taking a toll. So, of course, you will have this large grouping of very smart people within the small Ashkenazim enclave, but you will find a huge segment of whites who are also just as intelligent. And since there are more varieties of whites (looks, IQ, and mental disposition), you will get a richer assortment of people who tend to have a lot of creativity.

    Ashkenazim tend to look alike; there’s about 3 different “looks” that I’ve seen a pattern in: the Evelyn de Rothschild look, which includes people like Bibi, Bernanke and Emanuel Rahm; The weasel look which includes Eli Wiesel, Roman Polanski, Steven Spielberg, Janet Yellen, Joseph Stiglitz, Adelson; and the Frog look includes Elana Kagan, Mark Zuckerberg, Robert Kagan, and Soros. They also tend to not really work. They involve themselves with manipulating and directing other people and their money.

    What is often over-looked in the quest to find the “better” people (as the article calls them) based on IQ, is the fact that you can be a genius but still be a very miserable person if you don’t have Love in your life. And, if so many of our Tech people are of the high IQ and creative brands, then why is Technology busy taking us to the bottom? If all these people are so great and smart then why aren’t they creating something sustainable instead of this massive High Tech Totalitarian system?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  45. neir says:

    In any large population, you can always find a sub-population that has higher average IQ than that of the larger popultion

    Zhejinag province in china has an average IQ of 115 and produces the second highest number of billionaires in the world

    https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/27/technology/zhejiang-hangzhou-billionaires/index.html

  46. @Rational

    Is your moniker Rational ironic or sending yourself up? Or are you unable to see that the reported studies did not focus on religion but on Ashkenazi Jews (as nearly all American Jews are) and groups of white Americans who presumably were chosen as giving a rough and ready ethnic division that would reflect different geographical origins? Your rant suggests that you are unaware that fewrr than 50 per cent of Israelis are of Ashkenazi origin, a fact whic may go some way to explaining Israrli failures as the commonly quoted figure for average Israeli IQ is 93.

  47. @Anon

    They need to do a comparison of Jews to native Danes, for example, to arrive at meaningful comparative data.

    But that wouldn’t produce the result they seek.

    Similarly, no mention of Episcopals, inter alia.

  48. Not only that I’m not an IQ worshiper, I just find this article not very convincing. I’ve ceased reading when the author juxtaposed Jewish “race” (no, they’re not a race) against Gentiles (are they “race”? Or a family of “races”? Or ….).

    Those who are interested in various human accomplishments in various fields throughout history concentrate on numerous disciplines, covering social, humanistic, exact, biomedical …sciences & various other areas.

    Trying to explain human accomplishment mainly through IQ is like explaining sexuality solely/mostly through masturbation.

  49. @anarchyst

    How long have you spent in Israel, and where and associating with whom? I do understand that there are clever people like the late Immanuel Kant of Kõnigsberg who became very wise and knowledgeable without ever leaving his home city so I wonder if you are like that or if you have been to Israel and observed it and its people for yourself.

  50. Gene says:
    @HallParvey

    “Jew are smarter than whites”. Are Jews black?
    Also, if I convert to Judiasm tomorrow will my IQ rise above other religous minoritie (Jews are not a race).

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  51. @TRM

    Perhaps it won’t have occurred to you either that white Lutherans (plus Catholics) formed a reasonable approximation to white non-Ashkenazi Americans so a sensible comparison (albeit with too small a sample) could be made of the kind intended.

  52. By the way:

    In his book The Chosen People, Richard Lynn assumed that the reason for Jews’ outstanding IQ was genetic. He proposed, in particular, that Jews were historically forced into specific cognitively-demanding professions, such as usury and banking, meaning that less-intelligent Jews tended to drop out of Judaism and marry into the surrounding gentile population. In addition, Lynn argued that the frequent pogroms to which Jews were subject in Eastern Europe would have been “selection events” which would have selected for correlates of IQ such as future-orientation, social skill, planning and simply the wealth needed to escape. Thus, Lynn argued that, even though Jewish IQ was high before the Holocaust, it was probably even higher afterwards.

    Am I the only one who finds this line of reasoning funny?

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  53. @Ron Unz

    Your earlier articles have ensured that the one of Lynn’s books on a high shelf has remained there unread. It does seem likely, however, that you have pointed to parallel Flynn Effects which had a higher starting point for Ashkenazim compared with, for example, the Irish.

    I suppose you mean by “IQist” those who too fervently equate scores on IQ tests with intelligence. Having some very foolish high IQ relations I am more inclined to think an interesting study would be one which attempts systematic analysis of what makes us conclude that some people with (presumably) quite high IQ scores are unintelligent.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  54. @nickels

    Exactly, Einstein was no Newton, Copernicus or Kepler.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  55. Hail says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    even 108 seems like a real stretch [for Ashkenazi-Jewish IQ]

    If so, Jewish success in the USA and elsewhere would tend to rely even more heavily on ethnic nepotism than it already does.

    it must be cultural or socio-economic in origin, hence an example of what I call the “Super-Flynn Effect.”

    I think I could go along with that, but there is always a risk that saying “culture” is as waving a magic wand and making the problem of understanding such a question (as the origins of Jewish success) conceptually vanish.

    As for SES, it doesn’t exclude the IQ argument. Maybe the Jews had a higher genotypic IQ mean, but due to generations on the Shtetl, a lot Jews were way below potential and only displaying European-like IQ-phenotypes; their descendants reached closer to their potential with rising wealth. There is a well-known analogy here with North vs. South Korean heights.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  56. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @nickels

    Yeah teller and oppenhiemer didnt want him to be involved with the manhattan project as they considered him a second rate scientist.

    • Replies: @joeshittheragman
  57. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @nickels

    Bauhaus?

    Thank god somboby pointed out the emperor has no clothes.

  58. Voltaire says:

    Cant be that smart….they still havent figured out Jesus was their messiah.
    As to the Nobel Prise…they gave one to Eli Weisel for god sake!!

    I agree with Ron wealth has a lot to do with it.
    For starters you get to chose a better quality breeding mate.
    You have to be on your toes to keep your family wealth, this will be passed on father to son.
    Just as nessesity is the mother of invention…wealth preservation is the mother of smart!

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  59. Vianney says:
    @HallParvey

    The dismediating news is there is no such category as “white Catholic.”

    Italian Catholics are as different from Irish Catholics and Polish Catholics and German Catholics as Southern Baptists are from Episcopalians.

    Ashkenazi are said to have come from the intermarriage of Jewish men and N Italian women, not Irish or Polish women.

    Ashkenazi Jews in Poland did not even speak Polish much less marry Polish women.

    The tremendous reproductive bubble among E European Jews in late 19th c was seriously inbred and dumb as a box of rocks — “Degenerate,” to use Dr. Nordau’s term.

    If Jews were so smart, why were “6 million Jews” starving to death in Russia in 1903 (??) according to an essay in a Jewish weekly.

    If Jews were so smart, why didn’t Jews establish universities? Instead, Jews gained admission to University at Padua, and literally over-ran universities in Germany and Austria.

    If Jews were so smart, why did Boro Bijan fail?

    One of the Zionist goals of WWII was to cull the herd — like the Levites did at Sinai, and also to eradicate the superior competition — Germans and Italians.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  60. RobRich says: • Website
    @HallParvey

    OP perhaps equivocates. He goes from talking about the tiny subset “Ashkenazi Jews—Jews whose ancestors settled in Eastern Europe—have the highest average IQ of any race in the world, estimated to be about 112…” to ending by generalizing “Evolution has made Jews more intelligent than white people…”

    Uh-huh.

    The average IQ of secular Americans of primarily mixed West Euro race–1/5th each Anglo, CeltIberian, Nordic, Gallo-Italic, and mixture of others such as Blacks, Asians, and Amerinds– is around 120 as far as I can tell, that ‘talented tenth’ much-maligned that drives civilization and being brainwashed into mass hara-kiri. It’s what the De Toqueville noted was what Americans were calling the New American race. It’s what the Libertarians have been saying they’ve been doing all along since the 1600’s, creating a superior race building on what created the previously superior Spanish Hidalgo race, pound for pound smarter, tougher, more commanding, nicer, and stronger than the rest bred as guardians of humanity. It is also an intelligence that builds, as opposed to the more criticizing Ashkenazi intelligence libertarians pre-1600’s helped breed to criticize and pick apart and tear down as ‘West Euro sidekicks’ and which Ashkenazi actually have a lot of genetics from the old Iberian Hidalgo aristocracy. No one wants to look at this, but there it is.

    Jews in general, as any psychologist who measures such things in Israel will tell you, have lower IQ than West Euros in general just as Catholics do–they involve people of all nations, many of whom have low-average IQ’s. I’m also skeptical about how IQ measures have been changed since the ’30’s to increasingly make Ashkenazi look good, and many of their Nobel prizes, sorry, can be criticized as cronyism where the ideas of others are ripped off and repackaged in critical form.

    I’ve traveled widely and talked to a lot of non-US psychologists who think this has all become hopelessly politicized. I’m extremely skeptical when articles like these which announce what may be evidence of SOME Ashkenazi having certain good West Euro genius genes that have little to do with their being Jews descended from Israel 500 BC, concludes that ALL Jews are ‘more intelligent than white people.’

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Ron Unz
  61. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Professional Stranger

    ‘The dropping-out phenomenon: Jewish losers in the U.S. (and that’s about 2 out of every 3) leave the Jewish upper-middle class enclave for the American mainstream and (usually) abandon Judaism for christianity (usually Catholicism for some reason) or Agnosticism. ‘

    2 out of 3? This seems highly unlikely. Do you mean to say that they marry catholic spouses?

  62. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    ‘Take the 2,000-year-old Pantheon’

    Originally a pagan temple dude

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  63. @joeshittheragman

    But at least he was an Einstein. Same goes for a Spinoza or a Mahler. They were great but did not belong to the greatest. That idea has been artificially created by Jewish ethnic activism. I am prepared to accept the same dynamics in the Jewish IQ debate : they are on average more intelligent than Whites, but not that much (say IQ 108 in stead of 115). You will have to be actually intelligent in order to fake higher intelligence than you really have, reason why Blacks can’t do that.

    • Replies: @Vianney
    , @Wally
  64. @Father O'Hara

    “After the holocaust/holohoax???” What makes you think they were ever nice?

  65. When I did go to school there always a few Jews around. Never meet a Jew who was Valedictorian.
    Newer met a Jew who would excel in anything. Most of The Jews wanted to be ambassadors, or lawyers. Some Doctors. Even when you see movies most of the stories written are goyims.
    Still Jews rule Hollywood. Jews are good only to evaluate ideas and adopt Ideas that would make money.
    I have met only some Jewish doctors, who were very conscious and caring, Very good doctors.

  66. WJ says:

    I didnt realize the Jewish Goldie Hahn and William Shatner were not white.

  67. @Bardon Kaldian

    So pogroms and holocausts actually boosted their IQs, according to him anyway, and they pride themselves on their high IQ. Am I getting it so far? So can someone please tell me why the “smarties” are constantly whining about their “victimhood,” which would appear to be beneficial at least for bragging rights, if nothing else?

    And if they’re so smart, why are they so often “victims”?

  68. @Voltaire

    As to the Nobel Prise…they gave one to Eli Weisel for god sake!!

    And O-bomb-a got a “peace” prize. But the Nobel, Poolitzer, etc., are based on “merit.” Uh-huh.

  69. @Lo

    Creating a needless hostility towards Jews, in general, is what senior Zionist Jews and Israel-firsters want.

    Bingo!

  70. Moi says:
    @nickels

    Waiting to read an article here on if and why Africans have big members 🙂

    • Replies: @awry
  71. Moi says:
    @Rational

    If Jews are so smart, how come Leonardo da Vinci is considered to be the greatest genius by many? Unlike Einshtein (sic), da Vinci was a polyglot.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  72. @RobRich

    Jews in general, as any psychologist who measures such things in Israel will tell you, have lower IQ than West Euros in general

    Nonsense. If we are to talk in generalities, West European accomplishment is something relatively new, going back 350 years or so. If there is a regional genius, it definitely is the Mediterranean one, which created most of Western culture in past 2500 years (Greece-Rome-Italy-Spain-…).

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  73. Yes, they sure are smart…Jewish Math: 6-3 = 6

  74. @Jacques Sheete

    The cultivation of their “victimhood” is their group evolutionary strategy as Kevin MacDonald calls it. As “victims” they seem less threatening to their host population, they can claim endless “reparations” and create an artificial taboo to criticize them. Besides, it creates a paranoid fear of the outer world in their own ranks, which prevents assimilation and strengthens ethnic solidarity. Worked for them for 2000 years.

  75. Duplicity is not intelligence.

  76. “Lance Welton” is apparently some sort of parody artist whose aim is to collate and repeat, in the most outlandish manner imaginable, every dumb-fuck thing believed by the HBDosphere in order to reflect its own essential absurdity back at it.

  77. @Gene

    GENE

    Jews are a race. Or rather a hybrid. The Jews we associate with are actually as much (And even more) Italian than Jewish because the European Jews we associate with high IQ are Ashkenazi whose DNA is heavily Italian.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  78. joe2.5 says:

    It’s Official: the definition of “intelligence” and the testing for it have been left to a couple professions where Jews thrive.

  79. @Hail

    1. Counterintuitively, Flynn Effect appears to act uniformly across social classes and groups within a country. Suspect Jews and Gentiles equally depressed relative to potential 100-150 years ago. And shtetls not necessarily concentrations of backwardness and immiseration, relative to European peasant villages – though they would appear that way to Jewish migrants to the cities in early 20th century.
    2. Raw Jewish IQ not very meaningful because of huge discrepancy between verbal component (115?) and visuo-spatial (no better and maybe slightly worse than European).
    3. Verbal IQ more relevant to human accomplishment.
    4. Rise of Jewish accomplishment = function of large segments of Jewry getting urbanized and secularized.
    5. Worthwhile to contrast Israel with South Korea. Israel – got the duller, more ethnonationalist Ashkenazis; diluted with tons of European IQ Sephardim and low IQ Arabs. But its 9 million people generate almost 50% of the elite science that Korea’s 52 million do (https://www.unz.com/akarlin/noosphere/). Why? I think it’s because IQ structure (strongly tilted towards verbal in Jews) and conformism factor (much stronger amongst Mongoloids) matters.

    • Replies: @res
  80. @Anonymous

    139

    Yes, of course they do. Jews in America mostly live on the East Coast around Irish and Italians. They tend to intermarry Irish and Italians more than anyone else.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  81. @Reg Cæsar

    Israelis are but not Ashkenazim.

  82. If polymorphism causes a major increase in intelligence, then presumably Crispr a la the Chinese twins will allow racial intelligence to raised. Should not this begin immediately? Shouldn’t the intense selective pressures caused by putting the nubile young together in Ivy schools, labs, and high-IQ jobs be rapidly having a similar effect to requiring Jews to go into banking?

  83. R.H.Burt says: • Website
    @nickels

    In the book The Bell Curve, buried in a densely written page two thirds through the book, is a very clear sentence that says that the intellectual superiority of the Jews is confined to the verbal component. The nonverbal component of their intellect, which is the source of their verbal expressions, is not superior. Stated simply, they are very skillful in stating their ideas verbally, but the quality of their ideas is not superior. Non-Jewish white Europeans, on the other hand, have good nonverbal ideas but are not as skillful in verbally stating them. Many people mistake speaking well as being smarter generally, but the underlying substance of ideas is what matters, while the ability to speak skillfully, though potentially valuable, is less important.

    • Agree: renfro
  84. anarchyst says:

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”. This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more. As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.
    At the same time, jews pushed the concept of racial “equality”, (but only for gentile whites), backing it up with “civil-rights” and “equal accommodation” laws which are enforced by governments–but only against whites. These “civil-rights” laws are used as a “battering ram” against gentile whites to diffuse and fragment any semblance of gentile white solidarity and cohesiveness that may arise.
    A great reckoning dealing with the jews is coming. As gentile whites become more marginalized, the accusation of being tagged as “racist” or a “holocaust denier” is rapidly losing its “sting”.
    Increasingly, jews are more wary of being “called out” and recognized as “jews”. One can call a jew a shyster, shylock, bankster, criminal or ne-er-do-well, and it will roll off his back like water off a duck, BUT call a jew a “jew”, and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”.

  85. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    Charlemagne the Great invited Jews to Germany in 850 and himself had a
    Jewish physician; they were known for their medical knowledge as well as
    that in trade and finance and were never invited anywhere to be laborers on
    road and aqueduct building projects. Jewish advancement resulted from
    piggybacking on to most of the great empires that swept through Canaan and
    the Mediterranean. Essentially Jews are above average because of their
    immersion into dominant cultures; they themselves never had an empire.
    The King Solomon story is a religious myth with no archeological support.

    BTW, “Ashkenazi Jews—Jews whose ancestors settled in Eastern Europe”
    is a false statement. AJ’s were German speaking, and then moved east.
    All their heroes (Marx, Freud, Einstein) were educated in German universities.

  86. @Thomm

    Jews anti white behavior has lost them the right to claim they are white. No one gets to be a privileged white and a persecuted protected minority at the same time.

  87. anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    An AshkeNAZI “genius” once tried to test me. I ate his “superior jew IQ” with some fava beans, and a nice Chianti.

  88. Whites still produce more than enough high iq people to make Jews useless, and enough people at all groups to fill every niche that a society needs to function, which is why white societies work so well. Whites would be much better off without Jews. Let Jews go build their own society from the ground up, WITHOUT other people’s money, technology, and protection, and then get back to me about how great Jews are.

  89. Wally says:
    @Wally

    Also see comment #8 by Mark Green

  90. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    He specifically mentioned religion and also included agnosticism. I wanted to know why there was a mass Jewish (2 out of 3) silent conversion to mainly catholicism that I had never heard about. I already knew Jews marry east coast catholics.

  91. @Jacques Sheete

    And if they’re so smart, why are they so often “victims”?

    That would be due to their superior ability in the areas of social skills, planning, and future-orientation.

  92. Don’t worry — we pity all you poor, benighted gentiles.

  93. Who cares how smart the jews are? The fact of the matter is no one likes them and no one wants them around.

  94. @Anonymous

    The original idea comes from Newton and Kepler. The jews just put all the pieces together. If the Germans weren’t in the middle of an all out war, they would’ve done it first of course. After all, they were the Germans and we all know how they are about inventing all sorts of things.

  95. @anarchyst

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”. This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture…

    So true, and it’s good to see your relentless efforts to stress this truth, Anarchyst, matching their relentless deception to hide it in order to serve their their destructive intent.

    The resolve demonstrated in such truth telling efforts by loyal Americans like you is why this is also true:

    A great reckoning dealing with the jews is coming. As gentile whites become more marginalized, the accusation of being tagged as “racist” or a “holocaust denier” is rapidly losing its “sting”.

    Just put up a comment on another article here acknowledging the great leadership voices coming out of Detroit last century trying to protect us from the Jews. You are carrying on that standard.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  96. Judaism is a religion. Followers of Judaism are called Jews. Judaism is not a bloodline. Remember when Sammy Davis, Jr. became a Jew to hang with his Jewish buds and Elizabeth Taylor became a Jew to marry Eddie Fisher.
    Also, not all Jews are Zionist or are all Zionists Jews.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  97. Vianney says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Arguing that Jews are smarter than whites is as invalid a comparison as Roses smell sweeter than flowers.

    It doesn’t take an IQ > freezing (H2O)to notice that.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  98. @Professional Stranger

    Informative and helpful comment, thank you.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  99. @Larry Kelley

    LARRY

    I think the Jews we associate with high IQ and verbal dexterity look more like Woody Allen than Ethiopian Jews.

  100. Capn Mike says:

    In 1959, I was placed in the 6th grade “gifted” program (Thanks, Sputnik!!).
    My nickname was “The Gentile”.
    True.

  101. In my opinion Jews appear to be more intelligent than Christian Gentiles, simply because unlike devout and secular Christians, Jewish parents don’t fill their children’s minds with silly superstitions, like virgin birth, and there being an invisible little man reading their minds and watching their every move etc., etc.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  102. @Vianney

    Well, if you will : “Jews are smarter than other Whites, like roses smell sweeter than other flowers”. Fixed it for you.

  103. @Anonymous

    [[Pew survey of U.S. Jews: soaring intermarriage, assimilation rates
    BY URIEL HEILMAN OCTOBER 1, 2013 12:01 AM

    Overall, the intermarriage rate is at 58 percent, up from 43 percent in 1990 and 17 percent in 1970. Among non-Orthodox Jews, the intermarriage rate is 71 percent.

    The data on Jewish engagement come from the Pew Research Center Survey of U.S. Jews, a telephone survey of 3,475 Jews nationwide conducted between February and June and released on Tuesday.]]
    https://www.jta.org/2013/10/01/united-states/pew-survey-u-s-jewish-intermarriage-rate-rises-to-58-percent

    And that was over 5 years ago. The trend has increased since.

    Also remember that the vast majority (90%) of American Jews are non-Orthodox.
    [[In 2013, Pew Research’s Jewish population survey found that 35% of American Jews were Reform, 18% were Conservative, 10% were Orthodox, 6% belonged to other sects, and 30% did not identify with a denomination.]]
    https://www.jta.org/2013/10/01/united-states/pew-survey-u-s-jewish-intermarriage-rate-rises-to-58-percent

    And that was over 5 years ago as well. And that trend has increased since, too.

    And finally: It is true that theoretically at least, intermarriage doesn’t equate to “dropping out”, but in practice almost all intermarriage means dropping out. But not all dropping out is due to intermarriage. Notice the ” 30% did not identify with a denomination” in the second Pew survey quoted above. That means the drop-out rate in higher than the intermarriage rate.

  104. @Bardon Kaldian

    BARDON

    Then why are so many Mediterranean countries backwaters today?

    Even Greece, which had philosophers when Vandals were running through German forests in loincloths, is now a bankrupt impoverished country.

    I don’t disagree with you, of course. Prior to the Renaissance, Northern Europe was the backwater of poverty and stagnation we associate with the Dark Ages.

  105. utu says:

    This article by Welton is the fourth one at UNZ.Com that hypes the para-scientific exercise of Dunkel, Woodley, Pallesen, Kirkegaard. Perviously the meme of Jewish higher IQ based on Dunkel et al. was pushed by Sailer, Thompson and Karlin, iirc. BTW, it is believed that Welton= Kirkegaard.

    The first problem is sampling. N=53 for Jews is very small (SD of the Mean=2.06) while N=4630 sample for Christians might be adequate (SD of the Mean =0.22) but still there is an issue of how representative are these two samples. What about biases like urban/rural, college educated?

    Pretty powerful software that can produce such smooth histograms for N=53 sample:

    These histograms provide only two data points in (IQ,PGS) 2-D space that happen to show what the authors want that the increase of polygenic score means an increase in IQ and that Jews happen to have both the polygenic score and IQ higher in this particular sample. However let’s look at raw data of IQ vs. PGS for 4630+53 data point:

    Clearly you can see that the polygenic score has practically zero predictive power of IQ in the sample. You notice also that that there are 40 Christians (≈1%) who have not lower IQ than the smartest Jew in the sample. What if you made a histograms for IQ and polygenic score for these 40 Christians. I am sure the authors could produce nice and smooth histograms of n=40 sample if they did it for n=53 sample. The mean polygenic score still would be smaller than Jewish polygenic score yet the histogram of IQ would be to the right of Jewish histogram of IQ. We would have two sets of histograms meaning that we would have two points on the (IQ, PGS) plane but this time the straight line you could draw through the points would have a slightly negative slope.

    Kirkegaard state in his twit:“polygenic scores for IQ/edu seem to mediate 50% of the Jewish advantage in IQ (10 IQ).” Why does he use the vague term mediate? Because he can’t even speak of correlation as he has only two data points and obviously he can’t speak of causation. The polygenic score (PGS) he uses is pretty much useless for predicting IQ within the sample of 4630+53.

    JUNK SCIENCE! ONE MAY WONDER WHY THIS JUNK IS BEING REPEATEDLY PROMOTED HERE.

  106. It’s real simple. The Romans killed all the dumb ones back in 66-70. The smart ones got out of Jerusalem before the shit hit the fan. The dumb ones, having foolishly started the war, decided to stay and fight: a rabble against well trained, well armed, well led and bloodthirsty Romans. Read Josephus if you don’t believe me.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  107. One Tribe says:

    Please describe in measurable genetic-level terms what your definition of ‘race’ is?

    Please note if your measurable definition attempts to account for ‘persistence’ across 3+ generations, or not.

  108. @Professional Stranger

    [[In 2013, Pew Research’s Jewish population survey found that 35% of American Jews were Reform, 18% were Conservative, 10% were Orthodox, 6% belonged to other sects, and 30% did not identify with a denomination.]]

    … The link for that quote should be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

  109. @jeff stryker

    Everything in life has it up & down cycles.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  110. j2 says:
    @utu

    I fully agree with you, utu.

    Consider this, in Dunkin et al paper the prediction sample included American Jews and American White non-Jews. A predictor, like PGS, is a function that maps the input data, in this case a set of SNPs into output data, in this case educational achievement score. The prediction stage sets the weights (a subset of reals, can be reals, integers, signed binaries, unsigned binaries) to give a minimal prediction error for the prediction sample. Taking subpopulation averages of PGS and educational achievement gives exactly the same result as if you do prediction with a prediction sample where each individual belonging to a subpopulation has the educational achievement score which equals the subpopulation average score. From this you immediately understand that the PGS predictor only matches an individual’s SNPs to the best matching subpopulation and gives as the predictor of the educational achievement the average educational achievement score of the subpopulation.

    What this means is that one predictor of educational achievement (subpopulation average PGS) is plotted against another predictor of educational achievement (subpopulation average IQ). This plot MUST be rather straight for data points that correspond to subpopulations in the prediction sample. And then you see Dunkel et al plotting American Jews against the American White non-Jews, both were in the prediction sample. Dunkel et al has no result at all: the construction of the PGS guarantees that as the Jewish IQ is (because of a small sample) obtained as a higher value than for other Whites, the PGS score MUST give the same result, because of a mathematical identity: when building the PGS, Lee et al put the weights so that this must be true.

    The PGS is not a measure of a genotype though it has SNPs. It gets its numeric value from the educational achievement scores. This is not plotting genotype against phenotype. This is plotting two predictors of phenotype against each other in a sample that is sure to give the intended result.

    So, this is the great research result. It is a known error to do as Dunkel et al did, thus it must be an intentional error, just to “prove” the myth of high genetic Jewish intelligence.

  111. awry says:
    @Moi

    Waiting to read an article here on if and why Africans have big members 🙂

    Higher testosterone levels probably. It seems that civilization reduces the average testosterone level in males and groups that were civilized (living in an agricultural society with patriarchy and enforced monogamy) for a longer time hence tend to have smaller “members”. East Asians and Indians are on the low end, Europeans in the middle. But that’s the average, plenty of white guys possess spectacular members too (based on porn), but the average seems a lil smaller and the standard deviation a bit greater than in the case of blacks. 🙂

  112. utu says:
    @Professional Stranger

    It is true that theoretically at least, intermarriage doesn’t equate to “dropping out”, but in practice almost all intermarriage means dropping out.

    I do not think so. Intermarriage is part of the dropping-in phenomenon. The non-Jewish spouses are likely to adopt the identity of being Jewish and their children most likely will proclaim being Jewish (Amy Chua’s daughters are being raised Jewish). The reasons for it are obvious. Jews do not seek assimilation because of anti-Semitism which does not exist any more but gentiles are keen to gain extra Pokemon points offered by Jewish identity and escape the gentile/white negative Pokemon points.

  113. @Haxo Angmark

    The Germans were well ahead in developing nuclear weapons. Werner Heisenberg met Niels Bohr in the mid 1930s to enlist his help in speaking out against developing nuclear weapons. (((Bohr))) took information from Heisenberg and passed it on. Heisenberg had been slow walking the project in Germany.

    As for Einstein, when asked what it was like to be the smartest person in the world, he replied, ‘I don’t know, ask Tesla’. Tesla has written a poem about Einstein:
    https://genius.com/Tesla-nikola-fragments-of-olympian-gossip-lyrics

  114. elias says:

    “Lance Welton [Email him] is the pen name of a freelance journalist living in New York.”

    Heheh, I wonder what “racial group” “Lance Welton” belongs to.

    Catholics and Lutherans my arse.

  115. @Carroll Price

    Jews have quite a few stupid beliefs of their own that require ignoring reality, and their religious beliefs are often nuts. The Holocaust cult is pretty crazy, and elevates Nazi leaders into supernatural figures of evil. Is the virgin birth really any crazier than the Jewish claims of origin? Individual Jews would likely be well served to believe that God is constantly watching and judging them.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    , @HallParvey
  116. @utu

    BTW, it is believed that Welton= Kirkegaard.

    Good to see that RationalWiki is now an authority for you.

    N=53 for Jews is very small (SD of the Mean=2.06) while N=4630 sample for Christians might be adequate (SD of the Mean =0.22) but still there is an issue of how representative are these two samples.

    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=7680

    • Replies: @utu
  117. res says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    1. Counterintuitively, Flynn Effect appears to act uniformly across social classes and groups within a country.

    Do you have a reference for this? I am more used to the idea that the Flynn Effect varies across the IQ range. For example:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#Rise_in_IQ

    Some studies have found the gains of the Flynn effect to be particularly concentrated at the lower end of the distribution. Teasdale and Owen (1989), for example, found the effect primarily reduced the number of low-end scores, resulting in an increased number of moderately high scores, with no increase in very high scores.[15] In another study, two large samples of Spanish children were assessed with a 30-year gap. Comparison of the IQ distributions indicated that the mean IQ scores on the test had increased by 9.7 points (the Flynn effect), the gains were concentrated in the lower half of the distribution and negligible in the top half, and the gains gradually decreased as the IQ of the individuals increased.[16] Some studies have found a reverse Flynn effect with declining scores for those with high IQ.[17][13]

  118. Ron Unz says:
    @RobRich

    He goes from talking about the tiny subset “Ashkenazi Jews—Jews whose ancestors settled in Eastern Europe—have the highest average IQ of any race in the world, estimated to be about 112…” to ending by generalizing “Evolution has made Jews more intelligent than white people…”

    As I already emphasized upthread, this claim that the Jewish IQ is 112 seems to be absolutely contradicted by the statistics contained in the very source cited, namely Richard Lynn’s book.

    Given this very strange situation, one possibility is that the writer is simply blind or on LSD. However, I suspect that an unstated political/ideological factor is primarily responsible.

    In recent years, IQists have been a small and heavily persecuted academic sect, while Jewish groups wield enormous power in Western society, with many Jews being among the leading persecutors.

    It seems to me that members of a group facing such difficult circumstances might engage in enormous, unjustified flattery of the powerful, hoping to possibly win a few of them over as supporters or at least diminish the degree of persecution. During the Stalin Era, many leading figures in the arts and sciences were packed off to the Gulag, and I’d think that at least some of these individuals produced statements proclaiming Stalin’s unmatched genius and utter brilliance in all fields.

    At least that’s my own suspicion of what’s probably going on…

    • Agree: utu
  119. buzzwar says:
    @Anonymous

    And the Spanish Colonial style is one of the best, with the elegant, arched doorways and the stucco“. The spanish colonial style has a name: Moorish architecture.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  120. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Professional Stranger

    Read your first comment again:

    ‘‘The dropping-out phenomenon: Jewish losers in the U.S. (and that’s about 2 out of every 3) leave the Jewish upper-middle class enclave for the American mainstream and (usually) abandon Judaism for christianity (usually Catholicism for some reason) or Agnosticism. ‘’

    Terribly sorry but your comment makes it seem that Jews who ‘drop out’ literally convert to christianity. Of course this is not the case and your reply makes it seem like you conflate inter-marriage with choosing another religion. This is not the case. The churches are not filled with half (ethnically Jewish) catholics. Generally speaking Jews tend to be atheists (somthing like fully 60 percent of Israelis are atheists-note atheists not agnostics as in your comment above) and the children are raised as atheist. The fact that Jews marry non Jewish partbers and have children that would not be considered Jews by more religiously Jewish sects does not negate their half ethnically Jewish identity which often takes precedence over their european side. See for example the poster here Lot who is always in a half deranged mood defending the Jews.

    I cannot tell if you were deliberately being dishonest or perhaps your comment was worded badly.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  121. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    ‘Prior to the Renaissance, Northern Europe was the backwater of poverty and stagnation we associate with the Dark Ages.’

    Oh yeah defo.

    Ask Julius Ceaser who started a war with Gual so he could use thier gold to prop up the bankrupt Roman empire. Loincloths indeed.

  122. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles_Martel

    ‘The smart ones got out of Jerusalem before the shit hit the fan. ‘

    E michael Jones says that talmudic Judaism started when a rabbi was spirited out of Jerusalem during the Bar kochba revolt.

  123. Jews are not a race.

    Brendon O’Connell was charged for “racial vilification” in Perth, Western Australia and he cross examined an Orthodox Rabbi, Dovid Frielich on video link from the Israeli Supreme Court Building on Jews and race. Dovid Frielich said Jews were a “race” and there is a “bloodline” and being Jewish has a “racial component”. However, when asked by the defendant, Brendon O’Connell to explain how Jews are connected biologically outside of religion, the Orthodox Rabbi always returned to religion.

    This English speaking Orthodox Rabbi from Australia also says he doesn’t know who the Anti-Defamation League is nor who David Duke is, when he was being cross examined. Why does no one want to talk about this? Brendon O’Connell was sentenced to two years in prison for “racial vilification” even though this Orthodox Rabbi could not back up his biological claim without returning to religion.

    Nobody wants to touch this court case’s implications for Jews. Michael A. Hoffman II, David Duke, everyone in the revisionist movement. Absolutely nobody will analyze the court transcript and the audio, which Brendon O’Connell will give them for free.

    You can contact Brendon at: [email protected]

    The BIGGEST TRIAL in 2,000 years & NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgzGCHMzZ6A

  124. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Thank you for the link:

    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=7680

    The gist of Kirkegaard’s defense is that other people published junk. Which is a legitimate point that his junk is not worse than somebody else’s junk. This does not change the fact that what he published is junk.

    • Replies: @niteranger
  125. @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes, that is the idea of Spengler, and most probably right.

  126. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    Haha, you don’t even understand the very basics of how IQ scores work with your “My IQ is 214” claim.

    The studies showing Jewish IQ of 100 from the Ellis Island area were mostly on recent Russian immigrants. And they still did about as well as native whites.

    In many of those same studies, the Italian immigrants were getting 10+ lower than native whites.

    If being an ESL huddled masser depresses IQ by 10 points, they point to Jewish IQ being… 110 or so.

    By the 1920s, more than 90% of the very high IQ people in the Stanford-Binet study of top NYC students were Jewish.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  127. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Well, glancing over this article, I’m really pretty skeptical of the analysis being presented. Indeed, the data provided in the Richard Lynn book cited would actually suggest an entirely different conclusion.”

    You don’t even understand the article. The point isn’t to estimate Jewish IQ at all.

    • Replies: @Vianney
    , @Svigor
  128. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    It seems to me that members of a group facing such difficult circumstances might engage in enormous, unjustified flattery of the powerful, hoping to possibly win a few of them over as supporters or at least diminish the degree of persecution.

    Exactly! We would understand the mechanism better more if we knew the sources of funding of this “small and heavily persecuted academic sect.”

  129. @res

    This seems to be an explanation for what the “Flynn effect” really is : better environment for the lower classes in terms of housing, food, medicine and education, which allowed them to express their true potential, which didn’t happen with the higher classes because they already had a better environment and thus had already reached their true potential. With the further development of the Third World, we will see there too that magical “Flynn effect” at work.

  130. Vianney says:

    Arguably, roses do not smell sweeter than jasmine, but may be thought sweeter than skunkweed. “Roses are sweeter than other flowers” is ambiguous at best.

    IQ of Israel, “the Jewish state,” is 95, higher than Ireland (93) but lower than Italy (102).
    But the author further isolated Jewish IQ to Ashkenazi IQ. If Italian IQ isolated Northern from Southern, or Rome from Sicily, the data might be far different, and a more apt , subgroup-to-subgroup, comparison.

    Inserting a modifier does nothing to change the error of comparing a specific group to a collective of groups.

    • Replies: @Lot
  131. j2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    “It seems to me that members of a group facing such difficult circumstances might engage in enormous, unjustified flattery of the powerful, hoping to possibly win a few of them over as supporters or at least diminish the degree of persecution.”

    It happens in science, quite possible here. Do the opposite, oppose the powerful and you will not publish for a long time.

  132. Lot says:
    @Ron Unz

    “In recent years, IQists have been a small and heavily persecuted academic sect, while Jewish groups wield enormous power in Western society, with many Jews being among the leading persecutors.

    It seems to me that members of a group facing such difficult circumstances might engage in enormous, unjustified flattery of the powerful, hoping to possibly win a few of them over as supporters or at least diminish the degree of persecution.”

    1. High AJ IQ has been reported for 100 years, long before the PC purges started.

    2. Plenty of the IQ researchers are securely tenured and have never cared about leftwing attacks.

    3. Dunkel, who is young and untenured, would have a much stronger incentive to flatter Jews under your theory than someone like Greg Cochran. Yet he just published a “Maybe KMac is right” article!

  133. Lot says:
    @Father O'Hara

    “Jews got smarter after the holocaust.”

    Probably a little bit given the IQs of those who successfully fled/hid versus those that were killed. A lot of Brits believe WWI was the opposite and disproportionately killed the best of their race.

    I ran the numbers a while ago, and concluded the effect of mass killing nonrandom subsets of a population don’t effect genotypic IQ all that much.

  134. @utu

    Absolutely Correct! May be the Magics Jews are sponsoring this stuff? Of course, they would never do that–right! It will be interesting to see how many Jewish sites, journalists, and other reprobates from the tribe promote this.

  135. @j2

    A well done analysis. You should post the entire piece at Unz. Very impressive analysis without bias.

  136. druid55 says:
    @anarchyst

    If this high IQ is true, so much of it is directed to nefarious activities. I would rather a little less IQ and more humanity and honesty

  137. @utu

    Absolutely correct. His analysis is another circular argument. Why not post studies with large sample sizes and see how they compare? As Taleb and others have stated Social Science is not Science.

  138. FvS says:

    The Jew
    – Very intelligent
    – Highly ethnocentric; racial supremacists
    – Masters of nepotism, deception, and playing the victim
    – Holy books are a guide for world domination
    – Probably created Christianity to enslave the goyim whom they see as cattle
    – Fanatical fear and hatred of white goyim
    – Pretends to be white in order to manipulate
    – Born with a love of money which is then cultivated by parents
    – Will pursue material success with unbridled zeal
    – Gynocentric
    – Detest manual labor
    – Hate nature and the natural order
    – Hate traditional standards of beauty
    – Tend to be unathletic and physically weak
    – Prone to mental illness
    – Notorious lechers
    – Ritually mutilate male babies

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  139. This article has more holes in it than the proverbial Swiss cheese. It is propaganda disguised as a scientific study. An argument that has more in common with the argument of divine right as (((they))) strive to convince others why they have and should have a disproportionate control of areas like the media, law, and banking system. As the rest of us sees their method of insinuation into these areas for what it is, corruption and tribal favoritism, they pretend that it is their god given superiority that has lead them: “God has chosen us, therefore you must obey.”

    To compare jews to Catholics? Are you serious? Catholics cover various continents. They are not exactly a homogeneous group.

    Scientific article, try specious article.

  140. elias says:
    @Ron Unz

    At least that’s my own suspicion of what’s probably going on…

    IQists attempting to curry favor sounds reasonable but maybe the author is simply Jewish.

  141. I do not believe they have higher intelligence.

    They are ruthless and they use cohesive group strategies, ingroup preference, while at the same time they refuse to allow whites to do the same.

    There are far more high IQ whites than high IQ jews.

    Because of jews, whites face massive discrimination, demonization, atomization, demoralization.

    Truly, the jews are our misfortune.

  142. Mulegino1 says:

    Most of it is indeed directed to nefarious activities, which have gained praiseworthiness in contemporary civilization, i,e, the age of money and degraded mass entertainment. The kosher Dumbmerican mindset has celebrated “Jewish success” as evidence of Jewish genius, but this is little different than praising a narcotics kingpin for his organizational skills, or a Ponzi scheme operator for his ability to lie himself into a fortune at the expense of others.

    True intelligence is evinced not by cheap success and publicity but by a love of beauty, closeness to nature, true spirituality, productive industry and moral courage. It is grounded in the order of the universe and the Divine Logos. The Jews as a collective are far from any of this. They have an affinity for pavement, noise, corruption, disorder, social climbing and litigiousness. Contemporary Hollywood and the entertainment industry are a good example of this- a purveyor of everything opposed to order and beauty, dominated by Jews who care nothing about those qualities of nature. Instead, they are all about drowning the” ceremony of innocence” as Yeats put it, in a sea of counter-cultural sewage and expecting the homage of the nations for doing so.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  143. @FvS

    “…Hate nature and the natural order…”

    Yep, that is what E. Michael Jones calls their “rejection of Logos”.

  144. @Anonymous

    ‘‘The dropping-out phenomenon: Jewish losers in the U.S. (and that’s about 2 out of every 3) leave the Jewish upper-middle class enclave for the American mainstream
    and (usually) abandon Judaism for
    (A) christianity (usually Catholicism for some reason)
    or
    (B) Agnosticism. ‘’

    Anon: I cannot tell if
    (1) you were deliberately being dishonest or perhaps
    (2) your comment was worded badly.

    Stranger: This is an example of the bifurcation or black-and-white logical fallacy where just 2 options are presented, when more exist. In this case..
    (3) you read read it wrong.

    Both the options you presented make your stupidity my fault, when I had nothing to do with it.
    __________________________________________
    “The Jews” are a nation, and Judaism is the national religion.
    “Nation” is not the same as “country”. A nation is a big social group, and a country is land possessed by a nation. Members of nations that possess a country, find it hard to make a distinction between “nation” and “country”. However there exist stateless nations, notably the Jews(until 1948) and the Gypsies. Members of stateless nations understand the difference between “nation” and “country”.

    Nation-binding forces include: common national religion, common possession of a country, common language, common customs, common history, common race, and more, making about 10 possible common qualities.

    A common national religion is especially important for a STATELESS nation, who have no “common possession of a country” to bind them. But when a stateless nation acquires a country, the national-religion immediately becomes less important. The Jews and Israel, for example. More than half Israeli Jews are secular, in the Diaspora it’s less than half.

    Outside Israel (the Diaspora), Jews who abandon the national religion soon abandon the nation. And that’s what we mean by dropping out.

    But it’s hard to measure. Intermarriage is measurable and there is pretty good correlation. Intermarriage -> abandon the national religion for another religion or no religion -> breaks the main nation-binding force.

    Abandoning the national religion for any reason is enough. It doesn’t have to be because of intermarriage, or for another religion.

    While on the topic of “another religion”, notice:
    [[The American Jewish fascination with Buddhism – Since the end of WWII, a large number of American Jews have been attracted to the Buddhist tradition. While only 2% of the American population are Jews, at least 1/3 of American Buddhists are Jewish [nationals] by birth.]] http://www.rk-world.org/dharmaworld/dw_2007jmmountsinai.aspx
    — NOTE: In US, Buddhists are about 0.7% of population, Jews 2%. So if 1 in 3 Buddhists are Jews. then in the US about 1 in 8 Jews are Buddhists.
    (Buddhists 7 in 1000, Buddhists who are Jews 2.3 in a 1000, Jews 20 in 1000.)

    Of course many Jews practice Buddhism, while still practicing Judaism. But many don’t. Either way it’s usually the thin end of the wedge that first weakens the nation-binding national-religion, then severs it.

    Intermarriage is just an easily measurable example.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  145. Art says:

    Jews have a very low moral quotient (MQ) – they score extremely low in empathy and honesty.

    When you average their IQ and MQ – they still come out in the bottom rung of humanity.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. I still believe that the aggressive Jew culture plays a large role in their academic success. Language is a large part of IQ testing. Language is a derivative of culture.

    p.s. Speaking is a native skill of the mind. Jews are very good at speaking.

    p.s. Also believe that Ashkenazi are anything but a pure genetic culture. They do a lot of outbreeding – they marry into to the upper end of white culture.

    • Replies: @Lot
  146. Let us assume that the Jews are more clever than the Gentiles, then the question I have is :
    how are they using this plus ?

    Are they helping humanity on the road to enlightment or are they taking advantage of this plus to abuse the Gentiles and enslave them ?

  147. Anonymous[794] • Disclaimer says:
    @buzzwar

    And moorish architecture was copied from Whites. The moors who invaded Spain were nomads and did not even settle down for 40 years after the conquest untill a ruler made them. The cities they built were built with recycled visigoth materials and plans. The moorish arch is just a copied Roman arch.

    Every seen saudi arabia’s wonderful architecture?

    Thought not.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    , @anon
  148. Vianney says:
    @Lot

    “Italian immigrant +10 lower than “native whites” [that useless term again, co founded: natives are not generally thought of as whites].

    “Whites” is useless because different ethnics, and different categories within an ethnic, migrated for different reasons.
    Relatively few Northern Italians — more educated urban, economically secure, presumably better fed & higher IQ, migrated — they had no need.
    Southern, agrarian, peasant, and uneducated Italians predominated. They migrated out of desperation. Owners of small village farms that could no longer compete with mechanized US farm exports ended up digging ditches.

    Your argument fails in that it compares rotten apples to “fruit.”

    • Replies: @Lot
  149. Anonymous[794] • Disclaimer says:
    @Professional Stranger

    Oh I get it now you really were just bullshitting. By the way a big tip off that you do not know what you are talking about is that you accuse me of what I levelled at you in such a hysterical way as well. Look at how polite my post was compared to yours.

    How pathetic.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  150. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Retired professor in the sciences (biochemistry) here. I had Jewish (American Ashkenazi) mentors both as an undergraduate and a graduate student at prestigious flagship Midwestern universities and old high WASP mentors at two even more renowned California schools. Though the WASP profs had won more laurels and occupied positions of much greater authority within academia than the Jews, the Hebes were more interactive on a personal level and had much more valuable advice for getting ahead in a tenure track career than the system presidents, provosts and national academy members. At least in terms of managing immediate underlings, they seemed to have a higher “social IQ.” Perhaps having to manage an entire organization detracts from expressing such skills. One of the “white man’s burden,” some will say. They all wanted the same thing in the end, really: pubs and grants so they could get tenure, pay raises and promotions, but the Jews made it seem like you were doing them a personal favor by helping them accomplish these goals, which you could later imitate to your own advantage. The WASPs were more aloof. You’d have to learn from them by observation, not receiving homilies. BTW, I’m not Jewish, but from ethnic groups that reputedly don’t cotton to Jews (debatable), viz., German/Kashubian with dollops of Scandinavian and British DNA.

  151. @OilcanFloyd

    A vast majority of Jews are atheist or secular Jews, who nonetheless teach their children that they are spiritually and morally superior to Gentiles who are considered to be on the same level as animals to be taken advantage of when financially (or otherwise) convenient to do so.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  152. @utu

    That table is for US Jews.
    This one is for Israel. Same source (Lynn). Big difference
    http://www.unz.com/book/richard_lynn__the-chosen-people/#intelligence-of-jews-and-arabs1

    Table 11.2 IQs of Oriental and European Jewish children
    Age Test European N Oriental N Oriental IQ Reference
    1 5 WISC: FS 75 138 84 Smilansky, 1957
    2 5 WISC:Verb 75 138 84 Smilansky, 1957
    3 5 WISC:Perf 75 138 86 Smilansky, 1957
    4 3-6 Milta-verbal 115 195 91 Ortar et al., 1966
    5 3-6 Milta-Non verbal 115 195 94 Ortar et al., 1966
    6 4-6 WPPSI IQ 186 443 87 Leiblich et al., 1972
    7 9 WISC:Verb 41 41 84 Gill, 1974
    8 4 Stanford-Binet 187 450 84 Smilansky et al., 1976
    9 6-16 WISC 363 715 85 Gafni, 1978
    10 5 WPPSI IQ 36 27 90 Gross, 1978

    The table is misaligned, the IQs are in bold.

    See my Comment 36, for a discussion on why the difference.

  153. @Anonymous

    Stranger: “The Jews” are a nation, and Judaism is the national religion.
    “Nation” is not the same as “country”. A nation is a big social group, and a country is land possessed by a nation. Members of nations that possess a country, find it hard to make a distinction between “nation” and “country”. However there exist stateless nations, notably the Jews(until 1948) and the Gypsies. Members of stateless nations understand the difference between “nation” and “country”.

    Nation-binding forces include: common national religion, common possession of a country, common language, common customs, common history, common race, and more, making about 10 possible common qualities.

    A common national religion is especially important for a STATELESS nation, who have no “common possession of a country” to bind them. But when a stateless nation acquires a country, the national-religion immediately becomes less important. The Jews and Israel, for example. More than half Israeli Jews are secular, in the Diaspora it’s less than half.

    Outside Israel (the Diaspora), Jews who abandon the national religion soon abandon the nation. And that’s what we mean by dropping out.

    But it’s hard to measure. Intermarriage is measurable and there is pretty good correlation. Intermarriage -> abandon the national religion for another religion or no religion -> breaks the main nation-binding force.

    Abandoning the national religion for any reason is enough. It doesn’t have to be because of intermarriage, or for another religion.

    While on the topic of “another religion”, notice:
    [[The American Jewish fascination with Buddhism – Since the end of WWII, a large number of American Jews have been attracted to the Buddhist tradition. While only 2% of the American population are Jews, at least 1/3 of American Buddhists are Jewish [nationals] by birth.]] http://www.rk-world.org/dharmaworld/dw_2007jmmountsinai.aspx
    — NOTE: In US, Buddhists are about 0.7% of population, Jews 2%. So if 1 in 3 Buddhists are Jews. then in the US about 1 in 8 Jews are Buddhists.
    (Buddhists 7 in 1000, Buddhists who are Jews 2.3 in a 1000, Jews 20 in 1000.)

    Of course many Jews practice Buddhism, while still practicing Judaism. But many don’t. Either way it’s usually the thin end of the wedge that first weakens the nation-binding national-religion, then severs it.

    Intermarriage is just an easily measurable example.

    Anon: you really were just bullshitting

    Stranger: Ad-hominem nonsense. Attacks the man not his argument. If you disagree with something I said, try to say what it was and why you disagree.

  154. @Professional Stranger

    — NOTE: In US, Buddhists are about 0.7% of population, Jews 2%. So if 1 in 3 Buddhists are Jews. then in the US about 1 in 8 Jews are Buddhists.
    (Buddhists 7 in 1000, Buddhists who are Jews 2.3 in a 1000, Jews 20 in 1000.)

    I don’t think you are right in this respect (in many others, yes). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_Buddhism

    More than 30% of non-Asian Buddhists are Jews – and many have become leaders in the spiritual movement. [May 29, 2010: The latest Pew Forum research shows that this number is highly suspect. The real number is probably no more than 6%.]

    Many US Jews who are tired of Judaism (any variant) practice some sort of meditation & that’s as far as their involvement with “Buddhism” goes. As far as I can tell, non-Judaist Jews in the US who are not satisfied with atheism/materialism, turn to New Age practices & spiritually oriented philosophies & world-views (transpersonal psychologies, Jungian archetypal psychology, Assagioli’s psychosynthesis, NDE studies….).

  155. @Anonymous

    Anonymous[124]—Thank you very much. Chapter 6, pp215-6, of Kevin MacDonald’s The Culture of Critique offers further evidence of that ‘higher “social IQ”’:

    ‘Jewish associational patterns in science go well beyond the cohesive intellectual movements discussed here. Recently Greenwald and Schuh (1994) demonstrated a pattern of ethnic discrimination in scientific citations whereby Jewish authors were 40 percent more likely to cite Jewish authors than were non-Jewish authors.’

    Greenwald, A. G., & Schuh, E. S. (1994). An ethnic bias in scientific citations. European Journal of Social Psychology 24:623-639

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  156. WHY??? JEWS never built an empire like Rome, developed philosophy, drama, music like the Greeks, Muslims, produce a Shakespeare, a Marlon Brando, a Henry Ford, invented aviation, auto/industrial manufacturing, settled the West, created an Oxford, Harvard, a world wide corporation like Apple, Rap Music, Jazz, Leonardo Davince, why??? they have excelled in APPROPRIATING such enterprises through FINANCIAL schemes (illegal), they had been involved in provoking WARS, slavery, depressions, hunger, pandemics, confiscating private wealth (usury) OK YOU are a jew with a stratospheric IQ…so you have authority to robe, rape, murder, steal, cheat, perversity, enslave, kill the NON jews…because you are the “chosen” people …I say FUCK YOU and your HIGH fucking IQ…

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  157. Lot says:
    @Vianney

    My comment was not in any way a disparagement of Italian immigrants. I stated the results of their IQ testing back then (quite low), and implied it was depressed by about 10 points because they were poor migrants.

  158. AaronB says:
    @Ron Unz

    I have a different explanation.

    I think it is a species of leftist self-hate.

    Leftist white intellectuals hate whites for moralistic reasons, and HBD supposedly pro-white intellectuals go out of their way to distort the data and portray whites as inferior to Jews and Asians.

    Its just another version of leftist self hate. The entire white intellectual class has defected in one way or another.

    To the Left, blacks and browns are superior to whites. To the HBD Right, Jews and Asians are.

    Poor whites! Literally their entire intellectual class has defected, and Jews like Ron Unz has to defend them.

  159. @nickels

    I remember a movie I watched when I was about 15yrs old (Dostoyetsky?). It was about this young man with an exeptional IQ whom had always lived under the shadow of his father. In spite of his achievements he (the son) had been unable to surpass his fathers fame and social respect. So he thought of a way to become more famous than his father…HE planned the perfect crime , he rapes and murders his university pupil that idolizes him. Should high IQ be for the benefit of Humanity? if NOT what good is it??? … IF a JEW with a proven Olympic galactic IQ comes to my home (country) and proceeds to steal my property, murder my children, steal my land, rape my wife, poison my cattle, my water, force my children into perversion should I let him just because he is a JEW with a high IQ,??? and HE claims to have an old ancient book written by another jew that says they are the chosen people and that god spoke!! to them??? and gave them such authority to carry out EVIL(Ungodly) deeds with all impunity??? ..and if I refuse I am an anti-Semite..!!!! well maybe this is the time for the ultimate test your high IQ vrs my Colt 45…

  160. @OilcanFloyd

    Jews have an ironclad contract with God. The sacred Covenant. He of the burning bush. Creator of the known universe.

    God has committed himself to look out for his chosen people. To make sure they are protected. And that they are successful in life. Especially monetarily.

    All of that is written down somewhere and signed by God. On a stone tablet. Somewhere.

    Any time this does not happen it is because they have disobeyed God, as instructed by their leaders.

  161. @jeff stryker

    Would that be Julius Caesar, the Batavi?

  162. @Ron Unz

    I recall reading, in the not too distant past, that Askenazim are virtually all related at the 7th cousin level. If true, then that partially helps explain the IQ as well as the behavioral aspects.
    I recent genetic study in Iceland, which has a much smaller population, has found that virtually all Icelanders are related to one another, at some level. Until relatively recently, it was a very homogeneous society.
    Iceland consistently punches above its weight in many areas, including technology, where they went large scale geothermal more than 70 years ago.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Carroll Price
  163. Ron Unz says:
    @Lot

    GSS understates AJ IQ because of low ceiling and not excluding non-ANs who identify as Jewish.

    Correct for this and you end up with about 111, in line with other studies.

    Actually, given the remarkably ignorant and dim-witted remarks of this “Lot” character, I think I’ll take a liberty of quoting a lengthy comment of mine from a day or two ago on a different thread:

    …a very interesting and substantive point that I first started noticing perhaps 15-odd years ago…

    I’d long been a very avid reader of TNR, the NYT and WSJ op-ed pages, and numerous other mainstream publications of the Left and Right, and all these venues were very heavily Jewish in their writers and editors, perhaps 50% or more. Therefore, I had quite naturally developed an extremely high opinion of Jewish opinion writing and knowledge, which certainly seemed plausible given the (probably quite exaggerated) figures for Jewish Verbal IQ I’d always seen floating around.

    But once the Internet came along, I noticed that on many of the websites I frequented, most of the (identified) Jewish commenters seemed remarkably unimpressive relative to the (identified) non-Jewish ones.

    Now admittedly some of these websites were “rightwing extremist,” and since the overwhelming majority of politically-active Jews are mainstream-liberal, you wouldn’t expect to see too many of them there. But one of the main places I used to hang out was Matt Yglesias’s old blogsite, which was very much mainstream-liberal and exactly the sort of high-end place you’d expect to find so many of the smartest, most politically-active Jews. But almost none of the ones around there came across as particularly smart, which seemed rather odd to me. The entirely level playing field of the commenting on a website apparently produced results vastly different than I would have expected.

    Obviously, the sample size was too small to render any conclusive judgments. But I gradually began to wonder whether the enormous super-abundance of Jews in all prestigious opinion journalism might be due to some factor other than merely writing skills and knowledge. A few years later, I published my big Meritocracy article that rigorously quantified a gigantic similar discrepancy in admissions to America’s most elite colleges.

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-war-criminals-in-their-own-words/#comment-3238409

    • Replies: @niteranger
    , @renfro
    , @Svigor
  164. conatus says:

    Jewish people are smarter but aren’t there a lot fewer of them compared to the knuckle dragging Goyim? Isn’t their Bell Curve many times smaller, hence at the tails there are more Goys?

    from here:
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2009/04/18/macdonald-gottfried/

    In fact, if we take an IQ of 145 as a cutoff for genius and assume that Jews were around 3.4% of the White US population in 1950, there were nearly 4 times more non-Jewish White geniuses in the US than Jewish geniuses. If we use 130 as a benchmark for at least vastly easing the path to upward mobility, there were over 6 times more non-Jewish Whites in this category than Jews. And there would have been a much greater disparity in England where Jews were less than 1% of the population.

    Europeans certainly do not need Jews to develop or maintain their civilization.The successful erection of the culture of critique is much more about ethnic networking and dominating key points in the cultural food chain — especially elite academic institutions and the media — than it is about IQ.

    For example, even correcting for IQ, Jews are massively overrepresented at Ivy League universities compared to Whites. In 1998, Jews represented around 25–33% of Harvard undergraduates compared to around 25% non-Jewish Whites. In 2000 the Jewish population was around 3% of the non-Hispanic White population. On the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio was at most 1 to 1. But even this may underestimate the gap because it’s hard to believe that all Harvard students have at least an IQ of 130. Could it be that that Jared Kushner’s route to Harvard is not at all unusual for Jews these days?

    • Replies: @Ancient Harvard Alum
  165. conatus says:

    Discussing Richard Lynn the article says:

    “He proposed, in particular, that Jews were historically forced into specific cognitively-demanding professions, such as usury and banking, meaning that less-intelligent Jews tended to drop out of Judaism and marry into the surrounding gentile population.”

    Botticini and Eckstein disagree, they were not ‘forced’

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/the-chosen-few-a-new-explanation-of-jewish-success

    “How did this affect world Jewry? Between 750 and 900, almost all the Jews in Mesopotamia and Persia — nearly 75 percent of the world’s remaining 1.2 million Jews — left agriculture, moved to the cities and towns of the newly established Abbasid Empire, and entered myriad skilled occupations that provided higher earnings than as farmers. Agriculture, the typical occupation of the Jewish people in the days of Josephus in the first century, was no longer their typical occupation seven to eight centuries later.

    This occupational transition occurred at a time in which there were no legal restrictions on Jewish land ownership. The Jews could and did own land in the many locations of the vast Abbasid Muslim Empire. And yet, Jews moved away from farming. This is of vital importance.

    Modern explanations of why the Jews became a population of craftsmen, traders, shopkeepers, bankers, scholars, and physicians have relied on supposed economic or legal restrictions. But these do not pass the test of the historical evidence.”

  166. @HallParvey

    Oilcan: “Jews have an ironclad contract with God. .. God has committed himself to look out for his chosen people. ”

    Stranger: CORRECTION: “The Jewish nation has a contract with their own NATIONAL god. Their NATIONAL god has committed himself to look out for his chosen people. ” ….. same as for every other nation in the Middle-East during the late Bronze Age.

    Judaism was just one of many tribal/national religions, in the Middle East during the Bronze Age. Every nation had a national god that defended the nation’s interests above all others. But almost all those religions are gone now, except Judaism. Although references to similar tribal religions can be found within Judaism..

    Judges 11:24: “if Chemosh your god takes over a country and gives it to you, don’t you have a right to it? And if the LORD [our god] takes over a country and gives it to us, the land is ours!”.

    Which quote also goes to show you that Middle-Eastern religions recognized the land claims of each other’s gods.

    Also most M.E. religion included a creation story crediting their god for it, in their collection of myths, in order to make their own god seem like king of the hill among gods. And Judaism was no exception. For example…
    [[For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, mighty.. Deuteronomy 10:17]]

    It just so happened that one of those old tribal religions got appended to a new Roman religion called christianity, which spread worldwide, and it made it appear as though there were something exceptional about that tribe and their god.

  167. res says:
    @j2

    From that post:

    We do not see this effect in the trait intelligence: children of parents with IQ over 150 do not typically have IQ very close to 150. The average IQ of the children is indeed very high, but the variance does not go to zero when the intelligence of the parents approaches the upper limits.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean

    As long as heritability is less than 1 there will be regression toward the mean. The basic equation is
    Expected_value(trait_child) = trait_pop_mean + heritability * (trait_mid_parent_avg – trait_pop_mean)

    So if we assume a heritability of 0.7 for IQ then the children of a pair of 150 IQ parents should have an average IQ of 100 + 0.7 * (150-100) = 135

    As long as you keep missing well known ideas like this it is hard to take your analyses seriously. Please spend some more time studying genetics and statistics before trying to critique research papers in this area. Or at least have enough sense to know when to ask questions rather than pontificating when you don’t know what you are talking about.

    Even if heritability is 1 the variance of the children will still not go to zero because of random assortment of parental alleles.
    https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/estimating-trait-heritability-46889

    • Replies: @utu
    , @j2
    , @j2
    , @j2
  168. res says:
    @utu

    I think a regression line would be more informative than an average.

    • Replies: @utu
  169. Zumbuddi says:
    @Professional Stranger

    TENS of thousands of years ago??
    Ice age Jews?

    I once knew a painter who converted from Jew to Lutheran.
    He said Lutherans were God’s frozen people.
    Yuk yuk yuk.

  170. @Ron Unz

    It seems to me that members of a group facing such difficult circumstances might engage in enormous, unjustified flattery of the powerful, hoping to possibly win a few of them over as supporters or at least diminish the degree of persecution.

    Approximately 99.9% of the sciences are less controversial and more respectable than studying group differences in intelligence and their genetic and racial correlates. Even within the field of psychometrics, one can specialize in perfectly non-controversial things such as the neuroscience of intelligence or the cognitive effects of ageing. The actually controversial topics – the ones that actually hold a small risk of incurring minor to moderate sanctions – account for at most 25% of the field (~250 active psychometrists in the world; around 100-150 attend ISIR, the field’s premier conference; <50 attended the more hardcore LCI at its peak).

    Prima facie, it would appear to be exceedingly unlikely that those few souls courageous and non-conformist enough to weather campus Red Guards, university investigations, and the wrath of the entire political spectrum left of Steve Sailer would be unduly interested in fellating influential Jews for some unclear benefits at the cost of their own self-image as fearless dissidents and truthseekers. Alternatively, if your suppositions are correct – and considering that far from receiving any benefits for debasing themselves so, persecution has only increased – one would indeed have to conclude that they are cucks, cretins, or most likely both. As well as cowards. It's not like any of them are actually being sent off to the Gulag.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  171. Skeptikal says:
    @Ron Unz

    Rewarding the swift increases in IQ that RU cites, one obvious explanation would be nurture factors: improved nutrition, improved public health profile (including maternal and neonatal health), improved basic living conditions (housing), and improved early public education, and even improved cultural surroundings.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  172. Blake says:

    Unbelievable nonsense. And Ashkenaz are white Europeans anyway.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  173. @Zumbuddi

    WELTON: Ashkenazi Jews—Jews whose ancestors settled in Eastern Europe

    Stranger: Very misleading. The ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews arrived in Eastern Europe tens of thousands of years ago, same as everybody else in the area. Their ancestors were not recent arrivals from the middle East.

    Ashkenazi Jews LOOK Eastern European, not Midde-Eastern. Tzipi Livni looks like Angela Merkel’s sister, and Ben Netanyahu, looks like Jay Leno.

    Ashkenazi Jews ancestors (Khazars) CONVERTED to Judaism, in the 8th century, in mass. After their king went shoping for a national religion, and selected Judaism. Mostly because he liked Talmud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Judaism

    Zumbuddi TENS of thousands of years ago??
    Ice age Jews?

    The point is:
    WELTON’S: “Ashkenazi Jews—Jews whose ancestors settled in Eastern Europe” __ sounds like Ashkenazi Jews had Jewish ancestors who migrated to Eastern Europe. When in fact the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews had been there as long as everybody else in the area. “Modern humans spread across Europe about 40,000 years ago.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations
    .. long before Judaism existed. Khazars converted to the religion in the 8th century.

  174. @Ron Unz

    That’s interesting because in 70’s and 80’s a Jewish guy I knew ( a lawyer but had a super mind for math and statistics) told me bluntly that all the opinion pieces were rigged at the NY Times and the Washington Post and that Jews wrote about 65% or more of them. I never checked the actual data but trusted his analysis.

    Ron you do know the real story of the original Esquire Magazine don’t you (not the rag that is published now). They weren’t going to call it Esquire because they thought it sounded too Jewish and that they wouldn’t get the top writers because the Jews owned the publishing, art and photography, and most related media in NY and would screw many writers by not paying them, shorting them or putting their Jewish friends byline on the article. In fact, this was a common practice and they still get away with it. Many of the supposed articles and screenplays were stolen by Jews.

    There is a great story about Puzo who wrote the Godfather Trilogy and what he did to counter the Jews stealing stuff.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Old Jew
  175. utu says:
    @res

    I think a regression line would be more informative than an average.

    “interesting” is in the eye of beholder. It is not ineterti g to m whatsoever.

    But I happened to make a polynomial fit seven hours ago just to drive the point that Woodley’s story about ancient Greek IQ is just making lots noise with insufficient amount of data. Bad science.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/two-millennia-of-dysgenics-in-greece/#comment-3241624

    Anyway, here is the fit:

    • Replies: @res
  176. lavoisier says: • Website
    @freedom-cat

    They also tend to not really work.

    Not my experience by a long shot. Very hard working and ambitious with few exceptions.

  177. @Zumbuddi

    Zambiddi: I once knew a painter who converted from Jew to Lutheran.
    He said Lutherans were God’s frozen people.

    Blind: I’ll raise you one…
    http://www.frozenchosen.org/ A message from Rabbi Abram Goodstein

    Greetings and welcome to the Frozen Chosen website. Congregation Beth Sholom is the largest and oldest Reform Jewish community in Alaska.

  178. utu says:
    @res

    So if we assume a heritability of 0.7 for IQ then

    0.7? In the breeder’s equation the proportionality coefficient is (a lower case) h^2, i.e., heritability in the narrow sense. So what is the value of h^2 for IQ? It should be simple, right? Just take a large sample of parents and children IQ’s and plot them and get the slope, right? You do not need twin studies and corrections using DZ and MZ twins.

    So what is the slope? The slope is qual to correlation when you normalize IQ’s by standard deviation. And the correlation according to wiki:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

    Parent-child—Living together .42
    Parent-child—Living apart .22

    Note that you do not need twin studies and corrections using DZ and MZ twins.

    So clearly it is nowhere near your 0.7. It is worth noting that this mistake is common among many IQists ( I think even Cochran is guilty) when they try to talk about the regression to the mean in terms of the breeder’s equation.

    • Replies: @res
  179. @Skeptikal

    I already said that in comment nr. 131.

  180. Paul says:

    But how do Jews compare with Episcopalians and Presbyterians? And what explains the lower IQs of Jews who are not Ashkenazi Jews?

  181. @lavoisier

    Depends on what you call work. At 78 years old, this Gentile, son of the South, performs more physical work in an average day, than the typical Jew performs in two or three lifetimes.

    • Agree: freedom-cat, anarchyst
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  182. bjondo says:

    Lance Welton is the pen name of a freelance journalist living in New York

    Shlomo ben Fibberstein

  183. Lot says:
    @niteranger

    “They weren’t going to call it Esquire because they thought it sounded too Jewish”

    I think esquire is Norman French, but you might want to double check, as I am the dimmest wit on this site.

    • Replies: @niteranger
  184. SafeNow says:

    So my plumber, preparing to install our new, quite complicated faucet, lays-out the dozens of parts on the kitchen counter. I unfurl the large schematic containing diagrams of assembly procedures. He politely declines it, and instead, scans with his eyes the parts for 30 seconds. He then quickly and easily assembles the faucet. I believe that no amount of trade school, apprenticeship, and experience would enable my g to do that.

  185. Lot says:
    @Vianney

    The average Irish IQ is not 93.

  186. Lot says:
    @Art

    “Jews have a very low moral quotient (MQ) – they score extremely low in empathy and honesty.”

    Not surprised this liar doesn’t have a citation.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @Art
  187. Lot says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “Askenazim are virtually all related at the 7th cousin level”

    4th/5th cousin level for pure AJs.

    23andme’s cousin finder feature doesn’t work for AJs for this reason: you get tons of false positive 2nd and 3rd cousins.

  188. @conatus

    Ron Unz’s articles on this subject notwithstanding, the Jews at Harvard when I attended in the 1970’s were a pretty impressive group — at least in math and science which were my focus at the time. And from recent experience with my own son’s college application a few years ago, I don’t think Harvard today is dropping its standards to load up on sub-standard Jews. My ethnically AJ son received a courtesy spot on the waitlist (a nod to “legacy” status) but was ultimately rejected despite mid-2300’s SAT I’s (taken only once), 800’s on both SAT II’s (math level II and physics), straight A’s from a highly competitive high school in a curriculum comprised of virtually all honors and AP courses (12 of those with 5’s on most) and a reasonably impressive collection of related activities and awards. This is not to say that there weren’t even more impressive applicants for Harvard to choose from — I’m sure there were. But the factors that seemed to carry the day with Harvard the year my son applied were (a) legacy + sports (not a strong suit for my son) and (b) URM status. If there was any advantage or edge given to even legacy AJ applicants (without sports), we didn’t see it. Mildly interesting aside: The two overall strongest applicants from my son’s class, one of whom was an ethnic AJ and a math superstar (medal winner on international math Olympiad team that won the world title for US for the first time in 25 years), both went to MIT early decision and, as far as I am aware, did not even apply to Harvard.

    • Replies: @Lo
    , @Skeptikal
  189. @Lot

    I believe it’s British but that’s has nothing to do with reasons why the word Esquire almost wasn’t used for the magazine (one of the original publishers and editors was Arnold Gingrich). The reason is that there were so many Jewish Lawyers ……the title ESQ. used in their name such as Saul Greenberg Esq. that the word was associated with the Jews and the fact they ripped everyone off in the publishing, art and media industries people would just associate the magazine with them and it would be negative.

  190. res says:
    @utu

    “interesting” is in the eye of beholder. It is not ineterti g to m whatsoever.

    interesting != informative
    And that second sentence was something. Maybe try proofreading?

    The polynomial fit is interesting though. Especially in light of observations that Jewish presence in Ivy League admissions might be declining recently.

  191. renfro says:
    @Ron Unz

    A few years later, I published my big Meritocracy article that rigorously quantified a gigantic similar discrepancy in admissions to America’s most elite colleges.

    I knew it ! We Episcopalians are smarter than Jews !!….hahaha….our genius is in our Episcopalian genes….its religious DNA brilliance particularly in the South!…..it comes from marrying our cousins.

    ”Stratifying the white American population along religious lines produces similar conclusions. An analysis of the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth found that Americans raised in the Episcopal Church actually exceeded Jews in mean IQ, while several other religious categories came quite close, leading to the result that the overwhelming majority of America’s high-ability white population had a non-Jewish background.”

    Helmuth Nyborg, “The Intelligence-Religiosity Nexus: A Representative Study of White Adolescent Americans,”
    Intelligence (2009) pp. 81-93.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#footnote_68

  192. res says:
    @utu

    Sigh. The numbers you gave are correlations (for a single parent!). Not heritability. From your own link:

    The heritability of IQ for adults is between 57% and 73%[6] with some more-recent estimates as high as 80%[7] and 86%.[8] IQ goes from being weakly correlated with genetics, for children, to being strongly correlated with genetics for late teens and adults.

    So maybe you are right about “nowhere near” and my 0.7 was too low given those recent results.

    • Replies: @utu
  193. j2 says:
    @res

    “As long as you keep missing well known ideas like this it is hard to take your analyses seriously. ”

    Regression to the mean occurs in the first few generations, according to Jayman only in the first, by my calculations in several, but the time scale of a human population living in the hunter gatherer stage is much longer than that. The last ice age ended 10,000 BC and it is a lot of generations, so forget regression to the mean.

    You are one of the commenters to whom I had to explain simple things over 5 times. My most limited students understood my explanations after 3-4 reformulations. I cannot believe you are more limited than that, therefore I must conclude you just pretend stupidity for some malicious reason. It is really hard to take any comments seriously from a person who apparently cannot understand simple mathematical facts even when they are explained several times, and that is you, res. By the way, do not accuse me of an ad hominem attack again, if I question your intelligence. When there are only two possibilities, stupidity and intentional acting as a stupid person, the kind assumption is that the person is stupid. Stupidity is not a crime in science, as we cannot help what we are, but if the behavior is intentional, it is very bad and not acceptable.

    Thus, I will kindly assume that you again did not understand regression to the mean and did not understand that as it affects only few generations, it cannot have any relevance to this discussion. Does this my kind interpretation please you? The other interpretation is that you just bullshit on purpose.

    • LOL: res
  194. @renfro

    renfro: “National Longitudinal Survey of Youth found that Americans raised in the Episcopal Church actually exceeded Jews in mean IQ”

    Stranger: Well possibly, but not in INCOME..
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  195. Lo says:
    @Ancient Harvard Alum

    Hey old man, the issue people have (well, at least sane people) is not about substandard Jews being admitted. Rather, it is about high Jewish admittance ratios despite equal credentials. Clearly, out of ~6 million American Jews, you can form a 100% Jewish Harvard class, but this is neither desired nor a good idea. Still, percentwise Jewish representation is ridiculously high at Ivies (assuming Unz’s article is well researched), and I am pretty sure they are not the only candidates with high scores and academic achievement (especially considering the populations). So, this is why some people suggest tribalism is the explanation (I agree with this). Since you went to Harvard, maybe you can offer another explanation.

    • Replies: @Ancient Harvard Alum
  196. j2 says:
    @res

    “As long as you keep missing well known ideas like this it is hard to take your analyses seriously. Please spend some more time studying genetics and statistics before trying to critique research papers in this area. Or at least have enough sense to know when to ask questions rather than pontificating when you don’t know what you are talking about.”

    I will in advance explain your error again, as very probably you again do not understand the issue.

    With large dog races puppies of these large dogs are large. Variance in their height is small. However, we do not find human populations with very high average IQ, say over 150. We would find such populations if it were possible to breed such populations. Our friends Ashkenazi Jews would have done it and were boasting of average IQ over 150. But this is not the case. Thus, there is a difference here.

    You mix up with the breeder’s equation without understanding that the question is not if very high IQ individuals coming from a population with much lower average IQ can have children whose IQ is very close to that of the parents. This is not what the question is. The question is, can we make a population where IQ is increased by selection to the point that all parents have very high IQ. Do then children have also very high IQ with small variance? This is the same as with a very tall god race. We can do this with height.

    What you try to mix this with is to ask, if we take a sample of tall dogs from a population of average dogs, are then all puppies tall with a small variance in height? The answer is naturally no, you have the regression to the mean.

    I am really very tired of your stupid comments. You do not understand a bit more complicated issues at all and they you start crying that you are being attacked by ad hominem attacks. Please, learn to think, then comment my posts. Res, you are a problem, not a solution.

    • LOL: res
  197. @renfro

    This would make sense. I think Episcopalians are mostly derived from English gentility who were given land grants by the British government during the Colonial era and generally served as administrators or clerks.

    These were the Oxford and Cambridge intelligentsia who were more or less administrators in the South ran the agricultural sector.

    Similarly, the so-called Cuban whites who have excelled at business in Miami are descended from Catalan overseers beneath the Spanish crown so-called “blue bloods” because their genes were unmixed with Moors.

  198. @Anonymous

    Moors are not the same as the camel jockeys in the Hijaz and the Najd what the hell

  199. j2 says:
    @res

    “As long as you keep missing well known ideas like this it is hard to take your analyses seriously. Please spend some more time studying genetics and statistics before trying to critique research papers in this area. Or at least have enough sense to know when to ask questions rather than pontificating when you don’t know what you are talking about.”

    I will still kindly advice you how you should comment to a post or comment. Do not include text of the type you wrote here to your comment. You are not a top expert of the field, you are far from it, and it is a junk field. Nobody can learn much from you, so nobody asks you questions. So, do not live in delusions. First check it you have understood what you criticize before writing anything.

    If you think there is an error in some post and comment, you naturally can and should write a comment that explains the error. It is best to formulate your comment as a question, is it not so that… or it seems to me that…
    Because it is not so certain that you have understood the issue correctly. But it is also fine just to claim that there is an error, but not to decorate your comment with statements like the one above. That is not correct. I have to teach you proper scientific behavior, as you obviously have missed the formal education part teaching it.

    It took you more than five reformulations to understand one simple issue, so I will formulate your error third time, hoping that three reformulations is enough this time.

    It is not a question of selecting individuals with high IQ from a population with lower average IQ and asking if their children have high IQ and low variance. It is a question if we can by selection over a long time produce a population where the children have the high IQ of the parents and low variance. It would be possible if intelligence genes were additive. Indeed, positive traits would cause positive alleles to be fixed in the population.

    However, we do not see that this has happened anywhere. There must be some reason for it. One simple reason is that the genes do not act additivly but good alleles of several genes are needed for increasing intelligence. Here also alleles could get fixed, but the cost of fixing alleles is that the population had zero genetic diversity, which means that recessive deleterious genes might become a too large problem even for hunter-gatherers, who typically kill unfit members. Thus, genetic diversity will be small but not zero. Because it is not zero, children do not inherit all combinations of good alleles from parents, one parent has them, the other has some other good allele combinations. This is just one possibility, I highlighted it in my post.

    Did you understand the idea this time? Hopefully so and we need not discuss together any more.

    • LOL: res
  200. @Professional Stranger

    Thank you for posting this intriguing infographic. I found the numbers for the MUSLIMs to be quite remarkable, and rather unexpected, as I initially expected “us” to have lower incomes with the history of Blacks converting to Islam, along with many inmates or former prisoners within the correctional facilities of America. This is quite indelible to me, as the numbers for Muslims, while being repressed by blacks and other low intelligence felons, is uncanny in comparison to Mormons and other groups, and it is (astonishingly) superior to that of Catholics, Buddhists and other denominations of the wider Christian faith. Another facet to this topic is the cultural attitudes towards female employment. Generaly within Muslim households, the women usually are housewives who primarily tend to the chores within the house, and raise the children. Will be interesting to see working members per family/household for the different groups, because I am certain that within Muslim households, men are the sole breadwinners, with women maybe taking up a hobby or something for the sake of added discretionary income. Both me parents worked though. Maybe one day they will seperate by Shias, Sunnis, non-Denominational, etc Regardless, I found your comment to be quite edifying and pertinent in regards to a matter in which I was discussing and scrutinizing with a friend. Thanks a bunch for that

  201. @Lot

    Does general observation require “citations” or do you call that “prejudice”? Who in his right mind would try to test the “Moral Quotient” of Jews and expect such study would get published in an environment controlled by those very same (“low Moral Quotient”) Jews ?

  202. @Anonymous

    At least in terms of managing immediate underlings, they [Jewish profs] seemed to have a higher “social IQ.”. . . The WASPs were more aloof.

    This difference reflects broader ethnic culture. The prevailing attitude among whites for most of American history has been hyper individualistic: “I made mine so you’ll get no help from me.”

    This attitude is in stark contrast with Mid-Eastern tribalism, where tribal members are under religious injunctions or tribal traditions to support each other including nepotism, job favoritism, n mutual kinship restricted financial subsidies. A tribal mentality fosters effusive friendliness n mentoring of less-experienced youth looking for patrons, so long as you don’t go against the Tribe. A libertarian mentality fosters nothing, but simply leaves the city gates open for exploitive tribes to move in n loot the place.

    When I was in grad school I was often welcomed with open arms by Jewish profs, Jewish students, even a Chabad House I happened to enter once out of curiosity. Most of this friendliness turned to outright hostility when I was found to be not just Jewish, but (the horror!) not even a Marxist.

    Before I left, this tribal exclusivity had already spread to other Mid-Eastern ethnic groups. For example, Persian profs were blatantly favoring Persian grad students, Arabs patronizing only other Arabs, Indians forming student unions with only other Indians, until now it seems every ethnic group openly pushes for special tribal recognition of the same nepotism which they brought from the Old Country, all at the cost of. . . well, you know the answer to that: whites, the only ethnic group that after 50 years of this, until whites have been almost expelled from the entire Ivy League, STILL refuses to defend itself, not even attempting to preserve a minuscule white quota in the very universities which whites built at such high cost for THEIR own descendants.

    Who can explain such slow stupidity in the face of such blatant wholesale looting? The least whites should do is to abandon their traditional aloofness n individualism n enthusiastically begin mentoring ONLY other whites. Oh, I almost forgot: discriminating in favor of whites is the ONLY form of discrimination that the Supreme Court has effectively outlawed. Every other group is “protected”. Not that this bit of fiction can be found anywhere in the Constitution. . .

  203. @Peter Maya

    But they tell great jokes on the TeeVee. Maybe that’s all that counts in the long run.

  204. @Lo

    The absolute main reason for Jewish prominence is the sort of tribalism that Christians or Muslims would not understand because both religions are universalist.

    You are correct that Jewish nepotism gives Jews a huge advantage, but, perhaps, mistaken is explaining our lack of it as a result of religious universalism.

    Jewish nepotism = group survival strategy
    Asian nepotism = good business
    African-American nepotism = brotherhood
    Latino nepotism = family values
    White nepotism = racism

    The above state of affairs has very little to do with the universalism of our religion, and has very much to do with the presence on these shores of Jews.

    As a result, they are able to integrate and heal diseases like the love of money and inferiority complex.

    I am glad to hear that Jews are healing, because things just keep getting worse for us as our position in our own country becomes more dire.

  205. utu says:
    @res

    The numbers you gave are correlations (for a single parent!).

    Yes, they are correlations between child IQ and parents (avg of mother and father) IQ. And if you use your brain a little bit you should see that these correlations are the slope in the breeder’s caution which means that they are heritabilities’s in the narrow sense providing that the proportionality factor k in the breeder’s equation ∆Z=k*S suppose to be h^2.

    The whole point is that it does not matter how you call or define this proportionality factor k but how you measure it. And you measure it by calculation the slope and this slope is equal to correlation when variables ∆Z and S are normalized. So the correlations that I have cited after Wiki are the ones to be used in the breeder’s equation. Not the heritability H^2 in the brand sense which you have cited that is larger than h^2.

    • Replies: @res
  206. @lavoisier

    Most of them are in acting, finance, education, Media, Government, Politics, etc. There are so many Jews in these areas it is sometimes hard to believe there are only 2% in our nation.

    When did you work with a Jew on a production line, housekeeping, Call Centers, Customer Service, Maintenance, Road crews, etc? I had a supervisor one time that I think is Jewish. Not 100% sure, but his name and his looks made me believe he is. He would fit under the Evelyn de Rothschild’s Jewish look…with maybe a tad bit of frog (he has big teeth).

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  207. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moi

    Unlike Einshtein (sic), da Vinci was a polyglot.

    Really? Pray tell which languages da Vinci spoke. And did he write anything in English? Would be thrilled to savor his actual words as written by him with his own (left) hand.

    • Replies: @j2
  208. @lavoisier

    Btw:

    In the book “Two Centuries Together” by Alexander Solzhenitsyn (you can still read it online for free), he talks about the Russian Jews and how they would rarely farm as they preferred being merchants, tax farmers, distillery operators, & financiers for the nobility, etc. They were literally given land to encourage farming, but would not farm it. They didn’t like the military either and avoided it as much as possible. It was the Peasant classes that took the hits for their stubborn attitude towards work.

    The Peasant classes (today’s working classes) have always paid the price for the uncanny relationship between the Wealthy Jewish Merchant class and the Nobility.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  209. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    That is fascinating and probably explains why one of my Jewish mentor’s outside collaborators always spelled my last name (which I am not going to divulge)on our publications using the Jewish spelling though he should have known better. Perhaps I had to be considered a member of the tribe to be worthy of association.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rottenborough
  210. dimples says:

    Obviously the answer to the Jewish Question is to convert them all to Christianity, by force of persuasion if necessary.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @Svigor
  211. Within the domain of general intelligence the visual-spatial component is arguably more universal and practically relevant than the verbal aspect because it has inspired useful technical progress (architecture, bridges, combustion engines in cars, aircraft, rockets, etc.) whereas verbal proficiency is restricted to specific languages and has merely spawned artificial legal constructs, financial scamming, mythological narratives, utopian fantasies, false historiography, and so on.

    Aside from that, how collectively intelligent – at least from a male perspective – can a specific society actually be when it continues to assertively indulge in infant mutilation rituals so vile that they were even rejected by such iconic figures as Moses and Herzl? This ongoing practice is truly a physical manifestation of male self-hatred that surpasses, in damage done, the contemporary mental variations evident in western society.

    I can imagine along the western Brooklyn shore a future feminist sculpture, to rival the Statue of Liberty in sheer size, of the de facto Goddess of cosmetic male emasculation, Tsiporah, built in the Classical nude style, holding a sharpened flint stone in one hand, amputated male foreskin dangling between finger and thumb in the other hand, and equidistant to both, in the shape of a long nose, her prominently protruding clitoral hood, morphologically equivalent to that, what she denied her son.

  212. anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @HallParvey

    ALL Jewisih religious Mythology…fictional religious folklore a “burning bush” is illogical, Irrational, delusional, maybe even crazy…a a powerful god that wrote IT on a mud tablet…really that doesn’t sound so powerful, a tablet that its never been seen.!!! God writes on tablets???e everything seems so absurd…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  213. @res

    I do recall reading about this, though I can’t locate the article in question.

    But some arguments off the top of my head that it isn’t a major factor.

    1. If it was, we would expect IQ dispersion to be greater in less developed countries than in the developed world, we don’t see that happening.

    2. B/W gap has remained remarkably steady at around 1 S.D. for over a century, greater Flynn amongst less intelligent should have been reflected in its contraction. At least unless Blacks have been getting more and more socioeconomically unprivileged throughout this period, which doesn’t seem plausible.

    3. Height usually moves in line with IQ, especially on the types of tests that are most subject to the Flynn Effect. Height of US Presidents has increased by about three inches since mid to late 18th century – same as for the population at large (~169/170cm – ~177cm).

    • Replies: @res
    , @Okechukwu
  214. @freedom-cat

    FREEDOM

    I’m not Jewish or here to defend them but to be honest, how many Jews are high school dropouts or don’t possess at least a BA. How many Jews do you meet that do not possess at least a college education?

    If you have a law degree why would you work on a road crew?

    How many Jews have a kid at age 20 and end up having to take ANY job?

    And if you have a good shot at making it as an actor and traveling the world and working with beautiful women and getting paid huge money why would you work as a housekeeper?

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  215. @Anonymous

    Anonymous[124]—I had meant to include a hyperlink to the PDF of Chapter 6 in my comment. Better late than never, here it is. I’ve forgotten much of it now but I read biochemistry at university in England.

  216. @dimples

    Yes like the conversos in Spain. And how did that play out?

  217. @Carroll Price

    Yes, and it all comes from the Judaism. Atheist or secular, Jews are still Jews, for the most part. If someone views me as no better than an animal, or plans for the destruction of my country and civilization, and possibly my physical body, I don’t care if he is secular or not. He’s still a member of the tribe.

  218. @Lo

    Hey Lo, the comment by “Conatus” to which I was replying expressed disbelief “that all Jews at Harvard have an IQ above 130” and mused that maybe a normal path for Jews to get into Harvard was by money and connections a la Jared Kushner. I was simply pointing out that, based on my own experience, I would bet that the vast majority of Jews at Harvard do have IQs above 130 (and in most cases probably a good bit higher) and that the Kushner path was/is extremely unusual. Despite my connections to the place, I have no special insights into what the admissions office does or why. As is obvious from the public data, they clearly love, love, love URMs (but not the “model minority” — as Unz has famously shown and the pending lawsuit is attempting to prove) and athletes. Legacy kids with top grades and 150-ish IQs but no varsity level sports or national awards? Not so much — even when they come from the supposedly favored tribe and their parents had been (no longer!) regular and substantial (but well below Kushner-level) donors. I don’t doubt that Jews are over represented in the Ivies relative to their percentage in the population, but the notion that there is some thumb on the scale in the admissions offices or from the presidents, provosts and deans of these schools strikes me as utterly ludicrous.

    • Agree: turtle
  219. Skeptikal says:
    @Ancient Harvard Alum

    Pressure on the Harvard administration is coming from Jewish heavy-hitter donors.
    It has various effects on policy at Harvard.
    This, I believe, is the root of the jihad on final clubs and other off-campus clubs, which was initiated under President Drew Faust.
    Jewish revenge and PC ideology.
    Despite the fact that women’s, minority students’, and ALL other clubs in addition to final clubs (some of which are same-sex and some of which now also admit women) are targeted.
    Harvard has been legally challenged on this policy.
    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/3/23/sanctions-lawsuit-opposing-dismissal/
    Harvard reserves to itself the right to sanction studients who participate in “unrecognized” clubs. Harvard wants to control all the clubs that students can participate in.
    This is a ludicrous position.
    Gleichschaltung in Cambridge.

    For more, google “Harvard sanctions lawsuit.”

    The reliance on heavy-hitting Jewish donors also affects issues such as how welcoming Harvard is to Palestinians and advocates for Pal rights.
    As well as increasing the percentage of Jewish “legacy” rootstock for incoming “legacy” applications.
    Under President Larry Summer (Jewish), Harvard was embroiled in a scandal regarding the looting of the former USSR. The scandal brought down the Harvard Insittute for International Development, and all of the projects for which it was the umbrella organization.

    • Replies: @Ancient Harvard Alum
  220. Skeptikal says:
    @Ancient Harvard Alum

    “the Kushner path was/is extremely unusual. ”

    Really? I doubt it.
    I think Kushner-Bush syndrome is quite common.
    Indeed, that is the whole *reason* for the uproar about “legacy” types.

    • Replies: @Ancient Harvard Alum
  221. @Curmudgeon

    So, that explains where the habit of greeting total strangers with, “hello Cuz” came from…

  222. j2 says:
    @Anonymous

    Not a polyglot but a polymath, yet some math is rather glotted, so it passes.

  223. turtle says:
    @Ancient Harvard Alum

    Clearly, any “famous” & selective school could fill its freshman class with well qualified applicants who are 100% (whatever).
    In the case of Harvard (e.g.) I expect they could make up a respectable freshman class with applicants exclusively from New England, or at least the northeastern U.S. Plenty of smart young people out there, many more qualified applicants than there are positions.
    So who gets in?
    I expect that is a Great Mystery, known only to the poobahs in the admissions office.

    So where did your son end up? 800 Math II used to be a ticket to ride, back when.

    turtle
    (ancient “Tech Tool”)

  224. anarchyst says:
    @jeff stryker

    Henry Ford CREATED a market which had not existed when he paid his employees $5.00 per day. Although Ford’s reasons for good wages were not entirely altruistic, he realized that paying good wages would be beneficial for his employees and society at-large, unlike the conventional thinking of the day, the average wage of the day being around $1.25 per day. Of course, the wall street types and the banksters howled that Ford’s wage rates would destroy capitalism.
    Guess what?? The OPPOSITE happened. Henry Ford knew one of the basic tenets of a free, capitalistic society, that a well-paid work force would be able to participate and contribute to a strong economy, unlike what is taught in business schools today that wages must be kept to a bare minimum and that the stockholder is king.
    Our free trade politicians have assisted the greedy wall street types and banksters in depressing wages on the promise of cheap foreign products.
    Henry Ford openly criticized those of the tribe for manipulating wall street and banksters to their own advantage, and was roundly (and unjustly) criticized for pointing out the TRUTH. Catholic priest, Father Coughlin did the same thing and was punished by the Catholic church, despite his popularity and exposing the TRUTH of the American economy and the outsider internationalists that ran it . . . and STILL run it.

  225. Bogus claims.

    Their high average IQ means that Ashkenazi Jews are and have long been massively over-represented in high-status professions. For example, Jews are overrepresented among Nobel Prize winners by a factor of 8:1.

    Disproportinate Jewish administrations (tribal nepotism) at elite colleges, universities and in tandem research institutions where most Nobels are minted.

    From the Nobel website – Physics, Chemistry and Physiology or Medicine, and Laureates in Economic Sciences

    [MORE]

    Harvard University – 27
    Harvard Medical School – 6
    Harvard University, Biological Laboratories – 1
    Harvard University, Lyman Laboratory – 1
    Harvard Business School – 1
    University of California, Berkeley – 18
    University of California, Santa Barbara – 5
    University of California, Los Angeles – 4
    University of California, Irvine – 3
    University of California, San Diego – 3
    University of California, San Francisco – 1
    University of California School of Medicine, San Francisco – 3
    University of California School of Medicine, Los Angeles – 1
    University of California, Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics – 1
    MIT – 19
    MIT, Center for Cancer Research -1
    Stanford University – 18
    Stanford University School of Medicine – 3
    Stanford Linear Accelerator Center – 1
    Rockefeller University – 12
    Cornell University – 8

    The Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz:


    In fact, Harvard reported that 45.0 percent of its undergraduates in 2011 were white Americans, but since Jews were 25 percent of the student body, the enrollment of non-Jewish whites might have been as low as 20 percent, though the true figure was probably somewhat higher. The Jewish levels for Yale and Columbia were also around 25 percent, while white Gentiles were 22 percent at the former and just 15 percent at the latter. The remainder of the Ivy League followed this same general pattern.

    This overrepresentation of Jews is really quite extraordinary, since the group currently constitutes just 2.1 percent of the general population and about 1.8 percent of college-age Americans.

  226. Oops. “Disproportionate”.

  227. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Leave it to a Zionist to promote a fraud.

    Einstein was no “Einstein” *, but he was a shyster.

    * Jew marketing and media tool used to brand & promote the fake claim of ‘genius’ Jews.

    Exposing the Real Albert Einstein
    https://principia-scientific.org/exposing-the-real-albert-einstein

    The Great Einstein Hoax
    https://www.amazon.com/Great-Einstein-Hoax-Herb-Rose/dp/1478748095

    Albert Einstein was a Fraud
    http://coconutrevival.com/?p=5656
    and:
    Einstein, plagiarist of the century
    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm
    and:

  228. Vojkan says:
    @renfro

    I clicked because I thought it was. I stopped reading when I realised the author was serious.

  229. res says:
    @utu

    Yes, they are correlations between child IQ and parents (avg of mother and father) IQ.

    I followed the reference back to the original source (available at libgen):
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7195071
    The correlations appear in Figure 1. Let’s repeat the numbers you quoted from your earlier comment:

    Parent-child—Living together .42
    Parent-child—Living apart .22

    Looking at Figure 1 it is quite clear those correlations are single parent correlations as I asserted (and contrary to what you said). The figure gives some other correlations (notice how they say “midparent” when that is what they mean).

    midparent-midoffspring reared together 0.72 (same as MZ twins reared apart)
    midparent-offspring reared together 0.50

    midparent-midoffspring is probably most relevant for talking about heritability.

    Pro tip: textbooks don’t always get things right (especially in controversial areas like this). Same for wikipedia. Better to check the original source paper.

    But thanks for getting me to go find the original reference. That is good to have available.

    Your point about broad (not brand) sense vs. narrow sense heritability is worthwhile. There is a lot of confusion about this out there. This page indicates twin studies estimate h^2:
    http://www.nealelab.is/blog/2017/9/13/heritability-201-types-of-heritability-and-how-we-estimate-it
    This page indicates things are more complex than that:
    https://www.cureffi.org/2013/02/04/how-to-calculate-heritability/

    • Replies: @utu
    , @utu
  230. Old Jew says:
    @niteranger

    Please relate the “real story of the original Esquire Magazine”.
    or a pointer ( a link) to where to read it.

    many Thanks,
    sf

  231. res says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Thanks for your reply (and for checking). Interesting points.

    1. If it was, we would expect IQ dispersion to be greater in less developed countries than in the developed world, we don’t see that happening.

    Don’t we? Africa seems like a counterexample to me.

    2. B/W gap has remained remarkably steady at around 1 S.D. for over a century, greater Flynn amongst less intelligent should have been reflected in its contraction. At least unless Blacks have been getting more and more socioeconomically unprivileged throughout this period, which doesn’t seem plausible.

    That makes sense, but… I suspect the “Flynn effect varies with IQ” observation is really a “Flynn effect varies with environmental starting point” phenomenon so you really have to look at that variation within population groups so the environment-IQ mapping is not confounded by the group differences in IQ. I would expect blacks and whites in the US to follow somewhat (there are environmental differences) similar FE trajectories. Just with offset averages.

    Put another way, it is probably better to express FE variation with IQ in terms of standard deviations from current group means.

    3. Height usually moves in line with IQ, especially on the types of tests that are most subject to the Flynn Effect. Height of US Presidents has increased by about three inches since mid to late 18th century – same as for the population at large (~169/170cm – ~177cm).

    There is a potential confound with better transportation and TV increasing the importance of height for becoming president. Not sure how to resolve that.

  232. @Vianney

    like the Levites did at Sinai, and also to eradicate the superior competition

    There seems to be significance to the elimination of the aristocracy/intelligentsia/upper class in the Jewish view of intergroup violence. If so, then the elimination of certain “classes” in Jewish-directed genocides, of the Kulaks, for example, is likely consciously eugenic.

  233. @freedom-cat

    The Peasant classes (today’s working classes) have always paid the price for the uncanny relationship between the Wealthy Jewish Merchant class and the Nobility.

    Would that relationship have anything to do with a certain $7 trillion dollar bailout of a banking industry that had just stripped the wealth from 20 million American families in the mortgage crisis?

    • Agree: freedom-cat
  234. Yatiri says:

    First, the real, biological Jews are the so-called Palestinians, a semitic people who chose to stay on their land even at the price of converting to Islam or Christianity. Ashkenazi (khazarian) Jews are a people of Turkic origin that converted to Judaism.

    So, if we want to measure the IQ of Jews, surveys are yet to be conducted. Many Israelis are aware of this unpalatable truth. Read the article of Philip Weiss:

    “Israeli Historian: Palestinians Are Biological Descendants of Bible’s Jews” published by Mondoweiss
    https://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/israeli-historian-palestinians-are-biological-descendants-of-bibles-jews/

    • Agree: Okechukwu
  235. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    AND… he will forgive us the SIN of aspiring to acquire knowledge through the act of murdering his son when sent to Earth as a messiah!

    After that, the improvisation is we all gain ETERNAL LIFE as a consequence of this crime.

    One thing leads to another and the Western World is given carte blanche to ruthlessly dominate the planet in the name of this dogma.

    What a piece of work is Man.

  236. utu says:
    @res

    I would not trust Bouchard, T. J., Jr., and McGue, M. on their midparent-child correlation. They are the true believers.

    But I found this where the authors allow themselves to be critical of Bouchard and McGue. They also redo data on N=2026 sample.

    Parent-Offspring Correlations and Regressions for IQ
    Sheldon C. Reed and Stephen S. Rich
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01073784

    Their correlation for sample N=2029 with SD=13.45 (parents) and SD=15.54 (children) is r=0.532.

    No truncation and no dubious range correction.
    __________

    The example of the “true-believism” of Bouchard and McGue: “…correlations for separated parent and offspring are quite heterogeneous. The weighted average is 0.22, much less than the simple expectation of 0.50. … one possible explanations could be that parents and offsprings are not given the same tests.” (see page 1058)

    There are several things wrong with this statement. If you drop your true believer bias you may figure out what is it by yourself.

    • Replies: @res
  237. Okechukwu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    1. If it was, we would expect IQ dispersion to be greater in less developed countries than in the developed world, we don’t see that happening.

    Don’t see what happening? Based on what? Do you have a credible scientifically valid study that could survive a Q&A session at a legitimate scientific conference IN RUSSIA?

    2. B/W gap has remained remarkably steady at around 1 S.D. for over a century, greater Flynn amongst less intelligent should have been reflected in its contraction. At least unless Blacks have been getting more and more socioeconomically unprivileged throughout this period, which doesn’t seem plausible.

    First of all, the black-white IQ gap in the United States has indeed been closing. This notion that it has not is an IQist talking point that is easily disproved. I understand that you people have talking points and “data” that attempt to muddy the waters and “prove” that the gap is not closing. But that only works in your echo-chambers.

    Secondly, the gap is less than 1 SD, given the black average of 91. Moreover, adjusted for 400 years of brutal maltreatment and sociocultural ostracization, black Americans actually have a significantly higher IQ than white Americans. Whites should be up by 30 points rather than a mere 9. And even that gap is closing.

    Lastly, black Americans have higher IQ’s than billions of Caucasians in North Africa, the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent, Asia and Southern Europe. Since these Caucasians are genetically closer to white Americans than to black Americans, that instantly should alert a smart person to the fact that the black/white IQ gap in America doesn’t have a genetic basis. Unfortunately, IQists and HBDers aren’t smart persons.

  238. utu says:
    @res

    This page indicates things are more complex than that:
    https://www.cureffi.org/2013/02/04/how-to-calculate-heritability/

    Yes, it is more complex when you discover ambiguities of heritability(-ies) definition and limitations and assumptions of various methods that try to measure/calculate it (or them). But do not forget that we got here while talking about the regression to the mean that follows from the breeder’s equation. The breeder’s equation has a proportionality coefficient that is nonnegative and less than 1. This coefficient is believed to be the heritability in the narrow sense. To tell you the truth I haven’t seen the proof of it however I saw a persuasive argument why the proportionality coefficient must be less than 1.

    So if you want to talk about the regression to the mean you need to get this proportionality coefficient which is a slope in Y=children vs. X=parents regression scatter plot. This slope is also a correlation when X and Y are normalized. That’s why it suffices to just talk about correlation r=cor(Y=child, X=parent) and all the issues and confusions with heritability go away if you are just concerned with the breeder’s equation.

  239. res says:
    @utu

    I would not trust Bouchard, T. J., Jr., and McGue, M. on their midparent-child correlation. They are the true believers.

    So you still don’t understand that Figure 1 of their paper was the original source of the Wikipedia data you approvingly cited? Sad.

    Their correlation for sample N=2029 with SD=13.45 (parents) and SD=15.54 (children) is r=0.532.

    That 0.532 is actually higher than the figure I quoted (0.5) for midparent – single offspring correlation. And the number I see in Table 1 is 0.531.

    Regarding the last part. Thanks for the detailed cite, but you left out the rest of the quote. “In fact, roughly 50 percent of our intergenerational correlations were based upon data from cases in which parents were given different tests from those given their offspring.”

    So that concern seems well founded. Are you objecting to their 0.5 which is explained in the caption to Figure 1 (the arrow)? Looking at the various arrows and median correlations it is clear that environment matters–is that your point?

    And what does the separated parent and offspring data have to do with the cases we were discussing?

    P.S. It becomes increasingly clear you are not worth talking to about this. You won’t even admit your single parent vs. midparent error in comment 209. Even when I spoonfeed (had to chase the reference through two textbooks) you the original reference demonstrating that you were mistaken.

  240. @Okechukwu

    You’ve obviously never worked in a black school. There are intangibles that I don’t think are accounted for in IQ tests, but there are obvious differences between the two groups. Also, in the areas where most blacks live, taxpayer funded public education was introduced for blacks and whites at about the same time, with neither group getting much out of it.

    In the southern states, there was traditionally no real concern for educating anyone but the children of the elites, and that situation continued into the 20th century for both blacks and whites. Public education when it did come about was rudimentary at best. Private education was out of reach for the majority of both races.

    I don’t think you understand how far the U.S. had gone to uplift blacks. At this point, black failure is on blacks. The rest of us need to concentrate on our own children and communities as much as the government will allow us to do so.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  241. Okechukwu says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    You’ve obviously never worked in a black school. There are intangibles that I don’t think are accounted for in IQ tests, but there are obvious differences between the two groups.

    What are the differences?

    Also, in the areas where most blacks live, taxpayer funded public education was introduced for blacks and whites at about the same time, with neither group getting much out of it.

    You must be playing dumb. Neighborhoods were/are segregated. And school districts are gerrymandered so that the predominantly white schools get most of the funding. They didn’t introduce school busing in a vacuum. It was an attempt to redress this problem.

    I don’t think you understand how far the U.S. had gone to uplift blacks.

    Well, people of your ideological persuasion were saying this even during slavery and in the immediate aftermath of slavery and before the New Deal and Great Society and before Affirmative Action. It’s a meaningless sentiment.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  242. @Okechukwu

    First of all, the black-white IQ gap in the United States has indeed been closing.

    The IQ gap hasn’t been closing between blacks in Equatorial Guinea and (native) whites in Iceland (or better, Singapore). https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html
    The black-white IQ gap in the United States has been closing because “blacks” are interbreeding and getting whiter while retaining the “black” label. Foe wxampleL Barack Obama, Tiger Woods, Colin Powell, Megan Markle… and more, click here https://www.imdb.com/list/ls009525915/

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  243. Okechukwu says:
    @Professional Stranger

    The IQ gap hasn’t been closing between blacks in Equatorial Guinea and (native) whites in Iceland (or better, Singapore). https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

    Ladies and gentlemen, this joker links to a site that has Equatorial Guinea IQ at 59. If we imagine a bell curve distribution, that would mean that many of these people have IQ’s in the 30’s, 20’s and teens. They would not be able to drive, brush their teeth, wipe their asses, think straight or function even at very low levels.

    This is what I mean by these clowns always coming up with “data” to prove that up is down and down is up. At this point I think it’s time to call these people what they are: STUPID. It’s sort of a delicious irony.

    The black-white IQ gap in the United States has been closing because “blacks” are interbreeding and getting whiter while retaining the “black” label. Foe example Barack Obama, Tiger Woods, Colin Powell, Megan Markle

    Well I’m of pure African descent and whites aren’t smarter than me. So there goes that theory.

    Interesting that you consider Megan Markle some kind of genius. She’s not, but this pure black Nigerian girl probably is:

    Nigerian-born Tobechukwu Phillips shatters American school’s 125-year academic history

    A Nigerian-born teenager, Tobechukwu Phillips has shattered the 125 academic history of her high school in Texas, US.

    Phillips, a student of Alvin High School boasted a 6.9 GPA, after she earned A’s throughout her stay in the school. She emerged the first Black valedictorian in the school’s history.

    https://punchng.com/nigerian-born-tobechukwu-phillips-shatters-american-schools-125-year-academic-history/

    Btw, there’s no credible evidence that the European fraction of African-American DNA has increased. If anything it would have become increasingly diluted the further you recede from the rapes of African slaves. There are fewer high yellers and black people capable of passing for white now than there was 100 years ago.

  244. @Okechukwu

    What are the differences?

    Blacks tend to be less curious intellectually than others, they tend to need much more repetition to learn, they peak earlier, have little regard for education, aren’t very good with abstract thinking, tend to vastly overrate their abilities…Those are just a few of my observations.

    You must be playing dumb. Neighborhoods were/are segregated. And school districts are gerrymandered so that the predominantly white schools get most of the funding. They didn’t introduce school busing in a vacuum. It was an attempt to redress this problem.

    You obviously don’t know the history of public education in the South. And you sure don’t know a thing about school funding. Blacks tend to have political control in areas where they live, and are in control of school spending and locations. Most don’t want whites bused in.

    Well, people of your ideological persuasion were saying this even during slavery and in the immediate aftermath of slavery and before the New Deal and Great Society and before Affirmative Action. It’s a meaningless sentiment.

    Are you really comparing the present where large numbers of blacks go to schools largely staffed and run by blacks, in black run school districts, and where many others go to desegregated schools, to the time immediately following slavery, when few whites in the South got any formal education? People of your ideological persuasion refuse to look at reality. The U.S. government has invested fortunes in money, time, and lost/refused opportunities to help blacks, and it’s largely been a waste.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @jeff stryker
  245. @Okechukwu

    Stranger: https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html
    These numbers came from a work carried out from 2001 to 2006 by Richard Lynn, a British Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finish Professor of Political Science, who conducted IQ studies in more than 80 countries.

    Okechukwu: this joker links to a site that has Equatorial Guinea IQ at 59. .. it’s time to call these people what they are: STUPID. …. I’m of pure African descent and whites aren’t smarter than me. So there goes that theory.

    Stranger: This guy thinks his personal opinion of himself, and insulting people who present facts he doesn’t like, trumps Lynn and Vanhanen’s years of scientific research This is what we are up against! 🤣

    • Agree: annamaria
  246. Okechukwu says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Blacks tend to be less curious intellectually than others, they tend to need much more repetition to learn, they peak earlier, have little regard for education, aren’t very good with abstract thinking, tend to vastly overrate their abilities…Those are just a few of my observations.

    Those are opinions, not facts. Do you understand what constitutes facts?

    You obviously don’t know the history of public education in the South. And you sure don’t know a thing about school funding. Blacks tend to have political control in areas where they live, and are in control of school spending and locations. Most don’t want whites bused in

    In what part of the South are blacks in control of school districts?

    Even if there are a few places where blacks have effective control, without an adequate tax base, it’s meaningless.

    The U.S. government has invested fortunes in money, time, and lost/refused opportunities to help blacks, and it’s largely been a waste.

    The US government has spent and wasted vastly more money to help whites. And it has done so since the 17th century. The money spent on blacks is a mere pittance in comparison.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  247. @Okechukwu

    1.1 billion People…There is obviously bound to be the rare gem present. Anyways, I’ll wait to find out her real life achievements before getting excited or anything, but regardless of that, I’m sure she is a fine, bright young woman.

    Blacks have independently never made a civilization unlike everyone else. Never has subsaharan africa ever been worth anything at all. Not once in world history. Blacks are even to this day not at the forefront of innovation or technology…They have added nothing of any substantial use to mankind…they have continued to over-burden mankind. Not a single useful innovation or invention.

    Fact. Subsaharan africa has always been the way it is. Always.

    • Troll: Okechukwu
  248. @Okechukwu

    Those are the facts in the classrooms where I have taught, and in the places that I have worked. Exceptions exist, but they are exceptions.

    If I have to explain to you that blacks tend to vote for blacks, and control many large, medium sized, and small towns, as well rural areas throughout the South, then you don’t know enough to have a conversation.

    The U.S. was over 80% white until the 1980s, but for most of the history of the nation, there was nothing like the welfare state that exists today. Whites made a very nice country from the ground up. Blacks have done very little with the massive amount of help and opportunities thrown their way.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  249. Lo says:
    @Ancient Harvard Alum

    Well, the numbers shown in Unz’s article were extremely skewed when adjusted for population. I have a hard time believing that it can be totally unbiased. As far as the IQ is concerned, I think Harvard’s average IQ hovers around mid 120s, so it is not surprising that there would be many people with an IQ above 130.

  250. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Evolution has made Jews more intelligent than white people.

    Jews are a race, when it suits them, but a religion when that suits them better.

    In this case, they are considered as a race.

    Why?

    Obviously to conceal the environmental factors that affect IQ test scores. Or if that is not the purpose then the investigators are idiots.

    Compared with other religious/cultural groups, e.g., Episcopalians, Jews are no smarter than white people. Probably Christian Scientists are even smarter.

    By pretending that Jewish IQ test scores have nothing to do with culture yields a bogus racial distinction.

    Why does Unz continually publish such crap?

  251. @Skeptikal

    Skeptical: Though I had zero involvement with any finals club when I was in school, I agree with you that these clubs should be able to admit/associate with anyone they want (and be all male or female or whatever) and not with anyone they don’t want. I am in favor of free speech and free association. However, I am not aware of any evidence that the “jihad” against these clubs is due to the efforts or influence of “heavy hitter” Jewish donors. In fact, I know for a fact that at least one such donor (and one of the “heaviest hitting” of any ethnicity or religion) vehemently and vocally opposed these efforts.

  252. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Carroll Price

    I call work any employment activity that taxes either body or mind.

    Perhaps you are right that most Jews do not earn their living by hard labor, not much money in those fields– but they work very hard in my experience–using their minds.

    I have seen Jews accused of many things but laziness is not one of those things.

  253. Joe862 says:

    They just don’t have a working class. This isn’t a good thing. It makes them dependent. Breeding a relatively low number of brainy but dependent people is no great accomplishment. Has anyone ever noticed how they’re always whining about how hard it is to be them? They’re sort of like a dog breed that has been bred for exceptional characteristics in a few ways but is a dumpster fire overall due to a bunch of weaknesses the breeding has caused. When they stop demonstrating their misery with the endless victim narrative I’ll take a look to see if maybe they’re doing something well.

  254. @Skeptikal

    Skeptical: Kushner/Bush are not the same thing. If we are to believe the public stories about these two situations, one is a case of admission based on money (not legacy at all) and the other is a case of admission based on lineage (and legacy), and probably less about money (and not dissimilar to the treatment accorded to children of Kennedy, Clinton, Bush and Obama — probably none of whom would have been admitted to the fancy colleges they attended or are attending on their own “merit”). In any case, neither has anything to do with thumbs on the scale for Jews as such.

    As for the so-called uproar about legacy, I do not believe it is a response to legions of unqualified alumni offspring filling the dorms. As practiced for the past decade or two, legacy at most “elite” schools is rarely more than a “feather on the scale”. Why the uproar then? Three reasons: (1) To give any class of people an advantage over anyone else, however slight, runs counter to the meritocratic ideal that the elite schools purport to hold dear, so it’s an easy and tempting target notwithstanding the benefits for the schools (donations and alumni support) that go with it. (2) In the current political climate, saturated with obsession about “privilege” and “inequality”, the idea of a legacy benefit is especially fraught. (3) The legacy issue is a great punching bag (and convenient excuse) for advocates of affirmative action, which provides a much bigger advantage to its beneficiaries than legacy does to the vast majority of alumni.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Lot
  255. Skeptikal says:
    @Ancient Harvard Alum

    “Kushner/Bush are not the same thing. ”

    Doch. These two are basically the same thing.
    Connections getting sub=quality brains into top universities.

  256. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “Ladies and gentlemen, this joker links to a site that has Equatorial Guinea IQ at 59. If we imagine a bell curve distribution, that would mean that many of these people have IQ’s in the 30’s, 20’s and teens. They would not be able to drive, brush their teeth, wipe their asses, think straight or function even at very low levels. ”

    In Europe it would be so. Idiots have IQ 0-30, max 35, and they cannot learn how to read or write. Imbeciles have IQ between 30-50, max 55. They can do the most basic things, but are very limited. About 0.15% of European population are idiots.

    If the IQ of Equatorial Guinea is 59 and SD=15, then people 1.933SD under the average would be idiots. That means 2.7% of the population would be idiots. That is still only a fraction of the people.

    If we would know what percentage of the population are idiots in the behavior sense (cannot brush their teeth etc.), then one could calculate the average IQ from that figure. Do you know the percentage?

    There could be this difference between Europeans and Africans that in Europe people with exceptionally low IQ have deleterious genes that have lowered the intelligence. That is, they inherited some recessive bad genes and are a homozygote on some of them. Then they are in a sertain sense ill. While it may be so that an African with a rather low IQ score is not in any sense ill. He does not have deleterious alleles that lowered the IQ, only he does not have alleles that increase IQ in Europe. Then he is perfectly normal, can learn to read and write, do all things, but still dopes poorly in IQ tests and in the school. Could be, or not?

  257. Lot says:
    @Ancient Harvard Alum

    If the class is 10% legacy and each alumnus averages 2 children, that is 20 children of alumni per legacy slot.

    Perhaps it is only 15 because elite female fertility is low and because of alumni couples.

    Nonetheless, a group of 15 children of Harvard alumni is not exactly an easy competition.

    Ancient is right, it is a feather on the scale.

    • Replies: @res
  258. @OilcanFloyd

    OILCAN

    Because the South was a British colony and you folks imported the British class system, perhaps education was or is not as relevant to lower-income whites.

    But for middle-class whites in the Northern US, the issue of trying to scrounge the money to send kids to a decent private school is huge and made many Irish-Catholic educators rich as Catholic schools were able to raise tuition 200% so that Lutherans, Methodists and even Jewish families could avoid sending their kids to a public school.

    In the Northern industrial school system, public schools, even in decent areas of places like Detroit, were synonymous with extortion by black gangs and bullying of white students.

    My parents enrolled me in a Catholic school to avoid the dreaded public junior high, which bussed in blacks from the nearest ghetto.

    Even so, I heard the horror stories from friends whose parents did not bother to foot the bill for private school.

    The middle school gang referred to themselves as “BC” or “Bastard Crew” because most of these black kids were illegitimate.

    They brought knives and dope to school. Their abuse of white kids was legendary. One white girl was nearly drowned in the boys toilets. One black student had strapped a knife to his leg during football practice and stabbed a white kid who tackled him.

    Finally, a bullied white student named David I knew slightly was facing an after-school beat-down in the junior high parking lot and in an act or self defense he imitated Sean Penn and filled his schoolbag with with cola cans as he exited the school and when the blacks surrounded him he bludgeoned them but in a blind panic he hit one of the two black youths-both 16 and still in ninth grade-so hard that the impact knocked one of them unconscious and the other was hospitalized. It was clearly self-defense as the blacks had approached him with every intent to hurt him but the schoolteachers in 1989 when I was 15 were all aging Panther-loving Black Power-enamored aging hippies and passed David onto the juvenile court system who, also wishing to make an example of him, charged him as an adult for attempted murder. David managed to get probation but his teen years were ruined because he went through a long legal process that cost his parents a fortune.

    Then there was Kathleen, the only coke whore who I knew as a child. Her parents were going through a nasty divorce and Kathleen began hanging around blacks in the sixth grade and by 14 she was a cocaine addict whom all the blacks had used sexually. People fail to realized that by the age of 16 many blacks are sophisticated and seasoned drug dealers. On one night when Kathleen went out riding with them, they got her so high on crack cocaine that she began to go into a seizure. The blacks dumped her half-naked in the middle of the road to writhe and foam from a cocaine overdose-she was only 15. Her parents managed to enroll her in rehab. But then the black youths came to her house searching for. When her parents were not forthcoming with information, the black youths returned later and vandalized the garage of her house. It was not just a matter of getting Kathleen away from a bad crowd at school but facing home invasions from black teen gangs who had access to automobiles and burglary tools who now targeted Kathleen’s house in a rich suburb. Eventually the black youths forgot about Kathleen and moved on to other white girls but only after she had been through rehab at a cost of thousands of dollars and only after they had caused thousands of dollars of damage to her parents property….and all because Kathleen went to a public school with black teenagers.

    A single black named Dayrell targeted me. He was attending Catholic school on a Sports Scholarship and was in sixth grade at the age of 13 so of course he was an excellent athlete for his grade. He was already after the white girls in class, mostly the pallid Irish ones with Hibernian looks, all of whom were 11 or 12. I forget why our paths crossed, but because I had started school a year late due to a bad ear infection and was his age when he attempted to push me around it turned into a fairly ugly playground brawl. But a few years later from a fellow student I heard he had THREE children by the age of 17.

    Is this due to slavery? Well Indians were imported as slaves to South Africa but have since risen to become a fairly successful group there.

    Was it the crack cocaine epidemic which blacks accuse the CIA of deliberately introducing in order to keep blacks from rioting? Korean merchants lived in the ghetto and yet few of them became addicted to crack cocaine.

  259. @jeff stryker

    True, but what good are they doing? They are all over the place in Main stream media and we all know how mainstream media is doing. Same for other “occupations” they cluster around. Just because you own facebook, or have a great prime time spot (rachel maddow, etc) doesn’t mean you are producing anything of value. And how much of their success was on their own?

    Even Scientists like J Robert Oppenheimer did nothing useful (unless you think nuclear bombs are useful).

    Now, a farmer does have value. So does a mechanic, and I would say janitors and maids are highly useful. But we can live without all the bad Finance/Banking, government, and the growing corrupted education system, as well as the Propagandizing media.

    If you want to impress with IQ levels and brilliance, you need to show HOW that brilliance is going to help humanity, our planet. Show me some brilliant Philosophers (like the Greek Classics). I’m sure there are some Jews that would fit in that type of brilliance…but not many.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  260. @OilcanFloyd

    OILCAN

    Rural blacks? For a Northerner from the Canadian border that is an entirely alien thing. I did not know such a thing existed.

  261. Art says:
    @Lot

    “Jews have a very low moral quotient (MQ) – they score extremely low in empathy and honesty.”

    So Lot,

    What is your explanation for why Jews have so little empathy for their neighbors.

    I think it is traumatic stories told to 5 year olds by their mean elders (who were told the same stories by their mean elders). It is perpetual child abuse – generation after generation.

    Think Peace – (If you can) — Art

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  262. anarchyst says:
    @jeff stryker

    It was just as bad in the 1960s. In fact, Detroit’s Northeastern High School had a “black students union” that was successful in getting the American flag removed from the front of the school and replacing it with a “black nationalist” flag.
    The ordeal that white students had to go through was harrowing, to say the least. White students did not use the restrooms, as a “beatdown” by multiple blacks was usually the result. Blacks never fought one-on-one, the “pack mentality” was evident then as is today.
    Blacks did not want to learn, the same situation that still exists today. Teachers were deferential to blacks, although there were a few teachers who tried to carefully shield their white and asian students from predatory blacks, giving them additional attention and coursework, knowing that they could excel in spite of the, violent, raucous atmosphere.
    Anywhere blacks go, they destroy…

  263. LW attributes the higher intelligence gene exclusively to Ashkenazic Jews but then incorrectly limits this group to Eastern European Jews. Ashkenazic refers to German Jews, or to those Jews who originally settled in the Rhineland in the early Middle Ages and then later moved, in some cases, into Eastern Europe. In the pictures that accompany Welton’s article we see a German Jew by descent (Marx), an Austrian Jew (Freud) and Sephardic Jews (e.g., Maimonides). Perhaps the good genes that LW discusses are more widely distributed among Jews than the article suggests.
    By the way, I always believed (was I mistaken?) that Jews are Caucasians.

  264. res says:
    @j2

    There could be this difference between Europeans and Africans that in Europe people with exceptionally low IQ have deleterious genes that have lowered the intelligence. That is, they inherited some recessive bad genes and are a homozygote on some of them. Then they are in a sertain sense ill. While it may be so that an African with a rather low IQ score is not in any sense ill. He does not have deleterious alleles that lowered the IQ, only he does not have alleles that increase IQ in Europe. Then he is perfectly normal, can learn to read and write, do all things, but still dopes poorly in IQ tests and in the school. Could be, or not?

    Some discussion of this idea at http://www.unz.com/jthompson/what-does-iq-70-mean-for-black-and/

    TLDR: Looks like you are correct.

    • Replies: @j2
  265. res says:
    @Lot

    Ancient is right, it is a feather on the scale.

    Your (and Ancient’s) argument makes intuitive sense, but if you look at the logistic regression admissions model from the Harvard Asian Admissions lawsuit you see that the coefficient for legacy is almost exactly (2.4 vs. 2.37) the same as that for being African-American. More at this comment:
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-are-people-paying-bribes-to-get-their-kids-into-usc/#comment-3138219

    That is far more than a feather.

    • Replies: @Lot
  266. @Art

    I was looking for a place to donate to the victims of the Synagogue shooting (the first one), and so I looked online for a local Jewish chapter. I went into their website and their Youth organization caught my eye because they were having a huge (and very lucrative) writing contest for the older kids; to write a paper on the Holocaust. They were going to be handing out big prizes for the best papers (I think it was something like $500 which is a lot to a kid). They are literally teaching their kids fear and that the way to combat and protect themselves is through militant writing (and probably other manipulative means).

    I never saw any place to donate to the shooting victims, although I did find one on Go-fund-me.

    So, the “mean elders” are working diligently to instill fear, and maybe even hate, into their people.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Art
  267. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    Ironically, you’d have to have an IQ of -50 to actually believe what you are writing. It’s HBD and IQist echo-chamber stuff. But in the real world, you will be told that it is some of the dumbest shit anyone has ever heard. It is actually quite astonishingly stupid. Go to a real scientific forum anywhere on this planet (that’s anywhere/any country) and start expounding on this theory and men in white coats will come and take you away.

    This is all par for the course in HBD/IQist land. The circle-jerk and echo-chamber phenomena that drive this stupidity would make an interesting psychological study. Notice prolific circle-jerker Res immediately chimed in to support this unabashed nonsense.

    No one cares really. Some of you are dumb enough to believe this junk. Others of you want desperately to believe it and will go to great lengths to delude yourselves into believing it. While others of you know it’s all fake but cling to it as an ideological cornerstone of whatever it is you think you are trying to accomplish.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  268. j2 says:
    @res

    Hi res, I do not see any reason why we could not discuss some topic. You have lots of knowledge on these things, I am just a generalist, but underestimating generalists may not always be wise.

    Your link has one interesting point. It gives 280/1000,000=0.028% true idiots or imbeciles in some population. I have an old Finnish medical book (which is invaluable in telling how common were some infectious diseases in the WWII time, needed for estimating deaths in camps). This book is printed 1956, it is the standard from that time, I remember we had it at home. According to it, 0.15% of the population are idiots, defined as IQ 0-30, max 35.

    The difference between 0.028% to 0.15% can only correspond to improved conditions. It also explains why the Finnish IQ has increased. It is environmental changes, including improved education. Environmental factors explain much of intelligence in much of Europe, like neither of my parents went to the secondary school and for sure they would not have scored very highly in IQ tests, yet their children were quite intelligent. The same must be true in Sub Saharan Africa.

    But there is some genetic difference. A very short Masai is an ill Masai, while a very short Pygmy is a normal, healthy Pygmy. Very probably Europeans and East Asians were in a correct place in a correct time and got naturally selected for this particular type of intelligence measured by IQ. There are other types of intelligence, such as finding routes and recognizing people. For instance, I am very poor in both of these tasks, while quite good in some tasks measured by IQ.

    • Replies: @res
  269. turtle says:
    @freedom-cat

    Thus does politics become religion.

  270. @jeff stryker

    Indiand were brought in as indentured servants/workers to Uganda, South Africa, Mauritius, Tanzania, Kenya etc and they all did and still do fantastically well

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  271. @Okechukwu

    This guy is the resident fact-free long-winded ad-hominem insult artist.

    IQ of -50 to actually believe what you are writing… dumbest shit anyone has ever heard.. astonishingly stupid… men in white coats will come and take you away… circle-jerk .. stupidity … circle-jerker … unabashed nonsense… dumb … junk. Others of you want desperately to believe it and will go to great lengths to delude yourselves into believing it. While others of you know it’s all fake but cling to it as an ideological cornerstone of whatever it is you think you are trying to accomplish.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  272. @j2

    Okechukwu: this joker links to a site that has Equatorial Guinea IQ at 59. .. it’s time to call these people what they are: STUPID. …. I’m of pure African descent and whites aren’t smarter than me. So there goes that theory.

    Just so you know the famous source of the link this anonymous guy is mocking…

    Stranger: https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html
    These numbers came from a work carried out from 2001 to 2006 by Richard Lynn, a British Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finish Professor of Political Science, who conducted IQ studies in more than 80 countries.

    J2: If the IQ of Equatorial Guinea is 59 and SD=15, then people 1.933SD under the average would be idiots. That means 2.7% of the population would be idiots. That is still only a fraction of the people.

    If we would know what percentage of the population are idiots in the behavior sense (cannot brush their teeth etc.), then one could calculate the average IQ from that figure.

    Stranger: Interesting! A possible GENERAL method of measuring IQ.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @j2
  273. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    …They must be the ONLY ones doing well in some of those countries. Anyhow, if I am not mistaken, when Idi Amin expelled the Indians the economy collapses fairly swiftly which then left to the public opinion of Amin declining which then resulted in mass executions etc. etc.

  274. Okechukwu says:
    @Professional Stranger

    Do you really think you’re helping your case with your Richard Lynn citations?

    The fact that you are heralding Richard Lynn as some sort of paragon of scientific integrity is a reflection of the mind-numbing stupidity common to IQists and HBDers.

    The fact is, there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that you are more intelligent than the average Equatorial Guinean. In fact, based on your writings and based on your embrace of the clearly fraudulent Richard Lynn, my assessment is that the overwhelming majority of the people of Equatorial Guinea are smarter than you are. There is absolutely no way that a person who genuinely believes in HBD and cites Richard Lynn as a source can be assessed to be anything other than stupid.

    You (and that means you) are not as smart as these people:

  275. @jeff stryker

    “BengaliCanadian: Indiand were brought in as indentured servants/workers to Uganda, South Africa, Mauritius, Tanzania, Kenya etc and they all did and still do fantastically well”

    Stranger:
    India has a national average IQ of 82, which is quite low. However the Brahmin caste has an average IQ of 115 – the highest of any identifiable ethnic group – According to Richard Lynn, a British psychologist, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish political scientist.

    Brahmin run India’s computer software industry, out of Bangalore. And most of the Indian doctors in the US are Brahmin. The flood of Brahmins leaving India for America, amounts to a massive brain-drain for India.
    https://brahminsexposed.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/54/ [[Out of the total Indian doctors in the U.S.A. 67% are Brahmins. Instead of serving the poor masses of India, these doctors have opted to work in rich America and other Western countries. —- Brahmin representation in the fields of engineering and law is 53 % and 57 % respectively. In the field of education their teachers and professors make up more than 51 %.]]

    However the point here is: even the run-of-the mill, lower-class Indians, with average IQ 82, are still at an advantage in sub-Saharan Africa where the average IQ is in 10 points lower.
    Note that: 84 is average IQ of Arabs who have been historically the ruling class there.

    • Troll: Okechukwu
    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    , @Lot
  276. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Professional Stranger

    This guy is the resident fact-free long-winded ad-hominem insult artist.

    Says resident, fact-free, long-winded, ad-hominen, punctuation-challenged insult artist.

  277. j2 says:
    @Professional Stranger

    “J2: If the IQ of Equatorial Guinea is 59 and SD=15, then people 1.933SD under the average would be idiots. That means 2.7% of the population would be idiots. That is still only a fraction of the people.

    If we would know what percentage of the population are idiots in the behavior sense (cannot brush their teeth etc.), then one could calculate the average IQ from that figure.”

    It should be possible to measure this way, but the percentage of idiots depends on the medicine (e.g. birth giving practices, nutrition e.g.). I took this 0.15% from a Finnish standard medical book printed 1956, as Africa is not the most modern continent. It seems that in modern societies it is much lower percentage, res found a reference to Thompson giving 0.028%. Anyway, such differences are environmental and could be estimated, so probably one should get a realistic average IQ this way.

  278. @Okechukwu

    COMMENT 272 Okechukwu
    IQ of -50 to actually believe what you are writing… dumbest shit anyone has ever heard.. astonishingly stupid… men in white coats will come and take you away… circle-jerk .. stupidity … circle-jerker … unabashed nonsense… dumb … junk. ..fake

    COMMENT: 279 Okechukwu: mind-numbing stupidity.. NO EVIDENCE that you are more intelligent than the average Equatorial Guinean… fraudulent Richard Lynn.. overwhelming majority of the people of Equatorial Guinea are smarter than you are.. a person who.. cites Richard Lynn.. stupid.. You.. are not as smart as these people:

    Stranger: This guy is the resident fact-free long-winded ad-hominem insult artist.

  279. @jeff stryker

    Grandfather was one of them. Indians made up 1 % of the population but like 70-90% of the revenue. Saw a couple videos of Museweni making trips to different businesses overseas(mainly in England) owned by the banished Ugandan Indians, trying to garner some investment outta them. They also tried convincing many to return. Some have

  280. @Professional Stranger

    Cogent enough points I guess but LOL at the “brahminsexposed” website

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  281. res says:
    @j2

    Hi res, I do not see any reason why we could not discuss some topic. You have lots of knowledge on these things, I am just a generalist, but underestimating generalists may not always be wise.

    Thanks. That would be good. I definitely agree with your underestimating generalists point. I tend to be more of a generalist as well (say relative to academic experts in these disciplines). It is just that this is one of my areas of particular interest.

    As a generalist I find one of the major challenges is learning enough of a field to avoid reinventing the wheel while not becoming too beholden to the biases of that field. Virtually no one is smart enough to derive entire fields of study from first principles (Newton is the best exception I can think of, and he is known for “If I have seen further it is by standing on ye sholders of Giants.”).

    I agree with most of the rest of your comment, but want to address this part specifically.

    Environmental factors explain much of intelligence in much of Europe, like neither of my parents went to the secondary school and for sure they would not have scored very highly in IQ tests, yet their children were quite intelligent. The same must be true in Sub Saharan Africa.

    The degree to which that last sentence is true is an important question. Many people expect sub-Saharan Africans to have exactly the same (or more) potential as any other group (say Finns or Chinese) in that regard. Based on genetics, I don’t think that is true. There is certainly room for improvement, but it is unclear how much. At the end of the day it is an empirical question. Hopefully we will get to see conditions in Africa improve enough to find out.

  282. Lot says:
    @res

    I do not trust that expert report.

    What I would trust: what are the average SATs for non-athlete legacies v non-athlete blacks?

    I’ll bet they are not nearly the same, even if the “coefficient” for the groups are the same.

    But it another way: if Ancient’s son were an URM but not a legacy, would he have been admitted?

    • Replies: @res
    , @Ancient Harvard Alum
  283. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    I watched the video. Clearly the Black people there are not any morons. I was long ago in Bamako. A local guide helped me to do some shopping. She was quite intelligent as far as I could judge. A while ago I was in China. I tried to explain something to the reception person. That was impossible, like if talking to a moron. So, hard to believe the average IQ of China is 105 and Mali 70. I think at least 20 points you can always attribute to environmental factors. Tests may give some number, and that is what tests give, but the actual genetic intelligence is a different thing.

    But I also have had Finnish and foreign students. Chinese students were in the middle level. (The best were always native male students, but European Erasmus students were also quite good.) In a small number of exams I had African students. They either left empty papers or wrote a few lines that made absolutely no sense. So, I had to fail them all, every time. But I had these African students only in maybe three exams.

    Then there are Somali refugees in Finland. There is data of school performance of different groups and the performance of these Somalies is lower than that of natives.

    The Finnish police investigated the results of Tatu Vanhanen on IQ tests in order to see if there is a sound scientific basis for the results of Lynn and Vanhanen, as there was a question if the book Lynn-Vanhanen was science or racism. The conclusion of this police investigation was that the results of Lynn and Vanhanen are justified by science. That is, the IQ tests give more or less those results. But the results do not say that Blacks are morons, they only give the scores. The scores do not mean the same in every population.

    The argument you can make against these results is that IQ does not measure intelligence in the same sense that you understand by intelligence.

    So, what I want to say is that while it is true that IQ is not a measure of actual intelligence and it is strongly influenced by environmental factors, especially in less developed countries, there are reasons why many people think that Sub Saharan Africans do worse in educational achievement tests, such as exams in the school and in the university, at least in many cases of Africans studying in Europe. These results are not influenced by any bias or racism. They just are what they are.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  284. Stranger: This guy is the resident fact-free long-winded ad-hominem insult artist.

    Canspeccy:
    Says resident, fact-free, long-winded, ad-hominen, punctuation-challenged insult artist

    A pseudo-intellectual nitpicker who can’t see the forest for the trees, and thinks “ad-hominem” is spelled “ad-hominen“! LOL!
    He didn’t know what a scientific hypothesis was, either, in an earlier thread on IQ:
    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/your-iq-in-2-minutes/#comment-3226722 .. see COMMENTS 162, 169

    BTW: separating adjectives with commas is optional with stacked adjectives, wrong with cumulative adjectives.

  285. @BengaliCanadianDude

    If you don’t like the website, you can Google the data, and verify on websites that you do like.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  286. Art says:
    @freedom-cat

    So, the “mean elders” are working diligently to instill fear, and maybe even hate, into their people.

    It all starts with the Passover story – and the manifest joy found in the killing of Egyptian children. What kind of a mindset does that implant in a 5 year old’s immature mind.

    Hmm — what is OK for god to do – must be OK for them to do — ask the Palestinians.

    Do No Harm — Art

    • Agree: freedom-cat
  287. Lot says:
    @Professional Stranger

    “However the Brahmin caste has an average IQ of 115”

    Nope. Quite possible Parsis are 110+, but they are a tiny group, much smaller than Brahmins.

  288. @Professional Stranger

    Oh no I am not disputing your points, it’s just I find it quite amusing that Brahimins have such avowed adversaries that are so impassioned in their contempt for them that they create websites dedicated to them. Funny website title too

  289. American people are idiots, they should be mixing genes with Jews, in order to increase their intelligence, but they prefer to mix with browns indigenous people from Latin America, that according to most data and research done, have low IQ, from 80 to 89, depending on the country. Americans are now so dumb that they are easily fooled by indigenous that enter in caravans illegally in USA and get easy asylum telling fake histories, saying they will die if can not get asylum. People with low intelligence only can cheat others with lower intelligence.

  290. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    Echo-chambers like Unz tend to promote a false sense of reality. The notion that the people of Equatorial Guinea are less intelligent than Americans, Europeans, Japanese (or any race or nationality) is not at all normative in the real world. It has no resonance in the real world. And it’s not because it’s controversial or taboo, it’s because it’s not real. Nobody sane would bet anything of value that any random white or Asian person is going to be more intelligent than any random Equatorial Guinean.

    But I also have had Finnish and foreign students. Chinese students were in the middle level. (The best were always native male students, but European Erasmus students were also quite good.) In a small number of exams I had African students. They either left empty papers or wrote a few lines that made absolutely no sense. So, I had to fail them all, every time. But I had these African students only in maybe three exams.

    There are instructors that say African students are the best they’ve had. And in America and the UK African students are known as the very highest performers.

    The conclusion of this police investigation was that the results of Lynn and Vanhanen are justified by science.

    Wrong. The conclusion of the investigation was that they couldn’t be shown to be intentionally trying to incite race hate. The investigation made no conclusions as to the science. How could they? They’re police, not scientists.

    there are reasons why many people think that Sub Saharan Africans do worse in educational achievement tests, such as exams in the school and in the university, at least in many cases of Africans studying in Europe.

    Just leave it alone. You’re always going to have too many holes in HBD theory than you can plug. This is because HBD is an absurd pseudoscience that has no basis in reality. Again, Africans are known as some of the top scholars in the United States. So if Africans aren’t performing as well in your classroom, you should discount any genetic interpretations. This is very basic and simple science, which unfortunately eludes HBD advocates.

    • Replies: @j2
  291. res says:
    @Lot

    I do not trust that expert report.

    Do you have anything better?

    IMHO: That report > your opinion (or mine, for that matter)

    That said though, you raise some worthwhile points. Most of the variables in the regression are binary. The only exception I see is this one:

    Standardized Academic Index. OIR also used standardized academic index scores
    in its logistic regression. The exact algorithm is not known. While similar to the Harvard
    academic ratings, calculated index scores were based on just the SAT I and high school
    grades. The standardized academic index had a coefficient of 1.29, roughly the same as
    Harvard’s academic rating (as one would expect).

    Nice and vague. And that excerpt and Table 1 are the only places it is mentioned in that report. I’m guessing it is something like https://www.thecrimson.com/admissions/article/2013/10/5/introduction-to-academic-index/
    I’ll refer to this as SAI below.

    The coefficient for that variable is hard to evaluate because we don’t know the numerical range. If that range is 60-240 then that 1.29 coefficient is huge. I doubt that is the case. My best guess is they Z scored it (SD units) or binned it (1 – 5 or so) which makes it more important than Table 1 seems to indicate.

    Given this context, let’s discuss your points.

    What I would trust: what are the average SATs for non-athlete legacies v non-athlete blacks?

    I’ll bet they are not nearly the same, even if the “coefficient” for the groups are the same.

    I tend to agree with this. And would LOVE to see those numbers.

    But it another way: if Ancient’s son were an URM but not a legacy, would he have been admitted?

    This is the money question. My guess is you are right and the answer is yes. But how to reconcile that and the report? Some thoughts.

    1. The legacy benefit is applied selectively. I would like to see a model that included a legacy x African-American interaction term. (donations might play in here as well)
    2. The SAI includes class rank and size which probably benefits blacks in largely black schools.
    3. The SAI bins test scores in a way that obscures differences below typical Harvard. Only people with some kind of in will be considered at those levels anyway.
    4. African-Americans are getting other thumbs on the scale. Given the way Asians get oddly low personal ratings I think this is likely.

    So, I think we pretty much agree, but the proper response IMO is to critique the report rather than dismiss it out of hand. Some information is better than none.

    Note that my entire critique is centered on the African-American coefficient likely being an underestimate of the true effect. Do you see any reason to disbelieve their legacy coefficient? (not sure how to quantify 1. above) A log odds ratio of 2.4 (that’s an odds ratio of 11!) is a big deal.

    There are more models in https://samv91khoyt2i553a2t1s05i-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Doc-415-1-Arcidiacono-Expert-Report.pdf

    Table 6.1 indicates my concern in 4. above is well founded. It gives a look at Personal Rating by race. Also see Table B.6.3 and B.6.4

    Table B.5.1 is probably as close as we are going to get to the SAT score comparison you wanted.

    Table B.7.2 tends to give larger estimates for AA coefficient and smaller estimates for legacy coefficient than the report I quoted. It does give a legacy x African-American interaction term which is around -1 (surprising to me).

    Overall this expert report looks more believable to me. What do you think?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Lot
  292. “…Nobody sane would bet anything of value that any random white or Asian person is going to be more intelligent than any random Equatorial Guinean…”

    You don’t understand what the comparison of averages means.

  293. Anonymous[320] • Disclaimer says:

    Stop it. Just stop it. Stop defending and abetting Jewish superiority and right to lord over the rest of us.

    We all know, if not suspect, that the sample size will be suspect, biased and tilted.

    Stop promoting things that reinforce Jewish supremicism while condemning information that suggests Jewish sociopathy.

    You can’t have it both ways.

    Self serving identity politics in America is truly sick. SICK.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @AaronB
  294. Lot says:
    @res

    Harvard submitted an expert report and rebuttal expert report, both here, search on page for “expert”

    https://admissionscase.harvard.edu/supporting-documents

    I don’t doubt that Asian American applicants have a higher admissions threshold. I don’t think that is a problem either since:

    It is a private institution

    They are still admitted at 5x+ their population share

    No preference for non-Asians would require H to drastically rebalance their departments with more STEM and less humanities and non-econ social sciences.

    Relative to their test scores, Asians are worse at soft interpersonal skills, leadership qualities, risk taking, creativity, etc.

    International and grad students are heavily NE Asian, possibly the majority of some programs.

    Asian students bring less US geographic diversity.

  295. Lot says:
    @res

    This document, starting on page 25, provides a summary of why Harvard believes the plaintiff expert’s report was flawed. It convinced me. He omits many variables Harvard’s report includes, and takes other questionable steps.

    https://admissionscase.harvard.edu/files/adm-case/files/harvard_fof_col_with_appendix-as_filed.pdf

    • Replies: @res
  296. res says:
    @Lot

    We are getting rather far afield from the legacy issue. Any further thoughts on that?

    A serious debate of the merits of the two sides in the Harvard lawsuit is probably beyond the scope of this conversation (and definitely beyond my motivation to dig deeply into all of the reports again).

    I will note that your last two comments basically seem to be saying.

    1. There is not really an issue here. (300)
    2. And even if there is, so what? (299)

    I’m kind of OK with Harvard doing what it wants (only kind of given its outsize role in selecting our “elites”). As long as it is open about what it is doing (which it tends not to be).

    It would be interesting to see a full breakdown of Harvard’s admissions (including things like actual SAT scores, not their muddled academic index) by ethnic group (including separating out Jews and non-Jewish whites).

    P.S. Fairly recent article on the lawsuit indicates the judge is focusing on the personal ratings issue:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-14/harvard-judge-wants-to-know-where-all-the-asian-americans-are
    See Tables B.6.3 and B.6.4 referenced above along with the accompanying text in the report for details on that.

    • Replies: @Lot
  297. @Lot

    I have not read the SFFA expert’s report, but regardless of whether the admission percentages for legacy and AA applicants are similar, I have no doubt that AA vastly outweighs legacy as a “tip” factor. If I am rembering correctly, Fitzsimmons (dean of admissions) or someone else from his office stated publically that the average SAT of legacy admits is higher than that for the class as a whole — which, as near as I could tell when I looked at this a few years ago, means that the average legacy SAT (on the old 2400 scale) is probably ~2250 – 2275. This is likely ~200 – 300 points higher than the average AA SAT.

    None of this is surprising. The non-AA legacy offspring of alumni/a from top schools (whose spouses are often from the same or similar schools) have the genetic deck stacked in their favor. They also tend to grow up in stable families who care about education etc. Even with inevitable regression to the mean, it is no shock that ~10 – 15% of the offspring of a typical Harvard class will have top 0.5% SATs and related credentials In addition, though hard to prove I also suspect that the parents of these kids engage in quite a bit of pre-screening to discourage unqualified or marginally qualified offspring from making long shot applications (and losing the edge of an early decision election at a more realistic school). After all, the alumni from these schools have first hand knowledge of the challenges of getting admitted to and succeeding at such schools, and are probably less likely than an average parent to delude themselves about the chances of getting in.

    • Agree: Lot
  298. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Stop defending and abetting Jewish superiority and right to lord over the rest of us.

    Isn’t that the whole point of the Unz Review? I ask in genuine curiosity. But the endless promotion of anti-Semitism is surely a requisite of Jewish immunity from serious criticism. Poor Jews, constantly under attack for their power and prosperity which, in truth, have been justly earned by virtue of superior intelligence.

    We all know, if not suspect, that the sample size will be suspect, biased and tilted.

    Yes, I already pointed that out. Specifically:

    Compared with other religious/cultural groups, e.g., Episcopalians, Jews are no smarter than white people. Probably Christian Scientists are even smarter.

    By pretending that Jewish IQ test scores have nothing to do with culture yields a bogus racial distinction.

    To which I should have added some illustrative examples.

    Here’s one. Compare those Askenazis, who are both a racial and a cultural collective, with, say, the English aristocracy, most of whom have been educated at Eton and Oxford, the finest schools in the world. Does anyone seriously doubt that those toffs would be less smart that a bunch of Jews?

    And like the Jews, they have means to attract new talent through marriage, as when an impoverished younger son of a Duke such as Lord Randolph Churchill married the daughter of American tycoon, Leonard Jerome. Jerome, for those unaware of Jenny Jerome’s pedigree, was known as:

    “The King of Wall Street”. He held interests in several railroad companies and was often a partner in the deals of Cornelius Vanderbilt.[2] He was a patron of the arts, and joined in the founding[citation needed] of the Academy of Music, one of New York City’s earliest opera houses.

    And, together with a wife of highly intelligent stock, Lord Randolph Churchill, like so many other British aristocrats of that era, received a handsome dowry denominated in US greenbacks.

    Today, it is not for the most part Americans that the cash-strapped Anglo elite marry, but the up and coming Asian and Arab money. Like Diana, who was gonna marry the son of Egyptian tycoon Al Fayed until she and Dodi conveniently died under suspicious circumstances.

    So again, I ask:

    Why does Unz continually publish nonsensical IQist crap such as this article?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Anonymous
    , @annamaria
  299. Lot says:
    @res

    “We are getting rather far afield from the legacy issue. Any further thoughts on that?”

    Not really. They get a small advantage, and I don’t think it is my or rejected applicants’ business.

    I also disagree Harvard has an obligation to be “open” about it.

    Bakke and later decisions told colleges to go ahead with informal racial quotas, just don’t use “blacks get a 300 SAT bonus” type automatic system (Grutter and Gratz) and obfuscate with lots of happy diversity talk.

    Can you blame Harvard for doing what the Supreme Court told them?

    • Replies: @res
  300. Lot says:
    @CanSpeccy

    “Why does Unz continually publish nonsensical IQist crap such as this article?”

    I once wondered if Unz had some hidden agenda and tried to figure it out. Discredit the moderate nationalists by printing stars like Sailer and Derb alongside nuts like Saker and “Featured Book: Mein Kampf”?

    He is doing this, but I don’t think it was intentional at all.

    I concluded Unz is just genuinely nuts, or “eccentric” since he’s rich, and is completely open and forthright in what he writes.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  301. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “Just leave it alone. You’re always going to have too many holes in HBD theory than you can plug. This is because HBD is an absurd pseudoscience that has no basis in reality. Again, Africans are known as some of the top scholars in the United States. So if Africans aren’t performing as well in your classroom, you should discount any genetic interpretations. This is very basic and simple science, which unfortunately eludes HBD advocates.”

    I do not support HBD and I consider IQ research as a junk field of science, when compared to many others (though not all, history seems to be mainly lies, that is humanistic, but I also have some serious doubts of certain results in theoretical physics and that is science). Some African students have performed poorly in universities where I have been a teacher. I cannot say anything about genetic or environmental interpretations to it. Africans may be known as some of the top scholars in the USA. Chinese students are also known as some of the best students in the USA. The Chinese I had in my lectures were average, but I guess the best went to the States, the same with Africans. Anecdotal evidence of this type does not show anything of group intelligence either way, but it may explain why some beliefs are rather widespread.

    “The conclusion of the investigation was that they couldn’t be shown to be intentionally trying to incite race hate.”

    Thanks for a correction. I maybe formulated my sentence in a way that allowed incorrect readings to it. What I meant is that if there had not been any scientific justification in the form of published papers stating the facts Lynn and Vanhanen write in their book, then the conclusion had certainly been that there were intentionally trying to incite racial hatred by spreading unfounded claims. But as it was found that intentional effort to incite racial hatred could not be shown, it implies that the investigation showed that there were scientific papers supporting the claims in the book (as we know that there are). This naturally does not imply that these scientific papers were correct in their claims. Police would not investigate correctness of scientific claims, they are police. It simply shows that both sides of this scientific controversy could show published scientific papers as a justification of their claims. Then it is just one of many scientific disputed claims, not a police matter.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  302. Jews learn memorization through their lifelong religious study that starts at a young age, this is why higher IQ results.The idea that Jews are smarter than non Jew whites, always make me wonder if they are so smart, how did they end up being marched naked into gas chambers?

  303. res says:
    @Lot

    Not really. They get a small advantage, and I don’t think it is my or rejected applicants’ business.

    The OIR report (which is not the Arcidiacono report as you seemed to think when you dismissed it, this one was actually commissioned by Harvard) gave a log odds ratio of 2.4 for legacy.
    http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/1237/CEO%20Study%20Harvard%20Investigates%20Harvard.pdf

    The Arcidiacono report (Table B.7.1) gives log odds ratios of 1.662 to 2.058 for legacy in all models which include the academic index.
    https://samv91khoyt2i553a2t1s05i-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Doc-415-1-Arcidiacono-Expert-Report.pdf

    The Card report (as well as the rebuttal you linked) does not report his model coefficients as far as I can find. Do you have a reference for those? Card spends (literally) hundreds of pages on FUD about the other models citing details of his own, but I have yet to be able to find the complete list of coefficients for his model. I find that telling.
    https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/diverse-education/files/expert_report_as_filed_d._mass._14-cv-14176_dckt_000419_033_filed_2018-06-15.pdf

    A log odds ratio of 1.662 (the lowest number above) corresponds to an odds ratio of 5.3. This is NOT a small advantage.

    As far as whose business it is, are you saying all of the lawsuits which led us to this point (e.g. Bakke) should not have happened? Like it or not, the criteria colleges use for admission are in the public discourse. That is the Pandora’s box opened by aggressive affirmative action.

    Can you blame Harvard for doing what the Supreme Court told them?

    I don’t think the Supreme Court told them they were required to admit blacks at GREATER than their population proportion. As for the obfuscation, yes that’s pretty much on the Supreme Court.

    Speaking of the Supreme Court, what do you think about Sandra Day O’Connor’s timeline for affirmative action? 2028 is not that far away.
    https://www.weeklystandard.com/mark-bauerlein/the-clock-ticks-for-affirmative-action

    • Replies: @Lot
  304. Lot says:
    @res

    All of the Supreme Court cases on AA involved public colleges. I am fine with not having AA in them. Harvard’s admission policies aren’t my business. “You take some public money so we own you” is something I’ve heard, but when the government is a third of GDP, that’s the road to totalitarianism.

    To put it another way, I don’t care if the plaintiffs’ expert is right. Their legal theory: whites can never benefit from AA in private universities where’d they be underrepresented otherwise, is not one I think the law should support.

    • Replies: @res
  305. res says:
    @Lot

    I thought you just said “Can you blame Harvard for doing what the Supreme Court told them?”

    Any thoughts on my legacy effect size comments? The effect might not be as large as for blacks (and probably isn’t in practice given the hidden tweaks in things like personal factor), but it is far from “small.”

    • Replies: @Lot
  306. AaronB says:
    @Anonymous

    You poor white people have no one on your side.

    Left wing whites hate you, and right wing HBD whites who are supposedly on your side distort facts to create narratives depicting you as inferior.

    HBD-promoting right wing whites are not on your side – they hate you as much as the Left does. HBD is not your friend.

    Your entire intellectual class has defected in one way or another.

    It takes a Jew like Ron Unz or myself to be motivated enough to notice the discrepancies in the narrative and defend whites.

    But you guys are finished as you are now – get a religion, or you will die or be enslaved.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @annamaria
  307. Lot says:
    @res

    The plaintiff expert omitted variables and you say Harvard’s didn’t provide an estimate.

    Also an OR may not be the best way to quantify. A small total boost isn’t incompatible with the difference between a 1% and 5% chance of admission given particular objective measures. I bet 80% of applicants, both legacy and non-legacy, are autorejects with a 0% chance, and a smaller group is near 100%.

    To put it another way, black or top football prospect would boost a wide range of applicants from under 1% to over 90%. I don’t think legacy does this, and for 90% of the range it has no real effect. Within the narrow “maybe” range, maybe it is an OR of 5.

    • Replies: @res
  308. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Lot

    I concluded Unz is just genuinely nuts, or “eccentric”

    That’s an innocent enough explanation. But to a dispassionate observer the Unz Review looks more like a propaganda tool deployed in the longstanding conflict between Nazis and other Europeans, on the one hand, and Jewish supremacists on the other.

    While Nazis ruled in Europe, Jews took a hit, but now that Jews are on top, they’re pushing the myth of Jewish racial superiority, while driving the extermination of the European people by a combination of reproductive dysfunction mediated by cultural degeneracy, and mass replacement immigration of culturally unassimilable groups, particularly Muslims.

    The Unz Review plays its part in the struggle by, among other things, offering bogus scientific evidence of Jewish racial superiority.

    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @AaronB
  309. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    But you guys are finished as you are now – get a religion, or you will die or be enslaved.

    A resurgence of Nazism would probably serve best.

    • Replies: @Lot
  310. AaronB says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Most of the people pushing the myth of Jewish superiority are white HBD types, Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, Peter Frost, Lance Welton, and most of the white conmentariat at Anatoly Karlin’s blog.

    It is obviously an extension of the general cultural rot that afflicts the West these days – people who are completely cucked.

    The only amusing thing is that these people bill themselves as defenders of the West lol.

    Oh, these same people also like to see themselves as inferior to Asians and fantasize about being dominated and sodomized by the Chinese, like the French philosopher Cioran in the early 20th century, who claimed that Europeans want to be dominated by Asians.

    Clearly, Jews, and to some extent Asians, have the same stasus on the HBD right as the “magic negro” does on the Left – a a symbolically higher being that whites must bow down to.

    It is just cuckery all around when it comes to white culture these days – you will not find a single healthy and self respecting movement.

    The complete end of a civilization.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  311. Lot says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Will Nazi 2.0 allow Unz and AaronB in?

    Even DailyStormer had to hire weev, a quarterling webmaster!

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  312. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CAME IN LATE, and are wondering WTF HBD is..

    “HBD is an acronym for “Human BioDiversity” .. the biological diversity found between human populations”
    For example:
    Height: Tall among the Tutsi of Rwanda, short among Pygmies of Eastern Congo;
    Skin color: Dark skin among Sub-Saharan Africans, light skin among Northern Europeans and Northern Asians;
    IQ: Low among Sub-Saharan Africans, high among Northern Europeans and Northern Asians;
    Penis size: Long among Sub-Saharan Africans, short among Northern Europeans and Northern Asians.

  313. Pygmies want UN tribunal to address cannibalism, they allege: “the big people are eating us” – May 23 2003 – Pygmy activists from Congo have demanded the United Nations set up a tribunal to try government and rebel fighters accused of slaughtering and eating Pygmies who are caught in the country’s civil war. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/22/1053585643490.html

  314. World Map color-coded by penis size by country

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @CanSpeccy
  315. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Most of the people pushing the myth of Jewish superiority are white HBD types

    That may be so, but who’s pushing these cucks? Ron Unz, and the Judaized media in general.

    I am sure anyone interested in countering the influence of these traitors would not be short of material to publish.

    Here’s some: a comprehensive rebuttal of Fred Reed’s treatment of the fact that the theory of evolution was verified by the painstaking research of a white man.

  316. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Lot

    Even DailyStormer had to hire weev, a quarterling webmaster!

    Is that so?

    Perhaps the whole Nazi movement is today run by Jews, thus to provide a stick with which to beat the white man. Certainly, there used to be a Jew, Francis (Frank) Collin, running the American Nazi Party.

    • Replies: @Lot
  317. HBD – another example
    https://vdare.com/articles/i-q-why-africa-is-africa-and-haiti-haiti

    Based on Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen’s book IQ and the Wealth of Nations.

  318. Lot says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I do agree Nazi nuts are used to “beat” whites who pish back at anti-white racism.

    I disagree that “Jews” are behind the Neo-Nazi movement. The tiny number involved certainly show no sign of liking their fellow Jews. Weev has swastika tats and downplayed his Hebrew blood. His mother wrote some kind of open letter saying she was half Jewish, Weev said she was less. She’d know better than him though. And Unz certainly promotes Nazis but doesn’t seem to identify with them directly.

    Where your Jewspiracy is most plausible is the whole Richard Spencer media frenzy of 2016-17. Spencer loved the attention and being by far the most visible WN in America. In return, he gave the media the exact quotes they wanted to attack Trump and Stephen Miller.

    However, this was more of an intra-Jew fight than anything else. Trump is the most pro-Jewish president ever, and his favorite child converted herself and gave him a passel of Jewish grandchildren. The old guard left-wing Jews nonetheless saw him as a threat, so they tried to scare the Jews in the middle by claiming Trump is buddies with Nazis.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  319. Lot says:
    @Professional Stranger

    Obviously Hungarian troll is obvious.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  320. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Jews (n=53)

    The study is a flagrant insult. But when it comes to that legendary Jewish IQ, we seem to see it again and again. And somehow, they get away with it.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  321. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    You poor white people have no one on your side.

    No one defines themselves solely on the basis of race except Whites. And Blacks. This kind of (primitive) self identity is a mistake.

  322. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Professional Stranger

    Weeeirrrd. Pro Stranger keeps penis-length maps, which is stranger than I’d have thought.

    But what about Schnozz-size maps, or ear-lobe length? Those vital facts must be about all that remains to be known in order to resolve this race/IQ debate.

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  323. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    But when it comes to that legendary Jewish IQ, we seem to see it again and again.

    I don’t doubt that the Askenazis have an above average IQ. They got dough, so they attract good mates and, as you may know, the biggest sex organ a woman has is her brain.

    At the same time, the dopes of the Jewish tribe tend to drop out — can’t afford the Synagogue membership, or get tired of being jeered at for being Finckelstein with nothing to be gained for the pain, so they change their identity altogether.

    But there are plenty of other more or less consanguineous groups that show the same kind of behavior and maintain the same kind of intellectual advantage, for example, the British aristocracy, as I noted above. What’s more, any group that outbreeds in this fashion will tend to have a high polygenic score.

    Polygenic score is a marker of outbreeding, and thus an indication of reduced inbreeding depression of intelligence and fitness generally. Thus, the relatively high IQ’s recorded for some Asian groups is likely in consequence of a recent increase in outbreeding among individuals moving from from highly inbred (i.e., village) communities to the city where they breed with individuals from different communities than their own.

    The result of outbreeding among the inbred is hybrid vigor, i.e., the reduced expression of deleterious genes. An effect that wears off as the genetic load in the outbred population rises. Hence, plausibly, the current decline of the west, where urbanization occurred first.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  324. @CanSpeccy

    Ad-hominem nonsense. If you contest the definition given of “Human BioDiversity” (HBD) or any of the examples, try to say why.

  325. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Lot

    Trump is the most pro-Jewish president ever, and his favorite child converted herself and gave him a passel of Jewish grandchildren. The old guard left-wing Jews nonetheless saw him as a threat, so they tried to scare the Jews in the middle by claiming Trump is buddies with Nazis.

    Trump is certainly a strange beast, his objectives hardly clear. But if he is not himself of Jewish extraction, he is clearly pro-Israel and heavily Jew backed.

    It is also evident that Trump has hopes of settling the Jew/Arab dispute in Israel to the total advantage of Jews, thereby providing Jews with a secure homeland where those unable to assimilate to their diaspora residence, can safely and comfortably migrate.

    That seems like a good policy both for Israel and America, although a basic flaw as it is pursued, is the failure to provide realistic compensation to Arabs of Palestine. I think a deal with Egypt for a New Palestine in Sinai is possible and would make good sense for all concerned. Both Israel and Egypt would gain a buffer state between themselves and a former and still potential foe, and Egypt would gain an affiliated bread basket — assuming that the New Palestine was adequate financed to to allow high-tech farming on the West side of the Israel/Sinai border.

    There would be a cost, obviously, but much less than a typical botched US ME war.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @annamaria
  326. “Human BioDiversity” (HBD) is well proven for all kinds of human traits, including intelligence. The main problem wit this article is that his premise that HBD supports the idea that Jews have higher-than-Euro IQ is not supported by the facts.

    Firtstly: “The Jews” are a NATION compose of a number of different ethnic groups. And each group has widely different average IQs.
    For example Ashkenazi (Euro Jews like Tzipi Livni) have average IQ 103, about the same as Europe.
    Suphardic IQ 91, slightly higher than Arab IQ 86.
    Falasha IQ 63 about the same as Ethiopia

    Jewish success in HOST countries, where Jews are a GUEST nation, is due to nepotism, and doesn’t work in JEWISH countries.

    Prof. Lynn breaks Israeli IQ into 3 components https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/027597510X/vdare – “Race Differences in Intelligence” by Richard Lynn — Another anomaly is that the IQ of Israel is only about 94, which although substantially higher than the median IQ of 85 found elsewhere in the region, is much lower than the IQ of Jews outside of Israel, estimated at between 108 and 115.

    Lynn breaks the Israeli IQ into three components: * 40% Ashkenazim (European Jewish) with a mean IQ of 103; * 40% Sephardim (Oriental Jewish) with a mean IQ of 91; and * 20% Arab with a mean IQ of 86, which is virtually the same as that of Arabs elsewhere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  327. @Lot

    Ad-hominem nonsense. If you contest the definition I gave of “Human BioDiversity” (HBD) or any of the examples, try to say why.

  328. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Professional Stranger

    “The Jews” are a NATION compose of a number of different ethnic groups. And each group has widely different average IQs.
    For example Ashkenazi (Euro Jews like Tzipi Livni) have average IQ 103, about the same as Europe.

    Well, yeah, but the article under discussion refers specifically to Ashkenazis, who do have a higher mean IQ than the people of any European majority country. And the reason is at least in part because of more frequent outbreeding (due to migration, either forced, e.g., from Nazi occupied Europe, or otherwise, e.g., from the Pale of Settlement to Moscow and Petersburg).

    Outbreeding results in a higher polygene score, hence the relationship between polygene score and IQ among Ashkenazis.

    But the group that must show the strongest relationship between polygene score and IQ will be the group born during and in the aftermath of WW2 who, if they were at the upper end of the intelligence spectrum, were likely to leave home to attend university where they most likely found a mate from some place other than their home town. Hence, among the children of the more intelligent portion of the population there will have been an elevated polygene score relative to that of the children of the less bright members of their community who went to work at the local mill or mine, and married the girl next door.

    So academic ability can lead to higher polygenic score among progeny, and higher polygenic score among progeny means less inbreeding depression and hence an increase in academic ability relative to the parental generation.

    So really nothing very interesting to note about the IQs of polygenic Ashkenazi Jews. And certainly it is false to infer that it proves Jews to have any special genes for intelligence.

  329. res says:
    @Lot

    Some data >> no data

    Can you suggest a better way to quantify the effect than OR?

    FUD gets really tiresome. Please try for a little more substance.

  330. annamaria says:
    @CanSpeccy

    CanSpeccy: “Poor Jews, constantly under attack for their power and prosperity …”

    In case you missed:

    Supremacist murderers:

    Mass murderers: https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

    Haters of the First Amendment and freedom of information: https://carolynyeager.net/sylvia-stolz-arrested-be-jailed-again-18-months-…-what

    Supporters of neo-Nazism: https://therealnews.com/stories/israel-is-arming-ukraines-blatantly-neo-nazi-militia-the-azov-battalion

    Seasoned war criminals: https://www.usslibertyveterans.org

    Leaders in organizing and promoting child-prostitution rings: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190524-israeli-who-headed-colombia-child-prostitution-ring-arrested-in-portugal/

    Happy dancers celebrating the deaths of Americans: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-role-in-9-11/#new_comments
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-role-in-9-11/#new_comments

  331. annamaria says:
    @AaronB

    Don’t cry for white people, AaronB. We are fine.
    Also, there is no need in equating yourself with Ron Unz.

  332. annamaria says:
    @CanSpeccy

    “thereby providing Jews with a secure homeland where those unable to assimilate to their diaspora residence, can safely and comfortably migrate.”

    — No. This is a fairy tale. What was the name of the Jewish Republic? — “The Jewish Autonomous Oblast (JAO), a federal subject of Russia in the Russian Far East, bordering Khabarovsk Krai and Amur Oblast in Russia and Heilongjiang province in China. Its administrative center is the town of Birobidzhan. … According to the 1989 Soviet Census, there were 8,887 Jews living in the JAO, or 4% of the total JAO population of 214,085.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

    Even in a very Jewish state of Israel, the sane Jews are looking for normal western counties for relocating; some former Soviet Jews even returned to Russia. It looks as if Jews do not like living among Jews (except Haredim — with their insane fanaticism and dirty secrets; see the scandalous pedophile stories in Brooklyn).

    While the Moldovan felon Lieberman and furniture salesperson Bibi make noises about the Jewish State for Jews only, there should be a returned favor in kind of a discussion about France for French people only (no Jews, Muslims, and sub-Saharan Africans need to apply), Germany for Germans, Italy for Italians, Spain for Spaniards and so forth.
    It would be totally logical (and fan) to apply to Jewish property in the EU/US the same rules that Israel applies to Palestinian property. It is hard to detect a normal intelligence (never mind superior intelligence) among the Israeli dealers.

    • Replies: @Lot
  333. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    I do not support HBD and I consider IQ research as a junk field of science, when compared to many others (though not all, history seems to be mainly lies, that is humanistic, but I also have some serious doubts of certain results in theoretical physics and that is science).

    This is good. Although you appeared supportive of the “science” of Lynn and Vanhanen, even suggesting, rather bizarrely, that Finnish police ratified and endorsed their research. Remember also that your first response to me (#261) was nothing short of apologetics for IQ research. In it, you proffered a hypothesis that I’ve encountered many times before in these environs, which has never made any sense, but which nevertheless is a key item in the repertoire of IQ pseudoscience. That is to say, that there are different standards of imbecility and functionality between Africans and other humans.

    You see, the IQists you were defending in that comment found themselves in a quandary. Too many people had gone to Africa. Too many Africans had gone overseas. Too much globalization, marriages, friendships, business partners, immigrants, students, adoptions, vacationers, etc. That being the case, the so-called research these charlatans were promulgating was at gross variance with reality. Nobody could reconcile the Africans of reality with the Africans of their “research.” So what do these pseudoscientists do? They came up with this ridiculous scheme whereby Africans can be perfectly functional while being technically retarded as per their “data.” In other words, even if Africans seem normal, they are actually abnormal. It’s preposterous, of course, and only true believers in HBD and IQist echo-chambers would give it any credence whatsoever — either out of sheer stupidity or sheer desperation to have their biases confirmed.

    You can only ascertain the intelligence of Africans against the frame of reference of the intelligence you are familiar with. So if Africans are exhibiting normative intelligence, they are doing so per the standard familiar to Lynn, Van Hanen, Rushton et al. Therefore, there are no different standards of intelligence that would make perfectly functional Africans actually functionally retarded. So the African IQ data circulated throughout Unz and other echo-chambers are fraudulent.

    What I meant is that if there had not been any scientific justification in the form of published papers stating the facts Lynn and Vanhanen write in their book, then the conclusion had certainly been that there were intentionally trying to incite racial hatred by spreading unfounded claims.

    No. It’s very difficult to prove intent. That literally entails reading someone’s mind. Moreover, under questioning Lynn and Vanhanen will strenuously deny being racists. The entire purpose of scientific racism since the 19th century has been to shield its practitioners from charges of racism.

    But as it was found that intentional effort to incite racial hatred could not be shown, it implies that the investigation showed that there were scientific papers supporting the claims in the book (as we know that there are).

    No, it doesn’t. The police begged off, stating correctly, that it was not a matter a police department could adjudicate. Furthermore, Vanhanen is a scientific racist. These are people who have a studied scholarly and professorial facade. He’s not some neo-Nazi with Hitler tattoos shouting from the street corner that he wants to burn Somalies in ovens. He could say or write that Africans have an IQ of 20 based on his “research” and as long as it is done in a dry, indifferent manner with an air of scientism, Finnish police can’t touch him.

  334. @Okechukwu

    “…They came up with this ridiculous scheme whereby Africans can be perfectly functional while being technically retarded as per their “data.” In other words, even if Africans seem normal, they are actually abnormal…”

    There is a difference between functionality and intelligence. If a culture is primitive, people of low intelligence can very well function in such a society, because it is so simple. Thus such people are “normal” in their own society. They will however be unable to function in a more complicated culture. Australian Aborigines with their average IQ of 62 are a good illustration of this fact. For about 60,000 years they managed to survive with their primitive culture in spite of their low IQ, but in white Australian society they cannot function. “Functionality” and “normalcy” can exist on different intellectual and cultural levels.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @j2
  335. @Okechukwu

    this joker links to a site that has Equatorial Guinea IQ at 59. … They would not be able to drive, brush their teeth, wipe their asses, …

    Well, to be fair, you probably wouldn’t want to turn on the tap and brush your teeth when the water has cholera…

    Equatorial Guinea cholera epidemic spreads

    Just had a thought… wait just a sec…

    Yep. Looks like there’s no tap to turn:

    Most houses are one-or two-room structures without electricity and indoor plumbing

    think straight or function even at very low level

    Would people who can’t think straight do this?

    John E. Bennett, the US ambassador to Equatorial Guinea, was accused of witchcraft while visiting the graves of British soldiers. After numerous death threats, he fled the country and thus ended U.S. relations with Equatorial Guinea for years

  336. @j2

    About 0.15% of European population are idiots

    Talk about a low-ball.

  337. annamaria says:
    @Okechukwu

    Okechukwu: “The entire purpose of scientific racism since the 19th century has been to shield its practitioners from charges of racism.”

    Okechukwu rested his case. Wakanda! Never mind that race-minding Okechukwu prefers to live among white people with a white woman and to speak white-people language and to study and communicate with white people.

    By the way, do you understand what you have written? “The entire purpose of scientific racism since the 19th century has been to shield its practitioners from charges of racism.” 1. Whose charges? 2. Since when numbers (facts) have become racist?

    You are just another purist of Stalinist kind. The Soviet purists (of agricultural leaning) had destroyed Soviet genetics in the 1950-s because genetics was “bourgeois” and because Mandel’s groundbreaking research represented “western fraudulent science” as compared to politically correct agricultural drivel.
    You are nothing new, Okechukwu.

  338. @j2

    Then he is perfectly normal…but still dopes poorly in the school

    They would do even better if they would stop doping completely.

  339. @Okechukwu

    even if Africans seem normal … if Africans are exhibiting normative intelligence

    They do?

  340. Lot says:
    @annamaria

    The Gallic French like their Jewish population. Many others throughout Europe have successfully assimilated and strengthened France. (Italians are probably the biggest group, but also Poles, Spanish, English, Russian, and German in large numbers.)

    Their problem is Islam/African/Gypsy.

    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @annamaria
  341. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump Is Said to Have Overruled Kushner and Other Aides in Threatening Mexico With Tariffs– https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/us/politics/trump-mexico-tariffs.html

    Jew might use it to tell us Kushner – a Jew doesn’t’t have power. We tell them Kushner has powers where his soul inetrctas with devil that is Israel— Creating Deal of the century, Giving WB .Jeruslam to israel, moving embassy and giving Golan to Israel. I am not inlcduing billions. That is taken care of by other Jews.

    Jewish intelligence is deep into lying and confusing .Our stupidity that we fall for it . In 1919 Zionst connived the world ( US France UK ) that “numerical majority doesn’t matter ” when powers that be were deciding the decry based solutions to Palestine. Brandies and chemist from Manchester told the obvious false stupid arguments ” Memory is more important memory of belonging to Jerusalem ”
    I guess the m only that made that stupidity possible.

    Right now NYT 6/2/2019 is sayin g the most powerful King in US is MBZ But doesn’t say how MbZ became . May be we should ask MbZ what he was remembering when he told MbS to court Israel if MbS wanted Saudi to have good review in US press and if he wanted to be the king (Middle East
    Monitor ) of Said Arab.

  342. Okechukwu says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    There is a difference between functionality and intelligence. If a culture is primitive, people of low intelligence can very well function in such a society, because it is so simple.

    The big problem with that theory is that neither you nor Hippopotamusdrome nor Annamaria nor Res nor any other race and IQ exponent is as intelligent as these people:

    Btw, the only “primitive” societies remaining on earth are the few isolated pockets of hunter-gatherer tribes in South America and India. As the videos above illustrate, these people are functioning in modernity.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  343. [[The 74-year-old president of Equatorial Guinea. ‘He eats his enemies’ testicles and brains’ The most evil dictator you’ve never heard of. HE strikes fear into the hearts of his countrymen – meet the most terrifying dictator in the world.]]
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/544364/Teodoro-Obiang-Nguema-Equatorial-Guinea-president-dictator-Africa-Mugabe

    [[Equatorial Guinea’s “President”.. Teodoro Obiang Nguema.. rumor has it he EATS powerful people to take on their power..
    But what makes this country so different from other repressed countries, is that Equatorial Guinea is rich. Like, really, really rich, all in thanks to black gold struck off the coast in the mid 1990’s. In terms of Gross Domestic Product per capita, it is the richest country in Africa; and with a GDP of $14.3 Billion, it is the 38th richest country per capita in the world.

    However, the riches of the government does not trickle down to the people of Equatorial Guinea. It is a country where 75% of the population live on less than $1 a day. ]]
    http://thewaterstrautwaterspout.blogspot.com/2017/03/government-week-equatorial-guinea.html

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  344. @Okechukwu

    Are they representative of the average of that country or of its cognitive elite ?

  345. conatus says:
    @Ancient Harvard Alum

    How about this version?
    Absolute numbers

    At Mangans a long ago website, a commenter said this about the right side of the bell curve, Jewish Americans and White Americans and absolute numbers.

    Anonymous said…

    “Jewish over-representation appears to be a function of more than just IQ.

    “For the sake of argument, let’s assume 200 million White Americans (IQ 100), 6 million Jewish Americans (IQ 115), Normal distribution at the tail ends of the distribution, standard deviations for both populations of 15. That would give us roughly 32 million White Americans with IQ 115 or higher vs 3 million Jewish Americans with IQ 115 or higher. For IQ 130 or higher it is 4.6 million vs 950,000. For IQ 145 it is 270,000 vs 137,000. For IQ 160 it is 6,340 vs 8,100. If it is only 105, IQ 160 would be 6,340 vs 1,400.”

    The average Harvard undergrads IQ is 130 and thus non-Jewish whites should dominate the Ivy League schools, however, that is not the case. Why?”

  346. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    I don’t doubt that the Askenazis have an above average IQ

    I don’t necessarily disagree. But by how much? When presenting the data, why is it always poor and distorted? And they just pull 112 out of their yarmukas. It’s as if they want to tell us that it makes perfect logical sense that they rule over us. Nothing to see here. We’re just THAT MUCH smarter than you billion goys. (Wasn’t this Jordan Peterson’s argument?)

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  347. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ancient Harvard Alum

    but the notion that there is some thumb on the scale in the admissions offices or from the presidents, provosts and deans of these schools strikes me as utterly ludicrous.

    Really? It’s all PURE MERIT?

    I wonder how they get away with it . . . whites like you help explain how they get away with it.

  348. Question: The average Harvard undergrads IQ is 130 and thus non-Jewish whites should dominate the Ivy League schools, however, that is not the case. Why?

    Answer: Nepotism.

    ALSO: Remember, the bell curve for IQ for Jews in the USA is not the same as the corresponding curve for Israel. Same when only Ashkenazi Jews are compared. This because in the Diaspora, Jewish losers can drop out of the parasite nation into the host nation, and conversely winners in the host nation can drop in to the parasite nation.

    (Lynn shows avg IQ for all Jews in Israel: 87, Ashkenazis: 103.)

    In the Diaspora, the Jewish nation has become parasitic – dependent a host to feed off. And there is none in Israel. So nepotism doesn’t work there to advance the national causes.

    In the Outlands, the parasite has always produced champions who worked their way into positions of power in the host, then used their position to benefit the parasite any way they could, including through nepotism. A system pioneered by Jacob with the Pharaoh of Egyt, and perfected by Esther with the King of Persia.
    Examples in the USA today, include Harvard, the Media, the Central Bank, and many more.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  349. TYPO: should say (Lynn shows avg IQ for all Jews in Israel: 97, Ashkenazis: 103.)

  350. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    But by how much?

    Who knows. But what would likely blow the Jewish claim to racial intellectual superiority out of the water is a look at IQs of non-Jews with the same sort of migratory cross-pollinated background. Getting a good match would be a challenge, but there are lots of immigrant groups to consider and, just as you would find many groups that have IQ test scores below the American mean, so you will surely find many that achieve scores well above the mean and likely better even than that of the Ashkenazis.

    But, in truth, the IQists don’t want to know. They are not real scientists. They are idealogues with a predetermined conclusion they intend to impose upon the public.

  351. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Professional Stranger

    Your assessment of the mechanisms of Jewish success in America and elsewhere is rather directly spoken, but probably about right. Thing is, that’s how all elites tend to work.

    That, for example, is how England’s Eton and Oxford crowd operate. For them, it is, or anyway used to be, that you were recognized as an OK person by your accent, which identified you as having been to a “public school”, which rather confusingly, meant that you had actually been to an expensive (about $60,000 a year in fees alone) private boarding school.

    And like the Jews, the English elite gain IQ points by bringing bright commoners into the group through marriage, and shedding losers who simply ceased to be elite for lack of funds to send their kids to “public” school, which until recently, was the chief route to Oxford and Cambridge, which in turn, were and probably still are the chief routes into the upper ranks of the legal, banking, and media professions and the top ranks of the Civil Service.

    There is a key difference between elite Jews and members of most indigenous elites, however, in as much as the Jews seem obsessed with the notion that they are victims of an eternal goy mental disease of anti-Semitism. Thus they have little positive concern for the natives among whom they live, seeking, so far as possible, to keep charitable giving and advantageous opportunities within their own group.

    Today, increasingly, in America, Jews do marry out, but like Ivanka Trump, those thus brought within the tribe normally convert. Given the widely held Jewish sense of belonging to a beleaguered and oppressed minority, Jews seem to feel justified in doing anything that is profitable, for example porn, gambling, addictive social media, however much is screws up the native culture. In this respect they differ, at least in degree, from indigenous elites who tend to have some sense of obligation to the nation at large.

  352. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    what building did Europe have in 800 AD? Roman Architecture and Greek pillars. Anything else ? May be they are in Danube and Thames waiting to be discovered.

    • Replies: @res
  353. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    In 1923 ,the criminals and the prostitutes in NY City were 2/3 Jewish also.

  354. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “That is to say, that there are different standards of imbecility and functionality between Africans and other humans. ”

    You frame it sound offensive and racistic, when it is simply a statement that environmental factors affect measured intelligence scores.

    Look at this:
    (individual) IQ = genetic IQ + environmental IQ
    so it follows that
    national IQ = average genetic IQ + average environ. IQ

    We can also write this as

    (individual) IQ = national IQ + (genetic IQ – average genetic IQ) + (environ. IQ – average environ. IQ)

    What is know is that inside a population the term (genetic IQ – average genetic IQ) is about 60-80%
    of the total IQ variation, from which follows that the term (environ. IQ – ave. environ IQ) is about 20-40% in Western societies where these measurements are largely done. The environment does not matter as much as genes in these societies, as these societies give rather good opportunities to most people to learn and study. We can have societies where the environment is much more unequal and then it matters much more. Twin studies have shown this 60-80% figure, so it is correct in Western societies. These studies show nothing of the absolute value of the average environmental IQ.

    Lynn and Vanhanen studies have shown that national IQs, as measured by IQ tests, differ and that GNP and other similar measures correlate with the national IQ. I accept these studies as fairly reliable. These studies do not in any way explain why the national IQs differ.

    There are PISA results from African countries and they show poor educational achievement results. They correlate with national IQ, which is a sum of average genetic IQ and average environmental IQ.

    What PISA, Lynn and Vanhanen, twin studies, and GWAS studies do not show is what creates the absolute value of the average environmental IQ. It is influenced by the level of education in the country and this level correlates with many other measures. It is environmental and can be improved.

    Now I come to your formulation “there are different standards of imbecility and functionality between Africans and other humans”. It is basically a question of the average environmental IQ of these countries in Africa.

    The environmental difference is a major reason why a certain IQ score in Africa need not mean that a person is an imbecile, though it would mean it in a Western European country. If the educational system in a country is very poor, the average environmental IQ is low. Then the national IQ score is low and a deviation of 1SD goes to the imbecile scale if compared to the Western European scale. It does not in any way follow that the person getting this low IQ score has a genetic IQ on an imbecile level. It only means that he lives in an underdeveloped country and has a very low environmental IQ score. Now you have this observation that an imbecile level IQ score in Africa does not mean the same as an imbecile level IQ score in Europe and it is in no way racistic.

    Yet, I do think there is some genetic component also, but it can be a smaller factor.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  355. j2 says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    ““…They came up with this ridiculous scheme whereby Africans can be perfectly functional while being technically retarded as per their “data.” In other words, even if Africans seem normal, they are actually abnormal…”

    There is a difference between functionality and intelligence. If a culture is primitive, people of low intelligence can very well function in such a society, because it is so simple. Thus such people are “normal” in their own society. They will however be unable to function in a more complicated culture. Australian Aborigines with their average IQ of 62 are a good illustration of this fact. For about 60,000 years they managed to survive with their primitive culture in spite of their low IQ, but in white Australian society they cannot function. “Functionality” and “normalcy” can exist on different intellectual and cultural levels.

    This is one way it could be, but purely environmental factors can explain it also quite well. The culture where we live gives most of our intelligence. Thompson posted a fast IQ test, correctly read English words. It is purely cultural, yet correlates with other IQ tests. If you have never heard those words, you cannot know how to read them. The same is with completing series, all verbal tests, and you learn to recognize Chinese writing symbols fast you develop better in tests with picture puzzles. So, our IQ is largely environmental, even though the intelligence differences inside a population are mainly genetic. This is not any contradiction. People from a different environment have a different starting level. I have no doubt that Europeans 2000 BC would have got much lower IQ results in modern IQ tests, and yet their genetics may not have differed that much from us. If the culture largely determines the average IQ score level, then an idiot is about 4.5 SD below the average. Thus, if the average IQ of a country is 70, then IQ score 30 is 2.7SD below the average, corresponding to an European IQ level 60, a debile, not an idiot. Not abnormal appearing normal. That would be a quite normal person who can brush his teeth, only clearly less intelligent than the average. (probably the SD should be less than 15, but I ignore it here)

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  356. annamaria says:
    @Lot

    “The Gallic French like their Jewish population.”
    — Is this why the zionized French courts put people in prison for honest research in WWII? All while the Jewish State has been arming Ukrainian neo-Nazis.

    The wealthy mediocrity Bernard-Henri Lévy (who presents himself as being an “intellectual”) and other French zionists have been the most eager cheerleaders for the wars of aggression in the Middle East. The same PC-“intellectuals” have been demanding open borders in the EU — but not for the Jewish State.

    Qaddafi, the highly able ruler of Libya who converted the country into a gem of North Africa, warned about sub-Saharan invasion to Europe if Libya is destroyed. But the French Jews knew better. See the crimes against humanity committed in the Middle East according to the subhuman plans of Bernard Lewis and Oded Yinon against the native populations of Middle East.

  357. res says:
    @anon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanesque_architecture#Origins

    This looks like the most appropriate example to respond to your point.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatine_Chapel,_Aachen

    Charlemagne began the construction of the Palatine Chapel around 792, along with the building of the rest of the palace structures.[3] It was consecrated in 805 by Pope Leo III in honour of the Virgin Mary. The building is a centrally planned, domed chapel. The east end had a square apse, and was originally flanked by two basilican structures, now lost but known through archaeology. The chapel was entered through a monumental atrium, to the west. The plan and decoration of the building combines elements of Classical, Byzantine and Pre-Romanesque, and opulent materials as the expression of a new royal house, ruled by Charlemagne.

  358. @j2

    have no doubt that Europeans 2000 BC would have got much lower IQ results

    If Modern Humans Are So Smart, Why Are Our Brains Shrinking?

  359. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    You frame it sound offensive and racistic, when it is simply a statement that environmental factors affect measured intelligence scores.

    First let’s have credible data. This entire presentation you are making is based on fake, fabricated data. No one knows what the IQ of Equatorial Guinea is. Developmentally disabled Spanish children certainly do not provide a viable proxy for the people of Equatorial Guinea. Real Equatorial Guinea IQ could be 110 for all you know. The same applies to every other African country. No one has done a viable, credible, large sample size, culturally neutral IQ study of any African country. That’s primarily because every person or organization that is real is uninterested in this silly topic given that OBVIOUSLY, INTELLIGENCE AND RACE/ETHNICITY ARE UNCONNECTED. So the field is abandoned to racists, charlatans, quacks, white supremacists and the like whose motives are ideological rather than scientific.

    What is know is that inside a population the term (genetic IQ – average genetic IQ) is about 60-80%

    I don’t care if intelligence is 99% genetic. Fact is, the HBDers and IQists on this thread aren’t as smart as the Equatorial Guineans depicted in the videos. The mathematical percentage of human intelligence that is actuated by genetics is irrelevant. If the interface of genetics and environment is 80-20, that’s going to apply to Equatorial Guinea as well.

    Lynn and Vanhanen studies have shown that national IQs, as measured by IQ tests, differ and that GNP and other similar measures correlate with the national IQ. I accept these studies as fairly reliable

    I can just as easily create an inverse correlation using Lynn/Vanhanen data and highlighting the high IQ and low GDP per capita of countries such as Russia, Mongolia, China, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Slovakia, Slovenia, Poland, Uruguay, Bulgaria, Armenia, Khazakstan, Georgia, Cambodia, Vietnam. Frankly, there are too many to name.

    IQ and the Wealth of Nations is not a serious scientific document. A 4 year old could pick it apart. Did you say you are a college professor? Fascinating.

    There are PISA results from African countries and they show poor educational achievement results.

    You wish.

    Only two North African countries participated in PISA 2015 (Algeria and Tunisia). No Sub-Saharan African countries participated. This is similar to participation levels for African countries in TIMSS 2015.

    https://blogs.worldbank.org/education/latest-pisa-results-seven-key-takeaways

    It is basically a question of the average environmental IQ of these countries in Africa.

    This is stupid beyond words. What the hell is environmental IQ? You’re starting to make shit up as you go.

    The environmental difference is a major reason why a certain IQ score in Africa need not mean that a person is an imbecile, though it would mean it in a Western European country.

    Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Africans perform just fine in Europe and America, even those Africans plucked right out of villages that don’t have running water and electricity. They assimilate the culture, language and customs and perform just as well and often better than the natives.

    Let’s stick to reality.

    Now you have this observation that an imbecile level IQ score in Africa does not mean the same as an imbecile level IQ score in Europe and it is in no way racistic.

    Nonsense. An imbecile is an imbecile everywhere on the planet. If there had been white imbeciles in the Equatorial Guinea videos, you would have noticed immediately that they were imbeciles relative to the black people of Equatorial Guinea. Even in a hunter-gatherer society with people wearing loincloth, an imbecile is not going to be able to function. That society, in fact, would require greater functionality, in which case imbecility would probably be a death sentence. How long would white people with intellectual disabilities survive among the San people of the Kalahari? Not very long unless the San took very good care of them and saw to their every need.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  360. j2 says:

    “Only two North African countries participated in PISA 2015 (Algeria and Tunisia). No Sub-Saharan African countries participated. This is similar to participation levels for African countries in TIMSS 2015.”

    You are right about PISA, but Unesco has looked at the issue. I copied a small text:

    Results from regional assessments indicate poor learning outcomes in sub-Saharan Africa. This is confirmed by national assessments. For instance, since 1999, Uganda has carried out five assessments to determine overall achievement levels in grades 3 and 6 in English literacy and in numeracy. Fewer than half the pupils reached defined competency levels in English literacy, although achievement levels have improved over time. Achievement levels innumeracy have fluctuated or declined.
    https://en.unesco.org/gem-report/sites/gem-report/files/157229E.pdf

    So, it is as it is known to be. It is largely environmental, which covers poor schools, poor nutrition, poor health, all these things that are not genetic.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  361. @jeff stryker

    Genetics have proven the Khazarian hypothesis to be true.

    https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/5/1/61/728117

    “Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis depicting a large Near Eastern–Caucasus ancestry along with Southern European, Middle Eastern, and Eastern European ancestries….”

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  362. @davidgmillsatty

    DAVID

    To look at Eastern European Jews like Rosanne Bar, Leonard Nimoy or Steven Seagal that would seem possible.

    There is something Asiatic about them.

    Rosanne Barr (Russian Jew) plays white trailer trash but I have seen Northern Turks and if you put her in Northern Turkey or Russia she would fit right in.

    Leonard Nimoy, prior to playing Spock, played Native Americans in early Western television (Never Jews). He looks Asiatic.

    Steven Seagal has claimed that his grandfather was from Mongolia, though his grandparents were Russian Jews. Nevertheless, he does look vaguely Asiatic.

  363. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “Only two North African countries participated in PISA 2015 (Algeria and Tunisia). No Sub-Saharan African countries participated. This is similar to participation levels for African countries in TIMSS 2015.”

    I looked for you a reference that shows PISA results of sub-Saharan Africans (Somalies) compared to other immigrants to Finland. Go to the page 42 in the governmental report:
    https://www.vtv.fi/app/uploads/2018/06/15103549/maahanmuuttajaoppilaat-perusopetuksen-tuloksellisuus.pdf

    Though the report is in Finnish, this picture should be quite readable. In general immigrants in Finland do worse than the native pupils in PISA, but Somalies do still worse than immigrant children from Viro (Estonia), Ruotsi (Sweden), Venaja (Russia). The first pillar is 1. generation immigrant, the second is 2. generation immigrant (born in Finland). We can see that immigrants from China and Thai (Kiina ja Thaimaa) do better, while second generation Somalies approach Turkey (Turkki) and former Yugoslavia. Matematiikka is mathematics, Lukutaito is reading. Much of this difference is caused by the worse performance of girls from Somalia, Turkey and former Yugoslavia. There are quite many of these kind of results also for PISA, though OECD usually does not like to show the countries of origin, but here you have. Naturally much of the PISA score difference between immigrants and natives is environmental, but some is genetic, which is shown by countries with selective immigration, like Singapore, where only very bright Chinese immigrate and the PISA score is increased by immigrants. Finland has taken refugees for humanitarian reasons and no requirements were put on them, so they should be close to the average of the countries. You tend to point to the very competent Blacks, who immigrate for improved life conditions, but they are not representative of the country. You see very good immigrants migrating to Australia, Canada, New Zealand (which have a selective immigration policy), to Macao and Singapore (the best from the large Chinese population) and so on. But such data does not show country averages. Humanitarian immigration policy just takes normal people who for some reason ended up to very difficult situations, that should be closer to the average.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Okechukwu
  364. res says:
    @j2

    If you want historical information about how selective immigration is to/from given countries and between country pairs this is a good source.
    https://www.iab.de/en/daten/iab-brain-drain-data.aspx

    They distinguish between three groups by education (more information on their methods in the methodological note).

    Educational categories. We distinguish three levels of education: primary (low skilled: includes lower secondary, primary and no schooling); secondary (medium skilled: high-school leaving certificate or equivalent) and tertiary education (high skilled: higher than high-school leaving certificate or equivalent).

    • Replies: @j2
  365. j2 says:
    @res

    Thanks res, I’ll look at it. Countries have different policies when taking immigrants. OECD divides them into classes. Finland is in the humanitarian class, e.g. Germany takes low paid workers, Australia want more Terence Taos.

    When checking this PISA of African immigrants, I noticed one thing that may interest you.

    OECD has been collecting statistics of how immigrant children do at school compared to natives. Usually immigrants do worse, for natural reasons, though in some special countries they do better. The country of interest is Israel. Israel is one of the very few countries where second generation immigrants do as well as non-immigrants. As the data is only some years old, we can calculate that second generation children are not much over 16, the test is PISA, administered at 16. Thus, their parents would be some 40-45 years old and born abroad. That takes us back to 1970s and the majority of these immigrants to Israel must be Russian Jews of the 1980s. They were Ashkenazi Jews, so if they had an IQ of 110, while Israel has the national IQ of 94, then you would expect that the second generation immigrants would do better than non-immigrants. Allowing that immigrants do still a bit worse, precisely 6 points worse from an OECD report, we would estimate that these Russian Jews had an IQ of 100. A typical European value, a bit higher than Russian, but well corresponding to a better educated minority.

    If so, the explanation for any genetically higher IQ of US Ashkenazi Jews would have to be selective immigration to the USA. For the time 1924-1939 when there were IQ tests for immigrants, assuming that 900,000 Soviet and Baltic Jews did immigrate to the USA via a third country, they would have had to pass the IQ test which screens under 100 and leaves an average 110 if applied to a normal distribution N(100,15).

    • Replies: @res
  366. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    For instance, since 1999, Uganda has carried out five assessments to determine overall achievement levels in grades 3 and 6 in English literacy and in numeracy. Fewer than half the pupils reached defined competency levels in English literacy, although achievement levels have improved over time.

    English? Seriously? You do realize that English is not the native tongue in Uganda, right? It might actually be a third or fourth language for most people there. This is actually a testament to the high-level intelligence of Ugandans.

    Uganda certainly has a much higher level of English competency than China. And approximately ZERO percent of Europeans speak the Ugandan languages.

    • Replies: @j2
  367. res says:
    @j2

    Thanks for the OECD pointer. Is this the reference, or did you have something else in mind?
    https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/9789264288041-5-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/9789264288041-5-en

    Much of your selective immigration analysis makes sense, but I don’t think any IQ testing done for US immigration would have had a threshold of 100. It was more designed to screen out the “feeble minded.” If you look at the test in the first link you can see how low the bar was.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/puzzle-given-ellis-island-immigrants-test-intelligence-180962779/
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230435620_Intelligence_Tests_and_Immigration_to_the_United_States_1900-1940

    • Replies: @j2
  368. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “English? Seriously? You do realize that English is not the native tongue in Uganda, right? It might actually be a third or fourth language for most people there. This is actually a testament to the high-level intelligence of Ugandans.”

    There is nothing ridiculous in that piece of text from the Unesco report. In Uganda people study foreign languages, so they do in many European countries and it is not a sign of high-level intelligence but of the importance of the knowledge of foreign languages for those whose native language is not a world-known language like English and Chinese. Natives of the internationally important languages can quite well manage by knowing only them. When I was in the school, after Finnish and Swedish, I had English as the third and German as the fourth language, and later I learned French, Russian and Polish. I did study some Spanish, but that I have forgotten. It for some reason never came to my mind to study Ugandan, though I even studied some Esperanto as a child. So, that is not a special sign of high intelligence, it is what you do in small countries, study much.

    But about the educational achievements in a typical European country. Almost all kids in my class passed the defined competence levels in all three foreign languages Swedish, English and German. That is the usual case in all European countries. Nowhere in Europe does half fail the defined level in any topic in the curriculum. That is a very poor level.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  369. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    but Somalies do still worse than immigrant children from Viro (Estonia), Ruotsi (Sweden), Venaja (Russia).

    I suppose you think Somalis represent all of Africa. And I suppose you also think that if they are doing poorly now, that means they will do poorly forever. That’s Res-level stupidity.

    You don’t think there might be other, non-genetic reasons Somalis are underperforming? You’ve exhausted all other possibilities? That too is Res-level stupidity.

    Naturally much of the PISA score difference between immigrants and natives is environmental, but some is genetic

    Where’s your proof?

    Is this genetic too?

    African immigrants are more educated than most — including people born in U.S.

    While many are refugees, large numbers are beneficiaries of the “diversity visa program” aimed at boosting immigration from underrepresented nations. And on average, African immigrants are better educated that people born in the U.S. or the immigrant population as a whole.

    Batalova’s research found that of the 1.4 million who are 25 and older, 41% have a bachelor’s degree, compared with 30% of all immigrants and 32% of the U.S.-born population. Of the 19,000 U.S. immigrants from Norway — a country Trump reportedly told lawmakers is a good source of immigrants — 38% have college educations.

    That report also found that African immigrants were significantly more likely to have graduate degrees. A total of 16% had a master’s degree, medical degree, law degree or a doctorate, compared with 11% of the U.S.-born population, Lim said.

    https://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-global-african-immigrants-explainer-20180112-story.html

    Keep in mind that there are three ways to legally enter the United States, either via chain migration (sponsored by a family member already in the country) or the Visa lottery or as a refugee. Neither of these schemes is able to select for the best and brightest. The whole brain drain thing is a canard pushed by such idiots as Res.

    Further, Res and other white nationalists have a talking point that claims that these Africans arrive already credentialed and degreed. Of course, that’s false. African immigrants matriculate in the United States and obtain their credentials and degrees in the United States. Further still, their American-born children are even more successful than they are.

    You tend to point to the very competent Blacks, who immigrate for improved life conditions, but they are not representative of the country.

    Really? I posted videos of very competent Equatorial Guineans who were operating in Equatorial Guinea. They were not immigrants by any stretch of the imagination.

    Regarding immigrants, it’s interesting how your views harmonize perfectly with racist pseudoscience canon. It goes something like this: If African immigrants are doing poorly there must be at least a partial genetic explanation (without any proof, of course). But if African immigrants are doing well then it’s due to selective immigration.

    • Replies: @j2
  370. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    But about the educational achievements in a typical European country. Almost all kids in my class passed the defined competence levels in all three foreign languages Swedish, English and German. That is the usual case in all European countries. Nowhere in Europe does half fail the defined level in any topic in the curriculum. That is a very poor level.

    Just being exposed to American movies and TV shows should give a boost to English proficiency. That’s how foreigners learn English in the United States, and the younger they are the easier it is. American culture is dominant in Europe. You cannot compare that to Ugandan villagers who may not even have TV’s.

    Also, there is a big difference between scholastic competence in a language and conversational fluency. As a frequent traveler to Europe, I can assure you that the claimed English competency in these European countries does not necessarily translate to them being able to hold a conversation in English. Some can but most can’t. Ugandans would probably do better in that regard on average.

  371. j2 says:
    @res

    Sure, but I remember that a very large fraction of native Americans were feeble minded according to that test, besides immigrants, not knowing the language well, are rather feeble minded. Maybe it was a joke, maybe not, cannot remember.

    Anyway, it is also true that during Czar’s time educated Jews left for the USA as they lost guaranteed jobs in the governmental service, so selective immigration, which Lynn gave as the reason, is a very natural cause for any genetic higher intelligence.

  372. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “I suppose you think Somalis represent all of Africa. And I suppose you also think that if they are doing poorly now, that means they will do poorly forever. That’s Res-level stupidity.”

    No, I do not. Finland has also PISA data from Africans from Congo. Other European countries have PISA data from some other African groups. I am not interested enough to dig it up for you and much of the data is not given in a nice summary form, you would need to ask for the raw data. But there is some data. Countries collect such data in order to help children to learn and to help immigrants to assimilate. It has nothing to do with racism.

    “You don’t think there might be other, non-genetic reasons Somalis are underperforming? You’ve exhausted all other possibilities? That too is Res-level stupidity.”

    As I have several times commented, mostly the difference is environmental.

    “Naturally much of the PISA score difference between immigrants and natives is environmental, but some is genetic
    Where’s your proof?
    Is this genetic too?”

    PISA scores reflect intelligence. Intelligence is influenced by environmental and genetic factors. Some can be very small, even zero, if you want to claim so. I do not make such unfounded claims, I say some.

    “African immigrants are more educated than most — including people born in U.S.”
    One cannot be very intelligent if one wants to immigrate to the USA. I have lived in the States, I did not find Americans being very interested in studying, that may explain your observation.

    “The whole brain drain thing is a canard pushed by such idiots as Res.
    Further, Res and other white nationalists have a talking point that claims that these Africans arrive already credentialed and degreed. Of course, that’s false. African immigrants matriculate in the United States and obtain their credentials and degrees in the United States. Further still, their American-born children are even more successful than they are.”

    So, why do you write to me, write to Res if you oppose his opinions.

    “You tend to point to the very competent Blacks, who immigrate for improved life conditions, but they are not representative of the country.
    Really? I posted videos of very competent Equatorial Guineans who were operating in Equatorial Guinea. They were not immigrants by any stretch of the imagination.”

    But you also mentioned how good are some African scientists in the USA. They were immigrants. You can make a video of reasonably intelligent people from exactly any country.

    “Regarding immigrants, it’s interesting how your views harmonize perfectly with racist pseudoscience canon. It goes something like this: If African immigrants are doing poorly there must be at least a partial genetic explanation (without any proof, of course). But if African immigrants are doing well then it’s due to selective immigration.”

    In most countries immigrants from any country are doing worse than the natives in educational achievement tests, with a few exceptions which apply selective immigration. And this is not only of Africans, if is of all immigrants, even Chinese.

    The largest group of African immigrants in Finland are Somalies. A much large fraction of them are unemployed. Second generation Somalies are doing worse in the school than other second generation immigrants. They have the same Finnish school. The same environment. It strongly suggests that the reason is partially genetic.

    Immigration from third world countried to the USA is selective. Equatorial Guinea is a country with the highest Gini index meaning it is the most unequal country in the world. The upper class there is very rich and has very good possibilities for everything, including education. These people do not represent the majority of that country and should not be taken as examples. You should take the average person. As you Africans are so smart, why do you not fix the things in Africa. I was in Mali once. A local guide wanted to explain to us their problems. The reason she gave why it was so bad was “we have too many stupid people”. It is you who made the mess there, not us.

    This discussion is useless, let’s stop it now.

  373. Factorize says:

    It is highly disappointing that the discussion continued to be focused on a unidimensional assessment of identity. I will be very interested in research that locates “peoples” in a high dimensional space including such axes as: intelligence, autistic spectrum, depression etc. We could then finally have a firm basis for discussing differences that have been difficult to talk about without resorting to debatable stereotypes or denying such differences based on social justice theory..

  374. @j2

    how good are some African scientists in the USA

    Why are you taking it so seriously lol there aren’t many of them, and if there are, their achievements are obviously glorified and boosted by their complexion.

  375. res says:
    @j2

    So, why do you write to me, write to Res if you oppose his opinions.

    Because he does not like how it turns out when he tries to engage with me. Review any of the exchanges between me and Okechukwu to see why ; )

    The ad hominems and misrepresentations (e.g. I am not a white nationalist) are getting tiresome though. Perhaps it is time for another smackdown of Okechukwu? This is one of my favorites of that genre: http://www.unz.com/jthompson/piffer-kicks-against-the-pricks/#comment-3199695

    P.S. If you are expecting anything more than ad hominems and untruths out of Okechukwu, well, don’t get your hopes up.

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  376. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    Finland has also PISA data from Africans from Congo.

    Are those refugees with little formal education? Try actual African primary and secondary school students. Those programs are rigorous and many of them world-class.

    Try these students:

    http://www.stgeorges.co.zw/

    Or these students:

    https://www.ckconitsha.org/

    Their Finnish peers are not going to outperform them.

    As I have several times commented, mostly the difference is environmental.

    You indicated that some of the difference was genetic, without any proof. You should not assume that if there is a genetic advantage that it’s going to be to the benefit of Finns rather than Congolese. Given the rich genetic diversity in Africa, I would expect the smartest humans to be found there.

    PISA scores reflect intelligence.

    PISA scores reflect education. Why can’t you see that? And you’re a college professor in Finland? Your posts reflect a very poor standard, far from an outstanding example of the Finnish educational establishment.

    But you also mentioned how good are some African scientists in the USA.

    No, I didn’t. There are some excellent African scientists but I didn’t mention them.

    Immigration from third world countried to the USA is selective.

    Nope. There isn’t some finite quantity of intelligent people, all of whom just happen to emigrate overseas. Immigration is always going to encompass a cross-section of the population and not some cognitive elite. As I’ve explained to you, given the way the United States immigration system is structured, it cannot select for intelligence. As someone of Nigerian descent, I know that the overwhelming majority of the smartest Nigerians are in Nigeria. They cannot immigrate willy nilly. It’s an arduous undertaking, even with a sponsor in the United States. Without a sponsor, it’s just about impossible, even for an Einstein-level genius. In immigration, the imbecile with a sponsor has a much better chance than the genius without one.

    These people do not represent the majority of that country and should not be taken as examples.

    Now your racism is showing. The videos depict people going about normal, routine tasks. If it were a video of Finns performing similar tasks, you would not say that they are some sort of outliers. Virtually 100% of the Equatorial Guinea population can perform the tasks depicted in the videos. — with proper training, if needed.

    I’ve actually traveled to Equatorial Guinea. I’ve also met their representatives in the USA. The people are perfectly normal. There’s no difference in intelligence between them and Americans or Europeans or Asians. Further, their business practices are absolutely above board, pristine and clean.

    As you Africans are so smart, why do you not fix the things in Africa. I was in Mali once. A local guide wanted to explain to us their problems. The reason she gave why it was so bad was “we have too many stupid people”. It is you who made the mess there, not us.

    Africa isn’t my problem to fix. You’re actually a European. Why don’t you fix Europe’s problems, of which there are countless multitudes? Your Mali anecdote is cute, though. That’s the same country that had an advanced civilization while Finland was a barbaric backwater.

    Mali Empire

    The Mali Empire (1240-1645 CE) of West Africa was founded by Sundiata Keita (r. 1230-1255 CE) following his victory over the kingdom of Sosso (c. 1180-1235 CE). Sundiata’s centralised government, diplomacy and well-trained army permitted a massive military expansion which would pave the way for a flourishing of the Mali Empire, making it the largest yet seen in Africa. The reign of Mansa Musa I (1312-1337 CE) saw the empire reach new heights in terms of territory controlled, cultural fluorescence, and the staggering wealth brought through Mali’s control of regional trade routes. Acting as a middle-trader between North Africa via the Sahara desert and the Niger River to the south, Mali exploited the traffic in gold, salt, copper, ivory, and slaves that crisscrossed West Africa.

    https://www.ancient.eu/Mali_Empire/

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  377. Okechukwu says:
    @res

    LOL. Dumb-dumb white nationalist Res thinks he actually wins debates.

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  378. j2 says:
    @res

    “P.S. If you are expecting anything more than ad hominems and untruths out of Okechukwu, well, don’t get your hopes up.”

    I do not expect anything any more. The good old times of Unz when there were good commenters like Beefcake, FKA max and Iris are long gone. (But let’s say, there were also very nasty trolls at that time.) Now this is basically just a waste of time. But I am nicer to people who may not be so able to make useful comments than to those who I expect should be capable but do not.

  379. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “Are those refugees with little formal education? Try actual African primary and secondary school students. Those programs are rigorous and many of them world-class.

    Try these students:

    http://www.stgeorges.co.zw/

    Or these students:

    https://www.ckconitsha.org/

    Their Finnish peers are not going to outperform them.”

    This is exactly what I mean. You refer to elite schools. In Finland schools are all similar. The PISA results are from quite normal schools. They have quite normal pupils, not any brighter than in any other school. Compare the African average level with the Finnish average level.

    And your belief that Finland was any more barbaric than the Mali Empire in 1250-1645 CE is incorrect. Hint, in that time Finland was the eastern part of a country called Sweden. But the Mali Empire was a slave trade center and that brings us back to one of the real causes of the problems in Africa: the slave trade. It was started by African kings, like these from Mali. Selling their own or enslaved people to Arabic slave traders, then to European colonalists. That was barbaric.

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  380. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    I invite anyone to check out those debates and decide for themselves. The link above in comment 382 provides a good example. http://www.unz.com/jthompson/piffer-kicks-against-the-pricks/#comment-3199695

    Okechukwu is too dumb to realize that when someone references an academic paper they are not just referring to the abstract (though I guess that makes sense coming from someone who probably never reads past the abstract).

    And that is just the start of his cluelessness.

    P.S. And notice that Okechukwu’s comment’s sole content is a lying ad hominem.

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  381. Svigor says:

    Ashkenazi Jews—Jews whose ancestors settled in Eastern Europe—have the highest average IQ of any race in the world, estimated to be about 112

    Do we have a good cite for this yet? I’ve yet to see a study that has a decent sample size, includes the Israeli Ashkenazi population, and coughs up a mean as high as 112.

    Also, the practice of assigning the Ashkenazi mean to Jews in general is way past its sell-by date, so can HBDorks please start calling it out?

  382. Svigor says:
    @HallParvey

    Lots of stupid people don’t know that many, if not most, words have multiple definitions.

    E.g., White has several definitions, even if you only count the ones that have to do with human populations (in no particular order):

    1. The American legal category. Basically amounted to if you were Caucasoid enough to legally qualify.
    2. Autochthonous European.
    3. Caucausoid (i.e., Europeans, plus SWANA (SW Asia North Africa) populations, Subcontinentals, etc.).
    4. A developing race made of the blending of European populations in European colonies (USA, Australia, Canada, etc).
    5. The constituent populations of White Nationalism.
    6. People who consider themselves White.

    Etc.

    Jews don’t qualify for 2 or 5. They can be reasonably excluded from 4. A great many exclude themselves from 6.

    Oops.

  383. Svigor says:
    @Ron Unz

    One possibility is that the cultural or soci0-economic effect in question was suppressing Jewish scores, and was subsequently removed.

    Another is that IQ testing got better (worse?) over time. Maybe IQ testing itself became more (less?) accurate, or the surveys of Jews got better (worse?) over time (bigger sample sizes, etc.), etc.

    Another is that Jewish populations got smarter via immigration: more of the smarter Jewish populations immigrated, so that they came to represent a larger fraction of the whole.

    Another is that the White population got dumber over that time (via, say, immigration of dumber White populations), meaning the White 100 IQ “norm” was more a moving target than a “norm.” Doesn’t seem likely, but…

  384. Svigor says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    By “IQist” he means IQ fetishist: the people who tend to overestimate the importance of IQ, which is one of the better-quantified cognitive markers (I’d say the best), over other behavioral factors like conscientiousness, impulsiveness, extraversion, etc, which are far less quantified and studied. This is a bad idea, because possessing a good tool is far less important than possessing the will to use it; a dull sword in the hand of a hero is far more deadly than a sharp one in the hand of a coward.

    And I’m no IQ fetishist, not even a true HBD guy, much less a quant, but I’m really fucking tired of the “I kno sum dumbass dude with a high IQ” shit. IQ ain’t enough to make a fetish out of, but it beats the shit out of some grug’s biased anecdotal evidence.

  385. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    Well, if we’re going on about how IQ works, don’t men cluster well above women in very high IQ results, and very well below them in very low results, and wind up with a very similar mean?

  386. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    I didn’t read the article, but to hazard a wild guess, based on its headline and your ethnicity:

    1. The point is to guess how much of the Jewish advantage is owed to genes.
    2. It gets an estimate of Jewish IQ from somewhere (and, as an aside, if history is any guide, it’s a shitty estimate).
    3. Your point about the point of the article is pilpul.

  387. Svigor says:
    @Lot

    Re Koreans, I honestly don’t find that point at all persuasive. East Asians are passive, conformist, and rarely a source of innovation, leadership, or entrepreneurship. In other words, I’m not an IQ fetishist, so I don’t put it all down to IQ: I’m pretty sure there are a lot of other factors involved.

    It’s like what Rushton talked about with black personality, and how it confounded whites’ expectations about black intelligence. Blacks can be quite gregarious and outgoing, and IQs that indicate retardation in whites are normal for them, so many whites tend to be overly skeptical of the black-white IQ gap.

  388. Svigor says:
    @Ron Unz

    To be fair: in my experience, none of the averages we’re referring to, for any group, represent all that intelligent an individual from the perspective of someone at the far right end of the IQ bell curve. I.e., to someone with a 130+ IQ, someone with an IQ of 108, 110, 112, or 115 isn’t impressive. In fact, they’re probably rather boring.

  389. Svigor says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In my experience, your hypothesis (bravery in the face of the left, or anything else for that matter, strongly correlates with bravery in the face of the Jews) is not borne out by reality.

    Bravery in the face of the Jews is its own thing.

    P.S., bravery in the face of the Jews is probably not the best way of putting it, because in practice it’s mostly bravery in the face of the indoctrinated goy’s revulsion at “ANTI-SEMITISM!!!” Jew power is almost all leveraged goy power.

  390. Svigor says:
    @Blake

    They’re something like 55 or 60% European and 45 or 40% Levantine. So, it depends on your definition of White. I don’t use the “White = Caucasoid” construction often; I typically use “White” to mean “European,” so Levantines like Lebanese, Syrians, Jews, etc., don’t qualify. I don’t use it to mean “majority White ancestry,” either. If that’s what I mean, that’s what I say.

    Most WNs agree. And I think it’s only fair that White Nationalists, and adjacent groups, get to define Whiteness, what with us being the only people who actually give a fuck about Whites and their future.

  391. Svigor says:
    @dimples

    Good Lord no. Mandatory aliyah would be far better.

  392. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    You refer to elite schools.

    The Finnish schools too are elite:

    Highly trained, respected and free: why Finland’s teachers are different

    Extensive training is the basis for giving teachers the autonomy to work the way they want. The result is a highly prized profession and an education system always near the top in international rankings

    Welcome to a country where teaching is a highly prized profession. Finland’s teachers have kept the nation near the top of the influential Pisa performance rankings since they were first published in 2001, leading to an influx of educational tourists as other teachers have endeavoured to learn from the Finnish experience.

    But the five-year master’s degree for primary school teachers is not in question. Competition is fierce – only 7% of applicants in Helsinki were accepted this year, leaving more than 1,400 disappointed.

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/jun/17/highly-trained-respected-and-free-why-finlands-teachers-are-different

    This is elite-level stuff that only the very best public and private schools in the United States can compete with, let alone Africa.

    Elite public schools do exist. We have them all over the United States. These are schools in affluent areas with a substantial tax base; where the parents are deeply engaged and the instructors top notch.

    In Finland schools are all similar. The PISA results are from quite normal schools. They have quite normal pupils, not any brighter than in any other school. Compare the African average level with the Finnish average level.

    Do you understand how to conduct a scientific experiment? I’m guessing you believe that Finns have an innate cognitive advantage over Africans and you’ve introduced the under-performance of Somalies in Finnish schools as proof (Of course Somalis don’t represent all Africans but we’ll leave that for now). Well, to test this hypothesis we can’t judge these excellent Finnish schools against ramshackle African village schools where the kids are hungry, the textbooks (if any) are from the 1950s and the instructors don’t even have a high school education. To do a credible experiment, we have to judge these elite Finnish schools against elite African schools. Do you understand?

    The Finns need to compete against these guys or similar:

    King’s College, Lagos Nigeria

    Besides, at the elementary, middle and high school levels (primary and secondary to you) kids don’t require transcripts or entrance exams. Whatever status these schools have accrued wasn’t based on only admitting intellectual elites. They admit whoever can pay the school fees. Then the schools mold them into elites.

    It was started by African kings, like these from Mali. Selling their own or enslaved people to Arabic slave traders, then to European colonalists. That was barbaric.

    That’s how slavery has always worked. The Vikings were big-time slavers. They enslaved other Europeans, including Finns, and traded and sold said slaves far and wide.

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  393. Okechukwu says:
    @res

    Anybody that wants to see my brutal takedown of this ironically very stupid IQist moron Res, go here: http://www.unz.com/jthompson/world-iq-82/#comment-3154794

    It is by no means the only time I’ve kicked Res’ sorry ass, but it is one of the most vicious ass whoopins’ I have administered to the clown.

    Notice Res has no rebuttal. As usual, he engaged in misdirection, even harkening back to a long-dead thread on another article as a means of subterfuge. Yet his constant refrain is that I am engaged in ad hominems and insults and that I won’t engage in debate with him. I won’t engage him because he’s too stupid to converse with. But notice that when I did engage him, in lieu of offering actual rebuttals, he ran and hide and blanketly described everything I wrote as ad hominem attacks.

    Okechukwu is too dumb to realize that when someone references an academic paper they are not just referring to the abstract (though I guess that makes sense coming from someone who probably never reads past the abstract).

    Apparently, Res’ imbecility precludes the processing of information pertaining to the invalidity of his “scientific papers.” That is to say, papers by Rushton, Lynn, Thompson, Sailer, Krkegaard, Piffer and the entire rogue’s gallery of racist pseudoscientists are worth less than a piece of used toilet paper. Res is so dumb that he even thinks that if these charlatans and quacks favorably peer-review each other, that that gives the “work” instant cachet and gravitas.

    We are dealing with extreme stupidity here, folks. And I am not the only one on Unz to point it out. Several other posters have described Res as a dumb motherfucker. He has a reputation here for being very dumb. Sort of the irony of ironies in light of his obsession with the topic of intelligence.

    This is all I’m going to say about Res here. I am not going to be drawn into a long, meandering debate with him where, increasingly, he will introduce stuff that most 3 years olds are too smart and too rational to put forward.

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  394. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “Well, to test this hypothesis we can’t judge these excellent Finnish schools against ramshackle African village schools where the kids are hungry, the textbooks (if any) are from the 1950s and the instructors don’t even have a high school education. To do a credible experiment, we have to judge these elite Finnish schools against elite African schools. Do you understand?”

    The Unesco report that you ridiculed only said that educational achievements in Africa are currently poor. It is true. Everybody knows that it is mainly due to environmental factors. These environmental factors include all the things you list here.

    As for the genetic factor in educational achievements, which you deny, I assume you in a logical way also claim that no other people are any more intelligent than Whites as exactly all peoples have the exact same average IQ. I guess that makes you an extreme White Supremacist and a denier of main stream IQ research. I think you should discuss the matter with other White Supremacists, maybe they will like your idea, or maybe with IQ researchers, they will not like it, but definitely not with me. I am neither and not a bit interested in this discussion.

    About the Finnish school system, “This is elite-level stuff that only the very best public and private schools in the United States can compete with, let alone Africa.”

    Do not believe every marketing talk. Finnish university people do not so much appreciate our school as they do not teach mathematics the way we would like. They do not even give grades in the Finnish school, and you do not pass from one year class to another. But it s really true that Finns do not have elite education for their best. It is totally alien to the government’s philosophy of equality. But I think it is better. The best will manage fine in their lives and they do not need to win competitions as children. If you are so competitive and want your best Africans to compete with the best Whites or Chinese, find the competing team from the USA or Singapore. Those are the IQ freaks, not Finns.

    “They admit whoever can pay the school fees.”

    That is exactly an elite school. Not the intellectual elite but the rich elite, but the elite tends to be also more intelligent for a number of reasons. In Finland there are no school fees so that all children can study and they can all also go to the university if they pass the entry exam. So, that is not an elite educational system and it works fine. Not for Nobel prizes, but otherwise fine.

    “The Vikings were big-time slavers. They enslaved other Europeans, including Finns, and traded and sold said slaves far and wide.”

    Vikings stopped when they become Christians. At the time of the Mali Empire they were Norwegians, Swedes and Danes and did not take slaves, but in Africa it sadly continued. The Mali Empire was indeed similar to the Viking outposts, but they were around 600-1000 CE, not 1250-1645 CE.

  395. Okechukwu says:

    As for the genetic factor in educational achievements, which you deny, I assume you in a logical way also claim that no other people are any more intelligent than Whites as exactly all peoples have the exact same average IQ. I guess that makes you an extreme White Supremacist and a denier of main stream IQ research. I think you should discuss the matter with other White Supremacists, maybe they will like your idea, or maybe with IQ researchers, they will not like it, but definitely not with me. I am neither and not a bit interested in this discussion.

    Your English is a little broken here. I hope I’m responding to what you intended to say.

    Why would a genetic factor discretely differentiate members of the same species around something as fluid and as arbitrary as “race?” Doesn’t it make more sense to you that intelligence would fluctuate individually, irrespective of race?

    Right now in Finland, there are Nigerians like this guy who are smarter than average Finns:


    http://keskus.ng/2017/09/13/news/790/the-most-successful-nigerian-in-finland-celebrates-9-years-of-living-in-finland/

    How could that happen if there were these discrete demarcations you seem to be pleading for?

    There is a genetic factor in intelligence. Education, however, requires more in the way of ambition, perseverance and willingness to buckle down and work hard. The rapper Jay-Z is an uneducated genius. He is now a billionaire. In school, he was a poor performer. It wasn’t because he was stupid (remember, he’s a genius) but because of a lack of interest driven by certain deleterious factors that are endemic to most inner-city schools in America.

    Do not believe every marketing talk. Finnish university people do not so much appreciate our school as they do not teach mathematics the way we would like. They do not even give grades in the Finnish school, and you do not pass from one year class to another. But it s really true that Finns do not have elite education for their best. It is totally alien to the government’s philosophy of equality. But I think it is better. The best will manage fine in their lives and they do not need to win competitions as children.

    How can the world’s best educational system not be elite?

    10 reasons why Finland’s education system is the best in the world

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/09/10-reasons-why-finlands-education-system-is-the-best-in-the-world

    If you are so competitive and want your best Africans to compete with the best Whites or Chinese, find the competing team from the USA or Singapore. Those are the IQ freaks, not Finns

    There are no IQ freaks in Singapore. IQism is an American white nationalist thing. It’s the overriding obsession of your good buddy Res.

    That is exactly an elite school. Not the intellectual elite but the rich elite, but the elite tends to be also more intelligent for a number of reasons.

    But there are also elite public schools in Africa. Responsible African governments are investing heavily in public education.

    “Despite the stereotypical media portrayal of Africa and anything associated with Africa as underdeveloped, the region has some of the best educational systems in the world. These prep and public schools emphasize STEM courses,” or classes focusing on science, technology, engineering and math.

    Arthur says the quality of Africa’s education system is seen in the number of Africans who pursue postgraduate degrees at esteemed universities around the world.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/to-some-africans-in-us-childrens-education-is-best-left-to-the-homeland/2012/07/16/gJQAfSAfpW_story.html?utm_term=.236cfa97e19d

    In Finland there are no school fees so that all children can study and they can all also go to the university if they pass the entry exam. So, that is not an elite educational system and it works fine.

    The Finnish educational system is elite, as I’ve amply demonstrated. The lack of school fees does not diminish its elite status. Money is fungible and Finnish schools are well funded. It’s just that the funds are public rather than private.

    Vikings stopped when they become Christians.

    There are Christian verses that justify slavery. So they didn’t stop because of that. Besides, slavery continued among European-descended people until the late 19th century.

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  396. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    You have a test of African IQ in the PISA results from Finland.

    1) Second generation Somalies do worse than other immigrants in the elite school system in Finland. They were born in Finland and speak Finnish like natives. They often get language teaching also in their mother’s tongue. The school system tries to make every child learn. It is not racistic, they certainly have the benefit of well working schools.

    2) The children are born in Finland, are not hungry, have the same text books, the same teachers, the environment is as much the same as it can be.

    3) Refugees are not selected for intelligence, so their intelligence should be close to the ethnic group average. There are also several refugee groups from different countries. They can be compared to each other.

    4) From 2) and 3) follows that selection for intelligence or external environmental factors do not explain 1). There remains two factors: the effect of the family and the effect of the children being lazy or stupid. The effect of the family has been noticed: girls results are worse indicating that girls’ are suppressed by the family. But this does not explain all of the difference. There remains the effect of being lazy or stupid. Both being lazy and being stupid is largely genetic in an individual.

    5) As a conclusion, there is some genetic factor to the results. I will not evaluate what the size of this factor is.

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  397. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “Why would a genetic factor discretely differentiate members of the same species around something as fluid and as arbitrary as “race?” Doesn’t it make more sense to you that intelligence would fluctuate individually, irrespective of race?

    Right now in Finland, there are Nigerians like this guy who are smarter than average Finns:

    How could that happen if there were these discrete demarcations you seem to be pleading for? ”

    In all populations there is a distribution of IQ scores. There is no objection that an individual from a population with a lower IQ score can have a higher IQ than an average individual from a population with a higher average IQ score, as may be the case with your Nigerian.

    You claim that the average genetic IQ of Africans equals the average genetic IQ of Europeans. Main stream IQ researchers claim that the average genetic IQ of Africans is lower than the average genetic IQ of Europeans.

    Both claims allow, indeed imply, that there are many Africans, who have an IQ higher than the average IQ of a selected European country. Indeed, if the African average IQ were the figure given by Lynn, i.e., 70, and the European country has 100, then the difference is two standard deviations and 2.1% of Africans are above the European average,

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  398. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “There are no IQ freaks in Singapore. IQism is an American white nationalist thing. It’s the overriding obsession of your good buddy Res.”

    Strange, I never though Res would be my good buddy. The commenters I liked in this site were Mighty, FKA Max and Iris, but they all left as this site is infected by the type of commenters that one really does not like to discuss with. I also do not at all enjoy a discussion with you because of the offensive style you use in your writing.

  399. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    Anybody that wants to see my brutal takedown of this ironically very stupid IQist moron Res, go here: http://www.unz.com/jthompson/world-iq-82/#comment-3154794

    And be sure to read my response there. Pretty sad if that’s the best example you can come up with.

    It is by no means the only time I’ve kicked Res’ sorry ass, but it is one of the most vicious ass whoopins’ I have administered to the clown.

    As I said, if that is the best example you can come up with…

    Notice Res has no rebuttal.

    As I said, see my response there. One of the most amusing things about “conversations” with Okechukwu is how often I can just point to my earlier comments given his general failure to make any kind of meaningful (non insult or ad hominem based) response.

    Apparently, Res’ imbecility precludes the processing of information pertaining to the invalidity of his “scientific papers.”

    Notice the complete lack of response to the substance of my comment.

    That is to say, papers by Rushton, Lynn, Thompson, Sailer, Krkegaard, Piffer and the entire rogue’s gallery of racist pseudoscientists are worth less than a piece of used toilet paper. Res is so dumb that he even thinks that if these charlatans and quacks favorably peer-review each other, that that gives the “work” instant cachet and gravitas.

    And what were you saying about me describing what you write as ad hominems and insults?

    We are dealing with extreme stupidity here, folks.

    Indeed we are. It’s just that the source is you. As your comments make quite clear.

    We are dealing with extreme stupidity here, folks. And I am not the only one on Unz to point it out. Several other posters have described Res as a dumb motherfucker. He has a reputation here for being very dumb. Sort of the irony of ironies in light of his obsession with the topic of intelligence.

    It is interesting to notice what Okechukwu considers important. Unsupported insults from other clueless commenters (e.g. AaronB) are meaningful. References, data, and reasoned argument, not so much.

    This is all I’m going to say about Res here. I am not going to be drawn into a long, meandering debate with him where, increasingly, he will introduce stuff that most 3 years olds are too smart and too rational to put forward.

    Projection is a terrible thing.

    I guess every village needs an idiot. So we have Okechukwu.

  400. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    Why would a genetic factor discretely differentiate members of the same species around something as fluid and as arbitrary as “race?” Doesn’t it make more sense to you that intelligence would fluctuate individually, irrespective of race?

    That is an epic strawman. Of course intelligence fluctuates individually. The average also fluctuates systematically in a way which correlates with race. Whether that has a genetic or environmental cause (or the relative proportions) remains to be proved, but things aren’t looking good for the blank slatists (e.g. see the paper under discussion).

    As for why such a differentiation would occur… You have heard of something called “evolution”, right?

    The Finnish educational system is elite, as I’ve amply demonstrated. The lack of school fees does not diminish its elite status. Money is fungible and Finnish schools are well funded. It’s just that the funds are public rather than private.

    How about replacing “elite” with “selective”? It is clear the Finnish schools are not selective. Anyone is admitted, regardless of ability to pay. You do understand how selectivity can increase the average of a small group, right? (maybe you don’t though, given our earlier discussions about selective immigration)

    But there are also elite public schools in Africa.

    Examples? Are they anywhere near as comprehensive as the Finnish school system? Which covers the entire population of the country if I understand correctly.

    There are no IQ freaks in Singapore. IQism is an American white nationalist thing. It’s the overriding obsession of your good buddy Res.

    I truly enjoy the way you wear your ignorance so proudly. You might (or might not, in your case) recognize the person quoted here: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew

    The Bell curve is a fact of life. The blacks on average score 85 per cent on IQ and it is accurate, nothing to do with culture. The whites score on average 100. Asians score more … the Bell curve authors put it at least 10 points higher. These are realities that, if you do not accept, will lead to frustration because you will be spending money on wrong assumptions and the results cannot follow.
    Lee Kuan Yew, The Man & His Ideas, 1997

    That last bit is what is called refutation. Notice where it lies with respect to insults (aka name-calling) and ad hominems in this hierarchy: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

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    , @res
  401. @Okechukwu

    No one has done a viable, credible, large sample size, culturally neutral IQ study of any African country

    Yes, because those countries are so disorderly they can’t even perform the trivial task of making it’s school students take a standarized test. That’s why they all want to leave.

    You’re freaking out over an estimation. An almanac might show an estimate of the average temperatue of Equatorial Guinea because there are no weather stations in the country because it is so disorderly. This estimate may or may not be accurate but that does not disprove climate and weather science.

    Africans perform just fine in Europe and America

    No, they do not.

  402. @Okechukwu

    You (and that means you) are not as smart as these people:

    *posts youtube video about hospitals in Equatorial Guinea*

    Me: *watches video*
    “qualified doctors and nurses then get the opportunity to travel overseas to countries like Cuba to learn…”

    Their doctors are being taught by Cubans? Wow. They must be smart.

  403. @Okechukwu

    Acting as a middle-trader between North Africa … and the Niger River to the south, Mali exploited the traffic in … slaves that crisscrossed West Africa.

    LOL. We wuz slave tradurz.

  404. Svigor says:
    @Okechukwu

    Do you understand how to conduct a scientific experiment? I’m guessing you believe that Finns have an innate cognitive advantage over Africans and you’ve introduced the under-performance of Somalies in Finnish schools as proof (Of course Somalis don’t represent all Africans but we’ll leave that for now). Well, to test this hypothesis we can’t judge these excellent Finnish schools against ramshackle African village schools where the kids are hungry, the textbooks (if any) are from the 1950s and the instructors don’t even have a high school education. To do a credible experiment, we have to judge these elite Finnish schools against elite African schools. Do you understand?

    Do you understand that you aren’t speaking to the whites interested in footing the bill for this? That we know it’s a waste of time? That we’re satisfied enough with the empirical results we already have from not just sub-Saharan Africans outside sub-Saharan Africa, but with sub-Saharan Africans in Africa? That the data set is enormous and conclusive enough for any reasonable person (and that no amount or kind of data will convince religious fanatics like leftists?). Do you understand that just growing up around blacks is enough for any honest white?

    Blacks aren’t worth the effort. They don’t have that thing where they can admit their failings, especially not with all the white leftist fanatics running around encouraging them not to.

    • Troll: Okechukwu
  405. Svigor says:
    @res

    That is an epic strawman.

    It’s just so grug-brained. Cars of the same model that roll off the same fucking assembly line vary in their specs: 0-60 time, etc. Doesn’t mean they don’t have a different average than a different model coming off its own assembly line.

    • Replies: @res
  406. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    You have a test of African IQ in the PISA results from Finland.

    No, you don’t. You have Somali results.

    Refugees are not selected for intelligence, so their intelligence should be close to the ethnic group average

    Do you seriously want to make this argument? Do you know how many African refugees that have ended up going to Harvard, or more recently, becoming a state chess champion in New York?

    Regarding Somalis, I would expect the most successful communities to be in North America. They are doing quite a bit better in Minnesota and Canada. There is already a Canadian minister who arrived as a Somali refugee.

    As a conclusion, there is some genetic factor to the results.

    This is pseudoscience. You would not even be able to make that presentation at a scientific conference in Finland. Not because it’s controversial but because science deals in facts, and you have none.

  407. res says:
    @Svigor

    Interesting analogy. IMHO it works even better placed in the craftsman era rather than interchangeable parts manufacturing.

  408. res says:
    @res

    For those who don’t speak Okechukwu-ese, his troll flagging me means he lost.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  409. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    In all populations there is a distribution of IQ scores. There is no objection that an individual from a population with a lower IQ score can have a higher IQ than an average individual from a population with a higher average IQ score, as may be the case with your Nigerian.

    This is racist pseudoscientific white supremacy ideology. You have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that intelligent individuals are rarer among Nigerians than Finns. As a matter of fact, if you were dumb enough to bet everything you own that any random Finn or any 10,000 random Finns or even any 100,000 random Finns are going to be innately more intelligent than the same number of random Nigerians, you might lose everything you own on that bet.

    But, by all means, if you really believe that intelligence is more prevalent among Finns vis-à-vis Nigerians, then go into the lab, prove it conclusively, and win a Nobel Prize. It would be a seminal, earth-shattering discovery if true. It would be one of the truly outstanding scientific discoveries of our time. Go for it. Good luck.

    You claim that the average genetic IQ of Africans equals the average genetic IQ of Europeans. Main stream IQ researchers claim that the average genetic IQ of Africans is lower than the average genetic IQ of Europeans.

    There are no mainstream IQ researchers. Real scientists avoid the topic like the plague because it’s pointless. I’m of pure African descent and I’m not exactly the least intelligent person here. In fact, quite the contrary. So only someone of devious motives would waste time and energy trying to “prove” that Africans are less intelligent. We already have conclusive proof that Africans are not less intelligent. They knew this hundreds of years ago. They knew it during American slavery, which is why slaves were forbidden to learn to read or write. Modern science and genetics have only confirmed what was already known so long ago, but which you clowns, having the benefit of modern science and genetics, refuse to acknowledge.

    Both claims allow, indeed imply, that there are many Africans, who have an IQ higher than the average IQ of a selected European country. Indeed, if the African average IQ were the figure given by Lynn, i.e., 70

    Actually, no. Real scientists who care enough about this topic to comment would probably tell you that if any group has a genetic advantage in intelligence it’s probably Africans. As a racist, it’s a possibility you are dismissing. But a real scientist who is unbiased and genuinely searching for the truth would not dismiss that possibility. It’s why we have the Africa Einstein Project:

    https://www.nexteinstein.org/

    This is real. This is the state of real scientific thought today as distinct from your pseudoscience. The belief that there are many potential Einsteins in Africa is the normative mainstream scientific consensus.

  410. Okechukwu says:
    @res

    I’m not debating you, Res. You’re too dumb.

    Sorry.

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @res
  411. j2 says:

    “I’m of pure African descent and I’m not exactly the least intelligent person here. In fact, quite the contrary.”

    Absolutely, your superior intelligence is so clearly visible from your comments.

    “This is racist pseudoscientific white supremacy ideology. You have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that intelligent individuals are rarer among Nigerians than Finns.”

    So, let’s ask this in a different way. Let’s take 10,000 random Japanese and 10,000 random Americans. Main stream IQ researchers claim that the Japanese average IQ is about 105 and the American average IQ is about 98. Naturally you disagree with this as there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that intelligent individuals are rarer among Americans than Japanese. Or is this what you are claiming? That sounds like an extreme American supremacist claim.

    “But, by all means, if you really believe that intelligence is more prevalent among Finns vis-à-vis Nigerians, then go into the lab, prove it conclusively, and win a Nobel Prize. It would be a seminal, earth-shattering discovery if true. It would be one of the truly outstanding scientific discoveries of our time. Go for it. Good luck.”

    I already have a minuscular share of one Nobel Prize, Carlo Rubbia’s Nobel in 1984 was given to all workers in CERN projects at the time I incidentally and for a short time worked for that organization. That’s enough for me as a pensioner. But maybe you do not have a Nobel Prize and being the most intelligent person in this site, you naturally would like to have one. So you prove your claim that there are no population differences in average traits. We naturally know that there are population differences in personality traits, like introversion/extroversion, but you can try to prove that with intelligence there are not.

    “The belief that there are many potential Einsteins in Africa is the normative mainstream scientific consensus.”

    I am sure you have many Einsteins, we prefer not to have them. Einstein stole many of his main discoveries from others and claimed to be the sole inventor. E=mc2 is naturally from Olinto De Pretto, but one of the best known cases is the Bose-Einstein statistics. It was invented by Bose, an Indian, Einstein tried to claim it is solely his, but some physicist, whose name I cannot recall at the moment, set it right. There are many such cases, most were not set right, like the Brownian motion, and both the special and the general relativity theories have serious problems. Good luck making similar discoveries. But you will need the media power to hide the cheating.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Okechukwu
  412. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    Run away, run away!

    P.S. I can understand why you wouldn’t want to debate that curb stomping I gave you regarding your Singapore comment. Nothing more to be said about that.

  413. res says:
    @j2

    Absolutely, your superior intelligence is so clearly visible from your comments.

    Okechukwu is a hero in his own mind. It’s pretty funny how he does not seem to realize how clearly intelligence comes across in comments.

  414. @Okechukwu

    “…I’m of pure African descent and I’m not exactly the least intelligent person here…”

    The fact that you don’t understand the meaning of comparing averages of groups, convinces me that you are indeed “the least intelligent person here” and the fact that you desplay the typical over self-esteem of the stupid, does convince me that you are indeed “of pure African descent”. Good luck with your “African Einstein Project”. Here is already an example of African genius :

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  415. res says:
    @Okechukwu

    This is racist pseudoscientific white supremacy ideology. You have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that intelligent individuals are rarer among Nigerians than Finns. As a matter of fact, if you were dumb enough to bet everything you own that any random Finn or any 10,000 random Finns or even any 100,000 random Finns are going to be innately more intelligent than the same number of random Nigerians, you might lose everything you own on that bet.

    But, by all means, if you really believe that intelligence is more prevalent among Finns vis-à-vis Nigerians, then go into the lab, prove it conclusively, and win a Nobel Prize. It would be a seminal, earth-shattering discovery if true. It would be one of the truly outstanding scientific discoveries of our time. Go for it. Good luck.

    It is funny that you mention Nobel prizes in this context. I recently pointed out to you that Nobel prizes were a useful metric for comparing the high end performance of different groups.
    http://www.unz.com/jthompson/world-iq-82/#comment-3178606

    From that comment:

    Now the blacks (since the number of prizes is relatively small we can look at the entire group at once):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_Nobel_laureates
    I see 0 science, 1 economics, 3 literature, and 11 peace prizes.

    For the Finns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country#Finland

    I see 2 science, 1 economics, 1 literature, and 1 peace prize.

    As discussed in my earlier comment, I focus on science prizes since those are the least politicized.

    So with a population of about 5.5 million the Finns have two Nobel science prizes while the black Africans with a population of about 1 billion (about 100 million in 1900) have 0.

    So much for ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE.

    P.S. At some point this feels like bullying since Okechukwu is so obviously out of his league here. Perhaps if he stopped with the ceaseless insults and ad hominems others might choose not to pick on him so much despite how easy it is to do.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  416. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    Absolutely, your superior intelligence is so clearly visible from your comments.

    I’m pretty sure I’m smarter than you, your alleged credentials notwithstanding.

    So, let’s ask this in a different way. Let’s take 10,000 random Japanese and 10,000 random Americans. Main stream IQ researchers claim that the Japanese average IQ is about 105 and the American average IQ is about 98.

    This is what you said upthread at #306:

    I do not support HBD and I consider IQ research as a junk field of science

    So you keep using IQ research, which you consider a junk science, to justify your fallacious arguments. You even made reference to the laughably fraudulent Richard Lynn and his phony African IQ data.

    Only if you have half your brain missing would you bet anything of value that 10,000 random Japanese are going to be innately smarter than 10,000 random Americans or Kenyans or whomever. There is simply no way to know because human intelligence knows no race or ethnicity. So if you bet your life on that proposition, you could lose your life.

    Whatever IQ measures, it does not capture intrinsic intelligence. Do you know how I know that? Because there are IQ tests that are steeped in different and unfamiliar cultural norms that you would flunk badly. If the San people of the Kalahari created an IQ test, you might not even achieve a score of 20.

    I already have a minuscular share of one Nobel Prize, Carlo Rubbia’s Nobel in 1984 was given to all workers in CERN projects at the time I incidentally and for a short time worked for that organization.

    Yeah, sure thing bruh. Yet you don’t know how science works or how scientific experimentation works. You jump to conclusions informed by your biases with absolutely no credible scientific evidence to back those conclusions up. You’re an embarrassment to this Carlo Rubbia guy if indeed you were ever tangentially connected to his work.

    So you prove your claim that there are no population differences in average traits. We naturally know that there are population differences in personality traits, like introversion/extroversion, but you can try to prove that with intelligence there are not.

    It’s comments like this that demonstrate that you’re just another delusional, none-too-bright keyboard pseudo-“scientist” like your pal Res. You see, if you truly were interested in population differences in average traits you would be arguing that there must necessarily be differences between your neighborhood and the adjacent neighborhood. Or differences between your family and your wife’s family. If you insist on the inevitability of populational differences then differences should manifest every single time there are two different populations. That includes white/white populations. That includes your immediate family divided by 2. Get it, Mr. CERN?

    Yes, in any two people or any two groups there are bound to be differences. But you are racializing it and asserting that billions of people are more or less intelligent on a genetic level owing to race. And you cannot present one iota of evidence to support that assessment. Yet you claim to be a scientist.

    You are also clueless as to who has the burden of proof in a scientific debate. I don’t have to do shit. You have the onus entirely. That there are no racial hierarchies in intelligence among humans is the mainstream scientific consensus. It’s also borne out by what is easily observed in the world. You are making the extraordinary claim that such hierarchies exist. Therefore you have the burden of proof. Not only that, your proof must be as extraordinary as the claim. So “IQ research” is most definitely not adequate evidence. If you were ever a real scientist you would know that.

    I am sure you have many Einsteins, we prefer not to have them.

    LOL. Only a dumbass would dismiss Einstein’s accomplishments.

    • Replies: @j2
  417. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    Refugees are not selected for intelligence, so their intelligence should be close to the ethnic group average. There are also several refugee groups from different countries. They can be compared to each other.

    LOL. I love debunking this kind of bullshit.

    Douglas Todd: Refugees earn more than most Canadians after 25 years

    The immigration and tax department data, which tracks refugees’ earnings from 1981 to 2014, shows that average government-assisted refugees earned less than $20,000 a year in their first decade in the country, when many families rely on provincial welfare and other government benefits to get by.

    However, after 25 to 30 years in Canada, the average refugee is earning roughly $50,000 a year, about $5,000 more than the average Canadian. The study also shows the earnings gap between government-assisted refugees, who initially do worse than privately-sponsored refugees, basically disappears over the long run.

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-refugees-earn-more-than-most-canadians-after-25-years

    Sudanese Refugee Graduates From Ivy League School

    Morris Kaunda Michael was five-years-old when his family fled war-torn Sudan for a refugee camp in Kenya. He braved the camp, came to the U.S. and got accepted at Columbia University. Michael, who recently completed his degree in biomedical engineering, shares his journey from refugee to graduate.

    https://www.npr.org/2011/05/27/136715569/sudanese-refugee-graduates-from-ivy-league-school

    Daughter of SomaliRefugees accepted to all 8 Ivy League Schools

    Munira Khalif, a senior at Mounds Park Academy in St. Paul, Minnesota, told NBC affiliate KARE that she was accepted to all eight Ivy League schools — plus several other prestigious universities.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-teen-munira-khalif-accepted-all-eight-ivy-league-schools-n338661

    Son of Somali Refugees Heading to Yale on a Full Ride

    Ayanle Nur might have been in his high school Spanish class on December 3, but his mind was elsewhere. The seventeen-year-old DSST Green Valley Ranch senior and son of Somali refugees was awaiting the most important news of his life: whether he had been accepted to his dream school, Yale University.

    https://www.westword.com/news/son-of-somali-refugees-from-montbello-heading-to-yale-on-a-full-ride-11067667

    There are many, many more such stories. It’s all about the environment. If the average Finn is as bigoted as you are, I can how Somalis would struggle there.

  418. Okechukwu says:
    @res

    This is exactly what I mean, Res. I am simply not going to dignify this kind of stupidity by responding to it. IT’S JUST TOO DUMB!!!

    I’m not the first to tell you that you’re an idiot. So don’t act all surprised.

    LOL. Even linking to Thompson. LMAO.

    • LOL: res
  419. Okechukwu says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    The fact that you don’t understand the meaning of comparing averages of groups,

    Ok, what are these averages? Who established said averages? Based on what? Pioneer Fund “data?”

    You’re actually using discredited pseudoscientific material to establish averages? You are a moron.

    In point of fact, no one knows what the true averages are. All we know is that intelligence exists in every grouping. We have no idea which group is ahead or behind and we likely will never know. Somalis could be the most intelligent people on the planet for all we know.

  420. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    As you write like this
    “I’m pretty sure I’m smarter than you, your alleged credentials notwithstanding.”
    and this
    “LOL. Only a dumbass would dismiss Einstein’s accomplishments.”
    it means that we can discuss the problems in Einstein’s special and general relativity.

    [MORE]

    I wrote about the problem in the general relativity here:
    http://vixra.org/pdf/1812.0067v1.pdf

    As you are creative and highly talented, or as you say, above it, it should not be any problem for you to calculate Ricci tensor elements (just sum Christoffel symbols from the definition of the Ricci tensor for a given metric, as is done in the paper). Then see how the terms cancel in Schwarzschild’s solution. See something strange there. The natural way they should cancel is as in potential, as in Nordstrom’s theory. Then calculate the relativity tests and you see that the Shapiro time delay. You will see that it is incorrectly calculated in the literature because you should use the proper time difference not from special relativity but from general relativity theory, and the one from the general relativity gives a result that does not match observations. If you correctly do the calculation of the Shapiro time delay for Nordstrom’s theory, you do get the observed result. Nordstrom developed his theory of gravitation just a bit before Einstein. If is from Nordstrom’s solution Einstein got the idea that the equation should be that an expression from the curvature tensor should equal the stress-enerty tensor, but he apparently got the stress-energy components wrong. But the main problem is that the solution should be a potential, not the one from Schwarschild’s solution, which cancels terms in a very specific way.

    The problem in the special relativity I described here.
    http://vixra.org/pdf/1812.0261v1.pdf
    This one is very easy, as special relativity is very easy, so it is much easier to check. (Calculations of the Ricci tensor elements is some work, I agree). The problem is the most obvious in time dilation. Calculate time dilation in the direction orthogonal to the motion, as it is usually done, and then calculate if in the direction of motion and set them equal as the time dilation cannot depend on the direction. (A moving object does not have a different local time to one direction or another, time is a scalar). This calculation you do directly from the Lorentz transform. When you set the time dilation to both directions to be equal, you get a different gamma. It is not the Lorentz gamma, meaning that the equations of motion are not Lorentz invariant and the 4-space is not the Minkowski space. I wrote a more natural transform with a more natural addition of velocities. It agrees with the Lorentz transform if the object moves with the speed of light, so it agrees with all measurements done to verify the special relativity, but it is not special relativity. It is a transform of a discrete model where there is a preferred frame of reference. That is, Einstein was wrong when he discarded the ether time. There is a preferred frame of reference.

    I prefer not to continue the discussion of African average IQ with you. You had the opportunity to present your views and evidence to a fairly intelligent and very patient person, but you did not present anything.

    Yes, I consider IQ research as a junk field when compared with many other fields of science, such as mathematics, where one actually can prove something, and even this hazy field of theoretical physics, where any intelligent person soon notices that everything is not quite fine, it is lots of speculation and not rigidly proven claims. But engineering physics is fine, as are many other engineering fields, such as telecommunications and computer science. These are on a considerably better level than IQ research as sciences. They use mathematics and mostly in a perfectly correct way, and they are not ideological.

    Einstein’s relativity theory, on the other hand, is ideological in a sense. His goal was to find impressive results and the result was to confuse. To remove the belief that there may be another world in addition to this one. That was the result of dropping the ether time. One very clear case of this confusion, or mystification of physics by Einstein is the ERP-paradox. I looked at it in these two short notes:
    http://vixra.org/pdf/1810.0504v1.pdf
    and
    http://vixra.org/pdf/1810.0503v1.pdf
    It seems that the ERP-paradox is simply Einstein’s misunderstanding and the famous Bell’s Theorem is a false result coming from incorrect scaling of the measurement instrument according to Bohr’s rule, though Bohr’s rule should apply only to the wave function of the particle, not to that of the measurement set up (direction vectors).

    As you are more intelligent than me, I expect to have an interesting and in depth discussion of these manuscripts with you. I would not mind if Res, who is also very intelligent, would also take a look at them. Einstein’s achievements do deserve a closer look, that is, from people who do not any more believe everything they learned in the university.

  421. This Okechukwu guy, is a TRUE-BELIEVER in the “Political Correctness” movement. You are wasting your time trying to move him with facts.

    “The TRUE BELIEVER” (P79) by Eric Hoffer ..
    [[The attitude of absolute certainty..
    All active mass movements strive..to interpose a fact-proof screen between the faithful and the realities of the world.
    They do this by claiming that the ultimate and absolute truth is already embodied in their doctrine and that there is no truth or certitude outside it.
    The facts on which the true believer bases his conclusions must not be derived from his experience or observation but from holy writ.]] ]

    http://www.fourthwaycult.net/truebeliever.html

    • Troll: Okechukwu
  422. @Okechukwu

    The immigration and tax department data… shows that …many families rely on provincial welfare and other government benefits to get by.

    I agree with agree with Okechukwu’s article on this point.

  423. @Okechukwu

    Munira Khalif…was accepted to all eight Ivy League schools — plus several other prestigious universities

    LOL. This reads like an Onion parody article:

    “Black muslim immigrant LGBT woman accepted to every college in America.”

    • Replies: @res
  424. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu


    Refugees are not selected for intelligence, so their intelligence should be close to the ethnic group average. There are also several refugee groups from different countries. They can be compared to each other.

    LOL. I love debunking this kind of bullshit.”

    As you seem to have misunderstood again, I will rephrase:

    There are also several refugee groups from different countries who moved as refugees to Finland and appear in the same PISA results. These refugees, who are not from African countries, have very much the same experiences in Finland. The second generation immigrants from all these refugee groups were born in Finland, are not hungry, have text books, have teachers, have everything the same, they do not have war trauma as they were born in Finland. They can certainly be compared to each other in PISA results, yet the outcome is that Somalies do worst. Somalies are an African country. As you say that African average genetic IQ is the same as European average genetic IQ or the Middle Eastern average genetic IQ, then Somalies should have the same average genetic IQ as other refugees to Finland, from the former Yugoslavia or Iraq. But as it is, Somalies are in the lowest level and indeed a bit worse than the others. The error is not so large as for first generation immigrants, but there is one.

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  425. res says:
    @j2

    I would not mind if Res, who is also very intelligent, would also take a look at them.

    Sadly, that math/physics is beyond me. If you wanted to talk about EM fields I might be able to recall enough to be useful, but that was a long time ago.

    I have run across Bell’s Theorem in the context of quantum computing. If it truly is a false result I am sure that would be of interest to the physics community.

    To be clear, I have never doubted your intelligence. I have questioned some of your assumptions and disagreed with some of your reasoning in other threads though.

    P.S. Are you sure you want to publish your real name and email address here like that?

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  426. res says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    It’s real. That is what happens when aggressive affirmative action for US blacks encounters capable (not necessarily THAT exceptional either) African groups/individuals.

    Your title would have made a good article in the old Onion.

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  427. j2 says:
    @res

    “If it truly is a false result I am sure that would be of interest to the physics community.”

    I am sure that you have noticed that it is hard to publish papers on some topics. Maybe it is so in HBD, but it is so in 911, so they made their own journal, and it is so in Holocaust, to the revisionists made their own journal. I hope you are aware of these.

    So, let’s talk about the Bell theorem. I submitted the paper to a journal, a small European scientific journal as large journals are so prestigious that a modest person would not submit to them and they do have many very good submissions. I also put the paper to arxiv, which should be open, but the arxiv moderator removed my submission and wrote that unless the paper has been accepted by some journal, they are not allowing it in arxiv. So, after three weeks I got an answer from the journal. The
    editor (he had a Jewish name and he was an assistant professor, that means an assistant, I was a tenured professor once) answered with the words: as arxiv has not published your paper, we will not review it. And he rejected it without a review. The same happened with the other paper of ERP, also rejected by the assistant professor editor without sending to referees.

    Res, you live in a dream word. In hard sciences the Jewish grep is much harder. It is impossible to publish some papers, even to get them reviewed. Who claims otherwise is false. This, coming from a Finn, is the truth.

  428. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    Umm…no. I’m not going to waste my time on your tinfoil musings. And I will not sully Einstein’s name by mentioning you in the same breath.

    I am not a theoretical physicist. So even if you were real, I would ask you to submit your paper to someone like this guy:

    Sylvester James Gates, Jr. is currently the Roth Family Visiting Professor at Dartmouth College and University System Regents Professor and the John S. Toll Professor of Physics at the University of Maryland, College Park, the Director of the String and Particle Theory Center, Affiliate Professor of Mathematics. He serves on President Barack Obama’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, the Maryland State Board of Education, and is known for his work on supersymmetry, supergravity, and superstring theory.

    Unlike you, Dr. Gates is an accomplished and distinguished scientist. If you were to send your “proof” to him, he might respond to you after he stops laughing. You can tell from his hairstyle who he idolizes.

    Apparently, you’re just a very committed troll and crank. Were you really trying to scam a million dollars with a fake theorem?

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    , @j2
  429. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    These refugees, who are not from African countries, have very much the same experiences in Finland.

    Gee, I wonder why:

    Racism started to grow after the first Somali refugees arrived in Finland in the 1990s. Finnish skinheads perpetrated attacks against Africans, and especially Joensuu grew to be an infamous center of racism. In Nastola the police had to protect the local immigration detention from the violence of the locals, as they committed shootings, group assault and played racist music.[8] According to a study by Fundamental Rights Agency published in 2018, 63% of Africans in Finland had experienced racist harassment, which had appeared as offensive gestures, comments, threats or violence. This was the highest percentage of any EU member state, much higher than for example in Malta which was only 20%. 14% stated they experienced violence due to their skin colour, which again was the highest in the EU, much higher than in Portugal where only 2% experienced violence.[9]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_Finland#Countries_of_origin

    Is it any wonder that Africans, refugees or not, are struggling in this kind of toxic environment?

    There’s a very good reason why you’re a failure as a scientist. Someone like Dr. Gates, being a very brilliant man, would know instantly what the problem is. He would also do an actual experiment by comparing and contrasting the experiences of Somali refugees in Finland to those of Somali refugees in America, where the kids are performing so well that some of them have their pick of Ivy League campuses. This is very basic science. But it eludes you, which is why you’re rolling around in the mud in a cesspool of pseudoscience like Unz Review, something a real and successful mathematician or physicist would never do.

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  430. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “I am not a theoretical physicist.”

    But you were more intelligent than me. Does it mean that you cannot count Ricci tensor elements? I am flabbergasted. How can a super intelligent person not take such a small challenge?

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  431. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “Sylvester James Gates, Jr. is currently the Roth Family Visiting Professor at Dartmouth College and University System Regents Professor and the John S. Toll Professor of Physics at the University of Maryland, College Park, the Director of the String and Particle Theory Center, Affiliate Professor of Mathematics. He serves on President Barack Obama’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology, the Maryland State Board of Education, and is known for his work on supersymmetry, supergravity, and superstring theory.”

    I see. You say you are more intelligent than me, but it seems to take the best of 1 billion Africans just to equal one Finnish professor on pension. You could not equal yourself, so you looked for any African professor. That is very telling of you.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  432. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “But it eludes you, which is why you’re rolling around in the mud in a cesspool of pseudoscience like Unz Review, something a real and successful mathematician or physicist would never do.”

    I was successful enough before retiring, now I am on pension and finally do what I choose to do or not to do. But what about you, my dear friend, the super bright African genius, yet still without a Nobel Prize, and spending his time hanging here on the Unz Review among old men, as most of the commenters are, and disturb everybody with nonsense comments. Is that the peak of your career? I think you should get a job and do something useful. You better leave this site, it is the best for you and everybody. You are only wasting your precious time here.

  433. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    How can a super intelligent person not take such a small challenge?

    Why would I get involved with ridiculous challenges on the Internet, especially from a crackpot like you?

    • Replies: @j2
  434. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    I see. You say you are more intelligent than me, but it seems to take the best of 1 billion Africans just to equal one Finnish professor on pension.

    Yeah, you’re just dumb enough to think that only one black person in a billion is capable of Dr. Gates’ level of accomplishments. And you’re just dumb enough to believe you are the equal of Dr. Gates.

    You’re a loser for a reason, and that reason is stupidity. A smart person would understand that where there are more opportunities and more conducive environments there would be many more like Dr. Gates. It probably isn’t going to happen in Finland, with your skinheads chasing after black people.

    That Dr. Gates is exceptional among the likes of you is a given. But he is actually exceptional among the most exceptional people on the planet.

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    , @j2
  435. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “Why would I get involved with ridiculous challenges on the Internet, especially from a crackpot like you?”

    But you are the most intelligent commenter on this site. If you did not like tensor calculus, well, I admit it is rather elementary, over 100 years old, but that was the time of Einstein, then how about something more modern, like Yang-Mills fields:
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1011.3962.pdf

    One internet bloggist did check that paper and found it quite correct, so you may be very wrong thinking that my Millennium problem solutions are wrong. They are so far not shown wrong. But maybe you are super intelligent in a different way. You do not use your super intelligence on theoretical problems. It shows in some other things, like in your highly creative insults you pour on people. Did I get it right? Is that the main content of your super high intelligence? Inventing insults? But your insults are not that original, I have seen better ones. Even Res and Merculinus invented better insults in one previous thread. You have to catch up.

  436. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    I see you are trying, but those are still not world class insults. Those are a bit such provincial insults. Try a bit harder. As your selected specialization and use of your superior intelligence is on insulting people you do not know, I can, as an experienced supervisor on any topic, try to supervise you to reach an international level. Still so far I would say that Res does it much better, when he only tries. A bit more effort from you. Try to pour all your hatred of White people from the depths of your hearth, maybe then it will go.

  437. Svigor says:
    @Okechukwu

    There are no mainstream IQ researchers. Real scientists avoid the topic like the plague because it’s pointless. I’m of pure African descent and I’m not exactly the least intelligent person here. In fact, quite the contrary. So only someone of devious motives would waste time and energy trying to “prove” that Africans are less intelligent. We already have conclusive proof that Africans are not less intelligent. They knew this hundreds of years ago. They knew it during American slavery, which is why slaves were forbidden to learn to read or write. Modern science and genetics have only confirmed what was already known so long ago, but which you clowns, having the benefit of modern science and genetics, refuse to acknowledge.

    Nigger logic.

  438. j2 says:
    @Okechukwu

    “You’re a loser for a reason, and that reason is stupidity. A smart person would understand that where there are more opportunities and more conducive environments there would be many more like Dr. Gates. It probably isn’t going to happen in Finland, ”

    I checked the number of PhDs in the USA and in Finland. From these figures we can get a rough estimate for the African American average IQ.

    The number of births in Finland was about 60,000 per year in 1990s and 30 years later the number of PhDs made has been about 1800 yearly. That is 3% of the year class makes a PhD. Assuming that they are the brightests, the PhD demand is about 128 IQ points. In reality not all bright make a PhD and the current PhD level is about 124 IQ points over all fields. (In education it is lower, maybe 117, and in math. and phys. higher, about 130).

    The Finnish population is 5.5 million, which is 92 times the year class of 60,000. This gives a formula to the percentage of the year class making a PhD:

    percentage to make PhD = (PhD theses in a year) * 92 / population

    Thus, in the USA the population is 327 million and in 2018 were made 79,000 PhD theses. This is

    percentage to make PhD in the USA = 79*92/327,000 =2.2%

    If the average PhD level is 124 IQ points and the USA average is 98, then the level is 26 points over average, 1.73 SD. That is 4.2% of the population. We see that about half of those who intellectually could make a PhD actually make it in the USA. In Finland the average IQ is 101, so the PhD level is 23/15=1,53 SD. That is 6,3% of the population. The percentage who make a PhD is 3%. This seems to fit well. About half of those who are able to do it actually do it. We can use the same rule for African Americans.

    There are 42.5 million African Americans and about 1900 make a PhD thesis yearly. The formula gives

    percentage to make PhD for African Americans = 1.9*92/42,500=0.0041, so 0.4% of African Americans make a PhD. Using the rule that twice as many are capable of doing it because of IQ, we get 0.8% African Americans are above the limit 124 IQ points. The value 0.8% corresponds to 2.66 SD, that is 36 IQ points. Then the average IQ of African Americans is 124-36=88 IQ points. It is probably a bit smaller than that because a larger part of African American PhD theses is in education. We get to the usual estimate of 85-87 IQ average to African Americans. Let is be 87.

    From this figure we can estimate that for Finns to have 155 IQ requires 3.6 SD, while for African Americans this level is 4.5 SD. There are 50 times more people over the level 3.6 SD than over the level 4.5 SD. As there are 7.7 times as many African Americans, there are 50/7.7=6.5 times as many Finns over the level 155 IQ than there are African Americans. In numbers it is about 800 Finns and about 124 African Americans. This means that we certainly can find very clever African Americans, but we can also find very clever Finns.

    If we go to Africa, which the population of 1 billion, naturally we will find quite many intelligent people, even though they are rare and currently the majority of the population does not have a chance to reach the 87 IQ genetic intelligence, they are closer to the environmental 70 IQ points. The Finnish population is not growing, or not growing because of Finns. So, finally there will be more Africans with an IQ over 155 than Finns. This is natural.

    For the time being, with average IQ at 70, to reach 155 would mean 5.5 SD. That is so rare that tables do not give it. For 5 SD there is the value 0.0000003. Multiplying it with 1 billion gives 300 people. There are 800 Finns over this figure and only 300 Black Africans.

    But naturally, you do not believe in statistics.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  439. @Svigor

    SVIGOR

    It is really debasing for white men to reduce themselves to the level of blacks with childish obscenity and slurs.

    I don’t like this Nigerian baboon baring his fangs either but a white man should be able to maintain a civilized debate without toilet stall racial epithets.

    In all fairness to the Ibo, he has not resorted to them.

  440. Okechukwu says:
    @j2

    It’s a shame you still don’t understand how human intelligence works and you call yourself a scientist.

    Take this garbage to a court of law and you’ll be laughed out of the building. That’s a court of law everywhere, including Finland.

    Anyway, I doubt Finland as a whole has a higher percentage of PhD’s than Nigerian-Americans. Nigerians do love getting PhD’s.

  441. @Svigor

    LOL

    its funny but you should reduce yourself to his level

  442. @Okechukwu

    Douglas Todd

    Well known guy.

    Refugees earn more than most Canadians after 25 years

    The refugees Canada took in those days were Vietnamese people, some Tamil people escaping the encurring Civil War in Sri Lanka, the Indian immigrants running from Uganda after Idi Amin’s expulsion as well as some Punjabis who were political dissidents of the Khalistani movements, or just regular Punjabis running after the anti-Sikh progroms in the 1980s. We didnt take many Negroids for that matter, and since the article says 25 years or whatever, I’m probably right. This is also a clear attempt at blurring the lines, as he refuses to diistinguish between differences that exist between these different groups, so it’s quite irrelevant to your argument, and contrary to your arrogance, it does not prove anything. Nothing at all.

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/190212/dq190212a-eng.htm

    Among Syrian refugees aged 20 to 59 who arrived in 2015 and 2016, 24% of males and 8% of females were employed on Census Day (May 10)

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-trudeau-government-goes-silent-on-syrian-refugees

    But employment fell to 10 per cent among the larger cohort of “government-assisted” refugees,

    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/analysis-many-syrian-refugees-still-struggling-after-12-full-months-in-canada

    Syrian families with four or more children – which make up the majority of Syrian families in Canada – can get about $50,000 a year in taxpayer-funded benefits.

    Not very helpful.

    [MORE]

    Sudanese Refugee Graduates From Ivy League School

    Morris Kaunda Michael was five-years-old when his family fled war-torn Sudan for a refugee camp in Kenya. He braved the camp, came to the U.S. and got accepted at Columbia University. Michael, who recently completed his degree in biomedical engineering, shares his journey from refugee to graduate.

    https://www.npr.org/2011/05/27/136715569/sudanese-refugee-graduates-from-ivy-league-school

    Daughter of SomaliRefugees accepted to all 8 Ivy League Schools

    Munira Khalif, a senior at Mounds Park Academy in St. Paul, Minnesota, told NBC affiliate KARE that she was accepted to all eight Ivy League schools — plus several other prestigious universities.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/minnesota-teen-munira-khalif-accepted-all-eight-ivy-league-schools-n338661

    https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/2-years-in-finding-work-a-challenge-for-syrian-refugees-1.3757526

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/03/syrian-refugees-canada_a_23426295/

    God these are useless people(look who I’m talking to).
    Son of Somali Refugees Heading to Yale on a Full Ride

    Ayanle Nur might have been in his high school Spanish class on December 3, but his mind was elsewhere. The seventeen-year-old DSST Green Valley Ranch senior and son of Somali refugees was awaiting the most important news of his life: whether he had been accepted to his dream school, Yale University.

    Simple. Ape-firmative action. How hard was that to debunk? Not very . Gotta try harder.

    You’re also using Somalis as an example. Oof, you’re almost making this too easy.

    http://atwork.settlement.org/downloads/Settlement_Experiences_Eritrean_Somali_Parents_Toronto.pdf

    Somalis have a fertility rate of 6.8 children compared to the Canadian rate of 1.2

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/somali-war-criminals-in-the-news/?highlight=Somali#comment-3218311

    http://ocasi.org/sites/default/files/OCASI_Presentation_Somali_Resettlement_Metropolis_2016.pdf

    ] In terms of other education indicators, the number of Somali-speaking
    students who dropped out of high school in Toronto was estimated at 25% according to a TDSB
    commissioned report. Higher suspension rates and lower achievements in

    http://atwork.settlement.org/downloads/Settlement_Experiences_Eritrean_Somali_Parents_Toronto.pdf

    page 31, chart 4. Both groups are welfare leeches lol

    Typical of negroids to be fair

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  443. @j2

    Be careful about posting your real name to this site, or on the internet at all. Be extra careful and vigilant here, we don’t want you to be vilified because of guilt by association to this forum of “Racists” or whatnot

  444. Okechukwu says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Shut-up, you smelly hindu. Black Canadians have been there from the beginning. They are more inventive, more accomplished, more famous, more dynamic and more successful than you Indians.

    Why a piece of shit like you thinks he can look down on black people is baffling. You are literally less relevant the crud stuck to the bottom of my shoe.

    Btw, you are at Res-level stupidity. In addition to your stupidity, you have a serious mental illness, making you a very dumb psychopath. You’re not worth a second of my time.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  445. j2 says:

    “Be careful about posting your real name to this site, or on the internet at all. Be extra careful and vigilant here, we don’t want you to be vilified because of guilt by association to this forum of “Racists” or whatnot”

    Thanks Dude, but I never write or say anything as anonymous. I think one should always appear under his name and say only things that no police will object to. One can use a penname, like j2, for a number of reasons, but the real name should not be hidden. Anyway, the police can find you whatever anonymous name you use should you do something illegal.

    Just to make it clear to the real police, the unofficial thought police, and to everybody, I am no racist, and no antisemite (even though I have correctly calculated the death toll of the holocaust: it was so simple arithmetics that I had to do it, I refuse to think of math. as a crime). I do not hate anybody, nor do I instigate any violence between ethnic or other groups.

    I do not dislike Africans, though our African friend could do better by being less offensive. Indeed, the time I was in Mali was an UN activity, help for developing countries, and we had the best intentions. It was meant to help African countries to develop telecommunications by arranging a workshop with Western experts who could advice them, only that the locals decided not to participate, so nothing useful came out of that workshop. But we saw what the state really was, and that was useful, gives you the correct view. The people there were no morons, which is also visible if you follow the French satellite channel TV5, but Mali was undeveloped. It was before the present violence in Mali.

    Yet the history that we have been told is in many cases quite false, and that is absolutely true. And I do not doubt that IQ tests between different countries show what they show. It is highly unlikely that all IQ researchers have cheated in all those scientific publications, as our African friend claims.

  446. You are wasting your time trying to reason with this Oke guy. He us true-believer in P.C. doctrine, and true-believers in any doctrine can not be moved by reason, or facts. He is emotionally dependent on P.C doctrine, because it relieves his well-founded racial-inferiority complex.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @j2
  447. j2 says:
    @Professional Stranger

    “You are wasting your time trying to reason with this Oke guy.”

    Of course my old buddy Dude and even me understand all that. But to give the fair chance is to play the fair game. It is pretty much the same as to give the Wiz of Unz the fair chance to explain his faulty argument and even help him with that in the logical points, as Wiz can put the words fine. You know and I know that Wiz will cheat in the end, he always does, but he was given all the chance there is to play straight at least one time in a lifetime. About this Oke guy, I have tamed so many stray dogs and cats, who were aggressive because they were afraid, but humans are nothing like animals. These people are not afraid, it is not so. They do not have any inferiority complex. They really have the good old-fashioned superiority complex. They feel superior to you. They may not have IQ 3.6 SD, but no matter, they are more intelligent than you. To deal with them is more like trying to tame a lion. Ever tried to tame a wild lion? There is no chance to tame a wild lion. Some trolls here in Unz did say to me something like “I am sorry I called you dumb idiot asshole, I see you are OK”, but they were white trolls. Oke will not say so, nor will he think so. Never, ever. From many studies we know exactly what blacks think of white people. Yet, we do differently because we are as we are. And we do things not because they help anything but because the code demands that they be done.

  448. @Okechukwu

    You’ve given me far more than a second of your time, but alas that is the intelligence of a negroid. Blacks everywhere have been useless so by extension they have achieved nothing. Straight facts.Literally the least accomplished group anywhere and everywhere. Actually plenty of people complain about black people smelling too, so glass houses. You’re a pretty useless negroid.

  449. j2 says:
    @Professional Stranger

    “He us true-believer in P.C. doctrine, ”

    I do not think he is a believer in P.C. doctrine. He believes that Nigerians have a very high IQ. He very easily accepts that Somalies have a much lower IQ than Nigerians. He is a Nigerian supremacist.

    I think the reason is very simple: he has found out from some statistics that Nigerians, who immigrate to the USA, have the average IQ of 110. They are mostly students going to study in American universities, so it is very likely that they have this average IQ. It is actually lower than the average IQ of students in the American universities where they go (which probably is about 120-125).

    Students have a higher IQ than the country average. People, who today move from Northern Europe to the USA, mostly move there to do doctorate studies or have managed to get a professorship of some kind (like an assistant professor), so their average IQ is probably around 130. These selected groups of students or young academics do not in any way tell what the average IQ is in the country.

    But he thinks that if Nigerians in the USA have the average of 110, then Nigerians in Nigeria must have the same average IQ of 110, only the IQ researchers are lying.

    He has also noticed that there are more intelligent blacks in Nigeria than could be if the genetic average IQ were 70, thus he claims IQ research is false. Of course he is correct, there are more intelligent blacks: the genetic average IQ of Africans is not 70. Nobody claims the genetic IQ average is 70. The value 70 is the actual value you measure today and it is largely a result of poor schools. The genetic average IQ is estimated to be 85. Because of this, from any privileged group (like rich Nigerians) one can find much more intelligent Africans than were possible if the genetic average IQ were 70.

    Finally he has searched for intelligent black people and found them. He could find one esteemed black professor of theoretical physics, Dr. Gates. Of course there are some intelligent blacks. In the USA in 36 years some 400 blacks made a PhD in physics, compared to some 24,000 whites, who also made a PhD in physics in this time period. There are about 10 black professors of physics in the USA, not all from theoretical physics. The rest of these professors of physics, a quite large number in the USA, are mainly whites, some are Asian. But by cherry picking the black he finds that there are very many very bright blacks and IQ research must be false.

    That’s his three arguments against IQ research. All his arguments are false and that’s about it.

  450. Okechukwu says:

    I see a few of the Unz Review dumbasses have converged here:

    A college professor and physicist who doesn’t understand the scientific method or how scientific experimentation works, which is probably why he tried to scam a million dollars with a fake theorem.

    Some joker who thinks that Richard Lynn is a real scholar and researcher.

    A smelly, servile hindu who thinks he can “join the club” if he licks enough white supremacist ass. But the dumb hindu doesn’t understand that white people prefer black people to Indians, white women especially.

    LOL. Have at it, you imbeciles.

  451. j2 says:

    “which is probably why he tried to scam a million dollars with a fake theorem.”

    My theorems are not fake and have not scammed anything. But you, the African genius, are concocting fake arguments for a superior Nigerian IQ. You have lost all credibility. Just stop.

  452. @Lot

    Nice find. Didn’t know about this one.

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