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It's All About Russia
Hillary and the neocons know who to blame for Trump
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Many issues characteristically beloved by Democrats are being raised to disparage Donald Trump. The man has been maligned as a racist, a bigot, as unfit for office and even described as a psychopath, presumably in contrast to Hillary Clinton who loves people of every color and shape as long as they are not living next door and will faithfully vote Democratic after they are afforded entry into the United States and amnestied. Hillary, who has held nearly every senior government office that a human being can reasonably aspire to but the one she is currently lusting after, is unlike Trump only sufficiently deranged to kill people if they live somewhere in the third world and can’t do anything about it.

A persistent line emanating from the “national security” experts who have flocked to Hillary’s side is that Trump would threaten the safety of the United States. That many of the crossovers are neoconservatives who have brought us a number of unnecessary wars in the past fifteen years is pretty much ignored by the media just as the argument that the U.S. has a presumptive right to intervene militarily wherever and whenever it chooses is generally accepted. The latest talking head who stands firm for national security is Paul Wolfowitz, who was interviewed by the German magazine Der Spiegel on August 26th. Some readers might recall Wolfowitz. He was the number two at the Pentagon under Donald Rumsfeld. A forceful advocate for the Iraq war, he is famous for having observed that the Iraqis would welcome the American invasion and that the war would pay for itself rather than the $5 plus trillion that it has actually cost. How he came to the latter erroneous conclusion is not very clear, though it may have had something to do with looting Iraq’s oil reserves and exporting them through a pipeline to Israel, an idea that was once floated by Wolfowitz’s godfather Richard Perle.

Wolfowitz has never been apologetic. He now claims that he was deluded by the information provided by the intelligence establishment into believing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, an odd claim as he himself was largely responsible for the bad intelligence through his setting-up of the Office of Special Plans, a separate organization within the Pentagon intended to critique and supplement what CIA was producing.

Wolfowitz’s zeal was rewarded by George W. Bush, who appointed him head of the World Bank, a position that he was forced to relinquish when it was determined that he had been concealing his relationship with a woman who worked for him as well as promoting her far beyond organizational guidelines. He was also accused of general mismanagement. Some things apparently never change.

In any event, Wolfowitz, who has now characteristically found yet another comfortable and well remunerated niche at the largely defense contractor funded American Enterprise Institute, has finally joined the neocon host that is working for a Hillary victory in November. They understand that it is a bread-and-butter issue. Hillary is clearly predisposed to continue the kinds of mindlessly aggressive policies that have made Neoconservatism Inc. and its vibrant cash flow possible in the first place.

More to the point however, in the real world both Hillary and Wolfie sometimes visit, there is renewed enthusiasm for jumping on the hate Russia bandwagon. To belong to that club one has to repeatedly accuse Moscow of interfering in American politics, preferably without any evidence at all to support the claim. Not surprisingly, the reality is actually quite different. It is the Hillary camp that has injected Russia into the campaign debate to use it as a bludgeon to beat on Trump. They do so without considering that regular excoriation of Russia in the media and from various political pulpits might actually have consequences.

Wolfowitz believes it is weakness in a leader to avoid confrontation with adversaries. He writes that Trump’s apparent desire to “step back” from crises in the world makes him “Obama squared.” It is a principal reason why he will likely be voting for Clinton in November. He describes Trump as a security risk precisely “because he admires Putin” and is “unconcerned about the Russian aggression in Ukraine. By doing this he tells them that they can go ahead and do what they are doing. That is dangerous” as “Putin is behaving in a very dangerous way.”

In a recent speech Hillary Clinton also piled on Russia while affirming that she is now the candidate of “American exceptionalism,” an obvious ploy to attract even more neocons and dissident GOP hawks. Hillary has also denounced Trump’s appearance on stage with Nigel Farage, who headed the successful British Brexit movement. Hillary declared Farage to be both racist and sexist before castigating him for being a stooge of the Russians. His crime? Appearing on Russia Today television, where the author of this piece has also appeared numerous times.

So Farage and Trump are together part of Hillary’s alleged vast right wing conspiracy and the strings for that are being pulled by Moscow. She went on to call Putin “the godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism” before launching an attack on Trump personally, claiming that he “heaps praise on Putin and embraces pro-Russian policies.” And he does that because there is something “wrong” about him: he is part of a “paranoid fringe in our politics, steeped in racial resentment.”

Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook took the argument still further, observing that “Trump is just a puppet of the Kremlin,” taking the claim that Trump is a Putin collaborator and elevating it to make him a true Manchurian candidate, a tool of what used to be Godless communism but is now something more like a revival of the Holy Russian Empire run by the KGB.

Justin Raimondo notes that putting all the bits together one comes up with a Hillary view that her nemesis Donald Trump is the face of a “Vast Right Wing Pro-Russian Conspiracy,” making him an enemy that comprises both domestic and international threats, producing a target rich environment for the slings and arrows produced by Hillary and her hack speech writers.

The Clinton view of Putin is particularly ironic as it runs against the frequently expressed Russian government desire to work together with Washington to solve mutual problems, to include dealing with Islamic terrorism and stabilizing the Middle East. Putin in fact pulled President Barack Obama’s chestnuts out of the fire in 2013 when the latter got caught in a series of lies relating to Syria’s alleged chemical weapons.

It would be bad enough if a delusional Hillary Clinton were alone, a voice crying in the wilderness, but she is not. She is supported by a growing number of neoconservatives as well as the Establishment Dems in her own party. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid has called on the FBI to investigate whether the Putin government is trying to undermine the November ballot, implying that they might try to cyber-meddle with election results. Of course, if Hillary wins as expected he will fade back into the woodwork and stop complaining.

And then there is the media, which is playing its part by fearmongering. On August 18th The reliably neocon Washington Post featured two op-eds, one written by David Kramer and the other by Angela Stent. Kramer, who is a Senior Director with the McCain Institute for International Leadership and an ex-George W. Bush official, posits that “Russia is now a threat. The U.S. should treat it like one.” That an ex-GWB official should expound on sound policy from the pulpit of an institute reflecting the values of Senator John McCain might be considered comical, but Kramer asserts that “Russia under Vladimir Putin is an authoritarian, kleptocratic regime that poses a serious threat to our values, interests and allies. We should contain and deter Russian aggression…”

Kramer cites the familiar examples of Ukraine, Crimea and Syria as evidence of Putin’s bestiality but his descriptions are curiously one-sided, making it appear that Russia is invariably purely malevolent while all the alleged victims are peace loving and high minded democrats-to-be. Such thinking is, of course, nonsense. Putin is a realist and a nationalist who is well aware of his country’s limitations but who is willing to protect his genuine interests. Would that President Hillary Clinton might be intelligent enough to do the same.

In the second op-ed Stent, who directs the Center for Eurasian, Russian and East European Studies at Georgetown University, blames Russia for failing to integrate into “Euro-Atlantic and global institutions” while also “thwart[ing]” America’s “commitment to create a peaceful, rules-based post-Cold War order.”

I must have missed some of the recent history that Stent recalls so unambiguously, possibly because I was somehow misled by the reported looting of Russia by the west and the western aligned oligarchs as well as the more recent interference in the country’s internal affairs by Congress and the White House. She also seems unaware that the United States has a far worse international record than Russian since 1991, invading Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya while also interfering in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia. And, oh yes, there was also that little matter of expanding NATO up to Russia’s doorstep, which just might seem provocative, as well as the direct encouragement of anti-Russian sentiment and worse in Georgia and Ukraine.

Stent admits that she does not know if Moscow actually hacked U.S. computers or released embarrassing information about candidates, but she nevertheless is confident enough to see Russia as “clearly intend[ing] to sow doubts about the legitimacy of our democratic election process.” What to do? Forget about any reset with Putin and instead consider building up military strength to “deter any further attempts by Russia to destabilize its neighboring countries.”

One has to wonder what stimulants they are serving in the coffee at the McCain Center and Georgetown, but it really doesn’t matter as the Wolfowitzes, Clintons, Kramers and Stents of this world are all bottom feeding out of the same gravy boat. For them, a world in conflict with a genuinely dangerous enemy that keeps them employed is a highly valuable commodity. The only problem is that Russia might really, really get pissed off by all the flatulence being directed at it. That could become very dangerous.

 
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  1. Allow me to interject humor. Watch this recent exchange where a CNN anchor attempts to diss a Trump spokesman who claims Hillary’s team destroyed Blackberrys with a hammer.

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  2. I’m fascinated by the way Hillary has gone all in on the alleged Putin threat. Is she so confident that this will help her chances of being elected? I have been disappointed by how stupid some of my fellow liberals, the handful I’ve actually talked to about this issue, have been about Russia and Putin. But are so many people so far gone on this issue that it’s a selling point? For me, the more she bashes Putin and Russia (and conspiracy theorists!), the more I can’t stand her, if it’s possible for me to despise her any more than I already have for over a decade.

    I don’t know. I really thought that in the aftermath of the invasion of Iraq, more people would be more skeptical of the MSM, but I think I underestimated the power of party partisanship. A lot of people clearly have really given Obama the benefit of the doubt (and would do the same for a Clinton).

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  3. I find Sailer and Larison’s anti-anti-Russian writing much more congenial than some of the Russian propagandists published here.

    Is it possible to dislike both the extreme anti and extreme pro-Russians equally?

    To belong to that club one has to repeatedly accuse Moscow of interfering in American politics, preferably without any evidence at all to support the claim.

    Oh no, Russia would never ever do that!

    In reality, they do it and we do the same. Usually we are much better at it. USA USA!!!

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    • Replies: @animalogic
    EVIDENCE please.
    , @Brad Smith
    While I have no doubt that Russia and China and everyone else is busy hacking and spying in every single way they can, that does not mean that anyone has been ordered to subvert our political system using those hacks or the spying. While Putin may very well prefer a Trump presidency he must know that it's better than even odds no matter what he does that he will have to deal with Hillary. He would also have to know that any effort that he would make could backfire in many ways. Including actually working in Hillary's behalf. It would be extraordinary for the Russians to actually try and change our elections because of the potential downsides, which are huge.

    The US gets away with all their regime changes, coups and colored revolutions but Russia can't do the same without being hit sanctions and more cries of Russian aggression. So it would be an incredibly foolish move to try and mess with the US elections. Putin is many things but a fool is not one of them.

    It's a huge leap from spying and hacking to deliberately trying to change the outcome of elections. And without evidence to back up this claim I would say that it's simply nonsense. You have no proof and you have no motive. On the other hand we have both proof and motive in regards to the fact that the Neo-cons are doing their best to isolate Putin, which includes a smear campaign against him.
  4. Wolfowitz’s continued prominence demonstrates the counter-intuitive adage that neocons get to fail upwards.

    Being conspicuously wrong no longer has the type of consequences normally associated with public failure. Though of course it should. But times have changed. Who’s rigging the show? In no small way, dishonest media has helped keep this phony operation above water. It’s a deception of staggering magnitude.

    In neocon circles, being wrong (but unapologetic about it) has actually become a ticket to greater access and increased visibility. William Kristol has perfected this lifestyle. But rewarding disaster tends to bring more of the same.

    In the private sector, the marketplace is designed to send failure into oblivion–or at least, bankruptcy court.

    But in the corrupt corridors of revolving neocon power, these warlords in suits (like Wolfowitz) get to keep their jobs, negotiate a raise, and maintain their status as authority figures and elite pundits. This leaky ship cannot for much longer float.

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    • Replies: @Rurik

    In neocon circles, being wrong (but unapologetic about it) has actually become a ticket to greater access ...
     
    but I'm sure you understand that from the neocon perspective, they weren't wrong at all. Rather, they were right on target. Look at Iraq and Libya and Syria... others. They've been destroyed, and their societies are in smoking ruins, and their citizens set at each other's throats. This is pure Old Testament hate, raw and full to the brim with vengeance, as is the OT god:

    "I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives..." Deuteronomy 32:42

    "So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. And they killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. And the sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods, they plundered. Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire. And they took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast. And they brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses..." Numbers 31:

    “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. “And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day. “And you shall purify for yourselves every garment and every article of leather and all the work of goats’ hair, and all articles of wood.” Deut. 20:16-17,

    Now I don't pretend to be a Biblical scholar, but I've been listening to this radio station of late that broadcasts a reading of the King James bible, and I've just been reminded of the terrible wrath of the OT God, and it shivers me timbers to realize that this is the stuff we see unfolding on the world today.

    So no, 'they' don't look at what Wolfowitz and Pearle have wrought, and say 'failure'. Nope. The reason Wolfowitz and the rest of the neocons are still in power is because they have succeeded amazingly. Indeed, if they have failed, it's only because Iran and Lebanon and other enemies of the Old Testament god have not yet perished under their vengeance:

    “Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." 1 Sam. 15:3,

    “Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you”


    failure and success depend on your perspective

    it's all relative
    , @Captain Willard
    Mr. Green: applying the term "failure" depends upon one's understanding of the objective. If the Neocon objective was to spend lots of money on war and have their defense contractor buddies get rich in the process, I would call it a "success".

    For the rest of us servicing the government debt as tax mules, the Neocon Era was indeed a disastrous failure. I can tell you from the perspective of a DC native that the unprecedented prosperity of the DC "national defense" Nomenklatura suggests that we've not seen the last of the Neocons by any stretch of the imagination.
    , @Fabio Bodine
    Why do you describe the neo-cons as failures? The more chaos, privation and godless bloody murder they could conjure -- the better: They've got their clash of civilizations roiling at full steam, with no end in sight. Mission Accomplished.

    Is there anything so sexually satisfying to a Judean than the notion of endless trainloads of dead goyim?

    Has it not been said for centuries that wars are the Jews' harvests? And, as Bibi infamously quipped: "America is expendable.
  5. So they’re not really afraid of Russia as a military or geopolitical threat, they’re afraid of the ideologies Russia represents.

    Well, get used it to it. The old Western European middle class that upheld Enlightenment values is unlikely to hold against the weight of the world, both demographically and ideologically. Liberal democracy was a poorly conceived idea from the beginning. It will continue to go down its irreversible decline until it is little more than a wishful phrase uttered by third worlders, and never actually practiced.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting thought. Would you care to spell out why "liberal democracy was a poorly conceived idea from the beginning"? I promise you will get acknowledgment when it is used as a frequent question - with the command "Comment" added - on Foreign Service entrance exam papers :-)
    , @gwynedd1
    Yep, kind of amazing to see the debates about wether dogs should be leashed or not without getting into the kind of dog.
  6. Regarding the United States record since 1991, don’t overlook its military interventions in the former Yugoslavia.

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    • Replies: @Khan Bodin
    It's that how it's euphemistaically called in liberal language. Training a terrorist organization on a territory of a neigboruring country, calling that terrorist organization freedom fighters or liberation army, have them infiltrate and carry terrorist attacks, and when the attacked party start killing your terrorist rats, go on a propaganda program about "civilian casulties" and launch an invasion or a bombing campaign on a story how you must protect civilians. Then target all civilian and industrial sites and infrastructure of a party killing your invading terrorist rats and tell how your are doing it peacefully to bring freedom to the people or to liberate people you are bombing from a nasty dictator who doesn't want to follow your orders. That's what western filth has also attempted to do in Syria. Never got to bombing campain though, thanks to Russia.
  7. In a squeeze it will probably be on many fronts as well. The fools in Washington seem to forget that a serious slap down of the United States is a potential open road for wanabe world powers such as China.

    Work toward mutual prosperity is in everyone’s best interests.

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  8. The only problem is that Russia might really, really get pissed off by all the flatulence being directed at it. That could become very dangerous.

    I’m afraid the glibness of this sentence under emphasizes the true extent of the danger. To Russians, this “flatulence” sounds eerily familiar to the Nazi anti-communist campaigns of the 1930s. They take it very seriously.

    Americans don’t seem to realize that if TSHTF with Russia, they won’t be able to argue on Facebook about how it’s all Russia’s fault. It won’t matter. If Hillary gets elected, I recommend people break out, and get to work on, their bucket lists because we’ll all be well and truly screwed. Please, for the sake of humanity, Trump! or, barring that, an incapacitated HRC before the elections.

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    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    "To Russians, this “flatulence” sounds eerily familiar to the Nazi anti-communist campaigns of the 1930s. They take it very seriously. "

    I suggest that the "flatulence" is virtually identical to the campaign begun in 1933 by the World Jewish Congress against another nationalist in Germany, and another campaign begun in 1983 by the Israelis against a nationalist in Iraq. Is it a co-incidence that the Wolfowitz apple didn't fall far from the tree?

    , @Arnieus
    Note to Social Justice Crybabies. A war with Russia and or China will not just be on TV. And there will be no safe spaces.
  9. HRC has the important DIEBOLD/ESS voting bloc locked up, making her coronation certain.

    If you think that HRC will relinquish power once she gets her grubby, bloody paws on the WH, think again.

    We’ll be set upon by endless False Flags by those nasty Muzzies, forcing HRC to declare martial law, for our safety, of course, and only till the perps are taken care of, which will be never.

    Try saying this: Chelsea Clinton as Secretary of State in HRC’s 2nd term.

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  10. The more Hillary and the media pile on Vlad,the stupider they look…and the better he does! Our candidates should STFU about Russia and talk about important matters. I don’t have a TV so I don’t know for sure but…. have any of the candidates even mentioned Yucca Mountain? Anybody ever hear any politician speak about this? Nah! If it doesn’t have anything to do with the “Middle-East” they’re not interested. Meanwhile….seriously dangerous shit is leaking all over the place….how about Hanford,Washington and the seepage of all that bad shit into the Columbia River?…..Nah!..If something doesn’t concern Israel or Iran,it doesn’t concern our politicians….or those who handle them.

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  11. “He describes Trump as a security risk precisely “because he admires Putin” and is “unconcerned about the Russian aggression in Ukraine. ”

    Well, of course, there is no Russian aggression in Ukraine. There is Anglo/Zio imperial aggression in Ukraine. Wolfowitz (and Hillary) is a lying piece of shit. Worse, a murdering piece of shit. Our ruling class is in the service of evil. What should we do about it?

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    • Replies: @Khan Bodin
    What aggression, you offspring of an Anglo criminal from Aussiestan? You mean when your junta whom you just brought to power launch an aggression on a people of a region who doesn't want to follow orders of your agents? You are a moronic lying creature, Anglo. And rest assured that anyone with half a brain immidiately notice it.
  12. They must be terrified of what is in those emails and that Trump now leads in the polls, despite the biggest smear campaign in history. Have read a few comments from people on more mainstream websites than this one and this proposal has been met with the derision it deserves.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    "This proposal"??? What proposal are you referring to?
  13. I’m sorry Dr. Giraldi – It’s All about Israel.

    Donald Trump is demonized not because he supports Putin, who is also courted by Netanyahu – But because, Trump is more stuck on immigration and anti-Muslim rhetoric than warmongering foreign policy like Hillary Clinton.

    No American in his/her right mind believes that America would ever dare to invade Russia loaded with nuclear bombs. But, most American would love to drop their pants if a war-cry comes against enemies (Muslims) of Israel.

    On July 21, 2016, Zionist-Jew Daniel Pipes, the Jewish Lobby expert on Islam and Middle East, in an Op-Post at Philly Com owned by Jewish millionaire Edward Malcolm Snider, announced that he is saying good-bye to his 44-year GOP membership over party’s choice of Donald Trump, a Judas Goat, as its presidential candidate to run against Israel favorite Sen. Hillary Clinton.

    “Trump’s boorish, selfish, puerile, and repulsive character, combined with his prideful ignorance, his off-the-cuff policy making, and his neo-fascistic tendencies make him the most divisive and scary of any serious presidential candidate in American history. He is precisely the man the founders feared,” Pipes said….

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/07/23/daniel-pipes-trump-is-a-neo-fascist/

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    • Replies: @dahoit
    Americans,after 9-11,were mad as hell at Muslims,and that anger translated into the zionists putting one over our political class in invading Iraq and destabilizing the whole region.
    But don't think the American people are not wise to the threat that zion has inflicted on US,as Donald Trump's support is largely made up of those wised up Americans who finally realize America's real business is right here at home.
    Wolfowitz;I wanna lick your comb.(Fats Domino)A disgusting human,but he is only the tip of the goldberg.
  14. Putin is a realist and a nationalist

    Yeah just look at his “nationalist” policies in effect in Moscow

    http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/MoscowMuslimsFillStreetsRamadan.jpg

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    • Replies: @Khan Bodin
    Russia has always been home of Muslims. Personal guard of Russian Czars was made of Muslims. Big portion of the Red Army was also made of Muslims. For centuries Muslim Russians stood side by side with Orthodox Russians in every war for their Fatherland. Islam is part of Russia just as Orthodoxy is. They are all Russians first, and have for centuries fought and died together. Like I said, Islam has always been part of Russia. That's other difference between Russia and the West. In Russia Muslim Russians fight and die for her, whereas in the West Muslims have to fight to have their religious customs respected.
    , @CalDre
    In case you can open your mind, realize that nationalism is not a religious preference but a national preference. The Russian Federation (nation) is the largest country on earth and is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-lingual federation. The large majority are Orthodox Christian / Rus Slav / Russophones, but minorities are fully respected, as it should be (well, although there are over 1 million Muslims in Moscow, they have only 4 mosques, so there is some discrimination in that regard).

    Most of the Russian Muslims come from the Volga-Ural region but many work in Moscow due to lack of jobs in their regions. Since Russian Federation is one country. just like in US, citizens can freely travel and engage in work anywhere in the country. Note these Muslims are not immigrants as they are in EU and, to some extent, US (many US Muslims are converts, particularly among African-Americans).

    For more information about Muslims in Russian Federation, see http://islam.ru/en/content/story/islam-russia .
  15. These people must suffer personal consequences for all their lies, crimes and aggressions. The punishment must be at the PERSONAL level. Otherwise this whole bullcrap will never end.

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    • Replies: @anonymous

    These people must suffer personal consequences for all their lies, crimes and aggressions. The punishment must be at the PERSONAL level.
     
    how far down the food chain does these people who must suffer personal consequences go?

    Jews have prosecuted now-90-year old baggage handlers as "accessories to the murder of 170,000 innocent people" and strong-armed courts into imposing prison sentences on them.

    Are the likes of a Ken Pollock, or Michael O'Hanlon, or Danielle Pletka, Brian Katulis, Juan Zarate, and the boatload of feckless neocon water-carrying journalists/stenographers any less complicit in crimes against the Iraqi people than were then-18-year old baggage handlers in Germany in 1943?
  16. @Mark Green
    Wolfowitz's continued prominence demonstrates the counter-intuitive adage that neocons get to fail upwards.

    Being conspicuously wrong no longer has the type of consequences normally associated with public failure. Though of course it should. But times have changed. Who's rigging the show? In no small way, dishonest media has helped keep this phony operation above water. It's a deception of staggering magnitude.

    In neocon circles, being wrong (but unapologetic about it) has actually become a ticket to greater access and increased visibility. William Kristol has perfected this lifestyle. But rewarding disaster tends to bring more of the same.

    In the private sector, the marketplace is designed to send failure into oblivion--or at least, bankruptcy court.

    But in the corrupt corridors of revolving neocon power, these warlords in suits (like Wolfowitz) get to keep their jobs, negotiate a raise, and maintain their status as authority figures and elite pundits. This leaky ship cannot for much longer float.

    In neocon circles, being wrong (but unapologetic about it) has actually become a ticket to greater access …

    but I’m sure you understand that from the neocon perspective, they weren’t wrong at all. Rather, they were right on target. Look at Iraq and Libya and Syria… others. They’ve been destroyed, and their societies are in smoking ruins, and their citizens set at each other’s throats. This is pure Old Testament hate, raw and full to the brim with vengeance, as is the OT god:

    “I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives…” Deuteronomy 32:42

    “So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. And they killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. And the sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods, they plundered. Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire. And they took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast. And they brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses…” Numbers 31:

    “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. “And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day. “And you shall purify for yourselves every garment and every article of leather and all the work of goats’ hair, and all articles of wood.” Deut. 20:16-17,

    Now I don’t pretend to be a Biblical scholar, but I’ve been listening to this radio station of late that broadcasts a reading of the King James bible, and I’ve just been reminded of the terrible wrath of the OT God, and it shivers me timbers to realize that this is the stuff we see unfolding on the world today.

    So no, ‘they’ don’t look at what Wolfowitz and Pearle have wrought, and say ‘failure’. Nope. The reason Wolfowitz and the rest of the neocons are still in power is because they have succeeded amazingly. Indeed, if they have failed, it’s only because Iran and Lebanon and other enemies of the Old Testament god have not yet perished under their vengeance:

    “Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” 1 Sam. 15:3,

    “Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you”

    failure and success depend on your perspective

    it’s all relative

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    • Replies: @2Frothy4
    Having just read "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine, I hear you...loud &clear!
    , @Carroll Price
    Thanks Rurik. Like you, I'm fully aware of who's running the show in Washington, and who's responsible for instigating the current wars against Israel's biblical enemies. If a sufficient number of Americans ever become aware of who's responsible for steering their country to the brink of ruin, they would correct the situation by dealing with the likes of Wolfowitz, and hundreds of other dual-loyalist occupying many of the highest, and most influential offices in Washington.
    , @annamaria
    “Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” 1 Sam. 15:3,

    ...And do the strikes with the US manpower and treasure.... A picture of a parasitoid and its host. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovo_T0KqdYg
  17. Excellent column.
    One Cold War was quite enough, thank you. It is by the grace of God that we got out of it with the world intact. Not satisfied with peace, the crazy Defense Establishment Lifers sowed disorder in the Middle East, and taking out an insurance policy for their future, missed not a single opportunity to drive home to the Russians that it would be madness afterall for them to take their own defense requirements for granted. Nice work, down there in the Beltway.
    Now the La Clinton team, patriots all, looks to exploit the entrenched ignorance of many Americans as to all things Russian by playing the familiar demonization game. Wasn’t La Clinton responsible for the “reset?” When you are a Clinton, there is no problem having it both ways.
    This is a danderous woman; and these are very dangerous people.

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  18. @Mark Green
    Wolfowitz's continued prominence demonstrates the counter-intuitive adage that neocons get to fail upwards.

    Being conspicuously wrong no longer has the type of consequences normally associated with public failure. Though of course it should. But times have changed. Who's rigging the show? In no small way, dishonest media has helped keep this phony operation above water. It's a deception of staggering magnitude.

    In neocon circles, being wrong (but unapologetic about it) has actually become a ticket to greater access and increased visibility. William Kristol has perfected this lifestyle. But rewarding disaster tends to bring more of the same.

    In the private sector, the marketplace is designed to send failure into oblivion--or at least, bankruptcy court.

    But in the corrupt corridors of revolving neocon power, these warlords in suits (like Wolfowitz) get to keep their jobs, negotiate a raise, and maintain their status as authority figures and elite pundits. This leaky ship cannot for much longer float.

    Mr. Green: applying the term “failure” depends upon one’s understanding of the objective. If the Neocon objective was to spend lots of money on war and have their defense contractor buddies get rich in the process, I would call it a “success”.

    For the rest of us servicing the government debt as tax mules, the Neocon Era was indeed a disastrous failure. I can tell you from the perspective of a DC native that the unprecedented prosperity of the DC “national defense” Nomenklatura suggests that we’ve not seen the last of the Neocons by any stretch of the imagination.

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    World Beyond War event at American U. in Washington, D.C.
    No War 2016: Real Security Without Terrorism
    http://worldbeyondwar.org/nowar2016/


    One of the invited speakers has been denied entry to the US. (Because of his criticism of US sanctioned torture in the war on terror?)
    https://diy.rootsaction.org/petitions/tell-u-s-to-let-craig-murray-into-the-country?link_id=4&can_id=19e6752b1f7957a48204dfa354f52137&source=email-us-denies-entry-to-former-british-ambassador-craig-murray-2&email_referrer=us-denies-entry-to-former-british-ambassador-craig-murray-2&email_subject=us-denies-entry-to-former-british-ambassador-craig-murray
    Tell U.S. to Let Craig Murray into the Country
    "Murray was forced out of the British public service after he exposed the use of torture by Britain's Uzbek allies. Murray is scheduled to chair the presentation of this year's Sam Adams Award for Integrity in Intelligence to CIA torture whistleblower John Kiriakou, and to speak about diplomacy as an alternative to war at a World Beyond War conference planned for September 23-25 in Washington, D.C."
  19. @Lot
    I find Sailer and Larison's anti-anti-Russian writing much more congenial than some of the Russian propagandists published here.

    Is it possible to dislike both the extreme anti and extreme pro-Russians equally?

    To belong to that club one has to repeatedly accuse Moscow of interfering in American politics, preferably without any evidence at all to support the claim.
     
    Oh no, Russia would never ever do that!

    In reality, they do it and we do the same. Usually we are much better at it. USA USA!!!

    EVIDENCE please.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    The thing with you fringey conspiracist people is that you are immune to drawing what other people see as obvious conclusions from evidence. You also reject evidence you don't like as coming from the ZOG and Mainstream Jewmedia.

    Anyone who is even mildly well-read knows that both Russia and the USA interfere with the internal politics of each other and with a large number of other countries. It is pretty clear that Putin has a large hacking operation (JUST LIKE THE USA and CHINA) and that the mass leaking of Hillary and DNC e-mails came from that operation. That's the opinion of the investigation of the hacking BEFORE the actual leaks came out. Putin has even winked and nodded about the whole thing. I think it is partly because Putin likes Trump, and partly because the Panama law firm hacking and mass leak looked like a CIA operation aimed at Putin's rich cronies who stash money overseas.

    I like Trump and hope he wins. But he did the right thing by dumping Manafort and his deep ties to the Putin-sphere. Steve Bannon is miles better.
  20. @Rehmat
    I'm sorry Dr. Giraldi - It's All about Israel.

    Donald Trump is demonized not because he supports Putin, who is also courted by Netanyahu - But because, Trump is more stuck on immigration and anti-Muslim rhetoric than warmongering foreign policy like Hillary Clinton.

    No American in his/her right mind believes that America would ever dare to invade Russia loaded with nuclear bombs. But, most American would love to drop their pants if a war-cry comes against enemies (Muslims) of Israel.

    On July 21, 2016, Zionist-Jew Daniel Pipes, the Jewish Lobby expert on Islam and Middle East, in an Op-Post at Philly Com owned by Jewish millionaire Edward Malcolm Snider, announced that he is saying good-bye to his 44-year GOP membership over party’s choice of Donald Trump, a Judas Goat, as its presidential candidate to run against Israel favorite Sen. Hillary Clinton.

    “Trump’s boorish, selfish, puerile, and repulsive character, combined with his prideful ignorance, his off-the-cuff policy making, and his neo-fascistic tendencies make him the most divisive and scary of any serious presidential candidate in American history. He is precisely the man the founders feared,” Pipes said....

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/07/23/daniel-pipes-trump-is-a-neo-fascist/

    Americans,after 9-11,were mad as hell at Muslims,and that anger translated into the zionists putting one over our political class in invading Iraq and destabilizing the whole region.
    But don’t think the American people are not wise to the threat that zion has inflicted on US,as Donald Trump’s support is largely made up of those wised up Americans who finally realize America’s real business is right here at home.
    Wolfowitz;I wanna lick your comb.(Fats Domino)A disgusting human,but he is only the tip of the goldberg.

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    The great majority of Trump supporters are not "so wise Americans" - but racist White racists who hate non-White immigrants and Muslims in particular. They portrays Muslim immigrants as rapist as if all those tens of millions of Europe's White hookers were church/synagogue-going pious women.

    According a 2013 report by the North American churches reported that 41% of Christian girls under age 13 had sex at least once.

    On August 29, to show his hatred toward nine million French Muslims, French prime minister Manuel Valls (married to a Jew) became a laughing stock when he claimed that naked breasts and not the Muslim modest female beach dress Burkini represent French ‘secular values’.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/09/05/pm-naked-breasts-represent-france/
  21. Mr. Giraldi.

    More great commentary from you.

    My only comments are that, although Michael Moore is a grossly obese over-privileged hypocrytictal piece of dirt (the depiction of him in Team America, World Police was wonderful and accurate, if only they’d also worked out a way to depict his personal wealth), I do sometimes watch his films.

    I particularly enjoyed the scene in Fahrenheit 911 where Wolfovitz spits on his comb before combing his hair. My thought, ‘How classy, Vulfy’.

    That movie did present a very partial version of the truth, thus grossly obese Moore’s popularity with the Hollywood elite.

    I also enjoyed Volfofitz”s complaints about that pronunciation. It was surely correct.

    ‘No, you have to pronounce it as W in English, if you don’t, you are NSDAP’ the giant whine about that was very funny.

    How a tasteless moron who spits on his coma before combing his hair got to sexually exploit at the ‘World Bank’ is not mystifying.

    Neither is his comeback if Hillary Pantsuit ‘I don’ recall nothin’, nowhere’ is elected.

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  22. @dahoit
    Americans,after 9-11,were mad as hell at Muslims,and that anger translated into the zionists putting one over our political class in invading Iraq and destabilizing the whole region.
    But don't think the American people are not wise to the threat that zion has inflicted on US,as Donald Trump's support is largely made up of those wised up Americans who finally realize America's real business is right here at home.
    Wolfowitz;I wanna lick your comb.(Fats Domino)A disgusting human,but he is only the tip of the goldberg.

    The great majority of Trump supporters are not “so wise Americans” – but racist White racists who hate non-White immigrants and Muslims in particular. They portrays Muslim immigrants as rapist as if all those tens of millions of Europe’s White hookers were church/synagogue-going pious women.

    According a 2013 report by the North American churches reported that 41% of Christian girls under age 13 had sex at least once.

    On August 29, to show his hatred toward nine million French Muslims, French prime minister Manuel Valls (married to a Jew) became a laughing stock when he claimed that naked breasts and not the Muslim modest female beach dress Burkini represent French ‘secular values’.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/09/05/pm-naked-breasts-represent-france/

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    Just great, you paint all European females as white hookers. Are you smoking angel dust? Really, that 'holy' Quran bullshite got your mind all fcuked up now. Jeez, WTF!
  23. I think you were betrayed by spell-check in the second sentence, Phil; contrast is presumably what was intended. Since we’re talking Hillary and Neocons, arguably contract isn’t entirely off the mark.

    Is Russia a threat to the United States? Who is us when someone like Wolfowitz says it?

    The sorry truth is that Putin is the Jewish bête noire of the moment, since he stands in the way of their designs on the world– and Trump, too: they are hated for the same reasons. As enemies of Globalism they oppose the Islamization of the West (particularly in Europe, of course– at least for the time being), which is a means of destabilization and finally ethnic displacement of people of European descent; and this works in tandem with their main goal: the end of the Western nation-state.

    Their moralist posture which they always put-on to peddle this sort of stuff, which their suicidal but well-paid shabbos goyim stooges themselves compulsively adopt (or that of the Muslims they employ themselves, who are more than willing to participate in this scheme for the glory of Islam), is of course a stalking horse for their real agenda of ethno-religious vengeance and Global hegemony.

    If they succeed they will have turned the rest of us into Brazil; a Brazil perhaps practicing a neutered Islam-lite (or Islam-White, if you like), while presumably they will live in gated communities free of the effects of their policies, with a handful of exceptional minorities around to assure themselves that their motives were pure, and feeling warm and fuzzy while congratulating one another on a job well done.

    Are they delusional (and evil) enough to start a nuclear conflict with Russia? I used to think not, but I’m beginning to wonder if the Cassandras aren’t correct. These people have a collective Messiah-complex and are driven by an obsession to realize their ethno-religious fixations. Genocides and mass extinction events feature prominently in their fevered imaginings and seem to break out whenever their “moral” schemes to heal humanity manifest themselves in the actual world.

    Those sort of folks don’t always make the most rational decisions– no matter how sophisticated they may appear to be or how high their IQs supposedly are.

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  24. My only comments are that, although Michael Moore is a grossly obese over-privileged hypocrytictal piece of dirt (the depiction of him in Team America, World Police was wonderful and accurate, if only they’d also worked out a way to depict his personal wealth), I do sometimes watch his films.

    I particularly enjoyed the scene in Fahrenheit 911 where Wolfovitz spits on his comb before combing his hair. My thought, ‘How classy, Vulfy’.

    That movie did present a very partial version of the truth, to me, inevitably a strange thing. Thus grossly obese Moore’s popularity with the Hollywood elite.

    I also enjoyed Vulfovitz”s complaints about pronunciation. That pronunciation was surely correct.

    ‘No, you have to pronounce it as W in English, if you don’t, you are NSDAP’ the giant whine about that was very funny.

    How a tasteless moron who spits on his comb before combing his hair got to sexually exploit at the ‘World Bank’, always headed by one of the worse examples of Jewish people, is not mystifying, but it should be questioned, because it is a very nasty joke.

    As if Vulfovitz had any knowledge of finance (except personal enrichment), let alone economics.

    Robert Mugabe may as well have been the head of the ‘World Bank’, the results in terms of sexual exploitation and siphoning money to self and pals, or at least setting up situations to ‘make a killing’ would be much the same, just a little more inept.

    His comeback if Hillary Pantsuit ‘I don’ recall nothin’, nowhere’ is elected, too horrifying to consider.

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    I also enjoyed Vulfovitz”s complaints about pronunciation. That pronunciation was surely correct.

    ‘No, you have to pronounce it as W in English, if you don’t, you are NSDAP’ the giant whine about that was very funny.
     
    No, that pronunciation was surely not correct.

    Paul Wolfowitz is the son of Polish Jewish immigrants to NYC --

    Strongly influenced by his father, Paul Wolfowitz['s] ... world views ... were forged by family history and in the halls of academia rather than in the jungles of Vietnam or the corridors of Congress ... [His father] ... escaped Poland after World War I. (wikipedia)
     
    De Gaulle and RobinG explored the ongoing impact of that critical difference between Polish Jews and (German) Jews in this exchange:

    De Gaulle:
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556829
    One inadequately explored part of Jewish history and impact on the world is the historical contribution to animus in Europe. Some Jews in Poland – Lithuania made life worse for fellow Jews because they defrauded and abused Poles and Litwaks, and Russians, and Ukranians. All Jews suffer from reactions to that, and wonder why they suffer if their family did nothing bad.

    RobinG:
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556946
    This is also Art’s essential point, that “Little (honorable) Jews” will suffer because of acts of “Big (despicable) Jews.

    De Gaulle: Should they [Jews] turn on fellow Jews who defraud and abuse, or would their community turn on them? That is the age old question from eastern Europe and a question again in the middle east.

    RobinG: You follow up with the telling idiom “turn on.” (“Should they turn on fellow Jews who defraud and abuse, or would their community turn on them?”)
    Any criticism within the tribe is seen as disloyalty, so most refrain due to fear of ostracism.

    De Gaulle: Should a Jew feel guilty because an Oligarch stole, or a coin clipper or usurer hurt people? Does it hurt the world or heal the world to look at community issues, or hush them up and demonize askers?

    RobinG: Does their silence mean assent? Many members of the local synagogue are ashamed of Israel’s behavior, yet they keep the big banner outside that says they support Israel.

     
    More and more it becomes clear that WWII, and much of subsequent turmoil in the Middle East, was and is an ongoing Jewish civil war, Jew vs Jew, Levites slaughtering the worshipers of the Golden Calf (i.e. assimilators) fought out on other people's lands with other people's blood and treasure.
  25. Wolfowitz, who has now characteristically found yet another comfortable and well remunerated niche at the largely defense contractor funded American Enterprise Institute, has finally joined the neocon host that is working for a Hillary victory in November. They understand that it is a bread-and-butter issue. Hillary is clearly predisposed to continue the kinds of mindlessly aggressive policies that have made Neoconservatism Inc. and its vibrant cash flow possible in the first place.

    “bread and butter”, sure Mr. G, but we shouldn’t forget that the big Z has everything to do with all of this.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/treason-in-high-places-pentagon-zionists-aipec-and-israel/484

    Kramer, who is a Senior Director with the McCain Institute for International Leadership

    OMG

    this really exists!

    https://www.mccaininstitute.org/

    if you have the stomach, you should peruse this site. War mongering mendacity on steroids doesn’t begin to describe it.

    more from the WP article

    Putin’s corrupt authoritarianism in Russia. So he invaded Ukraine in late February 2014, …

    His zero-sum way of thinking, demand for recognition of a Russian sphere of influence, interference in elections in other countries (even attempting to meddle in U.S. elections) and support for like-minded authoritarian leaders mean that Putin’s interests and ours are almost diametrically opposite.

    “(even attempting to meddle in U.S. elections)”

    he repeats innuendo and lies as if it were the truth. He lies about fabricated Ukrainian “invasions”. He lies about who the aggressors are in Ukraine, and forgets that it was the US State Dept. that destabilized Ukraine in the first place. Lies, lies and more lies.

    and an ex-George W. Bush official, posits that “Russia is now a threat. The U.S. should treat it like one.” That an ex-GWB official should expound on sound policy from the pulpit of an institute reflecting the values of Senator John McCain might be considered comical, but Kramer asserts that “Russia under Vladimir Putin is an authoritarian, kleptocratic regime that poses a serious threat to our values, interests and allies. We should contain and deter Russian aggression…”

    Thank you Mr. G for keeping us all abreast of the treachery, treason and war mongering scum who’ve destroyed so many countries and millions of lives and spent trillions of our dollars destabilizing entire regions and causing hell on earth for millions upon millions of souls.

    Not to mention pushing the world to the brink with an all out nuclear war with Russia

    (all so Israel can steal the oil-rich Golan Heights)

    God speed to Trump and sanity and hope for the people of this bedeviled and plagued world.

    END THE FED

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  26. @Jason Liu
    So they're not really afraid of Russia as a military or geopolitical threat, they're afraid of the ideologies Russia represents.

    Well, get used it to it. The old Western European middle class that upheld Enlightenment values is unlikely to hold against the weight of the world, both demographically and ideologically. Liberal democracy was a poorly conceived idea from the beginning. It will continue to go down its irreversible decline until it is little more than a wishful phrase uttered by third worlders, and never actually practiced.

    Interesting thought. Would you care to spell out why “liberal democracy was a poorly conceived idea from the beginning”? I promise you will get acknowledgment when it is used as a frequent question – with the command “Comment” added – on Foreign Service entrance exam papers :-)

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    Not sure you're aware, but your schtick has become frightfully boring, you need new material.

    You're welcome.
  27. @LondonBob
    They must be terrified of what is in those emails and that Trump now leads in the polls, despite the biggest smear campaign in history. Have read a few comments from people on more mainstream websites than this one and this proposal has been met with the derision it deserves.

    “This proposal”??? What proposal are you referring to?

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    That Jimmy the Clap lead a search for evidence that Russia is fixing to run the US influence machine and their elections.
  28. Is this just in?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/07/us/politics/donald-trump-earns-backing-of-nearly-90-military-figures.html

    Donald J. Trump’s campaign will release an open letter on Tuesday from about 90 retired generals and military officials endorsing his presidential campaign, urging a “long overdue course correction in our national security posture.”

    The letter in support of Mr. Trump, signed by 88 retired military figures, will come as the campaign prepares for a week focused on national security, with a forum hosted by NBC and MSNBC on Wednesday evening alongside Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee.

    “The 2016 election affords the American people an urgently needed opportunity to make a long overdue course correction in our national security posture and policy,” the letter states.

    “As retired senior leaders of America’s military, we believe that such a change can only be made by someone who has not been deeply involved with, and substantially responsible for, the hollowing out of our military and the burgeoning threats facing our country around the world,” the generals and admirals write. “For this reason, we support Donald Trump’s candidacy to be our next commander in chief.”

    Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee, is seeking to blunt an edge that Mrs. Clinton, a former secretary of state, has established either from retired military figures like Gen. John R. Allen, or from the tacit boost she could receive from Republican national security and foreign policy experts who have denounced Mr. Trump.

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  29. @Che Guava
    My only comments are that, although Michael Moore is a grossly obese over-privileged hypocrytictal piece of dirt (the depiction of him in Team America, World Police was wonderful and accurate, if only they'd also worked out a way to depict his personal wealth), I do sometimes watch his films.

    I particularly enjoyed the scene in Fahrenheit 911 where Wolfovitz spits on his comb before combing his hair. My thought, 'How classy, Vulfy'.

    That movie did present a very partial version of the truth, to me, inevitably a strange thing. Thus grossly obese Moore's popularity with the Hollywood elite.

    I also enjoyed Vulfovitz''s complaints about pronunciation. That pronunciation was surely correct.

    'No, you have to pronounce it as W in English, if you don't, you are NSDAP' the giant whine about that was very funny.

    How a tasteless moron who spits on his comb before combing his hair got to sexually exploit at the 'World Bank', always headed by one of the worse examples of Jewish people, is not mystifying, but it should be questioned, because it is a very nasty joke.

    As if Vulfovitz had any knowledge of finance (except personal enrichment), let alone economics.

    Robert Mugabe may as well have been the head of the 'World Bank', the results in terms of sexual exploitation and siphoning money to self and pals, or at least setting up situations to 'make a killing' would be much the same, just a little more inept.

    His comeback if Hillary Pantsuit 'I don' recall nothin', nowhere' is elected, too horrifying to consider.

    I also enjoyed Vulfovitz”s complaints about pronunciation. That pronunciation was surely correct.

    ‘No, you have to pronounce it as W in English, if you don’t, you are NSDAP’ the giant whine about that was very funny.

    No, that pronunciation was surely not correct.

    Paul Wolfowitz is the son of Polish Jewish immigrants to NYC –

    Strongly influenced by his father, Paul Wolfowitz['s] … world views … were forged by family history and in the halls of academia rather than in the jungles of Vietnam or the corridors of Congress … [His father] … escaped Poland after World War I. (wikipedia)

    De Gaulle and RobinG explored the ongoing impact of that critical difference between Polish Jews and (German) Jews in this exchange:

    De Gaulle:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556829

    One inadequately explored part of Jewish history and impact on the world is the historical contribution to animus in Europe. Some Jews in Poland – Lithuania made life worse for fellow Jews because they defrauded and abused Poles and Litwaks, and Russians, and Ukranians. All Jews suffer from reactions to that, and wonder why they suffer if their family did nothing bad.

    RobinG:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556946

    This is also Art’s essential point, that “Little (honorable) Jews” will suffer because of acts of “Big (despicable) Jews.

    De Gaulle: Should they [Jews] turn on fellow Jews who defraud and abuse, or would their community turn on them? That is the age old question from eastern Europe and a question again in the middle east.

    RobinG: You follow up with the telling idiom “turn on.” (“Should they turn on fellow Jews who defraud and abuse, or would their community turn on them?”)
    Any criticism within the tribe is seen as disloyalty, so most refrain due to fear of ostracism.

    De Gaulle: Should a Jew feel guilty because an Oligarch stole, or a coin clipper or usurer hurt people? Does it hurt the world or heal the world to look at community issues, or hush them up and demonize askers?

    RobinG: Does their silence mean assent? Many members of the local synagogue are ashamed of Israel’s behavior, yet they keep the big banner outside that says they support Israel.

    More and more it becomes clear that WWII, and much of subsequent turmoil in the Middle East, was and is an ongoing Jewish civil war, Jew vs Jew, Levites slaughtering the worshipers of the Golden Calf (i.e. assimilators) fought out on other people’s lands with other people’s blood and treasure.

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    More and more it becomes clear that WWII, and much of subsequent turmoil in the Middle East, was and is an ongoing Jewish civil war, Jew vs Jew, Levites slaughtering the worshipers of the Golden Calf (i.e. assimilators) fought out on other people’s lands with other people’s blood and treasure.
     
    Now that's a comment that has some merit. An example of that concept would be Karl Marx's "anti-Semitic" views an example being,

    What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.
    Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time.

    Karl Marx, The Jewish Question,
    Braunschweig, 1843, I

     

    And along similar lines would be Uri Avnery's recent and excellent piece, "Civil War."

    A LOT of Israelis have begun to talk of "two Jewish societies" in Israel, some even talk about "two Jewish peoples" within the Israeli Jewish nation.
    What holds them together?

    The conflict, of course. The occupation. The perpetual state of war.

    Uri Avnery, Civil War, 03/09/16
    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1472915025

     

    , @Sherman
    Now, what was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?

    :)
  30. @Antiwar7
    Regarding the United States record since 1991, don't overlook its military interventions in the former Yugoslavia.

    It’s that how it’s euphemistaically called in liberal language. Training a terrorist organization on a territory of a neigboruring country, calling that terrorist organization freedom fighters or liberation army, have them infiltrate and carry terrorist attacks, and when the attacked party start killing your terrorist rats, go on a propaganda program about “civilian casulties” and launch an invasion or a bombing campaign on a story how you must protect civilians. Then target all civilian and industrial sites and infrastructure of a party killing your invading terrorist rats and tell how your are doing it peacefully to bring freedom to the people or to liberate people you are bombing from a nasty dictator who doesn’t want to follow your orders. That’s what western filth has also attempted to do in Syria. Never got to bombing campain though, thanks to Russia.

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  31. @Wizard of Oz
    "This proposal"??? What proposal are you referring to?

    That Jimmy the Clap lead a search for evidence that Russia is fixing to run the US influence machine and their elections.

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  32. @WorkingClass
    "He describes Trump as a security risk precisely “because he admires Putin” and is “unconcerned about the Russian aggression in Ukraine. "

    Well, of course, there is no Russian aggression in Ukraine. There is Anglo/Zio imperial aggression in Ukraine. Wolfowitz (and Hillary) is a lying piece of shit. Worse, a murdering piece of shit. Our ruling class is in the service of evil. What should we do about it?

    What aggression, you offspring of an Anglo criminal from Aussiestan? You mean when your junta whom you just brought to power launch an aggression on a people of a region who doesn’t want to follow orders of your agents? You are a moronic lying creature, Anglo. And rest assured that anyone with half a brain immidiately notice it.

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    What aggression... ?
     
    well Khan, he's talking about the aggression of the criminal junta that has the US government under an iron zio-occupation. Duh!

    You mean when your junta whom you just brought to power
     
    have you lost your mind?

    I see from your previous post that you're obviously a clued-in sort, so why then your hysterical pejoratives directed at someone who is lamenting the exact same thing you are?!

    You are a moronic lying creature, Anglo.
     
    really?

    are you really that fucking stupid? as to treat all the people who're born in the US (or the other hundred or so nations under the Zio-yoke) as guilty of the myriad and heinous crimes of the murderous Rothschild/Zio-regime?

    God, you come here looking for an oasis from the idiocy of the street, and you find it squatting right here at the Unz Review, in all its vulgar inanity
    , @Alden
    Kind of a rude comment Khan
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    @Parbes
    These people must suffer personal consequences for all their lies, crimes and aggressions. The punishment must be at the PERSONAL level. Otherwise this whole bullcrap will never end.

    These people must suffer personal consequences for all their lies, crimes and aggressions. The punishment must be at the PERSONAL level.

    how far down the food chain does these people who must suffer personal consequences go?

    Jews have prosecuted now-90-year old baggage handlers as “accessories to the murder of 170,000 innocent people” and strong-armed courts into imposing prison sentences on them.

    Are the likes of a Ken Pollock, or Michael O’Hanlon, or Danielle Pletka, Brian Katulis, Juan Zarate, and the boatload of feckless neocon water-carrying journalists/stenographers any less complicit in crimes against the Iraqi people than were then-18-year old baggage handlers in Germany in 1943?

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    • Replies: @Parbes
    "how far down the food chain does these people who must suffer personal consequences go?"

    I don't know, man... It's a question of preference, I guess (plus the exact details, of course). But such a discussion is academic at the present moment. First, we gotta get to the point where ANY of them (even a single one) is suffering any personal consequence at ALL!
  34. @Marcus

    Putin is a realist and a nationalist
     
    Yeah just look at his "nationalist" policies in effect in Moscow
    http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/MoscowMuslimsFillStreetsRamadan.jpg

    Russia has always been home of Muslims. Personal guard of Russian Czars was made of Muslims. Big portion of the Red Army was also made of Muslims. For centuries Muslim Russians stood side by side with Orthodox Russians in every war for their Fatherland. Islam is part of Russia just as Orthodoxy is. They are all Russians first, and have for centuries fought and died together. Like I said, Islam has always been part of Russia. That’s other difference between Russia and the West. In Russia Muslim Russians fight and die for her, whereas in the West Muslims have to fight to have their religious customs respected.

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    There were always some Tatars in European Russian (Muscovy would never have expanded if it were not for the Tatar and Turkish raiders that were a threat until the 17th century), but millions of Caucasians and Central Asians only began pouring in during the multicultural Putin regime, look at their behavior crowding the streets to block traffic. BTW the West as is Muslim-appeasing as Russia is, Hillary is making pandering to Muslims a big part of her campaign.
    , @Parbes
    The "Russian Muslims" have been Turko-Mongoloid, North-Central Asiatics, though... Very different in almost every way from Middle Eastern and South Asian Muslims.
  35. @Khan Bodin
    What aggression, you offspring of an Anglo criminal from Aussiestan? You mean when your junta whom you just brought to power launch an aggression on a people of a region who doesn't want to follow orders of your agents? You are a moronic lying creature, Anglo. And rest assured that anyone with half a brain immidiately notice it.

    What aggression… ?

    well Khan, he’s talking about the aggression of the criminal junta that has the US government under an iron zio-occupation. Duh!

    You mean when your junta whom you just brought to power

    have you lost your mind?

    I see from your previous post that you’re obviously a clued-in sort, so why then your hysterical pejoratives directed at someone who is lamenting the exact same thing you are?!

    You are a moronic lying creature, Anglo.

    really?

    are you really that fucking stupid? as to treat all the people who’re born in the US (or the other hundred or so nations under the Zio-yoke) as guilty of the myriad and heinous crimes of the murderous Rothschild/Zio-regime?

    God, you come here looking for an oasis from the idiocy of the street, and you find it squatting right here at the Unz Review, in all its vulgar inanity

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    • Replies: @Khan Bodin
    He's an Anglo. I can tell. I think remember him saying he was from Australia. He's not lamenting on anything I am. He's is a follower and a servant of Liberal AngloJewish Empire. You are confused.
  36. @Rurik

    What aggression... ?
     
    well Khan, he's talking about the aggression of the criminal junta that has the US government under an iron zio-occupation. Duh!

    You mean when your junta whom you just brought to power
     
    have you lost your mind?

    I see from your previous post that you're obviously a clued-in sort, so why then your hysterical pejoratives directed at someone who is lamenting the exact same thing you are?!

    You are a moronic lying creature, Anglo.
     
    really?

    are you really that fucking stupid? as to treat all the people who're born in the US (or the other hundred or so nations under the Zio-yoke) as guilty of the myriad and heinous crimes of the murderous Rothschild/Zio-regime?

    God, you come here looking for an oasis from the idiocy of the street, and you find it squatting right here at the Unz Review, in all its vulgar inanity

    He’s an Anglo. I can tell. I think remember him saying he was from Australia. He’s not lamenting on anything I am. He’s is a follower and a servant of Liberal AngloJewish Empire. You are confused.

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    I'm not who you think I am. I thought you replied to me while meaning to reply to someone else. Or maybe English is not your first language and you got my meaning backwards. I hope you are more careful in the real world.
  37. @Khan Bodin
    Russia has always been home of Muslims. Personal guard of Russian Czars was made of Muslims. Big portion of the Red Army was also made of Muslims. For centuries Muslim Russians stood side by side with Orthodox Russians in every war for their Fatherland. Islam is part of Russia just as Orthodoxy is. They are all Russians first, and have for centuries fought and died together. Like I said, Islam has always been part of Russia. That's other difference between Russia and the West. In Russia Muslim Russians fight and die for her, whereas in the West Muslims have to fight to have their religious customs respected.

    There were always some Tatars in European Russian (Muscovy would never have expanded if it were not for the Tatar and Turkish raiders that were a threat until the 17th century), but millions of Caucasians and Central Asians only began pouring in during the multicultural Putin regime, look at their behavior crowding the streets to block traffic. BTW the West as is Muslim-appeasing as Russia is, Hillary is making pandering to Muslims a big part of her campaign.

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    • Replies: @Khan Bodin
    Not Turkish but Turkic. Obviously being ignorant, the difference excapes you. For example, Bulgarians are Turkic people. But they are not Turkish. Yes, Russia is Tatar. That is what makes Russia so great. Tartars were great, fearless and unyielding people. Where do you think Russia got the strength to fight and win wave after wave of western aggression, bonehead? Those aggressions didn't start with Napoleon, but go back centuries before... all the way back to Crusades. Russia is more Asian than European (see Russia on the map), and those central Asians have for centuries been part of Russia so they are pretty if not fully assimilated by now. But Russia is certainly, nor she could ever be, African like Murica is and like it's turning Europe to be. Russia can only be European and Asian just like her place in the world shown on the map clearly illustrates. Notice the difference between what you Muricans did in comparison? By conquest you won the right for the land, but exterminated all indigenous American people and imported Africans. Slit your own throat right there. ehehehe Ah, if only you didn't touch into Africa if you hadn't had intentions of assimilating them, but then if you did that, you would have lost all your ethnic and racial attributes. You should have known that Africans have no moral or social compass, that by having them they wouldn't cherish their own kind, but instead desire to breed with you and thus destroy you in the end. They are light years different compared to anything Asian or American (indigenous south or north). But you pushed forth your liberal philosopshy and you must pay for it. Just think what your predicament would now be if they are anymore bigger than 12% of the population, hmm? Even at 12% they have managed to niggerize you and make you pay trillions in some kind of reparations which have been now running for 50 yrs almost. You were made 2nd class citizens in your own land and you think you are smart and they are stupid. ehehehe Anyway, such problems you are experincing only exist with Africans. No other race or ethnicity behaves like them.
  38. @animalogic
    EVIDENCE please.

    The thing with you fringey conspiracist people is that you are immune to drawing what other people see as obvious conclusions from evidence. You also reject evidence you don’t like as coming from the ZOG and Mainstream Jewmedia.

    Anyone who is even mildly well-read knows that both Russia and the USA interfere with the internal politics of each other and with a large number of other countries. It is pretty clear that Putin has a large hacking operation (JUST LIKE THE USA and CHINA) and that the mass leaking of Hillary and DNC e-mails came from that operation. That’s the opinion of the investigation of the hacking BEFORE the actual leaks came out. Putin has even winked and nodded about the whole thing. I think it is partly because Putin likes Trump, and partly because the Panama law firm hacking and mass leak looked like a CIA operation aimed at Putin’s rich cronies who stash money overseas.

    I like Trump and hope he wins. But he did the right thing by dumping Manafort and his deep ties to the Putin-sphere. Steve Bannon is miles better.

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    [the mass leaking of Hillary and DNC e-mails came from that operation]

    You still have not presented any actual evidence of this, and neither has anyone else. You really think hacking is so profoundly difficult an undertaking that only a great military power can pull it off?

    [he did the right thing by dumping Manafort and his deep ties to the Putin-sphere]

    Neither had those ties extend beyond raking in some easy money by ripping off people who had little to do with Pootin, nor did sacking Manafort have anything to do with any of his previous work or employers. You're a remarkably faithful echo of the Hillbot campaign.
    , @animalogic
    Of course, the evidence would be the DNC hack....
    I like this: "Putin has even winked and nodded about the whole thing. " I guess -- a wink's as good as a nod to a blind man....
  39. @SolontoCroesus

    I also enjoyed Vulfovitz”s complaints about pronunciation. That pronunciation was surely correct.

    ‘No, you have to pronounce it as W in English, if you don’t, you are NSDAP’ the giant whine about that was very funny.
     
    No, that pronunciation was surely not correct.

    Paul Wolfowitz is the son of Polish Jewish immigrants to NYC --

    Strongly influenced by his father, Paul Wolfowitz['s] ... world views ... were forged by family history and in the halls of academia rather than in the jungles of Vietnam or the corridors of Congress ... [His father] ... escaped Poland after World War I. (wikipedia)
     
    De Gaulle and RobinG explored the ongoing impact of that critical difference between Polish Jews and (German) Jews in this exchange:

    De Gaulle:
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556829
    One inadequately explored part of Jewish history and impact on the world is the historical contribution to animus in Europe. Some Jews in Poland – Lithuania made life worse for fellow Jews because they defrauded and abused Poles and Litwaks, and Russians, and Ukranians. All Jews suffer from reactions to that, and wonder why they suffer if their family did nothing bad.

    RobinG:
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556946
    This is also Art’s essential point, that “Little (honorable) Jews” will suffer because of acts of “Big (despicable) Jews.

    De Gaulle: Should they [Jews] turn on fellow Jews who defraud and abuse, or would their community turn on them? That is the age old question from eastern Europe and a question again in the middle east.

    RobinG: You follow up with the telling idiom “turn on.” (“Should they turn on fellow Jews who defraud and abuse, or would their community turn on them?”)
    Any criticism within the tribe is seen as disloyalty, so most refrain due to fear of ostracism.

    De Gaulle: Should a Jew feel guilty because an Oligarch stole, or a coin clipper or usurer hurt people? Does it hurt the world or heal the world to look at community issues, or hush them up and demonize askers?

    RobinG: Does their silence mean assent? Many members of the local synagogue are ashamed of Israel’s behavior, yet they keep the big banner outside that says they support Israel.

     
    More and more it becomes clear that WWII, and much of subsequent turmoil in the Middle East, was and is an ongoing Jewish civil war, Jew vs Jew, Levites slaughtering the worshipers of the Golden Calf (i.e. assimilators) fought out on other people's lands with other people's blood and treasure.

    More and more it becomes clear that WWII, and much of subsequent turmoil in the Middle East, was and is an ongoing Jewish civil war, Jew vs Jew, Levites slaughtering the worshipers of the Golden Calf (i.e. assimilators) fought out on other people’s lands with other people’s blood and treasure.

    Now that’s a comment that has some merit. An example of that concept would be Karl Marx’s “anti-Semitic” views an example being,

    What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.
    Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time.

    Karl Marx, The Jewish Question,
    Braunschweig, 1843, I

    And along similar lines would be Uri Avnery’s recent and excellent piece, “Civil War.”

    A LOT of Israelis have begun to talk of “two Jewish societies” in Israel, some even talk about “two Jewish peoples” within the Israeli Jewish nation.
    What holds them together?

    The conflict, of course. The occupation. The perpetual state of war.

    Uri Avnery, Civil War, 03/09/16

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1472915025

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  40. What did Wolfowitz know about US destabilization of Libya; about US & CIA presence in Benghazi; about US determination to remove (preferably w/ extreme prejudice) Qaddafi, and when did he know it?

    MARCH 28, 2011
    U.S. Military Intervention in Libya

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?298692-1/us-military-intervention-libya

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    • Replies: @God Almighty Himself
    For the love of everything that's Holy -- what sort of question was THAT?

    Wolfowitz is a current-generation architect of the agenda of the Global Jewish Nation.

    He fucking knew EVERYTHING a decade before it happened, inasmuch as it's his ethno-mafia cabal that planned it all, including the 9/11 attacks.
    [Obligatory Fred Reed disclaimer: Why that's crazy talk to use the timeworn scapegoat canard to say that Jews conspire against the rest of us! Please don't stop my checks!]
  41. I think it is partly because Putin likes Trump, and partly because the Panama law firm hacking and mass leak looked like a CIA operation aimed at Putin’s rich cronies who stash money overseas.

    Putin and Russia generally have such obnoxious enemies that it is only natural to want to like the guy.

    The problem is when you look at Putin what you really see is an extremely corrupt eastern despot, or maybe a slightly-above-average Czar. Russians have high IQs and gigantic natural resources. Yet they have a dysfunctional culture, government, and economy. Once countries like Poland and Hungary dumped their communist governments, they became better places in every way. Russia and a few other parts of the USSR, however, have actually regressed in many ways.

    It is really pretty sad. White Americans should look at the Russians as unfortunately backward cousins we should strive to help and tutor and have normal, civilized relations with. Putin is bad, but honestly about as good as we can expect out of the country whose best leaders were basically Germans and whose cultural peak involved rich and high IQ elites deciding to speak French as their first language.

    I side with Russia in foreign policy on just about every issue where it is opposed by the US War Party, going all the way back to Clinton’s awful bombing of Serbia and handing one of its historical territories over to Albanian Muslim gangsters. (Though maybe in the end getting rid of the area would be like the US getting rid of Puerto Rico: not such a bad idea. But it was none of the business of the USA.)

    Really the only area where I am opposed to Russian interests are the Baltic states. That is just a basic case of a more civilized people who are culturally, linguistically, and economically linked to Western Europe, and who do not want to be part of Russia, nonetheless facing Russian bullying. It is really very different than Crimea.

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    The key to all your "thoughts" about Russia, which you make all the more obvious by carefully avoiding any mention of it, is that you are a Jewish supremacist.
  42. @Jason Liu
    So they're not really afraid of Russia as a military or geopolitical threat, they're afraid of the ideologies Russia represents.

    Well, get used it to it. The old Western European middle class that upheld Enlightenment values is unlikely to hold against the weight of the world, both demographically and ideologically. Liberal democracy was a poorly conceived idea from the beginning. It will continue to go down its irreversible decline until it is little more than a wishful phrase uttered by third worlders, and never actually practiced.

    Yep, kind of amazing to see the debates about wether dogs should be leashed or not without getting into the kind of dog.

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  43. @anonymous

    These people must suffer personal consequences for all their lies, crimes and aggressions. The punishment must be at the PERSONAL level.
     
    how far down the food chain does these people who must suffer personal consequences go?

    Jews have prosecuted now-90-year old baggage handlers as "accessories to the murder of 170,000 innocent people" and strong-armed courts into imposing prison sentences on them.

    Are the likes of a Ken Pollock, or Michael O'Hanlon, or Danielle Pletka, Brian Katulis, Juan Zarate, and the boatload of feckless neocon water-carrying journalists/stenographers any less complicit in crimes against the Iraqi people than were then-18-year old baggage handlers in Germany in 1943?

    “how far down the food chain does these people who must suffer personal consequences go?”

    I don’t know, man… It’s a question of preference, I guess (plus the exact details, of course). But such a discussion is academic at the present moment. First, we gotta get to the point where ANY of them (even a single one) is suffering any personal consequence at ALL!

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  44. @Khan Bodin
    Russia has always been home of Muslims. Personal guard of Russian Czars was made of Muslims. Big portion of the Red Army was also made of Muslims. For centuries Muslim Russians stood side by side with Orthodox Russians in every war for their Fatherland. Islam is part of Russia just as Orthodoxy is. They are all Russians first, and have for centuries fought and died together. Like I said, Islam has always been part of Russia. That's other difference between Russia and the West. In Russia Muslim Russians fight and die for her, whereas in the West Muslims have to fight to have their religious customs respected.

    The “Russian Muslims” have been Turko-Mongoloid, North-Central Asiatics, though… Very different in almost every way from Middle Eastern and South Asian Muslims.

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    You point? Muslims aren't limited to the groups you mentioned--there are Malay, African, and other Muslims....Nor are all Muslims clones of each other.
  45. @Rurik

    In neocon circles, being wrong (but unapologetic about it) has actually become a ticket to greater access ...
     
    but I'm sure you understand that from the neocon perspective, they weren't wrong at all. Rather, they were right on target. Look at Iraq and Libya and Syria... others. They've been destroyed, and their societies are in smoking ruins, and their citizens set at each other's throats. This is pure Old Testament hate, raw and full to the brim with vengeance, as is the OT god:

    "I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives..." Deuteronomy 32:42

    "So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. And they killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. And the sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods, they plundered. Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire. And they took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast. And they brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses..." Numbers 31:

    “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. “And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day. “And you shall purify for yourselves every garment and every article of leather and all the work of goats’ hair, and all articles of wood.” Deut. 20:16-17,

    Now I don't pretend to be a Biblical scholar, but I've been listening to this radio station of late that broadcasts a reading of the King James bible, and I've just been reminded of the terrible wrath of the OT God, and it shivers me timbers to realize that this is the stuff we see unfolding on the world today.

    So no, 'they' don't look at what Wolfowitz and Pearle have wrought, and say 'failure'. Nope. The reason Wolfowitz and the rest of the neocons are still in power is because they have succeeded amazingly. Indeed, if they have failed, it's only because Iran and Lebanon and other enemies of the Old Testament god have not yet perished under their vengeance:

    “Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." 1 Sam. 15:3,

    “Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you”


    failure and success depend on your perspective

    it's all relative

    Having just read “The Age of Reason” by Thomas Paine, I hear you…loud &clear!

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  46. For them, a world in conflict with a genuinely dangerous enemy that keeps them employed is a highly valuable commodity.

    Now who can argue that war is not the health of the state?

    Here’s another, from someone who should be widely read…

    A LOT of Israelis have begun to talk of “two Jewish societies” in Israel, some even talk about “two Jewish peoples” within the Israeli Jewish nation.

    What holds them together?

    The conflict, of course. The occupation. The perpetual state of war.

    Uri Avnery, Civil War, 03/09/16

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1472915025

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  47. Hilary’s claims of Russian manipulation of Trump and/or the election are nonsense. Cut her some slack. She’s just taking advice from late neocon god (and AEI ‘scholar’) Irving Kristal:
    “With the end of the Cold War, what we really need is an obvious ideological and threatening enemy, one worthy of our mettle, one that can unite us in opposition.” -IK 1996

    That sentiment’s produced more enemies than Don Quixote could have imagined. After all, they help leverag passive internal compliance, paranoid policy, and bloated defense spending. Enemies are essential patrons of immoral politicians and war profiteers.

    As for Wolfowitz, watching him spit on his comb prior to a media appearance is all one needs know:

    If rumors are true, Wolfowitz’s sycophantic aide at the World Bank was nicknamed ‘the comb’ by his peers.

    Trump? He’ll be anyone he thinks you want him to be. Object to Mideast neutrality? No problem, he’ll vomit up the same old tired, servile flattery to AIPAC. Just don’t ask him to release his tax returns.

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    Can't we just- for fun this one time- elect this guy Trump?

    Maybe, just maybe, he'll go all Giuliani on the" Times Square"- type cesspool
    that is DC...
  48. @Lot
    The thing with you fringey conspiracist people is that you are immune to drawing what other people see as obvious conclusions from evidence. You also reject evidence you don't like as coming from the ZOG and Mainstream Jewmedia.

    Anyone who is even mildly well-read knows that both Russia and the USA interfere with the internal politics of each other and with a large number of other countries. It is pretty clear that Putin has a large hacking operation (JUST LIKE THE USA and CHINA) and that the mass leaking of Hillary and DNC e-mails came from that operation. That's the opinion of the investigation of the hacking BEFORE the actual leaks came out. Putin has even winked and nodded about the whole thing. I think it is partly because Putin likes Trump, and partly because the Panama law firm hacking and mass leak looked like a CIA operation aimed at Putin's rich cronies who stash money overseas.

    I like Trump and hope he wins. But he did the right thing by dumping Manafort and his deep ties to the Putin-sphere. Steve Bannon is miles better.

    [the mass leaking of Hillary and DNC e-mails came from that operation]

    You still have not presented any actual evidence of this, and neither has anyone else. You really think hacking is so profoundly difficult an undertaking that only a great military power can pull it off?

    [he did the right thing by dumping Manafort and his deep ties to the Putin-sphere]

    Neither had those ties extend beyond raking in some easy money by ripping off people who had little to do with Pootin, nor did sacking Manafort have anything to do with any of his previous work or employers. You’re a remarkably faithful echo of the Hillbot campaign.

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  49. @Lot

    I think it is partly because Putin likes Trump, and partly because the Panama law firm hacking and mass leak looked like a CIA operation aimed at Putin's rich cronies who stash money overseas.
     
    Putin and Russia generally have such obnoxious enemies that it is only natural to want to like the guy.

    The problem is when you look at Putin what you really see is an extremely corrupt eastern despot, or maybe a slightly-above-average Czar. Russians have high IQs and gigantic natural resources. Yet they have a dysfunctional culture, government, and economy. Once countries like Poland and Hungary dumped their communist governments, they became better places in every way. Russia and a few other parts of the USSR, however, have actually regressed in many ways.

    It is really pretty sad. White Americans should look at the Russians as unfortunately backward cousins we should strive to help and tutor and have normal, civilized relations with. Putin is bad, but honestly about as good as we can expect out of the country whose best leaders were basically Germans and whose cultural peak involved rich and high IQ elites deciding to speak French as their first language.

    I side with Russia in foreign policy on just about every issue where it is opposed by the US War Party, going all the way back to Clinton's awful bombing of Serbia and handing one of its historical territories over to Albanian Muslim gangsters. (Though maybe in the end getting rid of the area would be like the US getting rid of Puerto Rico: not such a bad idea. But it was none of the business of the USA.)

    Really the only area where I am opposed to Russian interests are the Baltic states. That is just a basic case of a more civilized people who are culturally, linguistically, and economically linked to Western Europe, and who do not want to be part of Russia, nonetheless facing Russian bullying. It is really very different than Crimea.

    The key to all your “thoughts” about Russia, which you make all the more obvious by carefully avoiding any mention of it, is that you are a Jewish supremacist.

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    The key to all your “thoughts” about Russia, which you make all the more obvious by carefully avoiding any mention of it, is that you are a Jewish supremacist.
     
    Unfortunately there are not enough Jews to run the world, but a tag team with anglo-saxons seems to be the best policy.

    I'm sorry I did not properly disclose my "Jewish supremacist" identity to your liking. Can you suggest how I might do so in the future? Maybe you could disclose "the key" to your opinions on every post too and we can jointly set a better example for improved discourse.

    I'll take a golden star that says "Juden" on it, maybe in a cool old Fraktur letters, and you can get a little tin-foil hat icon.
  50. Another little nuance with regards to Muslims in Russia, is that they all pretty much use Russian as the lingua franca (and use their minority languages only among themselves). Whereas in Europe (while there are many Muslims that come from former colonies and speak, for instance, French fluently), most of them, upon their arrival to Europe, have to undergo a very long process of integration (which in many cases, IMO, is futile in the end anyway). Many Russian Muslims have already been integrated for a very long time and mostly submit to the Russian culture as the dominant one.

    Also, my guess would be that the new immigrants in Moscow do not get coddled the way Muslims get coddled in Europe (not saying they are always treated well in Western Europe and that the culture is not hostile there, but they do get a basic living standard, while in Russia the Muslims have to earn it).

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  51. In the Bloomberg interview, Putin replied to Hillary’s “Grandfather” statement, indirectly:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-05/vladimir-putin-on-trump-clinton-oil-economics-japan-and-syria

    He’s saying that Americans signal to the Russians that this is just “pre-election” rhetoric. We know that he received that sort of a communication from Obama, but I wonder if there is anything this time, too. Although I believe she honestly dislikes him. I wonder how she intends to work with him after / if she gets elected. Especially given that anti-globalist electorates in both Europe and USA are not going anywhere, even if she is elected. What is she going to keep calling everyone on the other side “racist” and “Grandfather of nationalists”? The situation has changed from 10 years ago – the critical mass has been reached and she’ll have to work with these people now.

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  52. I have a feeling most Unz readers would be happier in Russia than the US. You guys should try it out.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    We can't afford to leave USA: can't sell homes; have no portable wealth; in debt servitude, deficient education/skills.

    How many Walmarts are there in Russia?
    How do you say, "Would you like fries with that?" in Russian?
    , @Avery
    Most UNZ readers, judging by the posted comments, are not the mindless MSM robots regurgitating the packaged, processed memes fed them daily or injected directly into their brains by the MSM.

    There is absolutely no reason for there to be any animosity between American and Russian peoples. Yet a handful of reptiles (from the series V), whose loyalty to America is clearly lacking, are doing their best to manufacture crises and wars, to keep the MIC monster going full throttle, and raking in American taxpayer $Trillions for themselves and their select friends.

    Not single war US started or gotten itself involved in since WW2 has benefited the American taxpayer in the least. On the contrary, it has caused great harm.

    US has become the former USSR, and Russia tries to become what US was a long time ago. (ex: Russian income tax is flat 13%).

    And pointing out what Russia's leaders are doing for the benefit of their own country vs what current US leaders are doing to America and American people - royally screwing both - does not equate to patriotic Americans wanting to move to Russia or anywhere else.

    Clearly UNZ readers are not alone: despite the massive onslaught of the entrenched parasitic, anti-American class against candidate Trump - whose major "sin" is (mildly) advocating for America's interests - he is neck and neck with the warmongering, Cackling She-Devil. She is already agitating for conflict with Russia.

    And the way it works is that we are not leaving US: it would be much better if youse warmongers leave.
    Go away and leave us alone.


    {“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.”}

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

    , @in the middle
    Happiness is a state of mind. I was in the horn of Africa, and people were happy with having a daily meal; then I returned to the USA, and people were upset because they could not afford the latest Samsung 7. So what makes you happy has nothing to do with where you are located, but your mind set.
    , @Carroll Price
    I, for one, would be sufficiently happy if the US government were being run by Gentiles instead of Jews.
  53. @Boris
    I have a feeling most Unz readers would be happier in Russia than the US. You guys should try it out.

    We can’t afford to leave USA: can’t sell homes; have no portable wealth; in debt servitude, deficient education/skills.

    How many Walmarts are there in Russia?
    How do you say, “Would you like fries with that?” in Russian?

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  54. @Lot
    The thing with you fringey conspiracist people is that you are immune to drawing what other people see as obvious conclusions from evidence. You also reject evidence you don't like as coming from the ZOG and Mainstream Jewmedia.

    Anyone who is even mildly well-read knows that both Russia and the USA interfere with the internal politics of each other and with a large number of other countries. It is pretty clear that Putin has a large hacking operation (JUST LIKE THE USA and CHINA) and that the mass leaking of Hillary and DNC e-mails came from that operation. That's the opinion of the investigation of the hacking BEFORE the actual leaks came out. Putin has even winked and nodded about the whole thing. I think it is partly because Putin likes Trump, and partly because the Panama law firm hacking and mass leak looked like a CIA operation aimed at Putin's rich cronies who stash money overseas.

    I like Trump and hope he wins. But he did the right thing by dumping Manafort and his deep ties to the Putin-sphere. Steve Bannon is miles better.

    Of course, the evidence would be the DNC hack….
    I like this: “Putin has even winked and nodded about the whole thing. ” I guess — a wink’s as good as a nod to a blind man….

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  55. I’ve lost the plot somewhere. I thought we were supposed to love the Russkis when they decided to dump the Soviet and godless communism, by their popular democratic acclaim.

    I seem to have woken up in an alternate universe, where our own hack politicos soundbites are like the English translations of the mendacious cant and absurd pronouncements of the late Soviet leaders and propagandists. To the HillBillaries, I guess nationalism is passe, when the Davos clique can have their globalist empire, instead.

    Strange thing in these climes, as far as open enquiry goes – Comcast routinely blocks RT. So I don’t get to see Phil’s Turkish rug nor his bulldog sleeping on it.

    I’v definitely woken up from the Cold War, on the wrong side of the bed.

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    You don't think all those dish owners in the MENA pay monthly fees to Comcast, etc., do you? Get yourself a satellite dish from the Iranian cable guy. (BTW, the rug and dog don't appear on Phil's RT spots.)
    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-view-of-roofs-of-housing-with-satellite-dishes-in-the-old-city-of-49768063.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=6AFAEA55-E6D9-46F8-81B0-B402FBBC2462&p=63192&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dsatellite%2520view%2520africa%26qt_raw%3dsatellite%2520view%2520africa%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d0%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0
  56. @Fran Macadam
    I've lost the plot somewhere. I thought we were supposed to love the Russkis when they decided to dump the Soviet and godless communism, by their popular democratic acclaim.

    I seem to have woken up in an alternate universe, where our own hack politicos soundbites are like the English translations of the mendacious cant and absurd pronouncements of the late Soviet leaders and propagandists. To the HillBillaries, I guess nationalism is passe, when the Davos clique can have their globalist empire, instead.

    Strange thing in these climes, as far as open enquiry goes - Comcast routinely blocks RT. So I don't get to see Phil's Turkish rug nor his bulldog sleeping on it.

    I'v definitely woken up from the Cold War, on the wrong side of the bed.

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  57. @Boris
    I have a feeling most Unz readers would be happier in Russia than the US. You guys should try it out.

    Most UNZ readers, judging by the posted comments, are not the mindless MSM robots regurgitating the packaged, processed memes fed them daily or injected directly into their brains by the MSM.

    There is absolutely no reason for there to be any animosity between American and Russian peoples. Yet a handful of reptiles (from the series V), whose loyalty to America is clearly lacking, are doing their best to manufacture crises and wars, to keep the MIC monster going full throttle, and raking in American taxpayer $Trillions for themselves and their select friends.

    Not single war US started or gotten itself involved in since WW2 has benefited the American taxpayer in the least. On the contrary, it has caused great harm.

    US has become the former USSR, and Russia tries to become what US was a long time ago. (ex: Russian income tax is flat 13%).

    And pointing out what Russia’s leaders are doing for the benefit of their own country vs what current US leaders are doing to America and American people – royally screwing both – does not equate to patriotic Americans wanting to move to Russia or anywhere else.

    Clearly UNZ readers are not alone: despite the massive onslaught of the entrenched parasitic, anti-American class against candidate Trump – whose major “sin” is (mildly) advocating for America’s interests – he is neck and neck with the warmongering, Cackling She-Devil. She is already agitating for conflict with Russia.

    And the way it works is that we are not leaving US: it would be much better if youse warmongers leave.
    Go away and leave us alone.


    {“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.”}

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

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  58. In May 2004, US Senator Ernest Hollings acknowledged that the US invaded Iraq to secure Israel, and everybody knows it. He also identified three of the influential pro-Israel Jews in Washington who played an important role in prodding the US into war: Richard Perle, chair of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board; Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary; and Charles Krauthammer, columnist and author.

    The US, British and Israeli forces cooperated in the mass killing of Iraqi civilians.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/07/13/bianca-jagger-and-british-jews/

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  59. @Rehmat
    The great majority of Trump supporters are not "so wise Americans" - but racist White racists who hate non-White immigrants and Muslims in particular. They portrays Muslim immigrants as rapist as if all those tens of millions of Europe's White hookers were church/synagogue-going pious women.

    According a 2013 report by the North American churches reported that 41% of Christian girls under age 13 had sex at least once.

    On August 29, to show his hatred toward nine million French Muslims, French prime minister Manuel Valls (married to a Jew) became a laughing stock when he claimed that naked breasts and not the Muslim modest female beach dress Burkini represent French ‘secular values’.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/09/05/pm-naked-breasts-represent-france/

    Just great, you paint all European females as white hookers. Are you smoking angel dust? Really, that ‘holy’ Quran bullshite got your mind all fcuked up now. Jeez, WTF!

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    • Replies: @Moi
    Although you are bigot and an ignoramus, you have the advantage here--because unlike you, who sees no problem in insulting Islam, Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ.

    Which makes me wonder who are the more decent people and which is the better religion...
    , @Rehmat
    When was the last time you read your Bible moron?

    Doesn't it says that You Judeo-Christians can have sex with a three-year-old girl?

    Which country has public sex meters to collect tax from the hookers?

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/01/24/germany-sex-meters-and-anti-semitism/
  60. it is plain to see the jewish neo cons who were in the GOP like Kill Bill Kristol Wolfowitz kagan boot etc will vote for miss piggy the war slut because they are as always will be traitors. any one supports Israel and the war on Iraq are traitors just like the neo-cohens

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  61. If I had a say in Trump’s campaign, in the swing states I’d search for the counties that Bernie Sanders did well in. Then I run ads of all those pictures of the Bushes and the Clintons standing together. Have a slogan “For more war, vote for Clinton” not so much to get the Sanders backers to vote Trump, but so they don’t vote at all or go Green party.

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  62. @Khan Bodin
    What aggression, you offspring of an Anglo criminal from Aussiestan? You mean when your junta whom you just brought to power launch an aggression on a people of a region who doesn't want to follow orders of your agents? You are a moronic lying creature, Anglo. And rest assured that anyone with half a brain immidiately notice it.

    Kind of a rude comment Khan

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  63. Jews hate Putin because he stands in the way of their One-World Anti-Christ dream. F them. Jews are the Evil that Satan uses… they worship him, he rewards them.

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  64. @SolontoCroesus

    I also enjoyed Vulfovitz”s complaints about pronunciation. That pronunciation was surely correct.

    ‘No, you have to pronounce it as W in English, if you don’t, you are NSDAP’ the giant whine about that was very funny.
     
    No, that pronunciation was surely not correct.

    Paul Wolfowitz is the son of Polish Jewish immigrants to NYC --

    Strongly influenced by his father, Paul Wolfowitz['s] ... world views ... were forged by family history and in the halls of academia rather than in the jungles of Vietnam or the corridors of Congress ... [His father] ... escaped Poland after World War I. (wikipedia)
     
    De Gaulle and RobinG explored the ongoing impact of that critical difference between Polish Jews and (German) Jews in this exchange:

    De Gaulle:
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556829
    One inadequately explored part of Jewish history and impact on the world is the historical contribution to animus in Europe. Some Jews in Poland – Lithuania made life worse for fellow Jews because they defrauded and abused Poles and Litwaks, and Russians, and Ukranians. All Jews suffer from reactions to that, and wonder why they suffer if their family did nothing bad.

    RobinG:
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1556946
    This is also Art’s essential point, that “Little (honorable) Jews” will suffer because of acts of “Big (despicable) Jews.

    De Gaulle: Should they [Jews] turn on fellow Jews who defraud and abuse, or would their community turn on them? That is the age old question from eastern Europe and a question again in the middle east.

    RobinG: You follow up with the telling idiom “turn on.” (“Should they turn on fellow Jews who defraud and abuse, or would their community turn on them?”)
    Any criticism within the tribe is seen as disloyalty, so most refrain due to fear of ostracism.

    De Gaulle: Should a Jew feel guilty because an Oligarch stole, or a coin clipper or usurer hurt people? Does it hurt the world or heal the world to look at community issues, or hush them up and demonize askers?

    RobinG: Does their silence mean assent? Many members of the local synagogue are ashamed of Israel’s behavior, yet they keep the big banner outside that says they support Israel.

     
    More and more it becomes clear that WWII, and much of subsequent turmoil in the Middle East, was and is an ongoing Jewish civil war, Jew vs Jew, Levites slaughtering the worshipers of the Golden Calf (i.e. assimilators) fought out on other people's lands with other people's blood and treasure.

    Now, what was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?

    :)

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  65. @5371
    The key to all your "thoughts" about Russia, which you make all the more obvious by carefully avoiding any mention of it, is that you are a Jewish supremacist.

    The key to all your “thoughts” about Russia, which you make all the more obvious by carefully avoiding any mention of it, is that you are a Jewish supremacist.

    Unfortunately there are not enough Jews to run the world, but a tag team with anglo-saxons seems to be the best policy.

    I’m sorry I did not properly disclose my “Jewish supremacist” identity to your liking. Can you suggest how I might do so in the future? Maybe you could disclose “the key” to your opinions on every post too and we can jointly set a better example for improved discourse.

    I’ll take a golden star that says “Juden” on it, maybe in a cool old Fraktur letters, and you can get a little tin-foil hat icon.

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    • Replies: @5371
    Oh, you disclosed it in other comments quite clearly enough. It was in this context that your reticence spoke volumes.
  66. @Khan Bodin
    He's an Anglo. I can tell. I think remember him saying he was from Australia. He's not lamenting on anything I am. He's is a follower and a servant of Liberal AngloJewish Empire. You are confused.

    I’m not who you think I am. I thought you replied to me while meaning to reply to someone else. Or maybe English is not your first language and you got my meaning backwards. I hope you are more careful in the real world.

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  67. @Boris
    I have a feeling most Unz readers would be happier in Russia than the US. You guys should try it out.

    Happiness is a state of mind. I was in the horn of Africa, and people were happy with having a daily meal; then I returned to the USA, and people were upset because they could not afford the latest Samsung 7. So what makes you happy has nothing to do with where you are located, but your mind set.

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  68. @Lot

    The key to all your “thoughts” about Russia, which you make all the more obvious by carefully avoiding any mention of it, is that you are a Jewish supremacist.
     
    Unfortunately there are not enough Jews to run the world, but a tag team with anglo-saxons seems to be the best policy.

    I'm sorry I did not properly disclose my "Jewish supremacist" identity to your liking. Can you suggest how I might do so in the future? Maybe you could disclose "the key" to your opinions on every post too and we can jointly set a better example for improved discourse.

    I'll take a golden star that says "Juden" on it, maybe in a cool old Fraktur letters, and you can get a little tin-foil hat icon.

    Oh, you disclosed it in other comments quite clearly enough. It was in this context that your reticence spoke volumes.

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  69. @Captain Willard
    Mr. Green: applying the term "failure" depends upon one's understanding of the objective. If the Neocon objective was to spend lots of money on war and have their defense contractor buddies get rich in the process, I would call it a "success".

    For the rest of us servicing the government debt as tax mules, the Neocon Era was indeed a disastrous failure. I can tell you from the perspective of a DC native that the unprecedented prosperity of the DC "national defense" Nomenklatura suggests that we've not seen the last of the Neocons by any stretch of the imagination.

    World Beyond War event at American U. in Washington, D.C.
    No War 2016: Real Security Without Terrorism

    http://worldbeyondwar.org/nowar2016/

    One of the invited speakers has been denied entry to the US. (Because of his criticism of US sanctioned torture in the war on terror?)

    https://diy.rootsaction.org/petitions/tell-u-s-to-let-craig-murray-into-the-country?link_id=4&can_id=19e6752b1f7957a48204dfa354f52137&source=email-us-denies-entry-to-former-british-ambassador-craig-murray-2&email_referrer=us-denies-entry-to-former-british-ambassador-craig-murray-2&email_subject=us-denies-entry-to-former-british-ambassador-craig-murray

    Tell U.S. to Let Craig Murray into the Country
    “Murray was forced out of the British public service after he exposed the use of torture by Britain’s Uzbek allies. Murray is scheduled to chair the presentation of this year’s Sam Adams Award for Integrity in Intelligence to CIA torture whistleblower John Kiriakou, and to speak about diplomacy as an alternative to war at a World Beyond War conference planned for September 23-25 in Washington, D.C.”

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  70. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “The man has been maligned as a racist, a bigot, as unfit for office and even described as a psychopath, presumably in contract to Hillary Clinton”

    Correction: Contrast

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  71. @Marcus

    Putin is a realist and a nationalist
     
    Yeah just look at his "nationalist" policies in effect in Moscow
    http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-Graphics/MoscowMuslimsFillStreetsRamadan.jpg

    In case you can open your mind, realize that nationalism is not a religious preference but a national preference. The Russian Federation (nation) is the largest country on earth and is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-lingual federation. The large majority are Orthodox Christian / Rus Slav / Russophones, but minorities are fully respected, as it should be (well, although there are over 1 million Muslims in Moscow, they have only 4 mosques, so there is some discrimination in that regard).

    Most of the Russian Muslims come from the Volga-Ural region but many work in Moscow due to lack of jobs in their regions. Since Russian Federation is one country. just like in US, citizens can freely travel and engage in work anywhere in the country. Note these Muslims are not immigrants as they are in EU and, to some extent, US (many US Muslims are converts, particularly among African-Americans).

    For more information about Muslims in Russian Federation, see http://islam.ru/en/content/story/islam-russia .

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    I agree Russia has always been multi-ethnic, but before Putin there was a demographic balance dating back to the Soviet nationality policy, now they have >10 million immigrants, many of them illegal, from Central Asia and the Caucasus.
  72. @Marcus
    There were always some Tatars in European Russian (Muscovy would never have expanded if it were not for the Tatar and Turkish raiders that were a threat until the 17th century), but millions of Caucasians and Central Asians only began pouring in during the multicultural Putin regime, look at their behavior crowding the streets to block traffic. BTW the West as is Muslim-appeasing as Russia is, Hillary is making pandering to Muslims a big part of her campaign.

    Not Turkish but Turkic. Obviously being ignorant, the difference excapes you. For example, Bulgarians are Turkic people. But they are not Turkish. Yes, Russia is Tatar. That is what makes Russia so great. Tartars were great, fearless and unyielding people. Where do you think Russia got the strength to fight and win wave after wave of western aggression, bonehead? Those aggressions didn’t start with Napoleon, but go back centuries before… all the way back to Crusades. Russia is more Asian than European (see Russia on the map), and those central Asians have for centuries been part of Russia so they are pretty if not fully assimilated by now. But Russia is certainly, nor she could ever be, African like Murica is and like it’s turning Europe to be. Russia can only be European and Asian just like her place in the world shown on the map clearly illustrates. Notice the difference between what you Muricans did in comparison? By conquest you won the right for the land, but exterminated all indigenous American people and imported Africans. Slit your own throat right there. ehehehe Ah, if only you didn’t touch into Africa if you hadn’t had intentions of assimilating them, but then if you did that, you would have lost all your ethnic and racial attributes. You should have known that Africans have no moral or social compass, that by having them they wouldn’t cherish their own kind, but instead desire to breed with you and thus destroy you in the end. They are light years different compared to anything Asian or American (indigenous south or north). But you pushed forth your liberal philosopshy and you must pay for it. Just think what your predicament would now be if they are anymore bigger than 12% of the population, hmm? Even at 12% they have managed to niggerize you and make you pay trillions in some kind of reparations which have been now running for 50 yrs almost. You were made 2nd class citizens in your own land and you think you are smart and they are stupid. ehehehe Anyway, such problems you are experincing only exist with Africans. No other race or ethnicity behaves like them.

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  73. Speaking of Africans, here is what Darwin had to say…

    “Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.

    His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”

    — Charles Darwin

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    Thanks Khan. I've been searching for this particular quote for quite some time.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You'll lose your outsourcing contract from the Rehmat trolling, abuse and disinformation syndicate. Fair enough to be so ill educated and uncouth as to know nothing about Darwin and believe that overwrought crap could be his. But not even to check its source before polluting UR with it is a disservice and insult to all, and leaves your credibility at rock bottom.
    , @Christo
    Be aware that quote was not Darwin, but actually a Klansman. Named Dutton IIRC.
    Still , it doesn't matter who wrote it , it is correct.
  74. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    LOL!

    Whatever the Holy Quran is to all white racists, one thing which can’t be denied is its strict adherence to monotheism. You know, true monotheism as per first commandments, not some nonsense about “3 is 1.”

    Now, what should we call the Pagan Polytheist horseshiite which ** like you have heavily innovated on.

    Think about it :)

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  75. @Lot
    I find Sailer and Larison's anti-anti-Russian writing much more congenial than some of the Russian propagandists published here.

    Is it possible to dislike both the extreme anti and extreme pro-Russians equally?

    To belong to that club one has to repeatedly accuse Moscow of interfering in American politics, preferably without any evidence at all to support the claim.
     
    Oh no, Russia would never ever do that!

    In reality, they do it and we do the same. Usually we are much better at it. USA USA!!!

    While I have no doubt that Russia and China and everyone else is busy hacking and spying in every single way they can, that does not mean that anyone has been ordered to subvert our political system using those hacks or the spying. While Putin may very well prefer a Trump presidency he must know that it’s better than even odds no matter what he does that he will have to deal with Hillary. He would also have to know that any effort that he would make could backfire in many ways. Including actually working in Hillary’s behalf. It would be extraordinary for the Russians to actually try and change our elections because of the potential downsides, which are huge.

    The US gets away with all their regime changes, coups and colored revolutions but Russia can’t do the same without being hit sanctions and more cries of Russian aggression. So it would be an incredibly foolish move to try and mess with the US elections. Putin is many things but a fool is not one of them.

    It’s a huge leap from spying and hacking to deliberately trying to change the outcome of elections. And without evidence to back up this claim I would say that it’s simply nonsense. You have no proof and you have no motive. On the other hand we have both proof and motive in regards to the fact that the Neo-cons are doing their best to isolate Putin, which includes a smear campaign against him.

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  76. Anyway, such problems you are experincing (sic) only exist with Africans.

    Pardon me for my really dumb “goyish” views, but I thought some of the most significant problems we ‘Merkins are experiencing were largely due to stupid, mindless wars and welfare for the moneyed classes.

    Have “Africans” been responsible for the numerous bonehead wars we ‘Merkins have been fighting, and are they responsible for the corporate and banking bailouts? Did Africans do 9/11? Are they responsible for the rank corruption in the Federal government? Explain.

    Hillary is, has been, and will be a huge problem for us as have the rest of the neocon crowd. Am I supposed to believe that bunch is full of Africans?

    BTW, the correct term is “‘Merkin,” not “Murican.” Look it up.

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    • Replies: @Khan Bodin
    We were speaking in social aspect, which a poster I responded to raised. I didn't say they run wars or control federal government, libtard. It's the fact that their behavior is not moral in any shape or form, but neither is anyone of you liberal westerners either. And Murican is correct term. It's my term. You can call yourselves Merkin, Markin, Larkin and keep calling like yourselves by the name of a continent proving you are noone and nothing. Or you might adopt my name for you, which I think you might like considering how associating to that weed you like to smoke it is.
  77. @Rurik

    In neocon circles, being wrong (but unapologetic about it) has actually become a ticket to greater access ...
     
    but I'm sure you understand that from the neocon perspective, they weren't wrong at all. Rather, they were right on target. Look at Iraq and Libya and Syria... others. They've been destroyed, and their societies are in smoking ruins, and their citizens set at each other's throats. This is pure Old Testament hate, raw and full to the brim with vengeance, as is the OT god:

    "I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives..." Deuteronomy 32:42

    "So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. And they killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. And the sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods, they plundered. Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire. And they took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast. And they brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses..." Numbers 31:

    “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. “And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day. “And you shall purify for yourselves every garment and every article of leather and all the work of goats’ hair, and all articles of wood.” Deut. 20:16-17,

    Now I don't pretend to be a Biblical scholar, but I've been listening to this radio station of late that broadcasts a reading of the King James bible, and I've just been reminded of the terrible wrath of the OT God, and it shivers me timbers to realize that this is the stuff we see unfolding on the world today.

    So no, 'they' don't look at what Wolfowitz and Pearle have wrought, and say 'failure'. Nope. The reason Wolfowitz and the rest of the neocons are still in power is because they have succeeded amazingly. Indeed, if they have failed, it's only because Iran and Lebanon and other enemies of the Old Testament god have not yet perished under their vengeance:

    “Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." 1 Sam. 15:3,

    “Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you”


    failure and success depend on your perspective

    it's all relative

    Thanks Rurik. Like you, I’m fully aware of who’s running the show in Washington, and who’s responsible for instigating the current wars against Israel’s biblical enemies. If a sufficient number of Americans ever become aware of who’s responsible for steering their country to the brink of ruin, they would correct the situation by dealing with the likes of Wolfowitz, and hundreds of other dual-loyalist occupying many of the highest, and most influential offices in Washington.

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  78. @Boris
    I have a feeling most Unz readers would be happier in Russia than the US. You guys should try it out.

    I, for one, would be sufficiently happy if the US government were being run by Gentiles instead of Jews.

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  79. ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THIS QUADRENNIAL CHARADE FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION HAS AS A CHOICE OF FOUR OF THE WORST POSSIBLE PEOPLE IN THE U.S. ALL EITHER CRIMINALS OR AGENTS OF THE ROTHCHILD AGENDA OR JUST STUPID UNEDUCATED MORONS.TAKE YOUR PICK AT WITCH ONE IS WITCH.

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  80. @Khan Bodin
    Speaking of Africans, here is what Darwin had to say...

    "Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.

    His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”

    — Charles Darwin

    Thanks Khan. I’ve been searching for this particular quote for quite some time.

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  81. @CalDre
    In case you can open your mind, realize that nationalism is not a religious preference but a national preference. The Russian Federation (nation) is the largest country on earth and is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-lingual federation. The large majority are Orthodox Christian / Rus Slav / Russophones, but minorities are fully respected, as it should be (well, although there are over 1 million Muslims in Moscow, they have only 4 mosques, so there is some discrimination in that regard).

    Most of the Russian Muslims come from the Volga-Ural region but many work in Moscow due to lack of jobs in their regions. Since Russian Federation is one country. just like in US, citizens can freely travel and engage in work anywhere in the country. Note these Muslims are not immigrants as they are in EU and, to some extent, US (many US Muslims are converts, particularly among African-Americans).

    For more information about Muslims in Russian Federation, see http://islam.ru/en/content/story/islam-russia .

    I agree Russia has always been multi-ethnic, but before Putin there was a demographic balance dating back to the Soviet nationality policy, now they have >10 million immigrants, many of them illegal, from Central Asia and the Caucasus.

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  82. @White Nationalist
    Just great, you paint all European females as white hookers. Are you smoking angel dust? Really, that 'holy' Quran bullshite got your mind all fcuked up now. Jeez, WTF!

    Although you are bigot and an ignoramus, you have the advantage here–because unlike you, who sees no problem in insulting Islam, Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ.

    Which makes me wonder who are the more decent people and which is the better religion…

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    You can to Istanbul and see for yourself all the churches with whitewashed icons and niches with crosses removed for yourself.
    , @schmenz
    Well, Rehmat is certainly clueless when it comes to Christian history which I presume he sees through the lens of his particular brand of Islam, rather than actual history. I have nothing against the man but I do wish he'd do more research before writing about historical events.
    , @Avery
    {Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ.}

    You are either a liar or a hateful IslmoFascist propagandist.
    1,000s of Christian Armenian, Assyrian and Greek churches were converted to barns or mosques by savage UygurTürkoğlar invadonomads from East and Central Asia.
    I am not aware of a single mosque that was converted to a church: are U, anti-Christian IslamoFascist supremacist bigot?

    Filthy Turkic nomad tribes squatting on Christian lands and despoiling advanced civilizations with their lupine paws are insulting the Bible and Christ.

    The magnificent Christian Hagia Sophia has been converted to a mosque by Muslim savages: obviously to an IslamoFascist anti-Christian bigot that is not an insult.

    {Which makes me wonder who are the more decent people and which is the better religion…}

    Keep wondering: in the meantime, instead of living in a Christian country, why don't you go back and live happily amongst your 'more decent (Muslim) people' and enjoy the 'better religion' in your favourite Islamistan.

    Please go: don't wait.
    Islamic Paradise awaits you.

  83. @Parbes
    The "Russian Muslims" have been Turko-Mongoloid, North-Central Asiatics, though... Very different in almost every way from Middle Eastern and South Asian Muslims.

    You point? Muslims aren’t limited to the groups you mentioned–there are Malay, African, and other Muslims….Nor are all Muslims clones of each other.

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    • Replies: @Parbes
    My "point" is just what I wrote. Do you have reading comprehension problems? I was emphasizing that the Muslims (or, rather, people of historical Muslim background) in Russia are different racially, socio-culturally and historically from Muslims in other regions - which was a critical nuance that seemed to be glossed over in the comment I was responding to.
  84. @Jacques Sheete

    Anyway, such problems you are experincing (sic) only exist with Africans.
     
    Pardon me for my really dumb "goyish" views, but I thought some of the most significant problems we 'Merkins are experiencing were largely due to stupid, mindless wars and welfare for the moneyed classes.

    Have "Africans" been responsible for the numerous bonehead wars we 'Merkins have been fighting, and are they responsible for the corporate and banking bailouts? Did Africans do 9/11? Are they responsible for the rank corruption in the Federal government? Explain.

    Hillary is, has been, and will be a huge problem for us as have the rest of the neocon crowd. Am I supposed to believe that bunch is full of Africans?

    BTW, the correct term is "'Merkin," not "Murican." Look it up.

    We were speaking in social aspect, which a poster I responded to raised. I didn’t say they run wars or control federal government, libtard. It’s the fact that their behavior is not moral in any shape or form, but neither is anyone of you liberal westerners either. And Murican is correct term. It’s my term. You can call yourselves Merkin, Markin, Larkin and keep calling like yourselves by the name of a continent proving you are noone and nothing. Or you might adopt my name for you, which I think you might like considering how associating to that weed you like to smoke it is.

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  85. @Moi
    Although you are bigot and an ignoramus, you have the advantage here--because unlike you, who sees no problem in insulting Islam, Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ.

    Which makes me wonder who are the more decent people and which is the better religion...

    You can to Istanbul and see for yourself all the churches with whitewashed icons and niches with crosses removed for yourself.

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    • Replies: @moi
    And how many Muslim countries has the US destroyed? Perhaps you care to visit them and gain firsthand knowledge.
    , @dahoit
    The Greeks left,and the churches were empty would be the most logical answer.The Muslims filled the vacuum.
    When was this 1442, or something?Who cares?Outside of nutty ethnic Europeans?
  86. @Moi
    You point? Muslims aren't limited to the groups you mentioned--there are Malay, African, and other Muslims....Nor are all Muslims clones of each other.

    My “point” is just what I wrote. Do you have reading comprehension problems? I was emphasizing that the Muslims (or, rather, people of historical Muslim background) in Russia are different racially, socio-culturally and historically from Muslims in other regions – which was a critical nuance that seemed to be glossed over in the comment I was responding to.

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  87. @Marcus
    You can to Istanbul and see for yourself all the churches with whitewashed icons and niches with crosses removed for yourself.

    And how many Muslim countries has the US destroyed? Perhaps you care to visit them and gain firsthand knowledge.

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    Iraq and Afghanistan are still very much Muslim, there was no effort to uproot the religion in either, in fact, people who wanted the wars praised it

    Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn’t follow the great traditions of Islam. They’ve hijacked a great religion.

     

    - George W Bush
  88. @moi
    And how many Muslim countries has the US destroyed? Perhaps you care to visit them and gain firsthand knowledge.

    Iraq and Afghanistan are still very much Muslim, there was no effort to uproot the religion in either, in fact, people who wanted the wars praised it

    Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn’t follow the great traditions of Islam. They’ve hijacked a great religion.

    – George W Bush

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    • Replies: @dahoit
    Quoting idiots will get one nowhere with even somewhat intelligent people.
    To that quote I would reply;In what way do our Christians represent Christianity?
    Moonie loonie religious idiots for zion are not Christians,they are heretics.
    And before 1948 no Americans gave a goddamn about Islam,its beliefs and culture.
    And since then its been a 70 year old case of USzion aggression against said,all for Israel,and oil of course.
    We wonder why they hate US?
    Muslims revere Jesus Christ as a righteous prophet,while the zionists call him the son of a whore.This is factual.
    And the racial crap is just divide and conquer nonsense,which our enemy zion,loves .
    Its a constant effort by the moles and traitors.
  89. @Avery
    Most UNZ readers, judging by the posted comments, are not the mindless MSM robots regurgitating the packaged, processed memes fed them daily or injected directly into their brains by the MSM.

    There is absolutely no reason for there to be any animosity between American and Russian peoples. Yet a handful of reptiles (from the series V), whose loyalty to America is clearly lacking, are doing their best to manufacture crises and wars, to keep the MIC monster going full throttle, and raking in American taxpayer $Trillions for themselves and their select friends.

    Not single war US started or gotten itself involved in since WW2 has benefited the American taxpayer in the least. On the contrary, it has caused great harm.

    US has become the former USSR, and Russia tries to become what US was a long time ago. (ex: Russian income tax is flat 13%).

    And pointing out what Russia's leaders are doing for the benefit of their own country vs what current US leaders are doing to America and American people - royally screwing both - does not equate to patriotic Americans wanting to move to Russia or anywhere else.

    Clearly UNZ readers are not alone: despite the massive onslaught of the entrenched parasitic, anti-American class against candidate Trump - whose major "sin" is (mildly) advocating for America's interests - he is neck and neck with the warmongering, Cackling She-Devil. She is already agitating for conflict with Russia.

    And the way it works is that we are not leaving US: it would be much better if youse warmongers leave.
    Go away and leave us alone.


    {“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.”}

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

    Well said, Avery.

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  90. @Moi
    Although you are bigot and an ignoramus, you have the advantage here--because unlike you, who sees no problem in insulting Islam, Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ.

    Which makes me wonder who are the more decent people and which is the better religion...

    Well, Rehmat is certainly clueless when it comes to Christian history which I presume he sees through the lens of his particular brand of Islam, rather than actual history. I have nothing against the man but I do wish he’d do more research before writing about historical events.

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  91. Do the democrats still believe America is the last bastion of democracy? The neocon hoard is as brutal, unforgiving, bestial, criminal,and deadly as ISIS and perhaps more so. America is sliding into darkness. No hope, no glimmer of light, no sentiments of love and caring; only unbounded darkness. May time have mercy on this country.

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  92. @JL

    The only problem is that Russia might really, really get pissed off by all the flatulence being directed at it. That could become very dangerous.
     
    I'm afraid the glibness of this sentence under emphasizes the true extent of the danger. To Russians, this "flatulence" sounds eerily familiar to the Nazi anti-communist campaigns of the 1930s. They take it very seriously.

    Americans don't seem to realize that if TSHTF with Russia, they won't be able to argue on Facebook about how it's all Russia's fault. It won't matter. If Hillary gets elected, I recommend people break out, and get to work on, their bucket lists because we'll all be well and truly screwed. Please, for the sake of humanity, Trump! or, barring that, an incapacitated HRC before the elections.

    “To Russians, this “flatulence” sounds eerily familiar to the Nazi anti-communist campaigns of the 1930s. They take it very seriously. ”

    I suggest that the “flatulence” is virtually identical to the campaign begun in 1933 by the World Jewish Congress against another nationalist in Germany, and another campaign begun in 1983 by the Israelis against a nationalist in Iraq. Is it a co-incidence that the Wolfowitz apple didn’t fall far from the tree?

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  93. @Marcus
    Iraq and Afghanistan are still very much Muslim, there was no effort to uproot the religion in either, in fact, people who wanted the wars praised it

    Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn’t follow the great traditions of Islam. They’ve hijacked a great religion.

     

    - George W Bush

    Quoting idiots will get one nowhere with even somewhat intelligent people.
    To that quote I would reply;In what way do our Christians represent Christianity?
    Moonie loonie religious idiots for zion are not Christians,they are heretics.
    And before 1948 no Americans gave a goddamn about Islam,its beliefs and culture.
    And since then its been a 70 year old case of USzion aggression against said,all for Israel,and oil of course.
    We wonder why they hate US?
    Muslims revere Jesus Christ as a righteous prophet,while the zionists call him the son of a whore.This is factual.
    And the racial crap is just divide and conquer nonsense,which our enemy zion,loves .
    Its a constant effort by the moles and traitors.

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  94. @Marcus
    You can to Istanbul and see for yourself all the churches with whitewashed icons and niches with crosses removed for yourself.

    The Greeks left,and the churches were empty would be the most logical answer.The Muslims filled the vacuum.
    When was this 1442, or something?Who cares?Outside of nutty ethnic Europeans?

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {The Greeks left,and the churches were empty would be the most logical answer.}

    Greeks didn't ' left': they were subjected to Genocide and ethnic cleansing by invading Muslims.

    {The Muslims filled the vacuum}.

    Invading Muslims filled the vacuum they created by murdering indigenous Christian Greeks.


    {When was this 1442, or something?Who cares?Outside of nutty ethnic Europeans?}

    Are you mentally challenged or something?

    {'Who cares'?}

    Lots of people care.
    U don't care: that is perfectly fine.
    Go play with your marbles son: mommy and daddy are happy Jr is happy.
    Make sure U only play with your marbles, and nothing else, ya hear?

    , @Marcus
    "Filled the vacuum" is nice dhimmi euphemism for Mohammedan expulsion, slaughter or subjugation of native populations. And no, the peoples of the Balkans have not forgotten the rape of their lands by the Turks, nor should they.
  95. @Moi
    Although you are bigot and an ignoramus, you have the advantage here--because unlike you, who sees no problem in insulting Islam, Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ.

    Which makes me wonder who are the more decent people and which is the better religion...

    {Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ.}

    You are either a liar or a hateful IslmoFascist propagandist.
    1,000s of Christian Armenian, Assyrian and Greek churches were converted to barns or mosques by savage UygurTürkoğlar invadonomads from East and Central Asia.
    I am not aware of a single mosque that was converted to a church: are U, anti-Christian IslamoFascist supremacist bigot?

    Filthy Turkic nomad tribes squatting on Christian lands and despoiling advanced civilizations with their lupine paws are insulting the Bible and Christ.

    The magnificent Christian Hagia Sophia has been converted to a mosque by Muslim savages: obviously to an IslamoFascist anti-Christian bigot that is not an insult.

    {Which makes me wonder who are the more decent people and which is the better religion…}

    Keep wondering: in the meantime, instead of living in a Christian country, why don’t you go back and live happily amongst your ‘more decent (Muslim) people’ and enjoy the ‘better religion’ in your favourite Islamistan.

    Please go: don’t wait.
    Islamic Paradise awaits you.

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    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    But what do you really think?
    , @moi
    Hey, let's reconnect when you feel better. Best wishes!
  96. […] 07, 2016 “Information Clearing House” – “Unz” –  Many issues characteristically beloved by Democrats are being raised to disparage […]

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  97. @dahoit
    The Greeks left,and the churches were empty would be the most logical answer.The Muslims filled the vacuum.
    When was this 1442, or something?Who cares?Outside of nutty ethnic Europeans?

    {The Greeks left,and the churches were empty would be the most logical answer.}

    Greeks didn’t ‘ left’: they were subjected to Genocide and ethnic cleansing by invading Muslims.

    {The Muslims filled the vacuum}.

    Invading Muslims filled the vacuum they created by murdering indigenous Christian Greeks.

    {When was this 1442, or something?Who cares?Outside of nutty ethnic Europeans?}

    Are you mentally challenged or something?

    {‘Who cares’?}

    Lots of people care.
    U don’t care: that is perfectly fine.
    Go play with your marbles son: mommy and daddy are happy Jr is happy.
    Make sure U only play with your marbles, and nothing else, ya hear?

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    • Replies: @anon
    anybody ever tell you yur cute when yur angry?
    , @Marcus
    Mahommedans and their apologists now try to gloss over their history and accuse people who reject these lies of being "divisive." Why? To silence resistance to the current rapefugee invasion.
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    @Avery
    {The Greeks left,and the churches were empty would be the most logical answer.}

    Greeks didn't ' left': they were subjected to Genocide and ethnic cleansing by invading Muslims.

    {The Muslims filled the vacuum}.

    Invading Muslims filled the vacuum they created by murdering indigenous Christian Greeks.


    {When was this 1442, or something?Who cares?Outside of nutty ethnic Europeans?}

    Are you mentally challenged or something?

    {'Who cares'?}

    Lots of people care.
    U don't care: that is perfectly fine.
    Go play with your marbles son: mommy and daddy are happy Jr is happy.
    Make sure U only play with your marbles, and nothing else, ya hear?

    anybody ever tell you yur cute when yur angry?

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  99. If Muslims were a threat in the US, why is the Wolfowitz piece of shit still alive?

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  100. For the first time I am supremely confident that Trump is going to win. And since he will do so while being extremely clear about the need to reconcile with Russia, that meant that the majority of Americans desire for such reconciliation.
    That’s why the Beltway crowd – whose livelihood depends on the continued existence of the ENEMY – is going completely berserk in demonizing Moscow.
    It won’t work.

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  101. @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting thought. Would you care to spell out why "liberal democracy was a poorly conceived idea from the beginning"? I promise you will get acknowledgment when it is used as a frequent question - with the command "Comment" added - on Foreign Service entrance exam papers :-)

    Not sure you’re aware, but your schtick has become frightfully boring, you need new material.

    You’re welcome.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Flattering I suppose that anyone even imagines they've paid enough attention to be able to generalise. As I couldn't return the compliment I did a search and still haven't the evidence to know what your shtick might be or even your Weltanschauung. But at least I have the opportunity to ask what it is that you describe as my shtick. Maybe you don't understand a person being less than offensive in your conversations?
  102. @Avery
    {Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ.}

    You are either a liar or a hateful IslmoFascist propagandist.
    1,000s of Christian Armenian, Assyrian and Greek churches were converted to barns or mosques by savage UygurTürkoğlar invadonomads from East and Central Asia.
    I am not aware of a single mosque that was converted to a church: are U, anti-Christian IslamoFascist supremacist bigot?

    Filthy Turkic nomad tribes squatting on Christian lands and despoiling advanced civilizations with their lupine paws are insulting the Bible and Christ.

    The magnificent Christian Hagia Sophia has been converted to a mosque by Muslim savages: obviously to an IslamoFascist anti-Christian bigot that is not an insult.

    {Which makes me wonder who are the more decent people and which is the better religion…}

    Keep wondering: in the meantime, instead of living in a Christian country, why don't you go back and live happily amongst your 'more decent (Muslim) people' and enjoy the 'better religion' in your favourite Islamistan.

    Please go: don't wait.
    Islamic Paradise awaits you.

    But what do you really think?

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  103. @Khan Bodin
    Speaking of Africans, here is what Darwin had to say...

    "Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.

    His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”

    — Charles Darwin

    You’ll lose your outsourcing contract from the Rehmat trolling, abuse and disinformation syndicate. Fair enough to be so ill educated and uncouth as to know nothing about Darwin and believe that overwrought crap could be his. But not even to check its source before polluting UR with it is a disservice and insult to all, and leaves your credibility at rock bottom.

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    So, are you implying that the Darwin quote is another disagreeable quote that Jewish censors declared fake?
    , @Krollchem
    You are correct and here is the link that proves that Darwin didn't utter the quote:
    http://fixedgear808.blogspot.com/2012/03/racist-quote-attributed-to-charles.html

    In all the dozens of articles where you have commented I have yet to notice a single link. Could you please try to provide links to your assertions in the future? As I have said many times before, most of us read articles and comments at the the Unz Review to further our education.

    Sincerely
  104. @Beefcake the Mighty
    Not sure you're aware, but your schtick has become frightfully boring, you need new material.

    You're welcome.

    Flattering I suppose that anyone even imagines they’ve paid enough attention to be able to generalise. As I couldn’t return the compliment I did a search and still haven’t the evidence to know what your shtick might be or even your Weltanschauung. But at least I have the opportunity to ask what it is that you describe as my shtick. Maybe you don’t understand a person being less than offensive in your conversations?

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  105. @Avery
    {Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ.}

    You are either a liar or a hateful IslmoFascist propagandist.
    1,000s of Christian Armenian, Assyrian and Greek churches were converted to barns or mosques by savage UygurTürkoğlar invadonomads from East and Central Asia.
    I am not aware of a single mosque that was converted to a church: are U, anti-Christian IslamoFascist supremacist bigot?

    Filthy Turkic nomad tribes squatting on Christian lands and despoiling advanced civilizations with their lupine paws are insulting the Bible and Christ.

    The magnificent Christian Hagia Sophia has been converted to a mosque by Muslim savages: obviously to an IslamoFascist anti-Christian bigot that is not an insult.

    {Which makes me wonder who are the more decent people and which is the better religion…}

    Keep wondering: in the meantime, instead of living in a Christian country, why don't you go back and live happily amongst your 'more decent (Muslim) people' and enjoy the 'better religion' in your favourite Islamistan.

    Please go: don't wait.
    Islamic Paradise awaits you.

    Hey, let’s reconnect when you feel better. Best wishes!

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    • Replies: @Avery
    Hey, sure thing.

    However, since I factually refuted your bogus self-serving allegation that 'Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ' , you need to spend your precious time coming up with facts, instead of playing psychoanalyst.

    As soon as you factually refute - if you can - what I wrote in my post about the visceral hatred of some (but very large number) Muslims towards Christians and the death and destruction they have wrought in Christian civilizations, Christian peoples, Christian communities, then we'll see.
  106. @Wizard of Oz
    You'll lose your outsourcing contract from the Rehmat trolling, abuse and disinformation syndicate. Fair enough to be so ill educated and uncouth as to know nothing about Darwin and believe that overwrought crap could be his. But not even to check its source before polluting UR with it is a disservice and insult to all, and leaves your credibility at rock bottom.

    So, are you implying that the Darwin quote is another disagreeable quote that Jewish censors declared fake?

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You have just reminded me that, until I switched phones, you were on my Ignore list and why. Stupidity as evidenced by your apparent inability to do an elementary search, marking yourself as someone with whom conversation would be a waste of time.

    See this link provided by Krollchem #116
    http://fixedgear808.blogspot.com.au

  107. @Mark Green
    Wolfowitz's continued prominence demonstrates the counter-intuitive adage that neocons get to fail upwards.

    Being conspicuously wrong no longer has the type of consequences normally associated with public failure. Though of course it should. But times have changed. Who's rigging the show? In no small way, dishonest media has helped keep this phony operation above water. It's a deception of staggering magnitude.

    In neocon circles, being wrong (but unapologetic about it) has actually become a ticket to greater access and increased visibility. William Kristol has perfected this lifestyle. But rewarding disaster tends to bring more of the same.

    In the private sector, the marketplace is designed to send failure into oblivion--or at least, bankruptcy court.

    But in the corrupt corridors of revolving neocon power, these warlords in suits (like Wolfowitz) get to keep their jobs, negotiate a raise, and maintain their status as authority figures and elite pundits. This leaky ship cannot for much longer float.

    Why do you describe the neo-cons as failures? The more chaos, privation and godless bloody murder they could conjure — the better: They’ve got their clash of civilizations roiling at full steam, with no end in sight. Mission Accomplished.

    Is there anything so sexually satisfying to a Judean than the notion of endless trainloads of dead goyim?

    Has it not been said for centuries that wars are the Jews’ harvests? And, as Bibi infamously quipped: “America is expendable.

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  108. @JL

    The only problem is that Russia might really, really get pissed off by all the flatulence being directed at it. That could become very dangerous.
     
    I'm afraid the glibness of this sentence under emphasizes the true extent of the danger. To Russians, this "flatulence" sounds eerily familiar to the Nazi anti-communist campaigns of the 1930s. They take it very seriously.

    Americans don't seem to realize that if TSHTF with Russia, they won't be able to argue on Facebook about how it's all Russia's fault. It won't matter. If Hillary gets elected, I recommend people break out, and get to work on, their bucket lists because we'll all be well and truly screwed. Please, for the sake of humanity, Trump! or, barring that, an incapacitated HRC before the elections.

    Note to Social Justice Crybabies. A war with Russia and or China will not just be on TV. And there will be no safe spaces.

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  109. @moi
    Hey, let's reconnect when you feel better. Best wishes!

    Hey, sure thing.

    However, since I factually refuted your bogus self-serving allegation that ‘Muslims will not insult the Bible or Christ’ , you need to spend your precious time coming up with facts, instead of playing psychoanalyst.

    As soon as you factually refute – if you can – what I wrote in my post about the visceral hatred of some (but very large number) Muslims towards Christians and the death and destruction they have wrought in Christian civilizations, Christian peoples, Christian communities, then we’ll see.

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  110. @dahoit
    The Greeks left,and the churches were empty would be the most logical answer.The Muslims filled the vacuum.
    When was this 1442, or something?Who cares?Outside of nutty ethnic Europeans?

    “Filled the vacuum” is nice dhimmi euphemism for Mohammedan expulsion, slaughter or subjugation of native populations. And no, the peoples of the Balkans have not forgotten the rape of their lands by the Turks, nor should they.

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  111. @Avery
    {The Greeks left,and the churches were empty would be the most logical answer.}

    Greeks didn't ' left': they were subjected to Genocide and ethnic cleansing by invading Muslims.

    {The Muslims filled the vacuum}.

    Invading Muslims filled the vacuum they created by murdering indigenous Christian Greeks.


    {When was this 1442, or something?Who cares?Outside of nutty ethnic Europeans?}

    Are you mentally challenged or something?

    {'Who cares'?}

    Lots of people care.
    U don't care: that is perfectly fine.
    Go play with your marbles son: mommy and daddy are happy Jr is happy.
    Make sure U only play with your marbles, and nothing else, ya hear?

    Mahommedans and their apologists now try to gloss over their history and accuse people who reject these lies of being “divisive.” Why? To silence resistance to the current rapefugee invasion.

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  112. @Wizard of Oz
    You'll lose your outsourcing contract from the Rehmat trolling, abuse and disinformation syndicate. Fair enough to be so ill educated and uncouth as to know nothing about Darwin and believe that overwrought crap could be his. But not even to check its source before polluting UR with it is a disservice and insult to all, and leaves your credibility at rock bottom.

    You are correct and here is the link that proves that Darwin didn’t utter the quote:

    http://fixedgear808.blogspot.com/2012/03/racist-quote-attributed-to-charles.html

    In all the dozens of articles where you have commented I have yet to notice a single link. Could you please try to provide links to your assertions in the future? As I have said many times before, most of us read articles and comments at the the Unz Review to further our education.

    Sincerely

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    Yes I would like to provide links but almost invariably I have only one digit on a smartphone as instrument. But you prompt me to see if I can learn to copy and paste with facility.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/google-android/how-copy-paste-on-android-3446250/

    Like that, so thanks.
  113. @Krollchem
    You are correct and here is the link that proves that Darwin didn't utter the quote:
    http://fixedgear808.blogspot.com/2012/03/racist-quote-attributed-to-charles.html

    In all the dozens of articles where you have commented I have yet to notice a single link. Could you please try to provide links to your assertions in the future? As I have said many times before, most of us read articles and comments at the the Unz Review to further our education.

    Sincerely

    Yes I would like to provide links but almost invariably I have only one digit on a smartphone as instrument. But you prompt me to see if I can learn to copy and paste with facility.

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  114. @Krollchem
    You are correct and here is the link that proves that Darwin didn't utter the quote:
    http://fixedgear808.blogspot.com/2012/03/racist-quote-attributed-to-charles.html

    In all the dozens of articles where you have commented I have yet to notice a single link. Could you please try to provide links to your assertions in the future? As I have said many times before, most of us read articles and comments at the the Unz Review to further our education.

    Sincerely
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  115. @Carroll Price
    So, are you implying that the Darwin quote is another disagreeable quote that Jewish censors declared fake?

    You have just reminded me that, until I switched phones, you were on my Ignore list and why. Stupidity as evidenced by your apparent inability to do an elementary search, marking yourself as someone with whom conversation would be a waste of time.

    See this link provided by Krollchem #116

    http://fixedgear808.blogspot.com.au

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    Glad I could help. Realized that I had failed to @Carroll Price. Thanks for pointing out his error.

    I didn't realize that you are using a smartphone to post comments. Please be careful about too much smartphone use: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/03/text-neck-is-smartphone-use-causing-your-neck-pain/

    I try to keep my 32" monitor screen at eye level and use a lumbar roll for my back. I hope this may be of assistance to you.

    Looking forward to the articles you link to in the future.
    , @Carroll Price
    I can't find anything stating this quote is a fake or that Charles Darwin never said it. The closest thing I found in this regard s that the quote cannot definitely be attributed to Charles Darwin or any other single individual, which is also true for many other famous quotes. Meanwhile, it will always remain an indisputable fact that whoever wrote it, made numerous observations about the black race that are obviously as true today as they ever were.
  116. @Rurik

    In neocon circles, being wrong (but unapologetic about it) has actually become a ticket to greater access ...
     
    but I'm sure you understand that from the neocon perspective, they weren't wrong at all. Rather, they were right on target. Look at Iraq and Libya and Syria... others. They've been destroyed, and their societies are in smoking ruins, and their citizens set at each other's throats. This is pure Old Testament hate, raw and full to the brim with vengeance, as is the OT god:

    "I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives..." Deuteronomy 32:42

    "So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. And they killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. And the sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods, they plundered. Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire. And they took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast. And they brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses..." Numbers 31:

    “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. “And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day. “And you shall purify for yourselves every garment and every article of leather and all the work of goats’ hair, and all articles of wood.” Deut. 20:16-17,

    Now I don't pretend to be a Biblical scholar, but I've been listening to this radio station of late that broadcasts a reading of the King James bible, and I've just been reminded of the terrible wrath of the OT God, and it shivers me timbers to realize that this is the stuff we see unfolding on the world today.

    So no, 'they' don't look at what Wolfowitz and Pearle have wrought, and say 'failure'. Nope. The reason Wolfowitz and the rest of the neocons are still in power is because they have succeeded amazingly. Indeed, if they have failed, it's only because Iran and Lebanon and other enemies of the Old Testament god have not yet perished under their vengeance:

    “Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." 1 Sam. 15:3,

    “Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you”


    failure and success depend on your perspective

    it's all relative

    “Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” 1 Sam. 15:3,

    …And do the strikes with the US manpower and treasure…. A picture of a parasitoid and its host. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovo_T0KqdYg

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  117. @Marcus
    Mahommedans and their apologists now try to gloss over their history and accuse people who reject these lies of being "divisive." Why? To silence resistance to the current rapefugee invasion.

    Exactly.

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  118. @SolontoCroesus
    What did Wolfowitz know about US destabilization of Libya; about US & CIA presence in Benghazi; about US determination to remove (preferably w/ extreme prejudice) Qaddafi, and when did he know it?


    MARCH 28, 2011
    U.S. Military Intervention in Libya
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?298692-1/us-military-intervention-libya

    For the love of everything that’s Holy — what sort of question was THAT?

    Wolfowitz is a current-generation architect of the agenda of the Global Jewish Nation.

    He fucking knew EVERYTHING a decade before it happened, inasmuch as it’s his ethno-mafia cabal that planned it all, including the 9/11 attacks.
    [Obligatory Fred Reed disclaimer: Why that's crazy talk to use the timeworn scapegoat canard to say that Jews conspire against the rest of us! Please don't stop my checks!]

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  119. @Incitatus
    Hilary's claims of Russian manipulation of Trump and/or the election are nonsense. Cut her some slack. She’s just taking advice from late neocon god (and AEI ‘scholar’) Irving Kristal:
    “With the end of the Cold War, what we really need is an obvious ideological and threatening enemy, one worthy of our mettle, one that can unite us in opposition.” -IK 1996

    That sentiment’s produced more enemies than Don Quixote could have imagined. After all, they help leverag passive internal compliance, paranoid policy, and bloated defense spending. Enemies are essential patrons of immoral politicians and war profiteers.

    As for Wolfowitz, watching him spit on his comb prior to a media appearance is all one needs know:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bnpTK5mgZQ

    If rumors are true, Wolfowitz’s sycophantic aide at the World Bank was nicknamed ‘the comb’ by his peers.

    Trump? He’ll be anyone he thinks you want him to be. Object to Mideast neutrality? No problem, he’ll vomit up the same old tired, servile flattery to AIPAC. Just don’t ask him to release his tax returns.

    Can’t we just- for fun this one time- elect this guy Trump?

    Maybe, just maybe, he’ll go all Giuliani on the” Times Square”- type cesspool
    that is DC…

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    No question DC is despicable, but making it into Atlantic City wouldn’t be much of an improvement.

    I’m all for cleaning up the cesspool, but Trump isn’t a honey-dipper. He’s one of the oligarchs who made the sewer. Five deferments, four bankruptcies, three wives, two positions on most subjects, and (probably) zero income taxes?

    Hillary swims as deeply in the same muck. I fear we’re completely screwed regardless of who wins in November. I hope I'm wrong.
  120. […] 07, 2016 “Information Clearing House” – “Unz” – Many issues characteristically beloved by Democrats are being raised to disparage […]

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  121. @Stonehands
    Can't we just- for fun this one time- elect this guy Trump?

    Maybe, just maybe, he'll go all Giuliani on the" Times Square"- type cesspool
    that is DC...

    No question DC is despicable, but making it into Atlantic City wouldn’t be much of an improvement.

    I’m all for cleaning up the cesspool, but Trump isn’t a honey-dipper. He’s one of the oligarchs who made the sewer. Five deferments, four bankruptcies, three wives, two positions on most subjects, and (probably) zero income taxes?

    Hillary swims as deeply in the same muck. I fear we’re completely screwed regardless of who wins in November. I hope I’m wrong.

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  122. @Wizard of Oz
    You have just reminded me that, until I switched phones, you were on my Ignore list and why. Stupidity as evidenced by your apparent inability to do an elementary search, marking yourself as someone with whom conversation would be a waste of time.

    See this link provided by Krollchem #116
    http://fixedgear808.blogspot.com.au

    Glad I could help. Realized that I had failed to . Thanks for pointing out his error.

    I didn’t realize that you are using a smartphone to post comments. Please be careful about too much smartphone use: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/03/text-neck-is-smartphone-use-causing-your-neck-pain/

    I try to keep my 32″ monitor screen at eye level and use a lumbar roll for my back. I hope this may be of assistance to you.

    Looking forward to the articles you link to in the future.

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    I don't think I would waste nearly as much time on UR - or the FT - if I couldn't lie down with vertebral discs totally unpressured to make sure that I can continue very vigorous bursts of physical activity enjoyably and without more disc damage. Reading on the computer in a good chair for typing suits my money related activities or printing travel arrangements but not UR.
  123. @Wizard of Oz
    Flattering I suppose that anyone even imagines they've paid enough attention to be able to generalise. As I couldn't return the compliment I did a search and still haven't the evidence to know what your shtick might be or even your Weltanschauung. But at least I have the opportunity to ask what it is that you describe as my shtick. Maybe you don't understand a person being less than offensive in your conversations?

    Thanks for helping make my point.

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  124. @White Nationalist
    Just great, you paint all European females as white hookers. Are you smoking angel dust? Really, that 'holy' Quran bullshite got your mind all fcuked up now. Jeez, WTF!

    When was the last time you read your Bible moron?

    Doesn’t it says that You Judeo-Christians can have sex with a three-year-old girl?

    Which country has public sex meters to collect tax from the hookers?

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/01/24/germany-sex-meters-and-anti-semitism/

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  125. Neo-conservatives are not real conservatives.

    90% are Jews who are really Democrats, but just want to hedge their bets by temporarily identifying with the GOP.

    Who among the elite has the courage to stand up and say that America has been taken over?

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  126. @krollchem
    Glad I could help. Realized that I had failed to @Carroll Price. Thanks for pointing out his error.

    I didn't realize that you are using a smartphone to post comments. Please be careful about too much smartphone use: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/03/text-neck-is-smartphone-use-causing-your-neck-pain/

    I try to keep my 32" monitor screen at eye level and use a lumbar roll for my back. I hope this may be of assistance to you.

    Looking forward to the articles you link to in the future.

    I don’t think I would waste nearly as much time on UR – or the FT – if I couldn’t lie down with vertebral discs totally unpressured to make sure that I can continue very vigorous bursts of physical activity enjoyably and without more disc damage. Reading on the computer in a good chair for typing suits my money related activities or printing travel arrangements but not UR.

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  127. @Wizard of Oz
    You have just reminded me that, until I switched phones, you were on my Ignore list and why. Stupidity as evidenced by your apparent inability to do an elementary search, marking yourself as someone with whom conversation would be a waste of time.

    See this link provided by Krollchem #116
    http://fixedgear808.blogspot.com.au

    I can’t find anything stating this quote is a fake or that Charles Darwin never said it. The closest thing I found in this regard s that the quote cannot definitely be attributed to Charles Darwin or any other single individual, which is also true for many other famous quotes. Meanwhile, it will always remain an indisputable fact that whoever wrote it, made numerous observations about the black race that are obviously as true today as they ever were.

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    Seems to have been Thomas F. Dixon Jr in 1905. In any case anyone familiar with Darwin's writing, not least his loathing of slavery, would be sure it wasn't Darwin.
  128. @Carroll Price
    I can't find anything stating this quote is a fake or that Charles Darwin never said it. The closest thing I found in this regard s that the quote cannot definitely be attributed to Charles Darwin or any other single individual, which is also true for many other famous quotes. Meanwhile, it will always remain an indisputable fact that whoever wrote it, made numerous observations about the black race that are obviously as true today as they ever were.

    Seems to have been Thomas F. Dixon Jr in 1905. In any case anyone familiar with Darwin’s writing, not least his loathing of slavery, would be sure it wasn’t Darwin.

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    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    You read the same opinion comments concerning the quote that I read. All of which prove nothing. Thomas Dixon Jr. in his 1905 classic The Klansmen indeed used the quote (which is in quotes in the book) while failing to attribute it to Darwin for obvious reasons. With the most obvious being that since his book was written to appeal to a Fundamentalist Christian audience in both North and South, the last mistake this savvy, well-educated author would have made was including a quote made by a notorious atheist like Charles Darwin whom they hated and continue hating with a passion, born of unadulterated ignorance. It seems to me that if you knew and understood American history, you would have figured this out for yourself, and saved yourself from the embarrassment of having it explained to you by a mere novice.
  129. @Wizard of Oz
    Seems to have been Thomas F. Dixon Jr in 1905. In any case anyone familiar with Darwin's writing, not least his loathing of slavery, would be sure it wasn't Darwin.

    You read the same opinion comments concerning the quote that I read. All of which prove nothing. Thomas Dixon Jr. in his 1905 classic The Klansmen indeed used the quote (which is in quotes in the book) while failing to attribute it to Darwin for obvious reasons. With the most obvious being that since his book was written to appeal to a Fundamentalist Christian audience in both North and South, the last mistake this savvy, well-educated author would have made was including a quote made by a notorious atheist like Charles Darwin whom they hated and continue hating with a passion, born of unadulterated ignorance. It seems to me that if you knew and understood American history, you would have figured this out for yourself, and saved yourself from the embarrassment of having it explained to you by a mere novice.

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    Wrong again as usual and not looking clever. It was in Thomas Dixon's "The Clansman - a Hlstorical Romance of the Ku Klux Klan" which is a *novel*!!

    So Dixon was just making up the words for his character "the doctor".

    Furthermore "if YOU knew and understood American history" and your fellow countryman you might have understood that it was exactly to Christian funddmentalists and any other Creationists that Dixon might have pitched it. For most it would be a blow against Evolution. For some it might be a case of even the devil recognising that the curse of Ham was on the black man.

    Of course it probably wasn't Dixon that pretended it was a quote from Darwin unless by a nudge and a wink.

  130. @Carroll Price
    You read the same opinion comments concerning the quote that I read. All of which prove nothing. Thomas Dixon Jr. in his 1905 classic The Klansmen indeed used the quote (which is in quotes in the book) while failing to attribute it to Darwin for obvious reasons. With the most obvious being that since his book was written to appeal to a Fundamentalist Christian audience in both North and South, the last mistake this savvy, well-educated author would have made was including a quote made by a notorious atheist like Charles Darwin whom they hated and continue hating with a passion, born of unadulterated ignorance. It seems to me that if you knew and understood American history, you would have figured this out for yourself, and saved yourself from the embarrassment of having it explained to you by a mere novice.

    Wrong again as usual and not looking clever. It was in Thomas Dixon’s “The Clansman – a Hlstorical Romance of the Ku Klux Klan” which is a *novel*!!

    So Dixon was just making up the words for his character “the doctor”.

    Furthermore “if YOU knew and understood American history” and your fellow countryman you might have understood that it was exactly to Christian funddmentalists and any other Creationists that Dixon might have pitched it. For most it would be a blow against Evolution. For some it might be a case of even the devil recognising that the curse of Ham was on the black man.

    Of course it probably wasn’t Dixon that pretended it was a quote from Darwin unless by a nudge and a wink.

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    Since I own a copy of the "novel), The Clansman, as well as two or three other Thomas Dixon books purchased at an antique shop in Ohio many years ago, I'm well aware it and the others like it are novels. Which like all historical novels are based on real-life knowledge and experiences that accurately portray life in the South under Yankee/Jewish/Carpetbagger rule. As to the prior quote not being made by Charles Darwin, no one except you and a few other intellectual misfits, seem to know for sure. In the meantime, the Anne Frank Diary was, long ago, proven to be a fake, penned by a starving, money-hungry Jewish father who used a ball-point pen which did not exist at the time the diary was purportedly written in the mid 1940s by his daughter, who appears to have died, after the war, from natural causes, as did practically all other holohoax victims.
  131. @Wizard of Oz
    Wrong again as usual and not looking clever. It was in Thomas Dixon's "The Clansman - a Hlstorical Romance of the Ku Klux Klan" which is a *novel*!!

    So Dixon was just making up the words for his character "the doctor".

    Furthermore "if YOU knew and understood American history" and your fellow countryman you might have understood that it was exactly to Christian funddmentalists and any other Creationists that Dixon might have pitched it. For most it would be a blow against Evolution. For some it might be a case of even the devil recognising that the curse of Ham was on the black man.

    Of course it probably wasn't Dixon that pretended it was a quote from Darwin unless by a nudge and a wink.

    Since I own a copy of the “novel), The Clansman, as well as two or three other Thomas Dixon books purchased at an antique shop in Ohio many years ago, I’m well aware it and the others like it are novels. Which like all historical novels are based on real-life knowledge and experiences that accurately portray life in the South under Yankee/Jewish/Carpetbagger rule. As to the prior quote not being made by Charles Darwin, no one except you and a few other intellectual misfits, seem to know for sure. In the meantime, the Anne Frank Diary was, long ago, proven to be a fake, penned by a starving, money-hungry Jewish father who used a ball-point pen which did not exist at the time the diary was purportedly written in the mid 1940s by his daughter, who appears to have died, after the war, from natural causes, as did practically all other holohoax victims.

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    Despite the total irrelevance of your reference to the Anne Frank Diaries to anything but your mental pathology it prompted me to Google for Anne Frank diary and them that plus "father".

    Nothing supported your description of the documents usually presemted as a diary as a "fake". It does appear that her father transcribed quite a few pages and may well have added a section of his own composition as well as editing out some private family stuff. But it seems that he never put it all forward as her diary written by her but, originally, as more like a novel (of which there are plenty in diary form).

    My reason for bothering to follow up however is that the Wikipedia entry on Otto Frank is worth reading. The most devastating fact is that he was an artillery officer in the German army in WW1 but still sent to Auschwicz. Perhaps his veteran status helped him survive when his wife and daughters didn't. Can anyone doubt that a régime that would treat a Jewish veteran like that was racist enough to seek to exterminate Jews and other Untermenshen?
  132. @Carroll Price
    Since I own a copy of the "novel), The Clansman, as well as two or three other Thomas Dixon books purchased at an antique shop in Ohio many years ago, I'm well aware it and the others like it are novels. Which like all historical novels are based on real-life knowledge and experiences that accurately portray life in the South under Yankee/Jewish/Carpetbagger rule. As to the prior quote not being made by Charles Darwin, no one except you and a few other intellectual misfits, seem to know for sure. In the meantime, the Anne Frank Diary was, long ago, proven to be a fake, penned by a starving, money-hungry Jewish father who used a ball-point pen which did not exist at the time the diary was purportedly written in the mid 1940s by his daughter, who appears to have died, after the war, from natural causes, as did practically all other holohoax victims.

    Despite the total irrelevance of your reference to the Anne Frank Diaries to anything but your mental pathology it prompted me to Google for Anne Frank diary and them that plus “father”.

    Nothing supported your description of the documents usually presemted as a diary as a “fake”. It does appear that her father transcribed quite a few pages and may well have added a section of his own composition as well as editing out some private family stuff. But it seems that he never put it all forward as her diary written by her but, originally, as more like a novel (of which there are plenty in diary form).

    My reason for bothering to follow up however is that the Wikipedia entry on Otto Frank is worth reading. The most devastating fact is that he was an artillery officer in the German army in WW1 but still sent to Auschwicz. Perhaps his veteran status helped him survive when his wife and daughters didn’t. Can anyone doubt that a régime that would treat a Jewish veteran like that was racist enough to seek to exterminate Jews and other Untermenshen?

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    My reason for bothering to follow up however is that the Wikipedia entry on Otto Frank is worth reading.
     
    Thanks for mentioning this. The section about Frank's wife is poignant - the stuff of melodrama, but all too real, in this instance.

    Edith and her daughters were separated from Otto upon arrival and they never saw him again. On 30 October another selection separated Edith from Anne and Margot. Edith was selected for the gas chambers, and her daughters were transported to Bergen-Belsen. Edith escaped with a friend to another section of the camp, where she remained through the winter. While here she hid each scrap of food she would get and saved it for her daughters. Because of her refusal to eat any of the food she was saving for her daughters she died from starvation on January 6, 1945, three weeks before the Red Army liberated the camp and ten days before her forty-fifth birthday. Her daughters outlived her by one month.[2]
     
  133. @Wizard of Oz
    Despite the total irrelevance of your reference to the Anne Frank Diaries to anything but your mental pathology it prompted me to Google for Anne Frank diary and them that plus "father".

    Nothing supported your description of the documents usually presemted as a diary as a "fake". It does appear that her father transcribed quite a few pages and may well have added a section of his own composition as well as editing out some private family stuff. But it seems that he never put it all forward as her diary written by her but, originally, as more like a novel (of which there are plenty in diary form).

    My reason for bothering to follow up however is that the Wikipedia entry on Otto Frank is worth reading. The most devastating fact is that he was an artillery officer in the German army in WW1 but still sent to Auschwicz. Perhaps his veteran status helped him survive when his wife and daughters didn't. Can anyone doubt that a régime that would treat a Jewish veteran like that was racist enough to seek to exterminate Jews and other Untermenshen?

    My reason for bothering to follow up however is that the Wikipedia entry on Otto Frank is worth reading.

    Thanks for mentioning this. The section about Frank’s wife is poignant – the stuff of melodrama, but all too real, in this instance.

    Edith and her daughters were separated from Otto upon arrival and they never saw him again. On 30 October another selection separated Edith from Anne and Margot. Edith was selected for the gas chambers, and her daughters were transported to Bergen-Belsen. Edith escaped with a friend to another section of the camp, where she remained through the winter. While here she hid each scrap of food she would get and saved it for her daughters. Because of her refusal to eat any of the food she was saving for her daughters she died from starvation on January 6, 1945, three weeks before the Red Army liberated the camp and ten days before her forty-fifth birthday. Her daughters outlived her by one month.[2]

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    the stuff of melodrama, but all too real, in this instance.
     
    Edith and her daughters were separated from Otto upon arrival and they never saw him again. On 30 October another selection separated Edith from Anne and Margot. Edith was selected for the gas chambers, and her daughters were transported to Bergen-Belsen. Edith escaped with a friend to another section of the camp,
     
    Exactly what is real about this scenario?

    It doesn't even make sense as a melodrama:
    The efficient and brutal Germans, who had contrived an industrial system to kill every Jews they could get their hands on, "selected" Edith for the gas chamber.

    How do we know that? Is her name entered on a list? Where is that list?
    How does the efficient system of "selection" function: Are selectees set apart somewhere? Surely they are under guard in that place, yes? Who guarded them? Have the Nazi hunters tracked down that guard like they tracked down and prosecuted Demjanjuk? Or did the Germans punish the guard who allowed Edith and her friend to escape "to another section of the camp?" Did no one in that "other section of the camp" notice that two women "selected for the gas chamber" were not where they were supposed to be?

    These are off-the-top-of-my-head questions, in which only about 3 minutes of thinking effort has been invested. The questions involve one statement and five people. Nothing about the wikipedia-sourced scenario involving these five people seems capable of withstanding a reality check, nor, apparently, is the tale able to be supported by evidence.

    What happens to the six million dogma when the reality check that reveals the dubious nature of the Frank scenario involving only five people is multiplied by one million two-hundred thousand?

    The furious flurry of holocaust literature proves the point that even mediocre lawyers counsel their clients: Tell the Truth! It takes too much effort to remember the lies, and to continually cover them up.

    So thanks, Johann Ricks, for creating just that much reasonable doubt of the veracity of the Frank story that the entire holocaust dogma is suspect.
    , @Carroll Price
    Oh yea! Good ole melodrama, to feed the stupid who want and need it. "They're" good at it, aren't they?
  134. @Johann Ricke

    My reason for bothering to follow up however is that the Wikipedia entry on Otto Frank is worth reading.
     
    Thanks for mentioning this. The section about Frank's wife is poignant - the stuff of melodrama, but all too real, in this instance.

    Edith and her daughters were separated from Otto upon arrival and they never saw him again. On 30 October another selection separated Edith from Anne and Margot. Edith was selected for the gas chambers, and her daughters were transported to Bergen-Belsen. Edith escaped with a friend to another section of the camp, where she remained through the winter. While here she hid each scrap of food she would get and saved it for her daughters. Because of her refusal to eat any of the food she was saving for her daughters she died from starvation on January 6, 1945, three weeks before the Red Army liberated the camp and ten days before her forty-fifth birthday. Her daughters outlived her by one month.[2]
     

    the stuff of melodrama, but all too real, in this instance.

    Edith and her daughters were separated from Otto upon arrival and they never saw him again. On 30 October another selection separated Edith from Anne and Margot. Edith was selected for the gas chambers, and her daughters were transported to Bergen-Belsen. Edith escaped with a friend to another section of the camp,

    Exactly what is real about this scenario?

    It doesn’t even make sense as a melodrama:
    The efficient and brutal Germans, who had contrived an industrial system to kill every Jews they could get their hands on, “selected” Edith for the gas chamber.

    How do we know that? Is her name entered on a list? Where is that list?
    How does the efficient system of “selection” function: Are selectees set apart somewhere? Surely they are under guard in that place, yes? Who guarded them? Have the Nazi hunters tracked down that guard like they tracked down and prosecuted Demjanjuk? Or did the Germans punish the guard who allowed Edith and her friend to escape “to another section of the camp?” Did no one in that “other section of the camp” notice that two women “selected for the gas chamber” were not where they were supposed to be?

    These are off-the-top-of-my-head questions, in which only about 3 minutes of thinking effort has been invested. The questions involve one statement and five people. Nothing about the wikipedia-sourced scenario involving these five people seems capable of withstanding a reality check, nor, apparently, is the tale able to be supported by evidence.

    What happens to the six million dogma when the reality check that reveals the dubious nature of the Frank scenario involving only five people is multiplied by one million two-hundred thousand?

    The furious flurry of holocaust literature proves the point that even mediocre lawyers counsel their clients: Tell the Truth! It takes too much effort to remember the lies, and to continually cover them up.

    So thanks, Johann Ricks, for creating just that much reasonable doubt of the veracity of the Frank story that the entire holocaust dogma is suspect.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    He was I thought making something of the poignancy of the believable if not necessarily true story that the girls' mother starved herself in the hope of saving them and only your own denialist prejudices could find thst Jonathan Ricke (not Ricks) was effectively casting doubt on the Holocaust.

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.

    , @Johann Ricke

    The efficient and brutal Germans, who had contrived an industrial system to kill every Jews they could get their hands on, “selected” Edith for the gas chamber.

    How do we know that? Is her name entered on a list? Where is that list?
     
    They did not document every single detail because they recognized that it was an abomination. Even neo-Nazis think it's a shameful act that discredits their cause, and they're not even the perpetrators. If you were Hitler, would you document in great detail the steps you took to engineer the deliberate extermination of millions of unarmed civilians and POW's in the areas under your rule by soldiers on your orders?

    And Hitler was right - the world would have recoiled in horror if it had known. It continues to recoil in horror, which is why neo-Nazism continues to be a fringe movement, even though many in the movement claim to oppose mass killings. The predictable (and continuing) infamy of these acts is why the Nazis carefully documented everything on their watch except the genocidal campaign. That lack of documentation is probably precisely why it ran less smoothly than everything else in the Nazi administration. Records aren't kept just to keep bureaucrats busy - they are kept so that functionaries at various levels of the bureaucracy can be audited. That auditability is what keeps bureaucrats honest. The bureaucracy broke down in the death camps because there wasn't very much of it. Secrecy was more important than efficiency.
  135. @SolontoCroesus


    the stuff of melodrama, but all too real, in this instance.
     
    Edith and her daughters were separated from Otto upon arrival and they never saw him again. On 30 October another selection separated Edith from Anne and Margot. Edith was selected for the gas chambers, and her daughters were transported to Bergen-Belsen. Edith escaped with a friend to another section of the camp,
     
    Exactly what is real about this scenario?

    It doesn't even make sense as a melodrama:
    The efficient and brutal Germans, who had contrived an industrial system to kill every Jews they could get their hands on, "selected" Edith for the gas chamber.

    How do we know that? Is her name entered on a list? Where is that list?
    How does the efficient system of "selection" function: Are selectees set apart somewhere? Surely they are under guard in that place, yes? Who guarded them? Have the Nazi hunters tracked down that guard like they tracked down and prosecuted Demjanjuk? Or did the Germans punish the guard who allowed Edith and her friend to escape "to another section of the camp?" Did no one in that "other section of the camp" notice that two women "selected for the gas chamber" were not where they were supposed to be?

    These are off-the-top-of-my-head questions, in which only about 3 minutes of thinking effort has been invested. The questions involve one statement and five people. Nothing about the wikipedia-sourced scenario involving these five people seems capable of withstanding a reality check, nor, apparently, is the tale able to be supported by evidence.

    What happens to the six million dogma when the reality check that reveals the dubious nature of the Frank scenario involving only five people is multiplied by one million two-hundred thousand?

    The furious flurry of holocaust literature proves the point that even mediocre lawyers counsel their clients: Tell the Truth! It takes too much effort to remember the lies, and to continually cover them up.

    So thanks, Johann Ricks, for creating just that much reasonable doubt of the veracity of the Frank story that the entire holocaust dogma is suspect.

    He was I thought making something of the poignancy of the believable if not necessarily true story that the girls’ mother starved herself in the hope of saving them and only your own denialist prejudices could find thst Jonathan Ricke (not Ricks) was effectively casting doubt on the Holocaust.

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Dear Wizard,

    How do you deal with the bit about having been "selected for the gas chamber?"

    You focus on the (melodrama) of a mother having saved food for her daughters, thus starving herself to death (so the story is told, but again, there seems to be no evidence).

    Ask a few questions of that scenario:

    Germar Rudolf made an obvious point in this interview --

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R95Jt35WCk

    Auschwitz was a labor camp; the Germans needed -- desperately -- workers; it was in their interest to keep them healthy so that they could work and produce war materiel.

    As late as June 1944 Jewish leaders in Israel agreed with Rudolf's logic: they believed Auschwitz to be a labor camp.

    Rudolf points out that there was a hospital at Auschwitz. The Germans -- and the corporate entities who ran factories at Auschwitz needed healthy workers to maintain production. Why would Germans go to the trouble of running a hospital at a "killing center."

    If all these are true, why was food so scarce for Mrs. Frank?
    Perhaps because the Allies were bombing railways to Auschwitz (as well as civilian infrastructure such as plants and warehouses of medical supplies as well as foodstuffs) because they, too, knew that Auschwitz was a labor camp to produce war materiel?


    So either way, WizoOz, the "melodrama" concocted by the Franks to perpetuate their dramatic franchise works against the lie that Auschwitz was an extermination camp, and the tale that "Edith was selected for the gas chambers" is bogus. If that's bogus, what other lies are embroidered onto the holocaust narrative and the Frank franchise?
    , @Johann Ricke

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.
     
    It's not that complicated. Among mothers who possess any kind of maternal instinct, that instinct is magnified in extremis, especially in a death camp, where all are merely counting down the days to their eventual demise. She must have saved her rations in the expectation that her daughters would be hungry, perhaps starving, the next time they met, presumably in the same or some other Nazi camp.
    , @Carroll Price

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.
     
    More pertinent questions arise; "If they were in "death camps", why was food being provided to them by their executioners?" "Why not simply leave the condemned prisoners to starve?" "Why were they being shuttled from death camp to death camp, always in a more westerly direction away from advancing Bolshevik forces?"
  136. @Wizard of Oz
    He was I thought making something of the poignancy of the believable if not necessarily true story that the girls' mother starved herself in the hope of saving them and only your own denialist prejudices could find thst Jonathan Ricke (not Ricks) was effectively casting doubt on the Holocaust.

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.

    Dear Wizard,

    How do you deal with the bit about having been “selected for the gas chamber?”

    You focus on the (melodrama) of a mother having saved food for her daughters, thus starving herself to death (so the story is told, but again, there seems to be no evidence).

    Ask a few questions of that scenario:

    Germar Rudolf made an obvious point in this interview –

    Auschwitz was a labor camp; the Germans needed — desperately — workers; it was in their interest to keep them healthy so that they could work and produce war materiel.

    As late as June 1944 Jewish leaders in Israel agreed with Rudolf’s logic: they believed Auschwitz to be a labor camp.

    Rudolf points out that there was a hospital at Auschwitz. The Germans — and the corporate entities who ran factories at Auschwitz needed healthy workers to maintain production. Why would Germans go to the trouble of running a hospital at a “killing center.”

    If all these are true, why was food so scarce for Mrs. Frank?
    Perhaps because the Allies were bombing railways to Auschwitz (as well as civilian infrastructure such as plants and warehouses of medical supplies as well as foodstuffs) because they, too, knew that Auschwitz was a labor camp to produce war materiel?

    So either way, WizoOz, the “melodrama” concocted by the Franks to perpetuate their dramatic franchise works against the lie that Auschwitz was an extermination camp, and the tale that “Edith was selected for the gas chambers” is bogus. If that’s bogus, what other lies are embroidered onto the holocaust narrative and the Frank franchise?

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  137. The Germans behaved very irrationally in respect of their treatment of Jews in the light of their objective requirements for fighting the allies but it does seem strange that Edith should not have been classified as a worker being quite young. Escaping to another part of the camp seems odd too though it seems possible that some guards towards the end of the war may have seen a number of different ways to look after their own interests. And she might have shacked up with an officer….

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus

    she might have shacked up with an officer….
     
    She "shacked up with an officer" but died of starvation 60 days later??
    Hardly worth lifting the skirt in those cold winter months of 1944.

    If she shacked up it is not unlikely she (unwisely) chose a kapo.


    btw, WizoOz, thanks for validating part of my argument: when lies are told, further lies and fantastical hypotheticals must be spun to explain the first lies, then further lies to support the second lies, und so weiter.
  138. @Wizard of Oz
    The Germans behaved very irrationally in respect of their treatment of Jews in the light of their objective requirements for fighting the allies but it does seem strange that Edith should not have been classified as a worker being quite young. Escaping to another part of the camp seems odd too though it seems possible that some guards towards the end of the war may have seen a number of different ways to look after their own interests. And she might have shacked up with an officer....

    she might have shacked up with an officer….

    She “shacked up with an officer” but died of starvation 60 days later??
    Hardly worth lifting the skirt in those cold winter months of 1944.

    If she shacked up it is not unlikely she (unwisely) chose a kapo.

    btw, WizoOz, thanks for validating part of my argument: when lies are told, further lies and fantastical hypotheticals must be spun to explain the first lies, then further lies to support the second lies, und so weiter.

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    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    She “shacked up with an officer” but died of starvation 60 days later??
    Hardly worth lifting the skirt in those cold winter months of 1944.
     
    People who are in great danger live a day at a time. Because a period of months was the principle difference between concentration camp survivors and those who did not make it out. In the Pacific Theater, it was also the difference between the GI's who died on Okinawa and those who lived to experience V-J Day.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    It appears from your post that you have uncovered Wiz's special expertise. Well done!
  139. @Wizard of Oz
    He was I thought making something of the poignancy of the believable if not necessarily true story that the girls' mother starved herself in the hope of saving them and only your own denialist prejudices could find thst Jonathan Ricke (not Ricks) was effectively casting doubt on the Holocaust.

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.

    It’s not that complicated. Among mothers who possess any kind of maternal instinct, that instinct is magnified in extremis, especially in a death camp, where all are merely counting down the days to their eventual demise. She must have saved her rations in the expectation that her daughters would be hungry, perhaps starving, the next time they met, presumably in the same or some other Nazi camp.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    all emotion, no reason, no evidence, no facts.

    REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT: Auschwitz was NOT a death camp.

    It was a labor camp.
    Germans needed the labor because the allies were bombing the hell out of the German civilian labor force.

    The US Air Force knew that Auschwitz was a labor camp: they flew over, took photos, carried out strategic bombing of manufacturing sites.

    Jewish leadership in Tel Aviv knew Auschwitz was a labor camp, or so they said in a memo in mid-1944. That is why Jewish leaders did NOT request that Allies bomb Auschwitz.

    last year some stupid 90-yr old Jewish woman went on NPR to lie about how "Dr Mengele stood by my hospital bed at Auschwitz and said I would die in 4 days."

    this may be hard for somebody with your intellectual-emotional impairment to comprehend, but
    the fact that the old bimbo was alive in 2016 broadly suggests that Mengele was wrong, or Mengele never said any such thing and she's making up crap; or if Mengele was at her bedside, and he was correct in that she was very sick, then we also learn that Germans took care of sick children at Auschwitz to the point that they recovered from illnesses that were expected to kill them.

    please explain why Germans would save a Jewish child from a near-death illness, in a hospital at Auschwitz, if the plan was to kill every Jew. try to engage your brain not your limbic system in doing so.

    god you people make me sick with your stupidity and your hate that you are so thoroughly brainwashed with that you can't -- or refuse to -- acknowledge some basic facts.

    jews have got to be among the most hatefully brainwashed people on the planet.
  140. @SolontoCroesus


    the stuff of melodrama, but all too real, in this instance.
     
    Edith and her daughters were separated from Otto upon arrival and they never saw him again. On 30 October another selection separated Edith from Anne and Margot. Edith was selected for the gas chambers, and her daughters were transported to Bergen-Belsen. Edith escaped with a friend to another section of the camp,
     
    Exactly what is real about this scenario?

    It doesn't even make sense as a melodrama:
    The efficient and brutal Germans, who had contrived an industrial system to kill every Jews they could get their hands on, "selected" Edith for the gas chamber.

    How do we know that? Is her name entered on a list? Where is that list?
    How does the efficient system of "selection" function: Are selectees set apart somewhere? Surely they are under guard in that place, yes? Who guarded them? Have the Nazi hunters tracked down that guard like they tracked down and prosecuted Demjanjuk? Or did the Germans punish the guard who allowed Edith and her friend to escape "to another section of the camp?" Did no one in that "other section of the camp" notice that two women "selected for the gas chamber" were not where they were supposed to be?

    These are off-the-top-of-my-head questions, in which only about 3 minutes of thinking effort has been invested. The questions involve one statement and five people. Nothing about the wikipedia-sourced scenario involving these five people seems capable of withstanding a reality check, nor, apparently, is the tale able to be supported by evidence.

    What happens to the six million dogma when the reality check that reveals the dubious nature of the Frank scenario involving only five people is multiplied by one million two-hundred thousand?

    The furious flurry of holocaust literature proves the point that even mediocre lawyers counsel their clients: Tell the Truth! It takes too much effort to remember the lies, and to continually cover them up.

    So thanks, Johann Ricks, for creating just that much reasonable doubt of the veracity of the Frank story that the entire holocaust dogma is suspect.

    The efficient and brutal Germans, who had contrived an industrial system to kill every Jews they could get their hands on, “selected” Edith for the gas chamber.

    How do we know that? Is her name entered on a list? Where is that list?

    They did not document every single detail because they recognized that it was an abomination. Even neo-Nazis think it’s a shameful act that discredits their cause, and they’re not even the perpetrators. If you were Hitler, would you document in great detail the steps you took to engineer the deliberate extermination of millions of unarmed civilians and POW’s in the areas under your rule by soldiers on your orders?

    And Hitler was right – the world would have recoiled in horror if it had known. It continues to recoil in horror, which is why neo-Nazism continues to be a fringe movement, even though many in the movement claim to oppose mass killings. The predictable (and continuing) infamy of these acts is why the Nazis carefully documented everything on their watch except the genocidal campaign. That lack of documentation is probably precisely why it ran less smoothly than everything else in the Nazi administration. Records aren’t kept just to keep bureaucrats busy – they are kept so that functionaries at various levels of the bureaucracy can be audited. That auditability is what keeps bureaucrats honest. The bureaucracy broke down in the death camps because there wasn’t very much of it. Secrecy was more important than efficiency.

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    blah-blah-vlah-blah-blah.

    Devoid of fact, veeeerrrrry long on brainwashed propaganda.

    You know about the notorious photos at the camps, I assume.
    The formed the strongest so-called evidence for the German "genocidal project."

    Parts of them were faked -- the shrunken heads and lampshades made of human skin were faked. They were lies.

    What do the photos really tell us?
    Do they tell how those people died? A US doctor autopsied hundreds of bodies. He found typhus and malnourishment -- the result of Allied bombing of civilian infrastructure. he did not find gassing.
    Do they tell who killed those people? Why? How?

    NO THEY DO NOT!


    The Allies used those photos to convict people at Nuremberg. They were fake, they were lies.

    Allies also used photos and reports of "3000 dead people at Nordhausen" that were killed "by Nazis or their brutal guards." But the US Airforce killed those people at Nordhausen.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vs1eR7hsT8

    It's easy to fake pictures.

    And photos are powerful, far more powerful than the hard work of critically assessing evidence, something that has obviously eluded your intellectual capacity.

    But think about this for a second:
    American occupation forces "sequestered" over 16,000 items of Nazi German art, propaganda, film, monuments, books. The removed all these things from Germany and stashed them in New York. The Americans called the stuff "poisonous."

    Think
    Think
    Think

    If Nazis were as evil as Americans claimed they were, why did they fake photos, and propagate photos of atrocities that the Allies committed -- then blame it on Nazis, but they hid away actual evidence of what Nazis told the German people, and the art and movies they made.

    Wouldn't the actual words and images that Nazis produced be the most credible, and the most damning?

    The fact that Americans were so thorough and quick to remove all that material suggests that it did not tell the story that the Americans needed it to tell.

    The "poisonous" Nazi propaganda art was not evil enough to serve American purposes, so the Americans had to fake it.

    you have sucked it up like a giant Slurpee.

    but by all means, continue with your mynah bird act; you never know when a circus might come to town and they'll need a freak to man a sideshow. you might make a few bucks, think of that: you could sit there all day and regurgitate the atrocity propaganda that has been used to demonize Germans for the last hundred years.
  141. @SolontoCroesus

    she might have shacked up with an officer….
     
    She "shacked up with an officer" but died of starvation 60 days later??
    Hardly worth lifting the skirt in those cold winter months of 1944.

    If she shacked up it is not unlikely she (unwisely) chose a kapo.


    btw, WizoOz, thanks for validating part of my argument: when lies are told, further lies and fantastical hypotheticals must be spun to explain the first lies, then further lies to support the second lies, und so weiter.

    She “shacked up with an officer” but died of starvation 60 days later??
    Hardly worth lifting the skirt in those cold winter months of 1944.

    People who are in great danger live a day at a time. Because a period of months was the principle difference between concentration camp survivors and those who did not make it out. In the Pacific Theater, it was also the difference between the GI’s who died on Okinawa and those who lived to experience V-J Day.

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  142. @Johann Ricke

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.
     
    It's not that complicated. Among mothers who possess any kind of maternal instinct, that instinct is magnified in extremis, especially in a death camp, where all are merely counting down the days to their eventual demise. She must have saved her rations in the expectation that her daughters would be hungry, perhaps starving, the next time they met, presumably in the same or some other Nazi camp.

    all emotion, no reason, no evidence, no facts.

    REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT: Auschwitz was NOT a death camp.

    It was a labor camp.
    Germans needed the labor because the allies were bombing the hell out of the German civilian labor force.

    The US Air Force knew that Auschwitz was a labor camp: they flew over, took photos, carried out strategic bombing of manufacturing sites.

    Jewish leadership in Tel Aviv knew Auschwitz was a labor camp, or so they said in a memo in mid-1944. That is why Jewish leaders did NOT request that Allies bomb Auschwitz.

    last year some stupid 90-yr old Jewish woman went on NPR to lie about how “Dr Mengele stood by my hospital bed at Auschwitz and said I would die in 4 days.”

    this may be hard for somebody with your intellectual-emotional impairment to comprehend, but
    the fact that the old bimbo was alive in 2016 broadly suggests that Mengele was wrong, or Mengele never said any such thing and she’s making up crap; or if Mengele was at her bedside, and he was correct in that she was very sick, then we also learn that Germans took care of sick children at Auschwitz to the point that they recovered from illnesses that were expected to kill them.

    please explain why Germans would save a Jewish child from a near-death illness, in a hospital at Auschwitz, if the plan was to kill every Jew. try to engage your brain not your limbic system in doing so.

    god you people make me sick with your stupidity and your hate that you are so thoroughly brainwashed with that you can’t — or refuse to — acknowledge some basic facts.

    jews have got to be among the most hatefully brainwashed people on the planet.

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    "jews have got to be among the most hatefully brainwashed people on the planet"

    Yes, Moses was quite an "artful", PR guy and writer. Of course as an Egyptian prince (bastard child of the Pharaoh) he had the entire Library of Alexandria to rip-off of, and his followers have stayed true to the course.

  143. @Johann Ricke

    The efficient and brutal Germans, who had contrived an industrial system to kill every Jews they could get their hands on, “selected” Edith for the gas chamber.

    How do we know that? Is her name entered on a list? Where is that list?
     
    They did not document every single detail because they recognized that it was an abomination. Even neo-Nazis think it's a shameful act that discredits their cause, and they're not even the perpetrators. If you were Hitler, would you document in great detail the steps you took to engineer the deliberate extermination of millions of unarmed civilians and POW's in the areas under your rule by soldiers on your orders?

    And Hitler was right - the world would have recoiled in horror if it had known. It continues to recoil in horror, which is why neo-Nazism continues to be a fringe movement, even though many in the movement claim to oppose mass killings. The predictable (and continuing) infamy of these acts is why the Nazis carefully documented everything on their watch except the genocidal campaign. That lack of documentation is probably precisely why it ran less smoothly than everything else in the Nazi administration. Records aren't kept just to keep bureaucrats busy - they are kept so that functionaries at various levels of the bureaucracy can be audited. That auditability is what keeps bureaucrats honest. The bureaucracy broke down in the death camps because there wasn't very much of it. Secrecy was more important than efficiency.

    blah-blah-vlah-blah-blah.

    Devoid of fact, veeeerrrrry long on brainwashed propaganda.

    You know about the notorious photos at the camps, I assume.
    The formed the strongest so-called evidence for the German “genocidal project.”

    Parts of them were faked — the shrunken heads and lampshades made of human skin were faked. They were lies.

    What do the photos really tell us?
    Do they tell how those people died? A US doctor autopsied hundreds of bodies. He found typhus and malnourishment — the result of Allied bombing of civilian infrastructure. he did not find gassing.
    Do they tell who killed those people? Why? How?

    NO THEY DO NOT!

    The Allies used those photos to convict people at Nuremberg. They were fake, they were lies.

    Allies also used photos and reports of “3000 dead people at Nordhausen” that were killed “by Nazis or their brutal guards.” But the US Airforce killed those people at Nordhausen.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vs1eR7hsT8

    It’s easy to fake pictures.

    And photos are powerful, far more powerful than the hard work of critically assessing evidence, something that has obviously eluded your intellectual capacity.

    But think about this for a second:
    American occupation forces “sequestered” over 16,000 items of Nazi German art, propaganda, film, monuments, books. The removed all these things from Germany and stashed them in New York. The Americans called the stuff “poisonous.”

    Think
    Think
    Think

    If Nazis were as evil as Americans claimed they were, why did they fake photos, and propagate photos of atrocities that the Allies committed — then blame it on Nazis, but they hid away actual evidence of what Nazis told the German people, and the art and movies they made.

    Wouldn’t the actual words and images that Nazis produced be the most credible, and the most damning?

    The fact that Americans were so thorough and quick to remove all that material suggests that it did not tell the story that the Americans needed it to tell.

    The “poisonous” Nazi propaganda art was not evil enough to serve American purposes, so the Americans had to fake it.

    you have sucked it up like a giant Slurpee.

    but by all means, continue with your mynah bird act; you never know when a circus might come to town and they’ll need a freak to man a sideshow. you might make a few bucks, think of that: you could sit there all day and regurgitate the atrocity propaganda that has been used to demonize Germans for the last hundred years.

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  144. @SolontoCroesus

    she might have shacked up with an officer….
     
    She "shacked up with an officer" but died of starvation 60 days later??
    Hardly worth lifting the skirt in those cold winter months of 1944.

    If she shacked up it is not unlikely she (unwisely) chose a kapo.


    btw, WizoOz, thanks for validating part of my argument: when lies are told, further lies and fantastical hypotheticals must be spun to explain the first lies, then further lies to support the second lies, und so weiter.

    It appears from your post that you have uncovered Wiz’s special expertise. Well done!

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  145. @Johann Ricke

    My reason for bothering to follow up however is that the Wikipedia entry on Otto Frank is worth reading.
     
    Thanks for mentioning this. The section about Frank's wife is poignant - the stuff of melodrama, but all too real, in this instance.

    Edith and her daughters were separated from Otto upon arrival and they never saw him again. On 30 October another selection separated Edith from Anne and Margot. Edith was selected for the gas chambers, and her daughters were transported to Bergen-Belsen. Edith escaped with a friend to another section of the camp, where she remained through the winter. While here she hid each scrap of food she would get and saved it for her daughters. Because of her refusal to eat any of the food she was saving for her daughters she died from starvation on January 6, 1945, three weeks before the Red Army liberated the camp and ten days before her forty-fifth birthday. Her daughters outlived her by one month.[2]
     

    Oh yea! Good ole melodrama, to feed the stupid who want and need it. “They’re” good at it, aren’t they?

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  146. @Wizard of Oz
    He was I thought making something of the poignancy of the believable if not necessarily true story that the girls' mother starved herself in the hope of saving them and only your own denialist prejudices could find thst Jonathan Ricke (not Ricks) was effectively casting doubt on the Holocaust.

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.

    If you used your brain you might have wondered at the sense of saving food at Auschwicz for prisoners who had been sent to Bergen-Belsen, though of course their mother may not have known that.

    More pertinent questions arise; “If they were in “death camps”, why was food being provided to them by their executioners?” “Why not simply leave the condemned prisoners to starve?” “Why were they being shuttled from death camp to death camp, always in a more westerly direction away from advancing Bolshevik forces?”

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  147. @Khan Bodin
    Speaking of Africans, here is what Darwin had to say...

    "Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.

    His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”

    — Charles Darwin

    Be aware that quote was not Darwin, but actually a Klansman. Named Dutton IIRC.
    Still , it doesn’t matter who wrote it , it is correct.

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  148. @SolontoCroesus
    all emotion, no reason, no evidence, no facts.

    REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT: Auschwitz was NOT a death camp.

    It was a labor camp.
    Germans needed the labor because the allies were bombing the hell out of the German civilian labor force.

    The US Air Force knew that Auschwitz was a labor camp: they flew over, took photos, carried out strategic bombing of manufacturing sites.

    Jewish leadership in Tel Aviv knew Auschwitz was a labor camp, or so they said in a memo in mid-1944. That is why Jewish leaders did NOT request that Allies bomb Auschwitz.

    last year some stupid 90-yr old Jewish woman went on NPR to lie about how "Dr Mengele stood by my hospital bed at Auschwitz and said I would die in 4 days."

    this may be hard for somebody with your intellectual-emotional impairment to comprehend, but
    the fact that the old bimbo was alive in 2016 broadly suggests that Mengele was wrong, or Mengele never said any such thing and she's making up crap; or if Mengele was at her bedside, and he was correct in that she was very sick, then we also learn that Germans took care of sick children at Auschwitz to the point that they recovered from illnesses that were expected to kill them.

    please explain why Germans would save a Jewish child from a near-death illness, in a hospital at Auschwitz, if the plan was to kill every Jew. try to engage your brain not your limbic system in doing so.

    god you people make me sick with your stupidity and your hate that you are so thoroughly brainwashed with that you can't -- or refuse to -- acknowledge some basic facts.

    jews have got to be among the most hatefully brainwashed people on the planet.

    “jews have got to be among the most hatefully brainwashed people on the planet”

    Yes, Moses was quite an “artful”, PR guy and writer. Of course as an Egyptian prince (bastard child of the Pharaoh) he had the entire Library of Alexandria to rip-off of, and his followers have stayed true to the course.

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  149. @Carlton Meyer
    Allow me to interject humor. Watch this recent exchange where a CNN anchor attempts to diss a Trump spokesman who claims Hillary's team destroyed Blackberrys with a hammer.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwiMjLX_ABQ

    2017-01-03 22:42:43

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