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There is a question that increasingly arises, uncomfortably, in our conversations…from brief exchanges at work at the water cooler, at home with family, after church on Sunday, with our email messages to friends and associates. To watch any amount of television news these days, to switch back and forth between, say, CNN and Fox, and to listen to their interpretations of any event or issue, no matter what, that same question clambers in the background like an unchained wild beast:

What has happened—what is happening—to the geographical entity we call the United States, to its people, to its culture? Does it not seem like the country is coming apart at the seams, in just about everything, from its once-established moral base in a more or less historic Christian framework to its very vision of reality, of what is real and what is not?

Millions of “woke” social justice progressives now control the Democratic Party and most of our media; they dominate our entertainment and sports industries; they push for open borders and what amounts to “population replacement” of natives by illegal aliens; and they have a stranglehold on the near entirety of our educational system, from the primary grades to our colleges.

Each year those institutions turn out millions of freshly-minted automatons—intellectual zombies—who think like their unhinged teachers and professors have trained them, and who then take up responsible positions in our society and increasingly support and vote for a type of veritable madness which, like an unstoppable centrifugal force, is tearing this country apart, creating unbridgeable divisions that no amount of misdirected pleading or faux-compromise can repair.

The progressives loudly tout their support for “equality” and what they term “liberation from arbitrary restraints.” They tell us that they are working against historic “racism and sexism.” But, in actuality, their program turns real liberty on its head, inverts rationality, and enslaves millions in unrequited passions and desires, unbound and unreasoned, cocooned in a pseudo-reality. It is, to paraphrase the great English essayist and poet G. K. Chesterton, the definition of actual lunacy.

In his volume, The Poet and the Lunatics (1929), Chesterton’s character Gale asks the question: “What exactly is liberty?’’ He responds, in part:

“First and foremost, surely, it is the power of a thing to be itself. In some ways the yellow bird was free in the cage…We are limited by our brains and bodies; and if we break out, we cease to be ourselves, and, perhaps, to be anything.

The lunatic is he who loses his way and cannot return…. The man who opened the bird-cage loved freedom; possibly too much… But the man who broke the bowl merely because he thought it a prison for the fish, when it was their only possible house of life—that man was already outside the world of reason, raging with a desire to be outside of everything.” [bolding added]

The social justice fanatics who demonstrate in the streets, who appear nightly on our news channels broadcasting the ideological virus they call news, who parade before a House or Senate committee (or serve on that committee!), and who indoctrinate gullible and intellectually-abused students in supposed centers of higher education, are, to use Chesterton’s parable, lunatics. They are “already outside the world of reason,” and their unrestrained rage to destroy is only matched by their profound inability to create anything of real and lasting value.

They partake of a virulent cultural post-Marxism that, despite slogans of “defeating racism, sexism, homophobia, and white supremacy,’’ and establishing equality, is ultimately unachievable. Its advocates are, measured by the historical reality of two millennia of Christian civilization and by the laws of nature, insane.

They sloganize about “the fruits of democracy” and “equal rights,” where in some future utopia “racism” and “sexism’’ will finally be banished….but where, in fact, the very contrary will exist, where democracy will have become a totalitarian dystopia a thousand times worse and more oppressive than anything George Orwell envisioned in his phantasmagoric novel Nineteen Eighty Four.

This element, this force in our country, which now numbers many millions of votaries, works feverishly and tirelessly to achieve its objectives. And, as we have seen, especially since the presidential election of 2016, it will do anything, use any tactic, including defamation, lawsuits, censorship, even violence to achieve its ends, to turn back what it perceives even in the slightest to be “counter-revolutionary.”

The question comes down to this: Is the fragile American experiment in republicanism begun in Philadelphia in 1787, which required a commonly-shared understanding of basic principles, now over, or at the very least is it entering its agonizing death throes?

One can certainly trace a progressively destructive trajectory in American history since the overthrow of the American constitutional system in 1865. And the results of that history are now reaching almost an unimaginable breaking point.

Increasingly, we live in a country that has become de facto little more than a mere geographical entity. True, it is still formally a nation, but a nation where there are in fact at least two very distinct Americas, with radically differing visions of what is real and what is not real, radically differing conceptions of what is moral and what is not, radically differing views about truth and error, and radically differing ideas about using whatever means are available to reach a desired and posited end. For all the talk of equality and racism, the revolutionary side in actuality seeks to replace one oligarchy—which it calls “white supremacist”—with another oligarchy of its own making, in fact, a brutal, vicious and soulless “utopia’’ that would make Joseph Stalin’s Communist state seem like a Sandals Retreat in the Bahamas.

At the base of this revolutionary movement is the critical use of language. Ideologically-tinged words—“devil terms”—now occur with amazing regularity and frequency: racism, white privilege, sexism, toxic masculinity, equality, democracy, and so on. These terms have been weaponized and are now employed by those on the Left—but also adopted by many elitist movement conservatives (“conservatism inc.”)—to disauthorize, condemn, and damn anyone who would offer effective opposition to the rapid Leftward perversion of what remains of this nation.

It is not only the frenzied talking heads on CNN and MSNBC, but such “respectable” conservative voices as Bill Kristol, Hew Hewitt, Jonah Goldberg, Rich Lowry, Ben Shapiro, the National Review crowd and various Republican types , who have joined in to legitimize each new progressivist conquest (e.g., same sex marriage) and attack any real opposition to the Leftist “long march” through our institutions. Like the hard Left, the establishment conservatives betray a hardly-concealed contempt for Middle America, for those hard-working, gun-owning, church-going, underpaid folks who still try to raise a family morally on a shrinking salary. They see the rest of us as mere rubes, a servile class who are not supposed to have a voice—this, you see, is now “American democracy.”

We are not supposed to question this arrangement; we are not supposed to get off the “reservation” assigned to us. That, you see, was the way the “new oligarchy” would work. But in 2016, in exasperation, we did question it, and we did so because instinctively we knew that the unelected managerial class—a cosmopolitan and globalist elite—was far more loyal to its own class and more concerned about conserving its power and authority. It did not give a damn about us, despite the endless stream of campaign promises we hear every election season.

We understood that the chances of success were minimal, and even if we were successful—electorally highly unlikely—the establishment and Inside-the-Beltway elites would ground to dust or coopt any opposition, including even Donald Trump.

But the unlikely did occur, and the elites—the media, the entertainment industry, almost the entirety of academia, the progressivist Democrat Left, and also those supposed defenders of our interests, “conservatism inc.”—responded with unleashed and unrestrained anger, contempt and condescension. Those elites feel threatened by the “natives’’—threatened by those of us on the giant fly-over plantation between the million dollar mansions surrounded by walls in Silicon Valley and the paneled million dollar board rooms on Wall Street where the international globalists gather to plot the future of the world.

No matter that Donald Trump filled much of his administration with establishment figures and GOP standbys (especially in foreign policy). The fact of his election had signaled that the mask of the administrative state, its very authority had been seriously challenged. And what followed was what can only be described as a torrent of lies, fabrications, assaults on our character, attempts to suppress our guaranteed rights of speech and expression, shaming us, and efforts to destroy our livelihoods or get us fired from our jobs or dismissed from our schools.

And, of course, there was the Russia Hoax, involving the Hilary Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee, the Mueller Commission, a compliant media, and the FBI and other intelligence services, and totally false claims that somehow the Russians “had interfered” in our elections. In fact, the “Russia Hoax” was completely political; the Russians were not involved, save for a few double-agents who were actually working for American/FBI interests. It was a massive, unparalleled effort not just to bring down the president, but more significantly, to discredit any opposition to the Deep State establishment’s control.

There are then, palpably, two Americas. They still use the same language, but they are increasingly incapable of communicating with each other. Almost weekly words and terms are redefined beyond comprehension, and those “devil terms” have become the modern equivalents of linguistic hydrogen bombs deployed by the progressivists. They illustrate what political theorist Paul Gottfried has called a “post-Marxist” praxis that has actually moved beyond the assaults of cultural Marxism towards a new and imposed template.

No dissent from this template is permitted in our society. If it demands you call black, white; then you must comply, or suffer the consequences. If your eyes tell you one thing, but the collective media and elites tell you something else, “who you gonna believe, them or your lying eyes”?

For “conservatism inc.” this state of affairs poses critical problems: the “movement” is more or less moribund, like a Persian eunuch at court, of little danger to the harem and of doubtful usefulness otherwise. Its stale ideas are not attractive to Millennials and offer no practical solutions to the challenges at hand. Indeed, in too many cases “establishment conservatives” and their Republican cohorts in Congress only serve to normalize each progressivist victory. Creative ideas from the Right only come nowadays from what is termed “the disauthorized Right,” from the nationalist Right (especially in Europe), and the populist and Old Right (here in the United States).

Some “movement conservatives” have recognized this. And there has been recent talk about the “conservative movement” somehow harnessing the newly unleashed nationalism and populism—witness the recent efforts of Zionist scholar Yoram Hazony (The Virtue of Nationalism, 2018) to incorporate these tendencies into the conservative mainstream. A national conference on “nationalist conservatism” was held in Washington on July 14-16. But such attempts are essentially efforts by a “phony right” (as Paul Gottfried terms it) to once again derail real opposition to the Progressivist project and maintain control over disparate elements (and also deflect criticism of Israel, always a bugaboo for the Neoconservatives).

Such efforts will ultimately fail, just as the creation of a new American nationalism will flounder, as well. Unlike most European nations which possess an organic history and common heritage, the United States has traveled too far down the road of unbridgeable division for a rooted nationalism to be successful. The disparities and extreme differences are far too great.

It is time to look elsewhere for solutions.

America in 2019 faces three possibilities for its future:

(1) Either there must be some large mass conversion of one side or the other (a ‘Road to Damascus’ conversion?), probably occasioned by some immense and earth-shaking event, war, depression, disaster; or (2) there must be a separation into independent jurisdictions of large portions of what is presently geographically the United States, including possible massive population exchanges—this separation/secession could be peaceable, although increasingly I think it would not be; or lastly, and worst, (3) the devolution of this country would continue into open and vicious civil and guerrilla war, followed by a harsh dictatorship. Disorder always abhors a vacuum, and that vacuum will be filled one way or another.

Given the present state of this nation, are there any other realistic possibilities? After all, despite the pious pining of the Neoconservative publicists that America is the world’s “exceptional” nation, the new Utopia, God did not grant us national eternity, did not guarantee our future. And our leaders and many of our citizens have done their damnedest to undo and undermine all those original hopes and promises.

The modern American madness, the lunacy—and that is certainly what it is—increases exponentially, it seems, on a daily basis. There are so many examples of it, it is so rampant in our society, that our surprise and outrage have become inured: imagine something incredibly and impossibly awful and crazy…and, lo, it actually will happen in our insane society.

There are only a very few things, a few statements by Abraham Lincoln that I can agree with. One of them is this (1858): “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

The time has come; the moment has arrived for us to discuss not only what is wrong with the country, but how we actually might resolve the issues that confront us. And just perhaps the answer is not a new and necessarily-controlled or imposed faux-nationalism, but some sort of national separation, hopefully peaceful, that might be the least disagreeable course. The other options, all of them, bring violence, civil war, and probably dictatorship. And that is something we must hope to avoid.

 
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  1. For all the talk of equality and racism, the revolutionary side in actuality seeks to replace one oligarchy—which it calls “white supremacist”—with another oligarchy of its own making, in fact, a brutal, vicious and soulless “utopia’’ that would make Joseph Stalin’s Communist state seem like a Sandals Retreat in the Bahamas.

    Yes, an anti-white oligarchy. I’m surprised and disappointed that in a essay which went as far as this one did that the author refrains from calling it this.

    A national conference on “nationalist conservatism” was held in Washington on July 14-16. But such attempts are essentially efforts by a “phony right” (as Paul Gottfried terms it) to once again derail real opposition to the Progressivist project and maintain control over disparate elements

    Its one redeeming virtue is that it wants to stop immigration. That’s huge. They’re probably not serious about it, but even if they just pretend to be serious, once an immigration moratorium is on the table, they can’t prevent people who actually are serious about it from taking over the reins.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Hamlet's Ghost
  2. Looking at America from a strategic level to preserve its original constitutional founding there is an answer…Look at it strategically in the life sustaining critical areas agriculturally, economically, industrially, energy wise, ports, rails, and major combat arms military bases all exist in red middle and southern American regions. Call it the “New America”. The northern part of America doesn’t have the industrial and population base like it had in the Civil War or even up till about 40 years ago. What industrial base America has left is located across the southeast which makes it very powerful along with a high population. The bread basket exists across middle America and the south which is predominately red conservative Americans. A map could be drawn creating the New America to secede excluding from it parts of east and west coast and other small areas of the current America that is radically undermining our Constitution. All the New America has to do is adopt the old Constitution. The New America would have enough ports for trade and commerce. The blue liberal parts left from the Old America would have to buy agriculture, energy(Texas refinery and pipelines to the north, Gulf Coast oil and gas etc) from the New America. The remaining liberal blue parts of Old America could import their foods and energy from abroad but at a great cost, they would have to rely on the New America. The New America could cut off the Old Americas energy supplies very easily with its vast energy resources and major infrastructure of pipelines that feed the radical leftist east coast and west coast along with the New Americas vast agricultural supply lines. As far as currency the New America establishes a financial base in St.Louis or other major city either creating a new currency which could be problematic or adopt a Central Bank potentially taking the dollars world currency control away from New York into the New American territories. Currency is the most critical piece. The south, southeast and middle America, parts of Midwest doesn’t know how powerful they are to be able to secede from others parts of America that are turning against them. After working at the 4 Star level DOD strategic level in logistics and in Executive Level Disaster Task Forces I looked and analyzed all aspects of infrastructure not only in America but also globally.

  3. peterAUS says:

    After working at the 4 Star level DOD strategic level in logistics and in Executive Level Disaster Task Forces I looked and analyzed all aspects of infrastructure not only in America but also globally.

    Interesting. 4 Star I mean. Really? Paragraphs!?

    O.K. say, true, so….how would YOU start working on secession from NOW on?

    I mean, in all this blathering around since I posted my first comment here, you appear to be the only person, apparently, capable of serious work re that topic/subject. In my book anyway.

    Would you enlighten a couple of us around, please?

    • Replies: @aandrews
  4. c matt says:

    A house divided against itself cannot stand

    He was of course quoting Someone far greater.

  5. c matt says:
    @bamalamadingdong

    Problem is, the “New America” you speak of is already blue infested, probably beyond redemption. If Texas doesn’t go blue in 2020, it will by 2024, if not 2022. Already all of its major metropolitan areas (Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, El Paso) except one (Fort Worth) are blue. The only reason it stays red statewide is because while the metro areas are blue, they are only thinly blue for now (51/49), and its red areas are deeply red (60/40 or stronger).

  6. Discover who really rules over Amerika (Ariel Sharon said about this…).

  7. Yes, obviously, break it up. No less an anticommunist eminence than George Kennan concluded that’s what we need to do. His concern was to preserve New England’s cultural integrity, but he also saw a fragmented USA as less dangerous to the world.

  8. trelane says:

    If people could vote with their feet and move between Red America and Blue America, the results would be very clear to see. Blue America would become a sea of essentially defective people, the permanent underclass, that would drown everyone. Red America would fare better and resemble the prosperous America of the 1950s.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Anonymous
    , @TTSSYF
  9. @c matt

    An equally good and apropos quote was written a century ago, in the aftermath of the Great War, from the Irish poet William Butler Yeats in his prophetic “The Second Coming.” … Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”

    Do not those final 8 words apply in spades to the second-raters running for the democrat nomination?

  10. Biff says:

    (3) the devolmution of this country would continue into open and vicious civil and guerrilla war, followed by a harsh dictatorship.

    My money is on #3.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    , @aandrews
  11. @trelane

    And Red America, primarily white by necessity, would have to make sure they quickly built a Strong Wall, like the one the American taxpayers built for Israel, to keep out the Plague of the crazed and hungry Antifa Zombies.

    “The Camp of the Saints,” which French writer Jean Raspail warned us of in his prophetic 1973 novel, is now upon us, folks!

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Malacaay
  12. The faster Amerikastan disintegrates the better. As for bloodshed and civil eat, if that accompanies or succeeds disintegration, so much the better.

  13. I often wondered how the Jews will manage to maintain social peace in the future, when our “society” becomes ever more fragmented and polarized. Wise men have said that the Jews carry within them the seed of their own destruction, and tend to suffocate under the circumstances they create.

    But I think that the Jews know exactly what they’re doing, at least in our case, and have everything figured out.

    When White people were a majority in the United States, the Jews took care to promote individualist/libertarian philosophy among us, so as to render our political activism on cultural matters entirely irrelevant. The only thing that the Jews needed White people to do was pull up their bootstraps and wageslave, and so they got White people to idealize capitalism and be critical of state power. At the exact same time, however, they encouraged non-White people and their liberal cosmopolitan vanguard to achieve complete cultural hegemony over the United States by seizing the power of the bureaucratic state and using it to enrich themselves and erode the foundations of traditional society.

    Now those foundations have completely crumbled. The last gasp of traditional American society is a degenerate orange boomer-buffoon who loves Israel. JFL.

    But that orange buffoon signals the rise of political militancy in the US, which is only going to increase as White minoritization sets in. White people feel threatened, and non-Whites smell blood. How can all this militancy be diverted into safe ends by our Jewish overlords?

    I think this will be done by simply switching the political dynamic stated above. The Jews will finally allow White people on the right-wing to fantasize about state power as they become a minority, and even allow us to make inroads into the bureaucracy, while at the same time promoting individualism/libertarianism among the new majority of intersectional left-wingers!

    Their argument for left-wing libertarianism will be based in simple projection, which we see already: “a cabal of White patriarchs controls our government… and so we need less government to protect ourselves from their arbitrary racism, sexism, and abuses of power!”

    Their argument for right-wing statism will be that “the liberal intersectional coalition is so factional and divided, not to mention incompetent and unpopular, that we still have electoral hope to overcome it. Is not Based Bolsonaro, a White man, the president of multiracial Brazil? Vote for Drumpf 2.0!!!”

    The false dialectics of the Jews will never end; they will merely change form.

    Thats will be the show in the political arena for the next 50 years while in the economic sphere a race style caste system will organically emerge and accepted as a natural process with the never ending brainwhasing that race realism and iq stadistics that the useful idiots of the jews provide to the masses , if you think about it iq racialism is being bombarded and used with the same intentions that childrens in that dystopic world were bombarded , to accept your paper in the game as something natural and even benefitial.

    WHITES NEED A RELIGION or its over

    • Agree: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Twodees Partain
  14. DanH says:

    Bad people occupied media and universities and concentrate in towns, but they have not yet contaminated the rest of the country and its military. Democracy is not yet lost.

    • Replies: @Realist
  15. The real protectors of freedom and virtue are those in the alternate media opposing not only the communists, the cultural Marxists, the globalists, but also the neo-con-Masonic-Zionist cabal which controls the finances, the mainstream corporate media, and the major politicians of the US and that of every other major Western nation. Free Americans who are truly Christian have a special responsibility to expose not just the evils of others but that of their own nation, simply because the US in fact is the most powerful nation in the history of the world.

    The adage, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”, is historically true, and the US is no exception. The solution is not just to cast off power but to stop behaving as if the use of sociopathic and amoral means is justified to achieve various ends simply because you have to power to do so. Neither will any grace or light be found in simply trying to return to the nation’s 1776 constitutional roots. Rather the marriage between power and corruption can only be severed by a return to Christianity whereby the exercise of power is constantly checked and restrained by Christian principles of justice and morality.

    When Jesus “challenged” Jerusalem he was challenging the corrupt Jewish establishment of his day, who for the most part had perverted the Jewish faith largely with temporal and exclusive and tribal ends. Their leaders abused not only their temporal powers but also their spiritual ones. The masses being led by their blind guides were so corrupted that they were unable to recognize their own Messiah when he was present in their midst.

    The issues is not that the US with all of its power has failed to exercise the golden
    rule in its domestic and foreign relations. Rather the problem is that the nation has sold its Christian birthright for a pottage of crass materialism and sick hedonism and then to maintain that phoney lifestyle, it has discarded the rule of law based on the silver rule exchanging it for a “might-makes-right” paganism. The solution is for all Christians and people of good will to open their eyes and to start praying and acting in unison for the rectification of all of these evils. Unfortunately their will be no leadership in this direction from the blind and compromised guides of our day, and so we will have to do it ourselves from the bottom up.

    • Replies: @Lucretius
  16. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @trelane

    That’s why this will never happen peacefully. Ever.

    They’ve been working very long and very hard to make white people disappear. If you think they’ll allow white Americans to simply walk away leaving behind an ocean of dysfunctional minorities and kooks.. you’re crazy. The masses of useful idiots are only useful for a very specific purpose.

    There will never be a staging ground given to olde America to rebuild. It will have to be taken.

  17. kauchai says:

    YES, YES and YES for the good of the world and humanity!

  18. Looking from Canada… there can be only one solution. A great political separation. A division of the country. With the reds actually creating a new America that actually functions. And the blue America filled with every god damned defective trans-human zombie and all their pets or whatever they want to call themselves. The Blue Freak Zone.
    It is coming.. There has to be a change. The lunatics are running the asylum and the real guardians are getting trigger happy. Stock up on popcorn its gonna be one helluva show.
    Its not much different up here either. The craziness is out of control.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  19. Mike-SMO says:

    More concisely, do “you” think that you are going to take ports, military bases, roadways, railhubs, resources of “my” country?

    The Bolshies took the food of my ancester “Kulaks” and starved 6-12 Million to death [Holodomor].

    Maybe give the “Cultural-Marxists” one free ticket to anywhere and then 7.62NATO for those that refuse the offer. I am inspired by the “Home Team” [Anti-Balaka] in the CAR [Central African Republic] where the Chistians (Catholic and Presbyterian), Voodoo/Vodoun/Animists, and local Muslims united to meet the Jihadi invaders with clubs, machetes, and ridiculous “zip guns” and beating them to a stand still. “All for One; One for All!” They are an inspiration to us all!

    “We” were “saved” for a reason. C’mon! Lets play…….

  20. M Krauthammar [AKA "Laura McGrath"] says:

    “People of Color” are gaining power and Whites have surrendered.
    Hopefully, all whites commit suicide and relieve themselves of the sins of their ancestors.
    I hope Miscegenation will make us one. White women love people of colour. Ask Heidi Klum, Lisa Falkenberg and other beauties. White men are pathetically weak , hopefully evolution wipes them off.

  21. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    The time has come; the moment has arrived for us to discuss not only what is wrong with the country, but how we actually might resolve the issues that confront us. And just perhaps the answer is not a new and necessarily-controlled or imposed faux-nationalism, but some sort of national separation, hopefully peaceful, that might be the least disagreeable course. The other options, all of them, bring violence, civil war, and probably dictatorship. And that is something we must hope to avoid.

    You are wrong.
    There is only one path ahead for those who believe in democracy. Total victory.
    The majority must reclaim their government and their land. All 50 states.
    The majority must rule.
    All illegals must be deported.
    All criminals must be deported.
    All traitors to our Constitutional democracy must be deported.
    Whether this is accomplished through peace or war is of no importance.
    Do not fear war.
    There can be no compromise on democracy. The majority is sovereign, and the sovereign does not negotiate his authority. Separation is surrender.
    Welcome the coming fight.

  22. Once again those from the group right seem unable to verbalize the truth:

    It is not only the frenzied talking heads on CNN and MSNBC, but such “respectable” conservative voices as Bill Kristol, Hew Hewitt, Jonah Goldberg, Rich Lowry, Ben Shapiro, the National Review crowd and various Republican types , who have joined in to legitimize each new progressivist conques..

    Call them what they are: Neocon Nutbag Greenlanders! The 24 hour toxic whiteness and attack on Western Civilization is a result from the Amish banding together and controlling all social, economic, and political pathways. Those damn Amish! And the university takeover is by those damn Icelanders who now control most departments as well as the administration. How did those damn Icelanders infiltrate them without us {{{knowing}}}.

    And why is our Congress so afraid of these few Amish, Icelanders, and Greenlanders (around 2 percent)?

    Once again another great article of {{{Truth}}}.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  23. Jason Liu says:

    There is no plausible path to separatism though, regardless of what people may want. It would take a collapse of central authority to let this happen, and that seems unlikely in the near future.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Malacaay
  24. sally says:

    Is the fragile American experiment in republicanism begun in Philadelphia in 1787, which required a commonly-shared understanding of basic principles, now over, or at the very least is it entering its agonizing death throes? <=your assumption Mr BDC are very very very wrong: the American experiment never was a government of the American people, or by the American People, or for the American People, the so called experiment of a republican Government was a device to restore control of the masses in America to the British Aristocrats caught in America with assets so valuable they could not leave and return to Britain and an effort of the British Bankers to regain control over their lost colony).

    There was no experiment in Philadelphia in 1787 it was a coup …the constitution was the British Bankers way of reconstituting their control and protecting the Estates, Wealth and Aristocratic privilege and status that the British Aristocrats in America lost in the American Revolution. Colonel Shay and his ex-soldiers and many others who fought so valiantly against the British were demanding the landed Aristocrats become ordinary Americans; the Articles Government (America's government that conducted the American Revolution and defeated the British take the vast portions of America that were the land grant lands (title given by a foreign king or queen) and the Aristocrats with large estates were not going to let that happen.

    Few everyday people in America were informed, the American people did not ratify the USA constitution, it was done by the state representatives the same who were at those Philadelphia meetings and the Aristocrats in those states that sent them to Philadelphia.. The biggest cover up in the world is ratification.

    The experiment you call it, was the 2nd revolution in America.. The presidents of the Articles of the United States of America did not start with ex British Aristocrat George Washington, it was John Hanson 1781 who was America's first president, and their were 8 presidents in all before George Washington .. why do we not honor those that conducted the war against Britain?

    The Declaration of Independence was 1776, the American Revolution was over by 1777, and the first government the Articles of Confederation operational before 1776. The first act of the 1789 Republican Congress nearly was to pass the Traitors and Sedition Act.. I forget the date.. and that act made it crime of treason to complain about the government? How is that democracy..
    Why, because people were pissed out the loss of their American Democracy to mostly ex British Aristocrats and their corporations and lawyers. The new Republican Government was formed to suit the Aristocrats, Read the Anti federalist.. .. The ratification of the constitution constitutes Americas 2nd Revolution, happened almost as the Bolshevik Revolution in 1919 in Russia. The rascals were in office before anyone knew what happened.

    The internet has helped 350,000,000 Americans discover they are occupied by 527 Republicans, many of such elected Republicans owe their allegiances to foreign countries they are citizens of. The Republicans have been trying to take the guns from the Americans since the beginning.
    No part of the 1st Ten Amendments to the constitution were in the original constitution and ratification of the constitution was denied unless the Republicans(as you call them, I call them agents of British Bankers) agreed to the bill of rights (1st ten amendments ratified Dec 15, 1791.
    I am willing to be proven wrong, in fact i rather hope it is possible to prove what I have said above wrong.
    so please tell me where I am wrong..

  25. Parfois1 says:

    The answer to the title question is an unqualified YES, and it is overdue.

    As I keep saying, the USA is not a country and it is not a nation. The building of a nation-state takes centuries. Look how long the European modern nation-states took to evolve gradually from tribes after the fall of the Roman Empire.

    Let’s take some examples, starting with England with which you are more familiar. All those tribes (Frisians, Danes, Jutes, Angles, Saxons et al) moved in there and settled in their own little paddocks separated from each other until the Danelaw emerged as a larger but separate federation plus Anglia, Mercia, etc.. And it took another two centuries of troublesome rivalries between the different tribes and further foreign interventions by Vikings until Edward the Confessor managed to call himself King of England, although Edgar preceded him in words but not in deeds. All these preliminaries to nationhood took 500 years, and that was not enough because after the first millennium the Norman French decided to also make a contribution to the effort and add another two centuries for consolidation of the new nation-state England. Altogether it took 700 years, and that is before we talk about the UK and Great Britain.

    Now, let’s go to Germany, a more germane example to nationhood without preambles: 1,500 years until Bismarck. Italy about the same. Spain 1,000 years, and still counting because neither Basques nor Catalans or Galicians consider themselves Spaniards. France and Portugal were slightly earlier with about 500 years each.

    Considering that the universal clock moves faster today, you may be lucky to come of age as a nation in 2300, give and take. Good luck! But start working on it and don’t dither.

    • Replies: @Malacaay
  26. (3) the devolution of this country would continue into open and vicious civil and guerrilla war, followed by a harsh dictatorship. Disorder always abhors a vacuum, and that vacuum will be filled one way or another.

    We’re already somewhat down the road to #3. Too many people have sat in denial of the transmogrification of the US, and as it slips away many will continue to deny it, but many will stand fast and refuse to let go of their little corners of a once great nation without a fight. Best thing the folks in Flyover Country could do at this point is to blow all the highway bridges into the cities and lay seige to and starve their denizens into submission.

  27. This is something that I have been contemplating for quite awhile, the dissolution of the United States. I have a couple of election maps that were printed in the local paper in 2012 and 2016. Instead of the regular Red State/Blue State maps, these were broken down by county. This offered a very different picture from what is usually depicted. On these maps, you find that three quarters of California is red; two thirds of Oregon and Washington State are red; eighty nine percent of Illinois is red; strips of blue ran along the Mississippi river; the Mexican border and Interstate 20; and New England was solid blue except for one county in Maine, which I attributed to global warming.

    The point is that we surround them! From the Red River to the Canadian border, and from the Mississippi River to the Rocky Mountains was a sea of Red. Still, as one commenter noted, the Southern States are so overpopulated with Negroes and Hispanics, it will be exceedingly difficult to relocate them. The American heartland is, demographically, the best location for establishing a base for Conservative, Christian White people to begin reclaiming all that has been sacrificed upon the altar of political correctness, but I’m not sure that those folks realize it. From there, aided by the chaos that will certainly ensue once Whitey isn’t present to keep the peace, we can start to reconquer all the land that has to be temporarily abandoned.

    I’ve thought that the Kurt Russell movies, “Escape from New York” and “Escape from L.A.” may have offered some decent solutions to the City problems. They could be cordoned off with the military encircling them, closing all the exits, and processing people out who were compatible with civilization. Then build walls around the cities to quarantine the savage hordes within the decaying metropolises.

    • Replies: @Realist
  28. WARNING: May include the words “Nuclear” and “War” used in the same phrase.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/TCdDrXDYSdf8/

  29. gotmituns says:

    Of course, our nation is going to break apart. But it will be a very bloody parting of the ways. There are just too many useless people addicted to welfare to let it go peacefully. They’re dumb but the do realize they are doomed if they allow the “nation” to split up.

  30. …probably occasioned by some immense and earth-shaking event, war, depression, disaster…

    Real hardship in real time. The operative word is “real”. You are shouting and fighting with your wife when you both discover the house is on fire. The so called left will discover that the worst thing in life is not whiteness.

    In the meantime yes. Stop the hate. Separate!

  31. The time has come; the moment has arrived for us to discuss not only what is wrong with the country, but how we actually might resolve the issues that confront us.

    The first step would be to finally admit publicly, that the US is controlled by Jews, has been for over a century.
    The second step would be, to realize, European Americans are in the middle of a kosher Sandwich, between jewish nutcase left, and jewish nutcase right, who only serve jewish interests in general, eg Israel. “Does it serve us, the Jews?”
    However, I don’t see this happen any time soon, granted Russian RT or Iranian PressTV are basically not much different to US media. All the media desperately overlook the pink jewish elephant in the room, who drops his dung on the fine carpet.

    As for a peaceful separation, I don’t see this, the DC regime will not allow it, it threatens their business model. Last time it ended in a devastating “civil war”, when some of the sovereign states left this Union.

    I don’t have the answer, but as things look from outside US, as war against Iran could be the catalyst for the destruction of the bankrupt US.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @Cowboy
  32. I watched about twenty minutes, or so, of the hearing, before I had to turn it off. I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thought that Mueller had either not read, much less, authored the report; was loosing his marbles; or was feigning senility. I genuinely believe it was the latter. Forgetfulness is a tactic that is frequently used by those who don’t wish to be put on the spot, held accountable, or are looking for sympathy.

    Honestly, I have not followed any of the stolen election, Russian collusion, narrative very closely. Although, I have been bombarded with the names associated with the investigation on a daily basis, I have had a hard time getting interested in it. It all seems like some ill conceived soap opera plot, with a lot of dubious sounding names tossed in to add to the intrigue, designed to keep the public focused on a big, scandalous, reality t.v. episode. To me, it seems like, if the Russians influenced the election in favor of the TrumpStar, then they did it with the electoral college, because he lost the popular vote count (once all of the votes that were cast by the deceased and illegal alien Democrats were tallied).

    Truthfully, I can’ help but laugh at the idea of a foreign power interfering with our elections, when all that this country has done for over a century is overthrow the leaders of other countries, rig their elections and install puppet governments. It is the height of hypocrisy when our leaders claim to be indignant over an alleged infraction against our sovereignty. Besides, the U. S. government has been controlled by a (((foreign government))) since 1948.

  33. Interesting article. Author sees the problems & has a reasonable analysis.
    Unfortunately, appearances are taken for realities.
    Yes, there is a “red” & “blue” US. It’s real — but also a trick, an “appearance”. Some citizens are conservative, some are progressive, & millions are bits of one & the other. They appear to be the devisive separate Americas.
    There are two Americas: the 0.01% (& their various myrmidions). And all the rest.
    The 0.01% care about cultural issues (homosexuality, abortion, marriage, equality, inequality, race, antifa) as much as they care about the tools in their tool kit.
    Let’s face it — the mere existence of this article, & others like it shows just how successful elites have been at using those tools.
    All the passion expended for & against BLM, for gender this – against gender that, etc etc are signs of success.
    My God — not only are citizens fragmented 100 ways from Sunday, atomised to sheer degrees of hatred, but they can’t even identify their enemies, let alone mount some kind of challenge.
    The elites will be happy for all this cultural insanity to go on for ever — short of real material anarchy …. anarchy isn’t so good for business.
    (incidentally, I didn’t mention the tribe — that should be a given).

    • Replies: @sally
  34. In Minnesota, there is a openly Anti-White Male Somalian Muslim LEGAL IMMIGRANT Congressman and White Liberals and White Leftists cheer her on….

    If a NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALE who was openly Anti-Somalian Muslim Male ran against her, he would be accused of being the second comming of Hitler….

    My hatred of Noam Chomsky….who is excited about the COLD BLOODED DEMOGRAPHIC MURDER of Native Born White American Working Class Males…knows no bounds….

    WW2 wasn’t worth it……

    The Civil War wasn’t worth it….

    Tucker Carlson:”I’m not a racist…I don’t mind being voted into voted into a White Racial Minority within the borders of America by Somalian Muslim “Americans”….

    • Replies: @TKK
  35. Realist says:

    The other options, all of them, bring violence, civil war, and probably dictatorship. And that is something we must hope to avoid.

    But avoidance will probably be impossible.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  36. Realist says:
    @follyofwar

    “The Camp of the Saints,” which French writer Jean Raspail warned us of in his prophetic 1973 novel, is now upon us, folks!

    Yes, indeed.

  37. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:

    At the base of this revolutionary movement is the critical use of language. Ideologically-tinged words—“devil terms”—now occur with amazing regularity and frequency: racism, white privilege, sexism, toxic masculinity, equality, democracy, and so on. These terms have been weaponized and are now employed by those on the Left—but also adopted by many elitist movement conservatives (“conservatism inc.”)—to disauthorize, condemn, and damn anyone who would offer effective opposition to the rapid Leftward perversion of what remains of this nation.

    .

    Not that the “opposition” has no natural drive to use words altering their meaning in self-serving ways, or no will to use force.
    You yourself, Cathey, have put links in your pieces here to anti-progressivists that are consummate deceivers (and have a not-so-little following, due to this virtue).

    The difference isn’t there. The difference is in numbers, willpower, and, especially, the skill of the groups at the head of the two countries the USA has become.
    Considering one specific Player that is in the “progressive” camp, to alter the strength unbalance is utopian in my opinion.
    The side where that Player plays is the winning side, always.

  38. Realist says:
    @Aryan transhumanist

    White people feel threatened,…

    Some whites….many are too stupid.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  39. Icy Blast says:
    @bamalamadingdong

    The southern states have very high crime rates. Very few people who were not born in the former Confederate states want to live in them. In addition to high crime, the cause of which cannot yet be safely named, there are millions of self-styled “Christians” in these states who still believe the fantastically silly and destructive Untermyer-Scofield-Hagee interpretations of The Bible. Also, the southern states have a climate which is conducive to disease, and are infested with giant cockroaches which the natives call “pine roaches,” as well as other bugs which people from other states might think of as “deal-breakers.”

    Finally, I should add that the “manufacturing base” in these states consists largely of assembly plants built by German and Japanese carmakers who were lured by virtually free land, favorable labor laws, and very low taxes.

    I appreciate the love Southerners have for their homeland but I don’t think people from Colorado, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington State, Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho, to name just a few, are going to pack up and move to Mississippi. So there’s that.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Cleburne
    , @BJM
    , @Alden
  40. anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    “O.K. say, true, so….how would YOU start working on secession from NOW on?”

    Just talking about it is good enough for now. Talk about it enough, and maybe something happens. People get convinced, disillusionment with the current order spreads, ground level organization starts, then a critical mass is reached and the dam breaks. This article is an important first step in that direction. This is a milestone. Honestly, America does need a divorce. It’s about time. This current state is intolerable.

    “Its one redeeming virtue is that it wants to stop immigration. That’s huge. They’re probably not serious about it, but even if they just pretend to be serious, once an immigration moratorium is on the table, they can’t prevent people who actually are serious about it from taking over the reins.”

    1) If they aren’t serious about it, then it’s a distraction – the piper leading his victims hypnotically to their doom. They are clearly trying to run out the clock until it is too late to do anything. They never had any intention of doing anything in the first place. All their actions up until this point prove that: Trump has repeatedly, even recently, claimed he wants record high legal immigration; the republic party just voted to increase H1B visas; the republic party’s members have repeatedly floated amnesty and increased levels of immigration (Graham and Rubio); Trump is a neocon toad who only cares about Israel and serving their interests; the entire left-wing media have highlighted the poor little migrant invaders and their supposedly horrible treatment; nearly every democrat candidate endorsed open borders at that last debate; Trump toadie Charlie Kirk states that the GOP isn’t against immigration, just illegal immigration … as if that means anything because we lose our country either way – legally or illegally; GOP donors have pushed for amnesty and immigration for years….etc etc etc

    On top of that, every democrat is a racist bigot who hates us for our skin color, so they won’t be doing anything they think will benefit us. Just listen to the likes of bigots like Pete Buttigieg and Robert O’Rourke talk. Nothing is getting done – ever. Don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise. We’ve fallen for that delusion many times before and have been let down every single time. It’s time to give it up and try something else.

    2) That’s not true. After 2020, the democrats will control congress permanently and they are now the open borders party. That border is never getting closed. They aren’t voting for that. AOC and Omar won’t let them, and they are the future of that party. And Trump wants INCREASED legal immigration, too. He’s said it repeatedly. That’s just as bad if not worse.

    3) You’re obviously a hasbara infiltrator. I’ve seen you post the same comment on several different websites. You’re clearly trying to influence the conversation positively towards this “National Conservative” neocon 2.0 rebrand grift. Won’t work. It’s already been exposed. The guy who organized the conference is an Israeli nationalist who invited that POS John Bolton to speak while disinviting Peter Brimelow, a noted immigration skeptic; Sheldon Adelson is funding the effort. The New Republic just ran an article exposing them. It is OBVIOUS what that conference was about – gatekeeping by controlling the conversation…steering it back to the Conservatism Inc. grift of yesteryear. No thanks. I and others will devote all our time and attention to ripping it apart, along with its Israeli backers and financiers.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @peterAUS
  41. Realist says:
    @DanH

    Bad people occupied media and universities and concentrate in towns, but they have not yet contaminated the rest of the country and its military.

    I take, by towns, you mean also anything larger; such as cities and megalopolis’. That would leave damn few to constitute the ‘ rest of the country’. The military is already controlled by ‘bad people’.

  42. Realist says:
    @sally

    Democracy and all it’s derivations have always failed…and will this time too.

    Democracy is an insidious form of government, it lasts long enough to make people think it
    really will work…..this time.

  43. Realist says:
    @Cowtown Rebel

    Then build walls around the cities to quarantine the savage hordes within the decaying metropolises.

    Sounds good, but the real out come will not be that tidy.

    • Replies: @Cowtown Rebel
  44. Lucretius says:
    @Fred Baggins

    Solzhenitsyn was right. All this is happening because “man has forgotten God.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  45. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:

    “The southern states have very high crime rates.”

    The author solves that problem with population transfers. Also, the crime rates in many non-black areas are lower than the national average. Some poor white areas of Appalachia have a rape rate 30% less than the national average, even with drug use. It’s not nearly as bad as many think.

    “Very few people who were not born in the former Confederate states want to live in them.”

    Millions live in them just fine. Besides, you could say the same of Israel yet it exists.

    “there are millions of self-styled “Christians” in these states who still believe the fantastically silly and destructive Untermyer-Scofield-Hagee interpretations of The Bible.”

    With the empire gone (and those that support it), I expect that position to moderate with time. That ideology you disparage is supported by a lot of bad people who will be removed post separation. Divorce will do everyone some good. I expect the extreme left to moderate in blue states, too – that is unless they want the POC to rise and devour them.

    “Also, the southern states have a climate which is conducive to disease, and are infested with giant cockroaches which the natives call “pine roaches,” as well as other bugs which people from other states might think of as “deal-breakers.”

    That’s nonsense. You clearly don’t live there. Besides, I would contend that the Midwest’s weather (winter) is faaar worse.

    “Finally, I should add that the “manufacturing base” in these states consists largely of assembly plants built by German and Japanese carmakers who were lured by virtually free land, favorable labor laws, and very low taxes.”

    Manufacturing is only a small part of those state’s economies, so that doesn’t matter. A significant portion of manufacturing jobs have already been lost anyway due to NAFTA.

    “I don’t think people from Colorado, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington State, Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho, to name just a few, are going to pack up and move to Mississippi. So there’s that.”

    There are over 200 million white Caucasians in this country. You’d only need a very small fraction of that to turn many Southern states into a veritably whitetopias. Alabama has roughly the same land area as the country of England. Do a small population transfer after partition and then import just 0.5% of the white population from elsewhere and it would be whiter than the national average in 1960.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
  46. Realist says:
    @Icy Blast

    I appreciate the love Southerners have for their homeland but I don’t think people from Colorado, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington State, Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho, to name just a few, are going to pack up and move to Mississippi. So there’s that.

    Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon and Washington state are already blue. The key would be for the food producing states(Nebraska, Kansas, North and South Dakota, Missouri, Wisconsin and Indiana) to retain and increase what redness they have. Without food the megalopolis’ would soon be red.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
  47. Jake says:

    It is long, long past time for that. There are 2 reasons. The first is that the American Left is now ready for, itching for in many cases, large scale violence. If there is not a voluntary break up of the Union, then at some point there will be civil war, which the Left will see as a war to end all evil forever, which means some contemporary form of a combo WASP Puritanism/Enlightenment Jacobinism/Modernist Bolshevism/Post-Modernist pro-Semitic (Arabic Mohammedan as well as Jewish) and anti-white Multiculturalism will be set loose with a furious desire to remake the globe.

    The other reason is that the only way to end the terrors inflicted across the globe by the Anglo-Zionist Empire is if its constituent parts are split into at least two nations.

    The Land of the Puritans’ Pride, the land of the Yankee WASP, indeed is the Evil Empire, the only nation that right could be, and has an Elite that would delight in being, the monster devouring everything that fails to bow and offer tribute quickly enough.

  48. This concept is utter bullshit,

    … from its once-established moral base in a more or less historic Christian framework …

    Moral base? Don’t make me puke.

    Only dreamers think that way because despite the tender founding myths, it was a fraud from the start. If you don’t believe it go read, among others, Lysander Spooner and study what the anti-federalists had to say. As far as “Christian,” that’s really boneheaded, because Christ didn’t come to start a government, nor does it seem likely that he would have approved of one that was cobbled together to favor the moneyed interests in their never ending quest to rob the poorer, protected the institution of chattel slavery, promoted debt slavery, and waged war on all who stood in the way of ever increasing self- aggrandizement.

    Despite the corny, though soothing, rhetoric the US government never had anything to do with Christianity or any other philosophy of common decency.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    , @Ace
  49. It’s impossible to conceive of a successful, sustaining “red” (read:white) New America without mass population transfers. While a small amount of loyal, peaceful, law abiding blacks might be tolerable, it would impossible to perpetuate long term success if any members of the Tribe are allowed to stay. Not sure any Boomer types who would form a part of the population understand that. They simply cannot stay.

  50. The social justice fanatics who demonstrate in the streets, who appear nightly on our news channels broadcasting the ideological virus they call news, who parade before a House or Senate committee (or serve on that committee!), and who indoctrinate gullible and intellectually-abused students in supposed centers of higher education, are, to use Chesterton’s parable, lunatics. They are “already outside the world of reason,” and their unrestrained rage to destroy is only matched by their profound inability to create anything of real and lasting value.

    All true, but that also describes government groupies of all odors, and anyone who dreams that government will liberate you, or protect the few liberties you have, is also a lunatic because no one can be free when power hungry lunatics constantly seek domination and they will always exist.

  51. TKK says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Heck, the morons here cheer her on. They adore that malevolent rag head who smirks at the white man’s demise.

    Why?

    Because she spouts off Shia canned hatred of Israel.

    That’s how you know it’s over.

    This is an alternative site, but all anyone- poster or author- has to trot out is their silly ((( ))) rhetoric, and they all swallow it. It’s so predictable as to be frightening.

    They actually threaten other commenters with violence, which is cowardly, laughable and completely without risk, if ANY view of Jews is not one of foaming hatred.

    It’s just the other side of the face of AntiFa loons. They don’t respond to reason or nuance. They are as brainwashed as a Maxine Waters supporter.

    The days of evidence based analysis are gone.

    The only solution I see affecting change would be a coordinated mass white working class shut down. We stop working. We starve the beast.

    No more competent RNs, teachers, IT workers who speak English, garbage workers, servers, cops, physicians, lawyers, pilots, baggage handlers, bankers or any other worker that keep the lights on.

    No paychecks to rob. Pull out all equity and cash and hide it. Refuse to pay the mortgage and have 50 million homes they need foreclosure. Band together in arms and ransack the grocery stores for what you need- just like the pavement apes did at the Walgreens.

    The Feds would keep borrowing for a while… but if workers decided to adapt the parasite lifestyle of the browns and blacks, it could disrupt the .0001%.

    A long shot. Can the military force us to work? A la gulag? That’s the litmus test.

  52. Jake says:
    @silviosilver

    It is an oligarchy in which almost all the primary rulers are themselves white, as in racially Caucasian. The few non-whites in the club are there at the sufferance of the Caucasians who rule the club.

    But this oligarchy is increasingly Jewish, and Saudi oil sheiks are part of the club. And the many whites of European ancestry who are in the club are all anti-Christendom and anti-historic Christianity.

    This oligarchy is anti-white because Christendom was built and run by whites. This oligarchy is anti-Christendom at its foundation; anti-Christ, anti-Christendom is its raison d’etre.

    You therefore are wasting all time, money, and energy you expend opposing this oligarchy if you are not aligned with the vestiges of Christendom that are working to rebuild worthwhile civilization.

    Atheism, agnosticism, deism, Puritanism, social gospelism, Freemasonism, WASPism, Americanism – all produce fruit that props up this oligarchy, which means that in the kulkurkampf, all of the above, which are absolutely central to the British Empire and its American heir, are allied with Marxism and Cultural Marxism.

    This is a spiritual war. It can be won only one way.

    • Replies: @Tom Rogers
  53. OK, I give up. Had to stop reading the drivel after this.

    The question comes down to this: Is the fragile American experiment in republicanism begun in Philadelphia in 1787, which required a commonly-shared understanding of basic principles …

    Gimmee a break. This is the 21st century and the “experiment” has been bearing it’s abominable fruits for all the world to see for nearly 250 years so how can anyone still believe that cornpone? I think I’ll just read the comments instead.

    PS: The Fourth of July is over. Time to pack up the fireworks, flags, hot dawgs and beers, and wait til next summer.

  54. melpol says:

    Open borders for 50 million hungry Latinos will make the farmers happy and fill food market shelves. The mother with five welfare dependent children produces growth in the economy. If China can support one billion people so can we.

    • Replies: @Henry Bowman
  55. @Realist

    In the 1800s things moved more slowly. It was in the 1820s that John Quincy Adams and John Calhoun concluded there were irreconcilable differences between north and south that would eventually lead to Civil War. Forty years of compromises postponed the inevitable.

    The situation is much worse today.

    For starters, we don’t have one John Calhoun representing us in the US Senate–not one.

    We have no significant media outlets (measured by “clicks” or “views”) representing us–not one.

    While there are clear areas (the “heartland”, “rural areas”) that may be sympathetic to our cause, there are very few areas where “traitors” are not mixed in among the general population, even within families.

    This is one big mess, and there will be no positive resolution without some unimaginable misery for _everyone_.

    I just don’t see a clear and clean “solution”–slow degradation (Roman Empire style) is probably the _best_ possible outcome.

    • Agree: Realist
  56. Another ringer from Boyd Cathey!

    It is not only the frenzied talking heads on CNN and MSNBC, but such “respectable” conservative voices as Bill Kristol, Hew Hewitt, Jonah Goldberg, Rich Lowry, Ben Shapiro …

    Three of these kids belong together! Three of these kids are kinda the same!

    And, of course, there was the Russia Hoax, involving the Hilary Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee, the Mueller Commission, a compliant media, and the FBI and other intelligence services …

    And apparently into Britain’s MI6 as well. This dire need for an enemy is a foundational premise of NATO. This fact is one of the reasons for the 2014 coup in Ukraine.

  57. @yes to smithereens

    No less an anticommunist eminence than George Kennan concluded that’s what we need to do. His concern was to preserve New England’s cultural integrity, but he also saw a fragmented USA as less dangerous to the world.

    Didn’t know that about Kennan, but if true, he was right again, though I’d need to understand what he considered New England’s culture and what he considered New England. I do know that Vermont broke away from New York and was the first state to abolish chattel slavery (1777), so he’s probably on target as usual.

    He was definitely on target regarding the fragmentation being less dangerous.

    New York “morals” and “culture” stink, pretty much always have, and probably will continue to odiferously putrefy ’til the end. (Hillary and tRump are exhibits “A”.)

  58. Icy Blast says:
    @Realist

    Dear Lord, this red/blue thing is silly. If, in a national election, the Democrats win the state of Oregon 52% to 48%, this result does not make Oregon “blue.” More useful is to study the results by county, as pointed out by one of the few clear-thinking participants in this discussion, Cowtown Rebel.

    Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, and Washington State are not “blue.” They are dominated politically by a few urban counties. This sad fact does not make them replicas of Berkeley, Austin, Ann Arbor, or Manhattan.

    This red/blue silliness was started during the 2000 election campaign by some knucklehead TV guy named Tim Russert. Apparently the Hipster-Left-Progressive Ruling Class was angry about the color associated with their politics. Red was the color indelibly paired in the popular mind with communism, and hence with the spectacular collapse thereof which began in 1989. (Most Americans seem unaware that the Soviet Union officially dissolved itself on Christmas Day, 1991.) Red was a loser’s color in the minds of Leftists, in spite of Barbara Streisand’s forgotten movie, “Reds.” So the Left, which controls the public discourse in the United States, decided to switch colors with the hated (true blue American) enemy, and they had (and have) the power to make these labels stick. Right-wingers are “rednecks” – get it? So-called “Conservatives” accepted this reassignment of colors without a murmur of protest, which they do with everything shoved down their throats by the TV networks.

    Lastly, few Americans seem to know the geography of their own country. Wyoming, for example, is the leading coal-producing state by a very wide margin. And the states I named produce huge quantities of food. So there’s that.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @shadowbass
    , @Realist
  59. Miggle says:

    Great article, Boyd, but let me quibble a little.

    And just perhaps the answer is not a new and necessarily-controlled or imposed faux-nationalism, but some sort of national separation, hopefully peaceful, that might be the least disagreeable course. The other options, all of them, bring violence, civil war, and probably dictatorship. And that is something we must hope to avoid.

    Here you seem to demonize dictatorship while talking about how voter “democracy” has failed. But it seems to be dictatorships that have done most to lift people out of poverty in modern times. Gaddafi did more for Libyans than any American president will ever do for Americans.

    And think of Michael Hudson and the high place he gives to debt forgiveness. The ancient Sumerian and Accadian rulers periodically forgave all existing debts, because they were more economically advanced than any modern American president. Those rulers, the kings, could only do that because they were dictators.

    If we define democracy not in the American sense of election by voting in a designedly rigged system, a fake cover for the rule of the plutocrats, but rather as election by lot, which will generally mean the dictatorship of the proletariat, that will potentially be superior to the dictatorship of one.

    But currently there is no such system. So it seems the only viable system of government is dictatorship. That is, if it is not interfered with by a powerful foreign nation as was the case with the last Iranian shah, and others installed by the USA.

    It means lobbyists might be advisors, but nothing more. They could never bring pressure on the dictator. So, necessarily, a dictatorship has much higher integrity that a US government.

    So, break the country into a number of mini-federations with borders arranged so all have ports on an ocean, none are land-locked; and let the population of each, or one of them, work out their system of government. Let’s not fuss over what is decided for them or by them.

  60. onebornfree says: • Website
    @sally

    Sally says: “There was no experiment in Philadelphia in 1787 it was a coup …”

    Yes, exactly!

    Sally says: “..The experiment you call it, was the 2nd revolution in America.. The presidents of the Articles of the United States of America did not start with ex British Aristocrat George Washington, it was John Hanson 1781 who was America’s first president, and their were 8 presidents in all before George Washington .. “

    I thought it was 12 presidents prior to the crook/murderer Washington, but regardless, point taken.

    Sally says: “..The first act of the 1789 Republican Congress nearly was to pass the Traitors and Sedition Act.. I forget the date.. and that act made it crime of treason to complain about the government? “

    The Alien and Sedition Act [1798] was an early example of “the writing on the wall” writ large. It served as the template for various subsequent federal abominations with the same intent, including the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act [2001] . Another early example would be the fact that a General was the first post-coup president – both examples serve as very good indicators of exactly where the new coalition was actually headed and what was in store for Americans, for those with their eyes open back then .

    Sally says: “..No part of the 1st Ten Amendments to the constitution were in the original constitution and ratification of the constitution was denied unless the Republicans(as you call them, I call them agents of British Bankers) agreed to the bill of rights (1st ten amendments ratified Dec 15, 1791.

    My understanding is that the constitution became “the law of the land”, without the Bill of Rights, when the 9th state [9 of the 13, i.e. a 2/3rds majority] , North Carolina voted in favor of it. But Madison and others were fearful that the Anti Federalists arguments that the constitution was a scam that would install a large central authority to dominate the states unless a Bill of Rights [BoR] modeled on the various BoRs already pre-existing in the 13 states was added, was persuasive with many, and that therefor, without a federal BoR the new constitutional unification arrangement wouldn’t hold for long. So the 1st congress added a federal BoR to accomplish a political “end run” around the obstacle posed by the Anti Federalist arguments.

    The Judiciary Act of 1789:

    I referred to the new BoR as a “political end run” , because that’s exactly what it was – a fraud.

    A fraud/deception because the exact same persons who crafted it had previously authored an innocuous little something called “the Judiciary Act of 1789” , which [in paragraph 25] gave the new Supreme Court supreme authority to “interpret” the new constitution , [ including, naturally the new, added BoR] a BoR which would not itself be ratified for nearly 2 years.

    See: The Bill of Rights Scam – [aka The 1789 Judiciary Act Scam] :
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2010/05/1789-judiciary-act-scam.html

    Regards, onebornfree

  61. @Anonymous

    They’ve been working very long and very hard to make white people disappear.

    I don’t think it’s white people per se that they want to disappear, it’s all people who’ll resist functioning as useful idiots. The red Americans were all but completely disappeared probably for that reason, the black Haitian rebels have been kept under the bootheel probably for that reason, and the world wars were fought partly to subdue or enslave anyone who could have possibly resisted Wall Street and London’s moneyed goons.

    Germany had it’s own monetary system and had to be crushed, and the previous “ally”, the USSR, had to be demonized because it refused to join the newly created World Bank and the IMF. Several brown peoples’ countries have been destroyed in recent history for similar reasons.

    It’s a class war, and always will be. The race war pales in comparison and the money bag crowd knows how to play that card well so don’t let the usurious Talmudic bastards pull that stunt yet again.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  62. Ridiculous comment. How many blacks compared to whites have won the Mr. Universe contest? Or the strongest man in the world competition? Or weightlifting? Or wrestling, fencing, and other
    martial arts competitions? Blacks maybe dominated some categories of boxing over some periods, but historically I doubt they are over represented as champs even in this sport. And in Olympic and World competitions of shooting? Or archery? At least you’d expect them to better whites in such a primitive bow and arrow sport?

  63. Biff says:

    (3) the devolmution of this country would continue into open and vicious civil and guerrilla war, followed by a harsh dictatorship.

    Like 9/11 the civil war will be a false flag, and just like what followed 9/11 the harsh dictatorship will be all too real – with each time getting more extreme.

  64. The only people dumb enough to be inculcated by professors to produce the SJW’s, etc are people dumb enough to believe that a degree in the ‘Humanities’ or ‘Social Sciences’ is worth having. People with REAL degrees in STEM fields aren’t taken in by the liberal nonsense because their courses don’t include the ‘basket weaving’ courses that are the mainstay of the non STEM track.

    As long as non STEM ‘professions’ exist and schools teach utter nonsense to turn out more and more educated idiots the problem will remain. No one should be able to get a degree in an opinion such as law, psychiatry, human resources, economics, and a host of other supposed ‘professions’ that have little to no empirical evidence to back them up. What they have is an opinion on how things should be and that opinion is shown to be more and more unhinged as time progresses.

    Shut down all student loans for anything not in the STEM fields. Shut down colleges that exist to preach opinions as facts and produce people incapable of reason.

  65. @TKK

    Good idea but it needs organising. Also they have a lot of strikebreakers ready – the immigrants – and in the case of a general strike they would bus in more scabs from south of the border.

  66. @bamalamadingdong

    I’ve seen this oft-repeated fantasy too many times: In a future civil war the Right will win easily because they have all the guns, food supply, the military and police are right-wing etc. Sorry to burst anyone’s bubble, but that’s just not how it will go down. The left already has (or their control of will only get stronger of), the big tech corporations, the media, academia, and the government bureaucracies. The top brass of the military is also getting more left wing, so it will be unlikely a cadre of military leaders might side with the Right in Civil War II. The rank and file military might still remain majority conservative, as will most state and local police forces. But never underestimate the tendency of a human being to follow orders from authority, no matter how corrupt or immoral that authority may be (this is what psychological studies like the infamous Milgram Experiment and Stanford Prison Experiment have shown). And sorry, but gun-toting citizens versus the entire weight of the US military and police forces is no contest at all.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  67. Meester Sheete,

    Here is what X thinks,

    https://vermontrepublic.org/george-f-kennan-godfather-of-the-vermont-independence-movement/

    America is an abstraction, like transuent causation or the square root of -1. We need to be clear what we’re talking about. What we have in common is not some meaningless America crap. The totalitarian kleptocracy of the USA has its hooks in us, and we’re trying to get loose. That is what we have in common.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  68. alexander says:

    Dear Boyd,

    The “divide and conquer ” strategy, which you are illuminating, is a consequence of our “elites” seeking to avoid, at all costs, being held accountable for defrauding the country into committing the supreme crime of war of aggression, mass murdering millions of innocent people, and bankrupting the nation.

    Both “Russia gate” and “identity politics” are two examples of establishment misdirection. They are created to obscure the horrific reality that our “elites”actually deceived us all into catastrophic war, belong in federal prison, and should have all their assets seized to pay down the cost of the wars they lied us into.

    The sheer “lunacy” of the sorted troglodytes that continue to be “trotted out”, day after day, are testimony to our elites capacity to “lash back” at the American people, to hide the horrific sins they have committed against our country ….and the world.

    The nation need not be divided, separated, or broken apart.

    What the country needs is “accountability” for the crimes committed against it by our ruling class and its fraudulent media.

  69. @TKK

    Heck, the morons here cheer her on.

    Morons cheered Hillary and tRump (and a very long list of other white idiots) on as well, and many still do. There’s a point there, somewhere.

  70. Icy Blast,

    The movie “Reds,” overlong but pretty good, I thought, was produced, directed, co-written, and starred Warren Beatty. When I checked Wikipedia, I could not find Streisand’s name mentioned anywhere.

    Regarding the Electoral College, I’ve always thought it was unfair to give all of the EC votes to the winner of that state. If it went by congressional district (as is done in Nebraska and Maine), with an additional two EC votes going to the state’s winner to account for the Senate, it would not only be more fair, but it could help the conservatives. How many tens of thousands of conservative residents of California, New York, and Illinois, to name three, don’t even bother to vote for president as they know their vote is totally meaningless in such overwhelmingly blue states? But they would win several districts. But, by all means, this country should NEVER go to a nationwide popular vote.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    , @Miro23
  71. Gene Urtel says: • Website

    “Perhaps the answer is… some sort of national separation, hopefully peaceful.”

    No. The coming separation will be violent, just as the first two American secessions were.

    Furthermore, this division will be between roughly one-third against another third of the population, with one-third being uncommitted, as the first two secessions were.

    To be more specific, this future war will begin in a fit of passion in opposition to a specific, enacted tax measure (the Tea Tax), or at least to a proposed, legislated penalty on their property (the outlawing of slavery in U.S. territories). Prior to this time there will be acts of exceptional, civil violence in regards to such legislation.

    Secondly, this war will not occur until after America has fought in a prior, foreign war which will have ended twelve years previously. Confer the French and Indian War and the Mexican War.

    Thirdly, there will be a trial run, so to speak, at breaking up the Union in the form of a revolt against a proposed or legislated measure. Consult the Stamp Act opposition and the Nullification Movement.

    Fourthly, this war will not occur until a new, prominent, political party would have come into existence. Recall the American Whigs and the Republican Party formed in 1854.

    The spark that will set off this war will be an armed conflict between the two, bitterly opposed, political sides: the status quo government and the revolutionary party, or the rebels, such as happened on the Lexington green, and at Fort Sumter.

    Around the start of this war about a dozen states will secede from the Union, and will form their own federal government over their own territory. Refer to the Declaration of Independence and to the Confederate States of America! Once formed this government would call on its supporters to form an army to protect it. Recall the formation of the Continental Congress and its call to George Washington to head the militia in 1775. Remember the formation of the Confederate States of America and the raising of its army in 1861.

    The formation of a new, federal government in opposition will be, in effect, a declaration of war. In fact, it will be the point of no return in regards to hostilities.

    See my full article: Gene Urtel, “What Events will occur prior to the coming War?”

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @flashlight joe
  72. Corvinus says:

    Wow, the author of this piece absolutely lost it.

    “What has happened—what is happening—to the geographical entity we call the United States, to its people, to its culture?”

    It remains vibrant.

    “Millions of “woke” social justice progressives now control the Democratic Party and most of our media; they dominate our entertainment and sports industries; they push for open borders and what amounts to “population replacement” of natives by illegal aliens; and they have a stranglehold on the near entirety of our educational system, from the primary grades to our colleges.”

    Wow, just wow. Fake News galore here.

    “And, of course, there was the Russia Hoax”

    Not a hoax. It is something verifiably real.

    “There are then, palpably, two Americas. They still use the same language, but they are increasingly incapable of communicating with each other.”

    No, there is one America. People here despite our issues get along.

    “America in 2019 faces three possibilities for its future:
    (1) Either there must be some large mass conversion of one side or the other (a ‘Road to Damascus’ conversion?), probably occasioned by some immense and earth-shaking event, war, depression, disaster”

    Maybe, then again, probably not.

    (“2) there must be a separation into independent jurisdictions of large portions of what is presently geographically the United States, including possible massive population exchanges—this separation/secession could be peaceable, although increasingly I think it would not be; or lastly, and worst”

    Highly improbable, given the political, economic, and social ramifications of such a monumental move. Would people be forced to move? Where? How? What happens if there is resistance? Is there even enough support by citizens to undergo this process? What happens to sportsball?

    “(3) the devolution of this country would continue into open and vicious civil and guerrilla war, followed by a harsh dictatorship. Disorder always abhors a vacuum, and that vacuum will be filled one way or another.”

    I keep hearing from the Alt Right that today’s men are “soyboys”, yet, miraculously, they will go all Hulk and lead the charge to overthrow our government?

    Mr. Cathey, are you prepared to lead this revolution? The pen in this case is not mightier than the sword. So, front lines, or back of the bus?

    • Troll: fish
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  73. Corvinus says:
    @Realist

    “Some whites….many are too stupid.”

    How anti-white of you to say!

  74. Malla says:

    America was never meant to be a multiracial hodge podge. America was founded by Europeans from North Western Europe. At most, some Europeans form the other parts of Europe of good character would have joined and at most the Native Americans would be included into the nation. It was never meant to be a hodge podge of the world.

    As the wise Aristotle said, Democracy only works in a homogenous society. Multi racial, multicultural societies are loved by tyrants and despots.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  75. If anyone wants to know what is happening in America read The Protocols of Zion, there it is, spelled out in plain sight, the zionist satanic take over of Europe and America!

  76. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    “Just talking about it is good enough for now. Talk about it enough, and maybe something happens.”

    LOL. You do realize that this “conversation” has been ongoing for the past 50 years, right?

    “People get convinced, disillusionment with the current order spreads, ground level organization starts, then a critical mass is reached and the dam breaks. This article is an important first step in that direction. This is a milestone.”

    What is needed is direct action. Talk is cheap. Put it this way–are you prepared to lead and fight or have others do the heavy lifting while you take the credit?

    “Honestly, America does need a divorce. It’s about time. This current state is intolerable.”

    Intolerable for YOU, but not others.

  77. Realist says:

    Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, and Washington State are not “blue.” They are dominated politically by a few urban counties.

    They are dominated politically by a few urban counties.

    That’s why they are blue.

    Those few urban counties you mention constitute the majority population. So there’s that.

    Lastly, few Americans seem to know the geography of their own country. Wyoming, for example, is the leading coal-producing state by a very wide margin. And the states I named produce huge quantities of food. So there’s that.

    The states you named don’t hold a candle to the states I named in sustaining food production.
    Yes, California produces a large amount of food….it is after all the Land of Fruits and Nuts. For basic food needs the Midwest is number one.

    • Agree: Agent76
  78. Svevlad says:

    Ironically enough, the most radical antifa attack dogs would be the first ones to get purged. Y’know, like Stalin arranged that Trotsky get icepicked and such

  79. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @M Krauthammar

    You transparently are a close relative of Titania McGrath’s.

  80. Icy Blast says:
    @anon

    Dear Anon[216]: If you are going to take the time to write a point-by-point commentary on my post, you should hit the “reply” button first. Then I won’t have to find your response by accident while I’m scrolling through comments.

    My observation about bugs in Dixieland seems to have irritated you the most. Contrary to your assertion, I have lived in the South – in Northern Virginia and in Savannah, Georgia. These places “enjoy” a hot, humid climate. This is the sort of weather the various species of cockroach love most. Whether you call them palmetto bugs or water bugs, they are cockroaches. I know from experience that no matter how often you mop and scrub with bleach, and no matter how much you run the air conditioner, these mammoth bugs will continue to live in your building. Sometimes they will pop out of the air conditioner vents during dinner to say hello. And this hot, humid weather is the norm from East Texas to Florida to Virginia and Maryland. Perhaps, however, if you are rich, you can take measures to keep these hideous, disease-bearing creatures at bay.

    Secondly, I don’t think population-transfers of any size will ever happen. This is not the Soviet Union. The historical, social, and political conditions necessary for such radical measures to be realized do not exist here.

    Also, I have noted the admirable pride that Southerners have in their region. I have no quarrel with this, though I am not a Southerner. But I can’t resist pointing out that, out of the ten largest states by area in the U.S.A., nine are out West. Alabama ranks 30th.

    Finally, I think we should heed the brilliant commenter “Cowtown Rebel” and analyze the results of national elections by county, not state. The Western states are not the bastions of left-wing insanity many believe them to be. I think the constant denigration of the “Left Coast,” and by association, adjacent regions, is an indirect form of self-praise indulged in by many who do not live in these beautiful, mountainous places.

  81. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lucretius

    And man has put himself , and the State , in the place of God .

  82. TWS says:
    @M Krauthammar

    Trying on a new dog suit Duck?

  83. eah says:

    If by ‘break apart’ you mean some kind of dissolution, ie into separate states, then my answer is NO — I’m not willing to give up even one square inch.

  84. @Biff

    I discussed the likelihood of civil war in this country with a friend and she asked, “Do I need to fear my neighbor shooting me?” I replied, “Yes.”

    I can see more terrorism, assassinations, violent demonstrations and riots.

  85. @Anonymous

    They have been working long and hard to make Christianity disappear. Even Christian leaders in cowering to state governments and secular establishments play down exactly why the Jewish and Roman establishments of Jesus’s day had to get rid of him. He was challenging and was a threat to the backward, tribal, me-first, exclusive temporalism of the Jewish Sanhedrin and to the false, brutal, pagan universalism of Rome. The same foes to truth and justice remain today but in different shapes and under different names. The US establishment has adopted all of the brutality and pragmatism of Rome but is run by the Jewish Sanhedrin cabal of the Rothschild’s. As for Christianity today we have nothing but cow-towing, sycophant, leadership and followers who cannot even challenge the establishment to condemn our unjust wars and the increasingly secular and totalitarian control of our lives by the pagan government and the media.

    • Replies: @Rich
  86. eah says:
    @Icy Blast

    Dear Lord, this red/blue thing is silly.

    It shows the allocation of electoral college votes, which determines who wins presidential elections (what is “silly” about that?); for that purpose it’s fine — people who read more into it than that are “silly” — anyone who looks at the results of individual state reporting districts, eg counties, can see that, in any particular state, the picture is more complicated.

    Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, and Washington State are not “blue.” They are dominated politically by a few urban counties.

    Oregon and Washington are blue (as is Colorado); see above — but you are correct in that eg the eastern parts of both OR and WA are (electorally) red (I have noted it here as well) — as you say, the electoral college result in both states is heavily influenced by densely populated urban areas in the western parts of both states: around Portland (and Eugene) in OR, and Seattle/Tacoma in WA.

  87. Hrw-500 says:
    @M Krauthammar

    Yeah, Mubage chased all the white farmers from Zimbabwe but he wanted them back.

    Hopefully, all whites commit suicide….

    Does that include Jews? They look white and you might be triggered to know who Latinos, Blacks, East Asians, Indians and Muslims will blame when there’s no white people to blame anymore.
    I link that blog post from archived copies.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190503091110/https://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2016/11/a-world-without-white-people.html
    http://archive.fo/t5JzV

    Meanwhile, some couldn’t resist to do some memes about mixing race and

    Even if all whites dissapear, they’ll still be some white DNA ancestry remaining much to the chagrin of SJWs like that woman.

    One commenter on Youtuber got it right on target. http://archive.fo/KyS5X#selection-2181.0-2181.570

    And skip to 2.56, when a white nationalist discover he have black ancestry and use it to his advantage.

    • Replies: @Realist
  88. Agent76 says:

    “The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism.” George Washington

    July 7, 2011 The Founding Fathers Tried to Warn Us About the Threat From a Two-Party System

    Polls show that a majority of Americans say that both the Republicans and Democrats are doing such a poor job representing the people that a new, third party is needed.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/the-founding-fathers-tried-to-warn-us-about-the-threat-from-a-two-party-system.html

    Dec 11, 2012 Is America Too Big? Is America too big for democracy? Too big for its traditional republican form? What does it mean if the answer is yes?

    This video series proposes that the source of our biggest social and political problems is our SIZE.

  89. dfordoom says: • Website

    Either there must be some large mass conversion of one side or the other (a ‘Road to Damascus’ conversion?), probably occasioned by some immense and earth-shaking event, war, depression, disaster;

    The large mass conversion is already happening. Most people have already accepted most of the Social Justice agenda. There’s a minority who still oppose it but they’re slowly dying off. Each new generation is slightly more Woke, and much more thoroughly indoctrinated than the previous one. Slowly but surely the number of people who oppose the SJWs is declining.

    Most younger people are so thoroughly marinated in identity politics and Social Justice that they cannot even conceive of the idea of an alternative to the current orthodoxy.

    There’s no need for cataclysmic events. All you need is for the schools and the media to keep on doing what they’re doing now.

  90. Politics of division, all by design my friends.

    “The difference between a stable society and an unstable one is that the restraints in an unstable one are external. In a stable society government ultimately becomes unnecessary; the restraints on people’s actions are internal, they’re self-disciplined…”
    — Carroll Quigley

    • Replies: @Anon
  91. @M Krauthammar

    Oh look, Tiny Duck is posting with a new handle.

  92. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jacques Sheete

    I don’t think it’s white people per se that they want to disappear

    They certainly don’t want white billionaires to disappear. The anti-white thing is not directed at rich whites. It’s mostly directed at poor whites, working class whites and rural whites.

    It’s almost as if the whole thing is just class hatred dressed up as a racial thing, because the rich who run the country do not want people to think about class.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
  93. Realist says:

    Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon, and Washington State are not “blue.” They are dominated politically by a few urban counties.

    Those few urban counties you mention constitute the majority population.

    Lastly, few Americans seem to know the geography of their own country. Wyoming, for example, is the leading coal-producing state by a very wide margin. And the states I named produce huge quantities of food. So there’s that.

    The states you named don’t hold a candle to the states I named in sustaining food production.
    Yes, California produces a large amount of food….it is after all the Land of Fruits and Nuts. For basic food needs the Midwest is number one.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  94. The scalpel says: • Website
    @bamalamadingdong

    “4 star level”

    By that, I assume you meant that your high school teacher gave you 4 stars on your research paper on that topic

  95. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    You are right , but in order to have a disciplined population you need religion . Even Napoleon said that to keep order in society just one priest was more useful than 20 policemen .

  96. Icy Blast says:
    @eah

    I don’t consider the founding of the U.S.A. to have been an Act of God. I consider the U.S.A. to be the work of human beings. The Founding Fathers of our great nation were Freemasons. This is reflected in the language of The Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution.

    It logically follows that I don’t consider the current number of, and the boundaries of, the states to be a sacred scheme. This also is the work of fallible, flawed human beings.

    Given the demographic changes underway in Texas, 2020 may be the last time a Republican wins the presidency. Just thought you should know. Perhaps this inevitability pleases you. I don’t know. I’m not a mind-reader like our Neoconservative betters in D.C. and New York City, who can predict who will grow up to be a terrorist and who won’t.

    I agree with Tucker Carlson’s recent guest, a radio guy named Plante, who said, and I paraphrase, “The New York City-Washington D.C. axis has been a disaster, not only for Americans, but for freedom-loving peoples everywhere.” Tucker agreed with this statement. You can easily find this exchange, which I believe took place Thursday or Friday, on YouTube.

    In one of your many wonderfully authoritative posts, you wrote: “If by ‘break apart’ you mean some kind of dissolution, i.e. into separate states, then my answer is NO – I’m not willing to give up even one square inch.”

    Strangely enough, you may not have the final say in the matter.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @eah
    , @RadicalCenter
    , @eah
  97. aandrews says:
    @peterAUS

    “Interesting. 4 Star I mean. Really?…”

    Maybe he means Logistics overseen by a 4-star general.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  98. Realist says:
    @Hrw-500

    After watching the video I felt like crying because of the miscegenation that produced this god damn dumbass.

    • Replies: @Malla
  99. Durruti says:

    The Challenge for Americans is to –

    The time has come; the moment has arrived for us to discuss not only what is wrong with the country, but how we actually might resolve the issues that confront us. And just perhaps the answer is not a new and necessarily-controlled or imposed faux-nationalism, but some sort of national separation, hopefully peaceful, that might be the least disagreeable course. The other options, all of them, bring violence, civil war, and probably dictatorship. And that is something we must hope to avoid.

    We might try:

    1. Love America and free it, fix it, restore its Republic & through the Republic, our Liberty;

    or

    2. Bash it and its citizens over the head

    This article by Cathey is the fruit of the Zionist physical and intellectual destruction of the United States. It suggests that America “Break Apart.”

    It is difficult to read such a piece of Zionist Trash, after a series of excellent articles that have increasingly been posted on this website.

    3. Cathey fails to mention -JUST WHO CONTROLS AMERICA (and its Government). References to the Elephant are few and weakly placed.

    How can one discuss the state of America, without a mention of the Coup D’état of November 22, 1963 (with the assassination of our Last Constitutional President, John Fitzgerald Kennedy) , or the subsequent horror of 9/11, attack on the navy ship Liberty, or the requirement that all elected officials in the USA, including Mayors & Governors travel to Zionist Mordor and swear allegiance to their Rothschild & company masters (as they genuflect, Yarmulka on head, at the Wailing (Roman) Wall? Many, as Booker just did, make the trip before they are elected. [I assume this is a requirement for American Politicians who wish to be elected to the positions of Traitor Minions – I may be corrected on this]

    To discuss the state of any Nation, requires a foundation of History.

    NO Cathey, America must not break apart. We are one Nation under God, with Liberty & Justice for All.

    As a Sovereign Nation, we must control our own Education, our own Honor, our own Economy, our own History, our own Borders, our own Military. Talk about breaking our nation apart, NO ONE has the right to have Dual Citizenship. Choose your place, and go there (apologies to the Palestinians).

    For God sakes,

    1. Love our country.

    2. Fix its economy, education, politics. Restore its Liberty!

    3 Restore our Democratic Republic (it was never perfect, but John F. Kennedy, and his Cabinet and the Senate & House & Supreme Court were functional (until November 22, 1963), and mostly Ours. We also had Industry & usefull employment – where we manufactured things people needed.

    4. We must go back in order to advance.

    5. No surrender from our Brother & Sister Citizens. We take our stand & FIX (no trashing, no breaking up).

    Summation:

    What an awful hateful Treasonous article!!!

    Our Founders must be understood (in the context of their times). They were born in an era of increasing optimism & econ0mic development. They were an impressive bunch, easily as good or better than any other nation’s Founders.

    God Bless America!

    Durruti defended his Republic. He did not get confused or look for the cowards’ way out (denigrate/trash it, & then there is no reason to DEFEND it). Just write crappy articles and run down the street.

    Durruti alias Peter J. Antonsen

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, renfro
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  100. Wally says:
    @eah

    Here you go.

    • Replies: @eah
  101. aandrews says:
    @yes to smithereens

    Is there a published account of Kennan’s remarks (i.e., link).

  102. @yes to smithereens

    Unless he strenuously opposed settling tens of thousands of culturally incompatible Somalis in Maine, among other things, he has little credibility to worry about New England’s culture.

    I always loved New England culture and people, too, even though I never wanted to live there (except maybe NH) and enjoy making fun of their accent 😉

    I loved, respected, and enjoyed all our regional cultures and accents, all different variations on the white European Western culture in the new world. Kennan and anyone else who claims to want to preserve our regional and State cultures, should fight like Hell to stop swamping all of us, with tens of millions of lower-quality immigrants, into an increasingly homogenous culture populated by identical fat, waddling, tattoed, constantly cursing “Latinos” and gutter whites who mix with them and with Africans.

    • Replies: @95Theses
  103. @Realist

    Having more than doubled its population in just a few decades to FORTY MILLION — mostly with illegal and “legal” immigrants from Mexico, Latin America, and everywhere else OTHER THAN our ancestral homes in Europe and Britain — California is chronically short of water.

    Due to this environment-destroying aquifer-depleting overpopulation, Californias not far from becoming unable to ever again sustain this level of agricultural output while also having water for people to drink and shower with.

    So the Midwestern States will loom even larger in supplying the needed food as California production declines, eventually precipitously. This State will become unliveable literally — not just “unliveable” as a term we use to vent about the alien unfriendly ignorant culture, the high taxes, the ridiculous housing costs, the intolerant and belligerent anti-white anti-traditional-religion anti-family culture, the restrictions on our rights to use firearms in defense of home, family, and self.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  104. @Icy Blast

    Great comment. I grew up in Arizona, and now live in the Missouri Ozarks. Arizona has 2 large cities. Missouri maybe 3, sorta. They are the only true blue areas in either state. Cities are always inherently more left then the countryside. Both states rural and small towns with few exceptions are to various degrees conservative. The blue capitols control over the rest of the states, is rather loose. My own opinion is this is going to shake out in some way we dont really know yet. I just think different areas of the country are going to slowly pull apart, but not by war or much violence. Different areas will just stop paying attention to what the capitol wants, and do their own thing. Both sides will agree to disagree and go their own way. You will get areas with deep blue, where most of the p[population lives, and everywhere else that is not will become redder. Eventually 100, or more years in the future, you will have defacto countries. Also, blue areas dont have children, red state areas do. I saw a calculation one time that said if the Amish keep reproducing at the rate they are now, doubling in number every twenty years, in 200 years there could be 200 million or more Amish. This wont happen, but the points made. You dont inherit the future if you dont have children, At least this my theory what could actually happen.

    • LOL: eah
  105. @Anon

    Assuming the clergy are relatively normal, emotionally mature, well-rounded MEN — with wives and children — who can relate to and credibly advise and guide the congregants, then yes.

    This would disqualify the Roman Catholic Church — in its current incarnation, at the very least.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  106. eah says:
    @Icy Blast

    A lot of mostly incomprehensible blah blah — really not one word about the essence of what I wrote, ie that re the electoral college in presidential elections, there is nothing “silly” about the blue state/red state model — sheesh.

    Just thought you should know.

    Man, I’m aware of demographic trends in the US, including TX — I saw it firsthand in CA, which was still more than 80% white when my parents moved there.

    Perhaps this inevitability pleases you.

    No it doesn’t — if you want proof, click on my moniker and browse my comment history here at unz.com — I’m a diehard White Nationalist, which is one reason I said “NO” to ‘breaking apart’.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
  107. Republic says:

    America in 2019 faces three possibilities for its future:
    (1) Either there must be some large mass conversion of one side or the other (a ‘Road to Damascus’ conversion?), probably occasioned by some immense and earth-shaking event, war, depression, disaster; or (2) there must be a separation into independent jurisdictions of large portions of what is presently geographically the United States, including possible massive population exchanges—this separation/secession could be peaceable, although increasingly I think it would not be; or lastly, and worst, (3) the devolution of this country would continue into open and vicious civil and guerrilla war, followed by a harsh dictatorship. Disorder always abhors a vacuum, and that vacuum will be filled one way or another.

    Countries do not break apart except in extraordinary circumstances ,such as a
    military defeat in a war or as a result of some extreme economic or natural catastrophe

    There is a lot of talk about breaking up the country along ideological lines.
    But such a scenario is highly unlikely .

    Look as such recent feeble attempts by groups such as the occupation of
    The Malheur Wildlife refuge in Oregon which resulted in the federal
    Killing in cold blood of one of its leaders, Robert Lavoy Finicum , or the killings in
    Waco and Ruby Ridge.

    The government will ruthlessly suppress all such attempts.

    However, governments always over react to all such rebellions,
    So a future, Waco or Ruby Ridge incident will cause a much greater reaction
    By the victims.

    Who knows maybe there is a future fanatical John Brown waiting for the
    Opportune movement to plunge the country into a civil war.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  108. @Icy Blast

    Agree wholeheartedly, Icy. We can’t “let the perfect be the enemy of the good”, as the Romans used to say.

    We have to be realistic and acknowledge that we lack the population and cohesion to restore all of the USA to our common language, our traditional white European heavily-Christian-influenced Western culture, our mores and values, our conception of family life, neighborliness, standards of cleanliness and public hyygiene, and the decorum and self-restraint needed especially in the public square, our conception of the rule of law and individual rights/responsibilities.

    Should we squander many lives fighting futilely to reclaim coastal or urban California or New York City? Or should we focus on maximizing our chance of reclaiming and restoring places that are demographically and culturally more hopeful?

  109. The conservative’s (and Republican’s) failing is their love and fetishization of corporate America. Corporations are not people (even though our court system treats them as corporate persons). Corporations have no soul. The collapse in America is not do to some great divide. Fairer to say corporate America has driven the so-called divide because it is good for profits. Out sourcing jobs is good for corporate profit. Opening the workforce to women was great for corporate profit because it doubled the labor pool and bid down real wages. Wages have been stagnant since women were invited to the work force in the 1970s. Unfettered immigration bids down wages. The corporate goal is to drive down American wages to a global minimum. “Crime” begets a prison industry which in turn begets more crime. Pushing the LGBTQ agenda creates new product and market opportunities. The modern music, sports, and film industry are all about market opportunities. The “woke” media is just a big marketing enterprise. We don’t have real news reporting anymore. Read a big city newspaper. Where were the fires yesterday? Where was the crime? What went on at the suburban city council meetings? At the school board? Unless its a single dramatic event it escapes news reporting. Media is all about he big story that can drive sales (of their product). The culture war is a marketing war. Pious hard working church going family Americans are poor marketing targets. Things will not change until conservatives recognize the real enemy is the corporation.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  110. aandrews says:
    @Biff

    Mine, too. Secession will never be possible or allowed, and mass conversion is ridiculous. Open, vicious guerrilla war is already taking place.

    DC Tourist Savagely Beaten, Stomped, Spit on by Gang of Youths at Hilton Hotel Where Reagan Was Shot

    • Replies: @aandrews
  111. @anon

    The only problem with war is that (((They))) will co-opt both sides and find ways to drain each other…
    History will repeat itself.

  112. eah says:
    @Wally

    Yes, exactly, thanks — of course I’ve seen this map before — note that there are more than a few states where Trump either 1) won every reporting district (usually a county), or 2) won all but a small handful, and often those were clustered around major urban areas (or areas with an especially heavy concentration of non-whites) — in many otherwise lightly populated states, these densely populated urban areas simply have an outsized influence on the red/blue electoral college result from that state.

  113. @RadicalCenter

    Whites are already fleeing California. Ultimately, this means it will go the way of Detroit. No tax base, corrupt police, incompetent local governing, crime, squalor…

    Whites don’t have to fight.

    They flight.

    And then they win by default.

    If you see a piece of dog excretion you don’t fight it on the sidewalk. You walk around it. Because it is dirty, smells bad and carries diseases.

    When whites feel that way about something and move away from it, then it dries up and blows away.

    Like California.

  114. @follyofwar

    Re: the Electoral College, one benefit to the right of going to a popular vote would be that in would strengthen third parties. As it is now, the winner-takes-all aspect of the Electoral College makes it impossible to make a dent in the two-party system. In most countries with a popular vote, if no candidate reaches 50% they move to a runoff between the top-2 candidates. This means they have to pander to the candidates that finished 3rd and lower in order to pick up they’re voters in the 2nd round. This results in 3rd parties getting more of a say for their platforms, and in some cases even power-sharing arrangements.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  115. @Jacques Sheete

    Pretty true. This was a rather disappointingly uninformed elegiac from the usually lucid Dr. Cathey.

    Besides which, this whole idea is preposterous.

    America is not going to break apart, especially not now and not because of something so trivial as the long-term fallout from the culture wars, which is what Boyd is actually discussing. The Left, for one thing, doesn’t even want to leave. Leftism, especially of the social justice variety, is a parasite. It has no chance of building functioning, self-sustaining states on its own terms. It exists only to suck the blood out of others. That is not an effect of its strange ideology, it is the CAUSE of its ideology. The sooner the Right understands this, the better. The parasitism, the failure, the morbidity of soul, the extraneous and useless masses of humanity—this all came first. The ideology came later, of necessity. It’s not as if these Leftist beliefs are just floating around out there waiting to seize and corrupt people. Anybody who crafts or embraces such beliefs is already a diseased specimen. The beliefs are there to justify their failed existence.

    Once you understand this, you’ll understand why geographic separation is never a solution even in principle. The same problems will reappear wherever there are human beings. The only “solutions” are the periodic cullings of depression and war.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
  116. @Durruti

    So you’re going to die, and have many of our sons die, trying to reclaim Los Angeles or New York City or Miami? All while calling people “”cowards” who don’t want to waste those lives to no effect whatsoever. Brilliant plan.

    Then those men will not be available in the regions or States where we actually have a chance of preserving or restoring our rights and our culture (and, of course, our control over government, military, land and resources).

    Tell us how you plan to physically re-take Southern California and eliminate (by combat, deportation, or otherwise) fifteen million non-Europeans (out of a regional population of 20-plus million). Many, many, many do not speak English well and/or rarely use English during their daily life and don’t much try to learn it, many not well assimilated, most not particularly loyal to the USA or its historic core population and culture, generally on a spectrum from indifferent to hostile — who refuse to leave.

    • Replies: @Durruti
    , @Bruno Chapski
  117. @Republic

    According to Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics, China will become the world’s premier economic power in 2032. He also predicts civil war in the mid-2020s and a new form of government in 2032.

    The Pentagon warns that the US will lose a war with either Russia or China. An economic collapse or war loss might trigger a breakup of the US.

  118. @eah

    We should be breaking numerous States into smaller, less politically and culturally divided, more racially and ideologically unified, potentially more responsive and manageable units.

    East Washington, East Oregon, North California, East California, Illinois minus Cook County, New York State minus NYC, and so forth.

    Of course, that would mean nothing if aliens (and American Fifth Columnists) can move from California or New York or their ilk to the less-alien States. That is, if the federal government continues letting in a flood of legal and illegal aliens who eventually are “free” to settle wherever they want, and the new, somewhat less alien States are not allowed to restrict entry and settlement of people from other States.

    Every State needs the right and authority to prohibit entry and certainly residence of anyone who is not verifiably a U.S. Citizen.

    And “The Courts” would have to actually re-discover — read and enforce — the Tenth Amendment. They’ve been unable or unwilling to do this with the rest of the Constitution, but the Tenth Amendment fully enforced, would be a big part of the answer to our divisions.

    The Tenth Amendment leaves almost everything to the States, not the feds, except the few functions that must be done nationally: foreign policy, national currency and monetary policy, federal courts (with much constrained jurisdiction), reducing and protecting people from poisons in the air and water (pollution), national parks and monuments, and not much more. Let the new rump California and new rump NYC go even farther left politically and socially, but let the new States go in the other direction to the extent that they wish.

    These are farfetched and nowhere close to happening. But this scenario seems vastly preferable to violence and forcing people to live under the rule of alien people who can’t agree on fundamental things about how to order society, how to define and protect individual liberty, how to support and encourage stable families.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  119. it doesn’t matter what we want..we don’t control america…yeah, a breakup would be fantastic…and i wish i had 10 dancing girls and a million dollars…guess what? that aint gonna happen…
    the only hope we have now is that our elites start a war with russia or china and that russia or china then nuke washington dc

  120. 1)The Iranian Hostage Crisis, Oct 1979…

    2)You voted for, and elected R0nald Reagan POTUS NOV 1980

    3)Ronald Reagan increased the scale of Iranian LEGAL IMMIGRANTS in California

    4)In 2019, over one million Iranian “Americans” in California

    5)since Oct 1979, California’s Iranian “American” Population voted Native Born White Americans into a White Racial Minority within the borders of California…

    6)Beyong Nov 3 2020….California secedes and becomes an independent Sovereign Nation

    7)As a consequence of 1-7….Millions of Iranians living in Iran…have a greater claim on California than the HISTORIC NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS HISTORIC MAJORITY…..And the Iranian “American” population of the Nation of California….will use force and violence against you….if you try and take California back……..to enforce their claim on California……..You voted for Hollywood Homosexual Pederast Ronald Reagan….How fucking dumb can you get?

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  121. eah says:
    @Icy Blast

    authoritative

    It wasn’t “authoritative” — get a dictionary or a thesaurus or maybe both — in one sense it wasn’t “authoritative” because you are right: I personally have little to no ‘authority’ (“you may not have the final say in the matter”) — the hope, my hope, is that more white men will see the risk, even danger, of becoming a minority in America — how we can act upon this realization is another matter; but if enough white men can come together and act together, then we can indeed have the “final say” — or try to; that’s what the “NO” is about — but the first step is for more Whites to realize what is going on, and how bad it is for Whites as a demographic group.

    In that sense you may be a lost cause (or maybe you aren’t white).

    You are obviously rather thin-skinned since you couldn’t even handle me calling out your bullshit about the red/blue electoral college model being “silly” — it’s not “silly”, it’s just a simple model of the electoral college that reflects the current system of two dominant parties (for how quickly that could change, look at the AfD in Germany).

  122. We Old Farts sure left a mess for our kids and grandkids, didn’t we?
    “The destruction of the ‘American Way’ accelerated under my watch – and yours, if you’re anywhere my age – so let’s fess up – we were part of the problem. How so? We let a bunch of ‘developmentally arrested’ adolescent know nothings take over the entire culture and country – every institution you can name is run by so-called liberals (fascists is a better word). It took them over 100 years, but let’s face it – they are in charge and they are not bashful about telling us that they are.” – quote from my website.
    Most of my OF friends are still blaming DaLeft – like blaming termites for being termites – unable to see our culpability and/or totally rejecting any responsibility for DaFreakingMess.
    So what to do?
    Well, 4 years ago, this OF dun’ seen DaLight and started – http://www.crushlimbraw.com – along with a library which is now approaching 5000 items for mentors.
    Purpose? It is a small attempt to stop the bleeding and start a counter movement – a remnant, if you will – that might survive the impending onslaught.
    I know I am not alone – just as Elijah was reminded – and with and by the grace of God, we’ll git-er-done!
    The fields are ripe, but the workers are few!

  123. @Anon

    I would substitute morals for religion in your statement. Religion is just another form of mind control, with a Priest being one more entity people give the authority to rule over them.

  124. @RadicalCenter

    That’s one of the issues that I have with the Roman Catholic Church. It’s a classic ivory tower institution disconnected from the realities of life. One church that seems to get it is the Mormon. The church Bishops (equivalent of a minister) are married men with wives, kids and jobs. They even allow abortion in rare cases (life, health, rape, incest or severe fetal deformity), unlike the Catholic Church which would rather see a woman dead.

    I’m not a Mormon, but have Mormon friends.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  125. aandrews says:
    @aandrews

    And not to miss an opportunity to link to the Daily Stormer…

    Remembering the Hi-Fi Murders of 1974

    Andrew Anglin
    Daily Stormer
    July 27, 2019

    It’s 2019, and we have a lot of problems with the blacks.

    Forty-five years ago, we also had a lot of problems with the blacks.

    The Hi-Fi murders of 1974 are one of the many, many events involving a problem with the blacks that has been buried in our national mind.

    Instead of remembering this as a brutal event where innocents died as a result of the insane experiment of racial integration, our society has taken to remembering this as a case of injustice against blacks.

    I think these victims deserve to be remembered.

    […]

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  126. Since Progressive America hate Heritage America (ie, White) with a flaming passion, you would think they would be delighted for Heritage America to break away. Hooray: no more White people. But you’d be dead wrong: Heritage America is the host that the Progressive parasites feed on. Progressive America would die without Heritage America and they know it. That makes their fury all the greater.

  127. @Jake

    Christianity was, and is, a fundamental causative factor in white decline. Christianity, both in its ethics and metaphysics, is insane. Christianity IS the problem for whites.

    • Agree: aandrews, Justvisiting
    • Replies: @Jake
  128. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “We have to be realistic and acknowledge that we lack the population and cohesion to restore all of the USA to our common language, our traditional white European heavily-Christian-influenced Western culture, our mores and values, our conception of family life, neighborliness, standards of cleanliness and public hyygiene, and the decorum and self-restraint needed especially in the public square, our conception of the rule of law and individual rights/responsibilities.”

    It’s not about “our” or “you”, it is about “u.s.”, which incorporates different races, ethnic groups, and culture. It’s who we are.

    “We should be breaking numerous States into smaller, less politically and culturally divided, more racially and ideologically unified, potentially more responsive and manageable units.”

    You mean YOU are of the opinion that this action should take place.

    “Of course, that would mean nothing if aliens (and American Fifth Columnists) can move from California or New York or their ilk to the less-alien States. That is, if the federal government continues letting in a flood of legal and illegal aliens who eventually are “free” to settle wherever they want, and the new, somewhat less alien States are not allowed to restrict entry and settlement of people from other States.”

    Remember, WASPs believed that Eastern and Souther Europeans were of the same vein. So how did these groups suddenly become “one of yours”. Magic dirt?

    “Every State needs the right and authority to prohibit entry and certainly residence of anyone who is not verifiably a U.S. Citizen.”

    Immigration is a federal matter. Work toward changing the Constitution.

    “They’ve been unable or unwilling to do this with the rest of the Constitution, but the Tenth Amendment fully enforced, would be a big part of the answer to our divisions.”

    Not exactly.

    “These are farfetched and nowhere close to happening”.

    Indeed.

    “But this scenario seems vastly preferable to violence…”

    I would prefer an all out donnybrook. It would settle matters.

    “and forcing people to live under the rule of alien people who can’t agree on fundamental things about how to order society, how to define and protect individual liberty, how to support and encourage stable families.”

    Interesting you make this comment. Imagine how the stout English, Scots, Scots-Irish, and Welsh felt when the nation they helped create–the United States of America–became overrun by first the Irish and Germans (drunks and Catholics), and later on the Italians (swarthy Catholics with a mafia mean streak) and Poles (dullard Catholics). Between 1880 and 1930, the foreign-born population represented between 12 and 15 percent of the total population. We are talking about flipping a nation that was predominately Anglo-Saxon to one that now contained a heavy Eastern and Southern European influence, altering a country to the point that it became unrecognizable. It’s not about “whiteness” or “being European”, but it was about “remaining Anglo-Saxon”!

    Novelist John Dos Passos, a freaking halfbreed! (Portuguese and English), characterized the period well–“The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it… After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”

    Did not our Founding Fathers, most notably Benjamin Franklin, warn u.s. about future invaders…

    “They [the Germans] weren’t as smart as the people already living in the colonies. Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation…Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it.”

    and endangering New England’s whiteness…

    “[T]he Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted.”

    This is not who we are. A number of groups have to go back.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Poco
    , @anon
    , @Poco
  129. Cleburne says:
    @Icy Blast

    I think you are forgetting a few important things about the South, starting with the oil and gas and chemicals industries along the Gulf Coast. Far as your point about crime: true about diversified urban areas, not the rural bits. Also, we grow more that soybeans and corn for ethanol down here.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
  130. Shadow says:

    One thing to consider in the event of a civil war is which foreign countries would support which groups. As some of you may realize, the vultures would descend to pick the carcass clean and bleach our bones. So there is that.

  131. Durruti says:
    @RadicalCenter

    RadicalCenter

    So you’re going to die, and have many of our sons die, trying to reclaim Los Angeles or New York City or Miami?

    Whoa Nelly!!!

    Last I heard, LA, NYC, & Miami remained cities within the United States. No need to reclaim them.

    Latin American culture is not either “indifferent, to hostile” (assume you mean towards our American Culture/s).

    Was a student in Mexico, have European Family (Belgian Father), grew up within 10 minute bicycle ride to view the Statue of Liberty.

    Pay Attention:

    The United States has already been conquered, and by Jewish Banking Oligarchs, who utilize an American Taxpayer financed entity as their political, & military, base. Have you been sleeping? or do you support the Zionist Financial Oligarchs?

    My sons might have to risk everything to restore our Republic, destroyed in a hail of gunfire, along with our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy, on November 22, 1963. Unz has a good article on this. Will your sons join mine? Perhaps you and I should go first.

    Wait! If I’m going to die, maybe I should not be so Patriotic. On second thought; disregard what I wrote. I will vote for a Democrap, or Republant, hate anyone who speaks another language other than English (of course, Hebrew & Yiddish is OK), ignore the history of American imperialism (including the American assassination of Zapata & Villa – and their wrecking of the Mexican People’s attempts to move forward to a properly functioning AND SOVEREIGN Republic.

    We Americans may resolve our problems and advance only by Defending our EXISTENCE. Then we may clean up our own act, and repair the damage we have inflicted on other nations (Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Vietnam… (my mistake-I should have started a shorter list of Nations our Government has not abused).

    The United States of America is one Nation, and upon the restoration of our Republic will advance forward in Prosperity, in Honor, & in Liberty. The destruction of America, and the advancement of spurious racial dichotomies, will bring ruin to us all.

    Restore the Republic!

    Durruti

  132. GMC says:

    I took a job as a senior construction superintendent in Florida. I took night school for spanish in Naples. The white Florida workers on the job, asked me why I’m talking to those guys that are foreigners from the South. I thought about it , and the latinos guys were next to me. Since i was the Boss – I said they came to take back their lands and that their children already speak 2 languages and are starting on their third language in HS.LOL I said that – laughingly but to the point. And since your children refuse to speak only English – who’s going to be running Florida in 20 to 30 years? I didn’t count on all the Jews in Florida nor yes men like Marco Rubio — tho. Acclimate, plan for a difficult future, or move out.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  133. @Malla

    “Breaking up is [not] hard to do”. Virginia and West Virginia did it. Czech and Slovakia did it. The Balkans did it. India and Pakistan did it. Panama and Columbia did it. Quebec should have been dismissed long ago when they clamored to be independent from the rest of Canada. Scotland is devolving into complete independence.

    Contrary to shallow thinking, neither broad brush pronouncements of “Capitalism” or “Democracy” are dysfunction or pathological. A barter economy, medieval farmers and artisan markets, were pure capitalism. The Arab Bazaar is pure capitalism. The American frontier economy was pure capitalism.
    As a person who understands diesel engines and other prime movers, none of them function correctly without GOVERNORS, that which restricts excess and the forbidden.

    As for Democracy, it only works when qualified people are allowed to vote or given greater valence. One Man One Vote will never work. In Greece and in early America, only the cognitive uppers and competent stake holders were allowed to vote. In nomadic and aboriginal tribes, it is usually run by the elders, who vote amongst themselves.

    It should be obvious, that if American sequesters into White region(s) that have racial requirements, most ideally a fixed minimum of Indo-European percentage, and allowable residence of a maximum % of Asians and Hindus (carefully screened for allegiance and complete compatibility), then this new republic will outproduce the Other Third World Lightly Roasted in wealth creation. That will mean gradual reclamation of land, purchased to offset debt and disability, not to mention starvation.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @dfordoom
  134. KenH says:

    It’s time to close the curtain on America as we now it. We’ve essentially just become a Jewish colony at this point and most of the slobbering left wing and non-white political fanatics are inspired by Jewish doctrines and talking points anyway.

    The other sobering fact is that American whites will never be one people ever again. Up to 40% of whites have become such insane, self hating curs that I want no part of them and consider them as much or more of an enemy than the legions of non-whites now squatting on American soil.

    But a partition of this nation wouldn’t be good for Jews. After all, who would fight their wars and act as an enforcer if America splits into 3-4 nations? So this means they won’t let America go without a really bloody fight. The same goes for the corrupt white and non-white people who comprise the federal law enforcement agencies and bureaucracies. They are living high on the hog largely at our expense and don’t want the gravy train to end, so they can be enlisted to help save a malign government beyond saving and not worth saving.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  135. @Shadow

    One of the reasons for the Emancipation Proclamation was widespread abolitionist sentiment in the UK and France would prevent them from intervening on behalf of the Confederacy.

    There is the fifth-column element in the modern-day US, such as ethnic Chinese.

  136. Realist says:
    @Icy Blast

    Dear Lord, this red/blue thing is silly. If, in a national election, the Democrats win the state of Oregon 52% to 48%, this result does not make Oregon “blue.”

    The red/blue distinction is only useful when trying to determine the political philosophy of a state or region. It has nothing to do with how the country will be governed since the Deep State doesn’t care about the unimportant internecine squabbles of the ‘two parties’ as long as their important issues are maintained. As a matter of fact it strengthens the false perception that there is a choice when voting.

  137. Alfa158 says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I’ve asked this before in discussions.
    As far as I can tell, almost every new nation has to be born in bloodshed because the People In Charge won’t let you go without a fight. The only exception I can think of off the top of my head is when Czechoslovakia split peacefully into Czechia and Slovakia. The Soviet Union comes close because it initially splintered with little violence except from the KGB trying to overthrow Gorbachev. However since then there has been violence between the new countries as they try to adjust their borders so for that reason I’m not counting it as an example.
    I can’t come up with even one other example in history, so does anyone here know of any other besides Czechoslovakia?

  138. The National Review=The National Homosexual Pederast Review

  139. Jake says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    The right in England in 1635, the right in France in 1785, and the right in Russia in 1910 all were certain that if there were a civil war, they would win, rather easily.

    They all underestimated the power of insane hatred that comes from embracing rebellion against Christendom and mixing that with seeing oneself as the only hope for the poor.

  140. @KenH

    See my comment. A new Permanent Majority White republic must always have the prerogative to ban and revoke citizenship for those who are a counter force toward continuity and consonance. There are some, but few, nominal Jews that would fit, under certain circumstances and controls. But, most importantly, the main tenets, structure, beliefs, credos, norms, and various codex agreed upon in advance and enshrined as immutable.

    Here’s one: all women must have a minimum of 3 children before any professional advance may occur. And the predominant cultural mainstream should be one that raises the status of women that are mothers and natural in their femininity. The future is largely found in the past.

  141. Jake says:
    @Tom Rogers

    If that were true, the Middle Ages would be lauded by Jews as wonderful, and the decline of Christianity in the West would have meant the opposite of what has happened.

    The rebellion against Christendom began to win with the Reformation, and it came to own and control the West with the 19th century. It is no accident that the 20th century saw horrors descending upon the world, with that century closing with the post-Christian and anti-Christendom Elites of the West acting to see white peoples essentially exterminated in a sea of tens of millions of non-white immigrants.

    Either you are ignorant or you post for the ADL/SPLC/ Soros Open Borders Foundation.

  142. 95Theses says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Draw your own conclusions.

    Surely there is a lesson in this. The situation has been, or threatens to be, repeated in a number of the advanced countries. It is obviously easier, for the short run, to draw cheap labor from adjacent pools of poverty, such as North Africa or Central America, than to find it among one’s own people. And to the millions of such prospective immigrants from poverty to prosperity, there is, rightly or wrongly, no place that looks more attractive than the United States. Given its head, and subject to no restrictions, this pressure will find its termination only when the levels of overpopulation and poverty in the United States are equal to those of the countries from which these people are now anxious to escape.

    There will be those who will say, ‘Oh, it is our duty to receive as many as possible of these people and to share our prosperity with them, as we have so long been doing.’ But suppose there are limits to our capacity to absorb. Suppose the effect of such a policy is to create, in the end, conditions within this country no better than those of the places the masses of immigrants have left the same poverty, the same distress. What we shall then have accomplished is not to have appreciably improved conditions in the Third World (for even the maximum numbers we could conceivably take would be only a drop from the bucket of the planet’s overpopulation) but to make this country itself a part of the Third World (as certain parts of it already are), thus depriving the planet of one of the few great regions that might have continued, as it now does, to be helpful to much of the remainder of the world by its relatively high standard of civilization, by its quality as example, by its ability to shed insight on the problems of the others and to help them find their answers to their own problems.

    Actually, the inability of any society to resist immigration, the inability to find other solutions to the problem of employment at the lower, more physical, and menial levels of the economic process, is a serious weakness, and possibly even a fatal one, in any national society. The fully healthy society would find ways to meet those needs out of its own resources. The acceptance of this sort of dependence on labor imported from outside is, for the respective society, the evidence of a lack of will — in a sense, a lack of confidence in itself. And this acceptance, like the weakness of the Romans in allowing themselves to become dependent on the barbarians to fill the ranks of their own armies, can become, if not checked betimes, the beginning of the end.

    — George F. Kennan, Around the Cragged Hill, page 153

  143. In 2019…..Russia is CONSERVATIVE ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN!!!!

    In 2019…The National Review=CUCKSERVATIVE HOMOSEXUAL PEDERAST…….The Spawn of Bill Buckley….

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  144. nsa says:

    More likely than secession is the adding of new states to the Jewnited States of America. The three western provinces of Canada (BC, Alberta, Sask) plus the Northwest Territories are naturals, linking up the lower 48 states to Alaska and providing a much larger presence in the arctic space now dominated by Russia. Culturally and linguistically, there is little difference between a western Canadian and a pacific northwest American, and the main trading lines are north-south, not east-west, since the advent of the “free trade” agreement. Both watch and enjoy the same JooTV for their entertainment and information. Listen to Canadian radio…….it’s mainly the same JSA stuff as south of the border.. The looting of the vast natural resources of Western Canada would rejuvenate the debt ridden American economy for many decades.
    Secession from the Union is illegal, as the southern morons found out the hard way…..and the diversified military would love the opportunity to murder white people legally. However, states can legally divide though the chance of it happening are close to nil. Eastern Washington has been threatening to separate from Western Washington for the last 50 years. Northern California has been threatening to separate from Southern California for as long as can remember. Nothing ever comes of it as there is nothing in it for the jew. But there is plenty in it for the tribe if the natural resources of western Canada were sequestered and plundered.
    English speaking Canada is basically an American colony already, so taking the western provinces and arctic would require hardly any more effort than the invasion of Grenada. Half the Canadian population would welcome the invader, and the other half would be too busy watching hockey to notice.

  145. @c matt

    The Orange Fugazi was elected to stop this, or at least buy us more time. He is a total failure, no matter how “good” the economy is doing.

    In a multicultural shit-stew, “democracy” is a racial headcount.

    • Replies: @Baxter
  146. Two SF novels that describe a “balkanized” future North America are Robert Heinlein’s “Girl Friday” and Jim Hogan’s “Moonflower”. Balkanization of North America is an idea I’ve thought of over the years. I do think if it happens, it will be a part of larger global trend of breakup of large nation-states into more numerous smaller entities. Call it the thousand state world.

    I think a 1,000 state world could be better than we have now because government would be inherently more local and, thus, more accessible. The city-state would come back into vogue. Various forms fo social economic systems would exist in such a world. There would still be a significant amount of international trade and business. In fact, I expect more in a 1,000 state world than what we have now.

    Call it the cyberpunk or snowcrash scenario.

  147. @95Theses

    The solution was for America to remain Labor Self-Sufficient post-WW2….If America had remained labor self-sufficient, in 2019….America would still be 90 percent NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS…..with high wage labor markets………..But one day GE CEO JACK WELCH wrote this about the White Working Class:”CRUSH ‘EM LIKE A FUCKING GRAPE….BRING IN UNBOUNDED IN SCALE:NONWHITE SCAB LABOR….For I Jack Welch need a labor subsidy….”

    And as a direct consequence of this, HINDU-JAMAICAN POTUS KAMALA HARRIS’S highly RACIALIZED nonwhite Democratic Voting Bloc was LEGALLY IMPORTED since 1965……your gonna love POTUS KAMALA HARRIS’S viciously anti-White filthy street shitter Attorney General Preet Bharrara…

    On Nov 3 2020…HINDU RULE will announce itself to the Untouchable White Working Class….And you will be the Hindu “Americans” bitch…..and that includes your White son Tucker Carlson….

  148. If “the wealthiest, most powerful nation on ERF” can’t or won’t defend its citizens’ sovereignty and borders, it’s self-evident it’s time for a change.

    (If you’re a Little River Band fan, make that a Cool Change.)

  149. Defectives of Canada. I wonder if anyone asked this freak if he thought it would be okay if some one wanted his daughter to do this.

    Transgender woman testifies at human rights tribunal after being refused Brazilian wax.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/transgender-woman-testifies-at-human-rights-tribunal-after-being-refused-brazilian-wax/ar-AAEW2at?li=AAggFp5

  150. peterAUS says:
    @anon

    ….Just talking about it is good enough for now. Talk about it enough, and maybe something happens. People get convinced, disillusionment with the current order spreads, ground level organization starts, then a critical mass is reached and the dam breaks….

    Yes.

    I’d still like to hear a person at that (claimed… 4-star level…) level of expertise to provide some practical advice.

    …it’s a distraction – the piper leading his victims hypnotically to their doom. They are clearly trying to run out the clock until it is too late to do anything…

    ….After 2020, the democrats will control congress permanently and they are now the open borders party. That border is never getting closed. …

    ….It is OBVIOUS what that conference was about – gatekeeping by controlling the conversation…steering it back to the Conservatism Inc. grift of yesteryear…

    Yes.

    As for this:

    I and others will devote all our time and attention to ripping it apart, along with its Israeli backers and financiers.

    May I suggest something?
    Why don’t you try to devote your time in working on practical elements of secession?
    Say….having a discussion or two, to start with, about the topic, with somebody from senior levels of military and/or intelligence community. Retired, of course.
    Feels more productive. For me anyway.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  151. Rurik says:

    The question comes down to this: Is the fragile American experiment in republicanism begun in Philadelphia in 1787, which required a commonly-shared understanding of basic principles, now over, or at the very least is it entering its agonizing death throes?

    yes

    And (((they’re))) not going to allow white people to self-segregate into white enclaves of survival and sanity.

    If some tried, the first people to excoriate them would be the Republican cuckservatives.

    White people are not just slated for the trash heap of history, but they’re going to be subjected to humiliations enough to drive them insane, or to suicide, as is happening at epidemic levels.

    Here’s an unguarded reaction to this news, by a typical American ((politician)).

    The only hope is for white folks to begin to assert their own ‘identity politics’, and elect overtly pro-white men and women into office.

    If you think you’ve seen hysterical screeching over Donald Trump, wait until a guy like Paul Nehlen or Patrick Little gets elected to office.

    Then they’ll be pulling their hair out, and it will be a beautiful sight.

    Since it’s over, we should at least have some fun on the way out.

    Once the rot crumbles the entire stinking edifice down to the ground (like building seven ; ), and the ((dollar)) collapses, Russia will still be standing, and that will be the hub of a new and ascendant Western Civilization, built upon the ashes of Tel Aviv, and the American dystopian graveyard.

  152. Would redrawing the country accomplish anything.

    America has been in decline for many decades now. Certainly the decay is rapidly accelerating. The characteristics of this cratering I find most discouraging, has been the uninterrupted nature of the process. Putting it another way, the American people never win. Not one battle. It’s a relentless series of continuous, back to back losses.

    I’ll admit and I’m mildly ashamed to do so, that Trump’s election gave me some hope.

    There’s so much destruction and it’s not limited to certain regions that could be excluded from the new nation. The illegal immigration situation is absurd. Now we’ve got caravans of actual Africans, thousands, just walking across the border. We’ve got our own Africans and we don’t need more. The entirety of government, the media complex, academia and big, international business interest, the lies they feed us are just breathtaking. Formerly functional cities, like Detroit or Baltimore are hellscapes. The moral fabric of this nation is a disgrace. The President of the U.S. occupies his time trying to free a “rapper” from custody in Sweden. That strikes me as a scene that was deleted from Idiocracy, because it was just too dumb.

    The country is also under a bizarre and absolutely frightening level of Jewish/Israeli control. A few weeks ago, the governor of Florida signed a bill limiting the right of free speech in Florida. And he signed that bill in Israel. He flew to Israel to sign that bill in Israel. American soldiers have been dying and being maimed for 18 years now in the Middle East. The new head of the NSA just happens to be a Jewish woman. Appointed just days after the public begins to learn about Epstein and his likely Mosssad blackmail operation.

    I don’t know how any of this can be reversed.

  153. peterAUS says:
    @Gene Urtel

    Thoughtful comment.

    Plausible scenario. Feels….logical and organized.
    Organization–>party—>teritory—>secession.

    Still, not the only one.

    There are a couple of other, possible, scenarios. Some of them illogical and disorganized.
    Spark—>initial chaos—>initial organization—>initial teritory–>etc.
    Something like that.

    In any case, very good to see people thinking about the topic.
    Appreciated.

  154. Rich says:
    @Fred Baggins

    If the biblical story of Jesus is true, the Roman establishment wasn’t the least bit concerned about getting rid of him. The Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, even tried to get the people to agree to release Jesus. The Jewish leaders stacked the crowd, brought false charges and threatened trouble if the Romans didn’t execute him. Pilate threw them a bone to get them off his back.

    The Christian religion was favored by the Romans because it created a pacifist underclass that was taught to respect its rulers and turn the other cheek. Of course, a lot of that changed over the years as the religion was manipulated by different governments and leaders. Still, a religion that teaches its adherents to “pay unto Caesar”, “turn the other cheek”, “Obey the government rulers”, etc. isn’t a bad religion for an empire as diverse as Rome was, and as America is fast becoming. The “New Christianity” being created in America and the rest of the West, where homosexuality, transsexualism, divorce, abortion, open borders and whatever other insane ideas the American Protestants now accept, isn’t much of a religion, but the the left is pushing it as best it can.

  155. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    ” As for bloodshed and civil eat, ”

    What is “civil eat”?

    • Replies: @anon
  156. there must be some large mass conversion of one side or the other (a ‘Road to Damascus’ conversion?), probably occasioned by some immense and earth-shaking event, war, depression, disaster

    9/11 brought us here; 9/11 can take us back. Just as the Project for a New American Century said we needed a “New Pearl Harbor” to remake America as a police state and a permanent Israeli satellite, and then proceeded to create one; likewise, a full revelation of 9/11 truth will inevitably lead to dissolution with Israel and the neocons, and likely ropes on lampposts as well.

    Barbara Honegger’s “Behind The Smoke Curtain” shows us in three hours of excruciating detail how specifically the Pentagon attack could only have come from the PNAC and Israel. It’s overwhelmingly well-researched and irrefutable.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  157. peterAUS says:
    @aandrews

    Maybe he means Logistics overseen by a 4-star general.

    True.

    Still, at THAT level the person would be an officer of Lt Col level at least. Stretch it to very smart Major.
    Such types, IMHO, just don’t write like that, retired/old or not.

    O.K.
    It’s possible the poster was typing on his phablet while sitting in a busy cafe.

    In any case, such a person would REALLY be interesting to hear in all this..ahm…chatting around. Skimming/skipping is getting more tedious recently, and the ignore list… unwieldy.

  158. @Aryan transhumanist

    “When White people were a majority in the United States, the Jews took care to promote individualist/libertarian philosophy among us, so as to render our political activism on cultural matters entirely irrelevant.”

    That is an absurd statement. As for the rest of your comment, you really shouldn’t be huffing toluene before posting.

  159. @M Krauthammar

    Heidi Klum is a beauty? You’re delusional. Anyway, you’re white and probably as butt-ugly as Lisa Falkenburg. Skanky looking white women go after whoever can get over their looks, and most black men would screw a rosebush if they thought there was a snake hiding in it.

  160. @RoatanBill

    Agreed in general, but let me do some FIFYing for you, Bill:

    No one should be able to get a degree in an opinion such as law, psychiatry, human resources, economics, and a host of other supposed ‘professions’ that have little to no empirical evidence to back them up using taxpayer’s money

    Shut down all government-backed student loans for anything not in the STEM fields. Shut down any and all Federal/State funding for colleges that exist to preach opinions as facts and produce people incapable of reason.

    I don’t care what some young people want to study on their own or parents’ money. I just do not want to support any of this SJW crap. When the money stops, the stupidity stops… or slows way the hell down.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  161. @sally

    “There was no experiment in Philadelphia in 1787 it was a coup ”

    Exactly right, Sally. Boyd knows this as well. I was surprised to see that line in this article.

  162. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Mr. Cassidy, you are right that there is a lot of power arrayed against conservatives, aka, patriotic Americans. You make a lot of good points, especially with the inordinate respect for Authritah seen in police and military types. I reply to your replier, Jake, too, yes, the Russians (don’t know much history on the other 2 occasions), may have thought they could stop the Commies 100 years ago. When it comes to this part:

    And sorry, but gun-toting citizens versus the entire weight of the US military and police forces is no contest at all.

    I don’t agree. Even 1 % of Americans, meaning, say, 3 million white men who can shoot, could bring American life to a standstill and the US Feral Gov. to its knees… in a week. It’s a matter of when American conservatives will ever realize they are in a century-later version of Russia-1917, if not before it’s just too damn late. The way the ctrl-left has been pushing lately, they are alerting lots of people a bit too soon for their own good bad.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Justvisiting
  163. Friend says:
    @anon

    This is not a democracy, it’s a constitutional republic

  164. @Achmed E. Newman

    The underlying problem isn’t who pays for these things, although I agree gov’t shouldn’t be paying for any of it, but that these professions exist at all.

    Take Economics, for example. It is BS with nothing to back it up past the parts they absconded from common sense. Laws are different from one jurisdiction to the next, so they amount to opinions. Psychiatry was about to go the way of Phrenology when Big Pharma rescued it to push their mind altering drugs.

    These fraudulent ‘professions’ are a huge problem because they pretend to have knowledge in specific area when in fact all they have are opinions no better that the average person’s and yet they demand to be consulted because they claim expertise that doesn’t actually exist.

    We are being led by charlatans with PhD’s. That’s the real problem. How they paid for their bogus degrees is a much more minor issue.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  165. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @M Krauthammar

    You’re adorably ignorant, Laura. I really do hope you and your kind end up living in a place like Haiti or Anywhere, Africa. You deserve it.

  166. The vast majority of ‘People of Color’ haven’t got the brains God gave sheep.

    Their IQ is so pathetic that they prove regularly that they can’t run anything. Their low IQ also causes them to be much more violent than white people because when faced with a problem they don’t have the intellect to figure it out so they resort to violence.

    ‘People of Color’ should be grateful that white’s built the civilization they currently enjoy. They’d be dead in a few generations if the brain trust that white’s represent were to disappear. Want proof? Look at Africa.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  167. @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s a matter of when American conservatives will ever realize they are in a century-later version of Russia-1917

    Right, but the jewish left control the education system, and with it demographics and your children. Take the schools and unis back, it should be your primary goal, urgently.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  168. Bliss says:

    Boyd Cathey:

    Does it not seem like the country is coming apart at the seams, in just about everything, from its once-established moral base in a more or less historic Christian framework

    Fake history. The American Republic is an Enlightenment project, founded by liberals who were either Deists or Unitarians. The Christians of that time called the Founders “infidels” and the Constitution “a godless document”.

  169. There’s the 4th and most likely outcome: no separation, no civil war. The Dictatorship of Victims triumphs, America ends with a whimper not a bang. There’s no separation because there’s no political mechanism for doing so. No civil war because the American ethnos (European stock (English core), Christian (mostly Protestant), English-speaking) is terminally law-abiding and would have no idea how to mount an insurrection, much less an ability to carry it out. Any small outbursts will be dealt with brutally as an example to others (Charlottesville “justice”). Game over. Winter is coming.

    https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/the-dictatorship-of-victims-strikes-back/

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @renfro
  170. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    If , like you say , english and wasps consider ” swarthy ” other white europeans , no wonder that not only colored people consider racist the anglo-wasps , but explains that most of the europeans consider the conger faced english and wasps ridiculous racists too .

    Out of the 65 millions inhabitants in the UK in 2018, 13% plus , about 9 million , are asian inmigrants mainly indians , pakis and caribean blacks . Of the 56 million whites , 1 million are polacks and baltics , 500.000 rumanians , 300.000 germans , plus smaller numbers ot other ” swarthy ” european whites ….

  171. @Achmed E. Newman

    Unfortunately, .gov is just the most visible problem. Every large institution (corporation, non-profit, university, media, etc.) is a disaster as well.

    There is no battlefield left to fight on–which means that out-of-the-box thinking will be the only way out of the box.

    Destroying the village is _not_ going to save it.

    Folks here need to break out of their own Overton windows and start getting seriously creative.

    I have always had people tell me I am very smart, but I am totally clueless on this one.

    Fortunately there are some folks who are smarter than I am (and a lot younger than I am). It will be their burden to carry.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  172. sally says:
    @animalogic

    actually, your point is strong.. only .01% are interested, but wait until 5g becomes universal, and the people become mice in the oligarch cage and have to jump when told to jump. their behaviors recorded 24/7 and their thoughts controlled by the cage keepers.

    I have read that 5g is military weapon, that it is used to put people to sleep, to tame rioters and protesters, but it also works at frequencies of biological signalling. Oxygen: Oxygen binding in Heme in the hemoglobin and at the frequencies ( according Dr. Pall) that can interfere with Ca signaling, <=Calcium signalling affects and controls the cellular functions that involve your the repair of the cells that maintain your eye sight, at the frequencies that impact your hearing, and the operation of the values in your heart.

    I believe the government refused to require the medical studies be done the government gave its few their billions to put up towers and develop 5g software because the private party Oligarchs and their corporations asked the government not do medical studies because they 1) knew the outcome would prove 5g not only unhealthy but worse than nicotine and 2) because the Oligarchs and corporations wanted the masses to start arguing over the medical and dangerous aspects of 5g < so the Oligarchs and their corporations could install while the few that care carried on to demand medical impact first.

    The divide and conquer fight.. arguing it is safe versus no its not ..like guns or no guns, abortion no abortion are mere diversions, so while the arguments proceed, the privateers, will use the trillions in government money to install it.
    Remember 5g is an infra structure 10s of thousands of high frequency antennas are going to be needed
    Furthermore 5g is an infra structure it should be owned and operated by the government, not private corporations. The government is giving private corporations billions to install it..

    Folks I think everyone needs get out and stop 5g before it impacts our genetics. .

  173. @War for Blair Mountain

    You’re steppin’ on some God fearin’, flag wavin’, American exceptionalism toes. Lets not forget that little Iran Contra thing.

    I love it!!

  174. geokat62 says:
    @Jim Jatras

    No civil war because the American ethnos (European stock (English core), Christian (mostly Protestant), English-speaking) is terminally law-abiding and would have no idea how to mount an insurrection, much less an ability to carry it out.

    What about the American revolution (1765-1783) and the Civil War (1861-1865)?

    • Replies: @Jim Jatras
  175. @aandrews

    Zebra Killings perhaps?

    “In 1970s America, a gang of hate-filled fanatics in a vilely bigoted religious cult slaughtered their way through an unknown number of innocent victims who were chosen purely for the colour of their skin. But today the case is almost forgotten: there are no anniversaries, no memorials, no retrospective films and TV documentaries. Why? Because the hate-filled fanatics were black and the innocent victims white. Below are extracts from Clark Howard’s The Zebra Killings, a book that imaginatively reconstructs these scandalously under-reported crimes. The book’s lessons grow more urgent and important by the day, for the “Zebra killings” will be repeated on a much larger scale throughout America and Europe if we whites do not separate ourselves from the blacks and other non-whites who hate us and long to destroy us.”
    http://www.heretical.com/miscella/zebra.html

  176. @bamalamadingdong

    Given the present state of this nation, are there any other realistic possibilities?

    Boyd D. Cathy

    After working at the 4 Star level DOD strategic level in logistics and in Executive Level Disaster Task Forces I looked and analyzed all aspects of infrastructure not only in America but also globally.

    bam

    OK, there was such a study and you might be who you say you are. Let’s assume that, and go a bit outside the disaster drill.

    The emphasis on disaster probably comes from Copley’s _Uncivilization_, which was not a formal part of the program that I heard of. To use a bit of hyperbole here, in the interests of clarity, Copley points out that the cities have played Biggus Dickus with so much enthusiasm that everybody else hates them. At the same time they are as fragile as a bottle of cheap wine kept on an top shelf (see: Fiasco origin: Italian, from Late Latin flasco bottle), being dependent on electricity and vast logistics support. Therefore, says Copley, if _any_ general conflict occurs, utilities and communications will be the first targets, the attacks will succeed, the hinterlands worldwide will say “Horray! Watch out for city refugees!”, and the cities are toast unless DoD can somehow keep them alive. Which is what the Disaster drills covered.

    OK as far as it goes, but does anybody think that the New World Order (NWO) will hold under that large a knock? More likely, everybody realizes just how much they’ve come to depend on globalization (and Putin will become a national hero in Russian for the next several centuries). and everybody will grab what they can. Result: 30+ year’s of conflict, until the fourth generation combat troops, world wide, refuse to jump into the meat grinder.

    Which probably leaves the US alone, as it has the resources for autarky (hence doesn’t _have_ to participate in the Global “Big Party” and will look like a big enough mess to deter anybody from invading.

    A situation like that is a mess big enough to be a singularity, the more so since countries that are not autarkic (PRC, for the biggest example, but also India and everybody in Africa, sub- or super- Saharan, plus maybe Europe if they can get organized and drop the suicide bit they now pursuee) are going to in conflict and many of them haven’t fought a central war since WW II.

    How does that fit into your scenario? Seems to me it validates your “southern industrial core” thesis, but maybe not. Ever since I read about the War College suggesting that the US could feed East and West Asia after the Himalaya glaciers dried up, I’ve been a bit leery of accepting DoD output as Gospel.

    Counterinsurgency

  177. luke2236 says:
    @bamalamadingdong

    Yes, theoretically this is possible, and could conceivably work. However, (((they))) will not let it happen this time any more than they allowed it in 1860 ; they will rain violence down on the productive sector of the country/ population just like last time. This time, we should eventually be victorious as we have all the guns and brains and food, but they know that; this is why there are hundreds of thousands of foreign troops being housed within our borders and another half million red chinese just south of the Rio Grande.
    Its gonna get real messy. Ammo up, read Deuteronomy 28 and II Chronicles 7:14. Its our only hope.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  178. ricpic says:

    Though I agree with the author (you’d have to be willfully blind not to see America coming apart) the article was ruined for me by “…a brutal ‘utopia’….that would make Joseph Stalin’s Communist state seem like a Sandals retreat in the Bahamas.” Why the overkill? Nothing, no future political arrangement will make Stalin’s mass murder/terror/gulag state seem a walk in the park in comparison. That kind of wild inflation is not only unnecessary, it is the easiest way to discourage the many whites who are uneasy but not quite ready to abandon “the mainstream,” from doing so.

  179. @Intelligent Dasein

    The only “solutions” are the periodic cullings of depression and war.

    True, but unfortunately the wrong people have been culled, from 1861-65 through 1914-18 on to 1939-45.

    It’ll be the same next time. The gods have lost patience, which isn’t necessarily fatal, but God has too, and that is.

  180. @yes to smithereens

    he also saw a fragmented USA as less dangerous to the world.

    Not another! Nietzsche proposed abandoning all Western philosophy since the pre-socratics on the off chance that something better would emerge within a few years. What he got was literally a regression to the Dark Ages.

    The office of King was invented during the early Dark Ages in Europe in order to rule territories containing several Germanic tribes with strong identities, inconsistent customs, and a bunch of Roman subjects, many essential for government. The King was sort of like an emperor, in that he ruled over many different societies, but unlike an Emperor the King had no unbeatable military force at his disposal, and had to be politically adroit, let’s say.

    Fascism, in all its forms to include Stalinism, was simply a return to Dark Ages kingship, one leader to emb0dy the national welfare, all decisions funneled up to one man who, as N. C. Parkinson said, “is obviously off his head from overwork”. That’s what Nietzsche’s program got Europe, and Europe has been flailing around ever since Fascism and Stalinism failed. Now it’s inviting in the barbarians, apparently because “Those people were a kind of solution.” [1] and Europe doesn’t have any other kind. Conceptual vacuums are deadly.

    So now we have yet another lunatic proposing that everything be destroyed in the hopes of something better coming along. There’s as much chance of that working out as there is of this working out?

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/51294/waiting-for-the-barbarians
    Short, and worth reading.

  181. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    The faster Amerikastan disintegrates the better. As for bloodshed and civil eat, if that accompanies or succeeds disintegration, so much the better.

    Breaking up is hard to do. Wouldn’t advise looking forward to it.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  182. Malla says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Agree with everything you say. The Maximum percentage of screened Hindus should be 0.0001% and screened North East Asians 3-4% with more preference given to the Japanese. Screened Others MAX 0.5-1%. So The MIMIMUM pure unmixed White percentage (no Jews or very very few double screend Jews) should be 94% BY LAW. Even what is ‘White’ should be well defined by law.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  183. @peterAUS

    provide some practical advice.

    The V of the L D P of G (Bro. Stare) gave good advice to anybody who’d listen for several years: Get out of the cities, get out of debt.
    I’d add, become part of the economy of the small town, even if it’s only providing information services by telecommuting to an urban center, but preferably by moving a small out-contracting service to a small town using telecommunications and overnight mail / package delivery to keep your old customers. Communications and mail prices go up, but all other prices go down, and, just maybe, you can have a family. Forget this strategy if you aren’t moral by small town standards; they’ll find out. Also, you have to adapt to them, not the other way around.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  184. Malla says:
    @Realist

    Maybe those states which banned miscegenation by law were onto something. There was some wisdom in it.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Jeff Stryker
  185. @Shadow

    As some of you may realize, the vultures would descend to pick the carcass clean and bleach our bones. So there is that.

    OTH, the vultures might well fight each other. The US will still have nuclear weapons.

    Counterinsurgency

  186. Counteringsurgency 182,

    Thanks for the teachable moment, old chum! TL;DR, Don’t be such a timmie. Knocking over a degenerate regime worked out quite nicely for the former Warsaw Pact, as you’d know if you had been there.

    Your first category error is making an analogy to philosophy and not politics. Nietzsche did a different thing than Mielke, and it’s silly to drag his carcass into it.

    Your second category error is regurgitating standard CIA FUD indoctrination: change=chaos.

    Your third and biggest category error is positing a conceptual vacuum to replace degenerate US kleptocracy. The Soviet bloc didn’t face one, and US successor states won’t face one either. Collapsing US successor states will rely on the same thing collapsing COMECON states relied on, namely this.

    https://ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/UniversalHumanRightsInstruments.aspx

    It’s a comprehensive civil and economic reconstruction scaffolding that the world rolls out whenever a regime goes off the rails. If you had ever been on the ground to see it done, you’d know how it works. Everything a failed US state needs is in there. Just pop open a can. It’s what is going to happen. Don’t be scared.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  187. @RoatanBill

    Their IQ is so pathetic that they prove regularly that they can’t run anything.

    True enough, but they can occupy almost anything. Consider Haiti:

    Way back when, c.a. AD 1803, this happened:

    With Napoleon’s inability to send the requested massive reinforcements after the outbreak of war on 18 May 1803 with the British – the Royal Navy immediately despatched a squadron under Sir John Duckworth from Jamaica to cruise in the region, seeking to eliminate communication between the French outposts and to capture or destroy the French warships based in the colony. The Blockade of Saint-Domingue not only cut the French forces out from reinforcements and supplies from France, but also meant that the British began to supply arms to the Haitians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Revolution#1804_massacre_of_the_French

    The British were apparently interested in using minimum assets to destroy the income from Haiti to France. They succeeded, perhaps more than they wanted to.

    Haiti was a more or less typical sugar plantation, plenty of slaves, few masters. With about a 3 year average lifespan after arrival in the fields, most of the slaves were fresh from Africa, which would make them African warriors on the losing side of an African war and freshly enslaved. The British armed Haitians and tropical diseases plus logistics failure destroyed French forces in Haiti, and the French never regained control. Eventually, 1804, and somewhat reluctantly, the former slaves killed all the former masters and anybody associated with them.

    And it’s stayed that way ever since. Los Dominicanos, who hold the other side of the Hispaniola and speak Spanish, are in a stalemate with the Haitians. Los Dominicanos are taking better care of their half of Hispaniola than are the Haitians (https://www.ecowatch.com/an-island-divided-what-we-must-learn-from-the-tragedy-of-hispaniola-1881891391.html ), but the stalemate holds.

    Unable to run things doesn’t mean unable to occupy territory, as the British and French found out.

    Counterinsurgency

  188. anarchyst says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    The reason for the electoral college and the indirect election of the president is thus:
    If the president were elected by direct popular vote, the largest states would “control the vote”. It would not be necessary for candidates to pay attention to the less-populated states. The vote of the largest, most-populated states would rule while the “flyover” less-populated states could be ignored (along with their votes). New York and California would be the only influential states…
    The electoral college is the great “equalizer” which forces the candidates to pay attention to the whole country, even the less-populated states.
    Yes, the electoral college does countermand the popular vote from time-to-time (with good reason) but is the only way to assure that the whole country is represented.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  189. Fact says:

    I have read similar posts and I will give you my 2p. ( I will start with an excuse for my limited English)

    You always come to the same conclusion; Left, left, left. Yes, it is left, a kidnapped Left.

    It started long ago but have accelerated the last 30 years.
    Feminists joined the Zio.inc. (there are females in that division too you know)
    They have the same goal- destroy the white christian male dominance, plain and simple. And you can only do that by breaking the society from within- youngsters mind (kindergarten-school), families ( breaking the view of the traditional female/man relations), churches and christianity, old traditions ( christmas and other ones – different for different countries), bringing in New peoples, creating differents, breaking homogenities, having conflicts among all this traditional groups, creating a chaos.
    They use all the other minorities as a mean to point out the differents, as voting cattles and for demonstrations.

    Today they work by NGO:s and umbrella-organisations (Ironic-many supported with taxes and contributions from, the white males).
    All over the world- spreading The Word.

    The rage about Thrump was not mainly him, It was him beating Hillary (their female Icon!) Remember all this hysteric womens the day he won?

    Look no further: Merkel, May, Gina Haspel, Legarde (and how did she come to that position?-Sexscandal), and now the latest, Eu:s Ursula.

    One smart move they have used for taking power is to first make sexuality a no no, ( everything connected between a man and a women today is weaponized )
    It´s a perfect -Genious- way to get rid of Male competition! See Metoo, and all similar and future created products.

    All this you can only succed with IF you have control of the Media, MSM. There is the key if you want to reverse today´s madness.
    If I was king for a day, I would forbid any family to own more than one newspaper, tv-channel e.t.c. and spread it among all groups i the society.

    I could go on but I guess you got my point.

    PS. Equality is good, but the path they have choosed to achieve it, is not based on anything I support.

  190. Baxter says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    ‘In a multicultural shit stew, democracy is a racial headcount.’
    Yes, that is correct. I’ve mentioned this many times in conversations. If you look at the voting breakdown of Americans, when the opportunity presents itself, they generally vote along racial lines.
    When I have pointed this out and stated the demographics in America are about to tip permanently, I have been met with a kind of defeated indifference as a response.
    It’s like modern people don’t want to be bothered with anything. Maybe this is decadence or even post decadence.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
  191. You can have the Jews and the hell on earth they will always create, as those who align themselves with Satan always do, or you can have a stable, Christian culture, but you absolutely cannot have both. The people who murdered the Very Son of God, yeah let’s put them in charge of the world. Attempting to rebuild without rebuilding on actual Catholicism and stripping the Jews of power is an exercise in futility. They must be encouraged at every opportunity to leave here and return to their brethren.

  192. SafeNow says:
    @TKK

    An interesting thought experiment, that proficient-peoples’ strike — no Sully, no Jack Lemmon in the control room of the nuclear power plant; life would indeed unravel. A corollary thought: Here in California, the ubiquitous performance standard, among people of all backgrounds, is now “get it basically right.” (I wonder where that came from.) A quantitative friend puts it at 85%. Thus, here in California, we are already 15% on strike. This will spread; Boeing got the MAX basically right.

  193. @yes to smithereens

    Be nice if you turn out to be right. I suspect that things will be a bit more turbulent than that, but the only way to find out is to have it happen.

    Counterinsurgency

  194. @luke2236

    half million red chinese just south of the Rio Grande

    Boy, that would be fun for everyone. How would the PRC handle the logistics this half million troops? Remember, if they run out of food and ammunition, they’re not dangerous as formed units, alth0ugh they might re-form into bandits just to keep fed.

    Counterinsurgency

  195. Icy Blast says:
    @Cleburne

    Thank you for your calm, rational, informative reply. The South isn’t for me, but I know there are a lot of good people there.

  196. @RoatanBill

    As long as non STEM ‘professions’ exist and schools teach utter nonsense to turn out more and more educated idiots the problem will remain.

    I agree with the thrust of your comment, but would point out that schools do not produce educated people; they produce trained people. Sometimes the training can be excellent, but more often than not it’s BS as you point out. One of the worst results is that they produce ignorant, mindless, goons who nevertheless pass as educated and think of themselves as such.

    Even STEM grads often think of themselves as educated when few things are in fact further from the truth.

    The whole system is a money grubbing and brainwashing fraud worthy only of mockery.

  197. @yes to smithereens

    Thanks.

    I also found this, and remain, more than ever, a Kennan0phile.:

    Kennan first revealed his radical decentralist tendencies in his 1993 book Around the Cragged Hill, said Naylor, citing this passage:

    “I have often diverted myself, and puzzled my friends, by wondering how it would be if our country, while retaining certain of the rudiments of a federal government, were to be decentralized into something like a dozen constituent republics, absorbing not only the powers of the existing states but a considerable part of those of the present federal establishment. …

    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/state-local-politics/199550-george-kennan-on-the-decline-of-american-power

  198. @Malla

    “Pure” White is very loose and subjective. Indo-European is more encompassing and includes peoples who genetically and linguistically are related from Northern India to the British Isles. What is important is an ethnic group that has high enough average IQ and “CQ”, i.e., Civilization Quotient. Those peoples whose societies have attained high levels of civilization, as the inheritors, are OK with me. Case in point: Middle East Christians.

    Back to you, Chet.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  199. One of the problems with this proposal is that the divide in America isn’t between state and state, but between town and country.

    For example, Oregon went for Clinton but Missouri went for Trump. In both cases, though, the big cities went for Hillary whilst the countryside and smaller towns went for Trump. The distinction was that Portland and Eugene can outvote the rest of Oregon, but Saint Louis and Kansas City didn’t outvote the rest of Missouri.

    • Replies: @David Erickson
  200. Frankly and un-polemically speaking, COIN 195, the results will probably depend on the culture. The slave states will end up like Turkmenistan; New England will turn out like Slovakia; Puerto Rico and Hawaii will wind up like Crimea, absorbed into regional poles; the empty quarter, with its experience of human rights and self-determination, will end up like Mongolia; the Colorado River basin will be uninhabited desert; Quaker Philadelphia and environs will be like the Balts; Florida will be Ukraine; NYC will be under water, good frickin riddance to those crooked Aholes.

  201. Malla says:
    @Poupon Marx

    I would not do that, me being a North Indian upper caste meself. Do not go by past civilizations. Most of those civilizations were because of the productive land they were in. People should be compared after their performance as SOCIETIES since the Industrial Revolution. IQ is not the only factor. Their is moral character too. And most North Indians and Middle Easterners fail that. I would stick to White. Besides the Indo Europeans in India are mixed with Australoids. You could allow a few from these places but need good screening.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  202. Malla says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Traditional people of European origin (including Slavic Russians) other than Gypsies and some non White minorities like Tartars are White, it is simple. Some Jews may be White but still should not be considered so and the very few who may be admitted need to go through double triple screening. With genetic screening it can be determined very easily who is White. Common sense may be used, mixed races may not be considered White.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  203. NYC will be under water, good frickin riddance to those crooked Aholes.

    Hell, I’d like to kiss the whole East Coast goodbye.

  204. peterAUS says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    I was, actually, asking about practical advice re successful secession.

    THAT level of expertise/experience/access to information would be able to provide at least a general idea about what to do and what not to do.
    That could get translated into smart and productive use of time/effort/energy within, say…….next 3-5 years.

    Something like that.

    Not holding my breath, of course, in this case.

    In time…. it will change.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  205. Whole lot of fear mongering and projection for one article.

    Another moron blaming the absurdity of late stage capitalism on imaginary marxism, that does not exist. What the author describes is called identity politics and it has nothing to do with marxism, socialism, or communism. There is no call for socialism in DC. The Democrats, like the GOP, are deathly afraid of working class people overcoming their racial and ethnic differences. Real socialism produces for needs of people, not the needs of the rich capitalists. Both the GOP and the Democrats want Americans to think of themselves as White, Black, Brown, Christian, Muslim, Jew, male, female, gay, straight… Anything but people who have to work for a living. DC is deathly afraid of Americans understanding what social class means.

    When white people do racist things, the Democratic Party rejoices because this gives them an opportunity to appear to fight against something that costs their capitalist donors nothing. When Liberals do dumb shit like complain that nobody respects blacks or gays or women, the GOP rejoices for the same reason.

    Don’t worry goyims, your capitalist overlords are there to protect you.

    Fucking idiots, you really think other working class citizens are the problem? Poor people? Mexicans? Defenseless people with no money, no power? Go ahead and start a civil war, kill all those other slaves, see how far that gets you.

    If you do not like identity politics, then you do not like capitalism. If you do not like “open borders” or illegal immigration, then you do not like capitalism. If you do not like your jobs being off-shored by rich capitalists, then you do not like capitalism. If you don’t like endless war waged by capitalists, to increase the capitalists markets and profits, then you do not like capitalism. If you do not like big govt. serving the needs of rich capitalists, and throwing the working man under the bus, then you do not like capitalism. If you do not like the privately owned Federal Reserve, that was created by capitalists, is run by rich capitalists, to serve the needs of capitalists, then you do not like capitalism. If you don’t like Big Tech monopolies that censor you, then you do not like capitalism.

    Your problem is Wall St. you morons. The capitalist ruling class. They don’t call you dumb goyim for nuffin.

    they push for open borders and what amounts to “population replacement” of natives by illegal aliens

    Europeans are not natives. There would be no immigration if capitalists didn’t want and NEED immigration. Most of the blacks you brought here yourself to save a buck.

    No matter that Donald Trump filled much of his administration with establishment figures and GOP standbys (especially in foreign policy). The fact of his election had signaled that the mask of the administrative state, its very authority had been seriously challenged.

    LOL, another Q Anon dupe. Trust the plan! If Trump were fighting the “deep state” he certainly wouldn’t be giving them a bigger budget than any admin. in recent history. Its a show folks. The establishment loves Trump, including the “liberal” media. Trumps been a goldmine to the MIC and CIA media.

    Russia Hoax, involving the Hilary Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee, the Mueller Commission, a compliant media, and the FBI and other intelligence services, and totally false claims that somehow the Russians “had interfered” in our elections

    Also, Republicans, McCain and Jeb! Trump went along with it by putting sanctions on Russia over the whole thing. He also forced RT to register as foreign agents. So lets not pretend Trump isn’t going along with Russiagate. The whole thing was a psyop to impose censorship and demonize Russia.

    They illustrate what political theorist Paul Gottfried has called a “post-Marxist” praxis that has actually moved beyond the assaults of cultural Marxism towards a new and imposed template.

    Throw in some more imaginary “cultural marxism” that was created by our capitalist overlords. Everything I don’t like is MARXIST!

    Creative ideas from the Right only come nowadays from what is termed “the disauthorized Right,” from the nationalist Right (especially in Europe), and the populist and Old Right (here in the United States).

    Such as what? Blow smoke up your ass 24/7. Blame immigrants, blacks, Mexicans, fags, Jews, Injuns, Marxists, communists for all your problems? Tell you they hate immigrants too, and are going to shut it down and deport them all, but never intend to do it. None dare criticize the capitalist system or the ruling class itself. All of your problems are caused by your fellow slaves that have zero money or power, right? Sounds like the status quo to me Bob.

    The other options, all of them, bring violence, civil war, and probably dictatorship

    A dictatorship? Like having the largest prison population on Earth? Like where 1.6 million people are arrested for drugs in a single year, most of them people arrested for marijuana offenses. Thats more arrests than for all violent crimes combined. Yet rich capitalists can steal trillions of dollars in wealth from you and walk free, even get appointed to the next Potus’s cabinet. A dictatorship like when a government agent fondles your genitals in front of your children at the airport? Asset forfeiture that entitles “law enforcement” to confiscate people’s cash, cars, and other property based on the flimsiest accusation. Get sick and can’t afford the ridiculous medical bills, lose your house and get kicked to the curb, sounds pertineer close to dictatorship to me Bob.

    Dictatorship like where the military or a mercenary can disappear you? Assassinate you without due process? Send you to the gulag in Guantanamo Bay without charges or due process? Assassinate or imprison journalists who tell the truth like Trump regime is doing to Assange and Manning? Suspension of the 4th & 5th Amendments, thanks to Patriot Act, NDAA? Police officers can kill with impunity?

    Where has this moron been for 30 years? Now your 1st amendment going bye bye, but this is no dictatorship. But its all the Beaners, Fags and Marxists fault!!!!! Dumb goyim.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  206. Meester Sheete 205, I am inclined to think that with the help of Albion’s Seed, we can see in some detail which cultures left something worth salvaging, and perhaps economize a bit on the megatonnage of the Russian Poseidon tsunami-torpedoes we need to sink the coast. Certainly, from the Virginia coast south we have two disposable cultures, Cavalier human trafficking traditions and Zionazi colonization. 100-megaton warheads for that littoral, turn it all to glass. The Quaker tradition of Philadelphia has preserved some civilization, so maybe spare that. Provincial New England offers the Congregationalist ferment of the American Renaissance along with the popular sovereignty of Shay’s rebellion, so spare that. New York, which once offered the cosmopolite sophistication of New Amsterdam, has been irremediably corrupted by CIA and its NYPD auxiliary, so max out the warhead (100 MT will wipe out Princeton to Hartford). Boston will have to go too. 911 and the Boston Marathon bombing shows that CIA has hopelessly corrupted Boston. Nuke that back to the stone age too.

  207. @Jake

    I finally conceded, after several decades, the clear and irreversible belief that Christianity, a Middle East Arbrahamic religion, starring the Semite Rabbi, Jesus, and a florid, exciting constellation of supernatural and unverifiable events is..sadly…a flat tire for the destiny and salvation vehicle of the West, and the Indo-European peoples. This is notwithstanding the fervent Christianity of the Eastern, formerly Comintern countries. This is Old Time Religion, a retrogression before the post-Enlightenment collapse of certainly and pillars of societal stability. Long term, I believe the internal contradictions and conflicts with emotional and intellectual/spiritual development will shed unfavorable light on this belief system.

    Atheism is not an option. Nor is agnosticism. I leave it open to the imminent and eminent commentators to follow to hash this and make their positions.

  208. Poco says:
    @Corvinus

    Its clear this country has problems. I’m sure your fix entails that whites just gotta be less racist.

    Your constant duder, Big Lebowski imitation, (yeah man, that’s like, just your opinion) and continual copy pasta from vox day as some kind of gotcha is wearisome.

    Pray tell, do you go to Nation of Islam pages and lecture them on what it means to be American and what the constitution means?

    Nah, you’re a chickenshit troll, and stoopid. And yeah man that’s my opinion.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  209. @Malla

    I broadly agree with you. Many Coptic, Syrian, Lebanese Christians have immigrated to the New World and done very well, assimilated and contributed . I myself am Eastern Orthodox.

    We can agree, I think, that screening should be on an individual basis, and should that individual be granted admission, a waiting period of several years-say, five-needs to pass before full citizenship. One proviso that I believe absolutely essential is the stripping away of citizenship and banishment for those who act against the interests of the commonweal.

    I have spent my life traveling internationally, lived abroad, and have Asians in my family and friends. Inherently, there is no problem in integration and compatibility.

    You might know of the Eurasian Society of Singapore.

    Cheers

    • Replies: @Malla
  210. sheliak says:

    During a 1970’s edition of Buckley’s Firing Line program contrasting the American and Soviet Constitutions, Malcolm Muggeridge stated that the American Constitution was fatally flawed in that it granted the rights with which americans would use to destroy themselves. Buckley and the program panel were aghast and postulated such an outcome would never happen. Of course, Muggeridge was correct fifty years ago.

    • Replies: @Anon
  211. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    me being a North Indian upper caste meself.

    Lol. Who do you think you are fooling? Anyone with such a pitifully slavish mentality as yours can not be “upper” anything. And sure enough:

    https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Mala_(caste).html

    Mala or Malla (different from the family/last name Malla from Andhra) is a social group or caste mostly from the south Indian states of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.

    They have been demanding central Government to accord them SC status on par with Dalit Buddhists, Dalit Sikhs and not to discriminate them on religious grounds for being Dalit Christians.

    Dalit Christians? That explains a lot. Can’t really blame you for hating the people and the culture that treated your ancestors as pariahs for so long. That also explains your feverish love for the British, who educated and uplifted your caste, something denied them for millennia by Hinduism.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @Malla
  212. We’re at the tail end of a 70 year progrom dedicated to the destruction of America. Our Christian morals have been shattered, our educational system overtaken, our governments corrupted, our churches mocked and diminished. The end will be bloody Rally round family and our 2nd ammendment, with a pocket full of shells.

  213. Bliss says:

    Is It Time for America to Break Apart?

    You will have to wait till “The Great Race War of 2040-2050” for that to happen:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtncbiUUUAAHQLG?format=jpg

  214. anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the off scourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.” <=We did? , no I think we allowed the USA to use these scum of the earth people against us.. immigration is a weapon when the immigrants are not allowed to be a part of the masses.

    WE Americans developed America.. but the USA. used those who were not yet Americans to build their empire the USA projects today.

    The USA has to have a reason to let scum in.. Americans have never had the opportunity to chose our neighbors, we accept whomever becomes our neighbors.. and after generation or two those who were once foreigners are now Americans.

    We don't need to segregate the people or sort the immigrants into states, nor do we need to give the states selection of population rights, dividing the masses into people containers plays into the hands of the third party, i call it the private corrupt party. The PCP has control over the money, wealth, power, and use the elected 527 at the USA. The PCP can order the USA to differentiate and parcel the masses into people containers (states, counties, and cities). The PCP can polarize the people in one container against the people in the other container.. <=that is how 527 indifferent foreigners who run the USA have been able to use the masses to achieve the goals the private wealth, and their corporate empires demand of the elected.

    I will never go for curtailing immigration nor for giving states the right to deny those who are in America. To me it is indifferent how the people appear. What is important is to Americanize those who are here. and try as much as possible to keep the USA mitts off them long enough for the new immigrants to be Americanized.

    • Replies: @Anon
  215. Here’s a letter I wrote to the Hoboken Reporter:
    Dear editor:
    Mr.—-(Letters, May 10) says that the Confederate flag has no place in modern America, that “the Confederacy was defeated and the Union has been preserved.” Yes, that’s true, but I, for one, wish the Confederacy had won the Civil War and had seceded from the Union.
    The South had every Constitutional right to do so, and Abe Lincoln knew it, but he started the ruinous four-year war not to free the slaves, as we are taught to believe, but to forcefully keep the South from divorcing the North. South saw North as an abusive tyrant, it wanted a divorce, and was willing to fight in order to achieve it. It was not about slavery. Those who fought and died did not own slaves. Slavery was on its way out and in a few years would have been gone without the horrific destruction and bloodshed.
    If the South had divorced the North, it would have set an important precedent. Other states and regions, such as the West, the Northwest, the Middle West, New England, might have decided to go their own way too. If that had happened, the U.S. could not have become the Evil Empire, with 800 military bases all over the world, endless war for the benefit of the Military-Industrial-Intelligence Complex, which now milks the country for its benefit, taking 50 cents out of every tax dollar.
    Wouldn’t it be nice if a Sovereign Northeast (NJ and four other states) had its own passports, its own currency, taxes, laws, its own militia to protect it from the war-crazed psychos in D.C.
    T. Weed
    (T. Weed is a pseudonym I use here on the West Bank of the Hudson River)

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  216. @Bliss

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    The Malla Dynasty was the ruling dynasty of Kathmandu Valley from c. 1201–1779 CE on the Indian subcontinent. They are Newars.[1] The term Malla mean “wrestler” in Sanskrit. The first of the Malla kings came to power in Kathmandu Valley around 1200 CE. The Malla period was a golden one that stretched over 600 years, though it was peppered with fighting over the valuable trade routes to Tibet.[2]

    The Mallas were noted for their patronisation of the Maithili language (the language of the Mithila region) which was afforded an equal status to that of Sanskrit in the Malla court.[3] Maithil Brahmin priests were invited to Kathmandu and many Maithil families settled in Kathmandu during Malla rule.[

    Present day Katmandu is proximate to where Buddha was born.

    You should apologize, Bliss. And ask forgiveness for spite and ignorance.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Bliss
  217. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @GMC

    By all means learn Spanish. It will come in handy to manage the landscaper and roofers.

    In my area, parents pull all manner of strings to get their kids into the Mandarin immersion school.
    They will be able to converse with the scientists, biologists, engineers who dominate biotech in the region.

  218. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @sheliak

    Malcolm Muggeridge stated that the American Constitution was fatally flawed in that it granted the rights with which americans would use to destroy themselves.

    Freedom of religion being one of those rights, off-hand. Freedom of religion essentially being the most well-molded umbrella for sophisticated mafia operations.

  219. Poco says:
    @Corvinus

    I see your intent. The larger the pool of laborers the cheaper the cost. Keeping wages down. Just another corporate sucker explaining how moral they are.

  220. Anon[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    immigration is a weapon when the immigrants are not allowed to be a part of the masses.

    False. Non-white immigrant populations universally vote progressive as a competitive group strategy for resources in competition with the White majority. Immigration is a political weapon, full stop.

    In addition, “not allowed to be part of the masses” is a completely meaningless soundbite. Neither does anyone stop people here from doing what they wish, and neither can groups completely integrate without destroying one another.

    but the USA. used those who were not yet Americans to build their empire the USA projects today

    Spin without meaningful detail, and pointless altogether. Especially in worldwide historical context. But I understand that this is a bit of propaganda that nonwhites and non-citizens like to tell themselves as a means to justify non-citizen entitlement to the United States that serves their political interests.

    The PCP can order the USA to differentiate and parcel the masses into people containers (states, counties, and cities).

    Or Nations. Amirite, commie? Containers are culture. Culture is race. Anything else is false and destined to fail or destroy. No one pushes people into containers. We can self segregate very well on our own.

    I will never go for curtailing immigration nor for giving states the right to deny those who are in America. To me it is indifferent how the people appear.

    With this statement, you are demonstrating that you don’t understand the political nature of humans.

    What is important is to Americanize those who are here.

    “Americanize” means nothing, and it never has except to strip someone of their nationalistc tendencies. Which America has done a poor job of across the board, as this (essentially communist) action is against human nature and thus requires a never ending war against ever-renewable human nature.

  221. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain

    “eat” is a typo for “war” (note letter positions on keyboard).

  222. @geokat62

    The situation then was very different from the one we face now. With the exception of the foreign troops in the 1765-83 conflict, our first two civil war were mostly just that: civil conflicts within the American ethnos.

    Today, that ethnos is still a majority in absolute terms but a shrinking one. In all likelihood it is already a political minority due to ethnic Americans who for various ideological reasons are hostile to their own origins and identify with the racial, ethnic, religious, sexual, and other minorities who oppose them and seek total political control – and once Texas “flips blue” will pretty much have it on the national level. As such, any standoff will look less like our two previous conflicts and more like the Russian civil war, though with the geographic difference that the urban “center” will actually be on the two coasts.

    But that’s if a conflict actually materializes, as I think it will not. Unlike our two earlier struggles, there would be no conferral of legitimacy upon ethnic American resistance to the new order at any level of government as was available during the Revolution when Patriots could say they were obeying the law in the form of colonial governments and the Continental Congress, while Loyalists had appeal to the Crown; or in the Civil War when southerners were loyal to their state governments while northerners claimed the same regarding their states and the federal government. If the crunch comes, and I think it will, I don’t think even the “reddest” state government in Flyover Country would be willing to support any show of disobedience to purportedly legal demands from Washington – witness meek submission to whatever edicts come from the Supreme Court, with even supposed conservatives concluding we have no choice but to “obey the law.”

    Where and how would pathologically law-abiding middle class Americans, many of them older and in questionable health, vent their rage? March on Washington – and do what when they got there? Or stay at home and torch the local post office? There would be no obvious foci of legitimacy, organization, or action. But there would be horrendous consequences for any manifestation of what would be condemned as “terrorism.”

    Sure, devotees of the Second Amendment own more private weapons, so ethnic Americans are better armed. But that may change as the violent Left gears up its own paramilitary capabilities secure in the knowledge that authorities turn a blind eye to their violence while regarding even non-violent civic nationalism (never mind ethnic nationalism) as subversive. Unlike the circumstance when the Constitution was adopted and private firearms were as good or better than military ones, there is no comparison today in delivery of devastating, deadly force. Estimates vary widely on how the military would divide. The same can be said for police forces, some of them heavily militarized.
    To be clear, I don’t rule out Mr. Cathey’s suggestion that a messy civil conflict could ensue. If so, it would look less like our two earlier organized and (relatively) polite civil wars and more like the brutal communal conflicts in Yugoslavia (1991-1995), Spain (1936-1939), or – probably most likely, since there would probably not be decisive interference from outside powers, as was the case in Yugoslavia and Spain – Russia (1917-1922).

    But I think such a conflict is improbable. My guess is that the historic American ethnos, whose last-chance champion Trump was elected to be, would give up without a fight and submit to a tyranny that would, eventually, result in some even more fundamental societal collapse. Americans like to imagine ourselves as rough-hewn, freedom-loving, don’t-tread-on-me rebels. But after decades of corruption and conditioning by politicians, judges, bureaucrats, educators, entertainers, media, advertising, pharmaceuticals, processed foods, etc., today’s Americans may well be among the most docile people on earth. Maybe that’s how America ends: not with a bang but a whimper.

    • Agree: Sean McBride
    • Replies: @geokat62
  223. renfro says:
    @Jim Jatras

    There’s no separation because there’s no political mechanism for doing so. No civil war because the American ethnos (European stock (English core), Christian (mostly Protestant), English-speaking) is terminally law-abiding and would have no idea how to mount an insurrection, much less an ability to carry it out.

    Not that I think there is going to be an actual bloody war, nor do I recommend one……but those who arrived here after the 1700’s , which is most of the population , know nothing about the culture of those of us whose ancestors founded this country. And most of these decedents are in the southern states.
    Non Southerners also will never understand the South…they do however understand that we dont care if they don’t understand the South….which makes them dislike us even more…..lol.

    Rod Andrew, Jr. Long Gray Lines: The Southern Military School Tradition, Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press,

    ”According to Andrew, the “Lost Cause strengthened the Southern military tradition” (p. 47). What the Confederate soldiers symbolized was what the schools wanted their cadets to become. The spirit of the South and the pride associated with sacrificing for a larger cause meant students placed themselves in a larger context.

    The Lost Cause could set them apart from other regions of the nation, while simultaneously bringing them together under one banner. Cadets and administrators alike, contends Andrew, did not see a contradiction between their type of military life and “Americanism” (p. 66). Indeed, they were, in their eyes, reinforcing the “American way.”

    Another unique characteristic of the Southern military tradition, which Andrew succinctly illustrates, is the cadets’ collective resistance to authority. The Esprit de Corps, ever-present in the best of the military, paradoxically promoted a questioning of authority. Challenging the establishment, usually school administrators or boards, over actions or rules that the students believed unacceptable, clearly represents a situation where militarism and the American belief about individual rights interplay or even contradict. Students believed that if the authorities wrongly handled a situation, it was their duty as citizens, to speak out and correct the problem. In some instances, entire student bodies threatened to walk out over a particular problem.

    Many throughout history have observed the martial qualities of the Southerner. As he camped in Mississippi in September 1863, Union General William T. Sherman observed in a letter of the “young bloods of the South” he had been fighting:

    ”War suits them, and the rascals are brave, fine riders, bold to rashness … and they are the most dangerous set of men that this war has turned loose upon the world. They … must all be killed or employed by us before we can hope for peace.’

    The result today, in many ways, is a separate warrior class, concentrated in the South and living in isolated military communities and installations like Fayetteville, North Carolina. The families making up these communities may have a proud tradition of service, but it can be a double-edged saber they carry. “When you see other cultures having strengths that don’t require you to go out and get your butt shot off,” observes Webb, “this particular cultural strength seems thankless and kind of a curse, but it’s there.”
    More recently, in a 1997 interview, former Senator and Secretary of the Navy Jim Webb observed of his own Southern, Scotch-Irish heritage, that “we have been soldiers for 2,000 years. The military virtues have been passed down at the dinner table.”

    Research suggests, as Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker chronicles in The Better Angels of Our Nature, that the South has a distinct history of violence and a culture of honor that can be traced back to the Scotch-Irish herders who settled there — more belligerent than farming communities because they must protect their flocks — and that still persists today. Could this culture of honor and military tradition help explain the Southerners’ disproportionate numbers in the U.S. armed forces?
    According to the U.S. Department of Defense’s most recent Population Representation in the Military Services report:
    Almost 44 percent of all military recruits came from the South”

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Bliss
  224. Corvinus says:
    @Poco

    “Its clear this country has problems. I’m sure your fix entails that whites just gotta be less racist.”

    Actually, everyone should try to act a tad more kinder to one another, no matter what race or ethnicity.

    “continual copy pasta from vox day as some kind of gotcha is wearisome.”

    I understand you are uncomfortable with the truth.

    “Pray tell, do you go to Nation of Islam pages and lecture them on what it means to be American and what the constitution means?”

    I’m everywhere.

    “Nah, you’re a chickenshit troll, and stoopid. And yeah man that’s my opinion.”

    I regularly comment here on this fine blog in an intelligent manner. And that is not opinion, that is fact, friend.

    • Replies: @Poco
  225. @RoatanBill

    I agree that there are many BS fields of endeavor, Bill, and pretty much on the same ones you give as examples. However, people have every right to study whatever, including that iconic “underwater basketweaving. We shouldn’t have to listen to these people. That means pretty much cutting off the cable TV and not taking (or paying for your kids to take) any course by these worthless people.

    As far as these “leaders”, well, we don’t need to be voting for them. (I understand that that often leaves nobody else to vote for.)

    In general if you take away the money – don’t subsidize things – anything that doesn’t inherently pay off STOPS. Ronnie Reagan explained this succinctly a long time ago.

  226. @Germanicus

    Take the schools and unis back, it should be your primary goal, urgently.

    That’s the most important medium-term action one can take, Germanicus, and it’s completely local. Peak Stupidity has a 3-part series on homeschooling called Homeschooling – poking the Beast in the eye with a big stickPart 1, Part 2, and Part 3,

  227. BJM says:
    @Icy Blast

    Are you out of your mind? “Very few people who were not born in the Confederate states want to live in them”??

    You have obviously not driven around cities like Nashville, Charlotte or Raleigh, or even 3rd tier cities like Greenvile SC or Birmingham AL, in the last, oh, 40 years or so, never mind Atlanta or Dallas. We are completely suffused–some might say overrun– with non-native Confederate staters, who come for the weather, good public schools and normal people.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
  228. @melpol

    You get deported alone with those invaders you leftist faggot.

  229. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Hey Hasenpfeffer,

    The 1970s called. They want their cardigan-wearing, Meathead-looking, boring-ass anti-Christian canard-spewing Dumbledork back.

    You’re not the only one in these pages who thinks that the cutting edge in dissident politics is approached by spouting warmed-over Leftist tripe from 50 years ago, but seeing such lack of self-awareness on display never ceases to amaze.

  230. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    LOl Malla is not my caste you stupid punk. My surname is Mathur. That is North Indian. There is a city in UP called Mathura, that is where my ancestors come from.

    And as far as Dalits, if they love the Brits who showed kindness to them after 2000 years of slavery, what is wrong with that? At least they have the sense of gratitude. Unlike negroes like you who have only hatred for your benefactors and whose ancestors were naked in the forest living in tribes needing my Indian culture to claim some self respect. LOL

  231. @renfro

    RENFRO

    In Warren/suburban Detroit I knew lots of these transplants as a child in the eighties when the plants were still attracting internal migrants the South.

    They were swaggering braggarts and naively bold.

    Mouthy, another words. Reckless.

    Some were tough, but in terms of physical fighting prowess none had the ability of the blacks or Italians or a few of the Irish-Catholics who sometimes beat the hell out of them.

    These Ulster Protestants took consequences lightly, and were often surprised at how badly they ended up being bashed in fights.

    However, to their credit, it did not deter them from swaggering once more when they mended up.

    Culturally, I’d say that these Ulster-Southern people did not understand the Northern reserve or the vengeful, grudge-bearing character of Italians or Irish-Catholic Americans.

    So I agree with you. The Northern culture of avoiding conflict and obfuscation combined with deep vendettas and scorched earth mentality did not gel well with them.

    In any event, they seemed to deep problems with school authority. And again, they found themselves in far more serious trouble than they expected.

    But then, look at eagerness for war. The deep, long-lasting economic and social consequences don’t occur to them.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @renfro
  232. Malla says:
    @Poupon Marx

    You should apologize, Bliss. And ask forgiveness for spite and ignorance.

    Please have no such expectations from him. He is full of spite and hatred for Whitey and Japanese because he feels angry at the world for being born ….

    As far as “Malla”, thanks for that info. I just chose this name by random. I also found this about the term “mallas”, if it interests you. They might have been one of the Scythian peoples in North India during the time of Buddha.

    “Michael Witzel notes that in Vedic texts associated with the eastern Ganges plain, none of the various tribes that populate the Pāli texts are found. The Sakya, Malla, Vajji, Licchavi, Naya, Kālāma, Buli, Moriya and Vesali are all missing from the Brāhmana. and Āranyaka texts. By contrast, Pānini knows the Mallas and the Vrjis as tribes of the Panjab and Rajasthan respectively. Some of the Mallas must have remained behind, as Alexander’s ambassadors met people called “Malloi” (Witzel 1997: 310). Witzel reasons that these tribes must have arrived in India and migrated eastwards in the space between the composition of the late Vedic texts and the lifetime of the Buddha, i.e. between about 1000 and 500 BCE (Witzel 1997: 312).
    The fact that the Śākyas are not mentioned until the Buddhist period may be explained in other ways. They may have been indigenous to the area though this raises the question of where they got an Indic-language name, since the indigenous people most likely spoke an Austro-Asiatic language. They may have been an early wave of the Indic-speaking peoples. However, these explanations don’t explain how the Śākyas came into contact with ideas such as dividing the person into body, speech and mind for moral purposes, which is so very like the Zoroastrian idea.
    Witzel’s time frame for the migration of non-Vedic tribes eastwards is still very broad, but we can narrow it down. Asko Parpola (2002) has independently put forward a very similar hypothesis. Parpola is concerned with the Pāndavas, and by combining archaeological and textual evidence he comes to the conclusion that a group of Iranians, generically called Pāndu or ‘pale’, entered India around 800 BCE via the Indus Valley. Some of the Pāndus went north to become the Pāndavas of the Mahābhārata, but the main part of Parpola’s argument has the Pāndus continuing to migrate southwards down the west coast and eventually becoming the first Indo-European speakers in Sri Lanka (Parpola 2002: 362–4). A possible weakness of this argument is that Sinhalese is usually considered an Indic rather than an Iranian language. However, Parpola suggests that the Pāndavas “quickly adopted the earlier local culture and language”, and we assume the proto-Sinhalese Pāndu did the same. Here we might compare the Pāndavas with the 10th century Norse migrants to Normandy, who rapidly adopted French language and customs. Furthermore, the Pāndavas’ newly-won positions were “legitimised with fabricated genealogies that made them a branch of the earlier ruling family” (Parpola 2002:370).
    Parpola adds: “Another successful group was the family to which the Buddha belonged: the Śākyas, too were Pāndus, ultimately of Śaka origin, as their name reveals” (Parpola 2002: 370). Parpola’s date of ca. 800 BCE for the beginning of this migration is well within Witzel’s time frame.
    As it happens, climate scientists have proposed that an abrupt climate shift “towards increased humidity caused by a decline of solar activity” allowed for a dramatic expansion of Scythian culture around 850 BCE (Van Geel et al. 2004 a, 2004 b; also Chambers et al. 2007). The shift probably happened rapidly, within perhaps a decade, and also led to “a dryness crisis” caused by weak monsoon intensity in north-west India after 850 BCE (van Geel et al. 2004 b). Van Geel et al.
    also note that “aridity forced people to shift from sedentism to sheep/goat pastoralism” (Van Geel et al. 2004 b: 276), while Gupta et al. suggest that changes in crops grown would also result from climate change and may explain the use of millet, lentils, chick peas etc. (Gupta et al. 2006: 1086). At the same time, Megalithic people were moving from South India into the Deccan with iron and
    horses, and “they were probably responsible for the end of the Chalcolithic culture in this region” (Van Geel et al. 2004 b: 276). Asko Parpola, however, sees the megaliths of South India as a product of the Pāndus moving south (Parpola 2002: 362).
    Another possible vein of evidence is suggested by Thomas Hopkins’s claim (in Samuel 2008) that the Central Ganges culture had similarities to the Malwa culture. The Malwa were one of several Chalcolithic societies which flourished in the Northern Deccan, Maharashtra and Gujarat during the second millennium BCE. A feature of these cultures is that they, like the Indus Civilisation, ceased relatively abruptly. “A drastic change in the climate occurred around 1000 B.C.,
    when increasing aridity set in. This probably led to desertion of the vast majority of Chalcolithic settlements” (Dhavalikar 1984: 155). The final desertion occurred around 700 BCE. It may be that the more recent and precise date of 850 BCE applies here as well, and that the collapse of Chalcolithic cultures in the Deccan mirrors the conditions faced by the Mallas, Vrji and Śākyas.
    The 9th century BCE change in climate also corresponds roughly with the change from bronze to iron. It also corresponds to the compilation of the Rigveda into a collection (Deshpande 1979: 240). Climate change data which can be accurate to within decades may be an increasingly useful tool in establishing the chronology of ancient Indian cultural changes. The date of 850 BCE for this abrupt
    change fits the date proposed by Parpola, and this in turn lends support to Witzel’s conjecture. A sharp reduction in monsoon intensity, combined with pressure from outside India in the form of vigorous and expanding Central Asian Scythians, may have caused the migrations of the Mallas and Vrjis that are reasonably well attested.”

  233. Malla says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Agree with everything you say. Many Maronite Arab Christians from Lebanon for example, even though they are mercantile in nature, integrate very well in the West. Many of them have Greeco-Syrian ancestry from Byzantine period and earlier. Some of them even show European looks. I knew on with natural green eyes.

    Cheers.

    • Replies: @Anon
  234. Malla says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Present day Katmandu is proximate to where Buddha was born.

    This is not surprising as the Mallas were a Scythian people closely linked to the Sakyas. The Buddha was Sakya, also called Sakyamuni or sage of the Sacas. Saca also means Scythian in Sanskrit.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  235. @Realist

    You’re absolutely right. It’s just a template. Putting it into practice would require the use of forces that are under the control of some truly patriotic, military commander. However, the stage may be set when some form of natural or man-made disaster occurs. With disgruntlement rising within the police forces, and White men being singled out for condemnation, ostracization and termination for the slightest, perceived insult or hint of racism, the center may give way. I’m still waiting for a Boston Massacre scenario to erupt, where some cop, in the chaos of rocks and bottles reigning down on him, suddenly opens fire on a crowd of B.L.M. protesters, followed by his fellow officers discharging their weapons in the confusion. The fallout might spur the Negroids into burning cities from coast to coast, assaulting every White person they see, and waging an all out war on the police. If the problem gets large enough, no one will be able to deny that there’s a problem. And, even if some still want to make excuses for their behavior, the reality will override their sentimentality.

    • Replies: @Realist
  236. Bliss says:
    @renfro

    Almost 44 percent of all military recruits came from the South”

    That looks a bit less disproportional when one realizes that 37% of Americans live in the South. I bet most folks don’t know that the South has more people than the Northeast and the Midwest combined.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @renfro
  237. @peterAUS

    practical advice re successful secession

    Answer to that is an Article V Convention [1, 2]. Not easy to get, but that’s the legal way to do it. Note that it’s called by by States, not by population.

    Most likely time to call this would be when everybody is exhausted and just wants a fig leaf of legality to end things. We’re not there yet.

    Which brings us back to Bro. Stare.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution
    2] https://www.commoncause.org/resource/u-s-constitution-threatened-as-article-v-convention-movement-nears-success/

  238. Bliss says:
    @Poupon Marx

    Nepal was never colonized by the British. How could a Nepalese wistfully long for the return of British rule as this silly nazi nordicist (lol) does?

    He is from India not Nepal. Clearly you haven’t read enough of his posts. If you had you too would be able to figure out the reasons for his bizarre racial self-loathing.

    • Replies: @Malla
  239. Civil war is not the worst way to resolve the situation but the best. Americans should not give the “progressives” any part of this country. It would be unfair for the decent people who live in the areas ceded to progressive to lose their homes, but the main reason is actually this: progressives are vermin. They are malignant, baby-murdering nihilists who take the side of evil and falsehood on all issues, all the way, all the time. They deserve to see their cause crushed and then to perish at the hands of those they so despise, namely us. Defeating them is a matter of justice and of giving ourselves a degree of satisfaction that could never be achieved any other way. But would we win a military confrontation with them? Very likely, since we are the vast majority of the military servicemen, policemen, and armed citizens.

  240. Is it time? Sure.

    Can it happen? Absolutely not.

    Do you really think the establishment would countenance the loss of any of the following:

    – military installations & facilities of any sort
    – sections of highway, anything to do with transport
    – ports
    – pipelines
    – prisons
    – substations / power plants of any kind
    – transmission lines (goodbye grid!)
    – fiber-optic cable routes
    – wherever nukes are kept (13 States, definitely not on the coasts)
    – any USNWC facility or surrounding areas for hundreds of miles
    – absolutely any site to do with oil or the energy industry
    – any site to do with mining
    – any site to do with agriculture, from raw material production to crops

    This fantasy of a balkanized America will and can not come true for the simple reason (and of course highly complex reality) of American imperial logistics. They won’t let anything go, and no one has nearly enough firepower to stop them.

    Finally, no one idly daydreaming about this would actually want to live in the human fishbowl – drone surveillance, limited supplies, raids by imperial forces, etc. – that this would create: precisely the situation enjoyed by the Palestinians, for example.

    Whites in America are undergoing injunization and there’s nothing to be done about it but hope they don’t come for you, personally.

    • Agree: Alden
  241. Comparisons to the Russian civil war having been won by the Bolsheviks are somewhat flawed. The Russian civil war saw intervention by Western powers. These powers were ostensibly supporting the Anti-Bolsheviks, in reality they did not do much, mostly overseeing the Anti-Bolshevik’s defeat. The Anti-Bolsheviks could have been supported much more with weapons and supplies than what actually happened. The Bolshevik revolution had been bankrolled by powerful banking interests, any intervention against it was hampered by their influence to begin with.

    In a hypothetical civil war on US soil there would be no equal powers that could intervene like what happened in Russia. There would still be outside powers like Mexico that likely would have the ability and inclination to intervene somewhat. Surely China and Russia would like to have a hand in it too. A civil war in the US might also be accompanied by civil wars in other Western nations that are beset by similar ills. Rather than an isolated civil war in the US, what might happen might rather be a replay of the 30 Year’s war that took place in Germany in the 17th century. It would happen on a far larger, Trans-Atlantic scale.

    The role of technology has been commented upon. The asymmetry between coercive technology wielded by the state compared to private gun ownership has grown tremendously. Russia prior to the civil war had private gun ownership. It did not help against the Bolsheviks, and that was 100 years ago. On the other hand, neither did Russia have nuclear power plants nor a computerized, all-encompassing financial sector. Technology is the state’s strength as much as it is its Achilles heel. The state absolutely depends on its technological infrastructure. The military can operate without it to a certain extent. But even the military would eventually be overwhelmed, and quickly, if the infrastructure stopped working. They would have to confront not only under-armed, under-manned red contingents. In the event of infrastructure failure, they would immediately have to confront millions of drugged-up, starving, armed gangstas from the metropolitan areas. These groups would be far more violent and far more tolerant to taking losses than what reds would ever be. Fighting them in urban surroundings would also be more difficult than fighting reds in the countryside.

    The military has also been degraded considerably through affirmative action. It’s still good for suppressing the populace, but would it still be good for war with a power like China? What if one of America’s adversaries comes to the conclusion that the US is a giant on clay feet, war breaks out and the infrastructure gets attacked and shut down? The playing field could get evened out quicker than anyone might be able to imagine. Russia experienced civil war after a series of lost external wars. The same might happen to the US.

    What if the best strategy consists of scorched-earth tactics by proxy? Let the US engage in a major war where the infrastructure gets attacked and shut down. Then try to win the civil war that would ensue. To this end, ally with suitable external powers. Let Mexico take South-Western California, it can only become better. Let the civil war run for a while to achieve a population reduction in metropolitan areas. Use Chinese and Russian help to carve out homelands elsewhere. Nuclear weapons are a big wildcard in all of that but what is there to loose anymore?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  242. Rather than balkanization, what white Americans are undergoing — is injunization.

  243. Miro23 says:
    @follyofwar

    Regarding the Electoral College, I’ve always thought it was unfair to give all of the EC votes to the winner of that state. If it went by congressional district (as is done in Nebraska and Maine), with an additional two EC votes going to the state’s winner to account for the Senate, it would not only be more fair, but it could help the conservatives. How many tens of thousands of conservative residents of California, New York, and Illinois, to name three, don’t even bother to vote for president as they know their vote is totally meaningless in such overwhelmingly blue states?

    Going back to the Red/Blue County voting map of 2016, one argument is to prioritize the real local community (i.e. the County) and make it more responsible for itself by raising and spending its own taxes on its own services.

    On that plan, each County would elect its own red or blue based local government and look after its own healthcare, schools, police etc. With most taxes raised and spent locally (and little sent Washington) – then Washington (and the Presidency) would become mostly irrelevant.

    Added benefits would be 1) Counties wouldn’t vote for ME wars 2) citizens would be much more involved in local politics – to see how their money is being spend and by who 3) they would have the psychological benefits of rebuilding communities (for example deciding what was taught in their own schools).

    The United States of America would then convert into the Confederation of American States, with each State being an association of Counties (one representative per County) and each State carrying out activates best suited to the State level, such a roads and specialist hospitals – while following the decisions of their County representatives.

    Of course, the SJW activists and Washington Zio-Glob would 100% oppose the idea – but if all States/Counties got involved in it unilaterally, it’s difficult to know what the centre would do.

  244. geokat62 says:
    @Jim Jatras

    The situation then was very different from the one we face now.

    Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying. I mistakenly assumed you had meant that the American ethnos was inherently law-abiding.

  245. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Harry Huntington

    Things will not change until conservatives recognize the real enemy is the corporation.

    Correct.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  246. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Poupon Marx

    “Breaking up is [not] hard to do”. Virginia and West Virginia did it. Czech and Slovakia did it. The Balkans did it. India and Pakistan did it.

    The Balkans? I seem to recall that that ended in a bloodbath.

    The partition of India also resulted in a bloodbath.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    , @Malla
  247. Sbaker says:
    @yes to smithereens

    The Muslim presence exposes its filthy, thieving, primitive presence. Islam jumps the species barrier and hides behind its phony mask of religion.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  248. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Germanicus

    The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.

    As a firm believer in the right of secession, I think that all 50 states should simultaneously secede, leaving Washington DC with all the debt and all their monuments to themselves.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  249. Icy Blast says:
    @BJM

    This is astonishing news indeed. It seems that Georgia and North Carolina, the two most populous Southern states, are about to bust through the eleven-million in population barrier! Wow! Meanwhile, in Fruits-and-Nuts-Land, California, there are a mere fourteen million non-Hispanic white residents, out of a total population of about 40 million. But of course, none of these people are “normal.” And California is such a tiny state, it has only 10 climate zones.

  250. Poco says:
    @Corvinus

    Since you are a corporate/government ass licker I invite you to peruse a census form. You will find there the definitions that the government considers white/non-white.
    They do not use Benjamin Franklins or vox days.
    Another tip for you is that comment pages are full of opinions. That you haven’t the intellectual wherwithal to realize this and think you have refuted something someone wrote by pointing out they have written their opinion is comical. Friend.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  251. TTSSYF says:
    @trelane

    I have said many times, on this website and others, that we need to quietly self-sort over the next decade and make Red states unquestionably, reliably Red.

  252. TTSSYF says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Yes, it’s too bad that it likely can’t unfold as Dave Mason might say — there ain’t no good guy, there ain’t no bad guy, there’s only you and me and we just disagree.

  253. TTSSYF says:
    @bruce county

    If the 2020 elections are a landslide win for conservatives in the House and Senate and a landslide win for Trump (more accurately, a landslide loss for whichever Lefty runs against him), we might be able to stave off a violent separation for a decade or so and, in the meantime, quietly vote with our feet.

  254. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    How about if you give yourself a name, Anon[335], so we can more easily follow you into battle?

  255. @Johnny Walker Read

    Ronald Reagan was a turd…….

    Sean Hannity is a turd….

  256. Realist says:
    @Cowtown Rebel

    Insurrection is probably unavoidable.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  257. Corvinus says:
    @Poco

    “Since you are a corporate/government ass licker…”

    Why are you mad, bro?

    “They do not use Benjamin Franklins or vox days.”

    They use to. Magic dirt?

    “That you haven’t the intellectual wherwithal to realize this and think you have refuted something someone wrote by pointing out they have written their opinion is comical.”

    We all have opinions. Some are stronger evidence wise than others. Clearly you do lack the mental capacity to NOTICE the difference, friend.

  258. @Malla

    MALLA

    North Indians are a multiracial group. If we are to break things down to their lowest level, upper-castes are descended from whites (Mostly male but some female) from the Caspian Sea or Ukraine or the Pontiac Steppes of Russia or Ural Mountains.

    Actually, all of the above.

    And yet Brahmin are highly intelligent. Upper-castes in general are a mental match for whites.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  259. TTSSYF says:
    @Corvinus

    Why do you bother writing such tripe over and over? Why not work with your side to come to an agreement with our side for a peaceful separation? Then you won’t have to come to this website and post comments that are never going to change the minds of anyone of us who disagrees with you. Start organizing your side and work toward a solution, rather than repeatedly saying the same thing to no effect.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Poco
  260. @Marshall Lentini

    Your infrastructure list is exactly why a Civil War is a totally insane option–not because some “good guys” would get killed by a maniacal .gov, but because the electric grid would go down fast and for the duration of the war at a minimum–and all of the country, including the military and police, would degrade into the 1800s in a hurry. (At that point there would be military and police desertions on a large scale–in a matter of weeks, especially when they realized there would be no paychecks.)

    An important Demographic element is often overlooked as well–many large cities are heavily black _and_ Hispanic–they might well devolve into their own mini civil wars–and could become no-go zones for decades.

    The generation that fought and lived through such a war (which could turn neighbor against neighbor) would _all_ be losers. The war might well last so long that people would forget why they were fighting at all.

    There is absolutely _no_ reason to believe that life would be better for future generations after such a war.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  261. Corvinus says:
    @TTSSYF

    “Why do you bother writing such tripe over and over?”

    You can say the same thing about Cathey, Sailer, Vox Day, etc.

    “Why not work with your side to come to an agreement with our side for a peaceful separation?”

    Who exactly is “my side” and “your side”? Furthermore, there is not this groundswell support for separation for either side.

    “Then you won’t have to come to this website and post comments that are never going to change the minds of anyone of us who disagrees with you.”

    Confirmation bias, it ain’t for breakfast anymore!

    “Start organizing your side and work toward a solution, rather than repeatedly saying the same thing to no effect.”

    Again, you can say the same thing about the Alt Right. Besides, the solution is not separation.

    “How about if you give yourself a name, Anon[335], so we can more easily follow you into battle?”

    How about you start an organization that is deadicated to this fight? Actions speak louder than words.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  262. Poco says:
    @TTSSYF

    He’s just a troll for corporations and the increase of the labor pool. Push the ignore button.

  263. @Marshall Lentini

    MARSHALL

    The US has an Air Force. The Pentagon would use it.

    If you watch the old film BLUE THUNDER, that was the plot. The helicopter was intended to quell black riots in the ghetto.

  264. @Justvisiting

    VISITING HOURS

    You think liberals who mourn at bombings in Yemen would care if modern-day equivalents of Kulaks got carpet bombed by F-15’s for trying to hold a primary resource hostage? If 5000 died, it would not really bother them. They would be referred to as domestic terrorists.

    The people who are most disgruntled are effectively disgruntled because where they live is no longer of value. The Rustbelt, Appalachia etc. If there was a revolt in Manhattan or Los Angeles, it matters. Ports of entry, industry, etc. Air Force cannot bomb it. But nobody cares if people in dead industrial towns are protesting. Those places have no strategic value.

    The Mexican cartels or even the Mexican government would seize the opportunity.

    White rural proles are sort of self-sufficient but blacks in the inner-cities don’t grow food. They’re welfare recipients after all. Which means they’ll cow-tow to law and order. Ironically, it would be black thugs who would be supporting law and order to suppress those damn cracker insurgents.

    Many whites talk about storming Washington. Right. In their pick up trucks in a convoy on the highway. Watch the film BLUE THUNDER again.

  265. TTSSYF says:
    @Corvinus

    “Why do you bother writing such tripe over and over?”
    You can say the same thing about Cathey, Sailer, Vox Day, etc.

    I never said they didn’t. But thanks for acknowledging that you write the same tripe over and over.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  266. @dfordoom

    You have a point. Sometimes it is easy and sometimes only the initial break is easy. India and Pakistan was botched by the British, when it could have been much cleaner.

    While the past is not always a predictor of the future, Whites should have the advantage of being able to strategize, think ahead and use more effective tactics.

  267. @Realist

    Here is how Whites can affect the easiest transition to an autocephalous state. It is the same process as Judo, which uses-like all Asian martial arts-the movement and momentum of the opponent to vanquish him.

    Have you all not noticed the public opining and even DEMANDS from various Victim and Grievance Groups for separation? Black: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Black Caucus Members, etc. They claim to be “held back” by invisible to perceive ray schism. Browns, from La Raza, to Lulacs, Aztecas, etc, etc. demand that parts of the Southwest should revert to them, from a historic basis.

    We Whites should ENTHUSIASTICALLY AGREE. Yes, you DO deserve your own piece of dirt, in proportion to you percentage of the population. And we Whites, BY DEFAULT, will be assuming ours. Now, see, everybody gets what they want. We finally are able to overcome the CENTRIFUGAL FORCES that are destroying us with the CENTRIPETAL (towards the center), which will not only preserve but resurrect the Best of the West, and improve THE BREED OF THE HERD.

    I give you the short version here. How long do you think it will be before these Black and Brown republics become dependent upon the White Republic for food and services? They simply will sink to the level of Mexico and South ChiCongo.

    We are led by the wrong people with not enough capacity to break out of cliches (The Constitution, American Renaissance cliches, etc.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  268. Anon7 says:
    @TKK

    The only solution I see affecting change would be a coordinated mass white working class shut down. We stop working. We starve the beast.

    I’ve thought about this too. What if all the white guys said “We’re taking a six month break from maintaining civilization. You’ll find the keys in the trucks, the plumber’s and electrician’s vans, the assorted Caterpillar machinery. Tools are in the cab or in the back. If you’re looking for a police officer, a fireman or a competent doctor, they’ve all decided to join us for fishing; they’ve had it, too. Let us know how things work out.”

    You can still dream, right?

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
    , @Alden
  269. @redmudhooch

    Where has this moron been for 30 years? Now your 1st amendment going bye bye, but this is no dictatorship. But its all the Beaners, Fags and Marxists fault!!!!! Dumb goyim.

    Your whole comment was spot on, but I think it’s been going on for more than 30 years. FDR’s Raw Deal and it’s variations finally let the cat out of the bag.

    The constitution, in fact, was imposed on the rest of “us” by what’s commonly referred to nowadays as fascists with their, and only their, interests in mind and it should come as absolutely no surprise.

  270. @Fool's Paradise

    Good points. Did anyone publish a response?

  271. @dfordoom

    Things will not change until conservatives recognize the real enemy is the corporation.

    Correct.

    Thanks for commenting on that or I would have missed it. I concur fully.

    • Agree: renfro
  272. @Anon7

    I’m sure there is great potential in this idea. We already know what happened when the women took leave of their responsibilities the last several decades, so now the Men should do there part. We just might have a chance after all!!

  273. Corvinus says:
    @TTSSYF

    “I never said they didn’t.”

    Yet, you believe in that “tripe”, assuming it is “tripe”, right?

    “But thanks for acknowledging that you write the same tripe over and over.”

    Actually, I was pointing out that the same argument could be made. The reality is that both are stated positions.

    So, about that organization that is deadicated to this fight of separation…

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  274. Corvinus says:
    @Poupon Marx

    “Have you all not noticed the public opining and even DEMANDS from various Victim and Grievance Groups for separation? Black: Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Black Caucus Members, etc. They claim to be “held back” by invisible to perceive ray schism. Browns, from La Raza, to Lulacs, Aztecas, etc, etc. demand that parts of the Southwest should revert to them, from a historic basis.”

    Radical groups.

    “We Whites should ENTHUSIASTICALLY AGREE.”

    Not all whites are on board. Must we?

    “which will not only preserve but resurrect the Best of the West, and improve THE BREED OF THE HERD.”

    Assuming that there are whites who are “defective”. Besides, dating and mating is really up to individuals.

    • Replies: @Disordered D
  275. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Demographically, America’s minority (Hispanic and Black) is becoming a majority.
    That’s a formula for disaster. They can’t run the country properly.

    Externally, Jews, via Israeli, control America’s foreign policy. Such an extended empire is doomed.

    Unfortunately, Trump’s Jewish familial ties don’t help. They are pushing him to extend the empire even further.

    What kind of Christian is Trump that so much of his family is Jewish via marriage or via whom they date?

    Sooner than we think, Whites and the GOP will become almost completely disenfranchised when the Democrats abolish the electoral college, legalize illegal hispanic immigrants, and lower the voting age.

    When that happens, will Whites stand for it? I think some states will secede, and there will be a civil war.

    Democrats are sick people, and the GOP is a bunch of cowards.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  276. peterAUS says:
    @Tentative Thought

    ….fighting reds in the countryside…

    Oh my…………

  277. @Anonymous

    Demographically, America’s minority (Hispanic and Black) is becoming a majority.
    That’s a formula for disaster. They can’t run the country properly.

    They can’t?

    The anti-federalists said the same thing about their white brothers and they were obviously correct.

    You may want to try and understand why that would be.

    Here’s a hint,

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    -Juvenal, Satires (Satire VI, lines 347–348).

    PS: When was the country ever run properly? Define “properly” while yer at it.

  278. Otto Zeit says:

    Having corrupt and cowardly right-wing leaders is hardly a new problem. Over 160 years ago, Robert L. Dabney (“Stonewall” Jackson’s Chaplain!) wrote what is still a perfect description of our feckless “Conservative establishment”:

    “Its history has been that it 
demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit
 by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the 
innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of “conservatism;” 
it is conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will
 tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be followed by some third 
revolution, to be denounced and then adopted in its turn.

    
“American conservatism is merely 
the shadow that follows radicalism as 
it moves forward toward perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and it always advances near its leader. This pretended salt hath
 utterly lost its savor; wherewith 
shall it be salted? Its impotency
 is
 not hard to explain. It is
 worthless because it is the conservatism of 
expediency only, and not of sturdy 
principle. It intends to risk 
nothing serious for the sake of truth”

    Are we getting the picture? Despite more than a century and a half of political turmoil – and regular changes in the political party in charge – nothing has really changed. Our “Conservative” politicians are still the bunch of posers, cowards, and turncoats that they’ve always been.

    • Agree: S, Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Alden
    , @S
  279. @Sbaker

    The Muslim presence exposes its filthy, thieving, primitive presence. Islam jumps the species barrier and hides behind its phony mask of religion.

    If true, then at least it’s consistent, along with “Christianity,” with the Abrahamic “religion” from which it sprung.

  280. @M Krauthammar

    Me me me me!
    I’m a ‘Person of Color’. According to the traitor ruling class (well not actually traitors to themselves, perhaps, just to the “natives”) I’m classified as “gammon”;
    Brexiteer, troglodyte. And male.
    Sort of pinkish/grey, then?
    FTDNA tells me we’ve been here (both sides of the kin) as a ridiculously dominant supermajority since .. 2800-2200 BC. Before Israel was even a sheep-shagging tent-toter’s onanistic wet dream. But begone we must. It is written, they say.

    We shall see … we’re quite good at the old ‘No Surrender’ routine, loads of practice.

    And stop disgracing the Clan McGrath with (((your))) hijacked surname. Why do you people do this? Ashamed of your forefathers?

  281. S says:
    @TKK

    The only solution I see affecting change would be a coordinated mass white working class shut down. We stop working. We starve the beast.

    Great concept.

    There was a little known ‘mass action’ by Whites called the ‘Red Shirts’ in the South towards the end of Reconstruction (circa 1877) which did use guns to a limited, relatively speaking, extent. Basically Whites at that time said they would no longer take part in their own ‘legal’ physical and cultural dispossession, acted on it by short circuiting the entire process, and simply took back power in the South.

    I’d never heard of it till not that long ago, but one can tell by the ample use of disparaging adjectives to describe it that the powers that be really didn’t (and don’t) like what they did.

    At the same time attention is not too loudly called to the whole affair because it’s a type of ‘people power’ (ie the ‘wrong kind’ by the ‘wrong people’) that I suspect both very much frightens and concerns them, lest history repeat itself.

    The generic idea of Euros acting as a group in their own interest, in any way, shape, or form, disturbs them more than anything.

    The Red Shirts were one of several paramilitary organizations, such as the White League in Louisiana, arising from the continuing efforts of white Democrats to regain political power in the South in the 1870s. These groups acted as “the military arm of the Democratic Party”.

    While sometimes engaging in violent acts of terrorism, the Red Shirts, the White League, rifle clubs, and similar groups in the late nineteenth century worked openly and were better organized than the secret vigilante groups such as the Ku Klux Klan..

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirts_(United_States)

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  282. Thim says:

    “Red” or “Blue” have no actual meaning, and those of you who persist in thinking in those terms still have a lot to learn. There is the Uniparty, and it wages continuous war games against itself in order to fool you into thinking they really do oppose each other. But it is a farce. There is only the Uniparty. True dissidents are weeded out at the lower levels.

    I suppose JFK really did pose a problem for the Uniparty, in that he wanted to break up the CIA. But they took care of that, and subsequently vetted all candidates more strictly. That included Reagan, and yes Trump, an ultimate insider for decades, posing as an outsider. And he fooled 100 million people. Some are still fooled by the master showman The Donald.

    So how does it end? As it usually does, in war. There will have to be a big war, which USSA loses. The center no longer holds. Texas secedes. Others follow. A lot of conflict, even civil war. People filter out by race. Regional ethnic enclaves.

    Texas has its own grid, and now its own gold backed currency. It will start there.

  283. peterAUS says:
    @S

    Informative.

    ….rifle clubs, and similar groups….

    in particular.

  284. @Otto Zeit

    That is one of the sweetest comments I’ve seen anywhere. I call the SoBs CINOs.

  285. Anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    They’re cunning, clannish, and dishonest. They’re Gujaratis with White skin.

    If they integrate better, it’s because they intermarried a lot in the past and their descendants assimilated in. Their White physical appearance and Christian religious identity make it easy for them to lose their distinctiveness.

    • Replies: @Malla
  286. @Cowboy

    The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.


    King Friedrich Wilhelm I. of Prussia decreed 15 December 1726 in a cabinet order:

    We order and command in all earnestness, Advocates have to wear, herby by our order, woolen long black coats, which last to the knees, so that these rascals can be spotted from far away and be avoided.

    • LOL: Malla
  287. Alden says:
    @bamalamadingdong

    The south is where the blacks cluster. What will be done to civilize them? Atlanta New Orleans St Louis and Memphis are all among the 10 most crime ridden cities in the country. Will you expel Tyson and it’s hordes of Hispanic immigrant voters? Aren’t some states about 20 or more percent black?

    It’s a good idea except for the blacks and Hispanics already there.

    11 states tried to succeed in 1861. It didn’t succeed

  288. Alden says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Again with your tall tales.

    By 1975, no one, no one was migrating to Detroit and suburbs for jobs except for crooked mid eastern convenience store owners guaranteed SBA loans and tax exemptions for locating in black neighborhoods.

    And how did you know either their religion or, if Protestant if they were descended from Ulster Protestants? The Scotch and Irish names beginning with Mc and Mac are often confused.

    The real Irish that Cromwell sold as slaves in Virginia forget Catholicism in a generation as it was a crime to be a catholic priest in Colonial America. So they joined Protestant churches and became indistinguishable from the Scots Irish Ulstermen Protestants.

    2 people mentioned the Ulstermen and now you’re adding another White ethnicity to your expertise. Because of your endless hatred of White Americans, I doubt very much your White..

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  289. Pick a night. That night, every right winger gets his gun and shoots two Libtards. Problem solved.

  290. Alden says:
    @Icy Blast

    I agree completely. I don’t mind heat and humidity. I could probably afford a weekly Terminex attack on the cockroaches. But blacks? Never. I’m all in favor of open carry and the 2nd amendment, but why move from a state where I’ve never been a victim of a crime in my life to a state where I only feel safe if I carry a gun at all times? There’s a reason for open carry laws and it’s self defense by Whites against blacks.

    Then there’s abortion. Those states are making abortions harder and harder to get. That means more black welfare babies who will continue to destroy the schools and become criminals. But conservatives seem to want more and more black babies until Whites are overwhelmed in those states.

    Then there’s the blacks in public schools Totally unacceptable. I suppose the fundamentalist Christian schools would be Ok if they didn’t rant about the scarlet woman of Rome the whores of Babylon, the rapture and anti Christ too much.

    Think I’ll stay in a state with only 5 percent blacks.

    Anyway, I’m not a conservative, I’m a White Nationalist.

  291. Alden says:
    @Otto Zeit

    I hate to be a nagging old witch, but conservatives are not pro White and never have been.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @TTSSYF
  292. Alden says:
    @Anon7

    You’d need the lawyers programmers and the professional and clerical types as well.

    Unfortunately the government offices wouldn’t be affected by a White strike as they are all staffed by minority women.

    It’s a great idea though.

  293. Rich says:
    @Thim

    JFK posed no threat to the CIA. He was taken out by LBJ and his cronies because they thought he was going to drop LBJ for Connolly. When Lee Harvey gets shot, notice how all the guys standing around with their hands in their pockets are wearing cowboy hats and not CIA issued sunglasses?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @SBaker
  294. Baxter says:

    “Think I’ll stay in a state with only 5 percent blacks”
    You lucky bastard. I envy your situation. I live in the Deep South, born and reared (or raised if you prefer). The media is controlled by the hard left and any criticism of blacks is unacceptable. Blacks have been transformed into a sacred people, but most people know the reality of the situation. Georgia, North Carolina and Florida will be tipping to the left very soon on account of the demographic transformation.
    I’ll say this, it’s going to be very interesting to see how things work out when an entire state becomes Detroit, or Baltimore or Memphis, or New Orleans or Birmingham.
    The venerable Fred Reed prophesied this once before. I believe he mentioned ‘white flight’ on a state wide scale. And then what? You will be left with another Haiti.
    I believe this is the direction the country is going.

    • Replies: @Rich
  295. Anonymous[825] • Disclaimer says:

    they push for open borders and what amounts to “population replacement” of natives by illegal aliens

    Interesting that Whites should now consider themselves the natives under threat of being replaced. Didn’t they for starters do worse by killing, replacing and corralling the original natives into Indiostans? Doesn’t take long for the United States of Amnesia to get back to business as usual.

  296. @silviosilver

    They’ve been successfully preventing serious people from taking over for decades. What makes you think they intend to lose control of the immigration issue now?

    Conservatism Inc. is like those insect control schemes whereby a bunch of males are sterilized and then released to mate with the females. Mating occurs but none of the eggs will hatch.

    Conservatism Inc. is a massively sterile mating scheme. Resist responding to its mating calls.

  297. TTSSYF says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus — we simply do not care what you say. You are spitting in the wind.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  298. Rich says:
    @Baxter

    You guys are in big trouble down there, especially Georgia where a strange breed of crazy Pale skinned voters are liberal nuts to go along with the chocolate voters. Insane black communist Stacey Abrams lost the governorship by less than 1.5% of the vote. It was a different story when I was stationed down there in the 80s, but even then you could sense change was coming. I don’t know what you’re going to do, it’ll be South Africa in the old Confederacy within 20 years. I blame Lee for losing at Gettysburg.

  299. dfordoom says: • Website
    @TKK

    The only solution I see affecting change would be a coordinated mass white working class shut down. We stop working. We starve the beast.

    What our masters really fear is not white nationalism, it’s the re-emergence of an organised working class. It’s the re-emergence of a strong trade-union movement. They are terrified that the working class will turn its back on identity politics and embrace class politics.

    Anyone who encourages whites to adopt the identity politics strategy is simply acting as a willing tool of our elites.

  300. renfro says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    There was no white flight to the north……there was a black flight to the North in the 50’s thru early 60’s …to Detroit and other industrialized cities.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  301. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Alden

    I hate to be a nagging old witch, but conservatives are not pro White and never have been.

    Conservatives are pro-rich white people. They’re pro anyone who is rich. They’re anti anyone who isn’t rich.

  302. S says:
    @Otto Zeit

    Are we getting the picture? Despite more than a century and a half of political turmoil – and regular changes in the political party in charge – nothing has really changed. Our “Conservative” politicians are still the bunch of posers, cowards, and turncoats that they’ve always been.

    Quite true.

    Adding a bit of confusion to the entire thing is that the northeastern ‘progressives’ of 1860 were the Republican Party and the Dems were the ‘conservatives’, a complete reversal regarding the two parties present positions. It just shows the two parties are ultimately interchangeable…not a dime’s worth of difference, etc, as they march ever onward to their final ‘synthesis’.

    Just as the ‘progressives’ cynically and shamelessly used the Vietnam War as a cover to advance their cause by leaps and bounds in the 1960’s, they did the same in the 1860’s it would appear using the US Civil War.

    The ‘Radical’ Republicans of Massachusetts and other New England States by mid war were fairly openly associating their ‘abolition’ cause with people espousing the ‘race problem’ of the soon to be released millions of African slaves be ultimately resolved by the ‘mixing’ of the races.

    The speech excerpted and linked below was delivered to the US House by Ohio congressional representative Samuel Cox on February 5, 1864. It’s very telling and worth the time to read.

    It was entitled ‘Miscegenation or Amalgamation’..

    ‘We love our opposites.’

    ‘..the perfect type of the future will be that of the blended race, with the sunny hues of the South tinging the colorless complexion of the icy North. But it is needless further to particularize. The sympathy Mr. Greeley, Mr. Phillips, and Mr. Tilton feel for the negro is the love which the blonde bear for the black; it is a love of race, a sympathy stronger to them than the love they bear to woman. It is founded upon natural law. We love our opposites.’

    ‘After a year or two some member from New England will come here recognizing the great fact that four million blacks are mixing more or less, and ought to mix more with the whites of the country, and will advocate a bureau of another kind — a department for the hybrids who are cast upon tho care of the Government by this system of miscegenation..’

    https://archive.org/stream/miscegenationora00coxs/miscegenationora00coxs_djvu.txt

    • Replies: @Otto Zeit
    , @Otto Zeit
  303. renfro says:
    @Bliss

    that the South has more people than the Northeast and the Midwest combined.

    Nope. Go find yourself what is called a lights map (shows US population lighted up) or any other map of US area populations.
    The North East corridor is the most heavily populated area in the country.
    Depending on what you call the South….(the South does not consider Texas or Florida to be in the South)….you will see that most of the population is centered in cities like Charlotte , Atlanta, Nashville, etc..

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Bliss
  304. renfro says:
    @Bliss

    Almost 44 percent of all military recruits came from the South”

    As for that…the WSJ did an article on this several years ago lamenting the fact so many ‘officers’ in the military were Southern….as if they were a danger to the establishment or elite and might throw a military coup……some of the objections quoted in the article were from our Jewish neocons at JINSA…..lol.

  305. @Alden

    ALDEN

    You’re from San Francisco, what would you know about Southeast Michigan?

    The Arab merchants did not really begin to emerge as a commercial force until the eighties and were not ubiquitous until the nineties.

    In the seventies the immigrants joining the auto-plant labor force were internal migrants from the South and from Canada. The migration from the South to Detroit started in the Depression and did not end until the early eighties when offshoring of the auto plants really got underway.

    How would you know? You purport to be a landlord and probate officer from the West Coast. Have you ever even been in the Upper Midwest in your entire life?

    “The real Irish forget Catholicism” Really? Apart from bad grammar, you seem unaware that the Roman Catholic church was established by Irish immigrants.

  306. @renfro

    RENFRO

    What are you kidding me? We used to call Ypsilanti “Ypsi-tucky”. Thousands of Southerners came North to work at Willow Run. I-23 was known as the “hillbilly highway”. Eminem, for example, was born in Kansas and was part of the late migration of the early seventies.

    The black migration started in WWII. Mostly from Mississippi.

    The Polish came earlier.

  307. Otto Zeit says:
    @S

    “Adding a bit of confusion to the entire thing is that the northeastern ‘progressives’ of 1860 were the Republican Party and the Dems were the ‘conservatives’, a complete reversal regarding the two parties present positions. It just shows the two parties are ultimately interchangeable…not a dime’s worth of difference, etc, as they march ever onward to their final ‘synthesis’.”

    Thanks for that observation. The Uniparty often changes its face (or its costume, depending on the metaphor), but its underlying identity never diversifies.

  308. Otto Zeit says:
    @S

    “Adding a bit of confusion to the entire thing is that the northeastern ‘progressives’ of 1860 were the Republican Party and the Dems were the ‘conservatives’, a complete reversal regarding the two parties present positions. It just shows the two parties are ultimately interchangeable…not a dime’s worth of difference, etc, as they march ever onward to their final ‘synthesis’.”

    Thanks for that observation. The Uniparty often changes its face (or its costume, depending on the metaphor), but its underlying identity never diversifies.

  309. TTSSYF says:
    @Alden

    Didn’t mean to disagree with your comment.

  310. @Thim

    Another retard who projects his fantasies on the reprobate JFK….

  311. Sparkon says:
    @Rich

    JFK posed no threat to the CIA.

    Obviously you haven’t cracked a history book.

    John F. Kennedy famously described his desire to “splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds” after the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. Peter Kornbluh points out in his book Bay of Pigs Declassified that the State Department at that same time proposed the CIA be stripped of its covert action capacity and renamed. However, the CIA escaped any serious repercussions — partly because, as Kornbluh explains, the CIA’s then-director, John McCone, made sure that most of the copies of a damning report on the Bay of Pigs by the agency’s own inspector general were literally burned.

    https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/in-1974-call-to-abolish-cia-sanders-followed-in-footsteps-of-jfk-truman/

    There is no need for the United States to break apart.

    Rather, we need honest politicians and public servants.

    That’s it.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Rich
  312. Excellent article! And the answer is: Yes, it is time for America to break apart. I have written an article describing how and why to do that here:

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/12/26/breaking-point/

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  313. Corvinus says:
    @TTSSYF

    “Corvinus — we simply do not care what you say. You are spitting in the wind.”

    Of course you care. We normies are the key to your success. You have to convince us to be on your side.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  314. SBaker says:
    @bamalamadingdong

    Oburka’s party represents a collection of progs, parasites, the non-productive and socialist control freaks seeking government domination of every aspect of citizens’ lives–mind your own business is a foreign concept to this group. This is the clear divider between what he/it represents and what his opponents represent. Some in the opposition parties are representing the productive in society, the taxpayers, the entrepreneurs, the working class backbone forced to support their own and those that demorats represent.
    I remind you, 48% of the population pays no federal income tax–these are the progs,libs and the organized communities of illiterates. If one views voter demographics across parties, you will find a glaring disparity between democrats and the others. Demos are well advanced in the area of ignorance and minimal education. Demos have the advantage in HS dropouts, low (but biased) standardized test scores, and poor work performance. Furthermore they hold the record in food stamp recipients (44 million now on stamps), subsidized housing, subsidized utilities, and the rest of the handouts. They should really consider changing the party names from democrat to the non-productive or parasite party versus the taxpayer party. Finally, the new class most favored by the demrats are the illegal aliens–the new class of darling criminals flooding the country.

  315. SBaker says:
    @Rich

    JFK was one of the worst–binding the US to the Vietnam fiasco. His brother was the driving force behind the 1965 immigrant act that brought the stream of 3rd world scum in by the millions. The kennedy patriarch made the family fortune drug running during prohibition. The old media empire fabricated the phony Camelot renaming which most of saw right through.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  316. Sparkon says:
    @SBaker

    JFK was one of the worst–binding the US to the Vietnam fiasco.

    Nope.

    By October 1963, Pres. Kennedy had ordered all U.S. forces out of Vietnam by the end of 1965.

    The big escalation to over 500,000 U.S. troops came under LBJ after JFK was assassinated. Pres. Kennedy inherited U.S. policy from Ike and Truman, but had grown to understand that the conflict could not be won by the United States, that it was up to the people of Vietnam to decide their own fate.

    http://bostonreview.net/us/galbraith-exit-strategy-vietnam

  317. @anarchyst

    I looked at the stats after the 2016 election. If you take away California, Trump won by 1.5 million votes. With California, he “allegedly” lost by 3 million, meaning Hillary carried the former Golden State by an unbelievable 4.5 million, or well over 70% of the vote. So, if you want the Big Cities, (with non-white majorities and non-citizens voting), and California to rule over the rest of the country, by all means go to a nationwide popular vote – which would make voter fraud much easier, too.

    BTW, I think my argument for EC votes by Congressional district is strengthened when looking at the numbers. With the ability to pick off many districts in California, NY, Texas, and Florida, the more conservative traditional Americans (who are not necessarily republicans) would have much less to fear from huge states turning forever blue. And discouraged America-first conservatives in the deep blue states of Cal and NY might even think it’s worthwhile voting for potus again.

  318. Since these people are not questioning 911 2001.. I dont think its independent thoughts but mass psychosis by the elites who are propagating the fantasy. Its like the stock markets.. when its going up everyone’s a master and knows exactly what a stock will do.. even the garbage collectors will give you tips.. same thing except here it is about reality..

  319. @Gene Urtel

    “this future war will begin …..or at least to a proposed, legislated penalty on their property (the outlawing of slavery in U.S. territories).”

    Correction: Abe Lincoln invaded the South over taxes, not slavery. Nobody goes to war to do something nice for somebody else. Read his First Inaugural Address.

    Now back to the main story…

  320. @Sparkon

    Rather, we need honest politicians and public servants.

    Once a system has been corrupted so that corruption is systemic, it can’t be fixed from within the broke system.

    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, homeschooling is the best, I wish we had this option, it is prohibited.
    They now try to enforce vaccinations via schools, school attention is compulsory, they won’t let your children in without being vaccinated. No attention equals fines, and more trouble.

    However, you can’t leave public education in these nutty hands as well. They turn your children ticking time bombs.

  321. @David Erickson

    I think your essay overlooks a crucial point.
    The Us is an empire, it has imperial long term interests, strategic goals, resources, war planning. Or exporting all the destructive “values” in the colonies and enemies, by force if necessary, to create a kind of default imperial citizen.
    A change in the swamp has also consequences in the colonies, so from imperial point of view, you can’t allow the break up of the homeland, the core business model.

    In a hypothetical secession war or civil war, I would expect the Police to be the proxy of the oligarch mafia, they protect the empire, but the question is, how much do the US military still protect the private rights of US citizens?
    I think the lines would be very blurred if it came to that.
    Trump said things that threatened the empire, eg obsolete NATO, an obvious truth, a vassal club. However, the empire have already bend him to be in line with imperial interests.

    It is not only the US fighting for survival, but also the US empire.

  322. One man’s racism is another man’s pattern recognition.

    Racism is realism, and I’m proud to be a realist.

    Diversity is divisive… segregation is the only moral solution.

    The left are insane with lefkaphobia: fear of whites.

  323. @Colin Wright

    You are correct that existing state borders would for the most part be useless for splitting the country, but this article didn’t specify that existing state borders would be used. In fact the article didn’t actually specify any details at all on the mechanics of how the split could be accomplished. But the only practical way to accomplish a split would be to mostly use the current congressional district boundaries, which have largely been gerrymandered to separate red from blue. The exception would be those cases where a particular congressional district was huge geographically. In most of those areas it would be better to use existing county borders. For a complete description of how this separation could be accomplished see:

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/12/26/breaking-point/

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  324. peterAUS says:
    @David Erickson

    Good article.

    Very basic, of course, perhaps even naive in some elements (understandable at this stage), but good for initiating some thoughts about the topic.

  325. Rich says:
    @Sparkon

    The only attribution we have that JFK said that was an anonymous quote from the NY Times. I don’t trust the Times and I rarely trust anonymous sources, although they do occasionally serve a purpose. The only thing we can go by, is what did JFK actually do when in office? Did he make any moves against the CIA? Obviously, he supported their covert war in Indochina and never sought to reduce their funding in his short time in office. We do have other sources that say he was going to drop Johnson and is then assassinated in Johnson’s state where LBJ wielded a lot of power. Johnson’s people would already have had plenty of resources, would have known the route JFK was going to take, had the patsy, had Ruby and had the means. The CIA wouldn’t have been able to put such a complex operation into action in the short period that JFK’s route was released. It’s all theoretical, though, we’ll never know the truth.

  326. Hail says: • Website

    Note for posterity:

    On July 29, 2019, Lew Rockwell himself reposted this essay (“Is it Time for America to Break Apart” by Boyd Cathey) to his long-running, major libertarian site LewRockwell.com, earning the article, I presume, thousands of more views today, and perhaps cumulatively hundreds of thousands there alone, in due course.

    LewRockwell.com’s lead article today was the thematically-related “Mises on Secesssion.”

  327. denk says:

    Gawd damn,
    Just do it !

    Break up the unitedsnakes,
    GIve the world a break.

    • Replies: @Malla
  328. Doug1943 says:

    It’s very hard to contemplate, but I believe the dissolution of the Union is a real possibility, perhaps triggered by some national humiliation administered by a newly-dominant China and/or a big economic crisis.

    In any such conflict, there are two political-strategic considerations. (Of course, the final outcome will be effected by blood and iron and which side can mobilize these most effectively. But accumulating the forces to expend that blood and wield that iron is a political questions.)

    The first question is legitimacy. There is a huge advantage to being seen to be the defender of legality, of legitimacy. This may be a question, as it was with Japan, of ‘making them fire the first shot’. Or more generally, as the Bolsheviks did, ‘making offense look like defense’. But it will be important in the minds of many.

    The second question is the political character of the new ‘Old Republic’ state, the one the Left will be fighting against. It will be a great temptation to make its base narrow: all white, hard conservative. That would be an enormous strategic error: the hard Left hate all policemen, and all military men — but a signifcant section of these are non-white. Non-whites must feel welcome in the ‘traditional’ ‘Old Republic’ side. We must be seen to be defending traditional America and traditional American values — the values of Eisenhower and John F Kennedy.

    In any conflict like this, there will be determined people on both sides, but they will be a minority. There will be a spectrum spread between them, a majority, and each side will contend to win the support, or at least passive neutrality, of that broad middle. Success in doing this is actually a military question, because in a civil war, support, or at least non-opposition, from as many people as possible is a very important strategic aim.

    We will have to ‘take the high ground and hold it’, and not only in the geographic sense.

    • Replies: @Konsole
  329. Awesome article. Walter Williams published a similar essay 6-7 years ago, opining the our societal differences are too immense to overcome, and the only forseeable solution will be for secession or division. I say let the Mississippi river be the dividing line. Peoples Republic of North America on one side, the democratic republic of the USA on the other. Everyone will have 4 years to choose and migrate before the borders get closed.

  330. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Yes true, but South Indians are mixed too.

  331. Malla says:
    @Anon

    They’re cunning, clannish, and dishonest. They’re Gujaratis with White skin.

    Yes true.

  332. Malla says:
    @denk

    Break up the unitedsnakes,

    Happy to see you denki in the White Nationalist camp.

    • Replies: @denk
  333. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Nepal was never colonized by the British.

    Not in the same way as India but Nepal was a British protectorate. How do you explain Gurkhas in the British Army today?

    I am not from Nepal but from the neighboring region to Nepal called UP or Uttar Pradesh. My ancestors at least.

    bizarre racial self-loathing.

    It is simply bluntly speaking the truth.

    Speaking the truth is far more dignified than a Negroid liar whose ancestors were savage naked mudhut dwellers and who wishes to appropriate my culture to forward his demented and twisted racial supremacist lies.

  334. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Upper-castes in general are a mental match for whites.

    Not sure. Maybe a few of us. Our ancestors mixed bred with primitive Australoid black adivasis (tribals).

  335. @c matt

    The Constitution everyone loves to mention has been used as an ass wipe for decades and has been flushed down the toilet years ago. The system we’ve had running things has been a joke, and has become more of a joke in the last 40 to 50 years. We need something of a strong man running things provided things pointed in the right direction. As long as most of America can continue to have its boobs, booze and sportsball, not many would mind a little authoritarianism.

  336. denk says:
    @Malla

    A civil war perhaps ?

    murkkans fighting amongst themselves’d be nice…no time to fight the world.

    Give the world a breather.

    hehehe

    • Replies: @Malla
  337. Malla says:
    @denk

    Give the world a breather.

    And you think the chosen ((Tribe)) will ever give the World a breather? Their Tikkun Olam will stop?? Do not be foolish. If not the USA they will look for a new host until Greater Israel becomes the sole superpower on earth. Will the new host be Zhōngguó or Bharat? Or both Zhōngguó and Bharat as fake enemies run by the same tribe? Just like the fake USA-USSR cold War.

    Washington-Moscow Axis—> Washington-Beijing Axis—-> Beijing-New Delhi Axis

    hehehehehe

    • Replies: @denk
  338. denk says:
    @Malla

    Forget about China, this is the Indian century,

    ‘Boris Johnson has appointed three Indian-origin leaders in his top ministerial team. While Priti Patel has been named as the home secretary, Alok Sharma has been appointed as the international development secretary and Rishi Sunak as the chief secretary to the Treasury.’

    You guys are unstoppable now.

    Told you so,
    hehehe

  339. The division in America is rural versus urban so dividing America would be a huge problem unless America is going to become a nation of city-states.

    Trump won 84.3% of the counties in the US and lost the popular vote. He won the electoral college by a significant margin. He lost almost all of the urban centers of America even those in conservative states.

    So the post is just nonsense. It is the same crap that happens every time there is an election. The losers refuse to allow the winners to do much of anything. Checks and balances of a democratic republic.

  340. Probably should get rid of these people first.

    What started out as minor harassment, which led to landing at an apartment which was a “Truman Show” setup, to uncovering the filth and depravity of the “Illuminati”, of which members include high profile personalities, business magnates, and the highest ranking government offices in the United States including the Presidency, has now finally culminated into getting enough eyes on the story to ensure justice is served. Some of the high profile names include Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Nancy Pelosi, Charles Schumer, George Soros, and Ed Koch to mention a few.

    Inside this report one can find bribes in excess of $15 billion dollars total, 50 plus child rapes and killings, murder-for-hire plots, and dozens more RICO felonies. An excerpt from the report, which is linked below:

    At 230 a conversation is occurring on the embedded Porter camera system with Jack Dorsey, Peter Thiel, Barack Obama, Bill Murray, and the Porter’s. Jack Dorsey provides a statement defining who their group is: “The Illuminati is an underground organization of child rapists and homosexuals.” Matthew Porter: “We have to thin the herd, so Barack is going to explain a few things.” At 232 Barack Obama says the following: “You people have to realize we are child rapists. The Illuminati are child rapists. As soon as you figure that out, you can decide what to do. Everybody is freaking out about what just happened [child raping event still going on]. This is who we are.”

    https://s3.wasabisys.com/aviewmefirst/FBI_FinalDraft_26Jul2019_BSchlenker.pdf

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  341. We can’t allow the Socialists to take over our country and I don’t trust that the people that be, will let Trump win again. These people in charge of the world don’t care about “We The People” so we might indeed have to have a Revolution. I’m ready, I will fight for my country and my families future
    if I have to.

  342. Malacaay says:

    Death and dissolution of the world’s cancer Murica cannot come quick enough. That abomination is the parasite on the whole world. Can you imagine, 1/3 of the world’s resources is being consumed by 4.2% of world’s population, the most degenerate, depraved scum who ever walked the Earth, all so masonic order can play fantasy of cosmopolitan global man comprised of everything which Murica is the embodiment of.

  343. Malacaay says:
    @Jason Liu

    Murica is only held together by usd reserve currency used to purchase vast amounts of resources and goodies from the rest of the world. Once that 4.2% of world population known as citizens of United Murica will no longer be able to consume 1/3 of world’s resources, then what? You think the whole world will continue to support, pay and subsidize amero lifestyles so that ameros can play liberal games of that liberté, égalité, fraternité foul farce, hmm? Pedro, that’s not even material for fantasies.

  344. Malacaay says:
    @M Krauthammar

    Rich lifestyles you are accustomed of is provided to you by white race, its talents, intelligence and ingenuity you do not possess. You (that is, your descendants’ Mulat race) won’t be able to sustain such society much less to build one itself. It is my observation that Mulat race is a kind of emo trash which is extremely centered at narcissistic, self-absorbed and indulgent things (more so than even Afro negroid race) and suffers from moral depravity chronic lack of intelligence, which by itself means that no collective will be forming from that kind. In other words, your descendants’ Mulat race will resemble Africans, and everyone can see what kind of societies Afros can build. White race will not nurse and caretake your foul offsprings’ race. They want to care and support their own biological existence, as is natural for all living organisms: all organism care and raise their own seed, not someone else’s. That’s basic Nature.

    Having said that, I have no doubt that white women, being raised in liberal setup as harlots and hookers, tend to be attracted to muscled and athletic talkative negroes, but you should all that white society was build by unattractive yet highly cerebral-developed white people and it is them who is sustaining you, thus it is them who need to be elevated to their rightful social place instead of worthless pretty people whose only talent is to look presentable and whore themselves. Pretty white people tend to take these things for granted since they have unearned, not deserved and unmerited social status in white society and they think their polluted Mulat race offspring will too.

    In your Murican example, you are only tolerated because of +3 trillion (if accounting is done honestly and properly) usd deficit you run this year, which is allowing you to live comfortable lifestyles still. But ask yourself treacherous, tramp liberal woman, how is your liberal blighted society is going to cope without 3 trillion usd deficits, once you have to pay with real things those goods, resources and services you are so greedily devouring, how is that society going to look then especially if we add white’s race craving to free themselves from the burden of having to nurse and care for Mulat and Negroid African race?

    Like I said unfaithful liberal woman, the future is not going to be this liberal paradise Mulat and Negroid races now enjoy. neither will it be kind to your unfaithful liberal kind which will have to take care of negroid race by itself. You will be left to build society with negroids and to breed with them, white race will separate itself from your liberal parasitic embrace. You should ask yourself what your descendants future is going to look like without whites to suckle and sustain them. It won’t be pretty. They might end up as bitches for Afros, since Afro is physically a stronger race than Mulat one is. What kind of life is there for the Mulat race offspring of those women you mentioned without white race they suckle due to the treachery of their foul female parents, hmm? You probably think whites are going to let them and their offspring pollute whites’ biological existence just like their mothers have done, hmm? They won’t as it means death to white race biological existence. All altruism will be gone before long, and then a long-awaited dose of reality will visit your kind. O you’ll speak of cruel world then, libtardo woman. Your arrogance, joy and pride will not remain. But that is just a part of the price of transgression.

  345. Malacaay says:
    @Parfois1

    But Murica is not Roman Imperium. Murica was build in part on Roman civilization, mimicking greatness of ancient Roman state and culture. Roman state and civilization was multicultural one. That is one of many differences. All of the Mediterranean was part of it with all its rich cultures. There were numerous languages spoken throughout the Imperium, whereas all of Murica only speak one. But we are similar people throughout Mediterranean, and of the same race also, so certainly mutually compatible — nothing like the situation Murica is in for sure. That multicultural set has many advantages as those rich cultures and its people are preserved and they can still give birth to their biological distinctive selves and thus also retain its cultural creation. That is the problem with imperialism per se, because people who are imperial always lose their distinctive qualities due to breeding with differing people causes the loss off qualities; kinds should only ever breed with its similar kinds, for only that retains or advances their specialized gene set; interbreeding only causes dissipation and loss of those qualities your people and culture had been sharpening for countless of generations before you were even born, thus reducing you to average. Once you are average, you are good for nothing; only excellence is something one should ever strive for.

    But it is good to finally see one major source which caused the fall of Rome. Liberals. Worthless liberal mammals who couldn’t and wouldn’t fight; who only care for their selfish desires, sensual debaucheries and comforting, safe, indulgent life. Aren’t the parallels vividly sparkling, for liberals today are also inviting barbarians in, and they too will certainly not fight barbarian hordes, rather they will spread their legs for that is their nature. They are disgusting, whorish kind through-and-through. Treacherous and disloyal. Liberals are humanoid rot. If you want to survive, you must enslave liberals. Either you end liberals, or liberals will end you. That is the lesson.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  346. Malacaay says:
    @follyofwar

    Wall won’t save white world in Murica. Disintegration is inevitable. You can start contemplating which states and lands you can take for yourself and start finally guarding and protecting your biological existence. Everything of humanoid world can be resurrected – states, institutions, systems, formats or any organization, but once your biological existence is gone, it is gone. There is no coming back from that. It’s very easy to lose something, while damn hard to create. Think of a tree. How easy it is to chop it down and kill, while how hard and strenuous to grow it, isn’t it? Such is the state of affairs with your distinctive biological existence.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  347. @Malacaay

    There is no clearer case of sticking together for the betterment of your tribe than the example of the Jews. They fight among themselves, of course, but always come together on the things that matter most – like the continuation and success of the Chosen Ones. Non-Jewish whites rail against nepotism, except when Jews do it, which they do every day. They are not smarter than everyone else, just more tenacious for the success of their people. It is too late for most whites to learn this basic message. If you do not work together to protect your tribe, you will die.

    But I disagree somewhat with your final paragraph, Malacaay. Liberals are a scourge upon whites, no doubt, but so is Conservatism, Inc, which includes most of the GOP. They believe that US soil is somehow “Magic Dirt,” and that, upon entering, the interlopers, whether legal or the other kind, will magically transform themselves into productive citizens. To them, it does not matter where they came from. All our welcome to this great polyglot land (no longer a nation in any sense) – which is actually bankrupt and sinking fast.

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  348. Malacaay says:
    @follyofwar

    My tribe is not Jewish, but we are also tribal people, possibly more so than the Jews. Tribes are primal collective forms, only families are older. Nationhoods are of only recent dating. Very unstable collective form as it is comprised of many a tribe, which must all be related to each other through blood (genes, ethnical and racial) as well as cultural (traditional) ties. Observe how you managed to create a nationhood appearance from Euro tribes which themselves created various euro nations just a while earlier on cultural grounds, but you couldn’t possibly make an appearance of one with African negroid, Mulat or ever Asian race, n matter how much freemasons try so. It is proven humanoid nature that only familiar (family) and tribal forms of collectives are stable since the birth of humanoids as a social specie. Tens of thousands years of history can prove it. Humanoids have very hard time relating to each other even in pure nationhood collectives, due to competition and rivalries which prop up between the tribes, while in imperial one it is a completely impossible and unnatural task. These are small lectures about collective forms. You too will learn how to be tribal as white race numeros dwindle down. Part of treacherous white kind which does not is already called liberals, and as you can observe yourself, they are breeding with other humanoid races and creating their Mulat race offspring. It’s a survival concern. You are already showing signs of tribal awareness. You are only going to sharpen your tribal instincts, just as your forefathers have done so thousands of years prior. This spawned liberal degeneracy was a completely unnecessary abomination created by the freemasonry. Luckily it will only hasten the break up of even unstable nationhood constructs, let alone these imperial ones which Murica now resembles. Natural order will return. Such is imperative of Nature.

    As for your mentioning of conservatives, people in Murica have a habit of saying that “conservatives are liberals who haven’t been mugged yet.” Is that a not true saying? I heard it many a time. It reveals everything one needs to know about that social movement, fake conservatism — i.e. liberalism dressed up as its opposite, for meaning of the very description of its name (conserve) is to protect from harm or loss; to preserve. Yet that liberal social and political movement endorses the very things which are ending even the biological existence of its followers, let alone protecting economic, cultural and social interests of its followers which is tasked to protect. It’s completely fake. Even half-wits can see that.

  349. One only need read “The Federalist Papers” to help decide that preserving the union is as desirable now as when the Constitution was about to be ratified.

  350. @Sean McBride

    I wrote it over the last two plus months. I’m trying to get visibility and traction. If you read you will understand why. It’s the insane situation I have been living in, constant stifling and stonewalling to hide the truth.

    Obama, Dorsey, and Thiel are a child rapists. Pelosi $3 billion to help, Trump $4 billion. Many others, all content proven unequivocally within.

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  351. Malla says:
    @dfordoom

    The partition of India also resulted in a bloodbath.

    If the Brits would have stayed a little longer it would not have been a blood bath. But that crackpot Atlee was an idiot. The author of the Indian constitution and leader of the lower caste dalits, Dr. Ambedkar called the leftist Clement Atlee a fool.

  352. Malla says:
    @renfro

    The Southerners were first class fighting men, probably one of the best warrior peoples of the world at their time. But the North was more industrial and technologically advanced and thus had an advantage in wealth and logistics.

  353. @beeschlenker

    Documents like this, at a cursory glance, invite speculation about the following possibilities:

    1. disinformation
    2. mental health issues (paranoid schizophrenia, etc.)
    3. prank or hoax
    4. social science experiment
    5. truth

  354. Yes, thankfully, it’s over, and “we” all, unfortunately, are in the death throes. With the signing of the constitution, I would argue that the American experiment was doomed to do so from the start.

    For all the sophistry involved in the discussion of the subject, that’s all it is; mere sophistry. No cogent or coherent logic. All the constitution did was exchange one form of statism (monarchy) for another form of statism (representative democracy). This is not an improvement. There is still a state and that state will use its coercive/violent nature to force people to make choices that they may not otherwise in its absence.

    The “public choice” theorists can have their wet-dream. I just want to opt-out of the matrix and live where everything is privately-owned and run, thanks.

  355. Bruno Chapski [AKA "bruno"] says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I enjoyed this logical thinking. I once went with the daughter of a high ranking German officer. He was an interesting chap and obsessed with Stalingrad. He used to reiterate something like, “What if we had won that desolate bombed out real estate? Was it worth dying for? How would we leave if we had won? Our supply lines were too long, after a long and tiring night we had shot all our sperm… ” NY? LA? MoTown? Who wants them?

    Somewhere in the commentary a fellow referred to the impossibility of relocation and (2) the USA is not the USSR. Population relocation has been done in regional city states and country sides over Mother Earth’s playground. Despite the logistics, it can be done here. Stalin moved Crimea populations, Ukrainians, Poles, Balts and Germans… Had he not expired he’d have relocated Jews.

  356. Ace says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    How were moneyed interests favored in the original constitutional scheme?

    States were forbidden to alter the obligations of contract so no legislative debt relief. One for the creditors.

    It prohibited further importation of slaves so I presume that was to the detriment of slaveholders. The 3/5 provision operated to the detriment of slave states.

    Hardly a document that established a plutocracy.

  357. Konsole says:
    @Doug1943

    The left will always believe that it has the high ground. What matters is a strong belief on the right. The right has to couch its cause in moral terms. It talks too much about the racial self interest of white people. The right should talk more about all people, not only whites, having an interest in racial self preservation and being free from minority rule.

  358. Bliss says:
    @renfro

    Wrong. Texas and Florida are part of the South:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_of_the_United_States

    The United States Census Bureau defines four statistical regions, with nine divisions. The Census Bureau region definition is “widely used […] for data collection and analysis,” and is the most commonly used classification system.

    Region 1: Northeast

    Region 2: Midwest

    Region 3: South. Division 5: South Atlantic (Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, District of Columbia, and West Virginia)
    Division 6: East South Central (Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Tennessee)
    Division 7: West South Central (Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas)

    Region 4: West

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Census_Regions_and_Division_of_the_United_States.svg

  359. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    Complete nonsense, as shown earlier. The Sakas ended up as low caste Hindus in northwest India, a long ways from Nepal. Repeating a lie ad nauseam cannot make it true.

    Since you are Malla and not from Nepal, that most likely means you are an outcaste/dalit from South India. Which also explains your constant Brahmin-bashing.

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  360. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    The Sakas ended up as low caste Hindus in northwest India, a long ways from Nepal. Repeating a lie ad nauseam cannot make it true.

    The Sakas were Scythains who most probably became Ksatriya and some may have even become Brahmin. There are people in Bengal who are Brahmin with surname ‘Chakravarti’ which is a concept that came with the Scythains.

    BTW check this out. the Brahmins centuries later actually looked up to the Sacas/Scythians as great conquerors and kings.

    “Mr. Wilford presents us also with the history which the Brahmens have manufactured for placing Mahomed among the great men of Hindustan. It is of much importance, to elucidate the accounts, which are given by the Hindus, not only of the actions, but of the very persons and existence, of their pretended heroes. I should otherwise have been well pleased to omit a story, tainted with that indelicacy, which, even when they are inventing, and have the circumstances at their own selection, marks the writings of an uncultivated people. “The Hindus say, that the son of a certain King of India, being disgusted with the world, turned pilgrim, and went to Mocsheswarast’hana (or Mecca). In his way thither, and in Arabia, he stopped at the house of a Brahmen, who received him kindly, and ordered his daughter to wait on him as usual. Whilst asleep, the cloth with which his loins were covered was accidentally defiled. When he awoke, he took it off, and concealed it in a corner of the house, in some hole, and out of the sight of the damsel, as he thought. Being from home, to perform his ablutions, in consequence of this nocturnal defilement, the damsel came at the usual hour; and her courses suddenly making their appearance, she was much distressed, and looking every where for some cloth, she spied the bundle—in short she conceived. He departed for Mecca: and some months after, the parents of the damsel and herself were thrown into the greatest confusion, as may be imagined. The holy man was considered as the author of their disgrace; though the damsel exculpated him: Yet she could not account for her present situation. She was, like Hagar, turned out of the house into the wilderness with her son: where they were miraculously preserved, both being innocent. Some years after the holy man returned, unconscious of his having been the cause of so much uneasiness to the family of the hospitable Brahmen. After much abuse, the matter was explained; but the son of the damsel could not be admitted to share with his relatives, or even to remain in their communion. He was, however, honourably dismissed with his mother, after they had given him a suitable education, and rich presents; and they advised him to shift for himself, and to set up a new religion, as he could not be considered as a member of the old one, on account of his strange birth, or rather conception. When advanced in years, he wished to see his paternal relations and India; and to persuade them to conform to his new doctrine; but he died in his way thither, at Medina, near Candáhár. This Medina is Ghazni, called emphatically the second Medina, from the great number of holy men entombed there: and it is obvious that the Hindus have confounded Muhammed with Sultan-Mahmood, whose sumptuous Mausoleum is close to that city. Thus we see, that the account they give of Muhammed is a mere rhapsody, retaining some of the principal features of the history of Ishmael, Hagar, Muhammed himself, and Sultan-Mahmood.—This Samvat, or era, of Maha’bhat (Muhammed), was early introduced into India, and the Hindus were obliged to use it, as they do now in all their civil transactions; and thus Muhammed became at least a Sambatica or Santica. According to the rules laid down by the learned in India, Muhammed is certainly a Saca and Saceswara, and is entitled to the epithet of Vicrama. He is a Saca, or mighty chief; and, like other Sacas, he killed his millions; he is Saceswara, or the ruler of a sacred period, still in use in India. For these reasons, the Pandits, who assisted Abul-Fazil, did not scruple to bestow the title of Vicramaditya upon him; and even to consider him as the real worthy of that name; and in order to make the era, or at least the time of Vicramaditya’s appearance coincide with the era of Mohammed, they have most shamefully distorted the chronology of the appendix to the Agni-purana. Mr. Wilford, Asiat. Res. ix. 159, 160, 161. See a still more extraordinary attempt to foist the story of Jesus Christ, borrowed from the spurious gospels, into the Puranas; and to make Christ at one time Chrishna, at another time Salivahana, at another time Buddha. Essay on the Origin and Decline of Christianity in India, by Captain Wilford, Asiat. Res. x.”

    Also you cannot explain why the Scythain descanded Rajputs called their suicidal self sacrifice in War as ‘Saka’.

    Check at 2:00 minutes.

    hat most likely means you are an outcaste/dalit from South India

    Show me one South Indian of any caste with the surname Mathur. I have not met one.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathur_(subcaste)
    You are just rambling bullshit.

    You negro ancestors who were savages would be treated worse than untouchables by the Brahmins. LOL

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  361. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    you are an outcaste/dalit from South India.

    Dude, Utter Pradesh is in North India.

    That ‘Malla’ caste which you speak of is an Andhra Caste from Andhra Pradesh which is a state in South India.
    Both are not even close.

  362. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Blisi check this out what upper caste (like me) Swami Prabhupada: Founder Of the Vaishnav Hare Krishna Movement said about blackies like you. LOL

    The International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), is a Gaudiya Vaishnava Hindu religious organisation. ISKCON was founded in 1966 in New York City by A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada the Guru and spiritual master of the organization. Its core beliefs are based on the Hindu scriptures, particularly the Bhagavad Gita and the Srimad Bhagavatam, and the Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition, which has had adherents in India since the late 15th century and American and European devotees since the early 1900s in North America.
    Shri Prabhupada, the founder, devoted his life almost exclusively to ancient Vedic texts and prepared for the next world.

    ISKCON devotees follow a disciplic line of Gaudiya Bhagavata Vaishnavas and are the largest branch of Gaudiya Vaishnavism.Vaishnavism means ‘worship of Vishnu’, and Gauḍa refers to the area where this particular branch of Vaishnavism originated, in the Gauda region of West Bengal. Gaudiya Vaishnavism has had a following in India, especially West Bengal and Odisha, for the past five hundred years. Gaudiya Vaishnavism was founded by the saint Sri Krishna Chaitanya who rapidly spread his form of ecstatic devotion throughout Bengal.

    The Hare Krishna movement helped to popularize yoga in the Western world, the movement promoted very benevolent and healthful activities, including prayer, devotion to God, peace, vegetarianism and monogamy (or in some cases, sexual abstinence).

    Prabhupada spewed vitriolic racial hatred toward black/African people — repeatedly and explicitly frequently recorded in lectures and private conversations by his many devotees and disciples over the decades.

    Part of Prabhupada’s hatred of blacks stemmed from his deep-seated Hindu beliefs that dark-skinned peoples represent the very bottom of the hierarchy of the human race — a direct reflection of India’s ancient color-based caste system.

    For example, in an April 1968 letter to a senior disciple named Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami, Prabhupada wrote: “Certainly we are not going to say these things about the Negro people publicly, we have no distinction between black or white, or demon or demigod, but at the same time, so long as one is demon or demigod, we have to behave in the proper way.” These words, which suggested that blacks should be kept at a distance, were uttered shortly after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.

    In a conversation with devotees on the island of Mauritius from 1975, Prabhupada chastised the gross materialism of the West, while simultaneously slurring black people.

    “It is all [a] nonsense civilization,” he declared. “A first-class Rolls Royce car, and who is sitting there? A third-class Negro. This is going on. You will find these things in Europe and America. This is going on. A first-class car and a third-class Negro.”

    During a speech before a class in Los Angeles later that year, Prabhupada told a tale of how the apartment he was staying at in New York City had been burglarized and his typewriter and tape recorder stolen.
    “When I came back [to the apartment] I saw the door [was] broken,” Prabuphada said. “That [building] superintendent, he was a Negro. He [had] done [it], I know that. This is [a] very common case here [in America].”

    The theme of black people as cursed by God and hopelessly beyond redemption appeared repeatedly in Prabhupada’s comments.

    He likened black people to Shudras, “Sudras [black people] have no brain,” he said.

    He also held some deeply pessimistic views about the racial conflict in the United States. Speaking in Tehran, Iran, in 1976, Prabhupada declared, “I don’t think the Negro question [in the U.S.] is solved … The whites, they do not like the Negroes still. Wherever there are Negroes, in that [neighborhood] the whites do not go in …. Although they [black people] have been given equal [rights], but at heart the whites, they do not like it. Is there any improvement? I don’t think [so].”

    Prabhupada also appeared to endorse segregation — the separation of the races, by referring to behavior in the animal kingdom.

    “[Black] crows will not like to live with the ducks and white swans,” he reportedly said during a train trip in India during the final year of his life. “And white swans will not like to live with the crows. That is [a] natural division.”

    In a conversation with a disciple named Ramesvara, Prabhupada suggested that without government control through welfare, black people would become “out of control” and create disorder in society.

    “Especially in your country [the U.S.] it will be dangerous because these blacks, if they don’t get employment, they will create havoc, these blacks,” he said. “And they are not civilized. They want money, and if they don’t get money, then they will create havoc.”

    “[The] Sudra is to be controlled only,” he said. “They are never [to be] given… freedom. Just like in America. The blacks were slaves. They were under control. And since you have given them equal rights they are disturbing, most disturbing, always creating a fearful situation, [blacks are] uncultured and drunkards. What training they have got? They have got equal [rights]? [It] is best, to keep them under control as slaves but give them sufficient food, sufficient [clothes], not more than that. Then they will be satisfied.”

    During an initiation session in Bombay, he told some devotes who were preparing to go to Africa: “You have got [a] good opportunity. You are going to Africa to deliver these persons … These groups of men are considered very fallen … the black men … They are habituated to steal; therefore they have been given a separate place, [the] African jungles.”

    Prabhupada apparently also deeply embraced the history of the “Aryan” super-race and linked the ancient peoples of India to Europe and the U.S. During a talk in Australia one year prior to his death, Prabhupada declared that “the Aryans spread [to] Europe also, and the Americans, they also spread from Europe. So the intelligent class of human being, they belong to the Aryans, [the] Aryan family. Just like [Adolph] Hitler claimed that he belonged to the Aryan family.”

    The Swami also bemoaned that the Dravidians mixed with the Aryans throughout Indian history, including in his native Bengal.

    “In Bengal the … black mixed up with [the] white,” he complained. “In Bengal and Madras, so many Dravidian have been mixed up with the Aryan.”

    Prabhupada also appeared to warn that the race-mixing that occurred in India was also occurring in Europe and America, and that it would create serious problems in the future.

    Prabhupada also had some choice words about the Jews.

    During another conversation with Ramesvara, Prabhupada alleged that Hitler killed the Jews in Germany because banks in the United States and Western Europe (allegedly controlled by Jews) were helping to finance Vladimir Lenin and the Communist revolution in Russia and elsewhere.

    “They [Jewish bankers] were financing against [the interests of] Germany,” Prabhupada said. “Otherwise, he [Hitler] had no enmity [against] the Jews… The Jews have got money. They want to invest and get some profit. Their only interest is how to get money, [not] nationalism, [not] religion, nothing of the sort … Therefore [William] Shakespeare wrote [of] ‘Shylock, the Jew.’”

    Also, speaking in New York in March 1966, the Swami declared: “Hitler was a great student of Bhagavad-gita [classic Hindu scripture]”

    A devotee named Gopagopisvara Dasa wrote that Prabhupada clearly embraced eugenics.

    “Prabhupada certainly believed that there was a master human race, the Aryans, and that they were white or tan,” he wrote. “Africans were inferior.”

    hehehehe

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  363. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    blisi, you gloat that the Buddha was a blakie like you. LOL. But that is not likely. Why so? Let the wise (wisest) Rabbi explain. The great Moses ben Maimon was a medieval Sephardic Jewish philosopher who became one of the most prolific and influential Torah scholars of the Middle Ages, considered one of the greatest Jewish Rabbis of all time. He is considered among the foremost rabbinical philosophers in Jewish history, and his massive amounts of work comprises a cornerstone of Jewish scholarship. He wrote the fourteen-volume Mishneh Torah which is considered an important authority in Talmudic law.
    He is sometimes known as “ha Nesher ha Gadol” (the great eagle) in recognition of his outstanding status as a bona fide exponent of the Oral Torah. He became a prominent philosopher and polymath in both the Jewish and Islamic worlds.

    He wrote in the Rambam
    “Those who are incapable of attaining to supreme religious values include the black coloured people and those who resemble them in their climates. Their nature is like the mute animals. Their level among existing things is below that of a man and above that of a monkey.” (Maimonides, Guide To The Perplexed, Translation from the Hebrew Version)

    Lord Buddha a blackie? Not likely? No chance at all. Lord Buddha was of Scythain ancestry.

  364. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    what upper caste (like me) Swami Prabhupada: Founder Of the Vaishnav Hare Krishna Movement said about blackies like you. LOL

    Lol indeed, you retarded whackjob. You are so shamelessly delusional you can’t even see how utterly, stupidly, insanely, ridiculous you look. Here’s the Brahmin Prabhupada, and no one sane would take him for a West Asian much less an European. There’s only a handful of places he (and you) could be seen as natives of: India, Africa, Papua New-Guinea, Australia, Melanesia.

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  365. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    Show me one South Indian of any caste with the surname Mathur.

    Quit running from your caste. There is no shame in being a low caste if you don’t believe in that failed system.

    You are Mallu not Mathur. Why else would you have picked that name? Mallu is a South Indian, non-aryan caste. Which explains a lot about you. It explains why you are always bashing brahmins. It also explains why you are so obsessed with Scythians: since you cannot be related to Aryans you are latching on to Scythians for dear life (or dear status). For Indians, at least the ones I see on the internet, recoil with shame from their actual ancestry and seek fake foreign origins, which highlights how screwed up south asian culture is.

    Quit groveling and grow a spine….

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  366. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    You are so shamelessly delusional you can’t even see how utterly, stupidly, insanely, ridiculous you look.

    So? He said all those things. Those are facts. Brahmins would have treated negroes worse than untouchables. He lamented that blacks and Aryans have mixed in India and that if the same happens to the West, it would be harmful.

  367. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Quit running from your caste.

    I am not, I am Kayastha.

    There is no shame in being a low caste if you don’t believe in that failed system.

    There is no shame if you are upper caste too.
    There is no shame in accepting the fact that your ancestors were primitive savages who lived and danced around mudhuts. There is no shame in accepting that they were civilized by Whites and Arabs.

    You are Mallu not Mathur.

    You are a idiot who is looking like a fool. Mallus are Malayali an ethinic group who have their own Brahmins.

    Why else would you have picked that name?

    Have all the south Asian commentators on Unz picked up their caste as their name? You are a demented fool.

    Mallu is a South Indian, non-aryan caste.

    LOL this idiot thinks he is an expert on India while clearly he is joke. Mallus have their own Brahmins in them as well as Nairs.

    It explains why you are always bashing brahmins.

    A lot of upper caste Hindus bash Brahmins. Brahmins of one type bash other Brahmins. You are not an Indian so you obviously do not know this.

    It also explains why you are so obsessed with Scythians: since you cannot be related to Aryans you are latching on to Scythians for dear life (or dear status).

    What? You have a habit of making up dumb theories out of your ass. Of course you are Afrocentrist the biggest fools and idiots of the world. A primitive savage people claiming they built all the world’s greatest civilizations. LOL.

    I realised I cannot be related to Aryans, how? We are a mix of Aryans and other populations, so how did I come to the conclusion that I cannot be related to Aryans?
    Scythians? I spoke of Scythians when the topic of Buddha came up as he was definitely of Scythian ancestry. According to you Lord Buddha was a negro. LOL. Yeah Buddha was a ghetto rapstar!!

    For Indians, at least the ones I see on the internet, recoil with shame from their actual ancestry and seek fake foreign origins, which highlights how screwed up south asian culture is.

    Again you make up crap. The problem for you is that you want to prove that South Asians are the same a Negroes and thus you can claim our civilizational achievements as your own. that is because in sub Saharan Africa your ancestors were primitive savages and thus you have nothing to show.
    We are not running away from our actual ancestry. Fake foreign origins is what you are pushing on us as being negro blacks. We are a mix of black Australoids, Caucasoids and even a little Mongoloid.

  368. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    You are obviously not a desi (South Asian) you are an idiot of African descent so you do not understand.
    Check this out. This post by an Indian (I was debating with) back on Jan 13, 2018
    https://www.unz.com/article/from-christian-humanitarian-and-royal-naval-officer-to-venomous-anti-white-terrorist/#comment-2156984
    Anon/Singh wrote about me

    Figured out you were Bengali/Kayast a while back. A true casteist knows these things।।

    Only an Indian can understand these things. You cannot because you are a negro who wants to appropriate Indian culture. he was half wrong ofcourse as he thought I was a Bengali kayastha but actually I am UP North Indian Kayastha.

    Check out my response
    https://www.unz.com/article/from-christian-humanitarian-and-royal-naval-officer-to-venomous-anti-white-terrorist/#comment-2159815

    Your figuring out was only half correct. I am Kayastha but of U.P. ancestry (Mathurs, ancestors from Mathura)

    Check out this response by the Anon/Singh guy who is Indian

    https://www.unz.com/article/from-christian-humanitarian-and-royal-naval-officer-to-venomous-anti-white-terrorist/#comment-2156583
    Anon/Singh wrote

    Malla is a Kayast so whitewashes British rule because his tribe are among the top collaborators।।

    Check out my response

    https://www.unz.com/article/from-christian-humanitarian-and-royal-naval-officer-to-venomous-anti-white-terrorist/#comment-2156620

    “How did you come to know I am a Kayasta?
    LOL we collaborated as much as or even less than Brahmins did and many Kayasthas opposed the British Empire. Subhash Chandra Bose was a Bengali Kayastha and Bal Thakaray the Hinduvadi leader of the Hindu Shiv Sena party in Maharashtra is from the Maharastrian Kayastha (CKP) community.
    If you think Brahmins did not collaborate with the British, Portuguese or the Mughals, you are a fool. A large part of the giant British Raj Bureaucracy , Portuguese Bureaucracy in Goa and even the late Mughal Bureaucracy had loads of Brahmins in them working like drones.
    We Kayasthas were traditionally scrolls or writers in royal courts from ancient Hindu/Buddhist/Jain periods so obviously we naturally gravitated to bureaucratic/intellectual roles in the British Raj and even now in the Indian Government. During the Islamic times we lost our traditional source of livelihood as not only did we have to compete with Brahmins but also Persians in intellectual roles and somehow the muslim rulers never liked us very much.
    The Persians were the Brahmins (intellectual roles) of the Islamic world during the Delhi Sultanate, Turk and Mongols were the warrior Kshatriyas and Arabs traders as well as Jain/Hindu traders took up mercantile roles. We were squeezed out. Even the Hindu Maratha era was not of much use to us. So when the British Raj came and destroyed Islamic power completely and set up the Empire in India, we worked hard to regain our traditional roles in intellectual fields in the new British Indian bureaucracy as we had in ancient times during Hindu/Buddhist periods. That cannot be called collaboration.
    That way nearly all communities collaborated with the British as well as opposed them at different periods. Dalits, Sikhs, Brahmins, Gurkhas, Muslims, Tribals, Rajputs, Afghan Pathans/Pastuns etc… you name it.
    And most Kayasthas I know are hardcore brainwashed Hinduvadi crackpots like you, I do not agree with them.”

    Only a fellow Indian understands caste unlike an outsider like you.

  369. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Here’s the Brahmin Prabhupada

    BTW Sri Prabhupada was not Brahmin, his surname was De. De or Dey is upper caste but not Brahmin. I do not know what caste he really was but I have to consult with bengalis to find out what De/Dey is. He is most probably Kayastha, Kshatriya or some other upper caste. Bengali Brahmins have surnames like Mukherjee, Banerjee, Ganguly, Tagore etc…

    could be seen as natives of: India, Africa, Papua New-Guinea, Australia, Melanesia.

    Indians have black Australoid ancestry, I have never denied that. But those pure black australoids were primitive hunter gatherers without civilizations. Then came various Caucasoid groups like Iranian farmers and Aryan pastoralist cowboys. So we are a mixture of them. Also Cambodian rice farmers and Chinese/Tibetans came from the East. So we a re a Caucasoid-Australoid mixbreed with some Mongoloid.

    The Blue bars represent Iranian farmers, who were Caucasians too.
    The Orange ones represent the Aryans, the Nordic horse ridding pastoralists, basically the cowboys of their day. Genetically related to North East Europeans like Slavs (Russians, Poles) and Baltics (Lithuanians)
    Yellow bars represent the original primitive black Australoid aborigine hunter gatherers
    Pink bars represent North East Asians coming from the East across the Himalayas (Tibetans, proto Chinese) as well as South East Asian farmers (Cambodian Rice Farmers).

    Where did People of India and Other Parts of South, Central Asia Come From?

    Sensitivity Over Aryan Migration Due To 2 Misconceptions, Says ‘Early Indians’ Author

    Aryan Migration: Who are our ancestors, really?

    The original Australoid blacks lived in a band from the Middle East to South Asia to South East Asia all the way to Australia. But they were all low IQ primitive hunter gathers. In Middle East and South Asia, they got mixed predominantly with Caucasoids and in South East Asia they got mixed predominantly with Mongoloids from the North. That is why people from North Africa to Middle East to South Asia to South East Asia are all brown, mixed up.

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  370. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Racial anthropology, dealing with the physical features of people, has sought to analyse the various elements which have contributed to build up the population of the Indian subcontinent, irrespective of what cultural ethnology has to say about languages and cultures. In this regard the most recent and authoritative view is that of Dr. B.S. Gupta, Director of the Anthropological Survey of India. According to him the population of the Indian subcontinent comprises six main racial elements namely, the Negrito, the Proto-Australoid, the Mongoloid, the Mediterranean, the Western Brachycephala and the Nordic…….The Nordic helped to bring about a great cultural synthesis leading to the foundation of the Hindu civilization of India. (R.C. Majumdar. ed., The Vedic Age, pp 144-146, Bombay 1965)

  371. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Blisi check dis out
    https://www.jidonline.org/article/S0022-202X(16)32648-3/abstract

    Mishra, Anshuman et al., Genotype-phenotype study of Middle Gangetic Plain in India reveals association of rs2470102 with skin pigmentation, Journal of Investigative Dermatology, article in press, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jid.2016.10.043

    The Journal of Investigative Dermatology has a new paper on the pigmentation genetics of populations from the Middle Gangetic Plain in northern India. Its main finding is that upper caste Indians are generally lighter skinned than other Indians, particularly those from tribal groups.

    This shouldn’t be surprising to most people, but now we have a clearer idea of the genetics behind this phenomenon, including a new marker (SNP rs2470102) that helps to better explain skin pigmentation differences within South Asia.

    From the paper

    Our understanding of genetics of skin pigmentation has been largely skewed towards populations of European ancestry imparting much less attention to South Asian populations, who behold huge pigmentation diversity. Here, we investigate the skin pigmentation variation in a cohort of 1167 individuals in Middle Gangetic Plain of Indian subcontinent. Our data confirms the association of rs1426654 with skin pigmentation among South Asians, consistent with previous studies and also reveals association for rs2470102 SNP. Our haplotype analyses further help us to delineate the haplotype distribution across the social categories and skin color. Taken together, our findings suggest that the social structure defined by the caste system in India has a profound influence on the skin pigmentation patterns of the subcontinent. In particular, social category and associated SNPs explain about 32% and 6.4%, respectively, of the total phenotypic variance. Phylogeography of the associated SNPs studied across 52 diverse populations of the Indian subcontinent, reveals wide presence of the derived alleles, albeit their frequencies vary across populations. Our results show that both of the polymorphisms (rs1426654 and rs2470102) play an important role in skin pigmentation diversity of South Asians.

    However, some tribes show exceptionally high frequency of rs1426654-A allele for example Gujjar (Jammu and Kashmir -1) and Meena (Rajasthan -0.91) (Supplementary Table S3 online). These tribes have been also known to be fair skinned (Joshua project, https://joshuaproject.net/). Interestingly, Brahmins belonging to higher castes in the social hierarchy of the caste system (Supplementary text online), irrespective of their geographical locations (North- Kashmiri Pandits, Pandits of Haryana, Brahmins of Uttar UPradesh), Havik (Karnataka, South) show similar frequencies of rs1426654-A variant (0.83–1) (Supplementary Table S3 online).

  372. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2ARnUeK-Y8WejZ1c3ZZZUE4YWs/view

    This is the Global PCA genetic map. Where do Indians like Kshatriya map and where do Negroids like Yaruba map. Check it out yourself. Download it if you cannot see.
    Indian subcontinental are genetically far from Negroids like Yaruba of Nigeria.

  373. Andrew says:

    Any sane American should hope for #2 as #1 seems more and more impossible by the day. What possible event could permanently unite us? How long did 9/11 do so? I think it was a few weeks, before the NY Times started editorializing against GWB and his Frumian “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” declarations, with some justifiable reason, frankly, far be it from me to want to defend the leftist Times. Today’s America inclines one to believe more and more in the rightness, historically and Constitutionally, of peaceful secession in the USA. But how many Presidents would stand by and let it happen if red and blue America came close? Ron Paul is the only one I can even think of. Most would listen to their advisors, and use their authority to employ the US military to “crush this rebellion” with all the zeal Lincoln-worshipping neocons like Rich Lowry could imagine. We may end up with scenario #3 no matter what eventually. I hope it’s after I’m dead.

  374. @Corvinus

    Or we could just let the states sort it out. Some can be multiracial, some not. All agree that Anglo Christian whites + likeminded others set the original rules, otherwise leave. There, going back to 1999 was not so bad.

    And yet, here we are.

    (Not that I think separation will happen, elites will not want to bleed over the land and its resources and military bases, like last time in 1865; nor will the dormant populace want to stand up, I reckon, not until the vaunted 2035 white majority dead-line shakes up things enough…).

  375. Icy Blast says:
    @eah

    Your response is what you accused mine of being: incomprehensible. If you are a “white nationalist,” as you assert, you certainly are an odd one. I don’t think many persons who identify themselves as “white nationalists” share your foundational assumptions. Your violent response to the idea of peaceful disaggregation, or secession, is more characteristic of a Ben Shapiro-type American Exceptionalist.

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