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Bibi and Kraft

When I was in college back in the 1960s a Jewish friend and I got into a discussion after Israel’s overwhelming victory in the June 1967 “Six day war.” I observed that many of the Jewish students who were exulting over kicking the crap out of the Arabs were at the same time leaders of the anti-war movement on campus, which opposed the Vietnam War. Admittedly media coverage of Vietnam was already becoming negative and the press descriptions of what had gone on in the Middle East falsely represented a beleaguered Israeli David by sheer grit and valor defeating an overwhelming Arab Goliath, so it was possible to distinguish in practical terms between the two conflicts. One was defense and the other was American imperialism, or so it could be construed by those who chose to see it that way.

As I knew that I was soon to be drafted I tried to rationalize within my own mind Vietnam, convincing myself that it was a war to stop the spread of communism, which at the time appeared to represent an existential threat directed against the United States. But I was still bothered by folks who claimed to oppose Vietnam on principle cheering on another war apparently based on their own ethnic affinity. My friend responded to my concerns by acknowledging the emotional tug represented by Israel but adding that the United States would always be much more important to him. It didn’t really answer the question but it came from a friend and it was good enough.

Well, that was then and this is now. Since the 1960s what Norman Finkelstein has described as the “Holocaust industry” has burgeoned, much of it used as an excuse to exonerate Israeli bad behavior. The Israel Lobby has also grown enormously in support of only one objective, which is binding Israel to the United States in such a fashion as to make Americans the enablers and uncritical supporters of Tel Aviv’s foreign and security policies.

Many American Jews, to their credit, have become weary of the tie that binds to Israel as they recognize that it is bad for both parties involved and enables an endless occupation of Arab land that is both cruel and immoral while fostering internal developments in Israel that might reasonably be described as fascistic. Other Jews have, however, gone in another direction, making the immunizing of Israel from any and all criticism while demonizing her enemies their life’s goal. In that they have largely succeeded, with Benjamin Netanyahu an honored guest of the U.S. Congress, a wannabe presidential candidate incorrectly describing Israel as a “most cherished ally,” and two Jewish billionaires openly lining up to be principal supporters of the upcoming Republican and Democratic presidential candidates as measured by their support of Israel.

Indeed, many supporters of Israel do not seem at all ashamed of openly putting Israel ahead of the United States, which is where I have a problem because, apart from enabling the skewing of America’s foreign policy, it raises the issue of where one has basic loyalty. Loyalty to a nation might well be passé in this day and age but it can have significant consequences when groups that are powerful promote detrimental policies that impact on everyone.

All of which brings me to the Super Bowl. New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft is a passionate supporter of Israel and all its works, to include its increasingly right wing governments over the past decades. He has visited the country more than 50 times. When his team won the Lombardi trophy in 2005 he personally carried it to Israel and presented it to then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. To be sure Kraft appears to be a decent, well liked man who has funded institutes that foster better Christian-Jewish relations, but his bottom line always appears to be Israel.

Kraft’s recently deceased wife Myra once told the Jerusalem Post that if one of her sons wanted to join the Israeli Army “I would go with him. I always wanted to live here. As for joining the army, over Vietnam, I would have had an issue, because I didn’t believe in it. The same goes for the war in Iraq. I don’t know why we’re there. I would hate to have one of my sons fighting there. Iran’s the problem, not Iraq. But, as far as fighting for Israel is concerned, there is no problem.” For Myra Kraft even if one were serving to maintain an illegal occupation, Israel was always the “good war” while America’s wars were debatable. For what it’s worth, none of her four sons has ever been in anyone’s uniform. Nor has their father.

The Kraft family passion for the Israel Defense Forces extends to Robert’s recent writing of a personal letter to the family of Israeli-American soldier Max Steinberg. Steinberg was killed during Israel’s recent invasion of Gaza, in which 2,310 Palestinians, 500 of whom were children, died compared to 71 Israelis, 66 of whom were soldiers.

Kraft wrote “It is with a heavy heart that I write to you after having learned about your dear son and distinguished member of the Israel Defense Forces, Max. Although I didn’t have the privilege of knowing your son Max personally, I have taken the liberty of reaching out to you since I noticed him wearing a New England Patriots cap in one of the broadcasted photos. He represents the consummate patriot and I am forever grateful for the sacrifices he made to keep our beloved Israel safe. His dedication and loyalty to Israel have not gone unnoticed and I am sure he has left behind a legacy of which you and your family can be proud.”

Why is all this important? It is important because Robert Kraft is a rich, powerful and politically well-connected man. What he says and does and the example he sets matter. Insofar as I could determine he has never written a letter to a fallen American soldier from either Boston or Massachusetts. Like his wife, he perhaps unintentionally sees something special in service to Israel that he does not find in service to the United States. And as for those who might perversely argue as Myra Kraft did that America’s wars are suspect while Israel’s conflicts are righteous self-defense, one might well note that Washington’s disastrous invasion of Iraq was intertwined with Israeli interests while Tel Aviv’s urging yet another war against Iran serves no U.S. national interest at all. Arguing in favor of Israel’s use of its armed forces as somehow more ethical than that of the United States is ridiculous, particularly as Tel Aviv’s military is mostly engaged in supporting an illegal and brutal occupation of Palestinian territory.

The bottom line is that celebrating Israel’s apartheid regime and its wars is bad for both Israel and the United States and it behooves moderate leaders like Robert Kraft to recognize that fact and state it openly.

This type of blinkered Israel-centric thinking leads to other extraordinary behavior, far beyond anything done by Kraft. The controversial impending visit by Benjamin Netanyahu to address the U.S. Congress has brought the Lobby out in full force. Israeli former parliamentarian and journalist Yossi Sarid, who writes for Haaretz, notes how Republican Jewish organizations have “launched a campaign of intimidation against those lawmakers who have already announced the intent to skip the joint session.” He observes that “Netanyahu is determined to show the president once and for all who really rules in Washington, who is the landlord both here and there.” He cites Matthew Brooks, head of the Republican Jewish Coalition, who reportedly said “We will commit whatever resources we need to make sure that people are aware of the facts, that given the choice to stand with Israel and Prime Minister Netanyahu in opposition to a nuclear Iran, they chose partisan interests and to stand with President Obama.” Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization of America added “We will, of course, be publicly condemning any Democrats who don’t show up for the speech, unless they have a doctor’s note.”

Sarid concludes somewhat hyperbolically with an observation that no American newspaper would ever dare print: “In these very moments, the protocols are being rewritten. Rich Jews are writing them in their own handwriting. They, in their wealth, are confirming with their own signatures what anti-Semites used to slander them with in days gone by: We, the elders of Zion, pull the strings of Congress, and the congressmen are nothing but marionettes who do our will. If they don’t understand our words, they’ll understand our threats. And if in the past, we ran the show from behind the scenes, now we’re doing it openly, from center stage. And if you forget our donations, the wellspring will run dry.”

Benjamin Netanyahu has ignored demands that he alter the agenda of his visit to make it less confrontational. He recently said that he will be the “representative of the entire Jewish people” when he addresses Congress, an assertion that has made many American Jews very uncomfortable. He will also be speaking at the annual AIPAC summit and will attend a gala reception hosted by the Emergency Committee for Israel, headed by Bill Kristol. Kristol welcomes the visit of Netanyahu because “Obama left a few things out of SOTU. Bibi can help out by filling in some blanks–al Qaeda, radical Islam, Iran’s sponsorship of terror, etc.” In other words, Americans should be grateful for Netanyahu’s telling us how ignorant we all are.

And obsession with defending Israel also can lead to turning a blind eye to the celebration of the cruel deaths of Americans who do not share that infatuation. Debbie Schlussel, a popular talk radio host who describes herself as a “lifelong conservative Republican activist,” does not find the recent killing by ISIS of American aid worker Kayla Mueller a tragedy. Schlussel, who claims to be highly educated, describes Mueller as a “Jew hating, anti-Israel bitch,” and “an anti-Israel piece of crap who worked with HAMAS and helped Palestinians harass Israeli soldiers and block them from doing their job of keeping Islamic terrorists out of Israel.” Another advocate for Israel calls Mueller a “useful idiot” and “terrorist supporter.” That the rabid Schlussel is borderline mainstream in terms of her audience and access is astonishing and the comments on her website suggest, unfortunately, that she is not alone in her vitriolic hatred of anyone even vaguely perceived as being not friendly enough to Israel.

As Allan Brownfeld has argued very persuasively Judaism is a religion and the United States and Israel are both sovereign countries having different interests, which is something that Robert Kraft, Bill Kristol, Matthew Brooks, Debbie Schlussel and Mortimer Klein should just occasionally bear in mind. Ultimately, if you are being honest with yourself you can only be loyal to one country and if you are born, living and working in the United States that should be your default choice. If your religion, tribal solidarity or ethnic affinity makes you defer to the interests of Israel or indeed any other country, by all means move there.

Indeed, American citizens can have affection for as many countries as they choose but loyalty involves the responsibilities of citizenships and doing what is right for one’s own country which makes it quite a different issue. It is not a rhetorical conceit that the oath new American citizens take requires them to abjure any prior allegiances. No one is suggesting that American Jews should not be charitable to and express concern regarding the well-being of their co-religionists worldwide, but that charity and empathy should not extend to promoting the pernicious interests of a foreign government.

Our first President George Washington, whose birthday we celebrate this week, called such ties “passionate attachments” that create “the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists.”To my mind, it would not be possible to describe the lopsided special relationship between Israel and the United States, engineered by a powerful domestic lobby, any better than that.

 
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  1. Tell U.S. Congress not to attend Netanyahu’s speech

    Join us in raising our voices to protest Prime Minister Netanyahu’s planned speech to the U.S. Congress, not because it’s a partisan snub, nor because the date is close to the Israeli elections, but because Netanyahu is going to Washington to undermine the U.S. strategy of diplomacy with Iran.

    Instead of letting diplomacy work, Netanyahu wants the U.S. to impose harsher sanctions on Iran, all but ensuring that talks collapse and increasing the risk of war.

    http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=10843&tag=JVP20150127&track=JVP20150127

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  2. The problem is Saudi Arabia. http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/02/isis-isnt-the-problem-saudi-arabia-is.html

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  3. It’s pretty bald when the Israeli PM asserts that the true nationality and loyalty for every Jewish person in the world is by definition Israeli and to Israel. Like so many others now, this is a vice that once dared not speak its name, but now can’t resist bragging about it. It’s not even a competing loyalty in his understanding, but one of primacy of fealty to a foreign government and against one’s own. One might well understand the tactic’s temptation for an Israel that opposes U.S. policy and seeks to undermine it by trying to use all American Jewish people as its agents. However, it is doing no favor to American Jewish reputation to bolster and seemingly make credible the antisemitic accusations that Jews constitute an intrinsically disloyal Fifth Column in America. The answer to the question of whether this is good for the Jews, is a resounding no. The influence of unaccountable wealthy donorists who support undermining American independence by buying politicians in both countries is as bad, too, for Israel’s democracy as it is for America’s.

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  4. Sports Entertainment=Chickenhawk Jocks enthusiasts for sending Native Born White American Teenagers who couldn’t make Varsity Football to be canon fodder for the Hyper-Ethnic Jewish State of Israel.

    Exhibit A:Giants Head Coach Tom Caughlin “The Man’s Man”.said once:The young men of my generation went to fight in Vietnam so I could play football at Syracuse”. Tom Caughlin 2015 an enthusiast for sending Working Class Native Born White American Teenage Males from the American Heartland to the be physically obliterated for Greater Israel. Giants Head Coach Tom Caughlin Chickenhawk Jock!!!

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  5. 5′ 2″ 98 pound Army “STRONG” US Army Soldier Jessica Lynch(POW)……fighting for New Giants Head Coach Tom “A MAN”S MAN” Caughlin’s and his 6’6 300 pound son-in-law Chris Snee’s( recently retired NY GIANTS starting tackle) FREEDOM!!!!!

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  6. Phil

    google:NY Giants owner Steve Tisch….$33 million:Hollywood Heavyweights raise megabucks as Friends of the Israeli Defense Force…..

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  7. Israel’s PM is doing what he should be expected to do — advancing the power and prosperity of his country by whatever means he can. Instead of whinging about it, Americans should choose a leader who will do the same for them.

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  8. Think of American politicians as the Temple Prostitutes in the Synagogue of Satan (see Christian New Testament, Revelation of St. John, Chapter 3, Verse 9). Like Esther in the bed of Xerxes, each trying to be Bibi’s favorite future Queen. We can film the recurring spectacle of a Nut-and-yahoo visit to DC, LA or NYC and release as straight-to-DVD evangelical market videos entitled “One Night with Bibi, Volume 1, 2, 3, …”. And we can celebrate it each year by getting stupid drunk and parading around in farcical costumes like Purim.

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  9. The bottom line is that celebrating Israel’s apartheid regime and its wars is bad for both Israel the United States and it behooves moderate leaders like Robert Kraft to recognize that fact and state it openly

    I don’t know if this is entirely accurate assessment of Kraft as moderate or a sort of image Robert Kraft projects. I suppose it is entirely possible Kraft is not aware of the sort of ‘Christians’ Israel is liaised with, but it really seems unlikely he wouldn’t know this.

    For a good idea of the mentality of the ‘Christians’ who give Netanyahu unconditional support, one only need have a grasp of the literature that is wildly popular with that crowd:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind

    ^ This is NOT good news. As much as I appreciate the article’s rational point of view, my better nature cannot win out. We’re dealing with lunatics and if Robert Kraft, example given, is tolerating the ilk of Netanyahu & cronies, Jewish or Christian, he is not behaving in a rational manner. There is nothing rational in treating people with rabies as less than deserving of isolation.

    And of course, the satire:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2013/08/22/demons-anonymous/

    (it’s how I cope)

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  10. Quite right, Fake Name.

    1. Before he was reduced to the status of Lying Journalist (no laughter, please), Brian Williams interviewed Ronen Bergman in the immediate aftermath of the (likely, Mossad) assassination of Iranian nuclear scientist Mostafa Roshan.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982#46318982

    Bergman declared that “Israel has used assassination more than any other state or leader, even Stalin or Saddam . . . these assassinations have been used to change history … Assassination is not only legal it is moral when your nation is threatened existentially.”

    2. Recently, Benjamin Ginsberg was interviewed about his book, “The Worth of War.” Ginsberg declared that war is unavoidable and that violence –that is, war– and only war settles issues of “statehood, territoriality, and power.”

    Moreover, Ginsberg continued, “war forces leaders to think rationally; failing to think and act rationally will cause one to lose one’s state, and territory, and power.”

    Benjamin Netanyahu and those Israeli and American Jews and non-Jewish American zionists who support him pose an existential threat to the American commonweal.
    When he seeks to subvert American mores (as implied in comments before Congress Sept 12, 2002); and the authority of the leadership of the USA, Netanyhau poses a direct and imminent threat to our nation.

    It is essential, and rational, that military forces of the United States, whether under DoD or a militia of patriots, kill Netanyahu and all his supporters and acolytes, wherever they may be found.

    That’s what Bergman told us Israel does in protection of its interests.

    That’s what Ginsberg wrote that “rational” states and leaders do.

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  11. solon,

    Perhaps you’d be so kind as to explain how Israel constitutes an existential threat to the United States. Israel’s relationship to the United States seems to be, even when described by Israel’s enemies in the worst possible terms, merely parasitic.

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  12. I have to agree. The US and Israel have no significant common interests, and I would add that the “shared values” we often hear about seem to be increasingly illusory, too. Unless, that is, Americans are ready to support Netanyahu’s global holy war (See Netanyahu’s call for global holy war here: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/4706372), and Israeli religious fanatics’ plan to raze the Muslim holy places on the temple mount, there, for the first time in 2,000 years, to re-legitimize and reintroduce ritual animal/blood sacrifice to that they consider its rightful place at the center of religion and worship (see Philip Weiss’s report on Israeli fanatics plans for the temple mount and the reintroduction of ritual animal sacrifice in worship here: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/vision-replace-mosque).

    This, from MondoWeiss:
    “And when I asked a young [Jewish] American named Jeremy, What do you think this country [Israel] will look like in 100 years? he responded with a religious vision: I see millions of people streaming through these streets to get to the temple to make animal sacrifices. People of all former religions from all over the world, he said– because then the messiah would be here and the other religions would disappear.”

    What shared values?

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  13. We, the elders of Zion, pull the strings of Congress, and the congressmen are nothing but marionettes who do our will. If they don’t understand our words, they’ll understand our threats.

    Any congress person who accepts money from AIPAC or other agents of foreign governments to influence their vote in favor of that foreign government or against the best interests of American citizens should be immediately removed from office, and charged with treason–simple.

    We have allowed a government that is influenced by bribery and graft, controlled by special and powerful interests , much to the detriment of the American people, to rule long enough. Time for major changes.

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  14. The U.S. Congress doesn’t give a crap what you or any other ‘average’ American thinks. Our Congress is bought and paid for by rich Jews.

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  15. Fake name,

    Parasites can kill.
    Why would a rational state allow its vital essence to be sapped by a parasite?

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  16. “Any congress person who accepts money from AIPAC or other agents of foreign governments to influence their vote in favor of that foreign government or against the best interests of American citizens should be immediately removed from office, and charged with treason–simple.”
    I agree, but you are asking members of Congress to kill themselves…..not going to happen.

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  17. MONEY! CREED!

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  18. “Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is marveling at reports that the Obama Administration is limiting the amount of information on the Iran negotiations it shares with him, insisting that proves the deal must be a bad one.”

    http://news.antiwar.com/2015/02/16/report-netanyahu-ordered-leaks-to-sabotage-us-iran-talks/

    Fascinating how this moron’s way of reaching the truth is appreciated by US media or lawmaker or future presidential hopeful!
    Bad for who you stupid. It is not at all bad for US despite you or Huckabee ( Iran regime a ” snake” to be killed before it bites-Times of Israel Feb 15 th ,2015) saying something totally different

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  19. solon,

    Indeed parasites may kill, but usually do not. One would think that such a subtle and shrewdly self-interested lot as Israel under Netanyahu would ensure its own survival by cultivating a healthy host. Indeed, I’m constantly assured by commenters on this site that virtually every headline-worthy event is traceable to some plot and scheme they have wrought upon us. Surely such a masterful race (!) of global manipulators would not doom itself by killing its most productive servant.

    But my question was a sincere one. If indeed you believe Israel to be an existential threat to the USA, I’d be interested to know precisely how.

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  20. Does anyone know what hold Jews have on Rupert Murdoch? Fox News is loaded with Jewish talking heads….even Geraldo Rivera.

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  21. While it’s obviously true that many diaspora Jews have divided loyalties at best and are basically traitors at worst, I think a case can be made to distinguish America’s wars from Israel’s.

    America’s colonial wars bring no conceivable benefit to the United States aside from specific special interests like defense contractors. On some level their supporters attempt to justify the wars in an abstract strategic sense (I don’t agree with their logic), but there are no tangible benefits to ordinary people.

    The same is not true of Israel’s “illegal wars of occupation”. Israel actually settles its conquered land with its own people, and for that matter the Occupied West Bank is closer to Tel Aviv than San Diego is to Los Angeles or Philadelphia to New York.

    If the United States had openly conquered South Vietnam or Iraq and settled Americans there no doubt popular support for colonial American wars, even from Zionist Jews, would no doubt be higher.

    But instead we only wage war for abstract strategic principles, ideology, and the benefit of special interests.

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  22. Questioning Netanyahu will be unacceptable to media and to a large number of lawmakers . It will be almost a terrible violation of the unwritten laws written by ADL and AIPAC and ZOA. Someone will find antisemitism . Someone in the newly created department that watches worldwide antisemitism will express dismay and commiserate with ADL,AIPAC,and ZOA how to punish these naysayers .
    Not that long ago it was decided that questioning the Israeli intelligence on Iranian nuclear activity was an expression of antisemitism .

    Let him advance his country or himself from an office out of Israel and don’t allow him to scuttle any moves that are good for US . Lets keep US and Israel separate .

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  23. Here’s the pattern that is troublesome, Fake Name:

    – Joseph “ensured his own survival” in Egypt by “cultivating a healthy host.” Having gained the confidence of said Host, he ensured the survival of his brethren, who were likewise welcomed to the land of the Healthy Host. Joseph’s family was given the richest land to till; multiplied in number, and achieved wealth and prosperity.
    But as time went by — somewhere between 200 and 480 years — as Prof. Lawrence Schiffman intones in a lecture series on history of the Jews, “the pharaoh knew not Joseph; he knew not Joseph.”

    “Joseph” was no longer granted special privileges in Egypt (see earlier comment, elsewhere, re Rabbi Daniel Lapin’s comparison of socialism to “slavery in Egypt.”)

    For this affront — that of being treated just like everybody else and no more, no less, Jews caused the first-born of Egyptian children to be slaughtered; they caused Egypt’s leaders to be slaughtered; they stole Egypt’s treasure.

    — Hebrew scripture devotes several books or at least chapters to praise of Cyrus, king of the Persians, for his act of liberating Yehud and gathering up the treasure of the Persian people (i.e. tax dollars) to support Yehud financially and politically as they returned to Jerusalem to rebuild it.
    Mordechai and Esther — and 80% of Jews — declined to return to Jerusalem, that Zion for which their right arm pined, preferring instead the softer prosperity and advantages of Persian Babylon.

    But even so, Mordechai the spy and his accomplice Esther were not satisfied: they trumped up a letter (Benzion Netanyahu writes in “Origins of the Inquisition” that the incident was not real) claiming that “Haman was out to kill Jews”, whereupon Mordechai and Esther launched a pre-emptive strike/act of subversion and of mass murder. Haman, the Persian king’s foreign minister, his ten sons, and 75,000 Persian civilians (taxpayers) were slaughtered by Jews at Esther’s command. Esther replace the Persian queen and took over control of Persian treasure and power.

    – Jews lived in German territory from at least the 7th century. When Germany achieved unification in 1870, and showed itself a leader in taking advantage of industrial revolutionary ideas and the prosperity that accompanies it, Jews from backward Poland and Russia rushed to Germany to exploit the situation. Germans, giddy on their success, were easily seduced to participate in a housing bubble and other means of overspending financed by credit extended by Jewish financiers. Before very long, Jews owned major elements of German ports, industry and agriculture, and ordinary Germans were in debt and forced to migrate, leaving behind generations-long legacies.

    But it didn’t stop there.

    —- Germans were key supporters of the Jewish project to colonize Palestine. Arthur Ruppin, who, according to Etan Bloom, “produced Hebrew Culture in Palestine,” was born and educated in Germany. The zionist organization in Ruppin’s day was centered in Germany.
    But Chaim Weizmann made the bet that, in WWI, the British were more likely to support a full-scale Jewish settlement project in Palestine. The deal he made with the British in exchange for the Balfour Declaration meant that Germany would be vanquished.
    The deal that the large number of Jewish (and other) financiers who influenced Woodrow Wilson as well as Lloyd George (who had been Theodore Herzl’s lawyer) at Versailles turned Germany’s defeat into humiliation and economic devastation.

    It got worse.

    Prostrated; 800,000 of its citizens — women and children — starved to death. Can you imagine what it would be like to return home from a war to find your wife and children starved to death?

    It got worse.

    As Edwin Black writes in “The Transfer Agreement,” “zionists returned from Versailles with a dual victory: they acquired a homeland for Jews in Palestine, and the gained guarantees of minority rights in European states where Jews dwelt.” Russian and Polish Jews flocked to Germany, where they quickly overwhelmed the political, economic, academic, and media. Weimar was run by a wildly disproportionate cadre of Jews, and Weimar was a disaster. Ordinary Germans once again suffered starvation — the turnip winters — and saw their money become worthless and their cultural values debased.

    In the highest manner of Machiavelli, a strong man took power; Hitler and the NSDAP worked for five years to resolve the matter of the “parasitic” feeding on the otherwise “healthy host” of the German people, through non-violent means.

    Another lengthy comment, in progress, details how US was “goaded” into war with Germany. THIS comment attempts to demonstrate a pattern of Jewish actions in history, toward their “healthy hosts.”

    As we know — those who have penetrated the lie that is the holocaust narrative — Charles Lindbergh was correct: FDR & his pals; Churchill; and Jews were the key groups who sought to involve USA in an unnecessary war with Germany.

    With no small measure of Jewish “goading”, activism, and arm-twisting, Germany was devastated, its population decimated: far more Germans civilians died as a result of the acts of Allied forces that deliberately and brutally targeted German civilians, even infants in their cribs, than the phony and, frankly, repugnant claim of “6 million” Jews who died in non-existent “gas ovens” in Auschwitz or anyplace else. It didn’t happen. Stop lying. Stop teaching our children lies.

    In short, just as in Egypt and in Persia and Germany, Jews attached themselves to a “healthy host;” prospered on that host; then destroyed that host.

    Why should Americans think the same will not happen to them — if they are being “rational,” that is.

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  24. The State of Israel has been recognized as a sovereign nation by most members of the United Nations since 1948. Israel is brazenly described by many Zionist quislings in the U.S. Congress as “America’s cherished ally”. But the truth needs to be unmasked. Let’s look to history and see if they truly deserve such a title.

    Did the IDF (“Israeli Defense Forces”) fight along side the United States in these military battles?

    1. Korean War
    2. Vietnam War
    3. Invasion of Granada
    4. Invasion of Panama
    5. Persian Gulf War
    6. Bosnian War of 1993
    7. Kosovo War
    8. Afghanistan War
    9. Iraq War
    10. Libyan intervention
    11. Current war against ISIS/ISIL

    Many United States military personnel shed their blood in these historical and contemporary battles. Where was Israel in all these conflicts, you know, America’s ally, huh? Not one battalion, not one company, not one platoon, not one squad, not one soldier even as a token gesture of support from America’s highly claimed ally. Not one loss of life from the IDF army for our country. Nothing.

    The reality is the Israeli Defense Forces have NEVER fought alongside the U.S. armed forces in any military battle since they became a country in 1948. Not one drop of IDF blood has been shed for America.

    However the craven Zionists like their Irgun forefathers are great at slaughtering the defenseless and occupied people of Palestine, stealing their land, year after year, decade after decade. They are the greatest threat to peace in the Middle East and should not be supported but instead condemned by the American people.

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  25. solon,

    I totally get it that you believe hostility to Jews is justified based on your views about their history. But my original question was not about Jews in Egypt or Persia or even here in America. My question was how the modern state of Israel is an existential threat to the USA.

    If your answer is that they look out for themselves and to heck with the rest of us, how would that be any different from any other country? Mexico is certainly doing that right now, exporting massive poverty and some crime to America, and yet nobody is saying, “Those darn Mexicans are an existential threat to us!”

    The reason for my asking, as I alluded to before, is that there are some writers and many commenters here who perceive Jewish conspiracies behind — almost literally — every headline making event in the modern world. From there, not following a particularly clear line of reasoning, some of them move toward seeing Jews and Israel as a threat.

    I’m merely asking how, in what specific way, Israel’s behavior, as bad as you can possibly color it, is an existential threat to America. Frankly, I don’t see it. It’s starting to look like you don’t either. I’ll let you have the last word. Thanks for interacting with my posts.

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  26. FOX has goyishe hosts and an endless parade of Jewish pundits along with some prominent Christian Zionists. Its “Fair and Balanced” reporting consists of nonstop bashing of Obama for not being pro-Israel enough, endless Middle East warmongering, and complaints about immigration vis-a-vis the open border across which ISIS will surely soon swarm to behead everyone’s grandmother. Everything on FOX reduces to Israel and to stirring-up its viewers against Islam.

    Some speculate, of course– but Rupert Murdoch is not Jewish.

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  27. I pointed to a pattern of behavior, Fake Name.

    Most peoples have mythologies, all peoples have histories.
    Israel, more than most states on the planet. reach back to their mytho-history to define their present behavior and claims to legitimacy and, even more, entitlement.

    Jews celebrate to this very day the gory glory of the mytho-historical events I enumerated.
    Passover, the “celebration” of the slaughter of Egyptian children, and Purim, the celebration of Esther’s slaughter of innocent Persians, are two of the most important holidays of the Jewish people.
    Benjamin Netanyahu will be in Washington, DC to address the US Congress and/or AIPAC on Purim.

    More to the point, several years ago, at another AIPAC conference speech that coincidentally coincided with Purim, Netanyahu bookended his comments with Passover — “Jerusalem is the eternal capitol of the Jewish people!” and of Esther’s ‘triumph.’ “The Persians tried to kill us then, they want to kill Jews now; some things never change.” Sorry, I can’t be bothered to find a link. google/C Span is your friend.

    To the best of my knowledge Greek people do not celebrate the eating of Pelops, but Jewish children think of Esther as a model to be emulated. I have studied several dozen children’s books about Esther — the entire collection from a very large library system. Jewish children are taught that Esther’s acts were heroic. I think they are monstrous. People know that Grimm’s Fairy Tales are fairy tales, but Jewish children see in Esther and her acts of genocide and hate a model to emulate. I find that extremely dangerous. Almost as dangerous as teaching children that Germans set out to exterminate 6 million Jews.

    This sense of entitlement and to the right, even moral legitimacy, of killing on a mass scale is a threat to the entire world, not just the USA. But to the extent that Americans are seduced to validate this entitlement, as they surely are, then we Americans must consider that our children have been turned into homicidal maniacs. How can this not be viewed as anything but an existential threat: our very future, the character of our children and grandchildren is distorted and debased by the lies that are pounded into their heads by groups like ADL that demand that our children say their Credo to the doctrine of holocaust. This demand is backed up by threats of fine, imprisonment, loss of employment, the economic strangulation of entire nations. That is an existential threat or the largest order.

    Several years ago Peter Beinart hosted a discussion about ??? — don’t remember what. Do remember that a Jewish girl named Dana Karon, then a student at University of Maryland but raised and educated in Israel, stood up and said, her voice quavering: “We were lied to. … All through our schooling in Israel we were lied to. We were told there were no Palestinians living here when we came …” http://www.eurasiareview.com/06122011-beinart-says-israel-must-give-citizenship-to-palestinians-under-occupation-oped/

    Some weeks later, Jeremy ben Ami of J Street discussed a book of his. The last question from the audience was asked by the man who teaches ben Ami’s children. “What should we teach our children,” the teacher asked.
    “We must tell them the truth,” ben Ami responded, “otherwise they will be resentful when they find out the truth.” Then Jeremy swiftly diverted to pie-in-the sky abstractions.

    What Jews teach their children is primarily their problem. What is taught to American children and to the American people, is the problem of every American and even moreso of Jews. Because if the Palestine narrative is a lie and so obvious a lie, what else is a lie?

    American parents want their children to think critically. When a school district in California tasked middle school children to critically assess the holocaust, the Jewish establishment in the USA, which is an extension of Israel, came down on the district like a ton of rocks from the wailing wall. The assignment was rescinded.

    Why?

    Ambassador Richard Butler directed teams who searched for WMD in Iraq. At a conference in Feb. 2012, he said that if his team came to a door that was locked or barred, he instructed them to break it down: a barred door can only mean there is something to hide.

    Israel’s present-day crimes are air-brushed from main-stream news. Israeli institutions boast that they operate “by way of deception.” If your entire modus operandi is by deceit, then how can anything that is said or done by anyone associated with Israel be granted credibility? I don’t trust Israel, or anyone associated in any way with Israel. Why should anyone? How could any rational person give such trust?

    More and more people know that the holocaust, Israel’s trump card, is a lie. It serves Israel well. As more and more people discover the enormity of that lie, and the punishment and humiliation and devastation the people of Russia, Germany, Palestine, Iraq, Syria, Iran have and are suffering under cover of that lie, there will be no way to contain the resentment that will erupt.

    Benjamin Netanyahu trades on that lie.
    His father, whose approval Bibi craves but could never earn, not in the shadow of his “martyred” brother Yonathan, was secretary to Vladimir Jabotinsky as one of the more egregious aspects of that lie was being carried out — the Cartheginian destruction of Germany by the Allies’ deliberate attacks on German civilians (and Japanese civilians) in combination with barbarities by Stalinist forces whom FDR, Churchill, and most of all Jewish leaders knew without a doubt was a genocidal maniac — check out Stephen Klotnick’s “Stalin.”

    In July 1979 Benzion Netanyahu and Benjamin Netanyahu hosted a conference at the Yonathan Institute at which the blueprint for the Global War on Terror was unrolled.

    On Sept 11, 2001, Ehud Barak was magically at a microphone at BBC as three towers fell after being struck by two planes. Barak declared that this event marked the beginning of the Global War of Terror, which USA would lead.

    There is evidence aplenty that Mossad was complicit in the destruction of the Twin Towers.
    More Americans are and will continue to cogitate and come to believe that they have been lied to about 9/11.


    I’ve lost track of what’s already written, but this final thought:

    Israel is an existential threat to the USA as well as to the world because it is stuck in a psychopathic fugue. Avigail Abarbanel, an Israeli-born psychologist who now lives in Scotland, has observed Israeli behavior and concluded that Israelis hate and hate each other so much that only a “good war” can unify them. At the time of the 2009 slaughter of the people of Gaza, Israelis were detached from reality; psychotic; “orgasmic” for war on Iran. No particular reason, they just need war to burn off the hate that they learn from the very nature of their culture —

    and even of their built landscape, argues Israeli architect Eyal Weizman in Hollow Land: Israel’s Architecture of Occupation.
    Israel is a sick state that is designed to promote psychosis.
    It maintains an arsenal of nuclear weapons that it keeps secret from the world and from any attempt to hold it accountable.

    As Chas Freeman wrote several years ago, Israeli routinely flout international law in the belief that by systematically ignoring international law and modes of conduct those basic elements of civilization will be rendered meaningless — http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/ht/display/ContentDetails/i/29130/pid/897

    But rhetorical tricks can no longer conceal the protracted moral zero-sum game that is in progress there. A people without rights confronts a settler movement without scruples. A predatory state with cutting-edge military technology battles kids with stones and resistance fighters with belts of nails and explosives. Israel’s Cabinet openly directs the murder of Palestinian political leaders. There have been about 850 such extrajudicial executions over the past decade. Israel is vigorously engaged in the collective punishment and systematic ethnic cleansing of its captive Arab populations. It rails against terrorism while carrying out policies explicitly described as intended to terrorize the peoples of the territories it is attacking or into which it is illegally expanding. Meanwhile, the elected authorities in Palestine – indeed, most Palestinians – associate themselves suicide bombers and unguided missiles that indiscriminately murder Israeli civilians. Each side has suspended moral constraints in order to cause the other to suffer in the hope that it will capitulate to such coercion. To a distressing extent, moreover, each side has also been able to enlist unreasoning support for its cause and the indiscriminate condemnation of the other by powerful supporters abroad.

    As always in such mayhem, truth and the law have been the first to go missing. Israel regularly attributes to others the very things it itself is doing. It has become notorious for its refusal to accept objective scrutiny or criticism. It routinely rebuffs international investigators’ examination of allegations against it, even when mandated by the U.N. [United Nations] Security Council. Instead, it stages self-indulgent acts of self-investigation calculated to produce exculpatory propaganda. As a result, Israeli government spokesmen – who once were presumed to represent the intellectual integrity for which Jewish scholars have always been renowned – now have no credibility at all except among those committed to the Zionist cause. Meanwhile, regional and international respect for the rule of law, especially humanitarian law, has been greatly degraded. This is a special irony.

    Humanitarian law and the law of war are arguably the supreme moral artifacts of Atlantic civilization. Jewish lawyers made a disproportionate contribution to the crafting of both. The resulting legal principles were intended to deter the kinds of injuries and injustices that European Jews and other minorities had long suffered and to protect occupied populations from persecution by their occupiers. Both objectives are very relevant to contemporary Palestine. It is, however, hard to find any principle of due process, the several Geneva Conventions, or the Nuremberg trials that has not been systematically violated in the Holy Land. Examples of criminal conduct include mass murder, extra-judicial killing, torture, detention without charge, the denial of medical care, the annexation and colonization of occupied territory, the illegal expropriation of land, ethnic cleansing and the collective punishment of civilians, including the demolition of their homes, the systematic reduction of their infrastructure and the de-development and impoverishment of entire regions. These crimes have been linked to a concerted effort to rewrite international law to permit actions that it traditionally prohibited, in effect enshrining the principle that might makes right.

    As the former head of the Israeli Defense Forces’ (IDF) Legal Department has argued:

    “If you do something for long enough the world will accept it. The whole of international law is now based on the notion that an act that is forbidden today becomes permissible if executed by enough countries . . . . International law progresses through violations.”

    A colleague of his has extended this notion by pointing out that:

    “The more often Western states apply principles that originated in Israel to their own non-traditional conflicts in places like Afghanistan and Iraq, then the greater the chance these principles have of becoming a valuable part of international law.”

    These references to Iraq and Afghanistan underscore the extent to which the United States, once the principal champion of a rule-bound international order, has followed Israel in replacing legal principles with expediency as the central regulator of its interaction with foreign peoples.

    The very existence of the United States of America is posited on at least a gesture to the rule of law. When Gerald Ford took office after Nixon resigned, his first words to the American people were:

    Our Constitution works. We have a rule of law and not men.”

    Israel has eviscerated that principle, the soul of America.

    How is that not an existential threat?

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  28. Stop romanticizing the Nazis and Japs. Patriotic German elites knew that Adolf Shicklegruber was a flatulent weirdo F…..G retard. Tell me now…are you on board with Obamas’ war against the Orthodox Christian Russian People?

    I don’t lose any sleep about the double nuking of the Japs. Australian and New Zealand Women would have ended up servicing Tojo’s Men. Post-1965 Japs in the US demand that our people commit demographic suicide from their perch in the very wealthy parts of Westchester County…they are part of the Democratic Party coalition.

    Jews can only do what the retard Evangelical Christians let them get away with.

    The situation in the Ukraine can go to level 10 on any given day….if we dodge the nuclear bullet a second time…a lot of things are gonna change. Honestly, I think Southern Evangelical Christians should be thrown up against the wall and be given a very serious one last warning about their theological nonsense….

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  29. meh

    fake name was merely looking for data points to crank thru the zio spy mill. so i fed it some. hope he chokes.
    don’t worry your corroded l’il heart

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  30. Ok, but you have not answered my question.

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  31. I agree. That’s why I oppose the paleocon effort to make Russia into our cherished ally. At least the Israelis didn’t actively encourage and supply the enemy as the Russians did.

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  32. If evangelicals are retards are I don’t even want to know how stupid the Eastern Orthodox are. Heaven forbid those evangelicals, many of them unlike you obviously of founding stock, advance their interests.

    The mask slips like so many “paleos” this isnt about American interests but about supporting foreign powers and foreign ethnic and religious groups.

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  33. Not wanting to constantly provoke and pressure Russia is not the same as turning them into a cherished ally.

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  34. There is no mystery. Understand cause and effect.

    The cause is Jewish behavior ( http://abplefebvreforums.proboards.com/thread/3744/perpetrators-genocide and http://abplefebvreforums.proboards.com/thread/3727/israeli-terrorism )

    inspired by a genocidal Master Race creed ( http://abplefebvreforums.proboards.com/thread/3714/who-human )

    and, the the predictable effect is retribution and “antisemitism.”

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  35. Israel and America do share some common ties, just as we do with ethnically related European countries. A 2004 task force Rumsfeld set up to research the causes of extremism and terrorism in the Mideast, some of it aimed at America as we know, did find that our one-sided approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict enflamed opinion against us. But the other policy that was even more inflammatory to Arab public opinion was that it was perceived by most that the brutal dictatorships that oppress people in the Mideast are in power because America either supports them militarily and financially, without which their own people would overthrow them, or has even been instrumental in putting them in power. There is a perception, Rumsfeld’s committee found, that America’s words about freedom and democracy are hypocrisy – and that this is the prime reason for anti-Americanism.

    All our own Mideast policies mostly produce the threats to us from that region, but the Israeli factor, although significant, is not the major one. And the threats are hardly existential, except the threat of peace breaking out, for the military-industrial oligarchy’s profits, which depend on a high level of threat perception, real or not.

    http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/dsb/commun.pdf

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  36. Sleep well on your marshmallow pillow, FranMacadam.

    The guy with all the B s in his handle says not to “romanticize” Germany.

    It’s a comment said about George H W Bush and his romanticization of US activities against Germany that concern me.

    According to Jeff Engel, who works for one of the Bush schools or libraries and has examined the archives of Bush’s decision to wage war against Saddam in 1990-91, his decision had nothing to do with liberating Kuwait; it was not concerned with bringing democracy to Iraq; Bush did not care about democratizing the Kuwaiti monarchy or even resolving the charge that Kuwait was, indeed, stealing Iraqi oil. And the thing about the incubators? heh heh. Little fib there. That’s what making a better world is all about — lying & killing,lying to kill. Just like FDR did to get US to kill Germans.

    George H W Bush has been a pilot in WWII. He met, fell in love with, and married Barbara Bush while a fighter pilot in uniform. Be still my heart — the drama of walking down the aisle with a man in uniform. Makes the old ticker go flutter flutter.

    Anyway, Engel said Handsome George’s motivation for going to war against Iraq — which was, you know, the “imperial pivot,” that singular moment just after the Soviet Union had fallen and US was the sole superpower — to paraphrase Madeleine Albright, What’s the point of being the sole superpower if you don’t throw your weight around?

    So Georgeous George went to war in Iraq to do the same favor for that previously intact nation that the US did for the gradually-resettling-itself German nation: George wanted to make a better world. By destroying the one already in place, starving a million people (Mad Albright again), killing countless more women and children, destroying infrastructure, permanently — or for half-a-millenia, whichever comes first — ravaging fields thru use of depleted uranium, which has caused countless and horrible birth defects.

    That is what George H W Bush did to Iraq, and that is why he did it: because it worked so well in Germany (except, of course, for the six to eight million Germans who got dead, and the two million German women who got raped.

    Americans do not know what their country did to Germany in WWII. And so they repeat the death and destruction they visited on Germany for no well-articulated reason.
    They can’t explain why Hitler was a monster but they are assured beyond a scintilla of a brainwashed doubt that he was/is/has no redeeming human qualities. Never. No how.

    This morning a putative adult who was educated at US taxpayer expense in JAG school and worked as a Navy lawyer responded to a caller to C Span who said that “Muslims do better under dictators; they do not understand democracy, so we should just leave them alone to solve their own problems.”

    Heritage fellow and ex-Navy lawyer “Cully” Stimson responded in full flag-wave mode: “I believe that all people want freedom!!! [And we should kill them until they get it!!]

    Jeebus, Fran, what is it about Americans that permits them to operate in brain-dead mode? What is it about the elemental wrongness of killing people by the thousands that they do not understand? Did all of history somehow warp from 10 BC to 1948 AD and completely miss two millennia of the moral message of Jesus? Does it mean nothing anymore? Genuine, Jesusianism used to be the backbone of the USA. Now everybody is “Abrahamic” and genocide is good — after all, all states look out for their interests, right? Right?

    This is not romance, guy with all the B s; this is outrage.
    Why aren’t morons like Stimson swinging from lamp-posts instead of enjoying sinecures while beating war drums that sound the death knell for thousands of people who have done nothing — nothing whatsoever — to the people of the United States except defend their own territory, state, and power.

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  37. The time for such eloquent, highly reasoned and spot on pieces such as this is long, long passed and gone to the dust bin of history, so sorry to say.

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  38. “When CIA analysts persisted in raising their concerns about a post-Saddam Iraq, the Pentagon’s Under Secretary for Policy Doug Feith dismissed the concerns as “persnickety.”

    http://www.lobelog.com/america-and-the-middle-east-after-the-islamic-state/

    The paper according to CIA chief outlined several frightening possibilities—anarchy and the territorial breakup of Iraq
    regime-threatening instability in key Arab states
    deepening Islamic antipathy toward the United States that produced a surge of global terrorism against US interests”
    http://www.lobelog.com

    Be careful America.

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  39. “In his July 18, 2006, column[11] he stated: “The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now”. For this statement, Cohen was criticized in an essay released by the American Jewish Committee entitled ‘Progressive’ Jewish Thought and the New Anti-Semitism. He clarified his statements in the next week’s column,[12] saying, “Readers of my recent column on the Middle East can accuse me of many things, but not a lack of realism.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cohen_%28columnist%29

    Now the idea is to move more people out of Europe to Israel to be counted and taxed all to keep the dough rolling in and the politicians fat. Don’t let reality get in the way. He’s on a mission! We’re funding more mistakes and have the debt to prove it!

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  40. “Now the idea is to move more people out of Europe to Israel”

    Are you sure? Don’t laugh, but supposing the plan is to give up Israel and re-settle in US and EU. It feels as if that is what these countries are being prepared for. Israel can’t win in the middle-east. Supposing the plan is to exodus and blow Israel up under its iron dome so that if the dome of the rock can’t be Israel’s then it will be no-ones.

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  41. With the Iron Dome and F-35 bases they should be able to keep everybody safe. Have police snipers sit on top of military trucks in plain view to discourage rioters. We have a Lend Lease drone loan program too. “Additional inspections of F-35 engines have been ordered,” Orders are slow. Maybe Israel will order more of them. They’re full of Chinese chips from Boston and Boston is getting bombed by Mother Nature. We need a snow dome.

    We have magic helmets too!

    “Magic Helmet” for F-35 ready for delivery | Ars Technica

    arstechnica.com/…/magic-helmet-for-f-35-ready-for-deliver…
    Ars Technica
    Jul 24, 2014 – “Magic Helmet” for F-35 ready for delivery … But it almost didn’t make the cut because of software problems and side effects akin to those …

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  42. “Built by Rockwell Collins ESA Vision Systems International (a joint venture between Rockwell Collins and the Israeli defense company Elbit Systems), the HMDS goes way beyond previous augmented reality displays embedded in pilots’ helmets. In addition to providing the navigational and targeting information typically shown in a combat aircraft’s heads-up display, the HMDS also includes aspects of virtual reality, allowing a pilot to look through the plane. ”

    “Another problem was the helmet’s display of night vision video. The resolution in the original sensor used in the system had 20/70 acuity—meaning the device could see things at 20 feet that a normally sighted person could see at 70 feet in daylight. Most military night vision goggles have an acuity of 20/25. That meant the night-vision features of the helmet were nearly worthless in combat situations.” http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/magic-helmet-for-f-35-ready-for-delivery/
    Now works with Magic Dome at night. Ready. Fire. Aim system will require another $100 billion and more Chinese chipsets. Look out below! Cohen Reality still more dependable than Augmented Reality.

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  43. Existential threat is phrase coined to conceal the fact and hide the reality so that actual debate doesn’t take place. Israel uses it . No one else does. But it was born out of flagrant abuses of muscle power,diplomatic conspiracies,threat,and abuses of financial power when rest of the world was just coming out of colonization,dislocation,decay ,and powerlessness while Arsb countries were not even glued together internally by any common interests ,military strength, shared strategy. They didn’t even know much about the reality inside US or Soviet that was guiding the policies of these two countries .they had no military ( combined forces of 5 Arab countries numbered 30 to 50 thousands and not trained while Zionist forces numbered 100,000 and trained) . The existential threat back then was towards the Arab living in current Israel.
    Today Israel uses the fear of existential threat to channel Europe and US towards attacking Iran .
    But Israel is the country that need to be feared. Once wished that the Arab understood it in 1913 .

    “”Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow–it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Sampson in Gaza? With an H-bomb? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens?
    For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away–unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans–have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?”
    DavidPerlmutter Professor LSU

    http://articles.latimes.com/2002/apr/07/opinion/op-perlmutter

    “Last week, Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld visited Moscow. In 2003, he famously threatened Europe with nuclear destruction (the “Samson Option”), saying “Israel has the capability to take the world down with us, and that will happen before Israel goes under”. Now he has explained to Russians Israel’s new policy: While the US enters the period of its decline, Israel must diversify and hedge its bets by drawing close to Moscow, Beijing and Delhi, he wrote in Izvestia daily. Perhaps, but without going too far. A flirt – yes, switching sides – not yet.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/13/the-fateful-triangle/

    Israel can turn on US. It has the power and it can generate motive to do so. It can always stretch its interest to any length it wants . Facing obstacle to that hegemonic goal ,it may turn against anybody . America and Israel are already faing the conflicts of interest in ME .

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  44. American interests are not in supporting foreign powers who offer us nothing but endless wars to fight for them, bankruptcy and literally billions of enemies? This inspires resentment, particularly if one perceives what hand the same group has had in shaping domestic culture as well; one that, in a supreme irony, the Evangelicals despise. Maybe they’d see it if only they pasued from fellating Jews for just a moment.

    But maybe not, because Evangelicals are retards, and the Jews have profited handsomely from their idiocy, despite their protestations of “They’re anti-Semites and we’re just useful to their Christian apocalypse.” They’re so brainwashed by morbidly obsese moron blowhards like John Hagee and by their love for Rabbi Yehoshua that they’ve lost all respect for themselves and their own country. (Also see in a similar vein of shiny subversive eschatological resentful idiots: Mormons.) The WASPs of New England were founding stock and are, or might as well be, dead.

    And there’s a reason they were wary of letting Jews into their institutions. Our country–decadent, brown, broke and fighting imperial wars for a foreign nation to which we are in thrall until our collapse– is owned and operated by Jews top-to-bottom, and this was the outcome they feared instinctively when WASPs denied Jews entry, before they made the fatal mistake of being persuaded otherwise.

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  45. Blizzard:

    IOW, you are simply afraid to criticize racist Jewish supremacists (or are one of them) and allow a soft target that is regularly demonized by the media to take the heat. Your not fooling anyone.

    As if Evangelicals control the media, as if Evangelicals control ‘academia, as if Evangelicals control the US government, as if Evangelicals surpass the billions from Adelson & Sabin, as if Evangelicals have the influence of AIPAC, as if it’s the Evangelicals that force “hate speech” laws down our throat, as if it’s Evangelicals who mandate obedience to the absurd & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’.

    Your cliched received history about Nazis is simply uninformed an not sustainable when subjected to rigorous examination.

    Your talk is cheap, empty, signifying nothing.

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  46. I think its kind of obvious that wealthy Jewish Elites…..SPLC…ADL…AIPAC…are attempting to engineer brutal police state repression against Native Born White Christian American dissenters on post-1965 race-replacement immigration policy and the homo norming of US society…Now go tell this to John Hagee’s congregation. Go to a John Hagee Sunday Service and hold up the following protest sign outside:SPLC+ADL+AIPAC+ABE FOXMAN=HOMO NORMING OF AMERICA!!!!!…Make it a Billboard all over Alabama….Roll Tide Country!!!!!

    Why does the choice have to be between farting retard-weirdo Adolf Schicklegruber worship or Israel worship?…I submit that The Historic Native Born White American Christian population can do much better than either of these two options.

    I have 0 allegiance to the farting retard weirdo Adolf Shicklegruber and to the State of Israel…

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  48. Spend a few bucks, make copies of this and drop ‘em in the pews/bleachers at a Hagee freakshow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_lUu_RyFpI

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  49. Some speculate, of course– but Rupert Murdoch is not Jewish.

    Murdoch’s mother is Jewish – that makes him a Jew.

    Murdoch’s father got his newspaper start from her Jewish relatives.

    After Netanyahu, Murdoch is the worlds second leading fascist.

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  50. Murdoch’s mother is Jewish

    No she wasn’t. Murdoch’s just a regular old gentile scumbag. He’s probably Jew-wise enough to know how to get some of them – the Israel Firsters – on his side. They help protect him from the leftist ones who hate him.

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  51. This debate about Rupert’s mother being a Jewish or not is non sequitur. It doesn’t matter. This possibility doesn’t add or substract anything from the core racism that Zionisism represents. It is akin to equating Soviet and US policies of recognizing Israel to the ideologies of Herzl,Ben Guiron,Jabotinsky,or of Rabbi Silver. Buying the hitman is part of the game plan of any person who can’t assassinate his or her target for whatever obstacle he or she faces . Rupert has been in the court of the Zionism for reasons that he can describe best . He received Jerusalem Award. He has been courted assiduously by Israel. He received access to US media market and acquired Giuliani engineered monopoly in NewYork. He was the pivotal factor in ratcheting up support for war against Iraq. His media was instrumental in keeping the negative impression of Saddam for 10 yrs both in UK and US. He was close to Blair and was in regular touch with Blair regarding the war against Saddam. His media was active in India supporting BJP known for overt racism and fanaticism against Muslim and known for pro Israel attitude. He claimed that he did his best to make the war happen ( Aparently he said he didn’t succeed!!!)
    Bolton,Kirk,Menendez are the well known hitman . Last two have been recently purchased by AIPAC for targeting Iran. It doesn’t matter what religion they claim to belong to.

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  52. CNN poll reveals the fact that Americans don’t want to take sides but stay neutral or even handed in Israel Palestine conflicts. This is not something new. Given right wording and explanation,that has been the view in the past. But their representatives have always followed a different path .
    Zionism has succeeded by bribing and threatening
    . The bought and paid support have created an illusion of Americans supporting Israel irrespective of political ideas or irrespective of what Israel does ( this charecteristic consistency is then used to claim US and Israel are same in interests and values) .
    That argument then has been stretched to make claims that Zionism is non religious ,non partisan,non ethnic and anchored to western values .
    Its the corruption that explain the gentile’s support . It was lack of information ,religiosity and racism that might have explained the readiness to support Israel ( by the common folk) in the past . That barrier is shrinking and eroding .
    Corruption is now the only currency that Zionism can use to get the gentile lawmakers media personnel,officials ,ambitious college students and wannabe celebrity parrot the Zionistic lines and nurture the interests of the settler garrison state of Israel. It doesn’t make Zionism an American product .

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  53. I stand corrected – Thank you – Art

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  54. Knowing crime could never be stopped they decided to make a monopoly of it and trillions of dollars are missing. Iran is executing poets. China is jailing poets. Journalists are also on the state hit lists. Maybe make bit lists and use bitcoin or come up with something else because the economy is not thriving on debt. Thrive on chaos.

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  55. It is time to call the Israel-firsters what they are; traitors.

    Any country whose primary foreign policy goal is the subvention of the American political system is clearly an enemy.

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  56. http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/20/are-american-courts-and-universities-targeting-iran/

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  57. I feel happy reading this article and the comments. In 69 in Marine Corps, A Czech American Marine told me in many stories that Israel only cares about Israel. He was very precocious.
    Israel is a very selfish country. Why haven’t Americans figured out what Poke The Truth says- these IDFs never lifted a finger to help the USA- not in WW2, Korea, nowhere. I would like to ram these facts down the throats of all senators and congress people. But I have learned that discussion does not work. These elites will hopefully suffer some day from some major calamity that hits our country, the USA.
    A very devoted Special Forces soldier (also in his mid sixties) told me that he is waiting for some big event to shake our country because nothing ever changes, and these criminals that have the power and run the USA keep doing things to ruin the memories of our ancestors and make America into a third world cheesy run down country.
    If the USA ever wakes up to commonsense it should have the same attitude as someone here commented: (for me Netanyahu is a low level self serving psychopath) Netanyahu should be wasted somewhere. If that did happen, the ass kissers of the US Senate and Congress will be showing up in force to the funeral.

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  58. solontoCroesus

    Every single thing you said is exactly correct. You touched on one thing that should be reiterated.
    The Jews are a tribe of psychopaths. Maybe not all and probably not even the majority but a lot. Their religion is based on the Talmud that says all people other than Jews are not human, all their wealth belongs to the Jews and all of them should serve the Jews. This is classical psychopathic thinking. It doesn’t take a great deal of smarts to determine a people who have been kicked out of every country they’ve ever settled in and have a psychopathic religion are themselves psychopaths.

    Has there ever been any country or group of people who have had a long relationship with the Jews that did not end in tragedy for them? I can’t think of any. Even for the Jews themselves. Maybe there is some but I don’t know about them.

    The only sure fire method of dealing with psychopaths that psychologists have come up with to stop them tormenting you is to get them away from you and have no contact with them.

    Want to know what the Jews will do? Read “The Mask of Sanity” by Hervey M. Cleckley (on psychopaths). Here’s a link to an short excerpt that talks about one spath individual, Stanley, that seems to show a lot of these behaviors. Stanley is a very good short read on what to expect from the Jews.

    http://www.energyenhancement.org/Psychopath/psychopath-Hervey-Cleckley-the-mask-of-sanity-SECTION-TWO-THE-MATERIAL-Part-1-The-disorder-in-full-clinical-manifestations-19-Stanley.html

    Whole book.

    http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF

    Some will say the Jews aren’t a tribe of psychopaths but if you assume the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths you will never be surprised because their collective behavior is just like that of a psychopath.

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  59. Having read so much of his writing, I find it hard to conclude Giraldi hasn’t long had it in for the Jews. I assume he denies this. What follows immediately is his penultimate paragraph, modified only to universalize it, Jew and non-Jew, Israel and all other “affinities,” alike.

    “Indeed, American citizens can have affection for as many countries as they choose but loyalty involves the responsibilities of citizenships and doing what is right for one’s own country which makes it quite a different issue. It is not a rhetorical conceit that the oath new American citizens take requires them to abjure any prior allegiances. No one is suggesting that American[s] should not be charitable to and express concern regarding the well-being of [others] worldwide, but that charity and empathy should not extend to promoting the pernicious interests of a foreign government.”

    Now consider Giraldi’s examples of “Fifth-columnist,” traitorous behavior. Again, in fairness to Geraldi, who no doubt is labeled anti-Jewish and anti-Israel, I will remove his references to Jews and Israel:

    Fifth Columnist #1: A “friend” in the 1960s, who “acknowledg[ed] an emotional tug” to one side in a foreign war.

    Fifth Columnist #2: An owner of the New England Patriots who when his team won the Lombardi trophy in 2005 he personally carried it to a country with long-standing friendly relations with the US and presented it to its Prime Minister. The team owner also wrote a personal letter to the family of an American born soldier of the same country, who was killed during a recent war, after noticing him wearing a New England Patriots cap in one of the broadcasted photos.

    Fifth Columnist #3: Said team owner’s recently deceased wife who once told a foreign newspaper that if one of her sons wanted to join that country’s army “I would go with him. I always wanted to live here.”

    Fifth Columnist #4: A popular talk radio host who made distasteful and disparaging remarks about an American aid worker recently “killed” by foreign terrorists..

    My principal takeaway from this exercise is that we should all be thankful this man doesn’t have authority over his fellow Americans. I wish I thought otherwise, because I am a fan of Unz.com, but by his own words we see, as early young adulthood he already possessed an authoritarian mindset, and what can only be described as a sociopathic personality. Man, that “friend” is exceedingly lucky they weren’t both citizens of The German Democratic Republic.

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  60. “That debt is to Ukrainians like Oleksandr Muzychko, who became one of the brothers, even though he never converted to Islam. Muzyczko, along with other Ukrainian volunteers, joined Chechen fighters and took part in the first Chechen war against Russia. He commanded a branch of Ukrainian volunteers, called “Viking,” which fought under famed Chechen militant leader Shamil Basayev. Muzychko died last year in Ukraine under mysterious circumstances.” https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/26/midst-war-ukraine-becomes-gateway-europe-jihad/

    One doesn’t have to be a Muslim to fight dirty and stupid wars on behalf of some” stirred up” Muslims.

    Muslim also can die or kill for the stupid causes of mysterious cauldron of the Christians,Nazis,Antisemits,and the Zionists (http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/17/ukraine-war-spreads-across-russian-border/)

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  61. So long as the highest posts in American propaganda, er, media are held by the likes of David Brooks, Tom Friedman, Charles Krauthammer et al….not to mention the ownership of most major newspapers, magazines, websites, television and movie studios, book publishers etc etc etc… it doesn’t matter what the facts of the case are. Americans will believe what they’re told to believe and they will do what they’re told to do. One day they will reap the whirlwind.

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  62. Fox news is showcasing a few 5th columnists tonight scrambled together in an hurried way out of a deserted doghouse .These 5th columnists are telling their hosts that alquida was working with Iran and they had 1 million documents. to discuss it. The monkeys were quite conspicuous by the absence of the tails

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  63. Jewish people won’t let the white Americans choose leaders who serve white Americans. That was the point of the 1965 immigration act which the Jews pushed for and every effort since which has been to undermine the power of what used to be 90% of the population.

    They did this in all white countries.

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  64. Senator who spearheaded letter to Iran got $1 million from Kristol’s ‘Emergency C’tee for Israel’

    The U.S. media have been sadly incurious about the origins of yesterday’s unprecedented Open Letter of 47 Republicans to the Iranian leadership seeking to block the president’s likely deal with Iran. The press has portrayed the letter as the work of Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton, a 37-year-old freshman senator so new to the limelight that the New York Times got his name wrong on first impression. But as a Times commenter writes, “Does anyone really believe the ‘freshman senator from Arkansas’ wrote the letter? No.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/israel-fingerprints-republican

    PNAC mutates to ECI. ECI will mutate to something and find a new eager victim who will be ready to sell his or her mother .
    He or she can’t articulate or pen a letetr. These are psychopathic morons .But Kristol like his father and other incestous products of the clan will be there to dip in – words,money,and aura in the souls of these wandering sheeple .

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