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Sooner or later the US “maximum pressure” on Iran would inevitably be met by “maximum counter-pressure”. Sparks are ominously bound to fly.

For the past few days, intelligence circles across Eurasia had been prodding Tehran to consider a quite straightforward scenario. There would be no need to shut down the Strait of Hormuz if Quds Force commander, General Qasem Soleimani, the ultimate Pentagon bête noire, explained in detail, on global media, that Washington simply does not have the military capacity to keep the Strait open.

As I previously reported, shutting down the Strait of Hormuz

would destroy the American economy by detonating the $1.2 quadrillion derivatives market; and that would collapse the world banking system, crushing the world’s $80 trillion GDP and causing an unprecedented depression.

Soleimani should also state bluntly that Iran may in fact shut down the Strait of Hormuz if the nation is prevented from exporting essential two million barrels of oil a day, mostly to Asia. Exports, which before illegal US sanctions and de facto blockade would normally reach 2.5 million barrels a day, now may be down to only 400,000.

Soleimani’s intervention would align with consistent signs already coming from the IRGC. The Persian Gulf is being described as an imminent “shooting gallery.” Brigadier General Hossein Salami stressed that Iran’s ballistic missiles are capable of hitting “carriers in the sea” with pinpoint precision. The whole northern border of the Persian Gulf, on Iranian territory, is lined up with anti-ship missiles – as I confirmed with IRGC-related sources.

We’ll let you know when it’s closed

Then, it happened.

Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, Major General Mohammad Baqeri, went straight to the point; “If the Islamic Republic of Iran were determined to prevent export of oil from the Persian Gulf, that determination would be realized in full and announced in public, in view of the power of the country and its Armed Forces.”

The facts are stark. Tehran simply won’t accept all-out economic war lying down – prevented to export the oil that protects its economic survival. The Strait of Hormuz question has been officially addressed. Now it’s time for the derivatives.

Presenting detailed derivatives analysis plus military analysis to global media would force the media pack, mostly Western, to go to Warren Buffett to see if it is true. And it is true. Soleimani, according to this scenario, should say as much and recommend that the media go talk to Warren Buffett.

The extent of a possible derivatives crisis is an uber-taboo theme for the Washington consensus institutions. According to one of my American banking sources, the most accurate figure – $1.2 quadrillion – comes from a Swiss banker, off the record. He should know; the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) – the central bank of central banks – is in Basle.

The key point is it doesn’t matter how the Strait of Hormuz is blocked.

It could be a false flag. Or it could be because the Iranian government feels it’s going to be attacked and then sinks a cargo ship or two. What matters is the final result; any blocking of the energy flow will lead the price of oil to reach $200 a barrel, $500 or even, according to some Goldman Sachs projections, $1,000.

Another US banking source explains; “The key in the analysis is what is called notional. They are so far out of the money that they are said to mean nothing. But in a crisis the notional can become real. For example, if I buy a call for a million barrels of oil at $300 a barrel, my cost will not be very great as it is thought to be inconceivable that the price will go that high. That is notional. But if the Strait is closed, that can become a stupendous figure.”

BIS will only commit, officially, to indicate the total notional amount outstanding for contracts in derivatives markers is an estimated $542.4 trillion. But this is just an estimate.

The banking source adds, “Even here it is the notional that has meaning. Huge amounts are interest rate derivatives. Most are notional but if oil goes to a thousand dollars a barrel, then this will affect interest rates if 45% of the world’s GDP is oil. This is what is called in business a contingent liability.”

Goldman Sachs has projected a feasible, possible $1,000 a barrel a few weeks after the Strait of Hormuz being shut down. This figure, times 100 million barrels of oil produced per day, leads us to 45% of the $80 trillion global GDP. It’s self-evident the world economy would collapse based on just that alone.

War dogs barking mad

As much as 30% of the world’s oil supply transits the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz. Wily Persian Gulf traders – who know better – are virtually unanimous; if Tehran was really responsible for the Gulf of Oman tanker incident, oil prices would be going through the roof by now. They aren’t.

Iran’s territorial waters in the Strait of Hormuz amount to 12 nautical miles (22 km). Since 1959, Iran recognizes only non-military naval transit.

Since 1972, Oman’s territorial waters in the Strait of Hormuz also amount to 12 nautical miles. At its narrowest, the width of the Strait is 21 nautical miles (39 km). That means, crucially, that half of the Strait of Hormuz is in Iranian territorial waters, and the other half in Oman’s. There are no “international waters”.

And that adds to Tehran now openly saying that Iran may decide to close the Strait of Hormuz publicly – and not by stealth.

Iran’s indirect, asymmetric warfare response to any US adventure will be very painful. Prof. Mohammad Marandi of the University of Tehran once again reconfirmed, “even a limited strike will be met by a major and disproportionate response.” And that means gloves off, big time; anything from really blowing up tankers to, in Marandi’s words, “Saudi and UAE oil facilities in flames”.

Hezbollah will launch tens of thousands of missiles against Israel. As

ORDER IT NOW

Hezbollah’s secretary-general Hasan Nasrallah has been stressing in his speeches, “war on Iran will not remain within that country’s borders, rather it will mean that the entire [Middle East] region will be set ablaze. All of the American forces and interests in the region will be wiped out, and with them the conspirators, first among them Israel and the Saudi ruling family.”

It’s quite enlightening to pay close attention to what this Israel intel op is saying. The dogs of war though are barking mad.

Earlier this week, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo jetted to CENTCOM in Tampa to discuss “regional security concerns and ongoing operations” with – skeptical – generals, a euphemism for “maxim pressure” eventually leading to war on Iran.

Iranian diplomacy, discreetly, has already informed the EU – and the Swiss – about their ability to crash the entire world economy. But still that was not enough to remove US sanctions.

War zone in effect

As it stands in Trumpland, former CIA Mike “We lied, We cheated, We stole” Pompeo – America’s “top diplomat” – is virtually running the Pentagon. “Acting” secretary Shanahan performed self-immolation. Pompeo continues to actively sell the notion the “intelligence community is convinced” Iran is responsible for the Gulf of Oman tanker incident. Washington is ablaze with rumors of an ominous double bill in the near future; Pompeo as head of the Pentagon and Psycho John Bolton as Secretary of State. That would spell out War.

Yet even before sparks start to fly, Iran could declare that the Persian Gulf is in a state of war; declare that the Strait of Hormuz is a war zone; and then ban all “hostile” military and civilian traffic in its half of the Strait. Without firing a single shot, no shipping company on the planet would have oil tankers transiting the Persian Gulf.

(Republished from Strategic Culture Foundation by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. peterAUS says:

    ….shutting down the Strait of Hormuz would destroy the American economy….

    Stopped reading there.

  2. So be it. The notion has been advanced that it’s better we face all this down now while it’s conventionally-armed Iran than a bit later against nuclear-armed China and Russia. Sooner or later, the U.S. is going to lose this skirmish. We’re over-extended and the PTB know they can’t operate with impunity. We voted Trump in to play off against the neocons. He’s outfoxing them so far. Look next for Bolton and Pompeo to be fired in a semi/quasi Saturday Night Massacre. He’s already publicly derided the both of them over Venezuela. They REALLY blew that one. Blowing this one, unimpeded by Trump, would have put us in a very bad position on this very night (now three days later).

    There has got to be a stop put to these wars. I know, I know, they killed Jack and Bob Kennedy for being Anti-Vietnam and MLKing when HE started in about Vietnam in his speeches. Terribly tinfoil-hat, I know, but there you have it. Stop running a tinfoil Government and I won’t have to don my tinfoil hat.

  3. @peterAUS

    Why is that statement false? Sorry, all our oil is shipped out. It has to rise to the world price. Yeah, yeah, I know, they’re taking the oil from under your feet and selling it, causing us to have a taste of World Market pricing.

    Isn’t that the way? In the end, they struck oil under our American garden and all we got was dead tomatoes.

  4. Blake says:

    Pax America zionist neocon empire on its last days

    • Agree: Realist, Iris
  5. denk says:

    They say unitedsnake was at war 93% of time since its birth.
    More like 100%, cuz while its not waging overt wars., it’s still busy launching covert wars , color rev, fanning the flame of terrorism.

    Everybody say its the Jews !
    Some say, what about the MIC ?

    I say, its the people.

    three centuries of warfare couldnt be sustained without the passive acquiescence/active support of the people.

    Here’s the proof…
    The latest poll shows that almost 70% of murikkans are sinophobes.

    [MORE]

    WTF !.
    Considering that the unitedsnake has been waging incessant covert/overt wars at China since 1949. !

    Why such gratuitous malice ?
    something in The water, the DNA ?

    Here’r some clues.

    Exhibit A
    Hardcore, unabashed, my country right or wrong redneck.

    Rich

    We should take out China pronto, before it gets too stong . !

    MInd you, the pentagoon has been war gaming a first strike on China for decades, but even the war pigs there stop short of spelling out their wet dream publicly.

    Exhibit B
    What sucks even more than a redneck ?
    A redneck who moralise !

    JImjones scream..

    ‘Look, police ‘brutatality’ in HK’ !

    assholes like JJ are conspicuously absent in any antiwar thread, but trust him to pop up in any China discussion to yep ‘human rights violations’ !

    Exhibit C
    The truly exceptional murikkan

    Junior

    ‘Those countries that we bombed , they ‘tread on’ us by simply not being us’ !

    ‘I dont support wars but at least we are better than the Chinese who massacre their own people’

    Im lost for words. !

    Exhibit D

    Projection, projection, always projection,…

    Radicalcentre

    ‘Mark my words, the Chinese would be much worse when they get on top without restrain.

    i guess we’ve no choice then, long live pax murikka, protect us from the evil chicoms!

    hehehh

    its said that during any prez race, dissing the chicoms is a sure fire way to garner votes, now you know why.

    To hell with the jews, forget the MIC,
    Its the people , stupid !

    P.S.
    With due respect, my apology to the 20% of decent yanks.

    • Agree: Parfois1
  6. American government arrogance under the control of sickos has not shied away from the belief that destroying countries that do not cave in to Washington’s demand of “surrender or perish” — an ultimatum made in Israel. Indeed it regards that despicable policy as an entitlement – to protect the “international community”. Iran may well be the nation that will do away with the nations of turbaned lapdogs and absolute monarchs who have been kept in power by the dozens of US military bases in the area. Maybe a serious jolt of the global economy is long overdue, to bring the Washington dogs of perpetual war to come to their senses.

    Was Iran succumbing to the JCPOA provisions and abiding by them not sufficient capitulation for the insane leaders in Washington?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Parfois1
  7. anon[266] • Disclaimer says:

    Pepe Escobar. One of the best and most insightful journalists in the world and you stopped reading?

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  8. War with Iran= total collapse of American/Zionist empire. My dream scenario for how this decadent society collapses. $500 a barrel oil is just the beginning….

  9. The ayatollah should just ask Trump to give him what he wants. It’s worth a try.

    The Orange Cuck just rolled over and delayed his ICE plans for two weeks because Aneurysm Nancy–who hates him–requested it.

    (I’m going to pose as a top shitocrat myself and request to bang Melania!)

    • Replies: @Old and grumpy
  10. Wily Persian Gulf traders – who know better – are virtually unanimous; if Tehran was really responsible for the Gulf of Oman tanker incident, oil prices would be going through the roof by now. They aren’t.

    Nevertheless I believe it was Iran, because:
    On one hand: to be effective a false flag needs dead bodies, and hollywood-like pictures, and ready-to-show “proof”. Compare to September 2011.

    On the other hand: Iran needed to demonstrate it can block oil export through Fujairah.
    About 1.5 million barrel a day can go from the Emirates through a pipeline to Fujairah. By this way, oil flows directly to the tankers in Oman Sea without going through Ormuz. That’s the main purpose of this pipeline: in case of Ormuz blockade. This may explain why only 40% of the pipeline capacity is used now.
    All attacks on oil ships happened in the area near Fujairah. No one was injured, every ships can be repaired. The purpose was not real damage, but a technical demonstration that Iran can also block export through Fujairah.
    The second attacks were more far from the port than the first ones. My guess is that the purpose of these latter was to show that the counter-measure (after the first attacks) could not protect tanker out of the vicinity of Fujairah.
    There is also another pipeline going to tankers in Red Sea. Did not Houthis attacked some tankers?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  11. @peterAUS

    Escobar can sometimes misunderstand technical points. I can’t buy the derivatives stuff. I mean, why should this point be more important than another. He probably believes that the global notional amount is the value which will be missing; But most of derivatives are detained by people who are at the same time creditor and debtor.

    The real problem is that since the seventies US$ is no more backed by gold, but it is backed by oil from the Gulf…

    Another problem is that Americans are big consumers of oil. Will Mexican and Canadian oil be sold to USA for a special friendly price, or, will it be sold for the very high global price?

    American economy will be destroyed.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @eah
    , @anon
    , @Art
  12. ‘Tehran simply won’t accept all-out economic war lying down – prevented to export the oil that protects its economic survival.’ All nations will go to war if their core interests (those that protect against existential threat) are threatened. But this is not just a regional dispute, it involves other stakeholders, most notably Russia and China, also with vital interests in the region. Closing the Strait of Hormuz would have devastating economic consequences; if the major nuclear powers start fighting, the consequences will be Armageddon.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  13. I hope we don’t go into another stupid war. Bring all our troops home from all around the world. Just protect this Republic. We’re not the policemen of the world.

  14. Biff says:
    @denk

    P.S.
    With due respect, my apology to the 20% of decent yanks.

    I don’t know, but I’m down to around 5% being decent.

    • Replies: @denk
  15. I don’t know what to think about this article. On one hand, it seems to contain reasonable arguments. On the other, it reads like a wild fantasy.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  16. Realist says:
    @joeshittheragman

    I hope we don’t go into another stupid war. Bring all our troops home from all around the world. Just protect this Republic. We’re not the policemen of the world.

    The Deep State would never allow that to happen.

  17. @anon

    Not the only one, the piece should have been a Hollywood movie critque.

    Finance has nothing left then military capitalism. Power and quantifying power (as to be perceived by the masses) have no longer any other options then military capitalism. Since wars are mostly obsolete, but in their derivatives as to the environment, we near an end-phase of global systemics.

    Could tell you more, but since understanding is more then fifty percent at the end of the receiver of the suggestion… then again, mostly the comment would be censured.

    • Replies: @acementhead
  18. This article is just a variant on TEOTWAKI. Last TEOTWAKI was WW II, the one before that WW I, so it might be the end of everything, but it might not be the end of those reading this. The West has, historically, reorganized itself about each 80 years (3 generation) since its breakout in AD 1500.

    This next reorg is going to be a dilly. One thing the auther didn’t mention is that Iran doesn’t really have to worry about the US (although it’s doing so). It has to worry about its biggest customer, China. If the US financial system fails (and, BTW, look at Bitcoin’s recovery as proof that people are actively seeking something else) then the US Navy goes out of business. Ships are holes in the water into which one pours money, always have been. No money, no Navy money, no Navy ships, trade routes are unprotected and up for grabs by whoever sees a chance at tolls for passing ships or, for that matter, piracy (which is pretty widespread even now).
    China then takes steps to keep its resources coming in. With no US Navy, China is out of luck, as are all the Asian Tigers who’ve overpopulated themselves so much they’re dependent on food imports and mechanized agriculture. (Ever wonder whether the low fertility in Japan (and the US) isn’t a way to get down to a sustainable population, and that overruling that attempt by massive immigration is a really bad idea?)
    At this point, China starts using whatever weapons it thinks will work while the US tries to reconfigure itself enough to do more than blundering into other people’s applecarts, and Europe tries to recover consciousness after its prolonged binge. Just another Western reorganization, but this one with contemporary weapons in Chinese hands, hands that have very little empathy and that, under Mao, did some truly stupid things (e.g. poisoning much of China’s farmland by misuse of agricultural chemicals).

    So, yes, the large banks are important. So are a lot of other things. Reorganizations are messy, always have been, and typically the people after the reorganization do things that nobody before the reorganization would have considered tolerable. Way things go. You’re dealing with human institutions. If you want perfection, try realizing the glory of God and the pefectcion of the next world, or take drugs, or go insane. Not only is this world not perfect, it’s not even very good.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
    , @anon
  19. alexander says:
    @joeshittheragman

    It astonishes me that people are still using the phrase “policemen of the world” to define US behavior.

    The last time I recall The US even remotely acting as the “worlds’s policeman” was in 1991, when we pushed Saddam out of Kuwait.

    The Iraq 2003 “debacle”, the Libya”shit show” and the Syria” fiasco” have all proven, over time, to be acts of wanton carnage and illegal aggression,…. not “police work”.

    The United States, under Neocon tutelage , is no “policeman”….not by any stretch…

    It is more like a humongous version of “Bernie Madoff meets Son of Sam.”

    We have become a grotesque, misshapen empire ….of lies …fraud ….,illegal war,….mass murder…..and heinous f#cking debt.

    Policeman ?!?…Hahaha.ha ..

    • Agree: Robjil
  20. Highly speculative and dubious conclusions.

    NATO is not going to side with Iran. And while there will be trouble. Including issues with potential acts inside the US because we have careless managed our borders. i am suspicious about the conclusions here being based on anything more than speculation and assumptions about if and or what’s.

  21. @Counterinsurgency

    The comment as a whole.

    Agreed to the burst as a whole, with one single annotation: the weight of opportunism. Ethics are in our view nothing else than superior opportunism. But have it as you want, none of the parties, China, Russia, the West, global corporations, any parallel, morphing, symbiotic power nucleus or structure, or timeline seems to understand. So yes you are home safe pointing to “anything goes”.

    Military capitalism, the re-shift to it by all (not only the US) players, is obsolete after all. So the future is already in the past for most speculative forces.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  22. anon[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    > the pefectcion of the next world, or take drugs

    What’s the difference? Belief in a pretend afterlife is just a narcotic to kill the pain of mortality salience. As Nietzsche noted, “Two great European narcotics, alcohol and Christianity.”

    > it’s not even very good

    It would be great without you Jew-worship proselytizers trolling endlessly. Can you shut the fuck up about Jewhovah for just one comment thread? Alcoholics who have pissed their britches are more endearing.

  23. The American economy is already doomed. It’s eventual collapse has been baked in the cake since 1913. The next big war will be blamed for the ensuing greater depression that would have happened anyway. The banking cartel needs a war to cover it’s evil ass.

    If you don’t understand the case against the FED you don’t know shit about modern American history.

    • Replies: @Wally
  24. “Goldman Sachs has projected a feasible, possible $1,000 a barrel a few weeks after the Strait of Hormuz being shut down.”

    This is how Goldman Sachs offloads boatloads of contracts that will never hit the money on their gullible “muppet” clients.

    “… shutting down the Strait of Hormuz would destroy the American economy….”

    Look at the bright side … it would finally make US fracking profitable.

    • Replies: @Wally
  25. You have to hand it to the Iranians for basically announcing their intentions to destroy the US economy via the derivatives market that the US financial industry largely produced. Kill them with their own weapon.

    A show down between the US and some entity is inevitable. Be it Iran, China or Russia, the US will be over extended and their very expensive weaponry will, I believe, come up wanting on all counts. The MIC has been scamming the country for decades. The military brass is just bluster. When it comes down to an actual confrontation, the US military will come up short as BS won’t cut it.

    Yes, they will destroy lots of stuff and kill lots of people but then their toys will run out and then what? Missiles will take out the aircraft carriers and the world will see that the emperor is naked.

    • Agree: AnonFromTN
  26. Sean says:
    @Parisian Guy

    America is backed by brute military force. That is why India has stopped buying Iranian oil, and sent ships to the Gulf to back America

    http://www.aei.org/publication/iran-the-contrast-between-sovereignty-and-moral-legitimacy/

    In June of 2014, as the forces of the Islamic State swept toward Baghdad, President Barack Obama began to recommit American military forces to Iraq. He also observed that “Iran can play a constructive role, if it sends the same message to the Iraqi government that we’re sending, which is that Iraq only holds together if it is inclusive.” In an instantly famous article by Atlantic magazine correspondent and White House amanuensis Jeffrey Goldberg, Obama indicated that Saudi Arabia and other Arab states had to learn to “share” the Middle East with Iran.

    In imagining a kind of strategic partnership with Tehran, Obama is recycling a deeply held belief of late-Cold War “realists” like former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft. “For U.S. strategy, Iran should be viewed as a potential natural partner in the region, as it was until 1979,” when Shah Reza Pahlavi was toppled in the Khomeini revolution.” “Envisioning 2030: U.S. Strategy for a Post-Western World,” foresaw that “a post-Mullah dominated government shedding Shia political ideology could easily return to being a net contributor to stability by 2030

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/143606/Mearsheimer-S-Arabia-a-threat-not-Iran
    “The truth is that it is the United States that is a direct threat to Iran, not the other way around. The Trump administration, with much prompting from Israel and Saudi Arabia, has its gunsights on Iran. The aim is regime change.

    America does not seem to think the Iranian regieme can do anything except bluster as they are slowly smothered.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  27. “All of the American forces and interests in the region will be wiped out, and with them the conspirators, first among them Israel and the Saudi ruling family.”
    Finally some good news. Go for it!

  28. MLK says:

    I found Escobar informative during the Obama years. Most especially as a cheerleader for the rise of CCP-led China (Belt/Road). But, like so many observers, he’s lost his way since Trump took the oath.

    Every analyst must be on guard for bias confirmation and moving goalposts. Escobar was among the most bullish on Iran successfully waiting out President Trump as a key foreign member of The Resistance. But now it’s in a dire position economically and forced to play the trouble-maker role North Korea did pre-Trump.

    Most are missing that Iran making threats to shut down the Strait of Hormuz or, even more so, disrupt or tank the global economy, are sure signs of weakness not strength. POTUS Trump has Iran by the short-hairs. An economic stranglehold that locates time on the US side. Is it really so hard to listen to the guy — practically every other day he talks about his patience (“I’m in no rush””) regarding not just Iran but North Korea, Venezuela and pretty much every other entity he’s putting the wood to.

    Look at what just happened. A series of incidents/provocations of unknown origin which Iran now has been forced to concede were part of its “Maximum-Counter Pressure” Campaign. POTUS Trump was publicly transparent — the USG would respond proportionately to any Iranian (and Iranian proxy) provocations. In other words, if there is war or disruption to the global commerce via these incidents it is Iran that is wholly liable. You people are crazy if you think that Russia and China are giving Iran a blank check.

    Regardless of how bad it makes you feel about yourself, eventually all of you are going to have to get your minds around the following: Trump is the most powerful POTUS of (any of) our lifetimes. He represents a sharp break from the previous Figurehead/Pitchman (for the National Security/Administrative State). It’s impossible to overstate the challenge he presents to foreign states that were collaborating with domestic Resistance to get rid of the guy and back to business as usual.

  29. Anonymous [AKA "Pull the trigger, Hank!"] says:

    At Parisian Guy, it’s true that everybody loves to scare you by using gross and not net figures. The numbers are much more imposing. But orderly diminution of gross to net depends on robust procedures for netting and close-out, to which we trust all the banks that blew up the world a decade ago. They were very relieved that we didn’t lynch them, so they stuck a brain-damaged Dartmouth bulimic in there and made him puke up 27 trillion USD from us to save their bonuses, and now they’re all like, Ah that wasn’t so bad. And the US economy has slowed to the point where any little random shock could tip it over into recession. It wouldn’t take a war. Weird fire in Philly, huh? Go figure!

  30. Pepe is being unhinged.
    He should realize that this is still cat and mouse game. And Iran is still the mouse.
    Yes! Iran can cause some damage but that will be taken care in some months.
    If it comes to it US will destroy all military capabilities of Iran in less than a week.
    And Russia and China will not move a finger. They will stay out of it.
    This is different from Korea. There China would move, maybe even Russia.
    The world oil price will not go through the roof and financial system will not collapse.
    Those are only dreams.
    This mess was caused by Obama who did gave away too much. Obama was inept. (Remember how Raul Castro was mocking him?}
    Iran should come to the table and negotiate new deal.
    If not Iran will be sorry for decades.

  31. eah says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I can’t buy the derivatives stuff.

    Famous last words — review what Bernanke said just before subprime exploded: 2007 — Bernanke: Subprime Mortgage Woes Won’t Seriously Hurt Economy — that said, I have no idea what will happen if Iran decides to interfere with shipping in the straits — or how likely that is.

    The biggest long-term threat to the US is the end of the petrodollar scheme — due to its unmatched worldwide political and military hegemony, and ‘safe haven’ status, the dollar has largely been insulated from the consequences of what are in reality staggering, almost structural (at this point) US deficits — but that can’t and won’t go on forever.

    • Agree: Parisian Guy
  32. Jason Liu says:

    Russia and China need to set up global deterrence against interventionism by western democracies.

  33. @Sick of Orcs

    I don’t believe the Ayatollah is a shopping buddy of Javanka. Nor is he a good goy of Bibi’s. Trump will never listen to such a request. A potential inrease in oil price might be the only thing that can drown out the Zionist Psycho Choir.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  34. eah says:

    In 2018, U.S. net imports (imports minus exports) of petroleum from foreign countries averaged about 2.34 million barrels per day, equal to about 11% of U.S. petroleum consumption. This was the lowest percentage since 1957.

    In reality, the US is today far less dependent on imported oil than most people probably imagine, and therefore far less vulnerable to any import supply issue.

  35. nsa says:

    “would destroy the American economy by detonating the $1.2 quadrillion derivatives market…..collapse the world banking system……”

    Total BS. A derivative is not something real like a bushel of wheat or a gold coin……it is a leveraged bet on the future price of something. That something can be real (ounce of gold) or fictional (volatility as defined by the vix or a bit coin). If the loser of the bet fails to pay, the bet winner is simply out the money. So what? If the losses are large enough and the loser of the bet connected enough, the government simply steps in with its ability to create unlimited amounts of fiat money and credit, and makes the bet loser whole. This amounts to spreading the losses over the population. Some get bailed out: AIG, MBS loans, GM…..and some don’t : Lehman Bros, Toys-r-Us, Washington Mutual, CIT. So what? That’s what bankruptcy courts are for. There are lots of good reasons not to murder and destroy whole countries to make the vile bloodthirsty jew happy, but derivative bets are not one of them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  36. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Parisian Guy

    > Americans are big consumers of oil

    Sure, but the United States is the world’s biggest producer—and is a net exporter —of oil.

    The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06/u-s-becomes-a-net-oil-exporter-for-the-first-time-in-75-years

    US will soon threaten to topple Saudi Arabia as the world’s top oil exporter: IEA
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/11/us-threatens-to-topple-saudi-arabia-as-worlds-top-oil-exporter-iea.html

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Parisian Guy
  37. Israel and the zio/US has interfered in Iran since the 1953 CIA/Mossad coup and at intervals ever since then and have brought this problem on by the zio/US and Israeli meddling in the affairs of Iran and an all out war via illegal sanctions which in fact are a form of war.

    Iran has not started a war in over 300 years and is not the problem , the problem is the warmongers in the zio/US and Israel and will not end as long as the warmongers remain in power.

    A good start to ending these problems would be to abolish the CIA!

  38. @peterAUS

    peterAUS is the perfect example of American hubris. Never let the facts get in the way of your beliefs, however incorrect they may be.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @The Scalpel
  39. Zumbuddi says:
    @alexander

    “Pushing Saddam out of Kuwait” was not a police action, it was a pretense.

    Saddam’s invasion was likely encouraged by US operatives; the Arab states in the region insisted that they could settle the conflict among themselves; Gorbachev pleaded with Bush to stay out of it.

    Instead, Bush saw that situation, within the unique moment of US no longer constrained by a rival superpower, as an opportunity to exert US global dominance.

    Bush **41** war in Kuwait was the pivot to empire: he took the first step to (modern) American empire.

    • Agree: RobinG
  40. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @nsa

    Not entirely true. If the “winner” of the derivative was using it to insure against a potential loss, and the “loser” fails to perform, the “winner” may be out much more than “the money.” If your house burned down and the insurance company failed to pay because of insolvency, you wouldn’t be simply “out of the money” (of the insurance policy), you would be out of your house.

    Granted, some parties in the derivative market are speculators. However, those that purchase them for insurance are only “winners” insofar as their “winning” payment is used to offset an otherwise devastating loss.

    Now, your point about the bailouts is true.

  41. Agent76 says:

    Jun 21, 2019 Cutting Through Washington’s Warmongering

    The US is committed to conflict not only most obviously against Iran, but also with Russia.

    June 21, 2019 Iran and US Officials Attend a Russian Security Forum but Nobody Is Talking About It

    President Putin’s opening speech was read aloud by Russian Security Council chief Nikolai Patrushev, which explained the forum’s agenda and objectives, namely, to create a positive atmosphere that should succeed in reducing various areas of tension between countries around the globe.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/06/21/iran-and-us-officials-attend-a-russian-security-forum-but-nobody-is-talking-about-it/

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  42. Mike P says:
    @MLK

    Yes, the sanctions on Iran are having an effect, and the recent Iranian actions acknowledge this; but that does not mean Iran is weak. Iran is telling the U.S. that it is NOT Venezuela or North Korea. Kim is all bark, but no bite; Trump was quite right to call him “little rocket man.” Even he, with his singular lack of style and grace, is not doing this to the Iranian leadership.

    The economic sanctions against Iran already constitute acts of war. The Iranians have just demonstrated that they can disrupt oil flow from the Middle East in retaliation, and not just in the Street of Hormuz. In addition, they have now shown that they can take down American aircraft, stealth or not, with precision. This means Iran is able and willing to strike back and escalate as it sees fit, both economically and militarily. If the U.S. don’t relent, Iran WILL send the oil prices through the roof, and it will humiliate the U.S. on the world stage if they are stupid enough to go to war over it.

    The Iranian messages are simple, clear, and consistent. Compare this to the confused cacophony that emerges from the clown troupe in Washington, and you can easily tell which side has been caught unawares by recent events.

    This is a watershed moment for Trump – he will either assert himself, return to reason, and keep the peace; or he will stay aboard the sinking ship. No good options for him personally, of course; his choices are impeachment, assassination, or staying in office while presiding over the final act of the U.S. empire.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @MLK
    , @Brewer
  43. @Mike P

    You are delusional.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  44. turtle says:

    Bush **41** war in Kuwait

    Not a war. More like a large scale weapons test.
    All those gee-whiz “smart weapons” had to be tested somewhere.
    How about on some hapless ragheads?
    100 hours long test, IIRC.
    Yep, the weapons pretty much worked.
    No use wasting any more of them, given their co$t.

    Instead, Bush saw that situation, within the unique moment of US no longer constrained by a rival superpower, as an opportunity to exert US global dominance.

    Agree.
    But why not seize the advantage, and press on to Baghdad?
    That could easily have been done, and saved the Iraqi people a decade of suffering.

    Bush the Elder made noises about the U.N., and a “coalition,” whereas his son, Bush the Younger, largely dispensed with such nonsense, minus Gen. Powell’s lies in NY, and just said, “Fuck Saddam,. we are taking him out.” Now that is the voice of an emperor.

    Q: Was it planned that way from the beginning (in which case your assessment is dead on), or did Bush the Elder actually deserve the “wimp” jacket?

  45. alexander says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Hi Zumbuddi,

    Have you read the Security Council resolutions passed between 1990 and 1991 pertaining to Iraq’s
    illegal invasion of Kuwait ?

    I believe there were five or six.

    You should read them, then get back to me.

  46. @Jim Christian

    Jim, you shouldn’t bother. He believes USA would come out a winner in a nuclear war with both China and Russia.

    One of the real crazies.

    It is why I think China should build 500 more nukes for all Commonwealth nations, 100 just for Australia.

  47. @Zumbuddi

    Let us never forget the “babies thrown from incubators” propaganda to help get it all started.

    • Replies: @alexander
  48. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    And what are you willing to lose for that assertion of yours?

    If you are right, USA stay an empire a little longer.

    But what happens if you are wrong and Pepe is right?

    What would you do if you are wrong?

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  49. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    People like you are underestimating the havoc Iran will cause to world economy and the US military should we chose to strike them.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  50. denk says:
    @Biff

    Wow !
    Its that bad already ?

    gawd help murikka,
    gawd help the world !

  51. @Agent76

    The US is committed to conflict not only most obviously against Iran, but also with Russia.

    US, or rather a bunch of lunatics infesting Trump’s Admin, might be committed, but it absolutely doesn’t mean that the US has resources for that. In fact, US doesn’t have resources to fight Iran, let alone Russia. By now most of it is nothing more than chest-thumping and posturing. Today Bolton’s statement is a further proof of that.

    • Disagree: Ilyana_Rozumova
    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  52. Patricus says:

    Being in my 60s I have heard all my life that America is on the verge of economic collapse, or civil war or environmental destruction. It is surprising to have lived this long and the US is still around. We are fortunate in the quality of our enemies and detractors–not so impressive.

    Some commenters and columnists need to get out in the sun once in a while.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Stebbing Heuer
  53. denk says:

    Instead, Bush saw that situation, within the unique moment of US no longer constrained by a rival superpower, as an opportunity to exert US global dominance.

    The much derided Chomsky …

    There were once two gangsters in town, the USA and USSR, there’s relative peace cuz each was constrained by the rival’s threat.
    NOW that the USSR is gone, the remaining gangster
    is running amok with total impunity.

    Now I dunno if the USSR was a ‘gangster’ ,
    as for uncle scam,…..needs no introduction I presume ?

  54. Israel’s favorite song is, “Onward Christian Soldiers.”

    • LOL: Iris, eah, Fran Taubman
  55. MLK says:
    @Mike P

    I appreciate you responding but you’re a good example of how many observers are engaged in bias conformation. You see only what fits with “the final act of the U.S. empire” any day now.

    North Korea is anything but “all bark.” It has nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. POTUS Trump spent the last two years neutralizing China’s North Korea card. Xi/China are now out of the closet as owning any North Korean trouble-making going forward.

    Again, the POTUS has Iran by the short-hairs. Even the Iranian government has dropped the “Death to America” bullshit and bravado, and publicly says that it doesn’t believe POTUS Trump wants war with it. The problem they have is that they cannot survive another 2-6 years of the economic sanctions. Nor, as I said before, are Russia and China going to back it in increasing provocations (including via proxies) against SA, the Gulf emirates, and most especially the USM.

    Iran is going to have to negotiate with the POTUS. It really is that simple.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @sarz
  56. @Astuteobservor II

    Nobody knows what China has. Not even Russia. China is very secretive.
    So there would be surprise when all chips will be down!

  57. Mike P says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    You are delusional.

    Thanks. From an expert like you, that compliment is most gratifying.

  58. @Astuteobservor II

    I you would point out all the factors and consequences I would precisely answer all of them to you.
    Pepe is grossly exaggerating. Concerning economy things always balance out. people would not be able to sustain to pay such an increments in prices. So they would be walking a little bit more.
    Iran cannot win anything. There is no way Iran could win without help of Russia or China.

  59. @Jim Christian

    Sun Tzu wrote words to the effect that a general should always leave his enemy an escape route. The Israelis and their sock puppets, the Zionist infested national government of the USA, would do well to heed that advice. They are so intent on eliminating Iran as a threat to Israeli hegemony in the Levant and Middle East that they fail to realize they are facing a proud, strong and intelligent nation with the ability to inflict fatal damage on its enemies.

    If Trump had kept his campaign promises this situation would have been defused over two years ago. Instead he’s proven another vainglorious politician in thrall to the USA’s Zionist fifth column. The only thing that makes Trump any different at this point is that he’s more of a public embarrassment than most who rise to his level.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  60. @Johnny Walker Read

    It is you who is overestimating Iran’s influence. And Muslims are pathetic. They never had and they will never have a common front of defense.

  61. @PetrOldSack

    So yes you are home safe pointing to “anything goes”.

    Anything may be tried. Most of it dies out.

    Counterinsurgency

  62. All well and good. But what does it have to do with proving blacks to be inferior?

  63. eah says:
    @Patricus

    We are fortunate in the quality of our enemies and detractors

    Perhaps competitors is better than “enemies and detractors” — the dollar is propped up by 1) enormous military spending (still more than all other countries combined), and 2) lack of a credible alternative — but the world will eventually tire of the unjust USD Ponzi scheme, with its unpayable debt and large structural deficits, which allows a deadbeat US to live beyond its means — China and others are just biding their time — remember, in the not too distant future the US will be “majority minority”.

    All of the above is nothing to be proud of.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  64. Anyone smell a US trap set to spring? Putin came to aid both Assad in Syria and to a lesser degree, even Maduro in Venezuela. He will not let US trash Iran.
    Civilian 911 will pale to 3 carrier groups totally destroyed in first 2 days.
    Let ZOG explain that one to their moronic viewers.
    Watch Sean “The Pawn Hannity” have an apoplectic nervous break down on TV before the Power Grid goes out.
    A massive fiasco so we all go nuclear and bring it on homeland soil.
    See the Hudson and Potomac boil.
    Just saying only 150 Iranians is a pipe dream. Recall what CIA Michael Scheuer did say and his tomorrow was a thousand yesterdays.
    GTFO now and give/permit both Saudis and Iran to have nukes.
    Only way to end the ongoing Middle East problem.
    Try to eschew the coming Biblical Armageddon.
    Stay the F*CK away.

  65. @Bardon Kaldian

    “On the other, it reads like a wild fantasy.”

    So did September 1914, a year earlier.

  66. Avery says:
    @peterAUS

    {Stopped reading there.}

    No you didn’t: you read the whole thing. Admit it.

    In any case, if US massively attacks Iran, all restraints will come off of Iran’s military.
    It is not just the closing of the straight.

    Iran will have no choice but to torch all oil producing facilities of Gulf sheikhdoms.
    US has enough oil for itself, but the world economies are too interconnected.
    US is no longer an island.
    Europe, Japan, SK,…all US trading partners will be affected by the disruption of oil flow and the huge spike in prices. And that in turn _will_ affect US economy.

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  67. Mike P says:
    @MLK

    North Korea is anything but “all bark.” It has nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them.

    It can light nuclear detonations and it has rockets, but that doesn’t mean it is able to combine both effectively. But o.k., Kim does have some bite, for example his artillery trained on Seoul; that is probably all the bite he really needs, so I will give you that point.

    Regarding Iran: yes, they can’t survive being cut off from the world economy for 2-6 years – and they won’t try. However, negotiating with the U.S. would be useless, as the U.S. have already proven that they don’t follow diplomacy 101: pacta sunt servanda – contracts must be fulfilled.

    Iran has now made it clear that they have the will and the ability to disrupt oil export from the Middle East, and that the U.S. have no credible military option to deter them. It is the U.S. war hawks who have miscalculated and don’t know what to do.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  68. Art says:
    @Parisian Guy

    American economy will be destroyed.

    Hmm — is that the only way out of the Jew diabolical control of America? Or will they just end up with even more control.

    Hmm — or is our only out, actually facing the Jew mendacious tribal culture head on?

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  69. lavoisier says: • Website

    Hezbollah will launch tens of thousands of missiles against Israel. As

    Hezbollah’s secretary-general Hasan Nasrallah has been stressing in his speeches, “war on Iran will not remain within that country’s borders, rather it will mean that the entire [Middle East] region will be set ablaze. All of the American forces and interests in the region will be wiped out, and with them the conspirators, first among them Israel and the Saudi ruling family.”

    The money thing is really important. But the above reflection, if true, is the most salient point here.

    If we start a war with Iran it will not only be fought by the Americans.

    Iran knows that Israel is driving these wars and they and their allies like Hezbollah have every intention of dragging Israel into the conflict.

    This important point may keep the dogs of war on their leash.

    After all, it is the Zionists who control these rabid dogs.

    Not so easy to unleash these dogs when your own ass is on the line.

  70. Wally says:
    @WorkingClass

    “The American economy is already doomed. It’s eventual collapse has been baked in the cake since 1913.”

    The problem is that almost all countries are doing what the US does, including fiddling around with their equivalents of The Fed, etc., or this wish they could.

  71. Wally says:
    @The Alarmist

    “Look at the bright side … it would finally make US fracking profitable.”

    That must be why so many companies are fracking, so they can lose money.

  72. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Thank God Murka is ruled by those crazy “end time” lovin’ Israel firsters. Now there’s a bunch of common sense folks who’s only sin is trying to bring about the destruction of the world so they can take their place above us all as “Gods chosen” and rule over all us lowly Goy. Yes they want “Moshiach Now”

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Druid
  73. HEREDOT says:
    @peterAUS

    Is this your attitude to the honest and respected journalist Pepe escobar? Isn’t there gonna be anything to the US economy? What is your hypothesis?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  74. @anon

    United States is the world’s biggest producer—and is a net exporter —of oil.

    What you, and others, are missing, is that it is the lack of demand domestically, that has led to becoming a net exporter. The demand is also down world wide. With the price of oil manipulated through futures markets, rather than demand, it keeps the fracking oil viable. Just as with the Canadian Tar Sands, fracking production is only viable at $100+ barrel. Any blip in the futures/derivative casino can be catastrophic for “Western” economies.

    Don’t worry about China, they’ll take all the oil Russia can ship, and not pay for it in US dollars.
    Escobar’s point, is that the house of cards can collapse very quickly and in a way that no one expects.

    • Replies: @anon
  75. lavoisier says: • Website
    @eah

    remember, in the not too distant future the US will be “majority minority”.

    And then we will really be the world’s indispensable nation and sole superpower!!

  76. peterAUS says:
    @Jim Christian

    Why is that statement false?

    Because it can’t happen.

    Should Iran try to shut down Hormuz it will be pulverized into Stone Age. Radioactive in some places.

    • Replies: @HEREDOT
    , @anon
    , @Jim Christian
  77. peterAUS says:
    @MLK

    From

    …Most are missing

    to

    …giving Iran a blank check.

    Agree.

  78. anon[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    More to this downing .

    “Iran’s ability to target and destroy the high-altitude American drone, which was developed to evade the very surface-to-air missiles used to bring it down, surprised some Defense Department officials, who interpreted it as a show of how difficult Tehran can make things for the United States as it deploys more troops and steps up surveillance in the region.– ”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/world/middleeast/iran-us-drone.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    • Replies: @RobinG
  79. HEREDOT says:
    @peterAUS

    When Iran returns to the stone age, the war will spread to the Middle East and the financial system will collapse. You will experience economic destruction.

  80. peterAUS says:
    @HEREDOT

    What is your hypothesis?

    Several options.

    The ONLY reason I pay attention to this topic, or actually read/post on this site, is the last one. Number five.

    Firstly, I am positive we’ll see some military action against Iran within next 9 months. Which one, below:

    1. Light demonstration against some IRCG facilities/personnel.
    Iran takes it, doesn’t escalate, all back to “normal”.
    2. Heavy hit against Tehran regime and (potential) nuclear facilities in Iran.
    Iran…the same.
    3. Hit as above and Iran does retaliate. Hits increase. Damage bigger but after, say, a month, all back to “normal”.
    THIS, taking into account the JQ, could probably “fix” the problem for the next,say, 10 years.
    For me, this is the most likely scenario. Or combination of 2 and 3.
    From here it gets serious.
    4. As above but Iran does close Hormuz.
    Now…..Western response (including Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese…and…hehe..even New Zealand, with Fiji/Tonga/Samoa) is INTENSE.
    In this particular case we could see some sort of invasion on Iran soil; Hormuz shores etc. Even some sort of heavy pressure to include some sort of draft in US. THIS element is interesting for some other reasons.
    The blockage of Hormuz is easy to execute. The “unblockage” is not.
    Now……if…IF….the invasion to secure the passage there isn’t feasible (flesh on the ground…) we could see tactical nukes (after all other heavy ordnance, including “Daisy Cutters”) have been exhausted.
    In this case we will see Russian direct involvement. Probably like Syria. Something like that.
    5. The going from above hit a snag. Especially re Russian involvment.
    Taking into account the….ahm….quality of US leadership AND the quality of US general public we could get into environment for direct confrontation with Russia.
    From then on, well…..
    One word: NUKES.

    We have two fundamental problems here nobody is interested in solving:
    The very nature of US society/economy since ….well…war against Spain.
    The quality of US leadership and general public.
    Add nukes to above and, well….”Houston we have….”.

    Here we are.

    • Replies: @anon
  81. Spot on analysis! A must read for those who seek to understand the hyperbole of US foreign policy. KUDOS!!

  82. anon[362] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Let UD try ? It did in Kabul . Now it is trying to have a honored exit with security guarantees

    Connecting dots straight from A to B is easy and easy to understand , but the reality is all connections are indirect and multi nodal . In that labyrinth, US now finds Russia China Venezuela, Ukraine , Syria , Qatar , Turkey and Pakistan re-emerging as challenge, headaches , or adversary . Domestically it finds itself on the cliffs jutting out into poverty , violence , degradations and paranoia .

    This Stone Age hymn will not ring well even in its own American ears .

    • Agree: HEREDOT
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  83. anon[362] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    “ light demonstration against some IRCG..”

    Here is Iranian response .

    “According to well-informed sources, Iran rejected a proposal by US intelligence – made via a third party – that Trump be allowed to bomb one, two or three clear objectives, to be chosen by Iran, so that both countries could appear to come out as winners and Trump could save face. Iran categorically rejected the offer and sent its reply: even an attack against an empty sandy beach in Iran would trigger a missile launch against US objectives in the Gulf.

    https://ejmagnier.com/2019/06/21/iran-and-trump-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/

    https://www.antiwar.com

    6/22/19

    150 people ‘s lives were too much to bear

    Albright thought millions a year were ok .

    150 everyday in Yemen is still ok .

    • Replies: @Miro23
  84. alexander says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Hi Johnny,

    I am almost 56 years of age, I was 28 when Desert Storm began.

    I remember the run up to the operation, very well .

    I remember feeling, at the time, an authentic sense of trepidation.

    Would we lose 5000 troops…20,000.. ,50,000 , …perhaps more ?

    Would this be my era’s Vietnam, ….dragging on for years and years, costing 100’s of thousands of innocent lives ?

    Would we end up losing again, after years of meaningless deaths ?

    Was there mustard gas or chemical weapons within Saddam’s arsenal ? …Would they be used against us ?

    I can tell you nobody knew to a certainty what would happen, once the bullets started flying and the bombs started dropping.

    I didn’t, ….. that’s for sure.

    I remember the reason why we were there too.

    Saddam had Illegally INVADED KUWAIT….which was , at the time, recognized as the “supreme International crime”.

    No different in its criminality …from Hitler invading Poland, ….or France.

    No different in its criminality …from Bush Jr…invading Iraq in 2003.

    It was not one BIG LIE that Saddam invaded Kuwait. He really did.!..despite “Democracy Now’s”
    absolute certainty the illegal invasion never happened….and it was all about “incubator babies”.

    What a crock of shit !.

    I can tell you now, I do not even remember the “incubator story”…it may have occurred, but it was so inconsequential, nobody cared.

    Nobody.

    It never “swayed” my opinion….Not one person I knew at the time thought about it enough to even mention it, ….ever.

    There were six UNSC resolutions passed over the course of the following year, all unanimous in condemning Saddams invasion and demanding he get out.ASAP…Not one of the resolutions ever mentioned “incubator babies”.(Sheesh)

    Let me say to you, with absolute certainty,we went into Kuwait to repel an illegal invasion….nobody went to war over “a few babies being tossed out of incubators “..

    Give me a break.

    You fella’s need to “wake up” and learn to smell the revisionist propaganda when it hits you …and it can hit you….. from any where…., at any time…even from the sources you know you can trust.

    Our Neocons are working overtime, to merge their “criminal invasion” of 2003 with the legal operation to repel a “criminal invasion” in 1991..

    They are trying to smudge their dirt, and “retrofit” their heinous crime in 2003…with the legal action in 1991.

    It is shameful that “Democracy Now”, was so eager to oblige them, and obfuscate the supreme crime of invasion ,(which did occur), while focusing on the meaningless ” incubator babies ” as the “casus belli” for war.

    It wasn’t…not by a country mile ……not by 10,000 country miles.

    I find the whole story disgraceful in its deflection and gross revisionism, belying some twisted rationale ,no doubt, to subtly “excuse” the perpetrators of Iraq war 2003 for their deceits, and their heinous crime against humanity.

    From those I thought I could trust.

    Wow.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @KA
    , @Robjil
  85. @Johnny Walker Read

    Yes I do agree with you. Initial impulse and also guiding of US anti Iran policies are coming from Israel. There is no doubt about it. The problem is that Obama did give Iran such a sweet deal that US simply cannot live with it.
    Democrats make such an insane wold policies that when Republicans come to power they have such a large work load that it takes all working hours for Republicans to correct them.
    There is another factor here that Muslim states are fighting for hegemony in Muslim world.
    Now Iran in this sense is assuming the lead. That factor make other Moslem countries even less cooperative with them. Nobody can see the future, I only worry that Iran’s moves are premature.
    I do understand that Iran is the injured party in this case. My opinion is that for the time being Iran should live with it.
    My estimation is that Iran should scroll back and negotiate.
    Trump refused to go tit for tat.That smells dangerous to me. Trump just may go full force if Iran makes a move ahead.
    Peace is better than war for everybody. So Iran should wait for better occasion to level out the conflict.

  86. @Wally

    It’s all cashflow and OPM, on the hope of hitting the big-time when prices spike. A giant house of cards waiting to implode, and that is before one takes into account all the hugely negative externalities associated with fracking that give it any hope of profitability, which would vapourise if the costs of the externalities were charged to the operators.

    https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/will-fracking-industry-debts-set-off-financial-tremors/

    https://energypolicy.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/CGEPReserveBaseLendingAndTheOutlookForShaleOilAndGasFinance.pdf

  87. @alexander

    Would this be my era’s Vietnam, ….dragging on for years and years, costing 100’s of thousands of innocent lives ?

    Funny, but the rationale for Vietnam was to prevent a Domino Effect of International Communism taking over country after country. Seems like there’s a who new Domino Effect at work now.

  88. anon[770] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Fact:

    According to preliminary data for 2018, oil demand surpassed 20 mmb/d for the first time since 2007 and will be just shy of the 2005 peak (20,524 mb/d versus 20,802 mb/d in 2005).

    U.S. Oil Demand Recovers | CSIS | January 29, 2019
    https://www.csis.org/analysis/us-oil-demand-recovers

    Fact:


    Source: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/global_oil.php

  89. peterAUS says:
    @anon

    You remind me of some other poster here so I’ll try.
    Scenario:
    “Progtard” clan in the White House. Limited invasion of Iran with heavy call on reserves and encouragement of volunteering which both, naturally, target “deplorables”.

    Progtards in power; deplorables getting shipped overseas/decimated there.

    I’d call this scenario ideal for a sizable portion of US society.

    What say you?

  90. Cyrano says:

    It’s really tragic to see two brotherly ideologies Capitalism and Islam (both want to rule the world) go at each other throats in this manner. After all, they have fought shoulder to shoulder a holly jihad against socialism in such far flung places as Afghanistan, Iraq and now Syria.

    I think that based on this latest conflict, people can see what a principled country US is. People used to think that US hates only socialist revolutions. Until Iran’s Islamic revolution came along – and US was against it too. So, it’s safe to say that US are against ANY revolutions – be they Socialist or Islamic. I guess we can call them contra-revolutionaries.

  91. @Andrei Martyanov

    Absolutely agree with you! Janny Bolton is like an old dog that sniffs around for a left over from a cat! He’s so old that he will take his wishes with him when he’s put in a corner of room by himself to think about it.
    BTW, Janny in Farsi means criminal

  92. At least 95% of the American people do not want war with Iran. For that matter the same percentage did not want war with Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam or Korea. But the powers that be do not ask the American people if they want to go to war, they just do it based on the authority they assume is theirs. Meanwhile, our elected representatives who do have the authority to start or prevent wars turn a deaf ear to their constituents because the voices they hear in protest are weak or muted. Let’s face it, the wars since WWII have affected only a relatively minor segment of our population. A hell of a lot more people die in traffic accidents than on the battlefield so what’s to get excited about. Keeping a large standing army, navy and air force is good for the economy, the troops have to be provided the latest best of everything and as for the troops themselves for many it’s not a bad way to make a living with a retirement and health care system better than many jobs in the civilian sector. So my message to the American people is if you really do not want war with Iran you had better speak up louder than you are now.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
    , @Anonymous
  93. anon[356] • Disclaimer says:

    CAN IRAN ENTER ITO NEGOTIATION WITH IRAN? IT CANT. BECAUSE ISRAEL WITH NO FOOT IN THE DOOR OF THE HELL IS WAGING THE WAR AND GETTING US PUNISHED .

    UC Berkeley journalism professor Sandy Tolan, Los Angeles Times, December 1, 2002– [Richard] Perle, in the same 1998 article, told Forward that a coalition of pro-Israeli groups was ‘at the forefront with the legislation with regard to Iran. One can only speculate what it might accomplish if it decided to focus its attention on Saddam Hussein.’ Now, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has joined the call against Tehran, arguing in a November interview with the Times of London that the U.S. should shift its focus to Iran ‘the day after’ the Iraq war ends

    [MORE]

    ——-
    They want to foment revolution in Iran and use that to isolate and possibly attack Syria in [Lebanon’s] Bekaa Valley, and force Syria out,” says former Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Affairs Edward S. Walker, now president of the Middle East Institute. http://prospect.org/article/just-beginning
    03/14/03

    in 2003 Morris Amitay and fellow neocon Michael Ledeen founded the Coalition for Democracy in Iran, an advocacy group pushing for regime change in Iran . According to the website, it will be un-American,immoral and unproductive to engage with any segment of the regime .
    During a may 2003 conference at the AEI on the future of Iran,Amitay sharply criticized the U.S State Department’s efforts to engage the Islamic Republic ,claimed the criticism of Newt Gingrich did not go far enough . Amiaty was introduced by M Ledeen as the “Godfather” of AIPAC Amitay admitted that direct action against Iran would be difficult before 2004 election.

    Nostalgia for the last shah’s son, Reza Pahlavi … has again risen,” says Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former CIA officer who, like Ledeen and Perle, is ensconced at the AEI. “We must be prepared, however, to take the battle more directly to the mullahs,” says Gerecht, adding that the United States must consider strikes at both Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps and allies in Lebanon. “In fact, we have only two meaningful options: Confront clerical Iran and its proxies militarily or ring it with an oil embargo.” http://prospect.org/article/just-beginning March 14,2003

    “Neoconservatives in the Bush Administration have long targeted Iran. Richard Perle, former Defense Policy Board member, and David Frum, of the neo-com Weekly Standard, co-authored “An End to Evil,” which calls for the overthrow of the “terrorist mullahs of Iran.” Michael Ladeen of the influential American Enterprise Institute argues that “Tehran is a city just waiting for us.” http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/05/26/the-oil-connection/

    According to the 2016 documentary Zero Days by director Alex Gibney, Israel’s incessant public threats to attack Iran coupled with intense secret demands for cyber warfare targeting Iran were the catalyst for massive new US black budget spending

    NSA Director (1999-2005) and CIA Director (2006-2009) Michael Hayden claimed in Zero Days that the goal of any Israeli air attack against Iran’s nuclear facilities would be to drag the United States into war.
    “Our belief was that if they [Israel] went on their own, knowing the limitations…No, they’re a very good air force, alright? But it’s small and the distances are great, and the targets dispersed and hardened, alright? If they would have attempted a raid on a military plane, we would have been assuming that they were assuming we would finish that which they started. In other words, there would be many of us in government thinking that the purpose of the raid wasn’t to destroy the Iranian nuclear system, but the purpose of the raid was to put us [the United States] at war with Iran.” https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2018/11/06/israel-and-the-trillion-dollar-2005-2018-us-intelligence-budget

  94. KA says:

    Emergence of ISIS is linked to US efforts to weaken Iran

    -In “The Redirection”, written in 2008(!) – years before the 2011 uprising, Seymour Hersh wrote of plans to use extremists in Syria.
    Excerpts:
    To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.
    Nasr compared the current situation to the period in which Al Qaeda first emerged. In the nineteen-eighties and the early nineties, the Saudi government offered to subsidize the covert American C.I.A. proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Hundreds of young Saudis were sent into the border areas of Pakistan, where they set up religious schools, training bases, and recruiting facilities. Then, as now, many of the operatives who were paid with Saudi money were Salafis. Among them, of course, were Osama bin Laden and his associates, who founded Al Qaeda, in 1988.
    This time, …”

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  95. @Avery

    Not really! All Iran needs to do to announce that the entire Gulf is now a war zone! All insurance companies will drop their coverage of the oil tankers immediately. No fool and stupid carrier is willing to risk their ships and traffic will seize quickly. This is without even firing a shot! You guys sitting here and making up these nonsensical policies

    • Replies: @Avery
  96. bluedog says:
    @MLK

    Damn I sure wish I haden’t used the agree button so I could use the troll button.!!!

    • Replies: @MLK
  97. @Wally

    Sure! Russia and Venezuela are going to have many fun parties when the price of oil reaches $300 or $500 or $1000 per barrel. The first which sink economically is EU but China has its friends in Venezuela

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  98. What is the evidence that Iran has the capability to shut down the Straits of Hormuz for a long period of time in the face of determined opposition? Some questions that must be asked:

    1. What is the Iranian inventory of anti-ship missiles, torpedoes, mines, and bombs?

    2. What is the technological level of these munitions?

    3. How many, and what kinds, delivery systems does Iran have?

    4. What is Iran’s production capability?

    5. At what rate can outside powers, assuming they are willing, deliver replacement munitions and delivery systems to Iran?

    And a long period of time is what’s required. The industrial economies all have major strategic petroleum reserves. Capabilities to increase production outside of the Gulf exist as well.

    As for the idea that the global economy will collapse…lol. Never listen to permabears.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @peterAUS
    , @By-tor
  99. onebornfree says: • Website

    The Truth About Iran’s Nuclear Program:

    ““Be afraid!” say the repeaters of mockingbird media. Afraid of who? Afraid of Iran, of course.

    Oh, haven’t you heard? The Iranian government’s stockpile of enriched uranium is about to surpass 300 kilograms! And Iran’s store of heavy water is about to surpass 130 metric tons! Don’t you understand? This will exceed the limits on these materials set out in the Iran nuclear deal, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)! And the dastardly Iranian government is not only embarrassed by these actions, but openly taking steps to end (some of) their commitments under the JCPOA!

    Sounds chilling, doesn’t it? But there’s one little disclaimer that seems missing from a lot of the MSM’s scaremongering coverage of these developments: None of this has anything to do with an offensive nuclear weapons program.

    Confused? Of course you are. The highly-technical details of the 159-page nuclear agreement were never meant to be scrutinized by (much less understood by) the average Joe Sixpack and Jane Soccermom. Words like “enriched” and “highly enriched,” “heavy water” and “tritium,” “nuclear program” and “nuclear weapons program” are thrown around by the media as if these terms are all the same, even though they describe fundamentally different materials and processes. And the whole point is to make the public afraid of a nuclear weapons program that both US and Israeli intelligence has confirmed doesn’t exist……”:

    https://www.corbettreport.com/the-truth-about-irans-nuclear-program/

    Regards, onebornfree

  100. @Simply Simon

    In the old days, the orders for the US government were coming down from the Tri-Lateral Commission and the 6-7 major companies. Rockefeller took the TLC underground ground with himself. The oil companies continue asking the US government for protecting the ME/NA resources. Then Neocons replaced the TLC which their focus was twofold.
    1. Destabilize the regions for protecting Israel
    2. Control the resources militarily
    3. Keep the Chinese out and cut their access to the resources
    Guess what, Chinese have penetrated the regions constructively and quietly. America with its unjustified fucking wars is being hated even more than 1953.

  101. Junior says:
    @denk

    Still on here spewing your anti-American bullshit I see.

    And still using your “unitedsnake” catchphrase even after you’ve been shown that it’s a compliment to us “Don’t Tread On Me” Americans.

    You’re going to have to learn to be more creative than that, denk.
    Your envy of America is showing.
    LMAO! 😀

  102. Zumbuddi says:

    Thanks for the recommendations, Alexander.

    While I’m reading the UN resolutions, perhaps you will flip through
    Pierre Salinger’s Secret Dossier: The Hidden Agenda Behind the Gulf War,

    And Jeff Engel (editor) Into the Desert,
    Engel is director of Bush’s library. He researched Bush’s archives to determine how, who, and why Bush decided to go to war.

    And Jack O’Connell & Vernon Loeb, King’s Counsel: A Memoir of War, Espionage and Diplomacy.
    O’Connell, who died before the book was completed (Loeb had been working w/ O’Connell & finished the project), had been ambassador to Jordan and continued as friend and counsel to King Hussein. Together, they crafted a resolution to the conflict and achieved cooperation of the other Arab heads of state, incl. Saddam.
    Bush rejected their efforts.

    • Replies: @alexander
  103. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Simply Simon

    Polls are saying 70% of Americans approve of war.

  104. Richard B says:

    “Presenting detailed derivatives analysis plus military analysis to global media would force the media pack, (((mostly Western))), to go to Warren Buffett to see if it is true.”

    They’ve earned the paranthesis. There’s nothing Western about them.

    Or, for those tired of the paranthesis, I propose the code name Jessica,
    JEwiSh Supremacy Inc. Controls America.

    Stock up on food and water and bring on those derivatives. We’ll weather the storm or die trying.
    Western man has not come this far to have his life and all the good things in it snuffed out by the likes of Jessica.

    Time to present them with our own version of The Samson Option.

  105. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Peace is better than war for everybody

    Amen! The average American is sick of the foreign interventions and monstrously bloated defense spending. All we want is to be left alone and for our government to uphold our constitution and bill of rights.

    • Replies: @anon
  106. @KA

    Very true! Unfortunately the presidents were misinformed or uninformed about the proxies created by the CIA. The first created to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan manned and financed by the Saudis, recruited by Mossad and intelligence was provided by the CIA. Sound really really good to the Americans since it was free of charge with no loss of life! Then during the Iraq war its neighbor Syria was getting destabilized so the CIA replicated Al-Qaeda and formed a new gang which called themselves ISIS. The function of ISIS was to overthrow Al-Bashar of Syria. The secondary mission for both groups was to bug Iran from its western and eastern front.
    Manning both of these groups with Sunnis was the biggest mistake that KSA, Mossad and the CIA made. See the Sunnis are not fighters without sophisticated weapons from the West. On the other Shiites can fight with a sword and empty handed if they have to. They remind me of VC’s in Vietnam. The Shiites decimated the ISIS and most of AlQaeda now the US is trying to get credit for that but they know better now. So my recommendation to the US is please don’t aggravate the Shiites otherwise they will embarrass us just the VC’s

  107. KA says:
    @alexander

    1

    This led many to conclude that, in the words of Sir Edward Mortimer, “It seems [likely] Saddam Hussein went ahead with the invasion because he believed the U.S. would not react with anything more than verbal condemnation.”
    http://www.salon.com/2016/02/28/theyre_still_lying_about_the_first_gulf_war_how_the_first_george_bush_helped_create_todays_middle_east_trouble

     2
    April 1989 “CENTCOM assesses that Iraq will be the next likely regional threat in the wake of the Iran-Iraq War and the decline of the Soviet Union.”
    August 1989 “DIA military capability analysts disseminate Iraqi invasion of Kuwait scenario to CENTCOM and other commands. CENTCOM concurs with analysis by late 1989. It becomes the scenario for CENTCOM’s Command Post Exercise (CPX), Internal Look, in July 1990.
    July 1990 “DIA analysts participate in three-week-long NWC war game of an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. The war game mirrors reality as crisis approaches in Iraq and Kuwait.”
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/gulf-war-shenanigans/
    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB39/document16.pdf

    3
    Yes, well (you might argue), we needed to go fight Saddam in 1991, in order to protect our great ally Kuwait (which Iraq invaded at the end of 1990)!  But, that’s not so. The Gulf War should never have been fought.

    In the lead-up to the invasion of Kuwait, the United States’ ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, met with Saddam.

     According to a transcript of that meeting released by the Margaret Thatcher Foundation, Ambassador Glaspie told Saddam, “We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.” http://www.salon.com/2016/02/28/theyre_still_lying_about_the_first_gulf_war_how_the_first_george_bush_helped_create_todays_middle_east_trouble/

    • Agree: RobinG
    • Replies: @alexander
  108. dearieme says:
    @Jim Christian

    they killed Jack and Bob Kennedy for being Anti-Vietnam

    It was JFK who got the Vietnam War underway for the USA, and had the President of South Vietnam bumped off when he wouldn’t prosecute the war in Kennedy’s preferred way.

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
    • Replies: @Robjil
  109. Avery says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    { All insurance companies will drop their coverage of the oil tankers immediately.}

    During the Iran-Iraq war, US re-flagged Kuwaiti tankers and ran them under US flag and protection through the straight.
    Same thing can be done again.

    And if insurance companies drop coverage, US Treasury will provide the coverage: some US insurance company will be “convinced” by US Gov to provide the coverage and US Treasury will guarantee _any_ losses incurred by the insurance company or companies.
    US can always add to the national debt (….i.e. print more dollars).

    So, no: declaration won’t do.
    Only destroying stuff works.

    {You guys sitting here and making up these nonsensical policies}

    Nobody is making policy here: we are not a government.
    We are exchanging opinions.

    btw: where are you sitting?
    Are your personal opinions considered ‘policy’, because you are……..what?

  110. RobinG says:
    @anon

    That was buried deep in the article. (Thanks for posting link.) Next lines, the NYT is skeptical of US claims. Too bad this isn’t first pararaphs!)

    Lt. Gen. Joseph Guastella, the Air Force commander for the Central Command region in the Middle East, said the attack could have endangered “innocent civilians,” even though officials at Central Command continued to assert that the drone was over international waters. He said that the closest that the drone got to the Iranian coast was 21 miles.

    Late Thursday, the Defense Department released additional imagery in an email to support its case that the drone never entered Iranian airspace. But the department incorrectly called the flight path of the drone the location of the shooting down and offered little context for an image that appeared to be the drone exploding in midair.

    It was the latest attempt by the Pentagon to try to prove that Iran has been the aggressor in a series of international incidents.

  111. RobinG says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Thank you. If the US were a real [HONEST] policeman, they would have stopped Kuwait from stealing Iraqi oil. But no, Bush was a dirty cop, on the take.

  112. @Thorfinnsson

    You are assuming the same determination on the side of Iran and the US and its sidekicks. This assumption is dead wrong. After the loss of two aircraft carriers the US will deflate like a pricked balloon. Europe has no willpower to begin with. If you don’t believe this, look at 18 years of war in Afghanistan, where the troops from the US and its vassals are cowardly holed up inside their fortified bases, despite having vastly superior toys, whereas Taliban with primitive Kalashnikovs and equally primitive mentality roams the country. Or look at Yemen Houthis with old-fashioned weapons, many vintage WWII, beating the crap out KSA and other Gulf satrapies with their hundreds of billions worth of the most sophisticated weapons.

    Russia and China have the will to fight, but they would be on the Iranian side, openly or (more likely) covertly.

    As far as Western economies go, oil profiteers will jump onto high oil prices, like there is no tomorrow (you can go by the example of MIC profiteers, who effectively emasculated the US and European military for the sake of rich pickings). The system based on naked greed has no chance against any serious adversary. It will mostly crush itself, with a little prodding from the enemy.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  113. peterAUS says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    What is the evidence that Iran has the capability to shut down the Straits of Hormuz for a long period of time in the face of determined opposition?

    Very important question. Answer: depends on what exactly you mean by “determined”?

    Some questions that must be asked:

    1. What is the Iranian inventory of anti-ship missiles, torpedoes, mines, and bombs?

    I’d just focus on “mines” and “anti-ship missiles”.
    Now………………….in the case of the later it gets VERY complicated.

    2. What is the technological level of these munitions?

    Mines good enough for the job. Missiles,again, gets VERY complicated.
    Bottom line: you put the missile on improvised launcher on a truck……

    3. How many, and what kinds, delivery systems does Iran have?

    For either, PLENTY.

    4. What is Iran’s production capability?

    Doesn’t matter. They don’t appear to be idiots, so, the stocks they have should be quite enough. Mins and missiles I mean.
    The question is: how to degrade “missile” problem well enough to start mine clearing operation.
    VERY COMPLICATED problem, from purely military-technical perspective.

    5. At what rate can outside powers, assuming they are willing, deliver replacement munitions and delivery systems to Iran?

    Doesn’t matter for mines and missiles. They have stock large enough (providing their brains work at the level from 13 old up).Missiles in particular.

    And a long period of time is what’s required. The industrial economies all have major strategic petroleum reserves. Capabilities to increase production outside of the Gulf exist as well.

    Yes.

    As for the idea that the global economy will collapse…lol. Never listen to permabears.

    Yes.

    Here is scenario for you:
    Mine-clearing operation can not start, let alone be successful, unless you have “missile” threat minimized a LOT.
    You can’t have missile problem minimized as required above unless you accomplish either/both:
    The regime in Tehran doesn’t WANT to do it anymore.
    You control the shores of Hormuz and up to….say…….don’t know. 50 Kms most likely, at minimum. Depends on terrain (configuration).

    Hehehe……I am sure that the above is the ONLY reason we haven’t seen the fireworks. Yet.

  114. Robjil says:
    @alexander

    1991 war on Iraq was for Israel. Connect the dots. Jewish sites understand it.
    This article was written in 2003 before the second US attack on Iraq. Purim related again.

    https://www.meaningfullife.com/connection-between-purim-and-gulf-war/

    “Persian Gulf War 2003.

    Persian Gulf War 357 bce.

    Persian Gulf War I in 1991 ended on Purim.

    The ultimatum to Iraq today is for Purim eve.

    Too many Persian dots to ignore.

    What is it about this region – the Persian Gulf, and the Middle East in general – that continues to remain a hotbed in the spotlight?”

    2011 war on Libya started on Purim.

    2019 war ??? Purim passed. Another Jewish theme will be followed if it goes to plan this year.

    The Nuremberg Trial had hangings in Oct. 1946. Purim is in the spring. A Purim theme was created by hanging 10 National Socialists, like they were the ten sons of Haman. So Purim theme could be worked out anytime of the year. Iran is where the first Purim happened. So Iran is the goldmine for Purim mania.

    • Replies: @KA
  115. Derivatives fibrillate the world
    economic body. Pop interest rates
    And the heart explodes, crashing the world
    And sinking ‘Murika beneath Hormuz’s gates.

  116. Robjil says:
    @dearieme

    Read “JFK and the Unspeakable” by James W. Douglass. JFK was getting us out of Vietnam. In his time, there was not massive amounts of US troops in Vietnam, only advisors. JFK planned to get all the troops out after he was re-elected.

    It was during Johnson’s presidency that the Vietnam war became a huge war for the US. Johnson set up the Gulf of Tonkin false flag on August 2 1964. This started the huge draft of young men for Vietnam war that dragged on till the early 1970s.

    Johnson also allowed Israel to do a false flag on the US on June 8 1967. Israel attacked the USS Liberty. 34 servicemen killed and 174 injured. Israel wanted to kill them all and blame it on Egypt, so US would nuke Egypt. Lovely nation is little Israel. The song ” Love is all you need” by the Beatles was released on June 7 1967. Summer of Love, Hippies in San Francisco, all planned to get Americans into drugs and forget about what Israel is doing in the Middle East. It worked, nobody noticed what Israel did since we have a “free” 500 Zion BC press in the US in 1967 and we still do these days.

    • Replies: @neprof
    , @2stateshmustate
  117. Pft says:

    Iran is pretty self sufficient with minimal foreign debt. Their Central Bank is under their control and works for the people. They should just hunker down and hope Trumps crew is out of a job after the elections next year

    If the US strikes they can block the straits. However, the US would probably knock out the refineries so that will hurt

    They shot down the drone because it was collecting intelligence on targets the US plans to strike. Thats defensive not provocative

    If the US wants to go at Iran they will manufacture something. People are so dumbed down they can made to believe anything, as events 18 years ago and since have proven

    Hopefully this is just distraction to cover up some nefarious plan to loot the working class some more. Or maybe getting the straits closed is part of the plan. Who knows?

  118. anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    You’re just getting served right, Amerifatass.

  119. MLK says:
    @bluedog

    You should try to settle yourself down when you’re tip-tapping on the computer. Otherwise you make mistakes.

  120. alexander says:
    @Zumbuddi

    Hi Zumbuddi,

    You say King Hussein and O’Connell crafted a resolution….Great…Can you show it to me ?

    Need I remind you that the US did not engage Iraq the day after its invasion, nearly a year transpired before we sent in our military.

    Saddam was given plenty of time, and plenty of resolutions …to pack up his troops and go home.

    I understood there were three reasons why Saddam invaded Kuwait:

    1) Saddam accused Kuwait of “horizontal drilling” into Iraqi territory.

    2) Saddam felt Kuwait owed Iraq “protection money” for the war it fought against Iran (on Kuwait’s behalf).

    3) Saddam claimed that Kuwait was originally part of “historic” Greater Iraq, so he had the right to seize it as his own sovereign territory.

    None of these arguments satisfied even one member of the entire Security Council.

    which included:

    [MORE]

    Austria
    Ecuador
    Zimbabwe
    Belgium
    India
    Sri Lanka
    Australia
    Spain
    Hungary
    Iran
    Japan
    Liechtenstein
    Mexico
    Peru
    Tanzania
    Sweden
    Venezuela
    Yugoslavia

    as well as the five permanent members:

    The United States
    Great Britain
    France
    Russia
    China

    If none of these countries were satisfied with Iraq’s rationale for its invasion of Kuwait…what can I tell you…….Perhaps Saddam should have just packed up his troops …and gone home.

    • Replies: @anon
  121. alexander says:
    @KA

    Yes,

    I know the story.

    Is it true…. possibly…but so what ?

    Take the time to read the UN Security Council resolutions passed after Saddam’s illegal invasion.

    They will show you what the rulings were.

    They are unanimous …and definitive.

    Whatever Glaspie said, or did not say….Ambassador Joe Wilson was sent over, one last time before Desert Storm, to tell Saddam to leave.

    Saddam chose not to…..So there you go.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @RobinG
    , @anon
  122. renfro says:

    this might be the real story……

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/06/22/why-trump-didnt-bomb-iran-449575

    THE TICK TOCKS … WHY TRUMP DIDN’T BOMB IRAN … NYT’S PETER BAKER, MAGGIE HABERMAN and THOMAS GIBBONS-NEFF:

    “Urged to Launch an Attack, Trump Listened to the Skeptics Who Said It Would Be a Costly Mistake”: “He heard from his generals and his diplomats. Lawmakers weighed in and so did his advisers. But among the voices that rang powerfully for President Trump was that of one of his favorite Fox News hosts: Tucker Carlson.
    “While national security advisers were urging a military strike against Iran, Mr. Carlson in recent days had told Mr. Trump that responding to Tehran’s provocations with force was crazy. The hawks did not have the president’s best interests at heart, he said. And if Mr. Trump got into a war with Iran, he could kiss his chances of re-election goodbye. …

    “The 150-dead casualty estimate came not from a general but from a lawyer, according to the official. The estimate was developed by Pentagon lawyers drafting worst-case scenarios that, the official said, did not account for whether the strike was carried out during daytime, when more people might be present at the targets, or in the dark hours before sunrise, as the military planned.
    “That estimate was passed to the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, without being cleared with [Patrick] Shanahan or General [Joseph] Dunford. It was then conveyed to the president by the White House lawyers, at which point Mr. Trump changed his mind and called off the strike.” NYT … NYT A1
    “That estimate was passed to the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, without being cleared with [Patrick] Shanahan or General [Joseph] Dunford. It was then conveyed to the president by the White House lawyers, at which point Mr. Trump changed his mind and called off the strike.” NYT … NYT A1

  123. Iris says:

    Saddam was given plenty of time, and plenty of resolutions …to pack up his troops and go home

    .

    Saddam was given the assurance by US ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie, that the USA supported his retaliatory action against Kuwait. Same usual trap and deliberate provocation; all the rest is obfuscation.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @anon
  124. @AnonFromTN

    The loss of two American aircraft carriers appears to be the assumption you are making to guarantee an Iranian victory.

    Such a loss is by no means assured.

    The idea that American willpower will collapse in the event of the loss of two capital ships is your second assumption, and it’s both a fanciful and dangerous assumption.

    I’m not myself terribly impressed by American military power, but comparing naval combat to counterinsurgency operations is absurd.

    Your economic assumptions appear to come from the permabear school. Actual economies and governments don’t work that way. A major reduction in global supplies will result in compulsory conservation, rationing, price controls, etc. This was done in recent memory in the 1970s in both North America and Western Europe, when you were still behind the Iron Curtain and perhaps not aware.

  125. @peterAUS

    Do you have any actual numbers?

    Does anyone?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  126. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @alexander

    Saddam was given plenty of time, and plenty of resolutions …to pack up his troops and go home.”

    Efforts by Egypt to arrive an Arab initiated solution was ignored and dismissed by USA

    Initial Saudi effort to find a face saving exit by Saddam was met with resistance and then a manufactured satellite image of Saddam massing his soldiers for invasion of Saudi was widely disseminated by US.

    Saddam crimes was no less or more egregious than what Israel was enjoying with US dollars and with US support and with impunity ( It was still occupying Pastien and Parts of Syria and Lebanon )

    It was Levy the Israeli FM who threatened that his country would attack Iraq if US did not.

    War against Saddam was orchestrated by Jewish members of Thatcher and by Democrats of USA ) Solarz – NY Senator was one of the guys and the AIPAC whose president Mr. Dine confessed the crimes )

  127. neprof says:
    @Robjil

    Read “JFK and the Unspeakable” by James W. Douglass.

    Should be required reading by all Americans.

  128. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @alexander

    UN has been abused by USA taking the advantage of the collapse of Soviet . (This is what Wolf0owitz told Wesley Clarke in 1992 in Feb : This was the time we can and we should take care of these countries Iran Iraq Syria Libya and Yemen while Russia is still weakened and unable to help its erstwhile vassals states) .

    USA had no right to ask Saddam to leave . Subsequent behaviors of USA has proved it.
    Israel also in addition has no right to exist .

    If correction had to come from Iran Hezbollah and Syria- then so be it. That news would be best thing that would happen to humanity within last 200 yrs .

  129. KA says:
    @Robjil

    Wolfowitz has been trying to kill Saddam and dismember Iraq from 1979.

    The rat got his hand the Cookie jar after Soviet collapsed.

    ( Ref- Sunshine Warrior NYT )

  130. RobinG says:
    @alexander

    You’re begging for a big “So What?”

    There are UN resolutions about all kinds of things. Israel comes first to mind, of course. UN resolutions do not obligate military action.

    • Replies: @alexander
  131. anon[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    but — but — but (sputters Alexander the otherwise sage commenter), The UN — that’s the U-nited Nations!! fer pete’s ache, Agreed!! ( Agreed is Diplomatese for: “Please stop twisting my arm; Please stop bankrupting my country; Please stop threatening to tell my wife —).

    in other words, the UN is a toy and a ploy for someone like G H W Bush salivating at the once in a lifetime opportunity to exert world dominance — ‘scuse me: “Create a New World Order” — in the context of a power vacuum / dissolution of the Soviet Empire, previously the only counterbalance to US superpower status.

    No doubt the UN was got on board. It acted like the paid-for- judge and show-trial in a case the prosecutor had already rigged.
    imho, what is more significant, and what it takes years to unearth, is the decision making and back-room dealing that came BEFORE the UN was induced to stamp its imprimatur.

    Tony Blair endorsed Bush the Lesser’s war on Iraq. Does that grant it legitimacy, or in any way explain why US waged that war?

  132. peterAUS says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Do you have any actual numbers?

    I don’t care about numbers.
    50 (proper) sea mines backed up by 20 air/land-sea missiles do the job. Block the Hormuz.
    I am sure the regime in Tehran has that number.

    Does anyone?

    Don’t think so.
    Mines in particular.
    While missiles could be tricky to produce even smart sea mines are not.
    A lot of explosive-check.
    A couple of sensors (acoustic/magnetic)-check.
    A couple of hardened micro controller boards-check.
    That’s it.

    In this very game there are, really, only two elements that interest me:
    Tactical nukes.
    Selective draft.

    What…hehe…really interests me is the escalation from “tactical” to “strategic”.

  133. @Thorfinnsson

    Let me make this clear: there won’t be Iranian victory. Iran will pay a hefty price. There will be the defeat of the Empire, though, a major climb down. The worst (for the Empire) part would be that the whole world would see that the king has no clothes. Then the backlash against the Empire (hated by 6/7th of the Earth population) starts, and that would be extremely painful for everyone in the US, guilty and innocent alike (myself included).

    Compulsory rationing and price controls were possible when the governments actually governed. When the whole governments and legislatures are full of corporations’ marionettes, as is the case now in the US and EU, these measures are impossible. Profiteers will have their day. They will crush Western economies and therefore themselves, but never underestimate the blinding force of greed. The same greedy bastards are supplying the US military with airplanes that have trouble flying and with ships costing untold billions that break down in the Panama canal, of all places. The same greedy scum destroyed the US industry and moved all production to China, in effect spelling the doom of the only country that could have protected their loot from other thieves. That’s the problem with greed: it makes people incredibly shortsighted.

  134. @joeshittheragman

    You are parasites on the world neck. That’s why your troops are all over the place.

  135. anon[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @alexander

    Is it true…. possibly…but so what ?

    So what? That nice lessons are being imparted slowly to the Israeli slave USA.

    USA does what other countries are accused of before invading . USA throws out any qualms any morality any legality . It uses UN . Right now it is illegally supplying arms to Saudi to Israel and to the rebels in Syria. These are the reasons US have gone to wars against other countries for. Now some countries are standing up and saying – those days are gone , you can’t attack any country anymore just because someone has been raped or someone has been distributing Viagra.

  136. alexander says:
    @RobinG

    I think you are right.

    And so did George Bush Senior.

    As a matter of fact, the whole world began to ask, you are willing to launch your military to eject Saddam from Kuwait…Bravo!…..Now what are willing to do about Israels illegal seizure of Palestinian territory in the West bank…….It is more or less the exact same crime, Isn’t it?

    George Bush Senior was the last US President in American History to withhold all loans to Israel, until it ceased and desisted from illegal settlement activity in the Palestinian Territories.

    Many believe it was his willingness to hold Israel to the same standard as everyone else, which cost him his second term.

    What do you think , Robin?

    • Replies: @RobinG
  137. By-tor says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Iran shot down a US Navy RQ-4A intel drone that cost $250: A model that is marketed as being hard to shoot down since it has an 11 mile high altitude ceiling and a long operational range. That a coastal AA missile battery knocked it down with one shot answers several questions.

  138. @Justsaying

    ‘…Was Iran succumbing to the JCPOA provisions and abiding by them not sufficient capitulation for the insane leaders in Washington?’

    ? The point is that Israel needs the United States to attack Iran. How does Iran agreeing to something help to bring that about?

  139. A123 says:

    The author makes a common error trying to analyze “America” as a single lump. A more refined look generates a very different headline:

    WIN: Christian Populists (MAGA)
    LOSE: Establishment National Socialists/Globalists

    Let us concentrate on one of the author’s faulty assumptions:

    … destroy the American economy by detonating the $1.2 quadrillion derivatives market; and that would collapse the world banking system, crushing the world’s $80 trillion GDP and causing an unprecedented depression.

    The U.S. has the FDIC and credit union equivalent NCUA to protect main street depositors, both individuals and small businesses. 95%+ of the core American economy is thus immunized against problems in the derivatives market. The author’s doom call about a depression is obviously wrong.

    National Socialist/Globalist wall street banks will be damaged. This is also a win for the MAGA Christian main street, as IndyMac owner George Soros is likely to he wiped out. Certainly the wall street establishment money pump to the anti-Christian DNC will be reduced.
    __________

    In a real win-win scenario, Deutsche Bank will almost certainly be bankrupted by a derivatives crash. The Euro currency zone does not have a FDIC. If Germany & France:
    — Print money to save DB depositors, every Euro nation will obtain the “Right to Print”.
    — Lets DB depositors fail, the Christian Yellow Vests (MEGA) main street will drag down Merkel and Macron’s National Socialist/Globalist authoritarian regimes.

    Either way the ECB club used to force austerity on the citizens of Christian nations will no longer be available.

    PEACE

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @renfro
  140. @By-tor

    To me it suggests that RQ-4A intel drone does not have the capabilities its was marketed for. In simple terms, the US taxpayers were swindled again. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view) most US weapons are way inferior to what’s advertised. The US MIC and brass cannot afford to put this to the test. So, fortunately, the “war” with Iran will be limited to the same venues as “wars” with NK and Venezuela: Twitter, Facebook, and the like.

  141. RobinG says:
    @alexander

    What do I think? I think you should pop over to Shelter Island and have a tête-à-tête with Fran Taubman, artist to artist. You guys have more in common than you’d like to admit. For instance, you think Israel has a right to exist in Palestine, in some sort of UN boundaries.

    As someone’s pointed out, in 1990 the Security Council was nothing but an endorser of US orders. (At least now, Russia and China have begun to act independent.) You’re insistence of the importance of those resolutions is …… weird.

    You’ve got this one big gripe about the debt, which I doubt has the significance you give it, but it gains you friends around here since you’re on the critic of Israel [lite] team. Meh. So, again, sunset on the bay with wine coolers ….. or do you think Fran’s a scotch-on-the-rocks kind of gal?

    • Replies: @alexander
  142. Miro23 says:
    @anon

    “According to well-informed sources, Iran rejected a proposal by US intelligence – made via a third party – that Trump be allowed to bomb one, two or three clear objectives, to be chosen by Iran, so that both countries could appear to come out as winners and Trump could save face.”

    Another variant is that the Zionists get so tired of the lack of progress on Iran, that they effectively run a coup in the U.S. and remove Trump.

    With MSM backing – and Trump out of the way – the war gets launched with Pence, Bolton & Pompeo – gets scaled up, and the Zionists declare their long desired National Emergency dictatorship.

  143. sarz says:
    @MLK

    Even the Iranian government has dropped the “Death to America” bullshit and bravado

    The Farsi phrase is “Amrika murdabad” which is badly translated as “Death to America”. It’s more like “Down with America” or, better, “America down the toilet”.

    The antonym of “murdabad” is “zindabad” which literally means “may (x) live forever”. So “Amrika Murdabad” is really a wish that America go down and stay down.

    The news I was wstching last night showed they are still chanting it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  144. Biff says:
    @A123

    The U.S. has the FDIC and credit union equivalent NCUA to protect main street depositors, both individuals and small businesses. 95%+ of the core American economy is thus immunized against problems in the derivatives market.

    Only about 3% of deposits are covered by insurance; the rest is covered by the house of cards you live in. Good luck!

    • Replies: @Baxter
  145. @PetrOldSack

    Could tell you more, but since understanding is more then fifty percent at the end of the receiver of the suggestion… then again, mostly the comment would be censured.

    If you don’t learn to write in English your comments won’t even be read.

  146. @By-tor

    Your price quote omitted several zeros. We don’t actually know how many missiles were fired or from what platforms.

    The RQ-4 is a reduced signature aircraft and not a stealth one. A Vietnam-era SA-2 Divina installation could detect an RQ-4 from tens of miles away slant range if presented with a lateral signature, as this instance, and destroy it. The F-117 shot down over Serbia was a considerably greater challenge to detect and attack.

    My hacker belief is the RQ-4 was actively surveilling Iranian territory while transiting Hormuz enroute to an elliptical station above the gulf. The Iranians snagged the transmissions, didn’t like what was being collected, and resolved a firing solution which gave them arguable claim to territorial violation. The process occupied considerable time, thus I believe the Iranians had a terrestrial informer who overlooked the airfield from which the RQ-4 was launched, just as with the F-117 shoot down, and the Iranians had committed to tracking and possibly detroying the RQ-4.

    The RQ-4 is a valuable platform in times of peace. During hostilities, however, they could very well suffer 100% regional losses. We have other platforms which have stealth signatures but to lose one during peacetime is unacceptable so they orbit Nevada for training instead.

    Iranians are an intelligent lot albeit a bit high strung. I despise what my country has done to them over generations. I suppose the Jews don’t want any competition and so we are goading Iran into a takedown just like nearly all the others in their neighborhood. The American people don’t give a crap, in part, because we are no longer a people.

    • Agree: Jim Christian, HEREDOT
    • Replies: @By-tor
    , @gsjackson
  147. One Tribe says:
    @denk

    I disagree, strongly.
    I am their neighbour, to the north.
    For the most part, the people are good.
    Yes, there are multiple perception management campaigns, designed degradation of the education system, and obviously, the ridiculously slanted mainstream media, affecting people, generationally.

    But the enemy of humanity is a small minority, obsessed with control and power, culturally conditioned to hatred, and ultimately destruction, for the sake of… destruction.
    The whole world needs these people to step up and take back control of their country, traditionally opposed to foreign military adventurism.

    If you actually knew the people, I can’t see how you would write such comments.

    Instead, focusing your cognitive energies towards freeing the minds of these people, would have much better potential of achieving the assumed preferred outcomes.

    Don’t give in to hate; there is a lot of good left in America.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @denk
  148. Biff says:
    @One Tribe

    there is a lot of good left in America.

    About 45% of people in America are hopelessly indoctrinated by religion and their various myths, and dogmas. Another 45% are fully lobotomized by the media, and have not one brain cell they can call their own. 4% live in social media full time, so count them out of everything. 1% own everything, and make all the decisions rendering the world outside of their own a dumping ground – they are truly evil.
    That leaves about 5% being decent people.
    You can have the place.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  149. Anonymous[843] • Disclaimer says:
    @sarz

    “Death to America” is actually “Marg bar Amrika”

    in Farsi.

    “Amrika Murdabad” may be Farsi – the language has influenced others, but it is certainly Urdu. I would have thought it more likely to be chanted in Karachi than Tehran. But in Urdu at least, “Murdabad” does mean “down with”.

    • Replies: @sarz
  150. renfro says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    The problem is that Obama did give Iran such a sweet deal that US simply cannot live with it.

    Thats a ridiculous statement. Iran poses no threat to the US and the US can live with the deal just fine. Its the Saudi throne, other Sunni satellite countries and Israel that can’t live with Iran’s influence in the region. …that has brought the US to this junction.
    Now you would think that that a swinging dick superpower like the US would just tell Saudi and Israel to sit down and shut up and fight for their influence and hegemon status without calling on the US….BUT since the US balls have been removed and are on display in a Israeli museum there is no chance of the US acting like a actual independent superpower pursuing its own interest.

    However this is what is going on—>Trump is caught between his tough guy wannabeism and his desire to be re-elected. He goes back and forth like a ping pong ball depending on whos whispering in his ear at the time. Attack and be the tough guy and show Obama up—Dont attack and start a war cause it will hurt your reelection.
    Beside the militant zionist in his adm giving him ‘war advice’, he is on the phone to every Tom, Dick and Harry at Fox news and elsewhere like the Saudi hacksaw king MbS seeking opinions.

    Somewhere in Trump’s brain there is a survival instinct telling him to get out of the mess he created by ditching the Obama Iran deal (which was working).
    So he has for past month been sending back channel messages to Iran thru Oman and the Swiss asking for a meeting. Going thru Oman and the Swiss btw was how Obama setup the original deal with Iran. …so surprise, surprise, ….Trump is following his most hated figure’s footsteps to Iran.
    The Iranians have replied there’s nothing to discuss since the US has put even harsher sanction on them even though they have stuck to the JCPO-5 Obama deal.
    Now Trump (last week) has tried to sweeten up possible talks by saying he will set no ‘pre conditions” on the talks.
    So Trump’s message to Iran is clear: He wants to negotiate.

    Trump wants to end the Iran problem because he is learning strong arming countries is very different than bullying and cheating a bunch of sub contractors on his real estate projects and he’s looking for a way out that doesnt totally embarrass him as a ‘deal maker’.

    The best we can hope for is that the Iranians will give him a hearing—-that way Trump can claim a deal even if turns out to be the same deal Obama made—–then he can do what he does best, lie about it and brag he got ‘super’ deal, best ever deal, better deal than any president has ever gotten for America, a deal no one but he could get….ad nausea.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, bluedog
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  151. Parfois1 says:
    @peterAUS

    To hard for you? Need some literacy lessons?

  152. Parfois1 says:
    @Justsaying

    Was Iran succumbing to the JCPOA provisions and abiding by them not sufficient capitulation for the insane leaders in Washington?

    Surrender is not enough, they want to test their nuke toys too as they did to Japan, “to send a message”. Time for Putin to stop prevaricating and draw a red line in the sky – for everyone to it!

    • Agree: Justsaying
  153. Baxter says:
    @Biff

    Bared on what with Iraq 1 an two. We are headed the directions full dealing offensive gamble. Stiffing loyalties in a area known fro dubious. A destabilizied Iran unable to conrany Pakistan. Ethnic through turkey into Russia, America, Iraqi,,Iran. The peninsula becomes ummannaggable.
    Who nitswiys promulhation this maddest?

  154. By-tor says:
    @By-tor

    My error as I hurried out the door. I meant to include the word million after $250.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  155. @MLK

    Hilarious stuff there. Of course Iran is weaker than the US, duh! The point that the Iranians are making is that a war with them will not be the “cakewalk” that was Iraq (5000 plus US lives lost, many thousands with long-term physical and psychological wounds and a price tag of several trillions of dollars) and that the costs involved will be devastating for the US too, whatever the outcome.

    Let us imagine that I have called you a brainless twat (which you are) for saying that Trump is the most powerful POTUS in any of our lifetimes and you want to punch me in the mouth for saying it, you might think twice if you thought that you might lose an eye by actually doing it, or at least a more sensible person than you might think twice about it.

    • Replies: @MLK
  156. renfro says:
    @A123

    The U.S. has the FDIC and credit union equivalent NCUA to protect main street depositors, both individuals and small businesses. 95%+ of the core American economy is thus immunized against problems in the derivatives market. The author’s doom call about a depression is obviously wrong

    You have no idea what you’re talking about..

    The FDIC only insures bank accounts and savings, money market and CD accounts up to 250,000 within banks.

    It does not insure investments in stock funds, pensions plans, IRAs, 401ks, Roths, Annuities thru Insurers, or any financial vehicles or investments outside of FDIC banks.

    As of 2018 even the largest banks had one third of their own investments in derivatives ….banks using derivatives for speculation and hedging is driven by greed not good financial sense.

    Needless to say Wall Street products are even more loaded with derivatives.

    It would be hard to envision a event that could take down the entire world financially but a big enough war would be one way derivatives could do it because they are based on the value of one or more underlying assets and bets or leverage based on those assets…..so some event that caused disturbance to enough resources or even a huge financial failure in just one country where a resource or asset was included in enough derivatives could do it.

  157. @Johnny Walker Read

    I’m pretty sure that peterAUS is from the former Yugoslavia and now resides in Australia.

  158. Parfois1 says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    The loss of two American aircraft carriers appears to be the assumption you are making to guarantee an Iranian victory.

    And who knows that the US losses would be limited to 2 carriers? That number was used as an illustration of serious navy hardware losses only. Why would the Iranians leave the support ships untouched? And all US bases in ME?

    Considering the range of Iranian missiles and AA defences, it is probable that the US would not defeat Iran, let alone invade it, therefore it would be a military victory for Iran in addition to exposing the nudity of the emperor and the economic ravages from the oil destruction and disruption.

    This incident, of little significance in itself, marks a milestone in modern history: the US did not retaliate out of respect for laws, decency or human lives (they are insensitive to such things) but by fear.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  159. @Old and grumpy

    My point is Trump is so weak, when his enemies ask him to reverse everything he supposedly stands for, he does so without asking for anything in return.

    Why is he giving the party which engineered a coup/impeachment, ONE MORE CHANCE to make an immigration deal?

    #OrangeRetard
    #WeakerthanObozo

  160. @peterAUS

    Should Iran try to shut down Hormuz it will be pulverized into Stone Age. Radioactive in some places.

    Yes, some places. Radioactivity doesn’t sit in one place you know. It travels, such as all over Asia, out to Japan, should we whack the sites where centrifuges operate. The rest of the region, they aren’t going to appreciate that. Israel should be careful what they wish for. Iran has had lots of help with ballistic missiles from folks who speak Chinese and Korean and Russian. Tipped with nukes or not, Israel is going to get a taste of that if the balloon goes up. The whole thing is unthinkable, the consequences. Also, in a conventional sense, we’re going to have problems with Iran we didn’t have with Saddam. Our ships will have to stand down hundreds of miles out of range of the Iranian Coast and whatever conventional airpower is stationed across the Gulf in Saudi, Kuwait and Iraq is going to be subject to real air defense systems. Everything we could do to them involves pilots shot down or holes in ships from cruise missile swarms which we know they’re equipped with. If we hit their nuclear sites, there is the fallout.

    Paul Craig Roberts is correct, why shouldn’t Vlad and Xi go hat-in-hand to Israel and to Washington and tell them “enough already”? Together, they could make this even more unthinkable than it already is, everywhere.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  161. Sbaker says:
    @peterAUS

    Trump didn’t take the sucker bait delivered to Iran by Obama’s advisors. I hear John Kerry actually sh’t himself when Trump declined to bomb the mullahs.

  162. Sbaker says:
    @Biff

    Where would we be without the self-righteous Biffers? You speak like a Jewish supremacist.

  163. Sbaker says:
    @denk

    I’ve never known a failure that didn’t envy those that are successful. Such is the path of the most pathetic.

    • Replies: @denk
  164. Mike P says:
    @Jim Christian

    Paul Craig Roberts is correct, why shouldn’t Vlad and Xi go hat-in-hand to Israel and to Washington and tell them “enough already”?

    Self-interest. They would love to see the U.S. taken down a peg, and nothing will accomplish this faster than a failed, costly full-scale attack on Iran. In the wake of such failure, the U.S. will at the very least also abandon Afghanistan and most likely Iraq; and Israel will have to forget any ambitions of regional domination. All of Asia will from then on be Russia’s and China’s domain.

  165. @peterAUS

    Furthermore, the US may think that he has a more urgent task to do before taking care of Ormuz.
    He has to remove any direct threat to US bases and air carriers.

    One should not forget that these bloodthirsty Iraninians pushed their borders near the US military settlements. This the first threat to treat.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  166. @Jim Christian

    Uhhh, Kennedy was the one who ratcheted up the Vietnam conflict big time:

    When, on September 18, 1961, an An Ninh terror squad decapitated the Catholic chief of Phuoc Long Province. President Kennedy, ignoring troop limits set at the Geneva Accords, rushed legions of Special Forces advisers to the South Vietnamese. The 704th Military Intelligence Group arrived and began advising the Military Security Service, and the Army sent its first province advisers to Vietnam, supplementing MAAG with the Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV). CIA psywar and paramilitary officers, their brains bursting with big ideas and their Abercrombie and Fitch safari jacket pockets bulging with big bucks, converged on Vietnam from Cuba, Africa, Greece, Korea, the Philippines, Laos, and Indonesia. By the end of 1962 nearly twelve thousand American soldiers were in South Vietnam, flying helicopters, dropping napalm on Communist villages, spraying Agent Orange, advising ARVN battalions, patrolling rivers and the coast, conducting “behind-the-lines” missions, and mounting anti-infrastructure operations that included attacks on Diem’s political opposition. The counterinsurgency, too, had begun in earnest.

    The Phoenix Program – Douglas Valentine

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Sparkon
  167. @Parfois1

    This incident, of little significance in itself, marks a milestone in modern history: the US did not retaliate out of respect for laws, decency or human lives (they are insensitive to such things) but by fear.

    Let’s say you’re right.
    Let’s imagine that the “incident” was purposefully designed to carve that milestone, and to put it in plain sight. Someone is purposefully writing history.

    To be the one who is writing history, that is both a cause and a consequence of power.
    But today the history writer is not the usual one, therefore he is a victor who wrechted power from a loser.
    It’s like the result after a real battle. But there had been no battle, no blood, no fight.

    There is some SunTzu Art of War going on.
    Chess masters are involved, too.

  168. @anon

    Did you notice that the question was not about oil availability?
    The question was about oil price.

    The reason I said “Amerikans are oil guzzlers” was only because this fact makes the price question more important for US than for other country.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @RadicalCenter
  169. Sbaker says:
    @MLK

    A very reasonable assessment. Trump is a leader and best of all his traits; he is not a rotten lawyer politician. The professional lawyer politicians have built the mess that a pro-American leader is attempting to fix. The Obama/Kerry fiasco with the Iranian Muslims was designed to prop up the Muslim brotherhood at the expense of American citizens.

    • Replies: @MLK
    , @bluedog
    , @anon
  170. Parfois1 says:
    @By-tor

    Thanks By-tor. Your correction saved me a lot of trouble because I was about to order one of those toys!

  171. Mike P says:
    @Parisian Guy

    The reason I said “Amerikans are oil guzzlers” was only because this fact makes the price question more important for US than for other country.

    Maybe this is why they keep propping up the unprofitable fracking companies at home – to mitigate the consequences of a breakdown in global oil trade that would accompany a major war in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  172. @Thorfinnsson

    The idea that American willpower will collapse in the event of the loss of two capital ships is your second assumption, and it’s both a fanciful and dangerous assumption.

    The loss of ANY capital ship, even DDG, for the United States will mean escalation to nuclear threshold. “The seat of any government is on land” (c). No amount of bombing can change regime in Iran–it will only solidify people around it. But unlike the US, which doesn’t have resources to invade Iran without sustaining catastrophic losses, which will make Vietnam War look rather a tame affair, Iran has the capability to retaliate on land. Iran will respond exactly in a domain which terrifies American military planners. You can remove Carrier Battle Groups from the Gulf into the relative safety of Indian Oceans, you cannot remove Al Udeid and CENTCOM facilities from Qatar and other places in the ME which are effectively indefensible against serious threat. Per US THAAD and Patriot “capabilities”–I wouldn’t count too much on them if Iran had decided to launch en masse. A real dangerous assumptions in this case are assumptions that US can fight effectively against Iran–that is dangerous, and that is the idea which dominates minds of ignorant and incompetent people such as Bolton, Pompeo and, overall, the whole cabal of chicken-hawks (mostly with humanities and law degrees) who infest Trump’s Admin and US Establishment. The danger is in them having no clue how the real war will look like against Iran. As General Latiff (20 years in DARPA) correctly stated, and I quote, in US much of what US political establishment and public:”knows or thinks about the military derives from entertainment.”(c) This IS the level of US political elite and this is very dangerous.

  173. MLK says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    This is unresponsive to what I wrote and quickly devolves into something that would get you a failing grade in middle school social studies class.

    POTUS Trump has refused to take the bait. Iran and its fifth columnist allies in the US (aka Democrats) were hoping to goad him into responding militarily to Iran’s provocations. He’s too smart for that. Now more sanctions are coming and, by the way, the USG has a full range of responsive options (e.g. cyber) to further put the wood to them until they climb out of the refusing to talk tree.

    As for the powerful POTUS, I know that is hard for you to hear and get your mind around. All I can do is suggest that you look at it objectively.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @RobinG
  174. Parfois1 says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Thanks JWR. Very convincing. At an interview at the time J. Kennedy said the reason for the war was “American prestige”, the US reputation as the bulwark against Communism was at stake.

  175. MLK says:
    @Sbaker

    In the post-Cold War quarter century, American presidents were increasingly what I call figureheads/pitchmen for the Permanent Government.

    Each was driven into the presidential bubble, benefitting from the bargain. All it took to get Obama there was giving him a hard time for coming to the defense of his arrested Harvard professor friend.

    Needless to say, nothing about Trump suits him for that drill. Not his personality. Not how he got to the presidency (on his own). Nor was he ever really offered any such bargain after he took the oath. They’ve been trying to destroy his presidency from day one.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  176. @Sean

    America is backed by brute military force. That is why India has stopped buying Iranian oil, and sent ships to the Gulf to back America

    Yeah. That’s relevant too.
    Force is used to keep in check the Gulf oil producer.
    But, it is the dollar, not force, which keeps in check the buyer.
    We could say a lot about the convoluted relationship of the dollar, the oil and the miltary.

    One important is:

    this oil/dollar/military racket is a business. Like any business, it cannot run for a long time when costs are higher than revenues.
    My feeling is that revenues/costs ratio is worsening with every year passing.

    India Navy coming? Sure.
    The reason is they don’t trust China respecting their agreement. Thus India Navy comes in advance to the barbeque party, to insure India will get the exact pre-agreed share of the Amerika civilizations remains.

  177. @Mike P

    For sure. From the start of the Us oil fracking story, I have thought “It makes sense more from a military point-of-view than from a business point-of-view”

  178. Hossein says:

    Pepe is a bit out of control here exaggerating the military power in Iran. I pray and hope that war would not breakout but the reality is that the US conventional fire power is immense and over powering.
    The aggressive and deadly American air force can easily obliterate Iranian forces by non stop bombing campaign . Those B52 bombers are horrible and devastating weapons and not sure if Iran has anything to deter them with. The constant bombardment by Tomahawk cruise missiles are even more devastating.

    Personally I think that Iran and the US are secretly in touch to find a way out of this quagmire .
    They have done it before and would do it again.

    Pray for peace.

    Cheers.

  179. Sparkon says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Uhhh, Kennedy was the one who ratcheted up the Vietnam conflict big time:

    “Big time” is hyperbole. 12,000 soldiers is about the strength of a single division.

    Beyond that, not long before he was killed, JFK had already ordered the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces from Vietnam by 1965.

    Pres. John F. Kennedy was naive and inexperienced when he first took office. The military and the CIA were leading him around by the nose, witness the Bay of Pigs debacle, the full truth of which remains obscure, but Kennedy learned from the experience.

    By early 1963, Pres. Kennedy was beginning to have doubts and was looking for a way to get the United States out of Viet Nam, which may have been one of the issues — there were many — that got him killed.

    President Kennedy had sent Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Maxwell Taylor to South Vietnam to provide their assessment of the situation. Their recommendations of drawdown of forces and eventual withdrawal are a matter of (suppressed) public record:

    Kennedy’s feelings about Vietnam went beyond mere qualms: he had already reached a decision and acted on it. In National Security Action Memorandum 263, dated October 11, 1963, Kennedy articulated his decision to withdraw all US military forces from Vietnam by the end of 1965 — with the withdrawal to be completed after the 1964 election. This was the formal policy of the United States government on the day he died.

    https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/09/26/jfk-ordered-full-withdrawal-vietnam-solid-evidence/

  180. @Hossein

    You are right that the US bombing will have a pretty significant effect on Iranian forces. However, those effects might be a lot less than you anticipate.

    B-52. B-52s were used to bomb Hanoi during Vietnam war. Recall how and why this ended. I don’t think Iran would even need Russian operators for its anti-aircraft batteries: Persians aren’t Arabs or Vietnamese, they can hit the target themselves. Then recall how much those B-52s cost apiece. And don’t forget that newer US bombers are a lot more expensive. Not to mention that with those stealth bombers the US reputation is at stake. Remember when Serbs downed F-117A in 1999 with ancient Soviet anti-aircraft rocket? The reputational damage was greater than military one.

    Tomahawks. The success rate of these cruise missiles is a lot lower than advertised. This became obvious even during aggression against Iraq in 2003. Last year about a hundred was launched under false pretext against Syria. The pictures of the targeted site they presumably hit suggested that maybe just a few hit it. We still don’t know what happened to the rest. Neither the manufacturer nor the Pentagon seems inclined to tell us the truth.

    Thus, Iran losses notwithstanding, the result of the US aggression against Iran would be devastating for the Empire. Both MIC and American brass know that. That’s why I think that the “war” against Iran will be waged in the same venues as recent “wars” against NK and Venezuela: Twitter and other social media.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  181. @Hossein

    Those B52 bombers are horrible and devastating weapons and not sure if Iran has anything to deter them with.

    Everybody knows that wikipedia is pure pro-Iranian propaganda. So, for what is worth, here are the data:

    Big Bad B-52 Stratofortress:
    Maximum speed: 560 kn (650 mph, 1,047 km/h)
    Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,000 m)
    Rate of climb: 6,270 ft/mi

    Pesky & short-legged russian-made S-300 Access Denial Missile (cheapest version)
    Range of, aerodynamic target 5–90 km
    Height defeat, aerodynamic target 0.025–27 km
    Maximum target speed, 1,150 – 1,300 m/s (which roughly is 2300 kn or 4150km/h).

  182. bluedog says:
    @Sbaker

    Your right Trump is not a lawyer tho he employee’s a stable full of them, for Trump is little but a New York City con man with ties to both mobs, the little mob in N.Y.C. and the big mob in Israel, which are of his class the big money boys who he will obey as long as he’s in office,and screw America.!!!

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Sbaker
  183. Mike P says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Thus, Iran losses notwithstanding, the result of the US aggression against Iran would be devastating for the Empire. Both MIC and American brass know that. That’s why I think that the “war” against Iran will be waged in the same venues as recent “wars” against NK and Venezuela: Twitter and other social media.

    That is sound in principle – but if appearances don’t deceive, it really came down to Trump saying “no” instead of “yes” this time. That is already pretty close to the edge. Those who installed John “Little Boy” Bolton and Mike “Fat Man” Pompeo in the government won’t give up so easily; they will just twist Donald’s scrotum another turn, or get rid of him altogether.

  184. @Jus' Sayin'...

    I find it hard to believe that China and Russia would stay on the sidelines and allow the disastrous scenario which Escobar describes play out. But, unfortunately for the world, it is NOT hard to believe that two unelected maniacs, Bolton and Pompeo, have the ability to bring the world economy to its knees as millions die, with no one, including Trump and the US military, able to stop them.

    Even IF Trump does not want war, his incompetence in appointing and not firing those two clowns has brought the world to the edge of the Abyss, and it may be too late to pull back now. As Secretary of State, Pompeo has no jurisdiction to also run the Dept. of Defense, but Trump is letting him do it anyway. “End Times” Pompeo may yet live to see the Battle of Armageddon that he is so fervently pushing for.

  185. @Astuteobservor II

    You could take Australia out with just five.
    A fact that terrifies the Australian elite.

  186. @Patricus

    I can now say I’ve met one of Bertrand Russell’s chickens.

  187. Why are so many people suggesting that US would dare to attack Iran? Iranian military is the largest in the middle east, don’t Americans realize that?

    Also, B52s and tomahawks?? Is this 1980??..

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  188. denk says:
    @One Tribe

    I disagree, strongly.
    I am their neighbour, to the north.
    For the most part, the people are good.
    Yes, there are multiple perception management campaigns, designed degradation of the education system, and obviously, the ridiculously slanted mainstream media, affecting people, generationally.

    Fool me once, shame on you, fool me hundreds of times since 1785 ….?

    it could only means that there’s a majority of ‘my country right or wrong‘ rednecks , like the four samples highlighted in my previous post, dripping with hubris, hypocrisy and B.S.

    ‘But the enemy of humanity is a small minority, .’

    A 2018 poll shows that at least 62% of murikkans are sinophobes./rednecks.

    ‘The whole world needs these people to step up and take back control of their country, traditionally opposed to foreign military adventurism.’

    Not holding my breath.
    Three centuries of warfare and counting…….

    ‘Instead, focusing your cognitive energies towards freeing the minds of these people, ‘

    FYI
    Once upon a time I harbor the fantasy that majority of murikkans are basically decent people, who fall victim to war propaganda by tptb, so I set out to educate them ‘
    More than two decades later, I’ve come to the conclusion that its an exercise of futility.

    Junior and Sbaker say Im ‘a loser who envy their banana republic’.

    How do you educate morons like these ?

    ‘Don’t give in to hate; there is a lot of good left in America.’

    For chrissake !
    The hate has always emanated from the 5liars to China, its a one way street.

    PS
    For the uninitiated.
    I consigned Junior to my bozo file in a previous thread, the reason should be self explanatory .

    • Replies: @Junior
  189. peterAUS says:
    @Hossein

    By you handle I assume you are from that region and/or have somebody you care for here.
    Probably,even, you and/or people you care for even have experienced US (military) power.

    You are correct.

    The effect on an average Iranian, should the intervention escalate, will be terrible.
    It will escalate if the regime in Tehran closes Hormuz.

  190. @Mike P

    My cautious optimism is based on the assumption that imperial crooks have enough brains to understand that to enjoy their loot they must be alive. They cannot rely on afterlife: gods do not accept bribes. However, if they and/or their Israeli colleagues aren’t smart enough to understand that, all bets are off.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  191. gsjackson says:
    @TheDraveckySnap

    Impressive first post. Welcome.

    A Dodgers fan, perhaps? Or just a morbid Giants fan?

  192. peterAUS says:
    @Parisian Guy

    There is only ONE guy here, in this thread, who actually worked on similar problems. And me, of course (or so I say).
    Because the Russian and I have fundamental disagreement re the topic of war, we don’t engage each other.
    All the rest of posters here, including the author, have ZERO real life experience in tactics, let alone operations. As I have experience in composing operas. You’ll never see me (and the Russian, I am sure) discussing operas on “music” boards.
    Now….hehehe….how is that only in topics like this everybody is so keen to offer …ahm…educated and passionate opinion?
    We know why: fear. That’s O.K. re online therapy, but……anyway.

    So, getting the impression from our previous exchanges about your level of expertise in operations, and, apparently analytical mind (Information technology), you could read up about mine-clearing operations, even invasions.
    Degrading Iranian offensive capabilities is the priority there.
    A tip: layered, echelon, approach to a target.
    Hehehe….there are a couple of dorks here who could get into that topic in mind boggling details.
    We could play endless war game here. That’s not the point.
    The point is the will behind the military power.
    My point is that the regime in Tehran really doesn’t want to push Americans too far.They have to be very careful there.
    Or, to put it bluntly: they simply must not enrage the Americans.

    You French I guess. Remember Yugoslavia?
    Yugoslav commandos snatched three US soldiers. And those were treated as royalty and let go.
    The same commandos could’ve inflicted quite a lot of damage onto Western forces in Albania, even Italy (airfields). They didn’t. Ask yourself why not.
    Yugoslavia had decent subs and crews. Some of those designed and trained PRECISELY to deliver Yu version of SEALs and quite sophisticated sea-mines. No commando action; no mine laying attempt anywhere. Ask yourself why not.

    Iran is in the same position.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
    , @Parisian Guy
  193. @Mike P

    Those who installed John “Little Boy” Bolton and Mike “Fat Man” Pompeo in the government won’t give up so easily; they will just twist Donald’s scrotum another turn, or get rid of him altogether.

    Trump installed them and he is on record with his admiration for Bolton even before DJT considered his run for Oval Office. While campaigning, Donald, having some background in show-business, was able to read convincingly speeches written for him by Stephen Miller. After all that, and even after, basically, dead Russiagate–Donald revealed himself exactly who he is–a militarist. So, his relationship with Bolton are symbiotic. Nobody is twisting Donald’s scrotum–it is just the way he is, a NYC real estate shyster, which, to a different degree and difference in unproductive “professional” occupations, applies to most in D.C. “establishment”.

  194. @Crimean refugee

    Iranian military is the largest in the middle east, don’t Americans realize that?

    Many in US military realize, others, in “Establishment”, those who “do policies”(c)–don’t. They have never been taught basics of military science, not to mention having any serious background in operational planning, not to mention in how military technology works–they don’t teach that in political “science”, finances, law and journalism courses. Sociology? Yes. Weapons Systems’ Integration and Salvo Models? No.

  195. @AnonFromTN

    They cannot rely on afterlife: gods do not accept bribes.

    Sadly, some creeps such as “Old Testamenters” from so called American “Christianity” and, of course, some Israelis DO. Needless to say, many of them do infest corridors of power in D.C. in general and Trump’s Admin in particular. In fact, the “end time” and Israel-centric universe is in the center of their personalities. These are not mentally adequate people.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @turtle
  196. @Andrei Martyanov

    Then they are not only mentally disturbed, but also really dumb.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  197. Sbaker says:
    @bluedog

    ight Trump is not a lawyer tho he employee’s a stable full of them, for Trump is little but a New York City con man with ties to both mobs, the little mob in N.Y.C. and the big mob in Israel, which are of his class the big money boys who he will obey as long as he’s in office,and screw America””

    Makes perfect sense. That must be why the Jewish run old media and homowood hate Trump and why the association of trial lawyers donate 90% of their funds to the rat party. Step back, observe, and think woman.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  198. @AnonFromTN

    Then they are not only mentally disturbed, but also really dumb.

    Yes, they are–a steady decline of intellectual level of American elites is the process which was taking place for decades. Enough to take a look at the evolution of American political “thought” in the last 30 or so years. As per serious geopolitics: I cannot, hoping to be in normal state of mind, call Fukuyama, Brzezinski, even Huntington, or even Mearsheimer thinkers of scale. As per military though–goodness gracious, it is a complete mess. Empirical evidence is overwhelming supporting this POV. A lot of doctrine-mongering, very little thought.

  199. Druid says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Good heavens, what a bunch of nut-jobs!

    • Replies: @RobinG
  200. Cyrano says:
    @peterAUS

    Where do you get off comparing Iran and Yugoslavia? Iran has 10 times the population and 20 times the territory of Yugoslavia. I agree with Pepe’s assessment in this article – Iran has the power to shut down the world economy.

    It cracked me up when I heard Trump’s explanation that he reversed his decision to attack Iran based on the assessment that 150 Iranians would die. Yeah, I bet he wept until the wee hours of the morning over the possible awful fate awaiting the poor Iranians.

    The good sign (for US) is that there is some sane person in the Trump administration with powerful enough voice, who overruled all the lunatics and prevented Trump from launching that attack. Trump is not smart enough to come up with a decision like that on his own; thankfully he listened to someone smarter than him.

  201. Brewer says:
    @Mike P

    ‘The Iranian messages are simple, clear, and consistent.”
    Exactly. And let us not forget the clear message contained in the fact that Iran, using one of its own, home-built systems with pin-point accuracy, took out a major American asset, ignoring the manned aircraft close by.
    Any gunslinger would be foolish to draw agin the shooter who just shot the fly off his nose.

  202. RobinG says:
    @Druid

    The Christian end-timers are every bit as whacko.

  203. bluedog says:
    @Sbaker

    Perhaps you should take some time out to do a little thinking ,who cares about the Jewish old media or homowood or the lawyers for they are a dime a dozen, for he’s got the Jewish billionair’s funding him, and they will keep on funding him as long as he kisses the Jewish ass that funds him.!!!l

  204. @Parisian Guy

    Well, the USA would be badly hurt, on balance, by sustained very high prices for fossil fuels. But it’s just not true that the price of oil is more important for the USA than any other country .

    There are several other major world economies that consume much oil and nat gas per capita, but don’t have any meaningful reserves on their own land as the USA does.

    Japan, Germany, and formerly-great formerly-Britain come to mind.

    The USA has great reserves yet of oil and natural gas, both in absolute terms and relative to our admittedly excessive per capita consumption.

    Americans could get by with decent oil and gas prices for decades if we prohibited exports of our oil and nat gas and kept all fossil fuels found here, for our own use. That’s not at all the case for the “UK”, Germany, and japan.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  205. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Their cultures are deformed and held back by Islam, to be sure.

    But the Muslims, however backwards, continue to do the hard work of having children, while our lazy, self-absorbed, homosexualized people don’t, so inevitably they’ll be in charge of “our” countries — and I include Russia, unfortunately, in this prediction, as it too is a dying, aging nation where nonMuslims don’t bother having enough kids to perpetuate their families or their people more broadly.

    Who will be the “losers” after another twenty-five years of differential Muslim versus nonMuslim birthrates in Europe and Russia? Why would Muslims even need government-organized armed forces to prevail when our countries are letting them colonize?

  206. @peterAUS

    My point is that the regime in Tehran really doesn’t want to push Americans too far.They have to be very careful there.
    Or, to put it bluntly: they simply must not enrage the Americans.

    Sure; They know it’s better to not push anybody to wage warfare against themselves.

    On the other side the Global Hawk shooting is something we have to consider. It goes against the idea that I just said. My guess is they wanted to demonstrate they were not afraid of US attacking Iran.
    Like in tankers attack, nobody was injured.

    This way, they have demonstrated that they can blockade all the Gulf oil (Ormuz and the Saudi pipelines which shunt Ormuz (tanker attacks) ).

    Therefore, the blockade threat is now effective. They just have the whole planet Earth in check.

    Some prediction: Because of the blockade threat, today all the world player (but Israel and Saudiland) have a material motive to give Iran a rest. There will be international meeting to find a global agreement which satisfy Iran. Bolton and Bibi will enjoy very long vacations.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  207. @Monty Ahwazi

    The USA, Russia, and China (only because of massive imports from Russia) can make it long-term without Iranian and other middle eastern oil / nat gas exports.

    The EU and Japan, by contrast, could be economically devastated and impoverished.

  208. @Cyrano

    The smart person with the powerful enough voice to convince Trump to not go thru with the attack may not be in the administration. Per several sources, including ‘The Duran,’ Trump pays close attention to what Tucker Carlson says on his show, and may even talk to him privately. Tucker has been the only sane voice in the MSM consistently opposing the US rush to war, and he has warned that a war on Iran would destroy Trump’s presidency.

    Tucker’s quite in contrast with the idiot Hannity, whose show follows his. Tucker has been a genuine hero! Perhaps his high ratings and rabid loyal following prevent Fox from firing him.

  209. @Cyrano

    My understanding was that the comparison was only about the principle that sometimes you have a real interest to restraint your attacks below what you could make.
    Yugos followed this principle, like Iranians.
    For instance, Iranians attacked six tankers(*) plus one US plane. There is not the smallest human casualties; This is not the result from chance. It was by design.

    (*) my comment #10; 6.5 million barrel/day of Saudi-Emirati oil can flow by the pipelines shunting Ormuz

    • Replies: @By-tor
    , @Cyrano
  210. @Mike P

    China’s only, not russia’s, unfortunately. Russia will be the decidedly junior partner now and even more so in the future.

  211. @MLK

    How do you know whether he was offered a deal after taking office? We can’t know whether he has been bribed and/or threatened.

  212. Anonymous [AKA "Terrimac"] says:

    I have difficulty understanding someone in high places believing in the end times yet I have a sister and also a very good friend who do.

  213. peterAUS says:

    There IS an interesting element in all this thing.

    While we, commoners, can get some info about Iranian anti-ship missiles the information about naval mines is scarce (to put it mildly).
    Especially about proper naval mines (acoustic/magnetic sensors, digital signal processing and the works…).

    Can’t say I’ve spent much time on searching for the info but, it is puzzling.

    Anyone here can point to some reliable source?

    Or, to make this clear:
    If…if Iran relies on the same mines it used the last time and/or those moored (WW2 wintage) that ain’t gonna work in “block the Hormuz” scenario.

    Modern mines, as say:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_bottom_mine
    with…hehe…quote:

    ..a range of fuzes, such as acoustic, contact, infrasonic, ultrasonic and magnetic fuzes.

    are totally different beast altogether.

    It feels that the regime in Tehran hasn’t, actually, spent time/effort to develop them.
    Not smart.

  214. @Art

    For a fast economy reconstruction: stop the religious believing in the virtue of capitalism. Stop believing the capitalism was the root of american prosperity. Prosperity came from absence of war inside US and abundant ressource in the first time, then plundering third world.
    Free entrepreneurship is nothing more than the best way for some problem; Management by the state is best for some other economic activity.
    A little bit of dictatorship will be needed to expell all moneyed interest out of politics.
    Think Putin jailing Mikhael Khodorkovsky.

  215. peterAUS says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Civil disagreement, here.
    Nice, for a change.

    This way, they have demonstrated that they can blockade all the Gulf oil (Ormuz and the Saudi pipelines which shunt Ormuz (tanker attacks) ).

    Yes.
    As long as Americans don’t do anything about it.
    You can block a motorway in your place. Try and…hehe…see what happens.

    Therefore, the blockade threat is now effective. They just have the whole planet Earth in check.

    Whole plan…uhm……….hahaha…
    O.K.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  216. @peterAUS

    a range of fuzes, such as acoustic, contact, infrasonic, ultrasonic and magnetic fuzes.

    For acoustic or ultrasonic, or infrasonic:
    You only need a sonic transducer
    then, you do Fourier Transform on the recorded signal
    Then, you do acoustic signature matching; It’s the same task than pattern matching when computers are doing image analysis.

    Audio processing is a light task for today computers. A 35$ processor such as a RaspBerry is probably quite enough. Fourier Transform software and transducers are available. All these are standard technology. Just think about the 200$ fishfinders which can detect each fish under your boat. Any shipchandler can sell it; Just try the WestMarine web catalog.

    Magnetic sensors are available. They are currently used in underwater metal detection by hobbyist semi-pro and professionnals.

    My guess is they have developped these smart mines. Every engineer could do that with commercially available parts.
    We can see from the last events that the Ormuz blockade has been thought about since a long time by Iranians. Even Saudis were also thinking about since a long time, since they builded these pipelines whose real purpose is to escape Ormuz Strait.

  217. @Cyrano

    It cracked me up when I heard Trump’s explanation that he reversed his decision to attack Iran based on the assessment that 150 Iranians would die. Yeah, I bet he wept until the wee hours of the morning over the possible awful fate awaiting the poor Iranians.

    Same here. That was one of the most pathetic exhibits of crude propaganda BS. It was from the same opera as Obama refusing to bomb ISIS in Syria out of environmental considerations. It makes as much sense as not beating the shit out of rapist caught in act out of consideration to not give concussion to fleas on rapist’s clothes.

    • LOL: Mike P, Cyrano
  218. @RadicalCenter

    Americans could get by with decent oil and gas prices for decades if we prohibited exports of our oil and nat gas and kept all fossil fuels found here, for our own use.

    What are you saying??? You want to prohibit export of oil???
    You want that during a time of general economic hardship, great corporations such as Exxon, Chevron, and all the Texas good boys miss the best opportunity to create wealth ??????

    You are the ennemy of Free Enterprise and Wealth Creation. You are these kind of peoples who claim “Free Stuff for Everybody” instead of hardworking to create wealth for themselves.
    Such State meddling in the free course of Wealth Creation is insane. You obviously must be a North-Korean communist paid troll.

    • LOL: bluedog
  219. Mulegino1 says:

    Any military action against Iran would have catastrophic consequences.

    To begin with, a war against Iran would constitute, like the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, a war crime of the first magnitude. But the corporate oligarchs who compose most of the permanent government and mainstream media don’t care about war crimes if they have the kosher stamp of approval, so that is a moot point.

    More significantly, from a cynical, hegemonic Atlanticist-Zionist perspective, any significant military action against Iran would result in a catastrophe of the first magnitude. War would break out throughout the entire Middle East and potentially worldwide. The loss of life would be horrendous. The economic consequences would be catastrophic. The idiotic hawks among the deep state and its sycophantic and fawning presstitutes fail to recognize that the Straits of Hormuz are the carotid artery of the world economy.

    The idiots in DC probably think a war against Iran would be “Desert Storm II” since they are so ignorant of military matters, the topography of war, asymmetrical warfare, weapons systems and the fact that despite being an entertaining writer, Tom Clancy’s writings constituted a total puffery of the alleged invincibility of the world’s first “hyperpower.” An attack on Iran will end the Pax Americana for good (which is probably a good thing) but will result in an untold number of dead, maimed and sick and most likely incite the third (and final) world war.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Mike P
  220. turtle says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    These are not mentally adequate people.

    Mentally adequate?
    Jesus.
    They are not even mentally stable.
    If that is even a real distinction…

  221. @peterAUS

    As long as Americans don’t do anything about it.
    You can block a motorway in your place. Try and…hehe…see what happens.

    Oh Yes, I will be in big troubles. And the troubles would be quite worse if, instead of blocking a motorway, I shoot down a Global Hawk.

    But, look! The rule if different for Iranians. They got no troubles after wrecking a 200 000 000$ US Navy toy.

    Anyway, I made a prediction:
    Some prediction: Because of the blockade threat, today all the world player (but Israel and Saudiland) have a material motive to give Iran a rest. There will be international meeting to find a global agreement which satisfy Iran. Bolton and Bibi will enjoy very long vacations.

    Cannot be sure the prediction will validate because anything could derail it.
    Nevertheless, I’ll wait for it to happen; Then, I may write some hahaha to some Aussie. Only then! Not before, because that would be presomptuous.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  222. Erebus says:
    @Cyrano

    The good sign (for US) is that there is some sane person in the Trump administration with powerful enough voice, who overruled all the lunatics and prevented Trump from launching that attack.

    The story making the rounds is that there were two. Gen. Dunford and Tucker Carlson, acting independently and through irregular channels have been advising Trump it would be madness.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  223. Mike P says:
    @Mulegino1

    The idiots in DC probably think a war against Iran would be “Desert Storm II” since they are so ignorant of military matters,

    That may describe a goodish number of people. However, others must be a bit more sober, since the war against Iran has already been postponed for more than decade, according to Wesley Clark:

    The problem for the neocons is likely that time is on Iran’s side – Iran sure does look more formidable today than it did 10 or 15 years ago. So there is a macabre race on: which is growing stronger the faster – Iran, or the ziocons’ stranglehold on U.S. government?

    The time for the U.S. citizenry to wake up and take control is now.

    • Agree: Mulegino1, Parfois1
    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  224. By-tor says:
    @Parisian Guy

    The Iranian Navy or its coast guard put out the fire on the Japanese tanker in the second mysterious vandalism attack. Iran, having nothing to gain from such acts, did not attack those ships. But the US might have for the purpose of escalating tensions to convene their ‘UN Security Council’ propaganda event.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  225. @MLK

    This is unresponsive to reality and is based on the false assumption that Iran is a threat. To whom is Iran threatening and what is the evidence of that? Trump has stated that he is responding to Iranian aggression, what Iranian aggression is he referring to? I would say that Trump is doing what he is being told to do.

    I do give trump credit for not starting any new wars yet but Iran deserves to be left alone and Trump should concentrate on doing what he said he would do prior to being elected, to end the stupid, costly wars, bring the troops home and make America great again.

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @MLK
  226. @By-tor

    It looks like you did not took notice that I refered to my comment N°10 for explanation of the reasons for Iranians to attack the tankers.
    I did not know they fighted the fire on the Jap tanker. This fact perfectly fit my thesis. May I strongly suggest you go to my comment N°10, which you obviously need to read.

    • Replies: @By-tor
  227. Art says:
    @Cyrano

    It cracked me up when I heard Trump’s explanation that he reversed his decision to attack Iran based on the assessment that 150 Iranians would die.

    Trump will not start a shooting war until after 2020. But he is currently making war on Iran – economic war. Blockading a country is a historical act of war. That is what Trump is doing.

    The Iranians are feeling the pain and are forcing the issue.

    Just saw a video of Trump repeating all of rapture boy Pompeo’s insulting demands on Iran.

    This is not good.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Lest we forget – this all for Jews and Israel.

  228. RobinG says:
    @MLK

    “Iran and its fifth columnist allies in the US (aka Democrats) were hoping to goad him into responding militarily to Iran’s provocations.”

    !!!!! You are a whole new brand of delusional. For whom are you inventing this nonsense?

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  229. Junior says:
    @denk

    For the uninitiated.
    I consigned Junior to my bozo file in a previous thread, the reason should be self explanatory .

    For the uninitiated,
    denk is just trying to score a few extra points on his Social Credit Score for his party bosses that are monitoring all his activity in Beijing, so pay no attention to his under-duress posts.

    Are you alright, denk? Your post seems a little more extra desperate than usual… OMG are they there now looking over your shoulder to make sure your posts show the sufficient amount of love for a system that enslaves you?! Blink once for yes and twice for no.

    Maybe if you’re lucky Trump can come and save you from your hostage situation just like he’s trying to free China’s other hostage, Kim Jong Un.

    What do you say, Mr. President? Should we of the “unitedsnake” try to rescue denk from his communist captors? 😀

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Parfois1
  230. By-tor says:
    @Parisian Guy

    The Iranians did not attack the tankers. It makes no strategic sense that they would, but it makes a lot of strategic sense that the US or Israel would, because their ( US-Israeli-Saudi-Emirati ) goal is a US-managed ‘UNSC coalition’ attack against Iran. That has been their goal for decades.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  231. Mulegino1 says:
    @Mike P

    The only point I disagree with you on is that the time for the citizenry to have awoken was- in my opinion-in 1896 or in 1917 or at the latest in 1941. The citizenry failed to do so.

    • Agree: Mike P
  232. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Johnny Walker Read

    “peterAUS is the perfect example of American hubris.”

    It’s much worse than that. He is a real-life Cliff Clavin,

  233. Parfois1 says:
    @RobinG

    “Iran and its fifth columnist allies in the US (aka Democrats) were hoping to goad him into responding militarily to Iran’s provocations.”

    \You said:
    !!!!! You are a whole new brand of delusional. For whom are you inventing this nonsense?

    @ Robin

    When I saw your answer I read “whore” instead of “whole”! And then your question seemed to come apropos and I had another laugh. It’s amazing how truth insinuates its way in our speech – therefore “whore” assumes a legitimate place in the answer.

    There is some value in idiotic inanities: they can make the serious sober laugh.

  234. Parfois1 says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Mon ami. Je voudrais …sorry, has to be in English. You are wasting your time with a pretend Ozzie. He’s not Australian. Ozzies are a dignified breed but modest, playful and irreverent; they don’t indulge in making fool of themselves by putting on airs of self-importance and crappy wisdom.

  235. Parfois1 says:
    @Junior

    Your public display of imbecility does not enhance your standing by denigrating someone you might disagree with. It only shows your bad faith and inability to make a reasoned argument. In fact it is no more than the hiding place for the cowards who have no courage to face truth. As a don of good manners and respectability, I suggest you should apologise or go to the corner.

    • LOL: Junior
    • Replies: @Junior
    , @Junior
    , @denk
  236. @Erebus

    Dunford is Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I doubt he would need some unofficial channel to speak with Trump.

    Since the Mattis and Kelly departures, my opinion was that Dunford was the last one in White House wanting to oppose the zionist agenda. Therefore, from my point-of-view the Dunford story is the most plausible one.

    But we don’t actually need any of these stories. They are only needed if you believes that Trump really intended to strike Iran. This is an assumption for which there is no reason, unless you thinks that the Trump’s say has some kind of value.

    Ockam rule: As usually, Trump made a comedy. He tried bluffing the Iranians to get a deal. They called the bluff. That’s all.

    Trump is starting is reelection campaign. He strongly needs an Historical Deed to be added to its presidential curriculum, because he has nothing to show:
    – no mexican wall
    – no healthcare reform
    – no job relocation
    – no win in trade war. Only costs for now.
    – no swamp draining
    – no working Middle East peace plan
    – no bettering of economy for middle class
    – no historical deed with North korea
    – no historical deed with Venezuela
    – no Great America

    At the same distance from election day, in May 2011 Obama got Ben Laden.
    Trump wanted his Historical Deed: a new agreement with Iran. He made it clear he wanted the Iranians to call him. Trump is used to hard negotiation. He was expecting Iranians calling to the last minute before the strike. They did not. Then he realizedhis bluff was dead, and he had to strike Iran for real.
    Maybe it’s actually the first moment he thought about the number of the victims. It’s perfectly plausible since he never believed the strike will actually have to be done. It does not matter so much; Every story we’ll hear have this first purpose:

    To hide that Trump bluffed and his bluff got called.

    By the way, Trump has no more use for Bolton.
    Bolton got elected by Trump on the promise to Make Trump Great Again

    Here is my prediction: Bolton will be fired if its last hope of Historical Deed, the Middle East Peace plan, doen’t succeed.

  237. Cyrano says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Thanks for your correction. I don’t take Pete too seriously, so I wasn’t paying close attention to what he was trying to say. Again, Yugoslavia and Iran are different. The Yugoslavs held back, because even going all out wouldn’t have produced the desired results. Iran can inflict far more damage to US than Yugoslavia ever could. I am not sure that the pipelines that you mentioned can fully substitute for the loss of the volume of oil that can be shipped by sea.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  238. Sam J. says:
    @denk

    “…Its the people…”

    I’m not convinced this is true. The people do not have reliable information to make a decision. We know the Jews are feeding bad information to the people and doing all other sorts of wickedness so let’s get rid of the Jews first…then we can get an accurate gauge of whether it’s the people or not. We certainly don’t need the Jews but we do need the people.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
  239. Sam J. says:
    @MLK

    “…Trump is the most powerful POTUS of (any of) our lifetimes…”

    Powerful or not he’s an idiot if he goes to war with Iran because it’s not even remotely in the US interest to go to war with Iran. The Jews would love it as they are willing to fight down to the last American but Americans would get nothing for it.

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @MLK
  240. Sam J. says:

    I’ve said over and over that what needs to be done is we need to get rid of the Jews. Peacefully if we can get it but no matter what they have to go. The Jews are not able to contain their lust for power and domination of others and we, their bitches, are being used as an instrument of their power. We can not afford them any more.

    We need a Hitler. Good or bad we need a Hitler to drive them out of our territory.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  241. Sam J. says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    “…This mess was caused by Obama who did gave away too much. Obama was inept…”

    You have no idea how much I hate Obama but in this case he did exactly the right thing. What did we give Iran???? Nothing but their own money. What business is it of ours if the Iranians hate the Jews. Hell I do too. We should become good, good friends with the Iranians.

    I could care less if the Iranians have nukes if we disengage from the Jews and stop letting them run our lives into the ground.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  242. Sam J. says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    “…The problem is that Obama did give Iran such a sweet deal that US simply cannot live with it…”

    Uh…what sweet deal? They gave them back money that they owned. Maybe you should spell out exactly how the US needs to control Iran and how that is in our interest.

    This is totally a Jew hate problem. They want the US to fight Iran for them. Let the Jews do it for themselves. I have no problem with the Iranians.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  243. anon[526] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sbaker

    The fiasco is in the minds of the evangelical whose primary reason for existence is to wake up each morning and look for sign of the end of the world . Head chopping Saudi is their ( evangelical half moron , full stupid ) new love because the guardian of their faith ( also of money anfpd life ) find them useful in expanding the properties the racist exclusive fanatic head smashing child killing God gave them using the sheeple soldiers drawn from evangelical and new Catholic herds of morons .

  244. sarz says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks for your erudite note. I was in error in assuming that the old expression, still current in the subcontinent, is what was used, and not “marg bar amrika”.

    The thrust of my remark was that “death” in “Death to America” should not be read literally. Here is an Irani making the same case, that it really means “Down with America”.

    https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=31116

  245. @renfro

    The best we can hope for is that the Iranians will give him a hearing—-that way Trump can claim a deal even if turns out to be the same deal Obama made—–then he can do what he does best, lie about it and brag he got ‘super’ deal, best ever deal, better deal than any president has ever gotten for America, a deal no one but he could get….ad nausea.

    Would Sheldon and Bibi approve?

    • Replies: @RobinG
  246. MLK says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    To quote Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven, “Deserves got nothin’ to do with it.”

    Look, Iran is just the latest foreign power to suffer for joining The Resistance to POTUS Trump. Kerry assured them right after Trump took the oath that they’d remove him and get back to business as usual.

    Perhaps you don’t remember that the conventional wisdom had it that his cancelling Obama’s Iran deal would fail in that Europe and all the other signatories would ignore the USG sanctions and otherwise have Iran’s back.

    Uh huh.

    As I mentioned before, Iran is now left to lash out through provocations — North Korea’s lame and now abandoned playbook.

    What everyone is missing is that the POTUS is in no rush. He can even let a bit of pressure come off the sanctions via turning a blind eye to a bit of cheating by, say, India. Iran will have to decide whether it’s going to flop and twitch for the next 2-6 years and, even if Trump doesn’t win reelection in a landslide as I expect, will a Democrat be able to do much of anything for Iran.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  247. MLK says:
    @Sam J.

    It’s sure sign an analogue is apt if everyone memory-holes it, even when it’s only a half-decade old. Here I’m referring to ‘Red Line’ they attempted to use to goad Obama into directly attacking Syria. No one other than me seems to remember how the bipartisan establishment said he had to do it or he would lose all credibility. But all it took was Obama threatening to send it to Congress to vote on for the whole lot of them to run away like little girls. At least from the USG attacking Syria directly. Instead they had to use the jihadi filth.

    I implore all of you to set aside your resentment toward POTUS Trump and simply listen to him. He’s transparent, even on geopolitics. With his words over the weekend he’s making it clear that he will respond proportionately to Iran’s military provocations.

    That doesn’t mean that he won’t respond if Iran keeps at it. Particularly if it kills some American military personnel. Believe me, both China and Russia have told Iran what time it is in terms of the limits of their support in Iran’s confrontation with the USG.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  248. Mike P says:

    Iran will have to decide whether it’s going to flop and twitch for the next 2-6 years

    That was yesterday. Today, they can and will shut down the entire Middle East oil trade, and the U.S. don’t have any good options to respond.

    The U.S. have an utterly dysfunctional government, subject to pressure by several powerful but competing interests. Nobody in the U.S. has a firm grip on the situation anymore. They don’t have the balls to start a war, because they know it’s lunacy; but at the same time they don’t have the political will or latitude to stop the sanctions, which will, before long, lead to war nevertheless. Iran will stop the oil exports, the U.S. will issue an ultimatum, Iran will NOT back down, and there we will have our shooting war.

    This war will be far worse than any other in recent memory, because America is not prepared, does not have the initiative, and its adversary is the most formidable since WW2.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  249. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Latest from Barbara Slavin ……

    Sanctions: Trump’s Cruel Substitute for an Actual Iran Policy
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/sanctions-trumps-cruel-substitute-for-an-actual-iran-policy/

    The point she makes, that “Iranian officials refuse to talk without a credible offer of sanctions relief,” means that Trump’s claim that he’ll negotiate w/o any preconditions is really a stick, not a carrot.

  250. @Sam J.

    Agree, it was far from a “sweet deal” for Iran; and the whole affair is about Jewish hatred — and abiding envy — of Iran.

    Iranian negotiators had a hard time selling the deal to their people because all understood that its most important feature was the ability of US (and thereby Israel) to snoop in their most confidential military and technology facilities.

    Hossein Mousavian has been one of the more intelligent conversants on the JCPOA https://www.c-span.org/video/?325247-1/discussion-iran-nuclear-framework-agreement. His stated suspicions have proven correct: USA would not follow through on sanctions relief and would in other ways renege.
    Those who followed the JCPOA negotiation and subsequent US ‘ratification’ process closely would be justified in concluding that trashing the deal was built into the process: most likely at the insistence of Obama’s Jewish advisors, JCPOA was NOT a treaty, that would require congressional ratification, but merely an agreement — similar to an executive order, and executive orders can be revoked by the next executive. AIPAC has played that angle before, in the other direction: in 1995, Bill Clinton signed the Iran Sanctions executive order that, among other things, forced CONOCO to forego a very favorable contract to develop Iranian oil fields (Iran had offered a sweetheart deal with the hope of improving relations with USA). A Chinese company took up the project.

    Richard Silverstein interviewed Keith Weissman* in 2009; Weissman said that he worked for AIPAC when “AIPAC wrote the order that Clinton signed.” Aware of the fragility of an executive order, the sanctions quickly became enshrined in legislation in the D’Amato Iran – Libya Sanctions Act https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/isa_1996.pdf

    C Span Washington Journal typically hosts two congressmen each day on their 3-hour morning program. Based on the comments of congressmen over the last three or four days, congressmen are handed talking points by AIPAC. I suspect congressional staffers are in control of the narrative, and as Jack Abramoff https://www.c-span.org/video/?303101-1/after-words-jack-abramoff candidly informed the American people, lobbyists exert oversized influence on staffers.

    Apologies for going on so long — there’s a lot of history that is coming to a head in these days. This morning Virginia congresswoman and former CIA case officer Abigail Spanberger (a former understudy to John Brennan) https://www.c-span.org/video/?462042-5/washington-journal-rep-abigail-spanberger-d-va-us-iran-tensions&playEvent appeared at C Span’s table to discuss Iran. One caller, “Kathy,” reminded the moderator and congresswoman that “Iran is a signatory in good standing of the NPT (Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty) but that Israel has refused to sign the NPT.”
    Spanberger’s strategy is to bury inconvenient information in a blizzard of words. Her response to “Kathy’s” comment:

    “As a regional actor, one of our greatest conflicts with Iran is its interactions potentially and its aggressive stance towards Israel, one of our closest allies in the region, if not our our closest ally. When we determined we wanted to move forward with the JCPOA just a couple of years back, part of our motivation was a nonnuclear Iran is not just an issue of securing our national security, but those of our partners in the region and particularly the security of Israel, and our European partners in the next door region, if you will.

    And so the long history that we have had with the Iranians in terms of our efforts and ensuring change of government is a long and storied history. We have seen significant shifts in Iran from a very democratic nation to an authoritarian religious regime and across that history, I think where we find ourselves now in the relationship of the countries that have access to nuclear weapons and our desire to ensure that Iran does not is kind of the current chapter in our current historical process here.
    I think it’s important when we are looking at Iran, we can be informed by history. But I think that Focusing on the JCPOA is where we should be discussing where has been in recent years at what is possible and the current regime government purview has been willing to discuss. “

    No mention that Israel is not a signatory to NPT, a condition that, by US law, makes it impossible for Israel to be an ally to USA.

    No mention that in 1995, when the NPT was up for renewal, the Arab states in the region and Iran were persuaded to assent to renewal of the nonproliferation treaty on the promise that a conference would be held to discuss making the entire region a Nuclear Free Zone, and that Israel’s unmonitored possession of nuclear weapons would be On the Table. (That conference has never been held.)

    * Weissman & Steve Rosen were the two AIPAC agents charged with spying for Israel. Charges were dropped.

  251. @MLK

    “I implore you” — to step into the BS I’m dropping.

    “Iran’s military provocations . . .”

    right.

    I think it was in the subcommittee hearing with Brian Hook that the presence of a US drone in or near to Iran’s air space was vigorously defended.

    Then someone asked the question: “Does Iran fly drones in international air space off the US East Coast, or have the right to do so?”

    The response was, “The US East Coast is so far from Tehran that it would have to be seen as a provocation.”

    So the distance from Tehran to US East Coast is “so great” that it would be “provocative” for Iran to surveil that space, but the distance between the US East Coast and Tehran is not that great at all, therefore USA has a perfect right to fly surveillance drones in that space.

    Love Jack Nicholson’s great line from Good as it Gets:
    “Sell crazy someplace else [MLK]; we’re all stocked up here.”

  252. @Cyrano

    I am not sure that the pipelines that you mentioned can fully substitute for the loss of the volume of oil that can be shipped by sea.

    Obviously it cannot fully substitute.

    My guess is:
    Since the pipelines are not a profitable investment, the Saudi only builded the capacity which could shift the threat game with Iran to their advantage.

    That is:
    Let’s make the assumption that Ormuz is closed, and the pipes are still working.
    SaudiLand and Emirates will still export half of their current output through the pipelines.
    Iran and allied Irak will export nothing.

    Let’say there it makes for around 8 – 9 millions barrels/day which are still missing from the Gulf normal output. That is around 10% of world consumption.
    Oil price will at least double.

    The resulting conditions will be:
    -Saudi/Emirati enjoy the same revenue as usual because (half the barrels * doubled price)
    -Iran and its ally, Irak have zero revenues
    -the rest of planet Earth is going mad because of doubled price.

    The mess is unsustainable, but for Saudis who have nothing to worry for themselves, and they can wait for as longtime as needed.
    The trouble will only be for Iran when the rest of planet Earth will militarily intervene to reopen the strait.

    Therefore, if the Iranians do not demonstrate that they can also close the pipelines, the Ormuz blockade threat is a joke from the Saudi point-of-view; Therefore Saudis will never stop to push Trump against Iran.

    Therefore for Iranians, there was an absolute requirement to demonstrate that they are able to shut down the pipeline export.

  253. @Sam J.

    What business is it of ours if the Iranians hate the Jews.

    The confounding reality is, Iranians do NOT “hate the Jews.”
    Iranians consider Jews their adoptees, theirs to protect.
    Jews have been part of Iranian culture for longer than Jews have been anywhere.
    Iran is the one nation where Jews have lived the longest, the most secure, and never expelled: zionists attempted to bribe Iranian Jews to leave Iran for Israel but very Iranian Jews took the bribes (those who did found themselves as second- or third-class citizens in Israel).

    Zionists?

    That’s a whole different kettle of gefilte fish.

    Iran was “neutral” (though occupied by Allies, to the great harm of Iranians) during WWI and WWII. Iran had been allied to Germany. Iranians knew what was going on; that’s why Iran is able to credibly host a conference on the holocaust.
    Iran knows that zionists are predators from Eastern Europe — see Charles deGaulle & also Heinrich Graetz on Jews in Poland)

  254. KA says:

    Russia, which maintains close ties to both Israel and Iran, is seen as a potential interlocutor between the West and Tehran. But comments made by its representative at the summit, security adviser Nikolai Patrushev, indicated that Moscow was siding with the Islamic Republic.

    In press conferences on Tuesday, Patrushev rejected the view held by the US and Israel that Iran represents “the main threat to regional security” and said Israeli airstrikes in Syria against Iranian forces and its proxies were “undesirable.”

    Times of Israel

    Russia lauded the roles of Iran in Syria . also.

  255. @Mike P

    Iran will stop the oil exports, the U.S. will issue an ultimatum, Iran will NOT back down, and there we will have our shooting war.

    Not sure the blockade will go to US ultimatum, then war.

    Trump want to win its reelection.
    War would not help him.
    He can let the blockade happen.
    The economic mess is bound to happen in any case, so Trump will cheer that the Middle East give him matter to exonerate himself of the responsibility.
    The fracking industry will benefit and provide oil for US cars.
    The oil blockade would kill China.

    If the US Empire dreams of oil embargo against China, what is the most safe way to do it? It is to have someone else making it.
    I mean: Someones in Washington do not care about Israêl. They want US to go against China. It would be rational they oppose US leaving the most important goal and playing the israeli agenda against Iran. Nevertheless, they practically do not oppose. It may be purposely. They could subtly drive the Middle East mess until the blockade happen.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  256. Mike P says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Brilliant argument. However, this seems like a very risky move. An oil embargo against Japan brought on Pearl Harbour; an oil embargo against China – and Japan, and Europe, and India, and just about anyone else – would create turmoil on a scale that Washington could not possibly control anymore. People would be in no doubt as to who is ultimately responsible, and the backlash would be enormous. Europe, China, and Japan might very well pay Russia, which owns just about the only credible armed forces on the planet and has at least working relationships with everyone, to take control of the middle East and get the oil flowing again, including from Iran; and there we would have a new, shiny Eurasian economic union in one fell swoop.

    It is also far from clear that Iran would not start shooting if the U.S. don’t. In fact, their implementation of the embargo would already involve some use of military means, openly or thinly disguised, to which the U.S. will very likely feel compelled to respond in kind; and as we know, these things have a habit of escalating.

    Donald may dearly wish to win reelection (though what the attraction of his job might be eludes me), but he is expendable, as other presidents before him have been.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  257. Junior says:
    @Parfois1

    Uh oh, looks like a certain “Frenchman” is upset that Trump is calling out Europe and getting in the way of France and their multi-billion dollar deals to help China build their OneBeltOneRoad.

    Your public display of imbecility does not enhance your standing by denigrating someone you might disagree with.

    Yes your cowardly passive-aggressive posts attacking people that you disagree with perfectly proves your point. Apparently, I’ll have to work on that. It may not enhance my standing but it certainly doesn’t hurt my Social Credit Score like a certain denk I know.

    It only shows your bad faith and inability to make a reasoned argument.

    Just because the reasoning flew over your head, doesn’t mean it wasn’t present. Looks like you need some help so allow me to break it down for you.

    People living in a communist dictatorship that monitors their activities on a Social Credit System when they aren’t busy taking “Great Leaps Forward” slaughtering millions of their own citizens, are hypocritical fools for attempting to bash America and I intend to point it out by mocking their incredibly flawed reasoning.

    Sorry if it’s not in the lame joke back-handed passive-aggressive manner that you choose to approach things with, but we ALL can’t be cowards now can we? Some of us are Americans. 😉

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @By-tor
  258. @Mike P

    You’re right, this move is risky. For instance, all the trade tariff stuff is quite less risky against China ; But it will only delay the China ascent. Not very effective.
    Can you think of an effective and non-risky move against China?

    Since the nineties I had been thinking of the coming competition of China with USA. Since many years I was saying myself:
    – “The China plan are obvious. It’s a mix of Friedrich List and Sun-Tzu”. I said on the Internet around year 2000, when China joined WTO that they will cheat as much as possible. The reason is they could not have actually quit the Friedrich List manual, which had been so effective for them. And so on.. It was very interesting to watch. I did even predicted they had a plan for something the like of OBOR when around year 2003 China bought a medium size airport in East Germany. Well, I was not a precog. I only correctly identified that they followed the roadmap drawn by F. List. Anyway I was pleased to regularly find my analysis validated.
    – It had been all the opposite on the other side, I never was able to understand what were the US plans against China. They must have some. Where were them? From what is visible, USA is doomed. Therefore the US survival plan is something hidden. A very tricky plan, which will reveals itself in the course of events. That’s the reason I write so convoluted a scenario about blockade and USA. I would have prefered a simpler one, if I could find it.

    Anyway. I would not bet much on my scenario. I was mostly curious to discuss it.

    You’re right, if the blockade happens, anybody will remember that it’s the US who started all the trouble when leaving JCPOA. This is a good point. Iranians take care to not modify that picture and keep the statute of the innocent party.
    For that reason, US needs someone else to do something really mad and criminal, so that he will be the scapegoat who exonerates USA. The scapegoat coud be Iranians (let’s imagine if they had shot not the drone but the acompanying plane); The scapegoat could be the saudi MBS. Would it be difficult to make it, No, he’s the useful idiot/mad criminal.

    About Putin taking care of Middle East. That would make him the master of most oil for Eurasia. From my french point-of-view, it is not a solution. It is a matter of conflict inside Eurasia. Just look about the Syrian pipeline which is the root of the Syrian civil war. France and Putin were ennemies. Well, I find it! That’s the USA plan. War inside Eurasia. Then US will come five years latter to liberate everybody. And you are pushing for that plan. You are unmasked, MikeP, the CIA officer.

    As you see, there is so many possible scenario, we cannot know which one had been conceived. And even those who are the designers of the scenario will probably be surprised by real events.

    The only thing I’m sure is that we have better to watch for an hidden agenda relating to US/China conflict, beyond the Gulf oil blockade story.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Sam J.
    , @Sam J.
  259. peterAUS says:
    @Junior

    People living in a communist dictatorship that monitors their activities on a Social Credit System when they aren’t busy taking “Great Leaps Forward” slaughtering millions of their own citizens, are hypocritical fools for attempting to bash America

    Yep.

    As for

    I intend to point it out by mocking their incredibly flawed reasoning.

    well, I am not sure you’ll get any traction there or majority of posters here. It’s not about reasoning. It’s about emotion. Online therapy if you will.
    And, we have to be fair: this site is one of tiny online minority (and being minimized as we speak by deplatforming…) that allow such attitude. Bashing The Empire, that is. The rest, majority, are quite good in bashing China and/or Russia etc.

    In any case, go for it.

    O.T. but….don’t “we” have already some rudimentary “social credit” system in place in West?
    Not that open and crude as in China, but still.
    I’ll explain:
    Say, you are an independent consultant/contractor/freelancer/whatever. You apply for (quick) job/contract. The first thing the potential employer does is check your online presence.
    See where I am going to?

    • Replies: @Junior
  260. Junior says:
    @Parfois1

    by denigrating someone you might disagree with. It only shows your bad faith and inability to make a reasoned argument. In fact it is no more than the hiding place for the cowards who have no courage to face truth.

    Meanwhile in Parfois’s post #239:

    You are wasting your time with a pretend Ozzie. He’s not Australian. Ozzies are a dignified breed but modest, playful and irreverent; they don’t indulge in making fool of themselves by putting on airs of self-importance and crappy wisdom.

    Care to explain the “reasoned argument” in your cowardly passive-aggressive post denigrating peterAUS because you disagree with him?

    Pot meet kettle.

    Oops, so that you can understand better:

    Le pot rencontre l’hypocrite.

    LMAO! 😀

  261. @By-tor

    It makes no strategic sense that [Iranians] would [attack the tankers],

    I gave you my arguments about the strategic sense. You also have my arguments against your thesis. I repeat that it’s all in my comment N°10.
    Either you have something to say against my arguments, then write it,

    either you should have left, instead of repeating your initial assertion.

    Right now my feeling is that you cannot bring a useful critic of my say. Therefore, I’ll stop the exchange here now. It will be your choice to correct my feeling or not.

  262. Mike P says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Can you think of an effective and non-risky move against China?

    No, I can’t. That ship has sailed.

    Very insightful to invoke Friedrich List. Yes, that is it exactly – a consistent strategy that mixes national and capitalist elements, carried out steadily over multiple decades. China’s ascent recapitulates that of Germany in the 19th century. Like Germany, their reward is to have a target painted on their back, but fortunately they are simply too big, and America is too enfeebled to defeat them.

    I never was able to understand what were the US plans against China. They must have some. Where were them? From what is visible, USA is doomed. Therefore the US survival plan is something hidden. A very tricky plan, which will reveals itself in the course of events.

    I think the plan for America’s future has been best articulated by staunch American ally Bibi Netanyahu, him of the 29 standing ovations in Congress:

    Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.

    There is a simple reason why you won’t find a coherent long-term strategy for national domination or even survival in the U.S. international relations. The U.S. government does not serve the national interest; it simply serves the interests of the international crime syndicate that controls it. Same goes for most other Western governments.

    Well, I find it! That’s the USA plan. War inside Eurasia. Then US will come five years latter to liberate everybody. And you are pushing for that plan. You are unmasked, MikeP, the CIA officer.

    Darn. Well, now that you have managed to unmask me as a CIA officer, you can certainly guess my complete last name.

  263. Junior says:
    @peterAUS

    I see what you’re saying and agree that if the globalists in our midsts continue to have their way then we are in for a load of trouble as they de-platform dissenting voices and even go so far as to try to incite violence against them but I would say that there is a huge difference with your example of a rudimentary social credit system here in America and the one in China because their all encompassing system is being controlled, monitored, and enforced by their government.

    I would say that a better example of our government employing a sort of rudimentary social credit system would be felons being required to state that they are felons on job applications or sex-offenders rightly being required to register as such, but the HUGE difference between this and China’s social credit system is that we have due process. The people who face what could be called our rudimentary social credit system had their chance to challenge these consequences in the court of law with legal representation but were found by a jury of their peers to be guilty. That due process, in my opinion, makes all the difference in the world.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Biff
  264. bluedog says:
    @MLK

    Damn again I’ve used the agree button rather than saving the troll button for crap like this,get your head out of that dark place you park it and see the light.!!

  265. peterAUS says:
    @Junior

    Agree.

    Still, I believe that, with the current trend, we’ll likely have some sort of “social credit” in West within next 10 years or so.
    Maybe informal, with light touch, but still effective enough to keep the urban population in check, middle class in particular. Or…hehe..what’s left of it.
    My gut feeling, for underclass, on state “assistance”, it will be harder.

    Easy to imagine some version of UBI and “social credit” working together in not so distant future in certain scenarios.

    Anyway, this topic will come up soon around here I think.

    Now..hehe..back to bashing weak and incompetent USA.

    Which can obliterate Iran and probably the world if it comes to that. Which points to its weakness, military in particular.
    The usual stuff around here.

    • Agree: Junior
  266. @Mike P

    There is a simple reason why you won’t find a coherent long-term strategy for national domination or even survival in the U.S. international relations. The U.S. government does not serve the national interest; it simply serves the interests of the international crime syndicate that controls it.
    Then, once the nation has dried: How could this international crime syndicate survive ? Although it is international, he needs a base and janissaries.
    History shows that the syndicate had been moving from the drying country to another; for instance from Amsterdam to London around 17th century, then it went to New-York;

    I expected it to move to China. It seems like China understood the game. China pretended to be interested, got what it could take, then refused to pursue. See the Rupert Murdoch adventures in China.

    That’s why I still believe they must have a plan, because this time, There Is No Alternative to the drying country for the syndicate.

    About Friedrich List. A little story:
    Long time ago, some economist, who was a free-trade proselyt, accused me to be a Friedrich List disciple. I did not know what was the List theory. Thus I tried to find its book on the internet, to no avail. When I finally got it, that was on an academic server in Korea. It was stored in a folder with two other book, the classics from Adam Smith and David Ricardo. Here in the West all of mainstream economist take Smith and Ricardo as valuable ancestor, but they despise List.

    It gave me some thought about how special were the academic references for the academic economists in Korea. Then, it was easy to see that:
    – Japan borrowed the List manual from Germany during Meiji era, also again after WW2
    – former Japanese colonies, that Taiwan and Korea are, did borrow the book from Japan after WW2
    – therefore Chinese economists were probably stealing this intellectual property of their more advanced neighboring fellow.

    By the way, it is said that List borrowed some inspiration when he lived in USA for some years before writing his book… May be it’s time to close the circumnavigation of the List’s ship and welcome him back in USA.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Sam J.
    , @Mike P
  267. By-tor says:
    @Junior

    “People living in a communist dictatorship that monitors their activities on a Social Credit System when they aren’t busy taking “Great Leaps Forward” slaughtering millions of their own citizens, are hypocritical fools for attempting to bash America and I intend to point it out by mocking their incredibly flawed reasoning.”

    Well, the above an uninformed American thing to say. Who besides Mao laid the foundation for China to rise after its ability to feed itself was largely solved? ( China could not trust the US and Canada. ) Oddly, the Chinese gov’t has not been importing muti-millions of Third World turds to replace its industrious native population as is the US ( and Canada ), nor is the CHI gov’t carrying out a psychological and cultural war against its majority HAN population such as the US gov’t elite have been doing for 60+ years against the white majority.

    The US and Canada tried to starve Maoist China back during the 1950’s and 1960’s using economic sanctions. Post-1945, no one has killed more people than the US ruling class.

    • Agree: Biff
    • Replies: @Junior
    , @Sam J.
  268. @Mike P

    About your concluding joke: Did you imply that Mike Pence is a Agency employee, or was it only fun?

    • Replies: @Mike P
  269. Biff says:
    @Junior

    but the HUGE difference between this and China’s social credit system is that we have due process.

    Now there’s a real knee slapper. Not that it makes you look like an idiot though.

    • Replies: @Junior
  270. denk says:
    @Parfois1

    I might as well explain why I dump junior into my bozo file, …..

    Junior

    All those countries that we bombed had ‘treaded on us’ simply by not being us. !

    murikkan exceptionalism impersonified

    Im against wars but… we’r way better than the Chinese, According to the NYT, the chinese massacre their own people

    A hypocrite and an idiot.

    But you’ve been doing such a good job of upping your social credit score, comrade. Are you sure that your party leaders in Beijing are gonna be alright with you taking off early? ‘

    Sounds like one of those cybots pervading the alternate media these days, all preprogrammed with CIA agitprop.

    http://www.unz.com/mhudson/trumps-trade-threats-are-really-cold-war-2-0/#comment-3279356

  271. Junior says:
    @By-tor

    Who besides Mao laid the foundation for China to rise after its ability to feed itself was largely solved?

    “Largely solved” by Mao decreasing the number of mouths to feed by slaughtering millions of his own people. So Mao is a hero for murderously decreasing the ratio of food/people, is that what the communists are brainwashing their captive audience with nowadays?

    Oddly, the Chinese gov’t has not been importing muti-millions of Third World turds to replace its industrious native population

    “Industrious native population”? That’s an interesting take on Chinese forced labor camps.

    nor is the CHI gov’t carrying out a psychological and cultural war against its majority HAN population such as the US gov’t elite have been doing

    This is just an absolutely ridiculous statement. Communism is by it’s nature a psychological and cultural war against it’s citizens to stop them from thinking independently. China, with it’s permanent authoritarian ruling class living the high life running roughshod over an unarmed docile populace that is not allowed to think outside of their collectivist hive mentality of enriching their captors, is the epitome of exactly what the elitists want to happen in the US and exactly what they would want their One World Government to mirror.

    The US and Canada tried to starve Maoist China back during the 1950’s and 1960’s using economic sanctions.

    Yes it’s the U.S. and Canada’s fault that Mao was exporting grain while his population starved to death. Makes perfect sense. Nothing to do with a completely inept bloated bureaucracy filled with people either too scared to object or insane ideological zealots like Mao who valued Party image over the lives of his own people.

    Post-1945, no one has killed more people than the US ruling class.

    Post-1918, no one has killed more of it’s own people than the Communists.

    • Replies: @By-tor
  272. Junior says:
    @Biff

    Touché.

    I gotta admit… that’s funny 😀

    You got that one 😉

  273. @Parisian Guy

    Here’s a great primer on Friedrich List and his theories. He suffered for his “sins” too.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1993/12/how-the-world-works/305854/

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
    , @RobinG
    , @Sam J.
  274. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…History shows that the syndicate had been moving from the drying country to another; for instance from Amsterdam to London around 17th century, then it went to New-York;

    I expected it to move to China. It seems like China understood the game. China pretended to be interested, got what it could take, then refused to pursue. See the Rupert Murdoch adventures in China…”

    I agree very much with this notion. I suspect the Jews are temperamentally suited to parasite on Whites but will fail in Asia. Their long success in Europe has not mentally prepared them for what they face.

    I also suspect the overthrow of the Western Ukraine is a back up plan created because the future in Israel doesn’t look too good. Especially when they found they could not defeat Hezbollah.

    They’ve dug themselves into a large hole. A LOT of people in the US and Europe now realize the depth of the Jews betrayal of the West and are not happy about it at all. before they could just flit off to another country but world wide communications is making that strategy null and void.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  275. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…Just look about the Syrian pipeline which is the root of the Syrian civil war…”

    I find your writing quite illuminating while not agreeing with all of it. The above quote I think is a farce put out by the Jews. Take a little time and look at maps of pipelines across the Mediterranean. I think you’ll find that going through Syria is not needed at all. They could easily go around. There’s already a pipeline from Saudi Arabia to Egypt. It could easily be made bigger and go across. I think the war in Syria is all about the Jews wanting to control everyone no matter what.

    “…From what is visible, USA is doomed…”

    I also don’t agree with this. True we will fall quite a ways but we have a lot of resources , great farm land, an excellent river system next to none, a lot of smart people and even with our greatly diminished situation a lot of cash still. If we would stop muddling about everyone else’s business and focus on our own we could do very well.

    If the US could get rid of the Jews and their destructive influence the US could immediately see vast increases in the well being of it’s citizens. The overhead to have Jews in your country is immense. They have no limit to their greed. Of course this is why they get kicked out of every single country they go to in any numbers.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
    , @RobinG
  276. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…From what is visible, USA is doomed. Therefore the US survival plan is something hidden. A very tricky plan, which will reveals itself in the course of events…”

    I believe the plan was, no plan. Or at least the Whites had no plan. The Jews run the US. I mean if they can blow up buildings in the center of one of our biggest cites and no one does anything…then they run the country.

    The Jew plan all along, I believe, was for the Jews to destroy the US then move to China.

    I think it even might be possible that the massive amounts of buildings the Chinese built in China that no one seems to know what they are for as they are empty was originally for the Jews. The Jews had this plan to move to China and then…I think the Chinese double crossed them somehow and let them know in no uncertain terms they were NOT letting the Jews move into China to live.

    It appeared to me that the Jew plan changed to starting a China/Russia vs USA nuclear war while the Jews nuked Europe and the middle east but…Trump fucked that up so now they’re fucked.

    Of course all of this sounds crazy, unless, you assumed the Jews were a tribe with a vast number of psychopaths who would kill ANY amount of people to come out on top and if you, knowing this, watched what seemed to be going on. Then it makes sense.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  277. alexander says:
    @RobinG

    Thanks for your response,

    “As someone pointed out, in 1990 the Security Council was nothing but an endorser of US orders.”

    Hmmm…..

    “Neocon-ing” the past again, Robin ?

    Think about Iraq’s illegal invasion and (attempted) annexation of Kuwait .

    Are you suggesting it was ONLY a supreme international crime because the US said so ?

    What a crock of sh#t, Robin….What a total “cop out”..

    Have you been so “bitch slapped ” by our Neocon defrauders for so long … you can’t tell up from down anymore ? .

    Everyone and their uncle, seems to be “bending over backwards” to function as “apologists” for our post 9-11, wanton criminality under neocon tutelage, as opposed to making a stand for “accountability”.

    Rather then doing THE RIGHT THING, which is demanding our neocon elites be LOCKED UP and have to PONY UP all their assets to PAY for the wars they LIED US INTO……everyone wimps out, …..like so many “anti American” chicken little’s …..( especially you ,Robin),…opting instead to REINTERPRET all of history through the prism of (post -9-11) Neoconservative criminality and aggression…

    Diluting the heinous crimes which have been committed in our names…by saying…oh…we have “always “been doing that….it was “always” that way….ooh ..ooh ..ooh..coochie coo..

    BULLSHIT !

    You want to make a difference, Robin?…Do you actually want to do some good ?..do you really want to take a stand and change things ?.

    THEN START DEMANDING ACCOUNTABILITY FROM OUR ELITES FOR DEFRAUDING US INTO ILLEGAL WAR .

    Make them pay for their deceptions….every damn penny.

    You say I care about our “Debt”…as though somehow it doesn’t matter to YOU that 16 trillion dollars of our grandchildren’ s money has been STOLEN to pay for the ILLEGAL WARS we were all LIED into ?

    As though somehow its not a CRIME to steal TRILLIONS of our nations solvency to commit illegal war and go mass murder innocent people who never attacked us and never intended to ?

    BULLSHIT !

    Nobody seems to understand the power at “our” command today, if the American people just stood up (together) for what’s right….

    All these BILLIONAIRE OLIGARCHS…running around, buying off our politicians, lying us into war, shitting on our constitution every day….all of them , ..and I mean, “all of them” OWE the US TAXPAYER TWENTY THREE TRILLION DOLLARS……RIGHT NOW.

    This is “the reality”….and they know it…. and are scared absolutely shit-less….someone might FIGURE IT OUT .

    That the US taxpayer has all these JAMOCHE’S over a barrel….everything they OWN…belongs to US.

    All we need to do is (collectively) enforce the law…..just one time….and they are TOAST.

  278. Sam J. says:
    @By-tor

    “…Oddly, the Chinese gov’t has not been importing muti-millions of Third World turds to replace its industrious native population as is the US ( and Canada ), nor is the CHI gov’t carrying out a psychological and cultural war against its majority HAN population such as the US gov’t elite have been doing for 60+ years against the white majority. ..”

    This was the Jews and the goy they propped up to run things.

    If you look around and even slightly pay attention you will see that the vast majority of the US’s problems could be cured by simply getting rid of the Jews.

    Every time you turn around there’s some sort of destruction, degradation or plot that the Jews have foisted on us. We simply need to get rid of them and then we can work on these problems without their interference.

  279. @Sam J.

    Jews […] will fail in Asia.

    I’ve heard that Chineses were sometimes seen as the Jews of Asia. This was probably aimed to the Chines diaspora who often get in the trade. Whatever, Jews and Chineses have some common traits which makes me believe Chineses recognize them as competitors.

    I also suspect the overthrow of the Western Ukraine is a back up plan

    Here in france same hypothesis around South Chile and Argentina (Patagonia) instead of Ukrainia.

    A LOT of people in the US and Europe …

    Hard to say accurately how many. Beware that you meet more frequently the people who thinks like you. And the social Internet reinforce the information bubble; Look at the Left; Many of them feel that there is LOT more than before who believe like them; Actually, they are only living in a more closed small society of like-minded people.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  280. @NoseytheDuke

    Here’s a great primer on Friedrich List and his theories. He suffered for his “sins” too.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1993/12/how-the-world-works/305854/

    Quite a long paper, I had no time to actually read it for now.

    Nevertheless, from what I scooped, I can strongly recommand it; The author know what he speaks about. It does illustrate what I was saying to a striking point; Even the author quest for the List book in Asia.

    Another interesting fact is that it’s published by The Atlantic. That is, in my opinion the Voice of the Empire Servants. I means those who, perhaps want to do something for US survival. I believe they do exist. They are part of what is named “deep sate”, but they are not on the zionist agenda. As a French, I cannot support them, for my guess is they want to continue empire. Not my cup of tea.
    Good news for Americans anyway. Somewhere in the elite, there is some people who know what the real economics are.

  281. @alexander

    It seems like you are unfamiliar with the role of a policeman. Ever look into the actions of your local city’s narcotics squad? I think you’ll find they align quite well with the world police’s modus operandi.

    • Replies: @alexander
  282. Mike P says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I was actually thinking of Mike “Fat Man” Pompeo. I don’t know anything about Mike Pence, except that I dislike his face.

  283. @Sam J.

    Take a little time and look at maps of pipelines across the Mediterranean. I think you’ll find that going through Syria is not needed at all. They could easily go around. There’s already a pipeline from Saudi Arabia to Egypt. It could easily be made bigger and go across.

    Hu thanks. These places are only a 2 or 3 hour flight from Paris.; I know the map as much as you know the map of the opposite side of your country.
    The project was to link Europe with the giant natural gaz field from South Par (right between Quatar and Iran).
    Syria was the natural and best way. It doesn’t matter that it could be possible to build a pipeline going in another place. Nobody (save for the USA perhaps) wanted to impeach gaz to flow from South Par to Europe. The matter of conflict was about who will control the pipeline and get the most of the benefit.

    Let’s say I’m a french pipeline company. I decide to let Bachar alone and go build from Gulf to Egypt, the Tunisia, then crossing the Med and going through Italia.
    What happens then? Good old boys Bachar and Vladimir strike a deal with Iranians. Then natural gaz coming from the northern part of that same field flows to my customer by the syrian way which is shorter and cheaper. I cannot compete. The Bachar-Vlad gang as won. And Vlad got a bigger monopoly on natural gaz.

    True we will fall quite a ways but we have a lot […] a lot of smart people
    Who are quite proficient in computer science for algorithms mining the stock market.
    But not so smart for obvious and life-threatening question such as redundency in 737MAX.
    I means smartness was diverted in useless proficiency; The useful works was often done by imported brains.

    It will not come back instantly

  284. alexander says:
    @NobodyKnowsImADog

    Oh, I understand.

    I am referring to the notion of “policeman” as someone who is authentically upholding the law , doing good things around the world…. and helping people.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  285. Mike P says:
    @Parisian Guy

    There is a simple reason why you won’t find a coherent long-term strategy for national domination or even survival in the U.S. international relations. The U.S. government does not serve the national interest; it simply serves the interests of the international crime syndicate that controls it.

    Then, once the nation has dried: How could this international crime syndicate survive ? Although it is international, he needs a base and janissaries.

    History shows that the syndicate had been moving from the drying country to another; for instance from Amsterdam to London around 17th century, then it went to New-York;

    I expected it to move to China. It seems like China understood the game. China pretended to be interested, got what it could take, then refused to pursue. See the Rupert Murdoch adventures in China.

    That’s why I still believe they must have a plan, because this time, There Is No Alternative to the drying country for the syndicate.

    You hit the nail on the head, again. There must be something in the water at Paris; you should bottle the stuff and sell it.

    Like you, I suspect that the plan was to take over China and with it most of the rest of the world, and I also agree with you that this plan looks unlikely to succeed. Moreover, I think that a faction within the syndicate has come to the same conclusion. These people now throw their weight behind “right wing” parties and media enterprises in Western countries which promise to make those countries great again. The other faction of the syndicate perseveres in the delusion that the Western countries are expendable and therefore should be further looted and degraded.

    Thus, the current struggle about things like sealing the borders of the U.S. and the E.U., preserving national identities, bringing back jobs, etc., cuts right across the syndicate – this must be so, for how could there be struggle if the syndicate were at the same time firmly in control and also united.

    Both factions are united, of course, in their desire to have the old Western countries fight Israel’s abominable wars in the Middle East. This is the fault line where the true nationalists and the Zionist fake nationalists must part ways, even in the short term.

    Fully agree re. List, Japan, Korea, and China. This is the only, or at least the most effective, path toward the economic development of nations.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  286. @Sam J.

    the massive amounts of buildings the Chinese built in China
    New building and cities are not inhabited before fully finished. The empty cities were fake news, or so it is said.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  287. RobinG says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Just want to bookmark this.

    Here’s a great primer on Friedrich List and his theories. He suffered for his “sins” too.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1993/12/how-the-world-works/305854/

  288. RobinG says:
    @Sam J.

    “…Just look about the Syrian pipeline which is the root of the Syrian civil war…”

    Agreed that this is a farce. Also the simplistic ‘climate change>drought>displaced farmers’ notion some others push. It’s not a lie (i.e. there was some migration to cities) but it was not the impetus they allege.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  289. anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    NK, Venejueala , Iran don’t need from outside much. Society comes to new equilibrium and move on.
    But the memories stay there for generations.
    America is not a normal regular country . Media, think tank, common people, elected leaders, the military brass ,and the think tanks – all have a severe dependence on how US could shape the behaviors of other ( world) freeing the media,citizen,leaders,think tanks from changing or talking about changing their own behaviors .

    The power that US is proud of and wants more – is this ability to continue to shape the lives of the rest of the world population.

    This has inbuilt death switch. Slowly US is approaching the point. Nicaragua ,Granda,first gulf war were success until it met Afghanistan, Iraq, Venezuela, Geirgia, Ukraine .
    The financial skullduggery of creating fiat money until it met 2007, barter economy of third world, Ruble – Yuang deal and deals with local currencies.

    Decades before America faced a lot of crisises , America tackled them well and got stronger.
    Now America creates crisis and gets weaker while trying to solve .

    The only thing that is protecting is the old geography f the seas . But the seas are being circumvented by missile . One day Iran will get there and so will Hizbullah .
    NK will soon. The arrival of southern immigrant has altered already the landscape so much that the illegal immigration has even gained independent voices in the decision making process and has fragmented the society.

    Kent college massacre today doesn’t die quietly but raises its head repeatedly and inexorably .
    The white fighting the yellow and sand nigger abroad . White is fighting the black and Latono . There is no decisive outcome as was in 19 th century . Only the erosion from inside .

    The lack of deal between NK and USA has left NK to pursue its anti USA tactics in Iran and Cuba and Venezuela.
    Trade deal has forced China to move faster to where it was already moving to.
    Russian sanction has hardened the ultra and has destroyed the hold on the population.
    America is left with depending on military power which is now air power that destroys but doesn’t leave room for any constructive creation on which US can depend . This is not same as plundering the west . It is like destroying the west for the Spamish -Mexican and Native to live on the west .

    Death is staring at face . Trump’s anger and glorification of faliures is the collective expression of same of the large swath of the people . It is impotent ineffective ,tragic and ridiculous .

    Saudi Arab even has figured it out that the fate of Saddam, S Vietnam president or Noregia or Liberia’s Taylor can visit them. That’s the reason they are getting closer to Russia and buying S- 400. That’s the reason they are calling China.

    America can pride for being the biggest market . But that market is shrinking .

    Already the frustration at the decreasing buying capacities of the millennial are showing up.

    Nobody needs to destroy America. It is a doing a good job.

    The tribe that is a creating it is the same architect of Iraq war, who would again would tell American ‘ America didn’t listen to us ‘ recapturing their excuses and self – serving mea culpa against Bush Jr. that his administration did not follow the entire package of advices and rules they sent to the Oval Office.

  290. @Parisian Guy

    I support whatever measures are most practical, under the circumstances, to protect the physical lives, security, land, access to water and vital resources, dignity, interests, rights, traditional culture, and common language of my people here in the USA, as well as our kindred peoples abroad.

    Sometimes that may be “free market” or “free trade”, sometimes not.

    Anyway, you’re surely aware that we don’t have and haven’t had free markets or free trade in quite some time, and those options are not actually on offer.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  291. @RobinG

    “…Just look about the Syrian pipeline which is the root of the Syrian civil war…”< – – – – Agreed that this is a farce
    Well, how the farce could explain that Quatar shifted side?

    • Replies: @RobinG
  292. @RadicalCenter

    Anyway, you’re surely aware that we don’t have and haven’t had free markets or free trade in quite some time, and those options are not actually on offer.

    I’m aware, well. But I’m not sure we thought the same thing. From what I read on the Internet of Americans, the complaints are mainly about state interference. I mean, if your complaint is that of a libertarian, I am not “aware” in this sense.

    On the other hand, if you thought of all the hidden monopolies that graze the real economy, we are in complete agreement.

    By the way my joke wanted to tell about the difficulties to have a regulated economy. As soon as you’ll want to restrict oil export, all the oil corporations will bribe Washington DC to derail your project. And they’ll claim “Free trade”, Free trade “

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  293. @Mike P

    Ah, more difficult, this time. I don’t have real analysis from mine. I will give you the one of French Alain Soral. I cannot say I’m fully convinced, because that conspiracy is too much. But until now I have not met an opposing data.

    His idea is that at the highest level the Left Wing and Right wing of the syndicate have some kinf of coordination. They are complementary. For instance, the more immigration there is (because of the Left Wing), the more people wanting to oppose immigration will vote and support the Right Wing.

    Then when Right Wing (or pretending) floats in the air some nazi flag, (just bought one day before, since foldings are still visible) all left people sustain the Left Wing. It doesn’t matter so much if the Syndicate is divided. What matters is the sheeple to be divided. Each half sheeple hates and fears the other half sheeple, and begs a Syndicate Faction for protection from the other half.

    Whatever the outcome, the Syndicate will stay in power. It’s only a matter of controling the medias enough, so that outsiders can be vetoed.

    Soral did not make any link with the China “acess denial”

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @Sam J.
  294. RobinG says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Your question seems reverse logic. Maybe you can explain.

    There are all kinds of motives moving at once, but you called it “the root” of the war. Not so much. You also called it a civil war. The White Helmet brigade would like you to think so. Farce, indeed. But not funny.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  295. @RobinG

    I did a wrong sentence.

    Here is the Qatar question:

    Your theory cannot explain one fact: Qatar switched side.

    My theory can explain:
    Once it became obvious that Bachar will not go, Qatar was in trouble. It would never be able to export its share of the SouthPars field through the planed pipeline. So Quatar had to switch side. It stopped supporting jihadists. Since it betrayed Saudi , there had been a blockade from its terrestrial access. Qatar had to get food by boat from Iran and Turkey.

    Now obviously, as soon as possible Iran and Qatar will together exploit the field.
    And, the pipeline will go through Iran to Europe.

    By the way Turkey also switched side. Turkey got sweet deals from Putin about pipeline. How could it be? Unlucky you are, I say.

    South Pars is 20% of world proven reserves. I would like you to pretend that you knew all that when you claimed “farce”.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  296. By-tor says:
    @Junior

    Largely solved” by Mao decreasing the number of mouths to feed by slaughtering millions of his own people. So Mao is a hero for murderously decreasing the ratio of food/people, is that what the communists are brainwashing their captive audience with nowadays

    ?”

    Well Junior, how did the population of China increase by 77% over this same time period? I am not a Maoist, but you are just parroting US propaganda. Because of the policies of Khruschev and disagreements with the USSR, Mao advocated opening up to the US as a way to continue self-sufficiency and mechanization- hence the meeting with Nixon.

    “Yes it’s the U.S. and Canada’s fault that Mao was exporting grain while his population starved to death. Makes perfect sense. Nothing to do with a completely inept bloated bureaucracy filled with” people either too scared to object or insane ideological zealots like Mao who valued Party image over the lives of his own people.”

    You are passing off emotional assertions as fact. China was prevented from buying grain and finished goods by the US and UK embargoes. Because China’s modernization depended upon its ability to feed itself, it’s overall exports were meager and that low cash flow also limited its imports from Europe. That is undeniable.

    https://www.americanforeignrelations.com/E-N/Embargoes-and-Sanctions-Cold-war-sanctions.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/flash/june/china71.htm?noredirect=on

    http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/special/china_1950_us_china.htm

    http://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1951062000

    https://crawford.anu.edu.au/pdf/pep/pep-304.pdf

    “Even according to figures released by the ( revisionist ) Deng Xiaoping regime, industrial production increased by 11.2% per year from 1952-1976 (by 10% a year during the alleged catastrophe of the Cultural Revolution). In 1952 industry was 36% of gross value of national output in China. By 1975 industry was 72% and agriculture was 28%.”

    http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/special/china_1900_mao_early.htm

    “Official Chinese sources, released after Mao’s death, suggest that 16.5 million people died in the Great Leap Forward. These figures were released during an ideological campaign by the government of Deng Xiaoping against the legacy of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. However, there seems to be no way of independently, authenticating these figures due to the great mystery about how they were gathered and preserved for twenty years before being released to the general public. American researchers managed to increase this figure to around 30 million by combining the Chinese evidence with extrapolations of their own from China’s censuses in 1953 and 1964. Recently, Jung Chang and Jon Halliday in their book Mao: the Unknown Story reported 70 million killed by Mao, including 38 million in the Great Leap Forward.”

    “U.S. state agencies have provided assistance to those with a negative attitude to Maoism (and communism in general) throughout the post-war period. For example, the veteran historian of Maoism Roderick MacFarquhar edited The China Quarterly in the 1960s. This magazine published allegations about massive famine deaths that have been quoted ever since. It later emerged that this journal received money from a CIA front organisation, as MacFarquhar admitted in a recent letter to The London Review of Books. (Roderick MacFarquhar states that he did not know the money was coming from the CIA while he was editing The China Quarterly.)”

    “Those who have provided qualitative evidence, such as eyewitness accounts cited by Jasper Becker in his famous account of the period Hungry Ghosts, have not provided enough accompanying evidence to authenticate these accounts. Important documentary evidence quoted by Chang and Halliday concerning the Great Leap Forward is presented in a demonstrably misleading way.”

    “Evidence from the Deng Xiaoping regime Mao that millions died during the Great Leap Forward is not reliable. Evidence from peasants contradicts the claim that Mao was mainly to blame for the deaths that did occur during the Great Leap Forward period.”

    “U.S. demographers have tried to use death rate evidence and other demographic evidence from official Chinese sources to prove the hypothesis that there was a “massive death toll” in the Great Leap Forward (i.e. a hypothesis that the “largest famine of all time” or “one of the largest famines of all time” took place during the Great Leap Forward). However, inconsistencies in the evidence and overall doubts about the source of their evidence undermine this “massive death toll” hypothesis.”

    https://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/

    • Replies: @Junior
  297. RobinG says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Your theory cannot explain one fact…
    Well, I didn’t say my theory, so you must be guessing.

    RFK Jr. also subscribes to the pipeline theory (as root of war), so you have company.

  298. I kinda liked the part about Israel and the entire Saudi ruling family being wiped out…

  299. @denk

    Not sure I completely agree with your analysis of the American people since England nor the United States (who walks in England’s imperial footsteps) have never been free of Jewish money changers and war mongers.

  300. @peterAUS

    You quit reading before you got to the good part about Israel and the entire Saudi ruling family being wiped off the face of the earth.

  301. @RobinG

    >>your theory cannot explain one fact…
    >Well, I didn’t say my theory, so you must be guessing.

    Here are the facts:
    1) I said” the syrian war is about pipeline”
    2) Sam J said “The above quote I think is a farce put out by the Jews.” (com. 281)
    3) then you jump on the train and say “Agreed that this is a farce.” (com. 294)

    Were you not agreeing with SamJ, that the Syrian war was a Jew’s matter? Was-it not your theory?
    Anyway…
    I took the time to show that my theory delivered an explanation for Qatar shifting side.
    Whatever your very private theory was, you should have delivered something serious, instead of playing with words. Do you believe that a little bit of honesty would harm your selfpride?
    Did you know it would have not harmed your reputation?

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  302. @Parisian Guy

    I’m a former libertarian who now tries to be practical rather than overly ideological, though my strong preference is for as much as possible to be done and decided by the states rather than the fed gov.

    Completely agree with your prediction in the last paragraph. Wish I didn’t. Then we’d have to TAKE their freaking oil and natural gas and imprison the traitor owners.

  303. @alexander

    What you have in mind, Alexander is the old “Peace Officer” who became obsolete following the commencement of LBJ’s, War on Drugs in the late 1960s.

  304. @Wally

    Corporate farming ain’t profitable either, but farming continues as a result of being subsidized by US taxpayers in the form of Farm Bills.

  305. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…Here in france same hypothesis around South Chile and Argentina (Patagonia) instead of Ukraine…”

    Yes they are also in South Chile and Argentina (Patagonia) but they haven’t taken over the country like Ukraine. The guy running the Ukraine was at one time a billionaire Jew from Switzerland.

  306. Sam J. says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    That’s a good article. Here’s one that’s not so long focused on just the Japanese. If you look closely at the Japanese political and economic system I see it as exactly like the Nazis.

    Japan, Refutation of Neoliberalism by Robert Locke

    http://www.paecon.net/PAEReview/issue23/Locke23.htm

  307. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I’ve seen videos where a large mass of apartment buildings were uninhabited for years and were falling apart even thought they were only a few years old. It was by the guys that ride motorcycles around China and comment on China. The nationalist have run them off though. I don’t think they stay in China anymore. Now they may be CIA plants but they did show a vast amount of finished buildings and they didn’t seem inhabited to me.

    Ok I looked it up here’s the video

    This was supposedly down the road from where they lived so they saw it built(three years ago). Once again it may be bullshit but it doesn’t seem to be.

  308. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…His idea is that at the highest level the Left Wing and Right wing of the syndicate have some kinf of coordination….”

    I don’t believe this. It’s the Jews and the goy that they work with. It may very well be that the whole lot are psychopaths. Other people say the same as you but where are the “syndicates” radio stations, TV stations, magazines, newspapers, it’s just about all Jews. Are there goys who work with them yes, yes, yes but the Jews set the agenda.

    Maybe I’m wrong but this is what I see. I don’t see any other group getting whatever they want.

    I suspect that the people at the top that are not Jews have been blackmailed and by being, one of the guys the Jews have info on, they promote them up the ladder. They’ve been at this for many, many decades and they have corrupt people that are controlled all throughout the US and Europe.

    It is possible to throw these Jews out. Germany was even more pozzed than the US is now and they, almost, got rid of them. It was very close. The circumstances are different now and the Jews have no leverage with China and I can’t see Europe declaring war on the US. There’s no one they can leverage to destroy the US. The US is certainly not going to attack Poland and if we had someone savvy in office to throw the Jews out he could easily avoid a massive war.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  309. Junior says:
    @By-tor

    Well Junior, how did the population of China increase by 77% over this same time period?

    What time period are you referring to? I hope that you’re not implying that the population of China increased 77% from 1958-1962 during the time of Mao’s “Great Leap Forward”, but perhaps you’re referring to the time period after Mao was removed from power in disgrace admitting that his policies were a failure.

    I am not a Maoist, but you are just parroting US propaganda. Because of the policies of Khruschev and disagreements with the USSR, Mao advocated opening up to the US as a way to continue self-sufficiency and mechanization- hence the meeting with Nixon.

    Ok, so it was the fault of the U.S., Canada, and now the USSR also. Anyone else you want to blame except for the person responsible for the disastrous policies? You may not be a Maoist but you are certainly coming off as a Mao apologist.

    That’s great that you question narratives given to you but what you have to understand is that Mao was a murderous idiot who thought that he could industrialize a nation using backyard furnaces in which his people melted down all their pots, pans, and tools. And even after finally learning that the kind of steel that he needed could only be produced in factories, the idiot forced his people to continue making the useless slag because he didn’t want to dishearten the people by letting them know that they were being led by a moron who put Party image(himself) above all else.

    You are passing off emotional assertions as fact. China was prevented from buying grain and finished goods by the US and UK embargoes. Because China’s modernization depended upon its ability to feed itself, it’s overall exports were meager and that low cash flow also limited its imports from Europe. That is undeniable.

    What is undeniable is that while the Chinese people were starving to death, Mao continued to export grain because saving face and trying to convince the world that Communism works is more important to Communists than the lives of the people that they claim to be empowering.

    • Replies: @By-tor
  310. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…Were you not agreeing with SamJ, that the Syrian war was a Jew’s matter?…”

    Look let’s be practical about the war in Syria. Let’s see what we can see on the face of things and reason from that. That the face of things could be a lie doesn’t change the large scale events we can see.

    The Jews wrote a position paper that they needed to attack and discombobulate all the countries around them so that they would not have a strong leaders and they could play factions off of each other.

    9-11, an obvious Jew hit, happens and every thing they said in the paper is being pushed. Some wins, some failures.

    The other alternative for the war in Syria is some pipeline that I and anyone reasonable can see could be routed around Syria. I know they have a Saudi to Egypt pipeline now. I’ve also looked at the depth of the Med. and correlated it with existing pipelines and there’s no reason one can’t be built. Wars are expensive and business likes a sure thing with known cost much more than a war to run a pipeline. Who can plan around a war just to build a pipeline? No one. The idea is stupid on the face of things.

    I say the Jews did Syria to play off the various tribal groups in Syria off against each other. I mean it’s obvious they are fighting. It’s the least complicated answer that fits.

  311. Jeff Kemp says:

    Goldman Sachs has projected a feasible, possible $1,000 a barrel a few weeks after the Strait of Hormuz being shut down. This figure, times 100 million barrels of oil produced per day, leads us to 45% of the $80 trillion global GDP. It’s self-evident the world economy would collapse based on just that alone.

    Right on bro Pepe, and for the above reason only there will be no war with Iran, ever!

    Though this place is crawling with war mongers, who will be happy if the war with Iran starts. The doves are war mongers, like Pepe pushing for war with Iran so the world will come to an end. Nothing will make them more happier until the USA is destroyed. But they forget that from these ashes will rise another imperial power and then bitching will go on again. Both sides are selling war.

    Even Israel doesn’t want USA to start a war with Iran, as they know they will be obliterated from the face of earth. Israel only wants Iran to be in a corner, surrounded by wolves.

    The following video is for sheep who believe in the following bullshit:

    Imagine a four star retired general, who most probably till today has the highest level of security clearance visits the Sec. of Defense, 10 days later after 9/11. After the visit he goes downstairs and a general on the central staff tells him some disturbing news. He visit the same general shortly thereafter who shows him a “highly confidential” memo for central staff. General Clark leaks the memo, and nothing happens to him and the other general under Bush and Obama and now under Trump.

    If you believe the bullshit in the video, I have some very prime land in Miami to sell you.

    • Replies: @KA
    , @Robjil
  312. Jeff Kemp says:

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Russia-interferes-with-Israeli-air-navigation-amid-historic-trilateral-Army-Radio-593849

    Senior Israel officials believe Russia has been disrupting civilian aircraft navigation systems for the past three week, according to reports released Thursday morning. Army Radio called the move a “hostile attack.”

    Israel Airports Authority announced Wednesday that pilots were having difficulty landing, experiencing mysterious disruptions. To resolve the issue, Israel has sent a defense official to Russia to discuss the disruption, Army Radio reported.
    Russia has denied the report.

    “The IDF is constantly working to preserve the freedom of action and operational supremacy in the spectrum,” the IDF said in a statement.

  313. Jeff Kemp says:

    https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Hezbollah-sees-US-war-on-Iran-as-unlikely-report-593856

    BEIRUT – The Iran-backed Lebanese Shi’ite group Hezbollah believes a U.S. war on Iran is unlikely for reasons including Iran’s strong defensive capabilities, Hezbollah’s deputy leader said in an interview published on Thursday.

    Sheik Naim Qassem told Lebanon’s al-Joumhouria newspaper U.S. President Donald Trump “does not need war.””He does not benefit from a war that he can start but whose results he cannot control and which might begin with Iran but may be accompanied by the region being set on fire,” he said.

  314. KA says:
    @Jeff Kemp

    Well I walked out of there pretty upset and then we attacked Afghanistan. I was pretty happy about that, we should have. And then I came back to the Pentagon about six weeks later, I saw the same officer, I said why why haven’t we attacked Iraq”

    Yes , you see the same officer and not someone else to confirm discuss or remove the doubt or have extra latest information.

    “Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran” – was it his telepathy from heaven? Was it a clairvoyance?

    Was he misquoting the beleaguered cornered and ridiculed ( by 2007) Wolofwitz? – ,” Paul Wolfowitz.. but in 1991 he was the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy,

    And I had gone to see him when I was a one star general, Scooter Libby came to the door, I met Scooter for the first time and he brought me in and I said to Paul and this is 1991, I said Mr. Secretary you must be pretty happy with the performance of the troops in Desert Storm.

    And he said, but one thing we did learn, he said, we learned that we can use our military in the region in the Middle East and the Soviets won’t stop us. He said, and we have got about five or ten years to clean up those all Soviet client regimes; Syria, Iran, Iraq, – before the next great super power comes on to challenge us…. It was a pretty stunning thing”— General Wesley Clark at the Commonwealth Club in 2007, https://mondoweiss.net/2012/01/clark-there-was-no-national-debate-over-the-policy-coup-by-the-hardnosed

    Seizing Saudi oil field or Iranian oil field was the concept that was in common currency among the hawks in 70s

    Luttwalk publicly urged this in a coming in Washington Post in 1979

    Wolfowitz just got more crazy demonic and anti American in spirit .

  315. denk says:
    @Sbaker

    Such is the path of the most pathetic.

    Trump+Bolton+Mccain [burn in hell]+Pompeo+Pence…..reeks of a
    shit hole.

    YOu think that’s something to be envied of eh?
    What a silly ass. !

  316. denk says:

    Sam J, Caroll Price

    IM not convinced

    If you haven seen enough my country right or wrong rednecks , there’r more in the UIghurs
    thread…..still tip of an iceberg,

  317. Robjil says:
    @Jeff Kemp

    Seven to destroy is from Deut.7.1-2. Destroy for who? Yahweh’s Israel. That is what Wesley is saying. It has come to past for six of the ones he mentioned.

    Iraq war- started on Purim 2003

    8 years- number 8 completion in Jewish numerology

    Libya war- started on Purim 2011

    8 years

    Iran – 2019? Maybe too big to attack. The nine eleven game can’t be completed.
    Purim day 2019- Israel gets the gift of Golan Heights from its colony, US. So Israel got something this year.

    Others who were destroyed.

    Sudan – divided in two. Sudan and South Sudan. on 9th day of 7th month of 2011 independence of South Sudan

    Lebanon – attacked by Israel – 7/12- 8/14 2006

    Somalia – 2004-07 US supports warlords that wreck havoc on the nation

    This all leaves Iran as the last not yet destroyed by US or Israel. Iran is too big. I think US and Israel have to give on their destruction game.

  318. @Sam J.

    Hum… Looks like there is misunderstanding about this syndicate that we were speeaking about. It’s probably because you took the thread on its course.
    I guess you’ll find interesting things if you go upstream this exchange that I got with MikeP.

  319. @Sam J.

    The other alternative for the war in Syria is some pipeline that I and anyone reasonable can see could be routed around Syria. I know they have a Saudi to Egypt pipeline now. I’ve also looked at the depth of the Med. and correlated it with existing pipelines and there’s no reason one can’t be built. Wars are expensive and business likes a sure thing with known cost much more than a war to run a pipeline. Who can plan around a war just to build a pipeline? No one. The idea is stupid on the face of things.

    Did not I already answered that point? I already did!

    You also may technically build to planet mars. But the technical question is not relevant. What is relevant is the expected profit. It will be negative if the Russian Syrian Iranian pipeline is build. You have to admit this hard fact.

    About “a war for a pipeline”. Yes it happens if the cost of war are OK compared to the pipeline profit. Furthermore costs are paid by the taxpayer. It’s another pocket which is concerned about the profits. Same for the human lives , those who die are not the oil corporates.

    May be you underestimate the value of a pipeline for natural gaz. Actually it has as much value as the gaz field, because a gaz field has no use without the pipeline. LNG is too expensive.

    Then, you can say that Israël helped by whatever means for the war to happen; It is very plausible. But it would not have happened without the pipeline.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  320. @RobinG

    Been banned from Philip Giraldi’s articles, so I am posting my response here.
    I guess I must have gotten to him.

    Robin here is the link to the article. Are you saying it is not true, every Jew in the universe remembers thinks it is. I can remember vividly one of the leaders having a Holocaust denial day where there was a cartoon contest. David Duke and NOI were invited. It was grotesque.
    A leader of a major country holds a cartoon contest on the Holocaust. They have said point blank quotes. During Al Quds day IRG routinely puts a message in Hebrew saying where the missile is headed on their war heads. Who does shit like that?
    The new Amalikites.
    http://www.thetower.org/article/global-anti-semitism-now-has-a-leader/

  321. KA says:
    @peterAUS

    “Trump To Unleash Hell On Europe: EU Announces Channel To Circumvent SWIFT And Iran Sanctions Is Now Operational”
    Zero hedge

    This will do .

  322. anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Those do who have seen the torture of SAVAK ,who have hard the screams of SAVAK. They do those shit.
    SAVAK was made into a pit bull by the Zionist.
    Those who have survived Sabra Shatila , do
    Those who have seen town and cities destroyed ( Lebanon) they do.
    Those who have good memory and know how scientists have been assassinated. how children have died,how lies about Nuckear material been spread – they do those shit.
    Those who remember how Golan was occupied , those who know how S Lebanon was occupied – they do those shit in Hebarooooo language .

    Now what connect Lebanese Syrian Iranian ??
    Same stuff that connect Jews of US, Hondurus, France, Germany and Israel.

  323. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “Israeli snipers had massacred more than 60 unarmed Palestinian protesters on a single day during the Great March of Return protests, injuring thousands more.

    Ben Yosef advocated for “inserting ourselves” into online discussions, because readers nowadays see the comments section under articles published by websites as part of the story.” Electronic Intifada

    Israeli are now occupying Facebook and Twitter
    They have honed the skills at DC and in the city of London

    These Palestinian will also say the shit— death to the human excitement

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  324. RobinG says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Just noticed this, & no time to read now, but saw this quote …

    Israel is a malignant cancer gland that needs to be uprooted. In contrast to what shallow people believe, it is not impossible to defeat Israel and the United States. Superpowers have come and gone throughout history. Materialistic powers are neither everlasting nor infinite. Yesterday, there was a power called the Soviet Union. It was one of the superpowers, but it no longer exists. A similar historical contemporary [sic] change is still before us.

    This is the famous quote, often attributed to Ahmadinejad, but of course he was quoting Khomeini, who went on to say that similarly (to the USSR) the state of Israel would one day vanish from the map. Well, that’s altogether likely, and it can be entirely peaceful. That the resulting single democratic state will be called Israel seems doubtful, but who knows, maybe a hyphenated name, or maybe The Holy Land again.

    You’re upset because you equate Israel with Judaism, I guess. If Phil has blocked you for posting too much, too repetitive, etc., that’s his call. As for your interlocutors, some guy (much hated here, lol) points out that Ron is a genius to keep the racists and anti-semites corralled in obscure internet forums. It certainly seems like they’ve given up on doing anything in real life, and they try to discourage anyone else from even voting, as if that were significant citizen action. Go figure. Anyway, that film, Defamation, was mostly filmed in NYC and Israel. You may recognize some friends.

  325. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…What is relevant is the expected profit. It will be negative if the Russian Syrian Iranian pipeline is build. You have to admit this hard fact…”

    It is not a fact and I do not agree at all. I suspect you are another of those that wish to confuse people with nonsense.

    Pipeline or no pipeline I suspect the best thing we can possibly do in all our countries is get rid of the Jews and we will not have all these problems nor have to guess what sort of demented psychopathic plan they are implementing.

  326. @Sam J.

    Wars are expensive and business likes a sure thing with known cost much more than a war to run a pipeline. Who can plan around a war just to build a pipeline? No one. The idea is stupid on the face of things.

    In the years immediately after WWII ARAMCO wanted to build a pipeline and the best route was through Syria (Israel was rejected as “too unstable”), but Syrian government demanded higher fees and concessions than ARAMCO was willing — or felt compelled– to give.
    So a war was started in Syria.

    In Time Before Zuckerberg (BZ), the world wide web hosted a history of ARAMCO written by those who were involved, that unabashedly narrated the war initiated in Syria to force concessions on the Syria route. Not only has that history been sanitized from WWW, it is not even mentioned in several online Timelines of Syria history.

    Copy-and-paste freak that I am, a copy of the ARAMCO history exists in my files. (Somewhere.)
    There must be books that record that war. (There is still a place in the universe for those of us who worship in libraries, and who even prefer the old liturgy of card catalogues that smell of Library and have dozens of drawers.)

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  327. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    During Al Quds day IRG routinely puts a message in Hebrew saying where the missile is headed on their war heads. Who does shit like that?

    Who? Jews!

  328. @Fran Taubman

    Who does shit like that?

    Israeli schoolgirls.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/Dhvn

    As for the Iranian holocaust cartoon contest, LOL LOL LOL
    But seriously folks — what is more cartoonish than the zionist falsification of the real facts of the wars devised by Churchill, FDR, and zionists, with the intent to destroy Germany?

  329. Anastasia says:

    Nothing is going to happen until Trump is re-elected. Democrats by their wholly irrational behavior are insuring his re-election. My only question is whether the democrats are acting deliberately to accomplish that. I truly suspect they are.

  330. Sam J. says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “…In the years immediately after WWII ARAMCO wanted to build a pipeline and the best route was through Syria (Israel was rejected as “too unstable”), but Syrian government demanded higher fees and concessions than ARAMCO was willing — or felt compelled– to give.
    So a war was started in Syria…”

    The Jews must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for Hasbara.

    Look at the map.

    The distance to travel from Arabia to Egypt compared to Arabia to Syria is farther. Politically it’s much easier to go through Egypt. If you go through Syria you have to go through more countries. Means more trouble. Egypt will always be more accommodating.

    Other excuses are not sensical either as I have already checked the depth of the crossing, proposed future pipelines, etc and they all show that one can be laid across the relevant area.

    Anyone who says the war is about a pipeline babbling nonsensical stuff. This is very fortunate because if they say such obvious bullshit about this issue you can be guaranteed that they are spouting nonsense in most everything they say.

    The Jews did 9-11 and Syria.

    The most important thing we can do for peace is to get rid of the Jews.

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  331. @anon

    Don’t send your kids to the border where there is snipper fire, how stupid are Arabs.

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  332. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Don’t send your kids to the border where there is snipper [sic] fire, [sic] how [sic] stupid are Arabs. [sic]

    Only a Jew could claim that stupidity justifies murder of children for sport.

    Only a Jew could sexualize the murder of children.

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  333. @Al Liguori

    Ron Al Liguori has posted this exact set of memes like 5 times. I mean the same. They had nothing to the conversation. Nothing. They are pernicious and disgusting. Posting once is okay, put the same 5 times. Can you stop this? It is a form of harassment. I am engaged in honest discussions with people.

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  334. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Chabad Fran, Here’s a new meme for you to complain about:

  335. By-tor says:
    @Junior

    You do not show any sources. The US through the CIA and Hollywood are known to have fabricated historical narratives. Murderous idiot? Mao certainly defeated the USA’s inept idiot Generalissimo Chiang ki-Shek.

  336. @Sam J.

    That’s a first — I’ve been called an antisemite plenty of times but never an hasbarat.

    The “immediate post-WWII” history of ARAMCO referenced has less to do with Jooz and everything to do with the actual things done by the American companies associated with Saudi Arabia to create TAPLINE. (It’s not likely that Egypt was stable at that time; Nasser was popular as an opposition force to intruding zionists).

    This encyclopedia of the Modern Middle East, a Gale Group publication, might be dominated by jooz, one never nose about those wily jooz, but what it reports on TAPLINE affirms what I recall having learned years ago from an extensive on-line memoir of the construction of TAPLINE:

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/trans-arabian-pipeline

    “As originally conceived during World War II, the line was to follow a great circular route running northwest through Saudi Arabia and Jordan, which would have located the Mediterranean terminus at Haifa, then part of the British Mandate of Palestine. The post-war conflict over the disposition of Palestine ended in the Arab–Israel War (1948) that put Haifa in the new state of Israel. Tapline’s route, more than 1,000 miles long, was altered to run through Syria and site its western terminus a few miles south of Sidon, Lebanon.”

    A few years after ARAMCOs origination, Jews in newly-zionized Palestine created a relationship with Iran to ship Iranian oil to Israeli pipelines (purloined from Italy) at Eilat, whence Israelis took for their use and also for sale to Europe.

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    , @Sam J.
  337. @SolontoCroesus

    Does everybody here understands that this pipeline in not about oil, but natural gaz?

    Thus,
    1) it starts from the South Par/North Dome field, which is located betwwen Qatar and Iran
    2) it doesn’t goes to a tanker terminal but in Europe

    But,
    Here is a burden that weighs on goodwill. One very young American, who believes he’s a genius who knows better, because he can read a map of Middle East. He just doesn’t understand that only beginners need a map to think about ME countries. The same, who obviously never got one hour of teaching in economics, believes that there could be two competing pipelines, and nevertheless the less efficient (maghreb) pipeline could be profitable. The most ridiculous is not his illiteracy (nobody can know everything) but his hollow pretention to understanding better, when actually he’s neither able, neither wanting, to understand the extent of its illiteracy.

    Needless to say, such a psychological profile is bound to need a scapegoat when his enterprise will have failed. That’s why he sees a hasbarat right now.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  338. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…The same, who obviously never got one hour of teaching in economics, believes that there could be two competing pipelines, and nevertheless the less efficient (maghreb) pipeline could be profitable. The most ridiculous is not his illiteracy (nobody can know everything) but his hollow pretention to understanding better, when actually he’s neither able, neither wanting, to understand the extent of its illiteracy…”

    The reason you’re calling me names is your ideas are weak and without substance. If there was any substance then you would use supporting facts not lies and name calling.

    Here’s another map of gas pipelines.You pretending I don’t know the difference is bogus and another straw Man you prop up. Typical Jew lying tactic.

    You’re full of it and all you wish to do is spread lies and confusion.

    Anyone with a lick of sense will come to the conclusion that running a gas pipeline through a friendly territory or undersea is much cheaper and financially safer than running it through a country in the middle of or just ending a civil war where anyone can blow the pipeline up. How profitable is a pipeline that is blown up????

    This is just another reason why we should get rid of the Jews. Constant lies and distortions of the truth.

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  339. Sam J. says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “immediate post-WWII” history

    This is not relevant. It’s not “immediate post WWII”. Things have changed.

    Even your own links talk about relocating pipelines away from Israel and other countries where there were attacks on the pipelines.

    Going through one country, Egypt, and the rest underwater is safer and less politically unstable.

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  340. @Sam J.

    Typical Jew lying tactic.

    Here is a strong clue of your paranoia. You could not even imagine that someone could disagree without being jew.

    Furthermore, you perfectly illustrate the economic illiteracy which is yours, since you were not even able to see that you were giving me one more arguments with your map.

    Had you been a little less megalomaniac (like most of paranoiacs), you would have been a little more cautious.

    Your map show that any undersea pipeline is connected to a oil/gaz field. There is not one pipeline build for the sole purpose of linking ME to Europe.
    This simple fact annihilate your illiterate paradigm according about the economic benefit of such ME/Europe undersea link.
    What is at stake here, is not to extract something from the Medditeranean sea. It is to get the SoutParrs gaz to Europe. The terrestrial link through Syria has a comparative advantage (I guess you don’t understand what it is) against any other alternative. Furthermore, the economics of pipeline is such that the comparative advantage of Syrian pipeline will make any alternative pipeline a money-losing business;

    I remembers having already explained all this point to you. Such a misunderstood genius you are, you were only able to comment it as “non-sense”.

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  341. @Sam J.

    If you had been a little less illiterate about real-life in Europe and ME, you would have known that the project to link South-Paars to Europe has been active since around 2005.

    Iran and Qatar want to export, Europe wants to buy that natural gaz. How is it that you are such a genius that you found out the technical solution which nobody had thought about?

    It’s getting ridiculous. Your kind of people are a heavy burden for decent and smart others. So here I’ll stop.

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  342. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…Typical Jew lying tactic…”

    “…Here is a strong clue of your paranoia. You could not even imagine that someone could disagree without being jew…”

    Actually this shows YOUR paranoia because anyone can use a “Typical Jew lying tactic”. That you immediately assume it means, Jew, shows…you…

    “…What is at stake here, is not to extract something from the Medditeranean sea. It is to get the SoutParrs gaz to Europe…”

    Ohhhh…bless your heart. You somehow think that only you know what the whole point of the pipeline is. Aren’t you special. Of course if it’s not just your foolishness then in reality this is just another weak tactic to pretend that somehow you have some superior knowledge that all the rest of us can’t see.

    Anyone can see that these proposed pipelines show that it’s perfectly feasible to build pipelines at LOTS of other places besides Syria. It also completely destroys your, “the only profitable pipeline is one on the straight line” theory.

    You of course completely skip over the idea that blown up pipelines are a problem, because it makes you look like a fool. Here’s a link with lots of data on various pipelines where they note,

    “…The Egyptian pipeline carrying natural gas to Israel and Jordan, has been attacked 15 times since the start of the uprising in early 2011 and 21 July 2012. On November 13, Jordan Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour said that “In the past 18 months of the Arab Spring, Jordan has lost between $4-5 billion at least as a result of oil stoppage, especially the Egyptian gas supplies”. ..”

    In your, demented mind, this means nothing as the only variable in your “economics of pipelines” is that it go from point A to point B in the straightest line. Talk about economically illiterate, they should make some sort of dolts prize for you. HAHAHA

    https://nealrauhauser.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/eastern-mediterranean-gas-fields-pipelines/

    The fact is that the Jews, combined with the Saudis [who may very well be Jews], combined to stop the pipeline through Syria and to fragment Syria, [Jew plan]. So the whole problem is political and territorial and has nothing to do with the cheapest built pipeline, which you seem to be obsessed with.

    Some more maps so people will see that you’re speaking with forked tongue about Syria being the only place to build a pipeline.

    The gas field you referenced.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons
    /a/ae/CIAIranKarteOelGas.jpg

    other links purposed. All have political problems related to the US sanctions placed by the US’s Jewish controllers.

    [Persian Pipeline], “…abandoned after the Swiss energy company Elektrizitätsgesellschaft Laufenburg halted its contract with Iran in October 2010 in the face of pressure over U.S. sanctions against Iran…”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Pipeline

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline

    The idea that the sole reason for the Syrian war is to build a pipeline has been thoroughly shown to be false if you read the comments I made and your dullard comments to prove different. This is of course how this all started with you defending that idea. All the rest of your comments were to derail the whole point made in the first place or to confuse the issue all together so that people would forget that the problem is the Jews. The Jews are the problem. Not the pipeline, not the gas in the Med., no the problem is the Jews.

    This is why we should get rid of the Jews. They cause immense problems and mass deaths everywhere they go. It seems the only way to deal with them that has been tested and has worked 100% is to get rid of them. Peacefully if we can get it but they must go no matter what in order to have a peaceful country.

    As for my paranoia I know, as well as many others here, that on 9-11 building 7 fell the exact same speed as a rock dropped in air. Since gravity acts the same on both it means the resistance to building 7 falling was the same as the rock. Namely AIR. Well we all know the building wasn’t floating in the air. We all know the fires, 3 or 4 floors worth, were not big enough to boil away the structure to where it’s density was the same as air. The only explanation is that building 7 was demoed in some way to remove all support for over 10 stories of the structure, at a minimum, all within milliseconds. We know fire didn’t do that.

    It’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

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  343. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…So here I’ll stop…”

    I bet you will. Every time you peck your little stubby fat fingers on the keyboard you’re shown to be duller and duller. All your points are ashes and paradigms of stupidity.

    All this effort to hide that the Jews are the problem and not some stupid pipeline across Syria have been illuminated as false. You would have been better off to not comment at all because now people believe you’re not only a liar but a moron who can’t reason his was out of a paper bag.

  344. @Sam J.

    just another weak tactic to pretend that somehow you have some superior knowledge that all the rest of us can’t see.
    No superior knowledge. It is common and basic knowledge. The difference between you and me is caused by your inferior knowledge. “comparative advantage” is teached during the first semester of college in any relevant cursus. Some part of “the rest of us” in this venue knows about it. People who did not manage to get at least this first level of proficiency in economics matter, should just shut up. Economics is tricky, there is no useful place for illiterates in the debate.

    Anyone can see that these proposed pipelines show that it’s perfectly feasible to build pipelines at LOTS of other places besides Syria. It also completely destroys your, “the only profitable pipeline is one on the straight line” theory.
    You still are not able to correctly understand what I already said twice. Listen to me now:
    When several pipeline roads are competing, the only profitable is the most efficient one. It does not matter if it goes straight or not. What matters for the investor is that there should not be a more efficient competitor.
    So your proposed pipelines which do not go through Syria are only propositions. They doesn’t imply they are profitable in any case. They can be profitable only if more efficient alternative projects are impossible or destroyed. Therefore the war

    “…The Egyptian pipeline carrying natural gas to Israel and Jordan, has been attacked 15 times since the start of the uprising in early 2011 and 21 July 2012. On November 13, Jordan Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour said that “In the past 18 months of the Arab Spring, Jordan has lost between $4-5 billion at least as a result of oil stoppage, especially the Egyptian gas supplies”. ..”

    Oh Thanks for the quote. As usual, I just push you to give real-life arguments, and your answer supports my point.
    These attacks were mainly on the Egyptian territory. It was a way of warfare for the waring factions in Egypt. At first, because the Mubarak family had some stake in it. Or may be you will pretend that the attackers were masochistic Jordanians. Or invisible jihadists in Jordania? Or Israelis, Mmm ah! oh yes! jews! Anyway you just demonstrates that the road in Egypt is not the safe one that you previously told. Thanks, you are a good boy.

    https://nealrauhauser.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/eastern-mediterranean-gas-fields-pipelines/
    Nice link. It shows that this undersea pipeleine project appears in 2013. That is nobody found such a project profitable before Syria was destroyed and the Syrian pipeline becoming unrealistic. One more time, you strongly support my point. Good boy you are. Take a candy.

    The fact is that the Jews, combined with the Saudis [who may very well be Jews], combined to stop the pipeline through Syria […]
    You are hallucinating, there is no fact here. Just your unsubstantiated assertion. Beware to psychosis!!

    Some more maps so people will see that you’re speaking with forked tongue about Syria being the only place to build a pipeline.
    Are you so dumb, or just pretending to be? The technical feasability is not the core of the question. The problem was about what pipeline each party wanted to build, and what pipeline it wanted to block. The syrian way is the most efficient. Alternatives way required to destroy the Syrian project to be profitable.

    The gas field you referenced.other links purposed. All have political problems related to the US sanctions placed by the US’s Jewish controllers.
    [Persian Pipeline], “…abandoned after the Swiss energy company Elektrizitätsgesellschaft Laufenburg halted its contract with Iran in October 2010 in the face of pressure over U.S. sanctions against Iran…”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Pipeline

    Thanks for your link, good boy you are. This was not so much an alternative, in real-life. As your link say, not only US did not wanted it, but Russia supported it. That’s why we Europeans did not wanted it so much. How is it that the US pressure was just one year before the Civil War. How do you explain the concommitance?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline
    Hah! Here we only begin to get in the real thing. How is it that this pipeline was just near the beginning of building, when the Civil War started? How do you explain the concommitance?

    Furthermore, you obviously forgot to speak about the actually relevant pipeline. You knew about it, since the link was clearly in the wiki page of the Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline you just referenced. What a dishonest boy you are!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar%E2%80%93Turkey_pipeline
    It’s almost the same than above, going through Syria, but it starts from Qatar instead of Iran. This one was the preferred project by Europeans. Just by looking to the bibliography, you see that this project was dicussed for 2 years just before the civil War. How do you explain the concommitance?

    By the way, if, according to you, it’s the fault of Jews when US meddle in the pipelines going from ME to Europa, you must obviously make the same prosecution when US try anything it could to block the NordStream2 pipeline through the Baltic Sea. Correct?

    How is it that each country which had a stake in one or several of these competing projects, has been involved in the war?
    How is it that no other country (uninvolved in pipeline project) messed in Syria?

    Also please, I love your science-fiction novels so much. tell me about how Israel commanded Qatar and Turkey to get involved? Is Erdogan also a crypto-Jew? Is the Qatar Emir a crypto-Jew?

    What the WTC7 fall speed problem demonstrate about Jews? Hooo I see, Isaac Newton was a crypto-Jew! And for the Titanic, it was the fault of Iceberg. Still and again, a Jew!

    You simply are a pathological Jew hater. If not, then you should think about the consequences of your stubbornness. Here is what I recently said in another thread:
    “I believe that thinking of zionism as the universal cause is a mistake whose consequences are really bad:
    -fighting only zionism is useless. It only gives a biggest share of the pie to the remants of the greedy class. There will not be betterment for the common people.
    -lot of events will be mis-analyzed; This cannot have good consequences for any action.
    -it will sometimes cause the prosecution of Jewish although they were actually innocent
    -it will strongly nurtures the point often said by Zionists, ” We only are victims of scapegoating”. Every time, it will give them real-life arguments.”

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  345. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…When several pipeline roads are competing, the only profitable is the most efficient one….”

    Fail. Apparently to you the most efficient, not that you prove that it is so you just repeat it over and over, (another Jew tactic), is the pipeline through Syria in the middle of a civil war. Now you say the war is, over the pipeline. I say it’s the Jews. You talk about “comparative advantage” over and over yet don’t seem to be able to understand the meaning. Most realize that business in a war zone is NOT a “comparative advantage” .

    “…When several pipeline roads are competing, the only profitable is the most efficient one. It does not matter if it goes straight or not. What matters for the investor is that there should not be a more efficient competitor.
    So your proposed pipelines which do not go through Syria are only propositions…”

    So you are saying again that they started the war to put a pipeline through Syria. You’re an imbecile and anyone can see with the maps I posted that it’s cheaper to go around a war or not start a war at all. Your misunderstanding of “comparative advantage” again I guess.

    It becomes difficult for you to argue that the Jews are not the reason for the wars in the middle east when they put out position papers detailing the destruction of specific middle eastern countries and “shazam” the WTC complex is attacked on 9-11, in which buildings fall with NO support at all but air, then magically the exact same targets they mention in the position paper, Syria being one, are attacked.

    Your misdirection about this link

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Pipeline

    and the loses I quoted,

    “In the past 18 months of the Arab Spring, Jordan has lost between $4-5 billion at least as a result of oil stoppage, especially the Egyptian gas supplies”.

    is an absolute golden example of how Jews distort information. My point, which is easy to see, is that losses are much higher then going around the problem, Rough figures at the link for the cost of the Persian Pipeline were

    “cost of Iranian section is estimated to be around $7 billion”

    “17 compressor stations…cost of each station is expected to be around $100 million” = $1.7 billion

    “The Turkish section…cost about one billion euro” = 1.3 billion

    You can easily see the cost of the pipeline compared to the afore mentioned losses to bombings…is peanuts. That you so casually distort the truth is right out of the playbook. As I said every time you punch your chubby fingers on the keyboard you look worse and worse and your distortions become more pathetic and irrational. You wielding the term “comparative advantage” in the face of such profound innumeracy and stupidly about cost is a farce. You can’t even do proper arithmetic.

    I have shown with maps that the distance covered is not much farther going alternate routes. I have shown that a war in Syria is NOT cheaper than going around. I have shown that the costs in a war zone where the pipeline would be blown up up is too high. I have shown an rough itemized list from public sources of the cost and compared them to loses for just one small pipeline not even nearly of the volume of the gas fields of Iran, supposedly largest in the world. You have done nothing but put up a large mass of gas and smoke and proven nothing. Your good at calling people names but you have the logistical numerate skills of a retard or…more likely your just a liar and distortionist who is fundamentally dishonest.

    “…What the WTC7 fall speed problem demonstrate about Jews?…”

    They owned the building, controlled the security in the buildings after firing the previous security, controlled the security at the airport the planes left from, had (admitted) agents in place before the first tower was hit filming “the event” according to their own testimony on TV and control the reporting of all the major media that “didn’t” report on it. It says quite a bit about the Jews.

    “…You simply are a pathological Jew hater…”

    I’m in good company. Every single country where the Jews have gone in any numbers in all of the recorded history of the Jews has eventually thrown them out for exactly the same reasons that I want to throw them out. They are a parasitical race of no value to humans.

    The main thing it says is we need to get rid of the Jews. The Jews are the single largest security threat to the western world. We must get rid of them. Peacefully if we can get it but by any means necessary they must go by any means necessary and never, ever, ever, let them play any part in our Western civilization ever nor take one step on our land again for all time.

    The Jews are idiots. Tactically you’re great but strategically you’re buffoons. Your so greedy you can’t help yourselves and when you get away with abusing the population you live among a little to you it means they should be abused a lot more. Stupid people. You think you’re going to waste us away and then move to China and eat them but…I think you’ve learned that that’s not a good plan after all. The Chinese are kicking your ass and your welcome in the West is falling rapidly. So the Jews are scrambling to find somewhere, anywhere to go.

    Zionist are NOT the problem. Jews are the problem. I’m a Zionist. I want you ALL in Israel. Forever.

  346. It’s difficult to discuss with someone whose logics are failing.
    Well, some peoples cannot admit being wrong, to the point they prefer to sacrifice logic than to feel face-losing.
    Thus, your reasonning is definitely unclear.

    You are reasonning as if I have said that the warmongers project was to build the pipeline through Civil war in Syria. Can you understand that their idea was a little less dumb than what you are only able to think.
    Anybody with some brain understands that the project was, depending of the party involved:
    – either to make an Arab Spring, as short than in Tunisia, then put a pupett government in Syria, and build the pipeline in a peaceful Syria. The cost of what really happened in Syria is simply not relevant here.
    – either to have Syria in perpetuals trouble, thanks to ISIS, which makes the pipeline undoable, and therefore alternative route can be profitable (for instance Saudiland +Israel + undersea)
    – either to have no pipeline at all (which I suspect was the US goal, same than Nordstream2 problem).

    I guess you only watched what happened in syria for the last few months. You don’t know the history.
    Pathological Jews haters have a common trait: they ignore a lot of things (but about problems with Jews).

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  347. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…It’s difficult to discuss with someone whose logics are failing…”

    Yes it is as you have none. The basic reason for this is you are spouting a bunch of lies and distortions of the truth and consequently you are being caught in these lies and distortions.

    “…You are reasonning as if I have said that the warmongers project was to build the pipeline through Civil war in Syria. Can you understand that their idea was a little less dumb than what you are only able to think.
    Anybody with some brain understands that the project was, depending of the party involved:…”

    You attempted to make the reason for the civil war a pipeline instead of planned malevolence on the Part of the Israelis to destroy Syria, kill Assad and create disunity in the country. You failed. Now you’re trying to back up and attack from a different angle. Which will fail also.

    “…– either to make an Arab Spring, as short than in Tunisia, then put a pupett government in Syria…”

    This is of course a lie. Anyone could see after Iraq and Libya that anyone in the way of the Israelis would be massacred. Anyone who would think there would only be a little “Arab Spring” after all this would have to be retarded. Assad had only to open his eyes to see they were coming for him. The Jews planned maximum damage to the societies of all the countries they targeted. That’s just normal Jewish behavior to destroy as much of everything around them as they can. Now I don’t believe the Jews are all powerful mental giants, you’re a fine example, but they’re not total retards either. They knew good and well there wasn’t going to be some little “Arab Spring”. So your next devious distortion and perversion of the truth story also falls to dust.

    “…The cost of what really happened in Syria is simply not relevant here…”

    Oh so you’re abandoning your “comparative advantage” tactic. I guess it no longer made sense as…it didn’t make sense the first time you said it though you repeated it often.

    “…You don’t know the history….”

    I know the Jews have been thrown out of every single country they’ve gone to in any numbers for thousands of years. Namely because they are a parasitical, greedy, psychopathic people with no sense of justice (for real humans) and no empathy for anyone. This behavior of course leads to them being thrown out again and gain and again and…well you get the idea.

    Here’s a good idea why don’t the Jews stop being so evil. Stop parasiting off of everyone. Get a real job. (Not that I would ever believe them if they said they had done so. They would of course be lying and planning their next parasitical attack on…whoever).

  348. Like I predicted in the beginning of my previous post, you went in state of full denial of reality. Since the prediction was verified, it validates also the cause I explained: you feels losing face and you are not the kind who can sustain it.

    Here is the demonstration of your narcissistic self-deluding management of your pain:

    1) You pretends that you won:
    “you are being caught in these lies and distortions.”
    “You attempted to make the reason for[….]. You failed. “

    2) The reality is that every questions I asked found you being impotent. You answered none. Here they are:
    -How is it that the US pressure [about pipeline] was just one year before the Civil War. How do you explain the concommitance?
    – How is it that this pipeline [Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline]was just near the beginning of building, when the Civil War started? How do you explain the concommitance?
    – you see that this project [Qatar_Turkey_pipeline] was dicussed for 2 years just before the civil War. How do you explain the concommitance?
    – if, according to you, it’s the fault of Jews when US meddle in the pipelines going from ME to Europa, you must obviously make the same prosecution when US try anything it could to block the NordStream2 pipeline through the Baltic Sea. Correct?
    –How is it that each country which had a stake in one or several of these competing projects, has been involved in the war?
    –How is it that no other country (uninvolved in pipeline project) messed in Syria?
    –tell me about how Israel commanded Qatar and Turkey to get involved? Is Erdogan also a crypto-Jew? Is the Qatar Emir a crypto-Jew?

    3) Then, because you were naked, completely unable to answer whatever, you changed for a new reasoning, comparing the cost of war and the cost of pipeline. I adapted, and I kindly took the effort to explain you that you were using comparative advantage in an misundestood way.
    Of course, you took the opportunity to accuse myself of your own tactics. Here it is:
    “Now you’re trying to back up and attack from a different angle. “

    I was not trying to change my arguments, I was only adapting to your discourse which had changed because of your impotency to answer my questions. Typical reversal of the fault, very common in pathological paranoiac Jews haters.

    Here is my very last word: if you have serious source about Jewish management of WTC7, I’m interested because I never read that before.
    For anything else, you can pursue your denial of reality as much as you needs, You don’t deserve more of my time, thus I’ll not respond.

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  349. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “Now you’re trying to back up and attack from a different angle. “

    This is a large part of the problem. It’s a symptom and a tactic that Jews use to derail any form of inquiry they don’t want made public or when they are losing on the facts of any subject.

    “…Like I predicted in the beginning of my previous post, you went in state of full denial of reality. Since the prediction was verified…”

    Sigh…another and more of the same. You have proved nothing. None of the things you say are reality have you proved. You provide no evidence of proof.

    People who read what you write can easily see the difference between the style that each of us comments in. You make pronouncements backed with no evidence. You just “proclaim this and that”. There’s a fundamental disconnect between your “proclamations” and facts which you don’t provide. I at least provide some sort of factual data.

    This whole thing started when you posited that the reason for the Syrian war was so that a pipeline could driven through Syria.

    I say it’s because the Jews want to disintegrate the power structure of Syria like they did in several other countries that they put forward in a position paper. I then provided LOTS of data and links to back this up combined with simple common sense. You provided…nothing,. You have no data what so ever to prove you position. All you provide is “proclamations” and more questions that are unrelated to basic fundamental ideas being discussed.

    “Now you’re trying to back up and attack from a different angle. “

    [MORE]

    Yes you’re doing it again.

    “…2) The reality is that every questions I asked found you being impotent. You answered none. ..”

    Same old, same old. All these questions have very little to do with the premise you put forward. Why don’t YOU provide some evidence for your premise. You tried with your ever repeating propped up “comparative advantage” to back up your original “proclamations. Yet you NEVER showed any “comparative advantage”. You, once again, just prop up statements out of the firmament and say, “this is so”. I , since you’re lying and/or distorting the truth, easily find some simple financial figures that shoot down your whole premise.

    That’s where all these new questions come in. You failed so you are trying to muddy the waters with more irrelevant questions that you don’t even remotely try to even tie into the original premise.

    Why don’t you explain why all your questions have little to do with the subject that the Jews are responsible for the civil war in Syria.

    Multiply this one little discussion times the whole entire press and every single “proclamation” by the Jew media and it becomes instantly clear why people begin to hate the Jews. All should learn that there is a way to deal with the Jews that has been tried and tested 100% and has worked miracles. It has in most cases fairly quickly boosted the health, wealth and well being of any country it has been tried in. It is also a great boost to the happiness and well being especially of children. This method is to throw the Jews out. Get rid of them and allow them no more to have any control over the country or any aspect of their lives.

    You see by this duplicitous “gas lighting” technique of Parisian Guy that they will never act in good faith. I wouldn’t waste my time with them normally but sometimes it’s instructive to see their circular lies first hand and see how they constantly shift subjects. Another thing you should be on watch for for these type creatures is they are always giving you “task”. See how he asked me to provide this and that and the other while never providing himself anything but “proclamations” backed by…well nothing. When that fails they pile on the “task”, seemingly slightly related, but in actuality designed to shut down the discourse to distort it to a different direction as they see plainly that their first “proclamation” has been shot down with facts. The task and questions will frequently be so broad based as to be meaningless and if you follow them will just allow further deviation from the first principle subject “proclamation” that they failed to prove in the beginning.

    Above covers this deceptive statement,

    “…I was not trying to change my arguments, I was only adapting to your discourse which had changed because of your impotency to answer my questions…”

    See how he issues “proclamations” while abandoning his original premise?

    “…Typical reversal of the fault, very common in pathological paranoiac Jews haters…”

    Isn’t it logical to hate those who attack you? Seems reasonable to me. It’s certainly not some bizarre, odd thing. I suggest the Jews stop attacking people and then…maybe people won’t hate them or throw them out of their countries like has been done hundreds of times in the past. It’s up to them to behave like humans and not like animals.

    “…if you have serious source about Jewish management of WTC7, I’m interested because I never read that before…”

    Notice how he completely side steps the issue of building 7 falling the same speed as a rock in air with no support. He then issues “task” that he could easily do himself. A simple search would suffice. He knows the Jews bought and controlled the building so his tactic is to argue over peripheral issues.

    “…you can pursue your denial of reality as much as you needs…”

    Of course he wants to stop. He provides nothing but “proclamations” and “task”. No supporting evidence himself from the original idea, which he abandoned, as it was proven deceptive.

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  350. @Sam J.

    “…if you have serious source about Jewish management of WTC7, I’m interested because I never read that before…”

    Notice how he completely side steps the issue of building 7 falling the same speed as a rock in air with no support. He then issues “task” that he could easily do himself. A simple search would suffice. He knows the Jews bought and controlled the building so his tactic is to argue over peripheral issues.

    I know about WTC1&2. I’ve read a lot, and never found the same about WTC7. I will not spare my time more about what you said; therefore, it is up to you to bring arguments;

    If you don’t, everybody will think you were confusing WTC1&2 with WTC7 or you were bullshiting.

    You can rant as much as you love, it’s no use to pretend that I did this or I did that. Everyone with an operationnal brain (that is not you) understand your theory is annihilated because of its impotency to explain any of theses factual concommitances:

    -How is it that the US pressure [about pipeline] was just one year before the Civil War. How do you explain the concommitance?
    – How is it that this pipeline [Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline]was just near the beginning of building, when the Civil War started? How do you explain the concommitance?
    – you see that this project [Qatar_Turkey_pipeline] was dicussed for 2 years just before the civil War. How do you explain the concommitance?
    – if, according to you, it’s the fault of Jews when US meddle in the pipelines going from ME to Europa, you must obviously make the same prosecution when US try anything it could to block the NordStream2 pipeline through the Baltic Sea. Correct?
    –How is it that each country which had a stake in one or several of these competing projects, has been involved in the war?
    –How is it that no other country (uninvolved in pipeline project) messed in Syria?
    –tell me about how Israel commanded Qatar and Turkey to get involved? Is Erdogan also a crypto-Jew? Is the Qatar Emir a crypto-Jew?

    I guess you have zero proficiency in the scientific reasoning, else you would have understood your theory was annihilated as soon as you could not answer my question. To compensate this illiteracy, you believes in the autonomous power of your brain. For sure, your brain has the autistic power to delude yourself. And your first self delusion is about your smartness. In truth, your IQ has nothing exceptionnal. If you don’t believe me, you can candidate to MENSA. Can’t you?

  351. Sam J. says:

    Just for fun I’ll answer a few of these. Especially building 7 as I like to talk about it but I’ll talk about any of the others and building 6 also if you want.

    First understand even according to the corrupt 9-11 NIST report they HAD to admit that building 7 fell at free fall speed,(because it did and it’s directly on video so they can’t lie about it). Free fall means it had NO support at all. The rest of the report when they are not stating direct facts is filled with lies.

    From this page

    https://www.nist.gov/topics/disaster-failure-studies/faqs-nist-wtc-7-investigation

    go down some and you get

    “…The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:

    Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
    Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
    Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity…”

    https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/free-fall-acceleration

    [MORE]

    the link above covers this quite well and lots of other evidence about the other buildings.

    They say they did not test for explosives but also say there was none. NIST, can’t sustain this as there are masses of witnesses that saw and or heard explosives.

    There were people in building 7 at the time the first and second towers fell. They were making their way out and and a huge explosion blew them back up the stairwell. One of them, Barry Jennings, worked for the emergency management system of New York city and gave a long interview.

    Here’s his interview.

    Ok I already linked one video with a guy in the building that said there were large explosions. Here’s another by a fire Marshall.

    Fireman retired so now he can talk. He was right next to the building. Says,”…there was an explosion and the building came down…”

    Here’s numerous people saying there were explosives.

    There’s a extremely good video by an engineer about the other buildings.

    On the pipeline
    “Now you’re trying to back up and attack from a different angle. “

    This still sands. This whole thing started when you posited that the reason for the Syrian war was so that a pipeline could driven through Syria.

    He’s deliberately trying to place NEW conditions on the, supposed, truth when in reality he lost two argument with basic facts. One on the basic premise and another on cost estimates. So he piles up a bunch of shit that’s barely related to “pretend” that the shit he piled up to be related is “the answer”. Look at them you can see they are not. None of these really fits his “the reason for the Syrian war was so that a pipeline could driven through Syria”

    In the first place the questions he asked “How do you explain the concommitance”.

    This is a stupid question. How does any of this have anything to do with the fact that they didn’t start the war to build a pipeline through Syria??? Several of these pipelines have nothing to do with Syria. This what I mean when I say he is just throwing shit together.

    Now if he had said that Israel and it’s “lackey” the US tried to stop ANY pipelines from making the Iranians money. Well then he would be correct but that’s not even what we are talking about and is a totally different subject. See how he says,

    “…Everyone with an operationnal brain (that is not you) understand your theory is annihilated because of its impotency to explain any of theses factual concommitances…”

    and yet none of these have anything really to do with starting a war to run a pipeline through Syria. In fact they are actually proving much the opposite, “my point after all”, that they want to attack Iran and Syria by denying them currency from gas production. If “Parisian Guy” is a Hasbara and the Jews are paying him they ought to ask for their money back because far from proving their points he’s fucked up so bad he’s proving mine for me.

    “… if, according to you, it’s the fault of Jews when US meddle in the pipelines going from ME to Europa, you must obviously make the same prosecution when US try anything it could to block the NordStream2 pipeline through the Baltic Sea. Correct?…”

    Much more of his stupidity in the same vein. His tactic is to spread confusion by first, going off on a point that has nothing to do with the original idea he proposed. He of course stopped pushing that one because it made him look so stupid. Next he conflates two totally separate issues.

    1. One the Israelis and the US wish to stop Iran from getting revenue from their gas fields and

    2. The US wants to keep Europe from becoming totally reliant on Russia for gas [good luck with that US. The Russians have too much gas at too cheap a price to stop it.]

    3. The gas comes from different places imbecile.

    “…you would have understood your theory was annihilated as soon as you could not answer my question….”

    My point was very simple. Israel wants to attack a certain set of countries, wrote up a position paper naming them and the follow through was 9-11 and all of these countries named have been attacked with various levels of success.

    Now look at all the various mish mash of shit he has thrown together below compared to that simple, and easily proven, by looking at the facts, supposition of mine.

    “…How is it that the US pressure [about pipeline] was just one year before the Civil War. How do you explain the concommitance?
    – How is it that this pipeline [Iran-Iraq-Syria_pipeline]was just near the beginning of building, when the Civil War started? How do you explain the concommitance?
    – you see that this project [Qatar_Turkey_pipeline] was dicussed for 2 years just before the civil War. How do you explain the concommitance?
    – if, according to you, it’s the fault of Jews when US meddle in the pipelines going from ME to Europa, you must obviously make the same prosecution when US try anything it could to block the NordStream2 pipeline through the Baltic Sea. Correct?
    –How is it that each country which had a stake in one or several of these competing projects, has been involved in the war?
    –How is it that no other country (uninvolved in pipeline project) messed in Syria?
    –tell me about how Israel commanded Qatar and Turkey to get involved? Is Erdogan also a crypto-Jew? Is the Qatar Emir a crypto-Jew?…”

    Some of these have barely anything to do with anything much less with a war being started in Syria for a pipeline. That there are lots of reasons that countries surrounding Syria want to attack Assad has nothing to do with starting a war to run a pipeline.

    “…In truth, your IQ has nothing exceptionnal…”

    That’s what’s really, really so bad is that I’m no genius. You’re just soooooo stupid. You can barely string a coherent thought together.

    This is of course just another reason we should get rid of the Jews. They proclaim themselves such brilliant geniuses, and some are smart, but in reality most have shit for brains like Parisian Guy and babble like Negros. Lots of sound and fury but…no sense at all. Jabber, Jabber, Jabber.

    You ever thought about going into the Rap field Parisian Guy??? Lot of jabbering there.

    Sense I’m so helpful you could start with,

    my pipeline
    my pipeline
    my dick
    my dick
    get that Syria
    get that Syria
    my dick
    my dick

    …you get the idea. This would be very much your speed.
    I’m sure you would be very successful selling this stuff to Negros but selling your silly assed pipeline ideas, not so much.

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  352. @Sam J.

    You just don’t understand. Please go back to college in some sciences or technics. Then learn how probability are used to validate or falsify an hypothesis. It is basic education. Then, and only then, you’ll be able to understand that:

    There are too many concommitances or correlations about pipelines. They can’t be explained by the effect of random contingency, because the probability of all them happening would be near zero. Nevertheless your theory implies this improbable explanation, since you provided no other. Then your theory is highly improbable.

    Here is food for your thoughts:
    Let’s say someone wins, ten times in a row, the “Big Lotto”. Would you think that “effect of randomness” is a plausible explanation? Or do you conclude that a hidden rational is a more plausible explanation?

    About WTC7, my question was only about Jewish management of WTC7. You told that. I asked details about. You did a lot to pretend, nevertheless you did not delivered on-the-topic. Therefore, I was wise to not invest myself in searching after infos about your unsubstantiated claim.

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    , @Sam J.
  353. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…You just don’t understand. Please go back to college in some sciences or technics. Then learn how probability are used to validate or falsify an hypothesis. It is basic education. Then, and only then, you’ll be able to understand that…”

    You of course show that you have completely lost. You have nothing but name calling left. The last psychobabble throw together every pipeline you could find shows you were in trouble now you’ve thrown in the towel and only have name calling left.

    “…About WTC7, my question was only about Jewish management of WTC7…”

    It’s common knowledge Larry Silverstein owned the whole WTC complex including WTC7. You can”t say you looked at WTC 1 and 2, which you said, and not know this without being seen as an idiot.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  354. @Sam J.

    It’s common knowledge Larry Silverstein owned the whole WTC complex

    As usually, you did a lazzy work. Silverstein did not own the whole WTC. Furthermore, you were not able to bring a strong proof with your youtube. He don’t say he was the owner. It is only a strong clue, but not a proof. The answers are in the wiki about Silverstein.

  355. Sam J. says:
    @Parisian Guy

    “…Here is food for your thoughts:
    Let’s say someone wins, ten times in a row, the “Big Lotto”. Would you think that “effect of randomness” is a plausible explanation? Or do you conclude that a hidden rational is a more plausible explanation?…”

    It means the Jews run the Lotto and they are cheating everyone like they always do. That is most likely a fact because some have actually won several lottos. Someone even won the lotto at Epstein’s child raping ranch. What you want to bet the money went to Epstein???

    Of course as always happens the Jews corrupt the lotto, like everything, and will eventually drive it into the ground. Just like everything else they do it turns to shit. Everything the Jews touch turns to shit. Even Israel itself. They’ve acted so psychopathic to everyone around them that the have imperiled their own existence. Don’t think others haven’t noticed the Ukrainian take over swindle to find a safe landing since Hezbollah kicked the Jews ass in the last skirmish. There’s also a whole lot of Jews roaming around South America trying their best to find somewhere, anywhere to run from the mess the Jews have made of everything.

    This won’t work though since nothing every changes for the “turn everything to shit people” the Jews. They’ll just turn everything to shit where they go and unfortunately for the Jews we now have world wide communications. Before the Jews could lie and say,”We left because those people abused us poor little Jews”, but anyone can see these days that that’s a pack of lies and the first time they start turning on the psychopathic shit, as they do everywhere, they will throw the Jews out FAST.

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