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As an American it is difficult to imagine a more unseemly bit of political theater playing out than Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s appearance before his cabinet to claim that he had gotten every last dollar of military assistance out of the Obama Administration. Netanyahu argued that he had obtained all that was on the table, adding that his bad blood with President Barack Obama had not proven to be detrimental in the bilateral negotiations that had been ongoing for more than a year. The Prime Minister was on the defensive because some of his critics claimed that he might have gotten $100 million more per annum, admittedly chump change on top of the $38 billion over ten years that the Memorandum of Understand will provide Netanyahu from the U.S. Treasury.

The critics also argued that the “real money” obtained from Washington was less than it seemed because of inflation, but the gift of $38 billion to Israel was nevertheless a considerable increase over the roughly $3.3 billion per year that Israel is currently receiving. The protracted negotiations over the exact sum to be handed over were reportedly due to Netanyahu’s demanding much more money, possibly as much as $5 billion per year. The deal did come with a minor problem for the Israeli defense industries, which had become accustomed to skimming 26% off the top of the annual U.S. grant to build and market their own weapons. Someone in Washington finally figured out that the U.S. taxpayer was directly funding foreign competition for its own defense industries, costing thousands of American jobs. But not to worry, the Israeli companies are now setting up U.S. subsidiaries, so the gravy train will almost certainly continue to deliver.

Israel’s argument for more money, such as it was, was based on claims that Obama had weakened its security by coming to an agreement with Iran over that nation’s nuclear program. Israel objected that sharply limiting Tehran’s ability to develop a weapon was not in its own interest, an odd assertion but explicable in terms of Netanyahu’s real objective in dealing with the Mullah’s, which was to have the U.S. take the lead in bombing them into the stone age.

Missing in the discussions was any benefit obtained for the United States by giving Israel all that moolah. America’s largely invisible National Security Adviser Susan Rice spoke of an “unshakeable commitment to Israel’s security” and commented that the agreement was good for the United States because “our security is linked” though she characteristically did not explain exactly why that was so. She called the deal a “win-win,” creating jobs in America and making our “ally and partner” Israel more secure.

In reality, as Rice knows perfectly well, Israel is a strategic liability. Apart from the annual Danegeld paid to it, it also requires the expenditure of considerable American political capital to protect it in the U.N. It also cannot be used as a forward base for the U.S. military. During Desert Storm in 1991, it had to be bribed by Washington to stay out of the conflict against Saddam Hussein to keep America’s Arab allies on board. As Colin Powell’s former aide Colonel Larry Wilkerson has observed there is indeed an unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East that the U.S. relies on to extend the reach of its armed forces. It is called Kuwait, not Israel, while Bahrain hosts the American Sixth Fleet and the U.S. Air Force operates out of Qatar. They are all Arab countries.

Rice also did not mention another important issue. As money is fungible subsidizing Israel’s military frees up cash in the budget to build new settlements on the West Bank, which U.S. policy nominally opposes. Some critics have also noted that medical care and higher education in Israel are free, a benefit that Americans do not enjoy and which derives in part from the U.S. largesse.

And Israel’s reckless foreign policy has to be considered. There is a tendency for Israeli policy makers to actually use new weapons if only to try them out on live targets. The reality is that providing Israel with a ton of money to buy upgraded weapons will also give Netanyahu a lot of shiny new toys to use on his neighbors while also fueling an arms race in the region as other countries try to keep up to enable their own militaries to deter Israel. Iran has, for example, responded to the often repeated Israeli threats by improving its own air defenses with sophisticated Russian made integrated systems that can easily shoot down U.S. warplanes, while other missiles in its arsenal can defeat the defenses of American aircraft carrier groups.

Focusing on Israel’s $38 billion haul has also obscured how the country benefits in other ways. It has long been a development partner with the Pentagon and Department of Homeland Security to produce defense technologies that are important to Israel but relatively useless for Washington. This has most recently included Washington’s direct funding of Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense system, which Tel Aviv is actively marketing, and anti-tunneling technologies.

Israel also receives billions of dollars every year in the form of charitable contributions from American Jews and Christian Zionists. The money often goes to support foundations that in turn fund settlements on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem, developments that are illegal both under international and U.S. law. And then there are direct fund-raisers for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). A 2014 star studded Hollywood gala event raised $33 million tax exempt dollars for an organization known as the Friends of the Israel Defense Forces (FIDF). FIDF’s slogan is “Their job is to look after Israel. Ours is to look after them.” Similar fundraisers are held all over the United States and there is an annual parade in Manhattan.

As most observers of the odd United States relationship with the Middle East will no doubt agree, when it comes to Israel and the U.S. Treasury “too much” is not part of the vocabulary. Obama’s agreement with Israel stipulated that in return for the guaranteed money every year Israel would not go to Congress seeking more unless there is a war. As “war” was not defined and Israel is both frequently in conflict with its neighbors and also quite capable of cranking up an incident on demand, Netanyahu may have been smiling as he agreed to that stipulation. And knowing that Obama is a lame duck means that the door to the cash vault is closed but will be reopening in January. Given all of that, Netanyahu was apparently willing to back off even though he wanted more money, possibly expecting that the deal will be subject to renegotiation when Hillary invites him to the White House.

And it now appears that many Congressmen also agree that Israel’s leader and America’s best friend did not get what he deserves. Senator Lindsey Graham opined while the negotiations were still in progress that any agreement with Israel would be a base-line, meaning that congress could and should vote additional special appropriations. Currently a bill co-sponsored by Graham and Senators Kelly Ayotte, John McCain, Ted Cruz, Mark Kirk, Marco Rubio and Roy Blunt is moving through the Senate that will do just that. It will allow Congress to give Israel more cash and will lift the restrictions on how it is spent, permitting Netanyahu to continue to directly subsidize his own defense industry with U.S. taxpayer money. If Democratic Israel-firsters like Senators Chuck Schumer and Bob Menendez rally behind the bill it is quite likely to be passed.

The reality is that U.S. military assistance to Israel is actually all about the effectiveness of an extremely powerful domestic lobby. The tie that binds the two countries has nothing whatsoever to do with either nation’s security or interests but it has a great deal to do with tying Washington to Israel no matter what Israel does. Israel is a wealthy country with a per capita gross domestic product of $35,000 that is greater than that of Japan, South Korea or Italy. It could easily survive without that extra cash from Uncle Sam. It is the greatest military power in its region by every possible metric and it is also the only country possessing nuclear weapons to include both ballistic missiles and submarines to deliver the weapons on target. It is in no way threatened.

Massive amounts of aid to Israel constitute a particularly important element of the push to maintain a “special relationship” that seeks to make Israel appear to be an essential American ally, even though it is anything but. American politicians who call Israel the U.S.’s greatest friend and ally know they are lying as Israel is neither. Instead, Israel and its own parochial interests have been key elements in involving Washington in the spiral of violence that has gripped the Middle East since 2001, including the ill-fated invasion of Iraq.

Is it just business as usual in Washington, though admittedly with an extraordinarily large price tag? Perhaps. But an opinion poll reveals that 81% of Americans oppose giving Israel more money. Unfortunately our bifurcated democratic system means that no one will be able to effectively vote on the issue in November as both major parties are lined up squarely behind Israel even if many Democrats are beginning to wobble.

Groveling to Israel is in the American political DNA. Even progressive groups that claim to be supportive of Palestinian rights and opposed to growing fascism in Israel exhibit the usual ambivalence when it comes to issues that might actually have an impact. They go silent and become curiously absent from the debate. Go to the website of Jewish Voice for Peace and you will find no mention of the $38 billion. Code Pink and End the Occupation claim to oppose weapons sales to Israel but seem to have lost sight of the latest outrage. Strange that. Or perhaps not so strange. J Street, which claims to be pro-Israel and pro-peace, “warmly welcomes the conclusion of a Memorandum of Understanding between the United States and Israel that will ensure Israel’s security and its qualitative military advantage over any potential enemy for the next 10 years.”

The point is that giving Israel $38 billion over ten years is robbery pure and simple having nothing whatsoever to do with anyone’s security. It is stealing from the American taxpayer because certain politicians aided and abetted by the media and acting in deference to a powerful lobby would have it so. Israel is no ally, has never been an ally, and is being rewarded for doing nothing. The only Americans who benefit from the deal are defense contractors. If it were Goldman Sachs or General Motors doing the stealing there would at least be some outcry. But as it is, because it is Israel, the media and chattering class are silent.

 
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  1. As always, an excellent article that you won’t see in the MSM. I just wonder how long this corruption of the America political system for the benefit of a foreign power by a small but powerful and wealthy group can be sustained. Will there be a tipping point, like in the 1930′s Europe, when the public supported authoritarians? Trump certainly is not that person but I think a large part of the 81% that are against giving more money to the welfare queen would welcome someone who would challenge the corrupt system.

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    As always, an excellent article that you won’t see in the MSM
     
    Many of the callers to C Span's Washington Journal program praise it as the best in the business, far more "fair and balanced" than any other MSM outlet.

    This morning moderator Greta Brawner invited C Span listeners to opine on the debates.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?415504-2/washington-journal-viewer-reaction-first-presidential-debate
    Just before 9:00 am, (2 hours into the program) Charles from Jackson, Georgia, a Trump supporter, said

    "Hillary is just for business as usual; we need somebody in there who knows how to spend a dollar bill, okay? We wasted -- we're $20billion in debt! Nobody wants to address the problem. How can they continue to create bills and spend more money, and give away money to people like Iran, when we say we don't have money at home to do this and do that, is beyond comprehension! And that's your government as it stands which is very very democratic, they want everybody to have free ride. "

    At this point Brawner interrupted the caller, not to correct his obvious error of fact -- the USA is not "giving money to Iran," it is paying off a debt and/or returning to Iran funds that belong to Iran.
    Rather, Brawner asked a meaningless question about the caller's past voting record.

    CAMERA monitors the Washington Journal program and complains bitterly and names-and-shames moderators personally when Israel/Jews are, in CAMERA's jaundiced opinion, criticized and mods fail to correct offending callers.

    Charles's comments this morning contained an obvious error of fact in a situation which is of critical importance to the voting public.

    Why did C Span moderator Greta Brawner fail to inform the C Span audience that the USA is not giving US money to Iran, but that it is giving billions of dollars to Israel?

    The Unz forum, and Phil Giraldi's articles, are useful correctives to such MSM misinformation.
    Spread the word.
    Let Greta Brawner and C Span know that they are are derelict in their journalist duties to American voters

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  2. Mark Green says: • Website

    As for the Left’s silence about Washington’s uninterrupted gravy train to Israel, this is entirely consistent with their covert mission: to co-opt grass roots opposition to Apartheid Israel, and to keep Israel’s ‘special relationship’ with the US taxpayer uninterrupted, unquestioned, and intact.

    Groups like Code Pink and Jewish Voice for Peace are manufactured symbols of opposition. It’s a kosher charade.

    Their ostentatious presence is actually designed to maintain and solidify the Zionist state’s sacred and untouchable status, from NPR to Capitol Hill. But this is theater. Yiddish theater.

    Israel’s alliance with the American people has been declared “unshakable”–whether you like it or not. Sorry, genuine dissent will not be allowed.

    But why?

    Don’t ask. That line of thinking borders on being anti-Semitic.

    Ironically, the ‘special relationship’ also means that US support for Israel will forever be ‘unconditional’–whether it’s justified it or not.

    So prepare for more war. Israel is not yet done expanding.

    And Americans–whether they know it or not–are in a deeply committed relationship.

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  3. RobinG says:

    The National Theatre of Norway´s official apology for the cooperation with Habima (Israeli theater group).

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    • Replies: @frankie p
    It's a fake, but the story is interesting, as it seems that the Israelis are indignant because although the National Theater of Norway says that the video doesn't represent their policies, it stopped short of condemning the video, saying that it was freedom of speech.
    , @JayGoldenBeach
    Just FYI: That video is not as official as it appears . . .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBpy0Aqxao

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  4. Clyde says:

    The 2016 Federal Budget: Where the Money Really Goes
    Where did the more than $3.8 trillion apportioned in the federal budget for fiscal 2016 wind up? Wonder no more…
    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/13/the-2016-federal-budget-where-the-money-really-goe.aspx

    I am not going to lose sleep over Israel getting one thousandth of yearly Federal outlays, then having to spend at least 50-70% of this with US defense companies. We spend billions each year making sure the Sunni Muslim Arab oil producers can securely transport (sell-profit) their oil to markets in Europe and Asia. This security is provided via the United States Navy and our military in general.

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    • Replies: @Rehmat
    Nyeth moron. United States only imports 6% of its oil needs from the Middle East. The largest supplier of oil to the US is my country Canada followed by Mexico and Venezuela.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/08/21/the-real-troublemaker-in-the-middle-east/
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  5. Art says:

    Courage!

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  6. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Americans should be proud to see their hard-earned shekels shipped to support the terrorist, apartheid nightmare of Israel!

    We should be happy that our sons and daughters are coming home in ‘transfer tubes,’ killed while fighting in ME wars so Israel can remain dominant and steal, sorry, appropriate more of Syria!!

    We should rejoice that while our nation’s infrastructure falls apart, due to lack of money for maintenance, we’re told, that we have plenty of that money to give to Israel, who has world-class highways, airports and electrical grid!!!

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  7. Such US support of Israel was the primary motivation for 9/11 and the earlier attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 as well:

    9/11 Motive & Media Betrayal
    :

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    • Replies: @AmericaFirstNow
    Even Petraeus & CENTCOM warned Congress of Israel threat to US troops:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/07/general-petraeus-israel-emails
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  8. @AmericaFirstNow
    Such US support of Israel was the primary motivation for 9/11 and the earlier attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 as well:

    9/11 Motive & Media Betrayal
    :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ncn5Q16N4&list=PL3C32560738EF3C30&feature=plpp

    Even Petraeus & CENTCOM warned Congress of Israel threat to US troops:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/07/general-petraeus-israel-emails

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    • Replies: @AmericaFirstNow
    CIA's Mike Scheuer told Congress to Dump Israel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHl1JnQoIWQ
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  9. Mick says:

    Why is America spending it’s National Treasure on Israel, and allowing Israel to write our Foreign policy? It’s not in America’s interests to do so, nor the interest of America’s people who are being neglected to serve the Zionist Beast.

    America is mercenary army and money pit for Israel, furnishing them with the blood of our children to drink in their conquest of control and power over the whole world.

    But what should we expect from those who believe ‘The Whole World was Made Only for the Torah and the Jewish people. The rest of us are their subhuman slaves, according to Rabbi’s.

    Simeon Perez brags they have no problems, and are buying up other whole countries. Why must America give to Israel what our own rotting people and infra structure so urgently need? Our money to make things better.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Perhaps that what Leonard Cohen really meant: First we take Manhattan then we take Berlin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTC_fD598A


    https://www.google.com/search?q=leonard+cohen+with+sharon+israel&sa=X&biw=1573&bih=899&tbm=isch&imgil=VIowPCyYI_Bq3M%253A%253Be2Iz2PXkc7_P4M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.israellycool.com%25252F2014%25252F01%25252F13%25252Fwhen-leonard-cohen-met-ariel-sharon%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=VIowPCyYI_Bq3M%253A%252Ce2Iz2PXkc7_P4M%252C_&usg=__83vRX4-e65ZNG9r3HN0g6uFpQRo%3D&ved=0ahUKEwj7w_frpbDPAhWLcz4KHWWfCA8QyjcIJw&ei=T8rqV7vgB4vn-QHlvqJ4#imgrc=VIowPCyYI_Bq3M%3A
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  10. @AmericaFirstNow
    Even Petraeus & CENTCOM warned Congress of Israel threat to US troops:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/07/general-petraeus-israel-emails

    CIA’s Mike Scheuer told Congress to Dump Israel:

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    Pandering Congress listens to Israel 1st AIPAC instead (listen to what John Mearsheimer and Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson said in following youtube):

    The Israel Lobby:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98
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  11. Ron says:

    The murder of 34 American military on the USS Liberty, and the result? You get more money for your country then ever before. Trump is right the devastation is all around us, and you don’t get friends by buying them. Oor leadership (if you want to call it that) has never been so bad.

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    Every America 1st patriot needs to watch 'The Day Israel Attacked America' via the link at following URL:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2014/10/30/the-day-israel-attacked-america/
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  12. @Ron
    The murder of 34 American military on the USS Liberty, and the result? You get more money for your country then ever before. Trump is right the devastation is all around us, and you don't get friends by buying them. Oor leadership (if you want to call it that) has never been so bad.

    Every America 1st patriot needs to watch ‘The Day Israel Attacked America‘ via the link at following URL:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2014/10/30/the-day-israel-attacked-america/

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  13. It’s a $38 billion gift to US weapons manufacturers and their employees as well.

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    It’s a $38 billion gift to US weapons manufacturers and their employees as well.
     
    That argument makes no sense.

    If the USA seeks to "give a gift to US weapons manufacturers," why not cut out the middle man, rather than set off an arms race in the most volatile region of the world, and further weapon an already out-of-control militarized entity that habitually flaunts the rule of law?

    , @chris
    if that were true, why would Yahoo and his minions exert themselves for the benefit of those manufacturers?
    Are they going to also wrestle money out of congress for the benefit of the auto industry?
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  14. @AmericaFirstNow
    CIA's Mike Scheuer told Congress to Dump Israel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHl1JnQoIWQ

    Pandering Congress listens to Israel 1st AIPAC instead (listen to what John Mearsheimer and Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson said in following youtube):

    The Israel Lobby:

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    • Replies: @AmericaFirstNow
    Paul Findley: The High Cost of Subservience to Israel:

    http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/article0064805.html

    Hatred of Israel as San Bernardino terrorism motive as well:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/reported-politely-ignores/


    Scroll to George Washington's warning and Admiral Thomas Moorer's quote at bottom of http://astandforjustice.org if interested further!
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  15. frankie p says:
    @RobinG
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh8XajrrSVc
    The National Theatre of Norway´s official apology for the cooperation with Habima (Israeli theater group).

    It’s a fake, but the story is interesting, as it seems that the Israelis are indignant because although the National Theater of Norway says that the video doesn’t represent their policies, it stopped short of condemning the video, saying that it was freedom of speech.

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    Israel calls on Norwegian theater to remove fake BDS video:

    https://www.rt.com/news/360592-norwegian-theatre-israel-boycott/
    , @RobinG
    Thanks, Frankie.

    But you know, that's just as good - if not better. There should be more of this Counter-Propaganda (as in counter-terrorism, since the Israelis are constantly terrorizing us with their fake narratives and REAL THREATS, i.e. that they will destroy any public figure who exposes their lies).
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  16. @AmericaFirstNow
    Pandering Congress listens to Israel 1st AIPAC instead (listen to what John Mearsheimer and Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson said in following youtube):

    The Israel Lobby:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98

    Paul Findley: The High Cost of Subservience to Israel:

    http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/article0064805.html

    Hatred of Israel as San Bernardino terrorism motive as well:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/reported-politely-ignores/

    Scroll to George Washington’s warning and Admiral Thomas Moorer’s quote at bottom of http://astandforjustice.org if interested further!

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    • Replies: @AmericaFirstNow
    Lastly, see links at following URL for why Israel 1st US media won't convey truth to Americans:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2013/04/26/do-jews-dominate-in-american-media-and-so-what-if-we-do/
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  17. @AmericaFirstNow
    Paul Findley: The High Cost of Subservience to Israel:

    http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/article0064805.html

    Hatred of Israel as San Bernardino terrorism motive as well:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/reported-politely-ignores/


    Scroll to George Washington's warning and Admiral Thomas Moorer's quote at bottom of http://astandforjustice.org if interested further!

    Lastly, see links at following URL for why Israel 1st US media won’t convey truth to Americans:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2013/04/26/do-jews-dominate-in-american-media-and-so-what-if-we-do/

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  18. Sherman says:

    I applaud the Obama Administration for agreeing to this deal.

    Hopefully it will ensure Israel’s security for years to come.

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    I applaud the Obama Administration for agreeing to this deal.
     
    Come on, Sherm. Why not give credit where credit is due? You know the applause belongs to the efforts of The Lobby. They get the same results regardless of the particular administration, red or blue.
    , @Rehmat
    Stop gloating Sharon. Don't forget how Hizbullah fighters kicked your dirty butts in South Lebanon in 2000 - and later Gen. Ehud Barak's butts in 2006.

    In November 2010 – Dr. Franklin Lamb wrote that Israel doesn’t know how to defeat Hizbullah.

    “The skills that Hizbollah fighters used to force repeated errors by Israeli forces during the July 2006 war, and although not widely reported, during its 18 years of occupation of Lebanon (1982-2000). Errors, that the Israeli Winograd commission called “ the worst kind of mistakes and failures of the ground forces.” Among the examples still discussed in Dahiyeh, and presumably in Tel Aviv and Washington, include the Hizbollah forces routing of the Israeli “elite” Golani, Egoz and Magland Brigades at Maron al Ras on the Lebanese-Palestine border between July 25-30, 2006,” wrote Dr. Lamb.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/08/17/israel-is-afraid-of-hizbullah/
    , @Art
    Say Sherm - is the murder of Rachel Corry a national holiday in Israel yet? - Art

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX18zUp6WPY
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  19. @frankie p
    It's a fake, but the story is interesting, as it seems that the Israelis are indignant because although the National Theater of Norway says that the video doesn't represent their policies, it stopped short of condemning the video, saying that it was freedom of speech.

    Israel calls on Norwegian theater to remove fake BDS video:

    https://www.rt.com/news/360592-norwegian-theatre-israel-boycott/

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Attempt to download the Norwegian Youtube video resulted in a message, "no media recognized"

    Have our friendly Israeli free speech warriors already tinkered with the video?

    btw, it's a powerful video and an excellent model of effective public outcry and action.

    If the National Theater of Norway did not produce it, and take that position, it should have.
    "If the people lead, the leaders will follow."
    , @AmericaFirstNow
    Saw following one at that RT.com URL about the Norwegian theater:


    Trump vows to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital after meeting with Netanyahu
    :

    https://www.rt.com/usa/360591-trump-netanyahu-jerusalem-israel-capital/
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  20. geokat62 says:
    @Sherman
    I applaud the Obama Administration for agreeing to this deal.

    Hopefully it will ensure Israel's security for years to come.

    I applaud the Obama Administration for agreeing to this deal.

    Come on, Sherm. Why not give credit where credit is due? You know the applause belongs to the efforts of The Lobby. They get the same results regardless of the particular administration, red or blue.

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  21. @Chet Roman
    As always, an excellent article that you won't see in the MSM. I just wonder how long this corruption of the America political system for the benefit of a foreign power by a small but powerful and wealthy group can be sustained. Will there be a tipping point, like in the 1930's Europe, when the public supported authoritarians? Trump certainly is not that person but I think a large part of the 81% that are against giving more money to the welfare queen would welcome someone who would challenge the corrupt system.

    As always, an excellent article that you won’t see in the MSM

    Many of the callers to C Span’s Washington Journal program praise it as the best in the business, far more “fair and balanced” than any other MSM outlet.

    This morning moderator Greta Brawner invited C Span listeners to opine on the debates.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?415504-2/washington-journal-viewer-reaction-first-presidential-debate

    Just before 9:00 am, (2 hours into the program) Charles from Jackson, Georgia, a Trump supporter, said

    “Hillary is just for business as usual; we need somebody in there who knows how to spend a dollar bill, okay? We wasted — we’re $20billion in debt! Nobody wants to address the problem. How can they continue to create bills and spend more money, and give away money to people like Iran, when we say we don’t have money at home to do this and do that, is beyond comprehension! And that’s your government as it stands which is very very democratic, they want everybody to have free ride. ”

    At this point Brawner interrupted the caller, not to correct his obvious error of fact — the USA is not “giving money to Iran,” it is paying off a debt and/or returning to Iran funds that belong to Iran.
    Rather, Brawner asked a meaningless question about the caller’s past voting record.

    CAMERA monitors the Washington Journal program and complains bitterly and names-and-shames moderators personally when Israel/Jews are, in CAMERA’s jaundiced opinion, criticized and mods fail to correct offending callers.

    Charles’s comments this morning contained an obvious error of fact in a situation which is of critical importance to the voting public.

    Why did C Span moderator Greta Brawner fail to inform the C Span audience that the USA is not giving US money to Iran, but that it is giving billions of dollars to Israel?

    The Unz forum, and Phil Giraldi’s articles, are useful correctives to such MSM misinformation.
    Spread the word.
    Let Greta Brawner and C Span know that they are are derelict in their journalist duties to American voters

    email GRETA BRAWNER and C Span:
    gbrawner@c-span.org,
    journal@c-span.org,
    viewer@c-span.org,

    Twitter:
    @gretabrawner (https://twitter.com/gretabrawner),
    @cspanwj,

    facebook.com/cspan

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    At this point Brawner interrupted the caller, not to correct his obvious error of fact...
     
    I thought he was going to point out that the national debt isn't $20 billion, but $20 trillion, with a T!
    , @AmericaFirstNow
    Problem with C-SPAN is it receives funding from the cable companies to include Time Warner (Spectrum) and a Time Warner exec even wrote Netanyahu speech to Congress as the following Mondoweiss.net link conveyed:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/moonlights-speechwriter-netanyahu/

    C-SPAN is also sensitive to what is put out by 'C-SPAN Watch' (by CAMERA which is an organ of the Israel lobby) which makes a transcript of every viewer call which is critical of Israel:

    http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1778

    C-SPAN's 'Washington Journal' also has a record of the phone number for at least one of the callers who have been critical of Israel and cuts him off before he goes on air even when he respects the request to only call in every thirty days! So C-SPAN has basically censored him!
    , @Carroll Price
    Serving as a c-span moderator would have to rank right-up-there with the toughest job outside that of White House Press Secretary. And probably much more so since Helen Thomas’ banishment for asking embarrassing questions relating to Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine and undeclared stockpile of nuclear weapons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0MYtwDoORk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeGMPMVz4pE

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  22. Good to see Israel gulp down $38B of American pork. Hope they choke on it.

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  23. @Jimi Shmendrix
    It's a $38 billion gift to US weapons manufacturers and their employees as well.

    It’s a $38 billion gift to US weapons manufacturers and their employees as well.

    That argument makes no sense.

    If the USA seeks to “give a gift to US weapons manufacturers,” why not cut out the middle man, rather than set off an arms race in the most volatile region of the world, and further weapon an already out-of-control militarized entity that habitually flaunts the rule of law?

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Actually it happens to be correct to a large extent. These annual amounts are designed to: (a) maintain Israel's security advantage; it is here that advocacy groups exert their influence and (b) a decades long arrangement between the armaments interests in both countries where Israel modifies in varying degrees, certain equipment earmarked for sale to nations [in Africa, Asia minor, South America] where the U.S. cannot sell directly, for one reason or another.
    , @Lawrence Fitton
    it's called money laundering. instead of giving u.s. tax payer dollars directly to u.s. weapons manufactures, the money is laundered through israel.
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  24. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    As always, an excellent article that you won’t see in the MSM
     
    Many of the callers to C Span's Washington Journal program praise it as the best in the business, far more "fair and balanced" than any other MSM outlet.

    This morning moderator Greta Brawner invited C Span listeners to opine on the debates.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?415504-2/washington-journal-viewer-reaction-first-presidential-debate
    Just before 9:00 am, (2 hours into the program) Charles from Jackson, Georgia, a Trump supporter, said

    "Hillary is just for business as usual; we need somebody in there who knows how to spend a dollar bill, okay? We wasted -- we're $20billion in debt! Nobody wants to address the problem. How can they continue to create bills and spend more money, and give away money to people like Iran, when we say we don't have money at home to do this and do that, is beyond comprehension! And that's your government as it stands which is very very democratic, they want everybody to have free ride. "

    At this point Brawner interrupted the caller, not to correct his obvious error of fact -- the USA is not "giving money to Iran," it is paying off a debt and/or returning to Iran funds that belong to Iran.
    Rather, Brawner asked a meaningless question about the caller's past voting record.

    CAMERA monitors the Washington Journal program and complains bitterly and names-and-shames moderators personally when Israel/Jews are, in CAMERA's jaundiced opinion, criticized and mods fail to correct offending callers.

    Charles's comments this morning contained an obvious error of fact in a situation which is of critical importance to the voting public.

    Why did C Span moderator Greta Brawner fail to inform the C Span audience that the USA is not giving US money to Iran, but that it is giving billions of dollars to Israel?

    The Unz forum, and Phil Giraldi's articles, are useful correctives to such MSM misinformation.
    Spread the word.
    Let Greta Brawner and C Span know that they are are derelict in their journalist duties to American voters

    email GRETA BRAWNER and C Span:
    gbrawner@c-span.org,
    journal@c-span.org,
    viewer@c-span.org,

    Twitter:
    @gretabrawner (https://twitter.com/gretabrawner),
    @cspanwj,

    facebook.com/cspan

    At this point Brawner interrupted the caller, not to correct his obvious error of fact…

    I thought he was going to point out that the national debt isn’t $20 billion, but $20 trillion, with a T!

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  25. Rehmat says:

    Several Democrat lawmakers have criticized Obama’s blessing the $38 billion military aid to the Zionist regime – as TOO MUCH.

    Former GOP congressman Ron Paul has called the new $38 billion aid as WASTE OF MONEY as Israel is a PARASITE RICH ENTITY and has region’s most powerful army laced with hundreds of nukes.

    Netanyahu had demanded 45-50 billion military aid during the next 10 year to defend Jewish colonial power from the Islamic Iran. With the both presidential contenders being POODLES of the Jewish Lobby – Netanyahu hopes to get what he wanted from the incoming US president.

    The landmark agreement between Obama administration and Netanyahu’ apartheid government is the biggest pledge of US military aid to a foreign country in American history.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/09/14/netanyahu-accepts-obamas-38-billion-military-aid/

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    "Former GOP congressman Ron Paul has called the new $38 billion aid as WASTE OF MONEY as Israel is a PARASITE RICH ENTITY and has region's most powerful army laced with hundreds of nukes"

    The estimable Ron Paul. He was virtually the only member of the Parliament of Whores/Knesset West to call out Israel on its bullshit.
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  26. That Israel is an “ally” of this nation is the grossest fiction and even bald-faced lying. Israel terrorizes our entire congress with the threat of focused campaign contributions and their control of most of our MSM. Funny, I don’t remember any Israelis fighting alongside us during my two tours in Vietnam – quite the contrary. American Jews were among the most strident critics of our efforts in that dreary little war; yet the greatest congressional critics of that war in our own country were the foremost cheering section for Israel’s brutal and surprise invasion of Arab territories, which purely by coincidence, just happened to double the size of Israeli territory in the ’67 land-grab.

    Israel is a treacherous and duplicitous exploiter of the US and its hapless taxpayers. And let us us not forget their attack on the USS Liberty in 1967, during which Israeli jets bombed and strafed the unarmed vessel repeatedly over a period of several hours while flying an outsize American flag, killing and maiming many of its crew members. Their motivation was clear – they didn’t want the Liberty’s radio intercepts to contradict their version of how the Six-War started, which was falsely claimed to be by an attack by the Arabs on Israeli forces. And the cowardly and corrupt LBJ lacked the moral fiber to even object. What an irredeemable dirtball.

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    • Replies: @AmericaFirstNow
    That's good! However, Google (which owns Youtube) has been giving friend Tom Murphy problems with his http://youtube.com/representativepress channel!
    , @AmericaFirstNow
    Don't forget traitor John McCain and his admiral Father who have been involved with the USS Liberty cover-up as well:

    McCain Confronted & Media Betrayal
    :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2d0CKXy8HQ&list=PL32A3140D59BF5772&feature=plpp_play_all

    Additional at following URL:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2012/05/30/john-mccain-calls-american-patriot-a-jerk-for-questioning-him-about-uss-liberty-cover-up/

    Cindy McCain also OK with USS Liberty cover-up as well:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2011/10/04/cindy-mccain-on-the-uss-liberty-coverup-i-dont-care-about-this-issue/
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  27. RobinG says:
    @frankie p
    It's a fake, but the story is interesting, as it seems that the Israelis are indignant because although the National Theater of Norway says that the video doesn't represent their policies, it stopped short of condemning the video, saying that it was freedom of speech.

    Thanks, Frankie.

    But you know, that’s just as good – if not better. There should be more of this Counter-Propaganda (as in counter-terrorism, since the Israelis are constantly terrorizing us with their fake narratives and REAL THREATS, i.e. that they will destroy any public figure who exposes their lies).

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    [There should be more of this Counter-Propaganda]

    You can't be serious Robin. I know for a fact what Pallywood does, but did not think for a moment that you would endorse it.

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  28. @Rehmat
    Several Democrat lawmakers have criticized Obama's blessing the $38 billion military aid to the Zionist regime - as TOO MUCH.

    Former GOP congressman Ron Paul has called the new $38 billion aid as WASTE OF MONEY as Israel is a PARASITE RICH ENTITY and has region's most powerful army laced with hundreds of nukes.

    Netanyahu had demanded 45-50 billion military aid during the next 10 year to defend Jewish colonial power from the Islamic Iran. With the both presidential contenders being POODLES of the Jewish Lobby - Netanyahu hopes to get what he wanted from the incoming US president.

    The landmark agreement between Obama administration and Netanyahu’ apartheid government is the biggest pledge of US military aid to a foreign country in American history.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/09/14/netanyahu-accepts-obamas-38-billion-military-aid/

    “Former GOP congressman Ron Paul has called the new $38 billion aid as WASTE OF MONEY as Israel is a PARASITE RICH ENTITY and has region’s most powerful army laced with hundreds of nukes”

    The estimable Ron Paul. He was virtually the only member of the Parliament of Whores/Knesset West to call out Israel on its bullshit.

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    Ron Paul also irked the Organized Jewry by claiming the 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB in 2014.

    On August 20, 2013, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the US-based Jewish civil liberty group, condemned former US Rep. Ron Paul for agreeing to be the keynote speaker at a conference sponsored by Canadian Fatima Center. The Catholic group, has long been designated by Jewish groups as “radical Christian” and “Jew-hater”. Incidently, Mel Gibson’s father Hutton Gibson is contacted with the group.

    The conference is titled ‘Fatima: The Path to Peace’ – calling for the merger of the Church and State in the world government. The conference will be held Niagra Falls’ Scotiabank Convention Centre from September 8-13, 2013. In addition to Ron Paul, the other notable speakers will include Roberto Fiore, former EU member from Italy and John F. McManus, president of John Birch Society. McManus is linked to E. Michael Jones, editor of Culture Wars monthly Catholic magazine. All these three dudes are well-known “antisemites”, according to the SPLC......

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/09/03/splc-ron-paul-mingles-with-canadian-jew-haters/
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  29. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    It’s a $38 billion gift to US weapons manufacturers and their employees as well.
     
    That argument makes no sense.

    If the USA seeks to "give a gift to US weapons manufacturers," why not cut out the middle man, rather than set off an arms race in the most volatile region of the world, and further weapon an already out-of-control militarized entity that habitually flaunts the rule of law?

    Actually it happens to be correct to a large extent. These annual amounts are designed to: (a) maintain Israel’s security advantage; it is here that advocacy groups exert their influence and (b) a decades long arrangement between the armaments interests in both countries where Israel modifies in varying degrees, certain equipment earmarked for sale to nations [in Africa, Asia minor, South America] where the U.S. cannot sell directly, for one reason or another.

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    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    What extraordinary arrogance, Sam.

    USA does not need Israel to produce or sell weapons.

    Is there something in Jewish communion wine that causes you to think the USA could not manage its own affairs but needs Israel to act as its Mercurian?
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  30. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG
    Thanks, Frankie.

    But you know, that's just as good - if not better. There should be more of this Counter-Propaganda (as in counter-terrorism, since the Israelis are constantly terrorizing us with their fake narratives and REAL THREATS, i.e. that they will destroy any public figure who exposes their lies).

    [There should be more of this Counter-Propaganda]

    You can’t be serious Robin. I know for a fact what Pallywood does, but did not think for a moment that you would endorse it.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Sam, you are the one who suggested (some months ago) that we (the anti-Z-Lobby) should take a page from their book and practice the effective model of AIPAC et al. Every time the Israeli spokespersons go on TV it's a theatrical performance. They speak from a script, carefully crafted to elicit the desired emotional response. Key phrases like "What would you do?" are droned into the American consciousness. (Other phrases, like "They want to eliminate you," are droned into the Israeli and ((diaspora??)) consciousness, inculcating fear in hopes of sustaining unity. Amicable interaction between Palestinians and Jews is anathema to the Israeli regime.)

    Viewers of the Ibsen-like piece will absorb the message. That they discover it's a play doesn't detract from that. Just as commercial cinema can be much more memorable than the evening news, such dramatization can be more effective than talking heads. Fight fire with fire. Theater is a valid form of expression. And this is Norwegian Wood, btw.

    So yes, whatever can be brought to the battle is justified. Israel has practiced brainwashing for years. See "Occupation of the American Mind" http://occupationoftheamericanmind.org/

    Really, see it, and don't complain is some artists fight fire with fire.
    , @frankie p
    Yeah, Sam says how dare you goys try to utilize the deceit, fraud and misdirection that those in the Zioworld twilight zone have perfected into a science, and then direct it at the Zioproject! Sam also tries to deflect, citing, wait for it, Pallywood, a moniker in itself a description of Jewish brainwashing of history through its Hollywood component. He's beside himself with chagrin; "We are the liars, we are the dishonest cheaters, we are the repackagers of history. How dare you try to copy our total commitment to duplicity and treachery." Frankie says: "What Sam? Tell me again what you and your bunch are, for the record." Sam: "Oh, for the record?! I didn't mean that. We really are the truthful, the trustworthy, the upright, the honest."

    And so it goes, in the Zioworld...where perception TRUMPS truth, ethics and morality. It's good for the (((()))).

    Frankie P
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  31. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AmericaFirstNow
    Israel calls on Norwegian theater to remove fake BDS video:

    https://www.rt.com/news/360592-norwegian-theatre-israel-boycott/

    Attempt to download the Norwegian Youtube video resulted in a message, “no media recognized”

    Have our friendly Israeli free speech warriors already tinkered with the video?

    btw, it’s a powerful video and an excellent model of effective public outcry and action.

    If the National Theater of Norway did not produce it, and take that position, it should have.
    “If the people lead, the leaders will follow.”

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    Netanyahu probably asked his Jewish Zionist friends in charge of Google to have it taken down (Israel is even sending a probe to the moon with Google)!
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  32. @Sam Shama
    Actually it happens to be correct to a large extent. These annual amounts are designed to: (a) maintain Israel's security advantage; it is here that advocacy groups exert their influence and (b) a decades long arrangement between the armaments interests in both countries where Israel modifies in varying degrees, certain equipment earmarked for sale to nations [in Africa, Asia minor, South America] where the U.S. cannot sell directly, for one reason or another.

    What extraordinary arrogance, Sam.

    USA does not need Israel to produce or sell weapons.

    Is there something in Jewish communion wine that causes you to think the USA could not manage its own affairs but needs Israel to act as its Mercurian?

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    Arrogance? LOL, as usual you've jumped the gun and in this case did not read my post in its entirety, or failed to understand the implications of the sentence in the tail-end.

    Also, I'm not a fan of Manischewitz.

    , @Carroll Price
    Well, come to think of it, Israel does provide the Pentagon with the service of stealing and selling to "enemy nations" the latest advanced weapons systems. Which in turn creates the need to rush an even more sophisticated weapons system into production to the compete with the one just stolen. This slight-of hand method for raiding the US treasury has been going on for 60 years or more. Friends like that are hard to come by, so they need to be taken care of.
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  33. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    What extraordinary arrogance, Sam.

    USA does not need Israel to produce or sell weapons.

    Is there something in Jewish communion wine that causes you to think the USA could not manage its own affairs but needs Israel to act as its Mercurian?

    Arrogance? LOL, as usual you’ve jumped the gun and in this case did not read my post in its entirety, or failed to understand the implications of the sentence in the tail-end.

    Also, I’m not a fan of Manischewitz.

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    I’m not a fan of Manischewitz.
     
    Christian Brothers produce a far superior liquor.
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  34. utu says:
    @Mick
    Why is America spending it's National Treasure on Israel, and allowing Israel to write our Foreign policy? It's not in America's interests to do so, nor the interest of America's people who are being neglected to serve the Zionist Beast.

    America is mercenary army and money pit for Israel, furnishing them with the blood of our children to drink in their conquest of control and power over the whole world.

    But what should we expect from those who believe 'The Whole World was Made Only for the Torah and the Jewish people. The rest of us are their subhuman slaves, according to Rabbi's.

    Simeon Perez brags they have no problems, and are buying up other whole countries. Why must America give to Israel what our own rotting people and infra structure so urgently need? Our money to make things better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL4Cu-K17vE
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  35. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    [There should be more of this Counter-Propaganda]

    You can't be serious Robin. I know for a fact what Pallywood does, but did not think for a moment that you would endorse it.

    Sam, you are the one who suggested (some months ago) that we (the anti-Z-Lobby) should take a page from their book and practice the effective model of AIPAC et al. Every time the Israeli spokespersons go on TV it’s a theatrical performance. They speak from a script, carefully crafted to elicit the desired emotional response. Key phrases like “What would you do?” are droned into the American consciousness. (Other phrases, like “They want to eliminate you,” are droned into the Israeli and ((diaspora??)) consciousness, inculcating fear in hopes of sustaining unity. Amicable interaction between Palestinians and Jews is anathema to the Israeli regime.)

    Viewers of the Ibsen-like piece will absorb the message. That they discover it’s a play doesn’t detract from that. Just as commercial cinema can be much more memorable than the evening news, such dramatization can be more effective than talking heads. Fight fire with fire. Theater is a valid form of expression. And this is Norwegian Wood, btw.

    So yes, whatever can be brought to the battle is justified. Israel has practiced brainwashing for years. See “Occupation of the American Mind” http://occupationoftheamericanmind.org/

    Really, see it, and don’t complain is some artists fight fire with fire.

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    I don't think I suggested outright duplicity, only effective organisation and counterarguments. However, I do see your point, but beware; for if you resort to methods of commercial cinema the arena is well-covered by your opposition, and, frame for frame, Hollywood will leave a more permanent imprint on the cognitive landscape than a million Ibsen Antegones. Will you then complain?
    , @Art
    So yes, whatever can be brought to the battle is justified. Israel has practiced brainwashing for years.

    RobinG,

    The Zombie Jews are working themselves to the bone fighting against America goodness. To the Zombies all is fair - it is war for them. (Every day now the ADL and AIPAC are having to gin up a denunciation of someone. )

    The problem is that the Zombies are the only ones fighting - the American people are not fighting back - they are not even engaged in the battle.

    I believe that at this time there is a mass unconnected unspoken wariness about Jews and Israel.

    Despite the UK Zombie Jews best efforts, Jeremy Corbyn has sustained his Labor Party leadership. He has a mass of people behind him willing to buck the Zionist Zombies.

    If a “Jeremy Corbyn” where to arise in the US – he would find significant mass support.

    It is just a matter of time before truth will rule out.

    Art

    , @richard vajs
    Why the need for some kind of "lobby of liars" to combat obvious hasbara? The Israelis abuse and genocide of the Palestinian people is so clear and obvious that a simple statement of the truth is all that is needed. The fact that the American people cannot figure out that Israel is a nasty, racist, land-thief and mass killer (in Gaza) is a testament to the skillful lies of the Israeli Lobby as well as the mendacity of our politicians who accept their bribes/threats. You don't have to lie to counter a lie, you just tell the truth. The truth overpowers the slick lies every time. Israeli lies will eventually put the liars heads in nooses. And our politicians (e.g. the Clintons) who take the Lobby's money to enable the genocide, will eventually get their reward - another space upon the same gallows.
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  36. @AmericaFirstNow
    Israel calls on Norwegian theater to remove fake BDS video:

    https://www.rt.com/news/360592-norwegian-theatre-israel-boycott/

    Saw following one at that RT.com URL about the Norwegian theater:


    Trump vows to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital after meeting with Netanyahu
    :

    https://www.rt.com/usa/360591-trump-netanyahu-jerusalem-israel-capital/

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  37. @Anon
    Attempt to download the Norwegian Youtube video resulted in a message, "no media recognized"

    Have our friendly Israeli free speech warriors already tinkered with the video?

    btw, it's a powerful video and an excellent model of effective public outcry and action.

    If the National Theater of Norway did not produce it, and take that position, it should have.
    "If the people lead, the leaders will follow."

    Netanyahu probably asked his Jewish Zionist friends in charge of Google to have it taken down (Israel is even sending a probe to the moon with Google)!

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    It has NOT been taken down (yet). Go to #3 or #5 above.
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  38. RobinG says:
    @AmericaFirstNow
    Netanyahu probably asked his Jewish Zionist friends in charge of Google to have it taken down (Israel is even sending a probe to the moon with Google)!

    It has NOT been taken down (yet). Go to #3 or #5 above.

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  39. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG
    Sam, you are the one who suggested (some months ago) that we (the anti-Z-Lobby) should take a page from their book and practice the effective model of AIPAC et al. Every time the Israeli spokespersons go on TV it's a theatrical performance. They speak from a script, carefully crafted to elicit the desired emotional response. Key phrases like "What would you do?" are droned into the American consciousness. (Other phrases, like "They want to eliminate you," are droned into the Israeli and ((diaspora??)) consciousness, inculcating fear in hopes of sustaining unity. Amicable interaction between Palestinians and Jews is anathema to the Israeli regime.)

    Viewers of the Ibsen-like piece will absorb the message. That they discover it's a play doesn't detract from that. Just as commercial cinema can be much more memorable than the evening news, such dramatization can be more effective than talking heads. Fight fire with fire. Theater is a valid form of expression. And this is Norwegian Wood, btw.

    So yes, whatever can be brought to the battle is justified. Israel has practiced brainwashing for years. See "Occupation of the American Mind" http://occupationoftheamericanmind.org/

    Really, see it, and don't complain is some artists fight fire with fire.

    I don’t think I suggested outright duplicity, only effective organisation and counterarguments. However, I do see your point, but beware; for if you resort to methods of commercial cinema the arena is well-covered by your opposition, and, frame for frame, Hollywood will leave a more permanent imprint on the cognitive landscape than a million Ibsen Antegones. Will you then complain?

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    • Replies: @iffen
    the arena is well-covered by your opposition... Will you then complain?

    They complain 24/7 now!
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  40. Blake says:

    ‘israel’ wont exist if American support for it did not exist and try as I might to feel sorry for the ‘israelis’ – who are all pawns in the grand geopolitical scheme of things – is hard because they very aggressively try to sugarcoat and lie about what they have done and continue to do – 68 yrs of land grab and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people.

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  41. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    I don't think I suggested outright duplicity, only effective organisation and counterarguments. However, I do see your point, but beware; for if you resort to methods of commercial cinema the arena is well-covered by your opposition, and, frame for frame, Hollywood will leave a more permanent imprint on the cognitive landscape than a million Ibsen Antegones. Will you then complain?

    the arena is well-covered by your opposition… Will you then complain?

    They complain 24/7 now!

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  42. Rehmat says:
    @Clyde

    The 2016 Federal Budget: Where the Money Really Goes
    Where did the more than $3.8 trillion apportioned in the federal budget for fiscal 2016 wind up? Wonder no more...
    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/13/the-2016-federal-budget-where-the-money-really-goe.aspx
     
    I am not going to lose sleep over Israel getting one thousandth of yearly Federal outlays, then having to spend at least 50-70% of this with US defense companies. We spend billions each year making sure the Sunni Muslim Arab oil producers can securely transport (sell-profit) their oil to markets in Europe and Asia. This security is provided via the United States Navy and our military in general.

    Nyeth moron. United States only imports 6% of its oil needs from the Middle East. The largest supplier of oil to the US is my country Canada followed by Mexico and Venezuela.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/08/21/the-real-troublemaker-in-the-middle-east/

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  43. @slobotnavich
    That Israel is an "ally" of this nation is the grossest fiction and even bald-faced lying. Israel terrorizes our entire congress with the threat of focused campaign contributions and their control of most of our MSM. Funny, I don't remember any Israelis fighting alongside us during my two tours in Vietnam - quite the contrary. American Jews were among the most strident critics of our efforts in that dreary little war; yet the greatest congressional critics of that war in our own country were the foremost cheering section for Israel's brutal and surprise invasion of Arab territories, which purely by coincidence, just happened to double the size of Israeli territory in the '67 land-grab.

    Israel is a treacherous and duplicitous exploiter of the US and its hapless taxpayers. And let us us not forget their attack on the USS Liberty in 1967, during which Israeli jets bombed and strafed the unarmed vessel repeatedly over a period of several hours while flying an outsize American flag, killing and maiming many of its crew members. Their motivation was clear - they didn't want the Liberty's radio intercepts to contradict their version of how the Six-War started, which was falsely claimed to be by an attack by the Arabs on Israeli forces. And the cowardly and corrupt LBJ lacked the moral fiber to even object. What an irredeemable dirtball.

    That’s good! However, Google (which owns Youtube) has been giving friend Tom Murphy problems with his http://youtube.com/representativepress channel!

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  44. @slobotnavich
    That Israel is an "ally" of this nation is the grossest fiction and even bald-faced lying. Israel terrorizes our entire congress with the threat of focused campaign contributions and their control of most of our MSM. Funny, I don't remember any Israelis fighting alongside us during my two tours in Vietnam - quite the contrary. American Jews were among the most strident critics of our efforts in that dreary little war; yet the greatest congressional critics of that war in our own country were the foremost cheering section for Israel's brutal and surprise invasion of Arab territories, which purely by coincidence, just happened to double the size of Israeli territory in the '67 land-grab.

    Israel is a treacherous and duplicitous exploiter of the US and its hapless taxpayers. And let us us not forget their attack on the USS Liberty in 1967, during which Israeli jets bombed and strafed the unarmed vessel repeatedly over a period of several hours while flying an outsize American flag, killing and maiming many of its crew members. Their motivation was clear - they didn't want the Liberty's radio intercepts to contradict their version of how the Six-War started, which was falsely claimed to be by an attack by the Arabs on Israeli forces. And the cowardly and corrupt LBJ lacked the moral fiber to even object. What an irredeemable dirtball.

    Don’t forget traitor John McCain and his admiral Father who have been involved with the USS Liberty cover-up as well:

    McCain Confronted & Media Betrayal
    :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2d0CKXy8HQ&list=PL32A3140D59BF5772&feature=plpp_play_all

    Additional at following URL:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2012/05/30/john-mccain-calls-american-patriot-a-jerk-for-questioning-him-about-uss-liberty-cover-up/

    Cindy McCain also OK with USS Liberty cover-up as well:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2011/10/04/cindy-mccain-on-the-uss-liberty-coverup-i-dont-care-about-this-issue/

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  45. Rehmat says:
    @Sherman
    I applaud the Obama Administration for agreeing to this deal.

    Hopefully it will ensure Israel's security for years to come.

    Stop gloating Sharon. Don’t forget how Hizbullah fighters kicked your dirty butts in South Lebanon in 2000 – and later Gen. Ehud Barak’s butts in 2006.

    In November 2010 – Dr. Franklin Lamb wrote that Israel doesn’t know how to defeat Hizbullah.

    “The skills that Hizbollah fighters used to force repeated errors by Israeli forces during the July 2006 war, and although not widely reported, during its 18 years of occupation of Lebanon (1982-2000). Errors, that the Israeli Winograd commission called “ the worst kind of mistakes and failures of the ground forces.” Among the examples still discussed in Dahiyeh, and presumably in Tel Aviv and Washington, include the Hizbollah forces routing of the Israeli “elite” Golani, Egoz and Magland Brigades at Maron al Ras on the Lebanese-Palestine border between July 25-30, 2006,” wrote Dr. Lamb.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/08/17/israel-is-afraid-of-hizbullah/

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    http://forward.com/news/obituaries/331162/remembering-jfr-jacob-india-jewish-general/

    Did your forget your own country of Pakistan was forced to unconditionally surrender to a Jew !!!!!!

    Don't you mujehadeen and brave jihadis have any pride ?? I mean an unconditional surrender to a Jew ??

    The pakistani military college gave full credit to General JFR Jacob for the victory !!!!!
    , @frankie p
    Those skills that you mention have been greatly honed and sharpened in the ongoing Hezzbollah actions with SAA and Iran against the Takfiri in Syria. The missiles that Hezzbollah has assembled in Lebanon at this time are more numerous and far-reaching than ever before, capable of reaching any part of Israel. If you think the Isrealis shat their pants in 2006, and they did, they certainly did, just wait until the Israelis decide to try to bomb Lebanon again: they will pay a price far above any they have paid before. I don't enjoy seeing trauma and death of civilians, but when we see the misery that Israel has doled out directly to civilian populations in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, etc. and indirectly through their American and European proxies throughout MENA, coupled with the joy that Israelis express when the IOF bombs the penned-in occupants of Gaza, cutting the grass again and again, it will be some consolation to see them squirm and suffer under that future onslaught. Just desserts.
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  46. Art says:
    @RobinG
    Sam, you are the one who suggested (some months ago) that we (the anti-Z-Lobby) should take a page from their book and practice the effective model of AIPAC et al. Every time the Israeli spokespersons go on TV it's a theatrical performance. They speak from a script, carefully crafted to elicit the desired emotional response. Key phrases like "What would you do?" are droned into the American consciousness. (Other phrases, like "They want to eliminate you," are droned into the Israeli and ((diaspora??)) consciousness, inculcating fear in hopes of sustaining unity. Amicable interaction between Palestinians and Jews is anathema to the Israeli regime.)

    Viewers of the Ibsen-like piece will absorb the message. That they discover it's a play doesn't detract from that. Just as commercial cinema can be much more memorable than the evening news, such dramatization can be more effective than talking heads. Fight fire with fire. Theater is a valid form of expression. And this is Norwegian Wood, btw.

    So yes, whatever can be brought to the battle is justified. Israel has practiced brainwashing for years. See "Occupation of the American Mind" http://occupationoftheamericanmind.org/

    Really, see it, and don't complain is some artists fight fire with fire.

    So yes, whatever can be brought to the battle is justified. Israel has practiced brainwashing for years.

    RobinG,

    The Zombie Jews are working themselves to the bone fighting against America goodness. To the Zombies all is fair – it is war for them. (Every day now the ADL and AIPAC are having to gin up a denunciation of someone. )

    The problem is that the Zombies are the only ones fighting – the American people are not fighting back – they are not even engaged in the battle.

    I believe that at this time there is a mass unconnected unspoken wariness about Jews and Israel.

    Despite the UK Zombie Jews best efforts, Jeremy Corbyn has sustained his Labor Party leadership. He has a mass of people behind him willing to buck the Zionist Zombies.

    If a “Jeremy Corbyn” where to arise in the US – he would find significant mass support.

    It is just a matter of time before truth will rule out.

    Art

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  47. @SolontoCroesus

    As always, an excellent article that you won’t see in the MSM
     
    Many of the callers to C Span's Washington Journal program praise it as the best in the business, far more "fair and balanced" than any other MSM outlet.

    This morning moderator Greta Brawner invited C Span listeners to opine on the debates.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?415504-2/washington-journal-viewer-reaction-first-presidential-debate
    Just before 9:00 am, (2 hours into the program) Charles from Jackson, Georgia, a Trump supporter, said

    "Hillary is just for business as usual; we need somebody in there who knows how to spend a dollar bill, okay? We wasted -- we're $20billion in debt! Nobody wants to address the problem. How can they continue to create bills and spend more money, and give away money to people like Iran, when we say we don't have money at home to do this and do that, is beyond comprehension! And that's your government as it stands which is very very democratic, they want everybody to have free ride. "

    At this point Brawner interrupted the caller, not to correct his obvious error of fact -- the USA is not "giving money to Iran," it is paying off a debt and/or returning to Iran funds that belong to Iran.
    Rather, Brawner asked a meaningless question about the caller's past voting record.

    CAMERA monitors the Washington Journal program and complains bitterly and names-and-shames moderators personally when Israel/Jews are, in CAMERA's jaundiced opinion, criticized and mods fail to correct offending callers.

    Charles's comments this morning contained an obvious error of fact in a situation which is of critical importance to the voting public.

    Why did C Span moderator Greta Brawner fail to inform the C Span audience that the USA is not giving US money to Iran, but that it is giving billions of dollars to Israel?

    The Unz forum, and Phil Giraldi's articles, are useful correctives to such MSM misinformation.
    Spread the word.
    Let Greta Brawner and C Span know that they are are derelict in their journalist duties to American voters

    email GRETA BRAWNER and C Span:
    gbrawner@c-span.org,
    journal@c-span.org,
    viewer@c-span.org,

    Twitter:
    @gretabrawner (https://twitter.com/gretabrawner),
    @cspanwj,

    facebook.com/cspan

    Problem with C-SPAN is it receives funding from the cable companies to include Time Warner (Spectrum) and a Time Warner exec even wrote Netanyahu speech to Congress as the following Mondoweiss.net link conveyed:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/moonlights-speechwriter-netanyahu/

    C-SPAN is also sensitive to what is put out by ‘C-SPAN Watch’ (by CAMERA which is an organ of the Israel lobby) which makes a transcript of every viewer call which is critical of Israel:

    http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1778

    C-SPAN’s ‘Washington Journal’ also has a record of the phone number for at least one of the callers who have been critical of Israel and cuts him off before he goes on air even when he respects the request to only call in every thirty days! So C-SPAN has basically censored him!

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    Look how fmr C-SPAN 'Washington Journal' host (Libby Casey) wouldn't allow the US Army officer in Afghanistan to respond to the caller's question/comment about Israel as 9/11 motive (which is the reason US troops are in Afghanstan) and inserted her own question in following youtube:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlMtyd4oaUM&list=PL46743488E4224A5E&feature=plpp_play_all
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  48. I am surprised that it is only 38 billion, given how servile us politicians are when it comes to israel.

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    Obama might, possibly be due a little credit for holding the ransom at 38 billion, when it could have so easily been 55 billion, and maybe more, if any other Democrat or Republican had been in the White House.
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  49. @AmericaFirstNow
    Problem with C-SPAN is it receives funding from the cable companies to include Time Warner (Spectrum) and a Time Warner exec even wrote Netanyahu speech to Congress as the following Mondoweiss.net link conveyed:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/moonlights-speechwriter-netanyahu/

    C-SPAN is also sensitive to what is put out by 'C-SPAN Watch' (by CAMERA which is an organ of the Israel lobby) which makes a transcript of every viewer call which is critical of Israel:

    http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1778

    C-SPAN's 'Washington Journal' also has a record of the phone number for at least one of the callers who have been critical of Israel and cuts him off before he goes on air even when he respects the request to only call in every thirty days! So C-SPAN has basically censored him!

    Look how fmr C-SPAN ‘Washington Journal’ host (Libby Casey) wouldn’t allow the US Army officer in Afghanistan to respond to the caller’s question/comment about Israel as 9/11 motive (which is the reason US troops are in Afghanstan) and inserted her own question in following youtube:

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    PS: The officer in the youtube from Afghanistan was actually a US Marine Corps general!
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  50. @AmericaFirstNow
    Look how fmr C-SPAN 'Washington Journal' host (Libby Casey) wouldn't allow the US Army officer in Afghanistan to respond to the caller's question/comment about Israel as 9/11 motive (which is the reason US troops are in Afghanstan) and inserted her own question in following youtube:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlMtyd4oaUM&list=PL46743488E4224A5E&feature=plpp_play_all

    PS: The officer in the youtube from Afghanistan was actually a US Marine Corps general!

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  51. This is the price of having a dog on leash and of course the doghouse in the ME for keeping an eye on the oil reserves and also to keep fear in the hearts of stupid Arabs!

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  52. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Rehmat
    Stop gloating Sharon. Don't forget how Hizbullah fighters kicked your dirty butts in South Lebanon in 2000 - and later Gen. Ehud Barak's butts in 2006.

    In November 2010 – Dr. Franklin Lamb wrote that Israel doesn’t know how to defeat Hizbullah.

    “The skills that Hizbollah fighters used to force repeated errors by Israeli forces during the July 2006 war, and although not widely reported, during its 18 years of occupation of Lebanon (1982-2000). Errors, that the Israeli Winograd commission called “ the worst kind of mistakes and failures of the ground forces.” Among the examples still discussed in Dahiyeh, and presumably in Tel Aviv and Washington, include the Hizbollah forces routing of the Israeli “elite” Golani, Egoz and Magland Brigades at Maron al Ras on the Lebanese-Palestine border between July 25-30, 2006,” wrote Dr. Lamb.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/08/17/israel-is-afraid-of-hizbullah/

    http://forward.com/news/obituaries/331162/remembering-jfr-jacob-india-jewish-general/

    Did your forget your own country of Pakistan was forced to unconditionally surrender to a Jew !!!!!!

    Don’t you mujehadeen and brave jihadis have any pride ?? I mean an unconditional surrender to a Jew ??

    The pakistani military college gave full credit to General JFR Jacob for the victory !!!!!

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  53. Art says:
    @Sherman
    I applaud the Obama Administration for agreeing to this deal.

    Hopefully it will ensure Israel's security for years to come.

    Say Sherm – is the murder of Rachel Corry a national holiday in Israel yet? – Art

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    Hey Genius

    You spelled "Corrie" wrong.

    With imbeciles like you as their enemy it's no wonder the Jews have so much power.

    Sherm
    , @Carroll Price
    If not, it will be. Count on the Rachel Corrie festivities to be held on Jonathon Pollard Square. (formally Jerusalem Square)
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  54. chris says:
    @Jimi Shmendrix
    It's a $38 billion gift to US weapons manufacturers and their employees as well.

    if that were true, why would Yahoo and his minions exert themselves for the benefit of those manufacturers?
    Are they going to also wrestle money out of congress for the benefit of the auto industry?

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  55. @Sam Shama
    Arrogance? LOL, as usual you've jumped the gun and in this case did not read my post in its entirety, or failed to understand the implications of the sentence in the tail-end.

    Also, I'm not a fan of Manischewitz.

    I’m not a fan of Manischewitz.

    Christian Brothers produce a far superior liquor.

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  56. frankie p says:
    @Rehmat
    Stop gloating Sharon. Don't forget how Hizbullah fighters kicked your dirty butts in South Lebanon in 2000 - and later Gen. Ehud Barak's butts in 2006.

    In November 2010 – Dr. Franklin Lamb wrote that Israel doesn’t know how to defeat Hizbullah.

    “The skills that Hizbollah fighters used to force repeated errors by Israeli forces during the July 2006 war, and although not widely reported, during its 18 years of occupation of Lebanon (1982-2000). Errors, that the Israeli Winograd commission called “ the worst kind of mistakes and failures of the ground forces.” Among the examples still discussed in Dahiyeh, and presumably in Tel Aviv and Washington, include the Hizbollah forces routing of the Israeli “elite” Golani, Egoz and Magland Brigades at Maron al Ras on the Lebanese-Palestine border between July 25-30, 2006,” wrote Dr. Lamb.

    https://rehmat1.com/2012/08/17/israel-is-afraid-of-hizbullah/

    Those skills that you mention have been greatly honed and sharpened in the ongoing Hezzbollah actions with SAA and Iran against the Takfiri in Syria. The missiles that Hezzbollah has assembled in Lebanon at this time are more numerous and far-reaching than ever before, capable of reaching any part of Israel. If you think the Isrealis shat their pants in 2006, and they did, they certainly did, just wait until the Israelis decide to try to bomb Lebanon again: they will pay a price far above any they have paid before. I don’t enjoy seeing trauma and death of civilians, but when we see the misery that Israel has doled out directly to civilian populations in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, etc. and indirectly through their American and European proxies throughout MENA, coupled with the joy that Israelis express when the IOF bombs the penned-in occupants of Gaza, cutting the grass again and again, it will be some consolation to see them squirm and suffer under that future onslaught. Just desserts.

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    Strange that Israel has been able to assassinate so many hez commanders in the past year without retaliation from hez. From Baddredine who was second only to Nasrallah to Kuntnar to Ayoub to Mugneiyha Jr.All this year alone.

    In the case of the brave jihadi Samir Kuntnar ( child killer , killed a 5 year old girl with a rifle butt , what a mujehadeen for you to look up to ) he was killed shortly after the Russians arrived and they tipped off Israel of his whereabouts. He was killed when a precision guided missile entered his 8th floor apartment .

    But the reason could be that hez is too busy being cannon fodder for Assad to retaliate. Or maybe its because the fighters aren't being paid by the greasy greedy pig Nasrallah .

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-14/iran-s-return-isn-t-helping-ally-hezbollah-pay-the-bills

    http://www.thetower.org/3188-hezbollah-fighters-growing-more-disillusioned-only-in-it-for-the-money/
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  57. annamaria says:

    1. “… [the $38 billions subsidy ] frees up cash in the Israeli budget to build new settlements on the West Bank..” – This is a violation of international law
    2. “… medical care and higher education in Israel are free, a benefit that Americans do not enjoy and which derives in part from the U.S. largesse.”
    3. “…giving Israel $38 billion over ten years is robbery pure and simple having nothing whatsoever to do with anyone’s security. It is stealing from the American taxpayer…”

    If there is any confusion about the roots of the growing anti-Israel sentiments in the US, the above three points should help to clear the confusion.
    And here is an astonishing fact illustrating the rule of plutocracy in the US:
    “…an opinion poll reveals that 81% of Americans oppose giving Israel more money.”
    This overwhelming opposition makes no difference for the DC “think tanks” filled with opportunistic idiots and for the US presstitute. “Democracy on the march” has reached DC.

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  58. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @frankie p
    Those skills that you mention have been greatly honed and sharpened in the ongoing Hezzbollah actions with SAA and Iran against the Takfiri in Syria. The missiles that Hezzbollah has assembled in Lebanon at this time are more numerous and far-reaching than ever before, capable of reaching any part of Israel. If you think the Isrealis shat their pants in 2006, and they did, they certainly did, just wait until the Israelis decide to try to bomb Lebanon again: they will pay a price far above any they have paid before. I don't enjoy seeing trauma and death of civilians, but when we see the misery that Israel has doled out directly to civilian populations in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, etc. and indirectly through their American and European proxies throughout MENA, coupled with the joy that Israelis express when the IOF bombs the penned-in occupants of Gaza, cutting the grass again and again, it will be some consolation to see them squirm and suffer under that future onslaught. Just desserts.

    Strange that Israel has been able to assassinate so many hez commanders in the past year without retaliation from hez. From Baddredine who was second only to Nasrallah to Kuntnar to Ayoub to Mugneiyha Jr.All this year alone.

    In the case of the brave jihadi Samir Kuntnar ( child killer , killed a 5 year old girl with a rifle butt , what a mujehadeen for you to look up to ) he was killed shortly after the Russians arrived and they tipped off Israel of his whereabouts. He was killed when a precision guided missile entered his 8th floor apartment .

    But the reason could be that hez is too busy being cannon fodder for Assad to retaliate. Or maybe its because the fighters aren’t being paid by the greasy greedy pig Nasrallah .

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-14/iran-s-return-isn-t-helping-ally-hezbollah-pay-the-bills

    http://www.thetower.org/3188-hezbollah-fighters-growing-more-disillusioned-only-in-it-for-the-money/

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  59. frankie p says:
    @Sam Shama
    [There should be more of this Counter-Propaganda]

    You can't be serious Robin. I know for a fact what Pallywood does, but did not think for a moment that you would endorse it.

    Yeah, Sam says how dare you goys try to utilize the deceit, fraud and misdirection that those in the Zioworld twilight zone have perfected into a science, and then direct it at the Zioproject! Sam also tries to deflect, citing, wait for it, Pallywood, a moniker in itself a description of Jewish brainwashing of history through its Hollywood component. He’s beside himself with chagrin; “We are the liars, we are the dishonest cheaters, we are the repackagers of history. How dare you try to copy our total commitment to duplicity and treachery.” Frankie says: “What Sam? Tell me again what you and your bunch are, for the record.” Sam: “Oh, for the record?! I didn’t mean that. We really are the truthful, the trustworthy, the upright, the honest.”

    And so it goes, in the Zioworld…where perception TRUMPS truth, ethics and morality. It’s good for the (((()))).

    Frankie P

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  60. Sherman says:
    @Art
    Say Sherm - is the murder of Rachel Corry a national holiday in Israel yet? - Art

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX18zUp6WPY

    Hey Genius

    You spelled “Corrie” wrong.

    With imbeciles like you as their enemy it’s no wonder the Jews have so much power.

    Sherm

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    You spelled “Corrie” wrong.

    With imbeciles like you

    Yo Sherm,

    First thanks for the kind heads up - I will do my best to get my speling corect - thanks!

    I was wondering - what kind of a man runs over a girl with a bulldozer – a Ziombie?

    What kind of a culture celebrates it? Don’t tell me – a Ziombie culture?

    Yours - Art

    p.s. You sound on edge today – what no fresh Arab blood this morning?

    p.s. Hmm - I guess you Ziombies need the smell of fresh Arab blood, as a kick start in the AM.

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  61. Why not call “spade a spade” instead of calling it “AID to Israel” and call it what it really is? The truth is that is is “NOT” Aid to Israel but rather “TRIBUTE” Paid to the State of Israel. Let us face the fact that tt is worth every penny as it will ensure that the USA will not have another of the USS Liberty Attack, a repeat of the Lavon Affair, repeat of the 2008 Financial Meltdown, repeat of John F. Kennedy Assassination, a repeat of the Murder of his son John F. Kennedy Junior a would be natural Born Leader of the American nation or maybe something worse and etc, etc?

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  62. @SolontoCroesus

    It’s a $38 billion gift to US weapons manufacturers and their employees as well.
     
    That argument makes no sense.

    If the USA seeks to "give a gift to US weapons manufacturers," why not cut out the middle man, rather than set off an arms race in the most volatile region of the world, and further weapon an already out-of-control militarized entity that habitually flaunts the rule of law?

    it’s called money laundering. instead of giving u.s. tax payer dollars directly to u.s. weapons manufactures, the money is laundered through israel.

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    Oh, please, this explanation is completely asinine !

    You're trying to tell us that Yahoo has spent political capital for "more than a year" negotiating a sweetheart deal for Lockheed-Martin ? Mother Theresa's not been attributed such altruism.

    Missing from all this discussion, is the fact that we're not just paying Israel off, but we're also placating its neighbors Egypt, Jordan, with generous donations in order to provide Israel with a safe zone. This all goes on the same ledger as the cost of maintaining this haunted desert Disneyland.

    The way we're being taken to the cleaners every year, you'd think we were the ones who built the concentration camps.
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  63. chris says:
    @Lawrence Fitton
    it's called money laundering. instead of giving u.s. tax payer dollars directly to u.s. weapons manufactures, the money is laundered through israel.

    Oh, please, this explanation is completely asinine !

    You’re trying to tell us that Yahoo has spent political capital for “more than a year” negotiating a sweetheart deal for Lockheed-Martin ? Mother Theresa’s not been attributed such altruism.

    Missing from all this discussion, is the fact that we’re not just paying Israel off, but we’re also placating its neighbors Egypt, Jordan, with generous donations in order to provide Israel with a safe zone. This all goes on the same ledger as the cost of maintaining this haunted desert Disneyland.

    The way we’re being taken to the cleaners every year, you’d think we were the ones who built the concentration camps.

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  64. Reykool says:

    To ALL Zionist out there

    The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 was amended by the Symington Amendment (section 669 of the FFA) in 1976 : IT BANNED US ECONOMIC & MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO COUNTRIES THAT DELIVER OR RECEIVE, ACQUIRE OR TRANSFER NUCLEAR ENRICHMENT TECHNOLOGY WHEN THEY DO NOT COMPLY WITH IAEA REGULATIONS AND INSPECTIONS.
    in other words countries who has Nuclear weapons and did not sign the NPT (Non Proliferation Treaty) are prohibited to receive any economic & Military aid from the US BY LAW.
    Sending an OUTRAGEOUS $38 Billion of aid to Israel is in violation of US Law. Israel has more than 200 Nuclear weapons and always refused to sign the NPT , Israel is accusing IRAN to do what Israel actually did in 1958 , Dimona Nuclear Plant was built with the aid of a French company in 1958 for ENERGY use ONLY but Israel built 6 underground level under it and started to make Nuclear Weapons …Kennedy ask Israel to sign the NTP… THEY REFUSED .and still today.
    IRAN in the other hand DID SIGN the NTP and their nuclear plants are regularly inspected….
    That is why the issue of IRAN getting NUKES very soooon FOR THE PAST 15 years is a LIE
    IRAN has the second biggest Jewish community in the Middle East (beside Israel) and the Jewish community is represented in the Iranian Parliament…How many Palestinians represented in the Likud Party ?
    But our spineless Congress and the rest of the Western World cannot wait to bomb Iran turning it into a giant Chernobyl…. Just click this link and find the facts

    http://www.israellobby.org/nukes/default.asp

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    Absolutely. A lawsuit was filed this August by Grant Smith of IRmep (Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy) to block US $$$ aid to Israel on this basis.

    http://www.wrmea.org/2016-october/lawsuit-aims-to-block-u.s.-aid-to-israel.html
    Lawsuit Aims to Block U.S. Aid to Israel
    By Grant F. Smith

    Updates on the IRmep twitter - - -
    https://twitter.com/IRmep?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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  65. RobinG says:
    @Reykool
    To ALL Zionist out there

    The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 was amended by the Symington Amendment (section 669 of the FFA) in 1976 : IT BANNED US ECONOMIC & MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO COUNTRIES THAT DELIVER OR RECEIVE, ACQUIRE OR TRANSFER NUCLEAR ENRICHMENT TECHNOLOGY WHEN THEY DO NOT COMPLY WITH IAEA REGULATIONS AND INSPECTIONS.
    in other words countries who has Nuclear weapons and did not sign the NPT (Non Proliferation Treaty) are prohibited to receive any economic & Military aid from the US BY LAW.
    Sending an OUTRAGEOUS $38 Billion of aid to Israel is in violation of US Law. Israel has more than 200 Nuclear weapons and always refused to sign the NPT , Israel is accusing IRAN to do what Israel actually did in 1958 , Dimona Nuclear Plant was built with the aid of a French company in 1958 for ENERGY use ONLY but Israel built 6 underground level under it and started to make Nuclear Weapons ...Kennedy ask Israel to sign the NTP... THEY REFUSED .and still today.
    IRAN in the other hand DID SIGN the NTP and their nuclear plants are regularly inspected....
    That is why the issue of IRAN getting NUKES very soooon FOR THE PAST 15 years is a LIE
    IRAN has the second biggest Jewish community in the Middle East (beside Israel) and the Jewish community is represented in the Iranian Parliament...How many Palestinians represented in the Likud Party ?
    But our spineless Congress and the rest of the Western World cannot wait to bomb Iran turning it into a giant Chernobyl.... Just click this link and find the facts

    http://www.israellobby.org/nukes/default.asp

    Absolutely. A lawsuit was filed this August by Grant Smith of IRmep (Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy) to block US $$$ aid to Israel on this basis.

    http://www.wrmea.org/2016-october/lawsuit-aims-to-block-u.s.-aid-to-israel.html

    Lawsuit Aims to Block U.S. Aid to Israel
    By Grant F. Smith

    Updates on the IRmep twitter – – -

    https://twitter.com/IRmep?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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    Robin G
    Thanks I was not aware of this,
    However it is like trying to stop the illegal settlements...no matter what The Zionist State do, NOBODY has the guts to say anything, (SANCTIONS ? good luck !) our spineless Congress and white House always bend over backward before Netanyahu with more loyalty to Israel that the USA
    The poor little Zionist State with all these "Evil Arabs" around them while having the Fifth biggest Nuclear arsenal in the World and the fourth most powerful army on the planet (75% of their budget goes for the IDF )
    Clinton or Trump WILL NOT CHANGE this situation in the contrary, they both have their nose all brown after visiting Netanyahu BEFORE even being elected.... ALL AIPAC Puppets $$$$ SAD !

    I RECOMMEND EVERYBODY to watch that Video showing Miko Peled an Israeli with guts who speak the truth:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32739.htm
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  66. Ingot9455 says:

    Just as a comment, medical care in Israel is no longer free. It has been in a process of privatization since 1995. While the details are changing, right now citizens are mandated to join one of four non-profit healthcare organizations for basic needs, and many then buy private ‘gap insurance’ to get better coverage and choice of doctors above that. The non-profits receive a subsidy from the Israeli government (coming from a 5% tax on income), but participants do pay a premium unless they are truly indigent. They have a list of ‘Uniform Benefits’ that each of the healthcare organizations must cover, and the citizen must pay (or share the payment with his employer) for non-essential procedures not on the list.

    So, not perfect but not as bad as described.

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  67. Reykool says:
    @RobinG
    Absolutely. A lawsuit was filed this August by Grant Smith of IRmep (Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy) to block US $$$ aid to Israel on this basis.

    http://www.wrmea.org/2016-october/lawsuit-aims-to-block-u.s.-aid-to-israel.html
    Lawsuit Aims to Block U.S. Aid to Israel
    By Grant F. Smith

    Updates on the IRmep twitter - - -
    https://twitter.com/IRmep?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Robin G
    Thanks I was not aware of this,
    However it is like trying to stop the illegal settlements…no matter what The Zionist State do, NOBODY has the guts to say anything, (SANCTIONS ? good luck !) our spineless Congress and white House always bend over backward before Netanyahu with more loyalty to Israel that the USA
    The poor little Zionist State with all these “Evil Arabs” around them while having the Fifth biggest Nuclear arsenal in the World and the fourth most powerful army on the planet (75% of their budget goes for the IDF )
    Clinton or Trump WILL NOT CHANGE this situation in the contrary, they both have their nose all brown after visiting Netanyahu BEFORE even being elected…. ALL AIPAC Puppets $$$$ SAD !

    I RECOMMEND EVERYBODY to watch that Video showing Miko Peled an Israeli with guts who speak the truth:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32739.htm

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  68. Art says:
    @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    You spelled "Corrie" wrong.

    With imbeciles like you as their enemy it's no wonder the Jews have so much power.

    Sherm

    You spelled “Corrie” wrong.

    With imbeciles like you

    Yo Sherm,

    First thanks for the kind heads up – I will do my best to get my speling corect – thanks!

    I was wondering – what kind of a man runs over a girl with a bulldozer – a Ziombie?

    What kind of a culture celebrates it? Don’t tell me – a Ziombie culture?

    Yours – Art

    p.s. You sound on edge today – what no fresh Arab blood this morning?

    p.s. Hmm – I guess you Ziombies need the smell of fresh Arab blood, as a kick start in the AM.

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  69. romar says:

    “Develry of Saruman!” said Gandalf, between his teeth.
    Or, in other words, someone has bewitched America into this zombified generosity towards this little criminal state.

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  70. Miro23 says:

    The interest of Israel is to keep the host alive. If the US goes down the tubes $ 38 Billion won’t be worth anything.

    Equals, keep to the Soviet plan, and give the public just enough to survive and take the rest + look after your Nomenklatura (Congressional) collaborators.

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  71. Svigor says:

    I am not going to lose sleep over Israel getting one thousandth of yearly Federal outlays, then having to spend at least 50-70% of this with US defense companies. We spend billions each year making sure the Sunni Muslim Arab oil producers can securely transport (sell-profit) their oil to markets in Europe and Asia. This security is provided via the United States Navy and our military in general.

    Lots of weasel words in there. But that’s par for Zionists.

    What entitles Israel to any of our yearly federal outlays? What do we get in return? Sorry, I meant, what good do we get in return?

    How many billions do we spend on Sunnis each year, to ensure the flow of their oil? I won’t ask what we get out of it, because you already mentioned it: oil.

    It’s a $38 billion gift to US weapons manufacturers and their employees as well.

    Nope. A $38 billion gift to US industry need never touch Israeli hands. And Israelis would hardly lobby for it. But lying is par for course with Zionists. Jew steals from you, calls you greedy.

    I applaud the Obama Administration for agreeing to this deal.

    Hopefully it will ensure Israel’s security for years to come.

    At least this Zionist (with the terrorist handle) is honest. Honestly scummy, but honest.

    Missing from all this discussion, is the fact that we’re not just paying Israel off, but we’re also placating its neighbors Egypt, Jordan, with generous donations in order to provide Israel with a safe zone.

    Bingo. The money we give to those countries might as well go into the “to Israel” column, too.

    Actually it happens to be correct to a large extent. These annual amounts are designed to: (a) maintain Israel’s security advantage; it is here that advocacy groups exert their influence and (b) a decades long arrangement between the armaments interests in both countries where Israel modifies in varying degrees, certain equipment earmarked for sale to nations [in Africa, Asia minor, South America] where the U.S. cannot sell directly, for one reason or another.

    And of course, only our great friend Israel can perform this service. Jew robs your pockets, says he’s doing you a favor. (You seem like a decent fellow, Sam; stop repeating this arrogant, tone-deaf tripe).

    it’s called money laundering. instead of giving u.s. tax payer dollars directly to u.s. weapons manufactures, the money is laundered through israel.

    A service the Jews of Israel alone, among all the peoples of the world, can provide. We’re so very lucky to have them as friends!

    Nyeth moron. United States only imports 6% of its oil needs from the Middle East. The largest supplier of oil to the US is my country Canada followed by Mexico and Venezuela.

    Do Muslims have the two brain cells to rub together that are necessary to understand what would happen to the price of oil if only Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela were producing it?

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    Hopefully it will ensure Israel’s security for years to come.
     
    and Sam Shama @ #29:

    These annual amounts are designed to: (a) maintain Israel’s security advantage; it is here that advocacy groups exert their influence
     
    1. My neighborhood bookshop is advertising pocket-editions of the US Constitution. Maybe in that small format it's easy to miss the clauses that enjoin We the People to "ensure Israel's security."

    Perhaps one or another of our hi-IQ PhD commenters could enlighten us lowly taxpayers on where that obligation is stated in the Constitution of the U.S.A.

    2. Precisely what is a "security advantage?"
    I'm no lawyer but I used to know a few; they are masters of words and wordsmithing. As my mother-in-law used to say, "Lawyers can make you think black is white and white is black."

    So I think Americans should be wary that a US guarantee of "Israel's security advantage" would include an advantage that Israel would -- and most likely will, sooner or later -- exercise over the United States.
    In other words, American taxpayers are subsidizing their own demise.

    Once again, Sam Shama's mask comes off: he's so busy preening that he (inadvertently? arrogantly?) spills the beans.
    I liked Krushchev's shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you.
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  72. @RobinG
    Sam, you are the one who suggested (some months ago) that we (the anti-Z-Lobby) should take a page from their book and practice the effective model of AIPAC et al. Every time the Israeli spokespersons go on TV it's a theatrical performance. They speak from a script, carefully crafted to elicit the desired emotional response. Key phrases like "What would you do?" are droned into the American consciousness. (Other phrases, like "They want to eliminate you," are droned into the Israeli and ((diaspora??)) consciousness, inculcating fear in hopes of sustaining unity. Amicable interaction between Palestinians and Jews is anathema to the Israeli regime.)

    Viewers of the Ibsen-like piece will absorb the message. That they discover it's a play doesn't detract from that. Just as commercial cinema can be much more memorable than the evening news, such dramatization can be more effective than talking heads. Fight fire with fire. Theater is a valid form of expression. And this is Norwegian Wood, btw.

    So yes, whatever can be brought to the battle is justified. Israel has practiced brainwashing for years. See "Occupation of the American Mind" http://occupationoftheamericanmind.org/

    Really, see it, and don't complain is some artists fight fire with fire.

    Why the need for some kind of “lobby of liars” to combat obvious hasbara? The Israelis abuse and genocide of the Palestinian people is so clear and obvious that a simple statement of the truth is all that is needed. The fact that the American people cannot figure out that Israel is a nasty, racist, land-thief and mass killer (in Gaza) is a testament to the skillful lies of the Israeli Lobby as well as the mendacity of our politicians who accept their bribes/threats. You don’t have to lie to counter a lie, you just tell the truth. The truth overpowers the slick lies every time. Israeli lies will eventually put the liars heads in nooses. And our politicians (e.g. the Clintons) who take the Lobby’s money to enable the genocide, will eventually get their reward – another space upon the same gallows.

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  73. You underestimate the entity that Jeff Gates characterizes as “a multi-generational criminal gang.”

    The “multigenerational” qualification suggests that this Criminal Gang engages in long-term planning — legacy provision — and has a Plan B, C and D already in place.

    I suggest that yesterday’s override of Obama’s veto of H.R. 3815, Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3815/text is one such back-up plan.

    Here’s all I need to know to suspect that the Gang is the intended beneficiary of HR 3815, (and that Iran is the intended target — don’t be duped by all the blather about Saudi Arabia):

    1. Peter King introduced it
    2. Original co-sponsors were Rep. Nadler, Jerrold [D-NY-10]*
    Rep. Meehan, Patrick [R-PA-7]*
    Rep. Israel, Steve [D-NY-3]*
    Rep. Swalwell, Eric [D-CA-15]*
    Rep. Smith, Christopher H. [R-NJ-4]*
    Rep. Cohen, Steve [D-TN-9]*
    Rep. Fitzpatrick, Michael G. [R-PA-8]*
    Rep. Frelinghuysen, Rodney P. [R-NJ-11]*
    Ben Cardin [D-MD] cheer-led the bill

    3. The media megaphone insists that the bill is “very narrowly constructed,” but the actual Bill says:

    (b) Purpose.—The purpose of this Act is to provide civil litigants with the broadest possible basis, consistent with the Constitution of the United States, to seek relief against persons, entities, and foreign countries, wherever acting and wherever they may be found, that have provided material support, directly or indirectly, to foreign organizations or persons that engage in terrorist activities against the United States.

    4. Both the House and Senate voted almost unanimously to override the veto; that only happens when the Israel lobby (aka The Gang) ensures that it happens
    5. The text of the bill is reminiscent of the act that enabled the Nuremberg Trials — it’s one-sided; and the perps are sitting in judgment on the (intended) victims

    HOWEVER:

    As the PURPOSE paragraph, quoted above, states, HR 3815 is constructed to be used against

    foreign organizations or persons that engage in terrorist activities against the United States.

    Seems to me that includes the men who were killed and maimed on the USS Liberty, and their survivors.

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    Exactly. It would also apply to the Israeli art students, moving companies and other intelligence activity engaged in by Tel Aviv prior to 9/11. I would love to see discovery requiring the States of New Jersey and New York as well as the Federal government to turn over all their documents relating to the Israeli spying. You can make a plausible case that the Israelis had information that could have led to the disruption of 9/11 but that they chose to let it happen to get the US on board their political agenda.
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  74. @SolontoCroesus
    You underestimate the entity that Jeff Gates characterizes as "a multi-generational criminal gang."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbN2GEYW9w

    The "multigenerational" qualification suggests that this Criminal Gang engages in long-term planning -- legacy provision -- and has a Plan B, C and D already in place.

    I suggest that yesterday's override of Obama's veto of H.R. 3815, Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3815/text is one such back-up plan.

    Here's all I need to know to suspect that the Gang is the intended beneficiary of HR 3815, (and that Iran is the intended target -- don't be duped by all the blather about Saudi Arabia):

    1. Peter King introduced it
    2. Original co-sponsors were Rep. Nadler, Jerrold [D-NY-10]*
    Rep. Meehan, Patrick [R-PA-7]*
    Rep. Israel, Steve [D-NY-3]*
    Rep. Swalwell, Eric [D-CA-15]*
    Rep. Smith, Christopher H. [R-NJ-4]*
    Rep. Cohen, Steve [D-TN-9]*
    Rep. Fitzpatrick, Michael G. [R-PA-8]*
    Rep. Frelinghuysen, Rodney P. [R-NJ-11]*
    Ben Cardin [D-MD] cheer-led the bill

    3. The media megaphone insists that the bill is "very narrowly constructed," but the actual Bill says:

    (b) Purpose.—The purpose of this Act is to provide civil litigants with the broadest possible basis, consistent with the Constitution of the United States, to seek relief against persons, entities, and foreign countries, wherever acting and wherever they may be found, that have provided material support, directly or indirectly, to foreign organizations or persons that engage in terrorist activities against the United States.
     
    4. Both the House and Senate voted almost unanimously to override the veto; that only happens when the Israel lobby (aka The Gang) ensures that it happens
    5. The text of the bill is reminiscent of the act that enabled the Nuremberg Trials -- it's one-sided; and the perps are sitting in judgment on the (intended) victims

    HOWEVER:

    As the PURPOSE paragraph, quoted above, states, HR 3815 is constructed to be used against

    foreign organizations or persons that engage in terrorist activities against the United States.

    Seems to me that includes the men who were killed and maimed on the USS Liberty, and their survivors.

    Exactly. It would also apply to the Israeli art students, moving companies and other intelligence activity engaged in by Tel Aviv prior to 9/11. I would love to see discovery requiring the States of New Jersey and New York as well as the Federal government to turn over all their documents relating to the Israeli spying. You can make a plausible case that the Israelis had information that could have led to the disruption of 9/11 but that they chose to let it happen to get the US on board their political agenda.

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  75. @SolontoCroesus
    What extraordinary arrogance, Sam.

    USA does not need Israel to produce or sell weapons.

    Is there something in Jewish communion wine that causes you to think the USA could not manage its own affairs but needs Israel to act as its Mercurian?

    Well, come to think of it, Israel does provide the Pentagon with the service of stealing and selling to “enemy nations” the latest advanced weapons systems. Which in turn creates the need to rush an even more sophisticated weapons system into production to the compete with the one just stolen. This slight-of hand method for raiding the US treasury has been going on for 60 years or more. Friends like that are hard to come by, so they need to be taken care of.

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  76. “The point is that giving Israel $38 billion over ten years is robbery pure and simple having nothing whatsoever to do with anyone’s security. It is stealing from the American taxpayer”

    But that’s what governments Do.

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  77. @Astuteobservor II
    I am surprised that it is only 38 billion, given how servile us politicians are when it comes to israel.

    Obama might, possibly be due a little credit for holding the ransom at 38 billion, when it could have so easily been 55 billion, and maybe more, if any other Democrat or Republican had been in the White House.

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  78. @Svigor

    I am not going to lose sleep over Israel getting one thousandth of yearly Federal outlays, then having to spend at least 50-70% of this with US defense companies. We spend billions each year making sure the Sunni Muslim Arab oil producers can securely transport (sell-profit) their oil to markets in Europe and Asia. This security is provided via the United States Navy and our military in general.
     
    Lots of weasel words in there. But that's par for Zionists.

    What entitles Israel to any of our yearly federal outlays? What do we get in return? Sorry, I meant, what good do we get in return?

    How many billions do we spend on Sunnis each year, to ensure the flow of their oil? I won't ask what we get out of it, because you already mentioned it: oil.

    It’s a $38 billion gift to US weapons manufacturers and their employees as well.
     
    Nope. A $38 billion gift to US industry need never touch Israeli hands. And Israelis would hardly lobby for it. But lying is par for course with Zionists. Jew steals from you, calls you greedy.

    I applaud the Obama Administration for agreeing to this deal.

    Hopefully it will ensure Israel’s security for years to come.
     
    At least this Zionist (with the terrorist handle) is honest. Honestly scummy, but honest.

    Missing from all this discussion, is the fact that we’re not just paying Israel off, but we’re also placating its neighbors Egypt, Jordan, with generous donations in order to provide Israel with a safe zone.
     
    Bingo. The money we give to those countries might as well go into the "to Israel" column, too.

    Actually it happens to be correct to a large extent. These annual amounts are designed to: (a) maintain Israel’s security advantage; it is here that advocacy groups exert their influence and (b) a decades long arrangement between the armaments interests in both countries where Israel modifies in varying degrees, certain equipment earmarked for sale to nations [in Africa, Asia minor, South America] where the U.S. cannot sell directly, for one reason or another.
     
    And of course, only our great friend Israel can perform this service. Jew robs your pockets, says he's doing you a favor. (You seem like a decent fellow, Sam; stop repeating this arrogant, tone-deaf tripe).

    it’s called money laundering. instead of giving u.s. tax payer dollars directly to u.s. weapons manufactures, the money is laundered through israel.
     
    A service the Jews of Israel alone, among all the peoples of the world, can provide. We're so very lucky to have them as friends!

    Nyeth moron. United States only imports 6% of its oil needs from the Middle East. The largest supplier of oil to the US is my country Canada followed by Mexico and Venezuela.
     
    Do Muslims have the two brain cells to rub together that are necessary to understand what would happen to the price of oil if only Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela were producing it?

    Hopefully it will ensure Israel’s security for years to come.

    and Sam Shama @ #29:

    These annual amounts are designed to: (a) maintain Israel’s security advantage; it is here that advocacy groups exert their influence

    1. My neighborhood bookshop is advertising pocket-editions of the US Constitution. Maybe in that small format it’s easy to miss the clauses that enjoin We the People to “ensure Israel’s security.”

    Perhaps one or another of our hi-IQ PhD commenters could enlighten us lowly taxpayers on where that obligation is stated in the Constitution of the U.S.A.

    2. Precisely what is a “security advantage?”
    I’m no lawyer but I used to know a few; they are masters of words and wordsmithing. As my mother-in-law used to say, “Lawyers can make you think black is white and white is black.”

    So I think Americans should be wary that a US guarantee of “Israel’s security advantage” would include an advantage that Israel would — and most likely will, sooner or later — exercise over the United States.
    In other words, American taxpayers are subsidizing their own demise.

    Once again, Sam Shama’s mask comes off: he’s so busy preening that he (inadvertently? arrogantly?) spills the beans.
    I liked Krushchev’s shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you.

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    Actually, the US aid to Israel - which is a nuclear power that refuses to sign Nuclear Proliferation Treaty (NPR) - violates the US law:
    "The law banning aid to any nuclear-armed country which is not a signatory to the NPF came about in 1976, when the so-called “Symington Amendment” was passed by Congress. http://newobserveronline.com/us-aid-israel-illegal/
    The thieving aid to Israel is a crime.
    , @Sam Shama


    2. Precisely what is a “security advantage?”I’m no lawyer but I used to know a few;

     

    I doubt there is any prospect of mistaking you for a true lawyer, or any of your friends in the profession for that matter, busy as they are in all likelihood chasing ambulances as we speak. So I'd advise you to unpack your Italian kitsch collection and be on your way should you have any longing to catch up with them.

    Now, having completely misunderstood the import of my previous post - I'm quite used to it - you've started the usual blather, "My neighborhood bookshop is advertising pocket-editions of the US Constitution. " et cetera, et cetera.

    Understanding the law and how it is made is crucial if you wish to effect change [that is a hint]. Acts once passed are effective; their constitutionality can be challenged. I suggest you do that, for President Ronald Reagan was the first president to explicitly commit to Israel’s qualitative military edge—an assurance that every subsequent administration has repeated. The commitment to maintaining Israel’s qualitative military edge was only formally written into law in September 2008, with the passage of H.R. 7177, commonly known as The Naval Vessel Transfer Act of 2008.


    https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/house-bill/7177

    Title II: United States Arms Exports - (Sec. 201) Directs the President to: (1) carry out an ongoing assessment of the extent to which Israel possesses a qualitative military edge (as defined by this Act) over military threats; (2) use such assessment in reviewing applications to sell defense articles and services under the Arms Export Control Act to a Middle Eastern country other than Israel; and (3) submit an initial report on such assessment to the appropriate congressional committees by June 30, 2009, and then every four years thereafter.
     
    I suggest lederhosen will pair well with your ...what was it , Spaghettini shoes? as you catch up with your legal fratenity.
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  79. @SolontoCroesus

    As always, an excellent article that you won’t see in the MSM
     
    Many of the callers to C Span's Washington Journal program praise it as the best in the business, far more "fair and balanced" than any other MSM outlet.

    This morning moderator Greta Brawner invited C Span listeners to opine on the debates.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?415504-2/washington-journal-viewer-reaction-first-presidential-debate
    Just before 9:00 am, (2 hours into the program) Charles from Jackson, Georgia, a Trump supporter, said

    "Hillary is just for business as usual; we need somebody in there who knows how to spend a dollar bill, okay? We wasted -- we're $20billion in debt! Nobody wants to address the problem. How can they continue to create bills and spend more money, and give away money to people like Iran, when we say we don't have money at home to do this and do that, is beyond comprehension! And that's your government as it stands which is very very democratic, they want everybody to have free ride. "

    At this point Brawner interrupted the caller, not to correct his obvious error of fact -- the USA is not "giving money to Iran," it is paying off a debt and/or returning to Iran funds that belong to Iran.
    Rather, Brawner asked a meaningless question about the caller's past voting record.

    CAMERA monitors the Washington Journal program and complains bitterly and names-and-shames moderators personally when Israel/Jews are, in CAMERA's jaundiced opinion, criticized and mods fail to correct offending callers.

    Charles's comments this morning contained an obvious error of fact in a situation which is of critical importance to the voting public.

    Why did C Span moderator Greta Brawner fail to inform the C Span audience that the USA is not giving US money to Iran, but that it is giving billions of dollars to Israel?

    The Unz forum, and Phil Giraldi's articles, are useful correctives to such MSM misinformation.
    Spread the word.
    Let Greta Brawner and C Span know that they are are derelict in their journalist duties to American voters

    email GRETA BRAWNER and C Span:
    gbrawner@c-span.org,
    journal@c-span.org,
    viewer@c-span.org,

    Twitter:
    @gretabrawner (https://twitter.com/gretabrawner),
    @cspanwj,

    facebook.com/cspan

    Serving as a c-span moderator would have to rank right-up-there with the toughest job outside that of White House Press Secretary. And probably much more so since Helen Thomas’ banishment for asking embarrassing questions relating to Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine and undeclared stockpile of nuclear weapons.

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  80. @Art
    Say Sherm - is the murder of Rachel Corry a national holiday in Israel yet? - Art

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX18zUp6WPY

    If not, it will be. Count on the Rachel Corrie festivities to be held on Jonathon Pollard Square. (formally Jerusalem Square)

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  81. @Carroll Price
    If not, it will be. Count on the Rachel Corrie festivities to be held on Jonathon Pollard Square. (formally Jerusalem Square)
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  82. annamaria says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hopefully it will ensure Israel’s security for years to come.
     
    and Sam Shama @ #29:

    These annual amounts are designed to: (a) maintain Israel’s security advantage; it is here that advocacy groups exert their influence
     
    1. My neighborhood bookshop is advertising pocket-editions of the US Constitution. Maybe in that small format it's easy to miss the clauses that enjoin We the People to "ensure Israel's security."

    Perhaps one or another of our hi-IQ PhD commenters could enlighten us lowly taxpayers on where that obligation is stated in the Constitution of the U.S.A.

    2. Precisely what is a "security advantage?"
    I'm no lawyer but I used to know a few; they are masters of words and wordsmithing. As my mother-in-law used to say, "Lawyers can make you think black is white and white is black."

    So I think Americans should be wary that a US guarantee of "Israel's security advantage" would include an advantage that Israel would -- and most likely will, sooner or later -- exercise over the United States.
    In other words, American taxpayers are subsidizing their own demise.

    Once again, Sam Shama's mask comes off: he's so busy preening that he (inadvertently? arrogantly?) spills the beans.
    I liked Krushchev's shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you.

    Actually, the US aid to Israel – which is a nuclear power that refuses to sign Nuclear Proliferation Treaty (NPR) – violates the US law:
    “The law banning aid to any nuclear-armed country which is not a signatory to the NPF came about in 1976, when the so-called “Symington Amendment” was passed by Congress. http://newobserveronline.com/us-aid-israel-illegal/
    The thieving aid to Israel is a crime.

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  83. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hopefully it will ensure Israel’s security for years to come.
     
    and Sam Shama @ #29:

    These annual amounts are designed to: (a) maintain Israel’s security advantage; it is here that advocacy groups exert their influence
     
    1. My neighborhood bookshop is advertising pocket-editions of the US Constitution. Maybe in that small format it's easy to miss the clauses that enjoin We the People to "ensure Israel's security."

    Perhaps one or another of our hi-IQ PhD commenters could enlighten us lowly taxpayers on where that obligation is stated in the Constitution of the U.S.A.

    2. Precisely what is a "security advantage?"
    I'm no lawyer but I used to know a few; they are masters of words and wordsmithing. As my mother-in-law used to say, "Lawyers can make you think black is white and white is black."

    So I think Americans should be wary that a US guarantee of "Israel's security advantage" would include an advantage that Israel would -- and most likely will, sooner or later -- exercise over the United States.
    In other words, American taxpayers are subsidizing their own demise.

    Once again, Sam Shama's mask comes off: he's so busy preening that he (inadvertently? arrogantly?) spills the beans.
    I liked Krushchev's shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you.

    2. Precisely what is a “security advantage?”I’m no lawyer but I used to know a few;

    I doubt there is any prospect of mistaking you for a true lawyer, or any of your friends in the profession for that matter, busy as they are in all likelihood chasing ambulances as we speak. So I’d advise you to unpack your Italian kitsch collection and be on your way should you have any longing to catch up with them.

    Now, having completely misunderstood the import of my previous post – I’m quite used to it – you’ve started the usual blather, “My neighborhood bookshop is advertising pocket-editions of the US Constitution. ” et cetera, et cetera.

    Understanding the law and how it is made is crucial if you wish to effect change [that is a hint]. Acts once passed are effective; their constitutionality can be challenged. I suggest you do that, for President Ronald Reagan was the first president to explicitly commit to Israel’s qualitative military edge—an assurance that every subsequent administration has repeated. The commitment to maintaining Israel’s qualitative military edge was only formally written into law in September 2008, with the passage of H.R. 7177, commonly known as The Naval Vessel Transfer Act of 2008.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/house-bill/7177

    Title II: United States Arms Exports – (Sec. 201) Directs the President to: (1) carry out an ongoing assessment of the extent to which Israel possesses a qualitative military edge (as defined by this Act) over military threats; (2) use such assessment in reviewing applications to sell defense articles and services under the Arms Export Control Act to a Middle Eastern country other than Israel; and (3) submit an initial report on such assessment to the appropriate congressional committees by June 30, 2009, and then every four years thereafter.

    I suggest lederhosen will pair well with your …what was it , Spaghettini shoes? as you catch up with your legal fratenity.

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    Understanding the law and how it is made is crucial if you wish to effect change [that is a hint].
     
    Sam, tell us something new. We all know why congress is referred to as Knesset West. The Lobby has a stranglehold on the political process, no doubt about it. That said, there is a fundamental problem with this strategy - i.e., since the interests of another foreign entity are being promoted, the Lobby's success is coming at the expense of the American people. The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit. When Hillary is coronated in January 2017 and takes the special relationship to the next level, she will be putting the finishing touches on PNAC's game plan - remaking the ME to secure the villa in the jungle. After expending even more blood and treasure, a tipping point will have been reached, at which point a sufficient number of Americans will come to realize what most of us Unz commenters already realize - that America is being bled dry by the Israel firsters. I, myself, have been ringing the alarm bell, warning whoever will listen of what may lie ahead. Unfortunately, just as Cassandra, my destiny is such that my warnings will go unheeded.
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  84. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama


    2. Precisely what is a “security advantage?”I’m no lawyer but I used to know a few;

     

    I doubt there is any prospect of mistaking you for a true lawyer, or any of your friends in the profession for that matter, busy as they are in all likelihood chasing ambulances as we speak. So I'd advise you to unpack your Italian kitsch collection and be on your way should you have any longing to catch up with them.

    Now, having completely misunderstood the import of my previous post - I'm quite used to it - you've started the usual blather, "My neighborhood bookshop is advertising pocket-editions of the US Constitution. " et cetera, et cetera.

    Understanding the law and how it is made is crucial if you wish to effect change [that is a hint]. Acts once passed are effective; their constitutionality can be challenged. I suggest you do that, for President Ronald Reagan was the first president to explicitly commit to Israel’s qualitative military edge—an assurance that every subsequent administration has repeated. The commitment to maintaining Israel’s qualitative military edge was only formally written into law in September 2008, with the passage of H.R. 7177, commonly known as The Naval Vessel Transfer Act of 2008.


    https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/house-bill/7177

    Title II: United States Arms Exports - (Sec. 201) Directs the President to: (1) carry out an ongoing assessment of the extent to which Israel possesses a qualitative military edge (as defined by this Act) over military threats; (2) use such assessment in reviewing applications to sell defense articles and services under the Arms Export Control Act to a Middle Eastern country other than Israel; and (3) submit an initial report on such assessment to the appropriate congressional committees by June 30, 2009, and then every four years thereafter.
     
    I suggest lederhosen will pair well with your ...what was it , Spaghettini shoes? as you catch up with your legal fratenity.

    Understanding the law and how it is made is crucial if you wish to effect change [that is a hint].

    Sam, tell us something new. We all know why congress is referred to as Knesset West. The Lobby has a stranglehold on the political process, no doubt about it. That said, there is a fundamental problem with this strategy – i.e., since the interests of another foreign entity are being promoted, the Lobby’s success is coming at the expense of the American people. The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit. When Hillary is coronated in January 2017 and takes the special relationship to the next level, she will be putting the finishing touches on PNAC’s game plan – remaking the ME to secure the villa in the jungle. After expending even more blood and treasure, a tipping point will have been reached, at which point a sufficient number of Americans will come to realize what most of us Unz commenters already realize – that America is being bled dry by the Israel firsters. I, myself, have been ringing the alarm bell, warning whoever will listen of what may lie ahead. Unfortunately, just as Cassandra, my destiny is such that my warnings will go unheeded.

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    Hi Geo,
    Of course I wasn't attempting to, nor gainsay the Knesset West branding for our congress. Had I in my possession the swift and sure means of disassembling the structure I'd share it forthwith. S2C has the inimitable gift of stringing together the most unlikely matters, and then unfailingly droning back to his familiar refrain, "I liked Krushchev’s shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you." Talking of masks, the man openly and frequently trumpets his desire to bury Jews. I am aware that more than a few around here should love to do so, only reality intrudes. Does he think he can actually do this? I wonder.......

    In the end the people elect their Congress and President. What does that tell us about choices made for so many decades? Are they totally, irredeemably, uninformed? Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation's dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel's case. Haven't you noticed what DT is doing? Do you reckon anything in that regard will change if he wins? So I submit what we need to do first is to grapple with what we have on our hands, which is the outcome of a majoritarian system.

    [The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit.]

    Well, far be it for me to launch into a defence of the advocacy groups, and while I note Phil's remark regarding the fungibility of money, I am certain that precious little of the "military aid" ever touched the living economies of common people in either the U.S. or Israel, being entirely the exclusive simoleon of armaments interests, which in any case always remain untouched by irritating things like taxation. I didn't quite understand the connection to Detroit.

    I had mentioned to Robin that actions in court are useless [I think she took that as an expression of sanguine arrogance; it wasn't] . I've begun to realise that this process of changing minds of ethnic groups is going to be a long process. There are some deeply held beliefs in these United States which are not suggestible to easy change.

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  85. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Understanding the law and how it is made is crucial if you wish to effect change [that is a hint].
     
    Sam, tell us something new. We all know why congress is referred to as Knesset West. The Lobby has a stranglehold on the political process, no doubt about it. That said, there is a fundamental problem with this strategy - i.e., since the interests of another foreign entity are being promoted, the Lobby's success is coming at the expense of the American people. The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit. When Hillary is coronated in January 2017 and takes the special relationship to the next level, she will be putting the finishing touches on PNAC's game plan - remaking the ME to secure the villa in the jungle. After expending even more blood and treasure, a tipping point will have been reached, at which point a sufficient number of Americans will come to realize what most of us Unz commenters already realize - that America is being bled dry by the Israel firsters. I, myself, have been ringing the alarm bell, warning whoever will listen of what may lie ahead. Unfortunately, just as Cassandra, my destiny is such that my warnings will go unheeded.

    [Sam, tell us something new. ]

    Hi Geo,
    Of course I wasn’t attempting to, nor gainsay the Knesset West branding for our congress. Had I in my possession the swift and sure means of disassembling the structure I’d share it forthwith. S2C has the inimitable gift of stringing together the most unlikely matters, and then unfailingly droning back to his familiar refrain, “I liked Krushchev’s shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you.” Talking of masks, the man openly and frequently trumpets his desire to bury Jews. I am aware that more than a few around here should love to do so, only reality intrudes. Does he think he can actually do this? I wonder…….

    In the end the people elect their Congress and President. What does that tell us about choices made for so many decades? Are they totally, irredeemably, uninformed? Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case. Haven’t you noticed what DT is doing? Do you reckon anything in that regard will change if he wins? So I submit what we need to do first is to grapple with what we have on our hands, which is the outcome of a majoritarian system.

    [The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit.]

    Well, far be it for me to launch into a defence of the advocacy groups, and while I note Phil’s remark regarding the fungibility of money, I am certain that precious little of the “military aid” ever touched the living economies of common people in either the U.S. or Israel, being entirely the exclusive simoleon of armaments interests, which in any case always remain untouched by irritating things like taxation. I didn’t quite understand the connection to Detroit.

    I had mentioned to Robin that actions in court are useless [I think she took that as an expression of sanguine arrogance; it wasn't] . I’ve begun to realise that this process of changing minds of ethnic groups is going to be a long process. There are some deeply held beliefs in these United States which are not suggestible to easy change.

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    Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case.
     
    Sorry, Sam, but do you really believe the things you write? And you wonder why I keep using the phrase "dumb goy"? If we rewind the tape to before 2001, 1967, 1948, the American people didn't have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA. Most probably thought they were dishes you could find in a middle eastern restaurant. And you have the "chutzpah" to claim it's in the nation's dna?

    Speaking of chutzpah, do you recall our little debate on the meaning of term "goyim"? Well, I came across some interesting information posted on a website hosted by the Santa Barbara Jewish Connection. It is quite revealing about the origins of various selected Yiddish words and phrases... "to impress your friends and family." Here are a few of the words they've included:

    shiksa = A gentile girl or woman. Yiddish shikse, from Hebrew šiqṣāh (from šeqeṣ ‘detested thing’ + the feminine suffix -āh ).

    Shegetz = Yiddish racial and religious epithet that has entered English to refer to a non-Jewish boy or young man.

    The slur shegetz, like its feminine counterpart shiksa, comes from the Hebrew sheketz ("detestable," "abomination", "loathed", "blemish")

    Oh, and wouldn't you know it, the word "goy" is also one of the words included:

    GOY: A derogatory term meaning gentile, goyim is the plural, and goyisher is the adjective.

    http://www.sbjf.org/sbjco/schmaltz/yiddish_phrases.htm

    Now you know why I always use the phrase, "dumb goy."

    I didn’t quite understand the connection to Detroit.
     
    You must have missed this comment I recently posted:

    A must see for every American is the documentary Detroit on Fire, a look at the arson/vacant home problem in Detroit through the eyes of the Detroit Fire Department.

    https://youtu.be/pDoUpXNmcZA

    The newly appointed fire department chief is told to make do with a paltry budget in trying to fight all the fires. We learn that because of these budget constraints, Detroit has insufficient funds to repair, let alone purchase new, fire trucks. As a result, the FD didn’t have a functioning fire truck to put out a fire that consumed the life of a little 3-yr old girl.

    Here’s how one American reacted, by posting the following comment in the comments section of YouTube:

    We have no money for this, we have no money for that. And this, by a long way, is the richest country in the world? what the f*ck is going on????

    As Mark rightly points out, because of how the media “filters the information and shapes the narrative,” few Americans can connect the dots. Few realize that the little 3-yr old girl perished because there is no money to repair/purchase fire trucks because all the money (trillions of dollars) is being spent to enhance the security of the people living in the villa in the jungle, while 45 million Americans rely on food stamps, 1 million about to lose them. That’s one in seven Americans that still depend on food stamps (Bloomberg News.Feb 4, 2016).

    Can you imagine how the trillions of dollars spent on securing Israel could be put to use in America to revitalize their schools, hospitals, and infrastructure? Instead, because of the influence of The Lobby, these vast sums of money are being redirected to fight the bogus war on terror (aka War on Islam), a front to remake MENA by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist project, all in an effort to protect the people residing in the villa in the jungle, not those residing in America, whose villa is slowly but surely being transformed into a veritable jungle.
     
    , @RobinG
    S2 can be abrasive, but is not anti-Jew per se. It's the Big (hypocritical, treacherous) Ones that draw the ire. And the caution (from Art and S2) is that the machinations of the Big Jews will ultimately harm the (Little) average Jews.

    S2's antagonism towards you may be like my antipathy for Rebecca Vilkomerson, the JVP Executive Director who recently declared Miko Peled unfit for the movement (for "Palestinian rights").

    So, now Vilkomerson has issued a lame and unconvincing apology of sorts, but only after many (small) JVP members complained. Her pretense that it was a semantic misunderstanding isn't fooling anyone, and this stacks up with her prolonged and despicable attack on Alison Weir last year. Plus, what about the little Jew who doubled down (on FB) on the condemnation, saying that Peled isn't entitled to passionate advocacy?

    So this little guy doesn't want any real criticism of Israel, but does want to control the narrative here in the US for the benefit of......what? Of Jews? Of Israel? You see where this is going? Was a bargain made, or a threat? Will Vilkomerson keep the pressure on Miko to use only JVP-approved language in talks and tweets?
    , @RobinG
    I almost forgot: this Big Criminal is gone at last, and unfortunately our President has to pay tribute. So obvious, one man's terrorist is another's (in this case a country's) national hero.

    "Shimon Peres, who passed away Wednesday aged 93 after suffering a stroke on 13 September, epitomised the disparity between Israel’s image in the West and the reality of its bloody, colonial policies in Palestine and the wider region."
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160928-shimon-peres-israeli-war-criminal-whose-victims-the-west-ignored/
    , @SolontoCroesus
    this one's a doozie as well:

    In the end the people elect their Congress and President.

    What does that tell us about choices made for so many decades? Are they totally, irredeemably, uninformed? Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel?
     
    This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case. Haven’t you noticed what DT is doing? Do you reckon anything in that regard will change if he wins? So I submit what we need to do first is to grapple with what we have on our hands, which is the outcome of a majoritarian system.
     
    just gotta laugh.

    You're like the dude who paid some girl to go the prom with you, practically held a gun to her head to make her actually dance with you, then convinced yourself she's head over heels in love w/ you.

    As for "

    This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case.
     
    --- that's downright hateful. It's also wrong-headed. Is that how Jewish people think? It's not how I was raised, and not how we raised our children to think.

    To the extent there is an anti-Muslim sentiment in USA it is the result of "this nation" having been brainwashed relentlessly by, primarily, Jewish masters of media; the American people are so thoroughly dumbed down that they can be induced to hate their grandmothers, once Robert Aumann and Frank Luntz get thru with them.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    RobinG is probably right, S2C is unnecessarily and ineffectually abrasive, and Phil is keeping a comment in moderation, so maybe I better moderate my tone.

    Sam wrote:

    This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case.
     
    "In the DNA?" Why is it ok for westerners to say, "It's in the DNA" but Germany got destroyed when some German leaders talked about characteristics being "in the blood?"

    However did such "inexplicable antipathies" get to be "in the DNA?" Out of thin air? Was it always that way? If not, when did it start?

    Here's a clue: this op ed by Moshe Ya'alon appeared in today's LA Times. It warns that "Iran is a bigger threat than ISIS."


    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-yaalon-iran-threat-20160929-snap-story.html

    It popped up on a Yahoo web page. Every day, every single fricking day there are at least two, sometimes three articles at the top of the Yahoo news feed that demonize Iran. I gather the major media outlets and pundits routinely demonize Iran, and mischaracterize the money that the US paid to Iran.

    It's seems beyond doubt that Jews dominate media in USA. That is, Jews dominate the information the American people receive via media outlets about Iran.
    And it is relentlessly negative and blatantly dishonestly so.
    But the American people have no way of knowing that the information they receive about Iran is dishonest because alternative voices are censored.

    If what applies to Iran applies to Muslims in general, which is a not unreasonable claim to make, since it can be easily demonstrated that there are almost as many articles in MSM that demonize and lie about Muslims (in general) as about Iran, then it is not at all "inexplicable" that the American people have an "antipathy" toward Muslims, but it's not because of some freakish DNA, it's because they have been systematically misinformed -- lied to.

    Inasmuch as the very same pattern of demonizing and lying about a target group was executed against Germany pre-WWI and again pre-WWII, and by the same entities -- media outlets controlled predominantly by Jews -- then the more pertinent question to ask is whether there is something "inexplicably antipathetic" in the DNA of those who purvey the lies and vilification of their target-du-jour.
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  86. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    [Sam, tell us something new. ]

    Hi Geo,
    Of course I wasn't attempting to, nor gainsay the Knesset West branding for our congress. Had I in my possession the swift and sure means of disassembling the structure I'd share it forthwith. S2C has the inimitable gift of stringing together the most unlikely matters, and then unfailingly droning back to his familiar refrain, "I liked Krushchev’s shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you." Talking of masks, the man openly and frequently trumpets his desire to bury Jews. I am aware that more than a few around here should love to do so, only reality intrudes. Does he think he can actually do this? I wonder.......

    In the end the people elect their Congress and President. What does that tell us about choices made for so many decades? Are they totally, irredeemably, uninformed? Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation's dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel's case. Haven't you noticed what DT is doing? Do you reckon anything in that regard will change if he wins? So I submit what we need to do first is to grapple with what we have on our hands, which is the outcome of a majoritarian system.

    [The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit.]

    Well, far be it for me to launch into a defence of the advocacy groups, and while I note Phil's remark regarding the fungibility of money, I am certain that precious little of the "military aid" ever touched the living economies of common people in either the U.S. or Israel, being entirely the exclusive simoleon of armaments interests, which in any case always remain untouched by irritating things like taxation. I didn't quite understand the connection to Detroit.

    I had mentioned to Robin that actions in court are useless [I think she took that as an expression of sanguine arrogance; it wasn't] . I've begun to realise that this process of changing minds of ethnic groups is going to be a long process. There are some deeply held beliefs in these United States which are not suggestible to easy change.

    Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case.

    Sorry, Sam, but do you really believe the things you write? And you wonder why I keep using the phrase “dumb goy”? If we rewind the tape to before 2001, 1967, 1948, the American people didn’t have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA. Most probably thought they were dishes you could find in a middle eastern restaurant. And you have the “chutzpah” to claim it’s in the nation’s dna?

    Speaking of chutzpah, do you recall our little debate on the meaning of term “goyim”? Well, I came across some interesting information posted on a website hosted by the Santa Barbara Jewish Connection. It is quite revealing about the origins of various selected Yiddish words and phrases… “to impress your friends and family.” Here are a few of the words they’ve included:

    shiksa = A gentile girl or woman. Yiddish shikse, from Hebrew šiqṣāh (from šeqeṣ ‘detested thing’ + the feminine suffix -āh ).

    Shegetz = Yiddish racial and religious epithet that has entered English to refer to a non-Jewish boy or young man.

    The slur shegetz, like its feminine counterpart shiksa, comes from the Hebrew sheketz (“detestable,” “abomination”, “loathed”, “blemish”)

    Oh, and wouldn’t you know it, the word “goy” is also one of the words included:

    GOY: A derogatory term meaning gentile, goyim is the plural, and goyisher is the adjective.

    http://www.sbjf.org/sbjco/schmaltz/yiddish_phrases.htm

    Now you know why I always use the phrase, “dumb goy.”

    I didn’t quite understand the connection to Detroit.

    You must have missed this comment I recently posted:

    A must see for every American is the documentary Detroit on Fire, a look at the arson/vacant home problem in Detroit through the eyes of the Detroit Fire Department.

    The newly appointed fire department chief is told to make do with a paltry budget in trying to fight all the fires. We learn that because of these budget constraints, Detroit has insufficient funds to repair, let alone purchase new, fire trucks. As a result, the FD didn’t have a functioning fire truck to put out a fire that consumed the life of a little 3-yr old girl.

    Here’s how one American reacted, by posting the following comment in the comments section of YouTube:

    We have no money for this, we have no money for that. And this, by a long way, is the richest country in the world? what the f*ck is going on????

    As Mark rightly points out, because of how the media “filters the information and shapes the narrative,” few Americans can connect the dots. Few realize that the little 3-yr old girl perished because there is no money to repair/purchase fire trucks because all the money (trillions of dollars) is being spent to enhance the security of the people living in the villa in the jungle, while 45 million Americans rely on food stamps, 1 million about to lose them. That’s one in seven Americans that still depend on food stamps (Bloomberg News.Feb 4, 2016).

    Can you imagine how the trillions of dollars spent on securing Israel could be put to use in America to revitalize their schools, hospitals, and infrastructure? Instead, because of the influence of The Lobby, these vast sums of money are being redirected to fight the bogus war on terror (aka War on Islam), a front to remake MENA by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist project, all in an effort to protect the people residing in the villa in the jungle, not those residing in America, whose villa is slowly but surely being transformed into a veritable jungle.

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    the American people didn’t have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA.

    Most of them still don't know which countries are which or which city is in which country. So what's your point?

    Sam is talking about the people in this country who are quite at ease with Israel being the home of God's Chosen People.

    Now, you are quite put out by that idea but that does not change the fact that most Americans think of Israel as an ally and much prefer it over any of the Arab or Muslim countries.
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  87. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case.
     
    Sorry, Sam, but do you really believe the things you write? And you wonder why I keep using the phrase "dumb goy"? If we rewind the tape to before 2001, 1967, 1948, the American people didn't have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA. Most probably thought they were dishes you could find in a middle eastern restaurant. And you have the "chutzpah" to claim it's in the nation's dna?

    Speaking of chutzpah, do you recall our little debate on the meaning of term "goyim"? Well, I came across some interesting information posted on a website hosted by the Santa Barbara Jewish Connection. It is quite revealing about the origins of various selected Yiddish words and phrases... "to impress your friends and family." Here are a few of the words they've included:

    shiksa = A gentile girl or woman. Yiddish shikse, from Hebrew šiqṣāh (from šeqeṣ ‘detested thing’ + the feminine suffix -āh ).

    Shegetz = Yiddish racial and religious epithet that has entered English to refer to a non-Jewish boy or young man.

    The slur shegetz, like its feminine counterpart shiksa, comes from the Hebrew sheketz ("detestable," "abomination", "loathed", "blemish")

    Oh, and wouldn't you know it, the word "goy" is also one of the words included:

    GOY: A derogatory term meaning gentile, goyim is the plural, and goyisher is the adjective.

    http://www.sbjf.org/sbjco/schmaltz/yiddish_phrases.htm

    Now you know why I always use the phrase, "dumb goy."

    I didn’t quite understand the connection to Detroit.
     
    You must have missed this comment I recently posted:

    A must see for every American is the documentary Detroit on Fire, a look at the arson/vacant home problem in Detroit through the eyes of the Detroit Fire Department.

    https://youtu.be/pDoUpXNmcZA

    The newly appointed fire department chief is told to make do with a paltry budget in trying to fight all the fires. We learn that because of these budget constraints, Detroit has insufficient funds to repair, let alone purchase new, fire trucks. As a result, the FD didn’t have a functioning fire truck to put out a fire that consumed the life of a little 3-yr old girl.

    Here’s how one American reacted, by posting the following comment in the comments section of YouTube:

    We have no money for this, we have no money for that. And this, by a long way, is the richest country in the world? what the f*ck is going on????

    As Mark rightly points out, because of how the media “filters the information and shapes the narrative,” few Americans can connect the dots. Few realize that the little 3-yr old girl perished because there is no money to repair/purchase fire trucks because all the money (trillions of dollars) is being spent to enhance the security of the people living in the villa in the jungle, while 45 million Americans rely on food stamps, 1 million about to lose them. That’s one in seven Americans that still depend on food stamps (Bloomberg News.Feb 4, 2016).

    Can you imagine how the trillions of dollars spent on securing Israel could be put to use in America to revitalize their schools, hospitals, and infrastructure? Instead, because of the influence of The Lobby, these vast sums of money are being redirected to fight the bogus war on terror (aka War on Islam), a front to remake MENA by regime changing those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist project, all in an effort to protect the people residing in the villa in the jungle, not those residing in America, whose villa is slowly but surely being transformed into a veritable jungle.
     

    the American people didn’t have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA.

    Most of them still don’t know which countries are which or which city is in which country. So what’s your point?

    Sam is talking about the people in this country who are quite at ease with Israel being the home of God’s Chosen People.

    Now, you are quite put out by that idea but that does not change the fact that most Americans think of Israel as an ally and much prefer it over any of the Arab or Muslim countries.

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    Precisely. I suppose I failed to make the point. The stubborn fact still is this:
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx
    I have no insights as to why, and my value judgements on this matter in any case would hardly be received seriously.

    Also, Geo, all that Yiddish is makes me nostalgic for the Fiddler. Trust me, American Jews do not view gentiles in the manner you are trying to portray. Not one bit. I've said this before, have you checked the intermarriage rates lately?
    , @geokat62

    Sam is talking about the people in this country who are quite at ease with Israel being the home of God’s Chosen People.
     
    Simple question, iffen. Are you an American-firster or an Israel-firster? You are the one who is always admonishing Unz commenters to choose sides. While Israel-firsters do their best to convince Joe 6-pack that, since the interests of both countries are perfectly aligned, there is no need to choose sides. But the intrepid truth telling professors, Mearsheimer and Walt, shattered that myth with their book, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. Rather than being an asset, the two professors provided irrefutable evidence that the home of God's Chosen People was, in fact, a liability... and was damaging US interests.

    So, iffen, with these facts clearly established, which side do you choose?
    , @SolontoCroesus

    Now, you are quite put out by that idea but that does not change the fact that most Americans think of Israel as an ally and much prefer it over any of the Arab or Muslim countries.
     
    a few questions, iffen:

    How much money and effort do Israel-firsters commit to causing "Americans to think of Israel as an ally" etc.?

    How much money and effort do Israel-firsters commit to demonizing and dehumanizing Palestinians, Iranians, and Muslims in general?

    How many major organizations and institutions do Jews maintain and / or manage, whose overarching mission is to airbrush and whitewash Israel, and to demonize and vilify certain nations that Jews have taken a notion to hate?

    Please specify the treaty that allies the US and Israel.

    Please state the date, time, participants, and result of voting on the ratification of a treaty between US and Israel.

    What happens to those few Americans, like many on this forum, who are alert enough to know that Israel cannot be allied to the USA because Israel's present behavior violates US laws underlying an alliance?
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  88. LOL

    Gideon Levy told an audience at the National Press Club that Jews had the mahvelous ability to simultaneously persecute others and claim victimhood, and Sham Sama displays a version of that syndrome.

    Read the context of what was written, Sam; read it carefully, the way a good lawyer, and even a bad lawyer, would :

    I think Americans should be wary that a US guarantee of “Israel’s security advantage” would include an advantage that Israel would — and most likely will, sooner or later — exercise over the United States.
    In other words, American taxpayers are subsidizing their own demise.

    Meaning: While Israel is blackmailing/arm-twisting/co-opting/suborning/exploiting the US Congress to bankroll Israel’s advantageous military posture, Israel is simultaneously scheming to exercise that advantage against the American people and nation.

    I believe that to be true, based on the record and pattern of Jewish behavior toward nations that were formerly host to- or allied with- Jews. It’s not an overt policy, from the pov of the US Congress, but the patterns of history support the notion that it is certainly a covert policy or strategy on the part of Israeli policy-makers. I believe it is being played out today, under our noses, to the disadvantage of the American people.

    The Israeli covert scheme is not only treacherous in that it “bites the hand that feeds it;” and dangerously threatening to the American people, it is sneaky.

    Neither I nor Krushchev said, “You will bury me,” which is the syntax required for your paranoid (or narcissistic?) interpretation of what was written to make sense; Krushchev said to the United States, in bold and unambiguous, not covert and underhanded, words:
    WE (USSR) will bury YOU (USA).

    At the risk of belaboring the point –

    The parallel construction vis a vis Israelis : : USA =

    WE (ISRAEL) will bury YOU (USA).

    The American people knew where Krushchev stood.
    The American people were not tricked into believing that USSR was their best friend.

    capisco?

    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

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    We don't run, you might. Not the Jews you'd be searching for in your goose stepping wet dreams, these ones will take you wankers for a spin and then some.

    Still, its risible that you'd need to find a Jew, Gideon Levy, to make a silly point you flog to death at every turn until it ceases to have any meaning. Blackmailing, suborning and the rest of it are pathetic expressions of you rant, which needless to say you haven't established leave alone proved in the legal definitions of the terms. I don't believe them to be true, but since you do, rant to your heart's content for that is all you shall be doing for a long enough period, and end precisely where you started, which is to say, nowhere.

    What have to say to the verity that it was you, you and you again, your fellow citizens who voted Reagan, Carter, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trumpton and the entire succession of Congresses which first declared, then passed, re-iterated, expanded and stood in unison for 7177. It must be so relieving, indeed so gratifying for the anti-semite to let himself off the hook and blame it all on the other. No, it is not I that claims victimhood, but it is you sir that does so, and stupid enough not to behold the simple truth. You should take it from Cassius:
    "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
    But in ourselves, that we are underlings
    ."

    My granny is busy at the moment enjoying a fine performance of Lakmé, and would dismiss your tasteless suggestion with a sardonic smile.

    .

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  89. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    the American people didn’t have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA.

    Most of them still don't know which countries are which or which city is in which country. So what's your point?

    Sam is talking about the people in this country who are quite at ease with Israel being the home of God's Chosen People.

    Now, you are quite put out by that idea but that does not change the fact that most Americans think of Israel as an ally and much prefer it over any of the Arab or Muslim countries.

    Precisely. I suppose I failed to make the point. The stubborn fact still is this:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx

    I have no insights as to why, and my value judgements on this matter in any case would hardly be received seriously.

    Also, Geo, all that Yiddish is makes me nostalgic for the Fiddler. Trust me, American Jews do not view gentiles in the manner you are trying to portray. Not one bit. I’ve said this before, have you checked the intermarriage rates lately?

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    Trust me, American Jews do not view gentiles in the manner you are trying to portray.
     
    I trust you, Sam. But to be fair I didn't write those words, it was the people at Santa Barbara Jewish Connection. If you think they distorted the truth, you should take it up with them. But I wonder why the SBJC would want to distort the truth... do you have a hypothesis, Sam?
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  90. […]  The Unz Review: Israel’s $38 Billion Scam. Bibi wants more and Congress might deliver PHILIP… […]

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  91. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    [Sam, tell us something new. ]

    Hi Geo,
    Of course I wasn't attempting to, nor gainsay the Knesset West branding for our congress. Had I in my possession the swift and sure means of disassembling the structure I'd share it forthwith. S2C has the inimitable gift of stringing together the most unlikely matters, and then unfailingly droning back to his familiar refrain, "I liked Krushchev’s shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you." Talking of masks, the man openly and frequently trumpets his desire to bury Jews. I am aware that more than a few around here should love to do so, only reality intrudes. Does he think he can actually do this? I wonder.......

    In the end the people elect their Congress and President. What does that tell us about choices made for so many decades? Are they totally, irredeemably, uninformed? Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation's dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel's case. Haven't you noticed what DT is doing? Do you reckon anything in that regard will change if he wins? So I submit what we need to do first is to grapple with what we have on our hands, which is the outcome of a majoritarian system.

    [The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit.]

    Well, far be it for me to launch into a defence of the advocacy groups, and while I note Phil's remark regarding the fungibility of money, I am certain that precious little of the "military aid" ever touched the living economies of common people in either the U.S. or Israel, being entirely the exclusive simoleon of armaments interests, which in any case always remain untouched by irritating things like taxation. I didn't quite understand the connection to Detroit.

    I had mentioned to Robin that actions in court are useless [I think she took that as an expression of sanguine arrogance; it wasn't] . I've begun to realise that this process of changing minds of ethnic groups is going to be a long process. There are some deeply held beliefs in these United States which are not suggestible to easy change.

    S2 can be abrasive, but is not anti-Jew per se. It’s the Big (hypocritical, treacherous) Ones that draw the ire. And the caution (from Art and S2) is that the machinations of the Big Jews will ultimately harm the (Little) average Jews.

    S2′s antagonism towards you may be like my antipathy for Rebecca Vilkomerson, the JVP Executive Director who recently declared Miko Peled unfit for the movement (for “Palestinian rights”).

    So, now Vilkomerson has issued a lame and unconvincing apology of sorts, but only after many (small) JVP members complained. Her pretense that it was a semantic misunderstanding isn’t fooling anyone, and this stacks up with her prolonged and despicable attack on Alison Weir last year. Plus, what about the little Jew who doubled down (on FB) on the condemnation, saying that Peled isn’t entitled to passionate advocacy?

    So this little guy doesn’t want any real criticism of Israel, but does want to control the narrative here in the US for the benefit of……what? Of Jews? Of Israel? You see where this is going? Was a bargain made, or a threat? Will Vilkomerson keep the pressure on Miko to use only JVP-approved language in talks and tweets?

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    Robin I'll ask you a question you needn't answer if it bothers you: are you jewish?
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  92. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    [Sam, tell us something new. ]

    Hi Geo,
    Of course I wasn't attempting to, nor gainsay the Knesset West branding for our congress. Had I in my possession the swift and sure means of disassembling the structure I'd share it forthwith. S2C has the inimitable gift of stringing together the most unlikely matters, and then unfailingly droning back to his familiar refrain, "I liked Krushchev’s shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you." Talking of masks, the man openly and frequently trumpets his desire to bury Jews. I am aware that more than a few around here should love to do so, only reality intrudes. Does he think he can actually do this? I wonder.......

    In the end the people elect their Congress and President. What does that tell us about choices made for so many decades? Are they totally, irredeemably, uninformed? Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation's dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel's case. Haven't you noticed what DT is doing? Do you reckon anything in that regard will change if he wins? So I submit what we need to do first is to grapple with what we have on our hands, which is the outcome of a majoritarian system.

    [The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit.]

    Well, far be it for me to launch into a defence of the advocacy groups, and while I note Phil's remark regarding the fungibility of money, I am certain that precious little of the "military aid" ever touched the living economies of common people in either the U.S. or Israel, being entirely the exclusive simoleon of armaments interests, which in any case always remain untouched by irritating things like taxation. I didn't quite understand the connection to Detroit.

    I had mentioned to Robin that actions in court are useless [I think she took that as an expression of sanguine arrogance; it wasn't] . I've begun to realise that this process of changing minds of ethnic groups is going to be a long process. There are some deeply held beliefs in these United States which are not suggestible to easy change.

    I almost forgot: this Big Criminal is gone at last, and unfortunately our President has to pay tribute. So obvious, one man’s terrorist is another’s (in this case a country’s) national hero.

    “Shimon Peres, who passed away Wednesday aged 93 after suffering a stroke on 13 September, epitomised the disparity between Israel’s image in the West and the reality of its bloody, colonial policies in Palestine and the wider region.”

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160928-shimon-peres-israeli-war-criminal-whose-victims-the-west-ignored/

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    [So obvious, one man’s terrorist is another’s (in this case a country’s) national hero.]

    Yes these annoying fellows abound don't they? Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Reagan, Churchill, the list goes on and on....

    , @annamaria
    Yes, Shimon Peres was a criminal and a bloody one: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/29/the-butcher-of-qana-shimon-peres-was-no-peacemaker/
    , @Rehmat
    Here are some of the evil deeds of Shimon Peres which you wouldn't find in the western press.

    "Truth must be said, I do admire fierce President Ahmadinejad almost as much as I despise war criminal Shimon Peres," Israeli-born British author Gilad Atzmon, October 4, 2009.

    Peres was a wolf in sheep clothing. While he pretended to be a peacemaker. He was a member of Jewish terrorist organization Haganah which took part in the ethnic-cleansing of the nearly 400 Muslim and Christian Palestinian villages and towns.

    Peres is also credited with masterminding the theft of bomb-grade uranium from American NUMEC’s Apollo facility in the 1960s.

    American investigative journalist and author, Christopher Bollyn, in his book, Solving 9/11 has exposed Shimon Peres as one of the ‘Masterminds’ behind the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in United States.

    Shimon Peres gave his Norwegian pal Terje Roed Larsen, the UN special coordinator for Middle East peace, $100,000 to secure him a Nobel Prize in 1994.

    In 1975, as secret minutes have since revealed, Peres met with South African Defence Minister PW Botha and offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime. In 1986, Peres authorized the Mossad operation that saw nuclear whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu kidnapped in Rome.

    As prime minister in 1996, Peres ordered and oversaw Operation Grapes of Wrath when Israeli armed forces killed some 154 civilians in Lebanon and injured another 351. The operation, widely believed to have been a pre-election show of strength, saw Lebanese civilians intentionally targeted.

    In November 2012, Shimon Peres while opening Europe’s largest Holocaust Museum (est. cost $60 million) in Moscow asked president Putin and Barack Obama to join together “to put an end to the dark terror and threat posed by Iran’s quest for nuclear bomb“.

    In December 2009, then Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva slammed Shimon Peres, an honorary Brazilian citizen, for calling then Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a threat to South America, during his speech at the Brazil parliament.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/09/28/shimon-peres-the-war-criminal-goes-to-hell/
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  93. @Sam Shama
    [Sam, tell us something new. ]

    Hi Geo,
    Of course I wasn't attempting to, nor gainsay the Knesset West branding for our congress. Had I in my possession the swift and sure means of disassembling the structure I'd share it forthwith. S2C has the inimitable gift of stringing together the most unlikely matters, and then unfailingly droning back to his familiar refrain, "I liked Krushchev’s shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you." Talking of masks, the man openly and frequently trumpets his desire to bury Jews. I am aware that more than a few around here should love to do so, only reality intrudes. Does he think he can actually do this? I wonder.......

    In the end the people elect their Congress and President. What does that tell us about choices made for so many decades? Are they totally, irredeemably, uninformed? Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation's dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel's case. Haven't you noticed what DT is doing? Do you reckon anything in that regard will change if he wins? So I submit what we need to do first is to grapple with what we have on our hands, which is the outcome of a majoritarian system.

    [The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit.]

    Well, far be it for me to launch into a defence of the advocacy groups, and while I note Phil's remark regarding the fungibility of money, I am certain that precious little of the "military aid" ever touched the living economies of common people in either the U.S. or Israel, being entirely the exclusive simoleon of armaments interests, which in any case always remain untouched by irritating things like taxation. I didn't quite understand the connection to Detroit.

    I had mentioned to Robin that actions in court are useless [I think she took that as an expression of sanguine arrogance; it wasn't] . I've begun to realise that this process of changing minds of ethnic groups is going to be a long process. There are some deeply held beliefs in these United States which are not suggestible to easy change.

    this one’s a doozie as well:

    In the end the people elect their Congress and President.

    What does that tell us about choices made for so many decades? Are they totally, irredeemably, uninformed? Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel?

    This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case. Haven’t you noticed what DT is doing? Do you reckon anything in that regard will change if he wins? So I submit what we need to do first is to grapple with what we have on our hands, which is the outcome of a majoritarian system.

    just gotta laugh.

    You’re like the dude who paid some girl to go the prom with you, practically held a gun to her head to make her actually dance with you, then convinced yourself she’s head over heels in love w/ you.

    As for ”

    This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case.

    — that’s downright hateful. It’s also wrong-headed. Is that how Jewish people think? It’s not how I was raised, and not how we raised our children to think.

    To the extent there is an anti-Muslim sentiment in USA it is the result of “this nation” having been brainwashed relentlessly by, primarily, Jewish masters of media; the American people are so thoroughly dumbed down that they can be induced to hate their grandmothers, once Robert Aumann and Frank Luntz get thru with them.

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  94. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    the American people didn’t have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA.

    Most of them still don't know which countries are which or which city is in which country. So what's your point?

    Sam is talking about the people in this country who are quite at ease with Israel being the home of God's Chosen People.

    Now, you are quite put out by that idea but that does not change the fact that most Americans think of Israel as an ally and much prefer it over any of the Arab or Muslim countries.

    Sam is talking about the people in this country who are quite at ease with Israel being the home of God’s Chosen People.

    Simple question, iffen. Are you an American-firster or an Israel-firster? You are the one who is always admonishing Unz commenters to choose sides. While Israel-firsters do their best to convince Joe 6-pack that, since the interests of both countries are perfectly aligned, there is no need to choose sides. But the intrepid truth telling professors, Mearsheimer and Walt, shattered that myth with their book, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. Rather than being an asset, the two professors provided irrefutable evidence that the home of God’s Chosen People was, in fact, a liability… and was damaging US interests.

    So, iffen, with these facts clearly established, which side do you choose?

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    Sorry Geo, you are deflecting. Iffen asked you a question responding to your previous post. Answer that first and then I'll answer this one tomorrow.
    , @iffen
    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.
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  95. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Precisely. I suppose I failed to make the point. The stubborn fact still is this:
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx
    I have no insights as to why, and my value judgements on this matter in any case would hardly be received seriously.

    Also, Geo, all that Yiddish is makes me nostalgic for the Fiddler. Trust me, American Jews do not view gentiles in the manner you are trying to portray. Not one bit. I've said this before, have you checked the intermarriage rates lately?

    Trust me, American Jews do not view gentiles in the manner you are trying to portray.

    I trust you, Sam. But to be fair I didn’t write those words, it was the people at Santa Barbara Jewish Connection. If you think they distorted the truth, you should take it up with them. But I wonder why the SBJC would want to distort the truth… do you have a hypothesis, Sam?

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  96. @Sam Shama
    [Sam, tell us something new. ]

    Hi Geo,
    Of course I wasn't attempting to, nor gainsay the Knesset West branding for our congress. Had I in my possession the swift and sure means of disassembling the structure I'd share it forthwith. S2C has the inimitable gift of stringing together the most unlikely matters, and then unfailingly droning back to his familiar refrain, "I liked Krushchev’s shoe-pounding histrionics better; unambiguous, more authentic: We will bury you." Talking of masks, the man openly and frequently trumpets his desire to bury Jews. I am aware that more than a few around here should love to do so, only reality intrudes. Does he think he can actually do this? I wonder.......

    In the end the people elect their Congress and President. What does that tell us about choices made for so many decades? Are they totally, irredeemably, uninformed? Or are they expressing even were it admitted in somewhat faint a manner, the preference for a support of Israel? This nation's dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel's case. Haven't you noticed what DT is doing? Do you reckon anything in that regard will change if he wins? So I submit what we need to do first is to grapple with what we have on our hands, which is the outcome of a majoritarian system.

    [The Lobby is draining the blood and treasure of the American people, the prime example of which is the Burning of Detroit.]

    Well, far be it for me to launch into a defence of the advocacy groups, and while I note Phil's remark regarding the fungibility of money, I am certain that precious little of the "military aid" ever touched the living economies of common people in either the U.S. or Israel, being entirely the exclusive simoleon of armaments interests, which in any case always remain untouched by irritating things like taxation. I didn't quite understand the connection to Detroit.

    I had mentioned to Robin that actions in court are useless [I think she took that as an expression of sanguine arrogance; it wasn't] . I've begun to realise that this process of changing minds of ethnic groups is going to be a long process. There are some deeply held beliefs in these United States which are not suggestible to easy change.

    RobinG is probably right, S2C is unnecessarily and ineffectually abrasive, and Phil is keeping a comment in moderation, so maybe I better moderate my tone.

    Sam wrote:

    This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case.

    “In the DNA?” Why is it ok for westerners to say, “It’s in the DNA” but Germany got destroyed when some German leaders talked about characteristics being “in the blood?”

    However did such “inexplicable antipathies” get to be “in the DNA?” Out of thin air? Was it always that way? If not, when did it start?

    Here’s a clue: this op ed by Moshe Ya’alon appeared in today’s LA Times. It warns that “Iran is a bigger threat than ISIS.”

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-yaalon-iran-threat-20160929-snap-story.html

    It popped up on a Yahoo web page. Every day, every single fricking day there are at least two, sometimes three articles at the top of the Yahoo news feed that demonize Iran. I gather the major media outlets and pundits routinely demonize Iran, and mischaracterize the money that the US paid to Iran.

    It’s seems beyond doubt that Jews dominate media in USA. That is, Jews dominate the information the American people receive via media outlets about Iran.
    And it is relentlessly negative and blatantly dishonestly so.
    But the American people have no way of knowing that the information they receive about Iran is dishonest because alternative voices are censored.

    If what applies to Iran applies to Muslims in general, which is a not unreasonable claim to make, since it can be easily demonstrated that there are almost as many articles in MSM that demonize and lie about Muslims (in general) as about Iran, then it is not at all “inexplicable” that the American people have an “antipathy” toward Muslims, but it’s not because of some freakish DNA, it’s because they have been systematically misinformed — lied to.

    Inasmuch as the very same pattern of demonizing and lying about a target group was executed against Germany pre-WWI and again pre-WWII, and by the same entities — media outlets controlled predominantly by Jews — then the more pertinent question to ask is whether there is something “inexplicably antipathetic” in the DNA of those who purvey the lies and vilification of their target-du-jour.

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  97. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    LOL

    Gideon Levy told an audience at the National Press Club that Jews had the mahvelous ability to simultaneously persecute others and claim victimhood, and Sham Sama displays a version of that syndrome.

    Read the context of what was written, Sam; read it carefully, the way a good lawyer, and even a bad lawyer, would :


    I think Americans should be wary that a US guarantee of “Israel’s security advantage” would include an advantage that Israel would — and most likely will, sooner or later — exercise over the United States.
    In other words, American taxpayers are subsidizing their own demise.
     
    Meaning: While Israel is blackmailing/arm-twisting/co-opting/suborning/exploiting the US Congress to bankroll Israel's advantageous military posture, Israel is simultaneously scheming to exercise that advantage against the American people and nation.

    I believe that to be true, based on the record and pattern of Jewish behavior toward nations that were formerly host to- or allied with- Jews. It's not an overt policy, from the pov of the US Congress, but the patterns of history support the notion that it is certainly a covert policy or strategy on the part of Israeli policy-makers. I believe it is being played out today, under our noses, to the disadvantage of the American people.

    The Israeli covert scheme is not only treacherous in that it "bites the hand that feeds it;" and dangerously threatening to the American people, it is sneaky.

    Neither I nor Krushchev said, "You will bury me," which is the syntax required for your paranoid (or narcissistic?) interpretation of what was written to make sense; Krushchev said to the United States, in bold and unambiguous, not covert and underhanded, words:
    WE (USSR) will bury YOU (USA).

    At the risk of belaboring the point --

    The parallel construction vis a vis Israelis : : USA =

    WE (ISRAEL) will bury YOU (USA).

    The American people knew where Krushchev stood.
    The American people were not tricked into believing that USSR was their best friend.

    capisco?

    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    We don’t run, you might. Not the Jews you’d be searching for in your goose stepping wet dreams, these ones will take you wankers for a spin and then some.

    Still, its risible that you’d need to find a Jew, Gideon Levy, to make a silly point you flog to death at every turn until it ceases to have any meaning. Blackmailing, suborning and the rest of it are pathetic expressions of you rant, which needless to say you haven’t established leave alone proved in the legal definitions of the terms. I don’t believe them to be true, but since you do, rant to your heart’s content for that is all you shall be doing for a long enough period, and end precisely where you started, which is to say, nowhere.

    What have to say to the verity that it was you, you and you again, your fellow citizens who voted Reagan, Carter, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trumpton and the entire succession of Congresses which first declared, then passed, re-iterated, expanded and stood in unison for 7177. It must be so relieving, indeed so gratifying for the anti-semite to let himself off the hook and blame it all on the other. No, it is not I that claims victimhood, but it is you sir that does so, and stupid enough not to behold the simple truth. You should take it from Cassius:
    The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
    But in ourselves, that we are underlings
    .”

    My granny is busy at the moment enjoying a fine performance of Lakmé, and would dismiss your tasteless suggestion with a sardonic smile.

    .

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    No, it is not I that claims victimhood, but it is you sir that does so, and stupid enough not to behold the simple truth.
     
    Go ahead, Sam, let your guard down. Next time, call him a "dumb goy"... you know you want to.
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  98. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG
    I almost forgot: this Big Criminal is gone at last, and unfortunately our President has to pay tribute. So obvious, one man's terrorist is another's (in this case a country's) national hero.

    "Shimon Peres, who passed away Wednesday aged 93 after suffering a stroke on 13 September, epitomised the disparity between Israel’s image in the West and the reality of its bloody, colonial policies in Palestine and the wider region."
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160928-shimon-peres-israeli-war-criminal-whose-victims-the-west-ignored/

    [So obvious, one man’s terrorist is another’s (in this case a country’s) national hero.]

    Yes these annoying fellows abound don’t they? Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Reagan, Churchill, the list goes on and on….

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  99. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Sam is talking about the people in this country who are quite at ease with Israel being the home of God’s Chosen People.
     
    Simple question, iffen. Are you an American-firster or an Israel-firster? You are the one who is always admonishing Unz commenters to choose sides. While Israel-firsters do their best to convince Joe 6-pack that, since the interests of both countries are perfectly aligned, there is no need to choose sides. But the intrepid truth telling professors, Mearsheimer and Walt, shattered that myth with their book, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. Rather than being an asset, the two professors provided irrefutable evidence that the home of God's Chosen People was, in fact, a liability... and was damaging US interests.

    So, iffen, with these facts clearly established, which side do you choose?

    Sorry Geo, you are deflecting. Iffen asked you a question responding to your previous post. Answer that first and then I’ll answer this one tomorrow.

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    Sorry, Sam. You're gonna have to help me out here, which of iffen's questions am I allegedly "deflecting"?
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  100. […] 29, 2016 “Information Clearing House” – “Unz Review” –  As an American it is difficult to imagine a more unseemly bit of political theater […]

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  101. annamaria says:
    @RobinG
    I almost forgot: this Big Criminal is gone at last, and unfortunately our President has to pay tribute. So obvious, one man's terrorist is another's (in this case a country's) national hero.

    "Shimon Peres, who passed away Wednesday aged 93 after suffering a stroke on 13 September, epitomised the disparity between Israel’s image in the West and the reality of its bloody, colonial policies in Palestine and the wider region."
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160928-shimon-peres-israeli-war-criminal-whose-victims-the-west-ignored/
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    http://www.salon.com/2016/09/28/israeli-leader-shimon-peres-supposed-man-of-peace-also-had-a-bloody-record-of-war/
    , @L.K
    Anna:

    Yes, Shimon Peres was a criminal and a bloody one.
     
    Yes, he was & may he rot in hell.

    But then again, nothing new, all "israeli" leaders are & have been criminals and psychos...
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  102. Svigor says:

    Also, Geo, all that Yiddish is makes me nostalgic for the Fiddler. Trust me, American Jews do not view gentiles in the manner you are trying to portray. Not one bit. I’ve said this before, have you checked the intermarriage rates lately?

    Jewish “intermarriage” rate shows Jewish ethnocentrism/racism, since it’s much lower than the rates for other white ethnic groups. Jews are the only people even squawking about “intermarriage” rates (“silent Holocaust,” etc.); no other white ethnic group cares about their “intermarriage,” rate, at all. If a French/Swiss/English/German/etc. person bragged about the “intermarriage” rate of their group, normal whites (i.e., definitely not Jews) would look at them as if they’re a bit funny in the head. Never mind calling it a “silent Holocaust”; NOT EVEN WHITE NATIONALISTS DO THIS. Meanwhile, Jews sweep their interracial marriage rates under the rug, because they’re so low – Jews don’t marry blacks.

    Catholics don’t track their “intermarriage” rates, or parade them as something to brag about, or call them a “silent Holocaust,” either. Neither do Protestants, Buddhists, etc.

    What’s funny is how the idea that Jews “intermarrying” (i.e., Jewish whites marrying other whites, like French, German, Hungarian, mixed American, etc.) is equivalent to whites marrying blacks or yellows is so ingrained in the Jewish psyche, that they’ll actually say it outright. I’ve seen several Jews say as much here. And the whole way Jews approach and frame this issue heavily implies it. It just goes to show how very different Jews really are.

    Jews’ continued cluelessness on this issue is instructive.

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    Svigor:

    Jewish “intermarriage” rate shows Jewish ethnocentrism/racism, since it’s much lower than the rates for other white ethnic groups. Jews are the only people even squawking about “intermarriage” rates (“silent Holocaust,” etc.); no other white ethnic group cares about their “intermarriage,” rate, at all.
     
    Good catch.
    Then again, almost everything coming out of Sham(elless)'s keyboard is pure BS.;

    I recall not long ago this sad little liar was saying Israel is one of the most multicultural countries in the world; Polish( Jews/omitted), Russian( Jews/omitted), American( Jews/omitted), Iraqi( Jews/omitted) and so on and on...
    , @Sam Shama
    Perhaps a portion of the time spent writing your meandering posts, you could put to better use practicing concentration, an useful quality the dearth of which led you to wholly miss the reason for my mentioning jewish intermarriage rates, not so much a remarkable affair in itself, but simply a counterpoint to the charge of jewish exclusionary attitudes.

    I hope it is clear now.
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  103. Svigor says:

    Here’s the TL:DR version of how Jews’ narrative on “intermarriage” rates is a huge tell for their racism:

    They’ve got nothing to compare it to (it’s really hard to find any “intermarriage” rates for other Caucasoid groups, mostly you have to infer it from imperfect sources; which is itself a tell). So how do they know the rate is high? They don’t. They just know that any marriage between G-d’s Chosen and the untermenschen shows Jews’ magnanimous compassion. So, 40% or whatever, shows them to be a race of saints. Sure, most of them don’t think this way consciously, but that’s the obvious subconscious thought process underlying their position.

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  104. Brewer says:

    Much is made of the fact that a lot of the moolah comes back via arms sales.
    It would be a very interesting exercise to trace down the ultimate beneficiaries/stockholders of Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin etc. No doubt a great deal of those stocks are held by Israel firsters.
    What a nice little go-round.

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  105. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    We don't run, you might. Not the Jews you'd be searching for in your goose stepping wet dreams, these ones will take you wankers for a spin and then some.

    Still, its risible that you'd need to find a Jew, Gideon Levy, to make a silly point you flog to death at every turn until it ceases to have any meaning. Blackmailing, suborning and the rest of it are pathetic expressions of you rant, which needless to say you haven't established leave alone proved in the legal definitions of the terms. I don't believe them to be true, but since you do, rant to your heart's content for that is all you shall be doing for a long enough period, and end precisely where you started, which is to say, nowhere.

    What have to say to the verity that it was you, you and you again, your fellow citizens who voted Reagan, Carter, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trumpton and the entire succession of Congresses which first declared, then passed, re-iterated, expanded and stood in unison for 7177. It must be so relieving, indeed so gratifying for the anti-semite to let himself off the hook and blame it all on the other. No, it is not I that claims victimhood, but it is you sir that does so, and stupid enough not to behold the simple truth. You should take it from Cassius:
    "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
    But in ourselves, that we are underlings
    ."

    My granny is busy at the moment enjoying a fine performance of Lakmé, and would dismiss your tasteless suggestion with a sardonic smile.

    .

    No, it is not I that claims victimhood, but it is you sir that does so, and stupid enough not to behold the simple truth.

    Go ahead, Sam, let your guard down. Next time, call him a “dumb goy”… you know you want to.

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  106. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Sorry Geo, you are deflecting. Iffen asked you a question responding to your previous post. Answer that first and then I'll answer this one tomorrow.

    Sorry, Sam. You’re gonna have to help me out here, which of iffen’s questions am I allegedly “deflecting”?

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    which of iffen’s questions am I allegedly “deflecting”?

    There is only one question mark in the comment.

    I will answer your loyalty oath questions if you answer mine.

    When you watch movies about WWII, do you pull for the GIs and allies or do you root for the krauts?
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  107. @RobinG
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh8XajrrSVc
    The National Theatre of Norway´s official apology for the cooperation with Habima (Israeli theater group).

    Just FYI: That video is not as official as it appears . . .

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  108. iffen says:
    @geokat62
    Sorry, Sam. You're gonna have to help me out here, which of iffen's questions am I allegedly "deflecting"?

    which of iffen’s questions am I allegedly “deflecting”?

    There is only one question mark in the comment.

    I will answer your loyalty oath questions if you answer mine.

    When you watch movies about WWII, do you pull for the GIs and allies or do you root for the krauts?

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    There is only one question mark in the comment:

    geokat62 - the American people didn’t have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA.

    iffen - Most of them still don’t know which countries are which or which city is in which country. So what’s your point?
     

    Oh, you were expecting an answer to that question... and here I thought it was rhetorical. Forgive me, as I've frequently declared, I'm just a dumb goy.

    Well, I guess my point was this: prior to 2001, while most Americans would have been hard pressed to identify Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc on a map, after the events of 9/11 and the constant 24/7 hyping by the media of the threat from Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad, the Mullahs, while many Americans may still struggle to identify the afore-mentioned countries on a map, many at least know that there are Sunni and Shia Muslims, ISIS is threatening to re-establish a caliphate, martyrs are willing to commit suicide for the promise of 72 virgins in the afterlife, etc. So rather than it being in their dna, as Sam falsely claims, the anti-Arab sentiment is largely a result of the constant negative media coverage... that was my point.

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  109. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Sam is talking about the people in this country who are quite at ease with Israel being the home of God’s Chosen People.
     
    Simple question, iffen. Are you an American-firster or an Israel-firster? You are the one who is always admonishing Unz commenters to choose sides. While Israel-firsters do their best to convince Joe 6-pack that, since the interests of both countries are perfectly aligned, there is no need to choose sides. But the intrepid truth telling professors, Mearsheimer and Walt, shattered that myth with their book, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. Rather than being an asset, the two professors provided irrefutable evidence that the home of God's Chosen People was, in fact, a liability... and was damaging US interests.

    So, iffen, with these facts clearly established, which side do you choose?

    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.

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    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.
     
    So, just because there are some haters out there, you are prepared to side with the Israel-firsters against the America-firsters?

    Here's a comment I made a couple of years ago, when I first began posting comments on Unz:

    geokat62
    January 19, 2014 at 11:55 pm GMT • 100 Words
    Who said anything about the Jews? I merely stated the obvious: that as a direct result of the actions of the Lobby (comprised of Zionists, both Jew and Gentile), the chickens will one day come home to roost. If you think that these actions (all of which are meant to remake the ME so that the villa can exist within a smaller jungle) will not produce anti-Semitism – as most Americans will be hard-pressed to distinguish between good jews (who subscribe to Judaic principles, even if they involve Israel) and bad jews+gentiles (who subscribe to Zionist and Machiavellian principles – i.e., the end justifies the means) – you’re in for a rude awakening! That’s why I invited you to join those on the right side of history who are trying to prevent this scenario from unfolding… and who are genuinely interested in combatting anti-Semitism.
     
    So, iffen, if your true objective is to combat racism, you're on the wrong side of the barricades.
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  110. @iffen
    the American people didn’t have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA.

    Most of them still don't know which countries are which or which city is in which country. So what's your point?

    Sam is talking about the people in this country who are quite at ease with Israel being the home of God's Chosen People.

    Now, you are quite put out by that idea but that does not change the fact that most Americans think of Israel as an ally and much prefer it over any of the Arab or Muslim countries.

    Now, you are quite put out by that idea but that does not change the fact that most Americans think of Israel as an ally and much prefer it over any of the Arab or Muslim countries.

    a few questions, iffen:

    How much money and effort do Israel-firsters commit to causing “Americans to think of Israel as an ally” etc.?

    How much money and effort do Israel-firsters commit to demonizing and dehumanizing Palestinians, Iranians, and Muslims in general?

    How many major organizations and institutions do Jews maintain and / or manage, whose overarching mission is to airbrush and whitewash Israel, and to demonize and vilify certain nations that Jews have taken a notion to hate?

    Please specify the treaty that allies the US and Israel.

    Please state the date, time, participants, and result of voting on the ratification of a treaty between US and Israel.

    What happens to those few Americans, like many on this forum, who are alert enough to know that Israel cannot be allied to the USA because Israel’s present behavior violates US laws underlying an alliance?

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    a few questions, iffen:

    Don't miss your flight to Orange County.
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  111. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    which of iffen’s questions am I allegedly “deflecting”?

    There is only one question mark in the comment.

    I will answer your loyalty oath questions if you answer mine.

    When you watch movies about WWII, do you pull for the GIs and allies or do you root for the krauts?

    There is only one question mark in the comment:

    geokat62 – the American people didn’t have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA.

    iffen – Most of them still don’t know which countries are which or which city is in which country. So what’s your point?

    Oh, you were expecting an answer to that question… and here I thought it was rhetorical. Forgive me, as I’ve frequently declared, I’m just a dumb goy.

    Well, I guess my point was this: prior to 2001, while most Americans would have been hard pressed to identify Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc on a map, after the events of 9/11 and the constant 24/7 hyping by the media of the threat from Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad, the Mullahs, while many Americans may still struggle to identify the afore-mentioned countries on a map, many at least know that there are Sunni and Shia Muslims, ISIS is threatening to re-establish a caliphate, martyrs are willing to commit suicide for the promise of 72 virgins in the afterlife, etc. So rather than it being in their dna, as Sam falsely claims, the anti-Arab sentiment is largely a result of the constant negative media coverage… that was my point.

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    [Sam falsely claims....]

    Geo you are Canadian? Have you read the correspondences between John Adams and Jefferson?

    Ye Will Say I Am No Christian": The Thomas Jefferson/John Adams Correspondence on Religion, Morals, and Values

    https://www.amazon.com/Will-Say-Christian-Jefferson-Correspondence/dp/1591023564#reader_1591023564

    It is very much in the dna of this country, John Adams let loose his feelings when he wrote to Jefferson: on July 16, 1814; Adams stated that Mohammed is “a military fanatic" who "denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.” There is much much more in there. Read them.

    The 1st Amendment in fact was aimed at reconciling the differences between various Christian sects, the real object of the amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Islam, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government. (Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States Joseph Story, Father of American Jurisprudence)

     

    That is the dna and 9/11 did not help in keeping some genes non-expressed.
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  112. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.

    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.

    So, just because there are some haters out there, you are prepared to side with the Israel-firsters against the America-firsters?

    Here’s a comment I made a couple of years ago, when I first began posting comments on Unz:

    geokat62
    January 19, 2014 at 11:55 pm GMT • 100 Words
    Who said anything about the Jews? I merely stated the obvious: that as a direct result of the actions of the Lobby (comprised of Zionists, both Jew and Gentile), the chickens will one day come home to roost. If you think that these actions (all of which are meant to remake the ME so that the villa can exist within a smaller jungle) will not produce anti-Semitism – as most Americans will be hard-pressed to distinguish between good jews (who subscribe to Judaic principles, even if they involve Israel) and bad jews+gentiles (who subscribe to Zionist and Machiavellian principles – i.e., the end justifies the means) – you’re in for a rude awakening! That’s why I invited you to join those on the right side of history who are trying to prevent this scenario from unfolding… and who are genuinely interested in combatting anti-Semitism.

    So, iffen, if your true objective is to combat racism, you’re on the wrong side of the barricades.

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    You calling' me a hater, geokat62?


    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.
     
    So, just because there are some haters out there,
     
    According to Gideon Levy and Avigail Abarbanel, it's standard practice for Israel's leaders to induce in Israelis and Jews worldwide the perpetual fear of imminent holocaust:

    Levy, National Press Club, Spring 2015:

    http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/israels-growing-insanity-by

    The other day Prof. Falk spoke about this dual strategy of Israel of being a victim on the one hand and manipulating on the other hand. After what happened in Paris and in Copenhagen with the terror attacks, Benjamin Netanyahu came with the notion, All the Jews must come to Israel, it’s the safest place for the Jews of the world. It’s a shelter for the Jews of the world.


    Which is wrong because today Israel is the most dangerous place on earth for Jews. But let’s put it aside.

    It was only 24 hours later when he said Israel is in existential threat under the Iranian bomb!

    And I asked myself: how can you dare call Jews to come and join the zionist project when the Iranians are going to bomb us?

    But in Israel every thing goes and both declarations were accepted as the only truth.
     
    Abarbanel:

    I wrote this on 9th February 2009, the day before Israel's election, after seeing an interview with Benjamin Netanyahu's father on Israeli TV. Benjamin Netanyahu's father—described as "sharp as a razor" at the ripe old age of 99—gave a rare interview to Amit Segel of Israel's Channel 2 to support his son's election campaign (Channel 2 website. 7 Feb. 2009).

    At some point in the interview Professor Ben-Zion Netanyahu said, "Today we are facing plain and simple, a danger of annihilation. This is not only the ongoing existential danger to Israel, but a real danger of complete annihilation. People think that the Shoah (Holocaust) is over — but it is not, it is continuing all the time" (My translation from the Hebrew).

    The views of Netanyahu Senior do not represent a lunatic fringe, but the Israeli mainstream. When I was growing up in Israel, things were much the same. I and everyone I knew believed in earnest that we were always at risk of annihilation. Fear of annihilation is at the heart of Jewish, not just Israeli culture and it pre-dates the Holocaust. But the climate in Israel today is far more extreme than it was in my time, as Israel on the whole moves further and further to an irrational fanatic position. http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/israels-growing-insanity-by
     
    , @SolontoCroesus
    oh dear.

    please don't think of zionism and Machiavelli[an principles] in the same category. They are not.
    And, dear geokat62, it's not just that "end justifies the means" is a gross distortion of Machiavellian principles, wrt to zionism, the end in itself is distorted and illegitimate.

    An accurate understanding of Machiavelli would offer Americans a pathway to disentangling their state from the situation in which a foreign entity (cf. numerous occupiers, in the case of Machiavelli's Florence, and the Israel lobby, in the case of US) usurps the power of the native people.

    I rely on Maurizio Viroli's scholarly explanations of Machiavelli --

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw5n6XMKjHI

    Viroli insists that Machiavelli was a passionate republican, whose ultimate quest was to place the governance of Florence, which M. loved "more than his soul," in the hands of the people who lived in its precincts.
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  113. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG
    S2 can be abrasive, but is not anti-Jew per se. It's the Big (hypocritical, treacherous) Ones that draw the ire. And the caution (from Art and S2) is that the machinations of the Big Jews will ultimately harm the (Little) average Jews.

    S2's antagonism towards you may be like my antipathy for Rebecca Vilkomerson, the JVP Executive Director who recently declared Miko Peled unfit for the movement (for "Palestinian rights").

    So, now Vilkomerson has issued a lame and unconvincing apology of sorts, but only after many (small) JVP members complained. Her pretense that it was a semantic misunderstanding isn't fooling anyone, and this stacks up with her prolonged and despicable attack on Alison Weir last year. Plus, what about the little Jew who doubled down (on FB) on the condemnation, saying that Peled isn't entitled to passionate advocacy?

    So this little guy doesn't want any real criticism of Israel, but does want to control the narrative here in the US for the benefit of......what? Of Jews? Of Israel? You see where this is going? Was a bargain made, or a threat? Will Vilkomerson keep the pressure on Miko to use only JVP-approved language in talks and tweets?

    Robin I’ll ask you a question you needn’t answer if it bothers you: are you jewish?

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    That's a very interesting question. (Interesting because you asked it.) While the 'question' doesn't bother me, I err on the side of caution. But I will say, my first experience on The Hill was with IFPB (Inter-Faith Peace Builders), and about half of the citizen lobbyists were Jews. The other members of my state delegation were also members of regional activist groups and would begin their appeals with statements of how many voters they represented. This prompted me to try to find a group with which to associate myself. (I felt very small in comparison to a spokesperson for several hundred citizens.) I've tried several outfits, always learning along the way.

    Even though I was dismayed by Vilkomerson's abuse of Weir last year, I was on the verge of actually joining JVP because the DC Metro group is very active and seems effective. But then this backhanded attack on Miko. There's no way she didn't know his position, and there's no way she misunderstood his tweet. So my conclusion is that she jumped at an opportunity to castigate the most effective destroyer of Israeli mythical narratives.

    I'd like to know how strongly DC JVP pushed back on Vilkomerson, how she retains her position as national Executive Director, etc. Looking too much like Anti-Zionist Zionists (close relatives of the ZZ's). Is it any better than being a lone voice to be somebody's dupe or controlled opposition?
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  114. @geokat62

    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.
     
    So, just because there are some haters out there, you are prepared to side with the Israel-firsters against the America-firsters?

    Here's a comment I made a couple of years ago, when I first began posting comments on Unz:

    geokat62
    January 19, 2014 at 11:55 pm GMT • 100 Words
    Who said anything about the Jews? I merely stated the obvious: that as a direct result of the actions of the Lobby (comprised of Zionists, both Jew and Gentile), the chickens will one day come home to roost. If you think that these actions (all of which are meant to remake the ME so that the villa can exist within a smaller jungle) will not produce anti-Semitism – as most Americans will be hard-pressed to distinguish between good jews (who subscribe to Judaic principles, even if they involve Israel) and bad jews+gentiles (who subscribe to Zionist and Machiavellian principles – i.e., the end justifies the means) – you’re in for a rude awakening! That’s why I invited you to join those on the right side of history who are trying to prevent this scenario from unfolding… and who are genuinely interested in combatting anti-Semitism.
     
    So, iffen, if your true objective is to combat racism, you're on the wrong side of the barricades.

    You calling’ me a hater, geokat62?

    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.

    So, just because there are some haters out there,

    According to Gideon Levy and Avigail Abarbanel, it’s standard practice for Israel’s leaders to induce in Israelis and Jews worldwide the perpetual fear of imminent holocaust:

    Levy, National Press Club, Spring 2015:

    http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/israels-growing-insanity-by

    The other day Prof. Falk spoke about this dual strategy of Israel of being a victim on the one hand and manipulating on the other hand. After what happened in Paris and in Copenhagen with the terror attacks, Benjamin Netanyahu came with the notion, All the Jews must come to Israel, it’s the safest place for the Jews of the world. It’s a shelter for the Jews of the world.

    Which is wrong because today Israel is the most dangerous place on earth for Jews. But let’s put it aside.

    It was only 24 hours later when he said Israel is in existential threat under the Iranian bomb!

    And I asked myself: how can you dare call Jews to come and join the zionist project when the Iranians are going to bomb us?

    But in Israel every thing goes and both declarations were accepted as the only truth.

    Abarbanel:

    I wrote this on 9th February 2009, the day before Israel’s election, after seeing an interview with Benjamin Netanyahu’s father on Israeli TV. Benjamin Netanyahu’s father—described as “sharp as a razor” at the ripe old age of 99—gave a rare interview to Amit Segel of Israel’s Channel 2 to support his son’s election campaign (Channel 2 website. 7 Feb. 2009).

    At some point in the interview Professor Ben-Zion Netanyahu said, “Today we are facing plain and simple, a danger of annihilation. This is not only the ongoing existential danger to Israel, but a real danger of complete annihilation. People think that the Shoah (Holocaust) is over — but it is not, it is continuing all the time” (My translation from the Hebrew).

    The views of Netanyahu Senior do not represent a lunatic fringe, but the Israeli mainstream. When I was growing up in Israel, things were much the same. I and everyone I knew believed in earnest that we were always at risk of annihilation. Fear of annihilation is at the heart of Jewish, not just Israeli culture and it pre-dates the Holocaust. But the climate in Israel today is far more extreme than it was in my time, as Israel on the whole moves further and further to an irrational fanatic position. http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/israels-growing-insanity-by

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    You calling’ me a hater, geokat62?
     
    Nope. I was just acknowledging iffen's larger point that there are indeed racists among us... people who would make, in earnest, the remark you made, in jest.
    , @Sam Shama
    Yes, we are fully aware of your predilection to receive "wisdom" from dubious sources, in this case the lachrymose Abarbanel, who blamed all her personal difficulties including quarrels with her in-laws on the nation [lol!], instead of the severe depression she carried lifelong.
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  115. @geokat62

    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.
     
    So, just because there are some haters out there, you are prepared to side with the Israel-firsters against the America-firsters?

    Here's a comment I made a couple of years ago, when I first began posting comments on Unz:

    geokat62
    January 19, 2014 at 11:55 pm GMT • 100 Words
    Who said anything about the Jews? I merely stated the obvious: that as a direct result of the actions of the Lobby (comprised of Zionists, both Jew and Gentile), the chickens will one day come home to roost. If you think that these actions (all of which are meant to remake the ME so that the villa can exist within a smaller jungle) will not produce anti-Semitism – as most Americans will be hard-pressed to distinguish between good jews (who subscribe to Judaic principles, even if they involve Israel) and bad jews+gentiles (who subscribe to Zionist and Machiavellian principles – i.e., the end justifies the means) – you’re in for a rude awakening! That’s why I invited you to join those on the right side of history who are trying to prevent this scenario from unfolding… and who are genuinely interested in combatting anti-Semitism.
     
    So, iffen, if your true objective is to combat racism, you're on the wrong side of the barricades.

    oh dear.

    please don’t think of zionism and Machiavelli[an principles] in the same category. They are not.
    And, dear geokat62, it’s not just that “end justifies the means” is a gross distortion of Machiavellian principles, wrt to zionism, the end in itself is distorted and illegitimate.

    An accurate understanding of Machiavelli would offer Americans a pathway to disentangling their state from the situation in which a foreign entity (cf. numerous occupiers, in the case of Machiavelli’s Florence, and the Israel lobby, in the case of US) usurps the power of the native people.

    I rely on Maurizio Viroli’s scholarly explanations of Machiavelli –

    Viroli insists that Machiavelli was a passionate republican, whose ultimate quest was to place the governance of Florence, which M. loved “more than his soul,” in the hands of the people who lived in its precincts.

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    Viroli insists that Machiavelli was a passionate republican,...
     
    If he was such a passionate republican, why did he write a guide book that was meant to help autocrats acquire and retain power?
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  116. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    You calling' me a hater, geokat62?


    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.
     
    So, just because there are some haters out there,
     
    According to Gideon Levy and Avigail Abarbanel, it's standard practice for Israel's leaders to induce in Israelis and Jews worldwide the perpetual fear of imminent holocaust:

    Levy, National Press Club, Spring 2015:

    http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/israels-growing-insanity-by

    The other day Prof. Falk spoke about this dual strategy of Israel of being a victim on the one hand and manipulating on the other hand. After what happened in Paris and in Copenhagen with the terror attacks, Benjamin Netanyahu came with the notion, All the Jews must come to Israel, it’s the safest place for the Jews of the world. It’s a shelter for the Jews of the world.


    Which is wrong because today Israel is the most dangerous place on earth for Jews. But let’s put it aside.

    It was only 24 hours later when he said Israel is in existential threat under the Iranian bomb!

    And I asked myself: how can you dare call Jews to come and join the zionist project when the Iranians are going to bomb us?

    But in Israel every thing goes and both declarations were accepted as the only truth.
     
    Abarbanel:

    I wrote this on 9th February 2009, the day before Israel's election, after seeing an interview with Benjamin Netanyahu's father on Israeli TV. Benjamin Netanyahu's father—described as "sharp as a razor" at the ripe old age of 99—gave a rare interview to Amit Segel of Israel's Channel 2 to support his son's election campaign (Channel 2 website. 7 Feb. 2009).

    At some point in the interview Professor Ben-Zion Netanyahu said, "Today we are facing plain and simple, a danger of annihilation. This is not only the ongoing existential danger to Israel, but a real danger of complete annihilation. People think that the Shoah (Holocaust) is over — but it is not, it is continuing all the time" (My translation from the Hebrew).

    The views of Netanyahu Senior do not represent a lunatic fringe, but the Israeli mainstream. When I was growing up in Israel, things were much the same. I and everyone I knew believed in earnest that we were always at risk of annihilation. Fear of annihilation is at the heart of Jewish, not just Israeli culture and it pre-dates the Holocaust. But the climate in Israel today is far more extreme than it was in my time, as Israel on the whole moves further and further to an irrational fanatic position. http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/israels-growing-insanity-by
     

    You calling’ me a hater, geokat62?

    Nope. I was just acknowledging iffen’s larger point that there are indeed racists among us… people who would make, in earnest, the remark you made, in jest.

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    [ people who would make, in earnest, the remark you made, in jest.]

    True, like Joe Webb calls blacks niggers, in jest. Of course.

    , @iffen
    I was just acknowledging iffen’s larger point that there are indeed racists among us

    Care to elaborate upon and give a more complete definition of "us"?

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  117. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62
    There is only one question mark in the comment:

    geokat62 - the American people didn’t have a clue that Fallujah, Basra, Takrit, or Benghazi were cities in the MENA.

    iffen - Most of them still don’t know which countries are which or which city is in which country. So what’s your point?
     

    Oh, you were expecting an answer to that question... and here I thought it was rhetorical. Forgive me, as I've frequently declared, I'm just a dumb goy.

    Well, I guess my point was this: prior to 2001, while most Americans would have been hard pressed to identify Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc on a map, after the events of 9/11 and the constant 24/7 hyping by the media of the threat from Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad, the Mullahs, while many Americans may still struggle to identify the afore-mentioned countries on a map, many at least know that there are Sunni and Shia Muslims, ISIS is threatening to re-establish a caliphate, martyrs are willing to commit suicide for the promise of 72 virgins in the afterlife, etc. So rather than it being in their dna, as Sam falsely claims, the anti-Arab sentiment is largely a result of the constant negative media coverage... that was my point.

    [Sam falsely claims....]

    Geo you are Canadian? Have you read the correspondences between John Adams and Jefferson?

    Ye Will Say I Am No Christian”: The Thomas Jefferson/John Adams Correspondence on Religion, Morals, and Values

    https://www.amazon.com/Will-Say-Christian-Jefferson-Correspondence/dp/1591023564#reader_1591023564

    It is very much in the dna of this country, John Adams let loose his feelings when he wrote to Jefferson: on July 16, 1814; Adams stated that Mohammed is “a military fanatic” who “denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.” There is much much more in there. Read them.

    The 1st Amendment in fact was aimed at reconciling the differences between various Christian sects, the real object of the amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Islam, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government. (Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States Joseph Story, Father of American Jurisprudence)

    That is the dna and 9/11 did not help in keeping some genes non-expressed.

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    Adams stated that Mohammed is “a military fanatic” who “denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.”
     
    Since Talha is our resident expert on Islam, I'll leave it to him to either confirm or refute this point.

    That is the dna and 9/11 did not help in keeping some genes non-expressed.
     
    So, let's see if I've got this straight, I keep getting confused with Zionist talking points. First I thought it was in Americans' dna to hate Jews, but now it appears their dna has mutated and instead of Jews, they now hate Arabs/Muslims... do I have that right?
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  118. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    oh dear.

    please don't think of zionism and Machiavelli[an principles] in the same category. They are not.
    And, dear geokat62, it's not just that "end justifies the means" is a gross distortion of Machiavellian principles, wrt to zionism, the end in itself is distorted and illegitimate.

    An accurate understanding of Machiavelli would offer Americans a pathway to disentangling their state from the situation in which a foreign entity (cf. numerous occupiers, in the case of Machiavelli's Florence, and the Israel lobby, in the case of US) usurps the power of the native people.

    I rely on Maurizio Viroli's scholarly explanations of Machiavelli --

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw5n6XMKjHI

    Viroli insists that Machiavelli was a passionate republican, whose ultimate quest was to place the governance of Florence, which M. loved "more than his soul," in the hands of the people who lived in its precincts.

    Viroli insists that Machiavelli was a passionate republican,…

    If he was such a passionate republican, why did he write a guide book that was meant to help autocrats acquire and retain power?

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    my mistake -- #136 was supposed to be in reply to your question about Machiavelli's republicanism.

    (the mistake had the benefit of motivating Sam to take a look at Viroli's interpretation of Machiavelli, so all is not lost.)

    My very limited understanding, from reading The Prince & listening to Viroli, is that a republic still needs leadership, and the wise leader is able to create a relationship of trust between himself and the people; in fact, if The Prince does not have the support of the people, he cannot possibly succeed. That relationship is complicated: a standard meme one hears is that "The Prince says it is better to be feared than loved," but that, too, is an oversimplification. True, the leader will introduce the element of fear into the mix, but that can't be the whole formula.
    That's why I think the Allies were scared witless of Hitler: he may be the first, perhaps only, person in all of history who achieved a balance of fear and love between leader and people (Viroli would disagree with that assertion).
    Machiavelli counseled to use violence judiciously, sparingly, and strategically, and it seems to me the assassinations of Rohm & his gang was such an exercise.
    Machiavelli observed that when a state is totally demoralized -- "lost its virtu," the only way it has a slim chance of recovery is under the rule of a dictator -- by definition, a temporary position, until the sick state has been cured, its virtu restored and able to once again rule itself as a republic. I think ole 88 achieved the restoration part but war intervened and the German state never did achieve self-rule.

    Since this comment has wandered into forbidden territory, a few random points related to Machiavelli, republicanism & the exercise of power:
    1. Khamanev gave Stalin a copy of The Prince that Stalin read diligently.
    2. There were no elections in Britain for the duration of the war. When an election was finally held, Churchill was turned out.
    3. Ann McReynolds Bush has written (what I think is) is a very important book about the dictatorial powers that Franklin Roosevelt acquired, and by which he ran the country and the war. True, there were elections & FDR was elected an unprecedented number of times, but the American people were relentlessly propagandized and lied to, and as McReynolds Bush explains, major decisions about domestic, military, financial, judicial, and foreign policy were made behind the backs of the US institutions set up to collaborate on those decisions, and the Congress was blind-sided -- lied to -- on more than a few occasions. The Four Horsemen on the Supreme Court -- Pierce Butler, James Clark McReynolds (an ancestor of McReynolds Bush), George Sutherland, and Willis Van Devanter -- strenuously opposed what they considered FDR's overreach of power.

    It's extremely difficult to take a true democracy (republic) to war, and if the situation is understood with utmost clarity, WWII was a battle of Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Mussolini (The Fascist who was, it turns out, the most hapless dictator of them all).
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  119. @annamaria
    Yes, Shimon Peres was a criminal and a bloody one: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/29/the-butcher-of-qana-shimon-peres-was-no-peacemaker/
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  120. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    You calling' me a hater, geokat62?


    Now run off and whine to your granny that some antisemenite wants to holocaust you again.

    This is why it is so easy to see which side to choose.
     
    So, just because there are some haters out there,
     
    According to Gideon Levy and Avigail Abarbanel, it's standard practice for Israel's leaders to induce in Israelis and Jews worldwide the perpetual fear of imminent holocaust:

    Levy, National Press Club, Spring 2015:

    http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/israels-growing-insanity-by

    The other day Prof. Falk spoke about this dual strategy of Israel of being a victim on the one hand and manipulating on the other hand. After what happened in Paris and in Copenhagen with the terror attacks, Benjamin Netanyahu came with the notion, All the Jews must come to Israel, it’s the safest place for the Jews of the world. It’s a shelter for the Jews of the world.


    Which is wrong because today Israel is the most dangerous place on earth for Jews. But let’s put it aside.

    It was only 24 hours later when he said Israel is in existential threat under the Iranian bomb!

    And I asked myself: how can you dare call Jews to come and join the zionist project when the Iranians are going to bomb us?

    But in Israel every thing goes and both declarations were accepted as the only truth.
     
    Abarbanel:

    I wrote this on 9th February 2009, the day before Israel's election, after seeing an interview with Benjamin Netanyahu's father on Israeli TV. Benjamin Netanyahu's father—described as "sharp as a razor" at the ripe old age of 99—gave a rare interview to Amit Segel of Israel's Channel 2 to support his son's election campaign (Channel 2 website. 7 Feb. 2009).

    At some point in the interview Professor Ben-Zion Netanyahu said, "Today we are facing plain and simple, a danger of annihilation. This is not only the ongoing existential danger to Israel, but a real danger of complete annihilation. People think that the Shoah (Holocaust) is over — but it is not, it is continuing all the time" (My translation from the Hebrew).

    The views of Netanyahu Senior do not represent a lunatic fringe, but the Israeli mainstream. When I was growing up in Israel, things were much the same. I and everyone I knew believed in earnest that we were always at risk of annihilation. Fear of annihilation is at the heart of Jewish, not just Israeli culture and it pre-dates the Holocaust. But the climate in Israel today is far more extreme than it was in my time, as Israel on the whole moves further and further to an irrational fanatic position. http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/israels-growing-insanity-by
     

    Yes, we are fully aware of your predilection to receive “wisdom” from dubious sources, in this case the lachrymose Abarbanel, who blamed all her personal difficulties including quarrels with her in-laws on the nation [lol!], instead of the severe depression she carried lifelong.

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    spend 30 min. w/ Viroli.

    he's committed his life's work to Machiavelli.

    nb. I was just able to find a copy of Viroli's "Republicanism" in that same bookshop that Sam griped that I blather on about. It's a slim volume but with, as might be expected, numerous references to Machiavelli, and also to Madison, Montesquieu, Diderot, Aristotle, Sallus and Berlusconi. Viroli was at Princeton but now divides his time between Austin, TX, where he teaches political science, and his home in Forli, Italy, where he is deeply engaged in Italian national politics.
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  121. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    You calling’ me a hater, geokat62?
     
    Nope. I was just acknowledging iffen's larger point that there are indeed racists among us... people who would make, in earnest, the remark you made, in jest.

    [ people who would make, in earnest, the remark you made, in jest.]

    True, like Joe Webb calls blacks niggers, in jest. Of course.

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    True, like Joe Webb calls blacks niggers, in jest. Of course.
     
    Sam, are you equating S2C with JW? Very unfair, IMO.
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  122. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    You calling’ me a hater, geokat62?
     
    Nope. I was just acknowledging iffen's larger point that there are indeed racists among us... people who would make, in earnest, the remark you made, in jest.

    I was just acknowledging iffen’s larger point that there are indeed racists among us

    Care to elaborate upon and give a more complete definition of “us”?

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    Care to elaborate upon and give a more complete definition of “us”?
     
    I get the sense you were a big fan of Bill Clinton, who was keen on people defining the word "it."

    Nothing too cryptic about the word "us," iffen. I had the citizens of the West in mind. Any issues with that definition?
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  123. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    [Sam falsely claims....]

    Geo you are Canadian? Have you read the correspondences between John Adams and Jefferson?

    Ye Will Say I Am No Christian": The Thomas Jefferson/John Adams Correspondence on Religion, Morals, and Values

    https://www.amazon.com/Will-Say-Christian-Jefferson-Correspondence/dp/1591023564#reader_1591023564

    It is very much in the dna of this country, John Adams let loose his feelings when he wrote to Jefferson: on July 16, 1814; Adams stated that Mohammed is “a military fanatic" who "denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.” There is much much more in there. Read them.

    The 1st Amendment in fact was aimed at reconciling the differences between various Christian sects, the real object of the amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Islam, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government. (Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States Joseph Story, Father of American Jurisprudence)

     

    That is the dna and 9/11 did not help in keeping some genes non-expressed.

    Adams stated that Mohammed is “a military fanatic” who “denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.”

    Since Talha is our resident expert on Islam, I’ll leave it to him to either confirm or refute this point.

    That is the dna and 9/11 did not help in keeping some genes non-expressed.

    So, let’s see if I’ve got this straight, I keep getting confused with Zionist talking points. First I thought it was in Americans’ dna to hate Jews, but now it appears their dna has mutated and instead of Jews, they now hate Arabs/Muslims… do I have that right?

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    [ but now it appears their dna has mutated and instead of Jews, they now hate Arabs/Muslims… do I have that right?]

    No you don't. You are alleging things not in evidence. That little bit about American's hating Jews. Quite the opposite mate, do you recall http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx I posted yesterday, which prompted you to go off the deep end on the meaning of goyischer? Genes can remain unexpressed and then upon some stimuli expressed; as in a latent dislike for Islam.
    , @Sam Shama
    Certainly Talha is welcome to render his opinion, but in the book I referenced above, are collected a portion of the letters chronologically from 1787 to 1826, between Adams and Jefferson. You remarked I was falsely claiming an assertion.
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  124. geokat62 says:
    @iffen
    I was just acknowledging iffen’s larger point that there are indeed racists among us

    Care to elaborate upon and give a more complete definition of "us"?

    Care to elaborate upon and give a more complete definition of “us”?

    I get the sense you were a big fan of Bill Clinton, who was keen on people defining the word “it.”

    Nothing too cryptic about the word “us,” iffen. I had the citizens of the West in mind. Any issues with that definition?

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  125. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    [ people who would make, in earnest, the remark you made, in jest.]

    True, like Joe Webb calls blacks niggers, in jest. Of course.

    True, like Joe Webb calls blacks niggers, in jest. Of course.

    Sam, are you equating S2C with JW? Very unfair, IMO.

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  126. L.K says:
    @annamaria
    Yes, Shimon Peres was a criminal and a bloody one: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/29/the-butcher-of-qana-shimon-peres-was-no-peacemaker/

    Anna:

    Yes, Shimon Peres was a criminal and a bloody one.

    Yes, he was & may he rot in hell.

    But then again, nothing new, all “israeli” leaders are & have been criminals and psychos…

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    L.K. the reptile [or are you a hybrid?] slithers into full view. You should know well about Hell, the netherworld being the favoured dwelling of snakes.
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  127. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Adams stated that Mohammed is “a military fanatic” who “denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.”
     
    Since Talha is our resident expert on Islam, I'll leave it to him to either confirm or refute this point.

    That is the dna and 9/11 did not help in keeping some genes non-expressed.
     
    So, let's see if I've got this straight, I keep getting confused with Zionist talking points. First I thought it was in Americans' dna to hate Jews, but now it appears their dna has mutated and instead of Jews, they now hate Arabs/Muslims... do I have that right?

    [ but now it appears their dna has mutated and instead of Jews, they now hate Arabs/Muslims… do I have that right?]

    No you don’t. You are alleging things not in evidence. That little bit about American’s hating Jews. Quite the opposite mate, do you recall http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx I posted yesterday, which prompted you to go off the deep end on the meaning of goyischer? Genes can remain unexpressed and then upon some stimuli expressed; as in a latent dislike for Islam.

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    you are so pathetically, tragically funny, Sam, it almost makes one weep.

    You discover correspondence between Adams and Jefferson to prove that "it is -- it really really (petulant stomping of foot) IS in the American DNA to hate Muslims."

    You quote the passages.

    You link to the book.

    Damn. You've got this Nailed To The Wall.

    You urge the commentariat to pursue additional material in said book that supports your foot-stomping assertion.

    THEN you jump a century to a poll to prove beyond a foot-stomping shadow of a doubt that "Americans DO love Israel." (reminds me of a video Jane Eisner did a few years ago: "We Jews are now the American elite . . . and Americans love us, they really do! Polls show . . ." Next time SWMBO is po'd with me I'm gonna take a poll: "Most people love me, SWMBO, polls show. So get over the cigarette burns in your new upholstery.")

    anyway --

    What would happen if you did some apples-to-apples studies, Sam?

    I'm afeared Jews would not fare so well. Thomas Jefferson wrote to a lot of people about religion in the 1803, including a letter to Benjamin Rush referencing his Syllabus, which said

    II. Jews.
    1. Their system was Deism; that is, the belief in one only God. But their ideas of him and of his attributes were degrading and injurious.
    2. Their Ethics were not only imperfect, but often irreconcilable with the sound dictates of reason and morality, as they respect intercourse with those around us; and repulsive and anti-social, as respecting other nations. They needed reformation, therefore, in an eminent degree. http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/jeffbsyl.html
     
    Shall we then conclude that "hatred of Jews is "in the DNA" of the American people?

    Is it deeply hateful -- (even quasi-criminal, inasmuch as the US State Department has created a special office to monitor antisemitism) -- to make that observation when it applies to Jews, but totally appropriate when you apply the same judgment to Muslims?

    Here's where the three ideas Gideon Levy mentioned in that 2015 talk come into play: Levy said that Jews believe they are Chosen, thus the same rules that apply to everybody else do not apply to them; they can do whatever they want, an "ethical notion that is ...irreconcilable with the sound dictates of reason and morality, as they respect intercourse with those around us."

    All of which goes to the central idea of Phil's article: Israel demands, and for some unfathomable reason gets, special treatment, not only above and beyond the treatment afforded every other foreign nation with which the US government deals, but treatment that serves Israel's interests even at the expense of the American people.

    You have to know somewhere in your heart of hearts, Sam, that that situation cannot prevail, and will not end well. Not for Israel, not for the USA, and not for rank-and-file Jews, among whom I suspect you would be counted.
    Those whom Art (and RobinG) refer to as "Big Jews" will survive and probably thrive. Again. But isn't it time to break that cycle?
    And don't you think an uncompromising confrontation with "verities," no matter how bruising, is a good place to start, as well as by maturing past your childish insistence that hatred of Muslims is "in the American DNA"?
    , @geokat62

    You are alleging things not in evidence. That little bit about American’s hating Jews. Quite the opposite mate,...
     
    Sam, it's not me that is alleging things. These allegations emanate from some of the leading figures from the not too distant past. Do you recall the name Theodor W. Adorno? He was a leading member of the Frankfurt School of critical theory, and the author of The Authoritarian Personality, published in 1950. In it, Adorno invented a set of criteria by which to define personality traits, ranking them on what he called the ‘Fascist scale’.

    Here’s how one observer characterized the book’s goal:

    [it] was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy — by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.”

    Oh, and Sam, I'm not one proned to go off the deep end, mate.
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  128. iffen says:

    iffen’s continuing study to define anti-Semitism.

    Sobran’s Fear of the Jews
    The news that I would be addressing the Institute of Historical Review came to some people as … well, news. It was mentioned in the Jewish newspaper Forward and on the Zionist Wall Street Journal Online. The editors of two conservative magazines called and wrote me to express their concern that I might damage my reputation, such as it is, by speaking to “Holocaust deniers.”

    Does calling the WSJ Zionist qualify as anti-Semitism? If the WSJ supports the existence of Israel, that would roughly qualify as being a supporter of Zionism, so this is accurate. A question is: how many other political and ideological positions can be attributed to the WSJ? Can we call it the Open Borders WSJ, the 1% WSJ, the PC WSJ? The question is: Why, out of the numerous characterizations that we could make about the WSJ based upon its support for various political and ideological positions, we pluck Zionism out of a full and varied pack and emphasize it?

    I’m not sure why this should matter. Even positing that I was speaking to a disreputable audience, I expect to be judged by what I say, not whom I say it to.

    Seems very reasonable on the face.

    Would we say the same about a speaker at the annual conference of NAMBLA? Would Sobran say the say the same thing?

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    A question is: how many other political and ideological positions can be attributed to the WSJ? Can we call it the Open Borders WSJ, the 1% WSJ, the PC WSJ? The question is: Why, out of the numerous characterizations that we could make about the WSJ based upon its support for various political and ideological positions, we pluck Zionism out of a full and varied pack and emphasize it?
     
    Iffen,

    Sorry but that is insulting. What world do you live in?

    All the those WSJ positions are ZZ (Zionist Zombie) positions?

    Why not just sum it up and expose evil Zionism by name?

    Art
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  129. Sam Shama says:
    @L.K
    Anna:

    Yes, Shimon Peres was a criminal and a bloody one.
     
    Yes, he was & may he rot in hell.

    But then again, nothing new, all "israeli" leaders are & have been criminals and psychos...

    L.K. the reptile [or are you a hybrid?] slithers into full view. You should know well about Hell, the netherworld being the favoured dwelling of snakes.

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    If the entity with which a person is engaged is from the class Arthropoda or the subclass Reptilia, the response is not ad hominem. :)
    , @Art

    L.K. the reptile [or are you a hybrid?] slithers into full view. You should know well about Hell, the netherworld being the favoured dwelling of snakes.
     
    Oh my -- the most brilliant ZZ’er on the site is reduced to calling good people snakes. His beautiful vocabulary is useless against the truth about Zionism.

    Truly the Ziombies are in trouble. They are reduced too pure bullyism.

    Art
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  130. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Now, you are quite put out by that idea but that does not change the fact that most Americans think of Israel as an ally and much prefer it over any of the Arab or Muslim countries.
     
    a few questions, iffen:

    How much money and effort do Israel-firsters commit to causing "Americans to think of Israel as an ally" etc.?

    How much money and effort do Israel-firsters commit to demonizing and dehumanizing Palestinians, Iranians, and Muslims in general?

    How many major organizations and institutions do Jews maintain and / or manage, whose overarching mission is to airbrush and whitewash Israel, and to demonize and vilify certain nations that Jews have taken a notion to hate?

    Please specify the treaty that allies the US and Israel.

    Please state the date, time, participants, and result of voting on the ratification of a treaty between US and Israel.

    What happens to those few Americans, like many on this forum, who are alert enough to know that Israel cannot be allied to the USA because Israel's present behavior violates US laws underlying an alliance?

    a few questions, iffen:

    Don’t miss your flight to Orange County.

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  131. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Adams stated that Mohammed is “a military fanatic” who “denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.”
     
    Since Talha is our resident expert on Islam, I'll leave it to him to either confirm or refute this point.

    That is the dna and 9/11 did not help in keeping some genes non-expressed.
     
    So, let's see if I've got this straight, I keep getting confused with Zionist talking points. First I thought it was in Americans' dna to hate Jews, but now it appears their dna has mutated and instead of Jews, they now hate Arabs/Muslims... do I have that right?

    Certainly Talha is welcome to render his opinion, but in the book I referenced above, are collected a portion of the letters chronologically from 1787 to 1826, between Adams and Jefferson. You remarked I was falsely claiming an assertion.

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    You remarked I was falsely claiming an assertion.
     
    Sam, here is your initial assertion that I claimed was false:

    This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case.
     
    You later remarked:

    Adams stated that Mohammed is “a military fanatic” who “denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.”
     
    Had you limited the dna hatred allegation to Adams alone, I would have kept Talha out of it.

    Good thing Unz keeps a record of our comments.
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  132. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    Robin I'll ask you a question you needn't answer if it bothers you: are you jewish?

    That’s a very interesting question. (Interesting because you asked it.) While the ‘question’ doesn’t bother me, I err on the side of caution. But I will say, my first experience on The Hill was with IFPB (Inter-Faith Peace Builders), and about half of the citizen lobbyists were Jews. The other members of my state delegation were also members of regional activist groups and would begin their appeals with statements of how many voters they represented. This prompted me to try to find a group with which to associate myself. (I felt very small in comparison to a spokesperson for several hundred citizens.) I’ve tried several outfits, always learning along the way.

    Even though I was dismayed by Vilkomerson’s abuse of Weir last year, I was on the verge of actually joining JVP because the DC Metro group is very active and seems effective. But then this backhanded attack on Miko. There’s no way she didn’t know his position, and there’s no way she misunderstood his tweet. So my conclusion is that she jumped at an opportunity to castigate the most effective destroyer of Israeli mythical narratives.

    I’d like to know how strongly DC JVP pushed back on Vilkomerson, how she retains her position as national Executive Director, etc. Looking too much like Anti-Zionist Zionists (close relatives of the ZZ’s). Is it any better than being a lone voice to be somebody’s dupe or controlled opposition?

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  133. @Sam Shama
    Yes, we are fully aware of your predilection to receive "wisdom" from dubious sources, in this case the lachrymose Abarbanel, who blamed all her personal difficulties including quarrels with her in-laws on the nation [lol!], instead of the severe depression she carried lifelong.

    spend 30 min. w/ Viroli.

    he’s committed his life’s work to Machiavelli.

    nb. I was just able to find a copy of Viroli’s “Republicanism” in that same bookshop that Sam griped that I blather on about. It’s a slim volume but with, as might be expected, numerous references to Machiavelli, and also to Madison, Montesquieu, Diderot, Aristotle, Sallus and Berlusconi. Viroli was at Princeton but now divides his time between Austin, TX, where he teaches political science, and his home in Forli, Italy, where he is deeply engaged in Italian national politics.

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    Allright, I shall. I've been frustratingly busy with other matters and Rise and Fall only about halfway through. Viroli next.
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  134. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    L.K. the reptile [or are you a hybrid?] slithers into full view. You should know well about Hell, the netherworld being the favoured dwelling of snakes.

    If the entity with which a person is engaged is from the class Arthropoda or the subclass Reptilia, the response is not ad hominem. :)

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  135. Art says:
    @iffen
    iffen’s continuing study to define anti-Semitism.

    Sobran’s Fear of the Jews
    The news that I would be addressing the Institute of Historical Review came to some people as ... well, news. It was mentioned in the Jewish newspaper Forward and on the Zionist Wall Street Journal Online. The editors of two conservative magazines called and wrote me to express their concern that I might damage my reputation, such as it is, by speaking to “Holocaust deniers.”
     
    Does calling the WSJ Zionist qualify as anti-Semitism? If the WSJ supports the existence of Israel, that would roughly qualify as being a supporter of Zionism, so this is accurate. A question is: how many other political and ideological positions can be attributed to the WSJ? Can we call it the Open Borders WSJ, the 1% WSJ, the PC WSJ? The question is: Why, out of the numerous characterizations that we could make about the WSJ based upon its support for various political and ideological positions, we pluck Zionism out of a full and varied pack and emphasize it?

    I’m not sure why this should matter. Even positing that I was speaking to a disreputable audience, I expect to be judged by what I say, not whom I say it to.
     
    Seems very reasonable on the face.

    Would we say the same about a speaker at the annual conference of NAMBLA? Would Sobran say the say the same thing?

    A question is: how many other political and ideological positions can be attributed to the WSJ? Can we call it the Open Borders WSJ, the 1% WSJ, the PC WSJ? The question is: Why, out of the numerous characterizations that we could make about the WSJ based upon its support for various political and ideological positions, we pluck Zionism out of a full and varied pack and emphasize it?

    Iffen,

    Sorry but that is insulting. What world do you live in?

    All the those WSJ positions are ZZ (Zionist Zombie) positions?

    Why not just sum it up and expose evil Zionism by name?

    Art

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    All the those WSJ positions are ZZ (Zionist Zombie) positions?

    Everything! And I mean everything! Is just one big Jewspiracy!
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  136. @Sam Shama
    [ but now it appears their dna has mutated and instead of Jews, they now hate Arabs/Muslims… do I have that right?]

    No you don't. You are alleging things not in evidence. That little bit about American's hating Jews. Quite the opposite mate, do you recall http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx I posted yesterday, which prompted you to go off the deep end on the meaning of goyischer? Genes can remain unexpressed and then upon some stimuli expressed; as in a latent dislike for Islam.

    you are so pathetically, tragically funny, Sam, it almost makes one weep.

    You discover correspondence between Adams and Jefferson to prove that “it is — it really really (petulant stomping of foot) IS in the American DNA to hate Muslims.”

    You quote the passages.

    You link to the book.

    Damn. You’ve got this Nailed To The Wall.

    You urge the commentariat to pursue additional material in said book that supports your foot-stomping assertion.

    THEN you jump a century to a poll to prove beyond a foot-stomping shadow of a doubt that “Americans DO love Israel.” (reminds me of a video Jane Eisner did a few years ago: “We Jews are now the American elite . . . and Americans love us, they really do! Polls show . . .” Next time SWMBO is po’d with me I’m gonna take a poll: “Most people love me, SWMBO, polls show. So get over the cigarette burns in your new upholstery.”)

    anyway –

    What would happen if you did some apples-to-apples studies, Sam?

    I’m afeared Jews would not fare so well. Thomas Jefferson wrote to a lot of people about religion in the 1803, including a letter to Benjamin Rush referencing his Syllabus, which said

    II. Jews.
    1. Their system was Deism; that is, the belief in one only God. But their ideas of him and of his attributes were degrading and injurious.
    2. Their Ethics were not only imperfect, but often irreconcilable with the sound dictates of reason and morality, as they respect intercourse with those around us; and repulsive and anti-social, as respecting other nations. They needed reformation, therefore, in an eminent degree. http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/jeffbsyl.html

    Shall we then conclude that “hatred of Jews is “in the DNA” of the American people?

    Is it deeply hateful — (even quasi-criminal, inasmuch as the US State Department has created a special office to monitor antisemitism) — to make that observation when it applies to Jews, but totally appropriate when you apply the same judgment to Muslims?

    Here’s where the three ideas Gideon Levy mentioned in that 2015 talk come into play: Levy said that Jews believe they are Chosen, thus the same rules that apply to everybody else do not apply to them; they can do whatever they want, an “ethical notion that is …irreconcilable with the sound dictates of reason and morality, as they respect intercourse with those around us.

    All of which goes to the central idea of Phil’s article: Israel demands, and for some unfathomable reason gets, special treatment, not only above and beyond the treatment afforded every other foreign nation with which the US government deals, but treatment that serves Israel’s interests even at the expense of the American people.

    You have to know somewhere in your heart of hearts, Sam, that that situation cannot prevail, and will not end well. Not for Israel, not for the USA, and not for rank-and-file Jews, among whom I suspect you would be counted.
    Those whom Art (and RobinG) refer to as “Big Jews” will survive and probably thrive. Again. But isn’t it time to break that cycle?
    And don’t you think an uncompromising confrontation with “verities,” no matter how bruising, is a good place to start, as well as by maturing past your childish insistence that hatred of Muslims is “in the American DNA”?

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    Again you deliberately obfuscate. Adams' quote [read also the letters written in late 1812 and 1813] made it amply evident he would have little truck with either Islam or Judaism. Jefferson was the champion of civil society and wanted religion distanced from the state and held the OT in low regard.

    I am aware of the controversy around the subject of Judaism and where it stood in context, nor am I here to assert a greatly favoured status for Judaism. It was however viewed by the other FF in an overall positive light relative to Jefferson's less than lukewarm opinion ; perhaps George Washington’s Jewish physician, Dr. Philip Moses Russell, who suffered with him at Valley Forge had some influence..........

    Trace the relevant Gallup opinion polls from the 80's [in fact I believe there are archives going back to '47 re: the ME] and a picture will start to emerge.

    , @Art

    You have to know somewhere in your heart of hearts, Sam, that that situation cannot prevail, and will not end well. Not for Israel, not for the USA, and not for rank-and-file Jews, among whom I suspect you would be counted.
    Those whom Art (and RobinG) refer to as “Big Jews” will survive and probably thrive.
     
    S2C,

    Is Mr. Shama responsible for his words supporting Zionist Israel? Or is he a true Big Jew controlled Zombie? Has his brain been altered in his youth to always support the Big Jew? Was he traumatized in his tender youth – was he terrorized – was he told that the whole Gentile world wanted to kill him and his mother and his father and his siblings and his grandparents? What young defenseless undeveloped mind cannot be affected by such trauma? Was he permanently separated from the rest of humanity by this evil. In his adulthood does his conscious mind bump up against his childhood subconscious mind filled with hate and fear?

    Mr. Shama is smart man – he knows the score – he knows right from wrong - why does he reflexively support wrong.

    Art
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  137. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    spend 30 min. w/ Viroli.

    he's committed his life's work to Machiavelli.

    nb. I was just able to find a copy of Viroli's "Republicanism" in that same bookshop that Sam griped that I blather on about. It's a slim volume but with, as might be expected, numerous references to Machiavelli, and also to Madison, Montesquieu, Diderot, Aristotle, Sallus and Berlusconi. Viroli was at Princeton but now divides his time between Austin, TX, where he teaches political science, and his home in Forli, Italy, where he is deeply engaged in Italian national politics.

    Allright, I shall. I’ve been frustratingly busy with other matters and Rise and Fall only about halfway through. Viroli next.

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  138. iffen says:
    @Art

    A question is: how many other political and ideological positions can be attributed to the WSJ? Can we call it the Open Borders WSJ, the 1% WSJ, the PC WSJ? The question is: Why, out of the numerous characterizations that we could make about the WSJ based upon its support for various political and ideological positions, we pluck Zionism out of a full and varied pack and emphasize it?
     
    Iffen,

    Sorry but that is insulting. What world do you live in?

    All the those WSJ positions are ZZ (Zionist Zombie) positions?

    Why not just sum it up and expose evil Zionism by name?

    Art

    All the those WSJ positions are ZZ (Zionist Zombie) positions?

    Everything! And I mean everything! Is just one big Jewspiracy!

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    All the those WSJ positions are ZZ (Zionist Zombie) positions?

    Everything! And I mean everything! Is just one big Jewspiracy!
     
    iffen --- you fain ignorance - how Ziombie like.

    The Open Borders WSJ --- ZZ policy.

    The 1% WSJ --- ZZ'ers

    The PC WSJ? --- ZZ main street media.

    No honest person will deny the truth of the above.

    Art
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  139. Art says:
    @Sam Shama
    L.K. the reptile [or are you a hybrid?] slithers into full view. You should know well about Hell, the netherworld being the favoured dwelling of snakes.

    L.K. the reptile [or are you a hybrid?] slithers into full view. You should know well about Hell, the netherworld being the favoured dwelling of snakes.

    Oh my — the most brilliant ZZ’er on the site is reduced to calling good people snakes. His beautiful vocabulary is useless against the truth about Zionism.

    Truly the Ziombies are in trouble. They are reduced too pure bullyism.

    Art

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  140. Art says:
    @iffen
    All the those WSJ positions are ZZ (Zionist Zombie) positions?

    Everything! And I mean everything! Is just one big Jewspiracy!

    All the those WSJ positions are ZZ (Zionist Zombie) positions?

    Everything! And I mean everything! Is just one big Jewspiracy!

    iffen — you fain ignorance – how Ziombie like.

    The Open Borders WSJ — ZZ policy.

    The 1% WSJ — ZZ’ers

    The PC WSJ? — ZZ main street media.

    No honest person will deny the truth of the above.

    Art

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  141. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    [ but now it appears their dna has mutated and instead of Jews, they now hate Arabs/Muslims… do I have that right?]

    No you don't. You are alleging things not in evidence. That little bit about American's hating Jews. Quite the opposite mate, do you recall http://www.gallup.com/poll/189626/americans-views-toward-israel-remain-firmly-positive.aspx I posted yesterday, which prompted you to go off the deep end on the meaning of goyischer? Genes can remain unexpressed and then upon some stimuli expressed; as in a latent dislike for Islam.

    You are alleging things not in evidence. That little bit about American’s hating Jews. Quite the opposite mate,…

    Sam, it’s not me that is alleging things. These allegations emanate from some of the leading figures from the not too distant past. Do you recall the name Theodor W. Adorno? He was a leading member of the Frankfurt School of critical theory, and the author of The Authoritarian Personality, published in 1950. In it, Adorno invented a set of criteria by which to define personality traits, ranking them on what he called the ‘Fascist scale’.

    Here’s how one observer characterized the book’s goal:

    [it] was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy — by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.”

    Oh, and Sam, I’m not one proned to go off the deep end, mate.

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  142. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    you are so pathetically, tragically funny, Sam, it almost makes one weep.

    You discover correspondence between Adams and Jefferson to prove that "it is -- it really really (petulant stomping of foot) IS in the American DNA to hate Muslims."

    You quote the passages.

    You link to the book.

    Damn. You've got this Nailed To The Wall.

    You urge the commentariat to pursue additional material in said book that supports your foot-stomping assertion.

    THEN you jump a century to a poll to prove beyond a foot-stomping shadow of a doubt that "Americans DO love Israel." (reminds me of a video Jane Eisner did a few years ago: "We Jews are now the American elite . . . and Americans love us, they really do! Polls show . . ." Next time SWMBO is po'd with me I'm gonna take a poll: "Most people love me, SWMBO, polls show. So get over the cigarette burns in your new upholstery.")

    anyway --

    What would happen if you did some apples-to-apples studies, Sam?

    I'm afeared Jews would not fare so well. Thomas Jefferson wrote to a lot of people about religion in the 1803, including a letter to Benjamin Rush referencing his Syllabus, which said

    II. Jews.
    1. Their system was Deism; that is, the belief in one only God. But their ideas of him and of his attributes were degrading and injurious.
    2. Their Ethics were not only imperfect, but often irreconcilable with the sound dictates of reason and morality, as they respect intercourse with those around us; and repulsive and anti-social, as respecting other nations. They needed reformation, therefore, in an eminent degree. http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/jeffbsyl.html
     
    Shall we then conclude that "hatred of Jews is "in the DNA" of the American people?

    Is it deeply hateful -- (even quasi-criminal, inasmuch as the US State Department has created a special office to monitor antisemitism) -- to make that observation when it applies to Jews, but totally appropriate when you apply the same judgment to Muslims?

    Here's where the three ideas Gideon Levy mentioned in that 2015 talk come into play: Levy said that Jews believe they are Chosen, thus the same rules that apply to everybody else do not apply to them; they can do whatever they want, an "ethical notion that is ...irreconcilable with the sound dictates of reason and morality, as they respect intercourse with those around us."

    All of which goes to the central idea of Phil's article: Israel demands, and for some unfathomable reason gets, special treatment, not only above and beyond the treatment afforded every other foreign nation with which the US government deals, but treatment that serves Israel's interests even at the expense of the American people.

    You have to know somewhere in your heart of hearts, Sam, that that situation cannot prevail, and will not end well. Not for Israel, not for the USA, and not for rank-and-file Jews, among whom I suspect you would be counted.
    Those whom Art (and RobinG) refer to as "Big Jews" will survive and probably thrive. Again. But isn't it time to break that cycle?
    And don't you think an uncompromising confrontation with "verities," no matter how bruising, is a good place to start, as well as by maturing past your childish insistence that hatred of Muslims is "in the American DNA"?

    Again you deliberately obfuscate. Adams’ quote [read also the letters written in late 1812 and 1813] made it amply evident he would have little truck with either Islam or Judaism. Jefferson was the champion of civil society and wanted religion distanced from the state and held the OT in low regard.

    I am aware of the controversy around the subject of Judaism and where it stood in context, nor am I here to assert a greatly favoured status for Judaism. It was however viewed by the other FF in an overall positive light relative to Jefferson’s less than lukewarm opinion ; perhaps George Washington’s Jewish physician, Dr. Philip Moses Russell, who suffered with him at Valley Forge had some influence……….

    Trace the relevant Gallup opinion polls from the 80′s [in fact I believe there are archives going back to '47 re: the ME] and a picture will start to emerge.

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    "Mommy likes me better than you."

    That's what your argument is reduced to, Sam.


    Library of Congress: The Founding Fathers and Islam
    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

    It seems the FFs incorporated John Locke's thinking, that Muslims and Jews should be accepted in US society on equal footing .

    Jefferson's opinions on religious liberty were heavily influenced by John Locke, as noted by James H. Hutson, writing in 2002 as chief of the Library of Congress's Manuscript Division:

    In his seminal Letter on Toleration (1689), John Locke insisted that Muslims and all others who believed in God be tolerated in England. Campaigning for religious freedom in Virginia, Jefferson followed Locke, his idol, in demanding recognition of the religious rights of the "Mahamdan," the Jew and the "pagan." Supporting Jefferson was his old ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June 7, 1776, that the American colonies declare independence. "True freedom," Lee asserted, "embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well as the Christian religion."
     
    ---

    More to the point of Phil's article, and as a Washington Post piece states:

    Virginia went from having a strong state-established church, which Virginians had to pay taxes to support, to protecting freedom of conscience and separating church and state. Jefferson specifically mentioned Muslims when describing the broad scope of protections he intended by his legislation, which was passed in 1786.

    "What he wanted to do was get the state of Virginia out of the business of deciding which was the best religion, and who had to pay taxes to support it," said Spellberg, a professor of history and Islamic studies at the University of Texas at Austin.
     
    It seems to me that forcing ALL American taxpayers to underwrite payments to The Jewish State violates the very principle that Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and even that Muslim-hating bigot John Adams worked so hard to make a centerpiece of the American Constitutional system.
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  143. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama
    Certainly Talha is welcome to render his opinion, but in the book I referenced above, are collected a portion of the letters chronologically from 1787 to 1826, between Adams and Jefferson. You remarked I was falsely claiming an assertion.

    You remarked I was falsely claiming an assertion.

    Sam, here is your initial assertion that I claimed was false:

    This nation’s dna has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case.

    You later remarked:

    Adams stated that Mohammed is “a military fanatic” who “denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.”

    Had you limited the dna hatred allegation to Adams alone, I would have kept Talha out of it.

    Good thing Unz keeps a record of our comments.

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  144. @geokat62

    Viroli insists that Machiavelli was a passionate republican,...
     
    If he was such a passionate republican, why did he write a guide book that was meant to help autocrats acquire and retain power?

    my mistake — #136 was supposed to be in reply to your question about Machiavelli’s republicanism.

    (the mistake had the benefit of motivating Sam to take a look at Viroli’s interpretation of Machiavelli, so all is not lost.)

    My very limited understanding, from reading The Prince & listening to Viroli, is that a republic still needs leadership, and the wise leader is able to create a relationship of trust between himself and the people; in fact, if The Prince does not have the support of the people, he cannot possibly succeed. That relationship is complicated: a standard meme one hears is that “The Prince says it is better to be feared than loved,” but that, too, is an oversimplification. True, the leader will introduce the element of fear into the mix, but that can’t be the whole formula.
    That’s why I think the Allies were scared witless of Hitler: he may be the first, perhaps only, person in all of history who achieved a balance of fear and love between leader and people (Viroli would disagree with that assertion).
    Machiavelli counseled to use violence judiciously, sparingly, and strategically, and it seems to me the assassinations of Rohm & his gang was such an exercise.
    Machiavelli observed that when a state is totally demoralized — “lost its virtu,” the only way it has a slim chance of recovery is under the rule of a dictator — by definition, a temporary position, until the sick state has been cured, its virtu restored and able to once again rule itself as a republic. I think ole 88 achieved the restoration part but war intervened and the German state never did achieve self-rule.

    Since this comment has wandered into forbidden territory, a few random points related to Machiavelli, republicanism & the exercise of power:
    1. Khamanev gave Stalin a copy of The Prince that Stalin read diligently.
    2. There were no elections in Britain for the duration of the war. When an election was finally held, Churchill was turned out.
    3. Ann McReynolds Bush has written (what I think is) is a very important book about the dictatorial powers that Franklin Roosevelt acquired, and by which he ran the country and the war. True, there were elections & FDR was elected an unprecedented number of times, but the American people were relentlessly propagandized and lied to, and as McReynolds Bush explains, major decisions about domestic, military, financial, judicial, and foreign policy were made behind the backs of the US institutions set up to collaborate on those decisions, and the Congress was blind-sided — lied to — on more than a few occasions. The Four Horsemen on the Supreme Court — Pierce Butler, James Clark McReynolds (an ancestor of McReynolds Bush), George Sutherland, and Willis Van Devanter — strenuously opposed what they considered FDR’s overreach of power.

    It’s extremely difficult to take a true democracy (republic) to war, and if the situation is understood with utmost clarity, WWII was a battle of Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Mussolini (The Fascist who was, it turns out, the most hapless dictator of them all).

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    but war intervened

    Through no fault of his own.
    , @RobinG
    This book might be of interest to you. (This is from the calendar at Politics andProse).

    Leonard Barkan -
    BERLIN FOR JEWS: A TWENTY-FIRST-CENTURY COMPANION
    Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 2:30 p.m.

    Long before the Nazis rose to power, Barkan reminds us, Berlin had a thriving community of assimilated Jews, leaders in business and the arts who were essential to building and shaping the city’s rich culture. In this sparkling tour of a city he loves, Barkan, who teaches in Princeton’s Department of Comparative Literature, presents Berlin through the lens of its Jewish history, taking readers through sites including the elegant Bayerisches Viertel, designed by a Jew and known as “Jewish Switzerland,” and profiling prominent Jewish Berliners such as Rahel Varnhagan, known for the elevated discussion at her salons, and the philanthropist and art collector James Simon.
    , @geokat62

    It’s extremely difficult to take a true democracy (republic) to war...
     
    There is a precedent for this... and it is Athens against Persia, during the Persian Wars.

    btw - I do not equate true democracy with a republic, as you do.
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  145. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    my mistake -- #136 was supposed to be in reply to your question about Machiavelli's republicanism.

    (the mistake had the benefit of motivating Sam to take a look at Viroli's interpretation of Machiavelli, so all is not lost.)

    My very limited understanding, from reading The Prince & listening to Viroli, is that a republic still needs leadership, and the wise leader is able to create a relationship of trust between himself and the people; in fact, if The Prince does not have the support of the people, he cannot possibly succeed. That relationship is complicated: a standard meme one hears is that "The Prince says it is better to be feared than loved," but that, too, is an oversimplification. True, the leader will introduce the element of fear into the mix, but that can't be the whole formula.
    That's why I think the Allies were scared witless of Hitler: he may be the first, perhaps only, person in all of history who achieved a balance of fear and love between leader and people (Viroli would disagree with that assertion).
    Machiavelli counseled to use violence judiciously, sparingly, and strategically, and it seems to me the assassinations of Rohm & his gang was such an exercise.
    Machiavelli observed that when a state is totally demoralized -- "lost its virtu," the only way it has a slim chance of recovery is under the rule of a dictator -- by definition, a temporary position, until the sick state has been cured, its virtu restored and able to once again rule itself as a republic. I think ole 88 achieved the restoration part but war intervened and the German state never did achieve self-rule.

    Since this comment has wandered into forbidden territory, a few random points related to Machiavelli, republicanism & the exercise of power:
    1. Khamanev gave Stalin a copy of The Prince that Stalin read diligently.
    2. There were no elections in Britain for the duration of the war. When an election was finally held, Churchill was turned out.
    3. Ann McReynolds Bush has written (what I think is) is a very important book about the dictatorial powers that Franklin Roosevelt acquired, and by which he ran the country and the war. True, there were elections & FDR was elected an unprecedented number of times, but the American people were relentlessly propagandized and lied to, and as McReynolds Bush explains, major decisions about domestic, military, financial, judicial, and foreign policy were made behind the backs of the US institutions set up to collaborate on those decisions, and the Congress was blind-sided -- lied to -- on more than a few occasions. The Four Horsemen on the Supreme Court -- Pierce Butler, James Clark McReynolds (an ancestor of McReynolds Bush), George Sutherland, and Willis Van Devanter -- strenuously opposed what they considered FDR's overreach of power.

    It's extremely difficult to take a true democracy (republic) to war, and if the situation is understood with utmost clarity, WWII was a battle of Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Mussolini (The Fascist who was, it turns out, the most hapless dictator of them all).

    but war intervened

    Through no fault of his own.

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  146. Art says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    you are so pathetically, tragically funny, Sam, it almost makes one weep.

    You discover correspondence between Adams and Jefferson to prove that "it is -- it really really (petulant stomping of foot) IS in the American DNA to hate Muslims."

    You quote the passages.

    You link to the book.

    Damn. You've got this Nailed To The Wall.

    You urge the commentariat to pursue additional material in said book that supports your foot-stomping assertion.

    THEN you jump a century to a poll to prove beyond a foot-stomping shadow of a doubt that "Americans DO love Israel." (reminds me of a video Jane Eisner did a few years ago: "We Jews are now the American elite . . . and Americans love us, they really do! Polls show . . ." Next time SWMBO is po'd with me I'm gonna take a poll: "Most people love me, SWMBO, polls show. So get over the cigarette burns in your new upholstery.")

    anyway --

    What would happen if you did some apples-to-apples studies, Sam?

    I'm afeared Jews would not fare so well. Thomas Jefferson wrote to a lot of people about religion in the 1803, including a letter to Benjamin Rush referencing his Syllabus, which said

    II. Jews.
    1. Their system was Deism; that is, the belief in one only God. But their ideas of him and of his attributes were degrading and injurious.
    2. Their Ethics were not only imperfect, but often irreconcilable with the sound dictates of reason and morality, as they respect intercourse with those around us; and repulsive and anti-social, as respecting other nations. They needed reformation, therefore, in an eminent degree. http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/jeffbsyl.html
     
    Shall we then conclude that "hatred of Jews is "in the DNA" of the American people?

    Is it deeply hateful -- (even quasi-criminal, inasmuch as the US State Department has created a special office to monitor antisemitism) -- to make that observation when it applies to Jews, but totally appropriate when you apply the same judgment to Muslims?

    Here's where the three ideas Gideon Levy mentioned in that 2015 talk come into play: Levy said that Jews believe they are Chosen, thus the same rules that apply to everybody else do not apply to them; they can do whatever they want, an "ethical notion that is ...irreconcilable with the sound dictates of reason and morality, as they respect intercourse with those around us."

    All of which goes to the central idea of Phil's article: Israel demands, and for some unfathomable reason gets, special treatment, not only above and beyond the treatment afforded every other foreign nation with which the US government deals, but treatment that serves Israel's interests even at the expense of the American people.

    You have to know somewhere in your heart of hearts, Sam, that that situation cannot prevail, and will not end well. Not for Israel, not for the USA, and not for rank-and-file Jews, among whom I suspect you would be counted.
    Those whom Art (and RobinG) refer to as "Big Jews" will survive and probably thrive. Again. But isn't it time to break that cycle?
    And don't you think an uncompromising confrontation with "verities," no matter how bruising, is a good place to start, as well as by maturing past your childish insistence that hatred of Muslims is "in the American DNA"?

    You have to know somewhere in your heart of hearts, Sam, that that situation cannot prevail, and will not end well. Not for Israel, not for the USA, and not for rank-and-file Jews, among whom I suspect you would be counted.
    Those whom Art (and RobinG) refer to as “Big Jews” will survive and probably thrive.

    S2C,

    Is Mr. Shama responsible for his words supporting Zionist Israel? Or is he a true Big Jew controlled Zombie? Has his brain been altered in his youth to always support the Big Jew? Was he traumatized in his tender youth – was he terrorized – was he told that the whole Gentile world wanted to kill him and his mother and his father and his siblings and his grandparents? What young defenseless undeveloped mind cannot be affected by such trauma? Was he permanently separated from the rest of humanity by this evil. In his adulthood does his conscious mind bump up against his childhood subconscious mind filled with hate and fear?

    Mr. Shama is smart man – he knows the score – he knows right from wrong – why does he reflexively support wrong.

    Art

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    Art:

    Mr. Shama is smart man – he knows the score – he knows right from wrong –
     
    Does he, Art? I don't think so. I don't think he is smart either... deceitful/dishonest, yes, smart, not really.

    Art:

    why does he reflexively support wrong.
     
    Bc he is a Zionist activist bastard.... he is also a sad little LIAR, caught lying on numerous occasions by different people.

    Cheers
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  147. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    my mistake -- #136 was supposed to be in reply to your question about Machiavelli's republicanism.

    (the mistake had the benefit of motivating Sam to take a look at Viroli's interpretation of Machiavelli, so all is not lost.)

    My very limited understanding, from reading The Prince & listening to Viroli, is that a republic still needs leadership, and the wise leader is able to create a relationship of trust between himself and the people; in fact, if The Prince does not have the support of the people, he cannot possibly succeed. That relationship is complicated: a standard meme one hears is that "The Prince says it is better to be feared than loved," but that, too, is an oversimplification. True, the leader will introduce the element of fear into the mix, but that can't be the whole formula.
    That's why I think the Allies were scared witless of Hitler: he may be the first, perhaps only, person in all of history who achieved a balance of fear and love between leader and people (Viroli would disagree with that assertion).
    Machiavelli counseled to use violence judiciously, sparingly, and strategically, and it seems to me the assassinations of Rohm & his gang was such an exercise.
    Machiavelli observed that when a state is totally demoralized -- "lost its virtu," the only way it has a slim chance of recovery is under the rule of a dictator -- by definition, a temporary position, until the sick state has been cured, its virtu restored and able to once again rule itself as a republic. I think ole 88 achieved the restoration part but war intervened and the German state never did achieve self-rule.

    Since this comment has wandered into forbidden territory, a few random points related to Machiavelli, republicanism & the exercise of power:
    1. Khamanev gave Stalin a copy of The Prince that Stalin read diligently.
    2. There were no elections in Britain for the duration of the war. When an election was finally held, Churchill was turned out.
    3. Ann McReynolds Bush has written (what I think is) is a very important book about the dictatorial powers that Franklin Roosevelt acquired, and by which he ran the country and the war. True, there were elections & FDR was elected an unprecedented number of times, but the American people were relentlessly propagandized and lied to, and as McReynolds Bush explains, major decisions about domestic, military, financial, judicial, and foreign policy were made behind the backs of the US institutions set up to collaborate on those decisions, and the Congress was blind-sided -- lied to -- on more than a few occasions. The Four Horsemen on the Supreme Court -- Pierce Butler, James Clark McReynolds (an ancestor of McReynolds Bush), George Sutherland, and Willis Van Devanter -- strenuously opposed what they considered FDR's overreach of power.

    It's extremely difficult to take a true democracy (republic) to war, and if the situation is understood with utmost clarity, WWII was a battle of Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Mussolini (The Fascist who was, it turns out, the most hapless dictator of them all).

    This book might be of interest to you. (This is from the calendar at Politics andProse).

    Leonard Barkan –
    BERLIN FOR JEWS: A TWENTY-FIRST-CENTURY COMPANION
    Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 2:30 p.m.

    Long before the Nazis rose to power, Barkan reminds us, Berlin had a thriving community of assimilated Jews, leaders in business and the arts who were essential to building and shaping the city’s rich culture. In this sparkling tour of a city he loves, Barkan, who teaches in Princeton’s Department of Comparative Literature, presents Berlin through the lens of its Jewish history, taking readers through sites including the elegant Bayerisches Viertel, designed by a Jew and known as “Jewish Switzerland,” and profiling prominent Jewish Berliners such as Rahel Varnhagan, known for the elevated discussion at her salons, and the philanthropist and art collector James Simon.

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  148. @Sam Shama
    Again you deliberately obfuscate. Adams' quote [read also the letters written in late 1812 and 1813] made it amply evident he would have little truck with either Islam or Judaism. Jefferson was the champion of civil society and wanted religion distanced from the state and held the OT in low regard.

    I am aware of the controversy around the subject of Judaism and where it stood in context, nor am I here to assert a greatly favoured status for Judaism. It was however viewed by the other FF in an overall positive light relative to Jefferson's less than lukewarm opinion ; perhaps George Washington’s Jewish physician, Dr. Philip Moses Russell, who suffered with him at Valley Forge had some influence..........

    Trace the relevant Gallup opinion polls from the 80's [in fact I believe there are archives going back to '47 re: the ME] and a picture will start to emerge.

    “Mommy likes me better than you.”

    That’s what your argument is reduced to, Sam.

    Library of Congress: The Founding Fathers and Islam

    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

    It seems the FFs incorporated John Locke’s thinking, that Muslims and Jews should be accepted in US society on equal footing .

    Jefferson’s opinions on religious liberty were heavily influenced by John Locke, as noted by James H. Hutson, writing in 2002 as chief of the Library of Congress’s Manuscript Division:

    In his seminal Letter on Toleration (1689), John Locke insisted that Muslims and all others who believed in God be tolerated in England. Campaigning for religious freedom in Virginia, Jefferson followed Locke, his idol, in demanding recognition of the religious rights of the “Mahamdan,” the Jew and the “pagan.” Supporting Jefferson was his old ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June 7, 1776, that the American colonies declare independence. “True freedom,” Lee asserted, “embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well as the Christian religion.”

    More to the point of Phil’s article, and as a Washington Post piece states:

    Virginia went from having a strong state-established church, which Virginians had to pay taxes to support, to protecting freedom of conscience and separating church and state. Jefferson specifically mentioned Muslims when describing the broad scope of protections he intended by his legislation, which was passed in 1786.

    What he wanted to do was get the state of Virginia out of the business of deciding which was the best religion, and who had to pay taxes to support it,” said Spellberg, a professor of history and Islamic studies at the University of Texas at Austin.

    It seems to me that forcing ALL American taxpayers to underwrite payments to The Jewish State violates the very principle that Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and even that Muslim-hating bigot John Adams worked so hard to make a centerpiece of the American Constitutional system.

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    I'll write as simply as I can. In short sentences. You missed the point. "Mommy likes me better" was not what I was trying to convey. Perhaps going back to my original post would help. In #88 I wrote "[...] has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case. " Had I meant to assert a seminal or originally favoured attitude towards Judaism, would I have stated it thus? No, my point was neither Islam nor Judaism were 'cause celebres' to champion by any of the FF. Not especially; except Adams who made his mind crystal clear to all. It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....]

    No need to rehash Jefferson and the churches etcetera. I am familiar with the story.

    Once more, let me restate on pain of neglexit sermonem, "forcing ALL American taxpayers to pay...." is an emotionally overwrought statement which ignores the existence of a majoritarian system that admits and allows the tinkering by advocacy interests.

    good night and its time to attend to Widow Jane. :-)

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  149. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    my mistake -- #136 was supposed to be in reply to your question about Machiavelli's republicanism.

    (the mistake had the benefit of motivating Sam to take a look at Viroli's interpretation of Machiavelli, so all is not lost.)

    My very limited understanding, from reading The Prince & listening to Viroli, is that a republic still needs leadership, and the wise leader is able to create a relationship of trust between himself and the people; in fact, if The Prince does not have the support of the people, he cannot possibly succeed. That relationship is complicated: a standard meme one hears is that "The Prince says it is better to be feared than loved," but that, too, is an oversimplification. True, the leader will introduce the element of fear into the mix, but that can't be the whole formula.
    That's why I think the Allies were scared witless of Hitler: he may be the first, perhaps only, person in all of history who achieved a balance of fear and love between leader and people (Viroli would disagree with that assertion).
    Machiavelli counseled to use violence judiciously, sparingly, and strategically, and it seems to me the assassinations of Rohm & his gang was such an exercise.
    Machiavelli observed that when a state is totally demoralized -- "lost its virtu," the only way it has a slim chance of recovery is under the rule of a dictator -- by definition, a temporary position, until the sick state has been cured, its virtu restored and able to once again rule itself as a republic. I think ole 88 achieved the restoration part but war intervened and the German state never did achieve self-rule.

    Since this comment has wandered into forbidden territory, a few random points related to Machiavelli, republicanism & the exercise of power:
    1. Khamanev gave Stalin a copy of The Prince that Stalin read diligently.
    2. There were no elections in Britain for the duration of the war. When an election was finally held, Churchill was turned out.
    3. Ann McReynolds Bush has written (what I think is) is a very important book about the dictatorial powers that Franklin Roosevelt acquired, and by which he ran the country and the war. True, there were elections & FDR was elected an unprecedented number of times, but the American people were relentlessly propagandized and lied to, and as McReynolds Bush explains, major decisions about domestic, military, financial, judicial, and foreign policy were made behind the backs of the US institutions set up to collaborate on those decisions, and the Congress was blind-sided -- lied to -- on more than a few occasions. The Four Horsemen on the Supreme Court -- Pierce Butler, James Clark McReynolds (an ancestor of McReynolds Bush), George Sutherland, and Willis Van Devanter -- strenuously opposed what they considered FDR's overreach of power.

    It's extremely difficult to take a true democracy (republic) to war, and if the situation is understood with utmost clarity, WWII was a battle of Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Dictator vs Mussolini (The Fascist who was, it turns out, the most hapless dictator of them all).

    It’s extremely difficult to take a true democracy (republic) to war…

    There is a precedent for this… and it is Athens against Persia, during the Persian Wars.

    btw – I do not equate true democracy with a republic, as you do.

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  150. Svigor says:

    I would like for the Jews here to explain the persistence and breadth of “anti-Semitism,” without resorting to misanthropy. I’ve yet to see that done. That Jews continue to harp on “anti-Semitism” in the face of their own enduring misanthropy, well, it’s not a good sign.

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  151. L.K says:
    @Art

    You have to know somewhere in your heart of hearts, Sam, that that situation cannot prevail, and will not end well. Not for Israel, not for the USA, and not for rank-and-file Jews, among whom I suspect you would be counted.
    Those whom Art (and RobinG) refer to as “Big Jews” will survive and probably thrive.
     
    S2C,

    Is Mr. Shama responsible for his words supporting Zionist Israel? Or is he a true Big Jew controlled Zombie? Has his brain been altered in his youth to always support the Big Jew? Was he traumatized in his tender youth – was he terrorized – was he told that the whole Gentile world wanted to kill him and his mother and his father and his siblings and his grandparents? What young defenseless undeveloped mind cannot be affected by such trauma? Was he permanently separated from the rest of humanity by this evil. In his adulthood does his conscious mind bump up against his childhood subconscious mind filled with hate and fear?

    Mr. Shama is smart man – he knows the score – he knows right from wrong - why does he reflexively support wrong.

    Art

    Art:

    Mr. Shama is smart man – he knows the score – he knows right from wrong –

    Does he, Art? I don’t think so. I don’t think he is smart either… deceitful/dishonest, yes, smart, not really.

    Art:

    why does he reflexively support wrong.

    Bc he is a Zionist activist bastard…. he is also a sad little LIAR, caught lying on numerous occasions by different people.

    Cheers

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    Are you upset to have your reptilian heritage revealed? Even for a reptile you are dense and speaking of bastardy, was it your mother or your father that visited the reptile enclosure overnight? I forget your account.....
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  152. L.K says:
    @Svigor

    Also, Geo, all that Yiddish is makes me nostalgic for the Fiddler. Trust me, American Jews do not view gentiles in the manner you are trying to portray. Not one bit. I’ve said this before, have you checked the intermarriage rates lately?
     
    Jewish "intermarriage" rate shows Jewish ethnocentrism/racism, since it's much lower than the rates for other white ethnic groups. Jews are the only people even squawking about "intermarriage" rates ("silent Holocaust," etc.); no other white ethnic group cares about their "intermarriage," rate, at all. If a French/Swiss/English/German/etc. person bragged about the "intermarriage" rate of their group, normal whites (i.e., definitely not Jews) would look at them as if they're a bit funny in the head. Never mind calling it a "silent Holocaust"; NOT EVEN WHITE NATIONALISTS DO THIS. Meanwhile, Jews sweep their interracial marriage rates under the rug, because they're so low - Jews don't marry blacks.

    Catholics don't track their "intermarriage" rates, or parade them as something to brag about, or call them a "silent Holocaust," either. Neither do Protestants, Buddhists, etc.

    What's funny is how the idea that Jews "intermarrying" (i.e., Jewish whites marrying other whites, like French, German, Hungarian, mixed American, etc.) is equivalent to whites marrying blacks or yellows is so ingrained in the Jewish psyche, that they'll actually say it outright. I've seen several Jews say as much here. And the whole way Jews approach and frame this issue heavily implies it. It just goes to show how very different Jews really are.

    Jews' continued cluelessness on this issue is instructive.

    Svigor:

    Jewish “intermarriage” rate shows Jewish ethnocentrism/racism, since it’s much lower than the rates for other white ethnic groups. Jews are the only people even squawking about “intermarriage” rates (“silent Holocaust,” etc.); no other white ethnic group cares about their “intermarriage,” rate, at all.

    Good catch.
    Then again, almost everything coming out of Sham(elless)’s keyboard is pure BS.;

    I recall not long ago this sad little liar was saying Israel is one of the most multicultural countries in the world; Polish( Jews/omitted), Russian( Jews/omitted), American( Jews/omitted), Iraqi( Jews/omitted) and so on and on…

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  153. Sam Shama says:
    @Svigor

    Also, Geo, all that Yiddish is makes me nostalgic for the Fiddler. Trust me, American Jews do not view gentiles in the manner you are trying to portray. Not one bit. I’ve said this before, have you checked the intermarriage rates lately?
     
    Jewish "intermarriage" rate shows Jewish ethnocentrism/racism, since it's much lower than the rates for other white ethnic groups. Jews are the only people even squawking about "intermarriage" rates ("silent Holocaust," etc.); no other white ethnic group cares about their "intermarriage," rate, at all. If a French/Swiss/English/German/etc. person bragged about the "intermarriage" rate of their group, normal whites (i.e., definitely not Jews) would look at them as if they're a bit funny in the head. Never mind calling it a "silent Holocaust"; NOT EVEN WHITE NATIONALISTS DO THIS. Meanwhile, Jews sweep their interracial marriage rates under the rug, because they're so low - Jews don't marry blacks.

    Catholics don't track their "intermarriage" rates, or parade them as something to brag about, or call them a "silent Holocaust," either. Neither do Protestants, Buddhists, etc.

    What's funny is how the idea that Jews "intermarrying" (i.e., Jewish whites marrying other whites, like French, German, Hungarian, mixed American, etc.) is equivalent to whites marrying blacks or yellows is so ingrained in the Jewish psyche, that they'll actually say it outright. I've seen several Jews say as much here. And the whole way Jews approach and frame this issue heavily implies it. It just goes to show how very different Jews really are.

    Jews' continued cluelessness on this issue is instructive.

    Perhaps a portion of the time spent writing your meandering posts, you could put to better use practicing concentration, an useful quality the dearth of which led you to wholly miss the reason for my mentioning jewish intermarriage rates, not so much a remarkable affair in itself, but simply a counterpoint to the charge of jewish exclusionary attitudes.

    I hope it is clear now.

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  154. Sam Shama says:
    @L.K
    Art:

    Mr. Shama is smart man – he knows the score – he knows right from wrong –
     
    Does he, Art? I don't think so. I don't think he is smart either... deceitful/dishonest, yes, smart, not really.

    Art:

    why does he reflexively support wrong.
     
    Bc he is a Zionist activist bastard.... he is also a sad little LIAR, caught lying on numerous occasions by different people.

    Cheers

    Are you upset to have your reptilian heritage revealed? Even for a reptile you are dense and speaking of bastardy, was it your mother or your father that visited the reptile enclosure overnight? I forget your account…..

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    [L.K.]: a mongrel.POS™. A neo-Nazi, IslamoFascist, Islamophile, Turkophile swine calling everybody a, quote, 'LIAR'(!); how cheeky; a Mongrel.POS™ , neo-Nazi swine ragging on other posters.


    Neo-Nazi denialist swine.
    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!


    p.s. {reptilian heritage}
    A good one.
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  155. Avery says:
    @Sam Shama
    Are you upset to have your reptilian heritage revealed? Even for a reptile you are dense and speaking of bastardy, was it your mother or your father that visited the reptile enclosure overnight? I forget your account.....

    [L.K.]: a mongrel.POS™. A neo-Nazi, IslamoFascist, Islamophile, Turkophile swine calling everybody a, quote, ‘LIAR’(!); how cheeky; a Mongrel.POS™ , neo-Nazi swine ragging on other posters.

    Neo-Nazi denialist swine.
    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

    p.s. {reptilian heritage}
    A good one.

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    Avery I think you discovered the antidote for this reptile hybrid. Thanks.
    , @L.K
    Good grief! Avery is off his potent meds again!!
    Another hissy fit by this hysterical Vagina!

    But given that avery, in his ridiculous rant, told a bunch of LIES about me – the boy is a serial liar – I feel compelled to answer the insect.

    Lets see;
    “IslamoFascist”: I don’t even know what this silly smear is supposed to mean, but, given that I am of European & Christian backgrounds & have a clear record here at Unz of denouncing radical Islam, i.e. Salafism/Wahhabism, it means you are making stuff up, lying as usual.

    “Islamophile”; Another LIE. I’m neutral generally, meaning, I’m not a islamophobic asshole like u, who, for your own petty reasons, seem to buy into the Zionist concocted clash of civilizations BS, intended to justify the destruction of every country or organization in the M.E which stands in the way of ‘Israeli’ hegemony. This, btw, is destroying the Worlds oldest Christian communities, killing even Syrian Armenians in the process. These wahhabi savages are backed directly by Israel, or through Israel’s main proxy, ZUSA.
    Your pal sam shame is a Zionist supporter of precisely the entity largely responsible for this shit in Syria.
    I suppose that if I were a “Islamophile”, I would be in favor of large scale Muslim immigration into Europe. But I’m against it.

    ‘Turkophile’; yawwnn... More lies. You see, I don’t give 2 fucks about the Turks, but I care about the truth, which u do not.
    So, when you repeat, again & again, the stale old lie that the Turks from Turkey r Uighurs from China, as opposed to who they really are, i.e. , turkified Anatolians, as modern genetic studies confirm, you are L-Y-I-N-G. If you were even minimally honest, which you are not, you would concede this basic point. But u don’t, bc that is how liars behave. Of course your idiotic reason for doing that, is to delegitimize not only the Turkish State, but its people as well.

    ‘neo-Nazi’; Another lie. I know it is far beyond your extremely low intellectual capabilities – not to mention your total intellectual dishonesty – to understand that not falling for the usual WWII Mickey Mouse propaganda does NOT equate one with being a “Nazi”.

    ‘denialist’; This is in connection to my affirming that the holohoax is largely a fraud, given that its 3 main tenets are all FALSE.
    Guilty as charged.
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  156. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    "Mommy likes me better than you."

    That's what your argument is reduced to, Sam.


    Library of Congress: The Founding Fathers and Islam
    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

    It seems the FFs incorporated John Locke's thinking, that Muslims and Jews should be accepted in US society on equal footing .

    Jefferson's opinions on religious liberty were heavily influenced by John Locke, as noted by James H. Hutson, writing in 2002 as chief of the Library of Congress's Manuscript Division:

    In his seminal Letter on Toleration (1689), John Locke insisted that Muslims and all others who believed in God be tolerated in England. Campaigning for religious freedom in Virginia, Jefferson followed Locke, his idol, in demanding recognition of the religious rights of the "Mahamdan," the Jew and the "pagan." Supporting Jefferson was his old ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June 7, 1776, that the American colonies declare independence. "True freedom," Lee asserted, "embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well as the Christian religion."
     
    ---

    More to the point of Phil's article, and as a Washington Post piece states:

    Virginia went from having a strong state-established church, which Virginians had to pay taxes to support, to protecting freedom of conscience and separating church and state. Jefferson specifically mentioned Muslims when describing the broad scope of protections he intended by his legislation, which was passed in 1786.

    "What he wanted to do was get the state of Virginia out of the business of deciding which was the best religion, and who had to pay taxes to support it," said Spellberg, a professor of history and Islamic studies at the University of Texas at Austin.
     
    It seems to me that forcing ALL American taxpayers to underwrite payments to The Jewish State violates the very principle that Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and even that Muslim-hating bigot John Adams worked so hard to make a centerpiece of the American Constitutional system.

    I’ll write as simply as I can. In short sentences. You missed the point. “Mommy likes me better” was not what I was trying to convey. Perhaps going back to my original post would help. In #88 I wrote “[...] has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case. ” Had I meant to assert a seminal or originally favoured attitude towards Judaism, would I have stated it thus? No, my point was neither Islam nor Judaism were ’cause celebres’ to champion by any of the FF. Not especially; except Adams who made his mind crystal clear to all. It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....]

    No need to rehash Jefferson and the churches etcetera. I am familiar with the story.

    Once more, let me restate on pain of neglexit sermonem, “forcing ALL American taxpayers to pay….” is an emotionally overwrought statement which ignores the existence of a majoritarian system that admits and allows the tinkering by advocacy interests.

    good night and its time to attend to Widow Jane. :-)

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    I’ll write as simply as I can. In short sentences.
     
    The Italicized is not a sentence it's a fragment.

    Not especially; except Adams who made his mind crystal clear to all.
     
    What does this mean? Is it a sentence?

    It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....]
     
    Is this a sentence, a short sentence, or even a grammatical construction? I am not aware of the value as punctuation of " [ ] "

    Ron Unz just warned the commentariat against using poor grammar.

    sigh.

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  157. Sam Shama says:
    @Avery
    [L.K.]: a mongrel.POS™. A neo-Nazi, IslamoFascist, Islamophile, Turkophile swine calling everybody a, quote, 'LIAR'(!); how cheeky; a Mongrel.POS™ , neo-Nazi swine ragging on other posters.


    Neo-Nazi denialist swine.
    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!


    p.s. {reptilian heritage}
    A good one.

    Avery I think you discovered the antidote for this reptile hybrid. Thanks.

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  158. RobinG says:

    “a military fanatic” who “denies that laws were made for him; he arrogates everything to himself by force of arms.”

    Describing our current exceptional leaders, eh?

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  159. Svigor says:

    Perhaps a portion of the time spent writing your meandering posts, you could put to better use practicing concentration, an useful quality the dearth of which led you to wholly miss the reason for my mentioning jewish intermarriage rates, not so much a remarkable affair in itself, but simply a counterpoint to the charge of jewish exclusionary attitudes.

    I hope it is clear now.

    Yes, it’s clear: you’re dodging, and have no counter.

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  160. @Sam Shama
    I'll write as simply as I can. In short sentences. You missed the point. "Mommy likes me better" was not what I was trying to convey. Perhaps going back to my original post would help. In #88 I wrote "[...] has an inexplicable antipathy for muslims which is easily stirred when in hibernation to bolster Israel’s case. " Had I meant to assert a seminal or originally favoured attitude towards Judaism, would I have stated it thus? No, my point was neither Islam nor Judaism were 'cause celebres' to champion by any of the FF. Not especially; except Adams who made his mind crystal clear to all. It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....]

    No need to rehash Jefferson and the churches etcetera. I am familiar with the story.

    Once more, let me restate on pain of neglexit sermonem, "forcing ALL American taxpayers to pay...." is an emotionally overwrought statement which ignores the existence of a majoritarian system that admits and allows the tinkering by advocacy interests.

    good night and its time to attend to Widow Jane. :-)

    I’ll write as simply as I can. In short sentences.

    The Italicized is not a sentence it’s a fragment.

    Not especially; except Adams who made his mind crystal clear to all.

    What does this mean? Is it a sentence?

    It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....]

    Is this a sentence, a short sentence, or even a grammatical construction? I am not aware of the value as punctuation of ” [ ] ”

    Ron Unz just warned the commentariat against using poor grammar.

    sigh.

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    Hahaaa, my remark on short sentences got your goat, eh? No need to sound so chippy, old man. Mean body temperature having risen a few notches, you failed to notice your own little 'sigh' at the very end: what was it precisely? A vocative declension? LOL

    I was writing in the late hours with an eye to suit a particular audience: the median American. A piece for the London Review of Books or the Oxford Literary Festival would have witnessed a pen at an entirely different level.

    , @SolontoCroesus
    ---

    Having dealt with Sam's patronizing prose, let us turn to the essentials of the claims.

    1. Overall, Sam's insistence that this, that or the other attitude is "in the dna" of the American people is deeply offensive. It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?

    2. Sam's sets of claims and quotes confuse the religion of Islam and of Judaism with the political entities, Muslim and Jewish. The vitriolic statement by Adams that Sam spotlighted relates to Mohammad's political activity; there is no reference to the religious or spiritual beliefs and practices of Muslims. With respect to religious beliefs, the Founders, or at least a sufficient majority of them, seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison who argued for equal treatment of all religious beliefs, even those that Jefferson found "degrading and injurious;" while simultaneously resisting attempts to grant privileged status to Jesus or Christianity.

    3. Sam's repeated mention of George Washington's Jewish physician as a "thread" to an America-wide predilection for Judaism, highlights his conflation of the religious and the political identity. Did GW's (religiously) Judaic physician treat the president with prayers and incantations? Did GW's (politically/ethnically identified) Jewish physician inject the president with anti-Islamic DNA?



    4. nGram offers an avenue toward a rough apples-to-apples comparison of Political Islam ("Muslim") :: Political Jewishness ("Zionism"), distinguished from religious Islam and religious Judaism. nGram charts of Zionism and of Muslim show similar trend lines: both were of negligible import prior to about 1920; both experienced a marked increase in the late 1930s. In the post-war years, Zionism declined while Muslim registered a sharp increase. By the early 1960s Zionism's trajectory chased that of Muslim. At nGram's last datapoint, the year 2000, both Zionism and Muslim are at an all-time high of nearly-equal percentage-value.

    The similarity of the nGram trend lines makes sense: the rise and advantaging of zionism is directly related to the increase in distress among the Muslim peoples of the Levant and other regions of the former Ottoman empire; this is evident insofar as it was and is the project of zionists to displace Muslims in the region. That displacement was most acutely experienced with the betrayal at Versailles, when Woodrow Wilson reneged on his promise of "self-determination for Arabs" in favor affirmation of the Balfour declaration granting Jews a "homeland in Palestine."

    4. Sam wrote:

    "It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....] "
     
    "It just so happened" suggests a process as mysterious as the presence of "an inexplicable antipathy for muslims" [sic] in "[t]his nation’s DNA," but neither phenomenon is mysterious at all: both are the outcome of a deliberate and sustained process of zionist incursion into- and exploitation of- the American political (and social, cultural, and financial) systems.
    The process is reminiscent of the ways in which Jews, who had dwelt in German states since about 700 AD, "flocked to" the newly-unified and industrialized German state in the years immediately following the Prussian victory over France, and gradually overwhelmed Germany's financial, political, and social systems even as they undermined Germany's cultural and religious preferences. After the German people had endured over 50 years of various forms of disadvantage that included mass starvation, revolution, persistent attempts by Bolsheviks to overthrow German government, and financial strangulation, Adolf Hitler took the reins of German government. The reaction of Louis Brandeis and other prominent zionists suggest that they perceived that Jews had overextended their welcome in Germany, and that Hitler's government might have the ability to re-orient German society toward German preferences. "Within a fortnight" of Hitler's appointment as chancellor (that is, by Feb. 14, 1933), Brandeis directed that "all Jews must leave Germany." The center of zionist and Jewish power shifted from Berlin (and London) to the United States (while retaining influence in Britain and, of course, the on-going displacement-colonization of Palestine).

    END of Part I.
    Part II will address whether things "so happened" to favor Israel, and also Sam's assertions concerning majoritarianism.
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  161. quick edit:
    The Italicized is not a sentence it’s a fragment.

    should be

    The Italicized is not a sentence, it’s a fragment.

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    You are splitting my sides! Stop, please.
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  162. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I’ll write as simply as I can. In short sentences.
     
    The Italicized is not a sentence it's a fragment.

    Not especially; except Adams who made his mind crystal clear to all.
     
    What does this mean? Is it a sentence?

    It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....]
     
    Is this a sentence, a short sentence, or even a grammatical construction? I am not aware of the value as punctuation of " [ ] "

    Ron Unz just warned the commentariat against using poor grammar.

    sigh.

    Hahaaa, my remark on short sentences got your goat, eh? No need to sound so chippy, old man. Mean body temperature having risen a few notches, you failed to notice your own little ‘sigh’ at the very end: what was it precisely? A vocative declension? LOL

    I was writing in the late hours with an eye to suit a particular audience: the median American. A piece for the London Review of Books or the Oxford Literary Festival would have witnessed a pen at an entirely different level.

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  163. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    quick edit:
    The Italicized is not a sentence it’s a fragment.

    should be

    The Italicized is not a sentence, it’s a fragment.

    You are splitting my sides! Stop, please.

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  164. @SolontoCroesus

    I’ll write as simply as I can. In short sentences.
     
    The Italicized is not a sentence it's a fragment.

    Not especially; except Adams who made his mind crystal clear to all.
     
    What does this mean? Is it a sentence?

    It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....]
     
    Is this a sentence, a short sentence, or even a grammatical construction? I am not aware of the value as punctuation of " [ ] "

    Ron Unz just warned the commentariat against using poor grammar.

    sigh.

    Having dealt with Sam’s patronizing prose, let us turn to the essentials of the claims.

    1. Overall, Sam’s insistence that this, that or the other attitude is “in the dna” of the American people is deeply offensive. It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?

    2. Sam’s sets of claims and quotes confuse the religion of Islam and of Judaism with the political entities, Muslim and Jewish. The vitriolic statement by Adams that Sam spotlighted relates to Mohammad’s political activity; there is no reference to the religious or spiritual beliefs and practices of Muslims. With respect to religious beliefs, the Founders, or at least a sufficient majority of them, seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison who argued for equal treatment of all religious beliefs, even those that Jefferson found “degrading and injurious;” while simultaneously resisting attempts to grant privileged status to Jesus or Christianity.

    3. Sam’s repeated mention of George Washington’s Jewish physician as a “thread” to an America-wide predilection for Judaism, highlights his conflation of the religious and the political identity. Did GW’s (religiously) Judaic physician treat the president with prayers and incantations? Did GW’s (politically/ethnically identified) Jewish physician inject the president with anti-Islamic DNA?

    4. nGram offers an avenue toward a rough apples-to-apples comparison of Political Islam (“Muslim”) :: Political Jewishness (“Zionism”), distinguished from religious Islam and religious Judaism. nGram charts of Zionism and of Muslim show similar trend lines: both were of negligible import prior to about 1920; both experienced a marked increase in the late 1930s. In the post-war years, Zionism declined while Muslim registered a sharp increase. By the early 1960s Zionism’s trajectory chased that of Muslim. At nGram’s last datapoint, the year 2000, both Zionism and Muslim are at an all-time high of nearly-equal percentage-value.

    The similarity of the nGram trend lines makes sense: the rise and advantaging of zionism is directly related to the increase in distress among the Muslim peoples of the Levant and other regions of the former Ottoman empire; this is evident insofar as it was and is the project of zionists to displace Muslims in the region. That displacement was most acutely experienced with the betrayal at Versailles, when Woodrow Wilson reneged on his promise of “self-determination for Arabs” in favor affirmation of the Balfour declaration granting Jews a “homeland in Palestine.”

    4. Sam wrote:

    It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....] ”

    “It just so happened” suggests a process as mysterious as the presence of “an inexplicable antipathy for muslims” [sic] in “[t]his nation’s DNA,” but neither phenomenon is mysterious at all: both are the outcome of a deliberate and sustained process of zionist incursion into- and exploitation of- the American political (and social, cultural, and financial) systems.
    The process is reminiscent of the ways in which Jews, who had dwelt in German states since about 700 AD, “flocked to” the newly-unified and industrialized German state in the years immediately following the Prussian victory over France, and gradually overwhelmed Germany’s financial, political, and social systems even as they undermined Germany’s cultural and religious preferences. After the German people had endured over 50 years of various forms of disadvantage that included mass starvation, revolution, persistent attempts by Bolsheviks to overthrow German government, and financial strangulation, Adolf Hitler took the reins of German government. The reaction of Louis Brandeis and other prominent zionists suggest that they perceived that Jews had overextended their welcome in Germany, and that Hitler’s government might have the ability to re-orient German society toward German preferences. “Within a fortnight” of Hitler’s appointment as chancellor (that is, by Feb. 14, 1933), Brandeis directed that “all Jews must leave Germany.” The center of zionist and Jewish power shifted from Berlin (and London) to the United States (while retaining influence in Britain and, of course, the on-going displacement-colonization of Palestine).

    END of Part I.
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    Having dealt with Sam’s patronizing prose,
     
    Sorry, nolo contendere :-)

    Overall, Sam’s insistence that this, that or the other attitude is “in the dna” of the American people is deeply offensive. It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?
     
    Are you really quite so lacking in an understanding of rhetorical devices as to surmise that 'dna' in that context is not a reference to biology but instead a nudge in the direction of cultural trends? What utility is there of drawing Holocaust museums, Germans etc. into this discussion? Actually I am not surprised. However, your resting pulse needs to head in the southerly direction.


    Sam’s sets of claims and quotes confuse the religion of Islam and of Judaism with the political entities, Muslim and Jewish. The vitriolic statement by Adams that Sam spotlighted relates to Mohammad’s political activity; there is no reference to the religious or spiritual beliefs and practices of Muslims. With respect to religious beliefs, the Founders, or at least a sufficient majority of them, seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison who argued for equal treatment of all religious beliefs, even those that Jefferson found “degrading and injurious;” while simultaneously resisting attempts to grant privileged status to Jesus or Christianity.
     
    Its more than a little ironic that you of all people should attempt to get into the weeds differentiating religious traditions from politics, having claimed previously, indistinguishability in the case of Judaism. Be that as it may, the practical facts were clear enough: the founding fathers wanted a Christian framework for the polity, while making allowances for other religions to exist - small numbers being of the essence, as they were indeed at the time; labourers, special artisans and the like, caused little disturbance.

    "seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison" is a convenient broad sweep and utterly inadequate in doing justice to a raging debate of the period. [A subject for a different thread perhaps]

    Sam’s repeated mention of George Washington’s Jewish physician as a “thread” to an America-wide predilection for Judaism, highlights his conflation of the religious and the political identity. Did GW’s (religiously) Judaic physician treat the president with prayers and incantations? Did GW’s (politically/ethnically identified) Jewish physician inject the president with anti-Islamic DNA?
     
    You might be surprised. I'll only mention Benedict Spinoza and the Lurianic Kabbalah. If you live near Washington, a trip to the Kabbalah-center might be interesting and eye-opening. Enough said.

    The rest of your post is the usual drivel well suited for the Völkischer Beobachter.
    , @Art

    The process is reminiscent of the ways in which Jews, who had dwelt in German states since about 700 AD, “flocked to” the newly-unified and industrialized German state in the years immediately following the Prussian victory over France, and gradually overwhelmed Germany’s financial, political, and social systems even as they undermined Germany’s cultural and religious preferences.
     
    S2C,

    First let me say, I am NO fan of Hitler and Nazis – PERIOD. I have NOTHING against the German people.

    We hear that after WWI Jews destabilized Germany – what exactly happened between 1920 and the rise of Hitler.

    Exactly what German institutions did the Zionist Jews control? Banks, government, media, entertainment? Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?

    Thanks Art
    , @iffen
    It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?

    Simple Definition of metaphor
    : a word or phrase for one thing that is used to refer to another thing in order to show or suggest that they are similar
    : an object, activity, or idea that is used as a symbol of something else

    You can make up shit, but it's the Nazis like you that are (were) the problem, not the German people.
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  165. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    ---

    Having dealt with Sam's patronizing prose, let us turn to the essentials of the claims.

    1. Overall, Sam's insistence that this, that or the other attitude is "in the dna" of the American people is deeply offensive. It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?

    2. Sam's sets of claims and quotes confuse the religion of Islam and of Judaism with the political entities, Muslim and Jewish. The vitriolic statement by Adams that Sam spotlighted relates to Mohammad's political activity; there is no reference to the religious or spiritual beliefs and practices of Muslims. With respect to religious beliefs, the Founders, or at least a sufficient majority of them, seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison who argued for equal treatment of all religious beliefs, even those that Jefferson found "degrading and injurious;" while simultaneously resisting attempts to grant privileged status to Jesus or Christianity.

    3. Sam's repeated mention of George Washington's Jewish physician as a "thread" to an America-wide predilection for Judaism, highlights his conflation of the religious and the political identity. Did GW's (religiously) Judaic physician treat the president with prayers and incantations? Did GW's (politically/ethnically identified) Jewish physician inject the president with anti-Islamic DNA?



    4. nGram offers an avenue toward a rough apples-to-apples comparison of Political Islam ("Muslim") :: Political Jewishness ("Zionism"), distinguished from religious Islam and religious Judaism. nGram charts of Zionism and of Muslim show similar trend lines: both were of negligible import prior to about 1920; both experienced a marked increase in the late 1930s. In the post-war years, Zionism declined while Muslim registered a sharp increase. By the early 1960s Zionism's trajectory chased that of Muslim. At nGram's last datapoint, the year 2000, both Zionism and Muslim are at an all-time high of nearly-equal percentage-value.

    The similarity of the nGram trend lines makes sense: the rise and advantaging of zionism is directly related to the increase in distress among the Muslim peoples of the Levant and other regions of the former Ottoman empire; this is evident insofar as it was and is the project of zionists to displace Muslims in the region. That displacement was most acutely experienced with the betrayal at Versailles, when Woodrow Wilson reneged on his promise of "self-determination for Arabs" in favor affirmation of the Balfour declaration granting Jews a "homeland in Palestine."

    4. Sam wrote:

    "It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....] "
     
    "It just so happened" suggests a process as mysterious as the presence of "an inexplicable antipathy for muslims" [sic] in "[t]his nation’s DNA," but neither phenomenon is mysterious at all: both are the outcome of a deliberate and sustained process of zionist incursion into- and exploitation of- the American political (and social, cultural, and financial) systems.
    The process is reminiscent of the ways in which Jews, who had dwelt in German states since about 700 AD, "flocked to" the newly-unified and industrialized German state in the years immediately following the Prussian victory over France, and gradually overwhelmed Germany's financial, political, and social systems even as they undermined Germany's cultural and religious preferences. After the German people had endured over 50 years of various forms of disadvantage that included mass starvation, revolution, persistent attempts by Bolsheviks to overthrow German government, and financial strangulation, Adolf Hitler took the reins of German government. The reaction of Louis Brandeis and other prominent zionists suggest that they perceived that Jews had overextended their welcome in Germany, and that Hitler's government might have the ability to re-orient German society toward German preferences. "Within a fortnight" of Hitler's appointment as chancellor (that is, by Feb. 14, 1933), Brandeis directed that "all Jews must leave Germany." The center of zionist and Jewish power shifted from Berlin (and London) to the United States (while retaining influence in Britain and, of course, the on-going displacement-colonization of Palestine).

    END of Part I.
    Part II will address whether things "so happened" to favor Israel, and also Sam's assertions concerning majoritarianism.

    Having dealt with Sam’s patronizing prose,

    Sorry, nolo contendere :-)

    Overall, Sam’s insistence that this, that or the other attitude is “in the dna” of the American people is deeply offensive. It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?

    Are you really quite so lacking in an understanding of rhetorical devices as to surmise that ‘dna’ in that context is not a reference to biology but instead a nudge in the direction of cultural trends? What utility is there of drawing Holocaust museums, Germans etc. into this discussion? Actually I am not surprised. However, your resting pulse needs to head in the southerly direction.

    Sam’s sets of claims and quotes confuse the religion of Islam and of Judaism with the political entities, Muslim and Jewish. The vitriolic statement by Adams that Sam spotlighted relates to Mohammad’s political activity; there is no reference to the religious or spiritual beliefs and practices of Muslims. With respect to religious beliefs, the Founders, or at least a sufficient majority of them, seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison who argued for equal treatment of all religious beliefs, even those that Jefferson found “degrading and injurious;” while simultaneously resisting attempts to grant privileged status to Jesus or Christianity.

    Its more than a little ironic that you of all people should attempt to get into the weeds differentiating religious traditions from politics, having claimed previously, indistinguishability in the case of Judaism. Be that as it may, the practical facts were clear enough: the founding fathers wanted a Christian framework for the polity, while making allowances for other religions to exist – small numbers being of the essence, as they were indeed at the time; labourers, special artisans and the like, caused little disturbance.

    “seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison” is a convenient broad sweep and utterly inadequate in doing justice to a raging debate of the period. [A subject for a different thread perhaps]

    Sam’s repeated mention of George Washington’s Jewish physician as a “thread” to an America-wide predilection for Judaism, highlights his conflation of the religious and the political identity. Did GW’s (religiously) Judaic physician treat the president with prayers and incantations? Did GW’s (politically/ethnically identified) Jewish physician inject the president with anti-Islamic DNA?

    You might be surprised. I’ll only mention Benedict Spinoza and the Lurianic Kabbalah. If you live near Washington, a trip to the Kabbalah-center might be interesting and eye-opening. Enough said.

    The rest of your post is the usual drivel well suited for the Völkischer Beobachter.

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    strike 'surmise' and replace with 'fail to comprehend'
    , @geokat62

    Sorry, nolo contendere :-)
     
    Sam, are you conceding defeat?

    nolo contendere = a plea by which a defendant in a criminal prosecution accepts conviction as though a guilty plea had been entered but does not admit guilt.
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  166. Art says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    ---

    Having dealt with Sam's patronizing prose, let us turn to the essentials of the claims.

    1. Overall, Sam's insistence that this, that or the other attitude is "in the dna" of the American people is deeply offensive. It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?

    2. Sam's sets of claims and quotes confuse the religion of Islam and of Judaism with the political entities, Muslim and Jewish. The vitriolic statement by Adams that Sam spotlighted relates to Mohammad's political activity; there is no reference to the religious or spiritual beliefs and practices of Muslims. With respect to religious beliefs, the Founders, or at least a sufficient majority of them, seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison who argued for equal treatment of all religious beliefs, even those that Jefferson found "degrading and injurious;" while simultaneously resisting attempts to grant privileged status to Jesus or Christianity.

    3. Sam's repeated mention of George Washington's Jewish physician as a "thread" to an America-wide predilection for Judaism, highlights his conflation of the religious and the political identity. Did GW's (religiously) Judaic physician treat the president with prayers and incantations? Did GW's (politically/ethnically identified) Jewish physician inject the president with anti-Islamic DNA?



    4. nGram offers an avenue toward a rough apples-to-apples comparison of Political Islam ("Muslim") :: Political Jewishness ("Zionism"), distinguished from religious Islam and religious Judaism. nGram charts of Zionism and of Muslim show similar trend lines: both were of negligible import prior to about 1920; both experienced a marked increase in the late 1930s. In the post-war years, Zionism declined while Muslim registered a sharp increase. By the early 1960s Zionism's trajectory chased that of Muslim. At nGram's last datapoint, the year 2000, both Zionism and Muslim are at an all-time high of nearly-equal percentage-value.

    The similarity of the nGram trend lines makes sense: the rise and advantaging of zionism is directly related to the increase in distress among the Muslim peoples of the Levant and other regions of the former Ottoman empire; this is evident insofar as it was and is the project of zionists to displace Muslims in the region. That displacement was most acutely experienced with the betrayal at Versailles, when Woodrow Wilson reneged on his promise of "self-determination for Arabs" in favor affirmation of the Balfour declaration granting Jews a "homeland in Palestine."

    4. Sam wrote:

    "It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....] "
     
    "It just so happened" suggests a process as mysterious as the presence of "an inexplicable antipathy for muslims" [sic] in "[t]his nation’s DNA," but neither phenomenon is mysterious at all: both are the outcome of a deliberate and sustained process of zionist incursion into- and exploitation of- the American political (and social, cultural, and financial) systems.
    The process is reminiscent of the ways in which Jews, who had dwelt in German states since about 700 AD, "flocked to" the newly-unified and industrialized German state in the years immediately following the Prussian victory over France, and gradually overwhelmed Germany's financial, political, and social systems even as they undermined Germany's cultural and religious preferences. After the German people had endured over 50 years of various forms of disadvantage that included mass starvation, revolution, persistent attempts by Bolsheviks to overthrow German government, and financial strangulation, Adolf Hitler took the reins of German government. The reaction of Louis Brandeis and other prominent zionists suggest that they perceived that Jews had overextended their welcome in Germany, and that Hitler's government might have the ability to re-orient German society toward German preferences. "Within a fortnight" of Hitler's appointment as chancellor (that is, by Feb. 14, 1933), Brandeis directed that "all Jews must leave Germany." The center of zionist and Jewish power shifted from Berlin (and London) to the United States (while retaining influence in Britain and, of course, the on-going displacement-colonization of Palestine).

    END of Part I.
    Part II will address whether things "so happened" to favor Israel, and also Sam's assertions concerning majoritarianism.

    The process is reminiscent of the ways in which Jews, who had dwelt in German states since about 700 AD, “flocked to” the newly-unified and industrialized German state in the years immediately following the Prussian victory over France, and gradually overwhelmed Germany’s financial, political, and social systems even as they undermined Germany’s cultural and religious preferences.

    S2C,

    First let me say, I am NO fan of Hitler and Nazis – PERIOD. I have NOTHING against the German people.

    We hear that after WWI Jews destabilized Germany – what exactly happened between 1920 and the rise of Hitler.

    Exactly what German institutions did the Zionist Jews control? Banks, government, media, entertainment? Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?

    Thanks Art

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    Art:

    Exactly what German institutions did the Zionist Jews control? Banks, government, media, entertainment? Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?
     
    Well, Art, at the time in Germany, it was not Zionists specifically, it was organized Jewry more broadly. Let me offer you a bit of evidence, you'll appreciate the parallels with Zamerica. I should say that the US case seems far worse now, though Germany was on a similar path:

    According to Sir Arthur Bryant, the British historian (Unfinished Victory (1940 pp. 136-144):
    ‘It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities. . They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich. Most of it came into their hands during the inflation.. But to those who had lost their all this bewildering transfer seemed a monstrous injustice. After prolonged sufferings they had now been deprived of their last possessions. They saw them pass into the hands of strangers, many of whom had not shared their sacrifices and who cared little or nothing for their national standards and traditions.. The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions (in spite of constituting) less than one percent of the population.. The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them. So were the publishing trade, the cinema, the theatres and a large part of the press – all the normal means, in fact, by which public opinion in a civilized country is formed.. The largest newspaper combine in the country with a daily circulation of four millions was a Jewish monopoly.. Every year it became harder and harder for a gentile to gain or keep a foothold in any privileged occupation.. At this time it was not the ‘Aryans’ who exercised racial discrimination. It was a discrimination that operated without violence. It was exercised by a minority against a majority. There was no persecution, only elimination. . It was the contrast between the wealth enjoyed – and lavishly displayed – by aliens of cosmopolitan tastes, and the poverty and misery of native Germans, that has made anti-Semitism so dangerous and ugly a force in the new Europe.’
     
    A book published by Princeton University Press in 1984, Sarah Gordon (Hitler, Germans and the "Jewish Question") confirms what Bryant says. According to her,

    ‘Jews were never a large percentage of the total German population; at no time did they exceed 1% of the population during the years 1871-1933.’ But she adds ‘Jews were over-represented in business, commerce, and public and private service.. They were especially visible in private banking in Berlin, which in 1923 had 150 private Jewish banks, as opposed to only 11 private non-Jewish banks.. They owned 41% of iron and scrap iron firms and 57% of other metal businesses.. Jews were very active in the stock market, particularly in Berlin, where in 1928 they comprised 80% of the leading members of the stock exchange. By 1933, when the Nazis began eliminating Jews from prominent positions, 85% of the brokers on the Berlin Stock exchange were dismissed because of their "race".. At least a quarter of full professors and instructors (at German universities) had Jewish origins.. In 1905-6 Jewish students comprised 25% of the law and medical students.. In 1931, 50% of the 234 theatre directors in Germany were Jewish, and in Berlin the number was 80%.. In 1929 it was estimated that the per capita income of Jews in Berlin was twice that of other Berlin residents..’
     
    , @SolontoCroesus

    Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?
     
    Ron Unz wrote an article last month that focused on Thomas E Mahl's book, "Desperate Deception." http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-the-cia-invented-conspiracy-theories/

    The first paragraph in Mahl's Preface to Desperate Deception reads:

    " 'What you are looking for . . .is the file with the whole story in it. That file doesn't exist,' retired CIA historian Thomas E Troy told me when I began my research on this book. 'The material you want has been scattered to the winds, a sentence here, a paragraph there. You have to hunt them out just as I've had to.' "
     
    Approaching "accurate scholarship" about the world wars, Weimar, zionism, the holocaust and the simultaneous take-over of the USA by what Jeff Gates calls a "criminal gang" is a jig-saw puzzle, in which a whole lot of bogus pieces are tossed into the set; an even larger number of pieces are missing, and many of the remaining pieces have had those little round nubs cut off or distorted.

    One piece of the puzzle -- Lords of Finance by Liaquat Ahamed contains several passages that vividly describe the utter destitution and debasement of the German people as a result of WWI, the starvation it caused, and global financial manipulation. I KNOW I've typed out that passage somewhere on the Unz forum, but I can't find it right now.

    Over the weekend as I was sweating to complete a renovation that's already past due, I listened -- again -- to David Engel's 14-lecture series, Understanding the Holocaust. Among the thousand or so other holes in Engel's pilpul version of history, he mentions the starvation of the German people as only a sidelight, of minor import or impact. This suggests to me that Jewish people in Germany did not suffer from the dire effects of the famine blockade, hyperinflation, etc. Rather, as others have demonstrated in articles that are otherwise banned or censored by the zionist power configuration, Jews were among those who bought up German assets at pennies on the dollar.

    ---
    In addition, as S2C has harangued before, and as David McCullough has observed, to get an accurate understanding of the world wars one has to start with the Franco-Prussian war

    http://www.unz.com/article/israel-moves-right/#comment-1449132

    This article in an old, old magazine collection, an 1881 volume of The Eclectic Magazine that I happened to have on my shelf, discusses the distress the German people experienced when, after having worked to build up their institutions and educate themselves and their children; fought against the aggressions of Napoleon III and won; and unified the Prussian and various German principalities, Jewish people from many different places poured into newly unified and prosperous Germany and took over.

    The Jews in Germany, in Eclectic Magazine, Vol 33, 1881

    (nb. I mentioned that Eclectic Mag. article in a comment on Mondoweiss some years ago. A commenter from the MW hasbara squad immediately replied, "It was German propaganda!" Mondoweiss banned me not long afterward.)
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  167. Sam Shama says:
    @Sam Shama

    Having dealt with Sam’s patronizing prose,
     
    Sorry, nolo contendere :-)

    Overall, Sam’s insistence that this, that or the other attitude is “in the dna” of the American people is deeply offensive. It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?
     
    Are you really quite so lacking in an understanding of rhetorical devices as to surmise that 'dna' in that context is not a reference to biology but instead a nudge in the direction of cultural trends? What utility is there of drawing Holocaust museums, Germans etc. into this discussion? Actually I am not surprised. However, your resting pulse needs to head in the southerly direction.


    Sam’s sets of claims and quotes confuse the religion of Islam and of Judaism with the political entities, Muslim and Jewish. The vitriolic statement by Adams that Sam spotlighted relates to Mohammad’s political activity; there is no reference to the religious or spiritual beliefs and practices of Muslims. With respect to religious beliefs, the Founders, or at least a sufficient majority of them, seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison who argued for equal treatment of all religious beliefs, even those that Jefferson found “degrading and injurious;” while simultaneously resisting attempts to grant privileged status to Jesus or Christianity.
     
    Its more than a little ironic that you of all people should attempt to get into the weeds differentiating religious traditions from politics, having claimed previously, indistinguishability in the case of Judaism. Be that as it may, the practical facts were clear enough: the founding fathers wanted a Christian framework for the polity, while making allowances for other religions to exist - small numbers being of the essence, as they were indeed at the time; labourers, special artisans and the like, caused little disturbance.

    "seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison" is a convenient broad sweep and utterly inadequate in doing justice to a raging debate of the period. [A subject for a different thread perhaps]

    Sam’s repeated mention of George Washington’s Jewish physician as a “thread” to an America-wide predilection for Judaism, highlights his conflation of the religious and the political identity. Did GW’s (religiously) Judaic physician treat the president with prayers and incantations? Did GW’s (politically/ethnically identified) Jewish physician inject the president with anti-Islamic DNA?
     
    You might be surprised. I'll only mention Benedict Spinoza and the Lurianic Kabbalah. If you live near Washington, a trip to the Kabbalah-center might be interesting and eye-opening. Enough said.

    The rest of your post is the usual drivel well suited for the Völkischer Beobachter.

    strike ‘surmise’ and replace with ‘fail to comprehend’

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  168. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    ---

    Having dealt with Sam's patronizing prose, let us turn to the essentials of the claims.

    1. Overall, Sam's insistence that this, that or the other attitude is "in the dna" of the American people is deeply offensive. It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?

    2. Sam's sets of claims and quotes confuse the religion of Islam and of Judaism with the political entities, Muslim and Jewish. The vitriolic statement by Adams that Sam spotlighted relates to Mohammad's political activity; there is no reference to the religious or spiritual beliefs and practices of Muslims. With respect to religious beliefs, the Founders, or at least a sufficient majority of them, seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison who argued for equal treatment of all religious beliefs, even those that Jefferson found "degrading and injurious;" while simultaneously resisting attempts to grant privileged status to Jesus or Christianity.

    3. Sam's repeated mention of George Washington's Jewish physician as a "thread" to an America-wide predilection for Judaism, highlights his conflation of the religious and the political identity. Did GW's (religiously) Judaic physician treat the president with prayers and incantations? Did GW's (politically/ethnically identified) Jewish physician inject the president with anti-Islamic DNA?



    4. nGram offers an avenue toward a rough apples-to-apples comparison of Political Islam ("Muslim") :: Political Jewishness ("Zionism"), distinguished from religious Islam and religious Judaism. nGram charts of Zionism and of Muslim show similar trend lines: both were of negligible import prior to about 1920; both experienced a marked increase in the late 1930s. In the post-war years, Zionism declined while Muslim registered a sharp increase. By the early 1960s Zionism's trajectory chased that of Muslim. At nGram's last datapoint, the year 2000, both Zionism and Muslim are at an all-time high of nearly-equal percentage-value.

    The similarity of the nGram trend lines makes sense: the rise and advantaging of zionism is directly related to the increase in distress among the Muslim peoples of the Levant and other regions of the former Ottoman empire; this is evident insofar as it was and is the project of zionists to displace Muslims in the region. That displacement was most acutely experienced with the betrayal at Versailles, when Woodrow Wilson reneged on his promise of "self-determination for Arabs" in favor affirmation of the Balfour declaration granting Jews a "homeland in Palestine."

    4. Sam wrote:

    "It just so happened after a period of about a century or thereabouts, the views on Judaism started to change [I speculated a possible thread in GW's close relationship with his physician at Valley Forge....] "
     
    "It just so happened" suggests a process as mysterious as the presence of "an inexplicable antipathy for muslims" [sic] in "[t]his nation’s DNA," but neither phenomenon is mysterious at all: both are the outcome of a deliberate and sustained process of zionist incursion into- and exploitation of- the American political (and social, cultural, and financial) systems.
    The process is reminiscent of the ways in which Jews, who had dwelt in German states since about 700 AD, "flocked to" the newly-unified and industrialized German state in the years immediately following the Prussian victory over France, and gradually overwhelmed Germany's financial, political, and social systems even as they undermined Germany's cultural and religious preferences. After the German people had endured over 50 years of various forms of disadvantage that included mass starvation, revolution, persistent attempts by Bolsheviks to overthrow German government, and financial strangulation, Adolf Hitler took the reins of German government. The reaction of Louis Brandeis and other prominent zionists suggest that they perceived that Jews had overextended their welcome in Germany, and that Hitler's government might have the ability to re-orient German society toward German preferences. "Within a fortnight" of Hitler's appointment as chancellor (that is, by Feb. 14, 1933), Brandeis directed that "all Jews must leave Germany." The center of zionist and Jewish power shifted from Berlin (and London) to the United States (while retaining influence in Britain and, of course, the on-going displacement-colonization of Palestine).

    END of Part I.
    Part II will address whether things "so happened" to favor Israel, and also Sam's assertions concerning majoritarianism.

    It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?

    Simple Definition of metaphor
    : a word or phrase for one thing that is used to refer to another thing in order to show or suggest that they are similar
    : an object, activity, or idea that is used as a symbol of something else

    You can make up shit, but it’s the Nazis like you that are (were) the problem, not the German people.

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    I'm amazed how unfailingly like a homing pigeon our man flies right back to his zone of comfort, whitewash pail in hand doing yeoman's work on Adolf's behalf. I mean the subject is irrelevant, It could well be botany, but he'd conjure the admired moustache, the bulging glassy eyes, and the spittle flecked rants among the rhododendrons, and proceed to work himself up to a fine lather.

    The result: droppings.

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  169. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Having dealt with Sam’s patronizing prose,
     
    Sorry, nolo contendere :-)

    Overall, Sam’s insistence that this, that or the other attitude is “in the dna” of the American people is deeply offensive. It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?
     
    Are you really quite so lacking in an understanding of rhetorical devices as to surmise that 'dna' in that context is not a reference to biology but instead a nudge in the direction of cultural trends? What utility is there of drawing Holocaust museums, Germans etc. into this discussion? Actually I am not surprised. However, your resting pulse needs to head in the southerly direction.


    Sam’s sets of claims and quotes confuse the religion of Islam and of Judaism with the political entities, Muslim and Jewish. The vitriolic statement by Adams that Sam spotlighted relates to Mohammad’s political activity; there is no reference to the religious or spiritual beliefs and practices of Muslims. With respect to religious beliefs, the Founders, or at least a sufficient majority of them, seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison who argued for equal treatment of all religious beliefs, even those that Jefferson found “degrading and injurious;” while simultaneously resisting attempts to grant privileged status to Jesus or Christianity.
     
    Its more than a little ironic that you of all people should attempt to get into the weeds differentiating religious traditions from politics, having claimed previously, indistinguishability in the case of Judaism. Be that as it may, the practical facts were clear enough: the founding fathers wanted a Christian framework for the polity, while making allowances for other religions to exist - small numbers being of the essence, as they were indeed at the time; labourers, special artisans and the like, caused little disturbance.

    "seemed to endorse the views of Jefferson and Madison" is a convenient broad sweep and utterly inadequate in doing justice to a raging debate of the period. [A subject for a different thread perhaps]

    Sam’s repeated mention of George Washington’s Jewish physician as a “thread” to an America-wide predilection for Judaism, highlights his conflation of the religious and the political identity. Did GW’s (religiously) Judaic physician treat the president with prayers and incantations? Did GW’s (politically/ethnically identified) Jewish physician inject the president with anti-Islamic DNA?
     
    You might be surprised. I'll only mention Benedict Spinoza and the Lurianic Kabbalah. If you live near Washington, a trip to the Kabbalah-center might be interesting and eye-opening. Enough said.

    The rest of your post is the usual drivel well suited for the Völkischer Beobachter.

    Sorry, nolo contendere :-)

    Sam, are you conceding defeat?

    nolo contendere = a plea by which a defendant in a criminal prosecution accepts conviction as though a guilty plea had been entered but does not admit guilt.

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    I unintentionally sounded patronising.
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  170. Rehmat says:
    @Orville H. Larson
    "Former GOP congressman Ron Paul has called the new $38 billion aid as WASTE OF MONEY as Israel is a PARASITE RICH ENTITY and has region's most powerful army laced with hundreds of nukes"

    The estimable Ron Paul. He was virtually the only member of the Parliament of Whores/Knesset West to call out Israel on its bullshit.

    Ron Paul also irked the Organized Jewry by claiming the 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB in 2014.

    On August 20, 2013, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the US-based Jewish civil liberty group, condemned former US Rep. Ron Paul for agreeing to be the keynote speaker at a conference sponsored by Canadian Fatima Center. The Catholic group, has long been designated by Jewish groups as “radical Christian” and “Jew-hater”. Incidently, Mel Gibson’s father Hutton Gibson is contacted with the group.

    The conference is titled ‘Fatima: The Path to Peace’ – calling for the merger of the Church and State in the world government. The conference will be held Niagra Falls’ Scotiabank Convention Centre from September 8-13, 2013. In addition to Ron Paul, the other notable speakers will include Roberto Fiore, former EU member from Italy and John F. McManus, president of John Birch Society. McManus is linked to E. Michael Jones, editor of Culture Wars monthly Catholic magazine. All these three dudes are well-known “antisemites”, according to the SPLC……

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/09/03/splc-ron-paul-mingles-with-canadian-jew-haters/

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    Ron Paul also irked the Organized Jewry by claiming the 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB in 2014.
     
    I've never seen someone make this claim before. Given your track record for accuracy, however, I decided to click on the link to your webpage and found the following statement:

    Ron Paul, not only rejects the official 9/11 story...
     
    that was hyperlinked to the following comment by RP:

    “Think of what happened after 9/11, the minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq and so the war drum beat. That’s exactly what they’re doing with Iran“.
     
    So, according to you, this statement is equivalent to Ron Paul "claiming 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB?"
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  171. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Sorry, nolo contendere :-)
     
    Sam, are you conceding defeat?

    nolo contendere = a plea by which a defendant in a criminal prosecution accepts conviction as though a guilty plea had been entered but does not admit guilt.

    I unintentionally sounded patronising.

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  172. L.K says:
    @Avery
    [L.K.]: a mongrel.POS™. A neo-Nazi, IslamoFascist, Islamophile, Turkophile swine calling everybody a, quote, 'LIAR'(!); how cheeky; a Mongrel.POS™ , neo-Nazi swine ragging on other posters.


    Neo-Nazi denialist swine.
    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!


    p.s. {reptilian heritage}
    A good one.

    Good grief! Avery is off his potent meds again!!
    Another hissy fit by this hysterical Vagina!

    But given that avery, in his ridiculous rant, told a bunch of LIES about me – the boy is a serial liar – I feel compelled to answer the insect.

    Lets see;
    “IslamoFascist”: I don’t even know what this silly smear is supposed to mean, but, given that I am of European & Christian backgrounds & have a clear record here at Unz of denouncing radical Islam, i.e. Salafism/Wahhabism, it means you are making stuff up, lying as usual.

    “Islamophile”; Another LIE. I’m neutral generally, meaning, I’m not a islamophobic asshole like u, who, for your own petty reasons, seem to buy into the Zionist concocted clash of civilizations BS, intended to justify the destruction of every country or organization in the M.E which stands in the way of ‘Israeli’ hegemony. This, btw, is destroying the Worlds oldest Christian communities, killing even Syrian Armenians in the process. These wahhabi savages are backed directly by Israel, or through Israel’s main proxy, ZUSA.
    Your pal sam shame is a Zionist supporter of precisely the entity largely responsible for this shit in Syria.
    I suppose that if I were a “Islamophile”, I would be in favor of large scale Muslim immigration into Europe. But I’m against it.

    ‘Turkophile’; yawwnn… More lies. You see, I don’t give 2 fucks about the Turks, but I care about the truth, which u do not.
    So, when you repeat, again & again, the stale old lie that the Turks from Turkey r Uighurs from China, as opposed to who they really are, i.e. , turkified Anatolians, as modern genetic studies confirm, you are L-Y-I-N-G. If you were even minimally honest, which you are not, you would concede this basic point. But u don’t, bc that is how liars behave. Of course your idiotic reason for doing that, is to delegitimize not only the Turkish State, but its people as well.

    ‘neo-Nazi’; Another lie. I know it is far beyond your extremely low intellectual capabilities – not to mention your total intellectual dishonesty – to understand that not falling for the usual WWII Mickey Mouse propaganda does NOT equate one with being a “Nazi”.

    ‘denialist’; This is in connection to my affirming that the holohoax is largely a fraud, given that its 3 main tenets are all FALSE.
    Guilty as charged.

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    {Good grief! Avery is off his potent meds again!!
    Another hissy fit by this hysterical Vagina!}


    Can you be any more reptilian you mongrel.POS™?
    "off meds again"? you idiot: is your primitive reptilian cortex unable to come up with anything original?

    And no need to debunk - again - your Holocaust denialist LIES, your 'turkified Anatolians' ..... LIES......

    What the heck is an 'Anatolian' you ignoramus LIAR? There is no such thing: it's a word cooked up by invadonomad UygurTürkoğlar to create the fiction that the nomads were there all along.

    There is no 'Anatolian' people.
    There is no 'Anatolian' language.
    There is no 'Anatolian' cuisine.
    There is no 'Anatolian' anything.

    And here is one for your Vagina, Schweinhund mongrel.POS™.
    I know you like it so much, that you become hysterically giddy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad#/media/File:Stalingrad-dead_bodies.jpg

    Schweinhund Nazi invader POSs cut down to pork-chops, ready to fertilize the rich Russian soil, which they were trying to steal. But of course that too is a hoax. Everything is a hoax for neo-Nazi Schweinhunden.
    WW2 never happened.
    Nazis did not murder 10s of millions.

    Neo-Nazi denialist swine.
    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!
    , @Avery
    {....as modern genetic studies confirm,}


    No they don't: one opinion based on limited sample collected from who? where? .....confirms nothing.

    And what happened to that Armenian doctor you kept bringing up? Is it because I caught you in a Turkophile lie ? Spreading misinformation from the lying IslamoFascist rag Hurriyet?

    One more thing: many of the Nazi officers who organized the mass murder of civilians - Jews, Russians, Polish people, other Slavs, and other 'Untermenschen' - got their training assisting their WW1 allies, Turks, commit the Armenian Genocide.
    Buy AG too is a hoax. Right, you neo-Nazi denialist mongrel.POS™?
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  173. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    It sounds like the propaganda the holocaust museum consistently employs to vilify the German people and government. It is a racist, bigoted, and, ultimately, an ignorant statement: how does an attitude or opinion or judgment enter the biology of a single human being, much less an entire and diverse collective of human beings?

    Simple Definition of metaphor
    : a word or phrase for one thing that is used to refer to another thing in order to show or suggest that they are similar
    : an object, activity, or idea that is used as a symbol of something else

    You can make up shit, but it's the Nazis like you that are (were) the problem, not the German people.

    I’m amazed how unfailingly like a homing pigeon our man flies right back to his zone of comfort, whitewash pail in hand doing yeoman’s work on Adolf’s behalf. I mean the subject is irrelevant, It could well be botany, but he’d conjure the admired moustache, the bulging glassy eyes, and the spittle flecked rants among the rhododendrons, and proceed to work himself up to a fine lather.

    The result: droppings.

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  174. L.K says:
    @Art

    The process is reminiscent of the ways in which Jews, who had dwelt in German states since about 700 AD, “flocked to” the newly-unified and industrialized German state in the years immediately following the Prussian victory over France, and gradually overwhelmed Germany’s financial, political, and social systems even as they undermined Germany’s cultural and religious preferences.
     
    S2C,

    First let me say, I am NO fan of Hitler and Nazis – PERIOD. I have NOTHING against the German people.

    We hear that after WWI Jews destabilized Germany – what exactly happened between 1920 and the rise of Hitler.

    Exactly what German institutions did the Zionist Jews control? Banks, government, media, entertainment? Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?

    Thanks Art

    Art:

    Exactly what German institutions did the Zionist Jews control? Banks, government, media, entertainment? Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?

    Well, Art, at the time in Germany, it was not Zionists specifically, it was organized Jewry more broadly. Let me offer you a bit of evidence, you’ll appreciate the parallels with Zamerica. I should say that the US case seems far worse now, though Germany was on a similar path:

    According to Sir Arthur Bryant, the British historian (Unfinished Victory (1940 pp. 136-144):
    ‘It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities. . They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich. Most of it came into their hands during the inflation.. But to those who had lost their all this bewildering transfer seemed a monstrous injustice. After prolonged sufferings they had now been deprived of their last possessions. They saw them pass into the hands of strangers, many of whom had not shared their sacrifices and who cared little or nothing for their national standards and traditions.. The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions (in spite of constituting) less than one percent of the population.. The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them. So were the publishing trade, the cinema, the theatres and a large part of the press – all the normal means, in fact, by which public opinion in a civilized country is formed.. The largest newspaper combine in the country with a daily circulation of four millions was a Jewish monopoly.. Every year it became harder and harder for a gentile to gain or keep a foothold in any privileged occupation.. At this time it was not the ‘Aryans’ who exercised racial discrimination. It was a discrimination that operated without violence. It was exercised by a minority against a majority. There was no persecution, only elimination. . It was the contrast between the wealth enjoyed – and lavishly displayed – by aliens of cosmopolitan tastes, and the poverty and misery of native Germans, that has made anti-Semitism so dangerous and ugly a force in the new Europe.’

    A book published by Princeton University Press in 1984, Sarah Gordon (Hitler, Germans and the “Jewish Question”) confirms what Bryant says. According to her,

    ‘Jews were never a large percentage of the total German population; at no time did they exceed 1% of the population during the years 1871-1933.’ But she adds ‘Jews were over-represented in business, commerce, and public and private service.. They were especially visible in private banking in Berlin, which in 1923 had 150 private Jewish banks, as opposed to only 11 private non-Jewish banks.. They owned 41% of iron and scrap iron firms and 57% of other metal businesses.. Jews were very active in the stock market, particularly in Berlin, where in 1928 they comprised 80% of the leading members of the stock exchange. By 1933, when the Nazis began eliminating Jews from prominent positions, 85% of the brokers on the Berlin Stock exchange were dismissed because of their “race”.. At least a quarter of full professors and instructors (at German universities) had Jewish origins.. In 1905-6 Jewish students comprised 25% of the law and medical students.. In 1931, 50% of the 234 theatre directors in Germany were Jewish, and in Berlin the number was 80%.. In 1929 it was estimated that the per capita income of Jews in Berlin was twice that of other Berlin residents..’

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    L.K,

    Germany 1930's


    ‘It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities. . They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich.
     
    JEw Street (Wall Street) controls at lease that amount of American corporate wealth.

    The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions (in spite of constituting) less than one percent of the population.. The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them.
     
    This is totally America today - what is going to happen?

    Art

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  175. Avery says:
    @L.K
    Good grief! Avery is off his potent meds again!!
    Another hissy fit by this hysterical Vagina!

    But given that avery, in his ridiculous rant, told a bunch of LIES about me – the boy is a serial liar – I feel compelled to answer the insect.

    Lets see;
    “IslamoFascist”: I don’t even know what this silly smear is supposed to mean, but, given that I am of European & Christian backgrounds & have a clear record here at Unz of denouncing radical Islam, i.e. Salafism/Wahhabism, it means you are making stuff up, lying as usual.

    “Islamophile”; Another LIE. I’m neutral generally, meaning, I’m not a islamophobic asshole like u, who, for your own petty reasons, seem to buy into the Zionist concocted clash of civilizations BS, intended to justify the destruction of every country or organization in the M.E which stands in the way of ‘Israeli’ hegemony. This, btw, is destroying the Worlds oldest Christian communities, killing even Syrian Armenians in the process. These wahhabi savages are backed directly by Israel, or through Israel’s main proxy, ZUSA.
    Your pal sam shame is a Zionist supporter of precisely the entity largely responsible for this shit in Syria.
    I suppose that if I were a “Islamophile”, I would be in favor of large scale Muslim immigration into Europe. But I’m against it.

    ‘Turkophile’; yawwnn... More lies. You see, I don’t give 2 fucks about the Turks, but I care about the truth, which u do not.
    So, when you repeat, again & again, the stale old lie that the Turks from Turkey r Uighurs from China, as opposed to who they really are, i.e. , turkified Anatolians, as modern genetic studies confirm, you are L-Y-I-N-G. If you were even minimally honest, which you are not, you would concede this basic point. But u don’t, bc that is how liars behave. Of course your idiotic reason for doing that, is to delegitimize not only the Turkish State, but its people as well.

    ‘neo-Nazi’; Another lie. I know it is far beyond your extremely low intellectual capabilities – not to mention your total intellectual dishonesty – to understand that not falling for the usual WWII Mickey Mouse propaganda does NOT equate one with being a “Nazi”.

    ‘denialist’; This is in connection to my affirming that the holohoax is largely a fraud, given that its 3 main tenets are all FALSE.
    Guilty as charged.

    {Good grief! Avery is off his potent meds again!!
    Another hissy fit by this hysterical Vagina!}

    Can you be any more reptilian you mongrel.POS™?
    “off meds again”? you idiot: is your primitive reptilian cortex unable to come up with anything original?

    And no need to debunk – again – your Holocaust denialist LIES, your ‘turkified Anatolians’ ….. LIES……

    What the heck is an ‘Anatolian’ you ignoramus LIAR? There is no such thing: it’s a word cooked up by invadonomad UygurTürkoğlar to create the fiction that the nomads were there all along.

    There is no ‘Anatolian’ people.
    There is no ‘Anatolian’ language.
    There is no ‘Anatolian’ cuisine.
    There is no ‘Anatolian’ anything.

    And here is one for your Vagina, Schweinhund mongrel.POS™.
    I know you like it so much, that you become hysterically giddy.

    Schweinhund Nazi invader POSs cut down to pork-chops, ready to fertilize the rich Russian soil, which they were trying to steal. But of course that too is a hoax. Everything is a hoax for neo-Nazi Schweinhunden.
    WW2 never happened.
    Nazis did not murder 10s of millions.

    Neo-Nazi denialist swine.
    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

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  176. Avery says:
    @L.K
    Good grief! Avery is off his potent meds again!!
    Another hissy fit by this hysterical Vagina!

    But given that avery, in his ridiculous rant, told a bunch of LIES about me – the boy is a serial liar – I feel compelled to answer the insect.

    Lets see;
    “IslamoFascist”: I don’t even know what this silly smear is supposed to mean, but, given that I am of European & Christian backgrounds & have a clear record here at Unz of denouncing radical Islam, i.e. Salafism/Wahhabism, it means you are making stuff up, lying as usual.

    “Islamophile”; Another LIE. I’m neutral generally, meaning, I’m not a islamophobic asshole like u, who, for your own petty reasons, seem to buy into the Zionist concocted clash of civilizations BS, intended to justify the destruction of every country or organization in the M.E which stands in the way of ‘Israeli’ hegemony. This, btw, is destroying the Worlds oldest Christian communities, killing even Syrian Armenians in the process. These wahhabi savages are backed directly by Israel, or through Israel’s main proxy, ZUSA.
    Your pal sam shame is a Zionist supporter of precisely the entity largely responsible for this shit in Syria.
    I suppose that if I were a “Islamophile”, I would be in favor of large scale Muslim immigration into Europe. But I’m against it.

    ‘Turkophile’; yawwnn... More lies. You see, I don’t give 2 fucks about the Turks, but I care about the truth, which u do not.
    So, when you repeat, again & again, the stale old lie that the Turks from Turkey r Uighurs from China, as opposed to who they really are, i.e. , turkified Anatolians, as modern genetic studies confirm, you are L-Y-I-N-G. If you were even minimally honest, which you are not, you would concede this basic point. But u don’t, bc that is how liars behave. Of course your idiotic reason for doing that, is to delegitimize not only the Turkish State, but its people as well.

    ‘neo-Nazi’; Another lie. I know it is far beyond your extremely low intellectual capabilities – not to mention your total intellectual dishonesty – to understand that not falling for the usual WWII Mickey Mouse propaganda does NOT equate one with being a “Nazi”.

    ‘denialist’; This is in connection to my affirming that the holohoax is largely a fraud, given that its 3 main tenets are all FALSE.
    Guilty as charged.

    {….as modern genetic studies confirm,}

    No they don’t: one opinion based on limited sample collected from who? where? …..confirms nothing.

    And what happened to that Armenian doctor you kept bringing up? Is it because I caught you in a Turkophile lie ? Spreading misinformation from the lying IslamoFascist rag Hurriyet?

    One more thing: many of the Nazi officers who organized the mass murder of civilians – Jews, Russians, Polish people, other Slavs, and other ‘Untermenschen’ – got their training assisting their WW1 allies, Turks, commit the Armenian Genocide.
    Buy AG too is a hoax. Right, you neo-Nazi denialist mongrel.POS™?

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  177. geokat62 says:
    @Rehmat
    Ron Paul also irked the Organized Jewry by claiming the 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB in 2014.

    On August 20, 2013, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the US-based Jewish civil liberty group, condemned former US Rep. Ron Paul for agreeing to be the keynote speaker at a conference sponsored by Canadian Fatima Center. The Catholic group, has long been designated by Jewish groups as “radical Christian” and “Jew-hater”. Incidently, Mel Gibson’s father Hutton Gibson is contacted with the group.

    The conference is titled ‘Fatima: The Path to Peace’ – calling for the merger of the Church and State in the world government. The conference will be held Niagra Falls’ Scotiabank Convention Centre from September 8-13, 2013. In addition to Ron Paul, the other notable speakers will include Roberto Fiore, former EU member from Italy and John F. McManus, president of John Birch Society. McManus is linked to E. Michael Jones, editor of Culture Wars monthly Catholic magazine. All these three dudes are well-known “antisemites”, according to the SPLC......

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/09/03/splc-ron-paul-mingles-with-canadian-jew-haters/

    Ron Paul also irked the Organized Jewry by claiming the 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB in 2014.

    I’ve never seen someone make this claim before. Given your track record for accuracy, however, I decided to click on the link to your webpage and found the following statement:

    Ron Paul, not only rejects the official 9/11 story…

    that was hyperlinked to the following comment by RP:

    “Think of what happened after 9/11, the minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq and so the war drum beat. That’s exactly what they’re doing with Iran“.

    So, according to you, this statement is equivalent to Ron Paul “claiming 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB?”

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    While it's true that RP made the following quote:

    “Think of what happened after 9/11, the minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq and so the war drum beat. That’s exactly what they’re doing with Iran“.
     
    I managed to find the entire context in which he made it:

    U.S. Republican presidential candidate and Congressman Ron Paul listens to questions at a Town Hall meeting at the Ericson Public Library during a campaign stop in Boone, Iowa December 8, 2011.

    Ron Paul stopped in Ames, Iowa on the campaign trail on Thursday, and used some harsh words to explain President George W Bush’s reaction to the September 11 terrorist attacks.
    Specifically, the Texas congressman said that the former president was pretty happy about the events. After all, said Paul, the attacks served as pretext to finally put American troops overseas in what instantly became a justifiable reason for war.

    “Think of what happened after 9/11,” Paul told a crowd of around 1,000 in Ames this week. “The minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq, and so the war drums beat.”

    What’s more, said the presidential hopeful, is that a decade later, the current administration is creating excitement themselves over what is erupting with enemy forces overseas.

    “That’s exactly what they’re doing now with Iran,” said Paul.

    Tensions between Washington and Tehran have been high for years, but talks of a budding nuclear program in Iran has America and its allies up in arms over what could be developing overseas. The loss of a high-tech American drone aircraft in Iran last week has only escalated a stand-off between nations, as Washington and Tehran bicker back in forth in the days since over what the craft was doing in the skies above Iran and whether or not Iran has actually recovered the craft.

    Paul has been a critic of both the Bush and Obama administrations, but speaking from the campus of Iowa State this week, revealed that the excuses that each president has used to embroil American forces in overseas skirmishes are eerily similar.

    “I think extremists have taken over,” said Paul. “They’re the ones that run the foreign policy and that convinced us as a country to go along with all these wars.”

    From Ames on Thursday, the National Journal reports that Paul’s audience was unperturbed by the statement. A reporter with the paper relayed the statements to the rest of the world by way of Twitter, in which one critic in particular, however, shares sentiments about the libertarian-leaning GOP candidate. Former Bush administration official Ari Fleischer fired back at Paul’s statements, saying simply, “The man is nuts.”

    Paul’s statements aren’t anything new for the libertarian icon, who has opposed the Bush administration’s reaction and response to 9/11 for some time. During a televised debate of Republican Party candidates earlier this year, Paul put the blame of the attacks on America itself, saying, "They attacked us because we have been over there bombing them for 10 years."

    "If we think we can do that (occupy foreign lands) and not have retaliation, we are kidding ourselves."


    https://www.rt.com/usa/ron-paul-bush-iran-449/

     

    Guess what headline the editors came up with for this article? No, it wasn't "Ron Paul claims 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB," it was the slightly different "Ron Paul says Bush was thrilled with 9/11."
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  178. Art says:
    @L.K
    Art:

    Exactly what German institutions did the Zionist Jews control? Banks, government, media, entertainment? Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?
     
    Well, Art, at the time in Germany, it was not Zionists specifically, it was organized Jewry more broadly. Let me offer you a bit of evidence, you'll appreciate the parallels with Zamerica. I should say that the US case seems far worse now, though Germany was on a similar path:

    According to Sir Arthur Bryant, the British historian (Unfinished Victory (1940 pp. 136-144):
    ‘It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities. . They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich. Most of it came into their hands during the inflation.. But to those who had lost their all this bewildering transfer seemed a monstrous injustice. After prolonged sufferings they had now been deprived of their last possessions. They saw them pass into the hands of strangers, many of whom had not shared their sacrifices and who cared little or nothing for their national standards and traditions.. The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions (in spite of constituting) less than one percent of the population.. The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them. So were the publishing trade, the cinema, the theatres and a large part of the press – all the normal means, in fact, by which public opinion in a civilized country is formed.. The largest newspaper combine in the country with a daily circulation of four millions was a Jewish monopoly.. Every year it became harder and harder for a gentile to gain or keep a foothold in any privileged occupation.. At this time it was not the ‘Aryans’ who exercised racial discrimination. It was a discrimination that operated without violence. It was exercised by a minority against a majority. There was no persecution, only elimination. . It was the contrast between the wealth enjoyed – and lavishly displayed – by aliens of cosmopolitan tastes, and the poverty and misery of native Germans, that has made anti-Semitism so dangerous and ugly a force in the new Europe.’
     
    A book published by Princeton University Press in 1984, Sarah Gordon (Hitler, Germans and the "Jewish Question") confirms what Bryant says. According to her,

    ‘Jews were never a large percentage of the total German population; at no time did they exceed 1% of the population during the years 1871-1933.’ But she adds ‘Jews were over-represented in business, commerce, and public and private service.. They were especially visible in private banking in Berlin, which in 1923 had 150 private Jewish banks, as opposed to only 11 private non-Jewish banks.. They owned 41% of iron and scrap iron firms and 57% of other metal businesses.. Jews were very active in the stock market, particularly in Berlin, where in 1928 they comprised 80% of the leading members of the stock exchange. By 1933, when the Nazis began eliminating Jews from prominent positions, 85% of the brokers on the Berlin Stock exchange were dismissed because of their "race".. At least a quarter of full professors and instructors (at German universities) had Jewish origins.. In 1905-6 Jewish students comprised 25% of the law and medical students.. In 1931, 50% of the 234 theatre directors in Germany were Jewish, and in Berlin the number was 80%.. In 1929 it was estimated that the per capita income of Jews in Berlin was twice that of other Berlin residents..’
     

    L.K,

    Germany 1930′s

    ‘It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities. . They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich.

    JEw Street (Wall Street) controls at lease that amount of American corporate wealth.

    The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions (in spite of constituting) less than one percent of the population.. The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them.

    This is totally America today – what is going to happen?

    Art

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    Hey Art,

    On its own, probably nothing. Americans are too insouciant. But there is the 9-11 thing.

    Clearly, OBL/Al-Qaeada, did not have the capabilities to do 9-11, not at all.
    But who, who had the motive and the means to carry out – and get alway with – such a murderous and complex operation?

    US Marine Corps veteran, Vietnam veteran, graduate of the US Army War College & a Director of Studies at the US Army War College for over 5 years, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, says that after studying the facts surrounding 9/11 he is 100% certain that ISRAEL DID IT.
    Listen to what he says:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jwieqSNpnM

    @1:14 more or less, Dr.Sabrosky says that if the American people ever find out about it, Zionism and Israel are finished."it’ll be a brutal war, and they are gone”.

    I think he is right... and that is why there never was a real investigation, the evidence was destroyed, and no real investigation will ever be allowed to take place.
    9-11 is like the USS Liberty on roids.

    Cheers
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  179. Rehmat says:
    @RobinG
    I almost forgot: this Big Criminal is gone at last, and unfortunately our President has to pay tribute. So obvious, one man's terrorist is another's (in this case a country's) national hero.

    "Shimon Peres, who passed away Wednesday aged 93 after suffering a stroke on 13 September, epitomised the disparity between Israel’s image in the West and the reality of its bloody, colonial policies in Palestine and the wider region."
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20160928-shimon-peres-israeli-war-criminal-whose-victims-the-west-ignored/

    Here are some of the evil deeds of Shimon Peres which you wouldn’t find in the western press.

    “Truth must be said, I do admire fierce President Ahmadinejad almost as much as I despise war criminal Shimon Peres,” Israeli-born British author Gilad Atzmon, October 4, 2009.

    Peres was a wolf in sheep clothing. While he pretended to be a peacemaker. He was a member of Jewish terrorist organization Haganah which took part in the ethnic-cleansing of the nearly 400 Muslim and Christian Palestinian villages and towns.

    Peres is also credited with masterminding the theft of bomb-grade uranium from American NUMEC’s Apollo facility in the 1960s.

    American investigative journalist and author, Christopher Bollyn, in his book, Solving 9/11 has exposed Shimon Peres as one of the ‘Masterminds’ behind the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in United States.

    Shimon Peres gave his Norwegian pal Terje Roed Larsen, the UN special coordinator for Middle East peace, $100,000 to secure him a Nobel Prize in 1994.

    In 1975, as secret minutes have since revealed, Peres met with South African Defence Minister PW Botha and offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime. In 1986, Peres authorized the Mossad operation that saw nuclear whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu kidnapped in Rome.

    As prime minister in 1996, Peres ordered and oversaw Operation Grapes of Wrath when Israeli armed forces killed some 154 civilians in Lebanon and injured another 351. The operation, widely believed to have been a pre-election show of strength, saw Lebanese civilians intentionally targeted.

    In November 2012, Shimon Peres while opening Europe’s largest Holocaust Museum (est. cost $60 million) in Moscow asked president Putin and Barack Obama to join together “to put an end to the dark terror and threat posed by Iran’s quest for nuclear bomb“.

    In December 2009, then Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva slammed Shimon Peres, an honorary Brazilian citizen, for calling then Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a threat to South America, during his speech at the Brazil parliament.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/09/28/shimon-peres-the-war-criminal-goes-to-hell/

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    American investigative journalist and author, Christopher Bollyn, in his book, Solving 9/11 has exposed Shimon Peres as one of the ‘Masterminds’ behind the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in United States.
     
    Care to provide some supporting evidence... e.g., direct quotes from the book?
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  180. geokat62 says:
    @Rehmat
    Here are some of the evil deeds of Shimon Peres which you wouldn't find in the western press.

    "Truth must be said, I do admire fierce President Ahmadinejad almost as much as I despise war criminal Shimon Peres," Israeli-born British author Gilad Atzmon, October 4, 2009.

    Peres was a wolf in sheep clothing. While he pretended to be a peacemaker. He was a member of Jewish terrorist organization Haganah which took part in the ethnic-cleansing of the nearly 400 Muslim and Christian Palestinian villages and towns.

    Peres is also credited with masterminding the theft of bomb-grade uranium from American NUMEC’s Apollo facility in the 1960s.

    American investigative journalist and author, Christopher Bollyn, in his book, Solving 9/11 has exposed Shimon Peres as one of the ‘Masterminds’ behind the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in United States.

    Shimon Peres gave his Norwegian pal Terje Roed Larsen, the UN special coordinator for Middle East peace, $100,000 to secure him a Nobel Prize in 1994.

    In 1975, as secret minutes have since revealed, Peres met with South African Defence Minister PW Botha and offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime. In 1986, Peres authorized the Mossad operation that saw nuclear whistle-blower Mordechai Vanunu kidnapped in Rome.

    As prime minister in 1996, Peres ordered and oversaw Operation Grapes of Wrath when Israeli armed forces killed some 154 civilians in Lebanon and injured another 351. The operation, widely believed to have been a pre-election show of strength, saw Lebanese civilians intentionally targeted.

    In November 2012, Shimon Peres while opening Europe’s largest Holocaust Museum (est. cost $60 million) in Moscow asked president Putin and Barack Obama to join together “to put an end to the dark terror and threat posed by Iran’s quest for nuclear bomb“.

    In December 2009, then Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva slammed Shimon Peres, an honorary Brazilian citizen, for calling then Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a threat to South America, during his speech at the Brazil parliament.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/09/28/shimon-peres-the-war-criminal-goes-to-hell/

    American investigative journalist and author, Christopher Bollyn, in his book, Solving 9/11 has exposed Shimon Peres as one of the ‘Masterminds’ behind the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in United States.

    Care to provide some supporting evidence… e.g., direct quotes from the book?

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  181. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Ron Paul also irked the Organized Jewry by claiming the 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB in 2014.
     
    I've never seen someone make this claim before. Given your track record for accuracy, however, I decided to click on the link to your webpage and found the following statement:

    Ron Paul, not only rejects the official 9/11 story...
     
    that was hyperlinked to the following comment by RP:

    “Think of what happened after 9/11, the minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq and so the war drum beat. That’s exactly what they’re doing with Iran“.
     
    So, according to you, this statement is equivalent to Ron Paul "claiming 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB?"

    While it’s true that RP made the following quote:

    “Think of what happened after 9/11, the minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq and so the war drum beat. That’s exactly what they’re doing with Iran“.

    I managed to find the entire context in which he made it:

    U.S. Republican presidential candidate and Congressman Ron Paul listens to questions at a Town Hall meeting at the Ericson Public Library during a campaign stop in Boone, Iowa December 8, 2011.

    Ron Paul stopped in Ames, Iowa on the campaign trail on Thursday, and used some harsh words to explain President George W Bush’s reaction to the September 11 terrorist attacks.
    Specifically, the Texas congressman said that the former president was pretty happy about the events. After all, said Paul, the attacks served as pretext to finally put American troops overseas in what instantly became a justifiable reason for war.

    “Think of what happened after 9/11,” Paul told a crowd of around 1,000 in Ames this week. “The minute before there was any assessment, there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq, and so the war drums beat.”

    What’s more, said the presidential hopeful, is that a decade later, the current administration is creating excitement themselves over what is erupting with enemy forces overseas.

    “That’s exactly what they’re doing now with Iran,” said Paul.

    Tensions between Washington and Tehran have been high for years, but talks of a budding nuclear program in Iran has America and its allies up in arms over what could be developing overseas. The loss of a high-tech American drone aircraft in Iran last week has only escalated a stand-off between nations, as Washington and Tehran bicker back in forth in the days since over what the craft was doing in the skies above Iran and whether or not Iran has actually recovered the craft.

    Paul has been a critic of both the Bush and Obama administrations, but speaking from the campus of Iowa State this week, revealed that the excuses that each president has used to embroil American forces in overseas skirmishes are eerily similar.

    “I think extremists have taken over,” said Paul. “They’re the ones that run the foreign policy and that convinced us as a country to go along with all these wars.”

    From Ames on Thursday, the National Journal reports that Paul’s audience was unperturbed by the statement. A reporter with the paper relayed the statements to the rest of the world by way of Twitter, in which one critic in particular, however, shares sentiments about the libertarian-leaning GOP candidate. Former Bush administration official Ari Fleischer fired back at Paul’s statements, saying simply, “The man is nuts.”

    Paul’s statements aren’t anything new for the libertarian icon, who has opposed the Bush administration’s reaction and response to 9/11 for some time. During a televised debate of Republican Party candidates earlier this year, Paul put the blame of the attacks on America itself, saying, “They attacked us because we have been over there bombing them for 10 years.”

    “If we think we can do that (occupy foreign lands) and not have retaliation, we are kidding ourselves.”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/ron-paul-bush-iran-449/

    Guess what headline the editors came up with for this article? No, it wasn’t “Ron Paul claims 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB,” it was the slightly different “Ron Paul says Bush was thrilled with 9/11.”

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  182. L.K says:
    @Art
    L.K,

    Germany 1930's


    ‘It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities. . They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich.
     
    JEw Street (Wall Street) controls at lease that amount of American corporate wealth.

    The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions (in spite of constituting) less than one percent of the population.. The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them.
     
    This is totally America today - what is going to happen?

    Art

    Hey Art,

    On its own, probably nothing. Americans are too insouciant. But there is the 9-11 thing.

    Clearly, OBL/Al-Qaeada, did not have the capabilities to do 9-11, not at all.
    But who, who had the motive and the means to carry out – and get alway with – such a murderous and complex operation?

    US Marine Corps veteran, Vietnam veteran, graduate of the US Army War College & a Director of Studies at the US Army War College for over 5 years, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, says that after studying the facts surrounding 9/11 he is 100% certain that ISRAEL DID IT.
    Listen to what he says:

    @1:14 more or less, Dr.Sabrosky says that if the American people ever find out about it, Zionism and Israel are finished.”it’ll be a brutal war, and they are gone”.

    I think he is right… and that is why there never was a real investigation, the evidence was destroyed, and no real investigation will ever be allowed to take place.
    9-11 is like the USS Liberty on roids.

    Cheers

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    Listen to what he says:
     
    What hard evidence does he adduce to support what he says?

    Is it any different from the information Gerald Shea included in the Memorandum he submitted to the 9/11 Commission back on September 15, 2004?

    It was a plea for a public inquiry on the basis of Israeli Surveillance of the Future Hijackers and FBI Suspects in the September 11 Attacks and Their Failure to Give Us Adequate Warning.

    Here's the intro:

    I am an international corporate lawyer, writing to you today about a matter of public policy that is relevant to the circumstances surrounding, and our preparedness for, the catastrophic attacks on September 11, 2001. I do not know whether the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks (the “Commission”) or the Senate and House Committees on Intelligence (the “Committees”) have had the opportunity to consider these issues carefully. If so, I hope this memorandum will be helpful. If not, I respectfully urge them, in accordance with the mandate of the Commission’s charter and in the exercise of the Committees’ responsibilities, to investigate the facts and resolve the questions presented.
     
    Here's the Detailed Summary:


    Set forth below is a detailed summary of the tentative conclusions reached in this memorandum, which amply illustrate the urgent need for a public inquiry into the activities of the Israeli DEA Groups and the Israeli New Jersey Group. The inquiry must include, without limitation, the examination of members of the Israel Groups and related persons; officials of the Israeli government and certain of its agencies, including Mossad; FBI suspects, agents of the DEA, the INS and the FBI; certain local law enforcement officials; agents of the CIA (in camera to the extent required); other intelligence sources cited by the public press to the extent possible; the boxes of documents and computer hard drives (referred on page 29) seized by the FBI from the Israeli New Jersey Group; and of all other relevant documents, reports, communiqués and information.--

    1. The Israeli DEA Groups were spying on the Drug
    Enforcement Agency and thus upon the United
    States. The DEA itself has concluded that they
    were probably engaged in organized intelligence
    gathering on our soil.

    2. A highly regarded American journal knowledgeable
    about Israeli affairs, has concluded (a) based on
    its own sources, that the Israeli DEA Groups were
    spying on radical Islamic networks suspected of
    links to Middle East terrorism, and (b) based on
    the representations of a former American
    intelligence official regularly briefed on these
    matters by law enforcement officials, that (i) at
    least two members of the Israeli New Jersey Group
    were Mossad operatives, (ii) Urban Moving, the
    company used by the Israeli New Jersey Group, was
    a front for Mossad and its operatives, and (iii)
    the Israeli New Jersey Group was spying on local
    Arabs.

    3. The intelligence sources of a substantial
    American television network report that the
    Israeli DEA Groups may have gathered information
    about the September 11 attacks in advance, and
    not shared it with the United States. One
    investigator said that evidence linking the
    Israeli DEA Groups to such intelligence gathering
    was classified and could not be disclosed.

    4. The Israeli DEA Groups were comprised of 125 or
    more Israelis operating on our soil. Their
    leaders and apparent associates included military
    commanders and experts with military backgrounds
    in intelligence, electronic intercepts and
    telecommunications.

    5. The wiretapping and intelligence expertise of
    members of both Israeli Groups, and the use of
    vans in local neighborhoods where the future
    hijackers were planning the attacks, and the
    extensive use by the hijackers of cell phones and
    land lines, made the Israeli Groups ideally
    suited to gather information regarding the
    hijackers’ plans.

    6. The principal operation of the Israeli DEA Groups
    was located in and around Hollywood, Florida, the
    central training and staging ground for the
    hijacking of North and South Tower Planes and the
    Pennsylvania Plane. The addresses and places of
    residence of the members of the Israeli DEA
    Groups in Hollywood itself were within hundreds
    of yards those of the future hijackers.

    7. The operations of both the Israeli New Jersey
    Group and the hijackers of the Pentagon Plane
    were centered in Hudson and Bergen Counties in
    New Jersey, within a common radius of about
    six miles.

    8. All five celebrating members of the Israeli New
    Jersey Group arrested on September 11 were aware,
    when the North Tower Plane struck the World Trade
    Center, based on their immediate reaction to the
    attack and the information said to be contained
    in their van, that the attack had been planned
    and carried out by Arab terrorists.

    9. After being questioned by the FBI on September
    11, the leader of the Israeli New Jersey Group
    immediately fled the United States to Israel.
    His name and aliases appear, along with those of
    the hijackers and other FBI suspects, on the May
    2002 FBI Suspect list.

    10. Israeli intelligence officials have reported that
    two senior officials of Mossad warned the United
    States in August 2001 that as many as 200
    terrorists on American soil were planning an
    imminent large-scale attack on high visibility
    targets on the American mainland. One press
    report states that in August Mossad provided the
    CIA with the names of future hijackers Khaled al
    Mihdhar and Nawaf al Hazmi.

    11. The CIA’s explanation of how Mihdhar’s and
    Hazmi’s names were placed on the Watchlist
    through the spontaneous efforts of CIA and FBI
    agents is not only difficult to follow but, as
    the sole reason for the Watchlisting, hardly
    credible.

    12. Mossad’s own information appears to have come
    from its sources inside the United States. All
    of the facts and circumstances set forth in this
    memorandum appear to show that Mossad’s two
    likely sources of information were: (a) the
    Israeli DEA Groups, comparable in number to that
    of the Arab suspects and who appear to have
    tracked the future hijackers in their central
    places of operation and in other states, and (b)
    the Israeli New Jersey Group, operating through
    their Mossad front in another principal locus of
    operations of the future hijackers, two of whom
    were Mossad agents, and five of whom appeared
    immediately aware of the origin of the attacks on
    September 11.

    13. While little direct evidence supports the
    contention that the CIA was aware of or condoned
    the Israeli Groups’ tracking of Arab terrorist
    groups in the United States prior to September
    11, the CIA’s pressing for the expulsion of
    members of the Israeli DEA Groups when they were
    detained before September 11, their failure to
    cooperate with the FBI, their circuitous
    explanation of how the above two hijackers were
    placed on the Watchlist, and other relevant
    considerations require that the issue be taken up
    as a part of the public inquiry into these
    painful events.
     
    , @Art
    L.K,

    I am not big on the legal system but it could be our only opportunity to get to the 9/11 truth.

    The 9/11 families suing Saudi could open up the can of worms (snakes).

    Art

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  183. geokat62 says:
    @L.K
    Hey Art,

    On its own, probably nothing. Americans are too insouciant. But there is the 9-11 thing.

    Clearly, OBL/Al-Qaeada, did not have the capabilities to do 9-11, not at all.
    But who, who had the motive and the means to carry out – and get alway with – such a murderous and complex operation?

    US Marine Corps veteran, Vietnam veteran, graduate of the US Army War College & a Director of Studies at the US Army War College for over 5 years, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, says that after studying the facts surrounding 9/11 he is 100% certain that ISRAEL DID IT.
    Listen to what he says:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jwieqSNpnM

    @1:14 more or less, Dr.Sabrosky says that if the American people ever find out about it, Zionism and Israel are finished."it’ll be a brutal war, and they are gone”.

    I think he is right... and that is why there never was a real investigation, the evidence was destroyed, and no real investigation will ever be allowed to take place.
    9-11 is like the USS Liberty on roids.

    Cheers

    Listen to what he says:

    What hard evidence does he adduce to support what he says?

    Is it any different from the information Gerald Shea included in the Memorandum he submitted to the 9/11 Commission back on September 15, 2004?

    It was a plea for a public inquiry on the basis of Israeli Surveillance of the Future Hijackers and FBI Suspects in the September 11 Attacks and Their Failure to Give Us Adequate Warning.

    Here’s the intro:

    I am an international corporate lawyer, writing to you today about a matter of public policy that is relevant to the circumstances surrounding, and our preparedness for, the catastrophic attacks on September 11, 2001. I do not know whether the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks (the “Commission”) or the Senate and House Committees on Intelligence (the “Committees”) have had the opportunity to consider these issues carefully. If so, I hope this memorandum will be helpful. If not, I respectfully urge them, in accordance with the mandate of the Commission’s charter and in the exercise of the Committees’ responsibilities, to investigate the facts and resolve the questions presented.

    Here’s the Detailed Summary:

    [MORE]

    Set forth below is a detailed summary of the tentative conclusions reached in this memorandum, which amply illustrate the urgent need for a public inquiry into the activities of the Israeli DEA Groups and the Israeli New Jersey Group. The inquiry must include, without limitation, the examination of members of the Israel Groups and related persons; officials of the Israeli government and certain of its agencies, including Mossad; FBI suspects, agents of the DEA, the INS and the FBI; certain local law enforcement officials; agents of the CIA (in camera to the extent required); other intelligence sources cited by the public press to the extent possible; the boxes of documents and computer hard drives (referred on page 29) seized by the FBI from the Israeli New Jersey Group; and of all other relevant documents, reports, communiqués and information.–

    1. The Israeli DEA Groups were spying on the Drug
    Enforcement Agency and thus upon the United
    States. The DEA itself has concluded that they
    were probably engaged in organized intelligence
    gathering on our soil.

    2. A highly regarded American journal knowledgeable
    about Israeli affairs, has concluded (a) based on
    its own sources, that the Israeli DEA Groups were
    spying on radical Islamic networks suspected of
    links to Middle East terrorism, and (b) based on
    the representations of a former American
    intelligence official regularly briefed on these
    matters by law enforcement officials, that (i) at
    least two members of the Israeli New Jersey Group
    were Mossad operatives, (ii) Urban Moving, the
    company used by the Israeli New Jersey Group, was
    a front for Mossad and its operatives, and (iii)
    the Israeli New Jersey Group was spying on local
    Arabs.

    3. The intelligence sources of a substantial
    American television network report that the
    Israeli DEA Groups may have gathered information
    about the September 11 attacks in advance, and
    not shared it with the United States. One
    investigator said that evidence linking the
    Israeli DEA Groups to such intelligence gathering
    was classified and could not be disclosed.

    4. The Israeli DEA Groups were comprised of 125 or
    more Israelis operating on our soil. Their
    leaders and apparent associates included military
    commanders and experts with military backgrounds
    in intelligence, electronic intercepts and
    telecommunications.

    5. The wiretapping and intelligence expertise of
    members of both Israeli Groups, and the use of
    vans in local neighborhoods where the future
    hijackers were planning the attacks, and the
    extensive use by the hijackers of cell phones and
    land lines, made the Israeli Groups ideally
    suited to gather information regarding the
    hijackers’ plans.

    6. The principal operation of the Israeli DEA Groups
    was located in and around Hollywood, Florida, the
    central training and staging ground for the
    hijacking of North and South Tower Planes and the
    Pennsylvania Plane. The addresses and places of
    residence of the members of the Israeli DEA
    Groups in Hollywood itself were within hundreds
    of yards those of the future hijackers.

    7. The operations of both the Israeli New Jersey
    Group and the hijackers of the Pentagon Plane
    were centered in Hudson and Bergen Counties in
    New Jersey, within a common radius of about
    six miles.

    8. All five celebrating members of the Israeli New
    Jersey Group arrested on September 11 were aware,
    when the North Tower Plane struck the World Trade
    Center, based on their immediate reaction to the
    attack and the information said to be contained
    in their van, that the attack had been planned
    and carried out by Arab terrorists.

    9. After being questioned by the FBI on September
    11, the leader of the Israeli New Jersey Group
    immediately fled the United States to Israel.
    His name and aliases appear, along with those of
    the hijackers and other FBI suspects, on the May
    2002 FBI Suspect list.

    10. Israeli intelligence officials have reported that
    two senior officials of Mossad warned the United
    States in August 2001 that as many as 200
    terrorists on American soil were planning an
    imminent large-scale attack on high visibility
    targets on the American mainland. One press
    report states that in August Mossad provided the
    CIA with the names of future hijackers Khaled al
    Mihdhar and Nawaf al Hazmi.

    11. The CIA’s explanation of how Mihdhar’s and
    Hazmi’s names were placed on the Watchlist
    through the spontaneous efforts of CIA and FBI
    agents is not only difficult to follow but, as
    the sole reason for the Watchlisting, hardly
    credible.

    12. Mossad’s own information appears to have come
    from its sources inside the United States. All
    of the facts and circumstances set forth in this
    memorandum appear to show that Mossad’s two
    likely sources of information were: (a) the
    Israeli DEA Groups, comparable in number to that
    of the Arab suspects and who appear to have
    tracked the future hijackers in their central
    places of operation and in other states, and (b)
    the Israeli New Jersey Group, operating through
    their Mossad front in another principal locus of
    operations of the future hijackers, two of whom
    were Mossad agents, and five of whom appeared
    immediately aware of the origin of the attacks on
    September 11.

    13. While little direct evidence supports the
    contention that the CIA was aware of or condoned
    the Israeli Groups’ tracking of Arab terrorist
    groups in the United States prior to September
    11, the CIA’s pressing for the expulsion of
    members of the Israeli DEA Groups when they were
    detained before September 11, their failure to
    cooperate with the FBI, their circuitous
    explanation of how the above two hijackers were
    placed on the Watchlist, and other relevant
    considerations require that the issue be taken up
    as a part of the public inquiry into these
    painful events.

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  184. Art says:
    @L.K
    Hey Art,

    On its own, probably nothing. Americans are too insouciant. But there is the 9-11 thing.

    Clearly, OBL/Al-Qaeada, did not have the capabilities to do 9-11, not at all.
    But who, who had the motive and the means to carry out – and get alway with – such a murderous and complex operation?

    US Marine Corps veteran, Vietnam veteran, graduate of the US Army War College & a Director of Studies at the US Army War College for over 5 years, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, says that after studying the facts surrounding 9/11 he is 100% certain that ISRAEL DID IT.
    Listen to what he says:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jwieqSNpnM

    @1:14 more or less, Dr.Sabrosky says that if the American people ever find out about it, Zionism and Israel are finished."it’ll be a brutal war, and they are gone”.

    I think he is right... and that is why there never was a real investigation, the evidence was destroyed, and no real investigation will ever be allowed to take place.
    9-11 is like the USS Liberty on roids.

    Cheers

    L.K,

    I am not big on the legal system but it could be our only opportunity to get to the 9/11 truth.

    The 9/11 families suing Saudi could open up the can of worms (snakes).

    Art

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  185. @Art

    The process is reminiscent of the ways in which Jews, who had dwelt in German states since about 700 AD, “flocked to” the newly-unified and industrialized German state in the years immediately following the Prussian victory over France, and gradually overwhelmed Germany’s financial, political, and social systems even as they undermined Germany’s cultural and religious preferences.
     
    S2C,

    First let me say, I am NO fan of Hitler and Nazis – PERIOD. I have NOTHING against the German people.

    We hear that after WWI Jews destabilized Germany – what exactly happened between 1920 and the rise of Hitler.

    Exactly what German institutions did the Zionist Jews control? Banks, government, media, entertainment? Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?

    Thanks Art

    Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?

    Ron Unz wrote an article last month that focused on Thomas E Mahl’s book, “Desperate Deception.” http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-the-cia-invented-conspiracy-theories/

    The first paragraph in Mahl’s Preface to Desperate Deception reads:

    ” ‘What you are looking for . . .is the file with the whole story in it. That file doesn’t exist,’ retired CIA historian Thomas E Troy told me when I began my research on this book. ‘The material you want has been scattered to the winds, a sentence here, a paragraph there. You have to hunt them out just as I’ve had to.’ “

    Approaching “accurate scholarship” about the world wars, Weimar, zionism, the holocaust and the simultaneous take-over of the USA by what Jeff Gates calls a “criminal gang” is a jig-saw puzzle, in which a whole lot of bogus pieces are tossed into the set; an even larger number of pieces are missing, and many of the remaining pieces have had those little round nubs cut off or distorted.

    One piece of the puzzle — Lords of Finance by Liaquat Ahamed contains several passages that vividly describe the utter destitution and debasement of the German people as a result of WWI, the starvation it caused, and global financial manipulation. I KNOW I’ve typed out that passage somewhere on the Unz forum, but I can’t find it right now.

    Over the weekend as I was sweating to complete a renovation that’s already past due, I listened — again — to David Engel’s 14-lecture series, Understanding the Holocaust. Among the thousand or so other holes in Engel’s pilpul version of history, he mentions the starvation of the German people as only a sidelight, of minor import or impact. This suggests to me that Jewish people in Germany did not suffer from the dire effects of the famine blockade, hyperinflation, etc. Rather, as others have demonstrated in articles that are otherwise banned or censored by the zionist power configuration, Jews were among those who bought up German assets at pennies on the dollar.


    In addition, as S2C has harangued before, and as David McCullough has observed, to get an accurate understanding of the world wars one has to start with the Franco-Prussian war

    http://www.unz.com/article/israel-moves-right/#comment-1449132

    This article in an old, old magazine collection, an 1881 volume of The Eclectic Magazine that I happened to have on my shelf, discusses the distress the German people experienced when, after having worked to build up their institutions and educate themselves and their children; fought against the aggressions of Napoleon III and won; and unified the Prussian and various German principalities, Jewish people from many different places poured into newly unified and prosperous Germany and took over.

    The Jews in Germany, in Eclectic Magazine, Vol 33, 1881

    (nb. I mentioned that Eclectic Mag. article in a comment on Mondoweiss some years ago. A commenter from the MW hasbara squad immediately replied, “It was German propaganda!” Mondoweiss banned me not long afterward.)

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    S2C,

    Thanks for the reply and the info. The Jews are masters at suppressing their bad deeds – control of words is the main source of power over the Western world.

    The scenario where they financially destroy a countries economy then buy it for pennies on the dollar is repeated over and over in history.

    The amount of Jew control (not total ownership) over America’s wealth is staggering. The Jew bankers skim a little bit off every non-cash transaction in America. Their rival is only government taxation. With every non-cash transaction, the American people pay Jews and the government a tribute. It is the new serfdom. And of course the Jews through the media, control the government.

    One by one every Western nation has fallen under Jew economic and media control. They are currently working to control the nations in South America and Africa.

    Art
    , @iffen
    an 1881 volume of The Eclectic Magazine

    an 1881 volume of The Eclectic Magazine

    We are on to you SC. You will have to up your game to get anything by us.
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  186. Art says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?
     
    Ron Unz wrote an article last month that focused on Thomas E Mahl's book, "Desperate Deception." http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-the-cia-invented-conspiracy-theories/

    The first paragraph in Mahl's Preface to Desperate Deception reads:

    " 'What you are looking for . . .is the file with the whole story in it. That file doesn't exist,' retired CIA historian Thomas E Troy told me when I began my research on this book. 'The material you want has been scattered to the winds, a sentence here, a paragraph there. You have to hunt them out just as I've had to.' "
     
    Approaching "accurate scholarship" about the world wars, Weimar, zionism, the holocaust and the simultaneous take-over of the USA by what Jeff Gates calls a "criminal gang" is a jig-saw puzzle, in which a whole lot of bogus pieces are tossed into the set; an even larger number of pieces are missing, and many of the remaining pieces have had those little round nubs cut off or distorted.

    One piece of the puzzle -- Lords of Finance by Liaquat Ahamed contains several passages that vividly describe the utter destitution and debasement of the German people as a result of WWI, the starvation it caused, and global financial manipulation. I KNOW I've typed out that passage somewhere on the Unz forum, but I can't find it right now.

    Over the weekend as I was sweating to complete a renovation that's already past due, I listened -- again -- to David Engel's 14-lecture series, Understanding the Holocaust. Among the thousand or so other holes in Engel's pilpul version of history, he mentions the starvation of the German people as only a sidelight, of minor import or impact. This suggests to me that Jewish people in Germany did not suffer from the dire effects of the famine blockade, hyperinflation, etc. Rather, as others have demonstrated in articles that are otherwise banned or censored by the zionist power configuration, Jews were among those who bought up German assets at pennies on the dollar.

    ---
    In addition, as S2C has harangued before, and as David McCullough has observed, to get an accurate understanding of the world wars one has to start with the Franco-Prussian war

    http://www.unz.com/article/israel-moves-right/#comment-1449132

    This article in an old, old magazine collection, an 1881 volume of The Eclectic Magazine that I happened to have on my shelf, discusses the distress the German people experienced when, after having worked to build up their institutions and educate themselves and their children; fought against the aggressions of Napoleon III and won; and unified the Prussian and various German principalities, Jewish people from many different places poured into newly unified and prosperous Germany and took over.

    The Jews in Germany, in Eclectic Magazine, Vol 33, 1881

    (nb. I mentioned that Eclectic Mag. article in a comment on Mondoweiss some years ago. A commenter from the MW hasbara squad immediately replied, "It was German propaganda!" Mondoweiss banned me not long afterward.)

    S2C,

    Thanks for the reply and the info. The Jews are masters at suppressing their bad deeds – control of words is the main source of power over the Western world.

    The scenario where they financially destroy a countries economy then buy it for pennies on the dollar is repeated over and over in history.

    The amount of Jew control (not total ownership) over America’s wealth is staggering. The Jew bankers skim a little bit off every non-cash transaction in America. Their rival is only government taxation. With every non-cash transaction, the American people pay Jews and the government a tribute. It is the new serfdom. And of course the Jews through the media, control the government.

    One by one every Western nation has fallen under Jew economic and media control. They are currently working to control the nations in South America and Africa.

    Art

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  187. iffen says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Is there a short accessible publication that chronicles this Jew crime?
     
    Ron Unz wrote an article last month that focused on Thomas E Mahl's book, "Desperate Deception." http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-the-cia-invented-conspiracy-theories/

    The first paragraph in Mahl's Preface to Desperate Deception reads:

    " 'What you are looking for . . .is the file with the whole story in it. That file doesn't exist,' retired CIA historian Thomas E Troy told me when I began my research on this book. 'The material you want has been scattered to the winds, a sentence here, a paragraph there. You have to hunt them out just as I've had to.' "
     
    Approaching "accurate scholarship" about the world wars, Weimar, zionism, the holocaust and the simultaneous take-over of the USA by what Jeff Gates calls a "criminal gang" is a jig-saw puzzle, in which a whole lot of bogus pieces are tossed into the set; an even larger number of pieces are missing, and many of the remaining pieces have had those little round nubs cut off or distorted.

    One piece of the puzzle -- Lords of Finance by Liaquat Ahamed contains several passages that vividly describe the utter destitution and debasement of the German people as a result of WWI, the starvation it caused, and global financial manipulation. I KNOW I've typed out that passage somewhere on the Unz forum, but I can't find it right now.

    Over the weekend as I was sweating to complete a renovation that's already past due, I listened -- again -- to David Engel's 14-lecture series, Understanding the Holocaust. Among the thousand or so other holes in Engel's pilpul version of history, he mentions the starvation of the German people as only a sidelight, of minor import or impact. This suggests to me that Jewish people in Germany did not suffer from the dire effects of the famine blockade, hyperinflation, etc. Rather, as others have demonstrated in articles that are otherwise banned or censored by the zionist power configuration, Jews were among those who bought up German assets at pennies on the dollar.

    ---
    In addition, as S2C has harangued before, and as David McCullough has observed, to get an accurate understanding of the world wars one has to start with the Franco-Prussian war

    http://www.unz.com/article/israel-moves-right/#comment-1449132

    This article in an old, old magazine collection, an 1881 volume of The Eclectic Magazine that I happened to have on my shelf, discusses the distress the German people experienced when, after having worked to build up their institutions and educate themselves and their children; fought against the aggressions of Napoleon III and won; and unified the Prussian and various German principalities, Jewish people from many different places poured into newly unified and prosperous Germany and took over.

    The Jews in Germany, in Eclectic Magazine, Vol 33, 1881

    (nb. I mentioned that Eclectic Mag. article in a comment on Mondoweiss some years ago. A commenter from the MW hasbara squad immediately replied, "It was German propaganda!" Mondoweiss banned me not long afterward.)

    an 1881 volume of The Eclectic Magazine

    an 1881 volume of The Eclectic Magazine

    We are on to you SC. You will have to up your game to get anything by us.

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  188. Pax says:

    You use too many words to say simple ideas.
    American media and government lie to American people.

    Islam is not compatible with western life unless restricted, not accommodated.
    No sharia, no cover up of horrible events.

    Judaism has been accommodated for centuries and has mixed results.
    No censorship, no American blood and dollars to support anti-American people.

    Western societies show downward results due to cultural poisoning.
    European Union will blow apart due to social stress and crime.

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  189. […] Philip Giraldi, “Israel’s $38 Billion Scam,” Sept. 27, 2016. ( http://www.unz.com/article/israels-38-billion-scam/ ) . Giraldi also holds a BA with honors from the University of Chicago and an MA and PhD in Modern […]

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  190. […] Giraldi, “Israel’s $38 Billion Scam,” Sept. 27, 2016. ( http://www.unz.com/article/israels-38-billion-scam/) . Giraldi also holds a BA with honors from the University of Chicago and an MA and PhD in Modern […]

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  191. @Chet Roman
    As always, an excellent article that you won't see in the MSM. I just wonder how long this corruption of the America political system for the benefit of a foreign power by a small but powerful and wealthy group can be sustained. Will there be a tipping point, like in the 1930's Europe, when the public supported authoritarians? Trump certainly is not that person but I think a large part of the 81% that are against giving more money to the welfare queen would welcome someone who would challenge the corrupt system.

    2016-11-08 00:04:23

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  193. […] Philip Giraldi, “Israel’s $38 Billion Scam,” Sept. 27, 2016. ( http://www.unz.com/article/israels-38-billion-scam/ ) . Giraldi also holds a BA with honors from the University of Chicago and an MA and PhD in Modern […]

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