Israel and crypto-Israelis living inside the US have undermined our nation’s sovereignty. This is serious. These foreign agents have an agenda. And it’s a dangerous one.

Incredibly, even acknowledging that there’s something wrong and perilous and artificial about this ‘special relationship’ (Israel and Washington) is verboten. So the malady hardens and spreads.

But examining this un-diagnosed cancer, measuring its impact, and seeking a remedy is restricted.

“There’s nothing to worry about. We are democratic allies”.

But there’s plenty to worry about.

Zio-US aggression is still at fever pitch. Iraq and Libya may be ruined, but there’s still Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Russia. Conquest awaits. Israel must be made secure. Her enemies must yield.

We are in a very deep hole. And the digging continues.

I examined photographs of this idiot Cumstock. She is attempting the “winsome” look.

I have chosen my sides. I am pro-Israel and pro-Western civilization. You can have your Iran and your Muslims. You can have your wacky Sunnis and Shiites. You can have your mass murdering ISIS killing and raping the Christians of Iraq and Syria. Hillary will not be Israel friendly no matter how much she gets in US Jewish donor money so go vote for her. This is my advice to all you Israel obsessives.
DJT will be neutral on Israel to pro-Israel. Trump is more difficult to predict but he wants us out of the Middle East so this is not Israel helpful.
You must choose between 1.7 billion brainwashed, Muhammad worshiping Muslims and 17 million Jews who have gentile controlling mind rays at their disposal.
So which side are you on boys which side are you on?

Its called the fifth column . The anglo-zionist lobby has been for as long as anyone can remember.
Ur argument about Iran funding and supporting terrorism is laughable at best. Iran funds and trains against takfiri/wahabism ideology and zionist ideology. It as part of the resistance to anglo-zionist dreams of the Yinon project of a greater Israel. it funds and supports Hezbullah. Recognised legitimate political and military establishment with in the sovereign nation of Lebanon. In 2006 along side Christian phalange and Lebanese army they resisted and pushed back the Israeli criminal onslaught of southern Lebanon.
Facts are facts and fabricated lies like that \Tehran sponsors terrorism is another. IE: Look at the criminality of the west Israel and the house of Saud against the Yeminites look at Syria are all facts of western and Israeli/GCC criminality against sovereign states/.
Fabrications of WMD Russian invasion/aggression. Chinese aggression. When will we in the west ever learn from history and all the facts that surround the western aggression towards the world in the name of predatory capitalism and corporatism .
Facts Iran has never invaded any country
Fact Russia has never invaded any country. Georgian incidence was instigated by Shakasvilli and the UN report has stated as much hence the Russians moving in decreased the body count of innocent ethnic Russians. Crimea The Russians had a 40 year lease in Crimea to use their military port and bases. hence when Nuland fuk the EU destabilised Ukraine and instigated a coup d’etat and the coup plotters and winners stated quite publicly to burn all russian to hell and then parliament went ahead and made it into law not to recognise the Russian language any longer . What do u think the people of Donbas were to do sit bak at let the fascist burn them alive like they did in Odessa. The Crimeans voted to become part of Russia 96 percent turnout and over 90 percent voted for being made part of Russia.
China has never invaded any country hence like I have been arguing is the criminal acts of Israel, Saudi Arabia and The US and their results are all their to see .
So lets examine the facts.
1: Afghanistan been occupied by the west since 2001 . Heroin production during this period at all time low ( Check Un data for these actual facts) Heroin production has been growing exponentially ever since the western occupation.
2; Iraq occupation and prior to that bubba Clintons not so advertised war against Iraq ( Madelaine Albright was asked was it worth the death of a million people due to the sanctions imposed and the infrequent bombing by the US during his tenure. She replied yes.Their was noTakfiri s/wahabist in Iraq . We came we bombed/ depleated uranium/Faluja,increase in cancer and look how stable Iraq is today.
3; Libya: Under Qadaffi had the highest standard of living in all of Africa (Check UN stats). Look at it today. Clinton e-mail scandal and 2012 DIA report state that takfirism and terrorism will grow post these events and Clinton had enabled these events in order to destabilize Syria
4: Syria all part of the grand scheme and Docius in Fondem last but not least Wesley Clarke blew the whole lid of their deceptive scheme for global hegemony

Dear Mark,

Were it that our “special relationship” yielded tremendous wealth ,prosperity, justice, freedom and Peace for all, what could any of us complain about ?

What is so “serious”, Mark, is the wholly pernicious assault, AS A RESULT of this “special relationship ,on nearly every aspect of our once extraordinary Nation’s fabric.

That’s the problem.

Look at our Nations balance sheet. What have our “junketed” congressmen done, but exterminated 15 trillion dollars of our nations wealth in a mere 16 years, launching feckless wars against countries that never attacked us?

This is literally “mind numbing” in the scope of its criminality, and “mind blowing” in the vastness of its cost.

It is unconscionable.

This amounts to a one trillion dollar (war) “dump”, of taxpayer money, for every yearly “Junket” to Israel.

Why is this good ?

What about our bill of rights , and the sanctity of our constitutional mandates ? All vaporized under the Neocon regime.

Why is that good ?

And what have the “trillions” we have spent on our Neocon “Homeland Security” actually yielded ?

Do you realize, Mark, that in the U.S. there were more “terror attacks” over the last eight months than there were in the ENTIRE FORTY YEARS (1960-2000) before the Neocons took over in 2001.

What does this say ?

What does it tell you that our country which is now TWENTY TRILLION dollars in DEBT, just coughed up another 38 BILLION to Israel, without any stipulations whatsoever.

Israel in not even required to come up with a rudimentary Peace Plan.

Unthinkable.

But imagine, for a moment, if our “special relationship” yielded different results.

Imagine if the US had GAINED, not LOST , 15 trillion in wealth.

Imagine if our most sacred “values” were reinforced, not liquidated.

Imagine if we were operating an enormous SURPLUS today.

Imagine if the yearly “junkets” to Israel brought peace , freedom and prosperity to everyone.

Now how much of a problem would that be , for any of us ?

So you support a regime that uses banned weapons on trapped Gazans and even experiments with new weapons on the same?

And bombs and shells Gazan water treatment plants, food storage depots, electrical generating plants, UN refugee centers, schools, mosques and my fav, the Gaza Zoo?
Yes, machine-gunning those jihadist lions, tigers and bears must be done!

Israel is the cause of much of the ME grief, as these illegal wars against Syria and Iraq are the result of the Zionist dream of an ‘Eretz Israel,’ which stretches from the River Nile to the Rivers Tigris-Euphrates, paid for with the blood and wealth of Americans.

While Israel’s infrastructure is first class, America’s is deplorable, falling apart, looking like a 3rd world’s because nearly all of the money we should be spending on our infrastructure is going to wage war against Israel’s ‘existential’ enemies.

Islam is the world’s most successful imperialism. It has a fourteen century track record of barbaric conquest and annihilation. You can turn to the Armenian and Greek genocides of the 1920′s for a fine example of mass murder of millions by Muslims. In this case the Turks and their Ottoman Empire. The Aztec bloodletters with their human sacrifices of thousands at a time were not around so long. Muhammad’s legacy is far more bloody and enduring.
In fact it is still with us today in the form of ISIS and other Koran quoting barbarians.

Dr. Giraldi – First of all, the American traitors within AIPAC and its associated pro-Israel advocacy groups receive most of their funding from taxpayers’ money (over $5 billions/year) given to the Zionist entity. The Zionist regime in return spent a few hundreds of millions of that money to fund these groups which not only support Israel’s colonial policies but also provide all cost-paid trips to Israel and Tel Aviv’s 280 Jewish brothels. These American sell-outs to Zionist regimes, in addition to country’s politicians also include senior officials from CIA, FBI, DHS, NYPD, and police departments from all major cities.

The anti-Iran propaganda has nothing to do with country’s military threat to the US or Israel, as both these colonial powers are sitting on nearly 9,000 nuclear bombs combined but Iran’s support for Islamic resistance groups fighting and humiliating the Jewish army such as Hizbullah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

last year, Netanyahu lied by saying that release of $150 billions of Iran’s own money would help Hizbullah and Hamas to kill more Israeli Jews. US government has admitted that it had released only $35 billions so far while forcing international banking institutions not to honor Iran’s purchases from Italy, France, and other European nations.

United States has long been an Israeli colony. So you’re right Dr. Giraldi that no matter whether Hillary or Trump win the November election – the real winner as usual will be Netanyahu.

However, the fact is, Iran’s support for Assad, Hizbullah, and Hamas is deep-rooted which will never change as long as Khamenei is the country’s Supreme Leader.

In July 2016, Khamenei in a speech claimed that the recent carnage in Turkey, Iraq, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia was the work of the intelligence agencies from the US, Israel and Britain with the evil agenda to consign Palestine into oblivion.

“In Baghdad, several hundred families saw the loss of their loved ones at the hands of criminals and terrorists and those who want to promote a fabricated and fake Islam among people at the order of their masters. Also in Istanbul, in Bangladesh and elsewhere in some other countries, people fasting during the month of Ramadan came under terrorist attacks. This is the result of terrorism nurtured by security services of America, the Zionist regime and England,” the Leader said during Eid al-Fitr prayers in Tehran Wednesday.

Ayatollah Khamenei said Muslim countries are the target of a scheme to turn certain political differences into civil wars.

“The enemies are trying to consign the Palestinian issue into oblivion. They want to have the Islamic world preoccupied with internal problems so that the Palestinian issue is forgotten and the Zionist regime is given a chance to pursue its wicked goals,” said Khamenei.

https://rehmat1.com/2016/07/06/khamenei-muslims-are-victims-of-us-israel-uk-terrorism/

The fact is, these groups don’t receive money from Tehran government but charity groups controlled by Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei.

Had not been due to this “Islamic imperialism” in the past – Jews still had been wearing sign around their necks saying: “I’m the bastard who killed your Lord Christ”, or signs in front of Toronto and Calgary’s major hotels, saying: “Dogs and Jews no allowed”.

Reformed Rabbi Allen S. Maller, led Temple Akiba in Culver City, CA for 39 years before retiring in 2006. He taught at University of Judaism in Las Angeles, and is author of several books and has penned columns for several Jewish publications. Rabbi Maller believes the West’s main problem with Islam is that it’s different philosophy from Judaism and Christianity. While both earlier Abrahamic religions got rid off religious ethics from politics, Islamic teachings refuse to separate religious ethics from politics and day-to-day social life.

“Islam is not more violent than medieval Christianity or Biblical Judaism. But in the last two centuries, western democracies have learned the importance of the principle of separation of Church and State to civil peace. Also the wide spread separation of Church and State that is now normal in Europe and North America has kept religion out of political and military conflicts between different nations,” Rabbi Allen S. Maller said on December 28, 2015.

https://rehmat1.com/2016/01/02/rabbi-maller-islam-is-religion-of-tolerance/

The US Congresswoman Barbara Comstock is an enthusiastic member of the Filth Column of Israel-firsters. She is another graduate of Cheney class of war profiteers and traitors to the US Constitution. Seems that the proceeds of lobbying for wars of aggression have been dear to Barbara Comstock heart, particularly because this is the only way she can make a living. – Similar to many other utterly incompetent and ignorant in the US government, the result of unnatural (anti-meritocratic) selection of the dishonest by plutocracy. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/what_did_we_buy_with_the_5_trillion_iraq_afghanistan_wars_cost_20160913
“…the total US budgetary cost of the wars [in Iraq and Afghanistan] reaches $4.79 trillion. … Interest costs for overseas contingency operations spending alone are projected to add more than $1 trillion dollars to the national debt by 2023. By 2053 , interest costs will be at least $7.9 trillion…”

Thank you Mr. Giraldi for another thoughtful article. As an aside, some of the above commentators need to read and write more carefully. Alexander, please reread what Mark Green said (it seems you misconstrued him, or perhaps confused him with Clyde..?) And falcemartello, check spelling and grammar next time, please. Sorry to be a scold but such gaffs undermine your message and do a disservice to the author and fellow readers.

I have chosen my sides. I am pro-Israel and pro-Western civilization

These two are not necessarily equal and similar.

” You can have your mass murdering ISIS killing and raping the Christians of Iraq and Syria….”

Perhaps you are unaware that the “mass murdering ISIS” is a product of the US policies in the Middle East, which were spearheaded by Israel-firsters. The fanatical Islamism has been oozing from Saudi Arabia, the bosom buddy of both the US and Israel. The bloody Syrian tragedy has been going on because Israel wants Golan Heights by any means; the Israelis have been actively supporting ISIS (AL Qaeda) against sovereign Syria. http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-supports-isis/5492807

http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-israel-idUSKCN11J12R

Moreover, the Israel-firsters made the US support the terrorist jihadis in their fight against Syrian state. Before accusing the critics of Israel of being against Western civilization, read Yinon plan and learn about Samson option. http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

“You can have your mass murdering ISIS killing and raping the Christians of Iraq and Syria.” – You mean, the US/Israel supported “moderates” and other unicorns? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/us-support-for-al-qaeda-l_b_10089410.html
There would have been no war in Syria – and no murders of Christians there – if not the Yinon plan and Syrian oil fields. As for the Iraq War, you cannot waltz away from the war-mongering of PNAC and AIPAK. The list of cheerleaders for illegal Iraq War reads like a roster of Israel-firsters: Wolfowitz, Kristol, the Kagans, Feith, Perle, Pletka, Ledeen, Libby …. Don’t even try to conflate Western civilization with Zionism; the latter is a supremacist development on a par with nazism. Take a look at the deeds of your beloved Kagans’ family in Ukraine; the Zionists have been very active in arranging a war between Christians in Eastern Europe. Very civilizational.

Thanks: Philip Giraldi

for all the Truth.

Look at the picture. All those bought political Prostitutes, all those Traitors, beaming delightedly at their subservience to the Face of Evil, the Face of Ethnic Cleansing, the smiling face of enslavement of the peoples of the planet, the face of utter cynicism, the servant of the Rothschilds, the peddler of a Hollywood Holocaust and the face of many ongoing holocausts daily committed (Syria, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Vietnam, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, WW I & II, and more Holocausts to come.

Look at the picture. Identify all the smiling whores lined up with their pimp.

In America, we Patriots must Restore our Republic! We must right the world!

We have nothing to lose but our chains, and our Liberties to regain.

Durruti defended the Spanish Republic! We must restore ours, along with our Honor!

It is an honor to write here.

So many other important topics and issues to write about, instead another story about “evil” Israel.

I have chosen my sides. I am pro-Israel and pro-Western civilization.

Civilization? What’s yer definition of “civilization?”

Here’s a collection of thoughts (one among many) as to what yer claiming to support.

“ISRAELI DEMOCRACY is sliding downwards. Sliding slowly, comfortably, but unmistakably.”

Uri Avnery, The Settlers’ Prussia

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1445000540/

The Islamofascists and the Judeofascists are both Anti-Western Civilization. I choose to deport both groups from the West and let them fight it out between themselves in the cesspit of the Middle East.

Close our borders and the Muslims are no threat to the West. Ending the Judeofascist threat will be harder.

No, it is a story about how traitors in the US government sell our birthright to the Judeofascists, and the American people don’t even get a mess of pottage.

The US signed an agreement with Al Qaeda in Syria (on 9/11!), whereas Israel bombs Damask (along with Christians living there): http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/09/httpssouthfrontorgus-backed-moderates-reject-nationwide-ceasefire-officially.html#comments

https://cruxnow.com/church/2016/05/06/syrian-christians-keep-the-faith-amid-horrors-of-war/

Obama is giving away $38 billions to Israel. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-israel-idUSKCN11J12R https://www.rt.com/usa/359184-usa-israel-military-aid/

And “… many Obama administration officials are pushing for the shipment of billions of dollars of lethal weapons to the post-Maidan government in Ukraine… both the Senate and House passed legislation calling for the United States to arm Ukraine, while Secretary of State Kerry, Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter and U.S. Air Force General and NATO Supreme Allied Commander Philip Breedlove publicly advocated this policy.” http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/ http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-arms-insight-idUSKCN1050ZE https://theintercept.com/2016/08/19/nato-weapons-industry/

Again, so civilizational.

Syria is losing her patience with the arrogant bloody Israel: http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/13/breaking-israeli-jet-and-drone-shot-down-over-golan-heights-by-syrian-air-defences/

Anyone curious as to why only jooies can occupy the fed reserve bank chairmanship? Can’t find a drunk irishman trained up in the modern science of joonomics? Is there a more disgusting blob of protoplasm than the human matzo ball, Yellen ……owner of tits and vagina so beyond criticism? How about #2 Fischer, former high priest of the Israeli central bank? Benanke…..Greenspan…..Volcker…..Burns…..all members of the tribe. Is it any wonder that the 1913 dollar is now worth three cents? Where did the missing 97 cents go? Think about it……..

I can’t think of any “terror” activities Iran sponsors, unless the Buenos Aires synagogue attack was indeed linked to Hezbollah. The US’ Gulf Arab allies are far and away the driving force behind Muslim terror, they were the only countries in the world that recognized the Taliban (Iran aided in the removal of the Taliban). So Iran is fairly sane for a Muslim regime. Of course we shouldn’t be choosing between Salafists, Shia, and Israelis in the first place. BTW, Mrs. Comstock must have been a looker in her younger years, too bad she’s another yankee transplant (and obviously a Repugnican establishment dolt), wonder if she’s related to the famous Comstock.

Hasbara

You must be a jew. Israel is a sworn enemy of Western civilization. They’ve literally threatened to nuke European cities with their Samson Option. Israelis are currently helping the leftist governments of Europe bring in Muslims. Israelis in America also support Islamic migration to our country. Israel recently issued a report stating that fighting ISIS is a bad idea (for their interests). Since Israel, America, and Saudi Arabia all oppose Assad, it’s pretty obvious that ISIS is an America/Israeli/Saudi asset.

Jews are not White. Jews are not Westerners. Jews despise White people and Western civilization. This is proven literally every day in every White country when Zionist Jews demand multiculturalism for us but not for their Israel. Jews are semitic Middle Easterners. They have always been allies of Muslims against Europe, from the time of the Moors til today. Jews are the most vicious, bloodthirsty enemy of White people because they themselves are no Whiter than their Arab and Turkish allies.

Jews are only anti-Muslim when it comes to their Israel. In the West, jews instinctively side with their semitic cousins against Europeans. It has never been otherwise. The conflict is racial and civilization. Jews and Muslims are the same people with minor squabbles. They are both the enemies of the White man.

Close our borders and the Muslims are no threat to the West. Ending the Judeofascist threat will be harder.

Tell us about those Judeo mind rays that got you dancing around like a marionette.

Oy vey goy.

Are you serious? I’m on the side or America. Which means not caring for, or helping Israel. They would be nothing without us.

And if you think Trump will pull out of the ME you’re delusional. He will be a warhawk.

At least you are honest. You don’t just hate the Zionist Jews. You hate all Jews and they are the source of all your problems. They have their mind ray machines cooking your brain until it bubbles over.

Israelis are currently helping the leftist governments of Europe bring in Muslims. Israelis in America also support Islamic migration to our country.

A bunch o bull. There are not enough powerful Israelis in the USA or Europe to influence immigration politics. Angela Merkel let in a million Muslims migrants last year and no Jews told her to do this. Haim Saban has some pull in the Democrat party and this it. And he has nothing to do with Muslim immigration to America.

o/t, just musing, maybe related to “birthright” –

When Moses came down from the mountain w/ the tablets; saw the people had built a golden calf & were worshiping it; got mad, smashed the tablets then delegated the Levites to kill 3,000 of their fellow Jews who were gold calf worshipers, –( but more importantly, if you read the whole story — who wanted to return to Egypt & assimilate there rather than kill Canaanites etc & conquer Jericho) —

who got the gold?

whaddya think, K S A and Chris Mallory —

Does Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs div. of hasbara assign trolls in rotation, i.e. Clyde’s shift is on duty just now; or by topic or author/target, i.e. Clyde is assigned to handle Giraldi?

Here is a monument to the US/Israel-firsters policies in Syria:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/syria-war-death-toll-now-more-300-000-103416137.html

What else could you expect from a tribe that teaches young children to celebrate Purim – the mass murder of the natives of a generous host country.

Not technically Israeli (or does he have dual citizenship?) but Sheldon Adelson and a lot of other Israel-backers tend to be a pro-immigration influence in the GOP.

There are not enough powerful Israelis in the USA or Europe to influence immigration politics.

This where your trolling went from mediocre to terrible. A good troll will leave a lot of doubt in readers’ minds about whether he actually believes what he is writing. You have to wait a lot longer before you start spouting patent nonsense. A decent effort though.

The first part of your comment is historically true. Jews have dominated the Fed. But you lose credibility with the last few lines. A dollar today may not literally have the purchasing power of one in 1913, but a person’s income today affords him a lifestyle that only a king could have dreamed of in 1913. As long as we become more productive as a whole, a modest amount of inflation is offset by both gains in population and the need to expand the money supply to enable consumers to buy the new products created by our increased productivity.

If there were no debt in our economy, then what you say would be true or at least plausible. But deflation–which is what you advocate–really harms debtors, and, since we’re all debtors, your scenario just won’t wash. Your scenario makes the Rich i.e. the creditors, richer because the debt they own is being serviced by more valuable money than that under which the debt was contracted.

If we lived in a cash on the barrel economy, then what you say would be true. But massive investment in gigantic factories, dams etc. rule that out. Debt is integral to a modern manufacturing economy–and we’re better off for it. A cash-bound economy is a backwards economy.

Who said anything about mind rays. You must have gotten a hold of some bad Gefilte fish because you are delusional. But maybe you should talk about AIPAC, AIEF, dual citizens, or the Federal Reserve.

“gentile controlling mind rays” ? Not necessary at all …

In Family Guy it was a roller coaster.

This is an excellent point, Anonymous.

And well stated too.

The amount of inflation since 1913 is not an indicator of nefarious , sinister, and “crippling” back room policy making by the federal reserve.

It never was.

BUT the call to a “decade and a half” of perpetual “war-making” (by the Neocons) based on fraudulent rationales, IS deeply sinister. Moreover, these nefarious policies have “extracted” trillions of dollars from our economy beyond what we could afford to spend.

And since these wars were wholly of CHOICE, and Americans were deceived into war making in the first place, the 20 trillion dollar price tag is an abomination.

I am one who believes that generating humongous DEBT by overspending on things wholly outside the parameters of our constitutional mandates is “poison” for our country.

Starting wars of aggression is not only OUTSIDE our mandates as a Nation , its a heinous criminal act.

There are going to be big problems in the future, when we realize we cannot float this level of debt in perpetuity, somebody is going to have to pay for these wars, sometime.

If the Neocons were all required BY LAW to pay UP FRONT from their own pockets, for the wars THEY chose to start, I do not believe a single shot would ever have been fired.

I certainly don’t want the burden of these war debts placed squarely on the shoulders of our great grand children …..especially when they had absolutely NO say in the matter of “starting them”.

Do you ?

It’s not just Jews you know. It’s all those religious Protestants who are hysterically pro Israel because the bible told them so. Plus the fact that their preachers are paid well by AIPAC to preach the Old Testament and Israel uber alles.

Creditors also win.

There is no redemption in the rule of man.

do they serve roasted prick in a red tank at the Holocaust Bar & Grill?

Question for standardized tests:

Which tired old dodge are Jews (et al) most fond of deploying?

A. Where’s my Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy dividend check?
B. Lulz mind control rays.
C. They hate us because we’re wonderful, oh, and Hitler was Jewish/had one testicle/couldn’t paint better than Warhol.
D. All of the above.

thnx b to god we have alexander to explain US financial problems to us irredeemable mortals.

don’t you agree?

Nice try. You existence is preferable to that of Louis the 14th because Louie did not have a blender, iphone, or the porn channel? Oh, and a stable dollar or even deflation is actually good for those working for a living doing something useful. Inflationary joonomics is better only for the masses of botched freeloaders inhabiting the modern welfare-warfare state…..and their jooie masters.

When I wrote about types of Jews some days ago, a friend pointed out that I had missed a meta-Jew, the Sayanim. That makes a more complex analysis due to the upper stratum of persons and affiliations to cross beliefs and borders.

Israeli population is but a starting point for influence in the broader world. US, Britain, France and other countries have significant Jewish populations. Some among the citizens keep their head down and live in local areas and others lift it up to look at world news. If that is a Fifth Column or an involved person changes by perspective.

Islam is the world’s most successful imperialism. It has a fourteen century track record of barbaric conquest and annihilation.

So the US is only about 250 years behind?

I wonder how the people of India feel about Brit imperialism. Tens of millions died due to their malfeasance.

What about King Leopold’s Congo Free State? Talk about annihilation and a few other hideous crimes against humanity!

Don’t even get me started on Marxists…few of which were Muslim.

wikipedia says Comstock will be challenged by LuAnn Bennett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuAnn_Bennett

https://fcnp.com/2015/12/10/luann-bennett-announces-run-for-congress-in-virginias-10th-district/

Will Bennett bring change you can believe in to Virginia 10th District, or another Comstock load?

Bennett was married to Jim Moran for half-a-dozen years. Moran tangled with the Jewish lobby on a few occasions.

“Democratic strategist Ellen Qualls said the 10th District is “essentially the swingiest district in the swingiest state.” ”
Feel the power, Phil.

That is why as PM of Israel Ehud Barak offered so much (far more than any subsequent Israeli leader has) at Camp David and in his abortive subsequent attempt at a final settlement, because he thought things could only get better for Israel, eh? And that is why the Palestinians turned Barak down, because they thought things could only get worse for the Arabs in the West Bank and the rest of Israel, obviously.

No, the long term fate of an Israel with Arabs in the West Bank being denied full rights is going to be much as apartheid South Africa’s was. The established US policy is Israel will have to give up the West Bank, which will bring about its ellipse as a Jewish nation

Excellent! America is indeed an Israeli colony. And American Jews are not even grateful as they constantly file lawsuits designed to destroy American Whites.

In case anyone wonders I’ll start with school desegregation, affirmative action and court decisions that encouraged, aided and abbeted rampant crime and the destruction of our greatest cities with the triple whammy:

1 dangerous schools courtesy of Jewish ACLU

2 affirmative action dreck civil service

3 rampant crime by blacks and other victims of White privileges such as the White privileged waitress or clerk who just wants to take the bus home after her shift ends at 11/pm without being robbed. Raped or murdered by the black storm troopers of liberal Jews.

Sooner or later, every nation which hosts Jews faces the same dilemma; how to get rid of them?

We are witness, in real time, to the same process which has unfolded at least two hundred times before. Jews move someplace new, make themselves hated all over again for the same reasons that everyone else before hated them. They are cast out (or exterminated depending on how badly they behaved this time) and they move someplace else and start the process anew.

One would think that a people so allegedly clever would learn something from this but they won’t.

I give Jews another 50 -100 years in North America.

Russia never invaded anyone? Russia invaded east and south for a thousand years. How do you think Russia got to Odessa and the Black Sea? Russia went so Far East it now has a border with China.
I get it, you think Russia is always right and Poland, Estonia, Uzbekestan, Khazastan and the rest of Central Asia are and were always wrong but why drag your Russian chavaunism into every thread?
The article is about Israel rule over American foreign policy. Russia is irrevelant.

Anyway, Israel was founded by Russisn Marxist Jews so the 2 countries have a lot in common

Moslems don’t worship Mohammad . Your ignorance is widespread, unfortunately, especially on faux news

King Leopold’s atrocities were British propaganda. Motive was simple, Britain wanted Congo. So Britain created the atrocities. 20 years later during WW1 Britain created stories of German atrocities to con America into war.

Britain is a master at propaganda and the Belgian Congo atrocities were nothing but propaganda so the British could justify going in and taking over Congo itself.

David Gelbaum alone gave $100 million – and $20 million annually thereafter – to the Sierra Club on condition that if the Club ever “came out anti-immigration” it would receive no more money from him.

Ostensibly it was based on his fond memories of his immigrant grandparents and his wanting to ensure that no one else should be denied the opportunity to emmigrate here, iirc, America to remain the sponge to the entire world to clean up every social and economic problem known to man. A dumping ground as it were.

Moreover, Gelbaum’s dear grandparents were illegals, iirc. They were refused entry in New York for health reasons and had to sneak in from Canada. This is the option Gelbaum wants to preserve, assuming I’ve provided an accurate account. Or even if not. Open borders is not about legal immigration. I can’t document that (illegal entry, health rejection) now but let’s leave it that Gelbaum simply doesn’t want to “dishonor the memory” of his grandparents. For that, whites should not object to 47 million immigrants.

The ADL and BB caught the next rocket sled to Arizona when it enacted legislation to permit cops to enquire as to immigration status in making traffic stops. Organized US Jewry to the open-borders ramparts!

That’s an eminently fair assessment, I think. Jews for illegal third-world immigration! With some honorable exceptions, I don’t see any visible objection on the part of patriotic Jews. Nothing like the strong, unabashed support for the Jewish ethnostate.

My prediction is that rather than see such objections the response to arguments about Jewish support for open borders will be the charge of “anti-Semite.” (Non-Jewish morons like the Catholic and Mormon churches also advocate open borders but that’s another story.)

Adelson’s no. 1 issue is Israel and he is also an open borders kinda guy. He donates millions to Republicans, as Saban and Singer do to the Dems. The latter two are also open borders guys. You’ve heard of the Adelson primary which has amazing implications for American politics in general and open borders in particular. Newt, financed by Adelson, was without question in Adelson’s pocket.

No, these are not Israelis but surely you don’t maintain that Israeli policies are not in lock step with American Jewish ones.

The MacDonald thesis of diluting white majorities is a bizarre one (because what he describes is bizarre) but I’ve yet to see one that better explains the yet-more-lunatic Jewish support for open borders. Lunatic, of course, for the notion that Jews will be safer and fare better in a nation that bears no resemblance to the one that welcomed them with open arms and basically enabled them to prosper and run the country. (Cue video of standing ovations in Congress for Israeli leader.)

Not technically Israeli (or does he have dual citizenship?) but Sheldon Adelson and a lot of other Israel-backers tend to be a pro-immigration influence in the GOP.

Not all US Jews are fervent backers of Israel. Many are atheistic and non-committal when it comes to Israel. The number of dual citizenship Mexicans and Central Americans far outnumbers the US Jews who are also Israeli citizens.
Are US Jews mostly Democrat and mostly for loose and stupid immigration policies such as what Obama has been doing? The answer is yes. But it is just plain dumb to claim that Israelis living here (USA) are influencing US immigration policies.

Moslems don’t worship Mohammad . Your ignorance is widespread, unfortunately, especially on faux news.

WRONG! The net of their religious practices amounts to Muhammad worship and I am not the first to claim this. Not by a long shot. And Fox New has nothing to do with it. Calling them faux news is what infantile leftists do.

Name the powerful Israelis in Europe and America. Who do you have in mind? Who are these Israelis who are calling the shots? I really want to know…..lol…. You are tripping.

Why are you deflecting on the fourteen centuries of barbaric Islamic imperialism, genocide and ethnic/religious cleansing? Why do you promote yourself as a defender of the Islamic faith? I don’t get it. I am assuming you are not Muslim, but I could be wrong.
What is your attraction to Islam?

Pro-Israel and Israel-connected Jews punch above their weight. Also look at instances of both Israeli nationals and pro-Israel Jews spying in the US for Israel. You are right that Israel isn’t the top issue for most American Jews and many of them are would agree that Israel is an immoral colonial state, so you can’t really accuse those of hypocrisy.

“Unfortunately, whoever is elected, the pilgrimages to worship at the feet of Benjamin Netanyahu will continue, bringing to mind Patrick Buchanan’s apt description of a shameless and corrupted congress as “Israeli occupied territory.” Indeed.”

If Trump wins and doesn’t cave in it can also, possibly, be a turning point… the zionists have pitted themselves against him… Trump is not hell-bent on destroying whatever is in the way of zionist hegemony… he is not putting “Israel” first.

I agree with every point you make.

Ever more efficient manufacturing techniques and line organization, scientific discoveries, division of labor and investment capital work together in a virtuous cycle that produces more goods and services this year than were produced last year. This frees some workers to make new, different, interesting and novel stuff. We all gain.

Today we have all benefitted from medical advances that have reduced infant mortality and extended our life expectancy. While your teeth can be filled or extracted with the aid of anesthetic, a worker in the past was not so fortunate.

“Porn channel”? That’s your example of one of the benefits of modern times?

Both Mike Whitney and Michael Hudson on this site write informative essays dealing with the two economies in America today–the financial one and the productive one. You seem to be conflating the two. No one denies that Wall Street is peopled by a bunch of parasitic sociopaths whose criminal antics threaten the real economy–except them.

And another creepy Zionist on the US Supreme court. That makes it four.

All just a coincidence.

I don’t know why anybody should buy this claim. In the age of empires, Muslims certainly had a fairly good run and took credit for rolling up the Persian and Byzantine empires. The Mongols rolled up most of the Eastern Muslim lands – then kind of switched sides and went ‘Muzzie’ (at least a few of the Khanates). For much of this time, the Europeans were militarily inferior and too busy beating the crap out of each other – but that practice helped because…once the Europeans turned their franchise around (16th century for the Latins and 17th century for the East) – woah brother – they pretty much had everyone else on the run (including the various Muslim kingdoms) and brought them to heel within remarkably short order. Napolean decimated Ottoman garrisons – while outnumbered in the Levant and Egypt – again and again. I believe his only defeats came when former French officers were commanding on the Ottoman side or when the British lent support.

Though the British were not able to hold on to it for long, they hold the record for the most territory under their empire (“Rule, rule – Britannia!”) and if all the European empires are taken in under one flag as ‘Western Christendom’ (as people – not mentioning any names – like to lump in Sokoto, Demak, Ghaznavids, Almoravids. Mughals under ‘one Islamic flag’) – nothing comes close since the last 5 centuries. Here, this dynamic map is really well put together:

Sorry if I don’t jump at the bogeyman of rampant “Islamic Imperialism” which has been a sputtering mess or a bad joke for the last few centuries – what was the last successful battle against a European army – Gallipoli? And that was mostly engineered by a German general. Much of the recent Muslim military history has involved defensive battles just trying to keep things together.

Peace.

You are right that Israel isn’t the top issue for most American Jews and many of them are would agree that Israel is an immoral colonial state.

No you are projecting with that lefty/commie BS about immoral colonial states. But Israel is not on their minds very often. So if Obama whacks Israel around, disses Netanyahu, enables and pays billions to Iran to get all nuked up, its not on their radar.

If you don’t think that Islam is most barbaric, most successful and most enduring imperialism then you tell me what is. A fourteen century track record of imperialism, conquering-decimating-converting the Christian Middle East in the 7th century AD, forced religious conversions everywhere Islam conquered, mass killings in imperialistic wars for lebensraum beats all others. You can also add Islam’s treatment of dhimmi peoples.
Tell me what imperialism has been more successful than this.

Britain is a master at propaganda

While that is certainly true, the follwing will need some documentation.

…and the Belgian Congo atrocities were nothing but propaganda so the British could justify going in and taking over Congo itself.

Anyway, why did the Belgians decide to take it over and call it the Belgian Congo instead of the Brits?

On a side note regarding perfidious and treacherous Albion, I wonder how many know that the Brits ran horrible, terroristic concentration camps in Kenya up to and including the 1950s.

Here’s a good read:

https://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Reckoning-Untold-Story-Britains/dp/0805080015

There are free Jewish publications scattered all over my neighborhood I read them regularly. A continuing theme for decades is that Jees do best in splintered multi ethnic multi religious multi cultural societies. The Turkish empire is always held up as the ideal place for Jews to flourish. We all know that the Turkiah empire ruled hundreds of different nations and ethnic groups

Read The Forward, Los Angeles and your local Jewish Journal, the ADL &AJC publications. They constantly push for more diversity and more difference so the Jews can rule over squabbling goyim.

There are some strongly anti-Israel Jews: N Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, the Mondoweiss people, etc. Most don’t feel strongly about it or are somewhere between them and Adelson. I don’t think Obama has been any harder on Israel than other presidents, see Reagan pushing through the Saudi AWACS deal over Israeli objections.

So if Obama whacks Israel around, disses Netanyahu, enables and pays billions to Iran to get all nuked up, its not on their radar.

Are we suggesting that Iran steal the material and technology for their nukes instead?

Anyway, here are a few pertinent and gentle reminders about how the game’s been played. Rmember the NUMEC scandal?

“There is … evidence that some fissionable material available for Israel’s weapons development was illegally obtained from the United States about 1965,” Mr. Kissinger noted in his long memorandum.

“This is one program on which the Israelis have persistently deceived us,”
Mr. Kissinger said, “and may even have stolen from us.”

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4817

Rupert Murdoch, the FOX guy is clean as a whistle, right? We can trust him right?

It seems that Arnon Milchan is not only a big Hollywood producer but he also traded nuclear triggers with Israel and did a deal with Murdoch for $200 million.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/26/the-hollywood-big-shot-and-israels-nuclear-triggers/

Meanwhile…Some blame Muslims…

“The Israeli press is picking up Grant Smith’s revelation from FBI documents that Benjamin Netanyahu was part of an Israeli smuggling ring that spirited nuclear triggers out of the U.S. in the 80s and 90s.”

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nuclear-smuggling-from-u-s-big-story-in-israel.html

Tell me what imperialism has been more successful than this.

Depends on your metric of imperialism. I already told you mine, the Brits win, hands down – with the Mongols a close second.

A fourteen century track record of imperialism

Please, let’s get factual. Muslims were on the defensive for the past few centuries, so let’s give you about 12 centuries to make it accurate.

conquering-decimating-converting the Christian Middle East in the 7th century AD

Conquering and decimating is quite correct. The early Muslims had a way with the sword and the spear. They weren’t all that great with siege warfare, but why would they need to be when the enemy foolishly met them in pitched battles on the plains. Converting was of course supposed to be part of the whole endeavor, why do you think there were policies that encouraged conversion? But most of the Christians stayed firm on their faith until a critical juncture, they made a switch over to the Arabic language – this made a huge difference.
“The larger context was an increase of tension and isolation among Christian communities that, having adopted the Arabic language among themselves, and having come to realize that the rule of Islam was definitively there to stay, found their own numbers decreasing through peaceful conversion to Islam.” – Michael Bonner – Jihad in Islamic History

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8280.html

“Now the policy of the Abbasid caliphs to promote conversion to Islam through the promise of full participation in political and cultural life, coupled with the added incentive of relief from the jizyah, and religious and social restrictions, made it increasingly attractive for non-Muslims to abandon their ancestral religions.”
“Yet, although Arabic developed dramatically as a language of literature and commerce, it retained its character as a sacred language heavily laden with Quranic presuppositions and definitions.”
“The problem was thrown into relief when Christians tried to articulate ideas in terminology already dominated by Qur’anic images. For example, the notion of tawhid (monotheistic belief) had essentially been defined by the Qur’an to exclude multiplicity in God, as contrasted to shirk (associating others with God). This made it difficult for Christians to explain and defend the doctrine of the Trinity in Arabic as consistent with monotheism without being accused of polytheism, and consquently idolatry.” – Defending the “People of Truth” in the Early Islamic Period : The Christian Apologies of Abu Ra’itah

https://www.amazon.com/Defending-People-Truth-Islamic-Period/dp/9004148019

forced religious conversions everywhere Islam conquered

BS – cite your sources for this. Every single academic work I have ever come across acknowledges both that instances of forced conversion did happen (Jews under Almohads in Spain, Devshirme of Christian children by Ottomans, etc.) and that these were abnormal events.

You can also add Islam’s treatment of dhimmi peoples.

Which was fairly reasonable in certain instances and fairly brutal in others – depending on who was in charge and how rules were interpreted. Here is a pretty balanced account:
“This article will show that, for centuries, perhaps a millennium, during which Islam dominated the area, conflict between Jews, Christians and Muslims was the exception, not the norm…”
“Positions in government administration and the economy were open to dhimmis. In fact, from the Arab conquest to the beginning of the eighth century, the language of the administration remained Persian in Iraq and Greek in Egypt and Syria. Only dhimmis, especially Christians, had the linguistic and administrative skills to keep the government functioning…Although tolerated, protected, and many of them well-to-do, Christians and Jews were not without complaints under Islamic rule. They lived under certain legal and social disabilities. They were considered subjects, not citizens on an equal level with Muslims. Muslims were first class, dhimmis second.”
http://www.syriacstudies.com/2013/07/09/christians-and-jews-under-islam-najib-saliba-phd/ (Prof. Najib Saliba – Lebanese Orthodox Christian)

Just because you (or your mentor, Robert Spencer, a great boon to his Zionist masters [that help fund him]) only look at the worst instances of history to buttress your viewpoints doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

Peace.

I read Jewish publications all the time. The Jews just live China right now. They constantly extoll and praise everything Chinese. A bid deal is made of what Chibese and Jews have in common, hard work, entrepreneurs rather than workers, high value on education and strong family values. Intermarriage between Jewish men and Chinese women is highly regarded.
There were Persian Jewish traders in the Chinese pacific ports going back at least 2,500 years. That is proof that yes we Jews can go to China and prosper
About 125 years ago Jews began the big jump from Russia to S.Africa and America. By 1960 they were running both countries, that’s only about 80 years after arrival. They did the same thing in both countries, organized the blacks against the ruling Whites. Even Oppenheim now brags that “we were behind the ANC all the time”
All Americans know how the Jews led the blacks and other minorities and immigrants against the Whites.

But the Han have never submitted to rule by one of their minorities. So 50 to 100 years from now when the children of Jewish immigrants to China try to stir up some minority ethnic group against the Han I wonder how it will come out.

One thing I have noticed. Jews always do best in Christian countries due to the fact that Christians use the Old Testament and Christianity began as a Jewish heresy.

But China is not Christian and they are far more chauvinistic and racist than any ethnic group Jews have ever run into

Belgium took over the Congo and began extracting gold, ivory, rubber and other things. Congo is basically a treasure house of natural resources.

Belgium profited. Britian wanted in. Despite the efforts of the British to create an international army of moralistic do gooders to invade Cobgo, drive out the Belgians and give it to Britian to save the locals, Belgium managed to hold on to it.

The British picked on a Belgian colony because Belgium is a small country with a small army. Britian didn’t pick on any French colonies because France and the U.K. Are pretty evenly matched in terms of armies and population. Remember a big reason Britian fomented WW1 with Germany was because Germany was moving in on Africa and had established a colony just northwest of S Africa, Namambia???

And yes I do know that the British established concentration camps in Kenya during the 1950s. Did you know that the Mau mau kikuyu tribe spent the 1950s killing off the other tribes so the kikuyu would rule when the British left?

In 1947 Jewish American army pilots flew American army planes to Czechoslovakia then under soviet occupation and turned over all the latest American military radar equipment to the communist Czechoslovakian army.

The soviets reverse engineered the equipment. Patton had a few things to say about the Jewish American military men swarming all over Europe after the end of WW2

And they are all over the state department and the pentagon. Israeli nationals who are officers in the Israeli army have passed into the most secure areas of the Oentagon where they are free to pick up anything they want.

The number of dual citizenship Mexicans and Central Americans far outnumbers the US Jews who are also Israeli citizens.

Name the powerful Mexicans and Central Americans who control the Federal Reserve, the US defense apparatus, the US intelligence agencies, and who direct that the state of Mexico gets 38 billion tax dollars over the next 10 years. Also, name the number of dual Mexican citizens in the US Senate and the US House. I will wait.

Obama is the best friend Israel ever had, other than every other US president for the past 50 years. He has Bibi’s hand up his backside making his lips move when he talks.

Blacks rapping and murdering Jews!!

Where you learned that when in fact it’s Zionist Jews who are founding rapping and murdering Blacks….

On December 11, 2015, Daniel Holtzclaw, 29, ex-Oklahoma City police officer, was found guilty of rape, sexual battery and forcible oral sodomy. He was arrested last year and subsequently fired from the police force. Holtzclaw faced a total of 36 counts, of which a jury convicted him of 18.

How antisemitic, eh! Watch the sobbing filth in court (here) as the verdict was read aloud.

Holtzclaw’s all 13 victims were Black women ranging from 27 to 50 year of age.

https://rehmat1.com/2015/12/14/us-jew-cop-found-guilty-of-raping-13-black-women/

I love your mental gymnastics–I am not being facetious or sarcastic, I do enjoy it because it is entertaining. I can imagine (but if my memory doesn’t fail me–we already have been through this one) then, that Robert Reilly and Islamic scholars he worked with are also Robert Spencer’s stooges, if to follow your logic? I wonder if Abdurrahman Wahid was also;-) You seem to ignore a reality that Islam and Sharia are not compatible with Christendom on a fundamental level, period. Islam has nothing–zilch–to offer to civilization because it is a complete civilizational failure. Mind you, I am not talking about Eurowussies and American metrosexuals who lost their masculinity long ago and would do anything which can take them out of their pseudo-intellectual misery or would simply be coerced by Muslim mob since they are cowards and simply lack necessary skills. But this is not how it ends. I would suggest you study the dynamics of such events as in Kondopoga or Sagra, you may change your narrative after that. Islam is not welcome nor is it going to be “integrated” on its own terms. It may “win” by destroying (which is Islam’s MO) degenerate Western Europe but Eastern One and US are a bit different propositions.

Why, why, why?

Why so many questions in the form of straw men?

Here’s a question for you…

Why so much hatred for another Abrahamic religion, when the real problems emanate from the corrupt leadership in government and business as always and has little or nothing to do with religion or the lack thereof?

Here’s another…

Do you deny that there are Israelis and sympathizers who are calling the shots? Why? How long a list do you want?

I have chosen my sides and its neither jews or muslims, I fail to see how either benefit me.

Good grief.

You provided a bunch of info that I already knew, but none of it substantiates your claim that Leopold’s atrocities were a myth of Brit propaganda.

You do get an A+ for this part of your comment tho…

Remember a big reason Britian (sic) fomented WW1 with Germany was because Germany was moving in on Africa and had established a colony just northwest of S Africa, Namambia???

The Brits were also happy to foment discord between France and Germany over North Africa (specifically Morocco) as well.

Anyway, remember a big reason Britain fomented WW2 with Germany was because Germany was moving in on the Middle East including Palestine and Iran???

And they are all over the state department and the pentagon. Israeli nationals who are officers in the Israeli army have passed into the most secure areas of the Oentagon where they are free to pick up anything they want.

Have you read about the transfer of nuclear technology to Stalin and his goons during ww2? I have little doubt who facilitated that.

https://archive.org/details/FromMajorJordansDiaries-TheTruthAboutTheUsAndUssr

Also, this is probably what you’re referring to.

“My fellow escort and I chatted on the way back to our office about how the [Israeli] generals knew where they were going [in the Pentagon] and how [they] didn’t have to sign in. I felt a bit dirtied by the whole thing.”

-Col Karen Kwiatkowski

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/open-door-policy/

http://www.salon.com/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/

Alden when has Russia invaded any country since the USSR has dissolved ? So if u want to go and look at all the history. Italian fascist invaded africa . My point is related to post modern era period .PUNTO E BASTA

“Russia invaded east and south for a thousand years.. Russia went so Far East it now has a border with China..”

Could you name a state in Siberia that Russia has fought and subjugated? Have you heard about Poland’ wars against Russia before Russia became a state to beckon with? When the state of Estonia was formed?
The article is about modern world. Could you please name a single Russian invasion during the last 25 years? Come on… And what does make you believe that Russians and Jews have a lot in common? If that were so than the “Two Hundred Years Together” by Alexander Solzhenitsyn would not be sequestered by the US/UK publishers – all of them! Though it is true that Russians should have a deeper understanding of Israelis’ mentality than people of other nations, thanks to the Soviet experiment.

Moreover, Israel wants the dismemberment of Syria in order to grab the Golan Heights (see Yinon plan for Erez Israel), whereas RF wants to protect her southern borders from jihadis and thus prefers to have a stable and peaceful Syria. What is not clear about this state of affairs?

Whatever your tried to tell the readers, you came in support for the Kagans’ policies in Ukraine as well as in support of NATO’ direct encroachment on the Russian borders.
And how close is Ukraine to the US borders? Next door?

You would lose a debate with Robert Spencer. The Mongols were real super killers/warriors but they did not last fourteen centuries. They lasted what? Three centuries? I give them great credit for administering good spankings to Baghdad (sacked!) and various Muslim cities in Iraq/Syria.
The British Empire was fairly benign and lasted three centuries or so.

So top rank Imperialist force still goes to Islam, going strong ever since Muhammad was the first Jihadist, fourteen centuries ago. I like the wacky nuked up Iranians whose real goal is make Jihad on the Sunni Middle East to convert it into Shiite. We will see lots of bloodletting for sure in this wacked out Jihad effort. The early stages which we see fought in the ISIS wars against Assad and Assad regime vs the Muslim Brotherhood. Lots of bad blood there ever since old man Assad leveled Hama Syria 1982, killing 20,000 or so Muslim Brotherhood and their families

I see our Little Jew Clyde – the Zionist zombie – is typing his little fingers off today.

He has all the Big Jew hasbara talking points down pat. He learned them by the age of ten.

His parents and the Big Jew culture started terrorizing him at a young age – telling him that all the Gentiles hated him and wanted to kill him. This is traumatic to young minds. That is nothing less than child abuse. As a result, he is a Zionist zombie – with NO moral compunction, he will mindlessly lie and lie and lie for his tribe.

Zionism (a manifestation of Jew culture) is truly a cruel tribal ideology.

Who are these Israelis who are calling the shots?

You’re kidding, right? Or maybe this doesn’t meet your standards…

The Obama Administration sent Secretary of State John Kerry to Israel to insist on a cease fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responds not only with a no but with a “hell no” and Kerry backed down, but Bibi didn’t let it end there,telling Kerry and US Ambassador Daniel Shapiro “don’t ever second guess me again.”

http://www.unz.com/article/americans-should-be-ashamed/

Thanks for your opinion Clyde, compounding on your other opinions.

Why the hell would I debate with Robert Spencer – that dude is as dogmatic as I am about Islam – I’m just honest about my position. And I’m not paid by Zionist fund raisers – technically that shouldn’t count, but of course it does.

Peace.

Well, is that any different when it comes to Palestinian children who stab Israeli (citizens or occupiers, it has no relevance here) or at least try to?

Like a fine intellectual wrote, the youth is “planted, raised, pruned, cropped”.

Groups of humans that have had it harder than Western gentiles are still nearer to the original tribal condition.
Western gentiles are the laxer of all, a sign that they had it the less hard than all in the last centuries, probably.

Before you pedestal them, you may want to ask yourself what they were doing, wrangling against every other like street thugs since the mid-19th to the end of WWII, Germany hating the Brits and France, France hating the Brits and Germany, Spain hating France and Britain, Britain and France seeing Italy and Spain like their pet doormats.

You really need tell us Israel “won”, Giraldi?
When has it not won?
Israel and victory are synonyms.

All the world knows it, and how proud these winners of winners are.
(Maybe it helps “I am proud” is their most used clause, who knows.)

you all have got to admit how good the jews and aipac are at making our supposed elites into mere servants.

Russia has never invaded any country

I didn’t go on reading after that, and wondered how many would.

A few comments:

* It should be obvious that Israel views USA as a strategic foe, in the long run.

* sure, live like a king but in debt to house of R. Seem to recall the next episode in this king’s life is a fast moving blade and head in a basket. More seriously, wage slavery goes hand in hand with the current economic regime.

* Clyde: various commentators have answered you effectively. Regarding Islam and the prophet of Islam (SAWS), who was called the “unlettered prophet” and this has been taken to mean “illiterate” but it actually means The Prophet of the Unlettered Nations (in contrast to tribe of Jacob (AS) who got “lettered” — guided, as their semitic language makes clear) and that makes him (using Jewish terminology) The Goyim Prophet. You know, Jesus (AS) was very open about the fact that “I am only sent to the children of Israel”. “scraps from the table of the master” you have been getting, but unless you are capable of leaving everthing earthly possession (c.f. camel and needle) you will NOT enter into the Kingdom. So my advice to you is consider the fact that Muhammad (SAWS) said “I have been sent as a mercy” in context of your being outside the covenant that God made with Jacob (AS).

* Anti-semitism is strictly a Western phenomena that is fundamentally rooted in the bifurcated power structures of Occident. Levant’s kings never had any need for “King’s Jews” since their intellectuals were not locked behind monestary walls and deeply committed to the rival power structure of the Church of Rome. Every single pogrom of Jews happened at the hand of “Whites”. Remember Clyde: never forgive never forget is the motto of your Israeli “allies”.

Hey Smoothie,

You seem to ignore a reality that Islam and Sharia are not compatible with Christendom on a fundamental level, period.

You seem to ignore that I never made that claim in any of my replies to Clyde, stay on point, bro. You also seem to ignore that Christendom of a few centuries ago is also not compatible with Christendom of today on a fundamental level.

Robert Reilly and Islamic scholars he worked with are also Robert Spencer’s stooges

Never said that. Robert Reilly makes fundamental mistakes on Islam in every article of his that I’ve read (what Islamic scholars is he working with??!!). And yes, he is also a boon to Zionists, that shouldn’t technically count – but of course it does.

Here he is talking about the invention of the ‘Palestinians’:

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/why-invent-the-palestinians

Abdurrahman Wahid made critical assessments of fundamental, systemic problems in the Muslim world. That is quite welcome criticism. Even some well-known Salafi scholars, like Sh. Yusuf Qaradawi has done the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pk2-vr4sSw

It’s called “tough love” and “truth hurts”. My teachers are constantly reminding us to look inward and fixing ourselves. It’s the false prophet that tells you everything is fine and inflates your ego.

it is a complete civilizational failure

From a materialist standpoint, quite so. Since when did I ever make the claim that I posit materialist progress as the benchmark of civilization? That is your benchmark, not mine.
“By Allah, it is not poverty I fear for you, but rather I fear you will be given the wealth of the world just as it was given to those before you. You will compete for it just as they competed for it and it will destroy you just as it destroyed them.” – Reported in Bukhari

coerced by Muslim mob

I’ve called for Muslim mobs or ethnic Muslim criminal syndicates when exactly? I’m a Sufi, bro. Read through my posts – I state clearly as my teachers do; Muslims must obey the canon of the land and that it is their Islamic duty to do so. If they don’t like the rules here, they can leave – it’s that simple. If they want to act like a mob and threaten the well-being of other citizens, they should not be tolerated just as Muslims would not tolerate it in their lands. Kick them out – I’m not stopping you.

Islam is not welcome

Your opinion.

nor is it going to be “integrated” on its own terms.

Why should it? The Eastern Europeans (Hapsburgs) and Russians (after Ivan brought the Tatar Khanates under his dominion) already provided a reasonable model for integration under their terms. It is basically a reverse-dhimmi model where the Christians are the recognized alpha group. That worked for quite a long time for Russia. The Hapsburgs had elite Muslim Bosniak divisions in their army that served with distinction (they were allowed to wear fez’s baby!):

http://www.naval-military-press.com/emperor-s-bosniaks-the-bosnian-herzegovinian-troops-in-the-k.-u.-k.-army.html

Western Christendom never really got a good model off the ground because they reneged on the terms of the surrender of the Moors (to allow them to remain in a reverse-dhimmi contract) and booted them out.

http://voyager.dvc.edu/~mpowell/afam/surrendergranada.pdf

Eastern Europe and the US have bigger fish to fry and they aren’t Muslim fish. If you think a 3% Muslim population is something to worry about, then I am amused at your mental gymnastics to arrive at any confidence in your claim to civilization. Muslims are losing plenty of numbers to atheism and Western secularism, then again, they are gaining plenty of numbers with conversions. This is all in the open, nobody is forcing anyone to convert – people can read what your homeboy, Reilly, says about Islam and see if it appeals to them.

Peace.

I don’t think I ever read colonel Kiatkowski. There have been many exposes about the Israeli military roaming around the pentagon.

The Chinese are pragmatic realists, and as such are well aware of the history of the Jews, and how they latch onto productive societies and bleed them dry for the benefit of the tribe. Are you actually so naive that you believe that the Chinese, with a history longer than that of the Jews and a national population (discounting overseas Chinese) 100X greater than that of worldwide Jewry, a Chinese political modus operandi that is cautious, meticulous and ever-focused on benefitting the Han population, would ever open their arms and give Jews the opportunity to play their shell games, Ponzi schemes (international finance) and subjugation agendas on the Chinese? Have you wondered why the Chinese have kept their economy walled off from and strictly regulated against international currency conversion and investment? Have you considered why the Chinese are constructing a parallel financial system to the established international financial order, providing alternatives to the IMF and World Bank and current SWIFT system? AIIB, BRICS Bank, OBOR (One Belt One Road), CIPS (China International Payment System) = the end of Jewish controlled global banking leverage, end of effective sanctions on countries who refuse to toe America’s line, end of CURRENT GLOBAL ORDER!
AMEN!!!! Now put this on the stove and let it start to cook. Think of 30 years from now, when the Chinese economy is TWICE the size of that of the USA. Eventually, we will all be thanking the Chinese; they will be the ones to free us from this parasitic evil. The question then will be: how well will the Chinese treat us?

I give them great credit for administering good spankings to Baghdad (sacked!) and various Muslim cities in Iraq/Syria.

How did I miss that one – wow! I love the cognitive dissonance in all of this – the gentle Christian critic of the violent Islam – LOL! Never have I ever spoken gleefully or positively about any sack on any city! You can answer to all the thousands of Christian souls that were also raped, tortured, killed in those same ‘spankings’ when you see them when you are stood up for judgement.

Peace.

Colonel Kiatkowski is solid and on point.

Peace.

I would never read salon or American conservative

I’m a Sufi

Friendly advice, darvish: never make claims to being a Sufi.

Salaam

Are you actually so naive that you believe that the Chinese, with a history longer than that of the Jews and a national population (discounting overseas Chinese)

Hmm – what about Adelson and Winn in Macao – who are they paying off? Not a bad start- ha!

The Big Jews are masters at divide and conquer – and there is a lot of dividing to do in China.

These Zionists (a manifestation of Jew culture) are evil – they terrorize their own children by building up hate for the rest of humanity. They tell them that all Gentiles hate them and want to kill them – they make little zombies, who will back the Big Jews 100% for the rest of their lives.

New sell the Big Jews evil short – they know the dark side of life and how to play it – they revel in the taking.

Good one bro – I’m a Sufi, but a lousy one, eh??!! Istighfar time!

Thanks for the advice!

Wa salaam.

More Israelis live in the U.S. than in Israel. They control the MSM, Hollywood & the U.S. govt.
through dual-citizenship Jews who’d sell out the U.S. in a FLASH.

I’m sorry Assad’s AF shot down just 1 Israeli jet and drone. But Israel has $38 Billion in U.S. tax dollars over the next 10 years to buy more. Next time, perhaps Russian pilots will take out a few. .

Read my post. I did not write that it’s my opinion that the Jews would be able to colonize China as they did America and S Africa.

I simply reported that the Jewish publications I read seem to be encouraging Jews to infiltrate and take over China.

I doubt the Han will ever allow immigrant Jews to use the minorities to overthrow the Han.

But China allowed itself to be taken over by Russia directed communists and then allowed Mao to murder 100 million and destroy their economy.

So they are not invincible.

But once more, I simply reported what Jewish publications are writing.

I’m sure she is. But I learned all about Israeli military officers roaming the pentagon and taking what they wanted before colonel Kiawkotowski joined the military.

How did I miss that one – wow! I love the cognitive dissonance in all of this – the gentle Christian critic of the violent Islam – LOL! Never have I ever spoken gleefully or positively about any sack on any city!

What!!?? Are you some kind of silly sufi or peacenik Ahmadiyya Muslim? Did I miss something here?
Muhammad famously proclaimed that he had become victorious though terror. Through deploying terroristic tactics during his wars and battles. We see ISIS fighting wars exactly the same terroristic way today. Emulating their alleged Prophet in this way.
THUSLY……
I admire the Mongols for out terrorizing (in wars) the religious sect called Islam that sacked the Christian middle east of the 7th century. The Mongols were better terrorists than the Muslims. But alas, the Mongols dissipated after a few centuries and many went Muslim themselves as they dissolved into the greater Ummah and the alleged abode of peace Dar al Salam. What a pity, but once again showing the bizarre effectiveness of Islam down through the centuries.

Thank you. I will. MEMRI does good work in capturing Muslim intramural conversation and I have no doubt Jewish such conversation would be similarly instructive.

A Non-Jewish lady friend once dated a Jewish man and attended synagogue with him. The rabbi pointedly asked if everyone was family, or words to that effect, and, assuming only family was present, went on to discuss some matter that showed, shall we say, a somewhat “parochial” way thinking. I don’t remember the details, but the entre nous preface was crystal clear. Do Baptists talk like that in church?

A Swiss journalist got himself kidnapped by the Germans before WWII for publishing a too-accurate order of battle for the Wehrmacht. They demanded he reveal his agent network but he explained that he only combed the smallest of newspapers for items reporting, for example, that Cpl Schmidt was home for a week from the 423 Motorized Mess Kit Repair Regiment in Mülheim. He was released after protest by foreign journalists but rekidnapped during the war, which did not survive.

Anyway, an excellent point about open source intel. And whatever that shows, you don’t have to study the Pollard case or accounts of the sayonim to realize that there is a visible and a hidden side to the activities of some Jews.

I am mindful of the kindness and patriotism of Jews of my acquaintance (and much more) but there are others for whom the Zionist/dual loyalty tractor beam exerts a strong pull. I don’t see it discussed openly among Jews and strangely it seems to fall to non-Jews to try to outline the nature and extent of “the problem” – with attendant risk of being labeled you-know-what.

The outrageous attack on Diana West also has roots in this hidden side of secular, ultra-leftist Jews who did not like any discussion of the true extent of communist influence in the Roosevelt administration and afterwards. Since Jews played an enormous role in 1930s communism and afterwards it’s been extremely important to them to conceal the true story of American communism. (The case of David Horowitz is still an anomaly. His disdain for her makes no sense. He has a lot of integrity I think and think either tribal loyalty is stronger than I realize or his donor base got on his case, as with Gatestone.)

There are several facets to the thinking of some Jews. For the life of me I don’t understand why many (?) Jews seem to think that gentiles are perennially on the the point of organizing a pogrom and how could anyone even suggest that Jews could have attitudes and behaviors that would alienate nearby non-Jews. But they do and hence the Barbara Lerner Spectres of this world, I guess

It was more like Iran went to Germany for protection against Russia and the UK.

Russia and the U.K. Made an agreement to occupy big parts of Iran. Russia would and get Azberjian, 1/4 th of Iran in the north east. The U.K. Would get the southern oil patch on the Gulf.

That is why Iran went to Germany for protection in the late 1930s.

Art,

I’m well aware of the phsychological training that results in rampant anti-gentilism among Zionists; we shouldn’t limit it to Zionists, as even AZZ (Anti-Zionist Zionists) have been indoctrinated, causing them to try to manage the discourse on all matters of dual-loyalty or American Jewish power and influence in Washington while they simultaenously attack Israel, proving themselves as “good Jews”.

Regarding Sheldon Adelson and the Macau casino moguls, you should be aware of what the payoff was to the Chinese; it was not merely a matter of cash kickbacks into some corrupt local Communist Party official’s pocket. The Chinese, fully aware of the political pull that Sheldon Adelson has/had in the US, especially in the Republican Party, where the “Adelson Primary” to choose the Republican presidential candidate rivals that of any state primary, asked for lobbying help from Adelson on matters of priority to the Chinese. Let that sink in. The Chinese, a foreign government, threw Adelson some bones and let him make money from casinos in Macau for a while (when his influence wanes, they will kick him out) in return for proven lobbying power in the halls of power in the US Congress, the legislative body of their biggest competitor for future global power. I’d say the Communist Party sees that as a good investment; they get influence in US politics and Adelson makes a bit of money in Macau. This is mere greed on the part of Adelson and Winn; they have absolutely NO CHANCE of playing their divide and conquer games on the Chinese.

Man, homeboy (Robert Reilly) is knee-deep in Zionism:

“Robert R Reilly, a former director of the Voice of America, is senior fellow for strategic communication at the American Foreign Policy Council. He is on the Editorial Advisory Board of the Israel-America Renaissance Institute (I-ARI).”

http://www.think-israel.org/reilly.illusionsreislamism.html

“The central purpose of IARI is to revive our ‘ancient faith.’”

https://www.facebook.com/IsraelAmericaRenaissanceInstitute/about/?entry_point=page_nav_about_item&tab=page_info

That’s cryptic, I wonder what that means…
“Our program will reveal the convergence of Jewish ideas evident in the Bible and in both the American Declaration of Independence and the American Constitution.”

Oh I see – LOL!

The Iraq Debate: The War Was Just – by Robert R. Reilly

http://www.catholicity.com/commentary/rreilly/01868.html

Now all of his articles make sense – dude’s an unabashed Neocon – capital ‘N’ – baby! I just thought he was a pissed off Catholic or something with an axe to grind.

And I’m not paid by Zionist fund raisers – technically that shouldn’t count, but of course it does.

I am sure you could find anti-Israel leftist Jews who would pay you to debate Robert Spencer. Robert Spencer does not live an extravagant life so “The Zionists” you are yapping about must not pay very well. And he knows Muslim wackos could try and kill him at any time. How would you like to live like this? You are aware that Muslims have killed their critics in Europe. Again emulating Muhammad who proclaimed that he had become victorious through terror.
Remember when Sunni Muslims were bombing all those Shiite mosques and market places in Iraq from 2004-2008? They were murdering 30-100 Shiites at a time via bombings. Car bombs and suicide bombs. This anti-Shiite Jihad was also emulating Muhammad’s terrorist tactics that Muhammad bragged about, that had made him victorious.

“The Prophet Muhammad boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror”. [Bukhari: 4.52.220]

Some of the Mongols were friendly to Christians, hence the Prester John legend. They sacked Kiev and made some incursions into Poland and Hungary, but overall they (and later Timur) bought Europe valuable time.

Also Buddhists and Hindus: they’re offering better resistance to the Muslims than any Western country: who would’ve thought!

I know all about the huge medieval kingdom of Poland/ Lithuania, that Poland once ruled a big part of Ukraine and that its territory once stretched from the Black to the Baltic Sea.

So what’s your point? That Russia and Poland battled over Ukraine 800 years ago? That Ukraine belongs to Russia? Well doesn’t it? So what.
You seem to think Russia is an upright, moral wonderful nation that will never again invade any territory belonging to another nation. Maybe that is true, maybe it isn’t

But to say Russia never invaded any other nation, well…….

You remark is mostly accurate but Obama is our very own Third World president running an occupation government in Washingtoon DC. Don’t blame me if most Americans are oblivious to this.
His father was third worlder and did not even bother to illegally immigrate here. He dropped his bad seed here into a young, naive, 17 year old American woman named Ann Dunham and was then gonezo back to Kenya.
Now as a good loyal Third Worlder you think Obama likes Israel? Or is neutral on Israel? This is crazy. His prime act of sabotage and revenge again Israel was the big Iran deal. Helping/paying out billions to Iran to develop nuclear weapons over time. Any white European person who thinks Muslims + nukes is a good thing is clinically insane.
Muslims are in love with terrorism, always have been, and nukes are the ultimate terrorist weapon. They make your terrorist threats much more credible.

The Romans were complaining about the Jews long before Christianity. Just because monks maintained libraries and colleges does not mean there were no other intellectuals in Europe. Many students at the monastic colleges went back to civilian life and married after they completed their studies.

The industrial revolution had its roots in a thousand years of ordinary small business men, mechanics and tradesmen coming up with small improvements that led to modern machinery and inventions.

David Gelbaum alone gave $100 million – and $20 million annually thereafter – to the Sierra Club on condition that if the Club ever “came out anti-immigration” it would receive no more money from him.

Ostensibly it was based on his fond memories of his immigrant grandparents and his wanting to ensure that no one else should be denied the opportunity to emmigrate here, iirc, America to remain the sponge to the entire world to clean up every social and economic problem known to man. A dumping ground as it were.

Moreover, Gelbaum’s dear grandparents were illegals, iirc. They were refused entry in New York for health reasons and had to sneak in from Canada. This is the option Gelbaum wants to preserve, assuming I’ve provided an accurate account. Or even if not. Open borders is not about legal immigration. I can’t document that (illegal entry, health rejection) now but let’s leave it that Gelbaum simply doesn’t want to “dishonor the memory” of his grandparents. For that, whites should not object to 47 million immigrants.

I have been aware of Gelbaum and his bribing the Sierra Club for at least ten years. Before Gelbaum the Sierra Club was vocal about not crowding millions of third worlders into America thus trashing our ecology. The immigrant burden on Califonia’s water supply and eco-systems is very obvious these days.
Gelbaum’s wife is Mexican derived. He likes tending his vegetable garden with her.
For decades I have been against America being a dumping ground for the third world.

About Gelbaum’s grandparents sneaking in here via Canada…. I would appreciate if you can post anything more on this. Never heard this one before.

Well, is that any different when it comes to Palestinian children who stab Israeli (citizens or occupiers, it has no relevance here) or at least try to?

You disgrace humanity with your ugly comparison.

You say you are Sufi but my bet is you were not born Sufi. Sufi has a good peaceful reputation in the terminally naive West. But Sufis have made Jihad too and are the prime anti-Hindu fighters in Jammu-Kashmir.
But all in all Sufi have not made nearly as much Jihad wars as Sunnis have.

That is a false dichotomy. There is another option which is to side with the United States. The US doesn’t have to pick sides. We can follow our founding fathers advice and stay out of other people’s wars. Israel is talking to Russians about the fake peace process. Let it be Putin’s problem.

What can we do in Canada? All newspapers censure our posts on blogs. We have much more liberty here on American websites. In French Canada, people totally ignore what’s going on. The television and radio never said a single word, never showed a single picture, a single documentary on the millions of innocents who died during the last decades, in Lebanon, Libya, Syria, Palestine, and Africa. They carefully filter radio ”interventions” in order to manufacture public opinion and consent to have the okay for bombing and dividing Syria, exactly like they did for destroying Libya and killing thousands there by dropping 30 000 bombs on Libya. These ”medias” incessantly bash and demonize Syria, and Iran. Not a single word on the thousands dead due to the backing of rebels armed by the West.

Not a word on Canadian soldiers deployed in Poland, Ukraine, and now in Kurdistan, these soldiers WEAR THE KURDISH flag and they train Kurds in order to fight Isis armed by the West ie rebels trained and armed in NATO allie Turkey!!

The terrorism Iran is guilty of engaging in over the past 20 years, is furnishing effective weapons and training to Hezbollah Defense Forces in Lebanon, to prevent Israel from defeating and occupying the country. The same logic applies to Bashar Assad of Syria, or anyone else, who dares defend itself by fighting back.

My faith in Trump regarding Israel and foreign policy is not implicit given that his entourage his largely Jewish who I assume have some loyalty to Israel. So I think we’ll get America sort of first with Trump although if Izzy protests or if Ivanka whispers in daddy’s ear to be kinder to them we could be back to square one. If nothing else Israel has innumerable proxies in the U.S. Congress and in the media in case Trump strays too far off the reservation (i.e., has a foreign policy that is too fair, commonsensical and pro-American).

FOX News is almost an extension of the Likud party.

“Russia and Poland battled over Ukraine 800 years ago…”

This is not what we know from the history of these two states. Russian state had gained any significance in the 16th century and was invaded by Poland in the 17th.

“You seem to think Russia is an upright, moral wonderful nation that will never again invade any territory belonging to another nation…”

The article is about demonization of Russian Federation by the Empire of Federal Reserve; the encroachment of NATO to the RF borders, and the bloody wars of aggression/regime change in the Middle East and Ukraine, which have endangered Russian Federation. I care not about comparing certain personalities (though that could be instructive) but tremble for the fate of humanity if two nuclear powers go into conflict. Please take a notice the US’ intentions on provoking RF towards conventional wars in Eastern Europe (via NATO) and Middle East (via US/SA/Israel-sponsored “moderate” terrorists). The US are thousands miles aways from the military theater whereas RF has it at her doors. Again, what are the territories that RF invaded after the dissolution of the USSR? Why the US are so aggressively against the RF cooperation with Europe? What events have created ISIS? What is Yinon Plan?

tinamac,
Please name some of “other important topics” that should push any story about “evil Israel” from print.
I am personally outraged that America has allied itself with a racist, land-stealing monster of a country that has perverted our Congress, and lied America into wasting Trillion of dollars fighting its crappy little wars to demolish all of its neighbors. I think that the stink and perfidy of elected officials of this country aiding these racist monsters should be in 50 point headlines. But go ahead, give us some more of your hasbara garbage – I need to get my blood boiling first thing in the morning

Hey Marcus,

Indeed – and some of the Mongol leaders were Christian (and were accompanied by Armenian divisions and others), like the one who invaded the Levant. But you and I both know that their tactics remained mostly the same whether they were Christian or Muslim (like Tamerlane). So religion didn’t do much to dent their fury – at least initially.

Peace.

You also seem to ignore that Christendom of a few centuries ago is also not compatible with Christendom of today on a fundamental level.

It is a funny thing, since what combined West achieved in positive connotation today has the seeds and the root in precisely this “Christendom of a few centuries ago”.

Never said that. Robert Reilly makes fundamental mistakes on Islam in every article of his that I’ve read (what Islamic scholars is he working with??!!). And yes, he is also a boon to Zionists, that shouldn’t technically count – but of course it does.

And I, for some dumb reason, still think that overwhelming empirical evidence somehow should point out to mistakes in Islam. Robert Spences, btw, is a fervent Israeli-firster, yet–he will eat any Islamic “scholar” for lunch and will not even notice it. You see, this is the favorite shtick of (faux?)intellectual Muslims–to turn discussion into some recitation of problems with verbiage not substance but each time it is asked “show me the money” it all comes down to Israel. I am not pro-Israeli, in fact, I am sick and tired of this Jewish smugness but let’s not conflate problems with Palestine and Israel (or whatever the current narrative) with REAL problems with Islam. Israel-firsters’ utilizing REAL problems with Islam for their own sake does not cancel REAL problems with and within Islam. Again, an overwhelming empirical evidence exists on that issue. I underscore-overwhelming.

Your opinion.

No, it is not mine–it is based on a variety of open (and suppressed) polls and on what Huntington defined as sotto voce of people.

Why should it? The Eastern Europeans (Hapsburgs) and Russians (after Ivan brought the Tatar Khanates under his dominion) already provided a reasonable model for integration under their terms. It is basically a reverse-dhimmi model where the Christians are the recognized alpha group. That worked for quite a long time for Russia.

It was more complex than that and you forgot to mention 70 years of Communism/Socialism which sometimes brutally, sometimes softly secularized Russia’s organic Muslim population of Tatars and Bashkirs, among many. They went through the process unknown to the rest of Ummah, foundation of which was a massive and highly scientific (secular) education and industrialization. It is still highly relevant today. Ummah could only dream about the level of industrial, scientific, educational achievements of places such as Azerbaijan, Tatarstan or Bashkortostan had and still, largely, have. It was and is simply beyond the reach of most of Ummah even today.

people can read what your homeboy, Reilly, says about Islam and see if it appeals to them.

I am sure ISIS and Al Qaeda, among many, or Saudi Arabia’s “attractive” image provide all necessary appearances. I also think that French or Swedish cities becoming shitholes due to the cultural “enrichment” works well in support of your theories;-)

Iran doesn’t want or need nuclear weapons. Much safer for them to be under Russia’s umbrella. Much worse is the US ally Pakistan, an outright terror state, having both nuclear weapons and modern delivery systems. By the way, Pakistan names their missiles after Muslim invaders like Ghazni and Ghori, imagine Germany naming missiles after Goering or Himmler!

Iran doesn’t want or need nuclear weapons. Much safer for them to be under Russia’s umbrella

Russia and Iran are situational “allies”. For now it is a marriage of the convenience. Iran considers herself and, in fact, is a major regional player, which inevitably will also, after solving her regional tasks, will see no need for Russia, or may even see Russia as an obstacle.

Born Sufi??!! Born Sunni??!! What does that even mean?

The fact that you actually make a distinction between Sunni and Sufi shows me what a colossal waste of time this is. Years of daily readings of Spencer (I believe you said) and you are at this level…Wow!

Sufis have made jihad, quite impressively actually:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelkader_El_Djezairi – Christians in Iowa named a town after him (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elkader,_Iowa)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mukhtar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil

Don’t want to die at the rifle barrels of warrior saints – don’t land on their shores or enter their forests with young armed men.

Peace.

a life lesson: never depend on others if you can help it yourself.

this lesson works on everything, especially countries.

{Helping/paying out billions to Iran to develop nuclear weapons over time. }

US is not ‘paying out’ $ billions to Iran.
It was their $ billions that US illegally froze: in effect preventing Iran from using their own money to invest, earn interest, etc. Theft.
And even if US had not gone along, EU would lift the sanctions regardless, so it was a moot point. US saw the writing on the wall and went along, Obama or no Obama.

{Any white European person who thinks Muslims + nukes is a good thing is clinically insane.}

That train left the station a long time ago.
As others have pointed out, radical Islamistan Pakistan does have nukes and tested delivery systems: max range of their nuke missile is advertised as 1,700 miles.

And guess what: US helped Islamistan Pakistan develop nukes.

{In the late 80s, in the course of tracking down smugglers of WMD components, Barlow uncovered reams of material that related to Pakistan. It was known the Islamic Republic had been covertly striving to acquire nuclear weapons since India’s explosion of a device in 1974 and the prospect terrified the west – especially given the instability of a nation that had had three military coups in less than 30 years . Straddling deep ethnic, religious and political fault-lines, it was also a country regularly rocked by inter-communal violence. “Pakistan was the kind of place where technology could slip out of control,” Barlow says.

He soon discovered, however, that senior officials in government were taking quite the opposite view: they were breaking US and international non-proliferation protocols to shelter Pakistan’s ambitions and even sell it banned WMD technology. In the closing years of the cold war, Pakistan was considered to have great strategic importance. It provided Washington with a springboard into neighbouring Afghanistan – a route for passing US weapons and cash to the mujahideen, who were battling to oust the Soviet army that had invaded in 1979. Barlow says, “We had to buddy-up to regimes we didn’t see eye-to-eye with, but I could not believe we would actually give Pakistan the bomb.}

(TheGuardian 2007. [ The man who knew too much.
He was the CIA's expert on Pakistan's nuclear secrets, but Rich Barlow was thrown out and disgraced when he blew the whistle on a US cover-up. Now he's to have his day in court. Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark report])

Alas, too many comments here for Mr. Giraldi to read mine, I think.

A Comstock was a big man in the lead up to Prohibition. I forget the name F. Scott Fitzgerald used, I think the same, but the earlier Comstock was in the background of The Beautiful and Damned, at least.

Comstock is an unusual surname in English, so I estimate the probability of her not being a relative as approaching zero.

Disgusting how your politicians are bought by compulsory junkets to Israel, but seems to apply to all English-speaking countries, and many others in western Europe.

Hideous phenomenon.

True, but Timur and his successors did distinguish between Muslims and everyone else, though they were more often than not fighting other Muslims.

“Many of the Rajputs placed their wives and children in their houses and burned them, then they rushed to the battle and were killed. Other men of the garrison fought and were slain, and a great many were taken prisoners. Next day I gave orders that the Mussalman prisoners should be separated and saved, but that the infidels should all be despatched to hell with the proselytising sword. I also ordered that the houses of the sayids, shaiks, and learned Mussalmans should be preserved, but that all the other houses should plundered and the fort destroyed.”

Robert Spencer does not live an extravagant life so “The Zionists” you are yapping about must not pay very well.

Wait a minute, are you saying his paymasters aren’t generous with their sheckels – because (gasp!) they’re Jews??!! What are you – some kind of racist? LOL!

I don’t know man, $132K + $14K for blogging nonsense every year is not exactly ‘spartan’ living:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/robert-spencer-david-horowitz-cash-in-on-hate/

And he knows Muslim wackos could try and kill him at any time.

Yeah, like homeboy is ducking ‘laau akbaar’ drivebys every week or something.

Remember when Sunni Muslims were bombing all those Shiite mosques and market places in Iraq from 2004-2008?

Yeah – I do – remind me of all the names of qualified Sunni muftis urging them on. Oh wait, they were getting slaughtered by the same extremists for speaking against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5tIoQwSQNY

“The Prophet Muhammad boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror”. [Bukhari: 4.52.220]

Ah yes – this one – LOL! Of course this is actually correct, but not in the way you intend. The word in Arabic here is (رعب) which can encompass; panic, awe, terror – which is what God cast into the hearts of his enemies in order for them to give up without a fight. Same word used in this verse:
“…and He cast terror into their hearts…” 59:2

http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.220.html

And it continued after him, a Byzantine priest is reported to have advised the military leaders (talking about Khalid bin Walid [ra]):
“Is the standard of this army a black one? Is the commander of this army a tall, powerfully built, broad shouldered man with a large beard and a few pock marks on his face? Then beware of fighting this army. ”

If he meant what you intend, he would have used a perfectly clear word like ‘Hiraaba’ to connote terrorism.

Peace.

Hey Avery,

That train left the station a long time ago.

Quite so – there is not a weapon system in the world that will not eventually be aped by someone other than its founders. Best thing for everyone of us to support is a complete nuclear disarmament and a permanent neutral inspections protocol for any nation above a certain industrial standard.

Peace.

I don’t think Iran can ever rise much further than that being non-Arab and Shia. So they’ll need Russian protection for the foreseeable future

Hey Smoothie,

Spencer’s a joke – his interpretation of Islam is Daesh’s interpretation of Islam – not impressed. I point out his angle to let everyone know the man is no objective academic.

I underscore-overwhelming.

Sure you do – that’s why you are not Muslim and I am. That’s pretty obvious. I can see you are itching for a theological debate or something. No thanks, I’ve made it clear that I don’t debate theology – way too subjective; you and I don’t even agree on a baseline definition for ‘civilization’. I’ve being putting Clyde’s feet to the fire over historical record and fact – not theology.

It was more complex than that and you forgot to mention 70 years of Communism/Socialism

Course it was – but Ivan, Catherine (http://www.indiana.edu/~cahist/Readings/2010Fall/Islam_and_Modernity/Fisher_Enlightened_Despotism.pdf) and the Hapsburgs predated Communism. They had a more stable institution of coexistence (once the Russians eased back on the forced baptisms under Catherine). What communism has done has unfortunately cut off a large number of the population from their historical Sunni Orthodox roots and thus made many susceptible to extremist Wahhabi/Salafi interpretations. One of my spiritual teachers made an extensive travel of the former Soviet Central Asian states and mentioned the damage that communism did to the tradition. It’ll take more time to get back on track – the people of that area have been a reservoir of the foundational knowledge (religious and secular) of the Muslims.

Ummah could only dream about the level of industrial, scientific, educational achievements of places such as Azerbaijan, Tatarstan or Bashkortostan had and still, largely, have.

Sure…you keep tooting the materialist horn – I already know that is your benchmark of civilization.

http://www.storyit.com/Classics/Stories/tortoisehare.htm

I love it! Stick to talking about Daesh, al-Queda and Saudi – as if they are the only Muslims in existence – I mean Spencer does. Now who’s deflecting? Do all you can to make sure someone doesn’t look up something like ‘Selangor skyline’ – LOL!

You are quite right about the tragedy unfolding in France and Sweden – the Muslims have not been good guests on the whole and I believe it is only a matter of time before things come to a head where the host population loses its patience. I pray for a peaceful resolution, but I have also read enough history.

Peace.

Well, does MAD’s deterrent effect on conventional wars outweigh the potential of nuclear exchange? Proliferation to countries like Pakistan and North Korea certainly complicates things, but even they have mostly limited their antics to provocations (Pakistani army recently crossed the ceasefire line).

I can see you are itching for a theological debate or something.

God forbids. Quite opposite. I am not interested in discussing medieval delirium. You yourself answered the question for me.

Sure…you keep tooting the materialist horn – I already know that is your benchmark of civilization.

No, it is not my benchmark–it is a universal benchmark. And if for a cultural dimension of it–Islam doesn’t even touch the feet of European culture in music, literature, visuals and ideas. All non-materialist manifestations of civilization. After all, Islam doesn’t have Hellenic and Roman root, New Testament Christianity does. Anything in the human history was, is and will continue to be judged by the achievements: material, cultural and spiritual. It is just the way it is. Huntington, for all his mistakes, ended making a correct conclusion, which reduces to: is it possible to modernize without westernizing oneself. In Islam it is not possible in the absolute degree, elsewhere–it is the matter of proportions.

Depends…

First off, I’m not convinced that we won’t accidentally trigger the apocalypse. I know there are certain fail-safes in place, but I have also read and watched videos on how close we came to nuclear exchange before. But beyond all of that, I cannot justify (morally) the use of a weapon – the precise intent of which is to completely obliterate all life (regardless of age, innocence or guilt) within a large radius. I can perhaps see its military use, in say a strike on a large mass of tanks crossing a desert or an aircraft carrier group in the middle of an ocean, but let’s not fool ourselves that this is the intention behind these weapons. Call me naive, but that’s the only stand I’m willing to take on the Day of Judgement.

Peace.

I’m sorry. I tried to find the source of this idea in my head before I posted but couldn’t find it. I’m reasonably sure my memory is accurate about what I read but darned if I can prove it. If I do better with my desktop or notes at home I’ll let you know.

We have embraced full-frontal schizophrenia. Foreign policy a la the three Stooges. I miss them. They were totally honest.

Ah yes – this one – LOL! Of course this is actually correct, but not in the way you intend. The word in Arabic here is (رعب) which can encompass; panic, awe, terror – which is what God cast into the hearts of his enemies in order for them to give up without a fight. Same word used in this verse:
“…and He cast terror into their hearts…” 59:2
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.220.html

That’s just your Ahmadiyya/Sufi interpretation. That is a Muslim peacenik’s interpretation. What happened in the real world is that Muhammad and his four Caliph successors reveled in deploying terrorism and tortures as a prime instrument of war. This is how they got their rocks off. Whether Allah exists or not, this alleged Allah had nothing to do with cities and peoples surrendering to Muhammad’s terrorist armies of Jihad.

it is a universal benchmark

So you opine…

Islam doesn’t have Hellenic and Roman root

No it doesn’t, but it has a very legitimate claim to preserving the Hellenistic legacy on its own terms. It is irrelevant to us if some anonymous person on the internet refuses to recognize that.

Islam doesn’t even touch the feet of European culture in music, literature, visuals and ideas.

First off, Islam is a religion – it is shared by a multitude of people; some of whom live in mud huts to this day and some of whom were building towers while a good portion of Europe was in mud huts. If you can’t appreciate the poetry of Jaami, Saadi, Rumi, Attar (ra) or the aphorisms of Ibn Ata-illah (ra) or Imam Haddad (ra) that’s your loss. Likewise if you can’t appreciate the architecture of any of the grand mosques of the Muslim world – I can easily appreciate the marvelous Gothic cathedrals. Sorry, not looking to be vindicated by you or Huntington.

is it possible to modernize without westernizing oneself

Wrong question…define modernize and westernize first, then we can speak intelligently. But if one takes it on face value; “is it worth modernizing if it requires westernizing”? In the absolute degree of course…

Peace.

Robert Spencer deserves good compensation for exposing Jihadist Islam. As of 2014 he was being paid even more at 178 + 22 thousands. He is a very busy man who travels quite a bit as part of his job. His two latest books are:
The Complete Infidels’ Guide to Iran. Regnery Press. July 11, 2016. p. 256. ISBN 978-1621575160.
The Complete Infidel’s Guide to ISIS, Regnery Publ., Aug. 2015, ISBN 978-1-62157-453-8.

Russia and Iran are situational “allies”. For now it is a marriage of the convenience. Iran considers herself and, in fact, is a major regional player, which inevitably will also, after solving her regional tasks, will see no need for Russia, or may even see Russia as an obstacle.

Selling weaponry, antiaircraft missile systems, nuclear reactors and other military items. Putin’s Russia and Putin’s cronies make billions from commerce with Iran. Iran sells Russia pistachios and this must be about it. This is why Russia is an Iranian friend and ally. Plus they have the same objectives for Syria and Assad.

That’s just your Ahmadiyya/Sufi interpretation.

No, your opinion coincides with Spencer and Daesh. Bring me a legitimate scholar (Bayhaqi, Daraqutni, Ibn Hajar [ra]) that claims your interpretation and I’ll take you seriously. Secondly, I’m quite a Sunni – Ahmadiyya aren’t Muslim.

Muhammad and his four Caliph successors reveled in deploying terrorism

Really??? You are full of opinions. The first Muslims captured a multitude of massive ancient capitals: Ctesiphon, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Damascus, etc. All captured through terms of surrender (there was no rape and pillage) – again, they foolishly met the Muslims out in pitched battle and thus left their towns without a legitimate garrison. The later Muslims, especially the Turkic ones did revel in plunder, unfortunately, but the good thing is they don’t set the standards for us from a juristic perspective anymore than Ivan the Terrible or the Spanish Inquisition does for Christians.

This is how they got their rocks off.

How can anybody doubt your objectivity in these matters??? Heavens to mergatroid!

And of course the Prophet (pbuh) set the best example in the conquest of Makkah – captured in surprise, without a fight and general population granted amnesty. The horror…the horror…

You are like a broken record at this point – cite your sources – other than Darth Spencer.

Peace.

“Muslims are in love with terrorism…”

The ongoing wars in the Middle East represent massive terrorist actions waged by the US/Israel/EU against muslims and christians living in the Middle East.

It was Irgun (Odessa) gang that introduced terrorism to Palestine. And look at the pleasures of Purim – a celebration of a cleverly-designed act of terrorism against native population of Persia by the ungrateful Jewish guests. Persia (Iran) was already a great civilization when the wondering semiliterate Jews invaded Canaan and exterminated its inhabitants. Is not that glorious…

Have you heard about any powerful Iranian making announcements that are similar in spirit to Samson Option? – No? – Then perhaps you need to look for terrorists among your folks. By developing the zionist project in the Middle East, the ziocons have inflicted a tremendous harm on European population (see desperate refugees and intellectually-inadequate sub-Saharan migrants storming fortress Europe, while at the same time endangering the well-being of Jewish population in EU and beyond.

Also, it seems that the recent US’ pledge to give Israel another $38 billion is nothing for Israelis like you.

It wasn’t a ‘laau akbaar’ driveby that almost got Lars Hedegaard.

Maybe you missed that one.

Then there was the al-Hebdo action. Also up close and personal. Ixnay on the use of internal combustion engine.

Then there was the attack on Naguib Mahfouz outside his home. A knife inserted in the blasphemer’s neck by an informal scholar of and expert on blasphemy. See how you like that, mothertrucker!

Given the scorecard on Muslim murder, mayhem, and rapine at ReligionofPeace.com – and the fact that every 7-11 clerk can issue a DIY fatwa if the fancy strikes him – a healthy concern for one’s continued existence is hardly unwarranted.

As of 2014 he was being paid even more at 178 + 22 thousands.

So why are you talking as if homie is living in the ghetto, ducking ‘laaau akbaar’ drive byes? He’s obviously got some good compensation in this world for his – ahem – work. Zionist paymasters bring the bling!

Peace.

So you opine…

Well, there are numerous universally accepted metrics, including from UN, which do measure the degree of achievements. It is not my personal opinion, in the end, feel free to visit even CIA’s World Factbook and see for yourself what factors are taken in consideration by this and very many other intelligence and analytical organizations. This is just one of many examples. Obviously, such POS index as HDI (Human Development Index) is also a metric, however lousy, and does exist. But in the end, the fact that Islamic World translates in 10 years fewer books than Spain does in 1 is also a metric.

No it doesn’t, but it has a very legitimate claim to preserving the Hellenistic legacy on its own terms.

Ahem, this is really funny statement. On what terms? Al Mamun tried it, using it, didn’t work out in the end. What can possibly be common between Al Ghazali and Plato, I have no idea.

First off, Islam is a religion – it is shared by a multitude of people; some of whom live in mud huts to this day and some of whom were building towers while a good portion of Europe was in mud huts

Islam is Ummah and it is a civilization. Obviously it is not a monolith but civilization “is a culture writ large” (Roger Scruton) and a culture is a commonality of the behavioral matrix. In Islam this matrix is formed by Islam’s teachings, in Christianity–it is Christian tradition and so on.

If you can’t appreciate the poetry of Jaami, Saadi, Rumi, Attar (ra) or the aphorisms of Ibn Ata-illah (ra) or Imam Haddad (ra) that’s your loss

I’ll give you that, this could be the case. Yet, Omar Khayyam speaks to people globally, but he he could hardly be called a good Muslim.

Wrong question…define modernize and westernize first, then we can speak intelligently.

I”ll answer with the quote from some backwater non-writer and non-philosopher known as Leo Tolstoy. “A betterment of human condition”–that is the definition and I will abstain here from metaphysical. Factoring out the issue of war which IS a part of human nature (it is just that West due to its advancement made the war an industrial affair literally and in scale), one can not ignore the sum of all things that if not for the West we wouldn’t have today antibiotics, TV, radio, MRI machines, air travel, satellites, internet, increasing life expectancy and on, and on, and on–all what can only be defined as “Betterment of human condition”. West has a lot to atone for but it is this northern civilization where these very Islamic people who, for some reason, penetrate the borders of this Christendom, from Russia’s underbelly (Russia is no.2 global destination for immigration after US) to Germany and Sweden, and have no regard for their “wonderful” Islamic culture. Somehow they define their interests in purely materialistic way. They are attracted to those places where this “betterment” is born. Hm, I wonder why? They want Sharia but only when it is financed by the welfare departments. Well, that is a separate issue and I do not argue, in fact, state that West Europe is mentally ill and I am not sure will have enough time to recover. But that is an afterthought.

Hey Ace,

Acknowledged – the crisis of authority is a very serious and legitimate criticism of the Muslim world right now and one that we need to take full responsibility for. Way too much sanguinary mood in too much of the people – and, of course, Muslims themselves are paying the price disproportionately.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/09/us/isis-threatens-muslim-preachers-who-are-waging-theological-battle-online.html?_r=0

the fact that every 7-11 clerk can issue a DIY fatwa if the fancy strikes him

Bingo – you hit the nail on the head there – this is our ‘Reformation’ and it’s going about as smooth as the European one.

a healthy concern for one’s continued existence is hardly unwarranted

Have to admit, this is true…sad, but true.

Peace.

You might be interested to know that Omar Khayyam was quite popular in the English-speaking world after Edward FitzGerald’s translation was published in the late 19th century, Rumi became widely known here around the 1920s and 30s. It’s sad that modern academics decry “Orientalism,” when the Orientalists are most responsible for bringing the region’s heritage to the attention of its own people, not just Westerners; this is especially true in regards to the pre-Mohammedan past, which is regarded as an era of blackness jahiliyya by most orthodox Muslims. Regarding culture in Muslim history, I think this is a good summation

Here too, we should distinguish between what Islam enjoins and what people who happen to be Muslims do. Thus, he says that Muslims contributed to Indian music. I am quite illiterate on art history, but I’ll take his word for it. However, if they did, they did it is spite of Islam, and not because of it. Mohammed closed his ears not to hear the music, and orthodox rulers like Aurangzeb and Ayatollah Khomeini issued measures against it. Likewise, the Moghul school of painting shows that human beings are inexorably fond of visual art, but does not disprove that Islam frowns on it.

Ahmadiyya aren’t Muslim

Hey Talha,
Sorry to push in here bro. Is it true that Ahmadiyya’s are not considered muslim?

Clyde,
I cannot stress emphatically enough how insidious Spencer’s views are. His brand of Christian supremacy and philo-semitism are the last things this country, and more narrowly, Jews, need; being entirely based on vilifying Islam. He is a purveyor of negatives; and that’s a game easily played on every religion.

It’s been shown that Jews still fear White Christians more than Muslims, and this is a very visceral fear, so he’s going to have a hard time persuading Jews.

On what terms?

On terms with divine revelation:
“Much of the classical Greek tradition that persisted was unaccpetable to Islam: the Greek language, humanistic values, and religion were all rejected. Even hellenic rarionalism was a significant influence on the thought of only a ‘small and isolated band’ of Islamic scholars. Yet, Professor Peters concludes, “the hllenic rsidue in medieval Islamic society remains considerable and impressive.” It was essentially in the fields of technical and scientific learning that Islam accepted the legacy of hellenism: medicine, mathematics and astronomy showed the greatest influence…What is more, the part of the classical tradition that was accepted played a configurative role within Islam. Not merely decorative or legitimizing, it resulted in new productts when combined with the intellectual currents of Islam itself.”
PAths from Ancient Greece

He forgot physics and logic (logic [rooted in Hellenic Greek works] is absolutely essential for any Muslim scholar in training).

What can possibly be common between Al Ghazali and Plato, I have no idea.

We’re talking Aristotle and Plato…
“Al-Ghazâlî understood the importance of falsafa and developed a complex response that rejected and condemned some of its teachings, while it also allowed him to accept and apply others. Al-Ghazâlî’s critique of twenty positions of falsafa in his Incoherence of the Philosophers (Tahâfut al-falâsifa) is a significant landmark in the history of philosophy as it advances the nominalist critique of Aristotelian science developed later in 14th century Europe. On the Arabic and Muslim side al-Ghazâlî’s acceptance of demonstration (apodeixis) led to a much more refined and precise discourse on epistemology and a flowering of Aristotelian logics and metaphysics. With al-Ghazâlî begins the successful introduction of Aristotelianism or rather Avicennism into Muslim theology.”

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/al-ghazali/

Omar Khayyam speaks to people globally, but he he could hardly be called a good Muslim

The jury is out on Omar Khayyam, much of what is attributed to him may not be true and many opinions on him also assume a literal interpretation of his words – which is a really, really stupid approach to Sufi poetry:
The Wine of Wisdom: The Life, Poetry and Philosophy of Omar Khayyam

“A betterment of human condition”

No doubt that the West has helped achieve this – is anyone even arguing this issue? Muslims go to Hajj on planes invented by (and mostly built by) Europeans – is that even a question? Hats off to them for their amazing achievements in sciences and technology. But that is not their problem right now…as you stated – “I do not argue, in fact, state that West Europe is mentally ill and I am not sure will have enough time to recover”.

The Muslims who do define their interests and achievements in a purely materialist way are bound to act in a predictably materially-focused way. So yeah, welfare, crime, etc. This is a very legitimate criticism of many Muslims. Of course, it would help if the Western countries didn’t go out of their way to destabilize countries already on the edge.

Peace.

Why are you complaining about Robert Spencer’s compensation? What the hell do you care? Like I said, Spencer does a great job exposing Islam and Islamic Jihad, so more power to him. I could care less if Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus are paying him via their donations to the David Horowitz Freedom Foundation.

Hey Talha,
Sorry to push in here bro. Is it true that Ahmadiyya’s are not considered muslim?

They are Muslim but fundamentalist Muslim loonies are always gunning for them and will kill them given the opportunity.
Robert Spencer is a great man who stands against Jihadist Islam. You don’t know what the f you are talking about. You are just spinning words.

Forgot to add: Spencer’s liason with that revolting termagant Pamela Gellar further elevate both in the rogues gallery of religious opportunists.

Of course, it would help if the Western countries didn’t go out of their way to destabilize countries already on the edge.

Here, I agree with you completely. But that is as far as our agreement goes. Islam and Jihad has a very long and “fruitful” history, which lasts to this day and if, for example, Russian cosmism of Fyodorov ( which is falsafa) ended with launching a human into space, for some reason, most of those “spiritual” struggles of Muslims end up with violence, rape and further mutations of Islam which each time are presented as non-representative of it, while in reality Islam sanctions it, in fact, very often mandates.

I agree that when it comes to Trump’s true feelings or intentions toward Israel, he represents a pig in a poke. Up to now, about the only thing anyone could deduce from the situation is that Israel has apparently not been successful in coming with anything with which to blackmail him into total submission.

Hey Sam,

Yeah – that’s not a fringe (or extreme) position actually. It’s pretty much down the line – even through al-Azhar, which is very careful about this. There are limits to heterodoxy – claiming a messenger came after the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) disqualifies anyone with that belief (or stating something like Moses [pbuh] was not a prophet, etc.). Funny thing is, in praxis they are straight-up Hanafi school – weird…

Note, they are not considered apostates though, maybe the first generation was, but their children are simply born into a religion that is not Islam.

Now that is all with the understanding of the popular original belief of the Ahmadiyyah that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a new messenger or prophet. I am sure many of those that are called Ahmadiyyah do not believe that specific point or even know about that belief in which case they are likely normal Muslims. Belief is an individual state and cannot be determined on a group level.

Here is a good read on the matter…

https://sandala.org/sticks-and-drones-may-break-our-bones-but-fitna-really-hurts-us/

Peace.

Spencer and Geller ARE Israel’s shills, there is no doubt about it and as such their approach must be questioned. But Robert, to his credit, if my memory doesn’t fail me, was openly opposed to the invasion of Iraq. But here is another facet of this whole problem with Islam: none other than Irina Yarovaya, the chair of State Duma’s Security and Anti-Corruption Committee, who always extolled Islam’s contribution to Russian culture (in reality contribution was not by Islam but by thoroughly Russified Muslims) was publicly, last year, on Russia’s most popular talk show–The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov–in a front of tens of millions of viewers, forced to squeeze out of herself that, and I quote: “Yes, we do have problems not just with terrorism but with Islam”. Believe me, this coming from, however politically prosti …ahem opportunistic, former uber-liberal from Yabloko Party is worth several Robert Spencer’s books. Muslims do a helluva job themselves to demonstrate a real Islam’s face and with 80+ % of them thinking that Sharia must be enforced and with other (from the top of my head) 30 to 40% thinking that it is OK to murder for apostasy and “offending” Quran and prophet. Oh boy, we are talking about hundreds of millions of people who would find it totally OK to rape German or Swedish women, especially if their euro-men are sexually confused.

further mutations of Islam which each time are presented as non-representative of it

Ahem – a Christian is telling us about religious splintering. LOL!

Bro, a Muslim holds the keys to the holiest of Christian churches because Christian monks get into fist fights:

http://www.ibtimes.com/who-guards-most-sacred-site-christendom-two-muslims-1161517

We’ll get through this inshaAllah – this is nothing compared to what happened in the Thirty Years War.

while in reality Islam sanctions it, in fact, very often mandates

Sure, according to you, Clyde and Spencer and – wait for it – Daesh!! Who to believe? You guys or the scholars having studied this for the entire lives and paying the price at the hands of extremists for denouncing them? Hmmmm…

http://www.voanews.com/a/anti-extremist-scholar-escapes-deadly-attack-in-bangladesh/3408946.html

Basically your entire argument boils down to; Islam is really bad, because look at Daesh and man – they are the true followers of Islam…it’s a familiar – if old – tune…keep singing it.

Peace.

You may be right. However, I’d base it on the fact that Jews are overwhelmingly liberal, and for whatever reasons of history, and an argumentation based culture, understand the dangers posed by people like Spencer and Pamela Gellar.

Anders Brevik, the Oslo mass murderer, in his manifesto https://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/07/24/National-Politics/Graphics/2083+-+A+European+Declaration+of+Independence.pdf

quoted extensively from the writings of European and American bloggers — including Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller — who promote a conspiratorial anti-Muslim agenda under the pretext of fighting radical Islam. Because of the reach of the Internet, these ideas float freely across borders and are reinforced by like-minded bigots.